Talk:Website builder

message: Here are links to sites that tell how to create web pages:
http://www.havingmyownwebsite.net/easy-to-set-up-websites.aspx Setting up a Website
http://2createawebsite.com/ 2 Create a Website
http://good2gowebdevelopments.com.au
Disclosure: The first one I myself created and have been updating for the last 3 years.
It makes sense to me to explain how to build a website, and this seems like a good place to put such links. Webmaven 20:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedia, so links to tutorials and how-tos are rarely going to be strongly relevant to articles here.  When they are relevant, we want to make sure they do not violate WP:SPAM and WP:EL.  I don't feel such links would be appropriate for this article at all, since the topic is software applications for building websites and any how-to would have to be specific to a single application.  Secondly, the links above seem too commercial.  Even if they were not so commercial, there are other articles written by notable experts that would be far better to include. --Ronz 20:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I found this page in a horrible state, and have made some clean-ups---in particular, by cutting out dead-weight and problematic statements. Please re-introduce material only with care.
I strongly feel that this article can be further improved, but I do not have the time to take it the full distance.
Michael Eriksson (talk) 22:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up 

message: As I'm working in a hosting company where we use mostly open source software, I find the first category, as defined in the incipit, a little out of place and maybe NPOV...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.93.128.32 (talk) 10:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: first category: online PROPRIETARY tools?

message: I am researching website builders for a project and I'm finding this page to be inaccurate and basically useless. It does not reflect the state of things as they are nowadays. Perhaps I will try to rework it at some point.
John L. Kenney (talk) 16:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is terrible 

message: I do agree that there is quite a bit that can be said about this article. In short, my criticism of the current article content would be:
* entire sections about offline website builders overlap with the article about HTML editors. These should at least be shortened, cleaned up and referred to the better written article.
As far as hosted (on-line) website builders are concerned;
* the article only mentioned a few (not even the biggest)
* whether companies provide examples of what sites made with their software look like is not very relevant. instead, most (with the exception of 1 or 2) offer free trials.
* the range of services ("anywhere between creating basic personal web pages or social network content (Widgets) to making complete business/e-commerce websites") is too general and in-accurate. widgets do not constitute social network sites, but are plug-and-play features.
* the fact that online website builders are easy to use, does, yes, make them accessible to beginners, but also provides high-productivity tools to advanced users (which went unmentioned).
* discussion of HTML vs. Flash contains factual inaccuracies, is out of date and not needed in this context. If it is available elsewhere, we'd better link to that.
* "Off-line web builders cater to professional web designers" is biased and unsourced, and in fact largely contradicted in the discussion of the HTML Editors page.
* "Modern off-line web builders are usually both WYSIWYG and allow direct editing of source code and cascading style sheets (CSS) styling" is meaningless because so do many hosted solutions. It is not a feature specific for either.
* "They are more flexible than on-line builders, but may be expensive to buy." is biased and unfounded. Many of the hosted solutions offer a flexibility that is on par with HTML editors. (putting on flame-proof suit) How can they not if they offer direct HTML and CSS editing???
I am suggesting a thorough rewrite to get this article to be useful for readers. 
I've invested time in a first draft, which lives at my userpage - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Skcommunity/Draft_rewrite_Website_builder
All comments are welcome there. 
Skcommunity (talk) 13:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism and suggested rewrite 

message: It is inappropriately to present 3 website builders in the article. There are more than hundred website builders. And those that are displayed here are not the best representatives. Finding out the best is a disputable issue as there are no trustworthy comparison methods. It looks like advertising now. I suggest either to remove those 3 website builders or add other representatives to the article.Botifar (talk) 10:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website builders list 

message: So many inaccuracies. Needs to be completely re-written.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.199.81 (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is woeful