Talk:Jack L. Warner

message: Duh. Since he ruled the studio with an iron hand, obviously anything actually produced would by definition have his support.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.23.104 (talk) 19:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  hard-hitting social dramas, whose production Jack Warner tended to support 

message: That's nonsense in every way. First, it doesn't - if anything, it makes them look more classy. Second, why on earth would he want to make them look cheaper? He'd want the exact opposite.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.23.104 (talk) 19:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  decreed a flat, low-key lighting style to make the sets look cheaper than they were 

message: Back again:
;Early film career
*Is this section title misleading? 'Film career' implies, but does not explicitly say, 'acting career'. What's the usual industry term for someone who shows and promotes films?
:: Comment: I revised the section heading so it reads, "Screening and film distribution." Let me know if this is too vague. 
;Formation of Warner Bros.
*There's an eight year gap here (1910 - 1918)! Is there nothing notable to say about the brothers' early production efforts? Were they successful? Why was WB not formed until 1918?
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*Similarly, is there nothing to say about the period 1918 - 1925?
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*Might be useful to have an explanation of what a head of production does, for those not familiar with the film industry.
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;Depression era
*'era in which Warner would recruit the most New Dealish (often simultaneously the most left-wing) writers and social themes' Is this worded as original? Recruiting 'social themes' sounds odd, but if that's what the quote says, then obviously leave it as is.
:: Comment: There is no rule against truncating the quote, so I eliminated the reference to social themes.
;Personal life
*'daughter of one of San Francisco's most established Jewish families' Longest established? Most notable? Doesn't sound quite right.
:: Comment: Warner's biographer described Irma Solomon's clan as one of San Francisco's "pioneer" Jewish families. Perhaps this is the most appropriate word choice.
*'1947 Alfa Romeo roadster' Do we need to know the year? Cars in Europe are not now usually known by model year, and probably weren't then, so the distinction may be meaningless in reality. On the other hand, it is what an American audience would expect to see.
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*I've removed refs to 'Warner Sr.', on the grounds that he is elsewhere referred to only as Warner, and the context with him and Jack Jr should be clear enough as is. It would be nice to tidy up the references to Ann Page/Warner as well, it is specified three times that she was Warner's wife, and twice that she was his second wife. Can you think of a way to reduce this apparent repetition? (I couldn't off the top of my head! :))
*'Jackie Park, who bore a "startling" resemblance to Warner's wife' First or second?
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;Political views
*'soft-pedaling idealogical differences with those who held leftist political views' I'm sure it's my ignorance, but I'm not quite sure what soft-pedalling (sic, for me) means in the context. Is there a less jargon-y way of putting it?
:: Comment: "Overlooking" is more direct.
;Later years
*'reedited' Should this be 're-edited'?
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*First part of first paragraph covers same ground as last para of 'The Sixties'. Can the overlap be reduced or removed?
:: Comment: Very good point! I integrated material on Warner's late 1960s career into the section titled "The Sixties." 
*The middle part of this para feels like it belongs earlier on in the article. Up to 'The Sixties' we were covering Warner's career in chronological order. Then we went to two sections focussing on specific topics (Personal Life and Politics), so it feels odd to jump back to the latter part of his career. Can the first two paras of this section be merged into 'The Sixties', which will then have to be re-named? The remaining para could possibly be moved into personal life to avoid having a one para section.
:: Comment: The material in question actually belonged in the section on the 1960s. The material in the section titled "Later years" deals with the 1970s. Thanks for catching this!
Hope that's helpful. This is a good article. It mostly pulls off the trick of focusing on Warner himself and not the company, although there are a couple of places where that could be tightened up. I've enjoyed reading it. I'll check back here to see if you've got any questions about my comments. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 18:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your comments were clear, constructive, and very helpful. I still need to work on the repeated references to Ann Warner as Warner's second wife, of course. I'll give the piece a thorough review tomorrow. Thanks, again, for your detailed feedback, which improved this article considerably. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 03:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 4u1e's comments (part II)

message: GA Criteria
1. Well written.
*Yes
2. Factually accurate and verified:
*Yes, minor changes outlined below
3. Broad coverage
*Yes, his whole life is covered
4/5. Neutral/stable
*Yes
6. Images 
*I don't think that the Youngstown image belongs in the article: it's not directly related to Warner. The same thing for the German American Bund parade image. 
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The Hollywood Studios image should get moved to Commons since it's free use. That image certainly belongs in this article. Portrait has fair use criteria. Thoughts for possible free use images: 1) a picture of his family like his wife(s) or young Jack, Jr. He married before 1923, so a wedding picture? 2) His star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Don't worry if you can't find any of my suggestions.
:This image of his house might be interesting enough to including in this article. If so, you would need to ask the photographer to consider licensing it Creative Commons. They are a Wikipedia fan, so your odds are better thant the normal 50%. Royalbroil 19:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Comment: The photo is described as "public" on the Web site. I used a free use license that requires attribution but will contact the author about moving it to Commons -- twelsht (talk) 17:27, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Overview

message: *"His 45-year career exceeded that of any other studio head". In what way did his career exceed others? Length? Sales? Is this NPOV?
: Comment: Good catch! I revised this statement so that it clearly refers to the length of his tenure, rather than the effectiveness of his leadership. 
*Cite "to procure the technology for the film industry's first talking picture" - most firsts should be cited
: Comment: I totally agree and added an inline citation. 
*"a bestseller that condemned" I assume it's a book. How about "a bestselling book that condemned"?
: Comment: Good observation.
*Some words might be written too high for most readers (I have 2 college degrees). I had to look it up 2 of these words. "presaged" - How about "was a precursor" or "was an omen"? Also, "prescient" "enmity" "ingratitude".
: Comment: I altered some of the language and will continue to work on this. 
*Consider moving the first paragraph in the "Personal life" section to the lead. I don't like how there's a summary of his life right before it tells you the details.
:  Comment: Thanks! This seems to work better. I was also concerned that the "Personal life" section was a bit too long.
Excellent job finding relevent and interesting quotes an integrating them into the text! It's a well-written article that looks ready for GA and beyond. Royalbroil 14:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyedit

message: How is it possible that Michael Curtiz was at Mr Warners memorial service when he was, at that point , already dead 15 years???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.233.83 (talk) 02:52, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  death and legacy section 

message: Jack, jr, did a nice if pedestrian life of his father clothed as Ham Robbins, in a novel "Dream Factory," 1982, and contains a remarkable amount of material from this wikipedia article. I'm surprised it didn't mention the book.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.29.211 (talk) 00:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dream Factory 

message: Sounds like a small section has been missed out. The first mention of second wife Ann is when the family 'refuses to accept her'. How did she arrive, and when did they marry? 81.158.42.208 (talk) 11:48, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second wife 

message: The "Andrews vs. Hepburn" section of the My Fair Lady article seems to have small discrepancies with this article in relation to the reason Jack Warner left and other related issues. Davehoekst (talk) 01:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a well sourced feature article. Any discrepancies should be addressed at the film page. Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warner and My Fair Lady 

message: He also had a daughter named Barbara.  It is written somewhere in the book Hollywood Be Thy Name that she was born while he was still married to Irma.  He started his affair with Ann a few years before he officially divorced Irma.75.72.35.253 (talk) 03:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Jack Warner Jr. Was Not His Only Child

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message: The article states that he was a son of jewish immigrants from Poland.  Mind you, in the XIXX century, Poland did not exist as an independent country as it was partitioned by Austria, Prussia and Russia.  I think it should be re phrased.  I believe it should read "a son of Polish Jewish immigrants from the Russian Empire(or whichever part they were from).  Norum 12:46, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country of origin 

message: Maybe somebody can find some info on Lita Warner's lawsuit against Jack Warner's estate.   Did she win the lawsuit?  Or receive a settlement?    ....the backstory:  Sam Warner married silent film actress Lina Basquette in 1925;  Sam died in 1927 from an infection that went to his brain.  Lina's daughter was adopted by her Uncle Harry Warner.   Marc S., Dania Fl   2602:304:AE91:E4C9:30DD:83DF:BCBB:FA88 (talk) 16:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sam Warner's Estate, and Lita Warner's lawsuit in the 1970s against Uncle Jack Warner

message: Any objections to throwing this article into the pile of potential TFA reruns for this year and next? Any cleanup needed? If it helps, here's a list of dead or dubious links. - Dank (push to talk) 00:02, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  TFA rerun 

message: I removed "Canadian-American" from the lead first sentence, and I question whether Warner belongs in "Canadian X" categories like . True he was born in Canada, to parents who had moved from Baltimore, Maryland, but the family returned to the US when Jack was no more than two years old.  For comparison, his older brothers Harry, Albert, and Sam, born in Poland (then part of Russia), are not categorized or described as Polish-Americans or Russian-Americans. Canadian identity doesn't seem very significant to his career or biography, aside from his 2004 (long after his death) inclusion in Toronto's Canada's Walk of Fame. If zero or very few sources call him "Canadian" or "Canadian-American" (which is different from Canadian-born American), then Wikipedia should follow suit, and not place disproportionate emphasis on the birth place, in the same way we don't call Bruce Willis a "German-American" or "West Germany-born American", especially not in the introductory sentence. --Animalparty! (talk) 00:06, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Canadian" 

message: née Mary Scarborough:
*Jackie Park 
*Jacqueline Park 
*Jacquelyn Park
*Jaqueline Park
*https://prod-www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/0%7C76842/Jacqueline-Park
*Jaqueline Park: Still around? maxfisch.com/thehang
*https://therumpus.net/2016/03/15/west-of-eden-by-jean-stein/
*https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/02/11/very-big-in-la/
::.... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 16:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mary Scarborough 

message: For a "featured article" with the star on top and all that, I can't believe how many grammatical errors are strewn throughout. I doubt these are all stylistic devices. You find 'em and you fix 'em, I've better things to do with my time. StyxinConn47 (talk) 00:58, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Riddled with poor grammar and syntax  

message: He was a smart person because he bought the shares of the brothers and managed it alone 185.131.154.130 (talk) 20:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  shrewdness