Talk:Mathematics and God

message: This article is hurting for a NPOV 12.222.110.10 04:52, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: I don't exactly agree with the label "NPOV"; it could just be an article about mathematicians who claimed they could prove the existence of God (or gods).
On the other hand, if this article is simply about all of the mathematicians who voiced opinions on God (or gods), I question the purpose of this topic in the first place. Not only could (and should) the theological opinions of the mathematicians be kept on their own pages, but the argument can be made that the existence of such a specific page is not only superficial but encourages the creation of other such pages of "theological beliefs of celebrities"... Then we'd get topics like Serial Killers and God and Tom Cruise.
Also note that I continuously follow the term 'God' by paranthetically including 'gods.' I'm sure there were a couple of pagan mathematicians who said something about their own deities, and therefore, if there actually was as valid reason for an NPOV tag, it would be that.
If you find yourselves at a loss to collect quotes/opinions on the lack of proof/existence of God from mathematicians, check out this site and search for various mathematicians (e.g. Einstein.)
--24.126.30.46 07:20, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove NPOV? Remove Topic? Change Title? 

message: The article reads more like Mathematicians and God. Also, it currently lacks NPOV. -- Sundar 10:28, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)
:I concur; though I'd also like to make it allow for the theological opinions of pagans. --24.126.30.46 07:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathematics or Mathematicians? 

message: Added NPOV template. Four people now have mentioned the POV of this article.--metta, The Sunborn 06:17, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with the POV tag... "mathematics indicates that God exists, as proven by the famous mathmaticians below" is POV. This article is mainly a collection of religious quotes by mathmaticians. How would the supposed POV be balanced out... a collection of quotes from mathmaticians discussing the absence of God? Feco 21:35, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ...exactly, if you have one side saying that god exists then you must have the other side's view. Plus the quotes mostly have to go. Wikiquote is the repository of quotes, verified and unferified. An article should have no more than two quotes in it.--metta, The Sunborn 03:04, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: This article has been kept following this VFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:01, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  VFD debate link 

message: The only quote relating to mathematics and God in this section would possibly be Bertrand Russell, since it speaks of probabilities.  But the others are irrelevant, unless I'm mistaken.  Can someone clarify this for me?  I'm not sure why the other quotes are there.  Thanks.  --FranksValli 09:23, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  God as human invention section 

message: I'm not sure why this article is up for deletion, it just needs to be rewritten. I think the topic is valid, it's just not a proper encyclopedia article yet. Deleting it would be a waste. I'm going to remove the deletion tag unless someone explains why it should be deleted. --Calibas 18:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Calibas, the article's possible deletion is being discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mathematics and God (2nd nomination). You are welcome to join the discussion there. According to deletion policy (see WP:DELETE), this tag should remain on the article until the deletion discussion is finished, so please don't remove it. Thanks, Paul August ☎ 18:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion 

message: It seems to me that in the 2nd AfD, the informed editors mostly wished to get rid of this article, while "random keep voters" mistakenly thought that it is about Einstein, Dawkins and science vs. religion. This gives me an idea: Let us make it redirect to Relationship between religion and science. What do you think about it?--Ioannes Pragensis 21:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, I'm not sure that's the best idea.  I think deletion review might be doable.  --C S (Talk) 19:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think a Mathematics and religion article would have some merit. If you really want to get rid of this page just create it and suggest a merge. Otherwise I'm suggesting that we move the lists of quotes to the talk page and turn this article into a stub. --Calibas 03:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I stubbified it. No need to keep the quotes here, they are in the history of the page. I propose to merge it to the article Existence of God, because all the rest after deletion of the quotes belongs here.--Ioannes Pragensis 19:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What next?