Talk:Jessie Matthews

message: Her parents were married 4 OCT 1896 in Church of St. John the Baptist, Gr. Marlborough St., London per family researchers. Questors 22:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: For some reason only an early, truncated version of my rationale for re-reverting this link seems to have gone into the page history, so I'd better expand briefly here:
Looking at  MrTradescant's contribution history to date (external links additions within a brief period all apparently pointing to the same blogsite) I can understand why these external links might be subject to a mass reversion; but this Jessie Matthews/Evelyn Laye article at least looks worth keeping. Apart from anything else it contains fascinating early photos which I have not seen anywhere else on the Web. 
The author states that the factual content is largely derived from Michael Thornton's biography of Miss Matthews, which is now out of print.
Igenlode (talk) 01:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Berwick Street and the rivals in love

message: (pasted from my discussion of this point with Rms125a@hotmail.com)
:Neither Thornton's biography nor the original newspaper reports that I have seen of the various legal cases in which she was involved appear to suggest that she was officially named Jessica rather than Jessie: in the contexts where full names are quoted she is "Jessie Margaret Matthews" at birth (Thornton, p17), then "Mrs. Jessie Margaret Lytton" ("Times" report of divorce proceedings, 22 Nov 1929 and 12 July 1930) and "Jessie Margaret Lytton, formerly Matthews" (Thornton, p103) at her wedding to Sonnie Hale, and finally "Mrs. Jessie Margaret Monro" at their divorce ("Times" legal column, 4 July 1944). None of the above prove that she wasn't a Jessica, but as 'John Robert Hale Monro' and 'Evelyn Elsie Monro' are given their full legal names in addition to the ones more familiarly used, one would expect Jessie Matthews to have received similar treatment if applicable.
:Thornton cites her reaction to her daughter's christening of her second child with the names "Jessica Sarah Jane" as being 'I suppose she couldn't quite bring herself to call her Jessie and use my own name" (Thornton, p306-7).
In the absence of a birth certificate (if one exists, Michael Thornton presumably had access to it) I feel that there is considerable doubt as to a birth name of "Jessica Matthews", and have reverted the article as it currently stands to use "Jessie" throughout.   (I am aware that the IMDb lists her birth name as Jessica, but its user-contributed content is not always entirely reliable on such points.) Igenlode (talk) 00:17, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jessie or Jessica 

message: (pasted from discussion with JohnClarknew)
There seems to be some confusion among different sources as to how many siblings she actually had. Matters are further confused by the fact that she had an elder sister who died in childhood, thus making her either the sixth or seventh child according to the system of reckoning used. I wrote:
:What Thornton's biography actually states is (p5) "Jane [Matthews] would have sixteen children in all, but only eleven of them would survive to maturity. This is the story of the seventh child."
:As one can note from the use of seventh rather than sixth here, her next  eldest sister Margaret died of diptheria, it is implied before Jessie was born. Thornton gives specific names and birthdates for only five of the following siblings -- Lena (1909), Eva (1911), Eddie (1916), Ray (a girl) (1917) and Harry (1919) -- meaning that four further unspecified babies must have died after Jessie's birth. I would guess from the gap in the cited dates that two or three of them probably came between Eva and Eddie in age, and I would guess also from the absence of any reference to the deaths that, like Margaret, they probably died at a very young age and never really 'interacted' with Jessie in the way of, for example, Lena and Eva with whom as a child she had to share a bed.
:(What Jessie Matthews herself states on the subject, while discussing her mother in her autobiography Over My Shoulder (p15), is "Her heart was big enough for all her children, and before she'd finished she had sixteen, although only eleven of us survived.")  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Igenlode (talk • contribs) 13:23, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently Harry, the youngest, had a stillborn twin sister, thus accounting for one of the 'missing' siblings...Igenlode (talk) 21:31, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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