Talk:Xiaolin Showdown/Archive 1

message: Opinion: it is explained throughout the episode (it was a 2 part episode)
he sacrifised himself when omi went after the sands of time, and when omi tried to fix the present thus his deeds made him a good leader
There have been many discussions about Raimundo as leader. Some disussions were like so: Omi is 'all himself' so he cannot be leader. Kimiko and Clay are more 'Sub Characters' but then Raimundo once joined the Heylin side thus he shouldn't be leader either. Therefore there is no good canidate.
Many people shall bicker this subject. you think. Who do you think would be a good leader? Who should be it? Consider additudes, expeirience and other important attribrutes.
:Let's put it this way. Raimundo was made leader because he is the more popular character in the series. That is why the writers made it as such. Ryūlóng 22:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kimiko is most sutible in my opinion------------ -------------------------------70.162.46.19 04:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ramundo as leader 

message: The article says "She [Kimiko] and Omi are good friends, and even though Omi doesn’t like it, she hugs him when he’s about to go through something very bold and daring.", but I dunno... I would say it's more that he's embarrassed than that he doesn't like it... He once said something like "Ooh, my first girl hug. May I have another?" when she hugged him, so I wouldn't say he disliked it. Unless, of course, it was just a joke and wasn't meant to, err, be important... --Peng 06:59, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He likes them, he  often  asks  for  another. Adam Marx Squared 05:28, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omi doesn't like being hugged? 

message: Look, I'm just notifying the people who are talking on this talk page that Wikipedia is not a place where you say things like "[Xiaolin Showdown] is blatantly racist" or "[is] an utter misappropriation and denigration of the real lineage and mythos of the name of Shaolin". Please - this talk page is for serious discussion and debate about the choices to improve the article. Please - if you want to debate the unrealism or genre of the show, talk about it on a Yahoo! talkpage or something. KFan II 21:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia is not a chatpage! 

message: I disagree with sorting characters into "Guests" or not. I think its a bad idea. I'm sorting them like this: first the main good characters (the Four Dragons, Dojo, Fung, Jermaine), and then the main bad guys (Jack, Wuya, Chase Young, and Katnappe). Then I'll include the rest of the characters in alphabetical orders. KFan II 21:38, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I think the Main/Guest split was reasonable because it was based on an objective fact, how the voice actor was credited for the role.  Making distinctions based on perceived major/minor status is just going to lead to revert wars.  For instance, I can't see calling Jermaine a main character, given that he has appeared in only two episodes as far as I am aware.  Once pages are up for the individual episodes, I do think that it would make sense to leave all mention of non-recurring guest characters to the single episode they appear in.  Caerwine 15:33, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters:Guest or Not? 

message: Is it Heylin or Haylin? Both are used throughout the various Xaolin Showdown pages. This really needs to be settled and have all the instances of the word fixed to be consistent.
:I checked the official website and they used Haylin but in the episode where they get the Serpent's Tail it is spelled Heylin on the basketball game showdown's scorebord. Are there other episodes where it is spelled out?
In Wuya's character bio for the show through the KidsWB site spells it Heylin so that along with the in-show spelling in My Homey Omi so I'm going to go through and change all the Haylin's to Heylin. If someone can get in touch with the producers and find out the authentic spelling isn't Heylin let us know please.
: How it is spelt depends on what it is supposed to say in Chinese and what system is used. Heylin is perfectly all right, but I suspect that it should technically be Heilin.
:As a person that speaks Cantonese (albeit very badly), I have this sneaking suspicion that Heylin is partially based on the Cantonese word, Hei, which means breath and is often associated with Chi.
:Although if the original Shaolin meant Young Forest, then Heylin must mean something forest. And no, it doesn't mean old forest, because the Chinese for old approximates to lao.
:Wolf_ODonnell 11:56 (UTC), 5 Oct 2005
It should really  be Heilin.
:Hei does not mean breath. It does in cantonese, but chinese in english letters is pinyin which is technically mandarin, in which case, i think Hei would mean black or dark.
:MYT 00:24, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling consistency 

message: * I read the TV Tome entry discribing the Chi Guardian which lived in the Yin-yang world and absorbed Chi. I sound like the Chi Monster in this articule. My question, does anyone know which is the correct name/term? HVulpes 21:06, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about the Chi Monster 

message: The information on Xiaolin Showdown lasting half an hour per episode is clearly incorrect. I myself haven't actually timed each episode, but each Xiaolin Showdown episode fits within a half hour timeslot that includes X minutes of commercials. Therefore each show lasts 30-X minutes, with X being the time it takes for the commercials to run. Until Xiaolin Showdown airs on BBC (which has no commercials) I myself cannot fix the error in the article. Wolf ODonnell 18:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but the tag underneath the picture clearly states run time as in actual running time, not allocated time slot. That is why I protested at the time given as 30 minutes. Wolf ODonnell 13:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No way is the Run Time for Xiaolin Showdown 30 minutes. 

message: The current Xiaolin Showdown article is starting to get too big and too disorganised. If more information is added as the article currently stands, it will become end up exceeding the recommended Wikipedia article size.
The character list is too long, partially because each character entry includes practically every single bit of character history plus personality all entwined.
My first proposal for the character list is to split it off into a completely different article entitled, "Xiaolin Showdown Character List". The list will then be split into Protagonists and Antagonists, as the division between Xiaolin and Heylin is actually superfluous. Every character entry will be split into "Character History" and "Character Personality". To ensure the list doesn't become too big, "Character history" must not go into too much detail and must describe episode events in the briefest detail as possible.
My second proposal for the character list is to split it off into two different articles, one for Protagonists and one for Antagonists. Every character entry will once again be split into History and Personality, as with the above proposal.
Third proposal, all character entries must be shrunk into this format:
Character Name:
Voice Actor:
Brief Character Personality:
Episode Appearances:
A picture may be included underneath or to the side.
Now, for the proposals unrelated to the Character List.
This main article should deal with who created it, show's main premise, current status, interesting facts and other facts related to its presence in the real world.
I await your discussion on this topic.
Wolf ODonnell 12:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Your episode template is ideal, but I wouldn't be able to comment on Jack or Chase turning to the side of good, what with me not having seen any episodes of the new season. (Not in the same country as you). The Protagonist/antagonist split, though would be able to help organise the characters. Maybe a Xiaolin, Heylin, Other system would be better, with most characters falling under Other? Wolf ODonnell 14:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's tolerable if it's within the same article, but I wouldn't create two separate articles at this point.  In any case, the transfer would at this point be pure speculation.  They've laid the seeds of that happening plotwise, but they might well not germinate. Caerwine 15:48, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-Up Proposal 

message: Is this topic really necessary when cutting down size? There are probably over 100 Named moves in the show, probably around 300 non-named. Is this sub-section of the article really necessary? J.J.Sagnella 18:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other techniques 

message: I discovered :Category:Xiaolin Showdown when I found one of its articles on "random article". This category has 38 (!) articles in it, the vast majority of which are about topics that are too obscure to be encyclopedic. They also all badly need cleanup, and I can guarantee you that nobody will ever clean up this many articles about Xiaolin Showdown.
I'm probably going to get mercilessly beaten for this, but I'd like to remove 36 of these articles (all of them but Xiaolin Showdown and Xiaolin Showdown Trading Card Game), replacing them with redirects to this article. This is a huge change, so I might as well ask on the talk page first. (I've asked some regulars on Articles for Deletion, and they don't want to deal with 36 articles, especially if they can just be redirected. They told me to ask here and then do it.)
I'm sorry to the fans here if it seems like I'm trashing your work. You don't have the contributors to maintain 38 articles, even if you could make them all encyclopedic. I think you'd be much better off focusing your efforts on two articles instead.
Here are the articles which I'd like to redirect -- and yes, I have looked at them all:
* Chameleon Bot
* Chase Young
* Citadel of Doom
* Days Past
* Dyris (Xiaolin Showdown)
* Finding Omi
* Grand Master Dashi
* Hannibal Roy Bean
* Heylin Plant (Xiaolin Showdown)
* In the Flesh (Xiaolin Showdown)
* Jack Spicer (Xiaolin Showdown)
* Katnappé
* Mala Mala Jong
* Master Monk Guan
* Megan (Xiaolin Showdown)
* Moby Morpher
* Mrs.Cornhaven
* Omi Town
* Pandabubba (Xiaolin Showdown)
* Pandatown
* Reversing Mirror effects
* Sabeeny (Xiaolin Showdown)
* Shen Gong Wu
* Something Jermaine
* The Black Vipers
* The Dream Stalker
* The Evil Within
* The Last Temptation of Raimundo
* The Life and Times of Hannibal Roy Bean
* The Return of Pandabubba
* Treasure of a Blind Swordsman
* U-bot (Xiaolin Showdown)
* Vlad (Xiaolin Showdown)
* Wuya
* Ying Yang Bird
rspeer 23:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  36 redirects 

message: Reasons for failing -
* cleanup tags
* stub sections
* empty sections
* non-notable episodes
* no references
Fix then please re-apply, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Failing 

message: I know that XS was not made as a Cartoon Cartoon, but the category that is being added and reverted  includes those cartoons that have been shown in the Cartoon Cartoon block on the Cartoon Network despite not having been made as a Cartoon Cartoon.  I have no idea whether XS falls into that category, but if it does, the category is appropriate. Could someone who knows address that point here so we don't have reverts happening endlessly on this point? Caerwine Caerwhine 00:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally think that the category should be changed to "Cartoon Cartoons" instead of "Shows on Cartoon Cartoons" or even "Shows on Cartoon Cartoon Fridays."  I know that another user and I had to fix changes to a template and where it had been put because of the misunderstanding of what consisted of a Cartoon Cartoon.  I'm pretty sure that Cartoon Cartoons are only Cartoon Network original programming that are primarily broadcast in the Friday night block. Ryulong 02:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Addendum It appears that the person who put this back into the category was the same vandal who worked on that template. See  for details. Ryulong 02:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cartoon Cartoon 

message: How is counted the Overall showdown records? There was only 50 Xiaolin Showdown in the show, but it says Xiaolin: 42, Heylin: 11 and 3 not counted. Its a total of 56! Xiaolin won 35 and Heylin 10, and 3 not counted. There are 2 showdowns I don't known to which side goes: Raimundo X Jack in "In the Flesh" (Raimundo goes to the Heylin side after the showdown), and Clay vs Jessie in "The Black Vipers" (she gave almost all the SGW back). --TebiJongWu 16:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overall showdown records 

message: I do not think that we need a link to an incomplete fansite, nor a fan rpg forum.  Please stop adding these links back in, until we reach a concensus here on the Talk Page. Ryulong 19:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to me that the IP addresses that keep adding these links in are very similar.  It appears that this spam vandal's IP address changes every so often.  Is there any way to deal with this? Ryulong 19:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: In the episode "Mala Mala Jong", When they are all sitting around the campfire with the shen-gong-wu chest open, you can see the Golden Tiger Claws inside.  WTF? Tinlv7 22:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really that important. And please, this page is for discussing changes to the Xiaolin Showdown article, not talking about the series like this is some sort of fan forum. Ryulong 22:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry... Is there somewhere here that is? Tinlv7 22:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid not. Wikipedia is not a fan forum, and talk pages are for discussing changes to the article. However, you could see if Mala Mala Jong (episode) lists what you noticed as a goof or whatever the page has, now that I think of it. Ryulong 22:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various bloopers and such 

message: Well, it's obvious that in showdowns the Warriors change into their different outfits. But I noticed that ever since the second time that Mala Mala Jong appeared, in The Emperor Scorpion Strikes Back, that they now change into Ninja-like costumes. They didn't get any sort of upgrade, and all of a sudden they just changed into Ninja costumes instead of their Monk robes. Just wondering if it's explained somewhere. Thanks.
:At the end of The Deep Freeze, Master Fung gives them the Ninja-like armor for use in all future Xiaolin Showdowns instead of the monks' robes. Ryulong 03:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of Clothes 

message: During the episode Pandatown, Omi used the Falcons Eye to look inside PandaBubba's fortress and multiple people were seen using different Wu. One of them was, unmistakably, the Sun Chi Lantern. Now, to my recollecction, the Sun Chi Lantern was only seen, let alone used, in only one other episode, the on in which it was revealed. Am I rembering right, and if I am, how did it get into Heylin hands? Did Jack pull off a heist and the Xiaolin forget about it or what?
:It's just one of the many unanswerable questions concerning the continuity of Xiaolin Showdown. The Sun Chi Lantern has only really been seen once, and it served its purpose for the episode. Ryūlóng 22:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible he took it in The Shard of Lightning but it was unseen because he was holding so many. It's just an assumption, but it's one that prevents a contiuity error, which would be good enough to not be listed as a mistake at moviemistakes.com. Jay32183 23:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about the Pandatown episode 

message: Xiaolin wiki is new and needs users so do not delete it,s external link Djf2014 16:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Wikipedia's policy on external links. Your statement shows that you are advertising, which is a form of vandalism. Ryūlóng 20:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: In fact, several of the pages at that wiki are directly copied and pasted from the English Wikipedia. That violates the GDFL. Ryūlóng 07:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The GDFL is the license that allows Wikipedia to use its content. Unless you link the original articles on Wikipedia on the fan wiki, then the content should be removed from your wiki. Ryūlóng 21:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It doesn't matter. You have to give credit to the editors of Wikipedia's articles that you directly copied and pasted from Wikipedia to your fansite.  Do so by linking the Wikipedia articles the same way you linked your website to this article. If you do not give credit to the Wikipedia editors then it is a copyright violation. Ryūlóng 21:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: You don't need to make a template. Just copy the link to any Wikipedia page, and put it between [ and ] maybe give it a link to say "Wikipedia's page on..." whatever the page is for. No template necessary. Ryūlóng 20:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do '''not''' delete my link 

message: Please do not add information to the article based on your personal interpretation of the show, or things you've heard other fans say. This is original research and is not allowed in Wikipedia. This means no talking about stories that could have been written, unless you can source one of the series writers or producers. Just remeber this is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. Jay32183 21:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan theories 

message: I keep seeing this get added to the article, but it isn't true. Check the TV Guide listings and you'll see the episode airing Monday is Oil in the Family. I don't know why CN is calling them new, but they are not. Jay32183 19:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "New" episodes on Cartoon Network 

message: I'm seeing a separate article at the bottom of the page for "Shen Yi Bu Dare", which kinda bothers me.  Shouldn't we have a page that maps out the types of Showdowns and possible the rules associated with each one?  I'm talking about varients like Shen Yi Bu Dare, Showdown Trio, 8-way Showdown, etc.  There are also side rules that can be included, such as playing against someone who is made up of more than half Wu. 68.228.38.225 05:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes.  Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).  The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

text: In this case, make a section somewhere on this page for that :)—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Showdown Types 

message: This article needs a lot of work. We need to add details on the development and reception of the series. We need to make this not read like a fan guide, which probably means the list of techniques needs to go. The plot summary needs to be cleaned up so it doesn't read like a recount of history. Lots of references would be good too. Jay32183 07:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have restructured the article to more closely fit Wikipedia standards of organization, cleaned up some sections (like the lead paragraph) and added some information on cultural references outside the series. Hewinsj 18:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I've been doing some good with the article, just not sure what to do with the "mystical elements" section.  Some of it might be worth keeping but it mostly looks like fancruft which is frowned upon.  Hewinsj 15:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're right. We may want to bring in some one who is unfamiliar with the series to see what a non-fan thinks of that sections importance. Jay32183 18:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up 

message: I made a page by accident entitled Xiolin Showdown. I misspelled Xiaolin and created the page. Please visit. 
--Mikemoral
Note: this was my first Wikipedia encyclopedia article. Please delete it some one and again sorry.
:add  to the top of the page. An admin will get to it. Jay32183 00:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All fixed.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry 

message: hei why  is warner not interested in make the seasson 2 of xiaolin showdown?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.94.91.200 (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dvd xiaolin showdown 2 

message: Some of the images on the main article were speedy deleted for not having copyright info.  Would anyone care to replace them if fair use rationale could be given? Hewinsj 06:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

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thread_title:  Fair use rationale for Image:Like-A-Rock.jpg 

message: Do we need to keep the extensive list of supporting characters?  List of Xiaolin Showdown characters does a pretty good job of covering them. I'm thinking Master Fung and Grand Master Dashi are the only people mentioned on the show enough to warrent staying in the main article.  Also, do we need to keep the Other Magic Besides Shen Gong Wu?  I can't think of anything in that list that occurs significantly enough to be notable. Hewinsj 16:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also against the "Other Magic Besides Shen Gong Wu" section. It's going into too much plot detail for talking about the series. Jay32183 18:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. I'll give it a day or two more, and if no one objects I'll pull them. Hewinsj 15:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reducing Fancruft 

message: Someone please add " Category:Cartoon Network shows " in Xiaolin Showdown please.--XiaolinFan1 22:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled comment 

message: Jay32183 (talk)
You have questioned my right to post a link for episodes of Xiaolin Showdown but I assure you I have the right to do so because I directed the episodes that are on my site. My business agreement with Warner Bros. states that I am allowed to display works that I was involved in and therefore my link is valid on this page. I can verify this on IMBD and many other websites including my own. I'm sorry for the confusion. I tried to post this when i edited the page but Wikipedia is a rather awkward and badly laid out website to understand. If you have any further questions concerning this please don't hesitate to contact me again.
:Is there a copy of that permission posted on your website? I have no doubt that you are the person you claim to be based on the website; I just didn't see a "used with permission of Warner Bros." when I checked. Jay32183 (talk) 07:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Answer to Jay32183 

message: This may just be a coincidence, but Omi's name means water in Yoruba, and Clay's name is, clay.
Do the other character's names have any meaning? And if so, are these meanings related to the characters themselves? GreenIsGarbage (talk) 17:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Names 

message: *I'm opposed to merging the articles. The articles that would be removed are unsourced, don't have real world context, and would overburden this article with fancruft. Deletion is probably a better option. If the articles were merged, the content from the other articles would slowly but surely be trimmed out of this article anyway. Jay32183 (talk) 00:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: Is that truth, that there's gonna be he 4th season, or it will be just displayed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.255.26.186 (talk) 15:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th season 

message: I find the talk page Talk:Tangled Web a little confusing.
I'm guessing it's talking about Xiaolin Showdown, since that's what the main Tangled Web article talked about about, before that content was deleted ().
What should we do about it?
Has all the useful content from that talk page and that deletion already been moved 
into the proper articles -- Xiaolin Showdown or Shen Gong Wu or List of Xiaolin Showdown episodes?
--DavidCary (talk) 13:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  tangled web 

message: I have season one on DVD and Susan Silo voiced Wuya in every episode. I'm not sure where the confusion could've come from since Eartha Kitt was not involved in the show at all and Silo has a voice that is fairly distinct and easy to recognize.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.141.146.36 (talk) 06:44, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eartha Kitt did not voice Wuya 

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