Talk:Xanadu Houses

message: The second paragraph of the "History" section introduces "Roy Mason" rather intensly.  It seems like the phrase "Architect Roy Mason" means to imply that an architect named Roy Mason was chosen as the lead architect on the project?  I don't know much about architecture, so I didn't want to change the article myself, but I'd suggest something like "Architect Roy Mason was chosen as the [lead architect / some other architecture term] for the Xanadu House.  He had previously worked on a similar project involving polyurethane foam, an "experimental school" in Virginia." -- Creidieki 05:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrasing 

message: I rewrote the introduction to make it a little clearer what the Xanadu Houses were.  I added that they contained "some of the earliest home automation systems".  That *seems* to be true, but I'm  not completely sure that it is, so if it's inaccurate it should probably be fixed.  -- Creidieki 05:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "earliest home automation systems"? 

message: The "History" section was a bit out-of-order, talking about the second Xanadu House before the first.  I understand that the second house was the most important one, but I think that it's better to go in chronological order with this.  I rearranged the section somewhat; you may need to check to make sure that the footnotes are still okay.  This rearrangement brings out that the first House isn't covered very clearly in the article; another sentence or two would help that paragraph a lot (perhaps why it wasn't as popular, or the distinctive features of that design, or somesuch). But I don't see expanding that part as strictly necessary, it's just a suggestion.  -- Creidieki 17:25, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The rearrangement is good. The problem is that there is actually no information other than what is there about the Wisconsin Dells and Tennessee homes. The Xanadu book (which I have and, obviously, used to write most of this article) doesn't even say much about them. The Xanadu that became the most popular, and lasted the longest (from 1983-2005, while the others lasted from about 1979-early 1990s) was the Kissimmee house that used computers and automation conceived by Roy Mason. I guess the others houses were not as popular because they didn't use the technology and automated systems that the Kissimmee house became known for. — Wackymacs 18:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

text: *I hadn't realized that the other houses weren't focusing on automation, maybe that should be clearer somewhere.  You might be able to just say something like that: "The first Xanadu house included novel architectural design, but did not include the automation and technology of the later Kissimmee house, and never rivalled that house in popularity." That would help to place the first house in context, and incidentally fills out the paragraph nicely.  In the part about the third house, add something like "A third Xanadu house was built in Gatlinburg, Tennessee, but was constructed by a different architect, and did not include the computerization of the second house.  Like the first house, it was largely overshadowed by the automation-focused Kissimmee house."  -- Creidieki 20:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section order 

message: It goes from saying how popular they were, to the houses being demolished. The question is why were they demolished. Obviously interest waned, but why did it wane, and/or was politics involved and/or the land being needed for something else. - RoyBoy 800 15:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * The information you request is covered towards the end of the History section of the article. The lead of an article is not meant to mention the topic in detail but summarize the article, thanks. — Wackymacs 17:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Context in Lead 

message: I fixed the tense in the second paragraph of Design - it switched from past to present to past while talking about the same thing. - --Aarondude919 03:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense of Design Paragraph 

message: A very nice article, but with room for more information.  There is no wiki-link for Bob Masters, for example, who seems to be sort of a mysterious person, judging from Google.  Also the article seems a little "Florida-Centric," to this childhood fan of the (original!) WI one.  It would be nice to nail-down an actual closing date for the WI and TN Xanadus, for example.  And I especially notice that under the "Design" section the article repeatedly mentions "Xanadu House" and "Xanadu" when it seems to be refering only to the *Florida* Xanadu (I don't think the WI Xanadu was on a lake, for example).  As a final note, pics of the WI and TN Xanadu would be particularly welcome, as these seem to unavailable on the web.  ThaddeusFrye 17:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wisconsin? 

message: I'm kind of new to this, but don't we need a disambiguation page?  Can't Xanadu refer to other things?
:Yep, but Xanadu doesnt redirect to here. You'd have to deliberately type "Xanadu House" to get to this page. Hence Xanadu points to Xanadu (disambiguation), and this page doesnt. GeeJo (t) (c) •  16:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: The article should try to put the differences in perspective.The article now seems to tell people that all the houses were identical.--213.224.129.118 19:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * If you know anything about the other Xanadu houses apart from the Florida one then please do add any information you know, or pictures. I have found pictures of the others but no actual information. I own the official Xanadu book and it only very briefly talks about the other houses, sorry. The first was designed by Bob Masters, and included a glass dome for a greenhouse, I believe. — Wackymacs 21:52, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Differences between the versions is not very clear

message: Does anybody know what "derior" means, as in the sentence "It used curved walls, painted concrete floors rather than carpets, a light color scheme featuring cool colors throughout, and an open-floor plan linking rooms together without the use of derior used a cream color for the walls, and a pale green for the floor."? I'm also puzzled by this sentence: "A pre-shaped vi sound shell within a few hours." VirtualDave 01:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design section 

message: From "Design", "A pre-shaped vi sound shell within a few hours.". Can anyone understand that? Thanx 68.39.174.238 00:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: Are we sure they used Commodore computers?  The Quicktime video in the Links section, as well as the picture of the kids using the computer in the bedroom, appear to show IBM PCs. 24.159.255.29 02:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commodore? 

message: I know of a Xanadu styled house in Gainesville, Fl. I deliver pizza and took a delivery there not too long ago. I can go back and see if the owner will let me take some pictures. I do not know if the designer just copied the Xanadu style or the process used in constructing the house. I will ask. 68.105.166.146 08:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I believe there is one more Xanadu Style... 

message: The article relies too much on the book, and articles  by  Roy Mason, the architect and promoter of Xanadu Houses, or on articles that are based on his promotions so that the concepts temporarily "caught on". Not enough reliable, independent sources that talk about the real Xanadu Houses and the concepts behind them. Some of the references in the article are questionable. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 21:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliance on primary sources 

message: Are these even notable? I've had a very, very hard time turning up more than a couple of secondary sources outside unreliable stuff like Roadside America. Almost every news and book hit is a false positive. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are multiple sources listed in References and Further reading that justify notability.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the ones tagged with  or the ones that are from a book by the architect? Or the very small number that are actually decent and may or may not be trivial? I'll grant that #7 is good, but #14 gives barely even a paragraph. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  TPH, have you actually read wiki's notability page?  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's break it down. 4, 7, 9, 13 are the only five secondary sources out of the 18 sourced. 4 and 9 aren't available online, so I'll give them benefit of the doubt. 7 is a four-page magazine article whose primary focus is the house. 13 gives less than a paragraph. There are two books cited in the "further reading" section, but they only give one page mention at the most, so who knows how non-trivial they are? I'm not flat out saying "this is not notable at all;" I just think that the notability is on the borderline. As you can see above, the quality of the sources has been questioned before. Most of it merely seems to be "short burst[s] of news reports about a single event or topic." Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 03:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Mason invented the Xanadu House, a specific example of a hi-tech house, and promoted it via his 1983 book. The promotion was picked up at the time and mentioned in a few places, including a business publication and apparently was promoted as a tourist attraction. However, there is no evicence of an enduring effect of the Xanadu House concept. Are there any mentions in architectural reviews? Any recent mentions that the Xanadu House plans are even remembered? Is it still a tourist attraction? Are the three houses still standing? I have modern architectural reviews of the period that do not mention it.  The two "Further reading" books appear to deal with how technology affects the economy, rather than addressing specifically the effect of Xanadu House.  Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 15:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Once again, TPH, have you read Wiki's notability page?  Whether the article relies too heavily on certain sources and warrants FA status is an entirely separate question than whether it meets notability.  Notability is determined at WP:AFD; your tagging of this article as not meeting notability is unjustified; if you think it is, please take it to AFD.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: The first "Foam House" in the Wisconsin Dells area was built as a private house by Fritz and Dona Frusher on top a rocky bluff near Barneveld Wisconsin (just south of the Wisconsin Dells) in 1972.[ref1] They opened it to tours in 1977 but had to close it to tours in 1981 due to not meeting commercial fire standards which would allow the public tours to continue[ref2]. But during short time it was a major tourist attraction in the area (and I, the author of this section visited the amazing house which had at least one room built from spraying an inflated hot air balloon, had a shower with a fish tank in the wall, large natural stone floors, a tower with a second floor master bedroom, third floor sundeck, garage, etc). At the same time Tommy Barlett just came out with its Exploratory which was then called "Tommy Bartlett's Robot World & Exploratory"[ref3]. A spaceship turned on its side which you would walk through to see a glimpse in to the future of living. ABC's "That's Incredible" did a story on the house, and National Geographic came by to do a story.[ref2] In the early 80's the first Xanadu house was being built right next to the main highway into the Dells (951 Stand Rock Rd, Wisconsin Dells, WI 53965). It was built with metal forms, very uniform shapes, and much smaller compared to the Frusher home. So the Xanadu foam houses were really built for tours to match the trends of the time.
[ref1] https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19780903&id=EGgaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lykEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5710,1543755&hl=en
[ref2] http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/WI/WI-idx?type=turn&entity=WI.BLHScrap8084.p0011&id=WI.BLHScrap8084&isize=text 
[ref3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Bartlett
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.216.160.224 (talk) 23:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Built for tours to match the trends of the time, not the first and unfortunantly not the best 

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message: This article states a lot of facts having to do with the popularity of the Xanadu houses as well as how the houses were constructed. The last part of the article on "Concerns over energy consumption" only has 2 sentences and it doesn't really mention any of the actual concerns. Having more details about why there were concerns about energy consumption and whether or not these concerns were dealt with could help make the information in this article seem more balanced. --Akrosley (talk) 02:00, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Energy consumption concerns seem to be underrepresented 

message: There is a Xanadu style home in Duluth MN. The address is 1401 Mississippi Ave, Duluth, MN 55811.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.48.94.114 (talk) 14:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xanadu Style Home in Duluth MN 

message: The "virtual guide" was a later addition to the Kissimmee attraction. In the 80s, the Xanadu house had human guides; the virtual guide was introduced as a cost saving measure in later waning years.
In addition to things like the autochef (which was a patchwork robot with spindles that was never shown actually cooking), the upstairs had a fire escape slide, and the lower level also featured a (non-operational)  mockup of sonic clothes washing. Most of the televisions in the home were three-screen Sampo 9519 models. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 23:51, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virtual guide