Wikipedia talk:Vital articles

message: I'd like to propose, at all five levels of VA, that if a proposal reaches consensus, you can't make a counterproposal against that for at least six months.  For example, if consensus resulted in an article being added, you can't propose to remove that article for six months.  If consensus resulted in an article being added, you can't propose to remove that article for six months.  Etc. etc. swaps are a little more complicated though pbp 01:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal: six-month no-revisit rule 

message: We already list Telephone at this level which should cover all phones. Interstellarity (talk) 23:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Mobile phone}} 

message: Peter is one of the key rulers that changed Russia totally. There is even such expression "pre-Petrine Russia", there is no such expression as "pre-Catherinian Russia". Russian history is clearly divided into before (with the boyars, without any schools, without navy) and after Peter (with Governing Senate, with Academy of Sciences, with a big navy). His importance cannot be overstated. Interstellarity (talk) 13:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swap [[Catherine the Great]] for [[Peter the Great]] 

message: Under , we currently list four industries within the Primary sector of the economy: , , , and ; and two industries within the Secondary sector of the economy:  and . We do not list any industry within the Tertiary sector of the economy at Level 3 or above.
Such a distribution between the three sectors is imbalanced, and within the primary sector, hunting is arguably the least important: most animals produced for human consumption (either for meat or animal products) are farmed (i.e., agriculture), not hunted. A case can be made for removing fishing instead, given that it is a subtopic of agriculture and seafood comprises a minority of meat consumed in most countries around the world, however it is probably a more widespread practice than hunting, so my preference is for the removal of hunting. Given that the tertiary sector is mostly about the provision of services, adding  makes sense.
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#As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swap: Remove 
{{VA link|Hunting}}
 {{VA link|Bow and arrow}}, add {{VA link|Service (economics)}} 

message: We are over quota at 1,003, and we already list  which includes abstract algebra. Something has got to go here. starship.paint (RUN) 09:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Abstract algebra}} 

message: We are over quota at 1,003. Jainism has only around 5 million followers. Compare to  (15+ million),  (25+ million),   (500+ million).... starship.paint (RUN) 14:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Jainism}} 

message: I think it would be helpful for our readers that may question why a particular article is listed. I understand that AI has the potential to make mistakes so I would suggest doing it for a few articles and correct any errors it makes. Rather than directing to the article to figure it out themselves, it would be helpful to have a sentence or two explaining the importance of each one. Interstellarity (talk) 21:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: And how is AI supposed to know why something is considered vital, or why X2 is more vital than X1 in talk page consensus? Don't get me wrong, I see the viewpoint here, but it just sounds flawed. I think manual descriptions for V1-V4 listings are feasible, though V5 would certainly be a whole other beast. λ NegativeMP1 16:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Since the selection of the articles were all made by users, it seems feasible for users to personally write a summation of the reasoning to annotate the vital articles list. isaacl (talk) 18:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I would love to see an 'AI-sense check' on some of our Level 3 sub-sections. For example for Wikipedia:Vital Articles#Leaders and politicians, where I am sure that the AI would rank  on a Level 3-type list of most influential leaders in history, and not some of our existing entries (per below). Aszx5000 (talk) 16:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal: Create AI generated summaries of each entity on the vital articles page explaining the importance of each individual. 

message: Extremely common structure, most of us live in them, many of us work in them, also used for shopping, schooling, airports etc. starship.paint (RUN) 02:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Building}} 

message: Since we have  on here, I think we should have Ali on here as well. The whole issue on whether he should have succeeded Muhammad immediately is the reason why Islam is mostly split into Sunni and Shia, and unlike the relationship between Catholicism and Protestantism, tensions between the two branches still flare up from time to time.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Ali}} 

message: Seems more suited for V4 when you compare the other V3 Math articles in that section (e.g. , , , ). Yes, it's Top-importance for Math, but so are another 200+ articles. starship.paint (RUN) 09:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Combinatorics}} 

message: He is probably the most important businessperson we have on here, but I'm not sure if he's that important to warrant being a Level 3.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 19:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Henry Ford}} 

message: There are plenty of editors that suggested a straight addition rather than a swap with Catherine. My reasoning is in the above discussion. Interstellarity (talk) 11:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Peter the Great}} (no swap with Catherine) 

message: This article does not compare in scale with WWII, the Industrial Revolution, and the Information Age. Interstellarity (talk) 00:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Green Revolution}} 

message: We should list  over  since we have broad coverage of the whole Korean Peninsula. The broad coverage of the Korean Peninsula and its history is more vital than the country of South Korea itself. At level 4, we list History of Korea while History of South Korea and History of North Korea are at level 5. We should do a similar thing at this level. Interstellarity (talk) 16:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If we're adding more regions as opposed to countries, let's start with the . Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Contra the supporters, the country list at VA3 is much more from a modern perspective than a historical perspective. If we want to change that fact, first priority is removing . J947 ‡ edits 22:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to the country's geopolitical significance, it seems reasonable to list either the UAE or Dubai at this level. I might support a swap with , though. Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swap: Remove {{VA link|South Korea}}, Add {{VA link|Korea}}