Template talk:Sectstub

message: I think it's a bad idea to have a category for an article be that a section is a stub.  As an instance of the oddness of it, on articles with multiple substub notices the category listing "Stub section" will appear multiple times at the bottom.  I don't see why we can't direct someone to "What links here" instead. VV 11:04, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The expansion portion could be worked on to include the edit of the specific section as opposed to the whole article -- however, I don't know how to do that. -- AllyUnion (talk) 11:44, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is there any way to make change the action of "help" link to section edit? --Shervinafshar 09:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: This would require a MediaWiki software change, such as a HiddenCategory:Whatever usage, which would add an article to a category but not list the category on the page itself. Feature request, I suppose? • Benc • 20:47, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 'Substub' category 

message: The image tends to disrupt the flow of the following section. I propose removing it. —Ashley Y 06:51, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)
:Done. —Ashley Y 10:59, 2005 Mar 7 (UTC)
::Making it inline rather than "left" fixes the flow disruption issue.  Restored. — Stevie is the man! Talk | Work 14:33, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
:::What's the point of the image? It does still mess up the look of the page, as the entire line of text bcomes taller. Ec5618 18:26, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
:::: I repeat, what's the point of the image? User:Stevietheman put the images back citing that 'Wikipedia stub msgs are moving toward having images associated with them'. Why is this true and what is the point? The sectstub should, in my opinion, be a subtle reminder that the section is still rather bare, and that a contribution to it would be appreciated. -- Ec5618 17:07, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
::::: I support the image. Images let you quickly identify templates. --MarSch 30 June 2005 15:07 (UTC)
::::::I think the image is ugly and disrupts flow, but I understand the value of having an image in all stub tags. That said, how about a smaller image? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 16:22, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This was done by A Man In Black on August 13, 2005. howcheng  {chat} 20:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "'Wikipedia stub msgs are moving toward having images associated with them'. Why is this true and what is the point?"  Indeed.  Moreover, why lump this template in with the rest when all other stub messages appear at the bottom of the page where disruption of text is not an issue? Jimp 17:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding an image 

message: Please add a link to the Vietnamese version of this template:
 vi:Tiêu bản:Phần sơ khai
Thanks.
 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 01:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also add no:Mal:Seksjonstubb. __meco 11:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's now a Finnish equivalent fi:Malline:Tynkä/Osa --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 22:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. NCurse  work 19:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki link to vi: 

message: Shouldn't this be renamed to something not using the word "stub", following the category rename?  Perhaps to , or similar?  I'd suggest keeping this as a redirect for the time being, though.  Alai 06:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done the redirect, but could be a different. (Sub)Stub is when there is no text or only a few text. Expand could be used when there is text, but one want more text--Mac 10:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename? 

message: When clicking to edit the section the entire article appears in the editor. Couldn't this be modified so that only the section appears in the editor. __meco 11:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in any way I see. —Mets501 (talk) 04:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh?  And why not?  You can do that quite easily by clicking on the [Edit] link. OneWeirdDude 23:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit link improvement 

message: I propose changing the first link in the template to point directly at Wikipedia:Stub instead of pointing to the old redirect page. Also I propose removing the link on the "help" text (since it also points to Wikipedia:Stub). Also I propose changing "adding to it" to "expanding it" per the usual wording on other stub templates. Thanks! --- RockMFR 18:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Ligulem 16:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links in the template 

message: :bg:Шаблон:Секция мъниче
Thanks--Петър Петров 16:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done by applying the Wikipedia:Template doc page pattern. Please add further interwikis to Template:Sectstub/doc (not protected) --Ligulem 09:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add lang:bg 

message: <div class="notice metadata plainlinks" id="stub">
{|style="width:100%;background:none"
|width=60px|[[Image:Wiki letter w.svg|45px]]
|This section is a [[Wikipedia:Stub|stub]]. You can help by [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit}} expanding it].
|}</div><includeonly>[[Category:{{{1|}}} articles with sections needing expansion]]</includeonly><noinclude>
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{{/doc}}
</noinclude>
Which looks like this:
	This section is a stub. You can help by [ expanding it].
:Category: articles with sections needing expansion
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-- PatrickFisher 06:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any reason why you see the icon should be 10px larger? ZsinjTalk 19:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, minus the image size increase. ZsinjTalk 01:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Edit

message: There is an SVG version of the image, so I suggest to change the image to this one. Cristan 12:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The image 

message: Is there like a line break after it or is the image actually that big that it messes up the page flow?--Urthogie 20:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  still disrupts flow 

message: Please add sv:Mall:Stubavsnitt so to link to the Swedish equivalence. --Bensin 02:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwikilink to Swedish wp 

message: :it:Template:S sezione. Bye!
: --Bensin 13:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This template has a /doc subpage that everyone can edit. No editprotected is needed to add interwikis. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idem for it.wiki 

message: :This discussion has been moved to Template talk:stub#invite only non-infringing material
Hello. I suggest that the stub template assert that contributions must be GFDL licensed; perhaps something like
	 This section is a stub. You can help by [ expanding it] with GFDL licensed contributions.
</noinclude>
thank you for considering this. Crimethinker 21:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The edit screen already says Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license. It will be deleted., it's not clear what adding this would accomplish. It might make sense to move that to above the submit button, or even above the edit summary. --Random832 00:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  invite only non-infringing material 

message: I use the normal stub templates all the time, but I've always avoided section-stub because it tends to dwarf the sections it's posted in.  Seems like that problem could be largely dealt with by just shrinking the font like Template:fact and either axing or radically shrinking the image. Just a style thing, but it'd be interesting to see if anyone else feels the same way. 
Seems like templates that may be used within multiple sections of an article should have minimal impact, unlike those reserved for a single section like the cleanup templates & NPOV, neutrality flags.  Unlike those, it is possible to have a lengthy article that doesn't meet the stub definition that has multiple sections calling for this. MrZaiustalk 17:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no objections, making the change.  Please discuss if you see any issues with it, but this should be far less intrusive and will still get the job done. MrZaiustalk 15:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with the proposed change. __meco 20:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Before making this edit, I'd like to make sure that there's a consensus for the exact version of the template to use (with/without image), and that this shrinking is needed at all. If there's a consensus to do so, or no input after a reasonable length of time, the edit should probably be made. --ais523 14:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to agree with the change -- I personally lean towards removing the image altogether (it should probably be less obtrusive, if we can have several copies on the same page), but if the masses favor keeping the image, we can at least shrink it or find a smaller one. – Luna Santin (talk) 19:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I think I still favor dropping the image, but with or without it, that's infinitely better than the current template. – Luna Santin (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. I added a plainlinks class to keep the template similar to Template:stub; the arrow next to the link looked goofy next to such small text. I retained the image because it's been around for a long time, and I think having only text will blend in too much. Cheers. --MZMcBride 04:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks! MrZaiustalk 04:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A little bulky 

message: Is it just me or the current wording is not good English?
: This section stub requires expansion.
What's "section stub"? Maybe "stub-section" or "stubby section" would be better? Ideas? Renata 18:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It just means some of us have been here too long and begun to think of "section stub" as a normal phrase.  It really would make more sense to change "section stub" to "short section".  If the use of the word stub must be preserved, we could use "section is a stub that" or "section is a stub requiring expansion", but both of those would considerably increase its footprint.  Any objections to "short section"? MrZaiustalk 18:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am good with "This short section requires expansion." Stub is really a whole article. Renata 02:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone else an opinion before I change it? Renata 01:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed. Renata 03:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar

message: (Sorry I didn't get into this debate last summer.)    Why use "short section" instead of just "section"?—Markles 21:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why "short"?

message: This template is displayed inside article, but this is maintenance tag, not content of article. Only article contents should have white background, except that in foot section. Add a background color with or without border, like in other maintenance tags like cleanup, unreferenced etc. Thira&lasto 07:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If consensus develops for this I'll do it, but having no background color is the standard for regular stub tags, which this parallels. It would be an intentional change to make this more visible by adding border and color. 13:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, all other likesized templates that I'm aware of, ala , lack background colors as well. This template, like those, was intended to more cleanly integrate with the article text to allow multiple uses without swallowing up the rest of the article. Adding the clear border around this template and intentionally making it stand out as much as Thira&Laso would seem contrary to standard practice with both stub templates and other small cleanup templates, and overly distracting. MrZaiustalk 15:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  background color 

message: I've proposed some major edits to this and other related pages at Template talk:Expand. Please weigh in if you have an opinion. It seems like there's basically nowhere in policy that refers to "section stub" and the editor who brought it up in the talk above was right to point out that the phrase is needlessly wiki-specific jargon: As a result, we no longer use the word "stub" in the template text. Could blow away expand-section and move this there, adopting the other cat and merging this one's into it. Came out of a recent AfD. MrZaiustalk 22:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed major edits

message: 
This template should be converted to Template:Ambox, for uniformity of all messages that appear in article.
Thanks. Lara_bran 08:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done This change would be controversial; see Wikipedia talk:Article message boxes/Archive 6#Inclusion of the stub templates for the last time it was proposed (and it failed to reach consensus then). Consensus can change, but it would probably be inappropriate to boldly make this change without first gaining consensus for it. --ais523 08:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the link. But that discussion was for "article stub" message which appears in the bottom of the article. But this template is "section stub", which appears in the middle of the article. It would be uniform if "section stub" in ambox and "article stub" without ambox, since that message will be at the bottom of the article. Thanks. Lara_bran 08:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean this is the only single stub-template that appears in the middle of the article, all rest of the stub-templates appear at the bottom of the article. So making only this stub-template wont be controversial. Thanks. Lara_bran 09:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ambox 

message: ...between this template and ?  (Other than the visual differences, of course.)  In what situations should I use this template or that one?  71.245.108.146 (talk) 04:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A question that has been bugging many of us at WP:WSS for some time. as such, see below... Grutness...wha? 01:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the difference... 

message: Hi, can the class "plainlinks" be changed to "plainlinksneverexpand", please?  It seems a little silly that a print version of an article displays the template as  "This section requires expansion (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Sectstub&action=edit§ion=2)."
Thanks, Smith609 Talk 12:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 15:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NEverexpand links 

message: Redirecting this template has created a lot of double redirects (see Template:Section-stub for instance). Can this be fixed? Kariteh (talk) 08:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double redirect