Talk:George Herriman

message: To the anon editing from 70.22.210.31, what is the source of your information? Your change of Herriman's ancestry to being the son of "a French father and African-American mother" seems contradicted by census information listing both parents as "colored" or "mulatto". Wondering, -- Infrogmation 20:32, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the reply. I think the recent edits are okay; note the census designation of his family as "mulatto". The part of town he grew up in was predominently Creole at the time, and I'm not away of anything contradictary with the info in the Louisiana section of the Creole article. Yes, "Creole" was cultural, the desination "of Color" is the racial part, to use terms of the era. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 00:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also possible that "French chef" didn't mean that he was from France, but rather that he was a specialist in French cuisine. --Jfruh 03:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herriman's ancestry 

message: I'm not going to bother editing this page anymore, since all my previous attempts were immediately undone. I will make a few minor points, however:
The second sentence currently reads:
"George Herriman was born in a light-skinned Creole of Color family in New Orleans, Louisiana, both of his parents were listed as "mulatto" in the 1880 census."
That's a run-on sentence.
Also, since Herriman is primarily remembered (for most people, I'd say only remembered) for his creation of Krazy Kat (which I personally believe to be the greatest cartoon strip ever)... wouldn't it make more sense to somehow introduce Krazy Kat much earlier in the article? Right now it's basically chronological, which throws the first mention of Krazy Kat quite far down. Wouldn't it make more sense to put that mention right in the first sentence somehow?
Another point: I think the discussion of racial identity in Krazy Kat is fine, but it might leave a reader with the misimpression that that's primarily what the strip was about. Actually, the racial theme was only one of many in the strip; I believe that the majority of the strips had nothing to do with race.
Also, there's no mention in the article that many people consider Krazy Kat to be the greatest (or one of the greatest) strips ever done, and no explanation of what made the strip so great. Perhaps this would be too 'point of view' for an encyclopedia, but it seems that without this, why should most people (not very familiar with Krazy Kat) even care about Herriman or realize why he's so special?  User:70.22.208.84
How was he able to pass as white?  he's clearly part black. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.7.249.68 (talk • contribs) 
: "Clearly" to who?  Many who knew him at the time didn't know. -- Infrogmation 16:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor points 

message: Maybe I just don't understand racial profiling deeply enough, but given that Herriman's parents were both mulatto, that would make Herriman a mulatto, too, wouldn't it?  A mulatto is, by definition, someone who is mixed-race, right?  So is it really appropriate to have him placed in the "African-American comics creators" category?  Wouldn't that be like saying he was all black?  CüRlyTüRkeyTalkContribs 05:08, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The traditional view in most of the U.S. is in one-drop rule, but things were more complicated in New Orleans... AnonMoos (talk) 01:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is "mulatto" Black? 

message: Seems to be in article twice... AnonMoos (talk) 01:41, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You probably saw the article right in between edits.  It's only there once now. Curly Turkey (gobble) 02:27, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Musical Mose illustration

message: There's a discussion on which comic-related articles should be listed as "Top Importance" on the importance scale, and I feel this article should not be included. If any user disagrees or wishes to contribute, please do so there. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Importance? 

message: It looks like Ronald Paulson has interesting things to say about Herriman/Krazy Kat.  Does anyone have access to this book? Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly interesting source 

message: "Personal history" seems like an odd choice of term for the opening section. Should we change the title of the section to "Biography"? 850 C (talk) 18:42, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Personal history" 

message: Here's a link to a New York Times book review of Krazy: George Herriman, a Life in Black and White. The content in the review (12 January 2017), accessible online, can be used to update the page. -- Deborahjay (talk) 20:52, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Tisserand's book provides earlier ancestry documentation - January 2017 

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replies: text: Cyberpower678: right, thanks a lot!  I've been meaning to do a major update to the article ... sould get on that one of these days ... Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links found that need fixing (December 2019) 

message: Because his grandfather was George Herriman Sr. and his father was George Herriman Jr., should the George Herriman of this article be referred to in some sections as George Herriman III? 172.250.44.165 (talk) 18:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily. If his middle name was different from theirs, he technically wouldn't be the third. (Also, nearly all of the places we call him "George Herriman" are direct quotes. In the context of the article he's just "Herriman" .) -Jason A. Quest (talk) 19:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Herriman III? 

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