Talk:Freedom of religion in France

message: The reference by JW  is incorrect because the French state does not recognize any group as religion - none. Also there is no evidence in the report regarding the allegation and it is also not supported by Jehovah's_Witnesses_and_governments#France, therefore I remove it. --Irmgard 21:28, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I reinserted the link with explanations as to how it is very different to be recognized as a religion and as an association cultuelle. David.Monniaux 06:18, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfectly fine with me, as it is - also your other improvements. It's beginning to look like an encyclopedia article. Irmgard 08:14, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  JW 

message: What does this sentence mean?
:"The 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, of constitutional value, states:"
I understand the first part, but what I am having a problem with is the "of constitutional value" part.  I see that the link goes to the constitution of France, but that still is confusing to me in this context.  Does this mean that the 1789 declaration is part of the constitution?  Pouvez-vous écrire cette phrase en français? Oder auf Deutsch?  The English isn't making sense.  --Easter Monkey 08:32, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, a little crash course on French constitutional law. The preamble of the Constitution of France refers to the principles set in the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. In 1971, the Constitutional Council of France ruled a law unconstitutional because, according to it, it infringed on one of the freedoms described in the Declaration. Since then, the Declaration, though it is not part of the Constitution, is assumed to have equal legal standing with respect to it. The term for those constitution principles is principes fondamentaux reconnus par les lois de la République. (Note that long before the 1971 decision, court recognized the principes généraux du droit that executive, administrative or judicial decisions could not violate; however, these were considered inferior to legislative decisions.) David.Monniaux 08:56, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, got it, I've changed the sentence in question to reflect what I think was the original intent.  --Easter Monkey 09:13, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguous sentence 

message: Why is the text on MILS being deleted? --ZappaZ  17:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Which text do you mean? User:Irmgard removed a paragraph that had become duplicated. Is that it? David.Monniaux 18:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  MILS text 

message: I am trying to get the transcripts of the ICFFS conference, "Politics and Religion in France and the United States" , that took place last week. http://www.fsu.edu/~icffs/event-politics-religion.html . I think that it will be interesting to read them and see if we can incorporate some of their findings. --ZappaZ  04:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This conference looks interesting indeed! Please let me know if you find the transcripts. David.Monniaux 10:41, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ICFFS Conference 

message: There should be more discussion of French hostility towards slavery, especially the recent human right that forbids Muslim slaves to be shackled by their cult. --J4\/4 <talk> 15:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam 

message: The article goes out of its way to prepare the reader for "why" France restricts the religious freedoms of its citizens, and repeatedly makes rationalizations for that government. I've deleted some of this puff. Also, all other pages on religious freedoms in governments deal with the immediate, and do not put precedents on the freedoms enjoyed in 1790 or somesuch. It is clear from the article, and subsequent news articles which are easily obtainable, that the government of France is frequently in violation of the freedoms of its citizens to practice religion. I found two articles detailing that a ECHR ruling found France in violation of article 9 its convention. That seems pretty major to me. Previously, the article only stated similar to "Jehovah's Witnesses have won and lost some legal battles that involved taxes." The article could also use a major shift to WIKIFY and leave off from the editorialising and unsourced opinionated comments. There are also several umbrella articles of this article, covering the same material, but under the names of several documents. Each of these articles has similar problems. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 08:58, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Article is a puff piece

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