Talk:Night of the Living Homeless

message: Could Cartman wanting to jump (a certain number of) the homeless on his skateboard (especially at the end of the episode in Venice, California) be a reference to the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 goal where you have to ollie the bum 5 times in the Venice level?  I don't want to add it to the article just yet, as it still just might be speculation. --GVOLTT 02:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that you're good to go. I certainly thought so, especially given the billions of references (mostly oblique) to Dead Rising, so I would add it. Particularly now, within a couple hours of the episode airing, is a good time to add because people are more willing to deal with the cultural reference trivia. RedSkull619 03:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: added. feel free to edit as I'm a relatively new editor here Anidealover 06:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Venice, California is mentioned in the song, right before Cartman jumps again.Joeldipops 08:11, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's probably because Matt Stone has a house there. Jsc83 15:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I have to agree with GVOLLT, because I thought of that reference immediately.--KoRnholio8 21:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just don't see any similarities here. The homeless guy in Tony Hawk was more like a dancing clown, but the ones in this episode were laying down all in a row. Kids on skateboards have always lined up while laying down for someone to jump them, I think that the inspiration for homeless jumping comes much more from the common practice of fellow kid jumping than the random challenge in the Tony Hawk game. In fact it seems ludicrous to me to even draw any real connection between the game and this episode JayKeaton 21:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, there's nothing here that clearly links the two, beyond some people thinking about it.  First of all, similarities lie solely in the words "jump", "over", and "bum".  That's it.  It's not part of a contest, he didn't have to do it 5 times, the bum was described as either a "bum" or "magic".  All of the other references in this episode were prima facia clear - there's no wondering what Glenn's suicide was a reference to.  This, here?  Not even remotely the same.  Claiming that this is a reference to an old video game, instead of any number of other possible references, is entirely without support, and thus constitutes WP:OR.  --Haemo 23:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just that the episode ends in Venice Beache that made my mind sure of the reference.--KoRnholio8 10:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair enough - anyone who played THPS2 probably would think of this, if they have a good memory.  I know I thought of it.  However, that still doesn't make it a reference.  --Haemo 01:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It sounds like it could be either way.  Maybe you should ad a "citation needed" tag before simply deleting it.  Also, if you delete it, don't add immature comments on the talk pages of contributors who vote to keep it in, JayKeaton!  Be warned, anyone who thinks it's a reference to Tony Hawk:  saying so "completely destroys any credit you used to have as a wikipedia editor and makes you seem like a 12 year old adding made up fan fluff."  At least, JayKeaton says so. Professor Chaos 02:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Tony Hawk thing has no place on this page, I think we have already reached a general consensus about that. In any case, someone else has already deleted it. If it comes back, I will delete it. It just doesn't belong here and it simply does not need a citation tag JayKeaton 07:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, it may be a stretch.  Someone else put it there, and I was sure that if I deleted it it would show right back up, so I decided to work it in instead, because it sounded somewhat plausible (what if Matt or Trey are a Tony Hawk game fan?).  As I worked it in, I thought, "this might be true," so I put it back myself.  I should have put a tag on it.  It doesn't mean I have no credibility, or that you can go making a fool of yourself with your comments. Professor Chaos 13:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It's already been decided PC. If you can find PROOF to the contrary, then it aint coming back. I'm sorry, that's just how it is JayKeaton 18:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, just for the record, a  tag is used for a statement you know to be true, but don't have a reference for, at the moment, but are sure exists.  It is not for something you kinda guess might be true if maybe these guys knew about this game and thought it would be funny. That's called original research, and it's prohibited.  --Haemo 20:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, Haemo.  This thing got out of hand, due to unneccessary comments from JayKeaton about my credibility.  I try to remove anything I think doesn't belong in these articles, but they always get put right back in.  I'm glad there's agreement that Tony Hawk doesn't belong here, I won't put it back in.  My prediction was that if I took it out, it would be back in within an hour, so I compromised and decided to at least work it into the synopsis rather than make a long trivia section.  This resulted in my credibility being questioned (you say you didn't, JayKeaton, but your direct quote on my talk page was that it "completely destroys any credit you used to have as a wikipedia editor and makes you seem like a 12 year old adding made up fan fluff.").  I didn't think it was worth fighting to delete this trivia, I had no idea that would result in people accusing me of trying to keep useless trivia.  Look at my edits:  I routinely patrol trivia sections and clean them up! Professor Chaos 16:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Dude, lay off the Tony Hawk thing!  It looks like it's back, and guess what:  I didn't put it there! Just like I didn't the first time, JayKeaton!  I would have deleted it, I routinely delete trivia, but I thought it was pointless as it would just show up again.  I also would like it out of the article, unless there's direct evidence that it's true.  You seem to think I'm crusading to have Tony Hawk included in this article, the only thing I'm complaining about is that you insulted my credibility (direct quote from you on my talk page:  "completely destroys any credit you used to have as a wikipedia editor and makes you seem like a 12 year old adding made up fan fluff"), then denied it.  I don't care what you do about Tony Hawk, but don't go after other editors with good track records when you don't know what you're talking about!  Professor Chaos 17:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It is gone now, I will remain vigilant on this one Chaos, it is NOT coming back. Sorry JayKeaton 19:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, just chill.  He's not adding it, and doesn't seem to want to add it.  Your vigilance is appreciated, but remember to treat other users with good faith. --Haemo 21:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sound advice. Since it also seems like there isn't Consensus, I'd also be careful to make sure we aren't just enforcing our own agendas - or violating 3RR.. njan 21:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: No, concensus isn't a vote - see Wikipedia:Consensus. The key is to discuss this, and not continually revert things you don't like, which is a swift way to violate 3RR and be blocked from wikipedia!. njan 19:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also pretty sure we have a consensus here.  It sounds like everyone agree this isn't a reference, or the people who think it IS a reference have stopped arguing.  --Haemo 23:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I've moved this here from the main article, where it was reverted; since it's signed it seems appropriate for here. njan 19:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but we've already discussed this.  Also, Matt Stone in Brentwood, not Venice. --Haemo 23:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tell that to the song at the end of the episode... "In the city, city of venice, right by Matt's house, you can chill if you're homeless". And while I won't add anything to the page without a verifiable source, the THPS2 reference is blindingly obvious.
Are you guys completely stupid retards? I can't imagine how somebody could think about a guy jumping with a skateboard over a lying homeless guy without playing THPS 2!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apartament3c (talk • contribs) 14:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2]] reference 

message: In the song they sing, I believe Cartman references Brentwood, California. If I am not mistaken, I remember Alex Albrecht, a resident of Brentwood, mentioning that one of the creators of south park lives in Brentwood as well (he goes to the same gym). If someone remembers that episode or can find more specifics, it'd be applicable in the Trivia section 148.61.208.64 02:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia: Brentwood Reference 

message: There seems to be many acts of vandilism in this article. Just saying.. for editors to be aware of that. --Xxhopingtearsxx 02:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's hardly anything new... Maged123 03:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly.  It'll settle down after a little while.  Just stay vigilant and revert as necessary. Jmlk17 03:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Could Cartman jumping the homeless be a reference to the term Jumping the Shark? I mean the episode wasn't that good, but it wasn't that well thought out or anything. Alamandrax 05:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, highly unlikely.  Jumping over a pool of sharks on a motorbike clearly very different from jumping over a homeless man on a skateboard.  The only thing they have in common is the verb "jumping" and the word "over".  --Haemo 00:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Haemo, but I couldn't resist correcting his interpretation of Jumping the Shark.  Fonzie jumped over a pool of sharks on water skis, not a motorbike.  :-)  Hoof Hearted 14:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jumping the Homeless

message: It's too long and it's just rambling.  We need a summary, not a minute-by-minute account. Applesanity 07:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't agree with you more.  Almost every episode this season has a synopsis that is too detailed.  But everytime I make cuts, it just keeps coming back ...like a homeless person who won't stop asking for change.  Hoof Hearted 12:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I trimmed the hell out of this - we don't need a running summary of every joke in the episode.  Let people find it out for themselves, for heaven´s sake.  --20:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Synopsis needs fixing

message: Has there been anything recently that could in anyway make it likely that Matt and Trey would throw in a Simpson's reference?
('Evergreen' Terrace) or is it by all accounts a coincidence?Joeldipops 08:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's much more likely that Evergreen is a reference to the real city of Evergreen, Colorado which is only a few miles from Park County, Colorado.  Hoof Hearted 12:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An obvious reference to the town in Colorado; all the towns they refer to in episodes are actual towns in Colorado. Jmlk17 19:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Evergreen

message: The car accident (one car rams another from the side, while driver looks the other way and camera shows the approaching car from inside another car, such a dramatic effect) looks very much like the accident in The Forgotten (film). I would add it, but my English is far from perfect. Lantios 15:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if that's a direct reference.  I think it was more for shock value...personally. Jmlk17 19:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those car accidents refer at least to the remake of Dawn of the Dead. Similar accidents happen at the beginning of the film (this fact is missing in Zombie Fiction Allusions) --Mikli 17:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Car accident

message: Those 3 soldiers really look like the characters from Gears of war, you can check it on the page the names are linked to. 2 white males (they look like the soldiers) and 1 black male (also looks like the soldier). Also look to the background, very similar
I was kinda thinking the same when I first saw them
-- I think this is pure speculation and coincidental at best, the only obvious similarity is that the 3 men are 2 white and 1 black - their outfits(particularly headgear) do not match the characters that you mention and I believe this comment should be removed from the main article 121.120.48.88 23:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so.  I think they were meant to look ragged and "homeless" perhaps. Jmlk17 19:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Gears of War]] reference 

message: Don't you think that the Homeless scientist or w/e scene and him shooting himself is a self parody of in Fantastic Easter Special (a previous South Park episode)? It just seems too.. FIRMILLIER. --Xxhopingtearsxx 23:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Gory death scenes are typical South Park humor. Applesanity 02:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Watch a few episodes, and you'll see Xxhopingtearsxx is correct. Jmlk17 19:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's definitely not a self-reference.  It's a joke.  See, he says "Forgive me for taking the easy way out" - which is a cliche many films use when referring to suicide.  However, he then proceeds to have a great deal of trouble killing himself, which means it wasn't the easy way out and thus ironic.  In the "Easter Special" the joke was that Kyle was conflicted about stabbing Jesus, but was convinced when he believed it was going to be easy.  This is different. --Haemo 23:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fantastic Easter Special

message: The scene on the roof of the community center, the rescue bus,and the scene in the basement may be reference the movie Tremers     
a fan
:No, they're pretty clearly references to a couple of famous Zombie films, which are already mentioned in the article.  --Haemo 23:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not Tremors whatsoever. Jmlk17 09:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tremors?

message: The part where Randy was keeping the shotgun trained on Glenn, basically waiting for him to become "one of them", reminded me of part of the first Resident Evil movie, when Alice is forced to kill Rain.  If anyone else agrees with this comparison, I'd like to add it to the list of allusions to zombie flicks. - Ugliness Man 05:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not.  It's a clear, and direct comparison to Day of the Dead, which is almost certainly where they got it from - given all of the other references to the film.  It's literally verbatim.  Yours, while similar, is considerable different, and the reference is considerably less clear.  --Haemo 05:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood... I'm a fan of the Resident Evil franchise, but I'm not very familiar with any other zombie movies, so I'll leave it at that. - Ugliness Man 06:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem - the Resident Evil writers are known to be fans of the zombie genre, so it's not a stretch to think that they were influenced by this film.  --Haemo 06:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resident Evil facedown 

message: User:Cosprings added this text to the article:
:Virginia Tech Massacre	 
:This episode was aired just two days after the Virginia Tech Massacre, and contained many occurences of explicit gun violence. While it is unknown whether or not this episode was wholly or partly written following the massacre, its relevance following the event remains. South Park is known for including references to current events as quick as any show in the history of television. If the homeless can be seen as a metaphor for societal outcasts, then the episode becomes an intricate allegory.
I deleted it, but I wanted to make sure you all agreed with my actions.  First of all, it's 100% unsourced speculation - there are no references, and nothing solid here.  It's just a collection of "well-maybes"; something which we should be proactive in removing.  Furthermore, it doesn't even explain how this episode is an allegory for the attacks.  I don't see any conceivable way it is, but perhaps some of you do.
However, what's more important is that it beggars the imagination that this could even be related.  In order for this to reflect the events, two days prior, they would have to have written, edited, animated, and distributed the episode in two days.  Bear in mind, of course, that no one even really knew what happened until a day or so later.  As the South Park article mentions, the shortest it has ever taken them to write an episode was four days - however, it typically takes them a couple of weeks .  It's therefore nearly impossible for them to have written this episode about what's described here. --Haemo 23:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you made the right call and I wish more editors were like you to make sure these episode articles contain relevant information.  Hoof Hearted 14:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it to probably be quite the coincidence, if it has anything to do with the whole matter at all. Jmlk17 09:28, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Virgina Tech Massacre

message: One of the guys who arrive on the rooftop of the community-center is a pregnant woman. This was also the case in at least one Dawn of the Dead movie. --Mikli 18:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pregnant woman 

message: Why has someone removed the reference to Dead Reckoning? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.229.169.189 (talk) 14:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referencing to vehicles in Zombie Films 

message: The trivia section said that this is the 5th out of 7 this season to parady TV/movies, and says one reference is the day after tomorrow. That was back in season 9. I removed that reference and corrected the number. 68.79.0.141 04:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV/Movie References 

message: An editor keeps adding unsourced speculation that this is a reference to Jericho (TV series).  This is totally unfounded, unsupported, and based on the fact that "both involve a group of survivors trying to get by".  By the same token, this is also a reference to the Swiss Family Robinson.  I will be aggressively deleting this, without good evidence for inclusion. --Haemo 22:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, but don't forget about the big revertin' rule! Jmlk17 09:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jericho

message: In the trivia section, it says something like, "The music playing while the boys are wandering around town at night is taken from Metal Gear Solid 3." I just watched the homeless episode and that music sounds nothing like the music in MGS3. Not only that, but there's no citation to prove this. If there's no objection, I'm going to delete it (feel free to put it back in if you can supply a source).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.34.217.222 (talk) 21:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While removing it, I noticed that the citation needed tag has been there since July, so I don't think that the person who originally put that comment there is going to give a source (as I'm sure he/she would've done so already).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.34.217.222 (talk) 21:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Gear Solid 3 Reference 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dawn of the Dead (South Park).png

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Homeless Beg Mr Broflovski.png

message: The part where the now homeless guy is lamenting about how he doesn't have a home, is that a Carlin reference (about how a house only functions as a place for your stuff?) (Neosystems (talk) 00:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Carlin Reference 

message: Should we add something to this article about how homeless people have been depicted differently in previous episodes? Like, less zombie-like, and more regular-human-being-like? And by "should we", I mean does anyone want to stop me from doing it myself? VolatileChemical (talk) 03:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the movie for one, I'm sure of that. There's a homeless character near the beginning, who they use to see the R-rated Terrence and Phillip movie. The guy has conversation with the boys, shows a desire for alcohol (not just change), and actually shows a human conscience when he briefly confronts the boys about trying to see an R-movie underage. That's very converse to this episode. I'll have to try to find some homeless in actual TV episodes. VolatileChemical (talk) 11:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: meh... I don't see this as something worthy of inclusion, it's just part of the absurd humor that homeless people act like zombies in this episode.  Would we point out that Mr. Hankey is different from pieces of poo that have been shown in other episodes?  Or that black people are not always portrayed as rich, as they were in Here Comes the Neighborhood?  Hoof Hearted (talk) 16:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. One: it wasn't all black people being depicted as rich in Here Comes the Neighborhood. It was specifically featuring rich black people. There was never any implication that all black people that weren't celebrities were rich. Two: This is a major departure from previous episodes in the depiction of a group of people. The fact that the homeless, all homeless, are like zombies, is the central aspect of the episode. This isn't a simple gag like Mr. Hankey. I mean, wouldn't it be mentioned if there was an episode all about Canadians that didn't depict them drawn and talking all weirdly? Three: there was also a homeless guy in Ike's Wee Wee who, once again, held conversations, took drugs, and even used logic and reason to get Mr. Mackey to try marijuana. In fact the homeless guy in that episode was the same one in the movie. VolatileChemical (talk) 11:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

text: "And by "should we", I mean does anyone want to stop me from doing it myself?", I will for one. If it's unreferenced, any sort of speculation or original research, I'll happily lift it off this article.Alastairward (talk) 07:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homeless in previous episodes 

message: I removed the "citation needed"-tags from the "Allusions to zombie films" section. Although I agree that this section needs citations to backup its claims, one tag at the top of the section is sufficient in this case, and excessive use of  isn't going to solve the problem. Adrianwn (talk) 15:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research and Tagging 

message: The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material (see WP:PROVEIT). This also applies to claims like "The episode's title is a spoof/parody of the film, Night of the Living Dead" or "the episode itself spoofs the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead" or any other speculation in this article regarding allusions to the zombie genre, otherwise they constitute original research. Remember that any challenged material which doesn't get backed up by reliable sources after some time will be deleted. Adrianwn (talk) 06:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You want a proof of the allusion to the zombie genre? That's moronic. Just watch the show to convince yourself. 131.188.203.167 (talk)
trivia/goof: when the boys arive at calafornia just before it shows the beach a women jogging looks alot like the main girl in the previose epesode.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.166.96 (talk) 20:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research, Verifiability and Reliable Sources 

message: I could have sworn there was some allegorical/satirical joke about the Obama campaign in this episode, a pun on "change". Am I the only one?78.86.61.94 (talk) 04:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless otherwise cited, yes, you are the only one. WikiuserNI (talk) 15:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obama's "Change" campaign