Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 6

message: I think I read somewhere about the reason Orochimaru left the akatsuki. It was something along the lines of "because Itachi is stronger than orochimaru, he cannot be the next host. Orochimaru left the Akatsuki to concentrate on getting Sasuke instead." those aren't the exact words, but it was something like that. By the way, it's spelled as "tsukiyomi", not "tsukuyomi" 80.192.53.79 02:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have that already and I have no clue how to spell that jutsu.Sam ov the blue sand 03:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It can actually be spelled either way, but the more common way would be "Tsukiyomi", as "tsuki" is the correct way of spelling "moon" in japanese. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.208.26.179 (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orochimaru's Defection 

message: About the in universe tag is anyone doing anything about that I would help but I'm busy with User:Sam ov the blue sand/Ace Combat X Fictional Aircraft (can anyone help me with policies part) so I'm too busy and I havn't seen any changes in the article so I was wondering if anyone cared.Sam ov the blue sand 02:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And can this be semi-protected because it is getting in the way of any fixes that can be done here.Sam ov the blue sand 03:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey someone took my advice, awesome.Sam ov the blue sand 04:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Tag 

message: The article currently reads: "Kakuzu's four extra hearts are normally attached to four masks sewn onto his back, each one resembling a demonic animal. The visible three resemble an eagle, a lion, and an ox. The fourth is damaged by Kakashi Hatake's Lightning Blade before being unveiled, so it's unclear what animal it is intended to resemble."
If what this says is true, then the 4th mask is most likely the face of a demonic man, as the other three masks are the symbols of the evangelists, the 4 apostles who wrote the 4 gospels in the new testament of most christian bibles - matthew(man) mark(lion) luke(ox) and john(eagle). If you look at Four_Evangelists It mentions this, and if you look at the picture on the right, you'll notice it corresponds to Kakuzu's back, and the destroyed heart would correspond to the human. Of course, that's assuming those other three animals are correct. Frankly, I can't tell what they're supposed to be. :/ --66.159.174.12 06:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It being a pig is actually more likely, given a flashback frame, but we can't guess at it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

text: you cannot be serious.--Sphinxridd 18:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I can tell, people on wikipedia generally don't like it when people make joke suggestions on the talk pages.  So, to answer your question, yes, I am completely serious.  Just reading the naruto articles indicates that there is plenty of mythology hidden in bits and pieces in the story, I don't see what it is about this that makes you think I'm joking. Three of the four masks are an ox, eagle, and lion, three of the four evangelistic symbols are an ox, eagle, and lion. The remaining evagelistic symbol is that of a man, who occupies the same space on the aformentioned picture, as the position of the destroyed mask on kakuzu's back.--66.159.136.184 19:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Perhaps not false, but simply unproven? 207.236.93.210 23:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then how about this: the masks comes from the hand seals. I've heard that the Tiger seal is used with fire elements techniques, and Tiger and Lion are relatives, and there is seal for Brid and Ox that has not been given a element but they could fit in. Worth considering? Jacce 08:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 4th Mask 

message: I requested that this page be semi-protected. I am sorry I didn't discuss it here first. It's just that I was tired of seeing vanalism and speculations. Sorry again for not bringing it up. Was it a good move? --Tohru HondaSign here! 01:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a great idea, honestly. Having to revert the speculation can be a pain sometimes. However, I foresee a bunch of new registrations whose sole purpose is to reinsert such speculation into the article. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 01:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, but remember: They'll have to wait four days to do it, being newly registered and all ;). --Tohru HondaSign here! 02:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh if you only watched the village pump. You'd be surprised how persistent some vandals are. That said, such persistence isn't common here. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: There was vandalism on this page?--Emokid200618 02:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't ask questions you can answer yourself. You're on the page. Of course there was vanadalism. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about?  I've never edited the article page, and I can't answer it myself just because I'm on the page because I don't know what's going on.--Emokid200618 21:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can read the edit history same as we can. It's a simple task to click two tabs. There's no need to ask us when you can easily figure it out yourself. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't check the history, it takes too long and it's just easier to ask.--Emokid200618 22:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So you'd rather give us a hard time to look it up for you than do it yourself? That sounds pretty lazy. Trying to be as civil as I can here, so no offense on that. --Tohru HondaSign here! 23:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Good for you, I'm lazy as hell that's why I'm here all the time and playing Resistance 24/7 and waiting until the last minute to do my homework, speaking of which I've got a project due tommorow and 3 other tests to study including... spelling (Oh my god).Sam ov the blue sand 21:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: So, seeing the history should be no more difficult or life-threatening than Homework or chores. :) --Tohru HondaSign here! 00:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: why is the article all screwed up where the members are because all i can see is a table with boxes and it sucks cause its very confusing i hope this is just random violation because i dont want it to stay like thisZetsuie 18:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep that would be vandalism, happens all the time.Sam ov the blue sand 00:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  what happened to the members section of the article 

message: I added it with a verificational link, but it got removed. Can you not trust ANN as a proper source?
It even says it here on the page:  and here: 
Wasabi Mizuta is Deidara's seiyuu.. RedEyesMetal 17:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ANN is never a "proper" source as content like that is added in by users. I remember Mizuta being Deidara's seiyuu originated with a post on 2ch, but nothing's been confirmed. As of now, it's just a rumor. The Splendiferous Gegiford 19:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deidara's Seiyuu... 

message: I don't know if this has been touched on before and until we see a databook or anime episode it will be hard to prove, but isn't it possible that Kakuzu's threads aren't threads but instead blood vessels. This would make sense as he keeps extra hearts around. Rayfire65.222.216.227 18:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I've pointed out that the "threads" might've been chakra controlled blood (I don't think it's entire blood vessels since Kukuzu deattached his right hand and made it move on it's own), but that he used multiple hearts to charge/animate his blood with was something that I couldn't have immagined in my wildest dreams. 217.208.27.4 23:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blood Vessels 

message: It all started when i was emailing my friend and i was showing her some pictures when i found THIS:
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/True_Obito/Akatsuki___Whats_left_to_see.jpg 
I'm not sure if it's the real deal but it just fits yeah!!! 
-from, a naruto fan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.87.217.34 (talk) 18:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fanart; it's not at all official. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 19:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My mom could look at that, not knowing about the subject, and say it fanart and on top of that bad fanart.Sam ov the blue sand 23:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definite fanart. The leader hasn't even been revealed in the manga yet. --Itachi Uchiha13 21:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Very nice picture.  It's almost worth the pages of useless conversation above. (almost…) –Gunslinger47 11:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What threw me off when the pic was loading was that it was in color. I knew it was fanart before it finished loading right there. As per Ginslinger, it is pretty fanart. --Tohru Honda13Talk•Sign here 18:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted that picture on the "Akatsuki Leader" discussion, it's fanart... The best fan art picture of the AL I've seen uptil now, but fanart none the less. 217.208.27.4 23:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have found out what the leader of akatsuki and unnamed person looks like posibly  

message: I am asking this question because on almost each of the members' profiles it said that their first cameos were in chapter 238. We know that Itachi, Kisame, Zetsu, Sarori and the leader were all members before the timeskip, but what about the others? Hidan said that he was the second newest member, so he might have joined during the timeskip. So I think we should remove the info about how some of the members' first cameo was in chapter 238.   Omimon January 21 2007
:I doubt it. Pretty much all of the members can be matched to the panel in 238. The only real difference is that Hidan and Kakuzu got redesigns (Kakuzu was made shorter and Hidan got a different hairstyle). And I'm pretty sure that was Hidan because when Hidan had a little cameo in chapter 250-something complaining about not being able to find his Bijuu he had a different hairstyle. The Splendiferous Gegiford 02:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still in favor of dropping the cameo bullet all together, which would solve this particular problem. ~SnapperTo 02:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even taking out the cameo thing, the shadows would still count as their first appearence. The Splendiferous Gegiford 21:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally consider the first time they did anything of significance to be their "first appearance", but that's just me. ~SnapperTo 22:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: There's no reason to assume their membership has changed at all over the last few years, apart from the Tobi/Sasori switch. Until otherwise mentioned, the discrepancies in appearance can be attributed to an artist fluke. They still have a cameo appearance. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if we look at the shadow images of them during their first cameo, it would appear as if Kakuzu could've had another partner by then (that big, giant like guy)... This is further implied by the fact that Hidan said that he was, next to Tobi, the newest member of Akatsuki and the fact that Kakuzu said that he had tendencies of killing his partners, so the idea of Hidan joining Akatsuki during the time-skip really aren't that farfetched. 217.208.25.160 15:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: One, he does not give a timeframe. Two, shadows don't give specific details. Three, when you collect such facts, make sure you quote them properly. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That the scythe is absent is debatable.  Looking to the rear, you can see a reclined member with four spikes coming from his head region.  Five points are seen in the same scene of the anime, with the two outside ones seeming to be from the robe's collar.  For all we know, the middle three spikes could be attributed to Hidan's scythe.  As Someguy0830 says, the shadows don't give specific details, so we can't be sure. –Gunslinger47 01:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text: A detail like "within the last year" is not something scant groups miss. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did the members change during the two and a half years? 

message: Just want to know: what happend when Kakuzu combined his masks. The text clearly stats that something like that happand. Current text: "These bodies can merge together to allow combination elemental attacks to be used." Jacce 08:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, someone should add a picture of his merged form. 217.208.25.160 15:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have two.  I believe that is sufficient. –Gunslinger47 19:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But not one with his mask combind forces. If it dosen't fit in with the artikel you can put it in the list of Ninjutsu.Jacce 16:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Three pictures simply muddles the section. It's not of utmost importance in any case. And it can't be put in the list of Ninjutsu because the combination attacks aren't named. 69.224.152.255 08:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kakuzus combined masks 

message: In the last paragraph of the Itachi section, one sentence reads "The few normal ninjutsu he uses aren't necessarily that powerful, but Itachi is able to use them so quickly that even another Sharingan user has trouble following the movements."  While the second part of that seems true, can a statement like "The few normal ninjutsu he uses aren't necessarily that powerful" really be made?  I would recommend rewriting that statement to eliminate anything about how powerful his ninjutsu are, and simply make it a reference to the speed at which he performs his techniques. 128.2.148.25 20:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about calling them "basic" rather than "not necessarily that powerful"? –Gunslinger47 20:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Itachi's ninjutsu

message: Why is Kisame in truth.com in the downloads section;when I tried to download it, it gave me random letters.Expo377 06:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense.  You'll need to explain yourself more clearly.  I believe you might be confused. –Gunslinger47 06:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It's part of TheTruth.com's viral marketing scheme.  I'm not sure what it has to do with Kisame because, as you say, the PDF download appears to be corrupted.  I doubt that it'd be worth noting in this article, however. –Gunslinger47 07:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kisame in a website? 

message: bad idea. im just a random observer, but it makes the article silly. why have pictures of descriptions for everyone else but no image for hidan and a short description? Bring back Hidan's original section and just keep the main article: link.
:I disagree. Hidan's section seems fine to me because he has his own article. The same with Sasori. Treima 02:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a picture would be nice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.56.224.66 (talk) 03:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then all of the other Akatsuki members should have seperate pages, especially Itachi (he has a very big part to play in the show). On that note, don't you think you should write a summery of what Itachi has done during the episodes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.170.30 (talk) 11:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only when we get to that point will we write the plot and only when the members get enough info (like Hidan and Sasori) will they be considered for an article of their own and Itachi simply hasn't done enough to be considered for an article of his own. And every other article like this one does what we do with the members with articles of their own.Sam ov the blue sand 22:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing hidans description and picture 

message: Now that Shikamaru took care of Hidan shouldn't he be listed under former members?  I know that he's still alive but he's being guarded by the Nara clan so at least for now he's out of action.--Emokid200618 22:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Former is only for those permanently or willingly cut from the ranks. Hidan's condition is by no means one that can't be overcome. All it would take is a shovel. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait a second... Does that mean, that when Naruto is finnished, all of the members will (probably) be listed under the "former members" section? ... I guess we'll just have to focus on that matter when that time comes, eh? 217.208.25.18 02:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The useful fact about that is when every member is either dead or the organization scattered to the wind, we can smash the sections together into a single section. Still, that's an issue for then, not now. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If Hidan isn't out of the hole by the end of the arc, can we go ahead and move him to former? Besides, I don't think a shovel is going to work on a bunch of boulders. The Splendiferous Gegiford 02:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I was being slightly sarcastic about that, but sure. If they don't bother to dig him up, we'll stick him in former. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think they'll dig him up. If they do, they'll probably just try to find his ring. And probably all of the members will be dead when Naruto is finish (there goes 2 of my favorite characters). But what if only 1 member is left? Suppose Sasuke doesn't kill Itachi? He decides he's not worth killing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.190.227 (talk) 12:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: There's still the issue of the ring.  The Akatsuki do not replace members unless they can get the ring back, which makes them pretty motivated. –Gunslinger47 01:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But if Kakuzu is dead then there will be no piont in having an H.H. (Hidan Head) and they will replace him.Sam ov the blue sand 04:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. What you said. If Kakuzu is dead, Hidan will stay without a head (which is as good as dead). They will only care about the ring. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.190.227 (talk) 12:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Well it's the end of the arc. So I guess Hidan should be put under the former members section. Dasherman 02:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Nobody. He's still in possession of his ring and he has yet to defect, meaning he's still a member. ~SnapperTo 01:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Like Someguy said, he isn't a former member until he leaves, dies, or is forcibly removed. I don't think we've seen the last of him, because at the least the leader will be sending Zetsu out to get the ring back (or Hidan's pieces). Hell, his head might well dig itself out of the pit (those that think it isn't possible, neither is Naruto digging a tunnel large enough for himself to crawl through and uppercut Neji in less than three minutes). We know that he is immortal, so he isn't dead. Be patient. Treima 01:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's your own speculation. There is a big difference between what Naruto did and a head digging itself out of tons of solid rock. Even Kishimoto probably wouldn't go there. While applying physics to a fantasy setting is a losing proposition, Hidan's head and body parts should have been crushed by the rock, making him no more than mush now. The Leader should comment on what happened to Kakuzu and Hidan very soon, giving us a definite word on the fate of Hidan. Dasherman 07:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes fanasty to phisics... oh wait they can jump 20 feet in the air! ^_^Sam ov the blue sand 01:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidan a Former Member 

message: i appologise if this sounds stupid but im going to ask anyway, do you think it should say that their first episode appearance was when they were all silhouette, i mean i understand this is colaborated info from both the manga and the anime, but if we mention that they all basically appeared in episode  135, should we at least not mention that it was as a silhouette
anyway that was just what i was thinking
if you need clarification or what not ask me and i'll go into a bit more detail
Ancientanubis 23:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This has already been accounted for.  "First appearance" does not include silhouetted appearances.  A separate field, "first cameo", contains that information instead. –Gunslinger47 03:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, in Naruto shippuden episode 2 ( I think)you could say sasori and diedara had and apperance. Someone could also get new pics from there —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.230.196.213 (talk) 13:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1st Episode apperance

message: well i was wondering, would the pic of Deidara it shows in the hurricane chronicles theme song work.  i mean it show Deidara's whole face. Allen Walker 20:09, 16 February
:Not a very good one. Wait a week. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, that pic is sorta at an angle.Sam ov the blue sand 04:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deidara anime pic?

message: This is bull, at the very second the lock goes down the vandals take their shot at the article. I know this is normal for articles but I think this amount of vandalism in such a short time is a bit over excessive.Sam ov the blue sand 05:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: lets just petition to get them blocked:P  although about the tobi/obito thing i did come across that same thought earlier today..... although the only problem is that obito lost his right eye and thats where the hole for tobi's eye is, although that could be a symbol of somethin...LOL, i'm rambelin now.... Ancientanubis 07:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Meh, IP blocks won't work normally. Most vandals just show up one day and say "k im gonna rite somethin lol" and then leave, so blocking them would be pretty pointless. Most blocks are only 24 hours or so anyway. It'd be nice if we could get this article permanently semi-protected, but I don't think they'll do that. The Splendiferous Gegiford 07:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Incorrect.   Tobi's eyehole fits over his right eye. –Gunslinger47 10:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Ugh. I just had to edit the "Unnamed member". Somebody thought it would be cute to make their personal idea about who s/he is public knowledge.Ikani87 19:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  thats what i said gunslinger, it was his right eye:PAncientanubis 05:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes.Sam ov the blue sand 18:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: More or less. It's only going to increase now that the anime's back on canon material, though. The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the manga material. It's never been explicitly said that the manga is canon. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 18:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...okay, what? If the manga isn't canon then what is? The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NeoChaos was surely joking, wasn't he? I'm not very good with online sarcasm. Retlor 03:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm serious. Where's some sources that establish that the manga is canon? All I've seen to justify the manga being canon are fan assumptions that since it's the first media published, it must be the canonical one. Unless there's an interview or other official media that establishes the manga is canon, I don't see it as such. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 04:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Turning the statement around might be more true to your intention.  "It's never been explicitly said that the anime filler is not canon." –Gunslinger47 04:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's what I mean. The filler may be horrible, yes, but it is premature to declare it (or the anime's differences in presenting events for that matter) "not canon", when it hasn't been officially declared as such. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 04:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That I can agree with. The filler episodes have not been declared uncanonical and we must therefore regard them as part of the established canon until Kishimoto, or someone speaking for him, tells us otherwise. Retlor 06:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  And the Vandals come marching right in. 

message: Is this a fact mentioned in the manga or is it just some BS theory? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Indianhitman (talk • contribs) 18:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kakashi asks him how far his eyesight has deteriorated. The context makes it pretty clear that it refers to his Mangekyo Sharingan. Retlor 19:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, earlier in the manga, Kisame comments that MS is dangerous for his eyes.Ikani87 19:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the episode where Itachi and Kisame fight Asuma and Kurenai Kisame comments that using the MS too much would be bad for his eyes. Some peope think that he was reffering to Itachi's chakra but it is actually that since I"tachi never turns off his sharingan that soon he would eventually lose his sight. Later in the manga when Kakashi is fighting Itachi he does ask how much Itachi's sight had deteriorated. This means that the mangekyo sharingan does have a side affect and Itachi is well aware of that because when you next see him after his first fight with Asuma and Kurenai he does not have the sharingan or MS activated when he didnt need it. So yes if Itachi has his MS on too much he would, in fact, go blind eventually. Orochimaru12 18:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Itachi going blind? 

message: Is it Possible that She is the Leaders partner? she is always seen near him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.215.171.4 (talk • contribs) 05:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: its possible, but Zetsu is always "reportin" to the leader too, so it may be him... OR with the fact that his ring means "zero" then maybe he technically has no partner(or maybe b/c Orochimaru left) she is zetsu's partner and he has no partnerAncientanubis 05:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there are currently an odd number of Akatsuki, that means that at least one of them does not have a party member. –Gunslinger47 06:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unnamed member

message: Should we put Hidan in the former members area?  Or is Zetsu or Deidara gonna dig em up when they retrieved Kakuzu's ring?--Count Mall 02:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Until the event you just described happens (possibly tomorrow), we have to keep him on the active roster. Treima 02:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidan in the former members area? 

message: It appears that Sasori is the only Akatsuki member without a picture. I recommend that wikipedia gets a pic from the anime to place in the forums. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oowashi (talk • contribs) 23:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's going to be a few months until the anime actually shows Sasori's true form. Until then, I think his page is fine.Ikani87 01:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Sasori does have a pic. It's in his article. Same as Hidan's pic and Kakuzu's pic. The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: maybe they're refuring to a picture of them on the "akatsuki" page.... speaking of that,(it has prob been discussed before but i'll bring it up anyway)... any thoughts on adding a pic for the "former members" on the akasuki page, just a small one so if someones lookin for it by face instead of name its easier to find????, just a thought.    Ancientanubis 04:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHAT ABOUT SASORI????? 

message: I don't necessarily doubt it, but why are Orochimaru and Sasori no longer former teammates? What has come to light that disproves this idea? ~SnapperTo 05:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The previous source has been called into question as a possible translation error. –Gunslinger47 05:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, I'm not so sure of myself. I went back and looked up some translations from chapter 267, where the line comes from, and the first two I came to had a line like "Orochimaru was originally one of us", like these two:   But now that I go further than that, there are about 3 that do mention the partner thing. I'll look into it a little more and come back. The Splendiferous Gegiford 06:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, I'll go back and readd the stuff I removed. A while back someone mentioned that it was a translation error, but looking at the original Japanese text, it does imply that they were teammates. Plus the fact that Japanese Wikipedia mentions Sasori and Orochimaru as a pair, and I doubt they'd be confused by their original language. The Splendiferous Gegiford 06:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  ik its may be irelivent now, but i took it upon my self to re-read all the post-time skip manga for some reason, the line in question(i assume) is "hey now, i didtn have anything to do wiht the yondaime. the ones who provided the help were my subordinates... although within akatsuki, I was origionally teamed wiht orochimaru, so we did alot together...." as i read more i'll post the mentions of sasori and orochimaru just so everyone is happy and we can all dance:P___Ancientanubis 05:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: yay more information: in chapter 294 Kabuto says "sasori harbored much ill-will towards orochimaru-sama, and was always talking of how he intended to finish him with his own hands, if he's gone back on those words and sent you to do the job... then that means he's been reduced to a state where he can't do it himself"(pg 14 of chapter 294)..... hope this may clear stuff up some, or at least that i was of some helpAncientanubis 21:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sasori and Orochimaru 

message: Would anyone be in favour of splitting this article into the info on the organisation and then a members page that would allow for more information for each without making the main akatsuki page too long itself?Darkwarriorblake 18:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: hmmm.... sounds very interesting, the only thing im worried about though is that to some people it may seem redundant to have 2 seperate pages for akatsuki.... then again, they've kinda done the same thing with hollow's in bleach, and hollow's, and it seems to flow fairely nicely... i mean, besides a lack of some visual's....... i guess i'm a go for it, as long as we find somewhat of a good way to break it up without spreading information too thin, like maybe keeping even shorter summaries of the characters on the main page as to make things easier for some people:PAncientanubis 20:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: personally, i think the whole "hollows in bleach" and "hollows" is a great example of how we could do it, i mean as long as we keep it simple enough for the common person to understand and also easy to navigate... i mean, keeping this in mind we also wouldnt feel that guilty on expanding more on akatsuki as a group also i think that it'd be a nice little project to keep us all occupied:P__  Ancientanubis 21:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Members section doesn't take up that much room. And with members dieing at a rapid pace they will soon all have their own articles.Sam ov the blue sand 22:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Once again you're are forgetting the IP's if we got rid of the former members section they'd be like "WHERE THE HELL'S SASORI AND THE OTHERS!" and we will have to point them in the right direction time and again. Remember the IP's, they're members too albeit anonymous members.Sam ov the blue sand 01:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, but thats why they're sayin that if we keep a very small section on the main page, wiht a picture of each of the members(keeps the anonymous's happy) then we can have a seperate page with more indepth info on the members all while kinda spreading out the whole thing, i mean personally i've felt that the akatsuki page is VERY long, maybe breaking it up may be a better way to distribute the informationAncientanubis 02:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look, if you're looking to break up an article than go to Naruto's page and split that up because it needs it and this page doesn't. And this page doesn't break the limit so it's fine.Sam ov the blue sand 03:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 12kb over the limit, but that's not the point. Unlike Hollows, we know next to nothing about the organization itself, other than the first sections, which constitute a bit more than a stub. Splitting the article isn't necessary. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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