Talk:Efim Geller

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: It seemed unnecessary to leave the reference to Geller's Jewish origin as part of this; it has nothing to do with any of his considerable accomplishents.Hushpuckena (talk) 10:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would love to know why this user felt this way.  Virtually every chess biography, when mentioning a player's nationality, will include a one word of mention of "Jewish" if applicable. (Or "African-American" or whatever else)  In fact, forget chess; this is true of virtually all biographies on Wikipedia, period.  Added this one word back.  ChessPlayerLev (talk) 04:10, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins

message: It would be good if we could get a reliable source for these.  Using http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=15712 is not guaranteed to be accurate, and we have several discrepancies between the "Beating the best" and the "Lifetime scores" sections. Quale (talk) 21:18, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've made some changes, per stats at Chessgames.com and eliminated some draws in Geller's numbers as doubles, which became obvious upon reviewing the games in question. Hushpuckena (talk) 04:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifetime scores 

message: After doing some preliminary research on records, here is what I found;
Geller's Record Against World Champions
Player            	Chessgames	365chess	
Mikhail Botvinnik*	+4-1=8    	+4-1=3  	
Bobby Fischer*    	+5-3=2    	+5-3=2  	
Tigran Petrosian* 	+5-3=33   	+5-3=33 	
Vasily Smyslov*   	+11-8=37  	+8-8=36 	
Boris Spassky*    	+6-10=23  	+5-11=22	
Mikhail Tal*      	+6-6=24   	+6-6=22 	
Overall, it's a mess, and in some cases, different than either score cited in the article.  Things I'm sure of:
#Everyone at least agrees on his Fischer record.  Thank God for small favors!
#A rare agreement from both sources on Petrosian.  It's different than the present ones, but that likely resulted from confusing Tigran Petrosian with another Soviet Armenian GM, the later A Petrosian, who Geller did beat once, on top of his victories over Tigran Petrosian. 
#Geller didn't beat Spassky more than 6 times, and Spassky didn't beat him more than 10 times.  Other than that, more research is needed.
#Geller definitely beat Botvinnik 4 times, and definitely lost to him 1 time.  The number of draws is highly variable, though.
#Geller definitely beat Tal 6 times and lost to him 6 times, as presently stated in the article. Unfortunately, it's not clear exactly how many draws he had with him. 
#The Smyslov section is a complete mess!  At least we know Smyslov beat him 8 times...  ChessPlayerLev (talk) 03:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As you'll see, I've updated things a little. The source 365chess.com is most useful, but in my experience these DBs copy mistakes from one source to another, so long as the game score is legal. There's a game of mine on CG.com that was listed with the wrong Ivanov as my opponent until I finally got them to put it right, and the site chesstempo.com has several games credited to me that I didn't even play! Hushpuckena (talk) 04:54, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Table for Record Discrepancies