Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender/Archive 9

message: Hi, people, I'm really new to editing. I saw this: http://www.filmspot.com/family/index.html?tag=recent;featured;img;4&om_act=convert&om_clk=gumballs . This is a legit source, I assume, and I don't know how to cite it. Someone who does, can you do that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.178.172 (talk) 21:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie Date 

message: Okay, if we're going to seriously discuss merging these pages, we need to summarise this giant blob of text here; the discussion is already a bit long to re-read, and looks like it isn't slowing down at all.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the two arguments boil down to:
For merging: The individual episode articles are unnecessary as they're largely long, badly written summaries that detract from Wikipedia in general or the Avatar project in particular.  A single page for each book gives newcomers a better glimpse of the series as a whole, would be more easily manageable, and by necessity would need to be much more compact than the rambling plot summaries we have now.
Against merging: The current List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes already contains short summaries of every episode divided into Book sections, giving that glimpse of the series as a whole, and keeping individual pages leaves room for much more than just summaries.  Wikipedia articles on TV shows aren't meant to just be plot summaries, but should present additional relevant information; individual articles leave room for notes on the shows production, explanation for events within each episode, etc.
Now, if my summaries weren't totally off and people don't have anything new to add (And people might, I'm not saying nobody does), I think we should begin to have a vote on merging or not merging.  Otherwise, this dicussion will just go on and on (and on) and there will never be a truly satisfactory resolution. JBK405 22:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arguments for/against merging

message: Normally i'm not one to fly off the handle like this, i keep a firm eye on anything that might be speculation and try to keep people from presenting it as fact. That said, I watch the artist Johann Matte- known as "Rufftoon" on DeviantArt -who some of my fellow Avatards might know works on the show. He posted in his [journal] a link to this which he claims is legitimate. I'd like people to arrive at a consensus about what to do on the articles here, in light of this, before anyone takes any action. Please consider [Avatar Spirit] indicates the information is accurate, and is generally a good resource. Lucky number 49 22:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This info is true, but no more should be done with  it on Wiki oother than what has already been done in the episodes page. -Dylan0513 23:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. (Rufftoon's female, btw.) Øřêōş 14:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see. The name threw me-- although I notice now that I misspelled it. Lucky number 49 15:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Season Three Information 

message: Apparently Paramount Home Entertainment (which puts out the Avatar DVDs) announced that the first DVD associated with the third season is due out October 30. So obviously the third season is supposed to start before then...
More importantly, though, is what the cover of that DVD looks like! Go to http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7629 and see -- SPOILERS. --Choi9999 11:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New details regarding Avatar's third season! 

message: When I reported this on Wikipedia's Avatar forum, I said that there was a 90% chance that this was the date. We don't know that this is fact or theory, but we will on July 28th, 2007. I suggest that we wait until then to start posting the premiere date. --Freespirit1981 01:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just like everything else from Jake's source, this should not be put on until confirmed by a source we can use for Wiki. that will be when they announce 9/21 at comic-con. Then we can put it in the article. -Dylan0513 01:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I also obviously think DF is right since I am an admin there, xD. The only thing we need to make sure about Comic-Con, when they announce the date, is that it is in an article or video that we can source. -Dylan0513 12:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I've removed the date and the bad reference. I don't know what was going on there, but as far as I'm concerned it was unsourced and, thus, went bye-bye.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  9/21/07 

message: According to the pages for The Library (Avatar: The Last Airbender) and The Earth King, the calendar of Wan Shi Tong listed the day of the next solar eclipse as 氜武龍年八月九日.  Unfortunately, the two pages list two different translations for those characters; The Library says August 1, The Earth King says August 9 (Actually, they translate it as 'Superior Military Dragon Year Eighth Month XXXXX Day,' but that equals out to August X).  I don't read Chinese, at all, so I've got no clue which translation is accurate (Or if either of them are), so I'm bringing it to the notice of the Avatar community (Which I'm sure has at least one Chinese speaker).  Which translation is correct, August 1 or August 9? JBK405 02:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 九日 = 9th day, so August 9. (Ghostexorcist 10:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  August 1 or 9? 

message: The Dai Li seem to be named after Dai Li, the leader of a "secret police force" that existed in China. If you don't believe me, just type in "Dai Li" into the search engine on this page. And, I know that Ghostexorcist will agree with me on this; he is an expert on this sort of thing. --Freespirit1981 00:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's mentioned as such on the page for City of Walls and Secrets. JBK405 00:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. :) Now we don't have to add this to an Avatar article. (I found this info by accident; I was looking for more info of THE Dai Li, and found the article about the man and not the secret police of Ba Sing Se.)--Freespirit1981 00:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a link at the top of Dai Li's page so people can read about Avatar's Dai Li.(Ghostexorcist 06:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Dai Li 

message: Why is avatar the last airbender so important in wikipedia? let me guess, because of it's action? Jimblack 22:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How are you judging importance, and what would action have to do with the matter? If you mean the amount of detail and the number of edits related to it, i would suggest that it is partly because a large number of the fans had or have made accounts, and tend to be fairly passionate, as well as the creators being very open to discussing and confirming or denying speculation. There's a lot more to draw on in terms of demonstrable facts in this series than in many other cartoons, and the facts that with which wiki editors are most concerned. Lucky number 49 03:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Avatar isn't important in Wikipedia.  If you're asking why people are interested in it more than they are in some other show, well, that's because they are.  Wikipedia's growth rate is often...unusual.  There are subjects that get no interest, and ones that get a lot.  Sometimes too much.  As far as it goes, I don't think the level of coverage is expressly inappropriate for this series.  I wouldn't say the "action" component is a factor in many people's interest though, but I could be wrong.  FrozenPurpleCube 05:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Avatar so important in wikipedia 

message: How bout I start an article entitled: Four Nations because it can be a pretty necissary topic because it is the main theme in the show. Jimblack 21:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four Nations Article 

message: Someone put in the Momo section of the article for major secondary characters that Momo was originally supposed "to be a robot named 'Momo 3' ". This must have been someone's idea of a joke, since I have heard nothing outside the article about this. No one is answering my section that I made on the Talk page of that article, so I thought I'd come here. So, am I right about this?--Freespirit1981 03:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not impossible that it's true, however, the only source for the information I could find is the equally invalid  so I'd say the proper action would be to remove it.  FrozenPurpleCube 05:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. In fact, I think Mister's link is just a rehash of material from the major secondary character's article. (Ghostexorcist 06:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't miss a beat do ya? Oy, just look at this thing-  They give the specific name for him in another article but I don't have the scan for that. Either way, there ya go. Father's Wish II 25 July 2007 (UTC)
OK! Now I see! So, it was true after all! :) Thanks! I'm glad, however, that the creators changed it. --Freespirit1981 19:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Robot Named "Momo 3"?! 

message: It's just trivia with a different name. Most of it isn't notable. So I think they should all be removed. Many people are going to say that the information should be incorporated into the article, but it's not necessary. Millancad 01:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But articles should not have trivia sections. Millancad 01:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The manual of style says "Do not use bullets if the passage reads easily using plain paragraphs or indented paragraphs," and I don't see the purpose given for these lists in WP:LISTS. From what I've seen; the information that needs to could be put in to leads, the rest can be removed. Millancad 02:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: So, I decided to try to find a standard for how an article on an episode should look. The featured article I found on an episode was Pilot (House). The article contains no lists. So maybe, instead of "Production Notes" we could do something like their Behind the scenes section. I'm quite sure that the DVD releases come with commentary on a few of the episodes, if not all, and I know that the Pilot for Avatar has commentary. Millancad 02:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Turns out today's featured article is on an episode! What larks! So it has no lists either. Just wanted to have another reference point, I'd say. I'm going to start consolidating the information into paragraphs and removing what's unnecessary. Millancad 23:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm going on wikibreak for a week, so none of that will be done now, Just to alert you. Millancad 07:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production notes on Episode articles 

message: Link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=0_-OscwkFnQ
This thing is genuine (unlike those other stupid annoying, misleading trailers on YouTube) and, as far as I can tell, most probably from Comic Con or some other convention. It's pretty much undiscovered - at the time of this post there were less than a hundred views. Signal2noize 08:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Errr...didn't see the section above this one, did you?--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woot! Genuine 3rd season trailer!!! 

message: the new season is book FOUR -.- it was air the first book, water the 2nd, earth the 3rd, and the new season will be the FOURTH, fire. >:( 72.84.25.208 14:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, no. There is no season Air. The upcoming 3rd season is fire. -Dylan0513 16:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I think you're thinking of the Avatar cycle. Yeah, and there is no Book of Air, sorry. Bagpipeturtle 19:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If they do a Season 4, Book 4: Air would be a likely title.Gamloverks 01:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But there'll be no season 4 for this series. It will become part of a multiverse (If the producers get their way.) But it won't contiue with Aang, Katara, Sokka, Toph, Zuko, and the rest of them. 70.159.109.26 14:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wtf i think theres been a serious mixup here 

message: Anyone willing to incorporate this headline?  Also, just a note, I would discourage the creation of a separate film article per notability guidelines for films.  In the film industry, a lot of factors can halt a project (see Jurassic Park IV and Logan's Run (2010 film) for a couple of examples), so if this Avatar film enters production, a stand-alone article can be warranted. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film 

message: So, the airdate is the 21st then? i just need ot knwo for my dvr.--68.106.210.205 23:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ty. oh this is cody6.*damn thing won't let me log in*--68.106.210.205 12:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the airdate 

message: Shouldn't we mention the fact that Aang has a huge crush on Katara and that Katara seems to have one on Aang?  
I'm sure it'll eventually become a big part in the show....
~Elley  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.190.43 (talk) 01:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully without getting enraged shippers going crazy, I'll just say that details like that really don't need to be on the main article, here. We only need brief character bios, the articles on each character go into more detail.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

text: reinforincing dedster's assumption "the serpent's pass"
reinforcing that the feelings are mutual between aang and katara "the day of black sun: the invasion" Jkdz100 (talk) 02:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aang and Katara 

message: Tonight is the season 3 premiere of Avatar, so there may be people posting spoilers, as well as vandalism. We should be looking out for that tonight. I know I'll keep a watchful eye out for them! (And, if this section causes any problems to happen in the article tonight, I'm apologizing in advance.) --Freespirit1981 15:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep A Watchful Eye Out.... 

message: If you include Appa in the main characters I don't see why you don't include Momo. He's in every episode. and actually because of his smaller size than Appa susually does more than the other animal character.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.5.204 (talk) 02:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Isn't Momo in the Main Characters Section 

message: In the section of the article where it talks about non-Chinese martial arts also being used on the show, it mentions that the pirates were in episode sixteen ("The Deserter"). However, this isn't true. They appear in the next episode. I'd fix this myself, but I wouldn't know how to do it completely. Could someone please fix this so that when it says "seventeen", it links to the right episode? Thanks in advance! :)--Freespirit1981 00:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake in article 

message: I can't seen to figure out how to fix the link to Southern Praying Mantis; I'm still a little new at this. Any help from the Wiki community would be appreciated. :)--Freespirit1981 01:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HELP! 

message: An article from USA Today talks about the film adaptation.  Anyone willing to work this in? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't add much information that we don't know about. Just be patient, we'll get some good information soon. The Placebo Effect 19:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this quote is worth including: "We've already done some 'making-of' and interviews with Night that we're putting on the home video releases (for the TV show)."  This independent coverage explains the reason for Night's presence on the DVD.  Also, USA Today says that the first film is slated for 2009, which the film adaptation section does not mention. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 00:51, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film headline 

message: I found screen shots that we could use for this episode article at the Avatar Spirit site. How do you upload pictures onto a Wiki article? --Freespirit1981 16:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Save the images to your computer. Then go to the "tool box" (under the search box to the left) and click the "upload file". Then follow the instructions there. Make sure you provide source information and choose the correct "license tag" for the image. --Ghostexorcist 20:14, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Once you have added a photo via the "browse" button, there should be a box for a summary (source, description, etc.) and then a box that says license. This license is a tag that says if the image is public domain, free, or copyrighted and what it is of (screenshot, poster, book cover, etc.). Since you are dealing with screenshots, there is a tag that says "screenshots". --Ghostexorcist 00:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screen shots for The Painted Lady 

message: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Runaway (Avatar: The Last Airbender) The Placebo Effect 15:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Avatar: The Last Airbender minor book 1 characters The Placebo Effect 00:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One more deletion disscusion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Avatar: The Last Airbender characters (2nd nomination) The Placebo Effect 16:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion disscusion 

message: Ok, so the commercials for the third season indicate that we get 10 new episodes in a row.  After this, what's going to happen?  A long break followed by one episode a month like season 2, or just a few weeks off and it comes back later in the season?  If anyone knows, should this info be added to the article? Hewinsj 19:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third season 

message: One contributor seems to believe that Combustion Man's firebending is spontaneous.  According to Oxford, spontaneity implies being performed on a sudden impulse and without premeditation.  From what I can see in the episode, this is completely false.  Combustion Man appears to have complete control over his firebending.  This is supported by Nickelodeon's website, which states that Combustion Man achieves his attacks by focusing his energy through his tattoo.  Thus, saying that the firebending is performed without premeditation contradicts Nickelodeon's information.  b.y.w 10:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spontaneous Firebending 

message: Okay, it says on the main page that there will be a season four. This makes me confused, because I have previously seen it be denied. The link it goes to says nothing - no confirmations, no denials, nothing. So can anyone point me to an actual link? Either official confirmation or official denial? 71.192.225.133 01:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season Four? 

message: I haven't watched Avatar in a while so when I watched this week's, I was shocked to see the new clothes they have. Someone please explain! Like how did Aang's hair grow? I just thought he was bald!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.236.133 (talk) 02:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Watch the episodes (episode two, The Headband, to be more precise), and you'll understand. ( Oh, and Aang isn't bald, he used to shave his head. But it's a little hard to do that while you're unconscious, eh? =) ) Bagpipeturtle 02:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did the group change outfits? 

message: What happened to all the minor character bios? I tried to search for Fire Lord Sozin and Azulon and I used to get redirect to their bios, but now they are gone.
ShadowRanger 06:35, October 30, 2007 (CST)
Go to the minor recurring characters link.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.38.208 (talk) 17:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The pages were deleted due to lack of notability; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Avatar: The Last Airbender minor book 1 characters. --Herald Alberich 20:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Bios 

message: I've heard somewhere that they translate to: "The divine medium who descended upon the mortal world", or something like that. I don't know for sure; I can't read Chinese. If I'm right, I feel that we should put in in the article. Ghostexorcist, am I correct in the translation?--Freespirit1981 18:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese characters above the title 

message: It's now being listed in the article that everyone is a year older. I know almost a year has passed in the Avatar world, but is there a good source that states that everyone has had their birthdays?  I mean, Aang couldn't be 13 yet; he was born in the fall, and it's only the summer in the series. --Freespirit1981 22:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that unless it says some where we can't change there ages. Speaking of ages I thought Katara was 15 (like Zuko), but currently it says she is 14.Smileyface 12 91 11:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: No..... I'm pretty sure they are born with in a week of the Last Avatar's death. I don't think season matters at all. Where did you hear this? The Placebo Effect 18:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Avatars are born in their season of their element. There is no way they are conceived within a week. I don't think it varies depending on when the next season of the next element is when they are born.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.134.228 (talk) 07:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters' ages 

message: I suggest that this article be moved to "Avatar: The Legend of Aang".  The US should not have a monopoly over what the show is called, and even though it was created in the US, the rest of the world knows it as TLoA.  See also metre and litre for examples where the spelling used in the "precious" States is trumped by how the rest of the world spells it; if it works for those words, it should surely be used for the title of this programme.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.78.210.211 (talk) 23:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nickelodeon is an American company so we use the American Name. Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is written by a British author, so we British English. Is that a good reason why we use this name? The Placebo Effect 01:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Compromise: let the page "Avatar:_The_Legend_of_Aang" redirect to this page. Everyone happy? Ge4ce 06:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It already redirects, but you could have just done that. If not it is like Placeblo Effect said it is an American show. If I'm not mistaken your Aang doesn't have an English accent. The voice acters (for the english speaking countrys at least) are almost all American (some maybe Asian).Smileyface 12 91 07:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  So, why *is* it called "The Last Airbender" in the US and "Legend of Aang" in the UK? - I've found nothing on imdb referring to it. If something sourced can be found, it probably ought to go in the page somewhere. 82.163.43.10 (talk) 11:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text:  Sorry, forgot to sign in... Brickie (talk) 11:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an American series, thus it should be listed under it's American name. 134.129.203.26 (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree it should be listed as "Last Airbender" - but if I as a Briton went looking for information on something called "Avatar: The Legend of Aang", I might find myself a little confused as to whether it was the same show, or a spinoff. Just a line somewhere on the page that says "The series is shown in the UK under the title of "The Legend of Aang" due to copyright restrictions/focus-group feedback/whatever." But mainly, I'm just curious, having not found any info anywhere else about why the title is different. Brickie (talk) 14:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to "Avatar: The Legend of Aang"? 

message: Two problems: 1) the link for reference # 58 can no longer be found online, and 2) it would seem that there won't be a Katara figure after all! Mattel, from what I understand, has dropped the entire Avatar figure line. I've read this at a forum at the Avatar Spirit site (yes, I know that forums aren't always reliable sources), and learned this from a seller on eBay, too. Should we add this to the article as soon as I have more proof?--Freespirit1981 01:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. However, instead of removing ref. #58, maybe we could find an alternative source. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 16:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference # 58 and the Katara action figure 

message: These images have to be removed from this article per WP:NFCC. The characters are illustrated in their specific articles. To illustrate them here violates Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria #3. Rettetast 23:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree. Regardless of what exists on other article, this article should still provide sufficient coverage of the show as a subject. Images of the main characters is essential to do that.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of each character and minimal use of non-free images 

message: Whoever is placing advance knowledge of Avatar episodes in this article, please stop! Americans have yet to see episode 6 of this season (it airs tonight), and you are spoiling the series for American fans! :(  Thank you! --Freespirit1981 21:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And people in the UK hadn't seen episode 305 till this week, but that didn't stop infomation form being added. Since the information has been released somewhere in the world, it can be added to the article. The Placebo Effect 21:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe "305" is actually an annotation meaning "Season 3, Episode 5".70.187.62.34Vince  —Preceding comment was added at 03:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

text: And again I say NO. We did not keep spoilers off Wiki for those in england so they would not see it, why should we be treated differantly. If it aired somewhere on earth then it will be mentioned. The Placebo Effect (talk) 13:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  STOP WITH THE SPOILERS! 

message: I am almost sure that firebending is based off of Northern Shaolin, not Long Fist. I'm going to change this. I f any one objects, I'll find the prrof and put it on here. geowhiz1010 18:43, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: your right, it states in the avatar creating the legend short. the martial arts consultant Sifu Kisu stated that the firebending fighting style is based off Northern Shaolin.Akuzio (talk) 09:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martial Art Base of Firebending 

message: I just read over the wiki articles and noticed about toph being blind makes her the only metal-bender ever. At this point of the show we [b] do not know whether others can metal bend or not [/b]. Examples could be King Bumi , Avatar Kiyoshi , later Aang or  anyone else . Suggesting changing it to[b] "might possibly be the  only metal-bender ever"[/b]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.199.213.66 (talk) 16:06, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toph the only metal bender ever 

message: I know Aang is without a doubt the central character of the series, but don't you think that the plot synopsis is a bit too detailed on the history of his character?  The phrase
By creating an air bubble around them and then freezing it, Aang was able to ensure that he and Appa could breathe and be protected from the storm until it dissipated.  seems way too specific, especially since main characters Zuko and Azula together only have a single sentence.  
--Hydrokinetics12 (talk) 02:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree with you, but I'm honestly more upset by Zuko's description. Namely the part that reads "(who later joins the Avatar)" which was a major spoiler from the most recent episodes.--Jacobpaige (talk) 08:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot issues 

message: Where would a link to a Pai Sho creation project site go? I'm thinking external links, but so far that only seems to contain official links. --Qhiiyr (talk) 14:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pai Sho 

message: Should we have this article semi-protected? There are just TOO many idiots vandalizing it. I just had to fix the names of the creators of the show, for example. (Please don't ask me what the vandal put down; it's not worth knowing.) Also, we end up with too many spoilers from overseas. Take DOBS, for example. I could have lived without knowing some of the movie details until I saw it (and I saw it Friday). Therefore, I propose a vote. All those in favor, say "aye". :)--Freespirit1981 01:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye. I checked out the history edits for List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes today and one of the edits had the entire episode tables gone and replaced with the leaked synopsis for the upcoming chapter =S It's annonying! --Secretss (talk) 10:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, It should definately be protected, I came to check on some names and I saw a childish thing that of course need not be said. I would support the cause of a semi-protect on this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.158.66.83 (talk) 03:30, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

text: if you all feel this way, why did none of you nominate it? Oh, and the list of episodes is protected. Rau J16 03:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected? 

message: I found a book in the bookstore called Not Just Cartoons: Nicktoons! by Jerry Beck. I'm not going to buy it and join the project, but I will ask the other members to get the book so that they can add real world information about various fictional characters.
This makes the creation of separate articles for *many* fictional characters feasible. Having information about the development of the character will make the articles satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)
WhisperToMe (talk) 20:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not at the NY library so I may have to go and buy it. I'll check. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 20:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A source that could be used: Jerry Beck's Not Just Cartoons: Nicktoons! 

message: Would anyone be interested in writing more about the types of fantastic animals in this series?  (Like those "penguins" with 6 limbs, and the "turtle-seals" in the first season.)  I'm not familiar enough about them, but the ones I've seen are really fun.  It would be really nice if we can get some images of them also.  --tess (talk) 20:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like List of Avatar: The Last Airbender creatures, you mean? :)--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha!  Thanks! tess (talk) 22:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section/article idea 

message: I was wondering if anyone could make a redirect from Avatar: The Legend of Aang to here? I would do it myself but I don't know how. 86.151.230.164 (talk) 16:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There already is. Rau J16 17:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar: The Legend of Aang, no redirect? 

message: There is a new link in Asia - www.nicksplat.com/avatar
Click here  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darremon (talk • contribs) 10:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New link in Nicksplat.com 

message: The Avatar template at the end of every Avatar page has had the Air Nomads link changed to redirect to the Guitar Hero III page. 189.4.243.36 (talk) 21:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Its taken care of. Rau J16 22:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: Avatar has finally been nominated for a Kids Choice award for Best Cartoon. How do we add this to the article? Here's proof: [] . :) --Freespirit1981 (talk) 17:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We dont, unless there is a section for awards here, it doesnt go here. It will probably end up on the season 3 page, seeing as that is the season that is out when the nomination was announced. Rau J16 17:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Um...there is a listing of awards here. To answer the question, KCA is actually already there.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 17:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh god, i feel like a total airhead, i even looked for that section, and i didn't see it. Thanks for pointing it out. Rau J16 18:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kids Choice Awards nomination 

message: If all of the awards are mentioned here, do they even need to be mentioned on the season pages? Rau J16 18:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends. The only awards that should be on the main page are general show-wide awards, while awards on the season pages should be season- or episode-specific awards. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 20:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Except that is not the way it is, if it was, i'd have no problem about it, but its not. I suppose that makes my next question, do we migrate them all here, or distribute them throughout the episodes lists? Rau J16 21:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: i had an issue using some of the links provided.  notably the article titled "Where's Katara?..."  Magikmouse (talk) 01:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally! Someone else noticed! :) I made this complaint at least a month ago, maybe two! We need to find a new link for it. --Freespirit1981 (talk) 18:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  That article at least appears to be gone.  The Blogspot account for that article looks like it was closed or deleted.  I did a quick google search and it didn't look like it moved to another blog host.  I also checked the internet archive, but it looks like they didn't back it up. Didn't take the time to find out what this reference relates to in the article, but if it can't be sourced it should probably be removed. Hewinsj (talk) 19:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with Reference Links 

message: The 'Asian culture' section is a mess. Some sections look unorganized and others are not even cited. Here are a few examples (the bold text is the section in which the setence appears):
Calligraphy
:"The show employs calligrapher Siu-Leung Lee as a consultant and translator. See also: the Oracle Bone Script for the origin of many Hanzi characters and some Oracle Bone characters themselves are even used in the Avatar series."
Please provide a source for Siu-Leung Lee. The 'see also' at the end of the paragraph looks odd. It is also uncited.
Fighting styles
The overall problem I have with this section that it is undersourced. I realize the opening paragraph lists the styles and provides sources, but the proceeding paragraphs make very specific claims that need to be supported with citations. In addition, I believe that this section could be reorganized into some sort of a chart similar to this page. It would only have to include the name of the styles and why they compliment each bending art. There is no reason to go into great detail about the style itself since they have there own articles. Something like this:
Style           	Reason (I'm sure someone can come up with a better header than this)
Tai Chi         	Embodies the art of water bending because ...
Hung Gar        	Embodies earthbending ... Chu Gar Southern Praying Mantis is a sub-style untilized by toph ...
Northern Shaolin	Firebenders ...
Baguazhang      	Airbenders ...
:"The forms of Changquan are beautiful to watch, almost resembling dances, but also incredibly deadly, such is the nature of fire."
This sentence is nothing but someone's own opinion on the style. It needs to be rewritten to avoid POV statements and cited.
:"Non-Chinese arts have also appeared. The pirates who appear in Book One, Episodes Nine and Eighteen, employ Japanese weapons, a possible nod to the historical clashes between Shaolin monks and Japanese pirates. In The Headband, Aang's adaptation of martial arts forms into dance techniques evolves into a game of Brazilian capoeira, complete with roda and batteria, with Katara."
A "possile nod" is nothing but speculation, which violates WP:NOR. The Bit about Capoeira is speculation as well if there is no supporting source. 
:"The flow of chi is the engine behind the bending arts. Benders require chi to flow from the breath as form of energy derived from breathing and oxygenation, and then extend that energy past their body to manipulate or manifest their element. This chi is stored in the abdomen of the bender, known among martial artists as the Dantian. Different choices of directing energy are referred to different kinds of Jing, a system used to describe movements in sparring such as positive, or aggressive, negative, or defensive, and neutral, which is neither aggressive nor defensive."
The entire paragraph is uncited. I'm really surprised that a Featured article would have so much uncited and speculative material. It needs to be fixed. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 02:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asian culture section is a mess 

message: Hey i just heard about "Sozin's Comet: The Final Battle" and it is real. You can search it and find results on lots of official websites. It will be released May 20, 2008. Here is evidence http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=616354&er=9781416958277  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7rasengan7 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not know what to make of this, i mean it looks fake. And its not like you can't trick sites into posting fake stuff, but i think think it should be left out until Nick announces it themselves. Rau J16 00:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just looked the ISBN up and it is being sold by Books-A-Million and Barnes and Noble as well (see here). --Ghostexorcist (talk) 02:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, shame the publisher is not Nick. Rau J16 03:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually, im certain this will be the last break for the U.S., also, the boiling rock is not confirmed, so you should not count that in your calculations. But i agree it should be left out until some official word is announced, the same goes for the other books. Rau J16 06:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sozin's Comet: The Final Battle (The Book) 

message: *Request to establish the Avatar Wiki as an external link.76.24.145.157 (talk) 17:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not reliable, it is a fan site with no official ties to Nickelodeon. Their information is either user gathered; taken from the same sources as here; or most likely, but not always, unreliable. Rau J16 17:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Links 

message: cant really add anything to this great article, and what i have is just speculation (and as mentioned therefore breaks NPOV)... was interested to see all the wonderful things that influenced the creators and went into their creative melting pot.
just wondered in response to that, something that struck me on first seeing the show (first 2-3 episodes) --- much influence from, or even a desire to bring back, a flavour of some classic older nickelodeon shows that also followed a long/epic story arc with various foreign and historical/literary influences? bet there was... good to have this calibre of material back in front of kids eyes again :) too bad it went away for a while  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.180.56 (talk) 01:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  inspirations 

message: I have noticed a lot of descriptions that assume an ending has occurred.  There is very little said about what became of some characters. Please do not say they're dead.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.83.212.176 (talk) 08:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about. I read the ends of all of them, each was accurate. If they died (with the exception of Jet) it is mentioned. If they did not, then it is not mentioned. If it is unknown, then the last known fact appears to be there. Rau J16 19:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Any soldier who is captured and kept in prison is a POW, as for dying, if the old lady was the only one ro escape, then the others have either died as POW's or are still incarcerated. But there is a minor edit war going on there, so give it time. Rau J16 23:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with assuming! 

message: Hear Hear with regards to the nomination for best article!  I LOVE this series and I love that my nephews are so into it.  This article is SUCH a great accompaniment - providing a tremendous resource for folks that haven't caught the bug yet and want to know about the show, its premise, history and story line.  For anyone who might k'vech about Wikipedia's accuracy and so forth - this article is a great testament to what the real possibilities are.  GREAT ARTICLE!!!  Thank you all for the good work.  (Especially like the map inclusion - very "hobbit-ish", wouldn't you say???)  :)  Don't ask me why I felt it necessary to put this here...I just think enough good things aren't said about articles here some times and was compelled to recognize good work for a change.  I'm done now. LactoseIntolerant (talk) 22:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kudos to all Contributors 

message: All of the separate character articles that are linked on this main page have been losing relationship sections and had significant portions of their character histories deleted. Request that this stop IMMEDIATELY due to the declining quality of the articles. The characters' history sections regarding their roles in the show's three seasons should be once again expanded upon to keep readers informed on their roles and contributions to the show's events. I have read in some articles that the relationship sections are being deleted due to their "in-universe" nature. These articles should be rewritten but remain closed to speculation so that they don't resemble fan fiction or discussion sites. Whoever keeps deleting these article sections in the character databases, PLEASE STOP IT.76.24.145.157 (talk) 21:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The quality of the articles has gone up since the removal of that information. This is an encyclopedia not a fansite. Entire in-depth biographies do not belong here. If they were important in an event, then it is mentioned. But we arent going to go into how Katara discovered Aang, or how Aang knew to choose Toph, or that Sokka bought a purse. If they contribute something of worth, then it will be mentioned, otherwise it will not. And the relationship sections were either speculation, or trivial and unneeded. Of course, i am but one editor, if another disagrees, provide a real reason for the informations inclusion and then go ahead a do it. Rau's talk 23:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am the person who removed the majority of the relationship sections. In short, the sections were WP:Cruft and contributed absolutely nothing to the scholarliness of the articles. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 23:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complaint on the Separate Character Articles 

message: I was just wondering where the information that the series will end on march 15th came from because I've been looking everywhere and cannot seem to find any sort of information that the serie will end on that date.
Darkhero31 (talk) 04:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fake. There is no way in hell it would end next Saturday. Rau's talk 05:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  end date march 15? 

message: Ummmm....where did this info about Iroh being 43 come from? This is obviously either fake info, or just a guess on someone's part. I very much doubt that he's that age.--Freespirit1981 (talk) 19:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't seem like there is any mention of Iroh having any age. Seems like more and more fake edits are being made with some of them making it trough. I knew that the 43 was put there, but had a second thought in reverting it. Ge4ce (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a reliable source with his age, please provide it. I removed the 43 because that is false. But i did not add a new age because i do not know it. Rau's talk 18:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iroh's age 

message: I can see all of the Asian and Inuit references in the show, but Mayan? May I ask where this came from? My only guess is episode 313, "The Firebending Masters", which, of course I have not seen yet (I've only seen the summary of the episode here on Wikipedia). Am I right, or did someone just stick this in as a guess. If it's a guess, then it should be removed. --Freespirit1981 (talk) 21:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was definitely mesoamerican in flavor, but it could be any of those groups, Aztecs, Mayans, Toltecs or any of the other groups of that region. The costume was in the general area.--Kolrobie (talk) 10:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only episode that I know of was 313, and when the article was still up, there were numerous references explaining the Mayan architecture of that episode. It was a very well built article, and one of the few I miss. But I am unsure of whether there have been other instances of that kind of architecture or cultural references within the show. Rau's talk 17:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural References 

message: Avatar has been nominated for another award! :) Look here: []. If you click on this link, and then on Festival at the top, you'll see that Avatar is nominated for DOBS! :D--Freespirit1981 (talk) 17:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Direct link. click. This will be added to this page, and the season page. Rau's talk 19:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Award Nomination 

message: :Princess Yue (Johanna Braddy) was the beautiful Princess of the Northern Water Tribe. She is Sokka's second love interest introduced in the series. Yue sacrifices her life to restore the Moon Spirit at the end of Book 1. As a result, she becomes the Moon Spirit herself. 
:Admiral Zhao (Jason Isaacs) was a hot-tempered Fire Nation admiral in pursuit of the Avatar and Zuko's principal rival throughout Book One. He was killed by the Ocean Spirit after he temporarily killed the Moon Spirit in an attempt to cripple the Northern Water Tribe.
Yue "sacrificed her life" and the Moon Spirit was "temporarily" killed? But Yue is still alive as stated in that episode where the Foggy Water Tribe is first met, I always figured that meant Yue replaced the old Moon Spiret... felinoel (talk) 02:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In order: Moon Spirit saves Yue. Years later, Zhao kills Moon Spirit. Yue becomes Moon Spirit. Ocean Spirit (and Aang) kill Zhao. Yue lives on as the Moon Spirit with every appearance being an apparition, or a figment of someones imagination. Better? Rau's talk 02:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well yes, of course what actually happens is better... I was just making sure that what I thought actually happened, actually happened before I changed it myself, I had just a few minutes ago watched an episode where Sokka speaks of Yue being the Moon Spirit and that confirmed it for me and so I was going to change it myself, but I see this page is quick to respond. felinoel (talk) 19:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Moon Spirit 

message: When did the protection of this page run out? Rau's talk 03:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A WHILE back. Not sure exactly when. You think it should be protected again? (Not too much vandalism yet, emphasis on yet.) — Parent5446 (t n c e m l) 03:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: to quote the protection log "17:42, 22 February 2007 Nishkid64 (Talk | contribs | block) unprotected Avatar: The Last Airbender ‎ (No longer Today's FA.)" The Placebo Effect (talk) 03:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If it does not die down, yes i do think it should be protected again. I hope it is not necessary, but if it does not, i will request another protection. Rau's talk 04:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Going over the history for 24-25th March (my time), there have been 18 edits, 5 of which are reverted, 3 of which are revert edits. I don't think this is enough to protect a page. Especially since most of the additional content was by anons. There are enough people watching this article to realise when vandalism occurs. --liquidGhoul (talk) 04:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention most of the edits are good faith edits, which means that this page would not be protected. The Placebo Effect (talk) 04:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not requested yet. I am simply bringing it up in the event that the vandalism worsens. Thats not so wrong is it?.  Rau's talk 04:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No it is not. But articles are usually not protected preemptivley. If the situation worsesns, by all means, I will protect it. But currently there are no problems. The Placebo Effect (talk) 04:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not suggesting it be done now, I simply wish to be prepared in case it does in fact require it. I find it better to plan ahead than actually wait for something to happen. Rau's talk 05:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: shoud there be of the mention of the current hiatus? 125.60.241.153 (talk) 11:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any information on it? Because all I know is "The show has been on break ever since January 2008. When it will resume is unknown." I wish there was more info..... Rau's talk 12:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard unverified claims that the hiatus has to do with the desertion of creative personnel from Nickelodeon, and from another source that the show will continue airing in May, after the North American release of the new DVDs. 79.122.83.155 (talk) 12:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unverified claims cannot be put in as they are unverified. Rau's talk 20:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Naturally. 77.234.81.33 (talk) 21:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I heard April 4th is when the next episode in America is supposed to play.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.110.145.180 (talk) 00:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is only an eight o clock episode, no guarantee it is new. Have there been previews? Rau's Speak Page 02:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  hiatus 

message: What on earth is a reference to that movie doing in the quote in the anime section of this article? I doubled checked the article by changing the zoom level on my window to 150% and read the quote. Porco Russo wasn't in the quote at all! It should be erased. And, as for Yue's age, Parent, she was 16. Remember the celebration the night that the Gaang arrived at the North Pole? The chief said, "We also celebrate my daughter's 16th birthday. Princess Yue is now of marrying age." (The Waterbending Master,Book One: Water, Chapter 18.) So, if my edit to that section was accurate, then why was it erased?--Freespirit1981 (talk) 03:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Porco Russo? Yue's age? 

message: I went through the series and picked out the names of characters in Chinese that I could find.  Since I don't often edit wikipedia, much less the Avatar articles, I figured that I would leave whether to add this information up to the people who edit these articles often enough to actually check the talk page.
卡塔拉＝Katara= Kǎ Tǎ La
昂 = Áng
托夫 = Toph = Tuō Fu
艾洛= Iroh = Ài Luò
索卡=Sokka= Suǒ Kǎ
蘇科=Zuko= Su Ke
摸摸=Momo= Mo Mo
In the places where there are no accent markings, it means that said character doesn't have only one pronounciation, and therefore, it is impossible for someone like me, who has almost no experience or education in Chinese to figure out what it is. KumoriKage (talk) 15:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that sources (episodes, published material) should be given for the names. This definitely goes for the English translation (a link to a good Chinese-English dictionary would suffice). You never know if a person is coming up with their own characters based on the sound and maybe even translating them into English incorrectly. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 17:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources would be nice. Perhaps KumoriKage could provide the source for his/her translations. Rau's talk 19:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was mainly referring to the names already present in character articles, but the above editor should provide sources as well. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 23:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, i suppose sources for those would be sources for the English meaning of the words. But does anyone have the sources anymore? Rau's talk 00:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My sources for what the names of the characters are is Episode 2x35 Tales of Ba Sing Se, and the "School Time Shipping" special.  For instance, for "The Tale of Iroh", it has written beside it in chinese, 艾洛的故事 or "Ai Luo"'s Story.  The name for Aang I wasn't quote sure about due to the fact that it had 安昂的故事 written (note the 安 (an) written before 昂 (ang)), as well as me not being totally sure of what the 兴 (this is the simplified character, so it will look different if you look it up in the episode) written in "The Tale of Toph and Katara" (卡塔拉兴托夫的故事).  However in "School Time Shipping", when Aang writes the invitation to the dance in the air, Katara's name is 卡塔拉, and Aang's name is 昂, so one can assume from there that 兴 has the meaning of "and" or something similar.  Also since the characters "Tuo Fu" are fairly close to Toph, that seems to add to the idea that 兴 merely has some grammatical role in the sentence. KumoriKage (talk) 02:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

text: 
Now all we need to do is find sources from Nick to specify which of these meaning each letter represents, then we can update the article. — Parent5446 (t n c k e l) 00:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Do we really need them? I mean, isn't it better to include all possible translations? I mean, yes i know we need them for the official meaning of their names, but the translations themselves should be allowed as long as it is noted that they are not official translations.  Rau's talk 02:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese Names of the Characters 

message: Isn't whether or not it is considered an anime subjective? Because I consider it an anime. Rau's talk 05:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never seen the term be used subjectively unless you want to draw the distinction as to where you live.  In North America, the term anime has been used to separate animated film and television properties from Japan from traditional cartoons.  It's a term that implies region of origin, and since Avatar doesn't fit that one condition (being from Japan) it fails to be anime.  That said, if you were in Japan, anime translates to cartoon and the term has no regional qualifier.  They have no word for American cartoons (at least not that I know of) so to them Avatar would be anime by default.  Hewinsj (talk) 06:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I use the word by definition, but only on cartoons of a certain style; namely, Japanese. Any show that has that animation and storytelling style, I call it anime. And by that, I call Avatar anime. But, if you use the term to refer to region of origin, then it would not be anime. That is how it can be used subjectively. Which also makes having the article say one way or the other original research. See my point? Rau's talk 07:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. Hewinsj (talk) 01:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime 

message: Is there an article for the third game yet? Rau's Speak Page 21:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: no, WP:BOLD The Placebo Effect (talk) 21:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Into The Inferno 

message: http://pics.livejournal.com/hlynn/pic/00002h8t  we might get people adding new info from this, so heads up. The Placebo Effect (talk) 21:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I just used it. Is it unreliable or something? — Parent5446 (t n c k e l) 22:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: well, it is not 100% confirmed that this is a legit source. I would assume that, cause it is oozing with market speak, but i would hold off until we get offical confirmation. The Placebo Effect (talk) 22:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heads up on a new "source" 

message: I have noticed that you put up an article about the avatar ride in the Mall of America. I think that is okay, but I am insulted that an article hasn't been put up about the avatar ride in King's Island (I live near there and go often to ride the ride) especially since the ride at KI has been there longer. It is a really neat ride too. It is kind of like a skateboard. Mew Mitsuki (talk) 22:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What article are you talking about? (I never knew it existed.) — Parent5446 (t n c k e l) 22:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I found info about the ride at Paramount's King's Island if anyone wants to include it in one of the avatar articles...  there's probably more out there, this is just a fact sheet from the park. Hewinsj (talk) 22:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But what article are you referring to when you mention the Mall of America ride? — Parent5446 (t n c k e l) 22:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't refering to the Mall of America one, I think you want the Original Poster. However, if I have time I'll do a little digging and report back with what I find. Hewinsj (talk) 01:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: There is a reference to it here in the article for the Nickelodeon theme park in the mall, but it's only a sentence.  I still haven't looked at the Avatar article itself to see if this was added, but that seems to be one line on this topic. Hewinsj (talk) 01:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I just noticed that there is mention of it in the main article under Promotion and merchandising.  It's noted briefly in a paragraph about efforts used to promote the franchise.  I'm used to people clamouring for real world uses of fictional material in articles like these so I'm happy with it.  Still, open to discussion on the subject. Hewinsj (talk) 18:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Avatar Airbender Thats the article that they were talking about. Rau's Speak Page 19:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Somehow missed that one when I did a "what links here" on the Mall of America.  Thanks for catching it.  I wouldn't be opposed to merging this.  Hewinsj (talk) 20:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: It used to be a redirect when it was created by Placebo back in october 2006, of course that changed when a ride was made with the same name. Rau's Speak Page 21:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: ReBoot does talk about several rides in a very brief section.  Not a FA but it does talk about the fact that they exist in the real world. A redirect would be fine, I just don't know if you can propose a redirect in the way that you can propose a merger.  If you can request for redirect, I would prefer that. There is sufficient coverage in the main article, and no need for a separate stub that consists of 2 sentences. Hewinsj (talk) 03:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no need to request for redirect. As long as we are in consensus here, somebody can just be bold and change the article to a redirect. — Parent5446 (t n c k e l) 11:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done and done.  Sorry about that, recently I've edited a few other articles where discussion takes precedence to being bold. Nice talking with  you.  Hewinsj (talk) 13:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar Ride 

message: Check out featured articles The Office and Aquaman. Such cute, small character descriptions of one to three lines maximum, describing what they are, and not what happens to them in the series. Please let's do that, and save plot for episode and character pages, rather than this page. Please? Somebody throw me a bone here, I've already had spoileriffic stuff I deleted restored because it was "needed." --Buinne (talk) 06:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That won't happen here. We are about the quality of the article, not the amount of information we can cram in. I'll begin removing material. Rau's Speak Page 22:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Better? Rau's Speak Page 22:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thanks much. Apologies for not doing it myself.--Buinne (talk) 19:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. I preferred the more descriptive character descriptions. They were not to big and complemented the Summary. Besides, they were here when this article was featured, so I don't think there is a problem with it. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 19:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There might not have been a problem with it, but it was not needed. Most of them have an article with more than enough detail on each of them. Rau's Speak Page 22:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no problem with it exactly. The other articles have much more information to add and if they did that then it would have too much info. We don't have as much info, so i think we should just leave it like this. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 00:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're saying that we should kind of balance it out? Rau's Speak Page 01:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm saying until someone says this breaks a guideline or something like that, we should leave it as it is, because it is more informative this way. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 11:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense. Rau's Speak Page 01:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge Character Descriptions 

message: Just in case nobody noticed, there is a merge suggestion notice at the top of the article. It would be good if somebody attempted to discuss it. It is located on the media information article's talk page. — Parent5446 (t n c k e l) 19:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging Media Information 

message: Empire Magazine is running a story with specifics about the upcoming movie.  Two things to note, it's dropping the title Avatar to avoid confusion with the James Cameron film of the same name and simply going by the title "The Last Airbender", and has a prospective release date of July 2, 2010.  If I have some time I'll add this to the article, but if someone else beats me to it that's fine too. Hewinsj (talk) 03:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feature Film news 

message: Not that I'm a very stringent copyright purist or anything, but in future some may object to the many images in the cast section. Could it be easier to find some images with multiple characters in them, or just let the reader click the characters' articles to see what they look like? Alientraveller (talk) 11:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast images 

message: Despite the DVD release of Volume 3 (of Book 3) being released on May 6th, it was said by Bryan K., one of the co-creators of the show, that the show will return in JULY. This is according to dongbufeng.net. [] Should we add this to the article? --Freespirit1981 (talk) 18:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not thing dongbufeng is a reliable source. — Parent5446 (t [ n] c k e [ l]) 22:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The trailer said that the journey concludes in july. not that new episodes begin in july. Rau's Speak Page 23:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dongbufeng is not a reliable source for episode names. This information, however, wast taken directly from NYCC. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 00:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm a little uneasy about Toon Zone. Maybe Placebo knows more about this. — Parent5446 (t [ n] c k e [ l]) 21:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if they're reporting what happened at the convention, I don't see any reason not to use it.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yo yo yo, nick just said on there site avatar returns Monday July 14th. Placebo Out!!! The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 22:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yes, it does say that, but its useless to us beause we have no where to add the information. And pardon my boldness, but your word choice seems odd... Rau's Speak Page 23:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we can say that is the next episode's air date in the US in the Season 3 article. And i just felt in the mood to answer like that. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 01:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess we could do that, and everyone has their spurs I guess.. Rau's Speak Page 02:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

text: We know. The articles have already been changed to reflect this. Rau's Speak Page 02:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw a commericial on Nick a few hours ago saying that new episodes would air in July, so it is definate in July, but no exact date was given. Korah7106 (talk) 18:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar will return.... 

message: The editor forgot to mention it, but this article has been flagged for a Featured Article review because of some questionable sources and several unsourced statements. Please see the FAR box at the top of this talk page for more details. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm.... I thought that was already brought up? Oh well, it's about time anyway. Rau's Speak Page 22:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

text: No, didn't forget, its at the top of the page. That is usually sufficient notification for anyone watching the page. AnmaFinotera (talk) 00:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But its not for people who just stop by on occasion. Or for people who do not use watch pages, but still frequent the page. I think this kind of section is more of a courtesy to them. Rau's Speak Page 00:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure how. Anyone coming to the talk page will see the notice at the top before they see the menu or this section :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 00:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But how many pay attention to the top? And even if they do, thats why its a courtesy. Rau's Speak Page 00:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Hehe... Yea, I ended up figuring that out... that was what the "I thought that was already brought up" was. I just thought that it had happened, we just hadn't gotten any results. Rau's Speak Page 01:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:FAR]] 

message: This might seem like a stupid thing to say, but whenever I access this page to find out about Avatar (ususally to see when the episodes are airing) I always type in "The Last Airbender" instead of "Avatar: The Last Airbender" because it saves time. But now, I've just noticed that when I type this, it takes me right down to the live action film adaptation. Does it have to be this way?Wild ste (talk) 16:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone had apparently created a page called The Last Airbender for the feature film. It was redirected here per WP:CRYSTAL, WP:NFF, etc etc, but when the redirect was done it was done to the film section. Since The Last Airbender is really more of a general short name for the series in general and not specific just to the film, I've fixed the redirect so it should just go to the top of the page. Hope that helps. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Last Airbender 

message: Parent, you added the RFC; what is the question?  If this:
:Is linking to a site with copyrighted information considered such a major copyvio, that it takes precedence over the improvement of an article's quality? 
is really the question, WP:COPYRIGHT and WP:EL are quite clear.  We don't knowingly link to sites that contain copyright violations.  Why do you need to ask?  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it might have to with the fact that avatarspirit, a source for this article is considered not a useable source for anything, even original interviews they did, because they host some copyrighted material. The Placebo Effect (talk) How's my editing?  Please contribute to my editor review. 20:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: However, if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work. Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States (Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry ).  What is unclear about that?  And why would someone argue (as they are on the FAR) that we should IAR for one article, putting Wiki in the position of contributory infringement because one article wants to?  There must be more to this dispute than meets the eye, because if this is all there is to it, the answer is patently clear. What are we missing? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Collectonian is misinterpreting WP:COPY. Avatarspirit does seem to have information on the website that are copyright violations, but the policy only prohibits linking to the copyright violations. It does not prevent someone from linking to a different page that website as long as that page does not also contain copyright violations. A pretty good argument could be made for Avatarspirit not being a reliable source, but to prohibit linking to an unrelated page on the site simply because Avatarspirit contains copyright violations elsewhere seems to be an unreasonable extension of WP:COPY...--Bobblehead (rants) 21:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, I still do not see how is this affecting all of wikipedia. I called IAR to apply to this one website, so that we could use the website and its information. We just want to use information from interviews at a site that one editor is peeved about. We have removed every link that we had to copyrighted material. Rau's Speak Page 21:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Look, the point is that the lawsuit that caused the institution of this policy was a case where a company was sued for directly linking to copyrighted works. In this case: 1) We cannot be sure it is even copyrights, and more importantly 2) The links are to interviews, not any copyvio material, and 3) Rau J gave good reasons to justify the use of IAR if this policy keeps being interpreted as not allowing us to link to any part of ASN. — Parent5446 (t [ n] c k e [ l]) 21:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: If I'm understanding the application of WP:IAR here, it's that ASN is not a reliable source, but they are claiming IAR because if the text supported by ASN were not part of the article, it would be to the detriment of the article itself. Correct? --Bobblehead (rants) 21:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. Rau's Speak Page 22:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, incorrect. ASN is a reliable source. The argument is that since ASN might contain "illegal" episodes transcripts and mp3 files, that the site violated Wikipedia:Copyright, and that no link from the site can be used. We are applying IAR here because that policy is absurd, as there is no chance at all of Wikipedia being sued for linking to ASN unless we linked to the copyvio itself, and also that the article has some good information from this source, and it is being taken away because of a misinterpretation of copyright law. — Parent5446 (t [ n] c k e [ l]) 02:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the argument i sboth. That it is a fansite and not a reliable source, and that it violates copyright laws and shouldn't be linked to making it double unusable. AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your claims of unreliability have absolutely no basis, as we've said time and time again. Just because a website is a fansite, it does not mean it is unreliable. I realize it is a common stereotype to connotate "fansite" with "unreliable fanfic, etc.". But that is not always the case. ASN is a very reliable source. The only thing that could be considered unreliable would be their forums, and the reason for that is obvious. — Parent5446 (t [ n] c k e [ l]) 02:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they have plenty of basis. The site does not meet WP:RS and it does not meet WP:V, period. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have concerns about whether or not ASN is a reliable source, you can ask on the reliable source noticeboard. It doesn't sound like you'll resolve the question here. Collectonian, WP:COPY does not prevent all links to websites that have copyright violations, it only prevents linking to the copyright violations themselves. That's why WP:EL allows links to youtube on a case by case basis despite the rampant copyright violations on the site. --Bobblehead (rants) 05:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny, a month or two ago it was decided in one of the noticeboards that linking to a site that is deliberately and knowingly breaking copyrights (which does not include YouTube), such as fansub and fansub sites is a big fat no no. This occurred during the big discussion over the many Sailor Moon articles using links to a site with every episode available for download, even though none of the links were too that page. It also resulted in all links to anidb being stripped from every anime/manga article and its templates all deleted. It didn't matter that people weren't linking to the fansub pages, the site itself was acting deliberately to violate copyrights. YouTube removes copyrighted materials when found, hence it not being the same thing at all. They don't knowingly upload it. Allowing a site like ASN and saying "nah, its okay as long as you don't like to that page" is no better than saying "here, go link to the fansub distributors, just not the download page" or linking to warez site as long as you don't link straight to any download page. It is still violating WP:Copyright, if not in letter then in spirit. AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

text: But nobody is getting the point. All of your arguments have no meaning because we are not linking to the copyvio material. As for Collectionian's comment, the site that was under scrutiny (as you said yourself) was "acting deliberately to violate copyrights" while YouTube "removes copyrighted material when found". ASN is not in any way deliberately violating copyrights. Do you really think the people at ASN sit at home and think "How can I violate Nickelodeon's copyright today?" As for Sephiroth BCR's comment, I do agree with you on the use of IAR here, and I do agree that copyright policies are very important. However, as it says specifically in WP:COPY, "if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work." It does not say "Do not link to anything on that website." No matter how large the copyright violation may or may not be, there is no application of the policy because we are not linking to said copyvio. (Oh, and if somebody has not already, I will ask about ASN's reliability.) — Parent5446 (t [ n] e [ l]) 19:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're dealing in semantics - following the letter but not the spirit of the policy. There's nothing stopping a user from clicking onto the copyright infringement upon going to their site, and even the minute chance of legal action is enough to deter the usage of the site. Anyhow, it's a fallacious argument altogether - by your logic, I could link to a site with nothing more than a single link that goes to a set of copyright infringements, and it would be fine, which is obviously not the case. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 09:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You just do not get it. The spirit of the policy is to stop copyright violations, put simply (that's why its WP:COPYRIGHT). In addition, you have to remember that the spirit of the law does overpower the letter, but the two are not completely unrelated. There is absolutely no way when you link to a site that just contains copyrighted material that is becomes a copyvio. Not even the slightest chance. As for the single link suggestion, that is just ridiculous (spirit of the law takes over there). — Parent5446 (t [ n] e [ l]) 11:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright question RFC 

message: Hey book three isn't going to be the end of the series is it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.74.167 (talk) 04:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have Aang lose the fight and then prepare for the entirety of Season 4 to defeat him. But because they have announced that this is the series finale, that is not going to happen. Rau's Speak Page 16:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it really stinks. But I guess we are going to have to deal with it. — Parent5446 (t [ n] e [ l]) 03:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important Question 

message: You wrote:
Filming will begin in Philadelphia in May 2009
But here is written that filming will begin in March! --86.106.215.110 (talk) 15:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then instead of complaining, change it. Rau's Speak Page 18:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What part of "Be nice to the new guys" confuses you older wiki people? (talk) 23:35, 13 May 2008 (EST)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NEWBIES  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.67.216.113 (talk) 03:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake 

message: It looks like her age comes from Nick's official site?  But in "The Beach" it's said that she was an only child for 15 years and in "Return to Omashu" it's said that her brother is two years old (though Azula might have been rounding up).  So shouldn't she be 17ish?  If I've misremembered my details, please correct me.  Otherwise, it might be nice to add a line that there is a conflict between the two ages given.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.226.176.142 (talk) 17:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure. All I know is that looking at Nick's site itself is better than guessing around with multiple details from the show. Unless it says specifically "Main is 17", she could be anything. Maybe the people who wrote the episode overlooked something. Either way, I think that we should stick with the site's evidence. — Parent5446 (t [ n] e [ l]) 18:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mai's Age 

message: I noticed that the counter that displays the number of episodes aired is at 55, yet still only 53 episodes have actually aired. Does the counter need fixing, i'd do it myself but i dont know how =[ Ocelot (talk) 17:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to correct, since the next two eps aren't scheduled to air until the 6th. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Hewinsj (talk) 19:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

text: They aren't scheduled to be released until the 6th, don't mislead anyone. Rau's Speak Page 18:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'v taken to watching em as they appear online.--Jakezing (talk) 00:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As someone said on the talk page for the article on Season 3 alone, internet leaks are NOT release dates and as such the Canada dates for 312 and 313 and the DVD release dates are the official release dates for the episodes. Just a little FYI. Caterfree10 (talk) 17:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counter 

message: Crucial information about characters has been deleted. They should be returned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSaiyaMan (talk • contribs) 17:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus has agreed that no, it is not crucial information for an encyclopedia. For minute details about a character, you will be better served visiting a fansite. This is not the place for that. AnmaFinotera (talk) 17:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I wonder where this enthusiasm was when the articles were up for deletion. Rau's Speak Page 21:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I know. I remember on another AfD (might have been Ba Sing Se's), that an editor said "Delete - since the project has not done much to save the article". I just had to sit there and laugh, because I knew that the article would get deleted, and only then would people say "Hey, who agreed to this, bring everything back." This is also not limited to AfDs, it also happened when we removed the Relationships sections from the character sections. *sigh* I guess we will just have to deal with it. If they truly disagree, they can bring it to deletion review. — Parent5446 (t [ n] e [ l]) 03:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, please. Can the patronizing garbage and party lines, will you? You and I both know if any of these folks had said anything on those AfDs, some hotshot editor would just drum some essay or other WP:ABCs for why they were wrong and their opinion didn't matter. Let's at least be honest with ourselves here, K?--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But, of course. The articles were under the criteria for deletion. I'm just saying its annoying when everybody comes to the talk page afterwards asking "Please bring the article back", or even "Where did the article go?" Even if experienced editors put down comments to keep the article, at least people would be aware of the situation, and have their say, not to mention it is good experience for a use to participate in AfDs, considering they might learn a thing or two about policy when their comments are debated (I sure learned a lot). — Parent5446 (t [ n] e [ l]) 20:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Return the Major and Minor Secondary Character Articles 

message: It still says in the article that the Katara figure was supposed to be released in 2007. It's now 2008, and still no more Avatar figures on the shelves. If the action figure line was really dropped by Mattel, we need to put this in the article. --Freespirit1981 (talk) 23:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do it, but source it. It could just be delayed. Rau's Speak Page 18:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Remove mention of the 2007 release schedule, as it is false. But add no new information as it is unsourced. And a news post would work as well, it does not have to be an official webpage. Rau's Speak Page 19:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avatar action figures? 

message: I'm just wondering, why can't Avatar have Plot Summaries when other shows such as "The Simpsons", "King of the Hill" and "South Park" have them respectively.  Is it just because those shows haven't had their episode descriptions purged?
Just wondering.
--anwserman (talk) 07:29 31 May 2008 (CST)
:Pretty much. This series used to have them, but back around January, we merged them into season articles. Rau's Speak Page 18:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was not better. Simply had more information. It was far from Wikipedia's standard. Now it's closer. Rau's Speak Page 19:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: The reason those series have individual episode articles is because almost every one of those shows' episodes have been critically claimed, meaning that the episodes have been reviewed by critics. When a episode is reviewed by critics, it gives us outside information to put in that episode article. Unfortunately, there is not enough outside information, such as newspaper articles, etc, on each and every episode to make episode articles. As for this article specifically, it should have a longer plot summary. The current one is ridiculous. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ message] email) 16:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Summary 

message: I'm not terribly familiar with the processes for changing things here but I changed the line about the new series from being making to being made. I'm not even 100% sure the grammar was wrong but it definitely read rather awkwardly.
:Grammar and spelling normally don't need talk page mention. An edit summary would have been enough. But you were right, that grammar was wrong. Rau's Speak Page 12:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspected bad grammar 

message: In the article it is not stated that there are strong european cultural references. But in fact the series is quite full of European cultural and mythical references. For example that dragons are asociated with fire in the series. Only in the European traditions are dragons asociated with fire. In china they rather have an asociation with water. Further, there is a very striking moment in episode book 2 chapter 20: the crossroads of destiny. After ang has been struck by Azula's lightning bolt and katara holds him in her arms, the image is exactly that of the christian "Pieta".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.240.189 (talk) 15:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can understand the bit about the dragons, but the last one about the Pieta is a major stretch. I imagine the European influences would have appeared in the article by now if the creators had acknowledged it in interviews. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 15:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural references 

message: I'm just curious, in which countries is is referred to as this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShadowRanger (talk • contribs) 05:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At least Great Britain, but multiple countries. I think the U.S. is one of the few to use The Last Airbender. Rau's Speak Page 21:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Legend of Aang 

message: Originally slated to start in November 2004, the show was postponed twice: first to September 10, 2005,[2] then to February 21, 2005, where it finally made its debut; 
How could it have been postponed to september 10 2005 then aired on feburay 21 2005??????? i think this needs fixed not sure what is right so i will leave it to someone who knows  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewcrawford (talk • contribs) 11:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The show premiered in 2005. Because they did not air two seasons in 2006. Also, the source for the delay is invalid. So I have fixed it. Rau's Speak Page 01:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary mistake 

message: I have seen o youtube official Japanese promos for Avatar in Japanese. Also, on the article here on JApanese  Nickelodean, Avatar is on the list of shows on air. I watched an episode on the Japanese website,a nd they are already on season two. Heres a link:  http://www.nickjapan.com/programs/avatar/index.html WHy then is there nothing on this article about it being dubbed in Japanese? Mew Mitsuki (talk) 00:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, Avatar is dubbed in multiple languages. Why would we mention one when we don't mention the others? Rau's Speak Page 01:16, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

text: While I agree that it should be mentioned, I don't think the infobox (the righthand thingy) is big enough. Rau's Speak Page 18:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Hey, I've been here almost a year and even I don't know the terminology. I search new terms in google or FireFox's search box. And I could see a section on it. Or I've also seen it where the infobox has it all, but it's hidden with [hide/show] beside one of them. If someone could gather the information, I could figure out how to do that bit. Rau's Speak Page 00:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know how to put it behind a hide/show in the infobox, but I do know that the infobox will expand if you insert a break command between each entry to move the next language to the next line. The only trouble with this is that the infobox could bump into something further down the article if it gets too long. It's the same way the writers and voice actors sections were made to take up multiple lines.  Hewinsj (talk) 04:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I know it expands. But I figure we are talking several countries. That simply would not look right. And I don't want to add an incomplete list. Rau's Speak Page 17:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese 

message: Ok. Tomorrow night's the finale, so we'll have to start making changes soon by putting certain things into past tense, right? Also, I doubt we'll see a Katara action figure any time soon, so let's add that no such figure has been released up to this point. --Freespirit1981 (talk) 02:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We still need a source for that. And everything should be in present tense, as per MOS. Rau's Speak Page 03:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: Ok. I've heard this news before, but we need to change the link of this information in order to keep it in the article. I'll go find one. :D--Freespirit1981 (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The day Newsarama isn't reliable is the day Satan announces his homosexuality successful bid for President of the United States. Good find. And I too hate the new site. Rau's Speak Page 20:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

text: You're probably right. I think this is better anyway. Rau's Speak Page 21:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I use it to source all the time. But we are getting chatty, only a matter of time till someone tells us to stop. Rau's Speak Page 17:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I just checked your reference and it seems to be incorrect.  They had made an edit to the interview and stated "Newsarama Note: The original article stated that there were three more seasons of of Avatar coming. According to Nickelodeon, that is not the case as of this time. We regret the error."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.26.111 (talk) 07:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New incarnation series for Avatar. 

message: Articles have been created for both Mai and Ty Lee. I was wondering if we should restrict character articles. Perhaps to main characters only? Rau's Speak Page 03:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that character articles should be limited to main characters. Also, the previous age that was listed for Azula before all of the editing madness going on recently was 15. She was the same age as Sokka and one year younger than her brother. (The reference listed for the character ages is a Nickelodeon interactive page, but I don't think that the character bios are still there. She is, however, only one year younger than her brother.) Lore aura (talk) 03:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, according to Nick's description of her (the one that's referenced), it lists her age as 14. TakaraLioness (talk) 03:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright then. I was under the impression of something different. Could you tell me where you found this on that website, because I could not find it. Lore aura (talk) 03:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to "Season 2" → "The Avatar State" → "Characters" → "Azula", there are instructions on her article, but not here because the ref is used for more than just her. And she's two years younger than Zuzu. And if we limit them to main characters, what about Suki, Mai, and Ty Lee? Rau's Speak Page 15:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mai's age is listed as 15 on that site (episode 203). I could not find Ty Lee's age though. Lore aura (talk) 20:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ty Lee's age isn't listed. But when I wrote those, my internet was being wonky so I couldn't check. Rau's Speak Page 23:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Ty Lee's age isn't stated on the main Nick site, though with Mai, there's actually a discrepancy in her age between what the Nick site says, and what the show says. While the Nick site lists her age as 15, the shows implies that her age is 17. In episode 305, "The Beach", Ty Lee does state that Mai was an only child for 15 years, which was when Tom Tom was born. However, in episode 203, "Return To Omashu" it's stated that Tom Tom is 2 years old. Obviously, if Mai was 15 when Tom Tom was born, and Tom Tom is now 2 that would make her 17. Now, I don't know if the writers simply forgot that Tom Tom was 2 when they wrote the Beach, or if they decided to slightly increase Mai's age when they were writing season 3. Ktulu84 (talk) 21:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

text: There are more than that. But these are supposed to be brief. we don't need to add stuff like that. Rau's Speak Page 02:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: I would like to propose the creation of an article for the finale. I already know of a Toon Zone review, and I am certain that both IGN and AnimationInsider will have them. I also noticed a Native American culture reference in the Giant Turtle with the earth on it's back. I'm certain that there are more culture references. Rau's Speak Page 02:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are articles for each episode. If there is not currently an article for the various episodes of the finale (parts 1-4 individually), then you could begin it, following the same format as the other episode articles. Lore aura (talk) 03:01, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are no articles for each episode. They were deleted a while back. However, I agree that Sozin's Comet has the notability to pass an AfD. Do it, and I will help after I get some sleep.  --haha169 (talk) 05:32, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This shows how long it has been since I have last been editing in this section, but I agree. Even if there are no articles for individual episodes anymore, if you feel that the descriptions in the Avatar Season 3 episodes section is not adequate (although it looks to cover all of the important points already), then you could try creating an article for Sozin's Comet. Lore aura (talk) 20:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll start it once more reviews are released from sources like IGN. (The only one so far is from Toonzone or something like that.) I'll also like viewership counts, etc, as well as production. If we can produce a compilation of links right now, it would be very helpful. The article can be started in about...3 days or so, if the correct info is released. :) --haha169 (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I hadn't started it today. People might just redirect it. Rau's Speak Page 23:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sozin's Comet article 

message: Under Iroh's description on the Avatar main page, the White Lotus is described as being made up of benders. However, they are not all benders as shown by Sokka's master.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by M9jorodb (talk • contribs) 05:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And why are you telling us this? Go to Avatar Wikia and tell them that...Wikipedia doesn't control Wikia affairs. --haha169 (talk) 22:26, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  White Lotus 

message: "Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko have also confirmed that a new series of Avatar, focusing on another incarnation of the character, is in the process of being made."
I checked the linked section and there is a disclaimer that thee will NOT be a season 4 as also shown from the "The End" in the final episode.
The website states: "Newsarama Note: The original article stated that there were three more seasons of of Avatar coming. According to Nickelodeon, that is not the case as of this time. We regret the error."
Did I miss something about a new series in that linked reference, or is it talking about the movies?
shadzar-talk 06:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean a spin-off. --haha169 (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

text: You can read it clearly at 100. But with out any plot details, I think we should only mention it. Not go into much detail. Rau's Speak Page 02:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

text: IMDB still isn't reliable. Rau's Speak Page 02:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I KNOW!!! I hope they clear up a few things. I mean geez, it's like they don't know what a hard time they give us... Rau's Speak Page 02:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Avatar is such a great show - but they feel like they have the right to wait HALF-a YEAR to give us new episodes. Such quality material...but they like delaying a lot...and making us (fans) wait... --haha169 (talk) 17:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Perhaps this had something to do with my reasoning: the interview An Avatar Spring Break with Mike and Bryan from April 6, 2007 (http://www.avatarspiritmedia.net/interviews.php?id=18). In the first part of the interview, Michael Dante DiMartino says, "We love the avatar universe so we want to keep telling stories in it if we have the outlet for it. We're just not interested in watering this storyline down, or filling it...keeping it dragging on. We try to make it as potent as we can. That's our big priority. Still, we'll do some other things. (laughter) We're not retiring." Malumultimus (talk) 14:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's exactly what a spin-off is. A show that is based on elements of another. Whether this involves a new Avatar, and old one, or none at all remains to be seen. Rau's Speak Page 16:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, though, it is not -- there is no "split" from the original series. Is Final Fantasy XII a spin-off of Final Fantasy Tactics? A different game based on a different story of the same world. I'd think some other element (such as, characters) needs to be shaved off and capitalized on for it to be a spin-off. From what they said...this is just another legend. If they had had the foresight, I imagine this one could've come first, before The Last Airbender. Would it be a spin-off then? I do not believe a spin-off can go both ways... Frasier couldn't have come before Cheers, unbelievably minimalizing the main character's role with the other 98% of the series being completely unheard of. Malumultimus (talk) 15:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future faux pas? 

message: Here are some statistics from the finale/the week of the finale. This should be incorporated into the Response/Ratings section. Also, in the lead, the following sentence needs to be changed for the finale statistics:
"Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing..."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.23.231.183 (talk) 05:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. That is a useful link to hold on to when the Sozin's Comet article is created, per discussion above. --haha169 (talk) 17:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the same thing. Rau's Speak Page 21:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's another one, and it is an amazing review. Must read. --haha169 (talk) 01:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And another. --haha169 (talk) 01:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Btw, this is the original to the link provided by the IP above, and this is a whole new, awesome article! --haha169 (talk) 01:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm making a sandbox for the Sozin's Comet article here. Please do not create it if the link is still red, as I am probably working on it. If it is blue, please edit as much as you like - but no vandalism please. --haha169 (talk) 03:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finale Statistics 

message: In episodes "The Day of Black Sun Part 1: The Invasion" and "Sozin's Comet Part 4: Avatar Aang" it clearly shows Aang and Katara's romantic relationship. I think that Aang and Katara's relationship should be added in the character section in the article under their descriptions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.81.31 (talk) 01:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Give an example of this being used in any other character bios on Wikipedia. Yes, they have a relationship, but it accounts for perhaps 0.2% of the series, and 1% of the episodes you've mentioned. --haha169 (talk) 20:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We've got a problem with multiple IP's re-adding the fancruft about the kiss to both Aang and Katara's individual articles. I urge other editors to monitor these pages so we can nip this thing in the bud. I've already warned a couple of anon's, but more warnings are due. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 04:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Your logic is riddled with failure. Many fictional characters have a section dedicated to their relationships - be they family, friends, enemies, or significant others.  They are included because of their affect on that person's characterization and also because many fans consider these things to be an important piece of knowledge to know.  If these pages are meant to be an encyclopedia of all things Avatar, I see no reason to forbid mention of canon and fact because you deem it irrelevant for some reason.  In fact, if we want to get super-technical, Aang's relationship with Katara is critical to the ending of season 2 itself.  Long story short: this personal vendetta you have against this and the other characters' pages really ought to stop and is borderline abuse. --Cheeseswan (talk) 20:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

text: No. Rau's Speak Page 11:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aang and Katara's Relationship 

message: I just removed relationship crap from Mai, Zuko, and Sokka's pages as well. These pages need to be watched also. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 05:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More relationship fancruft

message: At the SDCC They said that there is going to be an MMOG for Avatar out in september. There is also a video on youtube about it. Shoul we add something here on it? Mew Mitsuki (talk) 20:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please explain what SDCC and MMOG are for the less hip people who don't use acronyms. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 21:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: San Diego Comic-Con, Massive Multiplayer Online Game. Wow, look at all the ' marks.... Rau's Speak Page 22:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, okay. I've always wanted to go to the SDCC. Anyway, I don't think it's worth mentioning. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

text: What is the link for the page? --Ghostexorcist (talk) 00:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Avatar: Legends of the Arena Should probably be redirected to a section here. Rau's Speak Page 01:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MMOG 

message: I was recently looking up some information on the game Pai Sho from the Avatar series; however, when I searched for it on Wikipedia, I found that the article redirected to the show's page - which has no information regarding the game whatsoever.  Is there a reason this prominent game from the series is not mentioned, yet is provided a redirection? :/  -- 75.22.205.30 (talk) 01:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is entirely fictional, created for the show. The redirect should probably be deleted. Rau's Speak Page 02:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pai Sho 

message: I noted that the Plot Synopsis had no detail at all about the individual seasons. I added one sentence summaries for each season, but that is certainly an area that needs major expansion. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 04:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Synopsis 

message: I'm trying to understand and justify why characters like Suki, Mai, and Ty Lee have character pages.  I can understand Aang, Katara, Sokka, Toph, Iroh, Azula, Zuko, Appa, and maybe Momo.  But these other characters haven't contributed much to the show and overall storyline of defeating the Fire Lord.  I think it would be wiser to do as other show wiki's do, and merge ALL secondary characters together onto their own page "List of secondary characters".  There is little information on all three of them, I don't think they each deserve their own pages.  MisterZeppo (talk) 17:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Suki has a page because a sockpuppet insisted on creating one, and Ty Lee and Mai have pages because someone made them. But I agree that they shouldn't have pages. Rau's Speak Page 17:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job redirecting the secondary characters of Suki, Mai, and Ty Lee to the secondary characters page.  Before anyone thinks of adding them again, please discuss it here and justify how they aren't secondary characters.  Individual character pages should be for the main characters only.  MisterZeppo (talk) 21:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the pages for Suki, Mai, and Ty Lee should be restored ASAP, as they have played an important role in the events of the series despite their status as secondary characters. First of all, Suki and Mai are major love interests of the main characters. Second, it was Suki's capture by Azula near the end of Season 2 that directly resulted in the fall of Ba Sing Se and the events of Season 3. Third, Mai and Ty Lee's betrayal of Azula mid-way through Season 3 was the catalyst for Azula's eventual defeat in the finale. Their eventual betrayal, which was obvious from the moment of their premiere, paved the way for the results of the final battle in the finale. Though they have not enjoyed the screentime of other characters, they have had a major impact on the events of the series and its eventual outcome. Therefore, they are entitled to their own pages, which will also serve to fill any plotholes existing in related character articles. Please reconsider the reinstatement of these three characters. Thanks for listening.68.39.141.232 (talk) 22:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not about importance. It's about notability. Something they lack. Rau's Speak Page 22:45, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secondary characters 

message: In the section about her in this article, Azula's fate is left out. I just happen to know for a fact that she was placed in a mental health hospital. Here's proof:  . Go to the final chapter on the map, then click on Characters and finally the picture of Azula. It says it there. Should we put this in the article?--Freespirit1981 (talk) 18:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azula's fate 

message: I think the Last Airbender should get its own article now as Paramount has officially called for casting and has a website devoted to it. The article could display as much information, such as the Plot synopsis, brief introduction, trivia (if any), and a link to the Paramount Picture's casting page. There is also an official logo too. Thanks.
:It hasn't started filming. Nothing is really set in stone until then. Paramount could decide they don't like the direction it's going in and pull the plug. Could you give a link to the site? Rau's Speak Page 15:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Last Airbender 

message: Why would they need to wait until a solar eclipse to attack the fire nation? If all that does is blot out the sun, well, that happens every night except for a longer period of time and the moon is out, which strenghthens water benders. ForteKane (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At night, there is still sunlight reflecting off of the moon. But during an eclipse, the sunlight is being blocked. But thats all speculation and this really doesn't improve the article. Rau's Speak Page 22:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solar Eclipse 

message: I heard there was going to be a new series featuring a new Avatar.  The person who said it claimed it was in Nick magazine.  I can't find anyone talking about it, though, so I suspect they're wrong?  -- AvatarMN (talk) 05:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A verifiable source would be nice. I've heard that too, but with no substantiation, so I'm going to assume it is just rumors that are flying around. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 05:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Naturally, we need a source.  But this someone claims it's in the new Nick magazine, so I was hoping someone who has it would respond and say it is or isn't.  -- AvatarMN (talk) 06:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is more Avatar in the works, that much is fact. They have said so at the previous two comic-cons and a recent issue of Nick Magazine shows Avatar movies in the spring. *SIGN* 07:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sequel series 

message: How come there is no section about music?. --SkyWalker (talk) 05:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was... at one point or another. Or at least information on it. There should be... *SIGN* 01:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. The information needs to be readded. I heard there was petition to release the soundtracks. --SkyWalker (talk) 05:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? Thats a juicy piece of info that would make that section rather good. *SIGN* 15:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here, That is the best piece of information about the music of The Last Airbender. I wish they will be sequel to this or something. :(--SkyWalker (talk) 13:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music? 

message: (I have posted this on the Bending talk page, as well.)  Just a quick question: do we consider "bending," and all derived terms, proper nouns or not?  While the obvious answer is yes, they are thrown around so often that it can become visually noisy to have all of that capitalization.  Either way, the style across all of the articles is literally half-and-half, and there really ought to be a standard.  Ngorongoro (talk) 14:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would count them as proper nouns, just because they are unique to Avatar only and have not gained prominence throughout the English-speaking population. If you do find instances where the are lowercase, feel free to change it to uppercase :) NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 14:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't consider them proper nouns. I wouldn't consider them nouns at all. They are verbs. *SIGN* 18:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: More specifically, they are Gerunds, like the word swimming. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 21:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Show off, it's still a verb. And verbs don't get capitalized... I don't even think that there are "proper verbs", are there? *SIGN* 03:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In some cases, yes, there are. Especially because gerunds are used as nouns. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 04:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But even then, you don't capitalize it. You don't say "hes a Swimmer", you say "hes a swimmer". *SIGN* 10:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's because "swimmer" is not a proper noun. Garyzx (talk) 01:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither is bending. *SIGN* 01:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But they are proper gerunds. You should say "that Firebender" or "his Firebending." NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 02:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't make sense to me. This type of gerund is a verb. Verbs do not have a "proper" form. I've been educated in English for over a decade, and I have never heard of a "proper verb". To me, capitalizing this is like capitalizing swim. *SIGN* 03:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

text: No. I would not. *SIGN* 22:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style 

message: I've just learned that Avatar is up for two Annie Awards this year: "Best Animated Television Production for Children" and "Best Directing in an Animated Television Production or Short Form". Here's the link as proof:
. --Freespirit1981 (talk) 19:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure thing. I think I fixed it; see my edits here: . There were some issues with the formatting, so I just copied some previous lines and readded the formatting. Thanks for finding this information! - NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 15:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry about it. :P Avatar isn't eligible for the 37th Annie Awards. And I found it useful to just simple copy&paste the previous formatting when trying to do complicated coding on Wikipedia.--haha169 (talk) 20:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More award nominations! :D 

message: Everytime i click on a link for a creature that has appeared in another article, it links me back to the main avatar page. did there used to be an article on this or are the redirections wrong or something?--203.196.42.179 (talk) 15:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that there used to be articles for these. Those false redirects should be delinked; I'll do that now. - NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 17:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirecting the list of creatures in Avatar? 

message: Why don't we make a new article for The Last Airbender? I've got sources lined up that we could use. -Dylan0513 (talk) 21:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then go ahead, be bold in doing so! I'll help out if you wish. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 23:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I put a start on the article. Please everyone feel free to help in expanding it! -Dylan0513 (talk) 00:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NFF. Why this particular film deserves an article when filming has not begun is something you cannot justify. Alientraveller (talk) 16:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Excuse me, first of all, you are being rude. Secondly, you need to discuss changes before making them yourself. I agree that we shouldn't have the article now that I read the policy, but 2 does not make a consensus. The article stays as an article until discussed first. -Dylan0513 (talk) 17:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if you feel I'm rude, but I believe you are ruder for violating guidelines without a decent reason. For this, I will nominate the article for deletion. Alientraveller (talk) 17:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So, if I understand correctly, taking action against a non-user-related article based on personal offense against an individual user, after said user admitted their error and offered to discuss the matter, while throwing out consideration for the opinions of others and refusing to discuss the matter civilly, is not rude?  Ngorongoro (talk) 18:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've lost track of what's going on myself, but if anyone's interested here's Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Last Airbender. Again, sorry for whatever unintended offense. Alientraveller (talk) 18:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Continue discussion here alientraveler, and please, make it civilized. -Dylan0513 (talk) 19:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Look at my sandbox please, its there temporarily until production starts.  ChaosMaster16 (talk) 01:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Article for the Movie? 

message: I'm sure I am not alone in this, but when I am looking for this artical, I simply type The Last Airbender into the search box (it is too much hastle to type Avatar: The Last Airbender and Avatar has many meanings). Anyway, I have just done this now only to be redirected straight to the bottom of the page to the film information. Can someone change this (I have no idea how too) as The Last Airbender is (even though the series has endded) more commonly refeded too the show more then the film at this moment in time and it is annoying to have to scroll up to the top of the page when you shouldn't have too.Wild ste (talk) 19:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Last Airbender is the name of the upcoming movie, and actually was its own article for a while. If you have a source for TLA commonly referring to the show rather than the movie, we should do that, but it doesn't seem like that in my experiences. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 19:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The main reason I said that was because this has happened before. Someone did this earlier last year and I put pretty much this same comment on here and someone reverted it. As the film hasn't even cast anyone yet, surely the show is more important?Wild ste (talk) 14:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The film already has cast some people, although it is still shaky and rather controversial. In any case, since there is already a section on the film, then the redirect should go there. For future reference, you can change the redirect by going to the redirect's name + &redirect=no in the url bar. --haha169 (talk) 05:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Last Airbender redirect 

message: Just something I noticed, the synopsis for the third seasons mentions "Fire Lady Azula". I don't remember this ever being mentioned in the episodes, she was refered to Fire Lord Azula by her father when he named her such, and she herself used Fire Lord rather than Fire Lady.
Where did this come from? 125.238.124.165 (talk) 10:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It might have been a bit of assumption. If you remember Azula using Fire Lord, I'll change it. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 13:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, they never use Fire Lady in the show. ..I remember having this discussion before here, wonder how it snuck back in the article. -Dylan0513 (talk) 15:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fire Lady 

message: Why does the section even exist in the article? It's not an important part of the show. The section just includes some trivial quotes. There really is no controversy, Avatar is American Animation, not an Anime. -Dylan0513 (talk) 23:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps this shouldn't exist as it is own section, but points should definitely be made about this. Avatar is completely different from both Japanese and American animation, and recognition of that fact is a necessity. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 23:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, the section definitely shouldn't be titled "anime." What else might go in the section? Maybe it could be included in a "reception" type section. We've already got Ratings and Awards under Response, so we could put it as another sub heading under there with some other info on how critics have reacted to the show's style? -Dylan0513 (talk) 23:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime Section 

message: Does this article really need an entire section on the console games? They have their own articles, and they're mentioned in the introduction.
Furthermore, there's conflicting information-The section here claims that "The Last Airbender" video game was THE top selling THQ product of 2006, while the actual article for the game claims that it was the top selling NICKELODEON product. Could we get some verification and cleanup here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.44.120 (talk) 02:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They relate to the article, and are written as one sentence summary style pieces. I see no reason to remove it. Also, I have fixed the mistake I had put when writing it. Thanks for noticing! NuclearWarfare (Talk) 02:40, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For this being the main article there is not only no problem, it is necessary as the topic covers the entire series and all notable media to some extent. That they all have their own article is irrelevant. Whether they had their own article or not, they are still relevant to the series.じんない 08:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games Section? 

message: The section of this article that gives the backgrounds of Season 1, 2, and 3 give away a lot of the story, almost spoiling the show for dedicated fans of Avatar who haven't seen season 2 (and/or 3) yet. Dragon798 (talk) 14:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:Spoiler BOVINEBOY2008 14:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much information 

message: I just had an idea. Instead of merging the Characters list to this article and risk congesting it - why not we just merge all the individual character articles (except Aang) to the List? This way, we get to keep all the secondary character information, include real-world text from the individual articles, as well as finally cut down on the excessive images and plot-details present in a few of the individual articles.--haha169 (talk) 00:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the character articles are in pretty good shape. I know at one point we were trying to get Zuko FAed. I don't think we should only merge certain character articles and not others. -Dylan0513 (talk) 02:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Then we could leave the character articles alone. It doesn't matter too much, anyway. But I just began working on the character list, and I personally think that it has some potential of becoming an FL. --haha169 (talk) 02:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Dylan, these days, there is no way that Zuko, or even any of themc, ould get through WP:FAC, as standards have grown too high. It would be a nearly impossible to even get them through WP:GA. Haha, this idea to at least distill two or three paragraphs from the main articles, a bit longer than those of List of Naruto characters, should be pretty good. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 02:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The point was that it was close at one point. It only takes a little effort from a few editors to get articles into shape. Also, let me reiterate that we should not be deleting content to make things easier on ourselves. -Dylan0513 (talk) 03:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't think that that was my original intention. I'm fairly happy with the way that haha has to taken to start a massive rewrite (and synthesis from the main article) for List of Avatar: The Last Airbender characters. Once he is done, I'll take a look at seeing where we could clean up, cite, synthesize more, etc. If we could get this to WP:GA, that would be perfect. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 03:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the character article really doesn't look too bad now. And this is coming from the person who most adamantly opposed its existence. Actually, might not be too hard to get it to be a featured list. -Dylan0513 (talk) 03:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I didn't much like the lead from this article (since lists require a different style from articles, so I borrowed it mostly from episode list and changed it to focus on characters. (List of characters in Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow and Dawn of Sorrow) was actually my template b/c it is the only "Character list" FL in existence. Anyway, I'm a little tired now, so I'll be taking a little rest. I'll start up on working the individual character's summaries later.--haha169 (talk) 03:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Character list expansion idea

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