Talk:John Wooden

message: The article frequently refers to John Wooden yet the photo caption states "Johnathan Wooden" (which is spelled wrong; most "Jon"s are really "Jonathan" - one H only, not two). - So which is it? --JohnDBuell 13:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: I think it's significant because of the fact that John Wooden wanted a place where non NCAA athletes could work out and participate in sports, and this center exemplifies that. I'm not too sure on any details, and most of the specifics are irrelevant. Just a thought.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.86.254 (talk) 06:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wooden Center at UCLA 

message: If you take a close look of the photograph of John Wooden in the Legacy section of this article, you will see that the photograph is of Bill Walton and not John Wooden. Also, Walton's face is superimposed onto the photograph. The picture constitutes vandalism and should be removed. I'm surprised that nobody noticed this shenanigans. Somebody replaced the image of Wooden, Jabbar, and Walton with the goofy image of Walton.
Anthony22 00:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photograph of John Wooden in Legacy Section

message: On June 28, 1987, John Wooden and Dean Smith coached against each other in an exhibition basketball game featuring alumni from both schools. Mike Downey - North Carolina Beats UCLA in Alumni Game, 116-111. Los Angeles Time. June 29, 1987 Group29 (talk) 17:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Last coaching outing

message: There is mistake in the head coaching record for 1965-1966. In that year, UCLA wasn't ranked in the top 20 in the polls and didn't even get into the NCAA or NIT tournaments. They could not have gone 29-1. Will the person who entered the head coaching record please correct the mistake.
Anthony22 (talk) 01:45, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Head Coaching Record

message: :"Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out." 
Rather pithy guy.  Anyone know of a citation?  Where and when was this said?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JimD (talk • contribs) 04:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Quote: Attribution? 

message: * Someone should mention about his golfing achievements -- hole in one and double eagles? Ucla90024 (talk) 19:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Golfing

message: The article synopsis says "He is a member of the Basketball Hall of Fame as both a player (class of 1961)..."  Seeing as he was born in 1910, that would make him 51 in 1961.. This doesn't seem right. Could someone clarify?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.158.20 (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date? 

message: I see its been used once already, but there's 99 very interesting facts now citeable to this LA Times article from Wednesday. --Bobak (talk) 07:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solid 99th b-day article in LA Times 

message: * John Wooden Hospitalized in Grave Condition - A number of LA stations are reporting Wooden is in grave condition. ----moreno oso (talk) 00:17, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The stories indicate he was admitted to UCLA Medical Center on Sunday (May 30th).  It is his "grave condition" that became public yesterday -- i.e., Thursday, June 3rd. The text on his page should be adjusted accordingly.  Mohansen11 (talk) 08:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

text: That's a reflective piece. Try watching the L.A. news feeds.----moreno oso (talk) 01:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

text: It's only the headlines, so far. From what I gather, The Seattle Times has already said The Washington Post may have jumped the gun here. –MuZemike 01:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a link to the Seattle Times report contradicting (in the lede sentence!) the Washington Post headline --Ray Radlein (talk) 01:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's be clear. Our lede is correct. The Washington Post got it wrong. ----moreno oso (talk) 01:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sad that his article will get many copyedits when his death does take place. Dennis Hopper is a case in point. ----moreno oso (talk) 01:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good old Bill Walton just tipped everybody what hospital Wooden is at (as if that was big secret). Still, seeing Walton choke up about Coach, brought a tear. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Wooden in grave condition

message: Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/06/03/GA2010060304369.html reports that John Wooden has died.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.188.240 (talk) 01:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody else has confirmed it (he lives in Los Angeles). According to the above section, they may have been premature on reporting it. He is definitely in critical condition, however. –MuZemike 01:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Roger that. The trucks are parked outside and they're interviewing each other. Hopefully he will live to be a 100. ----moreno oso (talk) 01:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah I guess the Post retracted the article anyway (http://www.purdueexponent.org/index.php/module/Section/section_id/17?module=article&story_id=21516). That's probably why they have the slideshow.  I guess they were hoping to be the first by just putting it out there.  Terrible day for him to die on if he does die today though. He'd miss out on the finals. Arestyr (talk) 01:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Coach says "Be quick, but don't hurry," good advice for those authors of an encyclopedia who are sometimes tempted to convert it to a news feed...Steveozone (talk) 02:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Coach Wooden is now officially dead: *http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/news/story?id=5253601  Viridiscalculus (talk) 02:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged death 

message: The part in his legacy about other coaches is confusing.  It's difficult to tell if it means no other coach has more than one undefeated season or more than one national championship.  Perhaps this can be reworded.
 According to this article, , Wooden is "spent a peaceful night at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center and is resting comfortably." Perhaps we should remove 'in grave condition", and replace it with something like : "On May 26, 2010, Wooden was hospitalized due to dehydration", or something else, as the Medical Centre has not confirmed that he is in "grave condition". Thanks. Connormah (talk | contribs) 21:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: . HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?   22:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Added. TbhotchTalk C. 02:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Yep, looks like this is the real deal. Everyone is reporting it, now. Thank you, –MuZemike 02:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we un-semi-protect it now that his death has been confirmed? There's no reason to semi unless there's lots of vandalism, which wasn't the case even before protection. Also, RIP... 68.202.230.228 (talk) 02:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You should see yesterday, when The Washington Post wrote that he died (yesterday). Vandalism was excessive. TbhotchTalk C. 02:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree it should be kept semi-protected. The vandalism yesterday was terrible. Let's some semi-pros take care of it as it is a GA candidate. ----moreno oso (talk) 02:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Keep the semi because people will still vandalize the article even after he died.--Giants27(Contribs|WP:CFL) 02:46, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Even for the most respected people a good part of the world has known (like Wooden I'm sure), there is always people flocking to vandalize and defame the person after death. It has happened so many times that it has become common practice to leave the article protected for a while after his death so all the fervor calms down a bit before we unprotect (unless your name is Michael Jackson, then forget it). –MuZemike 03:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. You should see how Dennis Hopper's article was vandalized after he died. Everyone flocks here and wants to put their mark on the article. Best to leave the semi-pros do the editting. They'll get Wooden to GA. ----moreno oso (talk) 03:16, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: Can we get a better picture for Coach Wooden?  Maybe one of him in his prime coaching days?  Leahcim506 (talk) 03:51, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you get one (that is not copyrighted), yes. TbhotchTalk C. 04:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Picture? 

message: It currently states that he "was" a member of the hall of fame (I take it someone changed all of the present to past tense). He is still a member of the hall of fame.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lancebaa (talk • contribs) 07:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It changed when he died. While Wooden still "is" a member, WP:MOS requires verbs to be passive upon death. ----moreno oso (talk) 15:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Does it really? I know most verbs would change to passive, but if people hold a record, would it say "John Wooden held the record for..." even if he still holds the record? If that's actually the policy, I disagree with it, but I guess I can't complain about this article in particular. Lancebaa (talk) 04:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at Wilt Chamberlain's page, there are numerous present tense verbs about records that he holds. How is that any different than being a member of the hall of fame? Lancebaa (talk) 04:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passive 

message: These titles should be added under his name as publications he's authored
Coach Wooden's Pyramid of Success: Building Blocks For a Better Life
ISBN: 978-0830737185
Coach Wooden's Pyramid of Success Playbook
ISBN: 978-0830737932
Coach Wooden One-on-One
ISBN: 978-0830732913
BillyG4 (talk) 08:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Publications 

message: Hello, fellow Wikipedians. I am glad that I was able to edit this article RIGHT AFTER HE DIED, because I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, either because I wasn't at home when I heard that someone died, or I heard the news too late, and other people have edited it. So, this was the first time I've edited an article about a person shortly after he died. I put all the verbs in the paragraph talking about how he mourned his wife since her death, into the past tense. And I also put all the verbs in the paragraph following that one into the past tense also.
YouTubeaholic2009 (talk) 14:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello 

message: Unfortunately, due to the increased edits to the article after John Wooden's recent death, this article no longer meets Criterion #5 (stability). Therefore, I am removing the article's nomination from the WP:GAN page. I won't mark it in article history as a 'fail', and I hope this can be renominated once the article stabilizes in a month or two. But it's best at this time not to take any chances.
When I look at the article, it looks reasonably good, although I didn't look at the prose in too much detail. The first issue I see is that the lead is far too short and doesn't provide an accurate summary of the article per WP:LEAD. So that needs to be expanded. Secondly, the two sections 'Head coaching record' and 'Wooden championships' are just tables and contain no introductory text. I think almanac-like information isn't necessarily bad, but tables like this should not be in the middle of the article, as they are now. They should preferably be placed near the end, near where the 'publications' section is now.
Also, the name of the article (or in this case, parts of the name) really shouldn't be used in subsection headers, so subsection header names like 'Wooden championships' and 'Following Wooden' should be renamed. Simply, 'Championships' would suffice. 'Following Wooden' might be better merged into the 'Legacy' section?
In the 'Legacy' section, there's no citations on the "John Wooden Day" or "Greatest Coach of All Time" attributions.
Regarding the "Wooden's maxims" list near the end, why are there two citations on the very last bullet item and none on the other two. If they're citing a complete list, they should be placed right after the colon (:) introducing the list, not on the last list item.
Anyway, I hope these comments help in the interim. Look forward to seeing this article at WP:GAN in July or August! WTF? (talk) 17:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nomination

message: The article seems to have an error, saying George W. Bush was the president who presented Wooden with the Medal of Freedom; however, in a photo of the actual certificate that is prominent on the official Coach Wooden website, it is Jimmy Carter's signature on the document. I don't know how to edit the wiki, but perhaps someone knowledgeable can make this small change for accuracy.
67.100.126.18 (talk) 21:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medal of Freedom actually presented by President Jimmy Carter 

message: all the  references are leading to the official website, but it might just be a Firefox problem, can anyone check it? Botend (talk) 21:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean that all the refrences are linked to the official website's main page, not to the citation it supposed to Botend (talk) 22:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:   References 

message: John Wooden always gets credit for the maxim "failing to prepare is preparing to fail". I hear all his old players say it. Benjamin Franklin said it 200 years before him. Hugh M. Masterson  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.105.157.30 (talk) 14:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mamim 

message: Playing career is listed as 1929–33, but the text says he graduated from Purdue in 1932.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LowRise (talk • contribs) 21:54, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graduation Year 

message: The opening paragraph of the article compares John Wooden with Geno Auriemma, who coaches the UConn Women's basketball team. I positively do not understand the logic of comparing a men's coach with a women's coach. A men's record has absolutely nothing to do with a women's record. I personally feel that the comparison with Auriemma should be deleted from the article, because it positively has nothing to do with Wooden. I will not delete the information on Auriemma on my own, because I don't want to be accused of vandalism.
Men and women are different; a men's basketball team should in no way be compared with a women's team. Also, men have coached a woman's team, but a woman has never coached a men's team.
Also, Wooden's time period is far removed from Auriemma's time period. To use an analogy, it is unfair to compare Babe Ruth's baseball records with the records of the scandal plagued steroid stars of today
You cannot compare a tiger with a mouse.
Anthony22 (talk) 00:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  it might be silly to compare a men's coach with a women's coach 

message: The cited reference makes no mention of John Wooden making this statement.
I believe this actually comes from Earl Monroe, as "Just be patient. Let the game come to you. Don't rush. Be quick, but don't hurry."
ref: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/earlmonroe202360.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.57.140 (talk) 15:05, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Be quick, but don't hurry." 

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message: The Legacy Section compares John Wooden's achievements at UCLA with the records of lady coaches in college basketball. This comparison is silly and ridiculous. You positively cannot compare the coaching achievements in men's and women's basketball. In sports, men can be compared with men, but men cannot and should not be compared with women. If you insist on comparing Wooden's accomplishments with the distaff side, then it is imperative that you compare UCLA's basketball records with the ladies who play  college basketball. Comparing men's college basketball with women's college basketball is like comparing little league baseball with the major leagues.
To use an analogy, nobody ever compared Jesse Owens with Wilma Rudolph. You cannot compare dissimilar entities.
The Legacy Section should not make any references or comparisons to women's college basketball.
Anthony22 (talk) 22:20, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy section needs major editing 

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message: It's no secret that John Wooden and Bob Knight didn't like each other. Knight was highly critical of UCLA's recruiting tactics.
Less than an hour ago, I posted a source from a website in which John Wooden says that he dislikes Bob Knight. Fifteen minutes later, the article was deleted from the website. Somebody doesn't want this information about John Wooden to go viral.Anthony22 (talk) 18:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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