Talk:Messer (sword)

message: The article reads:
"Used for menial work in addition to battle, the großes Messer (alternately spelled Grossemesser) or Hiebmesser sported a short, wide blade with a single curved edge that led to a clipped-back tip (like a kilij). Its long, curved blade and the ferocious cutting power of the sword made it the European counterpart to the katana."
I'm confused. Is the blade short and wide, or is it long and curved ? 81.210.189.211 11:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it definetly more long and curved than it is short and wide. You can find a picture of one under external links.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 11:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A short, wide, long, curved blade ? 

message: Messer should be spelled with a capital M. No29 17:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

message: Hello disputors! ;-) I've added a picture for the Langes Messer in Vienna. As there was no article on the Langes Messer itself and as most Great Knives on the internet are often erroneously called Long Knives anyway, I've also added a redirect for Langes Messer to this page. If ever somebody wants to look at the Hungarian Long Knives and start a separate article, they're more than welcome to remove that redirect (and to use my blurred photograph of the thing). Cheers, Trigaranus 16:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And bugger - I'm not sure anymore whether I've confused the use of this Long Knife by leaders of Hungarian footsoldiers with a massive pickaxe I also saw at the Rüstkammer... If anybody knows more on the subject (or has recently looked at the exhibit in Vienna), please pour your knowledge in there. Trigaranus 16:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Gallery 

message: I am practising with those messers at the european martial arts school "Dreynschlag" in Austria.
After reading this article it appears to me, that the author confused those two weapons.
1.) Lange Messer (long knives)
are weapons having a long grip but are used with ONE hand. Their blade length seldom exceed 90cm and
they have crossguards with a additional hook sideways for special binding techniques. They were used as sidearms
in the late medieval ages by mercenaries and city militias. The german master Leküchner describes the use of those weaopons in his fencing manuscript.
2.) Große Messer (great knives)
are weapons with an even larger grip and are always wielded using BOTH hands. They are usally quite huge and rather seldom used
for fighting (like with the two-handed Swords)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.81.246.97 (talk) 12:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am aware that this is the terminology used by some people. The question is, by whom, on what grounds, and since when? see also . A more precise discussion of terminology would certainly be welcome. --dab (𒁳) 13:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is wrong! 

message: This article has improved by leaps and bounds since the last time I read it, but it abandons all clarity with that last paragraph in which nothing is said clearly.  The editor throws two new and related terms at us, yet fails to clearly define either.  Is he comparing the Messer to the Grossesmesser, or to the Kriegsmesser?  What is the difference (if any) between the Grossesmesser and Kriegsmesser?  He doesn't say.  Frankly, I think the article is confusing "Messer" with "Grossesmesser".  A Messer can be any large knife, including hunting and utility knives, or it can refer to a family of swords derived from the same design.  A Grossesmesser is a sword which generally meets the few specific details given for the Messer.  The Grossesmesser can be large and two handed, but one-handed varieties similar in scale to an arming sword are more common.  The Kriegsmesser, on the other hand, is a two-handed sword with a trailing point.  I'm not sure where the Langes Messer falls into all this, as I always thought it was a synonym for the Grossesmesser. Can someone please straighten out that last paragraph? 12.233.146.130 (talk) 23:47, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify please 

message: The translation "Hiebmesser" to "cutting knife" is false. "Hiebmesser" would better be translated to "slashing knife". Glimmlampe82 (talk) 11:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation Error 

message: In the following paragraph, some nouns and separate sentences are needed to clarify what is being referred to at which point. See below for inserted questions/comments. 
"Although the Messer? is  often confused with the Kriegsmesser ("War Knife"), it  which one? the Messer or the Kriegsmesser?  has to be clearly distinguished from the Großmesser, since the  again, which one is more than 1500 mm long??  the Messer or the Kriegsmesser or the Großmesser]] ? more than 1500 mm long and shaped more like a scimitar, originating as the Hungarian version of the German Zweihänder. Kriegsmesser were used by professional soldiers, typically Landsknechts. An example of a Kriegsmesser, also called a "Long Knife," is preserved in the Hofjagd- und Rüstkammer, Vienna."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mithalwulf (talk • contribs) 15:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear paragraph 

message: I've redid a lot of the information on this page and copied some of the formatting on the arming sword page since it was more complete. Not everything here is entirely accurate, but I tried to get rid of the worst of the unfounded misinformation (none of it was sourced anyway). Sdmr (talk) 05:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamped the page 

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