Talk:Siston

message: Is this the book used: 
* Caroline Thorn, Frank Thorn (ed.) and John Morris (gen. editor) (1985) Domesday Book: Devon. '9 Devon, Parts 1 & 2. Chichester: Phillimore Press. Bk. i. 168 ai
for: "Domesday Bk. i. 168ai"?
If it is, it's commented out in the article, the comment format just needs to be removed.--CaroleHenson (talk) 14:17, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domesday book 

message: Please verify if these are the correct citations:
* from a letter summarised in the Cecil PapersCecil Papers: Miscellaneous 1607, Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House, 16-30, Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House. 19: (1965) [1607], pp. 433 (124.72) Retrieved 8 July 2013. 
* "Sir Morris Dennis" Cecil Papers: December 1607, 16-30, Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House. 19: (1965) [1607], p.374 (123.113) Retrieved 8 July 2013. 
And, please provide a bit more information to determine the source info from http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ or another source for
* Cecil Papers. vol 24. 6/5/1609. Re Billingsley's claim.
Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 16:40, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cecil papers 

message: Here's a summary of the information I'm unable to substantiate and/or it's not on target with the article subject:
:1. Regarding the church murals: Other alterations were also effected. McCalmont had family connections in Florence going back to before 1836, when an ancestor Sarah McCalmont was buried in the English Cemetery. She had effected similar murals and stained glass in the Redwood Chapel in Hanford, Calif. which the English Colony there had founded. She seemed motivated in her art by a desire to bring Enlightenment through Culture, as a parallel force  to Religion, and thus sought to bring the power of possibly the highest culture ever known, that of the Medici Princes of Florence, to Siston, for the benefit of her community. It is interesting to note that she was looked upon as a kindly employer by her servants, and in London urged them to visit matinee performances at the theatre, perhaps another manifestation of her cultural evangelism.
::* the information is not directly related to the topic: Siston
::* this sources does not have the information for the above content Rourke, Elana. (2010). Siston Court Remembered Pucklechurch. Retrieved 8 July 2013.
::* Unable to find sources to expand upon the mural/fresco information already in the article.
:2. Murals at St Anne: The pre-Raphaelite style wall painting after Burne-Jones on the chancel arch of angels worshiping was executed in 1911 by Margaret Anna McCalmont (1863–1937) (Mrs Rawlins of Siston Court) based on the two frescos.Warmley & Siston Chronicles, 1911
::* Only Warmley & Siston Chronicles able to find are at an unreliable site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brizzlebornandbred/4019547474/
::* the cgfa links are dead links and wayback archives found sites not accessed since 2011 or before - and unable to access any archived pages of these links.
::* unable to find other sites, which is unfortunate, because it's very interesting and only got part of this information from reliable, published sources.
::* Added strike out through information I was able to find from a reliable source.
:3. Date of construction of Siston manor by Denys/Dennis: It was probably commenced post 1545 when Denys  married aged 29 but before 1548 when he removed to Calais to take up the post of Treasurer. It surely must have been completed before his financial problems commenced about 1552. It was probably uncompleted by 1549, when the widowed Queen Katherine Parr died, having shortly before spent 8 weeks residing in the immediate vicinity at the possibly lower status Mounts Court. Had Siston been completed by then it is likely she would have stayed there.
::* This seems to be original research, by the presence of "surely", "probably", "likely" - and the absence of a reliable published source.
:4. In the Siston Court section: Denys was second son of Sir William Denys (d.1533) of nearby Dyrham Park, Sheriff of Gloucestershire at his death and an Esquire of the Body of Henry VIII. See the Charter under the Great Seal of H VIII in the hall of Dyrham Park (National Trust) to Sir Wm. Denys and Lady Ann Berkeley, daughter of 13th.Feudal, de jure 8th.by Writ, Baron Berkeley, de jure 2nd. Marquis Berkeley (d.1506)P. W. Montague-Smith (editor). (1968). Debrett's Peerage, Baronetage, Knightage and Companionage. Kelly's Directories. p. 139 who had been disinherited. The first Marquis (d.1491), his brother, had settled upon H VII and his heirs male, failing which to his own rightful heirs, the castle, lands and lordships composing the Barony of Berkeley. On the death of E VI the inheritance reverted to the Berkeleys. by his brother for marrying beneath his honour Isabel Meade, d. of a Bristol Alderman. Alderman Philip Meade, of Meade Place, Wraxall, a substantial citizen, one time Mayor of Bristol and an ally of the Berkeleys in the local armed skirmish "Battle of Nibley Green" in which he supplied a contingent of troops.
::* This appears to be background genealogical information - and not directly related to Siston Court.
:5. Sanderson Miller (1716–1780) was a wealthy amateur architect who married Susanna the daughter of Edward Trotman of Siston Court. He was a pioneer with Horace Walpole of the Georgian Gothic Revival, specialising in constructing follies such as octagonal towers and "ruined" castles. He apparently built for Mr Trotman the octagonal "pepper pot" gate houses and the lodge, and had drafted plans for a "Poor's House" inscribed "Siston, Nov.21 1759".Hawkes, H.W. Dissertation on the Architectural Work of Sanderson Miller of Radway. 1964. p. 75. It appears these were never built. Yet Miller's heritage was not just in stone, for his third daughter Hester married Fiennes Trotman, her cousin and heir of Siston Court, who were ancestors to its later owners. The Miller alterations appear to be the only ones made to the Denys's Tudor building by the Trotmans, who thus bequeathed an almost pure Tudor building to the 20th century, having avoided the common Georgian trend of demolition and rebuilding anew.
::* Found info that Miller may have "influenced" the lodges, not that he was the architect. 
::* Inserted info able to find so far. His article is the best place for his biographical information.
::* Found that John Burke said that Susannah's father was Edward, added article note re: other source that said her father was Samuel.
:6a. Regarding Siston Courty, Chimney section: An image of an interior from 1930 can be seen in W.J. Robinson's "Siston Court" showing Oliver Cromwell's cavalry jack boots, left behind by himRobinson, W.J. (1930). "Siston Court". West Country Manors. Bristol. p. 168. 
::* It could be I'm missing something, but are these the same pair of boots? 
::* Link to info about the auctioned boots 
:6b. whilst lodging with Samuel Trotman, standing on an ornate Renaissance Tudor chimneypiece in the hall, which still  displayed Trotman armorials in an elaborate plasterwork escutcheon. This may be the that referred to by Robinson as "among the finest in the County"
::* couldn't find this
:6c. which was shipped to Addis-Ababa Palace by Emperor Haile Selasse.Brooke, Gerry. (11 Nov. 2003). A Manor with Many Owners. Bristol Evening Post. 
:6d. It is conceivable that Sanderson Miller had a hand in it, as the creation of ornate chimneypieces tempus James I was one of his specialities. 
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:6e. Miller designed a chimneypiece for Mrs Barrett at Belhus described by Horace Walpole as "good King James gothic".An 18thC correspondence. p.312 
::* necessary for this article? If so, full citation info?
:6f. Although Siston Court had been built by the Denys's, they quite possibly spent very little time there, actually owning the building for only 20 years or so. Denys had no children to fill it with and his wife seems to have lived in his St.John of Jerusalem mansions in Clerkenwell or at Sutton-at-Hone, Kent while he was away in Calais. It remains nevertheless indisputably their monument. Yet it was the Trotman family who owned it for longest and were responsible for its preservation. It was a sad irony that perhaps from well-intentioned ignorance the Rawlins's hacked off the plaster Trotman armorials from this chimneypiece to reveal what they considered to be the original "valid" ones underneath, which turned out in any case to be those of Poyntz, not Denys, as Robinson inexplicably records 
::* OR/uncited
:6g. Denys was not descended from the Poyntz side of the family but the Stradling side, and Alice Poyntz the  2nd. wife of Morys Denys (d.1466) his great-grandfather was not an heiress, which would not warrant her armorials being displayed by the Denys family.Sir John Maclean. (1885) [1623]. Pedigrees in: Visitation of Co. Glos. London. Poyntz pp.128–135, Dennis/Denys pp.49–53
::* Is this needed? I may be missing something. Was there a question about their heritage? Was the chimney section the correct section for this?
:7. Regarding lead font at St Anne's: During the Civil War the Roundheads stabled horses in the Church. It is remarkable that the font was not on that occasion or on many others melted down for bullets. 
::* This appears to be original research.
:8. Regarding Katherine Parr: 
:8a. She died in 1548, giving birth to the child of her husband Seymour, who is said to have neglected and ill-treated her. He was  executed in 1549 by order of his Protector brother for treason, and Denys lost his powerful patron. 
::* not sure how this is relevant to the subject of the article.
:8b. Katherine's stay at Siston may provide further dating evidence for Siston Court, which it was suggested above was commenced between 1545 and 1548. Had the Court been finished before 1548, she might have stayed there instead, it being a higher status building than Mounts Court. 
::* appears to be original research
:8c. Katherine had another connection to Denys in that her secretary and advisor was Walter Bucler, who had married Katherine Denys,
:8d. The funerary effigy of Katherine Denys/Tame/Bucler/Lygon (d.1560,thrice married) can be seen in the Lady Chapel at Fairford Church, Glos.St. Mary's Church. Fairford History Society.|group="nb"}} 
:8e. widow of Sir Edmund Tame II of Fairford, and aunt of Sir Maurice Denys. 
:8f. Bucler had sold Denys Wye College in Kent, which he had been granted by the King after the Dissolution. 
:8g. Furthermore, nearby Barton Regis manor in Kingswood Forest had been granted to Katherine by Henry  as part of her dower, and perhaps by residing at Siston she wished to stay close to her source of revenue.
::* interesting, needed for this article, original research?
:8h. A short while after Katherine's death, Barton Regis was purchased by Sir Maurice Denys, no doubt with borrowed funds, from the E. of Pembroke who had obtained it for £8,000. It is said to have comprised . In 1566 it was conveyed by Richard Denys, Maurice's heir, to Thomas Chester, who had "contracted to marry his son to Richard's infant daughter". The marr. is not shown in the 1623 pedigree. (Glos.Archives D/674/a/M Archive of Chester-Masters family.)
If I have moved anything here that should be returned to the article because it 1) is directly related to the subject (village of Siston) and 2) has reliable, published source, please respond.--CaroleHenson (talk) 04:00, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material unable to substantiate 

message: I have left a "Citation needed" template up for the information in the "Baptismal font" section because I have found sources that I've not been able to access that discuss the Siston church's lead font. Is there a source for the following: 
"The Siston font displays 6 figures, three of which seem to be of Christ, as a nimbus is shown. The other three may be some of the Four Evangelists, who hold their own gospels and bless with two fingers of their right hands. It appears that the prototype of this font, as the finer versions show, had 12 figures, possibly the Twelve Apostles. There are 12 niches shown on the Siston font, but six are filled with acanthus scroll-work."
Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead font 

message: Hi. I’m trying to trace an old friend who used to live at Siston Common. He had a brother (twin, I think?), and was born in the late 1970’s. He used to work at a golf club nearby. I remember that he had two Jack Russells called Winnie and Pooh! Please text me on 07737 148457 if you have any info. Thank you. 90.242.7.161 (talk) 20:21, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jan Taylor