Talk:Louise Hay

message: Her two most well known books Heal Your Body and You Can Heal Your Life directly associate physical problems such as cancer with specific negative emotional patterns, and make the controversial claim that healing the emotional components will also heal the physical conditions.
Is 'controversial' just a different way of saying 'unsupported', or even 'false'? Mr-Thomas 12:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would disagree with that statement.  Saying that a statement creates controversy really has nothing to do with the validity of the statement.  Scientists centuries ago claimed the earth was round...that was indeed controversial, but ultimately true. Thanks -Broadwaygal 17:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Ultimately, this article is a biography.  It really doesn't matter whether she substantiates her claims, whether they prove to be true, or whether they prove to be false.  This is just an article about her. Thanks-Broadwaygal 19:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Biography & Hay's claims

message: The intro should be an overview of the whole article (See WP:LEAD), followed by the details of her life and career.  I did some reorganization, but the article needs dates to be inserted.  When did she get married?  When did the other events in her life happen?  The references listed have more information, which should be used to expand the article, and more references should be identified and cited.  The section about her books and teachings needs to be expanded and better cited.  Also, the quotes section is unreferenced and unencyclopedic.  If she is famous for these quotes, the article should say where they come from and explain their notability.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers 15:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions

message: User:Ekabhishek has just made a large number of changes to this article (and to Hay House that introduce a large number of claims that are:
# sourced to a large number of unscholarly sources of very doubtful reliability -- often little more than PR puffery;
#often not contained in even these sources.
I have therefore reverted them. HrafnTalkStalk 06:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: This seems a strange and contrived construction. Better to have a single life section with items sourced from Autobiographical sources clearly flagged and cited. I have changed the section to "Life" so that material from may sources can be included in a single narrative.Lumos3 (talk) 08:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it was clumsy -- but I was concerned that a large amount of essentially autobiographical material (including some extraordinary claims) was being presented uncritically as though it was verifiable fact. HrafnTalkStalk 14:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Autobiographical section?

message: It is ironical, one of the few noteworthy spiritual authors to come out of America, has few people approaching her life story with the reverence it deserves, and many tend to play with her biography, without adding anything susbstantial, rather taking pride in deleting matter, under the pretext of editorial license. We all know, what happens when a nation forgets to honour its wise. (Ekabhishek (talk) 11:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For what? Calling you on your patently absurd claim that Hay is "one of the few noteworthy spiritual authors to come out of America", or for demanding that this article follow WP:RS (see also #Recent changes above)? Your accusations are in gross violation of WP:AGF. Again, pur-lease. HrafnTalkStalk 06:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Wow!.. I clearly stand by what I said, while you may claim whatever you so desire...I leave you guys to it, go ahead, with your work, if it gives you peace of mind, so be it. (Ekabhishek (talk) 07:09, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can stand by, on or under anything you please -- it still doesn't make your claim any more credible. It is a bare assertion, unsupported by facts -- and in fact heavily contradicted by them (specifically by the very long line of published spiritual leaders, gurus, etc that the US has produced). Stay or go as takes your fancy -- but please make sure any addition you wish to make are compliant with WP:RS & WP:V. HrafnTalkStalk 07:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your assertions aside, Boy you are one vicious man, how do you manage in real life, when you cannot no longer throw jargon at people or debate?? There is no need to get vicious...it is only a website, your victories here mean nothing in real life, so chill!! (Ekabhishek (talk) 12:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is you who has been making baseless assertions and wild threats and accusations -- so I find your accusation of 'viciousness' to be entirely WP:POT. Therefore I repeat my previous statement: stay or go as takes your fancy -- but please make sure any addition you wish to make are compliant with WP:RS & WP:V. HrafnTalkStalk 13:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Prejudices amongst editors

message: Pur-lease -- America has been chock full of self-styled spiritual leaders for centuries, most of whom have seen fit to leave their thoughts in writing as a legacy -- Mormonism, Seventh-day Adventism, Christian Science, New Thought, to just name a few of the more notable & older movements. What this article needs is material based upon  serious and scholarly biographical sources -- not half-baked and incorrectly sourced puffery. HrafnTalkStalk 16:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For what? Calling you on your patently absurd claim that Hay is "one of the few noteworthy spiritual authors to come out of America", or for demanding that this article follow WP:RS (see also #Recent changes above)? Your accusations are in gross violation of WP:AGF. Again, pur-lease. HrafnTalkStalk 06:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Wow!.. I clearly stand by what I said, while you may claim whatever you so desire...I leave you guys to it, go ahead, with your work, if it gives you peace of mind, so be it. (Ekabhishek (talk) 07:09, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can stand by, on or under anything you please -- it still doesn't make your claim any more credible. It is a bare assertion, unsupported by facts -- and in fact heavily contradicted by them (specifically by the very long line of published spiritual leaders, gurus, etc that the US has produced). Stay or go as takes your fancy -- but please make sure any addition you wish to make are compliant with WP:RS & WP:V. HrafnTalkStalk 07:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your assertions aside, Boy you are one vicious man, how do you manage in real life, when you cannot no longer throw jargon at people or debate?? There is no need to get vicious...it is only a website, your victories here mean nothing in real life, so chill!! (Ekabhishek (talk) 12:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is you who has been making baseless assertions and wild threats and accusations -- so I find your accusation of 'viciousness' to be entirely WP:POT. Therefore I repeat my previous statement: stay or go as takes your fancy -- but please make sure any addition you wish to make are compliant with WP:RS & WP:V. HrafnTalkStalk 13:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Prejudice against badly sourced puffery

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