Talk:Hamlet chicken processing plant fire

message: Nice work! 68.39.174.238 19:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the reference desk guys were really helpful. Oh, and thanks! Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 19:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahh, so reading the Reference Desk pays off! 

message: Do we know how many owners were sentenced? --Fang Aili talk 21:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The lack of that detail was really bugging me as I wrote it, but unfortunatly I could find nothing. Will give it one last try, though. Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 21:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job on the article! --Fang Aili talk 21:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! By the way, I re-attempted a Google search with other terms, much better results. Watch this page if you like, a lot of expnsion work will be done to it. Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 21:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of owners? 

message: Good work. Meets the standards and makes GA. Should go through a full peer review and then be recommended for FA. Mocko13 20:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead paragraph should be expanded. It's too small. (Ghostexorcist 20:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: In the Background section, the sentence "The plant had been hit by fires before Imperial took over as well, although these, too, were non-fatal.[1]" appears twice. However, its not clear if it was intended to describe the Hamlet plant or the other named facility (and I haven't poured over the references). --Parradoxx 20:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have clarified the sentance. The intended meaning was the Hamlet plant. Thanks, Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 22:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeated sentence 

message: Really good and interesting article.
* Redlinks:  There are several redlinks that can be removed, e.g. 'Essential Criminology', 'business lobby' and 'Walk in freezer' (why not 'walk-in freezer'?)
* What is up with the capitalisation of certain references in the list?
* Ref number 4 seems to have a broken/misformated PDF link.
* The company allways had a poor safety record  = The company always had a poor safety record
* The See also could be limited to articles with more striking similarities to this one, as opposed to just fires with fatalities.
--rxnd ( t | € | c ) 14:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Redlinks good, as for the references I was thinking of "FIRE VIOLATIONS KILL TWENTY-FIVE IN CHICKEN PLANT" and the other one (15) with all capitals.  See also - good. Sprinklers a matter for expert input. Sentence suggestion: "However, when the line with a customized connector was brought up to normal operating pressure..." --rxnd ( t | € | c ) 02:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, that is how the cited sources typed it - although, come to think of it, I should really sort them out and convert them into "normal" text. the sentance suggestion works well; I shall implement it in the article. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 12:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some comments 

message: Here is my response to the comments above:
*Redlink removal: redlinks have been trimmed down.
*Reference capitalisation: I don't quite understand the problem. I had a quick look over the references, and saw nothing obviously wrong.
*Broken PDF link: fixed.
*Size of see also: it only includes fire where workers were trapped behind locked/inopenable fire exits. While I would like to cut it down, I can't think of any more limiting criteria.
*Sprinklers: Dunno if nescescary at the frying section of the facility, but they probably were elsewhere. I have eddited the article so it simply mentions they weren't there; it no longer blames the rapid spread on their nonexistance.
*Connector seperation: The official report is deliberatly strongly suggestive of the fact that the seperation was due to the DIY modification. This line therefore needs rewritten for clarity; do you have any suggestions for how it should read?
Regards, Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 14:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Redlinks good, as for the references I was thinking of "FIRE VIOLATIONS KILL TWENTY-FIVE IN CHICKEN PLANT" and the other one (15) with all capitals.  See also - good. Sprinklers a matter for expert input. Sentence suggestion: "However, when the line with a customized connector was brought up to normal operating pressure..." --rxnd ( t | € | c ) 02:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, that is how the cited sources typed it - although, come to think of it, I should really sort them out and convert them into "normal" text. the sentance suggestion works well; I shall implement it in the article. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 12:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response 

message: *Hiya! I just finished fixing the photos. The proper syntax for images is:  thumb|right|250px|Caption SyBerWoLff 15:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks; I shall bear that in mind in future. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 16:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image Fix Request

message: Is there any particular order to the items in the "See also" section?  It's not ordered alphabetically or by number of deaths.  It also doesn't appear to be ordered by similarity to the Hamlet chicken processing plant fire or even by notability of the fire in question (the 1911 Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire is generally considered the prototypical factory fire that spurred worker fire safety regulations). —RP88 19:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have re-arranged them into chronological order. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 19:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of items in "See also" 

message: I added some comments towards the end of the FAC, just before the article got promoted. Is it possible for those issues to be addressed briefly here? Carcharoth 02:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, will see to it. I would have gotten it done shortly after the end of FAC, but I was experiencing tech problems and couldn't access Wikipedia - the article's promotion was a nice surprise upon my return! Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 07:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments at the FAC 

message: Maybe a small thing, but I think it sounds a lot more logical to state that the distance between the memorial monuments is "50 feet (46 metres)" rather than "50 feet (0,9 metres)". Surely you would like to know the distance between the monuments in metres, not how many metres one foot is? or am I missing something here? I got a "do your experimenting in the sandbox"-template on my userpage for this.../ Marxmax 22:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That not only seems reasonable, but is, I believe, how it's supposed to be done. Maybe you should contact the guy who reverted you and ask him/her to come along down here and explain; it was probably just a misunderstanding on their part. I'm going to reinstate your edit - for the time being, at least. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 22:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 0,9 metres

message: I have added a spoken version of this article; see the link at the top of this page.  Hassocks5489 22:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoken version added

message: From the last paragraph of Emergency Response:
For the purposes of the investigation, Fuller was asked to evaluate the emergency response. He told investigators that he felt there were "more than adequate numbers of personnel and equipment given the layout of the incident site".[2] And the char grilled chicken breasts are still being sold to this day.
Can someone explain the last sentence to me? --The Dark Side 01:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Char grilled chicken breasts  

message: What's the deal with this notice? Is there any reason people should not assume any mention of dollars would be the USD, its made clear the disaster took place in North Carolina in the first sentence? EditorInTheRye 01:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was added per an issue raised at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1991 Hamlet chicken processing plant fire. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 02:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The WP:$ referred to there says this, though: "Fully identify a currency on its first appearance (AU$52); subsequent occurrences are normally given without the country identification (just $88), unless this would be unclear. The exception to this is in articles related to the US and the UK, in which the first occurrence may also be shortened ($34 and £22, respectively), unless this would be unclear." Unless I've missed some other reason, I think it's clearly identified by the fact that it's in North Carolina. EditorInTheRye 02:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine by me. I allways thought that seemed a little silly anyway. I daresay the policy has changed since the notice went up. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 02:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia in a nutshell :P Might I also suggest that the completely parenthesized sentence right before the TOC could be moved into a <ref> tag (and the "reference" header changed into "notes and references"), just for the sake if making the prose flow a bit smoother. Great read tho, I love it when really unusual stuff makes FA, granted it's not another pokémon... EditorInTheRye 02:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Throughout this article, the unqualified term "dollar" and the $ symbol refer to the United States dollar. 

message: What i get when comparing the 2 pictures around the fire section, is that the general neccesity for fire doors results from the roof construction not being build fire resistant.77.251.179.188 17:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Observation

message: With my home computer, I was only able to read this article when the wide image in Hamlet chicken processing plant fire#Recommendations was set at 555px. I used Preview mode to read it. Otherwise, I had to scroll left and right to read the lines. However, with the wide image template, 555px looks stupid on the computer I'm now using. The following code produces a frame the right size for the picture and it might work on my home computer too:  Anyway, the article was a sad story, and if the fire was because they couldn't afford to make the plant safer, it seems to me the government could pay a businesses to improve worker safety. The government manufactures the money and can therefore afford to help out. -- Chuck Marean 16:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm. I've changed how the wide image works some.. Perhaps it will address the issue you encountered. --Gmaxwell 08:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 595px in Wiki is OK for I.E. 5 & 7. When more than that, the page is too wide using I.E. 5. I wonder if zooming in would work. -- --Chuck Marean 23:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  --Chuck Marean 04:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safety grants 

message: This issue is never explained in the article. Brutannica 06:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Racism

message: I cleaned up the reference to "parrot fever", aka psittacosis. As it stood, it implied that the disease was somehow merely a type of pneumonia contracted as result of overexposure to cold. It is, of course, actually transmitted via physical contact with infected birds, their feces and secretions, and their carcasses (infected chicken carcasses in this case). Since a tainted carcass would already be fully infectious when it reached the plant, and the raw carcasses (in various stages of processing) were being continuously handled by the workers, the refrigerated conditions were unlikely to have had any definitive effect, either positive or negative, on the likelihood of contracting the disease. Bullzeye  (Ring for Service) 03:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Parrot Fever" line

message: The latter dispute, concerning a memorial service organized by the city, resulted in two separate, near-identical monuments being erected.
suggested rewrite:
A dispute concerning a memorial service organized by the city resulted in two separate, near-identical monuments being erected.
(rationale: "latter dispute" doesn't really have an antecedent, as the previous sentence speaks of accusations of racism rather than disputes; and doesn't have two so that "latter" would be used to distinguish from "former")
The fire was North Carolina's worst industrial disaster,[4] and the third worst American industrial disaster...
suggested rewrite:
The fire was North Carolina's worst industrial disaster,[4] and the third worst in American history...
(rationale: repeating "industrial disaster" sounds awkward to my ear)
Just my 2 cents, don't really want to mess with a good thing :^) Gr8white (talk) 00:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested wording changes

message: There are several elements that I was surprised to see here.  For example, 
one worker has stated that much of the chicken meat was rotten,[6] and that the reason it was processed into chicken nuggets was to disguise the foul taste.  I'm not sure how the quality of the food pertains to the fire; above and beyond that, the citation is for a fringe publication that appears to be dedicated to advocating healing cancer via diet, etc.  The same goes for the references to chicken-borne and RSI disorders -- if a fire occurred in a secretarial services company, would there be reference to RSI disorders there?  I've read many articles on disasters on Wikipedia -- this is the only one that chooses to explicitly blame survivors' alcoholism on the disaster: others have become addicted to their medications or to alcohol.
There are not-so-subtle allegations of racism on the part of the mayor: Many of the workers and their families wanted Jesse Jackson to speak in the city's memorial effort. But Mayor Abbie Covington did not want him involved and was backed up by many other local authority figures -- the citation link is dead (both original and archive.org) and Google turns up nothing but Wikipedia content when searching for "abbie covington" "jesse jackson".
It just sounds to me as if a significant amount of material was derived from an attorney's arguments for the plaintiffs (and this isn't helped by the presence of the text They had originally hired John Coale, an attorney who had worked on the Bhopal disaster, but he could not legally practice in North Carolina.)  The tone is certainly less objective than other disaster articles that I've read.
Mark7-2 (talk) 09:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Not terribly neutral?

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thread_title:  Proposal to remove date-autoformatting 

message: I happened to be passing by this article and noticed all of the problems it has with references. According to the Wikipedia:Featured article criteria I believe this article is not meeting the following: 1a, 1b, 1c, and to a lesser extent 2c. There are dead links to sources and sources not supporting the text they're citing. I attempted to start cleaning up but there are fundamental errors in comprehension of the sources and a lot of information in the sources aren't in the article. Hate to be the bad guy but I'm going to list this article at Wikipedia:Featured article review if no effort to fix the problems isn't underway within 21 days. Brad (talk) 03:58, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article status. 

message: Removed some odd wording, extra "Howevers" and "Buts" and one item which was of exceedingly tangential relevance or so.  Also used simpler wording where possible - average WP reader does not read at 12th grade level. Collect (talk) 11:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits 

message: I think the article needs some rewrite, with attention to sentence transition.
For example, 
A federal investigation was launched, which resulted in the owners receiving a 20-year prison sentence. The company received the highest fine in the history of North Carolina.[3] As a result, the state passed several worker safety laws. 
That makes it sound as if laws were passed due to the prison sentence and high fine, rather than due to the fire.
If i get a chance, i'll spend some time on the article soon. Richard Myers (talk) 07:22, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  overview of wording 

message: The article says "Jello Biafra and Mojo Nixon wrote a song about this incident called "Hamlet Chicken Plant Disaster".[citation needed] It is included in their album Prairie Home Invasion.".
There is a link to Prairie Home Invasion. Surely that's enough and no more citation is needed?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.98.37 (talk) 19:25, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

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message: * Worker's march
* Calvin White's retirement
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thread_title:  Misc related material