Talk:Manila Light Rail Transit System

message: Are there any shots of the interior of the trains?  Other transit FAs like MTR included such photos. --Madchester 03:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None that I'm aware of.  Since there's a photo ban in effect, I might have to use my cell phone to take a picture of the train interior.  Well, that, contributions, or a fair use photo.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 12:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Interior of trains

message: I've been leisurely reading LRT station articles and I've corrected some of them:
# Rizal Avenue Extension starts at Monumento and ends at Rizal Ave. cor. Jose Abad Santos Ave.
# Rizal Avenue ends at Recto Avenue when Atienza blocked the street (lol).
# The track continues at the street formerly known as Rizal Avenue now known as a pedestrian park up to the Pasig River.
# The track then follows A. Villegas, before it crosses the street to Taft Ave. before its intersection with Ayala Blvd.
After that I dunno. I know Taft extends all the way into EDSA. I dunno where it ends. --Howard the Duck 04:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm correct, it ends at Redemptorist Road.  Check this map image of Baclaran LRT Station.  --Sky Harbor 21:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dunno about that, since it came from the LRT website, the same source of the Blumentritt-Tayuman map. --Howard the Duck 14:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track 

message: I'd imagine the yellow line is narrower. The trains at the purple line are not as narrow as those of the yellow line. --Howard the Duck 14:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They're the same gauge, but we have to consider that the trains on LRT-1 are light rail trains, while the trains on MRT-2 are heavy rail metro trains.  --Sky Harbor 03:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the chairs on the yellow line are wider. --Howard the Duck 07:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you'll look at the gap between the platforms on the stations, the Purple Line has a larger gap due to having larger trains. The Yellow Line on the other hand, has a smaller gap compared to its purple counterpart so it's limited to using narrower trains. --Mithril Cloud 03:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So its possible to have the same gauge despite having different widths of the trains? --Howard the Duck 10:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably. I think the trains from other countries using the standard gauge are even wider than the Purple line rolling stock. --Mithril Cloud 12:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I get it now, hehehe. --Howard the Duck 12:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gauge 

message: Somebody has deleted the original map of this network. A new one is needed. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 21:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Network map needed 

message: (Imported from the MRT talkpage)
*http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/jan/16/yehey/business/20070116bus6.html
With that said, the LRT's the one going to get extended, not the MRT. How about including the expansion update to the article? -- Mithril Cloud 10:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To rekindle this old discussion, I find it quite ludicrous that it will be the LRT and not the MRT that they are extending to North Avenue (Monumento for the MRT).  I still find it more logical technology-wise that the MRT should be extended.  But, that's what the government wants anyway.  I'll find a way to add it in, partly because many media sources are conflicting over the issue of which is getting extended.  --Sky Harbor 13:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future expansion 

message: You have not mentioned in the article whether it is possible to load bicycles on board. Amir bike (talk) 12:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That information is not available.  I know they're not allowed on the MRT because the proportions of a bike are too big for the train (maximum allowed size for baggage is 3 feet x 3 feet), but I'm not so sure about the LRT.  I'll confirm this.  --Sky Harbor 02:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bikes on board 

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message: Wanted to ask what help might be useful.  Not sure you've listed this source yet:   Manila Light Rail Extension, Philippines.  Might see what else I can contribute. Lambanog (talk) 01:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm spinning the table off into another article.  I will be keeping though important events, like the birth of Lea Aquino Ababa's baby, the Rizal Day bombings and a few other notable events that we could find.  It will take a lot of effort to maintain this article in FA, let alone get it back to FA if it gets demoted. --Sky Harbor (talk) 16:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest I'm not sure your last edit to the lead improved it. Of course I was the one who changed it from the earlier version so I'm partial.  I see a couple of things that might be changed from the one I worked on but I still prefer it.  Could you explain what the concerns with it were? Lambanog (talk) 17:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead was condensed in order to make it less wordy while still able to get the gist of the article across (actually, I was about to save it but it got caught in an edit conflict).  However, the lead I believe is lacking, and it can still use expansion.  Overall concerns with respect to the article can be found at the FAR. --Sky Harbor (talk) 17:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A passing comment: strictly speaking I don't think the birth of a baby on the line is notable. Lambanog (talk) 05:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is when it is the first such incident on the LRT.  Notable events deserve mention on the main article, while everything else should be spun off. --Sky Harbor (talk) 16:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sky Harbor, since you seem to have a particular interest in these rail articles, I'm wondering if you've visited the Meralco Museum in Pasig City?  Maybe you'd like to verify attribution and take some pictures....   — Lambanog (talk) 03:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Since you are probably more familiar with the sources, I'd like to draw your attention to the need for a source regarding the Inquirer Libre information and also clarification as to what stations have or don't have them.  It's currently vaguely worded.  Also need a source for photography information.  How did photography contribute to the Rizal Day bombings? Lambanog (talk) 11:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Common (unpublished) knowledge on the matter is that the LRTA (and the MRTC) are afraid that a terrorist or some other criminal could be taking pictures to plan attacks on the LRT.  It's actually very ludicrous, and in practice, the LRTA began relaxing restrictions.  Information on the Inquirer Libre is available on their website (http://www.libre.com.ph) or on the LRTA website.  Take note though: the latter is not updated. (By the way, your tranvia picture can be considered PD) --Sky Harbor (talk) 13:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

text: The best example that I can think of is the BTS Skytrain route map example, though you lose geographical accuracy as a result. In addition, the segment between Carriedo and Central Terminal should indicate that it crosses the Pasig River on a bridge. Blumentritt should also indicate that it is an interchange with the PNR. --Sky Harbor (talk) 00:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Was wondering if something along the lines of the O Train map could be done.  On the other hand what is happening with TheCoffee's LRT MRT map?  I updated Matthewprc's MetroManilaComplete.JPG but it really needs to be replaced with something cleaner. I might do something with that, but I'm still familiarizing myself with the features of the free graphic software I downloaded. Lambanog (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Some of the station names don't correspond with their respective articles.  Quirino, Central, GMA-Kamuning, Santolan-Annapolis and Boni Avenue should respectively be Quirino Avenue, Central Terminal, Kamuning, Santolan and Boni.  An SRTS version of this map (which would include Southrail) would work nicely as well. --Sky Harbor (talk) 03:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is an updated version with the Metro Manila Commuter Express segment included. -- mithrilcloud 05:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think EDSA PNR station should be slightly closer to Magallanes MRT station (they're not that far apart) and Santa Mesa PNR station a bit farther away from Pureza station.  Other than that, both maps are fine, and the SRTS map should make its appearance at the SRTS page within the day. --Sky Harbor (talk) 05:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated the map with the revisions mentioned. -- mithrilcloud 17:01, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I also also created this to give an overview of the position of the various lines.  Tell me if it can be used of if there are improvements that will help. Also I read the extension to Cavite is being dropped.... Lambanog (talk) 06:29, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What help do you need? 

message: I'm thinking the photography comments should be removed.  I also think information on the female only coaches should be added.  Lambanog (talk) 11:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The captions should not be removed, as they give important context into the pictures.  The images are not purely decorative. --Sky Harbor (talk) 10:33, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Am referring to the stated photography policy in the article.  Sorry for not being clear. Lambanog (talk) 11:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible changes 

message: I've been looking up sources and have found that a lot of papers tend to cite the JICA funded Metro Manila Urban Transportation Integration Study (MMUTIS).  I cannot seem to find it anywhere but would think that a downloadable viewable source should be available somewhere.  Could anyone help look it up and find a link to a copy? Lambanog (talk) 11:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Have researched further and found it is not freely available at least without contacting NCTS first. Lambanog (talk) 04:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: From the most recent press reports I've seen, it seems construction of a Malvar station on the north loop did not push through.  Any further word if that plan is permanently shelved?  If so the diagrams we've created will need to be changed. Lambanog (talk) 09:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Carriedo and Central are both bi-level. If I remember right, only Baclaran, Central, and Monumento are designated as terminal stations. --mithrilcloud 17:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

text: That information you got from LRTA pertains to the second generation fleet. The Capacity Expansion Project Phase 1 involved the acquisition of the 2G fleet. --mithrilcloud 17:14, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The name of the article would seem to suggest that, but if one looks at the specs, they seem to match the Kinki Sharyo railcars.  The dimensions are the same.  So are the number of axles and bogies, doors per side, articulation, and carbody shell.  That would seem to suggest the capacity should be similar.  It's unclear when the webpage was created but there's the possibility and it's conceivable the info was updated to account for the Kinki Sharyo cars. That's why I do not want to stray from the exact naming given by the source.  If you are aware of another reliable source that makes the difference between the 2G Adtranz and 3G Kinki Sharyo trains plain please put it here or include in the article.  I cannot seem to find sources for the Adtranz railcars.  Thank you.  Lambanog (talk) 05:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Check this archived page from archive.org. It shows that the page was never changed since its creation back in 2003. --mithrilcloud 14:14, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted. I will change it back to your more specific description. Lambanog (talk) 07:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscellaneous 

message: Moving section here per reviewer concerns and to make references section clean up easier. Lambanog (talk) 12:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incidents and accidents section 

message: Moving or storing some pictures here.  Lambanog (talk) 02:55, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The alignment of the Orange Line relative to the Purple Line is wrong again. --Sky Harbor (talk) 01:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. --mithrilcloud 04:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Save for a little problem with the ñ in España and the position of Santa Mesa (it should reflect it being north of the Pasig River), the map looks okay. --Sky Harbor (talk) 09:11, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed again. --mithrilcloud 11:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Hi i am a new editor here in the whole SRTS system I am editing the SRTS map to make it more accurate but it seems that wikipedia thinks its wrong but in fact it is right and it is the info given at the main page of the lines which are PNR,PNR-NLRC, LRTA, MRTC and ULRTC.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeromesandilanico (talk • contribs) 10:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome Jeromesandilanico.  I am sorry but I do not understand what you are trying to say when you refer to "SRTS map" and what you mean by "Wikipedia thinks it is wrong".  Are you referring to "File:SRTS Full Map Mar-2010 MC.png"?  Are you talking about something happening here on English Wikipedia or are you talking about something on Wikipedia Commons? Lambanog (talk) 15:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If I may add my piece: Mithril Cloud's map does not reflect the opening of Roosevelt station.  I notice that the map was updated, though using the wrong font.  I'll try correcting that since I have the correct font, or better yet I'll ask MC to do it. --Sky Harbor (talk) 03:44, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I have it ready. I'm just contemplating on whether to retain the SRTS name or turn it into a generic "Metro Manila Rail Transport" map. --mithrilcloud 11:49, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless the Aquino administration says otherwise, keep the name.  In addition, if you want, I can give you a supplementary DIN 1451 font which properly renders ñ.  You can use it in conjunction with the standard DIN 1451 for proper rendering of the text. --Sky Harbor (talk) 06:05, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I reread the comment again, and I can definitely say this: the regular LRT/MRT/PNR editors on Wikipedia do not think that Jeromesandilanico's contributions are wrong, because technically no information is wrong unless it is proven to be complete bollocks (a.k.a. patently false).  However, the information presented on the SRTS' "expansion" is not verifiable: as it is, there are only three canonical sources by which the SRTS can even be verified: the first is the SRTS page on the website of the LRTA, the second are those SRTS maps which are found inside LRT-1 and MRT-2 trains, and the third is the Flash Pass brochure/application form which is distributed at major MRT stations.  With respect to all other sources (websites of the MRT, PNR, Northrail and Universal LRT), no SRTS information is provided, and it is unknown whether or not there really is "expansion" save for MRT-7 (new lines are always included).  Now until the DOTC says otherwise, or if the President goes so far as to scrap this Gloria-era project, we can't really say whether or not the SRTS was really "expanded", and as such we're better off erring on the side of caution over propagating information that can be proven false. --Sky Harbor (talk) 11:09, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SRTS update 

message: I'm not sure about the El Folklore Filipino reference.  I took a look at a copy and could not find the information attributed to it.  It should have an exact page number.  Can someone else take a look and verify its contents? Lambanog (talk) 10:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Folklore Filipino 

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message: Do we have any capable editors here who can redraw our Metro Manila Mass Transit System Network map? I was trying to look for the old map's creator but it looks like the person has retired from editing in Wikipedia. We need a map that would intergrate the new MRT-7 and LRT-6 proposals and also update the colors, that have been adopted since 2012.
* LRT-1: from Yellow to 
* LRT-2: from Purple to 
* MRT-3: from Blue to 
* MRT-7: from Light Grey (in the old map) to 
* PNR Metro Commuter remains  though
* As for LRT-6, I believe it hasn't been designated its own color name, but I guess we can create a shade of green for it being an extension of LRT-1 ( perhaps or the temporary )?
Btw, these new colors for the existing LRT-1, LRT-2 and MRT-3 are the ones being used on those Beep (smart card) which will be rolled out very soon, so we really need to get this map updated as soon as possibe. 
Pinging , , , , , , , , .
Appreciate you guys's help.--RioHondo (talk) 07:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  New map needed 

message: Since July 2015, Beep cards are used in Line 2, and since September 20, in Line 1. Can somebody help me about editing the ticketing section to include Beep cards? SuperArticleGuy (talk) 09:23, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beep cards 

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message: There have been a lot of developments in Manila mass transit for the past 2-3 years, including the award for the contract of Manila LRT Line 1 which transferred its operations and maintenance to a private entity (Light Rail Manila Corp.) in 2015, thereby leaving Light Rail Transit Authority with just the Line 2 (which i believe would also be privatised in the near future). The other lines are also run by private companies, like the Metro Rail Transit Corporation for Manila MRT Line 3 and Universal LRT Corp for Manila MRT Line 7. Considering our mass transit lines are now privately and individually operated and maintained, and are in fact their own individual "systems," i believe the article either needs to be renamed to something that talks about the Manila Mass Transit Network concept discussed in the Metro Manila Dream Plan about all the different rail lines forming an urban rail network for Mega Manila1 or merged to Light Rail Transit Authority, the company that used to operate both LRT 1 and 2. Cos the LRTs being handled by two different entities now surely can't form a single "System". Let me know what you guys think.--RioHondo (talk) 04:28, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. There is still a "Manila LRT System". Although the operations of the Manila LRT Line 1 was transferred to LRMC by virtue of contract for 32 years, the LRTA still remains as the owner of the system. By the end of the period of the contract, the operations of Line will be returned to the LRTA. ERAMnc 14:53, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

text: I tend to agree with RioHondo; it seems like every line will be operated by different companies, and not many of them want their train to be called "light rail". In the short time that I've been here at Wikipedia, I've also noticed editors trying to avoid the use of "LRT" or "MRT", they'd use "Line" instead. I think there should be consensus on what we really want to call the mass transit system in Metro Manila, even though it was pioneered by the government agency called Light Rail Transit Authority. I would rather have the government just regulate the system and leave operation and maintenance to these companies. --Miles2north (talk) 05:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

text: I think the best way to go for this is to just merely drop the LRT/MRT moniker altogether and utilize Line+number instead so as to futureproof articles. Regardless if its LRT/MRT/Subway/etc it would harmonize it into a cohesive structure similar to how articles from other railway systems in the country work. This is also following official DOTr documents wherein even PNR GM Jun Magno states that the government prefers the Line+# format as opposed to color or LRT/MRT format. Korean Rail Fan 05:57, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Agree. How about petitioning the agency in charge of regulating mass transit to change from LRTA to, say, Manila Rail Transit Authority, or MARTA (although it would be the same name as the one in Atlanta, Georgia. :) --Miles2north (talk) 15:48, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

text: I saw on facebook some groups petitioning such with the rename being RRTA here . We could help them if we know someone in Malacañang or Office of the Executive Secretary. Do you happen to know some? Korean Rail Fan 03:33, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
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