Talk:Averroes

message: I suggest you use reliable source for the ethnicity of this scholar, especially since this article is a good article. The source you tried to cite is all but reliable, take a look at the authors' competences.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 00:33, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I have already responded in the above section.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 00:36, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Me too.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 00:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I have responded to your vague response.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 00:46, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: Given that the subject is a pretty famous person, I'm sure he has a lot of nicknames given by various other authors. "The Commentator" is a bit special because that often substitute his own name in Latin writings, and in those writing the large part of his reputation comes from him being the guy who wrote those commentaries. See Averroes#In_Latin_tradition for explanation and sources. For that I believe it deserve mention in the lead without any attribution. But as for other titles and nicknames, in my opinion, if they are relevant they should at most be mentioned in the body, and with attribution who said it (e.g. Historian XXX calls Averroes YYY). In addition, we should only add them to the lead if we have some evidence that it is widespread. Otherwise we'll end up adding dozens of nicknames in the lead, which I don't think will be great for its conciseness. HaEr48 (talk) 17:33, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood thanks.--Relaxwikis (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname and titles  

message: This is just a quick question: Is there any clear linguistic/historical research on how "Ibn Rushd" -> "Averroes"? I understand that "Ibn" often became "Aben" or "Aven" in Spain at the time, but I'm confused how "Rushd" was transmogrified into "-rroes." If anyone has any info, that'd be great!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 19:37, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I don't have sources but just to speculate, Cluster reduction is pretty common (especially if the same cluster does not exist in the target language) so the losing of the d is not unexpected, and if the 'sh' [ʃ] sound does not appear in standard Spanish or Latin so it's not surprising either for it to be simplified to 's'. HaEr48 (talk) 21:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latinization of Name 

message: I would like to add to the article in light of some academic studies on the link between Ibn Rushd and Ibn Taymiyyah. I think the Islamic influences section is lazily written, it sounds like no Muslim took Ibn Rushd seriously, when in fact major theologians like Ibn Taymiyyah did, and quoted from his Tahafut al-Tahafut. The impact of Ibn Taymiyyah on modern Sunni Islam cannot be understated - hence the narrative of a "disregarding" of Ibn Rushd and his intellectual legacy in the Muslim world should not be foisted on readers.
Here are some sources I may use:
* Janssens, Jules. "Ibn Taymiyya on Ibn Rushd in the Darʾ taʿārud․ al-ʿaql wa-l-naql (with Special Attention to His Quotations of Ibn Rushd's Tahāfut al-tahāfut)." Contextualizing Premodern Philosophy. Routledge, 2023. 147-178.
* Hoover, Jon. "Ibn Taymiyya’s Use of Ibn Rushd to Refute the Incorporealism of Fakhr al-Dıˉn al-Raˉzıˉ." Islamic Philosophy from the 12th to the 14th Century (2018): 469-91.
* Lalahwa, Illa Fadhliya, Agus Gunawan, and Muhajir Muhajir. "The Relationship between Religion and Reason in the Context of Islamic Education Philosophy from the Perspective of Ibn Rushd and Ibn Taimiyah." Al-Jadwa: Jurnal Studi Islam 3.2 (2024): 111-119.
(contribs) אב דהן (talkpage) 17:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ibn Taymiyyah - Ibn Rushd Link sources