Talk:Gourgen Yanikian

message: There is a user who keeps reverting everything i edit. Can this user explain me why this person should not be listed as "Murderer", although the article itself says that he indeed is one? Does killing a turks does not make you murderer, am i supposed to understand this? XmuratX (talk) 10:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Murderer 

message: There continues to be some conflict regarding the content of this page.  I would like to spell out some reasons why Andranikpasha's edits are as unacceptable as they are persistent.  
*Weasel words which promote an ultranationalist agenda:  phrases such as "Armenians hoped..." stand out as ridiculous, as Armenians are individuals and not a monolithic collective.  "Yanikian became a symbol to many Armenians of their resentment" surely makes sense to the editor and is consistent with his political views, but it is uncited and would be just as true if it stated precisely the opposite of what it states.  Also, "marauding Turks" seems to be a dehumanizing shot at the modern Turkish people.
*Faulty citation:  The New York Times article reports that Yanikian killed "two men", but this editor continues to reassert that Yanikian referred to them as "two evils".  The article is easily accessible and it does not say what the editor is using it to cite.
*The story about the DA and Aram Saroyan seems not to warrant mention, and is uncited.  Likewise I'd quite like to drop the quotation about "desecrate my invisible existence", because while it may seem eloquent to a non-native English speaker, it is IMHO a jarring affront to the English language which adds no content.
*POV detail:  wording such as he "lured" the men out, or he "sat calmly", these are not neutral and seem to represent a preferred mythology rather than a cited and serious retelling of the events.
These concerns, and the editor's interference, are particularly troubling given the prescient quotation from Khachig Tololyan at the end of the piece.  Yanikian appears to be sick and crazy according to all citations, but clever and a hero according to Andranikpasha.  Let's try not to "blur history, context, and nuance" where two innocent people have been murdered pointlessly.  DBaba (talk) 16:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The material is sourced and cited (see the text). what you're adding is a turkish pov and genocide denial. Do it in turkish wiki, till you have this opportunity, but I suggest you - ITS TIME TO CHANGE, TO RECOGNIZE THE BLOODY AND ANTIHUMANIST PAST OF TURKEY! Andranikpasha (talk) 10:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not denying the Armenian Genocide.  On the contrary, I objected to your own seeming "Turkishness":  your persistent obsession with a nationalistic narrative at odds with moral (and NPOV) reality.  But I wish you and your ideological kin well.  DBaba (talk) 06:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content conflict and turkish denial of genocide

message: This article: The person (Armenian) has killed two Turks. Motive: "Revenge" (Massacres of  Ottoman Armenians.)
Article Ramil Safarov: The person (Azeri, i.e. Turkic) has killed one Armenian. Motive: "Ethnic hatred". (Massacres of Azeris by Armenians)
Both persons have killed for "revenge" of massacres against their people or both have killed for "ethnic hatred". Why do we have motive "revenge" in one article and "ethnic hatred" in the other? Do we have double standards in Wikipedia? I request serious comments, please... --E4024 (talk) 15:33, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you ask Esc2003. George Spurlin (talk) 15:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

text: I am asking the WP community. --E4024 (talk) 15:44, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motive: Double standards? 

message: Read the section 3.1.1. in Article Ramil Safarov. As long as there are people who make heros out of assassins, there will be more and more assassins. Here in WP we should treat all the assassins with the same approach. (See above talk.) --E4024 (talk) 16:05, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killers made heros