Talk:Kangaroo meat

message: This source is a press release from the livestock industry trying to sell kangaroo meat. The stats might be correct, but I think this really needs a better source since this group is certainly not NPOV. Bob98133 13:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Product Section - Ref#6 

message: Article could be usefully expanded, particularly on production details and statistics as well as comparison to grazing livestock. This ref has a lot of useful detail, I would do it but don't have time right now: An industry that's under the gun  Rexparry sydney 07:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: Mentioned in the article is the best way to cook kangaroo meat (raw to medium raw), but through my own experience with frequently cooking kangaroo meat, I've found that a slow cooker makes it very tender and juicy. Perhaps something to that effect could be mentioned within the article.
Also, buying kangaroo meat tends to be cheaper than sheep/pig/cow meat. Etimodnar 08:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately without a source it can't. As for the cost part, I presume it depends where you live. I'm guessing that's Australia. It's probably not the case in much of the rest of the world. Another factoid which I don't know how easy it is to source is that most commercial kangaroos tends to be fairly poor quality. The way the industry operates (supported by the above link under a gun) is that there is incentive for hunters to shoot the biggest kangaroos ignoring that these are usually the oldest and toughest ones, usually males (of course this is good from management perspective) so the meat is correspondingly fairly poor quality Nil Einne 22:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cooking Methods 

message: Why do we even eat cattle? Is it because that is a tradition that has followed Europeans to Australia and is simple and economical? Why don't we farm kangaroos instead? I think we should phase out cows and phase in kangaroos as a meat of choice. I mean there perfectly fine there's nothing wrong with kangaroo meat so what need do we really have for cows when our native animals can meet all these needs? TeePee-20.7 00:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the main issue is that you can't contain Kangaroos on a farm, you would have to build a massive (and expensive) fence to keep them contained. You would have to revegitate your farm and be allocated a number of kangaroos you can shoot... a tough idea to push in agricultural areas that have been farming sheep since their forefathers settled the land. Also there isn't much market for kangaroo yet, so that limits production... so yes good in theory but hard to get it started. --Hypo Mix (talk) 05:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kangaroo over Cattle 

message: As soon as I read this article, there was something wrong with it.
It said, "Any of the the three species of kangaroo". Pardon me, but aren't there over 60 species of kangaroo? (69 I think.) Or if they are just referring to the three main types of kangaroo, the western grey kangaroo, eastern grey kangaroo, or red kangaroo. If that is the case, then there is nothing wrong with it. I was wondering if I could edit that.
--RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 23:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are around 60 species in their family and four in their genus according to their article (Kangaroo). It's off-topic in their article, so I removed it. Royalbroil 23:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: kangaroo is not a scientific term so it only applies to what people perceive as kangaroos.. so generally the grays and the reds. it would be better to list the Latin names. --Hypo Mix (talk) 05:52, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kangaroo Species  

message: There should be something in the article about the 'roo in the stew' meat substitution scandal in the early 80s, the effects on beef exports, etc.--121.45.0.223 (talk) 06:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The report itself does not seem tobe published on line - 1982 is too long ago --Matilda talk 01:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It took 15 years, but Australian meat substitution scandal now has an article and it's linked from this. Jpatokal (talk) 06:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kangaroo Meat Scandal 

message: There's a contradiction that needs to be worked out. The Production section starts out with:
:Kangaroo is not farmed.Steve Dow: "An industry that's under the gun." Sydney Morning Herald online, September 26, 2007. Kangaroo meat comes entirely from professional culling operations where the animals are head or heart-shot in the wild.
The Products section then goes on to say:
:Kangaroo farming is a substantially more environmentally friendly meat industry than present sheep or cattle farming: kangaroos require less feed than placental stock, are well-adapted to drought, do not destroy the root systems of native grasses in the way that sheep do, and have much less impact on Australia's fragile topsoils.  However as of 2004, the traditional regulatory restrictions on the sale of kangaroo meat in the Australian domestic market make kangaroo farming economically unattractive.  Nevertheless, the industry is worth around A$200 million annually.
Clearly, these can't both be true. How do we resolve the contradiction? —CKA3KA (Skazka) (talk) 21:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: also "farmed" does not need to mean fenced paddocks, could also mean hunting an area sustainably --Hypo Mix (talk) 05:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: Good edits to this and sourcing. One I question though, I think I removed it before, is in the Products section - http://www.csiro.au/files/mediaRelease/mr2004/kangaroofat.htm This is a press release from Livestock Industries so, even though the info is probably correct, that this isn't the best source for it. If it's true, there should be a better reference. Bob98133 (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I reviewed the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation website. Even so, if this is of great importance, you would think that it would be mentioned in the media, and elswhere on their website, rather than just in a press release, but I agree the reference is sound. Sorry for the earlier removal. Bob98133 (talk) 23:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not suggesting it is of great importance.  The factoid was added by somebody else, tagged by another as unreferenced, I have added a reference. I do not think it is undue weight though - it happens to be a reasonably well-established scientific fact. Fair few google hits for kangaroo lineolic acid  , I just picked what I believed to be a reliable source which was in reasonably plain English.  You could have this one  merely a truncated abstract but from The International Bibliographic Information on Dietary Supplements database (established within the Office of Disease Prevention, Office of the Director, at the National Institutes of Health and cooperating with other US Govt Agencies) . It seems to support the assertion kangaroo meat (rich in linoleic and arachidonic acids) .  I think though Australians might have a tad bit more interest in the subject that Yanks - hence the more plain English version trying to communicate their findings. A newspaper article that covers the topic in some detail http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/an-industry-thats-under-the-gun/2007/09/25/1190486311919.html --Matilda talk 00:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dicey source in Products section? 

message: As there have been a couple of edits recently altering the article content, I thought it would be useful to collect some sources on some of the topics being discussed
*In 1983 kangaroo farming was thought to not be feasible because Markets for meat and skins are limited and are adequately supplied from the existing rangeland harvest (i.e. kangaroo hunting). Farmed kangaroos could not compete successfully in these circumstances because of high costs associated with establishing and operating a kangaroo farming enterprise. -- 
*The Victorian Government produced a paper which has a number of useful references to the history and to the legislation concerning harvesting of kangaroos - see 
*While there is probably bias against the source and I think it would be questioned as to whether it met our guidelines for a reliable source it is probably instructive to read http://www.kangaroo-industry.asn.au/industry.html and http://www.kangaroo-industry.asn.au/morinfo/BACKGR1.HTM 
*Recently (October 2007) Greenpeace called for increased consumption of kangaroo - more at  
--Matilda talk 01:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kangaroo farming and harvesting - some sources 

message: the article gives this bbc article as a reference  for kangaroos being only hunted, not farmed - except the news item contradicts this by stating, quite clearly:  "The country already produces 30 million kangaroos farmed by landholders in the outback." (emphasis added). So are they farmed or not?! --86.135.86.85 (talk) 20:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Farming implies management and livestock which is intentionally managed - there is no intentional management that I am aware of . The kangaroos live on the land regardless of ownership status.  The article is looking to a future farming strategy. --Matilda talk 20:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article seems to specifically refer to practices happening right now as being "farming". --86.135.125.235 (talk) 18:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The quotes from Wilson urge farming, the assertion The country already produces 30 million kangaroos farmed by landholders in the outback. is at variance with the other sources in the article.  Yes 30 million roos may be jumping around (3 million are harvested and current estimates of the population are 35-50m ) , and yes people including Dr George Wilson, of the Australian Wildlife Services, urges farming them. - Wilson is not quoted as saying them as farmed.  I think the article is in error in stating 30 million are farmed today. --Matilda talk 20:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course the other question is what really counts as farming? At what point does free-range farming become a kind of... managed hunter-gathering?--86.135.125.235 (talk) 23:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the confusion arises from the fact that the roos are hunted on land owned by people unlike hunting-gathering in the old days when hunting was done in the wild! Docku:“what up?” 00:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  as i mentioned above "also "farmed" does not need to mean fenced paddocks, could also mean hunting an area sustainably" --Hypo Mix (talk) 05:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  is it farmed or not? 

message: *From Australian SBS: http://www.sbs.com.au/food/article/3348/Kanga-who - updated statistics - meets WP:RS --Matilda talk 00:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mostly for recipes, though. There is no indication of who does this site or how to contact them, or what if any references were used to arrive at figures in this article, or who the author is and what qualifications he might have. I think it's a bit dubious that this fits WP:RS Bob98133 (talk) 18:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Special Broadcasting Service is a notable news organisation within Australia.  They would count as a reliable source.  For example this article provides a percentage of the Australian people who eat kangaroo meat more than 4 times a year (14.5%) - not a figure we have had access too before.  I don't think we had a reference before either t the export industry existing since 1959 and there is an update on the $value of that industry. --Matilda talk 19:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I didn't know that about SBS - guess I could have looked in Wiki...As long as they are reliable, then it is good to have the additional stats. Bob98133 (talk) 21:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  yep they are independent of government and meat industries. --Hypo Mix (talk) 05:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful reference 

message: I wanted to suggest some words for the section Products. To me, this section makes it sound like Kangaroo meat is only "just bareable" whereby you have to add it to food to cover up the taste. I would like to see:
"Kangaroo fillet and steak is not only just found in the supermarket, but is very quickly becoming widely used in high-end modern cuisine restuarants throughout Australia." 
Or something to that effect. 
Other health benefits of choosing Kangaroo over beef include it is lower in fat and cholestorol (by a lot) and is very high in protein. References:
^ O'dea, K., Sinclair, A., Niall, M. and Traianedes, K. 1986. Lean meat as part of a cholesterol-lowering diet. Progress in Lipid Research 25: 219-220.
^ O'dea, K. 1988. Kangaroo meat - polyunsaturated and low in fat: ideal for cholesterol-lowering diets. Australian Zoologist 24: 140-143.
It is also a lower methane emmitting choice for people conscious of their carbon footprint. Professor Ross Garnaut jumped on this idea in this Climate Change Review for the Australian Government (2008) here. And you already have the reference Wilson and Edwards (2008). Using kangaroos adaptations to produce low emission meat here. JennyKS (talk) 04:27, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some suggestions only 

message: I also agree with other editors/comments listed previously that people's misconception that Kangaroo need be "farmed" is ludicrous. They are a free ranging animal and always will be. Take examples from South Africa and Scotland where sustainable harvest of native free-ranging animals occurs with benefit to the landholder, without erecting fences. The same can be and should be applied in Australia. Nor should beef/sheep systems need be replaced wholly by kangaroo production - they can compliment one another and kangaroo form only a portion of farm income. See Sustainable Wildlife Enterprises. JennyKS (talk) 04:24, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kangaroo Farming 

message: Okay, so we have some quota numbers, but how many kangaroos are actually killed each year? That information should be available from the Aus gov’t…. — TheHerbalGerbil(TALK|STALK), 19:41, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kill numbers? 

message: espcially with news showing new kangaroo/emu burgers does anyone have a health list of eating kangaroo compared to "traditional" meats like beef? from a outsider non kangaroo eater point of view it would be good information to have in the article to compare it to other meat sources.152.91.9.153 (talk) 01:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  dietry benifets 

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Where is the described taste? 172.115.31.107 (talk) 13:12, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taste? 

message: There's a fair number of serious WP violations with Correction's edits, recently made to this article and to Kangaroo industry (some of the edits are copy-pasted and identical). Here are a subset of the problems that absolutely need to be fixed before it's suitable for integration into the article:
- WP:RS: a big chunk of the edits is supported by references to "Professor David Brooks" who is not, in fact, a working academic but a person with the title of "Honorary Associate Professor" at U of Sydney. His expertise appears to be poetry. He has published mainly on English literature and poetry. His doctoral degree is in English literature. He appears to have a hobby of writing about animals on the side; this does not make him an animal expert under WP guidelines. None of the population control writings or other scientific material attributed to him fall under WP:RS; the most this deserves is around two lines mentioning that this non-specialist has certain strong views about animal rights of this industry.
- WP:SOAPBOX: when critical viewpoints are added to certain original/mainstream viewpoints, the preferred Wikipedia approach is to integrate the criticisms closely adjacent to where the original issues are discussed. In cases where this would not be appropriate (e.g. biography articles or academic theories), a criticism section may be added. In this case, the user's edits mainly pertain to the first section and should be integrated into the first section with proper care. Adding a bunch of copy-and-pasted content (which btw is a WP:COPYVIO issue) to a new section immediately below the first section is an extremely lazy way of editing and creates a badly unreadable article to anyone who doesn't realize it was edited by someone with an agenda.
- content blanking: Example. While adding in dozens of paragraphs of copy-and-pasted content, the user removed two existing paragraphs (each with a reliable source) on the pretense that they're not "up-to-date". The removed content is in a different section; one is in the lede. Their statements have not been replaced. If any part of the article can be removed for being not "up to date" because someone is adding in a 2021 source (which, btw, is a synthesis of many older sources), then the entire article could pretty much be removed on the same grounds. That did not happen; the user is just blanking certain paragraphs that he finds disagreeable.
- incorrect use of sources: This is a reference to a legislative council meeting minutes:
THINKK, ‘Submission 160, Point 5.11’, Health and wellbeing of kangaroos and other macropods in New South, Parliament NSW, Legislative Council.
The claims made here are not backed up by the "Legislative Council" but in fact by specific witnesses or think tanks called into hearings by the legislative council. They should be attributed properly.  Ceconhistorian (talk) 22:49, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by [[Special:Contributions/Correction121212|Correction121212]] 

message: Hello! I'm uh, still pretty new to editing Wikipedia so I'm not sure if it is an issue or not, but the third paragraph of the article is pretty much just said word for word elsewhere. I went ahead and removed the cooking section of the article, as again it just said word for word what was already in the third paragraph, and frankly didn't seem to warrant its own section. 
I don't really know what to do about the rest of the paragraph though, specifically how it is a near copy of the 'Nutrition and products' section. Lilliraune 00:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third paragraph in the article 

message: Many if the paragraphs are repeats of later paragraphs. Should this be fixed and if so, how?
Amadeus1928 (talk) 15:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main description