Talk:Xavier High School (New York City)

message: Matt, do you really think that the idiots are going to pay attention? I doubt that they even know that the talk page exists. —Larry V 03:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This behavior is quite common among highschool students who have discovered Wikipedia.  I see it all the time from schools all over the globe while on rc patrol.  I'm sure that in many cases it's a noisy handful that cause the trouble, but that's all it takes.  I'd wager that 60% to 80% of the vandalism on Wikipedia comes from school computers. --Kbh3rdtalk 04:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I kind of figured that out a while ago, looking at other high school articles and such. Once, I tried editing an article from a computer at my school, only to find that the IP had been blocked. —Larry V 01:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding vandals 

message: It is true that Catholic students who attend this school hail from dioceses other than the Archdiocese of New York; however, the issue of students' geographic diversity is already covered by noting that "Xavier draws students from all five boroughs of New York City, as well as New Jersey, Nassau County, Westchester County, and even Orange County." In addition, the statement in question begins, "The school serves ...." Quite clearly, Xavier High School "serves" only the Archdiocese of New York. Schools and parishes do not "serve" multiple church bodies. It would be greatly appreciated if user 207.188.97.8 replied to this message, or at least provided a decent edit message explaining his/her reasoning in repeatedly adding references to these additional dioceses. If no reply is forthcoming and the article is reverted to the prior state, this user will be reported to Wikipedia administrators. —Larry V 17:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neutral observer here.  I don't have any specific knowledge of this particular situation, so I won't edit it either way.  I wonder what is meant by "serve" here, and what the relationship of this school to the archdiocese is.  Diocese are established by the Church to serve a particular region.  Parishes are established by a diocese to serve a particular geographic area, and parochial and diocesan schools are established to serve the geographic area of the parish and the diocese, respectively, though they frequently will take students from other areas (frequently charging an unsubsidized rate).  However, this school is run by the Jesuit order, not by the archdiocese.  It is not under the control of the archbishop.  Unless there is some relationship with the archdiocese, or something in canon law that ties it to the diocese in which it sits, I don't see why you would insist on saying that it serves only one of the serveral diocese in the city and region from which it draws its students.  Even though my understanding of the relationship of non-diocesan religious orders to the bishop in whose diocese they operate, is incomplete,  I don't see how it's wrong to say that it "serves" the wider area, but if you just cannot come to agreement on this one way or the other, I'd suggest the article just omit that phrase entirely and say that it serves students from all these various areas, which is indisputably true.  --Kbh3rdtalk 05:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I understand what you are saying — to tell the truth, my understanding of the  relationship of non-diocesan religious orders to the bishop in whose diocese they operate isn't particularly advanced either. The real problem here is that user 207.188.97.8 does not seem to want to discuss this. Perhaps this is not to be unexpected, as that IP address has been warned numerous times in the past for vandalism; this is also not surprising to me, since that IP address originates in my school's (Xavier's) computer lab. One issue that I have with the phrase itself is that, while most students there certainly are Catholics of the Archdiocese of New York and the Diocese of Brooklyn and Queens, the percentage of students from the Diocese of Rockville Centre is insignificant. In addition, many students are not even Catholic (such as myself). And if the goal was to express the school's service of these areas — well, there is a reference to that later on in the article, referring to the five boroughs, Nassau County, and New Jersey. After thought, I agree with your final suggestion and have deleted the guilty phrase — although no doubt user 207.188.97.8 will revert that without saying a word. —Larry V 00:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dioceses served, et cetera 

message: This article definetly needs more references. For instance, how do you know that Xavier is planning to introduce its own admission exam? 68.175.27.35 01:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, much of what has been placed in this article is hearsay gathered from around the school itself. —Larry V (talk) 02:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Resources 

message: Since when do they teach "rhetoric"?  Even when my dad graduated back in the 50's they were phasing it out - we certainly didn't study it when I went.
I heard that Xavier is constructing a new building --- some info on that might be appropriate in the article... 64.12.116.131 04:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's in the planning stages, yes ... I'll add something once I get a hold of the Alumnews magazine that I saw the info in. — Larry V (talk) 21:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Something about taking care of his mother, I think. Not exactly sure, though. --Larry V (talk | contribs) 02:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Developments 

message: …or complete lack thereof. This article has just four references; for its length, this is ridiculous! Larry V (talk | contribs) 11:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Is this even true or is it just something that a vandal put there that no one has bothered to remove? 68.237.203.136
Check the school website -- this is accurate Bobby GR (talk) 13:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father Gatti's Departure? 

message: The rugby team has won three national championships, two in Division I, and one in Division II. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the "Athletics" section? HandsomeSam57 20:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rugby

message: It's too bad that I can't think of how you would source the story, to the extent I know it, of how the military came to be optional.  The late sixties was a great time to be at Xavier.  Various Jesuits were at their most extreme in oppostion to the war.  The younger mil sci faculty were just back from tours in Vietnam including Major Smullins.  Rather than having one teacher for the year as with other classes military science had "blcoks of instruction".  The faculty was a couple of retired sergeants, a couple of active duty sergeants and Major Smullins.  Senior year, besides "The Psychology of Leadrship", he taught "Counter-Insurgency".  Meanwhile the Jesuits uptown were under surveillance by the FBI (ironically a profession not unusual for Xavier graduates).  Out on the street in uniform we were required to salute real military officers, cadet officers, priests and nuns and faculty members.  Some of the faculty said they didn't want to be saluted, kind of embarrasing.
Up until 1969 most juniors and seniors were required to be MP's every third week or so.  Basically you stood in the hall, came to atention for faculty and cadet officers and persecuted underclassmen for being out of uniform.  Senior year they decided to make MP's a special unit.  It was cool they even got brass pistols rather than rifles to wear.  There was a flaw in the theory.  About one third of the seniors were officers and another third were high ranking sergeants.  Those that were left were the kids who had majored in Jug.  One of the greatest achievements you could think of was to graduate from Xavier as private.  It took four years of living on the edge of being thrown out, but somehow persisting.
One of my friends told me that every first sergeant in the first and second battalion (the third was special units) was getting paid off to mark kids present a drill.
Kids came in wearing black arm bands, which was out of uniform. In another irony the pro war kids wore American flag pins.  They were also out of uniform.
I wish I could document some of this, but I guess it has to stay in the talk section
Peter Reilly (talk) 01:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Military at Xavier - the decline

message: An earlier version of this page had morphed a description of the school's retreat program into an unsubstantiated rant about "liturgy", "clericalism", and "neglible" presence of Jesuits at the school.  Perhaps the author/authors want to offer a different perspective; but as an interested party I'd think the wiki community would be better served by comments that are demonstrable, not simply gut feelings. Rgr1969 (talk) 22:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Campus Ministry 

message: I was trying to fix vandalism and may have made a hash of it. I think it is OK now.
Peter Reilly (talk) 20:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: There seems to be a general trend of changing the description of private schools to be "independent" schools, and an IP editor is doing that on this article.  I do not believe this is a good thing.  It is clear (at least to US readers) what a "private" school is, it is a school that is not available as of right to any child in the general public, not part of the public school system.  What, on the other hand, is an "independent" school?  Independent of what?  "Independent" seems to me to be a branding/labelling thing, an attempt by private schools to undercut any reputation of elitism.I have reverted the changes, as I do not believe that "independent" is more accurate than "private", which is the generally accepted term for these schools. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "Private" versus "Independent"

message: The article mentions that the Saber Guard is Xavier's drill team.  What's happened to the "X" Squad?  I'd heard that they'd been suspended for a hazing incident; has the suspension turned into permanent dissolution? (BTW, the "sabers" the Saber Guard uses look pretty much like swords to me - straight and on sword hangers rather than saber safes.)Flidoc06 (talk) 00:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "X" Squad 

message: Beware the tendency to boast.  This article reads like a collection of student newspaper articles, even after some extensive pruning.  To truly impress, let plain facts speak for themselves.  Note WP:NPOV and WP:PEACOCK.  The page WP:COI appears relevant for many editors as well.  Note particularly Wikipedia:Avoid academic boosterism.
See this article about another Jesuit high school with similarly impressive "bragging rights" that appears to be much more neutrally presented, though certainly not perfect. Consider also that that article has more than 3× the number of inline citations and that very few are from the institution itself; it is poor practice to cite the subject of an article as occurs repeatedly here.  An active editor interested in this subject could well spend his time improving the number and quality of citations in this aritcle.  --Kbh3rdtalk 17:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puffery 

message: I went to fix a reference that someone forgot the  tags.  After I corrected the reference was going to a non existent page so I removed the reference if someone is able to figure out the correct reference it was at the end of this sentence:  "Xavier's Regiment has four extracurricular teams: the Rifle Team, the Raider Unit, the X-squad and the Saber Guard."  The reference that was there in case it helps is:  Saber.  If anyone can help improve that would be great.  This is also the reason I removed a reference, it was broken.
Etineskid(talk) 02:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Citation 

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