Talk:(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais

message: Hi, this was my first page so if anyone has any queries or problems with it please discuss here.
:The story of this song originated when Joe Strummer and Mick Jones went to the Hammersmith Palais in London to see a show featuring many of the people mentioned in the song- Leroy Smart, Delroy Wilson and other Bluebeat, Rocksteady, and other early Reggae artists.  they were very disappointed at the "Pop" nature of the show, hence the line "BUT" it was Four Tops all night..."
:So to mention The Four Tops along with Ken Boothe, Delroy Wilson etc. as influences to The Clash simply because they were mentioned in the song is not accurate and does not hold true to the spirit of the song or intention of the lyrics.
Good point.
:Good article overall, but a little bit, well, reviewy. Could perhaps use a slightly more encyclopedic tone in parts. I'll try to take a stab at it sometime, without making any drastic changes. -R. fiend 23:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Welcome

message: I'm 95% sure that in an issue of Rolling Stone quite a few years back they ranked the 50 greatest Clash songs, and this one came in #1. I can't find it with google, but if anyone can confirm it, I think it deserves mention somewhere in the article. -R. fiend 23:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rolling stone's ranking

message: I understand the confusion here but I'm pretty sure that, technically, this song was a ska song. The tempo cannot be classified as reggae as it would be rather fast for reggae. The Clash, remember, did dabble in some ska as 2 tone was gaining popularity at the time. Glassbreaker5791 15:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reggae? 

message: "and the lyric concludes that the new groups are in it solely to be famous and for the money (though The Clash themselves have often been criticized for just that)."
Anybody got verification of that? Glassbreaker5791 02:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Crass mention it pretty regularly in their lyrics, for what that's worth. -R. fiend 14:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verification? 

message: I am curious about this, and have trouble finding info about it on the web.  I'm assuming the phrase "roots rock rebel" is not just a Joe Strummer idiosyncrasy, but is actually some phrase that has meaning to the early Reggae scene, or at least to that scene as experienced in London/Brixton.  Googling it has not turned up any explanation that does not refer directly to the Clash -- that doesn't necessarily mean anything, as existing info on the web tends to reflect the predominant interests of the web community -- that is, history since roughly 1996, with an emphasis on America and Europe.  
I bring it up because I think the Wikipedia article ought to explain the significance of the phrase, with a bona fide reference... it's a key phrase of the song, because the song begins with Strummer's disillusionment of old-time reggae performers. 
Anybody know what the phrase means, and (hopefully) have a reference?
StrangeAttractor (talk) 06:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For a reference, see "White man's blues" by Alan Connor. I think the meaning is that Joe Strummer had hoped for reggae to be the voice of struggle. I removed the  template from that line. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for a cool article, but I guess I was really wondering if "roots rock rebel" was a catchphrase/cliche of reggae or if Strummer's line is riffing on such a catchphrase.  I dunno, I guess I always had the feeling it must have been a direct allusion to some line in a song, or Jamaican slang, or something, but ever line of research turns back to the song, so I guess it's original to Strummer...  StrangeAttractor (talk) 03:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Roots Rock Rebel?

message: This was the headline of the Clash's first NME front page in, I think, April 1977. So to say that this tag dates back to "White Man" is not true - it's a year older than that at least.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.92.238 (talk) 14:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Thinking Man's Yobs

message: Who played the great harmonica solo?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.64.54 (talk) 19:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, I'm not sure but I think that Mick Jones played the harmonica on White Man. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 21:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harmonica 

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