Talk:Graffiti/Archive 2

message: This link: Brooklyn Museum Exhibition was added to the article by the site owner.  In keeping with our guidelines could regular editors of this article check out the link and add it back if you think it appropriate.  Thanks. -- Siobhan Hansa 00:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  brooklynmuseum.org external link 

message: Tag (graffiti) redirects to here. Is there really no article about graffiti tags? I would imagine there would be a lot to say about them!
Kim Bruning 11:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  tag (graffiti) 

message: Does the last line in the United States Section of Government Responses seem biased to anyone? 
"Those who defend the application of graffiti to others' property have consistently failed to explain why they would not be upset if their own property, be it a car, clothing, I-pod, etc. were damaged by someone else." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VendettaCouncil (talk • contribs) 02:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased statement? 

message: I am quite disgusted that i am having an external link repeatedly removed. The link is to a blog on the legal war against graffiti, this NOT advertising OR self-promotion. I am an established journalist and have worked with and interviewed graffiti artists for over six years. My blog is new but is fast becoming very popular and has vital up to date information on the subject as well as interviews with the head of British Transport Police and THE most established and recognised writers in London and New York.
Meaowza (Meaowza 11:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you read the external links policy?  There are links to it on all of the warnings on your talk page.  Blogs are not typically considered to be verifiable sources, and adding a link to your own blog (five times, ignoring all warnings) is certainly self-promotion by any reasonable defition of the term. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blog Link 

message: It seems to me that the three pictures at the top of the "uses" section make the article seem a tad messy. I think it would be good if someone could rearrange the pictures or remove one of them to tidy it up a bit. Of course, it could be just me that thinks this, but I thought I'd mention it. 
Vsst 22:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures in "Uses" section 

message: Why is there no mention of graffiti in South American countries and the Caribbean? There is a very fine and rich tradition of graffiti in south and central America, most especially in Brazil, and it ought to be covered in this article. thanks Peter morrell 12:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  South American graffiti 

message: This image is not a Graffito itself, it is merely a picture of somebody undertaking in graffiti. The idea of 'computer   generated graffiti' is nonsense, The closest thing I can think of is 'online vandalism' which bears no relation to graffiti.
It is likely that this image was placed on the page by someone seeking a little online exposure. I think they've had their turn, it's a poor image anyway. I hope no one is if I take a little initiative and remove it. PeterPartyOn 02:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Computer Generated Graffito' 

message: I was thinking that if you do bad graffiti, it might be illegal to do that, because it could be against the law.--   PNiddy  Go!  0 03:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illegal Graffiti on the Wall? 

message: On the picture with lots of examples of graffitti i found it somewere else and think someone might have stolen it here's were i found if i'm wrong then sorry for the false alarm.  
Xor24 talk to me 22:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  COPYRIGHT VIOLATION 

message: I'm happy to create archives for some of the older threads on this talk page and configure User:MiszaBot to take care of archiving threads that are inactive after 45 days. Here's an example: Talk:Mass Effect. This OK with the regular contributers? cheers, --guyzero | talk 07:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do. There is way too much on this page. Key to the city 20:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only took me 24 days! cheers, --guyzero | talk 20:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk Page Archiving 

message: I liked Oarih's old idea about including a section on graffiti simulators (as in video games).  Several games could obviously fit under this section, but I am not sure how much coverage some of the very tangentially related games should have.  As far as I can see, video games with graffiti can be broken down like this:
*Games which feature graffiti (such as Marc Eckō's Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure, the Jet Set Radio series, Super Mario Sunshine, Bomb the World, and the Rakugaki Ōkoku series)
*Games which allow the player to produce graffiti (such as the Half-Life series, the Tony Hawk's series, The Urbz: Sims in the City, and Rolling)
*Games which contain depictions of graffiti (such as The Darkness, Double Dragon 3: The Rosetta Stone, NetHack, Samurai Champloo: Sidetracked, The World Ends With You, The Warriors, Just Cause, Portal, various examples of Virtual Graffiti, etc.)
*Games where "graffiti" is used as a synonym for "drawing" (such as Yahoo! Graffiti, Graffiti, etc.)
It seems to me that art work from current graffiti artists which reference video gaming could also be appropriate in this section (examples:  and ), and mention could also be made of the PSP graffiti ad campaign (eg. ref: ).
-Thibbs (talk) 23:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no objections I have added this information to the article.
-Thibbs (talk) 01:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video Game References 

message: It´d be nice if someone with the requisite knowledge could add a section with information about technical techniques.--Cadentsoul (talk) 08:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technique 

message: I think we should add a "photo gallery" section or the like to this page. It would help display the wider variety of graffiti styles. Tungsten92 (talk) 02:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: : "Graffiti (strictly, as singular, "graffito," from the Italian — "graffiti" being the plural) is graphics applied without authorization to publicly viewable surfaces." - If graffiti is plural shouldn't this say "Graffiti are graphics"
: "When done without the property owner's consent, graffiti are a form of vandalism and are punishable by law in most countries." - This contradicts the first sentence. If graffiti is "graphics applied without authorization" then surely all graffiti is a form of vandalism...
--
: Incorrect usage of grammar is acceptable when it is considered, in both formal and informal settings, to be normal. It would sound peculiar to many people to use the correction of "are," not "is". Valid point nonetheless. Tungsten92 (talk) 05:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph 

message: Sorry, I don't know how to add headers. But the Warriors doesn't depict in game graffiti.. you may also produce it. So perhaps it should be moved up?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.76.9.246 (talk) 22:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game graffiti 

message: Contributor 130.95.187.185, who has pedantically changed many instances of 'graffiti' to 'graffito' and vice versa, should be aware that when you change the name of an image (as in 'Image:Graffito politique de Pompei.jpg') it ceases to exist. Please change them back.   ♦ Jongleur100 ♦ talk 10:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of images 

message: Graffiti is global. Why is the usa dealt with in a different section from the rest of the world. have tagged as global.Peas & Luv (talk) 05:22, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is the usa dealt with in a different section from the rest of the world  It's not. No such section ever existed. There's a section about the historical connection to hip hop which is mostly about New York, because that is where that connection originated (though even this includes stuff on the spread of graffiti culture). Then there's a section on Global Developments. Then there's a global Government Responses section. I don't understand how you can object to coverage of the connection of graffiti to hip hop on the grounds that it is US-centric... 86.44.26.18 (talk) 21:35, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article needs completely rebuilding to take out the cultural bias towards graffiti as an element of hip hop culture, and concomitant US focus. Earthlyreason (talk) 10:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessive Prominence for US Graffiti 

message: I made a blog where I plan to publish photos of graffiti i make in different parts of the world (mostly Europe, though).
http://magicwallz.blogspot.com/
Regards,
Graffiti Collector  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Graffiticollector (talk • contribs) 17:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, but I doubt the article would benefit from an influx of images even to illustrate different styles in geographic or temporal terms; remembering that we are meant to be an encyclopedia, not an indiscriminate collection of information, and it surely would be preferable for qualified commentators to refer to these various manifestations such that those images would then become worthy of note here as aids to the educative process we are trying to achieve. Sorry if I seem aged and stuffy, but we *are* supposed to be providing an educational resource here. Rodhullandemu 00:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graffiti pics from different places 

message: There seems to be a lack of concrete evidence of graffiti as legitimate art. There is a section but I feel  this should be expanded upon. 
I plan on doing this, any help would be very much appreciated. Tjwinkelman 22:41, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graffiti Art 

message: We should have a criticism section.  This article reads too much like a free leftist weekly.  I hate the intrusion of graffiti, and I know there are published articles that agree.  Once I get some time I'll add this section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.102.197 (talk) 03:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a school of thought that criticism sections are inherently pushing a point of view; however, there seems to be ample commentary in the article as to the social (un)acceptability of graffiti, and I wouldn't expect to see Brian Sewell or his ilk commenting on the artistic merits of graffiti; certainly, artists such as Banksy have been praised for their imagination, but he is sui generis, in my view. The problem we have as an encyclopedia is that modern graffiti hasn't really attracted much academic attention. }Rodhullandemu 00:15, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism? 

message: Tags are not graffitis. I'm right, you're wrong. 85.4.245.68 (talk) 14:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How do we know of the distinction between "tags" and "graffiti?" Bus stop (talk) 14:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "Bus stop" asked a legitimate question that deserves answering rather than aggression: tag is one form of grafiti where the object is to identify yourself (a signature)--Corentinoger (talk) 17:53, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

text: TAGS ARE GRAFFITI! IT'S COMMON TERM FOR THOSE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ART FORM  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenewpropaganda (talk • contribs) 09:05, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

text: When I was a kid living in the city during the late 80's/early 90's, graffiti was known as both "graffiti" and "tagging" among my peers. Sure, you might relate "tagging" with sloppy name writing in black paint on the overpass or as a type of gang territory marker, but you cannot claim that it is not part of the art form simply because it lacks an appeal to you personally. In addition, "tagging" as I have described above IS, in fact, part of what began graffiti's modern history and is what eventually evolved into the massive art projects you're considering "graffiti" today. Plainly and simply, all tagging is graffiti, but not all graffiti is tagging. Ablomberg (talk) 02:48, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tags != Graffiti 

message: A Wikipedia entry exists for Fab Five Freddy. However, despite the mention of his name within the text of this page, no LINK exists due to a misspelling of the name. The entry is spelled, "Fab 5 Freddy", and should be spelled, "Fab Five Freddy". 
As I am not yet authorized to edit semi-protected pages, it would be much appreciated if someone who does have such access would; correct the misspelling (making sure to include the necessary link), and, if possible, delete this thread.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazziruss (talk • contribs) 16:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Edit 

message: Isn't out there any quotable, citable academic studies, research on the moral, legal and even psychological aspects of graffiti? As it is, this Wikipedia article seems to have been written by graffiti artists, thus it could be charged with promoting a particular POV. It appears that graffiti artists seem to bypass or completely ignore the morality issue of graffiti. On the other hand legal authorities tend to deal with it only in terms of it being a criminal act.
What is hard to comprehend for the casual reader of this article or the simple citizen confronted by graffiti is why it is necessary to destroy and deface other peoples' property to express artistic intentions. Is graffiti an art-form or just a form of social rebellion?
The greatest, most enduring art throughout history has been created by artists such as Leonardo DaVinci or Mozart or Picasso who worked within the system, within the existing social order. Even if they were revolutionary or even rebellious in their own time there is almost no example of an enduring artist who did not observe fundamental moral precepts such as "Thou shalt not steal!". Isn't misappropriating somebody else's wall without their consent to express your artistic intentions on it, in the best case or in the worst case,just expressing your psychopathic personality the equivalent of stealing?
Eravian (talk) 13:46, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moral and Legal Aspects of Graffiti 

message: There are indeed academic studies regarding the moral, legal, and psychological implications of graffiti. Such sources are readily available to those who would prefer to be informed. The book cited below offers an in depth analysis of all things aforementioned, without the coloration of predisposed judgment which you are so obviously unable to avoid. 
Ferrell, Jeff. Crimes Of Style: Urban Graffiti and the Politics of Criminality. Boston: Northeastern, 1996.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.56.121 (talk) 14:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions of documentation. 

message: Nozderboz (talk) 00:13, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: Think of a more neutral title for the section and find some references please. Other than that the section is fine as is. Spitfire19 (Talk) 00:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As a more neutral title I suggest "Offensive Graffiti". Also, as you can see in the source, I already included 1 reference. But as requested I updated the title and references, as well as one or another sentence. I hope it's okay as it is now. Nozderboz (talk) 02:41, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done Spitfire19 (Talk) 14:13, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for your help :) Nozderboz (talk) 22:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I was reading this, and shouldn't many names from :Category:American graffiti artists be capitalized - in particular for the early (70s) artists? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  23:27, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization of names 

message: Can you change the line  "Graffiti is used as a gang signal to mark territory or to serve as an indicator or "tag" for gang-related activity."  to "Graffiti CAN be used as a gang signal to mark territory or to serve as an indicator or "tag" for gang-related activity"
as graffiti is not usually used as a gang symbol in citys where gangs do not exist,these citys still have high volumes of graffiti.  
ChrisMosher (talk) 17:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: CTJF83 pride 17:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from ChrisMosher, 7 June 2010 

message: yeh2 dfa south africa
196.211.241.218 (talk) 12:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 196.211.241.218, 23 June 2010 

message: External Links: This site must be added
http://www.urbanal.org
Oozamca (talk) 23:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just another site of examples that doesn't add anything to the images we already have in the article. Please see our policy on external links. Rodhullandemu 23:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Oozamca, 5 July 2010 

message: This article is semi-protected, and even though it seems like I should be auto-confirmed (anyone know why not?), I can't edit it.  There is an uncapitalized 'north america' in the article. --Art begets life (talk) 14:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, I did it myself.  I can edit the article now. --Art begets life (talk) 14:52, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  'north america' should be capitalized 

message: Please add to section Modern Graffiti a picture of 4.625MHz waterfall in last few days. http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7315/winradhdxxx3.jpg
The blog writing about it the first time is http://uvb-76.blogspot.com/2010/09/probably-first-ever-in-history-graffiti.html .
Thank you  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prozherum (talk • contribs) 19:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from prozherum 

message: I wrote this article on a certain type of street graffiti for Rolling Stone magazine in 1995
The title is:
Mean Streaks -- Extreme Graffiti:
Xanax and dust 40 feet up, inside NYC subway tunnels, and f--king up the city 
The link is:
http://journalismworksproject.org/graffiti.html
It's been cited extensively for many years in the graffiti world and has been called a definitive, cult classic article (don't mean to boast).
I was wondering if the link could be added to this page.
Thanks very much
Kevin Heldman
KevinHeldman (talk) 18:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from KevinHeldman, 6 October 2010 

message: I was not satisfied with this article, because it does not explain what the most common kind of grafitti are about. Most grafitti that I see on walls and box cars are series of thick outlined letters that combine to words that have no meaning for me. I rarely have seen any grafitti that look like the images in this article. What I usually see looks like this:
This is a typical grafitto as it is found everywhere in the world. Some insider should explain what the large letters mean, why this style is so popular, and the signature at the bottom (with slurces, please). 
 Andreas  (T) 00:08, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article does not explain common grafitti 

message: Is the link to Big Art Mob appropriate?  It contains a large amount of "public art", which can include traditional statues and murals, not at all associated with graffiti.  I'm inclined to remove that link, but didn't want to act rashly without consensus. - Awaken lemon (talk) 23:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I think there should be a paragraph that states the difference from like tags and bombs then graffiti in general.  Just because a wall or building is tagged does not make it illegal because some companies and people enjoy the art and let young artist tag their property.  It creates a different environment which some companies use to their advantage.  For example the Burnside skatepark in Portland Oregon would not be the same without it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Big Spot (talk • contribs) 06:52, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal/Illegal 

message: THIS is not properly cited:
The 83 pieces of graffiti found at CIL IV, 4706-85 are evidence of the ability to read and write at levels of society where literacy might not be expected. The graffiti appear on a peristyle which was being remodeled at the time of the eruption of Vesuvius by the architect Crescens. The graffiti was left by both the foreman and his workers. The brothel at CIL VII, 12, 18-20 contains over 120 pieces of graffiti, some of which were the work of the prostitutes and their clients. The gladiatorial academy at CIL IV, 4397 was scrawled with graffiti left by the gladiator Celadus Crescens (Suspirium puellarum Celadus thraex: "Celadus the Thracian makes the girls sigh.")
This comes from the following chapter:
Franklin, James L. "Literacy and the Parietal Inscriptions of Pompeii." Literacy in the Roman World. Ann Arbor, MI: Journal of Roman Archaeology, 1991. 77-98.
Additionally, the editor used CIL improperly: CIL of course refers to the Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum, but the editor uses it first as a Pompeii address (whereas CIL IV refers to volume 4), then follows CIL with the Pompeii address of the brothel (VII.2.18-20), then uses the volume/entry no. again as a street address.
This needs to be REVISED and somebody years ago was DUMB.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.175.52.69 (talk) 20:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Ned who does not have an Account but knows his Stuff, 12/8/2010 

message: Graffiti is not only a way for people to express themselves as artist, it is also a way for gang members to communicate. They use walls of buildings and in alleys to communicate with other gang members or gangs by using symbols and markings that may not make sense to normal pedestrians. Those walls with the tags are like a newspaper for the hood. Each tag tells of what one member did or who they killed. They use it to brag or claim territory. Not only do other members or gangs understand these tags, but so do officers because they need to know what is going on in their streets.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kicks1523 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Style 

message: Graffiti is not only a way for people to express themselves as artist, it is also a way for gang members to communicate. They use walls of buildings and in alleys to communicate with other gang members or gangs by using symbols and markings that may not make sense to normal pedestrians. Those walls with the tags are like a newspaper for the hood. Each tag tells of what one member did or who they killed. They use it to brag or claim territory. Not only do other members or gangs understand these tags, but so do officers because they need to know what is going on in their streets. Kicks1523 (talk) 05:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Style 

message: Well bombing/ throw up's came around the late 1970 in New York, it was a transition from writing your tagger name and street you stayed at to just writing your name with a bigger and louder expression. Meaning adding more color and stretching your letter farther out. Also this style possibly came to be due to the crack epidemic that sprung up around this era and law enforcement was cracking down on those individuals who were standing around late at night assuming you were a drug dealer. So this increase in law enforcement possibly led taggers to being mistaken as drug dealers causing them to get a taste of the iron fist. So in responds graffiti writers changed up their style to get their fame as fast as possible by creating a quick outline of their name and filling it in with some color.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesse90220 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bombing 

message: 3.4 Global developments
==== 3.4.3 Spain ====
The native graffiti began in the capital of the country. Emerged in the early 80's in full "scene" in Madrid. . MUELLE (Spring) was the first to appear around the year 82 and then about 4 years began to emerge other indigenous artists. It ss a single movement not only in Europe but all over the world.
Disparagingly called "flecheros” (archers) that such tags or signatures originally had arrows, but many of these tags had no arrow so it is more correct to call “grosoristas” ( thicknesses). . The first tags appeared in a totally spontaneous way, without any reference to follow, the first who started to paint did not know that what they were doing was called "graffiti" and that was already made in other cities in Europe and the U.S..
The first one in Madrid was MUELLE (spring) and later were joined by a legion of followers as the Bleck (the rat), Rafita, Remebe, Juan Manuel, Max501, Glub, Josessa Punk ... and launched a competition to see who painted the riskier place and who bombed more. His pieces were not only his signature transform (fattened) with different colors in a firm much larger proportions.
. Were tags with an overwhelming personality, very calligraphic signatures very similar to a logo.
. They made his pieces in very risky as busy streets and avenues such as Gran Via street, was essential for them to be seen in all sites that were possible, were also the ones who created an "ethical code", a series of rules such as respect for the other "works", not paint in places of artistic and monumental wealth, not to paint in places that would cause an expenditure etc.
It is very important to note that the “grosoristas” (thickness), at least the vast majority of them did not have a single link with the hip-hop or rap, is more, many of them were heavis, punks, rockers ... or neither one thing nor the other. It's funny, but originally it did not come to Madrid graffiti imported from the U.S. or the rest of Europe. Were the autochthonous graffiti artists who started the whole movement without any connection to the outside, was a movement completely spontaneous, without external reference.
The first crews that emerged in Madrid were made by writers autochthonous.
It could be said that there were "two waves" of writers Madrid native style. First came the true pioneers of Graffiti in Madrid in the first third-half of the 80's, writers such as MUELLE, Bleck THE RAT, Josessa PUNK, PUNK JOJASS (ALIEN), FER, JYS, GLUB, TITO, TITO7 DK, Rafita, Satellite , Joselio, BOY, OME, JOSE KK, CHILE 88, Tifon etc ... and after those early 90's another group of writers in indigenous styles were taken over as SHAT2, COLD1, TALK, TURK, NAX, FIRE , WES, CHINESE 501, GORE, NANDO, SES, SUNE, whet, OMR, FLOWERS, LINK, GOSH, NET, NASTY, JUSTICIERO .... among others ... after this second wave, Madrid style almost became extinct.
This movement emerged in the early 80's and died out almost completely between 91-95 years, since nearly everyone left, giving way related to graffiti and hip-hop that had already been living a few years earlier with graffiti autochthonous we are talking about. Many thicknesses changed its signature and adopted the style of graffiti related to the hip-hop, possibly because it could be that this style would most likely plastic.
Still some thicknesses are still active. We can name among them Fosi, Fer, Marta, Shat2, Max501, JYS, Remebe, Talk, Glub, Tito7 dk ... and now witnessing the emergence of new phenomena such as the Iñakisur. 
< note: for more information you can visit the Blog about it at http:// grosoristas. wordpress.com>
Infinitismo (talk) 23:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Atmoz (talk) 14:28, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Infinitismo, 25 February 2011 

message: The native graffiti began in the capital of the country. Emerged in the early 80's in full "scene" in Madrid. . MUELLE (Spring) was the first to appear around the year 82 and then about 4 years began to emerge other indigenous artists. It ss a single movement not only in Europe but all over the world.
Disparagingly called "flecheros” (archers) that such tags or signatures originally had arrows, but many of these tags had no arrow so it is more correct to call “grosoristas” ( thicknesses). . The first tags appeared in a totally spontaneous way, without any reference to follow, the first who started to paint did not know that what they were doing was called "graffiti" and that was already made in other cities in Europe and the U.S..
The first one in Madrid was MUELLE (spring) and later were joined by a legion of followers as the Bleck (the rat), Rafita, Remebe, Juan Manuel, Max501, Glub, Josessa Punk ... and launched a competition to see who painted the riskier place and who bombed more. His pieces were not only his signature transform (fattened) with different colors in a firm much larger proportions.
. Were tags with an overwhelming personality, very calligraphic signatures very similar to a logo.
. They made his pieces in very risky as busy streets and avenues such as Gran Via street, was essential for them to be seen in all sites that were possible, were also the ones who created an "ethical code", a series of rules such as respect for the other "works", not paint in places of artistic and monumental wealth, not to paint in places that would cause an expenditure etc.
It is very important to note that the “grosoristas” (thickness), at least the vast majority of them did not have a single link with the hip-hop or rap, is more, many of them were heavis, punks, rockers ... or neither one thing nor the other. It's funny, but originally it did not come to Madrid graffiti imported from the U.S. or the rest of Europe. Were the autochthonous graffiti artists who started the whole movement without any connection to the outside, was a movement completely spontaneous, without external reference.
The first crews that emerged in Madrid were made by writers autochthonous.
It could be said that there were "two waves" of writers Madrid native style. First came the true pioneers of Graffiti in Madrid in the first third-half of the 80's, writers such as MUELLE, Bleck THE RAT, Josessa PUNK, PUNK JOJASS (ALIEN), FER, JYS, GLUB, TITO, TITO7 DK, Rafita, Satellite , Joselio, BOY, OME, JOSE KK, CHILE 88, Tifon etc ... and after those early 90's another group of writers in indigenous styles were taken over as SHAT2, COLD1, TALK, TURK, NAX, FIRE , WES, CHINESE 501, GORE, NANDO, SES, SUNE, whet, OMR, FLOWERS, LINK, GOSH, NET, NASTY, JUSTICIERO .... among others ... after this second wave, Madrid style almost became extinct.
This movement emerged in the early 80's and died out almost completely between 91-95 years, since nearly everyone left, giving way related to graffiti and hip-hop that had already been living a few years earlier with graffiti autochthonous we are talking about. Many thicknesses changed its signature and adopted the style of graffiti related to the hip-hop, possibly because it could be that this style would most likely plastic.
Still some thicknesses are still active. We can name among them Fosi, Fer, Marta, Shat2, Max501, JYS, Remebe, Talk, Glub, Tito7 dk ... and now witnessing the emergence of new phenomena such as the Iñakisur. 
< note: for more information you can visit the Blog about it at http:// grosoristas. wordpress.com>
Infinitismo (talk) 23:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Atmoz (talk) 14:28, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  3.4.3 Spain 

message: We found it very interesting to show people the photo of the very first graffiti shop in Russia which was opened in 1992. I consider this photo must be placed in "3.5 Methods and production"
: Done — Bility (talk) 19:01, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graffiti in Russia 

message: I have the following request: I would like to add a new paragraph of text to the subcategory "Uses" at the end of this layer. The reason for that is, that I regard this paragraph as very contributing and also as an important part of the use of graffiti, which is neglected in the article until now.
The paragraph is the following:''
=== Offensive graffiti ===
Graffiti can also be used as an offensive expression. However this form of graffiti is difficult to find in the most cases. The reason for that is, that it's mostly removed by the local authority (as ‘councils which
have adopted strategies of criminalization also strive to remove graffiti quickly’ ). Therefore, existing racist graffiti is mostly more subtle and at first sight not easily recognized as "racist". It can then only be understood if one knows the relevant "local code" (social, historical, political, temporal and spatial), which is seen as heteroglot and thus an 'unique set of conditions'.
:A spatial code could for example be, that there is a certain youth group in an area which is engaging heavily in racist activities. So, for residents (knowing the local code), a graffiti only containing the name or abbreviation of this gang is already a racist expression, reminding the offended people of their gang activities. Also a graffiti is in most cases the herald of more serious criminal activity. A person who doesn't know these gang activities would not be able to recognize the meaning of this graffiti. Also if a tag of this youth group or gang is placed on a building occupied by e.g. asylum-seekers it's racist character is even stronger.
Hence, the lack of obvious recist graffiti does not necessarily mean that there actually is none. By making the graffiti less explicit (as adapted to social and legal constraints ), these drawings are less likely to be removed but don't lose their threatening and offensive character. 
We are trying to compile a list of the most Famous Graffiti Artists worldwide. We need your help.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3D Cell Culture (talk • contribs) 19:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Nozderboz, 28 April 2010 

message: Graffiti can also be used as an offensive expression. However this form of graffiti is difficult to find in the most cases. The reason for that is, that it's mostly removed by the local authority (as ‘councils which
have adopted strategies of criminalization also strive to remove graffiti quickly’ ). Therefore, existing racist graffiti is mostly more subtle and at first sight not easily recognized as "racist". It can then only be understood if one knows the relevant "local code" (social, historical, political, temporal and spatial), which is seen as heteroglot and thus an 'unique set of conditions'.
:A spatial code could for example be, that there is a certain youth group in an area which is engaging heavily in racist activities. So, for residents (knowing the local code), a graffiti only containing the name or abbreviation of this gang is already a racist expression, reminding the offended people of their gang activities. Also a graffiti is in most cases the herald of more serious criminal activity. A person who doesn't know these gang activities would not be able to recognize the meaning of this graffiti. Also if a tag of this youth group or gang is placed on a building occupied by e.g. asylum-seekers it's racist character is even stronger.
Hence, the lack of obvious recist graffiti does not necessarily mean that there actually is none. By making the graffiti less explicit (as adapted to social and legal constraints ), these drawings are less likely to be removed but don't lose their threatening and offensive character. 
We are trying to compile a list of the most Famous Graffiti Artists worldwide. We need your help.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3D Cell Culture (talk • contribs) 19:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offensive graffiti 

message: 'I have the following request: I would like a line to be removes from section 7.1 concerning Asian graffiti. The second sentence is false: "Mao holds the record for the longest piece of graffiti, which contains 4000 characters criticising his teachers and the state of Chinese society." This is a lie that was spread by graffiti artist Banksy. It is not true and should be removed. Thank you."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfk256 (talk • contribs) 18:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from jfk256, 20 March 2011 

message: Italic textBold texthi im SEEO i have been writing up SEEO for 3 years now i am a very goodd artist i have not yet put videos or pics up on the net cause i dont have a camra when i do get a cama im goin to put millions of vids and turtiols for beginners...so heads up to the world cause there a places to go spray up...PEACE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.198.252 (talk) 13:04, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  SEEO 

message: Would it be possible to add this (french) link ? : http://nacre-graffiti.blogspot.com/
Thank you by advance. Lionel Dupuy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.30.183.37 (talk) 11:33, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  French link 

message: The references to MIA as a graffiti artist are overly gratuitous considering she isn't know for her painting and very few examples of her "art" are found online. I think the entire paragraph about her should be removed as it isn't in any way related to this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.118.170 (talk) 01:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The notables are more acceptable -Basstonic (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  reference to MIA 

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message: Daniel vincent morris lived in toronto canada  .he is in the canadian hall of fame and is one of the bset rappers for his age  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beacat101 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  daniel vincent morris 

message: There is a significant graffiti tradition in South America most especially in Brazil. Within Brazil, São Paulo is generally considered to be the current centre of inspiration for many graffiti artists worldwide.[24]
This is not proper, "most especially in Brazil." I think especially, without "most," works just fine. Also, it is incorrect to omit the comma that belongs between South America and "especially in Brazil." 
I don't mean to come off as smug, but this sentence really bothers me.
72.229.186.238 (talk) 02:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done --Jnorton7558 (talk) 03:09, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from , 6 October 2011 

message: The current definition is too broad. Note that, under the definition contained in the first sentence of the article, every street sign is "graffiti". Every trophy is "graffiti". Every memorial plaque is "graffiti". Every page of every copy of the Holy Bible, Torah, and Q'uran in the world is composed of graffiti. Think about it. Cmmmmm (talk) 21:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you're saying.  I've replaced the original uncited definition with a definition from here, which made a lot more sense than what my dead tree dictionary said.  Thanks and  Done. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 11:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from , 4 December 2011 

message: When  you write an history on a subject must include every key factor. For this subject the author was missing some key elements. That will be all.Donttellthetruth123 (talk) 01:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  It was lacking one quality, and that was the ussage of graffiti in gangs. 

message: This movie should not be missing in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti#Documentaries_and_films
Decription: Unlike U is a documentary that provides a unique insight into the trainwriting scene in Berlin, Germany
Link: http://www.unlike-u.com/
Borstenschorsch (talk) 14:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Unlike U doesn't exist, so linking to a Wikipedia page isn't possible. In addition, adding a link to the documentary's website would violate our external links guideline. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 05:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 25 February 2012 

message: Hello everyone, I'm Víctor from Spain and this is the first time I take part in this forum. In my opinion the article lacks some more external references as it could be a good way to learn from other sites and add those which appeared as more interesting. What's your opinion about it? Thanks in advance and regards.
Victormirallesf (talk) 14:31, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  More external links 

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thread_title:  File:Peace line gates.JPG Nominated for speedy Deletion 

message: The reference number 58 is missing it´s link
I found the text and author from where the citation is taken in this page http://www.hiphop-network.com/articles/graffitiarticles/perspectiveongraff.asp  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikant (talk • contribs) 00:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the note.  The source actually shows that the Wikipedia content was copied verbatim from the copyrighted source, which is not allowed per WP:COPYPASTE.  Accordingly I've removed the content and the link. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 11:56, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

message: I don't know how images are picked, but there are some nice graffiti images here. I took them myself today. :) Mohamed CJ (talk) 14:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: The lead says "public place" it's quoted from the OED which I have a copy of. But the exact same markings on private property would surely be described as graffiti too, like writing/images made on buildings, structures, vehicles or other surfaces of private residents or bussinesses. There are semi public/private place, toilet doors in night clubs can get defaced I am sure this would be described as graffiti. Also completely private areas, like if someone sprayed words on walls inside someones house, maybe whilst committing burglary, I would imagine this would still be described as graffiti no? Not even mentioning non criminal art, like a teenager decorating his bedroom by spraying words and pictures over the walls. Source/Reference? I can't quote the OED obviously but I'm sure published material such as news papers describing crimes would call this graffiti. Carlwev (talk) 21:47, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graffiti to private property? 

message: "graffiti" Is misspelled somewhere. To find it, just search for "grafitti"
Rogierownage (talk) 14:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done - Thanks! --ElHef (Meep?) 14:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 21 May 2013 

message: I thought I would mention that ironically in an article marked for lacking citations, I found about eight <ref> tags in a small paragraph, and they were relatively redundant. I fixed it, the section being here. impinball (talk) 02:25, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good edit. I have found references breaking up sentences and paragraphs unnecessarily and being needlessly repeated in many articles. Unless contentious individual facts need explicit support refs can go at the end of sentences or paragraphs they support. I appreciate your cleanup and hope you bring your editorial skills to other articles. - - MrBill3 (talk) 03:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed a sea of blue (too many <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tags) 

message: Graffiti is an art, style which are drawings on the wall. Though on the other case, Tagging is writings on the wall.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.56.68.183 (talk) 17:39, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2014 

message: Add to section 9 Documentaries and films:
* Sprayed Conflict (1994), a documentary about graffiti and youth culture in Australia, focusing on a 23-year-old graffiti writer Duel.
1above (talk) 06:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —  (e • t • c) 23:50, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Vimeo is not considered a reliable source. —  (e • t • c) 13:11, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A link to the documentary on Vimeo is still not considered a reliable source. —  (e • t • c) 20:37, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Not done: According to the page's protection level and your user rights, you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. —cyberpower ChatOnline 11:10, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2014 

message: 125.163.84.119 (talk) 14:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 15:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2014 

message: Please add a new section of "controversy" because this entry doesn't mentioned about how graffti is under a debate. And such content is good to be put before the section of government response.
The content is from a reliable source:
McAuliffe, Cameron, and Kurt Iveson. 2011. “Art and Crime (and Other Things Besides … ): Conceptualising Graffiti in the City: Conceptualising Graffiti in the City.” Geography Compass 5(3): 128–43.
The content is here:
1. Those who assert that graffiti is crime, pure and simple, can point to the fact that
graffiti is frequently written without permission and is against the law. In making this
point, they are right. But what kind of crime is graffiti, and what is at stake in its criminalisation?
The framing of graffiti as crime is based upon a particular understanding of its
relation to the moral and legal order of place – this is what geographer Tim Cresswell
(1992) has called the ‘crucial where of graffiti’. Cresswell differentiates between the form
and process of graffiti, asking whether graffiti is still graffiti if it is taken from its illegal
context on the walls of the city and placed in a gallery. In seeking to justify the link
between graffiti and criminality, politicians and media commentators frequently draw
upon the so-called ‘broken windows’ theory of urban disorder and crime. In its most
basic form, the broken windows theory states that if a window in a building is broken
and is left unrepaired, all the rest of the windows will soon be broken; that by breaking
the codes of order we invite further disorder to occur. Wilson and Kelling (1982), drawing
on Glazer’s (1979) earlier article on the social effects of graffiti on the New York
subway, apply the broken windows theory to graffiti, noting that the presence of graffiti
represents unresolved disorder that sends the message that nobody cares, encouragingfurther erosion of community values and expectations. Here, the apparently minor crime
of graffiti is cast as a transgressive invasion into the normative patterns of urban living
which will have pernicious effects if it is left unchecked.
2.On the other side of the debate, those who maintain that ‘graffiti is art’ tend to focus
precisely on the issues of content and style which advocates of the ‘graffiti is crime’ position
want to avoid. In making their case for the aesthetic qualities of graffiti as art, some
have pointed to the fact that graffiti-style works are hung in art galleries, and that the
graffiti-writing scene has spawned famous artists such as Keith Haring and Jean-Michel
Basquiat. Sometimes, the assertion that graffiti is ‘art’ has been translated into alternative
policies, such as the provision of ‘legal walls’ on which graffiti can be written with permission.
These tolerated legal sites are designed to provide opportunities for engagement
with writers and to facilitate the diversion of young people ‘at risk’ of sliding into more
serious crime, as well as, importantly, limiting the urban presence of graffiti to particular
sites. Legal walls present opportunities for writers to emerge from the cover of darkness,
and to ‘go legit" . For writers moving away from deviant careers or wishing
to pursue legitimate creative careers, the legal wall becomes a site of recognition, materialising
the tension between public art and property crime (Halsey and Pederick 2010).
Qishaocharles (talk) 03:45, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: According to the page's protection level and your user rights, you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Sam Sing! 22:07, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2014 

message: Please add a wikilink to the page on the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Criminology in the citation to that journal.  (Halsey, M.; Young, A. (2002). "The Meanings of Graffiti and Municipal Administration". Australian and New Zealand Journal of Criminology 35 (2): 165–86. doi:10.1375/acri.35.2.165)  --110.20.234.69 (talk) 02:02, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: — SamX‧☎‧✎‧S 18:20, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request - ANZ Journal of Criminology 

message: they are  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.53.34 (talk) 00:17, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  delete: "stickers and stencils are not considered graffiti" 

message: I've set up a number of image galleries, to help organize the various images that were semi-haphazardly stuffed into the article. Please do not add images next to the article text, unless the image is directly illustrating a specific point made in the text. Generic example images should be placed in the appropriate gallery. Now that the structure of the article is more visible, the partial duplication and gaps in content can be seen, and corrected over time.  Reify-tech (talk) 21:01, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page layout and article cleanup 

message: 70.120.234.49 (talk) 22:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Stickee (talk) 23:14, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2015 

message: § Offensive graffiti has two illustrations, one of which is a (nuclear disarmament) peace symbol spray-painted onto a "ONE WAY" sign. There is no reason to consider the peace symbol a gang symbol or racist expression, or in any other way offensive. Just being spray-painted illegally onto a traffic sign does not make it a territory marker. I would like to remove this image from that section. To discuss this, please  me. -- Thnidu (talk) 15:34, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Maybe you could simply move the peace symbol photo up the page to the lengthy 'Political graffiti' section. Sionk (talk) 17:59, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  It looks like  has already done it :-) in their overall picture cleanup. I've thanked them. --Thnidu (talk) 03:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peace symbol "offensive"?