Talk:Five Years Gone

message: I've removed the following text:" Official from NBC.com: HAVING STOLEN THE SWORD AND TELEPORTED FIVE YEARS INTO THE FUTURE, HIRO AND ANDO BEAR WITNESS TO A GRIM, HARROWING FUTURE FOR THE "HEROES"-- Thrown five years in the future, Hiro and Ando discover that people with extraordinary abilities are not only widely known about -- after the destruction of New York City and the deaths of millions -- but are being registered, imprisoned, hunted and even killed as "terrorists." As the President takes his first step towards a "final solution," the pair get swept up in what could be the "Heroes" final battle and encounter a range of new and darkly familiar faces. If they survive the experience, can they still get back to the present and save the world?"It would appear to be sourced directly from an NBC release, so there's probably a copyright issue. However, it could well be rewritten and incorporated into the existing text. --Ckatzchatspy 20:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NBC press release info 

message: Can someone rewrite the last paragraph to make it flow better and to include Hiro's "the hard part" quote? It's very important for the next episode, since that quote sets off Hiro's plan to kill Sylar. dposse 17:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the hard part" in the last paragraph. 

message: Is the New York explosion a result of a mutant exploding or a mutant exploding a bomb?  Pictures suggest a mutant explodes.  But if Peter exploded, is he back together because he was able to regenerate after exploding (laughing incredulously)?--Raymm 17:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Mendez painting of the exploding man seems to indicate that the explosion (or at least the explosive force) emanated from an individual. Ted Sprague was able to detonate a transport van (when he escaped from the FBI) and a research facility (How do you stop an exploding man, Pt 2) without suffering physical damage. Assuming it is Sprague's power that causes the explosion (whether controlled by Ted, Peter, or Sylar), then the individual causing the explosion might be immune from its effects. Further, there has been no mention of a nuclear device except for the FBI's assumption that Sprague had access to Nuclear material due to his high radioactivity. Until we see the explosion, it's all speculation - but the characters seem to assume that a person will cause the explosion as a result of powers. ZZ 18:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's not speculation. Well, not all of it. Right now, we know that Peter absorbs an ability (possibly Ted's) and accidently blows himself up due to his inability to control the power and he survives using Claire's power of healing. That's what we know from the entire first season, especially this episode. dposse 18:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With respect to dposse, how do we know Peter "accidently blows himself up"?--Raymm 02:33, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: With respect to ZZ, re "the explosion (or at least the explosive force) emanated from an individual" -- I agree the pictures and comments by the characters could be interpreted this way.  However, in my view, the picture and comments are equally consistent with a person standing in front of a device exploding.  I am still unclear as to whether the New York explosion a result of a mutant exploding or a mutant exploding a bomb.  --Raymm 02:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exploding Mutant or Bomb 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Five_Years_Gone&diff=127482863&oldid=127480834
I want to include some of that infomation that the user added, but it obviously violates copyright. We need to be very careful about what we write here. We need a plot summary, not a play-by-play of what happens. If anyone can perhaps include some of the infomation from those edits and merge them within what we already have, instead of going overboard and basically writing the entire script, then please do so. dposse 18:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies and thank you for your thoughtful handling.  I'm a wiki-nubee.  I'd be grateful for a little more guidance on where I went off the rails, to improve my wiki-skills.--Raymm 02:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  my revert of [[User:Raymm]] edits. 

message: I'm pretty sure that at the end in his battle with peter, he uses Ted's powers of radiation, correct me if i'm wrong 66.215.99.135 20:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sylar is using cryokinesis. The simulated noise that is made as he uses the ability is the sound of a cold wind. Peter, on the other hand, appears to be using Ted's power. Because, as we've seen, Ted can actually irradiate his own body and become quite hot and flammable. However, Meredith Gordon has only shown manipulation of flames around her body, not as part of her body. GraniteJJ 23:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have your proof. Look at the damn photo for the page. It clearly shows Peter's hands on fire and Gabriel's hands chilling the surrounding air. Common sense is not outlawed on Wikipedia, though many people like to pretend it is. Did you see the episode in HD? It becomes even more clear. Should we write that we're unsure how Gabriel pulled Peter through the door? Are we sure it was phasing? What if he created a wormhole on each side of the door and used that? Can you prove he phased? Also, in regards to Meredith, I seem to recall she generated flame in her hand to demonstrate her power to Claire. --Billywhack 02:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow.  That was a little uncalled for.  You're probably right, Billy, but there's no need to attack the other user.  And, although I know it seems simple, I'd just go with the "Blue for Ice" "Red for Fire" method of determining powers.  207.12.238.59 13:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  Bily, look at the picture before you attack others. It shows Peter's hands glowing. Although his hands do become enflamed later, they aren't in the picutre. Meredith created flame, but her body didn't glow the same way Peters did prior to enflaming. However Ted's power does glow, and can create enough heat to enflame. Don't abuse others because of your own beliefs, it goes against Wikipolicy. Jacobshaven3 17:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. Where's the abuse? The picture clearly shows fire and its opposite number. I'd hate to see how you'r act if there really was abuse. Check out Sylar's page. It's been settled there. Billywhack 23:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sylar powers at the end

message: If information about an episode's production (like locations, music, etc.) doesn't belong here, then where does it belong?  Should there be meta information episode pages that include things like this?  Although this sort of information (locations, source music, set pieces, etc.) is completely useless to the average viewer, it can be extremely useful to industry people.  This is a direct question to the people that remove this sort of information from these pages.  If you don't think it belongs here, then where? 207.47.100.106 23:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: dposse - the WikiProject Heroes (linked from your page) says something about expanding the production notes stuff for the show.  How about reverting some of your deletions (like the club and music) back into a "production notes" section for every episode? I'm not going to spend the time to do it since there are people obviously policing these entries, and it would be a waste of my time (again) to try to put useful industry production information on the pages if the editors are just going to strip it out.  207.47.100.106 23:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:TRIV, WP:N and WP:V. That's why the infomation doesn't belong here. The infomation belongs on a fan-created wiki, like http://heroeswiki.com/Main_Page, not on an encyclopedia. Also, the "expansion of the Production notes" is in reference to Heroes_(TV_series)#Production_notes, which is about the series as a whole. Minor things like what music they used is not notable. dposse 00:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of production trivia / music 

message: I just want to take this time to thank whoever uploaded that kickass picture in the infobox. That's probably the best screenshot that could have been taken for this episode. So, thank you. ^_^ dposse 00:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, kudos to that person! OMG! Sylar kills Claire, DL, Nathan and soooo many others. This was probably the best episode so far! Just putting in my two bits. 121.44.204.229 08:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  whoa. that picture kicks ass. 

message: "Mohinder pushes Future Hiro's katana into his hands" Present Hiros katana is in the same room isn't it? It could have been that one. Blkmasta 16.53 GMT, 2nd May 2007
   
:Can't say for sure, but I seem to remember Parkman taking off with Past Hiro's sword and Mohinder grabbing the recently shot Future Hiro's sword and then handing it to Past Hiro (if your head's swimming about now, you're not alone).  To make a long story short, what's in the article is what I got out of it as well and unless something pretty compelling comes along to prove otherwise, it should probably stay in.  Guse 20:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's one of the Hiro's sword. If you wish to change it to make it more neutral, then go ahead. dposse 01:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't that mean that there are now two katanas?  --Raymm 02:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but technically there were always two katanas, one in the present and another in the future. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, because, if the article is correct, Hiro has Future Hiro's sword, and Future Hiro would have Present day Hiro's sword. Although it would be cool if Hiro could have two swords... Vic93 20:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it Future Hiros sword?

message: I strongly oppose this article for many reasons. 1) all the info on this alternate future relates only to Five Years Gone. 2) There can be multiple alternate futures, due to Hiro's time-traveling. 3) The entire article is bits and pieces copy/pasted from other articles ("Niki has a romantic relationship with Peter Petrelli, who has a distinct scar across his face which starts on the right side of his forehead down to his left cheek.[6]") and as such contains no new information. --Pentasyllabic 17:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created an AFD for the article, since it seems to be a direct copy of this article with some OR added. Also, it violates WP:PLOT. You can find the AFD discussion here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alternate_Future_%28Heroes%29 dposse 19:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The consensus was Delete, and the page was indeed deleted. ZZ 17:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  article [[Alternate Future (Heroes)]] 

message: Slightly forum-ish, but does anyone else find it strange that Linderman wasn't even mentioned in this ep, given that he's such a significant behind-the-scenes character?  --Pentasyllabic 20:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was mentioned, briefly. On the news report, they talked about the passing of the Linderman Act. 129.97.231.131 23:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  where's Linderman? 

message: I believe a list of heroes death's would be interesting. 10 characters are killed before or during this episode. Micah(bomb), D.L.(Sylar), Candice(Sylar), Nathan(Sylar), Ando(Bomb), Hana(Matt), Bennet(Matt), Future Hiro(Matt), Claire(Sylar), Haitian(Mohinder). It would help show that the future is a grim place for evolved humans. User: BioYu-Gi! 4:39 p.m. May 2, 2007
:: As long as it's obvious during the recap, I see no need Ytoabn 00:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Deaths

message: I believe we need a timeline,see discussion under "Timeline" here:  Timeline Discussion --Raymm 02:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" or other opinion in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with "~~~~".
* Support. My vote is for cryo/pyro. Billywhack 22:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: (edit conflict)
This video commentary consists of Jack Coleman, Sendhil Ramamurthy, and Greg Grunberg discussing the episode. The left side of the screen shows the episode, the right side shows the commentators sitting in chairs.
...[Several minutes of dialog. Transcript begins when Sylar drops the "Nathan" illusion.]
*Coleman:This is fantastic!
*Ramamurthy: This is awesome!
*Grunberg: Here we go.
*All: Yeah!
*Coleman: It's just ... every scene, it get better!
*Grunberg: It does get better.
*Coleman: Yeah....Pete?! Wow, that's the first time I've ever heard ... no, no ... I guess Nathan calls him that.
*Grunberg: Now at some point, wouldn't I see Sylar and go, [turns head] "Wait a minute..." Yeah, you know? Certain characters get left behind, sort of, when that story happens.
*[Sylar and Peter "power up"]
*Grunberg: How great is this?
*Coleman: This is great.
*Grunberg: This is un-- wow ... oh!
*Coleman: Ice... fire and ice. Right here. [laughs]
*Ramamurthy: And I had Dennis, the grip, pounding on the other side of the door, and i was trying to keep it shut.
*[Suresh is holding the door closed as the lights flash behind it.]
...[Commentary continues]
The commentary is much longer, but that's the relevant part - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 04:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The point shouldn't be what kinds of powers each emits should be listed, but whether that bit should even be listed as all.  We're dealing with an encyclopedic entry regarding an episode of a television show.  These shouldn't be play-by-play analyses of each episode. Windmillninja 04:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Transcript of commentary

message: After extensive searching I finally found another source. The relevant part is as follows:
:Was there anything that was written in the script that was too grandiose to make it to the screen?
:Nope. Ground Zero. Homeland Security. Nathan Flying. Fire. Ice. Peter stopping time. Even a packed strip club. The whole can of worms were in there… 
Now is this settled? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 04:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Second Source

message: Yes, there are several opportunities for plot holes caused by time travel, etc.; but this one seems rather glaring.  How did Hiro and Ando learn that "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" succeeded?  I thought they were left with the impression that the future was unchangeable after they arrived "too late" at the scene of the homecoming crime. --68.46.120.170 02:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a forum for discussing Heroes. Please find somewhere else to discuss your ideas. dposse 12:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, I'm not trying to start a large discussion or a lengthy thread on temporal mechanics -- as I had hoped to make clear with the first sentence of my previous paragraph.  I was simply wondering if this was a genuine contradiction, or something that I had simply missed in one of the previous episodes.  I was hoping that somebody well-versed in Heroes (the type of person that would seem to be common on Wikipedia) would be able to provide a clarification.  Forgive me if this would require too much effort to answer. --68.46.120.170 04:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is a encyclopedia, not a forum. This talk page is for discussing how to create a better article, nothing more. I suggest that you check out http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/. The people over there are fanatics, and should be able to answer any question you have. dposse 12:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot Hole?

message: Please don't delete this article. I've seen the whole first season & half of the 2nd season & this is my  2nd favourite episode (just behind How to Stop an Exploding Man). Series premiere (remake) (talk) 08:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't delete 

message: SPOILERS...
Sylar is Nathan, using an ability to change his form. 
Claire neatly lists out all the places she has been in S2, S3, and S4. 
Is it possible that this may still happen in like Season 6 (If there is one?)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.141.235 (talk) 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it possible to link events in this episode to S2, S3 and S4. 

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