Talk:Homeland Security Advisory System

message: Although I am a critic of the terror alert system, lets keep the information here objective and useable. The editorial in the first two sections should be edited or moved. I would do it, but I am not sure how to move anything less than a whole page.--Mirokudesign 05:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retardedity?? 

message: Please see the end HSPD-5 which cleans up some old parts of HSPD-3.
"The Homeland Security Act of 2002 assigned the responsibility for administering the Homeland Security Advisory System to the Secretary of Homeland Security." 
Changes in the alert is made in consultation with others (including Justice and the White House), but is the responsibility of the Secretary.
Other resources:
HSPD-5 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030228-9.html
HSPD-3 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020312-5.html
The Homeland Securiyt Act of 2002 at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:h.r.5005.enr: or http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=46&content=41070.61.22.110 16:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History  

message: What level is this then?
:\sqrt-7 --Carnildo 00:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  For anyone who doesnt know 

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thread_title:  Added HSAS-based template 

message: The whole paragraph about the David Cross joke about the President eating a baby may be amusing, but it doesn't contribute anything useful to the article. It only seems to be there to promote the comedian and/or make the article longer, and the "humor" affects the NPOV of the article.
64.169.12.26 22:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Cross joke amusing but pointless 

message: Is anyone else bothered in an OCD way that it goes yellow blue green?  Is there a source out there that says this isn't the normal way colors are ordered?69.12.143.197 03:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, first off you have to consider the people who designed the system were idiots. Then you have to consider that green and blue are never used because Bush doesn't want people to know that our chances of getting attacked by terrorists is pretty close to 0, because it helps his rating among crazy people. Unfortunately, this has the net effect of everyone else completely ignoring it. It doesn't really matter what order the last two colors are in for that reason. Titanium Dragon 21:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were idiots? So they aren't anymore? And BTW this has already been discussed on this talk page. It's not a rainbow, or hot/cold. The reason why green is below blue is this: green is a universal "OK" symbol; red is a universal "Danger" symbol. -- 12.116.162.162 20:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I agree with your logic. Blue could be said to be a universal "relaxed" symbol, while green is a universal "ready" symbol. Any 4th grade art student can tell you the logical progression (by color order) would be blue, green, yellow, orange, red. The current layot just feels "wrong". But this is all academic because I doubt the threat level will ever be lowered to green, nor do the threat levels really indicate anything meaningful.--Eion 18:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know I'm joining this discussion a year and a half late, but... Green is the most non-threatening color out there, and I don't think anyone will disagree that red is the most threatening. Plus, the most common and well-known color-coding system out there is traffic lights, where green is the "opposite" of red. I see your point, but this way feels much more intuitive to me (that the whole alert system is scaremongering bullshit is another matter). --MQDuck 03:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color order 

message: Is anyone aware of a history of the alert level changes? I can't find anything at the official DHS site, but perhaps some interested observer might have kept track of changes since the system's inception? Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.198.109 (talk) 14:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alert level history 

message: Truth or Terrorism? The Real Story Behind Five Years of High Alerts - which headlines were buried by alerts  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.36.29.71 (talk) 20:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great.  This isn't a discussion about the HSAS.  Go find a form for that. 209.180.155.12 (talk) 13:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alerts and real stories they covered up 

message: Why even have blue and green? It'll never be used. And if it ever is used, it's like saying "hey, our security level is low right now. attack us". Retarded...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.169.123 (talk) 06:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats just unconstructive. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 12:51, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue and Green 

message: I looked for this article to find out what the current threat level is.  But it doesn't say anything about that.  Nor does it mention the September 11th attacks.Abce2 (talk) 16:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It helps if you read..."The system was created by Homeland Security Presidential Directive 3 six months after the terror attacks of September 11, 2001" and "The threat level has stood at Elevated (Yellow) for most of its existence" (25 December 2008 revision). -- 97.113.116.173 (talk) 19:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Umm

message: The article mentions the the history of alerts for yellow, orange, and red but there is no mention of blue or green.  Has the alert system ever gone below yellow?  I've been on many flights since 9/11, and I've never seen it lower than yellow.  In fact, the system seems to hover at orange at all times.  It kind of reduces the credibility of the system in my mind.
: Well, if you look at the history of the alert levels, and don't see blue or green there, it's a good bet that it's never been blue or green. Do people RTFM before asking questions here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.116.173 (talk) 19:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't a discussion about the HSAS.  Please do research or ask questions elsewhere if you want to learn more about it.  Also, other guy, don't bite the newcomers.  RTFM is a bit inflammatory. 209.180.155.12 (talk) 13:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ever Been Lower Than Yellow?

message: I flagged this as incomplete.  It is a hopeless list.  It needs to perhaps include the word "major" and have criteria for being included  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Touchdown Turnaround (talk • contribs) 22:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other terror warnings

message: According to a July 14, 2009, press release from the DHS, the whole system is under review.  Also, this release contains a complete timeline that can be used to confirm and reference the timeline as presented in the article. I include the link below in a convenient cite template for easy insertion into the article by a motivated editor. - Dravecky (talk) 10:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The whole system is under review by DHS 

message: Columbia University academic Brigitte L. Nacos has published a study identifying a correlation between increases in terrorism alert levels and Bush's popularity.http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/41367/, Matthew Stannard, San Francisco Chronicle, September 7, 2006 
The above text was removed from the main page.  There is a study, but the reference link is to an article _about_ the study, rather than the study itself.  I was going to correct the sentence to provide information about the correlation (which is suspected to be cause, and which effect), but it is not possible to do so with any rigor with the reference available.  Given this, this sentence does not add anything useful to the article.  If a proper reference can be added, this is definitely relevant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightsmaiden (talk • contribs) 06:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brigitte L Nacos Study 

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