Talk:Logan's Run

message: Has anyone read Logan's Run? If so, take a look and what I've done. It's ages since I read it, but I've been bold and put down what I could. Cgs
: I saw the film, but not the book... Martin
::I only saw the film too, but I took a shot at editing the article a bit.  Nice article! My minor changes didn't alter the content significantly. I have a question, though.  Didn't Logan's Run have some sequels? If so, they should be mentioned in the article. —Frecklefoot 15:22, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  A sequel to the film or book? I don't know of either (although the TV series was based very much on the film rather than then book). CGS 17:56, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: William F. Nolan wrote a couple of sequels: Logan's World (1978) and Logan's Search (1980). (And a novella called Logan's Return (2000), which only got a limited release.) According to his web site , he's also working on a couple of prequels. —Paul A 01:21, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)

text: Is the age limit thirty-years (Plot Conclusion) or 21 (Plot Introduction)? Mlk 06:36, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In the first book it's 21.  In the movie it's 30. Salsa Shark 06:43, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

text: I'm pretty sure that the current article reflects the plot of just the book. CGS 17:29, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Dial press. everyone dies at 21. cover art by a childrens illustrator. anyone have references to show this is an early work in the YA genre? this is a progenitor in spirit to so many novels now, like hunger games, etc. i think YA emerged just around this time. i know i was reading books in this category in 71, published up to 3 years prior, in series that were marketed to us. i recall them being together at the bookstore. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 21:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: audience

message: A citation has been requested for the statement that a new version of the film will be issued in 2006 or 2007. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. -- Dalbury(Talk) 21:53, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Future film release

message: The style of the guns issued to the Sandmen have a striking similarity to the Lawgiver sidearms issued to the Judges of the 2000AD comics. Not only do they contain six different types of round depending on the situation (Standard execution, Heatseeker, Ricochet, Incendiary, Hi-Ex and Armour piercing in this instance), but they also have technology to ensure that only the rightful owner can wield them, killing anyone trying to use the gun if they are not the registered Judge.
Anyone know if there has been any influence cited by the creators, Wagner or Ezquerra regarding Logan's Run? Slavedriver 13:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2000AD and Logan's Run 

message: Previously the article indicated that Logan and Jessica travel all over the world.  In reality, they spend most of their time in North America and briefly visit a research facility in Challenger Deep.  I updated accordingly.
For reference or possible inclusion elsewhere, their path in the book is as follows:
Los Angeles, California, USA -> Molly (Challenger Deep) -> Hell (Northern Canada) -> Crazy Horse Mountain and vicinity (South Dakota, USA) -> Fredericksburg, Virginia, USA -> Washington DC, USA -> Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA -> Cape Steinbeck, Florida, USA.  Jzerocsk 23:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of "the run." 

message: The word is used a few times in the article, but i'd argue that it's not euthanasia. The wiki dictionary definition is here, and it relates to a a mercy kiling to end an incurable conditon. Assuming you don't consider life itself to be an incurable condition (!!!) i think the word used should be 'killed' or executed. A more loaded term, yes...but more accurate I think.
I'm updating the artcile to reflect this.
ahpook 17:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you just equate dogs and cats to humans? You can't apply the same terms. Euthanasia is defined as painless killing to relieve SUFFERING. These people are being murdered plain and simple.
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.141.8 (talk) 00:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are the 30-year-old in the story being euthanised ? 

message: Since there are three distinct works here, I suggest Logan's Run (1976 film), Logan's Run (TV series), and Logan's Run (nnnn film) (for the one in production). Any takers? ♥ Her Pegship♥ 03:52, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps there should be one for the book as well.  To be honest, the TV series was so short-lived, it may not be worth having its own article.  Having an article for the upcoming film seems to go against WP:NOT's "crystal ball" clause.  The Logan's Run remake as been in pre-production for a long time and the date is continuously being pushed back.  This Letter dated June 13, 2006 purportedly from William F. Nolan himself indicates that the film is currently back in limbo with no director, no completed script, and no plans to start shooting.  There's not enough encyclopedic information available about a film that doesn't even have a production team and what little information there is will likely be completely different by the time the movie makes it to the can.  So I would propose a Logan's Run (1976 film) that makes mention of the television show and upcoming movie, a Logan's Run (novel) (and perhaps additional articles for the sequels) and if there is enough information to make it worth while, I wouldn't oppose a separate article for the TV series.  Of course, if the new remake ever makes it to production, then an article should be generated for it. Jzerocsk 13:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split suggestion 

message: I just do not feel that fan speculation about what sort of banging might be included in the unmade film qualifies as trivia.
Happy cricket 00:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Trivia section is still there, but I'm removing the mention of the song "Carousel, Carousel". That would be homage to the film only, as the Carrousel [sic] concept doesn't appear in the novel. If the Logan's Run (film) article has a trivia section, it could be added there. Druff 03:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "Trivia" Section 

message: I've expanded on the information about the remake with solid citation.  However, one citation, I found, this letter, is located on a personal webpage hosted by GeoCities.  While the letter does not seem fake, the fact that it's found on this webpage but nowhere else (that I could find) makes it a weak source to use.  If the letter can be located on a news website that recognizes it as the author's own, then I would be glad to cite it.  In the meantime, I'm not sure if the link is appropriate, even as an external link.  A second citation issue is the mention of director James McTeigue as Singer's replacement.  McTeigue was first mentioned at Variety, but it was treated as a rumor.  There was a leftover citation from TV Guide, but the link does not work.  I was not able to find any search results that cited TV Guide mentioning McTeigue as a possibility, only ones tied to Variety, which I've mentioned called the information a rumor.  If anyone can verify either the letter or the McTeigue possibility, that would be greatly appreciated. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 06:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This section seems a bit long for here. Maybe it would fit better at the film page? JJL 16:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure, since the information reflects that it would both reference the book and the original film.  I think it's most appropriate at the article of the primary source material. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 16:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remake information 

message: The article currently links to Crazy Horse the person, but in context should link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Horse_Memorial 72.158.52.66 16:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crazy Horse Link 

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message: An anon editor has been adding things from the movie ("The Circuit") which were not present in the novel.  Please stop doing this.  Only edit if you know what you're talking about.  Sir Rhosis 02:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Question - and I may be showing my noobness at this, but is there a Wiki-preference for novels over books, or for the original work over the work remade into different forms? Wondering, because it would seem that the majority of people searching Logan's Run would be looking for the movie, not the book. Why aren't searchers sent to the movie first, with a disambig link to the book? Applejuicefool (talk) 19:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a subsection for the movie. In the case of Logan's Run, the book is the original work, and the movie derived from it. In other articles, a movie may be the original work and a novelization may be the derivative.--Hellsop (talk) 13:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Novel vs. Movie

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message: What was on Jessica's back in the movie when they were in the ice cave and before they donned the furs? 
45smile54 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 04:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jessica's back in the movie

message: I wonder if the world of Logan's Run should be described as dystopian?  The wikipedia article describes a dystopia as fraught with poverty, disease, human suffering, etc.  And the Logan's Run world is debatable how nice it would be to live there, but either the dystopian article is too narrow or the intro to this article should be qualified or something.  That's my thought for the day.  Rhetth (talk) 21:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what changes you'd like made in the article. You mention a number of interesting plot similarities, but to include them would be original research unless a source has made the same comparisons. DonIago (talk) 21:22, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dystopian? 

message: The Russian biologist and notorious child-abuser Konstantin Mereschkowski in the early 20th century wrote an utopian (rather than dystopian) novel ""The Earthly Paradise"" where all people are euthanized at the age of 35. I checked up, the Wiki article on Konstantin Mereschkowski mentions this novel. Perhaps it should be included. I am not sure whether it had appeared in languages other than Russian by that time.128.69.177.37 (talk) 20:49, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Konstantin Mereschkowski Link?

message: I was surprised to not have this confirmed elsewhere on the internet or on this page, but the Aardman film, "Chicken Run" is an adaptation of this book, right? clearly. Maybe we should add it to the list of adaptations? yuowin tawk 21:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: !? Apart from one word, where is the connection?91.111.14.86 (talk) 21:58, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And the sourcing. Doniago (talk) 18:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

text: CR is obviously a parody of WW2 POW escape movies, with camp full of Brits and the arrival of a charismatic American leader (included to please US audiences). A "chicken run" is an area where chickens are allowed to wander and forage, in British English anyway. There is no connection with Logan's Run. --87.115.10.127 (talk) 09:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is "Chicken Run" and adaptation? 

message: The Sandman's gun was considered to be an unusual and ground breaking invention in the 1960s when the book was published and has had possible influences on Judge Dredd (see above).
I mentioned this in a section entitled The Gun but another editor removed it citing that it was trivial.
I disagree as the main plot of the novel in both this book and the sequel Logan's World, focuses on how terrified Runners are of this weapon and in particular the threat of being shot at with a Homer. 
The Gun provides key plot elements in the novel (e.g. Logan killing the tiger towards the end, his inability to kill Jessica with it at the novel's close, the Gun going "wild" as they race for Sanctuary and Logan using the power cell to find a way out of the cave they are trapped in). 
The Gun is also something that saves his life on many occasions and on two separate instances alerts other people to who he really is (Doc in The New You and Jessica when he kills the Cub Scouts).
I believe such a crucial backbone to the novel deserves its own sub section, especially when it has as much impact on the story as Logan, Jessica or Ballard/ Francis do.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.248.87.125 (talk) 00:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any sourcing to back this up? I'd also suggest that sourced prose would be a better use of space than the current format. Doniago (talk) 07:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sir Rhosis, keep your opinions to yourself. This is a place to discuss the article not have you lament about my passion for this inclusion you insulting moron. That aside, I will endeavour to find the prose for this. Any further insults bunged my way will result in you having your account suspended. Childish and unprofessional idiot. --189.158.80.220 (talk) 21:12, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, irony in action. Let's keep this discussion civil please. Name-calling doesn't accomplish anything. Doniago (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of The Gun  

message: :: Hello, you have removed my edit concerning the British Logan's Run annual and the Logan's Run strip in Look-In stating that I "did not provide a reliable source". I own the annual, for pity's sake, is that not "reliable" enough for you? I wouldn't have added the information if I didn't know it was accurate! And the Look-In strips can be viewed online at http://www.snowcrest.net/fox/logancomic/index.htm
I shan't bother, next time. Tony ingram (talk) 14:16, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: For reasons that are hopefully understandable, Wikipedia editors are not considered to be reliable sources. It's generally best not to take umbrage when you're requested for a source, but to just provide one and move on. If a source isn't available, then you can't exactly fault the editor challenging the claim to begin with, which is hopefully also understandable. DonIago (talk) 14:37, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Wikis aren't reliable sources, and given your snarky tone and your threatening to file a complaint against me I'm not especially inclined to assist you at this point. I'm content to wait to hear from an uninvolved editor. DonIago (talk) 17:57, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

text: If you'd like to rephrase that in a less snarky tone I'll be happy to address your points. In the meantime - WP:RS. DonIago (talk) 19:36, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: British Comic Strips

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message: As a new editor I did not want to make an edit to the introduction to an article that is well established, has consensus, and in a steady state.
My eyebrows did go up a bit when I read the term "ageist" because there was a practical reason (or rationalization) for limiting population; at the time of publication there was a big concern about overpopulation and a Malthusian result.  China's one child policy spoke to the same dynamic from another perspective. Other science fiction works of the times peak to the same theme.   Ironically, we may be at the start of a demographic collapse now! 
Logan's Run is a science fiction novel by American writers William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson. Published in 1967, the novel depicts a dystopic ageist future society in which both population and the consumption of resources are maintained in equilibrium by requiring the death of everyone reaching the age of 21. The story follows the actions of Logan, a Sandman charged with enforcing the rule, as he tracks down and kills citizens who "run" from society's lethal demand—only to end up "running" himself.
V - Malthusian
It depicts a Utopian future society on the surface, revealed as a dystopia where the population and the consumption of resources are maintained in equilibrium by killing everyone who reaches the age of 30.
So I figured I could humbly point out my concern here. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your point that it is not ageist. If you do make an edit, please note that it is age 21, not 30. 21 is used in the book, 30 in the film, and this is the article about the book. MarcGarver (talk) 14:39, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the input - I did not even realize that the quotation I pulled was from the movie; which is another reason I am being conservative about making edits. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ageist?