Talk:Nikolai Berzarin

message: Hi, excuse my bad english.
In the article is mentioned that "human right groups" protested when he was honorated again - I will talk about his "warcrimes" later on but first i want to say that this point is a lie.
The groups that complained were basically the "CDU", a party that was highly popular for old nazis, to example Hans Filbinger ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Filbinger ), and that had good contacts with the fascist regime of pinochet in chile. the head of the CDU, angela merkel called out a few days ago she would be "glad" about the killing of osama bin laden. few years ago, they had a scandal for schooling kroatian fascists. Calling those people a "human right group" is a punch in the face of any real human right group.
About the above discussion:
While the PDS was a left party, considered as the socialist Party of Germany, not the communist (PDS = Partei Deutscher Sozialisten), the SPD in Berlin can be called a party of the politically mid with some leftish contents, the green party could be considered as soft-left-libertarian (known for their engagement for regenerative powers and co.).
Bersarin sei im Herbst 1939 Militärbefehlshaber im Westen gewesen, als die Sowjetunion in Absprache mit Hitler die baltischen Staaten überfallen, annektiert und allein aus Lettland 47 000 Menschen deportiert habe. Diese Behauptung ist anhand der Personalakte längst widerlegt und auch niemals mehr wiederholt worden. In Wirklichkeit wurde Bersarin erst Ende Mai 1941 von Irkutsk nach Riga versetzt - knapp vier Wochen vor dem deutschen Überfall.
Bersarin was called to be a military operator in the west, when the sovjet union collaborated with hitler to raid the baltic states, annected them, and deported 47000 humans just from Lettland. this statement was proven wrong with his personnel file and was never repeated later on: For real Bersarin was moved from Orkutsk to Riga in the end of may 
1941, ca. 4 weaks before the german aggression.''
Again, excuse my bad english, i hope you can get the meaning.
Sourcce: http://www.berlinonline.de/berliner-zeitung/archiv/.bin/dump.fcgi/2000/0508/feuilleton/0005/index.html
Not even the CDU tried to imply anymore that he was responsible for the deportation, and as far as i know they never could deliver any source for their statement about him.
The statement that he is "famous for many war crimes against civilian population in the Baltic countries and Germany." is not holdable in any way - for the baltic thing see above, and no source makes him responsible for any warcrimes in germany. Formulations like "Like every allied commander"... are a wrong as well. He actually was the one who decided to allow political parties in germany (they were forbidden before), and his engagement to improve the situation of the people is outstanding in this issue (thats why he got the honoration after all ;). There might be violation of human rights be done by soldiers of his army, but since he tryed to track and punish the violators, he can't be seen as the responsible person here - and actually you would have to set this in every military commanders article - why cant i find it to example in the article of "Rommel", Alexander the Great or the actual commanders in the Irak? If we write it here, we have to write it everywhere (In my opinion it would not be wrong to give hints of the cruels of war as often as possible, but i'm afraid the people who are responsible for the sentence here beg to differ).
If you want to criticise the SU, there are enough better places, and they done enough shit-
no need to spread fictional facts here.
--91.49.174.169 (talk) 12:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Honorary freeman of Berlin