Wikipedia talk:Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week

message: If the wikipedians here vetoed my nomination for the Rabbi Nachman Kahane (whose seforim are extensively used even in the Yeshiva world) article because he is a controversial figure, then I would like the same people to veto the nomination for Avi Weiss who is even more controversial than Kahane. --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 01:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? He didn't bring out nearly as much yelling. Also, he appears to be a good deal more notable. Finallty, WP:NBD carries the day. - CrazyRussian talk/email 04:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The complaints against Rabbi Nachman Kahane was that he is still alive and that he is Zionist. Those both apply to Avi Weiss. At least Rabbi Nachman Kahane is within the realm of what is called plain "Orthodoxy" (or at least calls himself Orthodox), albeit he is Zionist, while Avi Weiss has created his own movement called "Open Orthodox" which is actually called Conservadox by most people not affiliated with Weiss. I think that the frum oilam on wiki saw that Rabbi Kahane supported Steinsaltz and that he is the brother of Rabbi Meir Kahane and got scared and had to bash him, but the opposite should be true. He is a respected Rav in Yerushalayim and writes many essays and his seforim, Mei Menuchos, are very respected elucidations of Tosfos which all people "hold of" both in the Yeshivish world and the Hassidic world. Just Google his name. If R' Nachman Kahane goes, then for sure (kal v'chomer) Avi Weiss should go also. (I wrote this before the next comment, but then got an edit conflict)--רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 05:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Hassidic world" does not exist. In my world, nobody knows him or his seforim. The fact is that 1) he affiliates with Steinsaltz, whose seforim are not quite the best and were criticized by the gedolim; and 2) he is a member of the "sanhedrin" which I personally consider to be a bunch of heretics. Just about all gedolim agreed that a sanhedrin before moshiach is totally out of the question. Just the fact that they have the chutzpah to call themselves "sanhedrin" is astonishing. I've said this before on a forum: when the Badatz, the chassidishe gedoilim recognize this "sanhedrin", so will I. And as I wrote below - concerning Avi Weiss I agree with you. --Daniel575 07:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Rabbi Moshe Halberstam of the Eidah Hacheredis was the first person to give semicha to the sanhedrin members, and supported the Sanhedrin. Since you love Google, do a Google search for Sanhedrin+Halberstam. In addition, R' Zalman Nechemiah Goldberg, R' Ovadia Yosef and R' Elyashiv are semi-supporting to fully supporting the Sanhedrin. Again, Google is your friend on this one. I wil just say that your tone is sometimes very rough and you might want to try toning it down a bit. Yossiea 13:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I have never seen any sefer written by him. Concerning Avi Weiss I agree with you. Side thought - maybe we should do some work on an article about this "sanhedrin" thing they put up, and of which Kahane is a member, IIRC. (And which has no status at all according to any respected godol/posek.) That is a notable subject. --Daniel575 05:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI Sanhedrin#Attempts to re-establish the Sanhedrin in Israel discusses this organization from a generally favorable POV, and mentions Rabbi Nachman Kahane's role in it. --Shirahadasha 13:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting Candidates 

message: It may be easier to glance through the page if under each subheading the rabbi's years of life and/or location are included. jnothman talk 07:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominate with date 

message: Should Lakewood yeshiva be moved to Beth Medrash Govoha? Voting closes in a few days. Vote here: Talk:Lakewood_yeshiva#NAMING_POLL - CrazyRussian talk/email 10:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lakewood yeshiva 

message: ...became a chosson . FYI. - CrazyRussian talk/email 00:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. See Onlysimchas also. Thanks! --Daniel575 01:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Daniel575]]... 

message: Dear all: no work got done. Is there a problem? Have people lost interest? Nesher is on holiday and I've been tied up with a recall. If this goes on, we'll keep Chacham Tzvi on for another week - perhaps we'll get around to him after all. - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See talk page there. Funny, we were thinking exactly the same at the same time, I guess. I think the reason is that aside from the JE there are simply no good sources on him. As I said on the talk page there, incorporating some of his responsa might be a good idea. --Daniel575 02:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chacham Tzvi 

message: Newly created page. Please add anything you know. --Daniel575 10:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I started a little bit. --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 15:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Zalman Nechemia Goldberg]]

message: I recently removed Benjamin Disraeli, who only had a Jewish father (not a Jewish mother), had been baptized and was an active practicing Christian, from the :Category:English Jews. This seems to be a controversial thing, strangely. I would like to hear the thoughts of others on the subject of people with only a Jewish father who also identify with another faith as being included in a category of Jewish people. Discuss. --Daniel575 17:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Having your children baptized most definitely qualifies as actively renouncing your Jewish identity. Further, the thing that seriously confuses me is the name Maria. I have never ever heard of a Jewish woman named 'Maria' who was consciously Jewish born to consciously and actively Jewish parents. What Jewish parent names his daughter Maria?! Elsewhere, it is written that Disraeli identified as a Christian. The way I understood it, only his father was ethnically Jewish. His father had Benjamin baptized as a child and Benjamin never belonged to anything Jewish, only Christian. His mother's name was Maria. I find it hard to believe that a Jewish father would call his daughter Maria. --Daniel575 16:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I can't speak for the whims and desires of an 18th-century Jewish businessman originally from Italy. The Jewishness of Maria Basevi, and indeed the entire Basevi family, is well-attested. Mackensen (talk) 16:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And if so, he should appropriately be classified in the category. I think we're ready to put this matter to rest. - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think I can go one better and clear up the "Maria" question. Maria is a variation of Mary, which is possibly derived from Miryam. Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories of Jews

message: Let us know your current pick and we'll alert our members! plange 05:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Biography 

message: This was deprodded and I am about to send this person to AfD. I have already gotten his son Barry deleted. Before I do, can anyone shed light on this person's notability? Is there anything to say about him other than his marriage to the daughter of the frierdike rebbe? - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole fight over the Seforim library (Didan Notzach) is a pretty big event in Jewish and Chabad history. I do not know of any personal acheivements on his own part though. GZee 01:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he is well known in Chabad circles, though not necessarily in a positive way. I think he is worthy of an article. In any case, now that it exists, I see no reason to delete it. --Daniel575 02:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per talk there, we've worked it out. No AfD for the "Rebbe" Rashag - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Shemaryahu Gurary]] 

message: needs a lot of fixing up. FYI. - CrazyRussian talk/email 20:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Yehudo Leib Krinsky]] 

message: Newly created article.  wants to have it deleted because it is not notable enough. I strongly disagree. I removed the prod template and he immediately brought it up for deletion. This is a very famous yeshiva which has hundreds of students. It is definitely notable. I do not understand PinchasC's actions and hope that others will join in to preserve this article. --Daniel575 | (talk) 19:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Medrash Shmuel yeshiva]]

message: I've translated one of those nifty timelines that the hebrew wiki has on its rabbinic article pages; the one with time divided into the different eras (eg rishonim, acharonim). You can find an example here. Please spread it around, unless anyone has a serious objection. Please follow the instructions on the page. Ayinyud 20:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: awesome idea! --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 04:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timelines 

message: See the article on Rav Yakov Aryeh Alter, the Gerrer Rebbe shlita. I think his name should be written as R' Yaakov, not Yakov. Anyone disagree? --Daniel575 | (talk) 21:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed. --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 23:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, then I'm doing it. --Daniel575 | (talk) 23:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Crz! :( --Daniel575 | (talk) 23:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha! :) :) - CrazyRussian talk/email 23:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I converted all the links . - CrazyRussian talk/email 23:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yakov / Yaakov

message: I think:
- opposes should be allowed. one oppose should be valued as deducting half a yes?
- if the article is decent (after being listed but) before it reaches ORBCOTW, it should be placed behind those with no stub.
- i do not think articles should be moved up by number of votes; if they are it should require at least six votes to be moved ahead of previous nominations...
- only contributors get to vote... is this an official rule yet?
thoughts?JJ211219 04:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to modify rules? 

message: Everyone has to please go weigh in. Don't delay, b/c people have been debating this for a while, and I don't see anyone from this group up there. Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Hebrew). - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transliteration of Hebrew

message: I found this timeline on the Rambam page and thought it might be useful. What do you think?
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Yossiea 18:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I translated this timeline from the hebrew wikipedia. If anyone knows how to code templates, I'd like to make one out of this. please let me know. AyinYud 20:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a request at Wikipedia:Requested_templates. nadav 06:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Ayin_Yud 10:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the kovim. --Shaul avrom 22:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: For anyone with an interest in all the articles about the Hebrew Bible; Tanakh, Torah and related subjects, User:FDuffy, who is very serious and devoted to the Biblical criticism POV (by his own admission he is a "third year theology student"), has recently resumed serious editing of Hebrew Bible articles and subjects. Please see the extensive edits via Contributions/FDuffy Your involvement, responses and edits would be important at this juncture, especially if you are capable of adding material from classical Judaic sources since most of these articles are lacking the teachings of Judaism, their obvious true source. Thank you. IZAK 11:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by User:Fduffy to Hebrew Bible articles and topics 

message: The article on Yechezkel Levenstein currently is an extremely short stub. From my own attemts at expansion, I suppose he is quite notable, but I was unable to find out why exactly; neither could I locate anything resembling reliable sources. If you could help expanding the article, that would be great. Otherwise, I fear I'll have to prod it due to a lack of both demonstrated notability and sources. Thanks, Huon 19:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yechezkel Levenstein 

message: Hi: I posted the following at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy#"Orthodoxy" alone is ambiguous. Thank you. IZAK 03:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello: This message deals with a number of issues stemming from the unclear use of the word "Orthodox" and "Orthodoxy." In the past Wikipedia has tried to avoid confusion between the names of Orthodox Judaism and Eastern Orthodox Christianity by not using the word "Orthodox" or "Orthodoxy" alone in titles when other qualifying words, such as "Church" or "Christian" (in the case of Eastern Christian Orthodoxy) or words such as "Synagogue" or "Jewish" (in the case of Orthodox Judaism, would help to qualify the usage of the name "Orthodox" or "Orthodoxy" so that any reader or editor on Wikipedia should not be confused by a title and should know from an article's or category's name whether that subject deals with either Orthodox Judaism or Eastern Orthodox Christianity (also called Orthodox Christianity). In the past there has been no objection to inserting either "church" or "Christian/ity" where the Eastern Orthodox Church articles or categories are concerned and I have tried to move in this direction. It is for this reason that I have made the nominations to rename the ambiguous categories at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 September 14#Orthodox Christian categories. Yet it seems that some editors are not aware of this and I am bringing this to your attention. I will cross-post this message to Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism and to Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism for further discussion. The implications for Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy is that it too should be renamed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodox Church or Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodox Christianity to avoid any confusion with Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism. Sincerely, IZAK 02:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting names with Christian and Jewish Orthodoxy 

message: Please see: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 September 19#Liozna and Larger than Life (books). Thank you. IZAK 06:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion review: Liozna and Larger than Life (books) 

message: Hi: Could you please take a look at the discussion concerning Conceptual backround: Hasidic dynastic disputes in the Barry Gurary article. See Talk:Barry Gurary#Dispute of content. Thanks. IZAK 03:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barry Gurary article 

message: BS"D
Ah guteneh yor, und ah g'mar chasimoh tovoh. --Shaul avrom 21:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shanah Tovoh 

message: almost got deleted today. Gmar chasima tova, all. - CrazyRussian talk/email 18:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Yechezkel Levenstein]] 

message: What happened to this wikiproject?
:I am too busy with school, work, family and RfA - CrazyRussian talk/email 23:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also pretty busy at work, with going to simchas beis hashoevah, tishen every night (was in Dushinsky today - GREAT!). Also very busy on Dutch wikipedia and doing some small work on German wikipedia. Keeping a very close eye on my English watchlist. --Daniel575 | (talk) 00:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Busy with school. Almost finished senior year (matric)! I should be back in January. Ayin/Yud 18:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead? 

message: I have written the following to the nominator: 
Meshulam: You should avoid this kind of move (the hasty nomination to delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medzhibozh (Hasidic dynasty)) because it's a slippery slope and could lead to the nomination for and deletion of similar articles about smaller Hasidic dynasties - by people who are not experts and don't care - with unintended consequences. Votes to delete are open to the world and you are inviting people who have no idea what this topic is about at all to cast a vote, which is very unfair and lacking insight. It seems that you may have been better off trying to add a  template or considered MERGING the material at some point perhaps and WAITED (at least a month!) to do so. You should also have first started a discussion at a number of places where people who know something about this topic could have given their intelligent input, such as at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism and Wikipedia talk:Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week. Or you could have contacted other editors who deal with topics like this to solicit their views. This action of your is extreme and I do not condone it. I urge you to withdraw this nomination. Thank you. (I am cross-posting this message on a couple of relevant places, to get people's attention.) IZAK 10:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree. This is just another example of Meshulam's extremely dictatorial stance. He does not care about the opinion of others and seems to be completely focused on an extreme 'NPOV' attitude in which everything which he considers to be true is true, and everything which he does not believe is 'OR' and 'POV'. See Neturei Karta and HaEdah HaChareidis. --Daniel575 | (talk) 15:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious about that guy's definition of dictatorial.  Whenever he calls me that, its usually in response to me calling for a democratic vote on something. He believes it should be one way and unilaterally changes it. I believe otherwise and call it for a vote. And that makes me a dictator... Try a dictionary.--Meshulam 13:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote to delete Medzhibozh (Hasidic dynasty)  

message: Jews in apostasy article needs attention. IZAK 10:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jews in apostasy 

message: Please review the The Seven Worlds article. What is fact and waht is fiction? Anyone know? IZAK 11:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Seven Worlds, is it Kabbalah? 

message: - CrazyRussian talk/email 15:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Israel Friedmann]] needs a lot of help 

message: BS"D
I'm going to get rid of nominations that are long enough, Have been there long enough, didn't get enough votes or were deemed nn enough to go through the collaboration procces. There are also old COTWs left on the nomination page. --Shaul avrom 00:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I have been thinking about the same for a while. A longer time ago already, I proposed raising the treshold from 3 to 5 votes, or even 6 or so. I think we should still do that. And limit the number of new nominations. People have to understand that there is no sense in having a list with 25 names. We need to revive this project, with a clean start. --Daniel575 | (talk) 07:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean Up 

message: BS"D
I just found that when you go to delete one old nomination, that entire section gets wiped!
I'm sorry for any tzuris with that
--Shaul avrom 12:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up mess up 

message: Hello all: Care to take a look at this Aaron, Son of the Devil article and see what you make of it. Does it have validity and is it being twisted in some (anti-Semitic) ways? Thanks. IZAK 04:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fine to me, very encyclopedic. I did add a few things about it being an example of anti-Semitism. Please evaluate. --Daniel575 | (talk) 08:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, thanks a lot. IZAK 11:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aaron, Son of the Devil 

message: See vote at: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 12#Category:Orthodox Jewish communities. Thanks. IZAK 11:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CfD Orthodox Jewish communities 

message: new article - crz crztalk 13:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lawrence Kelemen]] 

message: User:Shirahadasha has created an new article called "Open Orthodoxy" - about a new notion (that is "neither fish nor fowl") recently coined by Rabbi Avi Weiss. After having been asked about it, I attempted to redirect Open Orthodoxy to the Avi Weiss article and post all its content there because on it's own it's a neologism in violation of Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms, but Shirahadasha has reverted my redirect. What do you think should be done, please add your views at Talk:Open Orthodoxy. IZAK 09:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Open Orthodoxy" & Avi Weiss 

message: Hi: See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 23#Category:Anti-Semitic people. Thank you. IZAK 10:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CfD Anti-Semitic people 

message: Orthodox Judaism and feminism
There is an article on Jewish feminism that mentions its connection with Orthodox Judaism, Jewish feminism#Orthodox Judaism and feminism, it seems to be from a Modern Orthodox perspective only, and needs to be broadened. IZAK 03:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthodox Judaism and feminism 

message: The Messianic Judaism editors have been busy lately, you may want to know the following. Thanks. IZAK 19:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isaac Lichtenstein an Orthodox Jewish "rabbi" and a Christian? 

message: Does anyone know what kind of "rabbi" and Torah scholar Adolf Jellinek was (Orthodox, Reform, none-of-the-above, all-of-the above?) The question is important because he had a son Georg Jellinek who supposedly became a Christian, and the article about him says that "Jellinek, the son of Adolf Jellinek, a rabbinical scholar, converted to Christianity." Making it sound that the alleged conversion of George Jellinek is somehow "enhanced" (like a "hidur  mitzva - lehavdil) by the fact that he had a "rabbinical father." Anyhow, the portrait of Adolf doesn't look like it would make it into an ArtScroll anything right now :-} In addition, in the List of converts to Christianity from Judaism Georg Jellinek is listed and his picture features very prominently. If anyone has any more information on this, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks. IZAK 14:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adolf Jellinek and his Christian son 

message: I am having a difference of opinion with User:Inigmatus who insists that :Category:WikiProject Messianic Judaism be a sub-category of :Category:WikiProject Judaism. I have tried to edit the page , and have even tried a compromise of having it be part of :Category:Christian and Jewish interfaith topics instead which would be perfect for it, but each time he reverts me, claiming "We make that call, not you. We're not part of "normative" Christianity either."  and this:" "We" is Messianics. either both Judaism and Christain categories, or none go here. We make the call, because Messianics know best what is Messianic." , and he adds on Category talk:WikiProject Messianic Judaism#Main categories: "Either Christian and Judaism categories go here, or they both don't. Not one or the other. Messianics do not ascribe to Chrisitanity, and Judaism is an unrelated category. I didn't put either category in, so I request both be removed, but if one is to be listed, then I request both Christianity and Judaism be listed. "We" Messianics have the right to inform the readers who "we" are affiliated with. inigmatus 04:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute over Category:WikiProject Messianic Judaism  

message: On 25 October 2006 , User:Inigmatus moved Messianic religious practices to Messianic Halakha with the lame excuse "moved Messianic religious practices to Messianic Halakha: As discussed in prior archives, with the creation of the new Messianic Judaism template, this page can now be targeted for clean up: This entire page is better split into two articles"  thus opening up a whole new can of worms. This fits into this new pattern of vigorous pro-Messianic Judaism POV edits, moves, categories, projects and articles, basically without warning and ignoring the consensus that has been maintained for some time. The main problem is that the over-all thrust of the recent pro-Messianic Judaism activity is to mimic and and get as close as possible to any and all Judaism, particularly Orthodox Judaism, articles and efforts, so that anyone looking at the one will arrive at the other by sheer proximity and similarity. And I repeat this again, because of its relevance: *User:Inigmatus (contributions), self-described as "A mystery user with a point to be made" (wouldn't that make anything he does as automatically POV?), has added a number of features to Messianic Judaism. A month ago he evidently plagiarized  the  Template:Judaism and created Template Messianic Judaism based on it. He also created Wikipedia:WikiProject Messianic Judaism also obviously  plagiarizing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism page. This may mislead unsuspecting readers and there ought to be some warning or guidance about this. I would suggest that a new template be develpoed that would be placed on Messianic Judaism pages with a  "Note: This article deals with Messianic Judaism. It does not represent normative Judaism and does not have any connection with, or official recognition from, any Jewish denominations." IZAK 03:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: The subject of this article or section does not represent normative Judaism and does not have any connection with, or official recognition from, any Jewish denominations.
Feel free to use it where applicable. Thanks. IZAK 05:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Great idea!!!! Thanks! Only... what is the correct name? --Daniel575 | (talk) 09:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see, someone deleted it. Guess that's quickly reverted. Recreating it now. --Daniel575 | (talk) 09:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And it was redeleted.  Please do not recreate it again. The template is divisive, was deleted under WP:CSD#T1. Proto::type 10:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And recreated. Follow normal procedure. --Daniel575 | (talk) 10:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It was again deleted by another antisemitic British akum. We will have to wait for Crz. In the meantime I can recover from my anger. B"H getting mad at an akum is not such a big aveirah. --Daniel575 | (talk) 11:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait for crz? Crz would have redeleted it himself... Good thing the akum did it for him. - crz crztalk 15:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messianic "Halakha" etc? 

message: Hi: In view of the above, please see the new  template:
:Note: The subject of this article or section does not represent normative Judaism and does not have any connection with, or official recognition from, any Jewish denominations.
Feel free to use it where applicable. Thanks. IZAK 05:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great idea!!!! Thanks! Only... what is the correct name? --Daniel575 | (talk) 09:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see, someone deleted it. Guess that's quickly reverted. Recreating it now. --Daniel575 | (talk) 09:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And it was redeleted.  Please do not recreate it again. The template is divisive, was deleted under WP:CSD#T1. Proto::type 10:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And recreated. Follow normal procedure. --Daniel575 | (talk) 10:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It was again deleted by another antisemitic British akum. We will have to wait for Crz. In the meantime I can recover from my anger. B"H getting mad at an akum is not such a big aveirah. --Daniel575 | (talk) 11:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait for crz? Crz would have redeleted it himself... Good thing the akum did it for him. - crz crztalk 15:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welcome the NotJudaism template 

message: Would anyone like to start an article about the Korban Pesach? Since right now all there is, is that Paschal Lamb disambig page that splits off to Jesus... It would be a nice start for Pesach too and help the Passover-related articles. Thanks. IZAK 09:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One could start simply by spinning off the material that's currently in Passover. Best, --Shirahadasha 12:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paschal Lamb article needed 

message: - crz crztalk 18:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article: [[Aron Leib Steinman]] 

message: What does one make of the new :Category:Palestinian rabbis and :Category:Talmud rabbis in Palestine, should they be renamed to something like :Category:Rabbis of ancient Palestine? so that it does not connect, and become confused with, the way the word "Palestinian" is used today (meaning the very unJewish modern Arab Palestinians, who have nothing to do with these rabbis!) Thanks. IZAK 09:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Palestinian rabbis 

message: Note: Many articles about the rabbis of the Talmud and Mishnah are derived from the archaic Jewish Encyclopedia, published between 1901-1906, over one hundred years ago (when the Middle East was still under the thumb of the Ottoman Turks) and which used the archaic expressions "Palestine" when referring to the Land of Israel, and to the Jews living in the areas of the historical Land of Israel as "Palestinians." This is a big mistake that requires constant attention and correction, especially when copying and editing articles from the Jewish Encyclopedia or from similarly archaic sources such as Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897). At this time, no-one uses the term/s "Palestinian/s" (in relation to anything associated with Jews or the land they lived in and which they regarded as their homeland) nor by any type of conventional Jewish scholarship, particularly at the present time when the label "Palestinian" is almost entirely identified with the Palestinian Arabs who are mostly Muslims. Finally, kindly take note that the name Palestinian Talmud is also not used and it redirects to the conventional term Jerusalem Talmud used in Jewish scholarship. Thank you. IZAK 13:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis to avoid confusion

message: Note: Many articles about the rabbis of the Talmud and Mishnah are derived from the archaic Jewish Encyclopedia, published between 1901-1906, over one hundred years ago (when the Middle East was still under the thumb of the Ottoman Turks) and which used the archaic expressions "Palestine" when referring to the Land of Israel, and to the Jews living in the areas of the historical Land of Israel as "Palestinians." This is a big mistake that requires constant attention and correction, especially when copying and editing articles from the Jewish Encyclopedia or from similarly archaic sources such as Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897). At this time, no-one uses the term/s "Palestinian/s" (in relation to anything associated with Jews or the land they lived in and which they regarded as their homeland) nor by any type of conventional Jewish scholarship, particularly at the present time when the label "Palestinian" is almost entirely identified with the Palestinian Arabs who are mostly Muslims. Finally, kindly take note that the name Palestinian Talmud is also not used and it redirects to the conventional term Jerusalem Talmud used in Jewish scholarship. Thank you. IZAK 13:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis to avoid confusion

message: Makes sense, I'll try to remember.  However, there was a period when everyone referred to the land of Israel as Palestine.  Therefore, to say something like "in 1940 Shlomo Pines emigrated to Israel" would appear to be an anachronism.  Don't we have to use the term "Palestine" during a certain period for historical accuracy?  What is this period?  From Roman conquest until 1948?  Thanks.  Dfass 15:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis 

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion
FYI: Hi Tomer! A Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion has asserted itself in the Korban article. The project indicates that it is an umbrella project for all of religion and that the current religion projects are subprojects of it, yet its member directory lists only six members. Where is the project coming from? Is it a broadbased project, a very small group with a very big reach, or what? If you know some background or some of its people, would be much appreciated. Best, --Shirahadasha 03:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion 

message: Hi: Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Judaism. Thanks, IZAK 10:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NOTICE and OBJECTIONS to WikiProject Religion vs. Judaism

message: Hi: It is very important that you see the points and the response from User:Badbilltucker about his aims at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#NOTICE and OBJECTIONS to WikiProject Religion vs. Judaism ASAP. Have a Happy Chanukah! IZAK 15:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to NOTICE and OBJECTIONS to WikiProject Religion vs. Judaism 

message: Question: What should be the name for the Shalosh Regalim: the Three pilgrim festivals or the Three pilgrimage festivals? Please see the discussion at Talk:Three pilgrimage festivals#Name. Thanks you. IZAK 17:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Three pilgrim festivals" vs. "Three pilgrimage festivals"