Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2006

message: Please discuss any related topics here. --日本穣 22:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm working primarily with Owarai right now, but if you need any aid with anything, let me know. If I don't know, my wife will. struggle 23:19, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. (^_^) --日本穣 03:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I think that we should have a userbox, so that we can identify ourselves and draw attention to the project. I have no clue about how to make a userbox, though. --Tachikoma 16:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I'll probably get to that sometime this week, but if someone else wants to make one before I do, I'm fine with that. (^_^) --日本穣 18:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks good to me. And thank you for not using the flag. Miyajima's Torii is a perfect choice. LordAmeth 23:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks fine, and to echo what LordAmeth said, that image is a nice alternative to the flag. --Tachikoma 00:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the flag was just something to put in the space until I (or someone else) came up with a good alternative. Also, please use  as I moved the template since it's a userbox. --日本穣 01:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should probably also take into account other possible spellings, such as WP Japan and WikiProjects Japan. I don't know if a simple page redirect does that. --Tachikoma 01:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Redirects do that.  And I really like the userbox design.--み使い Mitsukai 01:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: There's . (I didn't give it that name.) It looks like this:  Fg2 01:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm...that seems to be an odd thing for a userbox. I wonder if anyone would care if we absconded with it and turned it into a redirect? --日本穣 02:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've absconded with it and repaired all the appropriate links. --日本穣 20:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  we need a userbox 

message: I hope no one objects, but I have taken the liberty of adding several James Clavell-related articles to the project, namely The Asian Saga, Shogun (novel), Gai-Jin (novel), and Shogun (miniseries). Shogun, in particular, both in print and TV adaptation is considered a notable promoter of Japanese history and I think qualifies for inclusion here. I'm not sure about adding Clavell's biographical article to the project, but I certainly wouldn't complain, although his sum career is more widely Asian in nature than strictly Japanese. 23skidoo 01:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. (^_^) --日本穣 02:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: James Clavell

message: Does anyone have or know of a bot that could fix a bunch of redirects?
*Special:Whatlinkshere/Shōnen manga (everything needs to point to Shōnen manga)
*Special:Whatlinkshere/Shōjo manga (everything needs to point to Shōjo manga)
*Special:Whatlinkshere/Seinenn manga (everything needs to point to Seinen manga)
*Special:Whatlinkshere/Josei manga (everything needs to point to Josei manga)
(^_^)  --日本穣 23:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been redirecting the shōjo manga links on articles. I've done them all except pages that really need to link to a shōjo anime or shōjo genre page. I'm not sure that a substantial article could be made for either though and I have redirected shōjo anime to shōjo manga for now. What are your ideas on creating such articles? --Squilibob 14:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking a disamboguation page could be created for Shōjo (and the other three above) which explained the different uses and linked to appropriate pages. --日本穣 18:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reverting this change, it makes more sense in English language articles to deal with the manga and anime at the same time when discussing these terms. Can people not discuss major moves on the pages in question before suggesting mass bot-involving changes? --zippedmartin 22:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because "Shōjo" is not the same thing as "Shōjo manga". The articles in questions specifically discuss manga, with a little anime thrown in (and anime is less likely to fall into a specific category as it's geared toward as broad an audience as possible). They do not discuss "Shōjo" or any of the others except in passing. --日本穣 23:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes Zippedmartin is right in saying articles deal with both anime and manga at the same time, using shōjo as a genre. Nihon's point is that many pages are using shōjo as a type of manga. The main shōjo article should deal with the genre as a whole and shōjo manga should remain as a separate article that discusses only the shōjo manga. Thoughts? --Squilibob 02:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's exactly what I mean. We need both, and the current articles deal almost exclusively with manga. And, as I said, plugging a specific anime into any one genre is much more difficult as anime are almost always adapted into something that's a little more ambiguous and hard to pigeon-hole. --日本穣 03:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Well I learnt a lot I didn't know from your proposed article. --Squilibob 07:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Me, too. I didn't know they had so many classifications for juvenile criminals. If anyone wants to check my translation, feel free. There were a few parts where I was basically guessing because I didn't completely understand the specific words or phrasing they used. --日本穣 07:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Something along those lines would be fine at Shōnen (disambiguation), but search any body of text in English (websites with google, being one option), and you'll find that by far the greatest use of shōnen/shounen etc is in relation to a subset of manga and anime. Common names dictates that that should have the root. --zippedmartin 20:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bot-powered redirect fixing?

message: I would like to suggest that, if a page is already covered by a daughter / sister project, that it should stand as is. In other words, it would probably be better to only have the more specific talkbox on an article's talk page, rather than having the specific and the general project talkboxes. 
For example, there are a few articles now that have both the Japan project talkbox and the Japanese Mythology talkbox on their talkpage. I think it would be better to just use the Japanese Mythology box, as it is the more specific project. MikeDockery 04:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can go with that. I was actually thinking it might be cool to have a tiny icon like the Good Article. I tried it here; look up in the top right corner of the article. --日本穣 07:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks okay to me, only it should be a little bit smaller, so that it doesn't break the section line at the top of the page. Another idea would be to include the icon (or just a regular text link) in the talkbox templates of the daughter projects. MikeDockery 13:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone want to make a smaller one? It can't be too much smaller or people won't be able to tell what it is. I actually think it breaking the section line looks good. (^_^) --日本穣 18:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, rather than make a smaller one, I just proportionally adjusted the dimensions of the image. Is that better now? It appears above the rule when I view it. --日本穣 00:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? (^_^) --日本穣 23:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, if I didn't already know what the icon was, I wouldn't be able to tell at the current size. As an alternative, what if you used 日本 in the corner instead?--Tachikoma 16:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that can work as a good thing if it gets people to click on it. The same thing can be said for the Good Article and Featured Article icons that appear in the same corner--I didn't know what they were until I'd clicked on them once. (^_^) --日本穣 19:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, we've been discussing this just above. (^_^) --日本穣 10:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this should be the case for most anime and manga articles. In cases such as Hello Kitty, since it's a cultural phenomenon in addition to anime/manga, I think having both would be fine. Another option is the icon I made and stuck up in the top right corner of this page. --日本穣 10:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  talkbox 

message: Shouldn't anime and manga article talk pages contain the  template instead of ?  Since WikiProject Anime and manga is already considered a "child" of this WikiProject, it makes more sense to discuss over all issues about anime and manga with that WikiProject, instead of both projects directly coming up with guidelines and recommendations for those individual articles. -- Ned Scott 08:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we've been discussing this just above. (^_^) --日本穣 10:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this should be the case for most anime and manga articles. In cases such as Hello Kitty, since it's a cultural phenomenon in addition to anime/manga, I think having both would be fine. Another option is the icon I made and stuck up in the top right corner of this page. --日本穣 10:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime and manga 

message: There are an awful lot of Japan-related articles on the site, and I think it might help us focus if we created some sub-pages of the main project for each grouping of articles. For any that fall under a specific exisiting WikiProject or Collaboration, we could post a link to the sub-page on that particular project's or collaborations page so they'd be aware of it. As we run across articles that need work, we could list them on the sub-pages under the appropriate heading (e.g. "Stubs needing expansion," "Wikify," "Grammar and spelling," etc.)
Here are some ideas for possible sub-pages:
*/History
*/Mythology, philosophy and religion
*/Language
*/Popular culture
*/Anime and manga
*/Business
Any others? I'm tired and going to bed after this. (^_^) --日本穣 09:45, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it were allowed, some of the requests from Wikipedia:Requested articles/Japan could be moved to the relevant sections. --Squilibob 02:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True. I don't know why it wouldn't be allowed as long as there were some pointers to the pages so people could find them. --日本穣 04:03, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization idea

message: You can find it here: /Participants. I moved it in order to make the main page to be a little smaller since we've gotten quite a few people joining the project. --日本穣 04:03, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved Participant list to new page