Talk:List of mamodo in Zatch Bell!

message: I think some effort should be made towards the continuity of this article. The Japanese and English versions, though different, are not so different as to warrant seperate pages. Since the page is on the english site of wikipedia, favor should be to the english version (i.e. Names should be spelled first in english with the Japanese in parenthesis or something else.) Also, the actual powers and descriptions of the demons should be the same across the board (i.e. Zatch should always be lightning, Pamoon/Stars, Brago/Gravity, etc. If info's changed, it should be changed on all descriptions.)Turk Ranma 21:24, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Continuity

message: Under each of the character pictures there is a "see article on ____" space added. If you want to include descriptions on characters (without spoiling it for people) just click on the red link and write away!Turk Ranma 21:24, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: Due to space issues, the page needs to be broken up into more sections.Turk Ranma 16:36, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Break

message: I don't know where to put them on the page, so could somebody find the appropriate spot for these characters:
demoruto and robert vile are the anime characters in zatch bell. demoruto's arm blades are used as weapons and to attack. demoruto looks like a demon with wings and arm blades and sholuder armors. he was deafeted by zatch. and his armor upgrade by his final spell
They were in a separate article, which I redirect to this article. Thanks -- Kjkolb 10:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters to merge

message: Sadly, virtually all of the images on this page lack source and copyright information.  They need those tags and the approprate description of the source on their image page to avoid being deleted.  I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the uploader doesn't hold the copyright for them, and that the copyright holder hasn't released them under any free license; so the only tag that could work is fair use.  Unfortunately, there's a limit to how many fair use images you're supposed to use in an article, and this goes a bit above that. What it comes down to is that someone is going to have to go over this article, choose a few important images, tag them as fair use and note their source, then remove all the rest. --Aquillion 01:06, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Another possibility is to create a large grid-style layout of all of them as a single gigantic image (not unlike the way the pokemon charts and wall posters were designed). Sweetfreek 09:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I realize that this may be a trivial question but exactly at what point did Zatch and Kiyo learn the 5th Spell? Sweetfreek 00:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spells

message: Shin'ichi's dubbed name is Shin. Not Sheen. Here's proof:
Also, I'm pretty sure that Fausuto, Tuvai, and Sooma's names are that and not Fausto, Tsuvai, and Soma. Belgium EO
:Ah, sorry about the Sheen thing. The other names, however, take a good understanding of the Japanese phonetic system. Though first, some of the other names, like Mars/Maruss or Zophise/Zofis. Please provide images where their names are spelled as "Mars", "Zophise", "Barry", etc in English in the Japanese anime or manga. If not, then they're just considered as fan names and should not be included, and the default English dubbed names should be used. Mainly because there's no difference between the phonetic pronounciations of their Japanese names and their English name spellings. Now on to the other names that haven't been given English names yet.
*ファウスト (phonetically Fausuto) While, yes, the bare phonetic pronounciation of it is "Fausuto" this can easily be reduced down to simply "Faust". In the same way that "Burago" goes down to "Brago" and "Gasshu" goes to "Gash". It has to do with how the "U" sound in Japanese is the "weak" sound. Also, names that end in "to" can be reduced down to just ending in T. Basically, for a final example, my real name "Grant" would be phonetically pronounced "Guranto" in Japanese.
*ツヴァイ (phonetically Tsuvai) The first "tsu" character there gives it away. If the name were supposed to be "Tuvai", it would be written トゥヴァイ
*カルディオ (phonetically Karudio) Due to the "ru" sound often being used in place of an "l", as there's no L sound in Japanese, the best way to translate this would be as "Kaldio".
*ザルチム (phonetically Zaruchimu) Same reasons as stated above, it woudl be best translated as "Zalchim" or "Zalcheem".
*キース (phonetically Kiisu) I haven't seen the episode yet, but from what I've heard, his name is written as "Kiees" in episode 146.
*エル・シーバス (phonetically Eru Shiibasu) This one's kind of tricky. I got the name "Elle Chivas" from Gashchan's website (the one all the stuff on this page is coming from). It makes more sense than "El Sibasu" since Elle is an actual name and "Sibasu" simply sounds too Japanese to be her. Since she listed "Elle Chivas", either the name appeared that way in the series, or it's a very well thought out translation done by a fan. Either way, it's more accurate-looking and sounding for her. Geg 23:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, I was probably going slightly overboard, but for now, I'm changing Zaruchimu's name to just "Zaruchim" mainly because the "u" on the "mu" sound is very rarely left on. As for Karudeio/Karudio, the correct translation would be Karudio. There's a very small difference. The actual character's name is spelled カルディオ, which is phonetically Karudio. Karudeio, however, would be spelled カルデイオ. Notice the small difference? The smaller ィ before the デ gives it the "di" sound. As for Soma, I can definitely state with certainty that it's not "Sooma" at least in the normal way that name would be pronounced in English. It's name is ソーマ. ソ is the character for the phonetic sound "so" while ス is the character for the sound "su". Sooma would be written スーマ. Go ahead and look it up on Katakana if you need to. Geg 22:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt it. All the other names are very accurate. And just because fans use names doesn't mean it's the most accurate translation, especially when there are big differences between the katakana and the translation (like Tsuvai/Tuvai and Karudio/Karudeio). Geg 23:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

text: For Fausuto, there's a very slim possibility. The "o" may stay, like Kido, but there's no chance the "u" will stay in there. For Sooma, virtually zero, since his Japanese name and the name "Sooma" just don't go together. Oh, and for the other error I noticed, Bazurai should be Bazarai - ブザライ. The ザ is the character for za, not zu. Also, I have been checking them on the Japanese wikipedia site to make sure the names are accurate . And like I said, names like Tsuvai/Tuvai, Karudio/Karudeio, and Soma/Sooma aren't due to different usages of Japanese; they're due to actual mistranslations. Tsuvai's name has "ツ" at the beginning of it, making a "Tsu" sound, not a "Tu" sound; Karudio has a "ディ" in its name, making a "Di" sound, not a "Dei" sound; Soma has a "ソ" making a "So" sound, not a "Su" sound. Geg 00:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Exactly. Generally, however, words are not spelled differently from how they're pronounced. For example, something pronouced "Buzarai" will not be spelled "Buzurai" and vice versa. Though with Kiees, it's slightly different as his name is written out in English in episode 146. Geg 18:59, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, so we've finally reached an agreement. I guess I have to apologize for getting so strung up over it. One of the things I'm worried about is the dub not going all the way to the end of the series due to content issues (stuff like Momon's underwear fetish will be hard to edit out), so I wanted to get the page as accurate as possible just in case the dub never makes it to those characters. Geg 02:51, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Names

message: Well, as it turns out, I am kind of grammar-obsessed, so I did want to make some edits to make the humans' names more believable. Most of these names I got by looking them up on Google. Like I already said, Banikis is a name in some language, I think. I originally changed Kosuna to Cosner, but since "Natsuo" is a Japanese name, a last name like "Cosner" wouldn't make any sense, so I'm just leaving it as Kosuna. The next one was Dipito Koru/Dippit Cole. "Dippito Koru" is the bare bones pronounciation of it and the names don't seem to have any real meaning in real life. Both "Dippit" and "Cole" are real names. Then "Ozi Furaian". Well, since "Ozzy" is the more common spelling of the name, I changed it to that. As for the last name, "Fryan" is also an actual name. Same with "Elle". I'd still like to change "Shibasu/Sibasu" to "Chivas". It makes a lot more sense as well. Also, I just found a site with some Japanese names translated to English. I'm going to look that over and think about what to do with it. Geg 23:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, here's the site I found: http://bd.halfmoon.jp/spell.html. The first line of text at the top reads: "If the background is the color of the sea, it is official. If the color is white, it is due to the original research of the managers [of the site]." Basically, the names in the blue background were somehow confirmed by the show or the creators of the show, I'm guessing. All the others came from original research. I'll go ahead and change the confirmed ones. The only other real notable one is they note beside Jeed/Gide's name that if he's French, the name Gide would fit. Though he looks American based on his appearence. So I doubt he's French. Go ahead and look over them and discuss them if you want. Geg 23:28, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  -_- I don't remember making promises. And like I said, I was just trying to make the article more accurate. Geg 23:37, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Huh... I dunno. It's definitely possible that they are since they came during that saga, but I would have thought we'd know if they were Millennium mamodos or not. So I guess we should just leave them where they are for now. Geg 23:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Second names discussion

message: About the "contact gashchan" thing, that's basically impossible. She doesn't leave her email or anything on that site. I used to post on a forum with her, but that was about a year ago. But anyway, verifiable information is one of the bases of Wikipedia. It's even on the little license thing thing under the edit box. I can't let those other spellings go through without seeing something to back it up, especially when the spelling isn't how the name is correctly romanized as. Geg 23:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: PS, here's the video with the spelling "Kiees" on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUZe0v71awU&search=Gash%20Bell%20146. It's at 9:16. Geg 23:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd thought about that too, but the only place I've actually seen translations of those characters is gashchan's site. There aren't any manga scanlations out that I know of, and the fansubs haven't made it that far yet. The thing is, most fans of Japanese anime have to rely on the translations on pretty much everything. And when the main source of the translations makes errors, it's going to effect all the fans who depend on that site for its translations. But yeah, I find it hard to believe that there aren't more people than me who noticed those translation errors. We'll just have to see if "everyone" actually does thing the names are spelled "Karudeio", etc when the fansub comes out. Geg 23:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I apologize, and admit that it was definitely uncalled for. I went ahead and checked the LiveJournal Konjiki thing you mentioned and looked up the scans of Chatper 244 when Karudio's book gets burned. And I'll admit, it's hard to tell his name is spelled with the "di" (ディ) and not with the "dei" (デイ) in the manga text, so I can see where the main problem comes from. But elsewhere, such as the Gash Bell Wikipedia site, his name is definitely spelled カルディオ as opposed to カルデイオ. But again, I apologize for that. Geg 00:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's definitely the small one. It's just hard to tell by just glancing at it. Geg 01:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Third names discussion

message: I thought this was interesting, especially after Fein's attacks were named. According to the card game, his attack spells are spelled one way, while according to the anime, it's different. For example, his primary attack is Wigar in the card game but Ugar in the anime. How should this be handled? Geg 23:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anime vs. Card game

message: This article has been kept following this AFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD debate link 

message: *I'm transcribing these manually from the Japanese versions with my limited knowledge of hiragana.  My computer doesn't support Unicode so I'm taking stabs at the lettering based on Wikipedia articles.  If any errors jump out at any of you more experienced users (or if you happen to have a manga-based transcription), feel free to correct me. Danny Lilithborne 08:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese names of spells 

message: *Too many people are adding new spells without providing any source or verification.  I can give leeway to mamodo that are featured in video games, but characters that appeared just once will only show so many spells.  If you're going to add new spells, please provide in the edit summary some kind of verifiable information about where that spell was used, or it'll get reverted. Danny Lilithborne 07:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New spells. 

message: Made a general format clean up (main and nihongo templates, dash format). It doesn't seem I have overwritten anything, but if so, sorry. Also, is it really needed to have headlines like "Someone and Unknown"? If so, all "Unknown" should be changed to "unknown" for the guidelines. Also, I suggest creating a table, or at least float all images to the right to save some space. -- ReyBrujo 20:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some clean up 

message: *While researching seiyuu information, I came across a lot of information that said that Mayumi Tanaka was the voice of Robnos, contrary to what this page originally stated (Konami Yoshida).  However, Googling both names with "Robnos" results in equal information for either (AnimeNewsNetwork says it's Tanaka, Seiyuu.info says it's Yoshida). Since I am bad at Japanese, and the voices sound similar to me, I am not sure what to make of this.  Little help? Danny Lilithborne 08:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This page used to have Mayumi Takana as the voice of Robnos. I only recently noticed it said "Konami Yoshida" as well. The Japanese Wikipedia has it listed as Konami Yoshida as well, but I'm almost positive it also used to have Mayumi Takana. edit: I'll have the answer in a few minutes. Geg 16:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Yoshida. I checked the credits of the Japanese episode. Geg 16:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese voice actor of Robnos 

message: Are they really necessary? I mean, linking to images about every attack in the series, seeing the amount of characters and attacks, may not be appropriate. I am tempted to add a  tag to the article, but will wait some days to see if there is a good reason for keeping them. -- ReyBrujo 23:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do so.  --  Zanimum 19:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photobucket links