Talk:Pretty on the Inside

message: Even on Hole's main page, the term "grunge" is constantly being listed as a genre and as one of the band's stand-out styles. The same goes for Pretty on the Inside and Live Through This, as well as some singles and EPs and the term — which is an incorrect term to use anyway — is being thrown around and used loosely.
As much as some critics consider Hole to be a "grunge" band or at the very least, part of the grunge movement itself, the fact is the band were not either. Considering "grunge" as a genre, there's a number of arguements to evidently show that this record, and the band itself, were not a "grunge" band:
* Not once did the band as a whole — or an individual member — refer to the band as being "grunge."
* The band were not inspired by grunge aesthetics/dynamics, even though they shared mutual influence on a number of bands.
* This record — as described by members of the band in interviews — was not intended to produce a "grunge" sound or become part of the grunge scene.
* Hole's sound is based on simple alternative rock, which is the solid structure of all four studio albums, however, "grunge" music — though it was an influence on Live Through This — did not play a significant role in this album or any of their studio albums. No wave/contemporary punk rock influenced Pretty on the Inside, not "grunge" music and "grunge" certainly wasn't the final product.
Hence, "grunge" is an incorrect term for either Hole's style or genre and more specifically, Pretty on the Inside's style/genre, and a lazy way of generalizing any album related to someone related to someone else related to someone else who was considered part of the grunge movement or as having a "grunge" band. I would then suggest that "grunge" stop being listed as a genre and a more accurate description of its main genre (alternative rock) and subgenre (punk rock) be listed, in order to give the reader a more broad and correct description of the album's sound. Idiotchalk (talk) 10:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because a band didn't say they were grunge doesn't mean they aren't. My Chemical Romance, as awful as the band is, are labeled emo, even though they deny it.--F-22 RaptörAces High♠ 21:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Grunge is desribed, according to Wikipedia, which I feel the description is accurate enough "Inspired by hardcore punk, heavy metal and indie rock, grunge is generally characterized by heavily distorted electric guitars, contrasting song dynamics, and apathetic or angst-filled lyrics." Hole are punk-influenced, yes, but their sound are not a full punk aesthetic. Go on their last.fm page, grunge is their dominant genre, and this is tens of thousands of people labeling these bands, you're practically the first person NOT calling them grunge, and don't tell me it's a fact, all genre arguments turn out to be subjective and a matter of opinion. My sources along with my agreement on their grunge status dominate your unsourced POVish theory on the band.--F-22 RaptörAces High♠ 00:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Grunge" genre

message: Just wanted to say, really well written article.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.135.52.251 (talk) 22:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
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message: The name is originally misspelled "Garbadge Man". That's the way it's featured in the back cover and registered in BMI. Check it out and see.
I will probably be removing the "Garbadge Man" information from the Trivia section in order to clean it up and follow Wikipedia guidelines about Trivia sections, since there is a full article on "Garbadge Man" now. --74.34.68.224 (talk) 01:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: Any chance anyone is willing to review this for GA status? I've worked a ton on it, and I think it's just about near perfection. I'm looking to get it to FA status. Scottdoesntknow (talk) 03:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: I have contributed a lot to this article and believe that it is comprehensive and well-written enough to make featured article status. I nominated it as a candidate and hope that editors will consider and look it over. Scottdoesntknow (talk) 21:31, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nominating for FA status

message: I tried in the past but it didn't get promoted, but I think the quality of this article is on-par with FA status. I'd like to see someone else give it a shot. Scottdoesntknow (talk) 08:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone wanna nominate this for Featured Article status? 

message: Idiotchalk said he was looking to submit this as a Featured Article Candidate, so to start of I took a look at the references. Firstly, they need to be standardized and cleaned up--I see very different date formats, titles lacking italics, and uncapitalized words in titles.
The following references are questionable. Idiotchalk, please establish why these citations are reliable sources, per WP:RS:
*"Pretty on the Inside by Hole". iTunes. Retrieved August 9, 2011
*Pelliccia, Nicole (8 October 2008). "Hole". Teen Scene Magazine. Retrieved 29 December 2011. (The link is dead as well)
*"Artists: Hole". Rock On The Net. Retrieved 13 September 2011.
*Mejia, Victoria. "Inger Lorre". The Plague. Retrieved 19 April 2011.
*"VICKI BERNDT «". Rocket Surgey Webzine. April 16, 2012. Retrieved April 19, 2012.
*"Smashing Pumpkins / Hole - 1991". Flickr. 19 December 1991. Retrieved 13 September 2011.
*"Upcoming Releases". Insound. Retrieved 5 June 2011.
*"HOLE - PRETTY ON THE INSIDE (180g LP)". Music Direct. Retrieved 6 June 2011.
*Granger, Kevin (24 May 2011). "Courtney Love Photo Gallery Text: Biography". The Fix. Retrieved 11 August 2011.
*"Hole at Terminal 5 NYC April 27, 2010". Media Decay. 27 April 2010. Retrieved 27 March 2011.
Also, remove any YouTube links that aren't the property of the uploader and anything that sources IMDB, Discogs, or any similar user-based site. Also, reconsider Who Killed Kurt Cobain? The Mysterious Death of an Icon, which is a ... questionable source, to say the least. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference review