Talk:Comparison of Islamic and Jewish dietary laws

message: The article says one stroke is needed for both Muslim and Jewish slaughterings. In fact, for shekhitah, if the shekhitah is accomplished with one stroke, the animal is treiffe as it is proof of Pressing - one of the five forbidden actions. In shekhitah the knife must be drawn back and forth across the throat without pausing until the majority of the food pipe and windpipe are cut through. Technically, if one has an enormously skilled shokhet, no artiery or veign is ever required to be cut in the throat. 88.154.158.42 21:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One stroke 

message: I understand Keeves' point about too much detail.  The trick here is, are we talking about theoretical kashrut vs. halal, or practical kashrut vs. halal?  ("More-strict keepers of kosher/halal will only eat at restaurants certified as such" -- that's practical.  "If an insane person performed ritual slaughter" - that's theoretical.)  Point in case: the bugs/grasshoppers issue.  I just don't want people reading this article and walking away thinking that most kosher-observant Jews eat grasshoppers!  (Nothing against the Yemenites, mind you...)  Does that make sense?  TLMD13 14:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Grasshoppers & Insects 

message: Are women allowed to slaughter animals, because in Ethiopia women cannot kill animals for food.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 01:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't comment about Halal, but as far as kosher shechita goes, there's no difference at all between a male and female slaughterer; it just happens to be (for whatever reason) that it's almost all men doing it today.  This is indicated in the article.  TLMD13 15:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Same for Halal. Both males and females can do slaughter. Isoman00 (talk) 19:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Need to mention women allowed to do slaughter

message: Yes, kosher fish must have "scales", but how are "scales" defined?  Classical Jewish sources say the fish must have, as an adult, scales that can easily be scraped off with a blade.  By the time a swordfish, reaches maturity, its scales have sunk into its skin and aren't easily removed.  Consequently, swordfish (at any stage of development) is not kosher.  What about halal? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TLMD13 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article reads: "Kashrut prohibits mixing meat and dairy, which may not be consumed or prepared together. Dhabiĥa halal has no such rules."Starwarp2k2 22:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fish/scales

message: I'm surprised nothing in this article mentions the need to separate milk/meat in kosher dietary laws--it's pretty significant and I don't understand why it's ommitted--am I missing something here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.180.21.85 (talk) 20:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article reads: "Kashrut prohibits mixing meat and dairy, which may not be consumed or prepared together. Dhabiĥa halal has no such rules."Starwarp2k2 22:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How  about milk/meat?=

message: Hi. Very educational article. But I'm wondering, how much of this is based on secondary sources that do the comparative work? I'm concerned that this looks like a fine piece of original research. HG | Talk 16:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question, HG.  But how about a page such as, say, Comparison of operating systems?  Did they need a secondary source to do the comparisons, or do they go do the research on each operating system, and then argue that the comparison itself is not "original research" per se?  I'd think if most "comparison" pages are okay, this one should be too; no?  TLMD13 16:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel uneasy about all the comparison pages. It's so easy to introduce bias in the method of comparison. That's why I'd rather see the material on this page integrated into the general article on Ritual slaughter.Itsmejudith 18:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Narrowing the scope of the comparison to just ritual slaughter would probably be good. Too much of kashrut like orla, issur to heter, chodosh and shmetta has no similarity to halal. Also the page has
They share a common root: a code of laws found in Leviticus and recapitulated in the Quran
Not all kashrut laws are found in Leviticus. The rule against Jews eating the sciatic nerve is in Genesis, see http://www.torah.org/learning/halacha-overview/chapter28.html. Further, kashrut is also rooted in the oral talmud. I have not clue how any of this might relate to what is in the Quran, so I do not feel qualified to edit the section. 99.233.17.146 (talk) 07:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparative literature 

message: The article states the camel is halal but not kosher, implying that it has cloven hooves but does not chews cud. However, Leviticus 11 states eating camel is forbidden because "the camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof". What gives? Ratfox (talk) 15:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camel 

message: Imagine I had a restaurant that served meat. Would it (theoretically) be possible for my restaurant to be both kosher as well as halal?--Soylentyellow (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you thinking of starting a business?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.75.26 (talk) 01:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

text: From what I've read about Kosher and I'm a muslim, most of Kosher food is Halal but the same doesn't apply vice versa. Isoman00 (talk) 19:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it possible to make food that is both kosher and halal?

message: I think throughout the article the term that should be used is Halal. Dabiha Halal only applies for slaughtered animals. I will correct the article now and if anyone has any objections i'm open for discussion Isoman00 (talk) 19:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dabiha Halal and Halal 

message: I propose to move this to Comparison of Islamic and Jewish dietary laws.Bless sins (talk) 15:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: Hi all, it was me who made the most recent edits to the article, I just forgot to log in. I felt a lot of the comparison sections were badly worded and a bit messy/confusing t read, so I just reworded them a bit to make easier reading. I haven't deleted or altered any information, sourced or otherwise, I simply reworded some sentences. Cheers. SaSH (talk) 21:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repetition and Unclarity 

message: I am quite surprised there is no mention of not mixing Dairy and Meat products under Islamic law anywhere here or in the Halal article. I have always been taught not to eat meat and milk product at the same by my Muslim grandfather, and wait at least two hours between eating the two, and told off when I broke that. I am no expert in Islamic law, but I am guessing that must have bearing in Islam as my grandfather was quite observant and that was what I was always taught. I am not quite sure what Islamic school he followed, but he was Sunni. I just thought this might be the perfect article for this request for more information on this. Thanks all. SaSH (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam and Mixing Meat and Dairy Products 

message: "For most Muslim sects, Halal is subset of Kosher; accordingly, Muslims can generally eat Kosher food, but Jews cannot eat all Halal food."
Surely if Halal is a subset of Kosher then all Halal is Kosher but not all Kosher is Halal - this would suggest that Jews can eat Halal (safe in the knowledge that it is Kosher) but Muslims cannot eat Kosher (because not all Kosher is Halal). Should it just state that Kosher is a subset of Halal?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.125.98.58 (talk) 17:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Subset" 

message: The article in the  Differences section that Halal-slaughtered meat has no restrictions on the parts permitted to be eaten. It goes on to say that the exception blood, bones, fat not attached to meat, and wounded parts. The Ayat are very clear in stating that the forbidden parts of a live slaughtered animal are the flesh of swine, and blood (of any animal). There's no mention of fat or wounded parts.
Here are some Ayat that deal with the forbidden meat: Al-Baqarah 2:173, Al-Mā'idah 5:3, Al-'An`ām 6:145, An-Naĥl 16:115
. They all say the only forbidden (they literally say either "prohibited" or "only forbidden") parts are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah.
I also have never read a part of Sunnah that states fat, bones or wounded parts are forbidden (I'm a Muslim, but not a scholar). Cooking fat, and/or using bone to make a broth was a common meal during the early days of Islam and later (and still is in parts of the Arab world, but I don't have a reference, it's observational and cultural knowledge) as meat wasn't as readily available as today and was an expensive item considered to be the foodstuff of the rich.
The article should be either cited with a credible source, or the part about fat, bone and wounded parts be removed. --Abderrahman (talk) 16:22, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organs or parts eaten from Halal-slaughtered 

message: Would like to add some verses from the Quran that encourages Muslims to eat the food of the Jews and Christians. The verse 5:5 "This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them... " Anyone has idea? Alexis Ivanov (talk) 09:56, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article missing valuable Quranic verses 

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message: The article states
 "It is estimated that 70 percent of the food ingredients produced and 40–50 percent of foods sold in the United States are kosher."
But doesn't this number include products such as apples, tomatoes and other staples that would naturally be kosher unless they've explicitly been tampered with? I think it sounds misleading. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 11:01, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Kosher percentage number