Talk:Blackboard bold

message: 𞺡𞺢𞺣𞺥𞺦𞺧𞺨𞺩𞺫𞺬𞺭𞺮𞺯𞺰𞺱𞺲𞺳𞺴𞺵𞺶𞺷𞺸𞺹𞺺𞺻. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:21, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why aren't the arabic letters included? 

message: I know that "in fiction" sections are much less used these days, but I wanted to mention that "Blackboard Bold Uppercase Y" (𝕐) is an important character to the fictional SCP-𝕐, a popular work in the SCP Foundation wiki. 50.5.2.43 (talk) 16:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If you find a reliable source that makes a concrete connection between the subject of this article and whatever it is you're talking about, then we could consider it; until then, definitely not. JBL (talk) 18:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable inclusion? 

message: I imagine this article is about to get a lot of attention and a flood of edits in light of Musk's announcement that the new Twitter/X Corp logo is one of the symbols on this page. Do we think it's newsworthy enough to add or not? 74.64.100.109 (talk) 14:54, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it does not need to be mentioned. You can write about this topic at Twitter under Elon Musk. –jacobolus (t) 15:12, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

text: For context, here are page view statistics for a bunch of relevant pages (click 'log scale' to better see some of the smaller values). –jacobolus (t) 21:34, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

text: There is widespread coverage     of Twitter using a specific typeset's version of the Unicode doublestruck X as its logo, and the Unicode glyph is being used to represent Twitter. People—such as Victor LP, creator of the redirect originally pointing to Twitter—are absolutely typing "𝕏" expecting to get some kind of content about the Twitter rebrand. And, per WP:RECENTISM, we shouldn't give them that directly, i.e. we shouldn't have the glyph redirect to Twitter. But "𝕏" is a valid alias for Twitter, and WP:HATNOTERULES #4 is clear: When a name for something does not lead to the article on thing, there must be a hatnote linking users to the relevant article or a DAB. Hatnotes, especially section-level hatnotes, are cheap—readers just skim past them if irrelevant—so I don't see why this is a big deal. There are probably hundreds of thousands of hatnotes across Wikipedia for less notable alternate meanings.  -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 22:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: 𝕏 is not an "alias for twitter". 𝕏 is a "symbol that looks approximately similar to the 'placeholder' logo Elon Musk recently imposed at twitter, which is (maybe soon but not actually yet) being renamed to 'X'" (note, not 'double-struck X' but just 'X'). –jacobolus (t) 00:17, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "𝕏" is a plausible search term for someone looking for Musk's rebranding of Twitter. Furthermore,  discusses the use of the glyph. Thus it should have a hatnote. It is as simple as that. There is literally no downside here, while even a marginal benefit to readers (and I'd say this is well more than marginal) justifies using a hatnote.  -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 01:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll notice that Twitter#Rebrand_to_X does not even link to this page, nor does it directly mention 𝕏 –jacobolus (t) 01:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It did mention it, just not by name. Which is bad writing, so I've remedied that by adding  and a wikilink to this article.  -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 02:04, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

text: As follow-up here, @Tamzin, notice that 2 months later all of these terms have now fallen back from the peak to roughly (within 30% or so) their pre-spike baseline level of viewership (tick log scale), with "𝕏" typically getting a mere handful of views. –jacobolus (t) 14:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twitter Logo 

message: @Tamzin – there has been a momentary large (relative to background levels for the same page) spike in people visiting Blackboard bold and also a lower spike in people visiting the newly created 𝕏 redirect, but there's no evidence that people are going there to find out about Twitter. More likely, people are wondering "what in the world is blackboard bold" or "what in the world is this unicode 𝕏 character". Whatever quick blip we got from social/traditional media attention is going to die off within days, and there's really no significant value in adding a hatnote here.  Readers trying to find out about Twitter, X Corp., Elon Musk, etc. are very unlikely to try to find it via an obscure Unicode glyph, nor are they likely to have any trouble finding those via the direct page titles.
I think it's bad form to include a hatnote because we could just as well include one for every other blackboard bold letter (there are many corporate logos, etc. which look like various hollowed-out letters), but it starts to get ridiculous. Someone can easily find X or X (disambiguation) (or substitute your favorite other letter) if they need to find random other uses of these English letters. –jacobolus (t) 21:31, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: For context, here are page view statistics for a bunch of relevant pages (click 'log scale' to better see some of the smaller values). –jacobolus (t) 21:34, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

text: There is widespread coverage     of Twitter using a specific typeset's version of the Unicode doublestruck X as its logo, and the Unicode glyph is being used to represent Twitter. People—such as Victor LP, creator of the redirect originally pointing to Twitter—are absolutely typing "𝕏" expecting to get some kind of content about the Twitter rebrand. And, per WP:RECENTISM, we shouldn't give them that directly, i.e. we shouldn't have the glyph redirect to Twitter. But "𝕏" is a valid alias for Twitter, and WP:HATNOTERULES #4 is clear: When a name for something does not lead to the article on thing, there must be a hatnote linking users to the relevant article or a DAB. Hatnotes, especially section-level hatnotes, are cheap—readers just skim past them if irrelevant—so I don't see why this is a big deal. There are probably hundreds of thousands of hatnotes across Wikipedia for less notable alternate meanings.  -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 22:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: 𝕏 is not an "alias for twitter". 𝕏 is a "symbol that looks approximately similar to the 'placeholder' logo Elon Musk recently imposed at twitter, which is (maybe soon but not actually yet) being renamed to 'X'" (note, not 'double-struck X' but just 'X'). –jacobolus (t) 00:17, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "𝕏" is a plausible search term for someone looking for Musk's rebranding of Twitter. Furthermore,  discusses the use of the glyph. Thus it should have a hatnote. It is as simple as that. There is literally no downside here, while even a marginal benefit to readers (and I'd say this is well more than marginal) justifies using a hatnote.  -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 01:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll notice that Twitter#Rebrand_to_X does not even link to this page, nor does it directly mention 𝕏 –jacobolus (t) 01:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It did mention it, just not by name. Which is bad writing, so I've remedied that by adding  and a wikilink to this article.  -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 02:04, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

text: As follow-up here, @Tamzin, notice that 2 months later all of these terms have now fallen back from the peak to roughly (within 30% or so) their pre-spike baseline level of viewership (tick log scale), with "𝕏" typically getting a mere handful of views. –jacobolus (t) 14:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hatnote 

message: Could someone try to track down specific references for ? Right now we have a lot of plausible but unsourced claims there about which symbol is used for what. –jacobolus (t) 00:32, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for the 'usage' section