Talk:Ahmed Chalabi

message: I take issue with the use of the term neoconservative as used in this document. I understand this to be a factual base, and we all know neocon is a derogative term, and therefore it's a political term. You are essentially labeling the people in the pentagon without further at least backing up the use of the term. Couldnt that simply be changed to "prominent people in the pentagon?" Or at least, those "neocons" should be listed. Jviehe 14:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  the term neoconservative 

message: I don't understand the last sentence of the introduction.  It says that Chalabi is an "escrow," which the American Heritage online dictionary defines as "Money, property, a deed, or a bond put into the custody of a third party for delivery to a grantee only after the fulfillment of the conditions specified."  The Wikipedia definition provided by the link echoes this definition, but neither seems to provide any circumstance under which the word might be used to describe a person.  (Unless the article means "escrow agent", but it's not clear how Chalabi fills that role.)  The linked CNN article doesn't use the term at all.
Could someone provide some clarification / excise the term?  Thanks.
I took it out - it really makes no sense... 62.141.24.81 18:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chalabi is an "Escrow"? 

message: There is another garbled phrase in the first paragraph (introduced in this edit []: "currently under investigation by several government sources". A "source" is a journalist's informant. For this phrase to be literally correct, the sources would have to be in the government and investigating Chalabi personally. However, as I recall, the people who put it about that Chalabi was under investigation were retired intelligence professionals, no longer in government employ, and they did not claim to be doing the investigation themselves... I would also be interested to know if there is any evidence that Chalabi is under official investigation, as some of his supporters say it's just a smear campaign coming from his long-term enemies within the US government. Crudely, the rivalry is said to be between CIA/State/Allawi/INA and DIA/Pentagon/Chalabi/INC. (The INA is Allawi's old group, the Iraqi National Accord.) Mporter 03:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chalabi under investigation... or not 

message: I have repeatedly heard Ahmed Chalabi referred to as "Achmed" and I'm assuming it is a mistake.  I know nothing about Arabic and Persian names, but I imagine that this is an error which seldom gets corrected.  Could this article note the mistake (if it is one) in order to specify the correct spelling and prounciation of his name?
:The only sensible transcription is "Ahmed" (or possibly "Ahmad") - Arabic has two /h/ sounds, one of them identical with the English, the other not. This is the other one. There's no equivalent sound in English (nor in any European language so far as I know), and thereefore no letter in the Latin alphabet to represent it. So /h/ will do. As for his other names, Abdel Hadi should properly be one word (how can you be "the servant of", which is what Abdel means, without being the servant of someone/thing?). His last name, Chalabi, is interesting. There's no /ch/ sound in Arabic, and therefore no letter in the Arabic alphabet to represent it. But there is a /ch/ sound in the Iraqi dialect of Arabic. You find it in words like /simich/, meaning "fish" - which is /samak/ in, for example, Egyptian. I vaguely remember /kalb/ (Egyptian /kelb/) might also be pronounced /chelb/. Anyway, the actual spelling would be /Jelebi/ (or /Jalabi/). I find it odd that this results in Iraqi /Chalabi/, as jim (the name of that particular letter, representing a soft /j/ sound) usually turns into a /k/ or /g/ sound in Iraqi, depending on surrounding sounds. Or maybe I'm wrong. PiCo 10:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chalabi is a common, if not obvious to English speakers, transliteration of the word Shalabi, meaning roughly "gentleman." It was presumably an honorific given in Ottoman times and then converted into a surname. The Arabic letter should be converted from jim to shin. If you wanted to do an academic transliteration of his other name, it would be `Abd al-Hadi, but 1)Abdul or Abdel, even though it's nonsense Arabic, is the commonly accepted way of writing names of this type in Western languages, and 2) the convention is to let people who have an established way of spelling their names in Roman script use whatever spelling they want. --AG 07:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are three "h" sounds in Modern Standard Arabic (known as "Fuss-ha"). The first is an aspirated, very breathy "h," which is the letter used in Chalabi's first name, Ahmed, as well as other common names such as Muhammad or Mahmoud. The second is a hard "h" sound produced in the back of the mouth/top of the throat that sounds somewhat like the "ch" in the English colloquialism "blech," and is usually written "kh." Although Farsi (aka Persian) is a different language than Arabic, it uses an almost identical script and thus this hard "h" is used in the name Ayatollah Khomeini. Lastly, there is a third "h" sound in Arabic, written differently than the first two (which are similar in appearance). This "h" is usually pronounced the same as we would in English, i.e. "heather" or "heat." 169.253.4.21 21:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahmed not Achmed 

message: An RfC has been opened here.-- User:RyanFreisling @ 22:35, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC opened for Mr j galt

message: Question to be answered:  Chalabi is listed in the Wiki Article "Iraqi Transitional Government" as a Deputy Prime Minister, yet this article reads as if he is no longer part of the Iraqi Government.  I suggest you review this and make an adjustment, even if it is a short paragraph at the end to state:  "Chalabi was (elected|appointed) as Deputy Prime Minister on (date) with responsibilities (whatever they are).
Thanks
Mike (Mcrawford01)
Mcrawford01 07:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question to be answered?  

message: That the Islamic Army In Iraq didnt succeed in assasinating him, they came so close.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.248.159.240 (talk) 18:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too bad 

message: This article tends to veer toward a proxy of USA political debates.  While these issues are important, they should not be at the expense of the treatment of the subject from a more non-USA perspective.  See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias. —  AjaxSmack  07:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well he spent much of his life in the U.S., and arguably most of his notability stems from his actions in the U.S. advocating for invasion. Is there a specific example of your issue with the article? CKCortez (talk) 05:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: USA bias

message: :formatted Listing Port (talk) 04:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iranian affiliation 

message: This half-sentence is just a hint on how far this page is from being fit for an encyclopedia: 
* When was that, initially? 
* Who were those unnamed members of the US government? 
* What nature were these alleged relationships? 
Other examples: 
* fallen out of favor (whose favor?)
* is currently under investigation by several U.S. government sources: Since when? Which government bodies (or sources)?
* Chalabi was also part of a three-man executive council... : who were the other two?
* the Iraqi National Congress (INC), created (...) for the purpose of fomenting the overthrow of (...) Saddam Hussein : well, fomenting is hardly NPOV.
* it never had any influence or any following to speak of : probably means it had some influence or following not to speak of, as after being non existent (or unspeakable) this influence "gradually waned until the December 2005 elections."
* "[Chalabi] is a controversial figure" very much sounds like a highly controversial statement.
* Nearly all, if not all, of this information has turned out to be of questionable accuracy. The very phrase "of questionable accuracy" is of unquestionable inaccuracy, i.e. highly questionable and totally lacking any degree of accuracy. Do we mean "false" ou "unproved" or whatever: if so, why not boldly say so? And is it "all" or "nearly all" (meaning what?) of this info that is so questionable: is it for the reader to decide? Isn't an encyclopedia supposed to provide information, rather than unanswered questions?
* He is "said to have political contacts with (...)": Just who says so? What kind of contacts?
And so on...
At least this opening paragraph needs serious improvement, by people who know the subject matter much better than I do (which is not much of a challenge, really :))
Stefan Ivanovich (talk) 23:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Initially, Chalabi enjoyed close political and business relationships with some members of the U.S. government" 

message: Honestly with absolutely no threat intended im really wondering how it is that a political figure like him survived? Wouldnt the Saddam Hussein administration take him out? If there was trully a war about to begin with the United States and Saddam Hussein and his administration wouldnt the forst person to go would be the traitor of iraq? I'm just surprised how hes alive and clearly a United States suporter (and western supporter. This guy is loaded because of Saddam Hussein's toppling  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.31.254 (talk) 19:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is he allive? 

message: A section really needs to be added with respect to his embezzlement conviction in Jordan.
The following is a link from The Guardian on this subject.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/14/iraq.davidleigh
There is a wealth of information on this subject.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.182.56.5 (talk) 22:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embezzlement, Theft, Misuse of Depositor Funds and Currency Speculation in Jordan 

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