Talk:Syntactic gemination

message: rafforzamento sintattico — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altenmann (talk • contribs) 00:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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*In particular, the initial gemination may be conditioned by syntax. For example, in the phrase "La volpe ne aveva mangiato metà prima di addormentarsi" ("The fox had eaten half of it before falling asleep"), there is no gemination after metà, because prima is part of the adjunct, a sentence element phonologically isolated from the main clause within the prosodic hierarchy of the phrase.(ref> Nespor, Marina & Irene Vogel (1986). Prosodic Phonology. Dordrecht: Foris.</ref) 
**Comment: Most people will double the consonant in this case if the adjunct does not follow a comma!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.63.170.49 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 09:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an excellent test, unsigned. Unfortunately, the response is apparently endless dead silence. Very puzzling the people who take the time to comment, even contribute, and then are never heard from again.--47.32.20.133 (talk) 16:50, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
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message: Finnish displays a quite similar phenomenon, described in Finnish_phonology#Sandhi, a description of which should probably be added to this article, as has been done to the the Dutch version. brtkrbzhnv (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Japanese has something similar, too. A few prefixes and suffixes almost always cause gemination of the following consonant (in prefixes) or the first consonant (in suffixes). For example, 真 ma (pure, true) + 丸 maru (circle) = 真ん丸 mammaru (perfect circle). 真 + 青 ao (blue, green) = 真っ青 massao (deep blue, ghastly pale). 根 ne (root) + 子 ko (child, offshoot) = 根っ子 nekko (root, stub, stump). In these examples, 真 ma causes the following consonant to geminate and the k of 子 ko is geminated in most cases. A few other words show similar behavior. 69.54.60.34 (talk) 08:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's strange, indeed, that this article concentrates only on Italian. Certainly the well-known cases of Finnish and Japanese should be added, but there are any number of others, too. --47.32.20.133 (talk) 16:06, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
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message: I don’t think word-initial gemination and rafforzamento iniziale refer to syntactic gemination only, but also to the automatic purely phonolgical gemination of initial /dz/, /ts/, /ʃ/, /ɲ/ and /ʎ/ after vowels irrespective of what word precedes, as in lo zio /lod'dzio/, una scelta /'unaʃ'ʃelta/ etc. If others agree the article should be changed accordingly. LiliCharlie (talk) 15:52, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The initial consonants of zio and scelta are actually /ddz/ and /ʃʃ/. Same for /tts/, /ɲɲ/ and /ʎʎ/, i.e. there is no phonemic singleton corollary. [lod'dziːo], ['unaʃ'ʃelta], [loɲ'ɲɔkko], etc. are projections of /ddz/, /ʃʃ/, /ɲɲ/, permitted by the vocalic context. In post-pause position phonetic geminates are blocked, so that in terms of phonological rule, post-pause ['dziːo], ['ʃelta], ['ɲɔkko] are degeminations. The length distinction shows up nicely in varieties that have the weakening rule /tʃ/ → [ʃ] between vowels; for example in the near-minimal pair [la'ʃeːna] la cena 'the dinner' vs. [laʃ'ʃɛːna] la scena 'the scene'. --47.32.20.133 (talk) 16:39, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The terms ''word-initial gemination'' and ''rafforzamento iniziale'' mentioned in the intro 

message: This claim will be removed if no source is supplied. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 15:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just removed the Western Romance claim, first flagged more than a year ago. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 06:17, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...is an external sandhi phenomenon in [...] some Western Romance languages