Talk:Blackrock College

message: The article makes no reference the school's extensive missionary and charity work or it's academic standing.
Is there any possibility of adding in some extra photos showing the scenic grounds and the beautiful location? It just seems a bit lacking. Also I believe there should be more talk about the rich traditions and history of the college, stemming from the fact that it is one of the most illustrious private schools in the world, easily competing with the top european/british/international equivalents.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.191.65 (talk) 09:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added him in. Demiurge 13:11, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Maybe as a satire reference, but definitely not as an alumnus - he went to "Castlerock". --Kwekubo 21:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

message: Did Barry John go to Blackrock College?
Is Rowan Manahan notable? His claim to fame is that he wrote a book and his entry in wikipedia looks like an ad for that book (currently bubbling under at no 64,000 in the Amazon.co.uk bestseller list).  Curtains99 01:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you mean the problem with the reference recently change not having a title then I have fixed that. If you are referring to the tags that I placed in the section they are there for the purpose of requesting that people provide valid references for each of the people in this section. All of the references marked have no mention that the person went to the college and so the source could effectively be removed as useless. Keith D (talk) 12:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Valid Alumni?

message: Apparently de Bhaldraithe attempted to start a hurling team here in the 1930s and the college authorities resisted him because they feared it would lower the tone. This was in De Bhaldraithe's obituary in The Irish Times a few years ago so if anybody has access to the archives they should find more. El Gringo 14:58, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tomás de Bhaldraithe]]

message: I have removed this sentence:
::The apparent error by Dr. Harbison has cast doubt over several other cases based on his autopsy evidence given at a similar time to the erroneous Brian Murphy report.
No source for this doubt cast over other cases. No source that Harbison's report was erroneous. No source to show he was medically unfit at time of report preparation. No source that the two reports are even contradictory: the newer pathologist merely mentioned a complicating factor that she felt exacerbated the assault injuries, leading to death. Curtains99 10:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree fully. If someone wants to write an article about the case, fine. Not in the middle of a schools article. I have already removed the section relating to the incident from this article. (Sarah777 (talk) 22:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Harbison's 'erroneous report'

message: A number of editors have added claims that rugby players from this school have failed doping tests and that use of creatine is widespread. Any information like this has to be backed up with a source such as a newspaper article. Here's an article from the Irish Times in which the headmaster states that the school actively discourages creatine use. And here's an article from the Sunday Business Post where the author states that 'It is also widely suspected that many of today's school rugby players take the legal performance-enhancing drug creatine.' I don't think either of these articles are worth adding. One is a journalistic denial (headmaster denies that dragons live under the school), the other uses weasel words to make an allegation not specifically directed at this school. Curtains99 11:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creatine etc 

message: A properly referenced sentence giving recent figures for school fees was removed by an editor a few days ago (to the best of my knowledge it was the person's only Blackrock edit). Their comment was that giving this information was 'advertising'. I am of the opinion that the information should stay, but I wanted to invite comment before I reverted the edit. Ekilfeather 22:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fees

message: A new section on the history of the school, perhaps? I don't think journalistic sources would be adqueate. Does anyone know of any reliable historical works?
Also more on the location, site, buildings etc, some of them were significant before it was a school.
AleXd (talk) 13:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History & Traditions, buildings

message: Is Ross O'Carroll-Kelly really a satire on Blackrock college or South Dublin in general. He isn't mentioned in any other school or universities article, not even Castleknock College, a supposed source of the name of his fictious school.  I think he's been added here because Blackrock is one of the most famous schools in the country rather than any genuine link.AleXd (talk) 18:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is original research. Ktlynch (talk) 11:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Ross O'Carroll Kelly reference 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Blackrock crest.gif

message: This article could do with some pictures of the college, the grounds are beautiful and well maintained.AleXd (talk) 18:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs 

message: The user JohnFGreene appears to be courting a pet project relating to the preservation of the heraldry of the college. He has chosen to do so below the references and external links in the article. I suggest the content he has added be integrated into the main article provided adequate citations are found or it be removed on grounds that it is likely NPOV, unreferenceable, and not-notable. Wikipeida is not the place for original research. 86.43.163.45 (talk) 03:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Heraldic Crest Of The College 1936" ? 

message: The list is continually being added to and changed, often these are vandal edits. To be listed as "Notable Alumni" a man must meet these guidelines WP:GNG. Please cite reliable, independent, not-self published sources. I think all the people without their own article should be removed. A double column list should also be created.AleXd (talk) 09:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea Alex. Off you go! Sarah777 (talk) 08:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

text: The list is getting organised. I wonder is it a good idea having redlinks to non-existent Wiki-bios such as Paul Costelloe (designer)? Makes the section look scrappy (and obviously doesn't support the entry). Sarah777 (talk) 20:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the best is to add entries for those there is reliable information for (e.g. Donal Murray) then remove those that are deemed not notable. Autarch (talk) 12:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice the list of Alumni is growing and the references to some are problematic (though I think we've rooted out any real 'non-notables'). The article on past-pupils is still needed. You still out there Alex??! Sarah777 (talk) 17:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Alumni 

message: There are references to "scorfes and dubes" and "ledge" culture. I know what these refer to but as the slang in question is probably not understood much outside Ireland, it should be removed or rewritten. There is also a vague mention of "many people" which has no source. Criticism should be sourced, as should all other claims. Autarch (talk) 00:34, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea - any page that gets this sort of nonsense should be semi protected at least - failing that, suggest to a few editors that they watch the page for vandalism. Autarch (talk) 12:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slang 

message: [This edit] added Henry McKean - who I admittedly know little about - but I wonder if the list of alumni is a little too long. Bob Geldof would be notable, but I wonder if the list is just becoming a list of everyone who went there - keep in mind WP:N
As for the Extra Curricular Activities section - this is quite long and I wonder if it could be trimmed - for instance there is a redundant sentence in the Water Sports that mentions a pool that is mentioned under Facilities. (And should that be extracurricular in the heading?) Autarch (talk) 19:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If a man has a wikipedia article then he is notable, there is a list of Old Rockmen, which doesn't have this problem. Ktlynch (talk) 14:49, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is in need of references and I have tagged it for  as there should be at least 1 reference for each entry showing their association with the college a linked article is insufficient for this purposes. Keith D (talk) 19:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Autarch was asking about notability for such a list; my criteria were an existing entry and that they went to the school.
As for everything needing to be referenced, ideally every piece of information on the encyclopedia should be cited. More than half of this list is;  which is a very high proportion for any kind of list (Some institutional affiliation lists have none at all). There has been a strong positve trend toward adding references in this article over the last few months so please don't aggressively delete material that people have added. Thanks Ktlynch (talk) 19:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of alumni and activities 

message: I am assessing this article, based on a request filed at the Schools Wikiproject.  I am keeping the school listed as a start class, but based on the extensive claimed alumni, I am moving the importance of this article to high importance within the schools project.
There is a concern with the weighting of the article.  The sports section is the longest section, but is virtually unreferenced.  The history section, which should be longer for a school of 150 years old is virtually non-existent.  The sports section may need to be trimmed down a little, and the history section greatly expanded.  Given the age of the school, the architecture should probably be mentioned more prominently.
The alumni list (contained in a separate article from this one) needs more extensive referencing to confirm that they are alumni.
I think that these changes would do well to move the article up to at least "B" status.  I wish editors here the best of luck. LonelyBeacon (talk) 23:19, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

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message: Why is "Browne" referenced as a student house and not McQuaid in the info box? Last report I can find gives it as McQuaid https://www.blackrockcollege.com/news/commissioning-of-house-captains-2022-23/ NotQualified (talk) 02:31, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Browne house