Talk:Subculture

message: I've added the 'rave-scene' and 'demoscene' under 'Youth movements', even through the scenes are very much alive, and includes many adults already (we're all just getting old arn't we?), should they be categorised as such? But if 'HipHop' is categorised as such, why shouldn't they?
It's would be great if somebody with some background could expand the entry with some meaningful POVs on <subj> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.66.16.12  (talk • contribs) 21:39, 29 March 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Youth movements

message: The article states that a sub-culture "is a culture or set of people with distinct behavior and beliefs within a larger culture. The essence of a subculture, that distinguishes it from other social groupings, is awareness of style and differences in style, in clothing, music or other interests".
Does manga artist dress different than other? No. Does they have any disinct behavior or belief? Not really. They have a hobby, like everyone else. But a hobby is not the same as a culture. The list is more about "what is cool" than "what is subcultures".
For this reason, I have cut away a lot of the examples. The following has been removed:
* Fandom
**Furry fandom
**Trekkie
**Otaku
* Import scene
* Gamer
**Artscene
***Emo
**Disco
**Demoscene
* Sexual subcultures such as
**BDSM subculture
**Swinging
**Sexual fetish subculture
***Leather subculture
** body modification and tattoo subcultures
* Thematic subcultures 
** Cyberpunk
** Steampunk
* Illegal drug subcultures
--Kasper Hviid 18:57, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the list to List of subcultures - I've answered you there - David Gerard 19:43, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Hobbies

message: I wrote a stripped-down definition of what a subculture is and added it to the intro to this article.--Andymussell 23:41, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As behaviours and beliefs are dispositional attitudes assumed by a culture, I have further narrowed the definition of what a subculture is. Praetocultural systems are beyond the scope of this article.--Ottre (talk) 01:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: simpler definition

message: I think there needs to be more input from the post-subcultural studies perspective on this.  For example, subcultures as constructs of, not simply targets of, media and economic appropriation.  Although, I don't think there's any need to go into the modernity/post-modernity debate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.35.60.225  (talk • contribs) 00:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: post-subcultural studies

message: I readded some lost information that cites the references. Hyacinth 11:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Readded

message: This article, particualr the definition given in the intro seems to say that all subcultures are resistant/rebellious in relation to the main culture. Can a subculture not also be a culture that is not shared by all people the culture but does not actively resist main culture? JenLouise 05:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 01:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: resistant nature of subcultures

message: As it occurs to me one particular group of people have always been included in the whole genre of subculture, but it seems to me that their is no particular belief that defines this group of people. I'm speaking, of coarse, of the skater clique. I doubt that there is any vast expanse of knowledge of the skaters online at all, but it seems that they have been included with other subcultures, for example; the other day I was online and I saw a quiz (on quizfarm.com I believe) in which the title thereof read "which group are, goth, emo, or skater?" now goth and emo are both subcultures, but skater? Skateboarding is a sport and the participants thereof wouldn't be expected to have any subcultural beliefs, however they may fall into the category of subcultures that rely on commercialization. I haven't read all of the article but of what I have, I haven't found anything on skater. Perhaps skaters should be mentioned here (or perhaps if it is it shouldn't). Other opinions? Randy6767 14:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Skater is a subculture that has grown around skateboarding. This has happened in other places to other sports and methods of doing things. Examples include surfers, soccor fans (expressly in England), bikers, dragsters (a subculture that grew up around drag racing), Rev heads (grew up based around cars and motors) and others. There is even a cheerleader subculture based around being cheerleaders. Just look around to see where people gather in groups that act similar, and often you shall see a small part of a subculture. Corrupt one 02:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Skater

message: This article is about countercultures, not subcultures. Subcultures aren't formed from rejection of norms, they're formed by assimilation. This entire article should be scrapped, and parts of it should go under counterculture. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Almighty Trickshot Jackelope Of Doom (talk • contribs) 13:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with you. Musicaindustrial 17:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Counterculture

message: I readded some information. Some of this goes into describing subcultures rather than their study. Keep in mind that the placing of appropriate citations and attributions may make the article seem more about the study of the topic than the article actually is. The removal of definitions or descriptions preferrably would be preceded by a discussion on this talk page. If the issue is NPOV, we can NPOV the content rather than remove it. Hyacinth 01:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Readded 07/15

message: In a country that lacks a defining culture, the term "subculture" becomes irrelevant. I think the word we're looking for, instead, is "neo-tribalism". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.84.29  (talk • contribs) 19:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. --BDD (talk) 00:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: United States

message: Should there be a Portal:Subculture page? I think its a good idea. What do you think? --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? We already have a sociology portal, don't we? --Cheeser1 (talk) 00:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true. The sociology portal covers all kinds of subcultures. I thought a subcultures portal would go more indepth about subcultures and the many different kinds of subcultures. --Grrrlriot (talk) 01:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, that sounds like an invitation for even more original research on the subject of subcultures, particularly these "many different kinds of subcultures" (ie the ones that are not studied and aren't honestly subcultures). --Cheeser1 (talk) 01:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your right. I do think there should be more research and more of an indepth subculture article. I will see if I can do some research on subcultures and add to the page. --Grrrlriot (talk) 18:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Subculture Portal

message: a) Which are the differences between subculture and urban tribe?
b) Could anyone provide a reference for these statements?: 
#Some subcultures reject or modify the importance of style, stressing membership through the adoption of an ideology which may be much more resistant to commercial exploitation.
#The punk subculture's distinctive (and initially shocking) style of clothing was adopted by mass-market fashion companies once the subculture became a media interest.
Thanks. Pabletex (talk) 18:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Two questions

message: Why does punk get its own section? Is it somehow more important than other subcultures? I suggest this be removed. Zazaban (talk) 19:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Punk

message: This article is missing inline citations, not to mention makes pretty sweeping claims on the basis of only a single source, not the least of which is this:
  5. through their stylistic ties to excess and exaggeration (with some exceptions);
  6. through their refusal of the banalities of ordinary life and massification.
Which sounds utterly colored by personal bias, not appropriate for encyclopedic content.
There are other dubious claims, not backed up by the appropriate citations,
"Businesses often seek to capitalize on the subversive allure of subcultures in search of cool, which remains valuable in the selling of any product."
This article is in need of an expert on the subject. Celareon (talk)
*This article clearly has several inline citatations, (aka footnotes). Those two claims are the opinion of Ken Gelder, and are referenced as such with an inline citation at the end of that list. Other than that, I agree that the article needs more references, which is why there is a Refimprove tag at the top.Spylab (talk) 12:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Inline Citations

message: At the recent Afd on "Co-culture" at least some editors, myself included experssed a preference for seeing the discussions of the two articles condensed into a single presentation.  In my case, this reflects an understanding (correct or no) that the terms are roughly discussing the same idea, but with different connotations and framings.  But I'm hardly an expert on this subject, perhaps other folks here can add some evidence and light to the question.  --joe deckertalk to me 16:25, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it could be added to this article if it is condensed to one or two sentences. The Co-culture article only offers one reference proving that the term exists, and the reference is only a book, with no mention of specific quotes or page numbers.Spylab (talk) 13:03, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, a sentence in the lede will do. "Co-culture" seems to have no real different meaning, apart from seeking to avoid perceived connotations of the "sub-" prefix. --BDD (talk) 23:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: merge proposal (co-Culture)

message: When reading about subculture, there was a comment in the article that seems incomplete. For instance, more information is needed after this statement:
"In some cases, subcultures have been legislated against, and their activities regulated or curtailed." (located in: Identifying subcultures)
What cases do these include? Naming a few, or mentioning other events in history related to subculture and this reference, would be stimulating to read more about and further analyze historical and political events relating to subculture.
Laurenleaf (talk) 21:42, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Incomplete Example

message: Not a big issue, but it appears the indentation formatting for this article has gone awry towards the end of the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.83.67.76 (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Per the opening sentence of Counterculture,
:A counterculture (also written counter-culture) is a subculture
Per the last sentence in the lede of Subculture,
:Subcultures differ from countercultures.
The only support for the latter sweeping claim is
:In 2007, Ken Gelder proposed to distinguish subcultures from countercultures based on the level of immersion in society.
with no explanation of that final term.
Is it possible to get both articles on the same metaphoric page?Weeb Dingle (talk) 22:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  definitional clash 

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