Talk:Utah Jazz

message: I removed the reference to the Jazz being one of 4 "major league" teams in Utah. First, the article only listed three "major league" teams. Second, neither of the two teams referenced (Real Salt Lake and the Utah Arena Football team) qualify as major league under Wikipedia's own definition of "major leagues": major league, is the term used in North America to refer to the highest professional division in any team sport. The highest professional division of American football is the NFL and while MLS is the highest professional division of soccer in the US, it cannot properly be considered a true major league. That would be akin to calling the highest division of cricket, Aussie rules football, or Gaelic football in the US a "major league" - or the highest division of American football in the UK a "major league". PeteJayhawk 04:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this kind of stuff does not belong on Wikipedia. It does not matter if that's how the majority of Jazz fans felt (I was only 8 years old at the time, so I neither noticed nor cared if there were supposed to be fouls, just that the Jazz lost, so I have no opinion). It does not matter anyway. The game has been played. They're not going to go back, take back those supposed non-calls, and let the team play at it again. Referees can miss calls, they can make bad calls, and sure, they can be biased against superstars. Referees are neither all-seeing or all-knowing. There are thousands of games out there that a team would have won had an official seen this call, or not called this, or not chosen the superstar. It doesn't matter. This is not the kind of content that belongs on an encyclopedia. This is stuff best left for forums and chat rooms. bob rulz 06:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I'm reverting the new changes made to the history section. This section is an exact duplicate of the official Utah Jazz website, which is under complete copyright. Even if it wasn't I would change it anyway, since I think the old version was better anyway. bob rulz 19:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with each of these season descriptions, and the reason I removed them in the first place, is because they go into far too much detail compared to the rest of the article, making it disproportionate to the rest of the history section. I wouldn't mind going into more detail on their history in New Orleans, but detail to teh extent you're going makes it wildly disproportionate to the rest of the article. Not to mention writing a history on each separate season looks bad in the table of contents, especially when you have to redundantly explain that it's the New Orleans Jazz at this point. You are welcome to create a History of the Utah Jazz article (although I think you can only create articles if you've registered for an account now), and go into as much detail as you want (and I'd help, too). However, I am probably going to revert it back if I don't receive any response soon. I also wouldn't mind at all if you went into more detail on that section, just not as much detail as you have been going into. bob rulz 22:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not saying it couldn't. But in accordance with Wikipedia style, if we go into that much detail about every season, then we'd have to split it into a History of the Utah Jazz article, lest the article be enourmously large. On Wikipedia, the main page is supposed to be more summarizing. The more detailed descriptions should be split off into subpages. Also, while the "Free Fries!" chant is certainly interesting, I'm not really sure that it is relevant. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and that is bordering on irrelevant. I'll keep it in for now. I did some cleaning up and linking in the history section, but if we really want to go into that much detail for every season, we would have to split it up into a seperate article, because the main page is supposed to be a summary on the subject, with the very details going into a seperate article. I'm sure there's something about this somewhere on one of Wikipedia's pages, but I'm not exactly sure where and I don't have time to look. EDIT: Also, cite your sources. If you found this information somewhere, list it under external links (or as an external link next to the information), or list it as a reference in the reference section if it's not an Internet site. There's other, more official ways to do it, but those will suffice. bob rulz 23:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Just chiming in here with my two cents.  I think the history section including the New Orleans years is important, although the current revision seems a bit TOO extensive.  To be fair, much of the Jazz's history happened in Utah,  compared to the 5 seasons in the Big Easy.  Personally, I think that the section should be condensed, but that's just me.Dknights411 02:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: We've received a complaint about the copyright violation at OTRS. This kind of verbatim copying without permission is unacceptable. I've removed the sections that were copied from HornetsReport.com. Please feel free to summarize them in your own words (subject to the consensus of the other editors that the information belongs here at all). Also, the owners of HornetsReport.com may give permission for its reuse (with proper credit) but have not done so yet. B-Rich, thanks for bringing this up here. Copyright is very important to Wikipedia, and cut-and-paste articles are not welcome. FreplySpang 01:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for letting us know of this! The anon users refusal to cite his sources had me worried that it was a copyright, but I never really looked into it. Perhaps I'll rewrite it in my own words so that it's barely even recognizable (the info for most of the history section came from the history section on the official website, and as you can see, it bares little resemblance). If I ever find time, I'll probably get to work on that. If we get written permission, even better. bob rulz 04:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Complete rip-off from nba.com

message: What I have posted is accurate information of the history of the Jazz in New Orleans and is not breaking any copyright laws(you can't find this anywhere else because I wrote it myself). Removing this information is not telling the complete history of the franchise. Thanks.
:The problem with each of these season descriptions, and the reason I removed them in the first place, is because they go into far too much detail compared to the rest of the article, making it disproportionate to the rest of the history section. I wouldn't mind going into more detail on their history in New Orleans, but detail to teh extent you're going makes it wildly disproportionate to the rest of the article. Not to mention writing a history on each separate season looks bad in the table of contents, especially when you have to redundantly explain that it's the New Orleans Jazz at this point. You are welcome to create a History of the Utah Jazz article (although I think you can only create articles if you've registered for an account now), and go into as much detail as you want (and I'd help, too). However, I am probably going to revert it back if I don't receive any response soon. I also wouldn't mind at all if you went into more detail on that section, just not as much detail as you have been going into. bob rulz 22:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying it couldn't. But in accordance with Wikipedia style, if we go into that much detail about every season, then we'd have to split it into a History of the Utah Jazz article, lest the article be enourmously large. On Wikipedia, the main page is supposed to be more summarizing. The more detailed descriptions should be split off into subpages. Also, while the "Free Fries!" chant is certainly interesting, I'm not really sure that it is relevant. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and that is bordering on irrelevant. I'll keep it in for now. I did some cleaning up and linking in the history section, but if we really want to go into that much detail for every season, we would have to split it up into a seperate article, because the main page is supposed to be a summary on the subject, with the very details going into a seperate article. I'm sure there's something about this somewhere on one of Wikipedia's pages, but I'm not exactly sure where and I don't have time to look. EDIT: Also, cite your sources. If you found this information somewhere, list it under external links (or as an external link next to the information), or list it as a reference in the reference section if it's not an Internet site. There's other, more official ways to do it, but those will suffice. bob rulz 23:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Just chiming in here with my two cents.  I think the history section including the New Orleans years is important, although the current revision seems a bit TOO extensive.  To be fair, much of the Jazz's history happened in Utah,  compared to the 5 seasons in the Big Easy.  Personally, I think that the section should be condensed, but that's just me.Dknights411 02:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: We've received a complaint about the copyright violation at OTRS. This kind of verbatim copying without permission is unacceptable. I've removed the sections that were copied from HornetsReport.com. Please feel free to summarize them in your own words (subject to the consensus of the other editors that the information belongs here at all). Also, the owners of HornetsReport.com may give permission for its reuse (with proper credit) but have not done so yet. B-Rich, thanks for bringing this up here. Copyright is very important to Wikipedia, and cut-and-paste articles are not welcome. FreplySpang 01:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for letting us know of this! The anon users refusal to cite his sources had me worried that it was a copyright, but I never really looked into it. Perhaps I'll rewrite it in my own words so that it's barely even recognizable (the info for most of the history section came from the history section on the official website, and as you can see, it bares little resemblance). If I ever find time, I'll probably get to work on that. If we get written permission, even better. bob rulz 04:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please Do Not Delete the History of the Team in New Orleans

message: I created the season-by-season box using information I looked up on NBA.com and Wikipedia itself.  If I miscalculated the total number of wins or losses, or percentages or such, please by all means feel free to correct me on it.  ekedolphin 09:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SBS box

message: I updated some of the article yesterday, clarifying the citations where needed for some of the information, and edited to correct the accuracy of the 2006 offseason. Thestormofwar 13:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor notations

message: If Dirk is a Maverick, what do you call Boozer (also, a related question would be players from the Magic and Heat)? --Howard the Duck 11:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. I live in the Salt Lake metro area, and in the media, I only recall players individually being called 'Jazz players' and the players as a group are 'The Jazz'. (As for Boozer, just call him a bona-fide stud.  Dude can dominate games.) — Zaui (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do you call a Utah Jazz player? 

message: I have contacted the Utah Jazz, and have found that the Mormon Church does not own any part of the Jazz.  I was coming back to edit this, but it looks like they already did it themselves.  Darthcredence 16:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jazz Ownership 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:NewOrlransJazzLogo.gif

message: Kevin O'Connor is (I think) GM. He was coach of Toronto, and mentioned in NBA Live, yet not on Wikipedia! Basketball110 15:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're thinking of Kevin O'Neill. — Zaui (talk) 23:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  O'Connor 

message: Why are they called the Utah Jazz? If they're from Salt Lake City, why isn't it the Salt Lake City Jazz. Is it because Salt Lake only has a pop of 180k? -- GateKeeper (talk) @  02:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably for just about the same reason that they're (now) the <I>New England</i> Patriots instead of the Boston (or Foxborough) Patriots.  I see it as a way to encourage wider team loyalty. Kingsfold (Quack quack!) 16:31, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are they called the Utah Jazz? 

message: Utah ditched the mountain logo and went to a recolored note logo.  The article needs to be changed to reflect this.  See utahjazz.com if you need confirmation Purplebackpack89  04:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this isn't true. Utah's *primary* logo is still the mountain logo, but it has been recolored. The recolored note logo is just a secondary logo. Nevertheless, the new recolored mountain logo should be listed as the team's main. 76.167.253.199 (talk) 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just looked it up; according to the Jazz press release, the note logo will be the "secondary" logo, despite the fact that the recolored mountain logo is nowhere to be found on their website.  ToddC4176 (talk) 20:01, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

text: I do suggest that rather than saying "the website," be more specific in the future as to your source. For example, on page 260 of the most recent (2012-2013) media guide there is a history of the Jazz logo. It is available here , and shows that both the mountain and note logos are currently used.--Mangoman88 (talk) 17:42, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: The present link is broken. I am not sure of the web host, but nba.com/jazz now directs fans to utahjazz360.com. A link to the SBNation fan site slcdunk.com should also be included, in my opinion.134.250.243.105 (talk) 03:22, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utah Jazz Fan Website 

message: The second paragraph of the New Orleans section says, "Later, they played games in the Louisiana Superdome, but things were no better due to high demand for the stadium, onerous lease terms and Maravich's constant knee problems."  I might just be having a temporary fit of denseness, but what did Pistol Pete's knees have to do with the team's ability to secure a playing venue?  Thanks- Kingsfold (Quack quack!) 16:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Orleans Era Venue Problems 

message: This isn't true. Please verify.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.63.137.86 (talk) 00:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrei Kirilenko number retired? 

message: I support using the term Are since it has been used the last 3 years. anyone disagree please post reasoning why last 3 years have been wrong.Bryce Carmony (talk) 08:30, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: See MOS:PLURALS and ANI.  JohnInDC (talk) 13:10, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the Utah Jazz media guide, which consistently treats "Jazz" as singular - beginning at p 164.  JohnInDC (talk) 14:33, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Proposal withdrawn, since there are secondary sources that go both ways and no real consistent convention to observe it can be either or. Since John wants it to be Is it can be Is for a few years to give it a break from being Are. Bryce Carmony (talk) 17:13, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are Vs. Is 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The opening paragraph implies the Jazz have played in Vivant arena since 1991.  It was the Delta center, then Energy Solutions arena, then Vivant Smart Home arena. 65.130.89.115 (talk) 00:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of venue in opening paragraph 

message: Would it be possible to create an article just for the New Orleans Jazz team rather than being here on the Utah Jazz 174.202.79.175 (talk) 19:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making a separate New Orleans Jazz article