Talk:Gibraltarians

message: Should the article say that Llanitos are an ethnic group a cultural group or a nation? I'm not sure we can find citations for any of them, but if we can, that would be a good start. I don't like "ethnic group" because ethnicity means race. It would mean that the link between Gibraltarians was a genetic one, when in fact Gibraltarians are a mix of Maltese, Genoese etc. The term would also exclude Jewish Gibraltarians, Indian Gibraltarians etc. from being considered Gibraltarain people. More appropriate would be "cultural group" as what links us is our culture, language, community etc. Nation also works, but a citation for it would be good. Opinions? Saluton (talk) 18:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with what you say about "ethnic group" not being suitable here. I would say "nation" as "cultural group" seems to be used more to describe people with very similar cultures, from different geographical locations (eg. Latin Europeans). --Gibmetal 77talk 23:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Gibraltarians are simply defined by living in Gibraltar, they are not a group defined in any other way. I have changed the introduction to say "a term used to refer to the inhabitants of Gibraltar". Pol098 (talk) 15:31, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

text: There are NO DISCUSSIONS between Britain and Spain about the future of Gibraltar possible according to unambiguous statements by HMG. --Gibnews (talk) 19:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Gibnews, I just copypasted the abstract of the book referenced. Those words are not mine, but literally taken from the provided webpage. If you do not agree, you can yell at Gibmetal (as he posted the source) or at the author of the book cited, namely, Peter Gold, also a fellow Gibraltarian, guess. Take it easy. Cremallera (talk) 19:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnic group, cultural group or nation?

message: Unlike most other places, Gibraltar enjoys a very varied ethnic and religious demography. Indeed we have a Christian Chief Minister, an atheist Leader of the Opposition, a Hindu speaker and a Jewish mayor. All of whom are native Gibraltarians. RedCoat10 (talk) 11:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait. The Chief Minister and the Mayor are not the same thing in Gibraltar?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.129.39.103 (talk) 09:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they're not the same thing. RedCoat10 • talk 10:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native Gibraltarians 

message: Isn't there any figure on such people? Are the Gibraltarians listed in the census only those with actual residence in Gibraltar? --Ecemaml (talk) 16:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll remove that mention as no sources are provided. It's a fact that lots of Gibraltarians has a second residence in neighbourhood cities but I haven't found any data on Gibraltarians with only residence in Spain. --Ecemaml (talk) 23:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gibraltarians living in Spain 

message: I have removed the "nation" statement because it is a complete misuse of the source provided and is not appropriate at this article anyway.  The correct way to phrase it would be "which Peter Gold argues can be considered to be a nation".  It is certainly not accepted fact that Gibraltar is a nation.  And besides, this article is about the Gibraltarian people rather than Gibraltar.  Note the abstract of the source says "it is possible to define Gibraltar as a 'nation'" whereas this article claimed "the Gibraltarians ... are a Southern European nation" which is a misrepresentation. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 18:55, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, but I wouldn't necessarily agree that the case for Gibraltarians being a 'nation' is a particularly weak one. Using the "which Peter Gold argues..." structure should, however, avoid this problem because we wouldn't be making an assertion either way. RedCoat10 (talk) 19:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gibraltarians are a nation 

message: I do not think that among the ethnic groups of which gibraltarian people descend 26% were Spaniards, I think the percentage is less, I think 10% of the ancestors of the people of Gibraltar weres spaniard, and the rest were British, Italian, Maltese, Portuguese .. etc  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.29.113.144 (talk) 23:17, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:OR - M0rphzone (talk) 18:10, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reference? --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 19:47, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic descent 

message: I added section on major family names of Gibraltar by origin (Italian, Maltese, Portuguese etc...) Since Gib has a small population I thought this would be feasible and interesting. I'm missing quite a few so any help would be appreciated. I still haven's started the Sephardic Jewish section or the Portuguese.Asilah1981 (talk) 16:58, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Surnames

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message: Have these not been forbidden in Wikipedia? I thought of deleting right now but maybe for such a small population an exception can be made?Asilah1981 (talk) 19:40, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer to keep it and you know I created it.  For a small population it makes sense. WCMemail 10:56, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. I have to say, I kind of agree on this one. I didn't know you created it. Asilah1981 (talk) 11:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnic galleries

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message: The only source for the figure for the Gibraltarian population in Gibraltar is dead with no archive or reupload, in addition to it being from over 13 years ago, and the source for the UK, US, Spain, and Other population figures measures nationality, not ethnicity, meaning its of dubious relevance to an article about an ethnic group. In addition, the figures listed for Gibraltarian populations in Morocco, Spain, and Portugal need clarification as to whether their respective figures include occupied Western Sahara, Ceuta, Melilla, and Olivenza. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 04:27, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: After reading the references again, it turns out there is a page listed as an archive of the "Abstract of Statistics 2008" PDF, but it is not an archive of the PDF itself, nor its contents. Rather, it is an archive of a page that states the population of Gibraltar as of the page's creation, which appears to have been 28,605. In addition, the page dates to February 8th, 2006 at the earliest according to the Wayback Machine, and likely to sometime in 2005 judging by the copyright date, which is three years earlier than 2008. There are no verifiable sources for that "at least 23,757" figure. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 04:53, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick correction, turns out the source for the UK, US, Spain, and Other population figures doesn't measure how many Gibraltarian nationals are living in any given country, but rather how many people born in Gibraltar are living in any given country. Still not measuring how many ethnicity though. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 09:04, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

text: I have found the page you were looking for. The source refers the Gibraltarians as a nationality, at least compared to UK British people. 2x2leax (talk) 01:03, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. I took a look at it and it seems to be referring to nationality judging by the use of "UK British". Sometimes the word "nationality" is used in place of ethnicity, though I don't think that's the case here, but it's quite hard to tell. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 00:30, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with "Regions with significant populations" section