Talk:Kurdish Christians

message: Someone add more info to the topic
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There are many followers in Ranye. Thanks. Ermanos 15:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  INFORMATION 

message: I changed followers of Jesus to "Christians" (as ip forgot to log in) because it seemed more proper and the wording of the article sounded like a brochure missionaries would hand out  at a church to get donations. I believe this to be the most non-biased way of phrasing this ChrisLamb 19:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Followers of Jesus? 

message: Most scholarship considers Tiridates III to be of Parthian and/or Armenian descent. He was a king of Arsacid Armenia. Making the claim using only a couple sources that he was an ethnic Kurd seems to be cherrypicking, considering that there are hundreds of other sources that consider him an Armenian or Parthian.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/tiridates-iii-armenian-king
https://www.ancient.eu/Tiridates_I_of_Armenia/
https://gw.geneanet.org/comrade28?lang=en&n=armenia&oc=0&p=king+tiridates+iv+of
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Arsacid_Dynasty_of_Armenia
:Thank you for taking notice. I removed mention of Theophobos as well. The utter vast majority reliable sources consider him Iranian, not Kurdish (see also; ). Removed some WP:OR as well and added proper references for the at least partial Kurdish origin of the Armenian-Georgian Zakarids–Mkhargrdzeli. Whoever added them to the page, did not adhere to WP:NPOV vis-a-vis their origins. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:58, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiridates III Not Kurdish

message: I removed the POV check which at the time it was added was required. However i believe the main problem with the article was refering to Christians as "Folowers of Jesus" which i corrected (see above) if anyoe disagrees please feel free to add in the pov check once again and explain. ChrisLamb 18:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After re-reading the article and reading the discussion below I believe a POV check is probably in order, however before I repost it would be great to have some consenus on this ChrisLamb 19:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think yes we need POV check  since the article is still POV.--Aziz1005 19:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree. Even if 1000 Kurds have converted as stated in the article below, to claim In recent years there has been a growing number of Muslim background Kurds who have converted to Christianity is simply blowing things out of proportion. Lets keep in mind the Kurds are a nation of 25+ million people! And I have never heard of a Christian Kurd in Turkey, Iran, Armenia as the article currently claims. Chaldean 20:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok the POV check is back ChrisLamb 20:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement in question is bad as per WP:WEASEL. Weather you (Chaldean) hear about something or not is irrelevant, you are not a reliable source. :) -- Cat chi? 20:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: I met a Kurd in the USA, he said he was christian. However, he wasn't a convert? (or maybe he didn't want to tell me that). Is their certain regions in Kurdistan that had historic presence of Christians? (the article mainly talks about the conversions), which is confusing. All in all does anyone know the total population of the Kurdish Christians?--Skatewalk 02:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Christians in Kurdistan

message: The wording of many phrases in the Contemporary Kurdish Christians section (especially those referring to Islam or Muslims)is extremely POV and needs to be reviewed by the community. Also while more actual numbers have been added since the last time this was discussed the section about Muslim conversion to Christianity is still  ambiguous when it talks about converts.
ChrisLamb 22:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Daniel Ali is a convert to Christianity, check out his article before putting useless tags.Heja Helweda 04:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV Check for Contemporary Kurdish Christians(9/27/07) 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Kurdzman Church of Christ.jpg

message: I remember once I was reading a medieval era book which was about visit of the German physician Leonhard Rauwolff through Kurdistan. According to the book, the majority of the Kurds were Christians or more accurately according to the book Nestorians. I cannot say wether he is right or not when saying majority of Kurds are Nestorians, but at least it gives us the information that there was significant numbers of Christian Kurds at least up to the 16th century.  Peshéw (talk) 21:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No your mixing things up. Nestorian Christians in what is "Kurdistan" were actually Assyrians. Kurds have never been Nestorians. Chaldean (talk) 05:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not mixing things up! He mentions in his book Assyria, Babylonia, Chaldea, Media, Mesopotamia, Parthians and seems to have a good knowledge of history of the region. He says ...Kurds who live in Kurdistan province of Ottoman empire, which lies between Media and Mesopotamia alongside Tigris. ...are the same people who harrassed Xenophon and his men... I don't see he is talking about Assyrians of Kurdistan. Peshéw (talk) 08:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Christians of what Church were they? Chaldean (talk) 23:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He says most of them are Nestorians. Peshéw (talk) 09:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That I know for a fact that is not true. Kurds have never been Nestorians. But you can ask User:Garzo himself about it, since his very educated about the issue.  Chaldean (talk) 16:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article already reads traditionally Christian Kurds were Nestorian. Indeed there are numerous books by travellers or reaserchers who visited Kurdistan and mention Kurdish Christians, But the one I'm talking about is notable for some reasons; one is the date of the book which is relatively old. another reason is the witness is not talking about some Kurds or a minority of Kurds. One gets the impression that as if much of Kurdish population is a recent convert to Islam under local Muslim-Kurdish emirates, probably towards the last centuies of Ottoman period. I welcome comments by Garzo. Peshéw (talk) 16:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is what I'm trying to tell you: in old/historic books and even today, scholars make the mistake of calling Assyrians "Kurdish Christians". Here is a perfect example: [] - this guy and his village is wrongly labelled Kurdish, since he is really Assyrian. Chaldean (talk) 17:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware of the confusion which exists between Kurdish Nestorians and Semitic Nestorians reflected in some sources. But is Assyrian a Persian-like language with Arabic and Chaldean lown-words? (answer: of course not) Isn't that tongue Kurdish? Peshéw (talk) 17:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pêşewe, I don't agree with your conjecture. There is no evidence about the claim that Nestorians were Kurds or vice versa. The only thing that I have read is that they usd to live side by side as neighbors. Nestorians have their own distinct history, language and ethnicity. This article deals strictly with Kurdish Christians not Nestorians or Assyrians.Heja Helweda (talk) 19:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Heja, Nestorian is NOT an ethnic designation, it was only name of a religious sect in Kurdistan, who included both Iranians (Kurds) and Semitics (Aramaic-speakings). To this day there are sizable numbers of Kurds who bear the title of Nestori. examples can be found among the Mukri Kurds.  Peshéw (talk) 14:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am NOT aware of any documnets about Kurdish Nestorians, I would be grateful if you show me references in that regard. Until then, it just remains as an unproven claim. Sorry about the strict tone, but we have to be careful not to mix rumours with serious academic work.Heja Helweda (talk) 23:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean reference to Leonhard Rauwolf? Peshéw (talk) 10:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Late Medieval Kurdish Christians

message: There was no mention of Kurds/Kurdistan until the late middle ages let alone fantastic stories of st. Andrew preaching among the "Kurds". The "Kurdish Kingdom" mentioned by a certain Coptic preacher is probably either Osroene or Adiabene, which were both Aramaic speaking kingdoms. I am adding a POV tag for now.--Rafy talk 03:02, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Acts of Martyrs translated by Paul Bedjan refers to early Christianity in Qardu, a region which according to the EOI vol.5 p.448 was probably populated by Semitic speaking peoples who might have been later partly assimilated by Kurds. Coptic source talks about Kurdistan and not Kurds.--Rafy talk 00:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The regional designation Qardu shouldn't be presumed to be synonymous with the term Kurdistan, since there is no conclusive research that demonstrates such a link.81.229.176.77 (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Mention of Kurds in Early Christianity

message: Refer to original sources (there are plenty of 12-15th century original manuscript in Matenadaran that classify this claim as a joke). Basing such claims on hypothesis of couple of 20th century historians with no reference to original sources suggesting that the grand, grand, grandfather of Ivane and Zakare may have had kurdish origin (though kurds aren't met/known in original Armenian (or any other writen language) sources(manuscripts)  prior to way after late middle ages), is ridicilous. In addition there is no single original source, nor a source with reference to original one suggesting that they where converted to christianity. They have been christians as far as their history goes. Only documented religious conversion concerning Zakarids was conversion of younger of the brothers, Ivane, from Armenian Apostolic to greek Orthodoxy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayordi (talk • contribs) 21:38, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Royal Aremian Zakarid family as kurdish family 

message: According to news (http://rudaw.net/kurmanci/people-places/220220151) it is said there is a big group. Thanks Anton.aldemir (talk) 20:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  News Ortodox Kurds 

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