Talk:Kevin James (broadcaster)

message: Can we get a discussion of this here? There's a nonproductive edit war going on here, which I don't necessarily want to get in the middle of, but some of this really looks like unsourced pov negative content. Can we get a consensus on what should be included? Thanks, FCSundae ∨☃ (talk) 00:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not unsourced.  It is notable.  The full account is online at the refs.  Someone is deleting this I'm guessing because it is unflattering.  --Replysixty (talk) 05:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Theish continues to hastily revert and possibly vandalize the article, and I have asked him/her to stop.   Redthoreau (talk) RT 05:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text:  It looks like you will be heading for 3RR ... because this incident is notable and really his only reason for general notability as far as I can tell.   Redthoreau (talk) RT 05:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably just you and me.  whether or not this issue is what grants him notability is unimportant.  The focus and tone of the section are not appropriate for a BLP. Protonk (talk) 05:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Bio of a living person.   Redthoreau (talk) RT 05:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: * Notability of the incident in question isn't the issue here.  If he had been arrested for drunk driving, would we post a play-by-play of the evening on the bio or provide a line noting the event? Protonk (talk) 05:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * We would if you did it on National TV in front of millions of people as he did.   Redthoreau (talk) RT 06:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * I don't think so.  I mean the hardball section is more text than the rest of the biography and it is about 9 minutes of the man's life.  Remember, the information is out there.  It is our responsibility to build a record that is a reasoned, NPOV collection of the facts.  We start to lose that reputation if BLPs are filled up with everyone's latest gaffe. Protonk (talk) 06:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And Lee Harvey Oswald's page is made up mostly of his actions during about 2 seconds of his life. In addition, no one is stopping you from adding additional info on the man, his bio, life story, etc. However that is difficult to find at the moment, because before this incident, nobody knew he who he was for the most part.   Redthoreau (talk) RT 06:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol. That's assuming it really was Oswald. =)   --So long, and thanks for all the fish! (talk) 06:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: And... I just fixed my sig. --AlphaFactor (talk) 06:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Meh.  Oswald assassinated a president.  Kevin James proved that talk radio hosts can be blowhards.  One of these things is shocking and newsworthy. Protonk (talk) 06:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I have removed the quotes, per your complaints. However, you should not remove specificity (28 times) and replace it with vague wording "multiple" etc.   Redthoreau (talk) RT 06:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps.  I would err on the side of vagueness there.  For one, it isn't really important how many specific times he asked it.  At some point in the conversation it became more of a litany than anything else.  In this case I think that the phrase "28 times" suggests a dialogue that didn't really take place.  I would understand removing multiple if the intent of keeping it in was to drastically change the suggested times Matthews asked it, but I don't think that is/was the case.  Of course I'm proud of Tweety for doing this, holding SOMEONE's feet to the fire.  At the same time I fear that he (Matthews) felt he could do this by virtue of his relative stature.  I would really like someone to do this to an administration official (or former, a la Jon Stewart and Doug Fieth).  I understand that respect for the office forbids them from castigating them publicly for their ignorance but we should at least expect the fourth estate to treat mendacity and ignorance in government more seriously than in AM radio. Protonk (talk) 06:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a tough one, because specific is better than vague.  "28" times is illustrative of the tenor of the conversation and James unwillingness to answer, but is also highly embarrassing for James.  If Wikipedia's mission included the effort to avoid embarrassing public figures, I'd see your point that "multiple" is good enough, but in terms of a clear description, I tend to favor 28.  --Replysixty (talk) 07:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I have also removed the Perino statement per your complaint. I hope such actions will show a good faith attempt to be collaborative.   Redthoreau (talk) RT 06:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure thing.  I don't think the burden is on your to prove good faith.  I didn't assume that you were acting maliciously in reverting my edits.  Protonk (talk) 06:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Agreed.  I can see the validity of removing the Perino note, although I do think it does give some context to the point Matthews was making about James.  I agree the quotes may have been sensationalist.  However, for whatever reason Theish is trying to "balance" (as s/he sees it) the article with irrelevant information (after trying to delete the section entirely).  This certainly qualifies as disruptive. I do not think the information about the hardball appearance is excessive or disproportionate.  If the rest of the article seems short on details, please fill it out as necessary. -Replysixty (talk) 07:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text:  No, Theish, Matthews did not make the same mistake.  Matthews said "Wasn't the USS Cole under Bush?" which is a question, not a statement.  Then, he added a correction- "I mean, I don't know what I'm talking about here."  This comment is not notable to the exchange.  What is notable, and the reason people are discussing this event, is James' total meltdown.   What you are doing is trying to create "two sides" to this event, trying to balancing a major "gotcha" moment with another incidental one.  This is an NPOV issue at its heart.  Even if Matthews had made a factual mistake, that does not "balance" the fact that James was on the air to vehemently argue a historical point for which he was wholly ignorant and for three minutes was called out on it on national television.  If you truly think that Matthews' quote was notable (it was not), perhaps you should add it to the Chris Matthews page. --Replysixty (talk) 08:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardball 

message: I just watched a lengthy MSN video of the segment.  Both Matthews and James were interrupting each other with Matthews asking over and over what it was that Chamberlain did in 1938-39 to appease Hitler.  Obviously, James did not know, but he never admitted it.  He said "I don't know" at least twice, the second time in semi-complete sentence, and I am paraphrasing, "I don't know what President Bush meant when he was talking to the Israel Knesset regarding blah blah blah."  I think we are going to have to wait to get a written transcript for an accurate discussion of this issue.  At that point, someone may decide that it is not worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.35.136.125 (talk) 03:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I Don't Know 

message: James' birth year is listed "1963" in the first paragraph, but categorized as "1965 births". Which is it? Reference? Wondering, -- Infrogmation (talk) 02:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth year

message: I have verified the claim that Matthews asked a variation of the question 28 times, by counting them myself. If others would like to count them = here is the video. Let me know if you arrive at a different number?   Redthoreau (talk) RT 05:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good, and I think Matthews even said in a later interview something like "I asked him about two dozen times ..." -- Quartermaster (talk) 18:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the interview on the You Tube, changed the reference in the article to a direct quote from Matthews where he says "over two dozen times" and pointed to the location on the Internets of teh You Tube moving visualization. -- Quartermaster (talk) 18:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just edited this in the article for more accuracy. Both in the YouTube video and in the transcript, Matthews only said "two dozen times" and not "over two dozen times." Really minor, but if we're going to say what Matthews said we (meaning "I") should get it accurate and correct. --Quartermaster (talk) 19:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 28 times

message: The final product this morning seems much more balanced and accurate.  Please let us keep it that way.  As I stated yesterday, I totally disagreed with James and supported Matthews' hammering home his point, but there is no need for exaggeration.  James did an adequate job of inserting his foot in his mouth without any assistance from Wikipedia.  Let us all work to maintain the integrity of the site.  Thank you.Mindian (talk) 08:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finale 

message: I tried to reference a New York Times article on appeasement to give readers a background but the footnote does not look right.  I am new to this, so could someone either insert it properly or advise me how to do so?  Thanks. Mindian (talk) 08:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Since there are so many ref tags, I thought I'd point to Kevin James' page on KRLA. Paper45tee (talk) 16:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official biography 

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message: As an LA City employee, I don't think I should edit this article, but it might be worth mentioning his appointment by the mayor in 2013 as one of the five full-time commissioners that run the Los Angeles City Department of Public Works (), and his current position as board president. It may not be all that exciting, but the department does have over five thousand employees and a budget of about half a billion. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:58, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kevin James' Current Job 

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