Talk:Shifu

message: I am doing research on kungfu disciple ceremonies, but have not found any pages describing the traditional ceremony, the steps, and the purpose/meaning behind each one.  If anyone can direct me to a website that can provide a detailed description of the ceremony, I'd greatly appreciate it.  If they are really keen, they can transcribe it over to Wikipedia :) JJJ 20:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disciple Ceremonies 

message: Hi everyone, how do I go about requesting a page to be written?  I am looking for some insights on a concrete definition of a 'kungfu master', and how does one become a master.  Has anyone come across such documents or can write about it?  My curiousity arises from the frustration that anyone these days claim to be a 'master', but I believe only a fraction of those deserve to have that title.  What are the qualifications and is there a governing body that certifies masters? JJJ 20:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize your message is some years old, but I hope I can help.  You've pointed out the crux of the issue, though.  Some martial arts have governing bodies that may have standards for who is called "master," while others do not.  Meanwhile, "kung fu" is itself an extremely broad term; in the English-speaking world, it typically means any Chinese martial art.  But again, the problem becomes that anyone can call themselves "master so-and-so," and there's not necessarily any underlying qualifications or regulation there.  So there is no formal or objective definition. this name is also in use 23:26, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Becoming a Master 

message: Are there terms for younger sister or older sister? In Korean wuxia or Korean translations of wuxia, the words samae and sajeo are sometimes used. Kjoonlee 06:25, 2004 Dec 6 (UTC)
:Yes there are. — Instantnood June 29, 2005 07:35 (UTC)
::Well, what are they?
:::Sijia and simui for older and younger sister, respectively. Siku for an aunt. Siku nai nai for an aunt a further generation up. Simo is the sifu's wife. Sichut is anyone a generation lower than oneself. --Fire Star 00:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other related terms

message: Gweipo, Gweimui and Gweijai are all included in the Gweilo artcle. I don't think it's necessary to open new articles for Sigung, Sibak, Sisok, Sihing and Sidai — it's just superfluous. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 30 June 2005 05:43 (UTC)
:You are suggesting that they be merged into one page?--Huaiwei 30 June 2005 08:53 (UTC)
::Very likely... =.= -- Jerry Crimson Mann 1 July 2005 14:13 (UTC)
:::I created these separate pages expecting someone will fill in more contents to make each worth its own article.  I feel that these martial arts school relationships can have much more meaningful contents than just Gweilo, Gweipo, Gweimui and Gweijai.  Your examples are just variations of the same name given to foreign according to their gender, age etc.  However, Sifu, Sigong etc. can be very complex and when you merge them all into one article, it may be very easy to mix up.  For example, Sibak and sisok ("school uncles") are genderless, e.g.  "school sisters" of your "school father" are called "school uncles", not "school aunts".  However, Sihing and Sidai (school brothers) is named different from Simoi (school sisters).  I have no objection if you can merge them neatly without mixing up the family structure. Kowloonese July 1, 2005 22:22 (UTC)
:I think they should all be merged either here, or to a Chinese martial arts school article. 76.66.194.58 (talk) 12:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: These have been merged here. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 13:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: These have now been unmerged.  You can not just merge articles as you see fit, they have to be proposed with a merge tag, etc. And you circumvented the proposed deletion process by doing that, which clearly stated they had until the 4th.  Likewise, the tags called for deletion, expansion, or soft redirects to the Wiktionary entries.  That material is totally out of place here. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 18:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you know how PROD works? PROD says that if you can fix by merging, go ahead and do it. Which I did. See the discussion above here, where it says that this article may be appropriate place to merge them. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 08:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion was from 2005, and no  consensus was demonstrated for merging as per Kowloonese's last statement on the matter.  Its completely out of place to throw all those terms in this article, it would be more appropriate in a general article on Chinese terminology.  Either way, once it was moved to Wiktionary, the proper course is a soft link redirect to the wiktionary page.  I'm quite familiar with how things work here, I've been editing here since June of 2005. And watch the attitude, lest the conversation start to violate WP:Civil. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 15:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundancy

message: Would the fact that Shifu was the name of a featured character in some Stargate episodes (wiki entry as reference) warrant a popular culture mention? --MikeZ (talk) 12:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Culture 

message: The article states: Sifu (Cantonese Chinese) or shifu (Mandarin Chinese) (or shih-fu) is the identical pronunciation of two Chinese terms… "Sifu" and "shifu" aren't "identical" pronunciations, one's pronounced "sifu" and the other's pronounced "shifu". In fact the word "or" says that they're different. So are they "identical" (both sifu or both shifu) or not? 213.122.148.133 (talk) 00:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Google translate, they are shīfu and shīfù so in combination there is no ambiguity either. The article could do with pinyin.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.10.249.211 (talk) 15:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Identical"? 

message: The article lacks a mentioning of the femail variant (Si Mu); maybe a link to a different article, or at least a small paragraph explaining this.  The master's wife should be distinguished from the a female master.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alfe (talk • contribs) 08:42, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, females are also Shifu. You just coined a word mixing Mandarin and Cantonese, very wrong. --2.245.238.184 (talk) 18:13, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Female variant 

message: The Vietnamese article Sư phụ is the equivalent... at vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/sư phụ...
We'll leave this to someone else to add under See also, if desired...
(We're a Vietnamese family... we read the article!)
Best from deep rural northern Thailand,
Ken & Thu Huong & Carlton Phuong Minh
:-)
KenThuHuong (talk) 14:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnamese