Talk:Lak (tribe)

message: Izadpanah in the new version of his book says that "Laki is more related to Kurdish than Luri"--70.120.172.189 (talk) 18:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Izadpanah 

message: Co'mon people please do not put info without a citation as somebody did here in this article. I think all info without a citation should be deleted. And Please do not give a student's tehesis as a reference as somebody did it here with Mr. Anonby, Erik John's student thesis. It is not fair.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.182.8.187 (talk) 22:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. Who is Erik John Anonby?--Gomada (talk) 20:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  the student's thesis 

message: Dear users and editors
Due to their voracious appetite to make propaganda about the so-called Great Kurdistan and unfortunately impalpable and pale presence of Lurish users, some Kurdish users recently have began significant sabotages and distorting realities to expand their territory even by fake comments and edits. I hope you being able to study or read the Persian editions of these pages (Laki dialect and Lak people of Iran). My edits only is an effort to prevent their counterfeit actions. During my edits I have pointed out to valid and authentic references.--Shadegan (talk) 13:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here is Encyclopedia  

message: Hello, please look at this and this edits of user:Shadegan. It's important to look at sources. For example, the user:Shadegan added , Erik John Anonby as a so-called source which supports Laki belongs to Luri language. But if you read pages 19 and 20, you can see a comparison of Pish-e Kuh Laki with Kurdish and Luri. After that the author says: Pish-e Kuh Laki is aligned with Kurdish rather than Luri. This is distortion of information. User:Shadegan is also adding some persian sources which can not be checked/proved. Thanks.--Gomada (talk) 14:07, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Another falsifying from User:Shadegan. The source says:Fayli (Faylee, Faili, or Feli) Kurds are, as their name tells, an inseparable segment of the Kurdish population in Iraq and an integral part of the Kurdish nation, which is divided among many countries in the Middle East, mainly Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey. Fayli Kurds have themselves shown, over the years, and still show this fact and reality by words and deeds. They speak a dialect that belongs to the southern Kurdish dialect called Luri which is spoken in the southern areas of Kurdistan proper, particularly on both sides of the border areas between Iraq and Iran. And the user:Shadegan is using this source as a proof of so called Lur identity. Who will stop this vandalism?--Gomada (talk) 11:41, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV-push and reliability of sources 

message: As it was asked by English Wikipedia administrators, I provided some authentic and valid references for Lurish Identity of Feyli Lurs in two edited pages. As you can see in the history of these pages the user User:Gomada has changed and removed these logical and authentic edits. As an old user of Wikipedia I think some users have imagined and counted this invaluable and useful encyclopedia as a farce and mischief area to distort the realities and promote their ethnocentric and ambitious aims. I hope Wikipedia adminstrators and other realistic users help to stop and prevent such inappropriate vandalism efforts.--Shadegan (talk) 13:50, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV-push and Large-scale vandalism effort by user: [[User:Gomada|Gomada]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved per consensus and argument by nominator   Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 12:49, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Laks (Iran) →  – Most Kurdish tribes titles on Wikipedia are in singular and its a bit misleading to have country mentioned when there are also Lak tribal members in both Turkey and Iraq, as mentioned in the article. Laki could also have been a possibility but I went with the name Iranica uses. Semsûrî (talk) 07:59, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 17 August 2020 

message: For the record. The Iranica entry cites a plethora of sources and arguments that have mentioned the Laks in one way or another. The entry itself, interestingly, clearly refrains from calling them a Kurdish tribe.
Yet, in spite of all this, the entry has been used as a reference to support the statement that they are full-blown Kurds. - LouisAragon (talk) 13:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The author of the piece M. Reza Hamzehʼee does use the term Laki Kurds in another work of his so I guess he refrains from doing so in the Iranica piece for whatever reason. But I agree that the reference is perhaps not the best in this context. --Semsûrî (talk) 14:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your response. I have removed it from the lede per failed WP:VER. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Iranica'' refrains from calling them a Kurdish tribe 

message: Please add back the Jalalvand Tribe. They are a very large tribe with 92 villages in Jalalvand region of Kermanshah. There is an entire region called Jalalvand in Kermanshah district. Also, the Jalilvand tribe and Jalalvand tribe are distinct tribes. So when adding Jalalvand back to the list (as it used to be on the list), please do not remove Jalilvand from the list. DinavarKermanshah (talk) 05:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Jalalvand is already on the list as Jalilvand, I've changed the name. --Semsûrî (talk) 11:27, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2021 

message: These tribes are not of Laki origin, neither do they identify as Laks. Fouladvands are Bakhtiaris, Papi and Baharvand are Lor-e Koochak, yet somehow this wiki page decides to label them as Laki Kurds.
Interestingly, the source provided to claim these tribes as Lak is a broken link. As a Lor myself, I am perfectly happy to call Laks Kurds and accept that Laks are not Lurs. There is however a limit; Laks do not have the right to claim Luri tribes as Kurdi. 
For the time being, I cannot find any sources from Papis and Baharvands themselves (although Iranica is very clear that both are Lor-e Koochak, and this isn't some sort of secret either), however the Fouladvands have written their own book about their history.
http://yaftenews.ir/introduction/book-introduction/7786-fooladvand.html
Here it is. Rectify this at once.
:I assume they are mentioned in the Shahokhabar reference (now archived) as Laki. It would be easier if you had reliable references to counter this. "For the time being, I cannot find any sources from Papis and Baharvands themselves" is not good enough. Also read how Wikipedia works (i.e. RS) instead of going on a racist rant. --Semsûrî (talk) 01:26, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fouladvand, Baharvand and Pap tribes 

message: The account "HistoryOfIran" must be barred from this page. Over the past decade, HistoryOfIran has contributed nothing constructive, only adding inaccurate and inconsistent information from weak sources. Sources that sometimes do not even support the idea or statistics that HistoryOfIran is claiming. HistoryOfIran has no knowledge or familiarity related to this article, HistoryOfIran's only reason for being here is to promote a supremest Persian narrative that feels threatened by non-Persian particularly Kurdish influences in Iranian history. Beyond this particular article, among articles like this, HistoryOfIran's efforts are consistently aimed in one direction and that is to minimize Kurdish influence in Iranian history and society as much as possible. In this particular article, HistoryOfIran has no subject matter knowledge related to this article, their presence here is merely a nuisance and a source of inaccuracies. Lakestan (talk) 19:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't edited this article since August 2023, and I don't think we have communicated in years - am I that rent free in your head? If you think I am disruptive, report me to WP:ANI. Next time you throw WP:ASPERSIONS at me, I'll take you there myself. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove HistoryOfIran from this article