Talk:Huo Yuanjia

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message: Quoted from the official Chin Woo Federation website:
Grandmaster Huo Yan Jia (founder of Chin Woo, 1867 - 1909) was the fourth child in the family of 10 brothers and sisters. During his childhood, he frequently became ill and, as a result, was often taken advantage of by the other children in his province. Ironically, Master Huo’s father, who was teaching kungfu, refused to teach his son the martial art. Therefore the young Huo was forced to hide behind bushes and watch as his father taught other students in the courtyard. Master Huo practiced on his own for the next 10 years. His parents never discovered this until he began to fight with his peers and defeat them. Later, his father officially accepted him and taught his younger son all that he knew. One day, he fought with a foreigner and immediately gained fame. It was during this time that many foreigners were in China, and some referred to the Chinese as the “Sick Men of Asia.” To keep the Chinese image, Master Huo decided to organize the Chin Woo School to allow all Chinese the opportunity to learn Chinese kungfu and strengthen themselves in order to defend the country. In 1909, a European wrestler was sent to Shanghai to challenge any Chinese that would accept. News quickly spread all over Shanghai. Later, some Chinese people invited Master Huo to Shanghai to accept the challenge. He seized the opportunity and emerged victorious. This incident further escalated Master Huo’s reputation.
As word of his victory further spread, so did the Chin Woo spirit. Unfortunately, in August 1909, Master Huo died, but on March 3, 1910, Mr. Chen Gong Zhe, Mr. Yao Chan Bo and Mr. Lu Wei Chang reopened the Chin Woo school. After Master Huo Yan Jia passed away, his younger brother, Mr. Huo Yuan Siang, and his son, Mr. Huo Tong Ker, continued to teach at the Chin Woo Association. Later, many famous martial-arts masters were invited to teach in Chin Woo. Even though they came from different schools, they all followed Chin Woo regulations. Thus Chin Woo became a famous and popular martial-arts association in Shanghai. Chin Woo sponsored most of the martial-arts tournaments. However, in 1966, Shanghai Chin Woo was forced to discontinue their martial-arts activities due to communist regulations. Those restrictions were later lifted, and martial-arts activities were again alive in the Shanghai Chin Woo.
After the death of Master Huo, Chin Woo was reorganized to make it available to other parts of China and Asia. In 1920, Shanghai Chin Woo sent representatives to Southeast Asia. Mr. Li Hui Seng, Mr. Luo Xiao Ao, Mr. Chen Gong Zhe, Mr. Ye Shu Tian, and Mrs. Chen Shi Chao made their first stop in Saigon, Vietnam. They opened the first Chin Woo School there and later in parts of Malaysia and Singapore. To prove their skills, they were often required to give demonstrations or accept challenges. By 1923, these five Chin Woo Masters had opened Chin Woo schools all over Southeast Asia and visited nine different countries. Of the five masters, Mr. Ye Shu Tian was considered the most knowledgeable in kungfu.
Source: http://www.chinwoo.com/history.htm Hopefully, someone will make use of the above quote and improve the article. MastaFighta (talk) 04:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. See Reliable sources. Since Huo Yuanjia co-founded Chin Woo Athletic Association, Chin Woo is very close to the origin of this topic and has a self-interest in presenting Yuanjia in a positive light. Since chinwoo.com is a primary source and not a disinterested, third-party source, the use of information from chinwoo.com in this Wikipedia article may be limited. -- Kittlesworthme (talk) 17:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Chin Woo Information 

message: Google books has some material that would be good in the article. See this and this. Kittlesworthme (talk) 15:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Did this guy even exist or is it just nonsense from the movie?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.9.46 (talk) 06:08, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, according to the article this person existed. However it is unclear whether the fight between him and Huo Yuanjia did actually take place.   Lonelydarksky (暗無天日)  contact me (聯絡) 07:53, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Hercules O'Brien

message: At the end of WWII there were two groups fighting for power in China.  One was a national group and the other communist.  One of the reasons why the Chin Woo school was formed was to train fighters to prevent the communist party from taking over China.  That was why money was sent from Sun Yat-sen and Song Jiaoren to help build it.  20 years later during the height of the Cultural Revolution, the communist government tried to repress the Chin Woo school.  I believe that some of the editing done is to hide much of these facts as possible.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huo Xin (talk • contribs) 20:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sun Yat-Sen died in 1925, twenty years before the end of WWII and almost twenty years after the events of the movie.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.9.46 (talk) 17:05, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Here's some of the main points of the edit I made on 19th March 2009.
* Removed the National Decay section because it was not really relevant to Huo Yuanjia. The page should place more focus on Huo's life rather than China in the late Qing Dynasty.
* Removed/rephrased information written in a far too nationalistic tone. Some of the information was written in a very nationalistic/propagandist tone and seemed to be very biased against Europeans and Japanese. The article should present the information in a neutral tone.
* Rephrased some sentences for better grammar and sentence structure. Some of the sentences were far too long and inappropriate vocabulary was used sometimes.
* Omitted some long-winded and unnecessary description on the adaptations. There are already links to the pages of the adaptations, such as for the film Fearless, so users can go to the respective pages and read for themselves.
* The article was written in a story-like manner. I changed the tone and register to a more formal one.
Lonelydarksky (talk) 14:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit summary as of 19th March 2009 by [[User:Lonelydarksky|Lonelydarksky]] 

message: Again someone is changing what was becoming more historic to one which is more story like.
Huo Xin (talk) 17:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Again it is less historic and more story like 

message: Where is this man's physical profile? what was he's height and weight?--KSentry(talk) 05:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  No physical profile? 

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