Talk:New Italian Socialist Party

message: Social democracy?! Is it a joke? --Baf09 (talk) 15:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: we could only reach consensus by having both 'social democracy' and 'centre-right politics' and/or 'liberalism' in the infobox. The party definitely pursued centre-right policies; however, as the article explains, one of the faction of NPSI indeed joined other social dem. goups to form a Socialist Party of Italy - likely a genuinely social democratic organization. Regards, --Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 16:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me add that the party did not pursue centre-right politics and, although the party joined the centre-right PdL in January 2009, it previously suffered the split of the party majority that was merged into the PS, a party that is now in alliance with left-wing parties such as the Greens and former Communists (see Left and Freedom). Moreover it is useful to remember that the alliance with the centre-right was not so awkward as someone might think outside Italy as most members of the late PSI had joined Berlusconi's Forza Italia in the 1990s. --Checco (talk) 13:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But note also that formal affiliation with a certain ideology may sometimes remain just something formal. I remember I once saw an article where Italian political parties of 1980s were positioned on a map with both left-right and libertarian-authoritarian axis. The Democratic Socialists were surely positioned (economically) to the right of Christian democrats, and perhaps PSI, too. After all, there's no 'once a red, always a red' thing in politics. The Jamaica Labour Party did indeed begin as a centre-left organization, but later developed into a decidedly right-wing organization. --Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 11:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that and I always urge users not to confuse the party ideology with its name. Anyway the NPSI was definitely a centre-left party, and the PSDI and the PSI were definitely on the left of DC as a whole. It is true anyway that a large group of DC members were left-wingers (DC was a non-ideological catch-all party cobbling togehter Catholics of any sort) and in fact, after the 1990s realignment, most of these people have joined the centre-left along with former Communists. --Checco (talk) 15:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socialdemocratic? (2) 

message: Is this party still an existing organisation, whether as a political party or PdL faction?--Autospark (talk) 18:02, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still extant? 

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message: The NPSI was an associate party of FI until 2015, then it decided to let its members choose to join a larger party, under "dual membership". Consequently, some members of the NPSI are members of FI (including Caldoro), others of the PS or other parties. Battilocchio's membership of FI and his successful bid to become a member of the Chamber of Deputies were his individual decisions and do not imply anything for the party. There was no official positionment of the NPSI in the 2018 general election. Thus, we cannot insert "Centre-right" in the electoral results' template. --Checco (talk) 06:20, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The NPSI however remains an organic party of the centre-right coalition, it allows the dual membership but the facto all its executives are members of the centre-right. Also if the candidacy of Battilocchio is only an individual decision (but the individual decisions for the candidacy in policy don't exist) it happened with the centre-right, and there were no candidacies of NPSI's members with other coalitions, therefore the edit was absolutely correct. --Wololoo (talk) 22:11, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Why doesn't your "meticulousness" apply here? The NPSI is NOT an "organic party of the centre-right coalition", despite most of its members are close to the centre-right. The fact that Battilocchio is also a member of FI and that his candidacy for the Chamber of Deputies were not decided or approved by the NPSI: these are individual decisions, like those of non-party indepedents who decide to run for a party in an election. There was no formal pact or alliance between the NPSI and FI, let alone the centre-right, and Caldoro has not led the party in the election. --Checco (talk) 06:21, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: One question: how do you know that there was no formal pact or alliance between the NPSI and FI (or centre-right)? --Wololoo (talk) 22:39, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It would contrary to the political line taken in 2015. Could you bring evidence of the opposite? --Checco (talk) 06:16, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The political line of 2015 simply allows the dual membership, and then? The nation executives of the NPSI are affiliated to the centre-right, also Battilocchio is a national coordinator of the party. I see only one evidence: there was only a candidate of NPSI (a national coordinator) elected with the centre-right, and this was the information I had correctly indicated in the table. But you must always have the last word...--Wololoo (talk) 13:20, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Battilocchio was not a candidate because of his affiliation with the NPSI, but because of his affiliation with FI. Dual membership means dual membership. The NPSI is practically neutral, its members are not. --Checco (talk) 06:31, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The NPSI remains a centre-right party, regardless of the possibility of dual membership for its members. However it isn't a great problem, the table can also remain in this version--Wololoo (talk) 20:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  No official alliance with the centre-right