Talk:Requiem (Fauré)

message: This article currently has many drawbacks, among them a consistent POV. Examples:
*"one of the most popular Requiems"
*"It is widely considered to be one of the most beautiful Requiems"
*The work is remarkably innovative"
*"Particularly enjoyable parts are the emotive Introit and Kyrie, the powerful baritone aria from the Offertoire: "Hostias et preces tibi", the soaring Sanctus, and the pristine soprano solo, "Pie Jesu". "
The author has also qualified specific quotes such as "Fauré said that his Requiem was composed "for the fun of it": he could easily, however, have been speaking disingenuously when saying this."
This is not encyclopedic.
I am now rewriting this article. Please feel free to comment or contribute. --MarkBuckles 23:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have completed a rewrite of this entire article. It still needs more specific information on the music, but I think it has come quite a long way. Comments welcome. --MarkBuckles 02:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Tried to clarify this. MarkBuckles  (talk) 04:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

text: *grin* I think it's important that the composers own sentiment be included here. MarkBuckles  (talk) 04:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: Can anyone provide a source for this: "The Requiem is also acknowledged as a source of inspiration for the similar setting by Maurice Duruflé." I believe Duruflé acknowledged it, but I'd rather not post it for now until we can cite it. --MarkBuckles 02:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences

message: Can someone replace the silly picture in the lead? Rintrah 15:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any suggestions? It's the score. We could use a picture of Faure, but the score is more specifically related to the piece. MarkBuckles  (talk) 04:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The music's out of copyright (and obtainable on CPDL), how aboutthe openig few bars or something, rather than a pretty dull cover (which is presumably fair-use anyway?)  David Underdown 09:19, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How's that look? MarkBuckles  (talk) 22:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: What's the best CD of the Requiem? I used to have a Nonesuch LP (out of print). I prefer the high soloist to be a boy soprano (or sound like one). Softlavender (talk) 09:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We're supposed only to discuss improvements to the article here.  That said, try BBC Radio 3's Building a library to see if they have recommendations, or look for something like the Penguin recording guide.  David Underdown (talk) 12:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the best CD? 

message: Did Rutter really use the American spelling of "favourite"? - Tim riley (talk) 17:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote appears to be from a US edition - they probably "corrected" his spelling.  Unless we can find the same foreword in OUP, we'll probably have to leave it.  David Underdown (talk) 20:59, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authenticity of the third version - "favorite" 

message: Gurren Lagann (2007), Libera Me was featured in the episode 26 as an adaptation mixed with rap: "Libera Me From Hell".
I'm irritated. I don't hear any resemblance between both pieces. I think they just share the lyrics. Who claimed this in the first place? --Carminox (talk) 22:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gurren Lagann's "Libera Me From Hell" ≠ Fauré's "Libera me" 

message: I expanded the lead to give more of an overview of the article.  It seems to me that you need a performance history section, and the Critical reception section needs a discussion of what critics have said about the piece.  I left some hidden comments about these issues.  Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:33, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: This source says the conductor was Paul Taffanel and not Eugène Ysaÿe. Perhaps Grove has something? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing ad rem in Grove's article on the work or either man. Nectoux (p. 514) says in his chronology "1900 … 12 July: Trocadéro (Universal Exhibition), first official performance of full orchestra version of Requiem, conducted by Paul Taffanel (250 performers)". The "official" is a bit cryptic, but Duchen gives 12 July 1900 as the date of the f.p. of the full orch version, which seems to confirm Nectoux. As neither of the existing citations in the article actually mentions either April or Ysaÿe I think we can safely amend the date and the conductor's name.  What do you think? – Tim riley (talk) 08:13, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That would seem to be a very sensible update. Perhaps Nectoux should be added as a source also? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:22, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. I'll do the necessary. Glad you spotted this! Tim riley (talk) 17:02, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  1900 Premiere 

message: Prior to edit (9 Nov 2014), the opening line of the TEXT section read "Most of the text is in Latin, except for the Kyrie which is Koine Greek." However, I find NO reference or related materials regarding the Catholic text Kyrie in "Koine Greek"; I have thus removed this remark. On the contrary, I have searched online and found a number of pages (apparently) copying directly from WIKI, and included this what possibly could be misinformation. (Side note, I am working on this page as a research course assignment for my Masters studies in composition. Continuing editing some sections. Sincere regards to all.) Ernest.ongaku (talk) 15:09, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course Kyrie eleison is Greek not Latin! Κύριε, ἐλέησον! And I hope He does! Am reverting your well-meaning but misguided effort. Tim riley talk  16:16, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Tim, did you mean to revert the added references as well? Kyrie (does one ever see it italicized as a foreign word in Latin books?) is part of the Latin Mass, and it's etymology seems more like footnote material. Sparafucil (talk) 23:15, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection to footnoting it (grateful to hear others' views before actioning this), but we must be accurate. Kyrie eleison is not in either of the Latin dictionaries on my shelves, but of course they are both based on classical Latin. Whether the Greek words have been granted their naturalisation papers, so to speak, in Church Latin I am not competent to say, but the (rather impressive) WP article on Kyrie suggests not. Additional info? Within reason, the more the better, I'd say, if in decent English and following citation style. Tim riley talk  11:32, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think every article mentioning Kyrie (I don't italicise any more, it's become a proper name) should have a footnote, but the linked article should explain why we have Greek in the mass which some call Latin. We need to say "Latin" once because there are masses in other languages, such as Deutsche Messe, especially Deutsche Messe (Schubert). - Different topic (if I may): is there a category for works on Latin texts which are no hymns? Looking at my latest (under construction, translated from French but I don't speak French so help welcome) Da pacem Domine (Pärt). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

text:  Wanted in the context: Da pacem Domine, found "Morning Prayer. Versicles". The Book of Common Prayer. 7th century hymn. - Well, for now I will use category hymn then, but reluctantly so. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't help you on categories, Gerda: I'm a complete ignoramus on the subject. Never really saw the practical point of them. On the other matter, my French causes much pain in Paris, but I can read it tolerably well and I'll gladly look in at your work-in-progress in the next day or two. My internet access will be sporadic for a while (living in two flats at once, one of them without broadband yet), so forgive me if I'm tardy. Tim riley talk  13:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem, making progress for the composition. The words are the incipit of two texts, to make things more complicated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text possible mis-info edit-out 

message: * Consistency. And WP:ITALICS. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 09:16, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Will try. My father died today, in the mood for Requiem. Mozart is on the Main page, and is in bad condition, I will not have time for that, will you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So very sorry to read this. I've sent you an email, dear Gerda. Tim riley talk  09:58, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. Tried to fix. The Latin names of the movements are without italics or quotation marks, but Libera me is additionally sometimes his earlier standalone composition (then italic), sometimes a piece of text, then quotation marks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libera me, Libera Me, quotation marks, none 

message: When I helped improving this article - in collaboration, mainly with Tim riley who did the groundwork - I thought of Wikipedians who died: Wadewitz (8 April 2014, two years ago today), Cindamuse (11 April 2014), Viva-Verdi (March 2015) and Dreadstar (January 2016), thinking of them in the quiet way Fauré's music gave us forever. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dedication 

message: I am new to Wikipedia but I noticed that the Robert Shaw, Judith Blegen, James Morris, etc. recording is miscategorized as following the 1900 version. I have not seen the physical source referenced but the liner notes state unequivocally that it uses the 1984 edition by John Rutter of the 1893 version. If no one minds, I'd like to move this recording into the 1893 section citing the liner notes of the CD itself. Mchernen (talk) 22:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Note about versions