Talk:The Black Parade/Archive 2

message: i was at targer the other day and there were 2 versions of the album.
one had a grey cover (the one posted on this article and the one were all used to) and a black cover version.
i looked at the track listing and they were both the same
just wonderin if there was a difference
:Just a difference in slip case cover, nothing else. Choose whichever you prefer because there is no difference.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Black and grey Cover Versions

message: the fact that hannah montan v=can have an album that sells better than mce amazes me??????? - user:jimmypop1994
:That's what happens when you appeal to every girl in the U.S. between the age of 8-12. It's definitaly horrible to see that sell more then the Black Parade, or any of the other albums in the top 10 of the billboard 200 for that matter, but frankly I'm just happy it debuted as high as it did. Outselling your previous record by more then 200,000 for debut week is pretty good. WIKI-GUY-16 12:53, 1 November(UTC)
I know when I just went to the Billboard website and seen that some kid show Hannah Montana's soundtrack beat MCR I was shocked. But I am still so proud that MCR debuted at well as they have. And I think that once it's been a couple of weeks MCR could also raise higher in the charts. So props to MCR. - MyChemical 8:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hannah Montana

message: There are loads all the way throughout the album... The lines "Three Cheers For" is used in one of the songs and "The Sharpest Lives" sound like line from Three Cheers "The Sharpest things you say". I think this need to be adressed. RuSTy1989 11:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't necessarily think they are references; a lot of the songs on TBP were written a longggg time ago, some even before Bullets came out, so he was probably writing his songs with the same thoughts in mind. --Yunaresuka 01:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References To Previous Albums

message: Why was the opening section removed? --Jamdav86 17:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If no-one can give a reason, the I'll reinstate it, as I will assume it's vandalism.. --Jamdav86 17:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly was removed? I don't see anything out of the ordinary gone. Everything that isn't there was discussed. Can you please provide a copy or something that was removed? I just don't see anything removed.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, well, I think that part may need some work. Remove the influence information from the Concept section, and we do need sourced information for the story because it is needed, it is an important part of the album. But I would say once repetive information is removed that we should add that back in.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal

message: As most of this page is unecessary to current discussions, I have archived most of it and placed it at Talk:The Black Parade/Archive 1. If you need it for any reason please use this link or the one at the top of the page.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 01:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive 1

message: Is Welcome To The Black Parade like green day's Jos?
:No, the only similarities between "Jesus of Suburbia" and the "Welcome to the Black Parade" music video is the fact that they were directed by the same director. Yes, "Welcome to the Black Parade" has a story going through the video, however, I would not say it is as epic as "Jesus of Suburbia". "Jesus of Suburbia" has dialogue in one version and is a supposed sort of "trailer" to American Idiot: The Motion Picture. "Wecome to the Black Parade" is at the moment, only a music video. Also, the songs are two different songs as well.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 19:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Welcome To The Black Parade v.s. JOS

message: Will this cd be made into a movie?--Kingforaday1620 22:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no information about this at this time. I don't know if it will or not. No one probably knows at this time. So just wait a while and it may, or it may not. No one has said anything about it yet.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 01:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: motion picture

message: This song does NOT EXIST. It was posted as a rumor HERE on Wikipedia by an UNREGISTERED user in June 2006. Any other source who has mentioned the song obtained the information here, and it is not an actual song. Do not add it to the page, do not mention it. It does not exist. It was posted during a time when only four titles were known - Gerard specifically announced "Dead!", "This is How I Disappear", and "Kill All Your Friends" on AOL, plus "Disenchanted" from their tour. MJB12 23:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone possibly with incorrect information or vandalism. Just because it is listed on here it doesn't mean it is true.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 18:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Boy Divison

message: I believe the deletion templates were mistakenly added by Theredbutton when he merged his 'The Patient' page with this page (there was one such tag on that page). Therefore they should not be noted. Makron1n 02:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion templates (see history)

message: I just noticed someone took off the "Yet To Be Released" off of this B-Side. No reason provided. Is it leaked, or was this just some random vandalism? I put the notice back up, just in case. - Infinity On High November 26 2006
:Just vandalism. It is suspected to be released with "Famous Last Words" but no one knows for sure.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 18:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only reason people are suspecting it is because it was mentioned as being a B-side in the limited edition and since B-sides and released with a single usually and "Famous Last Words" is a single and it is next people are figuring it is going to be released. I mean, it makes sense but there is no confirmation of it yet as there could be other songs that will be released as B-sides.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kill All Your Friends Leaked?

message: ----
can someone please cleanup "the patient" and put sources to where they got their information
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Yes, but im studying for my exams, I would though, but from this site, shows a explanation of the song Mama, varying strongly from the explanation in "The Patient", http://www.lyricinterpretations.com/lookat.php/bands/My-Chemical-Romance/3284b898cd002a4   
The fourth one down, but i cannot confirm wheneither this explanation or the explanation in "The Patient" is true or false.Spange 20:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I did a short web search when I read the whole album was intentionally leaked. On http://www.q101.com/cdreviews/Display.aspx?ID=60317 they say that just the title track video was leaked for promotion purposes, and that sounds much more believable to me.
85.22.25.25 19:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the album was leaked at http://www.theblackparade.com  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 18:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whole album intentionally leaked? Or just the video? 

message: Besides Kill All Your Friends, were there any other b-sides mentioned in the Ltd. edition version? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lynx Austin (talk • contribs).--Lynx Austin 08:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe any others have been mentioned yet. I don't even think a third single has been picked yet.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 19:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Link is on the Famous Last Words (song) article. Also I have read that "Kill All Your Friends" was confirmed somewhere that it was going to be on the Famous Last Words single. If I can find it I'll post it on that page.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 03:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Here is a link for it, but I don't know if I'd call it reliable. http://www.interpunk.com/item.cfm?Item=140730&  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 04:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: That's what amazon says. Check the reference. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 13:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there are two versions.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-sides 

message: While re-watching the Life On The Murder Scene dvd, i actually heard I Don't Love You being played it happens about 1:57:01 into the video diary. If you click on the very last chapter "The Future", it would bring you straight to that point anyway, i'd just like to point this out, because I find it interesting how much this version compared to the album version are different, and I believe you would too. The Lyrics  -  We can't even look at you this way, but I did, and I loved you just the same. When you go, would you even turn to say "I Don't Love You, Like I Did Yesterday" Blkeddie! 05:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part of "I Don't Love You" Demo 

message: 'Many critics have stated the album has more elements of rock than elements of pop, and prefer it over Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge.'
this needs deleting or collaborating. it sounds unqualified. i havent read a critics that has said anything like this. so unless a source can be provided it needs to go. --80.43.18.43 18:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'many source' 

message: "Israelian" - is this right?
I'm pretty sure the correct form is "Israeli" :-) 82.81.18.55 17:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israelian charts? 

message: Does each track really deserve its own page?  It seems like a bit of overkill.  Suggest merge.  209.145.85.66 18:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of them I feel do, but I think that they do need to be edited a little. I suggest letting WP:MCR know and have them cleanup.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't think any songs besides the singles need their own articles. The sections on the album tracks should really just be in this article. Cyclone49 13:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pages for Individual Tracks 

message: The article needs a source for the singles, the only confirmed singles by the label are welcome to the black parade and famous last words. Other singles are rumors unless a source is provided. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.140.176.77 (talk) 22:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please just revert them. I have seen this as well. Unless reliable sources are provided please revert and remove them. The one I am frequently seeing is "Disenchanted". If no source is provided it can be considered a hoax and therefore vandalism.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 02:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It says it's an album. It could be just incorrect information. You really have to dig to find this and since this is the only single I find it unlikely. Although also unlikely they could just be releasing it on a CD or it's a mistake. Either way, I don't feel this source is reliable enough or has enough information to be able to call "Disenchanted" the next single.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just added an html note to the bottem of the single sections stating: "Please do not add any future singles without a source. This can be considered a hoax which is vandalism and will be treated as such." If a single is added without a source please remove it and add the appropriate warning to the user's talk page. Please see WP:HOAX and WP:VANDAL.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles 

message: This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of January 20, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: Several problems: 
:*"Like the band's first two albums, it is a concept album, centering around a character known as "the Patient," who potentially suffered an untimely death at a young age." potentially suffered an untimely death? This is confusing 
:*"The album is produced by Rob Cavallo, who has produced every Green Day album since 1994, save for Warning:." This needs to be cleaned up, how about "The album is produced by Rob Cavallo, who has also produced albums for Green Day."
:*"This parade is also the main character's most fond memory which the band would like to think when death comes for you it comes in the form of your strongest memory." This sentence doesn't make sense.
:*"It has also recently been stated by Gerard Way" - Don't say recently, also redundancies in this sentence.
:*"The Black Parade received generally favorable reviews from critics, with some mixed and negative reviews as well." - This says nothing, clean this up, maybe even removed it. Also, the sentence is stranded by itself, not in a paragraph.
:*"Among the positive reviews, the album was received enthusiastically with many praising the band for the epic scope of the album and citing it as one of the better albums of 2006." This sentence should prob be removed, it's prose is poor anyway.
:*Don't have quotes in italics, just have them in quotation marks.
:*Prose generally needs a lot of work, as well there are quite a few redundancies in the article. You may want to submit the article here.
:*The article's structure is fine.
:2. Factually accurate?: There are lots of references and inline citations which is good. However the reference style is wrong, see WP:CITET. As well, have your ref's immediately following a full stop, rather then with a space between the two.
:3. Broad in coverage?: I believe so.
:4. Neutral point of view?: There are some issues here, seems a bit to much editorialising. Especially with the reception section. I can see an effort has been made to include positive and negative criticism, but statements like the first in that section are a little dodgy.
:5. Article stability? yes
:6. Images?: yes, good
When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration.  Thanks for your work so far. 
 
Overall the article needs a lot of work, especially with regards to criteria 1. Good luck getting it up to scratch. Contact my talk page if you have any questions about the issues I've raised. -Shudda talk 00:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already started working yesterday on it. I tried to fix all the writing issues, I submitted it to the League of Copyeditors as suggested. I believe the only thing that I could probably be able to do is the citations and fix those up. I have tried my hand at the POV issues but whatever I try to do seems to be reverted. If anyone however can look at that then that would be great.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 00:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: fixed. but it needs sources. icelandic hurricane #12 (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Weren't charts voted on to be removed?  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 19:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the first time I've seen them... icelandic hurricane #12 (talk) 20:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "good article" nomination

message: There are a bunch of best of 2006 lists here. maybe we should mention in this article and the WTTBP article what position they reached on some of the lists. icelandic hurricane #12 (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only problem I see with this is the POV issues that we already have. We keep adding more for positive when I think people are getting at that we don't have enough negative or too much positive. I think people keep saying that we constantly praise the album in the article when it needs to have both sides. I don't know, that's kinda what I got from the comments above.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 19:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists

message: You know, I re-read the article, and I can't really see where the NPOV problems are. It's not like we're writing "Gerard Way is teh sex!!!11!!" or "TBP=Best.Album.Ever.", so I don't really see why the article got cited in the review for being biased. mcr616 talk
:Please check above discussions. To summarize though, I believe they were found in the Influences section and the Reception section where a lot of emphasis was placed on the Reception section.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We could try, however, I believe we have enough suggestions from the GA review above. I have submitted the article to the League of Copyeditors and if we fix the NPOV issues then we should be find to resubmit it. Although the citations do need to be worked on as well.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I can work on the citations since I had retrieved most of the citations anyways. I said I'd get to it but haven't done it yet.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Issues? 

message: Should we put "All The Angels Say" under B-sides, or wait and see if they're going to release it as a B-side with the next single? For those out of the loop, Gerard mentioned "All The Angels Say" as another song that was recorded during The Black Parade sessions (this is in the Limited Edition book). Should we add it to the list, or wait until it's released? MJB12 21:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did he say that it was going to be released as a B-Side? If so then yes, put it in the list, if not then we need to wait for an official source. It could be a renamed song or possibly it may be released later or it may not be released at all. So if we're not sure what it is then do not add it.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 22:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, that would be best, thank you.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All The Angels Say 

message: the doors had made an album called the soft parade, that had a lot of instruments like trumpets and strings and stuff. i remeber that way had compared the black parade to the doors. do you think some influence could have come from that? Dizzydark 23:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Soft Parade

message: I removed the comment about the clean version not including Blood, it does have Blood as the last track. And you can't really trust Amazon for the track listing, the regular version of The Black Parade on Amazon doesn't have Blood listed as a track on it either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.107.69.157 (talk) 09:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't the article say that it did have the Blood track included? I believe this is the case unless it was a recent change or vandalism.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean Version 

message: I’ve noticed that on some of the songs pages that the meanings of the songs have been erased. Anybody know what happened to them? --MyChemical 08:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted for Original Research I believe.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 23:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song Meaning 

message: Did the band ever say they wanted a musical version of The Black Parade? All I heard was that they were thinking about expanding it into other forms. I'm deleting the comment about making TBP into a musical per Wikipedia:No Original Research until we have confirmation. Mcr616 17:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Was there no source there? I believe there is an article asking them if they planned on making it a movie and they said they might end up making into a musical. I remember Gerard said it in some article but if there was no source keep it deleted until it is found.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 19:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Musical?