Talk:List of Britpop musicians

message: This page really needs to line up (especially the categorization) with the main Britpop article (probably both this page and the Britpop page need to be edited and brought to a meeting point.  --Akrabbim 01:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus 

message: The 1st BritPop bands were The Las and The Satyrs from whence the term Britpop came. These bands had folded by 1993. It must be noted that many of the listed bands on this page supported these two bands during this early period, however many are unrecognisable as BritPop. Journalists seem to have become aware of the phenmenon only after Creation Records became involved with Oasis and have also tried to tie BritPop with the Manchester scene. The Music Press regularly dubbed The Las and The Satyrs as regressive, though few , if any, witnessed the genuine public enthusiam for these groups. It is ironic that the two most accomplished writers, Lee Mavers of The Las and Stuart E of The Satyrs, have been overlooked for lesser talents.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.110.24 (talk) 23:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Stereolab aren't French, they have one French member, used to have a second and also featured an Australian, but are basically a British group and are based in Britain. Bonalaw 14:55, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesn't mean they are "Britpop" though. They really aren't, but neither is the majority of the stuff on this list. --Sachabrunel 19:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't call Britpop "bubblegum, poppy sounding". It's hard to describe in a nutshell but that certainly isn't right. Consider Oasis, the epitome of Britpop - are they "bubblegum"? no way. However there are a lot of contentious inclusions on this list, that's for sure. David Gray???? I mean come on - I think we ought to make sure we know what we mean by Britpop before just throwing artistes willy-nilly into the list because they are British, and perform pop. To my mind Britpop is a particular style of guitar-based band music which was quite prominent in the 1990s, i.e. Blur, Oasis - so before anyone feesl like extending this list please check out the Britpop article and make sure you know what you're talking about! Graham 05:12, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Real Britpop 

message: What about...
The Audience (when Sophie Ellis Bextor was an unknown singer...)
The Bluetones
Catatonia
Geneva
Kinky Machine
The Lightning Seeds (like Saint Etienne, more electronic than the others but take a look at «lucky you» or «what if»)
Me Me Me (Blur's Alex's other band)
Primal Scream (the «screamadelica» phase)
Rialto
Space
Saladd
?
Please do add theses names to the list. I'm a big Britpop fan and would certainly like that information on this magic musical moment would be available with quality, on the internet. Next year, we should be celebrating 10 years since the greatest Britpop year, mythical 1995.
Carlos, from Portugal.
Ok, in answer:
The Audience = from 1998, too late to be really Britpop.
The Bluetones = Fair enough.
Catatonia = Were around in 1995, so fair enough.
Geneva = Not sure, just about within the timeframe but different sound.
Kinky Machine = Not sure who they are, sorry.
The Lightning Seeds = Been around since 80s making similar music so not sure on this again.
Me Me Me = Absolutely.
Primal Scream (screamadelica) = Not at all, way too early.
Rialto = A little late, but yes on balance.
Space = Also a little late, but yes on balance.
Salad = Absolutely. This is the kind of band that should be here.
--Sachabrunel 19:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other names 

message: I've categorised everything, and put back a couple - Laxton's Superb and Thurman. I remember these getting a fair amount of press at the time and often on tour supporting the more established acts. As for Robbie, Britop-related is fair enough I'd say. Anyone have any comments please feel free to discuss here. --Sachabrunel 19:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just checked by to see how this article was doing after it survived AFD. "A lot better" is the happy answer! Good work. --kingboyk 17:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New version

message: Since as a music genre, there's no standard accepted definition of what Britpop is, I can't see how this unreferenced article could not constitute a completely unverifiable piece of original research. Maybe if it could be referenced that each of these artists had been called 'Britpop' it'd be better, but who's gonna bother to do that?--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 21:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This may be the case, however if you read the above discussion this page is a compromise created by a failed VFD. Also you could say the same of any music genre. Sachabrunel 09:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree, but it was kept at AfD (wrongly, but it was kept). Take my word for it though that the list is at least now relatively sane... --kingboyk (talk) 00:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't see how this list of Britpop musicians could not constitute original research... 

message: This page will, I suspect, never conform to the stricter definitions of what is verifiable. On the other hand it is fairly useful, and for this reason survived a VFD, which I expect it would again. The problem is that everyone keeps adding their favourite bands to the list. I haven't got time to check out the claim in each case, so have deleted a few entries that have no information to back them up. With this in mind, please note the following points before you add to this page-
1. Britpop was a scene that existed in the UK, particularly Camden, from around 1994-97. Most British bands of the time were not involved in it. Reef are not Britpop, nor are Simply Red. The list we have in the first section is pretty much comprehensive already - if you want to add to it then please explain yourself.
2. Act that are connected to Britpop - this doesn't mean 'guitar bands who were in the UK in the nineties' - it means what it says.
3. Acts with a "Britpop sound" - I don't like this section, but I suppose it should stay for reasons of diplomacy.
4. As for sources, ideally this will happen if and when the NME, Select, Melody Maker, etc put their 1995 issues online in some form. The word has been bandied about so much of late that it's beginning to lose all meaning - for this reason I can't tink of any post-2000 sources that would cut it. Bienfuxia (talk) 13:58, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, someone's deleted the 'Britpop sound' section. Can't say I mind. Bienfuxia (talk) 14:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: In which possible and imaginable way are Muse related to Britpop?. 190.71.45.32 (talk) 21:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They aren't. It's been removed. Anyone else want to help out with the endless task of removing clutter? Bienfuxia (talk) 18:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related bands: [[Muse (band)|Muse]]?. 

message: Don't know why they keep getting removed - their sound (Example "Lie Detector") is as Britpop as Menswear. Just because they did a bit of performance art doesn't mean they can't be included.
Also if Suede and Gene are on the list, why not Strangelove?
THE VERVE???????????????????????????
195.234.243.2 (talk) 09:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related bands: [[David_Devant_%26_His_Spirit_Wife |David Devant & His Spirit Wife]]?. 

message: Should The Verve be classified here? I did not see them mentioned in any of the lists here, but I had always taken them to be a group who were often considered to be a Britpop group. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: What about [[The Verve]]?

message: What would be the UK bands during the Britpop era that would not be considered Britpop? Please list as many as you can. Dean12065 (talk) 22:05, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Britpop Bands 

message: Too many bands listed here are unsourced and the genre on their respective articles remains unsourced. This diminishes the quality of any list or article (for the new-comers). Let's only keep reliably sourced entries please. Robvanvee 06:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality of list 

message: These links should make you change your mind that Catatonia are post-Britpop and not Britpop.
S. Hill, Blerwytirhwng?: the Place of Welsh Pop Music (Aldershot: Ashgate, 2007), ISBN 0-7546-5898-8, p. 190.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/music/sites/catatonia/pages/greatest_hits.shtml
https://pastdaily.com/2016/03/31/catatonia-live-reading-96-past-daily-soundbooth/
:It says they were post britpop. It does not say they were not britpop however. Bands can fall under more than one genre. We have sources saying they are both. What's your point. Unless you have a source explicitly stating they were not, the sources that say they were remain acceptable. Robvanvee 14:05, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually one of your sources also says they they were BP. Robvanvee 14:21, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly! Catatonia started releasing singles (that reached the charts) around '95 and their first album in '96, when Britpop was in full bloom (that same year, Longpigs and Kula Shaker released their first album and Suede released their third,'Coming Up', for instance.) Back then, they were considered a Britpop act because their music totally matched the codes and the era was this of the cultural movement known as 'Britpop'. Whether they evolved to become a post-Britpop band (like many of the Britpop artists whose careers survived the movement) doesn't change the fact that they started out as a Britpop band, as substantiated by many sources already. A band has many lives throughout its career: Pulp was post-punk when they started in the 80's, Blur's first album is considered to be some kind of shoegazing by many critics, Lush started out as a shoegazing/dream pop band, etc. but they still were Britpop bands at some point. I mean, should we consider that because David Bowie dealt heavily with electronica from the mid-90's till the end of his life and career, that he was not a folk or glam icon earlier in his career? Case in point, Catatonia IS a Britpop act that ALSO belongs in the post-Britpop list. CouchJarvis (talk) 16:43, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catatonia 

message: The band theaudience is considered by its own Wikipedia article to be a Britpop band, and the only album they did is also considered a Britpop album. I looked them up on Google and found evidence that they are considered Britpop by various resources, one I reference in the article itself. I don't know if I should name them Theaudience, TheAudience or theaudience though, by stylistically speaking they usually go without the capitalizations, so when I put the band in the article I referred them as simply theaudience.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6000:A804:5D40:FCB7:A8D:9D5F:DF79 (talk) 01:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: theaudience

message: What happened to the list of amount of success chart (the chart that displayed Britpop bands' amount of success with the colors red, green and grey going across it, with red being major success, green being moderate success and grey being minor success)? I found it pretty helpful to know about various Britpop acts that had various levels of success of the years' between 1993 to 1997. I would definitely like someone to bring it back. 2601:407:4100:87A0:197E:EAC2:9E07:B624 (talk) 16:46, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I almost forgot. For an example of what I mean by red for major success, green for moderate success and grey for minor success, for red, I would say Oasis, Blur, the Verve and Ash, for green, I would say Cast, the Bluetones, Echobelly and Menswear, and for grey, I would say My Life Story, These Animal Men, the Supernaturals and Marion. I hope this helps.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:407:4100:87A0:802:89F:5ABD:1381 (talk) 20:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm so sorry, but I feel the need to give a better example of how the amount of success chart should be like. For the highly successful Britpop bands (red), I would say Oasis, Blur, the Verve, Ocean Colour Scene, Ash and Elastica, for the moderately successful Britpop bands (green), I would say Cast, the Bluetones, Shed Seven, the Boo Radleys, Sleeper and Echobelly, and for the Britpop bands that gained only minor success (grey), I would say 60 Ft. Dolls, Northern Uproar, Marion, My Life Story, the Supernaturals, Kenickie, These Animal Men and Silver Sun. These are the best examples I can give, so I hope this helps even more.2601:407:4181:4260:449C:2D0A:37D5:2F5C (talk) 01:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of amount of success chart 

message: Would Radiohead qualify being on this list? Their second album The Bends is often seen as Radiohead doing Britpop, but I don't know that if it is enough to be put onto the list. I hope that people will see this section on the talk page rather than ignoring it, because I really want to know. 2601:407:4100:87A0:403E:8365:FD62:780D (talk) 02:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radiohead