Talk:EuroLeague

message: How do they decide which teams go? --Awiseman 13:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Is this a professional league? --Howard the Duck 09:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professional? 

message: I wonder, wouldn't be right if we mentioned next to the team the country that exists now? For example Cibona-Croatia, CSKA Moscow-Russia. The same with the "titles by country" section. In this way we could show the real achievement by country, for example the great tradition of croatian basketball something which is not possible under the name "Yugoslavia". Besides we talk about clubs and not national teams (only in this case we couldn't change the country), so we can use the country that a team always belong even if this country used to belong to a wider federation. We could put the Yugoslavia and USSR thing as a note below the table. Sthenel 14:54, 7 January 2007
This goes to the top question as well: Teams represent their nations, based on achievements in local competition. Until 2000, this was very strictly kept. In fact, only since the laate 1970's were non-champions allowed - that is, local runner-ups of the best leagues and the defending champion, if it hadn't also locally triumphed that year.
Since the 2001 reshuffle this has changed quite a bit. Some teams sign separate contracts with ULEB and thus ensure their participation for the next X years. Nevertheless, these tend to be the strongest teams in the continent anyway... the mediocre leagues (Germany, Poland, Slovenia, Portugal, Latvia to name a few) send their champions to the competition, while the weakest do not participate at all and try and qualify for the next years via ULEB Cup. - Yuval 11:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team and country 

message: First of all, in the opening paragraph, the fact that Real Madrid has the record in the competition is the only thing that we have to mention. Other records should be included in the "Trivia" section. We won't include any record of any team in the lead paragraph because a fan requested it. Secondly, saying that they were 20,000 fans in a stadium of 18,500 seats is an exaggeration. A club can say that the attendance in a specific match was 15,000 while the official counting has given 12,000. So records like that should be based on Euroleague's source. - Sthenel 11:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As for the first part, both records belong to the same "category".Your opinion of putting the one as the second sentence of the article and the other one at the Trivia section is TOTALLY subjective.Are you the one that judges alone what worths being mentioned where?As for the tickets...As i've written again, there is no more official source for a tickets sold, other than THE TEAM ITSELF.They sell them, they count them.Simple as that.Euroleague is not the teams' accountants.I'm linking the source which is the official site of the team and i don't think there's a need for further explanation on that one.And last, but not least, being a guest means nothing.There can be guests that edit articles and contribute anonymously with the same respect that you have for Wikipedia Sthenel.So don't try to use that as a plus for yourself during our argument.Besides, if that wasn't the case, then the owners of Wikipedia should completely ban guest editing.But they don't do it, so that means we have EQUAL rights.Cheers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.203.52.14 (talk) 15:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text: -So, there is you admitting that there were 20.000 fans inside, we have Panathinaikos announcing it on it's official page, but you think we shouldn't mention it and keep removing it, although it practically happened (as you wrote).What should one think?That you are unbiased and i'm the one who's promoting Panathinaikos? -The Final four era of the Euroleague is the most "important" one for the history of the sport, plus it's the current format of the competition.Of course Real's record is bigger as a record.Who can deny it?But that simply doesn't mean that those two identical pieces of information must be written seperately.Writing those two bits of information one after another has a meaning of coherence.The reader is informed about the most successful teams in terms of overall history and the final fours era.There's no more simpler way i can explain this and i see no reason splitting them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.203.52.14 (talk) 17:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits from fans 

message: The first final4 WAS NOT held in 1988 (Ghent). The first final4 was in 1966 (Bologna) and there was a final4 the next year (1967 in Madrid). So the total of final4 made is not 20, but 22. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashton har (talk • contribs) 10:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final-four 

message: The article is continually edited by fans who try to spotlight the teams they support. Most of them are guests and they are reluctant to discuss anything in the talk page. - Sthenel 18:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've protected the article. This edit-warring is unacceptable, but that goes for both sides. I count something like 10 reverts by Sthenel within 2 days, and an equal number by the 85.x.x.x anon. This is a simple content dispute, neither side can argue they are simply reverting "vandalism". I should maybe have blocked both parties, but since blocks against anons tend to be not very effective, I have preferred protection instead. Please work it out on the talk page, there's nothing else that can be done. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help from Admins 

message: Absolutely nowhere in this page is it discussed just how a team qualifies for Euroleague competition from season to season.
:I did wonder about the same thing. It seems there is simply a fixed number of teams that participate; the article states: “That was when ULEB, the Union of European Leagues of Basketball, was created by the 24 richest club teams..." It sounds like the way the big North-American sports leagues work which Europeans may be unfamiliar with. --Bjarki 12:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice if someone could state for sure whether the league uses promotion/relegation.  Kenallen 17:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qualification? 

message: :It would be nice if someone could state for sure whether the league uses promotion/relegation.  Kenallen 17:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Promotion and relegation|Promotion/Relegation]]

message: Generally speaking, every country that has number of tickets given by ULEB and a Premier league union that are members of ULEB are entitled for participation. There are countries that dont have that union and are entitled, like russia, because CSKA Moscow is an important team to the Euroleague(they see it that way). In that case CSKA sign a 3 year country to participte. In Israel the situation was very much the same,with a premier league union that was established a few years and was excepted by ULEB last year. The Union decided that the league will decided upon a final four and dropped the playoffs to give teams more chance to defeat maccabi, whos lost only one championsip in the last 37 years. In return, maccabi  got the privilege to be in the Euroleague until 2009. In the middle of this season it was decided taht  the final four will continue for two more season, thus maccabi extended their agreement with the league union until 2012. 
In the countries that do have a PL union, the union decided the qulification himself per tickets received from the Euroleague. 
for example, In spain, that have 4 tickest there is a 3 year period of achievement calculation(wins, losses, playoff wons and losses) by table. the top two teams receive a 3 year contract. now the teams are Tau and malaga. The two other teams are set per season, I think.
In Poland: champion. Serbia the same. In Slovenia Lubliana has a contract but they are in a tough situation financially. maybe that ticket will go the adriatic league champion
more information can be found here, In spanish:
--ArnoldPettybone 15:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Its a veeeeeeeery tricky subject 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Official Euroleague Basketball logo 200x56.jpg

message: It would be useful if someone could add (critical) insights into the individuals and parties involved as well as their financial interests. Especially since none of that can be found the the official Euroleague website.88.73.108.165 (talk) 16:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal: Add background on parties involved and commercial interests 

message: It's ridiculous for such an important article to European basketball to have such a creepy structure. Shouldn't all these individual awards sections be moved in the Euroleague Individual Statistics? Half the article is about these. - Sthenel (talk) 13:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that was a huge problem and issue with this article. I have now made separate pages for the Euroleague awards.Euroleague Basketball Project (talk) 04:38, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual awards 

message: Shouldn't this go into a separate article? It doesn't make part of the Competition itself... Maku17 (talk) 11:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euroleague versus NBA games 

message: The highest scorer ever in Euroleague is Juan Carlos Navarro.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.49.229.98 (talk) 18:06, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juan Carlos Navarro 

message: "Athens is the only city, from which seven different clubs: AEK Athens, Maroussi, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos, Panellinios, Panionios, and Peristeri have participated in the Euroleague."
I believe you will upset Olympiacos fans with this statement, as Olympiacos Piraeus is from the city of... Piraeus, not Athens. Their home court is the "Peace and Friendship" stadium which is situated in the Neo Faliro suburb of Piraeus.86.22.45.205 (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympiacos is not from Athens neither do they play in Athens. 

message: The photo that illustrates this article is the featured photo on the front page today.  It appears to show a co-ed game (men and women on the same team).  Intrigued (is all wheelchair basketball co-ed?), I looked in this article for more information.  There is none.  A search for the word "wheelchair" shows it only in the photo caption.  Is this an oversight?  (I tried the article on wheelchair basketball, also, and all it said is that the sport is played by men, women, boys and girls; it didn't mention them playing it all at once.)
I don't mean to be difficult.  Perhaps a photo of a wheelchair game was the only one available for free.  But it seems like if you're going to illustrate an article on a league which (apparently) is primarily for play by the able-bodied by showing a photo of a wheelchair game, you could at least include a sentence in the text about what I assume is a parallel wheelchair league or tournament.  Gms3591 (talk) 09:53, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The photo 

message: See discussion , as to whether it is appropriate to delete Euroleague stats from an article of a player who has played in both the Euroleague and another league. --Epeefleche (talk) 00:02, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete Euroleague stats? 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Euroleague Basketball Company which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 15:16, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: Hi there,
I am new to editing so I am just going to leave a comment, so somebody else can do the correction.
In some parts of the article the Spanish flag is incorrect. where the Spanish flag has an eagle the flag should be replaced by the current flag with the crest.
The flag with the eagle is the dictatorship flag.
thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iriamonalvarez (talk • contribs) 12:15, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish flag is incorrect in some parts 

message: 2018–19 EuroLeague Regular Season and 2019–20 EuroLeague Regular Season are too big and it's causing technical problems for Wikipedia.
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Euroleague seasons are getting too big for Wikipedia - time to split or reduce content for the discussion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2018-2019 and 2019-2020 season Wikipedia pages are too big, it's causing technical problems 

message: Andiii, Sabbatino, BlackDraGoN, Nightfall87,  Deepfriedokra: Excuse me for pinging you here, but Tracy Daerman (who is probably behind the IPs' vandalism of these months) continued to change the results of the 2019–20 EuroLeague season in the "Results" section, asserting that Efes was the winner of the season, but this is totally false; the season was cancelled and voided (as you can see here: Official statement, but also 1 2, 3). So, what could we do to stop this vandalism? Thank you :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 20:54, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Nick.mon You are correct, and it is so obvious that the 19-20 Euroleague season didn't have a winner that there is no need to discuss it further. This is an ultras behavior and I would kindly ask Tracy Daerman to stop iteratively assigning the Euroleague to Anadolu Efes. If Tracy Daerman doesn't want to stop I would recommend to report him for vandalism to administrators. Andiii (talk) 22:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

text: You have my support, Nick.mon. We have an official statement from the Euroleague, it must be written in the table. Any other kind of subjective opinions should not be there, otherwise it’ll be not an encyclopedia, but a fan forum. If it continues in future I think I’ll request either extended confirmed or full protection. -- BlackDraGoN (talk) 2:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

text: The rest is a content dispute please follow dispute resolution processes. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the first time I find myself in this situation, apparently I need to give my version of the edit. The 2019–20 EuroLeague season was cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic; Anadolu Efes was first in the standing when this happened. Nevertheless it was not decided to assign the title to the first place and no further tournament was organized to assign the championship (like in the 2019-20 BCL case). It's true that Anadolu Efes was indisputably the best team, as per results, and could have won if the championship was not stopped, but this didn't happen and perhaps it left fans, like Tracy Daerman, disappoined. Nick.mon has provided valid sources and a simple search would provide many more with the same outcome. If this change has to be made I would very much appreciate a valid source to be referenced here. Thank you Andiii (talk) 22:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. That's all we ask for. This reminds me, I need to put another message on his user talk. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Thank you Deepfriedokra for your help and thank you Andiii for your precious support as a basketball expert. I don't even want to comment the "threats" of that user, this situation has already become too ridiculous... -- Nick.mon (talk) 23:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2019–20 result 

message: This revert was made on the assertion that the prior edit was disruptive. But it was not at all - it was appropriate. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EuroLeague&diff=1075527214&oldid=1075526189 --2603:7000:2143:8500:1C9A:BB7F:A5F9:95DA (talk) 00:09, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improper revert 

message: Need to change the total of titles by nation adding the 9th runner up position of Real Madrid to the total ammount of nation statistics. 94.236.200.192 (talk) 22:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing the total of "titles by nation" 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: I don't know how correct this edit was, but it was not properly sourced and I don't think the fact would need more than 1 sentence anyway. Pelmeen10 (talk) 04:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Runner-up trophy 

message: Hi @Cf203, what  does the "Medals by Country" subsection provide that the "Titles by nation" subsection didn't already provide? Is it just the additional bronze column, which could be added to the "Titles by nation" column as "3rd or 4th place Semi-finalist", consistent with the "Results" table earlier in the article? Was perhaps the addition of the medals discussion an attempt to conform this article to a template? In my experience, the winners of the EuroLeague competition are typically referred to as "Champions", rather than "Gold Medalists" (see https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/euroleague/news/final-four-history-all-champions-1988-2021/), so my instinct is that the "Titles by nation" table is the one to keep, and possibly expand upon, but I would welcome hearing from you first. Thank you. Coining (talk) 14:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is the "he" you're referring to, @Cf203, when you say "He also included the third medals? Isn't that you? The "Medals by Country" table was added by you in this revision. You then compare it to the "table based on clubs," but that's not the table I think it's largely duplicative of -- I referred to above the "Titles by nation" table. If your issue is with the completeness of the table "Titles by clubs," please work to complete it. But having two tables based on nations seems duplicative to me, and I question the value of a "Medals by Country" table when I see little evidence that EuroLeague refers to "gold," "silver," and "bronze" medals, like the Olympics does. I see that you and some other user (not me) keep reverting each others' edits. That's not the approach I prefer -- which is why I am trying to work through the issue on this talk page. Coining (talk) 21:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I am sure there is a lot more to analyze here. Please provide enough time for a range of editors to weigh in. I myself will go through in more detail. But, to start, I will point out that the consensus on Wikipedia is that Sputnik is apparently not considered a reliable source (see Wikipedia:SPUTNIK). Please also remember to sign your edits on talk pages. Thank you. 01:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medals subtopic 

message: It is repeatedly mentioned in the official sources of the gold and bronze medals of the teams, such as the links below:
https://cskabasket.ru/en/game/3162/n/119418/
For our team EuroLeague starts with two teams who were CSKA opponents in the last season’s finale. Today the Army Men went to Milan to face Olimpia, the team that beat Muscovites in the bronze medal game.
https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/one-team/news/olimpia-milano-takes-home-gold-at-the-2023-one-team-awards/
Milan's One Team Gold Program triumph · Olympiacos grabs the One Team Silver Program award · Barcelona wins the One Team Bronze Program trophy.
Unlike many club competitions in other sports, all basketball club competitions have a third-place match and the winner receives a bronze medal.
In 2017, Zalgiris claimed the EuroLeague One Team award for the running best practice of the project, and followed it up with a bronze award in 2018 and 2021.
https://zalgiris.lt/en/basketball/one-team/
https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/news/final-four-pregame-show-takes-silver-at-world-best-event-awards/
Some 41 players have won either the EuroLeague, the EuroCup, or both, as well as a EuroBasket gold medal in the 21st century.
https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/euroleague/news/celebrating-those-who-have-worn-euroleague-and-fiba-continental-crowns/
Euroleague Basketball. Men's Final Four. Gold medal match
https://sputnikmediabank.com/story/list_548095/
Basketball Euroleague. Final Four. Bronze medal match
https://sputnikmediabank.com/story/list_567623/
Olympiacos Piraeus was selected as the recipient of the One Team Silver Program, while FC Barcelona secured the One Team Bronze Program award.
Milan's One Team Gold Program triumph · Olympiacos grabs the One Team Silver Program award · Barcelona wins the One Team Bronze Program trophy.
https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/one-team/news/olimpia-milano-takes-home-gold-at-the-2023-one-team-awards/
CSKA Moscow Friday evening to proceed to final in Final Four. During the bronze-medal match earlier in the day
https://www.dailysabah.com/basketball/2017/05/21/fenerbahce-crowned-euroleague-champions-beating-olympiacos-80-64
https://mediacentre.euroleague.net/mediacentre/en/press_releases/single/663/no?app=2
A thousand other links can be found. This is enough to prove the truth of my words. If there is no convincing answer, the table of medals will be returned. — Preceding unsigned comments added by Cf203 (talk • contribs) in a series of 10 edits on 25 May 2024 (UTC)<diff>
:I am sure there is a lot more to analyze here. Please provide enough time for a range of editors to weigh in. I myself will go through in more detail. But, to start, I will point out that the consensus on Wikipedia is that Sputnik is apparently not considered a reliable source (see Wikipedia:SPUTNIK). Please also remember to sign your edits on talk pages. Thank you. 01:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Reasons

message: * Semifinal losers considered as bronze. 19 editions have not third place match. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cf203 (talk • contribs) 06:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Medals by country

message: I hope Euroleague Basketball will change the rules and in the future will not write the name of sponsor on the cup.
Just Euroleague Basketball and Champion and current year. I think is fair that,
We already see the sponsor name everywhere with giant letters including the ball. Judge Zeus (talk) 13:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name on Euroleague Basketball cup