Talk:Artistic gymnastics

message: An anonymous user has changed it from:
The world's best gymnasts have traditionally come from Romania, Russia, and China. The United States is usually considered a "second power" in the sport, despite having produced some famous gymnasts, especially in the women's category (such as Mary Lou Retton, Shannon Miller and, more recently, Carly Patterson). Japan is in a similar situation.
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The world's best gymnasts traditionally come from Romania, Russia, China, and the United States.
We should get rid of the section altogether. The American bias is also obnoxious. If they're a "second power", don't mention them. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 00:41, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know.  Certainly no one wants POV or bias in the article.  But this is a general article about the sport, and in it there's a very clear "balance of power" between countries.  Russia, Romenia and, more recently, China have a clear dominance in terms of how many top athletes they are able to produce;  countries such as the USA and Japan come second, also with a considerable "output" of top athletes, but not as intense as those countries previously mentioned, and, in general (meaning that there are individual exceptions), the best athletes to come out of those countries are not as "top notch" as those who come from the créme-de-la-créme of the sport comes the third category, made up mainly of other former Soviet Republics (especially Uzbekistan, Georgia, the Ukraine and Belarus).  Then comes the fourth group, made up of countries that produce occasional good (and every once in a while, even exceptional) athletes, such as the UK, France and Spain.  The rest of the world fits in a broader, more general fifth group.  Anyone who follows the sport is perfectly aware (at least on some level) of this country-based distinction — as are, incidentally, the judges who decide the official competitions; make no mistake about it: they are biased towards athletes hailing from the "more traditional" countries in the sport.  To ignore it in our article would be, I believe, a significant omission.  Regards, Redux 04:08, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'm getting into agreeing with you. I mostly did this, however, to appease an obnoxious editing war that I didn't feel like dealing with. If you want to add it back in, I agree. I might just do this right now. If the nonsense starts up with the anonymous, I'll see what the heck I can do to deal with it. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 05:16, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I do agree with you that we need to be careful indeed with the text that goes in the article.  Regardless of the anonymous contributors, who may be either vandals or just overenthusiastic (and thus are always a tad unpredictable), and despite the fact that this article is not that "visible" in the community (nothing like Pope Benedict XVI, for instance), if the text sounds somewhat dubious or biased, it will be that much more likely to inspire revert wars, or at least constant editing towards eliminating alleged bias, etc.  I confess that the text you've just restored, which I wrote myself, is lacking in that department, not to mention that it is not that elucidative about the topic.  Maybe we can come up with something here, on the talk page, before replacing the text on the article.  I'm thinking we could use my previous comment as the basis for this new text.  I figure it was rather comprehensive about the scale of countries.  I could use a second opinion about its neutrality — the comment on the judges being biased would be excluded, of course, but other than that, how about it?  Regards, Redux 04:54, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've tried to do something with the "dominant nations" section. I went back and looked at Worlds/Olympics competition results from the 50s to the 00s and just tried to make decisions based on sheer medal counts. Before 1993 it's obvious--Japan and the USSR rule MAG; USSR dominates WAG. After that, it's Russia and China for MAG and four top nations emerge on the WAG side--Russia, Romania, China and the USA. With the exception of Australia (TF) in 2003 and Ukraine (AA) in 1995, 96 and 99, those are the only four teams to earn team and all-around medals in the Worlds/Olympics. Even if you throw out the two post-92 events held in the USA for fear of biased judging, they do have the medal count to be held up as a first-line power. Mademoiselle Sabina 07:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guh. NPOV issue! 

message: I've created the template and included it into respective articles, but I'm not sure, whether I should include it into "Apparatus" section of this article, on the bottom of it or leave this article as is. Cmapm 15:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Apparatus and Equipment

message: I removed the following link: 
* Russian Sportive Aerobics Association
as that website does not (or at least doesn't seem to) contain anything similar to artistic gymnastics. I also don't know, how it is connected to the Russian Artistic Gymnastics Federation. If somebody think, that it is worth including into the article, say this here and provide reasons, please. Cmapm 01:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Supporting the deletion. THis page is specifically for artistic gymnastics; a link for sports aerobics belongs in that discipline's respective article. Good work catching that! ;) Mademoiselle Sabina 04:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, at last I had caught it :) I suppose, the link is even not worth inclusion into the aerobics article, because it seems to be an ordinary fitness club. I can't understand, how it managed to "screw" into this page :) Cmapm 08:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Aerobics website

message: Is there a difference? Could the article clarify? --Dweller 19:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It's almost embarrassing that there isn't a link to the main article of Artistic gymnastics in that section of the gymnastics article, let alone that the top. I think I'll do that.-DMCer (talk) 13:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: @Dweller 196.188.180.155 (talk) 13:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, ? --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 13:08, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between this and [[Gymnastics]] 

message: :I have proposed a gymnastics wikiproject.  If you are interested, please check it out.  Help is needed.
Wikiproject Gymnastics 
Thanx Maddie was here 23:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: THIS ARTICLE AND CATEGORY NEED SO MUCH WORK! PLEASE HELP-DMCer (talk) 18:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gymnastics Wikiproject 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:International Federation of Gymnastics.png

message: Current nationally-rated judge, former NCAA competitor at William and Mary, former high school gymnast, former J.O. gymnast, current law student competing at college club level, former J.O. boys' coach. I'll answer any questions or comments you guys have - I'd start editing, but I'd rather know what you're looking for before I just go about adding to it.  71.62.13.146 (talk) 20:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: be wp:bold.  Have any free photos? --Elvey (talk) 18:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm a MAG expert. What information do you guys / gals need to know to put in the article? 

message: I found this journal article via PubMed:  http://www.hormones.gr/110/article/article.html It focuses on and has some notable data on the impact of AG on health.  AGs are shorter and have stronger bones than they otherwise would (genetic potential) as a result of their training.  (BTW, the paper's link to its Table 1 is broken; modify the link to table 2 to view table 1.)--Elvey (talk) 18:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health impacts of AG 

message: there's a 258px on top of the info box, i was trying to fix with no success, someone please remove this, thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.223.212 (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  a small problem 

message: I was wondering what other editors would think about a timeline subsection under the history section on this page.  In the history section, there are 2 generalized medium-size paragraphs, then one subsection for the women which includes 4 paragraphs.  I was thinking - perhaps the whole history section could have something like a bullet-listed timeline - perhaps restructure the whole thing - ?  I was thinking that certain years would be obvious:  1896, 1903, 1934, 1952, 1976, and 2006 for starters, being the ones that stand out most majorly to me, although other entries could certainly be added.  Perhaps years before that like Tyrs' foundation of Sokol, for example, but really focusing on the most significant developments of the competitive history of the sport.  QuakerIlK (talk) 09:39, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Artistic_gymnastics#History|History section]] - include a timeline? 

message: Hi my name is Olivia and I love him and I really want to join your team 69.157.229.35 (talk) 22:41, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  To see if it's good enough