Talk:Military in Vatican City

message: Corsican guard links back to this page  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.149.121 (talk) 21:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: :Why article talking telegraphically? This should really be military of the Vatican City. In 'Vatican City', Vatican is an adjective (elsewhere it modifies 'hill', as in 'the Vatican Hill'); here, it modifies the noun 'city', which, being singular and countable, must have a determiner (in this case, the definite article). In a similar way we can call Rome 'the Eternal City'. In other words, this is not a parallel situation to 'Kuwait City' or 'Oklahoma City' or 'Mexico City', where we have two nouns and there is no article. In the latter situation, the first noun effectively acts as a determiner, as does 'hotel' in 'Hotel California', 'lake' as in 'Lake Como', or 'mount' as in 'Mount Vesuvius'. No less importantly, 'Vatican City' sounds unnatural and staccato, while 'the Vatican City' comes naturally. Q·L·1968 ☿ 16:21, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Having seen no objection in the past two months+, I'll proceed to move the article from Military of Vatican City in line with normal grammatical English. Q·L·1968 ☿ 20:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: Corsican Guard link loops to the same page.
Need a page for Corsican Guard!
76.171.210.251 (talk) 09:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Feed back loop

message: (1) Corps of Gendarmerie of Vatican City says:
"Security in Vatican City is also provided by the Pontifical Swiss Guard, a military unit of the Holy See, not Vatican City State."
and (2) List of countries without armed forces says:
"The Swiss Guard is a unit belonging to the Holy See, not the Vatican City State. There is no defense treaty with Italy, as it would violate the Vatican's neutrality."
but (3) Pontifical Swiss Guard says:
"The Corps of the Pontifical Swiss Guard or Swiss Guard (Ger: Schweizergarde, Ital. Guardia Svizzera Pontificia, Lat. Pontificia Cohors Helvetica or Cohors Pedestris Helvetiorum a Sacra Custodia Pontificis) ... is a small force responsible for the safety of the Pope, including the security of the Apostolic Palace. It serves as the military of Vatican City."
and then (4) Military of Vatican City is not certain and accepts the possibility of both sides of the question:
"[I]ts military defense is provided by Italy.  Vatican City does have a mercenary unit of Swiss Guard. It is a small force responsible for the safety of the Pope, including the security of the Apostolic Palace and access to the entrances to the city-state. Its official language is Swiss German. It serves as the de facto if not de jure  military of Vatican City."
Also, (5) the Military of Europe portal links to this page re the Vatican:
Do we know whether the Pontifical Swiss Guard is in fact the military of (A) the Holy See or (B) the Vatican City State? Eagle4000 (talk) 04:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Swiss Guard the military of the "Holy See" or of the "Vatican City""? 

message: To quote:
"The State of the Vatican City lies entirely within Rome, the capital of Italy. Therefore, its military defense is provided by Italy."
Although at first glance this may make sense, it seems to be a bit presumptuous. Simply because the Vatican City's boundaries lie within the another countries, and indeed another city's boundaries does not automatically assume "Therefore"[sic] it is protected by that country.
It would be similar to saying: "Lesotho's military defense is provided by South Africa"
121.215.2.225 (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Assumptions of Logic

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message: Oppose - such a merge would make no sense. (1) "Military of..." is a standard article type for military forces; and (2) the Swiss Guard is only one part of the historic Vatican military. Certainly the article could do with expanding, especially in relation to history, but it should continue to exist. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 18:02, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge with [[Pontifical Swiss Guard]]

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