Talk:Khmer Rouge rule of Cambodia

message: I protected the last stable version of the page. We're seeing edit wars without a two-way attempt to discuss content changes in the talk pages on this and two other Cambodia-related articles (Cambodia and History of Cambodia. 172 06:56, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You're clearly not neutral in any conflict involving me.  Hanpuk has simply reverted back to his version which had already been rejected by several users for reasons explained at considerable length by countless people. -- VV 08:25, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? The page histories say otherwise with respect to the Cambodia-related articles. Ironically, **Hanpuk** would be able to make the argument that I am biased against him in any conflict involving him. In the past Cambodia-related edit wars, I was usually (if not always—if my memory's correct) protecting the most recent stable versions, which tended to be the versions posted before Hanpuk had edited the pages, and thus the versions that you had been restoring over and over again. Lately, I haven't been seeing other admins bothering to go to such lengths to avoid charges of protecting "the wrong version." So, this time I'll protect the page on the version not posted by the first person who has broken the three revert rule. This is an objective formula for determining whose version gets protected, so I fail to see how I could possibly be charged with failing to act impartially. 172 08:38, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Because you have a well-known vendetta against me.  There are 200 other admins who could get involved if that were needed, but you seem determined to do so yourself. -- VV 08:42, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: And because of my vendetta against you, I was protecting pages on your preferred versions. That's not going to make sense to anyone else but you.  172 08:48, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: It's a good thing having the local characters, but I can't read them! (Mozilla Firefox on Windows and on FreeBSD with quite a lot of fonts added.) What font or character set would they need?  - David Gerard 11:08, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
I also can't read these with IE 7.0.  This bothers me on a lot of pages.Eebster the Great (talk) 03:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In pages with Indic and Ge'ez script, there is a small template with link to structions for settings and font download to read their fonts. Perhaps a similar one should be created for pages with Khmer unicode text. --Soman (talk) 05:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Names in Unicode characters

message: This article is plagiarized from another source[http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/khtoc.html.  Furthermore is just one long anti-Khmer Rouge rant - one of the first sentences is "The troops who entered the capital on April 17 were mostly grim-faced youths clad in black with the checkered scarves that had become the uniform of the movement." - beyond trying to evoke POV by saying all the soldiers were grimacing all day as they came in it isn't even correct, the youths who entered the city on April 17th were students who were not in the Khmer Rouge.  So it is POV writing around a factual error, plagiarized and put here without permission. Ruy Lopez 02:48, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  plagiarization 

message: Who keeps messing this up bad? The Frederick 11:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverting to previous version

message: I think there should be a link to Cambodian coup of 1970 somewhere. Anyone agree? Cigale 06:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New link 

message: Should we not have one for pre-1970 Cambodia, one for the Khmer Republic, one for Democratic Kampuchea etc., so that people can see the difference in flags etc. etc.  Cripipper 11:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infoboxes

message: Section 1 of the Cambodia under Pol Pot page is really ugly the way it is now. Protection or not, it needs to be cleaned up -- it looks amateurish right now. Misterdoe 16:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do something with Section 1! 

message: Wikipedia still needs an article on the DK regime - simply because it is a phrase in use that people need to look up in an encyclopedia. The series on cambodia during different periods is excellent and valuable too. Paxse 15:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resolve this and Move Forward 

message: This article is really very close to B class, a lot of good information. All it needs is for the facts to be referenced and a few more images put in. There are plenty of images available in various sub articles on the KR. Cheers, Paxse 05:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Assessment

message: There are three different titles of this regime in three places, one being "Cambodia under Pol Pot (1975-1979)", the title of the page, another being Democratic Kampuchea, located in the infobox, and Communist Cambodia, which are the first words and bolded.  Is there any way that this can be made more consistent? --67.149.66.30 00:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of consistency 

message: I know next to nothing on this subject so can't judge if the information is good or not. What I can tell is that whole chunks of it are simple cut and pastes from the 'Cambodia Country Study' linked to at the bottom.  Which it turns out is a report produced by the US Army department. Again, I know very little, but given the US army is hardly an uninvolved bystander my inclination would be not to give this source 100% trust. Maybe someone who knows this subject should take a closer look.Candelabra 16:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  cut and paste job from US military? 

message: Please see Talk:Khmer Rouge. --Soman 12:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Democratic Kampuchea (see talk) is a stub that doesn't say anything that isn't already here. It has already been tagged for merge three times before, with  consistently removing the tag; however, Paxse seems to be alone in objecting to the merge. If no one else objects, I'm going to redirect it here. - ∅ (∅), 16:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Democratic Kampuchea continued to exist after 1979, and remained the recognized cambodian government for many western states. Thus it should not be merged with the history chapter of 1975-1979. --Soman 15:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: You've convinced me. :-) - ∅ (∅), 22:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aawwwww man, you took all my fun away. And I was looking forward to an argument too! :) Paxse 14:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Great research Soman, which Keirnan book was it? (I know, I know, I still owe you those banner translations). Paxse 14:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 'How Pol Pot Came to Power'. I'll try to look for the page number for proper reference. --Soman 18:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: This and Democratic Kampuchea should be merged, but Khmer Rouge should have it's own article. --PDTantisocial (talk) 21:16, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another merge proposal 

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message: Could the US role and involvement, with the Khmer Rouge, be mentioned adequately?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.9.231 (talk) 23:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  US role

message: Needs it's own article. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 19:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Maybe this article should just be renamed, and recentered on the events of the Cambodian Genocide?  The other concern that this entry is tagged with, about a merging of this with Khmer Rouge, could be addressed by sending some text from here over there, and focusing this on the genocide. DBaba (talk) 21:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

text: It may need it's own article - though whether it was genocide or not is hotly disputed (perhaps autocide?) and very POV in any case. However, we can create another article without having that ugly tag at the top of this article for another six months. It's gone. Paxse (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cambodian Genocide]] 

message: May I suggest move this page back to Cambodia under Pol Pot, because the name Khmer Rouge period (1975–1979) is confuse with the article Khmer Rouge. 69.234.183.155 (talk) 04:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggest

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message: I feel that this article makes very little reference to and does little to explain the actual genocide and torture that occurred in enormous waves throughout the country, at places like Tuol Sleng and the Killing Fields. This is extremely disconcerting and needs to be fixed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.21.45 (talk) 08:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Not enough about the actual genocide

message: "They killed almost everyone with an education, or even people wearing glasses" -- Exceptional claim without a source. If there are multiple, reliable, verifiable sources available that indicate that someone has made this claim, then we can say, "So-n-so said that they killed almost...". Otherwise that statement needs to go. Sparkie82 (t•c)  21:42, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: Much of this article is taken word-for-word from the public domain Cambodia country study of the U.S. Library of Congress. Attribution is still required per WP:PD. The edit that introduced it into the article 11 years ago acknowledges the source, but attribution on the talk page is better. Attribution in the article would be even better. Lagrange613 02:01, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public domain text 

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message: I modified the Death toll section and removed a significant number of inaccurate, outdated or redundant data. I added more precise figures from Kiernan, who is a leading expert in this genocide. He is from Yale, so there is no need in a separate reference to the Yale genocide center. A mention of the wide range of estimates is redundant and misleading in a situation when much more precise data are available. Rummel is also not needed, because he just summarizes what all sources say (he does not do his own research).
I regrouped the text to make it logically correct: killing fields and mass graved go first, demographic estimate of the KR period go after that (which include direct killing and other causes), and the death that happened after 1979 go after that.
Please, keep in mind that KR genocide is a rare case when large estimates were coming from communist propaganda: since KR were Vietnam's enemies, the Vientamese (and Soviets) tried to exaggerate the scale of this genocide.--Paul Siebert (talk) 19:47, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Death toll