Talk:Eric Shinseki

message: This article has no early life section. Most biographical articles do. 
65.101.228.154 (talk) 23:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Has No early Life Section

message: The article says that Shinseki is the 34th Chief of Staff of the US Army, yet the article [Chief of Staff of the United States Army] puts him at 35th. Which is it? 
--Calton 01:23, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbering

message: Fortunately for young Shinseki to be born in Hawaii, as "Sansei" in 1942.
The Sansei are the third generation of Japanese Americans living in America. Some of the older Sansei, on the continent, were born in the relocation camps and may have only the vaguest of childhood memories concerning their days behind the barbed wire fences. However, most Sansei know very little about their parent's wartime experiences in the relocation camps and for some, in military or civil service. 
The Sansei helped the Nisei bring the issue of reparations for the economic losses suffered due to the forced relocation and evacuation. Although the government had not admitted wrong doing and had never issued an apology, a movement began in the 1970's to seek redress. The Japanese American Citizens league and the newly formed National Coalition for Redress and Reparations began lobbying for reparation payments to the people who were interned. There was opposition to the redress movement from some veteran groups and others, but slowly the redress movement gained support in Congress. On February 19th 1976 President Gerald Ford signed Proclamation 4417 which referred to the evacuation as a "national mistake". Although not a formal apology, President Ford's action was the first step on the long road back from shame and despair.
On August 10th 1988 the "Civil Liberties Act of 1988" passed by Congress and signed by President Ronald Reagan made way for appropriations of $1.25 billion for $20,000 in reparations to Japanese American internees and an official Presidential apology on behalf of the United States government to those evacuees and their families.
On October 1st 1993, President William Jefferson Clinton signed an official Presidential apology on behalf of the United States government to those Japanese Americans and their families affected by the internment.  In the apology it is stated, "In retrospect, we understand that the nation's actions were rooted deeply in racial prejudice, wartime hysteria, and a lack of political leadership."
Takima 19:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born in Hawaii 

message: I find the use of Japanese characters in the general's name, and Asian-Americans persons in general, to be inconsistent with the general usage of non-Roman versions of proper names on Wikipedia. 
Typically for proper names of European descent, the non-Roman version of their name is only given if the person has a strong association with the nation/region associated with that language, either by citizenship or other activity; ancestry by itself doesn't seem to trigger the inclusion of non-Romanized names. For example, the Hebrew version of Albert Einstein is not given, but it is for Yitzhak Rabin. I find this convention to be agreeable because it does not emphasize ancestry in articles where it is not warranted. Certainly the fact that Einstein was a Jew is a fact worth mentioning elsewhere in the article.
In the case of this article, the use of the non-Romanized name in the first five words is particularly noticable because of the general's life, service, and actions strongly associate him with the United States, and one might say that he has earned the right to be represented as an American general first and foremost. As an ironic aside, the European name "Eric" is represented in romanized Japanese katakana characters.
I appreciate the work of linguaphiles that take the time to translate names, but in this case I believe that the tone of the article is better served without it.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hashkey (talk • contribs) .
I concur. He's American, Japanese-American if you want to be technical, not Japanese. If you really wanted to be political about it, Japan itself would probably prefer to write his name in katakana rather than kanji, since he's foreign-born.
Actually there is no Japanese surname called "Shinseki". Shinseki means relative or inlaws in Japanese.
I think his name is a made up name or a mixed name created by his great grandparents who came to Hawaii long ago. There are many names that start with "Shin" and "Seki" or end with "Seki" but I have never heard of a surname called Shinseki. Actaully the Japanese think it's funny that people outside of Japan think it's a true Japanese surname when it is not.
I have no idea where the person above thought of that, but there IS a Japanese surname called "Shinseki". 
Also, other asian americans such as Gary Locke, 3rd generation chinese, have his name displayed in Chinese as well, and so the display of Eric Shinseki's name with Japanese name may not be inappropriate. It really depends on how Mr. Shinseki views himself.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.24.194 (talk) 04:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Japanese written form of his name 

message: Sorry, I don't really know how to use this site -- just read the article, and was startled by this passage: "Contrary to Democratic candidate John Kerry's claim, in the first debate of the 2004 presidential election, Shinseki was not "retired" for his testimony before Congress. His official term as Chief of the Army ended four months later and he retired as scheduled."  This is followed by an endnote (16), but the cited article does not, in any way, support the claim.  This passage is phrased in a way that intends to resolve or take a stance on a political dispute; it says, essentially, that John Kerry and other Democrats were mistaken, or that they were lying; but it fails to even begin to meet the burden of proof. 71.229.156.105 13:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference was added by User:ERcheck on 2006-05-27, presumably to prove that Shinseki did indeed retire on schedule.  The relevant quotes are: Shinseki retired ... June 11, and As I was on the first day of my tenure four years ago.  I don't see what greater proof you could ask for that Kerry was wrong to claim that "they retired him" for his testimony.  Zsero 18:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  while Shinseki did retire according to his term, Rumsfeld effectively sliced his career off by announcing his replacement 3 months early. Normally, your successor is not announced until a few weeks ahead of your planned retirement date, subject of course to the scheduling needs of the senate, but by announcing his successor immediately, Shinseki was sidelined on major decisions as people, organizations, power centers, started working with his expected successor.  Shinseki immediately became a lame duck.
--Patbahn (talk) 22:38, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement 

message: Is Shinseki a Democrat or Republican? Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: everyone belongs to a party now? Nar Matteru (talk) 23:51, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that he was in the military, it's entirely possible the guy is really just non-partisan. Most military officials tend to be more realist in their foreign policy (like Scowcroft and Powell), which has become more of a Democratic position. On the other hand, they do tend to be more conservative on other issues. Given that he's dealing with military veterans, he'll just be implementing the policy that Obama wants to put forward so it's really won't matter.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.224.105 (talk) 04:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Party 

message: As soon as possible, a new picture with him wearing glasses and a civilian suit is needed.  I presume that when he becomes Secretary, there will be a photo. Chergles (talk) 19:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  need new picture 

message: I have recently placed to tags on sections of this article for clean up, and POV review.  The vast balance of the article regards the professional relationship between the article's subject and a superior political official, and the article subject's views of operations of an ongoing conflict which some editors may find controversial.  The length of the section is the largest part of the entire article and has far more information for a former army officer that served over 30 years in uniform, and is presently the secretary of veterans affairs.  As with the Larry Craig article, this section may possibly best be given its own article or placed in a relevant article that already exist regarding any contrivoursies in regards to Operation Iraqi Freedom pre-planning and 2003 operations.
The subsection of the section tagged with POV is far larger then needed due to unneeded quotes that could be summarized and its information given within a sentence. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 15:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section POV Tag & Quotefarm Tag 

message: Why does "VA Scandal" redirect to this Eric Shinseki page without there being any information about the VA scandal on his page? Better yet: Why is there no Wikipedia page for "VA Scandal"? (or is there? did I miss it?) There are literally hundreds of news articles from various reliable sources. This is serious, as the editorial board of the Washington Post states on May 26: "We don’t have a Shinseki problem, in other words. We have a President Obama problem. We have a Congress problem. We have a civil service system “in crisis,” as the Partnership for Public Service said in a recent report." --Cirrus Editor (talk) 22:14, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you create a page for the scandal.  Since the issue is contentious, please try to keep NPOV in mind.  I've broken the scandal mention out into a new section for the Shinseki article and linked to the VA component involved. TeriEmbrey (talk) 14:15, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "VA scandals" are nothing new. The link for VA scandal should probably point to the United States Department of Veterans Affairs, which consequently does not mention the scandal either, or other scandal's for that matter.  EricSerge (talk) 18:08, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: TeriEmbrey, thanks for the advice. I always try to be careful here on Wikipedia. It's a hotbed, I've found, if you're not on the right side of thought. EricSerge, so, the Fort Lee lane closure scandal deserves a page, where people were late for work, but there are secret waiting lists for American veterans to get health care, the VA's own IG verifies wait list manipulations, and CNN reports that 40 or more vets die while waiting for care, but that doesn't deserve a page. Thanks for the advice. -- Cirrus Editor (talk) 23:46, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  you miss my point. VA scandal should point to United States Department of Veterans Affairs or a page about VA scandals. It is probably a failing of content creation that nothing has been added to the United States Department of Veterans Affairs article. WP:RECENTISM guides out thoughts, but a well researched piece should probably cover more than just the current scandal.  EricSerge (talk) 01:02, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

text: I agree concerning this redirect being incorrect.  Doing a search within the Wikipedia.org search box using "VA Scandal" should not be statically redirected to the person named "Eric Shinseki" unless you are concluding he's guilty.  Nor would I presume a person's public apology to be justification for a quick hanging or lynching.  (ie. "VA Scandal" -> Eric Shinseki (redirect from VA scandal))  The redirect should be focused toward the VA Health Care scandal article(s). --roger (talk) 03:54, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
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