Talk:Creation and evolution in public education

message: There may be some convention on this so I haven't done an edit, but why, if Turkey is in Europe, is Russia in Asia?  Especially considering that the only piece in the Russia section is about St. Petersburg...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.11.124.48 (talk) 19:32, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography... 

message: An article was brought up in Talk:Objections to evolution. It speaks to evolutions acceptance among those educated / exposed to it. - RoyBoy 16:16, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ten countries poll, sciences education 

message: This is only a blog, but there might be reliable sources out there.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20052007-501465.html
Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creationists notch big win in Tennessee 

message: Regarding this edit, reverted by Orangemarlin, I agree that the Louisiana section warrants attention. While 75.50.99.94 removed the section for alleged POV issues, my concern is that the section has no citation and appears to be unsourced. I don't see a POV issue with the claim as written, so long as it is supported and appropriately channels the source's POV. If it's a state bill then surely it has been discussed by mainstream or otherwise notable sources. If no source can be identified, that section needs to be removed on grounds of original research, no matter the degree of its neutrality. If I find time, I will help look for one to use. John Shandy` • talk 05:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A far-more-detailed treatment, with sources, is given at Academic Freedom bills#Louisiana act. As far as I can see it covers all the material covered here. I'm placing a  tag referencing that article. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louisiana section unsourced 

message: Regarding this edit which reverted an IP's addition of theistic evolution, I think there is confusion on part of Charlesdrakew. I don't think the IP was intending to give an example of a religion that accepts evolution, but was meaning to introduce theistic evolution because, as the article reads "While some religions do not have theological objections to the modern evolutionary synthesis as an explanation for the present form of life on Earth...", it is true that some religions (e.g. the Catholic Church, per Pope John Paul II#Evolution & Catholic Church and evolution) have accepted evolution by Darwinian natural selection. This would be a notable point to add to that paragraph, and wikilinking to theistic evolution as well would be appropriate. We can add the references from the articles I've mentioned here and cite them in this article. John Shandy` • talk 13:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theistic evolution 

message: The section Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education#Russia appears to be a good bit out of date, I assume the lawsuit would be over by now. If someone can read russian it might be easier for them to find more up to the date sources (I couldn't find anything in English). IRWolfie- (talk) 11:55, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  God vs. Darwin lawsuit Russia 

message: #I would question whether www.breakingchristiannews.com is sufficiently reliable a source that it can be used beyond the constraints of WP:ABOUTSELF.
#I fail to see how an article from the Evangelical Church in Germany's own website is a secondary source on an Evangelical Church in Germany conference.
#I continue to have concerns over how having two full sections based entirely on primary sources complies with WP:PSTS, or is needed.
I have raised these concerns on WP:RSN. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I post a couple of links about evolution education in different countries here for future use and to give other editors a chance to object if they consider them unreliable or undue, before I add any text to the article: 
http://harvard.academia.edu/EBurton/Papers/902459/Evolution_Education_in_Muslim_States_Iran_and_Saudi_Arabia_Compared
http://www.labtimes.org/labtimes/issues/lt2009/lt01/lt_2009_01_28_29.pdf
Sjö (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links mostly about Muslim countries 

message: With the power that the Texas school board has to determine which books will likely enter into schools outside of Texas, shouldn't there be more said about the members current political stances. For example, "I reject the notion by the left of a constitutional separation of church and state" (David Bradley, Texas State Board of Education).
-http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html?_r=0
Also, there seems to be no mention of the Dover trial. It could easily link to the existing page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.250.187 (talk) 03:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Texas' Impact and the Dover Trial 

message: Is creationism taught in public schools in Virginia? I am writing a paper and can't find any information on it. Football1607 (talk) 14:49, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal in VA? 

message: See basically done discussion here Jytdog (talk) 04:13, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  smithsonian EL 

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message: Why does the Life Timeline chart show Flowers as occurring more recently than Mammals?  Shouldn't this be Primates? Musanim (talk) 19:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is correct. Flowers are recent. Check out the relevant articles.Charles (talk) 21:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. You're right. Thanks, Charles. I assumed that flowers went as far back as bees, but I now see I was wrong.  Amazing.  Musanim (talk) 21:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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message: So, it seems teaching evolution in Romania was quietly discontinued around 2006-07, shortly reintroduced for 2 semesters in more vague and general terms and then dropped again, at least according to the Romanian wiki  . It's also relevant, that even in the year it survived, it was seemingly taught only in upper school any more (people drop out earlier or go on to the second educational track in significant amounts so the effect is higher in RO than it would be in any other Western country). 
I was not able to find any good source to confirm (googled the big news outlets looked for key terms in politician's tweets; repeated for key terms in Romanian, French, German -- nada. The two sources in the article seem "legit", no idea how well those sites monitor journalistic standards). Probably somebody actually has to go through the education ministry's (mostly offline?) archive to confirm when and what exactly was being taught. Who did separation of church and education ever work well for... /s LlllllllIl (talk) 19:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romania & evolution 

message: Hey, I think Wikipedia may be lacking an important page, namely a page on efforts to include teaching the Bible in public schools in the USA. Here's the page of a representative who has put forth a bill in Florida to implement such classes: Kimberly Daniels. It is an interesting topic. In an ideal world, I would personally support having this kind of class, but my guess is that such classes would become preaching classes & an automatic A if you put in a little work (that's where my bias would lead me). Is there any page that I can add information about "The Bible in public education"? Geographyinitiative (talk) 02:04, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teaching the Bible in public schools