Talk:Lough Neagh/Archive 1

message: So at what point in history did the Earls of Shaftesbury "acquire" Lough Neagh? Where did they buy it, in a Lough shop? Going cheap, was it?--feline1 16:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ownership of the Lough

message: Can we stop the trollfest vandalism of this article, please?
The geographical term British Isles is clearly defined in its own wikipedia article and not intended as a political insult to citizens of Eire. (And Lough Neagh isn't even in Eire anyways, its in the UK!).--feline1 17:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what do we do about this political troll from "62.77.181.11" ?  They clearly have no support for their views amoungst other editors, but still they persist in reverting the article. This has been going on for weeks. Shouldn't action be taken under the 3-revert-rule?--feline1 14:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Asinine political troll wars

message: Might I also suggest that the suggested pronunciation in IPA characters of the lake's name in Irish be changed? Surely the vowel in the second syllable of "nEathach" should be a schwa rather than a distinct vowel? I would say [lox n'ahəx]] but then again I speak broad West Kerry Irish so I leave this to someone more knowledgeable of Ulster Irish, particularly of historic East Ulster Irish. An Muimhneach Machnamhach 15:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In Ulster Irish, the second syllable of nEathach indeed has a full [a] vowel, not a schwa. (At least, this is true of Donegal Irish; I don't know if it's true of the historical accents around Neagh itself.) User:Angr 15:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, East Ulster Irish is "extinct", but arguably still survives in the majority of placenames for the area - thus the name "Neagh" surely is still "Irish", albeit written in some attempt at an anglicised orthography? "Neagh" isn't an English word! Any native of the area pronounces it the same way they'd say the English word "nay" (which isn't *quite* the same was BBC English would pronounce "nay" - a ulsterman will tend to have a bit of a dipthong on the main vowel, and trail off the "y" onto an "uh" sound)
Why on earth would a British lake need a Irish pronunciation? Wikipedia is not the place for republican propoganda.
YourPTR! 14:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Pronunciation 

message: I have already corrected the misspelling of "Fionn mac Cumhaill" as "Fionn mac Cumhail". Nobody ever writes "Fionn mac Cumhail" but I see the incorrect spelling has been reinserted into the text. The final "l" is, historically at least, a tense labial consonant according to traditional terminology, hence the double "l". "Finn mac Cool" is nothing more than anglicised gobledgook. An Muimhneach Machnamhach 11:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was me... I did it because the article is Fionn mac Cumhail.  In the article, it says that "Cumhaill" is an old spelling.  If that's not the case, I'd suggest moving the article to Fionn mac Cumhaill, and then correcting this page to point to the new name.  However, for the moment, I'm going to change this page back to point to Fionn mac Cumhail to be consistent with the main article.  I'm not an expert on the subject by any stretch of the imagination - just taking my information from the main article!  Robwingfield (talk) 14:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just seen your comment on Talk:Fionn mac Cumhail, so I've moved the article to Fionn mac Cumhaill on your behalf.  Robwingfield (talk) 14:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Good stuff! Without getting too technical, Irish is an inflectional language in which cases etc. are commonly indicated by altering the ending of a word. This is particularly so in the case of nouns. Cumhall is a masculine proper name. The genitive form of which is Cumhaill (in other words "Cumhaill" means "of Cumhall", or "belonging to Cumhall"). In other words the final "l" is palatilised or "slenderised" in traditional terminology. Cumhall is pronounced /ku:L/ or /ku:l/ and Cumhaill ("of Cumhall") is pronounced /ku:L'/ or /ku:l'/. I can't see the symbol which indicates a palatilised consonant below so I resorted to using an apostrophe! Anyway, that's in a nutshell! I used to teach Irish grammar classes at university and Irish linguistics lectures for a while as well. Thanks for letting me know! An Muimhneach Machnamhach 14:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem!  Thanks for the info on the grammar, by the way.  I'm a novice linguist myself... currently learning Russian.  Irish can't be any harder than that!  ;-)  Robwingfield (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fionn mac Cumhaill

message: The first paragraph in Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Units_of_measurement says Conversions should generally be included and not be removed. yet User:Setanta747 has removed the kilometre equivalents for miles. No explanation is given, so I've reverted this edit. If you want the units the other way round, then fine, but don't remove valuable information needlessly. Bazza 15:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The United Kingdom uses miles for location distances. I edited this in the midst of editing a load of other articles, and I was not aware of the policy which you have pointed out (although it is more of a "general" guideline). I will edit again, but include the km measurements. --Mal 01:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Units of measurement 

message: Actually, is really Lough Neagh the third in Europe? The voice states that it's after Lake Geneva and Costance.. But Lake Balaton and Lake Ladoga?? They are the largest in Europe! Kanchelskis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.18.136.83 (talk) 18:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it reads it's the third largest in Western Europe, not Europe, which is correct. Ben W Bell talk 08:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh right! I didn't read it carefully maybe. Thank you.Kanchelskis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.18.136.83 (talk) 09:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not correct anyway: List of largest lakes of Western Europe —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.18.136.83 (talk) 09:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it is, that list is wrong. Sweden and Norway aren't counted as being in Western Europe. Someone has recently added them. Ben W Bell talk 10:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, sorry then! Kanchelskis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.18.136.83 (talk) 19:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It is obviously not the largest lake and according to Wikipedia's ranking it is not even in the top three. Let's settle this by stating it's among the ten largest lakes of western Europe. Marquz 10:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third? 

message: Hi. Why is there no mention of how high the surface of this lough/loch/lake is above sea level? Is it notable enough to include? I know it's about 0 - 100 metres (m) above sea level (asl), but I wanted to know the actual height. Anyone have a source? Thanks. AstroHurricane001(Talk+Contribs+Ubx) 00:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  altitude/elevaton 

message: Shouldn't this say list of British loughs, lochs, lakes and llyns? Ireland refers to the Republic even though it doesn't cover the whole of the island. Lough Neagh is within the United Kingdom (and long may it continue to be) and is British not Irish! YourPTR! 17:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I'm right in saying that it's Wikipedia convention to use Ireland in refernce to the whole island and explicitly specify Republic of Ireland where only the republic is concerned. The List of Irish loughs certainly refers to the whole island. And if you think about it logically, this makes sense: it's logical to segment articles about human institutions along political lines but to segment natural phenomena along geographcial lines. Doops |  talk 20:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are indeed correct, that is the convention. It is used when there is ambiguity over the name. If there is no question about it being the state referred to (generally only in articles on the Republic of Ireland itself, though there are others) then it can use Ireland but Ireland is more generally used for the island on Wikipedia, and definitely when Northern Ireland is concerned to avoid confusion on behalf of the reader. Ben W Bell talk 08:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also