Talk:Seinen/Archive 1

message: An anonymous poster removed Love Hina from the seinen-list.
While he may or may not be correct I think there are some issues here that need to be adressed. I will do this by presenting the arguments of aforementioned poster and adding my remarks.
#Love Hina, [is] clearly not Seinen (and would be distribing if it was given the age of the love interests)
#*I disagree with the word clearly. The fact that there is a discussion going on about this proves that this issue isn't all that clear.
#*His remark between the parens apparently is about target audience. Because of his vague use of language it is hard to say what he exactly means, but it appears to be "It would be disturbing if a male between 18 and 25 would be interested in a romance between a 20 year old boy and a 17 year old girl". I must disagree on this. Is it really more disturbing than a young boy reading Love Hina? I doubt it, especially considering some of the graphical content...
#was published in Shonen Magazine
#*This is actually a good point. As I understand it the terms shounen/seinen originally didn't identify genres but the age groups at which the manga were marketed. Love Hina was published in Shonen Magazine, so its targeted at young boys.
#*Or is it that simple? Part of the confusion seems to arise from the fact although it is marketed at young boys, there are readers who think that in genre it more resembles seinen manga.
#*It should also be noted that Koudansha (the publisher) seems to have a combined shounen/seinen award.
#is shounen according to Anime News Network
#*I don't know of course if our anonymous poster has read the manga, but it should be noted that the manga is a lot more, how should I put this, graphical than the anime. Hasn't it struck him as odd that in the anime everyone wears a body-covering towel when bathing?
#Oh! My Goddess (...) audience of that magazine is
#*This is a hint that indeed our dear guest just looks at the target audience for marketing purposes and nothing else.
#No e-mail / No account
#*Such a shame. If he would have left us an e-mail we would be able to drop him a line and ask for clarification.
I think one of our basic problems is that we haven't quite got our definitions straight.
Perhaps we should also try to make a clear split between actual genre and the intended target audience of the the magazine where the manga was originally covered.
(Personally I think the genre tells you a lot more about a manga, but that is just my opinion.)
I will put Love Hina back on, mainly on the basis that the writer of the article for Love Hina probably knew what he was doing.
Also I think it is a bit inappropriate to make Love Hina disappear from both lists, which is apparently just what happened.
A final recommendation: don't remove manga from the lists until we have got our definitions straight.
If you really think something is misclassified, add it to the correct list and post a remark in the talk page.
I hope there are some experts out there who can help -- I whish you all the wisdom, you'll need it!
Shinobu 14:30, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why I re-added Love Hina 

message: What target audience was NGE aimed at? Was it Seinen? MatthewKarlsen 12:56, 21 December 2005 (GMT)
:NGE is in the border of shounen and seinen i´d call it a "shounen+"--AlLoCuRa 03:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Massive hint: the very first word in the opening song is shounen. --20:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evangelion 

message: Gantz (manga and anime)
Battle Royale (manga)
Homunculus (manga)
Jiraishin (manga)
Kiseijuu (manga)
Homunculus and Jiraishin are clearly Seinen the rest are "shounen+" and "shounen++"
--AlLoCuRa 15:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I added some stuff 

message: An anon added s-CRY-ed to the list. I'm not sure if this is considered seinen or not. --Kuroki Mio 2006 12:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  s-CRY-ed 

message: I noticed that Initial D appears on both the Shōnen and Seinen articles. I'm not that familiar with the series myself so I'm not sure where it should go, but I thought it would be worth pointing out. -- LostPhrack 12:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote Seinen... You can't drive until 20 in Japan (and $3000 worth of driving school) :<struggle 02:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It's seinen as it ran in the seinen Young Magazine. --日本穣 18:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial D? 

message: Is the anime Tournament of the Gods a Seinen anime? 
(207.200.34.177 15:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tournament of the Gods 

message: Kino no tabi's an anime! please don't add it again. This is exactly why the progressive anime list shouldn't have been deleted: Now people keep adding anime into the seinen manga section - proving they don't understand what seinen is in the first place.
Same thing for Perfect Blue.PB = prog. anime. PG =/= seinen. Got that?
[....] for Wings of Honneamise and Paranoia Agent.
Dengeki Daioh which Please Teacher and Please Twins were serialized in is clearly a Shonen mangazine. Therefore, both onegai's = Shonen..... NOT seinen (!)
Shakugan no Shana is in Dengeki Daioh... like the two PT's.
The manga version of samurai Champloo was published in a Shonen magazine.
Trinity Blood > monthly Asuka > ////Shojo////.
Warriors of Tao> wiki category (don't know the prepublication mag but I assume the wiki cag is correct) > Shonen
Video Girl Ai> Weekly ///shonen///// Jump therefore =/= seinen.
I suggest wikiers reconsider if they want to recreate the Progressive Anime article. If the idiots who keep adding anime/shonen/shojo to the list can start using their brain that'd work fine too. 80.198.55.166 17:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please don't add anime and shonen/shojo to this list 

message: Works fine with me. However if Onegai Teacher is seinen it should be added to this list. This depends entirely on one thing: I read on another language version of Dengeki Daioh's page that when D.Daioh became a monthly publication it shifted focus from seinen to shonen. However I'm not sure what year the change took place. If you knew when it happen we'd know where to list Onegai Teacher (I can't seem to find anything about this and figured you might know). 80.198.55.105 16:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A question

message: If anyone has read aria it is DEFINATELY shojou, its about GONDOLAS for petes sake!!! I have removed it, if you have a valid reason why its seinen feel free to comment.
:Here's a personal message for you from Matt, a guy who knows a bit about shoujo manga:
:The notion that a work should be classified as shoujo, shounen, seinen, whatever, based on its content or style shows an ignorance of the way the manga industry works. Subaru, by Masahito Soda, is a ballet manga whose protagonist is a girl, yet no Japanese manga fan would mistake it for anything other seinen manga, since it was serialized in the magazine Big Comic Spirits, which is nothing if not a seinen manga magazine. The manga in question, Aria, is serialized in Blade, which is an otaku-oriented magazine read by otaku of both (all?) genders. Such magazines have increased in recent years, and quite simply cannot be categorized as shounen, shoujo, seinen, or josei. Individual works may have more female fans than male, but that does not make it a shoujo manga.
:Personally I'd expect it to have a male-dominated readership, the girlies-of-lots-of-colours is bordering on h-game pick-n-mix. --zippedmartin 02:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aria???? 

message: the info in the list of seinen manga article should be transfered to the Seinen category and afterwards the article ought to be deleted. Then this article could link to the category instead. 87.51.114.252 11:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: If someone's up for the task...