Talk:International reactions to the 2006 Lebanon War

message: Should we move international reactions to a separate page, per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:11_July_2006_Mumbai_train_bombings#Too_many_international_statements  --Pifactorial 20:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think it is one of the only solid parts of this article, since there is no room for editors themselves to put their sleazy "spin" on it.. Dan Carkner 03:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate page needed?

message: A Seperate page for Int'l Reactions was created as of 07:12, 14 July 2006 by Siqbal. Copying discussion on the matter to talk page for that article, please continue all discussion on the matter there. --darkskyz 23:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Seperate Page Created

message: Should reactions be arranged in way that is more standardized and readable? i.e. under each state list the position, name and quote, such as this:
(flag)United States:
President, George Bush: "blah blah blah" (citation)
Scretery of State, Candy Rice: "Yadah yadah yadah" (citation)
and so forth?
Also, could someone cleanup the refrences as much as possible? Try not to have 1-2 sources for each quote but rather 4-5 quotes per source, and use english sources as much as possible?
--darkskyz 17:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Standardized is difficult.  Sometimes 1 government is making seemingly contradictory statements at the same time eg. Iraq FM & PM, and Egyptian President's comments dont appear to be sticking to one particular line.  But if it can work like that good but context of where and when a statement was made is important too eg. Arab League meeting. 82.29.227.171 10:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: The international reaction to the 2006 Israel-Lebanon crisis has mostly been a general condemnation of what the leaders consider to be a harsh response by Israel.
after reading the actual reactions of world leaders (both arab and non arab countries) the language seems to be a little harsh towards israel and easy on other parties.  i saw very few countries that would actually fit that statement.
I'm not sure how I would change it however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.20.207.29 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 14 July 2006(UTC)
:This article can hardly be said to be POV, since it is just a collection of statements. Regarding the correctness of the sentence: The international reaction to the 2006 Israel-Lebanon crisis has mostly been a general condemnation of what the leaders consider to be a harsh response by Israel1., it should be easy to verify from the text below. --Battra 19:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The disputed phrase should apply to at least EU, the Vatican, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, France, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Pakistan, Italy, Russia. Since statements from more than 30 countries are given, I agree that the sentence should be changed in some way. --Battra 20:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I now adapted the statement and someone else apparently dealt with the below-mentioned problem. Hopefully the POV banner can go now. Harald88 22:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It would seem that Denmark and atleast some US officials share that claim. --darkskyz 23:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Technically, Armenia is in Asia ... but I'm a little reluctant to change it, for fear of initiating some conflict. WilyD 21:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, isn't Indonesia in Asia too?--213.65.178.19 22:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think Armenia is at least partially part of the European continent. (For instance it's a member of the Council of Europe) Sijo Ripa 22:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Armenia is considered part of Europe for cultural reasons.  However, Indonesia is usually considered part of Asia, so I think at least that should be corrected. -- Clevelander 22:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's correct.  Armenia gets to be part of European activities for historical reasons, but is located entirely within Asia.  I don't think anyone considers it not Asian, though.   Just as Cyprus is allowed to join the EU, even though it's entirely within Asia.  Indonesia is also one I missed - different sources have it split across the two continents or entirely in Asia, so it's harder to call, but most Indonesians live in Asia, capital city is in Asia, et cetera. WilyD 22:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Other than its Geographic location it's European by any other definiton, similar to Cyprus or Georgia.--Eupator 19:01, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenia 

message: Sweden
The minister of foreign affairs Jan Eliasson said (translated) "The military offensive of Israel is an extremely dangerous escalation of the situation in the region". He condemned the attack of Hezbollah, but said that the line of proportionality in the reaction had been crossed. "I am deeply critical to that the civilian population has been affected."
I noticed it because the last sentence sounds a bit awkward to me, but I don't want to change it because it could be a good translation, and my grammar ear isn't pitch-perfect. It comes from here and the source appears to be the first 3 paragraphs of the minster's response. TransUtopian 08:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Swede, I can guarantee that "I am deeply critical to that the civilian population has been affected." is a translation word by word of the Swedish "Jag är djupt kritisk till att civilbefolkningen drabbas.", except for a change to past tense. Maybe "I am deeply critical of the civilian population being affected." is how it should be written? I'll leave that to someone with better grammar. --Battra 10:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Battra. I changed it to "I am deeply critical that the civilian population is being affected." since that sounds more right to me, but I'm not 100% sure. TransUtopian 11:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone confirm the Swedish translation?  

message: Is the UN Resolution referred to in the United States entry ("Frist also said that the Lebanese government should uphold its responsibility under a United Nations resolution to make sure its territory isn’t being used for Hezbollah or other groups.") United Nations Security Council Resolution 242? It's related, but I don't know if that's the one he's referring to, or a more recent one. TransUtopian 13:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I belive he is reffering to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559, but this is my speculation. He might just as well been reffering to all or part of the various resolutions related with Israeli-Lebanese conflict. --darkskyz 15:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UN Resolution 242? 

message: "Canada sides firmly with Isreal"
No wonder it's a conservative goverment...--166.87.255.131 09:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like he's heard the grumbling at home and is getting a little more measured himself.  I updated with his most recent comments. Fishhead64 15:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canada 

message: [Inahet's diff] says "I'm going to revert your edit, I consider your edit to be accurate, but I know that it will cause some dispute, which should be avoided". I have nothing against Inahet and am not very knowledge about this, so why might statements from 2 Armenian government press releases cause dispute sufficient to remove them from the article? They seem authoritative for their country, and the text in a once-over seems accurate. TransUtopian 11:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, forest for the trees. I noticed the Turkey addition, but not the Armenian move. Whoops! <embarrassed> Sorry about that. TransUtopian 14:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's okay, don't feel embarrassed, it happens to all of us. --Inahet 21:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian entry could cause dispute? 

message: "The international reactions to the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict have been divided, with most leaders condemning both Hezbollah and Israel."
This first sentence seems a little weird.  If most are condemning both, then reactions are not all that much divided, are they?--Paraphelion 13:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to "mixed" because it's not the world that's divided per se.  To be more specfic, it's the Arab world. -- Clevelander 14:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  divided? 

message: Under the demonstrations section, I think that instead of noting that anti-Israel rallies occured in specfic Arab states (e.g. Syria, Iraq, etc.), we should just note the rallies that took place throughout the Arab world.  It would be less complicated. -- Clevelander 14:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see what is less complicated about it or any other advantage that outweighs the loss of information.--Paraphelion 14:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What would be lost?  If we specfically cite the Arab states in which rallies have occured, then I don't see a problem. -- Clevelander 16:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: I noted that there is no documentation showing that AMCITS must pay for their evacuation. Are there any official USG documents or statements specifically saying that evacuees must pay for their own departure? 199.200.252.17 16:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the transport to Cyprus is free. but the US will not be picking up the tab for flights out of Cyprus to the USA, etc.... However, loans will be available.  that is what i  read a few days ago. --72.20.207.29 16:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As per CNN.com 2003 Foreign Relations Authorization Act mandates this payment. I'm looking for the specific text. 199.200.252.17 18:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I readded details on the US house vote and AIPAC reaction (deleted without explanation), there appeared to be some tampering with the polling data also so you might want to look at that. Thanks 82.29.227.171 20:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States 

message: I added the current tag. Hope it isnt controversial :D--Cerejota 19:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Current tag

message: Someone create a page with nations evacuating from Lebanon, please lets start moving the info in this page there, so we can list it as the main article in 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. I edited the intro paragraph here to reflect this change. Thanks.--Cerejota 16:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Evacuation of foreign nationals

message: we all know the hipocrisy of this term, we all know the right to self defense stopped just where indiscriminated murder started, and that the israeli are killing tons of people and keeping themselves unharmed (if you make a proportional calculation) so the wikipedia cannot take this as a personal opinion. Reading the article you find it clear that this is also wikipedia's opinion and that is not right.
:Could you reference this comment?  It's not in the intro. Fishhead64 17:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Right to self defense 

message: This .mil page:  says that on the 23rd of July, only 3,994 US citizens were left in Lebanon. Also, in addition to the M/V Orient Queen, they also used the M/V Ramah
and M/V Vittoria M. . I'd simply update it myself, but this info is already 4 days old. --0g 14:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: US Evacuations / Out of Date

message: Does this aid belong here?  Same question for military aid. 82.29.227.171 14:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Humanitarian Aid & Military Aid

message: The only picture accompaning the UK reactions section is a pro-Israeli rally, despite the fact that support for Israel is a fringe opinion in Britain. The opening paragraph of the same section makes much of Blairs opinions on the matter, without mentioning once how unpopular he and his decision is. This seems to be editorialising to make the general opinion of Britain look different than it actually is
I'm going to find a picture of an anti-Israeli rally to give a more representative view of British opinions. Damburger 10:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure I see any pro-Israeli bias... but additional pictures are always appreciated. Tchadienne 02:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro-Israeli bias in the UK sections 

message: Could we split this into two articles, one on the "International reaction to Operation Just Reward" - where the majority of the info here will remain, and the other under the more general title of "International reaction to the 2006 Israeli-Lebanon conflict" - which would include diplomatic statements like the one issued by the Chinese Government in reaction to the accidental killing of their delegate? Tchadienne 02:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Radical Split proposal

message: I understand the main article was getting a bit long, but splitting the international reactions article into four different articles seems a bit unnecessary. Perhaps we should merge the content back into one article and clean out some stuff to make the article shorter. But please, four grand-daughter articles seems silly. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 21:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont agree. We dont delete information, we add it ad infinitum. --Striver 23:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, we delete information all the time. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 23:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, when there is something wrong with the information. --Striver 14:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Disagree. There is so much information flowing around, that merged pages are gonna be just too long to be useful. --imi2 11:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: i disagree with merging. There are roughly 6.000.000.000 people in the international community outside of Lebanon/Israel/Occupied Territories. Four articles to divide up different ways of representing the points of view or actions of those 6.000.000.000 people seems a rather small number. Which types of representation are more important depends on one's POV. To retain NPOV, we need to retain the different POVs which are expressed and documented externally to the wikipedia. Boud 02:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I also *strongly* agree with the proposal. The sub-sub-articles had no life of their own and no discussion and were in danger of becoming outdated much too fast. See the lead for the new structure. I will propose WP:SD for the sub-sub-articles. Of course, this article now has to be significantly reduced in size (as well as the humanitarian), but this task is much more easy to handle without the sub-sub-article clutter. Kosmopolis (talk) 17:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Request 

message: On that note, here are yet more reports from the Main etc:
Leader of the Canadian Bloc Québécois party, Gilles Duceppe, was criticised for his August 6th participation in a pro-Hezbollah rally in Montreal by Israel's ambassador to Canada, Alan Baker.¶
As well as Hollywood's reaction. As it stands, I'm not sure where they should go... TewfikTalk 01:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More info 

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