Talk:KNX (AM)

message: The correct callsign of the station is "KNX".  (There are no "foo-AM" callsigns and never have been.)  This article should be renamed accordingly.  18.26.0.18 23:14, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct call sign 

message: Last summer I read the KNX article here on Wikipedia and was disturbed to read a section criticizing programming changes at the station over the past five years attacking its vice president of AM programming in a very immature and unprofessional matter. Such whining and venting belongs on a traditional blog, not here. It left me thinking that it was inserted by a disgruntled former employee. That being said, I was pleased to see that the so called "KNX Lite" section has long since been removed, and the article I retrieved (09 June 2008 at 3:55PM Pacific time) is much better.
Unfortunately, the nature of Wikipedia--its very strength, ironically--allows users to vandalize articles as easily as I am adding to this discussion. Fortunately, there are enough registered editors and concerned users to weed out the bad stuff as quickly as it's added.
As a personal opinion, I have listened to KNX since I was a teenager and its programming changes are the reality of operating a commercial radio station in one of the world's most competitive and crowded markets.
--Richard Rodriguez, West Covina, California, USA
198.188.174.156 (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree. Michael Linder (despite being employed by KNX) has done an admirable job of expanding the article and adding balanced information regarding KNX's decline. He's not whitewashing information but is disclosing the reasons why people have left, while allowing adequate room to explain why the changes were made. (Hopefully, for your efforts, Mr. Linder, you won't turn into the next Ron Fineman.) Calwatch 04:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: No. He has abided by WP:NPOV admirably in citing the fact that Gail Eichenthal left, etc. But he is putting balance by showing how KNX has tried to do extended news coverage: the Iraq-featured news period, for instance. Calwatch 06:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Decline in ratings wasn't mentioned by Linder originally, but the last August 13 MichaelLinder revision kept in your ratings notes. But you deleted the commentary about expanded news coverage. Calwatch 06:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editorial Bias 

message: The station's focus since 2003 has been on perspective and in-depth journalism. Programmer David G. Hall's two-station strategy packs KFWB with as many news items as possible, using KNX to probe news and issues in greater analytical detail. 
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MY GOODNESS IT LOOKS LIKE KNX IS DOING BETTER THAN EVER. NO CONTROVERSY -- JUST A STATION THAT IS SAILING HAPPILY ALONG. 
this is suppose to be factual isnt it? doesnt linder mention and controversy about the changes? NO. do linder discuss ratings being the lowest in many years? NO. does linder talk about people quitting or being fired? NO. 
:Because we have no reliable source that people were quit or fired. Please read WP:RS. All we know is that they left. While I agree MichaelLinder is writing from a more positive perspective than you are, I disagree that he is biased. Calwatch 06:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Programming Strategy

message: Hall claims the station's focus since 2003 has been on perspective and in-depth journalism. Hall's two-station strategy is designed he says to pack KFWB with as many news items as possible, while he says he wants to use KNX to probe news and issues in greater analytical detail. 
But the ratings for both stations since Hall took over have not improved. 
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much if not most of linder's p.r. release is still there. but balance has been added. this is now an entry, NOT just a p.r. release.
: It may offer more balance, but it isn't much better because it too is loaded with POV and doesn't have a single, verifiable citation. Gmatsuda 11:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Programming Strategy

message: The article reads like the station's history began in 2003.  The station has been on the air since 1921!  It has a rich history that should described.--Hillrhpc 14:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move to KNX (AM). —Nightstallion (?) 08:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I'm busy elsewhere on Wikipedia, but as a listener, I am quite disturbed at the major POV problems in this article as well as the complete lack of citations in the article. NOTHING in this article is verifiable. For example, the latest edit about Chris Stanley being involved in some kind of dispute has no citation attached to it. As such, even if true, it's still hearsay. This entire article is plagued with nothing but unverifiable claims because it totally lacks citations that can be verified. Gmatsuda 07:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs a major clean-up/Improvement 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Columbia square.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:KNX-logo.gif

message: If nobody has any objections, I would like to completely rewrite this article and convert the schedule to prose. I am aware that it has had a lot of issues as far as content but I believe, if I were to find adequate sources, we could include any and all information relating to KNX. Milonica (talk) 21:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 21:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Complete rewrite

message: Can someone tell me the significance of having a large amount of the article being dedicated to the people who work there? Is there significance to this or is it all done for fame? Milonica (talk) 05:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Who knows. But you offered to rewrite the article...have at it! :-) -- Gmatsuda (talk) 07:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Lol! I don't know where to start. I'd say they aren't very notable. If anyone doesn't have any objections, I'd like to at least cut a few of the names from the list. Some of it seems fishy. Milonica (talk) 08:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why?

message: I had PROD'ed this article for the reasons stated in the article. I'd much prefer that it be expanded within Wikpedia guidelines, but since it is apparent that there is no interest, this article fails WP:NOTE. If someone is seriously interested in improving and expanding this article, please feel free to delete the prod! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 07:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PROD 

message: I fail to see the notability of the staff members of KNX. Nobody (at least me) cares about the staff. I'd rather hear about the station itself than the people working there.
I am going to remove the staff section because I see it as the biggest waste of space in this article. If anyone has an objections, feel free to rewrite the staff section so that it is notable. Milonica (talk) 07:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article looks better now, but to me, it still doesn't belong on Wikipedia in its current form. I would prefer that someone take the bull by the horns, so to speak (I would, but don't have the time or enough interest, for that matter...my strongest interests on Wikipedia lie elsewhere) and bring this article at least up to a point where it at least meets minimum notability standards. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 08:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

text: heh...well, it's been "stubbish" for a long time...hope someone takes the bull by the horns, so to speak! :-) -- Gmatsuda (talk) 07:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I was hoping the PROD would generate interest in this article...that was the real reason I did it. Nothing else worked! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 20:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Per Wikipedia's notability guideline, "notability" only applies to overall article topics, not individual content items within an article! Jeh (talk) 19:08, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  I fail to see notability 

message: I don't have a problem with the removal of the fact template from the article. However, justifying their removal by stating that the information is available just by listening to the station is not a valid reason. WP:CITE and WP:VERIFY indicate that anything presented as a fact must be verifiable and properly cited in the article. The fact that such information is broadcast on the station is totally irrelevant. Also, the few citations that are included are not properly formated. Please see Citation templates for more information on the corect syntax. Thanks! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 01:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: An entire paragraph was devoted to comparing/contrasting whether various  stations have traffic on the 5s, 8s, or 2s.
This seems like irrelevant detail, so I removed it.  Maybe this belongs in some "list of stations that do traffic multiple times per hour" or something, but not in a description of a specific station.
KNX's format can be compared to that of other CBS all-news stations.  For example, WCBS and the other stations provides traffic and weather are together on the "eights" (:08, :18, :28, etc.).    KNX and WINS do  traffic every ten minutes "on the ones" (:01, :11, etc.) and weather every twenty minutes beginning at :12 past the hour, and KYW, who does "Traffic and transit on the twos" (:02, :12, etc.) every ten minutes and AccuWeather regional forecasts at :07, :14, :37, and :44 after every hour.
Pconrad0 (talk) 22:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant detail comparing "traffic on the fives" vs "traffic on the eights" vs. "traffic on the twos" 

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message: I started out doing simple things here like fixing a ROS and ended up recasting the whole thing. I made only one substantive content change (described in the next paragraph); it was pretty much all just rearranging the existing text to establish a cohesive narrative. 
One glitch, though. There was a single mention of a "394 foot antenna". Two other antenna lengths, 494 feet for the main and 365 for the backup, are mentioned prominently and these lengths do correspond with the "degrees" cited. So it was unclear to what "this 394 foot antenna" referred. I assumed it was a typo and was referring to the once-temporary, now-emergency antenna and changed it to 365. 
The use of "degrees" for antennas is likely very unfamiliar to the general reader and should have an explanatory footnote. I would also like to find a "smoother" way of integrating the efficiency measurements, their comparisons with average and standards, etc., into the narrative. 
Also re. "efficiency", these figures should really be called "efficacy". An "efficiency" figure should never have units (other than percentage) attached as it is a simple ratio between measurements of the same units, e.g. watts out vs. watts in; the units disappear and you're left with a decimal fraction or a percentage. "Efficacy" on the other hand is used ratios between different units, e.g. lumens out vs. watts in for a light bulb. "Efficiency" is commonly used in those situations but it isn't technically correct. Jeh (talk) 19:18, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: UPDATE: I've made an attempt at the ideas mentioned above re. the electrical parameters, but I haven't touched the word "efficiency". Yet. :) Jeh (talk) 19:34, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antennae section