Talk:List of castles in Scotland

message: (moved from Castles in Scotland by bjh21 19:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please feel free to edit this or any other castle page, you don't have to let us know first, but please stop by the project page and contribute to ongoing discussion there, thanks ::Supergolden:: 12:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think my comment requires a new topic, but it relates to the Historic Scotland (HS) icon used for Dunnottar Castle, I visited this castle in October 2005 at that time it was not run by HS but privately owned, and I had a quick look on the HS website for Dunnottar but it did not show up. ::Sjjb1610:: 14:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Management

message: I added a key, template . Its a bit generic - do we need any other symbols on this page? eg Privately owned, ruined? ::Supergolden:: 13:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, good idea.  What about National parks of Scotland? --Billreid 17:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean for castles which are in a national park? Or just to add to the template. I changed the key on this page to reflect the content, ie symbols for castles open to the public, and for ruins. Now all it needs is for someone to go through thsi very long list and tag them all! ::Supergolden:: 17:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's what I meant but is there a logo?  I will certainly tag the Moray ones and any others that I work on. --Billreid 18:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't a logo that I know of, but thanks for your offer of help. ::Supergolden:: 11:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Key 

message: The icons for the different statuses of the castles is a good idea, but I think we don't have a sufficient fair-use claim for the icons.  Firstly we're not using them solely on the pages for which they're subject (so one can use the NTS logo on the NTS page, but not really on the pages of all their properties.  A similar discussion regarding the team logos of US football teams on summary pages (like a year's results page) concluded that this was too far from fair use and too close to decoration.  Secondly they don't list the source (which is mandatory for fair-use).  And thirdly we can't say, at least for most, that we can't come up with a free equivalent.  We do use the little NTS logo, but it's so small that it's really pretty useless.  I took a brief stab this morning with making up free logos that should serve the same purpose.  My first cut is here: .  I've not done the historic building one (it's a bit harder, but not too bad), and I'm by no means settled on any of these designs. But I propose we develop free SVG equivalents of the icons we use now and replace the fair-use ones with these. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 12:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (I should mention that I'll me mostly offline until next weekend, but if anyone has any suggestions between now and then, I can fix up the icons then). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 13:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the fact that they are so incredibly low-res not matter :)? You are probably rght though. The ones you put up look OK to me - we could do blue for HS, green for NTS, brown (say) for the 'other open to the public', and red for private? Surely we only need to replace the HS and NTS ones, not the historic house or ruin ones, which are generic (ruin was made by me). The Castles in England page uses the english heritage and NT logos too. ::Supergolden:: 14:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It helps that they're smaller, but they're still fair use nevertheless. Ruin has a fair-use licence tag on it, so you should fix that. You're quite right about Historic House, it's fine (pfew, saves me drawing something).  Whatever we do we should definately colour-key, but we mustn't rely only on the colour (as lots of people are colour blind).  We should also make sure the images have a decent alt= text on them, so  not , for the sake of those with braille browsers and screen readers. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 14:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have thought the simplest sollution would be to ask for permission to use the images. However, is the ownership of the buildings really that important. I'd much rather see information about the type of building that it's ownership e.g. ruin/reconstruction or Towerhouse/Keep/Broch/Mote and whither it's open to public or private, free or paid entrance etc. Rincewind42 14:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use icons

message: I came to this list because I am looking for a castle whose name begins with K, and that I might recognise when I see it. I tried the categories first, but they were sorted by locality. Wouldn't it make sense for this list to be sorted alphabetically across the whole of Scotland, to give people a choice? Jamie Mercer 20:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: May I propose that someone develops a bot of some sort to create a second (sub) page that lists the castles alphabetically.  Obviously this would be far too much to maintain manually, but could be a useful tool/reference list if one was looking for a particular castle (as per comment above).  Is this possible? Slink pink (talk) 12:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Order

message: :Image:HS-icon.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:HS-icon.png

message: :Image:NTS-icon.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:NTS-icon.png

message: The list page states that: "Scotland contains many buildings which were built to look like castles, but are not usually considered to be castles. These are examples of tower houses or Scottish Baronial revival style. They should only appear in this list if the building was given the title of "castle" (e.g. Balmoral Castle)."I'm slightly confused about the status of tower houses in the list.  While the list does contain tower some houses (which seems sensible to me) the above implies that they shouldn't be included.  Further, inclusion based on nomenclature doesn't seem at all objective, as very small towers are sometimes called castles (e.g Edingham Castle - Dumfries & Galloway) while larger 'castles' are sometimes referred to as towers (e.g. Drumcoltran Tower (previously Castle) - Dumfries and Galloway).
Could someone please clarify. Cheers. C1614 (talk) 19:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The, admittedly confusing, intro blurb is meant to refer to non-defensive revival castles, largely those of the 19th century, such as Balmoral, which are not really castles but large houses with decorative features drawn from defensive architecture. Defensive or pseudo-defensive structures such as tower houses should be included. I hadn't even noticed it was contradictory, I'll change it. Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 09:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that better? Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 10:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

text: That's great; it's much clearer now.  I'll start plugging away at Dumfries and Galloway's tower houses. Thanks. C1614 (talk) 14:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology  

message: Anyone know what's happened to the Aberdeenshire section to make the images appear above the table?  More importantly - how do we fix this??? Slink pink (talk) 11:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fine to me? Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 10:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah ha! It looks different because my window is only half the screen width!! Slink pink (talk) 11:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aberdeenshire - help! 

message: "The first castles were built in Scotland in the 11th and 12th centuries, with the introduction of Norman influence." What's a Broch if not a castle? Brendandh (talk) 18:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A good question. The broch article says they "belong to the classification "complex Atlantic roundhouse" ", and date from around the 1st century. Castles are a medieval type, originating around the 10th century in Europe, and arriving in Scotland with the Normans, so its unlikely that there was any continuity of architectural thought. There are certainly similarities in form and possibly function, but I don't think it is true to say that brochs are castles. Regards, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 11:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Disagree

message: I came accross this engraving on Commons:but cannot trace the castle, perhaps Scottish? Or perhaps this is an alternative name for Innerwick Castle? Pahazzard (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the picture you are almost certainly correct: Innerwick perches on a rock by a river and you can see the sea in the background. Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 19:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inverwick Castle 

message: So far, I've noticed a couple of different formats of location:
Six/eight/ten-figure grid reference, e.g. 
Coordinates, e.g. 056.34ºN 003.12ºW
My order of preference is based on increasing accuracy:
*Six-figure reference
*Eight-figure reference (to replace six-figure ref)
*Ten-figure reference (to replace eight-figure ref)
*Ten-figure reference + Coordinates
Does anyone else have a preference? Also, some include a locality - should this be part of the standard format ? Slink pink (talk) 08:55, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: My preference would be for grid references (of whatever figure) over coordinates because that's what I'm more familiar with. However, as there's a fair amount of space in each of the text boxes I think including both would be a good idea.  I've also come round to including a locality since I last posted on the subject way back in 2008 - again, as there's enough space I think including as much information as possible is worthwhile. C1614 (talk) 17:26, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location - reference styles 

message: From my perspective, the current image seems okay as a lead image - it fills the space nicely, illustrates many of the points in the article well. I'd be inclined to argue that we keep it, unless a particularly better one can be found. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the Criagievar image clearly shows architectural features and the lighting is better. I have just reverted 's edit - I hope they will now leave the image in place while the matter is discussed. SagaciousPhil - Chat 17:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be good to have a few images on this page, though I feel the nature of this article is a bit unclear since the split. Its effectively a placeholder, and the content is presented better at Scottish castles. Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 11:47, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead image... 

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