Talk:Kaifeng Jews

message: (2018) is not addressed - I hope someone will have time to provide a few links to Western and Eastern perspectives. I don't have enough knowledge to know whether this headline has evidence to back it up: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/world/asia/china-kaifeng-jews.html Chinese Jews of Ancient Lineage Huddle Under Pressure By CHRIS BUCKLEYSEPT. 24, 2016 MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 20:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  current status as of Year x 

message: Chinese words are of single syllables, how can 猶,太 be translated into three syllables?
it would be seen as vandalism if correctness is constantly reverted.
And Shi Kefa is a revered person in China,
I am not any sort of zealous patriot,
but shouldn't we be more cautious,
before hastily giving him some new nationality,
regarding the respect of fact and feelings of some viewers?
In this case, "Stone" in Chinese is Shi, 石
However the Shi of Shi Kefa is another Shi, 史, which literally means "History".
judging from the source given in the previous sentence,
he is very likely to be irrelevant to Kaifeng Jews. Siderumhk (talk) 07:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find any mention of him in my genealogy books on the Kaifeng Jews. So, I doubt he was a Jew. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 08:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: actually your rant is irrelavant- this article is specifically talking about the jews who arrived in China hundreds of years ago, not modern European jews not from China. Judaism was referred to as Zhuhu in medieval times in China, not as "youtai jiao" 犹太教. the kaifeng community was always called Tiaojinjiao (挑筋教), never as 犹太教. "Youtai jiao", is a relatively recent term, used to describe foreign jews as contact increased during recent centuries.DÜNGÁNÈ (talk) 21:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese name of Jews and Shi Kefa 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I ended up having to piece together information from the review, the article, and the HUC web page to determine that the HUC library in Cincinnati was the Klau; I also had to hunt down that Judeo-Persian means lettering, not a transcription of a Judaeo-Persian spoken dialect (Judeo-Iranian_languages), so is almost certainly what reviewer David Stern reviewer means when he writes "Jewish-Persian hand." MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 23:44, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manuscripts - assumption that these are the same: "Judeo-Perisan" and "Jewish Persian hand" 

message: Perhaps the "Kaifeng codex" could include a grouping or at least a reference to these because there is a common attribute related to the occurrence and characterization of diacritic vowels in old Hebrew manuscripts: Leningrad_Codex and Aleppo_Codex. "Gibberish"-- the term used in the article--also turns out to be a term used to describe these two codices: Jordan_Lead_Codices and Voynich_manuscript. MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 23:47, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manuscripts -- grouping for codices? 

message: The photo has a logo, but the material in it is not copyrighted. Can it be included? Perhaps a link to it could be included, but where?
This looks like the book of names.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100528065115/http://www.huc.edu/libraries/exhibits/rbr/images/yt00042t.jpg
MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 13:22, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The material itself is too old for copyright but HUC have owned the documents since the early 20th-century. Any scans of the documents are their exclusive property. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 13:09, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding photo of a Kaifeng manuscript? 

message: The line says that modern Jews are "identifiable today" by the Ming Dynasty emperor-given surnames, but this seems faulty. These are all extremely common Chinese surnames, and the way this is framed makes it sound as if people who have those surnames today in China are likely Jewish, which is obviously untrue. I think the goal is to say that these names are still held by modern Kaifeng Jews, but this is not clear. The quote comes from the original citation given in 2009http://www.haruth.com/AsiaKaifeng.html, but this information is not included in the more academic current citation. Maybe this sentence could be removed / rephrased?
InstantRamenNoodle (talk) 02:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surname Identification 

message: Similarly, in the documentary Quest for the Lost Tribes, by the Canadian filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici, the film crew visits the home of an elderly Kaifeng Jew who describes the recent history of the Kaifeng Jews, shows some old photographs, and shows his identity papers which state that he is a member of the Jewish ethnic group.
I've used a dozen different combinations over three hours doing a google search for an RS indeed any source that might corroborate this. The film itself is hardly mentioned anywhere. Rather than keep this up indefinitely with a tag, I'm putting it here. If someone can find  an RS then it can be re-added. Nishidani (talk) 20:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simcha Jacobovici 

message: I have erelocated here for the moment the following passage, which is clearly taken from Tiberiu Weisz's book which is not RS, unfortunately.
Two of the stelae refer to a famous tattoo written on the back of Song Dynasty General Yue Fei. The tattoo, which reads "boundless loyalty to the country" (), first appeared in a section of the 1489 stele talking about the Jews' "boundless loyalty to the country and Prince". The second appeared in a section of the 1512 stele talking about how Jewish soldiers and officers in the Chinese armies were "boundlessly loyal to the country." 
Yue Fei defended Kaifeng in 1127, and therefore would be relevant if some secopndary source discussed this in connection with the terms in the stele which use the same characters he had tattoed on him. But so far I can't find one. Nishidani (talk) 16:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear what this passage has to do with the price of chips 

message: (Scholars specializing in the study of the history and subculture of Judaism in premodern China (Sino-Judaica) have noted )surprising similarities between this work and the liturgy of the Kaifeng Jews, (descendants of Persian Jewish merchants who settled in the Middle Kingdom during the early Song dynasty.)
*I have corrected the reference to conform with that of the page.
*This passage is plunbked into the middle of the text, adding repetitive language (see brackets) 
*Kaifeng Jews is linked when it is the topic pof the article.
*In context there is nothing to make clear to the reader what this work refers to.
So it is seriously flawed in several respects. Try to state what you wante added here. Nishidani (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What work?