Talk:Sting (percussion)

message: "Sting(percussion)" is now "Sting (percussion)". It's as simple as that. :P I left the "this article needs to be wikified" tag because, honestly, I'm a noob, and I don't know whether this article fits the other guidelines. OneofThem
Why does "bu-bumKSH" link to "Failure"?
--24.46.164.83 07:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The audio example that was there  doesn't sound all that hot on my computer speakers but it's a lot simpler than the notation example which was itself labelled basic, which is probably confusing... I've had a go at making it a bit more obvious that the two are supposed to be different. Andrewa (talk) 21:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renamed article 

message: Removed the PROD, the article is already (barely) more than a dicdef. And there is scope for expansion. Andrewa (talk) 16:00, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The AfD seems likely to fail, so I've put some work into the format of the article. Andrewa (talk) 21:17, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And fail it did, no support at all for deletion, and some good humour shown... except by the nom . Andrewa (talk) 12:16, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: PROD

message: It's been suggested at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sting (percussion) that this article might be merged with rimshot. While I think that particular suggestion is actually a step backwards (see http://soundandthefoley.com/2013/04/10/of-stings-and-rimshots/ for some of why) there may well be room for a merge or two in the general area or even some new stubs, see sting (disambiguation), rimshot (disambiguation), talk:rimshot (disambiguation)#Other meanings, wikt:rimshot and wikt:sting. Some particularly interesting articles:
* Sting (musical phrase) describes a broader but more esoteric use of the term sting, broader in that it's not just percussion and esoteric in that the subject area is probably less often discussed. But it's the more obvious possible merge for this particular article, and was also suggested as such in the AfD discussion . And it also survived an AfD of its own a year and a bit ago, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sting (musical phrase).
* Stab (music) is an even broader term.
* Rimshot (broadcasting) describes an unrelated concept, but well to be aware of it as this other usage is yet another reason not to call a sting played on percussion a rimshot. Not that it's Wikipedia's job to fix English usage, just the opposite, we follow the usage we find in reliable sources, disambiguating and using hatnotes where we need to resolve the ambiguities this sometimes causes. Just well to be aware of the controversy and the consequent need for caution.
There may well be other relevant articles out there. I note this particular article is listed above as being of particular interest to the Percussion and Comedy WikiProjects. That's this article's current focus as I understand it, and also the most common meaning of sting in the context of musical performance. Andrewa (talk) 13:53, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Related articles

message: I removed three citations in the article just now. Two of them don't actually confirm the statements they were supposed to support and one was a circular reference back to this article. There's still actually no reliable sources to confirm the very definition of a sting.
Peter Isotalo 19:49, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs needed 

message: Fact is that "rimshot" for the sting is in general usage. Fact is also that our mission isn't to correct the unwashed masses on language, since whatever people say is per definition correct. or at the very least, Wikipedia's mission doesn't including telling people they're using language wrong.
I have restructured the passage about the rimshot. Explaining to people that in percussion, rimshot means something else, is fine, good even. Telling people that they're wrong when they call a sting a rimshot, however, is a) doomed to fail b) condescending c) unfriendly, and d) all of the above. Inform, don't lecture, and all that.
Hope you have a nice day. CapnZapp (talk) 08:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent point that Wikipedia's mission doesn't including telling people they're using language wrong and well said. See wp:SOAP. And a point often overlooked. Andrewa (talk) 18:17, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  rimshot 

message: I edited a reference to the illustration of the musical notation for an advanced example of a sting sequence. The illustration is not necessarily to the right of the text for someone reading on a mobile device. Matuko (talk) 13:33, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustration reference