Talk:Scotch College, Melbourne

message: What was the exact location of the school at Landsdowne St? What is there now, and do any parts of the old school building remain?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.89.211 (talk) 04:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Landsdowne

message: The "Controversy" and "Funding" sections do not have any sources and are not encylopaedic in nature.  They do not add to an understanding of the present nature of the school and seem to be more subjective than other parts of the article.  I suggest thay be deleted entirely.    The only relevant part of the "Funding" section seems to be the fees - which can be picked up in the general introduction.  What do people think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.209.216.245 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Irrelevant sections

message: The article claims that Scotch was the number 1 ranking school last year. However, I believe that Melbourne High had a median ENTER score of 93 (that is, 50% of students achieved a mark of 93 or higher). Oranges91 12:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Academics 

message: "The school's cadet unit is the oldest military unit in Australia, even formed before the Australian Army"
I'm quite sure this isnt true, i think that distinction belongs to Sydney Grammar or Kings or some other Sydney school. Its also not worded very well, is it saying the cadet unit is the oldest cadet unit in Australia? or the oldest MILITARY unit?. so seeing as its all un-verified, iv removed it till its proven. -Viva43 12:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cadet Unit

message: Half the people listed as alumni aren't really all that famous or notable.--Celendin 16:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you could be more specific?  Another approach is of course to create a category for Scotch College Melbourne Alumni, and then the question of notability disappears, as the articles will explain the notability. — Stumps 18:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It says they're notable, not famous. I can't see anyone on that list who isn't notable. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 06:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alumni

message: have reverted to original paragraph about Scotch alumni in Who's Who.  The changes that have been made to reflect MHS alumni in Who's Who etc are not approriate for the following reasons:
1 - They are not cited - where is the research to back the claim?  The McCalman/Peel research and the Hansen reaseach are available at university and state libraries and at the times of its publication the McCalman/Peel research was reported on in the media.  If there is newer research it should be able to be identified and cited to support any contraty statements in this article about Scotch having the highest number of almni in Who's Who.
:I think that's the point - the sources are not cited in the Wiki article. See WP:CITE -- Chuq 02:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who's Who 

message: The Scotch College Chair of Council is no longer Michael Robinson AO. His successor is David Crawford as announced on Thursday 19th October 2006 at the Yr 12 speech night. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.132.54.102 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chair of Council 

message: (Start/Top) Ive assessed the article as start class, given the lack of any information on the history of the school, some sections have little/no information. Top importance, the school has an extensive alumni list, a strong history, i was tempted to give it a high importance, but the Alumni section really swayed my opinion. Twenty Years 11:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: the "Cock" house (in the house section)??? is it actually named that or is it vandalism???Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  House section 

message: I don't think it is necessary to include students names unless they are of particular interest. The Debating section for example, includes a number of names of students from the last few years simply because they won their competition. If this is the precedent, they why not include the names of the rowers from the last five first crews? The easiest solution is to avoid naming student unless they are of particular interest, for example if they appear on the List of Notable Old Scotch Collegians.  KC (talk) 22:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming Students 

message: I have been asked to re-assess this article following a request at WP:WPSCH/A#R. I am maintaining the existing Top-importance rating; the alumni and national attention the school has had is enough to justify this. As a whole this is a well written article, and is of good enough quality to justify B-class. The main weakness, taking into account the importance of the school, is article length. Many sections seem short and incomplete. For example the history section needs to cover over 150 years, but is currently only a paragraph long. Some schools with this level of importance and age have enough material on history to justify a separate article, for example History of Baltimore City College. The campuses and extra-curricular activities should also be expanded, I would also suggest converting them to prose to flow better. Other possible missing sections can be found at WP:WPSCH/AG#S. The media descriptions section does not necessary, and may create neutrality concerns. It should probably be merged with the rest of the article or removed. Galleries with "random" images are discouraged per WP:IG; I would suggest creating one on Wikimedia Commons and then link it from the article using . Camaron ·  Christopher · talk 16:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 2 

message: I have reinstated the tags which where previously added by another user. I believe some sections of the article can do with rewording as it appears that it is written in a non-neutral and in a mannar. If there are no further objections or discussion on this matter I will be starting to review and rewrite some sections next weekend (06/02/2010).
Any discussion about this matter would be greatly appeciated. 
Sheepunderscore (talk) 06:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality and Wording  

message: Re recent change by Murtoa: I do not think it is appropriate to limit this interesting fact about the of the school by the suggested wording "In 1988..." as there is also the 1971 Hansen research, as well as the 2001 Fairfax (Sunday Mail) research in addition to the Peel/MacCalma research in 1988. All those had Scotch as the number one school. The refernces in the article make it clear to people when the research was undertaken so it does not need to say the date(s) in the relevant sentence in the actual article. I am not aware of any more recent research than the 2001 Fairfax, however I am aware of older research of Australian "elites"  which used different samples than "Who's Who" (eg, Encel in the 1960s & 70s, and Higley/Deacon/Smart in 1979) which also had Scotch as the top school for producing "elites". Melbanian (talk) 10:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't deny it is an interesting fact, but in the absence of updated information it is simply incorrect to claim that "it has more alumni mentioned in Who's Who in Australia (a listing of notable Australians) than any other school".  In 1988, it had more, and maybe in 1971 it had more.  The 2001 reference I believe relates to the same research undertaken by Peel and McCalman in 1988; that is, I don't believe it was updated in 2001 - the rankings for 1988 and 2001 appear identical and the 2001 article quotes McCalman.  In any case, it is simply not factual to assume that it remains the case in 2010.  It may do so, but we don't know - that is why I believe the statement should be conditioned to a past tense - maybe "studies over the years have found that".  I don't think it should be left as is.  Murtoa (talk) 13:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Who's Who references

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