Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Beverages Task Force/Archive/Mixed Drinks 1

message: A cocktail is a distilled beverage mixed with another drink other than water. As such, beer mixes, shandies, and distilled beverages diluted with water are not considered to be cocktails. A spritzer is not usually considered to be a cocktail. Sangría is not a cocktail. It might be worthwhile going through all the cocktails and re-categorising those which do not belong in the cocktail category. SilkTork 15:40, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorting out what should be included under "Cocktails"

message: Some policy proposals to discuss:
* Drinks should only be classified as cocktails if they match the description "a distilled beverage mixed with another drink other than water" (as per SilkTork's suggestion above). Stelio 19:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Strategy

message: I'd like to point out that recipes are not considered appropriate for Wikipedia.  See Wp:not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information point 8.  The cocktails category gets lots of articles which are nothing but recipes for cocktails, lists of ingredients and instructions on how to mix them.  All of these articles get deleted or turned into redirects, if there is no way to turn them into actual articles.  We can and should have articles on notable cocktails, though.
A hint, to those considering writing cocktail articles.  If you can't find anything to say besides the ingredients and mixing instructions, don't create the article.  --Xyzzyplugh 20:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What not to do

message: Another thing to point out is the b:Bartending book on Wikibooks which has a chapter on cocktails. You can use  to link to wikibooks (usually from the "See also" section, if available). --Swift 23:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikibooks 

message: When deprecating the old  I came across a number of cocktails which weren't part of this project. Since I'm not an active member of it, I'll refrain from adding them, but rather list them below:
* Kamikaze (cocktail)
* Gimlet (cocktail)
* Ti'Punch
* Irish coffee
* Zombie cocktail
* Hanky-Panky cocktail
* Negroni
* Mint Julep
* Pink Gin
* Singapore Sling
* Daiquiri
* Caipirinha
* Brandy Alexander
* Sidecar cocktail
* Moscow Mule
* Screwdriver (cocktail)
* Rob Roy cocktail
* Cuba Libre
Another (slow) way to find missing cocktails would be to go to Cocktail and see what links there. --Swift 23:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More books 

message: Several of the items there do not fit the definition of cocktail mentioned above. -- Beardo 00:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All had beer except Brass Monkey, which I removed. ReverendG 01:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Cocktails with beer]] 

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thread_title:  Project directory 

message: Several past discussions(1)(2)(3) were concerned with how to deal with the many drinks that do not neatly fit within the strict definition of a "cocktail" (i.e., it must contain a distilled spirits).
I have been doing a lot of work with this topic, cleaning up many of the articles, lists, and categories. I propose creating an article called List of mixed drinks and branch out from there to List of cocktails, List of beer mixes, List of wine mixes (is that the best term to use?), List of non-alcoholic mixed drinks (with a redirect from List of non-alcoholic cocktails (which currently redirects to List of cocktails), List of shooters (essentially what the Mixed drink shooters and drink shots article is this right now, just rename it), List of mixers (if we can improve on it), and a links to Drinkware and Bar tools (isn't there already an article on this?). This would also require updating related categories and maybe even the project pages.
If there is consensus in making these changes (and if it makes sense to those "in the know", such as bartenders with years of experience), I would like to make those changes soon (say within a week), so that I can continue cleaning up things and sorting them where they really belong.
Any thoughts on this change? Does it make sense? Does it satisfy both the "purists" (who think non-alcoholic beverages do not belong on a list of true cocktails) and the "average Joes" (who don't know or don't care that a beer mix is not necessarily a cocktail)? Any suggestions for different list names, or are those good? I don't want to break everything down so small we end up with lots of stubby lists, but the current List of cocktails is the opposite extreme. --Willscrlt 06:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Lists to Fix Problems

message: I rather boldly edited the Project's main page. Yes, it's loaded with things that I think are important. I am not the Project, however. I am only a member, only have one vote in matters, and I am very willing to go with the majority decision on what should and should not be a part of this project and its organization. That being said, I am currently doing most of the gnome work on cleaning up the Project's articles, lists, and categories. I have read a lot of the talk pages and understand many of the concerns that have been expressed. I hope that my current vision of the Project is well accepted by the other Project members. I also hope I have made it sound a bit more fun and enjoyable. The previous main page looked pretty much like the unedited template that it was. It needed help (like so many things around here), so I helped out. Please don't flame me fore it. Just speak up with your own suggestions, and let's change this from a one-person show to an interactive and fun Project in which everyone gets more involved. (I really do not want to do this alone. I have plenty of other interests on which I would like to spend my free time.) Thanks! --Willscrlt 12:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Project Page Feedback

message: I've spent the longer part of a week cleaning up the List of cocktails article (along with many other related ones). I am going to take a break for a bit and resume my "normal" life for a while. Hopefully other Wikipedians will pitch in and continue the cleaning and improving of those articles while I am away. I plan to check in on the WikiProject Cocktails occasionally in case anyone has questions or comments for me. Thanks! --Willscrlt 05:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Taking a break

message: I am not clear that Wikipedia:WikiProject Cocktails/Templates/WPMixedDB-merged meets the criteria in WP:CSD --Henrygb 01:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have carefully reviewed the WP:CSD in that light, and I see you are definitely correct. Sorry about that. I have created a new template Wikipedia:WikiProject Cocktails/Templates/WPMixedProd-merged, which will hopefully meet all the requirements for deleting such pages. Fortunately, it was much easier to make that change than creating the original template. :-) Thank you for catching that, especially before I started tagging a lot of articles with it. --Willscrlt 04:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Speedy deletion

message: A couple sites that give information or history of or about cocktails which may be of use to the project,
*Museum of the American Cocktail
*Drink Boy: Adventures in Cocktails
-- Ari 19:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. I will have to check that out. :-) Is all the information at Webtender GFDL licensed, or at least something compatible with GFDL? I suppose so if some of it originally came from the English Wikipedia. Thanks for the info. --Willscrlt 23:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible resources 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.  Badbilltucker 22:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards