Talk:Great Patriotic War (term)

message: "Since the early 1980s, the Great Patriotic War is sometimes referred to in Russian texts by the acronym ВОВ but this abbreviation is often criticized" Being native Russian, I have never ever heard anyone critizing this "term" inside exUSSR up to current time. This "term" importance is actually many times more important than, say, what WWII means in the West; because it IS this what caused holocaust against USSR citizens and they are celebrated as ones capable to endure, overcome and turn the tides of whole war. Because it is USSR citizens which were targeted by Hilter and which heroically broke his war machine, not Europe, not USA, not Afrika. 93.129.3.218 (talk) 22:35, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , войну выиграли не только русские. И не только русские сражались. Но только русские взяли Берлин "побыстрей" ценой многих сотен жизней. Чтобы такие уроды как ты сейчас могли нести подобную херню про то, что типа: "только русские победили1".188.162.84.18 (talk) 12:01, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: . Потому что более 80% потерь Германии - Восточный фронт. Так что да, победили именно русские. Американцы и иже с ними только помогли. Алессия (talk) 21:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

text: Great example of ethnic hatred blinding someone. Why bother reading, when you can just randomly strawman anything, and start ranting. 2601:201:8001:790:1494:D13A:8EC:7987 (talk) 10:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: VOV is often critized

message: I've also seen claims of World War 2 being referred to by Russians as the
Great Patriotic Anti-Fascist War.  The author of the following article claims this.
http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp1003.html  67.53.78.15 01:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Anti-Fascist" is not used. It is sometimes accompanied by wording "Great Patriotic War against facist occupants", but never as "Great Patriotic Anti-Facist War". "Great Patriotic War" is a rock-solid definition. 93.129.3.218 (talk) 22:42, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Term

message: I would like to say that the current separation between the Eastern Front (World War II) and Great Patriotic War articles here in Wikipedia is an absolute nonsense, since boh terms describes the same event.
To create a tiny separate article called "Great Patriotic War" just to separate the term from the mainstream Historiography is just a mere pro-neo-Soviet POV, in my opinion.—Preceding unsigned comment added by  200.232.230.158 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 17 July 2007
:O unsigned anonymous editor, the article "Great Patriotic War" is clearly about the TERM rather than the events described. 3 of 4 paragraphs actually begin with "the term". Eleland 19:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would argue that the two articles should be merged and that this article should become a section of the Eastern Front article. Otherwise this article merely seems redundant. Tiger Khan (talk) 13:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's about the term, not the war. The term does intentionally ignore Stalin's earlier invasions of Poland, the Baltics, etc. and collusion with Hitler. That will eventually have to go back in the article. —PētersV (talk) 15:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would still argue that discussion of the term could be part of the greater Eastern Front article, allowing for the consolidation. Tiger Khan (talk) 06:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The separation between ''Eastern Front (World War II)'' and ''Great Patriotic War'' articles

message: All opinions are valid. That being said it is an objective fact that World War 2 is not called World war two in Russia (even by pro-neo-fascists in that country) The "Eastern Front" was the WESTERN front to the Soviets. The west is not now and never will be the center of the world. Nor will capitalist imperialist intrests last forever. Ignorance and intolerance, unfortunatley, will always exist. This article describes the term not the event. p.s. proof-read your edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by  24.20.167.190 (talk • contribs) 07:30, 22 July 2007
:The above is a completely pointless discussion on semantics written by a biased source, and I believe should be ignored. Spelling mistakes aside.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sieurfill (talk • contribs) 22:19, 5 December 2007
::I think the IP expresses points too often overlooked in the West. 118.90.89.74 (talk) 12:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Not nonsense, since '''boh terms needs to be represented'''

message: I had to kill the paragraph which said that the term Great Patriotic War was a deliberate diversion from previous Nazi-Soviet friendly relations and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact; while an interesting thesis it needs to be sourced and attributed rather than appearing as the opinion of one editor. This being said, it was certainly a term of propaganda, and it would be interesting to have some properly sourced material on its anatomy as such. Eleland 20:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Propaganda usage

message: The “(term)” is necessary in the title because there is a need to differentiate from the denomination “Great patriotic War” to the event that this name describes — which is known and recognized by most of the world as the Eastern Front of World War II.
This discussion is somehow similar to the Hirohito name question; until now, the “Showa Emperor” article is named this way in Wikipedia because most of the world outside Japan knows and denominate Showa as Hirohito.--MaGioZal (talk) 18:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "(term)" is unnecessary. Any political argument aside, capitalizing every word makes clear that its a proper noun, making it redundant; and the fact that its not commonly used in English-speaking Western countries should be a dead giveaway. The "political" argument is that its used commonly in ex-USSR countries and so is somehow tainted for not being Western or from a US pov (which of course I reject). 118.90.59.31 (talk) 12:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Whoops, I mistook the argument. 118.90.59.31 (talk) 12:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why the “(term)” is necessary

message: It is not clear how Soviet invasion of Poland (1939), Winter War, Occupation of the Baltic states, Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina articles (all of which describe events pre-GPW) ended up in this section. I'll remove it now. RJ CG (talk) 15:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "See Also" section is a mess

message: The way the word is usually used is from the US Cold War pov of government sponsored spread of lies. However, "Great Patriotic War" generates genuinely felt and extremely profound emotions in Russians. Consider how the US government uses references to the events of the War of Independence to show noble ideas. 118.90.89.74 (talk) 12:25, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no issue with honoring those who died fighting the Nazis after they invaded the Soviet Union. I do have an issue with the Red Army invading BEFORE the Nazis and later claiming to "liberate" in the "Great Patriotic War" those it had earlier already conquered and wreaked havoc upon, as in the Red Army soldier retired in Riga who complained 145,000 died to free Latvia from the Nazis. Well, no, it's likely that many died and more just trying to take the Courland pocket to wipe out Latvia. So look at all the lives Stalin could have saved if he had just kept heading toward Berlin instead. Consider that. VЄСRUМВА  ♪  21:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Vecrumba. Rudolfensis (talk) 21:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Propaganda"

message: Here's a high-resolution copy of the Родина-мать зовет! poser. http://www.arteveryday.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/27.jpg
The text is clearly readable. Could somebody translate it? --Nbauman (talk) 19:13, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  High-resolution poster with readable text 

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message: I have restored the fragment devoted to the differences between terms. I think it is informative and reasonably important Alex Bakharev (talk) 03:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences between the term Great Patriotic War and the World War II 

message: We are talking about the usage of the word here in the article, correct? Maybe for the see also we could have World War II as a link and decommunization laws(is mentioned in the Ukraine part). I would do it myself but I am relatively inexperienced at wikipedia and I dont want to mess up this.   TheJJ chat? 05:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also v2 

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