Talk:Blackburn

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thread_title: [[File:Red Rose Badge of Lancaster.svg|45px]]News

message: Bill Fox, chairman of Blackburn Rovers and president of the Football League from 1998 until his death in 1991, was born in Blackburn on 6 January 1928.
apparently became president of the football league 7 years after he died, think this may need checking out!!!
:Looks like a typo... maybe it should have read "president of the Football League from 1988", but I don't have a source to check the correct date. Anyone? - Motor (talk) 12:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill Fox 

message: Quite amazing how Blackburn Rovers gets a top-level heading, should replace with 'Sport.' Skinnyweed 23:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not really amazing. The town is justly famous for its old and relatively successful football team, high achievers for a town of its size. Incidentally, I see that Cricket is singled out from other sport. Poshseagull (talk) 07:42, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackburn Rovers heading 

message: The history section is disgusting, it's simply some copy and pasted unreadable nonsense. Needs to change. Skinnyweed 22:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have attempted to get something down here. Pretty garbled at the moment and I'm only up to the medieval period, but am gathering sources to add some more information.Theelf29 14:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: There's too many, I think it's pointless to have a cite after every mention. Skinnyweed 19:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Famous Blackburnians" cite tags 

message: I've got an exam coming up in Blackburn in a bit. Is the area known for particular rare diseases I should famiarise myself with before examining its inhabitants? JFW | T@lk 16:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Turns out it's the same as anywhere else... JFW | T@lk 23:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diseases of Blackburn 

message: This will fail a GA nomination. removed until improved. TreveXtalk 17:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Section removed

message: Hi, it's been two weeks and, although there's be huge progress, I think it's only right that we close the GA candidature as a fail for now. At the current pace of change, I envisage that it will take at least another three-to-four weeks to start meeting the GA criteria in full. What do you guys say though? --Jza84 |  Talk   17:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Jza84. I agreed with you: the article probably isn't going to come close to meeting GA criteria soon. However, I for one will be continuing to work on it. Perhaps we can subject it to the GA review process in another month or two? Beejaypii (talk) 11:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine. In the absence of a Lancashire WikiProject, feel free to give us a nudge at WP:GM or even WP:UKGEO. Best of luck in the meantime, and keep me in the loop of any big changes, please. :D --Jza84 |  Talk   22:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Close... for now?

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:Not especially. Beejaypii (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't write a lot outside of Wikipedia. Beejaypii (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Not consciously. Beejaypii (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: I've taken much of the material out of the Governance section and put it in a new section: Politics. Hopefully, the Governance section is now much more compliant with the relevant guidelines in wp:ukcities.
I think the material I've moved into the new Politics section still suffers from too much "recentism" (as Jza85 remarked in his suggestions per the GA review). However, my main aim with this edit was to improve the Governance section. Beejaypii (talk) 23:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved some of that material to Blackburn with Darwen or the Blackburn (UK Parliament constituency) articles, as it didn't pertain to Blackburn proper as such. --Jza84 |  Talk   10:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Governance and politics

message: I've made a few changes to the demography section. Instead of using the census figures for Blackburn  with Darwen, I've sourced the figures for Blackburn as a parliamentary constituency. These figures seem to relate more specifically to the town itself and are, I think, more appropriate. I've decided to remove the small amount of info on health and households as these subjects are not amongst those recommended for inclusion in this type of article at wp:UKCITIES. I've also had to reduce the size of the satellite image for the time being because the section has reduced in size. Hopefully, the whole section is now properly sourced, resolving one of the problems highlighted in the GA review. Beejaypii (talk) 16:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tackled the issue on Oldham's demography section by citing the wards as a combination. Yes it took an incredible amount of time to total up, but I feel it was worth it. Re the photographs, if a Transport section was created, the Railway station flick could be moved there. I think the coal mining flick could move to Economy or History thereby freeing up space for the satalite image to move to the Geography section. Just my thoughts. :-) --Jza84 |  Talk   02:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Demography

message: As part of the ongoing attempt to bring the article up to good article standard, I've removed most of the external links, leaving only the Blackburn Council, cottontown.org, and Lancashire Telegraph ones intact. I've also consistently formatted these remaining links and edited the descriptions. I think the section now complies with the recommendations given at the wp:UKCITIES and wp:External links articles. Hopefully, this is another step taken towards good article status. Beejaypii (talk) 10:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a good call to me. --Jza84 |  Talk   02:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: This article is generally excellent I think, and very close to the GA standard now. I have a few suggestions as to a little bit of work that I think ought to be done before its next nomination:
*There a few places in the article saying things like "... the town centre in particular has seen significant investment and redevelopment in the past 15 years" and "Over £25 million is currently being invested ...". the problem is that there is no date context for statements like that. What does currently mean? Now, or when the article was written, whenever that was? The past 15 years beginning when?
*"Those familiar with the work of the The Beatles may recognise Blackburn ...". This is just a bit too informal for an encyclopedia article I think. Best to avoid any reference to the personal voice.
*The Cultural references section is really too short for a standalone section, and may be criticised as being a (deprecated) Trivia section in disguise in its present form.
*"When Saint Mary's was consecrated, in 1826, it is believed a church had already stood on the site for several hundred years." That sentence just doesn't make sense to me.
*The way the citations are being done means that the book details are being repeated over and over again, unnecessarily. I've reformatted ref nos. 22, 23 & 25 to give an example of how to avoid that.
*I'm no expert on Blackburn, but I was surprised to find almost no mention of coal mining in this article. Was it never a significant industry or employer in the area?
*Make sure that dates are being formatted consistently; at the moment some are formatted with commas, as in April 21, 2008, and some aren't, as in April 21 2008. You don't see this when you're logged in, because the autoformatting feature takes care of it, but non-logged in users will see the inconsistency. Best to remove the comma from all dates.
*IMDb is generally considered to be an unreliable source, so if you can find something better ...
*The link in ref #50 has gone dead.
--Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the link for #50 (the page was moved to the archive section of the site) and made a correction based on that and the BBC News page I have added as a source.  Some sources say 19 years of Labour control; others say 24 and I'm not sure what the cause of this was: maybe they ruled without a majority. --Snigbrook (talk) 02:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I've tackled the date autoformatting inconsistencies. Beejaypii (talk) 20:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I've changed the style of many of the references in order to avoid repetition of book details, as per the advice above. Beejaypii (talk) 23:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Rephrased the bit about St Mary's parish church. Hopefully I've improved it. Beejaypii (talk) 23:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Tackled the informality of the Beatles bit. Beejaypii (talk) 23:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Agreed. I'd still personally like to see a layout which is a little more tightly aligned to WP:UKCITIES, but other than that this is a great article. Well done! I say go for it!... don't forget to drop WP:ENGLAND, WP:CITIES and WP:UKGEO a nudge about this nomination. :) --Jza84 |  Talk   01:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some suggestions for improvement 

message: Review comments can be found here: Talk:Blackburn/GA1 -epicAdam (talk) 17:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: Since when have Rishton and Great Harwood been "even smaller localities" than Wilpshire and Langho? There must be a better way to express the opinion that some inhabitants of the two Hyndburn towns seem to look to Blackburn for their identity. Maybe introducing a note that they are not post towns in their own right, nor are they covered by Accrington would do it? DavidFRAS (talk) 21:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it slightly (and removed "even smaller localities"), it still needs a reference for the claim that they are suburbs – just the fact that Blackburn is the post town for Rishton and Great Harwood is not enough.  The geography section looks like it needs expanding, and probably needs a subsection about the districts/suburbs of Blackburn. —Snigbrook 23:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Geography

message: Does anyone have any information on the town's old brewery? I've mentioned it in the article on Bloomfield Road (specifically regarding this image, which features the brewery's slogan). Information is welcomed. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 03:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutton's Brewery 

message: "The name of the town first appears as Blacheborne, in the Domesday Book compiled from a survey completed in 1086." - this is contradicted in a later section discussing the origins of christianity in Blackburn  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.141.157 (talk) 11:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  First record of blackburn 

message: Following the peer review here, I've done a bit of work along the lines suggested, in particular merging short paragraphs.  I've also added a number of non-breaking spaces - and added some citation-needed tags (not much chance of GA until we get more citations).  I think we need more citations in the Notable people section too.  There's still plenty of work to be done IMO, but it's going in the right direction.  In the Geography section text is sandwiched between an aerial photo and a chart, against MoS advice; I do not think the photo adds anything to the article and would recommend deleting it.  Also needed is consistency of the formatting of dates in the refs - some are (eg) 9 November 2009, others are 2009-11-9; choose one or the other.  In my experience Geography articles are difficult to do to the satisfaction of reviewers, but this is well on the way. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post peer review 

message: This type of edit is not infrequent. I would like to have confidence in restoring the article to an accurate version. Are there any citations floating around that confirm this distance? Orphan Wiki 20:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The best reference I could find was from the Association of Greater Manchester Authorities, which I have now added.  --Deskford (talk) 22:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

text: The distance of 21 miles is "as the crow flies", and I think this is what is usually used in articles.  Some of the changes to 37 miles appears to have been based on Google maps, which recommends a 36.6-mile route via the M65 and M61 motorways (there are several shorter routes, and it can be reduced to 22.9 miles by using minor roads). These edits (although different distances are used, anything from 34.7 to 40 miles) all appear to be from IP addresses in 80.0 and 81.102 ranges (both NTL) so are possibly all by the same person. snigbrook (talk) 00:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work guys, glad to have cleared that up. :) Orphan Wiki 00:49, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distance from Manchester 

message: In the demography section there is a picture that supposedly shows 'Blackburn Muslims worship under supervision of Shaykh Sufi Riaz Ahmed Naqshbandi Aslami, 2007' (also how it is titled in English on the file page) but on viewing the file itself the title of the photo in Russian says: 'Gathering on the festival of Mawlid in Kerala (India).' Can anyone clear this mystery up? 81.131.190.7 (talk) 12:17, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing Picture 

message: So, where is the population from 2011 census? I don't think Blackburn do not have a population any more. Though it is not the only one, for example the relatively large towns Bolton and Stockport still have the old figure. 82.141.117.146 (talk) 02:16, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2011 census 

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message: So, how large are those 4000 holes? What is the area of the town? kencf0618 (talk) 11:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Day in the Life