Talk:José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero/Archive 3

message: I think the Jose Mena's sack was a secundary news in the local press and it should be moved to 6.3. Also, i will change catalonia autonomy reference for "he impulsed a new autonomous statute for Catalonia" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.32.42.48 (talk) 01:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stray comment

message: I notice someone deleted the José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero category. I am fine with the article as it is and also happy to see that all the sub articles are now redirects. I strongly support that they remain that way, SqueakBox 04:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: State of the articles

message: Lokks to me like Hagiographer is a Zapatancas sockpuppet. His edit summary Inserted links to articles redirected by user banned from editing the article. It seems he deletes them as part of his fight against other user. in poor Spanish attacking me is pure Zapatancas and of course I wasnt banned when I made the edits which were supported by every user other than strange Hagiographer. Bet he wants US spellings too? SqueakBox 13:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sockpuppet

message: I've updated the article. I've removed old information that doesn't look as important now as it did one year ago and that can be found in the sub-articles. I've found that in the article there were several mistakes, for example, the surname Armendáriz was written Armendáris. I believed that in the fight between SqueakBox and Zapatancas those mistakes were added on purpose as part of the conflict between them. So I've recovered a version previous to the edit war and I've added to it the scarce new information that have been posted here in the past two months. Hagiographer 07:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: Although Hagiographer's comment above sounds reasonable, in fact the "edit" s/he has performed amounts to vandalism. Huge tranches of useful information have been removed and many smaller edits that had greatly improved the article have been eliminated, for example the well-considered changes by David Kernow and the genuine update, now restored, by Zape82 regarding the education system. Indeed, far from being an "update", as claimed, the article is now mutilated compared with the version as of 05:24, 10 July 2006. In my view the article should be reverted to that version, the bot edit of  00:33, 11 July should be restored, and if Hagiographer wants to make such drastic changes s/he should discuss them here first. AdeMiami 06:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Update" is really vandalism and should be reverted 

message: Excuse me, AdeMiami but I ask you not to use the term vandalism so easily. You must assume good faith first. I believe you have made that "mistake" also in good faith, but I think you are wrong. As far as I know, I have not removed any information. I have only removed that information that was already in the sub-articles and that refers to old events or that I think it does not belong here. For example, that thing about "Asesinato en Febrero", what is the use of having it here? It has nothing to do with Zapatero. If it has to be placed somewhere is in the articles about the March 11 attack. Please tell me what information I have removed that were so useful and all that. If necessary, I can accept I made a mistake. Regarding those edits by David Kernow, I have already recovered them - I believe. I don't find them so impressive but quite petty and unimportant but it is true there is not reason not to recover them. 
Besides, it something amounts to "vandalism" is your request to go back to the edition of July 10, so the vandal here is you!!! :-) You are requesting to recover mistakes such as "Armendaris" instead of Armendariz, that is petty vandalism difficult to detect. SqueakBox, and probably, Zapatancas, added mistakes as part of his fight.
But of course, I believe that everything has been a misunderstanding. By the way, what this article really needs is not to keep that tons of old information that are already in the sub-articles but to   include into it the most modern events that have taken place. So, probably, more information currently present will have to be reserved to the sub-articles. 
AdeMiami, I recommend you not to become an instrument of SqueakBox, a user banned for insulting other users. So please, if you are interested about keeping information in the Wikipedia, what do you think about redirecting the sub-articles to the main article? SqueakBox insulted me first when I reverted his redirections, so it would be good if you could prove you are acting in good faith and not as a part of the campaign he started against me even before ever talking to me. SqueakBox really destroyed information and mutilated an article. 
By the way, I have changed the title of this section because I think that AdeMiami will recognize that the use of "vandalism" was inappropriate and it amounted to an insult, something forbidden in the Wikipedia ;-). Hagiographer 14:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation 

message: I'm not sure that the sacking of Gen. Mena is correctly attributed to Zapatero. As I understand it, former Defence minister, José Bono was responsible for Mena's punishment and sacking. I get a funny feeling that this is not only incorrect but that it's being given too much significance.
One source: http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_5328.shtml
I'll leave the edit for now, and see if anyone agrees with me before I make the change. Tomclarke
I agree, SqueakBox 00:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mena 

message: Why has all the relevant info of this article been moved to various sub-pages? In my opinion it makes the article look like a skeleton, previously this was a full-fledged article.--Jersey Devil 19:24, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, possibly a straw poll to find consensus is in order to settle this.--Jersey Devil 20:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub-Pages

message: I have eliminated the links to antizapatero pages as this is not a political webpage but an enciclopedia. As well links to pages such as el Zapatazo or los Genoveses are not acceptable links in the Spanish Wikipedia. I also added again the Leadership of the PSOE succesion Box, which I have aded to all the recent leaders of the PP, PSOE, IU & PCE (but Hernandez Mancha and Gerardo Iglesias with no article) as I think it ads interesting Information to the article.--Zape82 09:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links and Succesion Box.

message: Most recent coments on Isral Lebanon conflict are absolutely POV and unsourced. The ONLY offical satement on hizbula made by the spanish governement was the stament made yesterday by Minister Moratinos at the Foreign Affairs comitte of the congress and where highly critical on Hizbula and Hamas. Criticism by the Spanish PM is always directed to the attack on cicilians. --Zape82 17:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Israel-Lebanon Conflict

message: a) Wikipedia IS NOT a forum nor a blog. So crictical comments and not encyclopedical comments are not welcome. You are of course welcome to have your own blog or post on poblic forums. But wikipedia is not the place to do it. I am higly critical on som policies by the current governement, but my criticisms are not encyclopedical, as well as if I public  on articles to promote my personal Party. As NPOV must prevail on an encylopedia open to anyone.
b) You have errased a signed comment by myself which I consider an utter lack of respect to a fellow wikipedian, aswell as heavy trolling. 
Por si no te enteras e lo digo en Español:
a) Wikipedia NO ES un foro ni un blog. Asi los comentarios criticos y no enciclopedicos no son bienvenidos. Por supuesto si tu tienes tu propio blog o posteas libremente en foros de politica. Pero la wikipedia NO ES el lugar para hacerlo. Yo tambien soy muy critico con el gobierno actual. pero no considero mis criticas enciclopedicas, ademas tampoco me dedico a postear articulos promoviendo mi opción politica personal. Recuerda que la Neutralidad debe de primar en una encilopedia siempre
b) Has Borrado un cometario firmado mio, lo que me parece una falta de respeto a  otro wikipedista. Ade mas de hacerme ver que eres un troll.--Zape82 17:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Important Message to alex_pedre@hotmail.com

message: Who prefers
Hagiographer version?
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Pura Paja version?
#User:SqueakBox 01:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw poll

message: Somebody asked a citation about that Zapatero's phone call that George Bush ignored after being reelected. The source was in Zapatero's foreign policy, the article SqueakBox wanted to destroy. Hagiographer 07:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zapatero's call to Bush 

message: Altering other users comments will not be tolerated Here, SqueakBox 03:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalsim

message: Adopting a commonsense approach to identification, the administrators of Wikipedia have decided to enforce the provisions of this case against anyone who exhibits behavior similar to that of SqueakBox and Zapatancas, to wit: Hagiographer and Pura Paja, and anyone else who engages in warring, tendentious edits, personal attacks and harassment related to José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero and related articles.
Pura Paja has been blocked indefinitely because of his username.
The ban on editing José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero and related articles will now be applied to , as will the personal attack parole, because his involvement in the mutual harassment campaign closely resembles that of Zapatancas and it is reasonable to treat Hagiographer, for the purposes of this dispute, as if he and Zapatancas were one and the same person. For good reason, any administrator may extend the article ban to other editors exhibiting substantially similar behavior. --Tony Sidaway 10:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/SqueakBox and Zapatancas]]

message: Substituted at 20:37, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BlackApe I advise editors to check these contribs before listening to anything the highly rascist user  has to say. Relator 19:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Racist user Hagiographer

message: Zapatero is described as an teaching assistant, it should be a teaching assistant. I have no idea whether teaching assistant is better than assistant professor or not but I would be tempted top revert this edit myself, SqueakBox 01:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor edit

message: Zapatero was born in Valladolid to a long history of socialist politics doesnt make sense grammatically, removing the bit about the wealthy family is fine by me but the sentence needs to make sense. Can someone please change it? SqueakBox 16:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor edit 2

message: :Zapatero ran against three other opponents (José Bono, Rosa Díez and Matilde Fernández). Matilde Fernández was the candidate of the guerristas (an important faction of the Socialist Party, characterized for its left-wing leanings) while José Bono was the candidate of the reformers. Rosa Díez is a Basque politician who was a kind of intermediate option.
:Zapatero was a dark horse who had against him his inexperience and in favor his image of renovation and being the only MP among the candidates. (All the Spanish opposition leaders have been MPs before winning the elections. That is very important in Spanish politics where electoral campaigns last for only 15 days and to be widely known long before they begin is essential.) Bono was deeply disliked by the guerristas, which also favored Zapatero significantly. 
Randroide 11:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced statements 

message: ::At the end of 2004, Zapatero decided to change his policy and to become the first Spanish prime minister to accept the participation of Gibraltar as a partner on the same level as Spain and the United Kingdom in the discussions both countries hold regularly about the colony. The decision was criticized as a surrender of the Spanish rights to sovereignty over the British colony by the Spanish opposition. Zapatero justified it as a new way to solve a 300 hundred years old problem. 
So delete it. I was transferring materialfrom other wiki[pedia articles on Zapatero to this one and suggest you tackle the editors who made these statements and the articles in which they are. Blaming me when I am just trying to help is horrible. --Episodiod 17:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More unsourced statements 

message: :In this regard, during the meeting of the European Union Justice and Home Affairs Ministers held in Tampere on September 22, 2006, some of the European ministers reprimanded the Spanish authorities for the aforementioned massive regularization of illegal immigrants which was regarded as too loose and opposed to the policies of other State members (on September 2 and 3rd alone, during the height of the last illegal immigration wave, 2,283 people arrived illegaly in the Canary Islands having shipped from Senegal aboard of 27 traditional Senegalese boats El País, October 9th, 2006, in Spanish). It must be noted that, once they reach Spanish territory, the illegal immigrants can travel freely -for the internal frontiers are basically open- within the European Union; thus, it is not strange that some of them have as their final destination some other European country. This started a short lived polemics between France's Nicolas Sarkozy and the Spanish premier Rodríguez Zapatero.  Randroide 11:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of sourced statement 

message: These statements were taken from The early years of José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero (1960-2000) José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero's years as an opposition leader and Foreign policy of José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero--Episodiod 20:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where I got the additons from 

message: Here I have not edited this article, I have reverted a nasty edit attacking a living person to the previous version and therefore I dont consider I have broken the arbcom ruling on being forbidden to actually edit the article. Thanks, SqueakBox 15:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism revert isn't an edit

message: Despite myself having just made some minor additions, the article is twice as long as reccomended by Wikipedia:Article size.
The thing is that the sections regarding his early years are too in depth, we should focus on his times after gaining preeminence as opposition leader and, later on, premier. I may start trimming the article soon but anybody else, feel free to do so. Mountolive | Talk 06:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too long

message: Surprisingly, this article is much longer and much more detailed than the Spanish Wikipedia entry for the same subject! Its expression could easily be improved by a native English writer, which I propose to start on. It's a bit repetitive and I will try to cut this down. As for references, I'll leave that to later. It will require a lot more work.
islander 02:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unorthodox English expression and too long 

message: It is my understanding that it is the custom in Spain and other Spanish-speaking countries to consider the first last name (which comes from the father) as the main surname, not the final name.  Therefor, when referring to José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero by only one name, it should be Rodríguez, not Zapatero.  I don't want to go through such a lengthy article to make all the changes, especially without first consulting others, but I'm pretty sure this is the correct convention.  Godnoble 19:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's correct what you mention about spanish naming customs, however, in this case, Zapatero (or his marketing agency) chose this second surname over Rodríguez, given the abundancy of "Rodríguez" in Spain. He may also think that this is a "feminist" gesture as well. While your point is correct, it shouldn't be changed here because he is known and wishes to be known, as Zapatero, instead of Rodríguez.
Mountolive | Talk 19:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Zapatero is known as Zapatero and that's enough for us. Why he is known as Zapatero not Rodriguez could indeed be included if sourced, SqueakBox 19:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That's right, the President of the Spanish Government is known as el Sr. Zapatero (Mr. Zapatero) for the reasons you explained, but only in the case of absence of his name, José Luis. So, it's impossible and incorrect to say José Luis Zapatero. The full name has to be José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero.--Cyril-83 12:50, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rodríguez vs. Zapatero 

message: It's a not specially subtil right wing (popular´s party) article. For instance, It is very curious the underlining of the real relationships between Tamayo and Rodríguez Zapatero while said nothing about the meetings and logistic help gave for the president of the PP in Madrid or even the famous extreme right supporters like the chief of Radio Intereconomia.
In this way the article underlines that Zapatero blame ETA at the very first moment (as Aznar did, but said nothing that the government continued seying that Eta was to blame the whole day, calling the newspapers giving them "special information" about Eta was to blame and even forcing UN to condemn this "ETA action".    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.235.113.28 (talk) 21:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested changes

message: Unluckily I will have to make comments on a user. User Rubén Mar has been making delusional edits on Spanish politics such as claiming the General Council of the Judiciary Power's crisis is caused strictly by the PM, and not by the fact that CJPJ is in caretaker functions since last year due to the impossibility of reaching an agreement in its renewal in the Cortes, the crisis has lead to a crisis in the Constitutional Court of Spain due to the fact that the Chairwoman and the Vice-Chairman are both CGPJ appointees. Rubén Mar has shown in all of his edits an utter lack knowledge of the Spanish legal and constitutional system despite being Spanish and a pro gender terrorists (Gender violence) bias. Trying to link everything with the Comprehensive Law Against Violence against Woman as if it was the only issue in Spanish politics. I advise editors specially Spanish ones with a knowledge in Spanish politics and constitutional system (no Spaniards with the same knowledge also) to review his comments and see they are completely false and biased claims.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zape82 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the edits by Rubén Mar

message: This article has been heavily vandalised by unknown users over the last day, probably the same as his IP always starts with the same series of numbers, I sugest that it is closed to unregistred editors.Zape82 09:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm attempting to remove today's vandalism... [edit] Seems like somebody beat me to the punch! ;)The Sporty Jew (talk) 22:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I doubt that he´s really a Catholic, even if he was raised as one. There´s any source who can confirm that ? User:Mistico
:I agree, he definitely should not be included in that category. Feel free to remove, I don't think anyone could have a problem with that edit. Mountolive 05:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree to.Zape82 12:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Roman Catholic politician

message: Up until now one sentence in the first paragraph went "Actions of his government have included withdrawing Spanish troops from Iraq, a failed and controversial negotiation with the armed separatist group ETA,..."
To me not only "failed" and "controversial" exclude each other (if something is controversial there are different opinions about whether it failed or not), but at least the former clearly is POV and stylistically inadequate.
I have simply deleted the term "failed". I hope you all agree.
janfrie1988 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janfrie1988 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV in the first paragraph?

message: zapatero won again in 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murcia comunidadjudia (talk • contribs) 21:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election 2008 

message: Regarding the weight of the Madrid bombings on 11/03/04 in the general election, in my opinion it was not the terrorist attack that influenced the result, but the outrageous lies defended by the Popular Party during those three days (at least that was my case and the people around me). As shown by the also outrageous murder of Isaías Carrasco last saturday, torrorism by itself does not have the power to decide who is to be the President of the Government. I think this article should elaborate about the misinformation practiced by the PP in that period.
Also, I perceive a certain degree of impartiality in this article, focusing too much on the criticism received by Zapatero, and not enough on the policies implemented.
--78.4.161.58 (talk) 10:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2004 bombings/election - impartiality 

message: In this article it is stated that his father is or was a prominent lawyer. Whoever has written that should give arguments for that statement. I am sure it is completely false, and his father was just a lawyer as many others.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.77.11.211 (talk) 10:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zapatero's family 

message: Have removed the following as it does not related to this article, which is already long enough and rambling enough for it to have to get clogged up with this. Am pasting it here for future reference and/or action:
Zapatero's cabinet
Cargo                                                                                                	Titular
President of the Government                                                                          	
* José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero
First Vice President of the Spanish Government                                                       	
* (2004 - ): María Teresa Fernández de la Vega
Second Vice President of the Spanish Government                                                      	
* (2004 - ): Pedro Solbes
Minister of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation                                                          	
* (2004 - ): Miguel Ángel Moratinos
Minister of Justice                                                                                  	
*(2004 - 2007): Juan Fernando López Aguilar
*(2007 - ): Mariano Fernández Bermejo
Minister of Defence                                                                                  	
*(2004 - 2006): José Bono Martínez
*(2006 - 2008): José Antonio Alonso
*(2008 - ): Carme Chacón
Minister of Economy and Finance                                                                      	
*(2004 - ): Pedro Solbes
Minister of Interior                                                                                 	
*(2004 - 2006): José Antonio Alonso Suárez
*(2006 - ): Alfredo Pérez Rubalcaba
Minister of Fomento                                                                                  	
*(2004 - ): Magdalena Álvarez Arza
Minister of Education and Science (2008 - : Minister of Education, Social Politics and Sport)        	
*(2004 - 2006): María Jesús San Segundo
*(2006 - ): Mercedes Cabrera Calvo-Sotelo
Minister of Work and Socials Affairs (2008 - : Minister of Work and Immigration)                     	
*(2004 - 2008): Jesús Caldera Sánchez-Capitán
*(2008 - ): Celestino Corbacho
Minister of Industry, Trade and Tourism                                                              	
*(2004 - 2006): José Montilla Aguilera
*(2006 - 2008): Joan Clos i Matheu
*(2008 - ): Miguel Sebastián
Minister of Agriculture, Fishing and Nourishment (2008 - : Minister of Environment, rural and marine)	
* (2004 - ): Elena Espinosa Mangana
Minister of Presidency                                                                               	
*(2004 - ): María Teresa Fernández de la Vega
Minister of the Public Administrations                                                               	
* (2004 - 2007): Jordi Sevilla Segura
* (2007 - ): Elena Salgado
Minister of Culture                                                                                  	
* (2004 - 2007): Carmen Calvo Poyato
* (2007 - ): César Antonio Molina
Minister of Health and Consumption                                                                   	
*(2004 - 2007): Elena Salgado
*(2007 - ): Bernat Soria
Minister of Environment                                                                              	
*(2004 -2008): Cristina Narbona Ruiz
Minister of Housing                                                                                  	
*(2004 - 2007): María Antonia Trujillo Rincón
*(2007 - 2008): Carme Chacón
*(2008 - ): Beatriz Corredor
Minister of Innovation and Technology                                                                	
* (2008 - ): Cristina Garmendia
Minister of Equality                                                                                 	
* (2008 - ): Bibiana Aído
Spokeswoman of Government                                                                            	
*(2004 - ): María Teresa Fernández de la Vega
--Technopat (talk) 14:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zapatero's cabinet 

message: Propose removing much of the stuff devoted to local León politics - might be of interest for the Spanish Wikipedia, but too detailed for anyone not preparing a biography. It would also help reduce the number of  inline citations, as per recent single-source template.
Happy to be bold on this one but would like some sort of feedback before tucking in... --Technopat (talk) 10:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I am concerned, you can sharpen your scalpel and proceed. However, I dont think the tummy tuck in the Leon lower parts would really affect the {onesource} tag, because it is not a matter of reducing fatty text (and therefore citations from that source) but a matter of introducing new sources. In other words, we could reduce OCAM from 37 to, say, 15, but they still would be too much if those are the only source for a significant part of this article MOUNTOLIVE  fedeli alla linea 13:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings MOUNTOLIVE. Thanks for feedback - and consensus ;)  Fully agree that more sources are needed, but a reduction in the number of OCAMs (which would be the result of reducing some of the non-notable content) would make the article less top-heavy. Countdown to meatball-surgery day has begun... Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 17:59, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belly-gazing 

message: I have been reading some internal Masonic material which does not hesitate to claim that a Zapatero government equals a Masonic government.  Of course, any public mention of Masonry is taboo, but in the case of Zapatero the Masonic element is reputed to be so strong that it can be mentioned without serious problems. There are also Spanish priests that have written books about this (see the article Catholicism and Freemasonry). ADM (talk) 23:08, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Zapatero and Freemasonry

message: As promised threatened proposed above (in Belly-gazing), have started removing what I consider unnecessary detail of no interest to anyone not actually writing a biography of Zapatero. If anyone considers some, or all, of what I have removed to be critical to understanding the subject matter, please return it to article:
A document of New Way proclaimed the group's objectives: "New Way' wants to generate a project of political and social change for and from democratic socialism, a Socialist project to allow the PSOE to recover its credibility and the citizens' trust."(OCAM) Óscar Campillo Madrigal. . 1st ed. updated. (, Spain, April 2004). . p. 234
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The members of Nueva Vía were, on average, 40 years old. Among the most prominent of them were Zapatero, Trinidad Jiménez, Jesús Caldera, Jordi Sevilla, José Blanco, Antonio Cuevas, Enrique Martínez,etc.(OCAM) Óscar Campillo Madrigal. . 1st ed. updated. (, Spain, April 2004). . p. 229
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Enrique Martínez played an important role in the promotion of Zapatero. He was the director of the "Escuela Jaime Vera" a school belonging to the party that trains Socialist Leaders. His network of contacts became essential.(OCAM) Óscar Campillo Madrigal. . 1st ed. updated. (, Spain, April 2004). . p. 236
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He and Jesús Caldera knew José Luis Balbás, a prominent member of the Socialist Federation of Madrid (FSM). He had belonged to the Unión de Centro Democrático, the center party that won the first two democratic elections and joined the PSOE in 1981. He is an entrepreneur, an auditor and a consultant. He belonged to a sector within the FSM called "Renovadores de la Base", that amounted to a third of the FSM. (There were other two sections: the so-called leguinistas - followers of a former president of the regional government of Madrid called Joaquín Leguina and the guerristas.)(OCAM) Óscar Campillo Madrigal. . 1st ed. updated. (, Spain, April 2004). . p.  237</br>
In April 2000, Zapatero, Caldera and José Blanco had lunch with Eduardo Tamayo, a friend of José Luis Balbás in the party, in a restaurant in Madrid. (Tamayo would become later a representative of Zapatero in the 35th party national conference and a major character in the so-called crisis of the Assembly of Madrid, described later). At the end of the month the "Renovadores de la Base" decided to support Zapatero. Balbás agreed to be part of the team of New Way after being invited by José Blanco and Enrique Martínez.(OCAM) Óscar Campillo Madrigal. . 1st ed. updated. (, Spain, April 2004). . p.  238-239 He played an important role during the campaign and the 35th conference. For example, Balbás together with Blanco controlled the list of delegates with all the data about them. It was a fundamental job, as the different tasks of promotion needed that list, at least, to contact the delegates for the conference.
--Technopat (talk) 22:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of unnecessary detail 

message: Please see rationale above:
In 1987, he instigated, as one of the main leaders within the Socialist Party of León, a pact to win the mayoralty of León after the elections held that year. The previous mayor, Juan Morano, had occupied the post since the first local democratic elections in 1979 as his independent party had always won the most votes, even in the 1987 elections when it obtained 12 seats. The Socialist Party (nine seats) created a deal with Alianza Popular (the predecessor of the current People's Party), which had four seats, and an extinct center party called  Centro Democrático Social (2 seats). The mayor eventually elected belonged to Alianza Popular. Zapatero and his allies justified the civic pact, as it was called by its supporters (or the cynical or hatred pact, as it was called by its opponents) by stating that it was necessary to change the "negative dynamics" of the city, to "normalize" its democratic life, to end its "bad relations" with other institutions (like the Regional Government of Castilla y León), to lessen the social tensions "promoted" by the independents, and to eliminate the supposed system of patronage. Months later the pact was broken by pressures from the regional leadership of Alianza Popular and Juan Moran became mayor again.(OCAM) Óscar Campillo Madrigal. . 1st ed. updated. (, Spain, April 2004). . p. 138 fol.
--Technopat (talk) 22:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further removal of unnecessary detail 

message: I am a Spaniard living in the USA for 8 years, reading El Mundo and El Pais daily, and following Spanish politics for the last 20 years. This entry about Rodriguez Zapatero focuses on his weaknesses and controversial decisions while only briefly mentioning the positive aspects of his politics. The sources are clearly biased towards the conservative side of Spain politics. Hard to believe that the Madrid bombings conspiratorial theories (the bombings were meant to change the elections) are given coverage here (in the US, this would be the equivalent of the Jews being responsible for 9-11, something only hard-core fanatics believe). The excessive level of detail when discussing local politics contribute to the overall negative image projected of Zapatero. I read the article on Aznar and it is excellent, neutral and informative, I wish the Zapatero entry could follow the same guidelines. Immuno leon (talk) 05:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Less neutral article I have read on Wikipedia so far, biased against Zapatero 

message: What exactly is this? Where can I find this picture? I find it odd that there is no explanation 216.165.95.66 (talk) 02:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sad Face Zapatero? 

message: This section has a Hoax template. It is easy to see that there is controversy over the accuracy of this section, but it should be explained why, and which part, may be a hoax.  I have just placed the hoax template on a quite implausible section of an article. Now I have been looking at the other articles with a hoax template. Some are clearly doubtful material and should be deleted, some I don't know one way or the other, but the section of this article on Rodríguez Zapatero does not seem like a possible hoax. Inaccuracies, speculation, sure. I will await replies, but at some point the hoax template should either be removed, or the problems with the section corrected with reliable sources cited. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  /* Influence of the attacks on the election outcome */  

message: I am from Madrid and can not believe that nobody has mentioned the extreme unemployment in Spain that has underpinned the last years of Zapatero's years as President. There is an overwhelming feeling of hostility against the PSOE for having driven Spain into economic turmoil and caused over 4 million unemployed with a further 1 million unemployed unaccounted for. Spain's economy is now penultimate in the EU, only just beating Lithuania. In the year 2009, over 1 person became unemployed every 40 seconds. These are all statistics from spanish TV news. Spain has just begun it's presidency with the EU for the next 6 months and Zapatero has claimed he will help resolve the economic crisis in Europe. The media and people, in general, have scoffed at this as he can not even control the domestic economy. Zapatero's reputation is fast becoming disreputable and comical and there is talk of the PP presenting a motion of censure ("mocion de censura") to PSOE in order for them to call elections pre-maturely for Spain's domestic and foreign affairs can not to go in such a dire state. I am new to Wikipedia and don't know how to reference properly, but if any one spends even 5 minutes on the internet looking this up they'll find the citations and so forth. I find it ridiculous that there are so many paragraphs written about Zapatero and Spain's current issues and there is nothing whatsoever mentioning unemployment which is becoming the complete ruin in Spain as well as the most crucial issue.
A.M.M
Manners316 (talk) 19:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass unemployment 

message: In many aspects this is not neutral (in my opinion)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.124.80 (talk) 00:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Complaining about it on the talkpage (especially in the middle which hardly anyone reads) won't solve the problem. Editing the article yourself would be far more productive. Valenciano (talk) 21:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not neutral 

message: Can you please leave the Don honorific on the same line as his name? The reason I had it like that was to distinguish the 'Excelentísimo Señor' honorific, only held by the Prime Ministers and regional Presidents, from the usual Don honorific which can be applied to any notable person in Spanish society.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.226.21 (talk) 13:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honorific 

message: I know this isn't vitally important, but I wanted to explain the minor edit of his name and there wasn't an appropriate topic that was already in the discussion page.
His name was originally transcribed as [xo̞'se̞ lu'is ro̞'ðɾiʝe̞θ θapa'te̞ɾo̞]. I changed the voiced palatal fricative [ʝ] to a voiced velar fricative [ɣ]. The written g in Spanish would never be transcribed as a palatal fricative.
Again this isn't vitally important, but it's obvious that a lot of you have put a lot of work into this, and I wouldn't want to see a change made by an anonymous reader without justification.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.30.105.180 (talk) 13:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that compound given names in Spanish are pronounced as if they were only one word:  shows explicitly that José Luis is pronounced in Spanish as "joseluís", i.e. [xose'lwis]. Lubrom (talk) 18:20, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonetic transcription of name 

message: The actual word applied to the Head of Government of Spain is "President of the Government" or "President", not "Prime Minister". Due to this fact I´ve introduced the correct terminology. By the way, I´m Spanish, so I know it. - Follgramm3006, 16/04/2008, 17:10  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Follgramm3006 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Zapatero was received at the Pittsburgh G-20 summit as the "President of the Government of Spain".--Follgramm3006 (talk) 01:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prime Minister vs. President 

message: his maternal grandfather supported the coup d'état of Franco and he was killed by Republicans during the war.
or
His maternal grandfather, Faustino Zapatero y Coronel, was a paediatrician and middle class liberal who died in 1978.
Which is it? It can't be both182.240.33.106 (talk) 04:16, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant contradiction - needs to be sorted 

message: Zapatero will remain Spanish PM until Rajoy is sworn in by the king on Wednesday. For now the info box should reflect this.90.222.137.240 (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zapatero Still PM 

message: Zapatero will remain Spanish PM until Rajoy is sworn in by the king on Wednesday. For now the info box should reflect this. 90.222.137.240 (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zapatero Still PM 

message: Doesn't Zapatero supports the restoration of the republic in Spain? Most of the PSOE members are certainly republicans.213.13.244.151 (talk) 00:41, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The PSOE is not anti-Monarchist. In fact, it is often said that PSOE PMs (Gonzalez and Zapatero) had a closer and more amiable relationship with King Juan Carlos than PP PMs (Aznar and now Rajoy).--80.26.120.40 (talk) 12:44, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Republicanism

message: Is Zapatero the first head of goverment in the world with a female-majority cabinet? --71.118.38.219 (talk) 22:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know; it would be an interesting addition if true... --Roentgenium111 (talk) 13:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Female-majority cabinet 

message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. 
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:24, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion|Request for Comments]]