Talk:Jack Halberstam

message: The article states: The Queer Art of Failure argues that failure can be productive...
This is sort of the opposite of the truth. The book argues that failure is inherently unproductive but that there is value in that unproductivity. It might be a good idea to replace productive with valuable.
--128.54.78.193 (talk) 05:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Productive'

message: : "Some queer scholars have mistaken her work to be reinforcing heterosexuality and the notion of "femaleness." However, her work is groundbreaking in queer theory in its power to displace the embeddedness of masculinity in the male domain. "
This doesn't seem to represent both sides of the debate fairly. It seems biased to claim that those who criticise the work have simply "mistaken" it. It would be good if the critiques and their rebuttals could be presented more evenly and clearly here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.101.69.22 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 13 May 2006
:Kindly sign your entries next time with --~~~~, even if you don't have a username. -- AlexR 13:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry; I didn't mean to cause any offence. (218.101.69.2 03:36, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV dispute

message: This change (followup edit here) at the MOS:IDENTITY guideline by Francis Schonken (the References to the person in other articles part) takes care of my "name and pronoun mention in other articles" concern. By that, I mean where I stated the following in my "21:52, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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message: *Yes, use "also known as." Halberstam is not a trans man, "Judith Halberstam" is not his deadname, and he is still widely known as "Judith Halberstam." There is no indication that he shuns "Judith Halberstam" or considers "Judith Halberstam" as solely a past matter in reference to him. Furthermore, Halberstam's Facebook page uses "J. Jack Halberstam". As seen here regarding one of his books, the J stands for "Judith." When one looks at his book "Female Masculinity" on Google Books, it lists both names -- "Judith Halberstam, Jack Halberstam." Even if a recent re-issue of the book "Female Masculinity" uses the name "Jack Halberstam" instead of the long-standing "Judith Halberstam", this is no indication that he now shuns "Judith" or considers it as solely a past matter in reference to him. With the release of his "Gaga Feminism" book, he already told us in a 2012 interview that he goes by "Jack" these days. In that same interview, he told us "some people call me Jack, my sister calls me Jude, people I've known forever call me Judith" and "I try not to police any of it. A lot of people call me he, some people call me she, and I let it be a weird mix of things." And there still is no evidence that this has changed. Although this 2013 The New York Times source and this 2017 Popular Inquiry blog source state "formerly Judith", it is clear to me that these two sources did this to let readers know of the name Halberstam went by before using "Jack." Having the lead state "formerly Judith Halberstam", use the masculine pronouns, and exclude any mention of the gender identity aspect will lead readers to believe that Halberstam never uses or allows for "Judith" and is a trans man. But he's told us before, including in the 2012 interview, that he is not a trans man. And unless he states that "Judith" is something the public should only use in a "formerly" sense, I don't think that Wikipedia should state it for him. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Take your tone down a notch. WP:ALTERNATIVETITLE does apply in this case, as it applies in the case of all articles that have an alternative name for the topic it is about. It quite clearly states, "By the design of Wikipedia's software, an article can only have one title. When this title is a name, significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph. If there are three or more alternative names – including alternative spellings, longer or shorter forms, historic names, and significant names in other languages – or there is something notable about the names themselves, a separate name section is recommended." It also states, "All significant alternative titles, names, or forms of names that apply to a specific article should usually be made to redirect to that article." All of this does not only apply to topics about objects, but also to topics about people. "Judith Halberstam" redirects here, and we include it as the alternative name in the lead for obvious reasons. And MOS:MULTIPLENAMES stating that "one can introduce the name with either 'born' or 'formerly" doesn't mean "also known as" can never be used. And in a case such as this specifically, it is not the typical transgender case of the person considering their birth/old name a deadname or otherwise something to avoid. WP:GENDERID is an essay. And MOS:GENDERID tells us that "the MoS does not specify when and how to mention former names, or whether to give the former or current name first." Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 23:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: From his own website " I have debated switching out Jack for Jude to try to compress the name ambiguity into a more clear opposition between Judith and Jude. But then again … when it comes to names and pronouns, I am a bit of a free floater" ... " consider my gender improvised at best, uncertain and mispronounced more often than not, irresolvable and ever shifting" ..... " the back and forth between he and she sort of captures the form that my gender takes nowadays. Not that I am often an unambiguous “she” but nor am I often an unambiguous he … I think my floating gender pronouns capture well the refusal to resolve my gender ambiguity that has become a kind of identity for me." ...."So, while I could “transition” and still live in the ever-evolving, improvised territory of transgenderism…well, I prefer not to". Whether he is 'comfortable' is VERY relevant IMO. MOS:GENDERID is not an 11th Commandment to be followed slavishly and dogmatically, it allows us to deviate from our general rule of WP:COMMONNAME, ie how others generally refer to a subject, because of the specific sensibilities associated with gender identification. If the subject doesn't mind, why should we? Pincrete (talk) 16:42, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, MOS:GENDERID tells us that "the MoS does not specify when and how to mention former names, or whether to give the former or current name first." And although people have used MOS:GENDERID to argue against WP:COMMONNAME, MOS:GENDERID is not about article titles. It is a guideline, not a part of our WP:Article titles policy. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 23:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

text: Doc, I considered that overnight. Wikipedia has sometimes listened to BLP subjects via contacting them directly or them commenting on their Wikipedia talk page, including on naming issues with regard to gender. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 23:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

text: If they comment on the talk page, trust that they are who they say they are could happen if their account is confirmed via WP:OTRS. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I would ask them to make a tweet or FB post from their account so that it is publically verified. Until than I think it is reasonable to stick with the status quo. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Hi everyone! 
I made some edits to the Gaga Feminism section in an attempt to summarize in a bit more of a descriptive way. I struggled to find explanations for the tenets, however, and am not familiar enough with them myself to comment more. If anyone has further knowledge or examples, I think that would be a helpful clarification!  Heather.paglia (talk) 18:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaga Feminism