Talk:Pull-up (exercise)

message: gjdm extremist pullups D***, whoever the d00d in these animated gifs is, he is one strong hombre. User:220.253.75.243 01:27, 22 April 2007
*ya no kidding. i think we should remove him though cause he makes me feel bad. plus it might give people the idea that they can pack on 200 lbs and start doing pull ups. User:66.235.65.174 06:12, 13 May 2007
yes he is very strong!  he is moving around a little more than he should, probably he has strong biceps movement going on.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ykral (talk • contribs) 11:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Strong

message: Hi! The first animation is a chin-up, not a pull-up! Ddes3 17:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not true at all. It is clearly a pull-up, with the hands facing outward. Raoulduke25 (talk) 23:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is true.  Read the description; the back of the hand faces out / away from you for a pull up. The guy in the animation clearly has the back of his hand facing him (you can see his thumb in the first image).  Someone should either change the description if they think that a pull up has the back of the hand facing toward you or change those animations to reflect the current description.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.152.96 (talk) 20:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Animation

message: The one-arm animation should be removed as it is not truly a one arm. In order for it to be a one arm he should not be thrashing like he is. It should be one smooth movement.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.28.124 (talk) 19:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I agree. Shouldn't be promoting bad form. I also question the form of the weighted pull-up as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angry bee (talk • contribs) 14:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  One-arm 

message: supine/australian row- I can't see a reason why this would be listed under pull-ups (exercises). Yes it is a bodyweight workout. When you change the pull angle from Vertical to horizontal it becomes a row. User:Extremistpullup 14:45, 11 May 2011
*The reason to include it is that it also involves pulling the body up. The change in pull angle is not a valid reason to remove it, people arch their backs during so-called vertical pull ups to touch their chest to the bar (sternum-up) yet they remain pull ups. Nor would the feet being in contact with the ground as people do this for assisted pull ups. DB (talk) 16:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see it being being a "pull-up" variation if you waist is bent and you are using your legs to take some of th weight off. As long as it's vertical or mostly vertical. 
Can you make a gif of the supine row? Another variation could be, tuck your feet to your chest rotate your body horizontally and pull yourself up to the bar. But I would consider this a bodyweight row. There are so many variation. Extremistpullup (talk) 19:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

text: *Honestly I'm pretty confused at where to draw the line between rowing and pull ups. Usually the term row gets used for open-chained free weight movements (oars, barbells), the use of a bodyweight row almost seems like an analogy. I mean, if we can call bodyweight movements a 'row' because of the motion I'm almost tempted to call rows (even upright rows) some kind of pull up because of the direction of the bar. I guess that's why it seems good to call this a form of pull up, since we tend to reserve the term pull-up for bodyweight movements. Presenting both row/pull names is probably good since it's referred to as so many different things. I mean, come to think of it, if I doubled your idea (rather than rotate 90 to get a supine full-weight pull up-row thingy) and rotated 180 to hang upside down and then pulled up (this would actually be a similar angle to doing an upright barbell row I'm guessing) even that would be a kind of pull up... Would it be simpler to call things 'pull up' when the body moves through space, 'row' when the body is fixed and we move another object, and 'pull-down' when using pulley devices? I can't really decide rules because it's basically language and the rules are so subtle with no clear authority behind them, hm. As for making a GIF, I have a perfect pull-up which I can do the supine row australian pull up thingy (although I hate the design, the arm swings into and bashes teh door frame a lot...) and make a movie file, but I don't know how to change movies into animated .gifs. I'm wondering if you remember how to convert it like that? DB (talk) 13:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove

message: Gym Jones: Quality gymjones.com is Spam. Adding a link to website because it has a 29 word discription for a pull-up is redundent with the current link from http://www.exrx.net. It is an opinion piece promoting the site. I believe the reason it was added was to promote the site and it's advertisment for seminars, certifications, and memberships fees. User:Extremistpullup 15:12, 11 May 2011
*A valid enough objection, the only thing is if we remove a link it's good to mention it here as well as why in the edit summary. DB (talk) 16:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Jones

message: Update The GIF's, my form is questionable on some of them. Extremistpullup (talk) 19:45, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: Specific Guidelines on how to perform a weighted pull-up for a world record. ie. Pull-ups require a pronated grip. Extremistpullup (talk) 00:10, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds relevant if the criteria can be posted without violating copyright, so long as it's clarified 'guiness record' rather than 'a world record' which is kind of vague. They're the most well known collectors of world records but not any kind of authority on what we should name an exercise. They help to show both sides of the story though, yeah. AweCo (talk) 14:17, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Weighted Pull-up

message: I added two links on here. The first shows people how to do pull-ups when they don't have a bar, which was not explained in the article. The second discusses form and what to look out for. I think they add some valuable information to the article. The first link was already deleted. I don't understand why? What was wrong with it? I also put in a bit of information on possible widths of the grip. It's short and maybe I can expand it a bit more in the next days 92.228.119.51 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Links and section on grip width added

message: for its redundancy of "1 Etymology" Extremistpullup (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: so grips just variations in how you do them isn't it better suited for the section "List of some variations"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extremistpullup (talk • contribs) 00:42, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

text: *That's a good point, I guess it would be possible to merge it with that chart. The only thing I'm wondering is, do we have accompanying animations? Though the supine/mixed grip doesn't have them so I guess that's okay. I think in that case, there really isn't an established 'standard' so all forms of doing pull ups would be variations. AweCo (talk) 11:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

text: * I made the other Gif's but I'll leave it up to others to make there own. I still have no idea how a body weight row is considered a variation of a pull-up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.227.135 (talk) 16:38, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: vote to remove "2 Grips"

message: Is there any more official source for the World record weighted pullup? I've been searching the Internet and can't find any. 402 pounds just seems ridiculously low considering the fact that most fit men can do a 200 pound pullup (his own body weight). Compare this to the unassisted bench press record of 713 pounds: Almost 4 times what most fit men can do.--71.194.190.179 (talk) 17:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's 402lbs added weight, not including bodyweight. Very few people can do a proper pullup with their own bodyweight added. If you include bodyweight then it becomes much closer to the bench press, especially considering that the pullup is not a competitive lift (comparatively few people seriously train weighted pullups). Although of course any comparison with the bench press is rather arbitrary, it has very different prime movers and leverages. ··gracefool 💬 23:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No gracefool it's not 402lbs of added weight, it's 402lbs total weight (i.e. including bodyweight). 218.214.175.194 (talk) 02:21, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weighted Pullup Record 

message: Noticed this muscle at Pull-up_(exercise)#Shoulders:
:"serratus anterior pulls forward to rotate the scapula downward"
The serratus anterior article says it rotates up to elevate the arm. Can it do both? Different sections are mentioned, so maybe specific parts do 1 or the other? It was mentioned that there is a superior/middle/inferior part.
Rather than discuss it here, since this pertains to anatomical function of a specific muscle, I think this would be appropriate for Talk:serratus anterior muscle although I started a topic for this at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anatomy#Serratus. There's always more to learn about these muscles, hopefully we can learn if and how it might work during pullups. If so, we shold probably add to chinups and pulldown exercise too since they're pretty similar and if the SA worked in one you'd think it'd work in the others too. Y12J (talk) 22:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[serratus]] 

message: I wouldn't advise ignoring this analysis of the muscles used. -Kortoso (talk) 17:41, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's more accurate than a lot of the junk muscles listed on here, but Wikipedia has problems with establishing reliable sources, preferring popularity over accuracy. 64.228.90.179 (talk) 18:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muscles 

message: The existence of this article is under discussion at Talk:Chin-up -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:11, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Chin-up

message: Pull-up_(exercise)#In_armed_forces uses :File:USMC-120412-M-UY543-003.jpg however the description of that file clearly says "participate in a team chin-up competition here". There is no reference to the term "pull-up" so the image is not appropriate for that reason. We should use an image whose filename or description uses the term pull-up. This image is more appropriate for use in the chin-up article.
I propose :File:US Navy 101116-N-8335D-097 Lance Cpl. Brendon Wald, assigned to the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (31st MEU), does pull-ups aboard the amphibious.jpg which clearly says "pull-up" instead. Ranze (talk) 23:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Requesting substitute military image

message: flexed arm hang redirects here but there is nothing about it in the article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.193.98.46 (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  flexed arm hang 

message: "L-sit" (aka: "L-hang") pull-up is missing from from the 'Variations' table.  Googling either term will find numerous potential sources. Anybody "up" for adding this?  2606:A000:4C0C:E200:CCFA:802A:8BDD:BA79 (talk) 21:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  L-sit pull-up 

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message: As noted in multiple RS these two articles are about the same exercise. Some sources use "pull-up" for overhand and "chin-up" for underhand grip, but as noted in the lead of the chin up article this is not consistent. Overhand, underhand, neutral, mixed, and rotating grips can be discussed in the same article with sections on terminology and differences between grips. There is not enough sourced content to warrant a separate article about underhand grip only. (t · c) buidhe 23:18, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there's no objection I'm going to complete the merge. (t · c) buidhe 17:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Chin-up]] into [[Pull-up (exercise)]] 

message: I need to get around to recording a better head image before it gets to the main page lol (t · c) buidhe 01:43, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Did you know nomination