Talk:Streetlight Manifesto

message: since 67.85.33.127 went ahead and got rid of me in the crew section without actually putting my replacement into the article i updated the article with the relevant information. <3. Knowles 21:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I heard Streetlight's van was robbed and they lost all their equipment (and are practically broke). Is this true/not true?Zombieliving 19:30, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Entirely true, check their site. I was going to add it to the article but I'm not really that good a writer. Ian Moody 19:48, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Streetlight Got Robbed

message: It would support this excellent article if the red link to Ska is Dead could be fixed! Punkmorten 20:34, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ska is Dead 

message: Is it really proper to have it say, twice, that Keasbey Nights was leaked onto the internet before its release?  I mean, that happens with EVERY album nowadays, it's not like it's notable anymore.     seinman 15:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internet leaked? 

message: i added this:
 	 	 
"Trivia 	 
- 	*Track 3, 'Point/Counterpoint' shares it's name with a novel by Aldous Huxley, Point Counter Point. Huxley is considered one of the greatest writers of the 20th century. 	 
- 	*Track 8, 'Here's to Life' references 3 famous writers and artists; Van Gough, J.D Salinger, Ernest Hemingway. The other name mentioned in the song, Holden Caufield is a character from J.D. Salingers book 'The Catcher in the Rye'. 	 
- 	*Track 12, 'The Big Sleep' references Bob Dylan in the second Verse; 'Me and Mr Dylan on the ride home, we had a heart to heart about life, but neither him or me could decide for ourselves if we wanted to outlive that night'."
it's all true, why was it removed?
:Because Ian Moody will cry if you mess with his perfect creation. --Mr. Anon 02:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps because this is the band's article and not Everything Goes Numb ;-)  —SJHawtin 10:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: As I pointed out in my edit summary, because "this is not the right place for that info".  And as SJHawtin mentioned, a much better place would be the Everything Goes Numb article, where in fact you will already find one of those pieces of trivia. — Ian Moody (talk) 13:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was my section removed? 

message: First, I think an explanation of the origin of the band's name would be interesting.  I looked around the Internet for it but couldn't find it.  Does anyone know(and have a reliable source that confirms) this?
Also, in the section "more line-up changes", it just says May 31 but not which year.  I'm assuming that it's 2005 and putting that in.
I changed two uses of "the band are" or "the band were" because the sentences referred to the band as a whole, not individual members of the band.  See English collective nouns.
The tour history should also include what role Streetlight played.  Did they headline?  Open?  Only a few indicate this. KevinPuj 02:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always wondered if Meat Beat Manifesto might have inspired it, but I don't know (and that would be original research). 71.90.130.7 (talk) 05:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few things 

message: The critical reception section seems to more of a fan review than a neutral one.  Phrases like "When it [Keasbey] was released it did not disappoint" don't really seem to contribute to content of the section.  — ShadowHalo
:I agree, that section is worded a bit POV and should be changed, but Ian Moody "owns" this article so I guess it's whatever he wants--aviper2k7 21:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Grow up.  The original commenter is right, and it seems like a fan review because it was written by one, me.  If someone wants to improve it please do so.  The other sections could do with improvement also, the history section for example is probably far too detailed and could do with trimming and rewording.  — Ian Moody (talk) 21:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd change it myself but I'm not sure what the best way to do it would be.  Maybe moving the part about selling out shows to a different section and just removing the part about releasing Keasbey?  — ShadowHalo 23:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I highly agree but I'm afraid I wouldnt be of too much help because I absolutlely despise Streetlight Manifesto. Any actual critical reviews I've seen though have been mainly positive, though not very enthusiastic. It definitley needs to be changed though as it has absolutley no information on their critical reception and only shows the reception by their fans which of course makes it sound biased. I'd actually suggest removing this section as "Critical Recpetion" sections are more commonly important on pages for albums rather than bands. Glassbreaker5791 00:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Critical Reception

message: Hey I just found out this article was a featured candidate, and I'd like to help make it one. If there's anything I can do (I don't mind lots of work), just tell me. Thanks.--Chopin-Ate-Liszt! 02:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Opinions aren't very encyclopedic. I think it's a bit too POV because it is unsourced, and there isn't really a way to source it. I've never heard them live to be honest, but the comments you added seem to be against WP:WEASEL. "which some claim" is a weasel words. Critisism should always be backed up by a reliable source (not a internet forum), and should be by a professional. That's my two cents. I'm going to remove the statement until it can be verified.-aviper2k7 05:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How can I help?

message: The Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution album A Call To Arms EP stated that a new album from Streetlight called 'The ------- Diaries' would be released. Is this the name for the new album or an old name for Everything Goes Numb? Does anybody know?
:"The Keasbey Diaries" was always the rumored title for their next album, not for Everything Goes Numb. At least, that's what i've been lead to believe.  - seinman 19:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ------- Diaries? 

message: Is the article Keas Bees real? If so, does anyone have any proof that it is? GhostBoy66 23:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a hoax. There is not one source to suggest this is remotely true.++aviper2k7++ 03:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a hoax.  It has now been confirmed to be titled Keas Bees by in a recent interview with Tomas Kalnoky. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.34.165.194 (talk) 21:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is definitely a hoax, a blog post can easily be forged. 74.101.118.195 01:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read the cited blog, it's pretty obvious that it's a satirical piece. Donbert 04:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is serious business.++aviper2k7++ 04:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keas Bees 

message: I requested that this page be semi-protected to try to stop the anon IPs from constantly posting fake information about the so-called Keas Bees album.  - seinman 18:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is serious business.++aviper2k7++ 04:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request semi-protection 

message: from www.streetlightmanifesto.com :
hello.
in response to the recent wave of emails regarding the subject, we'd like to announce that our new record is most definitely not coming out today, january 23rd. we're not entirely sure how this date ever came about, and we're flattered that our next release is a matter of interest to at least those of you who have written in asking about today, but today's just not the day.
we're taking our time fine tuning and recording, we're not rushing anything and we're certainly not attempting to meet anyone's deadlines. music, at least for us, is not a product or part of a business plan and therefore we cannot give a due date for the record to you, to our label, even to our own friends and families. we are working on the record and it is coming along. any dates mentioned in the future by anyone other than this here website can be written off as speculation and here-say, regardless of the source. thanks for reading and sorry for the confusion.
ps. as we approach the end of mixing, we will be posting snippets of songs here, as well as providing further information about the album and the true identity of bunny's "kidnappers".
why did ian moody take out my part about the other part of the song? what in the world was wrong with it? maybe a few grammatical errors but nothing to take out the whole thing!Digital.unicorn 02:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  new album date 

message: I changed the end around a bit, to try and make it a little more NPOV per above. If it works, good. If not, change it. Amphytrite 07:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Critical Reception...again

message: Hey guys, just wondering if y'all could try to remember to sign your posts with four tildes. Thanks a bunch, & thanks to everyone who has been doing so! Amphy 04:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please sign your posts!

message: The new album is titled Somewhere in The Between (note the capital t on The.) someone wanna bother fixing that again? seeing as ive already fixed it twice. 70.51.116.167 23:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I already posted this on the talk page for the album, but i'll say it again here.  We don't know for sure how it should be capitalized.  The only source we have is a blog post.  Sure, it's a post by the band.  But that does not indicate that they cared enough to make it perfect.  An informal post probably shouldn't be the basis for something like this, so why don't we wait until the album comes out, see what it says on the packaging, see what it's referred to on the multiple sites that will sell and review it, and THEN edit the page to show the proper capitalization.  seinman 00:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Now that the samples have been released, and have the same spelling (all words start with a capital letter), it does further back up the fact that the band wants it spelled that way.  However, I don't feel like an ID3 tag and a blog post make reliable sources, and still think it's better to wait before an edit war begins. seinman 03:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Album title capitalization

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Streetlight Manifesto logo.png

message: I just did some cleanup on on the Somewhere in the Between section, but there are still a couple problems that should probably be fixed when possible. The main culprit is
"On September 7, SitB was officially announced to be released on November 13, 2007."  Announced by whom? Whether Streetlight or the record company announced it, we'll probably need a source for that. & the grammar needs some tweaking, but I'll def fiddle around with it. The section also mentions that the album was named Somewhere in the Between twice, through updates to Streetlight's site on August 13th and 22nd. I'm not sure which is the official announcement, so I left both in for now, but I don't think it needs to be mentioned twice. Amphy (talk) 05:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Passive voice in the ''Somewhere in the Between'' section

message: IllaZilla: Streetlight has had a series of major lineup changes, listing the times of each musician's tenure in the band is useful to the reader.  There's no good reason for this edit to have been reverted.  I've seen this sort of listing on other articles for other bands, and it's especially important for a band with so constantly changing of a lineup.
--Vazor20X6 (talk) 18:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it's useful, but I thought the format was very cluttered & messy & would further confuse readers. It confused me. Listing the releases in abbreviations (ie. SitB for Somewhere in the Between) is also not consistent with the Manual of Style. That's why I reverted it. If you want to make it clearer I'd suggest adopting a format like this one, which lists the current and former members with dates and then has a separate table for lineups and releases. --IllaZilla (talk) 19:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright then, I will do just that. --Vazor20X6 (talk) 22:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually, I thought of something better.  I think this works a lot better than spending so much space on Streetlight's ridiculous series of lineup changes.  --Vazor20X6 (talk) 01:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a really good idea if there have been a lot of members over the years to a point where a list/table would clutter the article. Similar to Slayer band members or Black Flag band members which are offshoots of their main articles due to length. Good work. --IllaZilla (talk) 02:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: Band Members and Times of Membership

message: Given the close proximity of both Streetlight Manifesto's and The Gaslight Anthem's hometown and the clear similarity in name, does anyone know of any formal or informal relationship between the bands? Slingstone (talk) 03:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Gaslight Anthem 

message: Since Kalnoky's Talk Page is dead, I figured I'd post this here.
I think, considering that Kalnoky has so many bands, and he's going to have 2 more now that 99 Covers is a reality, we should create a single template to list all of his albums.
I was thinking something like this -
This template would be put on all the articles listed in the template, as well as Supernothing and Everything Went Numb, in addition to the standard Streetlight Manifesto - we could probably alter it a little (well, a lot) and use it to entirely replace the Streetlight template, but I'm not entirely sure that's desirable.
Right now it's chronological - though, again, 99 Covers is going to screw that up. Still, I think this would be a useful template. Any opinions? --Therum (talk) 13:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Template 

message: On the main page it says they no longer sing it.  Was at the show at Ollie's Point on 4/26/09 and they sang it... Also, there is no source for the claim they do NOT sing it.  Seems safest not to make a claim either way, without a reference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.154.50 (talk) 06:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim that SM doesn't sing "If you hate me so much stop singing my song" 

message: This is a huge article for a rather minor band.  Much of the info is simply fan info that doesn't below here. This is just IMHO after reading pages for several punk/ska bands.  --Gerbera (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misc detail 

message: Someone clearly misread the recent update to Streetlight's website. This page now says that 99 songs of revolution will consist of 11 albums by 11 artists.. Thats completely incorrect. The website says that Volume 1 consists of 11 SONGS from 11 different artists. As far as I or anyone else knows.. the 99 SOR project will still be completed through 8 albums.. and 4 bands.
I don't know a ton about wikipedia and I don't know how to revert from the recent changes.. whoever did the edit deleted a lot of information that WAS on the page..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.18.53.122 (talk) 03:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  99 Songs of Revolution 

message: Does "Somewhere in the Between" really need its own section?  If so, I think it needs more information, and if not, it could be somehow merged into one of the other sections.  Also, is there any information on a replacement for Soprano?  They have had concerts since announcing that he was leaving. I also think a more recent band photo would be preferable, and there is a new tour to add. Jgheu3453 (talk) 02:00, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SitB and Miscellaneous Changes 

message: Would it perhaps be an idea to add a section on the band's dissatisfaction with their label? the band basically told people on their news section in march to buy any streetlight merch or albums from the store on their site or at shows. I'd say it's somewhat noteworthy:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.86.234 (talk) 03:11, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Label dispute 

message: I went ahead and removed the list of tours dates, locations, and supporting acts because this level of detail is encyclopedic and does not belong here. Babrook 11:56, 24 January 2011
In an encyclopedia?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.6.180.139 (talk) 07:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Tours Dates

message: The article lists Streetlight Manifesto as a punk band.  That is not necessarily a fact.  There's a huge debate over what genre Streetlight is (skapunk, punk, post-ska, jazzpunk, and post-jazz have all been proposed at various times).  Can we decide on the genre in this talk section, or should we try and apply a neutral genre title to the band like "a fusion of ska, punk, jazz, etc"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.21.31 (talk) 04:14, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To avoid an edit war, can whoever keeps changing this article to say that Streetlight Manifesto is a punk band (as opposed to a ska-punk band) please explain their rationale for not calling them a ska-punk band? --129.49.21.105 (talk) 18:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever keeps changing it? Our usernames (or IPs) are always listed in the revision history, so that part should be fairly easy to figure out. I personally have no opinion about what genre(s) should be listed, but know that genres shouldn't freely be changed based on someone else's opinion... unless that someone provides reliable sources or seeks consensus first. Even then however, I would expect listed genres to actually link to genres rather than disambiguation pages. You've done the right thing by bringing your concerns to the talk page, but please be patient and wait for other regular contributors to chime in with further feedback. Good luck.  -- WikHead (talk) 16:58, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to get consensus back in April but no one responded to me.  So I figured I'd change it to ska-punk, as it appeared that no one cared.  As someone has been changing it back multiple times, it would appear that I was wrong about no one caring.  But this person has never responded to me in the talk section, so I'm not sure what to do (hence my request to talk on September 6).  As for sources that ska-punk is their genre and not just punk, http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/streetlight-manifesto-flips-off-victory-1007913882.story, http://www.victoryrecords.com/streetlightmanifesto, http://www.punknews.org/bands/streetlightmanifesto, and http://www.purevolume.com/new/streetlightmanifesto all refer to Streetlight Manifesto as ska-punk.  I did link to the genre skapunk.  When you click the link, it directs you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska_punk, which is in fact the Wikipedia page for the genre and not a disambiguation page.  Lastly, I figured that since this mysterious other editor has never responded to my request in April nor my request in September to talk about this genre, I wouldn't ever get a consensus with them.--129.49.21.105 (talk) 20:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone?  Anyone?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.21.105 (talk) 03:36, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Watch this interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkJuhTlo9Ok at 0:55 where Tomas says he does not consider his band a "ska band". Therefore, I would not include any reference to ska in the intro. It should be "punk with various influences". - Africansk8er (talk) 01:52, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: just my two cents but arnt third-wave ska bands made up of punk drummers, crazy loud blaty (good dont get me wrong) horns, honking saxs, punk guitars, and fast walking electric bass playing. That is streetlights sound. They are ska. Because ska came from jazz. And jazz started all the dancing music. So they are ska.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.12.224 (talk) 04:24, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Punk vs Skapunk

message: Streetlight manifesto is not brass rock Konagold94 (talk) 00:15, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Streetlight manifesto’s genre