Talk:Djemal Pasha

message: Why "Djemal"? Cemal is Turkish name and he is Turkish. Ayasi 11:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: # Support - modern day writing will refer to it by this orthography in English - thus contemporary name should be used. Just like in Constantinople/Istanbul, today's writings will always use the contemporary name and orthography, even when referring to the period. Baristarim 16:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: :Add any additional comments:
* The correct rendering of the name of this Turkish person, in current Turkish orthography is "Ahmet Cemal". Word final consonants are devoiced in Turkish as a rule (Murat instead of Murad, ebat instead of ebad, dert instead of derd etc.). Please refer to the official spelling guide or dictionaries of the Turkish language. Atilim Gunes Baydin 14:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 13:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: "Due to the success of the Bolshevik Revolution, Djemal travelled to Tbilisi"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slntssssn (talk • contribs) 22:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the hell is this sentence supposed to mean? 

message: Its a fork, merge and redirect it. VartanM (talk) 07:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: One mistake I frequently encounter in Wikipedia is the proper noun translations.  Almost all words including the titles can be translated. But proper nouns represent unique entity and are not translatable, provided of course, they use the same alphabet. Take an example of Joseph. This name has many variants in different languages: Josef, Joe, Yusuf etc. But body (almost nobody) tries to translate Joseph when it is used as a proper noun. Joseph Haydn (composer) or Joe Biden are never translated. (Wouldn’t it be funny to have an article named Joe Haydn or Yusuf Haydn ?) But unfortunatelly the topic of this very article is Ahmed Djemal instead of Ahmet Cemal. The contributer’s rationale is that the encyclopaedia is in English. Lets think twice. I think the article should be moved to Ahmet Cemal. Nedim Ardoğa (talk)
:A few notes on what is written above:
:* Firstly, a request to rename this page has already been made. The discussion can be found here.
:* Secondly, Ahmed Djemal is the name by which he is best known in English. This is the English version of Wikipedia and when foreign people are best known by a certain name in English, those are the names that are used (i.e. Joseph Stalin instead of Iosif Stalin, Ferdinand Magellan instead of Fernão de Magalhães, John Hunyadi instead of Hunyadi János, ect.).
:* Thirdly, Ahmet Cemal was not the "correct spelling in his langange". Djemal spoke Ottoman Turkish, which is different from the Turkish spoken today. Turkish orthography was not reformed until after his death and his name was never spelled Ahmet Cemal during his life. 
:--John of Lancaster (talk) 06:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahmet Cemal  

message: After the first sentence [A military court in Turkey accused Djemal of persecuting Arab subjects of the Empire, and sentenced him to death in absentia.] I've added this: But these courts were considered travesty of justice by the Allied Powers [6] = Revisiting the Armenian Genocide by Guenter Lewy. Chonanh (talk) 03:04, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  About his sentence by the military trial 

message: the article states that he was killed by armenians "in retribution for his role in the Armenian Genocide" but doesn't say what his contribution/role was - according to sources it was a leading one.--Severino (talk) 12:18, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In the book "Lawrence in Arabia" the autor, Scott Anderson, mentions his role in executing people suspected of supporting the Arab Revolt but he also exonerates Djemal of colaboration or complicity with the Armenian Genocide. The article lists only 1 source that accuses him of having a role in this. Isn't that a bit spare?Scafloc (talk) 19:02, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  responsibility for genocide