Talk:Gulf Cartel

message: just curious if this would be a relevant subject for this article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.255.227.137 (talk) 10:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if that would be considered so important; in the article of the Mexican Drug War, under the journalist section, there's the actual count for all journalist killed. But, I remember a specific incident from CDG that actually made world news. I think it was that journalist that was killed in Matamoros during the shooting where 'Tony Tormenta' was killed, too. It is mentioned under the Present Day section here. Hope this helps.  ComputerJA (talk) 16:17, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  many journalist are assasinated by the gulf cartel just this year alone 

message: Jorge Eduardo Costilla Sánchez (Los Metros) and Mario Cárdenas Guillén (Los Rojos) are the two leaders of the Gulf Cartel. Since Los Rojos are formed primarily by those of the Cárdenas drug family, and since Mario has been pronounced as leader in several publications,  do y'all think he should be included in the template as one of the leaders of the organization?
He is also believed to be the leader of Matamoros, Tamaulipas, since the death of Tony Tormenta and the recent capture of El Junior.  ComputerJA (talk) 17:03, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario Cárdenas Guillén, the other forgotten leader 

message: this article is pretty good for info but the spelling and grammar are a bit rough.
i'll do what i can over the next few days but some sections are confusing. i suspect that the original author was a spanish speaker and has chosen some odd phrases ie a "persecution" refering to groups of gunmen and marines who didn't fight, dunno what they meant, perhaps procession? but this would seem out of context in regards urban warfare between the army and drug cartel soldiers.
anyway thanks for posting author/s, keep it up!
Teknotiss (forgot to sign in AGAIN!)
::You're right. Make sure to make any grammatical corrections if the article needs them. And, yes, I'm a native Spanish speaker. I've been speaking English for only four and a half years, so I tend to mess up here and there. Thanks for stopping by! ComputerJA (talk) 21:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs a re-write for grammar and spelling. also word choices are a little odd 

message: Here's a good article in Spanish about the Gulf cartel in 2012. There are some valuable stuff mentioned, which we can use for expansion later. It was a good reading too.  ComputerJA (talk) 21:16, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gulf cartel in 2012 

message: I'll be adding the info of the Metros and Rojos infighting in the new article. It is better summarized, more comprehensive, and has reliable sources. ComputerJA (talk) 19:43, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Infighting in the Gulf Cartel]] 

message: Not sure who, or what group of, people have been working on this article since I last saw it (many, many months ago at least), but I wanted to say good job. This is the level and quantity of information I feel every cartel article on here deserves. They have and are playing such a major role in the contemporary history of Mexico that I've always felt more info should be out there for when the average citizen reads an article or see's a TV show about a cartel and Google's their name and ends up on Wikipedia. I have had about a year break from regular editing and glad much has been done for the various articles part of the "Mexican Drug War."  jlcoving (talk) 04:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Work 

message: Golfo Nueva Generación is a new branch (or split off group) of the Gulf Cartel. I think it might also be its new name.   ComputerJA (talk) 08:49, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golfo Nueva Generación 

message: Some information in semanary proceso a faction of Z joined the CDG, the command of Ivan Velazquez Caballero and family. Whereupon the CDG controls parts of Zacatecas, Nuevo Leon and San Luis Potosi. Information from local media that the CDG controls throw the Huasteca region, middle and center. The Z cartel controls some highland municipalities, like Matehuala. 
http://www.proceso.com.mx/?p=320694
--MxAntne (talk) 20:16, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *Hi. What you mentioned about the Zetas who left to the CDG is explained in Iván Velázquez Caballero's article. I did not find any information about CDG's control in San Luis Potosí, Zacatecas and Nuevo León. The source only says that remnants of Velázquez Caballero's faction OPERATE in the region, but whether they exercise control or not is unknown. ComputerJA (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Gulf-Z in northeastern states 

message: *Hi , thank you for your recent edits. Breitbart News is widely regarded as an "unreliable" source on Wikipedia, but I brought up a specific usage for it on articles about the Gulf Cartel at the reliable source noticeboard and in a drug lord's talkpage a few months back. One of the editors on the Mexican Drug War section in this newspaper, Ildefonso Ortiz, is an expert in the Gulf Cartel/Los Zetas. He was hired from The Monitor after working there for many years.
:Understanding the Gulf Cartel is extremely difficult, as they are now a conglameration of groups, though the article may not entirely reflect this since it hasn't been updated (i.e. Metros, Rojos, Ciclones, Deltas, Cartel Del Noroeste, Cartel del Centro, Panteras, Gamas, XX, etc.), and with numerous regional warlords per city/town (from my findings, there are about 20–30 "Ciclones" ring leaders just in Matamoros). Breitbart News under Mr. Ortiz has done a great job at keeping up-to-date with the complicated series (see here, here,  here, here, and here), just to illustrate a few examples. The leading national press circulations are mostly based in Mexico City (El Universal, La Jornada, Milenio, Proceso, etc.), but they lack a detailed understanding of the major players/day-to-day of the Gulf Cartel. The press in Tamaulipas state, where the Gulf Cartel is headquartered, has high levels of press censorship due to organized crime intimidation. Mexicans there usually rely on the Texan media to understand what's going on (see here, here, here, and here, which even quotes Mr. Ortiz). Local Mexican reporters often work with their counterparts in Texas to publish info without being killed.
:I try to be particularly careful with Breitbart News, and whenever I can find an alternative source, I use it. But specifically for the Gulf Cartel, I've found there aren't any that are quite as in-depth (unless there are sources like this, which are not reliable). Any thoughts? Thanks and sorry for the long explanation. MX (✉ • ✎) 14:08, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I remember those discussions. As far as I know, consensus has consistently been that Breitbart is not a reliable source for statements of fact. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:15, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since I'm not actively expanding Gulf Cartel articles (I'm currently working on the Jalisco New Generation Cartel}, I won't revive this discussion in the noticeboard page. But when I do, I'll ping you if you're still around. Cheers! MX (✉ • ✎) 14:49, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breitbart News specifically for the Gulf Cartel 

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