Template talk:User en

message: I noticed recently that the language cody was a wikilink to the German language in the Template:User de template, and decided that it was a good idea.  Especially for less common languages, which might not be recognized here on :en.  I've been adding it to other templates as I saw them.  I've been unable to do it to this one, for reasons that you might be able to guess.  -Lethe | Talk 12:40, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Angr/ 13:30, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I've done about 10 languages now.  Would you like to do en-0, en-1, en-2,en-3, en-4, es, es-0, es-1, es-2, es-3, and es-4, which are also blocked? -Lethe | Talk 14:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done all the English ones. I didn't realize Spanish was also blocked. --Angr/ 14:39, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: that's awesome, thanks.  How about one more? -Lethe | Talk 14:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I came across Template:User en-4 today.  needs wikis too? -Lethe | Talk 17:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Angr/ 20:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  wfy 

message: The language templates all seem to add a Category link that points to the "User en" category.  Why not call this category "English speakers" or "Users who speak English"?  Ditto for "User fr" and the rest.
Tim Pierce 16:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose what the category is called doesn't matter much, but the pattern is well established now, and I for one don't want to go through every page here and rename the category on it. --Angr (t·c) 17:05, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand the mechanics of the templates correctly, all that would have to be changed would be the  template itself and :Category:User en :-)  (It would have to be changed for umpty-ump languages, but I think each language would require only two changes.)  I would be willing to do at least some of the legwork on this, but  is protected :-) Tim Pierce 22:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely think you should put up a request for renaming before doing anything else. Just being bold and renaming it without seeking broader consensus first will be considered disruptive. --Angr (t·c) 22:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not worth doing such extensive work for something as trivial and, by all means not meaning to be offesnsive, relatively useless as that. There are no benefits. --Sn0wflake 02:12, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "Category: User en"? 

message: I've reverted the additions  by User:Myrtone86:
:Also, native language/tounge implies that it was the first language one learnt and that can be determined, if you are not a native speaker of any particular native language – this is, no one (including you and your parents) can determine which language you learnt first – use one of the following:
:* the male version.
:* the female version.
First off, there is no evidence of support for such a highly-visible change.
Secondly, the idea described in the text about the definition of a native speaker does not seem to accord with the commonly-accepted idea of "native speaker" status.  Being a "native speaker of X" doesn't always mean learning X before all other languages.  More importantly, if a child learns two languages simultaneously from infancy, he is a native speaker of both by the commonly-understood meaning of the term.  However the text above seems to imply he is a native speaker of neither, because the "first" can't be determined!
Lastly, the intent of the templates :Template:User en-m and :Template:User en-f is unclear.  It's not explained, but my guess is that this is to express the idea that, for example, a bilingual French-English speaker has an French-speaking mother and an English-speaking father: this would be "en-f" and "fr-m".
I object to this plan because it's seriously non-scaleable.  Not everybody grows up in a household with exactly two parents, a mother and father.  People learn languages from grandparents, siblings, nannies, etc., etc.  Clearly we wouldn't want this level of detail in templates.  I think the current system, describing anyone who learns two or more languages in childhood as simply a native speaker of all, is the most workable one.
I'll hold off a bit on nominating the en-m and en-f templates for deletion, to let User:Myrtone86 explain his/her opinion on this. --Saforrest 23:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I interpret user en-m and user en-f is that it's for people who do not feel that they have native-speaker competence in any language; such people certainly exist. I have at least two acquaintances who would say that this applies to them: both of them grew up speaking one language at home and a different language at school (and in one fellow's case, neither was the language spoken by the larger community where he lived), but then did their advanced education in still another language and as adults speak the home language of their childhood rarely or not at all. They don't feel completely at home in any language; there's no language in which they don't have a foreign accent or make "foreigner's errors" in grammar. User:Angr 14:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough, but I think my objection that the en-m and en-f templates are non-scaleable still stands.  I don't know what the best way is to describe the linguistic capabilities of the sort of person you describe. --Saforrest 19:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions by [[User:Myrtone86]] 

message: Please add :sl:Predloga:Uporabnik en. Thanks a lot. --Eleassar my talk 13:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit fulfilled. Jesse Viviano 15:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do the same for bo:Template:User en. Thank you. --Lotic 11:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: (As well as for eo:%C5%9Cablono:Vikipediisto_en. Thanks.) --Lotic 11:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Interwiki

message: Hi, I wanna add this: This user is a native speaker of English..That would let users have their own text. thanks.--Emperor Walter Humala  · ( talk? · help! ) 21:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing . See my comment at Category talk:Language user templates. CMummert · talk 13:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: hehe, you'd better see what I did on template:user American --Emperor Walter Humala  · ( talk? · help! ) 23:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  text changing 

message: Is there any reason that this template does not use ifeq language?  If there is no particular babel reasoning behind this, could that change be made?  Miss Mondegreen | Talk   06:37, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What change do you want made? I don't know whether there is a reason that it doesn't use parser functions (the correct term), but I don't see why it should either. Harryboyles 06:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not done. There's no reason for this template to use ParserFunctions, as far as I can see (it uses no parameters but the standard  which doesn't need ParserFunctions to work); they're more useful in complicated templates which need to respond differently according to parameters. --ais523 08:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I'd like to see something done about the category.  Either parsed so that it only shows up on userpages, or so that category suppression works (which would mean that categories could still be used to stop badly placed templates and people could supress categories on pages where the template was purposefully placed without substing it).  Sorry I wasn't clear before.  Miss Mondegreen | Talk   05:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ifeq 

message: A very minor thing, but is there any chance the template's alphabetical categorization can be made lowercase ("en" rather than "En") so the template is listed with all the other English templates?  Thanks! -Bbik★ 19:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: done. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Categorization

message: 
Every other English language level should use the Template:Languages (Except Template:User en-6, but it isn't included in the template anyway.), but I was unable to add the template into this page because the page is fully protected.

~Iceshark7 17:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, no problem. Nihiltres(t.l) 21:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The documentation has been switched to use the doc subpage pattern. Cheers. --MZMcBride 00:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi, can you explain a little more about what this does exactly? I'm a bit confused. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 19:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  - the system that already existed there (which used "category" instead of "categories" and didn't use a ParserFunction) has now been standardized to the version you quoted. Nihiltres(t.l) 22:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A request to add [[Template:Languages]] 

message: This template incorporates en-6. It is a separate template because since this is an English Wikipedia, other languages cannot really contribute at a professorial level. -Sox207 21:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The documentation has been switched to use the doc subpage pattern. Cheers. --MZMcBride 00:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to change [[Template:Languages]] to [[Template:Languages-en]] 

message: 
Sorry I didn't think of this when you were writing the doc, but could you add a parser function to the userbox like it says at :Category:Category suppression supporting templates,  this is how the includeonly tags should look. This will benefit seeing as this page is transcluded as an example on so many pages. I already added the page to this category. -Sox207 04:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, can you explain a little more about what this does exactly? I'm a bit confused. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 19:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  - the system that already existed there (which used "category" instead of "categories" and didn't use a ParserFunction) has now been standardized to the version you quoted. Nihiltres(t.l) 22:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to add parser function 

message: I removed the -N category as duplicative. (And added the template to the category for ease of navigation.) - jc37 10:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a duplicate category; it's a more specific one. :Category:User en covers users from all levels of en (see the source of Template:User en-3 as an example), while :Category:User en-N is intended to cover only users who are native speakers of English. This is customary in all language userbox templates, e.g. see Template:User fr or any other lang template. With your change, there is now no category that exclusively covers en-N users. I am adding a request to revert your edit. Mxipp (talk) 08:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:30, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  N 

message: No change in semantics. New code:


Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: — Edokter • Talk •  16:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convert to {{tl|userbox}} 

message: Could the template be updated to the code below:




This is to change it to use the userbox-level template which is used by other similar userboxes. Thanks -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:36, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Req 

message: With the change to the Userbox template, the ability to opt-out of the user category was lost. This line will re-add that functionality:
 nocat = 
Can this be added?—Chowbok ☠ 23:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 01:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add category opt-out 

message: "DO NOT copy the source of this userbox." doesn't comply with the Manual of Style, it should be "Do not copy the source of this userbox". I don't fully understand how the documentation template works so I apologize in advance if I'm ranting on the wrong page. --Kris159 (talk) 13:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does not comply 

message: The various  templates add pages to :Category:User en as well as the specific categories. It seems rather pointless to add the pages to the parent category as well as the subcategories, especially since every user on the English Wikipedia should be able to speak English anyway. McLerristarr | Mclay1 05:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:SUPERCAT. I just noticed this through a rather roundabout way and posted something at Template_talk:User_iso15924#Supercats. Hyacinth (talk) 06:46, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:User en 

message: The template for adding this userbox to Babel is incorrect. It should be  Rmorabia (talk) 19:27, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The formatting directions are incorrect.