Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/St Paul's tram stop (2nd nomination)

message: Discussion from the Supertram talk page
:The Sheffield Project had talked about the Sheffield Supertram articles and we had concluded that there was little interest in creating articles for tram stops as they are featureless platforms. To get rid of red links it would be far more advantageous to link stop places to places rather than tram stop article. what's a tram stop article to have? two platforms, shelter, a tram stops there every 10 minutes. The is little individualism to a tram stop that only a station can possess and relegates tram stops to a place in a table rather than an individual existence. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a stop could talk about frequecy of services, distance from main stops, distance from local landmarks and then link to other features of the area.  eg Hillsborough.  L.J.Skinnersomething to say? 11:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, the template you've created is a duplicate and already exists for tram systems in general. It is rather useless as it only features the preceding stops and in the case of stations offers no overview of where the article lies. See my coments above, the question's already been asked. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The template is the one in existence - I was showing i as an example to illustrate my plan for the convention of following/preceeding stop.  L.J.Skinnersomething to say? 11:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Captain Scarlet here. Most of the tram stops are little more than bus stops with a raised platform. Much of the information that could be put in articles on the stops could easily be included in an expanded table within the main supertram article.  —JeremyA 14:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do honestly think it's worth doing, and I would be willing to do it!  Nottingham_Express_Transit have a page for each stop, and they are literally just stubs, but I think I could expand ours to show what amenities are local to each stop (please see my example of the Hillsborough stub).  This would create a great link between all the areas of the city, the Sheffield sub-pages, the districts of Sheffield template and woul improve user's navigation around the city's articles.  Please see my initial post, and I'm sure you'll agree, we currently have a real bloody mess! L.J.Skinnersomething to say? 14:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What you wish to feature in these articles goes against Wikipédia conventions and rules. 1/ Wikipedia is not an indescriminate colection of information and 2/ Wikipedia is not a directory. What the Sheffield Project concluded in this matter was that creating such a vast collection of articles would be both pointless and contradict Wikipedia rules. An article should not be initiated if it is to remain a stub. Something worth writing about will be written about, what doesn't, such as a vast number of identical tram stops should be contained on Sheffield Supertram in the stops listing/network. Featuring local amenities would mean breaking the Wikipedia is not a tourist guide rule. I commend you keeness but it is not that that I refute. Including each and every tram stop article in each and every place article of Sheffield also contradicts rules and transforms this encyclopedia into a travel guide, if this is your field of interest, Wikitravel should be where your information should be included, not Wikipedia. I'm afraid if such information would be featured, it would have to be edited out as any other content that contradicts established rules. Lists are accepted, although frowned upon, directories are not. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 16:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, fair enough - I take you point.  Would it be reasonable though for every area with a nearby tram stop (eg Meadowhall, Hillsborough Park, Sheffield_Midland_station etc) to have the tram template at the bottom?  As we currently have on Fitzalan Square?  L.J.Skinnersomething to say? 23:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No it would not, for the reasons stated above. If Supertram has an influence, a history influencing the place, then yes. Placing the next/previous stop template on area articles would be the same as doing it in individual tram stop articles: wikipedia is not a timetable. Creating a substanceless ressource of tram stops and interchanges goes againstthe rules stated above. What Wikipedia is about is what is mostlèy already present in the Sheffrield Supertram article; dates, fact, data, properties; wether a tram stops there or not is of travel guide relevance. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 00:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)