Talk:Viktor Suvorov/Archive 1

message: Mikkalai, why do you belive his ethnicity should be mentionned? Why is it noteworthy? What does it explain? In what way will it help the reader understand the person, his acts and his ideas? 
Besides, Suvorov writes "Я [...] наполовину русский, наполовину украинец" (http://www.suvorov.com/articles/i001.htm). Yes, I know the rule, and it is as arbitrary as tho opposite one. And it means nothing but tribalist games.
:Some think this is a tribalist game, other think it is a matter of tradition and pride. Are you saying nations don't matter any more? As for "should", it is a non-trivial fact, and there is no justification of fact deletion. Mikkalai 00:00, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You say it is a non-trivial fact. But I asked you why do you believe it is an important, that is a non-trivial, fact in this context, and you didn't answer. As for specifying the ethnicity being a matter of tradition and pride, I simply note that Suvorov himself did not specify his ethnicity in the biography on its home page. I wonder if it is not because he has other accomplishments of which to be proud.--195.141.66.158 16:00, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ethnicity is traditionally considered an important information about a person. Wikipedia is not the place to question its importance, as well as importance of other pieces of info about a person. (E.g. IMO it is not at all important that Suvorov was born on April 20. I doubt if more than 100 persons of several milliard of Earth population celebrate his birthday). This has nothing to do whether I or you think it is important or not, and I will not discuss the issue further. I suggest you to ask question at Talk:Ethnicity why some think it is important. Also, I think the answer will be an important improvement of the Ethnicity article.Mikkalai 21:07, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I observe that you evade my invitation to rationaly justify your point of view and that you invoke "tradition" as your only argument. Until and unless you come with some rational arguments, or at least show that it is Wikipedia's tradition to specify the ethnic origin in similar cases, I will remove the disputed sequence. --212.41.69.75 22:08, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you will persist in deleting true and correct information for the sole reason you think it is unimportant, this will be treated as vandalism, and you will be blocked from editing. Mikkalai 23:21, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  As for wikipedia tradition, the best example is Jews. Tell them about "tribalist games". Mikkalai 01:13, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: While this comment comes a bit too late, I believe it's still relevant. So, Alex, the info on Suvorov's ethnicity is absolutely relevant because it explains why Suvorov includes autobiographical references to mid-lands of Ukraine and historical references to the peasant war (Makhno vs Red Army) of twenties in his books, why he is so pathetic about Kiev, as well as hints on possible additional personal motives that had eventually made him hate the Soviet regime. --ashapochka 00:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnicity of Suvorov 

message: Surely deserve an article to themselves. Does anyone have more information on them? Bastie 04:47, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flying Tanks