Talk:Child and adolescent psychiatry

message: :I moved this comment that was posted to the main article. Chupper 03:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering its unreferenced, I've removed the criticisms section. Chupper 03:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: === Censorship ===
It is censorship to remove text just because you don't agree with it without discussion.
In fact, the problemns of reliability and validity of psychiatric diagnosis are acknowledged within the profession and supported by research evidence - most of this focused on adults but the research with children shows that these problems are even greater.
I don't have time, over the next two weeks, to provide references, but I certainly will do this.
The position that paragraph takes is one supported by significant members of the psychiatric profession in Britain - Sami Timimi for example, also members of the academic community and the critical psychiatry adherents.
Please put the text back, cease your censorship, and engage in a proper discussion - I won't be able to do this, though, for the next two weeks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Birchmore (talk • contribs) 06:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, one more thing.  Nearly 40% of this article's text is in the "Criticisms" section.  We have to keep the article NPOV by keeping it balanced.  Beyond adding references to the criticisms section, it would be helpful if you could add in information about the profession, why its a subspecialty of psychiatry, etc.  Chupper 17:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of content 

message: It is censorship to remove text just because you don't agree with it without discussion.
In fact, the problemns of reliability and validity of psychiatric diagnosis are acknowledged within the profession and supported by research evidence - most of this focused on adults but the research with children shows that these problems are even greater.
I don't have time, over the next two weeks, to provide references, but I certainly will do this.
The position that paragraph takes is one supported by significant members of the psychiatric profession in Britain - Sami Timimi for example, also members of the academic community and the critical psychiatry adherents.
Please put the text back, cease your censorship, and engage in a proper discussion - I won't be able to do this, though, for the next two weeks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Birchmore (talk • contribs) 06:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship 

message: Birchmore - a few things.
# This isn't censorship - it's the fact that it is unreferenced.  Unreferenced information can be removed at any time.  That and the fact that Wikipedia frowns upon "criticism" sections are the reasons it was removed.  However I've thrown up tags instead of just removing the content again.  When working with editors, please assume good faith.  I'm not here to censor you and I'm not out here to get you ;).
#Please stop reinserting the comment made by the user with the IP "68.175.59.81".  He/she was making a comment about the article, not improving the article.  As you should be able to see above, I've moved that comment here.
#Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by using "~~~~".
Thanks. Chupper 16:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, one more thing.  Nearly 40% of this article's text is in the "Criticisms" section.  We have to keep the article NPOV by keeping it balanced.  Beyond adding references to the criticisms section, it would be helpful if you could add in information about the profession, why its a subspecialty of psychiatry, etc.  Chupper 17:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response 

message: This article seems to need quite a lot of work. I would suggest the priorities are:
* Fix the referencing - they need to be changed to in-line citations in the Vancouver style.
* Find citations for much of the text (I've started putting in  tags).
* Expand the "Practice" section. This can include a description of the main interventions and therapeutic approaches.
* Write something about the scope of child and adolescent psychiatry, including an outline of the disorders seen within C&A psychiatric practice, with links to the main articles on each disorder.
* Theoretical foundations: with subheadings including child psychology, neurodevelopment, psychoanalysis, family systems, attachment theory, trauma theory 
* The Psychiatry article, although far from perfect, gives some pointers as to what could be included here.
--Anonymaus (talk) 23:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work to be done 

message: The references below have been moved here from the article, because they didnt link directly with the text or because they were incomplete. You are welcome to return references to the article but please use the inline referencing system (i.e. Insert footnote text here. You might find these templates useful:
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You are also welcome to add useful references to this list, for future use. 
*American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition. Washington DC, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.
*Ash, P. The Reliability of Psychiatric Diagnosis. Journal of Abnormal Social Psychology v. 44 (1949), pp. 272–276.
*Barbour and Allen B. Caring for Patients: a Critique of the Medical Model. Stanford, Ca.: Stanford University Press, 1995. 
*Bean, Philip. Mental Illness: Changes and Trends. New York: John Wiley and Sons, 1983. 
*Barker, Philip (2004). Basic Child Psychiatry. Blackwell.
*Beck, A.T. et al. Reliability of Psychiatric Diagnosis. American Journal of Psychiatry v. 119 (October), pp. 351–357. 
*Boorse, Christopher. "What a Theory of Mental Health Should Be." Journal of the Theory of Social Behavior, 6 (1976): 61-84. 
*Costello, Anthony J. (1986). Assessment And Diagnosis Of Affective Disorders In Children Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 27 (5), 565–574.
*Farber, Seth. Transcending Medicalism. Journal of Mind and Behaviour, v. 8(1) (1987) pp. 105–132. 
*Freeman, H (1999). A Century of Psychiatry. Mosby.
*Hoagwood, K. & Jensen, P S. (1997). Developmental Psychopathology and the Notion of Culture: Introduction to the Special Section on "The Fusion of Cultural Horizons: Cultural Influences on the Assessment of Psychopathology in Children and Adolescents". Applied Developmental Science, Vol. 1.
*Hooper, S R, et al. (1992). Child Psychopathology: Diagnostic Criteria and Clinical Assessment. Lawrence Erlbaum Associates.
*Jensen, P S et al. (1993). Child and Adolescent Psychopathology Research: Problems and Prospects for the 1990s. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology, Vol. 21.
*Jensen, P S (2003). Comorbidity and Child Psychopathology: Recommendations for the Next Decade. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology, Vol. 31. 
*Jewell, S W. (2002). A Win-Win Relationship: Re-ed and Child Psychiatry. Reclaiming Children and Youth, Vol. 11.
*Jones, K. W. (1999). Taming the Troublesome Child: American Families, Child Guidance, and the Limits of Psychiatric Authority. Harvard University Press.
*Kaplan and Saddock. Comprehensive Textbook of Psychiatry: Sixth Edition. Williams and Wilkins, 1995.
*Kim, W. (2003) Academic Psychiatry; 27:277–282.
*Kobayashi, Futoshi (1999). Cultural Differences and Similarities in Terms of Child and Adolescent Psychopathology. 
*Laufer, M. (1997). Adolescent Breakdown and Beyond. Karnac Books.
*Maddux, J E et al. (2005). Psychopathology: Foundations for a Contemporary Understanding. Lawrence Erlbaum. 
*Mehlman, B. "The Reliability of Psychiatric Diagnosis." Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology v. 47 (1952), pp. 577–578. 
*Parron, D L. (1997). The Fusion of Cultural Horizons: Cultural Influences on the Assessment of Psychopathology on Children. Applied Developmental Science, Vol. 1.
*Pies,Ronald (2007).  How “Objective” Are Psychiatric Diagnoses? (Guess Again). Psychiatry, October (2007).*Sadler, John. Z., Osborne P. Wiggins, and Michael. A. Schwartz, (editors). Philosophical Perspectives on Psychiatric Classification. (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1994).
*Timimi, Sami (2002). Pathological Child Psychiatry and the Medicalization of Childhood. Brunner-Routledge.
*Timimi, Sami (2005). Naughty Boys: Anti-social Behaviour, ADHD and the Role of Culture. Palgrave Macmillan.
*Timimi, Sami (2006). Critical Voices in Child and Adolescent Mental Health. Free Association Books.
*Wakefield, Jerome C. "The Concept of Mental Disorder: On the Boundary Between Biological Facts and Social Values." American Psychologist 47, no. 3. (1992): 373-88.
Thanks
--Anonymaus (talk) 22:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: : The outcome of the story that you keep linking as an example of overprescription was that the parents were convicted of murder by intentionally administering an overdose of medications. They tried to claim it was accident, hence some initial reports about overprescription, but in the end, it was found to be murder. —PermStrump(talk) 21:30, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overprescription 

message: I am hoping to add a section about psychosocial assessments in youth behavioural health. For instance, the digital Check Yourself assessment is being used in schools and clinics to help screen for mental health issues in youth and direct them to the counseling services they need. Such initiatives have been very successful. Check Yourself is also validated by research: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2733175. Can we publish this? 
Child and adolescent psychiatry - Assessment
In order to identify at-risk youth and direct them to psychiatric services, many schools have implemented universal mental health screening for their students. For instance, schools in King County, Washington are using the Check Yourself digital screening tool, designed by Seattle Children’s Hospital, to measure, understand, and nurture individual students’ well-being.http://teenhealthcheck.org This tool collects information about lifestyle, behaviour, and social determinants of health to identify at-risk youth so that school counselors can intervene and direct them to the services they need.www.jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2733175  Following screening with Check Yourself, interventions may include referral to a child psychiatrist for further assessment. 
Paprika 22:37, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add blurb about electronic youth psychiatric assessments in schools 

message: I propose that Child psychopathology be merged into Child and adolescent psychiatry. They literally refer to the exact same topic. CAP is my proposed destination because its the most widely used term for this field (I've heard the phrase childhood psychopathology and psychopathology in/of children, but never child psychopathology). --Xurizuri (talk) 08:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello . Actually although the content is similar I think these are about different topics and both I think are quite notable and broad. One is about psychiatry (the medical speciality) and I think the other is about mental disorders in children. Following the naming of other articles, how about a move to Mental health in children? (Mental health) or Mental disorders affecting children (following mental disorder)? We can both work on it together once it's moved. Tom (LT) (talk) 04:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , you have a good point about that being a potential difference - a small rotation in perspective (I didn't realise because I have personally also used CAP to refer to mental disorders in children). Problem is, we appear to already have Mental disorders diagnosed in childhood. There is also pediatric psychology but that appears to describe a field, and Epidemiology of child psychiatric disorders, which is a strange thing to have given there is no article "Child psychiatric disorders" (it redirects to the epidemiology article). So, perhaps a complex multi-part merge? --Xurizuri (talk) 08:56, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait... I've done some more thinking. Given that both the DSM and ICD have shed their childhood disorders category, in favour of putting the childhood "versions" of disorders into the category with the adulthood "versions", an article on paediatric conditions may have a very vague scope. It may be unwise to settle on a name before there is any specific scope set. While trying to find any articles with related naming for my previous comment, I noticed there was no article about youth mental health, despite it being a very important space - one, because young people are more susceptible, and two, because almost everyone that experiences psychiatric disorders will have had some experience of mental illness before they were 25. It may at this point be a good idea to continue this conversation at the child psychopathology article. I'm going to close this merge proposal. --Xurizuri (talk) 09:17, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

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