Talk:Robert Anton Wilson

message: Surely the section *Proability Reliance* Which we can probably agree is a a grey face of a title, could be changed and expanded to include Wilson's interesting excursions into epistemology, which he called maybe logic and the seciton could be rettiled Maybe Logic: or, the universe contains a maybe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.92.67.44 (talk) 15:32, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Maybe Logic

message: This article IS a mess! Somewhere Eris smiles. Some thoughts:
References to Winterstar & DisinfoCon - RAW appeared at many, many conferences and gave many, many lectures.
References to publishing in Mondo 2000 - RAW wrote "thousands" (his words) of magazine articles for scores of magazines. See http://www.rawilsonfans.com/writing.html for a small sample.
Discography - with the hundreds of lectures caught on tape and video, this is a very challenging undertaking, see http://www.rawilsonfans.com/bibliography.html for a good start on this.
Pen Names: "Mordecai Malignatus, Mordecai the Foul, Reverend Loveshade" were his Discordian monikers, not necessarily pen names. (There are a few mentions of Mord in the Pricipia.) Known pen names: Simon Moon, Kevin O'Flaherty, Ronald Weston (per private email from RAW to Jesse Walker). Ralph Reid may be another pen name for RAW.
I wonder, why in RAW's list of publications "Principia Discordia" is not mentioned? 83.20.62.102Pamejudd  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.20.62.102 (talk) 20:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the :Principia Discordia was written by Greg Hill (Malaclypse The Younger) and Kerry Thornley (Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst).--Alf melmac 20:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Praise Eris!

message: Everything we know is wrong! - RAW
Ever thought, how stars (as in suns) separated by huge, vast, immense distances, manage to project themselves to a small arena so they can freely communicate, interact and generally not feel lonely.
Just on the relief effort, you can also travel through RAWs home site to dissolve any credibility issues you may preceive.
http://www.rawilson.com/main.shtml Demercurio 04:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And that is alright that it makes you uncomfortable. Look at why it makes you uncomfortable and see if you can come up with a way that will help you with it. In my point of view, the term 'some' is a pretty good term and, when you look at it, it is true in some sense (there are at least some who say that) and it is false in some sense (there are some who don't believe it). Which makes it both true and false in some sense.
- I believe him to be one of the last surviving futurist thinkers.  I am part of "some", therefore this claim is backed up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayden7 (talk • contribs) 02:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Indeed -:) I think that it would behoove a lot here to learn one of RAW's ways of reducing such semantic pollution: the word sombunall, as a contraction of Some-but-not-all. Being that, if I am to talk about a group of people or a group of things, all I or anyone can ever say with any fairness and precision is about some-but-not-all of the group. For example, sombunall of Canadians are passive-aggressive; sombunall of USAers love guns, and so forth. I hope this helps.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.86.116.133 (talk) 20:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contents

message: Has anyone thought of actually RAW personally, and just asking him to clarify?
An interview process is not that difficult, and most individuals in RAW's position relish any and all opportunities to talk about themselves and their ideas.
Might as well do it while he's still alive, right? KevinHFeeley 18:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Anyway, that would be ""Original Research" and therefore a violation of Wikidouchia rules.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.65.143 (talk) 17:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

text: This should be clarified. I've changed the link to "libertarian socialist" in the meantime. It seems to me that's what he means when he says he would like to use the term libertarian if it weren't for "the people who got their grip on that word". Sarge Baldy 16:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarification

message: This is what I got for evedence of leary acclaim.  I'm in a major hurry right now, so more later I guess.
===Fellatio===
I remember reading an interview years ago with either Wilson or Shea (possibly in Playboy itself) in he said, presumably with tongue in cheek, that the sole purpose of fiction was to provide descriptions of fellatio. Anyone know what the source is, and which of them said it? Hayford Peirce 00:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-6494.1956.tb01295.x

message: I remember reading an interview years ago with either Wilson or Shea (possibly in Playboy itself) in he said, presumably with tongue in cheek, that the sole purpose of fiction was to provide descriptions of fellatio. Anyone know what the source is, and which of them said it? Hayford Peirce 00:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fellatio

message: This article needs a clearer lead. See: Wikipedia:Lead section. – Autodidact 00:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Toward a more perfect Wikipedia article

message: You need some other sources to backup your statements per WP:V which applies to all Wikipedia articles and is non negotiable. It requires citations from multiple, reliable, unbiased, verifiable sources.
Consult WP:CITE. A citation is in the body of the article refering to a particular claim. Multiple links bunched at the bottom are not considered citations. You might also consult WP:EL for what type of external links are considered accepable. Also WP:OR. NLOleson 14:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Again, this reads much like Original research

message: What kind of citation is required to demonstrate that the Illuminatus trilogy is Wilson's best-known work? Pretty much every time he's referred to in print, it's as "the author of Illuminatus". How does one demonstrate which exact work of a writer is the "best-known" one?
For what it's worth, Wilson claimed in "Robert Anton Wilson Explains Everything" that royalties from Illuminatus constitute the lion's share of his income. Pearce.duncan 05:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, a citation needed tag there is silly and pointlessly contentious. For both of the reasons you name (there's not really a way to "cite" how well known a book is, and it IS the best known of his books), I'm removing the tag. MrBook 21:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Writing: "citation needed" on Illuminatus!

message: Slashdot and Douglas Rushkoff's blog have now also posted appeals for help on behalf of RAW. -- noosphere 14:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: RAW is basically dying right now. Is a  too morbid? - David Gerard 10:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so. He's apparently been in this condition for quite some time now - wasn't the first blog post to mention this back in April? --Gwern (contribs) 14:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: However there should be some mention of this - because hes requesting donations it seems, and wiki mention of this might help. - I saw this post on a forum:
"We are sad to announce that Robert Anton Wilson's health continues to
deteriorate, and ongoing medical costs have depleted his resources. (For
those of you who believe that being a "successful" author means that
you make a lot of money from your work...well, that's rarely the case.)
During October, New Falcon Publications will be donating 7% of all
online orders to Bob's fund. We hope that you will help, too.
Any donations can be made to Bob directly to the Paypal account,
olgaceline@gmail.com.
You can also send a check payable to Robert Anton Wilson to:
Dennis Berry
c/o Futique Trust
P.O. Box 3561
Santa Cruz, CA 95063
If you'd like more information, go to:
<http://www.rushkoff.com/2006/10/robert-anton-wilson-needs-our-help.php>
or Bob's website:
<http://www.rawilson.com/>
Warmly,
Nick Tharcher "
--83.131.144.156 17:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Slashdot and Doug Rushkoff on RAW

message: The mess of this page points just to the core of the whole situation: when a thinker works around free -unsystematic- lines, it produces a lot of tension and discomfort. Some people is even asking for commentators with enough academic credentials to judge RAW's stature... That would be a sort of oxymoron, as RAW has been working all his life toward a different direction. You are not going to find backup from the place that you have always tried to destroy.
Bob was not destructive.  He said he did not want to be taken seriously and said "I happen to think me and my friends rule the world.  If someone else wants to think the same about themselves and their friends, well, thats no skin off my nose" (paraphrase, but pretty good 1) from The Illuminati PapersThaddeus Slamp 06:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hear-hear! 9-} Icarus 23 16:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: People is always needing chains and anchors

message: http://search.freefind.co/find.html?id=11183588&pageid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=robert+anton+wilson Timmy12 21:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: -- Three Rocencomet links are left in article. Timmy12 21:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From WP:EL Links to search engine results. should normally be avoided. The above is a particulary poor link, full of links to adverts for various tapes and books, you need to get down to item 7 to find a pertinant item. Due to the amount of advertising on the page we are getting very close to Links intended to promote a site, especially if that site's primary purpose is to advertise or sell products or services another no-no for WP:EL. I'd say ths was perhaphs a case of over citing.
As to whether Starwood should even get a mention here. The appropriate policy is WP:NPOV#Undue weight. Is it undue weight to link to just one of the many places where Wilson has talked. The fact that Wilson does not mention Starwood on his website http://www.rawilson.com/ would suggest it is undue weight. I think a good third party source would really be needed to establish that apearance at Starwood is worthy of note. --Salix alba (talk) 00:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Robert Anton Wilson appeared at a minimum of 5 Starwoods and more WinterStars, sometimes with co-author of Illuminatus Robert Shea. They were his first, and for several years his ONLY, major appearances in the American Neo-Pagan community. He was the key-note speaker at the first event of the Association for Consciousness Exploration's headquarters in 1984, and appeared as a solo speaker hosted by them several times at Case Western Reserve University, their event Opening Inner Doorways, and elsewhere. ACE featured him with Timothy Leary in 1989 for their first (possibly only) dual appearance on stage. Wilson's first 8 commercially-available recordings were live appearances at Starwood or WinterStar. ACE served as his American booking agent for five years while he lived in Ireland, introducing him to Circle Sanctuary, the Whole Life Expo, Esalen, Interface, the Ojai Institute, the New York Open Center, and many universities and well-known organizations. I doubt he has appeared more times for any other organization. Starwood 1995, his last one, was attended by over 1200 people, and he appeared at WinterStar as recently as 1999 even though he had to do it in a wheelchair. I'm sure Wilson considers these appearances "worthy of note". They constituted both his biggest and most diverse live audiences for several years, and were the star features of all of his American tours in the eighties. Rosencomet 18:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm prepered to be convinced on this one. Third party cites or somthing Robert has said about starwood would make it more convincing. We do need to keep WP:VAIN in mind which is why outside views are important. --Salix alba (talk) 18:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Put removed link here

message: RU Sirius, an associate of Mr Wilson's, has written a detailed obituary on his web site 10zenmonkeys.com. --gleep 06:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also on RAW's official website. Sadly, however, there appears to be no major media coverage that I can find. --23skidoo 13:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Obituary

message: Is it my imagination, or is this article missing details regarding the nature of RAW's illness and cause of death? The reference to hospice care suggests cancer, but hospices aren't exclusively for people with cancer. 23skidoo 13:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Illness and cause of death

message: I've reverted the edit "clarifying" that only one of the SJG "Illuminati" games is a card game.  They're both card games.  See Illuminati (game) and Illuminati: New World Order.  Geoffrey Spear 20:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illuminati games 

message: Which years did RAW live in Ireland? For a while he was writing a lot of essays on Irish events and politics, and seemed to be doing the infamous "more Irish than the Irish" thing that Irish-Americans who move to Ireland seem to do. --FOo 08:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ireland 

message: Boundaries of the Mind: The Individual in the Fragile Sciences (2004) was written by Robert A. Wilson from the Dept. Of Philosophy at the University Of Alberta...different Bob Wilson.
http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/~raw/cvnov06.pdf —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.111.186.48 (talk) 23:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert A. Wilson 

message: Hi, I've created a Second Life Memorial for Robert Anton Wilson.
Would it be appropriate/permissible to mention it along with a SLURL (a locator link which will allow Second Life residents to visit)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TDonaghe (talk • contribs) 03:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Life Memorial 

message: some section of one of the Wilson related articles implies that Wilsons use of the term model agnosicism was a case of neologism.  Geurilla Ontology is neologistic, but hardly so w/ model agnosticism, which really is part of the vocabulary of modern science.  It has to do with statistical modeling in the realm of theory testing.  It seems to be even more widely applied by scientists than Wilson implied.Thaddeus Slamp 05:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Model agnosticism/statistics 

message: User:AlistairMcMillan has deleted two links to R.U.Sirius's 'blog: Wilson's obituary and A Selection of Obscure Robert Anton Wilson Essays as "Blog Spam". Given that Sirius is notable, I would have thought "Blog Spam" a bit harsh and unsupportable... DrJon 06:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would tend to agree. R.U. Sirius has collaborated with Wilson on projects and, like Wilson, co-wrote books with Timothy Leary. I don't think these links were meant as spam, but as an improvement to the article. His obituary, as a notable journalist, is a significant one, and the list of essays is a resource that those visiting this article to research R.A.W. might well appreciate. Rosencomet 15:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blog Spam? 

message: I hope no one minds, but I made a small addition to the section about Bob's death.  I mentioned that he was obviously touched by the love and support his fans gave him, when he needed help with his health care costs. And then I added an excerpt from a comment that he left on his personal website.  It's currently on the front page there under the title 'Note From RAW'.  Here it is in its entirety:
"Dear Friends, my God, what can I say. I am dumbfounded, flabbergasted, and totally stunned by the charity and compassion that has poured in here the last three days.
To steal from Jack Benny, "I do not deserve this, but I also have severe leg problems and I don't deserve them either."
Because he was a kind man as well as a funny one, Benny was beloved. I find it hard to believe that I am equally beloved and especially that I deserve such love.
Whoever you are, wherever you are, know that my love is with you.
You have all reminded me that despite George W. Bush and all his cohorts, there is still a lot of beautiful kindness in the world.
Blessings,
Robert Anton Wilson"
What a sweet and humble man.♥
pixiequix 09:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added a Short Comment 

message: Hi -- my myspace profile page -- http://www.myspace.com/icarus_23 -- now has a slide show of selections of the art from the comic that were displayed around the world during RAW's Meme-Orial.  It started when Wilson's daughter asked for pictures of him and related to his work for a slde show for her sending off his ashes in a very small boat into the Pacific.  I answered, "You want pictures, I've got PICTURES!"
After that, I made the art available for others to display at their events.  Noteably (there's that darn word...), the Radio Eris people in Philly printed some out on poster boards that now inhabit their practice room.
More documentation can be found at:
http://rawremembered.blogspot.com/
(Now how's THAT for noteability, Greyfaces??? Serves you right for decimating Discordian Works after those folks put such hard time and effort into it!!!!  I might just give myself an inverted Barnstar for that!)
(And I'M not going to be the one to put any of this on the main front page...)
24.176.20.60 03:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Art from the comic used in Wilson's Meme-Orial (SIC) now available on Web 

message: What the fuck happened to his daughter?
His daughter, Patricia Luna Wilson, was murdered at the age of 15.  She was robbed of a few dollars, and brutally beaten to death.  When her body was found, Bob and Arlen Wilson decided to have their daughter's brain cryogenically frozen.  Here's the statement that was released with regards to their decision to preserve her brain:
 "We have had the brain of our murdered daughter Patricia Luna Wilson, preserved by the Bay Area Cryonics Society in the hope that future scientific research will allow her to live again through cloning.
We have taken this step as an expression of our belief in life, our reverence for life -- a reverence that Luna manifested every day of her 15 years. Luna loved people and animals; she was a pacifist and a vegetarian. It is our fervent hope that, whether or not cloning eventually succeeds in this case, scientific research will be aided and this will be one contribution to humanity's conquest of death.
More importantly, we support the quest for life extension and scientific immortality because it is a fit memorial to Luna, who so loved life, who was so boundless in joy and affection.
Above all, by this scientific endeavor we express and commemorate our faith in life and our total rejection of death and violence. By this attempt to preserve life, we say "No" to the dealers in death and violence. We say "No" to the governments that use mass murder as policy. We say "No" to an entertainment industry based on the pornography of violence and the prurience of sadism. And we say "No" to the creature who, in his blind ignorance of the value of life, killled Luna to steal a few dollars." 
pixiequix 04:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luna 

message: The quote in the introduction "My goal is to try to get people into a state of generalized agnosticism, not agnosticism about God alone, but agnosticism about everything."[2] This was linked from wikiquote http://www.rawilsonfans.com/articles/Starship.htm and seems like an appropriate link.  --Pballen 13:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External Reference 2

message: I can find no mention of the "Starflight Network" anywhere, nor is any citation provided. The "Leary Periodic Table", a 24-phase table based on his 8-circuit mind model, is not called the "Periodic Table of Energy" anywhere I can find. Wilson refered to this table in an article called "The Octave of Energy". I don't think the editor who added this material has his facts straight; Wilson's lecture agent from 1982 through 1988 has never heard of the "Starflight Network". An entry refering to them was placed in the article Purple.Rosencomet (talk) 18:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The best I can find on RAW's website it says the Starflight Network is mentioned in Prometheus Rising. Here's the link. It seems that the editor mentioned lifted much of the text straight from the websites about page. ZaQ (talk) 23:00, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Starflight Network

message: Have just added infobox & Wikiicommons pic, so have removed request templates. Wingspeed (talk) 21:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox & photo request templates (above)

message: perhaps a mention of Antioch College?  The place appears in Illuminatus repeatedly, and supposedly there was some kind of drama concerning his being at odds with Horace Mann's legacy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.251.194.18 (talk) 22:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antioch College 

message: What can RAW's worldview or philosophy be labeled as? Was he a subjectivist? In Maybe Logic, he bashes objectivists  a little bit, but can he really be considered a subjectivist or a promoter of a specific branch of subjectivism? What label(s) would you give his ideas?72.240.112.36 (talk) 23:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subjectivism? 

message: I added a Template and two lists related to occultism, but on second thought removed them. Did RAW ever call himself an occultist, or would he recoil, shake, laugh, or walk away shaking his head if he was called that. Might just as well call him a trampoline expert, I don't know for sure. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Added the lists and template again. Sure, I think he would have said one of his shifting identities could be called occultist. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Shall we go according to what he would call himself (guessing at such), or the definition Wikipedia itself uses? According to the definition of occultist, "This is a list of notable people, whether contemporary, historical or legendary, who are or were involved in any of the following practices and traditions:
    * occult science
    * paranormal magic, 'black' or 'white'
    * witchcraft
    * sorcery
    * wizardry
    * astrology
    * alchemy
    * practical mysticism
    * West African Vodun, Haitian Vodou, or Louisiana Voodoo
    * divination and fortune-telling
    * theurgy"
, Wilson definitely qualifies. He was a practitioner of, and an authority on, several of the above practices. I have often seen him publicly participate in the rituals of some of these disciplines. But I don't know if he'd call himself an occultist without being handed this definition. "Involved in"? He also designed and led rituals, although knowing him, he might argue whether he "believed" in the paths they spring from. "Conditional belief", perhaps... take as needed. I don't think he would distinguish between a Harner shamanic visionquest, an Anodea Judith guided chakra meditation, a Selena Fox Wiccan mystery play, or a mind game by Masters & Houston - and for our purposes, perhaps there is no distinction.
But he certainly was an occult writer. His novels all incorporated several of the above paths, and his book Cosmic Trigger is an excellent introductory reference on some. Rosencomet (talk) 23:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  An occultist? 

message: Seems to me to be a huge amount of material on Illuminatus!, so I gave it its own section. The plot summary seems long on the page, and covers only a tiny portion of the total multi-topic plot. Maybe it can be shortened, with links to the Illuminatus article. The Historical trilogy, or Sch. Cat trilogy, isn't even mentioned in the article, and they may deserve their own section right after the Illuminatus section. Also, many of RAW's reoccurring characters come from The Sex Magicians, written before Ill. with Shea, and perhaps more of a mention of this would be appropriate. I'll work on some of those edits and sections, and see what other editors think. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, here lies wisdom, says the gophers neighbor: Take a peek at the wonderful (IMHO) summary of the Illuminatus! trilogy on the List of Discordian works. Can we just steal it, borrow it, or pay the page in golden coconuts to let the page use it as a paragraph? This would then form a core to work a couple of other paragraphs around, and the RAW page would float nearer to the sun before landing. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Might be worth mentioning the planned but never written Historical Chronicle v4, "The World Turned Upside Down," and "Bride of Illuminiatus!" (w/Shea) which was excerpted in Trajectories 14.   Taken in whole, Wilson's fiction makes up a multi-generational tale a'la Michener.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quackenbush23 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Illuminatus! and other book sections

message: I'm a complete wiki and RAW-newbie that just wanted to point out RAW's own opinion on the matter, where this article has concluded otherwise.
RAW, Prometheus Rising; Preface to the second edition, p 11, l 2-15:
"It actually began as a Ph.D. dissertation called "The Evolution of Neuro-Sociological Circuits: A Contribution to the Sociobiology of Consciousness," which I wrote in 1978-79 for an alternative university called Paideia. At that time, Paideia ranked as State Approved, the highest rating given to the alternative universities in California, where we have alternatives to everything and the state feels required to classify the alternatives on a scale of "experimental" to totally bonkers. Alas, Paideia, having achieved relative respectability as an "alternative," later joined with a much more radical and Utopian outfit, Hawthorn University, and lost its top rank among counter-culture educational contraptions in California, falling from Approved to Authorized, a much lower rating."
This is just to show or give an indication for what history this Paideia University might have had, and to perhaps give the readers a more proper/balanced perspective on the University of which RAW got his P.hD if there is anything to this statement of RAW.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.88.175.140 (talk) 01:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Paideia University in California,[4]  an unaccredited institution that has since closed". Has it always been so? 

message: I realize that Wilson was very in favor of personal freedom but I don't really think the libertarian tag is appropriate. In the US, libertarian definitely connotes "a believer in free-market capitalism." I've read about halfway through Prometheus and looked at several of his writings on the web - I can cite specifics if needed but basically, it seems like he definitely had some problems with American style free marketism. Libertarians, in general, seem to be over eager to claim people as part of their ideological heritage when really those people's views only partly (or in some cases, not at all) sync up with theirs. Even if Wilson self-identified as a libertarian, it's at least worth looking into what he actually meant (that word has meant different things at different times, obviously) or qualifying that statement.
Consider these:
"the dingbat politics of businessmen"
"the monopolization of land [...] by these land-lords"
the way he bemoans Adlai Stevenson/George MgGovern's losses to their conservative opponents who used lower-level circuits
"Every time the interest rate went up, so did the suicide rate; when the interest rate went down, so did suicide. This can hardly be called a 'coincidence.'"
"Reagan conservatives [and] John Birchers [....] will always revere those Higher in the pecking order; and [...] will always have some reason to persecute - peck at - the poor [....] they will say and even believe, that they are being 'robbed' by the poor on Welfare - who get about 4% of the tax dollar." A Reagan conservative has almost come to mean the same thing as a libertarian.
Wilson obviously does not like orthodox Communism - but who honestly will defend that anymore? Just because he is not a devout Stalinist does not somehow make him a pure free market man. The quotes above don't "prove" anything but I think they merit a deeper look, especially with the overrepresentation and overeagerness of libertarians on the internet. And, there's more where those came from, and this is just one of his many books.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.74.31.123 (talk) 18:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libertarian? 

message: In the article there really is no evidence given that Robert Anton Wilson is an agnostic, did he in his own words actually ever admit being an agnostic? This does not seem to be recorded. Over reading some of his books he seems to make many atheistic quotes, many of his comments were actually militant atheist based he seem to poke fun of the idea of God on many occasions that isnt what agnostics do. He sounds very much like a militant atheist to me he also wrote a number of books mocking the paranormal. Can anyone confirm this. Can someone please add some kind of documentation to the article showing Robert Anton Wilson views regarding God, i looked on the net already and all i see is atheist quotes nothing from an agnostic point of view.  86.10.119.131 (talk) 16:13, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He referred to himself as agnostic and that's cited in the article. Yworo (talk) 16:18, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Well, you will need to be able to cite a reliable source that backs up that claim. --Saddhiyama (talk) 12:43, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I have also read some of his books (including Prometheus Rising), and my clear perception is that he is no atheist. He may mock many facets of "religious" dogma and living, but his irony and ridicule of people practicing religion would only by the most superficial reader (pick either meaning of that term) be mistaken for a rejection of the complex underlying ideas of many religious systems, which he had studied extensively and was obviously fascinated with beyond the option of distancing himself categorically from them. __meco (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

text: My friend Bob was definitely an agnostic. He was also a Pagan, and publicly said he thought everyone was born a Pagan, but many were talked out of it along the way. Wilson believed in the multiple reality model as firmly as a Christian believes in the Bible... by which I mean only sometimes, usually when its most inconvenient, humans being the contrary animals they are. Wilson not only advised others to be agnostic about everything, he lived by that credo. He said Convictions Breed Convicts. He considered atheism to be as superstitious as any other certainty, and therefore wrong-headed or just plain stupid. However, an atheist has as much right to his brand of fantasy as any Catholic, Protestant or Jew. Not subscribing to any particular religion, he felt free to participate in any religion's rituals or ideology he wished as the spirit moved him; he was part of hundreds of Pagan rites, was married in a Buddhist wedding, celebrated traditional Christian holidays with gusto (and often drunken debauchery), and attended both Masses and Black Masses at one time or another. He had no problem donning the mantle of an Earth Religion adherent, a pantheist, a follower of the spirit of Christ, or a deterministic believer in a cause & effect clockwork universe at any time and according to WHAT WORKS for that moment and that purpose. Fundamentalists of any stripe would say if he doesn't have only one belief system he has none at all; he would say he has ALL of them, and proudly blow them a raspberry. Rosencomet (talk) 02:57, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Anton Wilson atheist not an agnostic 

message: In the lead paragraph, with regard to Discordianism it states: "Wilson helped publicize the group through his writings, interviews, and strolls."
What is a "stroll"?  I can find no reference anywhere to what this could possibly mean.  It can refer to a street or walkway, or the action of taking a leisurely walk, neither which make sense in context.  --TricksterWolf (talk) 22:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the term's meaning is unclear, but RAW did hand out flyers/papers about Discordianism at a Billy Graham event once, and made a stamp advertising Illuminatus! that he used to stamp "around town," so to speak.  Though I don't think either of these should be mentioned.  It seems "interviews" and "writings" are sufficient. Wiki.correct.1 (talk) 22:30, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Stroll" means what? 

message: The article of noted psychedelic interviewer and long-time friend of RAW is being chopped up (it was deleted and redirected, but that has been prevented for now), and my efforts to provide citations and reinstate valid data have been hampered by IMO ridiculous accusations of COI simply because David was a speaker over ten years ago at an event I am involved in, and I cited that appearance under Lecture Venues. ALL my entries, not just that one, are being challenged. I can certainly use some help with the article in general. If you are familiar with and interested in an article about David Jay Brown (and have the time), I would appreciate your attention.Rosencomet (talk) 16:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
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message: Anton Wilson, after writing an extensive article critical of capitalism, he ends it in this way in which he self-describes himself as a "libertarian socialist": "I ask only one thing of skeptics: don’t bring up Soviet Russia, please. That horrible example of State Capitalism has nothing to do with what I, and other libertarian socialists, would offer as an alternative to the present system." "Is Capitalism a Revealed Religion?"  From the Realist issue number 27 — June, 1961. Also many statements againts capitalism can be found in his most importat works such as Prometheus rising if anyone has doubts but someone who has really read Anton Wilson will be aware of such statements but also i will have to point out that the very influential thinker in him, Wilhelm Reich, is a libertarian marxist. Anyway i have only included RAW in the category of "libertarian socialists". --Eduen (talk) 09:18, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anton Wilson Libertarian socialist 

message: There are two topics Wilson related to this page at the talk page of RAWilson's template, relating to the inclusion of influences on the template as well as the notability of his wife and daughter. Randy Kryn 16:22, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
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message: In §  Plays and screenplays: 
: Wilson's book Cosmic Trigger I: The Final Secret of the Illuminati had been adapted as a theatrical stage play by Daisy Eris Campbell,[21] daughter of Ken Campbell, the British theatre maverick who staged Illuminatus! at the Royal National Theatre in 1977. The new play is scheduled to open on 23 November 2014 in Liverpool before transferring to London and Brighton.[22]  Some of the costs are to be met through crowdfunding.[23]
"Is scheduled to open", "are to be met": obviously this needs updating. (Besides changing "had been adapted" to "has been adapted", which I'm about to do.)  --Thnidu (talk) 00:05, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
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message: A seven-day prod had been removed in an instant article erasure and redirect to this page, but the article has been replaced. A couple of good cites would improve the page, the subject is pioneering and notable, and that the book is written is e-prime seems notable as well. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:32, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: UPDATE: Quantum Psycology has now been nominated for deletion. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: More  cites needed for ''[[Quantum Psychology]]''

message: This article is one of the few eligible for :Category:American SubGenii due to the documented and sourced content herein. Elizium23 (talk) 14:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
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message: Any information on his family? What were his parents jobs? Did he have any brothers or sisters? Etc. --1.136.108.100 (talk) 06:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family? 

message: From its long-term text to its present state which has removed the main descriptors, the page and an attempt to save it is being discussed on its talk page (now the merging it to the Leary page has been raised). Please come by to lend some knowledge about Wilson and/or Leary (whose careers and importance are also being commented upon and denigrated within the discussion) and the importance of the model. Thanks. This started when Leary was removed from :Category:American consciousness researchers and theorists, which seems to me to fit him to a "T". Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Eight-circuit model of consciousness]] undergoing extensive reduction and discussion