Talk:2004 Osama bin Laden video

message: It looks like the section was fixed in the time it took me to edit the page.  However, it was very strong anti-Bush, with a LOT of raving against Bush/Blair.
What are you apologists for the war criminal/master terrorist Bush?
: Well I'm not, but this is an encyclopedia, not a soapbox. Evercat 18:32, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: What Bush distortions do we print "as fact"? Evercat 18:43, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: What Kofi Annan has said is indeed mentioned at 2003 Invasion of Iraq, where it's relevant. Evercat 18:43, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: Of course they're not; this is an article about a videotape. Evercat 18:49, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: See Also section

message: The translation should be properly attributed, so the validity of the source can be judged by the reader.  This segment is from Al Jazeera I think.  If someone could find the translator, or at least find proper wiki in-text citation...? —Daelin 22:05, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Attribute Translation

message: I changed the first sentence from bin Laden claiming responsibility for September 11th attacks to his condemnation of Bush's response and reasoning for the attack. I think that much better represents the video's content.
:The fact that he admits responsibility is a huge deal.  I'm putting it back. VeryVerily 22:24, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  The message is principally bin Laden criticizing Bush and explaining motivation for the attacks. Bin Laden spends four paragraphs on Lebanon. And speaking of Bush, bin Laden alleges nepotism, fraud, dictatorship, etc. To say that the most important thing about this article is that the man the entire Western press has considered responsibile for the September 11th attacks has said he's responsible for it is ridiculous and an American POV reading into what you want rather than independent representation of the author's text. (119's text, my mistake not being logged in). --119 22:44, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: First Sentence

message: I just saw an article on CNN about how bin Laden's offer of peace was made not against nation-states, but for each U. S. state.  Can someone more learned than I clarify?
--cuiusquemodi 22:45, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: "ay wilaya"

message: It is POV to describe 1982 as a US invasion of Lebanon. The US was there as a part of a UN mission with France for God's sake. Tfine80 20:28, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: POV Lebanon

message: I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all, but the guy in the video is a short faced chubby guy. He doesn't look like bin laden at all except for the beard and hat. I'm not saying bush made a fake, it could be al queda itself using a doppleganger, but its something that has been addressed a few times with a few tapes. Just a thought for adding to the article.
:Take a look a the morphing photo at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape2.html -- it's hard to dismiss the idea that this is a fake video entirely when you can see the problems with your own eyes. --12.15.238.50 18:00, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Being a "conspiracy theorist" is okay.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.72.109.155 (talk) 23:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Is that really him?=

message: Someone added a bizarre aside about the Kandahar tape, which I excised.  To note, whoever added it seemed to misunderstand the wording "Bin Laden's first public acknowledgement".  Clearly, the Kandahar tape, if even conclusive, was not a public acknowledgment.--Jaurisova6 14:52, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert

message: This is an article about a "2004 Osama bin Laden Video". What video? Is there a copy of the video we can download? Is there video from Al Jazeera? What physical evidence is there?
TruthSeeker1234 17:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the link on the page: .  Not sure if that's what you are looking for?--Bill 22:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It is a video and plays on Windows Media Player, but as you pointed out, its only 5:38 long.--Bill 23:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I thought I heard someone in the background say, "Pull it!" in Estonian. Anybody else hear that? Tom Harrison Talk 13:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The wall in the background is beige. That's the same color as the walls in the Abu-Ghraib pictures.--DCAnderson 16:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What Video?

message: I just added a referenced 'criticisms of the tape' section, and it was almost immediately deleted, with the person responsible User:Tom_harrison quite clearly lying on the page history section, and claiming it was 'original research.' Is a quote from Walker Cronkite on CNN Larry King Live 'original research'? I will be putting an NPOV tag on the page, and will seek moderator arbitration if I am not allowed to cite CNN transcripts from notable public figures. I might also note that the tape itself is not referenced, coming from an unknown anonymous origin, unlike the CNN transcript. Timharwoodx 17:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatreallyhappened.com is not a reliable source for anything but what its operator thinks. "It is disputed whether the tape was real, or a political stunt from the Republican party, designed to secure the re-election of George Bush." Besides lack of attribution, this gives undue weight to a fringe view. "It was too convenient. The timing seemed designed to offer maximum advantage to George Bush just before the election." This sounds like it is being presented as a matter of objective fact, rather than as the opinion of a fringe minority. To the extent the material recently added is supported by any citations at all, it is original research: a synthesis of opinion and factoids that serves to advance a conspiracy theory. Tom Harrison Talk 17:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I didn't see the bold letters in the CNN transcript. How did you decide which part to emphasize? Tom Harrison Talk 18:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Becuase thats the part which is the 'criticism of the tape.' Obvious, I would have thought, but I don't mind if you want to remove the bold. Timharwoodx 18:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: Changing...
:"The video is reported to be 18 minutes in length, although bin Laden only speaks for 14 minutes 39 seconds [1] and only short excerpts of it have been broadcast so far. However, Al Jazeera released a transcript of the complete tape on November 1, 2004" to "The video is reported to be 18 minutes in length; Osama bin Laden speaks for 14 minutes 39 seconds.  Al Jazeera released a transcript of the complete tape on November 1, 2004. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Slipgrid (talk • contribs) 20:59, August 22, 2006.
*Partially on-topic, I do wish that Aljazeera would specify who actually did translations of their English transitions.
:Original text (from transcript mentioned above 
:Translated to English text of same text 
:I am in the process of compiling links on a sub-user page for a user-page reference for transcripts/videos of OBL (contested or not) and would appreciate additions of such links to my talk page so I can add them to a sub-page soon.  I would also be adding notes about the actual length of OBL's inclusion in those videos/transcripts.
:I am adding a talk page section at the bottom of my TALK for contributions.
:::Thanks in advance and thank you for your contributions, -- That Guy, From That Show! 02:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean Up

message: It's been eight years, and the authenticity of the tape has not been included in this article. There should be viewpoints on this. --George Ho (talk) 12:43, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authenticity of the tape