Template talk:Campaignbox Sinai and Palestine

message: ::Jim Sweeney is expanding this template, adding every place mentioned in the campaign as if it was a battle. Yesterday he added a red link to, what he calls the Battle of Junction Station to the Sinai and Palestine Campaign template, although its part of the Battle of Mughar Ridge fighting and described in that article. The British Army Council's report describes it as a subsequent occupation as a result of the Mughar Ridge battle and should be more properly linked to that battle. Jim Sweeney has also added a red link to the Battle of Nebi Samwil to the Sinai and Palestine Campaign template when it should be linked to the Battle of Jerusalem as it was part of that battle and is described in that article. Further the red link to Haifa and Arara form part of the Battle of Megiddo (1918) and Berukin and Arara in April 1918 like Arsuf in June 1918 were small attacks along the front line described in a few paragraphs in the main Sinai and Palestine Campaign article. What do other editors think of this proliferation? --Rskp (talk) 02:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: They are all recognised battles. Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:27, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Recognised by whom? What is your source? --Rskp (talk) 00:13, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The following application was made to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive736 Template:Campaignbox Sinai and Palestine
Hi there is a problem with an editor, who keeps adding a redirect in the Template:Campaignbox Sinai and Palestine . Its from the Battle of Jaffa (1917) to direct to the Battle of Jerusalem (1917). The editor User:RoslynSKP is well aware of the Jaffa article and has edited it. This daily change has become disruptive. The revision history for the template is here [186] Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:38, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

text: I have replace the wikilinks that were deleted, do not remove valid links from this template. You have been advised about WP:OWN on articles in the past. Jim Sweeney (talk) 05:24, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Its you who has the problem with WP:OWN. You need to get past the idea that any fighting which lasted a few hours is a battle. Its absurd to list all these engagements. They do not need separate listings on this template as they are already covered by the battles they formed part of, or were over in less than half a day. Or do you want this template to look like the Sinai and Palestine Campaign was more extensive than the western front? --Rskp (talk) 06:15, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion of template

message: Consensus reached for inclusion of deleted articles including red links Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#What should be in Campaign Box templates. Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:35, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus reached

message: My reinstatement of the chronological and georgraphic sequence of the battles fought for the Gaza to Beersheba line has been undone, the last time accompanied by this comment; "(i wrote huj its part of 3rd gaza as is hareira which redirects to the 3rd gaza battle - stop trying to re-write history - beersheba as every historian agrees was the start of the 3rd gaza battle)." In fact the battle for Khuweifle began before the fighting for Gaza began. There appears to be a misunderstanding of these battles. Beersheba was fought 30 miles or more from Gaza by two corps which were not in any way involved in the inconclusive fighting for Gaza which occurred more than 24 hours later. The fighting for Khuweifle begun on 1 November continued until 7 November, while the fighting for Hareira and Sheria occurred on 6 and 7 November. Together the pressure from these battles finally forced the Ottoman withdrawal from Gaza without any further fighting occurring for Gaza. Fighting did continue until 8 November for rearguards holding sections of the old Gaza to Beersheba line. Allenby's Force Order No. 54, XX Corps Instruction, XX Corps Order No. 12, Desert Mounted Corps Operation Order No. 2, and XXI Corps Order No. 11, clearly show the movements of the EEF corps at this time were not about the capture of Gaza, although it was assumed that it would be captured as a consequence of the fighting, but about positioning the corps for the pursuit and the capture of Jerusalem. So grouping these battles under the inconclusive Third Gaza which was fought on the night of 1/2 November really does not reflect the positions of the three corps and their battles from 31 October to 7 November. Hopefully this explanation will encourage the editor to change the campaignbox back to more accurately reflect the campaign. --Rskp (talk) 03:08, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Battle of Gaza