Talk:SPECTRE

message: Shouldn't this article be moved from "S.P.E.C.T.R.E." to "SPECTRE"? Most references to the organisation on this page do not use the full stops, and even the official site, MMPR (and on Blofeld 2 page), uses "SPECTRE". Additionally, I've never seen it before with the full stops, and it's sort of a long abbreviation (usually they appear without them). Further, it's "SPecial", so really, shouldn't it be "Sp.E.C.T.R.E" or something if it's to have the full stops? I could be wrong, but it seems there's overwhelming evidence to suggest "SPECTRE" over "S.P.E.C.T.R.E." Bond, James Bond 01:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'P' is debatable. I think it's only capitalised to make it stand out (in addition to being bolded). The article title should probably be SPECTRE. I believe that's how Fleming, for the most part, used it. K1Bond007 05:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: In the first paragraph, this:
"Its first appearance was in Ian Fleming's James Bond novel, Thunderball, and subsequently in a number of James Bond films including the very first Bond film, Dr. No, where it has been the spy's most persistent opponent."
WTF mate? First appearance in thunderball, subsequently in the *first* film. huh? Am I the only one confused by this?
-- Graham
:Dr. No is a S.P.E.C.T.R.E. agent in the film.
:-- VD for VANDitta
::I think the point was that the use of the words "first appearance" and "subsequntly...the...first" are contradictory. It is a little confusing, but I think what is meant is that SPECTRE first appeared in the novel, which came before all the movies. Subsequently, SPECTRE appeared in the first movie.
:: 202.6.138.33 04:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF? 

message: H.A.R.M may jokingly refer to Human Aetiological Relations Machine, the name of a fictional intelligence agency featured in the B James Bond backwash film Agent From H.A.R.M. 
:What is a "backwash film"? Nothing good, I assume. Is  this a standard term? Lowerarchy 18:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Backwash?

message: Can the Consortium from the act of war games be considered a spectre clone —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.126.66.189 (talk) 14:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Consortium by MR UNSEEN 

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message: Although it's well documented that Spy Who Loved Me was originally to have been a Blofeld/SPECTRE film until McClory squawked, I haven't been able to find any indication that he fought SPECTRE and Blofeld's use in OHMSS, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds Are Forever (or, for that matter, Dr. No and From Russia with Love, both of which were made after the Thunderball court case). Does anyone know if McClory tried to block SPECTRE appearing in any of these films as he successfully did with Spy Who Loved Me? 23skidoo (talk) 19:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Any issues with McClory regarding post-Thunderball films?

message: Did number in the movie really reflect rank?  In FRWL, Kronsteen (No. 5) critized Klebb (No. 3).  If number was rank, wouldn't Kronsteen have been afraid of insulting his superior?  Also, in You Only Live Twice, Osato (no number) is shown giving orders to No. 11.  Maybe only numbers 1 and 2 had any significance and all others meant nother.  Besides, it seems kind of strange to have a cabinet of about 20 people and everyone, except the bottom guy, is above someone.  It makes more sense to have several equals and then a top two.  Emperor001 (talk) 02:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Number

message: Most of SPECTRE's members come from the Soviet Union.  Of course James Bond films would harp on the Cold War.  The very first line of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto reads, "A spectre is haunting Europe - the spectre of Communism".  I was wondering if this might have influence Ian Flemming and his name for SPECTRE.  What do you think?
:For some reason, Fleming liked the word spectre as he used it in Diamonds Are Forever (name of a town:  Spectreville), From Russian with Love (Spektor decoding machine), and then as SPECTRE.  He also had an apparent love of gold:  Mr. Big was a gold smuggler, Goldfinger, and The Man with the Golden Gun.  Emperor001 (talk) 04:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And he wrote the Bond novels on a gold-plated typewriter Opera hat (talk) 11:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Is the SPECTRE octopus logo canon? Because it strikes me that the octopus is the supposed symbol of the (imaginary) "World Jewish Conspiracy" (for example, here https://fitzinfo.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/zionist-controlled-climate-debate.jpg). If Fleming was an Old Tory, he was probably an anti-Semite, too, in that peculiarly old-fashioned English way: not a rabid Jew-hater, just someone who would blackball Jews from his club. Nuttyskin (talk) 20:43, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of the Name "SPECTRE"

message: Since when is Mr. Osato Number 8?  No one called him that in the movie.  Emperor001 (talk) 02:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Osato

message: The article presently asserts that one of the goals of SPECTRE is "world domination". I can't think of a single example when this is the organisation's aim; as far as I can remember the idea is simply to make money.
In the novels, Thunderball introduces SPECTRE as effectively a freelance equivalent of the Ops department of a national espionage organisation, which hires its services out to different countries for payment - it carries out a contract assassination for the French secret service, for example - as well as being a straightforward criminal enterprise which makes money through blackmail and kidnapping. The main plot of Thunderball involves the extortion of money from NATO by threatening to detonate stolen nuclear warheads. The organisation is largely destroyed by the end of the novel, but in The Spy who Loved Me it is back attempting to carry out the murder of a Russian defector on behalf of the Soviet Union. In On Her Majesty's Secret Service Bond initially assumes SPECTRE to be entirely defunct, but Blofeld appears running a SPECTRE-like organisation devoted to destroying the British agriculture, again on behalf of the USSR. Blofeld appears again in You Only Live Twice, but in retirement - his maintenance of a "Garden of Death" where people come to commit suicide seems to be more a hobby than anything else.
Dr No is a SPECTRE agent in the film of Dr No, though not the novel. I haven't seen this for ages so can't remember his motivation, but if it's anything like the book then he is sabotaging American missile tests on behalf of the USSR. The film of From Russia with Love has SPECTRE using the British Secret Service to steal a Soviet decoder, which Blofeld then intends to sell back to Russia. The films of Thunderball and On Her Majesty's Secret Service are pretty much straight adaptations of the novels, except that in the latter Blofeld is planning to unleash biological warfare on the world, not just Britain. In You Only Live Twice, Blofeld intervenes in the space race to provoke a nuclear war between the USA and the USSR, being paid for it by an unnamed third power - implied to be Red China. In Diamonds Are Forever, SPECTRE is never mentioned, but Blofeld has hijacked a government contractor's satellite industry and has adapted its capability to destroy nuclear weapons installations (among other things): he then delivers his ultimatum to the world that nuclear supremacy will go to the highest bidder - again, money is the motive here.
In none of the above appearances is SPECTRE aiming for world domination - the most common motivation is simply extortion, though sometimes on a huge (and absurdly elaborate) scale. Opera hat (talk) 16:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually there are two allusions to world domination in the films.  In From Russia with Love, Blofeld's analogy was that SPECTRE would pit the two great powers off against each other and then take over both once one defeated the other.  This analogy hit the extreme in You Only Live Twice when Blofeld said, "Once Russia and the United States have annihilated each other, we will see a new power."  Emperor001 (talk) 14:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In "You Only Live Twice," he was clearly being hired by another foreign power (almost certainly China), so it's more likely that "a new power" refered to them.  Can't speak for From Russia With Love.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.24.95 (talk) 02:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  World domination? 

message: I've asked for a citation on the statement that SPECTRE was made up of ex members of "the Gestapo, SMERSH, Marshal Tito's secret police, the highland Turks, the Mafia, and the Unione Corse." Fleming's 
original note mentions SMERSH, Gestapo, Mafia and Black Tong; the others looked unfamiliar, but I no longer have a copy of Thunderball to refer to. Can someone who has a copy please reference it? Thanks. --Stephen Burnett (talk) 14:11, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is it stated that Dr. NO is #4.  I have not seen that in any media.  Emperor001 (talk) 21:38, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composition of SPECTRE 

message: Where are people getting the numbers for several characters in the hierarchy table?  In all of the films I have seen, the only characters wth numbers are Blofeld (1), Largo (2), Kleb (3), Kronsteen (5), Bouvar (6), Brandt (11), and then the non-Eon Blush (12).  If no official source exists for a characters number, book or film, then they must not be in the hierarchy table and may only be listed as members.  Emperor001 (talk) 21:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Hierarchy

message: Because someone keeps adding un-sourced, inaccurate material to the hierarchy table I am going to request protection for this article.  Emperor001 (talk) 03:40, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: All the evil organizations in "Chuck" seem to be inspired by SPECTRE. The Ring, FULCRUM, Volkoff Industries. Bizzybody (talk) 11:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chuck 

message: There is a matter that has confused me for some time now, how many members of SPECTRE are there exactly. I am disregarding the movies in this instance and am instead referring to the novel Thunderball. In the novel, Fleming states that the members of SPECTRE are numbered from 1 to 21. This would indicate that there are 21 members. He also states that the members consist of 3 Russians, 3 Turks, 3 Germans, 3 Frenchmen, 3 Italians, 3 Yugoslavs, 2 scientists and Blofeld. Again this would give us 21 members. once more Blofeld himself states that each member of SPECTRE receives 4% of all profits earned, with the exception of himself who receives 10% and another 10% goes towards the overhead costs of the organization. The mathematics that follows this is further evidence to suggest that there are indeed 21 members. 
The controversy however arises when we consider No.1 (Emilio Largo) who at the time of the SPECTRE meeting in Paris is absent. Despite this Fleming clearly states "the 20 men who made up this organization strode, lounged or sidled each according to his character into the workman like boardroom.......... Their chairman was already in his seat." This would indicate that despite Largo being in the Bahamas at the time there are still 21 members present at the meeting and so there are 22 members of SPECTRE as a whole. Again Fleming comments "[Blofeld] gazed slowly around the faces of his 20 men"
After the death of No.12 (Pierre Borraud) at the hands of Blofeld, it is stated that no replacement for him will be found till 'Plan Omega' is complete. And so SPECTRE is 1 man down during the events that follow.
Later in the book it is stated that 19 'shareholders' of Emilio Largo's treasure hunt arrive in the Bahamas, leaving No.2 (Blofeld) behind in Paris. This Math suggests 22 members of SPECTRE originally existed and now after the death of No.12 only 21 exist.
Again during the 'conspiracy in hell' No.10 (Strelik) states that 15 members including Largo will be in the swimming party whilst 5 members remain on the Disco Volante this means 20 members of SPECTRE are in the Bahamas, 1 is in Paris and 1 has been killed. a total of 22. 
My question is this, have i missed some information from the novel? or did Fleming simply make a mathematical error? where does Largo fit into the organization? is he a member of the Sicilian section? or an independent member like Blofeld?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SEA-VAC (talk • contribs) 14:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of members 

message: The Charles Stross novel "The Jennifer Morgue" reboots/spins the acronym as "Professional and Ethical Society of Technological Capital Reinvested by Experts" (PESTCRE), which in French is "Societe Professionelle et Ethique du Capital Technologique Reinvesti par les Experts"...or SPECTRE for short. See here for details Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 01:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  PESTCRE 

message: The film artwork very prominently uses 7, not 8 (and no visible eyes either). Is there any source for an octopus as a logo for SPECTRE that uses 8? Andy Dingley (talk) 19:21, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many arms on a Spectropus? 

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message: Are these official proper terms or are they supposed to be in lowercase?--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:51, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
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message: What about x-nauts from paper Mario the thousand years door I mean these group look like they belong in the parodies and clones section of Spectre BlaCkyKrockblitz (talk) 09:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Cite a reliable secondary source talking about it and it can be included. DonQuixote (talk) 12:54, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  X-nauts