Talk:2006 Lebanon War/Archive 27

message: I do not have time to check and re-check again, my israeli sources told me over 120 soldiers dead and 55 civilians, at least 5 commandos, today on the raid at least one soldier dead, this time no hezbolla, except 3 wounded, if somebody has more evidence check on the accuracy on casualties on boths sides. Remember, the first casualty in war is truth.
:Uhm and "my Israeli sources" state that there were 118 soldier fatalities, including the officer of the commando (הי"ד) that died today, and 43 civilian fatalities - all names reported except the last officer's one. Also "my sources" tell me that Lebanon reports 3 Hizballah men dead in the recent Baalbek raid. Disguised taqiyya is not going to work here, buddy. --Aleverde 20:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is 44 civilians - one person died later in a hospital. The name of the 118th soldier just published: Lieutenant-Colonel Emanuel Moreno ז"ל (probably major, promoted post mortem, as always). Flayer 20:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware of 118 too. Perhaps mfa.gov.il will update their page Sunday (and fix the miscount in the title). ehudshapira 00:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Israeli casualties

message: Right now the infobox says 954 but the ref doesn't agree. It says more than 900 Lebanese (and 159 Israeli, which would suggest the Lebanese figure is also including non-civilians). ehudshapira 00:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lebanese casualties

message: ===Earlier discussions===
Earlier Discussions
*Talk:2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict/Archive22#Discussion about Casualties
**"Estimates" from the tourism minister, etc., Lebanese Casualties
*Please do not change these archived discussions. Instead restart discussion on this talk page. Sijo Ripa 11:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion about casualties

message: Earlier Discussions
*Talk:2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict/Archive22#Discussion about Casualties
**"Estimates" from the tourism minister, etc., Lebanese Casualties
*Please do not change these archived discussions. Instead restart discussion on this talk page. Sijo Ripa 11:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Earlier discussions

message: it appears that the Hezbollah currently gains enormous popular support by their professional rebuilding campaign. They also seem to know their PR, with multilingual announcements of "divine victory". It appears that the slogan is a play on the name of Nasrallah -- could somebody elucidate this aspect? The article seems to be concentrating on the military confrontation, but it seems evident that Hezbollah's dealing with the aftermath of the attack is much more decisive in turning the whole affair to their advantage. dab (ᛏ) 11:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "divine victory"

message: In reading through the infobox it creates an interesting problem, the number given for civilian deaths if I am understanding it right, is the number given by Lebanon for total deaths, not specifying civilian or not. Is this true? Perhaps a range should be used for this location excluding confirmed militants and IDF militant death numbers. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 14:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Casualty Figures

message: I have manupilated the data so it looks nicer (content (nubers etc) has not been changed). I furthermore added redundent commets to make the illegable comment readable. Furthermore, I recommend the citation to be moved outside of the infobox. --Cat out 17:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: As somebody mentioned yesterday, too many links are removed, there were war crimes in Lebanon and much more, it's important those links stay there, now, attack on hezbollah is ok, on civilians, never.
Hezbollah ONLY attacked civilians. 250 rockets per day on civilian cities. With rockets that are so inaccurate that they are unable to be used against a military. That should be mentioned in the first paragraph of any such description.
Clearly allegations of war crimes merits its own section. I've started one very tentatively. If others agree I'll make the rearrangementsTrachys 15:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: War crimes and other links

message: I put the number of Hezbollah fighters as 600-1000 according to the ISS report. But the figure seems to me to be
a bit on the low side. If anybody has more accurate figures, please feel free to replace mine. Abu ali 09:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The ISS report (can't find the link) says something like '600-2000, capable of 3,000-6,000, and 10,000 reserves,' so we can't just pick one of the numbers. Ideally we should find an estimate that deals specifically with this conflict. Cheers, TewfikTalk 14:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hezbollah Numbers

message: Tewfik: Besides other unexplainable edits you have made of this section, please explain why you constantly erase part of the sentence referring to article 8 of the UN resolution. 
--Burgas00 14:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Burgas, you are missing the point. Pointing this out doesnt go in that sentence, it would go elsewhere. The sentence " Regev was referring to article 8 of the resolution which calls for an end to all weapons transfers to Hezbollah." is not meant to be a summary of article 8, but instead stating the relevant section in reference to his statement “[t]he cease-fire is based on (U.N. resolution) 1701 which calls for an international arms embargo against Hezbollah.” Your allegations against Tewfik have been done in bad faith and are unwelcome at Wikipedia. ~Rangeley (talk) 18:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I think you keep missing the point that the sentence is not about the resolution as a whole but the arms transfer portion specifically. Stating other information is not relevant, while it should be in the article, it should not be there. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 20:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV edits of "violations of ceasefire" section by Tewfik

message: Hezbollah sinks Australia warship 203.166.247.248 16:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hezbollah sinks Australian warship 

message: Who knows where the Chebaa Farms area is? Now, how the hell Zar'it and Shtula got into Chebaa Farms area?? Flayer 20:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, noone is even trying to claim it was at Shebaa farms. ~Rangeley (talk) 20:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "capture of two soldiers in the Israeli occupied disputed area of Chebaa Farms"