Talk:Vol. 4 (Black Sabbath album)

message: Shouldn't this be Black Sabbath Vol. 4??????????????? Lee M 01:57, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This is what I agree with. Just because the band's name is on the cover of an album, it doesn't make it a part of the title. Jthm guitarist (talk) 07:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Allmusic and Rolling Stone both refer to it as Black Sabbath Vol. 4. I would be against moving to 'Volume 4'. J04n(talk page) 20:03, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

text: The label on the vinyl Vertigo LP also shows the title as "Black Sabbath Vol. 4" with the band name repeated under it. The label has the period at the end of Vol, which the cover art does not. I don't see any justification for writing "Volume" in full, since that isn't on the cover or the label.--Walor (talk) 20:07, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: *All song titles serve as redirects to this album or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen Talk 17:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: <^>v|This album is connected|v<^>

message: I merged stub articles for "St. Vitus Dance (song)", "Supernaut" and "Snowblind (song)" back into Black Sabbath, Vol 4 — articles aren't really needed for each song. Hopefully this doesn't enrage anyone.
:Yes, it DOES enrages me, because these are some of THE BEST FREAKIN' SONGS IN THE HISTORY OF MUSIC. They DO deserve their own articles. Yeah, enragement is the best word, I guess... 85.89.184.212 (talk) 17:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection to the merge but anyone looking for Supernaut (band) may not have found it as a result of changing Supernaut to a redirect.  I've switched it to a disambig page which should fulfil all requirements. —Moondyne 06:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for catching this! / edg ☺ ☭ 06:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge and other changes 

message: in this article it's stated that vol 4 was "...recorded in California, the first time Sabbath had recorded a studio album outside the United Kingdom. [1]"
the article for Master of Reality states that it was recorded at the same place in california, which one is wrong? 74.216.44.229 (talk) 05:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  recording information 

message: Please, journalists are not the best source for metal subgenres. Where are the hardcore punk influences here?
:Forgot to sign:Gothbag (talk) 05:38, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not sludge metal 

message: Does anyone have any info as to why there are so many variations of the color on the cover art?  I've seen hard orange, yellow, and somewhere between the two.  Which one is supposed to be the right one?  zappafrank2112 (talk) 18:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover Art Variations 

message: I don't know who put this album as stoner and doom metal, but you're totally wrong. Yes it has traces of stoner left from MOR, but it's not a stoner metal album, nor is it even close to doom metal, no sabbath album is doom. It is hard rock/heavy metal and keep it that way please. 74.183.34.16 (talk) 05:30, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: Hi User:ChakaKong can you please explain what the objection is to the open text citation format. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:14, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are citing books as sources and this is the preferred citation style. I've never seen anyone place entire paragraphs from a book into an inline citation like you're doing. Also, why are you adding a source to a song title? It's not necessary. ChakaKongLet's talk about it 02:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We do it all the time in articles where it's needed to check the content. How does anyone know what the cite says and source say are the same? i.e. What harm is it doing to let readers see the original source? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:42, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  How does anyone know what the cite says and source say are the same? They read it! They actually verify it by reading the book you're citing, which is exactly what we are expected to do. No offense, but how do I know what you typed in is what the source actually says? I don't. ChakaKongLet's talk about it 03:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Please do not deleted sourced content. I have changed copy to agree with your (correct) interpretation of the sourced ref. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it's wrong, I'll revert it. Sourced or not. You seem to be in agreement that your edit was inaccurate, so anyone can revert it at any time. ChakaKongLet's talk about it 03:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  And what exactly does your line The song "Under the Sun" is an experiment following the play with eclectic structures in "Wicked World" even mean? That sentence is going to confuse anyone who reads it and should be reverted. ChakaKongLet's talk about it 03:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It means the same as it means in the book source which you deleted. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:15, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation format

message: The statement by Tony Iommi that Black Sabbath did not release singles between Paranoid and Never say Die is clearly false and maybe due to the fact that those singles did not chart. As also reported in Black Sabbath discography#Singles, Black Sabbath released three singles through Vertigo Records, WWA and NEMS in the UK and Warner Bros. Records in the USA, between 1972 and 1976. They are Tomorrow's Dream / Laguna Sunrise (Vertigo 6059 061, September 1972) , Sabbath Bloody Sabbath / Changes (WWA WWS 002, December 1973) , Am I Going Insane (Radio) / Hole in the Sky (NEMS 6165 300, December 1975) . The count is limited to British and American editions, because more singles were produced in other European countries and Japan. A good list can be found here: . For printed sources on Black Sabbath discography I suggest the books The Great Rock Discography by M.C. Strong () and Black Sabbath by Chris Welch (), but other biographies of the band have a reference to the cited singles.  Lewismaster (talk) 14:41, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you source your edits reliably rather than edit warring on the subject, as you have been doing thus far. I'm not seeing any sources here which can trump Iommi's assertion that his band did not release these songs as singles. That is a reliable source. Your sources show that photos of potentially limited edition promotional records exist. That's all that I'm seeing; no proof that the songs were officially released as singles. I have my doubts that "metal-archives.com" will pass as a reliable source. I have the Chris Welch book in my hands right now... which page confirms that Tomorrow's Dream / Laguna Sunrise was released as a single? I can't find it. ChakaKongLet's talk about it 16:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Discography, page 93. I own a couple of those singles and they are not promo copies. By the way, in this singles collection there are at least two of them: http://www.allmusic.com/album/singles-box-set-mw0000461824. How many sources do you need against only Iommi's word? here are a couple:    Lewismaster (talk) 16:41, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  The snowblind.no sources cannot be used because they don't meet the criteria for reliability. I would like to see some better sources because there is obviously contradictory information on this subject out there. Please don't re-ad the material until it can be proven reliably. ChakaKongLet's talk about it 17:34, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles 

message: I don't see a peace sign on :File:Black Sabbath Vol. 4.png as you claim, you also "" first of all I don't see "two" hands at all and it's not even "obvious" that the image is even a person. Put all that aside I don't see the importance of mentioning the peace sign at all anyway. Cheers,  Mlpearc (open channel) 22:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If an edit is not sourced, anyone can revert it based on their opinion or knowledge. Your claim will have to be sourced to stay but, it will probably be reverted anyway do to relevance or WP:NOBLE, it's not that important to even mention.  Cheers,  Mlpearc (open channel) 23:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peace sign 

message: Why did someone put progressive rock there?  There is no progressive rock in this. TheEarthboundFan2001 (talk) 02:55, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progressive rock? 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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