Talk:May Laws

message: I have changed the text and included an exact quote from a book. In addition to earlier links, here are few Russian links mantioning Pobedonostsev's xenophobia, intolerance, many containing reference to the same passage: 
,,,,,,,,,,. As can seen from the article, the problem was much larger than a lone antisemite in the tsarist court. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 09:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Rosenberg doesn't cite original source of the "quotation". Please support your opinion by proper citations, containing ORIGINAL SOURCE of the phrase attributed to Pobedonostsev.
--DonaldDuck 02:45, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why do we need exact quote in this case? This is a quote from a book, it is good enough. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 02:52, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, accusing someone in racial hatred needs HARD evidence. You gave a quote from a book, but this book don't cite original source of pobedonostsev "quote". Moreover main author of WP article about Pobedonostsev says that it's higly unlikely for him to say something like this.
"Pobedonostsev, I support the removal. It's hardly in Pobedonostsev's character to say things like these. -Ghirlandajo 07:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  First, I did not accuse anyone. I merely quoted a book. Second, you did not convince me. And third, what is the ground for your requirement? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 03:08, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "First, I did not accuse anyone." Ascribing to someone a plan to kill one third of Jews is a grave accusation, isn't it?--DonaldDuck 03:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I merely quote an authoritative book (that is what encyclopedias do). OTOH, you are covering up. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 06:15, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text:  The quote is on topic, the source reasonable; why on earth would you delete it? Jayjg (talk) 15:39, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Still, authorship of this formula is not clear. Morst likely it is just a rumour.--DonaldDuck 10:25, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Still, you have failed to find original source.
By original source I mean transcript of speech by Pobedonostsev, article by Pobedonostsev, letter written by Pobedonostsev, article written by Pobedonostsev, statement by someone, who heard this words from Pobedonostsev.--DonaldDuck 11:28, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: He's quoted by dozens of works; that's good enough.  Wikipedia is not a place to conduct original research. Jayjg (talk) 15:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He is not quoted. The rumors are quoted. These "quotes" in quotes quite differ, both in wording and in circumstances of them being uttered/written. I will agree to the wording "attributed to Pobedonostsev", though, since the phrase is notable. mikka (t) 19:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  "attributed to Pobedonostsev" works for me. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 20:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text:  For the record, Simon Dubnow also mentions this in "The newest history of the Jewish people, 1789-1914": "To the question, what is going to happen with the Jews under constant systematic repressions, the Russian inquisitor allegedly responded..." (vol.3 p.154). As I said, this formulation is fine with me. The important thing is, this is not original research. As long as we quote an authoritative source, we are fine. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 06:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: "Attributed to Pobedonostsev" may be OK, with clear indication that there is no original source of the "quote". To Humus_sapiens: "the Russian inquisitor" - this is total nonsense. Inquisition was CATHOLIC CHURCH tribunal, Holy Synod was STATE body which controlled Russian Orthodox Church. This shows the "quality" of Dubnow's work.--DonaldDuck 04:44, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:   in·quis·i·tor: one who inquires or makes inquisition; especially : one who is unduly harsh, severe, or hostile in making an inquiry. As a matter of fact, this characterization of KPP is very common by both his contemporaries and historians, while Simon Dubnow is an acknowledged and undisputed expert. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 08:05, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pobedonostsev 

message: Is it appropriate to use this term for immigration to Israel here and elsewhere? Why is "immigrated" insufficient?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrm2007 (talk • contribs) 11:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term "aliyah" 

message: I felt the coverage of the May Laws was too one-sided, so without deleting the overtly anti-Tsarist description of the laws, I have added the more moderate version of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, with a reference so that readers may check up on the sources. Readers can now see something of both sides.
It's probably worth noting that the May Laws strictly speaking only refer to the edict on rural settlement promulgated in May, 1882, and not to the other laws, such as school quotas. Maybe we should have one section just on the May Laws, and another on subsequent anti-Jewish laws. 71.224.255.168 (talk) 07:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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