Talk:Shekhinah

message: Shekinah and Shekina are the more popular English spellings for the female presence of Glory of God. Strange that you would pick the spelling Shekhinah to headline the article. 
I suggest that you change the title of the article to Shekinah. Then give the explanation that Shekina is more the Kabbalah (or Latin Cabala) and Hebrew spelling for the Glory of God. 
All the spellings of Shekinah should be capitalized like the terms for Shakti or Holy Spirit. 
I tried to fix up this article a bit by adding the section on the Shekinah as an angel, and by fleshing out the references to Biblical passages.  I removed the stub tag, as I feel this article is no longer a stub, but I left the clean-up tag since I think it still needs some work.  Sadly, I'm not educated enough on the subject to do it ^^;  --Togemon 19:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hebrew word and Jewish religious concept "shekhinah" is never pronounced without the kh. Although Wikipedia often converts an initial ch/kh to an h (as in Haredi, it doesn't alter the gutteral in intermediate syllables (as in halachah). Wikipedia standard usage for hebrew/Jewish concepts is to use modern standard Hebrew prononuciation, usually Sephardic, although Ashekenzic is used for specifically Ashkenazic people and developments. Thus the Beis Yaakov article (an Ashkenzic development) is not called "Beth Jacob" The discussion below suggests that there may be a distinct Christian concept called Shekinah involving a concept of "Glory" which may have no or only superficial/incidental relation to the Hebrew word/Jewish concept Shekhinah. There may need to be two separate articles. --Shirahadasha 04:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The H in haredi has nothing to do with the CH in shechina and halacha. The first is a cheth (eighth letter). The second is a Kaph/Khaph (11th letter).Shigaon (talk) 14:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: Creating a point of clarification in the edited information. Overall, most of this seems quite accurate. however, there IS a reference in the text to "Jehovah", and this word is NOT consistent with the Hebrew language, nor is it a word that would EVER be used in the Hebraic context. This word is the Christianized english transliteration that has it's roots in the Hebrew letters most commonly associated with the word "Yahweh". The Hebrew language has no vowls, so the word for "God" - yahweh, or YHWH in english - is as close as one can get to the original. In fact, the word "G-O-D" would never be spoken aloud, nor would the term "Yahweh". But "Jehovah" was translated from "Yahweh" at various stages, but is ONLY refered to by some in the Christian tradition. Since the word "Shekinah" - and it's various spellings - is from the Hebrew language and tradition, and refers to meanings within the Hebrew language and traditions, it seems inconsistent and perhaps even inappropriate to use the word "Jehovah" in any connection with "Shekinah". 
Simply my opinion, based on 2 Master's degree's in the theological and biblical studies. :-)
:But apparently, despite the degrees, you didn't spot that this passage is a quotation from Easton's Bible Dictionary. If it is to be used as a quotation it should not be altered. Of course Easton's is a Christian dictionary, and is also hardly the latest scholarship, but then again, that's why it's in the public domain. Paul B 17:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification in this description 

message: I added more etymological information including use of the root "SHCHN" in biblical and Mishnaic hebrew. I question the claim that this not a hebrew word, but did not erase the quotation. I will try to find a later dictionary to replace the dictionary quote. Also added more Talmudic quotes connecting the term to joy, music, creativity, and prophecy, as well as imagery used by the Prophets. The article really needs a good work-over from someone versed in kabbalistic sources and able to do them real justice, Shekhinah means far more in Kabbalah than just the "sabbath bride" currently in the article.
Also, I left the references to other religions in but put them all in one place. Not sure they are helpful, since they appear to represent very superficial comparisons that could be misleading. --Shirahadasha 19:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional content 

message: There are a lot of links to sources presenting the Shekhinah as an example of a goddess. Acknowledging the POV exists enough not to be WP:OR, it is at best a very minority position and one not adopted by any mainstream version of Judaism. Would like to prune these links if no objections. --Shirahadasha 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately Wikipedia can't accept editors' personal research and opinions. Best, --Shirahadasha 01:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll point out that "The Da Vinci Code" is a work of fiction. Like most modern works of fiction the book states that its portrayals are purely fictitious and are not to regarded as actual representations.  If you want to add a "popular culture" section or similar and mention the Da Vinci code I wouldn't object, but a novel is not a reliable source for an encyclopedia article on any subject other than novels. Best, --Shirahadasha 01:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The Hebrew Goddess by Raphael Patai apparently discusses this interpretation.  I haven't read it though. 207.241.239.70 (talk) 23:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Shekhinah as goddess

message: When we look at the types presented in Creation, we find an example in the sun and the moon. The greater gives light and the lesser one reflects the light. In Joseph's dream, we find that the sun is portrayed as masculine (as in Jacob) whilst the moon is thus deemed feminine.
If we apply this analogy to Israel (declared feminine, as his "bride"), we can see that through being given the covenant and submitting to Him, that they were to reflect the glory of God before the nations.
We find that the first-born Israelites were redeemed through the Levites, and God promised that his new covenant, through the Spirit, would be upon all people (Joel).
Paul talks about being grafted into the spiritual life of thew Jews, and in many regards, like Ruth, those people are brought into that relationship to become a part of his people by following the Lord, but at this time it is not by being the first-born, or being from the tribe of Levi, but by the power of His Spirit. The term "bride" continues to be applied to those who are called his people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by J.christianson (talk • contribs) 
Hello, this is an encyclopedia, this Talk page is for discussion of the article's content. Please, respect your peers and Wikipedia, and don't use these pages for musings or proslytizing. --Shirahadasha 04:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Musings on "femininity"

message: Quoting from image caption:
"
The Shekinah enters the Tabernacle. 
In traditional Judaism, unlike in some Christian culture, 
Divinity is not personified in visual imagery of a person."
With all due respect, I actually revere Jewish tradition.
1. Divinity is traditionally personified, Ganesha is the funniest.
2. The Jews represent an ultimately awesome linguistic embodiment of philosophical non-being with "mystical" Kabbalah.
3. Christian religious symbolism is a means for the intelligence to liberate, and ONLY because Jesus was a Jew.
4. The horror of "New Age" trends and conspiring occultists appropriating Jewish practices is the root human problem.
5. The Greeks realized sphere-nature of the Earth at the same time, so think about that when in doubt!
thank You,
Tom the Greek.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.0.220.171 (talk) 13:17, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  root of confusion 

message: Above Avarot, the highest heaven, there is alleged to be a rainbow of this description, but no rainbow is found in this article. Anyone familiar with this? Twillisjr (talk) 18:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 Enoch 22 "Rainbow of Shekhinah" 

message: For example: "Patai draws a historic distinction between the Shekhinah and the Matronit." is the only instance of the word "Matronit" without explaining what or who this Matronit is, even as Matronit link to this very article. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 12:56, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing mess 

message: The term "Shekhinah" or "Shekinta" is actually pre-rabbinic (as Rabbinic is commonly understood). It was used first in the Targums (Onkelos & Neofiti). So it's definately inaccurate to describe it's use as purely Rabbinic and not biblical. Onkelos was contemporary with Jesus & the Apostles. I'm even half sure there's an NT reference to reading the Targum.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.141.195.67 (talk) 10:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Rabbinic Usage 

message: In the Christianity section, I have deleted comments which do not refer to Shekhinah but do refer to the Holy Spirit in Christianity. Editors are welcome to add them to that page; they do not fit here. That is not bigotry (parts of the Christianity section which *do* refer to Shekhinah have not been deleted). Ar2332 (talk) 18:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holy Spirit in Christianity 

message: I think this is vandalism to make specific references (links) on the WWW appear nonsensical. Anyway, the full quote is "In the imagery of the Kabbalah the shekhinah is the most overtly female sefirah, the last of the ten sefirot, referred to imaginatively as 'the daughter of God'. ... The harmonious relationship between the female shekhinah and the six sefirot which precede her causes the world itself to be sustained by the flow of divine energy. She is like the moon reflecting the divine light into the world." and it seems to me if you're going to quote somebody you at least owe it to that person to let their quote complete their poetic thought instead of butchering their word. Of course you have to find a logical cut off point --209.204.41.233 (talk) 07:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Likely vandalism on quote