Talk:Lansing, Michigan

message: Why is there no mention of Lansing being the 24th most dangerous city according to the FBI? I understand that city officials and town supporters want to make sure that Lansing comes across well in this article, but this is an important piece of information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.65.84 (talk) 18:51, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 24th Most Dangerous City

message: Some friends of mine and I tried listing all of the post graduate schools in and around the Lansing area once. I wish we had written them down. Off the top of my head some that are not mentioned are Lansing Community College, Davenport University, Great Lakes Christian College, the barber college, Douglas J, Excel Academies of Cosmetology, Adams Modeling, and then CMU and Adrian both have extentions here...
You get the idea.
--Stryder 06:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Colleges, universities and trade schools?

message: Whoever has been working on this entry is either a shameless booster for the city of Lansing or someone whose definitions of "lively entertainment and culture" and "gentrification" are wildly different from those used by the general population. I've taken out the worst excesses. Please, people, this is supposed to be a useful resource, not an online house of lies.
amyanda 01:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shameless Boosterism

message: i can provide pictures of lansing/lansing area, but what sort of pictures should i be going for?
i was thinking a picture of oldsmobile stadium would be good, and a skyline picture of the downtown region.  any other suggestions? Ricecake 08:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can get pictures of the Board of Water and Light buildings and Sparrow Hospital pretty easily. Can we use those? Nick 23:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Come to think of it, I live about a block from Sparrow Hospital and I can get decent shot of the capitol skyline between the Sparrow and the Professional Building. It looks very nice at sunset. Would anyone have a place for it? Lucajo 20:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: I find the entire section to be useless and non-notable. The fact that the city has a few IT companies does not educate anyone about Lansing. Segelflugzeugwettbewerber 01:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see where you're coming from, it's not entirly notable. While Lansing does have a Technology Economy on some level, it's not notable. LilDice 00:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Technology Economy?

message: Why is the closing of the GM plant in Delphi in 2005 on the same timeline as the founding of the City. I think it would be notable under a section about the auto industry in Lansing, but not on that scale. Thoughts? LilDice 22:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm kind of with you, but if the subject is Lansing, then things related to changes in its entity are relatively more important. But yes as the first or second largest employer in the area, a plant closing is fairly important. - Taxman Talk 02:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So let's leave it there but start a new section on the Auto Industry. A breif synopsis and plant opening and closings. I'll put this on my todo unless someone that feels a bit more passionate about it or has more knowledge than me wants to start it. LilDice 10:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline

message: It says at the beginning of the article that "Lansing is the only state capital city in the United States that extends into three counties". This would be an intersting factoid if it were true. Unfortunately, Columbus extends out of Franklin County, Ohio into Delaware County, Ohio and Fairfield County, Ohio. I'm going to add a fact check, and if somebody can verify the truthiness of this statement, it can stay. Otherwise it will be removed shortly.
::Now that you mention it, isn't Oklahoma City a capital too?  I think it extends into more than three counties due to annexations in recent years. Kestenbaum 17:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You must have changed it, because I see nowehere where it says that Lansing is the only state capital to extend into three counties.  The beginning paragraph simply says that the city extends into three counties. Criticalthinker 12 July 2006
I'm not sure it is even accurate that Lansing extends into 3 counties. Ingham and Eaton, yes, but I'm not sure Lansing extends into Clinton County. East Lansing does, but it's a different city.Venqax (talk) 17:40, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual Issue

message: Remember, if you are adding large chunks to the page (criticalthinker) please cite your sources. Adding info to the page without citing it is not productive, an article is only as good as it's sources. LilDice 14:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research

message: Note one reads: 
::"There are also two small non-contiguous tracts located in Ingham County. These sections are not highlighted on the map displayed as they are part of a 425 Agreement, meaning they do not officially count towards Lansing's area."
Actually, I've done quite a bit of research on this including contacting the Census Bureau about this, and far as they are concerned 425's, at least statistically for their standards, do count as annexations, if even not legally in Michigan.  In fact, the 35.0 sq mi land area for Lansing includes all of the 425's done before 2000, so that figure includes the two 425 Agreements with Alaiedon Township and the one with Meridian Township which all happened prior to the 2000 count.  Just thought I'd make this clear, and perhaps whoever made the note may want to correct it. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Note 1

message: I'm used to seeing cold temperatures reported with blue background and warm temperatures reported with orange and red. Is there any reason why this isn't true for this page? I'm not too familiar with how to code these tables. 66.134.4.226 (talk) 18:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate Data Colors

message: The intro states that Lansing is the only one of the state capitals located within a county to not be the county seat, and then says there are 44 within counties, meaning there are six without. However, I only count four:
* Richmond (independent city)
* Carson City (independent city)
* Baton Rouge (parish seat)
* Juneau (consolidated city-borough)
If it's also including consolidated city-counties, then the numbering doesn't necessarily work then either, because there are four of those as well:
* Honolulu
* Denver
* Nashville (mostly)
* Indianapolis (mostly)
So I guess it might be including only Honolulu and Denver, but still, those are counties, just coterminous with their cities. This needs a source or clarification, and in fact we probably don't need the numbering at all; simply saying "It's the only capital city in the United States which is not the seat of its county-equivalent" would work, with a link to county-equivalent maybe. Richmond and Carson City still remain county-equivalents. --Golbez (talk) 15:54, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, no, no, NO. It is factually the only U.S. state capital which is not the seat of the county wherein it primarily resides, as portions of Lansing are in Eaton County in the west, and Clinton County in the north. 68.32.218.121 (talk) 11:15, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: County seat

message: I am going to undo an edit.
I note the following:
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The following sources are relevant:
Round Table Reviews Lighthouse Literary Reviews The Midwest Book Review  7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability not established

message: Since the city population, metro population, and CSA population changed with the 2010 census, should not the Urban population (in InfoBox; currently 300,032) change as well? Dj1997 (talk) 17:47, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It can't be changed until the Census Bureau releases that information, which is hasn't yet. --Criticalthinker (talk) 07:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban population 

message: This article should list 'lænʦiŋ as IPA pronunciation of Lansing, Michigan.  'lænsiŋ may be a standard English pronunciation, but it is not the common local pronunciation. mdkarazim (talk) 22:55, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe being a local I don't hear the "t", but I honestly don't hear the t when I pronounce it. --Criticalthinker (talk) 03:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I first noticed it from non-locals (especially those from East Asia) saying 'sing'; it didn't sound quite right. I observed my mom & grandma both saying it like me: somewhere between 'sing' and 'tsing'. Is there a different IPA character from 'ʦ' that would better represent this sound between 's' and 'ts' to reflect the local pronunciation? mdkarazim (talk) 23:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I went back an corrected my original response.  I honestly don't hear anything other thing a straight "sing" on the second syllable when I or other locals says it.  I think I know what you're talking about, but it seems this is just something common in American English when you start a second syllable with an "s".  I'm not sure it's anything locally unique or anything that has its own IPA character. --Criticalthinker (talk) 01:42, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA Pronunciation 

message: I've lived in this region for years and have always wondered is there any formal geographical region the urban area lays in?  By that I mean is there a formally named plain and marsh or plateau or anything in which the area sits?  I honestly can't think of anything.  I know the city sits up quite high in comparison to places like Flint, Grand Rapids, Battle Creek-Kalamazoo and Ann Arbor (only Jackson sits higher of the major cities), but there doesn't seem to be any geographical region for Mid-Michigan. --Criticalthinker (talk) 07:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geographical Area 

message: I did change it, to the photo at right.  Obviously someone disagreed and changed it back!  Here is what I don't like about the old photo.
1. It just isn't that great of a photo.  There is no contrast, everything is red/yellow, including the sky, to a point!  Clearly the photo was taken at sunrise.
2. In the thumbnail visible on the article itself, the most important buildings are difficult to see - the Capitol dome in particular is nearly invisible.
3. The photo gives you no clue that a river might be flowing through downtown.  The river is one of the central features of the city.
The photo I posted corrects all three of these mistakes.  I understand that it shows less of the city overall, but I think the trade is well worthwhile.  One possible compromise that would involve a lot more work is to do something like we see on the Grand Rapids page and make a collage of many different photos instead of trying to capture the city in one shot.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidshane0 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved latest comment to end of discussion. Please sign your posts using four tildes  7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why can't we have both pictures in different parts of the article? They each have something to recommend them.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:21, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd put the article pictured here in another part of the article, or include it in a montage like on other city infobox pages.  But, as the representative photo of the Lansing skyline?  No way.  So, that's my two cents. --Criticalthinker (talk) 02:14, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But we don't necessarily want the Lansing skyline, we want a photo that represents the city well.  (Obviously the river is not part of the skyline.  But it's important.)  Davidshane0 (talk) 04:22, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: We should change the Lansing skyline photo.

message: Is there any books on the Native American history either of the land in or in the immediate vicinity of Lansing before European/American settlement?  I've lived here all my life and have heard almost nothing on what tribes used this area aside from Chief Okemos, who I'm not even sure was from the area. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:04, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American history 

message: Does anyone else think this article is up to GA status?--Bigpoliticsfan (talk) 00:10, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking for someone to nominate this article for GA status 

message: I have long wondered why this page asserts that Lansing extends into Clinton County, when I can find no evidence that this is so.  I'm not denying that it is the case, but I also would like to see a citation for it.  Just today I was studying the map of Lansing that is hung in the local post office and it shows the city limits stopping short of Clinton County, as best as I can tell.  Same with the map in the public library.  I'd be delighted to see some evidence to the contrary as this has been a puzzle to me for quite some time.  I tried putting a "citation needed" tag on the claim, but that was reverted on the grounds that ... I don't have a citation to prove that it needs a citation.  Er, OK. Bunnyhugger (talk) 07:30, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see why people are skeptical.  I have seen no city maps show the 425 Agreement with Dewitt Township.  But, the transfer of land happened.  Lansing took over jurisdiction for the land that includes the airport in October 2011:
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2011/10/lansing_airport_aerotropolis_a.html
In fact, here's another story from this year about DeWitt wanting a say on the airport, even though it is now apart of Lansing:
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/community/dewitt-bath/2014/08/17/dewitt-township-seeks-voice-on-airport-master-plan/14053751/
Hope this helps. --Criticalthinker (talk) 15:32, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clinton County 

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thread_title: Quality Dairy is a noteworthy Lansing institution

message: Hello all, I'm looking for a consensus about including the Financial Empowerment Center on the timeline. The establishment of the Financial Empowerment Center in 2013 has been a tremendously successful public-private partnership offered by the City that is helping low-income residents with their finances in Lansing. Also, Lansing is one of only 5 communities in the whole country that has such a comprehensive financial counseling program. 
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•	2013—Mayor Bernero and community agencies partner with Bloomberg Philanthropies to establish Lansing as one of five U.S. cities with Financial Empowerment Centers.  Lansing’s Financial Empowerment Center provides free, professional counseling to at least 4,000 residents.
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message: The timeline is not in line with the structure of the majority of settlement articles on Wikipedia. It should have its own separate article.--TheTexasNationalist99 (talk) 16:36, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it started out good, but people have been adding superificial things to it particularly since 2000, and it's become very unwieldy.  I'd like to see it moved. --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:34, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

text: Can someone who knows how to do this do this, already?  The timeline is cluttering an already overly wordy article. --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:18, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

text: This needs to be remedied. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:05, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move timeline to its own separate article 

message: Hello all, I just updated the "Top City Employers" table with the most recent numbers from LEAP (the Lansing Economic Area Partnership), which they update on an annual basis. There are a few changes I've been thinking about, and I wanted to get the input and assistance of others to determine whether they should be made, and what the best way is to do so. The table can be found at Template:Lansing top city employers.
*The old data from 2014 had 15 entries, however the current data from LEAP is split into two tables: top 10 employers, and top private sector employers. To get entries 11-15, I used numbers from the private industry table; however, I tend to think reducing the list to ten entries would be a better solution, and it would more accurately represent the source data. (The most obvious reason I have is that the Meijer number listed is strictly for Lansing's distribution center; it does not count employees at Meijer stores nor any other operations they may have in the city.)
*The text "Top City Employers" feels slightly misleading to me, as not all of these employers are in the city of Lansing proper. MSU is East Lansing, though I think that's less misleading than Dart Container, which is in Mason. Certainly all of these companies are within the Greater Lansing area, which this article also represents; but I'm simply wondering whether the text could be worded a bit differently to make that clearer, and what that better text might be.
*The pie chart is arguably problematic. Undoubtedly I think it's neat and it'd be nice to keep, but it's 5 years old, and more importantly I can't figure out what the chart's percentages are based on. LEAP has some data about employers and places of business by industry, but none of it really matches up with this chart. Due to the combination of outdated data and lack of a reliable source to verify its accuracy, I propose its removal.
I look forward to any feedback others may provide! [Belinrahs|talk ⁄ edits] 01:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: On each point, I don't find 15 entries to be too many, quite honestly.  And if I were making the list, I'd cut it off at some arbitrary number of employees like over 500 or over 1,000 instead of some set number on the list.  Heck, the Grand Rapids article lists the Top 20.  On the second point, "city" seems to be used in most wiki page on cities and is obviously not be be taken literally.  I don't find any problem with using "city" in a general regional sense.  On the last part, you could get rid of the pie chart, altogether if you've already gotten rid of the outdated data in the chart. --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:46, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely don't think 15 is too many; I just think the accuracy of the source data falls off after the top 10. The Grand Rapids source lists the full 20, and their numbers seem to be a bit more precise than what LEAP offers. On the second point: if other articles are wording it similarly, then I concede there's probably no good reason to change it here. Thanks! [Belinrahs|talk ⁄ edits] 13:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top city employers table updated; seeking opinions 

message: I can't remember if I added the part about Biddle City years ago, but apparently this story is a myth:
https://www.wkar.org/post/debunking-myth-lansing-biddle-city#stream/0
If someone has some time, It'd be great if they could remove this and rewrite it.  Apparently, the Ford brothers were from New York via Jackson (if I heard the story correctly in the link) and none of the original purchasers of land in the city were from Lansing, New York, even though the city is named after that town and I assume some of them came and settled here early in the settlement's history.  It also appears the sale of the land was not a swindle and everything was above board.  If someone can put some of these words into a coherent paragraph or two, that'd be great.  It'd also cut down on some of the excess of this section, too. --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:52, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Reupping this. I may change it sometime this month if no on else does. Even the source material for the myth in the current article plaining lays out that the oft-told myth of the areas settling is not true, so I'm confused as to why it's still stated exactly opposite of that. Criticalthinker (talk) 08:08, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Myth of the founding of Lansing 

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message: I've never heard this so-called settlement talked about within the history of early Lansing. Even in the source material, it does not sound as if it was a village. This is not to say it's not worth a mention, but whatever this location was - the source material doesn't mention the location listed in the note on this settlement - it was certainly outside the original boundaries of the city unlike the actual three villages. It doesn't belong in the section of the three villages which joined to become the original City of Lansing in 1859. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:52, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  North Settlement 

message: I noticed the denonym "Lanstronaut" was removed in a previous revision. I brought it back, it's commonly used enough to be worth listing.  Vivianthus (talk) 02:20, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? As someone from Lansing, I have quite literally never heard or seen it used anywhere. It's probably for the best, then, if it were removed once again, this time permanently. 68.32.218.121 (talk) 11:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick web search shows several examples of it in use. In fairness it’s mostly used online and in recent years.  Vivianthus (talk) 13:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lanstronaut 

message: Text and references copied from Quality Dairy Company to Lansing, Michigan.  See former article for a list of contributors.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Attribution