Talk:Sahlen Field

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message: It's great to see so much more content and attention being given to this article, most likely thanks the situation with the Blue Jays. Some suggestions, though, are to watch the organization and the overall detail of content. Right now this is a huge list of what seems like every event to ever happen at the ballpark, which really isn't appropriate for an article like this. Articles about venues like this should highlight certain major events that have happened in the facility and summarize the key tenants and their general history at the building. Right now, everything is listed chronologically, making it difficult to follow. Concerts should likely be their own subheading (common for most stadium and arena articles), highlighting some of the most prominent acts and performers to play there, rather than an entire schedule (avoid making a detailed table for every concert, though, which has been placed in many stadium articles). For the Bisons' summer concerts, for instance, those should be summarized as a whole, like the general years it has run and some of the most prominent acts to play in them over time; same for the other regular concerts that have been held there. Listing every year's performers is excessive detail (see WP:FANCRUFT and WP:SCOPE). There should also be a separate naming rights section since this park has had so many names in its history, plus a section for "other events" like the Wing festival and other baseball-related events like All-Star games. Key thing to remember in articles like this is the focus of the article: the ballpark, not every event to ever happen at the ballpark. "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Encyclopedias summarize knowledge, rather than try to contain all of it." --JonRidinger (talk) 02:59, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "Right now, everything is listed chronologically, making it difficult to follow." Read that back to yourself and hang your head. With stadiums I look to the gold standard of articles like Yankee Stadium...which are written like trash and have pages and pages of worthless information. For example, I doubt you want me to include 10 paragraphs on the dining room dimensions and food choices of the in-stadium restaurant. But I don't care about Yankee Stadium, so I'm trying to set an example by making a good-looking article with proper citations about something I *do* care about - major events, major music acts and notable baseball games are all that's included. I already received a barnstar from an admin earlier today. Good news for you - there's not much more juice that can be squeezed as far as new information on Sahlen Field, so it won't be getting much larger.TheNewMinistry (talk) 04:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with JonRidinger—the article could use some reorganization. I'd move away from the sections using the ballpark's past names, and move toward sections including, "Baseball", "Concerts", and "Other events". Group all the Bisons' info (top attendance, Triple-A All-Star Games, etc) in one section. In a concerts section, write a good paragraph each for the Bisons' post-game concerts and different radio station concerts. "Other events" could cover wrestling, the Goo Goo Dolls video, etc. Another useful section would be something like "The facility", which would cover the park's construction, renovations, etc. Sections such as these would make it easier for the reader to find what they're looking for. NatureBoyMD (talk) 12:46, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with . That's generally how stadium and other facility articles are organized instead of a chronological log of every event that has ever happened there. To , it's more a matter of organizing the info logically based on other articles and the general guidelines given at Wikipedia:WikiProject Event Venues/Sports task force. That's not to say your efforts to expand the article were in vain or unappreciated. The content and sources you added gives editors a lot to work with. If you want to see good examples of articles to emulate, the Yankee Stadium article isn't a good option as you have noticed. Instead, PNC Park and Herschel Greer Stadium (both FA-class), along with Progressive Field (GA-class) are ballpark articles to look at as those articles give a general idea of what the organization and scope for an article like this one should look like and have been through the evaluation processes to be rated "Featured" (FA-class) or "Good" (GA-class). Being properly cited is definitely a big part of making an article good, but it's not the only part by any means. See WP:BETTER. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:50, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Oooh those articles are pretty. I've took your advice and started reworking the article. I'll do something about the remaining long concert artist lists, but not sure what yet. I'm thinking maybe just list the headliners for the festivals, but I'm not sure if that information is available for every year - I'll have to dig deep. Thank you both for your help. TheNewMinistry (talk) 05:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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message: , I realized after I promoted this that I should have been doing spotchecks, so I have done a few checks now.  I came up with a couple of questions:
* FN 32 cites "The same design firm would later bring this concept to Major League Baseball with Oriole Park at Camden Yards." As far as I can see, the source says Pilot Field inspired Camden Yards, but it doesn't say this design firm had anything to do with it.
* FN 33 cites "The baseball field itself would feature a Kentucky Bluegrass playing surface and have dimensions that were designed to mirror those of pitcher-friendly Royals Stadium."  I don't see anything in the source about the grass or about Royals Stadium being pitcher-friendly.
* FN 79 cites "Buffalo was withdrawn as a candidate for the 1998 Major League Baseball expansion, and franchises were awarded to the Arizona Diamondbacks and Tampa Bay Devil Rays in March 1995."  The source confirms the new franchises but doesn't say Buffalo's candidacy was withdrawn.
* FN 167 cites "The venue has also hosted national music festivals. Budweiser Superfest took place at the venue on July 7, 1989." The source doesn't name the show as the Budweiser Superfest.
* FN 187 cites "The cozy field dimensions of 325 feet to left field and 371 feet to left-center aid the number of home runs hit in those directions."  The source only says it's hitter-friendly, and doesn't mention left field or left-centre.
* FN 206 cites "The Heritage Room also contains rotating exhibits of memorabilia that honor Buffalo's baseball history".  The source doesn't say the exhibits are rotated.
I checked FNs 52, 79, 102, 114, 123, 134, and 145 as well, so this is 5 out of 12 that aren't properly supported by the citations.  That's quite a big proportion.  Can you fix these and take a look through the other citations in the article, and let me know when you think it's ready for another spotcheck?  I really should have done this before promoting the article, so I apologize for the late notice on this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 14:25, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , just checking in to see if you've had a chance to look at these. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 20:59, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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