Talk:Freedom of religion in Malaysia

message: I find this article disturbing. Almost all of the text was copied down from the US government site. As if the US government's view is the one that should be featured here. Can someone please revise with NPOV? --Aleen1412 05:56, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, original text was by RK with text from the US Dept. of State website. I'd say just be bold and refactor those that isn't factually right. With those you're not sure of, just move it here. -- sabre23t 07:04, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia readers, and Users more interested in this issue than I am, should be aware that vetted US State Department information on discrimination against non-Muslims in Malaysia is being deleted from this article under various pretexts. The Page history link will give details. --Wetman 08:11, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I noticed that someone named Andylkl deleted parts of article, but the parts that he deleted were not even in the State Department report ... I suggest you should pay more attention when you post comments on RfD or talk pages OneGuy 08:22, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hahaha...er... what's wrong with the State Department report? As I said on the VfD, I don't see anything wrong with its content; seems quite accurate to me (and we're all Malaysians here, so really, we should know better than foreigners). I think the material Andy removed was the most POV material in the article, especially since I never hear anyone complaining about the Azan (so it must be some fringe group doing so). I suggest you define POV material not only by its source but also by its actual content. Johnleemk | Talk 08:53, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Source can be relevant too. I don't see why the US government report about Iran (anti-Iranian bias) or Israel (pro-Israel bias) should be posted verbatim. In any case, I just replied to Wetman because he doesn't seem to pay attention when he is posting on talk pages or VfD. The part removed were not in the State Department report. He should have checked that before posting above comments  OneGuy 08:59, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I said "not only by its source". The US government's material describes the situation accurately and is released in the public domain. Can you give me any reason not to use it except for some politically correct bullshit? I don't see anywhere Andylkl implied he believed the material he removed was from the report anyhow. Johnleemk | Talk 09:12, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  You need to read more carefully before you post replies. I never said Andylkl implied he removed State Department material. I said Wetman claimed that the material removed by Andylkl was from the US State Department. Do not post nonsensical replies. Please read carefully what is being posted. I said that the US government report about Iran cannot be accepted verbatim as a neutral source (since there is another similar article about Iran) OneGuy 09:37, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, then my apologies then. Johnleemk | Talk 09:43, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: US Government POV

message: "The Government generally restricts remarks or publications that might incite racial or religious disharmony. This includes some statements and publications critical of particular religions, especially Islam."
The government has not restricted any view critical of any religion except Islam. Please re-write --Malbear 09:27, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: As for Aslina it is an on going case right now. Also there is the case of the indian converting and then taking his children (against the rule of the family court may I add). However I need to get the facts right before writing so it has not been done. Am thinking to pick up the law journals this week but my schedule is a bit tight since I do have a day job and this is "for fun". Additionally before Aslina there were notable cases of Citibank Aishah (she was imprisoned by her own family), there waa joshua jamaluddin (who was imprisoned and tortured) and nur himli (cannot remember spelling, who was hounded out of his job bythe authorities). Also there is the case of some old dude (cannot remember name so have to dig up) who had to move from his village and eventually had to give up his race on his IC. Yes each is a small thread and taken alone it doesn't amount to much but all these threads together form a picture. --Malbear 08:27, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: And just the fact that Aslina's case is on-going does not make it special. She doesn't deserve her own section. As you yourself have admitted, her case is not unique, so why does she deserve a section of her own? The Subang Jaya thing shouldn't be removed, but it needs to be toned down a lot. Johnleemk | Talk 08:02, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually Aslina is not a section. she is a subsection of those covnerting out. As mentioned earlier Jamaluddin, Aishah et al. will be added as and when I do have the time to do research. Please feel free to help me. There isn't a better palce to do it. Incidentally legally in Malaysia you can only be brought to a syariah court a person who "declares himself a muslim". Once a person does not do so then any attempts to bring a person before syriah are already ipso facto extra-legal in nature. Again this is something I do not know how to add in. How is each case relevant? the indian lady lost her child, this lady lost her right to marry, Nur lost his job and livelihood, jamaluddin lost his freedom and was tortured, aishah was imprisoned by her own family and the old chap lost his racial identification. I could instead categorise by that rather than by the person i guess (let me know what makes you more comfortable). Then we add the person as an example of each situation.....again let's see how this can be worked out. --Malbear 08:27, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, my point really is that we shouldn't have sections about individuals. And neither should we go into detail about them into this article. Just summarise each individual's case. If you want to write more about them, create a separate article. Johnleemk | Talk 11:36, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok fair enough. I think it can be re-positioned as having a sub-section on the consequences of leaving Islam. Since thats what the section is about. We could then put these people in as arche-types of each consequence and then route their stories to individual articles. Good?--Malbear 11:44, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. Johnleemk | Talk 13:38, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed: Murtad

message: This never happened to the Wisma Tiong Hua in Johor Bahru, according to the reports from the Chinese. I removed that unfair sentence stating this. User:Chan Han Xiang
:Just because one group doesn't receive funding does not mean all groups don't receive funding. Johnleemk | Talk 05:11, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-muslims were granted limited funds in Malaysia 

message: Who has some verifiable information about the Malaysian attitude to Judaism?  I know from experience that it is not well covered in schools, that malaysian passports are stamped 'valid in all countries apart from Israel' and that the TV stations tend to favour Palestinian footage over Israli suffering.
:: I highly doubt there would be any, as many state controlled media would lump up Christianity and Judaism as one as well as Americans and Jews as one. Therefore it would be relatively safe to say that a Malaysian's attitude towards Judaism would be similar to it's attitude about Christianity. Those who are apathetic towards Christianity would also feel the same towards Judaism. changed 16:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not true. Racist propaganda funded by Wahaabists from Saudi Arabia and distributed in Malaysia proclaims Jews to be the root of all evil, even though there are virtually no Jews in Malaysia for them to come contact with. In addition, Israelis are generally not allowed to enter Malaysia. It's obvious that in any Muslim country the attitude to Jews will be far below that of Christians. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nssdfdsfds (talk • contribs) 23:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Judaism

message: Up to 1000 protesters chanted slogans such as "Jika Azhar datang, kita bakarkan gereja ini sampai jadi abu!" (when translated, it says: If Azhar comes, we will burn this church down to ashes).
Where did u ppl get this? we need a citation pls  and stop fired-up the religion discrimination,theres no such thing in malaysia, come to malaysia if u want to know, see it for ur self. 
Well should we take a high prist in Malaysia as citation for the discrimination, since its all pointed over the christian.
btw, in msia we respect all religion (include bahai and judaism) but we do not insult our religion by equalize our religion with other religion, but its different with apostace(watever), they are still under shariah court juridiction, plus this apostace can go convert over the border as in singapura, they dont have to fight in msia, since msia is a Islamic nation.
--tearfate 09:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation needed

message: While I can understand the emotions that issues like this can bring about, I don't think writing this article the way it is written does any justice to Wikipedia. Let's stick to the facts, folks and keep the personal opinions out of the articles. If its a cited opinion within context of the article, then make sure the citation is provided but keep in mind the article needs to be neutral.
I think its high time this whole article is rewritten, not as a whitewash, but to remove some of the more anti-Muslim bias tone from it. - Bob K 17:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and while we're at it, let me make my own suggestion. Malaysia has been independent for half a century, yet events pre-2000 are barely mentioned. Let's have some history, shall we? Biruitorul 03:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good suggestion. Incidences like the Maria Hertogh riots are also part of the historical context of inter faith relations in Malaysia. - Bob K 04:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite needed

message: The article suggests a non Muslim cannot marry a Muslim in Malaysia. Definitely many Google results and also anecdotal evidence I heard from one party involved in such a situation this is true. However also from Google re Malaysia and also from memory of a Catholic news paper in Malaysia and I think other sources it's suggested a Christian female can in fact marry a Muslim male although she obviously can't teach her children her religion. In general terms this is mentioned Interreligious marriage. Is anyone aware of any case or evidence to suggest it is in fact practiced in Malaysia and is not simply theoretical 'should be allowed' but has never actually been done? I suspect there would be strong pressure on the female to convert in any case and by not converting your likely to have even bigger problems in the event of divorce & custody disputed but it would be good to add details on this if any are available both on the theoretical side as supported by Malaysian sources and on the practical side Nil Einne 19:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive never come across this. So u saying, a non-muslim male must, as required by law, convert before he can marry a muslim lady, and that a non-muslim lady is not required by law to convert? kawaputratorque 02:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-muslim female marrying a muslim male 

message: I have some concerns about the letter. Given the way it's presented and the fact it appears it hasn't been referred to in a reliable source I feel it's a bit ORy. Do others agree? Nil Einne 19:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Letter 

message: This article is discussing not just Religious freedom in Malaysia, but Religion in Malaysia in general. Yet, there is a different article for that subject Religion in Malaysia.Bless sins (talk) 16:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Two articles

message: This article is sparsely sourced and seems to contain a lot of editorializing. I intend to re-write when possible and delete when not. Monkeyassault (talk) 05:19, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research and poor sourcing

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thread_title:  Apostasy more recent case 

message: The article says that Judaism is not a recognized religion in Malaysia. Where is the source for this claim? Seethruskinnnn (talk) 21:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judaism Not a Recognized Religion in Malaysia