Talk:Dutch East India Company

message: "It is believed to be the largest company to ever have existed in recorded history.[9][10]" in the intro is unclear. It is "largest" in what way? Annual revenue? Assets? Annual revenue as a percentage of world GDP? Besides saying something more specific than just "largest", it should also say what size was, I mean a number, e.g. An annual revenue of X constant dollars. Arctic Gazelle (talk) 22:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest company in what way? And how large exactly? 

message: "During the Dutch Golden Age, the Dutch – using their expertise in doing business, cartography, shipbuilding, seafaring and navigation – traveled to the far corners of the world, leaving their language embedded in the names of many places. Dutch exploratory voyages revealed largely unknown landmasses to the civilised world and put their names on the world map. During the Golden Age of Dutch exploration (c. 1590s–1720s) and the Golden Age of Netherlandish cartography (c. 1570s–1670s), Dutch-speaking navigators, explorers, and cartographers were the undisputed firsts to chart/map many hitherto largely unknown regions of the earth and the sky."
Is this an appropriate phrasing? Particularly "revealed largely unknown landmasses to the civilized world" strikes me as unacceptable. Suggested alternatives? Pfirestone (talk) 19:36, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arts and Culture: As information and knowledge exchange network 

message: I might have found a citation for the destruction fo the local economy from here: https://www.indonesia-investments.com/culture/politics/precolonial-history/item123
This states that competition drove local prices up while an increase in supply drove them down in Europe, with the monopolization and direct annexation of the spice islands it could be reasonable to assume that the local economy would be destroyed as far as international trade was concerned, at least for the locals. 118.193.95.68 (talk) 03:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why tag in formative years 

message: The summary at the top hardly mentions the fact that the VOC was responsible for many massacres, slavery, etc. In the interest of historical context, that should probably be expanded on. Like the paragraphs make it seem like it happened to be a particularly successful company that may have done some unsavory things. But my understanding is that, in reality, those unsavory things made it as profitable as it is. 184.17.241.228 (talk) 19:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The title of this topic is not very informative but the comment has value. The intro is rather long now and focusses almost entirely on the business organization part. The atrocities are linked to the exceptional charter mentioned near the end of the first paragraph of the lead "The company possessed quasi-governmental powers, including the ability to wage war, imprison and execute convicts,[7] negotiate treaties, strike its own coins, and establish colonies.[8]". But that is only a very short comment (especially given the long introduction). To balance it all, I think reducing the company organisation and say more about the powers and the bad things done by their abuse makes sense. Perhaps reorganise the entire lead starting with a short section (1) What was the VOC (2) What was its business model / organisation (3) What where its special powers and how did these contribute to profit and horrible action (4) Demise and end of the VOC. Arnoutf (talk) 10:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burying the lead 

message: The British East India Company predates the Dutch East India Company by 2 years. The Muscovy Company predates both by 45 years. The Chinese created the first joint stock companies in the 1200s. 113.41.178.130 (talk) 07:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "first joint-stock company in the world"