Talk:Kiwifruit

message: Is it evergreen or deciduous? This is a MINIMAL information. Isn't there a template, how to write such articles? Well, there should be one.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.29.185 (talk) 06:25, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This is about the fruit and its production, not the plant, for the plant use the pages under there scientific name.192.26.8.4 (talk) 17:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Yes, you can go to the specific page using their scientific name, such as Actinidia deliciosa. Icecreamjuggler06 (talk) 21:57, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Evergreen?

message: " is the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history."
What is under this section is nothing to do with etymology. 
It should be about the WORD not about the fruit. 
Would be good if the author of the article could get some education.
It also would be good if the author had enough self-criticism to understand that s/he has no idea what s/he is doing and thus would do a search for 'kiwi etymology'. Then s/he would have discovered what the word's etymology is.
Wikipedia is suffering of such characters. There is a reason it is not accepted as a source by universities.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.29.185 (talk) 06:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: looks like you are the one who does not understand, maybe?192.26.8.4 (talk) 17:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: ;Books
* Neubauer, H. / Vorbeck, W. (2008). Kiwifruit: from the seed to your plate. NZVP Books. 
* Qian, M.C. / Rimando, A.M. (eds. 2010). Flavor and Health Benefits of Small Fruits. American Chemical Society. 
--Zefr (talk) 18:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Further reading

message: Well it cannot be both " a new species "   and a "distinct cultivar ".   If this variety was just invented recently,   then a "cultivar" it should be,  not a "species".Eregli bob (talk) 07:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In the botanical world species and cultivars are two different things. It can be a new species and cultivar at the same time. Cultivar in botany simply means a plant variety that has been produced in cultivation by selective breeding as opposed to in the wild. No wild plant is ever designated a cultivar for obvious reasons. It's species... I take it you don't need me to tell you what a species is. Whether it is factualy correct that it is a new species and cultivar is something I don't know. 212.250.138.33 (talk) 04:21, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just did a quick check for you and as far as I can tell, it's been designated as a new species, the rule I've been told is if presented in latin as two names such "Actinidia chinensis" (Golden Kiwi) then it's genus followed by species, if the second name is in single quotation marks then that is the cultivar, it seems that it is considered a new speices, it's cultivars name is apprently "Hort 16a" so in a 3 name format it would appear as Actinidia chinensis 'Hort 16a' (Genus, Species, Cultivar). 212.250.138.33 (talk) 04:36, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golden kiwifruit 

message: There is a potential issue with the taxonomic identities of Actinidia chinensis and A. deliciosa. "A. chinensis and A. deliciosa were classified together until about 15 years ago, in one species" is potentially misleading.  I read it as (in the context of the article's focus on deliciosa) "a new species, A. chinensis was recently recognized as distinct from the long recognized species A. deliciosa". This is incorrect, although A. chinensis has recently become more widely cultivated.  The reverse is true. Actinidia chinensis was first described in 1847 . Fuzzy kiwi wasn't even named as a distinct variety (Actinidia chinensis var. deliciosa) until the 1940s , and finally recognized as a species, Actinidia deliciosa in 1984 .  Botanists still tend to recognize fuzzy kiwi as a variety (A. chinensis var. deliciosa) rather than a separate species (A. deliciosa), but agricultural literature has tended to increasingly recognize it as a separate species. The taxonomic issue is, of course, more appropriately discussed at Actinidia deliciosa and Actinidia chinensis. Plantdrew (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Point taken. The history of the separation of the species chinensis and deliciosa have been removed from this article. Care must be taken to ensure that the audience of this article is kept in mind (someone exploring the fruit and the production of the fruit, not the plant it self).(12.168.6.143 (talk) 19:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of taxonomy in the article

message: The taxonomy does affect have a major bearing on the references used in this article. Until 1984, fuzzy kiwi was known as A. chinensis var. deliciosa or just A. chinensis. It took some years for A. deliciosa to take hold. References from the 1960s (when intensive cultivation of deliciosa cultivars took off) until 1984 (or later) are likely to use A. chinensis to refer to what is now A. deliciosa.  Use extreme caution when a reference talks about chinensis. Even today, chinensis is still widely used when deliciosa is intended. Google results for: "Actinidia deliciosa Hayward" (22k), "Actinidia chinensis Hayward" (39k), "Actinidia chinensis var. deliciosa"+Hayward (4k), "Actinidia Hayward" (5k). The Hayward cultivar is certainly a deliciosa species/variety, but there are a large number of results for "Actinidia chinensis Hayward" because the botanical variety is often left off when a cultivar name is given (and the even the species may be left off as in "Actinidia Hayward"). Plantdrew (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Warning on Use of A. chinensis

message: There seems to be a total absence of genetics and evolutionary biology on the wikipedia articles for fruits.  Which fruits are genetically related?  What genes are evolutionarily (is that a word?) preserved among related plants?  I came to this article to try to familiarize myself with the topic but have found that none of the fruit articles have good sections on genetics.  I think it would greatly improve this article (and all fruit articles) to include a section on genetics/molecular biology.  I realize that the history of cultivation and the known cross-breeding is often discussed, but this does not address the information that I am alluding to.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.82.215.201 (talk) 18:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evolutionary biology 

message: "To avoid associating the fruit with China after WWII, it was internationaly marketed under the name "Melonette" first, and finally under the name "kiwifruit".[10]"
I followed the citation link and it made no mention of disassociation with China.  Rather, it implied that American importers wanted to avoid using the word "berry" which might result in higher tariffs.  Does anyone have another citation for that claim?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.10.70 (talk) 05:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese Gooseberries

message: Although otherwise this is an Ok article, the lack of citations to cover the citation needed comments are probably lending to less credibility.  Also, there are a tun of citations, most likely all is needed to look through the existing citations to find a good source.
Please help cover these gaps208.90.40.114 (talk) 22:20, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up Citations 

message: I have removed the section entitled Animal consumption which was added on 7 January this year by User:Preppergardens. Apart from being dubious information, the ref given was to a spam plant catalogue. User:Preppergardens was spam blocked indefinitely by User:De728631 on 11 March. Moriori (talk) 00:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal consumption 

message: http://food.oregonstate.edu/faq/kiwi/faq_kiwi4.html "What is the history of the kiwifruit?". Oregon State University
This link no longer works.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.157.3 (talk) 02:52, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

message: 'silver birch allergy' redirects to this page but then there is no mention of it in the text as fas as I can tell.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.210.58 (talk) 11:14, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Allergies

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is no real mention of the post-war development of the kiwifruit. There is a reason it is not called the Chinese gooseberry - the fruit as grown today, including in China, is very different from the old Chinese gooseberries. It was heavily modified by selective breeding, which effectively resulted in a different fruit.Royalcourtier (talk) 00:59, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Development 

message: I have reverted the caption on the image in the Cultivars section to read "Red kiwifruit slices".  The file was created 10 years ago and it shows an image of red kiwifruit at that time. The name of the file correctly says "File:Red kiwi fruit slices.jpg". To see how our image compares with an image on an authoritative site, see "Enza red kiwifruit image" Moriori (talk) 02:45, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Fascinating new kiwifruit. Would be interesting to have some breeding information about how this fruit evolved, its phytochemistry, and any organoleptic properties. --Zefr (talk) 03:18, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

text: red kiwifruit= A. melanandra the fruit you had is a hybrid golden kiwi and green kiwi. Please stop changing2600:1008:B124:3D1A:49D3:182F:F346:237 (talk) 14:20, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

text: From the Wikipedia kiwifruit page 
 One of the most attractive varieties has a red 'iris' around the center of the fruit and yellow flesh outside. The yellow fruit fetches a higher market price and, being less hairy than the fuzzy kiwifruit, is more palatable for consumption without peeling.[14]
 A commercially viable[18] variety of this red-ringed kiwifruit, patented as the EnzaRed™, is a cultivar of the Chinese hong yang variety.[12][13]
A little research before complaining about someone else being wrong would be helpful and waste less time. 2600:1008:B124:3D1A:49D3:182F:F346:237 (talk) 14:24, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Red kiwifruit image

message: I checked and edited the "Full reports" for green and gold kiwifruit as presented in the USDA Nutrient Database for entries 09148 and 09520, respectively, found here and here. The amounts used are 100 grams, a standard amount allowing comparison between different kiwifruit cultivars and among other foods, as used standardly across WP nutrition tables. Green kiwi has significant content only of vitamins C and K, and gold kiwi is rich only in vitamin C. The tables speak for themselves regarding other nutrients, indicating a relatively low nutritional value overall. --Zefr (talk) 21:32, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nutrition discussion 

message: A Chinese poem written in the 8th to 7th century mentions the kiwifruit.
In a translation by James Legge (http://ctext.org/book-of-poetry/xi-you-chang-chu), the plant is translated as the carambola because both the Chinese names of the kiwi fruit and the carambola sound similar. However, the general consensus is that the chang chu is the kiwi fruit. The corresponding page of "chang chu" on Baidu Baike (https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E8%8B%8C%E6%A5%9A) mentions the ancient poem. Therefore, the research referenced on this page could be in error? Gcjdavid (talk) 09:55, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  History? 

message: In researching a presentation about kiwifruit / vines, I am finding quite a bit of newer info missing here that will lead to some updates.  I will work on this, but am giving some advance notice as this page seems to have some ugly editwarring around recent revisions.  Some info may more properly reside on specific pages about species but those pages are woefully out of date, inadequate, and even wrong.  The article on Actinidia arguta is more complete than for A. deliciosa and A. chinensis, but it has some dissonances from this article.  The sub-section here on A. chinensis is more detailed than the separate article.
= Pests and diseases 
'''
Needed updates includes pests and diseases for Actinidia deliciosa and A. chinensis.  
Five varieties of Pseudomonas syringae disease (Psa), three highly virulent.  Italy (and vicinity) and Korea especially hard-hit by two strains not yet in New Zealand.  
A. deliciosa 'Hayward' being replaced by some growers, with successfully top-grafting [of ?] onto existing Bruno rootstock.
A. chinensis 'Hort16A'  (highly susceptible) being replaced with A. chinesis 'Gold3' .  This is described in section on fruit but not under diseases.  Am considering best approach.
Also (convincingly) identified as major insect pests are Brown Marmorated Stink Bug and different fruit flies such as Spotted winged drosophilla.
Need to finish lining up my sources (simultaneous with my talk).  Here is one:
http://www.kvh.org.nz/most_unwanted -- and related PDF http://www.kvh.org.nz/vdb/document/100681
= Hardy kiwi / kiwiberry 
'''
Hardy kiwi varieties are exploding, are seeing a big uptick in the commercial and home-grown market.  I notice far more variation for selection of A. arguta in fruit catalogs than of A. deliciosa and A. chinensis -- though perhaps my catalog pool is unbalanced.
Here is a good photo of hardy kiwi varieties: http://www.kiwiberry.com/picts/12forKEJ2b.jpg
GeeBee60 (talk) 17:28, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Although the topics are worthy of updates, please use high-quality secondary sources per WP:SCIRS. While KVH has a role in industry and can be used as a source, better secondary sources would take a broader view and incorporate other information unrelated to KVH's biosecurity focus. --Zefr (talk) 17:46, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. And this is why ideas for updates are first appearing here. Talk can be (ought to be) a good way to start a discussion that can lead to article improvements. I stated that I need to line up more sources -- and any help that you want to offer is welcome. In the meantime I will argue that even commerce oriented organizations can and do produce credible valuable documents, even if some of their publications are shameless pieces of P.R.  New Zealand has the advantage of being isolated and ought to focus on potential hazards.  Yes, Zespri and KVH puts their concerns in the best possible light -- so do you and I.  PSA obviously is a global problem, SWD is a nasty pest in other parts or the world including where I live (Puget Sound USA), and just the other day I caught a BMSB in our home (winter season). GeeBee60 (talk) 17:20, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some needed updates 

message: "Zespri", referred to the gold kiwifruit cultivated in New Zealand.
This is not true. Zespri is a brand name for all new Zealand kiwifruit as exporting through them it is the only legally way for a kiwi to sell kiwifruit. Bobshmit (talk) 17:19, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It can be edited rather than reverting all the changes made. If there are reliable WP:RS sources for golden kiwifruit cultivars available on the market other than Zespri Gold, then please add them rather than deleting the work of other editors. --Zefr (talk) 17:25, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Zespri is a cultivar (by HortResearch) that became a brand and system of orchard management, explained here and here. I agree we should not be promoting Zespri, but it's the largest kiwifruit brand and is not overtly promoted in the article, enabling education for the encyclopedia user. --Zefr (talk) 23:28, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

text: This. page says "Zespri Gold kiwifruit makes it export debut. Developed by HortResearch – now Plant & Food Research, yellow-fleshed Hort16A variety offers a sweet, tropical taste". If this is correct then it means that there is a cultivar marketed as Zespri Gold, and another called Zespri SunGold see here. This is fairly well covered in the article already but I have added a reference to its name in one place where it was mentioned only by the cultivar name. Morgan Leigh | Talk 21:13, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Which is exactly why I said I said "a cultivar marketed as Zespri Gold" after pointing out it is the Hort16A variety. Morgan Leigh | Talk 00:06, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Rather than reverting the article update the info with more current cited info if you think it is out of date. Morgan Leigh | Talk 06:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  After 2 months I finally found some references that may expand the page the way that was wanted. I am frustrated that misinformation is permitted as long as it expands the page. clearly Gold kiwis where not invented by zesperi, and HortResearch, is not the only relvent research company. Removal it is.67.252.6.84 (talk) 12:23, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zespri 

message: Parts of the article seem to me poorly written. There was confusion between species and cultivars, "varieties" used where it should be "cultivars", cultivar names confused with trade descriptions, and so on. The Pollination section contains statements not consistent with basic botany, such as "the females receive the pollen to fertilise their ovaries" – ovaries can't be fertilized, although the eggs they produce can be. I've done some copy-editing, but I don't have time now for more. I hope others do! Peter coxhead (talk) 00:11, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poorly written article 

message: According to the key/legend, fruit of the species Actinidia indochinensis is supposed to be depicted by the letter "I" in the photograph. I see no letter "I" in the image.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PametUGlavu (talk • contribs) 18:44, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image with cross-section of kiwifruit is missing something 

message: The kiwifruit is commonly shortened to kiwi in the UK. Should it be mentioned? 
Some Sources:
*https://www.chrisbowers.co.uk/article/ultimate-guide-kiw-fruit/
*https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/kiwi
Sahaib3005 (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiwi shortened name in other countries 

message: Yes, actinidain will break down the proteins in milk, but does this really make it "unsuitable" for desserts containing milk or other dairy products? There is literally a photo right there of a pavlova with cream on it and kiwifruit slices placed on top. Kiwifruit are often served in this manner, raw slices on top of cream-topped pavlovas. There is no citation for these two sentences either. Scotty1141 (talk) 10:08, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsuitable for desserts containing milk or other dairy products? 

message: The article failed to give full contextual explanation for the name "Chinese gooseberry". If you read the historic sources, it's because European settlers noticed how similar it looks to gooseberries (which are native in Europe) but they added "Chinese" to it because the first discovery and cultivation of this fruit was geolocated to China. But article failed to provide that explanation so I added in a few words to show that Chinese gooseberry was originally named after the place where it came from. 49.180.161.64 (talk) 16:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese gooseberry name