Talk:Asgard (Stargate)

message: We have NO idea when the Alliance of Four Great Races was. We have NO CLUE at all. People seem to think that it had to be after the Lanteans returned from the Pegasus Galaxy... but the Lanteans going to Milky Way and coming back may have just been a minority, and the bulk of the Ancients could've stayed around. So pretty much, it couldn't happened at ANY point. Deciding that it was 10,000 years ago is PURE speculation, and not wikipedia policy.
Actually, we do. The Asgard specifically state they began exploring space circa 30,000 BC (Or 30,000 years ago, I forget which).  By that point the Ancients had already left the Milky Way for Pegasus, and they don't return her until 8,000 BC.  So, we know it's after 30,000 years ago (Or 30,000 BC) since prior to that the Asgard weren't exploring space, and we also know it's after 8,000 BC, since before that the Ancients weren't here for the Asgard to contact.  Kinda gives us a good point to place the contact. JBK405 23:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Asgard only stated that they sent a ship from their homeworld 30,000 years ago and its crew was placed in suspended animation. They never said why the crew was in suspended animation and they most certainly never said that they began space exploration then. It's often interfered that this means they had yet to develop intergalactic hyperdrive engines and were simply trying to cross the void. But even that is speculation. In truth we have no idea when they began exploring space and we have no idea when they first went to the Milky Way. The Ancients lived there between about 50 million and 10-5 million years ago. At which point the plaque killed the bulk of them off. For all we know, the Asgard met them anywhere in that period of time. Either by going to the Milky Way themselves or, if they indeed didn't have the ability to travel between galaxies that far back, the Ancients could've been exploring their galaxy and gave them the means to gate to the Milky Way so they could get together. Therefore, unless anyone can provide specific quotes that show it is more than just speculation, I believe that section should be removed.  Xaeden (talk) 01:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline error

message: I have a belief that the Asgard posses a much higher degree of technology than the television series seems to imply. Because the Asgard, Alterans, Nox and Furling were all part of an alliance of Great Races, I strongly believe that the Asgard possess the same level of technology as the Alterans did before they ascended. The Nox have also proved their high level of technology is also comparable to the Alterans when they revealed their floating city. I'm not sure if I'm simply being biased, or if my claim has true value. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.223.116.103 (talk • contribs).
:Unless you can come up with references for this it looks like original research. Wikipedia's got a policy against that sort of thing, so we can't include it in the article; see Wikipedia:No original research. Furthermore, if the Asgard have the same level of technology as the Ancients, why did they need O'Neill to access the knowledge of the Ancients and build an anti-Replicator weapon for them? Thor mentioned in that episode that the Asgard have tried to download the repository of the Ancients themselves but their computers can't handle the amount of raw data, let alone process it. Bryan 04:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I might add something, it may be that the Asgard are a Civilization in decline, perhaps once in the distant past they (and the other 2 races) possessed Technology as advanced as that of the "Ancients", but they may have lost this knowledge over time. Also they can no longer reproduce, this is defiantly indicative of a decline, and perhaps Technological decline is part of this.--Hibernian 18:15, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technology level 

message: I deleted this poorly worded text from Greys, intending to reword it and put it into this Asgard article:
:The Asgard were responsible for the abduction of humans from Earth to further their genetic experimentation, the Asgard in the show suffer from a lack of reproduction abilities, basically sexless the Asgard used human DNA to further their experiments and ultimately save their race.
However, not being very familiar with the Stargate TV series, I'm unable to verify that the statement about abductions is true.  If anyone can verify that this is part of Stargate canon, feel free to add something about abductions to the Asgard article. Wdfarmer 05:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition (and this is just speculation), the mythological Loki was known as a prankster, which could mean that Loki's experiments extend centuries into the past. It is possible that he stopped for awhile, but resumed when he thought the High Council was not looking. Chronolegion 17:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Responsible for abductions?

message: On Talk:The Torment of Tantalus (Stargate SG-1), I posted the results of an attempt to transliterate the Asgard inscription in that episode. I'm trying to find screen captures of more recent bits of their writing that I can have a crack at (the Ancient script used in that episode is not much like the current one, so I'm not making any assumptions about the Asgard one). --Grey Knight 01:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Written Language 

message: Goa'uld:  System Lords, Tok'ra, Kull Warrior 
The Tok'ra shouldn't be listed under goa'uld, they repetedly state they they are in no way related to Goa'uld. In the episode where they find tretonin, they also find the Tok'ra queen. This proves that their genomes have divulged over the past two mellenia. The tok'ra stand by themselves, and should have thier own place.
65.9.215.152 21:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC
:The Tok'ra claim to no longer be Goa'uld, but they are quite clearly related to them (and really, we shouldn't just take the word of the Tok'ra as gospel - they're highly POV about themselves, after all :). Kull Warriors aren't exactly Goa'uld either but are at least as closely related. I think it's not unreasonable to group them here. Bryan 03:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. The Tok'ra queen is stated to be a 'traitor' by the Goa'uld, i.e. she was a Goa'uld who had morals. Since all Tok'ra are descended from her (to the point where the Tok'ra state that they are a dying race, because their queen is dead and they cannot sexually reproduce), there is no question of them being different to the Goa'uld; the Tok'ra queen (and hence, Tok'ra symbiotes) are Goa'uld. Talkingpie 17:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goa'uld and Tok'ra 

message: shouldn't all the verbs, well not all, but most be made past tense, since the Asgard are extinct. Idon'texist 20:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Past tense would indicate that the article is written from a viewpoint of an inhabitant of the show, not an outside observer, as it should be. Chronolegion 17:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past tense 

message: I would like to see a spoiler warning added. For those of us in the U.S. we have not seen any of the second half of season ten yet. It is rather shocking to suddenly see that the Asgard are extinct without any warning. Thank you for ruining an entire episode for us. HotOne121 02:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Warning 

message: Does anyone know where a picture of an Asgard ancestor can be found? I tried to Google it but only came up with a poor-quality face of one. It seems like it would be a good image to put in the article to illustrage the degradation of the race. Chronolegion 17:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Chronolegion 19:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asgard Ancestor 

message: I belive that the Asgard and asgard technology pages should be changed to mention the asgard pasing on their knowledge to the Tuari is alot like the Acients with their  Repository of Knowledge that only Humanity/Tauri can use. -- Awar 00:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repository of the Ancients 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Asgard ancestor.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:AnAsgard.jpg

message: I've downplayed some of the comparisons to Nox and Furlings that concern technology level and power level. There is so little information available on both the Nox and the Furlings that no analysis that could result in the comparisons being presented here could be properly supported. Rajrajmarley (talk) 22:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Furlings and Nox