Talk:Nokia/Archive 1

message: Nokia also has greater dependency on England based company duo namely Symbian Corporation for its mobile operating systems and OVI for its mobile based application software development and distribution, which has made Nokia as highest selling mobile phone vendor within the last few years.
Symbian is a software platform, not company (Symbian Ltd was previously acquired by Nokia). OVI (note capitalization is incorrect) is not a company at all, it is a brand name under which Nokia launched internet services. It certainly isn't a company or based in the UK.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.93.38.67 (talk) 22:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Symbian and Ovi as companies

message: The protocol used for the service is not IMAP but Intellisync.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.46.115 (talk) 05:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nokia Messaging

message: It is easily validated that NOKIA is among the best known Finnish brands (although people don't necessarily associate it to Finland). However, "best employer" - this is not true. Great Place to Work institute Finland http://www.greatplacetowork.fi/ has a yearly competition on best employers in Finland as well, NOKIA has never participated in it, so it is dubious to claim it to be "best employer". It is a large employer in Finland and abroad, yes, but please
1) Define "best"
2) Have a reference - who said so? Where? On what basis?
Thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.124.218 (talk) 10:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Best Finnish brand/employer

message: Point of interest: while researching a recent edit in the company's four listed "values", I noticed that both editors are right, depending on which nokia webpage you go to. Perhaps they are in the process of changing, or perhaps it is different for each country? Here's on with the older way ("Continuous learning"): http://www.nokia.ie/nokia/0,8764,29695,00.html Turnstep 20:25, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Values

message: Nothing seems to mentioned of Nokia's once massive range of television set-top boxes, including the relatively infamous 9600 and D-Box systems as well as ubiquitous VideoCrypt boxes and ITV Digital systems which meant there was probably a Nokia decoder or a rebadge of such in every third or fourth house in the UK and Ireland in the late 1990s. They were mostly satellite, but there were DTT and cable ones also. --Kiand 01:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: STBs

message: The article should mention SNAP mobile. http://snapmobile.nokia.com Mathiastck 20:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This link is dead, and SNAP mobile may not be notable enough. However, if it is, a working link is here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/snapmobile Mojei (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snap Mobile 

message: "Nokia was originally a company set up to produce toilet paper." Is this true?
I thought that at the first years it was producing plastic boots. Even if they did produce only toilet paper in the beginning, I think we should still include this too.
Also, I believe it would be better if we had complete text, telling more about the things in the trivia section (not just a sentence or two).  Abresas 13:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Some parts of this article read like an advertisement. It's as if someone just replaced something like "We believe..." with "Nokia believes".--80.227.100.62 07:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: One word...

message: It's kind of ironic, or at least strange, that a Finnish town most Finns haven't even heard of, let alone visited, has managed to produce a company that is better known worldwide than Finland itself. JIP | Talk 12:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: -I am very sure every Finn knows that a town named Nokia exists. Afterall it has one of the best spas in Finland, Nokia's Eden. Nakki  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.241.217.134 (talk) 23:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: The article currently carries the following 
:In 1988 Jorma Nieminen and others started a spin-off company; Benefon Oy.   
The connection to Nokia is not clear. Was Nieminen a former Nokia employer, but Benefon established as an independent company not owned by Nokia?  The Benefon web site does not claim to have Nokia as a former parent. If Nokia did not establish Benefon, then the reference to Nieminen and Benefon Oy has no place in this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hauskalainen (talk • contribs) 10:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Benefon

message: I had to restore the version from 09JAN2006, because all versions since then had some vandalism in it.
Some legitimate content may have been lost.
Jerry lavoie 04:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: REVERTED

message: The German Wikipedia notes that the Siemens EWSD switch was put into service in Hamburg in 1980.
I once heard a claim that the E8 digital switch by Alcatel was put into service even earlier.
So it seems the information that the first digital switch put into service was the DX 200 by Nokia is not correct. —The preceding comment is by 194.138.18.132 15:26, 25 May 2007 (talk • contribs) : Please sign your posts!
:You'd need to cite reliable sources - certainly better than 'I once heard'! Wibbble 18:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, the reference to the German Wikipedia - which explicitly states EWSD was deployed in 1980, but does not claim this to have been the first digigal switch - should be enough to refute a claim that Nokia was first in 1982. Unfortunately, the German Wikipedia article does not cite any sources on the 1980 deployment, but neither does the article regarding the question of precedence.. An unsubstantiated claim should simply not be kept in an article. 194.138.18.132 07:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: First digital switch

message: No mention of Nokia's venture into handheld gaming in the article? Any particular reason for this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obonicus (talk • contribs) 00:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: N-Gage and handheld gaming

message: I understood nokia is out of the gphone os development and distribution. I dont feel like savvy enough to add it to the article, but i think it s worth adding, including its possible implications (imho it is a mistake). thanks. --BBird 21:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: gphone

message: I was planning to buy a Nokia cell phone but then I started having vague memory about their phones exploding.  So I went to read this article as I thought it might have something useful.  Well this article has nothing on it so some people have already come by and removed it from the article, making it useless as an article for good advice in this area.  I don't even need to list sources, a simply good search will find this stuff.  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Nokia+cell+phone+explode   William Ortiz 02:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember that Wikipedia is not here to dispense advice.  Oli Filth(talk) 03:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well it wouldn't directly of course.  It would explain the issue with the exploding phones in an unbiased manner.  All I heard of is basically: their phones exploded and they claimed it was generic versions of their batteries doing it.  People need to know that when buying cell phones.  I used generic batteries with Samsung phones and they worked fine, but I guess Nokia and Motorola (I heard them too but mostly Nokia) had some generic ones that were bad. William Ortiz 08:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Battery Thing was about particular amount of batteries which were produced without Nokia's consent and against technical requirements, caused overheat during charging and further melting/explosion, if that is matter for you. Nokia took it _very_ serious, with SMS-based service organized to verify batteries in place of sale by sending code from scratch-card-alike area on batteries, so one could immediately check battery in the point-of-sale. After that measure dangerous cases ceased to appear. silpol 09:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Great someone made this article biased

message: Just a comment .  Nokia is big in Latin America also . I work for Nokia . I dont see too much emphasis in Latin America.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.191.76.40 (talk) 01:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nokia Latin America

message: What about Trolltech?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.117.95 (talk) 18:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trolltech

message: Does Nokia have production facilities in Malaysia? This edit  was from someone who has been vandalising or otherwise introducing inaccurcies into articles. One or two of his edits have been perhaps correct and I don't know enough here to be confident to revert it Nil Einne (talk) 10:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Malaysia

message: "Go Green" section is very un-encyclopedic. Please rewrite. Netrat_msk (talk) 01:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Go Green

message: Is there any news of Nokia 5800 XpressMedia? 222.254.25.126 (talk) 09:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just rumors. Netrat_msk (talk) 10:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nokia 5800

message: There's absolutely no mention of Widsets anywhere on the Nokia page.  I think that there should be. 88.114.142.100 (talk) 17:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Widsets

message: The article says the pronunciation is /'nɔkiɑ/ but there's no IPA symbol ɔ on Wikipedia:IPA for English. Should it be /'nɔ:kiɑ/? The (Finnish?) Nokia developer in this video pronounces it know-kia - /'naʊkia/ or perhaps /'nɔːkia/. - s<span
style='font-size:7.5pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Microsoft Sans Serif";color:red'>Y</span><span
style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Microsoft Sans Serif"'>ndicate</span> talk 20:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no /ʊ/. "No" as in "not", "ki" as in "key" but with a short i and without any hint of h, and "a".  Some Finnish people, when speaking to foreigners, do pronounce it as English-speaking usually would, in order not to confuse them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.254.92 (talk) 18:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: IPA symbols

message: Got the page unprotected a week or two back, glad someone has made on the article now. --PopUpPirate (talk) 13:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Nokia N85]]

message: The term Xenon Flash redirects to a page that is irrelevant. Reccomended removal of redirect. Goldhunt (talk) 07:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xenon Flash 

message: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_39/b4196007421255.htm?chan=magazine+channel_opening+remarks 
Ratul655 (talk) 07:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted the sock edit, but have no opinion as to the content William M. Connolley (talk) 09:17, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steep decline / first non-Finn CEO announced 

message: Is recent history's slant towards recent events really an issue? I mean, that's the point of that section. --Topperfalkon (talk) 11:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent history 

message: In response to the template, I attempted to prosify the list of new product releases.  I'm not sure that I like it better, or that it's any improvement at all, but if you choose to revert, note that I corrected the spelling of "introduced" along the way: only one "u."  Ragityman (talk) 07:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prosody 

message: A couple of things:
*"In recent years, Finns have consistently ranked Nokia as one of the best Finnish brands. In 2008, it was the 27th most respected brand among Finns, down from sixth place in 2007." - This doesn't make it clear what "recent years" means, which wouldn't be as important if the next sentence didn't make it sound like the exact opposite was true. From 6th to 27th in a small country sounds like a precipitous drop.
*Concerning global market share, Android (operating system) mentions that platform surpassing Nokia's, which seemingly contradicts the notion that Nokia "dominates the worldwide mobile markets". Then again the sources listed here don't mention Android, so it could be an apples and oranges (no pun intended) since Google makes very few mobile phones. Still, shouldn't dominates at best be qualified?
It also feels like some of the stats given could be included later on in the article with a synthesis/summary in the intro, but that's more of a nitpick. The issues I mentioned seem fairly significant and I wanted to bring them up. Gonfaloniere (talk) 23:47, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Praise paragraph in the intro 

message: Do anyone has the full list of all nokia NFC devices???  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesomeflint (talk • contribs) 20:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  NFC  

message: diff
"Nokia also has greater dependency on England based company duo namely Symbian Corporation for its mobile operating systems and OVI for its mobile-based application software development and distribution, which has made Nokia as highest-selling mobile-phone vendor within the past few years."
The grammar doesn't make sense, and I'm not sure it should be in the lead anyway. If necessary please fix.Imgaril (talk) 17:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead removal

message: Nokia Preps Return to U.S.; T-Mobile USA Expected to Offer New Windows-Powered Lumia Phone by WILL CONNORS, CHRISTOPHER LAWTON and SPENCER E. ANTE, excerpt ... 
99.181.136.158 (talk) 00:18, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WSJ]] resource 

message: Computer monitors, televisions, and factory car speakers --217.39.35.230 (talk) 03:00, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nokia used to make things other than phones 

message: I think Nokia should revise their decision of using Windows Operating System for Nokia smart phones. They should introduce some mobiles with Android which will sell like hot cakes. People believe in Nokia's hardwares but the problem with current smart phone is that people want Android. Therefore, if Nokia launch Android phone they can achieve their lost status. Otherwise Nokia's future is dim.  
I added this text a few months ago. I think I am right as Nokia is losing market day by day. There was a time when Nokia was the largest mobile manufacturer but now they are on 2nd place after Samsung. The onlt thing that can boost Nokia's market is Android. 
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.249.168 (talk) 19:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a forum for expressing subjective opinions, future projections or seeking validation for such expression or discussion of such subject matters. --80.220.87.41 (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nokia's Future 

message: There seems to be some spam in the infobox. It would be great if someone who knows the right information could fix it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.150.15 (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam in infobox 

message: There following paragraph has been deleted with the edit summary "undue". I think it is interesting and relevant. I do not see why Wikipedia should just be a pile of irrelevant and boring facts. Let's also have some interesting information! Having said this, I do agree that this can be improved a lot, should be shortend, fact-checked (!) and moved. But it clearly should not simply be deleted. Especially not just because somebody thinks it is "undue".  Martin.uecker (talk) 03:34, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion belongs on the Nokia Siemens Networks talk page. There is simply no way that this content belongs in this article.Rangoon11 (talk) 14:37, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  surveillance in bahrain 

message: All of the references from Nokia website about history are dead. Please fix it. Thank you 1.54.39.117 (talk) 10:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: While the story told in the press is that the iPhone came and then Nokia was doomed, this is only partially true. While Nokia lost smartphone market share after iPhone and then Android phones came they were still clearly market leader and the smart devices unit was making a profit until the beginning of 2011. (BTW: it is mathematically impossible not to loose market share if you have basically 100% of the market share and others players enter the market - even if you are growing faster in absolute numbers). Only after Symbian was deprecated (and all Meego products cancelled with the exception of the N9 which was not sold in larger markets), smartphone sales collapsed and the smart devices unit went loss-making. At the end of 2011 the first Lumia smartphones were introduced, but up to now (Mai 2013) they never sold in any meaningful number when compared to former sales of Symbian smartphones (which was not too surprising since Windows Mobile/Phone never sold well before). Smartphone sales in absolute numbers are shown here: http://www.asymco.com/2013/04/18/lumia-is-the-light-visible/ (and can also be found in Nokia's reports). Also, it is often claimed that the profit Nokia made in Q4 2012 was due to the Lumia line, but this is clearly not true (as indicated by a negative contribution margin for smart devices in the quartely reports). I document this here, because these facts are often misrepresented in secondary sources and will likely be disputed. The numbers speak a clear language and can be found in Nokia's quarely reports. http://www.nokia.com/global/about-nokia/investors/financials/reports/results---reports/ Martin.uecker (talk) 04:22, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  reasons for Nokia's downfall 

message: Citation needed. --89.210.239.207 (talk) 12:40, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Headquarters are in Finland, and it was founded in Finland. So what's the problem? --Stryn (talk) 14:15, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Is a Finnish company"? 

message: Currently, it seems that Microsoft had already acquired Nokia, as declared in news, social websites and even an user Drew also says that. But two days ago, I edited both articles i.e Nokia and Stephen Elop (mainly those sentences of acquisition), and made the sentences from future tense to past tense along with correcting grammatical errors. What I found that, my edits were reverted back.
Why ?
Himanis Das  talk 11:50, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, the acquisition was announced, but it yet to be completed; it's under way. Secondly, Microsoft have only acquired Nokia's mobile sector, not the entire company. Finally, there are grammatical errors in the content you added, thereby requiring reversion. By the way, this isn't really an RfC topic, so you may want to remove the tag.  drewmunn  talk  12:40, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Your edit got reverted so now you're asking for dozens of outside editors to tell you why?  Please remove the RfC tag now.  Next time, just ask the user that reverted you. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

text: I got the RfC myself and came here. I have to agree with drewmunn, Elmmapleoakpine and especially Chris Troutman. Before placing an RfC, try contacting who reverted your content and asking why. I've had my contributions reverted in the past, a question and response later, I learned why and together we contributed superior and accurate content or at least attained consensus for what the content should be. Jumping to an RfC without discussion with the editor who reverted your contribution and no attempt at achieving consensus is rude, inconsiderate and abusive of the RfC process. I'd suggest you withdraw your RfC and discuss the matter here in the article talk page first, achieve consensus for any change and proceed from there. For major changes, you can sandbox proposed changes and request editors on the article talk page to review the sandbox content and arrive at consensus that way. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and am assuming good faith, but either ignorance of procedures on Wikipedia regarding contested edits or simply an error in requesting the RfC. Good luck in the future and happy (and accurate, cited) editing!Wzrd1 (talk) 00:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: RFC: Microsoft already acquired Nokia, why future tense ?

message: I have commenced a revision of the History section, as the grammar was poor, the tone was promotional, information was repeated, and a questionable citation was used. I understand that it may be difficult to garner reputable sources for this section, so we may have to pare it down? I will continue to look at the entire section, as I only revised one sub-section, but it would be great if any copyeditors with expertise can contribute.--Soulparadox (talk) 03:18, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: History section requires review

message: What will happen to the Nokia page after Microsoft takes its (Nokia's) largest division? this page seems to be all about mobile, and after Microsoft has taken that part of the company, over 80% of the page will not be relevant with the company anymore, will it be moved to the history section? personally I'd suggest a model more akin to I.B.M. (International Business Machines) where all the previous industries have an epitome in the history section, and a more detailed page in the actual history page of the company, while the rest of the page concentrates more on what's actually still in the company. Another possible model is that of Motorola, though that is completely different, and happened under different circumstances, also how will the pages relevant to the sold off divisions look after the deal, most will need to be updated to match it. Another model would be splitting the page into a mobile division (incl. history) and one for the company, though that would be a bad idea as there is no page for Nokia's mobile division other than this one, so I want to suggest to follow the I.B.M. model. --86.81.201.94 (talk) 10:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made an account for the Microsoft subsidiary that will hold Nokia at Microsoft Mobile Oy. All new "Nokia" mobile developments post-acquisition will go there.  I think that it's a good idea to keep the key points of Nokia's smartphone history in this article but focus on NSN, HERE and Nokia Research.  The mobile phone history text from this article could be a separate article, possibly "History of Nokia mobile phones". --RaviC (talk) 07:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, thank you, that's what I've been suggesting, I just read about Microsoft Mobile Oy on other websites and saw the page here on Wikipedia, though for some reason someone vandalised the employee number, but that aside thank you. --86.81.201.94 (talk) 10:29, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for fixing that up. I actually took the stats directly from List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Microsoft#Acquisitions; I didn't notice how wrong they actually were however. --RaviC (talk) 22:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Since pre-Microsoft acquisition information will stay on the Nokia page, I will shorten the irrelevant information on the Microsoft Mobile page. --G&CP (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-Microsoft acquisition 

message: As this article is being restructured, here's a permanent link to the last revision which contained all of the D&S information:
--RaviC (talk) 07:29, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Nokia article with D&S operations included 

message: To my knowledge, there was no N9 with that color ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Nokia_N9.jpg/220px-Nokia_N9.jpg )
The awailable colors were Cyan, Magenta, Black and White.
I think the picture should be changed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.90.110.125 (talk) 08:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, is an official colour: http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2011/06/28/nokia-n9-preview/  --RaviC (talk) 10:09, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color of Nokia N9 is fake? 

message: I suggest that we'll move all current and recent phone content to the Microsoft Mobile page, and update the employee number and the list of staff (Elop doesn't work for Nokia anymore, he's under Microsoft now), under divisions many units are placed that are no longer a part of Nokia but sold to Microsoft, can someone please revise most of the page? --87.208.17.6 (talk) 09:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is heavily outdated 

message: I suggest a potential split of all non relevant content such as various mobile telephone-related sections into a history of Nokia article modelled after the present History of Microsoft and History of Apple Inc. articles, the level of details into the mobile telephone related business is redundant to the present company and should only be explained as an epitome, while more detailed information of Nokia S40, Symbian, MeeGo, Windows Phone, Etc. can go into the history article. Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 11:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:SPLIT]] Nokia § History -> [[History of Nokia]] 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Nokia. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090208110105/http://www.nokia.com:80/about-nokia/company/faq to http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/company/faq
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071024180817/http://www.etla.fi/files/940_FES_01_1_nokia.pdf to http://www.etla.fi/files/940_FES_01_1_nokia.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20120425073135/http://www.etla.fi/files/2585_nokia_kirja_8_v2_kansineen.pdf to http://www.etla.fi/files/2585_nokia_kirja_8_v2_kansineen.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070718225357/http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/NR/rdonlyres/79BA3656-FD19-453F-984C-199A3B8AC79F/0/Factsheet_21March.pdf to http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/NR/rdonlyres/79BA3656-FD19-453F-984C-199A3B8AC79F/0/Factsheet_21March.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090625174434/http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com:80/global/Press/Press+releases/news-archive/Provision+of+Lawful+Intercept+capability+in+Iran.htm to http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/global/Press/Press+releases/news-archive/Provision+of+Lawful+Intercept+capability+in+Iran.htm
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 07:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: As Nokia mostly is known for their phones, one would expect this article about Nokia to at least have a link to a list/article about Nokia phones. Ragnar Ekre (talk) 01:57, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  List/link to list of Nokia Phones 

message: At its peak in 2000, Nokia alone accounted for 4% of the country's GDP, 21% of total exports and 70% of the Helsinki Stock Exchange market capital.
Quoted with no context at all. Sad. — MaxEnt 22:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  An insane bubble