Talk:National Intelligence Organization

message: This looks copypasted from a government site. It needs to be wikified...
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message: I just moved this page to conform to WP:UE, which states that English should be used for page names, unless there is a strong, documented usage of the native-language name in English-language sources. This is not the case in this instance, so the English translation should be used. Parsecboy (talk) 13:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
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message: After improving this article we should make the list of the chiefs a separate article. Evren Güldoğan (talk) 11:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: User:Konli17, how is an alfabetical list more clutter than a random overlapping grouping? It's random, because why use Nato? Why not divide the countries by Blackseafor, OIC or any other seemingly random Turkey's membership of international organizations? Also why divide by countries that were (partly) inside of Ottoman Empire? Why not Seljuk Empire? This grouping also has overlapping. You have countries both in Nato as (partly) former Ottoman empire. Like Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Hungary and Greece. The latter is for example mentioned twice in the article as "Greece: See NATO countries above."
On the other hand, alfabetical long lists are used all the time in Wiki. Such as Fiscal year. Also how is it clutter when it's easier to find, it's.. alfabetical! Unlike the current algorithm flowchart: Yes or no Nato? ⇒ If no ⇒ then proceed: Yes or no ottoman empire? ⇒ if no ⇒ then look under section "others".
So I suggest alfabetical listing or a neutral grouping such as grouping by continents. What do you think? -Randam (talk) 12:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: NATO has defined Turkey's military position for decades, and is its foremost supranational organisation for intelligence-sharing. Lots of former empires have proprietorial attitudes towards their former realms that influence their military and intelligence-gathering attitudes, Turkey's no different. These two associations are the most commonly referenced when Turkey's policies in these areas are discussed. Konli17 (talk) 12:54, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have 3 problems with that.
# Countries listed under Nato are not directly or indirectly related to Nato activities or any co-op with Nato. There is not a cohorent "story". The same can be said about Ottoman Empire. The problem with incoherent grouping is that it becomes a matter of personal taste and subjectivity. For example, one can argue that Erdogan is an Islamist that wants to unite Islamic countries (Ummah). And then group by Islamic vs Non-Islamic countries. Another person in the future might say, the nationalists are in power in Turkey now, let's group by Turkic vs Non-Turkic countries. I say this because before Erdogan, associations with Ottoman Empire was close to zero, because the political elite then could not care less about Ottoman Empire. I can come up with more "X vs Non-X" examples for grouping. Heck, dividing by subject like Gülen movement and PKK would even be more consistent as 80% is about them. If you do neutral grouping like by continents (followed by subgroups of countries), you will have a sustainable list and zero potential discussions. 
# Mentioning the (alleged) influence of Nato and Ottoman Empire territory on the MIT policy somewhere at the top of the page should be sufficient. No need to push it forward at every possibility.
# Technical issues. You didn't address the issue of overlapping. It's highly discouraged to have same sections twice in an article. It's also not a common practice to divide groups by "X vs Non-X" followed by "Y vs Non-Y" etc. -Randam (talk) 20:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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