Talk:Positive Christianity

message: This is a small section from the the same argument, but that focused on denying that Hitler was not only not a real Christian, and that Hitler never expressed any Christian belief. This argument is almost identical here because Hitler was a Nazi and if he was also a Christian then one can be both a Nazi Christian and hence the two ideologies can overlap and be compatible. Giovanni33 08:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Link to the section Giovanni is referring to can be found here. I have removed it, Giovanni.  I have asked you before not to clog up pages with your arguments.  First of all, talk pages are meant to be for discussing improvements to the article (or, to a lesser extent, Wikipedia-related problems such as dealing with vandalism or puppetry), not for discussing who is right and who is wrong with regard to a particular theory. Of course, nobody wants to be rigid about this, and we do tolerate an occasional off topic post, if it's not too long, as we are dealing with human editors, not machines, and a community does build up, so a certain amount of latitude is desirable.  But I have asked you before to provide links to online stuff that you want us to read, and you're here long enough to know what talk pages are for, so copying over 1,439 words from another talk page is simply disruptive. It's also confusing, as it looks as if two different people added that stuff to this page.  It also discourages people from reading the talk page comments when there's so much there, and when they can't see which bits to omit or skim, and might miss something important. Finally it's an abuse of Project server space, which you do not pay for (unless you donate to the Foundation). Please don't do that again. AnnH ♫ 12:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: some documentation

message: "They attempted to separate Nazi officials from church affiliations, banning nativity plays and calling for an end to daily prayers in schools"
Does anyone have a source for this? I have a sneaking suspicision that someone is trying to push a POV here.
::What POV would that be? Paul B 10:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced Claims

message: I added the German original: "Positive Christianity (German Positives Christentum)". I believe that that's correct, but if not please fix it. Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 20:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "Positives Christentum" is the correct term in German. Do not remove material in German just because you somehow 'feel' that's it's wrong, despite the fact that you speak no German. "Die Partei als solche steht für ein positives Christentum"; "Die NSDAP-Parteileitung propagierte in ihren Verlautbarungen ein "positives Christentum"". etc. Posirive Christianity is not the "English equivalent" of "German Christians" at all, it's simply a term used by the Nazis to refer to their vision of 'Christianity'. Paul B (talk) 07:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't move it because I "felt" it was wrong. The original editor indicated his uncertainty.  So, based on a google search I guessed that the term was not widespread.  When I said that I thought positive christianity might be the german equivalent of Deutsche Christen, I was working under the assumption that the Deutsche Christen article is about nazi christianity (whatever you want to call it) because it turned up when I searched ""Positives Christentum" and because it mentions hitler.  I didn't ask to be berated--I just asked someone to verify this.  Before continuing our discussion about the merge, I would like to know whether this page (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Christen) is about nazis christianity or just german christianity in general.  Please try to be less hostile. I'm just trying to help here.  Mitsein (talk) 08:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, sorry if I seemed too techy. No it's not about German Christians, but it's not just about Nazis either. It'sd about a movement to make Christianity more "Germanic" in character, which was independent of Nazism, but camer to be closely associated with it. Several of the leading German Christians were Nazis and the Nazis tried to encourage the moverment. Paul B (talk) 09:52, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  German original 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Sturmer Nordic Jesus.JPG

message: In the lede there is the sentence fragment "Nondenominational, the term could be variously interpreted." What is this supposed to say?  User:Brainy J ✿ (talk) 15:18, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence fragment 

message: To accord with Nazi antisemitism, positive Christianity advocates also sought to deny the Semitic origins of Christ and the Bible.</br>
The essence of this sentence is fine, but I have a question as to its form and the context it is in. Antisemitism is not exclusive to Nazism, it was prominently featured in Christian theology and practice, and Nazism arose in Christian countries. Should this fact be mentioned thus? Maybe reword it to something like "a Nazi brand of antisemitism?"--Adûnâi (talk) 08:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That’s a great point, there’s plenty of similar examples all the way back to Marcion and supersessionism. It would be good to show this idea didn’t come out of a vacuum and has plenty of historical precedents. Bagabondo (talk) 10:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Actually, it is not a great point; anti-semitism is NOT part of Christian theology - no ifs/ands/buts.  Reading some un-canonical opinion by some loon does not represent true Christianity.  In practice, Catholics and Protestants often persecuted Jews since the Middle Ages until the middle of the 20th century, and this is easily found in literally thousands of scholarly sources.50.111.25.27 (talk) 20:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi antisemitism - a case of a question 

message: The following sentence does not make sense in the introduction:
'Positive Christianity allayed fears among Germany's Christian majority as expressed through their hostility towards the established churches of large sections of the Nazi movement.' Who had hostility toward the established churches - the Nazis or the Christian majority in Germany? It was the Nazis. So, I don't see how Positive Christianity allayed the majority's fears. 
I have reworded the above to "The Nazi movement had been hostile to Germany's established churches. The new Nazi idea of Positive Christianity allayed the fears of Germany's Christian majority by implying that the Nazi movement was not anti-Christian." --IACOBVS (talk) 04:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Positive Christianity allayed fears... sentence changed 

message: Doug I would please like you to explain your edit where you said "contradicts quote" about Adolf Hitler seeking to make Positive Christianity the sole state church of the German Reich. Are you saying it says in the article he didn't intend to make it the officially recognized religion of the Party for the State or are you saying somewhere in the article it says he intended another state religion besides that? He did say he will conditionally assure freedom of religion for other religions, but having things like selective freedom of speech, expression, etc for certain groups as long as they obey the State is not the same thing as having a state religion. And he only advocated Positive Christianity in religious matters for the politics of the State. It certainly wasn't Paganism because that was also violently persecuted quite often by Hitler, so I'm not sure what else this could be. 184.71.97.170 (talk) 12:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doug Weller's ostensible claim of article editing consistency. 

message: I removed this from the article, because it is a primary source (an excellent EXAMPLE of some racist nut's views) and not a scholarly commentary on the subject.  I'll have a look around and see if I can find something on this that would be acceptable for the article - and I call on interested editors to add material they may know of, also. I think it is an important point, that there is some form of 'revival' for this crud, however fringy. -HammerFilmFan   
:However, it continues to be espoused by some Christian Identity groups. original reference link -www.kinsmanredeemer.com/PositiveChristianity.htm - location=Alexandria, Kentucky - publisher "Kinsman Redeemer Ministries"  50.111.25.27 (talk) 20:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  need secondary source for claim 

message: From the article:
“Hitler consistently self-identified as a Christian in public, and even on occasion as a Catholic, specifically throughout his entire political career, despite criticising biblical figures.”
How is being critical of Biblical characters a substantive argument for challenging the validity of Hitler’s self-proclaimed Christian faith? 96.41.10.214 (talk) 07:48, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler’s claims on Christianity