Talk:Black Widow (Natasha Romanova)

message: It says that Ant-man is responsible for saving her. However I thought it was Ghost who saved her while Ant-man hid in a vent watching it all unfold?--136.142.46.33 (talk) 20:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dark Reign (Thunderbolts)

message: In recent storylines, Romanova's childhood memories of ballet were written to be false, implanted. Does she still know ballet now? Has she used ballet in the comics at all? Or should this be removed as one of her powers?
Ragdoll 21:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ballet Dancer

message: The latest edit claims that Natasha is now deceased.  Yet from the text itself it would seem that it is Yelena who died.  I would rather not make the correction because I am not certain. Luis Dantas 05:56, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know who made the Natasha claim. I'll make the fix since it was Yelena who got melted into goo in New Avengers Annual. Nice catch.--Tenebrae 14:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deceased

message: it's a problem with my browser(!) or the 'born' and 'relatives' tag in comicbox NOT appears (even if available)? strange.. --88.149.169.237 19:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  comicbox fault? 

message: I believe this article should be split into two: Black Widow (Natasha Romanova) and Black Widow (Yelena Belova) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gonzalo84 (talk • contribs) 11:36 September 23, 2006  (UTC)
===Survey===
:I think it's possible, but as both Black Widows were more or less designed by the same program for the same purpose, I think it's fine if Yelena Belova stays where she is. She has such a short history that it doesn't seem she'd warrant her own page. —Ragdoll 01:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Ragdoll by the same reasons. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 02:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep as one article - ditto. If Yelena Belova returns in some form and there's more to say about her, it might make sense to split. For the moment, I think this makes more sense as just one page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrph (talk • contribs) 1 October 2006.
I'm on the fence because Belova played a role in New Avengers with her new Super Adaptoid powers. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 06:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Split

message: :I think it's possible, but as both Black Widows were more or less designed by the same program for the same purpose, I think it's fine if Yelena Belova stays where she is. She has such a short history that it doesn't seem she'd warrant her own page. —Ragdoll 01:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Ragdoll by the same reasons. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 02:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep as one article - ditto. If Yelena Belova returns in some form and there's more to say about her, it might make sense to split. For the moment, I think this makes more sense as just one page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrph (talk • contribs) 1 October 2006.
I'm on the fence because Belova played a role in New Avengers with her new Super Adaptoid powers. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 06:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Closed with a decision to keep as one article - although it might be worth revisiting this if/when Yelena Belova is revived for further appearances. --Mrph 21:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Decision

message: Although it is confirmed that Hilary Swank will appear in the Iron Man movie of 2008, no news source has yet confirmed who Swank will play? Should we jump to this conclusion that quickly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.172.27 (talk • contribs) 
:This encyclopedia will be here a long, long time. We can wait a few days to put in concrete, confirmed, verifiable info. Also, please sign your posts. Thanks. --Tenebrae 15:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: Punisher/Black Widow: Spinning Doomsday's Web appears to be mentioned twice, in Publication History and in Miniseries and Specials. Was this intentional?
Jeffrywith1e (talk) 15:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Punisher/Black Widow: Spinning Doomsday's Web''

message: Has she been confirmed as a skrull? She has green eyes, but she attacked the skrull queen. Confused.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doeswhateveraspidercan666 (talk • contribs) 11:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Skrull?

message: The two Widows exist in parallel, one is not the other's successor, plus Belova is now on Thunderbolts. There should be two articles.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree - as it is clear she is going to have a long term role in Thunderbolts it makes sense to split this off to Black Widow (Yelena Belova). (Emperor (talk) 00:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been thinking about this as well since reading TB #128, and I concur. BOZ (talk) 02:59, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Any more opinions before we close this? (Emperor (talk) 14:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Split done. (Emperor (talk) 14:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Split revisited

message: In the late 1980s, NBC aired three television movies that were sequels to the CBS series The Incredible Hulk. The first two each featured an adaptation of one other Marvel Comics character, Thor and Daredevil respectively. The third was initially announced as involving She-Hulk, but what aired had something else entirely. The Death of the Incredible Hulk (1990) featured a woman, played by Elizabeth Gracen, who was forced, by threats against her captive sister, to carry out espionage missions for a foreign power, usually while wearing a black body suit. The article here gives a little bit of the early background of the Black Widow, then describes what is admitted to be a "retconned" origin for her, no details of the initial one. What I have always understood that to be was very similar to what happens with this film's character, Jasmin: The person from whom she gets her assignments and who she knows only by a code name—no face to face meeting—turns out to be the aforementioned sister, a revelation that allows her to quit and run away. In the original comics, as I understand it, Natasha Romanoff ("Natalia Romanov" is itself a retcon, isn't it? If so, shouldn't that—and the first origin in any event—be in the article?) had her husband's life held against her, and her costumed (including mask) and code-named "control" is eventually revealed to be her husband, giving her the freedom to defect. Unless I have been badly misled about the comics character, the parallels/resemblances between Jasmin and the Black Widow are too close to pass off as coincidence, especially given the fact and specific nature of Marvel Comics' involvement in the project. This film's titular event (the Hulk's death) comes out of left field in the closing minutes, strongly indicating a late-in-the-proverbial-day rewrite. Incidentally, my source for the She-Hulk's intended but aborted involvement (and there was an approximately three month delay of the film at that point) is Comics Scene magazine's "Comics Reporter/Comics Screen" column, and none of the few issues I retain from this era contain an entry for the Widow at all, i.e., this staff had no information that her TV/film rights were in somebody else's hands at this time. Does any Black Widow fan have a citable source that this script was developed to feature Natasha, then for whatever reason had her nominally written out and the new title and what it describes added on? I put this question forward on the movie's talk page quite some time ago, but no response there. Again, anybody here? --Ted Watson (talk) 20:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Widow intended in ''Death of Hulk'' telefilm? 

message: Hi. I'm not that skilled, otherwise I'd do it myself. I think it would be better tu set up a disambiguation between the Marvel character and the spider. Actually, typing "Black Widow" in the search engine jumps directly to the spider.--Webwizard (talk) 08:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't - it goes to the disambiguation page from both Black Widow and black widow. There is no need for a hatnote from here to there following WP:NAMB and we have a set index for the name in comics: Black Widow (comics), so I think we have the bases covered (if I've not misunderstood the question - it wouldn't be the first time ;) ). (Emperor (talk) 14:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wierd. I tried again and this time goes correctly to the disambiguation page. Probably a ghost in the machine. I'll call Dr. Egon Spengler to fix it....--Webwizard (talk) 11:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: Is it me, or did Black Widow was captured by Osborn in two different ways in three different comic books during the same period of time. First, she was helping Hill and was captured by Hammer. Second, she was captured while helping Songbird by Thunderbolts. What's up with being captured twice.--RossF18 (talk) 17:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capture by Osborn 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Oppose The Marvel site gives her name as "Black Widow (Natasha Romanova)"  Chaosdruid (talk) 22:35, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: In the OHOTMU, the two are used "Black Widow (Natasha Romanoff)" or "Black Widow (Natasha Romanova)" --Crazy runner (talk) 06:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I believe the "in other media" section has enough info to be split into a new article.71.162.100.157 (talk) 20:31, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't really once you remove all the plot cruft.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 22:36, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split? 

message: I don't see anywhere in the page explaining about hypnosis; update it.
AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 20:01, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hypnosis 

message: I clearly remember her having the ability to climb walls the entire time she was dating Hawkeye, and during her encounter with Spider-Man when she decided to change to the now-familiar black suit.  In fact Spidey was quite startled by the fact that she seemed to have the same powers he did.  Mind you, it's been so long since she's done that I'd forgotten until reading the powers section just now.  Can she no longer do that?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetrellan (talk • contribs) 01:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aren't you forgetting a power? 

message: For any editors concerned, there is a proposed moved at the disambiguation page Black Widow. If you have anything to add to the discussion, please do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Black_Widow#Proposed_move Weebro55 (talk) 03:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move at Black Widow. 

message: This is just a notice that there is a draft for Black Widow at Draft:Black Widow (upcoming film) until such time that it is ready for inclusion in the mainspace. All are welcome to come help nurture the article's development there. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:00, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft for Black Widow (film) 

message: I think there needs to be more depth to the section on other media she is in. Such as specific episodes she has appeared in. Also possibly go into depth about the discrepancies between the film or television shows versus the comics. Talk about the reception of her character in film and video games more in the reception section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.206.151 (talk) 16:36, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
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message: Should it be of any interest to include in the "other media" section that Black Widow's surname was incorrectly spelled "Romanoff" (instead of Romanova) in the MCU films? --Daerun (talk) 10:43, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not incorrect in the sense you're talking about. The name "Romanova" has only been assigned to her very recently; for the vast majority of the character's published history she was called "Natasha Romanoff". The trouble is that "Romanoff" is a man's name; apparently the folks working at Marvel at the time of her creation, like most non-Russians, were ignorant of the fact that Russian last names each have a masculine and feminine form. Decades later, they retconned her last name to the feminine form. This is an issue that really should be discussed under "Publication history" and at least mentioned in the lead, not just "other media". Sadly, right now all the article has is an apparently fan-devised in-universe explanation, and I have yet to come across any good reliable sources covering the issue.--NukeofEarl (talk) 20:42, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: The "Collected editions" table includes a column with no heading label and only one entry, that spans the last two rows of the column. It is not clear what the number "136" is supposed to mean here. Could someone please explain what this is supposed to mean and improve the table to include some context. -- 37.110.218.43 (talk) 10:43, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
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