Talk:Autumn Phillips

message: The cite for her middle name is contained in the Privy Council announcement of the Queen's consent to the marriage. Ariadne55 (talk) 13:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle Name 

message: Is this an encyclopaedia or a tabloid gossip column.  There is nothing encyclopaedic about the colour or designer of bridesmaids' dresses, or about going to a family dinner with her then fiancé. Kevin McE (talk) 11:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree on the first. The family dinner showed her status within the Royal Family before marriage, and for a royal partner this is important. I agree regarding the colour & designer of bridesmaids dresses though, but do believe the fact Zara Phillips was a bridesmaid should be kept.--UpDown (talk) 11:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it really remarkable that the groom's sister acts as a bridesmaid?  Not that unusual in my experience. Kevin McE (talk) 16:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe not, but if you remove what might be counted as part of a "usual" life in an article on a royal you would be left with very little information. Royalty are notable for being who they are and the details of their lives are notable, not their careers like an actor or singer.--UpDown (talk) 18:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why if I had seen the discussion in time, I would have added my voice in favour of the deletion of the article, on the grounds that she is not notable for anything other than her attachment to someone not notable for anything other than his attachment to someone else. Kevin McE (talk) 20:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On that grounds every article for every royal would be deleted! They are notable for who they are - they do not need extra notablity.--UpDown (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed (which is largely why I have little sympathy with monarchism), but unto how many degrees of removal from any authority or anyone who actually carries out royal duties does this extend?  Will the spouses of Peter and Autumn's children get articles?  Their children? Is anyone of interest to the gossip columnists therefore worthy of an article?  And if so, will the article be any more than a digest of scurrilous tittle-tattle? Kevin McE (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that their children and their spouses would not get articles (unless of course they become notable for any reason). Any of their details would be on Phillips & Kelly's articles.--UpDown (talk) 07:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encyclopaedic??? 

message: Please note the following about date format from Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) - "articles in Canadian English may use either format consistently. Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country will therefore normally use the corresponding date format" and later "If an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the whole article should conform to it, unless there are reasons for changing it on the basis of strong national ties to the topic." In other words, either date format can be used for a Canadian article, and when an article has developed using one format, it should not be changed without strong reason, the fact Canadian articles can use either therefore means they is no reason to change it.--UpDown (talk) 21:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware that either format can be used, but the dominant percentage of articles on Canadian subjects use the [month] [day], [year] format. Changing this to correspond is merely bringing it in line with the majority. Is there any particular reason this should not be done? --G2bambino (talk) 21:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the MoS I quote. Unless you revert, I shall report you for directly ignoring the MoS. Changing date formats is disruptive. Either can be used, one has been used ALWAYS on this article, you have changed. You are directly ignoring policy. Why???--UpDown (talk) 21:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just done by third revert in 24 hours, for my reasons mentioned. You have also done 3 reverts.--UpDown (talk) 21:17, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So, let me get this clear: you are threatening that if I don't revert you will "report" me? --G2bambino (talk) 21:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For breaching the clear MoS that says date formats should not be changed unless for strong national reasons. The MoS makes clear Canada can use either, therefore those reasons don't exist. A clear breach of MoS.--UpDown (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't address what I asked. You threatened (which is itself against WP policy) to "report" me if I did not revert your changes, therefore trying to force me to undo what you did. Strange. --G2bambino (talk) 21:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No threat. I asked you to revert your MoS breach. Simple. [Confusion may arise because I originally believed I could not revert because of your misleading 3RR comment, when I realised I could, I did]--UpDown (talk) 21:33, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Because the MoS says "If an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the whole article should conform to it, unless there are reasons for changing it on the basis of strong national ties to the topic." - in other words this article has developed in UK date format. As this can be used on Canada articles, to change it is distruptive and anti-MoS. It is generally accepted date format changing is disruptive and should only be done if necessary. The MoS makes it clear it is not necessary (had she been American is would have been fine).--UpDown (talk) 21:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the whole article should conform. That is not the same as saying "the whole article cannot be changed." I see a bonus in bringing the dates in-line with other Canadian articles. Given what I just mentioned, you still haven't explained why not. --G2bambino (talk) 21:59, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it is considered disruptive (indeed I have been ticked off before for even changing date formats on one article to conform). It is generally accepted that where a whole article uses a date format that is correct it should not be changed.--UpDown (talk) 22:05, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so we've now gone from absolute law laid down by the MOS to what is  "generally accepted." Well, when either format is correct, change is a possibility. When the majority of articles on Canadian subjects use one form, why should this one be different? --G2bambino (talk) 22:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note also this "In the early stages of writing an article, the date format chosen by the first major contributor to the article should be used, unless there is reason to change it on the basis of strong national ties to the topic." - no reason as defined by MoS, which says Canada can use either format. I suggest you try and get the MoS changed so Canada is in the same boat as the US for date formatting - this is clearly the issue.--UpDown (talk) 22:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah hah! And who was the first contributor to this article? None other than User:UpDown. Still, you are misusing the guideline: firstly, it says "in the early stages of the article," which we are long past now, and the "strong national ties to the topic" seem to be Canadian, which means either format is acceptable. It thus comes down to a decision between retaining one format or moving to another. I've given a reason for the move, you've given none for the retention of the status quo. --G2bambino (talk) 22:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you take this issue to an admin. I read the MoS very clearly, changing date format should not be used unless for strong national reasons, Canada can use the UK format, this has always been used for the article, so it should not be changed. If you disagree, take to admin or the MoS's talk page - we are clearly not going to agree on this.--UpDown (talk) 07:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to direct your problems off to someone else to deal with. Perhaps you should stop making it so difficult for yourself: explain why the format should not be changed. What is it that's so important about [day] [month] [year] to this article that it must remain as such and therefore different from most other Canadian subject aricles? --G2bambino (talk) 12:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because you are doing you normal trick of arguing and arguing, igoring what the <script type="text/javascript" src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Omegatron/monobook.js/addlink.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>other person is saying and pretending they are not explaining themselves. I have given my reasons, you totally ignore them in a hope to suit your POV. Please ask an admin. This is not me directing problems elsewhere, it is getting a neutral 3rd party involved, rather than us bicker on here for ever. Why are you afraid of that?--UpDown (talk) 13:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a trick, UD. It's a simple question posed to you, and one which you refuse to answer. Pointing to a guideline and saying that's the answer is not the answer; it's been explained to you how the guideline doesn't support your demands. Of course, if you continue to refuse to provide any rational explanation for why the format has to remain as it is, and continue your well-known pattern of reverting (all together adding up to some serious ownership issues), then neutral 3rd parties will probably be necessary. But all that can be avoided if you'd simply answer the question. Why are you afraid of it? --G2bambino (talk) 14:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not falling for this, its what you do with everyone, you keep going on and on and on asking questions. You never accept you maybe wrong. I have answered serveral times, if you cannot read these then that's not my problem. Let's try once more and see if can read it this time "I read the MoS very clearly, changing date format should not be used unless for strong national reasons, Canada can use the UK format, this has always been used for the article, so it should not be changed". That clear? I will not be discussing this further unless with a third party, something you seem reluctant to do.--UpDown (talk) 14:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And as has been explained to you: the section you point to regarding the changing of the date format refers only to breaking from consistency within the article itself. As I am not proposing to do that, the section you point to is irrelevant to the discussion. Now, would you care to try again? If not, and you believe you cannot answer the questions put to you, feel free to seek out another opinion from a neutral party. I certainly won't stop you. --G2bambino (talk) 14:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you are now being delibratley annoying and ignoring the guidelines. I am now wasting my time talking to you - you don't listen. If you change the date format I will revert it. Please see a neutral 3rd party admin.--UpDown (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I see you have successfully bullied one user away from Wikipedia this week, and frankly I feel like you are trying to make me the second. You whole attitude I find deeply worrying. But, to the point. I have tidied the page, adding back the extended lead (per WP:LEAD), changed reference from "Peter" to "Phillips" (he's not an HRH, so we use his surname), and tidied links. I also believe the extended info on what some journalist said and what the Canadian PM then incorrectly said is unnecessary. It is also POV, and many people commented on the situation. A good paragraph on the Act of Settlement article would be better, its not needed on Autumn's page. I have also changed the date format. As you are obviously afraid of taking it to a 3rd party (I am not afraid, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong - there is only one way to find out), I will take to the MoS talk page.--UpDown (talk) 11:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Changing date formats.--UpDown (talk) 11:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Many thanks for your help. I now regret I didn't get a third party involved sooner, it would have saved us the edit war and argument.--UpDown (talk) 11:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Although G2bambino keeps asking UpDown for reasons to keep the format, he has not explicitly said why he wants it changed, other than "the majority use one form. Pardon me, but please be more accurate. What I said was that the majority of Canadian articles use the [month] [day], [year] format. I'm willing to concede that this article should break from that consistency, if a valid reason for doing so is presented. However, nothing but "it's been that way since the article was started" has been offered as a reason. Certainly the status quo has a certain precedence over changes, but, the status quo need not remain simply because it has up until a given point. Again, why must this article be different from others in the same scope? It's really a rather simple question. --G2bambino (talk) 15:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text: [Minor addition]: As per "edit warring": UpDown keeps hiding article wide edits behind the guise of the date format issue, and won't discuss them as long as it stands the way she wants it. I'm simply trying to keep the issue alive until it is resolved; though the arrival of outside opinion is a vast improvement from yesterday. --G2bambino (talk) 15:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When an article is written with one date format, you are out of line changing it to your own personal preferences. According to The Canadian Style: A Guide to Writing and Editing, which is the Canadian government's authority on the subject, either date format is acceptable, and neither is preferable. Additionally, Phillips is related to the British royal family, which would use the British date format (3 May 1978), and was born in Quebec, which would use the French date format (3 Mai 1978). So I don't see the point in changing it to the American date format (May 3, 1978).RockyMtnGuy (talk) 16:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input, but you're unfortunately wrong on a number of counts. The facts so far are 1) either format is acceptable, 2) most Canadian subject articles use the [month] [day], [year] form. However, what happens here (and elsewhere in future) is now pending the result of discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Changing date formats. --G2bambino (talk) 19:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So everyone is wrong bar you? What was the point in getting others involved if you ignore them as well? You behaviour if getting very near to me making a complaint of sorts, its deeply unacceptable. You have ignored my points about the lead, everyone's points about the dates and untidied the links I tidied, removed the word "born", and repeated twin.--UpDown (talk) 21:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't comment on things I never said; sorry. --G2bambino (talk) 21:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So you are refusing to discuss the changes?--UpDown (talk) 22:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Evidently I am not. --G2bambino (talk) 22:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But you will not discuss the links, the word "born" you are removing, the repeated use of twins in the opening line of first section, and the lead.--UpDown (talk) 22:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because those weren't the subject of this discussion. That is not, however, the same as "refusing to discuss the changes." --G2bambino (talk) 22:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Date format

message: I am also uneasy about some of your other edits, changing it to say Phillips is a member of the Royal Family ("Autumn did not know until six weeks after their meeting that Phillips was a member of the Royal Family") - he's not. The changing to calling her Autumn everywhere, not appriopiate for an encyclopedia, should be Phillips (only HRH/HMs should be referred to by first name), and the un-needed attention brought to what some journalist said in a paper about it (and what a PM incorrectly said). This is not needed on Phillips' page (especially as she converted), but on the Act of Settlement page.--UpDown (talk) 21:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your opinions may be valid, but do not match the extent of your changes. A few words here and there is one thing, but a complete undo is all-together different. --G2bambino (talk) 21:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A complete revert is necessary because of the extent of the bad quality of your change. Orignally, I added some of your good edits back, but most were bad. I am reporting you for MoS ignoring per the above.--UpDown (talk) 21:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Your link to royal family via Commonwealth realms article is also your usual POV pushing. A link to the page on the ACTUAL family, rather than a generic section about how it is shared is far better.--UpDown (talk) 21:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see you're going to be uncooperative in this matter. Disappointing, but not a surprise. In fact, I was in the midst of making some changes specific to the points you raised above, only to find you'd done another blunt and thoughtless revert in the meantime. What a shame. --G2bambino (talk) 21:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is also disappointing that your usual POV is being brought in, especially with the date format. As I said, some of your original changes I added back in.--UpDown (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I see no need for that tag - there is nothing wrong with the spelling, tone etc. Just because its not your version...!--UpDown (talk) 21:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't care if you added "some" of my changes back in. What I care about is your ownership issues with this article. As I said, I was in the middle of making changes in an attempt to satisfy the concerns you brought up, but you thwarted that attempt by bluntly reverting again. That, in combination with your threats, demonstrates a very territorial and defensive attitude. --G2bambino (talk) 21:33, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not ownership, its keeping the article, well written, NPOV and relevant, and in line with MoS.--UpDown (talk) 21:35, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet, you've just proved how you do have ownership issues: the article is only well written, NPOV, and relevant when you say it is. No cooperation, just an enforcement of your opinion. Not good. --G2bambino (talk) 21:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes of course it my opinion, what else can it be? But the date format is back up by MoS, as it referring to her by her first name. Both not my opinion but backed up by guideance. You are also trying to enforce your edits, adding the date format despite MoS for example. Had you co-operated firstly, maybe taking it to talk after my initial revert rather than saying you were adding back an date format then do a complete revert. Perhaps that would have been best rather than try and hide a whole edit under date format changing (which of course was anti-MoS anyway).--UpDown (talk) 21:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Regarding the 3RR. Although my 4th revert was a different revert, I take the point, and will revert it (although as I said, the tag is ludicrous).--UpDown (talk) 21:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I feel you are now clutching at straw. The "problems" you list above can happen at the article of any person, so by that we would use first names on all articles. In cases where it could cause confusion, that is addressed, by either saying "Autumn Phillips (or Kelly)", or just "Autumn", which would be acceptable in a singular instance where is avoids confusion. But it cannot be used throughout the whole article. Another problem with your changes, you shortened the lead, breaking WP:LEAD, which advises leads of good length. All this is why the nearly the whole edit needing reverting, there were just too many problems.--UpDown (talk) 22:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the problem can happen at any biographical article, but that doesn't mean it does, or that is should be allowed to happen here. So, something needs to change in order to avoid the issue; I made an attempt, but that doesn't mean it was the only solution. Udoing my attempt, though, does nothing to address the problem. --G2bambino (talk) 22:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no problem, that I can see, in this article about confusion. If their is an indiviual problem, fix that [Note in the last sentence, I wrote "Peter" because using Phillips would have been confusing about which one].--UpDown (talk) 22:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And I see a problem; Kelley is used alone a number of times throughout the article; which one is that, Brian or Autumn? It also refers to (I assume) Autumn as Kelley after her marriage, when she clearly became Phillips. --G2bambino (talk) 22:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The subject of the article should be referred to by her surname after the first mention, per MOS Bio on subsequent use. In a paragraph with others who have the same surname, all should consistently be referred to by given name or complete name, per MOS Bio on family members. In an article on Autumn Phillips née Kelly, "Kelly" or "Phillips" refers to the subject of the article, because her family members would properly be referred to as Brian/Kitty/Chris Kelly and her husband as Peter Phillips. Similarly, at Peter Phillips, "Phillips" would refer to him not to his father or sister. As for UpDown's ownership issues, this isn't the first time she's done taken over an article and reverted away everyone else. Look at her contrib and talk pages. Still, what can one do? Ariadne55 (talk) 23:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I assume, then, that Autumn would be referred to as Kelley until her wedding, after which it would be Phillips. Or, is it Phillips throughout the entire article, as that is now what her name is, and in the title of the page? --G2bambino (talk) 23:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Either approach would work in this article, because it's so short. In general, an article flows better if it refers to the person by their best known surname throughout. Sentences where it doesn't make sense can be finessed with a pronoun, careful phrasing, or the phrase "the then". I edited Linda McCartney and some other articles that way and it went well. On the other hand, Elton John's page is an example of how a Kelly/Phillips approach can get out of hand in a long article. Ariadne55 (talk) 00:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that Autumn should be referred to as Kelly until marriage, then Phillips, in the same way that you would not refer to Elizabeth II as "The Queen" before 1952. [Please note G2bambino it is Kelly not Kelley] I also do not believe people would think "Kelly" would refer to her father, the article is on her, so its fairly apparent. Any sentences referring to him would say "Brian Kelly".--UpDown (talk) 06:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure about that - it looks a bit odd, maybe because "Kelly" can be used as both a forename and surname. I think consistency throughout the article is better than Kelly (hereafter known as Phillips) - especially if such a specific change is un-mentioned. As to which name is "more widely used", I'm not in a position to say. But my preference would be one or the other, not both.–MDCollins (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Other edits

message: Others have weighed in on how to deal with the article subject's name; hopefully I can summarise these correctly:
* Ariadne55: The subject of the article should be referred to by her surname after the first mention. "Kelly" or "Phillips" refers to the subject of the article, because her family members would properly be referred to as Brian/Kitty/Chris Kelly and her husband as Peter Phillips. [A]n article flows better if it refers to the person by their best known surname throughout.
* UpDown: Autumn should be referred to as Kelly until marriage, then Phillips.
* MDCollins: Consistency throughout the article is better than Kelly (hereafter known as Phillips) - especially if such a specific change is un-mentioned.Consistency throughout an article is paramount. The subject of the article should be referred to by the surname they are most commonly known as (or wish to be known as), throughout the article.–MDCollins (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. I've always understood it to be common practise to refer to people how they were at the time.--UpDown (talk) 21:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Others apparently disagree with you, so please work it out here. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with MDCollins and Ariadne55; consistency throughout makes sense from a reader's standpoint. --G2bambino (talk) 21:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've clarified my view above. The example at the MOS is Elizabeth Taylor who is known as Taylor throughout the article. This is slightly different in that she was always known as that regardless of who she was married to. Do we know what surname Autumn is using post marriage? At the moment the subject is named Phillips, and so that should be used throughout the article (unless she uses her maiden name).–MDCollins (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe she's retained her maiden name. If we're to use one name throughout the article, I therefore think it should be Phillips, not Kelly; she's presently not known as the latter. Of course, if anything changes in the future, this page can be altered to suit. --G2bambino (talk) 16:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, she hasn't retained her maiden name. I maintain that two names are best, what the title of the article is is immaterial. Regretably the MoS doesn't appear to be clear on this, but the way I read it we should use they name appriopiate for the time the event occured. To say, for example, "Phillips graduated from University..." is, in my eyes, just wrong. She didn't, Kelly did. I don't think it confuses people in the slightest.--UpDown (talk) 16:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Names

message: My mistake--the official name of her daughter was not verified via the official Twitter, but rather via several independent royal sources, such as royalty.nu's Twitter, Netty's Royal Blog, the Royal Forums, etc. These sources state that "blessings were offered at Sandringham for Savannah Phillips, the newborn daughter of Peter and Autumn Phillips." If this is found to be an error, please correct it. Thank you!
Le fantome de l'opera (talk) 19:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We need to wait for official source, at the moments its blogs, forums and some newspapers but not Buckingham Palace, or more reliable sources like BBC.UpDown (talk) 16:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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message: "Autumn Patricia Phillips (née Kelly, 3 May 1978) was the wife of Peter Phillips, the son of Princess Anne, and the oldest grandchild of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip."
This sentence suggests Autumn, and not Peter, is the grandchild of Elizabeth and Philip. Grondilu (talk) 13:05, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading first sentence 

message: Sources from the article refer to the subject as "Autumn Phillips" and "Autumn Kelly".  while the full statement itself reads"Mr Peter Phillips and Mrs Autumn Phillips are pleased to be able to report that the financial aspects of their divorce ..." Is this move warranted when there's no evidence of her reverting to her maiden name?--Bettydaisies (talk) 02:26, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The move was undiscussed, and thus it should be reverted. If any technical difficulties arise, the issue can be taken to the technical requests section of Wikipedia:Requested moves where admins or page movers can restore the previous title. It is noteworthy that she used the name Autumn Phillips in her divorce statement, and there have been many women who still go by their ex-husband’s surname after divorce. An example in the royal family was Camilla, known as Camilla Parker Bowles even after her 1995 divorce. Keivan.fTalk 07:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page name 

message: We would need to know who got custody of the children. Valetude (talk) 23:20, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who got custody? 

message: I don't think she or her brother should be in this category - the family tree is pretty clear, and there are plenty of others like David Armstrong-Jones, 2nd Earl of Snowdon and Lady Sarah Chatto who aren't included on this basis. Maybe this discussion should happen on the Category talk page? Unbh (talk) 06:05, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  House of Windsor category 

message: Forgive me if there’s a precedent for this that I’m unaware of but wouldn’t Autumn have got the QE2 Diamond Jubilee medal? Mike, Kate, Tim and Sophie all have it listed on their articles, and Edo & Jack have the Platinum Jubilee medal listed. Shouldn’t Autumn have the Diamond Jubilee one? 2.24.250.51 (talk) 19:19, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diamond Jubilee medal