Talk:Alphabetical order

message: These can be confused, sometimes deliberately...Myles325a (talk) 11:28, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ascending and descending order 

message: I find nothing - historic or modern - whither to collate Yogh.
The order of Maltese needs mentioning. They have G, Gh, double barred H, etc.
Nuremberg/Bavaria  -  Ángel.García2001  131.188.3.21 (talk) 21:10, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing: Middle English. Missing: Maltese 

message: I might be being too picky about this (as a Spanish teacher), but I have a small issue with the section that uses the example of Saints' names in Spanish.  In particular, it shows how names starting with "San" and "Santa" would be alphabetized.  However, one of the names on the list is "San Tomás," and as most Spanish speakers would say, the correct name is not "San Tomás" but rather "Santo Tomás."  Spanish has a rule whereby the title "santo" shortens to "san" before male names, except in cases where the name starts with "To-" or "Do-" (so we get Santo Tomás, Santo Toribio, Santo Domingo, etc.).  Source: http://blogs.molinodeideas.com/cometario/santo-o-san-una-explicacion-fonetica/
So having said all this, I was wondering if it would be okay to fix the list, either by changing "San Tomás" to "Santo Tomás" (and putting it in the right place on the list) or by changing the name Tomás to one that doesn't start with To- or Do-.  I mainly ask in case the list was taken straight from some source and thus has to be cited as-is...  Thanks!
--Andresg770 (talk) 21:32, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetical order examples: Spanish 

message: Romanian Wiktionary collates differently: â toward the end
https://ro.wiktionary.org/wiki/Categorie:Flexiuni_ale_verbelor_%C3%AEn_rom%C3%A2n%C4%83
Nuremberg / Bavaria -  Ángel.García2001 ~ ~ ~ ~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.156.58.102 (talk) 22:32, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanian 

message: "A rhyming dictionary is based on sorting words in alphabetical order starting from the last to the first letter of the word."
In some languages, this is viable, but not in English: "bomb", "comb" and "tomb" are not rhymes, but "comb" and "home" are. Is is not more appropriate to say that a rhyming dictionary could be constructed by sorting from the last phoneme of the word? In any case, it's not appropriate to suggest that all rhyming dictionaries are constructed in the way described. — 91.238.123.116 (talk) 14:46, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhyming dictionaries 

message: How is the case (A/a) of a character taken into account? Could this be added to the article please? Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 09:56, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casing of characters 

message: Can anyone offer any guidance (or references to relevant reliable sources) on the alphabetization of Dutch place-names beginning with "'s", such as 's-Hertogenbosch or 's-Gravenzande? Wikipedia is inconsistent on this. The List of populated places in the Netherlands (and its Dutch counterpart) group them all together under "s"; but the defaultsorts, and therefore the various categories in which the places appear, list them under the first main capital letter ("H" or "G"). GrindtXX (talk) 12:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch place-names 

message: In the article, there is an example of correct ordering, which says it's "baa, baá, báa, bab, báb, bac, bác, bač, báč". How come baá < báa, but bač > bác? That surely has to be a mistake! Michal Grňo (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  This happens because 'č' is treated as a completely different letter to 'c', rather than as a 'c' with an accent.  This is stated in the article, but clearly not clearly enough.  The explanation reads fine if one knows the jargon of collation. --RichardW57m (talk) 16:13, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech and Slovak 

message: Abbreviations like "St.", "Mt." sort like they were written in full as "Saint", "Mount" in my atlas. Perhaps the current subsection "Mac prefixes" could be extended to include this too. I am not the right person to do this, so I am putting this here. 212.178.135.35 (talk) 11:50, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subsection "Mac prefixes" could be extended to "abbreviations". 

message: In the German example, Ärgerlich is sorted before Arg. In English, the shorter word is placed first in such cases; does German have a rule that the longer word is placed first? Or is something else going on in that example? TooManyFingers (talk) 08:12, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  German, long words and short words 

message: So, the history sections seems to forget to mention where the ordering seen in phoenician, greek, etc. came from. It just starts saying "so we started organizing libraries this way, you know, according to the order we have". I had to go all the way to History of the alphabet#Letter names and order to see that information anywhere, which is rather unreasonable. I'll take a swing at this later if no one  else does Remsense留 01:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section missing any history