Talk:Eichmann in Jerusalem

message: 'Arendt suggested that this most strikingly discredits the idea that the Nazi criminals were manifestly psychopathic and different from common people. From this document, many concluded that situations such as the Holocaust can make even the most ordinary of people to commit horrendous crimes with the proper incentives, but Arendt adamantly disagreed with this interpretation, as Eichmann was voluntarily following the Führerprinzip.' This neither-nor account leaves unspecified what Arendt thought was the relationship between the Nazi leaders and 'ordinary people'. They are not intrinsically different (or just not 'manifestly different'?) from ordinary people; but some explanation is still required as to why and how they became advocates and practitioners of genocide. Reportedly, Arendt refused to say that it was 'environmental' influence. Is her explanation an 'existential' one, then - a free choice of personal philosophy? If this is so, the article should say so more clearly. Mporter 08:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

message: I have not read the book, and this question should perhaps be under the heading of criticisms of the CI, but I would like to know how "doing my job" is in accordance with the categorical imperative. As I understand it, only the first formulation of the CI would be applicable, and even then, probably not. As for the second, it seems that Eichmann did not see his victims as anything but means towards furthering his career.
* I tired to expand on this a little, since it was really glossed-over by the first writer Iluvcapra 21:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  categorical imperative 

message: As much as I dislike Ayn Rand, I think calling her a "pseudo-philosopher" is inappropriate. It's clear that she put a great deal of thought and effort into her writings, and whatever issues one may have with her premises or her conclusions, she did attempt to present her arguments in a rational manner.--Eric 06:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayn Rand: "pseudo-philosopher" 

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message: The criticism section has been completely deleted ( I have just reinserted it ) and the so-called Overview section is nothing but uncritical repetition of Arendt's favorite quotes. Clearly some Arendt devotee has decided to turn this article into an internet shrine for his demi-godess. This rubbish needs to be reedited with a machete. The brainless worshipers, for their part, must take their noisome puppy love for Arendt elsewhere Soz101 (talk) 00:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Insulting other editors as you have just done is a good step towards getting yourself banned.  Kindly desist. Zerotalk 06:27, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the criticism section is totally misleading and should be deleted. To accuse Arendt of anti-Semitism and racism is completely below the belt and unworthy of an entry in Wikipedia. Www3cubed (talk) 03:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The Article has turned into Rubbish

message: One of the quotes is:
"If he had not been found guilty before he appeared in Jerusalem, guilty beyond any reasonable doubt, the Israelis would never have dared, or wanted, to kidnap him in formal violation of Argentine law."
I don't have the book, but this needs some explanation. This can be read to imply that Eichmann had already been found guilty by a court of law with jurisdiction over the matter and that he had been literally -- not figuratively -- convicted in absentia. To those who believe a 'fair trial' is one where the defendant has a chance of 'getting away with it', this suggests Eichmann did not have a 'fair trial'. Further to that, if he was already convicted, his actual trial was a show trial, a kangaroo court.
Or does it mean that the Israelis took great care to ensure they not only had the right man but that they could secure a conviction? That is, they needed to be sure the putative Argentinian really was Eichmann, obtained an 'arrest warrant' and 'search warrant', in American terms, and they conducted something like a grand jury hearing to ensure they had a strong case, but not an actual trial.
Without the book I can't really even be sure which interpretation Arendt favored. 
Also, the Nuremburg indictment for war crimeshttp://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/count3.asp and for crimes against humanityhttp://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/count4.asp does mention the killing of Jews specifically a number of times.
Roches (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: She means that he had already been judged guilty by history.  That is, the established facts of history proved his guilt.  She is saying that the Israelis would not have kidnapped him if they were not certain that the evidence against him would lead to a conviction. Zerotalk 14:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Already found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? 

message: I'm suggesting merging Banality of evil into this article. The topics are so linked that one is, almost, never talked about without the other. The other article is very short and readers will be better served with all the information in one place. BayShrimp (talk) 13:09, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, unless there is a way to considerably expand Banality of evil, it should become just a section of this article. Zerotalk 14:12, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I will wait a little to see if anyone else says something. BayShrimp (talk) 14:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I merged in the other article.  This article could be a little more clear to the non-expert. It seems to be written for insiders. BayShrimp (talk) 19:02, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: I would argue that the 'banality of evil' is more than Eichmann's stupidity, but also the thoughtlessness, thought being such a critical part of Arendt's own thinking.  Eichmann's use of cliche, for example, simple highlight his intellectual passivity and fail to think (an active notion) about what he said or did.  The classic moment at Wannsee where he concludes that the gathered body of greater men couldn't be wrong is part of this too: "He was neither the first nor the last to be ruined by modesty." Eichmann lived the opposite of a vita activa: surely that too plays into the meaning of this phrase, which, I wholeheartedly agree, as been so misunderstood so often that one almost suspects bad faith. -- Chris  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14D:4002:1CC8:E6CE:8FFF:FE5E:4F7C (talk) 23:00, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:NOTFORUM. Zerotalk 23:13, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  banality of evil 

message: Good lord!  What in the world does this phrase mean?  "impassioned acts of gratuitous cruelty" my arse! Mousebelt (talk) 19:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, that sentence was way over the top. As well as being poorly written, it presented a dubious argument in Wikipedia's voice, namely that gratuitous cruelty is an indicator of ideology. It simply isn't true. Zerotalk 04:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do Us A Favor!  Define "impassioned acts of gratuitous cruelty"! 

message: From a light reading it seems all the perspectives in the reception section are strong criticisms of her work. My own experience when sparingly coming across reference to the book does not support such universal criticism, so I was wondering if maybe the reception section is biased and thus not neutral. Thoughts? A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 19:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception section