Talk:List of Air episodes/Archive 2

message: #Support, I not only think this looks better, but I think it's easier to read. I'll repeat some of my reasonings from my past comments, "WP:LOE's template itself is used in over 20 articles already (Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Japanese episode list, Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Japanese episode list (no image)), and has been very well received so far.  Meanwhile, the OMG inspired/Cool Cat episode template has some objections (Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/June 2006#List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes, Talk:List of Naruto episodes#Reorganisation, User talk:Cool Cat/Archive/2006/06#Air).  WP's LOE episode templates are easy to use, with clearly marked parameters. The template also makes use of individual episode screenshots seen on most lists of episodes."  Also, style layout is not a factor for Featured lists (although I think it should be).  Featured list status seems to be the only pro-argument I can see for the other template and style. -- Ned Scott 03:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:LOE's style and Japanese episode template

message: *Support, I think this one looks better, especially with Air's beautiful DVD covers....but that's beside the point. I'm still concerned about image cluttering, and I don't think an image for every episode is necessary. And precedence is not an issue here. _dk 05:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The style I recommend also has a no image format (Template:Japanese episode list (no image)), and the DVD covers can be placed on their own little table above, like what is done in many lists. -- Ned Scott 05:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An example of what this page would look like using  --TheFarix (Talk) 14:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which also clearly shows the unnecesary amout of whitespace. (2 lines of them). On Naruto list people were complaining about one extra line (which is temporarily blank). Large tables break wikitable on firefox borwser. On your example several of the verticle vertical lines are missing. That fails to meet a featured list criteria IIRC. --Cat out 14:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Firefox's bugs are apart of the criteria? I think not. I've looked at the list under Firefox, it doesn't break. -- Ned Scott 18:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussed below as I am sure you know. :) --Cat out 07:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cool Cat's List of Anime Ep TV style and template

message: I think the table issue must be adressed independantly from the poll (which now became rather pointless IMHO). Same thing that happens to sex and the city list happens to air lists. That is the only reason why I insist on thick borders. --Cat out 21:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, this looks fine under Firefox on both Mac and Windows (I asked some friends via IRC to look at it). You need to reinstall your browser or something, because that's not normal. -- Ned Scott 05:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have checked it on 5 computers, 2 of them my own. I get the same result. I am using the latest version of firefox. It just is not working, which is a problem. --Cat out 06:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: What are the odds of 5 computers having same corrupt version... Apperantly you were correct. I can happily sacrifice the ugly thick borders as well. So we are now voting on where the episode numbers, kanji, and romanji appear only. --Cat out 06:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can also comfirm and refute the formatting problems with the tables with Firefox 1.5.0.4.  On one of my machines it renders correctly everytime.  But on the other it renders incorrectly everytime.  The biggest thing I noticed is that it renders incorrectly in different locations when I reload.  On the machine not rendering correctly, I used a new profile and that seems to have corrected it.  -- Pedantic79 (talk) 06:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea it is a very wierd issue. I have reinstalled firefox from scratch. When I hit the save button the tables are screwed up however when I revisit they start working again. I am not exactly certain what causes the issue but many others should be experiencing it. However need of the many outway the few <vulcan salute> --Cat out 06:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Separator line still seems a bit too thick. -- Ned Scott 06:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that it's that horrible, but, eh. -- Ned Scott 06:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I kept it at a solid 5 pixels, it is easy to make it smaller but 5 pixels isn't much... If you desire you can edit the template and make it thiner. Though please dont go below 2 pixels ;) --Cat out 06:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: User agent on firefox? Is there a way to fix it? I am really interested. Perhaps a FAQ should exist in wikipedia namespace for this bug. --Cat out 20:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, the only guaranteed solution is to split the table. Using wider borders also work, but that is just as ugly. Complex tables with larger number of col/rowspan are much more prone to this, too, so there might be investigation to do there. Circeus 23:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Spliting the table is an overkill. Wider borders is what I was doing in the past. Perhaps this should be reported to mozzila. I am not sure what to report though. --Cat out 01:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

text: We could just pester mozzila. --Cat out 08:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Table issue

message: I have protected this article from editing until the editing disputes can be sorted out on here, and everyone is prepared to edit collaboratively on this article. It's not that difficult, people. - Mark 06:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In all reality, this is such a minor anime that I really shouldn't care, and my quick reactions are probably not helping. However, I don't think ignoring issues for the sake of making Cool Cat happy is the right thing to do.  I think it's pretty clear from this talk page that Cool Cat is interested in only doing things his way, and only considered the input from others when he was under the threat of the above straw poll. I am considering a RfC on Cool Cat, but I've never participated in a RfC, let alone initiated one. If anyone has any.. advice or would like to help, it'd be greatly appreciated. Even after all this he doesn't show any improvement, I don't think there's another way to resolve these disputes.  Also, it appears that this is not the first time someone has had to take such action, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek.  -- Ned Scott 06:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That arbitration case was filed against davenbelle and sterotek and had nothing to do with anime or with lists. It was filed roughly a year ago. your point? --Cat out 07:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That with you, sometimes extreme measures are necessary. -- Ned Scott 07:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: People stalking have been blocked indefinately in the past (most notably User:The Recycling Troll, blocked by Jimbo Wales himself). This is covered under Wikipedia:Harassment which that very arbitration case you cited has infact shaped. I strongly discourage you from engage in such behaviour. --Cat out 08:17, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An editor cannot be blocked for starting a RfC... And this is clearly not harassment... You feel this is a threat from me, so you try to threaten me? I'm looking at all the things required for RfC, and dang, there's a heck of a lot of stuff I got to pull together to even file this.  If I wanted to threaten you I'd have chosen something easy.  RfC is when you want to resolve an issue and you've clearly run out of options. -- Ned Scott 09:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "extreme measures" (Stalking I presumed) is a blockable offense. You are free and welcome to file an RfC. I'd however recommend speding time on something that is actualy usefull. --Cat out 09:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...Stalking? ..... what?........ What stalking? I never suggested stalking, I meant that filing an RfC was an extreme measure because it takes a lot of work! In no way was I advocating the actions of stalking! good grief. -- Ned Scott 09:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. Because my arbitration case was strictly about stalking and I do not see any way it can apply to this articles issue. Filing an rfc is a great amount of work, you also have to get it approved providing steps of Wikipedia:dispute resolution you have taken in the manner they have been described. I still recomend spending your time on something much more productive. --Cat out 12:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection 

message: To be honest, I'm tired of seeing this series of arguments drag on. It's pointless and you're not going to reach a consensus ever at this rate, so this article will become perennially locked from editting. Why don't you just drop the argument for the moment, go finish up the article, and then come back to argue about the finer points? There is no point in trying to reach consensus now since someone always object to it, and nothing is gained if things continue like this.
So how about it? Let's say we request that the article to be unprotected, go fill in the article (but NOT mess around with the template or removing the movie entry, because I don't want to go through this again), and when everything else is done, concerned parties can continue with their drama. Sounds like a good plan? _dk 12:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I am doing that in my userspace. See: User:Cool Cat/List of Air episodes I will complete it soon, I welcome any assistance. (currently takinng a wiki-vacation). An unprotection is unnecesary. --Cat out 15:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: No, I'm sorry, but to many users have had similar problems with Cool Cat for me to just let this go and let him have "his way".  There's over-flowing examples of his bad editing behavior, and to just ignore this issue because he's being a pain is the kind of thing that is harmful to wikipedia. Maybe if this wasn't an article that I was interested in personally in editing, then I might be able to let it go.  Cool Cat continues his attempts to force his way and not work with others time and time again.  This is ridicules that I have to stand here and argue very basic things simple because he chooses to ignore logic.  The more I interact with him the more I find this out. I'd like to point out the comments on the following pages to support my words: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cool Cat (01), Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cool Cat (02), Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cool Cat (03), m:Template:Administrators/Requests and votes/Cool Cat 1, m:Template:Administrators/Requests and votes/Cool Cat 2, in addition to the above comments and quotes I pointed out as well. -- Ned Scott 21:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And, incase it's not obvious, even though this is not an RfA those comments still refer to Cool Cat's editing attitudes and outline major disputes and disruptions involving him. -- Ned Scott 21:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm thinking more along the lines of including a wikilink to the movie in the See also section, but not actually include a description of the movie among the list of episodes. That's because the movie is an alternative telling of the same story instead of a prequel or sequel of the TV story line, like how the FMA movie is a sequal of to TV series. --TheFarix (Talk) 00:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A temporary resolution

message: Just to let everyone know, I've nominated Recap episode (Air episode) for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Recap episode (Air episode). You can see my reasons and give discussion there. -- Ned Scott 06:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recap episode article up for deletion 

message: This article has been protected for almost a month, but I don't see much discussion. Has the dispute died down? If so, I will unprotect the page as it's been more than long enough and re-protect should the edit warring continue. Cowman109Talk 03:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: Is there a reason this is a separate article from the main Air article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_%28TV_series%29 ?  I can't really fathom why it needs its own article, when other series integrate theirs in the main entry. 71.162.249.23 10:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's its own article just for the other reason that many series split the episodes section because it gets too long and obstructive to view on the main article, such as with: List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes, List of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni episodes, List of Ouran High School Host Club episodes, etc. etc. And while I do see your point in that the Air (TV series) article is lacking content, I believe they should still be split.--(十八|talk) 10:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with main article?