Talk:Le Déjeuner sur l'herbe

message: The text is inconsistent as to whether the figure is modelled by Suzanne Leenhoff, and/or Victorine Meurent or Victorine Meurend, and whether the other figure is Ferdinand or Rodolfe Leenhoff.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.69.3 (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent names 

message: Several places in the article the female figure in the foreground is referred to as "nude". Is this not incorrect? One of the things that distinguishes this paiting from artworks that came before is that the female exudes self-confidence; she controls the viewer's gaze rather than being solely the subject of it. Naked implies this self-empowerment while nude suggests that the figure is weak. Maybe this is only a recent distinction in the art world, but it seems to me that the article runs the risk of being incorrect. Theshibboleth 08:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oddly enough, I'd view it just the opposite.  To me, naked implies exposed, bare to the world, fragile and without protection, while nude merely means without clothing.  When someone really exposes their inner self, you might say that they "bared their naked soul", but never their nude soul.    Basically, I always understood that naked could refer to much more than just a lack of clothing, but also a lack of protection, or a state of vulnerability.  I just made a quick look over at wiktionary, which tends to agree...  naked, which includes the definition of unprotected or unadorned, vs nude, which only has one alt definition, as a beige color.  --Reverend Loki 17:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I certainly agree with Reverend Loki, above.  In my opinion, but not only in my opinion, "nude" basically means wanting to and being comfortable with being unclothed, while "naked" means just the opposite, not wishing to be and not being comfortable being unclothed.Alpine Joy (talk) 00:51, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should "nude" be replaced with "naked"? 

message: Does anyone actually refer to this painting as "The Luncheon on the Grass"? I have never heard it called this before - only ever by its French title. DuncanHill (talk) 14:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have boldly gone and done it. DuncanHill (talk) 14:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: The "Works inspired by" section says that Annabella Lwin was 15 when the photo was taken.  However, the Bow Wow Wow article says she was 14.  Which is it? Paul Magnussen (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bow Wow Wow 

message: I'm writing a thesis where I would like to say that the nude figure was inspired both by V.Meurent and S.Leenhoff, and I looked everywhere, but realised I actually found that info on Wikipedia. Scholarly books say that the nude was solely inspired by Victorine Meurent. Can I know the sources that state that the nude was inspired by both? Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.15.175.46 (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd go with the books; I think the prevalent historical interpretation is that the model was Meurent. JNW (talk) 23:59, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I seem to remember Andrew Graham-Dixon chuntering on with this theory in a tv programme actually, but can't remember well.  Johnbod (talk) 03:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree - everything I've read indicates Victorine is the model...Modernist (talk) 03:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

text: No he was saying Mrs Manet was the model, or partly so. Johnbod (talk) 03:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: On page 169 of the Metropolitan Museum of Art catalog from it's major Manet retrospective in 1983 it says in no uncertain terms that the model was Victorine Meurent as well as Suzanne's brother as well as Manet's brothers. They go on to say that no one knows who the girl in the water was. A long discussion over 7 pages, including Proust talking about how when he and Manet were watching some women emerge from the water Manet decided to do nudes like Giorgione...concerning a smaller watercolor version they again assert Victorine Meurent was the model...Modernist (talk) 03:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work, Modernist--I've literally got that book next to me, but I'm working on something about John Henry Twachtman, so I haven't opened it. I do have a more recent publication, a book of essays on the painting edited by Paul Hayes Tucker from 1998, which also holds to the traditional reading of Meurent as the model. I suspect the Leenhoff theory is recent, per Johnbod's recollection. JNW (talk) 03:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Model for female figure

message: In the section Critiques of the subject matter, the reference to "Louis Etienne" needs to be more specific. Wikipedia lists nine men named Louis-Étienne (all first names and all hyphenated), eight of whom lived after 1861 and none of whom is noted to be an art critic. <B>☺</B> Dick Kimball (talk) 18:21, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Louis Étienne, Le jury et les exposants : salon des refusés (Paris, 1863), p. 30. I'll see if I can find the full name at the source. Coldcreation (talk) 19:02, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Here it is. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1141487. Seems Louis Étienne is full name. Coldcreation (talk) 19:07, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louis Etienne 

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