Talk:Silesian (Polish language)

message: In my opinion there are 4 ethnnolects or tongues that are called Silesian:
* Silesian language, a Western Slavonic language spoken by the Silesian people, in half way between Polish and Czech languages, with some German influences;
* Upper Silesian dialect of Polish language spoken by the Polish people living in Upper Silesia, in half way between Polish standard and the Silesian language;
* Lower Silesian dialect of Polish language belonging to the so called new mixed dialects spoken by the Polish people in Lower Silesia;
* Lower Silesian dialect of German language mostly extinct, but possibly spoken by the German minority in Polish Silesia
I don't know if there is/was also an Upper Silesian dialect of German.
CC, 23:50, Nov 6, 2003 (UTC)
: Questions:
:* Are the first three really entirely different?  Do they belong in separate articles or is there a continuum between the three?
::Answer: They are similar, all Slavonic languages are similar
:* Are there any neutral documents or web pages describing these dialects and languages?  It would be nice to have sources that were more indendent than various Silesian movements.
::::Answer: Books on the Silesian language(s): http://www.herder.uni-marburg.de/cgi-bin/acwww25/regsrch.pl?wert=jezyk+slaski+*&recnums=52073:61422:73836:82391:83931:83937:88237:88539:91801:92090:93702&index=4&db=bibl_p 
::One of the books seem to be promising: Hentschel, Gerd, Das Schlesische - eine neue (oder auch nicht neue) slavische Sprache? (=The Silesian, a new (or not new) Slavonic language?)
:* Are upper and lower really different today?
: Daniel Quinlan 00:03, Nov 7, 2003 (UTC)
::::Answer: Mixed dialects of Polish in western Poland (inc. Lower Silesia) are simply a mixture of all Polish dialects (because of the post-WWI mass migrations from all Polish provinces) and today they are nearly the same to the standard literary Polish. The speech of the people in Upper Silesia is a mixture of standard Polish, local Silesian dialects and German. Silesian people want to learn more Polish. And Polish people in Silesia want to lear more Silesian
It is possible that every person speaks another mixture of Silesian and Polish.
My friend from Silesia told me that he knows 3 languages: Silesian, Polish and German. Silesian was the basic language used at home so he learned Silesian from his parents and relatives. He learned Polish at school. And he also learned German, because his parents spoke in Silesian, but were quarelling in German, and they wanted to prevent their children from understanding what the quarell is about. CC
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My suggestions are:
Silesian language about the Silesian language
Lower Silesian (of German language) about Lower Silesian of German 
Lower Silesian (of Polish language) about Lower Silesian of Polish 
Upper Silesian (of Polish language) about Upper Silesian of Polish 
Silesian - disambiguation page
Lower Silesian - disambiguation page
Upper Silesian - disambiguation page
CC, 23:50, Nov 6, 2003 (UTC)
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Sorry, but the article is a bunch of rubbish. I suppose that vast majority of Silesians could be extremally suprised that in Silesia are two different Siliesian languages. There are a few spoken versions of Silesian (for example from Opole, Katowice or Cieszyn) but creation of separate language from some of them is really ridiculous idea. I am really curious opinion of linguists about artificial creation of two versions of Silesian: a dialect and a separate language.
Even German authorities of Silesia (untill 1918) regarded Silesian as a Polish dialect. As told a Silesian linguist, prof. Miodek, "the only formal version of Silesian is... the standard Polish" and "Silesian is the most archaic and the most clear of the Polish dialects". Differences between Silesian and the standard version of Polish are not bigger than between standard Polish and any other of the Polish dialects.
: This is not a matter of proof, but of classification. Some linguists classify Slovak, Belarussian and Ukrainian as dialects of the Polish language. Macedonian language is sometimes classsfied as a dialect of Bulgarian. Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian are sometimes classified as one language Serb-Croatian.
:The roots of the Silesian language are in the 16th century, when the books in local offices were held in the Silesian dialect, that cannot be classified as Polish or Czech. -- CC, 12:35, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's polish dialect. Silesia writers from XV, XVI and XVII century Szymon Pastorius, Olbrycht Strumienski, Walenty Rozdzieński wrote IN POLISH (in silesian dialect). Please read more. Though german nationalism and destroying polish humanity. 
I can not agree with you. Not all classifications could be taken serious. Please, give me description of differences between Polish dialect - Upper Silesian and Silesian language. I suppose it would be difficult for you. 
The article is misleading and ridiculous.
I dont mind if Silesian is described as a separate language. It is a problem of classification. But creation of a Silesian language separate form "Upper Silesian Poilsh dialect" has no point and no founds. If I am wrong give me bibliography or in other way support you controversial thesis.
I think that the article should be reedited.
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The thesis that Silesian is not inteligible with Polish is not strict:
1. In this case we talk about literary version of the language only. Polish has many dialects, which are more or less different from each other. 
2. Average Polish speaker who is able to speak everyday language is able to understand Silesian without difficulties. For exmple for me more dificult to understand is dialect of Polish higlanders from Podhale, or Zywiec area. 
3. The versions of the dialect can differetiate. For example, some persons tend to use more German words even if there are Silesian words which can be used instead. On the same basis some people from Warsaw or Poznan area could say anything making his statement extremally difficult to understant by someone who speak literary Polish only. 
4. Huge majority of Silesian speakers consider Silesian a dialect of Polish. Yeti 21:23, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  4 Silesian ethnolects or tongues 

message: The creation of a Wikipedia in the Silesian dialect/language/whatever has been proposed. See: meta:Requests for new languages if you want to vote for or against it. Ausir 16:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Silesian Wikipedia proposal

message: I suggest moving this to Silesian language, and moving Silesian (disambiguation) here.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:08, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved to Silesian (Polish language). Can't move Silesian (disambiguation), though. -- Matthead discuß!     O       12:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Silesian disambig