Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Mongolian)/Archive 02

message: I've been bold, remaned the page to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Mongolian), and declared it an official guideline. Let's hope it will be as useful as it is intended to be! --Latebird 09:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now an official guideline 

message: The guidelines specify that, unlike with Russian, there are no special cases for "-ый" and "-ий".  Does Mongolian even have these endings?  Are they typical for adjectives as well?  I am just curious.  Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't think of an example with -ый, but the "long i" -ий is quite common. I'm not sure about adjectives. --Latebird 12:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I was just wondering if it made sense to even include these exceptions if Mongolian did not have similar situations.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "-ый" and "-ий" 

message: Now that the guideine is in place, we'll have to move quite a few articles. The easiest way ist probably a step-by-step approach:
# Most renames as such will be straightforward, so let's do those first.
# Changing the name in the article text should be done at the same time.
# Fixing all links is a greater task, and will probably happen continuously over some length of time. When touching an article/section anyway, fixing links at the same time is natural. There are also some robots fixing links to redirects automatically. Whether it's worth the effort to edit an article just for the links is up to anyone.
Caveats:
* Obviously, we can only determine the correct transcription if the cyrillic original is known. Be careful not to fall for Russian spellings, which in some cases are much more popular eg. on Google. Unfortunately the special char list below the editing field doesn't list the Mongolian Ө and Ү yet. I'll see if I can get this changed.
* some names are subject to other discussions, eg. about using English or Mongolian names (let alone Mongolian grammar). Let's wait with those until the respective discussions are finished. Examples are:
** all individual aimags and related topics. The discussion here is about which specifier to use:
***Arkhangai aimag vs. Arkhangai province etc.
***Aimags of Mongolia vs. Provinces of Mongolia (but not the current Aymguud of Mongolia)
***Sums of Mongolia vs. Districts of Mongolia (but not the current Sumuud of Mongolia)
* Some names are blocked by existing redirects. DO NOT move pages by copy-and-paste in those cases, because that would be a GFDL violation (the editing history gets lost). I suggest we collect a list of all blocked names, and then submit them all together to Wikipedia:Requested moves for an admin to handle. It's probably ok to copy-and-paste disambig pages, because those are too trivial for copyright protection.
* Please remember that (with the exception of proper names) only the first word in a title should be capitalized (Orkhon river instead of Orkhon River etc.). Many current titles have incorrect capitalization, which should be fixed in the same process. Added: Apparently, this is handled differently for certain geographic designators like "Mountain" or "River", which seem to be considered part of the proper name.
Happy renaming! --Latebird 12:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Orkhon River (with capital "R") is correct.  The word "River" is capitalized per naming conventions of rivers.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I, frankly, don't care if they are named with a capital or small "r"; I simply wanted to bring this to your attention.  Whether the WikiProject's guidelines are in conflict with general guidelines or not, the undeniable fact is that the overwhelming majority of articles about rivers in Wikipedia are named with a capital "R" (see, for example :Category:Rivers of Afghanistan, :Category:Rivers of Italy, :Category:Rivers of Russia, :Category:Rivers of California, or, for that matter, just about any subcategory in :Category:Rivers by country).  What I am trying to say is that you might want to bring this to the WP:RIVER participants before you start moving anything on a large scale.  Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Looks like this was already discussed back in 2005 here.  From what I understand, "River" (capitalized) is used for consistency.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page moves  

message: :Actually, Orkhon River (with capital "R") is correct.  The word "River" is capitalized per naming conventions of rivers.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I, frankly, don't care if they are named with a capital or small "r"; I simply wanted to bring this to your attention.  Whether the WikiProject's guidelines are in conflict with general guidelines or not, the undeniable fact is that the overwhelming majority of articles about rivers in Wikipedia are named with a capital "R" (see, for example :Category:Rivers of Afghanistan, :Category:Rivers of Italy, :Category:Rivers of Russia, :Category:Rivers of California, or, for that matter, just about any subcategory in :Category:Rivers by country).  What I am trying to say is that you might want to bring this to the WP:RIVER participants before you start moving anything on a large scale.  Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Looks like this was already discussed back in 2005 here.  From what I understand, "River" (capitalized) is used for consistency.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  river vs. River 

message: Please add any obstructed move targets that you find here:
*Aymag -> Aimag Done.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of blocked moves 

message: I've added a section about how people are normally named. This doesn't change anything but simply documents established practise (both in Mongolia and in WP). --Latebird 10:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Der Artikel braucht noch mehr Arbeit, da bin ich nur ganz schnell und grob drübergegangen. Zur Ю-Frage gleich noch mehr. --Latebird 16:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  People