Talk:Grand Canal (China)

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's clear at all that the Grand Canal in China is the primary topic. A regular Google Search showed mainly entries for the Canal in China, but also one for the Canal in Ireland and one for the Grand Canal in Venice, and Google Images mainly showed me pics of the Grand Canal in Venice. I don't see any reason to treat the Grand Canal in China like the default Grand Canal. Erinius (talk) 12:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't find those statements particularly convincing, rather they confirmed my position on this, of course it will show you other canals if you click next page enough times, but an undoubtedly overwhelming majority of them are about this Grand Canal specifically, that's why we say primary topic, not only topic. Lolitart (talk) 12:43, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that your (Lolitart) statement needs to be convincing, and at this point, it's just anecdotal. Gonnym (talk) 16:27, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Google search is not anecdotal. Lolitart (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: it's also the only thing in that list that's a World Heritage site, in addition to being mentioned in the overwhelming majority in search results. Lolitart (talk) 17:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true, as I've pointed out below. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:38, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

text: I didn't click next page, I found results for other Canals on the first page of my Google search, and, on the first page of my Google image search, most of the pictures were of the Grand Canal in Venice. That said, any references to Google search results are anecdotal since we'd all get somewhat different results. Erinius (talk) 18:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 16 November 2021 

message: This edit established the usage of the page as BC/AD. Kindly maintain it consistently pending a new consensus to the contrary. — LlywelynII 03:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:ERA]]

message: We should be reducing translation/character gore in the lead when it gets this unruly, and WP:MOS-ZH already shows us how: Don't repeat things that you're already covering in the infoboxes. That said, if some editors really want the Chinese to show up at the very top of the page, that's understandable but the place to do itsince  currently lacks |native_name= parameterswould be in the |name= parameter by adding  followed by the (simplified) Chinese characters (only) with or without pinyin.
We should also be highlighting the length and sections of the modern canal better. I'll do my own draft. If any well meaning editor just reverts them, kindly do fix any mistakes but then restore enough that these problems are all fixed. — LlywelynII 03:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding the initial section cleanup

message: We have 1776 km and 1794 km both in the article, neither supported by a citation. (Theoretically, the 1st number might be supported by a later cite to Needham but he would be outdated information on the current length regardless.)
Also, if the article is correct that the current canal is only partially navigable despite Chinese engineers' best efforts, then we should also be providing a well-sourced length for that navigable stretch as well. — LlywelynII 03:14, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: So, how long is it?

message: The article on the South-North Water Diversion Project could probably use its own rebuild from new sources but what's over there is at least newer than 2012. Similarly, the current #Uses section is treating culture as part of its bulk cargo transport section. Really, the different historic usesflood control, communication line, warfare, cultural diffusion, economic development, imperial taxes and tribute, food supply for the capital, etc.should be repeated a bit and handled as separate sections here. — LlywelynII 07:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Interested editors