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Talk:Verifiability theory of meaning

message: I'm but an amature, but as I've been reading Gödel, Escher, Bach lately, the following occurred to me.
The contradiction in the theory of verifiability is resolvable if one recognizes the nature of the theory as a meta-theory: it's a statement about statements.  It's true that it is meaningless without a context, but it doesn't just exist without context.  It's not a statement by itself, it's a statement about statements.  It's meaningfulness and verifiability can only be evaluated in the context of the statements it is applied to.
In a way, it's a long way of saying, "if I can't tell the difference, who cares?"  The sentance doesn't mean anything by itself, but placed in the context of another statement, it does.  "This food is spoiled and poisonous."  I can tell the difference, and I care.  "Dogs can't tell it's not bacon."  I don't know what dogs think, and I don't care.
For the theory to be totally meaningless, all its applications would have to be meaningless too.  That is, if the theory is M(), then for all statements s, M(s) would have to be unverifiable.  Evaluating the theory in terms of itself is meaningless because it's either M(M) or M(M(M(M(M(...))))).
Is there anything wrong with what I'm saying here, or should I add it to the text (rewritten in a less familiar style)?
: Well, yes and no. What you are saying is correct in a sense, as the logical positivists themselves said that the v.p. was a recommendation for the use of words, and not an axiomatic statement (the obvious answer to this is "Well then - I politely decline to employ your recommendation in my use of words..."). This makes it a metaphysical claim about the fundamentals of reality - and thus a faliure on its own terms.
: Does this help? --Shikasta 21:52, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Talk:Thinks ...

message: Is this encyclopedic? G-Man 20:50, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't see any reason why it shouldn't be: David Lodge certainly is an eminent English novelist; the discussion of his novel Thinks ... is NPOV. What else would make the article un-encyclopaedic? <KF> 21:46, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

message: ::(and nothing has changed...)
I have put the plot template in the section. I will not be reading the book, since the detailed synopsis bored me rigid, so also cannot perform the pruning - but I hope the template will attract the attention of some literary type. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey, it's July 2008! 

message: Not only is the summary too long, it also completely distorts the novel's central theme. The novel is centered on Ralph and Helen's relationship. Perhaps more on Ralph btw. Even more important, through their relationships, and discussions we are confronted with their opposing views of the mind, its functioning and purpose. It offers a starck contrast between the humanities and sciences approach to the mysteries of the mind in addition to being well, a fiction.
This is what makes the novel's real contribution.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.91 (talk) 16:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary definitely wrong 

message: Hello.
Yesterday I introduced a structuration of this part, without changing anything else, so that it can be slightly approximative sometimes. 
I think that the summary is really a little too long. I, having read the book, can follow the summary, but a non reader could be disturbed. In fact there are too many explanations : for instance, it's not neccessary to write "we know from her diary that she is attracted, etc." : it's enough to write : "she is attracted, etc." (we could know as well from "conscience stream" or "indirect free style", etc., as I know from The Art of Fiction.) 
I know that in English Wikipedia, you are not very fond of structuration, contrary to German and French Wikipedias. I think that nevertheless a good structure facilitates understanding : on the French page I use a standard structure (without numbers and letters of course) : 
1) Summary a) general sight b) place and time c) characters (not only the main ones) d) detailed summary
2) Analysis a) narrative techniques b) themes 
Helen's diary appears in 2a as well as Ralph's recording ; Ludmilla Lisk can appear in 1c, but not necessarily in 1d. In 2b I could write about Jean-Dominique Bauby, theme which does not interfere in the plot, but is relatively important in the cognitive sciences background of the novel.
I hope this can be useful.
Cordially
--LODGESEARCH (talk) 12:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the summary plot
Talk:Son montuno

message: I moved a huge piece from Music of Cuba to already existing Son montuno. Please, someone who knows the topic, merge the two pieces and write a summary for the Music of Cuba#Son montuno section. If no one undertakes this in a week or two, I'll try to do it myself. Mikkalai 20:51, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologize to the authors of both articles, but it seems that they start to live their own separate lifes, and it is important to keep information coherent. Mikkalai 20:55, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for merge 

message: Isn't son montuno a particular type of son? Its the impression I've picked up reading liner notes, where they make a distinction. I'm not confident enough to make a separate 'son' page though.
:I think son is a generic term for many kinds of folk songs.  There is something called Mexican son (see Music of Mexico).  I'm not really sure though, and have never found a clear explanation. Tuf-Kat 07:14, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
:: I went ahead and split things apart, since most information I found indicated that son montuno = son + montuno sections. Also, I removed the reference to 'toques' as a musical instrument. The only reference I can find to them is as something played on a bata drum. --Johnkarp 22:38, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  son vs. son montuno 

message: I don't think this should be capitalized.  Music genres are not generally proper nouns in English.  Google produces mostly lower-case when not used in a title of some sort. Tuf-Kat 01:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization
Talk:Drill (EP)

message: This was erroneously linked as Drill (album) althoug hit is very clearly not al album. I moved it to Drill (EP), where it belongs. Crackshoe 21:28, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job.  allixpeeke (talk) 23:52, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: March 2004
Talk:Halva

message: I wasn't able to find any sources for a notable article under this itle but the Census of India says seera is a "liquid form of halva" Spudlace (talk) 22:12, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd oppose until Dalia seera meets the notability guidelines and its other issues. That article doesn't even have any corresponding images on Wikimedia Commons. Knightoften (talk) 10:07, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe PROD would be better. Spudlace (talk) 10:27, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Dalia seera]] into [[Halva]] 

message: This was de-prodded by User:Andrew Davidson. , please explain why you deprodded without following any of the recommendations at WP:DEPROD to improve the article. There was objection to merge because of lack of reliable sources in the article. A WP:BEFORE check was done before nomination. Why do we have a proposed deletion function if one editor can unilaterally deprod community proposals without explanation? Spudlace (talk) 00:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  De-prodding by Andrew Davidson 

message: Andrew Davidson has not explained the reason for deprodding, and my own WP:BEFORE check revealed that "Dalia Seera" is a composite of two languages, Marathi (Sheera) and Hindi (Dalia), with no evidence of notability, so I have nominated the article for deletion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dalia seera. Spudlace (talk) 02:11, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD nomination 

message: Is there objection to a split for this article? The article covers two unrelated topics that share the name halvah. One is the toasted flour/starch version found in different forms throughout many world cuisines and the other is the sesame seed based candy. We usually prefer to have one article per topic when it's not redundant. Spudlace (talk) 06:12, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 
Talk:Chico MacMurtrie

message: i put this article in.
i am not a anonymous user.
yes, i worked with him.
chico is not only of local interest.
his last intallation ended march 7-04 in lille(f), the cultural capital of europe. 
please be fair and get infos before voting for delete.
--rene rossi 23:05, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The definition of an anonymous user is one who does not have a registered account.  You made this entry as an anonymous user. - Texture 22:30, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Graham's number

message: re this edit I don't think that "Graham's number is a great many orders of magnitude larger than other large numbers such as Skewes' number and Moser's number" actually is does "better captures how big this number is" as your edit summary claimed.  Graham's number cannot even sensibly be expressed as an order of magnitude, or even a power tower of orders of magnitude as those other numbers can.  It's actually a quite inadequate way of capturing the scale. SpinningSpark 19:49, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. Yekshemesh (talk) 19:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orders of magnitude larger 

message: The ten rightmost digits of Graham’s number is 2464195387, but what are the ten leftmost digits of Graham’s number? I want to know them like  2402:7500:901:F4A7:B569:939A:AC71:FAC9 (talk) 01:36, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody please put a banner at the top of this talk page with a warning related to this question that I'm sure people will keep asking over and over again. Georgia guy (talk) 02:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I think that this article can show the leftmost 1000 digits and the rightmost 1000 digits for the Graham’s number. 2402:7500:901:F4A7:B569:939A:AC71:FAC9 (talk) 02:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, they can't.  This is currently too difficult a problem to calculate.  At least, it is too difficult in base 10.  In base 3 the answer is 1000000000... SpinningSpark 14:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ten leftmost digits of Graham’s number 

message: What does Iteror.org have to do with Graham's number?  Chasrob (talk) 10:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a part of the chain which lies on the path to Wayback machine's link to the Scientific American article. A part of the service the reader needs to read the reference. When one part of the chain is broken, the ref is broken, so we need the chain, to read the Martin Gardner article. --Ancheta Wis    (talk  | contribs) 13:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reformatted the reference so now the link in the title points to the archived version rather than to the usurped / dead link. --JBL (talk) 21:42, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference 6 

message: Edited the "Rightmost decimal digits" section, fixing some mistakes (i.e., the wrong assumption that any integer tetration of height d should have at least d-1 stable digits, which is false... consequently, I added the trivial example of the base 2 that has d-2 stable digits only, given the fact that 2^^2=4 is not congruent modulo 10 to 2^^3=16), explaining which is the exact number of stable digits of G (providing also proper peer-reviewed references) and improving the overall quality of the page. Please, let me know if something is not clear or needs further edits. 
P.S. Still trying to learn how to sign my comments properly. --Marcokrt (talk) 16:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rightmost decimal digits
Talk:Filter

message: "Filter program" is a Unix-specific concept with a technical definition; 
perhaps the page should be renamed "Filter (Unix)".  
Pherhaps there should be a separate page, e.g. "Filter (software)" for non-Unix filters such as mail filter, printer filter, spam filter, etc. however only the first of these exists at present... Jorge Stolfi 00:51, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Filter programs

message: I suggest that there should be an entry for "filtering" as used in the image processing field (the entries for "optics" and "software" do not seem to fit). Unsigned contribution by User:Mwtoews, 04:41, 10 July 2009.User:142.92.160.16, 17:45, 19 June 2006
:You have it the wrong way round, an article needs to exist first before a subject if given an entry on a dab page.  We have Bayer filter but I cannot find a general article on filter (image processing).  If there is one, then by all means add it to the page. SpinningSpark 17:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How did I ask that question? +mt 23:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake, I thought it was a new post for some reason. SpinningSpark 08:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Image processing

message: User:Spinningspark we don't pipe entries per MOS:DABENTRY so please don't repeat this bad entry style . Widefox; talk 21:03, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, but what you had done was to remove the word filter from the entry, which made the reason for the entry here unintelligible.  Usefullness to the reader is more important than officious compliance with guideline smallprint. You might want to avoid that bad entry style in future. SpinningSpark 22:27, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  No pipe 

message: Filtrations about information 10 lines 115.96.219.85 (talk) 06:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History
Talk:Lord Harcourt

message: I removed:
: Lord Harcourt was the lord of Harcourt, son of Arathron, Lord of Arabia.
because it's not at all clear which Lord Harcourt this is about.
Google hits indicated a lot of them, dating back at least to the 12th century!
One of the people that works on British peers will have to straighten this out.
-- Toby Bartels 01:07, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Talk:Hamilton College

message: I don't know how much can be said... but it seems that *something* should be said given the scandalous neglect that the administration showed in the Graham Burton suicide case.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/us/college-student-suicide-hamilton.html?nl=top-stories&nlid=71392839ries&ref=cta  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregorybard (talk • contribs) 04:21, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: While sad, that's not encyclopedic information. - Kzirkel (talk) 23:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suicide-related scandal 

message: The history section for this page got moved up, and lost the history tab all together, not the history of Hamilton College is combined with the overview of the school — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:182:c903:4070:5053:7035:c7e9:bac4 (talk • contribs) 17:21, September 17, 2020 (UTC)
:Someone accidentally erased the title of the History section. I've fixed it. ElKevbo (talk) 22:49, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting of sections
Talk:Wave interference

message: I've just removed some recent pseudo-science additions by an unnamed person. An unnamed person has removed text and an animation explaining constructive & destructive interference, which can be seen here ... https://web.archive.org/web/20160530224057/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_(wave_propagation) . Can someone please restore that deleted text & animation. Natural Philo (talk) 03:20, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you can request that a page be protected from anonymous/IP address editing for some length of time. David Spector (talk) 17:50, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone restore the long-standing animation, and text explaining it, which has been recently removed 
Talk:50 State quarters

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :50 State Quarters® Program and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 15#50 State Quarters® Program until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  BD2412 T 04:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "50 State Quarters® Program" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 
Talk:Clare W. Graves

message: This article was proposed for deletion on Dec. 20, 2006. The reason given was "original research." --Alksub 09:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Prod

message: I was unable to figure out from reading this article, the exact stages of development this thinker proposed happen in adulthood.  If there was an article that addressed such better, such was also not made clear.  Also, wasn't Erik Erikson the 1st to propose post-adolescent psycho-social development, shouldn't he receive some mention, or maybe Maslow too?Slarty1 (talk) 06:36, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe (based on his page) that Erikson's work on adult development was published in 1969, while Graves began publishing his work a decade earlier, with the 1959 Harvard Business Review article, followed by work in peer-reviewed journals and mainstream conferences during the 1960s.  I'm sure it's worth a comment but they seem to have been working at roughly the same time.  Maslow was a definite influence and I hope to fill that out a bit. --Ixat totep (talk) 02:25, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: What r the stages of post-adolescent psycho-social development?
Talk:Managing the news

message: This page is mostly a bunch of political prejudice. It is raw material for formulating aspersions toward people whose professional life requires that they explain public business to the public via the news industry. It is no more covert to explain an agencies point of view to the media than it is to explain to one's family matters that might affect them. Using the term "spin" is usually a set-up for other euphemistic attacks on the credibility of people who participate in mass communication. These euphemistic attacks are invariably launched for a countervailing interest. 
I would carefully monitor who ever created and contributed to this page to see what other political propaganda they have infiltrated into this ostensibly educational document. Bad faith
:It appears this propaganda piece is entirely the work of a single writer. He no doubt has fans, but I see no refences here to any scholarly sources. This appears to be an effort to commandeer language for political purposes.
The reference is to a paper by Ivor Gaber, 1999. I'm sorry you people have decided to victimize me. Washington irving 07:28, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: People don't seem to be dating comments here, and Reality Check and Bad Faith no longer appear to be around (the links to their user pages are red, anyhow).  If anyone has a problem with NPOV on this page, the best thing to do is edit it to improve it, not whinge about it on the comment page.  "News management" is a legitimate encyclopedia entry to my mind.  PaulHammond 16:40, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research & lead disputs 

message: I find fault with the article also. I plan to shorten and revise it and rename it "Managing the news" unless someone has a better title. Maurreen 3 July 2005 16:22 (UTC)
:Good job, I've added new comments toward the top, regarding the lead revisions. Calicocat 3 July 2005 18:02 (UTC)
: Jonathon Green's 1984 slang dictionary Newspeak discusses this topic under the heading of "managed news", so it's not some new term made up for Wikipedia. 2A00:23C5:FE0C:2100:8D5A:C860:73F5:2504 (talk) 02:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Revision and renaming

message: "In the United Kingdom, the report was given early to certain officials."
The sentence sounds incomplete. I expected it to continue: so that.... OR in order to avoid.... OR something similar.S. Valkemirer (talk) 10:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete sentence
Talk:Poles in the Soviet Union

message: Suggesting a Polish minority didn't exist in Russia prior to 1921 is pretty lame. What about all the Poles that were exiled to Siberia in the 19th century and stayed there? This needs elaborating on --  Apoivre
:Missing information is no reason to be rude, but rather a reason for making your own contribution. Mikkalai 16:15, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: History before 1921

message: Polish citizens during WWII weren't any "minority". The SU acknowledged that allowing the majority of the Poles emigrate after the war.
Xx236 14:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Polish citizens during WWII

message: It would be more 'academic' to write something like that "Those expelled, if survived the travel, had higher level of life and more liberty than those who stayed."
Xx236 11:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement is not encyclopedic and probably should be removed altogether. If there are reasons to believe that what are the reasons and what can you cite to support it? Gr8white (talk) 03:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: There are reasons to believe that those expelled were more happy than those who stayed.

message: The Soviet massacred POlish POWs in September 1939.
Xx236 07:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Massacres of Polish POWs

message: I mean "Polish" units in 1920. I don't know, who commanded them.
Xx236 06:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: led by non-Poles, in the case of "Polish Army" Russians.
Talk:Nazi concentration camps

message: Why is there absolutely no mention of when camps were discovered? This is important in understanding that it was not cruelty but simple ignorance, from other nations and from many German citizens, that allowed this horror to continue for so long.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.73.175.85 (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: have been seeking this answer as well. 1 - when did the allies suspect existence of such camps and 2 - when did they know, with proof. 70.31.166.89 (talk) 22:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

text: There wasn't "simple ignorance" but World War 2 made it more complicated. 10 November 1938 was Kristallnacht during which hundreds of Jews were murdered throughout Germany and 30,000 Jewish men were sent to concentration camps. Also, Nazi Germany notified neutral nations during WW2 to re-patriate their Jewish citizens who were in Germany, e.g. Turkey. (See Baer, Marc D. (2020). Sultanic Saviors and Tolerant Turks: Writing Ottoman Jewish History, Denying the Armenian Genocide. Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-04542-3, pp. 202.)  Turkey didn't do so, apparently. I don't know when that was. I don't know when German citizens (who were not in the SS) knew about the extermination camps, or if that question is answerable.--FeralOink (talk) 11:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite my cranky tone, IP user the second, you make a good point in wondering about when the Allies knew.  I read a scholarly journal article about Jewish life (such as it was) for the first two years in post-World War 2 Germany under Allied occupation; it mentioned when the U.S. government became aware, I recall. I'll try to find the citation and if possible, include it in the Wikipedia article here.--FeralOink (talk) 11:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

text: KZ were never secret. As stated in this article, they were advertised in Nazi propaganda from 1933 onwards. Of course the Allies were aware of them throughout. (Mass extermination in the death camps was another story, but that is not the subject of this article). (t · c) buidhe 14:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP user questions 

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