Talk:Volkstaat

message: Refer to Wikipedia:Good article candidates for instructions with regards to this nomination. -Gemsbok1 11:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article nomination

message: This is a difficult topic to cover. So making a good quality article on this subject is doubly hard. I am afraid some more work will need to be done in order to bring this article to GA level.
:1. It is well written
:Fail
:I list below some of the weaknesses of the article.
:*The article needs a copyeditor for spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc.. One example of spelling errors include “seperate geographic area which could be sustainable independantly”.
:*The article needs to be restructured (criterion 1b). There are two too many one-paragraph sections making it appear almost list-like when just one whole section would be sufficient. But then the writing will have to tie these sections together into several paragraphs. Here is where we need some compelling prose. Related to this, the one-sentence paragraphs should also be folded into the new text.
:*The lead section should be more of a summary of the article and reduced to two to three paragraphs.
:*There are several incidences of WP:WEASEL words: “The proposal is in line with similar movements”, “generally increased”, etc.
:2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
:Weak pass
:References are cited but I would expect that, given the history of the Afrikaners, there would be good sources (i.e., books) that advocate the self-determination of Afrikaners and the Volkstaat model. If these exist and are cited, then the article would be more defensible.
:3. It is broad in its coverage.
:Fail
:Important historical background is missing. Although links are provided to the Boer Republics, it would be interesting to understand the source of the desire of a Volkstaat with more information on the Voortrekkers and the Great Trek. As a purported motivation is the preservation of Afrikaner culture, some statements on the culture would be desirable, i.e., what ties them together (examples, the Afrikaans language, Calvinism, Afrikaner history, etc.). At the same time, information must be provided on why a Volkstaat is not supported (see next).
:4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
:Fail
:This is where I see some major problems.
:The article does attempt to be NPOV, but it still appears to be written from Volkstaat-supporter’s point-of-view. This is implied in a subsection which mentions that even liberals and non-Afrikaners support the concept. It gives several motivations (or negative incentives) such as the rise in crime, reduction of power, etc.. However, not much information is given on those non-Afrikaners or even Afrikaners who would not support the concept (although racism is mentioned only in the lead section). Given these negative incentives, why do 66% of white South Africans oppose to the idea? Another indication of POV is the “Crime in general” subsection. Although assault and murder rates are nicely cited to a source, this fact would be more relevant to the article if someone who advocated the Volkstaat quoted this. If the article itself points this out, then it appears the article is pushing the Volkstaat’s POV.
:5. It is stable
:Pass
:6. It contains images
:Pass
In summary, here are the main points: 1) restructure the article, 2) give historical and cultural background, and 3) provide better balance showing why the majority do not support a Volkstaat. This is a difficult subject, but in my opinion, it is possible to make a quality article on this topic. And it is definitely of interest! But before nominating the article again, please make certain of the conformance to the GA criteria. RelHistBuff 15:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the review, I will work on the suggested improvements. --Gemsbok1 15:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA status

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thread_title:  Copyright Violation 

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message: I've moved this under the "Intellectual arguments" subsection. From glancing through the Volk, Faith and Fatherland source, I do not believe it quite says what is states in this section. In fact, the issue is far more complex, and deserves someone going through chapter 3 in detail and clarifying. There are a number of other interesting facts to be picked up from there, too, such as the ANC's opposition to a territorial Volkstaat arising mainly out of a fear of Balkanisation. -Kieran (talk) 19:30, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point about lacking a majority / historical homeland 

message: This article would benefit greatly from a textbook definition of the "Volkstaat", preferably from an academic source with authority, as it is never explained whether it's one proposed concept, or several, or simply an umbrella term whose definition changes from party to party. From reading the article the most one can say is that we are looking at some sort of Afrikaner self-determination, likely on federal principles. The solution I propose is 1) sticking with this definition, or 2) assuming that the term denotes full independence (ie secession) from South Africa by Afrikaners or a specific group of Afrikaners, or 3) leaving the introduction deliberately vague on the actual concept per se, while allowing for a detailed explanation of all the separate interpretations of the Volkstaat and clarifying to the reader that we're dealing with umbrella terminology, per the relevant style guide. As it is the text tends to lend itself to ambiguity, although it does leave itself open to individual readership interpretation. --Katangais (talk) 18:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volkstaat definition 

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message: Are those objective? DumaTorpedo (talk) 05:21, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I would advise you to read and understand WP:SILENCE, specially the section where it is explained why a post may be ignored, such as the silence dilemma by Bryan C. Warnock, "2. The post is complete and utter nonsense, and no one wants to waste the energy or bandwidth to even point this out.".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cilinhosan1 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased, unreliable personal studies used 

message: This section keeps getting edited over and I don't want to start an edit war. Can we establish a consensus on what the first sentence should describe a Volkstaat as? Emkut7 (talk) 02:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volkstaat description?