Talk:Broadband Internet access

message: The section on types of broadband seems to lean towards rural areas. The discussion centers on things like availability in rural area etc. This is a general encyclopedia, not "high speed internet for the rural user", therefore including that discussion in the general description is not acceptable. It should at the very least be in its own section, or perhaps article. There is also 0 mention of cable DOCSIS systems, the prevailing form of high speed internet.
:No, "broadband" is in practice an economic development term used only in reference to rural areas.  Keep your "high speed" tech talk in Internet access.  Hell I remember when 14kbps modem was "high speed".  Drivel.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.30.183.130 (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rural Discussion

message: We just got WildBlue satellite internet service a couple days ago.  We're paying $45 a month for the service.  Installation and equipment ($299), plus the first month's service, and other fees and taxes all came to $371 for us.  Where we live in the country we can't really get anything else - we live too far from DSL, there's no cable service out here, we don't have line of site for high speed wireless.  So far it works really good for us, even with latency.
JesseG 04:39, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I think it's VERY inaccurate to say that satellite broadband is "unsuitable for applications such as multiplayer Internet gaming".  Plenty of turn-based Internet games allow you several seconds to perform an action during each turn.  Some games (Yahoo Pool, for example) allow the player to take an UNLIMITED amount of time between actions.  And even among more time-sensitive games, some of the games deal with latency issues better than others.
Maybe it would be better to simply document the typical latency along with a caution that this latency may affect the playability of SOME Internet games.  SleepyheadKC 20:44, February 3, 2006 (UTC)
I have edited this section. Using personal experience and the information cited in the two replies before me. I think it is now a little more suitable. I have mentioned how it is still possible to play games online but it may be unsuitable for those requiring real-time user input. I have also cited certain exceptions to this rule. In particular, turn based games and real time strategy. I am not perfectly happy with my wording, but it at least serves to clarify and expand on gaming over satellite connections. It's not impossible, under certain circumstances it's totally unnoticeable but it often turns out to be less than ideal. Feedback on my changes would be appreciated.
--Jetlaw 15:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satellite Internet 

message: Can anyone tell me playing online games and downloading programmes and softwares constitute the same thing? Because if somebody's paying $45 a month for broadband will he or she be charged extra for downloading or even playing online games if there's restriction to downloading to certain level? Sisney dude 18:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Downloading & Online Games 

message: A great deal of this article seems to apply to the United States only.  It is interesting, nonetheless, but it does present a distinct bias.  I am not knowledgable enough to edit it, but I would like to see more global information here.
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Engels:
It not only in the United States. It's also being used in Holland. Broadband is the term for a high speed internet. It's express in bps(bits per second). Most of the time it's in Kbps(kilo bits per seconde) and Mbps(Mega bits per second). But it could be more in the future.
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Nederland:
Breedband is eigelijk alleen een term voor een hoge internet snelheid. Dit word uitgedrukt in bps(bits per seconde). De meesten hebben een internet snelheid van Kbps(Kilo Bits per seconde) en Mbps(Mega bits per seconde), maar dit kan ook nog meer worden in de toekomst.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.65.112.183 (talk) 12:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadband Elsewhere? 

message: I think fiber/Ethernet as a last mile technology is pretty important. You get 10 + 10 Mbit/s for 50 USD a month over here in Sweden. And you get 100 + 100 for 90 dollars. --Jan Tångring 21:54, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the term speed refers to the velocity of the electrons, it refers to the rate of transfer in bytes per unit time. Nevertheless your analogy is useful. Tuwile (talk) 11:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about Ethernet? 

message: This article seems to have suffered a growth spurt (maybe it hit puberty?) in the past few weeks. It could really do with some organizing, and sub-headings. I'm thinking something along the lines of:
* "Overview", consisting of a broad (no pun intended) description of what broadband internet is, in terms most general to the layman. Articles should focus on the most widespread (though not necessarily most correct) usage of the term; we need to clearly define what "broadband internet access" means to most people: fast internet. The table of connection speeds should be moved to the top, near the overview.
* "Technology" (or maybe just "Development"), covering the more technical details of, essentially, what "broadband internet access" means to telecommunications engineers. This is the "Well, technically, here's what broadband internet really is..." section.
* "The global picture" (or something to that effect), giving an overview of broadband availability and usage in different regions of the globe.
Just my thoughts on it, anyway. I'll have a go at getting started; hopefully someone with better knowledge of the technical details can help tidy it up and smooth out the narrative flow. -- Wapcaplet 19:33, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sudden growth 

message: We should take care not to apply regional bias to this article. DSL rates and pricing vary a lot between countries: in Eastern Europe and the United States, performance is low and average and prices relatively high, while Scandinavian countries and France have much higher rates at lower prices. We should try to reflect this in the article. David.Monniaux 10:18, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Penetration could be given in terms of availability, in other words the number of homes that could order the service, or subcribers, which is the number of homes that actually have the service.  Penetration can also be quoted in terms of homes or head of population - the first gives higher numbers.  The South Korea number sounds about right to be the number of FTTH subscribers out of total number of homes in the country, which is something else again. People need to be more careful when providing these statistics. --Opticalgirl (talk) 12:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Be careful of regional differences 

message: Should we be using a slightly more current transfer rate - the 256 kilobits has often been called outdated on dslreports and similar sites.  Should we add "in the US the FCC defines broadband as...." in lieu of it's current wording? Tawker 20:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: I propose to move the section Broadband issues by country to a merge with  DSL around the world to form a broader article Broadband worldwide. Please discuss this in Talk:DSL around the world. --Marc Lacoste 14:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: done --Marc Lacoste 13:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  move ''Broadband issues by country'' 

message: It is evident from bandwidth that there is a perfectly standard technical meaning of "broadband" which just means "relatively high bitrate". I therefore don't see the point of the overly-technical two-paragraph rant in the intro. – Smyth\talk 16:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This stuff has now been removed from the intro. Oli Filth 21:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Not really broadband" 

message: I have removed the following sentence from the intro:
:"Broadband" in this context refers to the larger available bitrate, and is independent of whether the carrier is analog (broadband) or digital (baseband).
Broadband in no way implies analogue, any more that digital implies baseband.  What is more, a carrier is always analogue.  Therefore, this sentence makes no sense. Oli Filth 11:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: This page discusses high-speed internet connections, high speed of course being a relative term. Broadband actually refers to the ability of a comminications carrier to support multiple channels of communication simultaneously. This is as opposed to baseband communications. This article should be cleaned up, to remove misuses of terminology, including in the title.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.77.214 (talk) 00:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps Internet access should explain all the technology and (since 'broadband' is either not a technical term or not a relevant one any more as all communications carriers tend to be packet based and therefore 'broadband' now) this article can explain the access issues by population (rural vs. urban, rich vs. poor, by country, by last mile technology with its business and tech challenges outlined) and deal with it more as a cultural factor/phenonema?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.15.1 (talk) 18:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Right, there is a technical term broadband, but now days it has become a meaningless marketing term like a "high performance" car, or "family size" detergent box. Like most marketing terms, it has inflated to the point where every Internet connection technology is called "broadband" which is probably why the two articles were proposed to be merged. At least we need to clarify this in the article. See below. W Nowicki (talk) 19:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect use of terminology 

message: But I can't find why, the article makes no mention of it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.151.96.254 (talk) 15:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps someone thought "High Speed Internet Access" which is what it redirected to back in 2005. There was a separate article on High Speed Internet Access back then, but it was later redirected here. Does it cause any harm? Ah, I see several notable people with Hsia as a name! So it probably should turn into a dab page instead. In fact, Hsia redirects to Xia so not sure what to do. Perhaps one big dab? W Nowicki (talk) 23:06, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  HSIA redirects here 

message: * Denial of ServiceDon't believe the telecoms. Broadband access in the United States is even worse than you think.,  April 28, 2010 slate.com.Nemissimo (talk) 20:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "access", "adoption" & lobbying