Talk:The European Miracle

message: This is listed as a resource, I'm skeptical of its relevance.  I did a search for the Author and Title in my ebook, and couldn't find any references.  I'm skeptical of its relevancy, while I'm sure that Paul Farmer has an opinion on the issue, I'd like to know if he responds directly.  Otherwise, I'd recommend that we remove the reference.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.97.158 (talk) 22:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pathologies of Power?

message: I'm working on expanding, sourcing, and generally refurbishing this article. Progress is at User:Halidecyphon/The_European_miracle/ - Halidecyphon 13:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. - Halidecyphon 18:32, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early comments 

message: i added paul kennedy in the references.my english is not good enouf to tinker the article so pleas somebody add this up.in his book he says that the political fragmentation of europe lead in a arms race in the strogel to conquer eachother,but for geographical and climatical reasons(mountains,forests,islands..unique in the holle plannette) that was extrimly dificult(and so it didn't hapen)plus when some one had a littel to much of a power every body alsse coalited against him.neutrality wasn't an option aither since they new that when his nabor would have potentialy finished with the others he would turne up on you.so in a darwinian manner they slowly bild up technology for war but without ever be abel to have a decissive advantage(yes savage capitalism).so after centuries of war when they had the technology to go out of the continunt they did and ther technology had beacome so superior that nobody could resist.so no europeans aren't superior,in fact that mecanism is not making me any proud.so in conclusion geography and climate is to be blamed.--Ruber chiken 13:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to add material on Kennedy's Rise and Fall of Great Powers, please add it in the "Critique of the european miracle and alternate hypotheses" section, it would be a very good thing to add. I don't know where you got the idea that world-systems theory is "obsolete," though, and the format of your last edit was more like notes than an article. I highly encourage you to improve on this article, though, just try to keep within the organizational structure. Thank you, and happy editing, -Halidecyphon 07:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with "political fragmentation theory" in relation to ideas of the European miracle. There is no sense in having a header on a blank paragraph. If you can explain why "political fragmentation theory" is a central aspect of the European miracle concept, please do so either on the talk page or write it into the article. You seem frustrated, but I am having trouble understanding why. For the reference, I am not "suicidal"... -Halidecyphon 22:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  political fragmantation 

message: that is real crap,if you add up all the dead in the wars and peopol in the colonies(for example usa) you have a huge increase in population.well i gess it's for historic reasons that it is here--Ruber chiken 13:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're saying that it's hard to take Eric Jones seriously, I agree with you completely. However, the purpose of the article is to objectively explain the European Miracle hypothesis, not to prove or disprove it. -Halidecyphon 07:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The concept and term "European miracle" here is ascribed to Eric Jones. The article is about that theory. I do not know what you are referring to by "the theory in general." Please explain. -Halidecyphon 22:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: You are right; Eric Jones certainly did not invent european exceptionalism. As detailed in the "roots of the european miracle" section, Weber, Smith, and Hegel, for example, also had similar ideas and Jones' concept comes to a large extent from those earlier ideas (such as the protestant work ethic and "spirit"). However, as far as I know, the term "european miracle" was coined, or at least, popularized first by Eric Jones. If you can provide an example of an earlier use of the term, this would be very valuable to the article. It sounds to me that you wish to expand the section on the roots of the European Miracle theory. Feel free to do so, I can proofread your english if you like. -Halidecyphon 14:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  european family  

message: This article lacks the date when the theory was publicized. In my opinion it is vital to know whether it was conceived in the early 19th century, or late 21st, so the article should reference it at least in the introduction. I don't know it myself, so I can't write it in. 84.3.185.207 08:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of date 

message: This article does not present a neutral point of view, it seems mainly a critique and a chance to provide links to other loosely related subjects/books.
First of all, The European Miracle is not an 'idea' of Eric Jones as claimed, but a book by said author.  A book that has an ISBN, a publication date and a publisher that should be mentioned just in case someone has a desire to actually read the book! (Something the authors of this entry apparently haven't done.) How about a summary of the main chapters of the book, the thesis, and then (of course) a critique of the ideas. Encyclops (talk) 19:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV ? 

message: I don't think that Europe was backwards DURING the Middle Ages. In the Fourteen century medieval european civilization included the highest building(Lincoln cathedral)in the world as well as the highest nave(Beauvais cathedral) and the greatest bridge arch(Trezzo bridge) in the world. Europe was also home to the great Bardi bank in Florence which had affiliates all over Europe and the Levant. Great scientists like Nicola Oresme were European and inventions like glasses, plate armour and mechanical clock(in a reasonable size) were also invented here. 
These are the reasons why Europe DURING(not at the beginnig of) the Middle ages should not be considered less advanced than the Islamic world and in some cases not even less than China. 
I personaly presume that Europe was even more advanced in the fourteen century than the Islamic world.
The fourteen century was not the age of Renaissance and therefore belongs to the Middle ages.
Isidoros47 (talk) 16:50, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backward Europe during the middle ages? 

message: * http://www.riseofthewest.com/thinkers/jones01.htm and more --59.5.239.241 (talk) 09:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly, Eric Jones is notable and should have an article. Feel free to create it, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eric Jones 

message: Shouldn't the full book name be used for the name (The European Miracle: Environments, Economies and Geopolitics in the History of Europe and Asia)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name