Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oregon/Law

message: (moved from User talk:Peteforsyth)
Two things came to mind:
*I don't know off the top of my head if the state can force the local governments to comply. The local governments are charted/incorporated by state law, but then again states are part of the US and the US government cannot tell the states to not copyright their materials. So maybe one battle at a time.
*Costs. The government likes to know how much this is going to cost. Now it propably won't cost money to implement, but they may lose revenue. So maybe some research into that aspects with the Dept. of Revenue to bolster the public good arguement.
Otherwise looks fine. Aboutmovies 20:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Two excellent points. I'm happy to remove the request re: local governments (maybe leaving in a parenthetical suggestion somewhere.) Not sure the best way to identify revenue streams that rely on copyright retention, but I'll mull it over and ask around. Thanks! -Pete 22:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Proposal 

message: Wow, looks great so far - kudos on the effort. I want to point out, though, that the link (http://bluebook.state.or.us/state/legis/legis15cbig.htm) in point (2) went nowhere, for me at least. Otherwise, good luck! -Tobogganoggin talk 23:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - not sure where I grabbed that from , but I just put the correct link ( http://bluebook.state.or.us/state/legis/legis15c.htm ) in there. Much appreciated! -Pete 23:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link? 

message: This from my talk page, a while back:
Something of interest for laws/copyrights I found at Wikipedia:Public domain: Under U.S. law, laws themselves and legal rulings also form a special class. All current or formerly binding laws, codes, and regulations produced by government at any level and the public record of any court case are in the public domain. [2] This applies even to the laws enacted in states and municipalities that ordinarily claim copyright over their work. The US Copyright Office has interpreted this as applying to all "edicts of government" both domestic and foreign.[5]
So I guess were a free to add laws to Wiki. Aboutmovies 01:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic! Thanks for sharing that with me. It seems like common sense, but I've always had trouble justifying it in discussions that pop up. This will be vey useful! -Pete 17:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are laws protected by copyright? Short answer: NO 

message: Found this web site. Its complaint is out of date, but the issue is interesting. http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/plagiarism/0398.html -Pete (talk) 19:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: Hello! I came across your userpage and the Oregon Legislative Initiative, to get Oregon state produced works released into the PD or licensed under CC. I would have to think this would also apply to institutionally-produced materials at each of the OUS institutions. Or does each institution (for example, the University of Oregon or UO Libraries) retain copyright on their products? This could potentially open up another stream of PD materials that might be available. akendall(talk) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm more than happy to help - particularly where copyright held by the state universities is concerned - sign me up! akendall(talk) 19:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm still in, and the offer for copyeditin' still stands. Keep me in the loop via e-mail or whatever. Katr67 19:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the welcome.  I feel strongly that the work paid for by the people belongs to the people.  Let me know how I can help on any aspect of the Oregon Open Content Initiative Duff 08:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legislative Initiative (old notes from Pete's talk page) 

message: Something of interest for laws/copyrights I found at Wikipedia:Public domain:
Under U.S. law, laws themselves and legal rulings also form a special class. All current or formerly binding laws, codes, and regulations produced by government at any level and the public record of any court case are in the public domain. [2] This applies even to the laws enacted in states and municipalities that ordinarily claim copyright over their work. The US Copyright Office has interpreted this as applying to all "edicts of government" both domestic and foreign.[5]
So I guess were a free to add laws to Wiki. Aboutmovies 01:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic! Thanks for sharing that with me. It seems like common sense, but I've always had trouble justifying it in discussions that pop up. This will be vey useful! -Pete 17:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright item (another older note) 

message: :Cross-posted at WikiProject Oregon's main talk page.
:Finally, they write me back after three attempts on my part.
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* date: 12/05/08 11:15 AM
To whom it may concern,
Please tell me the statute that grants the Secretary of State the copyright on the Oregon Blue Book, and the nature of this copyright. Specifically, are there restrictions on creating derivative works with any material published in the Blue Book, whether commercial or not?
Thank you for your time.
-- Patrick
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* date: Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Hi Patrick,
ORS 177.120 grants copyright authority to the Secretary of State for the Oregon Blue Book. This is general copyright authority.
- Julie Yamaka, Managing Editor
Oregon Blue Book
Oregon Secretary of State, Archives Division
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177.120 Oregon Blue Book. 
# The Secretary of State shall compile and issue biennially on or about February 15 of the same year as the regular sessions of the Legislative Assembly, an official directory of all state officers, state institutions, boards and commissions and district and county officers of the state, to be known as the Oregon Blue Book, and include therein the information regarding their functions that the secretary considers most valuable to the people of the state, together with such other data and information as usually is included in similar publications. The Secretary of State may cause the Oregon Blue Book to be copyrighted.
# In order to fully carry out the intent and purposes of this section, the Secretary of State may request of any state, district and county officials any information concerning their offices, institutions or departments that the secretary desires to include in the Oregon Blue Book. The officials shall furnish the information.
# The Secretary of State may distribute the Oregon Blue Book free of charge, under such regulations as the secretary may establish, to schools and to federal, state, county and city officials of the State of Oregon. The copies distributed under this subsection shall not be sold.
# The Secretary of State shall determine a reasonable price, and charge such price, for each copy of the Oregon Blue Book distributed to the general public. The secretary may also establish a discount price for dealers and shall set the price for resale by dealers in order to maintain a uniform price. The sum collected shall be paid over to the State Treasurer and credited to the Secretary of State Miscellaneous Receipts Account established under ORS 279A.290. [Amended by 1953 c.586 §1; 1967 s.s. c.10 §1; 1973 c.126 §1; 1981 c.467 §1; 1991 c.169 §1; 2003 c.794 §198]
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Äþelwulf <Small>Talk to me.</Small> 02:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New email from the Archives Division! 

message: Pete, are Ward Cunningham, Fmr. Sec. of State Keisling, and Labor Commissioner Avakian really participating in this cause? I looked in the article history, thinking they were added facetiously by a sneaky vandal. But apparently you were the culprit, which is why I'm asking you. Just wanna make totally sure. Äþelwulf <Small>Talk to me.</Small> 08:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick question on the list of participants 

message: 5. Plan a project that would have readily apparent value, but would not be possible if the law is not changed.
Is this necessary? Are there existing projects or educational resources that would have greatly increased value if the law is changed? If so, it would be easier to cite these than to plan an entirely new project. -kotra (talk) 20:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strategy point #5