Talk:Raise the Red Lantern

message: the pinyin seems to be wrong on my rendering engine, not complying with unicode. --Abdull 12:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  pinyin wrong 

message: China stopped being feudal when the Qing fell in 1911, so the era bit here is wrong.
China stopped being Feudal with Qin Shihuangdi, long before Europe even thought of feudalism. The use of feudal for imperial China is a side-effect of marxist philosophy claiming that everything pre-revolution is feudal.
: Well actually after the death of Yuan Shikai, China became a huge warlord arena; but it's describing that as feudal like describing Gangland America as feudal. Warlord era is the term.  Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 01:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feudalism is an actual social structure and China never has been so yeah, the word "feudal" is wrong. 203.160.86.56 (talk) 17:14, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuedal? 

message: Shim-pua_marriage <--- Is this the marriage arrangement that the film  used?
:No, I really doubt it. Let me quote the article, "Due to the lower-class status of the girls, discrimination was often present, and slavery-like treatment was not uncommon." However, this is clearly not the conditions that appeared in the film. Her role was not as labour. SIGURD42 11:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shim-Pua marriage

message: Well, hello! I think I've done quite a bit for this article now. I've added and changed quite a bit. All the current citations are my work, I hope they're OK [I'd never added a citation before today!]. I've added a new 'reception' section, added to the film infobox, fiddled/changed/edited the intro and added to the external links. I also got rid of what I thought was a POV comment somewhere, I'll leave you to check the history if you're interested. I may well add a 'Distribution' section soon as I think I've got some good info on that. Please tell me if anything was wrong/good/bad or whatever. Comments would be great! SIGURD42 17:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, this is looking great, I'm going to make a few changes, but it's great to see so much work being put into this article. Cop 663 18:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your comments and your contribution and general clearing up of everything. I'm still learning how to go about doing things so sorry for any untidiness. I've added a citation for the one you removed from an MGM release so thats got to be OK now. In what cases should I use information form imdn then? SIGURD42 20:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDb is fine for basic cast and crew information, etc., but not suitable for most other stuff because it doesn't cite its. Cop 663 21:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, I see. Thanks for that, I'll keep that in mind. Seems like certain articles like Cast Away need some serious revising then. Anyways, I added my distribution section. I only talk about video releases though, I haven't mentioned its premiere or anything like that. SIGURD42 15:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Updates

message: The plot part is basically right, but only if you take everything the movie's characters claim for a fact. I have the feeling the director wanted that to be open to interpretation.
* The claim that Soglian has gone "insane" in the end is first made by her husband, the master of the house, after she has discovered Wife III (Meishan) has been murdered by the house's servants on his orders. It's a defensive allegation, so everything she might say to outsiders can be dismissed as mad ramblings. While Soglian is clearly disturbed and hopeless, she hasn't necessarily gone mad.
* Meishan is the one who suggests that Soglian's maid Yan'er and Wife II, Zhuoyun, are in league in plotting against Soglian. But Yan'er hates Soglian enough to be motivated entirely by self-interest. We'll also never know whether Zhuoyun really helped Yan'er create the "Voodoo doll" of Soglian - the maid may have lied, simply to make Soglian's life more miserable, or turn the two other women against each other. Meishan makes the claim that Zhuoyun tried to kill her unborn child, but again, all we have is allegations that might be based on hatred, mistrust and plotting. The one clue we get about Zhuoyun's true character is with the murder of Meishan, to which she is a willing accomplice.
I think this ambiguity is a great plot device and  essential for understanding the film.
92.230.15.131 (talk) 22:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "song" not "sog" and pronounced soong. Just fyi.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.160.86.56 (talk) 17:26, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some comments on the "Plot" section 

message: A thread in IMDb has a lot of Chinese witnesses who vouched that the film was never banned in China, and a number of them saw it in 1991. 121.7.189.234 (talk) 13:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you provide a link to the thread? As far as I understand, hardly any film is ever banned in China. Films may be banned from cinemas - i.e. simply not shown. However, about anything can be bought on DVD and of course downloaded on the net. Ok, the downloads are formally illegal - just like they are in Europe and the US, but the controls are less rigid than in Europe and the US - I think. Mlewan (talk) 16:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Banned in China?

message: * http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/the-best-10-movies-of-1992
* https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=FbAYBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA163&dq=%22raise+the+red+lantern%22+%22awards%22&hl=vi&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22raise%20the%20red%20lantern%22%20%22awards%22&f=false
*https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=HUXB0Iz1mHsC&pg=PA212&dq=%22raise+the+red+lantern%22+%22awards%22&hl=vi&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22raise%20the%20red%20lantern%22%20%22awards%22&f=false
*https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=5yDVLmfrynEC&pg=PA142&dq=%22raise+the+red+lantern%22+%22awards%22&hl=vi&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22raise%20the%20red%20lantern%22%20%22awards%22&f=false
*https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=XiaM2r0gx8cC&pg=PA34&dq=%22raise+the+red+lantern%22+%22awards%22&hl=vi&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22raise%20the%20red%20lantern%22%20%22awards%22&f=false
* https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=mN2NAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA88&dq=%22raise+the+red+lantern%22+%22awards%22&hl=vi&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22raise%20the%20red%20lantern%22%20%22awards%22&f=false
*https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=ZKaXcQKlBLEC&pg=PA316&dq=%22raise+the+red+lantern%22+%22awards%22&hl=vi&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22raise%20the%20red%20lantern%22%20%22awards%22&f=false
*https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=IxoaBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA204&dq=%22raise+the+red+lantern%22+%22awards%22&hl=vi&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22raise%20the%20red%20lantern%22%20%22awards%22&f=false
*https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=IxoaBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA204&dq=%22raise+the+red+lantern%22+%22awards%22&hl=vi&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22raise%20the%20red%20lantern%22%20%22awards%22&f=false
Simon (talk) 11:27, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top 20 films of 1992 

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