Talk:Comic strip

message: Would it be a good idea to sort these a bit? Some (like Bizarro) are single-frame comics, others (like Calvin & Hobbes) are single-strip comics, and finally others (like Prince Valiant) have long storylines. Or are there better ways? --Pinkunicorn
:Personally, I would sort Bizarro as a "cartoon", and "Prince Valiant" as a plain "comic", in my book, only comics in strip-form (Such as "Calvin & Hobbes" and "Snoopy") should be considered "comic strips".
::Note that it isn't because of the long storyline, but because of the full-page format, comics such as "Rip Kirby" and "Modesty Blaise" are still "comic strips" in my book...
I think the single, general alphabetic list is useful too. So if you want to add a different scheme, please don't replace the current one.--LA2
Someone knowledgeable enough about them could create alternative schemes and link to them from this page. I'm not that person though. ;-)
The phrase "comic strip" is the one actually in use, and it includes everything from Prince Valiant to Zippy the Pinhead. In the US, comic strips usually appear in newspapers, but also appear in, for example, Boy's Life magazine. In England, they usually appear in weekly comic papers, though more and more UK newspapers carry daily strips, often in colour. The most famous UK strip is probably Modesty Blaise, though The Perishers also has its followers, and, of course, Jane has a certain appeal. In the US, there is then a subdivision into daily and Sunday, and into strips (wider than they are tall) and panels (taller than they are wide). Then Sunday strips are subdivided into full pages, half pages, thirds, tabs, half tabs, quarters and odd sizes. Rick Norwood 19:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: move discussion below toc

message: I'm trying to locate the origins if the term "the funnies". Can anyone point me in the right direction?
nalilo
:According to www.etymonline.com: "funnies "newspaper comic strips" is from 1852." The origins is probably that most of them were "funny", I'd guess that comic strips weren't particularly common by that time, the reference were originally to "cartoons".
I went to that site and here is what it said (no mention of Funnies): 
[quote]that of "comic book or strip" is from 1889. Comic strip first attested 1920; comic book is from 1941. [/quote]
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Comic strips were called "Funny Papers" and Funnies in the 1920s.   Here is a better explanation of the changes in the name:
http://www.mtannoyances.com/?p=566  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.31.83 (talk) 18:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Funnies

message: Could someone tell me what is the preferred term for a single frame, pane, or cell of a comic strip (i.e., that which there are typically three of in most Sunday funnies)? Thanks. — Jeff Q 09:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just looked in a half-dozen books of comic strip criciticisim. They all use the word "panel" to describe a single image, usually surrounded by a frame line, representing an instant of action. Gwil 06:41, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a bunch! — Jeff Q (talk) 08:29, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of a comic strip fame?

message: I am a Wikipedia newbie, and would like to conform to the rules. Not long ago, I added an interwiki link to the Comic strip article, leading to the French Wikipedia article "Bande dessinée". It was quickly removed, with the comment "removed interwikis to comics, not comic strips". Now, in French, "bande dessinée" is the most common phrase for either "comic book" or "comic strip". If you want to learn what French Wikipedia has to say about comic strips, the "bande dessinée" article is the place to start. That article even says, "Some specialists consider that the first bande dessinée in the world was Yellow Kid...". So my question is, must interwikis link to exact synonyms, or can they link to the best matching article even if it's a broader term? Gwil 05:16, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: French interwiki link

message: I removed the paragraph "As early as 1801 established Swedish fine artist artist Pehr Nordquist, dead i Napels 1805, draw a two-page eight panel comic strip.", and I suppose it behooves me to explain why.
There are many possible precursors to the modern comic strip. Pehr Nordquist, Willem Bilderdijk, Rodolphe Töpffer, Christophe (Georges Colomb), William Hogarth, Caran d'Ache (Emmanuel Poiré), A. B. Frost, Richard Doyle, Gustave Doré, Wilhelm Busch, Benjamin Rabier, and W. Fletcher Thomas have all been cited as forerunners. They all created sequential graphic narratives before the Yellow Kid. Most of these narratives had captions under the pictures. As far as I know, none of them had speech balloons, and none of them was published on a regular schedule. Comics authority Thierry Groensteen, preparing an exhibition in Angoulême, chose Rodolphe Töpffer as the most important originator of the comic-strip form. E. Wiese titled his reprint of two Töpffer works "Enter: The Comics". Pehr Nordquist, by contrast, isn't even mentioned in the Swedish Wikipedia. According to the same account of Groensteen's choice, Nordquist's works remained confidential and unpublished (vertraulich und unveröffentlicht blieben).
Why do we distinguish Wilhelm Busch from all the others, by mentioning Max and Moritz? Because he had a clearly demonstrable influence on the earliest American comic strips. If Pehr Nordquist had even the slightest influence, I haven't heard about it. Gwil 04:29, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was unpublished and confidential, how can it have been influential? Fram 18:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pehr Nordquist

message: Nothing about European comics here. I started to look around a bit, and found articles Comic book, Comic strip, European comics and American comics. A bit confusing. Is "comic strip" the sum of "European comics" and "American comics" (and possibly others like Manga)? In that case this article should mention this and most of the information should be moved to "American comics". Any comments? Piet 11:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the base article is at Comics. But your ideas aren't without merit and there is a similar plan at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/organization but it is yet to implemened. The problem this article suffers is that the term comic strip means something different in the U.S. than to us Europeans. The Americans have concentrated the meaning only on Newspaper strips. Hiding talk 14:55, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree: this is almost entirely about US comic strips.  Diomedea Exulans (talk) 07:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

text: "most comic strips, even in European newspapers, are American." and the rest of your post seems to equate Europe with the UK. Many comic strips in Western Europe, outside the UK, are Franco-Belgian comics, with things like (in the early days) Tintin, and later Spike and Suzy (over 20O million copies sold in book form). At least for France, Belgium, and the Netherlands, most of the comic strips in newspapers were and are local, although in recent decades the number of comic strips has diminished. But e.g. the best sold comics in Flanders are still books with complete stories of local newspaper comic strips. Fram (talk) 16:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: European comics

message: I guess I lean rather weakly to keeping an article on the newspaper comic strip, since the term comic strip is not used to define the newspaper comic strip in many parts of the world. That said, I concede these articles need work to express the differences, and would not oppose a merger on the understanding that such a merger could be undone in the future when the articles merited it. Hiding talk 16:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mergers

message: I have recently started reviewing a book indicating which comic strips were available for publication from syndicates through 1995, with the intention of including those strips which had been available from these syndicates for at least ten years. I have to date added all those listed in the book which qualify by this 10-year rule whose titles begin with "A" or "B", and found that the page as it now exists is already longer than is desired. I would suggest possibly that, as is the case with the list of DC Comics and others, the individual entries be shortened to include only the name of the strip itself, the years in which it ran, and possibly the Reuben Award status and country of origin, dropping all the data about creators. Badbilltucker 19:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How to Resolve Excess Length of Page

message: I think Newspaper Comic Strip and Comic Strip could be merged, they are essentially the same thing. Dragon Expert 14:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not not? The only difference is the prefix "Newspaper", which really serves no real significant purpose. I agree -- merge the thing! -- Jason Palpatine 02:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd have to agree with the merging, possibly add wording into this article if it doesn't already exist. | Chris 01:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not the same thing depending on what country you live in, but the articles may not have the depth as yet to justify existing apart. In Europe a comic strip can exist other than in a newspaper, whilst in the US the terms are synonymous. Hiding Talk 16:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that information can always be added to this article if it doesn't already exist at this point. Chris 01:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge [[Newspaper comic strip]] with [[Comic Strip|comic strip]]

message: Does anyone know why most comic strips use uppercase only? There's gotta be a reason for such conformity. Xiner 22:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When comics were all lettered by hand, and printed on cheap paper, the all uppercase improved readability. Some modern comics use other cases. Sandman is a good example. But Sandman is often hard to read. Rick Norwood 12:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Mainly it's because all uppercase letters are the same height. Some lowercase letters... g, j, p, q, and y... have tails that drop below the baseline. When you're printing by hand, you have to allow extra space between the lines to prevent the tails from bleeding into the line below. But by printing all in uppercase, you don't have to worry about tails. You can reduce the space between the lines, and fit more words into a balloon. WaxTadpole (talk) 21:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have a reference for this?  It's great info that should be included in the article.  CüRlyTüRkeyTalkContribs 00:10, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Uppercase only?

message: Can someone who knows more than me flesh out the genres section a bit? For example, I remember Bill Watterson mentioning that he originally wasn't keen to do a kid strip because of Peanuts' dominance. There must be plenty of other genres.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TimNelson (talk • contribs) 06:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre?

message: I see this article has been tagged for over a year... please do something about it. Or shall we nominate this article for deletion? Shinobu (talk) 14:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources? 

message: Wonderful though Gary Larson's work is and was, it was not a "comic strip". He drew single panel cartoons, aka gag cartoons. I think we might remove references to him and other artists who do only these single panel things. After all these are not sequential art, which this article is supposed to be about. Invertzoo (talk) 12:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While you are technically correct, virtually all books about comic strips have included panel cartoons. Rick Norwood (talk) 13:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Beyond that scholars disagree.  McCloud says panel cartoons are not sequential art, R.C. Harvey says they are.  Since the comic strip is a form of cartoon, being a strip cartoon, it seems they technically are related. Hiding T  13:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Single panel "comic strips"?

message: I added a paragraph about proof sheets, with a quote from an article on when King Features donated their's to MSU and Ohio State U. Do syndicates still use proofs or has electronical means supplanted them? Does the reference need any tweaking? I was surprised a Google of the term didn't readily find a good online definition or description, and it seemed to be appropriate to include it in this entry. Dgabbard (talk) 04:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: proof sheets

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thread_title: WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required

message: Removed this section on "the first daily comic strip."
1) It simply wasn't.
2) It claimed it was the first "successful" daily comic strip-- by whose standards?
3) Wasn't, as claimed, the first strip to use speech baloons-- Katzenjammer Kids did that before Mutt & Jeff
4) Simply put, the section was VERY short on information, and half of what was there was misleading or incorrect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leisurely historian (talk • contribs) 15:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:30, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

text: The only daily comic strip to precede Mutt & Jeff was A. Piker Clerk, which was canceled after less than seven months. Mutt & Jeff ran for 75 years. That's a pretty reasonable standard of success. (The Katzenjammer Kids wasn't a daily strip at the time Mutt & Jeff debuted. It ran on Sundays only.) Source: http://www.toonopedia.com and others. WaxTadpole (talk) 21:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There's actually little documentary evidence that A. Piker Clerk was daily. The only thing that really suggests it is Moses Koenigsberg's account. As Alan Holtz has pointed out in the introduction to "The Early Years of Mutt & Jeff," Bill Blackbeard's file just shows 20-odd "Piker" strips appearing sporadically. Moreover, check out Holtz's article "The Daily Show" in Hogan's Alley v3 no4, where he points out that "Mr Peewee," which ran for around a year (1903-1904), ran daily for a good chunk of time-- a few months of which there were actually two DIFFERENT "Mr Peewee" strips in competing papers on a daily basis.  Mutt and Jeff also took frequent hiatuses for the first ten years of its run. If you want a strip that ran every day from the get go and didn't take the breaks, you'd have to look as late as 1910 with "Us Boys." These things evolve over time, and it's often a matter of how you define what, which gets to be "first." Given the debatability of the claim, as well as the relative lack of substance in the section, I think it's a valid edit. (Not to mention that the standard for a strip's success shouldn't be matching one of the five-to-ten longest running strips in history. Was Calvin and Hobbes not a "success?")  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leisurely historian (talk • contribs)01:11, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Mutt and Jeff

message: I've got some issues with the lead.
 A comic strip is a sequence of cartoons  that tells a story, often humorous, 
 though action-adventure. science fiction and soap opera-like dramas are also prevalent.
The phrasing "sequence of cartoons" sound weird, and there probably needs to be at least some mentioning of comics somewhere early on. On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be a consensus about really what the article should contain. To some people comic strip is just a synonym to the comic medium itself, to others, it's comics in strip format, etc.  惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:30, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Note more focused rewrite. Pepso2 (talk) 15:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. It's better now. Feel free to discuss my other points. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 13:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: There's an article at ABC News about newspapers reducing the number of comics strips they have recently, some papers (The Washington Times) dropping the comics section entirely.  I thought it would be good to add to the article, but the way the article is currently organized, I can't see where it would fit. CüRlyTüRkeyTalkContribs 00:05, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newspapers shedding comic strips 

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message: If "Thimble Theatre" and "Popeye" are included together, shouldn't "Fritzi Ritz" and "Nancy" also appear? 2002:620D:3AF:0:2010:764F:9259:A55 (talk) 04:47, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Longest running" 

message: I feel that the article, in its current state, is incredibly american-centered. For example, Mafalda is not mentioned ONCE in the entirety of the article, and other famous latin-american are not even acknowledged to exist. I am not really sure how i would personally make a change (i don't really edit Wikipedia myself), but seeing the article in it's current state makes me think that it could be improved a lot. Or also, Asterix is not mentioned in the article either, even though it is a notable french comic strip. SanaeKochiya727 (talk) 14:31, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  way too american (USA)-centered