Talk:Propaedeutic value of Esperanto

message: It appears that a large part of this article was copied from International Language (known as Esperanto) Commission, Interministerial Decree April 29/October 5 1993.  I don't see a copyright notice, and it was apparently published by an Italian government ministry, so maybe it's public domain or free to use; but we need to verify that. --Jim Henry 22:17, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible copyright violation 

message: Chuck SMITH has a user subpage, User:Chuck_Smith/Pedagogical_evidence_for_Esperanto which we might can use as an additional source if we have to rewrite this article. --Jim Henry | Talk 18:58, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another possible source 

message: I noticed that Kwamikagami said "...a few months of Esp. helped my Japanese more than 6 years of Spanish..."; and on that note, while reading this article, I was thinking: The studies mentioned here were only done on European/Germanic/Romance  languages. (Perhaps I'm categorizing them too narrowly/broadly — I'm not a linguist and I didn't read the article in detail.) The studies seem to show that learning Esperanto would help with learning French, German, etc., but would it help with learning Japanese? What about Tamil, Swahili, or Korean? Have studies been done on any of these languages, and/or others like them? Unless there is information to be provided in this article on African/Asian languages, the article should really be saying that learning Esperanto may help with learning "certain" foreign languages (perhaps if they all belong to one category we could replace the word "certain" with the name of that category), rather than "foreign languages" in general. Saying that it may help with learning "foreign languages" is too vague, and also misleading, because the studies mentioned article have not been done on a wide enough variety of languages to allow the use of such a general term.On the other hand, perhaps studies have been done on other various languages, and either none of our English Wikipedians know about it, or else no one has thought/known to provide that information? We should be on the look-out for studies done on the propaedeutic value of Esperanto on Asian/African languages, and put that information into this article. NoriMori (talk) 21:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought there was an Australian study with Japanese, but I'm not familiar with it. But learning one foreign language helps with all, even though of course the effect is strongest with similar languages. Partly I think it's just learning how to learn a foreign language, like learning music: learning the flute will help with learning the guitar or piano, even if it helps a lot more with the oboe. That's why the recorder is so common in children's music classes: a really easy, cheap, & portable instrument that may not take the child anywhere itself, but which can lead to greater things. That's the idea behind propaedeutic Esperanto: an easy language as an introduction to and facilitator of other more practical languages. I doubt any controlled studies have been done, though. kwami (talk) 10:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Learning Esperanto may help with learning [insert Eastern language here?] 

message: You can find here studies with cited sources, made in Italy and otherwhere; those studies are aviable in italian, english, esperanto, french and hungarian. --Iosko (talk) 10:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: A source

message: I'm very certain that the source is listed here, but i can't see which one is meant. I'm not proficient enough in EO to read the article and understand it fully.
http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istv%C3%A1n_Szerdahelyi  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deleet (talk • contribs) 11:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be in one of his publications on Eo language instruction, but is not covered in that article. — kwami (talk) 18:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for "Even before the experiments conducted by Prof. Helmar Frank in Germany, similar research was conducted in Hungary by I. Szerdahelyi of the University of Science in Budapest.[citation needed]" 

message: Is this article incredibly biased, or have we determined that you absolutely should learn Esperanto before anything else?  I understand so-called "fair and balanced" (or NPOV) writing try to portray two unequally-weighted points as even (for example, giving equal weight to arguments for and against genetic racial superiority simply because arguments exist on both sides), and we shouldn't emphasize weak evidence to make an article feel balanced; instead, we should point out any dissent, and how much support that dissent has.  If its scientific support is weak, then the article shows that it takes a particular position not because of bias, but because current evidence suggests that position. --John Moser (talk) 02:14, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias check 

message: The list of experiments contained some which did not really explore the propaedeutic value of Esperanto, but if and how much Esperanto can be learned quicker. So I put them into a new section. But the fact that Esperanto is quicker to learn is not well located here, in the propaedeutic value of Esperanto. Where should it go? The main article Esperanto does not mention this extensively. Is there a special article about this subject? Should we create it? --Lu Wunsch-Rolshoven (talk) 10:21, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:   Pedagogic experiments (quicker learning of Esperanto) 

message: I have contested the deletion of this article, and instead turned it into a redirect to . Since it is unlikely that this subject will ever warrant its own article, I will close & summarize all previous discussions all discussions related to the article (but not those related to the topic itself and to the sources) and dump all the sources used in the last, pre-redirect version of this article (along with a link to that version) here — in essence, "wrap it up" so that any information not already included in these articles can be integrated into  and Paderborn method. TucanHolmes (talk) 11:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect instead of delete