Talk:Soča

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was Move.  Markussep Talk 10:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I'm not happy with this move to "Soča-Isonzo River". Nobody calls this river Soča-Isonzo, it's Soča in Slovenian, and Isonzo in Italian. It probably has another name in Friulian, another important language of the region. I propose a move to either Isonzo or Soča. Take a look at how other language wikipedias and paper encyclopedias treat these cases, it's usually Isonzo, except (of course) in the Slovenian wikipedia. The name to use in other article should depend on the context: Gorizia lies on the Isonzo, Nova Gorica on the Soča. Related to this: let's get rid of all these double names in South Tyrol! Markussep 11:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Friulians call it Lusinç. I agree that the name is inexistant, it is almost a political construction. The river streams for almost 100 km in Slovenia, for a bit more than 40km on Italian territory. I move it therefor to Soča, with a redirect from Isonzo. Besednjak 13:41, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What matters is not where it flows, but what it's usually called in English. Zocky | picture popups 00:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is messy. I am particularly unhappy with the use of word 'Fiume' in the title, it's inappropriate for the title of an article to use a foreign language common noun that won't be found in an English language dictionary (and is not readily understood by English language speakers without knowledge of a romance language). I will move to Isonzo - Soča River. Nick Fraser 15:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

text: From Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rivers: 
Some rivers have names with multiple spellings which vary with the different countries the rivers pass through.  (An example would be the Cunene River in Angola, which is known as the Kunene River in Namibia.  Occasionally, a river can have several genuinely distinct names.  For example, the Cuando River not only has the variant spelling Kwando, it's also called the Linyanti and the Chobe.  The following rules are suggested for choosing a primary name for such a river:
*If the river is particularly famous under one name, then choose that name.
*If the section of the river that uses a particular name is much longer than other sections, then use that as the name.
*If everything else is equal, then choose the name for the section of the river closest to the river's mouth, since generally that is where the river is widest.
I wouldn't know which name is most used in English, maybe Isonzo because of the WW1 battle. If Isonzo and Soča are both used in English, the second rule applies (Soča then). But well, anything is better than Soča-Isonzo. Markussep 10:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Older move discussions

message: :::From Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rivers: 
Some rivers have names with multiple spellings which vary with the different countries the rivers pass through.  (An example would be the Cunene River in Angola, which is known as the Kunene River in Namibia.  Occasionally, a river can have several genuinely distinct names.  For example, the Cuando River not only has the variant spelling Kwando, it's also called the Linyanti and the Chobe.  The following rules are suggested for choosing a primary name for such a river:
*If the river is particularly famous under one name, then choose that name.
*If the section of the river that uses a particular name is much longer than other sections, then use that as the name.
*If everything else is equal, then choose the name for the section of the river closest to the river's mouth, since generally that is where the river is widest.
I wouldn't know which name is most used in English, maybe Isonzo because of the WW1 battle. If Isonzo and Soča are both used in English, the second rule applies (Soča then). But well, anything is better than Soča-Isonzo. Markussep 10:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Rivers with multiple names'' 

message: Isonzo means a lot to Italians: we fought battle after battle here in WWI to help the allies fighting on the western front. A tremendous number of soldiers were sent to die here. With all due respect to Slovenia, I think Italian history was written here in blood. The name should be Isonzo-Soca. The anglo-saxon world seems to have no problem labeling sites in the world in English but a river that crosses two nations, that touches Caporetto Kobarid, Monte Nero, etc that means hundreds of thousand of dead Italians and Austorungarian soldiers, this river deserves two names, Isonzo-Soca river. What is the problem? Totally against looking for Isonzo and finding Soca only: the reasons are really anti-Italian at best.
User :Giovanni De PEtris 28 of january 2010--129.176.151.10 (talk) 22:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think your remark about anti-Italian reasons does justice to the discussion above. People who look for Isonzo will find this river article, in which the name "Isonzo" is prominently mentioned. And they will find articles about the battles of the Isonzo. It is common practice in Wikipedia not to use double names like you suggest. The choice between Isonzo and Soča was made based on objective criteria: English usage shows no clear preference for either name, and the scetion of the river in Slovene speaking area is longer than that in Italian speaking area. If you can establish that Isonzo is clearly more used in English than Soča, that would be a good basis for a new move discussion. You can start a move discussion by following the procedure at WP:RM. Markussep Talk 10:46, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

text: As someone with a long history of rafting on and hiking around this river (although I am not Slovenian or Italian), I can confirm that it is almost always called Soča in English. I would dare say that you would rarely if ever find an English travel book using any other name but Soča for this river. The current name of the article should remain. PS: Calling the river "Soča" has absolutely nothing to do with any anti-Italian sentiments. Most English speakers are probably ignorant of the battles near this river. --Thorwald (talk) 00:55, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Rename the page with the Italian name "Isonzo" because the river is in Italy. 93.66.150.115 (talk) 21:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the river in Slovenia. This is why it's generally known in English as the "Soča" (except in historical contexts). --213.161.2.114 (talk) 22:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename page to "Isonzo" 

message: much has happened in the past 14 years and I think isonzo is far more recognized in an English crowd. Matteow101 (talk) 18:30, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need to change to Isonzo