Talk:Denmark/Archive 1

message: Are you able to translate the Danish text of te article on Janteloven into English, please? See my request at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Jante_Law
Agendum 00:39, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The additional information in the Danish article has already been deleted once, but was apparently added back.  The reference to Jesus (quoting the bible) is far-fetched in my opinion (so I'm not going to translate it) - but I haven't read Sandemose's book nor the bible... - Kåre Thor Olsen (Kaare) 20:08, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Janteloven

message: (Mon May 31, 2004). Sky, why did you remove the messages boxes about Denmark being among monachies, and being member of the Nordic Council? - I'm talking about this change: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Denmark&diff=0&oldid=3789741 --TroelsArvin
:Hmm, maybe he/she did it due to some consensus among the WikiProject Countries members? (warning: long discussion, but essential). I also notice that there's a new 'category' feature popping up in many countries' articles; perhaps this is meant to replace msg boxes? Just guessing here. --Wernher 20:42, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO, Nordic Council can stay. It was there before all this MediaWiki boxes crazyness came about. I'm thinking that monarchies should go to Politics of Denmark, NATO should go to Military of Denmark, etc. Feel free (to anyone) to comment at WikiProject Countries, BTW. --Jiang 21:39, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I will take part in further discussion on this matter in WikiProject Countries' Talk page. I agree on the theme-based placement of boxes as outlined. But I think a monarchy *category* marker could be placed in the top right(?) of the main article of the monarchial countries. --Wernher 17:54, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: see :Category:Monarchies (so far only Andorra included, as a test). The MediaWiki box is now placed in the category page instead. --Wernher 20:29, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Msg boxes rm'd

message: This article says that Denmark is smaller than more than 100 countries, but List of countries by area says that it is a lot larger. Any comments?? 66.32.242.106 00:02, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The list (as you may have noticed) includes Greenland and the Faroe Islands, both of which are home ruling territories of the Kingdom of Denmark.  This article, however, leaves the description of Greenland and the Faroe Islands to their respective articles.  Usually when you say Denmark, you don't also mean Greenland and Faroe Islands, who in several ways are independant countries and dislike being thought of as mere remote parts of Denmark. - Kaare 00:39, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denmark's area 

message: It seems a bit strange to me that we have both a "Miscellaneous topics" section and a "See also" section. The two don't seem to differ much. Would anyone oppose to a fusion of the two, and an alphabetization of the items in the fused section?
By the way: I would like to add ISO 3166's two-/three-letter code and numeric code, the Danish language code, Denmark's international licence plade code, perhaps the International Telecommunication Union letter code for Denmark, etc. I  thought this could be put in a little table somewhere on the page. Any thoughts on this?
TroelsArvin 09:57, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Page organization

message: Some anonymous editor (138.217.68.91) has added a stub atticle about a writer called Robert Lacy and added him to the list of well known Danes (the Culture section). Allegedly, Robert Lacy lives in Odense. I cannot find any evidence of a such a writer, neither in the White Pages, in the databases of Danish libraries, nor in Amazon. I'll remove the link (and ask for removal of the "Robert Lacy" page) if noone confirms the existence of "Robert Lacy" (with relevant proof of existence, like a reference to a publisher having published his work) soon. TroelsArvin 08:22, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard of him, and I don't get any google hits for "Robert Lacy" "portraiture prize" and only one bad hit for "Robert Lacy" "Fish in a Barrel". I added the article to vfd. Thue | talk 11:37, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Robert Lacy" 

message: Can anyone add a section about the administrative regions of this country? Everton 11:05, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administrative regions 

message: I purpose a large cut in “other well known danes” (under culture). I actually had to say “who?” to some of them. Red links in “well known danes”, are you kidding me? OUTTTTT
This is not a list of Danes, there is a perfect good list right here List of Danes where you can add all you want.
Nobel Prize does not automatically make you a well-known Dane nor does being a superstar in whatever job (ballet master???? Huh? Most Danes could not even mention ONE on instant demand and here you got a whole horde in the list???)
The best thing would be if someone from another nation did the cleaning up. He or she would know much better who is actually "well known" Danes. Twthmoses 13:35, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Reducted of this over-inflated list today. Moved all others to List of Danes. Twthmoses 08:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other well known danes

message: Please see Talk:Flag of Denmark#What is going on with the Danish flag??? Twthmoses 04:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What is going on with the Danish flag???

message: This seems to be a poor section to have in the 'denmark' article. maybe an introduction can be written but this terrible list can be sent to culture of denmark? Where are people like Mads ØVLISEN, Chairman of the Board Novo Nordisk A/S, Lego A/S and the Danish Royal Theatre? Thomas1917 22:09, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done a little cleanup on the famous Danes list, but I agree that it doesn't really fit in the Denmark article at the moment. We need a summary of culture in Denmark, so it doesn't stand out like it does now. Hestemand 14:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture 

message: Article refers to Hamlet being Shakespeare's greatest play; this statement is at best highly contentious
:Ignore my earlier comment on your talk page, but followup: I don't think the npov tag is needed. Why not attempt to modify that passage as you see fit? Npov refers to when there is opposition, but since nothing happned yet... Thanks again. El_C 04:28, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hamlet 

message: Denmark has actually got two coats of arms, a small and a large one. The one showed in the article is the small one. Should'nt we show both? Thrane 17:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Denmark has one coat of arms (the three lions). The other coat of arms was often referred to as the "Great" coat of arms (similar to the Swedish system). Since around 1960, the latter has been reserved for the royal family, so since then, Denmark has just a single coat of arms. --Valentinian 03:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms 

message: Just a question from a generalist surfer:  How do these statements resolve?
"Denmark is the oldest monarchy in the world."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark (under the Politics section)
"...the Chrysanthemum Throne is the oldest continuing monarchy in the world"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysanthemum_Throne
Further reading shows:
"Denmark is a constitutional monarchy with an almost unbroken link of monarchs for more than 1,000 years (except for an interregnum of eight years from 1332 to 1340)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Denmark
"With historical assurance the record is back to Emperor Ōjin who supposedly reigned in the early 5th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysanthemum_Throne
: Denmark's royal family can be traced back to Harthacnut of Denmark in the tenth century. The point is that in a European context, it is rather unusual for the same family to rule for more than 1,100 years. The list of Danish legendary kings extend back far longer, see List of dubious Danish kings or da:Sagnkonger (the better of the two). The safe conclusion might be that Denmark is the world's oldest kingdom and Japan the oldest empire :) --Valentinian 00:05, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denmark is the oldest monarchy in the world? 

message: The Foreign Ministry may have made what they think is a fine reference to, among other things, the constitution. But they've got it wrong in the translation. The constitution states clearly: § 3. Legislative authority shall be vested in the King and the Folketing conjointly.
Executive authority shall be vested in the King.
Judicial authority shall be vested in the courts of justice.
And in § 12: Subject to the limitations laid down in this Constitutional Act, the King shall have supreme authority in all the affairs of the Realm, and shall exercise such supreme authority through the Ministers.§ 12 is where the monarchy becomes constitutional. 
Thus, the separation of powers, which most democracies pride themselves of, is also enacted in the Danish constitution. Page corrected to that effect.Roidhun 07:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danish Constitution 

message: This page keeps improving, but just for the inspiration, try checking the pages on Romania and France. I found both rather impressive, and there's probably many more good examples. Valentinian (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspiration 

message: Is there an extra "was" here?
: "The old border of Norway was to the north was Finmark." Maurreen 16:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Håbet 09:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymylogy

message: 1. The opening table shows this text: "()". It was intended to tell the system where to put the population rank, but my attempt to fix it made it worse, so I left it alone.
2. In the first paragraph, "between 54°33′31″N, 57°44′55″N and 8°4′36″E, 15°11′59″E " contains two malfunctioning links. Click them and they say "Error, out of range".
3. Near the end of the article, what does this mean: "Statistics Denmark Click on "Key-figures-Population and elections"Click"+"Click the table HISB3(English language)"? After I found the tiny British flag for the English language version, I found "Population and elections", but I didn't find "Key-figures" or "HISB3", and what is "Click"+"Click the table? Double click the table? What table? Art LaPella 22:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully these problems are fixed now. Hemmingsen 16:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Thank you. Art LaPella 18:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 3 problems I couldn't fix

message: Is this information in the "Government" section needed?
:"Denmark practices universal suffrage. By Danish law, women are considered equal to men (except that they are not drafted, but they may volunteer to join the military)." Maurreen 17:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, perhaps a bit redundant for describing a Western Democratic country, I mean they've all got niversal suffrage -- Snailwalker | talk 15:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I thought; I'll delete it. Maurreen 17:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Women

message: Deleted reference #8 due to linkrot.  Tried to find another online reference for the information, but my attempts were unsuccessful.PDXblazers 05:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Linkrot

message: Should there be something in this article about the folkehøjskole movement and its founder N.F.S. Grundtvig? It is described on another website as "the single most original contribution that Denmark has made to international thinking about popular education" - it doesn't seem to be covered in the general education sub-category. Just a thought. --Agendum 23:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folkehøjskoler 

message: Frederiksberg and Glostrup is in Copenhagen county(Amt) to. Copenhagen capital is also Copenhagen county so that should be deleted.
I dont know how to edit the map, so i haven´t changed it.
:Tag og kontrollér dine oplysninger igen. Københavns, Frederiksberg og Bornholms kommuner varetager amtsopgaver, og er derfor ikke del af noget amt.
:(in English: I suggest you check your sources again. Copenhagen City, Frederiksberg and Bornholm are municipalities also fulfilling the tasks of counties. They are *not* part of any county.) Valentinian (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We've fixed this one. See: Talk:Counties of Denmark --Valentinian (talk) 13:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counties of Denmark is wrong 

message: I think that the final paragraph in the education section needs serious revision.  I personally think it's unnessecary, unless reformated and cited.  
"The normal school in Denmark is "den Danske Folkeskole" or "the Danish Publicschool". It goes from 0-10 grade. In Denmark you can also go to "Friskole" or freeschool, the freeschools are not under the state. An exampel is "Rudolf Steiner Skolerne" or "Waldof Schools". The most speciel kind of schools in Denmark is "Efterskole", it's aint a Boarding school but it's reminds  of. If you translate directly from danish it becomes Afterschool, Efter = After, Skole = School. 
The "afterschools" goes from 8-10 class, and everybody lives at the school. One of the big difference between a boarding school and an "afterschool" is the freedom, you have (mostly) more freedom at an afterschool. What to read more about afterschools check www.efterskole.dk
There's also "højskoler" in Denmark, if you transelate the word "højskole" it become "highschool", but it isn't a highschool as the english highschools.
It's a 4-6 or 10 months course. It can be a language school, a sport school and a lot of other things."
I have made an edit for the spelling and grammar, but I wanted to see if anyone agrees with me about a major revision.
--Benjamin 09:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education 

message: What is that fake Viking Boat in the harbour of (Swedish Capital!) Stockholm doing in the section on Danish History? It is a steel construction with some weird ornaments welded on back & front, screaming fake from a mile away. It is not seaworthy at all, unsuitable for the unruliness of the nearby Baltic Sea (not to mention the North Sea and the Atlantic.)
Any suggestion for a replacement? MX44 08:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As evident on the page, I've put up The Jelling Stones. It is a bit dark, but shows both stoens as well as one of the mounds. I think the Jelling Stones seem a natural subject to illustrate at that point of time in the article.Poulsen 12:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake "Viking Boat" 

message: The map for this country has recently been changed to a format which is not standard for Wikipedia. Each and every other country identifies that country alone on a contintental or global map; none of them highlight other members of relevant regional blocs or other states which which that country has political or constitutional links. The EU is no different in this respect unless and until it becomes a formal state and replaces all other states which are presently members; the progress and constitutional status of the EU can be properly debated and identified on the page for that organisation; to include other members of the EU on the infobox map for this country is both non-standard and potentially POV.
Please support me in maitaining Denmark's proper map (in Wikipedia standard) until we here have debated and agreed this issue? Who is for changing the map and who against? The onus is on those who would seek to digress from Wiki standard to show why a non-standard and potentially POV map should be used. Denmark deserves no less! JamesAVD 15:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not discuss here, but at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries so a uniform decision can be reached. Kusma (討論) 15:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-standard and potentially POV map should be reverted 

message: "Denmark a constitutional monarchy in 1849 after having been an absolutist state since 1660"
Hello, can you please correct it:)? Thanks!20:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  this sentence is wrong 

message: Hey guys. Can you head over to Talk:Roskilde and help resolve the conflict? Thanks! --OrbitOne  [Talk|Babel] 23:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help in Roskilde 

message: This article states: "However, an increasingly larger part of the labor force choose not to become members of a trade union or to become members of one of the trade unions outside the organised system..."
I've lived in Denmark for many years and I see no evidence of this. Unions remain highly popular in Denmark. Too often, Wikipedia articles seem to be written by right-wingers who are hostile to unions, worker's rights, progressive politics, etc. and as a result Wikipedia is smothered with unsourced comments like the above that have no basis in reality.
:Well the LO has seen a decline in its membership in the last decade, but overall union membership is up. Makgraf 06:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article has inaccurate information about unions 

message: Laleena has proposed the creation of a WikiProject on Denmark at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Denmark. If you would be interested in joining such a project, please add your name there so it can be known if there is sufficient interest in such a project to start one. Thank you. Badbilltucker 20:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed project 

message: I tagged the section about Denmark's international rankings as it is quite listy and not flowing prose. I'm not sure if we should include it at all? Snailwalker | talk 19:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup of list of international rankings 

message: If you read through the etymology section, you will find that is not very well written and completely without sources. The whole section is on top of that only speculation with words like "uncertain", "interpretations" and "seems". I propose that we get rid of this section. Remember that Wikipedia should be based on verifiable information. --Maitch 21:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Support removal. I doubt that the current paragraph can be fixed. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 20:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete the etymology section 

message: We need that on this article. --Arigato1 13:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flora and fauna 

message: Denmark has been add to the new :Category:Germanic culture by an editor. Please discuss this to ascertain whether this is appropriate or not - and act accordingly.-- Zleitzen(talk) 13:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This has already been reverted, and the article should stay that way. This article is about a country, not a culture, and Danish culture has a lot more in common with the culture of the other Nordic nations than it has with the culture of Bavaria or Saxony. I don't see a relevance for including the article under  either.  Valentinian T /  C 15:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

text: How do you catergorizing what is Germanic culture? Why include Denmark without including England, Norway, Iceland, Sweden etc. Germany and Holland and England (witch also has same West Germanic language in common, has more culture in common than Germany and Denmark. I think that all Germanic speaking countries including Finland (since they have a germanic culture) should belong in that category. --Arigato1 20:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Germanic culture]]

message: I've created this page with the hopes that others will come and expand it. Please do this. --Hojimachongtalk 07:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[March 2007 Denmark Riots]] 

message: je cherche des information sur les belle place a visiter au danemark stp aidez moi
*Try VisitDenmark.com. Poulsen 16:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tourist information

message: Regarding these lines "but the number of people in the top income tax bracket still grows. This of cause is also true for the number of people in the lowest income tax bracket."
While the growth in the number of people in the top income tax bracket (I assume it's referring to people paying the Top incom tax) can be explained with a general increase in wages, it would be nice with some citations. 
Similarly the growth in the lowest bracket can be attributed to the tax break of 2003, where the limit for when the Mellemskat would apply was raised with approx. 20000 dkr/year (ie. many people who used to belong to the middle Melllemskat tax bracket suddenly found themselves in the bottom Bundskat bracket), meaning people got a tax break. The wording make it sound like a bad thing.Teral 12:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations/rewording needed for Economy section?

message: I have to argue with the following quote from the current text: "Denmark is regarded as a Scandinavian country, although it is not located on the Scandinavian Peninsula." This is not entirely true. The island of Bornholm lies in the very same granite bassin as much of Sweden to the north of it. In that regard the island of Bornholm is very different from the topography of the rest of Denmark. --Philaweb 23:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No arguing about the geography. The reason I wrote the way I did is that some people find this situation a bit confusing. A second reason why Denmark is a Scandinavian country is that quite a large chunk of Denmark was located on the Scandinavian peninsula until 1658. If you have a better phrase in mind, please edit away. Valentinian T / C 23:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Norway was in union by Denmark to 1813. The Scandinavian spoken languages is only dialects.--Håbet 23:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Valentinian you keep talking about Scandinavia as it has to be on the Scandinavian peninsula. In the etymology it says the orgin of Scandinavia either was Skåne(Scania). Or the Danish islands with (possible plus Skåne). --Comanche cph 17:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The Scandinavian peninsula is so named because it is part of Scandinavia, not because it defines Scandinavia. Scandinavia was defined around 1850 as a political entity, not a geographic one. Carewolf 12:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Denmark is Scandinavia 

message: Could we please get a lead image on which Denmark is not just a dot on the European continent. --Maitch 15:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think such a move would be popular since the dust seems to have finally settled with the entire European material now using the same type of map. Denmark is hard to spot for the untrained eye, I agree, but it is somewhat late to get to the root of this problem (cf. 1658, 1814, and 1864). On the other hand, it is even harder to spot Luxembourg, Andorra, Montenegro, Malta, Monaco and a few others, so we probably shouldn't complain. :) Making more changes to these maps will just reopen something rather messy. My advice would be to stay clear of this one. Valentinian T / C 15:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead image

message: I find the use of English exonyms for even the most obscure places within the geography of Denmark (like Eastern Skerry) completely silly. As a native Dane, I have never heard of a place like Østerskær and would probably have to ask more than once to the meaning of a sentence if someone were to mention Eastern Skerry in a conversation. Can anyone explain to me the obvious advantages of using English exonyms for obscure places in Denmark? Furthermore, why is the use of exonyms without coherence? Would love to nitpick if possible... --Philaweb 20:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Google only had Wikipedia mirrors for "Eastern Skerry" and I've never heard the "translated" name before. Removed. It might be relevant to include in an actual article about this skerry, if we ever get one. Valentinian T / C 21:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography and English exonyms 

message: You're invited to discuss a new series of vector maps to replace those currently used in Country infoboxes: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#New European vector maps. Thanks/wangi 13:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New European vector maps