Talk:Borf

message: I have reverted Borf to a redirect to this article and have removed the following text:
:Borf is not caught.
:Borf is many. Borf is none. Borf is waiting for you in your car. Borf is in your pockets. Borf is running through your veins. Borf is naive. Borf is good for your liver. Borf is controlling your thoughts. Borf is everywhere. Borf is the war on boredom. Borf annihilates. Borf hates school. Borf is a four letter word for joy. Borf is quickly losing patience. Borf yells in the library. Borf eats pieces of shit like you for breakfast. Borf is digging a hole to China. Borf is bad at graffiti. Borf is ephemeral. Borf is invincible. Borf. Borf ruins everything. Borf runs near the swimming pool. Borf keeps it real. Borf writes you love letters. Ol’ Dirty Bastard is Borf. Borf knows everything. Borf is in the water. Borf doesn’t sleep. Borf systematically attacks the infrastructure of the totality. Borf is a foulmouth. Borf eats your homework. Borf brings you home for dinner. Borf is the dirt under your fingernails. Borf is the song that never ends. Borf gets down. Borf gets up. Borf is your baby. Borf is neither. Borf is good for your heart, the more you eat the more you. Borf is. Borf knows. Borf destroys. Borf is immortal. Borf pulls fire alarms. Borf scuffs the gym floor. Borf is looking through your mom’s purse. Borf is M. Borf is the size of Alaska. Borf likes pizza. Borf is in general. Borf ain’t nothin’ to fuck with. Borf runs it. Borf has reflexes like a cat. Borf is immortal. Borf sticks gum under the desk. Borf is omnipotent. Borf is flawed. Borf is winning.
If you can think of an appropriate way to incorporate it into this article, please feel free.  Thanks.  Doctor Whom 18:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: I took this out of the article:
:"*The following article has a negative bias against BORF, but more importantly it is without much factual basis in a number of ways the most important of which is that BORF is not one person.  I have tagged BORF myself and know others who have done so as well.  As an autobiography this entry fails even more.  This article failed to mention any of John's more "mainstream" accomplishments including his early graduation from high school and his collegiate study, among many other things.  Because I know John personally, and not through the media, which also had gross innacuracies, I will honor his biographical page by saying that whatever is written below does not represent him, he would probably not like to be represented on this website at all.*"
-The article doesn't sound negative to me. It says he's a guy who did graffiti and was arrested, which is all true. As for graduating early from high school and going to college (both of which are hardly unique feats), this needs some other source besides yourself, like "according to the Washington Post..." or whatever. Anybody could claim to know him and say whatever they want about him. If it's in an article somewhere, feel free to put it in here. Make the article better, don't complain about it.
:"As an autobiography this entry fails even more"
-this article isn't an autobiography, unless John Tsombikos started it himself.
:"it is without much factual basis in a number of ways the most important of which is that BORF is not one person"
-the article says this -  "Shortly after his arrest, a group of young people held a rally in Dupont Circle, claiming that they were all Borf and that Tsombikos was one of their group."  You can't say something is a fact if you can't verify it. Whether you knew him or not, we can't just take your word for it. Somebody else could say they knew him and he smelled bad, or whatever, but you wouldn't put that in the article.
Awiseman 14:24, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: [ L D Tibbins 1/1/06: hello, if you consider it relevant I wrote an article on the alleged Borf interview in the WP, mainly deprecating their article, available at http://feedhand.typepad.com/feedhand/2005/11/index.html sorry but I dont get the four 195.92.67.66 22:18, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did you see the thing about the cops and the I Saw You ad? That's very funny! Awiseman 15:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article

message: The prose in this article is awful and needs a cleanup. --Sludge 14:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems ok to me. If you don't like it, fix it. Awiseman 21:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Is it just me, or does anyone else find it somewhat ironic to be reverting vandalism on an article about a vandal?  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Someone deleted the redirect to here on Borf, and I restored it, since I have a feeling that the admin that deleted it didn't see the link between "John Tsombikos" and "Borf".  I'm leaving the "orphaned" tag in place, though, since we still need more links.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to other articles

message: I think notability most definitely isn't established, so if you can help demonstrate it, please do.
Here's how it looks to somebody over the pond:
*Guy gets some local infamy for vandalising walls
*Gets caught
*The vandalism and court case is mentioned in some local newspapers
Where's the notability in that? If I go out and tag some walls, get myself arrested, and have my local newspaper (The Gloucestershire Echo) cover it, do I get a Wikipedia article too? --kingboyk 16:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Several of my friends and I who are all from California know about him. And I'm not a graffiti artist and only have a passing interest in graffiti. I think he's pretty notable. Ungovernable ForcePoll: Which religious text should I read? 03:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
While the article definitely covers Tsombikos, the article also seems to move on to cover the Borf brigade beyond Tsombikos, and therefore it might be worthwhile to make "Borf" the main title, and make Tsombikos the redirect.  Thoughts?  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, you make a valid point. --AW 16:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So do you think that, after the AFD closes, we should make a requested move to change it?  (We have to go through WP:RM to do it because "Borf" as a redirect was created independently.)  SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to "Borf"?

message: :Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Since this is not a vote, please explain the reasons for your recommendation.
*Support. Tsombikos is not notable except for Borf; the article should be his associated moniker, not his real name. - Freechild 23:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the article does not cover the 'concept' more than it does Tsombikos, especially if you discount the quotes from the 'comuniques' (the first of which in particular is plenty long enough to be a copyright violation.) The actual original content that's not directly about Tsombikos totals about five sentences. Not nearly enough to justify a change in topic, even without taking into account that the content on the 'borf brigade' group is very poorly sourced.  -- Vary | Talk 13:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I've stuck this link  into the links section for now, but it does provide a reliable source for the later Borf stuff going on.  I'll work it into the article later.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fox 5 link

message: First of all, I went to the Borf show, and got lots of photos of that.  I'll be putting a lot of that up in Commons when I get a chance.
Also, has anyone found a reliable source for the proceeds from the sale of art at the show paying off all of Tsombikos's restitution?  I got that information from Chuck Burgundy directly, but of course, my word is not a reliable source, and I'd like to see it in print.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Borf show miscellanea

message: I saw that some people are using the word tag incorrectly. This it a tag: [] and this is a graffiti piece [] not a tag. --Evanw 18:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent point.  I called it "tag" because I couldn't think of how else to describe it.  Especially since that particular Borf spot was legally on there.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 15:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject class rating

message: I think adding some things from the Judges sentencing of Borf would be good. For example:
"You profess to despise rich people," she said. "You profess to despise the faceless, nameless forms of government that oppress. That's what you've become. That's what you are. You're a rich kid who comes into Washington and defaces property because you feel like it. It's not fair. It's not right."
"That's not artistic expression," she said. "That is not political expression. That is not grief therapy. That is vandalism." 
"It's not about whether you want to express yourself," she said. "Washington, D.C., is not a playground that was built for your self-expression. It's a place where people, real people, live and care about their communities." 
"You should have been walking out of the front door of this courtroom today," Leibovitz told him. "Unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion that you require more than that to impress upon you the seriousness of what you've done. Not because it's a wall, not because it's a building, not because it's a fixture in some abstract sense. But because of people." 
And he must pay $12,000 in restitution, money that better not come out of his parents' bank accounts, the judge said. "In other words," she said, "not the bogus jobs that your father gives you in New York . . . a real job, going to work like the people you demean, earning it with paychecks and the sweat of your own brow." 
"I want him to see what the inside of the D.C. jail looks like," she said, "because unlike every other person you've seen in my courtroom this morning, who have a ninth-grade education, who are drug-addicted, who have had childhoods the likes of which you could not conceive, you come from privilege and opportunity and seem to think that the whole world is just like McLean and just like East 68th Street. "Well," she said, "it's not."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.114.176.23 (talk) 16:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Source them to a reliable source, and perhaps they can be worked in.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

text: That's pretty reliable, all right.  Do you have the specific article and date, or a link to the article?  This way, we can pin the exact citation to these passages.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:50, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Much appreciated!  I can see this getting worked into the article, too.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:34, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
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