Talk:Flag of France

message: As currently stands I agree Tricolore is the place for this, but ideally it'd be nice to move it back to Flag of France and expand the portion on past flags of France, along the lines of Flag of Germany. --Delirium 09:57, Aug 25, 2003 (UTC)
: drat! I just moved it here! A history of all the different flags of france sounds like a very good idea though -- Tarquin 09:59, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: To bring this article into parallelism with the rest of Category:National flags, I wish to have this article moved back to Flag of France. Denelson83 04:56, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag of France

message: The three stripes are NOT of equal width. If the white stripe was the same width as the others the eye would perceive it as being broader because it is lighter. The blue and red stripes are actually wider by precisely-defined amounts so that all three are perceived as possessing egalité. And I know that's true because I read it somewhere. :-P    -    Lee M 03:40, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's only the case when the flag is seen at sea.  The national flag on land has equal widths for the three stripes. Denelson83 22:52, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: They ARE now of uniform width, except at sea, according to the French site (and they ought to know I guess). So did the "regulation dated 17 May 1853" relate to chaging the width of the naval flag back again? I've assumed so in my edit. 80.43.134.61 00:30, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: The 30:33:37 stripes are for use as an actual flag, flapping in the wind. In that case the wider red stripe doesn't appear wider, because of the flapping. There is actually a version not mentioned in the article with a much narrower white stripe, used so that when officials (usually politicians) talk on TV with a flag beside them, with the image cropped on their head, the three colors are visible. Aesma (talk) 13:26, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Stripe widths

message: "Tricolore" is unfortunately not an English language word, and "Tricolor" is the way this flag is referenced in English. I think it really ought to be back to the drawing board on this particular disambiguation: the distinction between tricolored flags and the Tricolor is through capitalization or specification, and since Wikipedia doesn't permit the capitalization distinction, another way ought to be found that is less misleading. - Nunh-huh 07:22, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: A distinction should be made between tricolor (tricolour) flags in general and the proper name of the French tricolor flag. The former should be rendered in English; the latter is a proper noun that should be capitalized and may or may not have an accepted English-language variation. (I'm still hunting for Wikipedia and printed style guidelines on this area.) The one thing I can say for sure at the moment is that, for the generic usage, "tricolor" is preferred in American English, while "tricolour" is preferred in British English. For this reason, any link to the article "Tricolour" should be spelled that way (based on Wikipedia policies to [A] retain spelling of article creator for non-US, non-UK subjects and [B] use direct links rather than redirected links). Mentioning the alternate US spelling is not a bad idea. On the other hand, the statement "more commonly known as the Tricolour" [emphasis mine], which refers to the specific Flag of France, appears to be inaccurately based on British POV. I am researching this and will shortly report my results (and edit the article text on that basis) in the "General 'Tricolore' spelling issues" section below. -- Jeff Q 22:29, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title

message: The current state of the phrase "more commonly known as the Tricolor (Tricolour)" still strikes me as odd, since these labels are implicitly preferred over the article's name. One might ask, "Which is it? Tricolore, Tricolor, or Tricolour? (Or even Tricouleur?) And who says which?" I was going to revise this phrase to say the following:
: … more commonly known as the Tricolore (French), Tricolor (US English), or Tricolour (UK English)…
… but I was unsure on two points. First, my French isn't adequate to discern the difference between tricouleur and tricolore, so I don't know which is the correct term for The Flag. Second, if the French term is given, shouldn't it be "le (drapeau?) tricolore" rather than "the Tricolore"? Could someone with a better command of not only the language, but the usage in this case, make a definitive statement? As a self-appointed member of the Wiki link cleanup crew, I'd be happy to move around and/or rename pages and links from any pages using any variation, if I only knew the answer. — Jeff Q 21:21, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The tricolore is the national flag of France. Known to English speakers as the French tricolour (UK) or tricolor (US), it features three vertical bands coloured blue (hoist side), white, and red.
This accomplishs three previously-unmet goals:
# The first line of the article matches the article's title in a Wiki-standard fashion.
# Both English spellings are provided.
# The link to the general term tricolour is included without implying any official English name in preference to the français tricolore.
I will also change the other "tricolour" reference to "tricolore", the latter of which is already used in the article, both for consistency and to avoid further debate of UK vs. US spellings in an article on a French subject. Hopefully this will put a rest to this issue. -- Jeff Q 00:26, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not a grammarian but I'm French, "colore" as a suffix is perfectly French, "couleur" isn't (it's a noun). Commonly used words include "bicolore, quadricolore", meaning something with 2, 4 colors. (Le) tricolore to talk about the French flag is fine, but not really used, as attested by the name of the French article about the flag : "Drapeau de la France" (French flag). "Drapeau tricolore" is a more common variation. Aesma (talk) 13:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: General "Tricolore" spelling issues

message: (from WP:RM)
===Tricolore → Flag of France; Tiranga → Flag of India===
*The reason for this move is to bring the article into parallelism with the other articles listed in :Category:National flags. Denelson83 04:59, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move

message: *The reason for this move is to bring the article into parallelism with the other articles listed in :Category:National flags. Denelson83 04:59, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tricolore]] → [[Flag of France]]; [[Tiranga]] → [[Flag of India]]

message: "by 1789 the colours of Paris were no longer in use"
I don't agree with that : In his diary, Gouverneur Morris wrote, on July 17th 1789 that when Louis XVI came to Paris on that day "The King’s Horse Guards, some of the Gardes du Corps, and all those who attend him, have the cockades of the city, viz., red and blue." and that, at the Hôtel de Ville, the King "put in his hat a large cockade of the red and blue ribbons, and then, and not till then, received the general shouts of “Vive le Roi!" marcparis6 09:57, May 10, 2005 (UTC).
:Nothing in your quotation is incorrect. The blue and red, on July 17th, were no more associated with the colours of the city of Paris... but, associated with white, to the Revolution... That's it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enzino (talk • contribs) 02:36, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see your point : Morris said that red and blue was then the coulours of the City of Paris. He didn't mention the symbol of the American revolution. "Most historians and specialists of flags, including those in France". Can you mention only one please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcparis6 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: I modified the blue color in the design part of "Flag of France" but the header has no edit button so I don't know how  to change the main flag.--Titop33 18:52, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a problem, welcome ! :) Rama 19:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  As seen on :Commons:Image talk:Flag of France.svg - the only sources quoted seem to be in favour of the previous colours being official, and not "RGB (0,85,164) and (239,65,53)" as the article presently claims. I've reverted the flag colours unless some quoted source claims otherwise. —Gabbe 13:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New, correct blue colour

message: The Vexillological symbol for the flag indicates that the flag described in this article is the one intended for land use (three superior dots).  The article also mentions that the ensign used by the navy differs only in the proportions of the bars.  Alright, so we now have four out of the six dots figured out.  What are the other two ensigns (the ones for private and state--non-military--use)?  I'm assuming they're the same as the one used by the Navy, but... how do we know that?  Would anyone knowledgeable of the flag care to include that somewhere in the article? (or perhaps point it out to me, in case I missed it)? Rod ESQ 20:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vexillological symbol--missing ensigns

message: http://flagspot.net/flags/crus1188.html#red
http://flagspot.net/flags/fr~mon.html#civ
Ever notice how it fleshes (like England, Scotland and Ireland) nicely into the Union Jack?  Perhaps it was all of an innocent origin, but I think it's slick!  Just as the British dropped the royal arms of France, they come up with a national flag which inadvertantly adds France--like in Canada, adding the French arms!  I am of both Huguenot and Roman Catholic French heritage, but absolutely treasure the old English claims.  IP Address 05:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cross flag of the the Ancient Regime

message: The flag is three vertical strips of colour.  While it may have had some influence, it's quite bold to state, without citation, that it has influenced all those flags.  Having such a large gallery also detracts from the true point of this article.  violet/riga (t) 15:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence

message: Frankly, I am at a loss as to why the flags of Newfoundland and Iraq are among the few displayed on this page. It makes absolutely no sense. There are dozens of more appropriate flags inspired by the tricolore that could be displayed here, including those of the Napoléonic states at the turn of the XIXe century (which would be an excellent addition), the French states of colonial Africa, or perhaps even the U.S. state of Iowa. Before I delete them myself, will someone explain why they feel the flags of Newfoundland (Terre-Neuve) and Iraq are justified here. Thank you. Charvex 03:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Newfoundland & Iraq Flags on this page?

message: Reading this article for the first time, I'm struck by the absence of (1) any mention of the actual first date of adoption of the flag, (2) any extended discussion of the flag's association with the French Revolution and revolutionary ideology (the only mentions of the revolution are either indirect or in a caption), and (3) the flag's influence on other modern "republican" flags (Ireland, Italy, Mexico, etc.)
Were these elements included in past iterations of the article and deleted for some reason? If so, could someone restore them?P.D. 19:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing pieces of this article

message: Can the large blank space under "Design" be shortened somehow? Right now it might give the impression that the article is a stub that ends after the introduction. Funnyhat 06:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Large blank space

message: The plain white flag was the flag used before 1789, and not the fleur-de-lissé flag, which was only used  when for member of the royal family. I felt free to change this error.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.24.233.213 (talk) 17:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As France was an Absolute Monarchy under the Bourbons, particularly with Louis XIV, in which France was the personal possession of the king (encapsulated in the possibly apocryphal, but nevertheless indicative, quote by Louis XIV: "L'État est Moi"), the Royal Flag of France should be used for the period 1624-1789. The Fleur de Lís of the ruling Bourbon family imposed on the white field of that flag demonstrates this. The idea of a 'national flag' predominating a royal flag at this time is an anachronism as the modern Nationalism idea of the French nation only comes into existence during the revolution. Wars during this period could only be conducted at the behest of the king of France, not the nation of France.Tttom1 (talk) 13:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: White flag

message: Is that supposed to be a piss take!?? The implcation being the French are cowards... :-/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.192.28 (talk) 23:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: French battle flag

message: After looking at the source code in the table under the "design" heading, I noticed that the HTML color codes used for the actual images of the colors (around the  words "Blue," "White," and "Red") are different than the HTML color codes listed in the table as the actual codes. Can anyone comment on which are correct?--Vox Rationis (Talk | contribs) 18:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: HTML colors

message: Being French, the story I learned about the flag has always been the same, in school, readings or internet : the blue and red were Paris' colors and the white was the king's, refering to the revolution time, combination of the King and Paris.
Also "The Blue of the flag represents the great power or influence France has over other countries; the white, for purity; the red, for the bloodshed that must be lost in honor of their own country"
This affirmation seems realy strange to me and I never heard of this, so if true, there should be a reference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.171.42.159 (talk) 06:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The first link make a reference to the book Flags by Eve Devereux, wich I can't reach online. Akhyll (talk) 09:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: History of the flag

message: I'm surprised nobody has made note of this sooner. The word "tricouleur" does NOT exist in French. Any native French speaker knows this, and although they could guess its meaning by association of "tri" (for "three") and "couleur" (for "colour"), they would correct this word immediately to "tricolore". Only non-native speakers might be tempted to create the word "tricouleur" (which, by the way, is a very sensible choice), but it is incorrect. So, there's no need to bicker over this term.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.93.5 (talk) 20:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: On "Tricouleur"

message: I removed that terrible joke of the French Battle Flag showing a white flag. That's terribly unimaginative trolling Matthieu (talk) 12:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: French Battle Flag

message: Notice something a little "off" about the "white cross on a blue field" flag? Like the fact it's the file for the flag of Greece? Can someone possibly dedicate France's own flag file?-- Zblewski|talk  22:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: @Zblewski it's not Greece flag's lol. it's the cross of Saint Michel used against the English during the 100YW
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croix_de_saint_Michel
It's the one used for the flag of Quebec Esteban Outeiral Dias (talk) 12:00, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: White Cross flag

message: Because France has no arms, the Tricolour is also the national emblem.
Is there some technical meaning of "emblem" that I'm not getting here? What's this National Emblem of France? (That article says that it's an emblem and not a coat of arms because it ignores the rules of heraldry. But that still implies that the flag is not the emblem.) Nick (talk) 03:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The French flag is the only official national emblem of France. There is no official coat of arms. An unofficial one is somewhat commonly used including on passports, but that's it. It's the same with all oversea territories of France, some have an official flag, most don't, but either way, the national flag and emblem of all parts of France is the national flag.Aesma (talk) 14:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

text: @Nick81 there's no more monarchy, so we stopped using coat of arms Esteban Outeiral Dias (talk) 11:58, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: France has no arms?

message: Reference 7 has man broken links.--68.193.135.139 (talk) 04:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

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message: In the table showing different ways of representing the colours used, is the term "HTML Colours" incorrect? HTML colours are surely colours predefined in HTML ("red", "blue" etc.) and these would not be a perfect match for the flag colours. The colours given in this row (eg. #0055A4) are hex colours, which are a different thing. 188.223.164.32 (talk) 20:13, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "HTML" Colours 

message: The link to the colors (said to be in German, from diplomatie.gouv.fr, but now a 404 error) is broken, and the French article mentions that there are no hues defined by French law or government. Maybe someone should update this article accordingly? I unfortunately don't have time to research the subject.
CielProfond (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colors 

message: links into the surrender reputation the French have widely across the world from Haiti to New Caledonia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.69.58.27 (talk) 06:21, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if it's that famous, you'll be able to find a reliable source telling us all about it, won't you? GrindtXX (talk) 12:35, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

text: @5.69.58.27 Your German so you should've also heard that not only did France won more war than you, but also we didn't start two world war that we lose, and our leader at the time despite being a Nazi didn't committed suicide because he was loosing. Esteban Outeiral Dias (talk) 11:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The French flag is unflatteringly known as the 'retreat-colour' 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: I have just considerably pruned the following paragraph from the "Design" section, which is self-contradictory and incomprehensible. What exactly was "in use from 1974 to 1981"? The darker version? That implies the lighter version is now the "official" version, but if so what does "[s]ome diplomatic services abroad still use the light blue (reflex blue) version" mean? What, indeed, is "reflex blue"? 1974–81 was in fact the presidential tenure of Giscard d'Estaing: however, the French version of this article makes no mention of any changes to the flag colours during his presidency. There may be something behind all this, but it needs clear explanation and properly cited sources.
:The colours were adopted by Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, which replaced a darker version of the flag. It has been in use from 1974 to 1981. The French constitution of 1946 mentions in its article 2 that "the national emblem is the tricolour flag, blue, white, red, with three vertical stripes of equal dimensions." Nowadays, the darker blue is in use on national monuments, on military buildings, and on ships. Some diplomatic services abroad still use the light blue (reflex blue) version of the flag. While the dark and light versions of actual flags are used equally, the light version (i.e. the main version used by Wikipedia) is far more common on digital displays.
GrindtXX (talk) 15:48, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colours 

message: When were the current colors introduced? After some digging I've found two conflicting dates, 1976 (or 1974) and 1981. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 23:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  1974/1976 or 1981? 

message: Does it fit Tricoloure/Tricouleur at all? 124.106.140.191 (talk) 01:23, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I don't understand your question. "Tricoloure" is not, as far as I'm aware, a word used in any language. "Tricouleur" is a word sometimes found used by English-language authors trying to look more authentically French, but the French don't, in fact, use the word, preferring the preferring the Italianate "Tricolore" (for reasons I don't full understand). On Wikipedia, Tricouleur exists as a redirect to this article, but we don't use the word within the article itself. There is also a separate article on Tricolour (flag). GrindtXX (talk) 12:47, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Although the noun "color" is "couleur" in French, all derived words use the "-color(e)-" root. Hence "(dé)colorer" (to tint/discolor), "colorier" (to color with pencils), "coloration" (coloring), "multicolore", etc. and, of course, "tricolore". 80.215.42.10 (talk) 15:31, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tricoloure and Tricouleur as an alternate title? 

message: Are we certain it was the plain white flag?  The French article suggests that the flag of that time had the coat of arms on it, and the 1830 painting by Léon Cogniet does as well:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Lar7_cogniet_001z.jpg/800px-Lar7_cogniet_001z.jpg
2602:306:CFEA:170:84E5:EF40:100E:508F (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of the Bourbon restoration 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: I've noticed that there are no information or codes on the specific shades of the colors of the Darker Shaded flag used for most of France's existence. Any info on it? SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 00:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hex Codes for the Darker shades? 

message: French flag is respected by communists. It was also respected by Communards due to its affiliation with leftism and Jacobinism. It isn't a flag against Communism but a flag against rightism. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 14:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Communism 

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message: This has been changed several times in the last few days.  Rather than the edit-warring, can we take a proper consensus decision? Light form or darker form? I have requested temporary page protection, and put a rem note in the infobox.Kevin McE (talk) 19:10, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Main image in infobox poll

message: I have proposed that, following the apparent shift in official practice, the darker variant of the French flag should be used in Wikipedia templates. It is best not to have the discussion happening in parallel in various places, so can I direct those who might want to express an opinion to Template talk:Country data France#Darker variant of flag as default. Thank you. Kevin McE (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shade of flag in templates 

message: Replace (top image to the right)
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replies: text: Thanks for these useful suggestions. This is  at this point as consensus is required (see section below). If consensus is reached the protection can be removed and this (or any other edit) can then be made. -- Euryalus (talk) 19:53, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 18 November 2021 

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thread_title:  Article is briefly edit-protected 

message: the translated part of this section is not very good, I speak both French and English and could help translate it 69.181.181.134 (talk) 02:02, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the offer. If you note specific changes here they can be considered and copied in. CMD (talk) 02:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The same bad translation of this passage is also in Alphonse de Lamartine#Political career, so a better retranslation could be copied there too. And this article isn't edit-protected, so can be done there now, and copied here later.  Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 16:14, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 19 November 2021 

message: The article says the Navy uses a flag with different proportions. Shouldn't that one also be added here and listed as a naval flag. If its actually in use that way its a distinct flag, and even the non-standard TV flag is mentioned in the article. jonas (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that there's little point in illustrating the naval flag (designed to appear equally spaced when flapping on a flagpole); it is clearly explained in the text. On the other hand, illustrating the TV flag ("standard" or not is irrelevant, it's widely used) is helpful, as it gives you an idea of what a closeup of someone standing in front of it might look like. Even better would be a picture of it in use if there is one available. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 11:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naval Flag 

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thread_title:  RFC in progress 

message: There's no mention that before using Saint Michel's cross during the 100YW (white cross on a blue background), France used Saint George's cross during the crusades (red cross on a white background, the current English flag) while England used the opposite (white cross on red background).
Also at the beginning of the 100YW, both blue and red background were used but ultimately only the blue background remained. Esteban Outeiral Dias (talk) 12:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saint George's cross 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

message: I've seen some conflict from mostly unsourced explanations about the use of flags during the Bourbon Restoration, particularly for military use. The assertion is that the all-white flag would be used by ships, while white with the royal Bourbon shield-and-crest would be flown when the monarch (or other royal?) is on board the ship. This may also be a similar practice for armies carrying the flag. This is important to get down especially for military history articles, which use flags in their sidebars. Currently all such flags except the naval display the royal standard in some form. If anyone can lend more clarity to the issue it would be appreciated. SamuelRiv (talk) 16:04, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bourbon Restoration flag vs royal standard use 

message: Does this flag, the French flag with the ciat of arms on it have a place to go with it? --Averan Republic (talk) 20:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Flag with Coat of Arms