Talk:Seraph

message: Is this quote saying that Lucifer was counted among the seraphim correct ? I 
have seen an exact copy of this sentence on alot of sites, so I don't know if
it originated here or if it was copied from somewhere else. 
I believe Lucifer is an Archangel. If any reference for this is needed,
take a look at the following site :
http://www.steliart.com/angelology_fallen_archangel.html
Searching for more references shouldn't be more difficult.
-- Paul Marcus
Lucifer, as far as the Tanakh is concerened, doesn't exist. What christians call Lucifer is Helel Ben Shachar, or son of the morning star (aka the light bringer). This is located in Isaiah 14:12 only, and concerns a worship of another God (Phaëton).
As far as christian mythology goes, Jerome's Vulgate translation of Isaiah 14:12 has made Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel, who must lament the loss of his original glory as the morning star. This image at last defines the character of Lucifer; where the Church Fathers had maintained that lucifer was not the proper name of the Devil, and that it referred rather to the state from which he had fallen; St. Jerome transformed it into Satan's proper name.
SF2K1
::Lucifer is a specifically Christian concept. I understand (I don't know this) Lucifer is regarded as a Seraph in the Christian angelarchy, but Lucifer does not appear in the Jewish angelarchy as a Jewish angel (at all). This is one of a number of differences between the two religions's perspectives on angels. Judaism doesn't interpret Isaiah 14:12 as a reference to Lucifer, this interpretation is a Christian one. Best, --Shirahadasha 04:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lucifer

message: I reverted a deletion of this section because I believe deletion of a section like this should be discussed first. However, as things presently stand there is some reason to support such a deletion. The section is essentially unsourced. It consists of little more than lists of characters named or called "Seraph" who appear in various video games, with no discussion. No evidence that Seraph is anything more than a name (Analogy: characters named "Smith" and "Miller" aren't necessarily examples of the role of millers in popular culture.) --Shirahadasha 19:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. I was too precipitate in deleting this list of largely unlinked and irrelevant cruft. Seraphim in popular culture would make a neat package. We'll give it a header paragraph, repeat that paragraph here, with a link to Seraphim in popular culture  --and "open the pod bay door Hal". Then those who want to diddle about with it may do so, and we don't have to watch. --Wetman 20:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The section seems rather long and rather pointless, I am in favor of deleting it.68.211.221.93 02:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Seraphim in popular culture]] 

message: Hello, removed this material to this talk page pending sources. Note that a similar list was removed in the Cherub article. Want to make sure that each entity is identified as a Seraph by some source, and that we identify the POV involved. The identity and nature of Biblical figures and angelic beings can be controversial so WP:A and WP:NPOV is especially important. Best, --Shirahadasha 19:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced material 

message: could we please get some modern, scientific and theologically neutral etymological information on the word seraph?  ive come across some claims elsewhere that it means something about fiery serpents.  im sceptical and would appreciate any illumination.  ƒaustX 19:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just wanted to say that I agree. There doesn't appear to be any other etymology listed on the Internet than that 'seraph' is from srp = to burn FreezBee 17:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The word seraphim appears with the word nachashim (serpents) in Numbers (21:6) and Deuteronomy (8:15); to describe venomous snakes. In Numbers (21:8), seraph is used alone, in place of the word nachash to describe the image of a snake that Moses creates. So, while seraphim is certainly derived from 'srp'-'to burn' it did seem to acquire an association with snakes (especially venomous snakes), and on occasion became a synonym for the same. This was possibly due to the agony ("burning") of snake bites. Apart from the vision of the heavenly court, Isaiah uses the word Seraph twice (14:29 and 30:6), both times to describe a flying monster and both times in close association with words to describes snakes ('Nachash'-serpent, in 14:29, and 'Efeh'-viper, in 30:6). So, the association with serpents is not without merit, though this is probably not the origin of the word.ElijahBenedict 17:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Let me try a few. In my romanian language, the word "sireap" means "fast or untamed" horse who eats in mythology/fairytails only burning coal(carbune=coal). Also is the name of "alba"(white) star from the horses forehead. Another version: "S" could come from "sase"(six) while "arp" from "aripa"(wing)=6 wings. "Sarba" is folk dance with people joining hands and rotating. "Sarpe" means serpent. "A sorbi" means "to sip"(like horses are drinking water. Another similarity is "corbi"(ravens), birds associated usually with Odhin's/Saturn's throne in european myths. The "solar" Asura/Æsir is also a good connection. The Harpies could also be connected. Bigshotnews 04:18, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Please do not insert your comments inside other editor's comments.  Seraph is from a Semitic language, Romanian is an Indo-European language, so it's unlikely that Seraph has an Indo-European root.  Ian.thomson (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Etymology]] 

message: "Definitions: 'The Seraphim srpym (fiery winged serpents) are no doubt connected with, and inseparable from, the idea "of the serpent of eternity - God," as explained in Kenealy's Apocalypse. But the word cherub also meant serpent, in one sense, though its direct meaning is different; because the Cherubim and the Persian winged gruphes "griffins" - the guardians of the golden mountain - are the same, and their compound name shows their character, as it is formed of kr (kr) circle, and avb "aub," or ob - serpent - therefore, a "serpent in a circle." And this settles the phallic character of the Brazen Serpent, and justifies Hezekiah for braking it. (see II. Kings, 18,4). [....]' [Based on: T.S.D. Vol. 1, by H.P. Blavatsky (1999 edition), p. 364 (+ footnote)]. Associated spellings/words: srpym." Source:  (accessed: December 27, 2007)
NB: B9~hummingbird~hovering of naga totem offers this edit to the titans of primordial chaos, the Asura/Æsir. Left-handed Hummingbird is of the Old Gods. 108 svaha.
The Principality of Serendipity
B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 09:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me try a few. In my romanian language, the word "sireap" means "fast or untamed" horse who eats in mythology/fairytails only burning coal(carbune=coal). Also is the name of "alba"(white) star from the horses forehead. Another version: "S" could come from "sase"(six) while "arp" from "aripa"(wing)=6 wings. "Sarba" is folk dance with people joining hands and rotating. "Sarpe" means serpent. "A sorbi" means "to sip"(like horses are drinking water. Another similarity is "corbi"(ravens), birds associated usually with Odhin's/Saturn's throne in european myths. The "solar" Asura/Æsir is also a good connection. The Harpies could also be connected. Bigshotnews 04:18, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Please do not insert your comments inside other editor's comments.  Seraph is from a Semitic language, Romanian is an Indo-European language, so it's unlikely that Seraph has an Indo-European root.  Ian.thomson (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Blessings to Godde[ss] [[Serendipity]]

message: it's right at the bottom of the page, should this really be here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.6.19 (talk) 21:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  bizarre band description 

message: I corrected the article to say that the hymn that Seraphim chant is the "Sanctus" -- it had said "Trisagion," but this wasn't quite right, given that the Sanctus is the name for the hymn that quotes Ezekiel and Revelation and begins "Holy, Holy, Holy," whereas the Trisagion (as per the article on it) is somewhat similar but quite distinct, beginning "Holy God, Holy and Mighty, Holy Immortal One . . ."113.22.49.31 (talk) 15:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trisagion vs. Sanctus 

message: NA  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.4.205.217 (talk) 02:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here are the reliable source guidelines.  Hearing voices is not listed as a reliable source, regardless of whether it is Gabriel or not. At any rate, you didn't cite your sources.  Ian.thomson (talk) 13:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pardon me, Hearing Archangel Gabriel is not a reliable source??? 

message: "They appear also in the Christian Gnostic text On the Origin of the World, described as "dragon-shaped angels".[5]"
That's a bit misleading, because the concept of dragon/draco/δράκων in late classical antiquity, the era of that text, didn't imply the winged, limbed, fire-breathing, rather dinosaur-like creature it does in the modern mind; it simply means a (usually large) snake or serpent. 'Dragons' in classical myth may be winged, fire-breathing, etc, but not particularly more often than other important animals (horses, bulls etc.) 165.91.166.236 (talk) 19:24, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Dragon-shaped'

message: Origins:
Change ´sun´ to ´son/daughter/offspring´. There is no doubt of the tempora, the temperament, nor the temporary.
That what does not shine as brightly, is merely one trick of those whom ´mind´ away from that distinction, they themselves, being able to make that distinction, purely withing that what is their own ´mind´.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.92.204.150 (talk) 16:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miswriting/ 

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message: As Seraphim are included on the dragon template, should the template be added here? I'm a bit uncertain, given that they are angels first; I'd just like a second opinion. Promestein (talk) 08:49, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dragon Template 

message: The article contains a paragraph describing the Phoenixes and Chalkydri in excessive detail. It suggests that these angels are the same as the Seraphim, but the source provided (Dictionary of Angels) only has this to say:
CHALKYDRI: Archangels of the flying elements of the sun. Mentioned in Enoch II, where they are linked with the phoenixes and placed amidst cherubim and seraphim. The chalkydri are 12-winged. At the rising of the sun they burst into song. Their habitat is the 4th Heaven. In gnostic lore, they are demonic. In Charles' Introduction to Enoch II, the chalkydri are described as "monstrous serpents with the heads of crocodiles" and as "natural products of the Egyptian imagination." 
I don't think that an article about a particular type of angel needs discuss the etymology of a different type of angel just because the two are mentioned side by side in one text. After all, the article doesn't go into detail about ophanim, cherubim, etc.
IYY (talk) 23:21, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phoenixes and the Chalkydri 

message: just adding that Warhammer 40k uses seraphs as a icon/background char around all the heroic space marine named chars of the ultramarine chapter.
as these are not true seraph but winged babies akin to cupids with cybernetic parts and described in lore as some sort of mutant race I am not sure if they are worthy of adding or not.
they are no doubt inspired by Seraph with 40k's use of religions for their leadership.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.226.89 (talk) 02:35, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  pop culture icon 

message: This note is under the Media section:
"In Hindu mythology Serpentine-related deities Shiva, Krishna and Anantha Padmanabha are examples of evolution of the entities from the Book of Enoch. Serpentine figures guarding the treasures of Historical temples also evolved from the 'seraphim in the God's throne room'."
This doesn't seem right to me, and feels too much like it's trying to force a non-Christian religion into a Christian lens.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:C01:CAAF:F4AF:DBB7:D9C:392D (talk) 23:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hinduism? 

message: Guuurrrrllll 141.168.57.182 (talk) 00:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guuurrrllll 

message: As is noted in the article about the Book of Enoch it is considered canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.   So this statement is an incorrect generalization: "Seraphim are mentioned as celestial beings in the non-canonical Book of Enoch and the canonical Book of Revelation.".   
This sentence should be revised to use a more accurate, and less sweeping description. ZeroXero (talk) 02:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book of Enoch is not "non-canonical" to all Christians