Talk:Seven Sages of Greece

message: You must delete word greek from this article because from all the sources it is shown that word greek is created late at 15th century and the word greek was not in use durin 500 bc and 600 bc. You don't have the right to describe a period of time with a wrong name as name greek is. You shall call the period 500 bc and 600 bc with its right name Hellas, Hyllas, Helios, Ilion, Illyricum, illyrian and hellenes for the period of 500 bc and 600 bc but you don't have the right to use word Greece and greek for this period. Greece did not existed in 500 bc and it is illiteratelly wrong action to name Greece in that period. Please this is an historical information and we have to be very careful of using the right terms describin historical facts and places. Please kindly remove word greek and Greece from this article as they dont belong to the truth.˜˜˜˜  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.32.20.18 (talk) 12:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: This article is in serious need of inline citations. It's as if the whole this is OR. --Kimontalk 19:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: The current version of the article has these two claims:  "These succinct utterances never gave a direct answer. They were always in the form of an enigma, or riddle."  Of course they are unsourced, as almost everything else in the article.  But my problem with these 2 claims is that they are false.  Isokrates 13:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pythia 

message: The current version of the article includes the following: "Pausanias must have seen the engravings, as he wanted to substitute Myson of Chenae, who appears in Plato's list, instead of Periander, a tyrant. This is evidence that the basis of selection was not general wisdom but the ability to produce great maxims (paroimia)."  I've thought about it for some time; but I can't understand why anyone would say this.  First of all - never mind, for a second, the bit of "evidence" in question here - I think there's no reason at all to think that the Seven (whoever is included) were designated "sage/wise" because of their ability to produce great maxims and not their general wisdom.  For one thing, the evidence for many of the maxims attributed them is shakey at best.  More importantly, even if they were known for certain maxims, they clearly were held "sage/wise" because of the wisdom it took to think of such insights; is this sort of wisdom anything other than general in nature?  Also, we know that most (if not all) of the Seven were influential political men; that alone would establish them as "wise" in the mind of a typical ancient Greek.  Now we can consider the bit of "evidence" that is supposed (according to the claims quoted above) to show that the Seven were selected not because of general wisdom but because of ability to produce great maxims:  i.e., Pausanias' wanting to include Myson among the Seven rather than Periander.  First of all, there is no good evidence to think that either of the two had a greater ability to produce maxims.  Also, there is no particular reason to think that Myson had less "general wisdom" than Periander, even though we do know that the latter was a tyrant (but we should keep in mind that the former, according to Diogenes, was son of a tyrant).  So I don't get the claims.  Isokrates 20:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Baffling Claim in the current article 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 04:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: I really enjoyed reading the article regarding the "Seven Sages of Greece" & find it great loss that it is taken out. For those with more in-depth interests it had good links to follow up. A lot about ancient culture is unknown to us or even if we find things "more scientifically up-to-date" the essence is about pondering on the wisdom and here the article gets a top rating from me. At the end of the day it is for anybody truly interested in the Greek sages and their timeless quotes not interesting if the oracle ate or ate not laurel leaves. But what is definitely of importance is the wisdom they spoke & point of view & creed by which the Greeks lived! I would really like to see this article restored & perhaps we could work on it together? Would be great. The points and discoveries of science will constantly change (e.g.as we see with the pyramids - how often did "science" change their age - yet their wondrous beauty is unchanged and that is what leads to more timeless discoveries of phi & geometry! This is the wonderful part of that architecture and that which leads the mind on! Their factual age is the least important part!). --Proserpina1 (talk) 09:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: I've recently added some much-needed reliable content & sources to the article.  Also, I removed the fancy List that someone added a while back.  It was not properly sourced and is, in any case, not "standard" by any reasonable scholarly standard, particularly considering the fact (now explained in the article) that there was wide disagreement over whether the pithy maxims can be legitimately attributed to the Sages and over which sage was supposed to have introduced which saying (see especially Diogenes Laertius 1.41-42). However, given how fancy the list was, I am loath to cosign it to the trash heap, so I've pasted below, if anyone is interested in viewing it.  It's just too bad that whoever it was who put all the work into it didn't bother to source it properly or raise any of the scholarly issues just mentioned....  Isokrates (talk) 18:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Some Content & Reliable Sources 

message: Any known source for this?
Bazuz (talk) 21:14, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chilon and the militarization of sparta? 

message: I have found no discussion or consensus reached about changing the date format from BC/AD to BCE/CE, which should have been done as stated in WP:ERA before such a change was made. As a result, this can be classed as a violation of policy and as such will be reverted unless there are any objections. Dalek (talk) 12:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: BC was introduced in 2004. BCE has been in use since this 2005 edit, 11 edits later. I propose BCE be kept --JimWae (talk) 21:07, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: BCE has been used in this article for six years, no less, and it seems to have done no harm at all. I agree that it should be kept. Haploidavey (talk) 22:03, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date format reversion 

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Thanks for reading the end of the article and considering it. Apisite (talk) 05:11, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Five Sages and Two Tyrants? 

message: This article didn't make sense as I read it, because it listed a bunch of options for the 5th and 6th sages, and then listed possible "substitutions", as if Myson and (seemingly) Cleobulus were already on the list. I've cleaned things up somewhat by adding Myson and Cleobulus, using Plato as the source, but the discussion doesn't mention who substitutes out Cleobulus, and for whom.
Also, there's a Seven Sages infobox that includes Periander and puts Myson in parentheses. We should make it consistent with this article or vice-versa. Rxtreme (talk) 18:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency among the Seven Sages