Talk:Alleged doubles of Adolf Hitler

message: Erm, are we certain that photo is Weler?  I thought that officially it hadn't been retracted? Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 07:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Article is to 99% an completely unproven rumor without any serious sources - should be deleted instantly, before someone starts believing this nonsense. Weler was caught alive and interrogated after the war by the Allies, see e.g. "The Murder of Adolf Hitler: The Truth About the Bodies in the Berlin Bunker" by W. Hugh Thomas, . --Wittkowsky 21:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: According to a cable tv program, the dead Weler was wearing worn socks with holes in them.  Presumably the dictator could afford to wear new socks.
It wasn't Weler. Weler was located and interviewed by the Allies in 1945. The photograph depicts a second Hitler double, name unknown. Garrick92 13:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socks 

message: This news article mentions this double. You need a subscription to look at the whole article, though.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20615FB3F5F1B7B93CBA9178ED85F418485F9
Greets 666sabbath666 02:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cook double" 

message: I was just looking up this theory today. The same person being referred to as Gustav Weler was also given name spellings of "Gustav Weber" and "Gustav Weder". So should perhaps be redirect pages for those names leading here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metasailor (talk • contribs) 16:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: I doubt this would be very controversial because of the limited attention this article receives, but floating the idea here first anyways. I think the article should be retitled to Alleged doubles of Adolf Hitler, for these primary reasons:
# There are multiple alleged doubles. The only thing different about "Weler" is that footage exists of him, though it is sourced from the dubious Soviet archives.
# The name is conjectural. The renamed article would still focus on "Weler", but without implying that's his name. It's a name with no verifiability, again sourced only to the Soviet archives.
: — UpdateNerd (talk) 04:26, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: I recently changed the clunky wording:
to:
Because Gustav Weler was a person, not a body. 
The article body, which the lede is supposed to summarise, says, with a citation, "Footage of the body double identified as Gustav Weler was presented as Hitler's corpse in a post-war documentary". 
User:UpdateNerd reverted me with the edit summary:
Since I made no change to the wording "toothbrush moustache-wearing ", and there is no mention of a prop, that made no sense, so I reverted with an edit summary to that effect..
I have now been reverted a second time, with the edit summary:
Firstly BRD is not mandatory and UpdateNerd is presumably as capable of starting a talk page discussion as I am. BRD says ;  and (emboldening in original) .
More significantly, I made no assertion - much less one with OR - about what Weler did while alive. It is the reference "a prop if this was made (apparently) as propaganda" which seems to be OR.
The suboptimal "a toothbrush moustache-wearing body identified as Gustav Weler" still needs to be rewritten. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a rather long beginning to what seems to be a simple discussion for someone familiar with sources. I don't assert that a prop was usef, but the film was definitely used as propaganda. We can copyedit for a better sentence wording or whatever, but please don't make it sound like Gustav Weler was an actual person walking around with a toothbrush moustache. There is no evidence at all supporting that notion. Weler is a name that was thrown onto a can of film by the Soviets, who are specifically anf incredibly unreliable on these matters surrounding Hitler's death. Thank you. UpdateNerd (talk) 01:25, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gustav Weler in lede