Talk:Trijicon

message: We are an encyclopaedia, not a news organ. While the christian tract codes are of interest they are not what this corporation does to make money. If some nut wants to put his religion on the side of his killing machine and sell it globally, in the global scheme of things, so what? There have always been zealous nuts.
This section either needs to be edited down substantially or, preferebaly, the remainder of the article should actually be written. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 21:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fiddle Faddle: I only came to this page because of the controversy. --Pawyilee (talk) 07:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I would rather the rest of the article is expanded - company history, sales etc. The controversy is quite notable. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 08:12, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with both of you that the company is notable because of the controversy (my emphasis and paraphrasing) and that the preferable route is to expand the article. The Undue Weight will be corrected once the rest of the article is created in a balanced and neutral manner. Until then it is the one element in the article that anyone notices. And that is wrong. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 10:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Agree with Alan, The controversy section might be a touch long, maybe not, but if the rest of the article were fleshed out more it wouldn't apear as problematic.--Cube lurker (talk) 17:42, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just update my opinion the section has gotten even longer since my first comment.  In particular I'm not sure we need the giant chart to describe the controversy.--Cube lurker (talk) 17:22, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the original table. I think the piece of information that is lacking is which of these products where actually sold the US Military. If Trijicon actually kept a list themselves, we could link there, but they don't. And once there were more than two products mentioned in various news stories, I think the table was better than trying to cram it all into the text. Unfortunately, without the text of the bible verses, I'm not sure that the controversy is properly explained. Would it make sense to have the controversy as its own page?Naraht (talk) 18:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

text: This is a signifcant. It IS having an impact across the world, and specifically about the perception of one of the major events of the 2000s (invasion of Afganistand & Iraq). It has been, and continues, to be widely reported and discussed across the world. For example yesterday's South China Morning Post, published in HK, reported on how a US ally (New Zealand) has reacted very negatively, including right up to the Prime Minister. Whatever your personal views of the invasions this is part of it, and is part of many, many people's view.
The story is being reported around the world from South Africa to Iceland and, notably in Israel and by al Jazeera. Religious groups are incensed by the outrageous linking of Biblical verses with killing devices. So, yes, it is a big deal.
Which brings up an issue of how to handle the statement of U.S. Central Command spokesman, Air Force Maj. John Redfield. He is correctly quoted in our article, but his statement has a staggering number of errors, saying the inclusion of religious messages doesn't violate US law or policy and "there is no effort to distribute the equipment beyond the U.S. troops." In fact, the scopes are in use by foreign troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, and several NATO countries. I left the quotation in (which I'm not sure it should be), but added a footnote that he was mistaken. Maybe someone has a better idea.
--UnicornTapestry (talk) 08:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I do not believe Major Redfield was mistaken. He was implying that the US Military is not distributing these devices to other nations, and therefor the equipment doesn't fall under the current restrictions. While other NATO forces do indeed use, and have purchased, the equipment... the US Army was not involved in the acquisition. I'm not sure, though, about US personnel training Afghan or Iraqi military while providing them with Trijicon equipment... Considering, however, the past direct acquisition by the Iraq and Afghanistan governments for M4s and other rifles, I doubt the US Army is actively supplying any non US military with equipment. If all of the above is true, and I believe it is, then there is no law being violated. The fault lies solely with Trijicon for printing the verses, and perhaps the Pentagon for not noticing it sooner. I'm happy that the company is putting a stop to the practice, and that's all that really matters. --Glenn.xavier (talk) 23:23, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy given undue weight 

message: o " ABC News reported Trijicon was placing references to verses in the Bible in the serial numbers of sights sold to the U.S. Military"
o The photo shows "ACOG4X32JN8:12" which is not a serial number, but the model, and parses out to ACOG Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight 4 times magnification with 32mm lens with reference to John 8:12. 
o Glyn Bindon (1937-2003), the founder of Trijicon in 1981, was devotely religious and believed that protection of freedom and good was a moral imperative based on biblical standards. That included producing the best "precision aiming solutions" for Law Enforcement and Military as an aid in such protection. Trijicon riflescopes and other sighting systems for military/police use (and for hunting and sporting purposes) had included Bible verse cites since 1981. 
o Sacriligious?  Incensive? Outrageous? I guess the fact that some made that value judgement is notable since there are documented sources. If like Bindon one believes that God aided and abetted David in slaying Goliath (1Sam17) because he was chosen or gave victories to Naaman the Syrian (2Kgs5) because he was just, then supplying equipment to forces perceived as fighting for just causes is not sinful.  
o I think the criticism says more about the POV of the critics than it says about Bindon or Trijicon. There is however a growing backlash against people who apparently live to be incensed and to be outraged and to strike politically correct poses before the public rather than do anything positive themselves. And backlash to the news media that pander to fabricated outrage.
--Naaman Brown (talk) 00:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Much Ado

message: Removed the below paragraph to here. Claims on "success" need to be third party, and definitely not referenced to the company website:
:Trijicon based success on optics research for target alignment.  From Trijicon website: " A long search was made to try to combine the speed and non-battery features of the Singlepoint or Armson with the precision of the telescopic system. This discovery was made several years ago. Trijicon has sponsored research in the field of human vision to better understand this generic phenomenon. Although the study concentrated on the Armson O.E.G., some aspects are applicable also to the Bindon Aiming Concept."
Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 18:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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