Template talk:F1 driver results legend 2

message: There is further discussion about the various merits of the template here, including changing the meaning of the DNP term to something more meaningful, hopefully at the same time creating less clutter.  
It would be great if no-one changes the template before getting everyone's agreement first  :o) Bretonbanquet 21:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion at WikiProject 

message: One or two people think this template is too long, and there's a discussion here. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Further discussion

message: What's the difference between disqualified and excluded? Do they both need to be in there? Apologies if i'm missing something obvious. 86.17.186.211 (talk) 23:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Disqualified" applies to drivers who are thrown out of a race after it has started. "Excluded" applies to drivers who are thrown out during qualifying or practice sessions, often for missing or failing weight checks etc. It rarely happens these days. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:09, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Query

message: Should the "Injured" (INJ) status be added to the 'white' section of the drivers' results legend? Consider that Felipe Massa was injured during qualifying at the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix and since then, the Massa'a record in the drivers' result's table has been marked with "INJ" with no definition of what that means. Ladislaus (talk) 15:05, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There was recently a long discussion about this, and it was decided that it be removed. These are results tables, and an injury is outside the scope of a results table. Any race which is missed for whatever reason should be left blank, and any instances of "INJ" are removed. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:17, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Injured?

message: I had a passing thought and figured I would see if it stuck with any of you. Basically, we have pretty regular occurances of more than two drivers driving for a team. This necessitates an additional row for the entire season, most likely blank. Basically, what I am proposing is that we add a 4th key to the blank legend to indicate that. It would go from:
Key       	Key
Colour    	Result
Gold      	Winner
Silver    	2nd place
Bronze    	3rd place
Green     	Points finish
Blue      	Non-points finish
Blue      	Non-classified finish (NC)
Purple    	Did not finish (Ret)
Red       	Did not qualify (DNQ)
Red       	
Black     	Disqualified (DSQ)
White     	Did not start (DNS)
White     	Race cancelled (C)
Light blue	Practiced only (PO)
Light blue	Friday test driver (TD)(from 2003 onwards)
Blank     	Did not practice (DNP)
Blank     	Excluded (EX)
Blank     	Did not arrive (DNA)
 
to 
Key       	Key
Colour    	Result
Gold      	Winner
Silver    	2nd place
Bronze    	3rd place
Green     	Points finish
Blue      	Non-points finish
Blue      	Non-classified finish (NC)
Purple    	Did not finish (Ret)
Red       	Did not qualify (DNQ)
Red       	
Black     	Disqualified (DSQ)
White     	Did not start (DNS)
White     	Race cancelled (C)
Light blue	Practiced only (PO)
Light blue	Friday test driver (TD)(from 2003 onwards)
Blank     	Did not practice (DNP)
Blank     	Excluded (EX)
Blank     	Did not arrive (DNA)
Blank     	Did not participate (Blank)
Opinions? Twirlypen (talk) 02:17, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have actually proposed blanking all those cells for drivers/teams who only competed in a part of a season in one take instead of clogging up tables with blank cells some time ago, but failed to garner enough interest. Tvx1 06:19, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I see what you were trying to accomplish. But since the entire row remained empty via one large block vs many small ones, they may have felt that it wasn't worth implementing on a large scale level (I did not read the entire discussion). At least with this, a reader can see a blank box, see "Blank:Blank" in the legend, and know that driver didn't participate and no other project-wide changes need to be made. Twirlypen (talk) 20:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did not participate 

message: I am starting an RfC based on a suggestion above. The results legend currently uses a set of colours to distinguish between individual results in results matrices, such as those that appear in season articles, like 2014 Formula One season. The legend uses blue to represent non-points finishes and purple to represent retirements. However, I feel that this arrangement has the potential to be difficult to read for people who are red/blue colour-blind. I myself am red/green colour-blind, and sometimes find it difficult to distinguish between individual results in a large matrix. The individual cells do have the result (ie 14 for a non-points finish, or Ret for a retirement) written in black, but I do not think that thus goes far enough. Lately the project has emphasised improving the readability for as many users as possible, and with that in mind, I propose changing the colours slightly. As this represents a major change, it would need a consensus from the community, but with very few people having any experience with colour-blindness (I am the only one that I know of), I have opened it up to RfC.
What I propose is changing the colour for non-points finishes to a light blue. As light blue is used elsewhere in the results matrices (albeit very infrequently), I further propose changing it to another colour (perhaps swap with the existing darker blue currently used for non-points finishes). Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:38, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it would be difficult for someone with color blindness to read the chart, but instead of changing the colors, would it would be better to have it so that you can click a section of the key on the right side, any cell that doesn't fit into the category would appear blank, and ones that do fit would still be shown? I'm not sure that it is possible, but it would solve the problem. Gamebuster19901 (Talk | Contributions) 01:13, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

text: Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the purpose of the colour shading merely an assist to the text? And as red refers exclusively to DNQ/DNPQ there is no instance for confusion between drivers who finish races? --Falcadore (talk) 02:22, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC &mdash; red/blue colour-blindness 

message: In case anyone is interested, I have launched a proposal to change the style of the mobile tables to make them match the desktop skin's tables more in response to a number of readability issues that were reported within this project in recent moths. In case anyone wants to weigh in their opinion for either side of the argument, you can do so here. Thanks, Tvx1 15:36, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for mobile tables