Talk:The Urantia Book/Archive 3

message: Given that both the main talk page and archived page were the same size, it seemed like a good idea to make another archive. I hope nobody minds. Xaxafrad 03:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call HighInBC 03:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for cleaning up Xaxafrad, looks much better with that standard header. Wazronk 04:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another archive 

message: Been good to see the growth of this section, thanks everybody who has put effort into it.  I tried to structure it a little more and also fixed some typos and such.  Wazronk 04:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: recent cosmology edits

message: I favor the article keeping to major points in this section, especially since Christianity covers a lot of varied traditions, and it's easy to add comparisons that might be true for some people but not for others.  For instance, there are plenty who debate about whether there is truly free will (see this wikipedia writeup), so I don't think it's accurate to say that a point in common between The Urantia Book and Chrisitanity necessarily is "Free will -- people have the ability to choose".  Someone from a Calvinist tradition, for example, would find that untrue.
I've made an edit to try to get to central comparisons of broadest agreement and consolidate the recently expanded list.  I also am sticking to comparisons that are documented with verifiable sources to my knowledge (eg The Urantia Book directly makes the comparison (for instance regarding atonement); the comparison is in the House book cited in "References"; and / or the comparison is in the Gardner book).  I'm not clear on whether some of what's been recently added is original research that's from personal comparison and isn't from sources.  If there are additional sources that are being drawn from, please add so they can be reviewed.
I won't go through each line I rewrote or whittled, but I'll be happy to go through any points people care to bring up.  One thing it seems to me was being done with the recent additions was insertion of more specifics about how The Urantia Book presents its concept of God and his attributes that aren't clearly presented yet elsewhere.  To me a better way to do it will be to have a subsection under "Teachings" that goes into it, much could be done with a subsection like that  (a summary of papers 1-5 would cover a lot to start). Wazronk 04:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: comparison to christianity

message: This text was added a little while ago to the "Criticism" -> "Allegations of plagiarism" section:
:"There is now, in the last twenty years, a group of believers in Urantia who say that they can talk to various spirits and entities by acheving [sic] a state of calm. They call the TR-ing, which means Transmitting and Receiving, as they transmit and receive messages from these beings. For more information on this group, go to google and search for 11:11"
It's not criticism, so I've taken it out of that section for organizational reasons.  The place something like this would be a fit is "Adherents" potentially but I'm not sure about the significance of this "TR-ing" and "11:11" stuff to the article.  Anyone with insights and sources?  I'm going to leave a comment on the editor's page. Thanks. Wazronk 04:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: addition to "adherents" section?

message: Sorry I am a neophyte and did not understand edits on each change. Will try next time I edit.
Usually referred to as three persons of Diety or personalizations of Diety. Book presents a unique concept of actual and potential Diety. Could be infered as less defined, similar to Christian concept, which might confuse other monothesists. Clarified, and used definition in Forward.
The term misconceptions could be constructed as negative connotation, made more explicit. Converted to quote in Forward.
Instead of encapsulating entire legal history just reverted to a more neutral position of stating what domain it is presently in.
Hell is an concept of many meanings. Place accurately represents this concept.
Earthly reincarnation can be construed to mean one might reincarnate on another planet. Changed for confusion.
Changed Christian traditions to biblical traditions. The term Made in God’s image is not exclusively Christian.
 
The Urantia Book is redundantly used in article.
Added Quaker inner light because of the Quaker's participation in the founding of the British colonies in America.
The former sentence stated that the Adjuster then serves noncoercively as a divine partner for the rest of life, constantly attempting to lead the person toward more mature, spiritualized thinking. Because of the speculation, by a solitary messenger in 108.4.5, it was changed it from constantly attenpting to lead which could be an assumption to known quality which is the power.
Removed the sentence, The Urantia Book presents a cosmological concept that God resides at the center of creation on the eternal Isle of Paradise because the term God is not well enough defined with this small summary to accurately represent Diety residing on Paradise.
 
God is described as the Father of each individual through the direct gift of a fragment of his eternal spirit. This passage was changed because it could be misconstrued that he is only a Father of all creatures by virtue of possession of a thought adjuster.
Hope these edits are okay. 
Hershberger 12:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Edits