Talk:Outline of transgender topics

message: * Removed debates about Trans* and Drag and A place to talk about these matter to /Archive 1 on 1.May 2004, since those debates seem to be finished for the moment. Feel free to put them back here if you disagree. -- AlexR 10:25, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Please put only short notices here about what needs to be done. If there is something that should be discussed, make an new heading for the debate below the other debates. Thanks!
* Gender reassignment therapy articles; many of those are quite stubby. 
* The Legal aspects probably could be expanded, too. Which reminds me to put in Germany myself. Nevertheless, there must be a few people knowing about other countries, too. -- AlexR 13:01, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Do List 

message: * Cross-dresser The inclusion of Joan of Arc is hotly debated right. More input would not hurt. -- AlexR 02:29, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles with ongoing debates

message: * Somebody please have a look at Hijra. The discussion is getting somewhat surreal; it is partly dealing with transgender prostitution now. -- AlexR 17:19, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Done

message: While transsexuality may not occur "naturally" in the animal kingdom (or who knows, maybe it does?), simple sex-change operations have been used by veterinarians to help cats with urinary tract problems. Is this something that should be noted in the article?
:I have never heard of this, But transsexuality does occur "naturally" in the animal kingdom (see [CNN article] about species that change sex and the rule of thumb about when the change occures). Also, human polutants have caused secondary sexual charactoristics changes in animals (See [National Geographic Article]).
:Though animal species change sexes, It is apparently for the purpose of reproduction. This is oposed to human transgenser which is with respect to social roles of each gender. 
:69.171.150.47 01:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't think transgender people would change their reproductive organs and role if possible? It's not as opposed as you are assuming, it's just a matter of physcial capability Mya Lysippe (talk) 08:48, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-human issues 

message: Should we change the title of this link? because this is rather misleading "Transsexual Film Stars" Redirects to "List of transsexual porn stars". There most be more than just porn star TS film stars.--Sweety Rose 01:53, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about "Transsexual Film Stars" link 

message: * See German discussion for more details::de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/8. Oktober 2006#Liste der Transgender-Themen:de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/8. Oktober 2006#Liste der Transgender-Themen (aus Artikelnamensraum gelöscht)	
-- ParaDox 13:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The delete-result of the German “articles for deletion“ discussion was, that supposedly no topic-lists whatsoever are to remain in the article-namespace. The List can now be found in my user-namespace: :de:Benutzer:ParaDox/Liste der Transgender-Themen. -- ParaDox 01:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The List became a template on 5 Nov 2006: »:de:Vorlage:Transgender-Themen«. -- ParaDox 16:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FYI: Will the German list be deleted? 

message: The part of the article I take objection to is the category "gender-variant people or behaviour". I just love seeing the terms "Amazon", "Butch and femme" and "Tomboy" lumped in with "Eunuch" and "Skoptzy". It also says, "Many other terms describe gender-variant people or behaviour, without the people being described necessarily being transgender." If it's not transgender, it doesn't belong in this section. On the other hand, "Sissy" and "Shemale" are proudly listed under "People and behavior". I guess this would imply that butches, femmes and tomboys aren't people, perhaps because they are women?
This is what I propose. Remove the description of "gender-variant", and add the link to the "People and Behavior" section. Also, add "Butch and femme" and "Tomboy" as separate designations not under the subtopic of "gender-variant" under "People and Behavior", since this is a purely subjective subdivision not in common usage. In addition, add "bear (gay culture)" and "effeminate" under "People and Behavior". Move "Amazon", "Eunuch" and "Skoptzy" to a separate "Historical Usage" category.
Cheddarisbetter (talk) 08:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The "gender-variant people or behaviour" section should be merged with the "People and Behaviour" section, but we should keep the note that these people aren't necessarily trans.  The reason they're in the article is that they're trans-related.  I believe that, and not any sexist reason, is why these terms were separated from the ones in the top section. --Alynna (talk) 11:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sexual bias in article

message: Could Between the Lines (http://betweenthelines.sosdg.org/) take part in the comics section. It deals very well with transsexualism...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.224.163.123 (talk) 00:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comics 

message: Simulated pregnancy - male crossdressing or roleplaying of a fake pregnancy.[citation needed] is an example of transvestive-like or transgendered behavioral personality. The male may pretend to be a pregnant woman or desires to go through a feminine experience of pregnancy and birth simulation. 71.102.26.168 (talk) 08:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Addition to the article

message: I have grouped all the nation specific articles that are related to either transgender rights and or history in a new section called Transgender rights and history by nation. Feel free to rename this section if you have a more appropriate title as well as expand and reorganize for readability and flow. --Devin Murphy (talk) 17:09, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Transgender rights and history by nation

message: I have grouped all the articles on transgender people and religion in a new section called Transgender people and religion. Feel free to expand this section with any other articles you feel would be relevant. --Devin Murphy (talk) 21:04, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Transgender people and religion

message: I removed this link from the list of comics as it is not a link to a Wikipedia article but rather a link to the comics web site.
 
"* Between The Lines"
I also removed the WebComics section for the same reason as the link in the comics section.
 
"* Assigned Male
* ChaosLife{{Cite web|url=http://chaoslife.findchaos.com/|title=ChaosLife -|website=chaoslife.findchaos.com|access-date=2016-04-25}
* Khaos Komix
* Manic Pixie Nightmare Girls<ref>
* O Human Star
* Rain LGBT
* Rooster Tails
* Seeing Him
* Trans Girl Next Door
* Validation<ref>
* Venus Envy
* What's Normal Anyways?"
This is meant to be a list of transgender related Wikipedia articles not a link directory. But if any of my fellow Wikipedians feels any of them would make a good article or make for part of a good article about say transgender comics or webcomics, then and only then should this info be added back. --Devin Murphy (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the number of trans-focused comics listed here and at the List of LGBT-related webcomics page, I wonder if it makes sense to make a separate List of transgender-related webcomics page. Funcrunch (talk) 04:47, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say Funcrunch go for it. --Devin Murphy (talk) 11:19, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaned up the comics section

message: For some reason User:Nived_90 removed Intersex from under "basic terms", which covers basic ground including areas not about being transgender such as sexual orientation, and then inserted intersex under "Gender-variant people or behaviour", here This is controversial. The information on the intersex page should make it clear that intersex people are born with sex characteristics that differ from expectations for male or female bodies (paraphrasing the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights), but this does not make intersex people gender variant. An explanation, and verifiable sources, would be appropriate before making such a substantive change. Trankuility (talk) 03:50, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone has one of the varying intersex conditions they may or may not identify as transgender. They would full under the definition of transgender if they did not identify with the gender they got assigned at birth. But there are intersex individuals that regardless of whether or not they identify with or do not identify with the gender they got assigned at birth do not identify as transgender. This was what I was trying to clarify with my edit. But if you have an alternative suggestion on how to indicate this I am open to discussing it. I also do not think relying on folks to click on the link to intersex to find out this is the way to go. I also think it is problematic to list things like "sexual orientation" under basic terms as they are not transgender related, but rather terms that get grouped with and even sometimes confused with transgender and its related terminology. I only moved intersex as I felt it would be the least controversial and I felt the easiest to find a more appropriate spot in in the article for. I feel we would be wise to be clearer in this list about what actually has to do with the term transgender, being transgender and the expanses that often go along with being transgender as apposed to things that can sometimes be associated with being transgender (like intersex) as well as the things often lumped together (like gay). And I think this article is not yet clear enough in these regards. --Devin Murphy (talk) 11:16, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intersex link on this page 

message: Removed 'Blanchards Transsexual typology from causes section. This psuedoscience is widely debunked and is akin to saying that homosexuality is caused by the perversion of mens souls or calling homosexuals merely fetishistic perverts going through a phase as an actual cause and denying their right to acknowledged existence(as some 'doctors' might try to tell you). 
As such it is inappropriate for  the cause section and would be more appropriate in a 'controversy' section. If it is allowed to stay in the causes section, then I am sure I can find some debunked doctors to fit something in the cause section of homosexuality or the maybe some phrenology would be appropriate in the section of the differences between white and black people. I suggest labeling these things appropriately as the fringe controversy   they are, usually supported by fanatics. Mya Lysippe (talk) 08:24, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed debunked 'cause' 

message: This was formerly entitled as a List, but structured as an outline, because of its grouping by topic area rather than alphabetically or chronologically, and by its hierarchical nature, exactly as described at WP:OUTLINE. I've renamed it as an Outline, and consolidated some of the sections in what I thought was a better hierarchy; it's still problematic, and more changes could improve it further.
The lead seemed awkward before, and still is. It attempts to say something about the flux in transgender terminology, but doesn't say much (and doesn't link to Transgender terminology, where there's plenty of information about it). Maybe the outline would be better off dumping most of the lead, with just a sentence or two left, as found at Outline of LGBT topics. Mathglot (talk) 08:46, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  List to outline, and what about the Lead 

message: Hey, sorry if this is a dumb question, but why is Body Integrity Identity Disorder included on this page? It is a separate disorder from gender dysphoria and isn't inherently related to any other transgender issues. Anomalocarididae (talk) 22:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  BIID?