Talk:Cox and Box

message: The original editor of this page created a "link" to every name mentioned in the Discography, regardless of whether that person had a Wikipedia page or not. Many of those names are not really notable in the Wikipedia sense, and are unlikely to ever have articles of their own.
When I followed those links, in several cases they led to completely unrelated persons who were clearly not the artists the Discography referred to. In those cases, I removed the links, as I was not prepared to create new articles about these artists, and I didn't think disambiguation pages were justified. (They are not, as I have suggested, "notable" in the Wikipedia sense.)
I haven't found a Wikipedia policy or guideline that's on-point, but I think it's a mistake to routinely link every human being mentioned in an article. Only those that are truly notable — those who should have articles, if they don't already — should be linked.
Nevertheless, I have only "unlinked" those names that were clearly pointing to the wrong person, and I've let the others stand. Marc Shepherd 13:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the relevant Wikipedia guideline on linking, which makes clear that one shouldn't link unless there is an existing relevant article, or the reasonable prospect that one should be created. I have therefore changed all the links to "non-notable" artists without articles to plain text. Marc Shepherd 22:37, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The person responsible for the offending links was Tim riley, and not the original creator of the page as claimed by Marc Shepherd.  A check of the History page for this article will easily confirm this.  Figaro 14:52, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't Adams and Round, at least, be linked?  The are listed as major artists on the G&S page. --Ssilvers 21:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would link them only if there are articles. If someone ever writes a Round or Adams article, it would then be trivial to find mentions of them in Wikipedia. For now, they would just be red links. Marc Shepherd 12:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On Wikipedia, if you link an article that has not been written yet, this alerts interested people to write the article, so maybe it would be useful, if we think that Round and Adams deserve WP entries.   They both had opera careers in addition to DOC, and they certainly appear on lots of recordings....   I'm inclined to think they deserve articles.  --Ssilvers 18:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "False Links" in Discography 

message: An earlier edit said:
:Burnand's text follows Morton's original play closely, differing in only two notable respects. In the play it is Mrs - rather than Sergeant - Bouncer who lets the rooms; and before the receipt of Penelope Anne's letter announcing her engagement to Knox, Burnand omits the receipt of two other letters, the first reporting that Penelope Anne is presumed drowned, and the second that she has been rescued and is on her way to meet her fiancé.
The first part of this statement is true, but not the second. In Burnand and Sullivan's Cox and Box, all three letters appear. See the libretto on the G&S Archive. It's only in the 1920s Savoy Version that the first two letters are omitted.
The earlier edit placed this comment in the "Synopsis" section. After correcting the error, I moved it to the "History" section, where it more appropriately belongs. Marc Shepherd 17:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Differences between play and opera

message: Categories Operas by Arthur Sullivan, English-language operas, English comic operas and One-act operas are all categories or subcategories of :Category:Operas. — Robert Greer (talk) 12:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: The article states that Sullivan originally wrote Bouncer as a Counter-Tenor part, but, whilst John Foster was certainly an Alto Lay Clerk at the Chapel Royal, the autograph score indicates clearly that, for the most part, he would have sung the part in his normal Baritone range, just like everybody who has played Bouncer since, except for a slightly higher setting of Bouncer's opening song, an unusually high note in the Recitative section of the "Stay Bouncer Stay" Duet and the likely indication that he was originally supposed to sing the top line in the Rataplan Trio. Whilst these elements were almost certainly put in by Sullivan to cater for Foster's abilities to sing in a higher range, I think it's misleading to actually state that Sullivan wrote the part for a "Counter-Tenor", a term that would have rarely been used in the 1860s and 70s and gives a false impression of how the part was originally scored.
:This is a good point, and I completely agree, but I wish you had found a review or some scholarship that we could cite for the proposition that he sang it mostly in the Baritone range. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:29, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! You should see our policy on referencing: WP:V. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:46, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't we just say "The part was written for John Foster, who sang counter-tenor, but the autograph score is mostly in the baritone range, with only a few parts slightly higher than the finalised score."? Cite the autograph score, etc. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 19:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not think it is at all clear that "only a few parts [were] slightly higher" than the "finalised score" (whichever one you mean by that), and you certainly can't give that level of detail without a ref.  I just reviewed the language and made two clarifications to try and satisfy you, but I don't really see what the problem was.  We already had said that only part of the role was written in the alto range.  Any greater detail than that would surely require a ref. Frankly, this discussion is the tail wagging the dog.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:30, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bouncer as a "Counter-Tenor" 

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