Talk:Second Life/Archive 2

message: Should there be any references to them?
782 Naumova 12:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grids 

message: From one the first few lines in the article:
"although they are required to offer Linden Lab an open license to it."
I have just read through the Linden Lab's terms of service, and from what I read, the above is false. However I don't speak legalese. Can someone please clarify this? SiliconeGraphox 15:29, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I don't really understand what is meant by an open license. Can someone please clarify this? SiliconeGraphox 08:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content copyrights 

message: That doesn't belong in its own article, and needs more sources.  Good info, though. +sj + 04:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge in [[Anshe Chung]] 

message: i read about an in-game adult-magazine in this wired article: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,69878-0.html
:Itsme 15:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slustler 

message: I think it is a very well written article but there are at least 2 more entries to the list of competitors I feel should be added... Worlds of Warcraft & Ultima Online!
:Those are MMORPGs and they don't follow the same structure as Second Life or There. Sarg 06:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 more competitors 

message: No one wants to give out real life information, yet they insist on getting it and then making you have to confirm it.
Way to go developers that's a sure way to get more people to play your game. -_-
:How else would they bill their clients? Nowadays this is a common procedure. Or haven't you played WoW? Sarg 15:54, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a crap registration process. 

message: With all the diverse content, there has been a large rise in objects created to simply spam the world. Also, with hackers like DeuteriumOxide breaking down script barriers and other restrictions on usable items, latency and low framerates can drag down even the fastest of systems. Whether or not Linden Labs is aware of the issue, there has been little progress in updating the game engine to cope with such issues.
Could do with being more factual- 'even the fastest of systems', 'little progress', etc. are all subjective judgements, and examples of spam objects would also help. 'Whether or not Linden Labs is aware of the issue' seems to be an unnecessary comment.
:: Agreed. This has just been re-added by an anon user. Would move to remove this section again. Hardly relevent, highly subjective and jargonite ( what is a 'script barrier' and how do you break one ?? ) If this user really want to go into details, would recomend they this section it to the lsl entry. --Angelstorm 26th Apr 
::: Agreed that it is vague and needs improvement; however, it is HIGHLY relevant. It has been brought to Linden Labs' attention on just how incredibly easy it is to exploit certain game mechanisms to do all of the above. They seem to be reacting very slowly to fix these exploits, however. I have personally seen very fast computer hardware - a 3.8 Ghz P4 with an ATi Radeon X1800 XL - brought to the point of system instability by object spamming and infinite replicating objects. Even the average user's system has severe problems, especially in the furry areas of the world, when (among other things) full-sized dragon avatars are loaded. The naming of individual hackers should be removed, and specific examples of abuse need to be provided. --68.229.229.13 (haven't yet registered) 13 May 2006
:::: Ok, I'll leave it in for the moment, but it could do with a clean-up. It LOOKS like Linden bashing which isn't nPOV. Also, I've never seen any issues with the above and I've been in SL over a year, and I spend a lot of time in sandboxes and popular areas. --Angelstorm 09:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Edit, I've just noticed that this is the same user who is adding racial comments and mass reverting changes without explanation. Also the same person who is adding the glintercept link, which effectively violates users intellectual property copyright. Removing again. Sign up for a Wiki Account if you want to discuss it further. --Angelstorm 09:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, I've reverted to the last version by 10:12, 13 May 2006 88.68.39.18 since the above user basically did a mass revert to their previous version. --Angelstorm 09:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Racial comments?! What the heck?! All I ever did was add the line being discussed above! I have absolutely no clue why the diff for my edit on 13 May 2006 shows all that extra stuff. I'm actually rather appalled at all the other stuff in there! Thank you for adding this information - albiet in a much stripped down fashion. Readers deserve to know the good AND the bad. Baralheia 11:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Edit: I think I know what happened. I must have edited an older revision without noticing it. I'm truly sorry, and I certainly didn't mean to revert the page back to that. Baralheia 11:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I think comparing with competitors is the only appropriate way to declare something overpriced.  How else are we supposed to know what the "proper" value of on-line "real estate" is?  But I agree that comparing with a single competitor is inappropriate — how do we know that competitor isn't just a low-cost anomaly?  And whatever the comparison, we must also be certain that the land each game offers has similar intrinsic value, or else we're comparing apples and oranges. – Wisq 16:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual Content? 

message: There seems to be an excessive amount of POV posts for this article's discussion. In case you have not, please review the Five Pillars of the Wikipedia in order to familiarize yourself with general guidelines in regards to articles and conduct. Flaming an article because you do not like the subject is not an acceptable Neutral POV. If you have a problem with the content, provide documentation that refutes what is being advocated. Conversely, if the article has actually turned into an advertisement and provides no relevant information to a reader, then the article should be wikified. The external link section is somewhat lengthy, but no more so than any other similar articles. 
When posting commentary upon the discussion page, ensure that you employ the signature feature. It will allow others to identify the poster, facilitating relevant conversation. The signature button is located at the top of the edit box, third from the right. 
Great job on the article so far, it is informative and provides (apparently) accurate information. --Coldbourne 23:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maintaining Neutrality 

message: Much of the article seems overlinked, as per the Manual of Style.  In particular, the opening paragraph has way too many, with some (like "create") repeated.  This dilutes the value of links, since they no longer highlight key topics.  I have looked at reducing some of the more obvious ones — duplicates, simple dictionary words, common terms, years and months that are not part of whole dates and thus are not preference-formatted, etc. — but I've got limited time and can't do the whole article.  In any case, it's probably best left to someone more familiar with the subject matter to determine which ones are truly relevant and which can go.  – Wisq 16:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree. I tackled one section but do not know enough about this subject to do the entire article. Hopefully current and future contributors will read the MOS, with regards to only making relevant links. RedWolf 22:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going through it now what a friggin gong show. --Crossmr 22:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: This over-linking seems to all belong to User:Eep%C2%B2. I've had a look at his contrib history and he's done it in many many articles. --Crossmr 22:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overlinking 

message: I've added a number of citationneeded tags to the article. Please feel free to find the appropriate citations for the information requested. I'll see what I can find on my own but in about 2-3 weeks we should start considering any unsourced information thats been tagged now and cleaning it up. --Crossmr 06:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation tags 

message: There.com is another online game usually compared to Second Life (one I prefer, but that point is moot), and does not promote greifing. What's your source for this information? Are we talking about the same link?
Viridis 23:57, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wah? 

message: Who are/were the C20 economists? What does "C20" mean? Ehn 15:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize now—much later—that "C20" means "20th century". I see that the article has been clarified. Thanks! Ehn 16:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia: C20 economists