Talk:Henry Orenstein

message: wrote an autobio about his experiences during wwiiJrm2007 07:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening comment 

message: If this article is to be fair and balanced and more than simply a shrine to Mr. Orenstein, the following should be noted and added:
"After the recent research i have done on the Topper Toy Company & their CEO, the late Henry Orenstein. The toy company was originally called Deluxe Reading Company until 1964 when a successful line of toys called Toppers moved them into the big time toy business. (Hence they changed the name from Deluxe Reading into Topper Toy Company.) Up till then they had made toys excessively for grocery stores... ( those el' cheapo toys) but with the success of the Suzy Homemaker, Johnny Lightening cars & Dawn dolls, Topper became a cash rich company. And with success & power came corruptness. When inventory was done in 1971 it was found that the inventory was not want it should have been... In simple terms there was money gone for product, but no product on the shelves. It appeared that creative bookkeeping had happen... for all the toys Topper was selling they had no "real" cash... only numbers on a page.... Topper filed & went into Bankruptcy. When the auditors was finishing auditing the books for the bankruptcy court, it was found there had been fraud, embezzlement & mismanagement of funds. Mr. Henry Orenstein, CEO, was sued for the charges and the lawsuit went to court in 1975 & he was found guilty of all the charges. I have yet to find if he spent any quality time in the NJ prison system for all the missing money."
http://web.archive.org/web/20010421121214/http://www.blumenthals.com/jodib/dawn/
"in 1973, Topper Toys/Deluxe Reading filed for bankruptcy, and according to some sources, Orenstein was convicted of embezzlement and fraud."
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Henry_Orenstein
162.247.124.90 (User ) 17:38, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I had look at the references there. The first one almost certainly doesn't qualify as a reliable source. On the second one, we can't use another wiki as a ref, nor do the references they give mention anything about a fraud conviction. Karunamon Talk 17:45, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

text: After some cursory searching, I'm not sure this actually happened. There's a lot of random websites that mention a supposed conviction, but nothing authoritative like a court filing, news article, anything like that. For us to say he was convicted of fraud based on such flimsy evidence would be libel. Karunamon ✉ 17:55, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal Issues 

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