Talk:Tuckahoes and Cohees

message: This article was created Jun 16 2007 in hopes of clearing up many genealogist's errors in understanding the terms tuckahoe and cohee.  I welcome all comments and discussion to add to or correct this article Gwyncann 19:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: "With the philosophical arguments for the "mutual benefits" of slavery as a positive "good" for both master and slave revealed as specious and racist hypocrisy, the morality for the tuckahoe culture as the foundation for the governing class of Virginia and the Carolinas disintegrated."
First of all, this sentence is somewhat tangential for the article.  Secondly, if I didn't know better, I'd say it was written by a nineteenth-century abolitionist.  Sure, slavery was racist, but so was free-soil abolitionism.  No need to denounce it as from the pulpit. I have removed the offending passage; if someone wants to add a more neutral explanation of the collapse of moral arguments for slavery, be my guest, but personally I think it unnecessary. Greensleaves (talk) 10:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias much?

message: The second paragraph refers to "tuckahoe" as a term shown on John Smith's Map of Virginia. The word "tuckahoe" first appears on a map drawn by Captain John Smith in 1612."  I believe this is incorrectly stated.  Smith refers to "Tochawhoughe" in the text of his "Historie of Virginia" published in 1612.  The map referred to in the text accompanied this work. above.  
Smith wrote:
"The chiefe roote they have for foode is called Tockawhoughe. It groweth like a flagge in low muddy freshes." Arber, 1895.
"Tochawhoghe" is commonly rendered "tuckahoe" by later writers.  I am unable to find either term used on Smith's map.  The most likely place it would be found on the map is in the area of "the Falls" of James River, near the village of Powhattan.  A stream in that area is called "Tuckahoe", and was so called by at least 1695 when it appears as a boundary in land patents.  Smith's map shows no stream in this area.  It seems likely that "tuckahoe creek" was named for the plant "tuckahoe" now better known as "arrow arum" or arrow root.  I would presume that arrow root, common in freshwater marshes throughout the east coast, grew in particular abundance on Tuckahoe Creek, and that the creek was named for the presence of this species.
Foote, which is cited in this article, notes that the term "tuckahoe" as used for the cultural group, is derived from a creek by that name in eastern Virginia.  He was most likely referring to Tuckahoe Creek on the Goochland Henrico border, near Richmond.  The plantation of William Randolph, a prominent member of Virginia's Plantation aristocracy (and certainly a "tuckahoe" as the term is used in this article) was located in this same area, on Tuckahoe Creek.  Quolla6 (talk) 14:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tuckahoe

message: Arguably nearly every item on the list is incorrect- You link the Calvinist/Swiss Lutheran and Reformed/German churches together but separate the Presbyterian and Congregationalist, which are Calvinist, while the Lutherans are not. Most of these churches are not usually considered evangelical. You separate Anglican and Episcopal and use the term non-evangelical which is not in common usage. You say working class english before that dialect existed. Jefferson from the hills fits few of the cohee traits. Both George Thomas and Robert E Lee were relatively poor. To say that Andrew Jackson and James Polk were Northern Democrats is wrong. I think this whole section should go- unless a decent academic source can be located.Nitpyck (talk) 05:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tuckahoe/Cohee Cultural Comparison 

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thread_title:  removing POV tag with no active discussion per [[Template:POV]] 

message: The use of a hyphen suggests that "Tuckahoe-Cohee" refers to a single ethnic group, instead of to two more-or-less opposing groups.  This is reflected on Wikipedia's Tuckahoe disambiguation page:
:Tuckahoe may also refer to Tuckahoe-Cohee, an early colonial American cultural sub-group in Virginia and the Carolinas.
I therefore propose that this article be moved to the title, "Tuckahoe and Cohee", and that the disambiguation page be corrected accordingly.  J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 22:32, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The requested move has been made (with help from an admin after I made the mistake of starting the move from this talk page). -- ℜob C. alias ALAROB 19:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal:  Move to "Tuckahoe and Cohee"