Talk:Mongol invasion of Europe

message: "the Mongols claimed control of Hungary, they could not occupy fortified cities such as Fehérvár, Esztergom, Veszprém, Tihany, Győr, Pannonhalma, Moson, Sopron, Vasvár, Újhely, Zala, Léka, Pozsony, Nyitra, Komárom, Fülek and Abaújvár" All Historical authors and expert will agree that Esztergom was destroyed by the Mongols, in fact that is the main reason why King Bela IV has to move its Capital to Buda because the city cannot be defended. please change it, it is not historically accurate.
* I live in Esztergom. I know for sure, that the town and the castle (citadel) were two separate places. The latter was built on a hill outside of the town. The royal palace and the archbishop's residence were located inside the citadel, with most of the treasure, that the mongols wanted. The poorly fortified town was completely destroyed by the mongols, it's documented. The citadel was besieged and charged repeatedly, but the mongols failed to take it. It's also documented in the sources. This again underlines, that the mongols could sack anything they wanted, but not the heavily fortified places. The town of Esztergom was quickly rebuilt, and it belonged to the archbishop from then on. As for the new capital, Buda, the town itself was built on a well defendable place.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.66.232.152 (talk) 19:18, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: No historical fact will support Mongols failed to occupy Esztergom

message: A number of the statements in the article are so far divorced from the actual primary sources that they are essentially fiction. For example, the article currently has: 
"The Mongols' pursuit of Béla IV continued from Zagreb through Pannonia to Dalmatia. While in pursuit, the Mongols under the leadership of Kadan (Qadan) suffered a major defeat at Klis Fortress in Croatia in March 1242."
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Thomas of Spalato, our best source on these events, actually says the following.
"However, the Tatars believed that the king [Bela IV of Hungary] was in the fortress of Klis, and so they began to attack the fort from all sides, launching arrows and hurling spears. However, the place was naturally well fortified, and they could cause only limited harm. So then they dismounted from their horses and began to creep up hand over hand to higher ground. But the defenders of the fort hurled huge stones at them and managed to kill a number of them. This setback, however, only made them more ferocious, and they came right up to the great walls and fought hand to hand. They looted the houses and took away no little plunder. But when they learnt that the king was not there, they abandoned their attack on the fortress, and ascending their mounts rode off in the direction of Trogir. All the same, no small number of them turned towards Split."
There is no possible way to derive the former statement from the actual source. This entire article is filled with distortions of this kind in some bizarre attempt to prove that the Europeans performed well in the invasions. I don't have the time to make a cleanup, but I did delete the offending passage at the very least.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldwinthebold (talk • contribs) 09:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I just want to repeat the last thing I said to the other guy since you want to bring up eurocentric bias I'll ask you to do your research into Germanic and Scottish people when when they came and found us with their armies that we didn't have any towns or cities none existed at all and we simply lived in families in peace and that you forced us to do these things you other people you forced us to consolidate our power into towns and cities and Nations so before you accuse us of a eurocentric bias please do your research even the native Americans they seem to have a lot of say but we found them they were living in towns and cities all everybody except that I know of okay so please don't accuse people of eurocentric bias until you know a little something about us 209.171.85.223 (talk) 08:51, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

text: 0 primitive cuz that's not the case at all the salts have always been current in metalworking when Iron age started we had iron when the bronze age started we had bronze and so on and so on we chose to live in families we didn't have cities or towns I was our way of life okay the natives all the white man in the white man ruins nature blah blah blah no no it's not how it happened at all we found you living in season we found you when they found us we just lived in families we were primitives we weren't nothing we were farmers we had the same technologies everyone we were ready to give them their fair fight but they forced us to consolidate into towns and cities and Nations and countries and it wasn't good for us it was horrible so before you open your mouth please go do your research and don't accuse us of something that you did yourself you know and all this stuff that you basically forced us to do or that little ass basically you I don't know who you is where it comes from I suppose it comes from Iran or Iraq area that was called something different at the time and made its way to grease and then into Rome and just spread from there but we we were actually Superior in in certain ways in the study of nature astrology science but no in Scotland and Germany not a single town or city existed when you came with your armies and found us 209.171.85.223 (talk) 08:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridiculous Eurocentric Bias - Needs serious overhaul 

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message: I can see German names like Legnitz or Breslau on the map, but in XIII century those places were Polish and it was Legnica and Wratislavia (now Wroclaw). 172.82.50.67 (talk) 13:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the in Kingdom of Hungary many cities names are German. It should be use appropriate names according to the timeline. OrionNimrod (talk) 13:35, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Town names. 

message: The infobox currently lists a Mongol victory as the outcome. As per body text, the Mongols were driven back eventually, and even the infobox already states: "Eventual Mongol withdrawal from Central Europe (1242)." Considering that, shouldn't we use something like "Initial Mongol victory" and "Eventual Mongol withdrawal from Central Europe"? That seems more accurate. For comparison, we don't list  Cortador (talk) 06:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was this really a Mongol victory?