Talk:The Order (white supremacist group)

message: Correcting factual errors throughout.Keltic 02:41, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on Frazier Glenn Miller, he ought to at least be mentioned, altho probably not in that fashion. But I don't think it's non-NPOV (as the person who removed it said), if there was some specific source about him being viewed as a rat. --Mairi 06:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would consider using the term "rat" as NPOV --Threatis 02:36, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry that my comment wasn't clear; I agree that the quoted sentence isn't NPOV. But if we can find and attribute it to a specific source (and it ought to be possible, if it's the view of many people as claimed), I think it could be included NPOVly. --Mairi 01:32, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Keep the two articles separate.67.72.98.45 22:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various concerns 

message: I've rolled back some long and rhetorical additions over the last few days. If there's a significant theoretical contribution by Mathews to the white supremacist ideology, that should probably be added at Robert Jay Mathews. If there's an identifying ideology that sets The Order apart from the mainstream of white supremacy, that should be put here. Otherwise, theoretical discussions should probably stay at white supremacy. --ESP 14:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is written as an advertisement for white supremacy and neofascism.  The Order was white supremacist and antisemitic terrorist group, not a philosophical society that happened to have run-ins with law enforcement.--Cberlet 14:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rollback 

message: Where did this "That the presence, history, and manifestations representing a 'unified European' heritage were being reduced either by design or happen-chance to such an extent, that no honorable man or woman could, or would, remain silent." come from? I can't find it in Flynn and Gerhadt, who wrote the definitive work on them.  It should either have a reference or be replaced by something a little more comprehensible.  DonSiano 21:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Even fascist white supremacist revolutionaries can edit here on Wikipedia, but still have to cite to published sources, rather than organically channeling WOTAN text through the gene pool.--Cberlet 15:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideology 

message: The website that advocates freeing the order should be put on the links section or as a reference. Many WN's veiw the order as political prisoners, they tried a 2nd one according to the ADL and some more skinheads marched on a federal building demanding they be freed. --[Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.4.233 on 03:32, 16 December 2006]
:Wikipedia is not an advocacy site and such an advocacy link would be inappropriate. --- Skapur 02:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: Attempts to vandalise this page are in violation of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Autarch (talk) 19:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism by 67.204.21.203 

message: Given the group's subversive nature, hostility towards certain ethnic groups and most importantly, their violent nature; wouldn't it be fair to classify them as a terrorist group?Shabeki (talk) 08:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been considered a terrorist group for quite some time. DN (talk) 21:48, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrorist Group? 

message: Has anyone read the FBI Files? They are located here on the FBI website: . Adamdaley (talk) 00:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  FBI Files 

message: Bias tag was added as this article seems very pro-Order and pro-racist, especially in its characterization of Order prisoners and alleged Order activities. Article needs editing to have more balance. The Moody Blue (Talk) 21:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias Tag Added 

message: From the top of the history section:
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The Order was founded by Robert Jay Mathews in late September 1983 at Mathews' farm near Metaline, Washington.[1] Matthews was baptized into the Mormon faith as a high schooler. He formed the "Sons of Liberty", an anti-communist militia mostly made up of Mormon survivalists and bearing little resemblance to the historical organization of the same name. A fundamental goal of The Order was ...
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So Robert Jay Mathews founded a militia called "Sons of Liberty", but since that is spliced in after talking about where he was from and what his religion was, it is not clear if it is purely incidental biographical information about the founder or whether it is exactly the same group.  Later on, it says the name of the order came from "The Turner Diaries", but doesn't state that the group's name was changed or whether it had two names or what. If it's not exactly the same thing, then a more precise description of the relationship between the groups would be nice. If it is exactly the same thing, then making that more explicit would be an improvement. JimCrayne (talk) 05:39, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sons of Liberty" and "The Order", same group? 

message: The info box says Key people: Robert Jay Mathews (leader). Apparently the group doesn't exist anymore, and Matthews died in 1984. But should we change it to say 'former leader'? He obviously isn't still the leader, but then again saying former might make it seem like the group does still exist. Thoughts?75.151.5.228 (talk) 17:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former leader? 

message: I think the key aspect of this piece is the very specific detail throughout the information given. The article does a great job giving the brief history of the group and the background effects of the initiation of the group and funding. This article also does have an encyclopedic tone through the various paragraphs. Some of the things that I would change or add to the article would be a section over recruiting for the group and how they were able to get members to join their ideology then and now. Ending the article I would have a section on the current status of the group today and whether or not the group is still active in their goals. One take away from your article that I will do with mine is including a funding section and how my group lays out their funding. TheBasher55 (talk) 14:56, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review (4/13) 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Under the heading "Funding", it states "Their later attacks were more effective, including several lucrative bank robberies, as well as bombings of a theater and a synagogue."  No source is provided for the latter claim, nor can I find mention of any synagogue in the US that was bombed after 1958. Can anyone explain, or provide the relevant source(s)? Thanks. Bricology (talk) 01:21, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bombed a synagogue"? 

message: As I've only had time to start, here's a couple more sources. Terrorism in America...', SUNY Press. White Robes and Burning Crosses: A History of the Ku Klux Klan from 1866, "FBI Informant Helped Put Hate in Its Place". Doug Weller talk 08:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Downfall and Tom Martinez