Talk:Félix Vallotton

message: I'm still not really happy with the passage on his style; since woodcut cannot produce half-tones it is not suprising his style "eliminates" them - & it is confusing for the reader to tell them this. Johnbod 13:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we can agree on a different term--what I have in mind is the grays & gradations produced by parallel hatchings. In Durer's The Vision of the Seven Candlesticksthe layers of clouds are differentiated by varied gray tones & the draperies are modeled with hatching & crosshatching; in Beckmann's 1922 Self-portrait volume is created by scattered hatchings. FV makes sparing use of this in some of his portrait woodcuts but  in the interiors & street scenes he nearly always eliminates it entirely, relying instead on pattered fabrics, checkerboard floors and the like to provide relief from solid blacks & whites. I'm not altogether comfortable with "halftone" myself because it's so strongly identified with photomechanical dot-patterns; maybe hatching is a better term here, or transitions or modeling? Ewulp 03:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  well what is original about him, to my mind anyway, is his not being afraid of having large areas of black - larger than the Japanese. I was trying to convery this with (earlier draft):
"Vallotton's woodcut style featured large areas of solid black, translating reality into stark oppositions of massed black and white while emphasizing outline and pattern. The influences of post-Impressionism, [[symbolism..."
- I must say I still think this is clearer (especially with no woodcut pic), but i'm sure we can work something outJohnbod 04:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I had changed that to avoid what seemed a slight redundancy: large areas of solid black & massed black, but I see your point; I've just made a stab at fixing this, let me know what you think. Ewulp 05:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  that's great; now all we need is a woodcut pic! Johnbod 15:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: It's fascinating how much the present version of this article manages to say about his life while saying barely anything about his politics. Meanwhile, click through a few biography articles of contemporary socialists and anarchists and you'll find his woodcuts everywhere. Here's a link to his Dictionnaire des anarchistes article, for anyone with a mind to start expanding this:  -- asilvering (talk) 05:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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message: The quote attributed to Vallotton,Human bodies, like faces, have their own individual expressions, which reveal, by their angles, their folds, their wrinkles, the joy, the pain, the boredom, the worries, the appetites, and the physical decay imposed by work, and the corrosive bitterness of voluptuousness. appears to have been written by Octave Mirbeau: Les corps humains, comme les visages, ont des expressions individuelles qui accusent, par des angles, par des plis, par des creux, la joie, la douleur, l’ennui, les soucis, les appétits, la déchéance physiologique qu’imprime le travail, les amertumes corrosives de la volupté. It's in a catalogue of an exhibit of Vallotton's work from January 1910 and in an article about Vallotton in L'Art moderne dated 27 February 1910. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 15:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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