Talk:Gallery of sovereign state flags/Archive 4

message: The widths of images in the table are calculated to make all flags 80px in height. If a flag is taller or shorter than other flags, it is likely that the image file has a wrong aspect ratio. In that case, please correct the image file and not the width of the image in the table. Zocky 03:00, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratios 

message: Ok, here is the list. It is small, but it will grow.
*Image:Flag_of_Belarus.png
*Image:Flag_of_Vatican_City.png
*Image:Flag_of_Uruguay.png
*Image:Flag_of_Hong_Kong_SAR.png
*Image:Flag_of_Palestine.png
*Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.png
*Image:Flag of Finland.png
*Image:Flag of Mongolia.png
*Image:Flag_of_Kazakhstan.png
Enjoy. If you want other flags not listed here, like your sporting/scouting/historical flags, let me know. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:17, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Commons Images 

message: Each flag is depicted as if the flagpole is positioned on the left of the flag (except the flag of Western Sahara).  What about Iran, Iraq or Saudi Arabia, or others with Arabic or similar writing? --Henrygb 9 July 2005 18:14 (UTC)
:On flags such as those of Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia, the arabic writing is always shown properly, so as to be readable, on both sides of the flag.  The front and back are not mirror images of each other, and the flag would look the same whether the flagpole was on the right or the left.  In the case of Western Sahara, the symbol in the center of the flag is only shown on one side: the side seen when the flagpole is on the right. MiLo28 01:17, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Right hand flagpole 

message: This article needs to match the entries in List of sovereign state flags which matchs the List of sovereign states --Philip Baird Shearer 12:41, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup August 2005 

message: ===>This discussion has already occured In a debate over Palestine, and consensus was reached. Now, without any consensus, Abkhazia is being added, with the terse response that this article is being brought into line with List of sovereign state flags. I checked the talk page there, and consensus was not reached regarding the addition of these so-called states. My main points of contention are as follows:
#The legitimacy of an article like this is immediately in question once unrecognized secessionist groups are included. Once micronations like Sealand or Seborga are included (as they logically would be), the article becomes accuracy bankrupt.
#The inclusion is, I suspect, largely politically-motivated. I would personally like it if, say, West Papua was internationally recognized as independent, but I would not include it in a list of independent states, as it is neither independent nor a state.
#The very idea of making this article conform to the list of sovereign state flags is itself not apparently logical. Why shouldn't that article conform to these standards? Since no consensus was reached, there is no reason to assume that this one should change.
#If a country is unrecognized, it is not a state, and has no place on this list. There is already the article "Flags of non-recognized nations" for such entities. If someone wishes to add a footnote or "see also" section, by all means do. Justin (koavf) 03:27, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
I Reverted your edit. Make you arguments on Talk:List of sovereign states. If the List of sovereign states changes so should this article as this article is just a list of flags of the states under List of sovereign states. Philip Baird Shearer 16:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unrecognized countries 

message: There should be an effort here to improve the organisation of Wikipedia by trying to use some standardization and also to provide better multilingual resources. I would suggest to replace all the links in this table with those to commons:National insignia. I suppose that some more cleanup would be necessary e.g. regarding infoboxes in coutry articles etc.
:Commons:Categoy:SVG flags also works too. Zach (Sound Off) 22:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to commons:National insignia 

message: There is really no need for a separate number for each of the footnotes when 9 of 10 of them are identical.  Someone should make a change unless there is an objection. 134.173.94.191 11:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes 

message: I suggest you change background colour for some flags to be seen, e.g. Russian flag. --193.2.154.98 12:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background 

message: Why is this flag backwards? Rmpfu89 21:34, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Flags of the World website, the symbol in the center of the flag of Western Sahara is only shown on one side of the flag.  The obverse or "front" of the flag in "right-to-left" language countries would be considered the side shown with the hoist on the viewers right, and the symbol in the center of the WS flag is on this side only.  The flag is shown this way on this page in order to show the crescent and star as one would see it on a flagpole. MiLo28 01:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Sahara 

message: I know some may consider this trivial; but I propose a small change in the name of this article, from "Gallery of sovereign state flags" to "Gallery of sovereign-state flags". These are flags of sovereign states; they're not sovereign flags of states. I'll let this sit for a while for reaction, and then may rename the article. President Lethe 20:07, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. This page should be renamed. Either the TRNC, Transnistria etc. have to go, or the page should be renamed accordingly. "Sovereign states" = internationally recognized states. Valentinian (talk) 09:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think my point didn't come across to Valentinian. The only thing I advocated was putting a hyphen into the name, because the words "sovereign state" act together to modify "flag". The argument about which states to include is something I'm not getting into right now. Anyway, I've seen no objection in almost two weeks, and so am renaming the article today. President Lethe 15:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename = 

message: I cannot see many of the flags on this list, simple because my Internet provider, IE, doesn't show them.  I know other people experience this problem too.  what can we do about it?  Reywas92 19:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IE isn't your "internet provider", but we know what you mean. The page displays fine for me in IE. What version are you running? You could always switch to Firefox, which would be a good idea anyway... —Chowbok 20:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

message: The flag of Samoa needs to be moved. It is cut off when printed. Also, should it not be under W for Western Samoa? 119.12.187.100 (talk) 07:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samoa 

message: Though the flag of the UK is present the flag of England is not there. I do realise that they are part of the same governmewnt and they are basically the same nation, but England uses a different flag when it is not part of the UK. e.g. Sporting Events such as The Ashes. The Flag should be admitted on this page.
Amzon Tuesday January 9 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.180.2.189 (talk) 04:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The title of the page is 'Gallery of sovereign-state flags'. England is not a sovereign-state and hence its flag is not represented on this page. -JoeTalk!Work 06:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  England 

message: I don't think this is the current flag of Lesotho. It may be an older one, but when I look in any up-to-date almanach they show a different flag for Lesotho. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.73.103.141 (talk) 09:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lesotho 

message: A key question that does not seem to have been openly addressed here is which version of a flag should be used?  More specifically, should we be showing civil or state flags?  I am taking state in the title of the article as being compounded with sovereign, not with flag, which leaves the matter open to contention. Kevin McE 12:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the article is to be accurate, this needs addressing: in the case of Ecuador, at least, there is a difference between the civil and state flags.  Kevin McE 22:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which flags? 

message: East Timor is under the T section, I'm guessing because it's also called Timor-Leste. But it is pretty confusing to see it there instead of under E. Can we either move it or change the name that is listed? Recury 20:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that is the official name of the country, Timor-Leste. However, with the scheme of the template, the SVG image was put as East Timor before the name change. I would support a move to change the flag image to Flag of Timor-Leste.svg and I got the software to make the change happen. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetizing East Timor 

message: This is posted here and at Template talk:Flag entry Can any of you fix the entry for Georgia (country), which presently leads to the disambiguation page Georgia? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 04:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assistance with Georgia 

message: Someone needs to change the flag of Iraq as the country has a new flag.  Azalea pomp (talk) 02:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iraq Flag Update 

message: Kosova is a recognized state by at least 35 nations and growing, so it clearly does belong in this article, partial recognition is only considered when a country is recognized by its mother land or relay close allies:(E.i. North Cyprus by Turkey), Kosova is not a partially recognized state, it is currently recognized by over 35 countries world wide and less than 10 countries have said they will not recognize it which means most of the other countries on earth have stated that they are in the process of recognition.
The Kosova state is very similar to the Israel state both are recognized by some and not by other, for example non of the Muslim/Arab states recognize Israel but its still considered a sovereign state, Kosova is in the same situation and is considered a sovereign state even though countries like Serbia, Russia & Cyprus have said they will not recognize it.
Thanx 82.45.201.125 (talk) 08:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Big difference - Israel is a full member of the UN.  Two of the countries not recognizing Kosovo (specifically Russia and China) have veto power.  Thus for the forseeable future Kosovo will not have general international sovereign state status.  (not that it seems to matte though, because at the time of writing, Kosovo (along with Abkhazia and South Ossetia) is on the main list anyway. LINK3 (talk) 16:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  KOSOVA 

message: Propose a vote on whether this should be renamed to "Gallery of country flags" and include flags such as those of Taiwan and Kosovo.  Please give reasons for or against your vote to Rename or to Keep name.
:Rename:  There are many many wikipedia articles listed by country, whereas there are only a few listed by "sovereign state".  Since the intention here seems to be to prevent a duplication of effort, I propose we go with the far-more useful and common version. Skalskal (talk) 16:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose a vote on renaming 

message: With the amount and frequency of vandalism on this page, why is it not locked?
WikiDegausser (talk) 05:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lock? 

message: That's ridiculous. No government or international organization recognized that Taiwan is a country. So please don't connive Taiwan independence movement. Apollo Augustus Koo (talk) 01:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 23 governments officially recognize the ROC not Taiwan as a country. Either in the PRC or the ROC, Taiwan is a province. Taiwan ≠the ROC. Can't you understand? Apollo Augustus Koo (talk) 11:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  So why exactly are you deleting Kosovo as well, then??  You appear to have a political motivation.  I will move Taiwan to ROC and restore Kosovo, will you stop your destructive editing then? Skalskal (talk) 14:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taiwan is a country? 

message: Why are you not using the Costa Rican coat of arms on the flag? In Costa Rica the flag always uses the coat of arms. MFC888 (talk) 16:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costa Rica 

message: Why are the flags of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Panama not included? 76.123.208.229 (talk) 13:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Central America 

message: If, as is currently the case, the article includes the flags of partially recognised states, it should then include the above for consistency. Some one with the technnical skills might add it in. Otherwise all partially recognised states should be taken out (my preference). Regards. Redking7 (talk) 12:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean "The Turkish Republic of Cyprus", which is only recognised by turkey? Hanii (talk) 19:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: South Ossetia and Abkhazia are only recognized by Russia and Nicaragua, but their flags are still included. The flag of Northern Cyprus should certainly be included. I'll add it. Vanjagenije (talk) 13:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus listed under C not T? East Timor was moved from T to be under E so how is this consistent? 119.12.187.100 (talk) 07:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Flag of Northern Cyprus]] 

message: What about Azad Kashmir — it's recognised by Pakistan. — Hellerick (talk) 03:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) is a self-governing state under Pakistani control. The chairman/chief executive of the Azad Jammu and Kashmir Council is the president of Pakistan. It is in a similar situation to a protectorate rather than a sovereign state.119.12.187.100 (talk) 07:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azad Kashmir 

message: Are the blue textures of Australian and New Zealand flag's different?  They look slightly different and I am not sure if they should be the same.  Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 02:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia vs. New Zealand 

message: The government of Taiwan, aka. the Republic of China is not the representative of a sovereign state, therefore the flag should be taken off. 16:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Republic of China 

message: There appears to be a slight link error with this flag - clicking Nagorno Karabakh directs you to the article on the province, as opposed to the page of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic (ie it directs you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh, as opposed to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_Republic). I tried to change it, although realised I was unsure of how to. If anyone knows how to correct this, please feel free to do so! Starom (talk) 22:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean, it has to do with the file name. The file is named simply for Nagorno Karabakh not the Nagorno Karabakh Republic. Unfortunately there is no file under this name. Is there such thing as a file redirect? Outback the koala (talk) 00:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nagorno-Karabakh 

message: How Nagorno-Karabakh could be a sovereign-state? It was not even recognized by Republic of Armenia which is the guarantee of Nagorno-Karabakh region after occupation. Quzeyli 19:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See the List of states with limited recognition page for details. Outback the koala (talk) 05:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Nagorno-Karabkh 

message: If this page is going to cite List of sovereign states as its source, then it should follow the organizational scheme of that page, with real countries first, and doubtful states in a sulky little heap at the end.
Right? Varlaam (talk) 07:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Make it so. :-) In the absence of dissent, go right ahead (also BOLD and all that stuff). Killiondude (talk) 06:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine by mine. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:38, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abkhazia, etc. 

message: to my knowledge, transnistria isn't a sovereign state but an unrecognized territory, so maybe its flag shouldn't be listed in the gallery  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.186.21.17 (talk) 15:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It has declared itself independent, and so by the Declarative theory of statehood they are a sovereign state. There is a reason it is placed at the bottom, with other states with limited recognition. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  transnistria? 

message: The flag of the Libyan Republic (2011) is this . Should we add it now, considering it has diplomatic recognition from several nations, many of which recognize it as the sole representation of the Libyan people.
On a related note, should we move the flag of the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, the Gaddafi government?
So what should we do? Both? One? Neither? Wait for the Libyan Civil War to end (and it doesn't look like that's going to happen, as it's increasingly becoming a stalemate)? MAINEiac4434 (talk) 22:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep the Gaddafi flag where it is now, but maybe add the TNC flag at the very bottom (where Kosovo, PMR and others are at). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'll do that. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 23:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like that was reverted without discussion.  List of sovereign states identifies both governments in the "L" section, something that won't work on this page.  List of current heads of state and government puts the National Transitional Council leaders at the bottom with the partially-recognized states, the same solution suggested above.  It makes sense, since the red-black-green flag is flown by the government of Libya that now is recognized by a large number of sovereign states.  Simply having the green flag on this page does not reflect the current situation.  Fishal (talk) 20:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it was a stalemate and only 30+ recognized. With the recent changes in the past 2 weeks, the flag could be changed very, very soon. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: With "30+ recognized," why would it not belong in the "limited or no recognition" section? Fishal (talk) 04:32, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It was there, but removed. I would suggest to add it back. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Fishal (talk) 13:45, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look, they control 90 percent of the country and are recognized by the UN, its the reality, we need to change flags,--J intela (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe switch the positions? Have the green banner at the bottom and the royal banner in the main list? Nightw 06:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: UN recognition clinches it, if you ask me.  Certainly "limited or no recognition" now applies better to Gaddafi's government than to the NTC.  The positions of the flags should be changed.  Reuters' article on the UN recognition would be good to add as a source. Fishal (talk) 01:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libyan Republic/National Transitional Council? 

message: I wonder if the Sami people should be included into the list of the flags.  Many Sami people actually consider their region a territory.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.178.141 (talk) 23:34, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A sovereign state? If so, please provide a source. Nightw 02:04, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sami 

message: Any particular reason it's not in the gallery?
:It is in the gallery, the "Republic of China" Chipmunkdavis (talk) 19:35, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peoples Republic of China (Taiwan)? 

message: The list of sovereign states shows Niue but it's flag is not included in this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcnux (talk • contribs) 22:54, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Niue is a sovereign state but no flag is listed