Talk:David Trosch

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message: Fair enough, that's quite a lot of warning labels added. Alas, AFAIK, they are due. Though short as the present article is, it is a clutter of unverified claims concerning a living person.
Take e.g.:
* Father David C. Trosch is still a Catholic priest as listed in the recently (Nov. 2008) published The Official Catholic Directory Anno Domini 2008, p. 2036. ().
* Is he "famous for publicly advocating the murder of abortion providers" -- or anyone else -- "in the name of Catholicism" -- or for any other reason? This is highly unplausible -- at least.
:Fair enough, his drawing subtitled "Justifiable Homicide versus Legalized Homicide" may be rather confronting, even shocking indeed. Then again, as it turns out, Father Trosch has got high esteem of God’s Commandment. And murder -- whatever murder -- is against God's Commandment. Do the math.
:As far as I understand, the most shocking part of the question is dealing with the Legalized Homicide. The -- legalised -- killing of zillions of innocent children in the womb, that is. We do not want to know this, do we? We are shocked. And prefer and shoot the messenger -- the latter being Father Trosch. Slander him!
* "He currently vehemently opposes the film Juno (film) and believes it ought to be banned." Does he? No suitable citation is provided. Worse yet. Checking all of Father Trosch's website www.trosch.org for the text string "juno" by Google Search delivers but one single hit:
:Género de Humanum en la Francmasonería - Encíclica por Papa Leo ...
:containing the phrase:
::"La constitución Misericors Dei Filius (el 23 de juno de 1883) expresa recordó que el descuido en el que las virtudes cristianas se tienen es la causa ..."
:That's not the "Juno" we were looking for, is it?
* "Trosch is a sedevacantist" No, he isn't. quite to the contrary, as he clearly states and explains.
:Even though there may be most serious problems in re the pope morally being ordained -- and AFAIU, as per Fr. Trosch there are -- nevertheless, Fr. Trosch expresses no daubt -- quite to the contrary -- about the Pope legally occupying the Chair of Peter, hence the Chair of Peter not being vacant at all.
:Cf. Respect is due the office of pope, but not always due the person filling the office.
;Concluding
The lot of the allegations about Fr. Trosch turn out to be unverified and gratuituous, worse yet: can be proven false (and verified as such).
That's why I added a whole bunch of flags. I think they are due.
Future editors might benefit from and make reference to (i.a.):
* About Father Trosch, a Roman Catholic priest
* LEU Statement
Alas, as it turns out that Fr. Trosch himself (user:Father35) has tried and explain his opinion twice in the article, and both times the explanation was wiped, "'cause of its bias". Maybe, there was some bias indeed. Nevertheless, user:Father35 pointed at and explained plain fact, too. Did anybody try and use that (most useful) information? It turns out not. Resulting in the present article, consisting of a bunch of imagery, while not dealing with facts at all (unless they turn out to be wrong).
Remember: all articles must be neutral, verifiable, encyclopedic, and free of original research.
Please, try and stick with checkable fact.
-- Bartvs (talk) 16:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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