Talk:Appel reaction

message: I do not quite see the double displacement reaction in this reaction but I would expect reference to  SN2 reaction with Walden inversion am I missing a point? rikXL 22:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Going from 4 to 6/7 you do indeed do a double displacement of sorts- you react RCH2-O− with +P-Cl and get +P-O− and RCH2-Cl (the O− and Cl have swapped places).  The P=O resonance form is shown so it's perhaps less obvious.  However the second step of that sequence, 5 going to 6/7 is indeed just an SN2 reaction, perhaps worth mentioning.  Does the reaction work with secondary alcohols too (so you could see Walden inversion  easily)?  If so, that would be worth commenting on in the article, as only primary alkyl is shown in the scheme. Also, I should mention that I think the ratio of font size to bond length in the basic reaction scheme looks unsightly- I think the atom labels should be much smaller.  The mechanism by contrast is beautifully done.  Walkerma 04:58, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some text to clarify the "double displacement" statement I made.  It should be more clear now.  Yes, the reaction works with secondary alcohols, and a SN2 and Walden inversion do take place with them.  Ironically, the same ChemDraw settings were used for the top image as the mechanism image.  I agree a little bit about the unsightliness of the top image, so I made it slightly smaller.  It looks a little better.  If it really bugs me, I'll draw a new one.  (Feel free to substitute it with one of your own if it really bugs you.) ~K 18:04, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

message: Hi,
would anyone mind if I redraw the reaction schemes in this article? To me they look a bit fuzzy. I've redrawn the first scheme already, but haven't changed it in the article. Hopefully you can see the difference below. 
I'll follow the Wikipedia manual of style, which should also mean the schemes have a consistent style.
WP:Structure drawing manual of style
Please let me know if you have any comments. Marvinthfish 10:31, 8 October 2014 (sorry, forgot the tildas! Edit 09/10/2014)
:Some comments, not that I feel very strongly.  I do not like drawings of  R-OH to R-Cl because I dont see the point of drawing something that can be so readily typed.  Thus, my preference would be that this conversion be handled with a balanced line equation.--Smokefoot (talk) 17:22, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I hadn't thought about simply typing it out. That should make the information clearer as well. Marvinthefish (talk) 12:38, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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