Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies/Archive 1

message: Once we get a list going I'll start working  --Kylehamilton 02:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that Category:LGBT stubs may be a place top start is you are looking for an article to expand. - Davodd 22:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We Need a List of Subjects

message: I've been getting really confused by the organization of the whole LGBT category (and its subcategories). I wanted to post something about us doing a review of how articles tend to be categorized and maybe do a little cleaning up (I, in no way, would consider doing something so widespread by myself), but I don't know where to post this on the project page. - Rugadh 23:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that the LGBT categorization scheme is a patchwork with no real logical hierarchy. - Davodd 02:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category Confusion 

message: Greetings!  Just wanted to direct everyone's attention to this article and event.  The Washington State Supreme Court will be handing down their ruling on the same-sex marriage ban in this US state tomorrow (Wednesday, July 26, 2006), so expect quite a few edits to that page and try to keep an eye on it, which I will do, but I'll be away from a computer for most of tomorrow--with the publicity that might come with this decision, there might be hefty vandalism (if people can find the page!  It took me a while to surf it out).  Thanks!  --Rkitko 05:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: POV notwithstanding (and I tried hard to not include my POV in those articles, but you might want to check me on it for subtle details), all I can say regarding the ruling is "damn."  Rkitko 19:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Same-sex marriage in Washington]] 

message: The article Homosexuality in ancient Greece has been proposed for deletion. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Homosexuality in ancient Greece. You may want to comment on the proposal or make any changes to the article that seem appropriate. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 08:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD [[Homosexuality in ancient Greece]] 

message: I resent that the Pederasty article has been associated with LGBT studies.  I resent seeing our flag associated with the practice of pederasty.  It is the same as associating the American flag as symbolic of American studies with race-based murders.  Pederasty is not part of the GLBT movement or our struggle for equal rights, represented by our rainbow flag.  I would like to know who decided that Pederasty should be included in this project, where there was consensus and how to contribute, because I certainly do not wish to see this association.  This is not a denial that there are GLBT pederasts, but it is a legitimate wish to not have this practice included as some how integral with our community. Enzedbrit 02:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto - forcefully! -- SatyrTN 02:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pederasty

message: I am a bit disappointed that not enough attention has been given here to animal homosexuality. I think it is an integral aspect of this topic, as humans are animals after all, and the subject has been part of the discussion since the ancient Greeks, with animals given as a paragon of what is and is not "natural." Now that the contention that animal sexuality excludes homosexuality has been conclusively refuted, the polemic has shifted and the animal model is again being used for political purposes by those who claim that it may well be natural but that does not make it good. That of course is besides the point, what is important for those of us who are interested in this topic being addressed honestly in the Wikipedia is that we see to it that those species where such behavior has been documented are represented as such, and in sufficient detail so as to . It seems to me that animal sexuality should not be politicized, that censorship of the topic is inherently POV, and that we need to pay attention to prevent that from happening since unfortunately this material often seems to go against what people intuitively accept as valid in animal articles - with the result that it is watered down, distorted or deleted. Haiduc 11:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal homosexuality 

message: I would like to add to this WikiProject but I am unsure how exactly to do that other than contributing. I am a graduate student and queer with a focus on butch-femme communities. I would like to help on that topic and others where I can be of assistance.--Mic 05:18, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep a close watch on Queer related articles and fact-check using your university's resources, I would say. CaveatLectorTalk 18:18, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joining and participation interest 

message: I just joined and I want to stick to areas that are easy for me to fact check.  Having graduated from a college a year ago I only have the internet as a readily available source.  I plan on working on fixing grammar and spelling errors and expanding some movie items.  Will this be enough? Or should I have a larger agenda?  It might help noting that I am rather new to editing and I don't want to be too big for my breeches. --Mr Vain 22:47, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome!  Grammar and spelling is a great way to start - and if you get interested in an article, feel free to get involved in researching and expanding :)  And don't worry about an agenda - the Queer one covers all of us... :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I just joined 

message: Hi, folks.  You may already know about this, but :Category:LGBT television series is up at CfD.  It was originally placed there as part of a proposed renaming, but has attracted a large number of "delete" votes.  I thought that some people here who might not normally keep track of CfD might be interested.  (I only came upon the CfD when someone questioned the category's inclusion in Torchwood.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:LGBT television series on CfD 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 23:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: Hi, I figure this might be related hopefully not seen as an advertisment or the sort.
Would it be ok to provide info regarding LGBT - actor, actress, artist, musician, writers, professionals or even famous historic figures and stuffs etc. As a way to educate or just to show that LGBT people are every where and comes in all size and shape, so to speak.
I saw a public program on KPBS call "In the Life" which shows a lot of documentry and LGBT people all over America about their coming out stories and issues also general LGBT issues. The last one I saw was this one gay man talking about how after 911, he wanted to help and serve in the army, so he joined in, however had to hide his gay identity, he talked about life in Iraq war front and how later the offical founded out that he's gay from a blog journal he posted and discharged him just like that. 
I think it's a great progrem surviving only from people's donation I believe but I'm not sure if it would be helpful to add to this LGBT project. They have a website www.inthelifetv.org if any one what to see if it is what this project is about and related to be add on here.Yajaec 18:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGBT related topics 

message: An LGBT barnstar has been proposed here. Thankyou Ouro. Other thoughts would be welcome. Dev920 (Please vote here) 21:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barnstar 

message: It gives me great pleasure to tell you that an article I wrote, James Robert Baker, has now been made a FA. If I am not mistaken, this is the first FA for the LGBT project group. My thanks to Dev for her support of the article through the candidacy process. Jeffpw 12:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Jeff! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I should point out that, if Jake Gyllenhaal ever gets round to coming out, I actually got the first unofficial one. :D Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Our first FA

message: I'm transgendered and I joined this wikiproject because it is supposed to working to improve LGBT content. That T stands for transgender.
I've spent almost all of the time since I joined considering removing myself from the project. I've also seriously considered tagging the project page  because of its systemic bias against transgendered people and issues. The content of the project page leaves me feeling more out of place than the world outside! What hope do we have of countering systemic bias in wikipedia articles when the project page itself is systemically biased against some of those that it seeks to represent? --AliceJMarkham 07:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, I'm not really sure what you mean. The only thing on the project page I can find is that could be considered biased against Transgender is the to-do list. Everything else specifically adds the T, where possible. Where do you feel discriminated aginst? And how can we fix that? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another approach is to assume that we are all unconsciously biased and one of the things we can do here is to cut through each other's biases. Please contribute as you see fit, leave emotions at the door. Regards, Haiduc 12:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transgender 

message: It was agreed above to go into article assessment. To this end, I have created the categories neccessary for automatic updating at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team: we now have a Category:LGBT articles by quality, Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/LGBT articles by quality, Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/LGBT articles by quality log, Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/LGBT articles by quality statistics, all of which you may peruse at your leisure. Although I suspect there is some forms of automation I have not yet discovered about this thing (like I swear there's an automatic process for stubs, but can't for the life of me find it), but it gives us a good starting point. As you may see in the chart below, we only have 104 articles tagged with our banner: we need to severely ramp that number up. The banner is  - either insert an appropriate rating of the article in class, or if you're unsure, just remove it. I'm going to create a separate assessment page and blatently steal some information from other Wikiprojects. Then we can get to work. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 19:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's looks like they're assessing by hand, but bulk tagging with AWB. Looks like we're going to have to do this all by hand. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Assessent page has been created at the frighteningly orginal Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Assessment. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How often does the statistics page refresh? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's supposed to refresh automatically every day at 3:00am UTC - but I'm generally running it myself (I just updated it) from here, because I can't wait :). Btw, MILHIST has over 26,000 articles tagged - I expect us to beat that. :D Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You still think love can beat war?! Haiduc 23:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 

message: Are there guidelines for when to add the WP:LGBT banner to articles?  I was scolded once for adding the WP:NH banner to too many articles, since I was Googling any article that had the words "New Hampshire" in it.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be safe to say that it it has an LGBT category on the main page, you can tag it. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: You might want to download AWB to help you tag if you just want to mass tag without assessing. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagging articles 

message: Argument going down at Template:LGBT sidebar - Matt Crypto and another editor insist the rainbow flag is POV and should not be included in the template; I say it's bollocks, because it's THE LGBT symbol. You may wish to give your thoughts. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: I have created a bisexuality template at Template:Bisexuality topics sidebar. Your thoughts would be welcome. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new template 

message: We've drawn in another 3 members since we began our kickstarting, which isn't bad. I'll create another newsletter next week to let everyone know about our new assessing scheme, and then send it out monthly, I think. I want to create a welcome template, but I'm not sure if we have enough stuff to talk about on it: what does everyone else think? Oh, and WP:COMICS runs a collaboration of the month rather than of the fortnight - do you think this might be better, given our small membership? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I used this invitation box (briefly).  Don't know if that will help as a place to start, but there ya go :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I will fiddle with that - unless of course, you want to create the template. I seem to be charging in and changing everything myself. If anyone wants to do anything themselves, please go ahead. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure - I'll do that. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome template — comments, please! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mind if I edit it a bit? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all!  Please feel free! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok then. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made a few minor changes. If everyone's cool with that, I think we should move it to the mainpage, as SatyrTN has done a fabulous job. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Collaboration of the month sounds like a good idea. Haiduc 16:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. How would you choose the articles? A voting system? Simple nomination by members? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Coin toss? Really, nominate and see what happens. Haiduc 23:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: K. Will set that one up soon. What would you like to be the first article? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The kitchen sink. I mean the Homosexuality article itself. Material needs to be spun off since it is way oversize - more than 100k last I looked. Basically we need to take entire sections, abstract them, and spin them off into new articles. Haiduc 01:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Maybe we should then do bisexuality and trangender. Ooh, three months covered already! :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Err...make that four months, Dev. The Lesbian article needs some major attention, too, at least as far as referencing goes. Anyway, I think the way we are approaching this is excellent. First, the broad, overarching articles, then the more esoteric ones. I'm more of a follower than a leader, so I'll leave the organizing to others. Just set up some sort of task list (preferably specific), and I'll start diligently working my way down the list. Jeffpw 13:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Our kickstarting so far 

message: This project has a main listing in two pages of the Project Directory, under WP:PROJDIR/H#Sociology and under WP:PROJDIR/S#Sexology and Sexuality. Generally, we prefer only one "main" entry, with the other one or more linked to it. Which entry would the members of this project prefer as being the "main" entry for this project? Badbilltucker 19:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... My opinion is in the Sexuality section.  Others? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Same. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It's a difficult one in some ways because transgendered people spend their entire lives trying to explain that it's nothing to do with sex, but for LGB folk, it is, isn't it? :) I guess the question is which one is relevant to all of us, and to me that would be sociology. --AliceJMarkham 02:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Acknowledging the disagreement above, it seems to me that the 3 to 1 vote indicates that sexuality seems to be the preferred choice. I would also note that "Gender Studies" falls under the same heading, so I hope it is realized that "sexuality" in the heading is at least intended to be seen in the broadest possible light. Also, that heading places the project closer to the above referenced "Gender Studies", which is probably the most closely related project we have out there. On the basis of the above, I will place the main heading there provisionally. If, in time, the members of the project decide to change the position of the "main" listing, they are free to do so. However, for the sake of the keeping the individual pages of the directory as short as possible, we will still request that it have only one "main" entry at that time as well. Badbilltucker 15:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of main entry in project directory 

message: Irene Dubois has been nominated for deletion, if any project members want to take a look and/or participate in the AfD discussion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:28, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irene Dubois 

message: New article: Sugar and Spice (drag queens) ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sugar and Spice