Talk:Bicycle messenger

message: Found some unsourced, definitely not NPV politics that someone added in and removed. Moved a good, sourced sentence up with another above.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.156.66 (talk) 02:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: did a little clean up

message: FearÉIREANN may be right, if we want another culture's perspective on the issue, would somebody please point a Chinese messenger to the wikipedia site?  --thewalrus
:You realise the Chinese have difficulty in viewing wikipedia? Mathmo Talk 15:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Older comments

message: I edited this page for grammar, added some reference and whole bunch of other stuff.  I tried to make the article more 'wikipedia', but I am not sure if I succeeded.  Somehow, no matter what I do, I still find the piece dissatisfying.  I welcome comments. Buffalo Bill, occasional London bicycle messenger & former Chair, London Bicycle Messenger Association, Editor, Moving Target, the London messenger 'ziiine 12:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More editing

message: Ok, i'm about to be bold and rewrite the introduction. The section about types of packages carried by bike messengers is untrue and gives an unrealistic impression of the service provided. the section on compensation is US-centric. and the general tone is POV. Frank duff 17:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro text 

message: This article needs serious NPOVing and de-americocentrising. FearÉIREANN 20:50, 6 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Ok, this article is in real need of some work. I'm a veteran of several rewrites in communication topics and I'm willing to give this page a shot.
BUT
I got a feeling that this might rub some folks the wrong way if I do it cold; so here is what I propose:
A tight intro with with a complete description of the job itself as well as ALL the various names in English for the trade worked in, and where those names are common 
The job, cultural icon status, fixed-gear bicycles issues, fashion and lifestyle aspects, the history and organisations, and the spots/competition topics need a separate section each. As it stands this is mixed together in a sort of Sunday supplement style of writing that has no place in an encyclopedia.
Other parts of the world with brief descriptions of similar services.
Some numbers from some major centers (if available) from three different dates (if possible) This last one's just gravy; if the stats can be found good, if not the article won't suffer much for not having them.
Comments? --DV8 2XL 01:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up 

message: The article mentions that a bike courier would carry a lock for their bike. But based on my experiences in Auckland this simply is not true. It is rare to see a bike being locked by a bike messenger (though of course commuters lock up their bikes). After my first day working I never even carried a lock on me. Is just a waste time and a wast of energy to carry a lock around. Of course somewhere else such as New York I wouldn't at all be surprised that it is totally different. Mathmo Talk 15:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I got sick of looking at this ' For further security, some messengers are known to paint their bikes in ugly, clashing colors to make them less attractive to potential thieves.' so I took it out.  In my experience, messengers might wrap their bikes in tape or rubber inner tubes, but rarely, if ever, re-paint their bikes to deter thieves.Buffalo Bill  talk to me 06:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Security 

message: Surely it can't that difficult to find or take a photo of a cycle courier actually riding on the road (the part for vehicle traffic) and not on the pavement/sidewalk (pedestrian area). LDHan 17:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found one. What do you think? Key to the city (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

text: True. But with this one you get more an impression of 'transportation'. Don't know how to say it. Someone else has an opinion on this?  or ? I don't want to be the only person deciding on this. Key to the city (talk) 11:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

text: For a laugh, what about this one?  Buffalo Bill  talk to me 12:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha. It is on the road, and it is a clear picture. I say go for it. Key to the city (talk) 12:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's copyright, but I know the photographer, so it can be done... Buffalo Bill  talk to me 14:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry lad, link is broken. Key (talk) 17:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think that one (working link here) would be good if it was cropped a bit closer. -SCEhardT 18:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: this one is excellent for me. Good depiction of 'transportation'. No copyrights? Key (talk) 18:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:   I have an email from the copyright holder releasing for CC non-com attrib.  SCEhardt, if I upload it, will you do the rest?  Buffalo Bill  talk to me 18:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I don't have access to the OTRS system - when you upload the file, pick the correct license and put the author's name as the source (use  this link). Then send a copy of the email to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org.  However, note that Wikipedia can only use photos released for commercial use and allowing derivatives, which means we only accept cc-by, cc-sa, and cc-by-sa. -SCEhardT 03:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I know how to upload a file and pick the right license,  I meant could you crop it.  Buffalo Bill  talk to me 09:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, sure, I'll be glad to crop it. -SCEhardT 15:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Lad? Buffalo Bill  talk to me 18:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, I use the word 'lad' all the time... Don't mean anything by it. Is there a problem with that word? Key (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's kind of a diminutive - sort of implies that you are older (which in Wikip I guess you are) than me.  No problem!  :-)  Buffalo Bill  talk to me 19:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, didn't know that it's a diminutive. I spend a while in Scotland, that's where I picked it up, they called me a lad all the time :) Good that you told me though, could have gotten me into trouble. Key (talk) 16:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  :-)  Buffalo Bill  talk to me 18:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New photo, riding on pavement/sidewalk 

message: This does not belong on the bicycle messenger entry!
::--Walking Messengers-- An important subset of the messenger industry(at least in areas with proper mass transit)is the walking messenger. Walkers perform the same basic duties as bicycle messengers but instead of riding a bicycle they ride mass transit and/or walk with their cargo.
Buffalo Bill  talk to me 16:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walking messengers 

message: Taken from the publication used for information on earnings:
:One in six of Cardiff messengers were women, the average age of messengers was twenty six years old and the average daily
wage for messengering in Cardiff in 2004 was about £45.
:One in four of the messengers surveyed in London were
women, the average age of those surveyed was twenty eight years old and the
average daily wage for messengering in London in 2004 was about £65.
As can be seen, there is no indication that the survey figures are gross or net.  I therefore reverted the edit referring to:
'A 2006 study stated that the average daily wage (before any deductions for income tax or national insurance contribution) of London bicycle messengers was £65 a day, and that of bicycle messenger in Cardiff was £45.'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buffalo Bill (talk • contribs) 15:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Working conditions - gross or net pay

message: Removed this
:::Some jurisdictions require the use of helmets and/or illumination equipment (i.e. head and tail lights) in low-light conditions.Alberta Traffic Act
Do all cyclists have to comply with this?  If so, not relevant in the messenger section.  If not, better citation required.Buffalo Bill  talk to me 22:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Helmets and lights

message: While there may be too many photos, the article could use a picture of a messenger actually riding. Any of these look useful? It's incredibly difficult to catch cyclists in motion, I spent some time trying and missed lots of potentially great photos. I've selected the best, all reasonably obvious they are messengers although with people copying the style, only the radio is a totally reliable indicator.
Image:Bicycle courier on Oxford Street, London.jpg|01
Image:Courier 547.JPG|02
Image:Courier 539.JPG|03
Image:Courier 0072.jpg|04
Image:Courier-459.JPG|05
Image:Bicycle-courier-337.JPG|06
Image:Chicago_couriers_1266.JPG|07
ProfDEH (talk) 13:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I like #5, although he looks more like a student than a courier? Thanks, Pete Tillman (talk) 14:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  number 3 is def not a messenger - I know him! Buffalo Bill  talk to me 19:31, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: A cited reference accredited "Joe Hendry" for an article from SFGate reporter Kathleen Pender, the reference is now corrected as well the entry is corrected to reference.
Department of Labor statistics referenced in the same paragraph were not linked to the DoL website or cited to / by / from (no source) DoL at referenced link (messmedia.org) After referencing DoL statistics I renovated this entry. DoL makes it clear that "independent contractors" are not included in industry subset statistics. Also, the employment statistics contained therein which would reference bicycle messengers that are classified as employees do not distinguish between foot, bicycle and motor vehicle messengers. Taking into account these facts there is no manner to accurately represent the number of bicycle messengers past, present or growth/decline in this industry subset utilizing DoL statistics. I moderated the reference to reflect that the DoL does not track the situation well rather than leave out the attempt at providing statistical data.
Please be careful with references, I see how the reference to Pender's article was in error by accident, but it was her work cited.
Thanks!````  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.23.89 (talk) 20:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Correction

message: Original citation citeweb (messmedia.org)  linked to article text modified from original and excluding author name, ignoring Congressional Quarterly / Governing Magazine copyright.
These citations to re-printed articles posted without regard to copyright or crediting the author of the article in citation or at linked website need to be corrected. Looks a little cliquish around here. If "messmedia" were a "unbiased media institute" then it should also recognize copyrights, not omit the authors name of articles that it posts onto it's own website and not be cited on wikipedia when it does not do those things. I thought the Pender mistake was a single error and the DoL stats a single error but it looks like all of the citations with "MIMA" need to be checked very closely.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.56.148 (talk) 18:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation reference corrected

message: Corrected several citations referencing articles but linking to unverifiable or copyright violating re-postings instead of referenced author or publisher available sources. See history  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.84.21 (talk) 20:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Further citation corrections

message: Citations referencing sites re-broadcasting copyright material have been completely corrected for now. Citations linked to transalt.org, messmedia.org, and others which reflect articles re-broadcast when the identical material is available directly from the publisher or the originating party e.g. The IFBMA are suspect as a reader must then verify that the information contained at the linked citation is actually a citable reference. Wikipedia is our chance to be accurate. Besides which, those citations that were corrected often material modified from the original (e.g. messmedia.org removing author name from re-broadcast article, messmedia.org modifying content of re-broadcast article without distinguishing from original article) this is incredibly unprofessional and anyone that actually uses these citations when referencing wikipedia would have been mistaken to cite these references themselves. good luck in the future, please be careful to properly credit author and publisher on article references.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.90.131.236 (talk) 20:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations almost completely updated

message: The equipment section states bag sizes of 50L  to 3000 cubic inches which is a mixture of units and is terribly poor form
68.148.118.155 (talk) 17:34, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equipment section 

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