Talk:Sitar

message: This remainds me of claim that America was discovered by Muslims and Native Americans had islamic names, as being taught in some forign sponsered schools in US.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.61.112.72 (talk) 12:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Persian Origins?

message: It is incorrect to say that the sitar is hindustani, since firstly it was created (whichever account you think is correct) by a muslim in the subcontinent. Secondly there was no Hindustan back then there was the Indian Subcontinent. Thirdly the sitar is as much common in Pakistan as it is in India. So to say that the sitar is a Hindustani classical instrument is as incorrect as to say sufis were a part of the hindustani culture. No changes have been made as yet but i suggest that this is something that needs attention.
The above statement is absurd. It is not controversial to state that the sitar is a part of Hindustani music. Muslim musicians acknowledge this and have always acknowledged it. Furthermore there was indeed a Hindustan "back then". If I play a sitar in the UK and I'm a Jew, then does it make it any less a Hindustani instrument? Absurd. 
--Treeblock 22:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Linking Of Sitar to Hindustani''' 

message: Could anyone make clear which syllable of the Persian word 'setar' means three? If the former 'se' or 'set' does, it is so to speak a false cognate with the Korean adjective 'se' or noun 'ses'. Another one is between the Korean adjective 'du/tu' and Latin 'duo' or English 'two'. --kypark 01:52, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would someone assume a Persian word is a false cognate of a Korean one?
/seh/ is three in Persian, /do/ is two and so the Central Asian instrument, the dotār, means 'two string' in the way se(h)tār meas 'three string'.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.83.159.228 (talk) 21:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Setar 

message: I would like to see a helpful article on intervals in indian music - like the piano tuning article. Sure you can't provide step by step instructions as you have to have some sort of sense of what you are listening too, but I'm sure there is a way to provide better advice than 'learn to sing and then study hard for 10 years'. econnor
To an extent I share the same view but it's inevitable that the more accessible it becomes for people to take up the sitar on their own without a qualified teacher, the more the standard of this classical music form will suffer and be subjected to misappropriations and contortions.
--Treeblock 22:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sitar Tuning 

message: Why does the lead talk almost entirely of popularity in West. There are much more important things to put there. deeptrivia (talk) 04:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Abolutely agreed; the Beatles should just be an incidental. I'll work on that when I find the time. --Lenoxus 22:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, I got around to it after I saw that a bunch of other people had gotten around to it anyway. I would now like to defend my recent action of moving the Beatles bit to the end of "history" by pointing out that no other sitar song or piece is mentioned in the intro except those of the Beatles. Hopefully, that's cool with everyone... --Lenoxus 01:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: I think the The Kinks song See My Friends predates the release of Help! by one week, but I don't know when it was recorded or who played the sitar. Gnosticdogma 04:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Sitar in Popular Music 

message: What happened to the list of sitar players? It seems to have been moved to another page, but following that link just leads one to the wikipedia definition of categories. Searching for "Sitar Players" doesn't yield anything useful either.Rasputin98 14:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Sitar Players 

message: In the tuning section all of the notes names are listen in the Hindi terms. Westerners who are using this page to learn about the sitar for the first time will find this completely useless, and even some who are aware of sitars but who only know music in western terms will find this difficult to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.221.138 (talk • contribs) 
:I agree, I think that there should be something there so that people not familiar with Hindi terms can figure out what they mean. Writing the western notes in scientific notation (like C4, F5) or even in Hz. Jolb 02:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  tuning 

message: I do not think that the picture of a lady holding a "sitar" reflects modern sitars. (ditto to the engraveing)
1: the "sitar" is much to small
2 there is no indicaton of sympathetic strings (no pegs, no holes in the top of the neck, only one brige ect.) While student sitars may not have resinating strings :
3. there are indications of holes in the soundbourd(someting not present in a sitar)
4. the neck is much too thin. (I cannot wrap my hand around one in such a manner)
5. the gourd is not round enough (it is shown as teardrop shaped).
I hope to be able to provide a better open source image soon.  I think that the image is closer to the persan settar.
Thougts? --Hacky 00:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the image in question has been already deleted (fair-use rationale was not adequate since a free alternative can be found), I took the liberty of replacing it with :Image:Setar.jpg, which already on the English Wikipedia as well as in Commons.  Perhaps that could do (at least temporarily)? +A.0u 04:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: picture

message: Did half of this article disappear overnight? A section describing the instrument mechanics is gone, and in its place we have a reference to a video game character. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maxxo (talk • contribs) 01:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: Are the best sitar makers in the world all Westerners?  Anyone else finding this really difficult to believe?  Thats like saying the best guitar makers are all in South Asia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.215.177 (talk) 04:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sitar Makers? 

message: The main article could be improved if it contained information on sitar playing as a trade, and the salaries associated with that trade.  Is playing the sitar more lucrative than guitar playing?198.177.27.13 (talk) 05:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sitar playing and salaries 

message: Hi all, hope everybody's doing fine!
I was reading this Sitar entry and found e reference to Metallica using it in their song "Wherever I may roam". 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wherever_I_May_Roam
When reading the entry about this song, I found out that they used an electrical sitar instead of a traditional one. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_sitar
And then when reading the entry about the electrical sitar I read "An electric sitar is in fact a kind of electric guitar designed to mimic the sound of the traditional Indian instrument, the sitar".
I think this info is appropriate to mention in the sitar entry.
Thanx & best wish
Robin  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.122.30 (talk) 23:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metallica used an electical sitar instead of a traditional one 

message: *Too few references
*famous players not covered
* undue promotion of Rain City Music site
* :File:Sitar parts.jpg: What is the name of this sitar is it? Usually sitars do not the upper gourd. --Redtigerxyz  Talk  14:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reassessment as Start 

message: I am curious as to what the frequency range of a sitar is. Also, I noticed that it was compared to a number of other string instruments (both Western and Indian); but not such western classical instruments as the bass, cello, violin, etc. I am also curious how the frequency range of a sitar compares to the aforementioned western classical instruments. I admit that my theoretical understanding of sound is a bit weak and that my knowledge of musical instruments minimal, so the question which I just asked may seem a bit "stupid" to those more knowledgeable; nonetheless I would appreciate a response. Thank You.JeepAssembler (talk) 20:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performance Range? 

message: At the end of the first section is the following paragraph:
::It is redefined that pioneer of Sitar was NOT the famouse Persian poet Amir Khusro, but Khusro Khan, younger brother of Mian Tansen.(Ref: Research thesis by Dr. Rekha Nigam on the History of Sitar)
This makes only vague sense. I'm guessing that the writer meant
::It has been established that the pioneer of Sitar was NOT the famouse Persian poet Amir Khusro, but rather Khusro Khan, the younger brother of Mian Tansen.[reference must be corrected]
Is this correct? If so, would someone fix this? --Dan Griscom (talk) 13:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "It is redefined"? 

message: 35 years ago when I played the sitar, we spelled it 'meend.' Meend translates into Italian as glissando, into English as sliding or gliding. Yes it does allow microtonal adjustments, but its real beauty and purpose is to imitate the 'sliding' vocal ornamentations of Indian, and especially, Hindustani music. Will someone with access to authoritative sources please include this in the article? Thanks!
What's Afghanistan doing here? Something to do with Afghan involvement in Muslim rule of India? I've got more than enough respect for Afghanistan and its people, but there's no direct link between Afghanistan and the creation and development of the sitar. I advocate removing Afghanistan fr/ this page and will do it, if there's no objection.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tapered (talk • contribs) 19:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Meand/Meend/Aghanistan??

message: The "Mechanics" section was evidently copied and pasted from another website, complete with references to non-existent images (see this edit). I'm a little surprised no one noticed this earlier: as written, it runs afoul of WP:MOS, WP:YOU etc. (and again, makes reference to inline images that aren't on Wikipedia). Anyway, I've removed the text and replaced it with the previous version of that section. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 20:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. The page needs a total rewrite. Hekerui (talk) 20:12, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mechanics copypaste 

message: Re: "the sitar became known in the western world through the work of Pandit Ravi Shankar beginning in the late 1950s, particularly after George Harrison of The Beatles took lessons from Shankar and Shambhu Das[1] and played sitar in songs including "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)". Shortly after, The Rolling Stones used a sitar in "Paint It Black" and a brief fad began for using the instrument in pop songs."
The section of the above I've emphasized (by rendering it without italics) is a bit misleading. Harrison actually recorded "Norwegian Wood" before he'd even met Shankar. I think the solution is to be less specific. We could say, "the sitar became known in the western world through the work of Pandit Ravi Shankar beginning in the late 1950s, and more widely known still after it became fashionable in pop music in the sixties with its espousal by the Beatles and other groups." TheScotch (talk) 06:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Harrison 

message: What are the strings made of? FatBear1 (talk) 16:47, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  String materials 

message: Firstly, I am by no means even close to familiar with this instrument, so I can't verify any of my info. However, claiming the Setar (not sitar) as a "very soothing instrument" seems extremely un-encyclopedic (one might as well write on the page on grapes "They're considered very tasty").
My second edit was to re-add the history section. Again, I cannot verify that any of this information is accurate, but simply blanking the section does not seem like a reasonable solution. Also, the edits were done by an IP (I realize the hypocrisy in that statement, yes). 2601:4A:C000:2CB0:7487:E481:5D52:59FB (talk) 04:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology and History Cleanup 

message: The English version of this page has been edited poorly, including broken, poorly-translated sentences and typos. The edits appear to be targeted around the topic of the Sitar's historical origins. 92.40.179.16 (talk) 05:36, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, it's probably better if the version before the vandalism occurred is just reverted to; reading that version vs. the current one, it's much more encyclopedic than what we have now. No other edits of substance were made after then, anyway. 68.99.131.155 (talk) 00:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent poor edits, requires fix. 

message: Sitar clasdification 2001:4450:812F:900:EC98:7906:41AD:CA91 (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tle