Talk:Willamette University/Archive 1

message: I'm a Willamette alum but I'm fairly certain Sally Struthers isn't. I never heard anything about it when I went there. I checked some online bio places for her, but they all say she left Portland when she was 18 to go pursue her showbiz career. Can anybody substantiate that she went here? Also, who is the rhetoric major? The debate part is relevant because WU is known for that, but if you list rhetoric, you should list all Willamette majors. Jbenson964 19:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She did not. See here & here among others. Magus 10:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: My apologies for reverting the edits once again, before realizing that there were comments here on the talk page. However, I still think the revert was justified. To say that university students get together to drink, regardless of what names have been applied to the occasion, doesn't seem like notable or encyclopaedic information. I have seen several edits to other school/university articles in the past, usually using a similar tone, with no real information and that are only intended as "in-jokes" to other school/university attendees that might read the article. I had assumed the same with your edits, but clearly you care enough about the article to discuss it here. If you still think that this information is worth including, even after reading  what Wikipedia is not and the necessity of information being  important, then if you re-add your content perhaps you should also include why this information is useful. As it is, especially since I don't attend Willamette, I don't see that it is. Cheers. --Peruvianllama 01:01, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sally Struthers

message: I agree with Peruvianllama that a drinking get together is not worthy of mention in an encyclopedia.  I also felt that the section on Mill Stream had too much of the same sort of minor information (lawn chairs stewn about...), though I didn't change it. 
Chris 01:42, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If this "tradition" must have a place in the article, can you at least provide information for when it started, and who it involves? In my four years at Willamette (1999-2003) I never heard of it, so I'm wondering if it's a new thing, or if it is primarily a frat thing, or what. The way the article is written, it sounds like an ancient ongoing tradition that everyone takes part in. And that's simply not the case. Someone just needs to back up this information with some facts, so it stops sounding like folklore and starts sounding more encyclopedic. Romarin 03:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I've been around the Willamette campus for a good part of the last 20 years (I live in the "absolute slum" just a few blocks off campus), and I've never heard of it either. Now, Glee — there's a tradition. Sadly, an ex-tradition now.... Twisted86 09:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  delete unimportant info 

message: The article claims it's 69 acres while the website claims 61.  Which is right? --Phoenix Hacker 04:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you just put "roughly 65 acres?" - The Good Doctor (Dr. Zaret) 04:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Acreage

message: I placed an infobox on the article but there is some information missing.  I also had no luck finding a good image.  Anyone feel like filling in the missing information? --Phoenix Hacker 02:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: What is noteworthy about this section? Should eevery department on campus be listed??? Twisted86 09:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, this is a problem. Either no departments should be mentioned, or they all should be. I'm sure that this is just a case of someone belonging to that department wanting to prance around a bit. On the other hand, though, I think the rhetoric dept is fairly well-known, so maybe a good idea would be to choose a few of the more well-known departments (like music, I think... and I'm not sure what else) and do a blurb on each. What about that? romarin [talk ] 14:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the reply. That might work. I guess I kind of muddled the issue. The issue really isn't one of fairness as I implied. What should be the issue is notability, which is inherently unfair. If all the departments in the CLA are truly notable, then away we go! If only some departments are notable, that's okay, too. Twisted86 04:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhetoric section 

message: Danny Glover is a graduate of San Francisco State University  — not Willamette (unless he went to law or business school at WU).
Twisted86 21:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danny Glover 

message: *Oregon Blue Book Aboutmovies (talk) 11:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History source 

message: "oldest university in the western united states." Perhaps a more defined version of what western mean in this contexts is needed.  Everything west of the Mississippi River is also a common definition of the Western United States.  Missouri contains at least three universities. Saint Louis University, University of Missouri, and Lindenwood University that were founded earlier. Grey Wanderer (talk) 01:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the university's logo in the infobox you can see that it claims to be the "first university in the west", thus, I'd say we can safely assume that we are using the definition at Western United States that includes the dark red states. On this coast, we don't usually consider Missouri part of the west. I suppose we could footnote it to explain what I just said above. Katr67 (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The map that is linked to for Western United States clearly shows Missouri in light red and includes the following quote: "The Mississippi River is often referenced as the easternmost possible boundary of The West." It is clearly misleading to claim that Willamette is the oldest college in the "west" and then point to a link that says that Missouri can be part of the west. I recommend that either the claim be removed, or geographical definition be provided that is not plainly misleading. DetrimentalReliance (talk) 21:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It also says "Because the United States expanded westward after its founding, the meaning of the West has evolved over time." and "The states shown in dark red are usually included, while all or portions of the striped states may or may not be considered part of present-day western United States." and "As defined by the Census Bureau, the western United States includes 13 states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming." I'd say common sense would dictate that we're using the definiton that includes the dark red states. But if it's important to you that the lede of the article not be misleading, rewrite it in a way that includes the world "oldest" with the definition that will make that be accurate, rather than taking it out completely. Then you might want to talk to the school: http://www.willamette.edu/index.php Note the masthead on the page. Katr67 (talk) 21:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't need to talk to the school. Willamette is not the oldest college west of the Mississippi - end of story. Even if they believed otherwise, their incorrect claim would not belong in the wiki article. Of course, I'm sure they know that several colleges in Missouri are older, and that is precisely why they say "western united states", an ambiguous term, rather than "west of the mississippi". In any event ambiguity is not good enough. If you want me to correct the entry, I will say it is the oldest college in the united states west of the Xth parallel. (Whatever that happens to be). If you prefer some other way of stating it that isn't misleading or plain wrong, as it is now, you are welcome to suggest it. DetrimentalReliance (talk) 21:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

text: P.S. I note the Census Bureau doesn't count Missouri either. Note that I'm not at all invested in Willamette's marketing and PR claims, and have nothing against Missouri, but I do think that we should be considering the present-day definion of "the West" vs. the 1800 definition. Katr67 (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn't point to the census bureau's definition of "west" - it points to this one: Western United States and it is plain wrong. Apparently the options are 1) remove claim, or 2) provide precise definition of the term "west" that doesn't make the claim false. DetrimentalReliance (talk) 21:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I pick #2. Great idea! Let me know if you need help formatting the citations. Katr67 (talk) 21:29, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Western United States

message: Original text reads "Chi Omega was transformed into a multicultural oriented residence, placing American Willamette students with TIUA roommates and is known as WISH (Willamette International Studies House)." This is not an accurate representation of WISH's role on campus. TIUA students are routinely placed with Willamette students in all residence halls across campus, not only in WISH. Therefore, I have changed the sentence to read, "Chi Omega was transformed into a multicultural oriented residence known as WISH (Willamette International Studies House)." Please discuss if you have any questions or concerns. Midnightreport (talk) 03:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What would be even better is a citation to a published reliable source. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.tiua.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72 This page discusses how TIUA students are dispersed across campus in all the residential living communities. I am working on how to integrate this information into the article. Midnightreport (talk) 07:51, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading WU/TIUA Roommate Information 

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