Talk:Beslan school siege

message: I know there is a lot here regarding NPOV, but I have picked up some grammatical errors etc. and will just do a clean-up of those. --Soulparadox 16:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, NPOV has inevitably come into it. --Soulparadox 17:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: General copy editing

message: This link is dead for me, can someone please confirm this and remove it.
Russian TV shows school siege terror, BBC News, 8 September, 2004 (See the video)
nutterguy (talk) 07:22, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Still "dead" since the link in the article is a 404. 173.164.86.190 (talk) 21:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead video link 

message: Just remember, media stuff is not free. But the Aushev tape is free (both fragments) and so are a public domain photos. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 16:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More pictures? 

message: I believe I finished Kizlyar-Pervomayskoye hostage crisis, but it needs some copyedit.
Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis and Moscow theater hostage crisis are pretty good but need sources. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 13:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In related articles 

message: I've still haven't seen a barnstar for an article and in too many cases only the negatives of the article are focused on.  Thank you to the community for compiling such a comprehensive article on a controversial topic.  I learned a lot about this tragic and rather complicated event.  I see some pegging this article as long and perhaps overly referenced but I found (as an outsider) that the volume of references removed questions as to statement neutrality and reliability.  Thanks, folks! Ogre lawless (talk) 09:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I too agree that article is good and provides a lot of detail, thanks to many good wikipedians who contributed here! As a critical comment, I do not understand this phrase in introduction: "On the third day of the standoff, a series of explosions shook the school, followed by a fire which engulfed the building and a chaotic gunbattle between the hostage-takers and Russian security forces". Actually, a majority of people were killed by direct tank gunfire and with flamethrowers used by Russian security forces, as can see from the character of their wounds and other materials. This has been discussed at the talk page above. Is not it? If so, this should be more clearly stated.Biophys (talk) 17:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer the introduction the way it was tbh (concerning the voice of beslan paragraph), otherwise it gets a bit too big. BTW it's pretty hard to define the "biggest terrorist attack since september 11", because for example the 2007 Yazidi communities bombings had twice the amount of casualties as Beslan, so maybe it's best to exclude that. - PietervHuis (talk) 02:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I think it's too much of pushing the point. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 23:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Perhaps you are right about "the biggest terrorist attack", but you simply deleted all my edits. "Too big" is not an argument. Please explain what is wrong  and let others to reply and discuss.Biophys (talk) 04:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah sorry about that. I meant the part about the voice of beslan group, there are many organisations who demanded a new investigation etc, not just that group. Maybe the best would be to say something like "many organisations demanded an independent investigation but were charged by the federal government". "most were burned alive", are we sure about that? I used to believe that most simply died in blasts. That's hard to investigate but judging from the few grizzly images ive seen many bodies didn't have (much) burn marks. Also on a side-note you often place the dot _after_ a reference, best is before I think, which most people do. - PietervHuis (talk) 14:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Now I understand what you mean. Two comments. You wrote that Basyev blamed Putin. This is not clear. What does it mean? Second, I think it is important to tell something about Mothers of Beslan in the end of introduction. Perhaps previous version was not good. Let's try something better.Biophys (talk) 15:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well even though Basayev was largely responsible for the outcome, he didn't claim responsibility for the outcome, only the hostage taking, that's a difference. - PietervHuis (talk) 15:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but this fine distinction is not clear in introduction.Biophys (talk) 16:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks for the lovely article 

message: I think we're dealing with the same person here. "Ali" in BBC's documentary is the person who spoke with the woman and Aushev and was captured on tape. According to this article  they are the same person. - PietervHuis (talk) 23:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruslan Khuchbarov / Ali 

message: Way to thank the only hero of the day... - PietervHuis (talk) 03:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Aushev

message: --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 07:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I'm nominating this for GA, assuming 84.234.60.154 doesn't object. Gimmetrow 06:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  So, why is it not even a good article? 

message: *http://www.geocities.com/svetlana.gubareva/other/140.html 
Also:
The fact that Roshal contradicted the official explanation for the mystery illness is particularly interesting in light of the fact that the Chechen separatists view him with suspicion. Indeed, some observers expressed surprise that the terrorists in the September 2004 Beslan hostage-taking incident asked for him as chief negotiator, given that during the October 2002 Dubrovka hostage crisis he had helped evacuate children from Dubrovka theater but had also given advice to the Russian security services as they prepared to storm the theater—for which he received a medal from the Russian government. In addition, Roshal later publicly backed the Kremlin’s line that the narcotic gas that the security services used during the storming of the Dubrovka Theater, which killed as many as 200 of the hostages, was harmless (see Chechnya Weekly, September 8, 2004).
He was made Hero of Russia, not just "medal". --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Leonid Roshal, a renowned pediatrician" 

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message: This is partly described in the article, but almost all the terrorists have been previously arrested on the terrorism and other serious crime charges and then ...freed, just before the attack, according to the criminal case documents - see this article by Ella Kesaeva, the chairwomen of the Voice of Beslan 
.Biophys (talk) 02:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The terrorists had been allegedly controlled by the FSB

message: Edit wars are a worthless waste of time. Instead, I believe that the talk section here can be used to inject some balance by problematizing and raising some serious challenges to the propaganda narrative being fed on the main page. Please note that the section discussing criticism of the Russian government contains the following serious problems:
-The use of an avowed political opponent of the Russian state, Litivenko, as an authority.  The man defected to Britain, betraying his country's trust and his role as a member of its secret service.
-The use of polls from Russia, a culture with every reason in the world to suspect and doubt its government.
In fact the very presence of the section is an attempt to deflect responsibility for the outcome away from the killers to the Russian government.  The inclusion of unsubstantiated and very serious charges of a false flag operation, without any evidence whatsoever, is another indication of some serious lack of balance and a Russophobic agenda at play.
These problems need to be addressed urgently, along with the need for a clear motives and intentions section for the killers in this case.----Jackkalpakian (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a fan of fringe theories myself Jackkal, but the reason to exclude Litvinenko's words solely because he's a "defector" is wrong. Litvinenko did not betray his country, instead he fought for it. In his view and that of his readers, it's the Post-Soviet Russian leaders that defected Russia and turned it into a country full of human rights abuse. There's other reasons to exclude or marginalize that section, such as it being a fringe theory. Grey Fox (talk) 02:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree with Jackkalpakian.  I came to the talk page to note that the article is way in the direction of giving undue weight to criticism of the Russian government, special forces, and military.  I mean, holy crap, they're not the ones who wired up explosives to kill the children.  Tempshill (talk) 03:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV absent in the piece as it currently stands 

message: After someone moved this from Beslan school hostage crisis to current name, the talk archives seem to be now in old addresses (Beslan school hostage crisis/Archive #). I'm not going to push any undo buttons, especially as I don't exactly know what it performs in this case. --J. Sketter (talk) 21:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title change 

message: But no idea how to fix the "Template:Cite web date=December 23, 2006" thing. --83.13.135.170 (talk) 07:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up 

message: See Talk:Kamel Rabat Bouralha. I just tried to research him and couldn't find anything else. I'm saying this very seriously. --83.13.135.170 (talk) 10:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, you don't have to be on the internet to be a real person, you may have to try researching him in real life. Second of all OR is not allowed on wikipedia so if someone did find him they couldn't report it here. 99.236.221.124 (talk) 19:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm not sure this "Kamel Rabat Bouralha" is even a real person 

message: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/crisis
obviously 'beslan massacre' is a much more suitable name for this article than 'Beslan school hostage crisis'. can we please have some common sense and finally change the article name? 217.37.247.77 (talk) 12:28, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.--Mr. Stein (talk) 04:58, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, change the title to Beslan massacre. That is what it is most commonly called, and is a better description of what was a mass murder. The current title implies that it was only a hostage-taking event and that all the hostages were released. People being taken hostage was not the worst part of this event, the murders were. Jim Michael (talk) 23:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would file a move request first. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article rename 

message: This talks about Marina Park (Марины Пак, also written as "Pak"), the mother of Svetlana Sergeevna "Sveta" Tsoy (also written as "Choi") (Светлана Сергеевна Цой - Света / 스베틀라나 초이), the only Korean victim, and her efforts to try to find the true details of the incident:
* Kim, Ki-hyun. "Mother of Korean Beslan Massacre Victim Leading Investigation Push." (Archive) Dong-a Ilbo. 29 August 2005.
** The word koreyenka (unstressed it would be "kareyenka") is written in Russian as "кореянка"
WhisperToMe (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mother of Korean victim

message: * http://web.archive.org/web/20040919024526/http://www.beslan.ru/
* Focus: When hell came calling at Beslan's School No 1, The Guardian, September 5, 2004
* Timeline: the Beslan school siege, The Guardian, September 6, 2004
* Russian press review. English overview of Russian press reaction, The Guardian, September 6, 2004.
* Vlasova, Irina. "Beslan aftermath." Pravda. 27 September 2004.
* Franchetti, Mark. "The aftermath of the Beslan school massacre." The Sunday Times. August 9, 2009.
** It said that of all the terrorist attacks in history, it killed more children (186) than any other
** It talks about the community infighting that occurred post-Beslan
*"Life after the horror of Beslan." The Independent. Tuesday 30 March 2006
** About the British efforts to help traumatized children mainstream into society
*"Osetia Mourned Beslan." Kommersant. September 5, 2005.
**Russian version: "Осетия оплакала Беслан." Kommersant. September 5, 2005. Info in Russian: Газета "Коммерсантъ", №165/П (3249), 05.09.2005
*"Greek Teacher among Beslan Terror Victims." Novoinite. Monday September 6, 2004.
** Says that Yanis Kanidis and a Turkish girl were the two non-Russian students identified as victims. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:26, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Other sources

message: The article currently has 2 stills it claims come from the Aushev tape. There appears to be some confusion here, as earlier the article claimed the tape that 48 Hours obtained was the Aushev tape. I changed this . If you read the sources, neither of them say this is the Aushev tape. If you read the description given by 48 Hours, it seems unlikely this is the Aushev tape unless the Russian authorities decided to take the tape with them during the seige, then leave it lying around after they left which frankly is a silly suggestion. It's possible this is simply a duplicate of the Aushev tape, but since the tape acquired by 48 Hours evidentally included footage of Aushev, this would imply they not only decided to duplicate the tape (and had stuff to duplicate the tape) but somehow managed to do it (or complete it) after Aushev visited them which is possible, but again seems a bit far-fetched. Far more likely this is another tape the hostake takers made (it seems likely they had multiple cameras taken from parents or possibly the one camera they did have had another tape) and not the Aushev tape, unless sources can be provided which suggest otherwise (of course it would be equally wrong for us to say this is definitely another tape). So are these stills from the Aushev tape, or are they from 48 Hours? I'm guessing it's the later. The article should be clarified in any case. Nil Einne (talk) 17:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's worse then that. The first source doesn't say the fragment that was shown on Russian NTV not long after was the Aushev tape either . In fact it sounds like it wasn't clear at the time how NTV got hold of it or where it came from other then the fact it was shot by the hostage takers. Did NTV ever actually identify this tape as the Aushev tape? Is there any other info to suggest it was the Aushev tape? From the info I've seen so far, it seems easily possible that this was another tape either another one the hostage takers made that was left behind in the ruble by the Russian authorities or that was taken by the authorities after the seige and then somehow leaked to the media. In other words, from what I've seen so far, there isn't clear evidence that the first tape wasn't in fact blank (which could have been accidential). To be fair, there's enough of a question mark that I don't think we can really take the Russian authorities at their word either but nor is the fragment of tape NTV acquired clear evidence they were lying unless there is clear evidence this was in fact the Aushev tape. Nil Einne (talk) 19:00, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Also, the video link at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3636196.stm seems to be expired. Nil Einne, for the particular tape described in the BBC link, do you know if there are hosted copies of the entire tape elsewhere? WhisperToMe (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aushev tape 

message: I found:
* Macgilchrist, Felicitas. Journalism and the Political: Discursive Tensions in News Coverage of Russia. John Benjamins Publishing Company, 2011. , 9789027206312.
Pages 94-100 discuss Beslan and Dubrovka.
WhisperToMe (talk) 04:54, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources about attitudes towards Beslan and Dubrovka

message: This article is as far from neutral as it can be without actually putting a "Made in Chechnya" label on it. Each and every statement describing the actions of Russian special forces is inevitably followed by "but |name of source| says that..." and it goes on bashing them.
NOWHERE in this aricle I see any note that this was a UNIQUE situation. 1000 children held by separatist maniacs (oh yes, I'm choosing my words carefully) in a school building in a remote town in one of the "hottest" regions in the middle of a WAR - this never happened before and I do hope it'll never happen again. Yet, there's a definite surplus of criticism, richly spiced by anti-Russian propaganda.
I strongly believe this article needs a tone down and a major one! Nomad (talk) 02:08, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  This article is very biased pro-terrorist propaganda.  Good god who wrote this stuff?  It is a disgrace to Wikipedia.  It would be better if there were no article at all.  Even the name is biased and NPOV.  No one would stand for this kind of indoctrinated revisionist history getting into the 9/11 article, why is it OK here?  Because it's just Russians and they don't matter?  I thought Wiki editors were better than this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.166.88.158 (talk) 04:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You thought wrong.Bobinisrael (talk) 18:08, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: *Bullough, Oliver. "Russian town still feels pain of losing children." The Age. 24 August 2005.
WhisperToMe (talk) 16:10, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: On psychological impact on Beslan

message: TAGAYEVA AND OTHERS v. RUSSIA, App. No 26562/07
Some highlights:
*The initial shootout killed at least 2 local men, the militants had 2 wounded but 0 dead. It's still unclear if it was armed residents or police shooting. Not "up to 50" but about 100 people fled, plus 15 hid.
*The male militant who was killed by the exploding woman was actually one of the Arabs. Also some hostages said it was due to "an attack from the outside".
*There were 2 militants (not just 1) who were standing on the supposed "dead man switch" detonators and both of them were among those killed by the first 2 explosions - due to the "fire ball"/"wall of fire" in the roof-space and the wall blast 22 seconds later. Nevertheless after that "the IEDs remained intact" (which is well known) but eventually one large IED exploded in "the most powerful of the three explosions", apparently after it had caught fire. 
*Following the explosions not just "scores" but "over 300" hostages were moved to the southern wing to the cafeteria ("the canteen and the kitchen"), and still some more were taken to the meeting room above the cafeteria. Over 100 of them then died there (in the southern wing).
*There were 2 Mi-24s circling over the school (more precisse than "at least one") and they might have fired at least 1 rocket at the roof. Similarily, 2 BTR-80s ("APC-80") fired "their large-calibre machine guns", not just 1.
I might update the article some time later (right now I didn't even finish reading through even half of it). --Niemti (talk) 02:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A great new summary of the most important facts/theories from the [[European Court of Human Rights]] 

message: Why does this article have as its title what seems to be the least popular name for the event (Google ngram). 'Beslan school siege' seems the obvious title. 'Crisis' is vague, 'Massacre' is specific, but 'Siege' seems the commonest term. Remember also that because 'Beslan School Hostage Crisis' is the title used in wikipedia, that itself will be boosting its score in Google ngram as the wikipedia article is cited elsewhere in addition to being included itself. Even with that inflation, it is still clearly the least popular term for this event.--Flexdream (talk) 00:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title

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message: This article is a joke. Who writes two sentences like this in a row, and does NOT expect people to think that the second was caused by the first? This is from the first paragraph of the article: "On the third day of the standoff, Russian security forces stormed the building with tanks, incendiary rockets and other heavy weapons.[7] 334 people (excluding terrorists) were killed,[1] including 186 children." 
There is also no analysis of death causes in the article, besides the hilarious "Some human rights activists claim that at least 80% of the hostages were killed by indiscriminate Russian fire". Is this also a joke? 
"It was not a hostage rescue operation... but an army operation aimed at wiping out the terrorists". Nice quote. Meanwhile in real life: Alexandr Perov (the commander of "Alpha") during the assault stayed with his troops despite being injured, helped kids escape through windows under fire, and the last action in his life was to jump on a grenade, protecting the kids. Awarded the Hero of Russia. Of course these facts are completely irrelevant to the topic and thus they are not even mentioned in the English version of this article (sarcasm).
This article needs to be seriously fact-checked, based on the official investigation and reports and citing actual experts, not based on BBC citing witnesses and "human right activists". 24.17.214.179 (talk) 00:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I take it these "actual experts" would all have to be known apologists for the Russian government. What you're proposing isn't neutrality, but to have the article parrot the Russian party line. For some reason, I doubt you are making these arguments in good faith.  WP Ludicer (talk) 06:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality? 

message: So Wikipedia has "Peshawar School Massacre" but it has no "Beslan School Massacre" ?!?!?  
This is preposterous, the ONLY reason this tragedy became one of the main events of the year in the entire world was precisely because of the HORRIFIC INTENTIONAL MASS SLAUGHTER OF CHILDREN.  Not to use the title SCHOOL  MASSACRE is an insult to the victims and a misuse of WP for demagogy.--Shores of bohemia (talk) 11:48, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Pal, it is not a misuse of WP for demagogy. It is a fine example of what WP is now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.74.207 (talk) 17:01, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

text: there are 3 different descriptions now under the article - so - it is stated as a massacre50.111.54.42 (talk) 16:31, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massacre 

message: In the text there is a statement that in the group of attacker "there were 12 Chechen men, [...] one Kabardinian and one Guran." (link to the list of "Kurdish tribes") "The Gurans are a people who live near Lake Baikal who are practically russified."Confusion surrounds Beslan band, Institute for War and Peace Reporting, 2004-09-22 The cited reference is no longer reachable, and the list of "Kurdish tribes" states that the Gurans are a kurdish tribe in Kermanshah province (western Iran, next to Iraq), which is not at all near to Lake Baikal. So I doubt the statement at all. Maybe it's OK just to write "one Kabardinian and one Kurd", maybe not, but the present information is more confusing than helpful. Aidas (talk) 13:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if not doubting the source tharwaproject.com, there is a text about an corresponding ethnic group called Гуран (Guran, or Guranai in Lithuanian, my native tongue). I would change the reference into an archived version of the page, but archive.org did not archive a version. So I'll just remove the internal link to the list of "Kurdish tribes", which is definitively wrong - if understanding russian or ukrainian or lithuanian, you may check in the text :ru:Гуран. Aidas (talk) 16:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, I found that the above mentioned reference text now can be found at . So I just correct the reference URL in the article. Aidas (talk) 09:07, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

text: Either the terrorist was not a Guran, or the Russian official needs a serious lesson in geography.50.111.54.42 (talk) 16:32, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The information that one of the terrorists was a Guran originated not from Russian officials but from Basayev himself. He said as much in his statement published on 17 September 2004, where he claimed responsibility for the attack and outlined the ethnic makeup of the gang. The original statement is hosted on Kavkazcenter.com, which is blacklisted in Wikipedia, so no direct link can be provided here. 109.252.79.90 (talk) 17:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: And Gurans do live near Lake Baikal: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гураны , so the accusation made by 50.111.54.42 (about “the Russian official who needs a serious lesson in geography”) is misplaced, to put it mildly. 2A00:1370:8155:12F7:55A2:3509:2DF1:7C57 (talk) 11:18, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Guran" member? 

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message: I will note a weird edit to the songs inspired by this event is that "Run" by Snow Patrol was inspired by this event. There is no source given for this and the fact that the songs on wikipedia page makes no mention of this is unlikely so I will be removing it. If some one can provide a reference, they can roll back the change and reinstate.
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message: Kommersant seems to have taken down its English site, but I found backups of some articles:
2005:
*"Osetia Mourned Beslan." September 5, 2005. Russian version: "Осетия оплакала Беслан." Kommersant. September 5, 2005. Info in Russian: Газета "Коммерсантъ", №165/П (3249), 05.09.2005
*Zygar, Mikhail. "Kremlin Won Everything." Sep. 01, 2005. - Russian: "Чрезвычайное поражение"
*Allenova, Olga. "Everything Decided for Beslan Mothers." Aug. 29, 2005. - Russian: "За бесланских матерей все решили"
*"Mustafa Batdyev Prevented His Own Beslan." Aug. 25, 2005. - Russian: "Мустафа Батдыев предотвратил свой Беслан"
*Farnieva, Zaur and Olga Allenova. "Prosecutor Summoned." Aug. 24, 2005. - Russian: "Пришли за прокурором"
* "Beslan Militant Calms Down Victims." Aug. 17, 2005. - Russian: ""Кулаев, вы успокоили потерпевших""
*Farniev, Zaur. "We Received No Order to Save People." August 10, 2005. Russian: ""Спасать приказа не было""
*Farnieva, Zaur. "This Won't Be Another Nord-Ost." July 27, 2005. Russian: ""'Норд-Оста' здесь не будет"
2004:
*Tokhsyrov, Vadim and Musa Muradov. "Ingushetia's Internal Affairs Come to Light." Oct. 11, 2004. - Russian: "Внутренние дела Ингушетии вышли наружу"
*Taratuta, Yulia. "Hunting the Terrorist through His Mother." OCTOBER 06, 2004. - Russian: "Террориста преследуют по материнской линии"
*Tokhsyrov, Vadim. "Beslan Humanitarian Aid Rotting in Warehouses." OCTOBER 01, 2004. - Russian: "Помощь гибнет"
*"Burials Continue in Beslan." SEPTEMBER 30, 2004.
*"Commission to Publicize Materials on Beslan." SEPTEMBER 30, 2004.
*"A Plane of Emergency Ministry Arrives in Beslan." SEPTEMBER 29, 2004.
*Dyupin, Sergey. "At That Moment, I Really Wanted to Live." SEPTEMBER 28, 2004. - Russian: ""Просто в тот момент очень захотелось жить""
*"Maskhadov Is the Beslan Siege Perpetrator." SEPTEMBER 24, 2004.
*Panyushkin, Valery. "The Language of War." Sep. 22, 2004. - Russian: "Язык войны"
*Osipova, Yulia. "Beslan Children Get Used to Classes." Sep. 22, 2004. - Russian: "Бесланских детей приучают к учебе"
*Barakhova, Alla. "Federation Secret."  Sep. 21, 2004. - Russian: "Секрет федерации"
*Panyushkin, Valery. "Be Radiant." Sep. 20, 2004. - Russian: "Будьте светлыми"
*"Parliamentary Commission on Beslan Starts its Work." SEPTEMBER 20, 2004.
*Dyupin, Sergey. "The Investigation is Hitting it on the Head." SEPTEMBER 16, 2004. - Russian: "Следствие ударилось в головы"
*Bulavinov, Ilya. "The Five Most." SEPTEMBER 14, 2004. Russian: "Пятеро крайних."
*"Putin Wants to Change the System." SEPTEMBER 13, 2004.
*Dyupin, Sergey. "Ossetian Police Search for Provocateurs." SEPTEMBER 13, 2004. - Russian: "Осетинская милиция разыскивает провокаторов"
*"Head Terrorist “The Colonel” Not Found among the Dead." SEPTEMBER 10, 2004.
*Tokhsyrov, Vadim. "They've Identified Everyone They Could." SEPTEMBER 08, 2004. - Russian: "Все, кого можно было опознать, уже опознаны"
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replies: text: Please note that some of the earlier articles (2004-2005) may contain outdated info, because a lot of things weren't established until 2007-2008 or even later. Никто не забыт (talk) 13:45, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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message: * Toal, Gerard (as Gearóid Ó Tuathail) (Virginia Tech School of Public and International Affairs). "Placing blame: Making sense of Beslan." Political Geography 28 (2009) 4–15. Alt link
**Toal makes allegations about the process of the Torshin Report.  I'm unsure how widespread the allegations are; if only he makes the allegations there may not be enough WP:Weight to talk about them, but if Western and/or some Russian sources share a consensus I think the article may need to address these things.
* Dunlop, John B. (Stanford University). "The September 2004 Beslan Terrorist Incident: New Findings." Center on Democracy, Development, and The Rule of Law (CDDRL), Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies Working Papers. Number 115, July 2009.
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message: What was the fate of the school building itself?  Was it rebuilt?  Demolished?  Abandoned as is?  Elsquared (talk) 04:38, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The school was rebuilt in 2011–2012 and now functions as a memorial. The southern wing and and the structure between the gym and the school proper were demolished during the renovations: https://web.archive.org/web/20110602010121/http://region15.ru/news/main/2011/05/29/17-50/ There are plans to create a museum there: a new renovation of the school building is ongoing, due to be finished by the end of the year: https://web.archive.org/web/20220506100042/https://region15.ru/v-beslane-prodolzhaetsya-stroitelstvo-muzejnogo-kompleksa/ The sections of the school previously demolished in 2011 will now be restored. Arbeite19 (talk) 10:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is good info for the article. Please add it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.54.42 (talk) 17:08, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Could clear up confusion Dunutubble (talk) 20:02, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  fate of school building? 

message: The number of hostages killed seems to vary from 333 to 334. Which one is it? 2600:1007:B000:6CBC:EC9F:EA3A:C585:CA15 (talk) 16:07, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends on how they are defined. It is possible say a person who died 30 days or 1 year or so or so after the event may be counted as a survivor. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  333 or 334? 

message: Extract in a military or police context implies rescue. Here the intended idea is elimination, cleansing, banning. 2604:3D09:8879:4B90:DDEC:E35E:1B81:EDAE (talk) 07:36, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extract is the wrong word 

message: When the popular arcade game Mario Kart Arcade GP came out, oddly enough it contained an image from this crisis labeled as camtest2.jpg.  Maybe add this somewhere or is this a bit of a reach? 2600:1016:B028:52C:5D0C:BBB2:B873:146F (talk) 21:55, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This feels irrelevant to the main purpose of the article. Though this may be considered a neat bit of trivia that mentions the subject, it is unrelated to the rest of the content of this article. Perhaps this could find a place in the article Mario Kart Arcade GP, but it doesn't belong in the article for the Beslan school siege. Apelcini (talk) 15:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario Kart 

message: I believe that the section for Criticisms of the Russian Government in particular is too long, and makes the article difficult to navigate comfortably. How could this section best be condensed, while still retaining the necessary nuance for such a controversial issue? Apelcini (talk) 15:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section for Criticisms of the Russian Government