Talk:Treble (association football)

message: what you mean to say is TRIPLE!!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.170.86.132 (talk) 09:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: "Treble" is not a word

message: The Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira is the equivalent of the Portuguese Charity Shield and is played over 1 game:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superta%C3%A7a_C%C3%A2ndido_de_Oliveira
According to the article itself (first paragraph) such competitions are not taken into consideration when considering a treble.
Therefore, no Portuguese club thus far (May 16, 2014) has ever won the domestic treble. Will someone put this straight? Ta.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.70.214 (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese trebles incorrectly listed!

message: Add Inter's treble picture instead of barca's, it's more relevant..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.85.80 (talk) 14:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: I took my time to see who won the main continental championships and how they did domestically that season.  The biggest problem was that sometimes the, say, Asian championship ran during a calendar year but the domestic season ran during the traditional sept-may season.  Or vice versa.  In these cases, I usually went with the domestic calendar to establish when the "season" took place and saw if during that period the continental championship was won.  Further, while I looked for Treble winners, I didn't look for Near Trebles or Other Trebles ie, teams that won say the domestic double and the continental Cup Winners Cup.  This is a link to internationl competition lists,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28soccer%29_around_the_world
And this is a link to the main continental championships,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:International_club_football_%28soccer%29_competitions
Anyone else who has the time to see what other trebles or near trebles are out there, this is probably a good place to start.  And anyone else who wants to see what continental trebles I might have overlooked because of my definition of a "single season," this would also be the place to start.  Nygoodliving 05:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Continental Trebles

message: Does anyone else think this list is too long? I would suggest that the minimum requirement to be in this list would be to win one competition and be runners-up in two. What do others think? 212.140.167.99 14:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What does everyone else think? Am I in a minority of two?212.140.167.99 19:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, having semi finalists in it is silly Kie 23:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I also agree, albeit two years later. Trefalcon (talk) 14:41, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

text: only finalists count in near trebles Jw2035 (talk) 23:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I've removed the "Near Trebles" which showed teams that lost in a cup quarterfinal. I think that's a pretty lame "Near Treble", a "double" has a much nicer ring to it. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 19:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Near Trebles

message: This makes no sense. They won the Russian League (League Championship), their country's major cup (Russian Cup) and then the UEFA Cup (European Cup). And yet they do not qualify??? This is complete nonesense... Put CSKA where they belong, and stop with the East vs West garbage...
:To qualify for treble, a club need to win Domestic League, Domestic Cup, and Champions League(Not Europa League) in single season  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.170.202.121 (talk) 06:44, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: However the description says: A continental treble[1] involves winning the club's national league competition, main national cup competition, and a continental trophy. No mentions that a continental trophy has to be the main trophy. Trial79 (talk) 07:16, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing it out. ABC paulista (talk) 22:01, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: CSKA Does Not Qualify? Why?

message: Is the 2003 treble of FFC Frankfurt relevant? The article is about football, female football too, right? bneidror (talk) 20:34, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 1. FFC Frankfurt

message: Added back the near treble tables, we worked hard in the past and all that info is relevant to the article. Don't bother deleting it again.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.83.155.225 (talk) 01:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed the article 

message: So don't add it!! Ridiculous... 131.111.53.24 (talk) 20:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The UEFA Cup/Europa League is NOT the European Cup/Champions League

message: I am very confused here. For American teams, it lists the Supporters' Shield as the league title, MLS Cup as the domestic cup, and US Open Cup as other competition. That is backwards to me. The winner of the MLS Cup is considered champion of Major League Soccer, the US Open Cup is the domestic cup competition (as it incorporates teams from all over the American soccer pyramid), and the Supporters' Shield is an award given to the team with the best record in Major League Soccer, but that team is not champion of MLS. Could someone explain the reasoning behind this? Betito84 (talk) 08:03, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Championships 

message: The Intercontinental cup is not a "true" world championship, it is more like a supercup and thus should not be considered in the World Treble section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.18.21.92 (talk) 23:57, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Intercontinental Cup

message: User:Bneidror asked in 2010 about the 1. FFC Frankfurt treble.  VfL Wolfsburg (women) won a treble last season.  Should women's football be included in this article or should it be its own separate article?  Winning a league title, domestic cup, and continental title is a rare occasion in women's football too. EddieV2003 (talk) 17:18, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women's trebles 

message: 1st paragraph says that Trophy competitions, which consist of a single match or a two-leg match (Supercups for example), are generally not counted as part of a treble (which is true), but on the Domestic Trebles section this statement is contradicted.
Another point is that it is said "England the domestic Treble has never been achieved", however, several English clubs figure on the list.
The report about the Portuguese trebles points out some of these problems.
I also suggest that any clubs that "made" the treble using supercups, are removed from the list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.37.215.28 (talk) 03:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestic Trebles are a total mess! 

message: I don't see why 1983-84 Liverpool's treble shouldn't be added when we have 2 Porto's treble with Uefa Cup/Europa League, since both competitions are secondary cups. There's sources for both, so I don't get the point about this issue. ABC paulista (talk) 21:26, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uefa Cup and League Cup 

message: Please add in continental treble for 2014. 
[User:ABC paulista|ABC paulista]] (talk) 20:44, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auckland City FC 2014 Treble 

message: What is the origin or etimology of the term? David1776 (talk) 20:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: FC Barcelona have won the European Cup, Cup Winners Cup, and the Fairs Cup, which was the predecessor of the UEFA Cup, so rather surprising that UEFA don't consider them to have won the European treble? Culloty82 (talk) 21:08, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Fairs Cup was never a official UEFA competition. ABC paulista (talk) 22:13, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barcelona denied European treble? 

message: and  I want to understand why that info about Toronto's domestic treble is relevant to the article. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what three competitions those teams won as long these two conditions are met: 1) The team won the top-tier league and 2) The other two competitions aren't supercup-like ones. So, I don't see why that kind of info should be included here, or how such distinction is important at all.ABC paulista (talk) 03:51, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The US and Canada shares the same top league and one of the cup (i.e. Supporters' Shield) but the other competition would be different between US and Canada. However, when people talk about MLS treble this distinction needs to be made. SYSS Mouse (talk) 04:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I still don't see why such distinction is important. First of all, there's no "MLS treble", but treble(s) that only US teams are able to achieve and treble(s) that only canadians are able. Yes, US and Canadians share some competitions, but there are many competitions listed in other countries that aren't nationwide-embracing (being city-based, state-based, county-based, province-based, etc. that exclude teams from that same country who aren't part of a specific region) or specific to a set of teams based in some rules and/or rankings, so I don't see how this case is so distinct from others, to the point of needing its own explanation. ABC paulista (talk) 04:35, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  US-Canada relevance 

message: I think there should be a mentioning like this:
It is very rare that players of a team that wins a treble also win a cup with their national team in the same year. Hans van Breukelen, Berry van Aerle, Ronald Koeman, Gerald Vanenburg and Wim Kieft combined a PSV 1987–88 treble with a Euro 1988 cup with the Netherlands. Essam El-Hadary, Ahmad El-Sayed, Mohamed Abdelwahab, Hassan Mostafa, Emad Moteab, Mohamed Shawky, Mohamed Barakat, Wael Gomaa and Mohamed Aboutreika combined a Al-Ahly treble with a 2006 Africa Cup of Nations with Egypt.
There used to be a text like this in older versions of this page before december 2017, somehow it got wiped out. Surely everybody can see it is very special when a player combines a treble with their club with a cup with their national squad; it happened only once in European soccer and only once in African soccer.
Who seconds me in favour of adding this text? 
Joske79  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joske79 (talk • contribs) 09:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Special mention of achievements of PSV/The Netherlands in 1988 and Al-Ahly/Egypt 2006 

message: Need some advice on Linfield F.C. The current edit incorrectly has them on two trebles, counting the County Antrim Shield as one of the three trophies. While most trebles include a league cup, NI did not actually have a league cup competition until 1987. Since then, Linfield have won three trebles of league, cup, and league cup - in 1994, 2006 and 2008. Surely these trebles would take precedence over those achieved with other minor trophies?
However, If the County Antrim Shield (a minor regional competition) is also considered to be a valid competition to include in a treble, then the club would be on 10 trebles in total. Which one is correct, because two certainly isn't? It's either three or ten, depending on whether the Shield is included. Reddev87 (talk) 05:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless you have some sources that back-up that some secondary competition takes precedence over others, all kinds of trebles are welcomed, provided that they don't include a supercup-like tournaments on it. But, since the League Cup didn't exist on Northern Ireland until 1987, other competititons would have that "main secondary cup" status back then, which it seems me that either the City Cup or the Gold Cup would have such status. ABC paulista (talk) 16:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linfield F.C. 

message: Hi folks. Is it about time we recognized the above as a type of treble? We have 14 teams across South America & Europe achieving this feat, including Manchester United from 1999 team.
Club                 	Country    	Season/Year(s)	Titles won
Peñarol              	Uruguay    	1961          	Campeonato Uruguayo Primera, CONMEBOL Libertadores, Intercontinental Cup
Santos               	Brazil     	1962          	Brasileirão Série A, CONMEBOL Libertadores, Intercontinental Cup
Santos (2)           	Brazil     	1963          	Brasileirão Série A, CONMEBOL Libertadores, Intercontinental Cup
Inter                	Italy      	1965          	Serie A, European Cup, Intercontinental Cup
Nacional             	Uruguay    	1971          	Campeonato Uruguayo Primera, CONMEBOL Libertadores, Intercontinental Cup
Ajax                 	Netherlands	1972          	Eredivisie, European Cup, Intercontinental Cup
Olimpia              	Paraguay   	1979          	Primera División, CONMEBOL Libertadores, Intercontinental Cup
Nacional (2)         	Uruguay    	1980          	Campeonato Uruguayo Primera, CONMEBOL Libertadores, Intercontinental Cup
Peñarol (2)          	Uruguay    	1982          	Campeonato Uruguayo Primera, CONMEBOL Libertadores, Intercontinental Cup
River Plate          	Argentina  	1986          	Argentine Primera División, CONMEBOL Libertadores, Intercontinental Cup
Red Star Belgrade    	Yugoslavia 	1991          	Yugoslav First League, European Cup, Intercontinental Cup
Ajax (2)             	Netherlands	1995          	Eredivisie, UEFA Champions League, Intercontinental Cup
Manchester United    	England    	1999          	Premier League, UEFA Champions League, Intercontinental Cup
Boca Juniors         	Argentina  	2000          	Argentine Primera División Apertura, CONMEBOL Libertadores, Intercontinental Cup
Bayern Munich        	Germany    	2001          	Bundesliga, UEFA Champions League, Intercontinental Cup
Boca Juniors (2)     	Argentina  	2003          	Argentine Primera División Apertura, CONMEBOL Libertadores, Intercontinental Cup
FC Porto             	Portugal   	2004          	Liga NOS Portugal, UEFA Champions League, Intercontinental Cup
Manchester United (2)	England    	2008          	Premier League, UEFA Champions League, FIFA Club World Cup
Barcelona            	Spain      	2009          	LaLiga, UEFA Champions League, FIFA Club World Cup
Inter (2)            	Italy      	2010          	Serie A, UEFA Champions League, FIFA Club World Cup
Barcelona (2)        	Spain      	2011          	LaLiga, UEFA Champions League, FIFA Club World Cup
Bayern Munich (2)    	Germany    	2013          	Bundesliga, UEFA Champions League, FIFA Club World Cup
Barcelona (3)        	Spain      	2015          	LaLiga, UEFA Champions League, FIFA Club World Cup
Real Madrid          	Spain      	2017          	LaLiga, UEFA Champions League, FIFA Club World Cup
Bayern Munich (3)    	Germany    	2020          	Bundesliga, UEFA Champions League, FIFA Club World Cup
Real Madrid (2)      	Spain      	2022          	LaLiga, UEFA Champions League, FIFA Club World Cup
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.116.50 (talk) 18:24, 7 February 2020 (SGT) 
:We can recognize nothing here, all "recognition" must come trough credible external sources, and all instances must be individually sourced. But I can anticipate that your list doesn't meet the criteria for the article, because the criteria for inclusions here is for 3 titles that were won on the same season, and in the european cases, its clubs won the European Cup/Champions League on a different season of the ones that they won the Intercontinental Cup and/or World Cup. They don't meet the criteria. ABC paulista (talk) 15:55, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I seriously still do not see a reason why we cannot recognized the above as a type of treble. Even the Spanish translation of that wikipedia page do recognise the above as treble, as least for the South American teams. The source they used to justify is here: . If at the end you still insist that it does not count, you can take a look at . I did not make that up. If you disagree with the content on that Spanish page, you can always argue with the editor of that page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.116.50 (talk) 04:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:RS and WP:TERTIARY, Wikipedia's pages cannot be used as sources for its other pages, so what's written on other articles and/or other languages is irrelevant here. The source you presented can only justify the inclusion of South American instances, the European ones are unsourced. ABC paulista (talk) 12:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: National league, Continental title & world title

message: Neither of the tables are sorting for me, besides the conference. I can't see what is wrong. Is it working for anyone else? —МандичкаYO 😜 17:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables not sorting for me 

message: Pinging editors who have recently made this type of change: , , and , I feel that the separation into men's and women's tables is absolutely necessary. I agree with some of the comments saying that it's necessary for clarity and consistency with other Wikipedia articles. GrammarDamner how are things? 16:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Readers should know what to expect when clicking on a link. Many clubs have men's and women's teams, if not distinguished it is much less clear which team the link is for. Also, it is far more intuitive regarding order and numbering, for example "the eighth European treble" would be used to refer to Barcelona in 2015, though the information becomes much less clear if combined into a single table. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:52, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: While I do agree that such division could be useful, but it could also mislead the reader into thinking that these instances were made in distinct modalities, which is not true. But my main grip is that such division is not being applied in onther artcles within the same scope, like the doubles or the quadruples ones. So, for the sake of consistency, I would like to see the same treatment applied for these cases simultaneously with this one.ABC paulista (talk) 22:08, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agree separation is absolutely necessary. While we all agree it's the same sport that is being played, men and women levels are totally separated—there is no competition, it's a completely different system. And I think this since it's true the fact that men and women never officially play against each other, there are no mixed tournaments, and there is no possiblity  for a player to see his statistics in a mixed match officially recorded as part of his career. And finallly, it would be the first time that I wouldn't see such division being applied. --Foghe (talk) 12:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Men's and women's tables 

message: In Treble concept, Below description is very important. There are too many examples. no sources needed. Don't delete this description.
In Europeon football, Club's single season period and competition's single season period are same. But in other continental football, Not all club's single season period and competition's single season are same. (e.g. 2019–20 Al-Hilal FC season and 2019 AFC Champions League, 2018–19 C.F. Monterrey season and 2019 CONCACAF Champions League).
Footwiks (talk) 16:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: From its site's appearance, TUDN looks like it would be fairly reliable, but its claim (in the reference used in the article) that Monterrey just won a treble, when they played in the Club World Cup for winning the CONCACAF Champions League the *previous season* a month after winning the cup final which is is the subject of the article, is pretty laughable. The club season article in the table clearly shows the continental win was in the season prior to the domestic double. I agree (below) that the meaning of 'season' need to be defined. But for this one I can't see it passing any credibility test. Not checked Al-Hilal but sounds like it would be the same or similar. Crowsus (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is nothing presented here that diractly cofronts or contradicts any of the examples presented on the article, and the club's season article cannot be used for such propose, since it can't be considered to be a reliable source by being an Wikipedia article, and not a third-party source. ABC paulista (talk) 17:25, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I put it to you that the source cited is not a RS as it clearly uses sensationalist language and makes claims which do not appear to be supported by convention. Another source will be needed to support the claim of a single-season treble. Crowsus (talk) 17:35, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

text: I've now checked the Al-Hilal claim and also find it to be bogus. The 2019 AFC Champions League win followed on from wining the 2017–18 Saudi title, and is therefore a 2018–19 competition, albeit not completed until December 2019. It does not correspond to the same cycle where the club won the domestic double in 2019–20. I have not changed the article to that effect due to the lack of a source which proves they didn't but I have added a tag requesting additional sources to these tabloid websites. Claiming either of these clubs won those three trophies in the same season makes a nonsense of the article, even when referenced. Crowsus (talk) 17:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , both sources can be considered fully reliable for being professional, third-party sources that meet all Wikipedia's criteria of WP:V and WP:RS, and you calling them "tabloid websites" is WP:POV. But I belive that your actions/proposal is fairly reasonable and acceptable. There are others who I do believe could be also be questioned (Cruz Azul's 1997 treble, Al Ahly's 2006–07 one), but I don't believe that outrightt removing them without proper sourcing would be a good move. ABC paulista (talk) 18:02, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ABC paulista, You contradict yourself. In an another talk you mention that Yomiuri FC won a AFC treble. They won it by winning the league from the (86/87) season (the season ended before the Asian Club Championship). And a cup from the 1987 year, and the Asian Club Championship was won in November 1987.1987 Asian Club Championship#Final. if you considered that a true treble. Then Al-Hilal could’ve also won a treble by winning the trophies in the same order. (18/19) league win (the season ended before the 2019 AFC Champions League, with the winner Al-Nassr), (18/19) cup win (the season ended before the 2019 AFC Champions League with Al-Taawon winning it) , then the AFC Champions League title they already have on 2019 December. But the problem is you also consider the (19/20) league and cup win, to make them eligible for a treble with the 2019 AFC Champions League. So could they win 2 trebles with one AFC Champions League? Which way is correct Yomiuri FC or Al-Hilal FC? Both formats can’t be correct. Personally I think only Yomiuri FC. Because they won the (86/87) league, then the (87) cup, then the Asian Club championship (1987). The only problem would be they didn’t get crowned champions in the same year since the (87) cup was won in 1988, but they also won (86) cup in 1987 which should be the legitimate win. we can’t trust two sources that contradict each other. If we use the treble rules that are listed in the page. Then Al-Hilal’s source is illegitimate. Kh4l2ed Kh4l2ed (talk) 23:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not me who dictates what is and what isn't a treble, it's the sources. If they contradcit each other without directly acknowledging and/or discrediting each other, so be it because Wikipedia strives for Verifiability, not truth. So, in such cases, we have to take both and call it a day, since we, as mere users, cannot outright decide which one is right and which is wrong, we don't have such permission and, per WP:RS, info coming from reputable sources always supercede our opinion. That's just how Wikipedia operates. ABC paulista (talk) 00:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club's single season period and competition's single season period 

message: They are currently listed as having four, but three of them (2005–06, 2013–14, and 2014–15) were from winning the NZFC Minor Premiership, NZFC Grand Final, and the OFC Champions League. Only the 2022 treble came from them winning New Zealand's main cup competition (the Chatham Cup), the New Zealand National League (the NZFC's successor), and the OFC Champions League, but the second sentence of the article states "A continental treble involves winning the club's national league competition, main national cup competition, and main continental trophy". I believe their first three "trebles" should be removed from this list and possibly added as a footnote instead. This goes for fellow New Zealand club Waitakere United's treble in 2007–08 as well since the three competitions they won that season were also the Minor Premiership, the Grand Final, and the OFCCL. Geolojoey (talk) 20:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any reason to dismiss them, since in the former New Zealand Football Championship these were the main league and main cup competitions that the franchises could participate, both the Premiership and the Grand Final were considered as separate competitions, both awarded their own throphies and prizes, and the sources do cite these instances as treble winners. So I don't see what's the issue here. ABC paulista (talk) 21:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Auckland City be listed as having four continental trebles or one? 

message: Technically they should win all trophies within a season or a year, but they haven’t achieved that. The Saudi League in (19/20), the King’s Cup in (19/20). AFC Champions League in (2019). That doesn’t uphold to the rules of the treble. Because the AFC champions was won in a different year and season. It doesn’t make sense they qualified to it through the (17/18) league season, but they won it 2 seasons later? In Erupean Champions League the winner of the (19/20) season Bayern, Qualified to it through the (18/19) Bundesliga season. Ulsan Hyundai FC are the ones that won the (2020) AFC Champions League. Not Al-Hilal. @ABC paulista Kh4l2ed (talk) 22:04, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is that multiple souces do cite that this constitute as a treble and that they are considered part of the smae season, so by the rules stated by WP:RS and WP:V we must follow suit, regardless if we have disagree with them. Reliable sources cannot be challenged by wikipedians like us, they can only be discredited if sources of similar reliability explicitally discredit them, so the claim can only be challenged if other similar sources express direct disagreement with their satetments. Until then, the sources rule the information that is provided here. And in Al Hilal's case, there are similar ones included here like Al Ahly's one discussed right above, or Monterey's one, or the second Cruz Azul one, for example, so it doesn't seem to be an outlier, an exception, on the matter. ABC paulista (talk) 00:27, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al-Hilal didn’t win the treble