Talk:Edward Mitchell Bannister

message: * ... when Edward Mitchell Bannister  won first prize for his large oil Under the Oaks at the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial, some jurors tried to rescind his award  when they realised that he was an African-American. John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Did you know that ...

message: , I wonder if you may need to amend the first DYK nomination text? The nomination says "some jurors tried to rescind", but the cited text says "the judge wanted to reconsider". The article will need to be revised too, of course. Unless I have missed something? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:06, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you're totally right! I'll amend the DYK and the article. —Wingedserif (talk) 12:20, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: More revision needed: you have written "to rescind", the source says "to reconsider" (which we know means rescind but an RS would have to make that call). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what the best way to reconcile would be. There are many sources that refer to Bannister's description of receiving the award from the judge. And then a few other sources mention a separate attempt by jurors, or exhibition officials, to rescind the award (eg, "In attempting to claim his award, Bannister was met with overt discrimination from exhibition patrons and officials, who only recanted their insensitive remarks when he revealed his identity as prizewinner. The backlash continued in the aftermath of his win, when Exhibition affiliates attempted, but failed, to revoke his medal on the grounds of his race alone." , pp. 21–22) —Wingedserif (talk) 13:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I preferred the original text so where we got derailed was the particular citation you provided: I think that the DYK 'hook' is less eye-catching if it just says 'reconsider'. So why not use the RWU citation? (If a thesis fails the RS test(?), does it cite a source that is ok?.)  --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked into the thesis citation, and the citation I quoted above goes back to a 1985 Smithsonian museum publication (). It's probably not an entirely bulletproof source, since some of the entries describe it as a "brochure", although it's ~120 pages long. I think it should be OK for DYK purposes? How does this sound as a replacement for the end of the first hook? "[...] exhibition officials unsuccessfully tried to rescind his award when they realised that he was an African-American?" —Wingedserif (talk) 18:00, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Did you know nomination

message: For the FAC, I found a recently published MSN article that seems to have taken its line of research/reference from this Wiki article. As a note to other editors, it should be avoided as a source in the future, to prevent circular reporting. —Wingedserif (talk) 12:03, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: MSN source note

message: This is half a note to self to see if the "Ann Eliza" of Bannister's art club years was in fact Ann Eliza Hammond. Have not found a source to support it. —Wingedserif (talk) 14:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Ann Eliza Club identification

message: I was struck by the footnote "The location of Under the Oaks is unknown. It was sold to a "Mr. Duffe" of Boston for $1500, after the Centennial Exposition." I wonder if it would be possible without bogging down the article in detail, to observe that this was a very tidy sum: about $ in 2020 prices, using CPI. (I guess that should be about $360,000 using recent fine art prices as an index :-D but I don't know of any such published index.) The main point is that $1500 would have been a lot of money back then to an 'unfashionable' artist.
To qualify for FA, you have to specify the end date in the inflation template. In 'ordinary' articles it is usually omitted and the most recent data is used automatically.
If it doesn't go in easily, don't stress over it. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inflation ''(Under the Oaks)'' 

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