Talk:Anti-Europeanism

message: This is kind of US-centric but I don't know how to fix it. Hostility by people in EU countries towards the EU is a kind of anti-Europeanism in this sense, right?A Geek Tragedy 17:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is pretty bad but I can't think of a quick way to edit without weasel words.  I suppose Don Rumsfeld is perceived as anti-European, maybe because of his old Europe comments, but by whom?  Maybe Rummy's pic and the comment should be removed altogether. --209.128.81.201 17:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: US-centric

message: Isn't this article identical with Euroscepticism? --Michkalas 20:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article really needs to be improved, in reference to the above point, anti-Europeanism is certainly not Euroscepticism. Euroscepticism is an unfavourable attitude towards European integration by citizens of European countries. Anti-Europeanism is a general unfavourable attitude towards Europeans in General. UKIP would be classed as Eurosceptic, Bill O'Reilly as anti-European. blankfrackis 13:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I added some content to the page to get us started, I think if anyone is wishing to develop this page further (and I've only added two sections so it's needed) it should be along similar lines to the anti-Americanism page as the two terms are similar. blankfrackis 15:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Euroscepticism

message: One could of course expand this article to include various historical and contemporary instances of anti-Europeanism, specifically against those of European ethnicity. For instance, the slave raids by Africans against European coastal towns, the Asian invasions, the exponentially higher African-American crime levels directed against European-Americans. I realise though that might violate Wikipedia's political correctness.
194.46.183.72 04:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those aren't examples. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Only 8% of crimes are interracial and black on white and white on black crimes are extremely close. The slave raids are were not racially motivated and the rest of what you mention is original research. Remember to be civil and avoid personal attacks.You very nice place 01:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missed examples

message: "This, according to proponents of the argument, is particularly relevant given the questionable empirical basis of many of the accusations.[4]" What exactly does this mean? It seems overly confusing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.119.232.106 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing

message: One article by a Reuters correspondent on the subject does not make this a real phenomenon. There do not seem to have any academically worthy credentials here at all! 
Can anyone explain why there is a link to an article about socialised medicine?  Or the development of the post WWII welfare states across Europe?  Neither of those articles talks about anti-Europeanism, but they do contain opinions about the value of the direction that many European states have taken on some issues. Genuine opinions they may be, but I do not think that they even come close to a notion of "Anti-Europeanism" worthy of an article in any encylopedia.  --Tom 23:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article lacks valid credentials

message: It is really interesting how the US citizens, from which most are Europeans, can be against Europeans.... in this case they should hate themselves!--194.158.42.214 12:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A funny thing

message: I commented here a few days ago that there was little evidence for any real phenomena known as "Anti-Europeanism".
I am inclined to proposed this article be deleted. Before I do so, I want to open up the possibility here to allow the idea to be discussed first before progressing to that stage.
There is one simple reason for this proposal. There is no phenomenon that can be labelled as "Anti-Europeanism".  And here is why.
: 1.  The article seems to reflect the anger within the US administration with France in 2003 for their failure in the UN Security Council to back US policy for military action against Iraq. I do not recall that anger being directed against all the other European countries (e.g. UK, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Spain etc.), some of which actually supported the invasion. So are/were there feelings against Europe as a whole? I think not.  Yes, the anger at France spilled over into adminstration friendly news media such as Fox and with those people with strong sympathies towards the proposed action, but this was a brief, and some might argue (as I would) a wholly manufactured issue that was not a real phenomenon in the truest sense. 
:2.  I see no evidence that US citizens are Anti-European because the US and most European states have different models of healthcare. 
:3.  The European states are very diverse and most people know this and therefore know it would be silly to be anti-European because it couldn't be pinned down to any one thing where Europe could treated as having a single attribute that could be the basis for such a thing. In this sense it seems to me that the article has been created to counter "anti-Americanism". This is evident by looking at the wikipedia contributions of the inital author of the article and a major subsequent contributor to it. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Christinam.   
:4.  There is no evidence for anti-Europeanism outside of the US. I deleted a reference to Arab anti-Europeanism in this Talk page because it seems that the author was not a genuine wikipedian and the account that he was using has been blocked from further edits. In retrospect, that may have been wrong for me to do so. But it does seem that the author was not prepared to cite references to back his/her claims. 
:5.  The original article http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Europeanism&oldid=45877132 had bizzare claims for Anti-Europeanism such criticisms of speaking languages other than English language and the wholly understandable European (sic) refusal to sign various international treaties, including treaties allowing American troops to commit war crimes without Geneva Conventions charges !  Fortunately these seem to have been removed in the current article, but if the original article had no proper foundation, does the current version?  I think not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hauskalainen (talk • contribs) 14:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a google search on "fairies" and it produced over 8 million hits, and I don't quite think that really means that fairies exist! But seriously. I did make a fairly exhaustive trawl through a wide range of theose Google hits (the anti-european ones) and I think I can fairly say that they fell into 3 camps. The biggest is those discussing Anti-Europeanism as a backlash against perceived Anti-Americanism (which in practise means those selected European countries that did not back the US in Iraq). Most often this is seen in a journalistic and political comment, but I didn't see any statistics showing how deeply this was felt in the public at large. The second biggest group (and much smaller than the first) is the Anti-Europeanism felt in Europe (in countries such as UK and Denmark, that are broadly Eurosceptial (i.e. not in favour of the political integration in the European Union), and by far the smallest number were those that were arguing that the increasing number of muslims in Europe was somehow weakening the European spirit and that this represented a threat (mostly perecived by the US, but also by some in Europe). This latter group was much smaller than the other two by quite a margin. As for references to European men being gay/effeminate, that "European" meaning "communist", "not speaking English" and other bizzare associations, I could find little justification for them being in the article. So in a nutshell, Daniel, I will agree that we should keep the article and just trim it of its excesses.  The introduction is quite neat and fair already as it stands today. It just seems to go over the top in the later passages.  --Tom 20:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I know it sounds crazy Hauskalainen, but there are people who are very anti-European, you can't just bury your head in the sand. I don't doubt the existence of anti-Americans like yourself.;) Travis Cleveland 04:01, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I have a sincere suggestion for you that I think will help benefit both th earticle and any who come along to read the notes referencing how the article developed. If your  position is that "Anti-Europeanism" doesn't exist, for example, then try to prove that it does and see where. if anywhere that investigating leads, likewise if you believe it does exist then put yourself in the position of proving it doesn't. If nothing else this will help gain a more balanced perspective that articles need to address. Personally I find it hard to write encyclopedically when I'm feeling overly-passionate and sometimes this exercise helps strike a more thoughtful tome that leads to more constructive edits. We all want a great article. Benjiboi 06:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Benjiboi: Uhm, how would you go about proving the non-existence of something? That's a logical impossibility. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 09:28, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this article be deleted? 

message: I can understand an entry for Anti-Europeanism in general, but Garton Ash's quote 
is NOT a definition of Anti-Europeanism but an opinion on it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keaton75 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored the citation of Timothy Garton Ash, a reliable source, which Keaton75's edit removed.   The question of whether or not the quote in that reference should be displayed with  format is a separate issue.  — Athaenara  ✉  04:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  While it may make more sense to include the quote in the references section, I still wonder what it contributes to a general definition of Anti-Europeanism. In essence all it says it that Anti-Europeanism is not very prevalent in the U.S.. If anything this quote should be included in the Anti-Americanism article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keaton75 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Anti-Europeanism in America" (NYRB Hoover) is not about Anti-Americanism, but some of its analysis may be pertinent in that article.  — Athaenara  ✉  04:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Timothy Garton Ash quote 

message: In spite of the impressive collection of soundbites under "references", it isn't clear what this page is supposed to be about. 
It looks as if somebody googled the term and then just piled up whatever came up in the results page. 
This approach may work for Wiktionary, but it doesn't establish any coherent article scope. The following are entirely distinct topics, with existing articles, which could at best be disambiguated here:
*anti-Catholicism (British context)
*anti-German sentiment (British context)
*Euroscepticism (British context)  
*American exceptionalism
Anti-European sentiment is not an article, redirects to "racism" for some reason, perhaps possible move target?
--dab (𒁳) 13:51, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: article topic?

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