Talk:Bajan Creole

message: (For others: you'll just get to see a little sample of someone 'speaking bare Bajan' as the old folks used to say....
Question: Dis is for ah next Bajan- I cyah t'ink of dis one word...  Iz- de word when someone is crossed or like upset and they're pouting wid dey 'mout up in de air'....  Bajans have a word for it, but ah only able to t'ink of de Trini word...  Which I think is "Turn-up yuh face", or "Screw-face" but, ah trying to think back and I think de Trini word had a predecessor too. Iz tough sometime to remember some of dese old words nowadays yea, since soo much of de new words comin' into de Barbados lingo from down Trinidad, Jamaica or Guyana. CaribDigita 04:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I remember it.... It is an old Caribbean- french-creole so I don't know exactly how it is spelled only how it is said.   It is prounced (I think) something like "Mooyae mouth" or "moo-yea mouth"... Basically you could say "them people standing up with their bunch of mooyae mout" or something to that effect and it basically means that the people(or persons) look pissed off. CaribDigita 23:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Speaking bare Bajan'

message: The Bias is there, so you just come to learn to accept it, and live with it.  It has been decided that you shouldn't add Bajan dialect words to wikipedia even though you can find dialect lists elsewhere in other language article.  So small hint- don't waste your time re-recreating a dialect list here.  Just a word of advice because if you recreate the dialect list here it will be deleted. CaribDigita 13:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dear Bajans there's a wikipedia Bias on Caribbean articles. 

message: They told me to contact a member of their company in Hawaii. According to them they classified "Bajan" a long time ago and the lady is "pretty passionate" about people in foreign places being un-represented linguistically. CaribDigita (talk) 15:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've called this SIL company to find out how they classify "Creole languages" 

message: Please, try to read a bit more about what a Creole language is and what a dialect of a language is. There are some Creole languages that are called “dialect” by its speakers (Bajan, Bahamian, Forro), but they are not classified as dialects of the respective lexifier language. Ten Islands (talk) 20:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For one thing I've been to Barbados. For another I can speak Bajan.  British people that goto Barbados usually pick it up in a day. Many of the credible guides on speaking "Bajan" say it is a dialect.  This link here covers the majority of the semantics of speaking it. SIL appears to be wrong they have an agenda of over classifying what they study based on what they're telling me over the phone and that is why all the other sources point out that Bajan is just a Dialect.  I suggest you tune into the Voice of Barbados to hear how Bajan is really spoken. www.vob929.com (Audio link here). CaribDigita (talk) 04:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion between Creole languages and English dialects

message: Wouldn't "African words in Bajan" actually fall more under the more archaic Barbadian English language instead?  Barbadian English has a far more African dynamic than today's Bajan Dialect. I think Barbadian English language appears to fall more under the time of the Bussa slave revolt.
An article with Barbadian English  
CaribDigita (talk) 10:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  African words in Bajan - wouldn't that be the more archaic [[Barbadian English]] instead? 

message: Okay this I think will be Interesting.  Gwan - (or "goin' on"). Do others here think this word is Bajan? I would say it is Jamaican. E.g. I don't think there any songs by RPB, Mac Fingal, Gabby, etc. I'm trying to think of even one where Alison Hinds, T.C., Bumba etc. Have used this term and can't come up with any. Have any of these or other prominent artists used this ever?  So, I'm proposing a lil' poll to find a consensus on "gwan". CaribDigita (talk) 02:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll: "Gwan". Jamaican or Bajan? 

message: I've reverted a few edits now which I believe to have been made in good faith?  However they are questionable if it is Bajan.  Today, some words have come into familiar usage in Barbados however they are truly of another culture.  "Gwan" (Go on), "Fi" (For), "Me na" (Me not/I don't), etc.  These specific words are not truly Bajan.  Certain Bajan authors over the years have helped to standardised the Bajan dialect.  People like Austin Clarke, Kamau Brathwaite, Frank Collymore, Warren Alleyne, etc.
"Fi" doesn't really have a history in Barbados based on what I've read over the years. The usual word you'll see is "fuh" such as in the Bajan folksong said by all of the newly emancipated slaves across Barbados in the early 1800s...
"Lick an Lock-up Done Wid, Hurray fuh Jin-Jin (Queen Victoria).
De Queen come from England to set we free
Now Lick an Lock-up Done Wid, Hurray fuh Jin-Jin".
Also in the Bajan poem by Bruce St. John which compares Bajan to Barbadian cooking lingo...
"
We' language limit?
Who language en limit?
Evah language
Like a big pot o' Bajan soup:
Pice o' yam, piece o' potato,
T'ree dumplin', two eddoe,
One beet, two carrot,
Piece o' pig-tail, piece o' beef
Pinch o' salt, dus' o' pepper,
An' doan' fuget okra
To add to de flavour.
Boil up, cook up, eat up
An' yuh still wan' rice?"
Gwan.  Never really had a history in Barbados.  It is close to the Bajan word "wan" (as in "want") Example: "I wan' some of dah."(I want some of that.)  Now if you listen to Reggae (Esp. from Jamaica) you'll hear "Gwan" a lot but, it doesn't really have a history in Barbados or Bajan.  It is primarily a fairly recent subculture.  E.g. a recent article in the Barbados newspaper about the Rastafari movement asking for more acceptance in Barbados.
African Crossroads - Conscience of a nation
CaribDigita (talk) 02:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Explaining reverts

message: This article seems to be written in a "popular" tone that is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Wikipedia articles on language varieties, languages, dialects, etc. should cite academic and scholarly sources and should not be based on "popular opinion" or "popular knowledge". The classification of a speech variety as a creole language, by the way, has nothing to do with how easily it can be understood by a speaker of the lexifier language (in this case, English), but rather with the origin of the language. In this regard, Bajan is undeniably a creole language. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 18:18, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article 

message: Interesting show.
A parent--swap type programme by the BBC where rebellious British teens are raised by "stricter" Barbadian parents for one week. Shows many people in Barbados speaking in accent.
*The Worlds Strictest Parents s03e02 Barbados (1 of 4)
*The Worlds Strictest Parents s03e02 Barbados (2 of 4)
*The Worlds Strictest Parents s03e02 Barbados (3 of 4)
*The Worlds Strictest Parents s03e02 Barbados (4 of 4)
CaribDigita (talk) 00:36, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Again CaribDigita, this is enough of that... Bajan is not just an accent, it is a fully-fledged language distinct from English, and the fact that almost every person in Barbados can also speak a great deal of (accented) Standard English does not take away from that. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 00:41, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is Bajan they are speaking in. Depending how deep someone's accent is what spells out the difficulty of understanding it. The adults are speaking in "dat" and "de" and that is the extent of it. CaribDigita (talk) 02:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, you're wrong once again, Bajan is not an "accent", it is a language. Why would they speak basilectal Bajan on international TV, unless they didn't know standard English? Thanks for trying, though. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 19:17, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

text: I'll give you the same example I gave before: . Now please tell me, how is that just an accent as you claim? You want to tell me their "accents are deep"? I'm sorry, that's nonsense, please go learn something about linguistics. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 19:19, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Apart from the mic audio being horrible. Plus they keep cross-talking over one another.  Their deep partly Jamaican/U.S. street influenced accent makes it harder to decipher.  But here is pretty much it. (Here) 
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*[nickname shouted] Shot!
*Busy(?)
*[Something [intelligible] shouted]
*Look!
*Morning.
*Wait, what going on?
*I was here long.
*Boy, I hear you here shouting me every since, yea.
*Yeah boy. I hollaring for you hard boy. [Yea, and you wouldn't come]. [Boy, you all right boy?]
*Yeah boy, but I couldn't move there.
*Look, this is my little niece here, little toy thing yea. This thing here, bringing-off a sweet melody yea, and I make a little rhythm there, and I tell myself that I think you would like it, and I don't really want to stop beating it, 'cause don't want to forget it.
*[Instrumental]
*Hey?
*You!
*... [Singing] Hey man, and I couldn't get none (of) that sugar... 
*So I went by Cassandra, and Cassandra tell me she ain't got no sugar. She tell me go by she cousin, or check by she sister name Paula. So I went down by Paula, and I tell Paula to give me some sugar.
*But I like that there though [some nickname].
*Yea, we gotta' get that in the studio though.
*Yea, we gotta' put the mic 'pun (upon) it. Do a little recording.  See how it sound, and how all the little things sound. Do it yea!
*Yea boy!
*It's another R.I.P., Rest In Peace... [Some nickename - Seth?], wake up you duppy (ghost)!
*Alright, [Some nickname - Shot?]
*Yeah, I just here.
*I going 'round the block.
*Boy, I stuck in bare den, dead like a door nail, yea.
*Oh.
*For real, the man did here so, telling him about a little rhythm here so. That I did playing 'pun (upon) this thing here. This little thing here, giving off a nice sound. You want to hear how it sound?
*Yea.
*Hear this here.
*[Instrumental]
*Sugar... Couldn't get no sugar...
*What you about?
*[intelligible] sugar.
*Yeah.
*You getting out?
*Yeah, I gine'(going) and put on a shirt and thing, yea.
*Ya duppy, [intelligible] get the France out man? (The word "France" in Bajan is used in place of "hell" or "heck".)  For example a parents might say.  "Why the France you don't go and sit down." if they don't want to curse. CaribDigita (talk) 22:47, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes you've essentially confirmed everything I said since only about 1% of those sentences are considered grammatical in standard English. Thanks for trying though. Goodbye. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 20:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More about the Barbadian accent 

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message: I understand the categorization as a Creole language (even though idk why linguists couldn’t just come up with a less confusing name for the category) but categorization as a Creole language doesn’t mean the name of the language should be changed when the ppl who speak it haven’t changed it. I noticed this was also done to Jamaican Patois as well. Bajans refer the language as Bajan Dialect or Bajan not Creole not to mention the confusion with languages like the various french creoles who’ve used the term since way before the category existed as the term has a cultural significance in the places those languages are spoken. I think the page name is highly misleading as most Bajans refer to the language as Bajan Dialect. Corosoul (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the page not called Bajan Dialect or at least just Bajan?