Talk:Māori language

message: I don't know enough about Wikipedia to be able to try and fix this myself, but surely the preview image for this page on other pages shouldn't be the Israeli flag. Considering the image doesn't appear in the article itself it is presumably vandalism, unfortunately I don't know enough about Wikipedia editing to be able to find and make the change myself. Weirdguyz (talk) 11:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It is indeed vandalism, it's been fixed and the preview will be fixed once the cache expires. Nardog (talk) 18:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Preview Image 

message: The page currently claims: "Only around 9,000 people speak only in Māori." The citation for this claim is Albury, Nathan John (2 April 2016). "An old problem with new directions: Māori language revitalisation and the policy ideas of youth". Current Issues in Language Planning. 17 (2): 161–178. 
I have just obtained the full text of this paper and read it thoroughly, and cannot find anything like this claim anywhere in the reference. Based on that I propose removing the entire sentence unless someone can provide a better source.  --131.203.73.86 (talk) 09:44, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The claim in question, "Only around 9,000 people speak only in Māori", is under the 'Geographic distribution' headline. Also under that headline, the article says "1.4 per cent of the total Māori population, spoke the Māori language only" citing the 2013 census. That seems about consistent with the first quote, but I can't find that fact in the census source either. E James Bowman (talk) 07:12, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Good to see sources being checked. IMO a surprisingly large percentage of sourced information on wikipedia is wrong because it is not backed by the source provided. The reason why that happens would make for an interesting open discussion at some future time and place. I have no objection to removing the sentence. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Just seen this section again. If the source does in fact back the claim then the sentence should of course not be removed. Not sure how I missed the user:E James Bowman post. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maori-only speakers 

message: Please explain, what the light blue and dark blue colors on this map mean?
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Thank you in advance
2A02:8084:983C:EA80:5DDB:6532:1D87:6E24 (talk) 22:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The map doesn't include any explanation.  created the map, but they seem mostly inactive, at least on the English Wikipedia. Compare the map to :File:TeReoMaori2013.png, created by  and appearing later in the article, which does have a legend, and both appear to be using the same data. The darker blue on Fobos92's map includes areas where less than 5% speak Māori, and the lighter blue presumably has an even smaller percentage. However, Fobos92's map is by territorial unit, but Vardion's map is by much smaller census area units, which makes a detailed comparison difficult. As both maps are now quite dated, it would be useful if someone could produce a more current version. The 2023 census data should be available in a couple of months, so we could wait until then. In the meantime, I suggest we remove Fobos92's version as being less useful than Vardion's.-Gadfium (talk) 22:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colors on the Maori language distribution map ?? 

message: Only foreigners and pākeha in New Zealand call it Māori. The language is called Te Reo Māori. The article should be renamed to “Te Reo Māori.” Also South Island Te Reo isn’t dead, there is still differences used that you learn about in like your first language class if it’s authentic. Ka pai otherwise. Reikosakura (talk) 01:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Common name is 'Māori Language' Te Reo Māori is common in NZ (not the entire world itself). Alexeyevitch(talk) 02:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  No one who is Māori calls the language “Māori”  

message: “These ways of hearing have given rise to place-name spellings which are incorrect in Māori, like Tolaga Bay. (Teraki in Māori).”
I don’t see how it’s incorrect to spell (in English) words the way they sound to English speakers. In a sense isn’t it more accurate to have an l and a g in “Tolaga” because in English orthography that’s closer to the true sound of the name Transient Being (talk) 07:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says "spellings which are incorrect in Māori," but you specifically said "in English." It does make more sense to give them an English spelling, and that is done often, which changes the spelling, so it would be incorrect in te reo, which is what the sentence means. ―Panamitsu (talk) 07:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: that makes sense, maybe would be better to say "english place-name spellings" then Transient Being (talk) 07:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the comments above. user:Transient Being, you have raised an important area of confusion about NZ place-names. There are numerous English language place-names that had their origin in a foreign language and New Zealand is full of them. As part of the assimilation process the spelling and sound of the foreign word is adapted to fit better with English. That adapted and assimilated English word is spelled and pronounced correctly in English. It is only spelled or pronounced incorrectly if the English speaker is using the original foreign word, which is rarely done. How many English speakers say 'Pa-ree' instead of Paris? The distinction in NZ has become totally mixed up, with people in general thinking that all place names originating in Maori should now be treated as Maori language words again and not the assimilated English words. That leads to changing the spelling and pronunciation of English words to comply with the Maori words. Anyway, this is a bit of a hobby-horse with me, so I am glad to see someone else has brought it up. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not sure this makes sense