Talk:Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War

message: Why were these deleted? There was no reason at all to get rid of these.
A lot of work was ruined with this "trimming", pointless to delete something and give it a 'dicitonary' layout, as in two sentences instead of the hundreds that expalined the game before. I'm going to stop usuing this site, and surely others will too.
24.131.40.5 22:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aircraft & Characters 

message: Is it possible to format the section so we have two or three columns instead of all left-justified? I'd try to do it, but I have to go to class. I'm not talking about physically adjusting each line, just with the use of tags or some sort of meta-heading etc. IdoAlphaOmega 09:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Assault List

message: Hey Guys I added the Box Cover Art Zero cool1990 18:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice! F-15 eh? Guess this time AC team will use Eagles as their mascots just like they used tomcats extensively in AC5. BTW , I told you guys that Pixy likes F-15s. :) Chief of Naval Operations 17:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if you start with an F-15 in the game. That would be a uge boost from the crappy F-4 you normally start with.Burning phoneix 12:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. No one would bother buying any aircraft that inferior to F-15 otherwise. Besides in 1995 F-4 was still considered combat-worthly. Chief of Naval Operations 08:46, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover Art 

message: Well, according to the current time, Ace Combat Zero has been released in Japan. Is everyone ready to handle the influx of visitors/information? Personally, I'll stay away from this topic until it's released in North America. I don't want the game to be ruined for me. :P - RPharazon 22:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've played it and beaten it, and I would venture to say that I have a pretty good grasp on the mechanics of most things in the game, but I'm reluctant to start deluging this page with information regarding such things as the exact nature of the ranking system, etc. I'll probably hold off on doing major plot/story additions as well as mission descriptions for a little bit. In the worst-case scenario, I'll just have to put in a whole bunch of spoiler marks. IdoAlphaOmega 00:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Ido, does it have an english langauge option? I heard some rumors that you can switch to english for subtitles from options menu. BTW , you finished it one day? That's fast , man. Slam a QAAM to Rot 1's six for me. :) Chief of Naval Operations 08:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Close to 90% of the game is in English in one form or another. MOST of the menus are entirely in English with only a very few things in Japanese (options descriptions, and things like that), but they're pretty easy to figure out if you're familiar with the options of most games. All of the audio can be selected from either JP or EN when you start a new game, but subtitles come in only Japanese and two options: on or off. So, if you want to know what a de/briefing is about, just listen to the announcer. Anybody with a decent knowledge of English who has played Ace Combat 4 or 5 will be able to pick this game up with absolutely no problems. The only thing that I'm not sure about is how to "unlock" the Falken. It's definitely not memory-card data-based (most likely all S ranking somewhere or another). Yes, the game was a bit short on a single playthrough, but I've yet to beat every level on each M/S/K ranking. IdoAlphaOmega 16:18, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  1 method of unlocking the FALKEN and the X-02 is memory card based. You have to have AC4 and AC5 saves but the only catch is the saves have to be from AC4 and AC5 in the same region as your copy of AC0. In other words saves from North American copies of AC4 and AC5 wont work with a Japanese copy of AC0. DXPetti 04:48, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That'll come in handy. Is it based on if you have a save at all, if you beat the game, or if you beat the game on Ace or get all S ratings on missions or something? - RPharazon 17:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I finished AC0 for the first time tonight but I didn't unlock the X-02 or the FALKEN. I think it must be because my saves from AC4 and 5 are NTSC and my copy of AC0 is JAP. Looks like i'll have to do it the hard way :) DXPetti 11:33, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I got AC0 today, and unlocked the X-02 after beating the first mission. I have AC04 and AC5 saves, all beaten on Ace. Although the X-02 costs an exorbirant amount of money (200k-ish) and you can't afford it for most of the first playthrough. I have not unlocked the ADF-01 as of yet. AC0 is a wonderful game. In mission 7, I was 300 points from the 16000 point goal, when I got shot down by an unexpected missile. - RPharazon 03:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese Release

message: Why does it say "US release: April 25. Out in stores April 27." in the release box. I got it on April 26, and that was for Calgary, Alberta, Canada. It varies in place to place, as copies usually take longer/shorter to get to smaller places. I'm omitting the 'Out in stores' part until someone can give me a really good explanation. - RPharazon 21:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good explanation. The "Out in stores" part is not staying though. - RPharazon 13:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question!

message: In the mission 07 description it says that you have to attack Glatisant which is on the Ivrean line but in my game it's the hydrian line. Which one is correct?
*It's Mt.Ivrea, and the Hydrian line. -RPharazon 16:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ivrean Line?

message: The quotes are getting rather lengthy. I think we should delete them and put a link to the Wikiquote article there.
--72.139.78.65 00:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: This reads a lot less like an encyclopedia article than a GameFAQS walk-through.  It is not within the scope of a general encyclopedia to list every airplane in a game, nor how to earn every medal, nor list all of the characters and missions.  There is probably a game walk-through wiki out there that would gladly take this kind of information, but Wikipedia ain't it.  --Cyde↔Weys 15:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dunno, guess theres a rule or something in Wikipedia. :/ Burning phoneix 18:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs some major trimming 

message: The atomic bomb was dropped on August 6, not June 6 that was D-Day. I fixed the error. Noha307 21:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia: Atomic Bomb 

message: I can feel some strong morals coming on here, at the end of the game; but I cannot identify them. Somthing to do with borders. The last cutscene is important, any help?--Gerrado 12:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pixy realizes that his dream of a peaceful world is quixotic, naive crap. Zaku Two 23:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't believe so. Burning phoneix 07:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morals/ Themes 

message: Well first i think they should have a squadren maker. Where you make a squadren name, plane, colors, and pilot names. 
Ace Combat Zero had great music and Ace dogfights. So what they should do is make things kinda realistic like not haveing 10 on 2 aircraft. Now i want to know if anyone has a storyline that the new game should have. ONLINE GAMEPLAY MUST BE ADDED!
Dogfight Dialog by me
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you finish a bombing mission 
plane 2 "Nice work Cipher!"
plane 3 "Belkas supply line has been destroyed"
plane 2 "Yo Cipher! Ever hear the song 'The Candy Shop'?"
AWACS "Galm team four aircraft approching, theres no time to head back eleminate the enemy pilots and get back home"
plane 4 "Oh great Belkan Aces..."
plane 2 "So #4 this will be your first dogfight right?"
plane 4 "yeah."
Four enemy planes fly in
Enemy squadren is called 'Team Sabre'
put that music from mission three during the fight with indigo team
Sabre1 "Look Ustios best pilots"
Sabre2 "We're late."
Sabre1 "You pilots fight for a lost cause"
plane 2 "Lost cause!?"
Sabre1 "Target the leader"
after 35 secs
Sabre1 "Damn Ustios! How you get so good!?"
plane 3 "We fight for a right cause thats why!"
Sabre1 "No matter what side your on the country you serve is always good"
1 plane down by u or squad mate
Sabre1 "This is fun"
Sabre2 "Sabre 4 is down"
2nd palne down
Sabre1 "Those bastards!"
Sabre3 "don't let'em win this!"
3rd plane down
Sabre3 screams in pain
Sabre1 "Damn it! Those bastards know what their doing!"
plane 2 "Let me take'em down Cipher!"
Sabre1 "you! demon lord! how did you learn to fly so good?"
Final plane down
Sabre1 "Damn!!!!!"
plane 3 "Whoa that was a hell of a dogfight!"
AWACS "You did it again! good work guys! get over hear so we can celebrate!"
plane 2 "It's sad..."
plane 4 "what's sad?"
plane 2 "They sucked so badly! ha ha ha!"
End
IF YOU DIE THE DIALOG IS
plane 3 "Damn it!!!! Cipher is down!"
Sabre 1 "Wilddog 1 is down! ha! i knew they couldn't win!"
comments: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Villakid (talk • contribs) 03:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  my lil dialog for a mission. comments plaese. 

message: I've just completed the game (again) and I've watched the last cutscene. I think that the guy who says: "I bailed out here, the catain was gone. I've lived a comfartable life since then, and I probably have him to thank for that." Is PJ. You don't see his face but the camera is panning across pictures of two men, and a woman and two children. This could be a reference that PJ's girlfriend, who his wingmates annoy him about on various missions, has 2 children with PJ. You idiot! that's Gelb#2 not PJ.
As for the part with the airoplane part with flowers laid on it. Didn't it say that Cipher dissapeard after the mission (or war). So many peope who "Watched him go off on sortie" (Pixy), his 'fans' may presume he was killed. But that is just a assumation, because it shows Ciphr landing, doesn't it? Please post your thoughts on this. Thanks. --Gerrado 12:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PJ not dead! 

message: in the multiplayer there is a squad battle senario and Razgriz was there. Is there a way to fight Razgriz ib the Guanlet? I don't think you can face the Razgriz. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Villakid (talk • contribs) 02:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Razgriz duel in 2 player 

message: The quote that appears in the loading screen for the early missions was made by Blaise Pascal and goes as follows:
:For after all what is man in nature? A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
Franck Drake 16:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philosophy 

message: I think PJ might not be dead. In the last mission, he said he bought flowers for his girl. Maybe he ejected, and put these flowers next to his plane to mourn for it? Anyone have anything to say about this? 
Why would PJ mourn his plane? he can just get a new one. think about it.
*I have three comments on that: 1. Who mourns for their plane, no offense but it just sounds sort of stupid. 2. If he did survive why would he put the flowers near his plane, wouldn't he still give them to his girlfriend. 3. I'm not leaning to any side but, just because theres wreckage doesn't mean he's dead. Noha307 19:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PJ's Flowers 

message: This article is heavily decorated with images for the overly long squadron sections, might consider cleaning that up. Are the aircraft in game actually called, for example "F-15" or do they just look like the F-15 and have a different name in game? SpigotMap 17:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some are named in the article as they are in the game. As for clean-ups, the lay-out's already good as it is. Eaglestorm 02:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The layout might be good, but the article is mainly in universe information and speculation. Do the images actually add anything to article? What does an image of a patch tell someone about the game? SpigotMap 03:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decorations 

message: I personally think that we should keep the character section, although the editor who removed it said they were "un-notable", they are the "bosses" of certain levels, the "elite" Belkan Squardrons. I think we should re-add them. Cheers, JetLover (talk) 22:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the characters section because it was a very comprehensive and detailed list of characters whose significance is not made clear - it was a bit overkill. There was also very extensive use of non-free images, which sould not be used unless necessary, and did not have fair-use rationale. It would make for a better, more readable article to write a paragraph or so about the significant characters if this is needed. Miremare 22:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the removal of the character section 

message: In the game, there is a picture of Cipher and Pixy in their F-15's banking off to the right. It's a pretty neat shot, and is featured often. It's pretty important in the game (proof that Cipher exists) and I was wondering, maybe we could put it on the page. Here's a link to a pic:   Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 23:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't personally see that it would add much to the article, especially being a fair use image. SpigotMap 00:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A certain picture 

message: Anyone know what the lyrics are for that last mission song?  --Hydrokinetics12 (talk) 06:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zero lyrics 

message: Hello people!! I've read a theory in another wiki in which is implied that Cipher actually became Mobius 1. What do you think about that? I think it could make sense, after all there are only nine years of difference between the events of both games (Zero and 04). The article presents some evidence. --Dracomoth (talk) 23:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No it will not be a worthy addition and Namco never specifically stated anything to the fact. --Eaglestorm (talk) 03:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I think he fact that it is a worthy a addition or not is a matter of personal preference, and as so doesn't count as an argument to deny the possibility. Also the fact that Namco never stated anything isn't also an argument. Namco never said that Cipher became Mobius 1, but they never said it didn't happen either. For me there is enough evidence to at least say it is possible. After all, Mobius 1 is the pilot we know the least about, for example about blaze and his teammates we knew at the start of the game that they were young rookies, As for Cipher we know that he was a mercenary pilot before the beginning of the belkan war. As fot Mobius 1, we don't know anything about him before the point we see him taking of with that F-4 at the beginning of the game. Also, it seems (except for the Megalith mission) that he is the only member of the "Mobius" Squadron, which could indicate that his superiors already knew he was an excellent pilot, and he didn't need no wingmen (or maybe he didn't wanted any, because he lost his two previous with anything he could do). Another evidence is the fact that Mobius 1 is never called by its callsign, like for example Galm 2, which is called Pixy many times in the game, and the members of the Wardog squadron (Wardog 1 being called "Blaze" and so on). I think that there is a possibility that Mobius 1 callsign is Cipher, and so he is the very same pilot of the Galm team. Also, the guy from Sky Eye since the first mission talks to Mobius 1 with a degree of respect, like he knows he is speaking to an already proven ace and hero.  At least you must admit is possible.--Dracomoth (talk) 17:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Dracomoth and welcome to Wikipedia.  While this may be a possibility, you would need a better source to add it.  Other wikis are not considered reliable sources (see WP:V).  If you find a more reliable source then you can add the information.  Anyways, this and other Ace Combat articles need alot of work.  Feel free to edit them :)   rCX (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The fate of Cipher 

message: Although it is interesting to know that there is an Osea in real life (it's an island near Britain), I feel that it is irrelevant to include a link to the page on Osea Island. So, I've removed it.
--Skydude176 (talk) 22:35, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osea in Real Life? 

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