Talk:50 goals in 50 games

message: That last change doesn't make sense. The player doesn't have to play in 50 games. What is important to the rule book is that the player's goal is scored in the team's 50th game (or less). True Neely played in only 49 games that year...but they weren't the team's first 49 games. If Neely's 49th game was also the team's forty ninth game, then the record would count.
:Right, I get it now. I misread the table at . sjorford →•← 09:52, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: You did a great job at editing this site. But i do have one question for you. The grammar in this sentence (under the Brett Hull heading) is a little confusing:
*Hull was the first beat rookie goalie Dave Gagnon on January 21, 1991, in the Blues' 49th game
what exactly is meant?
It means I'm an idiot, that's what. 
It could also have meant that it was the first goal allowed by Gagnon, but as usual me edit self lots, bad grammar ensues. I meant to remove his involvement, but whatever.
They're not doing "a great job". Wikipedia has never done a great job. FACT. These "contributors" act like website administrators in private discussions, and act like moderators of pages they deem theirs which is asinine. It's a public resource. Not a fascist depository. I know of instances where groups of these leftists have gone as far as to conspire to remove content and remove users completely, just to control content as if they own history in some sycophantic manner.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.136.91.93 (talk) 04:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  to MJR... 

message: Alexander Mogilny scored 50 in 50? I wasn't aware of that. Where do you get your sources from? If he in fact did score 50 in 50, then we should add his name down with Cam Neely. I am too tired right now to do any research, but tomorrow when i wake up, i will have a look and see what i can dig up. Masterhatch july 15 2005
:I did a Google search and i was unable to find anything on Mogilny scoring 50 in 50. I don't have any books at my disposal to sift through, so I looked everywhere on the net. Either I am just missing it, or he didn't score 50 in 50. Yes, he scored 76 goals in 77 games that year, but I have found nothing on 50 in 50. Mr. 142.179.186.57, could you please cite your sources. Masterhatch 16 July 2005
::This article makes the assertion that Mogilny was the last to score 50 in 50, but no details. This article also puts Mogilny in the 50 in 50 club, no details either. Qutezuce 20:51, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That is so frustrating. Why couldn't they add details about his 50 in 50? If we can get more details, we can add it to this article. Masterhatch 03:40, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A post to a forum includes Mogilny in the unofficial 50 in 50 club, and it also mentions an unofficial 50in50 for Lemieux in the 95-96 season. If we can get some confirmation and details of these then they both should be added. Qutezuce 02:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Wow, this gets more and more confusing all the time. Well, I think there is enough info to add Mario to the unofficial part. But Alex seems confusing because we still don't know how many team games it took him to get 50. Masterhatch 03:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexander Mogilny? 

message: I have a copy of Beckett Hockey Monthly issue #50 with the five players that accomplished the true 50/50 on the cover. There is an in-depth article on all the players that accomplished the feat and the ones that were close. In the article, which was written by Tom Wheatley, it says that Jari Kurri(84-85), Alex Mogilny(92-93), Mario Lemieux(92-93 & 95-96), and Cam Neely(93-94) all scored 50 goals in 50 or less games, but NOT in the teams first 50 games. Changes: It also mentioned that Bobby Hull had 50 goals in 57 games in 65-66, not the 50 in 52 games that was on this site earlier. Mario Lemieux scored his 50th goal in his 48th game(teams 72nd) in 92-93 not his 44th that was on the site earlier. Also, he scored 19 goals in his final 12 games not 16 games in 92-93.
:According to the NHL Guide & Record Book, Bobby Hull's 50th goal in 1965-66 came in his 52nd game, which was the Black Hawks' 57th game. Aottley 01:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beckett Hockey Issue #50 and some changes 

message: if im not mistaken he did it in 52 games... that should be a near miss
:Nope, his best was in 63 games in 1992-93. Aottley 01:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selanne  

message: If a player is traded before 50 games and then scores 50 goals, how would it be classified?  Is it an official 50 in 50 only if its inside the new team's 50 games, the old one's, or something different altogether (like all the goals had to come with one of the teams)?  Funny, because if the official standard was the new team's 50 games, it is quite possible that the player himself would have played for more than 50 games (if the new team had played less games at the time of the trade), in which case it would be "official" but not meet the "unofficial" standard...Ans3000 07:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Beats me.  No doubt the NHL would figure out something, and if this ever happens, we'll deal with the issue at the time.  Ravenswing 19:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What if a player was traded... 

message: this guy was added to the list along with Bobby hull. I searched the net and could not find any record of 50 in 50. this site  is pretty informative, but mentions nothing about 50 in 50. anyways, i will delete this entry unless someone can come up with a reliable source. But i got thinking, even if they did score 50 in 50, do they deserve mention on this article? I mean, if we mention them here, why not mention every 50 in 50 scorer from every league around the world? I am sure someone scored 50 in 50 in some professional european league at some point in time. What about junior leagues? i am sure it has happened there too. i think this article should be restricted to NHL entries largely because it seems only the NHL makes a big deal of this record. If someone wants to start a new article listing 50 in 50 scorers from other leages, then they should fill their boots and just make a simple link on this article in the "See also" section. Masterhatch 19:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hedberg scored 50 goals in 47 games in the 1977/78 (actually it was the 76/77 season http://www.whahof.com/index.html) season for the WHA's Winnipeg Jets. . But then again this is the WHA. I agree with your thoughts about keeping this an NHL-only article. Yankees76 23:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anders Hedberg 

message: Overall, a great article. Thanks for the research, not only of the 'official' 50 in 50, but of the non-official and the near misses. One suggestion however... is there any chance of using a photo of Neely in a hockey uniform rather than the cheesy 'studio-shot' that is there now? I'm sure he used that for his Denis Leary related acting jobs. I'd prefer to remember him in his intimidating Bruins uni. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.30.152.190 (talk) 15:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neely photo? 

message: Matthew's didn't score 50 in his first 50 nor his team's first 50
His accomplishment doesn't even belong on this page at all. However that didn't stop someone from adding his 50 in 50 to the "official" section. His accomplishment is unofficial at best. 2604:3D08:397F:7D00:1C05:D564:C653:1AEA (talk) 16:20, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The NHL counts from the beginning of the season. Matthews doesn't meet the criteria!  Please stop adding him. Masterhatch (talk) 16:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  mathews 

message: I don't understandt why Matthews is added to unofficial list? Official 50 in 50 is in teams first 50 games, everyone knows that. Unofficial 50 in 50 is in players first 50 games. Matthees did it in 67 games. Yes, NHL tweeted about it, but Tweet said that "in any stretch during season". If Matthews stays on the list, they should be added too:
Wayne Gretzky 66
Brett Hull	59
Mario Lemieux	59
Alexander Mogilny	59
Phil Esposito	53
Mike Bossy	51
Jari Kurri	51
Bernie Nicholls	51
Maurice Richard	50
Charlie Simmer	50
Matthews should not be on the list and neither should the ones above be added. Ssuvik (talk) 17:21, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Masterhatch (talk) 17:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Matthews doesn't belong. We can thank TSN & other sports sites for their misguided reporting, on this story. GoodDay (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  More pmayers to add 

message: If Matthews stays on the list, they need to be added too. They also scored 50 in any 50 game stretch
fullName	goals	assists	points	games	start_date	end_date
Joe Malone	82	16	98	50	12/19/1917	3/6/1920
Newsy Lalonde	77	23	100	50	12/22/1917	3/3/1920
Babe Dye	75	19	94	50	1/17/1921	1/13/1923
Cy Denneny	69	18	87	50	2/28/1920	3/4/1922
Wayne Gretzky	66	78	144	50	10/31/1981	2/19/1982
Mario Lemieux	62	64	126	50	3/20/1993	11/18/1995
Frank Nighbor	59	34	93	50	2/25/1918	1/8/1921
Brett Hull	59	34	93	50	11/13/1990	3/9/1991
Alexander Mogilny	59	26	85	50	11/22/1992	3/20/1993
Maurice Richard	57	31	88	50	2/26/1944	2/17/1945
Cam Neely	56	24	80	50	3/27/1993	3/7/1994
Punch Broadbent	53	21	74	50	2/18/1919	2/15/1922
Phil Esposito	53	47	100	50	12/13/1970	4/4/1971
Howie Morenz	52	14	66	50	11/26/1929	12/11/1930
Teemu Selanne	52	36	88	50	12/29/1992	10/6/1993
Mike Bossy	51	34	85	50	10/12/1980	1/26/1981
Corb Denneny	51	20	71	50	2/18/1919	12/28/1921
Reg Noble	51	20	71	50	12/19/1917	2/4/1920
Jari Kurri	51	52	103	50	10/11/1984	2/3/1985
Bernie Nicholls	51	55	106	50	10/9/1988	1/31/1989
Bobby Hull	50	26	76	50	12/21/1966	10/28/1967
Charlie Simmer	50	38	88	50	10/14/1980	1/26/1981
Remove Matthews. He didn't do even the unofficial. Ssuvik (talk) 17:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Tis alright. Matthews won't be listed in the article. PS - We can thank TSN & other sports sites for the mix up. GoodDay (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accurate list 

message: Charlie simmer should be moved from near miss to unofficial 50 in 50. He scored #50 in game 51 but didn't score in game 1, thus, he had 50 between game 2 and game 51 which is 50 games.
https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/simmech01/gamelog/1981 2607:FEA8:A99A:2500:BC24:EBE:52D9:2FA3 (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Ya gotta get your 50th in your team's 50th game. GoodDay (talk) 17:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2022 

message: If you didn't get your 50 goals in your team's first 50 games? Then you don't belong in this article, period. GoodDay (talk) 17:59, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I support deleting the near misses section. I think the unofficial section should stay as long as it's clear that it's about the player getting 50 in his first 50 games. Masterhatch (talk) 20:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it's borderline original research anyways (though I feel someone is likely to write an article in the next few days citing this list, if they haven't already, creating a case of citogenesis). Kaiser matias (talk) 22:09, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unofficial 50 in 50 & Near misses sections, should be deleted 

message: In the Mid-season 50 in 50 scorers section:
Change "Jari Kurri scored 50 goals in 50 games, between games 30 to 78 of the 1985-86 season and finished with 68 goals."
to "Jari Kurri scored 50 goals in 50 games, between games 21 to 70 of the 1985-86 season and finished with 68 goals."
since the game 30 to 78 stretch only contained 45 goals, not 50
In the full list section:
Change "1895-86 - 50 in 50 Jari Kurri (50 in 49)"
to "1895-86 - 50 in 50 Jari Kurri"
since the game 21 to 70 stretch was 50 goals in 50 games, not 50 in 49 8ars123 (talk) 14:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2022 

message: Under the mid-season 50 in 50 scorers:
Change "Auston Matthews scored 51 goals in 50 games, between games 19 to 67 of the 2021-22 season and currently has 58 goals."
to "Auston Matthews scored 51 goals in 50 games, between games 18 to 67 of the 2021-22 season and currently has 58 goals." 8ars123 (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2022 (2) 

message: It should be changed that 50 in 50 in mid season IS recognized by the NHL. They even tweeted it from their PR department that it is recognized. It doesn’t matter if it is from the start or the middle or at the end. 50 in 50 games is 50 in 50 games. 
url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FPR_NHL%2Fstatus%2F1512938810451144710%3AJ6lt_tdSsjNUuGGbrbvyU9jcy40&cuid=770598 173.247.139.34 (talk) 11:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: 50 in 50 is special for 1 reason and 1 reason only: the Rocket scored 50 in 50 when there were only 50 games in the NHL. The number of goals scored in the first 50 games became the benchmark, hence the actual official record is Gretzky's 61 goals in his first 50 games, not his 50 goals in 39. The 50 in 39 is based on the fastest to 50. In other words, because the season used to be only 50 games, that is used as the benchmark. Otherwise 50 in 50 is purely an arbitrary number. Matthews does not qualify because it doesnt rank in the fastest to 50 nor most in the first 50. The list is not arbitrary and Matthews doesnt qualify. Leaving him in the mid-season list is a fair compromise. Masterhatch (talk) 13:39, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

text: From NHL.com: "MOST GOALS, 50 GAMES FROM START OF SEASON: 61 – 1981-82 (Oct. 7, 1981 to Jan. 22, 1982, 80-game schedule); 1983-84 (Oct. 5, 1983 to Jan. 25,1984, 80-game schedule Next (third): 54 – Mario Lemieux, 1988-89 (Oct. 7, 1988 – Jan. 31, 1989, 80-game schedule)". As you can see, from the start of the season is everything. Masterhatch (talk) 14:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathews 51 in 50