Talk:Money (KMFDM song)

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message: Alright, I'll bring this up here, to keep the debates here and on Talk:Help Us—Save Us—Take Us Away separate: I think that the mix titles on these remixes should reflect the most current information we have. This would be the titles as listed on the Extra releases. The Extra booklets say "These tracks were originally released on the Money [or whatever song] CD single...", which would indicate that the band considers these to be the exact same mixes/versions/songs/whatever. Just as a spelling error might be corrected in a future re-release/compilation of that title, so might punctuation errors/things included to look cool, like dashes, be corrected/changed/updated. The dashes in the titles do not appear to be considered officially correct, and so I think these pages should reflect those changes. To avoid some WP:3RR and WP:WAR issues, let's hash it out here, and go with consensus. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 00:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they should match whatever the track listings for the releases said, since there are a lot of confusing discrepancies all over the place.  Check out the website discography listing for Brute.  On the single page, the first track is called the "Nihil Mix", but on the Extra 3 page, it's called the "Single Mix" and is a minute shorter.  I don't think we should retroactively change track listings on old releases to match what we think are the same tracks on new releases, as that slips into WP:OR a bit. <B>—Torchiest</B> talk/contribs 02:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

text: I agree.  This really aren't the exact same songs, since they've all been remastered.  Also, saying the song originally appeared on a previous release doesn't say anything about it being the exact same song, just that the original recording was on such and such release.  Also, we can't necessarily trust the re-releases to correct typos etc.  Remember Dogman? <B>—Torchiest</B> talk/contribs 12:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to add, however, that I really don't think it's that important either way.  When I changed the slashes to m-dashes a few months ago, it was because that's how I'd always seen them, and I checked the KMFDM site for quick confirmation.  I didn't think something like that actually be controversial or disputable.  Same thing here: does it really matter if there's a dash or not in the mix name?  I really think we should focus more on adding new content to the articles, instead of arguing over punctuation. This is the same reason I try to avoid getting into edit warring over genres.  <B>—Torchiest</B> talk/contribs 14:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I'll leave them be. I still don't think they belong (they look bad, are inconsistent with conventional naming practices for remixes, and were probably only ever there to look "cool"), but will leave them in the interest of moving forward with article improvement. I see your point with getting into WP:OR, it's a bit of a grey area here (what I quoted was a direct quote from the Extra booklet, which is a little better than the blatant WP:OR of IOBM's "I gave the example of Brute (Original Album-Mix). On the single, it contains the extra sound at the end for the transition to the song Trust, however on Extra, this sound is removed."). If another editor comes along changing them back to spaces, though, I will support that change, and we can take it to a larger group of editors to hash it out then if need-be. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 18:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mean to drag this on any further, but I just want to make it clear that the dashes are half of what we are talking about. The other half being the track lengths. The tracks lengths are different between the original and Extra releases. Put the Extra track lengths on the Extra album page, and the 1992 track lengths on the original release page. We are all collectors and understand that there is a difference. To generalize would be to provide false information. Incredibly Obese Black Man (talk) 23:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mix titles - dashes 

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