Talk:Ruritania

message: One more series in Ruritania theme:  - see particularly "Heart of Oskar Prinz", "Henry in High Politics" and this chapter 
In  the end chapter of Oskar Prinz, a reconstruction of Ruritanian monarchs is as follows:
1436: marriage between Duchess Osra and count Rudolf of Elphberg from Swabia
The kings and queens of Ruritania
House of Elphberg
Rudolf I (1644-1665) formerly Duke Rudolf VI
Rudolf II (1665-1707) son
Henry the Lion (1707-1739) son
Rudolf III (1739-1781) son - his wife "Margaret of Tuscany" presumably was a non-existen daughter of this guy: 
Ferdinand (1781-1814) son
Henry II (1814-1822) brother
Rudolf IV (1822-1854) son
Rudolf V (1854-1862) son
Flavia (1862-1880) cousin
House of Thuringia
I think we should distinguish between the hard facts, legitimate deductions and purely imaginary additions in this list.
The hard facts are the following rulers;
Henry the Lion (unnumbered, probably the first) elderly at the beginning of Heart of Princess Osra and dead in later stories.
Rudolf III (prince at the beginning of Heart and during the adventure in England that produced the Rassendyl line, recorded in Prisoner of Zenda) Already King (as a young man, probably with a long reign before him) in later chapters of Heart.
Two unnamed sons of Rudolf III and his wife Margaret of Tuscany, babies in later chapters of Heart. Probably the elder of these boys qas the next king. Rudolf III has one brother Henry, married to Countess Hilda during Heart, and one sister Princess Osra,married to the unnamed Grand Duke of Mittesheim in Heart.
Unnamed King, father of Rudolf V (by a first royal marriage) and Duke Michael of Strelsau (by a second morganatic marriage), mentioned (generally with respect)as recently dead at the beginning of Prisoner.
Rudolf V (inherited the throne at the beginning of Prisoner. Dead by the end of Rupert of Hentzau after a brief reign).
Flavia cousin and consort of Rudolf V, reigned alone after his death, apparently until at least the date of publication of Rupert. 
The legitimate deductions are the existence of Rudolf I and Rudolf II as kings of Ruritania (probably of the Elphberg line) prior to Henry the Lion
and the existence of Rudolf IV between the reigns Rudolf III and Rudolf V. The amount of time (roughly 140 years) between the accession of Rudolf III and Rudolf V  requires there must have been at least one and probably at least two kings of Ruritania not named Rudolf in the period between Rudolf III and Rudolf V.
There must also have been a junior Elphberg line that resulted in Flavia, a cousin of Rudolf V (but not too close a cousin, since she was marriageable to Rudolf V under Catholic canon law, unless we assume a dispensation). It is possible that she was descended from Prince Henry's marriage to Hilda, but she might have been descended from an unknown junior Elphberg of the period between the reigns of Rudolf III and Rudolf V.
It is possible she was descended from the younger of the two unnnamed sons of Rudolf III.
All the remaining named rulers in the list above are, as far as I know, purely imaginary (though Ferdinand's name derives from the name of a ruler of Tuscany who might have been father of Rudolf III's wife Margaret). 
12.169.121.2 (talk) 21:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: from that genre:
When king Rudolf VI, the English prince, had ascended, his "only cousin" Eleanor was confirmed as heiress presumptive, Princess Eleanor of Ruritania. The uncle, Lord Robert Rassendyll, was invested as Count of Hentzau. Henq 12:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rothenia" 

message: I suggest additional text might describe the over-elaborate military uniforms of the world. This possibly comes from PG Wodehouse's descriptions of the Hotel Commissionairesas ex-Kings or ex-Grand Admirals.
There is a whole male peacockery space for the gold braid, epaulettes, funny hats and bemedalled but unheroic chests of the world's display or parade uniforms. The kind of gear worn by the British Royal Family on parade occasions is very Ruritanian.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seantmchugh (talk • contribs) 11:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruritania and Military Uniforms  

message: I suggest additional text might describe the over-elaborate military uniforms of the world. This possibly comes from PG Wodehouse's descriptions of the Hotel Commissionaires as ex-Kings or ex-Grand Admirals.
There is a whole male peacockery space for the gold braid, epaulettes, funny hats and bemedalled but unheroic chests of the world's display or parade uniforms. The kind of gear worn by the British Royal Family on parade occasions is very Ruritanian.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seantmchugh (talk • contribs) 11:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruritania and Military Uniforms  

message: Is this accurate?
"In The Heart of Princess Osra, set in the eighteenth century, Hope refers to a palace 'burned down by the people in 1848."
The eighteenth century was from 1701 to 1800.  Why would a book set then refer to something that happened in 1848?
208.181.25.30 (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  An Inaccuracy? 

message: I remember hearing somewhere that Ruritana was meant as a satire of the instabitily of the Balkans of the time.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.237.126 (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satire? 

message: Is there a rationale for why this country is linked in the "See also" section? That article never mentions Ruritania and this one gives no connection between itself and Liechtenstein. If there is no objection, I'll remove it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.26.90.240 (talk) 19:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Liechtenstein]]

message: Re Ruritania. Did I miss the citation of Evelyn Waugh's early novel, Vile Bodies? In Vile Bodies the ex-King of Ruritania appears as a  social parasite.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.107.235 (talk) 02:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Awien (talk) 02:56, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ruritania in lierature 

message: In its April 1967 edition the Railway Magazine published a spoof page of photographs purporting to show the railways of Ruritania.  In fact the locations of the photographs were in Britain, as could be deduced from thinly disguised names in the captions. AllanC41 (talk) 22:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  An April Fool 

message: That fictional ship is mentioned in A.C. Doyle's The Adventure of the Illustrious Client.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.148.202 (talk) 10:55, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liner ''Ruritania'', a Holmesian homage 

message: Odd....of all the books mentioned that were influenced by this book, no word of the most celebrated of them all:  Nabokov's "Pale Fire."  NaySay (talk) 21:27, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pale Fire? 

message: The article says that Strelsau is 'between Dresden and Prague'. There is however no mention I can find of Prague in any of Hope's books. Certainly, there are mentions of Dresden. But no real indication of which direction(s) Rassendyll travels after leaving there. 
If he travelled towars Prague from Dresden, crossed the border somewhere near the modern German/Czech border on the Dresden-Prague railway line, travelled 10 miles to Zenda, then travelled another 50 miles to Strelsau in the same direction, he would have travelled about 60 miles (about 96km), after crossing the border. That would put Strelsau in the same position as Prague, not on the way. On the other hand, if Rassendyll crossed the border and the turned perpendicular to the border and travelled 50 miles, that would put Strelsau either near Carlsbad, or Liberec.
86.2.150.197 (talk) 22:34, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography? 

message: Only one of these is mentione before discussing how they relate to the geography of the novel. Citations to the others need to be given.
--Redorc01 (talk) 17:30, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hawke, Spurling, Haythorne