Talk:Business method patent

message: In the recent guidelines on patentable subject matter that the USPTO has issued, the have reiterated their position that electromagnetic signals per se, do not fall into one of the four classes of patentable subject matter.  None the less, they have asked for comments from the public.  Below are arguments FOR the patentabiliy of electromagnetic signals.  There is also room for arguments against patentability.  Wiki editors are invited to contribute and enhance both sets of arguments.--Nowa 21:43, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Electromagnetic signals are not business methods, so they sohould not be discussed here. They are a concept from electrical engineering. Rbakels (talk) 01:40, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patentability of electromagnetic signals 

message: This article lacks an info on the debate in the US over the kinds of business method patents current be handed out. For example,  Amazon.com One-click patent has been used as a example of a claimed problem with current patent law as it pertains to business methods. Their are US patent law critics who argue that business method patents should be restricted to a greater degree then they currently are in the US. Some even go so far as to argue they be prohibited outright. I am not fully versed on the arguments for and against the current state of business method patent availability but someone who is should add something on the controversy and debate. --Cab88 10:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cab88, thank you for your comments.  A good place to discuss controversy surrounding business method patents might be software patent debate.  The issues are similar, since business method patents are largely computer implemented inventions.--Nowa 11:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy over current degree US business method patent availability 

message: Is there a list somewhere of different business method patents?  Some concrete examples for discussion would sure help out, instead of generalities about them.
~ender 2007-11-23 10:38:AM MST
:The USPTO puts most "business method patents" into class 705.  This link will show you a list Current issued US patents in class 705.--Nowa (talk) 17:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of business method patents? 

message: The recent move was clearly inapprorpriate, and at least unnecessary for two reasons:
#WP:NCCN - USe common names for things. The hyphen is certainly not in common usage.
#The lack of a hyphen does not result in any ambiguity, and is therefore unnecessary and, according to the article on compound modifier advised against by various style guides.
Thanks for listening. GDallimore (Talk) 09:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: This article, at least insofar as it concerns US law, badly needs an update in light of the 2014 Supreme Court decision in Alice v CLS Bank and subsequent Federal Circuit cases. PraeceptorIP (talk) 19:09, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but it's still a bit early to tell what the actual impact will be.--Nowa (talk) 19:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

text: I have tagged the corresponding sections for now. --Edcolins (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update needed 

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message: I have changed the name of the section "background" into "definition, since that better reflects its contents. I have removed the first paragraph of this section since it was not specific for business method patents.
Sometimes business methods are equated to non-technical subject-matter, but technical business methods have been identified by the EPO.
I added a sentence to the very first paragraph to improve NPOV. Perhaps business method patents indeed are a valuable assets to some firms, but there area also numerous strong oppontents against business methods. Rbakels (talk) 01:59, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you please reinsert what you had added but with proper references? I have reverted your edits for now. Thanks. --Edcolins (talk) 19:57, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Background" 

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message: Business method patents are supposed to be introduced by the "State Street" court decision in the US in 1998, but ths very decision argues that "business method patent" is not a proper category, explaining why examiners had difficulties in distinguishing such patents. The court says that business method patent applications should be assessed in the same way as any other patent application, including the judicially created "abstract idea" exception that is part of US patent law.
So it is questionable whether the article should give a business method patent definition at all. Rbakels (talk) 15:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: This article needs to explain the crucial difference between a business method and a business model. The very idea of patentable business methods has made people believe you can now patent mere business models. You can't patent it when you're simply the first person to provide a camera rental service, in order to keep everybody else on the planet from renting out cameras. If you're the first person in the world to use Audacity (audio editor) to record or mix music without you having written the software (or owning the rights to the program), you can't file a patent to make everybody on earth pay royalties to you when they do the same. The very fact that you've edited wedding photos in Photoshop before doesn't put you in the position of being able to sue anybody else using Photoshop to edit wedding photos, unless you're Adobe. --2003:DA:CF0A:F294:686B:7CDE:7FD1:8E41 (talk) 07:59, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In my observation this page does an ok (not great) job of summarizing the complex jurisprudence on this very idea. The top thing that it needs the most is good research but it is hard to know where to begin as it is in a pretty loose status. What you are saying are good common sense interpretations but in academic sources things are very seldom that cut and dry and most legal scholars wouldn't categorically say you can't do something that is only a hypothetical. Jorahm (talk) 18:56, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Method vs. model