Talk:Marine Corps Martial Arts Program

message: Are Corpsman allowed to take part in MCMAP?
:Yes. I've seen instances where Navy, Army, and foreign military members have earned tan and grey belts. I'm willing to bet that they can't be instructors, but I don't think there is any policy on that. bahamut0013♠♣ 16:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this article, The first non-Marines to become instructors were some Seabees in April 2008. bahamut0013wordsdeeds  11:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Other services?

message: Created a history section, which includes the info from the old Unarmed Combat section, and was therefore replaced. Let me know what you all think. Gelston 04:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For some reason its duplicating the references, but I can't seem to figure out why. It only shows upas 2 when I click show preview, but when I save pageand look at the article, its showing 4.Gelston 04:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a known problem from the last 24 hours. I have the dubious distinction of being the firrst one to report it. Solution here: Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Solution_to_problems_with_footnotes_and_references. Basically, you have to WP:PURGE the page. --Mmx1 04:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So annoying. Have to purge after every little edit. Anyways, put up a disciplines section. Still a few more things I want to add to this article, but I'm trying to keep it easy to read, and don't want to wander off into original research. Gelston 05:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the contributions, but I don't think we need to go into any depth of the individual Martial Cultures - readers can find out about them on their own articles, and they don't have a direct relevance to MCMAP. Yes, they are studied in MCMAP as examples, but there's no direct lineage or influence upon MCMAP. I think it would suffice to have a paragraph explaining the Martial Culture aspect of MCMAP and identify the cultures it studies. --Mmx1 05:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing how there is nothing under Warrior Studies and I do not know enough to put anything there, I removed the heading. "==Warrior Studies==" <-- for the lazy if they want to put it back. Also, maybe adding implementation and criticism sections? I've heard muttering about the inefectiveness of MCMAP in real world situations versus the "tan belt universe" and difficulty in getting instructors to all the units Lesssthan 03:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: The vast majority of this article is devoted to the discussion of unrelated, historical warrior cultures that have a tenuous tie at best to this topic; this could be much more effectively conveyed by a few links to the wikis on the cultures in question so as not to dominate the actual topic.
Beyond that, the article focuses almost entirely on the history of the program and the structure and rules relating thereto and doesn't deal much at all with the actual techniques or any critical analysis.
:I think someone just paraphrased the warrior culture studies from the handbook. I'll shorten the duplicate info and expand into the more Marine specific study. bahamut0013♠♣ 16:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unrelated? 

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I'm sure these won't get a huge amount of use (just how many wikipedians are Marines who were servince while/since this program came out?), but they are there for your consumption. bahamut0013♠♣ 16:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userboxes 

message: Does anyone know anything about civilian establishments that teaches mcmap technique? New York?
I am interested in learning.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.129.99 (talk) 00:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are any, they are most likely run by people with previous military service. Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 21:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Civillian

message: I'm an instructor at Field Medical Training Battalion (East) and ALL Corpsmen that go through either here or at the West Coast are graduating with Tan belts.  This is a new requirement and its definitely benfitting the Navy-Marine Corps team.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.86.226 (talk) 14:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There should be more information regarding U.S. Navy Corpsmen in the article. Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 21:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navy Corpsmen and MCMAP 

message: Are these programs available for both Enlisted and Officers? At first thought I would just think enlisted a NCO's would be involved in it, but It would be nice to know and nice to add to the page. anybody? Fightinginthestreets (talk) 03:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's open to both. I don't think there is anything in the article that indicates that officers are excluded, nor would I fathom why anone would think that. bahamut0013♠♣ 12:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Enlisted and Officers

message: why is there no mention of Rechard Strozzi-Heckler? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.232.240 (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009
:Please do not delete content when you add comments. The deleted discussion has been returned. bahamut0013wordsdeeds  08:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After doing a bit of searching, it seems that while he served as a Marine, provided leadership training for Marines, and is an accomplished martial artist, I can't find any evidence that these areas have intersected. He doesn't seem to have had anything to do with MCMAP. If you have something that illustrates a link there, then please share it with us. bahamut0013wordsdeeds  16:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Strozzi-Heckler

message: Could someone clarify the hours required part?  It seems a bit low, are these hours just for the testing? (Although they seem a bit high for this).  I have no military knowledge but did train in civilian martial arts, and there, it was generally the case that an average person would take around 1500 hours to attain a black belt (Around 10 hours a week for 3 years), and to be instructor level, you'd need at least 5 years, and usually it was closer to 10 before people got awarded.  I can certainly understand the military requiring less hours as they will usually be in much better physical condition than most civilians, and perhaps due to the fact people only serve for a limited number of years means 5-10 years to become an instructor is unrealistic, but a ratio of 10:1 for black belts seems a bit out of whack there (1500 hours vs 150 hours total based on the numbers on the page).   Quelbonpat (talk) 06:27, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hours required? 

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message: I am a prior service Marine in the Army National Guard and I’m trying to find if there is a regulation regarding the use of my MCMAP brown belt I earned if I can use it on my Army cammies (OCP). 67.1.23.140 (talk) 22:03, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of MCMAP belt in Army OCP if prior service Marines join the army or any other service branch