Talk:Transnational Radical Party

message: There are many errors in this article (I'm sorry folks but I'm currently too busy to edit the article myself --I'll do it in the near future):
* The Transnational Radical Party is actually the Italian Partito Radicale, which only extended its name in the late 80s to be more compliant with its international activity. Just to clarify, its latest Congress which took place in Tirana, Albany is numbered as the 38th, while the first one was the founding congress of the Partito Radicale dating back to 1955.
* The T.R.P. doesn't currently partecipate in elections as itself, because of its NGO status at the United Nations. However other national parties, such as the Lista Bonino or the Lista Pannella or many others were founded and supported by the T.R.P.
* Note that the Italian political movement named Radicali Italiani, which is wrongly linked as the Italian Partito Radicale, is completely different from the T.R.P. (which is actually the Partito Radicale, as stated above). 
--Alessandro Ranellucci 19:18, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, the text is by and large a copyvio of various texts from TRP's web site. It's hardly a model of a neutral Wikipedia article. Duja► 10:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as Amnesty International is concerned, it is not correct to say that they have strong links with that organization. To the contrary, in the '90s they had a bitter row with AI in Italy over the issue of the death penalty. They said that AI should back them in their work to obtain from the UN General Assembly a resolution calling for a moratorium of all executions, and claimed that AI was failing to support them. 83.181.181.34 13:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors

message: This edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transnational_Radical_Party&diff=765306285&oldid=765244878
introduces a not neutral point of view. Marco Cappato himself declared that he is not aware of an eviction ("non mi risulta che siamo stati sfrattati"). Here http://video.repubblica.it/politica/radicali-cappato-dopo-lo-sfratto--cosi-andiamo-verso-l-autodistruzione/267540/267926 That RI were forced out of the historical headquarters is disputable. 
The secondary sources mentioned are not reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catonano (talk • contribs) 8:19, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: My observation about the previous edit was not satisfied by the new edit. No one was forced out. The sources mentioned are not reliable. First hand sources disputed the view that anyone was forced out. Rather, Radicali Italiani lost a congress and stopped to support the committments of the Radical Party. For reference see here http://www.affaritaliani.it/roma/bufera-radicali-tra-debiti-appetiti-del-brand-la-verita-raccontata-da-turco-464109.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catonano (talk • contribs) 14:34, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think that the RI lost a congress and stopped supporting the commitments of the TRP, but we need to include both versions of the story here. Moreover, it is perfectly true that since March 1st the RI will not be able to stay at Torre Argentina headquarters. Both first-party sources and third-party sources are cited in the article, and, thanks to your inspiration, the article is now more balanced than it was before. However, the sentence you do not like is perfectly supported both by first-party and second-party sources. Cappato might have said what you wrote before, but Bonino said "I'm looking for a location" on Saturday at the event organised by Della Vedova. If you want to improve the wording, do it, but please do not insert out-of-scope tags. --Checco (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me frankly exaggerated to use twice as many words those that are used to tell the 25-year history of this organization, to explain in detail an event of no value in the organization's life itself. Moreover from a thorough reading of the sources, the organization does not affect  on this event itself even, but rather the owner of the spaces (this is not the TRP) which freely decides theirs destination. Also, the event has not taken place yet, hardly one could advocate this edit as having enciclopedic value. I argue that this edit should be deleted at least until the evolutions of these facts could make this contents worthy of an encyclopedia and do not have a purely propaganda value (which is also against the organization mentioned in the entry). -- Exedre (talk) 14:33, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I partially agree with you. In fact, the previous wording ("In September 2016, after Pannella's death in May, the party's congress elected a collective leadership led by Rita Bernardini, Antonella Casu, Sergio D'Elia and Maurizio Turco, as opposed to the wing led by Bonino and Marco Cappato, who, in turn, controlled the RI. In February the PRT and the RI parted ways and the latter were forced out of the historical Radical headquarters.") was OK with me. However, it is better to explain at length what happened during and after the 2016 congress. In the future, with a more historical perspective, we could cut some parts off. Finally, if you are able to expand the party's previous history, please do it. --Checco (talk) 23:31, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's now been over ten months since then, and the Italian Radicals are still inside the Radical Party headquarters, have you been convinced that no one has been kicked out and that this whole news was a hoax and that the sources you're quoting are unreliable? You have also inserted another propaganda news on Bonino that has absolutely no relation to the subject of the page. You clearly have your ideas on the matter and use this page to promote them. Are you sure you're doing a good job as wikipedist? I expanded the "previous story" of the NRPTT, and you censored it to support your prejudice that the party was closed in 1989. As I explained here that is false. -- Exedre (talk) 00:52, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that. There is not problem in adding a sentence saying something like "As of December 2017 the Italian Radicals are still inside the party's headquarters". Of course, it would be better to find a source on that, too. --Checco (talk) 06:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought  that if someone publish an hoax, it's his duty to find proper sources for it, not someone else to deny it. You tryed to deliver the false fact that they was «forced out» with unreliable sources, as time has clearly demonstrated. I really do not understand why this small unsignificant fact should be on this page. If you think it's so important in the history of Italian Radicals, why don't you put it on their page? -- Exedre (talk) 01:53, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It is already mentioned, also, in that article. --Checco (talk) 07:27, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  no one was forced out