Talk:Acid rock

message: Will someone explain the difference between Acid rock and Psychedelic rock?
:G'day, User:Iwakura42. I'd never heard the term psychedelic rock used formally to describe a genre before, but acid rock is both a subgenre of psychedelic music and its forefunner, as the article on psychedelic music already makes plain IMO. So the redirect I found here to acid (disambiguation) didn't IMO do the term any justice at all, although the redirect from psychedelic rock to psychedelic music is probably fair enough. 
:So you're right, it's confusing and inaccurate. You end up going in circles. That may be authentic in a sense considering the subject matter, but this sort of cyberpoetry is not what we seek to create as an encyclopedia! I'll fix it. Andrewa 21:30, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between Acid rock and Psychedelic rock 

message: This subject deserves a much better article. I'll try to improve it and expand as much as I can. Anyone with me? --~Magnolia Fen (talk) 20:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The so-called "acid rocks tracks" listed at the bottom of the article are not acid rock at all... (The Beatles? 13th Floor Elevators? clearly, it was written by a newbie). Just listen to actual acid rock bands (live shows of the Grateful Dead, Quicksilver Messenger Service an so on) before you start bashing, because you obviously have no idea what acid rock is. --~Magnolia Fen (talk) 07:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement. 

message: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ACID PUNK PAGE?  It was useful!  Now it redirects to this garbage!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.44.38.102 (talk) 00:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously, total vandalism that is. Even on the redirect page, the old content seems to be deleted from the history. *why do that?* 121.45.247.36 (talk) 07:42, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wheres the goddamn Acid punk 

message: Acid Rock isn't a real Genre, it's just a term that people would use for it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HerpyMcDerp (talk • contribs) 16:17, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be inclined to agree, but some reliable sources state that it is a sub-genre of psychedelic rock, and that is quite hard to argue against.--SabreBD (talk) 10:16, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

text: I came of awareness late in the game say 1969 and 1970 and my memory of it differs in someways and is the same in someways from the reliable sources of today.  Yes it was an adult coined catchall term and was a subgenre of psychedelic rock. While the "Trippy" elements were up front in most psychedelic rock the LOUD and "grating"  elements that drove parents crazy were upfront in Acid Rock songs while "druggy" stuff was more in the background. Hendrix and Joplin were the two defining figures of acid rock. Joplins "screaming" vocals style made her acid rock. Psychedelic but not acid Donovan too mellow, Strawberry Alarm Clock vocals a little to trippy a little too many keyboards. Steppenwolf definitely Acid rock, "Ride Captain Ride" (guitar solo), "Spirit in the Sky" and vaguely the first "Venus" (she screamed) was the watered down pop hooked up version of the acid rock (nobody would say "acid pop" or "psychedelic pop") that was acceptable for Top 40 AM radio. Remember in pre multitasking 1970 what was loud and grating in middle America is tame by today's standards. Edkollin (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Psychedelic Rock

message: I haven't read the book but it strikes me odd that Black Sabbath is supposedly mentioned in it. The book was published in 1968 and Black Sabbath released their first single in 1970 (changed their name in 1969). So either Tom Wolfe had an epihany while enjoying some kool-aid, Black Sabbath figured a way to travel back in time or a different band with the same name was around while Wolfe wrote the book?!
:I think Sabbath turn up more in apocalyptic visions than LSD prompted ones. A classic case of list creep. I have restored an older version of the sentence. Thanks for pointing it out.--SabreBD (talk) 08:51, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Sabbath & The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test 

message: Almost every single time I read "psychedelic rock" in print, I see it followed by "also known as acid rock", or vice versa. Historically, it has certainly been used more as a synonym than it has been used to describe a substyle of psyche rock. And there is no need to write "harder, heavier, faster, stronger, intense, rawer, energetic..." over and over again. Look at the MOS for leads: 
This is a loosely defined style. You absolutely need to acknowledge this in the first sentence as concisely as possible, otherwise people (me included) are going to wonder what the hell "Good Vibrations" has to do with Black Sabbath. Furthermore, contradictions are presented by your edit
#If acid rock is loosely defined, and sources don't agree on whether it's a subgenre of psyche rock or rock in general, then it would be disingenuous to definitively state "...is a form of psychedelic rock" (WP:BALASPS) (WP:CHERRYPICKING).
#If acid rock is a synonym for psychedelic rock, it can't also be a subgenre of psychedelic rock. It's either all psyche rock or some psyche rock. It can't be both.
The only way you can consolidate this is by deriving the lowest common denominator between acid rock and psychedelic rock, which is that they're both rock music.
--Ilovetopaint (talk) 20:43, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Addendum: if there's a source that says something like "acid rock derived from psychedelic  music", I don't believe it would be inappropriate to include it in the infobox.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 00:43, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Form of psychedelic rock" 

message: (Continued from above)
:Of course everybody everywhere was influenced by Pepper. No question about that. But in the context of "American acid rock groups", Peppers effect had more to do with culture and ideology than music - Nagelberg (not Browne) is specific on "recording studio techniques". That's a contribution better credited to Revolver and Pet Sounds, not Pepper.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 19:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Ilovetopaint on this.  By the time Sgt. Pepper was released, psychedelic had been going on for quite a while and acid rock was already underway.  Albums such as Revolver and Pet Sounds had far more to do in influencing what was happening musically speaking.  All of the recording techniques used on Pepper were already employed on Revolver.  Pepper was just a more elaborate form of what the Beatles and others had already been doing.  It was a great extravaganza and signified an incredible moment--it was a culmination of so much that had been building up, no doubt, but it was not as influential, musically, as certain things that preceded it.  It was more of a summative than formative event in that regard. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:38, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Just passing through, yet isn't "A Day in the Life" the acid rock statement on "Pepper"? As such, the music would be of interest to keyboard players in the acid rock genre, and to the musical concepts, such as "the longest recorded note", perhaps the most acid rock thing about the song. I agree with you, Garagepunk66, about the elaborate form of Pepper, as it's just not something the average musician can think about recreating, not having unlimited studio time and an arranger on hand to write things. Given that much acid rock is synonymous with guitar noise, extended all the way to bands like Sonic Youth, "A Day in the Life" does offer a keyboard player an "in" to the acid rock genre. And the Beatles are a band wherein their psychedelic rock is usually synonymous with acid rock. Morgan johndavid (talk) 06:56, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Sgt. Pepper''

message: Bands like Grateful Dead, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Country Joe & The Fish, Big Brother and The Holding Company, Jefferson Airplane and others never sounded like hard rock, heavy psych bands like Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly, Vanilla Fudge, Early Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Sir Lord Baltimore, Early Grand Funk Railroad, Josefus, Frijid Pink etc. Were distinct to San Francisco, Los Angeles, Texas and Boston that were softer. I Think that heavy psych needs to have other article. --189.216.112.3 (talk) 23:14, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't heavy psych basically "early heavy metal"? - so the "other" article would be the "early days" section of the heavy metal article.  Led Zeppelin was a heavy psych/acid rock band, "Dazed and Confused" one of the ultimate acid rock statements. It's also an early example of metal. The same can be said about "Happenings Ten Years Time Ago" and "Think About It" by the Yardbirds. And the same can be said of early Black Sabbath, such as "Black Sabbath" - they are all three things at once. Heavy psych rock = acid rock = early heavy metal, all the same thing basically -- so the psychedelic rock page should talk about acid rock and heavy metal, and visa versa. Morgan johndavid (talk) 06:42, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem is that this is the only article out there that even acknowledges "heavy psych" as a thing --Ilovetopaint (talk) 13:55, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences with heavy psych 

message: If interested, please offer support for a WikiProject focused on psychedelic music.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 01:50, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject proposal