Talk:Baal teshuva

message: But more about Kiruv talking about those people who are responsible for the Baaly Thsuvas. and now that they have their own article see Orthodox Jewish Outreach it gets re-routed there.--יודל 14:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done--יודל 21:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most of the article is not about the Baal Tshuvas 

message: The best way is to have everything here but to have it as a  Wikipedia:Disambiguation: 
*Orthodox Jewish outreach that deals with Orthodoxy's roles, organizations and rabbis.
*Repentance in Judaism which is the clearest and most logical place for any discussion of teshuva and what a baal teshuva is or is not in Judaism and Jewish law.
*Baal teshuva movement is about the modern movement that deals with Jews from all over the world and from all walks of life and from all strata of societies returning to their (Jewish) heritage and roots and to Orthodox Judaism as well.
Thank you, IZAK 12:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Baal teshuvah movement is too much for a header before the term Baal teshuvah itself. as the above discussion, This is just like making the human article into a Disambiguation for Human nature and human movement. First we need an article on the term Baal Thsuvah then we can discuss the phenomena and the motivators and the movement and so on, even million articles this does not take away the need for one article on the subject of Baal Tshuvah.--יודל 14:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A Baal teshuva can be anyone not just the people of the 1960s and 1970s etc. A Baal teshuva is a Halachik description of any Jew who does teshuva in any age or place or time (repentance and return to God and that is best handled in Repentance in Judaism its natural and correct place to be), as described in Rabbeinu Yonah's textbook for teshuva the Shaarei Teshuva and as the RAMBAM codifies it in Hilchos Teshuva in his definitive Mishneh Torah, and indeed it is well known that in Judaism, King David was considered to be the greatest Baal teshuva of all time, there are many other examples, so it's a huge mistake to limit or think of hijacking the term of Baal teshuva and use it just for secular people who become religious, because that would be false. The term Baal teshuva is too broad and while the article was around for a while as it was, there has always been the need to clarify and expand the matter which I have now done. I do not get what you are complaining about as I have done you and everyone a great favor! IZAK 15:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No article is too broad, and especially it cannot be used as reason to make it into a disambiguation. There is a special section called see also where the readers and the writers can be sent to the different more broader aspects of it. No article can be hijacked, this is now an article. It was. And it should stay, unless reason prevails that somehow it being an article is a hijacking of its meaning to limit it to a 1 term only half of its use, which isn't the case yet. The article is open to edit freely for everybody, 2 users have tangled here in the past and their case is up to the the administrators for judgment, one has agreed that he was disruptive and was blocked for 24 hours, thats me if you ask, the other one is still silent, but this has nothing to do with the article itself--יודל 15:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind that this is an article about the term alone, and that it also has a "See also" for Baal teshuva movement and for Repentance in Judaism as separate articles. Don't mix in discussions about who is blocked as I don't like getting distracted by useless and timewasting curveballs when I am working on serious writing and editing of important articles. Stick to discussing the CONTENT of articles only, never mind personalities and users who are pests and don't add to discussions but like to run around and sockpuppeteer! I worked long and hard to organize the material, especially the Baal teshuva movement article which makes it quite clear why it is not part of Orthodox Jewish outreach (which implies the work of Orthodox rabbis and organizations only and therefore is not suitable as a general topic for a huge movement in Jewish history.) And aI have now mentioned, I don't mind having a narrow entry for the meaning of the words Baal teshuva alone with the "See also", altho I do think that the notion of Baal teshuva should be explained and dealt with in the Repentance in Judaism article. So what is all the fuss about now? IZAK 16:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The fuss is on the history of this talk page, tricks were done to the content to win the discussion about the content with unheard manipulation of the content, if we want to forget it is up to us, but the fuss was here, is here and it wont be forgotten so easy and fast. as many question marks the worlds typewriters will have the talk here will be crystal clear for all to see--יודל 16:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solution: Disambiguation 

message: Regarding Chazara bish'ela → Yetzia bish'eila, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 October 3#Chazara bish'ela → Yetzia bish'eila. Thank you, IZAK 11:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not OR. --יודל 13:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect for deletion, Chazara bish'ela is pure OR 

message: Five Jews, 13 opinions, lol. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 04:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Typical, nu?

message: Rather than build up parallel Hebrew/English versions, the HatNoted stub named Baal Tehuva might find a better home within Main Article Repentance in Judaism. Yunmagz (talk) 21:37, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: Propose to merge Baal teshuva movement into this article. Both articles cover the same topic, albiet incompletely. Combining the two will covered the topic more coherently and more completely. Longhornsg (talk) 21:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal