Talk:Hoboken, New Jersey

message: Not much night life in Hoboken?? It's about the only NJ town that does have some. Visit Washington St. around 2nd, 3rd and 4th streets and River St. near the Path at midnight on any weekend night. You'll be hard-pressed to name a single Manhattan neighborhood that's as jumping... This article needs to be corrected on this point and should include a paragraph on the astonishing turnaround in Hoboken from the 1970s-- it went from down-at-the-heels laughingstock to a surprising vibrancy. It might also be mentioned that the number of beautiful girls/women per acre is higher than anywhere outside perhaps certain sections of Manhattan, Paris & Buenos Aires. JDG 14:10, 26 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Where in the article is/was it indicated that there was not much night life in Hoboken? Is that passage still in the article? Nightscream (talk) 01:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Night life

message: JDG, others, I'm sorry about whatever went wrong with my edit yesterday.  I was tracking the contributions of User:67.81.177.1, who appeared to be overwriting information on a couple of different articles.  (I think now that s/he may also have been an innocent in whatever problem WP was having yesterday.)  This user no longer appears in Hoboken's edit history, but this is the diff I was attempting to correct, and this, I believe, is my edit to fix it, although it's attributed here to Xezbeth.  The diff on my edit from both the Hoboken history and my Contributions list shows something radically different, so I can understand your ire, but I was doing routine followup on an anon who had caused problems on another article on my watchlist, not trying to get involved in this article.  I have no connection or interest with Hoboken or its mayoral race.  Check in at the Village Pump; I believe there's been a rash of problems with edit histories -- edits recorded at the wrong UTC time (and thus sorting out of order), edits attributed to the wrong editor, section edits mixed up  half a dozen different ways....   In any case, I'm sorry for the confusion, I hope I've explained it clearly, and I hope we can get it sorted out soon.  — Catherine\talk 20:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: History glitches

message: There are three categories listing people of significance: Noteworthy residents, Born in Hoboken and Active in Hoboken. I'll grant that the Born in category helps distinguish between people who merely happened to be born in Hoboken, but played no significant role while they were a Hoboken resident. But how can we distinguish between the two other categories, and don't they just add to the confusion by being in separate places in the article? Alansohn 07:30, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noteworthy vs. Born in vs. Active in 

message: Another cited spelling can be "Hopoghan", which will be added to the section.
At the time of Dutch exploration and settlement in North America, Der Nederlanden (The Lowlands) included all the provinces that make up The Netherlands and much of Belguim. Then, as today, each province had a specific dialect. Most settlers did indeed originate from below the Maas (in Holland) or around the Schelde (in Flanders), though there were many Walloons, who were French speaking. Then, as today, the Lowlands, was "multicultural" society, which relied on its linguistic resourcefulness to do business. One can imagine that without a common language, the Lenape and the Lowlanders started to exchange gestures, sounds, words. "Hobocan"
is likely a European spelling of a sound. "Hoog" "hoger" in Dutch/Flemish means high/higher or tall/taller. When seen from the river the outcropping at Castle Point likely appeared higher than the riparian lands surrounding it. I go for the Dutch/English derivation of the Lenape.
Who knows what Stevens was thinking? His use of the word doesn't seem to found anywhere until he bought the land. Weehawken, which also can sound Dutch, does not share the confusion, and has more citations.Djflem 20:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fallen-sandwich story is just a boy's story. I've added the real ethymology, and thought it better to make a separate section for it. 62.233.4.3 10:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Are there references for the Guiness Book "most bars" claim & the Springsteen "Glory Days" shoot? The layout of the bar in "Glory Days" looks absolutely nothing like Maxwells.
This section should be removed alltogether and/or have it's own article. It is random, incomplete, often poorly written, don't you think?
I have re-located the trivia sub section to the end of the article. It has become unwieldy, random, incidental, filled with details that are too specific in the greater context.
though many NJ towns can support such a section it's time the one for Hoboken be removed.
If there is an interest in mentioning filmic, musical, historical, or comical events that have taken place in the city, perhaps there should be another site. This a vote for it's removalDjflem 18:36, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't find any proof but I was always told that many of the early settlers were from the Antwerpen suburb of Hoboken.
Amsterdam where many of the settlers left from was in itself mostly founded by people from Antwerpen, again many from Hoboken.
Jorgenpfhartogs (talk) 01:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: And yup, it's the Hoboken from Belgium that I'm typing this from.  Small world I'd say.  Oh and by the way, with regards to the "Origin of Name" part up there - we don't quite speak Dutch down here, but Flemish.  Granted, the difference between the two is pretty much of the same relation as with British English and American English, but still. --81.240.50.86 13:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dutch is de official language of Flanders... 62.233.4.3 10:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No it isn't. Flemish is. 89.213.8.132 12:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not it isn't.  Dutch is.  You do speak Flemish, but there is no such thing as the Flemish language. Rp (talk) 15:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greetings from Hoboken! 

message: While what is described in this section may be true, it's very POV and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia.--Rotten 04:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While you may be correct, strictly speaking, about its unencyclopedic nature, I find that section to be very entertaining, easily readable and as you said, quite true. I don't think it's POV exactly. What "view" is it espousing? That there's a charming rhythm of work and leisure in this small city? What is the "view" that would be held in opposition to this? I think it would be a shame to completely remove it. It's really one of the things that I find maddening about Wikipedia; that harmless, uncontroversial personal observations like this great little piece of literature must be excised because of some unyielding adherence to standards of citability. I realize it needs to be changed, but I do hope there's some source that can be cited to keep some of it intact.Armandtanzarian 17:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character 

message: I'm one of those who has contributed to the wave of sloppy re-writes over the past year and I'm curious to see what you do.
This article has been subjected to a wave of very sloppy rewrites over the past year, particularly in the History and Character sections. I intend to completely overhaul the page starting in July `07, barring any valid objections on this Discussion page. JDG 22:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice of intention to overhaul 

message: ==== First Cricket Match ====
It was played at the saint georges cricket club not in hoboken
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1840S/1844/OTHERS/USA_CAN_24-25SEP1844.html--Geekattack10 05:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wrong. My apologies to all and thanks to the editor(s} who reverted my edits. Student7 (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Baseball

message: It was played at the saint georges cricket club not in hoboken
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1840S/1844/OTHERS/USA_CAN_24-25SEP1844.html--Geekattack10 05:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Cricket Match 

message: The discussion of where baseball began will no doubt continue....
It would be wise to add citation re: Pittfield's new claim, based on a 1770s ordinance
prohibiting the the playing of "baseball" on the town green so that new-installed glass windows
(town hall, church school???) would not be broken. Article in local newspapers Berkshire Eagle or Berkshire Record in September 2008--Djflem (talk) 07:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wrong. My apologies to all and thanks to the editor(s} who reverted my edits. Student7 (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pittsfield

message: While an editor can quote booster c-of-c stuff that claim that people in Hudson use such-and-such airport, where are the actual statistics WP:FOOT that demonstrate this? Also, how small a percentage do you allow before excluding an airport, or is one person per year enough? Some people doubtless drive to Philly to use their airport-not. BWI? Boston? Albany? Where does one begin to draw the line when all objectivity has gone out the window? I dare say more people in Hoboken have visited Disneyworld than have used Laguardia airport. Why can't I use Disney in the statistics?Student7 (talk) 02:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't people just say "airports within 50km are...." or something. YellowMonkey  (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Supporting references

message: Hoboken may or may not be a bedroom community, but that does not necessarily qualify that characteristic being in the header. One could as easily include: It is home to Steven Tech It is site of many firsts in the USA, including baseball. The American classic On the Waterfront was shot there. 100,000 commuters pass through it train station everyday. All the these examples are mentioned somewhere in the appropriate section in the articleDjflem (talk) 02:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: One has to sympathize with communities of the East which were once on a par with nearby cities and had their own identity and history, but were eventually swallowed up. As opposed to Western US cities who expanded sometimes beyond their boundaries but often had the political ability to include new areas and who were responsible for their suburbs from the outset. It seems a bit of a travesty to reduce and dismiss Hoboken to a mere "suburb" somehow. Student7 (talk) 22:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  opening paragraph 

message: These have been moved here from a subpage as part of a cleanup process. See Wikipedia:Discontinuation of comments subpages.
While it's obvious that a LOT of work has gone into this article, I've downgraded it to a "C" because it fails to meet the "Suitably Referenced" criterion for a "B". shirulashem (talk) 01:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comments

message: the word "Manhattanites" in the The 19th century section should link to the wiki page for this term:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattanites
Fredmertz624 (talk) 14:22, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Manhattanite article describes a 2008 film, and not the group of people referenced in the Hoboken article. Nightscream (talk) 15:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Fredmertz624, 17 November 2010 

message: I believe the link the to city of Hoboken website is broken. Correct me if I'm wrong.  Beepoppab (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The link is fine and points to the correct address, but it seems like the city's web site is down right now. Something is broken, but it's not here. Jim Miller  See me | Touch me 20:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Hoboken City Website

message: How come this is not a good article? I have read through it and believe it meets the criteria. How would one nominate this as a good article? –Tinton5 (talk) 16:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at it a second time, I suppose it could use a few more citations. Tinton5 (talk) 20:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article 

message: Is the name "Hoboken" of Native American origin or was it named after Hoboken district of Antwerp, Belgium?~~(User:CalicoCatLover) 11:19, 8 January 2012 (PST)~~
:That's explained in the second paragraph of the History section, my fellow calico lover. :-) Nightscream (talk) 20:14, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Origin 

message: Something important is missing here, isn't it? Hoboken does have one of the world's best know zoological gardens. ... Ok, it's a fictional one. ... Ok, it is not so much well known as notorious but the Hoboken Zoo is an important theme in The Penguins of Madagascar and in ep.50 we even got to see it.Markus Becker02 (talk) 17:07, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable media appearances 

message: "The homelessness problem is addressed by the Hoboken Homeless Shelter, one of the three homeless shelters in the county.[72]"<<This lone sentence opens up the "demographics" section and it's completely awkward.  It's cited, so I didn't remove it, but can we incorporate it somewhere else for better flow?  Or possibly expand on it and stick it later on as a sub-heading of demographics?? I feel like a tourist (talk) 14:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: I think someone has been messing with the intro of the article? Empress Alexandra Butler??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CosimoM (talk • contribs) 20:08, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro wrong