Talk:Great Famine (Ireland)/Archive 8

message: Could this sentence properly be placed in the "evictions" section that starts "From 1846 a disastrous application of the laissez faire..." or anywhere else in this article?; "In Tipperary, this sparked the Tipperary Revolt, which was an unsuccessful nationalist revolt against British rule that was put-down on July 29, 1848 by a government police force."
--mav 07:38, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphan factiod 

message: It's not clear from reading the sectioin "The effect of laissez-faire economics" what the connection between laissez-faire and the famine is supposed to be.  The first paragraph makes the point that England at the time was industrialized, but it hardly follows that agricultural prices will fall.  One might expect them to increase as English population and purchasing power rise.  It may be that there is a meaningful connection, but it should be stated more clearly.  The second paragraph contains one sentence tentatively blaming poor relief efforts on laissez-faire, which is a fair point as far as it goes.  The third paragraph concerns problems with absentee landlords of large estates; this could arguably be described as a problem caused by private property (although a society without private property will not necessarily allow free hunting), but it is clearly not a case of laissez-faire, given that the article pointedly states that, rather than "leave things alone", the British government had stolen the land in question and awarded it to the landholders.
We should probably just change the title of the section. - Nat Krause 06:49, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 1.1: The effect of laissez-faire economics

message: I've moved this page to Irish Potato Famine, on the following grounds:
*It's the proper name of a historical event, like the Battle of Hastings, the Holocaust and the Boston Tea Party. It's not an Irish potato famine, it's the Irish Potato Famine.
*Google searches show more support for the all-caps title than the lower caps title (this is guesstimated, however, because Google is not case sensitive).
*The article spells it this way, as well as all the other titles.
*Britannica also does it.
JRM 19:41, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
Firstly it is one of a at least seven Irish potato famines. Secondly its actual name was the Great Irish Famine. Irish potato famine is a generic name, not the actual one, so it should not have been capitalised. Thirdly you never corrected the links. FearÉIREANN 22:46, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitals 

message: Anyone care to explain why the article was moved form Irish Potato Famine to it's current form. In the form that it is in now it implies there is multiple Potato Famine in Ireland, that have as such of an importance as this one to warrant chronological entries. Now granted my Irish history is not as good as some on here, but i don't recall their being another one of such magnitude as this one, either historically, economically, or socially. Any way this move should have went threw the Requestied moves, unlike the previous move which was just a question of capitalization of letters, which if it was it was never tagged on this page, and it seems a rather arbitrary move. Any way i am moving the page back to its previous location, and any move form that location should be requested or consulted with the community before hand. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 22:04, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved? 

message: There are some words on aid received, but they are under 'evictions'.  This deserves a heading in its own right --ClemMcGann 23:52, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Aid

message: :we need a better review on the numbers who starved
:however, imo, a section on aid received is more urgent --ClemMcGann 10:13, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Figures 

message: As is noted in the first paragraph, the 'Irish Potato Famine' is widely known as the Great Famine, particularly in Ireland. But when I did a Wiki search for this phrase, I came up blank. Couldn't you put in a link to this phrase too? -Aoife
:Done.
:By the way, you can easily "sign" your talk posts by including four tildes (~~~~) after your post. When you press (Save changes), these will be replaced by your username in a handy Wikilinked format and a timestamp for your edit will also be included.
:Atlant 11:58, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Great Famine 

message: I note that the below section (hidden - edit to view), The effect of laissez-faire economics was removed, as visible in this diff. Was this deliberate? While the section was undoubtably better suited for the end of the article, it seems that little of the material was reintegrated. -St|eve 17:12, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section removed? 

message: A user RMoloney keeps taking this bit out, "This was a deliberate genocide against the Irish people by the British government. Some contend that if this is called a "famine", then the holocaust should be called "The Great Oxygen Deprivation Period". This is not POV, it is fact. 
If you take away people's food, they die. If you put them in camps and take away their oxygen, they die. What is the difference? Nothing, and it is irrational to say otherwise. If this "famine" happened in Yorkshire, the English government would have reacted differently. That is also a fact. --Celtic1
: These are not facts, they are POVs in a historical/political debate which is covered in the article under the section "Suggestions of genocide". --Ryano 13:11, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The other point is that the sentence "Some contend that if this is called a 'famine', then the holocaust should be called 'The Great Oxygen Deprivation Period'," appears to be original research. Are you quoting an expert on this, or is this your own assessment?  RMoloney (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deliberate Genocide 

message: Not sure who wrote the following comment (as it was unsigned) but I thought I should put it and my subsequent reply down here in case the person concerned may wish to reply. 83.70.154.81 00:58, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Land/Theft:Comments

message: I have added the details of some memorials in the UK that were not listed or mentioned. Two are in Liverpool and a third in Cardiff, both "cities overseas with large populations descended from Irish immigrants." 
Privatehudson 14:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memorials in the UK 

message: I've had a very hard time working out the political causes of the famine. The information is probably in there, but it is back to front and mixed up, and I don't have the knowledge or patience to dig it out. For example, I found political causes listed under the heading of blight! I think the causes should be organised into political, social, economic and natual headings, like this:
*Causes
**Political
***The various Goverments, laws etc.
**Social
***Traditional land division
***Potato monoculture
***Emigration
**Economic
***Exports to England
**Natural
***Blight
This would lead to some minor duplication, I admit, but easy reference is preferable to efficiency (within reason). The third-level headings are just fillers of course, I'm no expert on the famine...but I'd be a lot closer to one if the article was organised better! ;-) --Tom Edwards 13:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Causes of the famine (constructive criticism)