Talk:Soviet OMON assaults on Lithuanian border posts

message: Should the article be moved back to its original name Medininkai massacre per reasons listed above?
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*Support The killing were reportedly carried out execution-style, after victims were disarmed. Doc15071969 18:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've provided the exact names, and hope that our colleagues from Lithuania may easily double-check the facts by making 2-3 phone calls. mikka (t) 18:30, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you did, but what are your sources? Thanks in advance for answer. Burann 18:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's say old KGB skills :-) Text corrected (could not read commas; poor old eyes). mikka (t) 19:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for correcting the text. So, you think the article should stay about all the assaults in general, not only about the Medininkai massacre? By the way, I think the Russian names for the towns here are wrong - the real Russian names are similar to Lithuanian ones, but written in cyrillic. While the names that are given currently are I guess old names, which weren't used anymore in the Soviet Union (similarly to e.g. Dvinsk, Vilna and such). Burann 23:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It would be interesting to collect data about all border incidents. They are prety small texts, and one article for all will be enough. mikka (t) 23:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Names: Basically, you are right. These Russian names  were used when the incidents happened, and they are useful when searching for the incidents in Russian texts (and Polish ones). mikka (t) 23:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My two cents: I like the current title. However, going further, I think Lithuania was not the only one with such border attacks. What about Latvia, Estonia? The article could be expanded to include all of it. Would be really interesting. The only thing is that info is not that readily available. 1990-91 were very confused years and the Internet did not exist... Renata 03:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move: Medininkai Incident→Medininkai massacre

message: *border guard officer Gintaras Žagunis who was killed at Krakūnai border post on July 19th, 1991
*On 19 May 1991, Gintaras Žagunis, an officer at the Krakūnai border crossing point at the Lithuanian-Belarus border, was shot dead while on duty.
*On May 19, 1991, in Krakūnai Border Check Point, the shift commander was killed
*Short biography says May 19
*And some other Lithuanian-language sources say it's May 19. But I have to say, I have never heard about it before. Kudos, Mikka. Renata 05:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Krakunai

message: 1. As user Ghirlandajo have said, the usage of the pharse "Lithuanian citizens" that is being reintroduced is doubtful; Lithuania was then not recognised as independent by many countries, many Lithuanians still had Soviet passports. Why not just use "Lithuanians" instead? Burann 23:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to speak formal, they were citizens of Lithuanian SSR, according to passports of Lithuanian SSR (like for any other Soviet Republic). "Lithuanians" is an ambiguous term. mikka (t) 01:00, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'll let it be this way. Burann 17:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Why this is not in the article, then? mikka (t) 01:00, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I have added information now. The reason why I haven't added it previously is because I usually don't like adding information when I don't have a written source close to me *right now* so I could check that everything is 120% correct. Anyways, what I wrote now is what I remember well that I have read, I remember hearing some other things in relation to the incidents, but I would add them only if I would get the sources close to me, and the sources on these events are quite hard to find in Latvia now. Burann 17:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Currently the way the Tomas Sernas' involement is written, leaves an ambiguous impression as to whether he was handicapped as a result of the assault, or was handicapped prior to the assault. Don't want to change it without knowing the facts. Dr. Dan 18:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, he was handicapped during the attack - my English is, however, far from good, it is not my native nor my first foreign language, sorry. I don't see any ambiguity, but as English is your native language as I understand and you see it, that means it is probably there and you should correct it. Burann 18:38, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: Does wikipedia really need to provide the new names of people in a witness protection program?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_OMON_assaults_on_Lithuanian_border_posts#Investigation_and_trials Pär Larsson (talk) 17:04, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a real "witness protection" program. Details of his identity change are widely reported and known. His cover 9if there was any to begin with) is blown wide open. In this case, the details are needed as he is being tried under the new name for something he did under the old. Renata (talk) 18:23, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Witness naming policy? 

message: The second sentence of the article uses "strive" as a noun. I would have expected "strife". Is this a US English / British English difference?  Or just a mistake? Or is there something else I am missing? Maproom (talk) 06:25, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strive 

message: If there were 60 people injured, how can Tomas Šernas be described as the only survivor? DS (talk) 13:39, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He's the only survivors of Medininkai incident. Renata (talk) 16:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survivors?