Talk:Itamar (Israeli settlement)

message: User:Namiba, please explain your edits on these two occasions (but particularly the second one) as they do not appear to agree with what you wrote in your edit summaries.
#12 March 2011, 8:53 – removal of text recounting the June 2002 massacre of the Shabo family. Your edit summary indicated "cleanup," and indeed some of the changes you made qualify as cleanup; however, you removed the June 2002 paragraph despite its being sourced in the next paragraph. Assuming good faith on your part, I would advise that in the future you indicate in your edit summary something to the effect of "removed unsourced material" and also that you more thoroughly review the sources provided before concluding that nearby material is unsourced.
#12 March 2011, 14:20 – removal of text relating to victims' ages. Your edit summary indicated "expansion," and indeed some of the changes you made qualify as expansion; however, your removal of the victims' ages most certainly does not qualify as expansion. Pending a clearer explanation for your edit, the changes you made to the Violence section have been reverted.—Biosketch (talk) 15:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by [[User:Namiba]] 

message: As no one has been arrestd and no definite supects identified as yet, is it not too early to label the perpetrators as Palestinian?
Surely this is merely opinion at the moment  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.191.227.58 (talk) 14:10, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While a valid point, in this case the text in question isn't about an organization or an individual. No identifiable person is being labeled a terrorist but rather the perpetrator of a terrorist act. So I have to question the applicability of WP:LABEL in this instance, though I'm certainly open to other ideas.—Biosketch (talk) 16:35, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a value-laden label and the spirit of th guideline would still apply if your reading of it was spot on. However, your reading of it seems off since it says nothing about an identifiable person. Not using "terrorist" but instead something similar to "assailant" would improve NPOV but a fine addition might be putting in something like "The event was described as a terrorist act by x,y, and z." or even "The attacker has been called a terrorist".Cptnono (talk) 05:40, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Per User:Cptnono's reply re WP:LABEL and pending consensus on the matter, I have seen fit to revert 93.172.10.100's change of the text from "assailants" to "arab [sic] terrorists." The Jerusalem Post reference cited by the IP contributor also does not label the attackers "terrorists." It variously uses the expressions "perpetrators," "suspected terrorists," "attackers," "people," and "killers." Only at the end does it use the word "terrorists," but then it is attributed to a Major General in the IDF, not to the Jerusalem Post reporter.—Biosketch (talk) 12:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Mentioning Moshe Zar is related to this article. I can understand not using the term terrorist, but he was in fact convicted of terrorism charges in Israel itself. See this, where he plotted to kill the Mayor of Nablus and received time served. I think if a person has actually been convicted on charges of terrorism, it is appropriate to call him a terrorist.--TM 16:45, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrorist 

message: When Israel attacks on Gaza in 2008-2009 resulted in 300+ children dead, no one referred to them as terrorists, yet a Palestinian committing the same exact thing, HE IS ALREADY A TERRORIST .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkewan (talk • contribs) 13:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is so absurd! How can you compare someone who uses a knife to slaughter parents and babies in their sleep, with a war in which while shooting at militants or terrorists or whatever you want to call them - some other people are killed too. A war is a war and has casualties but purposely attacking a sleeping family in their house is clearly a crime and a act of terror. Editorprop (talk) 18:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a reminder: WP:NOT#FORUM --ElComandanteChe (talk) 18:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting, very, very interesting  

message: Have just ammended some of the wording to make it a bit more impartial. Spefically including "alleged" for cases where insufficiant proof is available. Will attempt to not use too much legalese and keep it simple  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.205.13.200 (talk) 09:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impartial language 

message: This article mentions an incident where Arabs falsely accused a Jewish resident of Itamar of murder.  Since there was no basis to the allegations, the Israeli was released.  This article reports the incident as though it actually happened.  This is a recurring theme in anti-Israel propaganda.  Arabs invent incidents that never happened, Leftist activists aggressively report these incidents as fact, a certain percentage comes through to mar Israel.  The whole section of "violence against Palestinians" should be removed.  It's propaganda at it's purest form.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.86.74.250 (talk) 18:51, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contains Mythical Anti-Arab Violence 

message: 1ST7's summary of the lawsuit from this source bares little relation to the original.  Itamar did not sue Livneh, some committee did.  The crucial information that the judgement was a default finding based on "the journalist failed to file a defense statement in time" is curiously omitted. Also, identifying Livneh as a Haaretz journalist without noting that the alleged slander was not in Haaretz is a further distortion.  In general, 1ST7's edits are in severe breach of WP:NPOV. Zerotalk 08:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I am trying to fix the source problem and am still looking for more details on this case. The Jewish Press report does not have all the details of the Arutz Sheva one, and I altered the some of the details that needed to be changed to fit the source (such as the quote) before taking a break from it for a while. You are welcome to fix the issues you mentioned. --1ST7 (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  lawsuit 

message: *. The predominantly Orthodox Jewish community with a population of 1,032 (2009) is within the municipal jurisdiction of the Shomron Regional Council.[1] ::Well, that's not true, if you take all the area Itamar claims as under its jurisdiction. In a recent incident, the Shomron council refused to apply its administrative powers to a dispute among settlers, because the several hilltop outposts fall outside of its remit, technically. See my edit now in a section I will add. So, evidently, this lead generalization has to be tweaked for nuance.Nishidani (talk) 09:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think, on particularly difficult articles in this area, that unsourced statements, that are not even phrased neutrally, should stay in the article until they are provided with proper RS backing. I have therefore removed the above. It can be reinserted when the appropriate source is supplied.(ps. Could some one remind me if, in this chaos, I disturb 1R? I don't understand it and never will, and will revert if I have erred, if editors could supply me with the proper indication of what to do. Thanks)Nishidani (talk) 09:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, what has this to do with Itamar, other than connecting the Fogel murders with foreign terrorism? At best it should be on the Itamar massacre page. Use this as a precedent, and you can 'finesse' the natural expressions of solidarity of settlers on the West Bank with any antisemitic event in the world as part of their respective villages' profile.Nishidani (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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