Talk:Islam in Poland

message: That's interesting. With the exception of the leadership purge, it sounds like the Nazis more or less left the Polish Muslims alone. Any historians watching out there: is this the case? --Brasswatchman 03:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, they were target no more then Poles themselves - which mean they were hit pretty hard. I have heard nothing about special policies Nazis had for Muslims, but note that since by the time IIWW started Polish Muslim community was so small, it might have slipped most attention of most texts. I thoight I new quite a lot about IIWW in Poland, but I didn't even know there were still Muslims living in Poland by that time...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 04:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  So Polish Muslims weren't targeted by the Holocaust? 

message: Could anybody have a look at adding subsections in that humongous "history" section? Besides, considering it is the only section in the articles, is it really pertinent? shouldn't there be non-historic sections too,like the practiced rites, main sites, repartition within poland? Circeus 18:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll create some sect-stubs. //Halibutt 22:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subsections 

message: There are alot of Chechen s living in Poland and other who fleed there for many decades.They are singificant amongst the Muslim population there.Anyone knowing more can maybe add the mention of Chechens to the article.-Vmrgrsergr 06:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  chechens? 

message: Isn't "5000 muslims" an underestimation or outdated? I could not find any source for this number. There seem not to be any official statistics but most internet sources claim around 30,000 muslims in Poland, e.g. http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3750940,00.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.189.125.88 (talk) 16:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  how many? 

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message: After reverting some vandalism, I went to check the number myself but I can't find any truly RS that cite the 31k number. It seems to vary between 20k-35k in most sources with 20k being the most common and frequent. The book that I found cites 35k however the actual reference they use, I do not believe to be RS as that statistic is cited with this: . However the most common number I'm seeing is 20k and in particular I find Pew research to be reliable. Here are some links to the research I did:
* European report on European Islamophobia Report 2015 - cites 35k (credited to the paper below)
* Paper from U of Warsaw
* Pew research 20k
* POLAND 2014 INTERNATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM REPORT - cites 20k
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thread_title:  31k number? 

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message: Stop this modern historical mythology bullshit. Taking into account the fact that this segment of the article has zero citations (wonder why that could be huh?) and essentially constitutes WP:OR, There is no evidence to my knowledge of ANY trade between Poles and the Tocharians, Yuezhi or Khotanese, nor of any of the peoples of the Tarim basin. Just because some of them had the R1b haplotype genetically does NOT imply a continuous trade connection with Poland, only partially shared (and likely, ancient) ancestry. The link to the "Tokar families" (Which I'm assuming are implied to be Tocharians, but it's not really clear as the sentence is filled with bloody non-sequiturs up the bumhole) just leads to a disambiguation page with absolutely no reference to any Silesian family whatsoever, and even then, this would be an amateur connection at best because the Tocharians did not call themselves Tocharian - the name Tocharian is a neologism coined by 20th century European anthropologists, historians and linguists who wanted to give a name to the people in question, NOT an endonym. And there is no connection beyond similarities beyond Nomenclature between Khotan and the Gotini.
And the line about "Indo-European Central-Asian territories then being invaded and ethnically cleansed by various expanding Turkic Khaganates" is straight up typical NPOV-Breaching Slav Fascist propaganda cutting into WP:UNDUEWEIGHT and WP:POVPUSH, specifically with the claims of ethnic cleansing and the emphasis that the "refugees" (like every people group back then who migrated, same as the "invading Turkic khaganates"?) were "Indo-European Central Asian" (codeword: "Our Aryan Brothers"). Not to mention that the claims of what is essentially genocide are not substantiated by the evidence:
... the western East Asians are more closely related to Uyghurs than the eastern East Asians. ... STRUCTURE cannot distinguish recent admixture from a cline of other origin, and these analyses cannot prove admixture in the Uyghurs; however, historical records indicate that the present Uyghurs were formed by admixture between Tocharians from the west and Orkhon Uyghurs (Wugusi-Huihu, according to present Chinese pronunciation) from the east in the 8th century AD. 
Hell, go to fucking Xinjiang. I have. You will see a few Uyghurs with fair hair or blue-green eyes. Tocharians weren't killed off, they mingled with Turkic peoples, and later, other Western and Eastern peoples, and even today they are generally genetically closer to the West than the East. That is not genocide, shove off with this thinly veiled racist mythology bullshit. 
Finally, even after all of this was mentioned, this entire segment has no WP:RELEVANCE to this Wikipedia page, Islam in Poland', as the Khotanese and Tocharians WERE NOT MUSLIMS.'
Are Poles in the business of making up bollocks history now to suit their modern political views about muslim immigration nowadays? I'm not surprised given the fact that it's now illegal to speak freely of any Polish involvement in Nazi war crimes on punishment of up to four years in prison. And to think people believe the backwards Polak nation couldn't fall any further! HA!
I'm deleting this hot mess.
Dancetothehouse (talk) 06:32, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: "go to fucking Xinjiang", "backwards Polak nation"? Please be civil and refrain from using vulgar statements. Wikipedia is not a Facebook comments section. You can contribute to WP, or remove unsourced text without resorting to similar rants. - Darwinek (talk) 15:36, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV breaching Conspiracy theory bullshit with racist elements about "Tocharian traders and refugees" 

message: "Despite the fact that Muslims in Poland constitute less than 0.1% of the total population, stereotypes, verbal, violent, and physical displays of anti-Islam are widespread and, mostly, socially acceptable.[2][17] Vandalism and attacks on the very few existing mosques are reported,[18][19] and women (especially converts) who cover themselves are seen as "traitors" to their own culture.[citation needed]"
This does not strike me as a very adequate characterisation of the current situation of the Muslims in Poland. If you guys wanna be taken seriously & not make fools of yourselves maybe you should quote a range of reputable, knowledgeable and neutral sources. 2003:E6:701:2B17:94F5:E45B:6153:AE (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violence against Muslims 

message: "Despite the fact that Muslims in Poland constitute less than 0.1% of the total population, stereotypes, verbal, violent, and physical displays of anti-Islam are widespread and, mostly, socially acceptable.[2][17] Vandalism and attacks on the very few existing mosques are reported,[18][19] and women (especially converts) who cover themselves are seen as "traitors" to their own culture.[citation needed]"
This does not strike me as a very adequate characterisation of the current situation of the Muslims in Poland. If you guys wanna be taken seriously & not make fools of yourselves maybe you should quote a range of reputable, knowledgeable and neutral sources. 2003:E6:701:2B17:94F5:E45B:6153:AE (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violence against Muslims 

message: the map should be replaced by one with colors that make it more easy to read off the corresponding values of the legend. 128.237.82.5 (talk) 21:16, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  shades of green on the map difficult to distinguish