Talk:Sea of Japan/Archive 1

message: The current map on the main article is an old map of the Korean peninsula and its surroundings.  In this version of the map, the coast facing "East Sea" is labeled "Sea of Korea." BIG DEAL. There are old maps that say Sea of Korea, East Sea. Let's not play politics (play politics here instead) and get a real map that shows the whole sea, not just the 1% shown in the current map. Then people can get a better idea of what is in the vicinity of the sea. --69.212.98.139 16:36, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Map 

message: Kokiri, I had originally changed that wording because the wording you used makes it sound like Sea of Japan was not the most common name before 1919. The wording sounded POV. Yes, Sea of Japan did appear increasingly, but it was always the most common name in English. That is an important point to avoid confusion. Masterhatch 14 July 2005
I just changed it so that it is now only facts with no POV. Masterhatch 14 July 2005
:Cheers, I didn't mean to imply that Sea of Japan wasn't common before; it only got even more common. I'm happy the way you solved it. Kokiri 17:30, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  appears increasingly 

message: Infobox with the various country names was moved to the Dispute Page.  Please continue discussion there.--Endroit 18:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox moved to the Dispute Page 

message: I believe Kusunose, Masterhatch, and myself (Endroit) have clarified the intent of the Infobox here.  See discussion in the Sea of Japan naming dispute page there.
There are 3 changes from before:  1. The Chinese name was omitted (while the Russian name was included).  2. "Hanguk-hae" (한국해 / 韓國海) portion was deleted from the South Korean name.  3. Link to "Hepburn romanization" was corrected.--Endroit 07:29, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox moved back here from the [[Sea of Japan naming dispute | Dispute Page]] 

message: "Tsushima Strait" WILL BE DELETED from this article, as well as from the main map.
Relating to the above discussion "The western channel of Korea Strait", Appleby suggests that we also delete "Tsushima Strait" from the main map, when we delete "western channel."  The premise for this action is the official position of the English Wikipedia so far, which is that "Tsushima Strait" is merely the eastern channel of "Korea Strait".
If, however, "Tsushima Strait" can be established as an alternate name for the entire "Korea Strait", we may not have to delete it.  But you have to show the official position of the Japanese government regarding the English name for "Korea Strait," with proper citations.  Then you must reach consensus here.  (Also, please provide comment in the above discussion regarding "western channel", in tandem.)
If there is no further discussion here, "Tsushima Strait" shall be deleted from the map, as well as from the article.--Endroit 17:24, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly object the deletion of Tsushima Strait from the article. This is a valid piece of information, and we even have a separate article for the strait. I would also prefer to keep the "western channel", as it is clear from the context and only a minor mentioning in the text itself. On the map, western channel can be removed, but I would also keep Tsushima Strait on the map -- Chris 73 | Talk 19:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I think we already have consensus that "Tsushima Strait" and "western channel" have to be considered separately.... still waiting for others to respond.  Appleby, I suggest you go back to the above discussion in showing the significance of the "western strait" so that it won't be deleted from the map.--Endroit 20:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree with Appleby on this. Leave both names in. It doesn't hurt anything to have the extra info as it is definately not wrong per se. Masterhatch 21:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also don't see anything wrong with Western Channel. By itself, it is not clear, but in the context of the article it is pretty clear which Western channel is referred to. For another example, see Great Lakes (disambiguation) -- Chris 73 | Talk 21:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of Tsushima Strait from this article 

message: I requested East Sea (disambiguation) to be protected while we pursue mediation/arbitration.  A formal request has been made for mediation.--Endroit 19:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the above-mentioned RfM (Request for Mediation): If you are not named in the section Involved parties, but strongly feel that you are involved in this issue, and wish to be involved in RfM as well, please add your username there and sign in the section Parties' agreement to mediate.  (See Wikipedia:Requests for mediation for details.)--Endroit 20:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mediation/Arbitration

message: I think Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean)#Sea of Japan (East Sea) is not applicable to this article becase it is a guildline how to refer this article from various articles, not how to write this article.  --Kusunose 05:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the post above for international usage and such. It's a long read though Deiaemeth 05:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Clarification (just in case anybody was wondering):  Whether to write "Sea of Japan" or "Sea of Japan (East Sea)" at the begining of this article, is not likely to be covered by the above Mediation.  You are encouraged to discuss here separately what the consensus is regarding this matter, in light of the fact that Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean)#Sea of Japan (East Sea) may already cover this.  If you want to rebuild a new consensus (or clarify what the consensus is), you should discuss it here anyways.  And please do not engage in Wikipedia:Edit war, and watch out not to break the WP:3RR rule.  Deiaemeth, you broke the 3RR already, don't do it again.--Endroit 17:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Appleby, you are free to add anything to the agenda in the Additional issues to mediate section of Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/East Sea (disambiguation), if you feel the need to do so.--Endroit 18:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

text: That was quite irrelevant, but thanks anyway for the info -..-; Deiaemeth 04:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I must really like that word, but never realized that I had misspelled it.  Thanks for correcting me.--Endroit 06:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro