Talk:Western Ukraine

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Western Ukraine's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Umland":
From Party of Regions: Ukraine right-wing politics: is the genie out of the bottle?, openDemocracy.net (3 January 2011)
From Politics of Ukraine: Ukraine right-wing politics: is the genie out of the bottle?, openDemocracy.net (January 3, 2011)
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 21:56, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:00, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Western Ukraine]] 

message: The purpose of the article is to describe region of Ukraine, not Poland. It looks like any articles on Wikipedia that talk about western Ukraine, all of them imply that that portion of Ukraine belongs to Poland. There is no reason for all of those articles to mention their relationship to Poland exclusively. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:58, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose to what? I did not state that term Western Ukraine is an administrative division of Ukraine. Western Ukraine is not an administrative division of Poland today either, so what? My point was that many articles about Ukraine and especially Western Ukraine became overwhelmed by Polish history, reading of which leads to impression that Poland has some territorial claims against Ukraine. That is not true. Poland and Ukraine renounced their territorial claims of one another long time ago. There many other articles in wikipedia that explain history of the region with exactly the same information and in more details (Soviet annexation of Western Ukraine, 1939–40, Kresy). Therefore there is no reason of repeating it on all articles concerning Polish history. The key term that you mentioned was socio-political term is really widely used in books and news media. The article also explicitly states that it is a vague geographical term. The purpose of the article was to indicate "mere east-west direction on the map of Ukraine" as you mentioned, while the region that was annexed to the USSR in Poland is better known as Kresy. Note that the article neither goes into detailed explanation of times when Western Ukraine was part of the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria nor the West Ukrainian People's Republic. Ukraine is a country of the Eastern Europe centered in Kiev. To the west of it is located Western Ukraine, to east - Eastern Ukraine, to south - Southern Ukraine, while locations of the Central Ukraine and Northern Ukraine overlap each other. It would be have been a neutral point to describe the region rather than explain how the Western Ukraine was succeeded from Poland during the World War II. Restoration of the previous maps do not lead to neutrality and barely "explains anything". The purpose of the article should not be to "explain everything". There are too many details about history and especially History of Poland. How is that neutral?? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the main problem with this article is that it lacks proper development. The article needs description of what this region means for Ukraine as of today. There's nothing here about economic situation of Western Ukraine in comparison with the rest of the country, and nothing about its cultural mileu since the Revolutions of 1989. New section needs to be created for the last 25 years of development for the real NPOV balance, because data can easily be found. – By the same token, history of Western Ukraine (before independence of Ukraine) should be featured under one title in a separate section for the logical progression of thought. Poeticbent talk 20:06, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Addendum. I went ahead and rewrote the article to reflect the comments from above. I added new citations and combined the history of Western Ukraine into a single history section, which should be followed by further expansion of what this region means for Ukraine today: politically, economically, etc. It does not mean that the influences are all positive, but they need to be researched separately. Poeticbent talk 19:14, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose of the article 

message: :Legally the area belonged to Poland till 1946, when the puppet government of Poland accepted the Soviet annexation. It's parallel to the annexation of Crimea. 
:The area was under German occupation 1941-1944.Xx236 (talk) 07:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''At the onset of World War II the region was incorporated into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic'' 

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We're I can place personal ad on western local papers in Ukraine thank you Zalmaisalehi (talk) 16:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placing personal advertising  

message: This article became more and more suggestive as there is a territorial dispute between two countries. There is a separate article on the Soviet annexation of Eastern Poland and Eastern Romania. Do we really need to mirror stuff to other articles now??? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:23, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The history section starts with a statement that western Ukraine was never part of the Russian Empire with reference to some Canadian historian. The reference does not even mention what page in the book was this nonsense found. I really doubt that such statement could really be found in that book. Second of all why does the section start with this statement is also not fully clear. Western Ukraine traces roots to Medieval Europe, yet whoever wrote the section started out with to whom the territory belonged or did not. Why the article does not mention coronation of Daniel of Galicia in Dorohochyn and who carried a title of King of Russia we will never know. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:41, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, there is no article in Wikipedia about western Poland in which there is a discussion to whom that part of Poland belonged earlier neither about southwestern Poland which ethnically has bigger difference between one another than western and eastern Ukraine. There is an article about that issue, but just a single one and is not doubled throughout other articles related to the region. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:48, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of talking about the term, how it came into existence and what it represents, the article focuses primarily on completely different subject. Is that really appropriate? Are we turning the Wikipedia into a personal blog page where political view can be freely expressed in sacrifice of the truth? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:58, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish irredentism 

message: The article is highly politicized. It uses term as "positive views" and "negative view" about language issue. The reason for it is unknown and unclear is also what positive and negative represents. Moreover, in the referenced articles nobody talks about "positive or negative". Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 04:02, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politisation 

message: The last few words in the Differences section were deleted by an unregistered user some time ago, leaving an inchoate half-sentence. I have restored what was deleted, altering the preposition during to at for more natural English. The whole passage has no reference; the deletion was not explained. --Frans Fowler (talk) 20:31, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences with rest of Ukraine: "Zakarpattia at Ukraine's regional elections" 

message: History of the Republic should be integrated into the text.Xx236 (talk) 08:52, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Ukrainian People's Republic 

message: Hi TimothyBlue, the history of the region is summarised well in the first paragraph. The paragraph you have restored to the introduction is just a longer-winded, jingoist, and badly-written duplication of this information. It ought not be in the article at all, but certainly has no place in the introduction. Stara Marusya (talk) 17:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoration of unnecessary text