Talk:List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by length of tenure

message: Using the order by length puts 20 at 2 - should 0 be put in front of the number of years?
This ordering doesn't work at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.14.48 (talk) 19:26, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening comment 

message: The list is manual in nature. This means that every time the incumbent (Cameron in this case) exceeds some former PM in tenure, the list becomes inaccurate. Someone (I don't know how to) should work on making this list automated so that the list is accurate without human intervention. Ratibgreat (talk) 13:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manual nature of the ranking 

message: The length of tenure is purely numeric, so two hundred-odd days gets sorted as longer than 2 years. Could someone fix that? --Newbiepedian2 (talk) 19:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of tenure sort doesn't work 

message: Given that the PM serves at the pleasure of the monarch have Cameron and May really had two ministries? Heath is surely similar to the May case in that he tried and failed to secure a majority: he is down as 1 ministry. 82.9.227.69 (talk) 11:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many ministries? 

message: Going by the dates of tenure in their respective Wikipedia entries it looks like the tenure of Russell is incorrect which means that Attlee, Cameron and Russell are in the wrong positions.
By my calculations Cameron was in office 6 years 65 days, Attlee 6 years 93 and Russell 6 years and 112 days. Russell is down in the article as being 6 years 11 days.
Calculations for Cameron and Attlee don't match exactly due to leap years, but that's a whole other can of worms as the UK didn't adopt the Gregorian calendar until 1752. Chris Hall (talk) 13:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Having had no comments on this and also having double checked the figures I am confident that I am correct in this and will make the necessary changes to the article. Chris Hall (talk) 08:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect tenure for John Russell, 1st Earl Russell? 

message: Changing the ranks to reflect the ascending order of time in office I0null (talk) 13:16, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2022 

message: Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair each had 3 terms and David Cameron had 2 terms but the table wrongly says they each had 1. Please correct this. 2A00:23C6:7F89:9001:9155:FD70:8D5A:FE09 (talk) 13:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's separate terms of office not elections won. 51.149.8.88 (talk) 14:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2022 (2) 

message: Maybe this is splitting hairs but the title of this article is “List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by length of tenure” and 12 of the people on this list were never prime minister of the United Kingdom.  Indeed, the number one spot is held by Robert Walpole, who died decades before the United Kingdom came into existence.  I realize the United Kingdom is the successor state to the Kingdom of Great Britain, but they are not the same country.--Lairor (talk) 15:36, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's worth discussing, also note that Walpole specifically rejected the title of 'Prime Minister' and there's lots of debate about how long he served; so even if he is included, having his tenure in days seems more precise than we can actually prove. JeffUK (talk) 15:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

text: I added some explanation to the lead as to why we're including the first two. That should head off any confusion for now. Whether or not Walpole should be included is a point worth raising, for sure. -- Hux (talk) 18:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Kingdom? 

message: Change 'Tony Blair' to 'Sir Tony Blair' since he was knighted earlier in 2022. Danjievans (talk) 15:39, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: this is only for consistency within the document (i.e, Churchill is 'Sir Winston Churchill'). I am not seeking to weigh in on whether he deserve(d/s) one. Danjievans (talk) 15:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Already done by User:Hawthorneabendsen Terasail[✉️] 17:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2022 (3) 

message: Henry Pelham is listed as serving '10 years, 191 days'.  However, the UK switch to the Gregorian calendar occurred in 1753, during his tenure, so the rote calculation of days from 27 August 1743 to 6 March 1754 (as listed in his article's infobox) is too large by 11 days.  Therefore, please change the table entry to '10 years, 180 days'.
Any duration calculator can confirm this, say be first entering the same dates for the years 1943 to 1954.  On the other hand, it is perhaps possible that his article is written entirely in "old-style" or in "new-style" dates, and no change is needed here.  Clarification would be welcome. 96.5.122.4 (talk) 17:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2022 (4) 

message: Truss Tenure - Surely we don’t yet know what her tenure is until a successor is elected? She remains PM until a successor is chosen. Truss has indicated it will be “less than a week” so shouldn’t we say “44 to 51 days” for now?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeaujolaisFortune (talk • contribs) 13:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: She indicated there will be 'an election' in less than a week,  this surely can't include balloting the membership if that is necessary; so may only be the start of the election process not the end.   Postal strikes won't help! JeffUK (talk) 15:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It does include balloting the membership if more than one candidate remains but it will be online (so unaffected by postal strikes). The earliest the new PM can be in is Monday, the latest Friday 28th. BeaujolaisFortune (talk) 17:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

text: We don't know. All we can say is that she announced her resignation after 44 days and has announced that she intends to be replaced 'within a week'. '44 to 51' if you prefer. Tomorrow she will have been 45 days in office, and 46 the day after. The reference we are currently using is so poor that it even calls her the 'former PM'. We should strive for more accuracy. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:40, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Truss tenure

message: Why isn't Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington mentioned in this list? --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 20:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: He's listed, but as 'The Duke of Wellington'. That seems to be the convention on this page for whatever reason. -- zzuuzz (talk) 06:34, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington 

message: Could you change the "notes" code?  Using a Greek alpha is unusual, and the code is more complicated than normal.  You could replace this code
 
with this:
 
And then, just replace the entire contents of the "Notes" section with   Thank you. 120.21.143.198 (talk) 23:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the note and replaced it with plain text above the table. It's more obvious there, especially as the note's "tooltip" is  obscured by the table's sorting function's own tooltip. Bazza (talk) 19:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2022 

message: This is stupid. --Alexysun (talk) 03:46, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as she's listed here and remains in post, it's going to keep changing. At least it's done automatically. One option is to remove her from this list, which may be correct but I don't see flying. Another is to qualify the number somehow to indicate it's not final. Your thoughts on how we can do that? -- zzuuzz (talk) 06:19, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know it was automatic. She will be out of office tomorrow and replaced by Rishi Sunak, so it's fine. Alexysun (talk) 15:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Interestingly (in a way), there have only been two Prime Ministers from Norfolk constituencies, and they have been the longest-serving (Walpole) and the shortest-serving (Truss). Hogweard (talk) 17:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are we seriously going to be editing Liz Truss's tenure time every day up one until the day she is replaced? 

message: Before Truss's resignation, Truss's portrait was the fifth to stipulate she was the most recent Prime Minister, prior to her becoming the shortest-serving.
Since the most recent Prime Minister is now Sunak, I think Sunak's portrait should be added as a fifth Mythlike-Cell (talk) 11:08, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about tenure length. The portraits at the start are of people with notable lengths: specifically the two longest, and two shortest. As Sunak has only just started, it's not yet possible to make any judgment about his tenure. Bazza (talk) 11:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sunak photo 

message: As per the last edit Liz Truss should be at 49 days not 50. DxnM99 (talk) 14:36, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It is because the term lengths in List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom are counted by  with "duration=on", which is wrong. It should only be used when the start date and end date are both counted as full day, which is not the case.--203.218.141.176 (talk) 14:45, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

text: I've fixed it and added a reference. Bazza (talk) 15:03, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is so dumb the count is the number of days not hour to hour, she served on for 50 different days, just because 2 of them were half days the count should be based on the days themselves, with a partial day counting as a full day, she served as PM on September 6 and October 25 and on the 48 days in-between total 50 days. Here's a reference if you need one to 50 days. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/25/liz-truss-final-speech-lays-down-gauntlet-rishi-sunak-uk-prime-minister 69.116.75.22 (talk) 21:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: See List of presidents of the United States by time in office, "duration=on" was not used for a term length. I think you don't know how to count.--203.218.141.176 (talk) 23:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2022 

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message: I'm finding it difficult to understand why the Churchill photo is being used - he's not the second-longest serving modern PM (that's Tony Blair) and he's not, e.g., the longest-serving PM over discontinuous terms. There's nothing really illustrative about the length of his tenure. Quickenedeasy (talk) 16:55, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Quickenedeasy: I have  to fix this because they also attempted to remove the Gladstone picture at the same time. I agree that the Churchill photo should be removed for not being notable. The other four are notable for length or, in the case of Gladstone, number of separate terms in office. Bazza (talk) 09:51, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Churchill photo