Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories

message: @Dimadick and I differ as to of what constitutes a "Cultural depiction", specifically whether a share of a 4 1/2 minutes children's television programme referenced in an article which is about a verse listing people by name counts as a "cultural depiction". (British monarchs, in Mnemonic verses of monarchs in England.) I.e. the point at issue is whether that article should be in every category from :Category:Cultural depictions of William the Conqueror to :Category:Cultural depictions of Elizabeth II. They added, I rolled back, they replaced. Any views? None of the tree of  :Category:Cultural depictions" and its subcategories includes any sort of a scope note defining the term. We've discussed at User talk:Dimadick#Cultural depictions .... I've posted a note over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Culture and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arts, as those two projects are associated with the parent category "Cultural depiction". PamD 16:54, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There are too many categories in Mnemonic verses of monarchs in England, see Wikipedia:Overcategorization. The per-monarch categories should all be replaced with the parent :Category:Cultural depictions of British monarchs, which is appropriate here. Verbcatcher (talk) 18:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: But most of them are English monarchs, not British monarchs.Dimadick (talk) 23:51, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a contradiction between the list articles and the categorisation. List of British monarchs excludes List of English monarchs, but :Category:British monarchs includes :Category:English monarchs. You could discuss this conflict at Wikipedia:WikiProject British Royalty.  However, we are discussing Wikipedia:Categorization, and :Category:Cultural depictions of English monarchs is a subcategory of :Category:Cultural depictions of British monarchs. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Agree with the last cmt. In general I'm fairly relaxed about what goes into "Category:Cultural depictions of Foo". Btw Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arts is aws dead as a dornail; only the VA one has much life left. Johnbod (talk) 18:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What constitutes a "Cultural representation"? 

message: Okay, hi! I'm really new to editing Wikipedia, so I'm sorry if this is totally the wrong place for this or if this is a subject that has already been discussed to death.
I've been using the "Go to a random page in :Category:All uncategorized pages" link in the Wikipedia:Task Center to add categories to a bunch of pages (I've probably made a couple of mistakes, I'm sorry if so!) and the majority of the pages coming up are uncategorized Template pages. I wanted to put a dent in this issue so I went to look at :Category:Wikipedia template categories, and it's... really confusing/overwhelming to look at. The Talk page is pretty dead (no new posts there since early 2022), so I came here to ask about it instead. Might there be some way to make this category less overwhelming to view/understand? It could be as easy as more clearly visually separating the first 5 items ("Wikipedia templates by...") from... the huge list of random templates.
I just wanted to raise it because clearly keeping on top of categorizing Templates is a bigger issue than categorizing Articles, and making it easier/more approachable might lead more people to contribute to this task!
Thanks for your time everyone :) KRKwrites (talk) 03:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Templates are a very mixed bunch,and I think it's probably more important, as well as simpler, to categorise articles. It might be best to just look at the category :Category:All uncategorized pages and pick out the real articles to work on. PamD 06:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: And it looks as if WP:Petscan ignores templates, by default, so searching on "All uncategorized pages" gets 107 hits.  (I thought PetScan was something terribly technical until I actually looked at it and found how simple it is to use!) PamD 07:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough! I'm certainly happy to give Petscan a shot. I was just asking because I was thinking I'd be down to go categorize a bunch of templates if that would be useful, but if categorizing articles would be more helpful I'll do that instead :) KRKwrites (talk) 08:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not sure if this is the right place for this, but just wondering about something! 

message: An editor has been actively pursuing against the presence of dependent territories on Wikipedia. A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:Categorization#Macau. Please share your comments to what has happened. 113.52.112.27 (talk) 14:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I and @Marcocapelle have patiently explained to you that your handling of dependent territories is incorrect. And for the record, this is the same IP who has been blocked for edit warring Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive480#User:185.104.63.112 reported by User:Smasongarrison (Result: Blocked) Mason (talk) 15:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dependent territories 

message: Quite a few WP:CFD discussions have been closed as listify and delete, these are listed At WP:CFDWM. Who can help making this happen? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There's also a few that closed as delete, but still exist. For example, the report Wikipedia:Database reports/Self-categorized categories still has , which I sent to CfD at 22:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

text: *  there is apparently in delay in processing the list on Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Working and that is really unfortunate because only admins can process these. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:37, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listify 

message: I would like to request an option to allow individual category members to be annotated with descriptions or comments so they give clear context or elaboration for any specific entry. This would not only make it clear for the readers to learn why that page name was assigned to that certain category, but it would also save some categories being considered for deletion.  For example, consider :Category:Super Bowl MVPs. In this case, it would be better to list the Super Bowls that player's page name ("PAGENAME") received the Super Bowl MVP in parentheses: PAGENAME (#). For example: if PAGENAME was Troy Aikman who was the MVP of Super Bowl XXVII, then it would be like this: Troy Aikman (XXVII). Here, this means that Troy Aikman was the MVP of Super Bowl XXVII.
Abhiramakella (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The category system does not support that. One alternative is to have a stand-alone list article. Because it would be a manually-written article, it could be formatted in any way and include whatever details and links are desired. We have a nice table in Super_Bowl_Most_Valuable_Player_Award#Winners that could be extracted and reformatted (you can already sort it by name if you like). Do we have a category MOS relating to use of a more-detailed/alternately-organized list in the header of a category itself? Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates for a comparison of these methods. DMacks (talk) 18:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If so, then why not have categories as stand-alone lists (Creating a template that combines both category and stand-alone list templates together ())? Abhiramakella (talk) 18:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates for a comparison of these methods." There are pros and cons to each method, including technical, philosophical, reader-facing, and editor-related ones. Note that the category-as-list comment was added after this response of mine.) DMacks (talk) 18:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose: Allow individual category members to be annotated with descriptions or comments 

message: You are invited to join a discussion about history of CFDS at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#History of instruction changes of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of instruction changes of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy 

message: Skilled categorizers, your input is welcome at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Shakespeare#Ola_Ince. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming a new cateogory 

message: FYI  has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 04:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: {{template|Cat topic year}}