Talk:Sea surface temperature

message: I would like to nominate this article to be elevated to class B. I am in a position to claim good accuracy in the sections relating to the satellite measurements of SST. There is still a lot to be done regarding the style of writing and relevancy.
Objections? Javit 15:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While it may be accurate, this article has neither a reference section nor inline references, so it would be difficult for someone else to validate its accuracy.  It will have to stay start until references (preferably inline) can be added.  Thegreatdr (talk) 17:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article finally has the proper format, a reasonable lead, and enough referencing to be considered C class.  Thegreatdr (talk) 14:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Class B? 

message: It is apparently of some debate whether sea surface temperature should be capitalized (Sea Surface Temperature).  See here.   Since it is not capitalized, I changed all link texts to here to also be uncapitalized. — jdorje (talk) 22:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its abbreviation is capitalized, but the sea surface temperature phrase itself is not.  Thegreatdr (talk) 17:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: A large part of this text appears to have been cut and paste from [here]
Compare the wiki article from "The earliest technique..." and the article linked to above. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 16:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible plagiarism 

message: As this article is now being used as a subarticle to the improved numerical weather prediction article, it was time to bring it into wikipedia compliance on a number of issues, which got it upgraded to C class.  Created a lead for the article, added referencing, added appropriate images, added wikilinks, and reduced what appeared to be a large NOAA/NASA advertisement in the satellite section of the article (which was against MoS anyway).  The only major upgrade left is the referencing of the satellite section.  Let me know what you all think of the changes.    Thegreatdr (talk) 17:43, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent reorganization, expansion, and referencing 

message: There should be a separate article on OHC instead of a redirect to this article IMO. ~AH1(TCU) 01:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is likely true.  Thegreatdr (talk) 12:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is something to work with:  Lfstevens (talk) 01:18, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oceanic heat content 

message: Some good links for the article include more links to oscillations that involve SST-atmosphere temperature changes, more information on the effects of SST/salinity on sea ice freezing/melting and coral bleaching. ~AH1(TCU) 03:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: How on earth can an article on sea surface temperature achieve GA status without a discussion of ENSO??!!?? This only reinforces that the GA tag is meaningless as an indicator of content. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 19:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's an absolute necessity to an overview of SSTs, actually. There are many large-scale and small-scale factors that influence SST values across the globe, ENSO being merely one of them. Since the article seems to focus on the concept of SSTs and their meteorological effects rather than the patterns that change them, I don't think it's really a glaring omission. Juliancolton (talk) 20:02, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Boris, if you see a problem on here, be bold and fix it.  Don't rail against the system and not even bother, because you obviously care or you wouldn't bitch about it.  Your mama (in this case, me or some other wikipedian) isn't going to be there to fix every problem on here every time you cry your eyes out about it.  It is this type of attitude that drives people away from wikipedia and the met projects, and frankly I'm getting sick of it.  Thegreatdr (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Look, I don't mean to criticize you guys and apologize if that's how it came across. What I'm upset about is the whole GA /FA system because it purports to judge completeness and accuracy of content when it really doesn't -- it only reliably judges writing style and formatting.  I wouldn't have railed so vociferously if the article didn't wear the GA tag; I'd have just fixed it. I'd be much happier to contribute to meteorology articles in general if there wasn't such an emphasis on reaching GA/FA. The way I've put it before is that I'd rather write good articles than Good Articles. Just do the best job we can and screw all this GA/FA business. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While I see your point, this page isn't the proper forum for that kind of input...the GA/FA talk page is.  There was a 2007 review of the met articles, which pretty much told us what we knew, that the content is sub-par in the met project.  I'm just following wikipedia criteria and logical article progression, normally stopping at GAN because FAC is so draining of a process, but sometimes aspects of a topic will be missed.  I'm not perfect, and neither are reviewers.  Peer review on here is even worse than GAN or FA.  If nupedia had worked, there wouldn't be a need for wikipedia.  If there had been a climate project that focused on more than global warming sniping over the past several years, or a tropical cyclone project which focused on more encyclopedia-related met articles rather than storm articles, issues like this would have been taken care of years ago (my issues with wikipedia).  But as I've learned, it's very hard to direct people to do/edit anything more than they're comfortable doing on here.  However, recommending people avoid editing within the met/climate/TC project because it is a waste of time is not a good idea, hurts our cause as a whole, and rubs some of us the wrong way.  Overall, it's better to be inclusive, which is why I invited you to provide input within the NWP article. Thegreatdr (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: ENSO

message: Is this available anywhere? (for open water) What and where? • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:02, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: https://climate.copernicus.eu/july-2023-sees-multiple-global-temperature-records-broken 3rd graph Uwappa (talk) 16:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

text: https://climate.copernicus.eu/global-sea-surface-temperature-reaches-record-high Uwappa (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

text: https://climate.copernicus.eu/sites/default/files/custom-uploads/Page%20Uploads/July%2023%20CB/SST%20Article/era5_daily_series_sst_60S-60N_1979-2023.csv Uwappa (talk) 19:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maximum recorded sea surface temperature 

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message: I think we should have a section that is visible from the table of contents that explains succinctly the impact that climate change has on sea surface temperature (i.e. warming). We might not need a lot of new text but ensure people can find the relevant information (perhaps by using an excerpt from ocean heat content or effects of climate change on oceans). EMsmile (talk) 21:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I see this has now been created by USer:Kkimble08. Thanks for your great work during your student assignment! Much appreciated. EMsmile (talk) 10:41, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should have a clear section regarding climate change impacts 

message: Because ocean temperature redirects here, treat it as a legitimate page topic with the added paragraph: 
Ocean temperature is related to ocean heat content, an important topic in the debate over global warming. 
But you really have to question whether this redirect has lost its marbles, in the first place. — MaxEnt 21:20, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite my sarcasm, I'm about 50–50 that this is the better solution, as opposed to shifting the redirect directly to ocean heat content. Because a lot of people looking up "ocean temperature" are concurrently packing a suitcase. Tourists, first. We aim to please. — MaxEnt 21:27, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have just changed/updated the sentence in question. A hatnote has also recently been added (I was wondering the same thing if "ocean temperature" is correctly redirecting to here or not). EMsmile (talk) 21:01, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could we add a better explanation to the article on how sea surface temperature relates to ocean temperature? Currently we only say "Ocean temperature is related to ocean heat content. The increase of ocean temperature is an important effect of climate change on oceans.". Perhaps User:Baylorfk can help? Presumably the two are roughly proportional, i.e. if the sea surface temperature goes up then the ocean temperature also goes up (on average). But perhaps sea surface temperature makes up only a tiny proportion of the entire ocean temperature? EMsmile (talk) 10:51, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I can add a few sentences. Baylorfk (talk) 15:16, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, Baylorfk. I've moved your new sentence to the third paragraph of the lead and I've also added a new section called "definition" (as the lead is meant to be a summary of the article). Is this correctly worded?: . What's a good reference that we can cite for this kind of content? A textbook or something that is not behind a paywall? EMsmile (talk) 10:43, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure AR6, Chp 9, pg 1228, section 9.2.2.1 : Wikipedia:IPCC citation/AR6#Chapters.  Baylorfk (talk) 01:23, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just to close the loop: This ref (AR6, Chp 9, pg 1228) has been added. EMsmile (talk) 22:46, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarifying the relationship between ocean temperature and sea surface temperature