Talk:Sonia Shankman Orthogenic School

message: When you edit this entry please do not change the context of the entry unless you have further information to add.  If you believe information should be removed or changed discuss it here first.  Editing sentences for gramatical errors has created several innaccuracies in this specific entry and helped create a confusing entry.  CelticLabyrinth  21:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Note When Editing

message: The article states that renovations are currently underway to modernize the building.  This is incorrect. It has actually been decided that the required renovations would be too extensive to be practical.  There is currently a plan to either move the school to a different location or build a new building behind the current one. I am not sure if any more specific decisions have been made yet.Tad Lincoln (talk) 08:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of which, where are the sources for the rest of the article anyway? The.ravenous.llama (talk) 01:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been wondering about that too. Actually, this article looks incredibly familiar, and I think it's possible that it was plagiarized from the O'School website. Tad Lincoln (talk) 05:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I thoroughly looked through the Orthogenic School's website, and I'm concluding that it's not plagiarized, at least from the official website. To start, the tone of the entry in Wikipedia is very different than the website's entries. But you're right, it does seem familiar in some way. The.ravenous.llama (talk) 03:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I first wrote the original stub over 2 years ago- it was not plagiarized and has been edited by several people, but it is definitely not a well written article and lacks any citation.  If anyone else wants to take up the task of writing a well cited article please do. CelticLabyrinth (talk) 19:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh- and the old website said something about renovations- feel free to remove that information as I do not have a cite for it. CelticLabyrinth (talk) 19:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There. I've significantly modified the History section. There should no longer be anything there that doesn't have a citation (which I also handily added.) The.ravenous.llama (talk) 04:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renovations? 

message: This article may benefit from a photo of the front of the school and/or assorted areas of the interior. I would do it, but I have no idea how to add photos to an article on Wikipedia. Any takers? The.ravenous.llama (talk) 00:53, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First you have to upload the photo, then add it like any other wikilink, basically. (That's the quick-and-dirty instructions; better ones are here.) I have personally stayed away from images, as they're among the most contentious areas on WP--you have to either own the image rights or have created it yourself, or you'll find yourself in the dark morass of Fair Use Policy. I am not even going to TRY explaining THAT. But yeah--if you have an acceptable photo, it would definitely help the article. GJC 01:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, thanks for clarifying. As soon as I have time a picture is going up. Unless someone else gets to it first. Probably not but still. The.ravenous.llama (talk) 03:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo? 

message: The mural by the Pub/TLC building is by Jordi Bonet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordi_Bonet http://www.jordibonet.net/Commun/Oeuvres/Chicago1.html .  There's some other artwork and sculptures in the school that are worth noting, although I am not sure who the artists are.  If anyone could work this into the article it would be nice.
Also- there's a documentary film called "Refrigerator Mother", it features Autistic adults and their parents, many who were treated by Bettelheim and resided a the O'School- it might be useful for more info beyond the other books by and about Bettelheim if someone can obtain a copy.
CelticLabyrinth (talk) 02:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mural and Other Artwork

message: Here are some old school photos, looks like from the Bettelhiem era.  There is a free use for educational purposes http://photofiles.lib.uchicago.edu/db.xqy?keywords=orthogenic Information on Rights and Permissions http://photofiles.lib.uchicago.edu/rights.html .  I'm not going to mess with photos on Wikipedia, but if someone else wants to this would be an awesome resource. CelticLabyrinth (talk) 09:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vintage Photos

message: This is a definite possibility at this point, as the school has been soliciting donations from alumni for this purpose. The letter I received said it was expected to be complete by 2011. However, I need to find a reliable source for this in order to include it in the article.. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The.ravenous.llama (talk) 22:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  School relocation 

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message: Genius Or Fraud? Bettelheim's Biographers Can't Seem To Decide, Chicago Tribune, Ron Grossman, January 23, 1997, page 2.
'  .  .  .  During his Vienna years, Bettelheim had undergone analysis. His friends and ex-wife recalled that he was motivated to do so because his first marriage was failing. Yet once he became Dr. B of the Orthogenic School, he reinterpreted those sessions on the couch as the kind of training analysis every psychoanalyst must undergo.  .  .  '
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Separating Fact from Fiction in the Etiology and Treatment of Autism, Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice, James Herbert, Ian Sharp, Brandon Gaudiano (all three authors from Hahnemann University in Philadelphia, Penn.), Vol. 1: No. 1, Spring-Summer 2002.
'  .  .  .  although he frequently claimed to have studied under Freud in Vienna, Bettelheim possessed no formal training in psychoanalysis whatsoever,  .  .  .  '
::Please help ramp up our article if topic interests you. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 19:11, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please help out if topic interests you.  FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 21:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bettelheim's background was as a client of psychoanalysis?