Talk:Smartphone/Archive 2

message: According to this page, Linux has the #2 market share at 16.7%. Yet there isn't a single Linux smartphone in the comparison chart?
How is this possible? There must be Linux smartphones, how else would they have the Linux #2 market share? Or does that share come from customers installing Linux on the device as an after market modification? In which case, applicable devices should have an indication that  a Linux OS is available to replace the one the device comes with.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zerothis (talk • contribs) 03:08, August 24, 2007 (UTC) 
: There aren't any in the table because most of the wikieditors are from America or Europe, and most of the Linux smartphones are in Asia. Hypnotist uk 12:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Linux smartphones? 

message: I've done some cleanup. Comments:
* I want to add Nokia E90, N95 and Motorola Z8, and replace E62 with E61i. Also thinking of adding the E65, which is selling very well.
* Do the Palm and WM phones support soft keyboards as well?
* I want to add 'Communications' with WLAN, phone technologies, etc, but need a better heading name - suggestions? I see some people have added Bluetooth and WiFi to a couple of the phones but this is far from complete!
* I'd like to change the weight to SI units, and add size (cc) as well - I imagine there might be push-back on that... Although some additions have been done in hxwxd rather than cc. Please can we standardise.
* Year of release would be good, too (quarter of release even better, but I've no idea where we'd get that info)
* Not forgetting references :)
Hypnotist uk 21:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: cc seems like a bit of an odd way of giving the size - to pick a ridiculous example, a 1m x 1cm x 1cm phone would be 100 cc, but would probably not be an adequate replacement for other 100 cc phones.  A quick look at the Nokia Irish site shows that at least one phone's technical specs include both the volume in cc and the hxwxd in mm; should both be given? Guy Harris 22:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no need to reductio ad absurdum! hxwxd is good but IMHO hardly makes for easy comparison in what is already a very cluttered table. cc has the advantage of being a single number (and the fact most phone tech specs seem to quote it suggests it does indicate something useful). Most smartphones are of a fairly consistent form factor. Whichever is chosen should be consistent across the table in any case... Hypnotist uk 07:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Comparison Table 

message: The Canalys report talks in some places about "smart phones" (e.g., "Canalys estimates that Linux devices represented more than 90% of the 1.5 million smart phones shipped by Motorola in Q4 2006."), and in other places about all "smart mobile devices" (e.g., "Year-on-year market growth for all smart mobile devices combined shifted down to 30%, compared to the 50% seen in Q3 2006, but unit volumes still hit a new quarterly peak of 22.1 million.").  "Smart mobile devices" includes "smart phones", "wireless handhelds" (is that "handhelds with 802.11 but no connection to mobile phone networks", or "handhelds with connection to mobile phone or paging networks but no voice capability" such as older RIM devices, or what?), and "handhelds" (presumably like the original Palm, which had no networking).
For the OS market shares, I'm not sure whether it's referring just to "smart phones" or "smart mobile devices" as a whole. Guy Harris 17:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canalys report - smart phones, or all "smart mobile devices"? 

message: I don't know anything about this - is it actually a smartphone? The website doesn't give any evidence that it's even marketed as one. I'm proposing to delete this from the table. Hypnotist uk 22:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, all the QWERTY Nokia phones also come in AZERTY, QWERTZ, etc. I assume the phones from other manufacturers do so as well. It's simply not necessary to include this only for the IXI (which I still don't believe should be here). Hypnotist uk 07:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I can't find any reference to the IXI Ogo2.0 being a smartphone - not on IXI's own site, not on the news sites, and not in a Google search. It also doesn't seem to offer a significantly greater feature set than most 'featurephones' (unlike the other phones listed). So I'm deleting it. Happy to hear arguments for why it should return. Hypnotist uk 14:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IXI Ogo2.0 

message: This isn't very hard.  The referenced article is about Smartphones.  It is the same source used before.
"Canalys estimates that global smart phone shipments for the full year reached 64.1 million units, up from 39.4 million in 2005, equating to annual growth of 63%. Wireless handheld shipments in 2006 rose 44% from 5.3 million in 2005 to 7.5 million, overtaking their unconnected handheld predecessors. Shipments of the latter fell 33% to 5.6 million units.
In operating system terms, for the full year, Canalys estimates that Symbian had 67% share, up from 63% in 2005, Microsoft was in second with a slightly reduced 14% share, RIM came in third on 7% followed by Linux on 6% and ACCESS/PalmSource with the Garnet OS on 5%. " -- KelleyCook 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the referenced article is the Canalys article, then it's about "smart mobile devices", a category that appears to include "smart phones" (to use Canalys' spelling), "wireless handhelds", and "handhelds" (presumably those are "unconnected handhelds").  If the 5.6 million unconnected handhelds are included in the OS market share numbers, then, unless you somehow determine how many of the Microsoft and Garnet devices are "unconnected handhelds" (are there any Windows CE or Palm OS/Garnet devices being shipped without any networking?) and how many of the devices listed are "wireless handhelds", you can't determine from those numbers what the OS market shares are for smartphones. Guy Harris 22:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So why can't we use the figures from the "Worldwide smart mobile device market, Canalys Q2 2007" report as Symbian does? Given the Canalys report linked is a) from Feb 07 (and thus covers Q4 2006), b) in abstract only and c) doesn't cover Smartphones as distinct from "smart mobile devices", it seems ridiculous to use the earlier, less accurate figures. Hypnotist uk 07:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Hypnotist uk 09:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Market Share 

message: Hardly one of "[t]he most common operating systems (OS) used in smartphones", is it? Hypnotist uk 07:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I can live with it as it only has 0.3% less share than Palm, by the latest figures. Hypnotist uk 09:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mac OS X's "proper spot" 

message: Can someone explain to me how Apple had smartphone marketshare in Q2 of 2007? I'm going to have to remove this unless someone can justify these bogus figures.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmathies (talk • contribs) 22:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The iPhone was released two days before Q2 end, and saw substantial sales that weekend. Besides, the figures come from Canalys (via Symbian's website), a reputable analyst in this space. Hypnotist uk 05:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPhone Q2 2007 Marketshare??? 

message: This page now rocks.  I love the chart.  Mathiastck 21:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great chart 

message: Why are RIM devices considered smartphones? They seem only to run sandboxed Java apps and web applets, and beyond that all they really do that most featurephones don't is push email... Hypnotist uk 07:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackberrys as smartphones