Talk:Ahmad Shah Durrani/Archive 1

message: I fixed some grammatical errors, but still there are many things unclear to me, when I read it:
# The lead section is not comprehensively summarizing the whole article. In this case, a summary of Ahmed Shah Abdali life. Please read WP:LS guideline.
# The quote by Elphinstone should have inline citation (I've put a tag there) and it is unclear when I read the last part of the sentence. What is the meaning and the relation of that last part, starting from "... wrote a Collection of Odes in Pushto ..." with the remaining of the quote sentence?
# "He was, in his youth, imprisoned in a fortress, with his elder brother Zulfikar Khan, by Husain Khan, governor of Kandahar for the Ghalzis." Why?
# Section Early Years is really unclear to me. I think you need to split long sentences to make them more clear.
# Section Commander of the Abdali Cavalry. Why is there only 1 sentence? 
# For the remaining text, please avoid using he or she when it is unclear to whom are you pointing at. 
# I changed Notes into References per WP:MOS. Please also follow WP:CITE guideline to put references.
This is part of GA review, as this article is put in the GA candidate list. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 10:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article Reviews 

message: Caroe theorizes that these people--half Persian and Half Paktuan (pashtun) of Kandahar-- were the ancestors of the abdali tribe, later called the Durranis, who for centuries have been the dominent tribe of western Afghanistan.   page 12, paragraph 1, sentence 11. "A MILITARY HISTORY FROM ALEXANDER THE GREAT TO THE FALL OF THE TALIBAN", BY STEPHEN TANNER.
Who said he was born in multan panjab. is that why he sacked, looted, murdered his poeple IN PUNJAB over 6 times, for the love of afghanistan. hahaha!!! COMMON SENSE. PLUS he spoke persian and pashto. he wrote a peotry about the mountain tops of afghan land.
who ever claims that he was born in multa punjab is eighther uneducated.  it should be immidiately changed or wikipedia is a false encyclopedia.
Everything else is correct.68.229.55.91 10:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No where does it say he was Punjabi. He was born in Multan according to scholarly authoritative sources, such as this http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9004137/Ahmad-Shah-Durrani. --Behnam 18:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That is source says he might have been born in Herat and also it is not a scholarly source. It is well established that he was born in or around Multan. --Behnam 01:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: "punjabi" refers to people who speak "punjabi language", practice "punjabi culture", and holds "punjabi patriotism". although ahmad shah was born in a "region" that is (and or was) named "punjab", it doesn't mean he was "punjabi" by ethnicity, culture, nationality, or race. he was pashtun, who practiced his pashtun culture and spoke his pashto language. even until today, many afghans have been born in punjab since 1979-2007 but are not able to become nationals of pakistan (or nationals of punjab), meaning they are still considered afghans, and their ethnicity is the same as their parents' (pashtun, tajik, uzbek, hazara and so on). The reason to this is that pakistan does not issue nationality cards to afghans.Mirrori1 08:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Punjabi?

message: HERE IS THE POOF:
"و اما اسناد رسمی برای کلمه « خراسان » که نام قدیم افغانستان بوده خیلی زیاد است و از قرن پنج تا قرن نزده میلادی مدت یک و نیم هزار سال بنام خراسان مسما بوده تا دوره احمد شاه درانی هم که نامبرده با کلمه « امیر خراسان » مهر و امضا می کرد. نام افغانستان نه در کدام لویه جرگه و نه رفراندوم انتخاب شده و نه احمد شاه درانی که خود را شاه خراسان مینامید انتخاب شده، بلکه این نام در قرن نزده که یک بخش این سرزمین را انگلیس ها کنترول میکردند در اولین نامه اکلند انگلیسی وایسرای شبه قاره هند عنوان شاه شجاع بکار رفته است."
TRANSLATION FROM FARSI:
".....For over 1500 years the name of this country or land was Khorassan. Ahmad Shah Durrani, whom Afghans consider to be the founder of "Afghanistan", called himself "Amir-ul-Mulke Khorassan" and didn't have any idea what "Afghan" and "Afghanistan" were.... and with “Amir-e Khorassan” was how his papers were signed and his coins were minted. The name "Afghanistan" was not chosen through a "Loya Jirga" or a referendum, nor Ahmad Khan Abdaali, who considered himself to be a Khorassani, chose or came up with it, but this name was mentioned in a treaty between the Viceroy of the Indian Sub-Continent Lord Aukland and Persians in 19th Century and in correspondences with Shah Shujah".....
Dr Kamal Kabuli on historian Faryaar Kohzaad's writings.... www.Kabulnath.de
"Afghanistan" is a new word used in 18th century. It does show that Afghanistan was formed as a state in 18th century, but it does not mean that the people living in this territory were all part of other countries e.g. Pakistan, whose most people were part of India and the rest part of the old Afghanistan. The current Afghan territories were always known as "Khorasan". I am not going on the issue whether Khorasan was an independent state or part of Persia. Even during the government of Ahmad Shah Baba, it was called Khorasan. The name "Afghanistan" was first used in a treaty between Shah Shuja, British empire and Ranjeet Singh in 1838 in Lahore (source The reality of Political situation of Afghanistan, by Mohammad Akbar Shormach (an Afghan national)). Here are some other clues:
    * Abdullah Khan Popalzayee uses the word Khorasan when Ahmad Shah Abdali created the new city of Kandahar (of that time):
دمی که شاه شهامت مداراحمدشاه به استواری همت بنای شهر نهاد، جمال ملک خراسان شد این تازه بنا زحادثات زمانش خدا نگهدارد
:::so what you are saying is that all the western sources are completely wrong? all the pashtuns (40 million people), as well as many non-pashtuns are wrong? and only these (he said, she said) stuff someone said or wrote on a piece of paper are correct? this does not make any bit of sense to an average person. who are these people you use as your sources, what are their level of trust or their qualifications? show me coins that were made after 1747 stating "khorrasan" on it. the coins ahmad shah made during his empire stated "afghanistan" on them. another error i noticed is that the first treaty to contain the name "afghanistan" was not signed in 1838, the name "afghanistan" was written in a treaty in 1801. in those periods, there were no united nations, so nations were not recognized peacefully as how it is done through the UN. in the past, nations or empires used swords slashing throats, beheading people, whiping out cities, just so they are recongized as a state. when ahmad shah and his afghan army went and did some of these butcherings, the people of those areas surrendered, accepted and recognized his kingdom. i am surprised that after several hundred years we are here trying to piece together the history of afghanistan. if you go to every corner of afghanistan, regardless of ethnic or anything, all the people living in afghanistan love their title as "afghan" and they love their country as "afghanistan" even that it is poor. the reason to this is that many afghans are intermarried, they are used to not worry about ethnicity or language, but one thing i can be very clear on, that they will destroy any foreign intervention once they sense it. if there is any nation that does not recognize afghanistan, they may one day face people like taliban, who are afghans of course fighting for their country's independence. they are currently using the old style ways to make people recognize them by beheading them right away as soon as they suspect them of being a spy or a traitor. check latest news here taliban behead 7 afghan spies in 10 days. it is sick way for anyone to die this way but it is something happening. hope this will teach you what i am saying to you, about how people recognized a nation in the past.Mirrori1 04:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: check with the government of afghanistan per your claims, this is not a political site to try to solve such issues that you seem to be trying to bring to the attention of readers or editors here. by now i am convinced that there is some kind of political issue you have with afghanistan/afghans/pashtuns/western sources/western scholars/western historian/ because you completely reject their findings, and you are boldly going with those unpopular sources you found while surfing the net, this with a very narrow mind. i suggest you look at this in a much more broader view. the pashtuns ruled afghanistan since the early 1700s, why can't you just simply recognize their kingdom and accept that as a fact. khorassan has been a persian territory since it was created and the pashtuns are not from khorassan, it is irrelevant to even assume that pashtuns would call their kingdom as the kingdom of khorassan. it's either you need help with learning history as it happened or you have some kind of grudge with pashtuns, maybe because of all these recent wars, you lost someone as a result of pashtuns or something in that nature. however, do not blame an entire race of people for this. learn to live with others who may not be the same as you. i am here confused, thinking if you are a young student or an older person who is up to something by doing this edit war. i will tell you this is not the way to solve anything, it never works for anyone. me and you both may one day be dead and somebody else will be here removing our edits or changing it so that the article may reflect their point of view. editing wikipedia is an addiction, and try not to get addicted to it, you will not be able to convince anyone with what you say. your problem is you want to define every word or sentence to readers, which is unessary and nobody in this age of time care about these minor points. if you don't have anything good to write in articles, just don't write anything. it is a sin and a bad deed to vandalis articles because you are having fun doing it or because you are angry at something, try to do something else, chat with people online and express your emotions there. that is what i do when i have issues about something. this is a learning place, where you take information from a trustful site and add it here so that people can spend less time trying to do all that search themself. like i said earlier, this wiki is just a general guide to search, it's a starting point to the full search. not many people take this wiki as official info, especially not historic articles that are here. government source is the most trustful and reliable source. they follow rules and regulations before printing anything.Mirrori1 08:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abdali had nothing to do With Afghanistan. 

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message: i found spelling mistake at will be shown in Brackets it is Ahmah Shah and it should Ahmad shah I couldnt edit it this is why i am posting it in talk page
====Rise to power====
In October 1747, the chiefs of the Abdali tribes met near Kandahar for a Loya Jirga to choose a leader. For nine days serious discussions were held among the candidates in the Argah. Ahmad Shah kept silent by not campaigning for himself. At last Sabir Shah, a religious figure from the area, came out of his sanctuary and stood before those in the Jirga and said, "He found no one worthy for leadership except [(((((Ahmah Shah))))]. He is the most trustworthy and talented for the job. He had Sabir's blessing for the nomination because only his shoulders could carry this responsibility". The leaders and everyone agreed unanimously. Ahmad Shah was chosen to lead the Afghan tribes. Coins where struck after his coronation as King occurred near the tomb of Shaikh Surkh, adjacent to Nader Abad Fort.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pashtoonyaar (talk • contribs) 22:31, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling Mistake 

message: In October 1747, the chiefs of the Abdali tribes met near Kandahar for a Loya Jirga to choose a leader. For nine days serious discussions were held among the candidates in the Argah. Ahmad Shah kept silent by not campaigning for himself. At last Sabir Shah, a religious figure from the area, came out of his sanctuary and stood before those in the Jirga and said, "He found no one worthy for leadership except [(((((Ahmah Shah))))]. He is the most trustworthy and talented for the job. He had Sabir's blessing for the nomination because only his shoulders could carry this responsibility". The leaders and everyone agreed unanimously. Ahmad Shah was chosen to lead the Afghan tribes. Coins where struck after his coronation as King occurred near the tomb of Shaikh Surkh, adjacent to Nader Abad Fort.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pashtoonyaar (talk • contribs) 22:31, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Rise to power

message: I am asking for three specific changes, where text needs to be removed. The reason for each one will be given afterwards.
1. Please remove the following line :  "After the death of Nader Shah Afshar of Persia in June 1747, Abdali became the Emir of Khorasan." and replace with "After the death of Nader Shah Afshar of Persia in June 1747, Abdali became the King of Afghanistan." 
Reason: The wiki page itself states that he was the founder of the Kingdom Of Afghanistan, so then how could he have become the Emir of Khorasan, when Khorasan did not exist as a state but merely as province of the persian state at the time.  This is unsubstantiated and pushed by minorities in Afghanistan who do not like Ahmad Shah Durrani or the name of Afghanistan.
2. Please remove the following line:  "but also due to his handsome features as well as both being Khorasanians."
Reason:  There is no first hand account of any historian or anyone else writing this. Again, this is an agenda pushed by people from an ethnic group opposed to Ahmad Shah Durrani who want to push the false idea that he was somehow in a homosexual relationship.  This is the implication, but it is unsubstantiated.
3.  Please remove the following line: "Durrani is infamous for his genocide of the Sikhs, the destruction and desecration of their holy Golden Temple in Amritsar."
Reason:  Durrani's soldiers in the time of war might have killed people, but to say he is "infamous" for doing so is a stretch, which would need to be documented in several places to say he is infamous for this act.  Furthermore, this does not belong in his personal history right in the introduction to his most important notes.  This in fact only belongs on a separate page about his particular battles, about what he did or did not do in those.  Genghis Khan does not have the details of his battles in his opening statement on his wiki page.  Again, this is put there for the purpose of character assassination.
I hope you will see to it that these changes are made, as this man is revered by over 50 million people, this kind of ad hominem and character assassination does not belong on wikipedia.
94.203.52.164 (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request

message: It is not the picture of Ahmed Shah Durrani! It was neither commissioned by the French. It is an Indian Mughal Miniature of an unknown nobleman. Please verfiy and put up for deletion.  --86.144.114.244 (talk) 00:10, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The New Picture

message: "please change the birth place of ahmed shah durrani from hirat to multan" refrence to change is http://prr.hec.gov.pk/Chapters/188-3.pdf page # 63... it is authentic reference book, with reference from 19th and 20th century books... even with reference from book written in 1825 by ali muhammad khan sadozai, cousin's grandson of ahmed shah durrani
Mubashirdurrani (talk) 23:42, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Both Hirat and Multan are mentioned in the article - take a look at the first paragraph of the "Early Years" section. Per WP:UNDUE, I don't see anything to be changed in the article at this time. --ElHef (Meep?) 00:11, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2013 

message: please add my book FOR DETAIL ABOUT Ahmad Shah Abdali AZEEM MUJAHID PUBLISHD BY ILMO IRFAN PUBLISHER URDU BAZAR LAHORE  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.42.235.49 (talk) 18:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  my book 

message: While its true that mir naseer khan baloch rode with 1000 baloch horsemen to panipat, it was no way Afghan-baloch army. Most of the soldiers were afghans, followed by rohillas. Also there were few thousands awadh and qizalbash forces. 25000 baloch claim should be provided with any neutral sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jawwad khan marwat (talk • contribs) 05:30, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: I have removed 25000 balochs part

message: Sir I added some information to the article but not been able to arrange the text in right order .first i apologize and then i request you to arrange the text in ryt order including my information in the article Delhibaghelsingh (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
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message: Ahmad Shah Durrani was born in Multan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multan), not Herat. Sources 1, 11 already listed in the article confirm this.
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replies: text: Not done: The sources state that there is a dispute with his place of birth. Britannica itself has acknowledged the uncertainty. MediaKill13 (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: Why is it stated that Ahmad Shah Durrani became the Emir of Khorasan after the death of Nadir Shah in June 1747 ? Where was this Kingdom of Khorasan ? Did Khorasan include the areas of Kandahar where this new "Emir" was crowned ? Did Khorasan include Kabul, Ghazni, and all the territories to the East ?
Khorasan was a PROVINCE of Western Iran, not a name for the territories which form the current state of Afghanistan of which Ahmad Shah Abdali became the king. In fact what makes the statement even more meaningless it that later in the article it states that "he extend Afghan control from Khorasan in the West to Kashmir....". Please think about this for a minute and analyze it rationally, where was Khorasan west of ? Afghanistan ? Yes.  So if he rules territories which included all of present day Afghanistan, and is accepted as the founding father of Afghanistan, and those territories included parts of Iran, Afghanistan and present day Pakistan and India, why is the title "Emir of Khorasan" ? Did Khorasan extend all the way from Iran to India ? In fact it only made a small portion of his empire, the iranian portion. By that logic he could also be called "The Emir of Delhi", since he had conquered it, or "The Emir of Kashmir", and the emir of many other places that he had conquered, but that wouldn't make sense, just like calling him "Emir of Khorasan" doesn't make sense, as he was not from Khorasan nor was the majority of his subjects, nor was it the majority of the territory that he ruled.
I understand the motivations behind putting that in there, but this needs to be changed to "...in June 1747, Abdali became the King of Afghanistan..." or "Founder of the Durrani Ruling Dynasty of Afghanitan" or something along those lines, but not "Emir of Khorasan".  There was no Khorasan in Afghanistan, KHORASAN IS IN IRAN, and was a small portion of his total empire.
94.203.52.164 (talk) 19:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Emir of Khorasan ? 

message: Battle with Sikhs
After Panipat the main factor to reckon with was the growing power of the Sikhs who had constantly been assailing Ahmad Shah's lines of communication. It was against them that the Afghan invader's sixth expedition (1762) was specifically directed. News had reached him in Afghanistan of the defeat, after his withdrawal from the country, of his general, Nur ud-Din Bamezai, at the hands of the Sikhs who were fast spreading themselves out over the Punjab and had declared their leader, Jassa Singh Ahluvalia, king of Lahore (1761). To rid his Indian dominions of them once for all, he set out from Qandahar. Marching with alacrity, he overtook the Sikhs as they were withdrawing into the Malva after crossing the Sutlej. The moving caravan comprised a substantial portion of the total Sikh population and contained, besides active fighters, a large body of old men, women and children who were being escorted to the safety of the interior of the country. Surprised by Ahmad Shah, the Sikhs threw a cordon round those who needed protection, and prepared for the battle. Continuing their march in this form, they fought the invaders and their Indian allies desperately. Ahmad Shah succeeded, in the end, in breaking through the ring and glutted his spite by carrying out a fullscale butchery. Near the village of Kup, near Malerkotia, nearly 25,000 Sikhs were killed in a single day's battle (5 February 1762), known in Sikh history as Vadda Ghallughara, the Great Killing. But the Sikhs were by no means crushed.
Last Invasions and Death of Ahmad Shah
The fear of his Indian empire falling to the Sikhs continued to obsess the Shah's mind and he led out yet another punitive campaign against them towards the close of 1766. This was his eighth invasion into India. The Sikhs had recourse to their old game of hideandseek. Vacating Lahore which they had wrested from Afghan nominees, Kabuli Mall and his nephew Amir Singh, they faced squarely the Afghan general, Jahan Khan at Amritsar, forcing him to retreat, with 6,000 of the Durrani soldiers killed. Ahmad Shah offered the governorship of Lahore to Sikh sardar, Lahina Singh Bhangi, but the latter declined the proposal. Jassa Singh Ahluvalia, with an army of 30,000 Sikhs, roamed about the neighbourhood of the Afghan camp plundering it to his heart's content. Never before had Ahmad Shah felt so helpless. The outcome of the unequal, but bitter, contest now lay clearly in favour of the Sikhs. The Shah had realized that his Indian dominions were at the mercy of the Sikhs and he bowed to the inevitable. His own soldiers were getting restive and the summer heat of the Punjab was becoming unbearable. He, at last, decided to return home, but took a different route this time to avoid molestation by the Sikhs. As soon as Ahmad Shah retired, Sikhs reoccupied their territories.
The Shah led out his last expedition in the beginning of 1769. He crossed the Indus and the Jehlum and reached as far as the right bank of the Chenab and fixed his camp at Jukalian to the northwest of Gujrat. By this time the Sikhs had established themselves more firmly in the country. Moreover, dissensions broke out among the Shah's followers and he was compelled to return to Afghanistan.
On Ahmad Shah's death in 1772 of the cancerous wound said to have been caused on his nose by a flying piece of brick when the Harimandar Sahib was destroyed with gunpowder, his empire roughly extended from the Oxus to the Indus and from Tibet to Khurasan. It embraced Kashmir, Peshawar, Multan, Sindh, Baluchistan, Khurasan, Herat, Qandahar, Kabul and Balkh.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvinder Pakhowalia (talk • contribs) 10:49, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikhs fight back with Ahmed Shah Abdali & reason for his death 

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message: Wikipedia must get the correct year of birth researched and entered to rectify this serious anomaly!~~Lutfullah~~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lutfullah (talk • contribs) 14:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: How can both the year of birth and the year of birth be the same 1772?

message: User:Iamkniazi (proof of existence here, as there is no user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&username=Iamkniazi&limit=1 ) recently edited this page so that "Congregational Mosque" became "Congregational Musjid." This broke a formerly working link, so I think that it should be changed back to its previous version so the link is fixed again.
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replies: text: Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 00:03, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request to fix a broken link 

message: A documentary on youtube says he had 500bn in treasure. Is this true?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.70.215.193 (talk) 20:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  treasure 

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message: Please add a picture(s) to the page, especially one that shows Ahmad Shah Durrani's picture along with his name at the right side of the page where a summary of him is made. I have found a couple of pictures that seem to be fit for the job, from Wikimedia Commons that have all the appropriate references. Here is the link https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF%D8%B4%D8%A7%D9%87_%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%DB%8C
Thank you. Irabony622 (talk) 20:59, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done - FlightTime (open channel) 21:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2019 

message: HistoryofIran Why are you reverting my edits? there is a split decision among historians on where he was born and Herat is one of them. That's why i think Herat should be on his birthplace box as well. Akmal94 (talk) 01:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You're adding unsourced information. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  historyofiran 

message: In the table just below the lead, his religion is mentioned as "Sunni Islam", but it was actually, "Shia Islam". Please correct it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:282C:4C0E:0:0:0:1 (talk) 01:14, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Please offer a reliable source that supports your claim. 331dot (talk) 01:31, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Not done: per above. Melmann 09:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: Born	c. 1722
 Multan, India (present-day Pakistan)[4][5][6][7]
Correct this. There was no such country by the name of India in 1722. Multan was part of the Mughal Empire  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.78.135.155 (talk) 10:03, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Place of Birth

message: Please change "Emir" to "Shah" in Ahmad shah Durrani's titles as the Durrani dynasty never refered to themselves as Emir. 
164.106.75.254 (talk) 15:39, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: *if you look at List of heads of state of Afghanistan, all of them until 1926 are called emirs. L293D (☎ • ✎) 14:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: Marked as resolved. Please IP user, if you have sources that say otherwise you can bring them forward. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

text: I'm not qualified to judge this, but Britannica calls him "ruler" and then "shah" in passing. Doesn't include Emir. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. While I think the Ip user is likely correct, edit requests should be for corrections that are either unambiguous or close to it. I will open a new section below for comments so that the question can be settled by a wider variety of users..   Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emir should be changed to shah in his titles 

message: Is the correct title for the first leader of the Durrani empire "Emir"?  The Ip user above brings forth a very early source that uses "Shah" but not "Emir".  From the sources already in this article, it seems that Durrani himself used a variety of poetic titles but did not call himself "Emir".  Is it possible that "Emir" is a backwards projection by later rulers seeking to create continuity with the Durrani empire?  I am not myself knowledgeable enough on Aghani history to judge the question. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:30, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the title in the infobox for Ahmad Shah Durrani be "Emir" or something else? 

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