Talk:Taras Shevchenko

message: The translation that stood until 25 November seemed to scan and rhyme. The one we have since doesn't, nor is it very good English. As a word-for-word, it's fine, but to me half the appeal of Shevchenko is the elegant, understated way he uses the common language in the common rhythms of folk poetry. How would everyone feel about changing back to the versified version? As an alternative, would anyone like to collaborate on a new, made-to-order verse translation? Comments from User:Shrooms546 are especially welcomed, if unlikely. eritain 06:54, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting that the new translation present now is sliughtly incorrect. It talks about "tyrant's blood" while original talks about "enemies' blood". This kind of narrows Shevchenko's protest to some single person of Russian tzar or Polish king or any other ruler, while he actually refered to freedom from all kind of enemies, without being narrowly specific. 176.195.106.197 (talk) 01:32, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's "tyrants' blood", which is the plural, not the singular, in English. This is the best translation I've ever found in that it does justice to the mood and tone of Shevchenko's poem. There are a few wishy-washy attempts by other translators who have some status, but they don't capture the overall understated power and sense to any degree. We can't change a couple of words from the official translations to satisfy what we'd consider to be a better translation as that would be original research. Just compare this version against the other on this page and tell me I'm wrong. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:21, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Zapovit'

message: Added Trivia, I thought it was cute (new order is one of my fave bands). Mariah-Yulia 04:47, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: According to maps of Kharkiv (Google Map of Kharkiv), the Shevchenko Park is less than 1 km², which doesn't beat the 20 or so parks listed in Urban park, and these are only some of the largest park in North America only. I've removed the invalid claim that it's one of the largest urban parks in the world. --Romanski 13:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shevchenko Park claim 

message: Was he taught by a dyak? If so, I just realized that we don't even have an article for such a position. Dyak doesn't even mention the position at all, and cantor is woefully inadequate.--tufkaa 22:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, you are fully correct.  I just did not want to create a one sentence article about dyak.  If you can, please do so.  Regards, --Riurik 15:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Precentor]]?

message: If memory serves me correctly, there is a statue of him at the Winnipeg Legislature?  Anyone confirm?
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Manitoba Historical Society has info at the following: http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/pageant/07/newmonument.shtml Okinasevych (talk) 06:17, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winnipeg Monument 

message: I suggest to move information on the accident with the monument in Oakville, Ontario to the article Oakville, Ontario. There is info on the monument already (Was. Somebody nicely removed it. Will restore.). I find in a bit inappropriate to keep it here - the main article on poet where only a general type information should be kept. Any objections?--Bryndza 19:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure this accident even belongs to Oakville, Ontario article but not this one for sure. If someone ever writes a separate article about the monument, that would be the place for the info. --Irpen 23:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Taras Shevchenko monument in Oakville, Ontario could be used for the article's title should anyone be interested to write an article. If a better title pops up later, the article could be moved. If we have this article, the monument is definitely worthy of its own article. --Irpen 00:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stolen Monument

message: Hi I'm now responsible in translating the article in ZH version and mainly rely on EN version. I know chuchu Russian and learn something quite strange that the RU article doesn't mention about the freedom bought by Karl Briullov in 1838 but studying in Vilnius University. I stop reading farther and just want to know what makes the difference. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between English version and Russian version 

message: According to the article he was... Was he never bought free? And if so by who? This need to be corrected IMO cause the way the article is now it looks he was a serf of Russian aristocrat lord Pavel Engelhardt all his live. — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 13:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There used to be info about it in the article. Is this info still corect? I surley hope it wasn't removed becuase he was freed by Russians and not by Ukrainians.... If that was the reason then that is truly said... — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 13:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was a serf of Russian aristocrat lord Pavel Engelhardt all his live? 

message: Hello! There may be an error in Taras Shevchenko's wikipedia page. That page contains specimen of 1,000,000 karbovanets banknote with T.Shevchenko's image. The underwritten statement is then referring to that specimen of a banknote as 'Taras Shevchenko on the current 1000000 karbovanets banknote'. I've got trouble about that 'current' thing. Karbovanets has been replaced with hryvnias a long time ago. Thank you for your attention and consideration.46.202.233.69 (talk) 10:55, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taras Shevchenko's wikipedia page 

message: I started to clean this entry up, only to discover that it is in desperate need of some serious reworking simply to give it a semblance of coherency in the English language.
My apologies for sounding brusque about the state of this entry but, considering that Shevchenko is a pivotal presence in the history of the Ukrainian language and Ukrainian identity, it reads as an amateurish cleanup of a bot translation. Not only is it awkward to read, but it doesn't even retain any tense, merely jumping from the past to the present tense from one sentence to the next.
I don't want to tread on anyone's toes by overhauling it without consulting with anyone, but it truly is in a shocking state. Could someone please direct me to a senior editor who could assist me with this process? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:25, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I can try and help. I am actually Ukrainian and I can speak English so I might be able to help.I'm always ready to help. NataliyaKlymko (talk) 17:46, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  This entry for Taras Shevchenko is in desperate need of blue pencilling! 

message: Ukrainian or Russian? Or Russian-Ukranian? May be Ukranian-Russian?..
The most of his arts and private (intimate) diary this man wrote in Russian language. May we exclude his creativity from the Russian culture?
I think he was both Russian and Ukrainian great writer.
--= APh =-- (talk) 09:48, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, yes. We've heard the 'diary written in Russian' argument before. Indeed, we do exclude him from Russian culture. Have you actually read his seminal works (written in Ukrainian). Had you read "Kobzar'" pre-dating the redacted and reworked version published in the Soviet Union, you'd be aware of how many references made to his hatred of the Moskal'. Would that suggest to you that he considered himself to be Russian? Follow reliable sources, not your own original research. Growing up and having to find patronage in the Russian Empire did not, under any stretch of the imagination, make him Russian. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 10:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Shevchenko was Russian, working in Moscow and wrote in Malorossian (Small Russian). Even Kobzar was spelled with Russian (Ъ aka 'ER'). "Ukraine" formed in Austro-Hungary since 1880 by indoctrination and physical termination of Russians, who refused to take side of Franz Joseph (Thalerhof, Teresin). The 'Ъ' never was added to it, but 'Ь' ('ER’ ') was changed to 'soft sound' by Poles (Poland) in 1890 on the territory of Austro-Hungary. Russian language was in contrast reformed in 1920. Shevchenko's works were translated(!) into Ukrainian only during USSR around 1927+, as the "mutated Russians" (Ukrainians) were physically pushed out by Poles after Russo-Polish war 1920-1922 into Russian territory.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.1.158.183 (talk) 12:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukrainian or Russian? Or Russian-Ukranian? May be Ukranian-Russian?.. 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I visited Moscow in 2019. I happened to walk by a monument to Taras Shevchenko and got a picture. It was about a block from the Hotel Ukraina (also called the Radisson Collection Hotel). I suppose Google Maps would tell me what street the monument is on, but of course I don't know when it was put up or anything else. Does anyone have more information on this monument? Never mind, a look on Google Maps shows that I photographed a different (and much smaller) monument than the main one, which is across from the front of the Hotel Ukraina/Radisson Collection Hotel. The monument I photographed is of an angel riding a horse with a mermaid's tail. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 01:10, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current monument in Moscow 

message: Since Taras Shevchenko wrote in Ukrainian and Russian, both languages should be mentioned. But someone keeps deleting this sourced reference.
--2001:718:1E03:5128:D512:F42F:E7B1:AEFD (talk) 19:02, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taras Shevchenko wrote in Ukrainian and Russian. 

message: Is  correct? Why isn't Тарас tɐˈrɑs? And how is Леся Українка pronounced? Espoo (talk) 17:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: I intend to get the article to GA, and will start (as I usually do) by checking and organising the references and cutting back unneeded information. As the References section is in a complete mess, I'll be bold and rebuild it  using the Harvard referencing system. Amitchell125 (talk) 17:52, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: References