Talk:Cheating in chess

message: ICC claims to be able to detect cheating, but it can certainly not detect a human master advising a lower-rated player. It can also not detect a computer program running on a different computer than the one that is online. It can't stop a player from referring to chess books during play. 
A player I faced recently on FICS who was doing very well against me despite being rated 400 points lower than I implied that he could set some software to "slow play" and thus give himself extra time. He was consistently winning on time against me. He told me I needed to check the "slow option". I didn't know there was a "slow option" and wouldn't set it if there was one.
Geneven (talk) 22:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheating is detected on these servers by comparing the moves made to computer analysis and if it's too similar too often, it's a cheater. Humans simply never play quite like a computer. Funny that the cheaters think they're just detecting applications running. Dancindazed (talk) 04:15, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Online Cheating

message: Unregistered user wants discussion before changes?  Ok.  Raise your hand if you think integrating wikilinks in the article text is better than having them standing alone at the end of paragraphs.  *raises*  Milto LOL pia 15:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *raises* Dionyseus 21:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Integrating wikilinks in text is definitely better. - Aagtbdfoua 00:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: # Per proposal. Oyp (talk) 11:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support 

message: #--Resource Based Economy (talk) 11:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  With a bit of luck, nobody will suspect a thing here. Oyp (talk) 17:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose 

message: The Oxford Companion to Chess, 1992, page 252, about Milan Matulović, "... he played in the Sousse Interzonal in which, after a little cheating (see j'adoube), he came ninth." Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 14:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the edit summary claim. What does Hooper and Whyld, page 252, say? Regards, SunCreator (talk) 15:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see you put it above. It's awkward wording. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 15:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Page 252 is quoted above.  Page 185 says: "... withdrew a losing move saying "Ich spreche j'doube" ; this ruse went unpunished ...".  It is not clear to me if he took his hand off the piece or not.  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 15:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I accept the Hooper and Whyld page 252 reference, as a source that touch move is cheating. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 15:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  H&W don't use the word "blatant", so how about restoring it in touch-move rule, except for that word?  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 16:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  That seems reasonable. I tracked down the diff, the very first edit on the article, back in 2005. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 16:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  A long time ago the article was J'Adoube - I moved it it was moved to touch move rule.  Anyhow, I have the Oxford Companion and I have ordered the Lombardy book to see exactly what it says.  It might be in Larry Evan's This Crazy World of Chess, but I can't find it.  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 16:18, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible reference 

message: Our new friend, , inserted a screen capture showing himself cheating on ICC against a GM. Not only that, after I reverted, he asked for it to be reinserted despite being blocked (again). I could go on about what I think of cheating on ICC, taking a screen capture of it and showing it off on WP, which is at the same time completely pointless and original "research", but I have doubts on my capability of doing so without resorting to unprintable vocabulary. Oyp (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The actions maybe a little misguided but the intent is fine. Are you claiming the image is original research? I don't think it's possible for an image to be original research. Perhaps you mean the caption with the image is original research? Cheating on ICC doesn't seem notable - it's not referenced in the article so currently I can't see a reason for having an image. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 14:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For something to be relevant in Wikipedia, it has to be cited in a quality source. Since this particular case of cheating was never reported in a quality source, citing it would be "original research". Other than that, cheating on the Internet — ICC or any other network — is certainly notable. The French language article cites this case, for example. Oyp (talk) 15:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  … and he is proud of it 

message: This tactic borders on the whimsical, but could be mentioned.
When it is not otherwise specified which player will be white in a single game or the first game of a match, the colors may be assigned randomly.  A coin toss would suffice, but a chess tradition has one player hide a white pawn in one fist and a black pawn in the other, and offer both hands to the opponent.  The opponent selects one hand or the other, and is assigned the color revealed. [Is this practice mentioned in any of the articles?]
If you get the choice and draw a black pawn, you are well advised to check your opponent's other hand.  You may find a black pawn there as well! (Chess equivalent of a two-headed coin.) WHPratt (talk) 14:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manipulating the Choice of Colors 

message: I am trying to track down a citation for the following claim:
"In the 2012 Virginia State Scholastic Chess Championships, a Class-A player was caught using an unauthorized chess program hidden in a case, disguised as a MonRoi device, during his 5th-round game on Board 1"
The citation we have just says "unauthorized software indicating an assessment of his position and analysis of possible variations". Do we have a source for the "hidden in a case, disguised as a MonRoi" claim?  If so, did he replace the electronics or did he manage to install a chess engine on a MonRoi? --Guy Macon (talk) 17:24, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If the person did install a chess engine on a Monroi, would be interesting at least (and keepable).  My feeling though, offhand, the person just used a regular smartphone and installed a skin to make it look like a Monroi. Mateinsixtynine (talk) 18:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As an engineer, I have to say that something seems strange here. Fitting a smartphone into a MonRoi case is not an easy thing to do. The screen will almost certainly be the wrong size, and programming it to look like a MonRoi screen while running a chess engine, while not impossible, requires a fair amount of skill.  Plus, of course, you are out $300 plus for the MonRoi and $100 plus for the smartphone. Then again, hacking a MonRoi's software is no small feat. I would expect something like this in a big-money tournament, not a scholastic. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

text: I think the case is relevant because of the [Citation Needed] use of a chess computer disguised as a MonRoi. On the other land, the list is getting a bit long.  I propose the following: Split it up into a section for each kind of cheating (computer in the bathroom, accomplice feeding moves over a radio, etc. and list the two best examples of each. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:32, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been thinking about this, and I have concluded that Mateinsixtynine was right all along and I was wrong. The IP who added this has failed to come forward with a reference backing up his "MonRoi" claim, and without that it is just a high school tournament with some sort of unspecified cheating.  I am removing it until someone comes up with citations. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:40, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If the situation about the MonRoi comes up in a reliable source, then I would have no problem adding it in.  I suspect though the person adding it was an actual witness.  The first on it came on Sunday, just after the tourney was over.  I removed that simply because it appeared as just a bad accusation.  Mateinsixtynine (talk) 21:55, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

text: There is a mailing list thread that seems to suggest the same thing.  The page on enotate seems to be a list of people who have purchased the program.  I'm willing to agree to add the allegations back to the article if there's more, especially if the information is on using a hacked version of enotate.  Something tells me he simply used enotate for the first round (drawn much lower rated player and TDs likely to be more suspicious), but when against a stronger player, simply used a chess engine.  Mateinsixtynine (talk) 17:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Yep, that's the one.  Since there's now an article on it, I added info about it in the artcle.  Mateinsixtynine (talk) 02:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chess computer disguised as a MonRoi? 

message: As far as I can see there is not enough evidence on the basis of the chessvibes article to accuse the players concerned of cheating. FIDE laws state that if an illegal move is discovered, the position is reset to how it was before the illegal move occurred; the touch move rule also applies in this situation. However, once the scoresheet has been signed the result stands. MaxBrowne (talk) 03:04, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. (Nothing in the source suggests the moves weren't honest mistakes. It happens. Cheating requires intent. An admission or ruling would be required before defaming text against individuals would be permissable in the article, like the editor so adamantly wanted to include.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 03:58, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:CIV and WP:DONTBITE still apply though, right? MaxBrowne (talk) 09:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A trick question!? (Take up on my Talk if you like. And Happy New Year.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  No trick. MaxBrowne (talk) 12:57, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Australian incidents 

message: I suggest breaking this section up, bullet pointing it, or cutting it back to include only the more prominent examples (e.g. Ivanov, Nigalidze, the French olympiad team). It's getting quite large and unwieldy, and we can be sure there will be more such incidents in the future. MaxBrowne (talk) 02:29, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheating with technology section 

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message: Link 54 is now behind a paywall, and cannot be read. Does it need removing or do these links remain? Robmonster (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It can stay.  See WP:SOURCELINKS and WP:PAYWALL. Quale (talk) 15:04, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: Can a person beat a program if the person has no time controls and can use other programs and can take back as many moves as they want? I came here hoping to find answer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.72.78.79 (talk) 06:55, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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message: So, this doesn't make any sense.  Is it saying a player can just copy his opponent's moves from a previous game?  Just copying a sequence of moves won't do you any good since the board position created from your opponent's moves would be vastly different.  If that isn't what it means, it needs to be reworded to actually make sense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.145.243.154 (talk) 08:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Simultaneous games section

message: Under the section 'Touch move rule' is the following example of a violation:
"Matulović played a losing move but then took it back after saying "J'adoube" ("I adjust"—which should be announced before adjusting pieces on their square)."
I'm wondering why the clarification that it should be announced before adjusting pieces, when the text already said he only adjusted after he announced? 2600:6C5A:657F:F417:7DA4:B8DE:5FB2:53DE (talk) 15:04, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Touch move rule clarification 

message: needs more section(s) on online chess and irwin  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.249.213 (talk) 22:10, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs expansion