Talk:St. Louis/Archive 1

message: I'm curious. When was St. Louis called Mound City? Or, who calls it that?  I've lived in the Gateway City for decades and I've never heard it called that; River City maybe but, then, that would apply to a lot of cities. If someone says mound around here, people think of Cahokia. Bluelion 02:30, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an old nickname, used recently as the title of a newspaper column and book, and a company, Mound City Shelled Nut Company.  Many Native American mounds used to be found in the city, but most were destoyed by constuction.  Sugarloaf mound still exists near the river in south St. Louis; a house is built on it, and some say that Cote Brilliante mound can still be seen on the north side. marcusscotus 9 Aug 2005.
The City of St. Louis has a website entitled Mound City on the Mississippi. Quote: "The largest of the precolumbian Indian mounds in St. Louis, and the one that gave the city its nickname of "Mound City," was completely demolished in 1869. Parts of the mound had been demolished earlier to make way for streets and other structures." 
Here's another interesting website: St. Louis' Ships of Iron; The Ironclads and Monitors of Carondelet (St. Louis), Missouri. One of the ships, built by James B. Eads, was the Mound City, built in Mound City, Illinois (a few miles north-northeast of Cairo, IL). U.S. NAVY SHIPS -- USS Mound City (1862-1865) Bluelion 22:50, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Nicknames

message: The list of neighborhoods includes both Clayton and U.City, neither of which is within St. Louis city limits. The section header says "neighborhoods in the city." Perhaps these should be moved to a new list; "Notable nearby municipalities" or something. 'Course, then we'd have to argue about "notable"...Bbpen 00:50, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Neighborhoods in or out of the city?

message: The climate section inserted at 20:44, 13 July 2005 by 67.64.204.65 duplicates text on a local Fox TV station's website. Bbpen 00:57, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: climate copyvio

message: The Zig-zag bridge article needs an image. The Saint Louis Bottanical Garden has a suitable bridge. See  - thanks, Leonard G. 16:06, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Image needed for another article

message: I've added an infobox, similar to the ones commonly used on a variety of other cities. I've also added a city flag image, as well as a city seal. The city seal is pretty low quality, so if someone has a scanned image that is higher resolution, that would be appreciated. Likewise, the image of the gateway arch is also pretty low quality and could be replaced with one of higher quality.Dr. Cash 01:02, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, the "mayor" link in the infoxbox links to "mayors of Louisville".  Just wondering if anyone is working on a "mayors of Saint Louis" or "mayors of St. Louis" or "mayors of Street Louis" link.--CrazyTalk 17:16, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. I copied the template from the Louisville, Kentucky article, and forgot one link to change. It's been fixed now. Dr. Cash 02:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: City Infobox

message: "especially white males, who tend to hold the better jobs in the region and enjoy higher pay scales than women and minorities"  This seems unsubstantiated and POV to me and I am inclined to delete it.  Any discussion?  TMS63112 05:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think whoever included O'Fallon was probably referring to the O'Fallon Park area, which is near West Florisant and I-70. GuruBuckaroo 04:07, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe I made the original reference to the O'Fallon neighborhood and was thinking of the area around O'Fallon Park (not either of the the municipalities).  TMS63112 07:14, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social Issues 

message: CrazyTalk is absolutely right in his edit summary rant that the old stadium is historic, contradicting 198.173.15.250's ridiculous assertion that it "CANNOT" be historic if you choose to tear it down.  (What I don't quite understand is why the excessive rant about "historic" after I'd removed his word "beloved".)
Even though I, too, love the doomed Busch Stadium, I'll argue (civilly!) that "beloved" is a POV word that belongs in a chamber of commerce brochure or in a hometown newspaper Sunday supplement, but not in the encyclopedia article.  It is sufficient and accurate to state, "The 2005 baseball season will be the last played at Busch Stadium."  It is accurate and acceptable to state that as "historic Busch Stadium".
Note to participants: It is accepted practice to use the edit summary for brief descriptions of what has been changed, or what part of the article has been changed.  Very brief justifications that fit easily are generally okay, too.  Where extended justification or discussion is warranted, that justification or collegial discussion should take place here on the discussion page with a brief "see discussion page" included in the edit summary.  The edit summary is not the place for extended rants and SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS!  ;-)
Thanks to all for participating and contributing to the growth of Wikipedia.  --  Kbh3rd 19:12, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Checked out the anon's edits and he seems to be from Cook County IL; I should have just done a rv and been done with it. I only reverted it because he was from Chicago; I just put beloved in there to stick it to the anon, but Kbh3rd seemed to take the brunt of it. Note to participants: CAPS were used to be CONSISTENT with the Chicago ANON, not to RANT. (I think by "participants", Kbh3rd meant me specifically, so the rest of the "participants" can disregard this comment and the above comment.) From an encyclopedic view, historic seems appropriate, but unnecessary. I would like to apologize to Kbh3rd for ruffling feathers, and I hope I did not offend any other users. Have a good one!--CrazyTalk 20:34, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In the US we build things to tear them down.  It creates more jobs. :-/ --Hfarmer 05:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historic and beloved Busch Stadium II 

message: Based on the following online sources I have changed the first line of the history section of the article.  I have added mention that the site of Saint louis was already a Native American City when the french arrived.  These are both based on the latest scholarly research.  They date the period of the Mississipian culture as late as the 1700's.  When the Europeans arrived and setup trade with the Natives.  Who then probably died of smallpox.
http://www.cr.nps.gov/seac/outline/05-mississippian/] Mississippian and Late
Prehistoric Period, by the National Park Serice ( of the U.S.A.)  This page has many many many links to books and such on the matter.
 The Mississippian Period
Of the Woodland Culture Area in the Eastern US 
And of course the Wikipedia article on the mound builder's
Mississippian culture
--Hfarmer 05:44, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mound City

message: I removed three music blogs from the 'External links' section of the article. Blog sites really shouldn't go in an external links section of any article, however, I have no problem with providing the links on the talk page, as some editors might be able to use some of the information to edit some of the culture sections of the article. Dr. Cash 21:57, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Music Blogs