Talk:Marathi people

message: Pl add brief biographies of prominent Maharashtrians.
mahawiki 14:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006

message: Can we get sources on Marathi people being primary in Goa- ie is Konkani= Marathi origin as well as sources to say Marathi people are "significant" in Mauritius as well as Israel. I think the total jews of Indian origin are miniscule in Israel. And I have no clue as to the numbers in Mauritius, but as the claim has been made, i am sure there would be reliable sources to back the claims. Haphar 13:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So let me tell you a few rules of wikipedia. If it cannot be sourced then a citation required tag can be put and then if the details are not provided the uncited comments can be deleted. for instance check the tag put in the start of this article:-  Not my rules, not my interpretation, pls check with an admin if you doubt me ( and Blnguyen seems to be on a break so try another admin User:Gurubrahma, or  User:Samir. Check the India article ( a featured article )- the Demographics section gives it's references .  So another article NOT conforming to this rule does not allow for this article to not adhere to the rules. You can ask for citations on those articles, and unless reliable sources are given ( for instance a blog discussion is not a reliable resource, neither is an obscure website not known to anyone else) you can remove the uncited content there also. Which is why superlatives like "director extraordiare" are POV and to be removed. You might know a famous personality and write stuff based on your knowledge, but that too would not be acceptable on wikipedia unless it can be backed up by sources. Haphar 17:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources required

message: Few users are resorting to systemized and synchronized vandalism here. Although User:Sarvagnya stopped adding senseless tags, few editors are still making statements before confirming facts. Anyways, I am not gonna waste time on that, but let me make a few points. 
As I said earlier, Zaheer Khan is from Maharashtra and is Marathi. Refer to my comment above. As for adding Farrokh Engineer and Karsan Ghavri, let me make it clear that this list is of Marathi people or people whose mother-tongue is Marathi or people of Marathi-origin, not of "people who reside in Maharashtra" or "Residents of Maharashtra". Farokkh Engineer and Karsan Ghavri, both do NOT speak Marathi. Their mother tongues are Farsi and Gujarathi respectively. Same thing applies for Shastri. If we include Residents of Maharashtra in this list, the list will become too long for Wikipedia. We would have to add Shahrukh Khan, Dino Morea, Shilpa Shetty (our Kannadi fanatic won't be happy then...;))...), Aishwarya Rai (I would be happy....;))...), Dilip Kumar and so on.... Tell me would they fit the definition of Marathi people. Also immigrants to Mumbai, never like calling themselves Maharashtrians or Marathi people. Another thing being this is an ethno-linguistic group, not a regional group. 
As far as Norman Pritchard is concerned, he was not the first Indian to win medal. He won in 1930s when India was still a British colony. After independence Jadhav was the first Indian to win medal. Please do NOT belittle the great man's achievements.
I think most things are clear now. From now on, in future, please discuss on talk page before removing authentic information as POV or adding tags.
--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 14:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Norman Pritchard did win it for India. Please mention " Independent India" if you want to make a claim of "first individual medal" and Maj Rathore also exists as an individual medal winner. Ratan Tata is born in Mumbai as were as his ancestors, that is different from a Shah Rukh who was born in Delhi and lived there till he was in his 20's. Raj Kapoor was not born in Maharashtra, though he stayed here, but Rishi /Randhir was as are their children ( ie Kareena) so none of them may be of your "original marathi stock" but compared to a Shah rukh or a Dilip kumar those born here in the state have a stronger claim to it. As mentioned if those born here speak the language do they qualify even if they are Parsi ?
And I dont know why Haphar added Balwinder Sandhu. He removed it though. 
Haphar, I know you are doing it in good faith, but the list should be limited to Marathi-speakers. If you want, we can create another article say "List of notable residents of Maharshtra" or something like that. You did a good job though. 
--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 15:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Systemized Vandalism

message: I have added new section 'Festivals' in this article.  Not sure whether we should keep it here or move it to other main articles like Maharashtra.  Work is still in progress...we may decide where it fits most and retain it either here or move it to appropriate article. Thanks!  
Info4all 23:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of new section 'Festivals' 

message: I think Gururaj Deshpande (sycamore) is Kanadi. Anyone agrees? - Parag Jagtap
This section and List of people from Maharashtra have a lot of duplicate entries. I thought of putting a merge notice, but then I realized that List of people from Maharashtra also includes a lot of non-Marathi-speaking people (such as Parsis and Gujaratis). But still, I feel duplicating such a long list is not good.  Any suggestions? utcursch | talk 15:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Marathi People 

message: Despite requests still have no response on sources for claim of "significant" Maratha population in Israel and Mauritius. Bene Israel as a percentage of Israel population is in decimal points. No info at all on Mauritius. Request sources. Had removed the word significant in infobox, even that has been put back. Please find a way of resolving this, possibilities are- find a source- remove word "significant" or remove Israel and Mauritius from the list.Haphar 13:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved Mauritius and Israel to "Other". Pls discuss before reverting. Haphar 15:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: An anonymous user has left this comment on my user page . I am copying it here to  carry on with the discussion:
 With regard to Marathi People -related ethnic groups , you "strictly speaking people can only be linguistically related". On what basis, you make this assertion ? i am a Maharastrian Deshastha . However, Kannada speaking Deshastha are so closely related that we never had problems getting married to each other !!.
I have requested 74.9.96.126 to continue the discussion here. There seems to be some confusion(to me or to him/her?) regarding the edit under question. So this has been my reply so far(on my user page):
OK first thing the edit summary you have written to me about "strictly speaking people can only be linguistically related" wasn't written by me but by User:AMbroodEY in this edit: 
If you are talking about my revert of your edit  then that was because related peoples section usually refers to the ethnic-racial categories to which a community belongs.
Request 74.9.96.126 to add his points here so we can discuss the issue. Thank you --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 13:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK it seems that the related groups category has become a very contested entry; so the editor of the template have removed that section. . So I guess that ends this issue.--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 05:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  disagreement regarding related ethnic groups 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 17:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: hi
mi deepali mala mns ch web var sadasya banayach ahe , mi kay kru,  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.58.51 (talk) 11:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: unfortunately this place is called wikipedia. This is not MNS's property and we do not direct people how and were they become MNS volunteers. you better keep away from here. --Onef9day (talk) 14:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  hi  

message: in the community section, the castism described,
i can clearly see the partiality given to CKPs, expressing their good people in that section, 
none of other castes great people are expressed here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.243.109.146 (talk) 13:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are free to edit this article but make sure what you add is relevant to this article and if possible add citation as well. Hope to see your contributions to wikipedia in general and this article in particular.  --Onef9day (talk) 14:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  is ths article is written by a CKP person 

message: Gavaskar,and Mayekar are surnames used by people who have their roots in Goa and who later migrated to Konkan and then Desh,during Portuguese rule,Gavaskars are from Gavshi and Mayekars are from Maye..
are they Marathi? or Konkani?
Nijgoykar (talk) 02:47, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  About surnames 

message: I wonder why Indo-Aryan term keeps repeating again and again when it is already used into intro section and opener. It looks so odd when one reads this article. I thing it needs some rework. General population can be considered as Indo-Aryan but Marathi community is a mixture of several smaller sections. Say Davidian(specially Kannadigas) and others like parsis, Israelis etc. also make a good composition of the community. Moreover marathis are not just aryans (i guess). they can be the greeks, Indo-Scythians, huns, Davidian and aryans. I think repeating Indo-Aryan again and again is useless to readers. and it is very sad to see just majority get hi-lights while minorities are left aside. --Swaminworld (talk) 04:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: However, every region in the world has ethnic groups. Ethnicity is not RACE at all. Ethnicity is defined by beliefs, culture, religion, lifestyle, geographic location and Nation. Sometimes Several ethnic groups overlap. For example Konkani being a sub ethnic group of Marathi, which itself is a subgroup to Umbrella Ethnic Group called Indo-Aryan. Indo-Aryan is not a RACE. It is just that someone gave it a name Indo-Aryan. You can call it Indo-Dravidian. In ancient times we did not have states like we have now. At that time people were lived in small groups and it is just a guess that some vedic sanskrit speaking people migrate to indian subcontinent and mingled with already living people. Migrations do happen all the time. Today many Marathi have migrated to other countries. BTW Konkani subgroup overlaps with Kannada Konkani subgroup too. Any ethnic group has subgroupings, sometimes overlapping with other ethnicities as well. Large population of MH and Guj is descendant of Indo-Scythians. It is not that they are purely Indo-Scythians. Whatever culture you see in western line today is result of long assimilation of several ethnicities giving birth to a unique sub ethnicities. Similarly you can see eastern part has different culture. Suppose today large population from Bengal  migrates to Pune, after several centuries a new ethnic group will develop pertaining qualities of both parent ethnic groups. It is just a question of how societies grow. Indo-Aryan is certainly not a RACE but surely an ethnic group. Refs : South Asian ethnic groups, Indo-Aryan peoples, Homosapiens. Please do not confuse  RACE with Self-Respect Movement or Dravidistan. --Onef9day Talk! 22:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of Indo-Aryan term 

message: ok i have created a template to represent marathi people better.--Onef9day Talk! 17:24, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: template

message: Half of the surnames mentioned here in this article as Marathi surnames are of Goan Konkani origin.
eg:Gavaskar,Madkaikar both Gavshi and Madkai are in Goa not in Maharashtra.
Nijgoykar (talk) 15:25, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marathi surnames 

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message: This guy has to be the most famous Marathi person in the USA. Why is he not mentioned?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.40.209.178 (talk) 22:25, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vikram Pandit 

message: It looks like the article is in a tone of unnecessary emphasis on the Indo-Aryan ethnicity. Marathis is actually Dravidian. So please rectify this mistake.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.245.162.223 (talk) 05:28, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary Use of Indo-Aryan 

message: The size of this section is clearly getting out of hand. We need some rules on  inclusion of a person in this section. Any suggestions ? For contemporary people, I would restrict it to eminent people like Lata or Sachin Tendulkar who have been honored with Bharat Ratna or Padma Vibhushan. Are Reitesh Deshmukh or Urmila Matondkar more noteworthy than say V. Shantaram or Nutan ?Jonathansammy (talk) 17:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of famous Maharashtrians 

message: I have removed almost the entire content of the "Martial tradition" section, which was basically a massive dose of synthesis trying to link the Maratha Empire to the Marathi people. The empire relied extensively on local treaties and armies, it did not govern from the centre and the extent to which Marathi people (as opposed to Maratha people) were key to its success was not explained. Do not try to coatrack puffery. - Sitush (talk) 21:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martial tradition 

message: This section needs serious revision. it reads more as history of rulers of Maharashtra rather than history of marathi people. Although related, there should be more on social history  of the community. Also, there is absolutely nothing about Marathi people under the British colonial rule and the period following Indian independenceJonathansammy (talk) 20:39, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, more details of history can be included, but as name of this article is Marathi people so there is difficult to find online sources regarding people specific history. We can improve History of Maharashtra. One should understand that this page is not about History of Maharashtra or Culture of Maharashtra or Maratha empire. Here more focus should be on Anthropology and Sociology of Marathi people. I think section of "caste" needs expansion, because there are far more communities or castes of Marathi people than mentioned in this article.--Human3015TALK  21:09, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

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message: Currently the naval arm of the Marathas has no mention at all, which certainly deserves a mention. Hence I am adding it (under History). Kindly do not make changes without discussing on talk page.
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thread_title: Maratha Navy

message: This article has now become a well refrenced article...so plz remove the template  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MansonT (talk • contribs) 18:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove template of citations for 'Verification' 

message: Please explain how does :File:Flag of the Maratha Empire.svg belong in the infobox? Marathi people and Maratha Empire are not the same thing. utcursch | talk 19:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: earlier this page used to show marathis in other countries with population but now it's showing only indian population  Menovus01 (talk) 16:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  marathi diaspora  

message: , Since the word 'Ghati' has a section to itself, I believe it can feature in the lede. It is used to refer to the villagers living along the Western Ghats. The word itself is not obviously that much pejorative like say "Bhaiya" in Maharashtra or as you have inferred in the edit summary, "The N word" for African-Americans. We can very well remove the word 'Pejorative' and can frame it like . Will it be OK? , would you weigh in? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:38, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term ''Ghati'' 

message: A new photo gallery section on notable Marathi people was added recently to this page, however if you check any Wikipedia featured or Good article on different peoples from around the world, you will not find any galleries of their respective famous people. See here  and   and If the goal is get this page to a Good article or featured article status, then I recommend we remove this gallery.List of Marathi people has photos that also appear in this gallery.Interested people can always go to that page to see a full list of famous marathi people.I have written a separate note to User:Morekar already but would like to have views of other editors in this matter too.Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 16:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo gallery of Notable people 

message: We have images related to wedding and death. It would be good to have images related to Barse, and Jawal. Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 19:56, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: आपका स्वागत है, जोनॅथन सॅमुएल। 176.60.50.218 (talk) 18:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marathi Hindu ceremonies