Talk:Port Jackson

message: Since it's the world's greatest natural harbour, wouldn't it be sensible to attach a harbour chart for those of us less fortunate, but no less nautically inclined to oogle with envy?  Heck, I thought Boston Harbor (Sorry Brits) was large.  Jan 26, 2005 fabartus@comcast.net — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.229.179 (talk) 04:04, 27 January 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But does Boston have a good Hinterland? Does this word appear on the Boston page? What are the tides like - weak or strong? Wimbledon32 (talk) 21:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

text: Maps: http://www.street-directory.com.au/nsw/sydney  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wimbledon32 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions

message: The addition of Boston Bay in SA is completely irrelevant to this article. It has been deleted. --J L C Leung 08:09, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Note many bodies of water in Australia are referenced back to the size of Sydney Harbour.  I don't disagree with the removal of the reference to Boston Bay and I assume the editor was being facetious.  The joke being a body of water x is y times the size of the Sydney Harbour - whatever that might mean.  For example: Lake Argyle (which is the Ord River Dam) .... "total storage capacity is 18 times that of Sydney Harbour"  !  or perhaps "8-13 times the size the volume of Sydney Harbour."  or yet perhaps "nine times the size of Sydney Harbour"  - great statistic - doesn't actually mean anything and we can't agree either.  Not confined to the Ord River system.  Warragamba dam is "4 times the size of Sydney Harbour"  - seems to be a generally agreed statistic :-).   To continue Lake Eucumbene in the  Snowy Mountain Scheme "holds nine times the volume of Sydney Harbour".  or perhaps thirteen times .  Not to drag on about the subject ...but Jervis Bay is at least 6 times bigger in volume (and 4 times bigger in area) than Sydney Harbour..  It seems a point worth making.  How "they" estimate the volume of the harbour - ie, what is included in the harbour for this statistic would be interesting.--AYArktos 09:55, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well what you have is a lot better than a one-liner that made zero sense. --J L C Leung 14:26, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  can't we get rid of that whole section???  What value does it provide? --Merbabu 15:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The comparison of bodies of water to Sydney Harbour is common in Australia and is worthwhile keeping.  The term 'sydharbs' is not commonly used however, as this is an encyclopedia it should be noted.  This is from a government website : 'If you thought that it might be the amount of water held in Sydney Harbour you would be right. This unit first became popular during the construction of the Snowy River Hydro-electric scheme during the 1950s and 60s. During this time many new dams were being built in remote locations in the Snowy Mountains, and were so big that it was easier to relate their size to a familiar body of water (Sydney Harbour) than to quote a very large number of cubic feet or gigalitres. The volume of a Sydharb (at high tide) has been calculated at 562,000 megalitres.' - Ctbolt 06:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  "Sydney Harbour" is a convenient unit like Astronomical Unit being the distance from the Earth to the Sun. Wimbledon32 (talk) 04:07, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  body of water x is y times the size of the Sydney Harbour 

message: This article makes the following assertion, without any reference to sources:
: Several other islands have been linked to the shore by land reclamation, while one island has been completely reclaimed from undersea rocks, Fort Denison.
Yet the actual article Fort Denison says:
: Fort Denison is a defensive facility occupying a small island located north of the Royal Botanical Gardens in Sydney Harbour. Originally named Pinchgut (possibly owing to the poor quality and quantity of food given to imprisoned convicts), the island was used as a place of confinement for recalcitrant convicts during the early period of British settlement. The fortress, which features a distinctive martello tower, was built in the mid 19th century as a defence against a feared Russian invasion during the period of the Crimean War, and occupies the entire island.
This makes it clear the island predates the fort. And it seems vanishingly unlikely that anybody in the early days of settlement would have gone to the trouble of creating an artificial island, just so as to imprison convicts on it.
Can somebody explain this apparent contradiction, please. -- Chris j wood 20:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The harbour has/had about 15 other islands to choose from. Wimbledon32 (talk) 21:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

text: This article is wrong. - Randwicked 02:57, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding was that some of Fort Denison is reclaimed land. I've never heard that it was totally undersea though. --Alexxx1 22:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done quite a major overhaul of the article using a couple of very credible sources. The island can be traced back to pre-European settlement when it was a 15 meter high rock. The Aboriginal names for the island are now in the article. Post-settlement, the rock was quarried for the building of Circular Quay and the island flattened to the current level. When the fortifications were built, the rock was sourced from nearby Neutral Bay. According to the sources I found, the island had been used as a penal site since settlers arrived. amitch 23:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fort Denison totally reclaimed from undersea rocks? 

message: The latest edit to the article was to change every Port Jackson to Port Jackson Bay.
Is it really necessary for the article to says 'Port Jackson Bay', every time the subject is mentioned. It's very repetitive. And if so, shouldn't the article itself be renamed Port Jackson Bay? 
It is certainly known colloquially as Port Jackson, so I think a better approach would be to explain in the article that 'Port Jackson Bay' is the official name but almost nobody actually says 'Bay'.
I should have signed this. --Alexxx1 (talk/contribs) 05:51, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's ever been called "Port Jackson Bay" by anyone. I'm reverting this. Randwicked 12:15, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Port Jackson Bay? ha ha.  where is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merbabu (talk • contribs) 15:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the official name is 'Port Jackson' - so there's absolutely no reason to call it 'Port Jackson Bay' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.125.131 (talk) 11:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Agreed. Bays like Botany Bay tend to be roundish; Port Jackson is not round at all; it is a fingered Harbour. Wimbledon32 (talk) 22:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Port Jackson vs Port Jackson Bay

message: Apart from the problems with unsourced comments, does this article actually gain anything by having a tourism section? JPD (talk) 18:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing! And we can all guess who added it.  No tourist ever visits Port Jackson, so I've removed the section  --Steve 04:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When saying "no tourist ever visits Port Jackson", you must mean something different from how I read it, but I'm glad the section is gone, anyway. JPD (talk) 09:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant that no tourist ever visits their travel agent to book a holiday in "Port Jackson", they know it as "Sydney".  My meaning was indeed unclear. --Steve 23:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourism section 

message: The authors of this article might want to read this discussion.  Why is Sydney Harbour redirected to Port Jackson?  They are not the same thing. John Dalton 21:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A redirect does not necessarily mean that they are the same thing, simply that the topic is covered fully in the article the redirect points to. I don't think there is a need for separate articles here, although the difference should be spelt out. JPD (talk) 10:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sydney Harbour != Port Jackson

message: Should there be a Sydney Harbour Category for articles related to Sydney Harbour or areas on the shores of Sydney Harbour and so on. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 00:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category

message: Should we include this image?
I was wondering if an image of Red Sails in the Sunset, the 1984 album by Midnight Oil, should be included on this page. It's certainly a striking image, and it shows a large portion of the area. But then I thought: maybe the nature of the image would detract from the overall article, or if not, there should be some other artistic depictions of the harbour/port to represent other aspects...what do you all think? Egpetersen (talk) 01:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As much as I love the band and agree that the pic was at the time a big talking point, I don't see any need for it here. There is no relevance. regards --Merbabu (talk) 02:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if it were an appropriate illustration, it would be very hard to justify its use under the non-free content policy. It's definitely not allowed on this talk page. JPD (talk) 03:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Midnight Oil image

message: In the Fortifications section, it mentions 'convict uprisings'. Convicts? What Convicts? To read this pretty piece one would be led to believe that convicts played no part in the history of Port Jackson. I am neither an historian nor an Australian; it would be great if someone who is both would fix this. James Galloway (talk) 18:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convicts 

message: Def. there should be some information in this article on recreational fishing, and also pollution (historically, by union carbide at homebush for example).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yugyug (talk • contribs) 12:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes there is quite a bit of environmental history to add.  According to this piece, there was an abattoir at Blackwattle Bay which was moved to Glebe Island, lots of dredging, silt buildups, reclaimed mudflats and invading mangrove colonies, none of which is mentioned in the article. - Shiftchange (talk) 14:53, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing topics 

message: Is a 'Sydharb' really an Australian unit of measurement?
I've lived in Sydney for 17 years and I never heard of such a thing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.30.23 (talk) 09:28, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Sydharb" is an abbreviation of the much more common Sydney Harbour as a unit of volumn. Wimbledon32 (talk) 19:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joke Section? 

message: and Wikipedia clearly states that SF Bay is a "harbor", here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbor  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.160.33.158 (talk) 14:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  SF Bay is larger 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: Port Jackson also as a good Hinterland. The land inland of the Port is mostly no higher than 200m above sea level, and consists of mainly sandstone which makes good foundations for buildings. In the Western direction it is 60km to the start of the Blue Mountains, which rise to just over 1000m at Mt. Victoria. There are few swamps. Does Boston have a good Hinterland? to reply to a claim above?    Wimbledon32 (talk) 20:59, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hinterland 

message: Hello all,
I have removed some highly dubious information which is contradicted by other, more reliable sources. The information removed is: "According to the book Lying for the Admiralty by Margaret Cameron-Ash Cook, following the Admiralty's secret orders, Cook kept secret this prize discovery, even from his crew.  In this Cook was successful."
This appears in a book by an amateur historian published by a minor publisher. The claim is absurd. Far from keeping Port Jackson a secret, Cook mentioned his discovery of Port Jackson in his journals and stated that it appeared to provide safe anchorage. This is correctly noted in the wikipedia article itself. I suggest that these claims belong in a new article "Conspiracy Theories about James Cook" Happy to discuss. --Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 23:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming Port Jackson 

message: Fact. 
Sydney harbour is a natural harbour.
Darwin harbour is a natural harbour.
Both Sydney & Darwin harbours are working harbours. 
Darwin imports & exports & also has very Large numbers of military vessels, way more then Sydney, due to Darwin’s close proximity to Asia, 
Sydney harbour size is 55km .
Darwin harbour is 3,227 square kilometres 
Darwin harbour is bigger & deeper, & hold more water. 
there is no way Sydney harbour is largest in the world it’s not every largest in Australia 49.184.174.13 (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about Port Jackson. It does not say that Sydney Harbour is the largest in the world. The figure of 3,227 square kilometres you quote is for the Darwin Harbour catchment, most of which is land. Please note that the purpose of this Talk page is to improve the article, not to discuss the relative size of various harbours around the world. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 23:43, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sydney harbour v Darwin harbour