Talk:There's Got to Be a Way

message: I've fully protected the article for three days in order to prevent further edit warring and as an alternative to handing out blocks. Please hammer out some consensus for the appropriate version here using the available tools in the content dispute toolbox.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots  21:37, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you  for injecting. I think it is actually resolved now, although it took using the country lanes to get there instead of the motorway. Page protection is probably the best course for the time being. Shame, it could have been avoided.  — Calvin999  21:39, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

text: I think we've finally resolved the issue at hand, that I will leave Calvin to do as he pleases with the rest of the article as it is now in a good state for once to my satisfaction and a desired result. Article protection should've been implemented much sooner, for better mediation prior to the earlier editing dispute concluding on ANI. It is actually a little too late for that now, as there will be little to no editing activity outside of the above "user" now that some critical information has been properly restored as I saw fit. User: Calvin999 did not understand that Carey signed her contract in December 1988 and thus the period temporarily given by him of 1989-1990 without a verifiable source could not be considered accurate going on his incorrect conviction of just how,"She worked with Ric Wake after she signed, so it was between 1989-1990", when 1988 also could've applied and rendered that insufficient. Having done better research on this matter, I originally discovered February 1990 as a specific recording date and then confirmed it once again ending this issue altogether. I am not sure why he believes (as said at ANI) that anyone said Carey was signed in December 1989, when so much evidence is contrary to that. I do hope none of the other articles are changed to reflect that she was instead signed in 1989, as it would be glaringly incorrect of course. I mention this so as to be certain, so I do not come back months later and find the cited information omitted on his sole discretion. There is very much a case of WP:OWN at hand here, which I want to make sure other editors do not go through the same issue with User: Calvin999 nor anyone that wants to micromanage an article by swatting other users away (only to be proven wrong).--Carmaker1 (talk) 00:09, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your insolence is beyond belief. "I will leave Calvin to do as he pleases with the rest of the article as it is now in a good state for once to my satisfaction and a desired result" - The article was a mess prior to October 2015, when I completely re-wrote it, nominated for GAN and it was approved; it was in a "good state" prior to your messing about the other day. Article protection isn't really necessary for something as simply as what month and year a song was recorded in, but you made it necessary by your behaviour. You can't argue against it, it's there by your hand in the revision history: your first two reverts changed the time of recording without a source, and then the following two reverts you added a unreliable one. If you had changed it originally to the American Radio History source citing Billboard, or wrote it on this talk page, or come t mine, this would have all been avoided, but you took another route of 'Who on earth changed this from 7 seven years, he's an idiot' BS. There was "little to no editing" for the previous 18 months because it's a GA and it's a minor article, what are you on about? It simply requires maintaining from the odd IP here and there. She signed a contract in Dec 1988, I never said Dec 1989 so I don't see  why you keep fabricating that, I said the album was recorded between 1989 and right up until it's release in 1990, so it wasn't wrong to include as such. Now, you have finally provided a source that backs up February 1990, though why you sat on it for so long and deliberately caused problems I do not know. Recording dates in the future will be changed or amended as and when it is appropriate to do so, when there is not a source or the source cannot be verified. If you can, of course, provide a reliable quicker than you did so on this occasion and without malice and actually be helpful, then there shouldn't be any issues. You say about OWN, but you're the one telling me not to edit this article or change other dates. You also removed my warnings on your user talk, as you are entitled to do so, saying it's spam and you will report me for harassment, so what do you call your misuse of a warning template on my user talk? Warning me for replying to the ANI thread that you reported me on is misuse of warning templates, as I have the right of reply. Talk about do as I say, not as I do. I don't see how I was proved wrong when you constantly added unsourced info and unreliable source, I said if you could provide a reliable source then that's fine, but you didn't want to comply. Feel free to reply here but don't bank on curiosity killing the cat, it wouldn't be worth me wasting a life on such a small issue.  — Calvin999  08:37, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

text: The content of your later edit summaries and text on the ANI page justified a warning template, so pretending otherwise will not obscure that. You are deliberately edit warring, when trying to directly alter or remove cited submissions by other users, when your replacement information wasn't even 100% correct nor even cited with concrete proof. You are not the person that solely decides what can and cannot be added to an article, as when that occurs, WP: OWN can become a factor. We are not gatekeepers for who can/cannot edit an article. I can and will definitely suggest that if I provide valid cited information, anything that tampers with my valid submission and doesn't help to expand on it (correcting formatting), can and will be reported as vandalism or justify a warning. Good on you though for putting it in proper citation prose, without attempting to erase it, as that would be disruptive editing or spiteful vandalism.--Carmaker1 (talk) 17:10, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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