Talk:Kennedy curse

message: ???? Ginger Hair???? Why would this be a curse?
I can see why some of these, like cancer diagnoses or plane crashes can be categorized as curses, but I'm wondering why things like Joseph P. Kennedy II's jeep crash and Michael Skakel's murder conviction are listed as curses.  Seems to me these are just run of the mill cases of wreckless behavior and people behaving with deliberate stupidity.24.60.184.196 01:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Your personal disgust with bad behavior is affecting your understanding of the purpose of the article. Michael Kennedy's inappropriate sexual behavior is not part of the "curse". His accidental death at a young age is the "curse". We don't remove something simply because of your personal opinion (or anyone's opinion) about the person's behavior. A number of members of the Kennedy family (including JFK) behaved inappropriately. We don't remove their entries because that behavior is not part of the "curse". Sundayclose (talk) 16:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm referring to William Kennedy, only bringing up Michael Kennedy because his behavior isn't mentioned here as an example of the curse and it feels like a double standard. Why is William Kennedy raping someone else on here at all??? That's the point I was trying to make and I apologize for the confusion. TariffedSparrow 06:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Curses vs. Stupid Behavior 

message: Because people DIE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.32.224.70 (talk) 03:08, 21 December 2008
She died of cancer in her mid-60s. What part of that is a curse? --Crunch (talk) 22:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Why isn't Jackie's Death listed?

message: This needs references. I think I botched the formatting a few times.Tmcw 00:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: What about mentioning the fact that Kathleen Kennedy's father-in-law, Edward Cavendish, 10th Duke of Devonshire died in the presence of John Bodkin Adams?
:He suffered a heart attack on 26 November 1950 while in Eastbourne, England. He was tended by his general practitioner, John Bodkin Adams, the suspected serial killer, and died in his presence. Despite the fact that the duke had not seen a doctor in the 14 days before his death, the coroner was not notified as he should have been. Adams signed the death certificate stating that the Duke died of natural causes. 13 days earlier, Mrs Edith Alice Morrell - another patient of Adams - had also died. Adams was tried in 1957 for her murder but acquitted in controversial circumstances. Home office pathologist Francis Camps linked Adams to 163 suspicious deaths in total.  Malick78 11:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kathleen Kennedy's father-in-law

message: If Christina Onassis was not included as part of "The Kennedy curse" because she is not a Kennedy, then why was Anthony Onassis included?? --Sli723 Sli723 00:43 & 02:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christina Onassis 

message: === Coincidence ===
"coincidence theory" link is incorrect -- points to a math article, not a theory of the ubiquity of coincidences as expected —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninjagecko (talk • contribs) 04:59, 5 June 2007
: You can't be serious. This article has nothing to do in the real world???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mily22 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 13 June 2007
:  I revised the lk to point an arguably applicable article. (Note however, that this lk surely should be used in-line somewhere and the "See also" secn eliminated.)
: BTW, the markup was Coincidence theory, so unless there were intervening edits, the source may have been vandalistic intent rather than carelessness. --Jerzy•t 21:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stuff to Fix

message: "coincidence theory" link is incorrect -- points to a math article, not a theory of the ubiquity of coincidences as expected —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninjagecko (talk • contribs) 04:59, 5 June 2007
: You can't be serious. This article has nothing to do in the real world???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mily22 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 13 June 2007
:  I revised the lk to point an arguably applicable article. (Note however, that this lk surely should be used in-line somewhere and the "See also" secn eliminated.)
: BTW, the markup was Coincidence theory, so unless there were intervening edits, the source may have been vandalistic intent rather than carelessness. --Jerzy•t 21:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coincidence 

message: It is quite out of the ordinary that such a page like this can exist in such a form. How does this in anyway relate to the paranormal? There is no reference of the actual curse that was apparently put of Joe P Kennedy which turned out much later to be nothing more than a story. This was later picked up by some in the media and applied to the uncommon tragedies that have occured within this Kennedy family. However tragedies themselves are subject to definition of the very word, this page has not defined what it believes constitutes a tragedy nor is there any justification for a 'curse' to be anymore deserving of anything more than a stub page with a few lines rather than this all-out sensationalist article that even lists people with the smallest connection the to the particular Kennedy family under discussion. Is it any wonder that the events of 1963 in Dallas go un-investigated in many respects when people concentrate time on building tragedies almost worthy of Shakespear! (Unitedirishman07 16/11/07)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Unitedirishman07 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 17 November 2007
Why is Ted Kennedy's cancer included?  He is old...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.32.224.70 (talk) 08:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poorly Researched and Sensationalist 

message: IMO,
:Most famously, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963. Previously, his older brother Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. was killed (in a plane explosion) on a special mission toward occupied Europe in World War II. His brother, Robert F. Kennedy, was assassinated in 1968, while campaigning for the Democratic nomination for the presidency.
:Prior to that, the late president's sister Kathleen was killed in a plane crash. Later, in the 1980s and 1990s, 2 of Robert Kennedy's 11 children, Michael Kennedy and David Kennedy, as well as JFK's only surviving son, John F. Kennedy, Jr., would each die at relatively young ages.
in Kennedy family was too much detail there that duplicates this article instead of summarizing it. I don't know if it is already covered adequately here.--Jerzy•t 04:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material moved from Kennedy family 

message: Unnatural acts such as plane crashes could possibly, be interpreted as, a 'curse'. But an old man in his late 70s getting cancer, following an 81 year old dying, cannot be considered anything but a natural death. How is dying at 81 being cursed? It's six years over the life expectancy, and cannot be considered evidence of a curse. If you want to list every death of the huge Kennedy family here, just post all their deaths and call it the Kennedy's obituary. If we're going to talk about the curse, keep it to unnatural or untimely deaths, not the death of someone past the life expectancy. I'm moving the old men to 'disbelief' article. I'm sure an occasional retarded kid or kid with bone cancer isn't uncommon in a huge family such as the Kennedys, but figure out their total size and whether or not those two numbers are on par with the average.
TheJoak (talk) 08:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As per the above, I've completely deleted any mention of Ted Kennedy's death from a brain tumor. He was 77! How is living to 77 a "curse"? If anything him surviving two near-death experiences (the 1964 plane crash and Chappaquiddick) is evidence of a "Kennedy blessing"! YLee (talk) 06:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While living to 77 with a brain tumor can be consideded a "curse", there's nothing supernatural about it. It's just a fact of life! --Auric (talk) 17:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Not everyone gets brain tumors, but everyone dies, many in their late 70s, and many of those from cancer. There is nothing curse-like about it. --Crunch (talk) 23:08, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Plenty of 70-year-olds develop and die from cancer. It's much less likely that a young child would develop cancer and have to have a leg amputated, which is why many people attribute it to bad luck/the "Curse". This is the same reason why Patrick Bouvier Kennedy's death two days after being born is commonly considered part of the Curse, whereas Jackie Onassis's death at age 64 isn't. 98.192.174.178 (talk) 21:16, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absolutely Ridiculous 

message: I can understand listing secondary events that some may consider to be part of the curse, but Eunice died of natural causes and no one in their right mind could consider that part of a curse, secondary or not.  As a result I am deleting that entry. (173.2.225.105 (talk) 17:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree; this article seems like a high-value OR and POV target.  Close attention needs to be paid to additions, which should stand the rigors of WP:OR and WP:NPOV.  (As if a "curse" is in any way encyclopedic...) //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and deleted the "secondary events" section completely. The existence of this article is justifiable given the mentions in reliable sources of a "Kennedy curse" (if only to debunk it), but this section was completely unjustifiable. A skiing accident? The William Kennedy Smith trial? (If anything, the fact that the guy was acquitted despite the circumstances of the case and Smith's behavior implies the existence of a "Kennedy blessing"!) YLee (talk) 02:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work. I'd just as soon see the whole thing gone, but, y'know. --jpgordon::==( o ) 20:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secondary events 

message: I'd like to argue that maybe David Kennedy's death was not a curse but perhaps a fairly normal effect of combining large quantities of cocaine and painkillers.  As this is a fairly normal effect perhaps it should be removed from the list of things which make up "the curse."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katicli (talk • contribs) 22:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps your personal opinion, as well as anyone else's, should be irrelevant here. Every entry should have a reliable source associating the event in question with something called a "Kennedy curse", or should not be here. --jpgordon::==( o ) 03:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Kennedy 

message: Can someone explain to me why Jacqueline Kennedy suffering a miscarriage is considered a curse?  Pregnant women have miscarriages all the time.  I suggest this be deleted.  (Actually I suggest the whole article be deleted, since it's based on a not-easily definable set of criteria, but that's another issue). --Crunch (talk) 23:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We report what reliable sources print. 207.69.140.51 (talk) 23:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I have removed the information about the stillbirth of Arabella. I'm not sure this is the same case, but the argument still applies. It is not uncommon.--Jack Upland (talk) 20:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jacqueline Kennedy Miscarriage 

message: Why is a man suffering a stroke at age 73 considered a curse, especially someone like Kennedy who smoked and drank heavily which are contributing factors to stroke?  Please explain or delete. --Crunch (talk) 23:06, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially 50 years ago, indeed. But see, that's the problem with this awful article; the decision to include or exclude someone from the list seems to be mostly individual opinion. --jpgordon::==( o ) 22:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

text: But it is not up to us to define a "curse". When reliable sources have consistantly used the term to describe the events that happened, we follow the sources. -- The Red Pen of Doom 22:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was responding to your more general statement: "The notion of what constitutes a "curse" seems impossible to define" than to any particulars about what should and should not be included. -- The Red Pen of Doom 00:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joseph P. Kennedy Stroke 

message: I understand that dying at age 77 is nothing unusual, but brain cancer is definitely worth listing as part of the "curse." I've heard of people categorizing plane crashes as "nothing unusual" as well yet JFK Jr's. death is in this group. (MHB210 (talk) 08:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Cancer is the second most-common cause of death among Americans of Kennedy's age. There's nothing particularly unusual about it. By contrast, plane crashes are quite rare. YLee (talk) 09:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the fact, that he died just less than two weeks after his sister ? LogicBloke (talk) 16:45, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

text: 88 isn't that old. Turtles for example can live to be over 150. Anything that lives for less time than its ultimate potential is a tragedy. I for example, will only live to be about 76. Cursed, perhaps. Tragic, certainly. -Stevertigo 18:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

text: There's nothing particularly horrific (or "cursey") about a brain tumor as opposed to one in the lungs, bone marrow, liver, or anywhere else. For a man of Kennedy's age, there is no "good cancer." Again, this is not unusual in any way. YLee (talk) 07:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

text: "credible curse believers"? sheesh. --jpgordon::==( o ) 15:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree. Ted's death should not be included. Otherwise we would list everyone who died in their old age.--Jack Upland (talk) 19:56, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ted Kennedy 

message: This is listed as part of the "Kennedy Curse" and a tragedy. But I don't see how it's a Kennedy family tragedy - he walked away from a car wreck and what is at least manslaughter without a scratch and had a long and (in his view) successful public career. I suggest removing the reference, or moving it to a page about the "Kopecne" curse24.130.56.92 (talk) 03:22, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what matters is that sources have linked this to the Kennedy Curse. In reality, the curse doesn't exist.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:34, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ted Kennedy/Chappaquiddik

message: Reading the article, I noticed I had to keep going all the time to other articles to discover who is who and what the family relationships are. Perhaps most readers are knowledgeable about the details of the Kennedy family, but I for one am not, for example, I did not know who Rosemary Kennedy, Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr., Kathleen Cavendish, David Kennedy, William Kennedy Smith, and Michael LeMoyne Kennedy were or are and how they were related to JFK and others mentioned, and the article did not tell. I suppose I'm not the only ignorant reader and that there are others, in particular readers who did not grow up in the USA. Therefore, to spare such other readers the effort I had to go through – which did not make for a smooth reading experience – I added the most essential family relationships to the article. However, this was soon reverted, with the argument: People who want the exact relationship can read individual members' articles. Yes, and that was the whole point; of course they can, but do they have to in order to be able to follow this article? We also write
:"Castelnuovo della Daunia is a town and comune in the province of Foggia in the Apulia region of southeast Italy",
and not just
:"Castelnuovo della Daunia is a town and comune in the province of Foggia",
using the argument that people who want to know where the Foggia that is can read the article.
Other opinions? Unless a consensus emerges that the article is better off without indication of the family relationships, I will re-revert.  --Lambiam 18:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm late to the discussion, but believe that the family relationships do not belong in the article.
** They are redundant. We do not need to read a dozen times that so and so is a cousin/nephew/sister/child of John F. Kennedy. Given that the article is about the Kennedy family, the fact that everyone mentioned is related to or has some connection to JFK and other Kennedys is a given. In the Italy example, it is appropriate in a single entry with no previous context to indicate a city's country. By contrast, List of cities in Italy by population does not bother to mention after each entry that it is in Italy.
** Speaking of JFK, why should he be the focal point? It seems to me to be verging on WP:OR to arbitrarily choose him and not Robert F. Kennedy, who was also assassinated, or Joseph P. Kennedy, the family patriarch, or Ted Kennedy, who served in the Senate for more than three times as long as his brothers put together and for more than 30 years was the last surviving, nationally prominent member of the core Kennedy family.
If people want to know the exact nature of an entry's relation to the other members of the Kennedy family, they should indeed read the specific article and/or Kennedy family, which explains the relationships in detail. This article is not the place to provide such information unless it is relevant to discussing the "curse" in some way. YLee (talk) 23:26, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

text: I agree with the original poster. It's particularly confusing in the case of Martha Moxley.--Jack Upland (talk) 17:00, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family relationships 

message: The dates are sometimes that of the birth and some of the death, why are they so inconsistent. --Iankap99 (talk) 00:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you cite the examples?--Wlmg (talk) 00:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, my mistake, Ted Kennedy just in'st listing his tumor.--Iankap99 (talk) 00:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would doubt Ted Kennedy's tumor would qualify as inclusion under the "Kennedy Curse". He already lived an average-length lifespan at the time of the tumor. I'll look for a WP:RS anyways. --Wlmg (talk) 01:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates Inconsistent 

message: The text quotes that "J.F.K was assassinated at Dallas, by Oswald etc. I propose to remove the latter part, as nobody in his right mind believes that he actually was murdered by Lee Harvey Oswald...--Alexandre Rongellion (talk) 01:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What you propose is problematic as it would introduce conspiracy theories on the JFK assassination. There are other wikipedia pages for that, and this page is specifically about the "Kennedy Curse". --Wlmg (talk) 03:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

text: No. TaintedMustard (talk) 23:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is currently a paragraph about the assassination which gives weight to the conspiracy theory. I don't think this is necessary.--Jack Upland (talk) 00:21, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  John K' assassination 

message: I think this entire ridiculous article should be deleted, and everyone involved in its creation and expansion should hang their heads in shame for believing in stone-age superstitious nonsense. A bunch of people in a family died over a period of time. It's called coincidence. It's also called life. Sd31263 (talk) 16:38, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree totally, Sd. We should not give respectability to a non-topic that generates such vacuous claims. Valetude (talk) 19:02, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right about the curse, but that's no reason to delete the article. The Bermuda Triangle is also nonsense, but we have an article about it.--Jack Upland (talk) 17:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. The articles are about the concepts, which, as concepts, are undeniable realities. The articles do not say that there is any reality to the metaphysical events claimed in these concepts. But I have to go further in saying that to call the metaphysical "nonsense", "vacuous", and so on, based on nothing but preconceived opinion is utterly unscientific in itself. 92.218.236.35 (talk) 13:50, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete this article now 

message: "preventable reckless choices like...choosing such relatively dangerous careers as military service or politics."
I know we aren't trying to promote the idea of an actual curse here, but this is just ridiculous.
"Many of the tragedies" also seems inaccurate, seeing as only a few or even one are attributed to the listed causes.
What seems in order is a rewrite of the first paragraph to be one that is not actively going out of its way to debunk the supposed "curse", but one that simply makes note of the number of unusual tragedies associated with the family and the idea of a curse. Most readers will know on their own that curses are a superstition. 165.134.208.176 (talk) 22:33, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you see something wrong, YOU CAN FIX IT! You may wish to write a "proposed draft" of your new lead and post it in a subsection below for comments. And then after getting any feedback, move it to the article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 22:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-neutral text 

message: The newest addition to this list is 'Mary Richardson Kennedy hanged herself on the grounds of her home located in Bedford, Westchester County, New York.' Anyone who follows that link will see that Mary Richardson Kennedy is not notable enough to have her own Wikipedia article. Should she really be included? Yes, it's true her death was reported by the media as being part of the 'Kennedy curse', but it's also clear by this point that the 'curse' story has become self-perpetuating. Mary Kennedy was an obscure figure - her death wouldn't even have been reported if she had been married to anybody else, it was simply the fact that she had been married to a Kennedy, and so could be claimed as part of the alleged 'curse', that made it worth reporting. By including her here, we're only encouraging the media tendency to jump on any misfortune affecting someone with the surname 'Kennedy' and call it part of the curse. Robofish (talk) 19:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In that respect, this article reminds me a bit of the '27 club' - some of the people on that list aren't actually notable by our standards, they're only mentioned because they've been used as evidence of an alleged tendency for musicians to die at age 27. Robofish (talk) 19:21, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most recent addition 

message: Orthodox Jewish people have a few versions of a tale, about JFK's father being antisemitic (as US ambassador to the UK, failing to assist German Jews in the early 30's, thwarting attempts of American Jewry to allow immigration of Jewish refugees from Europe during WWII), pro Nazi (selling weapons to the Nazis during WWII, prior to the US entering the war), or just being nasty to Jews (demanding that they do not pray during a cruise on a ship), and thus received "the curse" from Jews, in most versions from an important rabbi, or a group of rabbis. In most accounts the rabbi named is Rabbi Aharon Kotler.  The Chabad movement tells it of their leader Rabbi Yosef Jacobson. See this discussion on ChabadTalk for many different versions of the story.
פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 07:37, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if this "tale" is notable, but it would be valid to include any notable folklore about the origin of the curse, as the Bermuda Triangle article includes theories explaining the alleged phenomenon. It's not clear, as the article stands, to what extent the notion of the "curse" is just a journalistic hook to hang a story on, a figure of speech, or an actual superstitition. Do the books written about the curse actually assert it is real?--Jack Upland (talk) 11:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Kennedy Curse and Antisemitism 

message: I think this topic should be treated the same as the Bermuda Triangle  -  a notional entity that has become part of common folklore, due to certain events that may or may not be connected. It has achieved enough prominence in the media to warrant a Wiki page analyzing its possible validity. Valetude (talk) 16:48, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. An editor renamed the article in 2011 without discussion on Talk. It really needs to be reverted to its original title. In fact, I think I'll do it myself. Ylee (talk) 17:24, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Done. My thanks to Anthony Appleyard for handling the technical details. Ylee (talk) 02:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert to 'curse' 

message: I've removed this source: . It seems to be an emotional reaction to the death of JFK Jr. Most of the incidents can't be attributed to "hubris" or "too much macho". I don't think that this adds much to the article.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:20, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with this assessment. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:08, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grady 

message: How do you deal with Jackie's miscarriage in 1955 or stillbirth in 1956? Not exactly common, but it does happen. I see her son Patrick is listed but not his miscarried/stillborn siblings.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.63.124.202 (talk) 07:40, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not uncommon. We really shouldn't include any event unless a reliable source says it is part of the curse.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:33, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infants 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Kennedy curse's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "bg-series-3":
From Chappaquiddick incident: 
From Ted Kennedy: Also published in the book The Last Lion: The Fall and Rise of Ted Kennedy, Simon & Schuster, 2009, chapter 3.
From Mary Jo Kopechne: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 06:34, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Kennedy curse]] 

message: I've just lightly copyedited the paragraph in the "Origins" section about an alleged curse in 1840s Ireland. However, it still contains one glaring error in the reference to "Thomas Fitzpatrick, paternal grandfather of Rose Kennedy". Rose's maiden name was Fitzgerald, which would therefore have been the surname of her paternal grandfather. Is that an error in the cited source, or by the editor who added this? I know this is folkloric nonsense, and the cited source is hardly a reliable one, but it would be good to get the basic facts right. GrindtXX (talk) 12:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The source says Fitzgerald. I've corrected it.--Jack Upland (talk) 22:16, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fitzpatrick/Fitzgerald 

message: Remove: "However, in 1979, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) concluded that the assassination was the result of a conspiracy and that Oswald did not act alone." This is inaccurate and a conspiracy theory. The HSCA report says the assassination was "probably" the result of a conspiracy and that there was a "high probability" that Oswald did not act alone. Thus, this belief should not be treated as fact that has been "concluded." Additionally, several members of the committee dissented from the finding of a possible conspiracy or multiple shooters.
RoryGilmore28 (talk) 03:29, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , the article is no longer protected, you can now edit the page. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2020 

message: john f kennedy crashed his red convertible. later, he crashed his pt109 boat; that is, it was run over by a japanese warship. it has been said that if it werent for who his father was, he would have been courtmartialed; instead he got a medal, a book, and a movie. the book was by john hershey, who was dating his sister at the time. 
rose kennedy's father, john "honey" fitzgerald, was expelled from congress in 1922. the papers of the investigation were recently released, i havent seen them.
ted kennedy was expelled from harvard for cheating on a spanish exam by sending someone else to takea test for him. 
2601:48:C601:50E0:D9CE:5FCE:C460:D804 (talk) 01:31, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: All unsourced gossip/speculation except for Ted Kennedy's expulsion (and subsequent reinstatement), Fitzgerald wasn't expelled from Congress (he wasn't even a Congressman in 1922), and none of these "tidbits" amount to a "curse." And it was Hersey, not Hershey, who wrote a fictionalized account of the PT109 and Kennedy.  Acroterion (talk) 02:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing tidbits: 

message: Looking at the genealogy, second generation Kennedys also experienced tragedies. Two older siblings died in 1926 and two younger siblings died in 1929, plus the death of an infant sibling with the fated name of John. Two siblings of JFK and RFK (Jack and Bobby) both died in 2009. 
JanetGoesWiki (talk) 10:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:NOR, sources must explicitly describe it as such. Your inference is not admissible. Acroterion (talk) 12:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kennedy Curse is deeper in time.