Talk:Summerwind

message: The coordinates were added with this edit which did not provide a source. What was the origin of those coordinates? --Dual Freq (talk) 21:17, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed this because it has been suggested that these may or may not be true. Re-add and state the reliable source that originated these. The aerial photo looks like a ruined building, but maybe it's not the right one. --Dual Freq (talk) 19:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinates 

message: I believe pop culture mentions in sources like HuffPo and Ghostly Travel books have earned the topic a few sentences in List of reportedly haunted locations in the United States, but not a stand alone article, since the only in-depth coverage is a book by a guy that invented a gothic pseudonym to tell a scary ghost story. However, if it passes AfD, I'm sure the article can be further improved by consolidating the blow-by-blow, sold-and-resold-again details down to a summary of Von Bober's essential claim that the mansion could not stay sold because of haunting. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A bit of change of subject, but thank you.--Oakshade (talk) 15:34, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources, notability, future improvements

message: One of the apocryphal stories relating to the legend is that there was a "ten most haunted" article in Life Magazine. The Life photo essay was entitled "Terrifying Tales of Nine Haunted Houses" and was in the November 1980 of Life Magazine starting on page 152. It did not claim them to be most haunted and in this case simply retold the talk Von Bober wrote in his 1979 book. It is not "hard hitting" journalism, but simply spooky photos of "haunted" houses of the period. (ie from Von Bober's book) In the intervening years at some point someone decided that there was a most haunted article in Life, and that is part of the urban legend that sometimes gets referred to in these puff, haunted house articles. It's this sort of gradual changing of a story that makes it pointless treat an article in the travel section about ghost story or urban legend as if it were held to the same editorial standard as an investigative journalism piece. --Dual Freq (talk) 21:08, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification of the title and page number.  I'll correct it in the article.  Nobody is claiming the Life Magazine article/photo essay was "hard hitting" journalism. --Oakshade (talk) 00:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

text: By the way, did you get this information from this yuku message board? --Oakshade (talk) 00:43, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

text: I saw all the ebay auctions of this cover and none of them give the page number nor describe the story as a "photo essay."  The only online source, not reliable source, that mentions the page number is an anonymous message on that Yuku board and even that describes the Life magazine story as a "story" and then later as  a "photo essay."  Is that your source? --Oakshade (talk) 03:31, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No that website is not my source, but it did make it easier to find by month and year at the library. In this case a photo-essay is a bunch of spooky photos with a brief haunted house story with each with a central theme. If you want to call it an article, than so be it. I know Life magazine is not the travel section of the quad cities newspaper, or a book about UFOs and haunted houses, but it's the original source. Whether you believe it or not doesn't matter to me. I know you always have to have the last word, so go ahead. --Dual Freq (talk) 22:12, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're saying you went to a library that had this edition of Life in stock and read it to edit here?--Oakshade (talk) 23:15, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to researching at libraries, I'm also guilty of using, real books, microfiche, lexis-nexis, newspaperarchive, EBSCOhost and other databases to improve articles. There are sources other than the internet. I've also created over 300 articles here and taken dozens of photos and uploaded a couple thousand other dod images. So yes, I've wasted a lot of time doing research for this and other articles. A lot of that is still around, but in the past 8 years a fair chunk of that has probably been lost to the whims of anon editors, vandalism, etc. --Dual Freq (talk) 01:30, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Specifically, you've gotten access at a physical library to this actual Life magazine article and have based your edits here on that article found at that library?  What else does that article say besides what that anonymous poster wrote on that Yuku message board?  Honestly, it would be helpful. --Oakshade (talk) 01:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life Magazine "Most Haunted" 

message: Hi-I sent an e-mail to the Vilas County Historical Society about installing a historical marker near Summerwind. I mentioned in the e-mail that Summerwind was a summer home for a U.S. Cabinet secretary Robert Lamont and that could be the basis for the historical marker. I also mentioned in the e-mail that Summerwind is controversial because it is supposed to be haunted. I am not sure the Wisconsin Historical Society would installed because the WHS has specific requirements and guidelines for installing a historical marker. I have received no answer so far from the Vilas County Historical Society and will keep you people posted. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 11:43, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but, you know, WP:NOTPROMOTION, WP:NOT#FORUM, etc. Good luck with your project. - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:30, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I wanted to check with the Vilas County Historical Society about a historical marker and how they present Summerwind. It was no promotion, no forum-just an inquiry how Vilas County Historical Society has to say about the house. About a historical marker, etc., This could improved the article. Thank you-RFD (talk) 18:39, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So did the local historical society get back to you on this? I get the impression that some of the locals tried to tone down the haunting legends. Perhaps it could have been used to boost tourism if it had been in the village where the tourists could have been better dealt with and profited from, rather than at a rural lake house. The Land O' Lakes Historical Society included it on a "West Bay Lake Resorts 1910-1960" (on their now defunct website). I was curious if the home was originally part of one of those resorts. --Dual Freq (talk) 00:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vilas County Historical Society-historical marker-Summerwind 

message: I'm not sure what the purpose is of adding this into the lead. It appears to be original research, since there's nothing at that link that mentions Summerwind at all. - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:00, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really appropriate as part of the article text, so I moved it to an external link. - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:27, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

text: There is no GNIS coordinate for Summerwind so far. I added the GNIS to the lake where the house was located on. So far there is no article for the lake. It was not original research-the GNIS was needed so readers could located where the general area the house was located-thanks-RFD (talk) 18:32, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the GNIS for West Bay Lake from the external links section to the info box since a citation is needed. No original research. Thank you-RFD (talk) 11:49, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: GNIS coordinate?

message: One comment-I assumed good faith when I contacted the Vilas County Historical Society about a historical marker and anything else the society had regarding additional information about Summerwind. I also assumed good faith when I added the GNIS citation about the lake that Summerwind was on since there was no geographic coordination for Summerwind. Thank you-RFD (talk) 11:35, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assume good faith 

message: Here are the sources added for restoration, if it ever becomes an issue. I just don't think we need 7 sources for one sentence. --Dual Freq (talk) 22:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for funding drive for possible restoration 

message: According to an anonymous editor, The History Press may publish the book "Haunted Summerwind: A Ghostly History of a Wisconsin Mansion" by Devon Bell in 2015. I have removed it for now due to unclear notability of the author, and WP:CRYSTALBALL. Future publication does not merit its own section, if it is published, I could see possibly linking it in further reading if it has an ISBN and is not self published. --Dual Freq (talk) 03:33, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book speculation