Talk:Isaac Asimov short stories bibliography

message: Nightfall and Other Stories and The Early Asimov were originally published as single volumes, and I've revised their entries to reflect this.  I've also put the stories from Nightfall in their original order. Johnny Pez 07:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nightfall and Early Asimov Collections

message: * "Think!" (and the whole "The Complete Robot" story collection)  (Robert K S 14:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now included. Richard75 (talk) 17:52, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: However there are still some omissions. I have found lists of more stories here, here and here, and these will need to be added. Also there are some poems here, and we should either include them or, if poems do not belong on this article, then to be consistent we should remove the poems which are on this article already. Richard75 (talk) 18:01, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added some of the stories, will do the rest at the weekend. Richard75 (talk) 19:13, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Finished. Richard75 (talk) 16:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Thanks. Fixed. Richard75 (talk) 22:53, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing items

message: The problem with grouping these stories into sections according to which books they were collected in is that it leads to repetition, since many stories were collected two, three or four times. Why don't we list each story once, in order of publication, and we can indicate which books they were collected in in a second column? Richard75 (talk) 15:41, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Richard75 (talk) 17:52, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Format of list 

message: This is a list of stories, not essays, so I have removed the essays from the Magic section. Richard75 (talk) 00:20, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Essays 

message: According to this list, the uncensored version is included in Nine Tomorrows, while the censored version is included in Asimov's Mysteries.  If you go to the actual page for that story, it shows that Nine Tomorrows contains a censored version, and the page for Asimov's Mysteries also says the version in Nine Tomorrows is slightly 'bowdlerized'.
I would also suggest that the word 'censored' should be changed, as that implies a governmental agency or other controlling force seeking to suppress the language in the story.  Edited or bowdlerized (as above) might be more appropriate.
68.97.202.205 (talk) 20:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points. I fixed both. Darkday (talk) 20:59, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm in Marsport Without Hilda 

message: From 1979 The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction dropped the "and" and used "&", according to its Wikipedia article #Titles. Richard75 (talk) 18:51, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, well spotted. Darkday (talk) 00:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction 

message: Moved The Covenant into the main list because it was in someone else's book
Actually The Most Thrilling Science Fiction Ever Told is a magazine, not a book. So this story was reprinted in a magazine, but never in a book. I'm not sure if that makes the story anthologized or not. Darkday (talk) 01:22, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Either view would be valid, but I'm inclined to think we should stick to books. Richard75 (talk) 13:44, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've listed it as unanthologised, with a note mentioning the magazine reprint. Richard75 (talk) 14:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Covenant 

message: The stories in this bibliography are divided into three sections: Collected stories, uncollected stories and unpublished stories. I don't see the need to list collected and uncollected stories separately. The uncollected stories could be added to the main list with a dash in the "Collected in" column. This way we'd have a complete chronological list of all published stories, and it would also be possible to get a complete alphabetical list by sorting by the "Story" column. And it would still be possible to get an overview of all uncollected stories by sorting by the "Collected in" column.
The section "Unpublished short stories" is a bit cumbersome in my opinion. First eleven allegedly unpublished short stories are listed, and then it is explained in great detail that two of those were actually published after all. I'd rather only list the 9 stories that are really unpublished. Darkday (talk) 02:19, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There will need to be a note to the effect that Star Empire is not a prose story but a comic strip, and I think there should at least be a footnote about the nine / eleven lost stories or else people who have read The Early Asimov will keep putting the two stories back in. Richard75 (talk) 13:41, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Richard75 (talk) 14:16, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, thanks! Darkday (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure 

message: I just realised that The Best of Omni Science Fiction No. 4 is a magazine, not a book, so I have moved "Strike!" to the section for unanthologised stories, following the decision about "The Covenant." Richard75 (talk) 13:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strike! 

message: Sometimes, science fiction magazines publish whole novels. Because of their lengths, these novels are then usually split into several parts which are published in consecutive issues ("serialization"). This happened for several of Asimov's novels. For example, The Stars, Like Dust was published (under the title Tyrann) in three parts in Galaxy magazine (January 1951, February 1951 and March 1951). Other examples are The Currents of Space, The Caves of Steel or The Gods Themselves, which were all published in three parts. These installments are not short stories, but parts of a novel.
In my opinion, the same applies to Forward the Foundation, which was serialized in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine. The only specialty is that this novel wasn't serialized in its entirety. Still, I consider the five parts of Forward the Foundation as parts of a novel, and not as short stories.
It was different for the original Foundation stories: These were conceived and published as individual short stories, and only years later it was decided to group them into three novels. Forward the Foundation on the other hand was planned as a novel from the very beginning. Darkday (talk) 13:59, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Very well, I'll undo it. Richard75 (talk) 14:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forward the Foundation 

message: ISFDb says that the publications "The Portable Star" was reprinted in were magazines, not books, so as with "Strike!" and "The Covenant" I have moved it to the Stories Never Anthologised section. Richard75 (talk) 13:19, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Portable Star 

message: I added this story, which I found at Asimovonline. Richard75 (talk) 12:33, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Turning Point 

message: The list of short stories contains five items which are poems or lyrics (The Foundation of S.F. Success, The Author's Ordeal, I Just Make Them Up See!, Rejection Slips and The Prime of Life). I think they don't belong there, poems are not short stories. I suggest to move the poems to a separate section, or remove them completely. Darkday (talk) 18:48, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree, although it could be argued that The Prime of Life is a story as well. Richard75 (talk) 20:45, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poems 

message: Are they? 82.36.70.45 (talk) 13:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Well they're science fiction, and there's more than one way to tell a story. The fact that these stories are told in the format of a spoof article doesn't necessarily mean they don't qualify. Also, the thiotimoline article has three sequels which were regular stories, so it might be more helpful to a reader to list them all in the same place. Richard75 (talk) 14:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are the spoof scientific articles stories?