Talk:Hōryū-ji

message: This article had been created by "copy&paste" not "move". Will some Sysops please join(concat) this Horyu-ji's history to another "Horyuji temple"'s? Wandering perfect fool 22:01, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy and paste move

message: I was surprised to find this article so short. With the right attention and effort, this could become a much longer article, with complex descriptions of the origins/history of the temple, the architecture of its buildings, and some examples (or links to articles on) of its art. I regret that I have not the time, sources, nor expertise to contribute much myself, but I just thought it might be pointed out. LordAmeth 03:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: Come on guys. Whether or not the article validates significant sections referring to Korea (Paekche) is not an issue of neutrality. It's an issue of.. what the focus of the article is, and whether or not this information on Korean architecture is valuable (useful, relevant) enough. LordAmeth 23:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comments, LordAmeth.  I am just trying to show a theory on its construction.. I hope it came off as just that.  Any suggestions on how to make this article better?  thanks, 71.56.97.26
I`m with Lord Ameth come on this is a storm in a tea cup and erodes the meaning of the neutrality warning mark. If the mark is overused then it may eventually hold little meaning for anyone because every article has one on it
01:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality? 

message: I've heard and read many times that it was designed by Hata Kawakatsu, so I'm not sure why it isn't on the page, is it not confirmed? Kansaikiwi 04:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hata Kawakatsu 

message: I am carrying out some edits on this article including additional findings throuhg the most recent excavations and studies for the last 10 years or so. Some rephrasing are also being applied. Some citations are not anymore retrievable on the net; whenever this is the case, and the existing text has some contradiction to the common understandings, I will relocate some text to this talk page. --OhMyDeer 12:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was not able to verify what "nuance" the cited material had by saying the Soga "permitted" the reconstruction, but by Soga no Umako being wiped in the Taika Reform in 645, and the reconstruction achieved over decades, roughly 670-710, the sentence is likely not an indispensable one. --OhMyDeer 12:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The latter half of the sentence is already described in the first sentence of the paragraph, while the first part is, a pretty unique interpretation --- there are many that cites the reason of such layout is unknown. --OhMyDeer 14:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The founder is said (by the now liquidated company itself) to have been one of the members that arrived in Japan in 577, later to be sent to Osaka, where Shitennō-ji temple was built. While it is generally accepted that the 577 Baekje origin members had contributed to the construction of the Shitennō-ji, there is no third party evidence that ties them to the modern  
Kongō Gumi company. When it comes to the relationship to Hōryu-ji, there are even less clue. There is no record kept by the temple as to who worked in the initial construction; besides, there are other missions, emissary or group of people recorded to have arrived in Japan from Baekje, including again carpenters and craftsen. From the modern Kongō Gumi corporation point of view, they were careful enough to mention (in their homepage) only that one of the two compatriots, arriving in Japan at the same time as their founder did, could have joined the construction force of Hōryū-ji, but without going as far as to say it was a member of theier Group. It should be also noted that, in the Guiness record standards, the Kongō Gumi company was not able to prove their contigousness of business from the 6th century, due to lack of evidence required. Nevertheless, obviously there was at least one media that said straight it was the company who constructed Hōryū-ji. --OhMyDeer 14:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates and rephrasing on the way 

message: * updated Fire controversy: Although, the majority consensus view is that the current temple is a reconstruction from the fire of 670, there is still a debate as to whether the fire actually occurred.  Proponents of the theory that there was no fire point out the absence of proof of a fire based on soil samples of the temple complex, the fact that the temple measurements were based on the Goguryeo shaku instead of the Tang shaku, and the archaic style of the temple that is incongruent with architectural styles of the early eighth century. Not retrievable as of April 3rd, 2007 through the URL originally cited URL.</ref> Proponents of the fire theory point out that the Nihon Shoki states that there was a massive fire in 670 in which not a single building was left standing; the biography of Prince Shotoku states that there was a temple fire in 610. The excavations that uncovered the older temple site is accepted as conclusive proof that there was an original temple that burned down and that the current temple was a reconstruction.
:The section above is updated and renamed "Reconstruction controversy." In fact the main controversy was over whether the temple was a reconstruction or not, and the proponents of reconstruction theory were the supporters of the fire incident as well. While the reconstruction is accepted, there are still some doubts as to if there was a fire really or not, as "there was no fire point out the absence of proof of a fire based on soil samples of the temple complex". --OhMyDeer 13:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit note "Fire controversy"

message: The sentence  In 1993, Hōryū-ji was inscribed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site and the Japanese government lists it as a National Treasure. in the intro needs to be rephrased. There is no such thing as a "National Treasure temple"! The Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology designates separate structures/buildings, sculptures, paintings and so on as National Treasure. In Hōryū-ji, there are 19 structural National Treasures and 17 sculpture-National Treasures (total number of National Treasure statues is much higher since some of them are groups of statues). To see what is included have a look at List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures) and List of National Treasures of Japan (temples). These numbers (17, 19) are quite impressive and possibly the highest concentration of NT-sculptures/structures in Japan, so it is worth mentioning. There might also be National Treasures of the crafts category (boxes, mirrors, swords,...) at Hōryū-ji, for which there is no list yet on the English wikipedia. bamse (talk) 16:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Treasure temple 

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message: There are several malformatted citations, two of which are completely broken. The references are in Japanese, a language I once studied but have largely forgotten. I'd rather leave the tampering with such links to people who know Japanese well — could somebody please have a look? David Cannon (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken citations 

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