Talk:Romantic realism

message: Other than "Ayn Rand" which has a reference, where are the references that indicate the artists are "Romantic Realists"?  Looks to me like opinion.
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These artists who are listed as Romantic Realists should be removed.  If there are to be any at all (which is worth debate, since Ayn Rand, if she were still around, might regard it as trading on her name, since the reason for this article is because it is a detail of her esthetic philosophy.  Pejman definitely does not meet Rand's criteria (specifically, artwork that is expressive of a volitional state of being -- which is hard to attribute to most paintings anyway).  Petrov might, but it's hard to see his work, to make a judgment.  Newberry probably characterizes himself that way, though as a personal opinion I don't think most of his work fits the category.  Rand of course is a Romantic realist, though even she said her work was sometimes not exactly that category.  And Gaetano, I can't say one way or the other, since I haven't seen his work; though being a cover artist for Rand's novel isn't a necessary admission price to that style of art -- but I leave that one open.  Thus I would argue that for sure #1 should be removed.
Johngillis (talk) 19:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Old unsectioned comments

message: The quotes section in here needs to go; wikipedia is not a random collection of quotes. TallNapoleon (talk) 03:10, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes section 

message: I think it is a bit odd to start off by saying that romanticism and realism are customarily seen as opposed to each other, if we don't give even a single example of any signifcant aestehtician, literary theoriest, etc. who has seen them so.  I'm sure you could find someone appropriate -- Paul Elmer More seems like a plausible candidate.  But without an actual reference here this looks like setting up a strawman. --Christofurio (talk) 17:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Christofurio, I thought your point was valid, so I added a reference to Lascelles Abercrombie, who I found was frequently cited as a proponent of a strong opposition between Romanticism and Realism, particularly in literary discussions of romanticism. Also, I softened the claim that the 2 schools were "typically" seen as opposed, and substituted a claim that they were "often" seen as opposed. It's easy to find people stating that they are opposed, but I do not know how we could establish that such a view is truly typical.Jenright (talk) 01:50, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

text: And now I have also added a Paul Elmer More reference, from a book he coauthored. Christofurio, thank you for that suggestion.Jenright (talk) 02:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.  That's a much better beginning for the article.  Personally, I don't think of romanticism and realism as opposed exactly, and don't think that dichotomizing of them is typical either. Realism is often seen (as for example by Jacques Barzun, cited in this article) as a sort of late romanticism, one of the directions in which romanticism over time may develop. In this respect, realism's antonym is symbolism, the other and opposed direction in which romanticism may develop.  Symbolism and realism are the sibling rivals in the romantic family, whereas classicism and modernism are different families altogether.  That, at least, is the classification of such terms with which I'm most familiar. But, hey, just some PoV there. --Christofurio (talk) 13:16, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: No Strawmen

message: In the See Also section, I removed a link to a non-existent Wikipedia article on the Quent Cordair Fine Art gallery. It appears an article once existed, but was deleted due to concerns about lack of notability. The gallery puts itself forward as a purveyor of romantic realist artworks, so I can see the connection to the article, but having a link to a non-existent Wikipedia article doesn't really make sense. Perhaps the gallery is notable enough for a Wikipedia article, but I guess someone would need to write it and, if challenged, make a case for notability.Jenright (talk) 05:54, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Cordair Gallery