Talk:Chestnut

message: Why is only the Metric system used instead both English and Metrics?  I have no idea as most Americans what the fuck a meter is.  Someone must have gone through the entire article and removed all mention of the English system.  That was a rotten thing to do.  --68.118.188.188 (talk) 01:12, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Metric System

message: Could someone edit this article with some nutritional info?  As I understand it, chestnuts differ from most other nuts in having little or no fat and very little protein -- but lots of starch.  I would like to see more about content analysis for chestnuts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.13.20 (talk) 02:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about them, we don't eat the Common ("Horse") Chestnut, and the Edible Maron Chestnut does not grow here. HOWEVER, the article states that chestnuts have way more starch than potatoes. While this may be technically true, it is due to the high water content of the potato. The nutritients of potato are almost completely carbohydrates, a bit of protein, it's a (fattening) carbohydrate food like rice and noodles --88.74.176.26 (talk) 11:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  nutritional info request 

message: Which species of chestnut is the Dwarf Chestnut? Reading from the [Grocer's Encyclopedia] -- search for Dwarf Chestnut, it says
Please add the historical name of Dwarf Chestnut to the article if the correct species is found.
Thanks, Onionmon 06:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Has been added (not by me) - Castanea pumila, whose scientific name indeed literally means "tiny chestnut". Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 17:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Which species of chestnut is the Dwarf Chestnut?

message: Someone needs to straighten out the redirects here. Chinkapins are not chestnuts. The subject word is "chestnut", a common name, not Castanea, a genus name. Chinkapins and chestnuts both belong to Castanea, which should be the topic. "Chinkapin" and "Chestnut" should redirect to Castanea.
:Partly correct, partly wrong (and fixed that). Chinkapins are a number of Fagaceae (including some Castanea), but for Castanopsis "chinkapin" is the only name that is used to any extent in English. Outside North America "chinkapin" is not used for Castanea to any extent, and scientists use it for some Castanea, all Castanopsis, and (as "golden chinkapin") for Chrysolepis with no clear pattern, says Google Scholar. So Chinkapin is now disambiguation. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 17:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: About the maggots in the chestnuts, are they 'fly' maggots? How do they get inside the chestnuts? Do the flies lay eggs outside the chestnut so the maggots will crawl into the tip of the chestnut?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.66.218.156 (talk) 14:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IONO exactly what maggots you refer to, but usually the insects (flies, midges...) lay their eggs inside the flowers and the larvae then grow together with the chestnut, getting inside before it gets the spiny husk. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 17:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  chestnut & maggots 

message: Castanea is not a Latin but a Greek name.Even in modern greek we call it καστανιά(castania)...It is widely known that many latin words come from greek ones...In modern greek "Kastanos andras" means brown-haired man...kastanos means dark brown from the co;our of chestnuts(kastana)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.219.17 (talk) 00:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Castanea Latin name 

message: Here in Plants for a future it says:
:"The sub-species C. pumila ashei. Sudw."
I thought I had understood it as: Castanea is the genus, pumilla or sativa or ... is the species, "underneath" you get the varieties. What is that "sub-species C. pumila ashei. Sudw." doing? What in there is the sub-species: the pumila bit or the ashei bit? Basicdesign (talk) 19:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub-species = ?

message: Here in Plants for a future (same link as above) it says:
"The young growth in spring, even on mature plants, is frost-tender and so it is best to grow the plants in a position sheltered from the early morning sun". That doesn't make obvious sense, if any at aall. It can make sense imagining that if the cell walls are frozen, better thaw the plant / animal slowly. But I wouldn't think that you get a blazing hot sun straight away in the morning after a night's frost, unless in very special circumstances which are not the point here. Nah, it just doesn't fit. And it sure wouldn't be the first cckup I find in pfaf (I like them but they ain't the foremost frontline on exactitude, must be said). So, what does that mean, "sheltered from the early morning sun"?Basicdesign (talk) 19:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess would be something to do with photoinhibition which is more of a problem when it is cold. 131.111.30.24 (talk) 11:43, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "sheltered from the early morning sun" + ??

message: After all that, I think we have something close to consensus on splitting the article as per User:Guettarda's suggestion.  Any further comments?  Should the nut remain here, or move to Chestnut (nut)?  Richard New Forest (talk) 09:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would leave the nut here as the dominant usage.  Guettarda (talk) 13:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Next suggestion...

message: I am removing the section "medicinal properties" from the article, since it appears to me to be alternative medicine presented as if it were well-established applications.
===Medicinal properties===
The fruit is very nutritious, energizing, remineralizing, a tonic for muscles, nerves and venous system, anti-anemic, antiseptic and stomachic. It is recommended to convalescents.
The tannin in leaves and bark makes these astringent, useful to treat bleedings, diarrhoeas etc. They are anti-inflammatory, astringent, expectorant and tonic.Encyclopaedia of Medicinal Plants. By R. Chiej. MacDonald 1984. . Cited in Plants For A Future.The Dictionary of Modern Herbalism. By S.Y. Mills. Cited in Plants For A Future. The leaves are harvested in June or July and can be used fresh or dried. An infusion has been used in the treatment of fevers and ague, but are mainly employed for their efficacy in treating convulsive coughs such as whooping cough and other irritable conditions of the respiratory system. The leaves can also be used in the treatment of rheumatism, to ease lower back pains and to relieve stiff muscles and joints.The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants. By A. Chevallier. Dorling Kindersley. London 1996. ISBN 9-780751-303148. A decoction is a useful gargle for treating sore throats. The bark has been used as antidiarrheic because of the tannins.
The plant is used in Bach flower remedies - the keywords for prescribing it are 'Extreme mental anguish', 'Hopelessness' and 'Despair'[209].
Wood extract (mixed at a 1:2 to 1:6 ratio with sugar) is used as a natural agent for the prevention and cure of diarrhoea in animals.Tannin extract of Sweet Chestnut wood, a process for the preparation thereof and its use. By Roko Mirosevic. Published 01 November 1995. European Patent EP0481396.
Particular comments:
* The first paragraph is phrased like an advertisement, which is not appropriate on Wikipedia.
* The rest is a long "too good to be true" list of ailments that chestnuts are supposed to cure.
* What I find disturbing is the use of phrases like "is used to..." and "can be useful", citing dictionaries and encyclopedias (which are not primary sources, just like Wikipedia isn't) and a patent application (which is no indication that it is actually being used).
* If someone feels that this information belongs in the article, it should be written as "in alternative medicine, chestnuts are used as ...". Other claims to medical properties should be accompanied with references to scientific sources; see WP:MEDRS.
Han-Kwang (t) 10:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medicinal properties 

message: The fruit is very nutritious, energizing, remineralizing, a tonic for muscles, nerves and venous system, anti-anemic, antiseptic and stomachic. It is recommended to convalescents.
The tannin in leaves and bark makes these astringent, useful to treat bleedings, diarrhoeas etc. They are anti-inflammatory, astringent, expectorant and tonic.Encyclopaedia of Medicinal Plants. By R. Chiej. MacDonald 1984. . Cited in Plants For A Future.The Dictionary of Modern Herbalism. By S.Y. Mills. Cited in Plants For A Future. The leaves are harvested in June or July and can be used fresh or dried. An infusion has been used in the treatment of fevers and ague, but are mainly employed for their efficacy in treating convulsive coughs such as whooping cough and other irritable conditions of the respiratory system. The leaves can also be used in the treatment of rheumatism, to ease lower back pains and to relieve stiff muscles and joints.The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants. By A. Chevallier. Dorling Kindersley. London 1996. ISBN 9-780751-303148. A decoction is a useful gargle for treating sore throats. The bark has been used as antidiarrheic because of the tannins.
The plant is used in Bach flower remedies - the keywords for prescribing it are 'Extreme mental anguish', 'Hopelessness' and 'Despair'[209].
Wood extract (mixed at a 1:2 to 1:6 ratio with sugar) is used as a natural agent for the prevention and cure of diarrhoea in animals.Tannin extract of Sweet Chestnut wood, a process for the preparation thereof and its use. By Roko Mirosevic. Published 01 November 1995. European Patent EP0481396.
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Particular comments:
* The first paragraph is phrased like an advertisement, which is not appropriate on Wikipedia.
* The rest is a long "too good to be true" list of ailments that chestnuts are supposed to cure.
* What I find disturbing is the use of phrases like "is used to..." and "can be useful", citing dictionaries and encyclopedias (which are not primary sources, just like Wikipedia isn't) and a patent application (which is no indication that it is actually being used).
* If someone feels that this information belongs in the article, it should be written as "in alternative medicine, chestnuts are used as ...". Other claims to medical properties should be accompanied with references to scientific sources; see WP:MEDRS.
Han-Kwang (t) 10:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Medicinal properties

message: I suggest the implementation of  on this article, because of the length of the reference list. Opinions, rejections? —bender235 (talk) 03:11, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference list 

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message: These examples are very trivial (and irrelevant) and the whole section should be deleted. Rwood128 (talk) 13:59, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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