Talk:Francis Stuart

message: The opening sentence of this article - 
'Francis Stuart (1902-2000) was a prolific Irish writer whose novels have a thrusting modernist iconoclasm.'
- means almost nothing, but insofar as it means anything, it's POV and therefore not for this site.  I recommend it be rewritten as follows:
'Francis Stuart (1902-2000) was an Irish writer.'
Likewise, in this bit -
'The first of these lines is accepted as referring to Iseult and the second to Stuart.'
- the phrase 'is accepted as referring to' is weasel wording.  Who accepts it?  I am aware that these lines are supposed to refer to Stuart and Iseult, but we need a citation in which somebody goes on record as saying so.  Likewise, 'both he and his wife struggled with personal demons and their internal anguish poisoned their marriage' is meaningless unless there are citations proving that this was so; it's not enough to make a vague references to Stuart's novels, which are after all novels and not autobiographies.
The para on Stuart's alleged anti-Semitism is confused; it quotes an arguably anti-Semitic remark of his, then says 'However' and quotes another one, as if this somehow contradicted the previous one, as opposed to supporting it.  
Surely it doesn't need to be pointed out yet again that wikipedia is not the place to assess people's work or personalities.  We can report on other people's recorded assessments of Stuart, but he is not to be either attacked or defended in this article.  IMPO he was a terrible writer, an anti-Semite and a crypto-fascist, but I'm not going to use this article to say so, any more than somebody else should use it to try to prove that he wasn't.  
Finally, I know he wrote a lot of novels and most of them are out of print, but it can't be impossible to name more than one of them.  The 'Works' section is a small disgrace.  Lexo 12:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not edit the article: the discussion page isn't really for criticizing articles, if you have a problem, change it, if someone disagrees with you change and wants to change back, then the discussion page should be used! Notjim 15:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I will have a go at copyediting the article, having had a lot of practice since I posted the above complaints.  The article is clearly written from a very pro-Stuart viewpoint; I myself am not an admirer of Stuart as a person or as a writer (I am one of those left-liberal, tolerant, humanistic believers in democracy that he couldn't stand) but I believe in the importance of WP:NPOV.  I will not be editing the article to be anti-Stuart, only to make it more neutral.  Lexo (talk) 14:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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message: ...both he and his wife struggled with personal demons
:For the sake of clarity, could you spell-out whether this means, drink, drugs or sexual promiscuity? Valetude (talk) 23:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the above, probably. Stuart's father was an alcoholic and Stuart's spectacularly abusive behaviour towards Iseult during their marriage was obviously bottle-adjacent, and they were a rackety pair all round and there's a reason why Iseult died of heart disease at only 59. It would be interesting to know more about exactly how and why Stuart, an indifferent hack writer whose works are not surprisingly out of print, and furthermore a Nazi sympathiser and Abwehr asset who broadcast propaganda for the Third Reich during the Second World War, was chosen for high honours by the Irish state in 1996, to have a golden torc placed around his neck by the Irish president, and why only one member of Aosdana voted against it. Like the heartfelt visits of de Valera and the crippled Hyde (who really had to make an effort in the circumstances) to express to the German ambassador their deep sorrow at the death of Adolf Hitler (and Hyde's strenuous and most deliberate visit was kept a state secret for half a century precisely because it revealed Hyde's true politics all too clearly), it's not exactly surprising, if you know anything about the Irish state, but it is, all the same, a bit odd. Khamba Tendal (talk) 20:00, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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