Talk:List of alumni of Wesley College, Melbourne

message: User:Orangemike has appended a clean-up tag to the article and his inline editing comments have provided some guidance towards improving the quality of this article.  In particular, he has pointed to the convention that entries in this list should be restricted to subjects that have an existing wiki article. On enquiry, he has referenced the essay WP:WTAF, which I think provides some worthwhile guidance.  For many of the potential entries, I don't think it will be particularly onerous to work up a quick stub article showing their notability, before adding them to this list.  Retrospectively I think this should also happen to those already on the list, with the aim that all entries have their own article. If this means that some entries fail on notability grounds, then it will act as a self-correcting mechanism to enhance the quality of the list.  I think it's also important that not only should sources be obtained that demonstrate their notability but also demonstrate that they actually attended the school. Murtoa (talk) 02:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I will not claim that any of this is original with me. These are pretty much the standard rules for such lists: 1. Is this person notable enough for a Wikipedia article; 2. If so, link to that article. 2a. If there is no article, then write the article before you add them to a list. 3. What's your source for asserting that they attended this school? Where's your footnote? I have never seen Wesley, or Melbourne, or Oz; but these are the same standards I try to enforce on my own alma mater, the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (one Prime Minister of Israel, one President of Peru, one neo-Nazi leader: the usual mix). --Orange Mike  |  Talk 20:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

text: That isn't how it works on Wikipedia. This is a list of allegedly encyclopedic value. If somebody isn't notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia about them, then they don't belong on a list of this sort in Wikipedia ("curiosity value" is not a Wikipedia criterion). If their attendance at Wesley isn't a matter of public record in reliable sources, then they fail our absolute requirement of verifiability. --Orange Mike  |  Talk 18:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

text: There is, of course, no reason why you couldn't license wiki software and set up a WesleyWiki, to which you could apply whatever criteria you chose. --Orange Mike  |  Talk 18:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Stephen, I accept your involvement with OWCA, but this list should not be aimed at socialising a long list of interest primarily for the wider Wesley community - that's for the OWCA and the Wesley community to do within its own devices, not this resource. I consider that this list should be constrained to those meriting their own wiki article.  My guess is that most of the current list would actually qualify (first one created today for Chris Silagy), although that's for the wiki community to confirm. Murtoa (talk) 10:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaning up the article

message: I'm taking out those who don't have their own article.  Some of these people may be notable, and should be re introduced to the list when an article has been started on them, or a good reliable source found which establishes their notability per  Lists of people.  If they are notable enough for the list they are notable enough for an article, so an article should be started on them.  But at least find a source which establishes them as notable enough for their own Wikipedia article. BE——Critical__Talk 06:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and have done a few myself. I'm quite surprised to see that some on the list don't have an article, although they hold honours. Itsmejudith (talk) 18:34, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I also agree with this and also support the general cleaning up including removal of cross-referencing. Murtoa (talk) 11:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

text: A large number of entries without their own article have been re-added.  I have removed them on the basis discussed above. Murtoa (talk) 11:56, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for pruning 

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message: Federal MP - has been added - but I can't find any evidence he attended Wesley? Murtoa (talk) 22:09, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Russell Broadbent