Talk:National Party (South Africa)

message: Sources on the Internet claim that it was the "South African Party", and not the Labour party.
Smuts' party was originally the SAP then it merged with the original NP, and this was called the United Party, or 'UP' Shizzel 16:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What was the name of Smuts' party? 

message: This looks a similar situation to Sinn Féin with the party dividing at one stage with what is effectively a breakaway rump carrying on the name into later years. See also Liberal Party (UK, 1989) for another party that claims to be a continuation of one that went into a merger, but is legally a different entity. Is it really fair to say there was a single National Party from 1914-2005 or was the 1934 entity a new party of refuseniks? Timrollpickering 11:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One party or more 

message: Why isn't J.B.M. Hertzog listed as a leader of the National Party? Please correct the list. --Discott 20:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaders 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:NPsouthafrica.jpg

message: Should we start a new article for the National Party which relaunched itself on the 5 August 2008?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasabigreen (talk • contribs) 15:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not yet... at the moment the so-called "relaunch" sounds like not much more than a publicity stunt, and I'm not even sure it deserves a mention as a footnote on the page about the NP. However, time will tell whether the new party proves notable or not. Zaian (talk) 19:02, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please check their website out, they were registered with the IEC a week ago. Wasabigreen (talk) 14:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure, but anyone can create a website and register with the IEC. It doesn't prove they are a significant party deserving their own article... yet. Zaian (talk) 14:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  A new article was created a while ago under National Party South Africa (their registered name) probably to resolve a redlink the the South African general election, 2009 article.  They seem to have gone through some leadership squabbles, but still have candidates registered for the 2011 elections. — Gk sa (talk) 19:40, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: THE PARTY HAS BEEN RELAUNCHED

message: According to this article the National Party was disbanded in 2005, but then there is another article about the New National Party. Should the latter be considered a direct continuation of the National Party or as a new party? The fact that there exists two articles suggests that it is two different parties, but the article about the National Party said that this party was disbanded in 2005, suggesting that the New National Party is a direct continuation. This is a bit confusing to me. --Oddeivind (talk) 14:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The same party? 

message: Currently this article, Herenigde Nasionale Party and New National Party (South Africa) are inconsistent about whether the different names represent formally different parties or merely a single party that went through rebranding, especially when absorbing smaller groups. Curiously the 1934 split (where there is scope for debate over whether the continuity flows into the United Party or remains with Malan's rump, and for that matter whether Hertzog unmerged out of the United Party in 1939 or was just a breakaway) hasn't yet spawned confusing articles.
"Herenigde Nasionale Party" and "New National Party" look as though they were just rebrandings rather than formally different bodies, though I acknowledge that historically a lot of parties in the Commonwealth were not arranged in a way that makes this an easy distinction. It seems logical to have a single article on the party (with maybe break-outs for individual sections of the history if it gets too long), not multiple articles saying different things. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose first proposal. Support second proposal. This is two separate proposals to merge (1) the Herenigde Nasionale Party and (2) the New National Party into this article. I Oppose merging Herenigde Nasionale Party on the grounds that it was created by an actual change in the organisation and structure in that two separate organisations merged to create it. I Support merging New National Party into this article because in this case it really was just a rebranding in a (rather weak) attempt to distance itself from it's own Apartheid past. The rebranding had no significant effect on the organisational structure of the party. Roger (talk) 07:06, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I am suggesting this be removed as the party's political ideologies but I do not expect it to be removed. I base this on the fact the the National Party was for the most part a union between "whites and colored" and that fact alone is not in keeping with "White Supremacy". Also, Indians were more included in the National Party than blacks. If it is disagreeable to remove White Supremacy then perhaps we could change it to anti-black, or something like that because that represents the true form of the national party. The national party would often include colored and Indians to keep control.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.110.66 (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are joking, aren't you? The National Party was expressly dedicated to a whites-only system of government. Not only that, but *every single prime minister and president* of South Africa prior to De Klerk had been involved with (and almost without exception, convicted for being involved with) pro-nazi activities, including murder, during WWII. 82.176.204.198 (talk) 13:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  White Supremacy 

message: I can't find anywhere what the party's economic policies were.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fartnut (talk • contribs) 02:55, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What were the party's stances on economics?  

message: Maoowwuuurunwuuuzhe, why are you removing white supremacy as an ideology? Gooduserdude (talk) 15:09, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: @Gooduserdude Perhaps there is a misunderstanding, I did not remove anything nor contribute anything to the ideology section, i just corrected the flag size and then all of a sudden, you accused my edit as "Vandalism", Please see (WP:VANDAL), it's quite far isnt it? ,also it might have been some other editors before me who edited it and i didnt look carefully enough, in a sense, it is my fault for not correcting it respectivelly. 東霄長熊 (talk) 10:27, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @東霄長熊 ok i understand, sorry this was a misunderstanding, i must have confused someone else user edit with yours Gooduserdude (talk) 17:50, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not know what is the reason for you to take back your statement, but i think it is best to keep it here. anyhow there is no point on discussing this even further. 東霄長熊 (talk) 10:27, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  White Supremacy Removed ?