Talk:Pyroluria

message: This articles does not state clearly enough that Hoffer is a proto-orthomolecular, that mainstream medicine does not recognise this condition (see Pubmed:Pyroluria) and that it therefore not seen as an explanation for the symptoms/conditions listed. Pyroles/*urine (MESH) gives a huge amount of results, most of which are bona fide studies looking at forms of porphyria. JFW | T@lk 18:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What is pyroluria, is it an accepted clinical entity and what are the treatment? --WS 21:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Yes", in some orthomolecular, environmental and naturopathic medical circles. Apparently Pfeiffer, Osmond and Abram Hoffer failed to associate too few benefits to any permanent trank deficiency treatment recommendation. (Hoffer & co say to use tranks, etc sparingly and to ween with OM trmt as rapidly as possible).  Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine and similar, conventionally proscribed medical publications can probably better answer such inquiries.  Note: I didn't partake even a pickle from the ~16x~20"deli platter in the student residents' lounge, either (I was invited, by an appropriate official) ;->>--TheNautilus 04:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Q: How do I link all of the footnotes that are refferenced from the "same" hyperlink to the same footnote?  I would like to have the footnote listed and then repeat listings cited underneath with "quoting" the text, if possible.  Thank you for your help. OnaTutors | T@lk 15:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A: See Help:Footnotes. The first instance you use Actual text of reference. Further instances you use . Don't forget the slash (/), which closes the tag in the same instance. See coeliac disease, where this is used extensively to refer to the main reference (VanHeelWest) in 12 instances. JFW | T@lk 08:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia editing and formating questions

message: I do not believe this article should be discussing a specific product and linking to the purchasing site.  In this case, Ethical Nutrients: Zinc Status. Deepnchilled 16:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  WP:NOT#SOAPBOX.  The text was a verbatim copy from the site it referenced and merely was here to sell the product. Cburnett 17:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Q:Is there another way to inform the public about such a test?There are many different brands that test for zinc status.I would like to inform the public of the ease of use of managing zinc status levelsusing this simple liquid zinc status test, instead of expensive blood tests.Thank you for your help.  I do not intend to indorse any one particular product over another.I am simply a satisfied user of Zinc Status and I am very greatful for its easy of use, for this difficult to manage condition.I appreciate the feedback and any helpful suggestions.  OnaTutors | T@lk 23:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A: Is there no reference that lists or compares all available zinc tests. If such a reference does not exist, is this still notable enough for inclusion in the article. JFW | T@lk 08:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethical Nutrients: Zinc Status 

message: The page is a huge mess, I'm doing a big re-work.  First, I'm re-formatting the references to make it more obvious that when you click on the link, it's an external link.  I moved the sections that were just external links into the external links section.  More to come.  WLU 14:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A mess 

message: The sections I'm pasting below don't add anything to the article that I can see.  Here's my problems with them, in bold italics beneath the sections:
Vitamins and supplements
;;vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine)
DEFICIENCY
TOXICITY
(VITAMIN B6) SOURCES
 
Little to no dream recall - 
Peripheral neuropathy - 
Constant nightmares - An individual should be taking enough vitamin B6 to be having two to three "pleasant" dreams on a weekly basis.
;;This should link to the article, there is no need for a huge table and picture on an article that isn't on the main topic of B6
*Main article Vitamin B6 — Pyridoxine
;;This is not a main article, this is an external link
Betaine HydrochlorideBetain Hydrochloride altmedicine.about.com, Cathy Wong; your guide to ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE (Acessed: February 2007) 
DEFICIENCY
TOXICITY
(BETAINE HYDROCHLORIDE) SOURCES
*Main article: Betaine Hydrochloride
;;Same comments as above - no need for a big table, and not a main article
*Look for a capsule (not tablet) that contains both betaine hydrocloride and pepsin.  It should be taken at the start of a meal, and the dose depends on the size of the meal.
*Betaine Hydrocloride should only be taken under the supervision of a health care practitioner, because too much may lead to stomach bleeding or ulcers even in the absence NSAIDS, or asprin.  People who have peptic ulcer disease or abdominal pain, also, should not take betaine hydrocloride.  If abdominal pain, burning, discomfort, or dark stools occur, it should be discontinued immediately.http://altmedicine.about.com/od/healthquizzesandtools/a/hypoclorhydria_2.htm "Natural Treatments for Hypoclorhydria" From: Cathy Wong; your guide to ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE (August 24, 2005) 
;;Nothing in this section that links it to pyroluria.  Why are there external links being masked as wikilinks?  And the tone is not appropriate, it should be third person, and the reasoning for the instructions should be included - we're not doctors.
Omega-3 fatty acid
 
DEFICIENCY
TOXICITY
(OMEGA-3) SOURCES
 
 
Fish and Fish Oil 
Mustard
*Main article: Seafood Allergy
Omega-6 fatty acid
DEFICIENCY
TOXICITY
(OMEGA-6) SOURCES
Borage Oil 
Evening Primrose Oil 
Pumpkin Seeds 
Magnesium
DEFICIENCY
TOXICITY
(MAGNESIUM) SOURCES
Manganese
DEFICIENCY
TOXICITY
(MANGANESE) SOURCES
Zinc
DEFICIENCY
TOXICITY
(ZINC) SOURCES
White Spots on the Fingernails - 
Severe Stress -  As stress increases, Zinc is depleted from the body.  During this time zinc-intake should be increased until adequate levels are met. 
;;Why are these tables here?
*Main article: ZincZinc www.healthy.net, Elson M. Haas M.D. (Accessed February 2007)
;;Again, this is NOT a main article, it is an external link.
*Zinc Deficiency, Metal Metabolism, and Behavior DisordersHealth Research Institute and Pfeiffer Treatment Center: Leaders in the research and treatment of biochemical imbalances,
;;Why is this here?  Should be a reference or an external link.
Zinc Deficiency, Metal Metabolism, and Behavior Disorders,www.hriptc.org, William J. Walsh (Accessed 25 March 2007) 
*The Analyst - Zinc Requirement The Analyst - Zinc Requirement www.DigitalNaturopath.com, (Accessed 5 March 2007)
;;Again, should be references or external links
There's other stuff too, I'll go through it.  I'm concerned about the external links as well, I'll look at them one by one.  Also, some of the references are pretty iffy, but I'm not going to remove them 'cause I don't know enough.  WLU 15:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections 

message: I agree with a number of the concerns expressed above by JFW; also, this article relies on sources that don't appear to meet WP:RS, and are not of a high quality.  The article needs a substantial revamping, to report information based only on reliable sources.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources 

message: Food allergies, also known as cerebral allergies,Cerebral Allergies are common in individuals with Pyroluria.Safe Harbor: International Guide to the World of Alternative Mental Health Brain Allergies, AlternativeMentalHealth.com, Patrick Holford, accessed 9 March 2007  Some foods may also be helpful in the treatment of pyroluria.Ask Cure Zone Community Foods to Help Pyroluria, CureZone.com, White Tiger, accessed 8 March 2007. 
SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Diet

message: As there no longer are any tags noting the need for citations, I'm removing the boxes that state otherwise.--Alterrabe (talk) 09:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation deficiency 

message: This page describes Pyroluria as being unreal. Everything said about the illness is quickly taken back with comments like, "However, pyroluria is not considered related to schizophrenia in conventional medicine". I had no luck editing the page, as all I really did was get rid of most of what the page originally stated. If this page is going to explain what Pyroluria is, that's what it should do. Nobody is here to express their opinions in their pages (at least I think so, it doesn't really matter) and Pyroluria doesexist.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.246.44 (talk) 01:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at Flat Earth or Hollow Earth to get an idea how Wikipedia deals with ideas about science that are believed by some, but not accepted by the scientific community. Tim Vickers (talk) 01:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is such a huge difference between the "flat earth theory," instantly disproved by airline travel, and pyroluria, which has never conclusively been proved or disproved, that the comparison seems unwarranted to me.--Alterrabe (talk) 17:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Can you provide the reference for this? Nature, BMJ, the Lancet - any of the big ones will do. Verbal chat 19:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description 

message: :
a few dozen hits in both google books and google scholars. This appears to fall under WP:FRINGE, and a merge based on WP:NOTE may be fully appropriate. --dab (𒁳) 19:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've supported the merge at the discussion on Talk:Orthomolecular medicine. Verbal chat 19:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability?

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thread_title:  Heather Graham