Talk:Gorilla/Archive 1

message: Wow, there is a species on Earth called gorilla gorilla gorilla. That is darn cool. I want one as a pet. And yes, this is deffo helping the cause of Wikipeida. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewayforward (talk • contribs) 16:22, 15 February 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 gorillas!! 

message: someone ought to add conservation status (enandgered i believe) in the taxobox. oops 63.172.168.157 22:52, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See the individual subspecies articles for conservation status. They aren't all the same: 3 are endangered, one  (the Cross River Gorilla) is critically endangered. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: conservation status

message: While watching a show on Bigfoot, a comment was made the other great ape species, such as the Gorilla, had not been known for a long time, but were recently discovered. The impression was that this discovery was during the early 20th century. Is this so?
Jhugart 22:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, since the scientific name was assigned in the mid 19th Century, it's fair to say that it was known at least that long. I have a PDF on my work computer detailing the history of the gorilla to some extent, so I'll post something more informative on Monday. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Here we go: Colin S. Grove (2002). "A history of gorilla taxonomy". In Andrea B. Taylor & Michele L. Goldsmith (editors), Gorilla Biology: A Multidisciplinary Perspective, Cambridge University Press, 2002, pp. 15–34. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discovery date? 

message: For me anyway, the first line in the section "gorilla culture" is partially obscured by the image. I'm using the latest version of Firefox. I dunno if my 26" widescreen monitor is could possibly have any effect on page rendering - but at any rate I wouldn't know how to fix this, so I'm just mentioning it here. Jafafa Hots 15:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  formatting problems 

message: An anon user recently removed two of the images on the basis that they were 'unnecessary and distracting'. On the one hand they have a point, in that there are probably too many pictures on this page. I'm not so sure about the 3D photo of a skull, but I've restored the tool use image since it does significantly support the section on tool use and comes from the original scientific paper cited. -- Solipsist 15:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many image

message: There's a word for the way a gorilla's mandible pushes forward of the maxilla above. I checked Great apes, but that shunts to Hominidae, and that's more taxonomic than anatomical. Anyone know that word, and is it worth adding to the article in terms of appearance and physical characteristics?ThuranX 19:19, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know te word, but it is certainly worth adding. UtherSRG (talk) 20:36, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The word is Prognathus, or Prognathous, from Latin, Pro - Forward, and Gnathus, jaw. Took some creative Intarweb searchings. I'll try to write up an inclusion tonight.ThuranX 01:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jaw structure 

message: From Oxford Dictionary:
culture |ˈkəl ch ər| noun
1 the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively : 20th century popular culture. 
• a refined understanding or appreciation of this : men of culture.
• the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group : Caribbean culture | people from many different cultures.
• [with adj. ] the attitudes and behavior characteristic of a particular social group : the emerging drug culture.
2 Biology the cultivation of bacteria, tissue cells, etc., in an artificial medium containing nutrients : the cells proliferate readily in culture.
• a preparation of cells obtained in such a way : the bacterium was isolated in two blood cultures.
• the cultivation of plants : this variety of lettuce is popular for its ease of culture.
I have changed this to "society".
:And it has been changed back.  It seems rather odd that such close relatives could be construed as being bereft of culture.  Short circuiting the concept of culture as a purely human manifestation cannot be assumed, especially given the extensive evidence that says otherwise.  Ombudsman 19:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed to Gorilla Behavior. That's less personifying, as both "society" and "culture" are. Both suggest a codified level of repeatably demonstrable behaviors based on inculcations with purpose, instead of instinctually preferred behaviors. until someone proves that gorillas have a rationale behind their actions which they are aware of and intentionally perpetuate for that purpose, let's stick with a WYSIWYG attitude. we know they behave in certain ways, but don't know the motivations.ThuranX 05:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uther's change works for me.ThuranX 14:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur.  Describe, not construe.  Midgley 21:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  do gorillas don't have a "culture"? 

message: Please cite something to distinctly refute the cited strength statistics, or do not delete them. thank you.ThuranX 02:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't need to. A citation in and of itself is not grounds for inclusion in an article. A citation is a means to verify the information. However, a disreputable citation is justification for removing the information from the article until better data can be found. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree, but if the claim is 'the source is lousy', explain why. The San Fran zoo seems a reasonable source to me.ThuranX 01:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gorilla strength 

message: Please make sure that whatever version gets copied to the CD doesn't have any vandalism that various anons seem to get their kicks inserting on a regular basis. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 10:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WPCD

message: I'm going to pull the baboon story in the tool use section.  I feel it is both irrelevant to the topic at hand (baboons are not apes) and unverified.  The latter would merit simply running down the source.  The former is what I'm basing my decision to remove the sentence on.  It may be appropriate for the baboon page but it isn't relevant to a section on tool use by great apes.  Moonsword 03:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Nuff said!  67.71.143.228 22:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of baboon reference in the tool use section

message: can someone specify in the article (in the intro) what two chimpazee species are the closest to human.--69.229.240.233 04:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that would be inappropriate to this article. The answer to your question is that both of the two chimpanzee species (the Common Chimpanzee and the Bonobo) are equally related to humans; that is, both chimpanzees have a common ancestor that is related to an ancestor of H. sapiens. Humans are more closely related to chimpanzees than to other apes, next is gorillas, then orangutans, then gibbons (see ape). After the apes, we're more closely related to the Old World monkeys than to the New World monkeys, but we're more closely related to any money than to the tarsiers, which we're more closely related to than the rest of the prosimians (see primate). - UtherSRG (talk) 11:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: can someone tell me

message: The article says "Adult males range in height from 165-175 cm (5 ft 5 in-5 ft 9 in), and in weight from 140-200 kg (310-440 lb). Averaging about 140 cm (4 ft 7 in) tall and 100 kg (220 lb)"   so the 'average' is below what it gives as the range. That can't be right.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk • contribs) 
:Nice catch!  All we have to do now is figure out what (if anything) is correct. (BTW - the convention is to add new sections to the bottom of Talk pages.) wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 20:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad catch. Read more carefully. "Averaging about 140 cm (4 ft 7 in) tall and 100 kg (220 lb), adult females are often half the size of a silverback." - UtherSRG (talk) 20:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Fixed it so we don't have to read more carefully. ;^) wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 21:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Average is below 'range' 

message: Although gorillas split from their ancestor about 7 million years ago, no fossil gorillas have been found in Africa so far, as ape fossils don't easily fossilize in rainforest environments. However, Wolpoff et. al. (2002) consider the early human Sahelanthropus to be an early gorilla, yet only the skull does not really prove that Sahelanthropus was a gorilla.
Wolpoff, M.H., B. Senut, M. Pickford & J. Hawks (2002). Sahelanthropus or ‘Sahelpithecus’? Nature 419:581-582. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.194.116.63 (talk • contribs) .
:Interesting, but is there a viable way to include it in the article? ThuranX 16:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin and evolution of gorillas  

message: I guess there exists some kind of population estimate? I missed that when reading the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.202.92.155 (talk) 05:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: Damn vandalism...
--84.180.250.223 13:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Message from HeliosEun (German User) 

message: Hi, I'm working with The Pulitzer Center, a non-profit journalism agency geared towards providing audience to underrepresented news stories.  I'd like to link this page to a few related articles on the Pulitzer site; "Gorillas in our Midst," and others concerning Gorillas and their environment http://www.pulitzercenter.org/openitem.cfm?id=275 Please let me know if I can post these links.  Many thanks in advance. Blendus 04:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think that a bunch of links to the same site would not be appropriate, but a link to the home page of the site might be fine. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 09:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Link 

message: Gorillas are folivore/herbivores, not omnivores.  Chimps are omnivores.
76.16.81.251 04:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are mistaken. About 1-2% of the gorilla's diet is insects. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:56, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are mistaken.  It doesn't count when it's just a few insects they don't happen to notice on a bit of vegetation they're eating.  You're almost as dumb as ThuranX.  70.49.240.62 02:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Diet

message: in Fula language, gorko = "man" and its diminutive form is gorel. Böri (talk) 09:46, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: interesting, but we also have Wolof language: goor = "man", or golo = "monkey". I guess the etymology is impossible to figure out. Riyadi (talk) 23:55, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Uzzy1234567890 (talk) 07:30, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 08:41, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2017 

message: Just added CR status to infobox, not realizing I was reverting.  My take:  the more readers who glance at this article and learn that gorillas (all kinds) are critically endangered, the better for all. (See WP:5P5, if this bugs you.  I made the same edit at Orangutan some time ago and it's remained.)  --Middle 8 (t • c | privacy • COI) 18:21, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Labeling gorillas as a whole critically endangered is misleading. Both species are critically endangered each but together they may be just endangered. Conservation statuses can radically change when species are slit or merged. IUCN evaluated them as species not together. LittleJerry (talk) 02:02, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Critically endangered infobox

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: "The closest relatives of gorillas are the other two Homininae species, chimpanzees and human" - Those are not species, those are genera. Chimps and humans are at least three species, more if you include extinct species. ---- 217.248.29.228 (talk) 12:23, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evolution and classification 

message: As these span a number of articles: please discuss recent photo additions by  at User_talk:SpaceMusk#Photo additions. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:48, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent photo additions 

message: The WWF-funded International Gorilla Conservation Program has found that in the Virung Montane forests there are approximately 380 gorillas in the wild. Gorillas live in groups; there is a leader in the group called the silverback. Between the age of 11-13 a young male becomes a silverback. JimletTheGorillaHunter (talk) 20:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Gorilla Conservation Program

message: The box at the top of the right side says "Gorillas" at the very top.  Please make it a singular "Gorilla" instead.  This is already being done by other articles, for example Chimpanzee. 2601:5C6:8081:35C0:876:394F:1ACA:A79C (talk) 01:32, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Was pluralized in 2009 with the reason that it's a genus that contains multiple species. Many of our genus articles are in plural. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:30, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2020 

message: On Christmas eve, 1995, A fire consumed the Primates building at the Philadelphia Zoo. 23 Primates were killed including 6 gorillas: JOHN dob 4/15/67, SAMANTHA dob 4/15/67, SNICKERS dob 7/11/67, KOLA dob 12/20/88, TUFANI dob 3/15/93, and MAANDAZI dob 1/12/95. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ron Stokes (talk • contribs) 20:47, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gorilla 

message: Mothers wean their daughters before their sons. This occurs after the breastfeeding stage in which their baby is around 2 years. Aminashkirat (talk) 03:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 08:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2021 

message: Mothers wean their daughters before their sons. This occurs after the breastfeeding age in which their child is of 2 years of age. Robbins, MM (Robbins, Martha M.)[ 1 ] ; Robbins, AM (Robbins, Andrew M.)[ 1 ]
Aminashkirat (talk) 03:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll have to provide better sourcing than just (Robins, 2021). Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you pulling that source from somewhere else on Wikipedia? I'd like to be able to see what actual paper of her's is being cited. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 22:16, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2021 (2) 

message: I know zoo gorillas are taught sign language. I remember when I was little, my mom would take me to the zoo very often, and on one of those visits, when we were at the gorilla exhibit, we overheard a new mother say on her phone about the gorilla behind the glass in front of her that it just pointed to her son and then signed “Baby?”
Can someone please find a reliable source and add this information about gorillas? Surely it's mentioned somewhere...--Countryboy603 (talk) 14:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: See Great ape language. It's certainly not a "usual" occurrence, and has only been done in special instances. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's nothing "special" about the zoo my mom used to take me to, so if the gorillas at that zoo know sign language, it is reasonable to assume that it is the norm for zoo gorillas to know sign language.--Countryboy603 (talk) 20:05, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia does not publish assumptions based on the generalization of unverifiable anecdotes from editors.  Equivamp - talk 21:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could someone find a reliable source and add the fact that zoo gorillas are typically taught sign language? 

message: It seems that Reddit's R/WallStreetBets community is donating over $350,000 to prove that "Apes together strong." (https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/18/22337670/wallstreetbets-donate-gamestop-profits-gorillas-fund-apes-together-strong) Maybe we could add this to the conservation section? Blue Jay (talk) 05:19, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It’s probably undue (WP:PROPORTION) to put it in the general article for Gorilla; if it were to be mentioned in any of the Wikipedia articles about gorillas and their conservation, I reckon the best option would be Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund International. Umimmak (talk) 18:25, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  An intriguing piece of information 

message: I found a few articles where the common name is the same as the genus name and the article title has no parenthetical disambiguation. Articles where the title is the roman, common name:
* Alligator — 
* Bison — 
* Chinchilla — 
* Dugong — 
* Lynx —  [...] 
And also:
* Boa constrictor — 
Articles where the title is the italic, genus name
* Iguana —  [...] 
* Oryx —  
I checked MOS:ORGANISMS, don't think there's specific guidance for these sorts of cases, other than if the article title is Gorilla, then the lead should also bold the common name gorilla. Might be worth asking there for an arbiter though. Umimmak (talk) 07:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There is tendency away from systematic names when the profile of the animal is higher, familiar and charismatic. I don't expect my edit to survive. There is a similar discussion at various chimpanzee talk pages, I think I've said all I've got to say here and there. Anyone can undo my edit if it is not an improvement. Happy editing. ~ cygnis insignis 08:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italic title? Bold genus? 

message: So I have been working on this article for quite some time. I extended the prose, added some new information, etc. Anything else that has to be done before it can become a GA? Blue Jay (talk) 05:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how much discussion is necessary for GA, but I wonder if a bit more on taxonomic history might be useful as this is the article for the taxon Gorilla as well? The infobox mentions the genus authority, type species, synonym, and status as a genus in the tribe Gorillini (cf. others' placement as a subgenus within Pan, as a subgenus within Homo, as a genus within Hominini, etc.), but all of this could use referencing and perhaps prose discussion in text. Umimmak (talk) 05:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anything else?