Talk:Deșteaptă-te, române!

message: "It's always now or never,for you to build across
    A path where all the tyrants will bow and kiss the cross!!!"
First of all, why do you put three exclamation signs after cross? 
Second, there is NO part in the entire anthem in which the idea is that the enemies of the Romanian people will bow down in front of the cross, but in front of the might of our people, in front of their bravery and so on. It has nothing to do with the cross. The only place where religion is mentioned is the last 4 verses, but it still does not bring a "Crusade like" air to the song. I suggest the translation be changed. Marius 82.208.174.72 (talk) 00:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The "actual meaning" does not reflect the actual meaning

message: The writing is a bit Romanian-patriotic POV. Not bad enough in this respect for me to flag it in the article itself, but someone might want to make a pass at it with this thorugh in mind. -- Jmabel 17:13, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)
:You're right and I had this also in mind when I saw it was taken from the official website of the president. Initially, the link was pointing elsewhere, but I found out that the ultimate source was the president's page... Anyways, the facts are interesting enough, but the interpretation is ahem... --dfrki 18:09, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "Since 1848, "Deşteaptă-te române" has been dear to Romanians" warrants . - FrancisTyers · 12:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: The article says the sung on June 29, 1848, but National Anthem Day is July 29, with no explanation as to why the different days.  I checked the Romanian version of the page, and it only mentions June 29 (at least from what I can tell, I don't know Romanian at all, but the number "29" appears only once on the page, in what seems to be a sentence discussing the 1848 event.)
I suppose I could check the other languages, but I don't understand them enough to be of any good either (and some may have jsut taken this fact blindly from the English page, or from whatever page started it.) --Canuckguy 15:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, it was really bugging me as to what the proper day was, so I took the liberty of running a few Google searches and it looks like July 29 is both the holiday and the date of the first performance of the anthem so, I've taken the liberty in changing the date of first performance not only in this article but in the Romanian one (anonymously, since I don't have an account there for obvious reasons) as well.  (I learned what the Romanian word for "July" was in my Googling so I could change the Romanian version accurately, the new link wasn't "red linked", so I figure it was a success.) So, I guess a "Happy National Anthem Day" is in store for my Romanian friends! --Canuckguy 16:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Anthem Day 

message: From the article: "Note that the official anthem is never translated, acording to the Romanian law." Should this not say "Note that the anthem is never officially translated, according to Romanian law." - Jmabel | Talk 07:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Law 

message: a typo blindly reproduced from the Romanian presidential site, led to amusing consequences
the typo is:
:Dar martor ne de Domnul că vii nu oprimim. 
there is no such word in Romanian like 'oprimim' !
the right notation is "o primim", which simply means we get it (her), we accept it (her)
I can understand why this damned oprimim caused quite a headache, finally leading to this comical solution:
::But we give witness before the Lord that we do not oppress the living.
Now, let's recapitulate
:N-ajunge iataganul barbarei semilune, 
:A cărui plăgi fatale şi azi le mai simţim; 
:Acum se vâră cnuta în vetrele străbune, 
:Dar martor ne de Domnul că vii nu o primim. 
::Didn't we have enough of the yatagan of the barbaric crescent
::Whose fatal wounds we still feel today?;
::Now the knout is intruding in our ancestral homes, 
::But we give witness before the Lord that alive, we do not accept it.
:::I think living should replace alive. TSO1D 03:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, so that's what it was. The oprimim -> oppress translation didn't seem completely right, but I thought it was an archaic form. But of course, you are right, it was just a simple typo. TSO1D 03:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little causes, big consequences   ;-)) 

message: First, let's have a proper Romanian version, according to
LEGEA Nr.75 din 16 iulie 1994
privind arborarea drapelului României, intonarea imnului naţional şi folosirea sigiliilor cu stema României de către autorităţile şi instituţiile publice
:"DEŞTEAPTĂ-TE ROMÂNE"
:Deşteaptă-te, române, din somnul cel de moarte,
:În care te-adânciră barbarii de tirani!
:Acum ori niciodată croieşte-ţi altă soarte,
:La care să se-nchine şi cruzii tăi duşmani!
:Acum ori niciodată să dăm dovezi la lume
:Că-n aste mâni mai curge un sânge de roman,
:Şi că-n a noastre piepturi păstrăm cu fală-un nume
:Triumfător în lupte, un nume de Traian!
:Înalţă-ţi lata frunte şi caută-n giur de tine,
:Cum stau ca brazi în munte voinici sute de mii;
:Un glas ei mai aşteaptă şi sar ca lupi în stâne,
:Bătrâni, bărbaţi, juni, tineri, din munţi şi din câmpii!
:Priviţi, măreţe umbre, Mihai, Ştefan, Corvine,
:Româna naţiune, ai voştri strănepoţi,
:Cu braţele armate, cu focul vostru-n vine,
:"Viaţă-n libertate ori moarte!" strigă toţi.
:Pre voi vă nimiciră a pizmei răutate
:Şi oarba neunire la Milcov şi Carpaţi!
:Dar noi, pătrunşi la suflet de sfânta libertate,
:Jurăm că vom da mâna, să fim pururea fraţi!
:O mamă văduvită de la Mihai cel Mare
:Pretinde de la fii-şi azi mână d-ajutori,
:Şi blastămă cu lacrimi în ochi pe orişicare,
:În astfel de pericol s-ar face vânzători!
:De fulgere să piară, de trăsnet şi pucioasă,
:Oricare s-ar retrage din gloriosul loc,
:Când patria sau mama, cu inimă duioasă,
:Va cere ca să trecem prin sabie şi foc!
:N-ajunse iataganul barbarei semilune,
:A cărui plăgi fatale şi azi le mai simţim;
:Acum se vâră cnuta în vetrele străbune,
:Dar martor ne e Domnul că vii nu o primim!
:N-ajunse despotismul cu-ntreaga lui orbie,
:Al cărui jug din seculi ca vitele-l purtăm ;
:Acum se-ncearcă cruzii, în oarba lor trufie,
:Să ne răpească limba, dar morţi numai o dăm!
:Români din patru unghiuri, acum ori niciodată
:Uniţi-vă în cuget, uniţi-vă-n simţiri!
:Strigaţi în lumea largă că Dunărea-i furată
:Prin intrigă şi silă, viclene uneltiri!
:Preoţi, cu cruce-n frunte! căci oastea e creştină,
:Deviza-i libertate şi scopul ei preasfânt.
:Murim mai bine-n luptă, cu glorie deplină,
:Decât să fim sclavi iarăşi în vechiul nost'pământ!
Now, some suggestions for a litteral translation. Please note that these suggestions are made in order to improve an exact mirroring of the Romanian original, regardless of any rythmical, stylistical or lyrical  consideration.
:Wake up, O Romanian, from your deadly sleep 
:Into which you've been sunk by the barbaric tyrants
:Now, as at no other time, create yourself a new fate,
:To which your cruel enemies will also bow.
:Now or never let's give proof to the world
:That in these hands still flows a Roman blood,
:That in our chests we still maintain our with pride in a name
:The victor Triumphant in his battles, the a name of Trajan!
:Raise your broad forehead and look around you     
:Like fir trees in the mountain, hundreds of thousands of heroes braves are standing firm; 
:A voice they still wait to and jump like wolves among the sheep, 
:Elders, men, youths, boys, from mountains to and the plains. 
:Watch on, great shadows of highnesses, Mihai, Stefan, Corvinus,
:The Romanian Nation, your great grandchildren,
:With weapons in their arms, with your fire in their veins,
:"Live free or die Life in freedom or death!" all shout.
:Your were vanquished by the envy's evils of your 
:And by your the blind disunity at Milcov and the Carpathians 
:But we, whose souls were pierced by holy liberty, 
:Swear that we will shake hands for ever to be in brothers hood we will join. 
:A widowed mother from the time of Michael the Great 
:Claims from her sons today a helping hand, 
:Sending curses, with tears in her eyes, on whosoever, 
:In such great peril, a traitor would become. 
:Of thunder and of brimestone should they perish 
:Those who flee our glorious endeavor place
:When our homeland or mother with tears in her gentle heart,
:Will ask us to cross through swords and blazing fire
:Didn't we have Wasn't it enough of the yatagan of the barbaric crescent
:Whose fatal wounds we still feel today?;
:Now the knout is intruding in the ancestral homes 
:But the Lord is our witness we give witness before the Lord that living, we don't accept it
:Didn't we have Wasn't it enough of  the blinded despotism 
:Whose yoke, like cattle, for centuries we've carried?
:Now let the cruel ones are trying, in their blind arrogance,
:To take away our language, but give it we will only in our death!
:Romanians from the four corners, now or never
:Unite in thought, unite in feeling
:Proclaim to the wide world that the Danube is stolen
:Through intrigue and force, sly machinations.
:Priests, lead with your crucifixes! Because the army is Christian,
:The motto is Liberty and the goal is holy,
:Better to die in battle, in full glory,
:Than to once again be slaves upon our ancient ground!
PS That "widowed mother from the times of Mihai" is a metapher of "Romania", whereby the "widowhood" means the disunion of the Romanian Lands after Mihai. Now, in this crucial moment, this "widowed mother" claims from her sons a helping hand, etc.
--Vintila Barbu 18:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Some suggestions for the litteral translation

message: I removed the section: entitled "the actual meaning." I don't really understand what it purpose was, but in any case, it wasn't even close to a faithful translation. Anyway the text is below
Actually the whole essence of the song is this, of course...(not direct translation, but the meaning)
: Wake up, Romanian, from sleeping of the death
: Induced from the barbarians... the tyrants on your neck
: It's always now or never, for you to build across
: A path where all the tyrants will bow and kiss the cross !!!
: It's always now or never to settle out the scores
: And prove that our blood is Roman when it flows 
: And show we keep at heart the Roman named Traian
: The winner of the battles... the rays of mighty sun.
: Wake up,Romanian, from sleeping of the death
: Induced from the barbarians... the tyrants on your neck
: It's always now or never, for you to build across
: A path where all the tyrants will bow and kiss the cross !!! TSO1D (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The actual meaning  

message: I have done some changes to the literal translation where I thought necessary.
I chose sleep of death over deadly sleep in that deadly is a poor choice here, sleep of death being closer to the original.
I also eliminated some contractions and made some other minor changes. sfaefaol 12:01, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation suggestions 

message: The article for Limba noastră has a vocal sample, and this one doesn't. I know some national anthems don't have words (Spain) but if it does have words, then an instrumental version is not the national anthem. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 03:42, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why do some national anthem articles have vocal versions and others don't? 

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