Talk:Remembering the Kanji I

message: :The method introduced in this book has been widely criticized. A primary criticism is that it encourages students to learn to write and remember the meaning of all the jōyō kanji before learning any pronunciations or anything about the usage of the kanji.
It is not a side effect of the method, but the very point of it, to separate learning of the meaning from learning everything else. You can't criticize X for being X. Taw 23:18, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's your opinion. I think this book is utter crap and flim-flam, a con. However, the criticisms in the current version do not seem to be sourced and could well be removed. --DannyWilde 00:36, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

text: The citation misses the point by excluding the sentence that comes right afterwards: "Thereby it separates integral parts of the written language." - and whether it's an accurate criticism or not is not really important -it's important whether it is being criticised on those grounds or not. I wrote most of the article, including the criticism, which I've gathered mainly on the usenet group sci.lang.japan. Do a search and read some of the long threads about the subject. OuroborosSlayer 14:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I just reread the criticicm part and realised someone had added what seemed like a non-NPOV remark in the second paragraph (about the second volume mainly). I've 'corrected' it - I think it's more NPOV now. OuroborosSlayer 15:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: :The method introduced in this book has been widely criticized. A primary criticism is that  it encourages students to learn to write and remember the meaning of all the jōyō kanji before learning any pronunciations or anything about the usage of the kanji, thereby separating integral parts of the written language. Heisig argues that learning pronunciation and usage along the way just clutters the process and ultimately slows down the student. He believes that it is faster and more efficient to learn these skills separately. Even followers of the method have at times criticized Heisig - mainly for his choice of keywords which aren't always accurate. The obvious reason for at least some of the inaccuracy is the method's requirement that each keyword be unique.
:Some people argue that the pronounciation is learned in Remembering the Kanji II: A Systematic Guide to Reading Japanese Characters but the second volume enjoys less success compared to the first. The second volume has been criticized for not introducing a system comparable to the first volume's use of imaginative memory - instead most of the book uses root memorization.
:Despite the heavy criticism of Heisig's book, it has also been praised by many who believe it has considerably lightened the burden of learning the writing and meaning of the jōyō kanji.
Please don't "edit this for neutral point of view". Say who the critics are and add references. The above kind of unsourced opinions are totally unsuitable for a Wikipedia entry, whether they are in favour of or against Heisig. --DannyWilde 00:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone's willing do the footwork of establishing proof of a general criticizm of Heisig's work (I for one am not inclined to at the moment), then a good place to start is  and . I think the criticizm was/is usefull, so I hope someone is up for the challenge OuroborosSlayer 08:20, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: I'm very sorry to have to start this section myself. I'm sorry because even though there is no any other better way for us Latin character children to learn the meanings of Chinese characters used in current Japanese better than this method, the few people that have backgrounds in Chinese characters seem to have taken over this article and spun it out. I have to tell all the people who have never ever even seen a live Asian person in their lives to buy this book and spend the 2 years learning ever sentence. This is the only way. Proven buy Best Seller Reports in Japan.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.166.56.45 (talk) 18:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: I think the "A critical review of "Remembering the Kanji" should be removed. It is shallow, manipulative and hard to call a review, in that it doesn't even describe the system of the book. It notes that it didn't work for the author but doesn't clarify why. Beyond that it is just shallowly poking at supposed flaws (I can elaborate if needed). Is this review of any use at all? Admittedly I used the book and it was wonderful. However I have nothing against a negative review being linked, just not one that is written by someone who seems to have a vendetta against the book.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thermal7 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
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