Talk:Traian Băsescu

message: Basescu is only the elected President of Romania and doesn't currently hold office, he currently is Mayor of Bucharest. He will be sworn in later this month. I've edited the fact box to reflect this, but I don't know how/if it can mention he will become President of Romania soonish. Gcbirzan 11:06, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are you getting results from these mayoral elections? It would like to get hold of the full results.
Election results in Bucharest mayor elections, in Romanian but it should be pretty understandable. Gcbirzan 12:39, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Office 

message: According to the Romanian Constitution, the President holds office until the newly elected one is sworn in (article 83, third paragraph).
What happened on the 16th of December was the validation of the election results by the Constitutional Court, according to article 82, paragraph one. Paragraph two says that he will then be swron in before the reunited houses of Parliament. That hasn't happened yet.
I'm not sure if he's still Mayor of Bucharest, but I don't remember hearing anything on his resignation, or the appointment of a provisional (or whatever the term may be) Mayor. Gcbirzan 21:31, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basescu isn't President, yet 

message: : reduction (...) in numbers of ownerless dogs (...) roaming freely among the streets of the city from 1,500,000 in 2000 to 25,000 in 2004 and thus in the number of dog bite injuries from 1500/day to under 200/day;
He did reduce the number of dogs, but I am not very sure about the estimations... We would need a citation for these. 
Bogdan | Talk 22:20, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Stray dogs

message: The following was recently anonymously removed with the summary "Not correct. Mr. Basescu's remarks were taken out of context":
:In October 2004, at the peak of this election campaign, in answer to a question on a talk-show, he voiced his support for legalization of same-sex marriage. He was the first political candidate in Romania to support the gay cause to that extent. Later in the campaign, the PSD used this affirmation against him. 
It seems to me that if this was, indeed, a misportrayal of his remarks by his opponents, then (accurate) discussion of the incident belongs in the article. It's still an interesting tidbit about the campaign, and an opponent's false statements about a candidate can be quite worth mentioning as such. Can someone sort out the facts of this, preferably with citations and exact quotation of what (if anything) he said and what he was alleged to have said, and then get that into the article? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:02, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
Here is a recording of the named talk-show. It includes a transcript. I just googled for it :D. --194.232.128.102 (talk) 11:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Context and gay marriage 

message: Replaced the weird looking portrait with the official one. I think this is more suitable. --Steve Latinner 00:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrait 

message: Why is it that ALL wikipedia articles on Romanian postcommunist presidents depicts them with US presidents?
I mean, Iliescu's article shows his smiling with Bush, Constantinescu's article has him together with Clinton and Basescu has not one, but two pictures of the Romanian president talking to George W. Bush. I do not believe this reflects accurately the foreign policy of a country that will join the European Union in a month. Some pictorial diversity would be interesting here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tnapoleao (talk • contribs).
:Answer: because the U.S. government is one of the best sources of public domain images. The Romanian goverment, and most of the postcommunist governments, retain copyright on all official photos, so we can't use them freely. When they meet a U.S. president, the U.S. government inevitably releases a photo to the public domain. 
:For very similar reasons, a lot of photos of entertainers show them performing on U.S. military bases. - Jmabel | Talk 05:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fascinating. Thanks for clearing that up, Jmabel! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SaulPerdomo (talk • contribs) 01:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: By the way, I raised this some time ago as an objection to our policies on always favoring "free use" over "fair use" of images. Similar issues have arise even with UK politicians. - Jmabel | Talk 05:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obsession with American presidents 

message: The "drinking problems" section is exactly the opposite of what should be found on wikipedia, it's a political game, and it serves a clear propagandist role. :) Thus, I'm removing it right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirc mirc (talk • contribs) 
:Just don't forget that Wikipedia is not censored. The statement was not POV, as it is well sourced, so it has nothing to do with propaganda (look at sections about controversies on other politician's pages). You see, the negative propaganda is bad, but the whitewashing is bad too. It should remain. --86.125.180.178 08:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There are no impartial sources confirming he is an alcoholic. Mentatus 15:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Drinking problems" 

message: No picture?--Tones benefit 12:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture?

message: It's not only on Base (Geoana is targeted, too), but the paragraph on Base is pretty factual, and I'm sure you can find other sources on the matter, too:
:: http://www.adevarul.ro/articole/afara-din-vile/335002
Dpotop (talk) 11:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  http://www.romanialibera.ro/a113549/limuzine-doar-cu-geamuri-verzi-pentru-demnitari.html
Dpotop (talk) 11:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good, reliable source. Can someone add it? 

message: "Although the reasons for this sudden withdrawal were not completely clear, from Stolojan's declarations and answers the press inferred that he might have been subject to blackmail in regards to psychological treatment that he had undergone 15 years prior."
I could find no source to back this statement up, and I also noticed that it's been tagged as original research since May 2007. If nobody has a reasonable objection, I would suggest to either remove the (otherwise irrelevant to Basescu) statement or replace it with something like:
"Although Stolojan claimed to have withdrawn because of health concerns, Băsescu denounced to the press that the reason behind this decision was blackmail from political opponents." (BBC interview)
Note also that the article on Stolojan mentions no such nonsense either. — Daniel Mahu · talk · 01:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stolojan 

message: William Manchester   "Adio intuneric!" -Editura Politica-1986  pagina 161, r. 26-32
 V-as ruga daca aveti timp sa o cititi integral. 
         cu tot respectul, lucaci dorin
                   gura humorului, sv. lucaciaurica@yahoo.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.44.57.174 (talk) 20:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  un paragraf. va rog... 

message: Infobox says "In office December 20, 2004 – April 20, 2007". This reads as if his (month-long) suspension were the end of his term. - Jmabel | Talk 22:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: These removals (and in one case a reversal of an adjective) by Fountainviewkid strike me as being more about pushing a pro-Băsescu point of view than improving the article. But I leave it to someone who is more actively working on the article to make the call, and especially to view them in the context of any other recent activity on the article. - Jmabel | Talk 03:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removals 

message: "Băsescu has tried to improve Romania's relations with Moldova... Furthermore, he has expressed several times his belief in the future unification of the two countries".
In that context, given that Moldova is viewed as an independent state, it sounds rather weird that an attempt to unify countries politically is an improvement of relations, doesn't it?93.183.246.206 (talk) 03:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relations with Moldova 

message: User:Dc76 keeps removing the sub-sections in criticism because he doesn't agree with the tiles. But sections are badly needed there because of the multiple issues. Please propose more appropriate titles, but don't remove them outright. "Dosarul Flota" means nothing to English readers that don't grok Romanian. Pcap ping 03:37, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:COATRACK and this explain that it is better to avoid lumping criticism and controversy in one section in a WP:BLP. Instead, respective issues should be dealt with chronologically. For example in this case, the merchant fleet case is relevant for the early political career, and so on. However, some things do not have where to go, yet. For example, there is no (sub)section about the 2009 Presidential Elections campaign, but there is already one para about controversy related to that. That para can stay in the "Criticism and Controversies" section until a specific (sub)section about the 2009 campaign is written. Please, look at the current version, and honestly tell yourself: is it better or not than having all controversies lumped together? Which way it reads nicer, with criticisms/controversies all together, or with them separately by period with the relevant section? Thank you for your cooperation. Dc76\talk 04:21, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Pease, allow me to site from there: 
Criticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. Do not give disproportionate space to particular viewpoints. The views of a tiny minority have no place in the article. Care must be taken with article structure to ensure the overall presentation is broadly neutral; in particular, section headings should reflect areas important to the subject's notability.
Content should be sourced to reliable sources and should be about the subject of the article specifically. Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association. Look out for biased or malicious content about living persons. If someone appears to be promoting a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability.
Dc76\talk 04:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Oh, really? I see common practice to add sub-sections to the controversies section. Pcap ping 04:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do I sense some irony? Hello! We are EDITORS here, not political fans. Don't point me to Ion Iliescu, please, I haven't read that article for very-very long time. I certainly have no interest in editing BLPs of presidential candidates and their major political opponents during electoral campaigns. But I would react, as I have reacted toady, if I see something weird going on. Why didn't you edit this article 1-2 months ago before the campaign, or 1-2 weeks later after the campaign? Dc76\talk 05:21, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Before things get too out of hand here, can Dc76 and Pcap agree to stop commenting about each other for a while and start thinking about article content? How would you each propose to improve this article? Can you each wait for outside comment before making your preferred changes and instead discuss them here first? Franamax (talk) 05:52, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

text:  (edit conflict with Franamax) Where's the good faith? I pointed you to the Iliescu article because it seemed the obvious one to use for comparison with another (former) president of Romania that wasn't loved by a certain part of the media (different from the part that doesn't like Basescu), and certainly not because I'm a fan of either. Actually, I had only read both articles today, and was rather unpleasantly surprised by their poor quality. The sad fact is that middle-of-the-road journalism (MOR) is almost entirely absent in Romanian press, so the most NPOV thing one can do on any topic related to Romanian presidents is to cite sources on both sides, which is what I've done. And you claim that is "something weird going on" and revert!? I edited Basescu's article now because it struck my fancy to update some Romanian biographies (I also updated Mircea Badea's and Gigi Becali's just before in case you wonder). As for why edit "during the campaign", well, this article doesn't even have a section for his 2009 campaign, so I'd say it needs editing. I hesitated creating a 2009 campaign section just with this "child hitting" incident, as it clearly would have been WP:UNDUE weight as the only issue there. But editing the bio during a campaign is not the crime you make it, especially when the article could use work in covering said campaign... Since you seem a have worked on this article for while, why don't you add something to it? Pcap ping 06:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Franamax, I'll refrain form editing on this article for a while. I'm tired of this silly discussion questioning my motives. Pcap ping 06:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well rather than walking away, I'd rather see you and Dc (who is away for most of the next day I thinkk) just speak here on the talk page on how you wish to improve the article. Both of you, do you want to change (sub-)section headings? Why? Do you want to move text around? Do either of you want to find reliable sources to fill in all those  tags? You should both stop questioning motives - what suggestions do you have for improving the article? Franamax (talk) 08:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Dear fellow editors, you might be curious to see this: . Dc76\talk 08:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made 2 notes: here and here. Dc76\talk 05:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sectioning for criticism 

message: This story has now been at least mentioned if not detailed in Western media, like Associated Press , Financial Times , and the Wall Street Journal . If Dc76 still considers mentioning this a BLP violation, we should start a RfC on the matter to gain wider input. Unless this RfC is done, and considering that one other editor, Anonimu supports inclusion, with nobody besides Dc76 objecting, I consider any further en bloc removals NPOV and consensus violations and shall revert any such removal by pointing you to this talk page. We can discuss the level of detail etc. Pcap ping 00:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeated removals of alleged boy hitting video 

message: Speaking of criticism in general, I find that too much space (4 paragraphs) are allotted to this brouhaha. I think one paragraph should suffice to cover that. We don't need full a paragraph inline quotation from Nicolae Păun, his position can be easily summarized etc. Is anyone objecting to condensing that story to one paragraph? Pcap ping 00:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that needs to be trimmed down. Taking half of the controversies section is overboard, considering it was a relatively minor incident.Anonimu (talk) 01:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Stinking gypsy" incident 

message: I think too much emphasis is put on that in the lead (1 full para), including the full procedure and poll numbers. I'd leave one or two sentences.  Pcap ping 11:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much emphasis on suspension/impeachment in the lead? 

message: I agree with User:Biruitorul's comment that the lead now needs further rewriting to summarize the article instead of being "latest news". Pcap ping 22:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More [[WP:RECENTISM]] 

message: Could you please accept that you are not allowed to express political sympathies in wikipedia postings ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crissim99 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You and User:Jackjoboto need to stop edit warring. Băsescu was declared the winner by Romanian electoral authorities. It's also true that opposition has 48hrs to challenge those results to the Supreme Court, if I recall correctly. Pcap ping 17:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election Results 2009 

message: Can a native Romanian speaker please comment on the correct placement of stress in the name "Traian"?  The article currently shows stress on the last syllable ([traˈjan]) — but my impression is that, in fact, people either stress the first syllable ([ˈtra.jan]), or else they say his full name as if it were a single word with both syllables of "Traian" equally unstressed ([tra.jan.bəˈses.ku]).  Richwales (talk) 00:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: [traˈjan] is definitely closer to native pronunciation than [ˈtra.jan], but equally unstressed syllables is a close second; my WP:OR :-) Pcap ping 20:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of name? 

message: why isn't this page protected?  wtf he's a freakin president. i'll vandalize it all over town unless u protect freakin rascist romanians, not gypsies!!!  only name issimliar and i'm tired of everyonethinking they are wtf wtf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.177.111.120 (talk) 03:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  wtf 

message: As a POV tag was applied yesterday on this article, it would be nice for the user who did it to explain his decision in a proper way (i.e. in more than the 200 characters allowed by the summary box).Anonimu (talk) 22:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV tag 

message: I'm not going to jump into such a heavily watched and contentious article out of nowhere, but I can't help but note that the many "citation needed" tags throughout the article would normally mean it doesn't qualify as a B-class article.  Anyone see any good reason it shouldn't be demoted to C-class? - DustFormsWords (talk) 02:02, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reassess as C class 

message: Romanian impeachment vote ruled invalid Can the lede now be rewritten? -- megA (talk) 10:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I can clarify: 1. It is not he Supreme court, but the Constitutional Court which is quite different! 2. He is still suspended, because the Court decision takes effect the moment it is published in the Official Gazette; before publishing it, the decision has to be presented to the Houses of Parliament, in a joint session. That session is called for Monday, 27 August 2012. So, Basescu is still "Suspended President of Romania". --ES Vic (talk) 11:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. -- megA (talk) 11:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impeachment referendum declared invalid 

message: For Basescu to re-asume office, the following has to occur, in this particular order:
# The Chamber of Deputies and the Senate are summoned to meet in a joint extraordinary session on 27 August 2012, around noon;
# The verdict of the Constitutional Court on the impeachment referendum has to be read to the houses by one of the constitutional judges;
# Parliament acknowledges the verdict by passing a motion;
# That motion is published by The Official Gazette under the signature of the official presiding the joint session (in this case Valeriu Zgonea, President of the Chamber of Deputies.
As one can see, there are a lot of variables to this procedure. So, it might be 27 August 2012 somewhere in Australia or New Zealand, but nobody knows what is going to happen once the sun rises for 27 August 2012 EEST! So please wait! in the mean time, he continues to be Suspended President of Romania. --ES Vic (talk) 11:59, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second reasumption of office 

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message: Would it be correct to say that in the shadow of Traian Basescu presidency ,  P.S.D  has stolen another two mandates .5 years plus five years of presidency are 10 years. In total , from 1989 ,30 years.More than 25 , which is a quarter of a century.So what s the catch.Question mark.Is Romania under Russia control and romanians have to swallow any new invention of parties , presidents.2003:CF:BF2F:6411:801F:E474:46DB:6B66 (talk) 01:21, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  P.S.D. party or Communist party