Talk:Banked turn

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message: I stumbled across this thread and believe the debate (argument) over the use of the
normal force symbol 'N' can be resolved. In earlier physics, involving
static forces, it is usual to state that N = mg cos(θ). This can
elicit a classic difference between mathematicians and physicists
because a mathematician is likely to regard this as a definition
of N, rather than a current value. In such a case, it should be
redefined at the beginning of this article. The confusion would not
have arisen if 'N' was identified as a TOTAL force, which may be
obvious to some, but which could be clarified by writing:
N = Nt = Ng + Nv (vector addition). This way, 
Ng would be identified as the component of the normal force due
to gravity and Nv would be identified as the component due to velocity.
I hesitate to suggest that anyone is 'right' or 'wrong' here, I just
think some clarification would resolve the positions taken and would improve
the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reslox (talk • contribs) 18:15, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resolution? 

message: I liked the development of the banked turn.  I think the approach of starting out with a basic frictionless banked turn is a good way to teach this topic.  I would like to suggest that we add a bit more on the aeronautics to describe the forces and what is necessary to achieve a banked turn.  What is said in the text explaining that an aircraft needs to use its elevators or put its nose up to create more lift is correct, although we should add that any method that increases lift will do.  The major piece that is missing here on the aeronautics side, although it goes a little beyond the banked turn, is that generally when lift is increased, drag is also increased.  For the aircraft to keep at a constant speed an altitude, it is necessary that the aircraft apply more thrust to counteract the extra drag.  The net result of this is that the engines need to increase their power to achieve the constant speed turn.  I am hoping that someone who is an aerodynamicist will add in some description of this.  One of the neat things about doing this is that, when in another article, someone wants to understand the flight envelope of an aircraft, they will be able to visualize the limits of maneuver capability - if you don't have enough excess thrust available in your engines to counteract the excess drag from the higher lift mechanisms needed for a banked turn, you will not be able to succeed in the constant speed maneuver.  This would also be enhanced by a force diagram that would include drag as well as the lift and gravity vectors already in the figure. SaintLouisEE (talk) 23:27, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banked Turn in Aeronautics