Talk:Thai lunar calendar

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message: This is rather an important article, because many others refer to it for clarification of lunatic dates; but it is also rather a mess. I'm currently working on revising it in my Sandbox. Anyone want to come play with me? Pawyilee (talk) 09:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and published my new version as I finally got around to reading Diller and found I had put a lot of BS in the old. For instance, Thai lunar months do have names, it's just that nobody uses them. So, I said as much but left the names out as Diller did not give Thai spellings. I also heavily revised his list at (5.3) Thai holidays and festivals regulated by the moon where he lists the last day of Moon 10 (name phatrabot) as Sa:t, food-cake presentation. I figured out the Thai spelling, and found it in the Online Royal Institute Dictionary [ORID] at สารท ๑ (สาด). (The ORID is more than a bit tricky to use.) But if you look at a current calendar, you'll find it named Tesagarn Kin Jae 9 Wan (Thai: เทศกาลกินเจ ๕ วัน) (sometimes prefixed begin), as the beginning of a Nine-day Vegetarian Festival. So, in the process I discovered we need an article on Vegetarian Festival (Thailand). Go-ogling up the subject returns many opinions that it is strictly a Chinese Buddhist phenomenon, and you can read a fairly good if un-scholarly article about it here. I feel sure Bangladeshi Madhu Purnima is related. In the latter, you can read about an elephant bringing fruit and a monkey bringing honey to Lord Buddha, and you can see those images in wats everywhere. Anyway, other bloggers think the Vegetarian Festival was invented by Thai Chinese Buddhists in the 19th C., first in Phuket but it has now spread to many other places, including a place on the calendar! Kin Jae กินเจ is also in the ORID, and if you see a restaurant displaying เจ in Chinese-like brush strokes, it's not the number 17 but the mark of a strictly vegetarian menu. I just don't know how to leap the no-original-research hurdle. Pawyilee (talk) 16:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Someone started Vegetarian Festival and, so far,it only about the one in Phuket. Most of the pertinent information, however, is at Nine Emperor Gods Festival#Celebration in Thailand. Pawyilee (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any editor who can read Thai and wants to help might try เทศกาลสารท and เทศกาลสารทจีน. Pawyilee (talk) 14:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

text: That "Wan khao phansa is totally irrelevant in this respect", i.e., in counting New Years, is relevant to the article, and I deleted the "totally irrelevant" entry. Most of the rest of what Bhante added to this mess on the Talk page belongs not here but at Talk:Thaification. --Pawyilee (talk) 04:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Kathin can be observed any day before the next full moon, but it is not accurate that a temple only does this one day (though it might have one main public day). In fact families and groups who want to participate will schedule a one (or multiple) day event at their home and one of those days go to the temple and make the offerings and have a ceremony with some of the monks. When this is done is a scheduled event in these cases. --Jeffmcneill (talk) 07:20, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Revising

message: * Years section should have some discussion at the beginning as to why the Thai calendar has different year lengths. This information is not presented and makes understanding the calendar hard to do. I assume it has something to do with the Lunar cycle and reading onward clarifies it, but it needs to be defined at the beginning of the year section in a clear way. I've tried to do this, but it needs to be checked by someone more knowledgable.
* Some sections could be cleaned up and prosified to avoid the excessive use of bullet lists. I have done this with the month section to remove the excessive headings. I think it works, but what I've done should be checked.
* The heavy use of bolding should be removed. It makes things hard to read
* I've removed some of the language cues after they have been used the first time. Using them over and over clutters the article and makes it hard to read. This should probably be done for the whole article.
* Some effort needs to be made to rewrite some of this material to clarify it. It seems to be unnecessarily vague in places. 
* This article contains almost no references for this material. Sourcing is needed.
--Lendorien (talk) 15:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: * I've done some of the changes listed above. --Lendorien (talk) 18:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup Suggestions

message: How did the traditional Thai lunar calendar count or name years? For example, the year 1601 by Western reckoning was the 6th year of the imperial era of Keicho in Japan, and the 30th year of the reign of the Wanli Emperor in China. Did the Thai calendar use some kind of era name, like China and Japan? Or did it count purely using numbers, like the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim calendars? Or did it not count at all, simply identifying the year as a Year of the Rat or a Year of the Ox or whatever without actually counting years? LordAmeth (talk) 01:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How were years counted or named? 

message: Someone added, "However, the ethnic Thais will consider the year to assume a new zodiacal animal at Songkran (13 April), not at Chinese New Year." TRUE: Indic-origin Songkran is considered by many ethnic groups, including Tai, to mark the start of a new year, but authoritative citation needed to support the claim, which is FALSE as far as I know, that any of the groups, especially the Thai, use this occasion to change to the next Chinese Animal of the Year. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the dates printed in Thai-language newspapers, you will see that the animal year does change at Songkran. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can confirm this, in the book by J.C.Eade () it is said that the only thing not sure is whether the year change occurred at the begin of the lunar month before Songkran as claimed by e.g. Coedes, whereas an inscription from 1777 CE suggests that the change occurred at Songkran itself. andy (talk) 20:51, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. I'll check a paper! --Pawyilee (talk) 03:05, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I wrote FALSE as far as I know, and finding out that what I thought I knew was what was false sent me scrambling after the strikethrough trick. And I wish Ahoerstemeier or Paul would replace .  And now the Twelve-year animal cycle names table New Year's Day column must be changed to "Chinese New Year's Day." I'm trying to figure out how best to do that over in my sandbox. --Pawyilee (talk) 12:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please look in my sandbox now, and see if you can improve it. I don't know how to center tables, or center info in columns (below the headings, which are centered.) --Pawyilee (talk) 12:44, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add the citation probably tonight, then I can add the page number as well. By the way, you're welcome to create an account here, then it will be more comfortable to contact you, especially if you use more than one IP. And an account is even more anonymous than the IP, which can trace where you come from... andy (talk) 13:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Posted --Pawyilee (talk) 08:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Took my sandbox back. --Pawyilee (talk) 13:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Year Animal 

message: Just to post a note here.
The word thin (ทิน) in patithin (ปฏิทิน, "calendar") is not from thinnakon (ทินกร, "sun"). The word thin is from Sanskrit dina, meaning day or days.
Patithin is composed of pati (ปฏิ, from Sanskrit paṭi, meaning "for, specific, separate, individual or against") and thin (ทิน, "day"). Patithin is thus from Sanskrit paṭidina and literally means: for days, specific days, day by day, day against day, each day, daily, etc.
So, thin is not from thinnakon. Thinnakon is composed of thinna (ทิน, "day" / thin is pronounced thinna when forming the first part of a compound word according to the rule of "samat" (สมาส)) and kon (กร, from Pali or Sanskrit, kara, meaning "doer or maker"). Thinnakon, from Sanskrit dinakara, literally means one who makes the day, that is, the sun.
The opposite word is rattikon (รัตติกร), from ratti (รัตติ, from Pali ratti, meaning "night") + kon. Rattikon, from Pali rattikara (Sanskrit equivalent is rātrikara), literally means one who makes the night, that is, the moon.
--Aristitleism (talk) 17:35, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of ''patithin'' 

message: The red and yellow is rather garish, isn't it? 86.132.220.76 (talk) 11:21, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather garish? You are an exemplar of understatement. Change it straightaway. Seligne (talk) 12:19, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have to agree, garish indeed. And the table doesn't really add much information. A list with the same info would be useful. --Jeffmcneill (talk) 07:48, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of colour 

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message: I hope even the non-mathematical among you will grasp that Thai lunar dates cannot be determined if we can't even find the beginning of Month 1!!  From this page all we learn is what is NOT -- it isn't Songkran; it isn't Chinese New Year -- and what it USUALLY is -- "usually sometime in December."  Good enogugh for tourists chatting over beers at a Thai beach?  I guess so.  But this should NOT be the standard for Wikipedia.
The article states
"An extra day or an extra 30-day month is intercalated at regular intervals."
Anyone have a cite for this?  Tell us what the "regularity" is and we can devise an algorithm to determine the Thai months.  Until we get a cite for "regular" I've changed the text to read "irregular." Jamesdowallen (talk) 09:13, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Irregular" -- Thai Lunar Calendar page doesn't explain ... the Thai Lunar Calendar!! 

message: The article says that the TLC is "based on the SuriyaYatra" but there is no information about this SuriyaYatra. (SuriyaYatra links to this article for the moment). Can anyone clarify? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:46, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Based on the SuriyaYatra?