Talk:Abd al-Rahman I

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message: I finally finished the rather large recounting of Abd al-Rahman I's enigmatic voyage from Syria to Spain. If you truly want a more detailed version of the story I suggest you read Ahmed ibn Muhammad al-Makkari's (AKA al-Makkari) "The History of the Mohammedan Dynasties in Spain". It is such a fascinating read! Al-Makkari also uses the work of previous Muslim historians to offer different accounts of what happened. Good stuff! The next section I'll be working on (as time allows) is "Fight for the Right". By that I mean, of course, fighting for the right to rule Muslim Spain. Abd al-Rahman's ascention will not be easy, and then it will remain tenous at best. Thucydides1.
:How can you explain that, from Damascus, Abd Al Rahman fled to north Africa (Southwest) and still crossed the Euphrates (Northeast)? 194.199.107.36 (talk) 11:51, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Though not strictly a primary source, Al-Makkari is an old author, hence read cautiously and critically. It is a collection of earlier accounts, possibly including unreliable late 9th century Asturian chronicles. For a insightful approach to sources, check Roger Collins bibliography. Regards Iñaki LL (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
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message: In an edit of 04:16, 10 January 2007, Thucydides1 said in the "Bibliography" field that "Note that several bibliographical citations are missing. they will be placed back as time allows".  It has now been over twenty months and the citations have not been provided.  We cannot expect Thucydides1 to do it as his/her last edit was more than a year ago on 8 May 2007.  So, can we pitch in and find the citations for footnotes 8 through 14?  --Bejnar (talk) 16:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there's no other choice than remove them, unfortunately. --Attilios (talk) 13:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing footnotes

message: I've removed the image to the right from the article because it is unrelated to Abd ar-Rahman. It's actually a coin from Baghdad, minted during the reign of Abbasid ruler al-Mahdi (775-785). If you read Arabic, read the image description at Wikimedia Commons and compare it to the inscription on the coin itself. It reads "Medinat as-Salam" (= Baghdad). Alfons Åberg (talk) 11:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
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message: Is there any reason why the title uses the phonetic Abd ar-Rahman rather than the proper spelling of his name, Abd al-Rahman? In Arabic (and standard English translations of Arabic), the name is Abd al-Rahman ("servant of the Gracious").  By verbal laziness, al-Rahman (the Gracious) is often pronounced as 'ar-rahman', but it is not spelled that way. In the Arabic spelling of his name, al-Rahman (الرحمن) clearly begins with 'al-' (ال). 'al' means 'the' in Arabic, whereas 'ar' is simply not a word. Most of the modern English-language scholarly sources on Arab and Spanish history I've read spell his name properly as 'Abd al-Rahman'.  I've only seen the phonetic 'ar-' in archaic or unreliable writings (you might also find 'ar-' in Qur'anic lessons for foreigners, but those are geared to teaching pronunciation for recitation, rather than spelling/transliteration).  So I'd like to move the title to the proper spelling "Abd al-Rahman", leaving note that it is often pronounced 'Abd ar-Rahman' (ergo the Spanish 'Abderraman', the Portuguese Abderramao' etc.)  But rather than go ahead and change the title myself, I'd like to canvas opinions and get a consensus first. Walrasiad (talk) 02:07, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This matter is discussed in the Sun and moon letters article. Walrasiad's phrase "verbal laziness" is a very loaded way of describing what he later admits is considered the correct pronunciation. The question is whether a transliteration should be strictly letter-by letter, or whether it should reflect pronunciation, and practice has varied. Since both viewpoints are legitimate, changing now risks starting a pointless edit war, so it would be better to leave it as it is. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 14:00, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

text: There's further discussion of the issues in the article Romanization of Arabic. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 16:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

text: The correct wikipedia answer must be to follow WP:RS. If it really is "the standard usage in modern scholarly sources" (which I haven't examined enough to be sure), that argument wins. My reluctance is based only on an aversion to changing between alternatives which are equally valid, but I have no real objection provided we're sure that nobody would want to change it back again. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 21:20, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

text: As nobody else appears to have strong feelings about this, I'm happy to quit here. I have no objection to your moving the article. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 11:06, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

text: I don't object to the use of al-Rahman, but the Spanish version of his name is Abderramán I and after Muslims/Arab accounts, they would be the best placed to know the right way to say it. (SSJPabs (talk) 16:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abd al-Rahman, not Abd ar-Rahman 

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message: The image used for this page is clearly the same as another image on Commons also named as Abd al-Rahman I, except the description of that image says it is of Abd al Rahman III.  I find versions of it on the internet labelled as Abd al-Rahman I in some cases (but many of them seem to derive from Wikipedia), and as Abd al-Rahman III in other cases (), and in one case the same page first showing it as I, then again as III, highlighting the confusion.  In one sense, it might as well be either/both because a modern artist is just making it up anyhow, but still, we should only use this for Abd al Rahman I if the artist intended it to represent Abd al Rahman I, and I haven't been able to figure out if that was the intent. Agricolae (talk) 22:56, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image not really Abd al-Rahman I ? 

message: No reference to Anthony Fon Eisen's "Prince of Omeya" ?
(apparently there's no Wikipedia article either about Anthony Fon Eisen nor his book)81.67.30.80 (talk) 17:35, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prince of Omeya 

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message: Few line. Adb_al_rahman achievement rule 119.152.123.15 (talk) 09:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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message: The Biography subsection entitled “Fight for Power” contains no citations and makes several claims that read as hyperbolic. The section runs afoul of the style guide as well, seeing as it is full of words that may introduce bias. 
Can a warning be placed on that section? 2601:147:C101:920:7593:B26E:3104:FCDE (talk) 05:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fight for Power Citations