Talk:List of countries and territories by number of land borders

message: The border of Ukraine is much longer-5638
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Border_of_Ukraine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ізяслав (talk • contribs) 13:38, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the border of Ukraine 

message: The table lists Canada's  border as 8,893 km. At Canada – United States border, you can see the international border lengths  of all of the states that border Canada. If you add up these lengths, you arrive at 8,890 km (Alaska 2,475 + Michigan 1,160 + Maine 983 + Minnesota 880 + Montana 877 + New York 716 + Washington 687 + North Dakota 499 + Ohio 235 + Vermont 145 + New Hampshire 93 + Idaho 72 + Pennsylvania 68). This  is pretty  much in line with what is listed in the table. It is probably off due to rounding. But, that isn't my point. My point is much of Canada's 8,893 km of border is on water, not land. All of Michigan's 1,160 km of border is on water, all of Ohio's 235 km of border is on water, all of Pennsylvania's 68 km of border is on water, most of Minnesota's 880 km of border is on water, most of New York's 716 km of border is on water, and some of Washington's 687 km of border is on water. Canada's border length, therefore, is way overstated. 198.212.237.48 (talk) 10:26 am, 23 March 2011, Wednesday (4 months, 12 days ago) (UTC−7)
:I believe borders on lakes, rivers, and other internal waters count as "land borders". There should be something in the intro to clear that up. Thanks for pointing it out. --Lasunncty (talk) 1:35 pm, 23 March 2011, Wednesday (4 months, 12 days ago) (UTC−7)
::Thanks. Yes, I just got tripped up by this for the Tanzania-DROC border. The data in the table is misleading without this definition. Bderrett (talk) 22:52, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I guess that clarification never got made.  Anyway, it is done now.  --Lasunncty (talk) 10:22, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Land?  

message: Why not include maritime neighbors? Iggi 01:35, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, two reasons, really. First, because the list currently in was generated by a script that ran over the CIA pages, which doesn't contain that information (as far as I can see) and secondly, because I'm clueless as to what a maritime neighbor is. The old page had it, but I haven't yet overcome my laziness to merge the info from the old page into my "complete" list (which, as I said, was generated from scratch.). If you could point me to a place where I can get such info, I'll see what I can do. --gcbirzan (talk) 03:57, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This list deals with land borders. Perhaps you can start a list on maritime borders, which is controversial because some countries are still in disagreement on where lies the border between high sea and EEZ. --Kvasir (talk) 21:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Relevant point, but lakes and rivers are treated as land when it comes to borders.  As for the Caspian Sea, its status as either lake or sea is currently disputed. --Lasunncty (talk) 08:31, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maritime neighbors 

message: Regarding Saccerzd's question posted in the edit history: The EU is an international organization and thus not a sovereign state. This entity borders the states and dependencies listed under the letter "E", plus - technically - also Brazil, Suriname and the Netherlands Antilles (on the island of Saint Martin). :] //Big Adamsky 00:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: European Union

message: The Indian government maintains that it has a border with Afghanistan, since it believes the POK is a part of Indian Kashmir and POK has a northwestern border with Afghan. Should this be added too as a note since the featured article India talks about this oft ignored fact? Idleguy 08:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian border 

message: In light of the work done by Mandelbrot in his paper How Long Is the Coast of Britain? Statistical Self-Similarity and Fractional Dimension and the work done by Lewis Fry Richardson, it seems that this article should mention how the borders are measured and what scale of measurement is used.  I'm a little confused because it seems to me that stating a country's border as being x kilometres means nothing unless these things are specified.
18.248.5.226 05:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How are border lengths measured? 

message: A number of countries do not actually border each other directly as there is a neutral territory between them, sometimes armed by UN forces. Examples of these are on Cyprus, Korea, UNDOF Zone, between Lebanon and Israel, between Gilbraltar and Spain, etc. How or should these be reflected? --Kvasir 06:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutral territories

message: How can Spain border Morocco, and Morocco border Spain - but the European Union not border Morocco? I always thought Spain was a full member of the European Union? 58.160.120.16 07:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: European Union

message: Interesting to note that according to this list, Mongolia has a border of 3,543km with Russia, whilst in return, Russia has a border of only 3,485km! Sacre bleu! How can this be? Who created this list - and would you care to explain where exactly these 58km go? jkm 19:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably different sources. It's impossible to measure this exactly, because borders are not straight. --2.245.88.139 (talk) 13:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Mongolia/Russia Border

message: Hello all,
I've done a big edit recently. Because of this, I think its fair I outline what I did. Here we go:
*The islands of Bassas da India, Europa Island, Glorioso Islands, Juan de Nova Island, and Tromelin Island were listed separately. This is incorrect. Since February 2007, these islands are a part of the French Southern and Antarctic Lands.
*In the same month, Saint Barthelemy and French Saint Martin spilt from Guadeloupe. This reduced the length of their border from 10.4 km to zero. Also this reduced the number of countries that bordered all of France from 11 to 10.
*Saint Barthelemy and French Saint Martin have been added. The change in Guadeloupe's border goes to French Saint Martin.
*I have also fixed the status of the other French territories. The edit of Clipperton Island's status is based of a recent change to ISO 3166-2. - Thanks, Hoshie 12:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent edit 

message: Kosovo is an independent and sovereign state. Therefore, it should appear on the "J-L" list, as it borders Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, and the Republic of Macedonia.--Arbër (Let's Talk) 11:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kosovo 

message: I believe that it is very possible that there may be a quadripoint existing in the border among these countries, depending ultimately upon what the legal definition of the border is. If this is the case, then the Botswana/Zambia border should be zero length, and there should also be a Namibia/Zimbabwe border, also of zero length. See the Wikipedia articles for Kasane, Botswana and Kazungula, Zambia, as well as the Caprivi Strip article. Backspace (talk) 19:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In theory, a zero length border means that a border does not exist between opposite countries. According to the CIA world fact book on Zambia, the border between Botswana and Zambia, if exist, is undelimited. The entry does not list Botswana as a neighbour country, however. See transnational issue for Zambia: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/za.html . If such a border exist, there would be no quadripoint. The Kazungula article says Bostwana fronts 1.6km of the Zambezi, which means the distance between the corners of Zimbabwe and Nambia is 1.6km apart. --Kvasir (talk) 21:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Botswana]] / [[Namibia]] / [[Zambia]] / [[Zimbabwe]] [[quadripoint]]

message: The  seems to contain an assertion that is incompatible with the facts in this article.  I am not sure it is necessary.  Deletion was proposed once before but didn't go through.  I can't see why one would have a separate article and one that seems to contain inaccurate information.  The fact about the longest shared border could be highlighted in this list. --Matilda talk 22:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal from article on [[Longest border]] 

message: Instead of having the redundant section on List of countries and territories by length of land borders, we can combine all the sectionised tables to make one big table that can have customisable sorting by name, border length, and number of neighbours by the reader. --Kvasir (talk) 21:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesn't work very well, since sorting does not understand the numbers as numbers, but rather each digit together  So, after the 0s it starts with Israel at 1017 - the "lowest" number that starts with 1 - and ends with Burundi at 974!  Rendsburg (talk) 03:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sortable table

message: Now that this table is sortable, the separate page for number of neighbouring countries is redundant.  --Lasunncty (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed this article contains all the needed data, although a note column might be worth adding (like on that other page). Also at some stage it would be good if all the flags were added but thats not too important. This list is also far better as it includes overseas territories on their own, rather than on that page where it says UK borders spain lol.   BritishWatcher (talk) 13:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge with [[List of countries by number of neighbouring countries]]

message: A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries.  Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 12:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Discussion

message: These two countries appear to have a short 200m border on an artificial island in the King Fahd Causeway, but this isn't mentioned
Jamie|C 21:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bahrain/Saudi Arabia

message: * The table lists Indonesia's border with Malaysia as being 1782 km long and Malaysia's border with Indonesia as being 2019.5 km long. Now I don't know how long the border between these two countries is but I have to assume at least one of these figures is incorrect. And well beyond a reasonable margin of error. MK2 (talk) 04:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Indonesia and Malaysia

message: There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Lists of countries and territories - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RM bot 18:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: I just changed the total border length of the Central African Republic from 5203 to 5213 because that is the correct sum of the listed border lengths (797 + 1197 + 1577 + 467 + 692 + 483). However, my edit comment is incorrect because I wrote "from 5213 to 5203" while I meant the opposite (from 5203 to 5213).--178.203.194.154 (talk) 01:34, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Central African Republic: total border length 

message: At the website of renowned expert, Jan Krogh (http://geosite.jankrogh.com/kyrgyzstan.htm):
:"The      village of Barak is located on 40°40' N 72° 46' E. It is no geographical      exclave, but is surrounded by Uzbekistan in south, west and north. The use      of the term "exclave" may have been a misunderstanding due to      its location, relatively far from other Kyrgyz villages in the region.      Another      possibility is that it is referred to an ethnic exclave. Anyway as it in      January 2012 still has not been found on any map it is not likely this      exclave still is alive."
The mentions of Barak in the article as being an enclave should be removed.
Jeff in CA 21:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barak not an enclave 

message: Proposal: The section on Russia should include Abkhazia and South Ossetia in italics and the number of neighbouring countries increased to 16, compare this with China's 14+2, Hong Kong and Macau in italics. --68.238.164.242 (talk) 02:12, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abkhazia and South Ossetia 

message: France-Spain is not listed in the most separate segments of land borders between any two countries or territories althought there are 3:
1) Atlantic Ocean - Andorra 
2) Andorra - Mediterranean Sea
3) Llivia enclave
:Fixed. --Lasunncty (talk) 03:20, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  France-Spain 

message: Are there not four Cypriot enclaves within the territory?  Two villages, then a pair of enclaves at the power plant split by an A&D road? 176.248.105.34 (talk) 17:00, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyprus / Akrotiri and Dhekelia 

message: Russia and Belarussia border 2 times. Sankovo-Medvezhye is a Russian exclave in Belarussia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankovo-Medvezhye https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Медвежье-Саньково
In Estonia there is a Russian Dubki village. Dubki is an exclave. There is no direct land connection with Russia. border twice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubki,_Pechorsky_District,_Pskov_Oblast Stasyan117 (talk) 01:12, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russia / Belarussia 

message: As India - Sri Lanka land border in Adams Bridge does not exist according to
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z9mpZT8Fe69k.kvU5MUxqoHVc&hl=en_US
I will edit the page accordingly if no one opposes...
Luis wiki (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be a water boundary at the moment, but the islands in this chain seem to come and go fairly often.  Digital Globe shows that this border has been on land as recently as April last year.  Not sure how we should treat this in the article, though.  --Lasunncty (talk) 02:03, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  India - Sri Lanka land border in Adams Bridge 

message: If the border between those two entities is included in "shortest borders", surely it should qualify for "shortest border segment"? --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 23:40, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Ulkomaalainen The border between County Leitrim and County Donegal might be similarly short. Maybe those entities should be listed too? Or should I use your terminology and call it a border between Leitrim and Ireland (Donegal)? Frenchmalawi (talk) 19:28, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I may be misunderstanding what you're saying, but I am not trying to argue whether or not some border qualifies as a border for the list. However, I found it inconsistent that a border that qualifies for the list of shortest borders 'and' is short enough to also qualify for the "border segments" part, must qualify - or have a segment that qualifies - for the latter. So 'if' it is included in "shortest borders" it needs to go into "shortest border segments". Or be scrapped from "shortest borders". --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 14:13, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we've both identified the same inconsistency. We are agreed. This is Wikipedia where politics runs rife. I leave it to others to tackle the substantive inconsistency. Going by the inclusion of the Chinese region of Macau, they'll be listing borders between U.S. states, UK regions, DPRK regions and Russian regions next. Frenchmalawi (talk) 14:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  China - Macau 

message: The border runs for a total of Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland, 1999MFPP Working Paper No. 2, "The Creation and Consolidation of the Irish Border" by KJ Rankin and published in association with Institute for British-Irish Studies, University College Dublin and Institute for Governance, Queen's University, Belfast (also printed as
IBIS working paper no. 48). The article reports a much shorter length. I will change this if no one objects. If there are objections, please let me know source for length given in the article. Frenchmalawi (talk) 19:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong length given for Ireland - United Kingdom border. 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: How is the number of unique land borders decided? For many countries (like Finland-Russia, Syria-Turkey) I can't figure out why it says there are multiple segments.
Emetzold (talk) 21:53, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unique Land Borders 

message: Discrepancy between two Wikipedia articles:
(1) "List of countries and territories by land borders"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_land_borders
Burkina Faso: 584 km (363 mi) Ghana: 668 km (415 mi) Guinea: 610 km (380 mi) Liberia: 716 km (445 mi) Mali: 532 km (331 mi)
Reference 1 =
"CIA World Factbook". April 15, 2007. Archived from the original on April 8, 2016.
http://www.ciaworldfactbook.us/africa/cote-d-ivoire.html
"Geography"
Border countries: Burkina Faso 584 km, Ghana 668 km, Guinea 610 km, Liberia 716 km, Mali 532 km
(2) "Geography of Ivory Coast"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Ivory_Coast
Liberia: 778 km (483 mi) Ghana: 720 km (450 mi) Guinea: 816 km (507 mi) Burkina Faso: 545 km (339 mi) Mali: 599 km (372 mi)
Concur with
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iv.html#
"border countries (5): Burkina Faso 545 km, Ghana 720 km, Guinea 816 km, Liberia 778 km, Mali 599 km"
Fortydollars (talk) 09:31, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cote d'Ivoire's Border Discrepancy  

message: If someone has a lot of spare time on their hands, the links on here could be linked to the individual border pages: :Category:International borders.WisDom-UK (talk) 20:48, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to unique border pages 

message: The borders of Germany listed seem to contradict the source that is provided (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ez.html). I can't really tell why this is, so unless anyone has any objection to me doing so, I will modify these border lengths to the lengths listed in the source.
--DylanClarkWebb (talk) 16:34, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Border lengths of Germany 

message: These border lengths correspond to absolutely nobody's current estimates - not the CIA World Fact Book's, not the countries' governments', not the individual Wikipedia border articles', not anybody's, using any conceivable granularity of measurement.  The lengths are under-reported across the board.  Did somebody just use a ruler to come up with them?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.13.247 (talk) 23:26, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this article just meant to spread misinformation? 

message: Ref:  – :  near Kazungula, which is in the middle of the Zambezi river. --Eivindgh (talk) 20:22, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally yes. It's land as opposed to maritime. CMD (talk) 11:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is a land border also over fresh water bodies, e.g. rivers? 

message: The length of total land borders and each of them for Iran differs from the amounts which are given in the article Geography of Iran.
What's the reason for these differences?
Also, while it is mentioned that the Azerbaijan-Iran border has two segments, the number given is just for the length of border between Azerbaijan proper and Iran, excluding Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. Aminabzz (talk) 13:13, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iran 

message: Abkhazia and South Ossetia are currently the only unrecognized (as in, non UN member or observer) states featured on this list, (though Western Sahara is mentioned in the entries for bordering countries, it lacks one for itself)
Artsakh, Transnistria, Western Sahara, and Somaliland should be given their own sections for consistency. I can't find any info on the length of Artsakh's border, but the other three should be fairly easy to source (although the Moroccan berm probably complicates matters for SADR in figuring out the de facto border length)
Niue and the Cook Islands, counted on Wiki's own list of sovereign states, are also absent, but since they're island nations with no land borders, I don't think adding them is as pressing as the other four. Crazy Boris (talk) 19:57, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unrecognized Countries 

message: Your primary source of data is cia.gov as listed in references. But you are not up to date with it. Almost every listed border there has different longness. Your data often mismatch when comparing border of country A with B and viceversa. On example Azerbaijan and Iran or Turkmenistan and Afganistan. I'm confused about your modus operandi. 95.168.105.16 (talk) 14:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country borders not updated at all 

message: The two share a short border on an artificial islands near the middle of the King Faud Causeway, as seen here. Is there a reason for it not being included or is it an oversight? Nintentoad125 (talk) 19:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bahrain-Saudi Arabia? 

message: The Antartic Treaty only stop countries to make new claims in antartica but does not affect previous territorials claims. While the internal status of those territory depends on each country, it is clear that the borders as claimed just before the Antartic Treaty are legitimate land borders. As such I think it would be reasonable to include those borders, although the length and number of borders will most likely lead to even more discussions. Megamasterbloc (talk) 17:31, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antartic Treaty and land borders 

message: As explained in France–United Kingdom border the Treaty of Canterbury define a land border in the Channel tunnel. Should this border be included and if it is, what would be it's length ? Megamasterbloc (talk) 17:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treaty of Canterbury, France-UK border