Talk:Creed

message: I removed what really seemed to be a non-NPOV article link unrelated to any Islamic creed; article instead argues that Islam is "the true religion of God." Perhaps we could replace with article on the shahada?--Robotam 19:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Islamic Creed Link

message: I changed the disambig to Creed (band) because thats what people are probably searching for.
Awesimo 01:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambig 

message: This entry's assertion that "[t]he Jewish faith recognizes a single creed" strikes me as controversial at best, and inaccurate at worst.  
As I understand it, Judaism is not a creedal religion:  "By its nature," writes Rabbi Milton Steinberg, "Judaism is averse to formal creeds which of necessity limit and restrain thought."  Milton Steinberg, Basic Judaism, 35 (Harcourt, Inc., 1947).  "Judaism has never arrived at a creed because, highly as it rates the life of reason, it rates the good life even higher."  Id.
Moreover, by asserting that Judaism's creed necessarily involves a "strict unitarian monotheism, the belief in one God," the entry excludes and denigrates one of American Judaism's five movements -- the Humanistic Judaism of Rabbi Sherwin T. Wine.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherwin_T._Wine 
I think the entry should be revised to acknowledge that whether Judaism is a creedal faith is controversial, and probably to reflect the fact that not all of Judaism acknowledges God.  Eric Alan Isaacson 05:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have edited the article to reflect what I believe is the mainstream view, expressed by Rabbie Milton Steinberg and others, that Judaism is not a creedal faith.  Eric Alan Isaacson (talk) 17:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish Creed???

message: This entry speaks of "Assassin's creed II," leaving the impression that Christian faith is inherently creedal.  That is not necessarily so.  Creeds may be central for some Christian denominations, but they are rejected by others.  America's Unitarian Christians have traditionally rejected creeds, as have our Baptists.  Bishop John Shelby Spong, an Episcopalian, regards creeds as devices that create unnecessary division and strife.  
This article strikes me as (1) inappropriately biased in favor of creeds, (2) inaccurate or biased in its implicit assumption that Christian faith is creedal, and (3) inaccurate in its assertion that Jewish faith is creedal. Eric Alan Isaacson 05:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. The Baptists' soul competence needs to be in here. Jonathan Tweet 05:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The Episcopal Church is a "mainline" denomination, and Bishop Spong unquestionably a leader in that denomination, but I really don't object to your edit.  Eric Alan Isaacson (talk) 07:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Creedless Christians

message: The entry's opening sentence stated:  "Christianity, affirming that God has become incarnate in the human being Jesus, has formulated a number of statements of faith that seek to assert this doctrine."
This struck me as a partisan Trinitarian statement, that fails to take account of the Unitarian Christianity espoused by the Rev. Dr. Joseph Priestley, Rev. William Ellery Channing, and many others. 
I accordingly revised the opening sentence it to state:  "Trinitarian Christians, affirming that God has become incarnate in the human being Jesus, have formulated a number of statements of faith that seek to assert this doctrine."
Eric Alan Isaacson 16:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trinitarian Creeds

message: This article is heavily tilted toward Christian views on Creeds.  Would it make sense to have a general article on creed (i.e., this one), and then a more specific article on Creeds in Christianity.  That would allow the new article to have a clearer focus and broader depth of coverage, while reigning in the over-emphasis on Christian creeds in this article.  Thoughts?? Athanasius • Quicumque vult  23:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am new to this article, but upon review I agree that there is  problem with the title. The current title, Creed, is definitional in scope, which is not acceptable for Wikipedia. What appears to be the original intent is Christian Creeds specifically, the title Creeds in Christianity is excellent. --StormRider 20:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Having cross-posted at WP:X and WP:Religion, I will go ahead and start work on the more specific article next week, if there are no comments to the contrary.  Athanasius • Quicumque vult  16:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea to me. John Carter (talk) 19:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creed (Christianity) 

message: I have begun a draft of this page in my userspace.  It is very much not ready for prime time - not references, I haven't followed up to check on my wikilinks, and it is very incomplete.  I would welcome input and editing from others to help get it ready to move to the mainspace.  Thanks so much. Athanasius • Quicumque vult  16:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Athanasius1/Sandbox|Creeds and confessions in Christianity]] 

message: Should not all the creeds be written out so that the readers can compare them and see them equally represented?  Right now only the Apostles Creed is written out.
Unconsumed (talk) 14:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In all likelyhood, none of them probably should be.  IMHO. Athanasius • Quicumque vult  14:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that that looks much better and more consistent.  Thanks. Athanasius • Quicumque vult  17:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Representation

message: I have included subsections with references to other creeds that were in Wikipedia but were not included in the article, like the Athanasian creed. I have added a section about "non-religious creeds" and a section about "confessions of faith", which are the equivalent of creeds in many Protestant denominations. I have put "Christians without creeds" as a section instead of as a subsection, so it can be distinguished from the different creeds. Now the article has some logical order based on religion: firstly Christians creeds and equivalents (including non-creed Christian), secondly Jewish creeds, thirdly Islamic creeds, fourthly non-religious creeds).
 
I have deleted a paragraph that was not related to creeds, but with early Christianity. I have moved some sentences so the order is more logical. I have included the term "confession of faith" in the first section. I have linked the definition of "creed" with the article devoted to "statement of faith" and I have included in this definition the fact that a creed describes the beliefs shared by a religious community (as opposed to a personal statement of faith). 
I have moved the subsection about the creed of Gregory of Tours to the "Gregory of Tours" article. This "creed" (in fact, a declaration of faith) does not belong here, because it is a personal confession of faith (instead of a collective one) and it is not authoritative for a religious community. 
I have cleaned up the "See also" section so it does not repeat the links embedded in the article which refer to several creeds.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.50.192.206 (talk) 11:03, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some changes 

message: #Confession of faith and Creed#Christian confessions of faith attempt to make a distinction between creeds and confessions of faith based on length without any citation. I don't think this is a common distinction, and I don't see the need for a separate article. Furthermore, some of the creeds here (such as Credo of the People of God) are as long as some Protestant confessions. The increase in length of creeds following the Reformation does not make them different things. If there is a problem with overemphasis on Christian confessions, perhaps we should split that out.
#The Statement of faith lede does not make any distinction I can tell with Creed, as someone else has noticed at Talk:Statement of faith.
#Articles of Faith is supposedly about the content (articles) of various creeds. I don't see why we would want a separate article for this. This seems like a clear FORK.
I propose they all be merged into this article. --JFHutson (talk) 16:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Creed]] 

message: "Unitarian Universalists, who practice probably the most liberal of all religions, do not share a creed."
There is a following reference, which I unfortunately don't have access to.  What would be nice to verify is if "who practice probably the most liberal of all religions" comes from that referenced article.  It appears exagerated, considering the other existing liberal religions, some of which are not even Christian denominations. 76.10.128.192 (talk) 22:48, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the promotional-tone claim, but have kept the entry.  PaleoNeonate (talk) 11:42, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The most liberal of all religions" 

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