Talk:Anthem of Europe

message: The European anthem deserves an article. Pvosta 22:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial message

message: According to the article "the anthem is purely instrumental and the German lyrics have no official status. [...] A suggestion for Latin lyrics to the anthem has been written by the Austrian composer Peter Roland, but the lyrics has not been accorded official status, and is not used by the EU."  So why was there a section entitled "lyrics" added?  This definitely gives the wrong impression that there are lyrics.  Not being a native speaker of any of the languages listed but English I can't comment on them, but the English ones don't even fit the tune!  I gather they could be translations of the Latin lyrics, but I don't believe they deserve a place on this page (there's a link to them in the reference section) due to the confusion it would cause, and people believing those are the official lyrics (of which there are none, as has been proven).  --Canuckguy 07:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but for know I only put word "unofficial" into the lyrics section title.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.220.141.217 (talk) 17:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No lyrics

message: Isn't that from the fourth movement? The ninth symphony has 5 parts and atleast the media clips they have at europa.eu are from the end of the fourth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.239.133.167 (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final movement? 

message: Populorum = of the people, not for the people ! 68.100.15.18 (talk) 23:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin lyrics 

message: I think that the Latin lyrics are not appropriated on the "European anthem" page, since they were never officially considered for use (see ref. 5 in the article: "There are no plans for these lyrics to be used for the EU anthem." -- European Commission). There are many unofficial lyric proposals out there in various languages, and none were ever officially considered. I think the full text of one specific proposal has no reason to be copied in this article. This text might be included in a separate page "Unofficial lyric proposals for the European Union anthem" or similar.
Apart from that, I think that the fact of copying the full Latin lyrics (and even a English translation) is a copyright infringement. An short excerpt could be quoted, but not the full text. Jérôme (talk) 17:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the irrelevant "Latin Lyrics" are just a kind of product placement by the author Peter Roland. 8 )  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.59.124.115 (talk) 15:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant lyrics? Copyvio? 

message: It looks like I'm going to be signing the minority report on the article's title. Perhaps I'll have more luck with this. Mr Solberg doesn't like my minor - and wholly uncontroversial - expansion of the Origin section. He thinks it is vandalism and has removed it twice, using as an excuse what he claims to be non-functioning references. One of them was indeed faulty the first time I made the edit (though that's no excuse for deletion) but both of them worked at this end after the second edit and both of them are working now after the third.
I have a whole host of references here to back up the edit, all from reputable sources, none with an axe to grind. Schiller wrote the Ode in the form of a bourgeois masculine drinking song celebrating universal masculine bourgeois brotherhood; it was set to music even before it had been published and quickly became very popular as a masculine bourgeois drinking song; and, in later life, Schiller was very sniffy about both the Ode and its popularity. What's the problem? Knowing the history of the Ode in no way spoils my enjoyment of Beethovens's Ninth. (The only thing that spoils that is its cheapening by the EU.) Why should mentioning it here constitute vandalism? It's interesting and totally harmless background info.Vinny Burgoo (talk) 18:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is just one of very many settings to this poem. And the way it's worded now, it sounds like the poem was just a drinking song. That is pov, in spite of factual references. - SSJ ☎ 00:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So improve the wording without flushing the facts down the toilet! Please. But don't get too wordy. This is brief background info. Regards, Vinny Burgoo (talk) 00:17, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I get suspicious when a euroskeptic inserts a sentence claiming that the European anthem's origin was a drinking song, and backs it up with a dead link. Can't help it. - SSJ ☎ 00:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair do's. And no wonder. And - why not? - In varietate concordia. Vinny Burgoo (talk) 00:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schiller 

message: The article currently includes a version of Schiller's Ode under  the heading above. I wonder if this is a mistake? In fairness the version given under that heading presumably is Anonymous and is certainly in English, but to call it Poetic seems to be pushing things too far. Some bits make no sense and "drunken under fire" sounds like something from a courtmartial charge sheet!  The claim that this is a Translation seems doubtful too. If it is a translation, it is a very loose one indeed, crucially introducing terms such a "nation" which don't appear in the original. Might I suggest that we consign this version to the oblivion from which it should never have emerged? Twilde (talk) 22:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, I liked "drunken under fire" as a court-martial charge.  I'd translate it (feuertrunken) as "drunk with fire" (i.e. intoxicated by the heavenly sparks).  Anyway I don't think we need Schiller's lyrics in the article, much less an English translation (that can go in the article about the Ode to Joy), since they were explicitly not used for the anthm.  I liked the Latin version that someone removed a while back.  They shouldn't be included in the text due to copyright, but there is enough press coverage about them to warrant a mention.  Also, Peter Roland is a Latin professor, not a composer.  They got someone named Beethoven to compose the music, so Roland only wrote the lyrics. 173.228.123.207 (talk) 05:38, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anonymous English Poetic Translation 

message: I think we should get rid of the "Fitted English Translation set to the music, reworded by Daniel Wright". a) it is unsingable to the tune, the meter is all wrong. b) what relevance has it? Even the Latin lyrics by Peter Roland are unofficial, and nobody is going to sing English lyrics to this anthem. --Neitram (talk) 15:06, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fitted English Translation" 

message: If the anthem was first broadcasted at the 2010 Ryder Cup, why is the CIS national football team listed as using it during the UEFA Euro 1992 in Sweden? Or wasn't the Ryder Cup-broadcast the first one? Tøndemageren (talk) 11:30, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  First broadcast 

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