Talk:Claire Bennet/Archive 1

message: Er, it was pretty obvious she felt pain in the garbage disposal scene. -VJ 03:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Garbage disposal

message: Would a broken neck (turned 180 degrees) be considering instantaneous death? Because she survived that.--68.90.60.104 02:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Highly probable. Twisting a normal human's neck too far—especially like that—is an unrare method of killing. I'll make a note in the article. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breaking neck 

message: Wait, wait... do we really want to categorize Claire as Superhero? --DJ Chair 18:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you really ready to copy and paste your comments to talk pages? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: === Save the cheerleader. Save the world. ===
In case you haven't seen it, the new Heroes commercial says that if you "Save the cheerleader, (you) save the world". I guess that Clarie is important. dposse 01:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, add character-specific comments to character talk pages, as stated by Argash. Second, this is not a forum to discuss things such as TV commercials. Third, I faill to see the encyclopedic relevance of this new ad, I have removed your addition from the article. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How can you not see the relevance? They are giving us a hint to the main plot! Would you mind having a little faith in my edits, instead of assuming that i want to use this page as a forum? I created this discussion topic because, according to the commerical, Clarie is important enough that she will be a key to save the world. I'm sorry that i didn't put an obvious question in my post, i thought wikipedians were smart enough to not need one. and for the love of god, do not take that as a personal insult. thank you. dposse 17:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't take offense and I'm not as uppity as some Wikipedians, believe me. While I can see that the commercial was trying to impart the character's importance, it doesn't really give up something to write in an encyclopedia. I'd recommend waiting until the meaning has been made clear. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, i'm glad that there are some people on wikipedia that aren't complete jerks. Anyway, yeah, i guess that makes sense. dposse 00:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from [[Talk:Heroes (TV series)]] 

message: In case you haven't seen it, the new Heroes commercial says that if you "Save the cheerleader, (you) save the world". I guess that Clarie is important. dposse 01:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, add character-specific comments to character talk pages, as stated by Argash. Second, this is not a forum to discuss things such as TV commercials. Third, I faill to see the encyclopedic relevance of this new ad, I have removed your addition from the article. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How can you not see the relevance? They are giving us a hint to the main plot! Would you mind having a little faith in my edits, instead of assuming that i want to use this page as a forum? I created this discussion topic because, according to the commerical, Clarie is important enough that she will be a key to save the world. I'm sorry that i didn't put an obvious question in my post, i thought wikipedians were smart enough to not need one. and for the love of god, do not take that as a personal insult. thank you. dposse 17:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't take offense and I'm not as uppity as some Wikipedians, believe me. While I can see that the commercial was trying to impart the character's importance, it doesn't really give up something to write in an encyclopedia. I'd recommend waiting until the meaning has been made clear. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, i'm glad that there are some people on wikipedia that aren't complete jerks. Anyway, yeah, i guess that makes sense. dposse 00:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Save the cheerleader. Save the world. 

message: Evidently her healing powers seem to apply to the cheerleader outfit she constantly wears - that or she has an unlimited supply of them somewhere.  Here's the count so far: (more will be added as the show progresses, I'm sure.)
#Damaged after repeatedly dropping from the catwalk at an industrial site, burned in the train fire later.
#Lost after her attempted rape and "killing" by Brodey.  (Coroner's report states that she was found naked.)
#Presumably damaged beyond repair in her car accident.
#Severely blood-stained during Sylar's attack in the locker room, presumably beyond hope of cleaning.
--Lurlock 05:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I noticed that too.  Heh, it's funny, the high school budget for extra outfits must be substantial.  Then again, it is Texas, and they sure do love their football in TX. --DJ Chair 13:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When the firefighters showed up at Claire's school, I expected them to ask about the uniforms -- the guy checking her for burns ripped open one of her sleeves. If that cheerleader outfit does one or two more Wile E. Coyote-like resurrections, I seriously think it's a candidate to add to the trivia section, mentioned as an inconsistency in the series. BJ Nemeth 03:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you mean Tech E. Coyote, but yes. One of the many inconsistenciesm actually. Though I'd say this is fairly minor, like the way fictional characters always seem to wear the same clothes. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 03:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The third one doesn't really count because since she was in an accident the school probably would (or will) replace it. Presumably she would have a couple of spares. IIRC football players and hockey players usually have more than one uniform, as do military cadets. Either that, or Claire is skilled at clothes-craft! 23skidoo 05:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheerleader outfit count 

message: I have corrected a quote at the top of the page, where it mentioned her jumping from an 80-foot height. I believe the previous quote was "That was attempt number 6.", though the full quote is actually "This is Claire Bennet. And that was attempt number 6." according to Wikiquote:Heroes. Even while watching the show I specifially remember her stating her name in the sentence, although I'm not sure if the correct grammar is "...Bennet, and that was..." or "...Bennet. And that was...". I'm sure if it's incorrect someone will fix it. Bkid 09:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't a misquote; it was a partial quote, only taking the most important part of what she said.  "That was attempt number 6." is a perfectly legitimate shortening of her full speech.  --Psiphiorg 16:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If what you are saying is true, then how would one go about informing the user that it IS a partial quote and not full. If I was any other user reading that page I might not have known it was partial, and just thought that was what she said. Bkid 18:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, why is it necessary for the reader to know that she said "This is Claire Bennet" before the quote?  Most quotes are "partial quotes", as the term is used here.  Writers quote the phrase, sentence, or passage that's relevent to their point, and leave out the rest, unless the speaker's meaning would be altered.  In this case, "This is Claire Bennet" is unnecessary and does not need to be referred to. Primogen 19:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Partial quoting is a standard practice and doesn't need to be explained to the reader situationally. Quoting a full sentence or general monologue is the actual expection. As such, I've corrected the statement. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suicide(?) Attempt #6, misquote 

message: Okay, I've rewrote Claire's bio. You know, it's good that we're managing to make the bios a bit shorter and clearer, but it seems to me like some of the specific incidents are still given too much detail. 
Claire's whole subplot with Brody, for instance, I couldn't get it in less than two big paragraphs. We'll have to see, after one season, if the Brody thing will have been an important development for Claire. So far it seems like it is.
I'll try to re-write Mohinder next.
:I'm sure that as the series progresses and these characters gain more history, some of the earlier events will seem less important and can be eliminated from (or condensed in) their character bios.  By the way, was Claire "carefree and fun-loving" before she discovered her powers? Primogen 19:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We won't know until Six Months Ago. I think off-hand statements might have implied such, but really, I don't recall anything along the lines of "You've changed, Claire." Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Brody says stuff at the bonfire celebration about Claire formerly being the first to laugh at a joke, and stuff like that. I don't remember the whole dialogue, but that seems to be the only hint about Claire's behavior pre-powers, so I included it. Maybe it merits a repeated watching of the scene to see if I got it right. Renenarciso 22:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewriting Claire's bio 

message: Information in both the Claire and Zack articles comes from their respective Myspace pages. However, Myspace is notorious for having fake and unofficial profiles. Does NBC or anyone official claim that the profiles are in fact official? Is there a way to prove that these pages are, in fact, written by the creative team and/or advertising department? If there is no way to prove their validity, I would suggest removing the information gleaned from them. 130.18.33.135 23:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The NBC site links to Claire's MySpace page, both directly (click the bookbag in Claire's profile page) and indirectly (the easter egg in the on-line comic featuring Claire).  I think it's fairly safe to say that NBC endorses the site.  --Psiphiorg 23:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: MySpace is notorious for Mark Foley-esq scandals. IMDb is notorious for false info. Get your insults right! ;-) Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ... ¿qué? DJ Chair 19:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Myspace citations

message: So... i guess the spontaneous regeneration people are right now? WookMuff 10:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, wait, did Zach refer to Claire's powers as "spontaneous generation" when giving her the book?  There is still another issue from the original debate: the healing factor article describes Claire's abilities better than the spontaneous generation article.  Personally, I have no problem with describing Claire's ability as spontaneous generation, but I don't think the most recent episode resolved the debate. Primogen 16:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: technically, it was "regeneration". The Sureshes call it that, so Zach probably got it from the book. Perhaps, at the very least, we should redirect the term to one of the articles. I'm thinking, because of the usage, to healing factor. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if you guys are willing to do that, why is there an issue? Describing her powers as Spontaneous regeneration is as simple as simple can be 60.240.41.159 20:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need to make sure that everyone is on the same page, so that we don't start up another revert war, as these decisions about how to name/describe Heroes powers tends to do. Primogen 01:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spontaneous Regeneration 

message: As I was editting the article today, I noticed that the trivia section is really vital to the article. As recommend by reviewers and MOS alike, trivia sections should be avoided and any relavent information moved to more appropriate sections. I see nothing to move, so... Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: On the Official NBC Website it list Claire's age as 17. I know in The Episode the Fix Claire finds out that a woman died in a fire 14 years ago and so did her 18 month old daughter. The woman who "died" in the fire was her mother and she was alive. You probably think Hey She is 15. I checked the NBC Website and it list her age as 17. Could somebody contact NBC and confirm her age. Her age is directly revealed as 17 not 15.
*There's a scene in "The Fix" in which Claire said to her father that she's "almost 16" and she needs to migrate her teddy bears. Perhaps you should check that part out to clarify properly. DivineLady 05:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To expand on this, the scene is with her father, in Claire's bedroom. She says, "I'm almost 16, Dad. Bears and talks can't last forever." Seems pretty definite to me. --Ckatzchatspy 05:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the brody who is willing to risk charges of rape to get laid - he wouldn't care about a mere traffic violation.  And don't forget that the script writers may have just forgotten at that point. The scene in "The Fix" establishes her age as 15.Dejvid 14:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claire's age 

message: I realize  that the current pic is the publicity shot that NBC gave out, but i wonder if anyone else has looked at it recently. Its quite unflattering, and puts bennet in a confrontational pose that has not been a staple of her life recently. 
Does anyone else think we should change the picture, maybe to a screenshot? Futurebillionaire 19:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Hang on, did Matt shoot her in the chest or the throat?  I was rather under the impression that he shot her in the throat.  I could be wrong, of course.  --Arwen undomiel 23:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Scratch that.  I just saw the episode and I think I was wrong.  --Arwen undomiel 01:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gunshot wound

message: Shouldn't Claire's power be called a healing factor, I know Suresh called her ability spontaneously regenerate, which is another word for healing factor, also it easier to remember- RREDD13 20:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Becuase spontaneous regeneration basically means she can heal.—++ hippi ippi ++ 13:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree.  We take what is given to us.  Arwen undomiel 01:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you agree with? — hippi ippi++++ 10:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you, as you make more sense. One thing I don't get... isn't healing factor basically a Marvel term, coming from Wolverine, then Deadpool, Sabretooth and other Weapon-Xers and finally anyone with rapid healing abilities. If so, it isn't even a good NPOV term to use. WookMuff 10:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Healing factor is a Marvel term, but it's been coined as a term for any healing ability. I agree with keeping it Spontaneous Regeneration, since that is her power. For example, in Mutant X, characters with the ability to heal are called Regeneratives, and thats what their wiki page states. Jacobshaven3 11:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power 

message: It seems to me that her birth father's name is Petrelli--therefore her birth name is Petrelli.  It's not speculative at all.  Claire Petrelli should be included as an alternate name.  It's not speculation.  It's not original research.  It's sound and solid based on the evidence presented in the show.  "Claire Petrelli" should be somewhere in the article, not just a simple redirect.
MahlerFan 15:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: actually, it is speculative, you are not automatically given a name at birth, Nathan wasn't in Claire's life at all, so why would the mother give her the last name of "Petrelli"... its speculative... -Xornok 16:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, who is to say her name is really Claire? WookMuff 01:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Her birth certificate would say that her name is Claire Bennet, because when you are legally adopted as a newborn infant the paperwork is filled in as if you were born to your adoptive parents.—MJBurrage • TALK • 06:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Her fake birth certificate, with fake details of her life. I don't think a court would find a falsified document like that legally binding. I am not saying that her name isn't Claire Bennet, just that her Birthcert in this instance is hardly the most reliable form of documentation. WookMuff 07:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't agree.  It's entirely possible to arrange a specific adoption.  In fact, it's much easier than trying to establish a birth that never happened.  It's a simple matter of declaring the baby abandoned and begining adoption proceedings.  Therefore her actual legal birth certificate would read Jane Doe (with some form of middle name to distinguish from the other babies abandoned that year).  It's much simpler to claim she was abandoned and do things the legal way than to try and bribe and blackmail and coerce your way through the system.  Padillah 13:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Petrelli Name

message: In the episode Run!, her age, as said by her biological mother is 16. My edit, reverting someone who changed her age to 15, was reverted. I am going to change it back, but I am trying to avoid an edit war. Please reply here if there are any comments/concerns/reasons about this, before reverting the edit again. --WillMak050389 01:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is all about context. When Claire said she was "nearly 16" that was fairly straight forward. However, when Claire's biological mother said something along the lines of she is a 16yr old girl, it was just a throw away comment. So unless their is proof that Claire's celebrated birthday and her actual date of birth are different, or until claire has a birthday, she is 15. WookMuff 01:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that we can prove that this is a "throw away comment". Her mom explicitly states she is "sixteen-years old". We do not know that she hasn't recently turned 16 and it just wasn't in the show. I think we can use her mother's quote as a reference. But my comments are by no means the law, so if anyone else has a thought, please reply here about it. I think we need to come to a consensus about this. --WillMak050389 02:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The two conversations take place within at most 72 hours. The end of Fix leads directly to the beginning of Distractions and ditto Distractions to Run! and each of those episodes takes place over the span of a day, give or take. I think that Claire's birthday would probably have been mentioned. The only way that Claire is 16 is if the birthday she knows is not her actual birthday. Also, if Claire was 18 months old 14 years ago then she would be 15 & 1/2 years old. But then I don't think 14 years is anymore of a definite figure than I think 16 years was WookMuff 06:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: and with the moms mental state slowly diminishing and the years of having of her memory wiped affecting her memory, its more reliable to go with what Claire says rather then her adopted mother... -Xornok 03:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is Claire's biological mother (Meredith Gordon) that mentions that she is sixteen. --WillMak050389 03:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I am aware of that, but a random comment by someone who misunderstood doesn't change the validity of MY statements WookMuff 10:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's verifiable that Claire is stated as sixteen, what is not verifiable is your opinion that it's a "throw-away comment". Matthew 16:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is also verifiable that she is nearly 16 and that she doesn't have a birthday over the three ep span between the two comments, because there IS no space between them. They follow directly on. WookMuff 22:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: But that would be OR. As it stands we have the following comments about claire's age. She is nearly 16 by her own admission, she is 16 by her mothers statement, and she is 15 and a half if you judge by the news reports (18 month old baby, died 14 years ago). So until Claire has a birthday, either on screen or mentioned, I still say we leave it at 15. WookMuff 06:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but why is this such a big deal?  15, 16, does it matter? Thats only one year apart, which really is nothing. —++ hippi ippi ++ 13:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because I am picky? Because there are a lot of statements but to my mind (and I assume the other people who have reverted the changes) the most definitive statement was Claire's "nearly 16" (or was it almost 16... it has been a while). I don't know about you but I often use "near enough" ages when referring to people, calling a 15 year 11 month old person 16, but I have never used "nearly 16" to mean 16. WookMuff 10:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry, but I don't understand you.  You said you would refer to people who are 15yrs and 11mths as "16", but you wouldn't say "nearly 16" to mean "16".  You are contradicting yourself becuase 15yrs and 11mths is nearly 16. — hippi ippi++++ 09:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: You not understanding doesn't mean I am contradicting myself, it merely means you don't understand. I might call someone who was 15yrs11months 16, because I am lazy. But I would never say that I was "nearly 16" if I was, in fact, 16. WookMuff 09:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is different to what you said last time.  Initially, you said that you "have never used "nearly 16" to mean 16" and now you are saying that you wouldn't use the phrase "nearly 16" if you were 16.  Your first claim is completely different to your second claim.  But anyway, I agree with your second claim as it's simply illogical.  Can we just get back to Claire? She says she's "nearly 16", her mother thinks shes 16 and according to the timeline, she's "15 and a half".  So I agree with the current information in the infobox. Oh but wait, so do you. — hippi ippi++++ 11:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claire's Age (again) 

message: May I ask what is the signifigance of the Family and Relationships section if nearly all of that information is shown in the infobox? ♣Tohru Honda13♣ 00:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The purpose of that would be to describe how she relates to those family members (i.e. 'Peter and Claire met when Peter saved her life.  The two have not been together very often, but they appear to share a sort of bond.  Later it is revealed that he is her uncle') and with others (like Zach or, in the alternate future shown in 'Five Years Gone', Andy) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gigawolf1 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family and Relationships section 

message: As of Parasite, Claire is the only character to appear in every episode portrayed by the same actor.
Who played baby Claire in Company Man? I suspect it was not Hayden Panettiere. -HiFiGuy 22:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, Panettiere did play Claire in Company Man.  It was the episode where Claire was shot and she saved Sprague from the house, so she has still been portrayed by the same actor in every episode.  Arwen undomiel 23:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hayden go seek 

message: Shouldn't we make a note some where in either Hiro's or Claie's pages the because of future Hiro travelling back in time to tell Peter to "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" because in the ([]} that claire died?- RREDD13 00:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  This was simply mentioned by future Hiro and doesn't bear enough weight to be considered encyclopedic information on a particular character's bio.  Were there a page devoted to various alternate realities in the Heroes universe, then maybe. Windmillninja 15:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alter time line 

message: Before she was adopted by Bennet, would her real last name be Clare Petrelli? Claire Gordon? I've been trying to figure this out for awhile.Nocarsgo 12:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do people assume her real first name was Claire? Anyway, until something verifiable comes along, Claire Bennet is the only name that matters. WookMuff 12:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Before she was adopted her real name was "Jane Doe".  She would have to be reported as an abandoned baby and as such have no name yet.  Padillah 13:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real last name? 

message: Many portions of this article appear to be episode summaries.  For example the background section is nothing more than a summary of Six Months Ago that just pulls out the parts about her.  For example:
Jackie brings Claire her cheerleading uniform and tries to force her to put it on. Claire says she will try it on later and Jackie explains that there are other people on the list who would like to be cheerleaders. At this remark Claire tugs the uniform from Jackie's hands but in doing so smashes into a glass case cutting her hand. When they show Claire's parents, Mrs. Bennet says that Claire might need stitches. After Claire, Jackie, and Mrs. Bennet leave for the hospital the phone rings and Mr. Bennet answers. It is Chandra Suresh informing him of Claire's power.
This is too detailed for this article and sections like these need to be shortened up and made more concise.  I'll be working on it off and on but could use some help.  -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  05:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, go ahead.  Remember, be bold (but don't leave out anything important... or anything that supports something important).  It's the inclusion of comprehensive information that has led to the situation you are describing.  Most of us are not professional editors so we wouldn't be very versed on how to cut the above article to the relavent information and it's supporting facts without making it sound like we're hiding something.  But, by all means, feel free to clean away!  Padillah 12:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: This goes for a lot of the character related articles. Cloud02 18:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character article or episode summary? 

message: Hey, I have only seen a few episodes of this show but I was at the Wikiproject page and noticed that this article has recently been peer reviewed.  It's a shame when nobody responds.  I recently ran a peer review for Paulo (Lost) from Lost and it did not really help me at all.  Actually I have nominated the article for featured article status and it may be helpful.  One thing that should happen is the plot summary shortened.  I have heard that Heroes is a complex series, but every detail does not need to be listed.  The first season is just finishing and (based on commercials and the odd information I hear about the show) Claire seems like she might stick around for a while, which mean that this page can only get longer.  So, if in one episode Claire plays a minor role (i.e. camera shows her walking or having some conversations that have little effect on future episodes), you don't need to mention it.  Also, search through a Heroes fansite of TV Guide.com to find interviews with Hayden Panettiere or Tim Kring about how the character was created or developed.  You should also read and quote some entertainment reporters at Entertainment Weekly.com to see how fans have reacted to the character, and mention awards that she has been nominated for.  --thedemonhog talk contributions 22:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I most certainly agree with you.  However, the Heroes pages are filled with Heroes die hard fans, who insist that every detail about each character must be mentioned in the article.  I also find this to be annoying and pointless, as most of these articles simply retell the events of each episode.  Peter Petrelli is just as bad as this article.  I have not tried to edit the articles myself, because I know my efforts will be reverted.  Talk:Peter Petrelli#Too much information is an example of a slight edit war. —  « hippi ippi » 13:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: What kind of cell phone does she use in the show? Steviedpeele 18:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this important to the plot or character? —  « hippi ippi » 13:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Two things; 1) Please sign your posts.  It's difficult to address a person without some sort of handle.  2) You are completely incorrect.  It is not the function of Wikipedia to record every fact regardless of how minuscule.  This can be attested to by reading the avoid trivia and notability articles.  And most especially by reading what Wikipedia is NOT.  What cell phone she uses is simple product placement and thus an advertisement (which wikipedia also shouldn't support).  All in all, other than getting Hippy Ippy's name right, I think you missed full stop.  Padillah 13:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: First off, it is not the function of an encyclopedia to include all knowledge, that would be a ludicrous goal in print media (and pretty far-fetched for Internet media too).  That's why every encyclopedia has guidelines for inclusion, so they know when to stop and print the darn thing.  That Claire uses a cellphone or text messages frequently speaks to her comfort with technology.  What brand of cellphone she has says nothing about her character.  It doesn't indicate how honest, or libelous, or quick-tempered, or snide she is.  It's just product placement, like the Nissans.  Now, to answer your questions in order: No, No, everyone, and in point of fact, that is a very good argument.  Seeing how the presence of this show has not impacted anything real-world it is not notable and should be removed.  If you visit the Mohinder Suresh article this is a current issue.  Now you are starting to catch on (but you are still not signing).  Padillah 16:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cell Phone 

message: how is saving claire saving the world? it didn't seem like she did anything to stop the explosion to 'me. please help
:it might be because claire convinced nathan to help peter. because of that nathan flew peter away so that he wouldn't explode the NY - KnoItAll
Claire does not save the world, saving claire, is what saves the world. If sylar killed her, he would be able to regenerate, thus when hiro stabbed sylar, it would be inneffective.69.118.144.236 22:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Save the World? 

message: Recently, there have been edits made comparing Claire's powers to Adam Monroe.  The most current wording seems better than the previous entry, but still appears like speculation.  I am suggesting that comparisons be left out until there is more hard evidence.  Jmjanssen 05:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: a logical inference yes, but wikipedia is not a place for inferences.  I personally agree that you are probably right, but there is no evidence as such.  As far as it being speculation, you have said so yourself, it is a "logical inference" = speculative.  Reasonable, yes, but without a source it is not encyclopedic.  Thank you for discussing this! Jmjanssen 08:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison to Adam Monroe

message: I have attempted to condense the character history to be more concise and without describing every detail of what happens to her in every episode. I also condensed the art section. Please make comments and changes before I put this version up live. It can be seen at Talk:Claire Bennet/Temp. --iTocapa t 05:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would do away with the constant episode references and simply cite the episodes.  It really interferes with the flow of the article.  Padillah 13:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I somewhat agree. I think since this is relevant to every character article, you should also bring it up on the Project Talk page, as there is currently a discussion going on over there regarding the need to condense all the character biographies. --iTocapa t 17:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup attempt 

message: I notice that the Petrellis have been categorized as Fictional Italian-Americans. Since Claire is the daughter of Nathan Petrelli (who is Italian-American), would she count as well? ZZ  Claims ~ Evidence  04:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there's no evidence that any of the Petrellis are Italian-American. Josh (talk | contribs) 05:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, which is why I asked the question. Though the name Petrelli is indeed Italian, that doesn't mean the family is. ZZ  Claims ~ Evidence  01:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian-American? 

message: I'd like to get rid of the alternate future sections. They are outdated and invalid since Peter stopped that version of the future from happening. Yes, I understand there are references to the future in the new season but to keep the information on the off chance that it will be related to something that might come up is the embodiment of WP:CRYSTAL. We need to purge these sections. padillaH (review me)(help me) 13:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we still need the Alternate Future section?