Talk:Medieval university

message: Does anyone have any details about Cairo? All I know for sure is that it is the world's oldest continuing university. PML.
* al-Azhar University, Cairo, founded 988. Alba 13:23, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: All these things depend on the definition of the word "University". There were schools all over the world much earlier than this, but whether or not they were "Universities" depends on how you define this word. With some definitions of "University" only pre-1500AD European institutions would qualify. Rnt20 14:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cairo

message: #The spelling "mediaeval" is much more common in British English; as there were no U.S. mediaeval universities, this spelling would therefore seem to be more suitable.
#If you insist on changing it back without discussion, you should at least deal with the double redirects, and alter the text of the article in line with the title. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 07:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle Ages/British spelling of Medieval. If you didn't change all the redirects in the first place we wouldn't have to fix them. Why this article specifically? There was no medieval anything in the US, yet all our medieval articles use "medieval". Adam Bishop 15:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that you've simply reverted again, making your appearance of discussion a sham.  I'll leave it; another conflict involving boorish editing is more than I need. (And of course I changed the redirects; that's what you're  supoosed to do when you move a page.) --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 21:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even the OUP Catalog calls it "Medieval", I would image it's a pretty standard convention at Oxford?  --Stbalbach 23:27, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: I'm looking at education. I was wondering about previous education, such as the equivelent of secondary school today. Does anyone know about this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.28.40.127 (talk • contribs) .
:Wikipedia is in need of an article that discusses medieval pre-University education. It's more complicated as it varies widely depending on time, place, social status and future track (just as today). I have some sources and will see if it's enough to start an article. -- Stbalbach 17:52, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre-university education

message: Byzantine universities is an entirely separate topic with a very different history than those in Western Europe. There is more than enough material on the subject for a separate article. -- Stbalbach 23:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why that means Constantinople has to be removed. Also, Istanbul University does not really date from 1453, so it probably shouldn't be on the list...and if the Byzantine university is too different, why would the Ottoman university fit? Adam Bishop 18:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going by how the DMA defines it. "University" is a western term and it means an autonomous institution. There was no such thing in the Byzantine empire, and they certainly never used the term University. Perhaps the Istanbul university became autonomous in 1453? Perhaps the Ottoman university was autonomous? --Stbalbach 00:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as our own Istanbul University says, "Istanbul University (Turkish İstanbul Üniversitesi ) was founded as an institution of higher education named Darülfünun in 1863. It was refounded as İstanbul Darülfünunu in 1912. İstanbul Darülfünunu was closed by Kemal Atatürk in 1933 and Istanbul University was established in its place. Interestingly, the University claims that the date of establishment is 1453, which seems to have no relevant historical background." I think you are being overly exclusive in the use of "medieval" and "university". Okay, the university in Constantinople didn't work like the university in Paris, but it is generally similar, and not even all the western universities were exactly the same. Adam Bishop 01:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A defining characteristic of a university is it is autonomous. Higher education existed since Roman times and earlier, but we don't call them Universities. At some point what we now call a "University" began - and it is generally recognized to have been in Italy, not Byzantium, this is well documented. I'm OK with removing Istanbul University from the list, I had not researched it, assumed it was accurate, guess not. -- Stbalbach 01:22, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Byzantine universities 

message: The division of early universities setting left out one catorgy, does anyone happen to know what that might be?  Just for a reminder, the first catorgy was; Bologna - students ran the university, and Paris - teachers ran the university. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.68.74 (talk • contribs) 
:Not sure I understand - can you elaborate? -- Stbalbach 16:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Division

message: There probably ought to be a link to the page Renaissance of the 12th century in the section about the foundation of the early universities Bluap 16:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Renaissance of the 12th century]]

message: University of Al Karaouine was built in 859AD, why isn't it in the list. Its also considered by the Guiness Book of Record as the oldest existing university in the world. Its still operating in Morocco. --Itsalif 23:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia defines the Medieval as a period of European history. Al Quaraouyine is not in Europe, and up until the last century its character was more that of a madrasa rather than a university. --Duncan (talk) 20:30, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of University of Al Karaouine ? 

message: There were significant differences between Italian universities and Paris/Oxford, most notably that Italian universities
generally didn't have much in the way of arts curricula, and were mostly focused on law and medicine.  Furthermore, the genesis
of Oxford (non-cathedral school), Paris (cathedral school), and Bologna (law school) were significantly different. SmaleDuffin 20:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italy vs Paris/Oxford 

message: "Medieval university is such an institution of higher learning which was established during Gothic period and is a corporation."
Shouldn't it be "A Medieval university..." or "Medieval universities are such institutions...."? Grant (talk) 01:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar in the first line 

message: The prose throughout the article needs style and grammar editing (missing articles, awkward word order, and typical English as a second language mistakes). Sorry, I would do it but can't afford the time at the moment--and this is not my field of expertise (I was simply trying to find out something about the history of European universities)
Cat1974 (talk) 14:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs language revision 

message: Are Cambridge and Oxford the only beautiful medieval universities? Why? Is it because they were the only Collegiate universities? Were they the only collegiate universities? I've always wondered about this, and feel it should be included.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.196.202 (talk) 10:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact many medieval universities had colleges: they originated at the University of Paris (Sorbonne, the nickname of the university of Paris, was actually the name of one of its most famous colleges), and many of the old universities in Spain and Portugal (e.g. Salamanca and Coimbra), as well as the Old University of Leuven had colleges.  They were all closed at the end of the 18th and start of the 19th century, in the political turmoil of the time.  Several of the colleges of the University of Paris were transformed into highschools that exist to today, such as the Lycee Louis-le-Grand.  Colleges were much rarer or even non-existing in the Italian and German universities, see however the Collegio di Spagna.--Jakkm77 (talk) 10:08, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Architecture

message: Should say the first universities were found in The Holy Roman Empire instead of Italy (italy did not exist at the time).
86.163.210.235 (talk) 07:52, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Stickee (talk) 13:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 86.163.210.235, 3 January 2011 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagiellonian_University
established 1364
The university was the first university in Europe to establish independent chairs in Mathematics and Astronomy. (1406)
Wsflo (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cracow, Jagiellonian Univ. 

message: From the page on Scholasticism,"It is difficult to define the date at which they became true universities, although the lists of studia generalia for higher education..." There is no link or definition regarding 'real' or 'true' universities that I have been able to find anywhere in Wikipedia and think the statement, at minimum, needs a link to define it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaigankun (talk • contribs) 21:51, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  True University 

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