Talk:Christianity in Korea

message: I first wrote this article about fifteen years ago, as an essay for a Korean Culture/History paper that I was studying at Auckland University at that time.  Apart from the last paragraph, which I have rewritten substantially to include changes that have taken place over the past fifteen years, I have hardly changed the text at all.  I find it amazing how almost all of what I wrote in 1988 is still true today.  (David Cannon)
Korean spellings are incorrect.
:My apologies for incorrect Korean spellings.  If you know the correct spellings, could you please edit accordingly?  I'd be so grateful.  Thanks! David Cannon 08:10, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: History of this Article

message: This article is superb. I was just wondering if the bibliography and references could be modified or shortened to fit the standard Wiki format? And perhaps would could edit the tone/style slightly? But mega kudos to the author once again. Thanks ~ Dpr 05:45, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!  I wrote most this article as a student essay back in 1988; of course I've updated it, but it is, for the most part, much as it was then.  By all means feel free to edit the bibliography and references to fit the Wiki format (I'd rather not see them deleted, though).  And yes, the tone could be slightly modified also (I think a few people have already tweaked it; feel free to put your own touches on it:-) David Cannon 10:44, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Format 

message: I made a slight change in the section mentioning traditional names for God. The original pure Korean name for God was 하느님, which is related to the word 하늘 (sky), and is still used by most non-Protestant religious groups in Korea. The name 하나님 is derived from 하나 (one), and my understanding is that it was coined by early Protestants who objected to the use of 하느님, due to its reference to the sky. (User:Chamdarae)
Since I can't read Korean, would you mind spelling those in enlgish for me so I know how to pronounce them?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.144.42.153 (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names for God 

message: I was briefly skimming through the article and found several grammatical errors; sentence structure is poor and the section labeled Controversies has some problems.
Controversies -- is there a definite outside reference/source that attacks Christianity in Korea?  Yeah, there's articles about certain problems but if there aren't any critics, I really think IMO the section could be either redone or just deleted.
If there's any problems, by all means discuss and if you strongly feel that the article is up to par as a good article, then take off the tag. --Nissi Kim 22:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think your criticism is justified.  There may be a few grammatical errors that I've overlooked, but unless the cleanup job is HUGE, a tag is not justified.  Just correct the errors yourself.  I didn't add the controversies section - somebody else did, and I don't know enough about that to edit it or remove it.  Anyway, I'm taking the tag off, but will attend to the grammatical flaws. David Cannon 00:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Impact section sounds very much like a college term paper--not an encyclopedic article.--Nissi Kim 21:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean Up Tag

message: In the early 90s, notably in 1992, there was a bit of a "Rapture movement" in South Korea. Some people, a small minority I'm sure, were convinced the end of the world was coming. I was there at the time and recall it getting some coverage on CNN Headline News. I don't know if that makes it worth including in this article, but certainly something could be said for the minor Christian cults that have sprung up. For more information search for the Korean Hyoo-go or Rapture Movement, and Lee Jang Rim, leader of the Korean doomsday cult Mission for the Coming Days (also known as the Tami Church). 74.99.167.47 04:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rapture

message: I have taken a shot at making the discussion of the possible role of Christianity in Korea's economic growth a little more complete. I did not add to the bibliography yet, pending other folks' comments. Also, I have to say I find the references on this page confusing--there are 50-some reference numbers, but only 40-some numbered references. Is there something miscoded here, or am I misunderstanding how these things are supposed to work? Please comment! Rikyu 18:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christianity and Economic Success redux 

message: This article reads like a pamphlet from Christian missionary! (Except for a non-informative Scandal section). Especially the part about social impact. Many countries in Asia have been able to get rid of the social evils in their countries without the help of Christianity. I think this article is completely biased. Leotolstoy 17:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So change it (with appropriate sourcing etc.). That's how the game works.Rikyu 17:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about that. There is Communism in Asia, I've heard rumors about promiscuity in Japan being as bad as Europe, I've heard rumors about harsh punishment in Asia (getting caned for vandalism in Singapore, getting a hand removed for theft, etc.), I've heard rumors that Chinese parents don't want their daughters and Americans often adopt them. Besides, I don't think ANY country has gotten rid of its social evils completely. You notice that social evils are greater now that we have greater apathy toward any religion, a materialistic world-view, and widespread acceptance of evolution here in the West.--69.234.214.160 (talk) 19:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with Leotolstoy, the article is POV. First of all it doesn't examines the fact that Christianity is undergoing a decline in Korea. In 1980s Christians constituted the 39% of the total population, while today they're roughly the 26%. In 1990 there were 10 million Protestants, today they're 8 million. --Xi Zhu (talk) 10:56, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So change it (with appropriate sourcing etc.). That's how the game works.Rikyu (talk) 15:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Success story of Christianity in Korea? 

message: I believe this is the Majority point of view held by both Catholics and Protestants in South Korea.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.68.114 (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is good.  

message: I should point out that Korean shamanism wasn't monotheistic at all, and, not having an actual institution or organisational structure, did not have a singular creation myth, as it differed according to regions in Korea.  There was no one all-powerful god, but some very powerful godS, and many less powerful gods. According to one Shamanistic creation myth, it was actually Maitreya, the Buddha of the Future, who separated and shaped earth and sky.  If one wanted to argue it, one could say that Maitreya is the Christian God's equivalent, but no Buddhist is even going to try to make that claim.  Also, academics who have actually studied the etymology of the word "하늘님" or "하느님" will tell you that the word was never used in pre-modern Korean history to mean "The Heavenly God" or any variant of such until Protestant missionaries arrived.  The usage of 하늘님/하느님 in pre-modern Korean poems was strictly so that the author of the poem can use a three-syllable word for "sky," with the end product sometimes functionally resembling the vocative form of a word in Latin.  The popular misconception was spawned by the misconception of the missionaries who tried to earnestly to find a way to tack Christian beliefs onto Korean popular culture.  One hypothesis is that, in their haste, the missionaries were overly ambitious and saw what they wanted to see - a three-syllable word that merely meant sky, but was turned into an address for the Christian God.  I'm not pulling this out of my rear...I'm just representing the work of Dr. Don Baker from the University of British Columbia. — Dark_chancellor</sup> 12:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's interesting, but it would be better if you cite the sources so that we can use your information in the article.  Also, some of the characterizations you used, like "misconception," "overly ambitious," "earnestly," etc., express judgements that may be difficult to support from factual historical sources.  Be careful about introducing personal attitude into the article!  Otherwise, go for it. --Amble (talk) 10:46, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Korean shamanism

message: Last week, today being 4/Aug/'09, awoman and her family were jailed. The lady had in her possession a Bible. She had earlier given a Bible to her friend!  What we say here may have reprocussions.  I havn't named the place, etc.
MacOfJesus (talk) 20:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, huh? The article is a general summary, I see absolutely nothing in it that could put anyone at any kind of risk, especially since almost all of the article is about South Korea. TallNapoleon (talk) 20:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

text: See WP:NOTFORUM, particularly this: "[T]alk pages exist for the purpose of discussing how to improve articles; they are not mere general discussion pages about the subject of the article..." Discussion here should focus on the article, and nothing else. I assure you that no one is about to start outing North Korean Christians here. So, let's keep this talk page on topic. TallNapoleon (talk) 22:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Care Needed

message: I almost changed the title of this article to Protestantism in Korea instead of Christianity in Korea. 
There are not much information available on Catholicism in this article. I suggest the article be separated into a Protestant one and a Catholic one. (1tephania (talk) 01:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focuses too much on Protestantism? 

message: This article is strongly pro-christian. I would even believe that a Korean christian wrote this article. On the Religions of South Korea article, it states that Korean Christians are often vandalizing other religions. Also, many non-believers, be them atheists or those of other belief, are totally disgusted by the mass rallies, corruption, the 'missionaries' and so on. This is probably the main reason for the decline of christian population in Korea, yet the article doesn't even handle this?
If I have to, I can provide quite a lot of Korean news sites that indicates all the 'negative' aspects of Korean christianity, which the article clearly does not want to dispute.
Turtlesoviet (talk) 01:47, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For one thing, it highlights such things as women's rights and such as due to "Christian ideology", utterly failing to mention that Christian societies in past times were just as bad or worse than the Korean or Chinese societies of the time periods being compared. What about the 2000 long history of Christians submitting without fail to Kings and Emperors? Can this really be attributed to Christianity in general, or wouldn't it be more appropriate to merely attribute it to modern Christian ideology in Korea? If so, modern native religions in Korea aren't any more discriminatory and such than modern Christian ideology, so there'd be no improvement to draw. It also utterly fails to explain how women and children aren't in total submission in Japan and other mostly non-Christian societies. Christians have such a horrific minority complex; why do they always feel the need to take credit for everything?98.95.156.43 (talk) 07:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

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thread_title:  Syŏnggyo [Sŏnggyo paek] mundap 

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Publisher	천주당, 1908
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Chunyŏn chʻŏmnye kwangik, Gustave Charles Maries Mutel
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thread_title:  쥬년첨례광익 

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Title	The call of Korea: political--social--religious
Author	Horace Grant Underwood
Edition	3
Publisher	Fleming H. Revell co., 1908
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Author	Horace Grant Underwood
Publisher	Fleming H. Revell, 1908
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Missions
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Title	Underwood of Korea: being an intimate record of the life and work of the Rev. H.G. Underwood, D.D., LL.D., for thiry one years a missionary of the Presbyterian board in Korea, Volume 45; Volume 510
Colonial period Korea
Underwood of Korea: Being an Intimate Record of the Life and Work of the Rev. H.G. Underwood, D.D., LL.D., for Thiry One Years a Missionary of the Presbyterian Board in Korea, Lillias Horton Underwood
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Publisher	Fleming H. Revell company, 1918
Original from	Harvard University
Digitized	Nov 2, 2006
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Title	Fifteen years among the top-knots: or, Life in Korea
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Publisher	American tract society, 1904
Length	271 pages
Subjects	Korea
Missions
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thread_title:  Horace Grant Underwood and Lillias Horton Underwood 

message: This article could use some numbers:  How many Catholics, etc. are there in South Korea?Kdammers (talk) 05:41, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  No numbers 

message: See  for a recent very useful source. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:39, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graph, trends 

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message: I merged the Roman Catholicism in South Korea article with this one.
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