Talk:Elizabeth, South Australia

message: Following from the topic above, and, fully observant of the need for NPOV, I think this article still does need some mention of the social connotations associated with the Elizabeth (and the suburbs centred around it), regardless of their veracity. For example, anecdotally I've heard of residents of the area omitting their home address from their Curriculum Vitae so as to not be excluded from a job interview. This isn't so much a point of view but a bunch of widely held connotations re Elizabeth and surrounds. Donama (talk) 05:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If they can prove they didn't get a job because of the suburb they live in then they should complain to the equal opportunity commission because they have been disciminated against. They have to tell the employer their address eventually so I don't think there would be much point hiding it.Yellow wiggle (talk) 16:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are to respect NPOV, then we should ignore "connotations" to the extent that they are unverifiable. Better still, it might be best to simply add crime statistics to every suburb article. That some suburbs have higher crime rates and some lower will be demonstrated verifiably, allowing the reader to form their own opinion. The same can be said for average household income and other social indicators.~ ~ :  Lincoln Cooper : ~  ~ (talk) 07:58, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social connotations 

message: Holden is in Elizabeth South and the DSTO is in Salisbury. I think the article confuses the suburb of Elizabeth with the surrounding area?Mirrabooka (talk) 16:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. The city of Elizabeth as described here is a local government area (LGA) called City of Playford, whereas Elizabeth the suburb is smaller. Need to clearly distinguish these in this article and in the City of Playford article. Donama (talk) 01:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. ~ ~ :  Lincoln Cooper : ~  ~ (talk) 07:46, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion between the city of Playford and suburb of Elizabeth

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message: Noting the edit comments about tracking the impact of the closure of manufacturing at Holden, we should really track the entire period from the establishment of Elizabeth, opening of Holden, RAAF, DSTO and other manufacturing coming and going, and be precise about where our numbers cover. Lee Odenwalder's quote about Elizabeth being distinct would not include postcode 5114 which has never been "Elizabeth" (until the most recent state electorate redistribution where part of it is now in the electoral district of Elizabeth). I'm not sure how useful it will be to track only Elizabeth's population and makeup to correlate it to Holden without including Salisbury area too. --Scott Davis Talk 04:13, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: All good points. Sorry about being hasty here but I'm not sure people realise that historic demographic information is still verifiable information and still interesting because it shows how it changed in terms of modern history. Donama (talk) 05:43, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, absolutely - but it's much more useful if it's singled out in prose what is significant and what changed. If it's just the same demographic data that was in the article in 2006 and the first sentences are basically exactly the same as the current figures, it essentially buries the lede of what you're trying to demonstrate and looks like it's just been left there because no one has updated it. Incidentally, I might be able to help with some of the changes ScottDavis suggested - I stumbled across a history of Elizabeth in a church op shop in country Victoria and snapped it up because I thought it might prove useful. The Drover's Wife (talk) 07:07, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: After my last comment, I discovered that the Quickstats pages also include postcodes. 5112 increased by about 800 in those ten years, so did 5113. 5114 (historically Smithfield/Munno Para, not Elizabeth) increased by much more, probably due to the Blakes Crossing and Playford Alive (Munno Para) developments in that timeframe. I'm not sure what is meaningful as statistics for the entire period. Elizabeth SSC is too small as it includes the shops, council offices, TAFE and only a few residential streets. City of Elizabeth would work until it merged into Playford. Postcodes 5112+5113 might be helpful. I think Aus-born, English-born and African-born are likely to be interesting percentages/numbers to track. However we decide to handle Elizabeth is likely to translate to lots of other places too. --Scott Davis Talk 13:45, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is another permutation of the places-with-suburbs population issue that was discussed at WP:AWNB last week - the SSC may be small, but it's the actual gazetted boundaries of the Elizabeth suburb (thankfully the AEC stopped making up SSC boundaries). These articles really need to distinguish/explain and include both the suburb itself and the broader area, both in a geographical and demographic context.The Drover's Wife (talk) 18:33, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  population trends