Talk:Lord of the manor

message: THERE IS NOTHING HERE ON FREEHOLDERS IN THE MIDDLE AGES THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKIN FOR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.40.36 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 26 March 2006
:Hope this helps.  You need to look for copyhold. Records are held for some copyhold at the national archives, Kew, London or you could read through the books published at the internet archive. --88.104.42.170 (talk) 22:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: freeholders

message: A lot of potentailly good material has been added by a new user but there are a few issues.   
* The article is now unstructured.  Material has been added at the end.  Editing should involve blending in all exisiting material and then using section headings, sub-headings and bullets.  Where there are places and people that are themselves articles in Wikipedia, there should be links eg a typical link.  I have asked the user to do this.  A large piece of text is quite daunting otherwise.  See Wikipedia:Tutorial
* We cannot merely add material that has been produced by someone else without getting permission.  I have asked the user that this is received in writing.
* Phrases such as "historians agree" generally prompt the question: which historians?  Where possible there should be references when making assertions.  I have asked that references are included whenever possible.
Before making these changes myself, I want to ensure that the material is not copyright.  I also do not want to discourage an expert in this area from contributing.  I am therefore giving this user a chance to bring the article up to standard.  JMcC 15:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User provided an external link to Manorial Society of Great Britain as a reference but this showed the material had merely been copied.  No attempt was made to integrate material.   It was therefore deleted.  External link to this material added instead. JMcC 07:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits on 30 Aug 2006

message: There needs to be a section on how these titles are sold, often for large amounts of money to people who believe that they are buying a real peerage i.e. Lord Botherington, instead of what in effect is just an incorporeal land right, similar to a right to cut peat on St Swithins Day. Many of the lord of the manor titles sold are either fake, or have no provable provenance at all, just a statutory declaration that anyone can make.Cavort (talk) 13:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I am currently researching this from an unbiased perspective, and I have been floored by the amount of bald-faced fraud surrounding the manorial titles business. Thankfully, a leading solicitor on the subject (Edward Harris) has agreed to help, and has already provided reams of information covering a number of misconceptions about both the business and the laws surrounding it. I'm getting it organized now and will try my best to clean up the article with solid facts as best I can. Many thanks to all editors who have brought it this far! Brit-o-pedia (talk) 01:22, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Title Trade

message: The etymology of the word "lord" appears to be "keeper of the bread". Does this infer that the lord had the grain mill and baking ovens?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.121.204.129 (talk) 18:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Corn Tithe and Hay were often part of a manorial right. --88.104.42.170 (talk) 22:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: "The National Archives at Kew, London and County Record Offices maintain many documents that mention manors or manorial rights, in some cases court rolls have survived, such documents are now protected by law."
This looks to me like three separate sentences for some reason mashed together with commas. GeneCallahan (talk) 13:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crazy Sentence 

message: I am new to wikipedia but can I just say to everyone that I think footnote 24 is a fake document. Its advice is wrong on a number of counts. The main domain does redirect to the Home Office but anyone can get a domain to do that. I don't want to start altering other peoples work but are we sure that fraudsters haven't created this document and listed it in wikipedia to confuse people????***  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.163.185 (talk) 01:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The document was originally available from the Home Office website.  I have linked a new link to the Home Office's document on Official Observations, which confirms the same policy (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/agencies-public-bodies/ips/passports-policy-publications/observations-passports?view=Binary). Editor8888 (talk) 07:45, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  footnote 24 

message: I see that this has been moved to manor with a small m without any apparent discussion.
See https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Lord+of+the+Manor%2CLord+of+the+manor&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CLord%20of%20the%20Manor%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CLord%20of%20the%20manor%3B%2Cc0 as a demonstration that usage of the capital version greatly exceeds the current name. For this reason, and the discussion/explanation at the top of this page I propose moving the name back to Lord of the Manor S a g a  C i t y (talk) 07:34, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation (again) 

message: The quote “John Martin Robinson, Maltravers Herald Extraordinary and co-author of The Oxford Guide to Heraldry, gave his opinion that "Lordship of this or that manor is no more a title than Landlord of The Dog and Duck"” has no basis in fact or law.  The quote links to http://www.baronage.co.uk/2001/faqs-01.html which in turn purports to be quoting from “the website of the British Embassy in Washington” but in fact links to http://www.britain-info.org/ which is a private organisation based in Berlin and nothing whatsoever to do with the British Embassy. 
A Google search for “John Martin Robinson British Embassy in Washington” simply leads to a bewildering circle of the same websites quoting themselves and never to any original source for the so called quote. 
Even if it could be shown that Mr. Robinson did in fact express that opinion, it is nothing but his opinion and has no basis in fact or law. Mr. Robinson seems to be unaware that the owner of a public house (a pub) is strictly speaking not a landlord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlord) but is in fact a licensed victualler, or, for short licencee, and that real lords of the manor are, qua their manorial holdings, the owners of an estate in land and have considerable rights in that land. One has only to search the gov.uk website to see many references to parliamentary discussions on Lords of Manors and their rights and to have witnessed the fact that national park have bought about a third of the "lord of the manor" rights on the whole of the Brecon Beacons, from Caernarfon right across to Senni Bridg to realise that Mr Robinson is ill informed. (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldhansrd/vo051025/text/51025-38.htm)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.83.218 (talk) 16:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: John Martin Robinson is Maltravers Herald Extraordinary, a royal herald. His duty as the Officer of arms is ie. Roll of the Peerage and thus he is well informed about law of nobility. If he say, that "Lordship of this or that manor is no more a title than Landlord of The Dog and Duck", this opinion is informed, based on facts and law and within his powers as royal herald.--Yopie (talk) 14:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It is easy to take Robinson's quote out of context.  He is not saying that people are not entitled to the designation, he is just saying that it is not a personal title in the sense that a peerage is.  It is a description of someone's property status, like the landlord of a pub.  This has been clarified. 81.158.102.102 (talk) 21:30, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote from Maltravers herald 

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