Talk:Hardtop

message: Hello, are you wanna create Hardtop (disambiguation). 75.142.152.104 (talk) 04:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This idea has failed twice and there is no need to resurrect it once again! CZmarlin (talk) 17:53, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make a disambiguation page 

message: So now after the edits we still have multiple, redundant photos of cars with hardtops, but the single photo that illustrated the difference between hardtop and sedan has been deleted? Why was that a good idea? How does having it gone help to educate anyone who wants to see the difference between a four door hardtop and a four door sedan? Please explain below, thanks. Wilke339 (talk) 02:22, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a Hardtop? 2.0 

message: Are there any hardtop hatchbacks?120.140.46.80 (talk) 16:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there are many! The new Mini is a hatchback car that is built with a steel (non-removable) top. Contrary to the marketing hype of the manufacturer, it is not a true hardtop (without a "B-pillar") design. Perhaps the "hardtop" term is to help differentiate the metal roofed models from the soft cloth covered roof found on the convertible (openable top) versions. Nevertheless, there have already been a countless number of vehicles that have incorporated a hatchback design with a "hard" top. CZmarlin (talk) 00:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there other hardtop hatchbacks available? 120.140.26.176 (talk) 16:58, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, the "hardtop hatchback" misnomer is used by one automaker to market a version of their product line. Nevertheless, the hatchback article has numerous examples of this body style (hatchback with a non-removable "hard" roof). CZmarlin (talk) 21:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardtop Hatchbacks 

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message: To my certain knowledge it is an American car of the mid 1950s and 1960s styled like a convertible but its top is hard metal and cannot fold. They appeared first on two door cars and soon spread to four door cars when the problem of reduced structural rigidity was solved. 
Under HISTORY this article currently seems to include much misinformation beginning "Once fully closed bodies became the norm, it was considered fashionable to remove the central roof support post to give them a more open touring look . . . "
Culminating in "Following the ascendancy of steel tops for closed bodies in the 1930s, detachable hardtops with metal roofs began to appear." 
Hemmings employed a very creative writer.
There is more misleading "info" beginning "During the 1950s and 1960s, detachable hardtops . . ."
Maybe all due to poor sources?
Eddaido (talk) 11:09, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a hardtop? 

message: The article is a little confusing in it's use of the term "hardtop", among some other other incorrect implications. Here are the main issues: 
* It starts out by referring to a hardtop as a "rigid form of automobile roof, which for modern cars is typically constructed from metal.". But under the "pillarless hardtop" section it makes the statement "The hardtop began to disappear along with convertibles in the mid-1970s...". If a hardtop is just hard rooftop of a car, either fixed, removable, or retractable, as stated in the lead, then it did not begin to disappear in the 70's and still exists on most modern cars. What seems to have happened was the term "hardtop" began to be used to refer to exclusively pillarless hardtops, and those are what disappeared in the seventies. Might I suggest that we fix the lead to make it clear how the term hardtop is currently (a abbreviation for pillarless hardtop) and that modern hard car roofs are generally not referred to as hardtops (accept in the case of hardtop convertibles). 
* As for the "pillarless hardtop" section, we can continue to use the abbreviation "hardtop" for "pillarless hardtop" provided we make in earlier in the article that modern usage of "hardtop" means the pillarless kind (not just any hard car roof). Another option is to add the word pillarless to every instance of the term hardtop so we are clear what kind of hardtop went away after 1978 though my first suggestion would be less work.
* We also need to clear up the status of convertible car production in the U.S. in the 1970's and later. Since they made convertibles in the 80's and later then that would mean that convertible production either slowed 70's but never ceased and then picked up in the 80's and 90's somewhat, which we should make that clearer. 
--Notcharliechaplin (talk) 14:27, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Article's confusing use of the terms Hardtop & pillarless  hardtop