Talk:Rose water

message: I moved this page without discussion, as I do not think it is controversial. However, if anyone disagrees with me, please feel free to change it back and/or take the matter to requested moves. By far the most common spelling for the substance seems to be "rose water". That is what the American Heritage Dictionary has, as do two reference books about food. One of the books is published by the Oxford University Press, so I am guessing that there is no difference between American and British spellings. I also searched Google for both versions. "Rose water" returned websites talking about the substance, but "rosewater" seemed to mostly refer to a surname. -- Kjkolb (talk) 00:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: "Rose water is a calque of Persian word Golab ()." That sounds odd to me. Doesn't Golab, like Gulab in other countries, refer to the flower, the colour, etc., not specifically the rose water? 
Nadiatalent (talk) 19:04, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is potentially confusing to those of us with minimal languages. A Bengali dictionary says that "rose" is "golap", and "gulabi" in Hindi is "pink". Nadiatalent (talk) 14:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

text: If I understand your intention correctly, you'd agree that the statement should be removed, so I've done that. Nadiatalent (talk) 21:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calque? 

message: How does rose essence relate to rose water and other rose products? Nadiatalent (talk) 18:37, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rose essence? 

message: "In the United States, rose syrup is used to make rose scones and marshmallows."
This...I just don't know quite what to say.  It may be factually correct, but...but...You could probably say the same of France, or Germany or England or anywhere else they may make scones or marshmallows.  It would be more correct and less misleading to say, "rose syrup may be used in baking and confectionery, for example in making rose scones or marshmallows...as seen..."  But it's also use in flavoring pastries made with phyllo, and in pastries in Asian countries, in beverges all over the world!
Rose syrup is used all over the world, most prominently in Asia and the Middle East, less so in Europe and the Americas.
"A rose water ointment is occasionally used as an emollient..."
Two things (at least)...rosewater is used in cosmetics because it smells good.  Yes, it is claimed to have certain desireable properties in addition to a pleasing aroma but this is another case where it would be better to say that "rosewater is used in cosmetic and beauty preparations..." and expand on that a bit.
And you're leaving out the old, centuries, I'd guess, standby:  glycerine and rosewater lotion.  Really, centuries.  Maybe millenia.  It's common all over the world, even today, with many commercial products available, although it is easily made at home.  Zlama (talk) 21:27, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uses 

message: Although this sentence has long been tagged as needing a citation, I'd like to challenge it here, in case anyone does have a reliable cite for it.  "Until 350 years ago rose water, or gol-aab, was only distilled in Persia..."  From 'Economic History of Medieval India, 1200-1500' p. 56, "How extensively the production of rose water had spread through throughout [India] by this time is indicated by the low prices that Ibn Battuta in ['Rihla'] recorded of rose water in the mid 1340s in Bengal: it fetched no more than half the price of ghee of the same weight." (ghee=butter)  Supposedly an old (11th century?) Sanskrit book, called Ark-prakash, attributes the discovery of rosewater to Nagarjuna, ca 200 CE, and while I have my doubts about that, I think that claims of a Persian monopoly of over 6 centuries really need some good references to keep from disappearing. 173.228.54.175 (talk) 16:30, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian monopoly through 1650, really? 

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message: since vedic times, indians knew rose water and has been mentioned in several texts including bhagwat geeta, charaka samhita etc i think this page needs to mention that indians knew rose water since very ancient times, it may just be that avisena made the process more economical and cheap. It is also claimed that rose attar was first made by persians even though indians already knew rose water and attars, so indians must have known rose attars. 
Research Report for Historical Study of Attars and essence making in Kannauj
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202.188.53.210 (talk) 05:56, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  need to add section of rose water in india 

message: The text describing the production of rose water as likely originating in Persia was removed, and replaced with the following:
I have reverted that edit, because despite the citation, the statement is highly dubious. The story of the Swayamvara of Draupadi is not contained in the Bhagavad Gita, but in the Adi Parva. I checked two translations of the Swayamvara Parva in the Adi Parva, and only sandal water paste is mentioned, not rose water. Dutt's translation: "It resounded with the notes of thousands of trumpets, — it was scented with Aguru (black aloe), ornamented with garlands and sprinkled with the sandal water paste." Ganguli's translation: "And resounding with the notes of thousands of trumpets, it was scented with black aloes and sprinkled all over with water mixed with sandal-paste and decorated with garlands of flowers." A search found no instance of the phrase "rose water" anywhere in the Mahabharata.
I also searched three translations of the Bhagavad Gita, none of which contain the phrase "rose water". I wasn't able to find any other information through a Google search about rose water being mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita. Finally, the provided source itself on page 37 goes on to say: "In his studies in the History of Indian Cosmetics and Perfumery, Prof. P. K. Gode outlines the chronology of rose flower, rose water and rose attar from 2000 BC in which he has traced the import of rose to India from Farsistan in Persia between 810 and 817 AD." --IamNotU (talk) 18:11, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious claim of origin in India, and mention in the Bhagavad Gita 

message: — Assignment last updated by IamBookcat (talk) 01:22, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Food in the Islamic Middle East

message: I suggest to reword the sentence as follows :
"Rose water likely originated in Persia,[sources 6, 7 and 8] however, before the development of the technique of distilling rose water, rose petals were already used in Persian cuisine to perfume and flavor dishes.[source 6]". Sounds closer to what the sources say.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 20:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not objection to that if the useless "however" is deleted. Bon courage (talk) 20:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, then i'll put the second part of the sentence first, in order to make the junction with the rest of the section.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal