Talk:Tammuz (mythology)

message: This page links to 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumuzi
in the German version. However, the German entry doesn't link back to this one. Instead, another entry is linking here: 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammuz_%28Mythologie%29
I'm not at all qualified to say which one is correct, but they seem to talk about different entities, so someone should check that  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.230.92.18 (talk) 22:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Check German language link

message: Tammuz was the brother of Geshtinanna.
The lover of Tammuz was Ishtar.
When he died, she cried and lamented days and nights.
Ishtar went to the underworld to bring Tammuz back to life.
After their death, they were divinized by the sumerians and then babylonians.
Many many Baylonian rites still survived even when Abraham brought the new religion to his semitic tribes. (like the golden Calf, the calendar based on the moon, Ishtar cult  etc.)
That's the origin of the hebraic lamentations.
Ask that to rabbins or assyrologues, they know all that.
And that's why Tammuz is "evil" for the jewish religion because his cult is very ancient and goes back to sumerian days.
Kuratowski's Ghos, you are denying historical facts.
:And you are a raving lunatic Kuratowski's Ghost 20:55, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kuratowski's Ghost are you really stubborn ? 

message: Wouldn't the narrative be improved if it could be told with closer attention to the recently reconstituted texts, with less smirking? --Wetman 15:00, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Just telling the story

message: The An older interpretion doesn't have enough detail. What is the "older" interpretation? What are these texts? Where were they found? -Tydaj 21:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's better now, but needs further expanding. --Wetman 23:13, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

text: I cleared up some of the meanings - but, it still lacks any real information... smIsle 05:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Details?

message: An anonymous editor made the following irrelevant edits (bolded): "there sat women weeping for the Tammuz (alternatley "Getting the Tammuz to weep" acc. to traditional hebrew reading of the vowels in "MiVaChoT EhT Hatamuz").
Even I know that by mispointing it, any passage in Hebrew may be rendered meaningless, or given a subtle new connotation. For instance the vowels of bosheth "shameful" can render Moloch as Molech. See the etymology of Beelzebub.  And "the" does not exist in the original: is it being added here to give credibility to this "traditional" misreading? This intrusion does not assist the reader in understanding Tammuz, subject of the entry, the god for whom the women were weeping. --Wetman 21:10, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "weeping for Tammuz"

message: Is there any substantiation whatsoever for the supposed Tamil connection mentioned here? 71.82.214.160 06:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes you wonder, though. We know how Hebrew and Arabic are pronounced... but Tammuz has to travel quite a ways before reaching India.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.107.159 (talk) 13:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tamil connection 

message: Just compare these two excerpts from the article:
Readers in four-season temperate cultures may doubt the god as a vegetation god, through misconstruing this seasonal timing, or wishfully see in him a life-death-rebirth deity. "He was no dying and resurrecting vegetation demon, as James George Frazer wanted him to be (for one thing no vegetation demon dies in the spring, in April)," Miroslav Marcovich observed.[2] More to the point, tablets discovered in 1963 show that Dumuzi was in fact consigned to the Underworld himself, in order to secure Inanna's release.
Dumuzid/Tammuz being the god of the vegetation cycle, this corresponds to the changing of the seasons as the abundance of the earth diminishes in his absence. He is a life-death-rebirth deity.
either he's a life-death-rebirth deity or not - choose one or at least address the conflict!!
smIsle 05:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life-Death Deity or Not 

message: The section was missing ref tags and was somewhat ungrammatical, plus there's a Tale of Two Brothers, so I did some cleanup on it, but now that I look at it I see no connection to Tammuz. Could someone who knows the topic explain the connection, or remove it if there is none? --Jamoche (talk) 19:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deleted it, doesn't say anything not found in Tale of Two Brothers and appears completely off topic in this article. I've also moved the Tamil stuff to a new stub article. Kuratowski's Ghost (talk) 15:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tale of Two Brothers 

message: the following books...
* http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_adv_b/?search-alias=stripbooks&unfiltered=1&field-keywords=&field-author=&field-title=Tammuz&field-isbn=&field-publisher=&node=&url=&field-feature_browse-bin=&field-binding_browse-bin=&field-subject=&field-language=&field-dateop=&field-datemod=&field-dateyear=&sort=relevancerank&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.x=42&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.y=15
--124.78.214.145 (talk) 07:03, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A call for critical review of ... 

message: The above mentioned book contains a chapter which gives a scholarly and informed description of Tammuz and as such I think more should be made of its content. For instance the author attempts a lineage describing Tammuz's family thus : "Tammuz of the Abyss was one of the members of the family of Ea, god of the Deep, whose other sons, in addition to Merodach, were Nira, an obscure deity, Ki-Gulla, 'world destroyer', Burnunta-sa, 'broad ear', and Bara and Baragulla, probably 'revealers' or 'oracles'. In addition there was a daughter, Khi-dimme-azaga, 'child of the renowned spirit'. She may have been identical with Belit-sheri, who is referred to in the Sumerian hymns as the sister of Tammuz." 
There is much more, but being unfamiliar with the procedures and conventions of Wikipedia I am not sure how best to proceed. I do feel though that more should be made of the remarkable and informative book mentioned above. Gordoncom (talk) 09:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  myths of babylonia and assyria by donald a. mackenzie 

message: How is removing "Is the name of" from the lead violating NPOV? See WP:REFERS. WP is not a dictionary, so we focus on the topics, not the words. Ashmoo (talk) 13:25, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Is the name of" in lead 

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