Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages

message: I noticed that the world in Seasons was called Labrynna here. That's actually the name for the world in Ages, I changed the names accordingly. I also renamed the picture from Labrynna to Holodrum. Zig 19:24, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  older entries 

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
#It is stable.
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#It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
#:a (tagged and captioned):  b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
#Overall: 
#:a Pass/Fail: 
Looks good! -- Underneath-it-All 18:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Promotion 

message: Both articles on both games are basically the same. I suggest a merge of the two articles. I also added spoiler warnings for both articles to assist in earning featured status. Legedevin 00:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merged. Pagrashtak 06:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks. Legedevin 10:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Oracle of Ages?

message: I added the spoiler tags again to the plot section. If you think it's unnecessary, then feel free to remove it. But I don't think most players expect that Twinrova's involved in whatever's happening, including lighting the flames. There's also an ending section, which should definitely have spoiler warnings in any case. Legedevin 22:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Tags 

message: Do you think the Plot section looks better before or after the Gameplay section? Legedevin 23:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it flows better with the Plot section first. Pagrashtak 00:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always been a proponent of plot, then gameplay.  I feel that gameplay sections are difficult to understand if you don't know what the character is supposed to be doing.  I have heard it argued, though, that gameplay is the most important thing that the casual reader wants to know, so it should be first, but I don't agree.  I think the casual reader most wants to know what the game is about. Maybe the best solution would be have a short plot intro sentence or two in the introductory paragraph, then progress into the gameplay and then the full plot disclosure.  Any thoughts?  This should really be brought up in the videogames WikiProject. Sraan 15:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not feasible to split to plot into two separate sections. As far as the ordering of the plot and gameplay sections, it depends on the article. The order that flows best should be selected. Pagrashtak 16:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick question 

message: Discussion about whether the Zelda Oracle articles should be merged is taking place at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages. Pagrashtak 19:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

message: Anyone else feel the need to start the nomination over again? The Placebo Effect 02:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's hold off for a little bit—does anyone want to discuss the merge? I'm not sure where we are on this. I'd like to be the one to nominate, if you don't mind, since I've been putting so much into this. Pagrashtak 04:04, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: If anyone wants to discuss, please do so at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Zelda Oracle merge discussion. Pagrashtak 04:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA

message: The sentence "Oracle of Ages concentrates on puzzles, while Seasons focuses on action" is somewhat flawed. Ages has plenty of action and vice versa. The games lean toward action or puzzles, but doesn't concentrate on them. Also, I suggest you find references and add something that talks about how Seasons throws back to the original LOZ (tree "doors", old men with hints in the dungeons, the first dungeon, etc.)  while Ages contains a better plot, like OOT. Legedevin 11:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another stupid suggestion. 

message: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages are two complete, standalone games. Why are they treated with one article? If all games that use the the exact same engine as another should be merged into the article of the game engine they use, then be consistent. Merge Doom with Doom II and the like. Alternately, can someone link me to where the discussion on this actually took place? The T 18:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with this being one article.  I always understood them to be essentially two halves of the same game, released at the same time to interact with each other, and playable in either order.  I think that was pretty much the intention.Rglong 06:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this not two articles? 

message: Can someone get rid of the Age of Empires Pic? What is it doing in the middle of this article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.196.114.8 (talk • contribs).
:What are you talking about? Pagrashtak 18:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed the issue yesterday. — Deckiller 18:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Age of Empires Pic

message: After the credits of the linked ending for The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons, Link is seen departing from Labrynna/Hololdrum in a ship with a sail towards a storm (seen in the "The End" screen). In The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, during the opening, Link is seen sailing in a storm, on a ship with a sail (rolled up, mind you). This suggests that The legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons are a prequel to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening.
I posted this possibility on the page about a week ago, but it was removed for some reason. So I thought I'd bring this issue to the talk page. --Wiitbred 04:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I re-posted this possibility earlier today and it was again removed for "speculation". How is this speculation? Every one of the timeline theories fail to make this connection, why? It's so obvious! Wiitbred 23:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it is speculation. They have never been officially labeled as the same Links, and that's what makes it speculation and WP:OR. It'd be different if they explicitly were the same Link, as is the case with Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass and Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh ok, but I did include the fact that the game ended with link sailing towards a storm and a picture of the shot. Wiitbred 00:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What the hell? Someone, once again, removed that section and my picture. Whoever removed it said "not notable and the picture was terrible". It is notable, it gives the reader some sort of context of some non-speculative continuity in the series. If it isn't notable, then please remove the section of The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker when it says that Tetra and Link sail off together in search of new land. And if anyone can find a better picture of the ending shot of The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons linked ending, please do so if mine is so terrible. Wiitbred 01:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is terrible because it doesn't show anything of value and is a pointless use of copyrighted images. On top of that, you can't bother to actually give a fair use rationale to it. ' 02:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are lots of pictures that are of no value (by your standards) in other Zelda pages, the picture of link waiving goodbye to his home is pointless, the picture of link delivering the finishing blow to ganondorf is pointless, the picture of the goddesses and the triforce in the Twilight Princess article is unnecessary. By your standards, all the plot sections of every game should include no pictures. I put that picture there because it looks nice. In my opinion, its the best landscape shot in that entire game. And if you want, I can get a better looking version of it. Wiitbred 02:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have an actual argument that doesn't require comparison with other images? The simple matter is that your image shows the reader absolutely nothing. It's a boat on water. That doesn't merit calling upon fair use. ' 04:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text: This is totally speculation, though you assumably stated it as fact. Upon its release, Link's Awakening was labeled by Nintendo as a sequel to LttP. If you are going to assume anything about the timeline, you might as well take the official word for it. Regardless, that information should at least be paired with your statement, and it would also be necessary to clarify that only "some people" draw that conclusion, while others do not. D.I. (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 07:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linked ending prequel? 

message: This article needs more and better screenshots. I think we could consider dropping those drawn images and substitute them with screenshots that would depict each game's plot. And, I don't like that the only screenshot of Oracle of Ages shows Link just standing around at the very beginning of the game, not using the harp or anything. I think what would be good is a comparison of past and present, and for Seasons, a comparison of the seasons. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More (and better) screenshots 

message: #I think we need to change the title to rearrange Seasons and Ages. In my experience, people put Ages before Seasons, as it rolls off the tongue better (well, that's my POV, but there's gotta be a reason why I hear people say it like that, right?). Also, Google hits for having Ages first are greater than the hits for Seasons first.
#And I think that there should be three sections for gameplay - the main section would deal with the aspects of gameplay that span both games, while the separate sections would discuss how the gameplay is in either game, dealing in puzzles (for instance, Oracle of Ages has many puzzles Seasons doesn't have), as well as delving into Seasons and Ages changing, with an accompanying image showing a comparison of an area in each game and the differences between the seasons and ages there (ideally, they'd have plenty of differences, and would show off various aspects of the changes, such as flowers blooming in Spring, and a tree "dying" in the Winter, creating a new path). - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the title, I disagree. I wrote the article with this order because this was the original intended order for the release of the games. I found that argument to be stronger than anything else. I've reverted the move to the original order based on this and the lack of anyone supporting the move. I don't see the need for additional sections under gameplay, but I'm open to different screenshots. I used what I could find when I wrote the article. Pagrashtak 19:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two other comments 

message: Nayru and Din appear in later games, is this game canon? Moogle 12 (talk) 02:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the game considered "canon"? 

message: Although increasing the power of the shield or the quantity of bombs and Mystical Seeds held isn't needed to complete either game, upgrading the power of the sword is needed to complete the linked-game ending, as the sword Link originally wields doesn't have the power to injure Twinrova or Ganon.
That is not true, I have completed the games with the lowest level sword possible,which does indeed do damage. The difference is with anything except the MasterSword, only a spin attack will harm Twinrova  or Ganon.I will go ahead and change this.67.166.221.245 (talk) 04:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I second this D.I. (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fallacy 

message: I'm not entirely sure this article meets WP:FA? image criterion in particular, WP:NFCC in general. There are six images in the article, with one being a composite of four separate screens. The character images and the covers excessively repeat Link and don't significantly contribute to reader understanding with minimal use. One of the box covers could be possibly removed, or (more germane) the character graphics could be removed. :Image:Linkooa.png could be replaced by a more utilitarian shot (say, a screen from the linked ending showing the characters as they appear in the game.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 03:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image concerns 

message: Why do both Zelda 7 and Zelda 8 redirect here? If these are considered one game for numbering purposes, it can't be both the seventh and the eighth.--Unscented (talk) 18:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing Redirects 

message: Why is mentioned this "The game features a brighter color palette when played on a Nintendo Game Boy Advance in order to make up for the darkness of the screen, and a special shop is also made available" at the introduction and only there? I don't think it should be there, and if mentioned in the body of the article it should explain that feature a little more. OboeCrack (talk) 03:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I do now, OboeCrack (talk) 23:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't understand 

message: Original Japanese title. ゼルダの伝説 ふしぎの木の実
It is necessary to write the etymology in the country of the origin. Zelda is not a game of the United States. 60.33.39.35 (talk) 20:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A foreigner here uses the word that jeers the Japanese named JAP.  

message: Found a couple of Game Informer reviews for this game:
*Review 1
*Review 2 JimmyBlackwing (talk) 01:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference material 

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message: I'm eyeing this for a 15th anniversary TFA (14 May 2016 is not too far away!) and was thinking that a bit more on the 2013 port should be included. I'll try and get something worked up, but my access to sources on VGs is not stellar. If anyone can help, that would be great. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential TFA 

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