Talk:Belleville High School (Michigan)

message: Have a look at other schools and see if you can improve this ... supply basic details on the alumni (eg footballer). Add an infobox Victuallers 14:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is what I did good enough, Vic? I gave it an info box and got rid of most of the text wall of history. Anything else I could do? I'm a student at this school, so it wouldn't be that hard for me to get more informaation. :3 DMDakata 16:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could try making it not redundant.68.54.174.43 02:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: This shouldn't be a controversial inclusion. It exists, there is proof it exists, its lineup is in the newspaper every week, but that doesn't make for a particularly good citation. I can contact the papers to see if I can get access to archives and get the citations on the fanfare when it was launched but frankly 's removal took place without the benefit of a tag, and over the weekend so I haven't had a chance. Student media can even have its own pages if notable enough, and if it doesn't meet that threshold a section on the school's page is absolutely appropriate. PeRshGo (talk) 02:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You mentioned WP:N in your edit summary. Notability does not apply to contents. Sourcing independence always does. By definition, an encyclopedia is tertiary. In short, as it applies to this article, that means this: We do not write about Bellville High School; we write about what is written about Bellville High School. School article guidelines are clear that we are not to include information that is strictly of interest to the local community.  If you cannot provide sources to anything but the school and Comcast, I'd say that has not been shown. Outside of the school, who cares how the daily announcements get made? Although it isn't exactly clear from the copy, it appears this is also the local cable access channel? That might be pertinent in the city's article, but since by definition it is only available locally, how is it encyclopedic? We do not write social (some call it political) geography articles for the locals. How does it matter to Bennie in Bhopal or Bill in Boise? That being said, I would not object to a mention of the student newspaper's title nor the cable access channel's call sign with non independent sourcing. However, unless the details merited coverage outside metro Detroit, they are not encyclopedic.  This isn't the school's webpage. John from Idegon (talk) 03:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is you cannot lose sight of what we're attempting to write here, which are encyclopedia articles. If Bennie in Bhopal or Bill in Boise care about looking up Belleville High School at all, what is likely important is the base statistics and the hand full of most unique things about it. In Belleville High School's case those things may very well be that it burned down several times, it has historically had one of the largest bands in the state if not the largest, and it runs its own cable station. Interestingly enough the best articles in the Schools Wikiproject include these sorts of things. Now the article used to have all these things, but around 2013 you started cutting them away one by one, and with every successive edit it's become less valuable as an encyclopedia article, and become at best a directory listing. The rules of Wikipedia exist for the purposes of creating good Wikipedia articles,  and the moment those rules get in the way of making good articles well, WP:FATRAT comes into play. Now, I'm getting ready to include a few more references for WBHS that should put this particular issue to rest, but I think there's a big problem with the fact that we used to have a decent article back in 2013 and now we don't.  PeRshGo (talk) 04:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So you've added some references from some very small time local rags that this school has a vocational program in television production. Whoopie. Not even close to unique. Not relevant except maybe from a hometown viewpoint. Do you realize that there are numerous schools (some in Michigan) that own actual broadcast stations? Guidelines tell us we do not discuss individual course offerings unless they are unique. Your additions are not convincing. John from Idegon (talk) 05:33, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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