Talk:The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny

message: Honestly, does this really need it's own page? It's was a popular flash, but it barely fits the criteria for a wikipedia article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Big Boss Inc. (talk • contribs) 11:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I must agree. This is one of those videos that became popular and did spread quickly through the web2.0 folks but it's surely nothing unique. New videos of this sort pop up constantly and at most they might deserve one article where each one has a small section. Devoting an entire page and trying to justify it with digging up all kind of random popculture references is just lame. Even if this article technically would fill all the notability requirements I would still vote for delete. This video is just about as worthy of an article than MrHands. --piksi (talk) 20:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

text: amen Yippee12345678910 (talk) 14:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: The reference in Destroy all humans 2 is indeed genuine. Is there potential for a reference in popular culture section or are they too few and far between?
:sign your posts. XM8 Carbine (talk) 09:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference in Other Media

message: I was playing through Destroy All Humans 2 and reached Takoshima heights. I jumped across to the island opposite the tokyo tower lookalike and started fighting three ninjas. While I was PKing one and the others were circling me, I clearly heard a ninja yell "Ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny!" The wording and delivery was much too perfect to be mere coincidence. Can someone verify that?
ComedyonStilts 03:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference in other media

message: This article really needs to be cleaned up and expanded if it ever is gonna become a good article though how exactly that should be done is beyond me since I don't know what information would be helpful to the article.  Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 20:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I significantly cleaned up the information that was already present, but quite honestly I don't know that there is much more to add. It pretty much says it all. Good articles aren't always necessairly lengthy. As long as it covers the information out there, that is all that can be done. --Naha|(talk) 08:29, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I guess we can only expand it so much but at least it's easier to read now that you cleaned it up.  Thanks. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 14:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  My pleasure, I love this video/song :) --Naha|(talk) 23:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs cleaning up and expanding 

message: We can't have the lyrics since putting the lyrics up would be a copyvio (don't ask me how other sites don't get sued for it) so I have removed the lyrics section. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 06:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not know the exact reasoning but I know for a fact discussins have taken place and lyrics do not fall under what we can add to an article due to copyright issues.  If you search around a little bit you can probably find the discussions and I'll see if I can scroung e up where it's wirten down. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 22:50, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  regarding the lyrics 

message: I moved them here.
Lyrics
[removed copyright violation]
External Links:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/28526
Note: about 3 or 4 fighters, who are not mentioned in the lyrics but do appear in flash, were pointed out by other Wikipedians; but when the article was deleted, I couldn't remember some of them (the total added up to 46, now it only adds up to 42.) If anyone knows what those 4 were, say so here.
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--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk)Contributions Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 10:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just removed them from the article again. While excerpts of the lyrics are okay for commenting on specific bits of them, including the entire song like this is stretching fair use a bit. Wikipedia shouldn't contain entire source texts anyway. Bryan 16:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, we can justify using small snippets but nowhere on Wikipedia can we use lyrics and that's generally understood. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 20:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong. We can use in articles about public domain works. Which is fairly few, but they do exist. 169.139.190.6 19:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, not wrong. We can legally put the entirety of a public domain work into a Wikipedia article, sure, but there are constraints other than simple legal issues at work here. We're trying to write an encyclopedia article and verbatim copies of large bodies of source material like this are inappropriate for that (I'd make an exception for source material that was only a paragraph or two long in total but this particular case is way over that threshold). Verbatim copies of public domain source material is what Wikisource is for. Bryan 23:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm curious as to where in the flash Dudley Do-Right and Snidely Whiplash are - I've looked through a couple times in the area where they claim to be shown (Before the Samuel L Jackson appearance) and see nothing of them. Also at the end of the pan down that street in the same scene, it appears that Clark Kent is the one punching the "Judohobo"? 12.75.106.71 02:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics

message: Although the pictures shows only five, the song says every single power ranger fights. Shouldn't it be listed that way in the article? BethEnd 17:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: power rangers

message: I personally don't think that Robin should be included in the table, as he doesn't take part in the fight. However, if people think he should be in the table;
* He should appear between Aaron Carter and Abraham Lincoln.
* The man representing civilians should be included as well.
Thoughts? Objections? --Billpg 12:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I don't think he's really neccessary.  He wasn't part of the showdown. Dac 08:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of Robin in table? 

message: Do we really need to link to every cover and parody we can find?--Agent Aquamarine 23:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see linking to the cover and remix, since they are actually on Lemon Demon's site...and since so far there is only one parody, it probably isn't that big of a deal to list it.  - EmiOfBrie 07:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the remix is on Aaron Ackerson's site, but I see what you're getting at. And there are other parodies out there, I could've sworn more were listed earlier. Perhaps I'm mistaken.--Agent Aquamarine 06:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I got the remix from LD's site, I didn't follow the link from Wiki....  LD must have approved and added it at some point  *heh*  -- EmiOfBrie 01:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Covers and Parodies

message: It is not Mr Rogers dancing at the end, it is the civilian seen earlier in the movie holding an ice cream.
I'll have to watch the cartoon again when I get home, but I think you're wrong. And please sign your posts.--Agent Aquamarine 13:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I just rewatched it, and that's definitely Rogers. How do I know this? Well, for one, he looks nothing like the kid. For two, Rogers is the only one who stabbed himself in the torso with a sword, so he's the only one who can have gallons of blood shooting out of his chest.--Agent Aquamarine 23:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mr Rogers

message: Am I the only one who finds it odd that this article on a flash cartoon seems to be longer than the one on The Republic of Congo?--Agent Aquamarine 13:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia's content reflects the interests of its readers. However, also bear in mind that the article you point to is a very general overview, with most of the "meat" of the article split off into sub-articles such as History of the Republic of the Congo, Politics of the Republic of the Congo, Economy of the Republic of the Congo, etc. Perhaps once we start seeing analogous articles such as History of the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny we can start getting worried. Until then the situation may not be quite as skewed as it seems at first glance. :) Bryan 23:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wow.

message: A google search turns up nothing for this guy, and he's not mentioned in any of the Invader Zim articles. I honestly don't remember him ever having a name, but I do remember him looking almost totally different. I'm removing his mention, feel free to contest.--Agent Aquamarine 23:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DA CONE?

message: Wow, why is there even an article on this thing? What a joke. Wikipedia, for shame...70.50.95.33 20:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ?! 

message: I looked at the animation frame-by-frame (quite easy for anyone to do) during the part in question and the DeLorean vanishes before leaving the screen. It cannot have hit Mario or Sonic. Jinxmchue 19:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if "only one will survive" and the winner was Mr. Rogers, then both Mario and Sonic (along with everyone else) must have died.  Cut and dry.  Useight 23:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No more speculation on deaths of Mario and Sonic, please 

message: Mr. Rogers did not commit Seppuku. He simply impaled himself with his sword; he didn't go through the required process of Seppuku. Seppuku requires stabbing ones self in the left side of the abdomen at a level equal to the naval. Next, bringing the sword across to the right side of the abdomen; then turning the cutting edge of the sword 90 degrees to be facing up, and bringing the sword up to just below the collarbone. Removing the blade, and then stabbing ones self again in the center of the abdomen at a level equal to the top of the other vertical slash, and slicing all the way down until one reaches the waist. Finally, one must remove the sword and stab ones self in the jugular. That is Seppuku; all Mr. Rogers did was impale himself. -- THL 07:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seppuku 

message: I believe the reference for Samuel L. Jackson to be wrong. His character in the animations is not the one from the movie Snakes on a Plane, but Derrick Vann from the movie [The Man]. In these two frames you can see the match.
Possibly but the snakes then attack him, which would suggest it was from snakes on a plane. The similarity between the two frames you show could easily be coincidence, but I fail to see how the snakes could be coincidence - 172.201.232.13 16:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong reference 

message: There is a parody of this, "The Ultimate Orgy of Homosexuality", but I'm not sure it even warrants a mention. –Xoid 12:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Parody

message: This is a short song; do we need to list every fighting detail? It's a bit copyright infringey. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 10:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Need Moar. 88.96.135.14
I also agree, although I don't believe it would qualify as copyright infringement. If we were to include a list of any kind for something like this, it should not take up 5 times the space of the regular information. Wikipedia:NOT#STATS --David Gardner  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.243.75 (talk) 00:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we really need the tables? 

message: As there has been some disagreement on which role Samuel.L.Jackson represents, I want to know which roles Chuck Norris and Jackie Chan represent! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.4.59.97 (talk) 20:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chuck Norris and Jackie Chan 

message: Another discussion point would be the lyric "every single power ranger". The reason being that several series' of "Power Rangers" are currently available and are supposed to co-exist in different realities making it impossible for every single power ranger to be present. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.4.59.97 (talk) 20:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, no. Second: every Power Rangers series takes place in the same universe. It's Sentai's series' that don't.  ---SilentRAGE! 21:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  well, RPM and Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie both take place in alternate timelines, which could be considered different universes. Though that doesn't really matter, given the crossoverish nature of the song to begin with 208.110.180.94 (talk) 23:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

text:  just realized at the time of your post RPM hadn't come out yet. oh well 208.110.180.94 (talk) 00:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power Rangers 

message: Should there be a (short, I Imagine) section listing the survivors? Tar7arus 16:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survivors list?

message: The list of combatants says that there is a dead xenomorph (the thing from 'Alien') in the pile of bodies, however I looked for it and it simply is not there. Esteemedleader 15:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Xenomorph? 

message: Someone nominate this for deletion please, it doesn't deserve its own article. A redirect at most methinks. 91.108.233.246 (talk) 11:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the prior discussions at the head of the page.  Colonel Warden (talk) 16:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion 

message: he may have been killed by snakes, but the movie 'snakes on a plane' was not released until more than a year after USoUD, so his death can't be a reference to the movie.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.63.227.14 (talk) 00:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was plenty of internet buzz about the movie well before it was released. Samuel Jackson's pose was a reference to a well-known fake poster for the film. Thus, it's obviously a reference to the film. Hellbus (talk) 02:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  sam jackson 

message: Is there consensus to redirect this page? It really should be discussed before doing so, as at this point, people are reverting each other. Law type! snype? 08:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the argument against, then? As I've stated, the page is largely composed of original research. Both the "Showdown participants" and "Influences" sections are completely unsourced and have no justification for inclusion on Wikipedia, and without these, the remaining content would form little more than a stub, which should be merged into the Neil Cicierega article, which is rather lacking in itself. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 16:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The work itself is the implicit source for material such as the appearance of Godzilla.  Listing the dramatis personae is not original research. Colonel Warden (talk) 05:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How is any of it significant, though? Where are the independent sources to show the real-world context of all these otherwise non-notable details? For example, how is the fact that Godzilla's "Tail can be seen sticking out from behind some buildings in the final camera pan." significant? Merely appearing in a notable work does not necessarily make any of these characters notable by themselves; see WP:NRVE. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The editor who added this detail considered it significant.  The article gets 15-20,000 hits per month which indicates a significant readership for these details.  The consensus at AFD was to keep the article.  WP:NRVE is not relevant as it states, "These notability guidelines only outline how suitable a topic is for its own article. They do not directly limit the content of articles.".  Colonel Warden (talk) 17:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, readership details do not justify the inclusion of content on Wikipedia; Wikipedia's content is based on policies and guidelines, in which I highly doubt you'll find anything relating to the significance of readership. Secondly, if the editor(s) who added the material have any current views on its inclusion, then they can voice their opinions themselves; an arbitrary claim by you that they "considered it significant" is little more than putting words into their mouths. Thirdly, yes, there was a consensus at the last AfD of over a year ago, but there were also numerous calls for "clean up" with claims like "the massive tables add nothing to the understanding of the subject", "the article contains a load of really unnecessary OR trivia at the moment", etc.. At best, the table should be cut down to a much briefer summary which only states the significant points of the animation's plot, not every minor piece of trivia which independent sources are bound not to cover. Furthermore, the Influences section is completely unverified and not in-universe, so should be entirely removed per WP:OR. Frankly, I fail to see, even after that, how this article will pass WP:N with its five or so reliable, secondary sources. The Neil Cicierega article is lacking in itself, so I don't see the need for this glorified stub to be separate from that article right now. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  My mention of readership is in response to your mention of the concept of significance.  Significance is not, I gather, covered by our policies and guidelnes and our notability guideline specifically says that we do not consider the importance of topics when deciding whether to include them.  In considering significance we therefore fall back upon common sense for which readership seems relevant.  Also, note that readers may also become editors.  In my case, it was this particular article which turned me from a reader into an active editor.  I noticed an AFD template upon the article, considered this to be an outrageous proposal and here we are. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Like common sense itself, that's just completely arbitrary. We base articles on neither the appeal they may have to potential editors nor arbitrary readership statistics, but their subjects' coverage in reliable, secondary sources, the existence of which must be verified. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an arbitrary collection of facts, and we do not base anything on subjective perceptions of "significance" or "importance". To say that "15-20,000 hits per month" equates to notability, and is therefore justification to keep content, is completely in ignorance of the fundamental concept of verifiability, which, per WP:OR, is the only thing that justifies the inclusion of content. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 19:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is quite easy to verify that Godzilla's tail sticks out as described.  Citations are only required for controversial matters, not obvious facts like that.  Colonel Warden (talk) 19:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's insignificant; the importance of each character's manner of death certainly isn't reflected in the provided secondary sources, so what is the justification to list them all here? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 01:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Really, in the case of a short flash movie a click away, do you actually need sources?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.118.183.40 (talk) 10:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: More importantly, why does it need a completely indiscriminate list of every minor, trivial event that happens in the animation? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 15:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultimate_Showdown_of_Ultimate_Destiny&action=history
The Ultimate Orgy should have it's own section but I guess it's kinda pointless to try writing it considering how hard it is to keep a simple external link. I don't understand it, it's a brilliant parody, it has five million views on NG and it's actually better made than the original, no need to comment how good the song is, the animation is also better, while the original has 2694 frames at a rate of 12fps with a big use of motion tweenings, The Ultimate Orgy has better graphics with the animation being done more frame by frame, it has 4418 frames at a rate of 16fps. So, what's the problem with an external link? Anarchistificationer86
:Gune keeps reverting for no reason. If you look at his talk page, you can see he got warned and blocked twice for breaking the 3RR. Anarchistificationer86  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.118.182.241 (talk) 04:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ultimate Orgy 

message: Bat Cave, used to say Robin, now says Riddler, which is it? (talking bad grammer in rush) 174.16.194.34 (talk) 21:28, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robin or Riddler? 

message: Why isn't there a mention of who is punching the judohobo?  Looking through the talkpage, someone mentioned it could be Clark Kent, but it doesn't seem definitive that that's who it is. However, something should be mentioned in the article, even if it's 'unknown character punching judohobo,' for the sake of completeness.  --Stevehim (talk) 07:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing characters 

message: Is this huge chart really necessary?  I mean what purpose does it serve?  If you actually care enough to analyse how each character dies in a flash video, watch the damn video.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by NexCarnifex (talk • contribs) 23:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone ought to put together a Warbox for this... Wardog (talk) 20:33, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart 

message: The 2021 Redux section should be put into a new category for other versions alongside the 2017 version (which it seems to use the audio of).  Neither are significant enough to merit their own sections, but together can fill out a new category.  I would do this myself but am not familiar enough with Wikipedia style at the present to be able to properly do so.  If nobody else does it, I may eventually return if I learn the syntax. Edited by james (talk) 11:37, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Other versions” section 

message: here are the lyrics if you wanna do karaoke 2003:E8:735:400:C48F:2579:5206:FB6A (talk) 16:07, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics