Talk:Dacian language

message: Unlike the Gaulish language, which is attested, ideas concerning the affiliation of the Dacian language are not in agreement, so as said before, writing/organizing this article presents a challenge. I find it almost impossible to separate the Dacian language from the scholars who have written of it, so I will assemble a ==Bibliography== section in the article (and eventually, a ==References== section). Tomaschek and Hasdeu would be two early figures. Alexander 007 20:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliography

message: After I added a "Citation needed" template to the claim that most Romanian place names are of Slavic origin, somebody removed it and added a link to an article about Slavic influence on Romanian. However, nothing in that article supports the claim, so I have put the template back on. I have no shares in the question but a profound interest in toponymy, so it would be great to see a link to a reliable source. --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority of Romanian place names are Romanian, they're either a geographical description, like White River or Long Valley or derived from a family name Ciocăneşti = Hammerville, probably from the name of someone known as Ciocan (Hammer). Slavic placenames are found throughout the country, but they're not the majority anywhere. bogdan (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Intersting, thanks. It would be great with a source, though. Unfortunately, Balkan toponomy seems to be utterly neglected by linguists/philologians--Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 05:31, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Bogdan, the example you have chosen, Ciocanesti, disproves your own argument, since ciocan derives from a Slavonic word meaning "hammer".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.177.125 (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation still needed

message: The point about Romanian placenames is that, as a whole, they constitute an insurmountable obstacle to the Daco-Roman Continuity theory. They prove beyond reasonable doubt that medieval Dacia was predominantly Slavic-speaking before it became Romanian-speaking. 
Quoting from the excellent section on Rom. placenames in Origin of the Romanians:
"Although some towns preserved their ancient namesFor instance, Poetovio (Ptuj, Slovenia), and Siscia (Sisak, Croatia) (Tóth 2004, p. 60.). in South-eastern Europe up until now, the names of all Roman settlements attested in Roman Dacia in Antiquity disappeared. The names of some riversFor example, the name of the rivers Criş, Mureş, Olt, Someş, Timiş is certainly of ancient origin.  (Vékony 2000, p. 77.; Madgearu 2005, p. 143.). survived the Roman withdrawal, but their modern forms suggest a Slavic mediation instead of a direct transmission from a native language or Latin to languages now spoken in the territory. For instance, the vowel shift from [a] to [u] or [o] experienced in the case of the rivers Mureş [< Maris], Olt [< Aluta], and Someş [< Samu(m)] is attested in the development of the Slavic languages, but is alien to Romanian and other tongues spoken in their regions.  Dunărea, the Romanian name of the Danube may have developed from a supposed Geto-Dacian *Donaris form. However, this form is not attested in written sources. Therefore, it is possible that the Romanians' ancestors in this case also adopted a Slavic name." EraNavigator (talk) 18:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanian placenames and Slavic substratum 

message: In §4.4, reconstruction of Dacian words, there are some serious issues with Georgiev's proposed etymologies; there is no PIE word for black *n̥-ks(e)y-no, and even if there were, it could not result in Axios (where is the nasal?). The Avestan form cited, 𐬀𐬑𐬱𐬀𐬉𐬥𐬀 axšaēna 'dark-coloured' (Bartholomae Altiranisches Wörterbuch pp. 51) is most likely the alpha-privative *n̥-, used to negate things (cf. the α-/αν- of Gk., the a-/an- of Sanskrit and Avestan, the a- of Latin, the un- in English, etc.) and some word for light or bright 𐬑𐬱𐬀𐬉𐬙𐬀 xšaēta 'bright, shining' (Bartholomae Altiranisches Wörterbuch pp. 541). This word, axšaēna 'dark-coloured', could conceivably come from a root *n̥-ks(e)y-no, but we have no other attestations outside of Iranian. Using a poorly-known language like Dacian to explain a poorly-known root like *ks(e)y- (the *n̥-, again, is the alpha-privative) is unhelpful at best. I think it would be pertinent to find another Indo-European attestation of this word before using it as the basis of an argument like Georgiev has done her. And I think it would be best to remove the portion about the etymology and the name of the lake; onomastics and hydronymy are very difficult to conclusively prove, and generally unhelpful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vindafarna (talk • contribs) 17:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  §4.4 issues with etymologies 

message: ' (For some historians, mainly Hungarian, this allegedly didn't occur before the 13th or 14th century[citation needed]), but the hypothesis is highly controversial since it likely is politically motivated.) ' - 2013 this was tagged - it needs an inline reference otherwise it reads like nationalist propaganda - PLEASE address!!!  -HammerFilmFan 50.111.25.27 (talk) 00:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  9 yr old cite tagged - where is the reference??