Talk:Belle (Disney character)

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: Belle + Quasimodo = true?
In The Hunchback of Notre dame, as Quasimodo sings "out there", we see Belle walking on the square of Paris with her book. Is this a hint that if we feel sorry för Quasimodo not getting Esmeralda there is another girl whos speciality is to look beyond looks and look to the interior? Note that Belles father might be the constructor of the advanced defense mechanisms of the cathedral. Mechanisms that Quasimodo is obviously trained in using.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.130.31.203 (talk) 09:34, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Article talk pages are for discussing improvements to the article, not for general discussion of the article's topic. - SummerPhDv2.0 12:35, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off-topic chat 

message: Linda Woolverton, the creator of the character Belle, stated that "Disney traditionally portrayed its female characters as victims prior to Beauty and the Beast. Matt Millikan, a writer for ACMI, in an essay, basically says Woolverton is wrong and he says Ariel from the Little Mermaid wasn't portrayed as a victim and proceeded Beauty and the Beast. Basically saying Woolverton is wrong in her statement. I see little value in having this debate in this article. Woolverton is talking to her motivation in creating the character and that is relevant for this article. Millikan's opinion that she is wrong really adds nothing of value to explaining this character and I don't think it belongs in this article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "Ariel from the Little Mermaid wasn't portrayed as a victim" Really? The girl who receives emotional abuse from her father, and is manipulated into a deal with the devil by an amoral witch is beyond victimhood? In any case:
**Flora, Fauna and Merryweather from Sleeping Beauty (1959) are responsible for most of the heroic actions, and their spells cause Maleficent's death.
**Bianca from the Rescuers (1977) is a fearless heroine and rescues a victim, instead of being victimized.
**Eilonwy from Black Cauldron (1985) escapes captivity through her own efforts, and released two other prisoners. She is the most proactive of the heroes in the film.
**Olivia Flaversham from  Great Mouse Detective (1986) convinces two strangers to help her in a quest to rescue her kidnapped father, and she is a rescuer rather than a victim.
**Both Rita and Georgette in Oliver & Company (1988) go out of their way to rescue the kidnapped Jennifer "Jenny" Foxworth, despite their own shady activities in earlier parts of the film. 
**As far as I know, Disney has never portrayed any major female character as a pushover. Snow White demonstrates a take-charge attitude when interacting with the Dwarfs, Cinderella has several scenes demonstrating her resourcefulness, and Wendy Darling demonstrates courage and defiance when threatened by Captain Hook. Dimadick (talk) 16:39, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Disney non-victim female character - Linda Woolverton vs. Matt Millikan 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: move the pages to the proposed titles at this time, per the discussion below.  Dekimasuよ! 04:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 28 December 2023