Talk:Principality of Catalonia

message: Catalan Nacionalism is not the only ideology which considers Catalonia as a Nation.
If we have a view on the political parties of Catalonia, we will notice that only 2 of the majority parties (Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya and Convergència i Unió) are nacionalists and the other 3 parties  (Partit dels Socialistes de Catalunya, Iniciativa per Catalunya Verds - Esquerra Unida i Alternativa and Partido Popular) are not nacionalists but they regard Catalonia as a nation with the exception of Partido Popular. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.37.151.198 (talk • contribs) 25 July 2006.
The Parliament of Catalonia has defined Catalonia as a Nation and itself as the seat of its soveraignity. Only a minority of the political forces of Catalonia don't agree. It'd make more sense to say that the Spanish political parties of Catalonia don't recognize it as a nation.--192.115.144.17 (talk) 12:12, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalunya a nation 

message: This has barely even semblance of being neutral.  "Limited political" autonomy?  According to whom?  A map that illustrates the region as being separate from the rest of the Spanish state? Eboracum 05:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no Spanish state in the relevant period. The problem with the map is that it shows "Spain" rather than "Aragon" and "Valencia". - Jmabel | Talk 19:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Alternatively, there could be a sharper line between present-day Spain and present-day France, making it clear that historic Catalonia spans this border. - Jmabel | Talk 19:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I've now re-colored the map; hope that meets at lest most of your concerns. Also, the article refers to "limited political sovereignty" not "limited political autonomy". I would say that is correct. What is your problem with it? - Jmabel | Talk 20:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What an incredibly biased entry 

message: "There seems to be an older reference, in a more informal context, in Ramon Muntaner's chronicles". I am the author of this sentence originally written in ca.wiki and then translated into several wikis. Any reference can be found in the chronicles of Muntaner and it was probably a misunderstood of mine from the source I used. I removed it in ca.wiki and I substituted it for more reliable quotations. What needs really a citation is to place the origin of the name in the union of the county of Barcelona with the kingdom of Aragon. Medieval Latin princeps does not means prince consort, but dominator. --Vriullop 17:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ramon Muntaner's chronicles 

message: So in light of all that is said in the article... is there anybody today that bares the title Prince of Catalonia? maybe the King or the Prince of Asturias..? --Oren neu dag (talk) 14:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prince of Catalonia 

message: In the introduction, the article refers to the Principality of Catalonia as a historic territory. I could not find a definition for 'historic territory'. Politis (talk) 00:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that it refers to a political entity that existed in the past but is no longer extant, like the Duchy of Aquitaine or the Kingdom of Sicily. --Jdemarcos (talk) 10:32, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: What is historic territory?

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message: The whole entry is biased and it purpose is to establish historical fact in a way that serves today's policies. The part where it explains why a principality is not worthy of an encyclopedia, although the effort put to make it look good is commendable. Someone should look into this.--193.239.221.248 (talk) 12:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased article 

message: This is a recurrent problem: Catalan nationalists decided in the 19th century that the four bars would become the symbol of their nation, probably taking as excuse the legend of Guifré el Pilós, that has been proven unrelated to historical facts. Therefore that coat of arms can't be the symbol of Catalonia before roughly 1800. However many people don't know this and in the case of foreigners they sometimes even get to believe that Aragon and Catalonia are kind of the same thing. I'll copy here a passage from ca:Bandera de Catalunya (a page I have never edited):  --Jotamar (talk) 18:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The cited academic sources - a whole plethora of them - at the Coat of arms of the Crown of Aragon disagree with you. Your Castilian nationalist POV pushing is not welcome here. 142.118.184.153 (talk) 18:27, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources you mention refer to the controversial question of the origin of the four bars emblem before king Alfonso II of Aragon. It's not controversial at all that, beginning with this king, the emblem became associated only with the king of Aragon (who was also Count of Barcelona), and it shouldn't be controversial for someone with accurate information that it was in the 19th century when Catalan Nationalists adopted the emblem to symolize their nation (i.e. Catalonia). --Jotamar (talk) 16:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbols of the Principality 

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