Talk:Samus Aran/Archive 1

message: Out of curiousity, does anyone know what the source for the biography information is?
:I wonder too. Folks, please provide sources so we know this isn't someone's fan fiction. I'm going to remove the current biography in a few days (most of it, anyway) if no source can be provided. Fredrik (talk) 00:09, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. Could you please add a references section with a list of these works? Fredrik | talk 06:30, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: I know that certain Pirate logs involving the capture of Metroid Prime were removed because they didn't make sense with how you actually find Metroid Prime, so it's likely that the Chozo entries were removed because they were inconsistent with other sources of Samus lore. I think the info gathered from the first North American version of Metroid Prime should be separated from the rest of the biography, with a note explaining its possible inconsistency. --Poiuyt Man talk 01:11, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with the NTSC Metroid Prime is that it says that the Pirates augmented Metroid Prime, however, they couldn't have gotten into the crater unless YOU unlocked it. That's why Ridley tried to kill Samus. So it is a paradox....--Zxcvbnm 16:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  biography 

message: I thought is was Sah-muhs Air-en. I heard that's how it was pronounced in the intro that was included in the PAL version of Metroid Prime. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 01:04, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
:The pronunciation according to the PAL version of Super Smash Brothers for the N64 and the PAL version of Super Smash Brothers Melee for the Gamecube is SAH-mus.  Emphasis on the first syllable with the 'a' pronounced like in father; the 'u' pronounced like in tube.  Her last name is still under discussion, but I assume the vowels are pronounced the same as her first with emphasis on the second syllable, Ah-RAHN. --ThatNateGuy 00:17, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The narrator in PAL version of Metroid Prime pronounces the full name as sa-mus @-r@n (in SAMPA) in the end of the game... Though I have heard the eI-r@n pronouncation somewhere as well (maybe it really was that way in the MP intro, as said before; can't check right now)... Though, I don't really care, basically, I think it's pronounced exactly as people would pronounce it. =) --Wwwwolf 17:14, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: In japanese "Mission Zero" Samus writes her name in intro as サムス・アラン. Since katakana is phonetic it is easy to see how it is correctly pronounced. If anyone want to convert it to IPA - go ahead. --Rowaa[SR13] 21:16, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation? 

message: Perhaps we shouldn't take the 90kg figure at face value. That guide was published a while ago, and probably was figuring in the suit as part of the weight. Perhaps using picture attained from endings and the definite height figure of 1.9m to estimate using the standard BMI scale by estimating about where she'd be on the scale from 15-40, and using the mathematical operation as indicated in the article to come about the weight, especially since Nintendo hasn't released anything (to my knowledge) that goes one way or another as to whether that figure factors in the suit. (Note: The current figures, assuming we're saying the suit isn't counted in the 90kg, is 24.9, which doesn't seem horribly bad.)
Digital Watches 23:50, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the size issue: 

message: Recently the entire collection of Chozo lore from Metroid Prime has been added to the article, and portions of it existed in this article before. I believe this may not fall under fair use, due to the amount being copied word-for-word from the game. For now, I've removed the section, and instead linked to a Chozo Lore FAQ in the References section. --Poiuyt Man talk 13:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chozo Lore 

message: From the article:
:In the struggle she lost her Power Suit and was forced to fight her way to her old home in Chozodia. There, Samus was tested by an ancient Chozo shrine, and given her new suit with the recognizable shoulder pads. She then defeated the auxiliary Pirate leader and escaped the Pirates' Mothership.
The Varia suit is the one with the shoulder pads, and is her most commonly viewed suit. But as shown in Metroid Prime, Super Metriod, and probably the rest of the series, the Power Suit does not have the giant ball shoulder pads.
Whenever Samus upgrades to the Varia suit, that is when she gets her shoulder pads. Check out Metriod Prime, shoulder pads in the beginning, but later on in the game when the Varia suit gets disabled, she looses the shoulder pads and gets her "old style" suit.
Perhaps in like some comic or whatever that is the story, but in all the comics and stuff I see on Metroid... samus never looses her suit (though Ridley defeats samus at one point... i think...)
:It seems that you haven't played Metroid: Zero Mission, because that part of the article is from the game. So...
:SPOILER WARNING
:In Zero Mission, it is made apparent that the suit Samus starts with is not the same as the one in the other games. It does not gain shoulder pads when it is upgraded to Varia, and it is incompatible with the three "unknown items" in the game (Space Jump, Plasma Beam, and Gravity Suit). Once Samus defeats Mother Brain and flies off the planet, her ship is shot down by Space Pirates, and her suit is destroyed. She then travels through an ancient Chozo city to obtain the more powerful suit seen in the other games. This suit has the shoulder pads, and is able to use the unknown items. The differences between the two suits in Zero Mission can be seen at :Image:Samus Aran Sprites.gif. --Poiuyt Man talk 06:48, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samus lost her suit?? 

message: Should we put explanations for each section, like in Darth Vader, or links in the titles? igordebraga ≠ 16:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Biography

message: Just by chance as I was looking throught the few screens of the Metroid: Hunters demo for DS, I noticed the top screen of the options page had some very small text. After a while, with a couple eye blisters, I made out that the top screen says: "Samus: The Chosen One. A child born of the race of peoples known as Hunters." now whether this is a metaphor or not, it's somewhat interesting none the less. The next screen was more difficult and I only got certain words, "(Shoulder?) ______: _______ primarily to help carry the l___ of the Hunter's ___." And finally the last screen has 2 sections but only one is ledgible, stating: "The eyes; arguably the most important tool for a hunter. Used for spotting enemies in the most (harshest?) of (terrain?)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.58.239 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 2005 November 30
:Those letters are between 3-5 pixels high, and 1-3 in width.So it's mostly how you interpret them. For the top text box the only ones I can make out are: Samus, the Chozen one.A child.....of......of.....peoples known...Hunters. So your guess is reasonable, I suppose.
:Middle one:..........Primarily To help Carry The L--- ... of The Hunters....
:And the bottom one seems to say exactly what you reported.
:Very interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.18.170 (talk • contribs)  17 December 2005
::I have a good eye for detail, so I decided to have a look. Here's what I came up with:
::Top: "Samus: The Chosen One. A Child Born of The Race of Peoples[(?)] known as Hunters."
::Middle: "Shoulder Guards: Designed primarily To help Carry The Load[(?)] of The Hunter's Gun."
::Bottom left( the blurry, mostly illegible section): "_____ Metroid Prime _______ ____ _____ ______ __ll__ __ __ ___ ___ _____ _ __ ___'_ ______ this To ___e _____." That's all I can make out for sure... I do have guesses at additional parts, though: "_____ Metroid Prime players ____ _____ ______ __ll__ __ __ All day(/big) _____ & he can't(/don't) Expect this To make sense."
::Bottom right: "The Eye: arguably The most important Tool for a Hunter. Used for spotting Enemies in The most _ _ _ _ _ _ _ of Terrains." The missing word is 7 letters, it can't be "harshest". -- WikidSmaht (talk) 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something Interesting 

message: Can someone provide a source for Samus' age being 26?  --Sparky Lurkdragon 04:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age? 

message: Does'nt Samus seem to look a lot like Winry from Full Metal Alchemist? The Republican 00:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FMA

message: It may sound a bit callous, but does anyone else think it's time to start submitting some IPs to be banned? This revert war is getting a bit excessive --Digital Watches 01:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the Vandalism 

message: This suggestion can be discarded, because it's more of a "stylish" change, but I think that the chapter "Name Pronounciation" could fit better above "Challenge of gender roles", perhapse even above "Equipment", although it fits better below Equipment, because it is both part of the description of Samus and a point of discussion, which makes a bridge between her stats and the "controversy".
--GaryCXJk 12:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor suggestion of content order 

message: (This is in reference to a reversion I made of speculation by an anonymous user that Samus would transform between suited and survival gear forms.) We cannot say that Samus will be a transforming character in SSB:B, since the language used in the declaration is at best equivocal, and more likely indicates to the contrary. "Under certain conditions," for example, would definitely suggest that this form or mode had to be unlocked by fulfilling a set of conditions. "Remove" is the only term that suggests it might be a transformation, and this is more likely just a colourful way of announcing her entry. For instance, in SSBM every character had a different unlocking message. Dr. Mario's was some bad pun about the "Doctor is in the house", why couldn't Survival Suit Samus's be "That's a woman under there!?!" in reference to the gender confusion issue in the original Metroid? --Tjstrf 06:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation on SSBB = bad. 

message: Moved this from the Dark Samus article:
:Image:Dark Samus.JPG
Nobody, except for Metroid Prime 3: Corruption developers, etc. knows for sure if this is Dark Samus from Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, or Samus in Hyper Mode, since planetgamecube.com typed the exact words "Samus seeks to stop the spread of Phazon and eliminate its presence from the infected planets, even while she herself has been infected with Phazon and becomes increasingly affected by it as the game progresses. Her Phazon infection ties in with the gameplay, as she can now use its energy to enter “Hyper Mode” in either biped or Morph Ball form. While this power is in effect, her attacks are much more potent, but her health is in danger, and she could die if the ability is overused."
If we are unsure of the proper character being displayed, than this picture being present in an article is not appropriate. This comment also requires a citation. I'd recomend a merge of the text into this article, however. -ZeroTalk 12:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that it could be Samus in Hyper Mode is just speculation, therefore it doesn't belong in either Dark Samus or Samus until we learn exactly who the picture is. WP:NOT crystal ball.--Zxcvbnm 22:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. That's why I brought it to the talkpage. We'll stand by and wait furthur confirmation.-ZeroTalk 00:36, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious Image removal by [[User:Megaman Zero|User:Zero]] 

message: It's Grammar Nazi time... When you want to indicate posession by a singular noun that normally ends in 's', you still add an apostrophe and an 's'. You only omit the 's' for plurals. See Saxon genitive and look at the chart.
Correct: Samus's arm cannon is really cool.
Incorrect: Samus' arm cannon is really cool.
Ommitting the additional 's' is only for plurals:
Correct: Have you seen all of the bounty hunters' weapons?
I went ahead and fixed this throughout the article.
--olanmills 12:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possesive 's 

message: Samus has (or had) a pet named Ponchi? What is it? What's the source? This is one thing I don't know about Metroid. :P --Gaming King 10:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm assuming it's from the manga.  I've never read it, though, so I've put a  tag on it. --Sparky Lurkdragon 19:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It IS from the manga, they have an entire "childhood" part which shows that. So you can reference it there.--Zxcvbnm 19:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *fanboy instinct kicks in* ...Where might I view this... Manga? --Gaming King 09:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Uhh....yeah....the first e-manga....there's a link somewhere on Wikipedia....--Zxcvbnm 14:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, thanks for the tip-off. :P --Gaming King 08:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ponchi 

message: What is up with that paragraph? Besides having a very "essay-like" title, it comes dangerously close to original research. Unless someone adds sources soon, I'm going to rewrite it completely. Phils 10:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Don't rewrite it. Remove it completely. That kind of nonsense is left up to the reader's whim. We're an encyclopedia. We detail facts with sources and basis of said fact. -ZeroTalk 13:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Challenge of gender roles" paragraph 

message: I added a weasel words tag to that paragraph as it seem riddled with them.  It basically makes it sound as if all video game females were major sluts before the great Samus came along and freed them all from this stereotype despite the fact that nearly every version of Samus has had some sort of scantily clad form. Not to mention it accuses other 199.126.137.209 19:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Samus as a female heroine

message: I took the liberty of removing this section. It has no references for things like .any feminists, however, found Croft’s extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. or Samus' defiance of this stereotype is part of what makes her such a highly regarded character. These need to be fixed before this can be put back, but I don't know if they can be.--Zxcvbnm 23:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section removed 

message: When was it ever said she served under Adam Malkovich before the events of Metroid?  There is no source for this.  (124.121.93.4 11:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This was referenced in Metroid Fusion; Samus named her new computer CO Adam because he reminded her of Adam Malkovich. Later it was revealed that the computer was Malkovich; his mind had been digitized and uploaded. --Herald Alberich 15:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Life 

message: I thought that Samus was a Bishōnen MALE character (this still doesn't discount the cheesecake stills either). It is a common theme in Anime to have an effete and effeminate, but highly skilled and deadly, warrior appear and act like that. It kind of junks the whole Samus-as-female concept and kind of ruins the whole article, but there you go...
:Except for the fact that the games, instruction manuals, and every instance where Nintendo or other companies/websites/magazines talk directly about Samus confirm that she's a woman.  If you need in-game proof (not trying to be patronizing; just providing the info), refer to the Chozo logs in Prime 1, or the discussions with Adam in Fusion, where pronouns such as "she", "her", and the nickname "Lady" is used. Arrow 21:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The script in the games, for the Prime duo and Zero Mission at least (can't confirm the others), didn't change between shores.  Too, all the Japanese commercials with Samus physically shown used female actresses.  And Nintendo's Japanese Metroid e-manga, where we're getting all our biographical info from (about her parents, where she was raised before the Chozo took her in, etc.), makes it clear it's a girl too.  So it's not a case of an adaptation across shores; she's always been a female both in Japan and the US.  I seriously understand where you're coming from; bishōnen is all over the place and this is an instance where it could logically fit, but it's simply not the case here. Arrow 21:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Samus' Gender

message: I started playing Metroid: Zero Mission again and the beginning of the game depicts Samus' eyes as Heterochromatic. One green eye and one blue. The Shyguy Kingdom also shows this in their ripped sprites. - Zero1328 Talk? 02:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that may be the shine on the visor making it look green.  All recent pics of her shows her with two blue eyes.  Her Brawl pic for example.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm going to agree with SaturnYoshi on this - that's just visor glare. --Sparky Lurkdragon 03:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eye colour 

message: Recently, when I entered Samus' article, Jennifer Hale was listed as her VA. I always thought that Samus was a silent protagonist, much like Mario and Link, so since when has she had a VA? NeoSeifer
:Well, she's technically not a silent protagonist since she does talk, though only in the 2D games so far, with entire monologues of scrolling text.  But anyways, as far as voice acting goes, Samus does emit grunts when hit and a scream when she dies in the Prime series, so clearly there's someone voicing her, even if it's not actual talking.  I recently had a long discussion with SaturnYoshi over this, because the opinion of the community over Hale being the VA is split since her official site doesn't list Prime in her resumé.  It seems Game Informer had a "Behind the Mic" article (Issue 161, Sept 2006 pg. 18) that did confirm her role though.  The article is available online, but you need to have a subscription to the magazine to be able to read it. Arrow 02:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jennifer Hale? 

message: I was wondering on two issues about the morph ball:
1. How does the suit change into the morph ball?
2. How does Samus fit inside the morph ball?--BigMac1212 17:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morph Ball 

message: Do we have to use that low resolution image in the article?  It looks butt ugly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.147.68 (talk • contribs) 
:Agreed, why can't we get a Smash image of her? Or at the very least put an image of her Zero suit form on here. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 20:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I could have sworn there was a higher-res image of her on this article before.  Did someone change it recently? — KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, someone changed it.  Apparently using the high-res version broke copyright rules, since it wasn't actually a public domain shot.  Or so the claim going around is; I don't know how legit that reasoning actually is. Arrow 21:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair Use is a sticky grey area. :P — KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  low-rez image 

message: I archived it. It got way too big.--Atomic-Super-SuitWhat Have I Done?!  04:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  archive 

message: I see that this article has been changed and even all of the old discussion is gone. Anyways, please make sure to use the possive 's correctly. This is the correct way: Samus's arm cannon is so cool. Note that there is an apostrophe and then an additional s. This is correct. See Saxon genitive for the correct way to show possession in English writing.
Anyways, I went ahead and fixed all of the possessive 's errors. I hope I didn't mess anything up. --olanmills 19:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I meant what I said. I guess it wasn't clear. I meant possessive " 's" errors. Anyways, see the second entry below for a more thorough explanation--olanmills 03:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possessive 's 

message: Samus is typically portrayed in her suit--the only time she's seen outside of her suit in the games is during select ending sequences and the end part of Zero Mission. However, the page seems to give a different image of Samus--one of Samus outside her suit. The percentage of the pictures of Samus unsuited is too large (four out of nine counting only the ones from Metroid games). Is having a picture of the ending sequences from every single game necessary?
:They're basically progression photos to show how she looks in the different games.  I'm guessing.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I must say I agree with the fact that there's way too many Samus pictures of her outside her suit. This is not the way she is generally shown; a blonde happy chick. It would be more interesting to see more of the different suits she wore over the years.Mansize 15:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Something I've noticed

message: This article needs a serious tense cleanup.  Are we using the past, present, or furutre tense here?  I see them all at once and am confused as to how to go about editing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.169.10 (talk • contribs) 
:All the in-universe history stuff is supposed to be present tense, except possibly when discussing Samus's childhood before the games begin. Real-world stuff (i.e. "the game led players to believe she was male") should be past tense. Future tense is used when talking about Metroid Prime 3, because it's not out yet, but I'm not sure it should be. --Herald Alberich 13:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense 

message: The way the article is put makes it look like Samus has metroid DNA in Metroid Prime: Hunters.
Unless I'm mistaken, the only game she has metroid DNA is Fusion.
Someone fix this, I'm too lazy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Da p3n6u1n (talk • contribs) 21:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good eye, fixed. --Herald Alberich 22:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metroid DNA 

message: Why does some one keep changing it back? Look it's just English grammar. It's either right or it's wrong. It's not a matter of preference. 
:See Saxon genitive for the correct way to show possession in English writing.
To show that Samus has possession of something, you have to use an apostrophe plus an additional s. It's a common misconception that you omit the s when the word already ends in s. That is done for pluralized words that end in s. Here are some examples:
Correct: Samus's ship is fast.
Correct: The witness's testimony is solid.
Correct: All four of my tires' treads are in good condition.
Correct: The boxes' lids are all different colors.
Incorrect: Samus' arm cannon can be upgraded.
See Saxon genitive for the correct way to show possession in English writing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Olanmills (talk • contribs) 05:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Preach it!Xenongamer 22:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possesives (again) 

message: A Man In Black has removed the physical characteristics section of this article twice now without a reason given nor a word about it on the talk page. I think it is a worthy part of the article and should be included, at the very least there should be some discussion about it before it is deleted outright. Maybe we could move some of the data (height, weight, age, etc) into the infobox and merge the remainder into another portion of the article? I don't know of an infobox template that covers all the info, the one used for pro wrestlers seems pretty close though. How hard would it be to cobble one together out of that and the one currently on the page? Until then I'm going to re-add the section. Lando242 18:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The info should be worked into the article, not given its own template/list. Plenty of fictional characters are described in detail. Just make sure you specify which game provides this information, and in what format (in-game, instruction book, etc.) otherwise it's just cruft. Noclevername 00:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About "Physical Characteristics" secton removal. 

message: It just occurred to me that the majority of this page is overly-detailed plot-cruft.  Since this page is about Samus, most games in the series would only warrant very brief descriptions of the game.  The only games that would require more would be Zero Mission, Super Metroid, or Metroid Fusion, as they detail major events in Samus' life.  Other than that, the games are basic missions for Samus. King Zeal 13:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've been looking for some sort of useful references to try and add some real-world context, to make this look something like Solid Snake. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the interest of cleaning this up, I'm thinking we should remove all of the section headings and convert the "Role in the Metroid series" section into a series of paragraphs (no more than one or two per game) that very briefly describe the nature of Samus's mission(s) in each game.  The level of detail we have here is overwhelmingly unnecessary, and we don't need separate sections for each game. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 17:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot Summaries

message: KieferSkunk asked about this in an edit.  The Chozo referred to Samus as "the Hatchling" in three different pieces of Chozo Lore in Metroid Prime, all in Chozo Ruins (Crossway - "Hatchling's Shell", Ruined Fountain - "Hatchling", and Magma Pool - "Newborn").  The text of them all is far too big to quote here though, so feel free to check in your own copy of the game.  Alternately, there's a [FAQ] at GameFAQs that gives the text of all the lore, which would probably take less time than loading the game up. — Arrow 19:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, thanks. :)  I hadn't recalled her being referred to as the Hatchling, but that's good info.  I'll refer to GameFaqs as a reference for that particular line. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hatchling Verification

message: I noticed there is no trivia section for this article. Is it not necessary or something? If i is necessary, somebody please add it. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.15.28.42 (talk • contribs) 
:Trivia lists are actually frowned upon at Wikipedia. Arrowned 00:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia? 

message: Is Samus sometimes referred to as the "girl with the weight of the world on her shoulders?"  For some reason I thought I saw that somewhere.  It's also shown in the video "Haloid," but I'm pretty sure I saw that from some official nintendo thing.  Drewboy64 03:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  girl with weight of hte world on her shoulders 

message: AVKent882 02:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Metroid: Samus Gunship 

message: Who thinks that the recent character battle on IGN between Samus and Master Chief should be at least briefly mentioned in the article? The fact that Samus beat Master Chief seems to me like a significant indication of how popular and well-established she is compared to a character who is well-known yet a relative newcomer.Abodos 05:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Might be worth mentioning.  In this case, it would probably be best to mention the event in both this article and in Master Chief's article. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 06:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IGN has character battles all the time. I've never seen the winners get posted on wikipedia before. I don't see why it's really that notable. I mean, Halo's really popular, but Metroid has been really popular for 20 years. DurinsBane87 07:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samus vs. Master Chief info 

message: Would there be any value in documenting how the character's appearance has changed?  I don't mean modifications in the rendering of the power suit, Fusion notwithstanding, many of those can be attributed to improving graphics.
I'm referring to the visual portrayal of the character herself, as she has been portrayed over the series, increasingly exploring the woman beneath the suit.  Mario, Sonic, Link, and other iconic characters have been largely defined for a while, but with her armor limiting our view of her, and only visible for the percentage of gamers who complete the hardest challenges, her changes have both taken longer and changed more dramatically. 
Subjectively, I know many older gamers, introduced to Samus as a brunette/green haired woman in the original, have been surprised at the bright blonde version appearing in Smash Bros. Brawl, a version established in the most recent GBA game, and which is possibly going to be her commonly accepted appearance.  But I've researched a bit, and while the GBA games have really defined her appearance this way, especially with the increasing entire 'reward' illustrations showing her as blonde, this has been supported increasingly in the Metroid:Prime series.
1.The original game, in which her gender was a surprise for the ending, established her as brunette (the ending)/ green (the easter egg allowing you to play with the suit off).
2.Metroid II, in black and white, gave the world its first really detailed look at Samus.  She sported a bellybutton-exposing tankini, as opposed to her NES bikini top.  The more detailed look gave her actual facial features. The black and white obscured the hair color, though.
3.Super Metroid shook things up a bit, with Samus gaining significant musculature, as opposed to the straight glamour shot of Metroid II (the pixilated bikini pose from the first game is graphically sparse in conveying style) and shifting her to a dark blonde/possibly orange-ish redhead.
Years of gaming silence without a Metroid game, then...
4. The Gamecube version, Metroid Prime, with a more realistic-looking world, gives a head shot, with definite tied-back blonde hair and classical facial features.
5. The GBA games of Metroid Fusion and Metroid:Zero provide several illustrations of her complete physique, and as a bright, almost bleached, blonde.  Her hair has been lengthened to mid-back length, (possibly more noticably in the Japanese release endshots?), and she has traded in her bikini bottoms for 'short shorts,' retaining the more midriff-revealing halter top from Super Metroid.
Metroid:Zero Mission also introduces her appearance in the "Zero suit," a light blue, form fitting bodysuit worn under the armor.  For the first time, we see Samus with a ponytail (obscured in the headshot in Prime).  All of the 'reward art' has her with this hairstyle (locks of hair framing her face, but the rest of her hair tied back).  
This look was rendered into 3D for Prime:2 almost exactly, and appears to be the standard for the upcoming Smash Bros. Brawl, as well.
(Subtle differences exist in Samus' appearance in the DS title Prime:Hunters, story-line-wise between Prime 1 and 2 - the hair is a little darker and in a simpler, more functional ponytail.  Whether this look was tailored with regard for her other appearances timeline-wise is not clear.)
In summary, there is a clear evolution of the character's appearance (although 'evolution,' implying progress, may not be the right word for such a subjective field).  
There may be enough changes for conversation about possible significance or meaning in the character's design to be worthwhile, in which case these changes are important.  Others may view these changes as the kind of fanboy minutia that Wikipedia needs to limit or ignore.  Which is why I am posting this under 'discussion,' first.--70.95.226.180 02:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evolution of character 

message: The article says: "Samus is considered the first playable female character in a Nintendo game."
This is wrong.  "Vs. Ladies Golf" (copyright 1984) had players controlling a female golfer. "Volleyball" (copyright 1986) had a Women's team available, and was released 16 days before Metroid in Japan.
--Dwedit 05:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should probably reword the sentence slightly, to: "Samus is widely considered the first significant playable female character...", since the Vs. Ladies Golf and Volleyball games didn't feature characters of any particular significance. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

text: What about Super Mario Bros. 2 with Princess Peach? --172.165.114.247 (talk) 14:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Late response, but SMB2 came out LONG after Metroid, and by that point there were other games around as well that had female playable characters in them.  Peach's status as a first-time playable character is more relevant to the Super Mario Bros. universe than to Nintendo gaming or video gaming in general. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Not first playable Nintendo female character

message: We're getting crufty again.  We already deleted/transwiki'd the "Objects/Items in the Metroid Series" article, and now this article is starting to take on similar content - namely, the list of beams and suits.  Do we really need to go into detail on each of Samus's individual weapons and armor suits?  We can describe her beam and missile weaponry in a few sentences, mentioning that they are upgradeable in another sentence, and we can summarize the purpose of her suits without needing to outline each one.  The Varia suit is arguably significant in its own right because of its general functionality and usefulness to the protagonist, and the Zero Suit is already mentioned in an appropriate manner, but if there's any need to go into detail on any of these, they should be described in their appropriate articles - for example, the Light and Dark suits only appear in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes.
Let's try to keep the cruft down, guys. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only other thing I would mention is that the Varia suit's distinctive round shoulders were a by-product of the Game Boy's limited technology. (Since the GB didn't have any color, Nintendo was forced to alter the Varia Suit's design to make it appear different than the normal Power Suit.)  This is significant, because from Super Metroid on, the Varia Suit has become Samus's "default" look.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by King Zeal (talk • contribs) 13:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this is a good thing to include.  But right now, the Beams and Suits sections are *REALLY* crufty and duplicate a lot of the content that we deleted and transwiki'd to WikiTroid months ago.  I cleaned up the Missiles section - let's see if we can get the rest of the article back in line with VGProj guidelines. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 08:10, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beam and Suit Cruft 

message: Samus has a few spoken lines in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. She says at least "try me" and "is that all?" when you use her taunts as Zero Suit Samus. Voiced by Jennifer Hale apparently. You guys might to reword a few parts of this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.234.206.177 (talk) 00:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Voiced by Alésia Glidewell actually, though that VA credit was removed from her site and thus has no proper route for sourcing at the moment.  Something about this does need to be added to the article; the last time it was added, I reverted it, but only because I didn't agree with the placement.  I probably should've just moved it. Arrowned (talk) 00:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  She talks! 

message: I've looked through videos of the credits for the Metroid Prime games, and I haven't seen her name or Carren Learning anywhere. In addition, it's not listed in her video game roles on her website. Was there any actual documentation of her voicing Samus, because if not, the credit should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Batwing321 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk:Samus Aran/Archive 1#Jennifer Hale?  EDIT: Annnd now that I have a Game Informer subscription and was finally able to check that article for myself, it turns out there's no mention of Metroid in it at all. Arrowned (talk) 12:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't in the article, it was mentioned in a sidebar in the magazine itself.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 18:41, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any scans available? Even if it's a mistake, it'd be good to see it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.192.239 (talk) 06:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jennifer Hale: Incorrect Credit? 

message: I think a nice additon would be a few more pictures.
A picture of her in her Power suit would be nice(one without huge shoulder pads), an image of a sidescrolling level of Super Metroid, an image of her in her zero-suit from the MP3 ending, and an image of seeing through her visor in a Metroid Prime game. --Timetobrawl 16:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because it would make the article 'look pretty' is not a valid reason to use images covered by someone else's copyright. See WP:FAIRUSE. 144.15.255.227 (talk) 22:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

text: This is more in the direction we should take this convo.  We need to figure out the best number of images the page should have (all your suggestions before would've made for eight images in a seven page article which is horribly cluttered), and then figure out which images would be most important to take up that number of spots.  At most, I say four: leave the Varia Suit image at the top, keep one of the ones of her suitless (we already have the ZM one; switching to the Prime 3 version isn't entirely necessary), and then one image each of in-action gameplay of a 2D game and a 3D one.  You could bump it to five images to leave the gunship picture in, but that's arguable IMO. Arrowned (talk) 01:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Probably not a good idea.  Because of the nature of the scenes where the Zero Suit appears in Prime 3, you're only ever going to find partial shots of her body.  The Zero Mission ending image currently in the article shows almost her entire body, which makes it the better option. Arrowned (talk) 18:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember a rather heated debate over on WT:VG a while back about what images we should use for various characters when multiple renderings exist.  (For example, Link and Bowser both came up in that discussion, and both have had significant redesigns over their lifetimes.)  I'm not sure if we ever all agreed on which image to use as a general rule, but I argued that we should use the most recognizable/representative one for the infobox image, even if it's not necessarily the most recent.  In a couple of cases, I think we agreed that SSB Melee actually gave the most recognizable rendering even over the official games.  (Ice Climbers come to mind.) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I know that discussion was used for Pit's page as well.  Going along that mentality, it would make the most sense to use her Brawl Zero Suit incarnation since it's recent enough to give a good idea of how it looks, plus the available images can be more easily fair-use'd (since it's available on a company website).  Then too, there's the fact that we could easily get a Brawl-based picture of her that's full size and not just showing partial body shots like Prime 3. Arrowned (talk) 01:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

text: But you were arguing for an updated picture of her Zero Suit.  A picture of her in the Varia Suit with the helmet off is useless as the only difference it shows from the giant Varia image at the top of the article is her head. Arrowned (talk) 01:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More Pictures?

message: I was just reading the Ironman article when it hit me that Samus' armor bears a huge resembelence to Ironman's both in shape and color as well as being mounted with weapons and similar interfaces. Anybody know if Samus was based off of Ironman?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.24.105.30 (talk) 00:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't say I know for certain, but I think the appearance of Samus's body armor is coincidentally similar to Iron Man's.  In order to add anything of this nature to the article, we'd need a reliable source that states that the developers/designers were inspired by that character. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 03:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Based on? 

message: How do you pronounce "samus"? Is it sah-mus or sam-us?
--Sphetr2 (talk) 13:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the announcer and cheering crowd in Smash Bros., it's pronounced "Sam-us". King Zeal (talk) 14:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

message: Shouldn't we have a list of the different Power Suits?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.206.95.207 (talk) 01:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope.  We've had a consensus for a while that lists of items (including variants of the Power Suit and their capabilities) are not encyclopedic, per project guidelines.  This article used to have a lot of items listed, and we also had a separate List of Items in the Metroid Series, which was a HUGE article full of listcruft.  That information is better suited for a gaming wiki, but it doesn't inherently help an average layman reader understand the game as a whole - it's information that is mostly interesting to people already familiar with the game and/or series.  Please see the guidelines page for more information. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 03:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power Suit 

message: Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about Samus RyanTMulligan (talk) 16:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the site is amusing enough, but I don't think we can use it for anything in this article.  Sorry. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, okay well thank you for considering it. RyanTMulligan (talk) 22:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snapshots