Talk:Pope Shenouda III of Alexandria

message: * Oppose. But leave redirect in place, of course. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Clerical names. Additional discussion at Talk:Pope Peter VII of Alexandria. –Hajor 14:05, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pope Shenouda III of Alexandria]] &rarr; [[Shenouda III of Alexandria]] 

message: This is an honorific relating to the persons standing in a particular community, and not a title. I checked the other Pope's page, and don't see it used there. AvruchTalk 03:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To a certain degree, I agree with that. However, I still see the use as not falling out of standard when it is used out of passing mention. Besides, I see the use of "His Holiness" in Wikipedia a lot. Just look at Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama. The Copts, Catholics, Buddhists, etc. can and do refer to their leaders as such. ~ Troy (talk) 21:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Honorific "His Holiness"

message: He is known for his commitment to Christian unity and has, since the 1970s, advocated inter-denominational Christian dialogue.
This statement upsets me. This man may be good when it comes to Christian vs. Muslim which is the major conflict that results in Egypt. But this mans church vs. other Christian religions or beliefs... he is far from being an advocate for dialogue. The above statement is an opinion. Facts need to prove such a statement. I believe these facts do not exist.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Themudd2001 (talk • contribs) 14:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't quite agree. I mean, yeah, facts need to prove such statements, but he is often known for being an advocate for dialogue. May be you can elaborate on where you think the issue might be? Thanks, ~ Troy (talk) 20:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not really... 

message: I haven't read through the entire article, but after reading some parts of it I must say it is highly inflammatory. Here are the following paragraphs that need rewriting. They also, above all else, need reliable sources.
After a long period of late 1970s of massive terror attacks from the Muslim Extremists against the Copts, their territories and churches all over Egypt, the state (and President Sadat) did not respond to the demand of the Copts and the church to protect them. Sadat tried to satisfy the Muslim extremists on the cost of the Copts. After about a Year of negotiations and petitions to the President and the state, no active protection was offered and they did not respond to stop the terror attacks. A number of Copts were killed and hundreds were injured was the result of a couple of years of massive terror against the Copts.
The Coptic Orthodox Church in Egypt has suffered much since the Arab Invasion in the seventh century.
Under these difficult conditions, Pope Shenouda III has been doing all that he can politically to minimize the tension and keep the social freedom. In spite of these awful attacks, discrimination and the attitude of the responsible persons, he preserves good relations with the persons responsible and with the Sheikh of Al-Azhar.
In the last ten years the Copts suffered many terror attacks resulting of tens of thousands of deaths. None of the terrorists were punished for murdering the Copts.
On Wikipedia, we avoid using the terms "terrorists" and "extremists". See WP:AVOID for details. Also claims of tens of thousands of people being killed should be backed either by news sources or books. YouTube and promotional websites should be avoided. In addition, most of the article does not have sources backing the information—a lot of which simply complements or praises the pope. I myself like Pope Shenouda and a lot of other people who have articles on Wikipedia, but editors have to try hard to abide to the rule of "Neutral Point-of-View". --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Ameer.  I agree.  This article needs to be cleaned up.  How do you propose that these problems be resolved?  --Arab Cowboy (talk) 22:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's simple. First sources have to be found backing the information. If you could find a source(s) then you still have to reword the passages so it doesn't reflect bias. However, if no sources are found, controversial information like this in a BLP should be removed immediately. When a reliable source is found, then someone could easily reinsert it into the article with a reference. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The burden of proof is upon the person who wants to keep those statements.  I suggest removing them until evidence to support them is posted.  Ameer, you're welcome to do so yourself, or I may also do it if you do not have the time.  Thanks, --Arab Cowboy (talk) 00:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest you do it or somebody else. Not me. I'm going to edit another article a little bit and then I'll be out for a while again. Salam, --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV and Unreferenced tags 

message: In the section Bishop is this sentence:
"Pope Cyril VI appointed him to the bishopric of Christian Education and as Dean of the Coptic Orthodox Theological Seminary, naming him . "
I assume the last word should be "Shenouda," but I'm not sure. Somebody want to fix it?
Queezbo (talk) 20:47, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete sentence 

message: This is insulting. The rendition of the pope's name is illegible; I do not believe the photo is really Pope Shnouda. This needs attention! And I'm not going to do it just to get jumped by a bunch of angry editors. You need to address these issues.--Djathinkimacowboy 19:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose that adding Coptic characters to a computer that does not display them could cure the hurt felt on coming across such a text in Coptic, and I am certain that the hurt felt because of personal disbelief that a photograph is of the person to whom it is attributed could likewise be cured by the small personal effort of looking up on an Internet-linked computer other images of the same individual.  Esoglou (talk) 21:56, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A mess! 

message: Does anyone know how to fix the script characters in the Coptic translation of the Pope's name? Also, I thought the Copts used the Arabic script. Is this not the case? --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What a freaking mess of the lead sentence - is there any way all the names in different languages can be footnoted? – Connormah (talk) 02:50, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coptic script 

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message: Who consecrated him to the episcopate?
--Jaques O. Carvalho ☜ 23:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who consecrated him to the episcopate? 

message: A new Coptic pope has been elected! Datu Dong (talk) 10:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New elected pope 

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message: I added a sentence to the Reaction subheading under Illness and death making reference to the massive crush among mourners waiting to view the pope's body. My intention was to give information about an important historical event that happened during the events of his mourning (which is on-topic for that section of the article), and to give a reflection of the huge number of mourners who came to the cathedral. I don't think this event should be ignored in a section that describes his mourning and funeral, though I am also aware that it might be a sensitive issue to those who want to remember only the best qualities of the pope and the celebration of his life. But we need to be neutral and encyclopedic. If anyone thinks my writing could be reworded to be more sensitive, feel free, but I think the content should remain. I looked through the article's revision history and did not see any edit summaries addressing this issue, nor is there anything on the current talk page. Dcs002 (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crowd crush of mourners 

message: "Many colleges dictate quotas for Coptic students, often around 1 or 2% despite the group making up as much as 15% of the country's population[citation needed]. There is also a separate tax-funded education system called Al Azhar, catering to students from elementary to college level, which accepts no Christian Coptic students, teachers or administrators."
This is a pretty substantial claim to make and should not be in the article without proper sources, so I've removed it. --Hazachu (talk) 05:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing issue

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message: As this is an article about a Coptic leader, doesn't it make sense to write the dates in this article  in the Coptic calendar, alongside the Gregorian calendar? 68.225.173.217 (talk) 23:47, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
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