Talk:Aramaic alphabet

message: Someone wrote this, "Aramaic is also considered to be the most likely source of the Brahmi script, ancestor of the Brahmi family of scripts, which includes Devanagari". But how can it be true? Brahmi script is found in Indus valley. Fully mature Indus valley civilization (Harappa, Mohenjo daro) is 3500 BC old . Aramaic script is only 800 BC old. So definitely Brahmi script is older than Aramaic and probably source of Aramaic script.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.248.152.55 (talk) 08:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That a script is found in a region where an ancient civilization happens to have existed does not automatically mean it originates from that civilization. For comparison: the fact that the Arabic script is used in Egypt doesn't mean that it goes back the ancient Pharaos. As for the Brahmi script, the minority hypothesis of a connection to the Indus script faces many challenges: see Brahmi_script#Indigenous_origin_hypothesis. Drabkikker (talk) 21:45, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

text: Additionally, there are no accepted archaeological reports of Brahmi script in IVC contexts (don't confuse "Indus valley" with "Indus Valley Civilization contexts"). The earliest dateable examples of Brahmi are 4th or 5th century BCE and they were nowhere near the Indus valley. Tarchon (talk) 00:00, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brahmi script is older than Aramaic 

message: Why is there more Syriac script than Aramaic script in this article? Syriac script is based on Aramaic script BUT this article is about the Aramaic script. Why is the first picture of this article a picture of the Syriac alphabet? Shouldn't the first picture be a picture of one of the first forms of the Aramaic alphabet? Maybe, for example, Imperial Aramaic? ܐܵܬܘܿܪܵܝܵܐ 19:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syriac scripts? 

message: Where happened with all the letter images? 
User:Vassili_Nikolaev 03-nov-2003
Sorry, it's my IE5.5 somehow does not show png pictures anymore. It works fine in Netscape.
User:Vassili_Nikolaev 03-nov-2003
You knowledgable folks may want to vet changes made by User 134.76.165.76 Wetman 16:45, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Letters

message: I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to spell my daughters name in aramaic.  Her name is ZOE.
Blue Skies
Frank
:Hmmm, Zayin-Waw-Yodh, maybe? =S Also, check out Hebrew language and Arabic language.
::To start with, the name is Greek: Ζωη, life. In transliteration, it could be זו(א)י (zô'ê). In Aramaic, most names are in the emphatic state, so it would translate as חיתא (ħayθâ), or in Syriac ܚܝܬܐ. However, the obvious choice would be the biblical חוה (ħawwâ, or Eve. Gareth Hughes 16:22, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  spelling 

message: Aramaic alphabet isn't part of Unicode??
It split into several forms, including Hebrew, Syriac, and Mandaic. No one seems to have wanted to encode the original, since it can be treated as a font variation of one of the descendants. - Mustafaa 12:29, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an old (1999) draft for separately encoding Aramaic and there is still a block reserved in the roadmap to the SMP  but AFAIK no one is pushing this in the moment. --Pjacobi 13:22, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unicode 

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message: For consistency with Aramaic language this article uses BCE era convention instead of BC in two places. This article is wholly consistent in itself in this usage, but it is not consistent with Template:Alphabets (see my remark here). As that template is being reviewed at the moment, it seems inappropriate to make the article consistent with it. The article in BCE is consistent with Manual of Style and is appropriate to the content. I do not feel that there is sufficient merit to change it. --Gareth Hughes 20:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Era and consistency 

message: What is the source for the letter-names we use here? -- Evertype·✆ 12:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, they aren't sourced. I know that both Gareth and I can simply rattle them off from memory (much like someone would do their ABC's, and how do you source that? :-) ), but it would be a good idea to get a source to back them with. Let me fiddle with things. אמר Steve Caruso 15:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are a sample of Imperial Aramaic names, some of which, unfortunately, are reconstructed. I shall try to recover the source that they can be referenced correctly. I think the names have been changed a little over time by editors, usually to adapt them to Classical/Modern Hebrew spelling. It looks like these have been mostly reverted. Rosenthal, the source of the letter shapes, uses the Masoretic spelling of the letter names; this is not surprising as he is dealing with Masoretic texts. I think the information given in the article is rather slim, so the best answer may be to expand on the history of Aramaic script to demonstrate the diversity of language. — Gareth Hughes 16:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am working on encoding Imperial Aramaic in the UCS and I guess I will have to follow Rosenthal and Driver, who agree at least. -- Evertype·✆ 08:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Letter names 

message: If the "Aramaic alphabet ... developed out of the Phoenician alphabet", any later alphabet that can be traced back to the Aramaic one, can be traced further back to the Phoenician. It is therefore not "the Aramaic alphabet [that] is historically significant since virtually all modern Indian and Middle Eastern writing systems use a script that can be traced back to it", it is the Phoenician. -- Futhark|Talk 17:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, simply replacing 'Aramaic' with 'Phoenician' at the beginning of the second paragraph does not make any sense. Either we have to preface it with the information linking the two scripts, or move the entire paragraph to a point after Phoenician is mentioned. — Gareth Hughes 17:23, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was being as minimally editorially invasive as I could manage, not knowing if there was anyone who had a strong sense of overriding responsibility for the article. I felt that increasing the historiographic precision on that one point made enough sense to be worth the effort without redisposing the article, and look forward to seeing where it will be taken. -- Futhark|Talk 17:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have wanted to rewrite this article for a long time, but it's a difficult task. The main problem is that there isn't really any one Aramaic alphabet, but many related forms: this article tends to concentrate on Imperial Aramaic script. Phoenician is clearly the source of Aramaic script, which, in turn, is the source of Hebrew square script. However, the amount of borrowing from South Arabian scripts for Arabic is unclear, and Aramaic's influence of the Brahmi family of scripts is tough. Syriac, Mandaean, Pahlavi, Uyghur and Mongolian, though, are clearly derived from Aramaic scripts. — Gareth Hughes 21:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phoenician source 

message: * Parent systems 	
:Proto-Canaanite alphabet
:→ Phoenician alphabet
:→ 
 appears!
:--Mahmudmasri (talk) 11:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  First table has something wrong 

message: I believe that this script should be classified as "High" importance, rather than "Top". While it is an important middle-ground between Phoenecian and many modern scripts, I do not believe it is so central to an understanding of the subject of writing systems as a whole as Phonecian, Arabic, Greek, Brahmi, etc. Vanisaac (talk) 07:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Writing Systems importance reassessment 

message: I assume Aramaic was usually written right-to-left, like Phoenician and Hebrew? If so, this should be stated in the article. AxelBoldt (talk) 12:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Right-to-left? 

message: What happened to the "Aramaic script" column? It is now renamed to "Hebrew script". Now there are two different columns saying Hebrew.  I am no expert but my guess is that this edit was a misstake? Not sure though, therefore I'm asking here first. Shmayo (talk) 16:43, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This script is called Aramaic even in the Hebrew alphabet article. Shmayo (talk) 16:46, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aramaic script 

message: hello, i am not able to display some of the characters on this page. you can see an example here : http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd496/frabjousday123/Untitled-1_3.jpg
this happens with both firefox and with chrome, so i don't think it is a browser issue. i have already checked the browser configuration and the possibility to download missing fonts automatically is enabled. does anyone have an idea how i can see these missing characters ?
76.168.103.217 (talk) 17:01, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The Imperial Aramaic and Phoenician text displays OK on my Windows 11 system using the Segoe UI History font (seguihis.ttf). That font comes with Windows 11 (and I've read Windows 10 but can't verify that).  You might find seguihis.ttf elsewhere too if you search for it. I doubt Chrome can "automatically" download it. DRMcCreedy (talk) 23:11, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing fonts 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Isn't the name of the article incorrect? The Aramaic writing system is an abjad and not an alphabet, right? Fantumphool (talk) 08:07, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aramaic writing system is not an alphabet right? 

message: Where does your association between Brahmi and North Semitic scripts come from?
Because in the Brahmi script article at:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmi_script
the Aramaic semkath is 𑀱, Sādhē is 𑀘 and Shin is 𑀰, citing Bühler 1898, p. 82-83 https://archive.org/details/onoriginofindian00bhuoft and Salomon 1998, p. 25https://books.google.at/books?id=XYrG07qQDxkC&redir_esc=y as source.
Princ3jah (talk) 09:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source For Equivalent Letters In Brahmi 

message: Why /alap/ and not /alaf/, when final /t/ and /d/ are 'th' and 'dh' in Dālath and Yodh? Andreas Schuele in "Introduction to Biblical Aramaic" (2012: 10) states that the spirantisation after vowels applied to all of begadkefat, just as in Masoretic Hebrew.--79.100.149.219 (talk) 22:17, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, fixed that, since I saw that this had been introduced by OR in 2014.--79.100.149.219 (talk) 22:25, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for non-spirantisation of /p/ in letter names? 

message: I see that the letter names given originally were basically the standard Masoretic Hebrew versions of the names, which are often used conventionally to refer to the genetically corresponding letters in abjads. The current forms appear to be the product of interplay between the modifications introduced by two users in 2006, here and here, and their edit summaries suggest that they didn't take the supposedly Aramaic forms of names from any source, but arrived at them through their own original research, whose accuracy I see no reason to be confident in. I think the names ought to be sourced properly or replaced with something sourced.--79.100.149.219 (talk) 22:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for the letter names in general? 

message: Six years ago a User has posted this message:
::hello, i am not able to display some of the characters on this page. you can see an example here : http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd496/frabjousday123/Untitled-1_3.jpg
::this happens with both firefox and with chrome, so i don't think it is a browser issue. i have already checked the browser configuration and the possibility to download missing fonts automatically is enabled. does anyone have an idea how i can see these missing characters ?
Since then, seemingly nothing has happened. This issue remains unsolved. And my question is ‐ why?--2003:CF:3F07:9F7E:AC10:AE30:96C9:7999 (talk) 21:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing fonts (Repeat) 

message: Change title to Aramaic script it isnt an alphabet AleksiB 1945 (talk) 10:28, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aramaic script 

message: Can you add image to the top to show the script? 102.44.243.243 (talk) 12:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  No illustrative image