Talk:Interstate 90 in Ohio

message: This article is about I-90 (Ohio), not about the Ohio Turnpike, although they are the same road for 142 miles coming east from the Indian border.  I find this in the table for exit 142:
"I-80 west / Ohio Tpk. – Toledo"
"Eastbound exit, westbound entrance; eastern end of the I-80/Ohio Tpk. concurrency"
Come to think of it, I will change the "concurrency" note to read "eastern end of concurrency with I-80/Ohio Tpk." to cut down on possible confusion, because I-80 and Ohio Tpk. are the same road on both sides of this interchange.  If you are actually exiting I-90 here, you can only do so eastbound, staying on I-80/Ohio Tpk. as I-90 jogs over to merge with Ohio 2.  Other than the "concurrency" note, I will make no change at this time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.52.3 (talk) 19:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  exit 142 

message: 71.10.247.40 (talk) 01:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: –Fredddie™ 02:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  collapesed infobox 

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message: I have found two instances where I-90 might have run with SR 2 either temporarily or unofficially or both.
First, this webpage (full disclosure: on the website which I maintain) has fair-use snippets of two maps, one official, one commercial, which show I-90 following the Cleveland Memorial Shoreway westward past downtown Cleveland then south on the never-built Parma Freeway to the current alignment. However, the location maps on the Northwest-Clark Freeway Study, #6, dated 1963, and the Clark Freeway Study, #8, dated 1966, specifically show this routing as non-Interstate. Even with the brief period in question, I-90 might have been posted along the West Shoreway which already existed.
Second, a Lorain newspaper article from 1966, transcribed here, states that "C. F. Crissinger, assistant division engineer for the Ohio Department of Highways at Ashland, told The Journal that the designation of the [freeway] route [from Cleveland to Sandusky] as I-90 is a predictable eventuality, and that after the road is completed, a public hearing will be held to formally designate it", which means that the extant open parts, however few, may have been posted as I-90 even if that hadn't been formally designated, and even if they weren't, this quote might be worth noting. Related to this, where I-90 went from the Ohio Turnpike/I-80 to the portion of the SR 2 freeway where it actually was officially designated before the connector at current Turnpike Exit 142 was built, c.1976, is ambiguous. For instance the USGS topos for Lorain from 1960 and 1969 show 90 following 80/Turnpike (80N on the 1960 one) to the east edge of the map, just west of SR 57 (current Exit 145). This implies that 90 followed 57 north to the 2 freeway, a supposition supported by the fact that 57 was upgraded to eliminate crossroads between the Turnpike and 2 freeway, a condition which has been downgraded in recent years. However, the topo to the east, Avon, has a different set of editions, and the closest to the other two maps, 1963, shows 90 already on the proposed 2 freeway at the west edge of that map. (2 itself is shown still following US 6 along the Lake Erie shoreline.) Unfortunately, the maps in the ODOT archive don't show enough detail.
Any suggestions on reliable sources to prove or disprove these?
Mapsax (talk) 15:58, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is in no way a smoking gun, but older signs on the west shoreway don't say to 90.  Cards84664 (talk) 17:44, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I would just stick with what we know for sure based on the maps (i.e. what can be adequately sourced), rather than any speculation or suppositions. Obviously if we find another map or a photo that clearly shows parts signed as I-90, then we can change it as needed. As for the entrance ramps to the Shoreway at W. 3rd, that's fairly typical to not include "to" when it's close to the merge. It's similar to signs at the interchange with I-271, I-480, and US 422, which also omit "to". For instance, the sign on 480 eastbound just says "East 480" and "South 271" even though it's still a few miles before 480 actually merges with 271. Same for the adjacent sign to North 271 and 422 (both seen here) and the entrance ramps on that section (seen here). --JonRidinger (talk) 20:58, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  I-90 vs. [[Ohio State Route 2]] 

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