Talk:A21 road (England)/Archive 1

message: Why are the "roads joined" in numerical order, rather than the order that the road actually crosses them? The latter would be a lot more useful! Halsteadk (talk) 19:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roads joined 

message: Why isn't Tonbridge a primary destination. It is at the junction with the A21/A26 FM (talk) 17:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Primary Destinations, as a defined term, are specified by the Local Transport Note 1/94 published by the Department of Transport.  I don't know why it wasn't included, but as far as I am aware, this has been the only officially-published document listing Primary Destinations in the UK.  If you are aware of any other official guidance, please amend the article List of primary destinations on the United Kingdom road network and provide reference to that source.  — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 08:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
All other sources i have found list Tunbridge Wells as a pd kentm (talk) 20:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Just to clear up. Sevenoaks is not that close to Tonbridge.  kentm (talk) 14:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

text: All road atlas ive seen also its obvious that 
At least one of the places (Tonbridge and Tunbridge Wells) since Tonbridge is at the A21/A26 and a lot of traffic goes to Tunbridge Wells which is is often the cause of congestion in that area. kentm (talk) 16:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Kentem, could you please sign your posts with your username, not an alternative name. You are giving the impression that you're masking your identity. Halsteadk (talk) 18:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary Destinations? 

message: st I have swapped and sorted them, They both work now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakmighty (talk • contribs) 14:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to HA site 

message: Have added the copyedit template to this section as it is hard to understand, seems to be factually incorrect in places or contain own research masquerading as facts, and some sentences are not complete sentences. I drive this road every day and I hardly recognise it! I'll probably pop back and tidy it up myself when I get a moment if no-one beats me to it. Halsteadk (talk) 19:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: and I have actually changed this to say Badgers Mt to Pembury since this is actually the area it covers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.160.254 (talk) 08:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sevenoaks and Tonbridge 

message: I notice this when it says: The kippings cross to lamberhurst section has a high accident rate, The Reference iss there kentm (talk) 20:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed? 

message: ===Move===
Suggest move to Hastings Ring Road? Think outside the box 17:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok thats already there... Think outside the box 17:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The trouble with moving the article is that there is no Hastings Ring Road. Nuttah (talk) 17:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I just realized that! Should this be a speedy then if its completely fake? Think outside the box 17:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Do you have some sources for this or a picture of the sign? I've looked and I see what you could mean google map link, but unless someone can provide a source stating that is specifically called Hastings ring road, the content is already covered by A2100, A28, A259 and A21. Think outside the box 12:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

text: User:Kentem (talk) 09:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from 'Hastings Ring Road' 

message: Suggest move to Hastings Ring Road? Think outside the box 17:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok thats already there... Think outside the box 17:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The trouble with moving the article is that there is no Hastings Ring Road. Nuttah (talk) 17:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I just realized that! Should this be a speedy then if its completely fake? Think outside the box 17:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Do you have some sources for this or a picture of the sign? I've looked and I see what you could mean google map link, but unless someone can provide a source stating that is specifically called Hastings ring road, the content is already covered by A2100, A28, A259 and A21. Think outside the box 12:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

text: User:Kentem (talk) 09:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: After various edits I decided to bring this up here:
The village of Oakhurst does appear on map's including OS, Philips and the AA.
Therefore the reference should be kept although maybe with a reference to the A225/B245.
Any Comments? FM [ talk to me | show contributions ]  18:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that although it is shown on most maps, it is NOT a "village", along with an awful lot of other names on maps. Note that the typeface on the OS maps is much smaller than for Hildenborough or Sevenoaks Weald, which are both villages. Being a very local resident of many years I can assure you of this, and I would guess that most people would not have even heard of it. It is a handful of houses and a truck garage on a crossroads, not even enough to warrant a drop in speed limit on the B245. It does not appear on any signs, therefore would be unrecognisable for anyone on the A21 (and is practically unnoticeable as a settlement along the B245) - it is a "hamlet" at best. Some respect for local knowledge would benefit this article, rather than just a blind survey of OS maps.  It would be preferable to be more specific, ie rather than the "junction near Oakhurst" why not say the "junction with the A225/B245" - that will also solve this dispute. In terms of major signposted settlements, the "junction south of Sevenoaks" or "junction north of Hildenborough" would be more appropriate. Halsteadk (talk) 17:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I see where your coming from, The standard on a road article is to put the name of the nearest settlement. As I have mentioned already, why not say "Junction with the A225/B245 near Oakhurst"? That would solve the dispute and name both the roads and nearest settlement. FM [ talk to me | show contributions ]  18:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason for not mentioning such an insignificant "settlement" is that readers will need to have an OS 1:50k or 1:25k map in front of them to cross-refer to Oakhurst. Oakhurst is not mentioned on road signs, there is no "welcome to Oakhurst" sign or anything else. Some maps such as Google Maps don't mention it at all - although G Maps is hardly authoritative compared with the OS it does suggest that it is not significant, and OS doesn't show it at 1:250,000.  It is not helpful to mention such an insignificant place. The "junction with the A225/B245 between Sevenoaks and Tonbridge" would be far more appropriate. Bearing in mind the distance between junctions on the A21 this is a more appropriate "scale" - if there was a junction near Oakhurst, another at Stocks Green, another at Haysden etc, then mentioning smaller places would then be more appropriate and necessary.  Alternatively "...near Sevenoaks Weald" would be reasonable as that is the nearest settlement that is significant enough to be shown on all maps (and it's signposted from the junction). Halsteadk (talk) 13:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't just on OS, as I said, it is also on the Philips and, sometimes, AA maps of the UK. However Oakhurst and Sevenoaks Weald are both a similar distance from each other, so since Sevenoaks Weald is the larger settlement (and, of course, shown on the signs) it is good to keep it at that. FM [ talk to me | show contributions ]  17:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, Sevenoaks Weald is fine. Cheers, Halsteadk (talk) 20:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oakhurst