Talk:Sága and Sökkvabekkr

message: Here's what's in Finnur Jónsson's Lexicon Poeticum and Ordbog til rímur.
===Kennings for a woman===
* Sága jötna róma, Sága of voices of jötnar, Griplur, 15th century
* menja Sága, Sága of necklaces, Herburtsrímur, 15th century
* hirði-Sága hornflœðar, keeper-Sága of horn-flood, Grettis saga, 14th century
* gulls Sága, Sága of gold, Meyjadrápa, 14th century
* síks elda Sága, Sága of fires of ditch, Kátrínardrápa, 14th century
* linns eiða Sága, Sága of isthmuses of worm, Kátrínardrápa, 14th century
* sveigar Sága, Sága of snood, Njáls saga, age unclear
* saums Sága, Sága of seam, Hallfreðr vandræðaskáld, ca. 1000
* síðernis Sága OR dregils Sága, Sága of robe OR Sága of ribbon, Kormákr Ögmundarson, 10th century
* sigli-Sága, jewelry-Sága, Kormákr Ögmundarson, 10th century
* öl-Sága, ale-Sága, Kormákr Ögmundarson, 10th century
* saums Sága, Sága of seam, Gísli Súrsson, 10th century
* lœgis log-Sága, flame-Sága of sea, Gísli Súrsson, 10th century
===Kennings for valkyrie/battle===
* folka Sága, Sága of battles, Hrafn Önundarson, ca. 1000
* dolga Sága, Sága of battles, Vellekla, 10th century
* rifjunga Sága, Sága of swords, Gráfeldardrápa, 10th century
:Great, this definitely needs to be in the article! :bloodofox: (talk) 20:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How about: "In skaldic poetry the name Sága is used several times in kennings for women. The name is already used in such a way by the 10th century poet Kormákr Ögmundarson and remains in use in the Icelandic religious poetry and rímur of the Late Middle Ages. The name was also used in valkyrie kennings by Einarr Helgason and two other 10th century poets." Haukur (talk) 14:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me, though I'd make that "battle/valkyrie kennings" and we might want to bring out the "two other 10th century poets" a specifically; either the names of the works or the names of the author (if known). . :bloodofox: (talk) 18:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm always slightly worried about getting too specific because we have questions of authenticity. Finnur Jónsson believed the verses attributed to Hrafn Önundarson are authentic but I'm not sure if later scholars agree. But I think the poetry attributed to Einarr Helgason and Glúmr Geirason is very likely to be authentic. Haukur (talk) 19:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, slap a reference on it and I am A-OK with your original proposal. :} :bloodofox: (talk) 19:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kennings

message: * folka Sága, Sága of battles, Hrafn Önundarson, ca. 1000
* dolga Sága, Sága of battles, Vellekla, 10th century
* rifjunga Sága, Sága of swords, Gráfeldardrápa, 10th century
:Great, this definitely needs to be in the article! :bloodofox: (talk) 20:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How about: "In skaldic poetry the name Sága is used several times in kennings for women. The name is already used in such a way by the 10th century poet Kormákr Ögmundarson and remains in use in the Icelandic religious poetry and rímur of the Late Middle Ages. The name was also used in valkyrie kennings by Einarr Helgason and two other 10th century poets." Haukur (talk) 14:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me, though I'd make that "battle/valkyrie kennings" and we might want to bring out the "two other 10th century poets" a specifically; either the names of the works or the names of the author (if known). . :bloodofox: (talk) 18:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm always slightly worried about getting too specific because we have questions of authenticity. Finnur Jónsson believed the verses attributed to Hrafn Önundarson are authentic but I'm not sure if later scholars agree. But I think the poetry attributed to Einarr Helgason and Glúmr Geirason is very likely to be authentic. Haukur (talk) 19:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, slap a reference on it and I am A-OK with your original proposal. :} :bloodofox: (talk) 19:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kennings for valkyrie/battle