Talk:Amadou Toumani Touré

message: *Article: :fr:Amadou Toumani Touré
*Corresponding English-language article: Amadou Toumani Touré
*Worth doing because: Broaden people's knowledge, info in French in English article needs translation
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*Status: done by User:70.50.92.130. Noted and minorly cleaned up by --Wonderfool t(c)e) 13:10, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation details 

message: As Toure was leaving office in 2012, the related article Malian presidential election, 2012 should be linked to and that needs expansion to deal with this (like does the election get cancelled? I suppose so, since so why would you have a coup if elections are almost there?) 70.24.248.7 (talk) 05:18, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012 elections 

message: I don't see how we can say the presidency is disputed. Touré was ousted and is, as far as anyone can tell, not in charge of anything. Reports have generally indicated that he's holed up in a military camp where some loyal soldiers are with him. He hasn't even made any public comment on the situation. We don't say a person is still president if they have been removed from power, regardless of whether the legitimacy of that transfer is disputed. Everyking (talk) 12:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no evidence that he is controlling any territory or doing any sort of governing. All the evidence suggests that the junta controls the whole country except for the portions held by Tuareg rebels. It doesn't matter whether he resigned—leaders seldom formally resign when they are deposed in a coup, yet we don't count them as continuing in office, because we define things according to actual political power, not constitutional legitimacy. Everyking (talk) 19:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Disputed" 

message: Three things: One, there's a statement of dubious worth here: "On 21 March, mutinous soldiers in Kati barracks, near Bamako, revolted against the idea of fighting in the North". While unwillingness to fight is possibly one motivation behind the mutiny, there's certainly no consensus around that factor being the main, let alone only, motivation. The mutineers/putschists used several claims to try and justify their actions, from inadequate resources for the military to ATT's alleged corruption. While this section need not take the putschists' claims at face value, it should at minimum refer to those claims. 
Two, the section should be updated to reflect ATT's departure into exile in Senegal on April 19.
Three, the junta's abbreviation has been rendered "CNRDRE" more or less consistently since April, and this entry should reflect that rendering.
If there are no objections I would be glad to make these changes.
:No objections, assuming you can source all three to reliable sources. I say go for it. Khazar2 (talk) 02:29, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 2012 coup d'état update and corrections

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