Talk:The Flying Dutchman

message: The name "Vanderdecken" or "von der Decken" actually means from the dyke in German, which would fit to the Netherlands, which are said to be the flying dutchman's origin. However, does someone have a source about the origin of his name?
von de decken is not a german name en surtanly does NOT mean from the dyke!
Vanderdecken is officially spelled van der Decken and is most likely spelled van der Decke, wich translate from old Dutch to on Deck!
    
the legend
The most famous legend of the sea is that of the Flying Dutchman.  Superstition has it that whoever meets this ship is doomed to perish with all hands on deck.. As protection against such a fate, sailors would nail horse shoes to the mast. Some think that this 17th century legend was made up by the English to put their Dutch rival in a bad light. 
Willem van der Decken, captain of the “Dutchman”, who was employed by the Dutch East India Co [ VOC] did not manage to round the Cape of Good Hope fast enough.
This is the tip of Africa where two oceans meet. Countering currents and high winds make it very difficult for sailing ships to round the Cape. Van der Decken then made a pact with the Devil that he would make it around the Cape, even if he had to sail upwind. God, so the story goes, punished the captain and sentenced him to roam the world’s seas as ghost skipper in perpetuity.  Months turned into years, storms keep raging and his ghost ship is being pushed from sea to sea to this day. No waves can destroy it while other ships have perished nearby.  Such are the tales some of the survivors told about the ghost ship the “Flying Dutchman”. 
shame that noboldy mentions the Wagner Opera ! Is this the cultural page??
:well, now it does. :)
Wait...in the version I heard, the Flying Dutchman is an omen of death, and those who see it will die swiftly and terribly.
Why is it called "flying"?!?
:Flying=fast moving.170.215.105.84 01:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When my father said to my mother that the ship was alleged to be unsinkable, her reply to that was: "Well that is flying in the face of God." Titanic survivor.  "Flying in the face of" is what the Dutch captain is said to have done to the powers that be. --Chr.K. 15:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It is total nonsensical garbage put in to cause trouble for others, is what it is. --Chr.K. 15:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

message: Not once has the Flying Dutchman been called the Frying Dutchman in Spongebob. His name has always been the traditional one. I've watched that show enough times to know. Please be aware of this! ViceroyInterus 14:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Was vandalism. Was reverted.--Chaser T 09:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Frying" Dutchman 

message: I seem to recall, that bringing a woman aboard a ship is terrible luck for the crew and the voyage. So, the only woman was the ship itself. Sailors always refer to their ships as "her", or "she". So then why would the ship be called the "Flying Dutchman" if the ship's gender should be female? Maybe it just sounds better than "Flying Dutchwoman".
It's not uncommon for ships to have obviously masculine names--witness the lamented Edmund Fitzgerald. Nightsky 19:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the ship, or captain? 

message: Does anyone else think this section has gotten out of hand?  I don't think we need to be listing everything related to TFD.  How about we prune the list down to just the notable instances of cultural allusion?  --Perimosocordiae 22:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, man, you ain't whistling Dixie.  I agree that it's gotten totally out of hand, and should either be deleted outright or moved to a subpage.  I think *I* started the section (for whatever that's worth), and I never intended for it to become a listing of every last ski lift, etc., named after TFD.Nightsky 19:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Better? Worse? At least it doesn't make my head hurt to look at it anymore.  --Perimosocordiae 17:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better. :) I think this may be the best we can do without seriously evaluating 'worth'. 'The Flying Dutchman is a very popular tale, so many things will reference it. Empty Book 17:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural Allusions

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message: Why are there two talk pages? One here, Talk:The Flying Dutchman (whereas  is a REDIRECT to Flying Dutchman), and one at Talk:Flying Dutchman? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Two talk pages