Talk:Village guard system

message: The unit was intended to be a counter terror unit, they cannot be defined by corruption etc. This is pov. All sources are non govermental including www.nwc.navy.mil which only has a collection of news articles. No primary sources what so ever. -- Cat chi? 07:50, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Added terrorists to who they are fighting against. I would like to get my hands on a document published by the Turkish Parliament in 1995 called "A report into unresolved political killings" (or something similar) as this is referenced in a number of my sources, but unfortunately can't find it on the internet. Perhaps with your Turkish contacts you will have more luck? - FrancisTyers 12:35, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.. I dont have many contacts, they are "boring" engineers anyways :). Ill look in to the matter. I know (and every one knows) not all villige guards were "good", that does not mean they were all "bad". Article establishes all villige guards as "bad", which isnt right. -- Cat chi? 03:04, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article no-where says that all village guards are bad, it explicitly says that "some" are bad. Which is true. I may try to make this more obvious. The idea of village guards was bad, the Turkish military said so, giving arms to unaccountable paramilitaries is a bad idea I think you'll agree. - FrancisTyers 11:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
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message: 10.5.1 The village guards are a civil defence force of more than 65,000 people. In April
1985 two articles were added to Village Law No. 442, and these permitted the
temporary creation of village guards in provinces under emergency rule. The
village guard system was implemented during 1985 and 1986 in order to provide
self defence for villages and support for local Jandarma. The official (July 2000)
regulations set out village guards’ duties as including the identification of people
who violate the rights, lives, property and safety of villagers, informing the village
headman and Jandarma of such people, and capturing them; informing the village
headman and Jandarma of news about the activities of those residents of the
village who have previous convictions, investigating the activities of suspected and
convicted people, and following up military absentees and draft evaders; and
taking all necessary precautions to protect, and avoid violations against, village
assets such as vineyards, gardens, drinking water facilities transformers, water
dams and waterways. Names of proposed village guards, having been identified
by the village council (village elders), are notified to the head official of the district
(kaimakan) by the village headman, and the head official approves them if he sees
fit.
10.5.2 Participation in this paramilitary militia is mainly voluntary, but the US State
Department Report 2000 observes that villagers face danger from both the PKK
and the Government when choosing whether or not to join the guard force. The
official (July 2000) regulations for village guards stipulates the conditions required
of a person to become a village guard, and these include not having served a
prison sentence for a crime, not having taken part in subversive, separatist and
reactionary activities, and being known as a good mannered person who does not
have a bad temper, who does not fight with anyone, and who is not a drunkard.
However, the US State Department report notes that village guards have a
reputation for being the least disciplined of the Government’s security forces, and
have been accused repeatedly of drug trafficking, rape, corruption, theft and
human rights abuses. It notes that inadequate oversight and compensation
contribute to this problem, and in some cases Jandarma allegedly have protected
village guards from prosecution.
10.5.3 The question of the extent to which membership of the village guards is voluntary
has been addressed by, among others, German administrative courts. A decided
case there (High Administrative Court Nordrhein-Westfalen, 22.1.00) found that
nobody is legally obliged to serve as a village guard. The judgement went on,
however, to say that in practice the total male population of a village is frequently
summoned or detained in order to force them to become village guards. The
security forces use this as a way of testing the loyalty of a village. These men are
left with the choice of their village being evacuated or of their being interrogated
and beaten at local police posts. If a person were detained and individually
reiterated his refusal, he would usually come under suspicion of supporting the PKK.
From  - FrancisTyers · 18:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that a more neutral aproach. I'd like more info on this "German administrative courts" since they dont exactly have juristiction over a matter in Turkey so normaly courts would decline such cases like how it happens with sealand. :/ -- Cat chi? 00:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: There is much of unsourced content here. If it doesn't get sourced in the next days I 'll remove it. The editor interested in weapons might want to consider the creation of an article "list of weapons used by Village Guards".Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:44, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have remove some content now. But there is still more unsourced content.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 02:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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message: Dear Konli17 u have done a minor edit in infobox at region section. There was already Turkey's borders in general, but you added also Turkey(Turkish) Kurdistan in region section. Thank you for this edit, although there is Turkey border regions mentioned, you made an extra extension. I think this is an unnecessary edit? Why do I think this is an unnecessary edit? there are two reasons. First briefly there is alreay BORDER regions of Turkey mentioned  in short and concise manner. Secondly, there was a little mistake, there are seven official Geographical regions of Turkey. The region you put on infobox Turkish Kurdistan (Kurdish: Bakurê which means Northern Kurdistan  Firstly this name is not official, Secondly this name is used by Northern Iraqi Kurds & Kurdish diaspora which centering Kurdish Iraq to call northern regions of Turkey with Kurdish inhabitants  Northern Kurdistan it include Diyarbakır & Batman, Turkey this metropol cities are 136 km away from border regions of Turkey, Thirtly these name is not officialy used by Turkish goverment Because first this unit with in the Turkish armed forces and belong to gendarmerie, also this unit within Turkey's the boundaries. That's why it's called the village guard system They protect the villages that are in the border regions by arming the local people.Apart from that, village guards living in Eastern Anatolia Region Southeastern Anatolia were interpreters in operations in Syria because they knew Kurdish very well. it is better we use official Geographical regions of Turkey such us Eastern Anatolia Region Southeastern Anatolia Region To give an example that you are doing something ridiculous like Peshmerga be located in southern Turkey Instead of Erbil or Suleymaniye.  I understand that you always want to emphasize the word "kurdish" Sometimes you overdo it, you do manipulation and ridiculous edits sir. Turkey borders written already there nevertheless, it did not seem very sincere to me as putting the name of Turkish Kurdistan in Turkish security unit located regions. 
I wish you have a nice dayCengizsogutlu (talk) 09:15, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That's interesting about the interpreters, I wondered about that. But according to this map, the village guards operate well away from the border. Konli17 (talk) 11:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: So all these provinces are "Bakure kurdistan"? plus this is outdated, even Black sea villages have village guards. Beshogur (talk) 11:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Black Sea areas away from the border? Konli17 (talk) 16:10, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you can add Ankara also in 'kurdistan' Shadow4dark (talk) 04:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe some day. You didn't answer my question. Konli17 (talk) 10:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Just call it Turkey for now. Shadow4dark (talk) 11:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't answer my question. Konli17 (talk) 14:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What we should call this and what is your compromise? Shadow4dark (talk) 14:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  @shadow4dark what do you think of "mainly" Turkish Kurdistan. The Village guards where established to counter the PKK in the villages in an area I guess is probably best described as Turkish Kurdistan in an article describing a predominantly Kurdish militia used to counter the Kurdistan Workers' Party. Show me an other area where they are active. @konli17 There is no mention of Village Guards in the Black Sea area in the article. The region could be described as areas with a Kurdish majority, too, but the short term for it would be Turkish Kurdistan.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 15:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Lets claim Kurdish Turkish conflict as PKK- TAF conflict then if we go into much detail one-sided view details... I told Turkish Kurdistan means Bakure in other words northern Kurdistan we are not Rudaw or Kurdistan24 newspaper website guys we are in international Encyclopedia. I told 2x There is official Geographical regions of Turkey. This unit also in Afrin border further in Armenian, Georgian and Nakhchivan border areas. You cant limit with Northern Kurdistan. I find it logical to remain location section in the boundaries of Turkey or Border regions of Turkey. If we are going to act with this logic claim Pesmerga located southern Turkey. Armed forces of Greece in Western Turkistan.. (lol btw) you guys exaggerate topics in a ridiculous way.. I don't know if you are doing this as a hobby but if i were at your place I will introduced the cultural things in the Kurdish regions in the encyclopedia. I wouldn't do twisting manipulation edits..Cengizsogutlu (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
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