Talk:Naruto/Archive 2

message: Thought you might want to add Kazahana Dotou(Boss Snow guy...), Rouga Nadare(leader snow guy who fights Kakashi), Fuyukuma Mizore(snowboard dude), and Kakuyoku Fubuki(that one girl) the naruto characters list. --ACDCKakashi 20:05, 30 December 2005
:Done. --Pentasyllabic 03:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, be bold and add it :) --Pentasyllabic 19:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Naruto Movie 1 Characters 

message: *Meh, if someone could add that one dude Kakashi killed and the boss guy (Mousu or something like that, I'm lazy and don't feel like looking it up), it would be great.  By the way, I may have to go back and look at the episode.  They use so many damn jutsus! --ACDCKakashi 16:40, 2 January 2006
**They're in filler episodes.  Don't worry about it.  You're not likely to find much information on websites anyway, since the Naruto fanscene is basically ruled by the Narutards, who act as if the fillers never happened. Danny Lilithborne 22:45, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bird Country Characters 

message: I think there must be a caution message on the top of the page that says "this page contains full of  
spoiler about the anime" so no enthusiasts learn the end of the next episodes too early.
:There is already a spoiler warning at Naruto (manga)#Plot overview. ~MDD4696 05:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  about spoilsport, spoiler 

message: I noticed a few Commonwealth words in the article, and I thought it would be good to make a point of choosing Commonwealth or American English for the article, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English. I believe the preferred spellings would be U.S. Standard English because the anime and manga are translated as such. ~MDD4696 07:10, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, go ahead. The commonwealth words you encountered are probably mine. --AceMyth 08:53, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commonwealth versus American English 

message: Hi. Here's a few things I've been thinking.
* We don't have any real references/footnotes/quotations/anything. So if anyone knows of a reputable source that can be referenced in this article that would help. No chance of this article being featured without those.
* A few more images wouldn't hurt. There's a wealth of them in other Naruto-related articles.
* The opening and ending songs would look much more neat in a tabulated form.
Anyone who agrees/disagrees should please share their thoughts or go ahead and get busy. If I knew wiki-tables better than I did I'd already be on the songs issue. - Phorque 21:29, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few things 

message: I'm glad that this article discusses the fansub fandom of Naruto, because I read a quote in an article from a Viz executive that Naruto's dubbed version was going to have a large preexisting fanbase from the translated comics in Shonen Jump. He did not at all recognize the large effect of fansites and p2p programs that made Naruto as big as it is today.
Anyways, maybe we should emphasize this as an example of internet culture and how things spread quickly through devoted fans and available resources.
Blueaster 03:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you by any chance remember where that article was? It would still be a valuable reference. ~MDD4696 04:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Indeed, I actually added info to the fansub article based on "Dattebayo" fansubs of Naruto (how episodes are released in under 24 hours from the premiere in Tokyo). I think this is an interesting point and would be great to note in the article with a reference. - Phorque 19:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a little comment... 

message: Could somebody who is quite familiar with the manga put the equivalent manga chapters next to the story arcs. Or maybe at least specify the ranges for Naruto 1, Kakashi Gaiden and Naruto 2. I don't know the manga thaaaat well and this info might be somewhere on the web already. - Phorque 16:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga chapters 

message: The original title suggested Naruto was only a manga, so I moved it to the new title.  Hopefully I fixed all the things that broke because of the move, but I can't be too sure...  -- EmperorBMA|話す 00:07, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you name it Naruto (anime and manga) and not Naruto (manga and anime)? The manga did come first and is used as the basis for most of the Naruto pages ^^ --JadziaLover 01:01, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The alphabetical one (a & m) seems to flow better in my mind than the chronological one (m & a).  That's about all I can think of. -- EmperorBMA|話す 02:34, 17 February 2006 (UTC first of all anime is harder to make than manga so get over already
The article BLEACH was moved from Bleach (manga)... so in the same regard, should we just move Naruto to all-caps (NARUTO) as it is written in romanized Japanese? --Geopgeop 00:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  move to (anime and manga) 

message: The following information, which may be about a character from the Naruto anime or manga, was incorrectly incorporated into a page that listed it as a creature from Japanese mythology. The Soukou page is listed on AfD, because it's not a creature from Japanese mythology. However, editors may want to incorporate some of the following into the Naruto page:
Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts： Sokou is a bijuu that looks like a reptile. It was a creature that lived near Mount Fuji. Because of the toxic gas and the volcaninc ash, he was transformed into a half-rooster, half-snake monster. The Rooster and Snake are husband and wife in Sokou’s body. Everything around it withers away or dies, because of its poison. According to the Legend, whenever he hibernates in Mount Fuji, the snoring he causes will make the volcano erupt.
Situation in the Ancient War of the 9 Gods： Battled 4 times; 3 Losses, 1 Flee Losses： Shukaku, Kaku, Houkou Escapes： Raijuu
Fate： Sokou was sealed by a master of demonic arts, called Yamazaki Ishiro, with the “Tool of power: Netted Moon Cage” to the seal in the Mount Fuji’s base. Sokou becomes unable to send out his poisonous gas from the mountain for all eternity.
Japanese Myth Appearance: A four-tailed Rooster / Snake mixture. The lower part of the body is a Snake, while the upper part is a Rooster. Crawls instead of walking (Just like desert scorpions. Most of the body parts have an orange tone. Lives in the mount Fuji.
Ability: Controls poison, poisonous gas, venoms, and so on. Symbolic Element： Poison Origin / Discovered in： Close to Tokyo, Mount Fuji. Personal notes: Well, it indeed makes you remember of Sasori. Just a little.
More info about Sokou: If you remember, Sokou is the oriental counterpart of the folklore creature Cockatrice. Sokou doesn’t have wings like it, though.
Thanks! MikeDockery 12:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soukou 

message: The opinions expressed in the popularity section are not encyclopediac or accurate. The claim that illegal distribution is largely cause of its popularity   is absolute tripe. No measurement has been or real evidence. It is on TV thus one could claim that TV was the reason for the popularity. —This unsigned comment was added by 206.191.28.13 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 30 March 2006.
:That section does not claim that is largely the cause of its popularity; it says "Naruto's growth in popularity outside of Japan was due, in part, to its availability on the Internet." Over 10,000 people download episodes from Dattebayo's torrent site each week (the site has live numbers). Back when episode 135 was released, episode 133 had been downloaded 200000 times (see ). This was before a single episode of the anime had been released in the U.S. How could anyone have been a fan of the anime in the U.S. at that time? The show only aired in Japan. I'm sure the numbers are similar or higher for the manga, but I can't provide any references.
:I know I shouldn't cite original research, but I am one of those people who discovered Naruto on the Internet and became a fan because of it. From my perspective, it seem only logical that others also found out about the series in a similar fashion.
:It is unfortunate that no solid research has been done, but I think comparing sales numbers and download numbers would make the article stronger. ~MDD4696 05:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been thinking about more NPOV ways to word that section, and I think we can definately improve it. I'll get to that... sometime heh. ~MDD4696 17:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I rewrote the section... hopefully others can improve it now? ~MDD4696 01:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity is complete rubbish and NPOV 

message: THere is a tiny mistake in the Story Arc section. I says in the Sasuke Retreval Arc that Sasuke leaves the Leaf Country. The Country is really Fire, the Village is Leaf.
It can be refered by both 'cause it's Konoha (Leaf Village) and Fire Country.
Konoha(Leaf Village) is within the "Fire Country" so it should never be refered to as the "Leaf Country" Bushido Brown 01:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiny Mistake 

message: *Is it worth mentioning that Naruto's Japanese catchphrase dattebayo is translated into "Believe it!" in the dubbed version?  There doesn't seem to be a place in this article for mentioning it; maybe in Naruto's character article. Danny Lilithborne 05:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  dattebayo (the phrase, not the fansub group) 

message: Iam seriously thinking about editing all character pages and for example changing Hatake Kakaishi to Kakaishi Hatake, it wouldn't hurt anything at all, would anyone have an objection to this?--Jack Cox 01:32, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 09:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential Major Edits 

message: * NARUTO → Naruto … Rationale: Obscure, nonstandard English rendering of Japanese title, done solely to disambiguate from other articles listed at Naruto (disambiguation), but now that the dab page is at (disambiguation) rather than Naruto there's no need to go to such bizarre lengths: Naruto is both the most accurate and the most common title. -Silence 10:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The manga should be at Naruto (manga), not Naruto. Naruto should be the article about the whirlpool. Fg2 01:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about both the anime and the manga, not just one or the other, so naming it "Naruto (anime)" or "Naruto (manga)" would be completely unacceptable unless significant surgery were done to divide it into two articles, and splitting it in this way in the foreseeable future would be detrimental to the article's coherency, as well as completely unnecessary, and inconsistent with the vast majority of other articles on joint anime/manga series (e.g. Fullmetal Alchemist, Ranma ½, Midori Days, Azumanga Daioh, Speed Racer, Sailor Moon, Love Hina, InuYasha, Chobits, FLCL, Lupin III, and countless others, all of which cover both an anime and a manga of the same name). Moreover, I really don't see how there could be any argument for the whirlpool being the main article; the only two viable options I see are having the dab page at Naruto or having the anime/manga at Naruto, and although I'm not a Naruto fan, its worldwide popularity, and the lack of especially much noteworthiness (or of a completely identical name) of the other entries at Naruto (disambiguation), makes it quite clear that it's the primary topic with this name (and it's the one 99% of people are most likely to be looking for if they do a search for "Naruto", making this the approach that will by far benefit the most users). The whirlpool, Naruto whirlpool, is a stub with barely more than half a dozen articles linking to it and 0 InterWiki links (not even one to the Japanese wiki!!), unlike NARUTO, which is an extremely expansive article with dozens of daughter articles, InterWiki articles in more than 20 different languages, and a total of something like 700 pages on Wikipedia linking to it. More relevantly, I just honestly don't see how the Naruto whirlpool is of more global importance than one of the most popular and best-selling anime/manga series of the last few years. Could you explain your reasoning? -Silence 09:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Then make it Naruto (fiction) or Naruto (fictional universe). The whirlpool is a million years old. The whirlpool has been part of Japanese culture since the beginning of Japanese culture. Fg2 21:28, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Age and notability are not synonyms. Your personal opinion does not outweigh common usage and simple practicality for the vast majority of users, and the fact is, anyone searching for the whirlpool will easily find it by typing "Naruto whirlpool"; there is, on the other hand, no consistent or simple way for a user to know what to search for to find the Naruto anime/manga (other than "Naruto" itself, hence this move) that isn't highly counter-intuitive to the point of uselessness. And, as I pointed out above, if Naruto whirlpool really was an absolutely integral and pre-eminent aspect of Japanese culture, wouldn't the Japanese Wikipedia already have an article on it? I'm not disputing that the Naruto whirlpool is important, but for the purposes of disambiguation, what's convenient for the most users overrides historical elitism. -Silence 21:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion from [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]] page

message: This article uses the word "current" or "currently" multiple times especially in the area of episode/chapter counts.  It is not a good practice because no one can guarantee that this article is updated everyday.  i.e. the word "current" can become obsolete at any time.  When the on-line wikipedia is released in CD-ROM format in the future, the word "current" does not make sense anymore.  I'd suggest to replace the use of "current" with something like "as of April 2006" or the actual date of the "current" update.  Just a suggestion.  Kowloonese 20:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't use the word '''current''' in encyclopedic article 

message: Someone went in and messed with the Akatsuki section, adding a lot of speculation and rumor. This should be changed no?--Ninja6Fett 04:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How I wish I read the manga... I could have a look at that section myself. Yes, if it's just speculation, remove it. Use your best judgement. ~MDD4696 05:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akatsuki Section 

message: Hi all. The AnimeStocks link has been repeatedly added to the article, and removed several times. I'm removing it again. All the site consists of is screenshots; it has little encyclopedic value, and is infringing on copyright. ~MDD4696 22:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AnimeStocks 

message: In the Criticism section, the article states that the InuYasha anime ended because it caught up the the manga, with a "citation needed" notice. However, is that true at all? Popular knowledge seems to indicate that there was still plenty of manga left to animate when the series stopped. (Don't quote me on that though.)
- Jonathan 23:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I understand, this is true.  Several years ago (2 maybe...) InuYasha had caught up with the manga and began creating its own filler episodes.  The InuYasha manga is still ongoing, and now there is sufficient manga, but at the time there wasn't. --Miss Ethereal 13:59, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I doubt that Inuyasha ended because it caught up to the manga. Sure there were a few fillers in the end, but I don't think they were intended to buy time because the event in the final episodes were rushed and alot of detail that was in the manga was not put in the anime (such as an appearance by Kouga). While there wasn't a large volume of manga to be animated, there was enough of that particular arc to go on for more than 167 episodes. Roxybudgy 12:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  InuYasha ended because it caught up to the manga? 

message: I have just been looking at the jutsu pages and various others, and the translations/what nthe jutsus should be called seems widely disputed. In some sections the viz translation is used, and in others the literal translation. I personally think the literal translation is more correct and true to the Anime/manga. I think something should be decided upon for this problem. Blademaster313 22:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally prefer the literal translations, but the problem is that they're less set in stone...for instance, translating "hajiku" could yield "bend" or "snap," whereas with the Viz translation, there's only one right way to write it. SpionKop 22:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I understand, but I believe that the literal translations are more true to Kishimoto's original ideas. Either way, one way of translating should be decided upon. The mixing of translations looks unprofessional. Blademaster313 22:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of the Various Jutsus 

message: I think someone should add Shizune's arm launching needles (I can't remember the name) to the weapons section. These needles also seem to be shown on Sakura in the picture on the front page of the article. Also, some pictures might help on the weapons page in general Blademaster313 22:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shizune's Weapon 

message: Erm... perhaps this was a troll, but the series would have to end if that happened wouldn't it?--Frenchman113  on wheels! 19:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are talking about the episode called "Naruto Dies", if so it is part of the episode and you need to watch the episode to figure out what's going on Shakoor_h 00:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naruto commits suicide? 

message: Should we start a Plot Summary Page for Naruto? It seems that most of the major character's pages have become a drawn out summary of the story instead of a look at the character's interactions and development. Would it be a good idea to create a separate topic summarizing the story but not going deep into character interactions while slimming down the swamped character pages?Zeketheo 00:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary Page