Talk:Georgia O'Keeffe

message: To see the status of all the discussion about the article improvement through July 13, 2023 on this page, see #Article improvement progress.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

message: :::::::@CaroleHenson I definitely like the idea of thematizing the work overall (per my sentiment on skyscrapers) and I wonder if we could include each subject matter you mentioned as a separate subsection? Maybe even remove the section Career altogether and just go by geographical locations with relevant subsections for themes?
:::::::Abstractions could be placed under Early work, placing emphasis on the work mailed to Stieglitz in 1916 and subsequent interest in the city, and Skyscrapers and Flowers  under New York. While she began the flowers during the 1920s, they obviously became her landmark iconography throughout the career and it might make for a good and logical transition from NY to NM. Then we could move to Animal skulls and Landscape  imagery featured prominently in her late 1930s paintings and Portraits of the 1940s. Later 1960s abstractions could be discussed under Late work. Something like this:
:::::::* Early life and education
:::::::** Abstractions
:::::::* New York
:::::::** Skyscrapers
:::::::** Flowers
:::::::* New Mexico
:::::::** Animal skulls
:::::::** Landscape
:::::::** Portraits
:::::::** Late career
:::::::If we'd like to keep some date ranges, we can be more generous, for example: New York (1916—1930s); New Mexico (1930s—1984).
:::::::I realize this isn't perfect, of course, but finding a workable chronological/iconographic framework is quite challenging for O'Keeffe, as we all know. Let me know what you think and whether you feel comfortable with such structure? I'd like to make sure I am not imposing too much, as my only goal is to just get the ball rolling on improving the article. :-) Ppt91talk 15:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I really like that format! I think it would be nice to have a small groupings of works under each section.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

text: I added some captions, but it would be good to have fuller captions (e.g., year, musuem).–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also, if you are going to use mixed portrait and landscape images, the heights and widths should be equal; and the "perrow" parameter should be deleted.  It's unnecessary here (since there are only four images), and an undesirable limitation for wide browser windows.  See also Help:Gallery tag#Usage notes for a further minor note. —DocWatson42 (talk) 02:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Do you have a suggestion for a good way to present the images (multiple image template, image frame, other methods?)–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have used the image map a couple of time and find that a fun way to manage portrait and landscape images. See Ukiyo-e, the first group of images.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 4 - Career subsections by themes

message: Hi team! I realize the previous thread has now grown to 56 comments (a testament to our commitment!), so I thought a summary of progress could be useful.
This is what I have so far and we can use this as a separate post just for tracking. Feel free to add to the list if I am forgetting anything and mark as  for items that we have already completed. The next step of dividing up the sections will likely take us a while due to the amount of work involved, but the article already looks and reads much better, so I think we should be proud of the work accomplished over such a short period of time. :)
 p.s. any new editors who come across these threads and are interested in joining the effort should feel free to do so at any point
Ppt91talk 15:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Really great idea, ! A couple of things, and I'm not sure where you are intending that they go, 1) here and below or 2) under the Completed / To do sections. Maybe don't update the lists until it's completed or added: 
–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Added "to do" items from #To do list items to add? based upon discussions in the above sections.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:13, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article improvement progress 

message: Do we want to create a List of works by Georgia O'Keeffe - OrangeSky6791 might have access to a list, otherwise MOMA installation pages, SIRIS.
:I updated the Georgia O'Keeffe#External links, grouping works and adding SIRUS information by type of work (painting, sculpture, etc.) MOMA already had a link, and I added a link to the 2023 installation,
:Perhaps these additions to External links are good enough.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:10, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: List of works?

message: Have I missed anything?–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In terms of organization, I think it would be helpful to have sections for the to do items, that can be referred to like this #The Checkered Dress in the to do checklist. That way, there will be targeted discussion - that are not toooo long - and easier to follow-up. Does that work?–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I started that by creating #Finalize image groupings and format and #Accuracy.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Crossed out the items moved to the #Article improvement progress section.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am moving ahead with subsections re: items on the "to do" list under #Article improvement progress. Is that okay with everyone to have separate subsections for to do items?–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @CaroleHenson Thanks for all the updates. Just getting back to these now, as I was away for most of the day yesterday. I'm happy to take New York section for now and start working on it soon. I'll add my name to to-do for that section! Ppt91talk 16:21, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:33, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization?

message: , I hear your concern about reliance on Biography.com - particularly for a GA review from here where you say 
I posted it here so that we don't lose track of it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography source 

message: Background:
*  - Orangesky6791 27 June 2023
*  - Ppt91 3 Jul 2023
*  Ppt91 4 July 2023
Discussion:
* , I took a look at the first paragraph in the intro section, looks good!––CaroleHenson (talk) 19:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro section 

message: There is some duplicate personal life info that is outside the "Personal life" section that I will remove or summarize. I have gone back-and-forth about doing this, and settled on best to remove redundant info. Please feel free to edit or revert my edits if you disagree.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:55, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I completed the edits here. There still is some info about her houses, etc. that could be moved to the Personal life section, but it set the context for her work, so for now, I didn't make all the changes that could be made.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved more to Personal life, the sum of which is here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:12, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicated personal life info  

message: * Updated Patricia Marroquin Norby article. There's an article here with her critiques of O'Keeffe's art, but it's in an interview format, which to me doesn't seem to have editorial input. Is anyone else hesitant to use interview format?–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:24, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: * Okay, thanks, , makes sense.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:54, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: * No, . I just mean that when you read her article, her background is really impressive. I am going to start adding content to the Georgia O'Keeffe article shortly.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:54, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

text: *:OK, I'll hold off until I see what you come up with and also have a chance to do more reading. Profgjay (talk) 22:05, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: * I have started a work/draft document at Talk:Georgia O'Keeffe/Norby on O'Keeffe for the draft and a section for discussion. Please feel free to add content, sources, etc. as you'd like.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:21, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Updates

message: ,
As an FYI, the work we did on the Georgia O'Keeffe #Article improvement progress was mentioned in the news Artists join volunteers, change how women represented in Wikipedia. It's good to get the press. It's also good to think about how I represent women since so many of my work is new articles for women - or expanding and cleaning up articles about women.
I received the link to this within the past week or two: Primer for creating women's biographies that is pretty good. 
Advice, tips, and thoughts are appreciated.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks @CaroleHenson - How cool is that! Here's an updated link to the article:  for some reason the one above didn't work for me. You all did the heavy lifting on the article revision, here's to a great collaboration! Netherzone (talk) 23:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, . Your input was very helpful, too.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article improvement 

message: I have started a draft here Talk:Georgia O'Keeffe/Norby on O'Keeffe about Norby's perception of O'Keeffe's work. Feel free to add to the Draft or add items in the Discuss section.
I am starting to wonder if this could be a separate article with a small section in the Georgia O'Keeffe article. We'd likely need to get other opinions. We can see how this draft goes and then take it from there.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: At this point I think the draft you've done could sensibly go into the "Art Criticism and Scholarship" section under "Reception." The addition could be conceived or justified as covering the contemporary reception of O'Keeffe's work by Native scholars/Indigenous critics. Norby is not the only one, so there may be other citations or quotations to be added here. I'm doing more research. Norby's critique was developed during her writing of her dissertation, which is scheduled to appear as a book. That book could provide more material. But I think what you've done for now is a good start. I may try a sentence or two addition for context. Profgjay (talk) 15:10, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good! I replied to your comment at Talk:Georgia O'Keeffe/Norby on O'Keeffe#Discuss.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norby on O'Keeffe 

message: it seems odd that she is not mentioned on the Georgia O'Keefe page, as she was responsible the restoration of the house and garden at Abiquiu (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Chabot).As it stands the page seems to further the myth that O'Keefe herself did it. It would be worth including in the references the book Maria Chabot-- Georgia O'Keefe: Correspondence, 1941-49 [2003] by Ann Paden and Barbara Buhler Lynes, and perhaps the novel Someone Always Nearby [2023] by Susan Wittig Albert which is based on the correspondence. I'm in owe of all the fine consideration people in this Talk are giving improvements to the O'Keefe page. I have no experience making edits, and wouldn't want to mess up your fine work. I'm just suggesting an addition. Thanks BWG1 (talk) 18:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If this hasn’t already been fixed, I could try to help. Viriditas (talk) 17:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maria Chabot 

message: :
The story behind this is fascinating, and I realize that space is limited in terms of focus, but a touch more needs to be said on this point; she did not paint the pineapple in situ for various reasons, primarily because the company was racist and sexist, and refused to allow her, as a woman, to mingle with the workers, to paint the pineapple growing in the fields, or to reside and live among the workers as she originally requested.  At the time, women, particularly white women were not allowed to even entertain the idea, and O'Keeffe unintentionally caused a minor scandal when she made this request.  Due to the rejection of her wishes, and the failure of the company to provide an adequate plant or cutting, she delayed the commission and put it on the back-burner, and for good reason.  For people who don't know the history, there's a lot behind this story, as the sugar companies were responsible for taking over the Hawaiian Kingdom, overthrowing the monarchy, and installing Sanford B. Dole as president, and later governor.  It was his cousin, James Dole, who would later establish the Hawaiian Pineapple Company. Viriditas (talk) 08:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a new article on this subject in my draft space. I probably won't move it to mainspace for a few weeks because it needs work, but we will see how it goes. Viriditas (talk) 00:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painting the pineapple