Talk:Isle of Mull

message: The area is given in hectares, but the Skye article gives its area in square kilometres. Is there a policy?Manormadman (talk) 02:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening comment 

message: To be consistent this article should be moved to Mull, Scotland. Its name is not "Isle of Mull" anymore than "Glasgow" is the "City of Glasgow". Ben MacDui 15:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it is not Isle of Westray, but it is "Isle of Gigha", "Isle of Bute" and "Isle of Arran". All these can be shortened and the choice needs to be based on what is least confusing and easy to find. A dab page is likely to be used from the other. Finavon (talk) 18:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Good work - the pre-existing dab page was way out of order. Ben MacDui 14:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename

message: As I see it there are 3 possibilities:
# Status quo - island article is named Isle of Mull, Mull is disambiguation page, Mull (disambiguation) is redirect to the dab page.
# Keep island at Isle of Mull (ie the common name of the island is "Isle of Mull"), but also accept that the island is the primary usage of "Mull": make Mull into a redirect to the island article, with a hatnote pointing to Mull (disambiguation) which is the dab page currently at Mull.
# Move island to Mull, with redirect  hatnote  to Mull (disambiguation), and redirect Isle of Mull to Mull.
We need to answer two questions:
* What title ought the article on the island to have?
* Is there a primary usage for the word "Mull" (and, if so, is it the island)?
I reckon that the island (best known as "Isle of Mull") is probably also the primary usage for "Mull", so would have been WP:BOLD and moved the dab page to Mull (disambiguation) (making a redirect from "Mull" to Isle of Mull as in 2nd option above), but I see it has an edit history so that wouldn't work without going to WP:RM, so I'll invite comments here before doing that. Any thoughts?
:I don't think it is a big deal, and:
:*Primary usage - the first five pages of my ghits are all about the island of Mull in one guise or another. In Scotland at least if I said "I am going to Mull for the weekend" I can't imagine many people would reply "which one"? 
:*There is no doubt that many people refer to "the Isle of Mull" but that does not make it the island's name. Here are a few sources:
:::: Section 3.3 - "Mull"
:::Murray, W.H. (1966) The Hebrides. London. Heinemann: Chapter 10 - "Mull".
:::Johnstone et al (1990) The Corbetts. SMC. p. 228 "the island of Mull".
:These are just the first three I picked up and the next two books were the same. Of the websites, of course any number refer to the "Isle of Mull" - but by and large they are selling the romantic notion of an island and/or providing a form of disambiguation rather than attempting a definitive naming. (The "Mull Railway" might conceivably be in one of several places, but the "Isle of Mull Railway" ensures there is no doubt). In short of the options described above: I prefer 3 (although I think you mean a "hatnote for Mull (disambiguation)" rather than a redirect); then 2; then 1. Ben MacDui 16:15, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I fear that the OS must have been infiltrated by single ladies of a certain age. Ben MacDui 19:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is probably the headland to which they attach the name, not the whole peninsula. Finavon (talk) 19:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 way split re naming 

message: I've just made a formal WP:RM for this, after inconclusive discussion here. PamD (talk) 19:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to move [[Mull]] to [[Mull (disambiguation)]] 

message: I don't want to get into an edit war over this: lostfort.blogspot.com is not a reliable source; neither is shipmodeling.net. I've posted my references, maybe you've seen the article on the ship, what is the problem?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 05:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to be clear on the ship names floating around. There was no Spanish ship named the Florida; the Florencia made it back to port safely; and there were at least nine ships in the fleet with the name San Juan. The Tobermory ship was apparently named by the Spanish as Santa Maria de Gracia y san Jan Bautista, but it is known as the San Juan de Silicia to differentiate it from the other ships in the Armada that were named after St John the Baptist.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it appears to be too late for that -- you've already reverted twice without justification.  You removed content without explaining why.  The proper Wikipedia procedure is to add new content to what is already there.  I tried to fix what you did by incorporating your new content and references into the existing content, but you reverted it back to your version of events.  Why do you insist on removing another version of the story, when there is clear evidence in the literature that there is dispute about which ship was involved, and what actually happened, and even what name the ship carried?  Also, your say-so is not sufficient to brand a source as "unreliable" -- I don't see anything on those sites that fits the Wikipedia definition of "unreliable."  So unless you can provide a much better reason for removing properly referenced content, I'm going to put it back. DoctorJoeE (talk) 15:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

text: To clarify the applicable guideline violation, eliminating all versions except the one you favor constitutes adding commentary or your own personal analysis, which violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia.  Unless you can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that your version of events is correct, both versions need to be in the article.  And since the only thing everyone seems to agree on re: this incident is that nobody knows exactly what happened, I don't think you're going to be able to do that. DoctorJoeE (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a subject with which I am familiar, but Brian's references seem rather more credible than lostfort.blogspot.com (which would probably be subject to bot removal anyway). If there are genuinely credible sources that assert alternatives then by all means add either a sentence or two, or perhaps a "Note" (see e.g. List of Outer Hebrides#References and footnotes). Ben MacDui 16:36, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia does not work on "my source is more credible than your source."  Sources are either valid or they are not.  The cited sources have been in the article for a long time, untouched by any bots.  Since Brianann MacAmhlaidh removed them, the burden is on him or her to show that they are not credible, other than just saying so.  And if such proof is not provided, I will put them back in.  Also, since the new references are in print, and not online, it is difficult to verify that they back up his or her contention that that version of the tale is true, to the exclusion of all other versions.  I hope I can find some time to get to the library and look them up.  I also object to the rewrite itself, which is not particularly well-written, and eliminates references to the treasure and other important details. DoctorJoeE (talk) 21:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of further discussion, I am restoring the content that was deleted.  As a reminder, I am not removing anything Brianann MacAmhlaidh added, simply restoring the content that was removed without adequate explanation. DoctorJoeE (talk) 13:24, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  .. and in the absence of any genuine agreement on the subject I have undone this. I will attempt some sort of compromise solution in due course but unfortunately I have no time right now. Ben MacDui 18:05, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

text: Sorry, that makes no sense -- no one ever provided any justification for removing the previous content, so I added it back, while retaining the new content.  That's a compromise.  If you want to change the content in the future, you should work from all versions of the story, not just the one favored by one editor. DoctorJoeE (talk) 18:41, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If the Florida never existed, and the Florencia made it home, why exactly are we mentioning them as if they are both legitimate candidates for the identity of the sunken ship? Why are we using random websites and blogs, and uncritically treating them as equal to published books on the Armada? The couple books I got out of the library all gave the ship's identity as the San Juan de Silicia, they show how the other theories are out-dated and wrong - that's why I want that stuff removed. We're supposed to choose the best sources available to us and follow them. It's not an improvement to include every nugget of out-dated information into an article and treat it as equal to the current understanding of a particular topic. It's not a compromise to treat everything as equal and legitimate if our sources don't. That's my problem with 'your version'.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:DoctorJoeE]] 

message: Is it possible to add two additional external links to this page?  These are : 
Tobermory Harbour Association - www.tobermoryharbour.co.uk
Tobermory Golf Club - www.tobermorygolfclub.com
I think these could be useful links for information to the social and professional visitors.
81.136.141.237 (talk) 15:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional External Links Requests 

message: When I was a primary school, I read an article called "Mac the Rascal from Mull" that was obviously about some one from this island. Does any one think that this article could have a section in it called "Stories or folklore that comes from or is set in Mull"? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:19, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Story about Mac

message: Glenforsa is not notable enough for its own article, but could be merged to Isle of Mull#Transport. Boleyn (talk) 19:25, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal: [[Glenforsa]] here 

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thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018) 

message: "The Post Office built an experimental wireless telegraph station on Meall an Inbhire near Tobermory in 1892.[29]"
Is that location specifically identified?  The Post Office Tobermory wireless station (GCA) is in various lists from that period but the Lat / Long is down in Tobermory.  There is a photograph of it in the museum also.  I understood it was around the Southern end of Argyll Terrace.
Meall an Inbhire was used as an Admiralty wireless station in WWII, then became a Post Office microwave station but not seen any suggestion it dated back to the 19th Century and no evidence on site.  jmb (talk) 13:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see no sign of this reference on-line. I suggest either deleting the sentence altogether or, if you have some kind of source for Tobermory itself, adding that and removing the reference to the hill. Ben MacDui 18:24, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wireless Station 

message: This is an odd way of approaching the listing/description of settlements on Mull - by being either OS or non-OS. What's the rationale?  Geopersona (talk) 07:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: See User:Crouch, Swale/Isle of Mull, those like Kilninian are OS settlements and show up as "[Other Settlement]" and appear on List of United Kingdom locations, those like Pennygown aren't and show up as "[other features]" or not at all but some other sources call them settlements. Crouch, Swale (talk)  21:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  OS settlements?