Talk:Pumi dog

message: Firstly, these dogs are the cutest thing ever. Secondly, it looks like for this dog, and its relative, the Puli, the AKC is using the Hungarian plural, Pumik and Pulik. Should this page reflect this pluralization or should we keep it as it is presently, using the English language plural of Pumis?
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replies: text: I notice that the American breed club tends to use 'Pumik', the UK club tends to use 'Pumis', as do most English language website articles, in all countries.  The WP Puli article uses both styles.  For the time being I have stuck with 'Pumis', which seems to be the most common usage outside Hungary. MapReader (talk) 11:28, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plurals? 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: I have been working to improve this article, and wanted to flag one potential controversy arising from the citations, which is whether or not the Pumi breed actually has terrier blood, as distinct from simply some terrier-like characteristics.  The earlier version of the article stated categorically that it does not, but the only citation I could find to support this was a quote from a contemporary member of the American breed club, with nothing from history or science to back it up.  Whereas a number of citations including some from Hungary suggest that cross-breeding with terriers is likely to have taken place.  The truth may be that we will never know (without rigorous DNA analysis?), but for the revised text I have gone with the balance of citations that indicate probable cross-breeding with some terriers, along with various sheepdogs, in the 17th-18th centuries. MapReader (talk) 11:18, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: DNA analysis shows that the Pumi breed has been crossed with the Puli (extensively, and the Puli with the Pumi), the German Shepherd, and the Dobermann. The Dobermann article tells me that it is thought to include a number of breeds, but documented is the Greyhound and Manchester Terrier. That may be your terrier! William Harris • (talk) • 13:30, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrier blood? 

message: Hello User:MapReader, we meet here once again. Regarding the text "The ancestral Hungarian herding dog appears to have migrated with the Magyars and their livestock from the Ural-Altay region, between China and the Caspian Sea, to the Carpathian Basin around 800 AD, writes Meir Ben-Dror." This person is a board member of the [Hungarian Pumi Club of America], and therefore is not an WP:INDEPENDENT source.
 
Regarding "This dog most likely can be traced back to the Tibetan herding/guard dogs (Tsang Apso, mistakenly called terriers by Europeans) originated from China and Tibet and were widespread among various tribes in the region." Who has done the tracing? Do you believe that "most likely" is evidence strong  enough to be included in an encyclopedia (is the editor of K9 magazine a dog historian?)
Yes, the material is cited, but I question the value of a no-author-given piece of writing in a dog magazine that has no references. And on this basis, we appear to be happy stating that this dog originates from China and Tibet? William Harris (talk) 20:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The more relevant point, in line with the usual WP policy on citations, is that this is a published article, by the above named person, in a canine magazine with reasonable circulation.  The question is whether the magazine itself can be regarded as a reliable source. MapReader (talk) 21:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. William Harris (talk) 11:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I take issue with the second paragraph of the description section, specifically the content sourced to www.aboquadogs.com and http://www.gopetsamerica.com/dogs/dogs-that-do-not-shed.aspx - neither source is reliable the former is just some breeder's personal website and the latter is possibly user generated? If it's not user generated it has seemingly no editorial oversight. 
I also take issue with the temperament section, specifically the first paragraph and the second referenced section of the second.
Both sources used petwave.com and the Kennel Club breed standard aren't reliable in this instance. Petwave itself is a completely unreliable source and the Kennel Club is a primary source with obvious bias. The claim 'never aggressive or overly shy' is absurd: a dog of any breed is capable of aggression.
As for health claims any breed club cannot be a reliable source as they are biased and a primary source; there is no oversight process for their information and no way to know if it's truthful or not. Furthermore the UK kennel club data relies on breeders/owners actually reporting data, a breeder may simply choose to not report a negative result - the German Shepherd Dog breed club for example doesn't participate in these screenings and questionnaires to avoid scrutiny. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute with content in article.