Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive/29

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#Greg Jones II 19:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: January 2008 Roll Call

message: Tell me, good sirs, how would one go about joining your project? I'm a member of the FF Wiki but never noticed there was a Wikiproject about FF here. So how 'bout it? The Clawed One (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All you have to do is add yourself on the project page and that's all there is to it. Also, remember to sign the roll call every month to remain a current member. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Greetings

message: Hi. I've been improving this article as much as I can, and I was wondering if anyone could give me any comments in regards of getting it to GA? The Prince (talk) 21:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I'll get it peer reviewed as soon as I'm finished writing the production section. PS: Great work you did on Characters of Final Fantasy VII. The Prince (talk) 13:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Final Fantasy VII Advent Children]] 

message: Should be merged. Thought? Kariteh (talk) 18:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say delete, it's unsourced and heavily OR. Plus, it's just one airship in the series. The Clawed One (talk) 20:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmph. I say that we transwiki most of it to the FF wiki and merge it in per Kariteh's suggestions. Greg Jones II 21:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Speedy redirect since it's a useful redirect but has no content to speak of. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold. -- Elaich  talk 02:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Article has been redirected. Kariteh (talk) 08:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Highwind]] 

message: This article exists again. Should be redirected to Common elements of Final Fantasy? — Blue。 21:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely, was merged for a reason after all :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking that maybe it should be listing the wikilinks to the subsections related to the races in each game article? Because if you look at it, Races are basically repeating what the other articles are talking about their races. — Blue。 22:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I've made the redirect but I seriously think we should consider placing wikilinks. — Blue。 23:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Races of Final Fantasy]]

message: Yuna (Final Fantasy) is at Good article reassessment in here. --Mika1h (talk) 22:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Yuna (Final Fantasy)]] 

message: How are you guys doing at enduring the...questionable festivities...that Wikipedia has turned into? — Deckiller 06:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean? The Clawed One (talk) 06:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I get what he means. Well, Deckiller, you can see for yourself how the WPFF is progressing thanks to the fiasco. — Blue。 13:43, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm partially to blame for the fiasco; I was the one who knowledgeably opened Pandora's Box by rewriting WP:FICT. The rewrite hasn't really changed, but it's spawned many elitists. But there are many other contributing factors as well, namely fair use and a couple elitist users (not necessarily related to the image crackdown). — Deckiller 21:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so he's the one to blame for all the images and pages being deleted/AFD lately? I was wondering why. I've seen fair-use images be deleted before, but now it's like, everything is going. The Clawed One (talk) 00:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The ironic thing is that most people have marched to the tune, but have opted to make it even more strict o.O It's like Mitt Romney proposing that every child in the USA worships God, and then the atheists taking it a step further and making them all go to convents and monasteries for five years service before age 30... — Deckiller 02:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that he would do that :) But anyway, it's silly to blame Deckiller, who did his best from beginning to end to stop their from being this uncivil war over notability, I think it was bound to happen eventually. I am just sorry the project seems to have been greatly wounded by it. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm not blaming Deckiller, but all the editors who have jumped on this bandwagon. Why did they have to create a problem when none existed? It's not just the project, it's every project and every article on this domain. Soon, we will have an encyclopedia with no images - and the original appeal of an online encyclopedia was the ability to use images to add content and substance. Where is Jimbo Wales? Aren't there administrators who work for Wikipedia, who have the ability to step in and say "this is not what we intended, so please refrain."? Who are these elitest users/editors, and why can't the common sense of the community at large shout them down? Why are they allowed to just run away with this nonsense? I find the structure of Wikipedia to be highly fractured, with articles about policy leading to all kinds of dead ends and branches. It seems to be structured to confuse all but the obsessive-compulsive types who will pursue the splitting of a mustard seed to the bitter end. Common sense is ignored, and splitting of hairs is glorified. I can't find a single article that justifies the mass removal of these images, just reams and reams of discussion, arguments and posturing by nit-pickers. Too bad Wikia didn't take off. It seemed to be a much nicer environment at first. -- Elaich  talk 05:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way, the main reason I lost interest was that it just takes too much effort to maintain everything, since anyone can edit. It's impossible to maintain 12+ featured articles, especially with the constantly fluctuating policies. — Deckiller 05:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So, we just give up, right? Why in the hell would you edit WP:FICT? It almost seems like intentional vandalism. So, you lost interest. Just sign out. Looks to me like you just want to make a name for yourself, somehow. What in hell WAS your motive? -- Elaich  talk 10:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa there, no reason to get all huffy.  Dec did get FFs 4,6,7,8,9,10,10-2,12, and chars of 8 up to FA, and character classes, 1,2,5,tactics, world of 8, music of 8, Rinoa and Squall to GA.  It's not like he's some attention seeeker.  He tried to rewrite WP:Fict because it was really vague, so people were taking it multiple different ways.  It's not his fault that a bunch of editors took the new version as an excuse to go on a rampage.  --PresN (talk) 15:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction! Tactics was my effort! Deck helped but but he wasn't around during its FAC. — Blue。 15:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he got it to GA though, which is what I have him as.  I know you got it to FA.  --PresN (talk) 16:54, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhuh! Well, carry on with the talk, everyone! — Blue。 17:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And 5-6 of those were joint efforts as well :) And Elaich, there is no reason to get all angry, and please don't use the condescending "we". I had already made a name for myself by 2006, so that wasn't my motive with WP:FICT. The motive was to strike a written compromise to avoid pointless AFDs and make it clear to newcomers how things are really being done. It wasn't really changing how things are done; it was keeping newcomers from getting confused on what the practice is. The ironic thing is that I was too nice. I'm not really upset with the current version of WP:FICT as much as I'm disappointed at all the time they're wasting on radical arguments. And besides, I lost interest with Wikipedia 2-3 months after the rewrite... — Deckiller 17:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I think we should revive the project by finally launching a Final Fantasy V and Final Fantasy XI Featured Article candidacy. They have been mostly ready for a while, and it is time to give them a try. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: How are things going with the project?

message: Since Judgesurreal mentioned nomming them for FA, I think we should discuss them now. With V, I think we need a few more citations for the story, and the bit about "Final Fantasy Extreme: should be sourced. Anyone else have ideas for either of these articles? The Clawed One (talk) 01:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that much about V and VI, since they are my least favorite FF games, but I'll be glad to help in any way I can. I'm pretty good at writing prose and syntax. -- Elaich  talk 03:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then Final Fantasy XI, could we launch this one soon? Could everyone who still comes here just take a quick look at it and then give FFXI a try at FAC? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Priority should be on Final Fantasy III; it has lost GA status, which puts the featured topic in jeopardy. — Deckiller 19:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. FFIII should be top priority. Greg Jones II 19:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would put Chocobo World and List of Final Fantasy media at the top as well, the former is part of a featured topic and latter was a featured list. --Mika1h (talk) 20:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, if we are going to work on those articles, great. I just want to do something, you know, kick start our project again. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never been clear as to why the list of Final Fantasy media was delisted, and what remains to get it back to status. I wish we could start with establishing what needs to be done to these 3 articles to get them to GA/FL. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the to-do list on the talk page. --Mika1h (talk) 21:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, let me put it this way; I have no interest in working on any of those three articles if no one else is going to, and I have great interest in getting FFXI to Featured status, and am willing to see through the nomination. Can I volunteer to guide it? I was a major contributor a long time ago to that article anyway. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Greg Jones II 17:09, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic! And if I find anything for the other three, or if others work on it and need me to do "x", I'll be there. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  V and XI 

message: Final Fantasy III is at Good article reassesment in here. --Mika1h (talk) 13:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems good, but there are a few places with awkward wording:
"the game faced several delays and was eventually cancelled after the premature death of the platform."
"Jobs themselves are basically interchangeable classes"
"Steal" being the Thief's speciality, while "Jump" is the Dragoon's forte
But beyond the occasion wording issues, well-sourced and notable. The Clawed One (talk) 15:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Final Fantasy III]] GAR 

message: Look, I'm not disputing that FFVII got rave reviews all around.  I just don't see the point of tacking on "critically acclaimed" to the character pages.  Example from Tifa Lockhart:
It's as if Central Intelligence Agency opened with:
We're just tacking on adjectives here.  I deliberately chose the CIA because it's arguably a body that contributes to the US's status as a "nuclear superpower", but in itself the adjective is unwieldy and excessive.  The FFVII characters certainly played their role in making the game "critically acclaimed", but the point that they are FFVII characters is just as easily conveyed without the descriptor.  Kelvinc (talk) 17:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. We should stick with NPOVs. — Blue。 18:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[FFVII]] characters as "critically acclaimed" 

message: I have nominated Music of Final Fantasy IV as a Good Article.  If anyone has any comments or criticisms about it before a reviewer gets to it, please speak up! --PresN (talk) 21:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And passed!  Thanks to all who helped. --PresN (talk) 14:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Music of Final Fantasy IV]] GAN 

message: Here we go! Come and comment to give this a quality review. :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are reading these words, please go and comment on this FAC, I wouldn't want if failed for lack of comment. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Final Fantasy XI]] FAC launched

message: Could someone add NA-class to the template so talk pages for categories and templates don't show up in unassessed categories. --Mika1h (talk) 14:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:WPFF Article]] 

message: As the FFXI nomination is going smoothly, I am launching this one after a long gestation. Now, get over there and say what you think! Hate it, love it, anything! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Final Fantasy V|Final Fantasy V FAC]]

message: For information, it's been a week that Judgesurreal777 nominated this and it's still pending. FightingStreet (talk) 09:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ....That's because it's 26th in line on the list at GAN.  It's not in VGames, it's in Theatre, film and drama. --PresN (talk) 14:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children]] GAC

message: I know we have a lot on the table right now, but this article really needs some help. I cleaned it up months ago, and I, along with a few others, are protecting it from vandalism and poor editing. However, I would welcome a review from more qualified editors, and would like to see it reach GA status. -- Elaich  talk 01:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It has serious notability problems from what I can see, and merger is probably the best way to go. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Characters of Final Fantasy IX]] 

message: If any of you are available or know of sources that can be used, that would be great. I haven't found any that would help very much, and we need reliable sources on things like the fan translation and perhaps some more reception and development info. If anyone knows Japanese that would probably help. Thanks! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Final Fantasy V]] sourcing issues

message: Cloud Strife is now back to GA! --PresN (talk) 04:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ....and...delisted again. --PresN (talk) 15:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cloud Strife]] 

message: Music of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance has been moved to Music of the Final Fantasy Tactics series, as I've merged in info from the FFT album and the FFTA2 album and started expanding.  I'm not sure how to reflect this in the  template- currently I have it so that it's linked as music from all the games involved, but there might be a better way, if anyone can think of it. --PresN (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put the music articles in a third row. I've also shortened the Ivalice Alliance titles and reordered them by release date (FFXII International was misplaced). Does it look okay? Kariteh (talk) 20:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me! --PresN (talk) 23:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Music of the Final Fantasy Tactics series

message: With a number of recent mergers, :Category:Final Fantasy VII characters and :Category:Final Fantasy X characters have become much less populated; 7 and 5 respectively. Would it be better to kill the categories and place the articles in :Category:Final Fantasy characters? Any thoughts? (Guyinblack25 talk 01:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, go ahead, we don't need cats for 5/7 pages, especially when the supercat only has a dozen or so to begin with. --PresN (talk) 16:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The categories are now empty. I'll try to list them for deletion later today. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the delay, but here is the deletion nomination. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 May 14#Final Fantasy character categories. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI- The categories have been deleted. See link above. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Fantasy character categories

message: I've gone and listed LoFFca at peer review for comments, so if anyone from here wants to chime in, do so there, or here, or on my/the article's talk page, or whatever. --PresN (talk) 14:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any other comments? --PresN (talk) 21:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Final Fantasy compilation albums]] PR 

message: I have left a question here regarding Aeris. The talk page doesnt seem to get much action so i thought id bring your attention to it here, feel free to just delete this though if you dont care lol. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 17:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aerith 

message: Music of the Final Fantasy Tactics series is now nom'ed for GA.  Please feel free to review, criticize, or change the article. --PresN (talk) 16:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Music of the Final Fantasy Tactics series]] GA nom 

message: Should this template be renamed to something more generic, since in addition to the FF article, it's used for List of Bleach video games and List of F-Zero titles? I think the same tables are also used in List of Castlevania titles and List of Harvest Moon titles, albeit in direct wikicode instead of template transclusion. Kariteh (talk) 16:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:FFtitlebox]] renaming 

message: Has anyone got any hints on how to make this article a GA. I tried cleaning it up a little, but it still needs a lot of work. Any constructive comments are most appreciated. The Prince (talk) 16:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A few points- The lead needs to be longer (around 3-4 real-length paragraphs), there's some citation needed tags in music style, the biograpshy should be longer if possible, and the associated acts section is rubbish, it shouldn't even be there. try to use the fifth citation, "A Day in the Life of Final Fantasy's Nobuo Uematsu" to help with the biography, I think I remeber him talking a lot about himself in that one. --PresN (talk) 21:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comments. I've rewritten the biography section with info from "A Day in the Life of Final Fantasy's Nobuo Uematsu". Let me know if there's anything missing there. The Prince (talk) 11:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Another thing: The discography list looks awful in this article. Perhaps we can split the discography to a new article called Nobuo Uematsu discography or simply remove it? The Prince (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Uematsu graduated from Kanagawa University,[3] without a major in music." What did he have a major in, then? Also, for the discography, just put it in a collapsible table- check out any of the Music of FF articles for the syntax. --PresN (talk) 16:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Naw, a seperate article is fine. A lot of people have those, no reason not to in this case. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 16:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the derivative works section as it's not totally relevant to Nobuo Uematsu; he wrote the original songs, but everything he wrote before going freelance is owned by Square Enix and Uematsu didn't directly work on these projects. Plus the section was heavily incomplete and would be much too long if completed. I also put the games section in two columns, so now the discography isn't that long and I think it should remain in the article. Kariteh (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I just found out that loads of content has been copy pasted from this website: . What shall we do about this? The Prince (talk) 20:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which content? You can't copyrite a bare list of facts (i.e. list of games he's written music for). But if it's actual article content, then it needs to be changed to prevent plagiarism, yes.  ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 20:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mainly content in the "music style" and "concerts" sections. The Prince (talk) 21:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I've nominated the article for GA status. The Prince (talk) 00:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And passed! The Prince (talk) 20:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nobuo Uematsu]] 

message: Final Fantasy III needs to be nominated for GAC by June 10 or the FF FT will become reviewable. Kariteh (talk) 14:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy III GA 

message: Final Fantasy IV has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BKNFCC (talk • contribs) 
:Already done. --PresN (talk) 05:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: FAR