Talk:Permeable paving

message: This article needs more data, less product references.  The Xenex references are not really appropriate, and the picture is probably copyrighted with no full use.
The trend has been for more coverage and less pavement over time.  Among the most competitive systems currently are plastic meshes made from reclaimed plastic bottles.  These allow full vegetation cover above.  These replace systems which came before which have half pavement and half open ground.  All of these systems are typically used for pedestrian or bike ways or public spaces more often than roads because under heavy use the life span is far less than that of typical non-permeable paving. -- M0llusk 22:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My search for attribution revealed an article  that indicates that freeze/thaw cycles, if properly anticipated, need not be an insurmountable problem. MrRedwood (talk) 01:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I did some light editing here, mainly under "Efflorescence", but more editing is needed. (Preferably by someone with more direct expertise than me.) Moreau1 (talk) 05:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial comments

message: A search for the quote "This is potentially the most important development in urban watersheds since the invention of the automobile" reveals two sites,  and , both of which attribute it to Bruce Ferguson, who is listed first among the References at the end of the article. Searching Google Books for this indicates it is from the book's Preface -- but no page number is visible. Amazon doesn't find my search key (probably poor OCR), but navigation to the same page is possible, and indicates the Preface is part of unnumbered 'Front Matter'.  The book runs $150 on Amazon, and isn't available in the San Francisco Public Library, so my research ends here.
There were no Google hits on the "holy grail" quote. MrRedwood (talk) 01:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited this section. Moreau1 (talk) 05:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The intro section to the article defines Permeable paving as:
:...different than pervious paving or porous pavement, by virtue of the fact that rainwater passes around the paver as opposed to passing through the paver helping to reduce or eliminate clogging found in pervious or porous systems.
Further down, under "Types of permeable paving surfaces," we have descriptions of porous asphalt and porous concrete. It appears that the porous materials should be described on another page.  There is a brief mention of Pervious concrete at Concrete (with a confusing link back to Permeable paving..!), but it looks like a new page is needed. Comments? Moreau1 (talk) 05:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction? 

message: In the Disadvantages section under Costs, the article says:
"Some estimates put the cost of permeable paving at two to three times that of conventional asphalt paving. Using permeable paving, however, can reduce the cost of providing larger or more storm water BMP’s on site and these savings should..." Emphasis mine
What is a BMP? Please define or link to the appropriate article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfbear (talk • contribs) 15:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: BMP = Best management practice. In this case, Best management practice for water pollution. I made appropriate edits. Moreau1 (talk) 04:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of abbreviation? 

message: The initial comment re. the tone of this article still stands. Reading through it is like browsing through glossy brochures at a quality builders’ yard. Fascinating, but... Although the construction industry is a major business lobby, this is an encyclopedia and, at the very least, requires references. --Technopat (talk) 09:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've added a few non-commercial references where I could find on-line access. And I pared down the commercial "link farm." Some of the info pages from the business associations (external links) are useful, at least until we can find some other neutral sources, such as government web pages. The article no longer mentions any commercial product names, although there is one remaining in the references. The research in this field is recent and ongoing, and it appears that there have been only a few published articles in small journals--generally not available for free on-line. The two academic studies cited involved well-regarded researchers in the field (Derek Booth, U. of Washington and Bill Hunt, NCSU). We need more articles like those. As for government research, US EPA and FHWA are currently working in this area, so we may see some additional documents in the next few years. Moreau1 (talk) 20:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update on initial comments 

message: any info out there about spalling damage or pothole formation? a classic pothole cause is: water gets into a crack, thermal expansion from freeze-thaw action pushes the hole out larger, allowing in more water, and the cycle repeats. presumably this surface lets water in all over the place. is it a warm-climates only surface? Cramyourspam (talk) 00:07, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  freeze-thaw issues? 

message: This article was tagged for Neutrality and Original research back in June, 2010, and since that time the article has grown considerably, and now has 16 inline citations. Is it still questionable for either of those concerns? I think not, but I welcome other opinions or comments before I remove either of those old tags.  --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:44, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality and/or Original Research 

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message: Hello. I am looking to add a few changes to this article in reference to the best suitable weather conditions as well as soil conditions for the use of Permeable paving. I am also looking to add some information regarding how it might affect water runoff especially with how it might be an effective strategy to use in the development of new establishments like neighborhoods. Nestorfi (talk) 22:25, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
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