Talk:Falconry

message: I deleted the section on St. Albans, revised the US regulation section to read more objectively, revised the captive breeding and hybrid section to be more inclusive, revised the "falconry around the world" section to be more inclusive, and finally, I reorganized sections to make more of a understable flow by topic and pulled out or combined redundant sections.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goshawk2 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: revisions to tone and reorganized

message: I don't see a place in this article or Falconry (training) where it describes what goes on during the actual hunt.
Xytor500 (talk) 23:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I'm not even sure where to start. In addition to hawking longwings vs. broadwings vs. shortwings, there are completely different practices involved in fist-hawking, forest-hawking, soar-hawking, hawking from horseback and even car-hawking. What a layman would see with a squirrel-hawker is very different than what you would see being done by someone hunting waterfowl or upland game birds. I can see why no one wrote this section before. The bit on furniture would be easy enough, the equipment is more or less the same everywhere, but the procedures will vary widely with the circumstances and there will probably be plenty of contention over how things are done if more than vague details are given. NajaNivea (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The actual hunt?

message: From the article:
:"This genus has a worldwide distribution. They are large powerful birds that have only one representative in North America and Britain, the Golden Eagle."
Pardon me, but does this refer only to eagles used for falconry? I believe North America also has the Bald Eagle. KamuiShirou 04:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By definition, the Bald is a sea eagle, different Genus. Thanks, KamuiSirou! JT 02:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eagles

message: I forgot to say in my edit summary that I removed the copyvio notice. According the the main copyvio page, the site in question is in fact copying us! Djbrianuk 12:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Suspected copyright violation

message: Shakespeare "sharp set"
Monguls, King Ethelburt (?). A royal activity. Aristo POWs. Died out with invention of flintlock pistol, cadgers, hobbies, mews (from Latin mutata, to change).
The Boke of St. Albans is widely quoted for its description of which social classes were assigned particular raptors for use in the sport of falconry. Throughout history many researchers have believed that the list was actually an allegory because the species listed for different castes were completely inappropriate for the sport. For example, Mary Queen of Scots favorite sporting ratpor was the Merlin, yet the Boke of St. Albans dictates a different species. The list from teh Boke of St. Albans should be considered a loose guide rather than a formal lawbook that dictated which raptors could be possessed by which social castes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rookhawk (talk • contribs) 04:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A few rapidly transcribed notes

message: There needs to be some discussion of the recent use of falconry as a bird strike mitigation measure at airports. Some discussion of the illegal trade in Saker Falcons for Saudi falconers is probably also appropriate.
The illegal trade in Sakers is largely myth, filled with decidedly inaccurate information (for example, the alleged value of the birds.  
Regading the Bird Abatement, that might be a good tangent topic. It's not falconry in the truest sense of the word, but since falconry techniques are used, it's worth a mention. I'll add something about that.  Might want to add something about Operation Falcon as well. JT 02:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bird strikes, illegal trade

message: This article, while fascinating, reads like an enthusiastic introduction to the hobby, rather than like an encyclopedia article. Someone needs to "adjust the voice" to make it more encyclopedic. I'm going to add it to my list of things to do, but it's likely to be a while before I can get around to it. If someone else (perhaps someone who knows more about the subject than I) wants to go ahead and  take this on, I promise not to get my feelings hurt ;-) —CKA3KA (Skazka) 23:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made a couple changes to the tone, mainly in how to get instructed, but yes it may need some work. Feel free to continue. Some enthusiasm, masked in neutrality, wouldn't hurt though. Tyciol 02:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Voice needs adjusting

message: Raptor Rehabilitation comes up in a search of Wikipedia, but when I put the brackets around it, it comes up in red.  Pardon my ignorance, is there something missing in the Raptor Rehabilitation article which causes it not to be parsed properly? JT 02:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I got it. The names are case-sensitive. JT 03:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tag formatting

message: This is referred to as an example of a non-existent thing under the Boke of St Albans heading. But surely it is an existent thing -- builders use chalk line reels. You stretch the string line out of the reel, then snap it to leave a chalky mark. mattw 02:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "a reel of chalk line"

message: After a cleanup of the article and talk page, I noticed that Falconeering was listed as an alternatie term for Falconry. I bolded this and redirected that term here to help that out. What confuses me is what term is used. Falconer is the only term I'm familiar with, but is there a possible term, such as Falconeer, Falconeerer, Falconeerist, Falconist, or something along those lines, or is Falconer used as the practitioner noun for both terms? Or is it 'The Art of Falconry' but 'I'm going out Falconeering'? What about Falconing, has anyone ever heard that one used? Tyciol 02:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Falconry & Falconers, Falconeering &...

message: *The spelling "lanere" in the Boke of St.Albans quote is because that spelling was used in the Boke of St.Albans. Anthony Appleyard 11:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: Too much of this reflects the attitude of falconers rather than falconry.
It's said that if you put 10 falconers in a room, you'll get 12 opinions.  But this article must stick to the facts.  The reasons for using a Peregrine/Lanner, for example are NOT accurate (and I'm not even going to get into a longwinded discussion on the psychological reasons for it, the legal aspects in the US vs. the EU and UK, etc.)  So let's see about a major overhaul where it sticks to the facts, and refers them to local sources, maybe?  What do you guys think we can do to keep this from being so blasted subjective?
--JT 19:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Voice / singular perspective 

message: The claim that Harris' hawk (and the Galapagos hawk) are the only social raptors is objectionable, to say the least. They are perhaps the only sociable birds used in falconry but the most sociable bird of prey is the black kite, which, in Northern India and Pakistan, often flies in flocks of over a hundred individuals.
:Some other raptors roost or migrate in flocks—I'd have to say the Swainson's Hawk and Broad-winged Hawk, which migrate in flocks of tens of thousands, are as social as Black Kites.  The article should probably say that Harris's Hawk is the only or one of the few raptors that hunt socially.
"The article should probably say that Harris's Hawk is the only or one of the few raptors that hunt socially." I too think that this is more appropriate snafu918  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snafu918 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sociable raptors 

message: If the article is going to cover ways that U.S. regulations annoy falconers, it should also have some discussion of the reason for the regulations and whatever support they get.  I can add a little bit on anti-falconry sentiment, maybe next week or the week after.  With citations, which this section badly needs for studies that allegedly show that falconry isn't harmful.
I took out the claim that U.S. regulations are heavy-handed by world standards, considering what the article says about the tiny number of falconers allowed in South Korea and the total prohibition in Australia.  —JerryFriedman 18:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV on American falconry

message: First of all, it's a mistake to say that falconr first came from East Asia since it was previousl thought that it was created in Central Asia. Even the Chinese, Koreans and Japanese learned falconry from the Mongols and Kyrgiz. Anyway, I actually wanted to ask if anyone could tell me what birds were traditionally flown by falconers in different countries. I know that the Kazaks used golden eagles and Egyptians had their sakers. I also heard that the lanner falcon was favored in "the Middle East and Meditteranean" which isn't very specific. What about other countries?
Bald Eagles have been used in North American falconry sporadically for some period of time. Arguably, the most notable "first account" of a Bald Eagle was as a mascot for a Wisconsin Civil War regiment, circa 1860. The first legitimate hunting use of the Bald Eagle was documented in the Falconer's Club of America Journal (1941-1961) by Daniel Mannix. Dan Mannix used a Bald Eagle for the pursuit of Iguanas in Mexico in the 1950s. Upon signing the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act in 1968, use of Bald Eagles for the sport of falconry was outlawed in the United States but the practice still continues occasionally in Canada. An article in the publication "American Falconry" written in the 1990s outlined the use of Bald Eagles for the pursuit of white tailed jackrabbits in Canada but its use as a falconry bird is very limited.
Beyond the regulatory hinderences the preclude use of the Bald Eagle in falconry, most countries that have bifurcated or wild Bald Eagles also have the Golden Eagle; a more traditional and conducive eagle for the sport of falconry.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rookhawk (talk • contribs) 04:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditional falconry 

message: In the United States the type of bird you can start with is limited to 4. An apprentice can have a Red-tailed hawk and a Kestrel in most places. In Alaska only an apprentice may have a Goshawk.(In Florida you can have a Red shoulder but not a Kestrel. ( The permitted may possess only a red-tailed hawk (Buteo iamaicensis) or a red-shouldered hawk (Buteo lineatus)Article IV, Sec.9, Fla. Const. Law 39-9.005 1/19/94 39-9.005 Falconry.)
 
I thought i'd put this here because the Birds to start With section isn't technically correct and doesn't correlate with the laws in the United States. I do not know how things in the U.K. and other places work though, but i definitely know they can use a Harris' Hawk.
As of the ~2010 changes, federal law no longer limits apprentice birds to 2, 3, 4, or whatever small claimed number of species. State laws vary, but the ones that adopted the federal rules without major modifications will generally allow apprentices to take raptors that are not peregrines, strigiformes, or eagles, and maybe a couple of others. I'd have to look it up for the specific blacklist. The section as is currently written is plainly wrong in this respect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.132.68.148 (talk) 21:28, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Birds to start with

message: *The kestrels, both Common and American, although the smallest bird used in falconry and rightfully depicted as not a good beginner's bird, are fully competent gamehawks and can be extremely successful in the right hands. They are ideally suited to the sub-urban and urban falconry that many of us, due to increasing population density, are developing/forced to adopt. Many folks can't or don't want to fly the smaller accipiters (talk about non-beginner birds!!) and can't afford perlins, so a kestrel is truly the only bird that matches the available quarry. I hate to see them dismissed out of hand as if they were truly only suitable for knaves and serfs, when in fact they can be hunted year-round on species classified as vermin (certain sparrows, starlings, and blackbirds) and account for hundreds of kills in a year. The Yahoo Group "Kestrelfans" has nearly 800 members worldwide and continues to grow as our hunting habitats continue to shrink.
63.127.95.175 (talk) 19:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Can we get some kbird lovin' in here!?

message: from TiHa  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.136.230.137 (talk) 11:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Image (?)

message: *As there is no verification of Day-old cockerel, and it is simply a stub defining one method of feeding raptors used in falconry, I think it should be merged here and redirected. VanTucky 20:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: the tiny portion dedicated to the use of owls in falconry is quite poorly written. nearly all owl species can be used in falconry and have been very successful. the only part of training owls that is different from raptors is that you have to hand-rear and imprint them in order to train them successfully. Owls are definitely much less intelligent than other birds of prey. you need to give them a ruitene (sorry can't spell) otherwise they forgot what they are meant to do. for example, I saw a Siberian Eagle Owl in a demonstration which was constantly gripping the ground because she kept forgetting to let go. That is hardly what I would call intelligent.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.168.93.3 (talk) 12:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  training Owls 

message: I know this is true however there is no citation and i can't find the legislation for this. Does anyone have a legal background who can help find the specific act that outlaws falconry in Australia? I believe it happen around 1975.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1NosferatuZodd1 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Falconry illegal in Australia? 

message: Pardon my ignorance but I find the current lead definition of falconry to be most unhelpful. What is it exactly? Is falconry just letting birds fly away and come back with a prey? danielkueh (talk) 22:03, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition not clear 

message: I'm copying this from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds for your consideration:
:I am reading falconry site. Falcon was symbol of some Mongolian tribes and some ancient historical course shows the pictures. You should be check the pictures of falconry on the themes of Persian ancient miniatures which is related Mongolian empire. That would be interesting for falconry site. (Badamsambuu. G202.131.235.68 (talk) 11:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: I am wondering if doing this would be a good senior project. I would only do this for about a school year and I would have to wright a report at the end of it but would it be a good idea. Nhog (talk) 18:31, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senior project 

message: For anyone interested in the history of falconry, I recommend this scholarly article: Edward H. Schafer, "Falconry in T'ang Times," T'oung Pao , Second Series, Vol. 46, Livr. 3/5 (1958), pp. 293-338, JSTOR. Keahapana (talk) 00:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful reference 

message: Wot? no mention of Barry Hines Kestrel For A Knave? Shame on you!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.146.68 (talk) 07:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literature & Film 

message: From the page:
:In North America only the American Kestrel and the Red-tailed Hawk are permitted for a beginner falconer during his/her apprenticeship
This seems to be an incomplete or incorrect statement. In Colorado, the regulations read that only those two wild caught species are allowed, but it seems that others are allowed if they are captive-bred. In Louisiana they also appear to allow red-shouldered hawks and this seems to be changing to allow more species.  I am far from an expert on this subject (just reading up on it), so I am adding a citation needed tag.  Hopefully someone who knows more about it can clean up or elaborate more in that section. 
--HrafnWyrd (talk) 22:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species for beginners 

message: Some kind of falcon was used in the film Silent Running (1972). I obtained a picture, here. Does anyone recognise the species? Kintaro (talk) 23:36, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok... I now think it's a Harris's Hawk... isn't it? Kintaro (talk) 14:27, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What species? 

message: Bated breath and 'in a bate' are known to come from a verb 'bate' shortened from 'abate'. They are not Falconry related. Fed up is recent slang, a shortening of 'fed up to my back teeth'. I added some citations as well for ones I could find. Some things seem unlikely on this page, but I can't find a source either way so I left them alone to allow someone with access to other etymology systems to find a source for them. 50.175.40.46 (talk) 05:53, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terms derived from falconry fix 

message: Found this recent addition by surprise, rather than from watchlist.  Good for a laugh, but regrettably it can't stay. 
Pelagic (talk) 20:46, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chickenry 

message: I feel that this is a very important omission. Nowhere does it say how one actually hunts with these birds, or if they even do any of the hunting. --184.254.133.119 (talk) 12:11, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  But how does it work?? 

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thread_title:  Book of St Albans 

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message: No mention of US prime time television show FALCON CREST? 23.242.214.23 (talk) 17:41, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literature and Film