Talk:Champa

message: Which role is played by the Champa in Cambodia? If I am not mistaken, they form a minority there now.
=Mike
Refer to the Cham article to give a breakdown of religous identity in Viet Nam. The Islamic Population website states the current Islamic Cham population to be around 500,000, so that would mean around 555,000 Cham in Cambodia. L-Bit 03:01, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Is the kings list accurate?  I'm getting completely different kings from both the articles in Wikipedia (from the succession boxes) and from several sources.  If it isn't accurate, I would remove it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esnaz (talk • contribs) 21:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kings List? 

message: The History section is getting quite big due to a fair bit of recent expansion (yay!) and could use its own article. Anyone feel like taking this on, or have any suggestions? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 21:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing split 

message: The breaking off of champa from han dynasty ruled central vietnam
http://books.google.com/books?id=3U014Ik_cvAC&pg=PA20#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://m.eb.com/topic/105118
http://worldvisitguide.com/salle/EP0840.html
http://www.vietnam-beauty.com/cities/da-nang.html
http://www.khmerview.com/History-of-Champa.html
Rajmaan (talk) 04:16, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foundation of champa 

message: An arab named Abu Hasan was sent by Champa as an envoy to Song dynasty China. This shows early muslim presence in Champa.
http://books.google.com/books?id=MBGYb84A7SAC&pg=PA228#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=xrNDwP0pS8sC&pg=PA158&lpg=PA158&dq=abu+hasan+greek+rose+water+champa&source=bl&ots=NPT7OK-2p1&sig=Ol4RzGSjLpu6wsHC_9S7WydOjQ0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=l2LFUPHLM-PV0gGZ9oGYDA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=abu%20hasan%20greek%20rose%20water%20champa&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=jqAGIL02BWQC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=abu+hasan+greek+rose+water+champa&source=bl&ots=dGvUZ4rGw3&sig=X6ZcZnL3sqAj4Ezopt57JBwjeWw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=l2LFUPHLM-PV0gGZ9oGYDA&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=abu%20hasan%20greek%20rose%20water%20champa&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=yaeESYegRXMC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=abu+hasan+greek+rose+water+champa&source=bl&ots=iNUYKUvpjb&sig=gax8I5zL7OEAGOLzhSR3zOa1cR8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=l2LFUPHLM-PV0gGZ9oGYDA&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=abu%20hasan%20greek%20rose%20water%20champa&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=yaeESYegRXMC&oi=fnd&pg=PA48&dq=abu+hasan+greek+rose+water+champa&ots=iNUYK0Bsqf&sig=qBKL9d2ccEl3hYQrcFIhR2C9bLE#v=onepage&q=abu%20hasan%20greek%20rose%20water%20champa&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=YJibpHfnw94C&pg=PA191&dq=abu+champa&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AGHFUNi1NKaZ0QHJzIGABQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=abu%20champa&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=iDyJBFTdiwoC&pg=PA316&dq=abu+champa&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AGHFUNi1NKaZ0QHJzIGABQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=abu%20champa&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=fjsEn3w4TPgC&pg=PT61&dq=abu+champa&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AGHFUNi1NKaZ0QHJzIGABQ&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBw
http://books.google.com/books?id=vIUmU2ytmIIC&pg=PA174&dq=abu+champa&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AGHFUNi1NKaZ0QHJzIGABQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=abu%20champa&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=fjsEn3w4TPgC&pg=PT61&dq=abu+cham&hl=en&sa=X&ei=42DFUIKREc-K0QGX1YGYDA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA
http://books.google.com/books?id=fj8l8v_yP5oC&pg=PA109&dq=abu+champa&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AGHFUNi1NKaZ0QHJzIGABQ&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=abu%20champa&f=false
Page 183
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http://books.google.com/books?id=_mtxM6KAYvMC&pg=PA458&dq=abu+cham&hl=en&sa=X&ei=42DFUIKREc-K0QGX1YGYDA&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=abu%20cham&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=hNcZJ35dIyUC&pg=PA86&dq=champa+gunpowder&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sNVKU5bAIOGgsQS9v4DIBw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=champa%20gunpowder&f=false
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1360200022000027393
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=7451000
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/brill/sho/2004/00000047/00000002/art00004
http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com/content/journals/10.1163/1568520041262305
Rajmaan (talk) 05:01, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Abu Hasan and Champa's relations with Song China

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http://books.google.com/books?id=6QPWXrCCzBIC&pg=PA100#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 21:36, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: What is the necessity of nagari script labelled name to be present in this article ac Champa kingdom and their people have nothing to do with Devanagari writing Indians.--Tan Meifen (talk) 08:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nagari script in Champa article 

message: http://m.voa-islam.com/news/world-world/2009/07/01/96/history-of-islam-in-vietnam/
http://www.angelfire.com/vt/vietnamesemuslims/hstry.html
Jihad against Vietnam
http://chamunesco.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=110:the-raja-praong-ritual-a-memory-of-the-sea-in-cham-malay-relations&catid=45:van-hoa&Itemid=120
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http://www.onislam.net/english/health-and-science/news/477317-muslim-region-moves-toward-unesco-recognition.html
http://www.onislam.net/english/health-and-science/news/477427-new-discovery-reveals-champas-rooted-identity.html
http://www.onislam.net/english/health-and-science/news/479645-champas-unesco-recognized-sites-collapse.html
http://www.onislam.net/english/politics/asia/459039-cham-muslims-liberate-not-expatriate.html
http://www.onislam.net/english/culture-and-entertainment/books/426394-islams-journey-into-southeast-asia.html
Rajmaan (talk) 09:00, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Annexation of Champa to Vietnam, and Cham resistance 

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Rajmaan (talk) 05:38, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old photos of Cham people 

message: Vietnam fears that if the issue of Cham relations to the disputed south China sea islands are brought up, Cham would demand atuonomy from Vietnam since they were violently conquered by the Vietnamese. Vietnam has put more restrictions of Cham culture and customs recently.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140616-south-china-sea-vietnam-china-cambodia-champa/
Rajmaan (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnamese fears of Cham autonomy over South China sea disputes 

message: Crossbow technology was transferred from the Chinese to Champa, which Champa used in its invasion of the Khmer Empire's Angkor in 1177.
https://books.google.com/books?id=6osQI3ig9UAC&pg=PT42&dq=champa+crossbows+chinese+angkor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7B6rVMrCGsWpNvL9grgG&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=champa%20crossbows%20chinese%20angkor&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=TWc3P0ZqEbAC&pg=PA145&dq=champa+crossbows+chinese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9R6rVP36Mo_igwSzu4TQDA&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=champa%20crossbows%20chinese&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 07:17, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  crossbow technology transfer from China to Champa 

message: I have a number of concerns with this section of the article.
 
I have travelled to Vietnam on a number of occasions particularly to the areas where Cham people live, and I have seen no evidence of the Vietnamese Government or anyone else trying to destroy the Cham culture or religion. I have visited a number of Cham monuments and the Cham Museum in Danang and have seen respect shown by the Vietnamese people towards the Cham people. Religious ceremonies are still alive and vibrant, for example those held at the Cham monument Poklong Garai at Thap Cham and regular dance and music performances at the Danang Museum.
Land being taken by the government in Vietnam is not something experienced only by the Cham people, but has caused disputes with a whole range of ethnic groups, including the Kinh (Viet).
There is a recently built structure on the beach front at Nha Trang copying the Cham architecture. Several Railway Station buildings are styled on Cham buildings including Thap Cham itself. There are also several important modern Cham cultural centres again including the one at Thap Cham and the new Cham museum at Phan Rang. These are all supported by the Vietnamese Government and local People's Committees, so the complete opposite of what is stated in the article.
While the writer seems to be basing his/her comments on one reference article, I can't do that, but I do have my eyes and ears.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aussiegrey (talk • contribs) 08:40, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cham People in Vietnam Today 

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message: Why is Champa discussed as a singular kingdom in this article and others, even with a capital, when it was a collection of independent polities? Was there a degree of unity in Champa? How independent were these polities? 49.106.201.36 (talk) 03:14, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singular kingdom or independent polities? 

message: We need more information on how strong their military is, and why they lost to Vietnam most of the time and Khmer sometimes. We need to expand on what armor they're wearing and what kinds of weapons they wield like any gunpowder weapons? We also need to expand on the types of warships do they use to combat the Vietnamese and the Khmer. Can anyone provide links to them? Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 20:42, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military