Talk:Layla and Majnun

message: I didn't explain about it too much because it would be a deviation from the subject , but for justification of the reference that I added ,the name Laylah is used in modern occult literature in connection with the concept of Scarlet Woman created by Aleister Crowley the spelling used seems a deliberate one to suggest both a reference to Leyli and the words for night in Arabic/Hebrew.Here is a reference which reads "This now introduces the principal character of this book, Laylah, who is the ultimate feminine symbol, to be interpreted on all planes.But in this chapter, little hint is given of anything beyond physical love...because Laylah is the one object of devotion to which the author ever turns.Note the introduction of the name of the Beloved in acrostic in line 15." the source of this quote.Pasha Abd 05:05, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A note concerning the reference to occult literature 

message: What's with the spelling?  Do Persians call her "Leyli", or is this just a misreading of ليلى which should be "Layla"? - Mustafaa 17:53, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Comments moved from Talk:Leily and Majnoun) 

message: http://www.asia.si.edu/exhibitions/past.htm# -- if you go to the section and then click on the link the Smithsonian has a flash thing with some images.  Interesting looking and possibly a source for a good non-modern (free copyright) photo. gren グレン 09:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Hope nobody minds, I improved the English a little - get the impression some of this was not written by native English speakers.  Really interesting story.Jeffsunshine (talk) 18:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style 

message: It's knows as Majnun Layla means " Crazy of Layla " .. not Layla and majnun .. Majnun is not a name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.196.168.55 (talk) 22:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layla and Majnun? 

message: So-called "Azerization" is not even a valid term or concept. Nizami is universally accepted as a primarily Persian language poet. This type of Azeri nationalism and not only POV hijacking of articles, but inserting completely inaccurate and uneducated theories is ridiculous. IranianGuy (talk) 06:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the Persian Nationalism plaguing Wikipedia everywhere is equally uneducated and inaccurate. I know Persian Nationalists believe Azerbaijan to be there's much like Iraq, but that does not necessitate a uniform cultural or ethnic identity. Despite Nizami writing in the Persian langauge, it does not rule out placing some distinct Azeri cultural influences into his adaptation. Your arguement based solely on language doesn't cover cultural influences which could be different. I am no expert on Nizami, so I wont change anything, but just to point out it is possible for him to write in the Persian language, but retain a different identity and culture. Just like Avicenna wrote in the Arabic language but retained Persian/Bacterian culture and identity. Pink Princess (talk) 02:24, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "Azerization" totally POV and inaccurate

message: The Persian Adaptation section veers wildly off the stated topic title, and returns back to the Arabic origins of the epic story. I think the section where is leaves it's Persian Focus should be isolated and retitled to something more appropriate to the subject it covers. So I am going to move/add a new title to the latter parts of the current section on the Persian copying. Pink Princess (talk) 02:08, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I moved the section on the PURELY ARABIC "Virgin Love Stories" to the main section, as it is neither started nor developed by Persians who merely copied it. It had no place in the Persian Adaptaion section. No sourced material were deleted, this is merely a move from one inappropriate section to a more appropriate one. Please discuss any issue here before moving it, or it will be moved back and reported. Peace. Pink Princess (talk) 02:16, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian Section 

message: It seems that there is an edit war regarding this issue. The story is originally Arabic but in its current form and rendering is mainly known due to the work of Persian poet Nezami Ganjavi and this work was later imitated many times by other Persian and Turkic-speaking poets. Nezami's work was translated into European languages and the story became known in the West.
So, I suggest in the lead paragraph we say "originally Arabic love story which became popular by Persian poet Nezami Ganjavi" or something to that effect. BrokenMirror2 (talk) 16:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, firstly, the origin of its story is not quite clear, and some sources have argued its root is from a Babylonian story. And the two stories are quite different, the original story is "simple, commonplace," (EoI, New ed., vol. 5, p. 1102) and in my view even ridiculous. What has made the whole of this subject notable is the masterpiece of Nezami. I just took a look on your contribs, it seems you are interested in Persian-related topics, if you know the language, the article on fa.wikipedia has some good informations about the subject and I suggest to read. (here) --Z 22:15, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well said . In fact 04:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

text: Whats the harm in mentioning the Arabic origin wouldn't that be more informing and comprehensive for the reader?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.106.79.135 (talk) 21:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I added the Arabic origin. Thanks for your comment. In fact 09:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic or Persian? 

message: I have contributed an hour's worth of research and editing to this article, focusing mostly on the history section as I am currently writing a paper on this book for a university class. I hope the edits I left can be used as a guide for those who expand this page even more, as I am no expert.
Going forward, editors need to ensure that formatting is consistent as per WP:MOS (i.e. titles are put in italics), that there are no repeated or redundant sentences, and that quotes are expanded on as opposed to simply copied and pasted into the article, which isn't allowed (WP:Copy-paste) and can sometimes lead to vague information. By doing these things, the page will be assessed higher and be of greater importance to readers, which this article deserves as it is a fantastic love story!
Thank you to all who have worked on this article so far, I hope Layla and Majnun continue to receive the attention they deserve! Kind regards, TheSkiRacer (talk) 17:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article, going forward 

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message: Who said the story only got popular because of this “Nizami” guy ? it was popular long before your beloved Nizami was even born! and it’s still very popular in the Arab world from Morocco to Kuwait, where everyone knows the narrative and remembers Majnun's poetry, even though they have no idea who this "Nizmai" guy is or how to speak Farsi.. Claiming the story got famous only because of Nizmai is like claiming the Iliad only got famous because of the American movie Troy (2004). This level of Persian centrism is laughable! your Persian poets were not that famous in the Medieval Islamic world and they used Arabic meters to write their poetry and were inspired by Arabic literature and Nizami is an example of Arabic influence. if he was a live today he would laugh at this because I’m 100% he never thought that people would give this much credit. Also people here seem to forget that majnun is not a fictional character he is a historical person and a famous poet who even praised Umayyad Caliphs and was a known figure in his time. and his poetry and Divan was collected in early Abbasid period. Jasmkssnksskskskskz (talk) 22:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who said the story only got popular because of this “Nizami” guy ? 

message: Am I reading an Arabic or Persian story? This poetry and story is famous before the poetry reaches Persia! Why is the Wikipedia page silent about the absurdity of Persian nationalists? 2A00:5400:E058:2A14:751B:F919:B7EC:81D7 (talk) 01:54, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what your rant is for, the article says its an Arab poem and was famous among Arabs before Nizami. The Persian and Turkish sections are for the later adaptation in their own literature. Nizami's translation (and later poets like Fuzuli) made it popular among Persians and Turks and Indians, the article isnt saying he invented the poem. --Qahramani44 (talk) 21:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian nationalists propaganda is intolerable 

message: The Article initially claims this is a Persian story about a 7th century Persian poet. It goes on to say the story was known to Arabs as early as the 5th century. FCBarçalona10 (talk) 22:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting information in article