Talk:Lower Peninsula of Michigan

message: I have created a new map based on the dial pages of [Michiguide] in SVG format.  I feel that these regions are the most accurate.  Nobody will ever totally agree on what county or city belongs in what region, but this looks like the best compromise. MonkeyWrench32 08:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a great idea to break it out by county. You could also use cross hatching for counties that are borderline or that have a sub-region (for example, Huron County, Michigan + Sanilac County, Michigan = "The Thumb" might have diagonal lines but be the same color as Flint Tri-Cities) and you could have a small label or legend on the map that indicates the meaning of the cross-hatch style. MPS 19:02, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this map is a good compromise.  I also think it gets West Michigan right, since that region doesn't generally extend as far north as Ludington or Manistee (such as on the old map).  I also think that there should be a mention of the tension zone somewhere on this page.  This is a line that roughly extends from Manistee to Bay City and is well-known by geographers across the nation as a distinct geological and vegetational boundary, where the sandy soils and sub-boreal vegetation found in the north meet the southern vegetation in the south.  The existence of this boundary effectively determined settlement patterns in the state, and it might be worth mentioning here.triphook 18:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I like the map; I'm putting it in. Funnyhat 02:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I uploaded it onto Commons as :commons:Image:Lower Peninsula of Michigan map.png. Yassie 01:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice map. However, it should still reflect "The Thumb" and "Southern Michigan" regions. Ask anyone in Bad Axe if they are in the "Flint/Tri-Cities" area. They will say, no, we are in "The Thumb". Similarly, Coldwater is thought of as being in "Southern Michigan", not "Mid-Michigan".TRosenbaum 04:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed new map 

message: I find this conversation very interesting... For the Flint/Tri-Cities area, I would prefer to see Huron, Tuscola, and Sanilac counties renamed (The Thumb) as there is an article on that term. Secondly, Saginaw, Bay and Midland Counties should be regionalized as the Tri-Cities Region. I will be posting my recommendation in image format.  — Preceding undated comment added 03:23, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regions of Lower Michigan 

message: I don't think agreement on absolute regional
boundaries is possible without a strict definition
of "region". The concept of region is ambiguous --
it means different things to different people.
Have a look at how the ambiguous regional boundary
issue was resolved for the "Northwest Ohio" region.
The text lists counties that "are or may be" classified
as part of the region. The map uses different colors
showing counties that are included in the region
"always", "most of the time", and "least".
The Northwest Ohio region article even says
"Just like any other region, there is no universally
agreed-upon line for northwestern Ohio, as the entire
area is defined differently by the opinions of multiple people."
If we did something similar for Michigan, then we could argue
about which category or degree each city/county belongs in instead
of whether or not a city belongs in a region at all :)
The "regional fuzziness" disclaimer might be helpful too --
at least it acknowledges that the regional boundaries
are different for different observers. A con is that
this would require a different map for each region
(to show probability of inclusion in region) TRosenbaum 05:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are Regional "Probability" Definitions/Maps In Order? 

message: Residents of the Lower Peninsula of Michigan are called "Trolls" by residents of the Upper Peninsula.
This is a reference to the LP being directly south of, or under, the Mackinac Bridge; and the Norwegian fairy tale, Three Billy Goats Gruff, in which one of the characters is a Troll who lives under a bridge.
The article should be edited to include this humorous nickname for residents of the LP.
72.82.162.26 (talk) 15:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A verifiable source is needed to include this topic. A work of fiction, ie. the book "A Thousand Bones", is not a source of fact. Bamyers99 (talk) 02:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, common knowledge does not require sources. Rmhermen (talk) 02:24, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe this falls under common knowledge. I don't think that more than a very small percentage of English speakers will know about this term. See Wikipedia:Common knowledge 'When to seek professional help' section, 'Indirect knowledge' sub-section, Wikipedia:Verifiability. Bamyers99 (talk) 16:39, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While I'm not sure it qualifies as "common knowledge", it is in my opinion well-established usage and the reference to its usage in a work of fiction is a good indication of the conventionality of the usage. older ≠ wiser 17:08, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Trolls

message: The article mentions that it "contains nearly two-thirds of Michigan's total land area" but doesn't say what the total land area of the Lower Peninsula is.  Does anyone know?  It's useful to know the precise number for comparison sake.
Thomas144 (talk) 19:03, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  How big is the Lower Peninsula? 

message: I don't think that an "economy" section makes sense in this article. Most of the information in it is either about the state as a whole (e.g. every paragraph that begins "Michigan"), or focuses on only part of the LP (the sections about the automotive industry or Southeast-Michigan-based businesses). The Lower Peninsula simply isn't a distinct and cohesive economic (or cultural) entity in the way that the Upper Peninsula is. It's a geographic entity, and this article should stick to that. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:03, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The section appears to be an old copy-paste from Michigan#Economy, which isn't being updated here, making it an unhelpful fork. I'm removing it. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:39, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy section 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Upper Peninsula of Michigan which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 20:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: Grove Hill, NOT Briar Hill, is the highest point on the LP, per this: https://peakbagger.com/list.aspx?lid=13402. Please revise. 2603:6080:BE00:17C8:501D:A024:4F81:4319 (talk) 01:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest Point