Talk:List of tomboys in fiction

message: I've been told that Makoto was a girly-girl in the manga, where as Minako was the tomboy.
===Appearance and behaviour===
Makoto is tomboy in appearance: she is very tall, have a lot of strength and can be very rude. But her hobbies are those of a housewife.
Minako has a very feminine appearance, but her hobbies and her behaviour are those of a boy. I think you are right and she is the real tomboy.
(please note that I don't believe that hobbies, or even the behaviour, are either male or female, I tell how it is shown in the manga). 
--83.57.207.57 (talk) 09:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sailor Jupiter or Sailor Venus

message: Makoto is tomboy in appearance: she is very tall, have a lot of strength and can be very rude. But her hobbies are those of a housewife.
Minako has a very feminine appearance, but her hobbies and her behaviour are those of a boy. I think you are right and she is the real tomboy.
(please note that I don't believe that hobbies, or even the behaviour, are either male or female, I tell how it is shown in the manga). 
--83.57.207.57 (talk) 09:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearance and behaviour

message: I am not agree that all those girls are tomboys only because they fight. The only real tomboy would be Videl, and maybe "evil" Lunch.
*Chichi: when she is young, her only aspiration is to marry with Goku. After, she is a protective mother.
*A18: she fights because she is built to do so, but she likes fashion above all (the androids lose a lot of time just because she wanted to "buy" new clothes). 
*Zangya: do we know enough of her?
*Seripa: could be, but Seripa is the only female saiyan model we have so we must think that she follow the tradtional female role in the saiyan race.
*Pan: she is too young to have gender differences (in the GT, she could be identified as tomboy).
--83.57.207.57 (talk) 09:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dragonball

message: Sakura, Ino, and Temari aren't tomboys.They all wear feminine clothing. Sakura and Ino are both highly concerned with their appearance and boys; stereotypical 'girlish' behaviour. Temari is also quite feminine. 
The only thing that could be considered boyish about them is the fact that they're ninja, and Sakura has been shown to be rather aggressive at moments (However, even then Sakura usually gets aggressive over pretty 'girlish' things, like being told she's ugly and being interrupted while flirting with the object of her affections). 
I'm removing them from the list again, and if someone doesn't agree, please explain why you think they're tomboys (Specifically you, Georgiacatcrimson, since you keep reverting my edits without an explanation). JadziaLover (talk) 22:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry,but those naruto characters aren't in list of notable tomboys in fiction .but they are in the arkticle otenba .and otenba actually means a girl that could be less or more mannish than a tomboy .sakura ,temari and ino are less mannish than an "american tomboy".that's why the person who had added them only adds them in otenba and not in list of notable tomboys in fiction .but somebody (everybody,actually) had miistaked otenba as tomboy,and put them in the list
 The same goes for Lyra Silvertongue, elsewhere the character is described as especially not-tomboyish (like "finally a real girl in fantasy!"), she too only wears female clothing; but she is the leader of a gang of children (mostly boys), hmm.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.54.231 (talk) 22:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naruto 

message: Shouldn't Scout from Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird be included in this list?  She didn't wear dresses or traditionally female clothing and she often beat up boys at her school.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.206.128 (talk) 02:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jean Louise "Scout" Finch 

message: I reverted to the last decent version. There has been alot of screwing around with the article that isnt helpful. Work from here with regards to finding citations. Some of which were deleted by vandalism some time ago. There is no need to remove content minutes after it has been tagged. As this can be considered a navigational list, entries with articles that cover the topic do not really need sourcing. --neonwhite  user page talk 14:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Reintroducing unsourced original-research material that was previously deleted under general concensus strikes me as being a retrograde step. I strongly disagree with the statement that "entries with articles that cover the topic do not really need sourcing". My view is that entries without verifiable references explicitly describing the characters as "tomboys" can only be described as original research, and thus do not belong here. --DAJF (talk) 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Note also that your (User:Neon white) reverts actually removed valid references, and also undid the work of other editors to put entries in alphabetical order. --DAJF (talk) 23:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Citated entires have been removed with no valid reason. Navigational lists don't need complete sourcing if the article the entry links to clearly defines it then that is usually ok. Obviously they need to be checked but i've added the ones i've found so far. Many may turn out to be incorrect but the wholesale removal of content without any attempt to find sources or check them is not helpful and damages the article. Common sense is applicable here. If characters fit the stated criteria then they should be acceptable. Fact tags are added to give editors chance to provide sources, they arent there to indicate immediate deletion. There is no consensus to remove anything here. The article currectly is an absolute mess and was far more useful previously. I remind editors to avoid Wikipedia:Wikilawyering and remember that writing a good article is the goal here. --neonwhite  user page talk 17:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts 

message: To discuss whether you support or oppose a merger of this article into Tomboy please discuss it on that articles talk page Talk:Tomboy. --Magnetawan (talk) 16:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This should be discussed on the Tomboy talk page.  This article has been listed for deletion 3 times (by me most recently), and the consensus is very much against deletion. -- Mark Chovain 06:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge this article into [[Tomboy]] 

message: Does anyone remember that movie? I distinctly remember her character being a tomboy to the max  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.73.128 (talk) 07:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winona Ryders character in Roxy Carmichael 

message: We should add Toph, she is also a tomboy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 (talk) 01:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: you're right,we should add toph but Mr.Huggles keeps reverting my edits.--Revim (talk) 09:36, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But you will need to search for reliable sources,too--Pinballistics (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toph 

message: oh, come on,wikipedia has aneutral point of view, and also, those people who refers them as tomboys are also humans.--Pinballism (talk) 15:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable tomboys 

message: I added Princess Zelda. Not sure if other wikia sites are 'legit' references, but it is true. 24.164.157.113 (talk) 06:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Princess Zelda

message: I don't have any refrences to point to, but Makoto Kikuchi from The Idolmaster is an undoubtable tomboy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.66.20 (talk) 00:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Without a reliable source, she isn't - SummerPhD (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Makoto Kikuchi

message: Tomboyism is the best kind of femaninity.
*Agressive & destructive behavior.
*When she acts femenine, she creeps people out.
*The "femeninity" article says "submisive, gentle, patient, & kind." Lina is none of those.
*Many men are terrified of her reputation.
*Not really emotional & romantic, she even explained in Slayers: Knight of the Aqualord how she doesn't see her & Gourry having any other kind of relationship.
*While she does get flustered by flirtation, seconds latter she reacts negatively by punching the closest guy.
*Her bodyguard Gourry isn't nessesary. He's a friendly tag-along. She has her own sword.
*She's the one who ends up saving someone in the end but never needs to be saved herself.
*She wears pants.
*Femanine women like Naaga piss her off.
*While Amelia loves to get involed in other people's melodrama, it sickens Lina.
*Sometimes she makes her male friends wear women's clothing.
*She is the leader who makes the decisions, period.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 11:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That really helps this article.--Johnny 42 (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lina Inverse. 

message: Aile and Ashe are tomboys because it says so in the japanese bio.--190.82.175.10 (talk) 13:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Megaman ZX 

message: Runo is a tomboy 'cause she plays with boys.--190.82.175.10 (talk) 13:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bakugan Battle Brawlers 

message: Buttercup is a tomboy 'cause she likes to fight, getting dirty, rude games and hates girly stuff like ponies.--190.82.162.89 (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powerpuff Girls 

message: Kaoru is more tomboy 'cause she likes to wear clothes that make her look like a boy, ride skateboard, is good in sports and hates dresses and skirts. Kaoru also uses "Ore" which is a male first-person pronoun.--190.82.162.89 (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powerpuff Girls Z 

message: Misty is a tomboy, her japanese leader title tomboy mermaid and in the japanese version of the anime in episode 18 she calls her self like that, though she likes romantic stuff.
Anabel is kinda a tomboy, she uses "Boku" to refer herself, "Boku" is a first-person pronoun just for males and she wears boy clothes.
Zoey is kinda a tomboy 'cause she wears suits instead of dresses in the contests.
Angie is a tomboy 'cause she uses the first-person pronoun "Oira" which is for males, she speaks like a boy ending her sentences with "Ze" "Zo" and "Na" in the japanese version.
Melody is a tomboy too by her personality and in Pokeani in her personality and characteristics says tomboy in japanese.--190.82.175.10 (talk) 13:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Zoey and Angie definitely are, but Misty isn't. What kind of a tomboy wears midriffs? I know her title is, "The Tomboyish Mermaid", but that's just baloney. I'm a tomboy, and hate it when people do that. 75.0.178.10 (talk) 00:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless a reliable source says they are tomboys, they are not tomboys. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pokémon 

message: Rika is quite of a tomboy 'cause she wears very boyish clothes and hates to wear dresses for her mother--190.82.162.89 (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digimon 

message: I've had to remove:
* Aile and Ashe from Megaman ZX  - Ashe is sourced to a Wiki (thus not reliable), Aile is sourced to a review which seems to be without editorial control, and doesn't seem to be reliable.
* Ann and Nami from Harvest Moon  - Nami is sourced to a wiki, Ann to a comment in the tips section.
* Haruka Tenoh from Sailor Moon  - sourced to a wiki (strictly speaking, a repost of Wikipedia's Haruka Tenoh article)
* Misty from Pokémon  - sourced to a wiki (Bulbapedia)
* Rika Nonaka from Digimon Tamers  - seems to be a self-published fansite
* Sora Takenouchi from Digimon Adventure - seems to be a self-published fansite
* Karin Kurosaki, Kūkaku Shiba, Soifon and Rukia Kuchiki from Bleach  - there's an ok source for Tatsuki Arisawa, but the others are sourced to wikis and a blog.
* Tia from Zatch Bell!  - Wikipedia mirror
* Toph Bei Fong from Avatar: The Last Airbender  - discussion forum
* Videl and Pan from Dragon Ball  - Self-published FAQ for Videl (although that one doesn't seem to far off being reliable), and wiki for Pan
* Winry Rockbell and Clause from  Fullmetal Alchemist  - fansites
* Yuuko Atoda from Ah My Buddha  - apparent wiki
I have no problem in principle with these characters, but for this article we need to stick to reliable sources. I've looked for acceptable sources for all of them and wasn't able to find one, (where I did I added it to those that remain), but hopefully someone else can do better and find reliable sources so we can add them back. - Bilby (talk) 00:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removals 

message: I figured that she's not a tomboy, but she uses boku.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by APR76 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayu Tsukimiya... 

message: Sally's a tomboy 'cause she fights and is not afraid to get dirty, she's even called "tomboy princess". Bunnie Rabbot, Julie-Su and Belle D'Coolette are tomboys too--190.82.187.167 (talk) 14:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic 

message: the tags with links in japanese clearly had the word tomboy, therefore they should be put back190.82.156.108 (talk) 14:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed tags 

message: Holly Jones (from Heilein's "Menace from Earth") is surely not a tomboy. As far as I can see there is nothing internal to the story that suggests she displays anything other than fairly normal female characteristics. She doesn't *look* like a tomboy, she says "I'm very intelligent but it doesn't show, because I look like an underdone angel. Insipid." The fact that she is intelligent and wants to be an engineer is hardly tomboy behaviour - at least not in the context of the future Luna society described. Her mother is a mathematical chemist after all. If this page is just going to be a list of women with generally independent outlooks who form the central character of stories, then its going to be much longer and not much use. Francis Davey (talk) 19:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The only source given for that one was the story itself, which does not directly say she is a tomboy. I've removed it as original research/unsourced. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:16, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holly Jones 

message: I seemed to have noticed a somewhat glaring omission from the list. What about Punky Brewster? At least in the first two seasons, she wasn't exactly a girly girl and there are a number of episodes where, to paraphrase, Henry even says he'd prefer Punky to be more of a young lady than a tomboy. In fact the second season episode "Girls Will Be Boys", where Punky takes an interest in radio controlled cars, actually confronts conventional gender roles. Did she not make the list because her character got a little more girly in the last two seasons? Just wondering.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.208.206 (talk) 19:15, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So far, she hasn't "made the list" because no one has presented a reliable source referring to her as a tomboy. Got one? - SummerPhD (talk) 20:43, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Added. 2601:9:4301:EFA0:F59C:BE15:1707:FF88 (talk) 18:44, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punky Brewster 

message: Would she count as a TB? I'm not sure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny 42 (talk • contribs) 12:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If a reliable source calls her a tomboy, she would count. Otherwise, no. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ginny Weasly 

message: Would Gaz of Invader Zim be considered a tomboy? I'd say she could. She was a very straight faced, menacing, assertive little girl who was never shown to have any girly characteristics or interests. She reveled in playing gory video games and beat her brother up on an almost regular basis. The only thing remotely girly about her I can think of is the fact that she wore a dress. Attitude and interest wise however, she was very tomboyish. In one episode she was even mistaken as a boy by Zim's robot mother (although, to be fair, his robot parents weren't the brightest.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.18.105.21 (talk) 01:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If a reliable source calls her a tomboy, she would count. Otherwise, no. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:08, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaz of Invader Zim 

message: I was just wondering if she counts as a Tomboy or not; I mean, even her page says she does, but I don't see any reliable sources there. Somebody could kindly either fix that page or place her name on this one, finding any appropriate sources along the way. 79.41.64.44 (talk) 19:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seras Victoria - Hellsing 

message: Her description is literally: "The Tomboyish Mermaid!"
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Misty
I could add her, but I don't know what source I should link to.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickvang7 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You would need to find a reliable source saying that she is a tomboy. Bulbapedia is a user created site and not useful here. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:45, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  http://i.imgur.com/gbgWsXC.jpg?1 From my own Pokémon LeafGreen Version, on my own Nintendo DS Lite, taken with my own camera by me and uploaded by me on my own laptop with my own wi-fi to my own imgur.com album. By the law of physics I can't get it anymore reliable than that. Nickvang7 (talk) 15:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misty from Pokémon 

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message: Seems enough content for populating a category here, with this list as main article. Anything with a decent source I will add. ScratchMarshall (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: Dot Hugson is a tomboy, Leslie McGroarty is a tomboy, Amy Rose is a tomboy, Maya the Bee is a tomboy, Lori Loud, Luna Loud, Luan Loud, Lana Loud, Lynn Loud Jr. and Ronnie Anne are tomboys, Asuka Langley Soryu is a tomboy, Eiko Magami is a tomboy, Sakura Kinomoto is a tomboy, Usagi Tsukino, Minako Aino, Rei Hino, Makoto Kino and Haruka Tenoh are tomboys, Betty Barret is a tomboy, Princess Daisy is a tomboy, SOME OF THESE ARE TOMBOYS!!!!!! We do NOT put "Do not add entries without reliable reference sources, otherwise they will be deleted." in the first place! That is totally impossible! 207.225.26.200 (talk) 00:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: All material must be attributable to reliable, published sources. See WP:VERIFY. Rupert Loup (talk) 01:29, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Several fictional tomboys

message: Hello all! I was looking at the literature section of this article, and I'm glad that @User:Kaldari put that in place back in April. I'd like to purpose that the other sections, "Film," "Television," "Anime and manga," "Comics," "Video games," and "Other" can be put into tables. I'd love to hear some comments from @User: Harbour Porpoise9, @User:Cyberfan195, and anyone else who wants to participate, just choosing some names from the current round of editors of this page. Thanks! --Historyday01 (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be awesome. Kaldari (talk) 19:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! I'll give it a day or so, and see if anyone else responds, then put the changes into effect. Historyday01 (talk) 19:36, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wow! Nice work! Kaldari (talk) 22:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I think it looks really great. --Historyday01 (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Considering new organization for the page