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message: The official language (Amtssprache) of Basel is German. This is true for both, the city of Basel as well as the canton, since they share the government and administration. -- ZH8000 (talk) 11:01, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: While sourcing I moved controversial Basel people into this section so they don't get put in the general population that can be added back into the article.
*Rudolf Bernhard (1901–1962), Swiss actor, comedian, radio personality, stage and film actor, born and grew up in Basel.
::Per the latest "Federer rule" this guy will have to be looked at closer. He was born in Basel and was an optician in Basel, but after his military service he moved away and became famous and notable in Zurich, married in Zurich, founded a theatre in Zurich, and died in Zurich. This would be a much easier list to maintain if it was simply born in Basel, or died in Basel, or was a notable person while living in Basel. Much less subjective imho. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Could really find nothing on this person aside from other wikis, blogs and sef-published stuff, so I've no idea if they are even notable let alone doing it in Basel. The wikipedia article is woeful and has had a warning about it up there for 7 years. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ref'd but in the same category as Ivanovic. Not born in Basel, didn't die in Basel, and of his 61 years of life only 12 were spent living in Basel. His greatest accomplishments were not during his Basel years (as opposed to Ivanovic). Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:06, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

text: Another person in the Ana Ivanovic category of living mainly somewhere else... he was actually thrown out of Basel. As I said there will be many of these persons that will need to be deleted if we use the same criteria as Ivanovic. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:06, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

text: This listing of Ivanovic not justified, despite the links. The links do not prove that she has any other relation to Basel than her shert-term "visiting" residence, which is still not proved, neither. Not even her time of residence. First link could actually not be worse: A british-based site about the largest clock and jewlery fair on the world a minor fashion show (misleading by misusing an almost identical brand like BaselWorld, the largest clock and jewlery fair on the world) taking place in Basel addressed to a questionable audience is hardly of substance and has a totally different aim, definitely not accurancy: They even claim that Ivanovic was born in Basel (LOL!). There is nothing to add to this. Finally, Blick is the tabloid no. 1 in Switzerland and says nothing more than that she may be from Basel - qed - -- ZH8000 (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If others agree that a notable person who reaches the pinnacle of their profession while living in Basel, but was not born or did not die in Basel, does not belong on this list... then I can live with that. But I fear it will exclude many others on this list. She will not be excluded just because she's a tennis player and not a violinist. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:38, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

text: since I was told that just being born in Basel doesn't qualify. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:21, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

text: This list still needs to be sourced... I think I'm the only one who did any! But it stays out until they are sourced as was implied by administrator . Don't go trying to slip the list back in without sourcing and consensus as was told to us "Moving any individual back into a notable people section without appropriate sourcing given the recent behaviour here might be considered disruptive editing." Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:29, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Fyunck. Yes, putting unsourced material back into the article is unacceptable. It's OK to put individuals back in as long as they are sourced - it doesn't have to be the whole list. But sourcing a few, and then putting them all back in, unsourced as well, is not OK. And it doesn't matter if it's a few months or few years down the line, we don't want unsourced lists of people in Wikipedia articles. Waiting a period of time doesn't make it acceptable. Reliable sources make it acceptable. SilkTork ✔Tea time 23:32, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes , as you pointed out if individuals are sourced and aren't contested (as 3 are now), then they can go back. Unfortunately the editor has now once again defied that by re-added the list for the second time in less than 24 hours. Not sure what to do here. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A warning has been issued. SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:39, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: The article suggests that the number of around 537'000 inhabitants refers to the entire tri-national urban area, i.e. in Switzerland, Germany and France. However, this number includes the Swiss part only. The total number of inhabitants for the trinational urban area is around 830'000, according to the Federal Statistics Office of Switzerland. (The Basel Metropolitan Area, as identified by the Federal Urban Planning Agency, is estimated at around 1,3/1,4 million inhabitants.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.198.10.235 (talk) 14:10, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: 'Basle' is, strictly speaking, still the UK spelling (pronounced "Baarl", an anglicised version of the French 'Bâle'). Why is it only the German spelling which is used in this article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:120B:2C1B:51A0:92C:FE29:D36C:6AF7 (talk) 17:01, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The alternative spelling Basle is mentioned in the first sentence. Basel is used in the body mostly for consistency. It's also the more usual spelling in American English. Station1 (talk) 19:16, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there is a catch. According to Google Trends, the use of the German spelling Basel is much more common in searches from the United Kingdom although there are more searches for the anglicised Basle from the UK than the United States. However, there is another catch in which the French pronunciation is still common in the UK among my parents' generation although the German language has phonetic spelling. Please see my contribution in Talk:Basel#Is there a justification for preserving the "Basle" spelling? for more information. Tk420 (talk) 14:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Basle not Basel in British English

message: The text "Basel is commonly considered to be the cultural capital of Switzerland.https://www.schweizerdeutsch-lernen.ch/blog/die-stadt-basel/" uses a questionable source and is therefore to be removed WP:QS. -- ZH8000 (talk) 10:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Now it's worse still. "Basel is Switzerland's cultural capital". Please can a stop be put to this one "Basel nationalist" (for want of a better term). 2.25.194.23 (talk) 18:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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message: I live in Basel — nobody refers to the city as "Basle". In German, it is referred to as Basel. In French, as Bâle. English speakers living in Basel exclusively use "Basel". The local and federal governments never use "Basle" — a Google search for «"basle" site:bs.ch» yields no recent results.
What is the justification for preserving the "Basle" spelling prominently in the article, aside from as a historical factoid? I propose to remove the "Basle" spelling from the first paragraph and infobox.
FloralContributor8192 (talk) 10:40, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It has occurred to me that preferences for the name of the city might vary with dialect and demographic. Speaking as a millennial native speaker of British English from the West Midlands region of England, I can confirm that the French pronunciation ("bahl") appears to be common among my parents' generation although searches for the city by its German spelling are much more common than searches for it by the anglicised Basle although there are more searches for Basle from the United Kingdom than the United States according to Google Trends both over the past year and since 2004. This resistance to the change in pronunciation but not necessarily spelling is unsurprising considering there is a similar situation for place names in north and west Wales in which the anglicised spellings for places like Porthmadog and Conwy (Portmadoc and Conway respectively) were officially dropped in the late 20th century although the anglicised pronunciations are still common especially among older generations and outside those areas despite the Welsh language having phonetic spelling and the Welsh spellings for those places gaining universal acceptance. In trying to determine the most common spelling for the Swiss city by the British media, the BBC appears to be favourable towards the anglicised Basle for the city recommending the use of an established anglicisation for place names if there is one but prefers the German Basel for the city's sports teams.  However, there are also sections of the press that use the German spelling such as the left leaning compact The Guardian which use the German Basel for the city.
Considering the city is still known as Basle in a section of the English-speaking World, although Basel is the most common form as per WP:COMMONNAME, I would recommend including Basle in the introduction, including the pronunciation, and the infobox to let readers know they have found what they are looking for especially as this is the practise in Encyclopaedia Britannica and considering that it has been argued that Basle is still common in the UK in previous discussions in this talk page's archive. Tk420 (talk) 14:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Basle is the correct spelling in English. Borrowed from French. We also use the French spellings for Berne and Lucerne. Duh. 99.228.43.133 (talk) 00:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a justification for preserving the "Basle" spelling?