Talk:Brandon Flowers

message: Is this in any way relevant? Is there a source for this? I don't think it's customary on Wikipedia or IRL to introduce people by their full ancestry.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.44.245.104 (talk) 20:54, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Lithuanian American

message: This section really seems to be a trivia section disguised as something else. Anthony Rupert 14:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed, section tagged as trivia, one item should be merged into text. Benjiboi 15:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Brandon Flowers#Selected events|Selected events]]

message: Resolved. 
Rufus Wainwright has a song on his new album called Tulsa and he says on a TV interview that it's about a night he spent with Brandon in Tulsa.  Draw your own conclusions, Rufus is openly gay.
No... Rufus Wainwright's song is about a night he spent IN A BAR with Brandon in Tulsa. That's not exactly hard evidence of homosexuality. Lazylisa (talk) 04:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't heard the song, but even if it were to scream the words "Brandon Flowers is gay," it would not be Flowers proclaiming his sexuality.  That can in no way, shape, or form be construed as a reliable source about his sexual orientation.  It can not be used in the article. Aleta (Sing) 13:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flowers' sexuality 

message: Resolved. 
I highly doubt that Brandon died on the 22nd, considering that not even The Killers official website mentions anything about it. I really don't think it's true, and if it's not, someone please fix it. It's one of the few things with this page (besides the incorrect formatting) that's bothering me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.140.232 (talk) 02:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it true? 

message: "On August 2, 2005, Flowers married longtime girlfriend Tana Munblowsky in a private ceremony in Hawaii.No byline (2005). "Killers Singer Brandon Flowers Marries Longtime Girlfriend" VH1.com (accessed Oct. 14, 2006)  The two dated for approximately four years before they wed. On July 14, 2007, the Flowers' first child, a boy named Ammon Richard Flowers, was born.Wigney, James(July 29, 2007). "More from The Killers" Retrieved July 28, 2007.
Flowers is a devout Mormon. He has described his personal faith as a "very important" part of his life. He has joked that "I don't think the make-up would go down so well at church." Flowers has also stated that he does not oppose gay rights, saying "I think everybody should have equal rights." "Interview with Brandon Flowers" ArjanWrites.com (accessed April 12, 2006)"
i moved this from controversies into carear, it doesnt really fit in carear but its better there than controversies--82.35.192.193 (talk) 21:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good edit. I created a "personal life" section to hold the info.  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 21:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

text: According to this recent interview, Flowers defines himself as being a devout Mormon. Pretty interesting read. He named his son after a prophet from the Book of Mormon. Wildroot (talk) 09:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a controversy 

message: In the articles about Brandon's early life or personal life, someone that is an important part of Brandon is missing.  From what I know Brandon's cousin Justin Padleski is very close to him. When Brandon moved back to Las Vegas his junior year of High School he lived with Justin and his family.  They have a close relationship that is not mentioned in the article and it should be.  Maybe Brandon can add to this...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2greeneyes (talk • contribs) 06:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brandon's cousin 

message: There are three facts here:
*He favors gay rights, which puts him at odds with his church and makes him a public ally.
*He is a gay icon within certain communities, with his music touching on some related themes.
*He is straight and happily married.
If these are mentioned, they must be done in a very fair and explicit way. The Squicks (talk) 02:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "gay" thing 

message: His wife is pregnant again with another son.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 17lswllstrt (talk • contribs) 23:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny, I do a google search, and the sources mentioning a pregnancy are from more than a couple years ago, therefore about their existing son. Their official website says nothing about it, either. Whip it! Now whip it good! 03:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's official 

message: The Killers frontman isn’t afraid to speak his mind, but even after criticising Green Day and U2, he’s still got a legion of high profile fans. Before the band’s headline slot at Oxegen, Ed Power finds out what we love about Brandon Flowers. Irish Independent–Friday July 10 2009. This may be a useful source for anyone who is interested. --candle•wicke 03:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brandon Flowers: Killer Instinct 

message: I double checked the reference article on him saying he's straight,
and he never even says that at all.
I'm removing it.  Blindeffigy (talk) 11:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brandon says he's straight 

message: The name Ammon might very well be of import to the LDS sect but it is a very common Hebrew name (as is David, or Simon, or Seth) which appears throughout the Old Testament of the Holy Books of Christianity and Judaism; it is nonsense to claim he named his son after an Ammon who appears as a separate entity in the Book of Mormon - that's like saying a Latino member of the LDS who calls his son Jesus does so in honour of the Jesus in the Book of Mormon.Iamlondon (talk) 05:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you've every lived in Utah, you see that a lot of kids out here are named after people in the Book of Mormon. Then again, a lot of kids out here are named after biblical prophets, so I see your point. 174.23.93.50 (talk) 03:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Son's name 

message: In the portion of the article titled "Early Life", the word "Scottish" is spelled with only one 't' and that makes me sad. Please fix this so I can be less sad.
Scotlandforever7 (talk) 23:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Thanks.   Salvio  Let's talk about it! 00:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Scotlandforever7, 12 February 2011 

message: The Daily Mail is a tabloid that is not usually considered an RS on Wikipedia, and when a tabloid uses the term "bizarre" to describe the video campaign it comes off as a little POV.  I recommend the removal that statement and reference.  I wanted to discuss here rather than just revert Good Olfactory. 72Dino (talk) 23:08, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps: though the DM story did get picked up by a lot of other sources around the world and its story was one of the primary news sources about Flowers' video. The reason I added it is that we do need something in a secondary source about his appearance in the "I am a Mormon" video, otherwise it's just original research. Is there a non-tabloid source about it? Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe this Slate article would be a better source for it?—. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: CNN. 72Dino (talk) 23:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: How do we treat news reporter blogs? Are they considered different than run-of-the-mill blogs? Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:57, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: They are different per WP:NEWSBLOG (there's still editorial oversight.) 72Dino (talk) 00:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought they might be treated differently because of that. For this issue—I'm happy, so long as there is a reference. I've included the Slate one, because it focuses on Flowers' video, but I'm fine with other refs being added. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, I'm fine with the Slate ref, too. 72Dino (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the [[Daily Mail]] as a reference 

message: Related to the section immediately above: a user has stated that the Slate article is degrading to the LDS Church. I don't see anything in the article that I would regard as degrading towards anything or anyone. There is an unfavorable quoted comment by Christopher Hitchens at the beginning, but that's in reference to an entirely different article. What exactly is the concern? And we need a source to avoid original research, as discussed above. Is there a preferable citation that should be used instead? Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I really wish :User:Joemeservy would comment here instead of repeatedly reverting the Slate article reference. We discussed the need for the Slate article reference in the section immediately above. It needs to be discussed if there is a perceived problem with it, and a suitable replacement reference suggested. Good Ol’factory (talk) 14:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good Ol’factory, the video is in and of itself a promotional item made for the purpose of reaching a large audience, which it has.  Accordingly, this is a primary source which has been reliably published (by the church).  It contains Flowers' own words about his religiosity and therefore not an independent third party as well as no analysis, synthesis, interpretation, or evaluation of the material is given.  The article states simply that he was "featured on the church's website in a promotional video".  I see no need for a secondary source.  Also, the secondary source you provided takes aim at the church's political position on same-sex marriage which does not perhaps reflect the best views of Mr. Flowers, since there is no mention of his views personally.  --Joemeservy (talk) 15:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: @Joemeservy — You need a better understanding of Wikipedia's citation requirements, including wp:Verifiability, wp:Identifying reliable sources, & especially wp:SECONDARY/wp:USINGPRIMARY. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 16:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: @Joemeservy — Out of hand reverts (especially when completely unexplained) to article fixes (which themselves were properly justified and adequately described in edit summaries) that are unrelated to your wp:EDITWAR are nonconstructive and borders on vandalism. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 20:36, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with 208.81.184.4 on the edit war issue. :User:Joemeservy, you have violated WP:3RR a few times in the past day or so. If reported, you can get blocked for doing that. I'm not going to report you if you can understand that you need to stop removing the citation unless a consensus develops here that it should be removed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

text: So, to me it looks like you have a bit of a conflict of interest here, in that you are being "paid to edit", essentially. Regarding your points: (1) actually, it is necessary. We need secondary sources to verify information written on Wikipedia. Including primary sources only (ie, only a link to the video) constitutes a type of original research, which is not the way WP is written. (2) I'm not sure that Haglund's Mormon background means that we shouldn't use the source. The reason we are using it is because it explicitly discusses Flowers's video, which is what we need the source to do. We have lots of sources that are used on WP in articles about Mormons that have been written by former Mormons and current Mormons. Former and current Mormons tend to write about other Mormons. The Slate article might carry with it a particular point of view, but that's the inherent nature of a secondary source. I find it to be reasonable neutral with respect to Flowers's video--it certainly doesn't mock it or imply that it is bizarre, as several other existing secondary sources do (see the above section for a Daily Mail source that was more problematic and objected to by some editors). It's very difficult to find a secondary source that has no point of view, and even if you did find one that you think is neutral, other readers would probably find a point of view to it. I find Haglund generally fair in his treatment of Mormons and Mormon topics--certainly more fair than many other writers out there. Anyway, since what we need is a secondary source, a way around using the Slate article would be to find another neutral, secondary source that discusses Flowers's video. This is the best source I have been able to find, though. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Diff for additional details about  COI. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 17:09, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you type that "concerned sound" that Marge from The Simpsons always makes? Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: After an exchange at Joemeservy's talk page (permalink), as well as the one for the the IP address I edit from, I am bowing out of any further participation with this article and it's talk page, as well any further communication (direct or indirect) with that user. His words have succeed in effecting a chilling effect. Do what what will with this article, Joemeservy; I will have nothing more to do with this matter. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 19:02, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Slate article

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thread_title:  To secure phone numbers shouldn't we just meet up at the house of Blues..lol 

message: @ChristensenMJ you removed an improvement here that helps clarify the sentence to non-mormons. The sentence uses the full name of the church at the start, but in the quote that immediately follows, the religion is referred to as Mormon. Since most people don’t know that Mormons are formally called Latter Day Saints, it improves clarity to have the parenthetical after the church name clarify that “Latter Day Saints” are Mormon. Your edit changes the parenthetical to call the church “LDS”, which is a term that is not used anywhere else in the page. 
Why do users need to know that the church is also called “LDS” here? It makes more sense to clarify that Latter Day Saints are also called “Mormon”, as that’s the word the subsequent quote uses. Remember, this isn’t educating people on the history of the Mormons, just clarifying the quote from the article’s subject. Magicmat (talk) 21:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, did the user tag wrong: @ChristensenMJ Magicmat (talk) 21:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi, Magicmat.  Thanks for the question and your efforts across WP.  As noted in the edit summary, this is simply using WP's manual of style for articles related to the church.  The standard editing uses the full name, as you noted, on first instance.  What follows the full name isn't a quote but is the standard MOS usage for establishing the short name for its use later in the article. I hope that helps some in directing towards the MOS page. ChristensenMJ (talk) 21:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  “LDS” vs “Mormon”