Talk:Book of Documents

message: I ran across a quotation that is supposedly from the Shujing that read as so:
:"Of old in the beginning, there was the great chaos, without form and dark. The five elements [planets] had not begun to revolve, nor the sun and moon to shine. You, O Spiritual Sovereign, first divided the grosser parts from the purer. You made heaven. You made earth. You made man. All things with their reproducing power got their being".
:"Thou hast vouchsafed, O Di, to hear us for, Thou regardest us as a Father. I, Thy child, dull and unenlightened, am unable so show forth the dutiful feelings".
:"Thy sovereign goodness is infinite. As a potter, Thou hast made all living thing. Thy sovereign goodness is infinite. Great and small are sheltered [by Thee]. As engraven on the heart of Thy poor servant is the sense of Thy goodness, so that my feelings cannot be fully displayed. With great kindness Thou dost bear us, and not withstanding our shortcomings, dost grant us life and prosperity."
:Original source: Shu Ching, Book of History/Documents
This is not in Legges translation. Can anyone verify if this is authentic? 
:Thanks, mamgeorge 17:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to , This translation by Damascene is from a prayer in a book of Ming era. Matteo Ricci has arrived to china during the Ming era, so if this is indeed a translation of a chinese text, it might be a christian-influenced text. The duke (talk) 07:11, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Versions

message: Should the "classics" (yi jing, shu jing, shi jing, li ji) not all have a consistent title? At the moment we have: Shi Jing, Book of Rites, Book of History, and I Ching. That's two English, one pinyin, and one Wade-Giles. I don't understand the logic there. If no one objects, can we change them all to "Book of..."? I suppose I Ching is simple: Book of Changes, but what about Shi Jing? Book of Odes, Songs, Poems? I prefer Odes. Is someone able to do this? --TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 09:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In answer to your question, not necessarily. Review Wikipedia policy: for each article, we should go with the most common English-language. That means not using "Book of Changes"; it means not using "Yijing"; it means using "I Ching". If you feel English culture as a whole isn't consistent... well, it's not. As for Wiki policy, you can try to change it or move on to getting a job with Encyclopaedia Britannica, but I personally feel this is the best compromise available. — LlywelynII 09:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the titles of these articles be consistent? 

message: Two things:
* I don't think we should be citing an 11th century scholar (Su Shi) unless his views were particularly influential, in which we'd have modern scholarship about it to cite.
* Why is it important that the character 誥 appears on bronze vessels, when we have the same word being written with 告 on the oracle bones?  That seems more about paleography than text.
Kanguole 16:43, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  comments about ''gào'' chapters 

message: Ma Wenzeng of Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, on a paper presented here:
http://www.guoxue.com/?p=18687
Demonstrates how the Tsinghua bamboo slips, together with quotations from the classic of rites and Guo Yu, indicate that Confucius edited version of the book of documents is actually the old text, more than it indicates that the old text is a forgery.
This puts the forgery claim in doubt again.
The duke (talk) 10:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  In light of Tsinghua bamboo slips, Old text is not necessarily a forgery 

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