Talk:Mark Thornton

message: These tags have never been discussed on the talk page, thus removal of unexplained tags (unless they are very clearly relevant, which these are not) always ok.
*This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. (June 2013)
*This article possibly contains original research. (June 2013)
*This biographical article relies on references to primary sources. (June 2013)
*This article may contain improper references to self-published sources. (June 2013)
So we can those who support them please explain them? Otherwise they will be removed. Thanks. Carolmooredc  (Talkie-Talkie) 19:15, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: These tags still are not explained and have been removed. Carolmooredc  (Talkie-Talkie) 19:21, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Please explain tags

message: This article was posted for AfD one month ago. Why bring up notability again at this point?  – S. Rich (talk) 05:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: To encourage improvement of the article by tagging its borderline notabiity and avoid another AfD a couple of months down the road, now please don't edit war. You should undo your removal of the template. Next time, use talk first before you revert. Thanks.  SPECIFICO talk  14:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is already tagged for sources, etc., which properly encourage improvement of the article. Notability is not an issue. You did your bold tag, I reverted, I started this discussion. (The essay is BRD, not BDR.)  – S. Rich (talk) 16:31, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not up to you to remove a template, as you've pointedly told other editors in other articles. Please review WP policy and consider your actions. Thanks.  SPECIFICO talk  17:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The guidance for  says "Usage: Add this template to the top of any page whose article subject is, in your judgment, reasonably likely to be non-notable (not the sort of subject that Wikipedia ought to have an article about)...."  – S. Rich (talk) 17:19, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem isn't notability since lots of refs have been brought up and material just needs to be entered, the issue is editors needing to add them. So many articles, so little time.  Carolmooredc  (Talkie-Talkie) 18:45, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Carol is correct—notability is not the problem. It is true that the references listed at the AfD and on the talk page should be added to the article, with text summarizing their positions. However, these refs establish notability quite well. Binksternet (talk) 05:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  The tag doesn't state that the article is not notable. It states that the article "may" not be notable. The AfD establishes that notability is questionable, since it indicated that there was "no consensus" for (or against) notability. Steeletrap (talk) 05:51, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Binksternet is quite correct. We add tags that are truly helpful to the development of the project. In this case the refimprove, "find", etc. tags serve quite well. Given that a certain antipathy toward Mises.org people has been expressed by various editors, the best course of action is to collaborate and improve the project/article – but that does not mean creating instability WRT any particular article. Moreover, what is the situation now as to this article? Do we have one or two editors, who in their judgment, feel that Murphy won't or doesn't meet notability guidelines? Well, that question was brought up at the AfD and the community was not convinced that notability did not exist. JFC, if he's not so damn notable then nobody is going to view the article! So ...... Stop pushing. Thanks.  – S. Rich (talk) 06:38, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings,  - On the topic of templates, would you like to do the honors and undo the recent removal of the templates which point out the excessive reliance on primary and affiliated sources for this article? Thanks.  SPECIFICO talk  21:11, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: First, there is no template about "affiliated sources" and such sources are used all the time in Bios as refs. Please do not make up policy on the fly. If that is what you were claiming were primary sources, please state so in the relevant section above. Thanks. Carolmooredc  (Talkie-Talkie) 21:42, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Eight of the fourteen footnote citations are to primary sources and one more is an interview hosted by a questionable "newspaper" -- do the right thing and restore the template.  That template will help alert editors that they can help work on this article by adding content cited to better references.  Do the right thing and undo your removal.  Thanks.  SPECIFICO talk  01:03, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: While we have 8/14 "primary source" footnotes, this does not address problems with either the footnotes or the notability issue. Primary sources are reliable when WP:CONTEXTMATTERS. Also, we have two dozen sources listed above. I imagine incorporating them into the article will further underwrite Thornton's notability. The article has been tagged with a BLP refimprove template to encourage the incorporation.  – S. Rich (talk) 01:34, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Insert: Hey, good template, Srich. I have about 30 chicago and mainstream economists who could use it - most of them half unsourced anyway. At my leisure, of course. Carolmooredc  (Talkie-Talkie) 02:39, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Specifico, if you spent half the energy on improving this article as you spend on trying to damage it, Thornton's bio would be more complete, the reader would be more informed, and Wikipedia would be richer. Binksternet (talk) 01:39, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't have two dozen sources yet.  We have two dozen lines in a google search, and if they have anything encyclopedic and noteworthy to say then such content should be added to the article.  Until then, we have nothing more than a to-do list for those who have reason to expect Thornton will turn out to be more accomplished a figure than is currently apparent.   SPECIFICO talk  01:44, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability template?