Talk:The Familiar of Zero

message: I believe that all the main characters should get their own page in the future, after we learn more about them. Also, its common and more suitable translation is Zero's Familiar, Agent=Familiar as well. Erithis 07:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair enough. Animanda's fansub translation is using familiar as well. --Squilibob 09:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: No reason not to start.  People will see if you make mistakes and help you fix them, so don't worry about it too much.  --Wirbelwind 00:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters

message: Tristania is not the nation , is capital of Tristain. 59.171.30.197 00:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: +1 approved RasqualTwilight 14:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of this article 

message: As shown in episode 6, Loise's (failed) fireball attack pierced the defences of a vault designed to withstand attack by Triangle-level mages. This infers that Loise is either a Square mage, or Pentagon mage due to previous referances to a fifth element in relation to Saito.
I don't think the above information is correct, so I deleted this paragraph. Louise is still a dot mage. As mentioned in the novel, her magical affinity is the fifth element - Null. That's another reason why she is named Louise the Zero.The 0% sucess rate of her spell is because she can only perform the null system magic (which she doesn't know how to perform), and she is not powerful enough to perform magic of another system. yiksung 06:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In response to the comment above. That is not true because the Vault was not protected against the "Void" magic. Void Magic cancels out all the other elements as demonstrated by Louise in the Second Season.Jeffrey G. Conflict 2552 Producer 06:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Magic Affinity of Louise

message: I was wondering if we should start adding information from the novels. I was thinking about adding general information about the novels like the release dates and maybe updating the character info with updated information from developments in the novels.
I would've started on this already, but I wanted to make sure that people here approved of it, as this seems like an article primarily based on the anime. RagolSlayer 03:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm for it. Having only read the first chapter, I only mentioned that Saito could understand the Nobles' language (if not what they were saying) from the outset. I don't really know of any other developments, and I'm kind of dreading wading even deeper into a book where I'm learning new vocabulary on every single page. (Apparently, even "light" reading can be a learning experience for a budding student of the Japanese language :-/) --Julian Grybowski 19:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information from novels? 

message: Shouldn't that be Gandalfr? As it's based on the dwarf from Norse Mythology, similar to how the Osmond's familiar is named after the dwarf Mótsognir. Xychosis 16:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what it's based on, but the runes on Saito's left hand read "Gundolf," not "Gandalfr." While the author may have meant for it to be the Old Norse word (which the pronunciation in the text would certainly support), that's not what appears in the illustrations or the anime. --Julian Grybowski 17:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps an explanation to this in the article would be fitting? That way, people would be informed of the possible mistake on the author's part. Xychosis 21:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I believe the Kana reads ガンダールヴ (Gandaaruvu), so it would be read as Gandalfr, and not Gundolf. I also believe that in this sort of situation, it's correct to alter things to have them closer resemble what the author intended, as opposed to leaving them as they are, since the language barrier prevents the author from actually writing out something like "Gandalfr". Nandeyanen 19:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose you have a point about going with the text, over the runes in the illustrations. Perhaps it would suffice to have an explanatory that the runes in Usatsuka's illustrations (and the anime) read "Gundolf," but go with "Gandálfr" in the article proper? --Julian Grybowski 20:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It should, however, the English anime version from Geneon spells and pronounces it as Gundolf. Will have to see how Seraphim Digital handles the spelling in The Familiar of Zero F season.  The manga didn't get published properly in the US. AngusWOOF (talk) 19:22, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gundolf? 

message: Henrietta should be marked as a major character. She has a major impact on the plot.
She is a triangle water mage. -A Wanderer 00:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henrietta 

message: Before a revert war happens, I would like to discuss the title of episode 13 of Zero no Tsukaima.
Thus far, I prefer the name "Louise of the Void" to "Louise the Void". Someone else is clearly partial to the name of "Louise the Void", and while both translations are fairly accurate, I was wondering why in particular someone is overwriting "Louise of the Void" to "Louise the Void". I do not see why it should be titled "Louise the Void" as Louise isn't a void - she's a void mage. Being that she is a mage of the element void, it makes more sense to me that the episode would be called "Louise of the Void".
Therefore, I have reverted it back to "Louise of the Void" for the time being. If anybody disapproves, etc., please respond here on the discussion page to clear up the matter. -A Wanderer 12:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode 13 Title 

message: Some believe here that the name is pronouned Wald and on the English subs and the animenewsnetwork.com pronounce it Ward.  So what is the confusing part of how to pronounce his name?
: The full spelling of his name in Japanese is ジャン・ジャック・フランシス・ド・ワルド Jan Jakku Furanshisu do Warudo. Going by the kana alone, it's slightly ambiguous, though clearly in favor of "Wald" ("ward" would be more likely spelled as ワード Wādo). The real clincher, though, as with many of the other names of the nobles in this series, is that there are locations in Europe (Switzerland, in this case) called "Wald" that a noble could be "of," while there is nowhere called "Ward." --Julian Grybowski 15:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. -A Wanderer 16:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wald or Ward? 

message: I respect the attempt to not reveal major spoilers, but it's ridiculous to have so many spoiler warnings. It's quite annoying to see one small blurb separated from the rest just because of this. It'd be much more reasonable to just place one or two around entire sections, or instead not place spoilers at all. Besides, Wikipedia is meant to have detailed information anyway, a reader should understand that there are bound to be spoilers in such an article. KojieroSaske 04:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine. I have moved an endspoiler tag below the episode guide rather than where it was above it so that no one will be shocked to see plot details directly after they've seen a line saying end spoiler. --Squilibob 07:58, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ack...way too many spoiler warnings! 

message: Uh...Was correcting a minor error when I noticed a story section in the coding. Is that supposed to be there? Mind you, it's horribly biased and the original author had a deluge of writing mistakes, but do we need a plot summary for the current article? If so, then I'll get around to producing that and chopping the episode summaries to a smaller size. KojieroSaske 01:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidden story section in code? 

message: Since there will be a second series starting on July 13, 2007, I think there should be cleanup to have the characters move to a character section and the episodes in an episode guide section so it can stand out more with more episodes coming soon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.118.108.222 (talk) 19:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second this; the main article is just getting a little too large. -- Do you know? 18:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I too agree with this; it's not uncommon for this to happen to series overtime, and if nothing else, the episodes most definately deserve their own article. I'll first do a relatively massive cleanup on the article and then get to splitting off these two sections.--十八 09:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters & Episode list should have separate sections 

message: ...Because I haven't seen any major buzz on the usual Japanese websites. Even the official site itself only announces that a 2nd series is in the works and a rebroadcast of the first season will begin on April 2nd. I hope someone can prove me wrong. I heart ZeroTsuka as much as the next person... -Atashi 23:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Looking at the official announcement, it appears that what starts on April 2nd is a rebroadcast of the first season. On an unrelated note, I'm curious as to who they mean by "new character"... Tiffania? Sylphid's human form? One of the other characters given short shrift in the war arc they seriously abridged? --Julian Grybowski 23:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd Season is Not Starting on April 2nd 

message: Since the series has been licensed and the official "westernized" name has been released, shouldn't the article be moved/renamed accordingly? --65.93.211.18 17:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am partial to the original Japanese name of the series, but I am unsure of the naming system in Wikipedia. Someone else has set up a redirect at The Familiar of Zero. Jeomaxxters 04:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article should be renamed due to an English localization of the first anime series.--十八 12:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't know about this, the article is about the light novel, manga, game and two anime - only the first anime is licensed. --Squilibob 07:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: As I recall, Seven Seas Entertainment also recently announced their acquisition of the light novels, but it's anybody's guess what they'll use as the name... --Julian Grybowski 13:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Zero no Tsukaima -> The Familiar of Zero

message: Does anyone else reading the section about Louise and Saito feel that the writer is barely masking a seething hatred for Louise?
To me, "Extremely Cruel" is someone who kicks grannies and eats babies.  To label Louise this seems excessive...
There seems to be a lot of focus on Louise's ill treatment towards Saito.  In the show, the bad treatment, whipping (and later repeated blasting with her new found void powers) are usually light-hearted and a source of comedy, but the context of the articles seems to make it a lot more sinister.
Saying that Saito acting like a pervert is normal for his age is an overused excuse.  The fact is, nobody would want someone associated with them to embarrass them in public.
::I completely agree The Honorable Kermanshahi (talk) 16:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always disliked the episode/character guides on wikipedia specifically for this reason. People tend to get into edit wars trying to support their ships. Honestly, in my opinion the way Loise treats Saito would be unacceptable, IF this the real world we were talking about. This, my friends, is the world of Japanese animation. The girl beating (in this case whipping and exploding) her love interest for the sole reason the he dares divert his gaze, is, in this world, considered acceptable and sometimes encouraged. The guy, despite the large harem of caring and usually more attractive interested females, will usually take a liking to her. It's been going on since Ranma 1/2 and will probably continue.  Bionic86 (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased against Louise? 

message: Okay, so we have the traditional title of Zero no Tsukaima, the English anime-name as The Familiar of Zero and the English light novel-name as Zero's Familiar, so should we be concerned about possibly renaming this article, or just keep it as is?--十八 00:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which was first? --Squilibob 22:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Um, "Zero no Tsukaima" is the original, the anime was licensed first, and then the light novel series.--十八 00:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that the light novel series spawned the anime rendition of the story, Zero's Familiar would probably be more appropriate. Jeomaxxters 16:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it would seem that Geneon made it a lot easier since they're not distributing anime anymore; see the lead in Geneon if you already don't know. That means the only English release will be under the name Zero's Familiar; I'll be bold and change it. It's not like prior notice wasn't given here anyway.--十八 09:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming redux 

message: "The main courtyard of the school is known as Vestri Court."
I always thought it wasn't the name of the whole courtyard, but a part of the courtyard.
In this case, the western part of the schoolgrounds.
Alex 'phoenix' Wing 10:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Courtyard name? 

message: I believe this book deserves mention. It is a compilation on what the "mysterious girl" (as stated by the source itself) does when not in school. More info at the official novel information page. Jeomaxxters 17:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's more of a sidestory than directly related to this series, wouldn't it make more sense to just make a new article for it?--十八 21:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if the book should be given a separate article. When I leafed through the novel (I can't read it yet), some (one?) of the illustrations featured Saito (the titular "familiar" of the main series). That, and unless I'm mistaken, the book is still part of the storyline anyway. Jeomaxxters 12:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  タバサの冒険 (Tabitha's Adventure/Tabasa no Bouken) 

message: There are Character CDs and OP ED CDs so is anyone going to post info on them?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.76.198 (talk) 21:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice idea, though I'm not sure there's demand... This shoudn't be a problem, since almost everything can be found on the Net. For example, official ZnT site has a CD list: http://www.zero-tsukaima.com/dvd/index.html#cd Const2k (talk) 12:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--十八 01:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Music CDs

message: Yeah I know it is a bit strange to see me comment on an artickle like this, but ok. I have watched both seasons of the anime and I think this article really gives you the wrong impression, that is if you read this without having watched it. Look it is true that Louise treats him quite cruel and beats him the the whip, ect. But you guy's are first of all exaggerating (quite a lot) and secondly this is almost the only thing said, you go on about it so much that it looks as if the whole serie is just him getting beaten up by Louise. And everyone has to admit that a lot of times it is quite Saito's fault, and he is a bit of a pervert... The Honorable Kermanshahi (talk) 16:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So your into Japanese anime-series? Gee, I never expected that from you. Allways imagining you as a man in his thirties who lives in west for unspecified reasons... This comes a bit as a suprise to me! Ramtashaniku (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This article gives the wrong impression

message: I'm a bit confused. Throughout the article and its children (e.g. episode listing), the title for the season 3 series in Romaji is interchanged several times. Is it Zero no Tsukaima: Princesses no Rondo, Zero no Tsukaima: Princesse no Rondo, or Zero no Tsukaima: Princess no Rondo? Once the true title is found, the article will have to be checked for consistency. Animeresearcher (talk) 20:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The subtitle for season 3 is . The furigana I believe is supposed to be the French pronunciation were the title translated into French. Unfortunately, the French articles on this series are very lacking. Anyway, per WP:MOS-JAPAN#Romanization, the rōmaji should be as I wrote it. Per WP:MOS-JAPAN#Names of companies, products, and organizations the title should be the same (though I think there might be something somewhere saying a commonly used translation is also acceptable when there is no official romanization). I'll go through and change them all to rōmaji. --Eruhildo (talk) 01:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed them back to "Princesse" due the furigana signifying this spelling; "Rondo" (rondeau) too is French.--十八 00:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, I completely forgot about #2 under Romanization. It should be "Princesse" except where writing the rōmaji. --Eruhildo (talk) 14:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Not that it may make a difference at this point, but the box that comes with the first Japanese DVD release identifies the series's English title as The Familiar of "Zero" -"Rondo" of Princesses-.  I think it supports the argument that princesses is supposed to be plural, as opposed to singular.  Unless there's official evidence to the contrary, I think the current French spelling of "princesse" is likely incorrect. Relentlessflame (talk) 17:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 3 Title 

message: The Setting section is currently full of descriptions of obscure or veiled similarities between Halkeginia and Europe.  This is incredibly minor information, especially for an article that is tagged as having too much plot summary.  In addition, none of these noted similarities are cited, and as they are not actually spelled out in the media itself, I am considering them to be original research.  I am deleting all of the offending text from the article.  If you consider this unacceptable, please only add them back in if you add citations to back the claims up.96.35.131.50 (talk) 22:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Similiarities to Europe

message: A comment in the "External links" section says that any non-notable fan site will be removed. What counts as a non-notable fan site? The Star Wars article lists "Star Wars - Wookieepedia – A Wiki Devoted To Star Wars" as an external link. Is "Zero no Tsukaima Wiki – A Wiki Devoted To The Familiar of Zero" acceptable? --Article editor (talk) 08:16, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikis generally aren't added per WP:ELNO point 12. The reason why the Star Wars one was kept is probably because it has over 100,000 articles. The Zero no Tsukaima one on the other hand has 262.--十八 08:57, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable fan site 

message: Can the reception / legacy section be expanded upon to show the popularity and significance of the series in the Oricon light novel rankings?  It needs sources from 2008 and earlier years to see whether it's dominated that market. Also has it won any writing awards? Also, even though the series was adapted into an anime with multiple seasons, it is difficult to assess what impact that had on the market. Once that's done, a better argument can be made to raise its level to Mid-importance. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment importance?