Talk:UK garage

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Dear Sir/Madam,
Please add a note about other meanings of garage-parking space/car workshop etc. I would have done it myself, but I do not want to edit the main page as I am new to Wikipedia and do not want to unintentionally damage/vandalize a page. Thanks a lot and sorry for any inconvenience caused.
Thanks
George E Matthew
Hi guys,
I haven't been to this page since I wrote the article, which is more than a year ago now.
Nice to see that it was awarded the "good article" quality label form Wikipedia. So thanks to everyone who contributed and improved my original article. However, I saw the discussion about the title of the article and wanted to add my thoughts.
When I first wrote it, I wrote it under the "2step". Since then, some of you have changed the titles and now there is this article and the "UKG: UK Garage and Two-step", which is basically the same article again.
I suggest that we clean up this mess. My solution is that we have a disambiguation page with the title "Garage" and two separate articles on UK Garage (where we leave 2step and 4x4) and US garage.
Furthermore I wanted to tell Sven that "heavily shuffled" means exactly what is written in the other article. In other words: yes, link them! :-)
Next, the pronunciation issue: The thing is that US and UK garage are close in terms of history and even closer in terms of terminology (it's both garage, right? *lol*). The different pronunciation on either side of the Atlantic helped many people to distinguish between the two genres and so they deliberately used the different ways to say it. "garaadge" was the US pronunciation and "garridge" was the UK’s version. It's not like it would be relevant for the music itself, but it’s just how the majority of people would refer to it. However, as we’ve seen now, there are people out there (at least in Sussex) who deviate from this "cultural classification". This is the reason why I believe it makes sense to have two separate pages for the articles with two different names, UK and US garage. The main problem is that “Garage” is just the lazy way of referring either to UK or US garage. But without hearing it ("garaadge" or "garridge"?) it is difficult to figure out which one is meant. So please, don’t simply use “garage” as a title for the page as it does not accurately reflect what is really meant (which of course is UK garage in this case).
Last but not least: It's nice to see that the lists of links and artists are being extended, but I believe it's getting too much here. Links like "DJ Emerge- House & UK Garage" and "www.hlsrecords.com" are definitely in the wrong place here. Same goes for artists like Artifact and Danny Bond (D-Tox and DJ Veteran are ok because I like their productions *lol*). No, seriously, this is supposed to be an explanatory article to illustrate what the music is and to give people who are interested in it a starting point of internet references and popular artists if they want to dig deeper. But this is not simply a link collection where every record store or artist can add his page.
Cheers to all of you!
Foresight
 
This page arose bacause I noticed garage means different thing to different people. Maybe it should be a disambiguation page between UK garage and Garage music (US). Or maybe it should stay as it is because they're related. Andy G 11:15 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
:See also The Great Garage Debate 80.43.82.71 16:55, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Good article, but I disagree with the following statement:
 - The correct pronunciation of UK Garage is "Garridge"... - 
But I didn't want to change it without asking what other people think.
I live in Sussex in the UK and I was quite a big fan of UK Garage. I don't pronounce garage as "garridge", but more like "ga-raadge" -  a bit like large. Saying "garridge" is really an accent. To be really pedantic, I don't think the Queen would say "garridge".
::UK Gah-raaaaaaaaj?! HAHA. that sounds very silly. I don't think I know ANYBODY who pronounces "garage" in the context of music like that. It's definitely "garridge".
:::What can I say? I'm from England and I say "Gah-raaaaj". What do you want me to do!!? It's like the old song: "You say neither and I say neither - let's call the whole thing off!" . We could have a fairly pointless argument about this. I haven't got a problem whether anyone says "garridge" or "garaadge", but my main points below still stand: correct pronunciation and relevance.
I accept that a lot of people in the UK would probably say "garridge", but I think the description as "correct pronunciation" is a bit strong. And I wonder whether the sentence is really relevant for the article anyway.
Garage was born in London and had/has it's greatest following in London. Londoners pronounce it 'Garridge' (unless they are upper class) therefore it is 'garridge'. I have heard posh fellows calling it 'garahjjj' and it sounds ridiculous. 
Kid Dynamite
Garaaaj...this bloke must be joking right...I've never heard
anyone say garaaj for the music or the thing you put cars in. Maybe a few people from public school may say garaaj but really he must be having a laugh....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.68.255 (talk) 18:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of  "Garage" 

message: Both Garage (dance music) and UKG: UK Garage and Two-step cover much of the same material.  One is more general and the other includes one of the sub classes in the name.  A merge would eliminate duplicate material and be less confusing.  Vegaswikian 19:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep as separate article Escaper7 17:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: UK and US garage should have seperate articles, they're different styles with completely different origins. If all the subgenres of house, trance, techno and drum & bass have seperate articles then these should too. - Zeibura S. Kathau (Info | Talk) 14:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This difference between UK Garage and Speed Garage stated above is only partially correct. Speed Garage was the name used originally (often in a derogatory manner) for UK Garage when it first emerged as a distinct genre and sub-culture/'scene'. The DJs, promoters and clubbers who went to these nights preferred to UK Garage epithet because it addressed the fact that it was a distinct music (albeit with US garage influences) that was being developed in the UK. SupernautRemix 18:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggested merge 

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thread_title:  Reasons for GA Delisting 

message: Electronic and garage music are entirely different.
Ableton Live is perfect for Techno songs due to the live recording, beat repeat, and special filters to produce a "break" in a dance song.
FL Studio (Fruity Loops) is perfect for creating grimey instrumentals. Note artists Wiley Dexplicit Skepta listen to their instrumentals  at last.fm you can tell it's been made with fruity loops as it sounds like it's bean made with a drum matrix with different instruments making different melodies mixing together. Does that sound like dance music to you? even Channel U A grimey british tv station Channel U TV.
Desbest 21:23, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What makes you think that Garage is dance music? 

message: why is US garage dance music only skimmed over?  there was plenty of US garage music in the 90s and it had little to do with the Disco sounds of the 70s and 80s.  there's way too much slant on UK garage here. Spunkymcpunk 07:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  US garage music 

message: ARGGGGGGGG something needs to be done to reorganise the garage genres!!!??!?!
--Reubot 08:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NY House merger 

message: Okay, someone already started this off by moving everything from UKG: UK Garage and Two-step to Garage (dance music) and turning the former into a redirect, I've finished it by cleaning the UK garage article up a bit and moving it here (seemed the more appropriate title). So there are now only two articles, UK Garage and New York House (the general opinion seemed to be separate articles...) - Zeibura S. Kathau (Info | Talk) 02:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged 

message: Article doesn't have an infobox... I'd like to fix it but I don't know enough about the genre to add one with any useful information.
85.148.120.85 18:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: - Zeibura (Talk) 19:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox? 

message: Dubplates Raver Community Forum Since 2003 UK Garage, Grime, Bassline & other underground genres: Unsigned artists upload and share your music online get free legal mp3 downloads plus live Internet radio shows plus extra features http://www.dubplates.co.uk  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.189.171 (talk) 21:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested external links 

message: i would say it's influenced by dub reggae...quite heavily.  yall feel me?  --Marco Passarani 17:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

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message: Reworded  —Preceding unsigned comment added by RaphaelBriand (talk • contribs) 23:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Person 

message: The article needs to be split into UK Garage (common words for this phenomenon), 2Step and 4x4.  -- Werwerwer11 (talk) 15:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Split

message: This article has become complete crap. Whoever decided to re-write it all has done a horrible job. This was once a "good article" by Wikipedia standards. I've even embedded sequencer loops and audio to illustrate this fascinating style. Now the article's short and bad and it's a shame. Wikipedia at it's worst. I'm disappointed. - Foresight   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Foresight (talk • contribs) 04:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Complete crap

message: Garage has different time frame to house, it may share elements of style with house but only because house covers so many genres. Because Garage is built from the base up on a different time frame its connection to house is strained. The reference to chicago house should be removed, Garage is not 8 bar music it can not be mixed into house music by a DJ because the frames clash, it is called 2 step and 4 x 4 for a reason.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.156.231 (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT HOUSE 

message: This UK Garage is not entirely correct, and not very good, seems to me that its written by either fans who were not involved with the music directly, and in part, someone who is trying to change history.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony Portelli (talk • contribs) 15:21, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Which parts do you suggest are incorrect? tetraedycal 19:51, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Garage