Talk:Helicopter bucket

message: Did anybody know more about the origin if the name "Bambi Bucket"?
It´s possible, that it was named after the Disney´s Movie "Bambi", in wich a infernal forst fire plays a central role, but i am not sure.
(Please pardon my poor english :-)
:I was wondering about that too. If anyone knows please add it to the article. I expect it does have something to do with Bambi. HotWheels(53) Talk 01:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: The original article mentions 1983 for the year of this invention, but my helicopter fire crew was using similar things, and calling them "bambi buckets", back in the 70s (flexible plastic sides, plunger release in bottom). This would, as a minimum, limit the U.S. enforcement of the trademark by SEI Industries, but could also mean this article needs information on (or references to) additional helicopter-bucket designs under the generic terminology. Lupinelawyer 12:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: :The term has also become a generic term in the firefighting professionOnly You, U.S. Forest Service public service website "Rescue interrupts fire, water demo", The Garden Island, October 7, 2007, accessed November 7, 2007"Bambi comes to the rescue", Guardlife, Volume 33, no. 2 for such a tool.
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The websites referenced are examples that might be used to support the claim of genericity, but they do not actually say that the term is generic.  So sorry, but unless we can find someone reputable actually making the claim, it would be OR for us to say that the term has become generic.  Regards, Ben Aveling 10:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
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The Bambi Bucket is an aerial firefighting water bucket.  Suspended
below a helicopter, it is used to drop water on wildfires in forests or
populated areas.  It is manufactured in Delta, British Columbia, Canada
by SEI Industries Ltd.
1 [History]
Invention of the Bambi Bucket
The Bambi Bucket concept originated in 1980 with Don Arney, a Canadian
inventor.  Arney's vision was for a durable, collapsible water bucket
that would improve helicopter pilots' firefighting capabilities.  
With the relatively recent adoption of long-line delivery, Arney found
that his Bambi Bucket could access water sources in confined areas that
helicopters could not access otherwise.  As well, the Bambi Bucket
enabled water dumps from a far lower altitude than helicopter belly
tanks - dramatically improving accuracy and efficiency.  
When it first appeared on the market, the Bambi Bucket was a
groundbreaking invention for a number of reasons:
*     It was truly collapsible.  The Bambi Bucket was the first
firefighting bucket that could be collapsed to fit inside a helicopter's
cargo area if necessary.  
*     Its design allowed for an instantaneous dump.  Pilots could now
activate dumps without any lag time in the dump valve's opening
mechanism - a feature than improved accuracy dramatically
*     The column of water dispensed by the Bambi Bucket was a single
unbroken stream. This predictable water pattern helped pilots put water
on target more consistently.
*     The simplicity of its design allowed for improved reliability over
other firefighting buckets of the day.  Examples of this included the
Bambi Bucket's release mechanisms being housed far away from the water,
(in the control head) and the gravity-powered nature of the dump valve
requiring little electrical current to operate.
The Bambi Bucket first entered production in the year 1983. Over the
next several years, it quickly gained acceptance among commercial
helicopter operators and the military as a valuable aerial firefighting
tool.  
Today, the Bambi Bucket is used by over 95% of helicopter operators in
114 countries around the world who carry out firefighting missions with
bucketing operations. It has been in production for over 25 years and
has won one of Canada's foremost innovation awards for its design.
2 [Design]
The Bambi Bucket is a fully collapsible firefighting bucket made of
high-durability flexible orange fabric.  To initiate a dump, the
helicopter pilot simply activates a switch.  A solenoid in the Bambi
Bucket's control head is energized releasing a trip mechanism, allowing
the weight of the water inside the bucket to force the dump valve to
open and the water to be ejected.  
The dump valve on the Bambi Bucket is available in a standard
gravity-powered fabric version, as well as two powered, controllable
valve options for multiple dumps and variable flow: the Torrentula(tm)
(for Bambi Buckets 324 USG (1230 L) and larger and the Aqualanche(tm)
(for Bambi Buckets 180 USG to 530 USG (680 L to 2010 L).  
The Bambi Bucket is designed to enable helicopter pilots to take on
loads of water as quickly as possible.  Pilots "dip" the Bambi Bucket in
lakes, streams, rivers, or oceans to fill it with water in a single
flight pass.
The Firesock(tm) accessory, included with every Bambi Bucket, is a mesh
pouch affixed to the valve that helps disperse foam or water as they are
dumped to maximum effectiveness combating grass and brush fires.
Over 20 Bambi Bucket sizes are available, ranging in capacity from 72
USG to 2600 USG (270 L to 9840 L).  In addition, SEI Industries has
released a number of "Signature Series" Bambi Buckets - special purpose
buckets designed to accommodate specific helicopters including the
K-Max, the Cobra, and the Bell Medium Series.
SEI Industries offers several optional Bambi Bucket accesories.  These
include:
1.    PowerFill(tm) Systems - high-powered pump systems that allow the
Bambi Bucket to be quickly filled in a water source as shallow as 18
inches (46 cm)
2.    Coverage Controller - a computerized device allowing pilots
precise control over ground coverage concentration
3.    Remote Load Control - a powered water release valve mounted on the
Bambi Bucket to allow pilots to manage water loads more precisely and
for precision off loading to ground storage tanks
4.    Sacksafoam(tm) Systems - a series of four special-purpose foam
injection systems to enable the Bambi Bucket to deliver foam and a
variety of fire retardant drops.
3 [The Bambi Bucket Name]
The following quote by Don Arney, which first appeared in the summer
2007 edition of SEI Industries' corporate newsletter, explains the
origin of the Bambi Bucket name.  
"I sat down to dinner one night with a journalist friend and his wife.
The journalist was the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation Television
personality Bob Fortune who was with the CBC up into the 80's (when he
retired). For over 20 years, he was the TV weatherman for the evening
news and also had a long running show called Klahanie (all about the
outdoors). He also had a program called The Inventors on which I was a
guest in 1978 and that is where we met.
Bob was very interested in the Bambi Bucket and I was just getting
started on it at the time. He asked what I was going to call it and I
told him SEI-flex and he responded in no uncertain terms that the name
was hugely boring and that in half an hour we would have a new name upon
which he and his wife started brainstorming. Five minutes into this
exercise, given that I was there for a social evening and not to work, I
just threw out "Bob, why don't we just call it the ... Bambi Bucket!"
He said nothing and instead took a clean sheet of paper and drew a
vertical line down the middle. Atop one side he wrote "Pros" and on the
other "Cons". He and Ruth quickly filled up the Pros column and could
think of next to nothing for the Cons space. In the weeks that followed,
he was relentless in bugging me that we had to call it the Bambi Bucket.
He was also certain as to the product's future. He said "Mark my words,
the day will come that all helicopter fire fighting worldwide will be
with the Bambi Bucket".
The great thing is that Bob and I remained good friends up to the time
of his death last summer."
- Bambi Bucket creator Don Arney
4 [references]
1. Don Arney BSc'73, AQ Magazine November 2003, Accessed November 14,
2007
http://www.sfu.ca/aq/archives/Nov2003/whos_news/index.html
2. Ernest C. Manning Innovation Award, 1986
http://www.manningawards.ca/awards/winners/darney.shtml
Accessed November 14, 2007
5 [external links]
SEI Industries Ltd
http://www.sei-ind.com http://www.sei-ind.com/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by David.Monniaux (talk • contribs) 07:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: This article, towards the end of the prose, begins to sound more like advertising space for each manufacturer of helicopter firefighting buckets rather than an encyclopedia article about the technique of using buckets to fight fires from helicopters. Seems I recall that Okanagan Helicopters (CHC) used a rigid barrel fitted with a valve for the purpose earlier than the 80s (reference Helibucket article with print reference), but there is nothing much of that history in this article. Style wise, if this article cannot survive apart from the advertising being included, it may be better served to merge this article to the Helitack article in order to prevent the appearance that Wikipedia is things that it is not (i.e. not a dictionary, not for advertising brands or products, etc.). --Born2flie (talk) 15:51, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
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