Talk:Cream gene

message: Will add section on cryptic creams and generally improve article. Also, will refer to other MATP mutations such as murine "underwhite" and human OCA1 albinism. Countercanter (talk) 19:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just be careful to speak in English! (grin).  As in, "what is an MATP mutation?"  And so on.   Also, remember that this article is just on the dilution factor that produces palomino buckskin, cremello and perlino -- ie the "cream" gene (Cr??) is the only dilution in this article, but you may want to look over pearl gene, champagne gene,  and the general articles on Leucism and albinism.  I look forward to seeing what you can add! Montanabw(talk) 04:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

message: Initially, I almost had a cow, and just threw a fit here, but on more thorough lookover, the only thing I question is the "seal brown buckskin thing.  I'll buy it if the web page used as a source actually DNA tested the "seal brown buckskin" and verified that it isn't a sooty black!  I redacted my earlier hissy fit and my apologies...you do have it straight!  LOL! Made some formatting tweaks, some rewording, hid a couple things I really wondered about, hidden text and tags should explain any changes that aren't self-evident.  But I still see zero difference between the "amber" and brown-eyed horses.  I think it's just reflection off the lighter coat color.  But that's just an IMHO.  Montanabw(talk) 05:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: A gallery will go here until images can be sorted out, or discussed later deleted or usedArsdelicata (talk) 23:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Montanabw and all, this past weekend I went to a show and took pics of what might be a Perle or Champagne, or Silver Dilute, The horse looks like a palomino, with gray streaks in mane and tail, it has blue eyes, and lavender grayish pink skin. Might be of use, if so let me know if I should park it somewhere. Arsdelicata (talk) 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooo, where are these pictures? Countercanter (talk) 23:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, do upload, how about uploading and just popping them into the gallery above and we'll sort them out.  I would almost kill for images suitable for Pearl gene.  You can upload some Flickr images, Commons has a bot thingy that will tell you if the license on Flickr is transferrable, they have a special Flickr category to walk you through it. Montanabw(talk) 03:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Montana and CC, I remembered you really wanted or needed something like that, so I took plenty of picks for you to choose from if you like and uploaded at Flickr here, since there is so many, and I don't know what you want yet. Then I will upload what you want to Commons, or I guess you can do it, I am not sure how everything works yet. I am new to flickr too, so I'll have to find that category. Like I said, it could be just a palomino, but the lavender skin, makes me think it was what you were looking for.  Arsdelicata (talk) 02:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You can post the Flickr URLs here if you want.  Your own stuff you can upload directly to Commons.  Montanabw(talk) 03:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I tied to paste the link up above where it says 9, ?, not sure if that worked, maybe here http://www.flickr.com/photos/arsdelicata/3254791754/in/pool-wikimedia_commons Tried to add to a Wikimedia Commons group though flicker, but it does not come up. I'm just not sure if Commons wants that many picture ( like 18). But maybe you can see from there if any are usable. ok, uploaded the first...Arsdelicata (talk) 04:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Spanish heritage of the horse breed, eye and skin color, with closeups showing that skin is NOT mottled, suggest pearl gene to me, maybe a cream-pearl pseudo double dilute, given that we have a palomino-looking critter.  CC, what do you think?  Have I found my photos?  (Pleaseohpleaseohplease) Everyone take a look at the sources on the pearl gene page, many go to photos, a couple of them really look like this horse. Montanabw(talk) 04:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't wait to see what CC thinks, I think it is a Palomino with Perle Factor, the mare has a bay colt, and a buckskin daughter both with dark eyes. Think the sire was bay in both offspring cases. The father of this mare was a Palomino I think, but I'd have to look ask the registry to dig that up.Arsdelicata (talk) 05:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Thanks for your input CC, yes it might be a palomino with no pearl, I am rather stumped as the examples you gave and none quite like her. She has a lavender cast or blue haze to her coat on dark areas of skin. I would say it is similar to the blue in Weimaraner dogs or Russian Blue cats, Like a dilution to the black pigment in the skin, and the sooty parts of her coat. With the palominos, I've seen plenty with black eyes. It makes me wonder about the eye color at least partially being inherited separately. I'll keep an eye out for any apricot looking animals, or champagne, or what I think might be pearl, Maybe eventually we can get it all figured out. With time, Fascinating though. The palomino you links to I think has an Amber eye very like many of the bays I've seen here. I'll post if I find anything new that may be of help. Arsdelicata (talk) 01:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen palominos with dark brown eyes, or at least eyes I didn't think were especially different from regular eyes. And it is not outside the realm of possibility that you saw something quite unique. I don't think it's pearl though. Countercanter (talk) 13:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say definitely not Champagne due to no mottling, but who knows.  I'd say Pearl if anything, though CC is right that a pseudo double dilute should be lighter. Say!  How about asking the owners to send in DNA to UCD and settle the matter for us?  They can do Pearl, Cream and I think Champagne too!  Actually, all the weird things going on with the Amber eyes on a bay and all is EXTREMELY weird (cool weird, but weird) and ought to be something to bring to the attention of VGL at UCD -- maybe the PRPF folks should contact the University -- any time a breed association starts pushing something, a test usually comes up within about two years.  Montanabw(talk) 19:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Been working on homework for the Golden yellow eye thing, I'll send this in as well, perhaps they already know what it is. Will keep you all posted Arsdelicata (talk) 07:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Old discussion, but I don't see the possibility of buckskin + silver discussed yet. The mare does have striped hooves and the legs have silvery hue I'd expect in a bay based silver thing. Pitke (talk) 19:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures of cremello, perlino, and white mimics 

message: Are there any objections? Countercanter (talk) 13:35, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really,  I kind of wish we could keep them separate, but you are right that there is so much duplicative material.  Remind me that we will have to tweak the coat colors template when you are done.  Montanabw(talk) 06:47, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging of "cremello", "perlino", and "smoky cream"... 

message: In looking on this horse I would thik it ist a Palomino roan. In a dunalino the color on the coat schold be less extendet. --Kersti Nebelsiek (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so, Duns often have slightly darker heads and legs, red duns quite noticably so.  A "palomino roan" wouldn't have the light eyes.  But I'll wait for Countercanter's analysis. She's our genetics guru.  Montanabw(talk) 18:05, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The argument can be made either way. Why don't I just change the caption to reflect the ambiguity? It's an important photo all the same. Countercanter (talk) 18:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That or just toss the photo. In all honesty, I have never heard of a "palomino roan," though I suppose such a critter could exist, Roan is a dominant.  I truly do not care. Montanabw(talk) 20:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's on a different allele, unlike Pearl (which is why a horse can't have 2 copies of cream and 2 *or 1* copies of Pearl, a horse can have (and exhibit) both cream (such as a palomino) and roan at the same time.  For a picture of a palomino roan, google the name "Metallic Oak" for a palomino roan QH.  To go into even more detail, a horse can have, and exhibit all at the same time: agouti, cream, dun, silver and roan, since all are on different alleles. 198.111.204.46 (talk) 22:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I do now see that is possible, And you will note that this discussion ended in 2009 (grin), and we've improved our understanding quite a bit since then..  But a palomino isn't going to exhibit agouit, as it has no black to suppress (smile).  Montanabw(talk) 23:37, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dunalino? 

message: So, what does the gene actually do? I have Viitanen, she cites Gerts, Gremmel and Furugren, what she writes is that Cream
* reduces production of pigment (by what mechanism?)
* affects the shape and size of pigment particles
* leaves the base of the hair very pale, allowing pigment mostly at the tip
This info (or superior explanations) should be found in this article.
I suppose I'll be getting this Furugren book, it seems to hold most info on colour mechanisms. Unfortunatyly it's in Swedish, but I'm getting better. Pitke (talk) 06:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. As far as I know, nobody has published a theory of how this SNP affects the function of MATP. The MATP gene encodes a protein that is involved in converted tyrosine into melanin. Countercanter (talk) 23:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mechanism - we need it 

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