Talk:Po Valley

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The result of the proposal was Speedy close - reopening of discussion already closed  as no consensus. Húsönd 17:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
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*The opposition appears to be largely based on Italian Val having a slightly different semantic range than valley. This is natural, but should not override English usage, which is about 400 to 1 against Padan Plain. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move (old)

message: *Support as nom. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: *6410 Google scholar hits for  Po valley
*16 for Padan Plain
*Even the bastard Anglo-Italian Padana Plain only gets 103 Google scholar hits.
The unreliable raw google gets similar results. 530,000 for Po valley; 22,400 for Padan Plain, examination of which suggests that the latter is primarily a carelessly over-literal translation from the Italian.  Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Data

message: *What would most English language travel guides refer to the region as?  Unfortunately, I don't have my Italy guides with me.  As this is the English Wikipedia, it would make sense to refer to the region by its most commonly used name in English. --StuffOfInterest (talk) 19:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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*The opposition appears to be largely based on Italian Val having a slightly different semantic range than valley. This is natural, but should not override English usage, which is about 400 to 1 against Padan Plain. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

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The result of the proposal was move to Po Valley --Lox (t,c) 20:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
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*Page moved per discussion above; cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move (new)

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;Po valley
*First choice Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Approval poll

message: There is no question that the standard Italian is pianura Padana, although one of the comments in the last discussion is that Val Padana is also commonly used. Val and valley have slightly different implications; this is not surprising, since the terrain of Italy also differs from England, North America, or Australia. But "Po valley" is what English speakers most often use and would expect; Padan is a very rare word, and is found, if at all, in Cispadane and Transpadane (note the e). Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
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*Page moved per discussion above; cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I created the page, I am the responsibile for its strange naming - maybe because I'm Italian speaking mothertongue and LIVE in the Po valley, or Po plain, or Padan plain or God knows. I come back and find a revolution has been staged without consulting me...
However I have to approve: Po valley can be more apt a definition for English speakers than mine, despite we seldom use the expression Val Padana. Just keep in mind, however, that the English language Wikipedia is THE Wikipedia of reference for THE WORLD, non-English speakers included (just like me).
Basil II 00:54, 4 January 2008 (CET)
:Thank you for your generous attitude.  May peace on this article be everlasting. Unschool (talk) 06:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ahem...

message: I have added the alternate names to the head of the article.  Using Google Books, we find Po Valley about 3x more common than Po Plain or Plain of the Po (which is decisive for the name of the article, but they are common enough to mention), and Padan Plain very rare or old-fashioned (and might well be discarded...).  --macrakis (talk) 22:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate names

message: While I appreciate the grandness of the Italian grand style (you sometimes see it in American Civil War battlefield tour guides) it does not really sound like encyclopedic English, which is rather matter-of-fact. Too emotional and a bit opinionated; by that, I mean the author keeps interjecting his emotional reactions to events. It might make a nice essay, but we aren't essayists (not here anyway). So, if you don't mind, I think I will anglicise it a bit. We are a bunch of cold fish, you know, or haven't you heard? Yuk yuk. No offense. While I am at it I will try to find some refs as there are none here. This is an ongoing project. After the move it seems to have been dropped as though everything about it to be settled was settled. Ciao.Dave (talk) 16:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Someone had to have translated some of this stuff out of Italian originals but they didn't cite any originals. The degree by which the translation might be improved is 10 on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 symbolizing the greatest need. I don't think just fixing the English will do much good, but that is all I am going to do for now. Why don't you suprise me and come up with some references? Back later.Dave (talk) 02:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No hay problema. I wrote down the original page from scratch with my heart, far more than with cold reasoning. I'm Italian, after all, and a Lombard :)--Basil II (talk) 13:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Basil for your candid admission and thanks for your work on the article. I think I will work on it from time to time. My immediate problem is to find English refs for this material. I note also that just because something was translated from the Italian does not make it accurate or sacrosanct. If I may seem a little overzealous in my comments I do apologize. Smoothness has not been a strong point of mine. Blame it on the puritan yankees if you wish, or on me. I can certainly see (from a distance) why you would get enthusiastic about the Po Valley. Writing off the top although not perhaps as accurate at least puts something there for others to work on. Have a great day. Ciao.Dave (talk) 19:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs refs and English workover

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