Talk:Castle in the Sky

message: The following has been moved here from previously separate sections to keep the discussion about the title of both the film and this article in one place. Tk420 (talk) 09:23, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest that the parenthesised note after the title, "in English, literally translated as The Sky's Castle: Laputa", should be deleted. This is basically nonsense - it would be a mistranslation, by someone with a weak command of English. The particle no joining the parts of the Japanese title has a wide range of meanings: if you wanted to be stiffly literal it would be the castle pertaining to the sky. But "Castle in the sky" is a perfect translation, as literal as should ever be necessary. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay. Finite 20:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Castle in the Sky" gets more than four times as many hits as "Laputa: Castle in the Sky". If you add "Miyazaki" you still get about a 3:5 ratio of Laputa to Laputa-free. I'm inclined to keep the article title as is. Nareek 21:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough, its just that some people know the film simply as "Laputa" ,  and I think at least the full title has both terms in it. Phonemonkey 09:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: And the UK. In fact the UK DVD has a massive "LAPUTA" and a very small "castle in the sky". --h2g2bob (talk) 08:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nausicaa.net lists them and says the UK has both titles. I'd support "Laputa: Castle in the Sky" (after all, nausicaa.net calls it that :-) --h2g2bob (talk) 08:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was a release under Castle in the sky in the UK however it has long been deleted.  The main DVD version in the UK is certainly Laputa.  To be frank as a Brit I see this naming as yet another example of the US-centricness of some articles on Wikipedia (which has, included before now people using the term "theater" on UK based articles about cinemas...) and would thoroughly support renaming this to a less US-centric and therefore more global name.  Bods (talk) 10:24, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I completely agree. I live in Canada, and my DVD is called Laputa: Castle in the Sky. Calling it just Castle in the Sky is an example of the rampant US-centrism on Wikipedia. 139.142.219.253 (talk) 18:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I think renaming it would be fine, though I think the whining about "rampant" US-centrism needs to stop. Part of the reason for this perceived bias is because there are so many more US-based editors (given that Wikipedia was started in the US, this really shouldn't be surprising). On top of that, I'm pretty sure the US is the most populous of the English-speaking countries out there (close to 400 million people now), so products released in the US will tend to fit into the "most commonly used title" part of the naming guidelines more than releases in other English-speaking countries. It's certainly annoying sometimes, but it's a fact. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Internationally (UK, Canada and Australia) it is known as Laputa, or Laputa: castle in the Sky. Only in the states, was Laputa removed. The name should be changed to include Laputa in the article title, to reflect what it is commonly called in most countries. That's certainly what I've always known it as. I'm concerned that the US nomenclature here is overiding the naming convention in a number of other countries.  Also, Laputa is the common name according to WP:COMMONNAME as it gets more ghits. *Laputa and Ghibli* gets 1.6 million *"castle in the sky" and ghibli* only gets 1.4 million. Following wikipedia common name policy, the page title should be changed. Deathlibrarian (talk) 11:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

text: The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: No move. There appears to be consensus that just "Castle in the Sky" is the most common name in English sources. Cúchullain t/c 13:45, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Castle in the Sky →  – So far, there has been no request moves without proper discussion. Given the fact that Disney is the international distributor of most Ghibli films and have used official English titles for their releases (such as Ponyo, Whisper of the Heart and Spirited Away), I am considering whether to move or keep the page but I am unsure of the official title per the relevant guidelines at WP:COMMONNAME and WP:MOS-AM. Any comments or objections? Tk420 (talk) 22:17, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
===Name of Article===
Laputa's original name in Japan, and the official Studio Ghibli name is Laputa:Castle in the Sky. This is what its known as in the UK, NZ Australia and Canada(?) as well. Disney (when they distributed it under licence) removed Laputa from the title in the US - the title of the article should reflect the common name globally, not just the Disneyified American title. Wikipedia does have a bit of a problem sometimes with being US centric... I think this is probably a good example. I've always known it simply as "Laputa" or "Laputa, castle in the sky" Deathlibrarian (talk) 05:08, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

text: This has already been discussed in Talk:Castle in the Sky#Requested move 8 October 2016 in which it was decided not to move the article as there appears to be consensus that just "Castle in the Sky" is the most common name in English sources. I would also like to remind users that Wikipedia does not necessarily use the "official" name for the topic in the article's title and it prefers the most common title as determined in a majority of reliable English language resources (please see WP:COMMONNAME). As the topic of this article does not have any strong national ties to any English-speaking countries, the most common title for the film is inevitably the American one given the United States is the country with the largest population of English speakers with the rest of the English-Speaking World coming nowhere near. Tk420 (talk) 21:38, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the copious discussion above, I decided to change all of the article's references to the film to simply "Laputa", barring direct quotes and discussion about the title itself. Where necessary, such as in the intro and in infoboxes, I have used the long form of "Laputa: Castle in the Sky". However, since the consensus seems to be not in favor of moving the page back to "Laputa: Castle in the Sky", I have left it at simply "Castle in the Sky".—TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:14, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: I believe that the name of this article should be Laputa: Castle in the Sky. The capitalization of the first word is a style choice--like the capitalization of TIME magazine--and WP's style is to capitalize the first letter of the main words in titles, which why the magazine is found at Time (magazine) and not TIME (magazine) on WP.  Nareek 16:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest that the parenthesised note after the title, "in English, literally translated as The Sky's Castle: Laputa", should be deleted. This is basically nonsense - it would be a mistranslation, by someone with a weak command of English. The particle no joining the parts of the Japanese title has a wide range of meanings: if you wanted to be stiffly literal it would be the castle pertaining to the sky. But "Castle in the sky" is a perfect translation, as literal as should ever be necessary. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I feel this article should be titled "Laputa: Castle in the Sky" to reflect the film's international title, not just the North American release. Phonemonkey 14:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Finite 20:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Castle in the Sky" gets more than four times as many hits as "Laputa: Castle in the Sky". If you add "Miyazaki" you still get about a 3:5 ratio of Laputa to Laputa-free. I'm inclined to keep the article title as is. Nareek 21:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough, its just that some people know the film simply as "Laputa" ,  and I think at least the full title has both terms in it. Phonemonkey 09:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: And the UK. In fact the UK DVD has a massive "LAPUTA" and a very small "castle in the sky". --h2g2bob (talk) 08:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nausicaa.net lists them and says the UK has both titles. I'd support "Laputa: Castle in the Sky" (after all, nausicaa.net calls it that :-) --h2g2bob (talk) 08:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was a release under Castle in the sky in the UK however it has long been deleted.  The main DVD version in the UK is certainly Laputa.  To be frank as a Brit I see this naming as yet another example of the US-centricness of some articles on Wikipedia (which has, included before now people using the term "theater" on UK based articles about cinemas...) and would thoroughly support renaming this to a less US-centric and therefore more global name.  Bods (talk) 10:24, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I completely agree. I live in Canada, and my DVD is called Laputa: Castle in the Sky. Calling it just Castle in the Sky is an example of the rampant US-centrism on Wikipedia. 139.142.219.253 (talk) 18:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I think renaming it would be fine, though I think the whining about "rampant" US-centrism needs to stop. Part of the reason for this perceived bias is because there are so many more US-based editors (given that Wikipedia was started in the US, this really shouldn't be surprising). On top of that, I'm pretty sure the US is the most populous of the English-speaking countries out there (close to 400 million people now), so products released in the US will tend to fit into the "most commonly used title" part of the naming guidelines more than releases in other English-speaking countries. It's certainly annoying sometimes, but it's a fact. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Internationally (UK, Canada and Australia) it is known as Laputa, or Laputa: castle in the Sky. Only in the states, was Laputa removed. The name should be changed to include Laputa in the article title, to reflect what it is commonly called in most countries. That's certainly what I've always known it as. I'm concerned that the US nomenclature here is overiding the naming convention in a number of other countries.  Also, Laputa is the common name according to WP:COMMONNAME as it gets more ghits. *Laputa and Ghibli* gets 1.6 million *"castle in the sky" and ghibli* only gets 1.4 million. Following wikipedia common name policy, the page title should be changed. Deathlibrarian (talk) 11:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Name (again)

message: I note that in the wikipedia article, the characer "ū" is used, the u with a line over top. The corresponding IMDB article uses "û", a u with a carat on top. Which one is correct, or are they the same? Kareeser|Talk! 19:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of special character in english translation of name?

message: I don't understand why the title of the page is "Castle in the Sky". "Laputa: Castle in the Sky" is Studio Ghibli's official English title for the movie and it's been released under that title in multiple English speaking countries. Why is it that the US title is the only one that matters? If you search on Google for "'laputa: castle in the sky' ghibli" you get only 42,600 results and when you search for "'castle in the sky' ghibli" you get 66,000 results, but searching for "laputa ghibli" gets you 1,280,000 results. It's obvious that most people just refer to the movie as "Laputa".Linkdude20002001 (talk) 06:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Title

message: In earlier sections on this talk page there has been disagreement over what the name of the article should be. As the re-naming of the article is likely to be controversial I have decided to start an official move discussion. At present the name of the article is Castle in the Sky but the film is referred to as Laputa: Castle in the Sky throughout. Tk420 (talk) 22:17, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion

message: Laputa's original name in Japan, and the official Studio Ghibli name is Laputa:Castle in the Sky. This is what its known as in the UK, NZ Australia and Canada(?) as well. Disney (when they distributed it under licence) removed Laputa from the title in the US - the title of the article should reflect the common name globally, not just the Disneyified American title. Wikipedia does have a bit of a problem sometimes with being US centric... I think this is probably a good example. I've always known it simply as "Laputa" or "Laputa, castle in the sky" Deathlibrarian (talk) 05:08, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This has already been discussed in Talk:Castle in the Sky#Requested move 8 October 2016 in which it was decided not to move the article as there appears to be consensus that just "Castle in the Sky" is the most common name in English sources. I would also like to remind users that Wikipedia does not necessarily use the "official" name for the topic in the article's title and it prefers the most common title as determined in a majority of reliable English language resources (please see WP:COMMONNAME). As the topic of this article does not have any strong national ties to any English-speaking countries, the most common title for the film is inevitably the American one given the United States is the country with the largest population of English speakers with the rest of the English-Speaking World coming nowhere near. Tk420 (talk) 21:38, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the copious discussion above, I decided to change all of the article's references to the film to simply "Laputa", barring direct quotes and discussion about the title itself. Where necessary, such as in the intro and in infoboxes, I have used the long form of "Laputa: Castle in the Sky". However, since the consensus seems to be not in favor of moving the page back to "Laputa: Castle in the Sky", I have left it at simply "Castle in the Sky".—TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:14, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of Article

message: The rationale for using the cover art is based on an interpretation of WP:NFCC#8. Consensus for this can be seen  here and  here. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:28, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Image removed as it fails WP:NFCI#1. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the soundtrack cover art 

message: This section was probably taken unattributed from this page on nausicaa.net. The list should also probably be a table. Citations are nonexistent, as well as the years the awards were given. I've added a template message for now, but it'll need some work before it's up to standard. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:10, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A couple months later, I've reworked this section and got sources for everything. I tried to find individual online sources wherever possible, but most of them had to be verified by the Cavallaro book. The problem is the book  doesn't provide dates and  looks like it was copied from nausicaa.net. I don't have reason to believe either source is unreliable in this case; I'm just uneasy because I couldn't even find records that some of these awards even existed in the first place. Whether the information was lost in the ether over the years or whether someone really did make it up, though, isn't for me to say. I'm going to call it good enough. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the "Accolades" section 

message: Does anyone know what channel the movie aired on when it was broadcast on "Japanese television" on August 2, 2013? I can't find that information in any sources. —theMainLogan (t•c) 04:49, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've read a good number of news pieces on this event, and I don't recall that any of them mentioned it. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 10:33, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What channel was this on? 

message: I'm thinking of making a full switch to  citations for this article, as the  superscripts are starting to interfere with legibility in a few sections. Speak now or forever hold your peace! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:46, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:55, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed switch to SFN citations 

message: @Lysenko97: I've reverted your edits where you linked the voice actors in the cast list. I also came across the claim that the voice actors for the 1988 dub were credited under pseudonyms while researching for this article. However, I never found a reliable source that supported that, though it has been parroted in a couple different places on the Internet. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:29, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the reverts 

message: Hey Mumbai0618, thanks for your contributions to this article. I reverted your latest edit, firstly, because it took  over the 700-word limit required of plot summaries. A couple of your additions also seemed a bit too much like editorializing, which I didn't feel added any encyclopedic content. Also, you introduced a couple of inaccurate statements, such as "" and "". Let me know if you have any questions! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:49, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  About yet more reverts 

message: @TompaDompa: Thanks again for your review at the FAC! I'm taking a break from working on this article to focus on other things, so it'll be a little while until I get around to addressing your comments. However, before both of our memories fade too much, I wanted to ask a few follow-up questions.
* To what extent would you question the reliability of Cavallaro's writing? Her earlier work has been criticized quite harshly, but I haven't come across similar complaints for the books being cited in the article. Her publisher McFarland & Company seems reputable and specializes in similar kinds of books. She's also been cited by some of her contemporaries like Denison and Napier, both animation experts who seem respected in their field.
**I am by no means familiar with Cavallaro's work. I just happened to notice that there is a fair amount of criticism of it in the Dani Cavallaro article. For WP:Featured article status, the standard for sources is not just being reliable but also of high quality per WP:FACR 1c. TompaDompa (talk) 20:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Greatly appreciate your responses, I think I have a better idea of the issues you're seeing now and how to address them. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC follow-up 

message: @CriticalBread14 and Sjones23: Let's discuss the issue here rather than approaching edit-warring and conversing through summaries. I used the spelling "" when I wrote this section as it was the spelling I had seen used by multiple reliable sources that covered the subject, including Lioi 2010, Cavallaro 2006, and Cavallaro 2015. CriticalBread, I assume that when you mention "", you're referring to the 2003 English dub? It's worth noting that all of the sources I mentioned were published after its release, so it's reasonable to assume they made that editorial decision with the knowledge of the dub, and that the Disney team may have done it differently. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, I was referring to the 2003 dub. I wonder if the sources you mention prefer "Laputan" because that may be how it appears in Gulliver's Travels, from which Laputa gets its name? I'm not really familiar with the work or the demonyms used in it, but I wonder why they might have changed it in the dub. Might be a question for a linguist. CriticalBread14 (talk) 16:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It is indeed an interesting detail; my best guess is that Disney followed the pattern of demonym construction from certain names (Canadian from Canada, for example) or just the general tendency for countries' names to end in -ia in English. I'm not familiar enough with Gulliver's Travels to know whether the spelling is derived from it. In any case, however, I think we should defer to the spelling used by the sources, which is the most straightforward way to resolve these kinds of disputes. I looked through all of the major sources I currently have access to, and was only able to find Laputan in cases where the demonym was used — in addition to the ones above, I also found it in Reinders 2016. With that in mind, I will be reverting to the previous spelling. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Laputian"?