Talk:List of magic tricks

message: Is it incorrect to list the shell game (or, for that matter, three card monte) as a magic trick?
What about taking three volunteers from an audience, and moving them around in such a way that the audience cannot tell which volunteer has the item that is being switched?  It's the same principle or technique, but does it count as a magic trick?  Certainly, moving objects around on a two dimensional surface can be interesting, but what about moving them around on a three dimensional surface, such as a very large, inflated balloon, and having an item disappear and reappear on the inside of the balloon, or in someone's pocket?
:It may be appropriate to remove some items from the list.  Some aren't actually magic.  Some are techniques and not tricks.  Unfortunately, the reality of the matter is that there are several wikipedians, who don't even seem to be interested in magic, who have grown extremely hostile to anything being deleted from a web page about magic, even if it is inappropriate, untrue, or unverifiable.  (Insert Saint Exupery quote about perfection being achieved when there's nothing left to remove.)  Kleg 21:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did the list of "closeup magic" disappear to?  Closeup magic is still listed in the main article in the section on types of magic performance.  If the tricks formerly listed under closeup magic aren't magic, then what are they? GUllman 20:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Keeping in mind that the version you link to is two months newer than my comment, several things on that version of the page are flourishes, sleights, or gimmicks.  These are at times used in tricks, but they are not tricks themselves.  Not all tricks involve flourishes, sleights, or gimmicks (consider the Twenty One Card Trick), and not all uses of flourishes, sleights, or gimmicks happen in a magical context (consider casino dealers using the Charlier Cut, card cheats using The Pass, or shoplifters using a Topit).  They might be appropriate in a list of thingamajigs that some magicians are interested in and sometimes use, but they don't seem to fit in a list of magic tricks.  But if you add them back, I won't delete them.  Kleg 22:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  When is 'sleight of hand' a magic trick? 

message: Removed this wikilink because it linked to the powertool rather than the magic trick.  If someone can find the correct article, please replace and link properly. Sundaybrunch 07:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Buzzsaw

message: Should these early discussions be archived??  Why are there so many red links?  A'lot of these so-called illusions I've never heard of. Buddpaul 04:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archived

message: Lots of red links or non-wikified links remain.  I personally feel that even lists should have some reference sources.  Hmmmmm.....maybe that would be redundant. Bddmagic (talk) 16:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikified??

message: I removed this from the list.....it wasn't wikified and isn't really a proper name for an illusion. Buddpaul (talk) 23:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Freaky body illusions

message: I added a few effects from the Guy Bavli page.  But I think we should work on categorizing the effects, some may be better in other categories.  Eclipsed (talk) 11:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: brilliant suggestion....maybe I'll start working on that.Bddmagic (talk) 16:48, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  added some effects... 

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