Talk:Battle Royale (novel)/Archive 1

message: Shouldn't Battle Royale be under Battle Royale (movie)?  Why is it under (film) when most Hollywood movies are, well, under (movie)?  Shouldn't there be some consistent method used? -- Tlotoxl 03:53, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: It should, IMHO. Parentheses should only be used when there is significant ambiguity in the base term and other uses are used about as much. I'll move the page right away. — David Remahl 02:34, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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message: I'd call an NPOV here. He's got a good point about how the lighthouse scene doesn't translate well, but the way he states it makes it sound like it's a cultural fault that American viewers "don't get it." I'm not making an edit on it right now, because I'm not sure if I'm seeing things that aren't there. Opinions? Maybe we could add a section for it along the lines of "Reasons for non-acceptance in American markets" or "Errors in translation"? -Fuzzy 16:15, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New edits regarding effects 

message: What does CTHG-size mean?  — Gwalla | Talk 02:54, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: I noticed that a lot of really critical plot points are given away, it seems like a book like this, that relies so much on tension, should probably have a much shorter (if any) plot synopsis.
: Please sign your comments using 4 ~ symbols. There are plenty of plot synopses out there that are far more lengthy and detailed than this one. 23skidoo 19:55, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Knowing what the story involves as a whole by it self could be considered a bit of a spoiler itself - I was lucky enough to have been introduced to the movie with no prior knowledge of what it was about, and it had a lot more impact because of that, and now that I have the DVD I tend to lend it to people with the cover turned inside out so they can enjoy it in that manner as well. But that's quite a particular case, so perhaps a simple relocation of the spoiler warning would be enough. Loona 16:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree with Loona. I also saw this film having never heard of it (I watched it a film night with a friend, and it was his suggestion at first I thought it was a martial arts film based on the title!) which I loved - I didnt realise the importance of certain characters for example for a long time into it. But I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a synopsis - any is a spoiler of sorts, which is most unlike films generally, but then again, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and as such must have some sort of plot descriptor present. I don't read them for films I've yet to see, I generally just read the overview at the top of the article to find out what I need. As such I don't mind seeing every little detail of the plot described - I actually like to read that. So as long as the spoiler tag is present right at the top of the plot synopsis I see no reason not to keep it. addy 16:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers 

message: I'm admittedly unsure on this issue - Battle Royale, at least in the original book and manga versions, has quite a bit of character development, and as a whole even works as a metaphor for a competitive society, so developing on each of the more proeminent characters and certain scenes would make some sense to an extent. However, such development should cover at least a handful of character in the actual BR article before they'd move on to the actual pages pages of their own.
The problem with Kiriyama is that the movie version (in it for kicks, pretty much a sadist - an outsider who's death on legs, no other purpose beyond twisted "fun") is radically different from the other ones (practically a cold, calculating machine with an almost super-human ability for learning and improvising - doing what he's told with little to no question with maximum efficiency, and he was in the same class as all the others all of the time) - this makes a world of a difference in the more symbolic meaning the story can have, since while movie Kiriyama can be seen as a plot device, the original book version can be an extreme example of what distant employers may want from their employees, for example.
Suggestions for other character-based articles that could be included associated with the BR article, either in or outside it: Hiroki Sugimura, Mitsuko Souma, Shogo Kawada, Yuko Sakaki. Loona 16:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * I think that guideline was the one about characters that are referred to in other media - in that case a separate article was reccomended, as the character's supposed to be famous enough to be referred outside its own fictional world. Can anyone think of any such case regarding Kiriyama? Loona 09:45, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Possibly. Certainly he is iconic, although until the film gets a general American release (if that ever happens) he will remain a cult figure only, much like the other characters. However, I would certainly not oppose the creation of articles for the main 7 or so: Shuya, Noriko, Kawada and Kazuo as has been done, Mitsuko, and maybe Hiroki, Chigusa, Utsemi, and one page for the three teacher characters (film: Kitano, novel: Sakamochi, manga: Kamon).  The latter could certainly be of relevance. Yuko however does not deserve a seperate page. However, I do think this article needs a page for the rest of the characters - as for many TV shows etc (see The Simpsons for one example), perhaps a page each for the major characters, such as those I listed, and one other page for everyone else, with each character getting a section. addy 13:32, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with the Kazuo Kiriyama article

message: I'd like to add a trivia item that Chiaki Kuriyama was cast as Gogo in Kill Bill because of her appearance in BR. I'm pretty certain Tarantino has stated this (although Chiaki only appears briefly in the film). Does anyone else remember this comment? I'd like to provide a source before I add it. 23skidoo 06:56, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I found an even better tidbit and will add it as a trivia item. 23skidoo 19:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chiaki Kuriyama

message: Has anyone heard whether BR was influenced by The Prisoner? I did get a sense of the "who do you trust" paranoia that infuses the older series. The use of a prominent piece of music from the series for the first loudspeaker announcement made me wonder if that wasn't a nod to the TV series. I also felt the end with Noriko and Shuya also was reminiscent of the finale of The Prisoner. Any ideas? 23skidoo 01:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Prisoner reference

message: That list that was seleted from the page was the entire plot of the book. That is the simplified version of the events that unfold.207.159.182.47 02:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kill List