Talk:Jerusalem Light Rail

message: Hi all, I rewrote this paragraph 
Special cars have been commissioned from the French Alstom company to meet Israel's special security needs, with bulletproof windows and a sleek design with no mechanical parts visible and hence less vulnerable to Palestinian terrorism.
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Special cars have been commissioned from the French Alstom company to meet Israel's special security needs, with bulletproof windows and a sleek design with no mechanical parts visible and hence less vulnerable to terrorism or sabotage. 
Please let me know if this violates consensus... It would also be helpful if Alstom or the Light Rail Website had further details... For example, is it designed with a "blow-away" roof in order to permit explosions to escape rather than fill the car? V. Joe (talk) 19:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Changed paragraph

message: It appears that an editor is trying to insert a passage that labels parts of Jerusalem as "settlements", the UN–Swedish-preferred terminology, therefore violating WP:NPOV. This is especially redundant since the previous sentence already says the same thing. Thirdly, the new sentence is misleading since it does not mention that the light rail also serves Arab "settlements east of the Green Line", such as Shuafat and Beit Hanina, and therefore makes it appear as if the LRT was built for Jews-only. —Ynhockey (Talk) 13:00, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This addition is taken from the source , which I believe represents the commonly held view in the UK about developments in east Jerusalem. This is in the "criticism" section, so to understand the international criticism this view does need to be presented somehow. I thought it was additional info to the previous sentence "passes through territories captured" by indicating that some of the major destinations are also east of the green line. Rwendland (talk) 14:43, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What you say is true, but you have not addressed any of my concerns. The first concern is the term "settlement" to describe parts of Jerusalem, which is not a universally-held view, and therefore cannot be stated as fact. The second concern is that the whole addition is redundant because it's a repetition of the previous sentence; and the third concern is that it implies that the light rail will only serve Jewish neighborhoods of Jerusalem and not Arab ones (a blatant falsehood). —Ynhockey (Talk) 15:00, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I'll have a think about rewording it - I certaintly don't intend to imply it only serves Jewish neighborhoods. Unfortunately don't have time today. Rwendland (talk) 19:51, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a go at rewording, though it is tricky to do while remaining concise. I hope you think this is suitably improved. Rwendland (talk) 00:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Label of Jerusalem as a settlement

message: since the light rail will now include the extenstion the route map needs to be edited to include those stops.--Marbehtorah-marbehchaim (talk) 00:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the extensions have been approved on paper, but it is unclear when construction will start and who will do the construction. I think we should therefore wait a bit, but feel free to add the new stops if you know of a reliable source that has this information. —Ynhockey (Talk) 23:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  request to edit the roue map 

message: Someone recently upgraded the article to B-class, but I believe that this should be reverted because the article, while constantly improving and well-sourced, is missing a lot of important information and is overall short and non-comprehensive. I have provided a few relevant articles above and will try to significantly expand the article if I have time (can't promise anything). I hope also that other editors pitch in to improve this important article representing one of Israel's most important current transportation and infrastructure projects. —Ynhockey (Talk) 00:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-class? 

message: An editor has alleged that Veolia's attempts to sell the JLR, first to Dan in 2009, later to Egged, were "part of a strategy to exit the transportation market". But that is incorrect, as the decision to exit the transportation market dates from late 2011, as the various citations make clear. I appreciate that some of my earlier language was not ideal and I apologize for that. Nescio vos (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veolia's divestment 

message: Information is missing in this article on the fares system. I believe that this is the last major piece of information that's missing, and if we add it we can make a GA run (with some effort). Who can add it? —Ynhockey (Talk) 12:08, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers to Atefrat for adding the section. I have tweaked it and it's in pretty good shape, although I'm wondering if it might not be appropriate to include the actual prices. In any case, I believe the article is ready for a GA run. I will make some tweaks and try to expand the lead to better summarize the contents, and eventually nominate it. —Ynhockey (Talk) 13:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fares information missing 

message: We are missing sources for the "Bus and train connection" section and the "North–south BRT line", as well as part of "Rolling stock". I realize that the first one is naturally difficult to source, although if someone can find an official announcement for the recent reform in the lines it should provide most of the information. The other two are fairly technical and there's no reason not to source them. I will do my best to find sources as time allows, but am sure that others here can help :) Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 06:43, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources missing 

message: Why is it called light rail, instead of tram?
Kelenbp (Talk) 09:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The correct name for the system is tram. It is called light rail (which it isn't really) because Hebrew has no word for tram. --Redaktor (talk) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the name in English? 

message: This article is full of bias, which of course is not acceptable. In the infobox, it is stated that the locale is Jerusalem, Israel but as mentioned in the article, it also goes through East Jerusalem. In the section Controversy, it is written that "The project was criticized because the route passes through territories that Israel captured during the Six-Day War and annexed and incorporated into the Jerusalem Municipality, such as French Hill and Pisgat Ze'ev, whose status is controversial". There is no mention of the fact that they are settlements and that the territory is occupied, only that it was "captured" and that the territories are "controversial".
Wordings like "It runs from Pisgat Ze'ev in the northeast", "Neve Yaakov in the northeast" and "French Hill in north Jerusalem" are withholding the fact that they are in East Jerusalem. --IRISZOOM (talk) 20:28, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are heavily biased and completely wrong.101.160.21.149 (talk) 08:30, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias regarding East Jerusalem 

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thread_title:  Blacklisted Links Found on the Main Page 

message: Very inaccurate passage. First of all the riots are an ONGOING thing as far as stone throwing by Arabs from east Jerusalem. It's happening still today in 2015 and never stopped. There isn't one window of the light rail that isn't smashed by stones and a lot of money goes for repairing the damage caused by the Arabs.
Secondly, the Arabs in east Jerusalem definately do not reject the light rail. They use it more than the Jews. Anyone who actually been to Jerusalem and used the light rail knows that it is filled with Arabs.
It would be nice if this passage will be corrected.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.139.42 (talk) 01:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  July 2014 riots 

message: I have started to separate the different lines (red etc) as the individual lines should have separate pages, for the system as a whole and for the individual lines. More needs to be on done on this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg (talk • contribs) 12:53, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that such a move should be done in the future, but now there aren't enough sources available for individual lines for them to have their own articles.  All future lines are still in the very early stages of planning and construction, so more information should be added to this current article until there is enough for it to be merged into a new one. –Dream out loud (talk) 13:15, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Lines, New pages 

message: I intend to restore the description of settlements as settlements. I will not try to overwhelm the article, but pretending these are random neighborhoods is silly. As far as sourcing, see for example here. nableezy - 17:28, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  settlements 

message: It was recently announced that the rights to operate the Jerusalem Light Rail will be transferred to a different company called Kfir (aka TransJerusalem J-Net, a partnership between two companies - Shafir and CAF) on April 16th, 2020. I request the permission holders to update the article accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrezlatin (talk • contribs) 13:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: 2021, not 2020, and already transferred and started operation. :he:כפיר (חברה), :d:Q106687542. Also the fares table is long outdated, multi-ride contracts were cancelled last year (:voy:Public transit in Israel). --Arseny1992 (talk) 04:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Operator - Kfir instead of CityPass 

message: I find this section written in a biased and purposely misleading fashion.
--Original---
In July 2014, Arab rioters caused substantial damage to three stations in Arab neighborhoods as well as other system infrastructure, and left graffiti with "Death to the Jews" and other slogans. Rioting and incessant "rock attacks" inflicted on trains in the Beit Hanina and Shuafat areas have made the train route subject to closures restricting passengers to stations south of Givat HaMivtar.
---End Original ---
Interesting to note that the content of graffiti is mentioned but not what triggered the riots. What triggered the riots as is noted by ALL references mentioned is that a Palestinian teen was found murdered. So either remove this section entirely or add the reason.
--EDITED
In July 2014, Arab rioters caused substantial damage to three stations in Arab neighborhoods as well as other system infrastructure, and left graffiti with "Death to the Jews" and other slogans after a Palestinian teen was found murdered. Rioting and incessant "rock attacks" inflicted on trains in the Beit Hanina and Shuafat areas have made the train route subject to closures restricting passengers to stations south of Givat HaMivtar.
--END EDITED 142.114.114.248 (talk) 22:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 12:01, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 December 2022 

message: Is it really light rail or just a tram?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.144.244.85 (talk) 21:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tram? 

message: Why can most of the citations only be edited in source mode? Is there any reason not to allow the use of Visual Editor? 
There are several sections where the text doesn't appear to have been edited since 2011 or 2012 and tenses need editing. Citations need adding in some places. Mcljlm (talk) 00:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations; Updating needed