Talk:Brian d foy

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
*Oppose apologies, per my comment below --Lox (t,c) 16:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Voting

message: Shouldn't the dot after 'D.' go? Apparently, it's not short for anything but is his entire middle name. -- pne (talk) 15:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punctuation 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
# Support As mentioned above, brian d foy is simply how he is known.  Period.  He is only notable for things he has done under than rendering of his name.  To change the rendering of his name to one by which he is not in any way notable makes no sense; it defies the whole point of WP:Notability. Pudge 16:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Support As mentioned above, brian d foy is simply how he is known.  Period.  He is only notable for things he has done under than rendering of his name.  To change the rendering of his name to one by which he is not in any way notable makes no sense; it defies the whole point of WP:Notability. Pudge 16:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: #Oppose per WP:MOS, E. E. Cummings and the current gross miscapitalization of the KISS article. If we are going to be consistent with capitalization, then we need to be consistent across the board. 205.157.110.11 23:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: His category sorting is "Foy, brian d", yet if we are going to go with his style guide, shouldn't it be "d foy, brian"? — PhilHibbs | talk 11:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing in his style guide implies his last name is "d foy."  Yes, "d foy" is considered an atom that should be used together, but that does not imply that "d foy" is his last name. Pudge 00:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surname: "foy" or "d foy"? 

message: This issue was put to rest long ago.  For anyone to come back and try to revisit it is a waste of time.  Go away.  We've had votes, we've had admins, we've decided it.  It is "brian d foy."  Period.  Any assertion to the contrary is simply wrong.  And quoting the manual of style WHICH IN FACT backs up the existing lowercase style is incorrect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pudgenet (talk • contribs) 16:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides unkind accusations of "defacing" a biographical article doing little to advance your point, when your edits are reverted by two other editors in a matter of minutes, there is usually a pretty good indication that the consensus you speak of has since changed (so has our Manual of Style, see WP:MOSCL#Mixed or non-capitalization). – Cyrus XIII (talk) 17:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, but calling me a dick is civil?  Pot, kettle, yawn.  And no, the consensus has NOT changed, people just assumed it had been settled -- because, in fact, it had -- and therefore stopped caring.  And no, you keep asserting the MOS, but you are, in fact, incorrect.  IT DOES NOT back you up.  It says -- quoting here, since you either don't know what it says or you misunderstand the plain language contained in it -- "For proper names and trademarks that are given in mixed or non-capitalization by their owners (such as k.d. lang, adidas and others), follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules."  Exactly.  Where did you get the idea that standard English says that we should capitalize proper nouns that are not capitalized?  Such an idea is nonsensical.  I'd like you to show me a single place that defines "standard English text formatting and capitalization rules" that backs you up: you won't find a single source, so I won't hold my breath.  And no, linking to a Wikipedia page attempting to define standard English doesn't cont.  Pudge (talk) 17:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pudge, I've just blocked you for 24 hours for a three-revert rule violation. Please calm down. I'm sorry that it came to this, but you have to understand that you can't go against the guidelines just because you think they're wrong. If you do, get them changed first, by applying reasonable discussion in the right areas. This is not the place or way to fight a cause. — Hex (❝?!❞) 18:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Incidentally, "American [and British/Commonwealth] English conventionally capitalizes the first letter of each word in a name other than conjunctions, prepositions, and articles" - Columbia Guide to Standard American English, 1993 (to pick a random example). The stylistic principles of Wikipedia follow convention in this regard. — Hex (❝?!❞) 18:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Defacing

message: For all interested parties, there is a discussion going on right now at  the Manual of Style about whether or not to capitalize people's names against their wishes (like brian d foy, for example). -- Irn (talk) 16:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization discussion at the manual of style 

message: This page is now out of synch. Our articles on k.d. lang and bell hooks are at those locations, and there seems to have emerged a consensus that WP:MOSTM does not apply to personal names. Therefore, I think it's appropriate that this page move back to brian d foy. I find it kind of weird, but not as weird as styling those other two articles according to the subjects' preferences, but not doing so in this case. Mr. foy has no less right to his idiosyncrasy than Ms. lang or Ms. hooks. Regardless of anyone's "rights" (which this isn't really about anyway) we should be consistent in this matter, and sources consistently call him "brian d foy". -GTBacchus(talk) 23:45, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Lowercase may be his "personal style" for himself, but is this done in third-party sources not connected with him? Not that I've seen. Jonathunder (talk) 01:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, have you looked at any of the sources that we cite in the article? They all use the lowercase style. I have yet to see a source other than Wikipedia that capitalizes his name. Got any? -GTBacchus(talk) 04:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

text: "is this done in third-party sources not connected with him?" -- Yes. "Not that I've seen." -- Then you haven't looked, even though pointed to them. -- Jibal (talk) 23:24, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

text: I am not familiar enough with brian d foy and how his name is capitalized in third party sources to speak with any authority on that subject, but if he is indeed consistently (or even usually) called "brian d foy" in reliable third party sources, then I strongly agree that the page should be moved back to brian d foy per WP:MOSCAPS#Mixed_or_non-capitalization and to be consistent with k.d. lang, bell hooks, will.i.am et al. Ibanez100 (talk) 04:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm gonna give this a few days, and if sources aren't produced which capitalize his name, and if some other convincing argument isn't offered, then I'll move the article, per our policies. -GTBacchus(talk) 15:17, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

text: "if he is indeed consistently (or even usually) called "brian d foy" in reliable third party sources" -- he is. -- Jibal (talk) 23:24, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 2011 

message: So would you please leave the heading as something referable so that the link on the disambiguation page does not break.
If it breaks and turns into a red link, then the red link hunters will remove the PerlPowerTools entry there.
Or will somebody create a PerlPowerTools article on its own?
Or should the paragraph get moved to Tom Christiansen --johayek (talk) 13:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  the heading PerlPowerTools is being used in a disambiguation page 

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