Talk:Pendatang asing

message: This article does not tell what "pendatang asing" actually means. JIP | Talk 07:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it does — "orang pendatang" or "pendatang asing" means no more than "foreigner". This could be better clarified, though. If you want a literal translation, "orang pendatang" means "he who comes/came" and "pendatang asing" means "foreign comer". Johnleemk | Talk 11:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I believe orangutan derives from the Malay phrase "orang hutan", or "forest people". Orang is just the Malay word for people. Johnleemk | Talk 11:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Pendatang Asing literally translated illegal immigrant specifically refering to illegal immigrants currently flooding Malaysia, with the main culprit comes from Indonesia, Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Philipines, China and Pakistan (in no particular order).
Currently, over 1 million illegal immigrants estimatedly residing in Malaysia, contributing to the rising number of crimes and instability of jobs market in Malaysia to immigrants which came in legally and the local populace.
According to Malaysia's Immigration Department Enforcement Director, Datok Ishak Mohamed, as of January 2005, 309,248 illegal immigrants has been transported back  to their home country with Indonesian illegals topping the list at 272,224, followed by India 13,380, Philipines 5,846, Bangladesh 5,601, China 2,729, Nepal 2,548, and Pakistan 2,282. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suryasuharman (talk • contribs) 
:Pendatang asing does not mean "illegal immigrant" when literally translated. It means "foreign comer", or less literally, "foreign immigrant", and can just as easily refer to legal migrants. The article already mentions that "pendatang asing" is often incorrectly used to mean illegal immigrants. We should probably have an article on illegal immigrants in Malaysia where this information should go. I might create it, if I have the time. Johnleemk | Talk 11:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, this article is about "pendatang asing" as a common Malay phrase in Malaysian politics — it is not about the literal meaning of "pendatang asing" (immigrant). Secondly, all illegal immigrants are immigrants, so the Malaysia Today article proves nothing. "Pendatang asing melakukan pembunuhan" means "Immigrants committed murders", not "Illegal immigrants committed murders". Johnleemk | Talk 11:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I quote from the article: "Cuma soalan tambahan saya, peningkatan yang berlaku, yang ingin saya kaitkan tentang pendatang tanpa izin ataupun pekerja asing ini yang berkemungkinan tidak mempunyai semangat pemahaman budaya kita di negara ini dan apakah kerajaan ingin menimbangkan tentang mewujudkan satu program khusus untuk mendidik mereka sebelum mereka memasuki ke negara kita dan bagaimana kerajaan dapat melihat sama ada mereka ini mempunyai rekod jenayah di negara masing-masing sebelum di bawa masuk ke Malaysia. Terima kasih." ("Just an additional question, the increase that occurred, which I wish to relate with illegal immigrants or these foreign workers which do not understand our culture -- has the government considered a special program to educate them before they enter our country, and can it conduct a background check on them before they are brought in to Malaysia? Thank you.") This clearly indicates the article was talking about both legal and illegal migrants. Johnleemk | Talk 11:04, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pendatang Asing incorrectly referred. 

message: This kind of article -- fairly short, about a phrase, in specific context -- is one that I find often works best as a section of a related, general article.  Moreover, the high-level structure of the article belies its youth.  Either the article will become better-structured (and either longer, or moving some of its content out to related articles), or it will be subsumed by another.  So I cannot mark it a Good Article yet.  +sj + 17:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA nomination 

message: This article is about the phrase "pendatang asing" and its usage in Malaysian politics. As this is not the Malay Wikipedia, the correct article for discussing illegal immigrants in Malaysia is...illegal immigrants in Malaysia. :p Johnleemk | Talk 12:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Pendatang Asing simply refers to immigrant, whether it's legal or illegal. It may be used in context of the current article but the term is not exlusively used in such manner. In fact, I think chauvanist politicians have misused the term in a very loaded and disparaging way. It's like doublespeak though a bit short of it. Methinks it's crucial that this article makes it clear that Pendatang Asing refers to immigrant, not the citizens of Malaysia. This is even more so when the current lead section talks of the term in a general sense. I'd however agree to a  in the Illegal immigrant section. __earth (Talk) 14:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then wouldn't our purpose be better served by clarifying this instead of discussing the history of illegal immigration in Malaysia? Johnleemk | Talk 16:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still need to touch on illegal immigration in Malaysia since this article has to cater international audience, not just Malaysians. For a person unfamiliar with Malaysian society, he/she might get the wrong impression by reading this article. __earth (Talk) 04:28, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I agree, the history of illegal immigration in Malaysia looks out of place in the article as it stands. Surely it would be better off as a "see also" link? After all, the lead section already clarifies the common usage of the phrase. Johnleemk | Talk 07:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illegal immigrants 

message: This article is clearly insulting Malaysia, its government and the people.
: This article shows what is currently going on within the country, where the phrase is commonly use in political scene (especially some politicians use this term to refer to non-Malay rather then immigrants). Adrianlcy (talk) 08:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article insulting 

message: The term "Pendatang asing" belong to Wikipedia Original Research, the term is also lack of verifiability, it is racist and racial discrimination. 218.208.193.68 (talk) 03:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

message: The term "Pendatang asing" is non-English, it is just a common Malay term, like "Tidak Apa", "Bocor", "Kuat Tipu", "Potong Stim", "Tak Tahan" and many more.
This kind of Malay terms are not suitable for English Wikipedia.
I propose this term to be deleted.
218.208.193.68 (talk) 03:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-English term