Talk:Glozel artifacts

message: See the current Glozel Sign List at Sue Sullivan's Facebook page; you may have to do a search on it to find it. Glozel script is read from left to right. It encodes a Celtic language that can be understand by searching for the words in University of Wales' proto-Celtic lexicon. Most of the texts appear to be grave markers. The site of Glozel was most likely an Iron Age Gaulish cemetery. 
76.191.150.36 (talk) 21:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
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message: I removed this chapter from the article; maybe somebody can translate it: 
Nel 2007 il prof.Gigi Sanna, docente di Storia della Chiesa presso l'Istituto di Scienze Religiose di Oristano (Sardegna), dopo aver preso direttamente visione degli oggetti di Glozel, ha formulato l'ipotesi (temporaneamente sostenuta e poi abbandonata da M. Butavand)che i documenti di Glozel riportino l'alfabeto e la lingua oracolare del Santuario di Pito in Grecia. Un alfabeto ambiguo od 'obliquo' (composto prevalentemente da vocali) organico al culto del Lossia, dio androgino, dio della 'rete' e cacciatore del 'lupo', salvatore e soccorritore,  invocato con l'appellativo di IHEIOS ed HIOS. I documenti in ceramica, in osso e in pietra, teste Erodoto (Historiae I, 163)sarebbero giunti in Francia con gli 'ANATHEMATA' o oggetti votivi che i Focesi in seguito all'invasione persiana della città (545 a.C.) portarono con sè, prima ad Aleria e  a Marsiglia, e quindi attraverso il Rodano e la Loira a Glozel. Il documento più interessante di quelli rinvenuti in Glozel è la tav. D56 (CDI del Morlet, pl. XLIV, p.69) in quanto riporta l'oracolo del Lossia che annuncia ad una certa popolazione che nè i Piti nè le altre città dell'Anfizionia, 'potrebbero accorrere in tempo, nè potrebbero salvarli'. Forse il responso dell'oracolo, dato l'alfabeto greco estremamente arcaico, si riferisce alla invasione imminente delle popolazioni doriche nel continente greco.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysmith (talk • contribs) 08:50, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
the reference is 
:Gigi Sanna, Da Tzricotu (Sardegna) a Delfi (Grecia) percorrendo Glozel (Francia). I segni del Lossia Cacciatore. Le lettere ambigue di Apollo e l'alfabeto protogreco di Pito.; S'Alvure ed. Oristano 2007.
apparently some eccentric "decipherment". Not sure whether it's worth mentioning. I seriously have never heard of a deity "Lossia the hunter". Herodotus I.163 mentions nothing of the kind. --dab (𒁳) 20:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just one glance here : --93.45.65.59 (talk) 17:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-English chapter

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message: Paul Bahn and Colin Renfrew wrote:
"the finds at Glozel constitute one of the most famous and most curious cases of faker)' in the history of archaeology.
In the late 1920s an amazing assemblage of objects - badly-made pseudo-ice Age carvings and tools, pseudo-Bronze Age pots, and fired-clay tablets bearing a nonexistent script - emerged from a single field on a farm near Vichy. 'Glozelians' claimed them to represent a hitherto-unknown civilisation, while 'anti-Glozelians' dismissed the whole thing as a fraud. The International Commission, which included such luminaries of the time as Peyrony, Pittard, Hamal-Nandrin and Bosch Gimpera, as well as Garrod, investigated and produced a negative verdict amid claims that they themselves had salted the site with fakes to discredit the owners. Half-made objects were discovered in the local farm, and a court case ensued, in which the young farmer, Emile Fradin, was eventually acquitted through benefit of doubt. However, Garrod and the other members of the commission had no doubts as to who had made the forgeries (see Garrod 1968).
The story then died down until the 1970s when the new dating technique of Thermoluminescence was applied to some fired-clay tablets from the site and produced a bewildering array of results, some between 700 BC and AD 100, which resurrected the controversy (see Daniel 1992, passim). These TL results have never been fully explained or published, and the whole affair has been left unresolved: to almost all archaeologists, Glozel is an impossibility, a fiasco, but the lunatic fringe see themselves as champions of the site against the blinkered dogma of orthodoxy."
I've got a lot more, just saving this here. I'll add the source later, but a search would find it. Doug Weller talk 15:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The English page could be greatly improved by using content from the French page. --Elnon (talk) 22:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I'm accumulating more material offline right now. This is a very short article at the moment on a very complicated situation. It's a bit like the Kensington Runestone in that respect, although here there are real artefacts etc and some forgeries. And no real archaeological site although the article makes it look as though there was one. Doug Weller talk 10:20, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Bahn and Colin Renfrew in 1999 

message: Clearly the inscribed tablets are the most important issue. Yet the article does not make clear if the TL dating included a / some tablets, and what the results were. That 'some ceramics were TL dated' is not helpful, what is important is the date of the tablets - were some included in 'some ceramics' or not?Wolstan Dixie (talk) 11:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dating the Tablets