Talk:Geraint Thomas

message: Why was the last revision made? The previous version seems far more complete to me! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blogdroed (talk • contribs).
:It was. I've reverted the unexplained blanking. SeveroTC 21:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: It is fair to say that Geraint Thomas rides for both Wales in the Commonwealth Games and Great Britain at the Olympic Games. To remove one or the other implies bias and causes arguments from both sides of the fence - those who only want to see Wales, and others who insist on GBR. See Talk:Chris Hoy for a recent similar discussion. Hence as I put in my Edit summary - keep both to save arguments.Thaf (talk) 14:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand the argument about Chris Hoy. If he feels British good luck to him. However, arguments about Chris Hoy should be made, and remain, on that article. Geraint Thomas has a Welsh forename and surname, he was born in Cardiff and is even quoted in this article saying  "It would be great to do a lap of honour draped in the Welsh flag if I win a gold medal ..." So you can't doubt his Welsh credentials. You say "It is fair to say that Geraint Thomas rides for both Wales in the Commonwealth Games and Great Britain at the Olympic Games." Yes he does. And he is already noted separately as being  a competitor for Wales and for Great Britain. I didn't change that and wouldn't want to remove it, as that would be incorrect. I only want to remove the United Kingdom from the infobox as Geraint Thomas' country. His country is noted as Wales. Anyone who wishes to learn where Wales is can easily navigate to the article about that name. Wales is a country of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom, therefore, in this context, is redundant. Providing further locations for a country in articles like this would make it very cluttered and difficult to read. You wouldn't want to include the fact that the United Kingdom was in Europe, for example. Furthermore, why is it that Chris Newton's country is noted only as England despite him being an Olympic medalist representing Britain, for example? Many other athletes are shown only as being British, or representing Great Britain/United Kingdon. As you must know, most people see the Union Flag and read it as England. There has long been a tendency to be shown as British if you're Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish, and English if you're English. I'm just trying to get some balance here. Daicaregos (talk) 17:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I note that I have not had the courtesy of a response to a single point made in my last post. I can only conclude that my arguments are considered as irrefutable and, consequently, have tacit agreement to delete the name of the redundant state from the personal  information section of the infobox. Yours Daicaregos (talk) 08:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you should assume good faith? There are many reason why someone may not have yet replied to you and discussions on Wikipedia can and do go on a long time. I think I covered many of these points in my post below. To start, if the arguments regarding the Chris Hoy article aren't relevant here, then neither are those with Chris Newton: you can't have it both ways! Now in the lede (the most important bit) it notes Thomas is a "Welsh racing cyclist". In the infobox it notes that Thomas competes for the UK/GB and Wales. To give Wales prominence here is to give it undue bias because most of the time, when competing for a national team, Thomas is competing for GB. It is only for one competition every four years that Thomas competes for Wales. Now the infobox must cover sporting nationality i.e. who he competes for. This is in line with every other sportsperson infobox. The idea that "You wouldn't want to include the fact that the United Kingdom was in Europe, for example" is irrelevant because he has never competed for Europe. As Thomas competes for Wales and GB, nether is redundant. If you want to fight an anti-English war, this article isn't the place to do it (try Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias perhaps). There is nothing controversial about the way nationality is described within this article. SeveroTC 10:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for addressing the issues. I parked the Chris Hoy reference because that argument appears to concern a separate Scottish Olympic team entry and sports funding in Scotland and so, not relevant here. The Chris Newton reference was, and is, relevant because Thaf stated that 'To remove one or the other {nationality} implies bias and causes arguments from both sides of the fence' so she decided 'to keep both nationalities'. However, Chris Newton's article has only his English nationality noted in the personal information infobox and has no Medal Table Infobox showing that he won Olympic medals representing Britain at the Games in Sydney and Athens. Thaf was not only the creator of the article, but continues to be a major contributor (to her great credit). If one says one thing and does another, it is quite legitimate that it be highlighted (please note that I do not advocate the inclusion of British nationality in Chris Newton's personal information infobox, but the addition of a Medal Table Infobox showing the medals he won representing Britain). You say 'In the infobox it notes that Thomas competes for the UK/GB and Wales'. You may be confusing the personal information infobox and the Medal Table Infobox. In the personal information infobox there is no need to note that Geraint Thomas' country is United Kingdom, as in this context, as noted above, it is redundant. You go on to say that 'As Thomas competes for Wales and GB, nether is redundant.' For whom Geraint Thomas competes is not part of his personal information, but relates to his Medal Table Infobox. By the way, your accusation that I 'want to fight an anti-English war' implies that I am racist. Your ad hominem argument is both untrue and a WP:personal attack. Please be WP:Civil. Maybe you should assume good faith? You are also mistaken in your contention that 'This is in line with every other sportsperson infobox.' There are many different sportspersons infoboxes, including numerous examples where athletes have only their own country noted, including Chris Newton's. Yours Daicaregos (talk) 12:28, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

text: just reading whats been written. Personally I think it should just have "place of birth" with his place of birth named. This page is completely inconsistent with most other cyclists pages that do just that. Having two flags there is just silly. 90.195.108.52 (talk) 22:03, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
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message: Tried to add info about his family to this article but you are trying to entrap me into signing up. No thanks.
Here's the info if any of the gatekeepers can be bothered adding it:
He is the first son of Howell Thomas, son of a farmer from Bancyfelin, Carmarthenshire,
:That link is dead. Is Howell Thomas or his father the farmer, as I'm not sure how relevant Geraint's grandfather's profession is. Spike 'em (talk) 07:33, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This source says "The man of the moment has family links with Bancyfelin, west of Carmarthen". There's more (somewhat surprising) detail about tiny Bancyfelin here Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
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