Talk:Man on Fire (2004 film)

message: I edited the plot summary. Originally it was written as if Creasy made full recovery from the wounds he got during the fight when Pita was kidnapped. I believe it is pretty clear from the movie that this is not the case. The doctors make it clear he is in bad shape, and his friend Rayburn (Christopher Walken) tells Creasy that he won't last very long the shape he is in. I certainly interpret that Creasy never recovers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.184.7.230 (talk) 16:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Creasy's wounds

message: The article mentions an anal bomb. Although I haven't seen the movie, that doesn't seem quite right.
=== Oh, it exists ===
Just picked up the movie today from HMV for £2.99 (Tragic price for a great piece of cinema). On the region 2 DVD (and presumably the rest of the world) there are a lot of deleted scenes, available with directors commentry. I watched through about 35 minutes of them, with the commentary, and the director clearly says the bomb is in his anus and it's triggered in the same fashion as the bomb that he plants on the guy under the roadway.
I think really the anal bomb is little bit out of character. I can't really see how he couldnt have just swalloed it instead :)
-SteveG
Yup, the anal bomb really does exist; I'd have to watch it again to pick up what he used (I believe it was C3 or C4) but its definetly in there...
--Sidewinded 07:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anal Bomb

message: Just picked up the movie today from HMV for £2.99 (Tragic price for a great piece of cinema). On the region 2 DVD (and presumably the rest of the world) there are a lot of deleted scenes, available with directors commentry. I watched through about 35 minutes of them, with the commentary, and the director clearly says the bomb is in his anus and it's triggered in the same fashion as the bomb that he plants on the guy under the roadway.
I think really the anal bomb is little bit out of character. I can't really see how he couldnt have just swalloed it instead :)
-SteveG
Yup, the anal bomb really does exist; I'd have to watch it again to pick up what he used (I believe it was C3 or C4) but its definetly in there...
--Sidewinded 07:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh, it exists 

message: It's my opinion, the final portion of the plot summary regarding the ultimate fate of The Voice is awkwardly phrased and interjects opinion.  It suggests that we do not ever really see his face despite the newspaper photo earlier and despite the pretty straightforward shot of him falling into the pool after he gets shot.  I removed this, in my opinion, erroneous suggestion that the audience never sees his face but was chastised for "removing information".  In this case, I would contend that I was removing opinion rather than purely factual information.  As instructed, I'm making my suggestion here.  Thoughts?
*Support. --DelftUser 18:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Epilogue

message: Miguel Manzano introduced himself as director of the AFI and a former director of Interpol in Rome. I haven't read the original novel or watched the 1987 film which happened in Italy. So here is my question. Is that something connecting with them? Some homage maybe?--Mato Rei 12:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's a homage to the original novel which also takes place in Italy. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:36, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Manzano

message: When Ramos's attorney repeated the drop instructions to the Voice in phone, he mentioned KR agent will check the money at the bank before transport. What's KR agent? --Mato Rei 04:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: KR agent

message: I tought Mexican actor Roberto Sosa played "The Voice", not the actor listed in the article, can someone else confirm/deny this?
Vicco Lizcano 17:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just seen the movie and confirmed in the final credits that it's Roberto Sosa, I've made the change, it sucks that IMDB lists the wrong actor.  Vicco Lizcano 04:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, IMDB sometimes does.--Mato Rei (talk) 09:54, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roberto Sosa? 

message: on the dvd release and on the script it states that "John Creasy, a burned out ex-CIA operative/assassin" not retired special forces I edited this in the beginning lines the wording needs to be changed to reflect this edit  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benadamspears (talk • contribs) 18:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA operative 

message: I remember about a year ago there was much more content in the article, including details about deleted scenes from the dvd , production, reception, casting and such.  What happened?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.138.221 (talk) 03:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted content from article? 

message: at the end creasy most likely got killed by the other people. Just my opinion thank you. 71.173.64.191 (talk) 13:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the movie 

message: http://www.writingstudio.co.za/page570.html isn't a reliable source, but we could see if any RSes write what this one writes:
"Helgeland's initial screenplay drafts, like the novel, were set in Italy. But Foster and Scott, realizing that the locale and its Mafia antagonists were tired - and that kidnappings had virtually been eliminated in Italy thanks to tough new laws - had locations scouted in Brazil, Guatemala and Mexico."
WhisperToMe (talk) 03:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible sources

message: IGN doesn't confirm all of these, but here is the full list:
* Marcus Creasy - John W. Creasy
* Pinta Balletto - Pita Martin Ramos
* Rika Balletto - Lisa Martin Ramos
* Ettore Balletto - Samuel Ramos
* Guido Aurellio - Rayburn
* Mario Satta - Miguel Manzano
* Dino Fossella - Victor Fuentes
* Vico Mansutti - Jordan Kalfus
* Gina Mansutti - Evelyn (Kalfus's wife)
* Signora Deluca - Sister Anna
While in the novel Julia, Guido's wife, is dead, in the film Rayburn's wife is very much alive.
Mariana Garcia Guerrero has no equivalent I know of in the novel. Creasy, in the hospital, gets all of the newspaper clippings and has much of the research done beforehand.
The Rosas Sanchez family has no known equivalent - instead a mafia hierarchy, with Cantarella at the head, is the ultimate antagonist
WhisperToMe (talk) 09:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Novel characters to film characters

message: *"Man on Fire." Le Parisien. 23 December 2004.
WhisperToMe (talk) 07:31, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Foreign reviews

message: http://inter-disciplinary.net/ati/Evil/Evil%208/Davies%20paper.pdf
This appears to be an early version of the paper
WhisperToMe (talk) 08:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early version of Davies paper 

message: Since the movie ends with birth/death dates and other notes about the characters it might lead one to believe it is based on a true story -- and lead one to the WP for more info about the real life events and characters.  Therefore, it seemed important to specifically indicate that the novel is a work of fiction.  Arbalest Mike (talk) 19:50, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specifying "fiction" in the lead 

message: The Plot section is seriously overlong. This ought to be a synopsis, NOT a scene-by-scene recounting of the presented storyline. It's like listening to some drunk at the bar recounting his viewing of the film.
Wikipedia:Plot-only description of fictional works Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary
Conversely, there's no discussion of directorial technique, most notably use of onscreen titles. Weeb Dingle (talk) 17:32, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The length is fine with me. Long summaries are informative. 194.230.214.119 (talk) 12:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  reduce the plot summary 

message: There needs to be a disambiguation entry on this other film with the same title.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.98.105 (talk) 02:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Man on Fire (1987 film)]]