Talk:Medical student syndrome

message: I have reverted to the last version by me because I do not believe the text that was formerly in first clinical syndrome should be merged here. The extra section headers were not helpful either; the sections were too short to require them. I don't think the example given in first clinical syndrome about the brain tumor was instructive or well-written. I tried to rephrase it, but couldn't. I also don't think there is any need for adding info about the university courses of any country, as it's just not relevant to readers who do not live in that country. The part about psychiatric disorders being the most common needs a reliable source, and also I couldn't find any proof on the internet that "first clinical syndrome" is a widely used term in India for medical student syndrome. That is why I have reverted. I am willing to discuss the action on this talk page. Graham talk 11:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why I reverted

message: 1. 98 % Indian literature are not in Internet. So you may not find even authenticated texts in net. Just because something is not in Internet from India, it does not mean that does not exist
2. I think there is a STRONG need for adding info about the university courses of any country, as it's just relevant to readers who do live in that country and use Wikipedia. Wikipedia, I assume is Universal. Just because some thing DOES NOT EXIST IN YOUR COUNTRY, it does not mean, that you have to edit that out.
3. The classification is Somatoform Disorder. If you had enough patience to find about Somatoform Disorder, you would not have removed the Psychiatry part.
Doctor Bruno 16:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why you should not have reverted

message: This is also known as First Clinical Syndrome in India, which affects Medical Students in India. For the Global Perspective See Medical student syndrome
===Time affected===
During the First Clinical Year. Medical Students in India learn MBBS in five and half years. Of these the initial period is spent in reading Anatomy, Physiology and Biochemistry After that they enter into the Clinicals and here they see the patients and read about various disorders and diseases. As and when they read about a disease, they imagine as if they are suffering from that when they have any symptom or sign associated with the disease For example, the student reads about Brain Tumour which presents with Headache. If, by coincidence, the guy has headache on that day, he presumes that he has a brain tumour. It typically starts as one reads or learns about an illness or disorder and begins to believe they have it. It is not limited to medical students; anyone who reads is susceptible. However, it is believed to be most frequently observed in medical students.
===More Common Diseases===
Psychiatric disorders are more commonly involvedDoctor Bruno 16:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First Clinical Syndrome

message: Psychiatric disorders are more commonly involvedDoctor Bruno 16:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More Common Diseases

message: First Clinical Syndrome is an entity in India. If you are not able to incorporate the relevant texts from that into this article, then it obviously means that both are different. Why can't you have an seperate article for that.Doctor Bruno 16:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are both, as far as I know, exactly the same - or first clinical syndrome is a more specific version of medical student syndrome. I couldn't incorporate it because I couldn't find a way to make it flow well into the article, not because the contents are different. I understand that the internet does not give the full story to any issue. Can you site a reliable book - it doesn't matter about the ISBN, I just need to be able to find it - that supports your claim? Graham talk 04:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: What do you mean "the book"? What book are you talking about? Graham talk 07:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A General Question

message: "[...] the 'rock and roll' lifestyle that students of medicine endure. Lack of sleep, excesses of drug and alcohol abuse, and promiscuity"
So studying medicine means promiscuity, alcohol and drug abuse!??!? In my four years of study I have only known the 'lack of sleep' part of that sentence. I'm missing out on something, it seems?
--Guruclef 00:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rock and Roll

message: It may be worthwhile revisiting this merger, initially proposed in April 2006.  First clinical syndrome and medical student syndrome are fundamentally the same illness.  To say that they are distinct (just because the term "medical student" is known as "first clinical student") is splitting hairs.  Andrew73 16:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you having a separate article for Sedan when you have an article for Car. First Clinical Syndrome is one of the various types of Medical Student Syndrome. You can merge this into Medical Student syndrome when you are merging Sedan into Car and Laser Printer into Printer. Why there is no opposition for all those separate articles. Why no one ever wants to merge those. It is Laser printer is known to the English speaking population. On the other hand, First Clinical Syndrome is not known in America (as there is no First Clinical Year) and European countries and so there are requests for merge. This is a classical example of Systemic Bias Doctor Bruno  17:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  A sedan is a specific type of car, in the same way that a convertible is a specific type of car.  A laser printer is specific type of printer.  On the other hand, first clinical syndrome and medical student syndrome both refer to the same type of hypochondria that may be observed in medical students, whether they are educated in India or in the U.S.  A lump in the neck, whether you in India or in the U.S., both raises the same possible hypochondria concerns.  Of course, there may be diseases specific to India, i.e., specific types of diseases through insect vectors that may not be seen in the U.S., so perhaps in this respect, the set of diseases one may have hypochondria for in India may be different than the U.S.  But this is sort of pushing it!  Andrew73 19:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: These are good points.  To push you a little further, can we agree that first clinical syndrome is a subset of the more general term medical student syndrome?  If that's the case, I don't think it's an entity that's important enough to merit a whole unique article.  Andrew73 19:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I think this is a matter of where you draw the line.  However, if I may indulge a litte, I bet the viewpoint I propose is the more typical viewpoint.  Furthermore, if I may appeal to google, there are 527 entries for "medical student syndrome."  On the other hand, there's only one (or two) listings for "first clinical syndrome."  The other listings do not refer to the specific entity of "first clinical syndrome."  (In contrast, "cyberchondria" has over 10,000 listings.)  Andrew73 00:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've put in an RFC  to get input from other users.  Andrew73 19:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging first clinical syndrome into this article 

message: I discussed with few Psychiatrists here. They said that, it is a subset of Medical Student Syndrome and may not be that notable. Hence I think it will be better to redirect First Clinical syndrome to medical student syndrome.  Doctor Bruno  14:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  Andrew73 16:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hope everything is OK Now.  Doctor Bruno  17:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My '''''Revised''''' Opinion

message: I suggest merging this article with medical students' disease. jareha (comments) 19:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nearly nothing to merge.  The other article is vastly superior. This one is just unreferenced babble, often of dubious valitidy. So consider it done. `'mikka 00:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[medical students' disease]]