Talk:USA Baseball

message: hey i'm gald someone figure out where to put team usa information, i had set up a roster if anyone wants to use it for anything Team USA. should the roster on this page be seperated by postion ? Jackalsclaw 19:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Roster

message: For virtually any non-American, the fact that a sport has two governing bodies (one for the big teams, one for everyone else) seems bizarre. In England, for example, the national game is basically run by the The Football Association, although the FA Premier League (perhaps the closest equivalent to MLB) has a degree of commercial independence. This article really needs to explain how the split in administration actually works, who runs what, who represents who internationally (my impression is that USA Baseball sits on the International Baseball Federation but only represents amateur baseball, and there is no international representation for professional baseball - is this true?). What about minor league baseball? Who runs that, and what does USA Baseball have to do with it? And how did this split occur? (I'm assuming there actually was a split...in England, there was a recognisable split in "soccer" when the top teams broke away from the "establishment" in 1991, basically for financial reasons.) This article states that USA Baseball was only founded in 1978 - was amateur baseball not collectively organised before this point, or was USA Baseball a successor organisation? Why did people feel the need to create it if was new? If, under a previous incarnation, it predated the MLB, how did a separate MLB come about? Is there any reason why USA Baseball's work isn't handled by a branch of the MLB? These things are quite perplexing to someone not used to the way US sport works. I think the fact that they aren't covered detracts from the article significantly!TheGrappler 03:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: now that USA Baseball is involved with the WBC, it can no longer be accurately said that USA Baseball represents only amateur baseball.  USA Baseball has nothing to do with the minors other than the fact that it will from time to time recruit minor-league players for exhibition/olypmic games.  no one really "runs" minor league baseball...a more accurate term would be "minor leagues baseball" because the minors are essentially a collection of leagues at six discrete levels (AAA, AA, A, extended spring training, short-season A, and Rookie).  i'll try to conjure up an analogy to english football...imagine Arsenal signs a player to its youth team.  the gunners own the rights to him, no?  well, in american baseball it's the same thing except that there are six development teams and they all play in different leagues in different parts of the country. BTW there is no team relegation or promotion in any American professional sports league.  for your other questions try the history of baseball article.  i'm guessing there wasn't much of a demand for overseas exhibition games prior to 1978, and baseball wasn't an olympic sport, thus there was no need for an american baseball federation.  lastly, personally, as a sports-patriot and baseball fan, i wouldn't want MLB to be too involved with USA Baseball.  MLB is made up of greedy owners who have no interest in their investments playing in an international tournament.  it's not yet like soccer/football where every national federation agrees that winning the world cup is the highest goal.  i hope i helped. Streamless 16:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's helpful, thanks! My main point was that some of this historical background is actually relevant to this article, and perhaps ought to be incorporated? TheGrappler 23:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Relationship with MLB

message: State flags; too many. Argh! --Guinnog 15:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: It seems that this article about the organization is also including information about the teams formed by the organization.  I think the team specific info should be split out.  Other examples include USA Basketball and United States national men's basketball team; as well as USA Hockey and United States national men's hockey team. Neier 11:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with this; it is totally logical to do so.  Go for it!  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: I noticed that the teams associated with the players on this page and other WBC pages are inconsistent.  Some teams are current teams (i.e. Brian Schneider is listed as a Met) and other are 2006 teams (i.e. Dontrelle Willis a Marlin).  At the very least, there must be consistency.  But on top of that, I really think it should be the 2006 team.  It's a 2006 event, so we should recognize it as such.  On the 2004 World Series page, you wouldn't say "Doug Mientkiewicz of the New York Yankees caught the final ball to give the Red Sox the victoy."
Opinions?24.225.188.24 (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is a mess, as it is mainly about the 2006 WBC, and not the history of the United States national team, etc.  It would be nice if older information found its way into this article.  Not just back to the 1984 Olympics, but, previous international teams that played in the Intercontinental Cup (baseball).  Anyway, the roster list for a specific event, like the 2006 WBC, can be split to a new article, where all participating teams would be listed, and for each player the professional team at the time of the event is noted.  This is what's done in soccer, and other sports.  In this particular article, I don't see much use in keeping the 2006 rosters around, or in going into so much detail about the 2006 WBC; especially since there have been subsequent events where a US national team has participated.  Neier (talk) 00:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teams should be 2006 and consistent 

message: United States national baseball team is now a seperate article. This can contain the history of the team and such, i.e. World Baseball Classic, Continental Cup, Olympics, etc. This article should remain about the organisation, and not the team. --Borgardetalk 09:05, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page has been split 

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