Talk:Don Quixote/Archive 1

message: Is it:
*Don Quixote
or:
*Don Quijote
:Yes :) --Error 23:14, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: i removed the following jaspreet singh jassi which was randomly put in the the first paragragh after the TOC. Does this mean anything to anyone???
On another note; Don Quijote rules! The bellman 11:51, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)
: That's the main character of an Indian Telenovela based on Betty La Fea. No idea why it was put there.--Plumcouch 17:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism? 

message: Why don't we just stick to the facts rather than put in something about how some people think it's the best story ever, which is simply adding personal opinion that can never be NPOV?  If we can find references that show that Spanish-literature academics almost universally regard this as one of the greatest Spanish novels, then we could add that in, maybe specifying the academics.  But simply saying "some consider it the best" (even with a cite to a trivial poll of 100 people from a book club) will always be POV, IMHO. —Cleared as filed. 17:00, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
*See above, this is already discussed.  We can stick to the facts, but the facts are: Some people consider this the best book in the Spanish language.  Is it a "trivial poll"?  It was cited by the BBC.  (The BBC is a distinguished British news source, in case you didn't know)  Yes, you can find websites that say that "Spain is the dumbest country", a concept that you so elegantly use as an example to boost your arguments, but those websites aren't going to get as much respect or attention from the BBC, and those websites won't be as credible as the BBC.  That statement has been in the article for quite a while.  Many Wikipedians have seen it and not removed it.  CanadianCaesar 23:15, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I do know what the BBC is, but there are a lot of cases of the media putting more faith in a source than Wikipedia, which is supposed to be NPOV; BBC isn't and doesn't need to be.  And just because other Wikipedians haven't bothered with it doesn't mean it isn't a problem.  (I have no problem with Spain, btw.  It's just to make a point that just because enough people think something doesn't make it NPOV.) Again, I'd have no problem with a referenced analysis on the novel's greatness by respected academics, but a British news organization citing a Norwegian book club poll isn't an analysis at all. —Cleared as filed. 23:22, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
This should not be an argument.  Mr O'Rourke has his facts wrong, is all.  The "greatest book" label is silly, of course, but the title has been earned due to the 2002 Oslo vote.  This was not a random book club voting, but rather leading international authors.  From the Guardian: 
"In 2002, the novel was voted the best book of all time by a group of 100 writers, including Salman Rushdie, Nadine Gordimer, Wole Soyinka and Norman Mailer, in a survey organised by editors at the Norwegian Book Club in Oslo."
I am willing to submit to the opinion of Gordimer, Rushdie, Kailer inter alia.  Bottom line: the fame of those who selected it should be sufficient for its inclusion in the article, and alleviates the NPOV suspicions  cited above.  See:
[ Dottore So 18:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Best Spanish novel ever" 

message: I have removed the following lines from the para on the opening line:
:En un Lugar…, says the french Don Quixote specialist Dominique Aubier, is an allusion to lugar not the village but the abstract idea of the jewish maqom. Don Quixote, she asserts is coded with hebrew kabbalistical keys.
It would be strange, and indeed unfair, if Madame Aubier were the only "specialist" to be referenced regarding this work. It must be noted that Mme Aubier is a specialist in finding kabbalistic messages in such diverse works as Hollywood films ('Bus Stop') and 17th century novels. One would, however, be hard pressed to recognise her amongst the leading Don Quixote researchers.Asav
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It is not the right to remove that interpretation. It has been accepted by the Bar Ilan University, prof. Ruth Reichelberg confirms. She is a competent authority. As well as prof. Mac Gaha from Pomona University, California. Madame Aubier is a well known and respected specialist in Spain. I do not accept that the commun ignorant just erades what he does not agree with. I suggest to restaure the lines wich have been controled by a competent authority. Franck.
Response to above: We obviously want to avoid an edit war.  I think that Asav's point is accurate.  Setting aside Mme Aubier's satus, the fact is that an encyclopedia is not the venue for analysis of this kind.  Dottore So 08:40, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *See the Diccionario of the RAE Jclerman 14:14, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscellany 

message: One hypothesis I have not seen in the article is that of a best-selling book from this year, I think.
According to it, Cervantes is actually a Converso from the kingdom of León and the landscapes of "La Mancha" are from León (Sanabria?).
Don Quixote would be full of hints of this.
I don't remember the title nor the author but it is on every bookshop in Spain.
:--Error 22:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Converso origin 

message: Hello, everyone,
I removed the links for the cabbalistic encoding within Don Quixote. Two of the links link back to Dominique Aubier's page - I couldn't find a second oppinion on her claims anywhere on the internet. As for Prof. MacGaha's article: he claims Aubier was nominated twice for the Noble Price - could find a source to verify that either, which makes the article doubtful in my eyes. If I'm wrong, don't hesitate and correct me. Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 17:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing links 

message: is given no mention in this article! Salad Days 22:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The unauthorised sequel 

message: Why is there no plot summary for this work? Major characters (surely Sancho and Don Quixote de la Mancha are not the only ones). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by UAAC (talk • contribs) 17:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary 

message: i'm fairly sure the convention of putting punctuation inside the end of quotation marks is only when those marks are actually denoting somebody speaking. After all we are discussing (e.g.) the word "quixotic" not the word "quixotic," . I have reverted for now. Rawling 21:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commas and quotation marks 

message: It took me a while to work out what this section was for. Presumably it is intended as a list of sources for further analysis of the book/character and its cultural impact. What is Alice in Wonderland doing in the list?? Mooncow 19:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literature 

message: Whilst participating in the current novels collaboration on Waverley (novel) I came across an article comparing Don Quixote to Edward Waverley which may also be worth a mention in this article too. The link is: http://www.h-net.org/~cervantes/csa/artics91/gaston.htm    Silverthorn 17:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence on other authors/works - Waverley 

message: I have started in on the cleanup. 
#I have added the plot summary section to be filled out. 
#I have created a single cultural influence heading and then subheadings
#I have started to weed out some of the more dubious references. The fact that quixotic has entered the language does not mean that every band, singer or DJ who knows what the word means is making an explicit or noteworthy reference to the original Don. 
#Cleanup of language and removal of a cartoonish image.
I think it would be a very good idea to use the Daumier and Picasso illustrations for this article if we can find them under GFDL. Eusebeus 19:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup Underway 

message: I have made significant changes to the flow and contents of the article.
*Added subheads; ordered list
*Linguistic disambiguations, clarifications, and definitions
*Rearrangement and editing of much of the text.
Please review and compare to previous changes for glaring wikisyntax.
PlasticDoor 19:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significant changes and reflow/rewrite executed Jan 28-29 2007 

message: 1. It has been noted that the article does not follow the encyclopedic wikipedia conventions for Novels entries. I agree.  In my initial attempts at cleanup, I focused only on clarification of the existing entry (grammar, logical ordering, etc.) Much of the lead-in was subheaded under "Overview"; that, it is agreed, should be in the Lead-in. Plot summaries need further development. The history also needs more development. There is a substantial amount of information on the Spanish WIkipedia location, albiet it is deemed by some commenters there to be too overburdened and dense. 
2. There is too much extraneous matter in the form of lists which are better purposed as redirects to their own articles. These lists interrupt the flow and readability of the main article. Subentries such as that about Foucault is not relevant to this main article. The article on Foucault should instead be referencing the Quixote article.
3. I also propose that a redirect page be created under the heading "Quijote" because that is the Spanish conventional spelling present-day. This would be to assist/provide cross-reference to non-English speakers who do not use the "ex" form of the spelling. (NB-could arguably be trivial.)
--PlasticDoor 16:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article layout and extraneous matter 

message: This article contains a rather poor translation of the opening line in Don Quijote.
"In some place in La Mancha, whose name I do not want to recall, it was not so long ago there dwelt a gentleman of the type wont to keep an unused lance, an old shield, a skinny old horse, and a greyhound for racing."
In English translations I remember it being translated as "In a village of La Mancha, the name of which I do not wish to recall, there lived not long ago a gentleman (more specifically a nobleman) of those who keep a lance in the rack, an aged shield, a broken-down horse/hack and a greyhound for racing" Angryafghan 20:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of opening sentence 

message: I agree that the Tirant is a source for the Quijote, but is only one of many other listed, and is somewhat of an anomaly in relation to other chivalric romances due to its realism.  I'd be happy to help expand the "sources" section since it needs some serious work. Bewtros 03:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources section needs work 

message: I moved the "see also" section to its normal position at the end of the article text but prior to references, simplified a few titles, and removed the non-standard level one titles.  No other editorial material was added or removed with this edit.  It would be nice to have the bibliographic section at the end (following references) with current English editions included. It looks like most of the ones listed in the commented out bib. are Spanish editions.  Also, the whole cultural legacy area makes the article large enough (currently 51k) to consider making it a separate subarticle. --Blainster 20:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section order and format 

message: I had changed something using the Raffel translation, which was changed because "the first one [translation of the first sentence] sounded better" (see history).  However, whoever changed this should change the entire sentence to the translation they are using and ALSO change the reference, since I was quoting from the published translation and we can't change this at will.  I'm not familiar with the Grossman translation, which may be our best bet, but the Shelton one is a bit old-fashioned, if still helpful in places.  Bewtros 21:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many ways to translate lugar. Place is one of them. Please wait for consensus before imposing edits upon cited sources. Ronbo76 21:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true.  However, almost every Spanish edition of the text notes that lugar is not used in the general sense of "place" but rather the following taken from the authoritative edition by Francisco Rico:  lugar: no con el valor de ‘sitio o paraje’, sino como ‘localidad’ y en especial ‘pequeña entidad de población’, en nuestro caso situada concretamente en el Campo de Montiel (I, 2, 47, y 7,93), a caballo de las actuales provincias de Ciudad Real y Albacete. Seguramente por azar, la frase coincide con el verso de un romance nuevo.   I will wait for others to confirm this reading before making changes, but anyone who has a knowledge of early modern Spanish and has read an annotated Spanish original would agree.  Bewtros 22:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What translation to use? 

message: I'm writing since what we have quoted as Raffel's translation of the first sentence is incorrect.  Raffel's translation reads "In a village in La Mancha (I don't want to bother you with its name) there lived, not very long ago, one of those gentlemen who keep a lance in the lance-rack, an ancient shield, a skinny old horse, and a fast greyhound" (p.13) and not "In a village in La Mancha (whose name I do not care to recall) there lived, not very long ago, one of those gentlemen who keep a lance in the lance-rack, an ancient shield, a skinny old horse, and a fast greyhound."  I can see the previous user's logic in changing the translation, but if we agree that that's the best way to put it (another option would be to change the preceding paragraph) we should acknowledge that the translation we have is a modified version of Raffel's translation and not his translation as it appears in published form.  Bewtros 22:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur amigo. Please make the change. Morenooso 01:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of first sentence modified without correcting reference 

message: Hello, in the section about "Editions in translation", the text talks about other authors whose work Grossman has translated. Is that really necessary, because the article is about Don Quixote, and I'm sure that the other people have translated other works too. --Kyoko 03:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's necessary either.  If others agree, it should be cut, as the article could use some trimming! Bewtros 21:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edith Grossman question 

message: Can someone explain to me please how this is a re-telling of Don Quixote? Madame Bovary is a bored provincial wife married to an idiot. What does this have to do with DQ? I cannot see this comparison at all.SmokeyTheCat 14:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like Quixote, Madame Bovary is stuck in a boring provincial town and uses books to fantasise about a more exciting life (in her case, she reads works of French Romanticism rather than tales of chivalry from the Middle Ages). Like Quixote, she confuses literature and life, leading to a series of adventures (in her case love affairs) which end in disillusion and death. (I'm also surprised Dostoyevsky's The Idiot hasn't been mentioned; Prince Myshkin is also modelled on Quixote). --Folantin 11:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we have a source for the Madame Bovary? I will remove it for now: please cite an accepted scholarly source for the claim if reinserted. I think there is too much tendency to view every quixotic character or picaresque novel as somehow inspired by the original. That is too much of a stretch in my view for a credible encyclopedic treatment. Eusebeus 12:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Flaubert's debt to Cervantes is common knowledge, but if you insist . --Folantin 12:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, that'll do. Eusebeus 12:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madame Bovary 

message: there's about 50 conversations about the translation of the first line of the novel, and 0 about the remainder. i.e., the novel's title is translated from spanish 'don quixote' to english 'don quixote'. 'don' in spanish is the same as 'sir' in english. 'doña' being the feminine equivalent. its the same as the british calling their historical/political figures 'lord' and 'lady'. even american media put 'sir' in front of paul mccartney and elton john. but the same respect isnt afforded to spaniards/hispanics who are traditionally given the title 'don/doña' in spanish media. translating 'don' as 'don' may give many non-spanish speakers the impression that quixote's first name is 'don' (its even worse when 'doña' is misspelt as 'dona' and put in front of a woman's name, so some may think that that's the spanish version of 'donna' and part of her name). the same situation occurs in translating titles from other language, and many westerners assume that that's part of person's name. i cant do anything about those instances, but i can say something about this. the title should be revised to accurately indicate the title. but dont go as far to translate 'La Mancha', because 'The Stain' doesnt sound like a good place to be from.4.230.153.57 00:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid the title should remain as, if only because of 400 years of tradition in English translation (Shelton, the first translator, translated the title as The Historie of the Valorous and Wittie Knight-Errant, Don Quixote of the Mancha. Moreover, Don Quixote is what Don Quixote names himself in the novel--Cervantes is ridiculing the fact that a lower nobleman (an hidalgo) treats himself as if he were a caballero, a higher noble that actually does deserve the title 'don.' Thus the joke in the text's full title, "El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha." The disconnect between 'don' and 'hidalgo' would have been immediately apparent and humorous to contemporary Spanish readers. I also doubt that there would be much confusion with the character's first name being "Don." Bewtros 21:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Translation 

message: Someone wrote the following: 
"Georg Philipp Telemann wrote an orchestral suite entitled Don Quichotte and an opera called Don Quichotte auf der Hochzeit des Camacho, based on an episode from the novel.
Die Hochzeit des Camacho, an early opera by Felix Mendelssohn (composed in 1827) is based on the same section of the book on which Telemann based his opera."
As a matter of fact, it is my recollection from studying the book in school that the plot of the ballet, i.e., Kitri's wedding, does not actually appear in the book at all.  Can someone clarify this?  I seem to recall that I was told that this incident was just made up by someone else.  The ballet receives its title not due to an incident but because it takes the theme from Don Quijote - namely based on the theme of his love for Dulcinea.
If it is in fact based on an incident from the book, I would appreciate it if someone would cite the chapter so I can look it up.  
Thanks. 65.14.60.2 07:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about source of ballet plot 

message: We have articles about Sancho Panza and Rocinante, but no articles about the title character. Let's work on it.
Lovelac7 04:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that. He's the main character and the title; he needs at least his own page. Paperbullet (talk) 19:20, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don Quixote (character) 

message: "'Dulcinea' (...), nor does she actually appear in the novel."
Who wrote this absurd???[Special:Contributions/201.19.89.182|201.19.89.182]] (talk) 21:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dulcinea 

message: Which character appears to have an eating disorder as suggested in this article? Or does this refer to the mention of pica? Quixote's ascetic diet? or Sancho's gluttony and occasional vomiting. I notice that in the Norton Critical Edition there is an essay entitled: "Anselmo's eating disorder" by Professor Wey-Gómez. I don't recall anything of the sort from that episode but I do not have access to the essay to clarify.
--Homo loquens (talk) 18:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eating disorder in Don Quixote? 

message: The section about influence in literature points out the influence on a work by Michel Foucault:
"The novel plays an important part in Michel Foucault's book, The Order of Things. To Foucault, Quixote's confusion is an illustration of the transition to a new configuration of thought in the late sixteenth century. Quixote, by confusing semiology and hermeneutics, attempts to apply an anachronistic epistemological configuration to a new intellectual world, a new episteme, in which hermeneutics and semiology have been separated."
However, Marx had already quoted a similar example from Don Quixote a century before Foucault's ideas. I'm not implying that Foucault was necessarily influenced by Marx that particular way but I think adding Marx's example can complete the idea of "influence on literature" better by providing a bit of more context. English's not my first langauge, though (as you may have noticed). So I'm just leaving this note as a little "request".--Quinceps (talk) 05:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don Quixote's influence on Karl Marx's Das Kapital 

message: I can't really see that Carlos Fuentes rather stale joke has anything to do in a paragraph on possible co-writers. If it at all belongs in this article it would be in a section on the novel's influence of later literature. — Linkomfod (talk) 03:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuentes 

message: I have removed the reference to Cervantes as "El Compinche". The way it was included was rather frivolous and even insulting, reducing the name of a great literary figure to the level of an article that one might find in People Magazine or Entertainment Weekly. AlbertSM (talk) 21:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "El Compinche" 

message: I was just rereading Don Quixote in the Norton World Masterpieces anthology, and they cut tons of important stuff out.  I came onto Wikipedia, mostly because I'm lazy, to try to figure out what was left out, but the summary is very barebones, mostly vague references.  One earlier comment said the summary would be filled out.  I might lend a hand at one point as best I can, but I have two specific requests.  Norton leaves out the naming ceremony and the battle for the shaving basin.  To me, those are two basic iconic things associated with Don Quixote.  I think the summary needs a lot of filling out, but two integral facts to also include are the naming ceremony where he's first called the Knight of the Sad Face or Woeful Countenance (I've seen dozens of translations, so maybe the original spanish there which I do not know) and where he steals the shaving basin -- iconically that's the helmut he's always depicted wearing, so I think it needs a mention, even if it's just brief.F. Simon Grant (talk) 17:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filling out the summary 

message: As User:Bewtros already noted in 2007, Tirant lo Blanch is indeed mentioned several times in Don Quixote, but so are many other works. Tirant's being a source should be properly referenced. Without proper referencing it shouldn't be a whole section in itself. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tirant lo Blanch as a source 

message: The fact box claims
 Original title El ingenioso hidalgo don Quijote de la Mancha
I was under the impression that the original title used QuiXote (as in 
English) and that QuiJote is modern Spanish. If this is the case, it is
misleading to refer to the modern Spanish title as the original title.
Can someone clarify this?
88.77.156.126 (talk) 07:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact box: X or J 

message: It looks like roughly half of the article is about other works, and not the ostensible subject of the article - the book by Cervantes.  This is a bit excessive, don't you all think? Ekwos (talk) 21:06, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half of the Article is About Other Works 

message: Is it just me, or does it seem both redundant and inappropriate to refer to Don Quixote as quixotic? Let alone twice in the same paragraph, which, no matter the word, would be over usage.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.248.184 (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quixotic 

message: Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep ten threads.--Oneiros (talk) 23:23, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: --Oneiros (talk) 11:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automate archiving? 

message: I have just reverted to the existing version of the above, as translated by Shelton: available at this etext version. --Technopat (talk) 07:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Curious Impertinent 

message: Are you sure that there's "ʃ" in the Dutch pronunciation? Also, I'm not sure about "χ" in the German and Scots pronunciations. Shouldn't it be "x"? Mountleek (talk) 14:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: It should be noted that the pronunciation in the article is American Spanish, with a particulary soft pronunciation of the "χ" (even softer than in English "h"..., almost no Spaniard would pronounce it so soft).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.42.13.179 (talk) 03:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Read Pronunciation 

message: Rich Farmbrough, 03:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Our Time 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Gustave Doré - Miguel de Cervantes - Don Quixote - Part 1 - Chapter 1 - Plate 1 "A world of disorderly notions, picked out of his books, crowded into his imagination".jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on September 29, 2010. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2010-09-29. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng  {chat} 17:56, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Gustave Doré - Miguel de Cervantes - Don Quixote - Part 1 - Chapter 1 - Plate 1 "A world of disorderly notions, picked out of his books, crowded into his imagination".jpg]] to appear as POTD soon 

message: I'll split off  the "cultural refs" article tomorrow (see above discussion). Spangle  (talk) 19:19, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created the split adaptations article as Cultural influence of Don Quixote. It needs a lot more referencing. I will re-add the section on visual arts tomorrow. The article is framed in terms of 'adaptations' so that trivia such as TV episodes and single lines in songs etc (of which there is always a truck load) is not invited. Discussion, thoughts, help welcome. Best wishes Spangle  (talk) 22:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split off article 

message: I read somewhere that Freud read Don Quixote one summer while a medical student or the summer before going to medical school and that the work had a great influence on the development of Freud's great work. Could that be included?--Oracleofottawa (talk) 00:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sigmund Freud 

message: Surely there should be a mention (if not a section) of the many inconsistencies in the book and theories regarding them? It was one of the primary reasons for differences in the vast number of later editions of the book. Lathrop is of the opinion that they were deliberate while Ormsby maintained that Cervantes did not care much about the work. I think it is of encyclopedic importance. Naumz (talk) 00:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on inconsistencies in the novel? 

message: The article said:  Some theories exist that question whether Cervantes alone wrote Don Quixote.  Carlos Fuentes raises an intriguing possibility that, "Cervantes leaves open the pages of a book where the reader knows himself to be written and it is said that he dies on the same date, though not on the same day, as William Shakespeare. It is further stated that perhaps both were the same man."Fuentes, Carlos (1988)  Myself With Others: Selected Essays Farrar, Straus and Giroux..
It did not belong into the section it was in, and in any kind, it is hardly relevant second hand source for a claim in weasel words. -- Zz (talk) 13:33, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shakespeare 

message: Should an "In Popular Culture" section be added? I don't know a whole lot of references in famous things, but in The Sorcerer's Apprentice, a deleted scene shows Cage's character finding a Don Quixote book and remarking "Don Quixote?! I haven't read one of his works in, oh, 400 years!" or something of the sort. I feel that we'd need more references to Don Quixote in popular culture to have a section on it, but the above example inspired it. Venku Tur'Mukan (talk) 18:36, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a section on cultural references, but it grew too large and was split off to List of works influenced by Don Quixote.  However, the brief mention of Don Quixote in The Sorcerer's Apprentice sounds a bit too trivial to be included there. It seems to fail the test described at Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content#Good and bad popular culture references. AtticusX (talk) 20:56, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Culture 

message: Just helping the random high school or college student, or the ignorant who wishes to get edumacated (that's a joke, by the way), the name of the character is said like this: "Don Coyote".
Nevermind, I just realized "Coyote" and "Quixote" are both of Spanish origin, and a fella mind just say "Don Kai Yoat."
Okay, then think of, say, Don Key Yo Tea! There! Or, I suppose, Don Kai Yo Tea.
I made more of a mess than I should've. Thanks, Hanna-Barbera! Apple8800 (talk) 10:13, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, there are various legitimate pronunciations (see pronunciation section of the article).  /ˈkwɪksət/ (quicksut) is one of them. Span (talk) 20:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helping here: It's not "Don Quicks Oat" 

message: I wanted to add this external link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ElQuijote
A project through which spanish speakers around the world read Don Quixote, organized by the Real Academia Española, the royal academy for the regularisation of Spanish. I was not allowed as bots do not like youtube links :) If someone could add it, well, great
190.194.221.77 (talk) 03:53, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal Spanish Academy, Don Quixote read out loud 

message: "He dons an old suit of ice cream" - is this vandalism or some literary joke I haven't got?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.171.98 (talk) 03:09, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It was vandalism reverted. Feel free to check the history and revert it yourself. Span (talk) 08:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  suit of ice cream 

message: I am terrible at wikipedia and don't have time to figure out how to do this myself right now, but I think the part in the plot summary about part 2 "often [being] regarded as the birth of modern literature" needs a citation, it certainly raised my eyebrows.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akyuun (talk • contribs) 22:59, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth of Modern Literature 

message: Hello visitors to the Don Quixote Talk page. I am going to do a major/minor overhaul of the parts of the article, beginning with "plot". If you have any objections, please raise them. I should mention that I am working with the work in various translations, and could use somebody with familiarity with the original. 
I am basing my division of the book somewhat according to Samuel Putnam's work. The Four-book/part/volume structure of Part 1 seems to be a nuisance thematically, the first two sallies unevenly divided between part/books 1 and 2 and the adventures with Cardenio completely broken by the division of books 3 and 4 for, so I have ignored it.
Speaking of ignoring things, the plot section is noted as being too cluttered. I am going to have to justify the length by saying that this is a 900-page novel picaresque novel simply bursting with incidence, and will ideally look something like the article for the Aeneid, but could probably contain the length of the plot section of the Mahabharata article. --Artimaean (talk) 02:32, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working on plot. Stop me if you wish. 

message: "Cervantes wrote his work in a form of Old Castilian or Ladino, a Sephardic Jewish language derived from Hebrew and Aramaic and that became the medieval form of the Spanish language" That's completely foolish!!!! Don Quixote (the romance) is written in XVI century Spanish. Don Quixote (the character), anyway, try speak in a kind of old style language (an imitation, XVI century fashioned, of medieval language) because the influence of chivalry stories. But nothing about "ladino", which is a Spanish dialect, strongly differentiated and strongly influenced by local languages (Turkish, Greek, French, Italian, Arab, nor Hebrew neither Aramaic), spoken only outside Spain by Sephardic communities along Mediterranean Sea. Don Quixote is written in a blend of Hebrew and Aramaic? Who wrote this text know something about Spanish, ladino, Hebrew either Aramaic? Has he read Don Quixote?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.43.147.126 (talk) 09:53, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted this claim, as it is incredible in every sense of the word. -Lbarquist (talk) 12:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don Quixote language 

message: As of Oct. 13, 2012, someone has very casually interpolated new interpretitve content.  
I am an editor, but not in the field of Spanish lit.  The casual interpolator sounds 
like an informed person, but he/she has devolved the article into unclarity.  An 
expert needs to re-edit the Don Quixote page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fsprotaryfrazeehouseinc (talk • contribs) 02:54, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  article on Don Quixote in en.wikipedia 

message: Obviously, this is useful on the page on the opera, and the page on adaptations, but is it any use in this article? It's striking, at the least. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this image any use here? 

message: Quoted from Michael Heinrich's interview
Question: But which role then do individuals play in society?
Heinrich: We have to distinguish between individual persons and the possibilities of
individuality. To make this more clear we can use an example which also Marx
used in Capital in a footnote in the section on “Commodity fetishism,” where he
pointed to Don Quixote, this famous figure of Cervantes’ classical novel. Don
Quixote is living in the early 17th century and he has read so many novels about
knights and their adventures (which he takes for the truth) that he himself wants to
become a knight and finally travels around Spain riding on a horse with the armor
of a medieval knight. His adventures, which sound very funny to us, mainly rest
on misunderstandings. Why does it sound so funny? Don Quixote tries to realize
a form of individuality which belongs to the medieval society. What he did would
make at least some sense in medieval society, but in the post-medieval society of the
17th century his behavior looks crazy and stupid. The structure of society defines
the forms of a usual, normal individuality. And the persons living in this society
consider such forms mostly as quite “natural.” But two or three hundred years earlier
the forms of individuality were very different because the society was different. I’m
not saying that every person is determined by society, as persons can choose, and
Don Quixote tried to realize a different form of individuality than the form which
was usual for his times. But society reacts in a certain way, you are considered to
be stupid or even mad and you become an outsider. When you want to avoid this,
you have to restrict yourself to the usual forms of individuality.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.68.252 (talk) 06:23, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marx's take on Don Quixote 

message: @ Rarevogel: What scientific publications echoed the work of Mr Tariq and Moslems influence of Don Quixote? If you have scientific references => no problem. No scientific references  => it's no acceptable. No specialist Don Quixote evokes the idea. See for example  Jean Canavaggio's work - internationally known specialist--St Malo (talk) 15:44, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  @ Rarevogel: Who between  specialists Don Quixote confirm your story and presentation of the facts ? Without recognition by experts, it is non-encyclopedic assumption => no place on WP. --St Malo (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don Quixote and Islam 

message: The article says that the book is written in the picaresque style, but does it belong in the WP Picaresque novels category or no? Aristophanes68 (talk) 18:35, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picaresque category? 

message: All we need is the meaningless, ridiculous opinion of some pathetic leftist and we're going to pretend that Cervantes, the devout Catholic, wrote works of nihilism?
You guys are such a joke.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.32.91.98 (talk) 06:30, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Horrible article

message: The book does not have one title. There is one title for the first part, and a different title (caballero instead of hidalgo) for the second part. This difference is not trivial. See how the Spanish Wikipedia does it: they just call it Don Quijote de la Mancha. :es:Don Quijote de la Mancha
Most readers of this article would be better served by using the modern spellings in the Spanish title, rather than the now-archaic seventhteenth-century spellings.
These changes I made in implementing the above were undone by @Jonesey95    deisenbe (talk) 14:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of DQ 

message: The main article says that Don Quijote "has been translated into more languages than any book other than the Bible". On the wikipedia page for list of literary works by number of translations Don Quijote ranks ~35th with only 48 translations. This information is conflicting.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.21.23 (talk) 06:28, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That list is full of garbage. 253 translations of St. Exupery's The Little Prince? Give me a break. deisenbe (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Translations 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Note that confirmation of the connection of the Instituto Cervantes, Sydney to the Soundcloud page linked to for the podcast can be found at http://sidney.cervantes.es/en/special_activity.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zacha (talk • contribs) 06:34, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 Added Links, 1 COI

message: The article is rather poor. I don't have the time, but I think translating the much more complete spanish article would be better.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.120.231.116 (talk) 00:52, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The lead sentence currently reads:
:Don Quixote ..., fully titled The Ingenious Nobleman Sir Quixote of La Mancha (Spanish: El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha, ...), is a Spanish novel ...
It may sound trivial but it seems very strange to say the common name is "Don Quixote" and then say the full title is "The Ingenious Nobleman Sir Quixote of La Mancha". Aside from the fact that sir is not even technically an accurate translation (it is really esquire), it make more sense to simply use don since that is what is being used in the abbreviated name. It is bizarre to be inconsistent.
Perhaps equally important, most sources that provide the full English-language title use don, i.e. "The Ingenious Nobleman Don Quixote of La Mancha". For example:
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-- MC 2605:6000:EC16:C000:788F:7B8E:6EFE:4126 (talk) 04:14, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Observation: lead sentence 

message: When I was in high school, we read a book about an apocalyptic future, which seemed to be the aftermath of a nuclear war, until someone pointed out that the copyright date was before nuclear weapons were invented, and therefore we could not be correct in our interpretation.
I imagine that someone, someday, will read about Don Quixote, assume that Cervantes was satirizing Donald Trump by creating a character who attacks windmills and is delusional, and try to edit this article to point out the "obvious", without feeling the need for a reliable source.  Please don't.  Don Quixote was written over 400 years before the Trump Presidency.  Any similarities are just a coincidence.  Thank you.
47.139.40.232 (talk) 05:15, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future edits to this article 

message: Gustave Doré's illustrations are great, but they seem overused in this article. There are more illustrators of Don Quixote: :c:Category:Don Quixote by chapter. strakhov (talk) 06:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: In section 2, Meaning we have:
Acclaimed, perhaps, but not highly acclaimed, considering Edith Grossman#cite note-6.
Senra (talk) 16:04, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edith Grossman's ''highly acclaimed'' translation? 

message: I don't know anything about Don Quixote, but the article lists three different spellings for one name: Micomicona, Miconiconia, and Micomiconia, and I don't know which one it is.
Quirk4 (talk) 01:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't know how to correct typo 

message: Hi all,
I'd like to rejigger Template:Don Quixote a little - it seems odd to me that it includes some fairly marginal things (like Super Don Quix-ote) but not some of the major works which were influenced by DQ, though not direct adaptations - per List of works influenced by Don Quixote, these include The Knight of the Burning Pestle, Joseph Andrews, The Female Quixote, and Madame Bovary. What say you to another line on the template for works influenced by DQ? Obviously it wouldn't be exhaustive, but I think this is a part of the cultural impact of the novel that's worth including in the template. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:00, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related works in the template 

message: Lathrop's translation is from 2011... at least, when I bought a copy, the copyright date is 2011. Is this the same translation listed here as 2005? Was it changed? I'm trying to pin down the discrepancy.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.47.30.202 (talk) 23:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lathrop