Talk:Pazhassi Raja

message: Editors have expertise in the area of Kerala History to be consulted for reversing edits affected after september 15th --117.206.9.113 (talk) 15:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  attention required 

message: recent editors confused after seeing the film "pazhassiraja" got confussion on historical facts and vandalised this pages. required an urgent review.
--SdRm 16:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  attention required 

message: This article is having serious defects. For one thing, the Kottayam connected to the so-mentioned Pazhassi Raja has nothing to do with the Kottayam of South Kerala. This is a common mistake borne by most people of Kerala, and by the students of schools in Kerala.
 
Actually the Kottayam connected to this person is a minute village near to Tellicherry (Thalashery). As to his being a great king and his popularity connected to a freedom struggle that he is supposed to have conducted against the British is mainly connected, I think (but not sure) to a Black & White film of the yesteryears, acted (I think) by Prem Nazir. The film producers were naturally seeking stories, and naturally they must have come across this theme. {Like the Vadakkan Pattukal stories got statewide fame through the films). 
As to his being a king and all such thing is really doubtful, and if any serious interest in there in this regard, his current descendants and family members need to be traced. I think most probably he would only one of the feudal landlords, who in those days did don such titles as thamburan, raja, adhikari etc. 
Again, the usage of such terms as commanders etc. can give a false understanding, for I think in those times, the places mentioned in connection to him were mostly sparsely populated areas. Then again the mention of his killing British soldiers is also doubtful; I think it was native (of Malabar) police constables that he killed. I am not sure about this, but then I remember reading thus many years ago in a Malayalam weekly. 
And as to his revolting against the British, could have more to the introduction of the police machinery, so that traders were not looted, teased and tormented by the henchmen of various janmis (in the guise of extracting tax ‘karam’) as their wares moved on bullock carts and horse carts to the trading centers and markets.
As a person having some information on British colonial history, I feel that that the incident mentioned is not a great event, and could possibly be just a police action against a truculent land lord. 
As a person knowing the places mentioned, including Panamaram, in a cursory manner, I do not think that in those times, he was a great ruler or any such thing. And to his being a liberator and such claims, I think, it was the British education in Tellichery that really gave support to a small section of the suppressed classes there. It was Brennen college and the English schools there that gave the lower classes a chance to escape the suppression inflicted on them by both the thamburan class as well as their own caste superiors and family karanavars (terrible matriarchal family system). But then, this could also have been a reason of friction between the landlord and the British, for it was more less a terrible situation of the servant class getting English education. 
It is really funny to see Mammooty acting as Pazhassir Raja, when he had once acted as Ponthan Maada, wherein he exists as a member of the thoroughly suppressed class of the local janmi, to the extend that even his wife is dominated by the janmi.
I am keeping a copy of this post of mine [here] as usually my posts get deleted from Wikipedia fast. 
--Ved from Victoria Institutions (talk) 08:40, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could those who complain about the article's content please stop complaining or edit-warring, and start looking for sources and references. That would be more constructive, regardless of the topic. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 09:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious defects and misinformation 

message: 1.I hope one's aware of the many Kathakali Themes (Aattakatha) composed by Kottayam Thampuran.Well, this is the very same Kottayam of Malabar that gave birth to the legendary king of Pazhassi who gave the British East India Company a run for their money with his fierce assertion of independence, matched by organising skills.All those wagging their tounges here about upper class-lower class stuff should not forget that Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja had the whole hearted support of the Kurichya tribes.
2.Mammuty's an actor. So there's nothing wrong when he portrays Pazhassi Raja with as great a zeal as he would with 'Pontanmada'. I do not understand why one fails to see this simple truth about acting!
81.135.42.9 (talk) 19:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kottayam, Pazhassi Raja and Mammuty 

message: Please rollback to this version--Abhishek Jacob (talk) 16:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rollback 

message: This article relies very heavily on William Logan's writings. Can someone please explain to me why such an old source, authored by someone of dubious standing, should not be removed? Surely there are more modern sources? - Sitush (talk) 18:09, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logan 

message: First person to write extensively about Pazhassi Raja is William Logan, Collector of Malabar. Almost all subsequent writings on Pazhassi Raja by historians have heavily borrowed from William Logan. I can bring many modern sources here, but what use will it be if all of that is cut copy paste of William Logan? Also Logan is not a dubious person - his Malabar Manual is referred to even this day by post graduate students and research scholars. How come such author of such a source become dubious?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.216.70.121 (talk) 15:51, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do bring those more recent sources here. They are exactly what this article requires & I am pleased to read that they exist. - Sitush (talk) 19:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logan Is Vital 

message: I have just removed a large addition of two sources in the article. One was a blogspot source and has no reliability at all; the other was this article from The Hindu. The article seems to be analysing primary sources held in a local archive but I have no idea whether its author - P. Anima - is suitably qualified to make such an analysis. Is the writer an academic historian, a journalist, a commentator or what? - Sitush (talk) 12:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And I have now just removed this, sorry. I am unsure about the reliability of some of those new sources but of more concern is that no page numbers are given for a multitude of citations. It is impossible for the reader to establish what is going on without more information. Feel free to restore the information but, please, do so only if you can provide complete citations. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 11:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

text: A lot of citation errors were introduced recently. I've fixed most of them but cannot resolve those that take the form "Kurup ()" because the original contributor did not specify which of Kurup's books they were citing. Can anyone enlighten us? - Sitush (talk) 08:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: SAMPLE 
QUOTE: This force was a fore-runner of the Kolkar,[45] who became infamous for their sycophancy to British and cruelty to resisters and people END OF QUOTE
The powerful truth is that the common people of the Subcontinent supported the English rule. If they are the traitors, then who might be the patriots of the Subcontinent?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.97.14.167 (talk) 09:58, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just some silly jingoist writing? 

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