Talk:Battle of Glendale

message: The introduction reads that Glendale was the "fifth of the Seven Days Battles". However, according to the infobox and Seven Days Battles, it was the seventh battle. I do not know which is correct, so someone else needs to make the correction/add explanation. Qblik talk 03:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor inconsistence

message: I have limited time this week to do some repairs on the edits of this morning, but in the meantime I will give you a few notes about the general problems to be corrected (particularly if the editor intends to work on other articles in a similar way):
* The lead section (the few paragraphs that precede the table of contents) is supposed to be a summary of the following article, so it cannot include material that is not duplicated in more detail later on and we customarily do not use footnotes in the lead. The statements about generals disputing the account of another general is not the kind of detail that would typically be in an article summary.
* The Official Records are primary sources and therefore we use them sparingly in these articles because the Wikipedia policy on sources is to use secondary sources. 
* (minor) In the formal writing we use in Wikipedia, the ampersand (&) is not used in place of the word "and", other than occasionally in trademarks or railroad names.
As promised earlier, I have found the time to work on the edits of December 16. Here are some comments on the changes I made:
* I restored the lead section, which is sourced from the National Park Service as a summary. The changes I removed were claims from primary sources, which do not meet our requirements for  selection of sources.
* I removed the citation of an unsigned blog about the Signal Corps. This is not a  reliable source under Wikipedia rules. The report from Albert Myer did not support the contention of the blog that McClellan was in command during the battle. To address the contention that McClellan was not present at the battle, I beefed up the Aftermath section with historical criticism of his conduct. Although some may claim that Stephen Sears treats McClellan unfairly, I have confirmed his viewpoint with that of Ethan Rafuse, who is a rather prominent McClellan apologist.
* I have replaced footnotes to battle reports (other than Lee's, which was simply a quotation) with secondary sources. I left the online links to the ORs, but improved the formatting. Hal Jespersen (talk) 19:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  edits of December 16 

message: A 2nd 's' is not added to a name ending in an 's' when an apostrophy is added to show ownership, even when the reader is used to pronouncing a second 's' in speech.
Graeme Cook (talk) 09:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Chicago Manual of Style, 15th Ed., 7.17, the general rule is the possessive for a singular noun or proper noun is formed with apostrophe and S. In 7.18 they give examples of "Kansas's legislature," "Strauss's Vienna," "Burns's poems." They list a few alternative rules in 7.19-22, but I chose not to use those alternatives in this article. Hal Jespersen (talk) 14:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of Apostrophies in ownership

message: Holmes gathered together a battery of rifled guns to bombard retreating Federals near Malvern Hill.  He took other troops as a supporting force for the guns.  He did not "attempt to turn the Union left flank".
This "attempt to turn the Union left flank" is not mentioned in the main body of the article so should not be in the introductory summary text.
Graeme Cook (talk) 08:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A look at the map will reveal that Holmes's action was against the Union left. Sears, p. 291, describes how Lee wanted to attack both ends of the Union line--Holmes and Magruder on the head/left at Malvern Hill, the rest on the tail/right. I have updated the main text to clarify that Malvern Hill was the left flank, so that the cited sentence in the article summary remains correct. However, you are right that he did not technically attempt to "turn" the flank, so I have changed that to "attack." Hal Jespersen (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Cited means there is a footnote at the end of the paragraph or sentence. In this case, the public-domain text of the NPS/CWSAC battle summary is being used. That's a situation that is no longer preferred in Wikipedia, because although it's legal, it's considered plagiaristic. If you would like to do something useful, you could rewrite the lead section. However, what we have been discussing here is whether the CWSAC summary incorrectly reflects the main body of the article and what Holmes's role was--whether Lee wanted him to conduct a useful attack on the left flank or merely pester the Union with ineffective artillery fire. Hal Jespersen (talk) 15:07, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Holmes made a feeble attempt to turn the Union left flank" 

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message: McClellan was nowhere near the battle, so his key subordinates should be listed under “commanders and leaders”, i.e. Sumner, Heintzelman, and McCall. KevinLuna83 (talk) 21:38, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  McClellan shouldn’t be listed as the commander. 

message: Greetings. I have made what I hope are constructive changes to this article based on my interest and extensive research about the subject. In addition to updated links to OR reports and primary documentation, I have linked an article written on the subject of Randol's Battery E & G, 1st US at Glendale. I would not link it if I were not confident in the source material, which is linked in the bibliography page. Kindest regards. Radar488 (talk) 08:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
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