Talk:Honeymoon

message: Why does suddenly the article start assuming that ther word origin is Turkish and come up with a far-fetched explanation of this alleged mistranslation?
Didn't the English word "month" come about as a shortening of "moonth"?
*The Turkish stuff is bogus. "Honeymoon" is defined as "the first month or so after marriage". The derivation is obvious. FYI, the actual derivation of "moon" and "month" are the Anglo-Saxon "mona" and "monath" respectively. The Latin for month is "mensis", although the Latin moon goddess is called "Luna". And there is no shortage of lunatics on this site. Wahkeenah 00:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish? 

message: The article says in India the honeymoon is called 'suhaag raat.' The Oxford Hindi-English Dictionary (page 1033) defines that term as wedding night, which of course is also its literal meaning. I don't see how this could refer to a period beyond the first night. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dcamp314 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  India 

message: It states in the article on Bride kidnapping#In history that the honeymoon is a possible relic from the days of "marriage by capture". No sources are provided at that article, however, but it may be interesting to research. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 10:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relic of bride kidnapping? 

message: I've heard that "honeymoon" comes from one of the folk names for the June moon in English, Honey or Mead Moon. It used to be considered auspicious to marry in June (and still is a popular month) and the moon name got re-used. Is this true? I think this at least deserves a mention, if only to say it's a folk etymology.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.59.171 (talk) 00:05, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin of term 

message: If it is true that it was a custom to give the couple enough honey mead for a month, the origins of the term are clear.  However I am somewhat skeptical of this story.  What sources are available to verify this theory?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 06:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honey/Mead 

message: The "mead" explanation is dubious. The sources supplied are not scholarly works concerning etymology, they are popular books providing popular stories about the etymology of this word. Unless someone can come up with a reliable source that supports this etymology then this explanation should go. SQGibbon (talk) 23:44, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been over a week and since there are no objections (or comments of any kind) I've deleted that part of the article. SQGibbon (talk) 02:38, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: According to Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, the astrophysicist, the word Honeymoon stems from a physical effect. In June the moon never gets high in the sky and the moon´s color stays ember during that time. Therefor: Honey Moon.
A quick image search on Google seems to support his idea:
https://www.google.com/search?q=moon+june+color&tbm=isch 
I`m obviously not a native English speaker, so maybe someone finds the time to add this as possible explanation to the wiki article. 
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BHQIasisqY&t=3182
37.201.240.59 (talk) 23:04, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honey moon: According to Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson 

message: The paragraph starting "There are many words of similar meaning in other languages" appears to me to be unsupported folk linguistics. It has not a single citation to its name and there is no reason to suppose that any or all of these usages are not simply recent borrowings, just as most languages have a term that means "automobile" and is a borrowed word. I would argue that the paragraph should be struck.
Poihths (talk) 14:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folk linguistics 

message: I made changes because th etymology section of this article did not meet Wikipedia standards.  Etymologies should have historical references to the earliest known source, as is the case for the Oxford Dictionary entries.  Fanciful stories, no matter how appealing, are not a substitute for an etymology with historical documentation.  I went ahead and made the following changes:
1. Deleted the story about the honeybee queens.  This is an even more fanciful story than the one about honey mead, and it has no reference listed, and also none that I could find. Feel free to add it back under "fanciful stories" paragraph below, if a proper reference is found. 
2. Moved the paragraph on the French calque up, since related words in other languages may (or may not) have had a historical relationship with the origin of the word.   I joined this paragraph with the statements about the Persian term.  There is no reference for the Persian term, so one might presume that this too is a calque (a borrowed word).  However, it is not clear that the English and Persian terms are all related, though they literally have the same meaning, and it is easy enough to find the Persian term in English-Persian dictionaries.  
3. Moved the section on Honey-Mead to the end, since the evidence indicates that this story is a late attribution to the word, and is not the historical basis for the term. I did not delete this section, even though it is not truly part of the etymology, because it is referenced.  mattelfesso (talk) 22:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology edits