Talk:Lord Voldemort/Archive 1

message: should not omit any major facets of the topic - very little primary source stuff i.e. rowlings words, about the char, why she made the decisions about this character she did, what was her purpose with this char, also no significance outside potter universe is stated, why is it important to the world etc
To be "theft of a dead body" wouldn't it have to be "vol d'un mort"? Basil Fawlty
:My French is rusty, but if you're right, wouldn't that make "vol de mort" "theft of death"? -- Jim Regan 01:30 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)
::No, "vol de mort" means "flight from death."  It refers to his attempts to escape the holds of death and achieve immortality (alluded to throughout the series but not solidified until #6).  The part that confuses people is that "vol" can mean both "flight" and "theft," though Rowling has confirmed (and it's the most logical answer) that she meant for it to mean "flight." Kakashi-sensei 23:52, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sort of. You have to link back to the orignal site and otherwise follow the terms of the GFDL. --Maru (talk) 18:17, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Why is style="white-space:nowrap;" used in the name table?
Furthermore the notes should be put underneath the entry they elaborate on in order to fix the table on the screen. - RoyBoy 800 15:20, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

message: The thing that Voldemort fears most is death. HBP gave me the impression that this is because his mother died while giving birth to him. His remark about her obviously not being a witch because she died in childbirth shows that he sees death as something unnecessary. Does anybody else think this, and if so, should it be included in the article? Benji man 21:28, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: JKR said why his worst fear is death in the MuggleNet/Leaky Cauldron interview. "..He thinks that it's a shameful human weakness..." (from part 2). I think it would be a good idea to include infomation about his worst fear with the infomation about the steps he took to become immortal (the Horcruxes). --WhyBeNormal 07:48, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
I'm amazed it hasn't been included before.  After all, "vol de mort" means "flight from death."  Also, the entire series has done nothing but allude to his desire to achieve immortality.  It was only in book 6 that Rowling solidified the claim. Kakashi-sensei 23:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: Wouldnt that be "the non-dark years" or "the light years" because Voldemort wasn't around? Supersaiyanplough|(talk) 03:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the Dark Years as far as Voldemort was concerned! He was as powerless as possible, while staying just alive enough to know it and suffer. That should have been pretty unpleasant. Sinistro 08:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Dark Years 

message: The introduction mentions that most refer to Voldemort as "He who must not be named."  Would it be worth while to add explicit information about who doesn't?  As far as I can tell, it's Dumbledore and Harry in books 1-5 and add Hermione and Ginny in book 6.  Actually, the latter two are quite jarring as there is no explaination by the characters or the narrator.  It's quite possible that I'm not paying close attention to the books, too. --1pezguy 03:18, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
It is mentioned in the page for Ginny, but not for Hermoine or Dumbledore on a not so careful reading.  --1pezguy 03:23, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
Quirrel also refers to him as Voldemort in book 1  19:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referring to Voldemort as "Voldemort" 

message: if voldemort is Tom Riddle... and Tom Riddle is the son of a which mother and muggle father, then is it not hipocritical for voldemort to hate half-bloods or mudbloods even?? being one himself i mean. as as for his ancestor, salzar slitherin, also one who hates those who are not pure bloods... wouldnt he be ashamed to know that one of his decendants was a muggle lover?? User:70.71.11.42
: First of all, it has already been adressed in the books that he is disgusted with the fact that his father was a muggle and he refused to keep his father's name and even murdered him and his parents. Second of all, if you are going to ask a question that advertizes your ignorance, you could at least use proper grammar to make it seem just a little bit serious. User:67.149.161.230
:: Was it not possible to answer the question with a simple "yes Voldemort displays a certain hypocrisy not uncommon to most pure blood supremacists etc."? TonyJoe 17:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is supposed to also bring to mind Hitler as well, who was despite all he did, he was not German. (Jamandell (d69) 19:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

text: As I recall, Hitler's ancestry is debated by historians.  Some belief that one of his parents (or possibly grandparents) was Jewish, but it isn't certain.  In any case, Hitler himself was not Jewish, even if he was Hebrew.12.17.189.77 15:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hypocrisy 

message: Why is Lord Voldemort in this category? What makes him a psychopath? He may be evil, but is he really psychopathic? --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 18:05, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly because he is manipulative, amoral, and kills gleefully, characteristics of sociopaths? --Maru (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Fictional psychopaths 

message: Lets keep the image please.  There is no need for a fan made image. 63.207.248.188 22:01, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Image 

message: I removed the claim that Voldemort wants to kill all Muggles from the opening paragraph. While he clearly enjoys killing Muggles, never has it been stated that he plans to kill all of them (a task that, given the huge number of Muggles compared to wizards, could be quite impossible). 80.235.61.206 19:21, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killing all Muggles 

message: When I moved from one place to another, I lost a number of DVDs; one of them being Harry Potter & the Chamber of Secrets. RATS! My question is:
"I AM LORD VOLDEMORT" is supposed to be an anagram of
"TOM RIDDLE"          but the letters A-M-L-O-R-V-O are left.
Please tell me what I have forgotten.
:I think you might have forgotten that this is an encyclopaedia. Try turning the page. ;) Peeper 16:24, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Am I missing something? 

message: Voldemort's mother Merope died in childbirth which means that indirectly Voldemort murdered his mother and if you murder someone it splits your soul apart so maybe after his mother died his soul got split when he was just a baby and it was said at the orphanage that he was a very quiet and unusual baby but I could be wrong alot of women die in childbirth and their babies turn out just fine
i think it has to be a direct murder, since with an indirect murder, the murderer did not make a conscious descision to kill him/her. Just a thought. Kordos
:1.  There is a huge difference between consiously committing murder, and a mother dying in childbirth.  It is an even longer stretch to suppose a birthing child could have the will to kill it's mother.
:2. If you are getting to a Horcrux creation issue at his mother's death - the creation of a Horcrux is an intentionally evil act, and must be a fairly complicated magical task, and certainly cannot  be an inadvertent consequence of a death - whether accidental or murderously intentional. T-dot 23:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theory about Voldemort 

message: As far as I remeber she is killed by the Basilisk and not by Voldemort. I haven't got the books myself. Can somebody please check that and change it if I am right.
:She was, but the basilisk had been unleashed and was under the control of Voldemort, so you could make an argument she was killed by both. --Maru  (talk) Contribs 16:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if I put a hungry lion in yout bedroom, then locked the door after you went in, I think that might be considered murder (assuming the lion killed you). So, yes, it is not the instrument but the person arranging events who is the murderer. I recall that he did control the basilisk on acount of being able to speak to it, and release it at will. He later sets it loose again on Harry. In context, it, might still be correct to say she was killed by the basilisk, but also murdered by VoldemortSandpiper 17:38, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Or - if some guy in the neighborhood sics his pit bull on a young child passing by his yard and she dies- you can bet he'll get charged with her murder. T-dot 23:45, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, actually, Voldemort did control the basilisk. When Myrtle was killed, the first Horcrux was created: the diary. Wanna Know My Name? Later 14:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moaning Myrtle killed by Voldemort? 

message: I do have one quick question about the makeup on Ralph Fiennes. His wicked kool snake nose was added digitally, wasn't it? Coz I have an argument with a friend who says that they just compressed his nose down with strong latex. Does anyone have any info to the contrary?
-Kordos
No, I have read an interview with Ralph Fiennes and he discribed his terrifying nose as being done with make up and lighting techniques
ah, thanks so much. i was getting desperate. -Kordos
*Watching the special features on the GoF DVD, the nose and face were mostly digital.  They had dots on Finnes' face, so that the computer artists could track movements and alter his appearance Duke Starhopper 06:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nose 

message: I'm trying to get the Featured Article Drive going again on the HP Wikiproject.  It looks like this article might be a good one to work on. Check out Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Harry_Potter/Improvement#Improvement_Drive, I'd appreciate your input! Ëvilphoenix Burn! 05:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harry Potter featured article drive 

message: Why is  on this article? I don't see a problem with it. Hermione1980 01:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  npov? 

message: Should this  be mentioned in the article? The bumper sticker is here . --Blue387 18:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's funny, I didn't realise I was running for something. --LV (Dark Mark) 18:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Yeah, looks like a humour piece (maybe started by Democrats?). I don't think it's notable enough to be included here. --Deathphoenix 12:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno. I was sent that link a number of times, and I actually saw it around more than twice. --Maru  (talk) Contribs 18:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I am fairly into American politics and Lord Voldemort, and I had never heard of this. Even if I had, would it be encyclopedic? Isn't it just one comic strip and some 8bit merchandising? --LV (Dark Mark) 18:36, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republicans for Voldemort? 

message: Reason i removed it is because the information relates similarly to the introduction, because it takes a factual look on his name, as does the introduction paragraph, the rest takes an in-the-harry-potter-world look at it. Still, it's relevant to be at the start of the article, particularly for those of us who have a look on our mobiles :-) 
Spum 22:48, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On a related point, couldn't "Voldemort" be more Latin than French? And if so, wouldn't it mean not "flight of death" but "will/choice of death"? Vol as in voluntary. Very appropriate, if valid. --Christofurio 00:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would make sense, but as JKR is a French Major, it's more likely to be French than Latin.12.17.189.77 15:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed "Pronunciation" section 

message: Hey, i've been moving things around, and rewriting the article, and it's coming along great guns. Just like to thank everyone who has contributed to the article! Mr Spum 01:40, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coming along nicely! 

message: Voldemort is widely considered one of the most forceful and powerful villain figures in modern children's literature.
Where is this documented? Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs  13:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Common knowledge??? :-) --LV (Dark Mark) 14:35, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Yep, that guideline is pretty much what I meant :-p Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs  15:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources needed 

message: I note someone inserted a line that snape was working for Voldemort when he told him the prophecy. Well, I'm not convinced we can say that. Dumbledore stated that Snape heard half the prophecy, but was then ejected from the building. Sybil trelawney said that he burst in just after she made the prophecy, though in fact she was not aware of making it, only of feeling faint. She had no reason to lie when saying this, but either she or Dumbledore did not tell the story accurately. If Dumbledore's story was true, there is no way she would even have known that snape was present. The implication is that events did not happen the way Dumbledore claimed when speaking to Harry, with the further implication that Snape may have deliberately witheld half the prophecy from Voldemort. Which means he was not working for him at the time.
:Congratulations, you've found one more of the many clues that lead to the possibility that Snape is a good guy, and Dumbledore is alive. Wanna Know My Name? Later 15:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Severus Snape and the prophecy 

message: Newish edit by 65.97.17.55 here. I changed the image back to the proper one. - nathanrdotcom (Talk • Contribs) 03:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've sent a test1 to 65.97.17.55 (talk • contribs • [ page moves] • block user • [ block log]). --Deathphoenix 04:53, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: I do think that LV is actually the father of HP, no matter how much adjustments it will require to the story in the last volume. You will all see that in awe!
:That's not even worth considering. Rowling clearly stated in an interview that whoever thought that was "watching too much star wars". don't post unnecessary information.
Also, noone did notice LV similarities to Hitler? It is claimed AH was very paranoid throughout his life about himself being partially jew and this was his reason for the intense persecution of the jewry. 195.70.32.136 12:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we will. However, if you want more people to read (and respond to) your speculation, you should try posting your theories to a fan forum. You will get more responses there. Wikipedia is NOT a fan forum. --Deathphoenix 13:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe he was referring to me, the editor? Although he could have just asked me on my talk page. ;-) --LV (Dark Mark) 21:59, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luke, I am your father! 

message: Don't know who failed it but they didn't give a reason and I think it meets the standards. savidan(talk) (e@) 11:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA

message: Probably right that it's GA, but only just :-) There's a lot of things here that really need referencing, e.g. "Characters seem less uncomfortable hearing Voldemort's name in the films than in the books." Is the only reference used other than the books a Time magazine article? Does that mean that anything in this article which is not a simple recounting of events (i.e. any piece of character analysis, and any discussion about the creative process behind the character, as well as anything here about the film) comes from that source? That would suggest it's under-referenced at the moment. Also, you need to be aware of WP:FICT if you are writing about fiction. Most of the article seems to be written about the HP Universe - there is an adage in Wikipedia that we should take care to "describe this Universe"! As such, it doesn't really meet the standards laid out at WP:FICT. What really should make this an encylopedic article would be more consideration of character analysis and development, and the authorial process. Maybe even something from the actor about how he decided to play LV, and why - and all of this would need to be sourced, whether from interviews, reviews or (and there is plenty around) academic or literary criticism of the Harry Potter canon.
Some ideas that could help:
*Try to write from a point of view outside the perspective of the fictional universe.
*Can you include details about the process of authorship? How did JKR get the ideas behind this character? What did she base him on? How original is the idea? Did she base him on another character, or has she made no comment about this?
*What has the influence of LV been outside his particular fictional realm? Have any other writers professed to "adapting" ideas like this for their books, TV shows, or films? What about merchandising, a very economically valuable and materially significant aspect of LV's incursion into reality!
*What has critical response been to the character? Are there reviewers who think he is too scary for children? Not scary enough? How big do critics find the difference between LV in the book and the films? Does LV have a fan base of his own?
To help the writers of this article along, here are 3 really useful links:
*User:Uncle G/Describe this universe (Gives the right philosophy for writing about fiction in WP: Describe this universe! Keep that at the centre of all your writing on this topic and you'll be fine.)
*Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles#Check your fiction (pretty much the official guide on what is required of articles about fiction. Helpful but a bit dry!)
*User:BrianSmithson/Writing about fiction (Funny and useful! A must-read for anyone writing about fiction on Wikipedia... I guarantee you will find it helpful.)
There is plenty of good work in this article, but at the moment it reads too much like a selective plot sample, and I'd rank it only as a marginal/dodgy GA. If it can be fleshed out, made a bit more three-dimensional, critical and classically "encylopedic", and could be given a wider variety of references - interviews, critical reviews, newspaper and magazine articles, even fansites (for the purpose of ascertaining what fans' reactions to LV are, not for verifying facts about LV himself!) - then I think it would have a great chance at FAC! TheGrappler 00:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree.  The points made also apply to most Harry Potter articles. SmokeyJoe 23:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Only just!

message: Does anybody else here think that this article could become a featured article now? --Aeon 04:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a chance. They'll do you over on real-world significance and references, and they don't really like the in situ approach of treating a fictional character as real. --maru   (talk)  contribs 21:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  to bad.....oh well.  Aeon 02:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Try Again for Feature Article?