Talk:FIBA Basketball World Cup

message: I like the idea, thanks to whoever found all the names of the players, but it should be cleaned up a bit. What does everyone think of turning the "look" of the article into more of a FIFA world cup look. Such as having First and Second place teams, and the links to the teams lead to their basketball teams. That's going to take some work, but is anyone up for it. And if not, what do you think? --Hurricane Angel 01:20, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: World Basketball Champions' Teams

message: Shouldn't it be "Third Place Game" or "Third Place Playoff"?  We have basketball games, not basketball matches. --Howard the Duck 13:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it already. --Howard the Duck 05:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Third Place Match" 

message: Strangely, according to the FIBA web site (in spanish) Brazil has 5 championships and Argentina two:
http://www.fiba2006.fiba.com/pages/esp/fe/06_wcm/pres/hist/allTimeMeda.asp?selNodeID=725&openNodeIDs=725&level2MenuBgColor=%23B30707&level2MenuBorderColor=white&level2MenuHlBgColor=white&level2MenuHlTextColor=black&level2MenuTextColor=white&level3MenuBgColor=white&level3MenuBorderColor=black&level3MenuHlBgColor=black&level3MenuHlTextColor=%23B30707&level3MenuTextColor=black&roundID=3507&selTopLevNodeID=715
Does anybody know what happened in those years, and why is different depending on the web site language?
: I counted them, and Wiki is consistent with the list. --Howard the Duck 16:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Champions 

message: Shouldn't this article be moved to FIBA World Championship? "Basketball World Championship" Only seems to be a nickname for the said tournament. "FIBA World Championship" is the official name of the tournament.
: User:Mkr moved it already. --Howard the Duck 16:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title: FIBA World Championship

message: I'm planning to create a map but there are many defunct countries... --Howard the Duck 16:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created a map. If there are some omissions, post on the Image's discussion page or at my talk page. Thanks. --Howard the Duck 05:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: I self-reverted the "Comprehensive team results in each World Championship" section but it was a duplicate of the same section found at National team appearances in the FIBA World Championship. --Howard the Duck 02:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert 

message: The Spanish Wikipedia has articles for each and every tourney. If anyone has Spanish skills (mine is very bad), it'll be great if they're translated. --Howard the Duck 16:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tournament articles 

message: "The World Championship gold medal is considered to be just as prestigious as the Olympic Basketball Tournament gold medal." Are you kidding? The players that show up, the size of the crowds, and the television viewership numbers would all strongly disagree—that's just silly. Fridgey34 (talk) 13:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in complete agreement with Fridgey34. And the choice of "source" (or reference) is hardly authoritative. I would say the opposite of the article's statement is much closer to the truth. Therefore I have hidden the sentence, with plans to delete it after enough time on this discussion board.--SidP (talk) 01:31, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Coach K had a good answer when he was asked about this. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 02:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prestige 

message: And in the table below says the States are number 1 with 3 gold medals, and Yugoslavia is number 2 with also 3 golds (when it's clearly Yugoslavia won 5 gold medals).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.73.32.45 (talk) 06:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yugoslavia won 5 gold ones 

message: Apologies for jumping the gun with this edit, where I separated achievements of Yugoslavia national basketball team from Serbia and Montenegro national basketball team (note where the latter redirects). I should have known better to check the talk page first (well, not that I found anything unexpected). However, I merely brought the table in concordance with our own treatment of those teams, so whatever mess FIBA has made with those rankings should not concern us too much. It matches the one found at  so I added them as a more convenient source to check (no particular opinion whether they satisfy WP:RS, but they're apparently better at counting than FIBA ;) ).
I'm also inclined to reduce the painful editorializing in the #Medal table section, explaining all the minutia how and when FIBA changed their rankings and how they misspelled "Yugoslavia" and miscalculated US medals. Per WP:CALC, we are permitted to do routine calculations, such as adding up medals, according to team classification brought up by consensus (and I hope we have one for the changes I introduced). No such user (talk) 12:34, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Your first edit was perfectly right, with your second one you brought errors into the article.  is certainly no appropriate and convenient source for that. Only FIBA has to decide which medals count for which country and that is well cited in the article. Here is the source we have to follow: . "Our own" treatment of the team's pages need to be changed not vice versa.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 14:49, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

text: How can you say that some private site can be better at counting than FIBA????????--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 14:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hold on. I made the change in good faith and explained myself on the talk page. FIBA seems to change their mind every so often, and it is contradictory to how our articles are organized: Yugoslavia national basketball team stops at 1991, while Serbia and Montenegro national basketball team redirects to Serbia national basketball team. After the last round of reverts at the latter, S&M medals are not accounted for on any article. Either we split all articles, or keep S&M achievements under Serbia, its legal successor, as we did for Serbia and Montenegro national handball team, Serbia and Montenegro men's national volleyball team Serbia and Montenegro national water polo team (but not Serbia and Montenegro national football team, which is separate). What FIBA did on that page makes the least sense: they summed up all the medals for "Yugoslavia", and there is broad consensus on other sports teams and articles that Yugoslavia≠FR Yugoslavia, rump country having about the third of territory of population. I don't think this is a tenable situation, and we cannot just parrot the international federations, because they're often inconsistent among themselves and even within themselves (FIBA in particular, quote: ). It seems we would need a broad RfC, all-round edit-warring is really problematic. No such user (talk) 15:47, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: And another point: please refer to Talk:Serbia men's national basketball team#Final disscussion: Results/medals history, and FIBA's medal history from 2006 linked therein . Apparently, "some private site can be better at counting than FIBA" (as evidenced from their USA miscount). I stand firmly of the opinion that FIBA's count in their latest whim should not be parroted. No such user (talk) 15:59, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikpedia has to follow FIBA as the world governing body of basketball, Wikipedia has not to judge whether FIBA is right in their decisions and FIBA only changed their mind once, not every so often. Your green quotation is from 2006 and obviously outdated and not the current point of view of FIBA. Every sporting governing body has it's own oppinion, so how the situation is in handball, volleyball, water polo or football is irrelevant to another sport. And I think is totally obvious that how our articles are organized is the sole personal oppinion of the authors. There is a reason why Wikipedia declares itself to be not a reliable source.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 16:03, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  is from 2006!!! I think that says everything, it's outdated. This is the actual medal table: --Anaxagoras13 (talk) 16:05, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

text:  – no it does not. WP:CONSENSUS and WP:CONTEXTMATTERS. Let's leave it at that for the moment. No such user (talk) 16:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course Wikipedia has, otherwise it's Original Research and personal oppinion!--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 16:13, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Counting medals comes under WP:CALC, "routine calculations", which is generally exempt from WP:OR. As to what to do when sources disagree, see WP:ASSERT. It is undisputed fact that SFR Yugoslavia has won 8 World Cup medals, FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro 2 and Serbia 1. How we present that information is subject to editorial consensus. No such user (talk) 16:21, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I already cited the ACTUAL medal table by FIBA twice, all other "self-contradictory " sources are from 2006 and please show me 12 of them. It is not our editorial consensus.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 16:26, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Non sources found yet?--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 18:21, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

text: Count the medals as FIBA the official world body counts them. Serbia started with 2007, that's how it should be counted. Prior to that it should be SFR Yugoslavia, and FR Yugoslavia (which should not be redirected to Serbia). The biggest problem here is that SFR Yugoslavia, FR Yugoslavia / Serbia Montenegro, and Serbia should all have separate articles. Serbian national team article should not be taking credit for when it was the nation of FR Yugoslavia. This is just basic common sense, and how FIBA counts it officially, which is the official way it factually is. I don't see how the personal opinions of site editors can be justified to overrule what are basic facts on that issue. None of this would be a problem, if we would just separate the FR Yugoslavia article from the Serbia article. Regardless, it was two different countries, and two different national team histories officially.Bluesangrel (talk) 20:19, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleting, wrong argument. Sorry. Asturkian (talk) 20:44, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

text: As a compromise, I support splitting SFRY, S&M and Serbia medals in the table in this article. That is obviously the correct thing to do, as the setup with merged SFRY and S&M medals is simply nonsensical (except for the name, those two countries have practically nothing in common), whatever FIBA published in their last show of incompetence. As for splitting S&M and Serbia articles, it makes sense, and I'm neutral on the issue, but good luck with that – I foresee you will encounter a strong pushback. No such user (talk) 08:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

text: The criteria is made by the governing bodies. FIFA treats it other than FIBA or FIVB or IRB, every sport is different. It's logical that we follow the governing body's policy on it, so it can be different for different sports.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 12:13, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The medal table you refer to  is generated from the database (SELECT * FROM medals WHERE country="YUG"), and is not particularly useful for jumping to conclusions. What we do know from their official statements is that  . What exactly happened with FR Yugoslavia after the suspension around 1995 is hard to ascertain. I think it's hard to ascertain what is their actual policy on the issue, and you're reading too much from a single page that does not provide any details as to the reasons. No such user (talk) 15:16, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

text: It is not up to us to judge whether FIBA is nonsensical or incompetent. Wikipedia do not jude but reflects knowledge and facts.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 12:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Separated SFRY from FRY+Serbia

message: You are all idiots or you do not understand the matter because you come from Estonia, Uruguay, Guatemala, etc. How can a Yugoslavia SFRJ with star on flag  that has fallen apart and ceased to exist in 1992 can win gold in 1998 and 2002. That was all won by Yugoslavia without a star  on the flag that is actually Serbia. And just so you know all the medals, trophies and cups are in the Basketball Federation of Serbia and in Serbia and Belgrade. And you here on wikipedia and FIBA ​​can run all sorts of inaccurate nonsense and pervert history.
:Gotta ask the idiots who run the tournament, and read the lengthy discussion above. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  FR Yugoslavia medals belong to Serbia 
* https://www.fiba.basketball/news/PR-no-22-Montenegro-becomes-213th-FIBA-Member
Also u can see quiz about Serbia on FIBA official site 
* https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/news/test-your-eurobasket-knowledge-serbia-edition  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.228.99.46 (talk) 23:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  SCG and FR Yugoslavia is the same country. Check out this FIBA ​​presentation from EuroBasket 2022. Medals from 1995 belong to Serbia. This is official FIBA channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnkoQgKeUPk  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.140.150.116 (talk) 08:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: FIBA is saying two things at once; when it comes to actual medal tables, they actually have a medal table that we can follow without doing any WP:SYNTH. Let's follow that actual medal table used by FIBA. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:48, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

text:  Why don't we make two explanatory tables? (talk)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.4.36.182 (talk) 09:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Because FIBA provides one table only. That's the one we should stick with, not just create an imaginary one, which would just confuse readers anyways. Speun (talk) 22:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why is the volleyball world championship page not created according to the FIVB table (or European by CEV)? On the talk page you have proof that all the medals belong to Russia, but they are separated in the table. Also, FIBA ​​has not included any new data in the table since 2013.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.140.150.51 (talk) 13:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a valid reason, and I would not oppose that specific table to be removed from this article. All post-2013 data on that table is WP:OR. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  SFRJ is not SRJ but is SERBIA 

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