Talk:Zuccotti Park

message: please change:
In September 2011, an anti-corporate and anti-big bank protest in the Financial District, organized on social media, used Zuccotti Park as a campground and staging area for their actions
to read:
In September 2011, an anti-corporate and anti-big bank protest in the Financial District, organized on social media, using Zuccotti Park as a campground and staging area for their actions
because:
'used' implies that this protest has ended (it hasn't), 'using' does not send this same message.
Greenthumbnails (talk) 22:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your suggested edit is grammatically incorrect. The edit should not be made, as the tense ("using") is unencyclopedic -- we are not a newspaper, and we are not here to "send a message". Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:02, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Not done:  is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. Note: The article was protected at the time of the request, it only expired half an hour ago. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 22:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Greenthumbnails, 22 September 2011 

message: I'm not going to edit the article myself to reflect this, as I, shamefully in spite of my edit count, don't really remember to add the edit tag, but varying degrees of reliability of source for the informal (so no article moves) name change back to LPP: Muncie Free Press, NYT City Room, …I thought I had more but apparently that's all for now. Can someone give a second look-over and change the article if necessary? Thanks. Abeg92contribs 14:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The NYT cite is reliable, and I have added the information it supports to the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:19, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for renaming 

message: The park existed before Occupy Wall Street and will exist afterwards.  If you want to add something encyclopedic and not newsy to the Zuccotti Park article, use this as a mental test -- would this addition to this article make sense if OWS never took place here? patsw (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A suggestion for editors of "Zuccotti Park" 

message: There are several plaza areas in New York City.  The most famous of which is probably Rockefeller Center.  These are areas of unroofed, unfenced private property where barriers are erected every year for one day to assert their private ownership.  Even the vast plaza at the World Trade Center which was/is owned by a public authority managing it private property did this once a year ritual.  This also allows the owners to define some rules of conduct for the public.  Violation of these rules would be trespassing, and if you didn't leave upon request you would be subject to arrest.
Is the situation at Zuccotti unique?  Namely that public access to it 24x7x365 is so unrestricted such that behavior, if done in a city, state, or federal park, or sidewalk would be an arrestable offense, but Zuccotti is uniquely in New York City its own private island of anarchy?  I mention this to encourage others to research this as I am now. patsw (talk) 02:30, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  How unique is the status of Zuccotti Park as public/private space? 

message: An editor is atempting to insert into the article an extensive account of the clash between police and protestors who tried to re-occupy the part, in violation of WP:UNDUE and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER.  Since the primary source is a blog, WP:SPS was also violated.  I reduced this to a one-line account sourced by a reliable source (the website of a local TV station), but the editor reverted. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:42, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored it to the original state because the original edit provided the details of what happened. WP:Undue was not violated because it did not express one side of the situation. It is fair-balanced and provides what happened that night. Saying "Clash between police" does not specify what exactly was significant about the re-occupation. I ask you to keep it the way it is. It short and provides a unique history of Zuccotti park. To those who complaining about occupy being part of the Zuccotti park article, it was added because it is important to the park's history and usage. Thanks, Alex (Alexf505 (talk) 01:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It violates WP:UNDUE because it gives undue weight to the event, which gets as much space as the rest of the occupation.  It violates WP:SPS because blogs are not reliable sources.  It violates WP:NOTNEWSPAPER because we are an encyclopedia, giving overviews, not a newspaper giving daily details about events. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempted re-occupation of the park

message: May I add a suggestion to resolve the occupation frustrations. I suggest that it be split into its own article. I will move it if you all okay with it. (Alexf505 (talk) 01:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  There is already an article on Occupy Wall Street, and this small event does not merit its own article, per WP:ONETIME.  In any case, it would still violate WP:SPS and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:55, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

text: No, people are complaining when the material on Occupy Wall Street in relation to the park takes up more space than general material about the park -- that's what WP:UNDUE is about. The balance at this moment is OK, but we don't need a blow-by-blow of every Occupy-related event. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:50, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperate Article for Occupation