Talk:Andreu Nin

message: Apparently "Comandante Contreras" Vittorio Vidali, and Iosif Romualdovich Grigulevich were involved.
Anonymous, no citation. Not that the rest of this article is well-cited. Does someone have something on this? - Jmabel | Talk 00:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the references on the Vittorio Vidali page might cover this topic as well. Dahn 15:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus. —Nightstallion (?) 12:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent addition 

message: I have just checked progress on the discussion about the name of the article and have seen that, while I was doing research on the topic, the issue has already been closed.
I am really sad that my proposal has caused such comments, especially the last "Strongly oppose". I have never tried to manipulate anything, and I am the first person who is wishing to accept a mistake if I have made one. This kind of comments discourage me to contribute anything to wikipedia; I know it is a stupid attitude, to give up if I think the facts prove otherwise on a topic, but I can’t help feeling disappointed.
Next, I’m posting the procedures and results of my research.
Since I am personally no expert on Andreu Nin or on history, I searched for the right expert. I was addressed to historian Pelai Pagès, the expert Professor on Andreu Nin at the University of Barcelona. He has also appeared recently in a documentary about POUM (30 minuts, POUM: Una vida per la utopia, 4 December 2005).
I asked Professor Pagès what exactly was the name of Nin: Andrés or Andreu. Also, I asked him how people called him. And finally, how I could find out what exactly his name was. Also, I referred to Orwell’s usage of Spanish on Hommage to Catalonia.
This was his answer:
* Context: The majority of POUM members were Catalan. Something different is the name Nin used when he wrote: when he was writing books or articles in Spanish, he signed Andrés Nin, and when he was writing them in Catalan, he signed Andreu Nin. Prof. Pagès points out that this was what people did at that time. Furthermore, Prof. Pagès said that he had met many former fellows of Nin: they called him Andreu if they were Catalan, and Andrés if they were Spanish.
* About today: On today’s situation, Prof. Pagès said that the former was not the question of debate. He said that, for example, Fundación Andreu Nin has its central headquarters in Madrid but never occurred itself to call itself otherwise than ”Andreu Nin”. Moreover, Prof. Pagès added that the majority of Nin books that were published again in the seventies, regardless of the language they were written in, were published as ”Andreu Nin”.
* About Orwell’s use of Spanish: originally, I thought Orwell used Spanish in his book because he strongly opposed any form of nationalism; if it had been so, that would not have been fair from him. But Prof. Pagès suggests otherwise: that Orwell’s use of Spanish instead of Catalan was most probably due to bilingual confusion (Catalan and Spanish were spoken in Catalonia, at that time) rather than to a deliberate will of translating everything into Spanish - just to present a one-sided reality. Prof. Pagès explains that confusion among foreigners was extremely common about what Catalan was and what Spanish was; especially, because what was common then was to address all foreigners in Spanish and not in Catalan (something that still occurs today). That would be fair.
In the end, Prof. Pagès said we should be extremely careful about certain attitudes and how we interpret history. 
In any case, the same as I am ready to correct any of my mistakes, I think we should try not to politicise wikipedia just because one might be antinationalist, another, nationalist, someone else, catholic, etc. Here I have tried to obtain the most objective facts possible from the expert on the issue.--Hvitlys 15:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of the article: Research

message: Does Nin really belong in :Category:Disappeared people? His fate was briefly unknown; in fact, it turns out that he was killed days after his arrest. The category is a bit vague; I've asked also on its talk page, but I don't think it is a useful category here. - Jmabel | Talk 07:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disappeared? 

message: That is what we call him in English, sorry.
Lots of English-speaking people have a degree of familiarity with Spanish. As for Catalan, well, there's ... me.
I got lost in Barcelona back when the street signs were in Catalan (Carrer) and the city maps were in Spanish (Calle), and I see no value in this sort of chauvinistic, linguistic infighting.
If we are going to insist on this Catalan-naming nonsense, then why are we insisting on a double-barrelled surname, especially when his Mum had a Castilian name! If you want to match Pérez, use Andrés.
The article should be:
#Andrés Nin, or
#plain Andreu Nin
I vote for #1. Varlaam (talk) 17:39, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrés Nin 

message: This category is really specific (!) but there appears to be nothing in the article to support it.99.247.1.157 (talk) 01:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  People executed by flaying