Talk:Integrated Management Associates

message: I've done a bottom-up list prune of the external links section to bring the section more inline with Wikipedia:External links. Below is what was removed. - FrancisTyers · 11:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: OK has anyone yet recieved a letter in the mail about being offered some "ancient manuscript"
From these guys yet? Well I have and I am really not sure about it. I am very sure there not much associated with freemasontry though in there pamflit they mention someting that relates to it. But I honestly get a really bad Idea out of it. The pamflit just contained a bunch of success stories that lead you to believe something to the effect that if you buy this copy of an "ancient manuscript" you will be "suddenly changed" by a "ten second miracle". ANd what really makes me mad is that someone had came up to the success story people offering it to them strait to there face and I long for something like that to happen to me! And what really tiks me off is that "they" say they know everything about me, BUT THEY COULDN'T EVEN GET MY FIRST NAME RIGHT!! AND IT WAS JUST A SMALL ERROR like typing a G instead of an F because there close togethor but it was clear across the key pad almost!
:Well, I did receive a letter. It was very long ago. Bi 13:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The BOOK OFFER!? 

message: Somebody wrote Kimura's philosophy was "fundamentally contradictory to Neo-Tech's tenets." That's not what he says. On Wallace's euology site Kimura wrote: "Dear Rosa Maria, Wallace, Frank, and all the Ward families: It was with profound sadness that I heard the news of Dr. Ward's passing. My deepest condolences to you all. Just yesterday I received an e-mail message from a long-time student of Neo-Tech and it was in his message that I found Dr. Ward's death for the first time. Last year I lost my mother in May at 80 and two of my great mentors in March at 85 and 88, but I was unaware that another great man I had known had already passed away at 73, too young for a man I believed would live easily beyond the age 100. On August 1st, 1987, the day I arrived in the Neo-Tech office in Las Vegas to work, Dr. Ward and I had a phone conversation. He said, 'Yasuhiko, no matter what happens in the future, no matter what happens between us, I would like you to always know that I respect you--your intelligence and character'. Exactly one year later, on July 31, 1988, I left the company. Dr. Ward and I re-connected briefly around 2000 when I was the executive director of The Twilight Club, founded by Herbert Spencer in the late 19th century. Our mutual respect was still apparent. Though philosophically I moved on and developed my own system, integrating Neo-Tech/Randian philosophy into a larger framework, I always remember the exciting times I spent with Dr. Ward and his Neo-Tech family. Hearing the death of Dr. Ward, I now know that not only did I respect him highly but also I loved him deeply. Humanity will miss a great intellect and I will miss a warm loving heart that permeated his intellect and whole being. May his spirited soul soar even higher, for the great soul like his know no rest. Yasuhiko Genku Kimura."  I realize that may not be a great source because there is always a chance that someone is impersonating him but I don't think it can be claimed that's it's fundamentally contradictory without a citation. Bridge & Tunnel 20:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there's no hard evidence either way, I say let's just leave out any mention of Kimura altogether. Bi 05:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No evidence of what? That he wrote the essay? His real name is on the French version.  Bridge & Tunnel 03:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still unreliable evidence. Bi 05:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is that unreliable? Someone's name is on a published essay. If it was forged don't you think the publisher would be sued by now? That would be major fraud to use someone else's name to sell a book. Bridge & Tunnel 05:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Neo-Tech may well be sued in the future. You never know. Why can't you just leave out any mention of Kimura? Why are you so insistent on mentioning him? Bi 06:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you insist on deleting him?  This is notable information. Bridge & Tunnel 06:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The onus is on you to prove that the information is verifiable and notable. Bi 06:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (uncivil comment removed Bi 06:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kimura

message: Should the article state, as a verifiable fact, that Yasuhiko Kimura writes for Neo-Tech by the pen name Ray Kotobuki?
My personal view: no, as the evidence for this is tenuous at best. Please see the above discussion. Bi 06:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Prima facie" is not Wikipedia's policy standard. Bi 07:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (uncivil comment removed Bi 07:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're making a frivolous objection and are being disruptive. Apparently you don't know what prima facie means. There is no rule anywhere on Wikipedia that says when a person's name is printed as the author of a published book or article that that is not good enough evidence that they wrote that book or article. Bridge & Tunnel 07:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Irrelevant. This is Wikipedia, not SCOTUS. "Prima facie" is not Wikipedia's policy standard, period. Bi 07:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can only conclude that you don't know what prima facie means. Bridge & Tunnel 07:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Comment

message: Bridge & Tunnel, from where did you source your claim that I & O Publishing began operations in 1968? I've heard lots and lots of rumours to that effect — some say it started in 1968, others say it started in 1970 — but there was nothing reliable. The Better BB page, which Neo-Tech likes to ask us to check, clearly states its "original business start date" is 1992. Bi 16:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put in a source from Colby Magazine that said I & O began in 1968. That's easily verifiable if you just look at the publishing dates on the books. Here is the Poker/Neo-Tech I book on Amazon with the publishing date of 1968:  The link to the BBB is dead but if they use different names for the company then 1992 would refer to when they started using a particular name rather than how long they have been publishing. Bridge & Tunnel 13:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One, I don't see any source from Colby Magazine. Two, the entry on amazon.com contains no ISBN number, no book cover image, no nothing — which makes the information very suspect. Three, Neo-Tech clearly claims they have a 35-year record of satisfaction with the BBB; and they don't have any 35-year record with the BBB. Neo-Tech lied. Bi 07:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the Colby Magazine source is there. I don't know why it's not showing up in the table. But the same source is in the Frank R. Wallace article so go look at that one. Amazon is reliable for giving the publishing date. Why don't you go to Library of Congress? The Poker book is there, along with other books by Wallace, and it was published in 1968.  If I&O published a book in 1968, then you do the math. Have you checked to see if they had a record with the BBB when they were going under the name I&O? I didn't think so. Bridge & Tunnel 04:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bridge & Tunnel, the onus is on you to prove that a record for I&O exists in the BBB, not for me to disprove it. Bi 06:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bridge & Tunnel, you have still failed to prove that a record for I&O exists in the BBB before 1992. Sorry, but an article doesn't include a piece of information just because it "might" be true. Bi 20:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: All businesses are going to have complaints against them. There is nothing notable or interesting about that. You're obviously on a personal crusade to waste your time smearing the company (as is proved by your personal web page dedicated to doing so). If the BBB had said they didn't meet their standard, then that might be interesting. But just the fact that run of the mill complaints have been made against a business, which by the way are not published in anywhere but simply found in the records of the BBB, is not notable at all. Bridge & Tunnel 21:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, but apparently the fact that Wallace Ward is a member of Sigma Xi, which any bloke with a PhD can join, counts as notable. Stop the double standards already. Bi 07:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1968? 1970?

message: It's hard to make much sense of this article, but I did delete of couple of paragraphs that appeared to be more or less identical to each other, and which appeared to be commentary by a Wikipedia contributor. I'm not sure that the subject of this article is really notable for purposes of Wikipedia. Famspear (talk) 21:55, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: General comments

message: So apparently this outfit (or at least Mark Hamilton (writer), which redirects here) is also connected to the "Twelve Visions Party" which run a candidate in the 2013 Massachusetts special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by John Kerry.  121a0012 (talk) 01:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twelve Visions Party