Talk:Barry Cohen (attorney)

message: I am asking about the COI charge made by User:Treygdor. To what are you referring, User:Treygdor? You say on my talk page that you agree with the COI charge. Please explain for my edification. 
I will leave the articles for others to fix. A most unpleasant experience in dealing with you.  --Mattisse 09:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  COI charges made by [[User:Treygdor]] 

message: I don't think we need to write a lot about them, because the article is not about them, also it is a BLP concern because if people are only known for a case, we tend not to focus on them and people's opinions of the likeliness or otherwise of their guilt overly much, instead on the case itself.  But in general we don't need whole paragraphs about them, and beliefs about them, because the article is about Mr Cohen anyway if you think about it.  They need to be mentioned, but apart from an explanation of his role, discussing their case at length is a bit of a tangent, if you don't mind me saying.:)Merkinsmum 18:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, although at this point there is nothing controversial to say about them. The most personal is their transcript on Larry King Live. I know about a lot of great Barry Cohen cases, but I can't seem to find anything about him on the web. He first came to my attention when a chiropractor in a huge speed boat went through a slow speed zone very, very fast, killing seven people with many witnesses. And the chiropractor had been drinking. Cohen got him off completely. I've admire him a long time, along with Ellis Rubin and other attorneys that pull off the unexpected and the impossible.  Mattisse 18:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Case of the Aisenburgs

message: Ok, page is currently about the Aisenburg case.  It's a much better article!  But needs to be renamed accordingly.:)  Make a separate page specifically about the A case, then we can see if we have much more to say about Mr.Cohen.  Or this could be a redirect to thereMerkinsmum 13:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is listed on DYK right now. You could go to DYK and explain your objections and suggest a remedy. Probably the DYK editors will suggest a name change if they feel one is in order. I'll have to think about rewriting the DYK entry or removing it. Mattisse 14:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the original article had more about the Aisenburg case and I was planning to add more and might have changed the name then. But did not you say what I already had violated BLP and you removed the material?  Or was that someone else. I am getting confused! --Mattisse 14:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No that was me lol but I said it should focus on the case, rather than the couple, which the article as it stands does well.  And I said it was sort of a tangent off Barry C to discuss the ins and outs of Aisenburgs that much. As it is the intro would just need to be changed by a couple of sentences, for it to be an article about the case.
It will get the DYK anyway, because it's a new article and no doubt you supplied an interesting DYK for it.  A redirect would still go somewhere, it wouldn't effect the DYK.  We could move at some point anyway, there's no particular hurry.:)Merkinsmum 14:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Usually the DYK people suggest a move if one is urgently needed. They have in the past. In this case, I don't want to write about the Aisenburg case anyway. It has been publicized to death and there is not much more to do than regurgitate all the publicity. The most interesting thing about the case now is that Barry Cohen actually managed to win compensation under the Hyde Amendment. I cannot find even one case where an attorney has won anything, although I am sure there must be a few around. Cohen has never lost a case. When I have time, I will read through all the court petitions and findings to figure out how he did it. Unlike Ellis Rubin, Cohen prefers to fly under the radar and doesn't coin publicity-grabbing defenses or go in for courtroom theatrics. --Mattisse 15:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: aisenburg case

message: *This is a case where Cohen defended William LaTorre, the Pinellas chiropractor acquitted in the deaths of four teenagers in a 1989 boating accident. 
*Bio - Cohen graduated from Florida State University in 1962 and got his law degree from Mercer University in 1966. His clients have included former Hillsborough State Attorney E.J. Salcines.
Mattisse 20:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I discovered that rather than look up Barry Cohen (of which there is virtually no information), if I googled around for the people he defended instead, his name pops right up.  --Mattisse 00:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cohen info 

message: This entry reads like an advertisement for Barry Cohen. It's full of nothing but enthusiastic praise, and the language is not objective. "Astute knowledge of the law"? Come on. 
I wonder who created the entry, and what his or her relationship is to Cohen. 
I have nothing against Cohen, and he may well be a good lawyer, but this is overly promotional. Nbauman 13:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed phrase you objected to: "Astute knowledge of the law", and replaced with quotes from reference source.   --Mattisse 13:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reads like an advertisement 

message: I listen to radio online through my comp.  I started quoting after about 3 minutes of his phone call.  Here are my notes.  It can definitely help balance the article, as has been mentioned.  Stuff outside of quotes is my rc.  Everything else is from Hulk Hogan's mouth (and includes Hogan quoting barry)
"I was gonna charge you guys $10,000,000" "because you're a nice guy, I'm only going to charge you $5 million" later went with another lawyer for <$300k
"it was a mutual walkaway--it was a situation where I went in to talk to barry a couple weeks after our first meeting"
"as we started talking, we told barry how we felt, and you know, must've said it 3 times, ... even though you've shook my hand on this three times, I'm not gonna sue you"
"he said the 3rd or 4th time, even though you shook my hand, I won't sue you" "he said you can walk away I won't sue you" barry said "i want the very best for nick"
"the very next day, the paper came out with a headlines "that sometimes clients fire lawyers, sometimes lawyers fire clients" "it just didn't look good the way it was written in the paper" 
morenco? --barry recommended morenco for linda in retaliation (a divorce lawyer)
The radio interview ended literally 15 seconds ago.  Timestamp! Sentriclecub (talk) 11:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live excerpt from 15 minutes ago 

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