Talk:Spider-Man/Archive 3

message: There's a whole of lot of history here. Maybe this section should be trimmed down, with the pertinent plot points relocated to more appropriate sections of the article, to make it more consistent with the rest of the wikipedia comics project?
The entire article is too long.  They're working on trimming down the article for the Hulk and it isn't nearly as long as this one.
You can't cut it down to reach the standards of Wikipedia and I think it isn't the main principal to do so by all means. Spider-Man is running for 45 years by now, and it is way too reasonable, that it's growing all the time. The page won't get any critically longer unless it reaches episode #1000. Until that point it is fine as it is now. To cut down "less important" information means to ignore something that branches out to issues covering an year's data or so. In the very case of Powers and Abilities it is adequate writing down exceptional events and theories that readers might come across during the saga, because the creators' intents were the same as ours. To understand the nature of them. To avoid sg mentioned in one or two books will lead to misunderstand the abilities of a Spider-sensed hero, and the "realistic" aspects of the existance of such a being. Lajbi 22:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powers and Abilities is way long! 

message: Can someone add something on spiderman action figures please? Htaccess 20:35, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But Wikipedia isn't written for fans. There are plenty of fan sites for that, some of them of incredibly professional quality. Wikipedia policy, for good reason, is that articles be written for a general audience.--Tenebrae 20:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Action figures? 

message: I'd like to remove the argument about whether or not Spidey will be wearing a black costume or not in the new movie. Here's what the official movie site has to say, "You may think you’re looking at a black and white photo. Look closely, Spider-Man wears a black suit in Spider-Man 3. Tobey Maguire returns as Peter Parker / Spider-Man in Spider-Man 3. In Theaters 5/4/07." Anyone object? -Digresser 05:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spider-Man 3

message: Under "Enhanced physicality" it reads "...and his practical reaction time is at least a dozen times that of a normal human." Unless this is referring to some kind of reaction time I'm not familiar with, isn't it exactly the other way round? Lumpio- 12:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say yes, it would be. Newt 19:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Heh, not to go off-topic, but I can just *see* Spidey with that kind of reaction time: he swings just a *bit* too late to avoid the wall....DarkMasterBob 08:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Higher reaction time? 

message: "In 1975 Marvel Comics and Lifesong Records released an album entitled, "Spider-Man: Rock Reflections of a Superhero." It contained songs of various styles altered to elucidate certain moments and feelings of Spider-Man's origin, such as "No One's Got a Crush on Peter" and "Peter Stays and the Spider-Man Goes" interspersed with small clips of narration by Stan Lee." How were these songs altered? Were they previously existing songs, now with new words? Or were these just written with Spider-Man-related lyrics? --Chris Griswold 04:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't answer my questions. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 21:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Spider-Man: Rock Reflections of a Superhero." 

message: I honestly believe that 90% of users editing the "Affiliations" and "Previous Affiliations" categories within the character box are modifying it without regard for their total incomprehension of what the word "affiliation" means. Affiliations have to be organizations, teams, etc. that Spidey (or Peter, in the case of The Bugle) is/was a part of, and they ought to be notable at that. "The Avengers" is a notable affiliation. "The Secret Defenders" is a (maybe notable) previous affiliation. I can't think of a single individual that would qualify as an "affiliation", much less just about every "affiliation" to individuals currently listed that are either not notable, not even Spidey-related, or both (with Silver Sable, Ghost Rider, and X-Man serving as examples, repectively). - H3G3M0N 23:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Spider-Man is an official X-Men. He appeared in an X-Men cartoon, and an X-Men video game shows a tombstone with Peter Parker's name on it. However, I agree that these are not notable and most likely not canon.
--67.189.113.120 02:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Affiliations" 

message: I have archived the talk page through 20 May 2006. --Chris Griswold 05:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: This isn't considered official continuity; it's not related to Peter or his parents or aunt and uncle. The wiki also states this. Shouldn't it be removed from related material at the bottom? --Kozmik_Pariah
:Yes. I wouldn't recommend the majority of Chuck Austen's work. --Chris Griswold 09:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Trouble was by Mark Millar and the Dodsons. - SoM 15:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't read it. I admit I didn't read anything when Bill Jemas and Joe Quesad were in heat. --Chris Griswold 18:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, but there's plenty to slag Austen for (exploding communion wafers, anyone?) without giving him that too. - SoM 18:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, I just read his entry last night. --Chris Griswold 18:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nightcrawler is 20 in the Draco but turned 21 in his first annual? Even with retconning, that's the dumbest thing I ever read. I removed Trouble from see also, because it isn't Spider-Man related. At all. And no one said "Oh, let's keep it."--Kozmik Pariah
I re-added it because it was originally meant to be Spider-Man's new "origin", and only declared non-canon after many Spider-Man fans got worked up about it. As such, it certainly is Spider-Man related. It might be non-canon, but neither are the films, video games and TV series listed under see also. --Fritz S. (Talk) 08:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, but those are about Spider-Man. Is Spider-Man actually in Trouble? --Chris Griswold 13:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Peter is (as a baby), but I guess you have a point there. It's been moved to one of the sub-articles anyway, which I think is fine, too. --Fritz S. (Talk) 13:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trouble?

message: Why is everything in present tense, anyway?  Why speak of events that took place in stories written in the 1960s in the present tense?  Even given the frozen-time aspect of comic book characters, early events in Peter Parker's life are definitely in the past.
:I will answer this, because I brought this to the attention of the Wikiproject. It's Wikipedia policy to write about fiction in the present tense. Present tense is used when writing about fictional characters and events in order to differentiate them from real historical events. Fictional events take place outside of normal time: I can pick up Superman #75 and Superman is dying. Present tense. 
:As a comic book fan, it is hard not to write in present tense because the comics have been around so long, and comics publishers often encourage an in-world POV. But it is essential to refer to the events and characters in this way, and yes, sometimes we need to alter the sentence to make it work: "During Batman's history, four teenagers serve in succession as his youthful sidekick Robin." --Chris Griswold 00:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that policy written down somewhere?  It strikes me as odd to start a section with "Peter Benjamin Parker is born to Richard Parker and his wife Mary Fitzpatrick-Parker..."  Within the character's history, this can be nothing but a past event. I can imagine expressing it in present tense if it is an entry on a timeline but in a conventional biography, even of a fictional character, it's just odd. BryanEkers 01:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the discussion on the WikiProject Comics talk page, and here is Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles#Check your fiction. --Chris Griswold 06:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That said, I would think it justifiable if a character's life in fiction is begun at age 17, that one could say "[character] was born to [parents]" as an attribute of the character more than an action that's taken place in his life. --Newt 04:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text: To be precise, it's a style guideline, not actually policy. It states Wikipedia articles should heed these rules. Feel free to update this page as needed, but please use the discussion page to propose major changes. Which is to say, it's possible to form consensus and change those guidelines, but you better have a good reasoning, mass consensus and good diplomatic skills.  Personally I find it clumsy to write in this way, but considering my recent issues with Magneto (comics) (it's almost exclusively a history of the character from the POV inside the world, with very little else like theme analysis, impact on the literary world of comics, etc), I can see the sense as it genuinely does make the events talked about seem unreal as I suppose they should.  I don't actually agree with Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) in that Wikipedia is an out-of-universe source, and all articles about fiction and elements of fiction should take an out-of-universe perspective., but I think we need a hybrid approach that includes both "in-world plot" and "out of world analysis" (such as the FA Watchmen). — Estarriol talk 08:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, yes, you're right, it's a guideline for writing, not a strict policy, but it's pretty common in professional writing about fiction, even outside of Wikipedia. As for changing it, I doubt that's going to happen since this Wikiproject is just a small part of Wikpedia, even within it, I think you'll find that a lot of the editors are willing to write in present tense in order to maintain Wikipedia's cohesion and to obtain Featured Article status for their articles. Currently, some editors are working on Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction), so you can see what they're up to there. Additionally, I have begun work on a stylebook for WikiProject Comics, and I am now trying to figure out how organize it so that others can work with me. --Chris Griswold 14:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It is fine to use the present tense when narrating fictional events, but not when talking about non-fictional ones. To apply it across the board is not correct. It is perfectly fine to say, "Peter Parker is bitten by a radioactive spider when he goes to a science exhibition" but it is not correct to say "Action Comics #1 is published in October 1938." There is a distinction here you have to make between fictional and non-fictional contexts. So, when telling the actual story, yes, by all means use present tense, but for proper academic style, use past tense when speaking of publication histories, appearances and so on. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is absolutely correct. Good point. I'm not sure why you seem to think you disagree with me on this. --Chris Griswold 08:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we disagree. The reverts I made on Captain America were only to non-fictional contexts, e.g. "Captain America first appears in Captain America Comics #1..." was changed to "appeared", "Marvel Comics returns the character..." changed to "returned", "Captain America is briefly revived... by Atlas Comics..." to "was briefly revived". There's a mixed fictional and non-fiction bit in "In the post-war era, with the popularity of superheroes fading, Captain America appeared with Timely/Marvel's first superhero team, the All-Winners Squad, and in his own series turned his attention to criminals and Cold War Communists," which I defaulted to past tense to make it flow less awkwardly. But I left the others alone. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's EXTREMELY awkward to read character biographies when everything is written in present tense. Literary present tense is fine when discussing most books and films, or even single issues or story arcs in comics, because generally, they are self-contained works, which perpetually exist in the present for the reader. But when we're talking about serial fiction that is written throughout many different "works", over a span of decades (and is still in the middle of being written), it makes less sense to keep using present tense for a character bio. It's OK if you describe things as happening within an issue/story ("During 'No Man's Land', Poison Ivy takes up residence in Robinson Park."), but that has to be done consistently within an article, and even then, putting in lots of title & issue #s clutters up the text. I think that, for readability's sake, we should ease up on having to use present tense for comic character biographies.--SHODAN 12:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can tell you that support for Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) indicates that things like this may be required for comic book articles soon. Things may be getting stricter, and the comics project is a minority in the great span of Wikipedia. --Chris Griswold 19:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an unworkable idea for comics.  The "Wolventongue", "Captain Kinkade" and "Gogosaurus" examples on the style page are written out-of-universe, but also cite specific books, episodes and video games.  That's fine if the character is limited to a few dozen canon appearances (as in a series of novels that were cranked out one per year for a decade or so, a TV series that ran for four or five seasons, or chapters in a video game series that were released every two years), but a long-running comic-book character could easily have several thousand issues in its history, so any attempt to write a nice tidy character biography gets bogged down with footnotes and cites and other crap that interrupts its tidy flow (personally, I think Spider-Man's bio could be boiled down to 200 words, tops).  As long as the word fictional appears prominently in the first sentence of the entry, I doubt any reasonably intelligent person over the age of eight is going to be fooled and if they are, they deserve it. The "present tense" stance solves a nonexistent problem, badly. BryanEkers 21:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to change it, take it to the editors at the WikiProject Comics talk page and the Style of Manual thing. That's where you can get that changed. --Chris Griswold 02:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to once I get a minute (since I seem to have got drawn up in a stub-related mess for now which is taking up far too much of my WP time...). The present tense isn't workable, and the out-of-universe thing is very awkward.  - SoM 04:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say that I find the use of present tense almost unreadable.  It doesn't make much sense, either.  "In-universe," these events are in the past.  Out of the universe, these were published in the past.  One cannot descrive any narrative that has internal and external continuity exlusively in the present tense - it isn't proper English.  --Chancemichaels 19:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Thank you, Brian. --Chris Griswold 14:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Present tense?

message: I've always thought Spidey's sense of humor was one of his character traits--you know, the one-liners and putdowns he hurls at enemies while battling.  It's especially interesting as an extension of his spider-sense--if he doesn't have to think about fighting, he can think up clever jokes.  I don't see this mentioned anywhere in the article.  Is it worth putting in? Dustin 20:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so, though on several occasions the character has said he keeps up the snappy patter to cover his nervousness, which is worth mentioning.  At most, give it two sentences. BryanEkers 21:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, definitely. Note the use of yiddish, also. (Not sure if this started with Bendis or before)--Chris Griswold 14:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With JMS, actually. Also, I believe he also uses humor tactically, to annoy and anger his enemies so that they get sloppy.Tinderblast 22:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sense of Humor? 

message: There were a least one, and probably more, comic books made by DC/Marvel that featured both Spider-Man and Superman.  Is there any metion, or links, of these historic novels?24.195.247.162 02:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Intercompany crossover list mentions them.  However, only JLA/Avengers (which Spider-Man barely appeared in) has its own article. HKMARKS 16:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is there a metion of the "Spider-Man/Superman" comic books

message: I added Debra Whitman to "Love Interests" and she's been removed.  By "short time" I meant "four years real time", longer than he dated Liz Allen or Betty Brant.  And he only actually ever had *one* date with Marrow.  She was also his major love interest in the animated series until the Black Cat and Mary Jane came on the scene.  Any real reason she was removed? -- HKMARKS 03:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This information makes it seem much more interesting and relevent to the article. I removed it because the information you added made it seem otherwise. You know more about this character than I; please improve the article by adding what you wrote above to your earlier edit. --Chris Griswold 04:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Uh-oh. Here comes Spider-Man supporting characters :) (Which I'm not so sure is a bad idea.) --Chris Griswold 23:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When I started editing, I thought I was much more inclusionist than I am.  I can see a possible need for that article, but lets maybe exhaust in-article possibilities (whatever those may be) first. --Newt ΨΦ 00:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It already sort of exists as a category: 'Category:Spider-Man supporting characters'.  Actually, the Spider-Man related categories need a clean-up.  There is also List of Characters first appearing in a Spider-Man comic series (which probably doesn't need to exist, 'Category:Spider-Man characters', and 'Category:Spider-Man villains' -- HKMARKS 00:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: -I've started work on this offline.  HKMARKS 02:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Love Interests section should be retitled "Supporting Cast", given a general overview, and linked to the new page. HKMARKS 14:16, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love Interests & Supporting characters 

message: Why was Spidey's picture removed?  Anyway, I reverted it back.  If it was removed for a valid reason, someone inform me.
05:13, 6 July 2006 HueyFreeman
:I have to admit, I'm also curious why there seems to be an on/off war going on about this pic. BryanEkers 07:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spider-man's Pic 

message: Should Spider-Girl be a part of this article?  She's not Spider-Man, nor even an alternate continuity Spider-Man. --Newt ΨΦ 08:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's a supporting character in her book, both in and out of costume.  It's always been part of the "Spider-Man Family" of books.  It's an ongoing title (for another four days at least... though the rumors are favourable for a relaunch with a larger role for Peter).  The description should probably stay for now -- focusing on a brief description of what the book is about so people can go to its main page if they're interested. If its cancelled and stays cancelled for more than a few months, it should be moved back to the Other Continuities section. - HKMARKS 15:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I added "originally" to the mention of MC2; you are right about that. I hope one would know how Spider-Man came to have a daughter. The "alternate future" part should take care of the rest.--Chris Griswold 06:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "I hope one would know how ..."  hah, yes, in broad strokes : )  I'm still not sure about calling MC2 an imprint at all... it didn't last long, and it wasn't as separate as Icon or Epic... more of an extended "What If."  And sometimes Spider-Girl is considered "Marvel Age", or "Spider-Man Family."  I was condensing it at the same time you were, but it turned out a little differently.  I'll put in my version so it can be compared, at least. - HKMARKS 06:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say MC2 was as much an imprint as Marvel Knights or Marvel Edge. It had its own trade dress and editorial. --Chris Griswold 06:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I kept the Kaine part, but I do think publication history is important to address when describing a comics imprint, particularly since this title started and outlived the imprint. --Chris Griswold 06:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we've got it now.... maybe...  I changed "alternate future timeline" to "alternate continuity" because at some point they decided it was actually a world where the Age of Heroes started 15 years earlier.  (Total nonsense, but anyway.)  And changed something to be less of a spoiler, + literary present tensifying.  Hope that does it.  -- HKMARKS 07:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spider-Girl 

message: I added one, it was deleted.  I can understand if they get unwieldy after a while, but any other particular reason?  The costume section could use some images -- a picture is a lot more useful than a description. - HKMARKS 05:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: never mind.  I added one to the costume section and worked the other two into the Spider-man's_powers,_abilities,_and_equipment article. -- HKMARKS 18:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costume gallery 

message: Move Spider-Man#Costumes section to --->> Spider-man's powers, abilities, and equipment or Don't Move?  It seems to be taking up a lot of space on this page. -- HKMARKS 02:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought he changed back already. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 00:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still in red/gold, I guess for a couple more months.  I suppose it makes sense to have his current costume somewhere in the main article.  Here are some options that are already online: :Image:Ironspidey.jpg  - interior art; :Image:SMCW.jpg - Civil War #3 variant cover promotional art; :Image:AmazingSpider-Man530cover.jpg - ASM #530 cover.  Take your pick.  I'd add it to either the "Civil War" storyline part, or the "Powers... and costumes" part. -- HKMARKS 03:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added one of the above images to the costumes section, as I agree it should be in the main article, considering that it's his current costume.Jayunderscorezero 10:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move "Costumes" 

message: "...he has become one of the world's most popular, enduring, and recognizable superheroes" has been changed several times to remove "one of".  That's simply not true: Spider-Man has not endured as long as Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman, there is no way to determine if he is more recognizable than any of them, and he may very well be less popular.  Just going by Google hits, Superman gets 124 million hits (92.8 million if you don't include pages that mention Nietzsche), Batman gets over 61 million, and poor Spidey only gets 32.5 million.  At least he beats poor Wondy (8,290,000).  Please direct anyone who makes this edit again here. --HKMARKS 01:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but I bet George Bernard Shaw gets at least 10 of those 92.8 million.  :)  BryanEkers 03:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: You mean it has been changed to "the most popular"? --Chris Griswold 04:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah --HKMARKS 04:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most popular 

message: Please follow this link Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/templates/navboxes to join in on the discussion . --Basique 12:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Navbox Guidelines

message: What about creating a :Category:Spider-Men or :Category:Spider-People for
# Spider-Girl
# Spider-Man
# Spider-Woman (Charlotte Witter)
# Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)
# Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter)
# Spider-Woman (Mattie Franklin)
# Ricochet (comics)    
# Ben Reilly
# Kaine
# Doppelganger (comics)
# Carnage
# Venom
# Toxin (comics)
# Scream (comics)
# Araña 
# Phage (comics)
# Riot (comics)
# Lasher (comics)
# Agony (comics)
# Hybrid (Venom Spawn)
# She-Venom
and any others? It just seems logical. Then you can stick the whole category in :Category:Fictional characters with super strength. ~ZytheTalk to me! 13:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know... it doesn't seem necessary.  Those are all either on ":Category:Spider-Man villains" or ":Category:Spider-Man supporting characters" except for Julia and Jessica (who have almost no connection to Spider-Man, except that he stole the black costume design from Julia and he's on the Avengers with Jessica).  Other than Venom, the symbiotes don't really use a "spider theme" either, they just inherited his ability to stick to walls, which is why they only get a passing mention in the section on this page.  How about "Comics characters with super strength" or "Marvel Comics characters with super strength" instead?  That's a lot broader and more useful, as most of the characters not in a subcategory are comics characters.  -HKMARKS 15:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See, I was planning on subcategorising super strength (User:Zythe/Project) to associate various characters across different media by the nature of their power if it survives Categories for Deletion. I just tend to look at categories as ways of finding similar things... a bit like how :Category:Kryptonians is useful, I thought a Spider-critters one would help. Ah well. ~ZytheTalk to me! 16:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New category? 

message: "Peter works as a science teacher at Midtown High School until 2004, when Charlie Weiderman destroys both Peter's apartment and Aunt May's house. Because of Spider-Man's membership in the Avengers, Peter, Mary Jane, and Aunt May move into Tony Stark's Stark Tower. Peter works as Stark's assistant while again freelancing for The Daily Bugle."
He's been a teacher until the last issue of friendly neighbourhood spider-man, when he resigns. This has not yet been confirmed and as such i will not be putting that in just yet. when it is finally put in spoiler tags will be needed. for now i'll just delete the incorrect statement.88.108.127.110
:Well, he actually did stop teaching at that time... it was summer, and he wasn't given a summer school position.  I guess it's Marvel Autumn again.  It was probably correct when it was written, anyway.  But not anymore!  I love comics. --HKMARKS 00:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  21st century spider-man - incorrect 

message: "It is destroyed by Ben Reilly and the Avengers. (Spider-Man Team-Up #4)" Um... there wasn't a team-up with ben reilly and the avengers in marvel team-up, so can anybody back this up at all?? Marvel team-up volume 2 was after the clone saga and i had the whole series. volume one was when peter parker was in the mask.scarlet spider/ ben reilly's spider-man was not about (or at least not thought to be about) and volume 2 is new stories, so what on earth does this refer to??
If there was a separate "spider-man team-up" and not "marvel team-up" then i apologise but i can't find one and it just seems false.editing. thanx.88.108.127.110
: Yes there was.  It was published in 1996 and here's a really negative review, in case you were wondering. And even if it wasn't there, it was still in Avengers #11. -HKMARKS 00:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Robot Spider-Man - incorrect?

message: If I'm not mistaken, the "Character history" is written entirely using in-universe chronology.  Isn't it a good idea to avoid that, for both the purposes of Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/editorial guidelines#The use of in-universe statistics and chronology and WP:WAF? --Newt ΨΦ 18:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They're very brief and cover a lot of ground-- for instance "Starting out" and "college life" cover 120 issues in 3 paragraphs.  A lot of the publication history is covered in Bibliography of Spider-Man titles and List of The Amazing Spider-Man comics and other articles on the titles.  I think helps to have extremely short summaries like this, per WP:WAF#Exceptions -HKMARKS 19:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Note also, unlike a lot of other characters, Spider-Man's history has been virtually continuous since AmFan #15 -- it's never been out of print or seriously relaunched or rebooted (Crisis-style), and early issues are still relevant to current continuity. -HKMARKS 19:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood.  Should these not be cited in some way though? --Newt ΨΦ 19:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying to come up with a good way to do it.  It's tricky because the summary is in very broad strokes (and frankly, when I wrote a good chunk of it I just used the comics--or my memory of them--as source.  That's why it jumps from from the mid-70s to the mid-80s; I haven't read that stuff yet and no one's filled it in.)  It's pretty much free of POV so primary sources should be OK. -HKMARKS 19:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed the same thing myself and am glad people are already talking about it. It seems like the best way would be to note issues within the text. Like in the origin section, a phrase like "Spider-Man's origin and push into crimefighting appear in Amazing Fantasy #15." Other sections could use phrases like "The Clone Saga occurred in Amazing Spider-Man #300-312." (I don't know the actual issues). Also, I just noticed Captain Marvel (DC Comics) reads like this. Brad T. Cordeiro 20:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Part of the reason is that the Clone Saga (for example) has its own article with a list of issues involved (Oh, if only it were just 12 issues--it's actually closer to 120)  But yeah, you have a point. --HKMarksTALKCONTRIBS 20:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character history 

message: I think the Spider-mobile deserves a mention. Or maybe a stub article to not clutter this even more.    NickCharbuski 01:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has a mention on Spider-Man's powers and equipment. -HKMARKS 01:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spider-mobile 

message: First off, Peter Parker recently revealed that he was born in January, so if someone could put that somewhere in there...and could someone get the exact date when Amazing Fantasy #15 came out?
:Where do you propose we put this minor trivia? --Chris Griswold  (☏) 20:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was cover dated August, which means it probably came out in May or June.  Also, yeah, that's a pretty minor detail.  Personally I don't believe it, as it conflicts with my fannish theory that he's a Pisces. -HKMarks 21:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthdate

message: Just wondering, why back in the early days of The Amazing Spider-Man, during Stan Lees run, Doc Ock unmasks Spidey to a crowd, though they feel Peter is an imposter due to him being a "weakling". The story is much forgotten. Has it been officially retconned with the Civil War story? Wiki-newbie 21:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spider-Mans first unmasking 

message: I was thinking that some brief mention could be made of the animated image known as 'dancing spidey' that ciculated the internet a few years back.  Perhaps mention it as an Internet Meme and mention it's origin--that is, if it's known, of course.  I haven't found any info on it yet or I might. --Tsuji 15:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually it's easy to find information on notable memes. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 18:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dancing Spidey? 

message: Please rewrite and give proper citations the Post-Civil War sectrion according to both Wikipedia guidelines and WikiProject Comics exemplar. You can't say "released Monday" -- this isn't a newspaper paper, it's an encyclopedia. Next week, next month, what does "released Monday" mean? You can't say "it has been announced" -- you need to say "So-and-so on such-and-such date announced..." and then have the footnote the full name of the source, not just a link: What magazine, what issue number/date, the title of the column or article, who wrote it. It's not right to expect other editors to rewrite your edits because you can't be bothered to look up and follow the guidelines. Sorry to sound harsh, but this is a recurring problem, and all it takes is making the same small amount of effort we're all expected to make, and to read at least the major guidelines, such as WP:DATED, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, citing sources, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/exemplars. Thanks -- Tenebrae 04:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please read and follow Wiki guidelines

message: Does anyone else think this section is getting a bit over-detailed? This is only a months-long crossover, but takes up a relatively large amount of space, complete with two sets of character quotes and such minutiae as what's on the cover of an upcoming issue.
Information like what's on an upcoming cover seems more newsy than encyclopedic, the difference being that while one of Wikipedia's benefits is that it's up-to-date, this up-to-date information needs to be integrated into the overall article, with a sense of perspective. How important, in the grand scheme of Spider-Man's career, that Jennifer Walters is stalling a lawsuit? Wouldn't it be more encyclopedic to wait for an actual outcome? Tenebrae 21:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On it, chief! --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 09:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. Someone already got it. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 09:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Uh, oh. Suddenly I'm Perry White. (And unless you've got DVDs of the George Reeves Superman series, I'm way showing my age!) --Tenebrae 14:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Civil War section

message: On hold suggestions not met. See #Re:GA nom... suggestions Cbrown1023 23:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA FAILED

message: Why does it have a hyphen? Couldn't it just be Spiderman?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.172.165 (talk • contribs) 
:According to legend (and Stan Lee), they thought the name looked too much like "Superman" without it, and they didn't want people to accidentally buy the wrong book.  In Amazing Spider-Man #3 (I think, or some other early issue), the letterer actually wrote "Superman" in the word balloons a couple of times. --HKMarksTALKCONTRIBS 00:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not just legend. See this footnote in Spider-Man:
* Stan Lee, 1986: "He [publisher Martin Goodman] gave me 1,000 reasons why Spider-Man would never work. Nobody likes spiders; it sounds too much like Superman..." -- Quoted in The Steve Ditko Reader by Greg Theakston (Pure Imagination, Brooklyn, NY; ), p. 12 (unnumbered) 
and
* Joe Simon, 1990: Lastly, the Spider-Man logo was redone and a dashing hyphen added". Simon, Joe, with Jim Simon. The Comic Book Makers (Crestwood/II, 1990) . -- Tenebrae 03:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I have to say, "dashing" is probably the best description I've ever heard for a hyphen. --HKMarksTALKCONTRIBS 19:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hyphen

message: How come nobody has bothered to mention the 50 episode Spider-Man radio serial on BBC radio 1 back in 1995? It was a freaking great show that I actually still own on cassette tape. There was even a theme song written by Brain May of Queen fame.
I dunno if anyone else will remember it, but it was excellent and for any spidey fans out there who haven't heard it, I encourage you to hunt it down.
Here's some links to some info about it:
 
http://epguides.com/AmazingSpiderMan_1995/
http://www.spiderfan.org/audio/bbc_radio/index.html
If anybody can find more stuff about it and include it in this article, it'll be a very much appreciated. Shirahime 20:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1995 BBC Radio 1 Spider-Man show 

message: *Publication history from 1971-present
**Only info in this period is the titles appeared in and a short paragraph relating mainly to Other Media events
*Character history
**It is there, but there are gaping holes. Also much of the info belongs in Pub. history.
--Jamdav86 19:37, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing, please add 

message: The article needs its periodical checkup for copy editing stuff: tense, grammar, punctuation, sentence structure, tone, uniformity of writing, etc. Articles like this that have a ton of participation need to have this done from time to get them back in shape. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 17:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: cleanup

message: Some sections are too listified, needs some more referencing, suffers a little from recentism, but it's a good start.  Work needed to bring it up to a good article, but it's close. Hiding Talk 08:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: It still had Venom listed as Eddie Brock it now includes the Update and a link to the Scorpion --Segasonicdude Sega Forever! 06:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Venom 

message: For Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, see Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man.
This is neither a policy or a guideline - it is an humorous essay. If people want it on their user-pages or talk-pages - great, but I think it's unsuitable for an article page of an encyclopedia. --Charlesknight 18:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One-hundred percent agreement. It might already have been removed when I came to this page or the article page a moment ago, but I've been perplexed in the past why Wikipedia allows this blatant nonsense when trying to establish itself as a serious encyclopedia. Yes, an encyclopedia can have a certain level of humor or lightness in its article text, but the usefulness of deliberately presenting an encyclopedia as clownish is beyond me. --Tenebrae 19:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link at top 

message: Should the main image be the original promotional art, or the actual cover scan?
In my opinion, it should be the original promotional art. The article is about the character, not the title Amazing Spider-Man (which has its own article); the title obscures the art, and it's of a poorer quality (it's faded and the colors are duller).
There's no problem with the promotional art, which falls under the promocomic template. --DrBat 23:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is now being discussed here. --DrBat 23:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  main image 

message: The article is now 69 KB long. In my view, the 'Other versions of Spider-Man' and 'Other media' sections are way too long and listy. It would better to create new articles for these and focus the main information into prose, in particular Ultimate Spider-Man, the films and so on and so forth. Wiki-newbie 21:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up November 2006 

message: Someone blanked out the whole section in a vandalism attack. It seems that it didn't get restored as it got buried in a ton of other reverts. I agree that seperate articles that focus on other aspects of spidey in popular media is a good idea (like was has been done for Batman). In the meantime, until someone actually creates the pages - I am restoring the entries in "Spider-man in pop culture". After all, it was originally blanked out in a vandalism attack and its removal was not discussed. --Eqdoktor 17:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spidey in Popular culture 

message: How can this article be complete without at least some passing mention of the six armed Parker? at least a link to another article.
18:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just created Six-Armed Spider-Man to address this. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 00:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It's covered in Spider-Man's powers and equipment under "Further mutations" :P ---HKMarks(T/C) 04:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Six Arms 

message: I don't have time to do this at the moment, buuut... Spider-Man Unlimited and Marvel Team Up have been cancelled, and replaced by Spider-Man Family.  This article, Bibliography of Spider-Man titles and Template:Spider-Man need an update.  There's also Spider-Man and Power Pack and Spider-Man: Reign to be added to the bibliography.  Good night and good luck. --HKMarks(T/C) 04:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update to bibliography 

message: How much can he press? "Enhanced strength", "Superhuman strength"....blah blah blah.....virtually every hero in Marvel and DC has this. So what?
HOW MUCH CAN HE PRESS? I remember reading once that he could press about 15 tons. The Thing 85, maybe 100. The Hulk 100+. Thor around 95. Why are these specifics left out of all the Powers and Abilities sections???
:Because some people claim that is too much information, and doesn't belong on an encyclopedia (weird, I know), or because people think the Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe isn't a good enough source, or somehow violates copyright.
:Incidently, Spidey used to be able to ROUGHLY lift ten tons, then after his first upgrade, ROUGHLY lift 15 tons, and after that, not sure anymore.  I empathize 'roughly' because that's how it was written in the 1984 or whatever dated handbooks, despite other characters being written as 'able to lift/press xx tons under optimal conditions', indicating that Spidey also possesses plot device strength which enables him to lift whatever is required for the storyline (such as him having to support the Daily Bugle building whilst trying to pull a support beam over to replace him). Sera404 13:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update to Powers and Abilities 

message: WP:RFC
Why does the trivia section keep getting removed? Information about Spiderman's height, weight, physical description, religious affiliation and even his middle name seem interesting as well as important.
--Joecasual 19:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Regardless of whether it's a spoiler for a comic released seven months ago, this is an iconic image from the Civil War series and a major event for a character perpetually depicted as being especially guarded about his secret identity. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 02:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil War picture 

message: I added a couple of lines referring to the controversial nature of the (fairly recent) revelation that Gwen Stacy had an affair with Norman Osborne that no one knew about.  A lot of people (myself included) stop buying Spider-Man stories after that, so I thought it was worth mentioning, but in a way that doesn't detract or distract from the rest of the article.  Thanks!--Aylwinatrix 07:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gwen Stacy Controversy 

message: Spider-Man article is getting too long, so I was thinking if Spider-Man's Fictional Biography be moved to it's own page probably something like Spider-Man's Biography. They already have something like this for Superman in History of Superman, so why can't we have a separate article for spiderman's bio. It would also avoid having to delete some parts of the bio if later it is decided to shorten the articleUDHSS 18:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate article for Spider-Man's Biography 

message: In December, I tagged the article with clean-up. Since then, it has grown, with a lack of reference to prose ratio and a lot of it should be spun off into clean-up. I agree with its assessment of A for comics and B for film: can't be listed as GA. Wiki-newbie 19:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: Because of "Back in Black" and the new movie, I think (at least temporarily) we should represent this in the info box.  I am aware of the hoopla with the Iron Man-spider suit.  True, everyone knows the red and blues, and I agree it should be in the infobox.  I think a good compromise would be the Spider-Man 3 promos where there's the original AND the black suit.  Or if there's some similar image from a comic. --EXV // + @ 19:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The black costume is already represented within the article, no need to alter the infobox. --69.136.111.100 19:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:CMC says we use the most representative image. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 20:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Back in Black, S-M3 and the info box 

message: Anyone remember way back in Amazing #300 ("Venom") when Peter promised Mary Jane he wouldn't wear the black costume anymore because she was traumatized by Venom's appearance in her home? Is that worthy of mention concerning any future information regarding Back in Black? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.79.10.135 (talk) 04:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Back in Black 

message: My opinion might be too strong, but since the Spider-Man article is to be getting vandalized lately from anonymous users, should this page be semi-protected?  -- Gman124 02:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: What about the main image?Phoenix741 16:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: People know Spidey best as red and blue. WikiNew 16:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ok that makes sense, but shouldn;t there be some picture of him in his black costume?Phoenix741 16:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, and whilst you're at it could you expand the article to summarise the sub-articles? WikiNew 16:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Since Spiderman is back in his black costume................ 

message: Should post up the fate of Aunt May after getting shot in "Amazing" recently. Hell of a cliffhanger for J Mike to give us, and then my comic shop decided not to buy the next issue.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.231.40 (talk) 
Not until the sub-article intros are expanded. WikiNew 18:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somebody that knows exactly what happened...