Talk:Missouri wine

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Wikipedia is not a WP:DIRECTORY of non-notable local businesses. Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of wineries in Ohio this is better merged to the main article with only notable locations. Reywas92Talk 17:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The notable topic is Missouri wine, and significant wineries should be discussed there. Wikipedia does not need to list the names of non-notable local businesses even if they're listed in a guide or directory of wineries in the region. Reywas92Talk 23:22, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If they are sourced, they are notable enough to be listed. This is a standard criteria for list articles. Skyerise (talk) 23:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not true. One could just as easily source a list of restaurants or any list of other local businesses, but that does not mean we have to include the names of non-notable ones without articles. If these are sourced to this directory advertising the state's winemaking companies, that should just be directly linked from Missouri wine. Reywas92Talk 17:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

text: I disagree. I've just added two books about Missouri wineries to the further reading section. Wineries in Missouri is definitely a notable topic and is covered as such. Skyerise (talk) 17:46, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This still doesn't mean we need separate articles, one about the wine and one listing non-notable places that make it. Reywas92Talk 17:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[List of wineries in Missouri]] into [[Missouri wine]] 

message: The problem is not that these lists should not exist, but rather than they should not link to the winery websites and should instead have third-party references. Take List of wineries in New Mexico as an example. Every winery without an article has a citation to a newspaper review of a wine or the winery. This is sufficient to establish notability in a list, they don't have to be notable enough for a standalone article to be included in the list. This was established in the AfD discussion for that list.
Note, I personally don't like the table format for this, in a strange way it actually encourages expansion. Better to break the list into recognized subregions within the state. Skyerise (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The notable topic is Missouri wine, and significant wineries should be discussed there. Wikipedia does not need to list the names of non-notable local businesses even if they're listed in a guide or directory of wineries in the region. Reywas92Talk 23:22, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If they are sourced, they are notable enough to be listed. This is a standard criteria for list articles. Skyerise (talk) 23:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not true. One could just as easily source a list of restaurants or any list of other local businesses, but that does not mean we have to include the names of non-notable ones without articles. If these are sourced to this directory advertising the state's winemaking companies, that should just be directly linked from Missouri wine. Reywas92Talk 17:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

text: I disagree. I've just added two books about Missouri wineries to the further reading section. Wineries in Missouri is definitely a notable topic and is covered as such. Skyerise (talk) 17:46, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This still doesn't mean we need separate articles, one about the wine and one listing non-notable places that make it. Reywas92Talk 17:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct problems, don't merge