Talk:North East England

message: Northumbria is the common name for the North East of England and is used daily in a miriad of ways.  Someone had changed this fact to state that 'Bernicia' is the other name for the North East.  Bernicia is not used, I dare say, at all to define the North East.  Northumbria is the kingdom centred on Durham and Northumberland that was incorporated into England from the Heptarchy Enzedbrit 22:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The historical Northumbria included Yorkshire and at times Lothian.  Many current uses cover smaller areas than North East England. --Henrygb 02:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Historical Northumbria at its peak included these areas.  Kingdoms' boundaries were wont to change.  Austria today is still called Austria even though its boundaries were once far in excess of its current boundaries. Enzedbrit 23:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The north east is not often called Northumbria so stop saying this. No one calls it that, it is a utterly incorrect term. Northumbria isn't even part of the north east, its Northumberland. Most people probally aren't even aware of the old Anglish kingdom.--Josquius 18:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop telling me that the north east isn't called Northumbria!  I know very well that it is!  Visitors to Durham are first greeted at the train station by a map showing them where they are in "Northumbria".  The local constabulary is the Northumbria police force.  There is Northumbria University.  The tourism authority is, or until recently was, Northumbria.  Our Northumbrian pipers wear the Northumbrian tartan when they perform around Northumbria.  There are also Northumbrian organisations around the world.  I have no idea what you're trying to say when you say Northumbria isn't part of the North East, it's Northumberland.  That's an incoherant sentence. Enzedbrit 11:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in general agreement with Josquius on this matter, I myself am from the old County Durham region of Tyne and Wear which is unquestionably the industrial and populous heart of the North-East in modern times and noone here would refer to the North-East as 'Northumbria', as the name is 'Northumberland Police' for example is the subject of much debate for our Police force. I am fairly sure this would be the case for all people south of here also. I would say that only people from either Newcastle or Northumberland would agree with 'Northumbria'. gazh 18:51, 24 Apr 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The name Northumbria

message: The education section is very poorly written. No source is provided for the list of top performing schools and its assertion that there are no selective schools in the region is just laughable. I would like to completely re-do it. However, as I don't have the time right now, I would suggest removing it completely. IT gives a completely false impresison. hedpeguyuk 14:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Education

message: It seems astonishing to me that there is zero mention of the Northern England devolution referendums, 2004 in this article. Surely that is so significant it deserves a mention in the intro? Please note that this article is mentioned, and linked to, in the very first sentence of the referendum article. A reciprocally prominent link from this article is surely merited. --Mais oui! (talk) 06:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Northern England devolution referendums, 2004]] 

message: Hello, all. I'm performing a requested copy edit on this page. When I spot things that need attention but are unrelated to the copy edit, I typically address them here on the talk page.
* Economic History:This section ends with two single-sentence paragraphs. When a sentence sits by itself as a paragraph, that implies a lot of weight, a lot of importance. It shouldn't happen often, much less twice in a row. What I see here are two "stub" paragraphs that need to be expanded. Neither sentence should stand alone, and neither fits another section well enough to be moved. Each contains the germ of a potentially interesting paragraph. The first has to do with the regional image campaign. It needs referenced, and it would be a good idea to dig up information on the effectiveness of the campaign, and other efforts to promote the region. The other sentence is about the invention of the match. I don't believe that's the only thing of note to come out of North East England, so it needs to be surrounded with additional information. If those sentences are not expanded on, then they need to be deleted, because they currently function as trivia. Dementia13 (talk) 03:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Dementia13, I hope you don't mind me appending my own thoughts on the "Economy" section here. It's a problem that the other English Region articles suffer from too. I agree that there's too much detail, and also I'm not happy how it's subdivided county-by-county. That sort of detail, if it belongs anywhere, should really be in the individual county articles. This regional article, surely, ought to be summarising the  economy of the region as a whole without subdivision into disjoint county sections. -- Dr Greg  talk  19:25, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks and, as you imply, I'm not sure that level of detail belongs at all. The better approach would be to write about the big picture and provide an overview of the region's economy or economies, not just to give a roster of the local industries. A telephone directory could do that. Dementia13 (talk) 03:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

text:  Fixed. Yes, it means "Industrial". The Pennywell article seems to be about a larger area of which the Industrial Estate is a (presumably small) part. -- Dr Greg  talk  18:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy Edit comments 

message: August 23 2013 Help requested re the Northeast of England page how do I request that the verification comment from august 2011 be removed or updated? I am getting the 4 sub regional businesses sections up dated over the next week or two and that will be the vast majority of the site updated and verified but I request some help with the education sections. Gairderek (talk) 22:08, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Help re Northeast of England Page

message: Hi, I’m Andrew Clark and I work at the Office for National Statistics in the UK.
We publish lots of infographics and I wonder if this one on North East of England (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Regional_Profile_of_the_North_East.png) would be of interest for North_East_England
FYI, the full gallery, updated weekly, is here <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Content_created_by_the_Office_for_National_Statistics>
All the best
Andrew Clark (smanders1982)
10 Dec 2013
Smanders1982 (talk) 13:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  infographic? 

message: Present authorities are very mixed up for the North East England region. I would like to clean it up (“...”=article):
Option A, simple all entities have articles:
*Region: “North East England (region)”
*Historic counties: “Northumberland”, “Durham county” and “North Riding of Yorkshire” (part)
*Districts with historic county names: “Northumberland district”and “Durham county district”
*Present counties: “Northumberland”, “Tyne and Wear”, “County Durham” and “North Yorkshire” (part)
*combined authority divisions: “North of Tyne”, “North East England (division)” and “Tees Valley”
Option B, rational name by name:
*region and division: “North East England”
*districts and old counties in one: 
“Durham county” and “Northumberland (historic)”
*current counties: “Northumberland”, “Tyne and Wear”, “County Durham” and “North Yorkshire” (part)
*combined authority divisions: “North of Tyne”, “North East England (division)” and “Tees Valley”
*”Teesside”
Option C, radical long-standing is paramount:
*region: “North East England”
* Combined authorities, current counties, districts and old counties in one: 
“County Durham” and “Northumberland”
*“Tyne and Wear” and “North Yorkshire” (part)
*“Teesside” (Tees Valley and county of Cleveland merged in)
Option D, harsh, present and leave old counties to be old:
*region: “North East England”
*Historic counties: “Northumberland”, “Durham county” and “North Riding of Yorkshire” (part)
*authority areas: “Northumberland”, “North of Tyne”, “Tyne and Wear”, “North East England (division)”, “County Durham” and “Tees Valley”
Note: County Durham for present and Durham county. Historic name will fall in line with Settlement+Shire system of old counties except adding a space.
Note2: North East combined authority area article is not in existence, doesn’t have  mayor yet and formed in November 2018.
Note3: Councils/Authorities exist as well I am only looking for areas they cover only.
Note4: going forward what should a combined authority area be called: sub-region, division, part or county even. Any official names, sub-region I think is used, division seems better and shorter. Chocolateediter (talk) 18:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You are going to have to explain this in a clearer way for people to understand. Personally I would return things to the situation it was before you started to move things around. For example Cleveland, England should be returned to the county article and all of the information on the county removed from the Teesside article. Keith D (talk) 22:34, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Due to the combined effect of edits since 3Q20 this article does not even conform to the important article content guideline WP:LEAD. It is absolute rubbish. I'm really not clear where you are going with this. :( Leaky caldron (talk) 17:57, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is getting a mess - County Cleveland needs to be got rid of and the information merged back into the Cleveland, England article. We do not need 2 articles covering Cleveland. Keith D (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorting parts of the region 

message: There have been a great many recent edits to the page by an IP (in Cornwall!!) - some of which are positive, others not.  If they want their edits to remain, they are very strongly advised to register an account, and discuss their suggested changes on this talk page - something they have not yet attempted to do.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for pointing that out. The page is now semi-protected for a week meaning we can all work together cooperatively, as Wikipedia should be, to improve the article without any one person dominating it (WP:OWN). Hopefully in the meantime the IP will register an account and join as an editor with the shared purpose of taking this and other articles of interest forward. 10mmsocket (talk) 19:57, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not offering to help out here - I don't have the knowledge or (more importantly) the sources - but there is clearly a lot of work needed on this article.  It would probably be best to start with the article text - such as the "Geography" section, which as it stands is almost worthless - and come back to the lead later.    Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:04, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's of use, the IP-hopping edits are part of a recent uptick in activity of socks of User:Politialguru. They have targeted this article as User:SunriseUntilSunset and User:Ouseburnwarrior before but a multitude of other articles too. Many of their edits are pointless or neutral but such uncooperative flurries are a notable feature. To register an account they're going to have to appeal their indef, which seems an optimistic objective. Unless and until, WP:BE can be applied to their edits. Prior to their recent relocation to Cornwall (building sandcastles when not editing?), their IPs were indicating London or non-specific UK as a location, prior to that NE England, possibly specifically Newcastle, if I remember correctly. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

text: I see they've also prompted page protection to be applied at Northumbria Police. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That's interesting, because he/she has just created an account. See edit history of Metropolitan Police. I'll do some digging and see if an SPI is warranted. --10mmsocket (talk) 06:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Done. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Politialguru. It sounds like your insight into Politicalguru's past activities will be useful, so feel free to comment. 10mmsocket (talk) 06:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent IP edits 

message: Multiple sections of the article are better suited to Northumbria (modern), for example:
* History: mainly concerns the two historic counties. Recent political history better serves as history for a region created in 1994
* Parts of Sport: apart from the Middlesbrough FC rivalries, which haven’t occurred for a short while now, sport is tied to the traditional county borders. 
I think it is best having this article as politically aligned while Northumbria (modern) takes up the cultural content, simular to Yorkshire and the Humber with Yorkshire. Most landmarks existed before the political region was established: including a building like Gisborough Priory is like including a Durham Cathedral picture for Bernicia, quite anachronistic.
I am not taking away the fact that the North East also refers to Northumbria (modern) so I have created a redirect called North East England (traditional). Does any other redirects also merit being created for it, Tyne-Wear derby would work well to be merged into Northumbria (modern). Chocolateediter (talk) 11:35, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't the sport be in County Durham? i.e. the current, not the ancient county 10mmsocket (talk) 15:03, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northumbria (modern) 

message: Hello, I would like to request you to fix the cite error shown at the end of this page according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Cite_errors/Cite_error_group_refs_without_references Thanks. Hutah (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Which specific citation is it? The link you give is to the help page not to the actual incorrect citation.  10mmsocket (talk) 16:51, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Did I just fix the problem you were talking about? I added at  section 10mmsocket (talk) 16:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Already done Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:50, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2021 

message: There is currently a discussion at Talk:Regions of England regarding the official name of the region, as I believe that it is actually "North East", not "North East England". The thread is Talk:Regions of England § Some of the region article titles are wrong.. Thank you. Theknightwho (talk) 04:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official region name is wrong - should be "North East" 

message: I’m moving business information about Tyne and Wear to the Tyne and Wear article. I’m also moving Northumberland’s. Chocolateediter (talk) 13:24, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Business