Talk:2008 Iran–United States naval dispute

message: Seems to be a few who want to delete any historical context on this article. As there has been considerable tension between the two countries and naval attacks over the last twenty-five years which have resulted in the sinking of several ships and the downing of a civilian airliner, why do some not want this mentioned?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Herne nz (talk • contribs) 13 January 2008, 06:09
:I don't know much about the historical context. If such incidents occurred, and they have been mentioned in news or other articles about the naval dispute, they should be added. If they are not mentioned in these articles, we shouldn't include it ourselves, as it would constitute OR - because we then say that these events are related. So please go ahead if you think you have the sources that connect these incidents, and do it a NPOV way :) Sijo Ripa (talk) 10:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think some of what you are looking for is at United States-Iran relations.  This entry has a narrow focus on the recent naval incidents in the Strait of Hormuz.  Pugget (talk) 11:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical context

message: Against my better judgment, I decided to edit this page, here are some of my edits:
*Restored what the Iranian Revolutionary Guard said per the BBC, "Iran says US video was fabricated" , from dubbed (which does not appear in the article) to the exact BBC quote.  
*Added fact tags to the following commentary: Early U.S. reports indicated that because of the Iranian boats continued to circle the U.S. warships and had been seen to drop several packages into the water, the U.S. ships had no choice but to take the threats seriously and maintain a defensive posture.    The other radio communications between the coalition ships and the Iranians do not match those in the American video, suggesting that the Iranian video is from a different point in the encounter than the U.S. video. This was confirmed when the U.S. released the full 36 minute video of the incident.The "no choice" statement is particularly troublesome. Who in the US military said this? There is only one and only one choice that the US had? If someone could find a source to this statement please.
*I replaced the factually erroneous: "The U.S. ships were preparing to fire warning shots when the Iranians retreated.  Several sources have claimed that the U.S. ships were only moments away from firing when the small crafts moved away, but this has not been confirmed."With an actual BBC quote "The US Pentagon says the American ships were about to open fire when the Iranian boats withdrew.".
*I removed "The  threatening message could not be tied to the Iranian patrol boats, and may have come from another vessel or the shore a few miles away." from the first paragraph, which is discussed in detail in the next few paragraphs. For continuity and clarity, the first paragraph should probably only mention the incident itself, then later paragraphs can explain new developments.
Trav (talk) 11:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edits all look great to me.  Cheers, Pugget (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you so much, I was really hesitant to edit wikipedia again. I have moved around a lot more info, removing repeated sentences, and added a little bit myself.  I still am really confused about the "spliced" allegation, and I thought it was maybe leftist propaganda, but I have found 
alot of sources, so I am not sure now what to think. But since it is covered so much in the media, I figured one sentence about this would be appropriate. Trav (talk) 12:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Contributions

message: These inconsistencies have given rise to comparisons with the Gulf of Tonkin Incident during the Vietnam War which was used by Lyndon Johnson to provide a casus belli for escalating the conflict. Hari, Johann  Independent
The reference is not valid, check link and as I was unable to find a link between the gulf of tonkin incident and the subject of this pageJacob805 (talk) 10:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: removal of historical context

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