Talk:Disklavier

message: The article has been returned to an unencylopedic, piece of PR for Yamaha, which again is full of cut/paste copy vio and close paraphrasing (as per the above comments). To the editor who restored this version, this article will be reduced to a stub unlesss this is fixed in the next 48 hours. Voceditenore (talk) 22:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: May 2009 - blatant advertising

message: I stumbled upon this aricle kind of accidentally. I love classical piano but I don't play (only plunk) and had never heard of a Disklavier until I saw this article.  I did see one years ago, a reasonably long grand, as I vaguely recall, playing unattended in an upscale retail store to provide "ambience".  In the context there I thought it was in poor taste, actually, and I assumed it was just another "player piano", albeit in a grand case.  ( Sorry, guys. )  After learning about it from the web, though, I've become convinced that assumption was very incorrect.  But despite my new-found appreciation for the instrument as a teaching tool, I'm in complete agreement with the previous comments lamenting POV.  So I thought I'd try to do something about that, even though pianos aren't within my area of expertise at all.  Almost all my effort to do so went into trying to move the "Education" section in the direction of NPOV.  I did include one source I found that I think passes WP:Reliable for the section, viz. USC, but I didn't really spend time looking for others. I suppose there are others?
What caught my attention in the first place was the ability to connect two of the Mark IV's.  Yes, I understand that the "Remote Lesson" system could plausibly be described as vaporware by an unsympathetic mind since it has only been demonstrated at trade and music shows and "captive" events, and only released (as I infer) to interested academics and piano professionals who have access to Internet2 through the institutions they're affiliated with.  But even if standard internet never gets upgraded to the point that it consistently satisfies the demand for very low network latency that "real time" applications inherently present ( all those VoIP users sure are going to be mad ;) I'd still say "Remote Lesson" is significant-enough to include in the article, both as an advance in itself and just for the value it has about Yamaha's strategy for the product line.  Besides, it's the Disklavier itself that has to pass WP:Notability, not each of its capabilities or its planned features individually, as I understand it.
I'm not entirely satisfied with my reworking of the small "Education" section: I know the refs probably aren't formatted to whatever the current standard is, for example, and I wasn't sure, either, about whether my description of the USC article for the references section as "Report on a new kind of at-a-distance piano lesson" was alright, in place of the actual USC title.  I hope so: I made the substitution because I didn't think the actual title of "It's Here: The Bicoastal Piano Lesson", fit the article's actual content, and it's too specific to the U.S.A. besides.  There are still problems with the section, of course, ones I just don't have any more time to try to fix.  But I hope other editors will see my attempt as an improvement, even though a very incomplete one.  ( It always surprises me how very long it takes to create or carefully edit even a paragraph or two on Wikipedia anything like well. )  Btw, a search engine tells me that Encyclopedia Britannica mentions the Disklavier, but I find I can't access the whole article.  Cheers, Ohiostandard (talk) 06:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in Education 

message: Significant edit: Given the comments that the article has probably done Yamaha a disservice by being presented in a blatantly promotional way, I have edited the entire page to give a more objective and encyclopedic tone and style. I'm happy to leave any detail and other development to others. I have had no previous involvement in the article and I have made no attempt to cite additional references. I am an ordinary satisfied user of a Mark IV Disklavier, with no ties to Yamaha. Like others, I found the promotional nature of the article rather offensive, but did not want to see their achievement undermined by poor writing or unwise advertisement copy.
Markcsg (talk) 17:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral Point of View - April 2010 

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