Talk:The Family of Blood

message: I've altered the wording about the Doctor's "romantic liaison" in this episode, because David Tennant has been very careful about his words in describing the supposed wedding.  If you've read the novel version of Human Nature, you'll understand why — in the novel, the Doctor (temporarily) changes his biodata (incorporating his entire history and identity as well as biology), to become a human being named John Smith.  In the novel, John Smith becomes engaged — it would seem that the television version takes things one step further.  But in both the novel and the television story, "John Smith" is not really the Doctor — he's just a human whom the Doctor has become.  (You saw the clip of Tennant saying "I'm not the Doctor" in the preview.)  So although John Smith will get married, the Doctor won't — at least, not exactly.
So we should avoid saying that the Doctor has a romantic liaison in this story — although he "doesn't not", he's literally not himself at the time. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 08:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "He doesn't not get married" 

message: was I the only one who got the impression that the trailer was some sort of dream sequence (which would mean there's no marriage, kids, or suchlike)? After all, he hardly has time to get married with the Family of Blood on the loose.
Hear hear. And I just don't think that they would do that to us!! Dan-the-man278 08:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  trailer at the end of Human Nature 

message: * :Image:The whole Family of Blood.jpg: The entire "Family of Blood" in their current adopted form.
* :Image:Army of scarecrows.jpg The family of blood and the amazing army of scarecrows.
Since we saw this image in the trailer from "Human Nature", I'm gonna go out on a limb and presume it's from this episode. Took a cap, uploaded, added, put in an appropriate quote from the episode. If anyone has a better suggestion for the pic and/or quote then I'm all ears.
:Personaly, I think the the "fire and ice..." quote and image would be better. 77.99.107.117 21:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the 'whole family' picture better: The "Fire and ice" quote is nice but there is not a really good shot of that besides a shot from the bewildered doctor. At least not one that defines this episode. --Puppy Zwolle (Puppy) 09:14, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There's no scarecrow in that one and it's ruined by the green. Matthew 09:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are so right on the scarecrows...Will make a new one asap.(Army of scarecrows picture on top.)--Puppy Zwolle (Puppy) 00:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Does anyone with more knowledge than me know how to tidy the other uses template to just read Family Of Blood, as List of Doctor Who villains#Family Of blood seems rather messy to me, but i dont know how to fix it. Thanks Willow177 12:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should read "see List of Doctor Who villains" (linking to the Family of Blood section). — AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 13:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Of Blood Redirect 

message: I'm a bit confused why there is a quote section. Is it this really necessary to include random quotes from the episode here? Wouldn't that be better in the wikiquotes page, or integrated into the article if really needed? Helen Murdock 00:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It indeed is in Wikiquotes and up to date so it seems. One quote for flavor and a link should do it. --Puppy Zwolle (Puppy) 09:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: If this LiveJournal post  is to be believed, it's the same as was used for the possessed girl in that episode. 
86.143.52.241 01:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's been pointed out for Human Nature too. Will (talk) 01:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music from Remembrance of the Daleks 

message: This happened before albeit in a vey dissimilar sircumstance in The Girl in the Fireplace. And the reference to Alice in wonderland or better Through the Looking-Glass is obvious...Nothing to back it up though so not for the main article.--Puppy Zwolle (Puppy) 09:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Girl in the mirror 

message: I don't often go all fannish and gibbering, but wow, this was an absolutely brilliant story. --Tony Sidaway 00:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fan gibbering

message: St Fagan's or Cardiff I assume, but I need a better lead.  There seem to be cadets with Welch Fusiliers flashes in the background.  Neddyseagoon - talk 14:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For some reason, I assumed it was intended to be outside the school. HooperX 12:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the war memorial 

message: After today's sequence of edits, we've finished up with a section called 'Christianity and worship'.  I can't help but feel that something's gone terribly wrong.  Mark H Wilkinson 18:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was me, and I agree. However, it's worth mentioning that the poem, Bible and song weren't created specially for Doctor Who, and that they are real-world things. I can't think of a better section title; if you can, feel free to use it.--Rambutan (talk) 18:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  'Outside references'?  'Real world things which got used'?  Nah, I'm stumped for the time being.  I chose 'Cultural references' in the first place because, well, it seems to have been used elsewhere as a catch-all for things not of in-universe continuity; but I can understand it's not necessarily that good a choice. Mark H Wilkinson 18:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The problem is, the word "references" implies that Paul Cornell was deliberately referencing the hymn for some reason (eg. last year, in The Impossible Planet, a piece of music was played which was the piece to which to ice-skaters got full marks in a contest - 6, 6 and 6 from each judge. See Number of the Beast.) That was a reference, but these aren't. Since they're all connected, by coincidence, to  Christianity, I thought, why not?--Rambutan (talk) 18:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  To be honest, my actual preference is to yank the section and put the mention of Cornell & female vicars somewhere else (production?). Mark H Wilkinson 10:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Sure - if it fits in OK!--Rambutan (talk) 10:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, unless anyone has objections about losing this section, I'll remove and redistribute what I can, some time tomorrow (afternoonish GMT should give people time to comment if they need to).  Mark H Wilkinson 21:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christianity and worship 

message: I've seen the fact that dwarf star alloy was first mentioned in Warrior's Gate added to the continuity section at least twice now.  People seem to be getting this from the episode's Fact File at the BBC site , which would be fine were it not for the episode itself only mentioning "unbreakable chains, forged in the heart of a dwarf star"; I'm not sure we can make the leap that it's necessarily the same material.  (And quite frankly, it underlines my concerns over using the Fact File as a source in the first place.)  Mark H Wilkinson 23:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact File/Dwarf Star Alloy 

message: Who played this part... and how old is the actor? 86.143.50.151 03:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was played by Huw Rees, and he's been an extra for Welsh soap Pobol y Cwm a fair few times, which is also based in Cardiff's BBC Wales.  He's around 75 years old, although this is original research, since my parents know him - there won't be any citations for this, so it can't be used.  Steffan Alun 08:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you get an exact date from your parents, submit it to IMDB, then throw it up here.  Easy. HooperX 13:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's not a professional actor by any stretch of the imagination.  He just does some extra work every now and then.  Besides, it's my understanding that IMDB isn't considered a reliable source.  And even if it WAS, I don't really think the question of Older Tim's age is that particularly notable.  And again, even if it was, Huw Rees would have been too young to fight in World War Two, let alone World War One, so if Old Tim is the same age, that service must have occurred in the late 70s at the latest.  Steffan Alun 15:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Old Tim Latimer" actor? 

message: Why are the individual Family members being referred to as "Son Of Mine" and "Mother Of Mine" in a third-person article? This is how they refer to their relationships with each other, in the first person: it's not their actual names. Surely the article should refer to them as "Son" and "Mother"? Ed zeppelin 19:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's how they name each other, there can be no ambiguity if they're referred to like they state. Matthew 19:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Precisely my point - it's how they name each other. Lack of ambiguity through being distinctive isn't the point; the names require the context of a first person direct relationship to make grammatical sense. Ed zeppelin 19:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They name the other members relative to themselves - Lucy is referred to as "Daughter of Mine" by Clark and "Sister of Mine" by Baines. Will (talk) 19:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this has been bothering me as well. Calling "Baines" Son of Mine is like calling Charlie Brown "Big Brother" on Wikipedia because that's what Sally calls him. I notice that the BBC material calls them by their human names, but in quotation marks to distinguish them from their victims. I don't see a perfect answer to the problem, though.  Each clearly has its drawbacks. -- Karen | Talk | contribs 19:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persons 

message: As there's been some commentary on various parts of score for this epsiode, I'm curious whether anyone else detected allusions to Journey of the Sorcerer at a couple of points in the second half.  Asat 08:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't, no, but even if we did, it's still original research to mention it.--Rambutan (talk) 08:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music from elsewhere? 

message: Article needs a critical reception section.  As well as AI rating (86), this might include
* Charlie Brooker, The Guardian: "a stellar home run" 
* Mark Wright, The Stage: review 
* Digital Spy Top 20 TV Series of 2007: "Creatively, Who enjoyed one of its best series to date, headlined by Paul Cornell's stunning two-parter 'Human Nature' / 'The Family of Blood'". 
more needed.  Jheald (talk) 16:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Stage  --Jenny 19:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical reception 

message: Shouldn't the Doctor's fiancee Joan Redfern get an article? She showed up in two episodes, while his daughter, Jenny (Doctor Who) has only appeared in one, but has an article. His wife River Song (Doctor Who) has an article. 76.66.195.159 (talk) 07:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: She wasn't the Doctor's fiancee.  She was John Smith's love, similar to how Reinette was the Doctor's love in The Girl in the Fireplace.  As to whether or not she deserves an article of her own...not my place to say because I don't mind one way or the other. DonQuixote (talk) 12:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matron 

message: "What do you know of history" is a quote from Jack London's 1899 The Editor. The Editor was also a villain in The Long Game, played by Simon Pegg.
Tenuous connection, if any, to The Long Game, as the details are wrong. The JL quote comes from his essay "On the Writer's Philosophy of Life", published in a NY magazine called The Editor. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 12:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Editor

message: Did it ever appear to anyone that the markings on the back of the fob watch, which the doctor uses to store his identity while being human, are exactly the same as a prophecy given by a phrophetess of the Timelords in The End of Time? 
During The End of Time one of the members of the 'Timelord council' picks up this prophecy and explains it to the president. He says that it's hard to decipher it, but that it states that there will be two survivors of the time war.
Maybe it's a very little detail, but it could be added to the paragraph continuity...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.205.57.153 (talk) 19:54, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  markings on the back of the fob watch 

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