Talk:Cornell University/Archive 2

message: Any idea why the endowment, and every subsequent piece of information with an endnote, has an endnote reference number that's 2 higher than the actual number of the endnote?  The endowment is listed as endnote #3 but at the bottom it's #1. JDoorjam 17:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that too.  I changed the page with a workaround.  It's a bug either in the ref template (there's a discussion here: Template_talk:Ref#.7B.7Bref.7D.7D_in_image_caption_messes_up_numbering) or possibly even in the MediaWiki software.  Actually, I suspect it's the latter, maybe I'll look into if there's are any related bugs filed for this.  The only workaround I know of is to avoid using s outside of the main text (i.e., in infoboxes, image captions, etc.).  It may also be necessary to override the automatically generated counter for external links. btm 22:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  End note numbering 

message: I don't know when the new president of the university starts, but we should change the page to reflect this.  If known, I'd appreciate someone updating it! Isoxyl 22:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added Skorton as the president-elect to the infobox. btm talk 22:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Isoxyl 13:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New President

message: Proposal: a separate page (linked to from the student life section) for a list/table of student organizations at Cornell.
Possible format:
* Activist Groups
(name/website) (meeting times) (1-line summary / full name)
* Performing Groups
(name/webiste) (upcoming events) (summary)
* Religious Groups
(name/website) (main meeting times) (other events) (summary)
etc.
This could be a good way of keeping an up-to-date list in one place, but I'm not completely certain it fits the goals of Wikipedia, and I don't see any precedent upon a casual skim of other colleges' pages. Comments?
128.253.171.179 01:50, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Student Organizations page 

message: I recently began a page devoted to significant buildings on the Cornell campus as this is a topic of great interest to  me.  Unfortuntely, I have become swamped with work which will consume me for the rest of the semester.  Therefore, I want to alert this page (found here: User:Xtreambar/Temporary).  If you would like to contribute and then make this an official Wikipedia page, feel free.  I am sorry that I do not have time to bring this project into fruition. 
Interested people should probably consult books such as Morris Bishop's "The Cornell Campus" and this website. --Xtreambar 04:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cornell Campus Page

message: I've redone the Cornell template.  Changes are encouraged.--Xtreambar 23:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Cornell" Template

message: If we boiled down the history of Cornell to a few paragraphs, how would we divide them?--Xtreambar 16:48, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cornell history for the main page

message: See Wikipedia:Peer review/Cornell University/archive3.  I disagree with the comment made so far on that page that the intro ought to read like: 
Cornell University is a research university in Ithaca, New York offering both undergraduate and graduate study programmes. It was founded in 1865 by Ezra Cornell and Andrew Dickson White as a coeducational, nonsectarian institution. Its annual research budget is..., and it has campuses ... (in this place and that place), as well as international collaborations with the universities of... It consists of 150 departments offering 80 majors and 5000 courses" etc.
I've always thought the idea that university articles ought to begin with just a run of factoids like this strange.  Well written articles on other subjects aren't usually written like this.  In any case, I'm of the mindset that we should ignore this particular suggestion.  I do think the comment that the article ought to be less congratulatory and more sober a good one.  
For example, in the current intro, I believe we ought to snip most of the last paragraph and just mention the bit about "transnational university".  But I think emphasizing its reason for founding is a far better intro than explaining the size of the research budget and how many departments.  I've never cared too much about that stuff, and I really doubt most readers would find it enjoyable reading.  --C S (Talk) 19:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review 

message: I've done a quick rewrite of the Main Campus section.  See here.  Aside from discussing the surrounding areas, such as gorges, trails, general scenic stuff, and pictures, what else do you think I ought to add before throwing it onto the mainpage?  Comments are useful.  --Xtreambar 00:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cornell Campus

message: Does anyone have a picture of this?--Xtreambar 05:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Weill Cornell Medical College

message: Though I like the idea of being a good article, I do not believe the article fits  all of the criteria .  It fails on the aspects of compelling prose (see numerous lists and sticcato factoids), stable (I, myself, take a fair amount of credit/blame for this one having recently slashed and rewritten the "Main Campus" and "History" sections).  The history section will probably see a major expansion soon as it is still a stub. --Xtreambar 17:20, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "Good Article"

message: We're using both. We should use only one for all of our references so we don't have two different numbered lists in the references section. It gets confusing. -Mercuryboard 04:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fixing this. Half the in-article to footnote and footnote to in-article links are dead. Inline references ensures numbering is automated and consistent, and that removal of a fact also removes the reference. -Mercuryboard 01:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for doing this task!  I know that it is a tedious one.  --Xtreambar 02:27, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References vs. Footnotes 

message: AAP is the only page that does not match the others in terms of article title. I want to fix this, but I need help deleting this redirect so I can move the article (yes, I will clean up all the other redirects and links too once I'm done) Click here and vote delete -Mercuryboard 05:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All done. -Mercuryboard 05:48, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving AAP article... 

message: There is an article Chordials (a co-ed a cappella group at Cornell University).  Knowleadgeable editors should look at it.  Perhaps a AFD or a redirrect/merge is in order.  Jon513 22:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chordials 

message: I hereby declare that the Alumni section is cleaned up.  I took the idea of listing accomplishments from the FA University of Michigan.  I think that this form helps to look at Cornell alumni in a large perspective, crossing the entire history of the university.  I may do a similar change for the faculty section.  I believe that only a few awards of current faculty are necessary to list on the main page.  More important would be achievements by the most notable faculty ever.  For example, Cornell faculty have served as Prime Ministers, wrote X,Y,Z books, etc...  This ought to be in addition to a brief summery of the current faculty. How many, important statistics about them, etc...--Xtreambar 18:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alumni

message: Anyone want to break up the organization of schools into a table with important info such as date of founding, enrollment, and number of faculty?  I might get to this next week, unless someone posts here or messages me with something else, or there is a concensus not to arange the info in this manner.--Xtreambar 19:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would create something like this.  Objections?  --Xtreambar 16:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we need something like this. -Mercuryboard 17:42, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization

message: Does it really need such a large blurb on the main page?  My vote is no.--Xtreambar 16:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not if it's going to have its own article. Either move most of the info to Cornell University Press, or merge that back here with a redirect. Angr (talk • contribs) 17:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cornell Univ Press

message: Does anyone have a good picture of either Collegetown or a particuarlly photogenic fraternity like DKE, for example?--Xtreambar 15:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Collegetown or Fraternities

message: I don't see a need to have a "See also" section with links to Ivy League and Ivy League Business schools.  The Ivy league is right at the top and the business school thing doesn't seem that important.  I will remove this section if there are no objections. Jon Stockton 01:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Second. --Xtreambar 01:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Go ahead.  --C S (Talk) 17:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: See also section

message: Hi everybody --
I'm just getting into the swing of the Commons, and I thought these might be useful for various Cornell-related articles.
Image:Duffield Hall (Cornell University).jpg|Duffield Hall
Image:Engineering sundial (Cornell University).jpg|Engineering quad sundial
Image:Sage Chapel (Cornell University).jpg|Sage chapel with ivy
Image:Cornell University West Campus Sign-summer.JPG|"Cornell University" sign
There will be many more of these to come once I can access them, but only these few (plus a nice one of the colorful blackboard menu at Collegetown Bagels, if anybody wants it) were easily available today.  (I've actually got a pretty substantial photo library here, so feel free to make lists of requests and I'll do my best.)  -- JVinocur 04:48, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice. I incorporated two of those into the Engineering page. Upload what you have and I'm sure people will find uses for them... -Mercuryboard 04:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some photos 

message: I'm curious what other people think about the formatting for Academic Units:  old (bullets) vs new (table).  I definitely like the idea of conserving space, but I'm worried that the new layout could be confusing...the fact that there are two rows with the same number of cells makes my brain try to find meaning in the pairings of corresponding cells in the same rows.  Thoughts? -- JVinocur 04:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we could break it into two separate boxes or something to that effect.  I am trying to reduce the number of lists on the page and saw this section as the one most easilly remedied.--Xtreambar 04:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Such are my attempts User:Xtreambar/CornellSchools --Xtreambar 04:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like User:Xtreambar/CornellSchools#Other attempt at University organization pretty well.  It's reasonably compact, clear, and adapts better than a table to smaller screen widths. -- JVinocur 16:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Any idea how to make the two lists line up next to each other rather have the second one be pushed one line down?--Xtreambar 18:12, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, I almost asked you that.  I just took a look and I think I figured it out what was wrong (hope you don't mind me touching part of your userpage). -- JVinocur 18:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Academic units layout 

message: Am I allowed to use this image? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cornell010 (talk • contribs) 7 May 2006.
:Well, assuming you're not Lee A. Makela (the one who took the picture), you're definitely not allowed to put the  tag on its description page, as you did. In theory, you could use it on this page only under a claim of "fair use", but I don't think that claim would hold, since fair-use photographs have to be of things it would be difficult or impossible to get a free photograph of (dead or reclusive celebrities, for example). Since any Wikipedian in Ithaca who has a camera could take a picture of this building and release it under the GFDL or into the public domain, there's no compelling reason to use this copyrighted image. Angr (talk • contribs) 23:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question about using a picture?

message: I think that the Cornell University Page should be modeled akin to those of Yale, Harvard, Princeton or Dartmouth's pages.  Those pages have everything flowing together more smoothly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cornell010 (talk • contribs) 
:I'm not sure exactly what you mean.  Could you elaborate?  Btw, when you end your posts, please put four tildes at the end, like so: ~~~~  .  That will automatically put your signature at the end of your comment so we know who said what when.  Cheers, JDoorjam     Talk 03:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure either.  Probably, we ought to continue to try to evolve the page so that it looks like University of Michigan, a featured article. --Xtreambar 05:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A new version of the "Cornell" University Page

message: Established
1865
Founder
Ezra Cornell
School type
Private University
President
Hunter R. Rawlings III
Location
Ithaca, NY., USA
Enrollment
13,625 undergraduate   6,674 graduate
Faculty
3,423
Endowment
US $3.847 billion
Campus
Urban area, 745 acres (3.0 km²)
Mascot
Touchdown
Athletics
Ivy League36 varsity teams
 
Website
Cornell.edu
:"Touchdown" is indeed the name of the bear.  However, the bear is only an assumed mascot.  The University has never made it official.  Such is actually the subject of debate on campus presently.--Xtreambar 02:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What about this design

message: Does anyone else think that the reputation section is growing wildly out of control again?  While Cornell boasts mainly laurels, not all of them are (main) article worthy.  --Xtreambar 21:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. It's a pretty important section, maybe we need to compact it a bit.--Cornell010 23:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reputation

message: I think it would be nice to have a section on Cornell's role in furthering equal opportunity for men and women of all races.  While reading this, I found that in mathematics alone, three of the first six American Ph.D.s awarded to women were by Cornell; the first African-American to get a mathematics Ph.D. received it from Cornell .  I think if we dig a bit into other subjects, we'll find similar facts.  It seems to me that this is a significant part of Cornell's history, but it doesn't really flow into the current history section, and is probably deserving of its own section in the main article.  --C S (Talk) 23:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Worth mentioning, yes, but I don't know about its merit in its own main article section. This might best be worked into the new Academic section plan (see above). -Mercuryboard 16:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section on equal opportunity stuff 

message: I take exception to Xtreambar's removing the paragraph about the Cornell safety car (aka the Automotive Crash Injury Research). I'm not sure how the article should organized, but, dammit, I originally put that in because it may well be the single most important thing ever to come out of Cornell. 
I'm serious. 
I'm sure someone has an estimate of the number of lives saved by features designed, and successfully promoted, by that lab. We're currently running about 40,000 fatalities (i.e. one Vietnam-war's-worth) per year. With the car designs of, say, 1952, it would probably be triple that. 
Of course, if Cornell hadn't done it, sooner or later some other lab would have, so total lives saved by Cornell is not as simple as 2 x 40,000 x 50 years, but at the time Cornell's lab was absolutely unique. The automakers were doing zilch about safety. The Cornell safety car got wide press attention. It wasn't just a matter of saying let's make safe cars, Cornell was showing how to do it and making sure everyone who read Popular Mechanix knew that it could be done.
I don't know how long it would have taken without the Cornell lab. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The study desires a line mention among a few lines about notable Cornell research.  It does not deserve a whole paragraph on the main Cornell article.  If you want a large piece about it, write a separate article and then WikiLink it to the Cornell page and visa-versa, because the Cornell Safety Car is certainly WikiWorthy.  On that same note, I think that Cornell spearheading the Mars Rover project is phenominally important.  However, it does not warrant an entire paragraph.  We need one paragraph about Cornell's status as a "research university," how much Cornell invests in research, university research initiatives, and what else the university does to promote research.  Then, we need a second paragraph that notes imporant Cornell research: The Safety Car, the Mars Rover, the Chicken Nugget, the Gene Gun, and a host of other very important Cornell related research projects.--Xtreambar 16:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  The section certainly did not convey adequately to the reader an overview of Cornell's research.  For example Cornell's expended a great deal of time, energy, and money into particle physics; Cornell's cyclotron in the 30s was the 2nd in the U.S. and a number of influential particle physicists (ncluding those tied to the Manhattan project) spend time at Cornell in one way or another, but the previous section gave an impression that Cornell was mostly about car safety, Mars exploration, and Internet development.   --C S (Talk) 16:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: OK. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: (double-take) The Chicken Nugget????? Dpbsmith (talk) 16:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure.  Read about Robert C. Baker,  a Cornell professor who revolutionized the role of chicken in the American diet.--Xtreambar 16:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting!  I don't think I knew that.  I remember there were always plenty of chicken nuggets... I never had this famous Cornell barbeque sauce though, unless they serve it in the dining hall.  --C S (Talk) 19:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cornell safety car 

message: Cornell only has three campuses: Ithaca, NYC, and Qatar.  Everything else is a facility. --Xtreambar 17:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Other Campuses"

message: I am a student at Cornell University currently working on developing a Wiki page for Ithaca Bakeries. I was wondering if you would mind looking over what we had already or would be interested in linking our page to yours. Here is the page under construction now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jrb374/Ithaca_Bakery_and_Collegetown_Bagels --Sckim125 (talk) 20:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: I removed the following statement from the article: "Cornell is one of the most selective schools in the world."  It might be true but it's not supported by any sources.  Such support would have to be quite explicit to support such a strong claim and, of course, such support would have to have a world view and not merely be limited to comparing the university to others in the U.S. ElKevbo (talk) 23:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Admissions selectivity