Talk:Pop-punk/Archive 3

message: Please use the space below to suggest fundamental changes to the article as it is being merged and re-written as decided by the vote on talk:pop punk (revival). Please feel free to make minor edits on the actual article, but for larger issues that would warrant the rewrite of whole sentences or paragraphs, please use this space. Thanx. Xsxex 22:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerning the merger with "pop punk (revival)" and construction the new page

message: * Pop punk and punk pop (or pop-punk and punk-pop) should be merged, except on the redirect page for punk pop it should have an explaination such as this: "Punk pop  is a term to refer to what is more conventionally know as "Pop Punk." Punk pop or "Punk-Pop" is typcially used more by music journalists and/or people who do not want to make reference to the contentiousness of the term. By flipping the words, the general idea is communicated without instigating any discussion of the ironic nature of pop punk. Henceforth, by doing so, music critics can separate themselves from the culture which suits their aims of journalistic nuetrality."
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I have removed this section, as all it did was direct the reader to the disambig page. Isopropyl 22:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop punk or punk pop 

message: Proposing that we split off list of bands, unless someone objects with a valid reason. Isopropyl 22:50, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur.  The list is rather long. WesleyDodds 02:52, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split off list of bands? 

message: The pop punk tribute band to ABBA and The Ramones, Gabba (band) has been marked for deletion. You may want to vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabba (band) -- 62.147.113.247 05:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AFD closed, the result was Keep -- 62.147.112.7 10:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD on Gabba, pop punk tribute band to ABBA and Ramones 

message: I'm considering splitting the article, its quite clear that there are two different meanings of the term "pop punk", I'm thinking of turning this one into a focus on 1970s original pop-punk movement, ala Buzzcocks and Ramones...
While creating Pop punk revival for the more recent 1990s Californian MTV bands. A similar situation is already inplace with the Post-punk article where they created Post-punk revival to solve it. - Deathrocker 06:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this solves anything.  For one, the term "pop punk" seems to be used primarily for 90s and 2000s bands; labeling the Ramones and Buzzcocks pop punk seems like a retroactive labeling.  Additionally, "pop punk revival" comes off as a neologism.  WesleyDodds 02:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article split

message: Shouldn't we create a stylistics origin section for pop punk. DavidJJJ 16:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: origins

message: just because some guy decided to re-name a genre doesnt mean it should be included in the first sentence... case in point there is no article for "buzzpop" other than a redirect to Pop punk... so whats the point.. THERE IS NO BUZZPOP.. im getting annoyed.. by the way... I WROTE THE ORGINAL ARTICLE in DECEMBER 2004 (((http://bvio.ngic.re.kr/Bvio/index.php/Punk_pop)))... theres been a lot of appropriate additions and corrections and improvements but i dont know whats been going on lately... if anyone wants to write me add a note in my talk page on my user profile... bradley adita aka Xsxex 15:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your frustration, but keep in mind no one owns the article.  While the merits of the additions are questionable, everyone has the right to contribute.  WesleyDodds 21:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buzzpop???? 

message: Haha this must be some big joke right?? The Ramones were BARELY called punk rock to begin with let alone Pop Punk... from 1974-1977 (until the summer of 77 in london) punk was still a very esotric term... The term "Pop punk" probably was first uttered in the mid to late 80s to describe the music in on the West coast.. The Ramones and many others (as listed in the beginning) were instrumental in the pop punk sound, but this was only realized later. The Ramones were never considered pop punk until the late 80s/ early 90s.. and was reclaimed by bands such as Screeching Weasel. But you have to understand that Screeching Weasel took at least 10 years to become possible after punk (summer of 77). Point being... Pop punk was probably first concieved in the late 80s and broke on to the mainstream in the mid 90s... after which it continued to gain in popularity up to the present. Since the popularity of pop punk has never been obsolete or in serious decline... it makes no sense to speak of a "Pop punk revival." Furthermore I have never heard someone say they are in a pop punk revival band... and i have never heard a band described as a "pop punk revival" group. The author should reconsile these issues and make the appropriate corrections. If you want to spout off, start a zine!!! Xsxex 01:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Pop Punk Revival'' is QUALITATIVE EXCREMENT 

message: * There's a "History of Pop Punk" article published in Guitar World sometime in 2003 I've heard about that someone might want to try and track down as a source.  WesleyDodds 09:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: * Can we get some sources regarding influences from genuine punk bands? Obviously, Green Day are influenced by Buzzcocks, but what about the rest?....
Simple Plan?
Good Charlotte?
New Found Glory?
Yellowcard?
Fall Out Boy?
The majority of the bands don't seem to be influenced by punk rock at all in their music, but more skate punk stuff like NOFX. - Deathrocker 12:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, almost forgot they also count Generation X as a major influence.  WesleyDodds 01:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: This section seems to have been archived a little, OK ALOT earlier than it should be, this is current discussions... anyway, so it would seem a very small minority of the popular bands that fall under this label are actually influenced by punk rock (Seemingly just Green Day)... and then the rest (Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, Yellowcard) are influenced by other pop "punk" bands (such as Green Day, Screeching Weasel, etc) not genuine punk? - Deathrocker 01:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences

message: I did a major cleanup to get closer to Wikipedia standards, but there are still improvements to be made by people who know more about the subject. I re-ordered it so it's organized better and easier to read, deleted a lot of point of view, deleted repetitive content, deleted content that isn't relevant to the topic and fixed up sentence structure, among other improvements.Spylab 03:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major cleanup