Talk:Tigran Petrosian

message: Something needs to be added here about the fact that it was a sham match.
Korchnoi lost (threw?) the first game, then the rest are dull draws.
This stinks, even taking "Iron Tigran" into account.
The match was rigged. The story seems to be that there had been a private discussion among the players and Soviet chess authorities in which each of them was asked about their chances against Fischer.   Korchnoi, the more honest and objective of the pair, expressed doubt while Petrosion expressed unjustified (in view of the USSR vs The Rest of the World result, showing that Fischer had his number) and self-serving confidence.  The decision was made that Korchnoi would throw the match to advance Petrosion to meet Fischer.  Korchnoi took the obligatory loss followed by meaningless draws and it is no surprise that it was "dull".  This unjustified confidence was fully exposed in the subsequent challengers final when but for a single loss followed by three draws while Fischer recovered from a cold, Petrosian went down almost as dramatically as the two prior 6-0 matches.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jszigeti (talk • contribs) 13:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 1971 match with Korchnoi 

message: I'm afraid I can't make sense of this sentence:
:Mikhail resigned from playing chess leaving Petrosian's title at his side for 6 years.
Petrosian played Spassky for the world championship in 1966 (as the article says), three years after he played Botvinnik, so I'm not sure where "6 years" comes from. It's true that Botvinnik didn't claim his right to a rematch the year after he lost, but that's not what this says, of course. --Camembert
" This led many to call his style boring, but this criticism is unfair."
A rather weak comeback?
-- CJWilly
:Agreed. I have removed the lines discussing the "boringness" of his play. --Malathion 02:44, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Maybe I missed something, but it seems that this article is without appropriate attribution used in the Citizendium. The basics of the article there was founded November 2006 as a simple copy-paste from then version of this article here. I do not know where the problems like this are solved. Thanks. Okino (talk) 17:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article used in Citizendium without notice 

message: Summing up a game between Petrosian and Spassky, Cozens makes this observation, “One watches Spassky take the initiative and mount lordly attacks on both wings.  Nothing decisive emerges, and around moves 25-30 it begins to dawn that most of the good squares on the board are occupied by Petrosian’s pieces.  A few more moves and Spassky can see nothing for it but to resign." -- Irving Chernev, The Chess Companion (1968)
I didn't want risk messing up the formatting syntax by trying to add it myself.  One could render the name as [W.H.] Cozens, as that's probably who it was. WHPratt (talk) 18:39, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested for the Quotations section 

message: Gonna add things here as I think of them, feel free to add to the list. Sasata (talk) 05:57, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Towards FAC 

message: "He seemed content drawing against weaker players and maintaining his title of Grandmaster rather than improving his chess or making an attempt at becoming World Champion."
Firstly, there is no need to maintain a GM title. Secondly, who felt that he "seemed content"?--Jrm2007 (talk) 22:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable sentence 

message: Many years ago I read a Petrosian biography somewhere, where it was mentioned that he was deaf and wore a hearing aid, which occasionally led to strange situations during his games. E.g. I remember a story, when he offered a draw to his opponent, who quickly refused in surprise, but then changed his mind in seconds and re-offered the draw to Petrosian - however Petrosian already switched off his hearing aid in the meantime, and did not react at all, instead went ahead and won the game
I now looked around briefly, and e.g. this article seems to indicate that Hubner once even withdrew from his candidates match against Petrosian because the location was too noisy, which bothered him, but not the deaf Petrosian
I suppose this fact would worth mentioning in the article? 
Gruen (talk) 15:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  deafness 

message: Defending the title in 1966 is mentioned but a section about losing the title in 1969 should be clearly marked since it's almost not mentioned or at least appended to the section title "Reigning World Champion (1963–1969)" comon losing the title to Spassky is not worth mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.241.146 (talk) 18:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you; like many of Wikipedia's articles, this is a work in progress. Feel free to be bold and add info yourself if you have sources that you can cite. Otherwise, check back in a few months... there's a couple of interested editors who have this article on the backburner :) Sasata (talk) 18:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1969 losing the title should be in a section by itself 

message: At the time Tigran was active Armwenia has no sovereignty and was part of USSR therefore he was soviet-armenian world chess champion. For comparison, Tal was born to jewish parents in independent latvia in 1936 and still he is rightfully called "soveit -latvian grandmaster" by wiki.Tigran was born in USSR to armenian parents. Why I say this is because all attempts at retrospective change of history do no good as to objective understanding of truth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.254.230.163 (talk) 15:20, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Armenian" world ches champion?? 

message: No mention of his being a KGB agent and how he spied on and manipulated his fellow Russian players, even to the petty extent of stealing an airline ticket off Korchnoi. I will write this up further and amend the main article when i have time.
Pdcoates (talk) 23:09, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: He did not manipulate his "fellow Russian" players since he wasn't Russian. If you are going to add anything along these lines a source is absolutely essential, and even then it should most likely be reported as allegations rather than facts. If your only source is Gulko and Korchnoi in The KGB Plays Chess it's probably not good enough to include. MaxBrowne (talk) 01:26, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Fully behind MaxBrowne here. If you want to include it OK, but it will be considered controversial and will need really good sources, otherwise it'll be removed quickly.Jkmaskell (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great chess player, failed human being. 

message: I don't see anything in the main article about Tigran Petrosian being banned for life from playing on the Chess.com server for using computer assistance in the final so here are a few references:
The final of the Chess.com Pro Chess League was overshadowed by a cheating incident. The Chess.com Fair Play Team came to the conclusion that the Armenian Grandmaster Tigran Petrosian, who played for the Armenian Eagles, the team that had won the finals and the tournament, had used computer assistance in the final. The Armenian Eagles were deprived of victory, and Tigran Petrosian was banned for life from playing on the Chess.com server.
Chess.com investigated the allegations and came to the conclusion that Petrosian had violated the fair play rules. Some of this games are conspicuously flawless and his moves are consistent with engine suggestions. The players were monitored by webcams during the games, but during the games Petrosian often looked down, allegedly to get access to computer assistance. Chess.com also came to the conclusion that Petrosian had used computer assistance during the semi-final matches.
Chess.com then deprived the Armenian Eagles of their victory, and declared the Saint Louis Arch Bishops the winners of the final. Tigran Petrosian's server access was deleted and he was banned for life from playing on the Chess.com server.Chess News. "Cheating controversy at Pro Chess League" October 5,2020.
Here is another reference:
The Eagles’ victory rested on the performance of Tigran Petrosian, an Armenian grandmaster and the world No 260, who stunned commentators with his victory over Fabiano Caruana, ranked second in the world.
Petrosian attributed his play to the gin he sipped during the game. But suspicious observers suggested he seemed to be glancing away from his screen frequently, and chess.com later overturned the team’s wins and banned him for life.
Petrosian later called the claims “idiotic, invented allegations”. He posted a lengthy rant addressed to another opponent, the world No 8 Wesley So: “You are a biggest looser [sic] I ever seen in my life! You was doing PiPi in your pampers when I was beating players much more stronger than you!… you are like a girl crying after I beat you!”
So, for his part, told the Guardian in an email that he felt sorry for Petrosian. Perhaps thinking of Lance Armstrong, he added: “I was a big fan of a certain cyclist and a part of me understands the pressure to succeed at all costs. At the same time I feel pain for other competitors ... Who will restore what was taken from them?”The Guardian. "Chess's cheating crisis: 'paranoia has become the culture'" by Archie Bland. October 16, 2020
I will leave it to others to decide how to incorporate this information into the main article.
2600:1700:DC50:5560:107:C1C:721B:CAB0 (talk) 03:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Tigran Petrosian banned for life from Chess.com server for cheating

message: Sorry, I did not realize when I made the post that the cheating referred to Tigran L. Petrosian. I guess the fact that Tigran Petrosian died in 1984 should have been the tip-off. LOL
2600:1700:DC50:5560:107:C1C:721B:CAB0 (talk) 03:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorry, Wrong Tigran Petrosian