Talk:List of extraterrestrials in Dragon Ball

message: "In Dragon Ball GT also appear, when the news inform about the attack, is the cameo of Coola." I think this line should be rewritten, I havent seen GT so I really cant be of any help, but its a very confusing and hard to understand line.205.209.70.189 15:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Coola Line in GT

message: It should be noted that in the 'Worlds Strongest' movie characters incredibly similar to the Saibaimen, the same exact looks with a separate color palette in fact, appear early on to kidnap Muten Roshi and Bulma as well as to attack Gohan and Oolong.205.209.70.189 14:45, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DBZ Movie 2(I believe)

message: The word "other" in this page's title has no proper context. Sure, it mentions not being of a "main race", but how is someone just looking at the article name going to know that. It is not necessary, as we could just link to the other, related pages at the top removing any confusion. Also, why does "Aliens" have a capital letter? I propose it be moved to List of aliens in Dragon Ball. elvenscout742 22:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I don't endorse the article, if you are going to move, you should move it to List of Dragon Ball aliens per manual of style guidelines. -- ReyBrujo 02:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: Someone look at that article. A lot of that seems to be personal opinion, not fact. Can someone change it slightly>--Suit-n-tie 19:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garlic Jr.'s Henchmen 

message: When is the name of the sword given? I watched the movie tonight, and TiVo decided to cut the end of the movie off, so I missed everything after Hirudegarn is destroyed. Is it named then? Because Tapion just says that they found an enchanted sword in the Kash Far's temple. He doesn't say any name. Is the name given in the Japanese version instead? I'd just like a source provided before I remove something that might, in fact, be true.
Daishokaioshin 11:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never seen it called that. It's either made up or from a bad sub. Nemu 23:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah...I just watched the dub on Saturday, and I've seen it in Japanese ages ago, and the sword isn't named. Onikage725 14:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spada?

message: Would anyone be opposed to splitting off the Ginger Three from the Shitennō? Ginger, Nikki and Sansho are from the movies, but Gashyu, Tado, Salt, and Vinegar are certainly not. Onikage725 14:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Garlic. Jr's posse

message: It would be great if someone made a main article about Bojack. He starred in a DBZ Movie and that should be enough. Plus, it's much more interesting to see read about chracters who starred in something big in their own article. Frankly, there's no bad reason for Bojack to have his own article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ghadden (talk • contribs) 17:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of whether or not he should have his own article, he should at least be mentioned on this list. I have added his information which seems to have been previously erased. --Xander756 (talk) 07:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bojack

message: It looks like the Freezer-related characters and Namekians were just shoehorned in here without a second thought to aesthetics (and I thought the Namekians were fine in their own List). The S 17:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the talk page for WP:DBZ. I'm sure you'll find the answer you're lookin' for. Power level (Dragon Ball) 04:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page's layout is terrible! 

message: This is nothing but discrimination already. Saiyan characters who have less appearance are getting pages whilst characters who appear heavily more are being thrown on a list page. It's moronic. Pikkon, for crying out loud, has an episode span of 5 episodes max and one movie. And he has a page? And Nappa has appeared in 11 episodes in the long run...less than characters who seriously deserve pages. Characters such as Zarbon and Dodoria are being discriminated against heavily for absolutely no logical reason. Zarbon appeared in 14 straight episodes and 4 after equating to 18 episodes and cameo appearances throughout as well as a lenghty role in the bardock special. That character in itself is more deservant of a page than the likes of Pikkon and Nappa combined. This kind of discrimination should seriously not be tolerated. The pages have been in existence for over 2 years now and prior to that  cutdown, they were doing just fine. By deleting information about the characters completely, especially Zarbon and Dodoria, there is a constant negation against categorization. For one, these characters are not "other", they are most definitively "villain". nuff said. —the preceding comment is by 149.68.98.18 (talk • contribs) 149.68.98.18: Please sign your posts!.
: You're the one who's acting moronic by bringing back pages like Zarbon's and Dodoria's for no apparent reason! As I've already explained in my edit summary, WP:DBZ is still discussing things and characters like Paikuhan are to be merged soon. Please be patient. Don't be a dick about it by complaining. Also, make sure you sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~), as it is hard to decifer who's leaving the comment. Power level (Dragon Ball) 19:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrimination 

message: I seem to have just missed a minor flame war on Zarbon's description.  Even so, Zarbon's transformation was listed as to a "reptilian beast"; this seems to imply that he becomes a reptile instead of an  anthropomorphic reptilian creature.  As a result, I've changed the description, and added the link, to  reptilian humanoid. --Kain 23:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zarbon's appearance 

message: This list seems to be becoming quite long, for what is a list of characters that are unrelated other than being non-human/dragon/Saiyan.  The listing of Dragon Ball characters has gone through a lot of structural changes, and characters who have had individual pages have been merged into listings such as this one, with the remainder of their descriptions lost.  Also where do some of these names come from?  Surely not from Japanese transliteration... there are orthographic constructions impossible in  the Japanese language. --Kain 23:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Refer to this for why a number of characters have been added to this list. As for why character entries are dramatically shorter, plot summaries are being frowned upon when they make up the bulk of a character's entry. General character traits/abilities and the highlights of a character's role in the series are the general goal for each entry. And as for names, you'll need to elaborate on particulars and why they're impossible.  ~SnapperTo 23:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That discussion was <1 month ago so no surprise I missed it.  It's still the 2nd or 3rd restructuring  of characters I've seen (in ca. 1½ years), and links aren't all being redirected to be resolved.  Regarding your other comment, it isn't possible for me to reply without elaboration upon your hidden comment.   --Kain 00:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given your user page and the fact that your reply was coherent, I assume you aren't referring to yourself with your hidden comment. If this assumption is false, I apologize for making an ass out of me and myself. If this assumption is correct, I was referring to myself with the "doesn't know Japanese" line. ~SnapperTo 00:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Er, I wasn't.  My assumption was that you were referring to me, as you had used the third person.  Apologies for the misunderstanding.  I was going to post a couple of examples when I saw your reply in the edit box.  These are (amongst others):  Jheece (I can't see any means of constructing "jh" in Japanese, and it is not native to English either); and Saibamen (this might as well be a Japanese transliteration of Cybermen), which appears to be "Saibaimen" (actually "Saibaiman").  I'll have to go back and capture screenshots of the title screens (I only have a subtitled version with Japanese audio).  It appears that there are inconsistencies in the way Japanese names are transliterated here, and my comment here was to query whether there was a standard other than the Kunrei or Hepburn romanizations. --Kain 00:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think names are generally spelt to match how they are spelt in the English manga, falling back on transliterations when that isn't available or "agreeable". Don't quote me on that though. During all of the page mergings, much of the Japanese name information (kanji, romaniazation, alternative interpretations, etc.) were left behind, possibly owing to whatever name discrepancies or confusions there are. I might start re-adding this information over the weekend, and in the meantime you might want to ask this question at WP:DBZ (this article doesn't receive a lot of traffic, and therefore you aren't likely to get much help in the near future). ~SnapperTo 02:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of this list

message: How ironic, Yo've been stressing people about "crufty" articles on Dragon Ball characters leading them to merge to riduculously long lists and now this list is up for deletion for being "too superfluous". DO YOU FINALLY SEE MY POINT?! Articles please.Uglyguy2006
:Uh, the redirect was marked for speedy deletion, not this. If this was deleted for being cruft, how would more articles help? TTN 18:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: End of the article?

message: removed him because this is a DBZ list, and should only have offical 100% DBZ chracters —The preceding comment was added by Yami Takashi (talk • contribs • [/wiki/Special:Log/move?user={{urlencode:Yami Takashi page moves] • block user • [/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:{{urlencode:Yami Takashi block log])
yeah right, namekians are probably the largest race in importance next to Saiyan and human. the beginning which says "This is a list of fictional extraterrestrials (that are not a part of a main race) who appear in..." is getting changed.
Kuriza was recently re-added for no apparant reasoning, he's not even a dbz character, he's from neko majin. he doesn't belong here. - 72.229.48.178 (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kuriza did not belong here 

message: I think  most of the characters known in the anime and games should have an attack description so it can explain what type of attacks they used. I already put three of these. Johnny542 21:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Attack Descriptions

message: I just added a brief line mentioning Tapion's strong resemblance to Crono from Chrono Trigger, which is noteworthy since Akira Toriyama worked on it. This seemed like the best place to put it, since he doesn't have have own page (which is fair enough, he's a pretty minor character). - Admeister200x, 29th August 2007.
Tapion looks NOTHING like Chrono. Chrono has nearly the same hair as SSJ4 Gogeta, not a mohawk, and uses a katana, not a longsword.Tetra Vega 22:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tapion

message: The article says that he betrays Goku, Pan and Trunks and then has a change of heart when he actually planned everything with Trunks before arriving on planet M2.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.188.36.110 (talk) 02:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gill

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:GinyuForcePose.jpg

message: The following is stated under the King Coldd subtopic: "Cold only appears in what seems to be a form similar to Freeza's second form, and it is unknown whether or not he has any other forms, although it is hinted at the idea that Freeza was the only one to create transformations to suppress his ki." 
No source is quoted for this. Does anyone know where in the manga is this mentioned?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.200.64.14 (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: King Cold

message: Umm... where is he in this article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.26.162.239 (talk) 00:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yakon! 

message: What happened to the Kanassans, Raiti/Zachoro(sp?), and any other missing aliens? (Tetra Vega, not signed in) 156.34.248.74 (talk) 05:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to everyone? 

message: I was debating adding Coola's henchmen onto this article (Doore, Neizu, and Salza) but was hesitant as they only showed up in the movie. Are these noteworthy additions? Also, shouldn't Guru and Kami be listed under Namekians?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xander756 (talk • contribs) 06:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Coola's Henchmen

message: I've noticed a large number of characters and voice actors have been removed from this page. Why is that!?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.125.218 (talk) 02:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where did everyone go? 

message: I just uploaded Paikuhan's picture and i'd appreciate if u guys started uploading to other characters too...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MightySaiyan (talk • contribs) 17:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paikuhan picture.Add More!! 

message: Why was Tsuno's entry deleted from this page?
because that was an unnamed namekian, a regular elder who was never named neither in the manga nor in the anime. "Suno" however is the name of the little girl living near Muscle Tower. "Tsuno" was removed for the same reason this other unnamed character, "Rittain" was removed. There are no characters named "Rittain" or "Tsuno". - 72.229.48.178 (talk) 15:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tsuno/Rittain/Zeso/Banan/Sūi/Commander Cado/Grepe/Tanger/Boysenberry  

message: "Tapion" redirects here, but at the moment Tapion is not mentioned a single time in the entire article.  Someone fix this, please.  Dfsghjkgfhdg (talk) 04:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tapion redirect

message: It is an official name! Watch this video and see for yourself! http://dbzspecial1.blogspot.com/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.125.218 (talk) 19:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demetrious 

message: This is for further proof that the captain lives and is killed by Freeza and not King Cold.
Here is the Captain saying he found Freeza when King Cold makes the glass shatter and some soldiers go flying out.
http://images.myfavoritegames.com/gallery-db-z-gt-x/Screenshots/Dragonball_Z/06._Trunks_Saga/104._The_Mysterious_Youth/104-76.jpg
Here is the captain upon being ordered to attack on Earth.
http://images.myfavoritegames.com/gallery-db-z-gt-x/Screenshots/Dragonball_Z/06._Trunks_Saga/105._Another_Super_Saiyan/105-08.jpg
And here is the Captain when he is killed by Freeza from behind, with his hair, beard, and armor shredded by Trunks.
http://images.myfavoritegames.com/gallery-db-z-gt-x/Screenshots/Dragonball_Z/06._Trunks_Saga/105._Another_Super_Saiyan/105-10.jpg 72.229.48.178 (talk) 03:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Captain / Dodo Bird Soldier / Frog-Face 

message: In the recent Double Feature release of the two T.V Specials, as Panbukin is about to crush the Kanassan, you hear him say: "Commander, I've drawn blood. Now the foot must rise and fall". That voice sounds like Demetrious. The commander than says "Good. I will see you at the dawn, Demetrious". Implying that Demetrious is the one who shot at Panbukin.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.125.218 (talk) 22:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proof of Demetrious 

message: Tsuno is an official name. In episode 105 of DBZ, you can hear one of the Namekians say: "But Saichoro, we don't see anyone from Elder Tsuno's village!" Also, at the start of volume 12 of the DBZ manga, the Namek calls Tsuno by the name of "Caracol". So, Tsuno is a official name after all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.125.218 (talk) 23:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tsuno 

message: Of recent, TTN and Sesshomaru have come and deleted approximately half the information from the page, including main movie villains. Anyone else agree that all those characters should be deleted? I for one disagree with this and have re-added everyone who was deleted prior. I hope that TTN discusses here as to why he feels they should not be included. Anyone who is a character should be included, in my opinion. I hope others will voice their opinion. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 03:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're very wrong, have you read WP:NOTABLE yet? You can list every single minour character in Dragon Ball wiki, not here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Then remove Coola, he shouldn't even have his own section IMHO. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

text: 72, why don't you add back only the characters that had kind of an impact and negotiate from there, instead of re-adding the whole bunch that even you agree were too minor? Also, as Sesshomaru has said, if you want every trivial character to be mentioned, the Dragonball wiki may be a better outlet. – sgeureka t•c 04:56, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

text: All of those characters either play absolutely no role in the story or only appear in one film. Absolutely minor characters cannot be covered here. There is an encyclopedic standard to be upheld, and those characters do not add to the understanding of the series. Characters that only appear in one film can be covered within that film. If a character is overall minor (King Cold, Kiwi, and the single members of the Ginyu Force), but has some sort of relevance within the series, they will be mentioned within groupings or the sections of other character. If any of those characters above happen to fit into that category, they will be added into that. TTN (talk) 15:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: TTN, with all respect, I believe that mentality is the worst I've heard thus far. Almost all other shows on wikipedia cover minor characters. Thus, although they are minor, they are rather important. And this is highly against all that you believe. For one, Kiwi, King Cold, and the Ginyu are all extremely major characters. You are underanalyzing the word "minor". Let me break it down for you simple. Major characters are those who battle the heroes of the series. Minor characters are those who do absolutely nothing but stay in the background. Now...that taken into account, some members of the Ginyu are extremely MAJOR characters. In fact, you couldn't even have an entire saga if it weren't for them. Otherwise, you'd only have three characters listed on the pages, and they would be Freeza, Cell, and Buu and that would be all. And this, my friend, would be extremely stupid and arrogant, because it would not only negate from the overall conception of the series, but the actual coverage of the series run. The page, currently, is a mess right now because it isn't even separated in identification order, but in alphabetical order. This is a horrid, mutilation of an idea. I'm sorry, but I think we should agree to disagree here. But I know for a fact that you can't have any saga without the supporting villains. It's foolish to think otherwise. Supporting villains are MAJOR characters in the series run. I agree with the likes of those I listed above are minor, but Kiwi, King Cold, and the Ginyu are all major people. This I strongly and confidantly back up, full throttle and without a shred of doubt. I agree if you wanted to remove the likes of Blueberry and Raspberry, but to delete King Cold is a huge error on anyone's part. The best bet is to keep all the characters who appear in the original manga. So basically, if King Cold is important in the manga, then he's important here. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 01:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TTN and Sesshomaru edits 

message: ::I have more to say on this issue. There is heavy favoritism going on here. After carefully evaluating the "list of Saiyans" page, I've found that most of the people listed there are far less important and extremely inconsequential than many whom were recently removed here. To keep with this type of guideline, I believe these people have WAY more merit to be deleted than all the people who were recently deleted here. For further info...
* broli - appears in 3 non-manga movies. Highly inconsequential movie villain.
* burdock - appears in only 1 small strip and 1 movie. extremely inconsequential.
* onio - does not even appear in dbz, only in neko majin, shouldn't even be listed.
* paragus - appears in half of 1 movie.
* seripa - appears in two scenes of 1 movie. EXTREMELY inconsequential.
* toma - appears in two scenes of 1 movie. TREMENDOUSLY inconsequential.
* tullece - appears in only 1 movie.
* king vegeta - appears in 4 scenes throughout the ENTIRE series run. 
* bra - appears in GT briefly for a few scenes here and there.
* future gohan - appears only in a percentage of 1 movie.
* son goku jr. - appears in one movie.
* vegeta jr. - appears in one scene of one episode. EXTREMELY, HEAVILY inconsequential.
* gogeta - appears in one fight segment of 1 movie.
* veku - appears in 1 scene of 1 movie.
TTN, why don't you delete these people too, they aren't important at all. If anything, they are all less important than those you decided to delete from the extraterrestrials list. We can't keep characters just because of who they are. If we base it on appearance, then every person I listed here needs to be deleted to follow the same routine cleanup you want on this page, my dear TTN. Please, see if you agree with me, because right now, I seriously want Broli and the rest I just listed deleted until all the important people are re-added in order to follow the same consensus and not be given to favoritism. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 02:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 72.229.48.178, when there's alot of work to be done on an article, people usually spread it out over a period of time, to reduce the workload on themselves. If there's anyone that needs removal that hasn't been taken away to the great kingdom of the deleted, it probably just means they haven't gotten to it yet.--Koji†Dude (C) 02:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Consensus doesn't happen in seconds. Before any action can be taken to delete somone on the other lists, we have to decide which ones to delete. It was never anyone's intention to fix this list and leave the others be.--Koji†Dude (C) 02:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: When someone has a lot of work to do, they spread it out over periods of time. That's what's happeneing here. It's not like there's any deadline for it to get done.--Koji†Dude (C) 02:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: That's understandable. But why prolong what is so very obvious. Please tell me. Please explain what is debatable. Is "vodka", who appears in 3 scenes of one episode important, is this debatable...I'm serious. What is there to be discussed. Please, I know there's no rush, but I pretty much explained full well here what the situation is. Why give it thought. I already investigated fully and have found all people corresponding to this minor level of importance in order to save you the hassle. lets discuss who you think should be kept from the people i just listed. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 02:34, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, calm down. It's being prolonged because the people working on it are either busy or tired. It's just a Wikipedia article, for christ's sake. We're not arguing that it shouldn't be done.--Koji†Dude (C) 02:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion Consensus: Further characters that should be deleted 

message: At present, the list of characters on the extraterrestrials page, based on their actual level of appearance in episodes is as follows:
* Cooler - 2 movies
* Dodoria - 9 episodes and 2 movies
* Dr. Myuu - 11 episodes
* Gear - approximately 60 episodes
* General Rilld - 7 episodes
* Captain Ginyu - 14 episodes
* Jeice - 13 episodes and 1 movie
* Burter - 12 episodes
* Recoome - 12 episodes
* Guldo - 3 episodes
* King Cold - 4 episodes
* Cui - 4 episodes
* Muri - 3 episodes
* Nail - 7 episodes
* Paikuhan - 7 episodes
* Saibaimen - 3 episodes
* Saichoro - 12 episodes
* Zarbon - 17 episodes and 2 movies
So basically, based on level of importance, in this order:
* 1. Gear/Giru
* 2. Zarbon
* 3. Captain Ginyu
* 4. Jeice
* 5. Recoome
* 6. Burter
* 7. Saichoro/Guru
* 8. Dodoria
* 9. Dr. Myuu
* 10. Nail
* 11. Paikuhan/Pikkon
* 12. General Rilld/Rilldo
* 13. King Cold
* 14. Cui/Kiwi
* 15. Guldo
* 16. Saibaimen
* 17. Muri
* 18. Cooler
This is basically the outlook for the page, based on actual appearance of the characters. 69.113.40.154 (talk) 22:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are arranged in alphabetical order.--Koji†Dude (C) 23:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Keeping track of who appears how much, etc. is an important factor. I assume that if the page needs further trimming, the likes of Muri and the Saibaimen can be removed at a later date, considering their overall level of importance is also highly limited. But this is actually a good way of maintaining who is more important, etc. I agree that Zarbon and Ginyu are at a high apparatus of importance, they do hold prevalence to other characters. However, other than the fact that Zarbon is my favorite character, I would like to mention that the likes of Cooler are also important. I don't know if we should negate the characters completely just because they are limited to movies. If that were to happen, then others from the other pages need to be removed as well (Broly and Bardock, for example), who have also appeared lesser than Cooler. I assume that the 14 profiles currently on the page is a nice and short way to maintain the page. The only thing I don't agree with is the combination of all the Ginyu Special Corps into one profile instead of separate ones. However, I'm not interested enough to quarrel over that. As long as Zarbon gets to keep some form of information, I feel the page is fine. I also feel that TTN shouldn't have trimmed Zarbon's profile since now it fails to mention the method in which he defeated Vegeta and the method in which he was killed. I've come to realize that it's best left alone though, since reverting would only cause further complications. I've decided to let it be. When it comes to the actual presentation of the page, other than that one detrimental factor, I feel that the rest of the page is looking better since all the rest of the lesser characters have been removed. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 13:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, I have trimmed all the profiles to go along with TTN's prior adjustments. Now the profiles have no fancruft or personal opinion within them. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 13:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

text: The only thing I don't agree with is the exclusion of the method in which Zarbon is killed, which should be noted. Also, the one word of "handsome" is descriptive, as it is used by Toriyama's manga to describe the character. The rest of the trimming seems to be alright. Maybe the Ginyu Special Corps can be trimmed a bit, but I don't see anything else that needs trimming...maybe the overall inclusion of Muri and the Saibaimen is debatable. But that's about it. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 03:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current level of importance 

message: Guys, seriously, it's a paragraph long section for a Dragon Ball character on an internet encyclopedia. How many people a day read it, do you think? 2 or 3? It's not worth the revert/edit war. If you disagree about the way its written now, talk about it here. You can argue with each other all week for all I care, just don't condemn yourselves to a WP:3RR block. You guys are smarter than that.--Koji†Dude (C) 02:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's nothing to discuss, I already proved that the word "handsome" must be included since it is the only word used to describe the character in the episode title and manga chapter. If it wasn't official, then I wouldn't even mention it. Also, the other "guy" doing the reverting is a master sockpuppeteer who has sworn to do everything in his power to try and have me banned through reverting. So basically, it doesn't matter whether I stop reverting his stupidity. What's important is that he will find ways to follow my contributions and hound me around as he has been doing for the last three or so years. This has solidly been discussed on my talk page in the current discussion. You might be interested enough to check it out considering he's using one of his socks right now. Zarbon (talk) 02:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a source, list it in the ref column and use the <ref> format to note it.--Koji†Dude (C) 02:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refer to Nothing but Goosebumps! The Handsome Warrior Zarbon's Demonic Transformation for this source. It is official, the only titling of the episode. Also, the title was presented in the manga as well. Just google the title, the sources are unlimited. Please help me maintain this word intact, it is very descriptive in itself. Zarbon (talk) 03:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I beleive you, but you have to note the source in the article.--Koji†Dude (C) 03:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it is one note. Can you do it this once so that I may follow your guideline if there needs to be more sourcing. Zarbon (talk) 04:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zarbon