Talk:Rink hockey

message: Let's try to create and edit club pages, championships, and get more and more information about this great sport. I've already started. Check:
OC Barcelos
Rink Hockey Portuguese Championship 2005-06
AJ Viana
Candelária SC
We got to make this sport more popular. I've also created the category "Rink Hockey"
Serte 19:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, when I was a goalie our sticks were exactly the same as the outfield players, but that was at a very amateurish youth level, so I could be wrong or it might have changed. --Noikeee 15:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rink Hockey Fans

message: Roller Hockey is the Wiki-venue to explain and document two things:
1.Roller Hockey doesn't simply mean Inline Hockey
and also doesn't only mean
2.Rink hockey and Inline Hockey.
 
Roller Hockey DOES mean two variants:
"Hardball Hockey - Hóquei em Patins - Rink hockey", and  Inline Hockey. 
There are two different varients of Roller hockey.
 
"Rink Hockey - Hardball Hockey - Hóquei em Patins", are all the same sport...and then there is another rollersport- Inline Hockey.
Complicating, yes, but clarification isn't ignoring Hardball Hockey and Hóquei em Patins by redirecting those queries to Rink Hockey.
Roller Hockey should explain both varients and respect world culture and namings offering further understanding to the public.
Hardballhock (alternate name and disambiguation)'
:The two sports should have different articles because they are two different sports. Unless you want to join also ice hockey and field hockey, which I don't think so, leave this as it is! --Serte 13:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rink hockey is Hardball Hockey is Hóquei em Patins and should be explained at Roller Hockey

message: There are two different types of roller hockey and the differences can be explained at Roller_hockey. Field hockey and Ice Hockey are described at  Hockey.
Hardball Hockey and Hoquei em Patins are Rink Hockey. All three are Roller Hockey. SO....is inline hockey . The differences should be explained with detail at Roller Hockey- It is important to point out that there is an equal number of folks in the world who call Rink Hockey- ROLLER HOCKEY and one page in WIKI can explain all of this. Hardballhock (alternate name and disambiguation)'
:If there is anumber of folks in the world who call it rink hockey, why not make there a small page with little explaining of the two different sports to disambiguiate and then make the pages of each as most complete as it can about it. I mean, what about the rink hockey template? You can't put it in the roller hockey, because it has nothing to do with the other variant of the game. Why put the two things in the same when they can be separated and everyone can work better at the article of the sport they like? I don't know where you're from, but I'm from Portugal and this is the country with most world titles ever in rink hockey, and there no inline hockey here, there aren't teams or even a championship. There's nothing, just the rink hockey(Hóquei em Patins). Just because you can play both poker and blackjack with a set of cards, it doesn't mean they shouldn't have different articles, because they are different games (sports) with different rules and different equipment...--Serte 18:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: There are two different varients of Roller hockey.

message: ok, but let's take another example. If you go to Europe and say football, you'll get Football (soccer), if you go to America and say football, you'll get American football. If we follow your logic, these two different sports (and all the other football sports) shouldn't have separated articles also, because you have to adopt a world-wide view and every sport with the name of football should be under the article of football and nothing more... I hope this explanation helps... Roller hockey should be a disambiguation page just as football is for every different roller hockey sport there should be more detailed articles. Understand that this roller hockey (inline and rink/hardball) it's just exactly exactly exactly the same as football (american, soccer, rugby, australian and so on...) and if they have separated articles, why shouldn't these sports have when they are different? Just because in some parts of the world they're called the same... Maybe making articles like Roller hockey (rink) and Roller hockey (inline) to add to the roller hockey article would meet your satisfactions, no?--Serte 13:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ...

message: "Rink Hockey - Hardball Hockey - Hóquei em Patins", are all the same sport and are called Roller_hockey. I recognize that Roller Hockey is also a name for Inline style hockey . To help you Football at Wiki explains This article deals with the history and development of the numerous sports around the world known as football and then describes and helps the public get to know the difference.
Roller_hockey could do the same when describing Roller Hockey played on Inline skates and Roller Hockey played on quad skates. The public should know Roller Hockey is two sports -what better place to clarify this than at Roller_hockey. Referring to the sport as Roller Hockey respects every countries personal naming conventions: redirecting Roller_hockey to Rink Hockey or Hardball Hockey or Hóquei em Patins or Inline for that matter indicates to the public that the redirected page or link is specifically the 'real overarching nameHardballhock
:HB, you are not keepinig an open mind on the subject. Inline roller hockey and Rink hockey are not the same, and should thus not be in the same page. Their similarities are basicly the same they have with ice hockey, which you would never think of having in the same page. The article as it is makes no sence. Mariano(t/c) 08:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't read what I write. I never said this or other sport should be in neither article, I'm just saying it is unacceptable to have to different sports in one single page. Perhaps the solution is to make a disambiguation page out of this, and provide the links to both sports' articles. Mariano(t/c) 08:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ...reply

message: After so many replies you still didn't understand that I KNOW rink hockey/hardball and hóquei em patins are the same. I KNOW the different sport is inline, jesus, how didn't you understand that? I don't how else to do more... And try to look on the SAME REPORT YOU GAVE THE LINK FROM, that 1992 olympics and check for a sport called football. And then search for football in wikipedia. Then, you'll see that the IOC football is not the same as the wikipedia football. You'll get the football (soccer) there. Should we change it too? It's the same thing, exactly, the same name for different sports. And I don't see all the football articles in the same article. Also, I've seen stores and even equipment to store hóquei em patins balls with rink hockey written all over it. And it was brought from England, so I guess somebody still calls it rink hockey... (sorry for the caps)--Serte 13:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Geez

message: I understand that a lot of people call this sport rink hockey. I also know you understand all these sports are the same- The point is not everyone does, so Wiki Roller_hockey needs to be complete and accurate.
I understand you know Roller Hockey is a name used for inline and quad styles of the sport. I am heaingr you say Roller_hockey should explain there are two sports and then there should be two dedicated pages that come from that- specifically a page called  inline and a page called rink hockey.
I understand that you see rink hockey as the name for the quad style sport.
I understand you see Roller hockey as the name for the inline style sport.
The entire world does not see the quad style rollersport as Rink Hockey, as you do. 
A large number of players around the world know the sport as Roller Hockey exclusively or as an overarching name for the quad style. Many Championships and the Olympics have referred to the sport as Roller Hockey too. Many countries as I have shown do not see  RinkHockey as the exclusive name of the sport. So no page should indicate that Rink_hockey is the overarching name. Rink_hockey is member to Roller Hockey., as is Hardball Hockey, Patins, Skids, etc.
Also, Since the onset of Inline skates a large number of players who play inline style hockey have used the name Roller Hockey exclusively, but also have a other names to identify their sport.
I agree, Quad style players have used the name Roller Hockey long before Inline players existed, yet the inline style is also well known as Roller Hockey. Inline Hockey has nothing to do with quad style hockey. 
===I  propose the Roller_hockey article should have something like the following parts:===
(When talking about the sport , it will always be referred to as Roller Hockey under the Heading or page. The Heading or page will differentiate and contextualize the two sports)
====Parts====
1. A  clarification of two rollersports that are called Roller Hockey, describing styles and validating both sports who use Roller_hockey as an overarching name.
2. How the two sports are different. This piece could briefly describe the equipment and refer to Governing bodies and how the two sports are unrelated.
3. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Inline skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (inline) 
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks who know this sport. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Inline_hockey because there is another sport called Roller Hockey. 
4. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Quad skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (quad) Not rink hockey
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks like you who know this sport but from a world wide perspective. Pages using other same names, would redirect to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Rink_hockey because Roller_hockey is the overarching name for the (quad) sport with many names and can also mean (Inline). All of the individual sport names from different regions would be member to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey will respect any existing regions naming convention.
5. See also.
6. External Links
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***IF a page, were used instead of a Heading, the new page would have to share Roller_hockey with either (quad) or (inline) following. A Heading for example #3 could exist at the same time a page could replace Heading #4 for example. But at the page or the Heading, the contributor would freely refer to itself as Roller Hockey when referring to the sport since the Heading or (quad) or (inline) extension to the name would  provide clarification.  
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This way each sport still can refer to the sport as Roller Hockey AND the public will learn how the names overlap.  The overarching name would remain Roller Hockey for both sports (quad) or (inline) would make a differentiation without favoring any one country's or world region's naming convention. The differention would be based on the skate equipment, and Wiki will be accurate and provide useful understanding to the public. Any hybrids of the sport would be listed under See also.  
Hardballhock 02:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Geez reply

message: (When talking about the sport , it will always be referred to as Roller Hockey under the Heading or page. The Heading or page will differentiate and contextualize the two sports)
====Parts====
1. A  clarification of two rollersports that are called Roller Hockey, describing styles and validating both sports who use Roller_hockey as an overarching name.
2. How the two sports are different. This piece could briefly describe the equipment and refer to Governing bodies and how the two sports are unrelated.
3. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Inline skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (inline) 
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks who know this sport. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Inline_hockey because there is another sport called Roller Hockey. 
4. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Quad skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (quad) Not rink hockey
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks like you who know this sport but from a world wide perspective. Pages using other same names, would redirect to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Rink_hockey because Roller_hockey is the overarching name for the (quad) sport with many names and can also mean (Inline). All of the individual sport names from different regions would be member to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey will respect any existing regions naming convention.
5. See also.
6. External Links
------
***IF a page, were used instead of a Heading, the new page would have to share Roller_hockey with either (quad) or (inline) following. A Heading for example #3 could exist at the same time a page could replace Heading #4 for example. But at the page or the Heading, the contributor would freely refer to itself as Roller Hockey when referring to the sport since the Heading or (quad) or (inline) extension to the name would  provide clarification.  
-----
This way each sport still can refer to the sport as Roller Hockey AND the public will learn how the names overlap.  The overarching name would remain Roller Hockey for both sports (quad) or (inline) would make a differentiation without favoring any one country's or world region's naming convention. The differention would be based on the skate equipment, and Wiki will be accurate and provide useful understanding to the public. Any hybrids of the sport would be listed under See also.  
Hardballhock 02:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I  propose the Roller_hockey article should have something like the following parts:

message: 1. A  clarification of two rollersports that are called Roller Hockey, describing styles and validating both sports who use Roller_hockey as an overarching name.
2. How the two sports are different. This piece could briefly describe the equipment and refer to Governing bodies and how the two sports are unrelated.
3. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Inline skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (inline) 
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks who know this sport. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Inline_hockey because there is another sport called Roller Hockey. 
4. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Quad skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (quad) Not rink hockey
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks like you who know this sport but from a world wide perspective. Pages using other same names, would redirect to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Rink_hockey because Roller_hockey is the overarching name for the (quad) sport with many names and can also mean (Inline). All of the individual sport names from different regions would be member to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey will respect any existing regions naming convention.
5. See also.
6. External Links
------
***IF a page, were used instead of a Heading, the new page would have to share Roller_hockey with either (quad) or (inline) following. A Heading for example #3 could exist at the same time a page could replace Heading #4 for example. But at the page or the Heading, the contributor would freely refer to itself as Roller Hockey when referring to the sport since the Heading or (quad) or (inline) extension to the name would  provide clarification.  
-----
This way each sport still can refer to the sport as Roller Hockey AND the public will learn how the names overlap.  The overarching name would remain Roller Hockey for both sports (quad) or (inline) would make a differentiation without favoring any one country's or world region's naming convention. The differention would be based on the skate equipment, and Wiki will be accurate and provide useful understanding to the public. Any hybrids of the sport would be listed under See also.  
Hardballhock 02:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Parts

message: Take a look at the Roller Hockey layout and the pages connected to it.  How can this be improved. The point was to  clarify and respect the naming conventions- using Roller Hockey as the overarching name (Quad) (Inline).--Hardballhock 20:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I tried to bring  clarification