Talk:Paul Potts

message: http://sonybmg.co.uk/artists/paul_potts/
apparently "One Chance" has been released by Sony BMG
also it notes this as being his official site;
http://www.paulpottsuk.com/
"suk" I guess means like Sony UK?
in there there seems to be some official news of his work as an amateur
:Or Paul Potts UK... Andymc 22:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: First album?

message: It seems to me (and I have watched the whole story develop) that this article started from the info found on the Bath Opera website. This, I believe was written in 1999. It refers to events that were then planned in Paul's future. It must be noted that any amateur opera company is going to 'big up' the C.V.s of its performers. This wiki article has kept the part about LPO. It is misleading to say that Paul has performed for LPO. Having read this article http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007280255,00.html it would be far more accurate to say he has performed with an orchestra which included six members of LPO. In fact the more you think about it, the more it seems to me that it is totally relevant. Should perhaps look into the backgrounds of all the other orchestra members at that performance, and would it be relevant? I think not! Myredroom 11:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original sources of information

message: Would you like to buy a cell phone?  Bcameron54 04:05, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  profesional singers frequently have to have side jobs until they have a big break, harlock_jds 04:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Amateur or professional?

message: In real life I am a Judge in Portugal, I normaly conduct a trial based on a FACT view and not on OPINION
The info on Paul Potts is at best uterlly misleading, biased, and would be a cause for slandering charges in my country.
The definition Amateur aplies to this gentleman.
The article is "implying" unrealitty.
His bacground is not accuratly portraid, and again MISLEADING
This are the "facts" that I see on on this article based on my professional view.
Sugestion: stick to the facts, and present an acurate Curriculum Vitae of the named person.
Deepbluewolf 14:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing you can say about Deepbluewolf is that he has a sense of humor! Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Please sign your posts by striking the tilde key four times. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flabbergasted.... 

message: Was his parents tripping when they named him? ;) ;) ;)  CHANDLER    17:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  His name 

message: I read somewhere that his phone job was temporary or that he hasn't been there for very long. Can anyone verify?
::Also I heard he was a running lib democrat???
He hadn't been at the job very long, but there isn't any deception, he worked at tesco before that.
Wll do you have any sources, anon?  11:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phone job was temporary? 

message: Would it be relevant to add that he will be repairing his teeth?
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article1948408.ece
: not in the slightest! Myredroom 14:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New teeth 

message: I've semi-protected the page for now to end the edit war between anonymous IP's. Please discuss the proposed changes and issues here, on the talk page, instead of trying to solve things via an edit war. MastCell Talk 18:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: How lucky Paul is to have fan sites up and running.No matter how good or how crappy they are, thay all add to publicity and people should understand that. My site,  is not official, and likewise it doesn`t state that. But then again, it is no different to wikipedia or Myspace, who profit from other peoples good fortune. Grow up and stop surpressing freeddom of speech.
: I would just like to add to the above comment regarding fan sites that have been set up for Paul. Individuals who set up MYSPACE accounts for Paul DO NOT make profit from other people's good fortune. Not all myspace fan sites (I can only speak for my own) set up for Paul are out to make a profit or make any claims at being official. The official sites are listed on the main page, so i'd appreciate if you didn't put our MYSPACE page in the same category as the websites out to make a profit on Paul's name. Thank you. 
There are currently four fan sites in this article. There is no evidence that any of them are official, even then one calling itself 'paulpottsofficial'. Accordingly, could someone please remove them all, and only link to sites that are known to be official, or to reputable sites such as newspapers, etc. 84.9.37.253 19:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was coming here exactly to make this comment. As I now know I am not the only one who feels this way, I will remove all of the fansites. J Milburn 19:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And as you were doing that, I was too, and would have removed exactly the same ones.  I've added a comment/reminder to read WP:EL before any external links are (re)added.  As a point of information, the external links issue is the reason for the semi-protection, which was added two IPs couldn't agree which fansite should be first in the list of external links and kept reverting each other without discussion... another candidate for Wikipedia's lamest edit war.  Bencherlite 19:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure there are lamer.... At least the warring parties had something to gain out of it. Anyway, could you please unprotect now, this is a somewhat current topic, and lots of new users will want to contribute. 84.9.37.253 20:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There certainly are :) - as for unprotection, you'll need to ask the admin who applied the protection (see above), as I can't do that. Bencherlite 20:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. Bencherlite 20:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User Antmccarthy keeps adding it back 84.9.37.253 20:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crappy third party websites 

message: I believe I knew Paul as an undergraduate student at the College of St. Mark and St. John, Plymouth, from 1992-93 (I was in the first year of my course and he was in the final year of his).  I heard him sing and had a few chats with him.  As I recall, his two passions were music and politics.  He had plans to compete in Eisteddfods and develop his singing as a very serious and committed amateur.  But as I recall, he certainly wasn't contemplating going professional; he was motivated by his desire to sing, not to make money out of singing.  From my memory of Paul (admittedly this was fifteen years ago), if he's claimed to have been singing as a hobby (albeit a very serious one) up until now, I have no reason to doubt it.  It sounds like Paul has had to deal with one or two pieces of pretty bad luck in his life since, and I'm very glad that things have worked out for him.  LDGE 21:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anecdotal recollection 

message: I would like to point out that the Bath Opera website is moving from 
www.bathopera.co.uk to www.bathopera.org, as noted on their old homepage at www.bathopera.co.uk.
I would suggest that someone who is able to edit update the links with the new URL. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.98.75.45 (talk • contribs).
::Or use Internet Archive. --213.216.199.6 10:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bath Opera - new website 

message: Why is there not more about Paul's life in England (not even referenced next to Bristol). He was a liberal democrat town councillor there and did not move to Wales until 2003. I notice also, that he is filed as a Welsh opera singer. Would he not be more appropriately classed as an English singer? Smacks a little of cultural thievery, as it appears to suggest he is Welsh.
Jaxkat 10:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is there not more information on his life in England? Because someone needs to add it, using proper sources! Please help if you can.  As for classification as Welsh/English/British, this can be difficult but depends on proper information in the article.  For example, someone can be born in Bristol of Scottish parents working in Bristol: Scottish or English, or British?  Here, Potts is said in the article to be "from" Port Talbot and "born" in Bristol.  If his links to Welsh are purely recent residence rather than family-based, I agree that Welsh categories (save "People from NPT") would be wrong.  Given what you say, I'll alter the categories that I applied yesterday and move him to British categories for now, unless and until we have further information in the article to justify a move to English/Welsh.  Bencherlite 12:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  How about the category 'People from Bristol, England'? Just as relevant, if not more so, wouldn't you say? He is FROM Bristol, He currently LIVES in Port Talbot. Why is this so difficult to convey correctly? If he moves to Italy to study, would you then say he is from Italy?86.128.225.151 09:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Categorization_of_people#By_residence.  "People from" isn't the equivalent of "Natives of" - all the "Natives of" categories have been deleted, and WP doesn't have categories such as "People who live / lived in X". You can have more than one notable residence in your life.  At present, he appears to pass the test for Port Talbot; there needs to be more in the article about his life in Bristol to establish notable residence - judging from other discussions here, that won't be too difficult when others add the material.  And, yes, if he moved to Italy for a sufficient length of time to make his residence there notable, he could be added to an appropriate "People from (Italian place)" category.  Studying at university / music college in a particular location is rarely enough, though, to make your residence there notable. Hope this makes sense. Bencherlite 09:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I can reference the 'councillor' statement from this article -http://news.independent.co.uk/people/pandora/article2675772.ece and will add more as I come to them. I have seen an article relating to his childhood in Fishponds (Bristol). I'll try to track that down. I admit to not seeing anything about his parentage. I don't want to start a debate on whether being born in a country constitutes a persons nationality. However, for example, we have Shirley Bassey born in Wales to English mother and Nigerian father classed as Welsh. Could this be a reference point in this instance? Probably not. Could open up a can of worms and I'm not really interested in anything other than a factual biography. I would like to add to the article but is/was protected. Until it is open again I will add new references here as I find them.
Jaxkat 15:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: This article http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007280255,00.html references his father Roland (bus driver)and his mother, Yvonne (Tesco cashier), two brothers and a sister. It mentions their growing up in Fishponds, Bristol. Nothing on parental nationality though.
Jaxkat 15:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading 

message: There are legal videos of all of Potts' performances on the show's website: http://talent.itv.com/ Perhaps they should be added to the article
These might not be available outside the UK. 84.9.37.253 23:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videos 

message: Whilst not official, paul potts has a very popular myspace page that has received almost 100,000 hits, with over 2000 friends, in less than a week (this is something il divo havent achieved in 3 years). Exclusive interviews from newspapers and video's are featured on this myspace, for those people all over the world that are not able to access the information because they are not in the UK. 
I dont claim the page to be official, i wouldnt even know who to ask, unlike the others which all say they are official and its actually Paul himself sitting by the computer all day long. This is a site where people from all over the world can come together and leave messages for Paul, and Paul, his wife and family are also very aware of this myspace page, his wife was one of the first people to leave comments.
All messages are passed onto Paul from this myspace page, and I ask if its possible to put this on his main wiki page for everyone to share.
Many Thanks.
http://www.myspace.com/paul_potts
: Would you mind asking him to provide the missing info we require to give an accurate biography for inclusion on this site. His myspace page is woefully short of accurate information. A good first question might be 'what nationality is he'?86.128.225.151 22:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia is not a site for personal biogs - it is based citable information in the public domain, not what people would like to be known about themselves. Myredroom 10:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Potts MySpace page 

message: Just out of curiosity, does anyone know/remember how many percent of the votes he received in the final? No need to put it on the main page, but I never saw the results. Were they even published? Cheers. --perelly 08:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Votes

message: Can anybody give an indication of when this article will be open for contribution? It is a hot topic at the moment and will no doubt attract many visitors in the very near future. It is, in my view (and others on this discussion board), inaccurate in its present form and requires considerable input from referenced sources. It also requires consistency in its presentation and grammar. I look forward to this article being opened for contribution sooner rather than later.Jaxkat 10:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From the history log: "18:09, 18 June 2007 MastCell (Talk | contribs) m (Protected Paul Potts: IP edit war in progress [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed] (expires 18:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: This date gives the impression that the show was televised live on that date. But according to BBC - Wales http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/music/sites/paul_potts/pages/biography.shtml, the program took place on March 17, 2007 and was broadcast on June 9, 2007. This info is now updated.
Leon2005 14:47, 2 Jul 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 9, 2007 

message: The article leaves the impression that but for a little bad luck he would be singing professionally in live productions of operas, which is far from the truth. Here are some responses (what i found just from Googling
: "Paul Potts" "opera-l" 
) by critics with more experience evaluating operatic voices than most, and i'd guess than the show's judges.
: http://listserv.cuny.edu/Scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0706c&L=opera-l&P=16034
: http://www.asingerslife.ch/blog/2007/06/18/paul-potts-final-winning-performance-with-nessun-dorma/
: http://operadaddy.blogspot.com/2007/06/britains-got-talent-and-ive-got-balls.html
--Jerzy•t 02:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negative reviews needed 

message: Oskopia 18:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercial link 

message: I'm a long-time fan of Wikipedia, but a new registrant.  I wish to learn the mysteries of HTML and how a page is put together.  Also, I wish to contribute, where I can, to the knowledge base.  I chose the Paul Potts article as my first go at helping fill in an article, and now see that it was a fortunate choice.  Being unable to do any editing, I was forced to fish around the help files to discover the trouble.  Along the way, I was introduced to a bit of the behind-the-scenes struggle of this site.  It is a primer in co-operation, or the lack thereof.
One thing I wished to do here, was to add a link to my blog about the ramifications of the Paul Potts story...how it is a microcosm of the human story and can be an inspiration to us all. This is part of a research project on the ideas of the success writing genre.  The URL for this site is 
http://www.thepaulpottsstory.com/  
It seems, though, that such a link may not be appropriate for Wikipedia (if I read the FAQ's correctly.)  Looking at the links that are listed, though, I see similar sites...one that even beams direct to an order form for Paul's album.  This is confusing.  Any light shed on this situation would help me to learn more about how Wikipedia operates and how to become a helpful part of the community.
Thanks for listening.  Don 23:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don, don't put up a link to your own site. It is bad form. If your site has relevant information, somebody else will link to it. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 07:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links question 

message: Okay, we really need a source for that statement. It reads: "He was a Liberal Democrat councillor in Bristol from 1996 to 2003." - Get a source for it or it'll, most likely, be removed. ScarianTalk 00:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hooah, no need to panic. I found two relatively vague references for it. They give the jist of the statement though and back it up fine. ScarianTalk 00:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lib Dem councillor

message: Could someone that is able to add in that the album has gone to Number 1 on the charts in New Zealand please.  Here is the the webpage of the official NZ chats http://www.rianz.org.nz/rianz/chart.asp It has been the number one since the 6th of August.
Makarauri 09:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status on New Zealand charts

message: I noticed that the article states that his career ended after a series of illnesses and a bike accident. This is untrue. According to an article on his official website, posted just two days ago, his career is far from over and he's still scheduled to tour Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Scandinavia next year.
http://www.paulpottsuk.com/news/2007/10/25/pauls_latest_canadian_interview_reuters  —Preceding unsigned comment added by EmperorNapoleon (talk • contribs) 06:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Might want to re-read that.--80.194.170.170 18:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career end rumour 

message: Is that a bad joke? I never thought of Pol Pot until I saw that reference in the article (and I'm supporting a family in Cambodia, I've been to Phnom Penh, I visited the killing fields). If it's a joke, I don't think it's funny. I don't see a need to have such reference in the article. Cheers. Julian  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliancoccia (talk • contribs) 11:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not to be confused with Pol Pot ?!? 

message: Under References
Item number 16
http://www.thepaulpottsstory.com/ 
Does not belong there.
There are much better fan sites out there.  
Why is that site listed at Wikipedia?
The Paul Potts Story was one of the first blogs about Paul. Furthermore, it is unique in that it talks about the social effect of and response to Paul Potts. The blog you recommend below (PaulPotts fanclub) is a late-comer and a purely commercial enterprise. That's why.Don (talk) 02:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam needs to be deleted at Wiki - Paul Potts 

message: Yes, add http://www.paulpottsfanclub.com/  this is the best fansite i know. :P  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.117.85 (talk) 04:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Paul Potts fansite 

message: The programme was shown last night, the interview can be seen here. There may be some material that could be used in the article, but please remember that linking to the YouTube video would be against our policy of not linking to copyright violations. J Milburn (talk) 16:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interview on ''When Britain First Had Talent'' 

message: On his blog at http://www.paulpottsuk.com/blog/2008/03/06/my_latest_news#comment_form , Paul states in his first March 2008 entry that he has officially resigned from Carphone Warehouse now.  Eight months since Britain's Got Talent...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.252.73 (talk) 12:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Potts resigns from Carphone Warehouse March 2008 

message: Can we please have these removed? Wikipedia is not, so far as I am aware, a site devoted to adverts. 82.69.28.55 (talk) 14:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. 123.243.72.161 (talk) 05:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed these to the current date, but someone restored them back to January (which are obviously not tour dates as they have passed).  I'm removing them again, and suggest the disagreeing editor (left message on their talk page) justify in talk why this outdated information should be replaced in the article.  --Faith (talk) 03:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed again. It's enough to mention he's on tour which we do. A link to an external site with the tour dates is a better idea. Exxolon (talk) 19:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tour dates?

message: can we please have Paul Potts described as English, rather than British?  I think you will be hard pressed to find an article about a Scottish person describing the nationality as British - so let's please have English people described as English too..
Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.182.184.113 (talk) 21:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: PP's birthplace is listed as kingswood the village in gloucestershire whereas he was actually born in kingswood in greater bristol  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.244.164.6 (talk) 10:26, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  birthplace 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I note that there was some debate about whether he should be classed as English or Welsh in the past, but the article is currently somewhat contradictory about this. The opening states "Paul Potts (born 13 October 1970) is a Welsh tenor", with two citations to support the claim. However it is in :Category:English tenors and not any Welsh categories. There is probably no easy answer to this, but I think as things stand it is silly to have the text and the categories pointing in different directions. Dunarc (talk) 20:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  English or Welsh