Talk:Madonna/Archive 6

message: The alias is not necessary legal. It should be Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone Ritchie. I included an official source from Callaway Arts & Entertainment. http://www.callaway.com/publishing_madonnabio.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Israell (talk • contribs) 00:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alias 

message: Under the musical influences section, an interview with Madonna in the Observer dated October 29, 2006 is mentioned.  I have tried the Observer/Guardian Unlimited website and can find no trace of this interview.  Can someone provide a citation please? 86.158.131.45 (talk) 16:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation required

message: Several articles mention those titles. Madonna is sometimes referred to as The Material Girl and The Queen Of Pop by the media.
This could be okay. Israell
:Whose this? Please sign your comments and the third source is a fansite. Not required as a better source exists.  Vikrant 16:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material Girl/Queen Of Pop 

message: Why are these lists added in? thats why there are links to separate articles on the lists for each, so that there is not long lists filling up this article. These should be removed. JKW111 (talk) 08:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  video/film/book lists 

message: Where are the discography, videography, filmography.... lists links?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.172.60.49 (talk) 18:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography,Videography... 

message: *Quite a few fair use issues. Considering Commons:Madonna (entertainer), why not just fill the thing with free images, and get rid of the fair use?
** The paintings related screenshot cant be replaced so its still present. Vikrant 12:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: I'm trying to be a honest as I can. "She is often referred to as "Material Girl" and "Queen Of Pop" by the media." would be more correct than "sometimes". I see those titles all the time. This new article mentions both titles. http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/168937.html One more new article. http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14585814 Israell (talk) 09:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material Girl/Queen Of Pop 

message: A whole bunch of pictures were added that are NOT free.  They are copyrighted.  Please do not add them.  One photo was actually taken from the Who's That Girl DVD cover, another from People.com.  These images will be deleted.  Do NOT repost. Maddyfan (talk) 12:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Do not add unfree images

message: What is with these pictures? The Bedtime Story picture is not relevant to anything discussed in the article (the song is mentioned  without any other point - nothing about the video). The other two pictures are not even in the right sections, and in any case I don't think add anything to the article. they are really just there for vanity. Pictures should be used if they illustrate something in the article that is more effective if shown visually. Let's try to get more appropriate pics, otherwise the article is better without them. JKW111 (talk) 14:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And Bedtime stories describes its content. The article must cover the style of Madonna's work.  Vikrant 09:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

text: There's no restriction on size if content is relevant. So what "too long" are you talking about? And there may not be sources for influence of art.  Vikrant 09:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At the moment there's no reference for the caption on the Bedtime Story image. If no reference, then the caption should be changed to not refer to influences, which then raises question of relevance and policy on fair use images.JKW111 (talk) 10:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I just saw WP:SIZE. Less than 100 KB need not be split if the topic is vast.  Vikrant 09:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that 100K limit is not a hard rule, but some parts of the article seems to be a minute by minute record rather than key highlights. Eg, why does every single need to be mentioned when these are covered in numerous other articles and lists - only milestone singles should be covered, and why include the long block quote? It should be sufficient to say that she defended the claims, especially since there is a separate 'controversies' article. But happy to hear from others on areas for improvement. JKW111 (talk) 10:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  and still doing.  Vikrant 10:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The block quote may be shortened, not actually removed.  Vikrant 10:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Madonna.Com says that Everyody was relesed on April 24, 1982. It might not have been the commercial release date but it should be mentionned in the article since it's her first single. Good piece of information for an encyclopedia. Israell (talk) 22:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think an encyclopedia needs to do better than words like "huge dancefloor hit". Is there any suitable reference as to the success of the song (other than from Madonna's publicist). JKW111 (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  though there is no urgent need of refs  Vikrant 09:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Everybody" 

message: How is she a musician???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.150.72.114 (talk) 18:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See the musician article. She's a singer and writer.  Vikrant 09:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musician 

message: The John Mellencamp article says:
 
"On March 10, 2008, John Mellencamp will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, along with Madonna, Leonard Cohen, The Ventures, and The Dave Clark Five.[1]" on top.
The Leonard Cohen and The Dave Clark Five articles mention the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony on top too. If it can't be shown here, it can't be shown elsewhere neither and I'm gonna remove it from those other articles. [I'm having at laugh at the moment *LOL*, but seriously...] Israell (talk) 04:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure the Hall of Fame is the most important thing, but certaintly the article summary needs some expansion to better sum up her career. Key info woudl include "best known for", number of albums, number of #1's, number of grammys ... Any volunteers?? JKW111 (talk) 06:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: He/she is right, Madonna isn't a musician. And she's listed as musician under her Occupations.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dswhite85 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 

message: I dont like this para - it has admitted 'speculation' without sources, and I cant really see how it is a criticism. In any case, i think Madonna recently said that the whole Bernhart relationship was just provoking the media and there was no actual sexual relationship. I think this para should be removed. Critiscism of the Sex book is covered elsewhere. JKW111 (talk) 06:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait. The full para is straight from the US bisexuality book.  Vikrant 14:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a ref for how madonna reacted to Bernhart's story?  Vikrant 14:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: At the end of the paragraph.  Vikrant 10:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah! I see now. Thx. But still, Im not sure what the "criticism" is?? JKW111 (talk) 12:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First line. even that's from the book.  Vikrant 10:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It says public intrigue and scrutiny, neither of which amounts to criticism. It needs to specifically say what she did, what the criticism actually was, and who made the criticism. At the moment its a very passive para with weasel words - it might be ok for the book its from, but is a very weak paragraph for wikipedia. I think the book it raising it as a point of saying Madonna has challenged sexual boundaries and therefore made a positive contribution, and is not raising it in the context of explaining criticism of the artist. JKW111 (talk) 13:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Bernhart's issue is expandable, so it can stay for now.  Vikrant 07:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms - sexuality 

message: Editors of this article may wish to take note of WP:Articles for deletion/Madonna's controversies. (Per WP:CANVAS I am mentioning this here to improve the quality of the discussion rather than to influence the outcome.) -Verdatum (talk) 15:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna's controversies 

message: Shouldn't this be rephrased to "She's also the most successful female recording artist in the US, having the most certified albums and singles, the most Top 40 singles, and the most Top 10 singles (36), the most for any artist which is a rare feat that ties her with Elvis Presly (with "Hung Up") on top of her 12 Hot 100 No. 1 singles.  She's also the female with the most No. 1 singles in any component chart in the history of Billboard Charts - 37 No. 1 Singles in the Dance Chart.Diphosphate8 (talk) 02:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Successful female only in the UK??? 

message: Does the fact a species of water bear was named in her honor constitute a specific section in the article? Even looking past that, is it appropriate to title that section "Influence on Science"? If it needs to be kept how about making the title more accurate; "In Taxonomy"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.20.31.226 (talk) 04:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence on Science? 

message: How come this article is so bare with pictures and audio. There should be a picture for each era since she is known for her reinventions and different images. There should be audio clips of her debut single "Everybody", "Like A Virgin" (made her a star), "Like A Prayer" (most critically acclaimed song), "Take A Bow" (shows she attepmts to sing, and represents the short R&B phase after erotica), "Ray of Light" (her big comeback).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoop85 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures & Audio 

message: 37 number-one Hot Dance Club Play hits in the USA for Madonna: should be mentioned!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.206.44.98 (talk) 08:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the source for this fact?  Vikrant 16:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Billboard of what date? Whats the name of the article? Who wrote it? All of this should be known. Vikrant 15:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dance chart 

message: Madonna is the top-selling female recording artist in the U.S., that is if we combine both her albums and singles sales.  But if you're going to break it down, in the album category, she is second to Barbra Streisand while for the singles category, she tops among all female artists.  She is also the female artist w/ most certified singles (gold,platinum and dimond) in the U.S. surpassing The Beatles' record.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diphosphate8 (talk • contribs) 03:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Madonna was named as ‘’’RIAA's Artist Of The Century’s Best Selling Female Rock Artist’’’, along with Elvis Presley (Best Selling Male Rock Artist) and The Beatles (Best Selling Rock Group and Best Selling Artist Over-all).   Here’s the link for that article: http://www.riaa.com/newsitem.php?news_year_filter=1999&resultpage=2&id=3ABF3EC8-EF5B-58F9-E949-3B57F5E313DF.  This certainly deserves a space in the introduction.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diphosphate8 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Elvis and Beatles arent needed here at all.  Vikrant 15:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna is the top-selling female, per RIAA 

message: On 2006-11-01, Madonna responded to Banda's comments on an Dateline NBC interview with Meredith Vieira by saying that Yohane Banda had known what he was doing, having refused to accept her offer to financially support him and the child without adopting the child.
I scan this as "Madonna offered to support Yohane Banda and his child without adopting the child. Yohane Banda refused that offer." Is this what is intended? Is there a source for what was actually said? -Wikianon (talk) 19:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarify

message: Could we rephrase the statement to "She is the second top selling female artist in the U.S. in terms of albums sales and the top selling female in the singles sales."  The one in the article link only refers to her U.S. ALBUMS sales only.  Diphosphate8 (talk) 03:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok here's the link showing Madonna's 26 singles certified by RIAA:http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS  She's the female artist with the most certified singles (26) in the U.S. and only behind Elvis Presley's 28.  Kindly add this statement in the intro.  It certainly deserves a space there. Wikipedia happens to have an entry on RIAA certification and you can also refer to that one.  Thanks! Diphosphate8 (talk) 03:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The RIAA website is where you can verify her 26 certified singles.  Plus the wikipedia entry on RIAA certification (artists w/ most certified singles) can back that up.  Thanks! Diphosphate8 (talk) 16:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

text: If those seem not enough, here are two links for Madonna's rare singles chart record: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/12/02/madonna-ties-elvis-for-mo_n_11602.html and 
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/chart_beat/bonus_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001570647.   It's a feat matching Elvis Presley's 36 top 10 hits, the most for any artist in the rock era.  
So it's okay to say that Per RIAA, Madonna is the second top selling female artist in the U.S. in terms of album sales but  she tops among all female artists in the U.S. singles chart having 36 Top 10 singles (the most for any artist in the rock era, tying her with Elvis Presley) and having 26 RIAA-certified singles (the most for any female artist). All the links above would verify these statements.  Thank you. 24.225.92.93 (talk) 17:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Billboard is enough.  Vikrant 12:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

text: End of para 2: "In 2005, she tied with Elvis Presley's record of 36 top 10 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 charts, the most for any rock artist.[10]"  Vikrant 13:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, "Rock era" is a purely essay style term. Vikrant 12:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  specify 2nd top selling in US