Talk:Beatboxing

message: Surely Bobby McFerrin must be credited for his contributions and publicity of the artform very early on - in the late 1980's. The following text is from the Wikipedia article on Bobby McFerrin: He is known ...  for his ability to use his voice to create sound effects and in vocal percussion, like his recreation of a bass and drums simultaneously, which he achieves by singing while tapping on his chest. Ackerjerr (talk) 21:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bobby McFerrin 

message: which many consider the fifth element - what does this mean?  RickK 21:24, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)
The fith element of hiphop... beatboxing which comes after graffiti spraying, DJing, MCing, and breakdancing. ~ bbglas007 14:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable phrase 

message: Daniel Digby is one of the most famous beatboxers alive today. --Ethethlay 08:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dan Digby 

message: Is this traditional notation diagram at the top of the article really nescessary? It looks awkward and silly and isn't very meaningful; it would also give an unaquainted person the idea that beatboxing is just pronounciation of "boom boom chick" in english, rather than reproducing sounds. I have removed it and edited the definition.
I also don't think SBN is important enough to warrant such a major inclusion right at the top of the article; beat boxing notation is not widely accepted. I have moved this reference to the "Internet Presence" section of the article and removed the link to a specific forum page, which requires registration to view.  It should be noted that this whole section stinks of advertisement for humanbeatbox.com and should probably be replaced. --Kineticturtle 07:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backbeat diagram and SBN 

message: Is it possible to represent the production of sounds using the phonetic sciences or by IPA? I'm just intrigued, since this is a phonetic curiosity. John Riemann Soong 07:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it would be. I'm a beatboxer and a linguistics student, and I've considered using the IPA as a method of transcribing beatboxes, or at least a base method since many of the sounds are not part of normal human speech. I'll consider writing an article about it Dr-ring-ding 17:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wrote something along these lines a while ago: http://www.mcld.co.uk/beatboxalphabet/ - but the big problem is that, as mentioned above, many of the sounds, and especially the important aspects of the sounds that differentiate them and make them realistic, aren't covered by the IPA. So you can use IPA as a base, but it's not necessarily the clearest or most compact way of representing things. (For example, many beatbox tonal sounds involve the lips, tongue, and voice, so a decent IPA transcription would have to involve two or three symbols connected together using tie-bars.) --mcld (talk) 22:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA transcription? 

message: What is the source for this information? On Humanbeatbox.com the origins of beatboxing are seen in more African culture, from Jazz music to barbershop quartets. See http://www.humanbeatbox.com/The_History_of_Beatboxing/p2_articleid/27 for more info. 165.123.174.163 09:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My gut feeling is that somebody's pulling our leg. Dr-ring-ding 17:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imiterio Ruiz 

message: It looked to me like "kennybeats" almost certainly contributed all this information himself, and a google search for his name returns four hits, which are all either unrelated or also contributed by kenny himself, so I removed the Vancouver section. Dr-ring-ding 17:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kenny Beats

message: When a beatboxer is a redlink and there are no links provided, it is difficult to verify whether or not they are an important, notable, or influential part of beatboxing.  What are the thoughts on removing redlinks without sources?  My feeling is that there are enough demonstrably notable beatboxers that it wouldn't hurt the article to remove all redlinks without sources.  janejellyroll 06:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance of various beatboxers mentioned 

message: Personally im a beatboxer and i find these articles full of biased and self-praise
many of the "beatboxer mention" are not even well known]
I think you are right.  Turns out that I was the very first person to create this entry on Wikipedia.  This was before Wikipdeia had reached a critical mass and I wasn't versed in the encyclopedic style and protocol at the time.  I just entered in beatboxing from my perspective, which is all a writer can do really.  It has been through the global community's continuous edits and their clashing that will hopefully bring the biggest perspective to the table.  Thanks. 
and yes beatbox was a loop machine
thus the word human beatbox human replicating beatbox machine
and the earliest replication of beat was based on the roland 808 machine
^---You've deleted notable beatboxers that you may not have heard of, but many in the United States have．It is interesting how you particularly delete my contributions when yours are done amatuerishly. Mine were taken from credible online sources, yet yours come from your own opinion and poor excuse for writing. In fact you're making up beatbox terms. If you're going to contribute, do so credibly. Angelicmusic 23:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some answers 

message: Worthy of a mention for bring the artform to a mass audience. Benjiboi 07:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She finished in the final four but didn't win. Benjiboi 19:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  America's Got Talent & Butterscotch 

message: Very recently, every single piece of information about UK beatboxers was edited out of this page. I attempted to put some of this back in and it got removed again.
Does somebody have something against the UK or was there something wrong with how it was written? Human beatboxing has a massive following in the uk and the biggest beatboxing website in the world is UK based so it deserves to be in this article. If it was removed due to the way it was layed out then please say so we can sort out the layout and wording of it :-)
--BOZE-- (humanbeatbox.com)19:38 11th Sept 07
*UPDATE*
So is nobody big enough to own up to it?
Shameful.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.172.162 (talk) 14:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting Whole sections. 

message: I don't know how to update the main page, but here is some information about female beatboxing:
In the summer of 2007, a 20 year old female from Davis, California was featured as a finalist on NBC's prime time show "America's Got Talent."  This largely caucasian community is at last proving it is capable of producing multi-genre talent.  Here is the link to her show, although she came in second, she is someone who will likely influence the music world in the future.  
http://www.nbc.com/Americas_Got_Talent/episodes/season2/205/americas_got_talent_205_03.shtml
Pandora62 05:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butterscotch Beatboxer 

message: Pink Floyd did it in the 1960s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTfDUyUkVYE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.167.142 (talk) 15:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pink Floyd 

message: The section "modern beatboxing" consists mainly of a list of beatboxing competitions and their winners. Although I can understand the relevance of these facts,  think they would fit more appropriately into a new article of their own or at least a section of their own. zwhen confronted with the title "modern beatboxing", the noemal reader probably expects a section on the characteristics and perhaps the development of beatboxing as an art rather than a list of performers and where they were. Sadly,  don't know enough about the topic to take such a project; anybody else? Erget2005 (talk) 16:39, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reworking section: "Modern beatboxing" 

message: The section "modern beatboxing" consists mainly of a list of beatboxing competitions and their winners. Although I can understand the relevance of these facts,  think they would fit more appropriately into a new article of their own or at least a section of their own. zwhen confronted with the title "modern beatboxing", the noemal reader probably expects a section on the characteristics and perhaps the development of beatboxing as an art rather than a list of performers and where they were. Sadly,  don't know enough about the topic to take such a project; anybody else? Erget2005 (talk) 16:41, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reworking section: "Modern beatboxing" 

message: Somebody added something about Brazil, which I think definitely lacks sources. What should be done? I would revert the edit as it seems not to fit with the remaining of the article, but the content seems real (though not backed up).
What should be done? #!/bin/DokReggar -talk 08:36, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Brazil 

message: Why do people think Doug E. Fresh solely invented Beatboxing? I do accept that he was the one that popularized it however. I guess it's because he self proclaimed it and that's as far as the mainstreem media can see.  Now-a-days since television and media came along we rely too much on media to tell us about our history but a lot of things especially the further back you go were not televised or captured in media form especially in early hip hop history because it was so despised by mainstream media, whites and older blacks at that time due to it's novelty and controversial lyrics. I myself grew up during the start of the hip hop era and I know for a fact that hip hop style Beatboxing was being done years before Fresh. I was a teenager at that time and I can assure you that Fresh who is extremely talented (and I love D. Fresh) and became popular for it did not invent it, it was being done in the streets years before that. Most likely it was some now obscure teenager that created the hip hop version of Beatboxing. Also Micheal Winslow also known as the "Human Sounds Effects Machine" probably contributed, influenced and possibly invented it unintentionally because of the fact that many of the hip hop generation including myself grew up watching him do sound effects which included electronic music beat machines. Whatever the truth I do know that the at least contributed do it's popularity.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Winslow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wga1nLKVlRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0PuIsK2ySk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0PuIsK2ySk
I think people have forgotten how many different things became incorporated into hip hop and also they think Micheal Winslow is imitating hip hop beatboxers but it's more chronologically logical that hip hop beat boxers are imitating him.  I don't think people associate him with Beatboxing because he's a comedian and an actor and not a rapper. But most of rap comes from people in entertainment that rappers grew up watching and listening to, looked up to and incorporated into their music. I and Pioneer rappers grew up in the "T.V." generation when television was fast becoming the primary babysitter of a whole generation of children, especially in the urban inner city. So what we and rappers of that time saw on television had a big influence on hip hop.  This I know for a fact because I lived that piece of history and if you listen you can hear it in the music which often make references to things seen on T.V. This is common place now but it was not so common place then. Also not so well know is that Beatboxing was an inner city artform born of necessity  because if you're a young African American inner city youth and you can't afford expensive musical equipment, what do you do?  You create one, with your own body. I strongly disagree with the part of the article that says that Beatboxing comes from African Amercian "AND" European music traditions. When African American artforms are new and novel the were shunned and despised yet when it becomes lucrative, popular and accepted caucasions attempt to inject themselves into is origins. This is something that should not be forgotten because the fact that it was despised is part of the history it's birth and of it's success. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jparham3 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't forget Micheal Winslow. aka "The Human Sound Effects Machine".

message: It would be incorrect to leave out the performers,  Jimmy Riddle and Jackie Phelps, from the “Hee-Haw" television program.  They performed a routine called Effen and Hambone".  In it one of the guys made monosyllabic noises and mashed his hands together to squeeze out air as his partner slapped a thigh and his chest to provide a backbeat.  This is clearly one originator of the sound. - KitchM (talk) 22:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a link to eefing to fix this. - Noahbirnel (talk) 16:24, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical 

message: Removed "This album" passage as incoherent. The list of performers might be useful, though. Noahbirnel (talk) 16:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prehistory section 

message: This short list seems a mess to me. A siren can be generated electronically, but is originally (and often still) a mechanical noise generator. Dubstep wobble bass is a technique of electronic synthesizers. Synthesizer is such a broad term that I find it hard to believe any beatboxer could claim to imitate 'synthesizers' in general.
Perhaps it could be retitled 'Miscellaneous', and Synthesizer removed?
- Noahbirnel (talk) 16:31, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electronic Effects list 

message: hello, I noticed you just removed a whole lot of content from the article, because it was not sourced. I understand your point of view, but did you consider putting request for references instead? You removed a lot of content that was edited since a few months, and that contain valid information, albeit unsourced. Opinion? #!/bin/DokReggar -talk 13:24, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your polite request and concern.  I appreciate the effort that has gone into this article, and while tagging was an option, it tends to be highly ineffective.  These are items described as "common" within the article text, so for those who have access to sources on the topic, it should be easy to find one.  Additionally, lists of World Champion record holders are a WP:BLP issue, and definitely need sourcing - and should also be easy to find. I'm not looking for perfection, just some reliable sources for large sections of material. Scr★pIronIV 13:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing article sources 

message: As to the history of beat boxing: It was popular in Ska and Early Reggae. Prince Buster did it as early as 1965:  .Probably Paul McCartney (who is mentioned in the article) got it from that tradition. Maybe somebody feels like adding that piece of information.
95.88.148.3 (talk) 09:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  History: Prince Buster