Talk:Siegfried & Roy

message: The sexual orientation issue is, unfortunately, due to publicity and rumor, something that I think should be addressed in this article, and I think that short paragraph does so in an NPOV manner.  Anyway the cutting of it smacks of saying "this is something we should be ashamed of."  (And it was throwing off the HTML formatting. <g>) - Hephaestos 00:57, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think to broach an issue as private and intimate as sexual orientation would be a gross invasion of their lives. There were similar rumors around Liberace and more currently Richard Simmons. Yet in public life, people rarely ever mention or acknowledge their private bedroom preference. Even among Presidents such as Bush and now Obama, who among us would dare ask the gender of their sex partner or even more outrageous, the identity of their bedroom lover? The mystery of sexual orientation has almost never been discussed of public figures, and it would be highly improper to discuss it of these two distinguished and respected men. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.74.65.48 (talk • contribs)   -- Banjeboi 12:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mystery? The only reason to hide it would be if they had expressed a wish to keep their lives private, or if you felt it was a shameful thing. 170.135.241.46 (talk) 14:52, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The only question I have is why they are categorized as being LGBT from Germany, but there is no mention of it in the article? If you're going to label them as gay, you should probably mention it in the article. If their sexuality is something that they choose not to broadcast, then the tag should be removed. I don't see how having one but not the other is beneficial, either from a standpoint of their privacy or a WP article. 66.214.185.231 (talk) 18:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  This has been an open secret for many years just like the aforementioned Liberace and Richard Simmons.  Everyone knew.  Since "privacy" is mentioned earlier, did I miss the part where Wikipedia is now concerned about personal privacy?  There are numerous articles that discuss such information with no such issues.  This article should be treated no different as any other article. DEWY CHEATEM AND HOWE (talk) 09:35, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: sexual orientation

message: As it is now, the indexing is not working correctly.  Both Siegried and Roy each have their own categories, and their individual names do not appear in the categories, rather simply Siegried & Roy under "H" or "F".  What is the way to fix this problem? GilliamJF 07:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indexing categories 

message: The Montecore article has no information that is not in this article, and no other tigers of theirs have or require articles of their own. Montecore has significance only within the context of the injury, and so because Wikipedia is not a dictionary, the name should redirect here.  --Darksasami 15:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, one hundred percent.  ekedolphin 08:48, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Montecore 

message: Who shared living quarters--S and R, or S&R and Spielberg?  If they do not live with Spielberg then that sentence should be separated from the other 65.166.248.38 17:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shared living quarters? 

message: "Sigfried and Roy" should redirect here. Fix please...
[2007]
: Seven years later there are numerous redirects including several for variant names:
: What redirects here?
: --P64 (talk) 21:55, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirects

message: are the 2 of them lovers
[2007]
:Not anymore, say the German press. Bossk-Office 21:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  lovers 

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: There is possibly an error in the following section:
"Horn was listed in critical condition for several weeks thereafter, and was said to have suffered a stroke and partial paralysis. Doctors removed one-quarter of his leg to relieve the pressure of his swelling brain during an operation known as a decompressive craniectomy. The portion of leg was placed in a pouch in Horn's stomagh in the hope of replacing it later"
Decompressive craniectomy is a procedure where a section of the SKULL is removed temporarily to relieve intercranial pressure from a swelling brain, NOT a section of a person's leg. That makes no sense - and the suggestion that a portion of a leg could or would be placed in a 'pouch in the stomach' is just ridiculous.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.127.201 (talk) 14:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

message: Unless I missed it, there is no mention in this article of their one-time romantic relationship, which seems very odd.  Exploding Boy 21:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lovers

message: Admittedly it might not have happened if I had started reading the article at the start instead of in the middle, but I found this article hard to read because I didn't know who "Fischbacher" was. I had to go all the way to the start to find out, and on the way I passed references to "Siegfried".
I would suggest that the article make a choice, and either call them "Siegfried" and "Roy" consistently, or "Fishbacher" and "Horn" consistently. The latter choice is the one that better fits with WP bios in general, but it's awkward in this article because of the fact that the act has to be called "Siegfried & Roy". So I won't express an opinion on which is the better choice, but I do really strongly suggest that a consistent choice be made. --Trovatore (talk) 22:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistent naming choice for readability 

message: This article is almost a poster child for why Wikipedia's image policies are damaging to Wikipedia. That said it is rather fitting that the only live creature illustrated by photograph in this article is a cat. 68.146.41.232 (talk) 22:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ah, the image policy at work

message: The article currently says:
:It is disputed whether or not the tiger intentionally attacked Horn
It may seem normal that when someone is injured by a tiger, the automatic assumption is they were intentionally attacked. But skimming that section I don't see any suggestion anyone believes he was intentionally attacked. If it's not widely believed, as covered in reliable sources, that he was not intentionally attacked then would some alternative phrasing be better? Nil Einne (talk) 14:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is no dispute. Siegfried has explained what happened and no one that was there has indicated otherwise. How did this get so cocked up with rumor and hearsay ? Rmayhem (talk) 23:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed the tag and the quoted sentence. The tag said it is 18 months old. This discussion indicates it is 6 months old. In either case that is too long. It needs to be resolved. Nick Beeson (talk) 04:43, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed? 

message: they are Germans. Not German Americans. German Americans are people who are born in America of German descent.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.76.44.75 (talk) 22:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorrect. German-American is a U.S. citizen of German decent, regardless of place of birth. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 01:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  german americans? 

message: Something should be added about their charity work with tigers, which is what they do mostly now.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.250.168.91 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charity 

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message: What is is the correct name of the tiger? Media uses both. Who is the authority? 
It looks like a silly nitpicking, but there are technical issues of consistency with redirects, disambigs, dabnotes, etc. For example, this article uses MOntecore, while Manticore (disambiguation) says it is MAntecore, etc. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:55, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montecore or Mantecore? 

message: Were these who who were born during Hitler's reign born to supporters of the Nazi leaders? Could they even be the Aryan babies Hitler and the Nazis were encouraging at that time? Any background information on their families and their involvement with the political and war happenings at the time of their birth? 113.53.155.112 (talk) 11:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Background of the duo? 

message: Here is a decent source that covers this reasonably well. The truth about Siegfried & Roy: the duo have never denied their past romantic relationship. So why is the media ignoring it? Advocate, The,  Nov 11, 2003  by Steve Friess. 
I'm working on a number of other projects but am happy to assist writing and adding something if no one else is up to it. Banjeboi 14:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How about now? 68.197.116.79 (talk) 03:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past romantic relationship 

message: Rockchalk717, the claim you made here is incorrect: Template:Infobox_person/doc explicitly states that cause of death "should only be included when the cause of death has significance for the subject's notability", not just if sourced. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of death 

message: In the 'Other names' section of the infobox it gives the name "SARMOTI" , but this doesn't appear anywhere in the main article. I can work out what it stands for (though that's probably WP:OR !), but does the use of the abbreviation serve any useful purpose? JezGrove (talk) 20:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess "Siegfried and Roy, Masters of the Innerverse". Somewhat confident of the first part. But yeah, infoboxes shouldn't hint at things left unsaid. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

text: Just checked, six out of seven. Not bad! Since the answer is right there, the acronym is fine (presuming they were ever called that, anyway). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:22, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Doh! There's a SARMOTI disambiguation page which explains a lot but none of the claims are referenced or mentioned in the S&R article. JezGrove (talk) 08:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Got me thinking...is it Siegfried and Roy or Siegfried & Roy? Because as I've said countless times in my years of edit summarizing, ampersands suck. But they're tolerable if they're brand names, I guess. Someone should count up everything ever published on the matter, someday. For now, thanks for sharing the true meaning of "I". Good luck with that box, one way or another! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  SARMOTI 

message: Is there any indication that Joe Exotic modeled his persona and his career on these two Tiger Kings? This book contains many parallels between these men, but that could be simply a coincidence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.252.99.62 (talk) 14:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If the book itself compares somehow, that could be noteworthy. If it only reminds you of the new guy, it's something to think about, just not something for the article. Like how Battle Cat and Battle Kat are strikingly similar once you look past their petty differences. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:58, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Original [[Tiger King]]s

message: https://m.bild.de/unterhaltung/leute/leute/siegfried-fischbacher-tot-magier-stirbt-nach-schwerem-krebsleiden-in-las-vegas-74888518.bildMobile.html
The magician, who became known together with Roy and his white lions, closed his eyes forever on Wednesday evening at 11.30 p.m. German time. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 12:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , sorry. BILD is an unreliable source, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Bild. Blablubbs|talk 13:00, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siegfried 

message: In the section "Aftermath and retirement":
"On March 19, 2014, Montecore died after a brief illness. He was 17 years old.[24]"
The 2nd sentence should be: "He was 71 years old."
WDeeraa (talk) 14:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: do you really think the tiger lived to be 71 years old? -- WikiMax (talk) 15:18, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo 

message: The lede sentence is supposed to treat citizenship/nationality and not ethnicity. They are/were clearly American citizens. Where is the evidence of their German citizenship? I say they don't have it. Please modify the lede sentence to read "American" only. Elizium23 (talk) 20:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We have WP:RS indicating they were naturalized US citizens. We have no WP:RS indicating that they maintained dual-citizenship, which would have been remarkable by WP:RS so you be the judge. Elizium23 (talk) 04:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship 

message: ===Filmography===
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TL6geQr1lLo&feature=share YouTube video upload by the rightfull owner of the shot footage Bassie en Adriaan Channel.
In 1993 dutch tv crew Bas en Aad van Toor came to Las Vegas to shoot a scene with Sigfried and Roy for their movie: Bassie & Adriaan de reis vol verassingen. English translation: Bassie and Adrian and the journey of surprises. 
Siegfried and roy played a small role in that movie, so it should be listed in the Filmography. 
Edit: reliable source: https://www.adriaan-homepage.nl/nieuwtjes/
Please scroll down to 14-01-2021 for    the statement and some (behind the scenes) pictures of Siegfried and roy and the Dutch film crew. 
Vandaag bereikte ons het trieste nieuws dat Siegfried Frischbacher, beter bekent als Siegfried van het wereldberoemde illusionisten duo Siegfried en Roy, op 81 jarige leeftijd is overleden.
Today we heard the sad news that Siegfried Frischenbacher, better known as Siegfried from the world famous illusionist duo Siegfried and Roy, has Passed at the age of 81.
In de jaren ’70 hebben we verschillende maanden met Siegfried en Roy gewerkt en hebben aan die tijd vele warme herinneringen.
In the seventies we worked several months with Siegfried and roy and we have lots of warm memories of that time
 
Het waren niet alleen bijzonder goede artiesten maar ook zeer sympathieke collega's. In Las Vegas, de stad waarin ze vier keer de onderscheiding voor beste variéténummer van de wereld ontvingen, hebben we ze nog een paar maal ontmoet.
They weren't only especially good artists but also very sympathetic colleagues. In Las Vegas, the city where they got awarded 4 times best variety show worldwide, we have met them a few times. 
 
En ze werkten ook mee in onze TV serie “Bassie en Adriaan en de reis door Amerika”.  Siegfried en Roy zijn nu beiden overleden, maar hun geweldige show en hun naam zal nog lang herinnerd worden.
And they played a role in our tv series "bassie en Adriaan en de reis door America (originally Bassie en Adriaan en de reis vol verassingen) siegfried and Roy now both passed, but their great show and their name will long be remembered. 
2A02:A45F:AF7C:1:FC46:BEB1:6EA6:73F1 (talk) 23:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Specifically a secondary source. ––Formal (talk) 03:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2022 

message: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TL6geQr1lLo&feature=share YouTube video upload by the rightfull owner of the shot footage Bassie en Adriaan Channel.
In 1993 dutch tv crew Bas en Aad van Toor came to Las Vegas to shoot a scene with Sigfried and Roy for their movie: Bassie & Adriaan de reis vol verassingen. English translation: Bassie and Adrian and the journey of surprises. 
Siegfried and roy played a small role in that movie, so it should be listed in the Filmography. 
Edit: reliable source: https://www.adriaan-homepage.nl/nieuwtjes/
Please scroll down to 14-01-2021 for    the statement and some (behind the scenes) pictures of Siegfried and roy and the Dutch film crew. 
Vandaag bereikte ons het trieste nieuws dat Siegfried Frischbacher, beter bekent als Siegfried van het wereldberoemde illusionisten duo Siegfried en Roy, op 81 jarige leeftijd is overleden.
Today we heard the sad news that Siegfried Frischenbacher, better known as Siegfried from the world famous illusionist duo Siegfried and Roy, has Passed at the age of 81.
In de jaren ’70 hebben we verschillende maanden met Siegfried en Roy gewerkt en hebben aan die tijd vele warme herinneringen.
In the seventies we worked several months with Siegfried and roy and we have lots of warm memories of that time
 
Het waren niet alleen bijzonder goede artiesten maar ook zeer sympathieke collega's. In Las Vegas, de stad waarin ze vier keer de onderscheiding voor beste variéténummer van de wereld ontvingen, hebben we ze nog een paar maal ontmoet.
They weren't only especially good artists but also very sympathetic colleagues. In Las Vegas, the city where they got awarded 4 times best variety show worldwide, we have met them a few times. 
 
En ze werkten ook mee in onze TV serie “Bassie en Adriaan en de reis door Amerika”.  Siegfried en Roy zijn nu beiden overleden, maar hun geweldige show en hun naam zal nog lang herinnerd worden.
And they played a role in our tv series "bassie en Adriaan en de reis door America (originally Bassie en Adriaan en de reis vol verassingen) siegfried and Roy now both passed, but their great show and their name will long be remembered. 
2A02:A45F:AF7C:1:FC46:BEB1:6EA6:73F1 (talk) 23:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Specifically a secondary source. ––Formal (talk) 03:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Filmography