Talk:LGBT rights in Iraq

message: The afd discussion mentions WP:POV issues with this article.  Can someone give me an example?  It sounds reasonably neutral to me. Jasmol 02:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: The one part of this other-wise well written article is the lack of cases, examples.  Unless I missed something, in criminal code it mentions laws that "could have" been used against LGBT Iraqis, but no statements that they have been.  I really think that, unless there are examples, or even a quote SAYING there have been usage of these laws against LBGT Iraqis, the argument presented by the article is entirely speculative. If there is an example somewhere in the article that I missed, the sentence I have mentioned should be changed from speculative to factual. Not a big problem, just makes it appear weak. JG of Borg 16:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cases 

message: I didn't believe this article had enough weight to support itsself and never would so that in brief is the reason I nominated it. I'd accept a "Gay rights in various countries" article before Gay rights in Iraq which only says "look at us" we are being discriminated against. Chooserr 23:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is certainly on the lightweight side, but a number of "Something in Somewhere" articles are pretty lightweight as well    .  Given that this article's little content was certainly specific to Iraq, I'm not sure that grouping would be appropriate.  --Bletch 00:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: I've moved content about HIV/AIDS out of this article into a separate article on HIV/AIDS in Iraq.  Information regarding HIV and AIDS that does not directly pertain to its affect on Homosexuals simply does not belong in this article. --Bletch 03:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved HIV/AIDS material into a separate article 

message: Article 111 of the Iraqi Penal Code - passed in 1969 - tolerated such killings if the defendant had 'honourable motives'. The law was amended in 2002 to allow 'honour' killings to be treated in the same way as murder. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/11/iraq.humanrights1  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.12.171.218 (talk) 08:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  honour killings 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: http://nymag.com/news/features/59695/index1.html  Jabberwockgee (talk) 20:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should things from this article be included? 

message: The person that wrote parts, or all, of this article is a raging, ignorant, moron. A complete pile of crud. Pan-Arabism and Ba'athism a branch of Sunni Islam???? Even the Syrian Ba'ath Party would've had some trouble pulling something like that off. Ba'ath originated in the philosophy of Michel Aflaq, a Syrian Christian, and it doesn't have any religious connotations. It is a secular ideology. Again, whoever wrote this, whatever their intentions, is a flaming pile of human shit. 
"As far as socialism, the economic policies, and those more in general looked more like Stalinism [14]" - What in the world is this supposed to mean!? It doesn't even make sense as a sentence. 
"Iraqi gays and bisexuals who lived in Iraq in the 1980s - 1990s have since reported that a Ba'athist crackdown on homosexuality and establishments known to function as gay bars took place in the 1990s. There is some speculation this was an attempt to appeal to his populace, however, a regime that on October 16, 2002 produced for itself a 100% turnout and a 100% vote in favour of another 7 years of Saddam Hussein as president, seems to have little need to suck up to its people [17]" - This confuses two concepts. First, the crackdown on homosexuality WAS probably to get grassroots support. The 100% vote was a political maneouvre to self-legitimize. Different concepts, albeit serving a similar purpose. Self-legitimization is useless without some level of popular support, even in a dictatorship. How braindead is the person that wrote this??? 
Whoever tried to torture the buttons on their keyboard by squirting out this crap, well, they've succeeded. The buttons are tortured and this is shit. All they're doing is weakening their own argument through fallacies.
Of course Iraq discriminated, and still discriminates, against homosexuals, but it equally discriminates, internally, against Shiites (by Sunnis), Sunnis (by Shiites), Kurds (by Arabs), Arabs (by Kurds) and so forth. But don't make a farce out of the politics of the area, fabricate facts and make correlations where there are none. 
Discrimination is there, true, it's very severe, true, but fabricating and exaggerating certain facts only destroys your own argument.
Sufitul (talk) 00:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you think the article is badly written, change it.  Jabberwockgee (talk) 01:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stupidity and ignorance 

message: I think that much of the content of this no doubt well intentioned Article is simply wrong when it refers to the legal position in Iraq.
It needs to be re-written from top to bottom. In the mean time I suggest that it revert to the version extant on 20 August 2009. I am posting this on the discussion page to explain why before I make any change.
Homosexuality is not 'decriminalised'in Iraq. It was never criminalised. Not before Saddam. Not under Saddam. Not subsequently. Not now.
Shari'a (Islamic law) is not a fixed code of law. It is not the law of Iraq. To say that "vigilantes have applied Sharia law" may reflect what such people thought that they were doing but it may also give the wrong impression that there is such a law to be applied in Iraq. There is not.
No constitution of Iraq has ever stated that the death penalty was to be applied for homosexuality - not the constitution of 1925 or that of 2005 or the interim constitutions of the 1950s, 1960s or 1970. The 1970 constitution was in force at the time of the fall of Saddam in 2003. It had been amended a number of times - but never in that way. The footnoted Amnesty International report (12) cited in support of this assertion mentions neither homosexuality nor the constitution.
The Revolutionary Command Council Resolution 234 of 2001 introduced the death penalty for non consensual sexual offences of rape and anal rape. It did not criminalise homosexuality.
The Coalition Provisional Authority did not legalise homosexuality in 2003 - they didn't have to (whether they would have cared to do so or not), it wasn't illegal.
Paul Bremer reverted the 1969 Penal Code to the state that it had been in in 1985 (a number of amendments having already been made between 1969 and 1985) and then he made a number of amendments to it. It did not go right back to the original 1969 version.
In addition I think that the content is straying too far from the topic which ultimately causes the reader to lose focus. The basic information should be (a) homosexuality is legal in Iraq; (b) LGBT people are persecuted outside the law and their persecutors are rarely if ever punished by the law - the meanderings of the present content to encompass flags, Palestine and Kissinger are off topic.
Unfortunately much of the content is not well written. The style lacks clarity.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.219.254.145 (talk) 13:07, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal Position 

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message: Can you please come to the talk page instead of edit warring? AcidSnow (talk) 23:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by [[User:Jllproductions]]