Talk:Puntland

message: Puntland consists of: Bari, nugal, sool, Sanaag and Mudug. It's population is around 4,850,000  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afgoray (talk • contribs) 03:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Regions

message: Please stop deleting entries! related to Puntland Independence Movement  . Puntland Independence Movement (PIM) seeks the restoration of the sovereignty of Puntland State (formerly known as the Northern Sultanates ). 
If you have an issue with this organization you may organize an opposing group and fight the political war. Deleting the entry is just waste of time for all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaa1371 (talk • contribs) 11:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Politics

message: I have removed the external links to non-English websites, as this is, after all, the English Wikipedia. Somali language websites are better suited for the Somali Wikipedia. I have based this on the Manual of Style (links) and this discussion. I've also removed websites that seem to have lost their domain names, and one that mirrored a UN document (opting to link directly to the source instead). Thanks. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 00:39, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Could someone explain why there is a different flag on the "Flags of unrecognized states" page? Hanshooyberghs 09:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly is the source for the flag on this page. FOTW supports the "light blue Somalian" design:  --Himasaram 22:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Flag 

message: The أرض البنط at the top of the infobox is in Arabic (ard al-bunt or whatever), but I assume Arabic is not actually the language spoken by the majority of the inhabitants of the area... AnonMoos 14:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Endonym

message: The introduction states that "Like neighbouring Somaliland, [Puntland] does seek outright independence from Somalia", yet the History section states that "Unlike the self-declared state of Somaliland, Puntland is not trying to obtain international recognition as a nation". This seems to be a contradiction; I hope that someone who knows more than I do about Puntland's desires for self-governance will rectify this. Xinophiliac 16:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Puntland is not seeking independence, so the history section is correct. --Ingoman 22:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Puntland is seeking outright indipendance and the inacuracy has been fixed--Somali123 17:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Somali123, please cite your source regarding Puntland seeking independence. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know why this guy is trying to confuse things, but that's untrue.  A brief look on Puntland's own government website explains their policy on autonomy quite clearly.  Look at section 1.2 here.  Somalis need to stop trying to take advantage of western ignorance on these matters. --Ingoman 19:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually Southie4life, that American Chronicle article is an opinion piece, which for obvious reasons is not allowed on Wikipedia (btw, you should read what that same author writes about Somaliland on that same website as well as others; something tells me you wouldn't, however, appreciate that. Here are examples, all the same: 1, 2, 3). And the BBC has never reported that Farole "used gunmen to take over parliament", which is why you never bothered linking to the article above. It has reported that "gunmen loyal to Planning Minister Abdurrahman Farole entered the building on Sunday, before being forced out by security forces on Monday", which I'm afraid is not the same thing. That is original research on your part and blatant misrepresentation. Middayexpress (talk) 04:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

text: And here is your response. Please respond there so that others may join in (instead of in this well-concealed section conveniently tucked mid-way up the page). Middayexpress (talk) 22:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: "Although it is a tribal-based separation under the presidency of Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed (deputy president of the Somali Salvation Democratic Front), Puntland is a region with clan confederation as one of its top priorities."
I do not understand what this means. Does it mean that it is a priority of the government to get the tribes to federate into clans?
Dudleymiles (talk) 19:09, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pure speculation on my part, but the way I read it, the clan(s) in Puntland are asserting their autonomy from other clans (in Mogadishu? Baidoa?), at the same time granting further autonomy at a local level among the various clans. I agree that it isn't clear; I'll also point out that it's unsourced. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

text: That's how I first read it, but I'm not sure "confederation" suggests a strong unity. Again, the whole sentence is unclear and unattributed. I propose deleting it unless someone else (e.g. the editor who posted it) can come along and clarify. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Puntland is founded on an alliance between the Harti Clan of the Darood, the Leelkase Clan of the Darood and a number of smaller Darood and Dir clans, of whom the Majerteen Subclan of the Harti Clan is the most powerful and dominates the presidency.  Clan (Tol) is a different concept to tribe (Qabiil) as the Tol is not strictly genealogical and includes the various clients and vassals of that lineage of the Qabiil.  Tribe (Qabiil) is a genealogical concept and is less applicable to politics, except where seniority of lineage and therefore leadership comes into the picture.  This state of affairs confuses even Somalis and to call it complex would be an understatement.  Essentially Puntland has taken the traditional and feudal institutions that made up the old feudal vassal/overlord system of premodern times and attempted (with some success I might add) to build a state out of it.  This is no different from the origin of France or Germany.  Ingoman (talk) 22:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tribes and clans 

message: Technically speaking the SSDF was an Ethiopian and indirectly Soviet-backed rebel group, their manifesto did include restoring democratic rule in Somalia and deposing Siad Barre however their later actions, especially after 1998, make them more of a Harti irredentist movement, a tendancy that solidified after the generalized balkanization of Somalia into clan territories.  Their original manifesto remains in force however as Puntland has successively been supportive of reviving a democratic Somali nation state, though the desire to do this while also retaining the Harti nation-state of Puntland within a broader federal framework has made for something of a schitzophrenic policy in this regard, as Puntland has sought to revive Somalia while at the same time refusing to cede any authority to the entity they are trying to revive.  Thus, the difficulty with labels.  Harti-first-Somali-second nationalists? Ingoman (talk) 20:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Views on the SSDF 

message: Kindly stop disrupting the Puntland article to make a point. You have just ruined the formatting of several passages in the article just to make a "point" (1, 2, 3, 4), one which is not supported by anything other than your imagination. You have no proof that Garoweonline is a "tribal" website, or that it is, as you say, "maintained by his son to expose mistakes of the former president." That is original research, just like your attempt to link the gunmen invading the parliament building to Farole's being sacked. The fact is, the "plot" to sack Farole hatched by Muse has been reported by several much more recent articles on several different websites besides Garoweonline, (another example: "When Muse engineered thereafter a parliament plot to sack him in February 2006, Farole supporters prohibited lawmakers from entering the parliament building in Garowe, the capital of Puntland." - Afrol.com), whereas the BBC article you are citing, by contrast, dates from the very month of the very year when that plot was being exercised i.e. February 2006. That is precisely when Garoweonline and the other recent sources indicate that the plot was being carried out: "When Muse engineered a parliament plot to sack him in February 2006, Farole supporters prohibited lawmakers from entering the parliament building in Garowe, the capital of Puntland." Also, in future, remember to be civil in your dealings with other wiki editors rather than engaging in wild accusations. Thanks, Middayexpress (talk) 03:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop disrupting the Puntland article to make a point

message: AcidSnow    how do you think this idea ? Two maps for each Puntland and Somaliland .  One Zoom out map showing their global position and and an other close up map showing  their location in Somalia. Dandaawi (talk) 18:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: What? Puntland is in Somalia, hence why the maps shows both their locations. AcidSnow (talk) 18:32, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Both are regions in Somalia. Anyways, have you used this site before? AcidSnow (talk) 18:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

text: Interesting. AcidSnow (talk) 19:06, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two maps 

message: it says area is 241 sq km?!
 Established
1 August 1998
Area
• Total
241[2] km2 (93 sq mi)
• Water (%)
21,711
later on it says 212,510 sq km
Puntland occupies a total land area of 212,510 km2[2] 
one of these is wrong?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abelljms (talk • contribs) 21:05, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  summary of puntland 

message: i want to add some important notes and an uploaded file which all supposed to be a constrictive. Johnyard (talk) 22:56, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Þjarkur (talk) 00:11, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2019 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: I regret very much that you created a new picture and used it in Wikipedia, even though it is still under discussion in Category talk:Disputed territory between Somaliland and Puntland. Have you found any new evidence for this picture?--Freetrashbox (talk) 10:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New picture? 

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message: 102.128.131.170 (talk) 14:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2022 

message: Dalka somaliya waxa soo marey 3 gumeste waxay kala ahaayen
1- Italy
2-britsh
3- kenaadid
Kenadid wuxu ka soo jeeda besha darood ee majerteen .1878 isagoo dooni wata waxa uu kadoo dagay degaanka hadda loo yaqaan hobyo halkaas ayuu ka noqdey suldaankii hobyo iyo gumestihi somaliga ahaa.
Muddo 22 sano ah ayuu joogey dhulkaas uu ku gumesan jirey besh hawiye 102.128.131.170 (talk) 14:25, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenadid 

message: https://www.barrons.com/news/somalia-s-puntland-shuns-federal-institutions-over-vote-reform-d8563fdb  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.24.65.15 (talk) 11:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puntland declares temporary independence 

message: X=As it is.
X=Remove the Category "States with limited recognition" as it is part of Somalia. 80.4.77.150 (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2024