Talk:Dieselisation

message: Since the lists in the "Timeline by nation" section are time lines, wouldn't it be better to show the information chronologically instead of alphabetically?  Also, would a table format be better than a list (perhaps separate columns for railroad name, first new diesel, last new steam, and dieselisation completed)? — Mmathu (talk) 07:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline by nation 

message: Quote:
In contrast to dieselisation, electrification is not perceived as generally desirable in many circumstances in the industry, because it only sometimes produces savings due to the high initial capital cost of the process. 
I dispute the accuracy of this.  Electric railways are very common in Europe.  The UK is unusual in relying so heavily on diesels. Biscuittin (talk) 13:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy dispute 

message: Weren't 4-8-4s in use until 1972 in New Zealand? SpaceCaptain (talk) 18:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NZ 

message: Maybe someone should find a more appropriate free image. I'm thinking a shot of a diesel and steam locomotive together - but in whatever country's real transition era, not with a preserved steamer. SpaceCaptain (talk) 02:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been looking for a few years, but not found one yet. Edward (talk) 06:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I've just applied some minor typing corrections in the Rail Transport section and it strikes me that it would benefit from a re-write (that is, all the text preceding the timelines, which I didn't look at). Some of the wording is rather awkward, or else in the wrong sections, and it is apparent that the text has evolved over a period through the contributions of multiple editors. (I know this is in the nature of a Wiki, but articles benefit from having a consistent 'voice'.)
I know I run the risk of attracting a , but I do not feel I have the appropriate knowledge to correct the text.  Perhaps someone more familiar with the topic can take this on, and provide some of the missing references too?
EdJogg (talk) 12:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rail Transport section needs attention 

message: ===Statement sounds global but may be specific to Europe?===
The article currently says "a process which began in the 1930s and is now substantially complete in the US, UK and Latin America. Elsewhere, electric traction has mostly taken the place of steam locomotives in the main lines and diesel-electric and diesel-hydraulic locomotives are used in less frequently used side lines." I added the "dubious - discuss" tag because I find it unlikely that this statement applies well to most areas of China, India, Africa, Russia, Brazil, or various other places, outside of certain metropolitan regions. I would guess that the average train on the high iron chugging across provinces in BRIC countries is more likely diesel-electric than electric. Can anyone speak to that hypothesis? I don't know for sure, but I think the statement probably only applies to Europe and certain spots elsewhere. Discuss? — ¾-10 16:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious

message: The article currently says "a process which began in the 1930s and is now substantially complete in the US, UK and Latin America. Elsewhere, electric traction has mostly taken the place of steam locomotives in the main lines and diesel-electric and diesel-hydraulic locomotives are used in less frequently used side lines." I added the "dubious - discuss" tag because I find it unlikely that this statement applies well to most areas of China, India, Africa, Russia, Brazil, or various other places, outside of certain metropolitan regions. I would guess that the average train on the high iron chugging across provinces in BRIC countries is more likely diesel-electric than electric. Can anyone speak to that hypothesis? I don't know for sure, but I think the statement probably only applies to Europe and certain spots elsewhere. Discuss? — ¾-10 16:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Statement sounds global but may be specific to Europe?

message: This was solved after the adoption of an American marine diesel from the Liberty class freight ship, an unusual 10 cylinder 2000 hp design with opposed pistons. After a minor redesign in the USSR, the engine was essentially acceptable for rail use, and was employed in (circa 1950) the TE3 (ТЭ3  - "teplovoz electricheski 3" - diesel engine with electric transmission version 3) locomotive - 4000 hp in 2 sections. The power of the TE3 was equivalent to that of the largest steam engines at the time and given all of the other numerous advantages of the diesel engine, it was decided to abandon steam locomotives completely. All types of steam locomotives in the USSR stopped production in 1956  As far as I am aware, Liberty ships all used triple-expansion steam engines.PapaBear1965 (talk) 04:46, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Soviet Union

message: Please be sure that all additions to the Dieselisation article are verifiable.  Any new items added to the article should have inline citations for each claim made.  
As a courtesy to editors who may have added unsourced claims previously, before Wikipedia citation policy is what it is today, many of the existing unsourced claims have been tagged  to allow some time for sources to be added.  Cheers.  N2e (talk) 17:26, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations and sources are needed 

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message: I've removed this statement, since it's emotive, controversial, and completely unsourced:
 Part of the plan was to save money another secret part was to limit the power of coal miners by changing locomotive power from coal and steam to oil and diesel.
Any reference to secret plans needs good support from references, and should be written in an encyclopedic style.  (Not to mention with correct grammar and punctuation.) johantheghost (talk) 07:21, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "Secret Plan" Reference 

message: Lots of sentences telling you about the last steam locomotives to be built in countries, and the last steam services to be withdrawn. But this is an article about dieselisation, not the end of steam.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.78.225.197 (talk) 05:56, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much is about steam