Talk:1967 Indianapolis 500

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NOTE: The revolutionary #40 STP Turbine in the photo taken in the Speedway Museum is actually a replica built from the blueprints (as is the replica of Parnelli Jones' 1963 #98 Indy 500-winning car): The actual #40 is in the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History.
There is no supporting evidence that a replica of the 1967 Turbine was ever built and displayed at the IMS Museum for a time. That account appears to be a mix-up of the situation of the 1969 winning car. Granatelli may have simply misspoken, or was misunderstood. The 1969 winning car on display at the IMS Museum is and was a replica 'built from the original blueprints', while the actual original is owned by the Smithsonian (while some accounts claim the real 1969 winner was wrecked at Dover). The 1967 Turbine is owned by the Smithsonian, but for a time, was loaned to and was on display at the IMS Museum. It is not longer there, and has not been there for several years. Furthermore, the Turbine was notably displayed at IMS without its engine cowling, which was through to be lost, until it was found in an office in 2007 at the Smithsonian Doctorindy↔Talk 16:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that while I'm not doubting that you indeed had these conversations, since they are not recorded anywhere, they are not reliable sources for Wikipedia purposes. That is, there's no permanent record of those conversations that one could access to verify, and even if you wrote it down, it would only be a self-published work, which are not considered reliable sources. Indyguy (talk) 19:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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message: The 1963 Indy 500 winning car #98 in the Speedway Museum is indeed a replica: My late ex-FIL Jack Friedman was a mechanic on it; and when he visited Rufus about 20 years ago in California, he told Jack the one in his collection is the original, and the one in the Speedway Museum is a replica, as Jack recounted to me in 2007. He (Rufus) is still alive at age 88, and you can ask him yourself.
As for the #40 replica issue, at the 2003 500 public driver's meeting I covered for the (since ceased) RaceFax Dot Com, edited and published by Forrest Bond, I asked Andy Granatelli—who was seated in the front row next to Dennis Miller— about this, and he confirmed to me this too is a replica. As a former racing journalist, I can only go by what came out of his mouth; though at the time I didn't believe it was noteworthy to submit to my editor. 
Incidentally, our family seats from 1967 to 2008 were in Paddock Box 10, Row J, seats 1, 2, 3, & 4; and it was in 1973 Graham McRae's pit crewman Armando Teran was killed directly in front of me (video): That year, all 3 of Andy Granatelli's cars, driven by winner Gordon Johncock, Swede Savage (died 33 days later), as well as McRae all pitted together in front of us. Watching a man get killed in front of me was pretty heady to take in as a 12-year-old. Dan Schwartz --Discpad (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that while I'm not doubting that you indeed had these conversations, since they are not recorded anywhere, they are not reliable sources for Wikipedia purposes. That is, there's no permanent record of those conversations that one could access to verify, and even if you wrote it down, it would only be a self-published work, which are not considered reliable sources. Indyguy (talk) 19:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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