Talk:Holland Tunnel

message: First off, tolls are draconian- restricting travel. What happens when you pass through and can't pay the toll?
-G  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.152.136 (talk) 05:50, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you stop at a collector they call over the cops who point you away. If you just drive through and the cops catch you there's a ticket with your name on it. If you drive through and don't get caught they send you a bill in the mail (all lanes have E-Zpass with cameras to catch evaders). And if you don't pay that then you get fines attached and lead to registration suspension for locals. As far as I know they can't do much if you aren't from NY or NJ. They just take the loss. Although if you come back they could be waiting for you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.195.3.64 (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What if you can't pay the toll?

message: The article mentions that the 50 cent toll was originally enstated to repay the cost to build the tunnel, which makes sense, but it leaves me completely baffeled as to why the toll persists to this day, and so high (6$). According to the article, 33 million vehicles passed the tunnel in 2005; If we assume this counted return trip twice, then we have about 16 million "NJ to NY" tolled trips, or a total income of about 100 million dollars in 2005. If the tunnel makes $100M every year, and according to the article the total cost to maintain it since it was built was just $500M, then obviously a lot of money is being made. Why? By whom? Is this considered acceptable by NJ commuters (who I guess are the ones who are paying these charges)? I think the article should mention some of these issues.
Nyh 09:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot major roads are said to have tolls "to repay construction costs" but never go away. They make way too much money for the local governments (or PANYNJ in this case) and the upkeep of those places cost a lot as well. I imagine a 90-year-old tunnel under the river requires plenty of maintenance among other services the PANYNJ provides (emergency, toll collection, etc). A big LOL to the $6 dollar complaint since it is $15 in 2018 but as the above stated the toll is basically the same given inflation. The calc I used said that $6 in '07 was half price... what a rip!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.195.3.64 (talk) 16:13, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toll 

message: According to the Port Authority's website, "Holland dies suddenly in 1927, of apparent exhaustion, on the eve of the day workers from the New York and New Jersey sides are to meet in the middle (a process called "holing through")."
According to Holland's remaining surviving daughter (who died 17 September 2013), he died of a heart attack on the operating table while undergoing a tonsillectomy (personal communication).
Clifford Holland was born on March 13th 1883 in Somerset, Massachusetts, the only child of Lydia Frances Hood and Edward John Holland.  He attended Harvard University in the fall of 1902, received a degree of A.B. in 1905, and S.B in Civil Engineering in 1906.  According to an article written about him in 1925, the work and stress of the tunnel project over-taxed him and his strength failed him. His health became poor, which necessitated complete rest.  
The Harvard Class of '06 25th Anniversary Report states that he died at the Battle Creek Sanitarium in Battle Creek, MI of Angina Pectoris.  It states he went to the sanitatium "on the advice of his physicians because he seemed to be suffering severely from disordered nerves and an attack of nervous prostration was imminent.  Careful diagnosis of his condition and treatment was being given when he died suddenly from angina."
According to Clifford Holland's Official Death Certificate, he died on the 27th of October, 1924 in Battle Creek, MI of Angina Pectoris. The Marshall Office has all death records pre-1969.   They can be reached at (269)781 0718.
Are there any surviving descendants?76.19.191.205 01:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of Holland's Death 

message: Would anyone mind if I substituted  with ? --Chris 19:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of Hudson template 

message: Template:NYC Hudson River crossings has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:NYC Hudson River crossings. Thank you. --Chris 16:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Judging from the color of the link (brown), I'd say your nomination succeeded. 68.32.48.42 03:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:NYC Hudson River crossings 

message: I have been wondering for ages which state owns most of the Holland Tunnel.  I always thought New Jersey owned the most because after crossing the state line into NY it always seems to take a short amount of time to exit the tunnel. (I commute frequently)
--Bennyp77 01:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the NJ side of the tubes are longer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.195.3.64 (talk) 15:52, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Side is Longer? 

message: The intro from the TV series The Sopranos don't start to get out of this tunnel?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Folio (talk • contribs) 03:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Soprano 

message: St john's Rotaryis the name of the circular road at the end of the end of the eastbound tube. Have edited article with references to reflect this. There is no need or room for a lot of history about previous uses of the land, which are better covered in an article about the rotary itself.Djflem (talk) 23:46, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no evidence to support this contention.  At Talk:St. John's Park, this editor was asked to provide supporting citations from reliable sources after he moved St. John's Park to "St. John's Rotary".  He has so far provided none, and for this reason the name should not be used here until it can be supported.  I have removed it. BMK (talk) 23:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  St John's Rotary 

message: Extensive coverage of ventilation system in article justifies showing two different towers. If one image is chosen should be contemporary image that also accents fact that Holland Tunnel is River crossing.Hudconja (talk) 12:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've combined both images. BMK (talk) 20:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vent Tower image 

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message: In the History section, at the end of the third paragraph is the sentence: 
"Promotional materials compared the diameter and capacity of the proposed tunnel with the smaller-diameter railroad tunnels." 
It seems like a total non-sequitor, just exactly what does this mean and what is it attempting to say, and why is it there?  Would these be Holland's promotional materials? Just what kind of materials are these, brochures? And it is without citation, there is no reference supporting this statement, even if it did make sense.
Would the editor please either re-write this sentence to have a relevant English language meaning in context, or else eliminate it from the paragraph? Thank you. 
2601:342:0:E3D0:687A:10FE:3726:ED3B (talk) 20:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Surprised this image isn't in the commons... https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/02/28/nyregion/28TUNNEL2/28TUNNEL2-superJumbo.jpg or check out https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/nyregion/books-explore-architecture-and-atmosphere-of-new-york.html But I see why the sentence may seem weird or out of place.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.195.3.64 (talk) 15:50, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this supposed to mean? 

message: The description section gives the depth of the tunnel below the MHW (mean high water) level just fine, but it fails to say at any point how deep into he silt the tunnel lies. Even an approximate measurement would be appreciated here. Is the tunnel covered by 10 feet of silt or by 200 feet of silt? How deep under the river bottom is the top of the tunnel? How deep are dredges allowed to dredge over the tunnel? If a ship with a deep draft were to plow up the bottom, at what  point would the tunnel encounter trouble? This information should generally be available and should be known to those who maintain the river and tunnel and should be included in this article. Please include this serious omission. Thank you. 2601:342:0:E3D0:687A:10FE:3726:ED3B (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure why you think it's so important but... According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_River the river is 30' deep along this stretch but other Googled sources say 32'. And let's say the roadway is 15' below the top of the tunnel, so 93 - 32 - 15 = 46' of silt sitting above the tunnel. And if you are worried about a ship somehow hitting it, the 32' depth alone keeps large ships at bay. Even if the tunnel was completely uncovered it would sit 78' below the water. Only the largest ships in the world would be at risk of collision. Newer/larger container ships have drafts of 50' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship) and the largest cruise ships are only 30' below the water.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.195.3.64 (talk) 15:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to the same conclusion as IP user 73.195.3.64, using the same google sources. I do also agree that this is not a "serious" omission. There is at least 20 feet of silt between the river bed and the tunnels, even if the river is 60 feet deep (which is the case for the East River). This information is not interesting to the general public, hence it is not that serious of an issue, but if there is a source that states the depth of the river at this point, then feel free to add it. epicgenius (talk) 02:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inadequate description 

message: The article says "The Holland Tunnel is a vehicular tunnel under the Hudson River"
But in the map ( :File:Holland Tunnel.svg ) the red-highlighted section is at East River. --87.15.151.110 (talk) 21:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure you've got that wrong and that Manhattan is on the right in that map. DonIago (talk) 02:06, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hudson River or Est River?