Talk:William Murray, 1st Earl of Mansfield

message: In 1747, he helped Lord Hardwicke write and pass an act to abolish the old hereditary positions in Scotland. In 1751 he drafted the government response to an attempt by the King of Prussia to frustrate neutral shipping, which Lord Stowell called "the foundation of the modern law of neutrality", and Montesquieu described it as a "résponse sans réplique" (response without a reply).Fifoot (1936) p. 37
I believe that "résponse sans réplique" is better translated as "response without a peer" or a "peerless" or "unparalleled" response, but since the citation of the reference follows the published version, then the translation of "réplique" as "reply" may come from that original.  For that reason I have not changed it, but someone with access to the cited source may be able to deal with this. Keepitshort (talk) 14:29, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Member of Parliament

message: Why were [these edits http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Murray,_1st_Earl_of_Mansfield&diff=501542357&oldid=501540498] reverted?  It was cited to the Oxford Journal of Legal Studies which is clearly a reliable source, and there are plenty of other points in this article that are cited to a single source (e.g. Jeremy Krikler's theory that Mansfield decided the Zong as he did to avoid overcomplicating the law of maritime insurance).  I don't see how the reverted additions are in any way different (and shouldn't Wikipedia be presenting the range of academic views rather than picking one?). Also, surely the addition of a citation to the report of Gregson v. Gilbert  in the ER is as non-controversial as it gets?  Why revert that? --92.40.106.58 (talk) 15:27, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it added one citation halfway through an entire paragraph of text, and that doesn't justify the whole chunk. Ironholds (talk) 15:59, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for replying.  The cited source supports everything added to the paragraph.  The place where the views are attributed to the author of he source seemed the most logical place to insert a reference, hence it's position.  --92.41.14.116 (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense. So, our position is to add citations after each statement that could be queried or requires verification: these citations should be as precise as possible (to specific pages rather than the journal article or book as a whole, for example). If you can point out which bit is referenced to which I'm happy to re-add it, or (if you're comfortable with editing) you can add it again, and I'll go through and make necessary tweaks after you're done. Ironholds (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zong additions 

message: I've just uploaded :File:Jean-Baptiste van Loo - William Murray, 1st Earl of Mansfield - Google Art Project.jpg (see right), feel free to use if useful. Dcoetzee 23:34, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New portrait 

message: Mansfield did not find that slavery "was not binding law", therefore not enforceable in England. Even if he had, this had nothing to do with the slave trade overseas (both because it was outside English court jurisdiction, and because most slave traders were not English. Therefore the second part of the sentence "although this did not end slave trafficking altogether" is wrong.
The case has been almost universally misrepresented. As Mansfield himself said in the case of R v Inhabitants of Thames Ditton, "The determinations [in Somerset] go no further than that the master cannot by force compel him to go out of the kingdom". He did not find that slavery was not legal.Royalcourtier (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavery in England and slave trade different matters 

message: There is an entirely incorrect claim that Mansfield treated Dido Belle as a slave. One of the cited sources makes no mention of Dido Belle at all (Siva) and I can't find a copy of the other. Every other sources claims she was raised as part of the family and some state she was Britain's first black aristocrat.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.24.203 (talk) 20:16, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Claim he treated his niece Dido Belle as a slave

message: Text and references copied from Joseph Baena to Lord Mansfield.  See former article for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:46, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Attribution