Talk:Caltrain

message: I figure it would be a nice addition to put the station list into a table, and in there denote the different ticketing zones.  It's been a couple of years since I rode it last, but then there were nice colour codes on the tickets.  Caltrain's page shows the different zones, but not the colours.  If memory serves, the SF zone was green, but I can't remember the others.  -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 12:09, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't appear that the color codes are used anymore in Caltrain literature.  I'll add the zones.  --ChrisRuvolo 15:48, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There are color codes on the monthly passes.  I'm not sure whether this is recognizable or useful to add since it is not used in other literature.  Your call.  --ChrisRuvolo 17:45, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Colour coding

message: I think the Connection Section should be merged into the Station Stop Section by indicating the connecting transit lines behind the station name. What do you guys think? Also, can someone add a picture of MP36PH-3C in its Baby Bullet consist? Thanks. --Will74205 21:17, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My two cents: the station stops are crowded enough as is.. but if you can do it and make it not look cluttered, I wouldn't be opposed to it.  Thanks.  --ChrisRuvolo 22:00, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection Section 

message: With thanks to everybody, the Caltrain article is probably the most detailed when compare with articles for other commuter rail lines/agencies. But I think this article is getting a little too long. Should we try to pare it down and direct people who need more detailed information to Caltrain website, or leave the article as it is. Thanks for any comments. --Will74205 09:25, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO it is not too long. --ChrisRuvolo 19:39, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: It's too short. Shamefully ;) -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 15:57, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Caltrain article getting too long? 

message: As promised, here's a test version of my proposed new (free) Caltrain map.  I'm very eager for others comments and suggestions for improvement.  I'm using Inkscape, a pretty powerful tool, so it's not to late to make changes (although labourious things like changing lots of fonts isn't going to make me happy).
Differences between this version and the offical Caltrain map:
* The official Caltrain map is copyrighted by PCJPB.
* It's bigger than the caltrain map, and clearer when printed .
* The official map doesn't show Stanford Stadium at all.
* The official map doesn't denote express stops properly.
* This version clarifies which stations are in which zones.  The official map makes Atherton, Sunnyvale and Lawrence's zones ambiguous. 
* Interconnects to airports are shown in legend text, rather than lines, for clarity (the San Bruno/Millbrae section is already very crowded).
Design issues
Things I'm happy with, which I'm probably not going to change:
* The landform and sea/bay.
* The caltrain line, and its stations.
* Fonts and most colours.
* Plane and train icons.
Things I'm not happy with, but don't know how to fix (ideas welcome):
* The zone indications are ugly.  I've tried several ways of drawing this, but it never turns out nice.
* The Millbrae/SFO/BART area is crowded and clumsy, but there's little room to move things around.
Stuff I'd like others to verify
* Are stops and interconnects factually correct?
* Is text in legend box both accurate and clear?
* Is everything spelled okay? Mi spelling iz bad.
Comments below, please. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 15:57, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, nice job.  It looks great.  I find the Zone indicators perfectly fine.  One thing that might be clearer in the text box: "VTA rt10 bus" could be clearer as "VTA #10 bus" .. what do you think?  I know you were trying to avoid a line from the station to the airport.. but I think it might make it clearer which station connects to SFO via BART, without reading the infobox.  One question about the bay/peninsula outline map.. did you make that?  If not, is it under a compatible license?  Also, a compass rose might be useful.  Thanks for your efforts, this is a great map!  --ChrisRuvolo 16:47, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your help.  I've amended the bus # in the legend, as you suggested.  By moving Millbrae and San Bruno west a bit I found space for a line showing the interconnection (and so I added one for SJC too).  The colours of both roughly reflect their respective networks' chosen colours for those services. I added a basic compass rose too, and tweaked a few things here and there.  You may need to clear your cache to see the difference.  The coast vector is public domain - see the description page for details. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 18:38, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is much better than the official map from Caltrain. I am a little unsure about the dotted line from San Jose to Tamien. Also, VTA Vasona light rail line is schedule to open this summer, adding another light rail connection at San Jose. You might need to update the map soon when they close Paul Avenue, Bay Meadows, and probably Atherton. Stanford Stadium is extremely close to Palo Atlo in reality, the southern-tip of the Palo Atlo platforms almost touch the northern tip of Stanford Stadium. They should just close Stanford Stadium station and build a long walkway from Palo Atlo. --Will74205 21:01, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've uploaded a new version, which mostly fixes things no-one else would ever notice, and improving monochrome and red/green colourblindness accessibility (man the caltrain one sucks in mono).  I'm not terribly happy about the dashed Tamien connection either, but can't think of something better.  The official map shows the bus route and train in parallel, which I think could give the misleading impression you could take either on weekends.  I don't really want to use a different colour again (it's hard to distinguish them when printed in monochrome) so a different line style seems the only option.  If someone has a suggestion how to denote this section easily, I'll give anything a try.  As to adding and removing stations and interconnects:  this is really easy (well, the line to Monterrey isn't, but that'll be a while!).  Once we're set on a final version, I'll upload the source (it's an SVG file, which I can coax mediawiki to accept), so anyone with Inkscape (which is free, and pretty straightforward to use) can change it.  Also, although I almost never do wikipedia any more, if someone sends me an email with change requests I'll do it.   Lastly, I'm pretty happy with this version, and no-one seems to object to it, so I'll swap it with the official one tomorrow. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 23:33, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Test version of new map

message: If anyone has a source, I think it would be interesting to track the comings and goings of various stations.  Paul Ave is new, isn't it, and San Antonio replaced Castro.  Belmont and Millbrae are essentially new stations with old names too.  With the deprecations Will74205 describes above, I think the article can give an insight into changes in the area - I guess there's an ongoing shift in commuting patterns, with emphasis moving away from the mid peninsula and into the south bay. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 23:33, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you mean that San Antonio replaced Rengstorff, yes?.  Castro is still operational (the Mountain View stop, connecting to VTA).  --ChrisRuvolo 00:16, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Confusingly, the Caltrain stop at Rengsdorff Park was called Castro (after the Castro City neighbourhood west of Rengsdorff Ave).  I don't believe it was ever called Rengsdorff (although that would be more logical).  Search for "castro station" in these pages: , , and . As far as I can tell, VTA call their stop at MTV "Downtown Mountain View Transit Center". -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 00:40, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a good idea to have a section dedicate to the coming and going of Caltrain stations, probably include the reason for the addition/closure. Paul Avenue will probably close within this year but a new station, Oakdale, is scheduled to be opened in 2008 a little north to Paul Avenue. I wonder what Oakdale would do to the ridership to 22nd St. station. I mean, people like new station better, right, especially when 22nd St. station is in a ditch under the freeway. --Will74205 03:36, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for history section

message: I've updated the map on the article, as promised.  I won't be on wikipedia for several months (heck, I didn't plan on being here this long) so can I ask a couple of favours:
* Can someone list the old version on IFD.
* If a tweak or revision is required, please send me an email (contact details on my user page).
Later. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 20:41, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New map

message: An image or media file that you uploaded, :Image:Ticketmachine.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.
We should also note that :Image:IMG 4291.sized.jpg, which is the last image on the article, is also listed for deletion for the same reasons as ticketmachine.jpg.  Neither image has source or licensing information.  Is there someone in the area who can create new images to replace these two?  Preferably with images that have level horizons?  AdThanksVance.  Slambo (Speak) 20:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Image:Ticketmachine.jpg]] has been listed for deletion

message: So what improvements we need to do if we want this article to receive an rating that is above B? And what makes BART article a GA rated article compare to this one? --Will74205 05:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first and most obvious improvement would be to add references.  There are a couple of inline external links, and there is exactly one reference in the References section.  For comparison, take a look at other Good articles about railroad companies such as California Southern Railroad, Amtrak, Dakota, Minnesota and Eastern Railroad or Pennsylvania Railroad.  Compare the article against the Good article criteria and when it's ready, nominate it for GA status.  Once that's achieved, compare it against the Featured article criteria and then nominate it for FA status. Slambo (Speak) 10:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have started adding some references, but I need help in doing so, as you may have noticed the formating on the references is not great, also more references need to be found for a few things. I'll try to get to it when I can, but any help will be appreciated. --JVittes 21:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think we really need to start to revive the point of adding citations, a lot of the things listed are listed as facts without citations to back them up, and I think it would help in improving the rating to add citations, with that in mind I will start adding citation needed tags to areas were I think a citation should exitst but doesn't and I have been unable to find a source. --JVittes 00:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Rating

message: I think Peninsula Corridor Joint Powers Board article should become a section in the Caltrain article, since it only manages Caltrain. Also, I have been trying to find the funding formula of Caltrain but without much success, can someone point me to an website or provide the info? Thanks. --Will74205 08:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is no objections I'll begin merge the PCJPB article to the Caltrain article. --Will74205 23:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peninsula Corridor Joint Powers Board merge into Caltrain article 

message: I think it would make the Caltrain article too long if we merge these two articles into the Caltrain article. However, a separate article about the history of Caltrain is worth considering. There we can add more detailed history than what is in the Caltrain main article. --Will74205 21:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would also make the article to long, while the PCJPB article is pretty short the other two combined with the current history section will be quite a long section, while having a lot of information on one page may seem useful, it can make the page hard to deal with, and a long boring read, if one thinks that a certain section should have more information, or that there is more notable information than what is written, there is always the option of making an article for the section, this does not mean that nothing about it will be mentioned on the main page, just not all information will be given on the main page. --JVittes 17:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Another vote against merger.  The connection between Caltrain and this historic road is sufficiently distant to maintain separate articles. Tmangray 03:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Peninsula Commute]] and [[San Francisco and San Jose Rail Road]] Merge 

message: I reverted the recent edit because it was a direct copy/paste from http://www.caltrain.com/news_2006_07_31_high-speed_internet.html
Slambo (Speak) 20:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio removed 

message: In an attempt at making editing of the Caltrain map more accessible to others, I have taken User:Finlay McWalter's Caltrain map source at :commons:Image:Wfm caltrain.png/source and made it into a SVG file and uploaded it to commons.
I had to make some changes to the layout, since the Wikimedia renderer doesn't have the same fonts as used in the PNG map.  I also shrunk the compass rose, as I thought it was unnecessarily large.
So, the previous time this map was updated was September 2005.  Are there more changes to the map that are needed?  Let me know. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Caltrain no longer stops at Bay Meadows, otherwise the map is fine, at least for one or two years, unless Caltrain decides to increase service frequency to Gilroy sooner. --Will74205 20:05, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, thanks.  Do you think it is worth noting the A vs. B schedules for express service?  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be good to differentiate express stops from local stops, but probably not necessary to separate them into A or B express stops. Also, do you think putting future extensions, such as Dumbarton Rail, on the map is a good idea? Thanks. --Will74205 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated.  I don't think the future extensions are a good idea at this point since it would contain a lot of speculation.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 04:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SVG map 

message: Can anyone provide some info on the current status of Caltrain's two GP9s? Last I heard was that they are broken. --Will74205 05:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caltrain GP9 

message: I was thinking we should have something written here about the wireless internet service, here are two useful sources , and , I haven't been able to find a good section for it though. --JVittes 02:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wireless Service 

message: User:72.85.160.83 changed the type from "Commuter rail" to "Regional Rail". Then User:70.231.136.49 reverted it. I was skeptical of the change until I realized that Commuter rail redirects to Regional rail and treats them as the same thing. So maybe it makes sense. What do people think? aaronrp 17:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commuter vs. regional 

message: Can someone add some information about the new Muni T line connection? I would do so, but I don't feel I'm qualified. Thanks 
69.109.124.192 03:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New T Line

message: Concerned about the flat-out statement that such service "will be popular". Seems like fortune-telling. I'd be fine with "is expected to be popular" or even "would probably be popular". I'm also concerned about the tone of the statement that "even the purchase of the rail line is being opposed by certain activists from Aptos". Probably factually true, but could be worded better, IMHO. Thoughts? 69.110.235.117 19:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Suntan special" 

message: As of January 1, BART is eliminating the Millbrae-SFO trains, so the only way to connect from Caltrain to the airport will be by taking BART up to San Bruno, transferring, and then going back down to SFO. Unless Caltrain re-institutes its Millbrae-SFO bus shuttle, it effectively makes Caltrain no longer a reasonable airport option. --Delirium (talk) 22:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the brusqueness, but this has what to do with the Caltrain article? —Kurykh 22:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Caltrain article currently says: "Caltrain also has connection to San Francisco International Airport via BART at the Millbrae Station...", but BART is eliminating that connection. --Delirium (talk) 22:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can change that on January 1. —Kurykh 22:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  no longer has direct transfers to SFO via Millbrae as of Jan 1, 2008 

message: I plan to create a list about Caltrain stations, similar to current FLC List of Bay Area Rapid Transit stations. But it seems to me that there is a detailed list of stations here already, I thought I should ask first. If there is no objection, I will go ahead and create it. Thanks—Chris! ct 05:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems okay with me.  I'd remove it from here.  But see what others think.  (John User:Jwy talk) 05:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't need to remove the stations info. We just need to keep a simple version here.—Chris! ct 07:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: fair 'nough. (John User:Jwy talk) 17:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Caltrain stations 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Caltrain's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "map":
From List of Caltrain stations: 
From San Francisco 4th and King Street Station: San Francisco Municipal Railway Map, 2007, access date July 10, 2008
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Caltrain]] 

message: To get a revised version of this page to save, I had to remove the URLs for both the San Francisco Examiner articles in the refs. I don't know what Wikipedia has against this particular newspaper, but both URLs should be Google-able in future, or findable via the history,  when the policy changes back to allowing them. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: examiner.com is considered as spam site here nowadays, as the site has become a blog hosting site, at least in part. There was a discussion around somewhere about it, but I don't remember where. oknazevad (talk) 21:01, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: ''SF Examiner''

message: Seems like these should be merged, which the JPB becoming a "Governance" section. The Joint Powers Board has no independent notability, as it exists solely to oversee Caltrain, and the article is  only about one paragraph of material. Just seems like we don't need a separate article for it. oknazevad (talk) 14:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection to that.--Will74205 (talk) 05:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Peninsula Corridor Joint Powers Board]] 

message: Please see Butler Road (Peninsula Commute station). I know the refs look messy; I'll clean them up. My main question is: Should we add that long-closed (since 1983) station to the Caltrain template, which lists other closed stations like Castro and Paul Avenue? Technically, Butler Road was never a Caltrain station, since Southern Pacific ran the line until just after it was closed, but Butler Road is still part of the historical service on what is now Caltrain. Thoughts? Moncrief (talk) 18:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just created an article about Butler Road, SP commute station closed in 1983 

message: Not sure where to work it in, but I've just imported a photo by Drew Jacksich showing Caltrain's original paint scheme from 1985 (at right). I think those are ex-SP Pullman-Standard gallery cars. Mackensen (talk) 14:25, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old image 

message: Recently, this article was moved to CalTrain (San Francisco). I've moved it back as there was no consensus for this move, and the move is inappropriate for two reasons: this service is named Caltrain, not CalTrain, and this article is absolutely the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Caltrain" or "CalTrain". Mackensen (talk) 02:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent undiscussed move 

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message: There has got to be a mistake in that APTA report. There is no way Caltrain has more riders than LIRR or Metro-North. Also, 216,400 per weekday would translate to over 70 million riders a year, not 5 million. Monthly totals around 500,000 are more believable. I am going to look for a more accurate daily ridership; if I cannot find any, we should removed the daily number and keep just monthly or annual figures. Mirza Ahmed (talk) 20:44, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely a typo. Pinging  who maintains that template. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:04, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  216,400 riders a day?