Talk:Elaeis

message: To the previous 2 unsigned entries and anyone else that comes across ths page. I have just added a very brief section on the social and environmental impacts of palm oil plantations. At this stage it is very incomplete and will be added to at a later stage. The aim is to make that section adhere to Wikipedias Neutral point of view NPOV, some previous edits by unregistered contributors have removed any references to deleterious effects of OP plantations. I would appreciate if this didn't happen again - if you feel my addition have a bias - please discuss them with me and point me to relevant sources/literature. Most of the sources cited so far are website - the aim will be to improve my sources and rely as much as possible on peer-review independent journals rather than grey literature and web sites. However, this will not always be possible. Sepilok2007 (talk) 09:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Social and environmental impacts

message: Someone should find all contradictions in this article. Yield is said to be 22 % or 30 % for pericarp oil. There are probably more errors. --Boongoman (talk) 20:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts'n figures 

message: "The oil palm originated in West Africa but has since been planted successfully in tropical regions within 20 degrees of the equator. There is evidence of palm oil use in Ancient Egypt. In the Republic of the Congo, or Congo Brazzaville, precisely in the Northern part, not far from Ouesso, local people produce this oil by hand. They harvest the fruit, boil it to let the water part evaporate, then they press what is left in order to collect the reddish, orange colored oil."
This paragraph needs some work. There should be a reference to the evidence of use in Egypt. Also, the part about Republic of Congo almost implies that this activity (making oil by hand) is particular to the area. Is that so, or is this the way oil is made in many areas? Unless this very location "not far from Ouesso" is unique, it should not be singled out in an encyclopedic article.
Mikeblyth (talk) 03:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements needed 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem 

message: Hello, I have some new information to add to this article regarding the oil palm's early history and to bring the production figures up-to-date. This request is on behalf of the Malaysian Palm Oil council, hence I am reaching out to editors via this discussion page message rather than adding this information myself. Right now, the History section does not discuss the oil palm's early history in much detail at all and I've found a couple of references to support the following addition:
Evidence of commercial cultivation of oil palms dates as far back as 5,000 years, with evidence found in tombs in Egypt of palm oil's use as a food and consumer good. In the late 1800s, archaeologists discovered a jar containing palm oil in a tomb at Abydos dating back to 3,000 BCE. It is believed that Arab traders brought the oil palm to Egypt.
:The above inserted with minor modifications (no jar was found, slight trimming). Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sminthopsis84, thanks for looking at this. I see you've not added it here, but in the Palm oil article. I've also put a message on your talk page to discuss this. YellowOwl (talk) 22:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

text: At WikiProject Plants, Sepilok2007 recommended I add a secondary source for the development scheme text regarding SALCRA. I’ve replaced this in the middle box above, now with reduced detail on SALCRA that comes from a secondary source. (To see what the middle box looked like before, here is the archive version of the initial post.) I hope if this is acceptable that someone will add it, and the other two revisions, to the article. Thanks in advance. YellowOwl (talk) 20:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put the text in on this page as a temporary measure; coordinating it with palm oil needs more work. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information for History and Production of palm oil 

message: Much of this needs to be rewritten as at the moment it is just an ego trip for MPOB and not supported by reliable sources e.g. "Malaysia's top research entity with the highest technology commercialisation rate of 20% compared to 5% among local universities" what is the sources for this?, how was this measured? Also commerialisation is only one way to assess a research entity - the number of high impact factor publications is another more commonly used matric (and easier to independently assess) Sepilok2007 (talk) 02:38, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a quick "Publish or Perish" search and Uni Malaya has a high H score (40) than MPOB (14). I know this is OR, but it suggest that the 'MPOB is the top research entity in Malaysia' statement needs to go, if someone can't provide a decent citation to support this statement Sepilok2007 (talk) 05:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Trimmed it a bit. The section was misnamed, it's not about research but about institutions. The text is duplicated on three pages, this one, Palm kernel oil, and Palm oil. I think this copy should go, but don't have a good plan about the other two. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:06, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research 

message: I would like to rename this page to Elaeis, which is the name of the genus that both oil palm species belong to. I find it confusing that both "oil palm" and "palm oil" pages exist. Changing to the genus name is in line with the policies of wikiproject plants. After the rename, material that is duplicated on the two pages could be trimmed to separate them into a page about the plants and a page about the uses of the plants. Unless people strenuously object, I'll make the move in a couple of days' time. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems desirable to split out a considerable part of the material on this page to one about Elaeis guineensis, the most-cultivated species. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:01, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two pages with confusingly similar names 

message: This section contravenes WP:NOTHOWTO, needs extensive trimming. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:31, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Planting

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