Talk:Mary Wilson, Lady Wilson of Rievaulx

message: If she's listed as a poet, can someone please add a bibliography?  I know some of her writings were published. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rodparkes (talk • contribs) 01:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliography

message: Please see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Naming conventions for wives of peers for discussion that could lead to this article being renamed. Timrollpickering 19:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article location

message: According to this article, she was already 90 years old in June 2007 and was still 90 years old in February 2008 according to this article. This means that she was born sometime between February 14, 1917 and June 24, 1917. Cheers, CP 04:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth 

message: Baron X of Y may be referred to as Lord X, or even Baron X, but never Lord X of Y.  
Example: One might refer to Baron Olivier of Brighton as Lord Olivier, or as Baron Olivier, but not as Lord Olivier of Brighton.
Same deal for baronesses, whether in their own right or simply as spouses of barons.
So, I believe this article should be either:
* Mary Wilson, Lady Wilson or
* Mary Wilson, Baroness Wilson of Rievaulx
Comments?  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  10:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You've fallen into the common trap of confusing territorial designation with peerage title. Laurence Olivier's peerage title was just 'Baron Olivier', with Brighton being the territorial designation. Harold Wilson's peerage title was 'Baron Wilson of Rievaulx', making his wife 'Lady Wilson of Rievaulx'. Sam Blacketer (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: It seems that the title of this artice is rather anomalous. While it is obviously correct that Lady Wilson is addressed as "The Rt. Hon. The Lady Wilson", the convention of titling the article of a person in her position in the form "Full name, Title" presumably means that the title itself should be used (as in the case of men), rather than the title accorded by social practice. On this basis, it would be better that the article be titled "Mary Wilson, Baroness Wilson of Rievaulx", and that the box with her information have the heading "The Rt. Hon. The Lady Wilson of Rievaulx". Certainly, for the article title, this is what has been observed in the case of Elizabeth Home, Audrey Callaghan and Mary Soames, for example, all of whom are wives of life peers. The fact is that in social usage, it is as incorrect to accord a life baron the form "The The Rt. Hon. The Baron X" as it is to accord his wife the title "The Rt. Hon. The Baroness X", but Wikipedia still puts them under the article title, "Full Name, Baron X", since Baron is the accurate description of the peerage title that they hold (just as 1st Baron, 2nd Baron &c would be the accurate description in the case of hereditary barons), and with the exception of this article and the one on Lady Baltimore (so far as I can see), Wikipedia seems to apply its naming conventions similarly for wives of barons both life and hereditary. 129.67.121.166 (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry the first line of the above was meant to read "While it is obviously correct that Lady Wilson is addressed as "The Rt. Hon. The Lady Wilson of Rievaulx"... 129.67.121.166 (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

text: The problem is that the general rule is wrong. Baronesses by marriage are almost always called 'Lady' and almost never as 'Baroness'. Almost all of those in :Category:British Baronesses are Baronesses in their own right, which is different. Sam Blacketer (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not true. A vast of majority of women in that category held their titles solely through marriage, much like Mary Wilson. All peeresses lesser in rank than duchesses are almost always called "Lady X". In fact, all peers lesser in rank than dukes are almost always called "Lord X". That is a social convention. Mary Wilson was nevertheless legally "Baroness Wilson of Rievaulx", as the wife of "Baron Wilson of Rievaulx". That said, I do not see how the general rule is wrong or why the article should not be consistent with other articles in the said category. Surtsicna (talk) 20:25, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: "The subject or topic of all articles, including those on centenarians and supercentenarians, must meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline at a minimum." The World's Oldest People project page repeatedly refers to "centenarians and supercentenarians" so centenarians appear to be included in it.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 09:31, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi . The idea behind the World's Oldest People Wikiproject (at least these days) is to help manage the constant flow of vandalism, fancruft, and edit warring that occurs on articles related to extreme longevity, which is detailed thoroughly in the Arbitration Committee case linked in the banner, as well as having a center to build consensus and, I suppose on rare occasions, actually improve articles. As articles such as this, about individuals who are notable and happened to reach old age, don't generally suffer from the problems in the Arb case, they aren't meant to be included in that project, otherwise it would be flooded with tangentially-related articles (i.e. anyone who happened to turn 100), which would distort the purpose and make it difficult to focus on combating the real problems. Centenarians can be included, but it's generally those that might be affected by Wikipedia's problems with longevity-related articles (i.e. someone is the oldest in the country, but only happens to be 108 or someone is the oldest ever nun/driver/university graduate, but never actually reached 110). Hope that clears things up; I guess there should probably be a better description on the project page itself. I'll work on that Canadian Paul 09:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject 

message: I am fairly certain that in the 1970's when Wilson was Prime Minister, Leader of the Opposition, or simply a senior Labour Party member, that there was a lot of discussion about what was termed "the Kitchen cabinet" of which Mary Wilson was allegedly the major character where her circle of friends influenced the decisions of Harold Wilson. I am certain that there must be material (Tony Crosland Diaries or Denis Healy memoirs?) of that era to confirm. As I remember (I was pre-teenager at the time) this was a major news/current affairs issue  of the day. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:16, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Kitchen Cabinet" 

message: Anything to say about her work and its critical reception? I would have thought a brief positioning statement would be appropriate. Valetude (talk) 00:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her poetry