Talk:Prussian Blue (duo)/Archive 1

message: See Also:
*Holocaust denial
*Zyklon B
*Neo Nazi
Not nuetral? i say bullshit! thats damn nuetral.
-nightpotato
--Wiki Tiki God 20:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: since the images were fair use and some were on Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion, I removed all but one. -Nv8200p (talk) 17:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'll give you Holocaust denial and Neo-Nazi, but Zyklon B?  The girls deny the holocaust, and they identify as Nazis, but they themselves haven't used Zyklon B.  Yes, they're misguided about Hitler, and yes, they're racists.  But that falls under the category of Neo-Nazi, and to reference it directly is just an attack on them, the definition of an NPoV violation.   64.209.127.213 17:41, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Their name relates to a contravercy that is fully fleshed out on the Zyklon B page. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

text: The quote at the bottom should also be removed--it's from a humor article on Something Awful. 22:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuff to add/remove when the article is no longer protected 

message: I take issue with this:
"(It should be noted that the girls' father feels it is a demonstration of the power of freedom of speech that he is allowed to use the swastika for his cattle brand.)"
I'm unclear as to why this is included;  it is a demonstration of the power of freedom of speech, that's fairly obvious.  He's not saying that's the reason why he registered it.
(above comment by User:64.209.125.2)
:I agree, so I've gone ahead and removed it.  It's not clear why it "should be noted", or what this is trying to say. --Delirium 03:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of the father's choice of cattle brand 

message: I move that this page be erased! Nazis:screw you!
I share the sentiment that these stupid racists do not deserve much dignity but that's no reason to vandalize this article... Anyhow, the article should get some temporary protection to stop the vandalism. I may be missing something here but I do believe only admins can protect a page, so please admins, do. Michael Sappir 21:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This shouldn't be deleted or vandalized, the news about these folks needs to spread far and wide.  The fact that racism is still alive and well in America isn't something that should be swept under the carpet.  You can't fight something that you can't see.  Wow, only in America 35.11.183.82 21:26, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

text: It needs protection because there is one anon IP consistantly reverting to their POV edits as well as other anon IP's defacing the page... no admin wants to spend all day reverting these jokers.--Isotope23 01:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Well, since this pretty much signs the death warrant for them, I guess there should be no further questions as to the intent of people who are directed here by the link posted in that thread? This, neo-nazi retards, is how Jewish media works. Hilarious. (Forgive my crude language, please. It was too funny to pass up.) -- Миборовский U|T|C|E 23:35, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I've referred it to 3rr. The vandal repeatedly blanked/removed supported content. Wyss 22:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  STOP THE MADNESS! 

message: I feel there are too many photos in the article of this size. Two is enough for this size, I think...maybe three. I feel it's getting a little cluttered, and the two new pics of the group don't contribute as much informatively. The pic of the duo playing their instruments is good, I feel. The "Happy Hitler" shirts do express their beliefs, and clearly show what the duo looks like. The other two just show what they look like, and that's already been established in the "Happy Hitler" pic, but I think its OK to keep one of 'em anyway, probably (if it were me, I'd maybe keep the smaller one and move it up to where the bigger one is...the placement of the duo singing bothers me, because it pushes the lyrics at a uncomfortable reading level, so I'd move that to where the smaller one is at now).  Shadowolf 09:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Just wondering why it was removed.
I know on the official forums there is:
(QUOTE)
I changed it to a form more favorable to Prussian Blue and more in accordance with the facts. I got rid of all the obscenities. I deleted a gratuitous link to the anti-Prussian Blue Blog and replaced it with a link to the official Prussian Blue Blog. I also added links for this forum and to my Prussian Blue fan page. I added a link, also, to the music segment I made of PB's chorus from The Stranger.
)END(
Doesn't seem like the reason it was removed was exactly NPOV.
Jerry Abbott said > The reason the anti-Prussian Blue blog exists is partisan; it is run by people who are hostile to the politics of the Gaedes.  The Official Prussian Blue Blog is a family project, which mostly concerns what the girls are doing, which song they are working on, when their next album will be released, and where the family went on vacation.  The politics on the Official Prussian Blue Blog is at a low level.  Compare that with the politics on the anti-Prussian Blue blog, which is much more intense, critical, and often false.  Many of you hereabouts don't seem to know what "neutral" means.  That might explain why, when I first arrived here, the Wikipedia article on Prussian Blue asserted that these two 13-year-old girls were whores who engaged in obscene acts in exchange for crack cocaine.  I was the one who changed that.  It certainly wasn't any of you.
And for the guys on the PB forums, no, Wikipedia is not a "Jewish media" site. Eztli 01:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this was fast turning into a neo-nazi advertisement campaign before it got "protected". Oh and I think Eztli meant NPOV instead of POV. :D -- Миборовский U|T|C|E 01:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever one thinks about special interest cabals in the US news media, ABC is considered a credible secondary source and is thus appropriate to cite. While some readers may decide this makes WP part of the cabal, experienced editors usually learn that WP readers are rather adept at picking out bias and spin, whatever the source. Wyss 14:59, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Prussian Blue blog? 

message: Why has this page been protected so long just because of a minor vandal problem? Trelyon (talk) 16:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it was a "minor vandal" problem. From the recent histroy, a vandal using changing IPs kept vandalizing the page. The protection was appropriate. Acalamari 17:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I too am disappointed this page is protected.  I have numerous comments I would take some delight in adding to it.  And I'm sure they would additionally be of great interest to others.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.100.82.191 (talk) 04:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is no longer a hype for this band.  They haven't done anything worth noting and the initial "shock" value they created has long since died down.  If anything, this page should be deleted.  These girls are only known by maybe a dozen people, if that.  The little media cover that they were exposed to are probably lining bird cages in some basement in Africa somewhere.  That RuneScape player "Zezima" garners far far more attention than this band yet he doesn't have his own personal page. (Theundertower (talk) 04:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, notability doesn't expire. You can take it to WP:AFD if you wish to have the article deleted. See ya. Nice name btw. the_undertow talk 05:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

text: As you can see here this article still averages 200-400 hits a day. And as for Zezima, if you think it deserves to be more than just a redirect to RuneScape (which it currently is) then why don't you create an article for it?. Although, as you can see here it rarely gets over 200 hits in a day. Either way it has nothing to do with this article. And this article was nominated for deletion just last month and the result was speedy keep. For An Angel (talk) 05:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but you should note that the reason for the speedy keep was because the nominator was acting in bad faith & harassing the voters.  If there had been a good faith nomination it's quite possible the deletion would have been approved.  I'm an inclusionist by nature so I won't be nominating it or voting for deletion.  I'm just saying that you shouldn't give the previous afd as an example of the page's notability; the speedy keep was per bad faith nomination & had little to do with article notability.  Cheers, Kasreyn (talk) 07:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the ongoing notability of the group, I just checked a newspaper archive and found four mentions from 2007, one of them fairly substantial (about the family's move to Wyoming where the almost all-white neighbors "told them flatly that they weren't wanted"). The other three were reviews of a TV documentary about the band that aired in the U.K titled "Nazi Pop Twins".  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 19:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the page should be deleted - I only ever visit it to show their pictures the middle finger.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.192.11 (talk) 22:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And just because of You, 86.168.192.11 and simmilar folks, this page should not be deleted.77.46.244.182 (talk) 00:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection?

message: Although it looks like most of the worst bunchanumbers edit war got repaired, I noticed the phrase "The second, Nazi Pop Twins, an anti-white video,by James Quinn" was over looked. I went ahead and changed it back to The second, Nazi Pop Twins,by James Quinn, in the absence of any support. Hope it's not a problem Karma Konstable (talk) 02:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaning up after the storm

message: It may be too POV for the article, but there should be a way to mention this: regardless of their message, these girls just can't SING. Their act sounds like a cross between Karioke night at Chuck E. Cheese and a junior high school open mike. Are there any musical critiques to link to that mention this? 65.89.68.24 (talk) 04:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem

message: FYI: The "official" Prussian colors were Black and White. Not much potential here for racism... 
>>> Prussia
GoreSplatter (talk) 22:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now look which country had Prussian Blue uniforms for their military https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_of_the_Union_Army and yes, it is a technical term for a certain color tone.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:490E:246:9D7F:A7DA:61A2:C817 (talk) 20:48, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Prussian ''Blue''?!

message: See . There absolutely, absolutely needs to be a disambiguation between the three. The other two bands are not racist at all and if people come to Wikipedia to look for information on one of the other Prussian Blues, they might get the impression that we are trying to smear them as racist. Which we are obviously not trying to do, but we need to remain on the safe side. Would someone who knows how to do it, please create a disambiguation ASAP.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.99.104.234 (talk) 01:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's currently a disambig. between the racist duo and the color, but not for the other two bands. Are these bands notable enough on their own to warrant their own articles (and a spot on the disambig.), or are they only notable because they share a name with this group? 68.57.50.6 (talk) 12:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, you've mentioned that there's already a disambiguation page between this band and the color? Ahh, if there is one, is it functioning normally? The reason why I ask is because I tried searching for the color, "Prussian blue", but I capitalized the B in blue, typing in "Prussian Blue", and it brought me here straight here instead of any disambiguation page. I'm just wondering because that doesn't seem normal; I thought that normally it should bring me to a disambiguation page? Let me tell you, I was just expecting to read the article on the color, not this. . . very unsettling article here instead. Also, I'm sorry ahead of time if this comment/question is out of place, if it is, please let me know. Thank you!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by FelixtheMagnificent (talk • contribs) 14:31, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: There are three bands called Prussian Blue

message: They were featured on a program with louis theroux. Is that relevent? the program was abou naziism is america.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.79.43 (talk) 02:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louios Theroux 

message: The text mentioned health problems but the link (http://thewhiterealist.net/showthread.php?t=22253) seems to not work any more. I hope the girls are fine! 92.192.6.152 (talk) 07:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: health problems?

message: WHY DO YOU LIE ABOUT THEM?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.255.231 (talk) 16:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and pray tell, what would you call them? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 17:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  As I understand it, they call themselves nationalists, not supremacists.  Seems to me we should do the same. Phiwum (talk) 21:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, but then it also needs a statement as to what they are called, not only what they call themselves. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 22:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  What they are called by whom? I've seen your edits and they seem fairly reasonable to me.  The only (minor) problem is that neither citation says the twins are supremacists, but the second citation says that they are (were?) very popular among supremacists. Phiwum (talk) 02:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

text: we are not defaming, we are reporting, and yes, the second source says supremacist. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 01:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Read it. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 14:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT SUPREMACIST 

message: not germans  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.116.140 (talk) 01:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prussians are Lithuanians 

message: Listen, I am glad these girls have renounced to their previous racist, hate speech ideologies. No one has the right to discriminate against a different race or skin color. That simply doesn't deserve any discussion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.100.91.154 (talk) 16:41, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am glad they are not White Nationalists any more 

message: I just checked the article to see what it states about their alleged Holocaust denial. The reference appears to the second to last paragraph of the article; they don't explicitly deny the Holocaust, and seem to implicitly accept it, but in either case, it is too vague for this article to credibly make a statement either way without being unfair to the girls. I recommend alteration.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.142.48.96 (talk) 12:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference #7 - Holocaust denial Error 

message: An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: "Despite this, they still made statements skeptical of elements of the Holocaust.[7]"
This is speculation and should be removed from the article.  Wikipedia is supposed to be an Encyclopedia-like documentation of things, not a forum to make off-collar statements regarding what this or that individual may have said that raises doubt in the minds of a writer.  The entire article is somewhat messed up, to be franc, the girls were so young when their act began it was obviously based on something they'd been raised to believe.
This Wikipedia article is like a bulls eye with a big black target on their lives, and instead of documenting a time of their lives that they both feel is no longer relevant, it continues to paint them in this light or another.  Even the "legitimate" edits and documentation in regards to this or that is in bad taste.  Wikipedia is supposed to be "the free Encyclopedia that anyone can edit," but it seems like this page (among others) is more used by certain personal interests with their own agendas and there is too much bias. -70.66.90.57 (talk) 15:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: People love to judge these young girls and make them societal outcasts for life over their forced upbringing. Doesn't matter now that they have developed enough cognitively to think for themselves and reject their parents views that were forced upon them. They're victim blamers. JanderVK (talk) 18:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing mention of "ideas." 

message: Found this article which updates the lives of the twins and how (apparently) marijuana saved them from their racist ways.  Maybe someone can find something appropriate to add to the article. Phiwum (talk) 03:09, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012 article 

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