Talk:2005 Bali bombings

message: Just at the bottom of the page. . . in the "Suspects" section.... there is a line which reads "People from this region deserve death, so it doesn't matter"....
Which is just a TAD disturbing!
Can someone fix this?
EDIT:  Someone just did.  Thanks :D
Can someone find out which JI member said the above sentence? Sounds like JI propaganda to me, should help alot in affirming the motives of the terrorist group in this action.Thankies.
:Keep an eye on User:24.174.101.3, s/he's vandalised a couple of pages today. Cnwb 00:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ummm.... "People from this region deserve death" 

message: Is there currently a wikipedia article on the 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing in Jakarta? Andjam 03:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Feel free to make one. PBP 03:20, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's odd. There should have been one, it was a fairly important event. Battle Ape 04:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriott Hotel bombing article 

message: I think the inclusion of photos of suspects is innappropriate. I think the photos should be withheld until someone claims responsibility. Cnwb 06:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No-one has claimed responsibility for any of the terrorist attacks in Indonesia over the last four years, and it is unlikely they will for this incident. JI still claims to be a legitimate organisation and is not recognised as a terrorist organisation in Indonesia as of yet (but is in Australia and the United States). Neither have resolute connexions been established between those convicted in events past and JI. Thus, it appears speculation is all we have. However, I see no problem with including the image if it pertains to persons suspected by legitimate authorities of involvment.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:57, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with Cyberjunkie. Those guys are suspects wanted by authorities and the photos are presented as such. We, as editors, do not make any judgement or speculation ourselves. If there is still objection to the inclusion, please state the reason clearly. --Vsion 07:09, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry; my words sounded more demanding than intended. I haven't got a serious objection to the inclusion of the photos, and certainly don't intend on pushing the point. I was just trying to say that something about it didn't 'sit right' with me. I should have chosen my words more wisely, or even refrained from mentioning it. Cnwb 08:02, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of suspects 

message: If there are any administrator editors to this article, could they replace the gorilla image on WP:ITN with one related to the bombings, since it is the lead story. Suggested replacements are either :Image:2005 Bali bombings SCTV screenshot.jpg or :Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg, or even :Image:Indonesia flag large.png. My requests on ITN-related pages have gone un-noticed thus far.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 07:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:ITN]]

message: When I read "The bombings occurred the same day that Indonesia cut its fuel subsidies resulting in gas prices rising by 125%", I thought "Man, they take fuel prices even more seriously than us Aussies do!". But the person who added this had in edit comments "(fuel prices -- one, two punch)", presumably suggesting that the terrorists were hoping that the economic damage of the attack would co-incide with the hardship caused by fuel price rise. Just noting this in case anyone else is wondering over the phrase. Andjam 03:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I read it as meaning the Indonesians had a particularly unfortunate Saturday: first, a fuel price hike; second, a brutal terrorist attack. I didn't think it meant the terrorists blew themselves up to correspond with the hike; that was an economically unfortunate coincidence.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:25, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The price hike is a major issue in Indonesia, with considerable discontent. There were initial speculations that the bombings were linked to opposition of these price hikes. Now that the bombings are tied to other previous bombings by JI in Bali and Jakarta; apparently the JI scheduled it on the day of the price hike for significance. Remember the modus operandi: the London metro bombings happened the same day as the G8 summit. --Vsion 07:19, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timing of attack 

message: The last external link refers to XXX page! (link to ogrish deleted by Andjam)
Wic2020 04:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Is linking to XXX against wikipedia policy, or just a bad idea? Andjam 05:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The linked site is a deliberately ghoulish collection of extremely graphic material, the subject of debate about whether it should be shown or not. National and state laws vary around the world about whether such content may be shown. Personally I would rather not see any link to that site unless it is in context, because the public debate is about the merits of providing such content, so linking to it might be seen as taking a stance. If it is linked, I suggest it should follow the tentative guidelines for potentially shocking images. Tale 05:49, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that the above link is related to the 2002 bombing, not the current event. So there is no issue here for removing the link. As for the video clip, I would prefer it be linked to a news media website instead; will try to find one. --Vsion 07:26, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If the problem were only that it was the wrong bombing, the solution would have been to move it to the 2002 Bali bombing page. Andjam 08:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Remove 

message: Some people have been named as being killed by the bombings. Should they be listed somewhere (perhaps on a separate page)? Andjam 10:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a list in the Bahasa Indonesia wikipedia page (currently of 15 people). I'm not sure about including it here, maybe a subpage instead if it is an officially verified list.  --Vsion 10:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to think it's inappropriate. What's the practice on Wikipedia: that is, what have we done with information on the victims of 9/11, the London bombings etc? We must remember that Wikipedia is not a memorial. Additionally, some may find it offensive (ie, loved one's).--Cyberjunkie | Talk 15:17, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Bad idea. — Davenbelle 06:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't intending it as a memorial, just a resource people could look up to confirm that someone they know isn't in the list. I also assumed that if certain names should not be mentioned (if relatives hadn't yet been informed), they wouldn't be mentioned by the mainstream media. Andjam 12:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of the dead 

message: There are an awful lot of statements from various politicians around the world, and they really don't add much to the article.  Wouldn't it be better to summarize? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.170.224.208 (talk • contribs).
:Or alternatively move it to a new page? Chovain 14:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reaction 

message: This article appears to have been ripped more or less straight from this site:
http://www.answers.com/topic/2005-bali-bombings
Krummy2 09:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No - I think you will find it is the other way around. Answers.com is a mirror site of wikipedia - ie, they 'rip off' wikipedia content. But that is OK - wikipedia content is 'free'. Why not check other topics - you will see they are similar. Merbabu 13:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The same? 

message: I understand that nearly 200 people were killed in these bombings, yet the page says only 20 + the 3 murderers. Should the count be updated/corrected?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.253.165.30 (talk) 20:56, August 23, 2007 (UTC) 
:202 were killed in the 2002 Bali bombing --Merbabu 05:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscount on the number of deaths? 

message: With all due respect to its authors, 2005_Bali_bombings#International is not very encyclopedic.  Rather, it is a collection of political press releases.  I mean, one fully expects that the bombings were condemned by every state dept in the world.  That could be said in a sentence , rather than enumerating all of their nearly-identical statements.  I nominate this section for deletion, to help get the article up to standard. --Smilo Don 18:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still hoping for comments here.  Seems to me the whole section should go.  --Smilo Don 19:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to agree with you but it would be valuable to get the opinion of whoever initially put them there. They must have had some reasoning, particularly as there is apparently a lot of effort in the referencing. --Merbabu 01:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No harm in waiting a while, but it would be nice to see someone explain the rationale for keeping it.  I suspect their reasoning, but I'm inclined to disparage the list.  What's the WP protocol? How long do we wait, if no one comes along? --Smilo Don 19:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you ask politely on talk (like here) no will say anything. Remove it, and watch everyone scream. lol. --Merbabu 21:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: PS, it could probably go into some footnote form. I'll look into that. --22:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "International section" is of dubious worth.  Delete?  

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