Talk:Grey hat

message: The section on the defacement of anti-piracy.se seems particularly confusing; I'm assuming it's a bad translation. Perhaps someone who knows about this incident could clean it up. Smably 16:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. If you still find it confusing, feel free to add the Confusing-tag again. I've cleaned it up into a state which I belive  most people should be able to understand. --Ojan 15:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  anti-piracy.se 

message: I changed the link from "anmäller" to "anmäler", since that is the correct spelling, hope you dont mind :) -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.235.156.237 (talk) 23:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: anmäler

message: Attacking corporate businesses with unethical practices could be regarded
 as highly unethical and would normally be considered black hat activity.
 However, to a grey hat, it may not appear bad even though it is against
 that local law. So instead of tagging it black hat, it is a grey hat hack. 
I removed the above line because it was nonspecific about what it deemed to be unethical practices. This made it seem to define entirely black hat activities. I also expounded on some aspects and added an example. -- Kerowren (talk • contribs • &site=en.wikipedia.org count) 18:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundancy

message: the example sounds like a white hat attack.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.150.12 (talk) 21:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  not white hats? 

message: I may be misunderstanding, but based on the information in the "Disambiguation" section, it seems like that part of the opening sentence should read "sometimes acts illegally".Dindon (talk) 20:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed from legally to illegally. Kaljtgg (talk) 00:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sometimes acts legally"? 

message: Given the ridiculous usage of the term 'grey hat' in other wikipedia entries that link to here, I felt it necessary to clean this article up.
I kid you not, in one part of wikipedia someone had mentioned that a gray hat is a hacker who searches the internet, breaking into computers so that he might patch them anonymously for free, thus saving the day.  While I do not doubt that in this great big world there are at least a few insane 'hacker messiahs' who run around the internet secretly healing computers all day long, this is not normal behaviour for security analysts.
What I have done is outline the history of the usage of the term.  Using references of prominent works, I have shown that the term 'grey hat' has had a varied meaning from the start.  If we deconstruct this whole hat debate, we can see that there are two elements to consider:
# that attacking a computer can be malicious or non-malicious
# when finding a vulnerability the hacker can not disclose, disclose to the vendor, or disclose to everyone
Traditionally there was blackhat and whitehat (malicious and non-malicious)
Then we got the Anti-Sec Revolution, and some whitehats began re-thinking their position on full disclosure because it was arming script kiddies for battle.  As a result, if we are talking about 3 kinds of hats then we differentiate them by disclosure.  If it were just white and black then it would be intent...
          	Black Hat	White Hat	Grey Hat
Intent    	Evil     	Good     	Good
Disclosure	No one   	Everyone 	Vendor Only
* From the black hat perspective, the grey hat is still an enemy because they seek to fix vulnerabilities rather than exploit them.
* From the white hat perspective, the grey hat is distrusted because they are not engaging in full disclosure and may break the law sometimes, but they are still an ally because their intent is good.
The Internet Murderer (talk) 14:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the Term 

message: I thought the black-gray-white thing was more like evil-neutral-good. Black acting to harm others, gray acting on their own interests and white to benefit others; with decisions regarding disclosure being done on a case by case basis, or based on personal phylosophy, regardless of one's alignment... --TiagoTiago (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  They always reveal only to vendors? 

message: The history section opens with a reference to a computer security company (of the white hat variety as they solicit permission and payment in advance of vulnerability testing) which chose a contraction of the phrase "grey hat" to name their company Greyhat, LLC. The contraction is not the same as the phrase this article addresses and is not relevant to the history of the phrase "grey hat" in the computer security content of this article. Allowing that this removal creates a substantial hole in the history section, I have documentation supporting an accurate history of the phrase publicly used as early as 1996 and other documented examples in succeeding years. I will replace the deleted material with these fully referenced additions. Absent objection, I will make these changes during the next ten days. Thank you. Sonora Carlos (talk) 18:31, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove company name from history section? 

message: Martin Hellman's page has a link to John Gilmore's transcript of the 1976 meeting between Diffie, Hellman, and three NSA staffers  - starting at about 28m22s in the conversation, Doug Hogan of the NSA uses the terms "Black Hat", "White Hat", and "Grey Hat".
—Hobart (talk) 05:47, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Grey Hat" used in infosec context in 1976 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The title of this Wikipedia page should be "Gray hat (computer security)" because the other Wikipedia's page are called "White hat (computer security)" and "Black hat (computer security)". RobyReal12 (talk) 16:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: White hat and Black hat have meanings other than computer security, hence the disambiguated article titles. Does Gray hat have any meanings/articles other that the article related to computer security? If not, then there is no need to add "(computer security)" to its title. Kiwipete (talk) 15:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The title of this Wikipedia page should be "Gray hat (computer security)"