Talk:Dana Rosemary Scallon

message: I have heard that her favourite type of cake is strawberry cake but I can't find a citation anywhere. Can anyone send me a link? - A concerned Dananite
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I don't think she went to America in the eighties and didn't return until 1997 - her son was at my primary school a few years below me. I attended that school until 1993 and I clearly remeber going to her house in the late 80s/early 90s when a younger friend was attending a birthday party. 
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I thought her name was Rosemary Brown.  Is one of these her married surname? Deb 21:21 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
Yes, she is married to Damien Scallon and has used his surname rather than her maiden name since their marriage in the 1970s. During the 1997 presidential election, to ensure people recognised her, she got onto the ballot paper as Dana Rosemary Scallon JTD 21:44 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
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I have problem with the following line:
Most political experts predict that she will lose her European Parliament seat when in the next European election the number of Irish seats is reduced from 15 to 13.
Whoever wrote this doesn't understand what a political comeback is. STV aside, there is always A chance that Dana could make a comeback and be reelected as an MEP in 2004. Whoever wrote this doesn't remember the comeback of Bill Clinton in 1996. When the GOP won Congress in 1994, the "political experts" predicted that Clinton would lose in '96. As history shows, Clinton won a strong victory in 1996 by defeating Bob Dole by eight points in 1996.
Bottom line: This line is POV. It is removed.
Actually it isn't and the above writer is completely missing the point:
1. Clinton was from a mainstream political party with a party organisation behind him to deliver votes. Dana is an independent without party affiliations or an organisation with a haphazard coterie of backers. 
2. Most of her support base relied on pro-life voters. She has since alienated much of them by siding with extreme pro-life elements in a referendum on abortion. In the referendum on abortion mainstream anti-abortion groups supported what they regarded as a weak anti-abortion amendment but one which not merely was the best they could get but the last they were ever likely to get. A few fanatics on the far right fringe rejected it as too weak and promised they would get a better one. A combination of extreme pro-life, pro-choice and pro-abortion groups separately but on the one side united to defeat the mainstream pro-life group. Public opinion is overwhelmingly against any more votes on the issue and she personally is blamed by mainstream pro-lifers for the defeat of what they believe was the last ever chance to strength the law from a pro-life perspective. (A fact proven to be correct by a blanket refusal of any politician to call for another vote, while the third largest national party is now supporting the introduction of abortion) She support base has collapsed, as shown in her performance when she ran for Dáil Éireann in the 2002 general election, where she humiliatingly lost her deposit. Though very high profile as an MEP and a former presidential candidate, and predicted to be in the running for the last seat in the constituency, he bombed spectacularly badly, limping in with a tiny vote that had no impact on the outcome and made her election in that election an impossibility. 
3. In 1999 she entered the race as a political newcomer with few negative traits, having got good exposure in the 1997 presidential election. In 2004 she will go into the race as a controversial associate for far right pro-life organisations. So the novelty factor that was her appeal in 1999 won't exist in 2004. In 1999 she was able to pick up over 72,000 votes in a large euro-constituency. In 2002 in a far smaller general election constituency, where 1999 she had picked up tens of thousands that went to her final euro vote tally, she got a miserable 1600, so back she humiliatingly lost her deposit, the ultimate political humiliation that for a once successful electoral candidate usually spells the deathknell of their electoral career. 
3. With the reduction in seat numbers from 15 to 13 (and 12 the next election after that), the boundaries in all the Euro-constituencies are expected to be changed, with Meath moving from Leinster to Dublin, her strongholds of Monaghan and possibly Cavan moving to Leinster, and Clare, where she has no organisation but where her biggest challengers for the third seat, Fianna Fáil have a very large one, moving to Connacht-Ulster. (Fianna Fáil often wins of out of four seats in that Dáil constituency. It was a Fianna Fáil seat she took in Connacht-Ulster. For her to win again, she needs
(a) Fianna Fáil to do exceptionally badly (a possibility given the current Irish public conviction that they lied to win he last general election, their popularity now plummeting as a result, but the inclusion of Clare if it comes about should strengthen its Connacht-Ulster challenge);
(b) Fine Gael to do badly (a possibility given the electoral drubbing it got in the last general election, as the fact that its longterm MEP Joe McCartain is retiring, though they may have a strong replacement);
(c) Sinn Féin not to enter the race and if they do not to do well. (They will and probably will, possibly making them a challenger for the third seat);
(d) No strong alternative independent to arrive on the scene. (Her rival in 1999, Marian Harkan, is now a TD and unlike Dana has broadened not narrowed her appeal. If she runs, it probably means curtains for Dana.).
All four are unlikely to happen but without all four, Dana is in deep electoral trouble. In 1999, as a good speaker who has impressed in the presidential election, she had a strong cross party appeal that helped earn her crucial lower preferences. In 2004, her achievements in the presidential election have been overshadowed by the widespread belief that she has marginalised herself since, supporting the losing side in the abortion poll and associating with groups that most supporters of most parties would not want to associate with. So her transfer appeal has been severely limited, in contrast to some like Harkan who has broadened not narrowed her appeal since 1999. 
In the circumstances to compare Clinton or other comback kids, with a professional organisation and vast resources, to a situation of an independent candidate, alienated from most of her original supporters, in a competitive constituency with different boundaries, thanks to a reduction in the number of seats, and in which her declining electoral appeal is also evidenced by her disastrous electoral bid in 2002, is misleading. The fact that her own remaining supporters are already questioning whether she should even run again shows the status of her appeal and the fact that her re-election is unlikely. In view of that I am re-inserting the line, which is simply an accurate summary of the consensus across all parties and none and including her own few remaining sypprters. FearÉIREANN 21:56, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: * Dana (singer) → Dana Rosemary Scallon. This article was unilaterally moved by a user. Dana was once just a a singer. However for over a decade she has been primarily a politician  who was an MEP and ran for the presidency of Ireland. Calling her just a singer is no longer accurate. Many people who know of her today aren't aware of his old musical career and only know her as a politician. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 18:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've renamed the proposed rename to that. That is a good option. It is her politician's name and includes her musical career name. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 07:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move

message: Firstly 'have removed the red link to granted citizenship in the 90s. User:Barlinerchat
Secondly have removed reference to her being a US citizen. She may well be, but this needs a source citing, especially as it has also been said that she was not a dual citizen, and if she was not an Irish Citizen she could not have been nominated as a candidate for President of Ireland in 1997 and 2004. The minutes of Kerry County Council (www.kerrycoco.ie/minutedocs/Minutes%20of%20September%202004%20meeting.rtf) clearly refer to her as a "loyal citizen" who was nominated in 1997 and 2006. I believe further references to her citizenship need citations in support,   User:Barlinerchat
:Don't believe she can be described as a British catholic singer songwriter and politician.  In this context are least "Irish" can be seen as describing her Irish catholicism, very different from British Catholicism, her songs are definitely  Irish and her political career definitely Irish.
User:Barlinerchat 19 July 2007
::If she was born in London, and her parents were from Londonderry (OFFICIAL NAME: even the council weren't allowed to change the local signs) then that makes her BRITISH and not IRISH, since Londonderry is in Northern Ireland.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.171.235.115 (talk) 10:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship 

message: 1)I tried an inline dispute tag, but that was simply removed with a comment about SSNs.  These are available to those applying for an immigrant visa so not necessarily proof of citizenship. User:Barlinerchat 11:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Barliner. Using Google, I can't find any mention of her being a US citizen. Iwillfollowyou 16:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither have I, but HM Revenue and Customs describes the effects of double taxation agreement between Britain and the US  For some reason they chose the to call one of their fictional characters Dana User:Barliner    chat 17:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd say it's correct because she'd want to know she had been successfully nominated before moving the family back to Ireland. Iwillfollowyou 16:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: According to her autobiography, she was born in Frederica St; Islington, London. There are over 4 pages describing her 5 years spent there. It also mentions this in the blurb of her 1990 compilation album. Her website stating she was born in Derry is probably due to her wanting a quiet life—if it mentioned she was born in London it would confuse everyone—like it's doing here! Iwillfollowyou 19:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

text: If she is a US citizen while now living in Ireland, it shouldn't matter too much because she's always visiting the place. Less queuing on entry as well I suppose. Iwillfollowyou 16:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute banner,  citizenship etc 

message: I've removed a few bits of text from this entry. Please do not reinsert them without finding a reliable source for the information. Thank you. Phil Sandifer 21:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed text

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message: This article needs a fresh start, preferably written by people who aren't self-proclaimed fans. If people want to read her biography they can go and buy it somewhere.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.143.239 (talk) 14:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearly biased and poorly written 

message: I have read this bio and it is clearly very biased and written from by either a fan, fanatic, or Dana's family. There are many inconsistencies between what is here and what is available on line from several sites like Dana's own. If you research any of the sites that have published information on her then you quickly get a snapshop of the fact someone close to Dana or a FAN is keeping a close watch over this page.
I didn't think this was what Wilipedia was about.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.23.94.89 (talk) 00:42, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very biased and not factual 

message: Ireland does not compete on an all-Ireland basis at Eurovision, thus I have once again removed the claim that Dana represented a united Ireland. While that might have been her personal aspiration or belief, it is of no relevance since she did not represent an all-Ireland entry. In addition the information was improperly cited, and birthplaces do not generally go in the lead. O Fenian (talk) 09:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed false information

message: Trawling through the overly-detailed article, I have attempted a major cleanup and pruning back to cover the main points of her career. Hopefully it's better and the article tone more neutral. It could probably use more work and it certainly still needs citations.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 13:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I've proposed that all articles on candidates on the upcoming presidential election be semi protected until the 28th of October. This is owing to all of these articles coming under increasing pressure from vandals and unregistered/newly-registered editors with obvious axes to grind.
I've opened a general discussion on this at at WikiProject Ireland. --RA (talk) 17:52, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  General semi-protection for candidates in the upcoming presidential election 

message: Since it is publicly admitted by Dana now, the 1st line of her Wikipedia article should read that she is a dual Irish and American singer and former MEP - not Irish - she isn't only Irish anymore.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Saipan101 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but Irish-American is not correct here either .Murry1975 (talk) 11:03, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree Irish-American is not correct. Mo ainm~Talk 20:45, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Since she was born in London, England and grew in Derry she should be tri-national. Irish-British-American. That looks a bit awkard, maybe we should just say Dana is International! Snappy (talk) 20:29, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: I was amazed to find no photo for her in the article. Surely somebody has one?
Please at least add a photo of her to wp:COMMONS, so that any of us can then copy it into here.
Trafford09 (talk) 06:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A word of caution. Beware of potential copyvios. RashersTierney (talk) 10:01, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

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message: At the top of the "1970s – Eurovision victory and pop career" section. Should it be clarified that Dana's recording was released a week before she appeared in the contest, and was No. 1 during the contest? This seems important but it isn't clear in the text.Also, this article is much too long. Fishlandia (talk) 19:24, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "The streets were lined with well-wishers when the Eurovision winner arrived home. The Troubles had not long started and her achievement gave the locals something to cheer about" - looking for cite-able material for this important information, at Google Books I found The Derry Anthology, which has only snippet views but appears to contain an excerpt from Dana's autobiography on her homecoming. An old edition of this page might be quoting her autobio in a description to the effect of, People lined the streets cheering for 15 miles, she was carried on people's shoulders "like a carcass", She fell asleep to the sound of people outside her house singing the song. "All Kinds of Everything" includes an explanation of how politics affected the Irish contest but is also uncited. Fishlandia (talk) 20:43, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: Can we clarify her year of birth?  It can't be that obscure. PatGallacher (talk) 16:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The major sources that mention it say 1951 so it should be accurate.  23impartial (talk) 18:02, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Year of birth