Talk:Gil Student

message: Scanning the article, I see statements that Gil Student Modern Orthodox. However, some statements attributed to Gil Student sound like Student is Haredi. In particular, Student attends Haredi synagogues, not modern synagogues. Was he for a time Modern, then switched to Haredi? Does he straddle? I wish I would see in the article a simple and clear statement about where he stands.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indinfer (talk • contribs) 16:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's one single clear test that can be applied to delineate between MO and Haredi, so your request is just about impossible. --Bachrach44 (talk) 17:25, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Gil Student Haredi or Modern? 

message: Hello, I have written a totally new article. I had not known about the previous "goings on" about this person. I am fully certain that this person is notable enough to have an article about him in Wikipedia (I can cite many cases of far less notable rabbis or persons who have their own articles if need be!) Gil Student has written, and continues to publish, much that has gained a lot of attention from many quarters and his name continues to be associated with a number of important controversies that deal with modern-day Jewish life, particularly as relating to Modern Orthodox Judaism; Orthodox Judaism; Haredi Judaism; and  Hasidic Judaism. Thank you. IZAK
:P.S. I would like to make it VERY clear: I am not an "admirer" of Gil Student. I do not know him personally and I have  never met him. It is also immaterial that someone spoke to him and that Gil Student allegedly claims that he "does not deserve" an article on Wikipedia (some people are modest by nature). The stark fact remains, that almost anyone who has read about the controversies surrounding Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson or Rabbi Natan Slifkin, or has read about some of the controversies surrounding the Talmud and it's views on Jesus has in all probability read or learned from, and even utilized, what Gil Student has written. To sum up, at this stage of the game, the "public" Gil Student, especially the one who writes so much on the Internet is a famous enough and noteworthy person by now, and there is absolutely no reason to delete or ban an article about him from Wikipedia for any reason whatsoever. IZAK 11:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article 

message: Rabbi Student is an alumnus of Frisch High School?  Of what possible relevance is this? Jayjg (talk) 04:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it should go. IZAK 04:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

text: His education has influenced his thinking, see http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2005_12_01_hirhurim_archive.html and the section that starts off with     "Thank God for the Modern Orthodox World" where he writes "Looking back now in my post-BT days to my pre-BT days, many years ago, it seems that I had two major questions on Orthodoxy that I had assembled during my nine years of Solomon Schechter elementary education. They had nothing to do with biblical criticism, which I had been taught with my aleph beis (actually, aleph bet), because I had never bought into the whole enterprise. The questions were on the authenticity of the Oral Torah, and they were killer questions:" --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 17:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frisch High School? 

message: I'm not sure why this designation was removed.  Is the assertion here that he is also the current Lubavitcher Rebbe? Jayjg (talk) 22:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes Lubavitcher Chassidim consider him to still be leading them, much like the Breslover Chassidim still consider Rabbi Nachman of Breslav to be their Rebbe. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 04:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: "last" will be fine. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 15:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "former" Lubavitcher Rebbe 

message: How about critques on Gil and some of his methods?  Like the famous letter by the famous tzadik and talmid chochom of note, Dr. Stern?  I think this is relevant--or at least as relevant of so-called controversies surrounding individuals like Rav Eliashiv. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidCharlesII (talk • contribs) 
To clarify, wikipedia is not the place to do a critique of anyone. (Wikipedia has a policy against original research, which would include your own review of any subject, either positive or negative). However, since Student is no stranger to controversy, mentioning some of the people who have crticized him in public forums and their arguments would not be out of the scope of the article. I'm not familiar with the letter or person in question who you're mentioning, but if you can find sources for things, feel free to add to try and improve the article. --Bachrach44 15:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: critiques

message: Your improvements are terrific, thank you very much. Lobojo (talk) 02:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Lobojo!  I've moved your comment from the article page to here though, I think that's what you intended : ) --MPerel  03:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nice work MPerel

message: If the subject of the article self-edits the article, it raises concerns of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest policy. Especially since the edit is deleting undisputed information contained herein. I'm not sure why this would be "whitewashed", but this is factual information that, as Alansohn pointed out on talk , may be useful in understanding the background of the subject and the influence on the subjects personal views and upbringing. I can't understand why publishing this may irk him, but that certainly is no reason to remove it.
I don't know if theres a pattern, as there was some concern raised on the delete vote for this article that the subject made a blog post requesting people to come to Wikipedia to vote for him for Wikipedia to maintain this article, but this article should maintain factual information regarding subjects graduate information from Solomon Schechter elementary school.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homehouse (talk • contribs) 16:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Another concern here is that this information regarding Gil's affiliation with Solomon Schechter elementary school was deleted anonymously at least twice previously (on May 8th and Dec. 27th) before Gil identified himself removing this undisputed information. Without prejudging if Gil made these deletions himself anonymously (even though the last one was not long before he identified himself), we should be clear about "Declaring an interest" from the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest policy. Homehouse (talk) 17:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Gil, Just to help us understand your point, what is the import of your correspondence with any of various known personalities you mention above? (I assume they correspond with many people frequently...) 24.184.55.85 (talk) 01:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just random thinking of "verifiable" material. You're probably right that they aren't relevant.Gstudent (talk) 02:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that you went a certain elementary school would not usually go in an article, my assumption is that someody put it in there because they thought that you being an Orthodox rabbi who attended a conservative school was interesting. I don't whether it belongs. Lobojo (talk) 16:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen it go both ways. It probably depends on who the personality is and whether it may have relevance on his outlook (or upbringing). In the case of a Rabbi it would appear to be more relevant than say an actor.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.77.206.228 (talk) 14:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-Editing Article (removing information) 

message: I found the mention that he "declined to run an ad" pretty much incomprehensible and irrelevant. Is there at least a source for this bit of trivia? MikeR613 (talk) 16:04, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Letter to a Christian Nation 

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