Talk:Torque (game engine)/TGEA

message: I wrote a licensing thing for this article, though I'm not the best writer. Feel free to correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.56.241.134 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 22 March 2007‎ (UTC)
:I removed the licensing info as it was pure advertising.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.110.89 (talk • contribs) 08:07, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Licensing 

message: I removed the link after visiting the site, there no game there, just a forum.  A recent post on that forum reads: TeamCombat is the working name for a standalone FPS game, development is very early and still in the prototye stage.  So you don't have a game to even link to.  Dream Focus 16:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I removed link to unfinished game 

message: Mac is supported as of 1.8.
Make a note of the fact TGEA being an evolution of TGE still uses the older tools and formats, whereas T3D which is all GarageGames now officially sells, prefers COLLADA format.
There is no cited reference for it being reportedly cheaper than Unreal Engine.  With the exception of UDK, which doesn't come with engine source code (Not much, if any C++ at least) Unreal Engine reportedly sells for over 700,000 (In USD) and I've seen other sources claim this as well, but the only confirmation is correlated with version 2 and not 3 of the engine, while it's not unreasonable to believe they kept the same rates for new purchasers of version 3.
UDK costs $99 but again comes with limited (At best) engine source code for commercial publication.
TGEA cost $295 for entities making less than $250,000 revenue (Indie) while the commercial unrestricted version costs $1495.
T3D costs $1000 for indies including source, or 100 in binary-only form, with the studio version having no published price.  (Probably a negotiated per-site, per title, percentage royalty if necessary deal)
Also, the licensing bit is pure fact, you can obtain it at the rates I cited, so no need to shoot it down like before with it being advertising, though the claims about the constant herding is pretty much true, based on their lack of roadmap and sporadic replacement of previous products out of the hat, as shown with TGE customers a few years back who were met with higher licensing costs if they chose to switch and reduced support if they didn't, to TGEA that is, then TGEA customers being urged to T3D as of now.
http://www.devmaster.net/engines/engine_details.php?id=25
http://www.devmaster.net/engines/engine_details.php?id=218
http://www.torquepowered.com/products/torque-3d  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparcdr (talk • contribs) 16:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mac OS X Support, Torque 3D, Licensing 

message: This engine is a continuation of the Torque Game Engine and follows into T3D which has no dedicated article.   It is unreasonable to have a distinct article for a now-deprecated version of a game engine, particularly when the current version has no article of its own.  Maybe the Torque Game Engine article should have the entire evolution of the engine, perhaps listing release dates and new features.Piggysan (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It was notable for the years it was out.  More information here than is over there.  I'm against the merge.  And it got plenty of coverage on its own.  Also, it was not a continuation of another product.  TGE and TGEA(formerly known as Shader) were for years developed at the same time, totally different engines.  They gave up on both of them after developing something new, making both products obsolete.  Dream Focus 04:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've merged TGEA with the TGE article since its only a component of the current engine and does not satisfy the notability criteria, and is also too much advertising for the same product. Please see the talk page of TGE for my notes. You might be surprised to know that every single line of the TGEA article was already copied wholesale into the TGE article as made the merging laughably easy. -- Tom Jenkins (reply) 20:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge With Torque Game Engine article