Talk:Simone Bittencourt de Oliveira

message: ...seems impossible to me. But I do not know how to edit a Wikipedia page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.126.94.210 (talk) 14:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you want me ot say: that she was born one month prematre, since she was born one month earlier than nine months? Is it so??Lulu Margarida yes? 12:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed this phrasing. AnmaFinotera 01:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born eight months premature... 

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:Lulu Margarida yes? 17:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AUTORIZAÇÃO

message: I feel that this article is very overlong and loaded with unsourced and trivial information. I'd be interested in hearing the opinions of other editors in that regard.
Firstly, many of the sources appear to be linked to a fan website, simonepedacos.multiply.com, which I'm not sure is a reliable source; there's also a YouTube video used as a source, which is definitely not reliable as per WP:RS. There are entire sections that are virtually unsourced, such as the Repertoire and Talent, Voice sections. Repertoire, especially, seems to be a distillation of information that could be considered original research.
Much of the article is written in an overly positive tone. Sentences such as "Throughout the '80s, a decade marked by a wide recognition of female singers, she consolidated her name reaching sales records and packing nightclubs, gymnasium, stadiums: her records flew out of the shelves as soon as they were thrown and the name Simone shone as one of the greatest icons of the local show business." are found throughout the article, and need to be toned down extensively. Other examples are "From first LP recorded then to the current days the talent discovered is expressed by the spontaneity, the gifted talent , without any registration of passage for music schools or song classes, either uses the reading of ciphers as a resource to the chords." and the first sentence under "Duets", as well as others.
No offense to the author, but there are grammar issues throughout the article that need to be polished. 
Essentially, there are a lot of issues that need to be dealt with. I've tagged requesting copyediting and further reliable sources; hopefully, more editors can help out to reduce some of these issues. 
Thoughts from others would be greatly appreciated. Tony Fox (arf!) 21:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As for the citation: ; this link is from Brazil´s most respected news Magazine, Revista Veja. There was this article on the cover of Veja, Simone and many other brazilian female singers. The article is entitled "The nation of femal singers" and is aimed at telling the history of how "women sharply prevail" in Brazilian Music, most of them consolidated their names, fame, and etc in the eighties. Lulu Margarida yes? 22:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The "gifted talent, spontaneity" is also WIDELY know that she never had teacher... or wassisted a schoolclass. Lulu Margarida yes? 22:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I concur with Tony Fox's assessment and think this review is long overdue. I would have done it myself, if it would not have inflamed an already difficult situation.--Dali-Llama 00:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I also concur with Tony Fox's assessment.  I've tackled some of it and cleaned out all for the bad references (including all to the fan site which, by Lulu Margarida's own admission does not meet reliability guidelines when it is run by her close friend and fan). I also cleaned up the biography section some.  Some help from the Biography project would be good.  There is probably a lot that should be removed per WP:Living as well.  AnmaFinotera 01:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Additional notes. In working on the clean up, more copyvio violations were found (whole sections listed from the allmusic page), so they have been removed. AnmaFinotera 02:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Who is Bittencourt de Oliveira? Very good job! You put all these pics together, looks good! You deleted inof abt her repertoire...Lulu Margarida yes? 01:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: AnmaFinotera: Good job on cleanup. This is more concise and readable, and I'm not seeing the promotional tone anymore, at least not so it jumps out at me. I'm a littel iffy on the big list of songs at the end, but I'll leave that up to consensus. All in all, looks smoother. Thanks for the second opinion. =) Tony Fox (arf!) 16:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks :) Probably still needs some copyediting, and definately still needs sourcing, but hopefully most of the cruft is out.  I'm undecided on the songs too.  It is technically part of her music, and I couldn't find precedence for or against keeping them.  AnmaFinotera 19:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues with the article 

message: Main spctacles appear to be a repetition of discography? And what abt grammar and spelling ???? No grammar nor spelling problems so far? Lulu Margarida yes? 01:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What abt gramamr / spelling? Lulu Margarida yes? 01:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: There were a ton of grammar and spelling errors in the sections I've edited so far. Most of the sentences made little to no sense, and many appeared to be bad translations from another source. It makes me wonder if much of this article came from the fan site after being run through Babelfish or the like. AnmaFinotera 01:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Main spectacles?

message: A bibliography should be a section of things Simone wrote herself, not things written about her.  Putting here in case they may be useful for referencing for the article
:Where did you get that absurd notion? It seems you're talking about an Autobiography, not about a Biography! --AVM (talk) 01:18, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliography

message: * Travessia: A vida de Milton Nascimento. Maria Dolores. 2006. Rcb Publisher.
* 1985, O ano em que o Brasil recomeçou. Edmundo Barreiros e Pedro Só. 2006. Ediouro Publisher.
* História sexual da MPB. Rodrigo Faour. 2006. Rcb publisher.
* Nada será como antes, a MPB nos anos 70. Ana Maria Bahiana. 2006. Senac Publisher.
* Timoneiro - Perfil Biográfico de Hermínio Bello de Carvalho. Alexandre Pavan. 2006. Casa da Palavra Publisher.
* Toquinho: 40 anos de música. João Carlos Pecci. 2005. RCS Publisher .
* Viver de Teatro - Uma biografia de Flávio Rangel. José Rubens Siqueira. Nova Alexandria Publisher.
**Bibliography not critical. Just citations.
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So, you should call yr friends while you have insomnia (as yr user page warns us) and ask them why they simply forgot to correct all these grammar and spelling that you yr self is not showing where they are. Many editors visited the article but didn´t find anything but typing errors. You can´t even imagine how helpful yr work is, and how funny it sounds call Simone as Bittencourt de Oliveira. You knwo that is even a JOKE abt it, because she so WIDELY know for her first name that whe someone calls her for the family´s name she doesn´t even answer!!! Funny, huh? Yeah, it´s very famous joke media and press usually does with her --how abt instead of Princess Diana, we call her Miss Spencer? I wonder why you have insomnia: green tea is very good for insomnia. Lulu Margarida yes? 01:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Wikipedia guidelines, people are usually referred to by their last names in articles, so I followed convention there. Since she is more commonly called by her first name, I've updated the article accordingly. If you are unwilling to acknowledge or accept that the article was full of grammar and spelling errors, there isn't anything I can do.  You can compare versions to see what was corrected, if you want to see them.  Other editors may have visited the article, but its sheer length was daunting so its understandable that most went after the biggest issues they noted.  Also, please read the WP:Civility policy. Your snide comments are neither welcome nor appropriate and an appropriate warning has been left on your user page. AnmaFinotera 01:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The things cut were not encyclopedic and had no place in the article.  What was kept was rewritten, as best I could, to correct some of the grammar and spelling issues.  Right now, I'm mostly concentrating on removing the extraneous stuff to make it easier to copyedit. AnmaFinotera 01:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: You said the sheer lenght? You mean yr friends, editors, administrators, don´t read LONG, tiring (oh, too long...lots of words!!) articles???  Are you sure you mean that? There MANY other things there I could whisper to you (just between us, ok?) much worse than Simone xx Bittencourt de Oliveira...but I will let you think while yr in bed! Lulu Margarida yes? 02:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliography

message: :Very good job, you are talented! The only thing you really edited on this article was changing her name --I just don´t understand why you belive me...I mean calling her for her first name is a trivia, and you should follow WP ´s rule, not me. So refer her Bittencourt de Oliveira and not Simone whatsoever. Oh, by the way, the remaining pic will soon be deleted --all Simone´s fans want distance from WP. Can you point any, at least ONE, grammar / spelling diff? Lulu Margarida yes? 02:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't just believe you.  I checked other artists, like Madonna, to see what convention was used on their articles and followed suit.  AnmaFinotera 02:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: "Unreleased soap operas themes"??? Wow, there is a GIANT industry in Brazil that releases all these, you know, but that´s trivia, follow WP!! (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)Lulu Margarida yes? 02:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If they have been released to CD, the CDs should be listed, not just the songs. AnmaFinotera 02:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The cds are released. I think you should delete this as well. You still follow my tips? Why is that? Lulu Margarida yes? 02:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar?

message: :Do you know what´s Devil´s brand, feature? He is totaly naive. Lulu Margarida yes? 02:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Devil

message: #http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simone_Bittencourt_de_Oliveira&oldid=169994730  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lulu Margarida (talk • contribs) 16:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: what´s this crap they did ? gosh this real article to be foud on a discussion page is factual one. what´s left is bullshit.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.241.105.3 (talk) 15:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The real article

message: This article has a huge problem with a lack of WP:RS many sections are unreferenced or largely unreferenced, and several references are to blogs or media news websites of dubious reliability. The spirituality section in particular was full of WP:OR, some of which I have removed (such as all the numerology rubbish). None of this should be restored without very strong WP:RS that relates the numerology, for example, directly to Simone Bittencourt de Oliveira and is not calculations made by the reader using a numerology website. There is a discussion about this page ongoing on the BLP Noticeboard. Any restoration of the material without very improved sourcing and discussion first will be reverted per the WP:BLP policy, and such reversions are exempt from the WP:3RR - while additions of contentious material to a BLP are not exempt. Further edit-warring will lead to blocks. Verbal chat 07:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Removal of tags while there is ongoing discussion here and at relevant noticeboards is disruptive and vandlism, as is repeatedly breaking the infobox. Verbal chat 11:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:BLP]] issues and [[WP:OR]] 

message: This site also clearly fails to meet WP:RS, and as this is a WP:BLP any text that relies on this source should be removed. (Note Flikr is not reliable also). Verbal chat 15:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greatdreams.com 

message: I don't see why this radio host's site qualifies as a reliable source for the sort of claims we're using it for. Verbal chat 15:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: geraldofreire.uol.com.br 

message: I imagine others have checked this, but for the record, this reference  is not a reliable source, its a page from a commercial product site.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and have removed the spirituality section as unrecoverable per WP:BLP. Verbal chat 16:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, i also agree, the sources provided werent adequate. I personally love when people in the public eye can espouse their values as they relate to their notability (free speech and freedom of religion, etc), but it needs to be sourced here impeccably, otherwise it can be seen as libelous if it associates a figure with an "offbeat" religion.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not reliable 

message: I just reverted the above users edits, following WP:RS, WP:MOS and WP:BLP. This user has just come off a four day block for edit warring and breaking the above policies and guidelines on this page. The user was warned they might be indef'd if they continue. I'm asking Jackiestud to discuss the changes she wants to make and the sources that support them on the talk page and then wait for a response from other editors. The BLP concerns and sourcing issues need to be addressed here first. Thanks, Verbal chat 18:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Jackiestud states that they are "changing all sources to her official site". This is not acceptable, as the site falls under WP:SELFPUB and is not a WP:RS for all claims in the article. Verbal chat 18:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{User|Jackiestud}} 

message: I have modified the first line to replace 31 with 30. Saying 'more than 31 albums' is silly: either you give the exact number or you round up!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.92.106.36 (talk) 19:53, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ... more than 31 albums