Talk:Zengid dynasty

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The first Turkish immigration from Asia Minor took place under the Byzantine emperors before the conquest of the country. The first purely Turkish town, Yenije-Vardar, was founded on the ruins of Vardar in 1362. After the capture of Salonica (1430), a strong Turkish population was settled in the city, and similar colonies were founded in Monastir, Ochrida, Serres, Drama and other important places. In many of these towns half or more of the population is still Turkish. A series of military colonies were subsequently established at various points of strategic importance along the principal lines of communication. Before 1360 large numbers of nomad shepherds, or Yuruks, from the district of Konia, in Asia Minor, had settled in the country; their descendants are still known as Konariotes. Further immigration from this region took place from time to time up to the middle of the 18th century. After the establishment of the feudal system in 1397 many of the Seljuk noble families came over from Asia Minor; their descendants may be recognized among the beys or Moslem landowners in southern Macedonia. At the beginning of the 18th century the Turkish population was very considerable, but since that time it has continuously decreased. A low birth rate, the exhaustion of the male population by military service, and great mortality from epidemics, against which Moslem fatalism takes no pre-cautions, have brought about a decline which has latterly been hastened by emigration
The Turkish rural population is found in three principal groups: 
*the most easterly extends from the Mesta to Drama, Pravishta and Orfano, reaching the sea-coast on either side of Kavala, which is partly Turkish, partly Greek. 
*The second, or central group begins on the sea-coast, a little west of the mouth of the Strymon, where a Greek population intervenes, and extends to the north-west along the Kara-Dagh and Belasitza ranges in the direction of Strumnitza, Veles, Shtip and Radovisht. 
*The third, or southern, group is centred around Kailar, an entirely Turkish town, and extends from Lake Ostrovo to Selfije (Servia). The second and third groups are mainly composed of Konariot shepherds. Besides these fairly compact settlements there are numerous isolated Turkish colonies in various parts of the country. The Turkish rural population is quiet, sober and orderly, presenting some of the best characteristics of the race. --Trwiki 10:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: I know Zengi himself began as Atabeg of Mosul, but is it correct to use "Atabeg" as the title for all Zengid rulers? john k 18:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They might have used the title atabeg even if they weren't anyone's atabeg in particular (Zengi, at least, used all sorts of flashy titles). However, ibn al-Qalanisi always refers to Nur ad-Din as "amir" and "son of the atabeg". It's probably better to call them emirs (and it's likely that I listed them all here as atabegs before I really knew what an atabeg was...) Adam Bishop 22:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shall we go with "Emir," then? john k (talk) 21:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah that's probably better. Adam Bishop (talk) 04:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: The word "Zangi" is Persian and means "black" or, in this case, "African". The dynasty took this name after gaining power in northern Africa. Rendering the term "Zengi" is due to the Turkish vocalic harmony. The founder of the dynasty, Aq Sunqur al-Hajib, did not carry that name. His son was the first to call himself "Zangi", meaning "the African".—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.144.211 (talk) 00:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When did they take power in Africa? Adam Bishop (talk) 01:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: Please find hereafter some coins of the Zengids. Feel free to insert them in the article. PHG (talk) 19:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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