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message: Both of the revivals should be split as they should be considered separate series. The Suite Life of Zack & Cody and The Suite Life on Deck aren't one article; these shouldn't be all part of the same article, either. I'm not sure about the first revival, but with the second revival, the production codes even indicate a first season and the press releases refer to it as a brand new series. I've already got a sandbox for the 2018 series and could easily make one for the first revival series. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:33, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Liza Koshy hosts the current Double Dare, not Marc Summers. Marc Summers is the announcer this go-around. And if Nickelodeon is considering this revival "season one," that's even more reason to at least split out the 2018 version, given that and the fact that it's been about 18 years since Double Dare 2000. Virtually almost everyone born in 2000 and later will have no idea of the original version and first revival. Also, the promos themselves didn't even promote it as a revival. Promos: , , , , ,  Except for, like, two, all of the promos treated this as a new series, and even those two didn't specifically mention revival, just coming back. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Most, if not all of the promos you posted either a) refer to this as the "all new!" Double Dare to indicate that these are new episodes, and not repeats or b) actively refer to elements of the past. Promo 2 is literally all about how this old show people loved has returned. Nickelodeon's classifications for this series follow other game shows, as well. ABC isn't treating their current version of The $100,000 Pyramid as a continuation, even though the show aired on their network before. It's in its third season to them. How a program is promoted and listed internally, to me, is inconsequential to how it is classified in a scholastic manner when it follows a distinct, linear path parallel to many examples of how game shows are organized at Wikipedia. — Chad1m  Email Talk  Cont. 18:44, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I do see what you mean about people born in 2000, but that would mainly apply to those who aren't hardcore fans of Nickelodeon. I don't know if Double Dare was ever shown on TV in the early 2000's, but I was born in 2000, and remember watching Legends of the Hidden Temple every morning before going to elementary school. I know Double Dare is older (30th anniversary last year), but LotHT was originally aired 93-95, and I remember watching it. I never really watched the original Double Dare or the Double Dare 2000 revival, but fans of Nickelodeon probably know their stuff, especially if they watch the other Nickelodeon channels like The Splat or even look at their Facebook page, where they post stuff like, "On this day 28 years ago, Nickelodeon Studios opened." (https://www.facebook.com/NickSplat/videos/221821135215027/) I may not be a 90's kid, but I definitely know a lot of the shows from the 90's, especially after watching episodes of the shows on YouTube or some other site. Also, the original Figure It Out aired 97-99, the revival aired 12-13. Between the end of the OG and start of the revival, that is 13 years between them. While that may be insignificant since it's been longer between Double Dare 2000 and this current revival (18 years), but there are a few things to keep in mind too. (Also typing this out after finishing typing all of this- Completely forgot about Super Sloppy Double Dare and Family Double Dare. Those happened too.) Not every show has disappeared into existence. Episodes of older shows air (or for some, have aired) on The Splat, Nick GAS, TeenNick, etc. Figure It Out (according to the Wikipedia page) had repeats airing on Nick GAS until 2007, while Double Dare has had live shows at the Nickelodeon Suites Resort. Not 100% if reruns ever aired on it, but can't find anything on it atm. Whether Nickelodeon considers it a revival or not, it basically is a revival since the definition is, "an instance of something becoming popular, active, or important again.", or, "a new production of an old play or similar work." The show did end in the past, no matter if there were 1, 2, 3, or even 0 revivals of it in the past, this is still considered a revival.
And finally, to end off my long response (Sorry for so much to read through, lol), take a look at Nick's two press releases about the show:
1. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180425006283/en/It%E2%80%99s-Time-%E2%80%9CAnswer-Question-Physical-Challenge%E2%80%9D-Nickelodeon - April 25, 2018, revival announced
2. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180522005805/en/Double-Returns-Nickelodeon-Beginning-Monday-June-25 - May 22, 2018, host + new details announced, premiere date announced
Both of these PRs call it things referring to it as a revival. "Nickelodeon is bringing back the original kids’ game show", "40 brand-new episodes, giving a new generation of fans", "iconic game show’s return", "the brand-new version of Double Dare" Magitroopa (talk) 21:45, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Both revival series should be split out 

message: If there is a tie at the end of round two there are four possible solutions:
* (a) the team who completed the physical challenge in the fastest time at the beginning of round two advances to the bonus round,
* (b) a tiebreaker physical challenge is played between both teams, with the winner advancing to the bonus round, 
* (c) a sudden death question is asked to both teams, with the first team to buzz-in with the correct answer advancing to the bonus round, or
* (d) both teams play in the bonus round, with the team going through the most obstacles being declared the winner.
Which of these is the correct tiebreaker? J4lambert (talk) 00:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: None of them. Modern technology allows the show to be edited to fit in a whole game with a winner. — Chad1m  Email Talk  Cont. 03:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a reliable source that clarifies the tiebreaker rule... J4lambert (talk) 12:17, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Tiebreaker rules

message: If we're going to keep the main page dedicated to all of the different series instead of splitting it out per the discussion above, then we at least need to have better organization and either have a "List of Double Dare episodes" page or "Double Dare (season 1)" and so on pages.
* Support either option as proposer. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think it would be unreasonable for someone to create a season page and link to the mainpage. As long as there's enough content to justify the article existing on the mainspace I don't think it really matters if it airs weekly, daily, or even hourly. Esuka323 (talk) 14:52, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't consider that a valid rationale for an "oppose", because it's effectively a WP:OSE argument – IOW, just because some "game shows" don't merit separate LoE articles does not mean that all game show articles shouldn't have one. This particular game show includes unique episode titles. In addition, I'm pretty sure based on Amaury's draft that there will be sufficient sourcing to demonstrate notability for the 2018 version. The use of "celebrity" contestants also makes this one different than something like Wheel of Fortune, and enhances its notability. Therefore, something like a separate "season" or LoE article looks to be justified in this case. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:58, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

text:  How does the GSWP handle panel game shows? This particular show format seems similar to those in that one of the features of panel game shows seems to be the incidence of "celebrity guest stars". The new Double Dare appears to follow in that vein, and I think the "celebrity contestant" angle pushes this one over the line into justifying some kind of LoE or "season" type article... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I confess, I'm not too familiar with panel game shows. Perhaps this AFD could provide some insight; of course, it was over four years ago, but still. List of Hollywood Game Night episodes was deleted; List of QI episodes is a featured list. Admittedly, it does seem there is a lack of consistency there. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 01:02, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, that Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hollywood Game Night episodes discussion does seem to be directly relevant here, as it contains a list of both (game show) LoE articles deleted, and other (game show, esp. panel show) LoE that do (still) exist... The most relevant discussion to this one, though, may be Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Figure It Out episodes – that was not a well attended discussion, and there was definitely a split on the notability on that one.  (I'm actually going to make a WP:REFUND request-to-draft on that one, because I want to see what kind of shape it was in when it was deleted...) I think if we approach the 2018 version's article as being more of a "season" article than a "LoE" article, then it may meet the notability-type guidelines set forth by WP:TV. So I think some of us are going to work on Amaury's userspace draft with that approach. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apologizing in advance, but confused a bit with all that was just said. I have actually already been helping on Amaury's draft for Double Dare 2018 whenever new episode names are found or when episodes have name changes, but are we just having a list of 2018 episodes or will we get around (eventually) to listing all the Double Dare episodes from all the different years/series? Magitroopa (talk) 03:52, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  If we can find episode guides for 2000 and the original and its expansions (eg, Super Sloppy). Problem is finding such guides. Zap2it has some info on Super Sloppy Double Dare, but not a lot. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did say earlier on in this that I run Double Dare Wikia (again, not advertising) and someone (not me) put on an episode guideof all the different episodes. Not entirely sure how accurate it is, but I'm sure if we do find another source and compare them, if they are similar, then I am sure it is accurate. Most of the episodes are also able to be found online when you look it up, but not sure what information you'll get on it. From comparing the Wikia episode guide to other sites like IMDb, it seems like the order of the episodes are correct, but cannot find any sources on the airdates on any site other than the Wikia. Magitroopa (talk) 06:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since not all episode titles, air dates, and information are available for the show between 1986 and 1989, and especially not with trustworthy sources, there would be no way to construct a full series episode guide that would be veriable by encyclopedic standards. I have done plenty of research in databases and archives for this article, and without accessing Nickelodeon's library, there is no concrete, complete way to achieve this. I do not see the point in having a list of one or two seasons when the rest of the series cannot be represented. — Chad1m  Email Talk  Cont. 18:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Doesn't mean a separate LOE for the revival is unnecessary, and honestly, it's all the more reason why the revival should have been split out. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose separate list of episodes page or season pages 

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This schedule appeared in the San Francisco Examiner on February 6, but it is for tomorrow night. If you scroll down, you'll see that it was listed for 6:00-7:00 p.m.--2600:6C50:27F:889A:F063:D524:ED2B:4A9 (talk) 23:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tournament of Champions was actually on February 7, 1993 

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message: I think there should be updates on how many episodes both weekday seasons on Nickelodeon had. By now, it's pretty clear Season 1 had 70. 67 are known, and Season 2 had 66; one of them was a Valentine's Special airing on February 14, 1987. https://www.newspapers.com/search/?query=Double%20Dare%20Valentine&ymd=1987-02-14 Loyalist2024 (talk) 07:21, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode count update