Talk:Dorothy Parker

message: Since this is an article about Parker, I think the extended bit about how she boosted Ellison's career with a favorable review should go in an article about Ellison.11 Arlington --(talk) 17:50, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: removed reference to Harlan Ellison review

message: I really don't think anyone should add bio info to this article unless you've read Marion Meade's bio. Because bad info keeps cropping up. -- k72ndst 04:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good heavens, can't you recognize an improved article when you see it?  I fixed quite a few errors as well as sorting out the chronology.  What "bad info" are you referring to?Zompist 16:42, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Her mother died when she was four, not five (July 20, 1898). Parker's mother and stepmother weren't Catholics. She didn't "move" to New York, she always lived in Manhattan; Dottie was born at her parents' summer house on the Jersey Shore, she wasn't a native to N.J. Parker also didn't sell her first poem to Vogue, it was to Vanity Fair. See my site for this: dorothyparker.com. And do not trust the Keats bio, it is riddled with errors. Meade's bio is the definitive one. Sorry to go on and on about Parker, see my user page to see why I do... -- k72ndst 18:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  These things were already in the article before I looked at it (indeed, most of them had been there for months), except for the Vogue bit which had already been corrected, and the moving bit, which was my mistake.  Wikipedia can be frustrating sometimes, but at least progress tends to be made.  IMDB has Dorothy Parker acting in a 1962 German spy movie, which seems unlikely, but their correction process is horrendous. Zompist 18:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding to Parker's Bio

message: If anyone is interested, I can kick in more about Mrs. Parker in Hollywood. She did spend about 30 years on and off there. And was nominated for two Oscars. It seems that the entry here pretty much glosses over her time in LA. That's a shame, since she did help found the Writers Guild. -- k72ndst 11:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dottie in Hollywood

message: Does anyone know a source for this?  I've read a lot about Mrs. Parker without running across this form of the name.  (She was called Dottie sometimes, however.)  RivGuySC 05:11, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have signed letters she wrote to her sister. She signed them all DOT. k72ndst 11:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dot Parker?

message: I just removed two out-of-place analyses of "Big Blonde", one of them as follows:
:Dorothy Parker's short story, "Big Blonde" was a classic of that time and showed many aspects of the society. The story especially shows how women of the time were trying to find their place and desperately searching for the "perfect" life.
A less broad analysis might be in order: that the story examined only one niche in which aging women of the time found themselves, and if anything the Big Blonde and her female cohorts have given up on a search for the perfect life, the Big Blonde herself happily embracing suicide as an alternative to her grating lifestyle. —68.62.17.196 04:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it should be noted that the story "Big Blonde" is in fact autobiographical. Just adding my 2 cents. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Big Blonde" analyses

message: For reference— I checked my copy of the OED (2nd ed.); neither of these words is attributed to Parker or mentions her, unfortunately.  'One-night stand' dates back to 1896 with a theatrical reference; the first cite for 'wisecrack' is from a 1915 San Francisco periodical. Zompist 08:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong work.  Love Wikipedians who actually do their research!  Onlyemarie 23:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But maybe Parker was the first to use 'one-night stand' in the non-theatrical context. Valetude (talk) 00:21, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Wisecrack', 'one-night stand'

message: I added the external link to the Dorothy Parker Society (dorothyparker.com) and it keeps being deleted. An anonymous user keeps telling me that there cannot be a link since it isn't official. However, I would like your opinion. I run the site and wrote the book A Journey into Dorothy Parker's New York. This is a literary society. We pay royalties to the estate (the NAACP). The site has numerous Parker photos, stories, audio files, and news. What is your two cents? I would like to have this link returned. There are numerous great Wikipedians that watch the Dorothy Parker article, I would invite you to look at dorothyparker.com and decide. Thanks. --K72ndst 05:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why links have to be "official" or what that means.  The link seems useful to me. Zompist 09:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Vote for KEEP the link, unless it is libelous. Chivista 14:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked over the link more carefully and I think it's 100% legit.  If you can't have a link to a Dorothy Parker Society in an article about Dorothy Parker, what can you have?  I don't care whether it's "official" or not, and I would like to have that fully explained it if seems to make a difference to someone else.  Also, I gotta say that I don't much care for anonymous editors whose editing primarily seems to be removing stuff that they disagree with. There's another guy (anonymous, too) who apparent runs a pay-for-site involving old radio shows who's been going on a rampage trying to delete all the links to free, public-domain radio shows.  He's stopped doing it in some of the articles, because he's been threatened with being blocked, but he definitely has an agenda of his own for his activities.  In the Dorothy Parker case, I dunno, but I think this link should definitely be left alone.  If necessary, I'll ask the Admin. involved in the other case to come and take a look here. Hayford Peirce 19:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if it's not official it's apparently authorized. I think it should stay. -Will Beback · † · 22:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okie, let's give it another 24 hours for any more discussion, and then, unless there are compelling reasons not to, one of us can reinstate it. Hayford Peirce 22:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Seems to be working now 186.77.141.40 (talk) 05:19, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: The Dorothy Parker Society

message: Would it be worth adding a line that says:
*The song 'The ballad of Dorothy Parker' on the album 'Sign O the Times' by Prince (1987) has nothing to do with this person. 
Otherwise helpful editors will keep adding it. -Will Beback · † · 08:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah; it's irrelevant to the subject of the article. Just keep swatting away those flies ... +ILike2BeAnonymous 17:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Song

message: Everyone in the Author infobox I list under "influences" is stated in Marion Meade's biography Dorothy Parker: What Fresh Hell Is This? and for "influenced" these are writers who have said over the years that Parker was a major influence. K72ndst 01:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences

message: ; Description : The focus of the project would be articles relating to the Algonquin Round Table, including its members and their literary works. 
; Interested Wikipedians (please add your name)
# Otto4711 17:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Algonquin Round Table proposal at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals]], please vote!

message: I'm moving this information out of the article. I'm trying to get this article up to GA or FA status and a trivia section is a bar to that goal. I've integrated a good chunk of it into the article already but this remainder doesn't fit anywhere.
*Parker's famous line, "What fresh hell is this?", has been quoted in several movies and TV shows. In the 1989 film The War of the Roses, Kathleen Turner's character says it. It was also used by Kelsey Grammer in an episode of Frasier and by Patrick Swayze in To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar. That quote also became the title of a rock album by Art Bergmann. The quote was again used in John Hillcoate's 2005 film The Proposition. The film is set in the Australian outback of the 1880s; well before Parker would have actually said it.
*Alan Moore imagines a shooting and writing spree with the writer in the song "Me & Dorothy Parker" which has been recorded by the Flash Girls on their album Maurice & I.
*Parker's name was used on a compendium of literary extracts about tattoos, Dorothy Parker's Elbow - Tattoos on Writers, Writers on Tattoos by Kim Addonizio and Cheryl Dumesnil, so named because she had a small star inked on the inside of her arm.
*She is featured in the song "Dorothy Parker's Hair" by the Australian band Mental as Anything.  
*The television series Gilmore Girls was produced by Dorothy Parker Drank Here Productions, Amy Sherman-Palladino's production company .
*The New York branch of Madame Tussauds wax museum has a wax figure of Parker on display.
*Punk band The Mr T Experience recorded Parker's "Somebody's Song" poem on their 1996 album Love Is Dead.
*Tintin used the line "Laughter and hope and a sock in the eye" from her poem Inventory in his song "Kiss Me".
*The songs "Afternoon" and "Ballade at Thirty-Five" from No Promises, by Carla Bruni were adapted from the poems by Parker.
:Thanks for all that! As for this..."Parker's famous line, "What fresh hell is this?", has been quoted in several movies and TV shows" - add that it was said by the character Malory Archer on the TV show "Archer". FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 17:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia section

message: I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of October 14, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: The nitpicky type stuff at FAC doesn't concern me.  This was overall a clean, brisk read.
:2. Factually accurate?: Well-cited.  I don't have access to the books used as reference, but I assume of course that the information is faithfully passed along.
:3. Broad in coverage?: Actually, I do find myself hungry for more as I read this article.  Maybe some of these things are known but I'm curious: how did she react to being on the blacklist?  She bequeathed her estate to Martin Luther King, but had she met him before?  I think it might be good to have maybe a paragraph in this article that lays out the importance of the Algonquin Round Table.  Are there any bite-sized examples of her wit?  Some quotes of her writing, even pull quotes perhaps, could really help the reader get an idea of what sort of wit she had.
:4. Neutral point of view?: Yes
:5. Article stability? Yes
:6. Images?: Yes
If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations. 
— JayHenry 04:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Successful [[Wikipedia:Good articles|good article]] nomination

message: I have re-added these. Please don't delete them without discussion as it was agreed above that would be a useful contribution to the article.  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 10:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: The article states that Parker was asked to leave her school for calling the dogma of the immaculate conception "spontaneous combustion." This seems to be referenced although I don't have access to the cited book. However, it doesn't really make sense. Immaculate conception refers to Mary being without sin (every other person since the fall has original sin according to Catholic docrine), I'm not sure how "spontaneous combustion" is a good metaphor for this. It would be an amusing metaphor for the dogma of the Virgin Birth of Jesus though. The two are often confused by non-catholics. I could be wrong about this, Parker may well have said it, but i think the source needs to be double checked. Grcaldwell (talk) 11:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears real; see this 1956 interview in The Paris Review . It might be good to add this as a reference to the article, since it's quite easily viewable and an offline book isn't. — e. ripley\talk 18:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice interview! Yep, seems she said it. I'll add a reference. Grcaldwell (talk) 19:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Immaculate Conception or Virgin Birth of Jesus

message: That is not the correct photo of Dorothy Parker. I know the LOC has it labeled as Parker, but that is a pianist from the early 20th Century, not the author. It is a common mistake that happens all the time with this same image. This photo is pre-1917 when Dorothy was still Dorothy Rothschild. Also, just compare the nose and eyes to the book covers. -- --K72ndst (talk) 00:35, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong Dorothy Parker photo

message: The current edit says that DP's career at Vanity Fair took off in 1921, but she was terminated in 1920 after she was already popular. This seems false, but if it's true could it be clarified by someone who knows the qualifications that would make sense of it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.150.231.90 (talk) 17:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates at Vanity Fair 

message: Business is Business was a 1925 silent movie, not a play, as has been recorded here: "In 1924, Parker collaborated with fellow Algonquinite George S. Kaufman on a one-act play, Business is Business." The book Dorothy Parker: A Bio-Bibliography by Randall Calhoun has a list of her screenplay and play credits. K72ndst (talk) 17:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Business is Business  

message: "..and her father was of German Jewish descent (but not related to the Rothschild banking dynasty"
How could he not be related? The Rothschild name was adopted by the banking dynasty for the Red Banner (or Shield) that marked the shop of Amschel Mayer Bauer in the Judenstrass173.176.120.156 (talk) 07:08, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rothschild 

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message: Parker was claimed to be a patron of Polly Adler's bordello or brothel in New York.
:Does this indicate lesbian practices, or the use of gigolos? Valetude (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polly Adler's bordello 

message: I was very confused by a sentence talking about how acerbic Parker's reviews were, and then an awkwardly inserted quote on A A Milne. I couldn't understand what her quote actually means, but it's strongly implied that she was acerbic toward Milne, which doesn't seem correct. Thujone33 (talk) 19:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing quote on Milne review 

message: In her will, she bequeathed her estate to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Following King's death, her estate was passed on to the NAACP. Her executor, Lillian Hellman, bitterly but unsuccessfully contested this disposition.
:What was Hellman's agenda? Valetude (talk) 23:46, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify, please 

message: Seriously? The citation is just to the publisher's notes of the Portable Dorothy which dates to 1976 in the citations.The publisher is not a reliable source for such a  bold claim.
There are numerous portable series books that are being sold today and have been sold for some time.Contentcreator (talk)
*It's (supposedly) the publisher commenting on their own series. Drmies (talk) 03:08, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highly suspicious and dated claim with an unreliable source 

message: Parker has half-Jewish by birth, but she did not appear to identify culturally as Jewish, and it seems inappropriate to classify her in the Lead as a Jewish writer. There does not appear to be documentation in the article to support the idea that she was perceived as a Jewish writer in her day, unlike the later authors Saul Bellow and Philip Roth, for instance.Parkwells (talk) 16:20, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: American poet

message: The photo associated with the Dorothy Parker wikipedia page is not a photo of Dorothy Parker. Comparison with any other photo of Parker makes it clear this is a different person, as not only is the face vastly different, but this photo was clearly taken at the turn of the century based on the hair and clothing, when Parker would have been a child. 2601:602:8801:C4E3:5DFB:1656:8E37:4803 (talk) 05:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Anyone who compares the face (especially chin, jaw & lips) in the  with any of the other photos of her ( but any Google image search of her name will illustrate this) must surely see the huge discrepancy with all of the other photos of DP. Also, as the commenter above mentioned, the outfit and photographic style are anachronistic for DP. I think we're better off going with the latter photo mentioned above. It's good enough for Penguin publishing , after all. In the meantime, I've contacted the Library of Congress about the obviously non-DP photo.--Philologia 14:33, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of Dorothy Parker 

message: Parker was born Dorothy Rothschild in 1893 to Jacob Henry Rothschild and his wife Eliza Annie (née Marston) (1851–1913)
But then...
Her mother died in West End in July 1898
They can't both be right. Valetude (talk) 21:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother's death 

message: I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates for books and articles, as well as tables for organising short stories, poems and/or book reviews. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 (talk) 10:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography 

message: The use of the word "accused" seems a little weaselly to me -- I'd argue that the stronger sentence would be "Parker hated her father, who physically abused her," or, if we want to be less definitive about it, "Parker hated her father, who she said physically abused her"
The use of words like "claimed" and "accused," in the absence of explanations in other parts of the article, seems to me intended to cast doubt on the veracity of her own statements about her own life. I see no reason not to take these statements at face value.
I'm not sure what the relevant Wikipedia policies are here, but it seems to me that there is evidence from authoritative sources that Parker was physically abused by her father, and (to my knowledge) no evidence from sources that contend otherwise
As a disclaimer -- I was not able to access the source that was used for this section, so it is possible that the material therein does actually support this language. But even if this is the case, I think that the article should explain why Parker's telling is presented as an accusation rather than as a true account of her life
-Waidawut (talk) 07:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Parker hated her father, whom she accused of physical abuse" 

message: I've just now deleted:
:The Wild Colonials song, "Vicious Circle" from Life As We Know It EP (2007) is about Dorothy Parker. The chorus lyrics are, "I know how Dorothy Parker felt with someone in her way."
The eleven-word clause quoted above isn't obviously of interest (though I'll concede that different things interest different people). Since 2022, Life as We Know It (EP) has been a mere redirect to Wild Colonials since 2022. But even when it existed, it said nothing about Parker. All that the article Wild Colonials says of the EP is:
:The band's fourth album was intended to be released as four separate EPs under the umbrella name Life As We Know It (UMe/Universal). To date only EP 1/4 has been released.
No, there's no mention of Parker. And Wild Colonials is an article with no references whatever. If the mention of Parker in the song is significant in some way, then nobody has been bothered to explain how. -- Hoary (talk) 10:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wild Colonials

message: she and her husband are "real-life" characters and friends of Lillian Hellman in Julia50.43.163.127 (talk) 02:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Julia (1977 movie)