Talk:James S. Sherman

message: The observation that Sherman was "the first incumbent Vice President to be renominated by a National Convention", while accurate, is the sort of bar trivia that misleads more than it enlightens. Out of the 20 elections prior to 1912 in which national conventions were employed, only in nine [eight] of them was the incumbent vice president actually passed over for someone else. In eight [nine] of them there was no incumbent vice president, either because the president had died in office (1844, 1852, 1868, 1884, 1904) or the vice president had (1856, [1876], 1888, 1900). In two more (1836, 1860) the incumbent vice president was running for president. In 1840, there was no nominee at all, though the incumbent vice president ended up the de facto running-mate. Iglew (talk) 23:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Edited because the first time I missed Henry Wilson, another VP who died in office. Iglew (talk) 23:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 'First Incumbent VP Renominated'

message: James S. Sherman was certainly related to Roger Sherman, signer of the Declaration, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution. And to Civil War general William Tecumseh Sherman. All three of them were descended from Henry Sherman (1512-1590), a prominent clothier in Dedham, Essex, England.
But neither Henry Sherman nor any of his descendants were armigerous, and the idea that Henry was traceably descended from armigerous forebears (or any traceable ancestors at all) was disproved in New Light on Henry Sherman of Dedham, Essex and Some Notes on His Descendants by Bertha L. Stratton (Staten Island, New York, 1954). Reiterating the evidence, Michael Johnson Wood writes in "The Early Shermans of Dedham, Essex, and Their Wives. Part 1: Henry Sherman the Elder and His Wives" (in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register 166:245, October 2012), "Henry Sherman the elder was not the son of that name of Thomas Sherman of Yaxley, Suffolk. That Henry, who was under age 21 in 1551, had a son Thomas who in 1587 was living in Diss, Norfolk, where his children were living in the early 1600s. In contrast, Henry Sherman the Dedham clothier was born about 1512, settled in Dedham about 1534, was fathering children in the 1540s, and was not survived by a son named Thomas. [...] The Shermans of Yaxley were armigerous, whereas the Shermans of Dedham were not; otherwise, they should have been recorded in at least one of the Visitations of Essex."
If it can be shown that Vice President Sherman considered these arms to be somehow "his" despite having no ancestral claim to them, then that personal eccentricity can be defensibly part of this page. If not, displaying this heraldry here is ahistorical. pnh (talk) 15:29, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Spurious "coat of arms" displayed on this page

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message: "Nicholas Murray Butler was designated to receive the electoral votes that Sherman would have received."  Why would Sherman have received electoral votes?  He wasn't running for president -- Taft was.  Or is this a strange way of saying that Butler was chosen (How?  By whom?) to replace Sherman as Taft's running mate?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.255.165.198 (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electoral votes