Talk:Deaths in 2005/Archive 2

message: *Florence Reeves was? Lucy D'Abreu  is 2 years older. Ben davison 10:48, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Britain's Oldest Person

message: His own page says he died 31 August.  Here it's 1 September.  Which is correct?  JackofOz 07:18, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Geoffrey Donaldson

message: Cassio Raposo do Amaral, 62, Brazilian plastic surgeon and medical professor.
Why is this person here? I'm sure that he was well known by those in the field, but can normal people, who make up most of the readers of WP, be expected to know who he is?
*I'd give him the benefit of the doubt until someone submits a real case to remove him, assuming he is prominent in Brazil.  He is not prima facie disqualifiable (as would be "Joe Sixpack, 30, town drunk"; or "Jane Doe, 88, my granny") and (although professors are not per se notable), professorships present a clear claim to notability.  Certainly, "I haven't heard of him" is not a good case for removal.  I haven't heard of about half our recent deaths, and I try to keep up on the news. :) Xoloz 20:31, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Amaral

message: Is this person the same as Antoni Clave (also 92) who appears in Deaths in late August?  Seems too coincidental to be true.  JackofOz 01:15, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Death of Clave

message: Clearly sad.
It is arguable whether this belongs here, but the mother's pregnancy was national news, and she has a standing wiki, so I think a report of the baby should be here.  I do not think young Torres deserves her OWN wiki -- this many be a rare case where someone not independently notable deserves mention here, so that this page might offer good coverage of a "notable death" event. Xoloz 07:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Baby Torres

message: Sadly we lost two porn stars this week, Billy Steel on September 15, and Ghalia Hachem on September 13.   Even sadder, I don't think either of these people ever existed (and if they did I apologise to their families).
A Google search turns up zero hits for either of them.  Interestingly they managed to combine their porn careers with acting (Steel) and cabaret performances (Hachem), and despite their diverse talents still seem to have entered and left the world unnoticed by Google.   Added by an anon otherwise I would have left a message at the contributor's talk page.   I'd really like to see some proof of their lives before I'd accept any word of their deaths.  Rossrs 07:28, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I always try to include a link to a page describing the death of a person - preferably a page on a site of a newsagency, (national) newspaper or television channel. For me, it also acts as a test for worthy inclusion. If no other media bothers reporting the death, Wikipedia probably shouldn't either. And if they do, Wikipedia probably should as well. There are exceptions of course, but it's a good rule of thumb. 193.172.135.148 11:32, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A bad week for porn stars

message: I hesitated to add Russell Harris (24 September 2005) to the list. The guy himself isn't noteworthy, but his death - eaten by a crocodile - is. I wondered whether a remarkable death should be reason to include a person in this list, and then I noticed Herman Ashworth, who probably wouldn't have been listed if it wasn't for the way he died (execution). 193.172.135.148 10:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a very fine line sometimes but in this I think it was ok to add him.  As you said his death is newsworthy, particularly as he's the second person taken by a crocodile in the region recently. (the other being a fisherman taken near Cooktown, Queensland in late August) Rossrs 13:27, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In this American editor's opinion, any death reported by the BBC is most welcome here.  The anemic, imbecilic state of my native press is often distressing. If the BBC issued a report of toilet flushing, I'd find it fascinating. :) Xoloz 16:36, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russell Harris 

message: Greg Sadowski, 46, Inventor of the New York Kielbasa.
Well, I hesitate to remove this anon. contribution, but the nature of the claim to fame makes me want a source. Xoloz 15:54, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Same.  I did a few searches on google and only got a Comic Book artist who was 24 in the 50's, and nothing linking Sadowski and Kielbasa.  --Syrthiss 15:56, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sadowski