Talk:Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin

message: Do we really need a citation to back up the fact that the unexpected assassination of a prime minister by a terrorist shocked a country? It seems quite obvious to me. Anyway, some of the comments on the BBC forum for that day seem to reflect shock, not only in Israeli citizens, but also all over the world. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/witness/november/4/newsid_3211000/3211376.stm
Plus, every year, in the anniversary of Rabin's death, commemoration rallies are held. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/205476.stm or http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_205000/205153.stm and other pages on BBc news.
I suggest the citation needed caption should be removed.
B part 16:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Shock for most of the Israeli public..."

message: If there are alternate theories of the assassination, they aren't really "trivia" are they? If they exist, they should be elaborated rather than merely insinuated.
:Anon, the conspiracy theories are elaborated in their own article. gidonb 08:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: this is only accepted by nutjobs . . .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.36.161 (talk) 04:39, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Conspiracy theories

message: Quotes are here , please do not add them to article. --Haham hanuka 14:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These quotes are highly relevant for describing the murder. One is an iconic text, the other an expression by then the GSS director that sheds light at the preformance of the GSS during the murder. gidonb 14:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: Translating his words must be difficult, but either way translating 'tadhema' in this case to 'amazement' is wrong, so I changed it to 'dismay', which morfix lists as an appropriate translation for the word. 
Pity the distinction Haber used by saying "yagon amok" instead of the traditional "yagon koder" can't really be translated or the effect conveyed.. --Telecart 18:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eitan Haber's words 

message: Why is the murder of the Israeli Prime Minister Rabin referred to as an "execution" in this article?  The word execution confers some aura of justification to what was obviously a terrorist crime.  Why no discussion of the assassin, his purported justifications and his political goals?  A wider discussion of the political consequences of the assassination would be useful.
208.100.234.158 17:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Was just vandalism that should've been reverted, which I just did. Noon 17:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''"Execution"?'''

message: "The assassination led to the resignation of Shin Bet (also known as Shabak) chief Carmi Gillon, who was abroad when the murder took place.." I removed this from the article. Neutralitytalk 19:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed from article

message: the name of the murderer shouldn't be stated so as to obliterate his memory.  
Then go write a letter to my grey-haired mother, 
An' tell her the cowboy that she loved has gone. 
But please not one word of the man who had killed me. 
Don't mention his name and his name will pass on." 
(Johnny Cash,  Streets of Laredo)
Telaviv1 (talk) 11:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: killer's name

message: This article is amazingly short, given that it is as important (if not more so) than e.g. the John F. Kennedy assassination. Superm401 - Talk 10:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amazingly short 

message: Didn't the police-escorted car containing a seriously injured VIP take 22 minutes for a journey which can be walked in five?  Is that "rushed"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.211.148 (talk) 02:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rabin was "rushed" to hospital 

message: The "Yigal Amir" section is not balanced.  It presents the view of someone who rejects Amir's interpretation of Tanakh, but it doesn't present anything by Amir or those who agree with his interpretation.  If anything agreeing with Amir has been published, it should be added.  If nothing has been published, a statement should be added to say that nothing has been published.  Giving only the view of a rabbi who disagrees with him has the effect of saying "He read the text this way, but scholars disagree with him, so he was obviously wrong."  2001:18E8:2:1020:933:573C:3F71:6541 (talk) 19:30, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not balanced 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The security guard Yoram Rubin is wikilinked in the Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin#Assassination section, but he has no article and it's a redirect back to this article so the link should be removed. kyykaarme (talk) 18:55, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done , thank you for pointing that out.  The Yoram Rubin article was merged and redirected here almost a decade ago so the circular link has survived for quite a long while.   Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:07, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The link was added in 2016, so "only" 1,5 years. Thanks for the edit! -kyykaarme (talk) 21:43, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 March 2018 

message: .Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, for terrorism to be "religious terrorism" it just requires a significant part of the motivation to be religious in nature. Despite the edit summary of the next reverter, the article does cover that. Search for din rodef. Personally I don't like categories like this, but if we have them we have to treat them in a balanced fashion. Zerotalk 05:09, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Also, at the related article on the assassin, Yigal Amir, where the same editors are edit warring, it clearly states " "The attempt to grant religious authority to the murder...is completely inappropriate and amounts to cynical exploitation of Jewish law for goals that are alien to Judaism."" which emphasizes the religious aspect - as claimed by the assassin himself - of this event.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:26, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  The assassin relating to Jewish law does not make the motivation religious. Calling the assassination an act of terrorism is also not sourced - no terrorism in Assassination of John F. Kennedy.Icewhiz (talk) 13:58, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: "The assassin relating to Jewish law does not make the motivation religious." - oh please! Which part of "" "The attempt to grant RELIGIOUS authority to the murder..." is unclear? Volunteer Marek (talk) 14:14, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

text: See also .Volunteer Marek (talk) 14:21, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Since some folks are coming up with some very strange justifications for their reverts: 

message: It seems I am not able to edit this page.  I understand why that might be, but as it stands this page is awful... and I don't mean the political awful for which the editorial locks might be in place: the page is objectively badly written whatever position any given reader might take.  To give but one example, the phrase "The assassination of Israeli Prime Minister and Defence Minister Yitzhak Rabin was the culmination of an anti-violence rally" makes it sound as if the actual aim of the "anti-violence rally" was to assassinate the PM.  This paints a picture that is uniquely opposite to the actual events: What is meant, obviously, is that the assassination occurred simultaneous to the culmination of the rally... but not that the assassination was the culmination.  I have no words for how egregiously bad is this sentence and the dramatically awful reflection this is upon wikipedia.   It does not get better from there...  Has this article been locked to all but fifth graders?  TreebeardTheEnt (talk) 00:02, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is very problematic. 

message: Change Marcheshvan to just Cheshvan. Cheshvan is the name of the month, Mar Cheshvan is a nickname for the month based on the fact that it has no holidays (see the Wiki page it hyperlinks to which is correct) 68.134.112.81 (talk) 15:21, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the most common name should be used, which is probably Cheshvan. However, for the record, your reason is incorrect. Marcheshvan is not a nickname for Cheshvan. It is the other way around: Marcheshvan is the original name derived from the Babylonian calendar and Cheshvan is an abbreviation of it. This article explains it and more secular sources could be added. Zerotalk 21:03, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 November 2020 

message: The article states that Bar Ilan is a religious university, however, although Bar Ilan caters to the religious community, there is no mandatory participation in any religious class or program, as such, it has a diverse student body and should not be considered a religious university.
Source:
https://biuinternational.com/religious-life-on-campus/#:~:text=Although%20Bar-Ilan%20University%20is,%2C%20spiritual%20traditions%2C%20and%20cultures. מיכאל אליהו ק (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no such description of Bar-Ilan in this article. If I've missed it, please feel free to reopen this request (set "yes" to "no" in the template text above) and be more specific as to the text that should be changed. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:55, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 April 2021 

message: i request to change the main photo to this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Song_For_Peace.png
or the original which has a journalist holding the paper: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Assassination_of_Prime_Minister_Yitzhak_Rabin,_1995_XI_Dan_Hadani_Archive.jpg
it's a photo of a man holding the paper, soaked with rabin's blood, which held the song " a song for peace " which Rabin had in his pocket while he was shot. it's a much more powerful image than the location of the murder. i suggest to change the photos זים הפולש (talk) 13:47, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to change the main photo 

message: Add a hyperlink explaining the Din Rodef in the Background section of the article. There is an article about the Rodef (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodef). Marcel Grote (talk) 13:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done The section has 2 links to the same article. Won't add any more to avoid WP:OVERLINK. NotAGenious (talk) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2023 

message: Footnote 3 requires a page number. That page number is 331-32. I just looked up the book and checked it against every instance of the references in the text to footnote 3. Michael Zigismund (talk) 14:29, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 14:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 December 2023 

message: Footnote 7 requires a page number from Thiel (2016). I found the 2009 edition, the page number for which is 196. Michael Zigismund (talk) 12:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 196 in 2016 edition as well, I've just checked in Google Books. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 December 2023 

message: This has a gramatic mistake. It should say "Yitzhak Rabin came immediately after..." instead of follow. Thanks.Pritagros (talk) 11:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!  14:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 February 2024