Talk:Slavic dragon

message: In Russia he is called as Zmey Gorinich, has three heads, is green, walks on two back paws, has small front paws, and spits fire.
Yes, and Zmey in Russian means Snake, not Dragon.
In Bulgarian smok("смок") is kind of snake. I think its name comes from smucha("смуча") which means "to suck". To tell that somebody is a "smok" means that he drinks(swallows) too much. So smok is not unique.
:: "Змея" (Zmeya) in Russian means Snake indeed, but "Змей" (Zmey, masculine form of a word "Змея") in russian fairy tales allways means dragon-like creature: it can fly, it has many heads, it spits fire. Енин Арсений (talk) 18:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
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message: The description of the creature corresponds to azdaja, animal like being like lizard. Zmaj is human-like being which communicates with people and steals young girls according to Serbian mythology, and their children with those girls are heros. Zmajs were considered great lovers. When Zmajs are landing and arriving somewhere they are accompanied with flames, thunders and strong winds. It is intersting to note that in Old Testemony similar creatures are mentioned that are called sons of God. In the Bible they land on Earth and took human daughters as wifes and had children with them that were heros.
Remark:
You should put the link to Milos Obilic here - he was the knight of the dragon order, it is a XIV century story, there is a literature/legends about the origin of Milos, as well as the artistic work. Moreover, it is on wikipedia, as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milos_Obilic
:More accurately, zmaj is a dragon and is sometimes believed capable of taking human form, while not being a humanoid itself. Azdaha (archaic term) or azdaja (modern term) is of the same nature as dragon, but is a monster and a dreadful beast. While dragons in Western mythology are sometimes benevolent and sometimes malevolent, in Serbian mythology there is a division between zmaj (benevolent and highly intelligent dragon) and azdaja (malevolent dragon-like monster). Zmaj is always highly intelligent, has superhuman strength, is proficient in magic, is very old and has enormous knowledge, is very rich and possesses unimaginable amounts of gold and other precious things. It is also described as lustful for human women and capable of having offspring with them, and sometimes capable of taking human form. There were many legends about many great historical and/or mythical heroes that they were conceived by a dragon. On the other hand, the beast on St. George icon is an azdaja, and not a dragon. In Serbian, it is called 'St. George slays the azdaja', while English term 'dragon' is almost always translated as 'zmaj'.79.101.236.151 (talk) 02:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zmaj and azdaja 

message: In some fairytales, slavic dragons have not only three, but also six and nine heads. In one such tale, a hero must kill all three. On the first night that the hero stands guard, the three-headed one comes out. On the second night, the six-headed one comes out. On the third night, the nine-headed one comes out. 
Sometimes, if all heads aren't sliced off at the same time, they grow again or can be put back on.
The heads usually come in multiples of three. The Russian version of this article is quite usefull and more detailed on the subject of heads. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ladywater (talk • contribs) 07:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three Heads? 

message: "A dragon is called zmey in Russian and Bulgarian,"
Actually, a dragon can also be called "drakon" in Russian (дракон). See: :ru:Дракон.  "Zmey" is an older word, and isn't used as frequently anymore.  I think in English, "Snake" or "serpent" can also mean "dragon". Esn (talk) 21:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Traditionally, there is a difference between a Hydra and a Dragon, not to mention, Wyrm, which is often used for Dragon. The article references a variant of the Lernaean Hydra, A classical Dragon, and a 'dragon-like creature, which appears to be a hydra of another sort.  Dragons have, of late become a much discussed topic in Fantasy Literature, and much can be read concerning them.  It's important to distinguish between the information gleaned from modern sources, and the mythic data from centuries past.--2605:6000:5741:D400:CD35:8D7B:E794:F68F (talk) 16:00, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: "is green, walks on two back paws, has small front paws" (this edit‎ by Ghirlandajo) has been around since 2005 but I've commented these since they have never been sourced, and I'm unable to src them at all either.--Kiyoweap (talk) 07:33, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: In Zmei (Russian) I added "Sometimes..with green scales", given in Kravchenko's thesis, but can't tell what the primary src is (the epic ballad or wondertale), so I still see it as tentative info. --Kiyoweap (talk) 00:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Green color

message: The only thing I can learn about this supposed hero named "Mavrud" defeating the Bulgarian lamia and giving rise to a wine grape of his nameake is that the "connoisseurs" of the wine like to repeat this story. I've removed it (except for See also), and a few lines in the 
Mavrud wine page where it might belong. --Kiyoweap (talk) 00:55, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mavrud 

message: Something about the St. George on Moscow's coat of arms supposed to represent the Russian crushing the Turks or Mongols underfoot, this kind of thing certainly needs good sourcing and none has ever been provided since it was written 22:43, 27 August 2005 by Ghirlandajo.
I'm seeing this now as a "myth" (piece of fiction manufactured by a novelist), after finding snippets of this article: Brougher, Valentina G. "Myth in Vsevolod Ivanov's The Kremlin", Canadian Slavonic Papers" 35, nos. 3-4 Sept-Dec 1993, 221-234: "The Moscow Kremlin coat of arms is holy: [it depicts] St. George the Triumphant who crushed the serpent (dragon) and tore its pagan Tatar mouth to shreds. Placing the significance of the emblem16 in a historical and religious context that is meaningful to him, the builder..", etc.
--Kiyoweap (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moscow coat of arms 

message: Is it justified to deem the Romanian Zmeu a Slavic mythological entity? It seems to differ greatly from the benevolent Balkan Zmei, possesing different attributes and presumably originating in earlier folklore which had syncretized. As far as I can tell, the Romanian Zmeu at most fulfills the role of equivalent to the Ala, with Pre-Slavic Paleo-Balkan elements being presumably at the root of the weather-making legend present in both.These aspects are found in the myth of the Romanian Zmei or Balauri, present in the Scholomance legend partially covered in this article, the latter name being of Daco-Thracian or largely Paleo-Balkan root; *bell- or *ber- "beast, monster". Considering that the Romanians are not a Slavic people, should their folklore be generalized here? -- Trideeglass (talk) 20:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presence of the Romanian Zmeu