Talk:Svetlana Khorkina

message: This article really needs a serious cleaning to meet Wikipedia standards.  While there is a lot of factual information, it has been written with the voice of a fan site.
: I've attempted to remove as much of the POV and provide a more balanced view, but I am not really an expert on the subject. There were strange omissions (her 8th place finish in 2004 on the bars and just about any other time she didn't medal was left out. I think that needs correction (maybe a table with her major competitive history would be appropriate). Also, cites are needed especially for those things that are attribited to her. --MaKaM 23:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A lot of POV in this 

message: Quote: "Khorkina became the second female gymnast in history (after Ludmilla Tourischeva) to medal in her third Olympic games."
According to the IOC database, four women had done this before Tourischeva:
1) Eva Vechtova-Bosakova (TCH) -- team bronze 1952, BB silver 1956, BB gold and team silver 1960.
2) Polina Astakhova (URS) -- team gold and portable apparatus team bronze 1956, UB and team golds plus FX silver and AA bronze 1960, and the same in 1964 as in 1960.
3) Larisa Latynina (URS) -- lots and lots in 1956-1960-1964, of course.
4) Vera Caslavska (TCH) -- team bronze 1960, then four medals in 1964 and six in 1968.
Is there a reason not to count these four?
OMHalck 02:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. One can't discount the achievements of these gymnasts simply because they happened a long time ago. They were still under the FIG and women's artistic gymnastics and count as a matter of historical record. Not to mention that Tourischeva's first two Olympics happened before 1973, and those are recognized in the article. DanielEng (talk) 06:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gold in Three Olympic Games 

message: Noticed in the article's 2nd paragraph the statement:She has an unprecedented 6 moves named after her in the Artistic Gymnastics Code of Points, more than any other gymnast. and in the Major Achievements | Original Skills section, it states and lists 8 skills: Sventlana has an unprecendented 8 skills in the Code of Points, at least one on each apparatus.Are these refering to the same thing? If so, I presume 8 is correct since 8 are listed?
Keramos 17:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Code of Points - 6 or 8? 

message: Some of the claims made in this articles need to be verified because they seem to contradict what history has written. First the claim, "Khorkina has received some criticism however for her lack of difficulty on floor, vault and beam and for poor form." While the poor form can be understood by looking at her late career executions of her Khorkina II vault, this is not enough make that judgement. Remember that she consistently medalled at the Worlds in events other that UB and AA. And to win AA you can't only be exceptionally good on one apparatus.
Secondly, the claim that she was anorexic is quite questionable. I would believe it to be almost impossible to compete at the level of elite gymnast (still winning) and be visibly emaciated from anorexia. I believe that it was more likely that she and her coach decided she lose some weight to lessen the stress on her body (injuries perhaps--this is done in other sports) or to gain more air time for her skills. She never was a powerful vaulter or tumbler like Amanar or Dos Santos, so less weight with the some amount of muscular strength may have enabled her to remain competitive in her later years.
----Oh, but Svetlana was visibly emaciated from something at the Olympic Games in Atlanta, and yes, her skills did seem impeded at these games which seems to suggest she was as unhealthy and weak as she looked.  The idea that an already thin person should lose weight to reduce stress on their body is unsound, especially considering that her weakness caused her several falls from the bars where she could have been severly injured, or killed.  Gymnastics is a sport that has been plagued with anorexia, and when one of it's tops stars looks as deathly thin as Svetlana did in Atlanta, people will talk.  There are currently no rules forbiding a gymnast to compete in the Olympic games if she is anorexic, and many people feel that that should change.
::Agreed- unfortunately the sport has had many, many people who have competed while working through various stages of eating disorders. Kathy Johnson, Cathy Rigby, Christy Henrich, Erica Stokes, et al are some of the more visible examples but there are others too.  
::Having said that, I will also say that I've never seen or read any concrete proof or verification that Khorkina was anorexic. She did look very different at the 2004 Olympics than she did at the 1996 or 2000 Games, and as I recall, there were comments made about her gaunt appearance in the press (Bela Karolyi made at least one remark about it). However, that was all speculation and conjecture. Neither Khorkina nor her coaches or teammates ever verified this, nor was there any third party proof of an eating disorder. We can suspect it, and we might believe it happened but unless it can be actually properly sourced it can't be included. If Khorkina ever steps forward herself and says anything about it in the press there will be a source, but until then it's original research, it's impossible to cite as per Wiki policies, and there'd be problems leaving it in the article. DanielEng 06:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims without citations 

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message: Svetlana is not the most successful gymnast in the world and this article needs to be careful with it's bias. The quote reads that she is "often" (key word) regarded as the most successful. First of all, the word often means you need to show more than 1 source to make that claim. Secondly, the source that is sited (source 1) is a web page that has a banner stating the website is going away. Thirdly, this source is in no ways a sports expert of any kind. It's just another wiki type page which can also be written from a bias, rather than any artistic or medal count.  The standards of Sveta being the best in the world or even as being often regarded are not met. Is there some reason why this statement can not be removed and her fan club be happy that she is remembered?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:B05A:C82A:9857:1B2F:4CFF:1830 (talk) 01:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most successful gymnast dubious source