Talk:Walt Disney College Program

message: The official name of the program is "Disney College Program" or "Disney Theme Parks and Resorts" College Program.
The program located at the Walt Disney World Resort is the "Disney College Program at the Walt Disney World Resort" or more officially, the "Disney Theme Parks and Resorts College Program at the Walt Disney World Resort".
Since this page deals primarily on the WDW program, pages for the generic Disney College Program may need to be created with seperate pages detailing the programs available at Disneyland and Walt Disney Imagineering.
Care should be taken so that this information supplements the official site and does not repeat the information that is already available.
The term "Walt Disney World College Program" was no longer officially in use as of January 2005.
Sweetums 23:07, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact is that it is being phased out.  Trust me on this, C.W., come early Sept. you won't see it at all.  It takes a little while for nomenclature to change (how many still refer to "Port Orleans Riverside" as "Dixie Landings"?).   Look at your CAROLEs and Marketing Minutes from the past 6 months to see where this is going.
Sweetums
I have heard that the WDWCP is being intergraded, renamed and remarketed this year. I figured at some point, the site might need to be broken off into a separate page for the "Disney Theme Parks and Resorts College Program" or even 3 separate pages for each new branch of the program (DLC & WDI) but like CW stated, there is still alot of usage of WDWCP, besides emails  merchandise is still being made for the WDWCP CM's. I was gonna hold off until they officially start promoting it, I heard they are making a new website for it. (as opposed to the current website which just links 3 separate program pages) Shifter55 00:33, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect Suggestion 

message: "Shifter55 (→External Links - Fixed spelling errors & added Fan sites - Don't remove)"
Sorry Shifter55, but this isn't how wikipedia works.  Anything can be removed at anytime.  As stated on the editing pages: "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it."
These "fan sites" are full of inaccuracies that stem from the fact that they most were created years ago (old information),  inaccuracies (one person's experience presented as how the program operates), opinions stated as factual information, or has no useful content for someone wanting to learn more about the program.
Examples:
:Disneyalumni.com- the base information from this site came from the offer booklet that was distributed to participants between 97-98.  The message board area may be OK since it does contain current topical discussions.  Although many of these dicussions contain inaccuracies, this tends to be the nature of message boards.
:Vistawayallstars.com- Although this site was created by former partipants, it does not contain information regarding the program.  It appears that the sole purpose of this site it to promote their clothing and their promotional night at a local bar.
:Cpdatabase.info- While this site serves as a site for participants to post their contact info, it has no content regarding the program itself.  By the number of people who registered their information, this doesn't appear very popular.
:Wdwcpinfo.com (whose message boards were linked to as "Walt Disney World CP Message Boards")- The main content of the site is a personal testimonial from a participant from Spring 2000.  All aspects of the program have changed in the 5 years since that time.  However, my opinion of the message boards here is the same as the message boards for disneyalumni.com.  There is inaccurate information given by unreliable resources, but that is the nature of message boards.
I feel that due to the lack of content and the inaccurate information presented on these sites that they should not be included with this article.
Alternatives may be to add a section for message boards (with disclaimers), add sections that contain links to the Disney College Program Alumni Associations (school clubs- http://www.iup.edu/career/disney/) provided that these organizations are not just repeating the information available on the official site and that they are kept current, or links to pages on school sites that directly discuss the program (http://www.wdwcp.cmich.edu/).
I think it is great that you took the initiative to create this article.  I'm sure that you would agree that this should be as accurate as possible, free of opinions (articles must be neutral), and refer people to the sites that have content that will supplement this article w/o detraction.
Sweetums 22:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Some good thoughts, here.  However, I feel having a link directory is better served by sites like Del.icio.us.  Perhaps linking to a Del.icio.us tag?
Sweetums 21:54, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan Site Feedback 

message: I did a IP query on 192.195.66.45 and found that it originates from Disney servers in Burbank.  I'm curious if anyone feels that the edits made by the Disney Company may tip the balance on neutrality?  It's not badly written grammatically or anything, but it sounds a lot like a sales pitch off of their brochures.  In that vein, I'm also curious if any of it was ripped word for word off of said brochures.  Comments? --129.252.69.47 01:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: much of it was ripped word for word from brochures and the official website by the initial article creator.  That has since been corrected and I have a feeling that WDW Co. probably made other corrections. Sweetums 23:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality? 

message: So it looks like having a page for each complex is not working out.  And to me, putting all the details of the 3 complexes on the main page here will just make the article way to long.  What if there was a new article that housed all the housing complexes together?  And then redirect the 3 housing complex names to that one page.  Thoughts?
--Cw532 23:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Housing 

message: This whole article sounds like an advertisement for the program. This page basically sounds like the actual program's website or something like a brochure or presentation for it. I'm adding the advertisement tag for now, but I plan on completely cleaning the thing up when I get a chance during the next week or so. There's so much frivolous, unencylopedic, unecessary information here; it's just completely ridiculous. An encyclopedia article should give background information about the program and its history and future; not housing, notification, and benefits for being in the program. Most of this information should be lumped into one short section. The fact that it takes up roughly 90% of the article makes me cringe. --pIrish Arr! 16:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've already re-written the majority of it and added it. I've shortened it down to the most basic, but most important, points of the program and, basically, I've gotten rid of that brochure sort of feel that it had before. Since it no longer sounds like an advertisement, I've also taken the advert template down as well. If you have any concerns or suggestions, please discuss them here. --pIrish Arr! 21:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: There's a difference between adding information and turning it into an advertisement. With your edits, you did an awful lot of the latter. I left a lot of what you wrote, but I removed a lot of the excessively promotional material. With stuff like this, less is more. --132 04:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertisement 

message: This article includes nothing about the 'learning' aspect of the program- the college credit courses and exploration series available to CP's. Is this included somewhere else that I didn't see? As the three aspects of the program (living learning earning) are mentioned, I feel each one should have a section. MsJudyMovie (talk) 21:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Learning' Aspect of the Program 

message: I just removed a bunch of criticism inclusions. It was all unreliably sourced. This source is unreliable because it is a message board. This source is unreliable because it is a YouTube video. This source, while normally reliable, does not actually say what it was being sourced as saying (as in synthesis). This source is unreliable because it is a message board. While I have zero doubts that a lot of this is happening, it absolutely cannot be included unless reliable sources for it can be found and cited. Sorry. --132 03:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it was my research; however I represent a conflict of interest becuase I participated in the program and I'm now employed by Disney and work closely with the College Program offices. So yeah. --A3RO (mailbox) 09:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I really, really appreciate your honesty. I don't think there's a problem with you editing the article and improving it because it does need improving. The only thing I would suggest avoiding is adding anything that sounds either promotional or critical. Basic facts are A-OK and much needed though. :-) --132 03:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreliably sourced criticism