Talk:Maher Arar

message: The question we should ask ourselves should be......Would a black Middle Easterner or Black Muslim have gotten 10 million dollars? As a non black person, I really doubt it! Enjoy those tax payers dolars Mr. Arar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.29.80 (talk) 18:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Compensation and Race

message: The first mention of Maher Arar I found in Question Period was on October 21 2002 and it wasn't until Thursday, December 12, 2002 in Question Period that we learned that Maher was shipped to Jordan for 12 days before being shipped to Syria. There should be a separate section on Maher Arar's 12 days in Jordan since it destroys the official American "deportation" theory and that was were the worst of the torture took place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.37.48 (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jordan

message: This section states that "Arar was held without access to consular services, without legal representation and without being allowed to contact his family." In fact, according to Arar's own website, he was permitted to call his mother-in-law on Oct. 2, was visited by a lawyer, Amal Oummih, on Oct. 5, and by Canadian consul Maureen Girvan on Oct. 4. I will rewrite this section when I have a moment; if anyone wants to do it in the meantime, please feel free. --Rrburke 22:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Error in [[Maher_Arar#Detention_and_deportation|Detention and deportation]] section

message: I don't have time to edit, but this BBC story covers Giulano Zaccardelli (RCMP Commissioner)'s public apology. Loganberry (Talk) 02:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: RCMP apology

message: The BBC article covered in that "US denial" section basically says that a lone embassador vigorously denied the allegations, only to be corrected by a US embassy spokesperson the very next day. Rl 08:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Misleading "US denial" section

message: I rewrote this section for accuracy: format diplomatic protests are not made when leaders call each other. During the phone call Harper notified Bush of Canada's intention to lodge a formal protest. The protest took the form of a Letter of Protest sent to Condoleezza Rice by Peter MacKay.
Additionally, Harper did not say he told Bush "Canada wants assurances that U.S. officials will deal honestly with their Canadian counterparts and incidents like the deportation of Canadian Maher Arar to Syria will not happen again." He told reporters that this is what Canada wants. Precisely what he said to Bush is not reported, as it's not customary to release such details. --Rrburke 17:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Maher_Arar#Canada.27s_formal_protest_to_the_USA|Canada's formal protest to the USA]]

message: It is great job accounting for individual cases of the extraordinary rendition program. Be sure, however, to make a very short intro (currently, it is an article by itself) which manages, in a very few sentences, to give a quick overview of the cases and of the most important points of the article. Many, including me when I'm tired or low on time, never get past through the intro, and such a big intro can discourage the eventual reader. Cheers! Tazmaniacs
I was thinking much the same thing. The article, in general, is grossly unfinished and inadequate. Hence, a substantial part, if not the majority of all significant information, is located in the lead and it definitely needs to be redistributed or shortened. The difficulty is that this episode involving Arar is a significant case with a huge amount of information and implications. I'll see what I can do over the next week. I especially regret how we have yet to get a photo of Arar on this page or how it portrays Arar as coming back to Canada as though nothing happened in Canada. The role of his wife, the political process and news coverage must be included. Ben 04:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction

message: This article could use a picture of Maher Arar. NorthernThunder 05:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: I reverted an anon IP's edit.
I agree with him or her that bias is a bad thing. But I disagree that this edit reduced it. Rather I think it introduced bias. For instance it calls Arar a "multi-millionaire". That is highly deceptive. Arar was just a computer consultant prior to his capture. He was just a middle-class guy, prior to his capture. Through no fault of his own he was captured and subjected to a devastating experience. The Canadian government eventually owned up to its share of responsibility for his capture, and acknowledged that the RCMP's handover of his dossier was an enormous mistake, and, in particular, whatever hints it might have contained that he knew a guy, who knew a guy, who knew a guy, who knew Bin Laden was a very tenuous link to terror. The Canadian government apologized to him, and they gave him a multi-million settlement.
Calling him a multi-millionaire leaves the possibility that intelligence analysts might have worried that he was able to donate a fortune to bin Laden. Deceptive.
Cheers! Geo Swan 17:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: revert -- see talk

message: I have not fully read the article in detail, but I think that there are some considerations that are fairly obvious and too concerning to allow this article to be pass. The early sections have far too few citations and the citation needed tags are problematic and unsuitable for a GA pass, a concern made only more important given the fact that this is a biography of a living person. In addition, it fails several important MoS considerations such as WP:LEAD, a trivia section (or "Miscellenous facts" – there shouldn't be one and everything in that section should be either incorporated into the body of the article or removed) and there are far too many one-two sentence paragraphs. It is my opinion that this should be failed for these reasons, among others, although final decision rests in the hands of the initial reviewer. Cheers, CP 21:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think at this point I'm going to contact the original nominator. I will ask him/her if he/she can address these concerns. If not, I'll fail this. If yes, I'll give the user some time.Bless sins (talk) 18:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2nd opinion from [[User:Canadian Paul]]

message: There is no definitive consensus that this article is a good one. I requested the nominator to address concerns, but that didn't happen. I hope that this article is improved an re-nominated.Bless sins (talk) 20:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed

message: I have changed this per above.
* alleged = declared but not proved (WordNet dictionary)
* apparent = appearing as such but not necessarily so (WordNet)
It is quite obvious that this is more than alleged but less than accepted everywhere. I think this is about as close to reality as possible. Fremte (talk) 18:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: alleged changed to apparent

message: Who put up the "neutrality is disputed" banner? Please add your discussion so we can either repair the article. Thanks! Fremte (talk) 14:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay no-one has justified the banner, so I will remove it. 71.17.132.157 (talk) 19:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality banner?

message: I see no need for any theory as to why the United States sent Maher Arar to Syria. No one disputes the fact that the US did in fact send him to Syria. As for the issue of US/Syrian cooperation with the War on Terror there is a well documented history of cooperation. The following references are just a sampling of such documentation . In addition here is a video of the Syrian Ambassador to the US talking about its assistance in fighting terror [rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/ter/ter032305_syria.rm], Imad Moustapha, Syrian Ambassador to the U.S., talking at CCAS, Georgetown University start at 1:06:45 Question on US Syria working relationship. And then there was a recent article by Jeff Stein, CQ National Security Advisor, concerning the backchannel communication between the US and Syria "Syria’s Backchannel to Washington Survives the Pelosi Firestorm" By Jeff Stein, April 6, 2007. Again there is a well documented cooperation between the two nations despites several strong political differences.
The wording of this sentence seems to imply that this a conspiracy theory. A better wording might be "The United States government has not given a satisfactory explanation as to why Maher Arar was sent to Syria and not Canada" although I don't think this captures your added statement very well either. Bq7722 can you elaborate a little more on what you are trying to convey?
Ed M isnot edm (talk) 01:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: US/Syrian Cooperation

message: I have changed the wording describing Secretary Rice's testimony in an effort to clarify her intended meaning. The previous wording suggests that the Secretary Rice was saying that the deportation of Maher Arar was not handled properly ("...admitted for the first time that the 2002 deportation of Arar to a Syrian jail was not handled properly, but she did not offer an apology."). I would argue that in fact what she was said and implied was that the communication between the US and Canadian governments was not handle properly not the handling of Arar's deportation. One can review the video of the exchange between Represenative Delahunt and Secretary Rice here. In addition one can read from the hearing transcript (pgs 30-33), see the State Department response to Rep. Delahunt question about assurances (ibid. pg 32) or view the full hearing video.Ed M isnot edm (talk) 17:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rice's Testimony Oct 24, 2007

message: There appears to be a growing number of books which refer to the Arar case that for reference purposes should be listed in this article. I also find it helpful to summarize what each book has to say about the Arar case providing context. But the amount of pertinent content ranges from a mere passing reference to the primary focus of the entire work. As such due to the increasing number of books I felt some need merely to be listed and some listed and summarized. The guidelines I was going to use for which books to be summarized and listed were these
*Is the Arar case a primary or signifigant focus of the book? Example: Monia Mazigh forthcoming book.
*Does the author have some authority, expertise or prominence? Example: Former President Carter who only brief mentions Arar as an example of "extraordinary rendition".
Otherwise if the book just simply references the Arar case in passing it should only be listed. Also it was my prefernece to link listed books to the publishers page for that book. I am not sure of wikipedia's guidelines on this so this might change. Feel free to adopt this guideline or not for listing and/or summarizing books under this article.Ed M isnot edm (talk) 00:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Book Listings and Summaries

message: The Globe and Mail Web site is reporting that "a teenaged Omar Khadr identified Canadian Maher Arar, who was tortured in Syria after he was sent there by American authorities, as someone he had seen at al-Qaida safe houses and training camps in Afghanistan, an FBI special agent testified Monday.... Mr. Khadr made the identification from photographs the agent, Robert Fuller, showed him during interrogations several months after the Toronto-born Mr. Khadr was captured following a firefight in Afghanistan in July 2002." --99.240.224.103 (talk) 23:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Person under torture tells torturers what they want to hear, film at 11. Canadian media have done a pretty good job of pointing out how worthless this "evidence" is. <eleland/talkedits> 07:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure I accept the premises of your question, and I don't see what it has to do with improving the article anyway. <eleland/talkedits> 06:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Our own personal speculations of what the answer to that question might be are irrelevant, yes, and all questions have premises, and stop trolling. <eleland/talkedits> 04:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Khadr testimony

message: Canadian newspapers reported today that Maher Arar is "shocked" and "depressed" to learn that Guantanamo Bay prisoner and son of Osama Bin Laden's chief financier Omar Khadr has stated under oath that he has seen Mr. Arar in Al-Qaeda safe houses in Afghanistan. Mardiste (talk) 23:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The "chief financier" loaned $300 to his son-in-law who may have used it to purchase a truck which was later given to a colleague of a man who later became Osama bin Laden's 2IC? $300? To a multi-millionaire construction magnate? "Chief financier"? Let's be realistic and not inject POV labels into an article that isn't even about the Khadr family. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead)  01:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Mardiste, reviewing the change log I see I wrote that poorly structured sentence. I can only assume I meant to say "... he stated he 'felt' ..." instead of "... he stated 'he felt' ...". I apologize for placing the quotation mark in the wrong place. I've corrected that sentence. I also added a reference for that quote in the previous sentence. Ed M isnot edm (talk) 14:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Omar Khadr testimony

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