Talk:The Glass Bead Game

message: From Hesse:
"Throughout its history the Game was closely allied with music, and usually proceeded according to musical or mathematical rules. One theme, two themes, or three themes were elaborated, varied and underwent a development quite similar to that of the theme in a Bach fugue...."
"... a language of symbols... so that it became possible to... reduce mathematics and music to a common denominator, as it were."
A combination of mathematics, music, and symbols may be found in Timothy A. Smith's analysis of a Bach fugue-- available as a Shockwave movie or as an essay.  Related symbols may be found at the Kaleidoscope Puzzle. 
These links seem closely enough related to the Bead Game to be incorporated in the article, so I have added them. Cullinane 07:44, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathematics, Music, Symbols 

message: What's Mornington Crescent got to do with The Glass Bead Game?  Apart from that it's got  "game" in the title?  
Was the Glass Bead Game a 'game' in the usual sense?  Wasn't it more of 'Meta' Art-Form which was performed?  
Perhaps the confusion comes from the German 'Spiel', which can mean play a game or to play an instrument.  Given that music pours out of the pages of the Novel, I'd say it was more the latter.
Which makes Mornington Crescent feel even more out of place.
Elchoco 20:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mornington Crecent 

message: I feel that this should be perhaps moved to its own page. This article should focus only on the book and literary criticism of it.
:Loyola 11:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempts to create a real-life Glass Bead Game

message: Conspicuously missing from this article is any mention of the actual nature of the Glass Bead Game, which is the title of the book, this article, and the central concern of Castalian scholars and the protagonist Joseph Knecht.This seems to have been removed by User:RepublicanJacobite on 29 September 2008, with the note "unreferenced OR". Could someone please construct or reconstruct such a section, of course free from OR and properly referenced? Thanks. --201.37.230.43 (talk) 02:50, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Conspicuous because the book always talks around the actual nature of the Game.  Mdw0 (talk) 07:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article needs some description of the Glass Bead Game itself

message: Can we clean up all these links to real-life attempts to play das Glasperlenspiel? They are not mentioned in the article, and don't have much to do with the book, in my opinion. Hesse deliberately described his game in such a way that it could serve its purpose in the novel without being subjected to imitation in reality (source: foreword to the novel by Theodore Ziolkowski).  Jalanpalmer (talk) 17:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it. Dlabtot (talk) 16:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  After following all of the links, it turns out none of them are relevant.... Now to check out the 'See also' section, where I expect similar results. Jalanpalmer (talk) 17:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you're right.... Language of the birds?  I sure don't remember anything like that in the novel. Dlabtot (talk) 17:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm removing some. I have erred on the side of keeping way too many links. I hope someone with more knowledge on these topics (and who read das Glasperlerspiel as a piece of literature and not as an instruction manual for playing a game or synthesizing all knowledge...) can help out. Jalanpalmer (talk) 18:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed a few. Dlabtot (talk) 19:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: This does not meet our reliable source guidelines, so it really can't be used as a reference. So I will remove it.  However, that webpage cites sources and the new wording is much improved. Dlabtot (talk) 02:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In what way does it not meet the requirements? Ed Fitzgerald t / c 02:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I'm not in the habit of rising to the challenge when I'm asked to prove a negative. But it looks like just some website, not a published source with a reputation for fact-checking and reliability. However, since it's mostly in a language I don't understand, I certainly could be wrong.  Perhaps it would be more helpful if you were to say why you believe it does meet our RS guideline. We could also post the question on WP:RSN. Dlabtot (talk) 02:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

text:  Also, who cares? The statement I originally believed needed a citation, no longer appears in the article. I think the current wording is fine without a citation. Dlabtot (talk) 03:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

text:  Edit-warring is inappropriate. It is called the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle, not the Bold, Revert, Revert cycle. Dlabtot (talk) 03:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The material on the website is written by a librarian in Finland, and the site is, in fact, copyrighted by the municipal library.  Please see this article for additional information. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 03:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/hhesse.htm http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/hhesse.htm] not [[WP:RS]] 

message: Just wanted to say I've navigated a lot of Wiki pages, and think this one particularly good for what it can and should be. ~Paul V. Keller 17:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Props 

message: There is a parenthetical in this article that states that the book being a story about running boarding schools makes it an "exploration of education and the life of mind". I admit that I haven't read the book, and the person who added it is probably in good faith. but this article is about a novel, and it seems to me that interpretations like this belong in book reviews, not encyclopedias. Exabyte (talk) 19:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you should read the book if you wish to participate in editing an encyclopedia article about it.  Just a thought.  Dlabtot (talk) 19:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it because it is an example of extremely poor writing. However, User:Exabyte's point is another good reason to remove the text, and User:Dlabtot's dismissive reply is inappropriate. — goethean ॐ 19:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's hardly inappropriate to advise editors to become conversant with the subjects of the articles they are attempting to edit. And the idea that encyclopedia articles should not include interpretations of  their subjects is just completely wrong. However, material should be verifiable, so the lack of a citation would be a valid reason to remove the text. Dlabtot (talk) 19:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

text:  What is it about my comments that you find 'odd'?  Dlabtot (talk) 19:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it odd that you reverted my edit, then gave a valid reason for the edit on the talk page, but appeared not to intend to make the edit for which you had just argued. — goethean ॐ 20:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I do disagree with your edit, as the material you removed was not imho, 'poor writing', and also conveyed an important point about the book. But it is pretty much a no-brainer that all content needs to be verifiable.  But as per previous comment below, I think the article in its present form is lacking in more in-depth analysis of the novel, as it consists primarily of a plot summary. Dlabtot (talk) 21:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interpretation of boarding school plot 

message: I've noticed that the subject of this article has been categorized as Science Fiction. I could see it being Speculative Fiction or even Philosophical Fiction but how is it justifiable to call it Sci Fi? Trilobitealive (talk) 05:32, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not much into labeling but it seems to me that all three of those would fit. Dlabtot (talk) 06:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Science Fiction doesn't really fit. Reyk YO! 07:26, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, it's about a far future civilization and imagined ways of thinking, extrapolated from the present. How is that not science fiction? Dlabtot (talk) 08:17, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, science fiction is a difficult thing to define. There's probably as many definitions as there are science fiction readers. Some would no doubt argue that the almost complete absence of science in this novel would exclude it. I would need to see a reliable source describing it as a science fiction novel before I would be comfortable with Wikipedia calling it one. Reyk YO! 08:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  These type of discussions are, in my opinion, a complete waste of time. So although it's obviously science fiction, if you want to remove the category I will not object. Dlabtot (talk) 09:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK. Reyk YO! 09:42, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I might as well try to convince someone that water is wet. Dlabtot (talk) 19:09, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not trying to dissuade you from your opinion, though I hold to the contrary. But I would like to wonder a moment about how broad can a category be before it reaches the point of being overly inclusive? And what distinguishes sci fi from other genres of speculation? I consider Shakespeare's The Tempest, Swift's Gulliver's Travels and Dante's Inferno either speculation or one of its other sub-genres. And I think of Well's The Time Machine, Smith's The Game of Rat and Dragon and Clarke's 2001: A Space Odyssey as being more sci fi than not. I think that the differential is whether the respective stories' plots require a scientific/technological mechanism to work as a story. It appears to me that Hesse was actually writing a baroque society like that of ancient India or China; he chose the convenience of an unknown future merely to avoid having to make characters non-Germanic in their folkways and trappings.Trilobitealive (talk) 20:37, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories: Sci fi or speculative fiction? 

message: "As a student, another meaningful friendship develops"  The appositive phrase "as a student" in this syntax refers to the friendship.  Fix it.
4.249.72.95 (talk) 21:11, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  bad English 

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