Talk:James Stockdale

message: I'm also a nit-picking Marine, and all sources point to the fact that James Stockdale flew F-8s, not A-4Es like John McCain did.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.140.52 (talk) 18:08, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Type of Aircrat

message: I have to be the nit-picking Marine on this one: His Combat Action Ribbon is on upside-down in the info-box photo. Can we get this fixed?Windyjarhead 07:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Main Image

message: The article states he was the highest ranking naval officer held as a Vietnam POW, but doesn't state what that rank was, only that he was promoted several times after his release until his retirement as a vice admiral. Deadlock 13:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he was promoted while still in captivity to the rank of Captain. If anyone in the know has a better take on this please speak your piece because I'm not exactly sure. Wikiphyte 13:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I remember that recent movie about McCain correctly, he was a rear admiral (LH) when he was released.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.162.35 (talk) 23:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "In Love and War" states that he was a commander when captured, and was promoted to captain while a POW.  He was promoted to rear admiral shortly after his return.  It also said that there was a period where a lt. colonel outranked him within the prison, but Stockdale resumed command of the POW's when he was promoted.  News of the promotion was brought to him by another pilot who was shot down.Silpion (talk) 02:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rank

message: This article needs serious cleanup.  See this minor cleanup for examples of what needs to be done.  /Blaxthos 08:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Please please please add more intext references and citations... this is a brilliantly written article, and I've got to congratulate the editors here. It can very well become a GA class or better, if only you add more citations, and some more text in some parts. I was extremely sad to have given this only a start class rating, because this was one page that really had me reading from start to end. Good Luck. Sniperz11C @ S 13:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed two of the "citation needed" tags since the info is included in one of the online references (Hoover institute).--AveryG (talk) 03:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: MILHIST Assessment

message: One of the quotes is described as being part of "a personal letter to Morse". Who is Morse? Google suggests that it might be Senator Wayne Morse of Oregon but I can't find a really really good source, e.g. the New York Times or Time Magazine. 
-Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 16:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Morse

message: I'm not a serious wikipedia editor, but I got the feeling when I read this that it was written by someone who cared very much for this guy. While I have no problem with that, it didn't sound very encyclopedic... maybe someone who has more experiences could go in and use the space currently filled with stories about his courage in the face of hardship while being held as a POW with referenced facts about his time there.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.254.226.62 (talk) 18:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone

message: Some of the editing points here are valid, and yet, considering that his family is still probably alive, it seems rather heavy handed and also extremely insensitive the way it is being handled here considering how much this man (and his family) have gone through. 
**Especially considering that he was a Prisoner of War in brutal conditions and that his family also suffered greatly during this period. I find it especially kind of disturbing that such an energetic response (along with a big "neutrality" banner) were used to handle these issues here. **A few quiet edits were really all that were needed, and would have been enough, to fix the article, instead of posting a big banner and writing all this stuff, coldly and mercilessly dissecting everything. 
Yes some edits of non-neutral phrases were needed, but the way it has been handled here is pretty cold-hearted and Frankly, rather shabby.
In short, the big "Neutrality" banner and all the energetic, lecturing writing back here wasn't really neccessary. Just quietly fixing the non-neutral phrases would have been sufficient.    98.245.150.162 (talk) 20:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "A few quiet edits"?  It looks like it needs a nearly 100% overhaul, even 9 months after you said that.  Nobody is questioning the guy's honor or his service to the country.  Those things don't exempt his entry from the rules, though. 69.211.15.223 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:37, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad Handling/Heavy Handed Handling of Editing Issues

message: He was born in late 1923, making him prime age to serve in WWII -- he was 18 years old when Pearl Harbor happened in Dec 1941. The article does not say what he did during WWII, it only says he went to college for one year in 1946, then spent one year at the Naval Academy in 1947 -- which is strange since normally one spends more than a year to graduate from the Naval Academy! Anyone have more info about his early years, to explain how he spent the WWII years, and Naval Academy time? Green Cardamom (talk) 13:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just flipped through "In Love & War" and couldn't find dates of his Annapolis tenure.  It does say he was in Annapolis in spring 1946 and got his wings in 1950.  He was also stationed on a ship and attended sonar school in 1947.Silpion (talk) 03:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Early life

message: RE: "He later said that while in captivity, he was concerned that he would be forced to reveal this secret about the Vietnam War," in the Gulf of Tonkin section...What is the source for this paraphrased quote? --Lacarids (talk) 03:59, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Stockdale published a collection of speeches and essays called "Thoughts of a Philosophical Fighter Pilot"; although the quote is from there, I don't know whether the author took it directly from there or from the Fifteenth Annual Stockdale Lecture, by Martin L. Cook, given in January 2012 and reprinted in the Summer 2012 issue of the Naval War College Review. Cook cites several quotes from Stockdale's collection. 108.15.29.132 (talk) 01:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gulf of Tonkin 

message: Presuming the REFLIST used for the NOTES section is edit-protected, this is a edit request for a non-urgent minor edit of #18 in the NOTES section, as explained below...
No biggie, but the link currently provided in Note #18 no longer works. Here is that (nonfunctional) URL:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/debatingourdestiny/interviews/stockdale.html
The functional URL link to that transcript of a 1999 interview on PBS News Hour is now as follows:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/spc/debatingourdestiny/interviews/stockdale.html
I was able to access and fix the link in the section which follows ('Online References' subsection of 'REFERENCES' section), but the 'Notes' links are in a REFLIST which I (apparently) don't have access to. Or maybe I just don't know how to access it,* although I did search on that; whatever (*in case it isn't obvious, I don't do a lot of editing in these here parts). Thanks.
Sharl928 (talk) 03:11, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the link as you requested. To find the reference just click on the caret ^ (or, if there are superscript letters, letter a a) next to the reference number and then edit the section it's in. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use  to reply to me 04:51, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for minor edit - fix URL linked in #18 in NOTES section 

message: Can anyone ID the medal shown to the right of the Purple Heart?  Its ribbon has a medium blue centre stripe, a narrow white stripe either side of that, and a narrow red stripe either side of that.  There may be more ribbon stripes but it's difficult to tell from this photo.  The obverse seems to show a helicopter.  The ribbon colours aren't shown in the current Navy order of precedence reference documenthttp://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmcp/EduTrain/GMDE/Documents/navy%20ribbons.pdf or the current ranks and ribbons reference. http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/archpdf/ooranksribbons2014.pdf  Is it from another service or another country?   Marcerickson (talk) 05:41, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the American Campaign Medal (12/7-41-3/2/46) followed by the World War II Victory Medal. YahwehSaves (talk) 07:01, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anybody know how he comes to wearing the American Campaign Medal, as it was only awarded until March 2, 1946? He was commissioned only in June of 1946... 2001:7E8:C296:EB01:D01:E3BD:E51A:43AE (talk) 19:04, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

text: He served as a Midshipman at the Navy Academy, June/43 to June/1946. One year stateside service is required if not serving overseas to be eligible for the ACM (Dec. 7, 1941 to Mar. 2, 1946). He may have thought he was entitled to the ACM because he was entitled to the WWII Victory Medal (Dec. 7, 1941 to Dec. 31, 1946). Its a question of whether or not Midshipman were included in the eligibility for the ACM which does not seem to be the case (?). YahwehSaves (talk) 07:30, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter. It's original research and while questions like these are interesting please remember WP:NOTAFORUM. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:10, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

text: Midshipmen (and cadets) are entitled to certain federal service awards (e.g. National Defense Service Medal) according to the Navy and Marine Corps Awards Manual, page 1-4, "Midshipmen Eligibity": "U.S. Naval Academy midshipmen are eligible for those awards for which they may qualify." SECNAVYINST 1650 1-H, 8-22-2006  This is a talk page not a scrutiny page ("it does not matter"....). YahwehSaves (talk) 19:38, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unidentified medal shown in official portrait 

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message: Before you two violate WP:3RR, please consider that this is a difference of opinion. I don't think the subject was a politician because he ran unsuccessfully for one office. There are similar arguments elsewhere. Please discuss. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:11, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: *Then you should provide the sources here. Per WP:BRD, we need to find consensus. I didn't revert your edit but I am fine not labeling Stockdale a politician. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:22, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for providing a source.  You have added a "politician" category to many biographies, without it being obvious that the person was ever a politician (you reverted two editors who removed "politician" from Douglas MacArthur).  Please add sources to these articles to support your edits.  Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 20:43, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  politician? 

message: Actor of the same name 193.120.36.133 (talk) 18:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation needed?