Talk:List of Asian Academy Award winners and nominees

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message: I know this was mentioned above, but if Merle Oberon is included in this list, Vivien Leigh should be as well, considering Oberon's maternal heritage is just as obscure, and Leigh likely has just as much Asian ancestry as Oberon. I definitely don;t think a claim can be made for people who were born on the Asian continent but had no definitive, documented ethnic Asian ancestry, Such as Portman, de Haviland, and Joan Fontaine. But I don't think a wikipedia is in a position to decide for ourselves who gets to claim their Asian ancestry, no matter how small it may seem to us, and who does not get to do so. Rcul4u998 (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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message: Why can't articles just stick to the topic and not try to be another mouthpiece for the PRC's political agenda?
Why can't articles just identify people the way they self-identify? Yes, some Taiwanese people are of recent Chinese descent, some are of very ancient Chinese descent, and some are of aboriginal descent. But what does that have to do with the topic of this article?
Why is it that with Taiwanese people, their ancient family tree is more relevant to this article than where their families have lived for the past few centuries? Why isn't that important for Asians from any other countries? ExplainToMeWhy (talk) 17:32, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
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message: Next to this article "Asian Academy win/nom", there's also another article "Academy win/nom of Asian descent". And there seems to be quite a disagreement amongst contributors as to who's eligible for which or isn't as some people get regularly added and removed.
To my understanding the difference between both articles is nationality vs ehtnicity(UK)/race(US). 
*Nationality: e.g. German, Cambodian, Australian, Canadian, Peruvian etc.
*Ethnic group: e.g. white/European/Caucasian, black/African-American/Jamaican/Carribean/Black British, Asian/Asian British, Aeab/Middle-Eastern, Native Americans etc. 
Simply put: To be eligible for "Asian" you need citizenship of an Asian country regardless of your ethnicity, for "Asian descent" you are part of an ethnic group  regardless of your nationality. You might be part of both groups but don't necessarily have to. Place of birth is not an indicator. 
Examples for "Asian" nom/win would be:
*Ismael Merchant (Indian nationality)
*Bong Joon-Ho (South Korean nationality)
*Ang Lee (Taiwanese nationality)
*Natalie Portman (dual Israeli and US citizenship) => she seems to be one of the most contested getting constantly removed and readded. However Oren Moverman who is of Israeli-American nationality and was nominated for Best Original Screenplay in 2009 seems to be of no issue. The same holds true for the Israeli actor Topol who was of Ashkenazi Jew descent (like Portman) but is listed in the Asian article (but Portman hasn't been). Just saying.
BUT NOT: 
*Meg Tilly (only Canadian citizenship - at least to my knowledge)
*Olivia de Havilland (only born in Japan, no citizenship)
Examples for "Asian descent" nom/win would be:
*Ismael Merchant (Indian descent)
*Bong Joon-Ho (Korean descent)
*Ang Lee (Chinese descent)
*Dev Patel (Indian descent)
*Meg Tilly (Half-Chinese descent)
*Hailee Steinfeld (Filipino descent via her maternal grandfather who was of half-Filipino descent)
BUT NOT:
*Natalie Portman (Ashkenazi Jew descent)
Currently there's absolutely no concept who's listed in which article. Ang Lee, for example, is listed under "Asian" with two films for Best Picture, but only with one of them under "Asian descent". Then again, he listed with three movies for Best Director under "Asian descent" but with none under "Asian". The same for Bong Jong-Ho: he is eligible for "Asian" in the Best Picture category but not for Best Director, on the other hand he's eligible for "Asian descent" for Best Director but not for Best Picture. This makes absolutely no sense - either they're of Asian descent/Asian for all their films or none. As descibed above, Natalie Portman is contested to be eligible for "Asian" due to her European descent (aka "looks") despite Israeli citizenship, but Oren Moverman and Topol are listed under "Asian" despite looking just as European as Portman. Ismael Merchant is listed in the "Asian" article, but not in the "Asian descent" one. On the other hand, I'm not sure if some people list under "Asian" are actually eligible (at least acc. to my def): Ben Kingsley and Dev Partel only seem to be British (their Wikipedia page don't show dual citizenship - it might be, though, that they have. Wikipedia is not allknowing... ;)
My questions would be:
#Would it be helpful if the articles contained a short description as to what is meant by "Asian nom/win" and "nom/win of Asian descent"? In the hope that this might reduce the constant removal/readding of people? Just to clarify: It doesn't have to be my definition from above, which might be completely wrong, but any defintion contributors can agree upon would be an improvement in my opinion.
#Is it possible to form a "task force" to discuss the definition to come to a broad agreement? Where? Here, on the TalkPage? (I'm quite new to Wikipedia so please forgive if this question sounds stupid).
Milkyjoeboosh (talk) 03:07, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the best solution would be to merge this list article into List of Academy Award winners and nominees of Asian descent, so we wouldn't need to distinguish between people who are Asian and of Asian-descent. There's so much overlap already, and this would obviate many questions about inclusion. — Myasuda (talk) 21:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

text: That's what I'm starting to think, too. Nowadays, you have to be a genealogist and historian to be able to edit the two articles and distinguish between them... (e.g. my gut tells me that Hayek and Cher only belong to the Asian descent article, not this article due to their lack of Libanese and Armenian nationality (at least according to their Wikipedia pages) - it's probably the same for Leigh and Oberon regardless of them being born in British Raj as they were of British nationality, not British-Indian nationality but then again I'm no historian). As far as I know there was only one article to begin with (at least when I made my first edit in 2018), but somehow the topic who is/isn't Asian was very contentious (well, still is) and then it was split in two articles with people fiercly fighting over edits. That's when I tried to clear the waters with the definition in the ledes - not that people seemed to care, anyway, apart from , sigh. If the two articles continue to exist, maybe the citizenship status should match with the citizenship status listed on a person's Wiki page so as to at least achieve intra-Wikipedia congruency...  Milkyjoeboosh (talk) 22:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distinguishing the 2 articles on "Asian" vs "Asian descent" re Academy Award winners/nominees