Talk:The Lazarus Experiment

message: How do we know that Martha's kin will be seen in this episode? Where has it been stated? - NP Chilla 03:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were seen on location during filming of this episode.  Of course, I'm not sure how reliable a source we could find for this — all I can think of is posts in the spoiler section of the OG forum, and maybe some shots on freemaagyeman.com — but I'm satisfied that it's true at least.  I'll poke around and see what verification I can find. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I found these reports on freemaagyeman.com, but they're hardly encyclopedia-standard (one says the actors were "possibly seen", and the other has a photo from so far away they could be anybody).  And it's also reported in these set reports from the spoiler section on the OG Forum — but that's not a reliable source, either.  Do two unreliable sources add up to a reliable one?  Open to suggestions on this one — I happen to believe it's true, but we all know the standard is verifiability, not truth. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry about it too much.  The episode will air soon anyway.  DonQuixote 12:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jones Family? 

message: Since one of the writter writers said egnimatic the enigmatic pay master I think the master will return seeing the producers stated he would return
:No, they didn't. The "pay master" could be anyone. Anyway, this is original research. - NP Chilla 12:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The return of the master is pure speculation spawned from the bbc saying that a old foe of the Doctor is to return.--Nosxalc 18:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Since the previous season mystery term was an anagram, I played with "Mr. Saxon" just now - but all it appears to reveal is that the man doesn't own a saxophone. ;) -- Karen | Talk | contribs 00:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Mister Saxon" → "Master No. Six" PeeJay 12:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Mavarin only said the previous seasons' arcword (Torchwood) is an anagram, not Bad Wolf. As for Master No. Six, this would be the sixth incarnation of the Master seen on screen. The production team may not (if he is the Master) actually refer to the anagram on screen, it may just be an in-joke, much like Torchwood being an anagram. Next time, sign your comments and try to use correct spelling and grammar, and to not be so offensive - Weebiloobil 19:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Master Returns

message: The Doctor re-dons the dinner jacket & tuxedo that he wore in Rise Of The Cybermen/The Age Of Steel. In the preview clips shown at the end of The Runaway Bride, the Doctor is shown leaping out of the path of an oncoming explosion.
I've removed this point because there is no evidence (and, I suspect, will not be any) that it is the same dinner jacket, and even if it is, it would need to be explicitly referred to or significant to the plot in some other way to merit a mention. (All dinner jackets are pretty much the same, after all - it's not as if he's reviving the Sixth Doctor's coat, thank goodness). Also, the thing about the preview clips says virtually nothing, although I wouldn't be too bothered if somebody felt that bit should go back in (but again, just because the Doctor appears in a dinner jacket doesn't necessary mean that it's that episode, so there may be an element of assumption or OR in making this statement). Also, a dinner jacket is a tuxedo. And re-dons isn't a word. Peeper 16:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of trivia

message: I'm not changing the image of this episode, like I've done with The Shakespeare Code, Daleks in Manhattan, and Evolution of the Daleks - I think the picture and caption look perfectly fine. :) Will (is it can be time for messages now plz?) 21:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Unless I am mistaken it is 42, not this episodem that is delayed by a week.  The date of the eurovision song contest seems to confirm this!
: Yes, it is 42 that's delayed. However, the Doctor Who website  says that, due to the delay of 42, that "something special" will be appended to The Lazarus Experiment. This is all beside that picture of the grinning Mr Saxon. Could we see a hastily-filmed Party political broadcast by the Vote Saxon campaign? And is this notable information? Kelvingreen 19:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delays 

message: I've removed this here until it's sourced properly: 
*In the children's magazine Doctor Who Adventures, a caption stated that this episode is set one day after Smith and Jones
--Tony Sidaway 05:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the clips on BBC Breakfast, her mum says "You just disappeared last night", so the caption is correct. I'll replace it, with reference to DWA removed, just in case that's not true.--Rambutan (talk) 07:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Please enter a reference to the pre-broadcast trailers as the source. --Tony Sidaway 08:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "One day after Smith and Jones"

message: The episode synopsis said that the villain was going to be called Lady Thaw and that the plot of the episode would focus on her stealing the machine. There was no such character and if there was she wasn't a villain and she never stole the machine. Furthemore it now says that the wheels of a deadly trap have been set in motion by the Doctor's arch-enemy, the Master hiding at the centre of time. This is never said to have occured. Nor for that matter did Professor Lazarus reveal any Sonic Amplifier thing. The only events that occured in this frightfully dull episode were Professor Lazarus turning himself young with the De-Ageing Machine, mutating into a giant scorpion, chasing the Doctor round the building while the Doctor taunts him then being incapacitated and taken away in an ambulance before escaping and fleeing to a Church where the Doctor, Martha and Tish find him. Then he mutates into a scorpion monster again, chases Martha and her sister around the building while the Doctor plays on the pipe-organs for no apparent reason and finally falls to his death from the steeple. The episode concludes with Martha going away in the TARDIS with the Doctor while her mother phones her to say that she has heard from one of Mr Saxon's employees that the Doctor is dangerous. So I don't know where all this original research and factual innacuracies are coming from. 
Anon
The sonic amplifier was the de-aging device, as is clearly stated in the episode. Lady Thaw's actions in the episode may have been wrong, but her presence wasn't.
:What episode did you watch, Anon? Lady Thaw appeared at the beginning. It was she who convinced Lazarus (supposed to be her lover) to use the machine for purposes other than good. However, following the mutation, he rejected her. He then mutated into the scorpion-thing, and drained her life energy. She was the first to be killed by him. An employee of Mr. Saxon spoke to Martha's mother twice, and it was Mr. Saxon who financed the experiment. Martha's mum thinks that the Doctor is dangerous, but she didn't before. The de-aging maching was the hyper sonic sound wave manipulator. The Doctor played the organ (amplifieing it with his sonic screwdriver) so as to make him drop from the bell tower, as he couldn't handle the sound. So far as I'm concerned, everything in the article is factually correct, and adequately sourced - Weebiloobil 19:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Huh?

message: Yes, The Curse of Fenric is set during the Second World War, but it's also set on a remote military base literally hundreds of miles away from the Blitz specifically the London Blitz being referenced in the episode), so I don't think it's a relevant reference in this context. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances is fine though. Kelvingreen 19:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Blitz? 

message: The second one (the burning church) seems particularly vague. can these be sourced? Kelvingreen 19:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first one regarding Lazarus living over a butcher's shop/Gatiss notably playing a butcher seems pretty straightforward, and the reference leaped out of the screen as far as I was concerned - can we put this one back in? [I agree that the second one was very sketchy] Divy 08:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  League of Gentlemen references? 

message: I think it would be nice to illustrate this point (that the lab logo looks like Gallifreyan script) with some screen caps. Is that doable? Kelvingreen 20:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speculation about apparent resemblances constitutes [original research].  This overrides talk page consensus.  So, as much as some people would like this topic to be included, it does not belong in continuity. Digby Tantrum 12:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It's interesting, but it's original research.  Please put it on a Who wiki (I think there are one or two such wikis) but not in this encyclopedia. --Tony Sidaway 13:05, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, there's a reference for this now. Check out the text (quotation) accompanying this design drawing of "Saxon's Ring." According to Peter McKinstry: "There was no grand plan in designing the Lazlabs logo. BBC Grahics provided it for ep 6, and I thought it looked a bit too Gallifreyan. But when it came to designing the ring, using the Lazlabs logo, with additional Gallifreyan etching on top, tied in nicely. Within minutes of it being shown fleetingly in the trailer for the series' second half, people were already discussing it on the net!" -- Karen | Talk | contribs 10:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lazarus Labs Logo/Gallifrey 

message: Some similarities here, not just the episode name but also the fact that a man becomes a monster and ends up in a church. Also, David Tennant appeared in the remake of Quatermass.
* There was also a line about the experiment being a risk, echoing the opening line of The Quatermass Experiment.  (Oh, and Mark Gatiss appeared in the remake too!) P Ingerson (talk) 20:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This week's Radio Times draws the same parallel, but it's in a review, not a statement from the creative team, alas. Kelvingreen 20:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quatermass Experiment 

message: Lazarus Long is also a notable Heinlein character who similarly used a rejuvenation process to extend his life to over 2000 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_Long
: Both Lazarus Long and Professor Lazarus are named after the Biblical character known for his return from death. I doubt there's a direct connection between this episode and the Heinlein character, but if you can find a source that says there is such a connection, go ahead. Kelvingreen 18:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lazarus Long 

message: Shouldn't we clarify what references were made by the Doctor that liken the Lazarus experiment to Time Lord Regeneration? "On a number of occasions, the Doctor notes the similarities between the Time Lord regeneration process and Lazarus' experiments." -- "On a number of occasions" does not seem detailed enough to me, and gives the impression that it is over several episodes, rather than just in this episode. Asta2500 04:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was me, and yes, I think I could have worded it better. :) Kelvingreen 18:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Time Lord Regeneration/Lazarus' Experiment

message: * While playing the church organm the Doctor mentions that he's going to "have to turn it up to eleven"
I can't fix it because the page is locked. How come anyway? 81.152.204.162 09:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo 

message: Why has this page been blocked from being edited by some people? 86.156.47.173 09:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well? 86.156.47.173 17:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: So is it going to come off at somepoint then? 86.156.44.31 12:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I've requested its unprotection on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection (WP:RFPP for short). --Tony Sidaway 12:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I've unprotected and removed the tag per Tony's request at WP:RFPP, as I said there, let's see how it goes. Ryan Postlethwaite 12:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Protected? 

message: Under the Production heading the model in Lazarus' office is identified as being of Wells Cathedral. I assumed this was an error since Southwark Cathedral was the one featured in the episode and the one the character had an emotional connection to (Wells Cathedral was used for filming the interior Southwark shots). I made the change but please revert it if I'm incorrect in my assumption as I doubt I could make a visual identification of the cathedral the model is based on solely by its appearance in the episode. --djw230 5:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southwark & Wells Cathedrals 

message: Someone should add this to trivia. The gas that emits from a Bunsen Burner can only explode an a very  precise purity for the mixture with the surrounding air, therefore it is impossible that when he flicked the switch for it to explode, it would take a lot of time for it to reach the right purity. A pure source of the chemical, more often then not would not explode, in fact.
For more detail see Bunsen_burner where they go on about it in the operation section. 22:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This shouldn't go into the article.  Doctor Who is fiction, not documentary. --Tony Sidaway 12:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bunsen Burner 

message: Didn't the Ninth Doctor say the equivalent about Rose in The End of the World? Loganberry (Talk) 22:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the line might be an allusion to that one but w/o a reference I think it might be too ORish to mention. I did pick up on it though. --GracieLizzie 22:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "He's my plus one" 

message: The music played live at the reception is clearly "Martha's Theme", as identified in the Doctor Who Confidential episode "Meet Martha Jones".  Is that sufficient reference? The episode mentioned that it would be played and developed throughout the season, but did not mention this episode specifically. -- Karen | Talk | contribs 04:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music cue 

message: it says the trap by the enigmatic paymaster will close on sound of drumbs and/or last of the time lords what is the trap?Genda change help us 15:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  enigmatic paymaster 

message: Might just be me, but honestly, the rejuvinated version of Lazarus does bear more than a passing resembalance to Doctor #5. I don't know if this was meant to be, or simply a coincidence, but I thought it was worth mentioning. If they ever make a show along the lines of "The Ten Doctors" then they should get that guy to play the 5th. :) NemFX 03:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a coincidence. Specifically, a coincidence of the fact that Mark Gatiss looks a little bit like Peter Davison. (Meaning: He's tall, slender, and blond. That's about where it stops. Oh, and they're both British, which as a point of resemblance is fairly unremarkable unless you're not.) Seriously, that's just what Mark Gatiss looks like. FeRD_NYC (talk) 16:32, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refference to a pervious Doctor? 

message: Not a damning thing on its own, of course, but the "junk DNA can actually code for something, in fact it's a monster" myth was previously used in a TNG episode.. I forget the title. Probably something like 'evolution' or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk • contribs) 
:There's a lot of SF television, film and literature which deals in cod ideas about genetics.  Why should the Voyager ST:TNG episode be significant? --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 09:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect the anon is thinking of Genesis (Star Trek: The Next Generation), in which Data utters the immortal line "Captain, I believe the crew is de-evolving."  (The notion is, of course, rubbish.)  I agree with Mark that the similarity isn't noteworthy. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 10:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad Science 

message: A "See Also" section has been added, containing a link to List of Doctor Who serials.  This doesn't seem to be standard practice for story articles, but I thought I'd ask for input rather than simply removing it. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 20:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not involved in any Doctor Who wikiprojects, so idk if it's standard practice; probably not. I visited this page, and I then wanted to check the page to which I linked. I had to get there in a roundabout way, so I figured this would be a useful see also link. If you or others feel it is not a sufficient reason, feel free to revert. Carl.bunderson 20:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's a link to List of Doctor Who serials from the word "episode" in the lead and the phrase "Series 3" in the infobox, but neither of those is particularly intuitive.  Perhaps the thing to do is to add a "list of serials" link at the bottom of Template:Doctorwhobox? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I obviously missed those. Your suggestion about the bottom of the template sounds good, Josiah. Carl.bunderson 20:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also 

message: Currently, the article makes a reference to "Catherine Zeta Jones's marriage" and "Lazarus's office."  I'm certainly not familiar with the use of the apostrophe in all the English-speaking world, so have to ask--it that the proper form in England or in some other English-speaking country?  From what I'm used to, it would be "Catherine Zeta Jones' marriage" and "Lazarus' office" as shown here.  However, it could also be as it appears in the article. Thanks to whomever can give me a grammar lesson! Wakedream (talk) 06:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  s's 

message: A cut scene shown on the the season 2 DVD reveals that the Doctor participated in the drafting of the United States Declaration of Independence and he has the original copy in a pocket of coat. I think this detail should be added, because it is an interesting tidbit and it seems to tie the Doctor in with the legend of "the professor" a shadowy figure who supposedly showed up at the last minute to convince the founding fathers to sign the declaration. 206.72.46.150 (talk) 03:09, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Professor" 

message: "According to David Tennant during the commentary for this episode, David is actually present in the scene where Francine Jones slaps the Doctor; remarking that it had been accidental but because it had been so successful, it was left in". I'm removing this because it makes no sense at all. Re-add it if you know what it's meant to mean please. U-Mos (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Although having said that, it shouldn't be in the continuity section even if its meaning is notable... U-Mos (talk) 18:29, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-sensical sentence 

message: 1. I would argue that an actual quote from the dialog, [Doctor declares] "we need to turn this up to eleven." is more appropriate than a characterization, "that it was necessary to turn it up to eleven," and just as clear. I'm open to counter-arguments, particularly from Wiki vets, but I think using the actual quote is more Wiki-ish, and absent further objections, I think I should re-insert the quote.
*No counter arguments? I'm putting back the direct quote. Jeff (talk) 10:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  disagreements 

message: Not sure if it makes sense to mention the phrase in the "cultural references" section without noting to what it refers. Why include it at all if you're not going to mention Spinal Tap? At least a footnote. It would be like noting that the Doctor said "all the world's a stage" without noting the originator, which, of course we did. From the Wiki page on "The Shakespeare Code": 
* Examples of this include the Doctor telling Shakespeare that "all the world's a stage" (from As You Like It) 
Jeff (talk) 23:30, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "up to eleven"