Talk:EastLink (Melbourne)

message: *The tollway vs tolled freeway argument must be finalised, it appears there are no more arguments against the use of the term tollway.
*Where has the information regarding naming history of this tollway gone?
*On a retrospective note, why are so many of us so passionate and motivated to take so many photos and invest so much time into a piece of non-sustainable private automobile infrastructure that will not outlive mass transit, while our native bushland reserves and parks, our rivers and creeks, our mountains, our bays and oceans and beaches, our world, gets a fraction of the attention we give to something as short term as the subject matter of this article? Nick carson (talk) 14:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tollway Vs. Freeway - Are we still going on about this? It is "finalised", until we get a decent reason to change "tolled freeway" to something else. So far, that hasn't happened. Here's why: Tollway just means tolled road - that's all (it says so in the Tollway article). It means money is charged, and nothing more. The term Tollway does not describe the physical characteristics of the road - and a road is a physical entitty after all! If you feel that is not the case, you will need to argue that over in the Tollway article, not here. Tolled Freeway is a much better description for Eastlink, because it tells you what standard it is built to, and that it is tolled road. --Commking (talk) 22:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I have restored the "naming history" section that was mysteriously deleted... --Commking (talk) 23:10, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Problems

message: I have taken the time to contribute information regaurding namming history and some environmental issues.
I also added bits and pieces and edited out maybe 2 or 3 words.
I do realise this article is written in a majorly not Neutral Point of View way, but that is the nature of the issue!
If somone could take the real issues, and all of them, not editing things to make them appear as though they dont exist because most of them do, that would be much apreciated.
If anyone has any problems with any issues or anything AT ALL regaurding this article, please refer them to me so we can discuss them openly and sort out fact from fiction and get this article happening properly.
I'm not affraid to say that I can't write about this article in a non-NPOV way, but with some help and some major feedback, major referencing work, and sorting out every issue, we'll get this article written properly... Once it is I'll gaurd it with my life from vandalisation, certain issues surrounding this project need to be adressed correctly.
Thanks Nick carson 07:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: All the issues must be addressed

message: Beceause this article could really do with an image, I have emailled SEITA and ConnectEast requesting that one or two be released for Wikipedia. Will add any responses I receive here. --Evan C (Talk) 11:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could help out seeing as I live only a few hundred metres from Eastlink. I could take some pictures of current construction and post it up here but I think it's the best we are going to get. Also, if someone can make a simple route map that would be useful for the article. I'm good at manipulating maps but not creating them so any map I upload would probably be against the law! :) Lakeyboy 10:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image requested 

message: Oh, please. This isn't exactly NPOV writing! - Ta bu shi da yu 11:42, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not pretending to... that's why it's still a stub; please contribute to the article, especially on the freeway's advantages. --spacehunt 04:41, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Other comments

message: Connex did try to warn commuters about the train line being closed - via signs posted at all stations, radio annoucements, and an annoucenment on their website. However, the warning was not carried accross to the Metlink website, and no information was provided via the SMS service. In the notification (which no longer appears to be available), from memory, they the trip was expected to take up to 30 minutes longer (which was wrong - I was delayed closer to 1 hour 45 minutes). I don't know what time these warnings were posted; I heard the radio announcement at about 7:35am. As such, as much as I don't like Connex, I think it is unfair to say "the line was closed for the morning with no effort to alert commuters of the closure", so I changed it. --Brian May 23:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur.  Also, it's my understanding that at least some people were notified via SMS of delays (either  anticipated or current), but I don't know about the timing of the events. --ozzmosis 03:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: That whole section is really rather non-NPOV in its wording. I'll clean it up when I get a chance, with refs. --Evan C (Talk) 05:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Train line closed 

message: It has been added to the article that the tollway will be signed M3 when it opens. Is there a source on this. When Victoria went through the route system changes, I rode down the Eastern Freeway before it opened and all signs were labelled with M3 on them but all got coverplated with 83 before the freeway opened. Was this the reason for it? What are others views on this. --Lakeyboy 09:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been wondering where that came from for a while - Google comes up a blank? I don't think it's very notable anyway - I've never heard anyone say "I have to gome on the M1" for example.. --Commking 09:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Goodo - great to finally have an answer! When I get a new bike seat I'll be going along and thoroughly photographing the project, including this. --Evan C (Talk) 10:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It's certainly not of M route standard. Leaving it as-is seems most likely. --Evan C (Talk) 09:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could possibly become the A3 (from M3) if suburban Melbourne converts over to the alpha-numeric standard, at least until Nicholson St. Although having seen the former Hume Highway/Sydney Road became Metro 55 instead of A31 (or even A55) makes me wonder how long that will be: why bother re-signing a long stretch of road with a blue shield if your streets will be alpha'd anytime soon? --Lordstorm 01:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Do your research!  That photo is a fake. - Bricks J. Winzer (talk) 11:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Route number

message: A friend of mine is a councillor for a council along the Eastlink route. He says Eastlink are telling them it'll be done in March 2008. And no, I can't provide references! --Commking 11:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere recently that we can reference. I'll see if I can dig it up. --Evan C (Talk) 03:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Estimated Completion

message: I have added "limited access" to the Monash Freeway interchange because there is no access to the M1 eastbound (towards Dandenong) from the northbound carriageway of Eastlink.
Mal1988 (talk) 09:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limited access at the Tom Wills (Monash Freeway M1) interchange 

message: If you have a look at the Melway, it actually states that between Patterson Lakes/Mornington Peninsula Fwy and Frankston-Dandenong Road, that it is Thompson Rd, without the "s". This is also where Eastlink's junction is between. The section after Dandenong-Frankston Rd is then named Thompsons Rd with the "s". Do not revert. Mal1988 (talk) 03:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thompson/Thompsons Rd Interchange 

message: What is the source for the 'Eastern Ring Road" name. I'm unconvinced this was the 'original' name for the project. 203.202.145.170 (talk) 04:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know if there's a citable source for it, but there used to be signs at the sites of a few of the interchanges in the Wantirna-Rowville area stating something along the lines of "Site of Eastern Ring Road - Scoresby Section". A long time ago (pre-2003). --Evan C (Talk) 13:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

text: The only credible source that is available is pre 2005 editions of the Melway/UBD. They state that Eastlink was the proposed Eastern Ring Road - Scoresby Section. Mal1988 (talk) 11:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming History 

message: Now that EastLink is open for business, I think that it is the perfect time to organise the article and determine what needs to be included in the article and what gets left out. My inspiration for this is the only Featured Articles on roads on Wikipedia (Interstate 15 in Arizona, Interstate 355, Interstate 70 in Utah, New York State Route 28, New York State Route 32 and New York State Route 174).
This is my first draft of what I think the Table of Contents should look like. This is all coming off the top of my head so don't treat this as the final solution.
INTRODUCTION
*Route Description
**Donvale to Ringwood Basic description of the driving conditions including the tunnels and the Ringwood Interchange and Ringwood Bypass with link to main article of Ringwood Bypass.
**Ringwood to Dandenong Basic description of driving conditions including points of interest such as the large golf ball net near Canterbury Road, the pedestrian footbridges and the first piece of art, the "Smarties" (Ellipsoidal Freeway Sculpture). Information about the Monash Freeway (Tom Wills) Interchange will also go here. Info will end with the three levels of road at the Princes Highway.
**Dandenong to Carrum Downs Basic description of the driving conditions including the remaining three major pieces of art as well as a brief description of the Dandenong Bypass with a link to main article of Dingley Freeway. Could include mention of the media coined "Dandy Drag Strip" section (Princes Highway - Cheltenham Road)
*History
**Planning history (<2005) How the freeway first emerged in the Melway in the mid-sixties, the environmental and traffic effects, the merging of the Eastern Freeway extension with the project, the backflip on tolls by Labor and the bidding process.
**Construction history (2005 - Mid 2008) Info about different construction techniques, the break up of construction into different regions, road diversions, speed limit drops, major milestone events (bridge beams lifted, tunnel breakthrough, construction delays (Lilydale rail line bridge delays), dandy bypass opening, naming of road features etc. etc.) the 2 major public open days
**Operation history (Mid 2008 - ) Could include tolling information, safety systems of the road, effects on traffic patterns throughout eastern Melbourne, media attention and reactions, traffic levels pre-tolls (school holidays and no school holidays) and post-tolls
*Associated features This section could include information about the EastLink Trail (this will have it's own main article, as per other Melbourne bike trails), the public artworks, upgrades to existing non-eastlink roads (Boronia Road, Ferntree Gully Road, Wellington Road etc), public transport improvements, wetlands and parklands etc.
*List of interchanges The map of EastLink and the table of exits and major features along the road will go here.
*References Resources used to support article information
*External links references to official websites as well as relevent third party links.
What do you all think? What would add/remove/change. I wish to bring this article up to GA and set this article as the standard for Australian road articles on Wikipedia. --Lakeyboy (talk) 09:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article layout 

message: I went out today to take some pics of EastLink and the EastLink Trail between Koomba Park and Springvale Road today. Pictures which I deem worthy of adding to the article will be placed here in a gallery. I have also added lat-long coordinates to the images shown below. --Lakeyboy (talk) 09:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New images 

message: There is an item under controversies that states that the State Government will be entitled to revenue from additional traffic onto Eastlink if public roads are restricted. This needs a reference to verify its validity or needs to be removed. I have not been able to verify this and suspect that it is an old rumour. GrahamP (talk) 22:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traffic restrictions on public roads 

message: :Finally, many in the local area at the Southern end of EastLink argue that EastLink will in fact funnel much more traffic onto the Frankston Freeway...
There is a Herald Sun article today detailing increased traffic congestion on the Frankston Freeway due to Eastlink.   Might be able to use it as a reference. --ozzmosis (talk) 10:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frankston Freeway congestion