Talk:Kostas Karamanlis

message: Could someone try to resolve the Caramanlis versus Karamanlis problem? It arises because traditionally English renders the Greek kappa as a "c" - hence Corinth, Constantine, etc, and the elder Caramanlis was usually written Constantine Caramanlis when he was in office. But his article here is called Constantine Karamanlis. This article is called Costas Caramanlis, but the text throughout calls him Kostas Karamanlis. We should consistently use either a "c" or a "k". Should we:
*Change Kostas and Karamanlis to Costas and Caramanlis throughout both articles? or
*Give up on the traditional spelling and call both articles Konstantinos Karamanlis and disambiguate them, with redirects from Costas Caramanlis, Constantine Caramanlis and Constantine Karamanlis? 
Adam 03:08, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The tendency to render Greek "K" with "C" in English is actually valid for Ancient Greek, and I would argue that in this case it is not a direct rendering of the Greek names but of the latinized versions of these names e.g. Corinthus, Themistocles, Cleobulus, Cyprus, etc which contain C in place of K anyway. It is more appropriate to render all |K| sounds in modern Greek with "K" in English or indeed any language utilizing the Latin alphabet; this is what I have consistently done with my name at least throughout the years and all my compatriots do the same when they need to fill in their name in some application form in Latin alphabet. Lucius Domitius 14:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'k' is pretty standard for modern Greek, yes.  In a few traditional place names like Corinth the old rendering is retained simply because it's so common, but in most others the 'k' is now used: for example Kavala, Kefalonia, Thessaloniki, etc. --Delirium 14:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: His surname sounds Turkish. Is his family from Karamanids? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.214.67 (talk • contribs) 
:Sorry to move your comment around, but it is customary to add new stuff in talk pages at the end. Now, I don't think there is any connection between the Karamanlis family and southern Anatolia. They originate from Serres. Apart from that, I think that their name does have a turkish language root. However that is not uncommon, many greek surnames have roots in other languages as many originated from nicknames. My own as you can see can trace its ancestry in the latin-derived word "family" :-) --Michalis Famelis (talk) 15:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can have a look in his archives, where I think there is something about his name.--Yannismarou 16:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes it is a Turkish surname, properly written Karamanlı (roughly =of Karaman) and pronounced Ka'ramanleh in Turkish. Many Greeks falsely believe that it comes from "Karaman Ali" but this is not the case. The meaning of the Turkish suffix -lı (notice it is the dotless ı) is actually understood by Greeks since it has passed in Greek loan words from Turkish, like μερακλής (meraklı) or μπελαλής (belalı). So perhaps he has some roots in Karaman, perhaps not, many Greeks were obliged to adopt Turkish surnames at the times, don't forget Greece was under Ottoman rule. --   Avg    00:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not exactly applicable for the particular case, but let us not forget that "Kara" in Greek means head, leader, capital, crown etc. NikoSilver 18:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As in Karavangelis? BalkanFever 01:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's probably from Turkish "kara" which means black. Kara (Κάρα) meaning head is an Ancient Greek word. It is used rarely in Modern Greek, especially in an ecclesiastical setting (kara is the head of a dead Saint).--   Avg    03:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also found in Serbian Karađorđević and Romanian Caramitru, so I think when used in a surname it comes from the Turkish. BalkanFever 03:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Of course, whatever you say. Dreams are free. Oh and funny that only Macedonia comes with a capital in your text. Also you might be interested to some links that I have where Greeks in FYROM talk about how they were forced to change their surname? --   Avg    17:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Still don't see the capital G...? I guess you really can't expect an answer from a lower form of life?--   Avg    22:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you should answer the question. Oh wait, that's deliberate. BalkanFever 11:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: That seems to be used quite systematically (generally, by ethnic Macedonians), funnily enough. Not trying to ascribe certain motives or anything, of course. ;) 3rdAlcove (talk) 17:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, you got me BF, yeah his arguments were compelling and I try to avoid the discussion. --   Avg    16:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: New Hellenes? Lol... That's how WE call ourselves :-) --   Avg    16:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Greeks generally do recognise Macedonia, both the province and the wider region. They (well, not all, let's not generalise thaaat much) just find the use of the name for the specific country problematic. The fact that you insist that it's "your flag" and "your history" doesn't help much in establishing any sort of cordiality. AVG is right btw, we do call ourselves Νεοέλληνες very frequently, a name that carries certain negative connotations, sometimes. 3rdAlcove (talk) 17:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karamanid 

message: Why does Mr Avramopoulos spell his given name two different ways in his two portfolios? Adam 12:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Avramopoulos

message: Under the 'Criticism' heading the article states that 
There have even been claims by the center-right government that the fires are the work of terrorists. No evidence to make these claims credible has been presented. Furthermore, having failed to deal successfully with almost all political, economical, educational and social issues that occured during his 3.5 year government, his popularity had a great decrease from the very high point it was when Mr. Karamanlis was elected in 2004.
This is clearly biased, particularly the part about having "failed to deal with almost all political, economical issues etc." I have deleted the above portion of the article as it was not only biased but unsourced. Mr john luke 07:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral Point of View 

message: just saying:P--Leladax 03:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hasn't he lost weight since that photo? 

message: 2007 re-election
In the 2007 general election...
...He is a gay rights activist, and he is gay too. He likes balls and weiners
I'm gonna go ahead and remove this. Even if this isn't vandalism it doesn't belong to the 2007 re-election category.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.122.4 (talk) 21:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I believe that the "Criticism" part of this page is too brief and pointless. The criticism of Karamanlis governments spans to many more issues, other than the forest fires, which to be honest I dont think are his responsibility. There are corruption, inequality, incopetence claims on many areas of Karamanlis (in)activity as a prime minister. Public outrage in Greece has become more than obvious during the last 4 years. I suggest this part of the article to be rewritten to include mentions to matters like:
- The 2 eevaluations of the economy for political reasons.
- The pre-electional promise of Karamanlis to stop corruption, and the subsequent rise of corruption, especially related to government officials.
- The Vodafone scandal.
- The social/pension system reform.
- The education reform.
- The uncontrollable rise of goods prices.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.79.120 (talk) 00:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The official PASOK site actually IS a reliable source. Saying that the major opposition party accuses Karamanlis of so and so is fine, as long it is stated that this is what PASOK believes and not proven in court or otherwise. Obviously the same applies to Papandreou and ND.--   Avg    11:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: There is a long paragraph on the misreporting of the PASOK budget 2004 - but there is no information on the ND budget falsfications discovered in 2009. Moreover, the Word 'Goldman Sachs' appears multiple times in this article in other languages, but not once in English. I am not an expert in Greek politics, but I do not understand why a PASOK budget scandal must fit in this biographical article, while an ND one does not. Not only on this account the article seems fairly unbalanced to me. Aenus, 08:26, 02 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balancedness and Budget Falsfications 

message: The articles seems to be focused around the negative aspects of Karamanlis administration. There's certainly a lot of content to be added here. See the Greek WP article about him: el:Κώστας Καραμανλής. 83.235.57.51 (talk) 09:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  One sided take on Karamanlis administration 

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