Talk:Artiodactyl

message: Does anyone else think the info on what is/isn't considered Kosher doesn't belong on this page? -- stewacide 05:36, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: But add quotation marks and/ or mention "hallal" as well at least! Wikipedia, pretending to be neutral, cannot allow such a statement which could all to easily be explained as Jewish-coloured (or coloured by any culture, to be sure), can it?--Caesarion 09:57, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Sorry, now that I read the line better I see that the first sentence is relativated by the following --Caesarion 10:00, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Kosher?

message: The article lists hippos as closest to pigs, but according to Richard Dawkins in The Ancestor's Tale the closest relatives to the hippos are the whales (he refers to post-2000 molecular research). Given that this hypothesis is quite young I could understand it not being the accepted relationship, but does anyone know enough about it to mention it? I ask this here instead of at hippopotamus because this is where the family tree is presented. —Rory ☺ 22:30, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)
: Yes, and by now fossil evidence that supports this theory has been found, too. (Origin of Whales from Early Artiodactyls: Hands and Feet of Eocene Protocetidae from Pakistan. Philip D. Gingerich, Munir ul Haq, Iyad S. Zalmout, Intizar Hussain Khan, and M. Sadiq Malkan. Science 21 September 2001; 293: 2239-2242.) Both DNA and fossils pointing in one direction -- seems like it's time to update the taxonomy. --Chl 16:30, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not how any of this works. Even-toed ungulates was just the common name for Artiodactyla because all members had an even number of toes. Cetacea was then subsumed under Artiodactyla, so they are not "ungulates" in the strict sense but they are in fact artiodactylans and are discussed on this page   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  17:23, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whales? 

message: Since the Artiodactyla as traditionally composed is paraphyletic, because it excludes cetaceans, future authors will be inclined to throw the Artiodactyla into the "laundry basket" by using the name Cetartiodactyla to include land-living artiodactyls and cetaceans. The phrase "laundry basket" means a bunch of paraphyletic or polyphyletic assemblages.
:The other option is to recognize Artiodactyla as the name of the clade instead of Cetartiodactyla, since the Cetacea is just one (successful) group that arose within that clade of artiodactyls.  There are precedents for both approaches. Cephal-odd 19:42, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demise of the Artiodactyla 

message: The family †Agriochoeridae is still unlisted, and therefore in red, but the Genus †Agriochoerus does have an entry. Is there a way to place †Agriochoeridae in blue, but redirect to †Agriochoerus? That way a user can go directly to the article without having to "google it" like I had to do. User:retrograde62 22:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  †Agriochoeridae 

message: The article's introductory paragraph concludes with the phrase "...including many that are of great economic importance to humans." However, information to support this statement is absent from the article. Is this appropriate? --Cheers, Folajimi (leave a note) 13:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economic importance? 

message: Should Cetartiodactyla officially be put in as the superorder of Artiodactyla and Cetacea? Eli Falk 18:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, let's wait a couple of years. In any case, let's leave anything as controversial as this out of the taxoboxes for now... Fedor 09:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: EDIT: 1 yr later, I think that Cetartiodactyla should have whales and hippos and be placed in the Artiodactyls. -Walkingwith08 (talk) 16:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cetartiodactyla]] 

message: I removed the ungulate template for a couple reasons.  1) If we are going to use it, it has to actually be a template.  A template is updated from one central page in the template space, and then changes occur on all the pages.  If this template was on all the pages, and someone wanted to update it, they'd have to make the same edit dozens of times.  2) Classifying cetaceans as "ungulates" is not an uncontroversial assumption.  While most agree that they are descended from ungulates, it's not accurate to call them ungulates -- whales, after all, are not hooved.  If we want to include cetaceans I think the template has to be for the superorder certartiodactyls.  Remember ungulates is not an exclusively taxonomic term. --JayHenry 19:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ungulate template 

message: I'm going to be doing quite a bit of editing of this page today, so it'll probably go through various stages of readiness. Cheers, Jack (talk) 13:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes happening today 

message: :The international trade in beef for 2000 was over $30 billion and represented only 23 percent of world beef production.
Does this assert that 77% of world beef production is not traded internationally, suggesting that the total beef market is somewhere in the neighborhood of $130B? DRosenbach (Talk | Contribs) 02:21, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: What does this mean?

message: Since the lead section mentions "double-pulley structure", it would be useful if this was explained somewhere in the article, or if there was a link to an article that explained it.  Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 04:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "double-pulley structure" 

message: It is not obvious what the numbers on the cladogram mean.  Thanks.
The Letter J (talk) 11:18, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cladogram 

message: Also, are horses even-toed?  The article says they're odd-toed, but the cladogram lists equus.
The Letter J (talk) 11:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horses and related 

message: The Cetartiodactyla link at the bottom of the second paragraph leads right back to the Artiodactyla. Seems rather pointless! Perhaps the page should be changed to Cetartiodactyla as it's more scientifically correct, with artiodactyla redirecting to Cetartiodactyla rather than the other way round, and even toed ungulate leading to a page about the historical wastebasket group rather than the scientific information, similar to the pages for cetacea and whales (see the nomination for deletion for the 'whale' article.).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.73.39 (talk) 02:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Cetartiodactyla

message: The grammar in some parts of this article is terrible probably the stuff that's been translated from German it needs some cleaning up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.88.66.17 (talk) 05:50, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar

message: I've just done a severe trim of the lead. There should have not been stuff in there which wasn't summary of similar in the body, so I don't believe anything is lost - and it's certainly more readable. Snori (talk) 02:35, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Haircut

message: Please check the accuracy of my change. The previous "end arms" version was very odd, but I am no specialist, so may have misinterpreted Pecora. Snori (talk) 08:27, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Horns and antlers

message: I think we need a single approach to handle all taxoboxes of even-toed ungulates and whales. Looking at a few articles, I've seen the following options:
: Refer to order Artiodactyla as including a suborder Whippomorpha, which in turn has an infraorder Cetacea (whales) - for example, Baleen whale
: Refer to order Artiodactyla as a paraphyletic group, which excludes whales; Cetacea is an other order - for example, Rorqual
: Use the order name Cetartiodactyla; Cetacea is an unranked clade in this group - for example, Blue whale
I think we should move towards a more consistent standard for all articles referring to animals from this clade. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:44, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that we should try to be consistent.  If either Whippomorpha or Cetartiodactyla has become generally accepted within the scientific community we should use that.  If not we should use Artiodactyla as a paraphyletic group. Rlendog (talk) 18:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: We should only use natural groups in the taxoboxes. Otherwise we're misleading the reader into believing an invalid group is valid. FunkMonk (talk) 21:02, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: We use paraphyletic groups elsewhere (e.g Reptilia), we just mark them as paraphyletic (see Template:Automatic taxobox/doc/advanced#Paraphyly). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 02:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There are newer, monophyletic definitions of Reptilia, as our article states. So the taxobox disclaimer there seems to be inadequte... We should use newer, monophyletic definitions where possible. FunkMonk (talk) 07:03, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Artiodactyla and Cetartiodactyla are synonyms, so Order Cetartiodactyla, Suborder Whippomorpha, Infraorder Cetacea is a valid option   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  16:58, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxoboxes for even-toed ungulates and whales 

message: The article appears to state that there are no even-toed ungulates native to North America, which is so absurd I feel I must be missing something. Am I missing something? Nstgtr42 (talk) 04:24, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It says (and Bison clearly contradicts this) that there are currently no even-toed ungulates native to North America, although there used to be. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:47, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distribution and Habitat 

message: The “ † “ symbol appears 34 times in this article without any explanation or reference. If it is means something, let’s state clearly what the meaning is; otherwise, I think it should be stripped out.
, 
Poihths (talk) 00:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's shorthand for "extinct," as in the taxon it's in front of is extinct.--Mr Fink (talk) 02:03, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is it worth replacing them all with  so there is a tooltip, i.e. . The first one could (should?) be wikilinked.   Jts1882 | talk  09:07, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The “ † “ symbol 

message: The animal pictured in the taxobox is a rocky mountain elk, pictured mid-bugle, but the image hyperlinked to the Red Dear page. I edited it to be associated with the correct animal. Hope this isn't a problem!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingAelle (talk • contribs) 21:53, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elk 

message: Here's the table I made January 31 2023 for Artiodactyla species listed in Wikipedia (when searching from List of mammal genera, the linked genus pages from this page and the species page listed in the genus page).
Information on weight is not given in 66 species of the first table (Ruminantia, Suina and Tylopoda) and 24 species in the 2nd table (Whippomorpha) :
 Ruminantia, Suina and Tylopoda
Genus        	Scientific Name                                                                              	Common Name                  	Information on Weight (yes/no)
Lama         	glama                                                                                        	Llama                        	Yes
Lama         	guanicoe                                                                                     	Guanaco                      	Yes
Lama         	pacos                                                                                        	Alpaca                       	Yes
Lama         	vicugna                                                                                      	Vicuña                       	Yes
Camelus      	bactrianus                                                                                   	Bactrian Camel (Domestic)    	Yes
Camelus      	dromedarius                                                                                  	Dromedary                    	Yes
Camelus      	ferus                                                                                        	Wild Bactrian Camel          	No?
Babyrousa    	babyrussa                                                                                    	Buru babirusa                	Yes (only newborns)
Babyrousa    	bolabatuensis                                                                                	Bola Batu babirusa           	No
Babyrousa    	celebensis                                                                                   	North Sulawesi babirusa      	Yes
Babyrousa    	togeanensis                                                                                  	Togian babirusa              	No
Phacochoerus 	aethiopicus                                                                                  	Desert warthog               	Yes
Phacochoerus 	africanus                                                                                    	Common warthog               	Yes
Hylochoerus  	meinertzhageni                                                                               	Giant forest hog             	Yes
Potamochoerus	larvatus                                                                                     	Bushpig                      	Yes
Potamochoerus	porcus                                                                                       	Red river hog                	Yes
Sus          	ahoenobarbus                                                                                 	Palawan bearded pig          	Yes
Sus          	barbatus                                                                                     	Bornean bearded pig          	No
Sus          	cebifrons                                                                                    	Visayan warty pig            	No
Sus          	celebensis                                                                                   	Celebes warty pig            	No
Sus          	domesticus                                                                                   	Domestic pig                 	Yes
Sus          	oliveri                                                                                      	Mindoro warty pig            	No
Sus          	philippensis                                                                                 	Philippine warty pig         	No
Sus          	scrofa                                                                                       	Wild boar                    	Yes
Sus          	verrucosus                                                                                   	Javan warty pig              	Yes
Porcula      	salvania                                                                                     	Pygmy hog                    	Yes
Catagonus    	wagneri                                                                                      	Chacoan peccary              	No
Tayassu      	pecari                                                                                       	White-lipped peccary         	Yes
Dicotyles    	tajacu                                                                                       	Collared peccary             	Yes
Hyemoschus   	aquaticus                                                                                    	Water chevrotain             	Yes
Moschiola    	indica                                                                                       	Indian spotted chevrotain    	Yes
Moschiola    	kathygre                                                                                     	Yellow-striped chevrotain    	No
Moschiola    	meminna                                                                                      	Sri Lankan spotted chevrotain	No
Tragulus     	javanicus                                                                                    	Java mouse-deer              	Yes
Tragulus     	kanchil                                                                                      	Lesser mouse-deer            	Yes
Tragulus     	napu                                                                                         	Greater mouse-deer           	Yes
Tragulus     	nigricans                                                                                    	Philippine mouse-deer        	No
Tragulus     	versicolor                                                                                   	Vietnam mouse-deer           	No
Tragulus     	williamsoni                                                                                  	Williamson's mouse-deer      	No
Antilocapra  	americana                                                                                    	Pronghorn                    	Yes
Giraffa      	camelopardalis                                                                               	Northern giraffe             	Yes (Main giraffe page)
Giraffa      	antiquorum / c. antiquorum                                                                   	Kordofan giraffe             	No
Giraffa      	c. rothschildi / rothschildi                                                                 	Rothschild's giraffe         	Yes
Giraffa      	c. peralta / peralta                                                                         	West African giraffe         	No
Giraffa      	reticulata / c. reticulata                                                                   	Reticulated giraffe          	No
Giraffa      	c. or g. angolensis / angolensis                                                             	Angolan giraffe              	No
Giraffa      	giraffa                                                                                      	Southern giraffe             	No
Giraffa      	tippelskirchi / c. tippelskirchi                                                             	Masai giraffe                	Yes
Giraffa      	c. thornicrofti / tippelskirchi thornicrofti / c. tippelskirchi (thornicrofti) / thornicrofti	Thornicroft's giraffe        	No
Okapia       	johnstoni                                                                                    	Okapi                        	Yes
Hydropotes   	inermis                                                                                      	Water deer                   	Yes
Capreolus    	capreolus                                                                                    	European roe deer            	Yes
Capreolus    	pygargus                                                                                     	Siberian roe deer            	Yes
Alces        	alces                                                                                        	Moose                        	Yes
Rangifer     	tarandus                                                                                     	Caribou / Reindeer           	Yes
Odocoileus   	hemionus                                                                                     	Mule deer                    	Yes
Odocoileus   	pandora                                                                                      	Yucatan brown brocket        	No
Odocoileus   	virginianus                                                                                  	White-tailed deer            	Yes
Ozotoceros   	bezoarticus                                                                                  	Pampas deer                  	Yes
Blastocerus  	dichotomus                                                                                   	Marsh deer                   	Yes
Mazama       	americana                                                                                    	Red brocket                  	Yes
Mazama       	bororo                                                                                       	Small red brocket            	No
Mazama       	bricenii                                                                                     	Merida brocket               	No
Mazama       	chunyi                                                                                       	Dwarf brocket                	Yes
Mazama       	gouazoubira                                                                                  	Gray brocket                 	Yes
Mazama       	nana                                                                                         	Pygmy brocket                	Yes
Mazama       	nemorivaga                                                                                   	Amazonian brown brocket      	No
Mazama       	rufina                                                                                       	Little red brocket           	No
Mazama       	temama                                                                                       	Central American red brocket 	No
Mazama       	tienhoveni                                                                                   	Fair brocket                 	No
Hippocamelus 	antisensis                                                                                   	Taruca                       	Yes
Hippocamelus 	bisulcus                                                                                     	Huemul                       	Yes
Pudu         	mephistophiles                                                                               	Northern pudú                	Yes
Pudu         	puda                                                                                         	Southern pudú                	Yes
Rusa         	alfredi                                                                                      	Visayan spotted deer         	Yes
Rusa         	marianna                                                                                     	Philippine brown deer        	Yes
Rusa         	timorensis                                                                                   	Javan rusa                   	Yes
Rusa         	unicolor                                                                                     	Sambar                       	Yes
Rucervus     	duvaucelii                                                                                   	Barasingha                   	Yes
Rucervus     	eldii                                                                                        	Eld's deer                   	Yes
Rucervus     	schomburgki                                                                                  	Schomburgk's deer            	No
Dama         	dama                                                                                         	European fallow deer         	Yes
Dama         	mesopotamica                                                                                 	Persian fallow deer          	No
Axis         	axis                                                                                         	Chital / Axis deer           	Yes
Axis         	calamianensis                                                                                	Calamian deer                	Yes
Axis         	kuhlii                                                                                       	Bawean deer                  	No
Axis         	porcinus                                                                                     	Hog deer                     	Yes
Elaphodus    	cephalophus                                                                                  	Tufted deer                  	Yes
Elaphurus    	davidianus                                                                                   	Père David's deer            	Yes
Cervus       	albirostris                                                                                  	Thorold's deer               	Yes
Cervus       	canadensis                                                                                   	Wapiti                       	Yes
Cervus       	elaphus                                                                                      	Red deer                     	Yes
Cervus       	hanglu                                                                                       	Central Asian red deer       	No
Cervus       	nippon                                                                                       	Sika deer                    	Yes
Muntiacus    	muntjak                                                                                      	Indian muntjac               	Yes
Muntiacus    	reevesi                                                                                      	Reeves's muntjac             	Yes
Muntiacus    	atherodes                                                                                    	Bornean yellow muntjac       	No
Muntiacus    	crinifrons                                                                                   	Hairy-fronted muntjac        	No
Muntiacus    	feae                                                                                         	Fea's muntjac                	Yes
Muntiacus    	gongshanensis                                                                                	Gongshan muntjac             	No
Muntiacus    	malabaricus                                                                                  	Malabar red muntjac          	No (Page Inexistant)
Muntiacus    	montanus                                                                                     	Sumatran muntjac             	No
Muntiacus    	putaoensis                                                                                   	Leaf muntjac                 	Yes
Muntiacus    	puhoatensis                                                                                  	Pu Hoat muntjac              	No
Muntiacus    	rooseveltorum                                                                                	Roosevelt's muntjac          	No
Muntiacus    	truongsonensis                                                                               	Truong Son muntjac           	Yes
Muntiacus    	vuquangensis                                                                                 	Giant muntjac                	Yes
Muntiacus    	vaginalis                                                                                    	Northern red muntjac         	No (Page Inexistant)
Moschus      	moschiferus                                                                                  	Siberian musk deer           	Yes
Moschus      	anhuiensis                                                                                   	Anhui musk deer              	No
Moschus      	berezovskii                                                                                  	Dwarf musk deer              	No
Moschus      	fuscus                                                                                       	Black musk deer              	Yes
Moschus      	chrysogaster                                                                                 	Alpine musk deer             	No
Moschus      	cupreus                                                                                      	Kashmir musk deer            	No
Moschus      	leucogaster                                                                                  	White-bellied musk deer      	No
Pseudoryx    	nghetinhensis                                                                                	Saola                        	No
Bubalus      	bubalis                                                                                      	Domestic water buffalo       	Yes
Bubalus      	arnee                                                                                        	Wild water buffalo           	Yes
Bubalus      	depressicornis                                                                               	Lowland anoa                 	Yes
Bubalus      	mindorensis                                                                                  	Tamaraw                      	Yes
Bubalus      	quarlesi                                                                                     	Mountain anoa                	Yes
Syncerus     	caffer                                                                                       	Cape buffalo                 	Yes
Bison        	bison                                                                                        	American bison               	Yes
Bison        	bonasus                                                                                      	Wisent / European bison      	Yes
Bos          	taurus                                                                                       	Domestic cattle              	Yes
Bos          	t. indicus / indicus                                                                         	Zebu                         	No
Bos          	gaurus                                                                                       	Gaur                         	Yes
Bos          	frontalis                                                                                    	Gayal                        	No
Bos          	javanicus                                                                                    	Banteng                      	Yes
Bos          	mutus                                                                                        	Wild yak                     	Yes
Bos          	grunniens                                                                                    	Domestic yak                 	Yes
Bos          	sauveli                                                                                      	Kouprey                      	Yes
Boselaphus   	tragocamelus                                                                                 	Nilgai                       	Yes
Tetracerus   	quadricornis                                                                                 	Four-horned antelope         	Yes
Aepyceros    	melampus                                                                                     	Impala                       	Yes
Neotragus    	pygmaeus                                                                                     	Royal antelope               	Yes
Sylvicapra   	grimmia                                                                                      	Common duiker                	Yes
Philantomba  	maxwellii                                                                                    	Maxwell's duiker             	Yes
Philantomba  	monticola                                                                                    	Blue duiker                  	Yes
Philantomba  	walteri                                                                                      	Walter's duiker              	Yes
Cephalophus  	adersi                                                                                       	Aders's duiker               	Yes
Cephalophus  	brookei                                                                                      	Brooke's duiker              	No
Cephalophus  	callipygus                                                                                   	Peters's duiker              	Yes
Cephalophus  	crusalbum                                                                                    	White-legged duiker          	Yes
Cephalophus  	dorsalis                                                                                     	Bay duiker                   	Yes
Cephalophus  	jentinki                                                                                     	Jentink's duiker             	Yes
Cephalophus  	leucogaster                                                                                  	White-bellied duiker         	No
Cephalophus  	natalensis                                                                                   	Red duiker                   	Yes
Cephalophus  	niger                                                                                        	Black duiker                 	Yes
Cephalophus  	nigrifrons                                                                                   	Black-fronted duiker         	Yes
Cephalophus  	ogilbyi                                                                                      	Ogilby's duiker              	Yes
Cephalophus  	rubidus                                                                                      	Ruwenzori duiker             	Yes
Cephalophus  	rufilatus                                                                                    	Red-flanked duiker           	Yes
Cephalophus  	silvicultor                                                                                  	Yellow-backed duiker         	Yes
Cephalophus  	spadix                                                                                       	Abbott's duiker              	Yes
Cephalophus  	weynsi                                                                                       	Weyn's duiker                	Yes
Cephalophus  	zebra                                                                                        	Zebra duiker                 	Yes
Tragelaphus  	angasii                                                                                      	Lowland nyala                	Yes
Tragelaphus  	buxtoni                                                                                      	Mountain nyala               	Yes
Tragelaphus  	eurycerus                                                                                    	Bongo                        	Yes
Tragelaphus  	imberbis                                                                                     	Lesser kudu                  	Yes
Tragelaphus  	scriptus                                                                                     	Harnessed bushbuck           	No
Tragelaphus  	spekeii                                                                                      	Sitatunga                    	Yes
Tragelaphus  	strepsiceros                                                                                 	Greater kudu                 	Yes
Tragelaphus  	sylvaticus                                                                                   	Cape bushbuck                	Yes
Taurotragus  	derbianus                                                                                    	Giant eland                  	Yes
Taurotragus  	oryx                                                                                         	Common eland                 	Yes
Oreotragus   	oreotragus                                                                                   	Klipspringer                 	Yes
Ammodorcas   	clarkei                                                                                      	Dibatag                      	Yes
Antidorcas   	marsupialis                                                                                  	Springbok                    	Yes
Antilope     	cervicapra                                                                                   	Blackbuck                    	Yes
Eudorcas     	albonotata                                                                                   	Mongalla gazelle             	No
Eudorcas     	rufifrons                                                                                    	Red-fronted gazelle          	Yes
Eudorcas     	tilonura                                                                                     	Heuglin's gazelle            	Yes
Eudorcas     	rufina                                                                                       	Red gazelle                  	No
Eudorcas     	thomsonii                                                                                    	Thomson's gazelle            	Yes
Gazella      	arabica                                                                                      	Arabian gazelle              	No
Gazella      	cuvieri                                                                                      	Cuvier's gazelle             	Yes
Gazella      	dorcas                                                                                       	Dorcas gazelle               	Yes
Gazella      	subgutturosa                                                                                 	Goitered gazelle             	No
Gazella      	marica                                                                                       	Arabian sand gazelle         	No
Gazella      	bennettii                                                                                    	Chinkara                     	Yes
Gazella      	gazella                                                                                      	Mountain gazelle             	Yes
Gazella      	leptoceros                                                                                   	Rhim gazelle                 	No
Gazella      	spekei                                                                                       	Speke's gazelle              	No
Gazella      	erlangeri                                                                                    	Erlanger's gazelle           	No
Litocranius  	walleri                                                                                      	Gerenuk                      	Yes
Nanger       	dama                                                                                         	Dama gazelle                 	Yes
Nanger       	granti                                                                                       	Grant's gazelle              	Yes
Nanger       	soemmerringii                                                                                	Soemmerring's gazelle        	Yes
Procapra     	gutturosa                                                                                    	Mongolian gazelle            	Yes (newborns)
Procapra     	picticaudata                                                                                 	Tibetan gazelle              	Yes
Procapra     	przewalskii                                                                                  	Przewalskii's gazelle        	Yes
Saiga        	tatarica                                                                                     	Saiga                        	Yes
Dorcatragus  	megalotis                                                                                    	Beira                        	Yes
Madoqua      	guntheri                                                                                     	Günther's dik-dik            	Yes
Madoqua      	kirkii                                                                                       	Kirk's dik-dik               	Yes
Madoqua      	piacentinii                                                                                  	Silver dik-dik               	Yes
Madoqua      	saltiana                                                                                     	Salt's dik-dik               	Yes
Nesotragus   	batesi                                                                                       	Bates's pygmy antelope       	Yes
Nesotragus   	moschatus                                                                                    	Suni                         	Yes
Ourebia      	ourebi                                                                                       	Oribi                        	Yes
Raphicerus   	campestris                                                                                   	Steenbok                     	Yes
Raphicerus   	melanotis                                                                                    	Cape grysbok                 	Yes
Raphicerus   	sharpei                                                                                      	Sharpe's grysbok             	Yes
Redunca      	arundinum                                                                                    	Southern reedbuck            	Yes
Redunca      	fulvorufula                                                                                  	Mountain reedbuck            	Yes
Redunca      	redunca                                                                                      	Bohor reedbuck               	Yes
Kobus        	anselli                                                                                      	Upemba lechwe                	Yes
Kobus        	ellipsiprymnus                                                                               	Waterbuck                    	Yes
Kobus        	kob                                                                                          	Kob                          	Yes
Kobus        	leche                                                                                        	Lechwe                       	Yes
Kobus        	megaceros                                                                                    	Nile lechwe                  	Yes
Kobus        	vardonii                                                                                     	Puku                         	Yes
Pelea        	capreolus                                                                                    	Grey rhebok                  	Yes
Ammotragus   	lervia                                                                                       	Barbary sheep                	Yes
Arabitragus  	jayakari                                                                                     	Arabian tahr                 	No
Budorcas     	taxicolor                                                                                    	Takin                        	Yes
Capra        	aegagrus                                                                                     	West Asian ibex              	No
Capra        	caucasica                                                                                    	West Caucasian tur           	Yes
Capra        	cylindricornis                                                                               	East Caucasian tur           	Yes
Capra        	falconeri                                                                                    	Markhor                      	Yes
Capra        	hircus                                                                                       	Domestic goat                	Yes
Capra        	ibex                                                                                         	Alpine ibex                  	Yes
Capra        	nubiana                                                                                      	Nubian ibex                  	Yes
Capra        	pyrenaica                                                                                    	Spanish ibex                 	No
Capra        	sibirica                                                                                     	Siberian ibex                	Yes
Capra        	walie                                                                                        	Walia ibex                   	Yes
Hemitragus   	jemlahicus                                                                                   	Himalayan tahr               	Yes
Nilgiritragus	hylocrius                                                                                    	Nilgiri tahr                 	Yes
Oreamnos     	americanus                                                                                   	Rocky Mountain Goat          	Yes
Ovis         	ammon                                                                                        	Argali                       	Yes
Ovis         	aries                                                                                        	Domestic sheep               	Yes
Ovis         	canadensis                                                                                   	Bighorn sheep                	Yes
Ovis         	dalli                                                                                        	Dall sheep                   	Yes
Ovis         	gmelini                                                                                      	Mouflon                      	Yes
Ovis         	nivicola                                                                                     	Snow sheep                   	No
Ovis         	vignei                                                                                       	Urial                        	No
Pseudois     	nayaur                                                                                       	Blue Sheep / Bharal          	Yes
Rupicapra    	rupicapra                                                                                    	Alpine chamois               	Yes
Rupicapra    	pyrenaica                                                                                    	Pyrenean chamois             	No
Capricornis  	crispus                                                                                      	Japanese serow               	Yes
Capricornis  	sumatraensis                                                                                 	Mainland serow               	Yes
Capricornis  	rubidus                                                                                      	Red serow                    	No
Capricornis  	swinhoei                                                                                     	Taiwan serow                 	Yes
Naemorhedus  	goral                                                                                        	Himalayan goral              	Yes
Naemorhedus  	caudatus                                                                                     	Long-tailed goral            	Yes
Naemorhedus  	baileyi                                                                                      	Red goral                    	Yes
Naemorhedus  	griseus                                                                                      	Chinese goral                	No
Ovibos       	moschatus                                                                                    	Muskox                       	Yes
Pantholops   	hodgsonii                                                                                    	Chiru                        	Yes
Alcelaphus   	buselaphus                                                                                   	Hartebeest                   	Yes
Connochaetes 	gnou                                                                                         	Black wildebeest             	Yes
Connochaetes 	taurinus                                                                                     	Blue wildebeest              	Yes
Damaliscus   	lunatus                                                                                      	Topi                         	Yes
Damaliscus   	pygargus                                                                                     	Bontebok                     	Yes
Beatragus    	hunteri                                                                                      	Hirola                       	Yes
Hippotragus  	equinus                                                                                      	Roan antelope                	Yes
Hippotragus  	niger                                                                                        	Sable antelope               	Yes
Oryx         	beisa                                                                                        	East African oryx            	Yes
Oryx         	dammah                                                                                       	Scimitar oryx                	Yes
Oryx         	gazella                                                                                      	Gemsbok                      	Yes
Oryx         	leucoryx                                                                                     	Arabian oryx                 	Yes
Addax        	nasomaculatus                                                                                	Addax                        	Yes
Whippomorpha
Genus          	Scientific Name        	Common Name                    	Information on Weight (yes/no)
Hippopotamus   	amphibius              	Hippopotamus                   	Yes
Choeropsis     	liberiensis            	Pygmy hippopotamus             	Yes
Eubalaena      	australis              	Southern right whale           	Yes
Eubalaena      	glacialis              	North Atlantic right whale     	Yes
Eubalaena      	japonica               	North Pacific right whale      	Yes
Balaena        	mysticetus             	Bowhead whale                  	Yes
Caperea        	marginata              	Pygmy right whale              	Yes
Eschrichtius   	robustus               	Gray whale                     	Yes
Megaptera      	novaeangliae           	Humpback whale                 	Yes
Balaenoptera   	acutorostrata          	Common minke whale             	Yes
Balaenoptera   	bonaerensis            	Antarctic minke whale          	Yes
Balaenoptera   	borealis               	Sei whale                      	Yes
Balaenoptera   	brydei / edeni brydei ?	Bryde's whale                  	Yes
Balaenoptera   	edeni  / edeni edeni ? 	Eden's whale                   	Yes
Balaenoptera   	musculus               	Blue whale                     	Yes
Balaenoptera   	omurai                 	Omura's whale                  	No
Balaenoptera   	physalus               	Fin whale                      	Yes
Balaenoptera   	ricei                  	Rice's whale                   	Yes
Delphinapterus 	leucas                 	Beluga whale                   	Yes
Monodon        	monoceros              	Narwhal                        	Yes
Delphinus      	delphis                	Common dolphin                 	Yes
Lagenodelphis  	hosei                  	Fraser's dolphin               	Yes
Sotalia        	fluviatilis            	Tucuxi                         	No
Sotalia        	guianensis             	Guiana dolphin                 	No
Sousa          	chinensis              	Indo-Pacific humpback dolphin  	Yes
Sousa          	plumbea                	Indian Ocean humpback dolphin  	Yes
Sousa          	teuszii                	Atlantic humpback dolphin      	Yes
Sousa          	sahulensis             	Australian humpback dolphin    	Yes
Stenella       	attenuata              	Pantropical spotted dolphin    	Yes
Stenella       	frontalis              	Atlantic spotted dolphin       	Yes
Stenella       	longirostris           	Spinner dolphin                	Yes
Stenella       	clymene                	Clymene dolphin                	Yes
Stenella       	coeruleoalba           	Striped dolphin                	Yes
Tursiops       	aduncus                	Indo-Pacific bottlenose dolphin	Yes
Tursiops       	truncatus              	Common bottlenose dolphin      	Yes
Lissodelphis   	borealis               	Northern right whale dolphin   	Yes
Lissodelphis   	peronii                	Southern right whale dolphin   	Yes
Cephalorhynchus	commersonii            	Commerson's dolphin            	Yes
Cephalorhynchus	eutropia               	Chilean dolphin                	No
Cephalorhynchus	heavisidii             	Heaviside's dolphin            	Yes
Cephalorhynchus	hectori                	Hector's dolphin               	Yes
Globicephala   	macrorhynchus          	Short-finned pilot whale       	Yes (newborns)
Globicephala   	melas                  	Long-finned pilot whale        	Yes
Feresa         	attenuata              	Pygmy killer whale             	No
Grampus        	griseus                	Risso's dolphin                	Yes
Orcaella       	brevirostris           	Irrawaddy dolphin              	Yes
Orcaella       	heinsohni              	Australian snubfin dolphin     	No
Peponocephala  	electra                	Melon-headed whale             	Yes
Steno          	bredanensis            	Rough-toothed dolphin          	Yes
Pseudorcas     	crassidens             	False killer whale             	Yes
Orcinus        	orca                   	Orca / Killer Whale            	Yes
Lagenorhynchus 	albirostris            	White-beaked dolphin           	Yes
Lagenorhynchus 	acutus                 	Atlantic white-sided dolphin   	Yes
Lagenorhynchus 	obliquidens            	Pacific white-sided dolphin    	Yes
Lagenorhynchus 	obscurus               	Dusky dolphin                  	Yes
Lagenorhynchus 	australis              	Peale's dolphin                	Yes
Lagenorhynchus 	cruciger               	Hourglass dolphin              	Yes
Neophocaena    	asiaeorientalis        	Yangtze finless porpoise       	Yes
Neophocaena    	phocaenoides           	Indo-Pacific finless porpoise  	Yes
Neophocaena    	sunameri               	East Asian finless porpoise    	Yes
Phocoenoides   	dalli                  	Dall's porpoise                	Yes
Phocoena       	dioptrica              	Spectacled porpoise            	Yes
Phocoena       	phocoena               	Harbour porpoise               	Yes
Phocoena       	sinus                  	Vaquita                        	Yes
Phocoena       	spinipinnis            	Burmeister's porpoise          	Yes
Physeter       	macrocephalus          	Sperm whale                    	Yes
Kogia          	breviceps              	Pygmy sperm whale              	Yes
Kogia          	sima                   	Dwarf sperm whale              	Yes
Berardius      	arnuxii                	Arnoux's beaked whale          	No
Berardius      	bairdii                	Baird's beaked whale           	No
Berardius      	minimus                	Sato's beaked whale            	No
Ziphius        	cavirostris            	Cuvier's beaked whale          	Yes
Tasmacetus     	shepherdi              	Shepherd's beaked whale        	Yes
Hyperoodon     	ampullatus             	Northern bottlenose whale      	Yes
Hyperoodon     	planifrons             	Southern bottlenose whale      	No
Indopacetus    	pacificus              	Tropical bottlenose whale      	No
Mesoplodon     	bowdoini               	Andrew's beaked whale          	No
Mesoplodon     	densirostris           	Blainville's beaked whale      	Yes
Mesoplodon     	hotaula                	Deraniyagala's beaked whale    	No
Mesoplodon     	europaeus              	Gervais's beaked whale         	Yes
Mesoplodon     	ginkgodens             	Ginkgo-toothed beaked whale    	No
Mesoplodon     	grayi                  	Gray's beaked whale            	Yes
Mesoplodon     	hectori                	Hector's beaked whale          	Yes
Mesoplodon     	carlhubbsi             	Hubbs's beaked whale           	No
Mesoplodon     	perrini                	Perrin's beaked whale          	No
Mesoplodon     	peruvianus             	Pygmy beaked whale             	No
Mesoplodon     	bidens                 	Sowerby's beaked whale         	Yes
Mesoplodon     	traversii              	Spade-toothed whale            	No
Mesoplodon     	stejnegeri             	Stejneger's beaked whale       	No
Mesoplodon     	layardii               	Strap-toothed whale            	Yes
Mesoplodon     	mirus                  	True's beaked whale            	Yes
Mesoplodon     	eueu                   	Ramari's beaked whale          	No
Platanista     	gangetica              	Ganges river dolphin           	No
Platanista     	minor                  	Indus river dolphin            	No
Inia           	araguaiaensis          	Araguaian river dolphin        	No
Inia           	boliviensis            	Bolivian river dolphin         	Yes
Inia           	geoffrensis            	Amazon river dolphin           	Yes
Inia           	humboldtiana           	Orinoco river dolphin          	No
Lipotes        	vexillifer             	Baiji                          	Yes
Pontoporia     	blainvillei            	La Plata dolphin               	Yes
 Gimly24 (talk) 20:19, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information on weight in Wikipedia ? (Table yes/no) 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus proposed name is more adequate for a taxon that includes cetaceans. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 15:50, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Even-toed ungulate →  – This is probably going to be very controversial, but hear me out: While "even-toed"/"even-hoofed" animals/ungulates are technically the more popular term according to google scholar, the terms themselves tend to exclude cetaceans, as the articles within the search results often specify "cetaceans/whales and dolphins" + "even-toed ungulates," suggesting that the term isn't so inclusive for cetaceans as opposed to all members of artiodactyls. After all, cetaceans don't have toes/hooves. Yes, I know that the earliest cetacean ancestors walked on land, but it still doesn't change that they no longer have "toes" or "hooves." The term "artiodactyls" is used a lot too and can technically be more "inclusive" for cetaceans instead of just terrestrial artiodactyls. I'm aware that the etymology of "Artiodactyla" means "even toed," but taxonomic names can persist even if the ideas behind them are outdated. PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:00, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I can support this. However, this would be contrary to the policy WP:COMMONNAME. Also, I can see an argument that Even-Toed Ungulates and Artiodactyla may no longer mean the same thing. If so, would that necessitate two separate articles, one for each? Yuck. If we are all in agreement that Artiodactyla includes Even-Toed Ungulates plus Cetaceans, I'm fine with a rename to Artiodactyla, and an appropriate explanation, as that is how this article currently handles the topic anyways. Cougroyalty (talk) 20:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I would say WP:COMMONNAME can be used to support the change. Even-toed ungulate is not the common name for cetaceans, which are not ungulates, even if they have ungulate ancestors.  However, the article is not really about the order as outside the taxonomy sections the cetaceans are ignored. For instance, look at the sections on limbs or teeth, which don't cover cetacean features. The threats section gives a number for threatened species which excludes the cetaceans but doesn't say so. I'd support the move if the article was modified to cover the whole order, but unless most of the sections are changed to cover cetaceans it might be better to leave the article at this title. Something should be done about the schizophrenic nature of the article, where different sections cover different topics (the order in the taxonomy and phylogeny section, even-toed ungulates in the rest of the sections). —  Jts1882 | talk  06:54, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, this is problematic since this article is about the entire Artiodactyla order, and mostly leaving out an entire infraorder from discussion causes problems to understanding traits that unite the entire order. It's more of an "article lacking sufficiantly updated and detailed information" issue than a "naming" issue. I just recently put up a "missing information" template on this article to reflect this. PrimalMustelid (talk) 13:37, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Incidentally, I've noticed that you are tidying up some of the extinct ungulate taxa. You recently removed Gelocidae from the listing in Pecora, but the Gelocidae article still places it in Pecora. What would be the correct placement? —  Jts1882 | talk  15:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Gelocidae is... a very difficult family for paleontologists to interpret. In the few times that it is researched, some say that it belongs within the Tragulina, some say that it's within Pecora, and some others say that it's some predecessor to the Pecora. I placed it tentatively in the Tragulina in this page and could change that in its own page, but truth is, there's not enough of a consistently solid diagnosis for it. All we know is that the classified genera are ruminants, but after that is where things get shaky. It is an infamous wastebasket taxon known for paleontologists lumping anything that can be diagnosed dentally as having traits of both the Tragulina and Pecora. It's... a mess. Honestly, I'm surprised this family got an article first and not most of the other Tragulina families that currently are more solidly defined. PrimalMustelid (talk) 17:37, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Mammals has been notified of this discussion. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 19:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 24 July 2023