Talk:Liturgical calendar (Lutheran)

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message: Text says:
:"The previous North American calendar of the ELCA was different from its European counterparts in that it does not give equal weight (and sometimes gives no mention) to persons who may be commemorated in Scandinavian regions. One example would be the absence of St. Lucia on 13 December, although she enjoys particular popularity in Sweden.[54] But" ... etc.
What kind of idea is this? There is no specific church reverence of St. Lucia in the Swedish Church. And I don't believe there is (or at least was) any St. Lucia celebration in Denmark or Norway at all. This is originally a non-religious celebration which originally didn't involve St. Lucia at all, but was some kind of celebration of the midwinter, which in the Julian calendar was about the 13:th of December. Another thing is that the celebration was successively modified and St. Lucia and a woman representing her was replacing the original Lucepär/Lucifer and his male representative, thereby making the ceremonials acceptable by religiously minded persons. Also, when the ceremony was so controlled and polished by the surrounding society, the start or the end of the ceremonies (don't know which) now were allowed to the church in the same way that the school pupils' vacation start was marked by a ceremony in the church. This has nothing to do with saints calendars, or year of lithurgy. I can't find any saints in my (Common Swedish Protestant – many denominations) book of psalms here at all, to my annoyment, because saints are acceptable as revered examples. Said: Rursus ☻ 17:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify myself: the midwinter was the time when the day was the shortest, and all evil forces was loose, f.ex. Satan himself, called Lucifer by the almost universal misunderstanding from the Bible. This Lucifer was to be controlled by putting lights on his head, and being surrounded by lightbearers. Priests and other religiously minded, were furious at these "celebrations", so the celebrations were evolutionary successively modified to something else. Said: Rursus ☻ 17:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out the reference for further details.  Additionally, I will say that from a theoretical point of view that I find the "history of religions" theory, such as the one you're providing above, concerning the development of various Christian festivals to frequently be without merit; in short, The Golden Bough was flawed and those of us working in the academic study of religion have known that for decades.  As to the rest of your comment, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at or even how you think the sentence in question is otherwise faulty.  In any case, since this is a reference to the the (Lutheran) Church of Sweden rather than to Protestantism in Sweden more generally, it makes sense why you might not find reference to her commemoration in a common psalter.  In fact, it would suprise me more if you did! -- jackturner3 (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: In reviewing the recent edits made by User:Happ, I have decided it best to revert to the last prior edit, dated 13 April 2009.  My reasons are as follows:
*1. Most of the edits are superfluous or otherwise unnecessary.  For example, it is felt unnecessary to add "Feasts" to "Festivals," particularly when both Evangelical Lutheran Worship and Lutheran Worship and their predecessors use "Festival" as a designated title.  Thus, for English speaking Lutherans, "Festival" is proper, and not "Feast."  Furthermore, it is felt unnecessary to specify "Blessed Virgin Mary" at every instance, in some cases adding the Virgin where she was not found in the earlier revisions.  While piety may dictate mention and commemoration of the Virgin first before the other saints, it is hardly essential that she receive first mention in every instance ahead of the company of Apostles OR be identified with her honorary epitaphs.  If there is a good reason to make this so, I'm willing to hear it, but I can think of none thus far.  I am also unclear as to why minor items such as "individuals" must be changed to "saints."
*2. Several of the edits changed the sense of the text to something else entirely.  In some instances, these edits not only change the article as written, but change the content of the cited source.  One example would be where 
::"However, popular devotions such as the blessing of palms or the imposition of ashes were suppressed in most church orders..."
:was changed to
::"However, popular devotions such as the blessing of palms or the imposition of ashes were suppressed in some church orders..."
:the latter of which clearly changes the meaning of the former text.  It is especially egregious since the original line was supported with a reference, thus the edits change not only the article but the supposed statement of the reference as well.
If the author of these edits would like to discuss why his edits are essential and an objective improvement on the article, contributing to its readability and factuality, then I will be quite happy to see them reinstated, but as they are now, there is little reason for them and in some instances these edits falsify the article, so they have been reverted. -- jackturner3 (talk) 13:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
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