Talk:Lists of Star Wars species

message: I think calling the Geonosians "savage" and "bloodthirty" isn't NPOV. 
:I think keeping NPOV in fictional universes isn't always necessary, because protagonists and antagonists apropri cannot be judged equally. - Sikon 05:05, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV in descriptions 

message: The minor article is redundant now as this article covers everything that is in that one. However, in order to reduce the size of this article, some races can be moved to their own articles (ones not as popular, yet with enough information, that they can get an article). Riffsyphon1024 03:53, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have submitted the Minor races in Star Wars article to Vfd. It serves no purpose now that everything is in this article. --Riffsyphon1024 09:03, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Minor races in Star Wars now redirects to this article. --Riffsyphon1024 06:26, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved much from [[Minor races in Star Wars]] 

message: Looking at the most recent update, it seems that within the section for the race of Selkath, someone has put at the bottom of that section "Information of the events after KotOr provided by Wizards of the Coast, with articles written by Cory Herndon. All other information came from the video game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic." Is this even necessary? -- Riffsyphon1024 21:37, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the guidelines for editting do tell us to quote our sources, neh? -Fuzzy 18:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it down to the bottom of the article, as I mess with the whole piece I'll add links to the various sources. --Saberwyn 10:57, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should [[List of Star Wars races#Selkath|Selkath]] have credits given for information? 

message: ...That a separate article can be made to hold them? The Rancor could go here, as well as Space Slugs and Mynocks. There are a bunch of others that could be added (i.e. Rontos). --Riffsyphon1024 19:18, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am creating a Creatures of Star Wars article to place these and others into. --Riffsyphon1024 05:09, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm <S>starting to</S> move the non-sentients there now. --Saberwyn 03:43, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are there enough non-sentient creatures in Star Wars... 

message: I'm thinking of moving some of the larger race articles in this list onto individual pages, using the Chiss article as a template for the information, and doublechecking what I can against the Star Wars Databank and what novels I own.
The races I believe can support an individual article (or could do so with a little additional research) are:
*Bothan
*Chazrach
*Evocii
*Gamorrean
*Gand
*Ithorian
*Mon Calamari (Would include Quarren on this page)
*Nemoidian (one of the first I plan to do, due to the relative abundance of information here)
*Selkath
*Ssi-ruuk
*Ughnaught
I'll leave it for a week or two, so feel free to comment here on the worth of this idea, what races should be added to the list, and what races should be removed from it. --Saberwyn 03:03, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there, I have no problem with any races being given individual pages however since these kind of articles often end up on WP:VFD, though WP:FICT has helped a lot in keeping them off, I just suggest to expand the section as much as possible here before moving it out to its own article just because if you move them out before expansion someone might slap a VFD tag on it before you've had a chance to finish... --Lochaber 10:16, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual pages for Races 

message: A lot of the minor char links (like boss nass and captain tarpals) don't link to the stub list and i don't see them on the newly expanded stub list either.  --Ensiform 15:29, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor links 

message: One that comes to mind right now, if the list is covering some of the fictional ones as it seems to be, is (pardon my spelling) Ruurians (maybe I'm missing a syllable) of which Skynxx (again, pardon the spelling, I don't have primary source material at hand) was one. The primary source for this one would be the third Han Solo book by Brian Dailey (where Han goes looking for the treasure of Xim the Despot). 
If I recall there was also another character in there, Spray, who was a Skip-Tracer (when he wasn't a senior Corporate Sector type), whose race probably also has not been included. 
I'll dig out the primary sources and add them, unless such additions are undesirable.
:Missing the Firrerreon.  Hethrir is one.  His wife, Rilao and son Tigris are also. PrometheusX303 14:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Skynx was also in the Jedi Search trilogy. I think he died in it. --Maru  (talk) Contribs 18:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are we missing a few? 

message: Are these races? I thought they were kind of orders or communities. --Sikon 05:05, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Echani and Mandalorians 

message: This page has been processed by N-Bot, which, for browsing convenience, changes links to redirects to lists to links to the relevant list sections: e.g. Geonosian is changed to Geonosian.
As a result, anyone who intends to split a section out of this page should be aware that, as of 6 August 2005, the following sections were linked to from the following pages:
* Geonosian: Darth Vader, Death Star, Battle of Geonosis, Speeder bike, Clone commandos, List of Star Wars creatures, Torpedo sphere, List of Star Wars planets (E-G), Languages in Star Wars, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Nute Gunray, Star Wars: Battlefront, Geonosian starfighter
* Bothan: Dates in Star Wars, Borsk Fey'lya, Star Wars: TIE Fighter, List of destroyed Star Wars planets, Languages in Star Wars, List of Star Wars planets (C-D)
* Gungan: Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi, Jar Jar Binks, Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace, Darth Vader, Languages in Star Wars, Dates in Star Wars, Battle of Naboo, List of aliens in fiction by type, List of aliens in fiction, Brian Blessed, Bioship, Droid Control Ship, List of changes in Star Wars re-releases, List of catch phrases, Star Wars: Battlefront, Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds, Shields (Star Wars), Boss Nass, General Ceel, Captain Tarpals, Gungan booma, Battle droid commander, Grizmallt, Naboo, Trade Federation, Human (Star Wars), Sio Bibble, Grizmallt, List of Star Wars planets (M-N)
* Rodian: Languages in Star Wars, Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, Taris, Minor bounty hunters in Star Wars, Genoharadan, List of Star Wars planets (E-G), List of Star Wars planets (O-Q)
* Gamorrean: Mission Vao, Zaalbar, Star Wars: Battlefront, List of minor Rebel characters in Star Wars, List of minor Star Wars villains, Genoharadan
* Ithorian: Ithor, Czerka Corporation, Citadel Station, List of Star Wars planets (E-G), List of Star Wars planets (O-Q)
* Quarren: Confederacy of Independent Systems, Clone SCUBA trooper, Trade Federation Cruiser
* Weequay: Vodran, List of Star Wars planets (R-S)
* Noghri: Darth Vader, Dates in Star Wars, Chimaera (Star Wars), List of destroyed Star Wars planets
* Trandoshan: Wookiee, Corran Horn, Star Wars: Republic Commando, Hound's Tooth
* Zabrak: Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
* Aqualish: Ponda Baba, Mos Eisley Cantina, List of Star Wars planets (C-D)
* Mirialan: Luminara Unduli
* Ugnaught: Tibannopolis
* Dug: Sebulba, Dates in Star Wars, List of aliens in fiction by type, List of aliens in fiction, Sebolto
* Kel Dor: Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
* Duros: Languages in Star Wars
* Massassi: Jedi Academy
* Miraluka: List of Ancient Jedi, List of minor Sith characters
* Echani: Emperor's Royal Guard, List of Ancient Jedi
* Gen'Dai: Minor bounty hunters in Star Wars
* Neimoidian: Nute Gunray, Lilo & Stitch, Cloak of Deception, Droid Army, List of Star Wars planets (C-D)
* Jawa: Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Languages in Star Wars, List of Star Wars races, Skrit Na, Hrud, Thumb Wars, LEGO Star Wars: Revenge of the Brick, Sharad Hett, List of hooded figures, Hey Hey, My My (Into The Black)
* Ugnaught: Tibannopolis
~~N-Bot (t/c) 20:46, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note to anyone intending on splitting off a section 

message: I merged about 50-60 percent of the remaining races that were under, say, 400-500 words.  I recommend that we split this page like the planets page, although that would take a large amount of wikilink changes. Deckiller 03:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merges 

message: Since I'm the mergist, it might be best for me to clean up the mess.  Perhaps a possibility is to split the page into two factions:
* Major races of Star Wars
* Minor races of Star Wars
Any species with, say, 200 or less words can go in the minor category, and vice versa. Deckiller 03:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size issue 

message: In this article, the Xexto are named as a species, from the planet Troiken. However, within the Yarael Poof article, the Troiken from the planet Xexto are named as related to the Quermian. Additionally, in a section of this article itself, under Quermian, the same is stated. However, under  and in the article Podracing, Troiken is named as the homeworld of the character Gasgano and Xexto as his species. Which is which, and can the incorrect references be corrected? --Anon
:The Xexto are the species, and Troiken is the planet. I've fixed the incorrect info on the respective pages. -- wacko2 06:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xexto or Troiken? 

message: The monks should probably get merged over into the organizations list. --maru   (talk)  contribs 03:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  B'ommar monks 

message: Why doesn't anyone talk about the species that Master Yoda belongs to, or about its original planetary system? Is he the last of an extinct species? If not, where are his congeners, his relatives? How many are they? What are they doing? Do they share his powers, or his talents? How many sexes do they have, what is their biology? -etc.
In this article, Yoda is completely missing, as if everybody had long accepted Yoda as a human being. In the article about Yoda, it is stated that "George Lucas has intentionally kept the name of Yoda's race a secret." Is that a final word? Hardly acceptable, from a scientific POV.
By the way, as I see it, the name of this article is wrong. It should read: "LIST OF STAR WARS SPECIES", not "RACES".  
AVM 18:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  An unsolved question 

message: An awful lot of the entries on this list don't mention a single source for where these species are mentioned, or in some cases where their various special abilities and characteristics are described.  I'm going to try citing a few myself, but my knowledge of this field is extremely limited so I'll welcome help from all comers on this little project. At a minimum let's try to get at least one reference for each species, just to make their existence verifiable as a start. Bryan 21:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I don't think canonicity will be an issue since Wikipedia isn't bound by the same sorts of "rules" that Star Wars publications might be - if a source is popular but non-canon it still warrants a mention here, IMO. As long as everything's cited there should be no complaints. Bryan 22:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Call for references

message: The Balosar Elan Sleazebaggano appears in Episode II 'Attack of the Clones'. He approaches Obi-Wan, and asks Obi if he would like to buy some deathsticks.
:Not that it's relevant to this particular article, but what the heck are "deathsticks," anyway? Some sort of drug, presumably? If anyone knows, it's worth a short article. I came to Wikipedia looking for the answer, and others might.
::Deathsticks are covered in the List of Star Wars substances. — Deckiller 03:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Deathsticks"? 

message: As is mentioned on the page itself, this page is enormous. My first thought is to break it up alphabetically, ala the planet list at List of Star Wars planets. Since this is a rather major change, though, I figured I should announce my intentions here and see what objections and suggestions might arise. Bryan 05:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A couple of subarticles have been split off for the more major races, is that what you mean by "relevant articles"? If so, I doubt the vast majority of the races listed here will ever have enough information to warrant a standalone article (at least not by current Wikipedia general practices). Bryan 23:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's completely the opposite of what I was mentioning. Race information could belong in plot summaries of books, etc; or in planet sections, that sort of thing — or explained in a general "Races of Star Wars" article. It's difficult to organize such information, so we may have to keep the list. (Nothing on this list warrants an article, and over half the current race articles in the category need to be merged). — Deckiller 01:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. That actually sounds like a bad idea, IMO, since it would make it a lot harder to find information if it were scattered around in lots of articles without an obvious relationship. If I was in a discussion with someone and Boojumoids (or whatever) were mentioned, I'd want to look up information about Boojumoids themselves and wouldn't necessarily have any idea what books or planets they're associated with. I think the current organization is quite reasonable, it divides information up by what sort of information it is rather than what the source of the information is. Bryan 03:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough; we're going to have to settle for list format for this particular star wars subject. However, we might find difficulty maintaining cruft, but then again, I haven't exactly initated my campaign yet, so that's just blind, pointless extrapolation on my part. — Deckiller 03:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Proper citing of sources should take care of that sort of problem too. My "citation needed" spree has already resulted in a few new references being added, over time the situation will hopefully improve. Bryan 04:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: BTW, couldn't redirects provide a solution to your arguement? — Deckiller 03:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not if the information is integrated into plot summaries and such. One would have to read the article about the book in detail to glean tidbits of information about the race, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of details would be thrown out in the integration process since they wouldn't be plot-related. I really don't see what the problem with having a separate article or section for specific races, it makes it so much more convenient to find information about them. Bryan 04:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, and it's not exactly something that can be turned into encyclopedic articles like Technology of Star Wars and various subarticles (one of my future projects, I'm sure you've heard me mention it). However, other anti-cruft people may grow quite upset and deletionist.  — Deckiller 05:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting up this article 

message: I've been through the "what links here page" and disambiguated most of the links, setting them directly to one of the five subpages. I've pretty much done all of them, I think, except for talk pages and user pages... and user talk pages. Since that's about all that can be done on this page to improve it, and since the page seems to have been the Collaboration of the Month now for almost two months, it's probably time to pick a new article to improve. -- Supermorff 19:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration of the Month 

message: *These articles should be named List of Star Wars species, not races. Races are different types of the same species, and that's hardly what the list is about. Funkynusayri (talk) 05:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. FunkMonk (talk) 11:22, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree. It seems a consensus has been reached to move the page to "List of Star Wars species". So I'll do that now. SCΛRECROW 03:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We should probably change the category from "Star Wars races" to "Star Wars species" too. SCΛRECROW 03:48, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. FunkMonk (talk) 14:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think I've converted everything over to "Star Wars species" now. Tell me if I missed anything, or you can fix it yourself. SCΛRECROW 04:42, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright thanks! FunkMonk (talk) 13:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species, not races