Talk:Seventeenth of Tammuz

message: The article, prior to my edit, claimed that the offering ceased during the siege of Jerusalem due to the unavailability of sacrificial animals. While this is logical, no source was given.
Rashi (to Taanit 26b) explains that the tamid offering was outlawed by imperial decree.
--Hanina 16:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Background: cessation of the ''tamid'' offering

message: I made a couple of minor changes to the article: somebody referred to the passage in Jeremiah 52 as indicating the breaching of the walls as being on the 9th of Tammuz. Jeremiah makes the same claim in 39:2, and I added that. It's important because, as I also made clear, it's the verse in 39:2 that the Yerushalmi is quoting. The only other change I made was to the Yerushalmi reference. Somebody wrote IV,4, but it's actually IV,5 --58.173.105.252 (talk) 07:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Palestinian/Jerusalem Talmud

message: See subject.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.109.25 (talk) 13:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't "ti" be taken off the end of "Eikhah Rabbati"? 

message: Substituted at 05:50, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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replies: text: Checked, and link updated. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: I just checked a perpetual calendar program and July 4, 1776, fell on the 17th of Tammuz.  This raises two points:
1. Is that a coincidence or did the Second Continental Congress intentionally pick this day?  If it was intentional, someone should update the relevant U.S. history articles that discuss the timing of the Declaration of Independence to reflect the reason the date was chosen.
2. While is it definitely not one of the calamities mentioned in the Mishna, do we have a reliable source to say that American independence was NOT a calamity befalling the Jewish people? I tend to think it was actually beneficial to the Jews, but I'm not sure that everyone would agree.  If there is no objective standard to decide what is a calamity and what is a good event, then we should just list all the important events that fell on this day without commenting on which were calamities.  (Unless the list is suppose to be a list of only the calamities that led to the fast, which would necessarily exclude any that occurred later.)
47.139.41.191 (talk) 18:49, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The link to the 4th of July is trivia at its best. I propose the material is deleted. Arcturus (talk) 18:10, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No other comments, so I removed it. Arcturus (talk) 15:54, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The U.S. declared independence on this day (really)