Talk:Turkish War of Independence

message: Can you please share your comments on the Handbook of Ethnic Conflict? The source clearly doesn't support the statement written in the article. Had a Turkish user falsified a source in such a way, it would be a scandal.
--81.214.104.244 (talk) 13:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, this kind of nasty propaganda is unfortunately all over wiki. 88.230.168.76 (talk) 19:46, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

text: It is certainly true that the population exchange, while an odious piece of history, like the partition of India, was a two-way affair, and agreed with the Greek government - to sweep this up together with the more hotly contested Armenia forced marches certainly fails the smell test. The text on the right blends two separate historic moments into one, and equally making no mention of the Greek Muslims who were equally victimized by the political calculus. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison

message: Can you guys keep a watch over disruptive removal on Khilafat movement section by ? Thanks. Shankargb (talk) 03:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that Benlittlewiki's removal was disruptive. They also suggested that the content might be fine if moved to a different section. I haven't looked into it enough to have an opinion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:29, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the same replly as FFF.  331dot (talk) 08:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved the section for now. Shankargb (talk) 15:39, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Section

message: In Michael Ledeen's book 'The First Duce' on page 176 he talks about D'Annunzio's League of Fiume and it appears that it sought to find Turkish representatives for their Anti-Imperial League. saying that there was 'possible support' for the LoF among Turkish nationalists.
Is this enough to argue there was Diplomatic support from the League of Fiume/Italian Regency of Carnaro for Turkish Republicans? Genabab (talk) 03:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good question! Unless there is concrete and significant diplomatic, military, and financial support to one side, something like this shouldn't go to the infobox. Did the author go deeper or was this something he threw out? Benlittlewiki (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the only mention of Turk in the book. I think it may be better off being mentioned in the article, instead of the infobo. Genabab (talk) 15:59, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diplomatic support from League of Fiume 

message: These two large 'conclusion' sections quite literally never talk about who the war was actually waged on, i.e. Allied powers, and what its actual impact was, i.e. Sevres being abandoned and Turkey keeping much more of its land without foreign influence.
I find it very odd that the summary sections of this article pretty much never talk about any of this and are focused on the minorities and the nationalist aspect of it. Sure, these are very important topics but ignoring everything else completely makes no sense.
This war has had enormous impact on a lot of things: it bore a new country with a completely new governing system and a new leader (who went on to change that country completely in the following 15 years, thus adding to the impact), and really changed all the power dynamics in the region. 107.15.245.109 (talk) 15:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of the actual struggle in the Historiography and Impact sections 

message: In the article, it appears that fictitious estimates, which are claimed to be the source of civilian deaths, are used in a distorted manner.
The numbers in the article are 264,000 Greeks, 60,000-250,000 Armenians and 15,000 Turkish civilians.
Leaving aside R. J. Rummel's imaginary biased number calculation, I will mention a technical problem.
I quote the article you mentioned as the source of Turkish death. "I believe the minimum number killed was 15,000". It is clearly understood from this article that the selection of this source was made with racist and fascist thoughts and bad intentions. How can the sentence "I believe there are so many deaths" be evidence? 
The so-called source (biased imaginary estimates on the R. J. Rummel paper) claims that 264,000 Greeks died between 1912-1922, therefore previous death estimates that have nothing to do with this war that started in 1919 cannot be attributed as if they were in this war, it is not technically possible, the time intervals are different, and the combatants The sides are different, that is, they are completely different events. 176.237.245.159 (talk) 00:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distortion of civilian deaths 

message: as you can understand the topic from the title,the turkish side is really,REALLY exaggrated.For example:the azerbaijan,aras and kars government were abolished before they communicated with ankara government. That "also" part likely done for showing turks were more than the entente.if that "also" part should be, i think theres a part for all anti turkist uprisings for the entente part.here is the all uprisings:
Ali Batı Incident (11 May 1919 – 18 August 1919)
Ali Galip incident (20 August 1919 – 15 September 1919)
First bozkır Uprising (29 September 1919 – 4 October 1919)
Second bozkır Uprising (20 October 1919 – 4 November 1919)
First Ahmet Anzavur uprising (25 October 1919 – 30 November 1919)
First Düzce Uprising (13 April 1920 – 31 May 1920)
Second Düzce Uprising (19 July 1920 – 23 September 1920)
Sheikh Ashraf Uprising (Hart Incident) (26 October 1919 – 24 December 1919)
Kızılkuyu Incident (28 October 1919 - 29 October 1919)
Battle of Apa (28 October 1919)
Battle of Dinek (November 1, 1919)
Battle of Demirkapı (November 15, 1919)
Second Ahmet Anzavur Uprising (16 February 1920 – 19 April 1920)
Kuvâ-yi İnzibâtiye (18 April 1920 - 25 June 1920)
Third Ahmet Anzavur Uprising (10 May 1920 – 22 May 1920)
First Yozgat Uprising/First Çapanoğlu Uprising (15 May 1920 – 27 August 1920)
Second Yozgat Uprising/Second Çapanoğlu Uprising (5 September 1920 – 30 December 1920)
Zile Rebellion (25 May 1920 – 21 June 1920)
Aynacıoğulları Revolt (1918 - 21 November 1923)
"Milli" Tribe Revolt (1 June 1920 – 8 September 1920)
Cemil Çeto Incident (20 May 1920 – 7 June 1920)
İnegöl Incident (20 July 1920 – 20 August 1920)
Çopur Musa Uprising (in Afyon) (21 June 1920)
Kula Incident (27 June 1920 – 28 June 1920)
Konya Uprising (2 October 1920 – 22 November 1920)
Demirci Mehmet Efe Uprising (1 December 1920 – 30 December 1920)
Circassian Ethem Revolt (27 December 1920 – 23 January 1921)
Koçgiri/Koçkiri Rebellion (6 March 1921 – 17 June 1921)
Revenge Regiment Uprising (July 1920)
Pontus Uprising (December 1920 - 6 February 1923)
(From turkish WP)
also i must say one thing more:
The afghans didnt support turks,the turks supported afghans.In the agreement made with the Afghans, while it was written that the Turks would send officer teachers to the Afghans, it did not say that the Afghans would do anything for the Turks. This agreement was made with Afghanistan by the Ankara government in order to put the British in a difficult situation in Afghanistan and to increase their recognition. 78.174.205.204 (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The turkish supported size is so exaggrated 

message: At this point just say turks are the bad guys and the rest of them are good guys. Taking armenian death numbers from an armenian communist counsil member is not objective , saying 15000+ deaths in turkish side is so funny while writing 35000 thousand villages were burned to ground , making up numbers when it comes to entente but decraising incredibly when it comes to turkish side. 14:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: true bro, they are also exaggrating the turkish side. 78.174.205.204 (talk) 15:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who made this numbers