Talk:South Ferry/Whitehall Street station

message: The last paragraph of the intro section is inconsistent in its naming and use of Wikilinking to previous instances of the South Ferry.  The former uses the Wikipedia article name ("South Ferry loops") but not the actual station name in the text, while the latter uses the station name "South Ferry" with a piped link to the Wikipedia article.  Following is how it reads as of now:
:This station complex is the third on the site to bear the name South Ferry. The subway station it replaced, South Ferry loops, serving the IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line and the IRT Lexington Avenue Line was the second, in service from 1905 to 2009. The first was an elevated station, South Ferry, now demolished, which served the IRT Ninth Avenue Line, IRT Sixth Avenue Line, IRT Third Avenue Line and IRT Second Avenue Line and was open from 1878 to 1950.
Since we already said it bears the name South Ferry in the first sentence, it seems redundant to name it again in each individual reference.  We could remove the restatements of the names as follows, but then the link would be relevant to the context, and not the actual linked term:
:...The subway station it replaced, serving the... 
:...The first was an elevated station, now demolished, which...
I believe this needs to be fixed.  Since many of you are more experienced with the styles used on Wikipedia than I am, I leave it in your hands to resolve.  Any thoughts?  -Sme3 (talk) 18:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prior South Ferry stations 

message: Vchohen, if you're listening, please redo MY edit. I forgot how I did it in the first place. It had at the top of the page, Where N & R is, please put back (1), and where the (1) south ferry part is, put the (1) back, that's all.24.193.156.117 (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This station is closed for 3 years, therefore it's shown as closed. The same story is with the Cortlandt Street station on this line: it's closed for years and shown as closed. Vcohen (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  put the (1) back 

message: The two stations are part of the same station complex, and New York City Subway stations within the same complex are always described within the same article. Epicgenius (talk) 01:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - The MTA plans to reopen the "New South Ferry" station by 2016, and if I'm not mistaken, the existing connection between the South Ferry Loops and the replacement complex is supposed to be temporary. Although I think it wasn't such a great idea for the MTA to replace the loop station, I still say the two complexes should be kept separate. ---------User:DanTD (talk)  05:25, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Support. This case is similar to the case of the Atlantic Avenue – Barclays Center (New York City Subway) article that the historic BMT Fifth Avenue Line station was merged into. Vcohen (talk) 09:16, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Comment I was the one who originally recommended the merge of the Atlantic Avenue (BMT Fifth Avenue Line), but other users gave valid reasons for opposing it, so I withdrew my nomination. It was merged anyhow. ---------User:DanTD (talk)  13:24, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, they spoke about separate fare controls. Anyway, actually the Atlantic Avenue stations are in one article now. It's strange to see two stations with separate fare controls in one merged article and two stations with one fare control in two separate ones. We should either unmerge the Atlantic Avenue or merge the South Ferry, or do both. Vcohen (talk) 16:10, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

text:  I have found another example. Jay Street – MetroTech (New York City Subway) is an existing station complex, Bridge–Jay Streets (BMT Myrtle Avenue Line) is a former station that had a free transfer to one station of the complex, and these two articles are still not merged. I think there are more such examples that are still not merged, so the simplest way is to unmerge the Atlantic Avenue article, and then everything will be consistent. Vcohen (talk) 13:28, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  If the MTA considers South Ferry and Whitehall Street to be one complex, they should be merged. If Jay Street – MetroTech (New York City Subway) was considered one complex with Bridge–Jay Streets (BMT Myrtle Avenue Line) when they were in service, then that should be merged too.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.5.2 (talk) 00:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Based on that, I have merged the articles. Epicgenius (talk) 15:55, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[South Ferry loops (New York City Subway)]] 

message: Can we really call a 200 year old wall prehistoric? 99.108.140.49 (talk) 20:28, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prehistoric walls 

message: Whitehall Station redirects here. That's a potential move target for Whitehall (Amtrak station). I didn't see any discussion of that name in the article itself. Is that usage common? Mackensen (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitehall Station? 

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message: I am attempting to correct the dates on the opening of the South Ferry loops.  The inner opened in 1905.  The outer loop did not open until 1918.
I have only gotten to part of the article. I will do the rest when I get a chance (or someone else can do it).
Source:
https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/IRT_West_Side_Line#South_Ferry
Note: nycsubway.org had been around since 1995.  The original wiki article was actually copied from that site.
Allan (talk) 20:06, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The information is correct - the outer loop opened in 1905, the inner loop in 1918. Even nycsubway.org says: . The outer loop was built for the Lexington Avenue Line, but when the West Side Line was opened in 1918, West Side trains took over the outer platform. The inner loop could serve only the Lexington Avenue Line, but it was opened only as a result of the West Side Line being extended down here. I believe the confusion stems from the fact that the inner Lexington Avenue platform and the West Side Line opened at the same time. Epicgenius (talk) 23:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Please check opening dates on IRT loops