Talk:List of NHL players with 1,000 points

message: I just removed the flags that Elrith had put in a few months ago for several reasons.
# There are arguments about player's nationalities, see above argument.
# They slowed down the speed in which the page loaded, because of all the images.
# They serve very little purpose in the context of the article, unlike the team logos which identify visually what team the player was with at the time, the nationality is irrelevant info involving this topic.
*If you have any qualms with this, I'd like to hear them.  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 03:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: There are many who debate whether inclusion in this club should mean Hall of Fame election. Adding whether a player is in the Hockey Hall of Fame would be a good addition to the table as it would make a a good resource for this dicussion and is verifiable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Waltgerris (talk • contribs) 17:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Many on the list are still active players, and achieving 1000 points does not guarantee an induction. -- Scorpion 17:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also disagree, whether the player was in the HHOF has little relevance to this article, as 1000 points and HHOF do not have any correlation. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 18:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: First off, who would be that "many?"  Secondly, with the post-WHA explosion in career lengths, 1000 points is just not that big a deal; you can get there averaging 65 pts a season for 15 years, both marks far from remarkable and certainly not representative of all-time greatness.  Thirdly, there are just too many 1000-pt scorers, and the HHOF elects no more than three players a year and nowhere near that many consistently.  Right now there are about twenty players on that list who just aren't going to make it, ever:  the Propps, Hunters, Fleurys, Verbeeks, Andersons, Larmers and Smiths of the world are SOL.  More will break 1000 in the upcoming seasons:  I'd say barring injury or ennui Tkachuk, Bondra, Weight, Forsberg, Lindros, Lidstrom and Kariya will hit it within 3-4 seasons.  Ravenswing 18:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope you are not implying that Forsberg or Lidstrom will not be inducted. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 03:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it is valid that the HHOF column *should* be added. Every year before the selection is made, I am reminded of who is missing and the always interesting debate about who should be in and who shouldn't. I am also a baseball fan and the statistical analysis that helps fuel those debates is endless (and endless interesting). Although it is impossible to compare different eras in hockey, you can do comparisons of modern-day numbers. For instance, Cam Neely's inclusion into the HHOF vs. Dino Ciccarelli's omission with almost as many goals (608) as Neely's points (694) (regardless of the 'real' reason Dino isn't in). Being from Toronto, there was discussion about Doug Gilmour's chances next year (as this year was 'full' with superb 1st ballad Messier, MacInnis, Stevens and Francis) and him being the 2nd most points in NHL history without being in the HHbOF. Additionally, by use of the sortable table, you can see that Adam Oates is 6th in assists and not in the HHOF. Surely that will be corrected at some point. Overall though, I think you can't talk about scoring 1000 points in the NHL and *not* think that at least you be given careful consideration of being in the HHOF. Sometimes it will be obvious - Bourque - and sometimes not - Propp. Anyway, I've put in a column and I hope that wasn't presumptuous of me. Please feel free to revert my edits if you like... - Eric Peebles (talk) 09:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hall of Fame Addition to the Table?  

message: Why is this list by date and not by points? Otherwise I suggest a move of title. I also think people are interested in seeing rankings by points than dates, or revise why its ranked 1 - ?? if its  just by date and there is no 'rank' per say. Just a chronological list which doesnt need numbers. Mkdwtalk 10:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because that list already exists.  Ravenswing 13:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Order

message: I'm a huge fan of sortable tables as it gives the user/reader the ability to analysis the data according to the column titles. However, currently the "Date" column is being sorted alphabetically (i.e. April 3 is first) rather than by date (Howe's November 1960). I know that you can 'force' the dates to be in order by using the number order column (far left column), but shouldn't the "Date" column sort by date? Just wondering. - Eric Peebles (talk) 08:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table - sortable by date doesn't work 

message: Based on the fact that said updates get deleted extemely quickly, it seems you people have a problem with it. I don't see any sort of problem, and in fact it makes more sense to me if the stats are constantly updated. So why do you leave them until the end of the season?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.40.201 (talk) 23:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See the instructions at the beginning of the list.  I agree it's pointless to update and compare career numbers on a game by game basis.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.119.19.211 (talk) 22:14, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's wrong with updating stats midseason? 

message: The HHoF column is very wide, mostly because of a couple players still playing in other leagues.  Although we could force it to have a more narrow width, I'd rather see the "in other leagues" replaced with an asterisk as used in other NHL pages.  Although it would be somewhat inconsistent with the other NHL pages, I'd like the asterisk after the "still active" rather than the player's name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.119.19.211 (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  HHoF column 

message: I really enjoy this list and wonder if we could add a column for Retirement Dates.  It would be nice to have that additional info when discussing older players' merits for being in the HHOF.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.188.79 (talk) 15:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement Dates added to the List? 

message: I just don't understand what's wrong with adding Whitney - it feels like by leaving him in the second list we're partially denying the fact that he acheived the milestone. Last year, we had four, and we added them but left the statistics blank, which seemed to be a reasonable compromise. 70.79.198.253 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 15:07, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that not having Whitney in a list of players who achieved the milestone prior to the current season is denying the fact that he achieved it this season.  It's mentioned very soon afterwards.  That said, I have no objections to adding him to the list on two conditions; no misleading statistics and information in opening paragraphs should be appropriately updated to be consistent with the list.  Given that there's only one week left in the current season, I think it would be simplest to wait.  Disclosure, I removed Whitney from list as well as initiated the blanking mid last season rather than remove the players.  Looking back I regret that the opening paragraphs were not updated. 174.119.23.115 (talk) 19:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Those two conditions should be easy enough to meet. The blank statistics was a nice compromise, and I think all we need is to make it clear that the statistics for all the players are as of the start of the season, and have him on the list with no stats. I think we should at least set a precedent - if Whitney had gotten 1000 in October, rather than April, there'd be no way anyone would stand for leaving him off the list. 70.79.198.253 (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Now we have a similar case with Martin St. Louis, and it's November. Any reason not to move him? Also, it appears that Daniel Alfredsson is now retired. Brettalan (talk) 22:46, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitney 

message: The record is cited for the fastest players to REACH 1,000 points. I'm slightly curious whether there there any stats on the shortest interval for any player to score 1,000 points (i.e. Gretzky did points 1-1000 in 424 games, but is there anyone who actually scored 1,000 in fewer games (just not their first 1,000) - i.e. did anyone score points 72 to 1,072 of their career in fewer than 424 games? Did Gretzky have a better span than his first 1,000? TheHYPO (talk) 20:08, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fastest 1,000 points?