Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Harry Potter task force/Archive 8

message: Please read the situation at the talk page about merging Laura Mallory into Controversy over Harry Potter and voice your opinion there. Thanks! --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger at [[Talk:Controversy over Harry Potter]] 

message: What is our and wikis position on galleries of cover pictures? A user seems to be going round and deleting them all. Sandpiper 08:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not allowed under the fair-use policy.  Our position isn't really relevant. John Reaves (talk) 08:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They seemed to be allowed up to three days ago Sandpiper 20:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I read the guideline again. Which bit are we offending by having them? Sandpiper 20:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:NONFREE#Images: Cover art: Cover art from various items, for identification and critical commentary (not for identification without critical commentary). Simply having a gallery to identify the different editions of the book but not comment on them (the editions) is unacceptable. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 23:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a thought ... would that rule out using the images *anywhere* in that format/context? In particular the Translations article? Reason I ask is, I reckon that by us removing them from further down in the article (in particular the American cover), we might see more infobox cover reversions to the American version, due to the total absence of the image anywhere else in the article. I agree that we can't use them as is, but I fear what might happen next. Daggoth | Talk 07:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm, well, personally I have a mildly liberal view of the WP:NONFREE policy, so I don't know about both British and American versions. Probably best to ask at the policy page for a wider view. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 03:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The point is exactly that: if one is acceptable, then one will do. There is no need to be superfluous, especially when it comes to images to which the copyright is not free. If you still don't buy this, then by all means inquire at WT:NONFREE. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 03:28, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted book cover Galleries 

message: Tuyvan and John Reaves mentioned Spelling in HP pages just above here *points*. I created the page out of boredom.
I've done a bit of expansion to also cover our logic for the infobox images, and I'm wondering ... is there any value in expanding the page to cover *all* conventions for the Harry Potter articles, and refering to it from the front project page / edit summaries from the article history? As a specific MOS for the HP articles, which we can possibly point people to as a definitive guide for why the article is written in a certain way. Any thoughts? Daggoth | Talk 02:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harry Potter themed MOS? 

message: Consensus appears to be emerging that  should not be used very often (if not at all).  Since most HP articles contain this template, we should be aware of these discussions.  See Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warnings and Template talk:Spoiler. -- John Reaves (talk) 10:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tags 

message: :Image:Percy Weasley.jpg
One of the images I uploaded in 2005 is up for deletion.  I'm not up on how the whole thing works now so I'll leave you guys to decide what to do with it. --Sonic Mew 23:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken care of it. Thanks. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 00:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percy Image

message: Article is up for deletion - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minor actors and actresses in Harry Potter 2nd Nomination.  --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 18:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD - Minor actors and actresses in Harry Potter 

message: I've put it up, at last, for FAC. If you like, read over the article carefully and neutrally assess it. Hopefully, if it passes, it may be on the main page in time for the release of Deathly Hallows! --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 01:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC – [[Harry Potter fandom]] 

message: Hello. Just a headsup that if anyone finds any unsourced material comparing Harry Potter to any other books, comics, games movies or anything else with the implication, naturally, that Rowling "ripped off author X or Y", I've been gathering together every such mention I find on a subpage for Works analogous to Harry Potter, a page I created to address these issues. Thanks. Serendipodous 06:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't you mean 'drew upon traditional sources for ideas'? Sandpiper 08:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Harry Potter is similar to book/movie/comic book X or Y because..."

message: Talk:Fawkes#Requested move. Simply south 00:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:RM for Fawkes 

message: Eek, this article was created about a week ago and it's entirely in-universe. If anybody has any time, would they mind looking into toning this article down, perhaps merging it somewhere? I feel that after Deathly Hallows is released, we're going to need a big rewrite of all the articles, which includes limiting our use of the Lexicon, as well as a reconsideration of the location of all our articles (i.e. consider merging many of them). --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 17:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll do a quick stopgap on some of the paragraphs. --Deathphoenix ʕ 16:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I spent more time than I'd planned because of the sheer in-universe of the article, and I pretty much just did a hackjob. It definitely needs further work, because I pretty much limited my work to saying "As described in Harry Potter and the Example Book Name ...", which is a bit of a copout. --Deathphoenix ʕ 16:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Second Wizarding War]] 

message: I am attempting to clean out the use of fictional character birthdates as if they are actually alive "Ron Weasley (born March 1, 1980) is a ...." is incorrect.  Also, I have started, with the smaller articles, to clean up the in-universe style (see Pansy Parkinson - I will further clean up this article and add more specific quotes from the book in the near future).  I think we need to establish guidelines for this (as at least one user is reverting my changes consistently...both the use of dates and the in-universe style of the articles). Ccrashh 15:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we definitely have far to go on our articles; thankfully we can really start to work once DH comes out. The one major thing is: don't use the Lexicon -- or at least don't plagiarize from there. I have had an email conversation with Steve Vander Ark personally apologizing for the amount of stuff on Wikipedia which is stolen from the Lex, so hopefully we can eradicate -- sloooooowly, within the next year or two -- all the text we've taken from there, all the in-universe and nit-picky only-interesting-to-die-hard-fans stuff, as a long-term goal. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 22:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay...sounds good.  I like the original Harry Potter (Character) article, though a lot of in-universe crap seems to have made its way in there.  Maybe I should just let the edits continue, and then publish whole, new articles all at once (one article at a time) AFTER the book comes out :) Ccrashh 03:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HP Character Articles and Birth Dates 

message: I find that we really need to come to a definite consensus on these articles (I am referring to Differences between book and film versions of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone and its four sequels). They were nominated for an AfD in August of last year, and not a single vote was keep – they were torn between Delete and Merge. The information is still original research because there are few to no citations in each article, and the notability of the actual differences between books and films, not of the books and films themselves, has barely been established. As an entire article, it stands a very weak chance if it were to be nominated for an AfD again.
:Trivial comparison of sources is not original research. If version 1 says one thing, and version 2 says something else, it is a simple fact verifiable simply from the book and film. Reporting sources, and differences between them is exactly what we are supposed to do. Sandpiper 23:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be fine with merging. -- John Reaves (talk) 15:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a recent Digital Spy article, which meant I could construct a Differences between the book and the film section on the PS page, with out it being OR. The article also discussed changes to COS, POA and GOF as well. So if they were to be merged with the film pages, points could be cited. Gran2 15:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences articles 

message: The image presently in the infobox at Harry Potter – Image:Harry potter stamps.jpg – has been nominated for deletion because it lacks a fair-use rationale. I thought I should inform the proper Wikiproject about this. Cliff smith 02:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image at [[Harry Potter]] 

message: A couple of things now the day of reckoning draws near... :P
Is HP pervasive enough to merit a mention in ITN?
And what was the end result of this discussion? RHB - Talk 18:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As best I can tell there wasn't really any consensus reached. Seeing as how I've already seen what I think is a spoiler in my watchlist (change was reverted) I personally think that there is good reason to protect most HP pages until the book comes out. After that I think it's to be expected that they are active documents that will be spoilered. Mrobfire 18:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we just go ahead and blanket-protect every book article that's tagged with ? If not, at least the main ones: the book, major characters, primary "subject" articles (like characters, places, wizarding world, magic, spells…). --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 22:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be a bit over the top, though admittedly already there have been many edits revealing potential plot spoilers deliberately, on both talk and article pages - some are already semi-protected. If levels of "vandalism" continue and even increase as probable full protection would be a given. The problem would be convincing admin(s) that there is a case for preemptive protection for what would be the a very high area of viewing during the coming weeks, with the potential to cause embarassment to Wikipedia. RHB - Talk 23:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not surprised. It's the same thing as featured articles and many pages that are shown in the Main page (except for images). Those articles are rarely even semiprotected, let alone fully protected, because they usually benefit more from edits. Full protection is a bit much, just take a look at the types of articles that go through a full protection. I am somewhat in favour of semiprotection for now, but when it gets published, it will benefit much more from being easily editable by everyone, even with all the spoiler vandalism because most anyone looking at that article after it's released will already know that Harry is dead/alive/the-Half-Blood-Prince, and would not suffer from knowing it through the article. Just deal with it the way most of us deal with vandals: revert, block, ignore. --Deathphoenix ʕ 04:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deathly Hallows and Protection 

message: There are a lot of redirects between the many Harry Potter related pages.  Could these be worked on?--Tempest115 16:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirects 

message: A few niggling issues. Originally, to clear up some misunderstandings from less knowledgeable editors (vis a vis Rowling having "invented" such creatures as the basilisk) it was decided that the Minor Harry Potter beasts article be reserved only for those creatures that were specifically invented by JK Rowling herself. Any references to actual mythical creatures such as the fairy or the re'em could be kept on their own pages. Dragons and winged horses, however, could be kept on the minor beasts page, as the various breeds were Rowling's own invention. This idea worked for a while, but recently people have begun a crusade against "unimportant" fictional references (though how they decide which fictional references are unimportant I have yet to determine) in mythical or folkloric articles. To this end I created a new page, Mythical creatures in Harry Potter, to deal with those creatures from myth and legend that Rowling includes in her stories. 
Now, every beast in the Harry Potter universe has a home somewhere on Wikipedia. Except two; the poor diricawl, since it was neither invented by JK Rowling nor is it a mythical creature, and the pogrebin, because I can't determine whether it is mythical or not. I have read of a monster with a similar name appearing in Russian folklore, but I can't track down any solid refs. Any ideas on what to do? 
Oh, and another thing; I can't decide whether Nundus or Erklings belong in the mythical creatures or minor beasts articles, since they are apparently based on actual legendary beings, the nunda and the erlking, respectively, though Rowling has never said as much. Serendipodous 17:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Harry Potter beasts

message: I've just completed an extensive rewrite and cleanup of Marauders (Harry Potter).  How can I go about getting it reassessed? =David(talk)(contribs) 08:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reassessment? 

message: Is there any particular reason for including this? It matches the colour of the cover in each case but, I think, looks a bit off and is a bit repetitive considering you either already know the name, see it in  the title in large font, the image in smaller font, or the first few words in the lead. Any opinions? RHB - Talk 15:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox book titling above the cover 

message: The Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows article is littered with referenced to "The Second Battle of Hogwarts when in the book it is just called "The Battle of Hogwarts". I intend to start cleaning this up and sorting out the redirects - any objections?  Sophia 09:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree with this.  I've been wondering where the "Second" came from as well - it's pure OR. PageantUpdater 11:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Sophia on this one - the book specifically calls it The Battle Of Hogwarts - therefore it is obvious that Rowling doesn't consider it the second battle. Some are considereing it the second battle due to Malfoys attempt in book 6 (which some believe is the first battle). A note in the first sentence that it can also be considered the second battle would, IMO suffice. (Adapted from my post on the Deathly Hallows Talk Page). 03swalker 14:46, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong agreement here. I'd be glad to help clean this up. (The HBP incident is really just a skirmish by comparison, and I'm pretty sure it was never called "The Battle of Hogwarts" except in (admittedly widespread) fannish discussion. Perhaps we can agree on an alternate term for the first fight?) Claudia 15:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree as well. The only canon reference to any "Battle of Hogwarts" is in Deathly Hallows. The Half-Blood Prince skirmish, to use Claudia's word, does not (for lack of a better explanation) fit the requirements of a battle in the Wizarding War. I intend to clean up some as well. Please feel free to change this article's name. Angleterre 16:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're gonna need a new name. "Draco's/The Assault on Hogwarts"? Claudia 17:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't make up a name. You'll have to get around it by just describing it. Put it all into Second Wizarding War, as long as we can refrain from making that in-universe. The AfD police are out to get every article we was just created yesterday before we have the time to look through them all. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 17:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone knows the incident that happened at the end of Half Blood Prince as the battle of hogwarts, the real battle presents us with a problem.  There should be some type of discussion as to what to call the first incident.  I suggest the Assassination of Albus Dumbledore or the Death Eater raid of hogwarts.  Carlitos 18:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stunning as it may seems there are HP fans who avoid fan sites like the plague as they are a hive of made up stuff. So no - not everyone does call the HBP fight "The Battle of Hogwarts". The only way to deal with this is to use references from the book. The chapter is "The Flight of the Prince" as it really isn't a battle but an escape after Dumbledore's murder.  Sophia 19:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More  than one chapter in HBP covers the events of Draco's invasion, so there is no obvious title, which is why people have invented a descriptive one 'battle of Hogwarts'. The solution has to be to explain what is meant, where. It is equally wrong to adopt Rowling's chapter title from book 7 as definitive, because other chapters also cover the events. If it was the intention to create articles, such as might appear in 'a history of Hogwarts', then headings of first battle... and second battle... would be entirely sensible. There is no definitive official answer. Sandpiper 23:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't really relevant that the battle happens across multiple chapters. What is relevant is that one chapter gives the event its proper name according to the author, which is as definitive as it gets, as we are not writing an in-universe history. Claudia 23:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Second Battle of Hogwarts

message: It is my opinion that there are a number of Harry Potter related articles that can only barely stretch to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria and these need to be either merged into other articles or deleted.  Similarly, there are many non-free images which hardly meet the non-free content criteria, particularly NFC 8.  Those suitably knowledgable about the various Harry Potter articles (far too many of them, in my opinion) need to do something about it.  I'd be bold and do it myself but I have not been involved enough to figure out where things should go. 
Just because Harry Potter is a fan phenomenon doesn't mean Wikipedia's policies and guidelines should be violated... on the contrary they should be strictly enforced.  The same rules that apply to other articles and media need to be applied here. PageantUpdater 11:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Trust us, we don't believe that the policies should be violated either. However, due to the popularity of the series, there are thousands of anonymous and inexperienced users who greatly outnumber those that are aware of the policies, so the next month will be a lot of work cleaning up all our articles to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines. We just have a mountain of information to get through. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 16:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm hanging fire at the moment as everything is so unstable - give it a week or two and hopefully things will settle and we can get rid of some of the nonsense that has been added.  Sophia 18:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the Hallows symbol (on both the book and objects page) a derivative work or public domain? RHB - Talk 19:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure precisely which pictures you are worried about, but an image from the films is immediately recognisable by several million people in a way which any amount of description would not be. It also immediately demonstrates how the film developers have chosen to present that character. I would have thought that any outsider asked whether the pictures were relevant and increased understanding of the charater, would say that obviously they do. The articles are better with the pictures than without, and the inclusion of the pictures is legal. Sandpiper 23:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability and non-free images 

message: It's essential that we start to condense the number of articles on HP on Wikipedia now. I merged Xenophilius Lovegood with Luna Lovegood; but have just discovered now Teddy Lupin, Aberforth Dumbledore, Ariana Dumbledore, and there are probably plenty more. We must remember now that this is not the Lexicon, but Wikipedia, and everything must be notable and cited through reliable sources, and all that jazz. I think that, far into the future, we must consider merges like Hogwarts faculty and Minor Hogwarts teachers into Hogwarts. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 22:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: surely the rule is that if an article becomes overly long then it is split.   Having one 1Gb article isnt helpfull, but a list of all faculty members would be sensible if there isn't much to say about them. I can't say that I find it essential to condense articles now, rather that this is a particularly bad time to try to do so. Perhaps discourage article's major expansion? Sandpiper 23:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is indeed the guideline, I'm just saying we don't need to get out of hand with a horde of articles, nor do we need a 1GB article. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep number of articles at a minimum 

message: I felt I should move these here so that they might get some attention.  Fair use images on wikipedia need to have a detailed fair use rationale that meets the non-free content criteria policy.  Thanks for your time. -Malkinann 01:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just added fair use rationals for all of the images, so they should be fine.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 16:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that - there may be some more of your images up for deletion that I've not seen - I'd suggest checking the others too.  If you were to put the images in a :Category:Harry Potter media or something, then you could use the "Related changes" function as a watchlist. Making mention of fair use rationales and the policy on the image tasks page might also be helpful. -Malkinann 04:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright concerns

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for [[:Image:Fred and george weasley hp.jpg]]

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for [[:Image:Aunt marge hp.jpg]]

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for [[:Image:Dudley dursley hp.jpg]]

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for [[:Image:Aunt petunia hp.JPG]]

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for [[:Image:Uncle vernon hp.JPG]]

message: I agree that it's probably best to wait for things to calm down a bit, but I would also suggest that the articles on Charlie, Bill and Percy Weasley and their parents to be merged into a "Weasley Family" article.  I don't think that these characters justify having their own article. PageantUpdater 01:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More suggested merges 

message: The image Dumbledore.jpg is used through out Wikiproject Harry Potter.  It seems to me that this is a derivative work of the Harry Potter series, namely of the copyrighted character of Albus Dumbledore.  Even though it is fan-made, if it is a derivative work, it is considered non-free, and should not be in the Talk, Template, User, or Wikipedia namespace, as per Non-free content criteria #9.  I'm posting here to gain a consensus on whether or not this image is a derivative work, and what should be done if it is. Thanks, --Transfinite (Talk / Contribs) 02:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This deletion request on the Commons determined Dumbledore.jpg was not a derivative work. I am a bit unfamiliar with derivative works, so I have no personal say in this, just directing you to that link. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummmm..... someone seems to have deleted this image. Why did it get deleted?  Bella Swan(Talk!) 14:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a derivative work of a copyrighted character, which cannot be uploaded on the Commons. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that someone mentioned this and someone else said that it was already discussed and agreed that it wasn't?  Bella Swan(Talk!) 03:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They didn't look at our policy on derivative works, which drawings like this fall under. Plus, it doesn't help there was an WP:OTRS email associated with it and was answered by a recently elected Board member. Anyways, don't upload this again or use this for the template of the wikiproject. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not quite sure where we are on this, however....The image on wikicommons has been deleted on the grounds of being a derivative work. I have uploaded a temporary picture of a book saying 'Harry Potter' which I created in place of the Dumbledore pic, rather than having un-rendered calls to the picture everywhere. What do people want to do about this? Sandpiper 19:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{li|foo.jpg}} 

message: A suggested move has been opened at the above link; petitioner is suggesting that the page and references be updated to Sorcerer's Stone.
The logic being used is that Warner Bros. produced the film (which was created by a mixture of American and British houses), and therefore it should be named after the American version. IMDB and many other pages apparently have it listed as Sorcerer.
Any thoughts? Daggoth | Talk 08:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another problem I've run into that is similar is: Which movie poster for should we use for Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film) ....the UK/England verison or the American version? I want to use both, but people have been objecting to it.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 17:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An idea to solve this problem has come up....once a definite tite has been decided for the article, someone can merge the two images to have a poster for the page.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 18:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Why would it not be fair use? fair use applies to illustrations which are relevant to the text. Two posters showing the same thing might not be fair use, but since the posters are specifically illustrating the changed title between countries, then inclusion would be justified. Sandpiper 09:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I have "created" an image that combines both the posters, but have not uploaded it yet. Should I wait until both the images are deleted and then upload it or what?  Bella Swan(Talk!) 18:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sandpiper, I thought about that, but that is the only claim of fair use that there would be. And having another fair use image to show that the film had a different title in America is a very weak rationale, as a sentence can do the same thing just as well. As for the image, there's no need to wait for the other two images t be deleted, if you want to upload, upload. And the vote has now been closed, Philosopher's won.Gran2 22:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested move at [[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film)]] 

message: Just a note to say that I've started afd nominations for what I believe are some of the most clearly non-notable articles that have cropped up: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Potter family tree, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Tales of Beedle the Bard, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teddy Lupin, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Malfoy Manor.  I anticipate more to come but that is at least a start.
I am wondering how people think we should combat the rampant original research in many of the Harry Potter articles?  I must admit that I hadn't checked out many of them prior to finishing the last book, but I am kinda surprised about the number of articles and images that violate policy at varying levels.  Obviously it's worse since the last book was published and hopefully things will settle, but I forsee a lot that needs doing.  I think we need to come up with some sort of notability criteria, because WP:FICT does not cover many article I have been discovering.  As an example, I don't see why Crabbe and Goyle need their own articles, this is yet another thing that needs merging.  PageantUpdater 08:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By nitpickingly sticking to canon there will not be enough material left to form fancruft articles such as these. As Prof Trelawney would say "I forsee months ahead of being called a miserable b*****d because you will not let people add obvious facts".  Sophia 10:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I personally foresee a future of many merges and deletions, but we just have to wait for the Deathly Hallows hype to settle, hopefully within a week or so. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 22:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
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message: Thought this might be of interest to some of you for your userpage. Morphh  (talk) 13:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just as a really big WARNING to people, users have been leaving random messages on people's pages that have the above template on them and changing the link to a different link with spoilers of the book. Many admins and others are trying to reverts it but...just a warning.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 21:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Busy template