Talk:Joe Byrd (Cherokee Nation Principal Chief)

message: Already integrated as notes in the notes section. Waya sahoni 07:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 3 Sources Integrated as NOTES 

message: Aside from the emotionally-charged quotation:
Paragraphs 62 and 63 of the Verified Complaint and the Statement of Edwin Lewis Romero attached to the lead Complaint as Appendix “A”, Exhibit “K” alleged that Plaintiff on August 5, 1997 was taken into the Courthouse by Byrd security personnel and he “took a gun out, pointed the gun at the juvenile Plaintiff” and would “blow his f____ head off.” Juvenile Plaintiff then was taken by City of Tahlequah Police and detained at the city jail for several hours. These allegations are not refuted.
Law was clearly established in 1989 that threatening to use deadly force by holding a gun to the head of a 9-year old child and threatening to pull the trigger was objectively unreasonable given the alleged absence of any danger to the police. Eliot v. Thomas, 937 F.2d 338 (7th Cir. 1991). The Defendants are charged as operating in concert and part of a conspiracy. Defendants put Byrd and his security guards in control of the courthouse and on this particular occasion, the City of Tahlequah Police took the juvenile Plaintiff to jail and detained him for several hours. In summary, the law was well-established that the actions taken on August 5, 1997 were in clear violation of the juvenile plaintiff’s constitutional rights.
how exactly does the case "CONSOLIDATED RESPONSE OF PLAINTIFFS TO THE DEFENDANTS’ MOTIONS FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT/DISMISSAL AS TO QUALIFIED IMMUNITY" relate to Joe Byrd, as he is neither a plantiff nor a defendant to the consolidated actions:
LINDA-TURNBULL LEWIS, et. al.,) Plaintiffs,) 
Case No. CIV-97-689-B Lead) 
DIANE BARKER-HARROLD, et. al.,) Defendants.) 
and 
CHADWICK SMITH, et. al.,) Plaintiffs,) 
Case No. CIV-97-690-B Member) 
DIANE BARKER-HARROLD, et. al.,) Defendants.)
Joe Byrd is mentioned in passing in the complaint through the recitation of a series of "Uncontested Material Facts".
But Joe Byrd is not mentioned at all in "IV. CONCLUSION".
And, finally, what was the outcome of this entire transaction? Since Joe Byrd was neither a named defendant, nor a named plaintiff, what relevance does the cited case have to an article about Joe Byrd himself?
Do we have, yet again, a "source" which only peripherally involves the actual subject of the article? -- talks_to_birds 15:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it seems to be more of that.  Unfortunately, all the  annotations I had placed were removed, and substituted with "citations" which do not actually seem to support any of the purported facts requiring annotation (the links are all vaguely on the right subject, but do not speak to the specific disputed facts, as a rule).  The court case seems like an example of that (though conceivably photos were entered as exhibits, that might be relevant in this different context... it remains to see evidence about that). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 18:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How does the court case cited relate to the article's subject? 

message: I  posted this tag only as someone who came here after reading up on the recent Cherokee Nation ruling dismissing the slave descendents from tribal membership. I have no knowledge nor bias one way or the other in regards to Joe Byrd. However, in reading the Events of 1997 section, the bias of the article was clear to me. Weasal words are used throughout, slang is used as official reports ("The FBI reported his claims as 'Bull.'") and abbreviations (such as 'IRT') have made the article appear to be written as someone personally involved and writing a personal history of the events. I say all this, not as someone who has any intent to clean it up, but as evidence that a neutral reader can see the bias built into that section. --LeyteWolfer 16:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I am a citizen of the Cherokee Nation and do a lot of research and have time and again run upon your page of Chief Byrd. Since you claim to be an encylopedia you should say the whole truth not just the part that you like. This page seems to have been put together by a person(s) with a personal axe to grind.
:Are you referring to the removal of the "Ex-chief innocent" article from the "Aftermath" section? Because if you are, then you need to realize that it is not appopriate to simply cut and paste news articles into a Wiki article. You need to paraphrase the information and work it into the article, with citations. It was probably removed for those reasons, not neccessarily because someone has an agenda to push. Also, please sign your posts on talk pages with three tildes. Instructions on how to do so are on the top of the talk page when you edit it. Asarelah 00:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is it that Wikipedia only wants to show half truths about Chief Byrd? 

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