Talk:Closed platform

message: could someone please add the link to http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/15/web-freedom-threat-google-brin and reference/footnote it to the mention of Facebook being a walled garden in the article. dont know how to do this, thanks. Ryu (talk) 14:36, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: adding link to newspaper interview

message: I added the bit about iTunes and iPod, I hope nobody minds.. I know Wikipedia is about saying things in good faith but how can you say something positive about a walled garden? Another example of a walled garden is Sprint's Cellphone WAP service, where developers were only allowed to debug their WAP sites through Sprint Cellphones (paying with their own purchased minutes). Sprint could have offered a cellphone emulator, but didn't. I was at the NYSIA panel about the future of Cellphone services in New York, and witnessed a Sales representative of Sprint giving a 20 question quiz delivered as a sales pitch and subsequently boo'd off stage after This and telling the developers that there was no developer's kit for the cellphones,  that everyone would have to work through the service.  The Walled Garden reference should point back to what a walled garden is - a garden with high walls that keep people in from getting out and people outside from getting in. This is why I referenced this term as a method of creating a monopoly or a way to secure a system or environment (like with a firewall).  In good faith you could see it as a process that businesses use to cash in on a special service, like MTV offers to advertisers selling viewers of MTV as a valuable commodity. MTV in this sense is a walled garden, as are every Television station.  In a sense, Patents and Copyrights can be used to protect artists and inventors from infringement, but major corporations hold patents and copyrights of their employees to keep the competitors out..  It's this exclusivity that attracts investors, which is the primary reason technologies are patented.  The methods that businesses use to corner a market are too numerous to mention, but the process is much the same.. The Walled Garden approach is just one of the many methods.. --Rofthorax 05:56, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: iTunes and iPod

message: The list of "Walled Gardens" has no sources at all. Does anyone know of any notable people claiming that all these technologies are "walled gardens"?
David Delony (talk) 00:20, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  No sources in list of walled gardens 

message: While the term might have been popularized by Engadget podcast, et al., I think it was a trade term that was used (even if not among popular culture) before Engadget podcast started.  And the article mentions that its history might go back a thousand years.  So it would probably be better to tone down the Engadget references a bit.
Also, per the "what good can you say?"...  A few businesses at least have thought walled gardens might be a good idea, otherwise they wouldn't have done it.  In terms of any possible benefit to consumers...  maybe it might be remotely conceivable that customers's telecom service would be lower priced because of the exclusivity agreements?  (eg. similar to the Preferred provider organization rationale).  I don't know...  --Interiot 08:21, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: With the introduction of network DRM beginning with World of Warcraft, and being forced to use network DRM with Starcraft 2 (battle.net not LAN) would Battle.net 2.0 be considered a walled garden? --Thespam 22:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle.net 2.0 

message: The concept of "walled gardens" and "orphan pages" in regards to information resources, shouldn't only be attributed to wikis, articles, or Wikipedia.  Isn't this concept a common pitfall of websites in general that are not made to be navigable, especially those that rely on searches too much?  I've seen many websites that exhibit these pitfalls.  I think this should be generalized to talk about "walled gardens" and "orphan pages" in regards to best practices on the Web in general.  Is there any reliable literature on this topic outside of Wikipedia?  --71.193.24.251 (talk) 00:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walled gardens only in Wikis? 

message: Whoever says the Kindle is a walled garden device has never used one. Here's how you use a kindle: Step One: plug it into your computer. Step Two: transfer text files from computer to Kindle. Step Three: conveniently read text files on a pocket-sized device with an ergonomic screen. The text files could be absolutely anything.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.28.91.176 (talk) 22:18, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kindle 

message: Walled garden in media is different than closed platform.  A closed platform is about technological lock ins.  A horticultural walled garden is about creating the conditions for particular plants to thrive, the media one is about creating conditions for particular ideas to thrive.  There are walled gardens of fraudulent web pages linked to each other to give the appearance of legitimacy (e.g. the product's web page links to fake trade magazine web page and fake blogs by happy customers, dig in and you'll see a common parent company or whatever).  A discussion about walled garden in media can include things like 'search bubbles' and the Facebook 'fake news' scandal of 2016. 
I think the media concept could be merged with the short horticultural page and 'walled garden media' could redirect there, they deal with fundamentally the same ideas: blocking something out, encouraging something within.
Aach (talk) 18:13, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Walled garden in media

message: While AOL may be the best example of a Walled Garden that has ever existed, the example seems to be way off base. 
When people were just learning about the internet, millions of people joined AOL and thought that because they were "online" they were on the internet, but they were not.  In fact they were on AOL's website which was a rich Walled Garden that provided a wide variety of services.  They were able to access that walled garden via either dial-up modem or an actual real ISP.   At the time it was common for people to receive two or three free AOL CDs in the mail every week so it required no thought and no knowledge to get the ball rolling.  Loosely speaking, AOL users were kind of the butt of the joke among "real internet" users, which is largely what caused the quick collapse of AOL membership.  There were no proud exAOL users.
The beautifully tended AOL Walled Garden, was an online service provider (OSP), and for example, was an email provider, a news provider, an entertainment provider (music, movies, porn), health information, a BBS service, and social media with active discussion groups and so forth.  ...Anything anybody could want!
Similar to Google Gmail, their email was not true email when emailing somebody within the Walled Garden.  For example when a Gmail user "emails" another Gmail user, one is simply calling up a Google website and depositing your message there, —while the one receiving that Gmail calls up the same website to pick up that Gmail.  Same-same with AOL.
The article says that AOL preferentially offered sponsored content to users, and CBS paid to provide sports content, ABC paid to provide news, etc, and that this was all highly profitable may be true, but that is talking about something else.  While the terms: Walled Garden, and Proprietary, Anti-competitive, and Monopoly are often interrelated, they are not synonyms.
--Doug Bashford 2607:FB91:7905:9C86:D801:40FF:FE2B:D43B (talk) 02:27, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  AOL example is off base.