Talk:Courtney Love

message: ===Marriage===
The introduction does not get to the fact she was married to Kurt Cobain until the third paragraph. Not sure if there are wiki rules on this, but it seems to me this is what she is most well known for. I cannot imagine a similar article about Yoko Ono, for example. She does have some personal accomplishments,but I don't think it's reasonable to play down Cobain as this article seems to.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.39.177.76 (talk) 17:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: She is best known for being the lead singer of Hole.  You are talking sexist twaddle.  62.190.148.115 (talk) 12:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

text: I'm worshipful of Nirvana and Kurt to no end, but that was 21 years ago now.  Courtney hasn't been in a 21-year period of morning here, she went on with her own life and did her own things, so I'd say that a 25-year+ career in the music industry being mentioned more prominently than a 2+ year marriage to arguably the most famous rock star of the generation. Tarc (talk) 13:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

text: Because putting unproven allegations of murder on Wikipedia is about as serious a breach of WP:BLP as you can get 62.190.148.115 (talk) 14:04, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps make a "See also" section with Kurt Cobain, Hole, etc and maybe Soaked in Bleach? JasonCarswell (talk) 10:08, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: By that same token, should Kurt's article have a link to this one in a See Also section too? 62.190.148.115 (talk) 09:34, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. 2.24.145.57 (talk) 13:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cobain 

message: The introduction does not get to the fact she was married to Kurt Cobain until the third paragraph. Not sure if there are wiki rules on this, but it seems to me this is what she is most well known for. I cannot imagine a similar article about Yoko Ono, for example. She does have some personal accomplishments,but I don't think it's reasonable to play down Cobain as this article seems to.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.39.177.76 (talk) 17:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: She is best known for being the lead singer of Hole.  You are talking sexist twaddle.  62.190.148.115 (talk) 12:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

text: I'm worshipful of Nirvana and Kurt to no end, but that was 21 years ago now.  Courtney hasn't been in a 21-year period of morning here, she went on with her own life and did her own things, so I'd say that a 25-year+ career in the music industry being mentioned more prominently than a 2+ year marriage to arguably the most famous rock star of the generation. Tarc (talk) 13:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriage

message: I find it unbelievable there is no mention of Love's possible involvement in Kurt Cobain's death. She murdered Kurt Cobain. There are documentaries and books covering the subject. Did Love's publicist write this article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.37.136.83 (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Because putting unproven allegations of murder on Wikipedia is about as serious a breach of WP:BLP as you can get 62.190.148.115 (talk) 14:04, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps make a "See also" section with Kurt Cobain, Hole, etc and maybe Soaked in Bleach? JasonCarswell (talk) 10:08, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: By that same token, should Kurt's article have a link to this one in a See Also section too? 62.190.148.115 (talk) 09:34, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. 2.24.145.57 (talk) 13:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Allegations regarding his death

message: I've been wrong about this in the past, but I decided to nominate the article for Featured Article status. I have made sure all links are active/archived, reformatted the bibliography and references so that statements are meticulously cited (Love's life details, much like her persona itself, are contentious and problematic to many), and done everything I can think of that could bring this to a Featured article status. If anyone else would like to help make any last-minute additions or improvements, I'd much appreciate it— a second pair of eyes is always helpful. Citations were a big issue when I tried to nominate last time, and I've organized the references carefully and done a complete bibliography with SFN references for additional clarity. If there are things that anyone else notices that could be tweaked or improved, please let me know! I have worked on this article on and off for YEARS now. I got it to GA status and my goal is to get it FA status hopefully, especially given that it is a high-traffic article on Wikipedia. Thank you! 
:—Drown Soda (talk) 03:55, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job on it. Minor point for the lead: I'm not sure "publisher Hank Harrison" should be in the lead as he doesn't appear to be notable. Also, in the second paragraph of #1982–1988: Early projects, are all those citations beside "Club Vatican" and beside the sentence on Sid and Nancy necessary? If none are superfluous or extraneous, you can bundle them up into one visible citation (WP:CITEBUNDLE). , I added citation needed tags to uncited statements in the sections #1994–1997: Live Through This, acting career; #2003–2007: Solo career, America's Sweetheart; #2008–2011: Hole reformation; and #Musical style; If any surrounding citations also cite those statements, you should place the citation at the end of those sentences as they are statements that are likely to be challenged. The filmography section should have more than a link to the main article in accordance with MOS:PARAGRAPHS. As long as no major/important information is missing, the article is written in WP:NPOV, giving WP:DUE weight, there's no original research, every quote is cited, every statement that is controversial or likely to be challenged is cited with reliable sources, and there's proper and consistent formatting, this should definitely pass. Btw, you can post this FAC on the talk of music wikiprojects: WP:MUSICIAN, WP:ALM. Lapadite (talk) 06:55, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, I was on your trail! I cited the united statements that you marked, so I *think* everything has a proper citation now. Thank you for pointing those out! I'll bundle/simplify some of the other citation points you mentioned. Thank you much! —Drown Soda (talk) 07:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol that was quick. Yep, at least what I pointed out from my skim. No worries. Lapadite (talk) 07:18, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

text: Also, why not use this image:  in the "Cultural impact" section, given that the long quote states: "She frequently stood on stage, microphone in hand and foot on monitor, and simply let her Fender guitar dangle around her neck."? Just an idea :) TrueHeartSusie3 (talk) 15:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominating for FA 

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message: This articles gives the impression Love is sober now and she is not, from her own mouth and other sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.130.236 (talk) 22:57, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly sounds like another attempt to make her look bad by a Kurt Cobain murder theorist—which is nothing new here. Obviously there is no definitive way of knowing what she does on a day-to-day basis, but the consensus given her relatively normal behavior and the documented cases of her being in rehab ca. 2006-07, she doesn't appear to be the hard drug user she once was. Care to cite any sources or material where she admits to being on drugs "from her own mouth"? Drown Soda (talk) 22:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sobriety 

message: While the article includes the reference “At age nine, a psychologist noted that she exhibited signs of autism.[21][23][24]” within the “Early life” section, the categorization of the article within the WP “Category:People on the autism spectrum” has recently been deleted. This is particularly troubling considering that Note 24 within the “References” section cites a reliable source link which states that “Love, who has garnered a well-deserved reputation as a nonstop gabber, confesses to being disturbingly mute up until then. “I didn’t ever really talk until I started hanging out in ’80 or ’81 with the drag queens at the Metropolis [or Met, a gay new wave club] in Portland. I was very, very quiet. So much so that at one point when I was very young I was diagnosed as a probable autistic.” As with Notes 21 and 23, the source link for Note 24 is incorrect, and its citation appears at a different source link ( https://books.google.com/books?id=oJSpnH7TRHsC&pg=PA47&lpg=PA46&focus=viewport ). Once corrected, this citation and source link offers additional proof that the article’s subject was diagnosed with autism at a young age. In combination with Notes 21 and 23, this additional proof suggests strongly that deletion of the article’s categorization within the WP “Category:People on the autism spectrum” was in error and should be restored immediately as one of the defining features about the subject.2001:558:6008:3B:21AD:3716:A921:81B1 (talk) 17:26, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autism 

message: This isn't Love talking of herself in the third person, is it?  If it's someone else's commentary, it requires in-text attribution, not just a citation. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "she couldn't live her life 'with a hole running through her'" 

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message: I'm considering creating a standalone article named "Courtney did it" that details conspiracy theories that claim Love killed her husband Kurt Cobain. I want people to vote in this section for whether it should be made or not. -User:Danielcool123 18:15, 5 January 2019 (GMT)
:Sure, do you have a draft?  Jay (Talk) 17:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote on "Courtney did it" standalone article 

message: You do know his linked name does not go to him but to Britney Spears wiki bio?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.120.254.61 (talk) 04:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The link has been removed.  Jay (Talk) 17:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

text: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Sam Lutfi. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 13#Sam Lutfi until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Jay (Talk) 11:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  SAM LUFTI 

message: In the second sentence of Artistry:Influences I find the word 'retrieved' out of place. I'd suggest 'received'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.86.71 (talk) 22:32, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , by "retrieved" did you mean "picked up"?  Jay (Talk) 17:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

text: .  Jay (talk) 15:11, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong word / typo 

message: Hi! I can't edit yet, so could someone add to the explanation of the band name Hole, that it is "a junction of the contrast of how she felt with what she was advised to do"? My sentence can be one-to-one transferred and is a template.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SalomeBoffi (talk • contribs) 12:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: But that sounds meaningless... 2.24.145.57 (talk) 13:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going in depth on the band name Hole 

message: I would like to change the typo of "wrotr" to "wrote" Arcade Wise (they/them) (talk) 14:23, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2022 

message: Please change "Cobain killed himself" to "Cobain died by suicide". It's language recommended by mental health advocates and suicide prevention agencies 103.80.123.168 (talk) 15:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: see MOS:SUICIDE, no particular form of suicide language is prohibited on Wikipedia Cannolis (talk) 19:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2023