Talk:Gareth Thomas (rugby)

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message: This article reads like fanboy tripe, and needs to stick to the facts. LuciferMorgan (talk) 20:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed POV because article seems pretty neutral now and it has been a year since the POV was placed. Article lists facts, shows his achievements and his negative side. Ponty Pirate (talk) 11:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: Usually nicknames are not added unless they are well known and notable, some people say they should not be added at all but  am unsure where the actual info is about it, usually as long as they are not derogatory they do seem to be added, I think that this nickname is not particular notable and it should not really need so much prominence at the top of the article like that, any comments. Is this nickname well known and notable? Off2riorob (talk) 12:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway it's is not derogatory and was in a strong citation and is a bit better further down the article so thats ok too, regards and thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 13:01, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the section down before I saw your comment but I agree the nickname was given too much prominence near the top of the article. It seems a bit awkward in a separate 'nickname' section but I'm unsure where else in the article it could be merged into. Barret (talk) 13:15, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we had a good look at it and it is more or less harmless, might as well leave it as it is. Off2riorob (talk) 13:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

text: The local newspapers, the public, TV pundits all refer to him as Alfie. He gets called alfie more than Gareth Thomas. His autobiography is even called Alfie  Thatsitivehadenough (talk) 23:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname 

message: Thomas performs his 'Ayatollah' try celebration... is all that is in the citation .. and although you have removed some of the comment you still have this left  ..His way of celebrating tries by slapping his head comes from a popular celebration among Cardiff City supporters known as "the Ayatollah".
..So as I said, the content is not covered by the citation. Off2riorob (talk) 12:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My edit summary says captions. You may have missed the second image in the BBC article further down the page with the caption "Thomas' head-slapping try celebration routine comes from a Cardiff City fan favourite known as the 'Ayatollah'". Barret (talk) 12:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Oh yes, blooming heck, that is fine. Off2riorob (talk) 12:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gareth Thomas is a big Cardiff City fan and does the 'Ayatollah' when he scores a try. I typed "Gareth Thomas Try" into YOUTUBE and without searching the 1st video that comes up you can see him do the 'Ayatollah' at 25 seconds into the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UROtk0pBuc Thatsitivehadenough (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The ayatola

message: Three is a dispute between two editors, one of them thinks that this transfer speculation is worthy of inclusion and the other editor thinks it is  speculation that may never happen and that the content is unworthy of inclusion unless it actually happens.I think the header says it all, potentail of a swithch and some other club is interested in signing him, imo this is unworthy of inclusion uness of course it should actually happen, I have edited football articles and transfer speculation is kept out of those articles and I am sure it is the same with other sports, we never add such speculation. It says in the citation this...Thomas is understood to have held talks with the Crusaders, the Welsh Super League club who relocated from Bridgend to Wrexham last autumn, with a possibility his move could be confirmed this week. ..if it happens then we can happily wait a few days to see if it does. Off2riorob (talk) 22:59, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC, dispute over the insertion of transfer speculation story. 

message: The same editor is adding the transfer speculation the the Gavin Henderson rugby player biography here , please also consider leaving a comment at that RFC, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 15:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Related RFC

message: I've already argued this point on Gavin Henson's article. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball; it's not that I don't believe the BBC and their sources, but if it hasn't happened, it's not news-worthy. Wait for the event and then report on it, otherwise Ronaldo's article would be fifty percent speculation in the press. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are comparing apples and pears by throwing the round ball into the equation. There is a definite and concrete link between Thomas and the Crusaders, though no contract. With Henson the fact that he is not playing for the Ospreys and watched a vast number of the 2009 Crusaders home fixtures does make it newsworthy, with the article reflecting the fact that Henson has never come out and stated that he is looking to move to the summer game.This deal is getting worse all the time. (talk) 08:46, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether it's about football or rugby league is irrelevent. Neither WP:FOOTY nor WP:RL has any guideline suggesting that rife speculation is permitted in articles under their scopes. Until he has either publically declined the offer (which as far as I know from this story, is yet to actually exist anyway), or signed for Crusaders RL, this remains a heavily reported rumour, but a rumour nonetheless. Therefore, WP:CRYSTAL - no mention of this should currently exist in the article. GW(talk) 12:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
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message: according to the wikipedia page for highest try scorers, george north (as well as shane williams) are ahead of gareth thomas in tries scored for wales, putting him 3rd not 2nd. might be because this hasn't been updated in a while and north is an active player  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.112.182.104 (talk) 15:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd highest try scorer 

message: I do not understand why this article goes to the trouble of mentioning Thomas's former wife Jemma, their divorce, and even her miscarriages while simultaneously remaining dead silent on Thomas's subsequent relationships (notably with men rather than women) and subsequent marriage. Worse, the vast majority of biographical articles on Wikipedia *do* include the names of spouses, yet here there is zero mention of the fact that Gareth Thomas is currently married ... to a man. Perhaps it is not mentioned because he is married to a man? Is there any possibility that this omission is covert homophobia? This is especially concerning given the acrimonious discussion regarding whether or not to mention Thomas's sexuality in the lead of the article (it should be mentioned there). Or is it perhaps because Thomas's husband seems to be known in the media by two totally different names? Some name Thomas's husband as "Ian Baum," while others name him as "Stephen Williams Thomas." It is perhaps noteworthy that the name "Ian Baum" was used in older articles, whereas more recent articles use "Stephen Williams" or "Stephen Williams Thomas." The husband is always described as a very private person, so is it possible that "Ian Baum" was a pseudonym used prior to the marriage? I searched the internet for hours without being able to resolve this discrepancy. But "Ian Baum" and "Stephen Williams" do appear nearly identical in photographs. Because of the shift in name usage by the media, the "Baum" photographs are all older, so maybe any slight physical variation in Baum/Williams' appearance is due to aging? In any event, some intrepid contributor with access to better and accurate information needs to sort this out and edit the "Personal Life" section to include Gareth Thomas's current marriage. Shame on every previous editor of this article for not including the current marriage. DesertSkies120 (talk) 03:30, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Personal Life" and Relationships