Talk:Derek Laud

message: What's up with the font sizes, weight and colour? 109.149.209.212 (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Font problem

message: What is the justification for having articles devoted to Big Brother competitors? There are literary giants with less coverage on Wikipedia than this nonentity!
Why not? Wikipedia is not about taste... it's about information.  1000 years from now, people will want to see what was happing in popular culture right now.
Yeah... and they'll laugh at how we loved to see people thrown in a house and watched their every move... Deskana 21:03, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you know this? Soul Embrace 03:07, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because people already criticise other people for watching the program. I can just imagine the people of the future thinking that. I watch the program. I think it's pretty sad that I do, really. But I loved seeing Eugene sit there talking to Kinga about amateur radio (I found his talk quite interesting) and see her ask him if she could put make up on him. -- Deskana 06:33, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't find that funny (or sad) at all. I think that finding interest in people and what they say and what they do is a good thing.  The problem will come for future generations if they want more than an eviction such as an execution.  Perhaps, if they look back and see this dialogue, they might then stop laughing and think again. (... and I found Eugene entertaining too ;))Soul Embrace 18:32, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: A claim has been made that the police involved in the Derek Laud drunk-driving case in the USA have been investigated for racism. Can anyone cite sources for this claim?
:The story was in the USA news. There was orignaly a link on  the DS  site but the mssge board that it  was on was romoved when some people started posting untrue storys about derek  and sexual assault.
::This news about the police was removed, and then later put back on 1 April 2006. Is the investigation still ongoing? I have been unable to track down any info about this investigation. can anyone possibly supply the link referred to above, or any news of the outcome of the investigation?--luke 08:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim that police were racist 

message: You haven't replaced the information about Derek's homophobic attitude to gay adoption. Why was that. Please relace the information as you have not disputed the facts. luke 18:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Gay adoption

message: video is online until 24 Nov 2005
:removed source material -Willmcw 23:47, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: May I ask what the point of this is? Are you going to add a paragraph on his comments about Big Brother contestants? Or what? Unless these comments generated controversy, I don't see why they are noteworthy. -Willmcw 22:15, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The excerpts are put here as a matter of record, and I may comment further on some of them. In the meantime Derek made a serious accusation against Makosi, couched in the most vicious terms, which - as I suggested earlier - David Dimbleby showed to be probably untrue. luke 22:51, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The only purpose of this talk page is to discuss changes to this article. Since this source  material is not being used, and is available elsehwere, I'm removing it from this page. Please, let's stick to our task - writing an encyclopedia. Thanks, -Willmcw 23:47, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Maybe a paragraph on his political views would be appropriate. That could summarize pub closings, gay adoption, etc. -Willmcw 21:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC Question Time BBC1 17 Nov 2005 

message: Derek's attitude, combined with his limited general knowledge, led to him and Edwina only winning £500 for each of their charities. Edwina had made it clear from the start of the question period that she didn't know the answer, and was reliant on Derek. I think the information in its present form should be removed,	because the revised version conceals Derek's culpability for their joint failure.--luke 18:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That appears to be a conclusion that you are making personally. If some notable person has made that accusation then we can include it. However to draw our own conclusion would be inappropriate. Obviously he missed the question because he didn't know the answer and thought he did. Isn't that the way people usually lose quiz shows? -Willmcw 22:22, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget there were two lifelines remaining. You removed the unofficial tag from the main article. I will put up an official disputed tag if we are unable to agree, and then others can judge --luke 00:55, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

text: We seem to agree that the mistake was Derek's, in that he didn't know the answer and thought he did know. The question then arises whether DL should be held to account for his mistake. I think he should be held to blame because he is too often wrong on these matters, and should have realised his limitations and taken advantage of the lifelines he had available. Since it wasn't even his money, he should have been even more cautious. Do you have a view?--luke 04:56, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Who Wants to be a Millionaire?'' 

message: Should this be re-instated? Only one Wikipedian has disputed the secret tape's authenticity.--luke 18:30, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the discussion of the tape. What are our sources for it? -Willmcw 22:24, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's discussed in detail under the section headed I am Justfed removig the untruths and half truths as the are liblas --luke 00:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fox hunting anecdote 

message: Should we amend/rename the 'parliamentary candidacy' section, because the Evening Standard reported that his nominators withdrew their support and DL failed to turn up for  a photo shoot. I don't think there's evidence that his candidacy was confirmed. It seems the drunk driving conviction intervened. Should we leave in that there have been claims of racism against the police officers involved?--luke 18:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Parliamentary candidacy' 

message: There has been a long-running exhaustive dicussion on several issues on this article, as can been seen from the history, and on this discussion page.  The article carried an unofficial disputed tag for a while to indicate this. If any issues - either on this discussion page or the main article - are still disputed, we need to know precisely about the matters in dispute - so that they can hopefully be resolved in good faith. If the article is later reverted or 'vandalised' I will put up an official disputed tag--luke 18:26, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose to include the now undisputed information that was previously deleted. Any comments please?--luke 17:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed issues 

message: Derek Laud (born August 9, 1964) is a British political lobbyist and former Conservative parliamentary candidate, who achieved celebrity status during his run as a contestant in the sixth (2005) series of the UK Big Brother TV series.
Contents
* 1 Early career
* 2 Parliamentary candidature
* 3 Anecdote
* 4 Big Brother contestant
* 5 More recent events
* 6 Circle of friends
Early career
Laud became a researcher working for Conservative Members of Parliament in the mid-1980s. He fought a seat in Wandsworth council's Graveney ward in May 1986, and won 937 votes, not quite enough to secure a seat. He gained notice as the only black member of the Monday Club, which supported repatriation of immigrants and the apartheid regime in South Africa.
During his career, Laud has written speeches for several well-known Conservatives including Margaret Thatcher, Michael Heseltine and Alan Clark. He is mentioned in John Major's autobiography. Moving on from Westminster, he was employed in the City of London in equity finance. He established a lobbying company Ludgate Laud in the early 1990s. As a parliamentary lobbyist Derek Laud was mentioned in the Commons by Labour MP Martin Linton in his maiden parliamentary speech.
Parliamentary candidature
For the 1997 General Election, Laud was selected as Conservative candidate for the seat of Tottenham, but stepped down shortly before the election citing "business reasons". There was press speculation that this referred to Laud's drink-driving conviction in the US.
Anecdote
Derek Laud had long been an enthusiastic fox hunter and in 1999 he became the first black Master of Foxhounds for the New Forest Hunt. His hunting activity was the subject of an anecdote told by Aldershot MP Gerald Howarth in March 2005. Describing Laud as "as black as the ace of spades", Howarth said that hunt saboteurs had challenged Laud claiming that 100 years ago, the ancestors of the other huntsman would have been hunting him, and Laud had responded by saying "100 years ago my ancestors would have been eating you." 
Big Brother contestant
At the end of one of the Big Brother tasks, Laud remarked, "I've been working like a black." He caused some controversy when, in the diary room during nominations, he remarked (perhaps half-joking, being black himself) of fellow housemate Science: 'In Science I have found the first black person who makes me want to become a member of the BNP.' In fact a glance at the BB6 nominations table shows that Science was the first black housemate who Derek nominated, and that his nomination wasn't until week 8. On one occasion later - when the housemates were seated around a table playing the part of WW2 spies - Derek asked Craig for a chocolate. Makosi offered to pass a chocolate over to him, and then Derek told Makosi to keep her "filthy black hands" off. He likened himself to an "African dictator" when he told Roberto "You’re sensitive. You brood too much. I could have someone executed in the morning and go out for a three  course meal that night."
At various times during his stay in the Big Brother house Derek composed poems relating to his experience, and recited some of them to his fellow housemates and to Big Brother in the Diary room. He also sometimes made use of his knowledge of Shakespeare's plays.
Many quips, in the Big Brother House and otherwise, were made about Derek Laud's potential as a candidate for the Conservative Party leadership. There appears to be a call from some Conservatives for his selection as a candidate once more at the next election.
On at least two occasions during his time in the Big Brother house Derek, as a gay man,  expressed very strong opposition to gay parenting and adoption, giving different reasons each time. For example he argued that the children of same-sex parents would be bullied at school, despite being told by Makosi that he was pandering to homophobia.
26-year-old model and Business Studies graduate Orlaith McAllister, another housemate, walked out of the series citing Laud's bullying behaviour as a contributory factor. Laud was the tenth person to be evicted from the Big Brother House after losing in a head-to-head with Eugene Sully, a housemate with whom he had become quite close and who Derek incorrectly predicted would be the winner of the show. Laud received 58% of the eviction vote.
During his eviction interview with Davina McCall, he told of his plans to publish a collection of children's stories which he had been writing before entering the Big Brother house.
More recent events
Derek partnered Edwina Currie on a charity edition of Who wants to be a millionaire? on 17th September 2005 when they won £1000 between their chosen charities. Derek was responsible for their wrong answer in Q7
During the Conservative Party conference in October 2005, Derek Laud endorsed David Cameron to be the next leader of the party, saying "Good looks are very important and David Cameron is very attractive."
Derek's political views, which some characterise as populist right-wing, tend to polarize people for or against him. On Question Time BBC1 TV (17 Nov 2005) Laud said, speaking in favour of longer pub opening hours: 'I think as adults - and responsible adults at that - we should be able to determine that (when to drink) for ourselves. ... I think that essentially what we've got to be doing here is to encourage people to take responsibilities for themselves and get the state out of our private lives.' About education in Britain he said: '44,000 people this year at 16 years old left school without a single GCSE - that is a national disaster. So where is Blair's radicalism? He will fall short of his place in history if he doesn't live up to the radicalism of Asquith in 1908 and Clement Atlee in 1945 and Thatcher in 1979 if he doesn't get this right. He has to take on these people who've got this taboo about the private sector having any part in education, and i deplore it.'
Circle of friends
During his time in the Big Brother house Laud formed friendships with fellow Big Brother  housemates Lesley, Roberto, Kemal, Eugene and Kinga. He was visibly moved seeing Kemal's parents offering their support to their son in a video message to the BB House, and Kemal was a guest at Laud's 41st birthday party after they were both evicted. Derek offered help to Lesley during her troubles following a falling out with her family in late 2005 
Derek has a wide circle of friends in the Conservative Party. In 2001 he provided an alibi for his friends Neil and Christine Hamilton when they were falsely accused by a member of the public, Nadine Milroy-Sloan, of sexual assault. (Ms Milroy-Sloan was sentenced to 3 years imprisonment.)
Laud is content to be referred to by his friends as "Golly", a fact he mentioned in the BB6 House. Derek is also a friend of the former Champion boxer Chris Eubank, who appeared on Celebrity Big Brother in 2001. According to regular contributors to the Big Brother TV shows, he is also a friend of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall but does not like to mention it.--luke 22:55, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text of 3rd draft revision (notes etc to be added)

message: This should be an interesting and important Wikipedia article, however there is a shortage of citation and references for the key sections of the text.
I note from the talk page, that there's been a debate over sources and information, but these haven't been added in to the main text.
As an aside, the talk page needs tidying up urgently. I'm not sure how and where all the colours have come from.
Jpmaytum (talk) 22:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for proper references 

message: I've removed reliably sourced information disputed by the subject in a twitter conversation. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 09:30, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted, the information removed is properly sourced and relevant, and Laud has described himself as a member of the Club in an article which he wrote for the Daily Mail. Rangoon11 (talk) 20:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Should add that Laud himself, of course, has a COI in terms of this article. If he has issues with the contents of this article then he is welcome to come to this page and discuss them, but he will need to provide reliable sources in the usual manner.Rangoon11 (talk) 20:43, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's our responsibility as editors to get the article right - see WP:BLP - whether the subject himself shows up on the talk page to discuss it or not. It is not the purpose of Wikipedia to force subjects to become editors. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:28, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  No but nor should we be taking instructions from the subject themself on what the article should or should not include. If they take issue with the contents then there are routes available for them, but properly sourced material should not be removed following comments made by the subject on Twitter. Rangoon11 (talk) 23:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Laud is now threatening me with legal action on twitter. I have strated a discussion at ANI.  Gareth E Kegg (talk) 08:48, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information disputed by subject 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: It is completely untrue he was a paid up member of the Monday Club. He wrote a paper for them, but was never a member. At that time he was involved with the No Turning Back Group of MPs, most of whom were members of the government. He was a consultant at SNI and Michael Colvin MP and Neil Hamailton MP were not retained by SNI whilst Laud was there. Nor did Laud make any suggestions whatssoever that either men should be retained by SNI. You wrongly atribute Laud as working for the 'Apartheid South Africa'. Laud was invloved in Financial Services Regulation at SNI at the time and was there as Head of the Financial Services Divison and had no day to day involvement with South African accounts.Clients of the firm then (due to his contacts, included, The securities and investments board, FIMBRA, LAUTRO and IMRO. Godfrey Jillings, then CEO of FIMBRA can varify these facts. 
Michael Colvin was in fact a Director of Ludgate Laud and that might be how this confusion has arisen. You also wrongly state that Laud is a lobbyist. Laud left the lobbying sector in 1997. Laud has been in Private Equity Finance and Private Banking since that time. One way of varifiying these facts might be to consult those (when living) that you write about.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hammell11 (talk • contribs) 13:08, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This being a biography of a living person, it is very important that the information presented in the article is correct. You bring up a number of concerns, which certainly should be addressed if they are valid, but please know that Wikipedia's policies of verifiability and no original research means that editors cannot simply consult other people on information, and instead sources must be reliable and published. — ChromeGames923 (talk · contribs) 01:35, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monday Club