Talk:List of Old Falconians

message: There is not enough citation on this page proving that these people went to North Sydney Boys. I'm not questioning their existence or achievements. Michellecrisp 03:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. But we might as well keep what we have until it is sourced. Readers can be discerning in that regard. Grumpyyoungman01 13:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation

message: Town crier? Really. Talk about bottom of the barrel stuff. 130.194.13.105 07:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Achievements?

message: Tony Steele has never actually played a Test for Australia? I only think Test Players who have earnt a Baggy Green cap should be considered as notable. Otherwise we will be debating this for every single school old boy or girl who may or may not have been part of a national squad for many sports such as rugby union,league, netball and cricket etc. It's a matter of consistency. Michellecrisp 08:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The criteria for inclusion on this list is whether (hypothetically) a fully sourced article on the person warrants inclusion on Wikipedia. Certain citations will provide that, such as the Monash Biographical dictionary, other citations are highly questionable, such as WWIA. Certainly not everyone ever listed in Who's Who will be notable enough. So we should aim for multiple citations where necessary, if someone has their own page then they are obviously notable, it is just a matter of sourcing that they attended NSBHS. Grumpyyoungman01 13:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this Tony Steele has only played for NSW  http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/7672.html If he has played for Australia it's obviously not Test or ODI status (officially counted for statistical records). I would say even if he played one one day international it would make him notable. so unless we start including every State player... Steven Fitter 00:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is now being discussed at WikiProject Cricket, but in general the consensus is that all first-class or List A cricketers are sufficiently notable, on the grounds that the WP:BIO criteria for athletes includes the phrase "...have played in a fully professional league". While the definition of "professional" is problematic as far as cricket is concerned, the WikiProject consensus has generally been that having made appearances in a major first-class domestic competition like the Sheffield Shield is more than enough. Loganberry (Talk) 01:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's a bona fide first class cricketer and therefore he's a notable person.  I've written an entry for him based on his perfectly respectable cricket career.  I changed 'international' to 'first class' on your list because the status of his matches against New Zealand for Australia might be a bit confusing at first glance.  They were for Australia against New Zealand but they weren't counted by Australia as Test Matches.  In time every state player will have their own article on Wikipedia so why not list them here? Nick mallory 08:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tony Steele

message: A number of people have questionable notability that would not meet Wikipedia guidelines:
A number of people in this section do not meet the following guidelines:
 The person has been the subject of published1 secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. 
The person has been the subject of a credible independent biography. 
The person has received significant recognized awards or honors. 
The person has demonstrable wide name recognition 
The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field. 
.simply being a former chief of an organisation with no record of significant achievement, is not notable. The above criteria is a stronger test than simply being a professor or appearing in who's who. Michellecrisp 07:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Questionable notability

message: Should not be on this list if he only completed year 7. Credit must go to the high school that he attended the most. Michellecrisp 07:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: now removed, was expelled at age 13 Michellecrisp 07:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: reference http://p068.ezboard.com/fmostlyrussfrm6.showMessage?topicID=6.topic Michellecrisp 11:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: John Polson

message: same for James Morrison on this list. the ref says "Monash Biographical Dictionary of 20th century Australia - note: although he is connected to NSBHS as a soloist with its Big Band, he did not attend the school". then why is he on this list? it's very misleading. I'm concerned that this entry is becoming exaggerated in parts. Michellecrisp 01:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: James Morrison

message: sure he's an artist but the award he won? does he meet this criteria Michellecrisp 01:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: James Powditch

message: I will be removing academics who did not fit academic notability guidelines. simply being a professor is not sufficient. Michellecrisp 01:22, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Academics

message: This old boys list should not be a directory of everyone who went to NSBHS that is simply listed in Who's who or held a professorship or won 1 or 2 awards. Notability for Wikipedia needs to have a record of significant achievement and reporting of these achievements as in above post. Michellecrisp 03:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this totally. - Grumpyyoungman01 09:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another note on notability

message: Air vice Marshal graham neil appears here as being educated at Boston Grammar: http://www.bluepig.plus.com/BGS/Boys/F/forman_g_n.htm Michellecrisp 06:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Graham Neil

message: is that achievement really notable? being hosted on some site that not many people would read. a google search as Roelof does not reveal this achievement. is coming 3rd in a not well known competition really notable? Michellecrisp 07:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Roelof Smilde

message: If http://www.abc.net.au/riverina/stories/s968057.htm is the best reference then he is not notable. the article is written in a non-serious tone. does Graham Keating act as a town crier as a full time job? I think not. is town crying a competitive serious profession? This fails this criteria. Michellecrisp 11:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Graham Keating

message: simply being a bishop is notable enough? Notability requires record of significant achievement. Michellecrisp 01:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Eric Gowing

message: Mark Aarons entry said he went to school in Fairfield. I know he grew up there http://www.abc.net.au/dynasties/txt/s1504619.htm and listed as alumni of Fairfield High School. is it possible that the NSBHS list has a namesake. If so, I am proposing removing Mark Aarons until there is concrete evidence that Aarons the author attended NSBHS. This kind of mistake shows the importance of secondary sources not just checking school rolls. Michellecrisp 01:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mark Aarons

message: Where is his record of significant achievement/biography? Being a senior judge is not sufficient for notability Michellecrisp 02:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hugh Storey

message: Again no record of significant achievement or independent biography? I accept he held the position decades ago but the fact is no one has written about him: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=%22Francis+Hutley%22&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU Michellecrisp 02:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Francis Nutley

message: what is so notable about being President of White Pines Ventures? simply being a president of a company is not notable. Michellecrisp 03:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ian Bund

message: saying he's the broker of the peace afford implies he did it all by himself. Wolfers in fact assisted with others in the peace negotiations.
Australia's Support for the Negotiations
4.104    In evidence, DFAT explained that Australia provides funding to support legal and other technical advisers for the negotiating parties. Anthony Regan (from the ANU), Ted Wolfers (from the University of Wollongong) and Ian Prentice, a Queensland lawyer. Together, these advisers are working in a team of 14 technical officers which has been formed to assist all the parties to the negotiations.
http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/jfadt/bougainville/BV_chap4.htm Michellecrisp 04:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ted Wolfers

message: did he actually attend most of his high schooling at NSBHS? reference is dubious. if he didn't it's misleading to call him an Old Falconian. Michellecrisp 04:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Most Rev Donald Robinson

message: I am concerned that a lot of non-notable people are creeping back into this article. To be included on this list they must satisfy this criteria. Also glowing statements of their achievements is not for this list, if these people are so notable they should have their own individual article as well. Michellecrisp (talk) 00:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's starting again. Can I also say and this was discussed last year, that simply appearing in Who's who is not sufficient enough for inclusion. If they are notable they would be backed up by a variety of sources, preferably a reliable source that one can verify on the web. Michellecrisp (talk) 14:14, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerned

message: Thecriterion is having a WP article or being obvious qualified for one. I have removed a few. If anyone disagrees, the way to establish their entries here is to write a WP article about them and have it stay in WP.  DGG ( talk ) 20:01, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
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message: This list includes people "with articles in Wikipedia or who are obviously qualified for one". The phrase "obviously qualified for one" is highly subjective, and leads to WP:LISTCRUFT. I recommend pruning this list to "notable alumni" and only include people who actually already have a Wikipedia article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 22:15, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I have completed this pruning. (If reverted, will be willing to discuss here.) WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 22:40, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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