Talk:Multi-touch

message: Hi all!
It's looking like user:Alexanderaelberts trys to promote links of his own webside (www.multitouch-software.com)  with section Omnitapps... . 
I am new on Wiki and don't know how I can deleted this changes from user:Alexanderaelberts.
Thanks (YahooBot (talk) 13:10, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  SEO 

message: I've been editing the page the past few days, and while I'm interested in the many multitouch interfaces out there, it seems all the products and examples should be in their own list, similar to the List of Multi-Touch Computers and Monitors, with mentions of seminal technologies like the iPhone in the history and overview sections of the article. I have a template here, but could use help filling it out or starting the actual page. Also, I've been slowly but surely trying to fill out the history of multitouch section too if anyone wants to tackle that with me.
Thanks! Rosieate (talk) 17:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Products 

message: Someone please add this when you have a chance: http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/bamboo_touch.php  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.36.58 (talk) 05:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wacom Bamboo (Pen and) Touch

message: Interactive Whiteboard and classroom technology company Promethean has been previewing its multitouch interface - I added an overview and some links - Uses EM pen based technology so you can trace and lean on surface... so is another development direction in the space - and hopefully one that will be in the hands of several million kids in a few months.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.85.39 (talk) 20:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Promethean Multi-input

message: FingerWorks produced a line of keyboards that incorporated multi-touch gestures.
:I'm having a hard time imagining how a multi-touch keyboard would work.  Can anyone provide an example or a link where I can read up on it? -Pan Sola 15:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out chordic keyboards Pan Sola.  Some of the first computer keyboards made, the BAT which was a part of Engelbert's original augmentation system, where chordic.  --Rektide 16:27, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I think they just have a multitouch pad as part of the keyboard, kinda like a laptop Fry-kun (talk) 01:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, the entire keyboard surface is multi-touch, and you can switch between tapping the flat keyboard and dragging your fingers across it to switch between typing and using mouse or 'keypad' features.  See the fingerworks article for a link to the (now defunct) company site, with details.  +sj + 13:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  multi-touch keyboard? 

message: I suggest replacement of most of the links, to meet with the Wikipedia policies, by this page:
An overview with demo videoclips related to touchscreens. A page about Jeff Han, TED conference, Microsoft Surface and lots of other touchscreen related stuff. -- KumpelBert 13:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  There was an excellent interview with Bill Gates regardin Microsoft Surface on the NBC Today Show today (Saturday, 2 June 2007).  /Blaxthos 14:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for cleaning up the links, but how is this interview related to the problem of external links? -- intgr #%@! 14:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not... it was just an aside/comment I placed there for convenience.  /Blaxthos 15:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: This article does not mention the two major patents purchased by Apple, originally filed by Fingerworks, as part of the Fingerworks buyout, which give Apple major amounts of control over how typing can occur on a touch screen, notably their exclusive rights to chording:  . While the Wikipedia article governing touchscreens describes the touchscreen market as nearly patent free, these two patents create an IP minefield for those attempting to compete with Apple.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.106.6.197 (talk) 02:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is because, in an encyclopedia, references to products that use a given technology is not necessary. For example, if you look up "plastic", you don't see a list of products that are made of plastic. Just because Product-X mentions using Technology-Y, that doesn't mean Technology-Y's article must also mention Product-X. Logically, multi-touch may become a commonplace among electronic devices, so it is assumed that the list will become quite lengthy in about a year or so. Therefore, we shouldn't be mentioning specific products today, and then a year from now put a stop to it or place some sort of rule on what products should be kept in and left out. Groink 00:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe Droid has multi-touch, so you don't have to worry :)  -Lester 06:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Information 

message: I did an extensive addition of this section, then after reading the above comment, I considered removing both my addition and reference to various other commercial computers as I really agree with the above point.  However, in the meantime, another editor (Talk) drastically shortened my addition.  Unfortunately, the revision was factually inaccurate.  I corrected the inaccuracies and added references for all the defects alleged in the revised revised section. Tbonge (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dell Latitude XT

message: The MacBook Pros already have MultiTouch (before the MacBook Air), but i'm not sure if the standard MacBooks have MultiTouch. Could someone verify this for me? Chris 02:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To be fair, until today they didn't precisely have multi touch as I understand it...it could just tell a small touch from a big touch. My friend and I messed around with his and we got it to the the two finger scrolling with our knuckle. With the latest updates the two do have real multitouch though.    14:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MacBooks and MacBook Pros 

message: If I understand correctly, some IBM tablets have "MultiTouch" screens - but in their case, it means you can either use a wacom pen or a finger. Nowhere do they boast multi-finger recognition (so it's a different technology) Fry-kun (talk) 01:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  need disambiguation for IBM multitouch screens 

message: Is HTC Touch Diamond(TouchFLO 3D) multi-touch tech or single point touch tech? TouchFLO is single point touch. There is nothing about multi-touch or single-touch in TouchFLO 3D . --CCFS (talk) 04:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  HTC Touch Diamond(TouchFLO 3D) multi-touch or single point touch? 

message: The article talks about the first paper about multi-touch but there is no information about that paper given. I added a "Citation needed" as I did not find the paper.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.66.237.56 (talk) 12:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a Bell Labs reference, which as described was about touch screens, multi-touch in particular. --NealMcB (talk) 17:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Paper References 

message: Multi-touch Displays vs. Multi-touch Controllers seems quite a bad distinctions, also the controllers section does not feature any real controllers, mostly laptops with multi-touch. If the multi-touch products should be grouped, how about products which are available to end users and those which are not (concept stage, limited release like Surface). --84.178.124.30 (talk) 17:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad sections 

message: "Including, but not limited to" is lawyer-speak and is unnecessary since "including" implies additional items already. --Unimath (talk) 12:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  including, but not limited to 

message: Heh and I thought that products like the Apple I Phone/Pod and Nintendo DS had only finger touch technologies. But guess I was wrong. This seems more interesting. Like you can get work more done more quicker etc... Zeta Nova 23:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo DS/Windows 7 

message: This seems more like a demo to me. They made a publicity stunt half a year ago, but there is still no word on when this product might be available. There are a lot of companies which could do an impressive tech demo, but this does not mean these should be included on Wikipedia. If there is no more information on this, is should be deleted, because it is a mix of advertisement and speculation. Also it is not a full touch screen, just a little screen which serves as touch pad, so I'm moving it into the relevant section. --84.178.61.194 (talk) 11:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sharp Mebius 

message: The article is full of non-notable product listings. It reads like an advertisement for these products. They should not be there at all, unless they made some notable contribution to the development of multi-touch technology. Otherwise, all the rest must be deleted. Besides, it's usually the operating system, and the company that manufactured the screen, that is responsible.--Lester 06:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many products. Delete them! 

message: The ipod touch has been released before the iphone.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.45.63.107 (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple 

message: I removed this from the article:
"As of the beginning of November 2009, there are no touch-enabled laptops with resolutions equal to or higher than (W)SXGA+ (1680x1050).
The highest-resolution touch-enabled laptops which approach WSXGA+ are the Lenovo T400S (1440x900 or (W)XGA+/(W)SXGA), and the Dell Studio 17 (1600x900; however a 1920x1050 resolution and 8-core processor version exists for the non-touchscreen model, and those options are "in the works"http://en.community.dell.com/blogs/direct2dell/archive/2009/11/20/multi-touch-comes-to-dell-s-studio-17.aspx to be added to the touch model).
As of the beginning of November 2009, all other laptops are at most (W)XGA (1366x768). There have only ever been a handful of tablet PCs with high resolution (e.g. Toshiba m200 with 1400x900, circa 2004), which are all no longer produced."
It seems like this statement is wrong- most laptops have resolutions no higher than WSXGA+ (1680x1050). The fact that the Dell Studio 17 doesn't have a 1920x1050 multi-touch option is not exactly a trend. Furthermore, many all-in-ones such as the Sony Vaio L-series have 1080p screens.  Thecurran91 (talk) 22:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low Resolution Trend? 

message: The intro paragraph used to say that the "Multi-touch" belongs to Apple.  That's not backed up by facts.  The facts are:
* Apple list it on their trademarks page
* Apple make no claim that the items in that list are recognised by any trademarks office as belonging to Apple
* It wasn't on that list on November 11th 2007
So there's nothing to confirm the validity of their claim, and a lot to doubt.  The article should be careful not to overstate Apple's claim. Gronky (talk) 02:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple's dubious trademark 

message: This article fails to do its job since it never actually defines "Multi-touch" at all. Instead, it rambles on and on about the history of Multi-touch technology, how it physically operates, etc. I would think that most people would come here to find out what the heck it even MEANS, and how it's different from using the single-touch touchpad.  I mean, in what circumstance would I want to send to separate commands to the computer with two fingers?  I can't think of a single instance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.226.142 (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, suggest how the article can be improved or change it as per WP:BOLD, and first example that springs to mind is Ipods use of two fingers for zooming in on a map for example, normally done with index finger and a thumb. Cheers Khukri 18:14, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Lacks a Definition or Usefulness

message: : "Apple falsely stating they 'invented multi touch' as part of the iPhone announcement"
Hmm, I'm not seeing that.  If you watch the video, he actually says they "invented a new technology called Multi-Touch" (note capitalization -- it appears on screen as he says it).  He then lists "Multi-finger gestures" as one feature of it, and also compares it to other touch screens, listing some features unique to their implementation.  It sounds to me like "Multi-Touch" is the name for Apple's implementation of it, but not that he's claiming to have invented multi-touch itself.
The issue is confused by two things.  First, Apple tends to use English words as product names, which often match exactly the generic product categories that other companies also use.  Off the top of my head: "System {version number}", "CD" and "TV", "Scanner", "USB Mouse", "USB Modem", "Keyboard" and "Adjustable Keyboard", and "Network Server".  Second, if you look at other Apple product announcements he does tend to say "invented" where other people might say "implemented".  For example, he also said they "invented" the App Store -- again, note the capitalization, which indicates an Apple implementation, not the concept itself.  I don't think anyone assumed he meant that Apple invented the idea of selling Apps in a Store (ha!), nor do I think that Apple intended that, but simply that Apple had built their own and that "App Store" was their name for it.
I'm not sure what the purpose of this half of the sentence is -- it sounds unnecessarily argumentative, anyway.  Should we go into all the Apple product articles on wikipedia and add "Apple false claimed to have 'invented {noun}'"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.163.72.2 (talk) 18:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If it can be verified using reliable sources then yes. With respect to touch screens, Apple patented technologies that have been around or in development for some 20 years, now nothing wrong with that more fool those who didn't patent it, but to then claim they invented it is incorrect. I don't think it's a question of semantics or interpretation of the English language, they say it quite a few places explicitly that they invented multi-touch or multi-touch capacitance sensing which is incorrect. Cheers Khukri 07:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple & "invention" 

message: Wellner undoubtedly did this, and it is specifically referenced on page 29 of his PhD Thesis: P D Wellner "Interacting with Paper on the DigitalDesk", PhD Thesis, University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory, October 1993. It appears that this should be the cited reference, because the youtube video currently referenced was not published until 2008 (it may well have been made in 1991, but it does not appear to have been published then - that is, it does not appear to be verifiable in the sense required by wikipedia). Although there are earlier papers on DigitalDesk, none of them appear to mention multi-finger gestures. 
Separately, there is the issue of whether DigitalDesk should be appearing here at all, since it was primarily a camera based system, not relying on touch (though it did use vibration to pick up taps).
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Urilabob (talk • contribs) 02:42, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wellner and Multi-finger Gestures 

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message: * Now that 2012 has passed, this statement needs to be rephrased. Also, additional data points would strengthen the point being made.Small-scale touch devices are rapidly becoming commonplace, with the number of touch screen telephones expected to increase from 200,000 shipped in 2006 to 21 million in 2012.[24]
* Is the following still true, or does the verb tense need to be changed?A few companies are focusing on large-scale surface computing rather than personal electronics, either large multi-touch tables or wall surfaces. These systems are generally used by government organizations, museums, and companies as a means of information or exhibit display.
* And this?In the past few years, several companies have released products that use multi-touch.This last item has no citation, and the statement is vague, making it difficult to ascertain the intended meaning, let alone the time frame. This sentence currently appears under the heading "Implementations," and it is followed by a brief statement about DIY touchscreens, so perhaps it refers to availability of multi-touch screens as components rather than popular consumer products (mobile phones, tablets, laptops computers)? Or perhaps it is out of place? Clarification would be welcome.
George9eg (talk) 06:49, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time-Sensitive Information 

message: When I was searching to find pages that related to "Pinch Technology", I was directed into page "Multi-touch". This two pages have no connection together. Please correct it and relate "Pinch Technology" to page "Pinch analysis". thanks.Shahriar70 (talk) 23:15, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  pinch technology doesn't relate to Multi-touch 

message: This article covers such a vast subject that it leaves out too many details, with no clue about where to find the missing info... What are the most common current standard touch/multitouch hardware interfaces, for external monitors etc? USB? Serial port? What else? What article does/should cover this?-71.174.184.36 (talk) 13:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  touch hardware interface 

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