Talk:Roman à clef

message: Da Vinci's Inquest/Da Vinci's City Hall are widely-known to be based on former Vancouver coroner and then mayor Larry Campbell. Could a section on TV shows be added?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.183.70.15 (talk) 05:03, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably better added as a subsection in Film à clef.  Heavenlyblue (talk) 20:19, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: TV Shows?

message: While the list is interesting there is a clear English language bias. It might therefore be useful to include examples from other languages and cultures, not just to expand the list but also to note if there truly is an Anglo-American cultural oddity. The expression seems French; it might therefore be worthwhile to add something on the history of the expression.
I know there are examples in Norwegian literature (one case that relates to the internal world of publishers, a few years ago) but this is too small a country to be of general interest.
: Given the value of this technique in avoiding controversy, I expect that it has been used since the very origins of writing. Vectro 20:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please add what you have.    Heavenlyblue (talk) 19:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Language Bias 

message: The article summarises this series as a "sequence of twelve novels satirising English cultural and political life in the middle of the 20th century."  The series includes satire, but that's only one of its strands, and by no means the chief one.  I'm not sure how  one would do "Dance" justice in a one liner, but feel that this brave attempt falls short. Countersubject 13:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Dance to the Music of Time 

message: "In Search of Lost Time by Marcel Proust is perhaps the epitome of the roman a clef novel, winding through 3000 pages of Scott-Moncrieff's translation of the authentic French text, it lays down the complexities and subtleties of life for future 20th century authors to utilize at their discretion."
i am aware it is semi autobiographical, which i suppose makes it roman a clef, but what is all the rest of that? it sounds to me like an overzealous fan, but i'm not precisely sure what it's getting at so i don't want to snip it. --dan 04:17, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  proust 

message: I think Citizen Kane is a far more notable, more famous and just plain better example of roman à clef in cinema than The Great Dictator. Any detractors? --PopeFauveXXIII (talk) 17:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds right to me.    Heavenlyblue (talk) 20:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And so it is included in Film à clef. 99.120.130.167 (talk) 13:28, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizen Kane 

message: This novel is "a comment on the prohibition of alcohol sales"?  Really?  I know it's many things to many critics, but this seems an odd way to characterize the novel. 152.78.64.180 (talk) 16:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Great Gatsby 

message: I'm concerned that the criteria for the "Notable romans à clef" list are too broad. The list includes many titles that are simply "autobiography" or "historical fiction," not specifically roman à clef. I just added Orwell's "Animal Farm" to the list; in fact, I was surprised that it wasn't already there because it really is a perfect modern example. The roman à clef doesn't simply include real-life characters under pseudonyms or recount real events under fictional guise; it is most often a thinly veiled polemic or social critique of a contemporary situation. It is different from something like Hemingway's "The Sun Also Rises" or Kerouac's "On the Road," books which are informed by real people and events but function as autonomous works of fiction and transcend contemporaneity. These examples (as well as many others on the current list -- "The Bell Jar," "Buddenbrooks," etc.) don't belong in the same category as "Animal Farm," which has more to do with allegory and satire. I don't want to use my example as a new criterion of inclusion, but only as a reminder that the list ought to be precise. There are other places on Wiki for about 50% of these titles. Trrenaud (talk) 20:25, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman à clef versus autobiography and historical fiction 

message: In the last sentence , first paragraph:
:"This "key" may be produced separately by the author, or inferred through the use of epigraphs or other literary devices.[3]"
The one who is "using" epigraphs or other literary devices here can only be the author, therefor the key is being "implied", rather than "inferred" in this sentence.  I'll change it.    Heavenlyblue (talk) 20:08, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imply vs Infer 

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* Jean V de Bueil
* Carl Van Vechten
* Harlem Renaissance
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* William Woodward, Jr.
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99.120.130.167 (talk) 12:39, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added links 

message: Maximilianklein (talk) 23:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: WorldCat Genres