Talk:Betrayal at Krondor

message: I'd like to reconsider having my contrib about the quest items added, perhaps rewritten in a shorter format. The main reason I've added this info is to illustrate yet another "featureglitch" that BaK featured - a unique aspect of the game that can be noticed by an observant player, giving them an edge. Glitch? Feature? Cheat? You decide :D  ... I just think it's cool that BaK had a few things like that, made the repeat gameplay that much more interesting. Think about it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1927metropolis (talk • contribs) 08:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Quest Items (Spyglass / Spider) Glitch - or intended "feature" for observant players?

message: i want to add the download location for the game (which i did and was subsequently removed) -- granted i did not know the correct format and the hyperlink was not given a proper description, but still... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.200.20.195 (talk • contribs) .
* Providing a direct download link is nasty because the software is still copyrighted and apparently being sold somewhere. I think the best we can do right now is to put a link to Home of the Underdogs, which merely describes the game (and coincidentally lets you download the game, at least until Vivendi complains). As noted in the article, the game is not freeware according to Vivendi, even when it previously was. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 10:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: older comments

message: what's different in the CD ROM version? (if anything at all) ? (131.130.121.106 08:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've seen two CD-ROM versions, the budget CD and the one that came with the book; The budget version has CD soundtrack and the option to use it in game, and the book version doesn't have the soundtrack but has video interview of Feist. Uh, some of the versions also have Windows help file that has bunch of stuff about the game. And there may have been additional demos/video clips in the book CD too. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 08:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CD-ROM version 

message: Has anyone else noticed that "This Kingdom Mine" (the tune you play when barding) bears an uncanny resemblance to the song "Greensleeves"? Shador5529 23:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that you mention it... yes, yes it does. :)  Chris 03:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "This Kingdom Mine" = "Greensleeves"? 

message: I had to cut down the character bios; most of that stuff was copied from game and/or manual, and we can't have direct copies of stuff here. Plus, that wasn't really helpful in understanding the context anyway and what role they play in the game. (Okay, my stubs don't do that that well either...)
The plot stuff is good, but I guess it's a tad bit too extensive right now. It could be summarised further. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 15:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Appears to be done, according to MagicKnight0233 who deleted this section. I restored it for the sake of talk page history. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 13:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character bios and plot summary 

message: Here's what some IP user added:
: Among computer game players age 25-35, Betrayal at Krondor is lauded for having possibly the best plot in any RPG from the '90s.
: Another important note is it's abundance of items and spells, a fact which went unappreciated up until a few years later, when other games reached the same depth in these particular areas.
...that's pretty much OR and a bit fan-glow, and can't really be put here, unless we find someone with even a modicum of authority who has claimed this.
: For all it's popularity among mature players, however, few young players have ever heard of it, and Raymond Feist have long claimed he wants Midkemia available through this type of media again.
: This could possibly happen in an upcoming MMO text-based game set for release sometime in the near future by IronLore Entertainment.
This can potentially be added, however, if these are sourced somehow. Does anyone have press references? --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 15:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon user's claims... 

message: I distinctly remember the Betrayal at Antara-related freeware release of BaK, but I can't remember the Return to Krondor one. I could be wrong, though. So, the question becomes this: What freeware releases were there, what games did these releases promote, etc? Sources would be nice, even archive.org links to the Sierra site... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 06:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops! My bad. Vranak 15:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what's the deal with the freewaring? 

message: This glitch is not a "minor technicality" like the skill emphasis thing. I
agree that almost anyone can figure out tricks like skill emphasis,
resting in battle, skin of the dragon for traps etc. (although i myself
do not use skin of the dragon in traps bcoz solving them is much more
fun.) Now the mouse/keyboard thing isn't such a thing since i myself
discovered it only after finishing the game once (which involved
several months trying to find Ugyne and a few weeks trying to find the
way to Elvandar (you might call me a bad RPG gamer at this point)) and
starting to play it again years later. I'm pretty sure that not many
people have discovered this themselves (including the person who
deleted my addition.) I haven't seen this in any guide or faq.
Definitely not in ones linked from this site. I want to see it
somewhere on the web where many web surfers who are playing the game
for the 1st time (that might be like 1 per billion people, but that
doesn't matter) will see it. I'm not into blogging yet so i can't
create a whole blog about Krondor worth giving a link from Wikipedia
just so people can know this little detail. So until a person with a
blog/guide that's LINKED FROM HERE adds this VERY IMPORTANT detail to their site please don't delete it.
Besides, the article reveals everything from the characters to the
entire story. I'm sure no one who's playing the 2nd chapter would want
to know that Pug is a player character (i myself discovered it
trying to edit a save file while struggling in chapter 3). I see no
harm in putting this little (but very important) detail there.
Now for why it's "very important":
It lets you play combats much more comfortably and gain the upper hand in battles. There's no part of the game without combats and this "glitch" is useful in every part. And it's not even cheating because i've seen many trolls move forward and defend in the same turn. If they can do it, why can't we, in outnumbered and outpowered situations? It's especially useful at the very start of the game when Owyn can use his only useful spell without losing any health and reduce the enemy's combat skills by 20%.
So please don't delete the information until there's a link to a site with the information.  --Karunyan (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Mouse/Keyboard Glitch 

message: This article is using far too many fair use images. I'm placing a note here so that any of the regular article editors can remove the unnecessary ones if they are so interested. If not, I'll be back in a few days to do it myself. Naerii (talk) 00:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, the screenshots that show various parts of the user interface and gameplay features are okay, but the ones that just show plot stuff aren't necessarily justifiable (textual summaries are just as good). They seem to have been deleted as lacking rationale, anyway... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 12:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use 

message: The dragon magazine is mentioned twice, with the same content. Could be merged --Trickstar (talk) 12:51, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dragon 

message: Hello Wikipedians,
I think it's time we took a serious look at this question: What is the purpose of this article? As it stands, it's a fantastic descriptive article. But Wikipedia article, it is not. It's way denser than it needs to be, and smacks a little of fanboyism.
Now I don't make these comments without merit. In fact, I was the first person to do any real work on the article. Heck, it's why I registered for wikipedia. This is what it looked like when I first found it: []
And here is what I added: here
Of course it was written when I was 6 years younger, and I mostly wrote it a review-ish tone. But now we have a professional-looking, much better article. Cheers to progress.
Nonetheless, because of the initial way I wrote it, I feel somewhat responsible for the fanboy-ish undercurrent in the present article. The fact is simple: an encyclopedia article does not need all of this in-depth information about game mechanics, nor about the plot. Sympathetic as I am, this site is not about BaK veterans. So we have two options:
1) Transfer the existing article to a fan-based site, wikia or something, and clean this one up to Wikipedia standard, maybe even getting featured article status.
2) Leave it as it is.
Have no doubt, achieving choice #1 would require a major overhaul and deletion of much of the present information. Please respond soon--as a community of contributors, we need to decide what the real purpose of this article is, and I would like to take decisive action as soon as possible.
Cheers! GrimmC (talk) 04:03, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your complaints are rather broad -- right now you say it smacks of fanboyism. Could you perhaps give us a few examples, a few sentences, that you object to, so we can understand where you're coming from a little better? Thanks. Vranak (talk) 04:27, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

text: I agree with GrimmC. As entertained as I am by things like placing a heavy object on the keyboard I think those things could be included in a comprehensive guide and submitted to ign or a similar website and a single external link could be left here. --Dhatsavan 09:05, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, you know maybe you have a point. It's like giving away too much to someone who might be a new player. If you want to remove those two things you removed before, I won't revert again. Vranak (talk) 11:10, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's simply not an encyclopedia/wikipedia article. It reads more like a how-to guide. We don't need a chapter-by-chapter plot summary, nor do we need a list of every location in the game. Or any locations, really. Don't need a dramatis personae, nor do we need tips & tricks. If whatever community is involved here is ok with it, I'd like to start cleaning this article up. There is a Midkemia wiki here which we could port the existing article to. Then we could work on increasing this one's real-world relevance. GrimmC (talk) 18:18, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Purpose of this Article 

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