Talk:Franco-Provençal

message: The right orthograph should be "francoprovençal" (not with "-") as preconised by the linguists since the 60's. Anyone can make the change ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.10.137.84 (talk) 20:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthograph 

message: The label « Franco-Provençal » (or « Francoprovençal ») has been used since the late 19th century to identify this language in published articles. (Native speakers informally identify their language as « Patois » or « Sarde » if asked, in my experience working primarily in the Chautagne, Bugey, and Albanais areas.) However, many passionate regionalists strongly feel, with some justification, the label « Franco-Provençal » is unsatisfactory because the language is neither French (Oïl) nor Occitan (Oc) nor a hybrid. Many of these regionalists have adopted label « Arpitan », rooted in the native word for the Alps, to identify the language. (See the Swiss website: <http://www.arpitania.ch>.) However, the label « Arpitan » has yet to be adopted by scholarly journals, major publications on linguistics, or governmental organizations.
:It is now official in ISO 639-3. See Ethnologue. Thnidu (talk) 06:03, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re : Franco-Provençal (Francoprovençal) : 

message: Franco-Provençal Dialect List: Classification of Franco-Provençal dialect divisions is challenging despite regional similarities. Each canton and valley uses its own vernacular without standardization. Difficult intelligibility among dialects was noted as early as 1807 by Grillet.
France
* Bressan
* Burgondan
* Dauphinois
* Forèzien
* Jurassien
* Lyonnais
* Savorêt
* Savoyard	Switzerland
* Genevois 
* Fribourgeois
* Neuchâtelois
* Valaisan 
* Vaudois	Italy
* Faetar (Faitare)
* Valdôtain (Valdotèn)	Transitional Dialects (France)
* Charolais  (Franco-Provençal → Langue d'Oïl)
* Mâconnais  (Franco-Provençal → Langue d'Oïl)
Charvex 07:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dialect List section prior to rewrite: 

message: From friends who often visit the town of Bourg-en-Bresse I have heard that in the Bresse region the local dialects are still widely used, even among young people. Can anybody confirm that? Unoffensive text or character 09:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bresse 

message: A lot of people aren't happy with the name "Franco-Provençal": Francoprovençal, Arpitan, and Romand have been proposed. How about a move? "Franco(-)provençal" isn't the best since this language is neither French or Provençal, nor a hybrid dialect of the two. This name only leads to confusion and problems. Romand is better but is only used in Switzerland and so leaves the languages speakers in France and Italy on the side. Arpitan on the other hand represents all speakers, doesn't identify it with any unrelated languages, and is recognised by the speakers themselves (while it is constantly gaining wider acceptance in the greater community). I therefore propose that this page be moved to Arpitan language. ChrisDHDR 17:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As author of most of this article, I am strongly opposed to a Move for several reasons, but primarily because the name « Arpitan » is not supported by any published work on linguistics in the English language. (There is not even consensus about how it should be spelled: « Arpitan », or « Arpetan » as someone forced through for InterWiki links.) More of my reply is at: User talk:ChrisDHDR, under the heading: « Move ». Best regards, Charvex (talk) 23:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ethnologue now uses "Arpitan". See also above. --Thnidu (talk) 06:05, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: I am not aware of ANY reliable printed source – not one – that supports the name « arpetan » (with an E). ——— The spelling « arpitan » (with an I) is mentioned only in passing in a couple of reliable sources to my knowledge, and only as a secondary name or as a footnote. The main heading for the name of this language is « Franco-Provençal » in all reliable sources, including Dalby (2000) cited in the article, and Kloss's « Linguistic composition of the nations of the world », published by Laval University (p. 327) found here. Both « arpetan » orthographies simply are not a standard reference names for this language. ——— I am aware that passionate individuals and Wiki Bots are running rampant through Wikipédia making changes, but they have no basis. This is completely contrary to more than 130 years of published, scholarly literature. Charvex (talk) 04:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supposed orthography: « arpetan » 

message: Time takes its toll on old Swiss language, swissinfo.ch, Oct. 20, 2010.
‘  .  .  .  Traditionally there has been something of the idea that these dialects, commonly referred to as patois, are “bad French” – a notion which Andres Kristol, director of the dialectology centre at Neuchâtel University, describes as “evidently absurd”.
‘Our old language is as interesting and as well formed as Romansh in Graubünden, for example,” he told swissinfo.ch - adding that it is also as different from French as Romansh is.  .  .  ’
:and some other good stuff in the article, too.   FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 19:55, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  excellent article on Oct. 20, 2010 

message: * Object to RMTR speedy move This was already suggested on the talk page, where it has already had opposition lodged to it, therefore it is not uncontroversial. Thus it does not qualify for a speedy move. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 04:39, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:05, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from RMTR speedy moves

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Support since Arpitan is both the endonym and the named referred to by Ethnologue. --Article editor (talk) 05:55, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

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message: Le mot français issu du latin hospitalis est hôtel, non hôpital. Hôpital est un mot savant, c'est à dire artificiel, refait sur le latin et ne peut être comparé dans le cadre des évolutions linguistiques présentées ici. stefjourdan  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.172.236.231 (talk) 10:02, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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message: Would anyone oppose moving the article from Franco-Provençal to Francoprovençal? I understand it would be a good compromise in relation to those who favored moving the article to "Arpitan" saying the form with the hyphen suggests the language is actually a blending of two other languages (French and Provençal). And, as the article itself states, "Suppression of the hyphen between the two parts of the language name in French (francoprovençal) was generally adopted following a conference at the University of Neuchâtel in 1969". Arrasarro (talk) 14:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Francoprovençal (without the hyphen) 

message: You expanded the phonology section a couple of years ago, and also made this edit. It seems that you're description is about a specific variety of Franco-Provençal. Can you specify in the text which one it is? This will help to clarify the passage that is not just confusing for @, but also for me. Austronesier (talk) 23:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, yes. I had just added some sources that list the popular dialects of Val d'Aosta, Savoyard, and Lyon in which the two vowel sounds exist as distinct phonemes. Fdom5997 (talk) 02:25, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonology