Talk:Reincarnation

message: @94.187.248.13, I noticed that you made some edits to the lede without any edit summary.  I think the logical flow for this paragraph is to start with Indian religions in the first sentence, then put all other religions in the second sentence.  There are certainly other ways to do it, but it doesn't make sense to include paganism in the list of Indian religions. Justin Kunimune (talk) 14:44, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrasing of lede paragraph that lists religions with reincarnation 

message: Reincarnation is corroborated in Vedas and also in ancient Sangam literature written in Tamil. Some of the examples are Rig veda 10.58.1 and Yajur Veda 19.47 mentions Rebirth. https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/rig-veda-english-translation/d/doc839140.html Purananuru mentions Rebirthhttps://www.poetrynook.com/poem/purananuru-part-134 and also Good kings attaining Moksha (Indra welcoming King Ay Andiran to Heaven).https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/purananuru-part-241 So i would like to add this ander the topics of Hinduism. Sastri676 (talk) 15:22, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a reliable source. --Hob Gadling (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rebirth in Vedas and Sangam Literature 

message: Translated:
https://bibliaelemzes-blog-hu.translate.goog/?token=5a1477d4f5a93a87af6c6a90b09f459e&_x_tr_sl=hu&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=hu&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Original:
https://bibliaelemzes.blog.hu/
e.g. (translated)
Book of Jeremiah 1:5 /714./
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you came out of the womb I sanctified you; I appointed you as a prophet among the nations." 
In other words, life does not begin with conception, new life continues with conception. 89.134.100.78 (talk) 11:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a reliable source. --Hob Gadling (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evidence for reincarnation in the Bible 

message: There were some personal interpretations of passages from the Bible that I have removed. However, there remains a passage that reads more like a personal essay trying to prove a certain position than an NPOV Wikipedia section:
:In Greco-Roman thought, the concept of metempsychosis disappeared with the rise of Early Christianity, reincarnation being incompatible with the Christian core doctrine of salvation of the faithful after death. It has been suggested that some of the early Church Fathers, especially Origen, still entertained a belief in the possibility of reincarnation, but evidence is tenuous, and the writings of Origen as they have come down to us speak explicitly against it.The book Reincarnation in Christianity, by the theosophist Geddes MacGregor (1978) asserted that Origen believed in reincarnation.  MacGregor is convinced that Origen believed in and taught about reincarnation but that his texts written about the subject have been destroyed. He admits that there is no extant proof for that position. The allegation was also repeated by Shirley MacLaine in her book Out On a Limb.
Origen does discuss the concept of transmigration (metensomatosis) from Greek philosophy, but it is repeatedly stated that this concept is not a part of the Christian teaching or scripture in his Comment on the Gospel of Matthew (which survives only in a sixth-century Latin translatio): "In this place [when Jesus said Elijah was come and referred to John the Baptist] it does not appear to me that by Elijah the soul is spoken of, lest I fall into the doctrine of transmigration, which is foreign to the Church of God, and not handed down by the apostles, nor anywhere set forth in the scriptures" (13:1:46–53, see Commentary on Matthew, Book XIII
As can be seen in the below footnote, two authors, Macgregor and MacLaine, are said to be making "allegations" for their opinion. If this is to be kept, it surely need to be written in a more scholarly manner and in a less tendentious way. Surely, a contentious matter such as this deserves better sources. Berig (talk) 13:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Problems