Talk:Flemming Rose

message: At least pretend to be neutral. This article is plagued with weasel words, original research and is simply a hit piece. We can do better. Kyaa the Catlord 17:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, the weasel words are gone for the most part. Now if someone could find some sources for this would be much better. Kyaa the Catlord 17:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: weasel words

message: Does anyone know Flemming Rose's racial background?   He seems connected with Russia, but his name implies he maybe of Hungarian or Jewish origin? Druidictus 21:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Racial background?? Human being, nomatter what you may think about him! I believe it would be more relevant to state his shoe size Bertilvidet 15:08, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ayatollah Komeini was also part Jew, what does that tell?
Per several internet sources he is Jewish and from the Ukraine. His career is also detailed.159.105.80.141 13:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Flemming Rose's Racial Background? 

message: ::Twthmoses:  I began updating entries on wikipedia yesterday.  you keep removing references to Flemming Rose’s Jewish roots and to his place of birth – the Ukraine. My question to you is why? Flemming Rose’s Jewish roots is vital information in light of the fact that he came to the united states to meet with one of the most arab-hating Neocons by the name of Daniel Pipes.   Please also notice that I do not remove anyone’s entries on wikipedia, I only add mine.  Why must you resort to removing entries? Why can’t you add your own?  Go ahead and tell us where Flemming Rose was born. 
Who makes you the lord to decide which articles stand and which ones are removed? what makes you think that a newsweek article is more truthful than one by many of the great bloggers, one being www.kurtnimmo.com? Ronam
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: Unbelievable. This is getting ridiculous now. I don’t even want to answer this anymore (already done so several times on this page). Yes I know it you Catstail and your cohorts of ips; there are no way new users and new anonymous IPs come to wiki and as their very first task jump on to this page and follower your trip. We need administrators to come and hopefully block this page from anonymous IPs and new user ability to edit.
: Short, even though I now know it is pointless to argue with you, I do not know his family background, thus I do not writing anything… do you understand that? You claim his this and that, so I ask you to source it, you seemly can’t, which makes your insertion pointless to wiki and in fact it is policy to active delete unverifiable thing. Anything that cannot be sourced has no place on wiki, this is fundamental wiki stuff. So there is no chance this is gonna stay unless you source it. Btw nice of you to sign with Ronam …heheh  Twthmoses 17:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Twthmoses: if not Ukraine, where was Flemming rose born?

message: Will you please be reasonable? This is not an encyclopaedia for conspiracy theories, “I think”, and ”I believe”. Anything you can source so others can check it is valid to include. The insertions you have made the last few days are unverifiable. Source it so others or I can check it. You must have it from somewhere if it is true, right? So source it. Where does all that Ukrainian and Jewish family descendent come from?
Also understand there is a difference between Works, External links and Source / References so you cannot just leap everything in under References.
Works are things the man has done. External links are something like further reading and Source / References are sources used to draw from to make the page in the first place.
And Catstail stop moving around the talk page entries, what is the point? You are splitting up comments by users and that is vandalism. Add a new entry if you got something to say. How difficult can it be? So please be reasonable and lets try and work this out, shall we? Twthmoses 08:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Catstail]], [[User:Kembali]] and anonymous ips

message: ===Christopher Bollyn (internet conspriracy theorist) on Flemming Rose===
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-	The following comments are taken from an email sent to Prof. Mikael Rothstein of the University of Copenhagen and Flemming Rose, the editor of Jyllands Posten who commissioned the anti-Muslim cartoons. In this letter I strongly urge that Denmark, and those responsible like Rose, immediately issue a formal and complete apology to the Muslims of the world. 	 
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-	Thank you for your note. I am an American journalist who has lived in the Middle East for years and have a degree in History with emphasis on the Middle East. Having lived among Muslims, I have a good understanding of their religious values. This is why I responded so quickly when I became aware of these cartoons that Flemming Rose had commissioned and then published. 	 
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-	About, Flemming Rose, allow me to clarify my line of questioning a bit. My question of Flemming Rose's religious persuasion is not the point. The real issue is where does his loyalty lie? 	 
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-	The anti-Muslim cartoon scandal is clearly turning out to be a key event in the Zionist Neo-Cons' "clash of civilizations," the artificially constructed struggle to pit the so-called Christian West against the Islamic states and peoples. 	 
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-	We know that Flemming Rose is a colleague and fellow of the Zionist Neo-Con Daniel Pipes. He has visited Pipes in Philadelphia and written a friendly biographical article which is featured on Daniel Pipes Danish website. 	 
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-	As you know, Pipes is a radical Zionist of the most extreme sort - a hard-line Jabotinsky sort of Zionist. You know, the Iron Fist-Iron Brain, kind of Zionist - the kind that considers Ariel Sharon to be soft on the Palestinians. 	 
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-	We know that there are radical Zionists among Danish Christians as there are millions of Christian Zionists in the USA. The real question is what does Flemming Rose believe? 	 
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-	Is he a Christian Zionist who is leading a kind of Danish crusade against Islam? 	 
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-	Is he an atheist who does not care about or respect the beliefs of Muslims? 	 
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-	...or, is he a closet Jew who denies his Jewish roots and waves his Danish citizenship while waging a poorly-disguised Zionist campaign against Muslims and Arabs? 	 
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-	Because of Rose's close connection with Daniel Pipes, his position as "cultural editor" and his physical appearance, I suspect the latter is the case. I think Rose is a Zionist agent who has created this scandal for a strategic purpose. 	 
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-	Rose should be arrested and interrogated for his actions in creating hatred and hostility against people of another religious group. Why is his crime against an entire people not considered a crime in Denmark? 	 
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-	If holocaust skeptics are arrested and held in jail for raising questions about the holocaust, why is Rose allowed to wage media terror and offend millions of Muslims with impunity? 	 
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-	I think this scandal has actually been created and is being manipulated by a hidden hand in order to foment racial and religious hatred in Denmark and across Europe and the Middle East. Why else would the Danish government not do the sensible thing and issue a formal apology? 	 
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-	You do realize that the crisis will continue and deepen until the Queen or the Prime Minister issue a formal and heartfelt apology, don't you? This could become a religious and civil war between Europeans and Muslims. Europe has had a few such wars in the past. 	 
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-	How much does Denmark want to lose before it does the only proper and sensible thing and issue an apology? Do they want Denmark and Europe to suffer more? 	 
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-	Muslims imams are now calling for the heads of Flemming Rose and those responsible for the cartoons. He should immediately issue a sincere and public apology to the Muslim people. If he does not do so, I fear his life will be in danger. 	 
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-	Furthermore, if he continues to refuse to apologize, it only proves that his effort, which has lead to such hostility, was intentional all the way. If that is the case, he should be arrested and put in prison because he has been directly responsible for the insult he has caused millions of Muslims and the consequent damage he has caused to Denmark and the Danish people. 	 
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-	The damage to Denmark's image, prestige and economy is likely to be severe and long-lasting. Danish lives are clearly in danger. 	 
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-	As a religious scholar of high standing, Mr. Rothstein, you and other concerned citizens should urge the Queen of Denmark and Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen to issue an apology as soon as possible. Otherwise the crisis will only get worse and the relationship between Denmark and the Islamic world will never be repaired. Who could possibly want such an outcome? 	 
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-	Muslims have a strict code of honor and Denmark has committed a grave insult and affront against Islam - therefore, there is only one way out and that is to issue a sincere apology and ask for forgiveness - and then pray and work for peace. 	 
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-	Christopher Bollyn
--Spangineer (háblame) 01:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  added by anon to article; not sure if it's worth anything 

message: -		 
-	The following comments are taken from an email sent to Prof. Mikael Rothstein of the University of Copenhagen and Flemming Rose, the editor of Jyllands Posten who commissioned the anti-Muslim cartoons. In this letter I strongly urge that Denmark, and those responsible like Rose, immediately issue a formal and complete apology to the Muslims of the world. 	 
-		 
-	Thank you for your note. I am an American journalist who has lived in the Middle East for years and have a degree in History with emphasis on the Middle East. Having lived among Muslims, I have a good understanding of their religious values. This is why I responded so quickly when I became aware of these cartoons that Flemming Rose had commissioned and then published. 	 
-		 
-	About, Flemming Rose, allow me to clarify my line of questioning a bit. My question of Flemming Rose's religious persuasion is not the point. The real issue is where does his loyalty lie? 	 
-		 
-	The anti-Muslim cartoon scandal is clearly turning out to be a key event in the Zionist Neo-Cons' "clash of civilizations," the artificially constructed struggle to pit the so-called Christian West against the Islamic states and peoples. 	 
-		 
-	We know that Flemming Rose is a colleague and fellow of the Zionist Neo-Con Daniel Pipes. He has visited Pipes in Philadelphia and written a friendly biographical article which is featured on Daniel Pipes Danish website. 	 
-		 
-	As you know, Pipes is a radical Zionist of the most extreme sort - a hard-line Jabotinsky sort of Zionist. You know, the Iron Fist-Iron Brain, kind of Zionist - the kind that considers Ariel Sharon to be soft on the Palestinians. 	 
-		 
-	We know that there are radical Zionists among Danish Christians as there are millions of Christian Zionists in the USA. The real question is what does Flemming Rose believe? 	 
-		 
-	Is he a Christian Zionist who is leading a kind of Danish crusade against Islam? 	 
-		 
-	Is he an atheist who does not care about or respect the beliefs of Muslims? 	 
-		 
-	...or, is he a closet Jew who denies his Jewish roots and waves his Danish citizenship while waging a poorly-disguised Zionist campaign against Muslims and Arabs? 	 
-		 
-	Because of Rose's close connection with Daniel Pipes, his position as "cultural editor" and his physical appearance, I suspect the latter is the case. I think Rose is a Zionist agent who has created this scandal for a strategic purpose. 	 
-		 
-	Rose should be arrested and interrogated for his actions in creating hatred and hostility against people of another religious group. Why is his crime against an entire people not considered a crime in Denmark? 	 
-		 
-	If holocaust skeptics are arrested and held in jail for raising questions about the holocaust, why is Rose allowed to wage media terror and offend millions of Muslims with impunity? 	 
-		 
-	I think this scandal has actually been created and is being manipulated by a hidden hand in order to foment racial and religious hatred in Denmark and across Europe and the Middle East. Why else would the Danish government not do the sensible thing and issue a formal apology? 	 
-		 
-	You do realize that the crisis will continue and deepen until the Queen or the Prime Minister issue a formal and heartfelt apology, don't you? This could become a religious and civil war between Europeans and Muslims. Europe has had a few such wars in the past. 	 
-		 
-	How much does Denmark want to lose before it does the only proper and sensible thing and issue an apology? Do they want Denmark and Europe to suffer more? 	 
-		 
-	Muslims imams are now calling for the heads of Flemming Rose and those responsible for the cartoons. He should immediately issue a sincere and public apology to the Muslim people. If he does not do so, I fear his life will be in danger. 	 
-		 
-	Furthermore, if he continues to refuse to apologize, it only proves that his effort, which has lead to such hostility, was intentional all the way. If that is the case, he should be arrested and put in prison because he has been directly responsible for the insult he has caused millions of Muslims and the consequent damage he has caused to Denmark and the Danish people. 	 
-		 
-	The damage to Denmark's image, prestige and economy is likely to be severe and long-lasting. Danish lives are clearly in danger. 	 
-		 
-	As a religious scholar of high standing, Mr. Rothstein, you and other concerned citizens should urge the Queen of Denmark and Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen to issue an apology as soon as possible. Otherwise the crisis will only get worse and the relationship between Denmark and the Islamic world will never be repaired. Who could possibly want such an outcome? 	 
-		 
-	Muslims have a strict code of honor and Denmark has committed a grave insult and affront against Islam - therefore, there is only one way out and that is to issue a sincere apology and ask for forgiveness - and then pray and work for peace. 	 
-		 
-	Christopher Bollyn
--Spangineer (háblame) 01:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Christopher Bollyn (internet conspriracy theorist) on Flemming Rose'''

message: Having looked over all insertions by Catstail and all his puppets accounts and anonymous Ips, and that Catstail has repeatedly been asked to source them; I have come to the conclusion that, Catstail does not have them, Catstail may actually be trying to build a source here on Wiki and Catstail is obsessed with a Pipes-Jew-Rose connection, which by the shire nil that is available is close to original research. 
This is the source Catstail has given for “born 3/14/1956 into a Jewish family in the Ukraine”. Like me when finish reading this link you will probably be like one big huh? Not only is this like a forum, but there is also nothing about Rose in there. But if you look really hard though the archives you will find a comment to a February 11, 2006 entry, by a certain David Allen, who writes this;
: Flemming Rose born 3/14/1956 into a Jewish family in the Ukraine has a major in Russian language and literature from University of Copenhagen. From 1990 to 1996 he was the Moscow correspondent for the newspaper Berlingske Tidende. Between 1996 and 1999 he was the correspondent for the same newspaper in Washington, D.C.. In 1999 he became Moscow correspondent for the newspaper Jyllands-Posten and January 2005 the cultural editor of that paper (KulturWeekend). He fled Denmark where he was under police protection to Miami, Florida in fear for his life where he is currently in hiding.
This looks suspiciously familiarly, and that is because this is a mirror of Revision 14:01, 10 February 2006 of this page! Nice try of circular logic. Which again leaves us with, source me this “born 3/14/1956 into a Jewish family in the Ukraine” (also note that 3/14/1956 is original inserted as 3/14/1960)
Given that for seven day you have been asked to source your insertions and seemly are unable to, I can only assume you are deliberately trying to falsify the page with something you have no factual knowledge or source about. I cannot see this as a good-faith effort to improve the encyclopaedia, thus I have filed a vandalism in progress. I have also put a  on your talk page. Twthmoses 08:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just saw you filed vandalism in progress against me vandalising this page. Now that is comedy :) You got a sense of humour I grant you that. Hopefully that will bring more users to this page and some 3rd party opinions. Twthmoses 12:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect information and Disruptive Insertions

message: What is the source to the statement, that he was born in 1956?
According to the Danish newspapers "Information" (February 11. 2006) and "Politiken"  (February 9. 2006) he is 47 year old not 49 years old. Hekatombe 06:30, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is based on this (JP explorer) where he is listed as 43 year in 1999. I can truly say I don’t know for sure, and cannot find a 2nd source to confirm it. I’m all for removing it if we are in doubt.  and all his cohorts acounts seem to know a great deal about this man, even birthday, but dispite being asked for 8 days now, he has still to give a source for anything. Twthmoses 12:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to Fyns Stiftstidende february 11th, 2006, Flemming Rose was born March 11 1958 (Well, at least the conspiracy theorists got the month right :) ). I'll add it. Hekatombe 10:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The date March 11 1958 is supported by Flemming Rose's entry in Danske Journalister 2000, the latest published edition of the listing of members of Journalistforbundet (the Danish Journalists' Union).--82.211.249.10 21:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flemming Roses age? 

message: Flemming Rose is a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute.https://www.cato.org/people/flemming-rose 
Also, there's some similarity in the text... That can't be right... 
was principally responsible for the September 2005 publication of the cartoons that initiated the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy early the next year, and since then he has been an international advocate of the freedom of speech.
was principally responsible for the September 2005 publication of the cartoons that initiated the Muhammad cartoons controversy in early 2006. Since then, he has been an international advocate for freedom of speech 
Benjamin (talk) 11:34, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  CATO 

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