Wikipedia talk:Administrator intervention against vandalism/Archive 9

message: User:74.92.89.126 has been blocked three times and is still vandalising.
I have been reporting persistent vandals who have ignored final warnings here but nearly all of my reports have not ben acted on, and vandal has continued to vandalise. Why is no action taken, causing a big waste of time by those trying to maintain Wikipedia?  --David Broadfoot (talk) 06:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fighting vandals can be quite frustrating, can't it.  They just keep coming back.  We try to keep vandal blocks shorter, so that if the IP is reassigned or is shared, other users won't be impacted.  The usual pattern is progressively longer blocks, which is what has been going on here.  The IP has been blocked four times previously, most recently for a week.  In light of the pattern of vandalism, and the recent vandalism immediately following the release of a block, I re-blocked for a month.  Our technology is imperfect, and the cost of all the good work most IPs do is the vandalism which comes from a minority.  --TeaDrinker (talk) 06:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks TD. I understand that - but can anyone tell me why most of the clear vandalism reports I make to WP:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism are not acted upon, even when it is a vandalism-only account? The result is that I feel it is a further waste of time making the report. --David Broadfoot (talk) 09:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: P.S. Some pages like Olympic Games and Wrestling are vandalised on a regular basis, and sometimes a well-meaning editor tries to correct the vandalism by editing instead of reverting, resulting in many lost paragraphs. --David Broadfoot (talk) 09:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give me some examples? --Chris 09:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I went back and checked and found that 3 out of 5 of my reports resulted in blocks. All  my reports were of IP addresses. Here are the two that didn't result in blocks:  and .  --David Broadfoot (talk) 12:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One was blocked here and the other wasn't blocked here because there had been no activity for two days, so four out of five blocks. Khukri 13:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both the links you gave point to the same place, which doesn't relate to either of the IPs I reported. Here are those IP's talk pages:  and .  --David Broadfoot (talk) 14:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First link is correct, sry about the second, changed to the correct diff. First one was blocked by snowolf for 3 days. Second was refused by Edgar181, no activity for two days. Khukri 14:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the message by Snowolf on the user's talk page, but it wasn't clear to me that was an actual block (it uses the word "may" and doesn't mention the number of days blocked.) Also, it looked like many edits had been made after that date, but I see that the talk page uses UTC whereas the contributions page appears to use local time! The second user mentioned above has vandalised twice more since.  Thanks for the explanations.  --David Broadfoot (talk) 06:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Just on a side note and not saying you have, but one of the things we are seeing quite often as a reporting rationale for IP's is that they are a vandalism only accounts. As TD mentioned above we have to be careful with the blocks for IP's and because IP's are not accounts, we would not give them an indefinite block as we would with a bona fide vandalism only registered account. The rationale for vandalism only account can/should only used for a registered account. Khukri 10:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But I was not complaining about an indefinite block not being dished out. I was complaining about no block at all being issued. Vandals see these multiple "Last Warning" messages and treat them as as joke.  --David Broadfoot (talk) 12:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: That was his first block, again a short block is usually given for a first time, next time will be longer. Khukri 13:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My point was that a 31 hour block is meaningless to someone who logs on only once a fortnight to post their spam links. Each case needs to be looked at according to its merits.  This user's only interaction with Wikipedia for the past nine months is to use it to advertise his business - and every time he posts, someone has to revert. Banning the domain name seems to have no downside for Wikipedia, and the user would still be free to edit Wikipedia constructively should he ever decide to do so. Thanks.  --David Broadfoot (talk) 14:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are talking about Blacklisting the url then aiv is not the place to make the request. --Chris 07:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Chris. I will look there.  --David Broadfoot (talk) 12:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AntiSpamBot might be another possibility. Tonywalton Talk 12:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:74.92.89.126]], and other PITNs 

message: One of our problems is we are creating confusion by using subjective terms such as recent final warning. To one editor it might mean within the last week, to me personally it means if there is a high chance that the vandalising editor is still in front of the keyboard and likely to continue, so within the last couple of hours usually. OK with a registered account it is less critical, but with an IP interpretation of recent is causing alot of problems. Anyone one else think we should at least try to quantify this recent to clear up some of the ambiguity and maybe help so that we cut down on the number of reports we have to throw out? I know putting an arbitrary limit on it is difficult, but we can at least give an example. Thoughts .... Cheers Khukri 13:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Registered users regarding the same subject matter or manner of vandalism - I will look back a two or three days. IP's under the same criteria, 24 hours. IP's indicating that there may be multiple users or a mix of good and bad edits, the current session. The further away the warning was the less likely I am to sanction - but I often look into the block log to see if there are any patterns; if they have been blocked before for the same reasons then warnings are just reminders of the consequences of such edits and not a time related notice. I cannot say that this is a hard and fast rule for me, but it reflects my thinking. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: (ec)The blocking admins all know (and this point has been made so clear, no admin can say they don't know) that all blocks should be preventing damage to the project, and not be punitive. WIth this in mind, I feel administrators should go with their own judgement. If they feel further vandalism is imminent, they can block, and if not, deny the block. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But I think it's missing the point a bit when you have a huge history of vandalism like this User_talk:194.66.185.193 - the same page has been vandalised by the same IP 19 times in the past two hours, and this type of activity has been going on for two years now! What can be done about it?  --David Broadfoot (talk) 14:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing, they have a block now for 6 months, it's an educational facility and unfortunately now we've stopped the access for alot of potential editors due to the puerile actions of a few. Khukri 14:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: If I recall my college days faithfully, those from this institution which are legitimate editors to Wikipedia will take corrective actions with those who are responsible for the IP address being blocked for six months. But I doubt it very much with this specific IP address. I have sampled about 25% of the contributions from this IP address and all were vandalism. --Jazzeur (talk) 05:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Trouble is, I don't know if there is a good way to quantify it, and I'm not sure all admins are applying the same standard (for better or worse). In a case like StarHub where we have a single IP shared between hundreds of helpful users, and just a few terrible ones, "recent" could wind up meaning just a few minutes. In other cases with a dynamic address, where the same user comes back week after week, month after month, always attacking the same page in the same way, "recent" could take on quite a different meaning. There are of course quite a few mediums to be mixed in, but hopefully you get the idea. If anybody has a good idea for a general rule of thumb that manages to be short and to the point, I'd be overjoyed. – Luna Santin (talk) 09:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does recent actually mean? 

message: It took me about 6 tries to get a notice in without an edit conflict.  This is not the right way to implement a queue.  Of course, mediawiki should try to apply the diff which the submit represents to the modified page; but anyway it would also be possible to direct users to an add section link.
I think this is important: many people won't try so hard.  —Jemmytc 19:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could use the '+' tab at the top of the page to avoid the edit conflicts. Addhoc (talk) 20:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm aware of this; I'm saying that the page should direct users to do so.  Perhaps I should just "be bold" and do it myself...  —Jemmytc 03:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not convinced that the AIV should be the page used to give general instruction to newcomers to Wikipedia. By the time most editors have sussed out how to report vandals round here, they are usually pretty au fait with Wikipedia and it's usage. Though for the few who aren't we don't mind pointing them in the right direction and if anywhere it belongs here. Khukri 10:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, we're talking about technical advice about how to use this page, not "general instruction to newcomers."  And I notice that as a matter of fact the '+' tab is not used (nobody in the current history of 50 used it), and indeed the "bot-reported" and "user-reported" sectioning discourages it. —Jemmytc 01:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The '+' tab exists only on talk pages. There isn't one on WP:AIV ;-) Snowolf How can I help? 12:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The __NEWSECTIONLINK__ text which causes the '+' to display has been in place at WP:AIV for some time now for this reason. The '+' should appear right next to the 'edit' tab when using the default skin. -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit conflicts 

message: This user has vandalised a number of pages using his User Id User:767-249ER and anonymously and most recently he has made threats on my Talk Page. Is there anywhere I can report such threats? J Bar (talk) 05:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left final npa warning, and will monitor. Khukri 13:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:767-249ER]] 

message: Can we put a notice that reminds user that vandalism only accounts are accounts, not IPs? Snowolf How can I help? 17:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do, I've taken to leaving messages about this on new vandal patrollers talk pages. User:Alexfusco5 has started an essay here, where it could be written. When I get the time, I'm going to add what actually constitutes "recent" final warning.  Khukri 18:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got something akin to that here too. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 00:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism only accounts 

message: There is [what appears to be] one user repeatedly vandalizing the page Cliff Hangers by adding to the image caption a descriptor of the contestant shown (first it was a "black contestant", then "male" then they change the "a" to a "one", and then changed it to "a contestant likely to vote for..." some candidate). The edit seems to come from a unique IP every few times. What can be done about this type of user/vandalism. One of the edits was made by a user who also vanadalized another page, but otherwise they have been restricted to this page, seemingly. thanks. TheHYPO (talk) 19:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left a note for the most recent IP, and will watchlist the article - probably about the best thing to do with the slow-motion activity from the IPs. Tony Fox (arf!) 19:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with anonyuser 

message: I  and mentioned "Image Vandalism."  The request was declined because I used the wrong word and I meant to say "Repeated uploading of copyrighted material," which appears on WP:VAND.  I was not sure if it was appropriate to add it directly back to the page, so I'm commenting here.  Should this be relisted or listed on ANI (or not listed at all)?  --Thinboy00 @76, i.e. 00:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mistake on my part, as I removed the request. I shouldn't have removed the request, and I apologise for it. I wasn't really sure of that particular part anyway. Sorry for any inconvenience there. Spebi 00:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's okay, we all make mistakes.  --Thinboy00 @87, i.e. 01:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  User talk:Jamierush 

message: I've warned this user that it is against policy to remove block warnings and notices from his user talk page. He has repeatedly been removing these from his talk page. I gave him one official warning and eventually reported him at WP:AIAV. Nothing was done about it however. I've been told by several editors that doing what he was doing is against policy, but I can't seem to find the specific page it's on so I can backup my claim. Can anyone tell me if this is actually policy and if it is where to find it. Thanks. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ(talk/contribs) 02:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, removing warnings is allowed, and it's tacit acknowledgment. Block notices are another matter. Declined unblocks specifically say in the template not to remove them. I think leaving the block notices just makes administrative common sense, even if it's not required by code. —C.Fred (talk) 04:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After I reported the user, nobody did anything about it and it was removed. Should I try again? ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ(talk/contribs) 04:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, it says not to remove it while blocked, but this person isn't blocked anymore. Thanks anyway. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ(talk/contribs) 05:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User Talk:Xsyner]] 

message: Pizanob has been vandalizing the article Empezar Desde Cero, saying "Both singers [Yuridia and Shakira] would ultimately beat them out to number 1." That is vandalism. I already warned him.Empezardesdecero1718 (talk) 05:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pizanob 

message: User:194.46.114.164 has blanked criticisms of the game Folklore (video game), and these appear to be his/her only edits. I have posted a message on his/her talk page, but I fear s/he may do it again. Black-Velvet 15:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: There seems to be a few of them:
*User:71.226.146.127
*User:194.46.97.162
*User:81.96.124.164
They've all edited the criticism section in such a way as to promote the game, many of the edits being quite sneaky (many going undetected for weeks afterward). They all seem to have more or less confined their edits to this particular game, or Folklore and a few others. Black-Velvet 15:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game spammers 

message: All,
Where is the template to use in reporting vandalism? I don't mean what we post on the vandal's page, I mean what we post here. It isn't on the main AIV page anymore... —ScouterSig 19:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you mean this. I can see it in edit mode  . --Sandahl 21:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the template? 

message: I'm proposing an additional category in the :Template:Editabuselinks to reduce the number of posts at WP:AN and WP:AN/I, please feel free to comment here User:Mbisanz/TemplateSandbox. MBisanz talk 13:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed template change 

message: Is it the new policy that no reports are put on userpages that are blocked?   I found this really pretty helpful when I knew a persistent vandal had been blocked so that I could turn my attention elsewhere. --Deadly∀ssassin(talk) 04:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No report on userpage 

message: Where's the IPvandal template? I had to look at the history of this page in order to find it. Huntthetroll (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or if you are trying to report an IP it is  Alexfusco5 03:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they meant why isn't in the commented-out intro section of the edit window.  I replaced it, it had gone missing. --barneca (talk) 10:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No template for anonymous vandals 

message: Is it me, or are there a lot of reports coming in that state the vandal's continued past final warning, but in fact the final warning was issued at essentially the same time as the report? I'm never sure what to do with these if they're marginal cases... Tony Fox (arf!) 21:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea is probably "I'll report it now, to allow for some time before an admin sees it and responds" -- that or people don't feel like changing some default message, whether because it's scripted or just a phrase they're used to. In some cases one user will report for blocking while a different user issues a final warning, which can be tricky. In some cases, it shouldn't hurt to leave a quick reply saying you'll keep an eye out and wait for more trouble (for admins or not). I say "quick" to try to avoid edit conflicts, here. Just a few thoughts on that topic. – Luna Santin (talk) 22:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Final warnings" concurrent with reports 

message: "As an anti-spam measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes."
:I'm guessing admins don't have a throttle, and vandals certainly don't have a throttle, what's going on here?--Heliac (talk) 15:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is in regards to the rollback throttle, it is there to prevent someone from mass-reverting many edits before being blocked. Nakon 00:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Note this was discussed on ANI. Hut 8.5 10:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  soft on vandalism? 

message: The fact an IP vandalizes multiple times and then stops for a few hours is not sufficient reason to ignore the vandalism and not block the account.  Active "now" should mean, at the very least, "active within the past day".  There is no question that a vandalism-only IP with two blocks in the past week () or an IP that has done nothing but vandalize since their last block expired () is going to vandalize again, and we shouldn't reward them just because we didn't see the vandalism for six hours after it occurred. Torc2 (talk) 21:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Blocking is not a punishment: it's to protect the project.  We don't block pre-emptively.  For registered users, there's more leeway if we see a vandal-only account, but since many IP's are dynamic, collateral damage may be caused by blocking IP's "just in case". The header at the top of AIV says "the vandal is active now and has vandalized after sufficient warnings".  IP's may not represent the same individual over time, and we can't assume (in most cases) that they're wilfully ignoring an old warning or block. Acroterion (talk) 21:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This has never been the case before, and I've never seen vandalism six hours old be labeled "stale" before today.  How are we supposed to report IPs generating vandalism if that vandalism is more than an hour old, or are the vandalism warnings just meaningless now? Torc2 (talk) 21:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: For that matter, what's the purpose of blocking an IP for more than 6 hours if you're not going to assume the same behavior or the same person behind the IP?  Plenty of IPs get blocked for months or up to a year; why do that if we can't assume that they're willfully ignoring warnings? Torc2 (talk) 21:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Typically on IP reports on AIV, "stale" means more than 30 minutes old. Please remember to distinguish between IP's and users.  If an IP has stopped, then great.  Vandal-only registered accounts can be blocked at any time, but it's still best to catch it somewhere around the time of the offense. Unless it's a static IP, there's no such thing as a "vandalism-only IP". Long-term IP blocks tend to be applied to schools where it just goes on and on ... Please don't view this as softness on vandalism: I've issued my share of 3 to 12 month blocks.  But when AIV is full of vandalism reports that are going on right now, the stale stuff just gets in the way and slows things down, keeping us from swatting the active vandals. Acroterion (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then where do we put those reports where they'll get attention?  And why not specify "30 minutes" in the rules and direct reporters where to go if it's been longer than that? Torc2 (talk) 22:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's WP:ABUSE for those with five or more offenses.  As for a time limit, that would be self-defeating - if it's real busy, or if there are no admins watching AIV, a half hour limit might do more harm than good. FYI, those IP's are on my watchlist now. Acroterion (talk) 22:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: For other views, see this thread.  Acroterion (talk) 22:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stale? 

message: It's been a while since I reported a vandal, and was amazed to see the new info box which apparently indicates a new "soft" stance against vandalism. I now have to spell out exactly what the vandal did to get it taken care of? Things that were once considered vandalism no longer are? My God, COME ON! We editors fight this crap ongoingly, and the best defense we had was swift and decisive action by admins against vandalism. If this is no longer the case, I will have to think very carefully about if I want to continue helping to keep Wikipedia clean and accurate. IP editors who are basically untouchable continually vandalize these articles without any requirement to register. If I had my way, you would have to register to edit to begin with. If my take on this is true, you are going to begin losing a lot of diligent editors as time passes. Many of us already feel like we are at the breaking point. -- Elaich  talk 02:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with all of the above and would like to add my voice to argument that wikipedia needs to have a register before editor policy. I myself am fighting to keep pages free of vandalism but i simply cant do it forever! And as soon as i leave, be it next month or in 50 years time, these pages are going to become full of vandalism/false information again. TheProf07 (talk) 00:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes can common sense please prevail. Chensiyuan (talk) 04:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New "soft" approach to vandalism? 

message: The following is found inmediately after beginning of section "Ancestry" in Puerto Rican article:
My friend J.Bonet(Puerto Rican)served his country during Operation Enduring Freedom. HOORAH AT3(AW/SW)Bonet You are a true American hero!!! Love ya, AT3(AW/SW)Smith
I do not belief it belongs there.
Greetings  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robruiz (talk • contribs) 07:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it and another vandalism edit.  Reporting vandalism here is not the appropriate place.  Instead, you can revert the change yourself and then report it to WP:AIV should admin intervention be necessary. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember to drop the v-tests when reverting vandalism, they usually scare vandals away or in the worst of cases fasten a block for persistent vandalism. - Caribbean~H.Q. 07:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? on Puerto Rican article 

message: I'm constantly reverting vandalism and reporting vandals, and it's very frustrating to see users who have been blocked multiple times for vandalism in the past, be allowed to come back and vandalize until they've done it three warned times or whatever. Then even when I'm successful at getting them blocked, the block is only for a short period. Can't we have a three strikes rule? If you've been blocked twice for repeated vandalism, then the third block is very long? I'm looking for some help here. There are numerous examples of what I'm talking about. Thanks, Enigmaman (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is usually how it works with vandalism.  If an account has been blocked twice already and still vandalizes, I think any administrator would consider that a vandalism-only account, which are indef blocked.  If you're referring to IP vandals, we have to handle those differently, unfortunately, which can lead to having to block many many times, since indef blocks usually aren't appropriate in those cases.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 17:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember something else with IP vandals: it's not really possible for us to know who's being blocked each time. Who uses each IP changes regularly, and thus even if an IP was been warned and blocked in the past, it may not be the same person using that IP to vandalize now. That's part of why we tend to start afresh each time an IP starts vandalizing. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 17:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, unless there's evidence to the otherwise. If they vandalize a particular page repeatedly, I'll accept it's the same vandal - although it could be students vandalizing their own/a rival school's article. If it's the exact same vandalism, then I treat it as the same person, and I factor in warnings they've gotten for that particular sequence of vandalism. Otherwise, with IP vandals, you have to assume (somewhat like good faith) that each instance is an experimenting new user and not a repeat vandal. —C.Fred (talk) 18:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Even with IP addresses, if you see the address keeps coming back and vandalizing, you have to assume it's the same person. I'm talking IP addresses that have done nothing over the span of over a year except vandalize pages. You see a lot of the same IP addresses constantly popping back up on the project page. Enigmaman (talk) 18:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that easy. You might assume it, if it is a home cable-modem or ADSL account, but it is not guaranteed. You have to assume it is a different user in a school, library or cyber-cafe IP for example, and have to tread lightly in those cases. That said, there are prescribed blocks up to a year for troublesome school accounts, but no indef for IPs. HTH. -- Alexf(Talk/Contribs) 19:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Community practice generally favors short blocks on shared IPs when possible, but pragmatically recognizes that it eventually saves a lot of time and effort to apply longer blocks of escalating duration in the event an IP is submitting nothing but problems over a long period of time -- we can start off counting blocks in hours, later in days, and finally in weeks or months. If there are any specific cases you'd like reviewed, feel free to post to the admin noticeboards or contact me directly. – Luna Santin (talk) 00:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

text: *I concur with Luna Santin and would be happy to receive requests concerning good faith specific cases also.--VS talk 01:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for stronger stance against vandalism 

message: I'm trying to report  Single purpose spam account taken all the way up the warning ladder MickMacNee (talk) 16:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there were two separate problems.  First, I think the example got corrupted, so for a while you (and others) were actually reporting "inside" a comment, and the reports weren't visible.  Nlu fixed it, all should be OK now.  Also, it appears you are trying to report an IP that is already blocked, so the Bot removes those reports within seconds.  Remember to add you report to the very bottom of the page. --barneca (talk) 16:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah right, is it not usual practice to update the IP's talk page with a block notice? MickMacNee (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 16:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Different admins do it different ways.  Most do, I believe, some don't per WP:DENY, and some don't because they forget.  Sometimes the IP will remove the block notice themselves.  I've learned, after multiple time-wasting trips to WP:AIV earlier in my career here, to check the block log before submitting a report, even if the talk page has no notice. You can also see the edit summary of the bot; if your report is removed, the bot will indicate it is already blocked. --barneca (talk) 16:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted for next time, will stop wasted trips here lol MickMacNee (talk) 17:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I can't report for some reason 

message: seams to be a vandal to me...he did recived two warnings and all his edits are nonsense. AdrianCo (talk) 21:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Only made one edit in months. IPs change, and it is probably a different person (it's registered to "Comcast Cable Communications  Inc. "). No need for a block without vandal edits after a final warning. Hut 8.5 21:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The user has only done one vandalism edit in recent times. I just warned them about it. Remember that being an anonymous user from an IP address, may not be the same person every time. Keep an eye on them, post the proper warnings using the standard templates  and if they become a nuisance, after proper warnings report them to AIV. -- Alexf42 21:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well ok! Thanks! I will try not to report false vandals in the future! AdrianCo (talk) 07:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not realy sure if I should do this ...but... 

message: Earlier today, I blocked User:82.110.133.156 following a report to this page. I'm slightly puzzled that neither the report, nor its removal (presumably by the helperbot) show in the page history. I've clicked through, diff by diff and it's as if I imagined it. Slightly peculiar, but I'm sure someone can explain what happened. --Dweller (talk) 12:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Bit more digging, revealed Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism/TB2. I guess that page is transcluded to the AIV page --Dweller (talk) 12:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, it is, and that' caught me out before, too.  I'm not a fan of this set up as I rely on the RSS feed of this page to inform me of new reports and the status of the page, via the helperbots' edit summaries.  It means I miss half the story; it was much better when WP:AIV was a single page. Waggers (talk) 12:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I had noticed the same thing several times this past week. Did not dig deep enough, and now I see some of them at the TB2 page you mentioned. -- Alexf42 12:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: it was much better when WP:AIV was a single page - the TB2 page has existed for at least a year, if not much much longer. I believe it was created because people worried that Talkerbot2 (the first anti-vandal bot, IIRC) could crapflood AIV and the reports, being automated, needed a different level of research before being acted upon. Admins were asked to watchlist TB2 at that time, with a couple of reminders issued across the following month. This would still seem to be the best solution - watchlist/RSS TB2 as well as AIV. ➔ REDVEЯS with my innocent hand on my heart 13:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Must've missed that newsletter :-) (and its reminder) Given that there's been no "crapflood" is the reason for the subpage now in abeyance? --Dweller (talk) 13:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly. I don't know if the bots need a separate page for technical reasons (I doubt it). But, in theory, the reports still need a different level of research before being acted upon because they are automated and supposedly more likely to be wrong. But then again, the level of reports by humans to AIV can be of such a poor quality anyway, the positions could well be reversed! ➔ REDVEЯS with my innocent hand on my heart 13:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. It occurs to me that I became an admin after this was notified to the admins. And, givent the volume of successful RfAs, a good number of others will have too. Perhaps if there's no good reason for keeping them separate they could be merged. I think most admins are careful with all AIV reports, regardless of originator. --Dweller (talk) 13:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely came after as I'm newly minted, and was wondering why some did not show up. I am always more careful with Bot reports for the reasons stated. -- Alexf42 16:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandal report and removal not showing in page history 

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Just to set the record straight on "maybe 1% useful edits and 99% outright vandalism." Kingturtle (talk) 17:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. ;) Kafziel Take a number 17:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I did a survey myself a while ago - User:Hut 8.5/anon edits. Hut 8.5 18:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

text: "Even someone who sits at a public computer is able to register and use an account. Correct?"  No.  If the IP is blocked, we usually block account creation as well.  In order to edit, they would have to apply for a third party to create an account for them, and wait for it to be done.  If they're at a public computer (say in a library or internet cafe), chances are their time on the computer is limited, so the notion of trawling through the help and WP pages to find the procedure, follow it, and then wait for a response - that's hardly going to appeal to many people.  We don't want hard or soft administrators, we want fair administrators. Waggers (talk) 22:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Amen, brother, amen. bibliomaniac15 22:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: tests

message: Greetings AIV folks!  Does anyone happen to know when the FixInstructions task was turned off in the HBC AIV helperbot permission string at the top of WP:AIV?  Was it decided that it is not wanted anymore, or was this simply an accident/vandalism?  I don't particularly mind either way, but just thought I should check and see if it was perhaps turned off accidentally.  I don't see any discussions with an obvious heading in the talk archives here.  Thanks in advance! —Krellis (Talk) 22:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helperbot Fix Instructions Task 

message: Been vandal fighting for a while now - However, what I seem to encounter (and I know everyone has their own opinions and what not regarding what constitutes vandalism and what doesn't..or rather..what warrants a block and what doesn't. But far to often there seems to be inconsistency. I'd like to just get a simple consensus from most of you. As a case in point example: If a user that registers an account vandalizes 6-7 times in a row, and has received only 2 or 3 warnings with the last not being a final warning, is it appropriate to report this user as a "vandalism only account"? I ask only because I've done so and have seen many users blocked indefinitely or for a short period of time, while other instances I've been notified that I was acting to hasty. Clarification please. Thanks guys! Wisdom89 (talk) 11:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, one other thing, is there anyway that an anonymous IP addy with a loooong history of vandalism and blocks could be reported (with or without TW) as a "vandalism only account" - in such a way as to convey that the individual who has committed the latest vandalism be blocked temporarily? Wisdom89 (talk) 11:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm quite happy to block when it's obvious that an IP or account is only being used abusively, such as in your example above; what tends to be the problem is when an IP has a history of unproductive edits, then after a large gap of time makes one or two edits and is brought to AIV - this may be a completely different person making test edits, for example.  It's something that each admin has different methods of acting upon, and I wouldn't take it as a personal affront if a request isn't actioned. Black Kite 12:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I understand - And I don't consider it a personal affront - however, my concerns lie with a feeling or exhibition of incompetency with WP:AIV. Far too often has that happened. Ok, so generally speaking it's a judgment call in the end I take it. If there is a large abeyance of activity for an anon IP, it's best to assume that the return of vandalism is a new user. However, if it's a similar form of vandalism (same articles, same MO), should this be filed in with the report and is it generally accepted that this method is now frowned upon? Wisdom89 (talk) 18:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, give whatever information you can.  As I said below, mention that it appears to be a static IP and you'll likely get a different reaction than if you don't.  Keep in mind that dozens or hundreds of different administrators keep an eye on AIV.  Despite what some people say, we don't all share a hive mind.  You're going to get different reactions from different administrators.  —Wknight94 (talk) 18:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, that's inevitable I suppose. Thanks for your help guys, really. Good stuff. Watch for more of my reports. They come in droves sometimes :). Wisdom89 (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

text: For your first question, I've had disagreements with admins in the past.  In your example I will absolutely permablock every time.  Others are extreme sticklers about a "final" warning.  To me, recurring vandals get used to the "final" warning and just add as much vandalism as they want until the "final", then they wait a few weeks and start again.  It's probably a fun little game for them - how many "finals" can they get?  It should never take "6-7 times in a row" of testing to get used to things here.  By 6-7, it's become a joke.  If edit #1 shows obvious knowledge of Wikipedia - like template or image vandalism or targeting a specific user, I'll block after one edit with no warning at all as an obvious sockpuppet/troll.  For your second question, I don't like when IPs are labelled "vandalism only account".  For one, an IP is not an account at all so that's an oxymoron.  Second, I would be looking for a pattern that showed a "non-shared" or static IP.  That term doesn't get used enough.  If you can show me that an IP is doing the same type of vandalism now as it did a week ago and as it did a month ago, I'll immediately block for a long time, bypassing the standard escalation schedule.  In that case, I can assume that all of the vandalism is one person, therefore any warnings given a month ago do apply to the current situation.  Otherwise, I have to assume the current vandalism is a completely different person and, unless it's an elementary school with 12 blocks or something, I'll look for a warning or two or three, or I'll look for some extremely blatant vandalism, and then proceed with the standard blocking escalation.  —Wknight94 (talk) 12:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So how does one best identify a vandalism-only IP?LeadSongDog (talk) 07:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the reverse DNS for signs of being static. Check the content of the vandalism over a long time and see if it matches one person editing. Apart from that always assume more than one person uses that IP Agathoclea (talk) 08:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, my question wasn't clear.  Having done that, how does a regular user identify best report it to get AIV?LeadSongDog (talk) 17:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just go to WP:AIV, make a new report and include a note that says something like "appears to be a static IP - similar pattern of vandalism for months".  —Wknight94 (talk) 18:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotcha. Thank you.LeadSongDog (talk) 23:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question for the big guns (administrators) 

message: Most of my admin work is in deletions -- I've done less than half a dozen blocks, and this is a new situation for me. I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction.
216.124.224.103 is an IP address coming from Illinois Central College, and has had a large amount of vandalism associated with it. I've put a 24 hour block on this IP for the latest round of vandalism (but allowed account creation), but I've seen on IP pages in the past special templates for pages with school vandalism problems. I also think something more than a 24 hour block is needed, given the persistent vandalism, but I really don't like to do that for an IP or a school (and there's a couple of good edits and good faith edits). Guidance please?--Fabrictramp (talk) 17:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The template is Template:SharedIPEdu, so you can add that to the IP's talk page. If there is a long term pattern of vandalism from an IP registered to an educational institution, with short blocks having no effect, then the usual practice is to place extended blocks (anything up to a year at a time) leaving  as the block reason, with account creation disabled. If anyone wants to edit Wikipedia from that institution then the block template advises the user to create an account at home and log in at the institution. Hut 8.5 17:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the quick help! --Fabrictramp (talk) 18:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me say that one should be careful with school IP blocks.  If the IP is a college, it may be more damaging to have a long-term block.  When it's a high school I never think twice.  This can be tricky because although those are the standard names in the states, things can be different elsewhere.  Mangojuicetalk 19:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on how to proceed 

message: I'm just throwing this out there as an idea for now, and would appreciate comment. Sometimes when I'm reporting vandals (normally IPs) who have a final warning already there's already something present at AIV. Would it be possible to implement a system whereby I could change the priority of a vandal report if they're still vandalising significantly while the report is in place but before it's acted upon? Something that would, for example, put a coloured box around the report, or add a 2nd "important" bullet point under it to encourage admins watching the page (especially if it's backlogged) to go for those ones first. Thanks —αlεx•mullεr 20:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I like this idea.  Even if it's rejected, you can just include a note on your "reason" such as high priority vandal low priority vandal etc.  Malinaccier (talk) 00:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just make a further comment if you find other reports are being acted on first and you think your report should be dealt with more quickly.  This would only really happen if there's a big backlog.  There's no reason to make this at all formal, just when it's really necessary to get attention even faster, add a note in bold like CONTINUES TO VANDALIZE AT HIGH SPEED, PRIORITIZE PLEASE, and it will pop out at people.  Mangojuicetalk 04:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mango's suggestion has worked well enough, in the past. m:IRC can be an excellent way to get quick admin attention in a crisis, as well. – Luna Santin (talk) 05:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blocking Priority 

message: This sounds stupid, but: I've been e/c'd four times in the last hour, trying to respond to four different reports.  Each time, when I've finally decided whether to block or not and for how long, I see another admin has already dealt with the report.  The problem, I'm sure, is that I'm going about 2 miles per hour, trying to get it right.  So, is there a way to call "dibs" on a report?  Are many of you on IRC or something saying "I'll take that one", and it's kind of invisible to us non-IRC people?  Or is it really kind of a feeding frenzy that I'm going to just have to get used to?  I considered adding a comment below a report saying "I'm looking at this one", but since I never, ever see anyone else doing that, frankly I'd be a little too embarrassed to be the only one doing it.  Even when I get used to this and start doing it faster, it seems like people would be bumping into each other all the time.  isn't that sort of inefficient?  Curious if I'm missing something easy.  In the mean time, I assume if I start from the bottom of the list, going slightly out of order to avoid conflicts, no one's going to recall me, right? --barneca (talk) 00:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is I believe watchlisted by mostly every sysop and if we see something there, we do our checks and then do our actions. If the user does not meet the criteria for revocation of editing rights, we leave them there. It has been extremely busy during the last few hours and you just have to fight the reporters and the bots to get your comments in or just don't worry about it at all. Most of us do get conflicted when going to block a user, but all you then have to do is return to AIV and try your luck on another one. That is what you get if you have active sysops :) — E talk 00:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't already, you can use popups to check the vandal's editing diffs to avoid having to reload the user's contribs over and over. This might speed things up a bit. Malinaccier (talk) 00:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That helps a bit, but the real time sink for me is organic, not software: reviewing the edits to make sure they're vandalism, reviewing old edits to see if it's likely the same vandal or a newbie experimenting, reviewing block log to decide on an approriate length, etc.  I don't mind taking my time, I just don't want to take my time only to have the issue already dealt with when I'm done. --barneca (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: What's kind of annoying also is blocking a vandal, and then going to the talk page to notify them, and another admin has already added the uw-block template.  Malinaccier (talk) 00:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What I do is: load contribs, check time of last diff, and last diff. Go to talk, check time of last warning. Check WHOIS and RDNS. Block. Leave warning. Pretty quick in that order, esp with tabbed browsing. Prodego talk 00:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I have to say that this is a nice problem to have, as opposed to the constant backlogs we used to have at AIV.  I admit it's a bit frustrating when you go through the contribs and make your decision only to find someone else got there first.  However, the most important thing, in my opinion, is to be comfortable that you are making the right call and not rush it.  If it means that you sometimes waste effort, so be it.--Kubigula (talk) 02:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say, if there are too many admins working on AIV at a given moment, switch to another task and come back to AIV later.  There are plenty of things that need admin attention.  Mangojuicetalk 05:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the trick is, you never know how many admins are working on AIV ahead of time.  When AIV is backlogged and it appears it needs more admins to help out, that's the time when others are likely to come help out too, and you end up with 3 admins looking into vandal no. 1 at the same time. --barneca (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: You just wait for the time when you find that you feel you are the only sysop in town and AIV is filling up - I've gone to ANI to request help more than once. One thing to check, though, if someone gets to the banhammer before you do is whether the block enacted is the same (or very close) to what you decided; if it is then you are at least in in the right area. If it is very different you can always drop the admin a quick question as to how they came to their decision - just ask nicely and explain that you are on the learning curve. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've been doing "mock AIV" for a little while, seeing if I'd have done similarly.  Haven't asked anyone about different decisons tho, as I suspect however nicely I word it, it will come off as veiled criticism. --barneca (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Too many admins working on AIV at a given moment ? When America is asleep, then you can only count on the few admins from other continents to counter vandalism. JoJan (talk) 20:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Too true, JoJan – I've noticed it get really bad in the mornings for me, around 7/8 am UTC —αlεx•mullεr 21:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But I would have thought all the vandals would be asleep too?  The US might be overrepresented in admins, but I would have thought we'd be overrepresented in vandals too. --barneca (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slightly embarrassing newbie admin question 

message: Im unsure where to report vandalism, if this is not the right place, i do apologize. Im have problems with the user Marcus22  on the United Kingdom Independence Party page. As i member of UKIP for a number of years i think im best placed to know that the party is Libertarian, and i have provided this guy with evidence that the party is Libertarian. But being the EU lover he is, and his apparant 'expertise' of the idelogy of UKIP *sarcasm* he feels the need to ignore the evidence and revert my justified edits, this to me is nothing more than vandalism. Can you please tell him to provide evidence to the contary of my offical claims backed by UKIP leadership, or stop his needless acts of vandalism.
Thanks from UKIP.
Freedom4korea (talk) 10:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no vandalism here; what's happening is that the two of you are in a content dispute and are undertaking a slow-motion edit war with LOTS OF SHOUTING IN EDIT SUMMARIES. So that needs to stop first, and you need to head to dispute resolution to see ways of getting it sorted. Also, on a related note, Wikipedia requires reliable sources for things you want to add, so instead of just adding them, get some verifiable proof. ➔ REDVEЯS has changed his plea to guilty 12:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I know being member of a party certainly doesn't denote a conflict of interest, but supporting Redvers above, you also may want to read WP:COI. This can give you valuable pointers about maintaining information neutrality and verifiable sources, if both parties read this it can aid you in your content dispute. Khukri 13:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I am seeing jumps from uw-vandalism2s to blocks. Please have the patience to go through the agreed steps before blocking. Thanks, Kingturtle (talk) 22:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are guidelines. Blocks can be enacted without warnings, if necessary. Once in a while a request for intervention will not result in a block, even with all levels of warning present. It is a judgement call. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In some cases though with accounts that are blatantly vandalizing pages, it's best to move on as quickly as possible. Wildthing61476 (talk) 22:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But a Level Two doesn't even mention the words block or warning. A Level Three does. It seems a bit of a jump to go from no warning to a block. Kingturtle (talk) 22:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I think if I saw someone actively and repeatedly vandalize I'd just give them a  before reporting and skip the lower warnings as opposed to skipping the later warnings. But as they said, it's a judgment call.--Dycedarg ж 22:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I often skip 2s if it's obvious the vandal is going to keep on going (ie multiple repeated edits). 2 cents (pence?) —αlεx•mullεr 22:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll skip level 1 or level 3, going 2-3-4 or 1-2-4 if the vandalism is obvious... but, unless it's a vandalism-only account, I won't block here unless they have a level 4 of some flavor. Now, I will add that level 4 if appropriate, note the fact under the AIV report, and leave it for some time to see if they continue - and then block as needed. YMMV, but that's how I usually block here. UltraExactZZ  Claims ~ Evidence  04:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  be sure to go step by step 

message: I was just wondering what various users and administrators think qualifies as active now, as outlined in the requirements for a report. Personally, I am not willing to block a user who has been inactive for the last ten to fifteen minutes, although I have seen some people define active as having vandalized in the last hour, which I do not really think is necessary. At any rate, I was wondering what other people's views are on what active now are. cheers, SorryGuy  Talk  21:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on if it is an account or IP. An account I will block up to a day or so after the final warning and same if the evidence is that it is a static IP, i.e same articles being targetted. For anything else where I can't beyond reasonable doubt know if it's the same editor behind the vandalism will usually go up to an hour or so. It's all very subjective and to give a black and white answer is difficult, it depends on the history as well, do we see vandalism from this school IP every couple of weeks or is it a first time vandal. Why an hour? Blocks are put in place to prevent damage and not as a punitive measure. Now knowing that alot of the vandalism is in school time and that little johnny is going to be in his next class in an hour is why I pick this figure. There's no hard and fast rules, but this is what I have deemed as acceptable. Khukri 22:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

text: In the case of a shared IP, it should be clear that a vandal will be using the IP on their next edit, and that the block will affect them. This generally limits recent activity to (well) within the past day, and can often extend to several hours. These are the two main reasons for this 'requirement' - so the administrator intervention will be effective. The other reason is that this board fills up really quickly, and can get flooded by unimportant block requests when there are destructive vandals who need immediate administrator attention. I will tend to tolerate less active requests (which meet the first two requirements) when the board is quiet, and throw out less active vandals when the board is busy. An example of a less active vandal (which meets the first two requirements) would be a static IP or vandalism-only registered account who hasn't edited for several days. No one minds blocking them, but this is not really the place to report them. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that a stale report should still lead to a block if there was clearly a final warning and vandalism continued past that.  The way I look at it, such a vandal should have been blocked earlier, but it's not too late.  This may sometimes be unnecessary; I would think twice if the vandalism had stopped and the user had spent time since then making productive edits, but that has never been the case in my experience.  This may lead to some blocks that aren't necessary but to me that's a lesser evil than not blocking someone who should have been blocked.  (Of course, this all changes for IP editors, as per Zzuuzz and Khukri)  Mangojuicetalk 15:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In a sense, preventing damage this way is an exercise in budgeting the available editor time between constructive work and vandalism corrections.  One hopes that the "revenue" of additional constructive IP edits (and the newly registered account edits) exceeds the "expenditure" on fixing the vandalism.LeadSongDog (talk) 21:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definitions of 'active now' 

message: ... for an hour. Anon vandals just wuvs 2 play & it's time they moved on with their racist vandalism - Alison ❤ 23:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected ... 

message: Removing the following reports from User:Medvall until I figure out what Medval's deal is:
*  (Malicious account creation) is creating multiple accounts and impersonating other people as per this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/PS_optimal Medvall (talk) 00:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okey dokey... Medvall seems to be on a fishing expedition regarding the listed editors as the checkuser link seems to indicate. Hiberniantears (talk) 00:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medvall 

message: Hi, don't know if this is the correct place to ask this, but do I ever find out if I reported something correctly or not? I reported 78.165.185.156, and it disappeared, was that an erroneous report or did it get acted on? BananaFiend (talk) 15:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See . A two day block. Anything that is blocked or not blocked, simply gets removed with an informative edit summary. -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks! I've applied (though to AGK) for rollback for this kind of thing BananaFiend (talk) 15:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Follow-up 

message: *  received the 'last warning' back in Feb/08 for vandalizing and received my 'last warning' yesterday for vandlizing Russian Revolution (1917). I checked over the edits made by this account and all of them are vandals, shouldn't this user be blocked by now?--Cahk (talk) 09:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and done. – Luna Santin (talk) 09:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:Oowoo 

message: Can anon editors be reported at WP:AIV? --SMS  Talk 20:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  Jauerbackdude?/dude. 20:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed they can, most definitely. We take all sorts here...  —αlεx•mullεr 20:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for quick response! actually I had already reported the editor at WP:ANI(Disruptive behavior of Anon), and the ip got blocked before i can report here. Thanks again! --SMS  Talk 20:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon Editors 

message: I get the feeling that vandalism is THE biggest problem here at Wikipedia. I figure I'm using more than half my Wikipedia time reverting vandalism, and it is very frustrating, I'd rather try to improve articles.
A couple of hours ago I reported an anonymous user who has vandalized at least 20 pages, probably much more, but there are 20 reports on his user page. He has received four "last warnings" - and it is obvous that receiving a "last warning" and then experiencing that you can keep on vandalizing and you just get more warnings practically encourages that behavior. Latest "last warning" was 26 Feb. Today he vandalizes another page. Another editor reverted and posted a mild warning. I noticed this and reported him here. And my report was rejected! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=next&oldid=196368474
Are you serious about stopping vandals, or what? --RenniePet (talk) 23:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, someone with that kind of history of warnings should not get off the hook just becase their latest vandalism is their only edit of the month, when it's only the first few days of the month anyways.  What can a short block hurt in such a situation?  It would at least show the offender that the warnings actually mean something.  Occasional vandals like that don't do a lot of damage individually, but collectively they suck up tons of responsible editors' time. PubliusFL (talk) 23:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Given that the vandal reported was an IP, it's not by any means certain that the vandal is the same person who received all those warnings. IPs change from time to time (even static ones). Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think anyone said anything about an intent to punish or retaliate.  The point is that vandals who vandalize intermittently are "a source of disruption", and that taking action to stop them does "reduce the likelihood of future problems."  It is pretty clear that the same person is persistently vandalizing from this IP address, given that he or she was warned about vandalism of the same minor articles months apart.  If we can never block such an editor so long as they only vandalize once every few days, multiply that by thousands of such editors and you have a non-negligible problem. PubliusFL (talk) 01:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I barely bother reporting vandals anymore. It seems like we are supposed to walk on eggshells to avoid insulting an anon who is running around putting racist and hateful words into articles, blanking pages, etc.  And especially when its an IP...we aren't asking that you ban everyone from that IP forever, just ban them from running around as an anon. If they are interested in really helping, they'll get an account like we did. We all have limited time to dedicate to WP, its frustrating that we sometimes feel like we get no support from the admins when we are working hard.  And YES, schools should absolutely be in that category. They should HAVE to have an account to edit from a school IP. While I am sure that there are many students that help, the amount of time we have to spend getting rid of the junk from the kiddies is wasted time that could be spend on other projects (article writing/improving anyone?). Legotech·(t)·(c) 04:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Believe me, from an administrator's point of view, you'll find that vandalism is not our biggest problem. With the rise of antivandal bots and automated tools, obvious vandals are easy to nab. It's the POV-pushers, the libellous users, the fringe theorists, and the subtle vandals who are infinitely more dangerous. bibliomaniac15 I see no changes 05:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: RenniePet, by all means just work on improving articles if you wish, and let those who specialise in fighting vandalism do the work. There are many, many editors now working on the vandalism side of things, much more than there used to be, leaving time for others to concentrate on what they want to do best. :-) Lradrama 09:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

text: On a side note, I've looked over most of the edits from  for the past several months; the contributions are overwhelmingly negative. Slow but persistent sources of vandalism tend to fly "under the radar" but are nevertheless a source of frustration and a drain on our resources. As mentioned, there's some indication that the IP is fairly consistently used disruptively by a small number of users (though it does seem to be used by multiple people). There's a few minor good edits mixed in, and bearing that in mind with the bad news, I've blocked anon-only with account creation enabled. Any disagreement? – Luna Santin (talk) 10:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems good, Luna. It also proves the point that AIV wasn't the place to report this IP in the first place. AIV is best when reporting obvious, clear vandalism that is happening now. Admins reviewing the page need to be able to quickly see what is going on - contribs, talk page, block. Anything that requires a level of investigation or the spotting of a pattern should go to WP:ANI, when one or more admins with more time can review. If admins spend this time on one case on AIV, the urgent cases, the page blankers and MR SMITH IS A WANKER mindless vandals just get more time to do more damage. ➨ REDVEЯS dreamt about you last night 12:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

text: No, not in MediaWiki. (Also, it could be called stalking... although I've also often wanted a similar function ;) ➨ REDVEЯS dreamt about you last night 10:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Most long term/returning vandals are article or subject specific. Once you work out where their interest lays then just watch the relevant articles. Of course that means to track a dozen potential vandals you might have a hundred articles watched; tracking editors would be easier but Redvers is right - it would be stalking. LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, if one wanted to watch a list of editors, one could bookmark their contribution pages into a folder in Firefox, and then periodically click the "Open all in Tabs" function for the folder. Firefox would then open every contribution page in the list in a separate tab, allowing you to quickly scan them all for suspicious contributions. Not that I know any editor that would do such a thing.Kww (talk) 14:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it wouldn't constitute stalking. Wikistalking is defined as "following an editor to another article to continue disruption...with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor." Since RenniePet is just keeping an eye on vandals, it wouldn't constitute stalking. Parsecboy (talk) 14:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dismayed - don't you take vandalism seriously? 

message: Excuse me, since I don't know where to post this concern (or whether it is even worth being posted). I am worried about this  edit related to the above mentioned school. Somebody announces that he will be "with a pipe bomb outside it ready to blow at 9.30am". Does vandalism like this, making a real threat, happen always here? If not, maybe we should do something about it? --Abrech (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Bongwarrior replied accordingly, I notice. I agree that in future if concerned the matter should be notified to WP:ANI - where regrettably there is some experience in dealing with such messages. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the reply. I also answered Bongwarrior. I agree with him. --Abrech (talk) 22:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  IP blocked for vandalism. seicer | talk | contribs 23:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Plano Senior High School]] 

message: Note:  This is not a report of vandalism, just feedback about the unenforceability of vandalism warnings to shared IP addresses.  Such vandalism warnings make the person doing the warning look foolish.  The following is an example:
The shared IP address User talk:138.23.89.187 is registered to University of California, Riverside.  The shared IP address User_talk:204.69.4.82 is registered to Riverside Community College District.  Both Riverside California addresses have repeatedly vandalized Garrison Keillor‎, Lake Wobegon, A Prairie Home Companion‎, and A Prairie Home Companion (film).
After reverting the vandalism and posting unheeded escalating warnings, I requested IAV.  That request was rejected.  After follow-up discussion at User_talk:King_of_Hearts#vand_from_a_school, I have learned never again to waste my time issuing vandalism warnings to shared IP addresses.  And because such warnings are unenforceable, I have also retracted some of my so-called "final warnings" from User_talk:204.69.4.82#March_2008.  I feel utterly stupid issuing a "final warning" that can be repeatedly violated with impunity.
I'll continue reverting vandalism, and continue issuing vandalism warnings to non-shared IP addresses.  Just not to shared IP addresses.  I'm through seeing several of my own so-called "final warnings" go unenforced despite my best efforts.  --Art Smart (talk) 11:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I think you're misinterpreting a few things here.  You're correct, an IP is handled different than a registered user, and a shared IP is handled differently than a regular IP, because of the number of people that could possibly be affected.  However, from a cursory glance of the warnings you give, it looks like you ONLY give final warnings.  If you take a look at the different levels and types of vandalism warnings, you can see that there are appropriate ways of warning people.  You can't issue a final warning as their first warning and expect the IP to be blocked after an AIV report.  And, it looks a little silly to issue 3 final warnings in a row.  Properly done, an AIV report for a shared IP is completely enforceable and lengthy blocks can be issued (up to a year depending on the extent of current and past vandalism/blocks).  So, I encourage you to continue fighting vandalism, reporting it, and don't take this personally.  Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here you can see that User:Ward3001 issued a level 4 warning.  Were it me, I would instead have given a level 1 warning since it was a new month and it followed a previous 1-week block.  But it wasn't me, and I didn't want to alter someone else's warning.  So when another article was vandalized, what warning level should I have given?  Should I have:  (a) followed that v4 with a v1 and looked silly; (b) pretended that v4 was a v1 and then given a v2; or (c) followed the v4 with another v4?  I chose option (c) as the least silly looking.  Vandalism again occurred one week later, so I issued another v4 and an IAV request, which was rejected.  What should I have done instead?  Please advise.  Thanks.  --Art Smart (talk) 13:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As a general rule, I find a bit of research and a good comment at AIV helps a lot. I agree about the general silliness of the warning cycle, but I can offer no solution. If, however, you see that the edits are all tied together (like the Lake Woebegone theme above), it's fair game to stop treating them like a shared IP, because it's the same editor. Make your warnings accordingly, and point it out when you report to AIV. If the admin that handles the report agrees with you that it's one person, a block will get issued. Works about 75% of the time.Kww (talk) 13:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You also have to take in account the time difference between the previous warning.  If it's been a matter of minutes, then by all means, issue the next level warning (or report to AIV).  However, if it's been a day or more, the warning levels don't necessarily automatically increase.   That's where you have to be cautious that there might be multiple users who, in fact, didn't see the previous warnings. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 14:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To Kww, thanks for the advice, and yes, I'll be more explicit with IAV in the future.  In this case, I gave more follow-up clarification to the admin who rejected my request (see User_talk:King_of_Hearts#vand_from_a_school), but he still defended his decision to reject my request, which leaves me loath to issue any more warnings to shared IP addresses.  I then asked him about semi-protecting Garrison Keillor‎, Lake Wobegon, A Prairie Home Companion‎, and A Prairie Home Companion (film) (all of which have been repeatedly vandalized by 204.69.4.82), but no answer yet.  Long ago I also asked User_talk:Jmlk17/Archive17#Semi-Protection about semi-protection, but no answer from him either.  Can non-admins semi-protect, and if not, how do I request it?  Please advise.  Thanks.  --Art Smart (talk) 14:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can submit a request for page protection at WP:RFP.  However, the page must actively being vandalized by multiple IPs to get semi-protected, not a single IP over the course of a few days or weeks. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 14:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict)From my perspective as a blocking admin who often works on AIV, I really, really dislike seeing people jump straight to level four warnings.  Much like King of Hearts, I probably would have also declined to block because the  warning was issued  a whopping 39 days after the previous warning, which is a lifetime for a shared IP.  In no way do I fault you for following the lead of the previous editor (and I can appreciate how frustrated both of you are with this vandalism), however IPs can be blocked after just three or four vandalized articles when the proper set of escalated warnings are used, so I feel that unnecessarily jumping to high level warnings is not worth the assumption of bad faith.  If you feel that the previous warner forgot to issue some of the required escalating warnings, feel free to jump down a level or two with your warning (people will very rarely blame you for assuming too much good faith, especially with shared IPs).  As an example, if you felt it was a bit harsh to issue a level four warning as the only warning in 39 days, rather than build on the previous editor's assumption of bad faith, you could instead issue a level two or three warning (the thought being that the previous warner probably should have given a level one or two warning, so your escalated warning should be level two or three).  If you feel that an anonymous editor is hopping across different IPs to avoid a block, feel free to request semi-protection for the article in question.  Good luck, do not get discouraged, and to reiterate what Jauerback said, thanks for your help in fighting vandalism!  --Kralizec! (talk) 14:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, everyone, for the advice.  Much obliged.  --Art Smart (talk) 14:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I suggest that a block be enforced/taken into action immediately. This user appears to be deliberately vandalizing Wikipedia. I don't think any more warnings should be given.Prowikipedians (talk) 11:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done;  levied a one month block some hours ago. --Kralizec! (talk) 11:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  For shared IP addresses, vandalism warnings appear to be unenforceable