Talk:Battle of the Hornburg

message: Someone actually made a page about a fake battle, how lame.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TJ13090 (talk • contribs) 02:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we do need to mention what happened to the evil men in order to conclude "Rohan won the battle". I agree that it could be better stated. The passage in the book says, "The White Rider was upon them, and the terror of his coming filled the enemy with madness. The wild men fell on their faces before him." Basically both the wild men and the Orcs lost control. I'm not sure how to fix this in the article, but I'll take a stab at it. Eric119 03:03, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)
Changed number of Rohirrim present to 2,000 + 1,000. The original 2,000 are the 1,000 under Gamling and the 1,000 under Theoden. Then Erkenbrand's 1000 come. Maeglin Lómion 07:20, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I havn't read the book in a long time so this may be incorrect, but certainly in the film 'The Two Towers' Gandalf while being a participant in the battle is not present for much of the time, "Look for me on the morning of the third(?) day". While this is an important contribution I am not so sure it warrants the title of commander --Shadow Dancer 994 00:37, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Gandalf a commander? 

message: Can anone provide a source claiming the number of each type of Uruk-hai in the Jackson version of Helms Deep?  I find it very questionable.  Also, is it really necessary to also mention that The Battle of Pellanor Fields also take up one chapter? --Eldarone 22:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that one of the Offical Movie guide books?  If it is, then that would be acceptable source for the movie battle.  I'm also thinking about removing the Pelennor ields mention.  It's kind of pointless.  --Eldarone 01:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: As long as it's from an verfiable source, and the numbers are accurate, then the orc numbers can stay --Eldarone 20:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: that could be a problem then.  How was the numbers estimated?  --Eldarone 02:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orc Numbers and extra information - Jackson version 

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message: Several custom StarCraft maps have been created that are based on the battle, usually as depicted in the live-action film, and have become one of the more popular types of custom maps. The most popular versions include, in order of their release: Haldir version, Zergling version, and Annatar version. Others versions  include NGM, Sarm, Genocide, and Poody. The names of map versions typically refer to their creators.
While the different versions vary widely in layout and play details, all involve the Uruk-hai army attacking the armies of Rohan and Lórien, following the story told by the Peter Jackson film. A timer, usually ranging from thirty to forty-five minutes or more, is always present to count down to the arrival of Gandalf and the Riders of Rohan, along with Éomer/Erkenbrand, depending on the version. Most contain one or more locations where hero units can recover lost hit points and upgrade attack/defence. Aragorn, Théoden, Legolas, Gimli, and Haldir are always present (unless there is no player to play their role or the role of their associated army). While heroes are significantly superior to standard infantry, they are not invincible.  In most versions, the game ends either when Théoden or the civilians of Rohan are killed, or when both Uruk-hai commanders are killed.
Many custom-made scenarios have also been seen in the Age of Empires II: The Conquerors Expansion. Usually, a large cliffed area has a stretch of Stone Wall across the deep end of it, essentially creating Helm's Deep, or the Hornburg. Longbowmen or Robin Hood are placed behind the walls to symbolize Elven Archers and are under the control of the Player controlling the walls, or a separate Elf player. The Rohirrim player starts with a number of sword-bearing infantry. Another player (usually red) is given a large number of varied starting units outside the walls, who will begin attacking automatically.
A timed trigger then activates, sending a Petard to a point in the "Deeping Wall" where it detonates, allowing the controller of Saruman's forces entrance. The game will end when the Rohirrim player destroys all of the Uruk player's forces, or their Castle is destroyed.
Another trigger usually activates after a certain number of kills is accumulated, or the Rohirrim player's gate is destroyed, sending a number of cavalry from across the map. This symbolizes Gandalf and Eomer's charge from Jackson's film.
The Men and Elves players are given heroes (Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Haldir, Theoden) equipped with attack and hitpoint bonuses, and renamed from their original names.
Typically:
William Wallace--> Aragorn
Robin Hood--> Legolas
Erik the Red--> Gimli
Kibatake--> Haldir
Attila the Hun--> Theoden
On rare occasions a Saruman unit is given to the Uruk player (usually a Skirmisher or Eagle Warrior to show Saruman's staff).
I think we don't need to go in so much detail. Uthanc 00:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Custom maps 

message: I removed a lot of excess - a plot synopsis is good - but it should be brief and not go into such great detail.87.102.36.162 00:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: removal

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message: Why aren't the numbers recorded? They were here a few months ago and in any other LOTR battle. Who got rid of them? More to the point why? LOTRrules (talk) 13:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbers