Talk:Charles K. Kao

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Needham (talk • contribs) 2010-08-15T01:33:54 (UTC)
:article is not protected, so feel free to make any changes yourself. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 06:47, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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message: Kao received BSc and PhD both from University London (more precisely, @ the University of London External System). However, nowadays, few would say "my alma mater is University London External System". Normally biographies trace back to alumni's constituent colleges. 
Such as in the case of this article, Kao's PhD education was from the University College London, though he was an external student (the University of London External System) when working during that time and his PhD diploma was granted by generally the University of London. 
So, follow the same illustration, Kao's undergraduate alma mater is more appropriate to write as the Woolwich Polytechnic or the current University of Greenwich, though Kao's BSc diploma was also granted by generally the University of London. 
In fact in these cases, "alma mater University of London" or "alma mater University of London External System" has much less sense than actual colleges. 
Please also see Kao's own biography also in Simplified Chinese version (assisted by my colleague):
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** "在和域治理工学院的整整四年间，除了上课、做实验，就是与同学交往，参与体育运动，特别是乒乓球和网球。此外，我也经常为中国同学组织大型的中式聚餐，和为理工学院和伦大学生会举办社交舞会。"
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** "对于错失的机会，我绝少会用“遗憾”来形容。在和域治理工学院完成首年预科课程后，我本来可以报读我心目中理想的大学。因为喜爱科学，我坚持在高级程度考试中报考四个理科科目，就是数学、应用数学、物理和化学，以这几个科目的成绩，进入伦大任何一家比较著名的学院应不成问题。但我不知道要进入这几家学院要另行申请，我只是随遇而安，继续留在和域治。我没有后悔错失进入“名校”的机会，在理工学院，我和教师的关系更为密切，与他们有更多直接交流，获益良多。"
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** "不久，我的上司提议我一边在实验所工作，一边读个博士学位。伦敦大学大学学院的巴洛教授（Prof Barlow）是微波研究的先锋，后来亲自督导这方面的研究。我定的课题是“类光学波导”（Quasi-Optical W*eguides），目的是深入了解在封闭及开放式波导系统中自由空间传播及波导传播的现象。在封闭式波导系统中，讯息波在一个密封的金属罩中传导，而在开放式波导系统中，讯息波由电介质传导，因此电磁场不受金属管道限制。有关的研究，以类光学方式通过一个右弯的特大长方形波导管模型进行，让我有充裕的空间探索微波和光波在通讯中的功用。"
We hope those HongKongers are clear about this point. 
(Alice Muller (talk) 03:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Kao's Alma mater

message: The flag templates (such as  and ) have been deployed in many Wikipedia articles, particularly in the infoboxes. Those flag templates are good for indicating the nationality and the place of birth of the person to which the article pertains. I think these templates should stay in the infobox in this article. I just don't understand why some Wikipedians delete the contributions of others immediately and repeatedly without even discussing about that on the talk page. I see this massive, repetitive deletion as a form of vandalism. Please stop that. - Alan (talk) 14:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the not at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Flags. Matthew_hk tc 14:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: From the source 
Honorary Professors
Professor KAO, Charles Kuen (高錕教授)
CBE; BSc, PhD(Lond.); DSc(CUHK); DSc(Sus.); Doctorate(Soka); DEng(Glas.);
DSc(Durh.); DUniv(Griff.); DTE(Padova); DSc(Hull.); DSc(Yale);
FEng; FRS; FIEEE; FIEE; FHKIE; FNAE; Academican, Chinese Acad. of Sc.;
Academician, Academia Scinica, Taipei
Matthew_hk tc 14:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: Could we drop the protection as soon as the edit war is over? We're loosing out on a lot of improvement by having it protected now. --Apoc2400 (talk) 15:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the motion. For example, the article states that he was born "in 4 November...". One is born on a date, not in a date. He was born "on 4 November..."Writtenright (talk) 16:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Some citations are still needed. Who can release the strict protection?? (Allowrocks2003040957 (talk) 16:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Could be directly translated from Shanghainese dialect or dialects of Jiangsu/Zhejiang, 'coz Jinshan is just next to Zhejiang nowsadays. (Speakdriveyou (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

text: According to Wikipedia:Protection policy#Content disputes protection is probably not necessary, as there were only three users edit warring; one is currently blocked, one has been warned, and the other appears to have stopped so the protection should probably be removed, particularly as the article is related to a current event and is linked on the main page. snigbrook (talk) 22:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is even willing to respond to what I said? kmccoy (talk) 23:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: Some materials about Kao's family, from Jinshan, Shanghai.
Kao was born in a big family in Chang-Yan Village (Zhangyan Village, 張堰鎮) of Jinshan, Shanghai. His grandfather was Kao Choi-Wan (Gao Chuiwan, 高吹萬), a famous poet, revolutionary, literator, and was a key figure of Nan Society (South Society, 南社) in late Qing Dynasty. 
His father's uncle was astronomer Ping-Tse Kao (高平子, Kao Crater is named after him). 
The famous writer Kao Hsu (Gao Xu, 高旭) was also from his extended family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Once a week (talk • contribs) 2009-10-06T22:29:35 (UTC)
: His father KAO Chun Hsiang (C.H.Kao; 高君湘 in Chinese characters) was a lawyer once for the international court in Shanghai. C.H.Kao was trained in the United States. He obtained his J.D. law degree from the University of Michigan School of Law in 1925, today the School still keeps corresponding archives such as: Alphabetical List with Year of Law School Graduates.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 0149784rr (talk • contribs) 13:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  C.H.Kao was the third son of his core family.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 0149784rr (talk • contribs) 13:47, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

text: The "source" of family is simply a copy and shortened version of Chinese wikipedia. Matthew_hk tc 19:18, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you followed the timing tightly, you could find out the detailed info of Kao's family first appeared here. The Chinese wiki translated from the English wiki, primarily, from this discussion section here :D (Big0Tree (talk) 19:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The "source" is not reliable, which 入学前，父亲聘请老师回家，教导高锟和高铻，诵读四书五经。10岁，高锟就读世界学校（即今日的国际学校），需要读中文之外，也要读英文和法文，学校聘请留法的学者回来教授，高锟开始接触中国之外的人事文化，他说：“影响很大！”。 added to Chinese wikipedia in March 2009  without citation, and the news (入学前....“影响很大！), now with 50+ google hit in different site all look like a copy of Chinese wiki, cannot verify his father and brother name. It may be true his father is a lawyer but need a better citation. Matthew_hk tc 19:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I found an article in Chinese, 高吹万 is 高平子 uncle, which means Charles's father is 高平子 cousin. Matthew_hk tc 20:19, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 高吹萬 = 高燮, his brother 高煌 is the father of 高平子, himself is a Jǔrén 舉人. Matthew_hk tc 20:25, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: I just got permission for two photos of Kao. I recommend the the first one, but here are cropped versions of both.
Check out the uncropped versions if anyone wants to do a better crop or do something about the red eyes. OTRS confirmation is pending. --Apoc2400 (talk) 22:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the editprotected template.  The article is now unprotected and you can make these edits yourself. kmccoy (talk) 23:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: Can anyone who is fluent in the English language rewrite this article so that it is not so linguistically roughhewn?  It is very difficult to read a scientific article in children's English... Stevenmitchell (talk) 13:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess pretty much Hong Kong style - an important style of English language. (Untilwhen2 (talk) 16:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I will attempt to do some editing work on it - but I may also end up relocating some information within the article to improve readability. But I have no intent to alter any information, so don't react too quickly if you can't find something. Riverpa (talk) 15:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I think most part of the article is in fluent English, especially the scientific background is quite good. (3249374587BigGo (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks! Riverpa (talk) 18:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: He did research in US and HK, non of them notable?! Matthew_hk tc 20:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For example searching US Patent.  Matthew_hk tc 20:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Kao has at least 29 patents.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by LimoMoMoLg (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To restart the discussion, first the wiki article should be in more popular science tone to describe and summarize Kao's paper and patents. In another aspect, the TV program by RTHK, stated the patents of fibre optic were owned by the company he worked, which somehow should belongs to the article of the company, or fibre optic or this article? Matthew_hk tc 21:31, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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message: The article need to be clean up on reference. The flood of low quality pirate link of news article should be removed, according to the policy of wikipedia on not spreading copyvio link. As well as those pirate version, should be double checked with newspaper archive (such as 慧科, which i did not had membership) to verify that even the online version are pirated version, they are still true c&p. The link affected would be eastday.com (claiming copied from Youth Daily) and networkchinese.com (claiming copied from Ming Pao).
For other ref, this ref, according to the version in Wayback Machine, had nothing to do with the content, which probably a spam link, but did not discover until today. I am not sure there is other spam link existed in this article or not. Matthew_hk tc 21:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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message: I discovered that in the Nobel lecture, https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/06/kao_lecture.pdf , Kao's wife presented that he worked for Standard Telephones and Cables and then for ITT Corporation at its subsidiary Standard Telecommunication Laboratories, while wiki article did said Standard Telephones and Cables had sold assets to ITT. So, when Kao worked in STL, STL is belongs to ITT or Standard Telephones and Cables?
Moreover, the current version of wiki article stated , "Standard Telecommunication Laboratories (STL) in Harlow, England, the research centre of Standard Telephones and Cables." is that wrong?
Probably the citation UCL used wiki as circular citation? Matthew_hk tc 18:07, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Edit warring 

message: Add those after the 2009 open letter in the opening paragraph:
However, in February 2010 open letter by the couple, it declared " Charles studied in Hong Kong for his high schooling, he has taught here, he was the Vice-Chancellor of CUHK and retired here too. In all he has lived in Hong Kong for over 30 years. So he is a Hong Kong belonger."
 (or trim it a bit) Matthew_hk tc 11:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This would appear to be part of the nationality issue being discussed in the RFC.  Fish+Karate 12:30, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: edit protected, 1 October 2018

message: His knighthood no doubt appears in the Gazette somewhere, but it's not in the one in this footnote.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:700:21A0:3863:6D72:D616:444B (talk) 22:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It was on page 23, under "Diplomatic Service and Overseas List", and was already cited. I removed the superfluous citation, and updated the original with the London Gazette template. Knuthove (talk) 23:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnote 19 Incorrect.