Talk:Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles

message: How is the client list relevant here?  I consider it listcruft in this case.  As I mentioned in my edit summary, all a list such as that does is indicate that yeah, they have customers.  Unless an individual customer is significant to the history of CAF, such as a company whose order launched them as a business, or otherwise significantly altered their operation, it be left out.  And then with the criteria mentioned, it could be worked into the text itself rather than as part of a list.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You answered yourself, my friend. That's the main reason why the client list IS important here. CAF is the main world provider of rolling stock. CAF's clients are VERY important public rail companies in the world, IE AMTRAK, it's not "ya know, client list uh?". Ask any rail transport expert and they will let you know why CAF's clients are very relevant. I won't revert until I have clear that you understand my point, but... if we don't agree I will have to raise the case, ok? David (talk) 19:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Every individual client is not necessarily notable in the context of CAF.  CAF may be notable in the context of the client (e.g. no one would argue for removing CAF from Metrorail rolling stock (Washington, D.C.)), but it doesn't necessarily work the other way around.  A good example of what I mean is Flxible.  There is no client list on that article, and the only client mentioned is New York City, and there, only in the context of problems with 870 frames, which is notable in the context of Flxible in that it was a large order that produced many defective units, and the buses ultimately came back.  Otherwise, finding out that a company has manufactured for many transit agencies doesn't make it special.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Ok, we get to the point... is there any WRITTEN norm that states this? or is it your humble opinion? David (talk) 09:06, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no policy or guideline that I know of that addresses this, however, we are hammering out some discussion on this now, which contributes to a "written norm" of sorts.  Also see Talk:Flxible#Removal_of_customer_list for a similar, though less-productive discussion.  However, as the list itself had no citation, I can also challenge it on the basis of WP:V, as indicated at WP:LIST.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

text: And removed again.  What does this add to the article?  It says, "We have customers."  Whoopty-doo.  With no customers, we would change CAF from an "is" to a "was".  I have yet to hear a convincing argument for inclusion of client lists.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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