Talk:Hitting for the cycle

message: "Listed below are the 268 occurrences of players "hitting for the cycle" in Major League Baseball (players with multiple occurrences denoted in parentheses, natural cycles in bold):"
What IS a natural cycle? Tromboneguy0186 12:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Defined in the opening paragraph. MisfitToys 22:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I have no idea how I missed that. Tromboneguy0186 01:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Natural cycle?

message: There are lots of players missing from this list that were in the above list.
:Yes, it seems that someone stopped working on the section at the mid-1930s. MisfitToys 20:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players with 2 or more 

message: The list in this very article has 21 by the NY/SF Giants. Where does 22 or 24 come from? Js farrar 03:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giants cycles 

message: TD, PAT, FG, and safety in the same game—ever been done? The Philadelphia Eagles, as a team, did it on Oct. 18, 1992, in a 16-12 loss to the Redskins.--BillFlis 17:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't imagine any players have done it (few kickers will have scored a safety, though perhaps someone did it in the two-way era), but I suspect that most teams that have scored safeties have also picked up the other three in the same game. MisfitToys 23:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But what about a TD, FG, safety, PAT, and a 2 point conversion? That would be more noteworthy, methinks. 71.132.138.14 09:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or TD, PAT, FG, 2-point safety, 1-point safety... -- Jwinters | Talk 00:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Football cycle?

message: He hit for the cycle in reverse -- a leadoff homer, followed by a triple, then a double, and finishing with a single in the 9th. A reverse natural cycle? shaggy (talk) 04:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Luke Scott, Jim Fregosi and Gee Walker have done this also. Saw a tidbit in an ESPN article, dug around and found this box score/play-by-play  to confirm the Fregosi reverse natural cycle. The other two are well-known as "the only two players to ever hit for the reverse natural cycle". shaggy (talk) 18:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Carlos Gomez's Cycle on 5/7/2008

message: Not sure if it deserves mention in this article but on Friday June 6, 2008 4 players from the Colorado Rockies hit for the natural cycle in order in the bottom of the 8th inning.  It went Ryan Spillborghs single,  Todd Helton double, Garret Atkins triple, Brad Hawpe homerun.  Just thought that was interesting anad may deserve mention on this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.187.57 (talk) 03:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is what happens when you combine Wikinerds and baseball nerds.  Tavix, you deserve a neck slap for not noticing that the two incidents happened on successive days.  And for not saying "natural cycle" if that's what you meant.  If you didn't mean "natural" then what you brought up is irrelevant.  Huzzah!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.65.9 (talk) 05:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colorado Rockies 

message: According to Retrosheet.org (see reference), Mike Mitchell (Reds/1911) is no longer credited with a cycle.  Was wondering if there is another source to confirm this?  I made no changes to the page reflecting the new information yet. -- EnjoysButter (talk) 18:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mike Mitchell 

message: I believe I read somewhere in Wikipedia that there have also been 2 reverse natural cycles. I think they ought to be listed. 
Also, no one in major league baseball has ever hit the home run cycle (solo, 2 runs, 3, grand slam). I think A-Rod once came close, getting 3 out of 4, and one really long out. Someone in double A, believe, did so.  
67.83.208.250 (talk) 11:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: there have been 4 reverse natural cycles, as far as I can tell. Gee Walker, Jim Fregosi, Luke Scott, and Carlos Gomez. Most of these are listed in the "statistics" section. shaggy (talk) 14:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverse Natural Cycle/Home Run cycle 

message: Is it worth mentioning in the article that hitting more than the cycle does not count as a cycle?  For example, hitting a HR, triple, and two doubles.  Is this debatable?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.123.95 (talk) 01:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: By that looser definition, all of the four-homer games and many of the three-homer games would also be cycles. WHPratt (talk) 23:35, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Hitting for the cycle is an amusing statistical fluke. It is self-evident that hitting four extra-base hits in a game would be better than hitting for a cycle, but assigning special significance to the cycle is part of baseball tradition.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.21.187.37 (talk) 03:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitting more than the cycle 

message: The content of Natural cycle is covered in Hitting for the cycle.  It seems like duplication to have that other page.  I believe it should be a redirect to this page. --Muboshgu (talk) 22:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Support makes perfect sense to merge. The list of players at Hitting for the cycle already notes those of which were natural cycles. Grsz11 15:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Agreed. — X96lee15 (talk) 16:49, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: Did all of the 1887 cycles consist of four "real" hits, or did some on them use a base-on-balls for the single?  (In 1887, walks were considered hits for the purpose of the batting average.) WHPratt (talk) 21:18, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1887 

message: Note well: the chance of four hitters hitting a single, double, triple, and home run in direct succession is essentially as difficult as one batter doing so in a game in which the batter gets four plate appearances, and more unlikely than a batter getting a cycle in five plate appearances.Pbrower2a (talk) 01:17, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually not, and the scope of this article excludes "team cycles" which are not recognized as cycles by reputable statistical sources. — KV5 • Talk •  01:19, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Sure, and the odds of four players hitting home runs consecutively are also remote, but any team that does so would not have an entry added to List of Major League Baseball hitters with four home runs in one game.  I agree with KV5.  That the media picked up a tangental concept and named it something akin to a cycle doesn't make it any less a case of trivia.  And in this case, trivia given undue weight. Definitely talk about the feat in the appropriate team season and LCS article, but it is out of this article's scope. Resolute 01:25, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Joe Buck or Tim McCarver, I forget which, invented that concept on the air, and some folks picked up on it. It doesn't qualify. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:24, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team cycles 

message: If a source is available, it should be pointed out somewhere in the article that while 4 hits and 10 total bases in a game is a notable feat, hitting for the cycle is a statistical nicety that can potentially be at odds with team play (in this way it differs from a no-hitter, where the only negative impact might be on the pitcher himself in terms of fatigue, bearing in mind future games). An example - and I have seen this in a game, I can't remember who was playing though - would be when a player has hit a home run, a triple and a double, then hits another double. If hitting for the cycle was that important, he would have stopped at first base to pick up the single. Instead, he refused the cycle and continued to second. --Jameboy (talk) 00:44, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refusing the cycle 

message: This article says that there have been 294 cycles in history, while the List of Major League Baseball players to hit for the cycle says 293. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia can't afford to be inconsistent. Can someone please rectify this. Perhaps, to avoid a similar problem in the future (since the list continues to grow), the text should say something like "As of 2012, cycles have occurred N times ...". Thanks, Truthanado (talk) 18:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Data inconsistency 

message: This article listed that only four players hit for the natural cycle in reverse, when in fact I just discovered that Bid McPhee did it as well. I made the change on the main article but couldn't get the reference listed correctly. Below it is listed
An Old-Time Slugging Match.
Cincinnati Commercial Gazette 08-27-1887
Here is a quot from the article that mentions it.
"McPhee's batting for the Cincinnatis was truly the feature of the game for the first time he shouldered the ash he sent the sphere rolling into left for a home run. The next time at bat he scored a triple, a double then next and then a single and a base on balls.
SCSRdotorg (talk) 21:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bid McPhee hit a reverse natural cycle 

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