Talk:John Rabe

message: I'd just like to make certain whether the packages that Rabe received while in poverty came from the Chinese government, as this article says (and also whether any "money parcels" were sent. This wikipedia article is the only one I can find that asserts so). 
At http://www.moreorless.au.com/heroes/rabe.html it states that the packages came from colleagues (and that they were cut off in 1949). http://www.ideajournal.com/articles.php?id=22 says that he survived by bartering away his collection of chinese art for food, and http://www.jhu.edu/~jhumag/1197web/nanking.html just refers to "those in Nanking". Is it possible to find out exactly where the money came from?
:The Chinese wikipedia says the support was cut off after the ROC government retreated from Nanjing.--Skyfiler 03:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  food and money parcels 

message: Though it would only be logical to assume thus, I would like to ask someone in the know whether Rabe's war diaries were published (or indeed, written) originally in German, or English? --Ishikawa Minoru 19:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Man of Nanking 

message: German Wikipedia says he died in 1950, what is correct ? 85.178.25.253 07:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of Death 

message: Rabe's poor treatment by the Anglo-Americans shows how little real concern they had for their wartime Chinese allies and the principles they (the Anglo-Americans) claimed to have fought for. His "denazification" took a whole year, and afterwards he was ignored and allowed to live in a state of unemployment and poverty. If the Anglo-Americans had had genuine concern for "universal human rights" they would have found Rabe a perfect person to employ in their administration of Occupied Germany. It is reasonable to assume that the stress of first internment, and following that  poverty and forced idleness, likely contributed to his death from stroke.
 
Just consider: his record of activism on behalf of human rights was far superior to that of nearly all winners of the Nobel Peace Prize.Falange (talk) 16:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're an idiot.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.146.160.51 (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Unknown IP, you need to refine your shoah-business. Currently it is too obvious and thus not very effective. regards, 89.204.135.52 (talk) 22:09, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

text: 
Nobel Peace Prize winner - completely agree ! 
Rabe and a handful of the individuals who chose to risk their lives in order to save more all deserve Nobel Prizes and high regard. 
They were all under the extremely horrible conditions created by the Imperial Japanese Army. Salute to them all 
http://www.library.yale.edu/div/Nanking/about.html
Meanwhile, as pointed out by H.J. Timperley (British author/ reporter for the Manchester Guardian) in Feb 1938,
It was just easy to imagine the plight of the populace of other invaded cities and areas where Rabe and others did not happen to live in.
http://divdl.library.yale.edu/ydlchina/images%5CNMP0093.pdf
Friend2008 (talk) 04:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Allied Hypocrisy

message: "who used his Nazi party membership for humanitarian purposes"
This statement begs more questions than it answers and shouldn't be in the lead. 220.255.7.179 (talk) 16:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What does this mean?

message: When did he join the Nazi party? --Error (talk) 01:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: When did he join?

message: His first name seems to be consistently given as "John", even in German.  That's a bit surprising; is there some explanation?  Did he have English ancestry?  Was he originally born as Johann or Johannes and adopted "John" during his expatriate years in China? --Saforrest (talk) 06:17, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: John is an old Low German variant of Johannes, particularly popular in Hamburg, Rabe's birth place. Teodorico (talk) 17:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well then it shouldn't be pronounced like in English,more like [joːn]! --Popolfi (talk) 01:12, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: John?

message: There are no references, so I added . If someone has a bit of time on their hands, this bbc article can be used to add info as well as back up some of the text already included. -M.Nelson (talk) 06:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  no 
references
 footnotes 

message: According to Florian Gallenberger's current film about John Rabe, the idea of a safety zone came from Georg Rosen, a German diplomat of partly Jewish anchestry. A German diplomat of Jewish background in 1937 - at first sight this sounds unbelievable and owed to typical film genres such as the typical Nazi Fließ in this film, an imaginary figure at the location, created only for the purpose of showing the difference to the member of the Nazi party John Rabe. But Georg Rosen was no artificial character! He really existed and made desperate efforts to show his government, what happened in Nanking.
He also sent a detailed report with a copy of John Magee's film to his government and demanded, it to be handed over to Hitler. It's hard to say, what he expected. Like Rabe, a great deal of his knowledge of Nazi Germany originated from propaganda newspapers, which drew Hitler as a superman or a kind of a messiah. I think, he didn't really believe this, but made an attempt, to be sure. He more clutched at straws. The only result of his efforts was, that he was fired.    
As my English is not good, I'd suggest, someone creates an article about Georg Rosen (diplomat) . There is already a short article existing in German language.
--Henrig (talk) 10:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A new article was launched today on the English Wiki, (based on a translation from the former German one which has been deleted): see Georg Rosen (German diplomat & scholar, 1895–1961).  Best: HarryZilber (talk) 18:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine. In my opinion the article will now, after the film, scarcely be deleted again. --Henrig (talk) 19:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Georg Rosen (Diplomat) 

message: I've corrected the explanation at "Chiune Sugihara" from 
"Japanese vice-consul in Lithuania who helped thousands of Jews, escape the Nazi-occupied country." to
"Japanese vice-consul in Lithuania who helped thousands of Jews, to escape the then Stalinist- (but afterwards Nazi-) occupied country."
Religious Jews were terrified of Stalinist oppression and persecution, but as a result of the Nazi occupation afterwards, they in the end were saved before the holocaust.
This doesn't reduce Sugihara's earnings in the slightest way! He just tried, to help human beings, who felt in danger. 
--Henrig (talk) 13:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chiune Sugihara  

message: Hi All - I've returned to look at this article after I guess more than five years.  I was the one that added the link to Sugihara.  This person's case does not seem to have featured in the argument here about relevance/irrelevance of "see also" links.  Sugihara was almost an exact opposite of Rabe, an official member of the Bad Japanese establishment, in another country, during the war, who used his official standing to help members of a group cruely persecuted by the Bad Japanese's allies, the Bad Germans.  I respectfully propose that the case for the relevance of the Sugihara link differs from the case for case for relevance of links to the other foreign humanitarians that were discussed here.  115.64.142.162 (talk) 02:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Sugihara

message: Damiens.rf, you have erred by stating that the descriptions of the Nanking Massacre were not 'atrocities', which resulted in your changes being reverted.  The atrocities, which you describe as 'actions' are well documented even within Wikipedia's various articles.  For example, the introduction to Nanking Massacre reads:  "The Nanking Massacre or Nanjing Massacre, also known as the Rape of Nanking, was a mass murder and war rape ...."
Mass murder and war rape of civilians are atrocities by any definition. Your revisionism is not compliant to Wikipedia's proscription of WP:Censorship.
If you can cite reliable sources that  mass murder and war rape never occurred at Nanking during the war you are free to do so, but until then do not revise history.  HarryZilber (talk) 22:14, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Atrocities' at Nanjing are well document, not propaganda 

message: Has anyone any idea what the initials HD on John Rabe's tombstone stand for? DORC (talk) 11:07, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Heinrich Detlev - This according to a source given on Rabe's German page: * , http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0001/bsb00016339/images/index.html?seite=79  Alandeus (talk) 13:36, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we add it in the main article? DORC (talk) 07:28, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: HD in John HD Rabe

message: The image of the tombstone has two German words.
"unvergesslich" means "unforgettable", and "unersetzlich" means "irreplaceable".
Toolsa (talk) 04:33, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tombstone Image  

message: I would like to question whether the International Safety Zone included Nanjing University.  It Certainly was located at Jinling Women's College which is now the Sui Yuan Campus of Nanjing Normal University.
Ian  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shangyien (talk • contribs) 01:52, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Location of the Safety Zone

message: DOB and date of death switched around.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.172.230.207 (talk) 16:39, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth and death dates changed

message: It is vaguely mentioned in the article, but I think this fact should be mentioned already where Nanking is mentioned the first time. I believe the reason for John Rabe's (and other European & Americans) presence in this particular city, was that it was the Capital of China. Boeing720 (talk) 00:39, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nanking was the Capital city, during this events 

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message: I don't think Rabe was a typical NSDAP member. He worked for Siemens and arrived in China already in 1908. And even by 1933 or 1937 it wasn't a 10 hour flight home to Germany, but sooner a couple of months at sea - for a single journey. Presumably he joined the party without much knowledge about Hitler and the Nazists. It may well have been expected of him to join, from his employers as he was the company's primary man in China's Capital city of that time. Boeing720 (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi member - but moved to China in 1908... 

message: This phrase suggests that the name of the city was changed. In fact, Nanking and Nanjing are just different romanizations (Wade-Giles and pinyin, respectively) of the same Chinese characters. Nanjing is more modern and "correct" but Nanking is still used a lot in western literature. My suggestion is to change the phrase to "Nanjing (alternatively, Nanking)" or vice versa in the first mention and use the dominate one consistently throughout the article, but I'll leave it up to the editors.162.237.20.52 (talk) 02:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done I've changed it all to Nanking to be time consistent FlalfTalk 16:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Nanking (now Nanjing)" 

message: The footnotes provided in this article are few and far in between; most sections rely in one footnote only, and the section about his 'death and legacy' has no footnotes at all. Especially footnotes 12 and 13 come from apparently an NPR documentary, without mentioning the exact source. AFAIC, citing this particular organization (NPR) is in itself problematic given the organization's biased political affiliation (said as politically correct as I could). Xwpis ONOMA (talk) 17:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes !?!