Talk:List of Lost characters/Archive 2

message: *The Flashback Characters section feels like a great big mess to me, and with Season 2 introducing new characters and continuing the tradition of flashbackery, it seems like this section will simply continue to grow. Anyone else think it's time to give it a trim? Baryonyx 19:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, what I believe we need to do is determine which Flashback Characters are critical, and which aren't. If they're there simply for background (like, say Lily in Charlie's "Exodus" flashback, or the couple in Sun and Jin's flashbacks), they don't need to be here. Nor should hypothesized things like "Unnamed woman". IMHO, the MAJOR flashback characters are obvious: (I know all the names of these characters, just not using them to make it clear who I mean) Jack's father and wife, Locke's mother and father, Charlie's brother and lady friend, Jin's father, Sun's father, Sawyer's partner and his target, Sayid's friend and lady friend, Kate's childhood friend, her mother and the farmer,  Claire's boyfriend and the psychic, Hurley's psych ward friend and the wife, and Walt's mother and step-father. I realize that's still a steep list, but these are the biggest ones. The way I think we can reformat this is into some sort of tabled list, including Character Name, Actor Name, Related To, and Episodes. We don't need the mini-biographies, I think. Baryonyx 19:43, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this. It is quite a mess and no doubt will continue to get worse. These "extras" are why we link to IMDB most of the time, IMHO. K1Bond007 19:48, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it make sense to limit it to characters who appear in two or more episodes? Those who appear in only one episode are self-contained, and maybe they could be mentioned on the major character page for the flashbacker if appropriate.  So far we have only five recurring (multi-episode) flashback-only characters: Jack's father, Jack's wife, Locke's father, Hurley's mother and Walt's mother. Ahkond 18:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually cut this section down that day, under the Be Bold proviso. The table you see now used to be a long list of text. The characters there now are the ones who have pretty strong influences on the lives of the characters. Could it be trimmed down more? Yes... but when making the current list, I had to ask myself which was better: having a longer table, including perhaps a couple more that could be excised, or having a shorter table that will be crufted to death because someone was upset I ignored say... Locke's mother. I went with the longer list. There have been additions to that list that I don't think we're necessary (Jack's mother, for one... she is of minor importance compared to Christian and Sarah). We can discuss which ones can be cropped out if you'd like. Baryonyx 03:23, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

text: * I think listing such flashback characters under the Episode they appear may be more appropriate. People are more likely to find (and be interested in) the minor characters, based on a particular episode they appear in, versus looking for them under the main character's page. However, I'd also suggest that we still need a list, significantly shortened, of those characters which have  appeared more than once. In other words, removing all the one-time flashback characters here, and leaving only those who have been featured in multiple flashbacks and/or played an important part in the life of the main character. That would cut out a significant number, which matches Baryonyx's list above-- although I'd suggest Brian Porter (single appearance) could be left out, while Diane Jensen (twice appeared) should be included. —LeFlyman 01:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Well, I am on board for either idea. The only question now remains: Who is going to do this and when do we start? :) I'd be glad to help, but I am not entirely knowledgeable on creating tables in WP or some of the other more technical aspects. If we want to divide up the work, just let me know what to do! Danflave 19:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Pending the decision in regards to whether or not the episode guide will be split up into multiple pages, I think we should hold off on this. Should we create separate pages for each episode, then I definitely feel that is the proper place for flashback characters. Danflave 19:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Flashback Characters

message: I have added a brief section on flashback crossovers. Those keen-eyed observers amongst you may be able to pick up more of them.  I think the frequent motif in flashbacks of the TV playing in the background provides more clues into the nature of the show regarding coincidences, and should not be overlooked.
Octothorn 07:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flashback Crossovers 

message: *I'm also of the opinion that the information contained in the Non-Televised Characters is of little value and probably falls beyond the scope of what is appropriate for this page (should be fansite material), and with the exception of Dr. Arzt and US Marshal Mars, the Other Survivors section is also unneeded. IMHO, this page should focus only on those characters that have proven pivotal to the plot, be it on or off the island, in some way. No one in the Non-Televised Characters section has, and I'm not of the opinion that most of the Other Survivors have really stood out yet (being a running joke, half of which is dead doesn't count). When characters like Scott, Steve, Tourniquet Man, etc. begin having major speaking roles and influencing action, we can add them back. But for now, I'd say remove those two sections entirely, and move Dr. Arzt and US Marshal Mars to Secondary Characters. Baryonyx 21:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Further Cleanup

message: Time again to remind folks that Wikipedia is not the place to try out novel theories, suppositions or guesswork, all of which falls under the Wikipedia:No Original Research Policy. While some uncited material may slip into the Lost character articles due to its nature as a "mystery show," that shouldn't suggest it's ok to further add one's own ideas of the meaning or nature of characters, without citation from an authoritative source. Thus, I've removed the new speculative "Name Origins" by anonymous editor 70.27.35.171. If someone can provide verifiable and reliable sources that the "meaning" ascribed to the character's names actually reflect the writers' process in naming them (referenced in series' promotional materials, for example), I'd be happy to see the sections re-included. While they may be interesting and thought-provoking, such material is probably best left to fan Web sites. (That's not to say, of course, that they shouldn't be brought up for discussion on the Talk pages, for possible inclusion in the articles.) LeFlyman 15:35, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

message: ===As Flashback===
The section heading indicates that these are people seen ONLY in flashbacks, not on the island. If we wanted to be technical, Desmond is not the only flashback character to appear on the island. Through Boone, Sawyer is both a flashback character and a main character. Similar conclusions can be reached concerning all the main survivors (including Rose, Arzt, and the marshal). I personally do not think we need repetitious information on the same page, and placing an entry for Desmond in Flashback Characters and Secondary Characters does just that. Citing these two reasons, I've removed him from Flashback Characters. Baryonyx 03:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  In looking at the larger one Baryonyx pointed out on The Fuselage, I think it may be as likely to be a phoenix/firebird-- with the second "head' looking more like a crown-- than a two-headed eagle, particularly as it is colored red, Plus, the symbolism of a phoenix is more appropriate. Compare, for example to this: http://www.singaporerooms.net/images/phoenix-logo.jpg --LeFlyman 19:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: About Desmond

message: The section heading indicates that these are people seen ONLY in flashbacks, not on the island. If we wanted to be technical, Desmond is not the only flashback character to appear on the island. Through Boone, Sawyer is both a flashback character and a main character. Similar conclusions can be reached concerning all the main survivors (including Rose, Arzt, and the marshal). I personally do not think we need repetitious information on the same page, and placing an entry for Desmond in Flashback Characters and Secondary Characters does just that. Citing these two reasons, I've removed him from Flashback Characters. Baryonyx 03:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: As Flashback

message: I noticed that someone has identified by name and possible reference, the symbol on the locker used by Desmond in his underground lair-- although, I did not see it on his uniform. However, there was also a very unusual design on Desmond's shirt in the "stadium running" flashback with Jack, which I've screencapped here:
 
Can anyone identify what this is, as it was shown repeatedly and clearly in multiple shots while Desmond was holding up Jack's ankle? Is it just me, or does it seem to be reminiscent of the "Anarcho-punk" symbol, such as this one: http://www.ahherald.com/images/news/2004/anarchy.jpg ? There's even what looks like an "A", in black, on the right of the design, turned on its side -- LeFlyman 16:55, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  In looking at the larger one Baryonyx pointed out on The Fuselage, I think it may be as likely to be a phoenix/firebird-- with the second "head' looking more like a crown-- than a two-headed eagle, particularly as it is colored red, Plus, the symbolism of a phoenix is more appropriate. Compare, for example to this: http://www.singaporerooms.net/images/phoenix-logo.jpg --LeFlyman 19:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Symbols and Designs

message: I removed information claiming that Desmond appears in an as of yet unaired episode.  Even if the contributor does have advance knowledge of episode information, the cite is not verifiable, and therefore does not meet Wikipedia guidelines for inclusion. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearances

message: Why is Ana-Lucia listed in the "Deceased" section?  The section serves as a running headcount total, where we keep track of how many survivors of the plane crash are on the island.  I would propose that the section be renamed "Headcount", where additions like the tail section group and the birth of Aaron would fit more sensibly.  Ana-Lucia already has a separate page, but we should list other members of her party (Libby, Bernard, etc.) above in the Secondary section.  If they take on strong roles, they could then be promoted to primary characters with their own pages; either way, a "headcount" section could simply refer the reader elsewhere. Ahkond 16:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Section changed to "Census" and has counts both flight 815 and people already on the island. Rillian 01:47, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deceased section 

message: I think that "Writers Assistant Matt Ragghianti" shouldn't be deemed a more reputable source than Locke in Orientation, saying there were 43 in his group. Ethan was part of the count when it was declared there were 48. Also, when Hurley did the census after Marshal Mars died and another girl drowned, he says this:
Hurley: We've got a problem. The manifest, Jack, the census, the names of
everyone who survived, all 46 of us. I interviewed everyone. Here, at the
beach, got their names. One them, one of isn't... Jack! One of them isn't
in the manifest. He wasn't on the plane.''
Hurley counted Ethan, and thus Ethan was part of the 48. That means there's presently 43 mid-section survivors, with 4 who went rafting, and Locke was correct in Orientation.--Trypsin 20:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of survivors 

message: Is this "Island Census" truly necessary? The section is repetitive and crufty LeFlyman 03:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Take another look. I removed some of the repeated information. I think this is a valid section as people regularly ask "how many survivors are there?" and "who else is on the island?" Rillian 18:12, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it has gone overboard, and could stand a trimming down. The section has gotten out of control. And, the questions above, for an encyclopedia's purposes, have a two sentence answer: "A total of 73 people survived the crash of Flight 815, and 25 have subsequently died on the island, while one has been born. They are joined by at least 3 other people on the island at the time of the crash." These three people are Desmond, Danielle, and Ethan. I hesitate counting ANY of the Others, because I consider thinking them definitively human is speculation at this point. If you guys want to count the Others, that's fine... but it still only needs 2 sentences. Everything else is cruft. Baryonyx 20:26, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Cruft is the new spam. Just when you think you've gotten rid of it, more shows up. I saw your earlier comment about Marvin Candle-- should his appearance in one scene qualify for "Secondary character" status? By that token, nearly all the flashback characters should get their own paragraph (particularly Jack's father). And should deceased characters (Ethan Rom, the Marshal, and Leslie Arzt) whose stories are currently "over" even be grouped with the main -- "secondaries?" LeFlyman 10:31, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, remember, I was talking about Marvin Candle's listing in Flashback Characters... he most certainly isn't that yet, unless we want to consider the survivors watching a video a flashback. However, I see he has been added as a secondary character, which, at this point, he most certainly doesn't deserve, since 1.) he's not even technically on the island and 2.) one scene, no matter how important, does not a secondary character make. In fact, most everything he says is already written up on the pages for The Hanso Foundation and The Dharma Initiative. As for how we handle deceased characters with a big enough role to count as a secondary character (which Ethan most certainly is, the Marshal and Arzt less so) that is certainly up for debate. I mean, the question in each of their cases should be: how much is the info in their sections duplicated in other sections on the main characters. Some, like Desmond, Danielle, and perhaps Ethan cross too many characters, and perhaps deserve a write-up so that we're not endlessly repeating their stories in the main character pages. Just link it and you're done. Thoughts? Baryonyx 17:11, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

text: This section has gone up again several times. I will remove it as cruft and duplicated information every time. For the benefit of those who feel that these truly minor characters need to be on the page, I have left those who are not dead in the section restored by Rillian. If dead characters start showing up there again, they will be removed, because they already have entries under the Island Census section. Baryonyx 23:31, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Why are we removing "Other Characters" from the list when they die? We don't remove major or secondary characters once they die. If so, Boone's page should come down and the Marshall's section should be removed. The top of this page is a list of characters: major, secondary and other. The bottom section is a census of how many people are still alive from the crash and those already living on the island. The names of the characters who have died are repeated simply to show how the accounting works. Rillian 19:04, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This section has come down several times for its crufty nature. These characters are so minor that some of them don't even have names. However, I'll leave it alone for a few days, until after "The Other 48 Days" airs. If, however, this list suddenly balloons after that episode (as I expect it will), the whole section will be wiped as the cruft it is. Baryonyx 02:08, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Island Census

message: Isn't Arzt the person whose leg was caught in the first episode, the first person Jack saves? Notjim 13:05, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Arzt

message: *What makes a character a "main" character? It seems kind of black-and-white to me. Main characters are those that have had flashbacks featured.  I disagree that Ana-Lucia, Eko, and Libby are "main" characters. They belong in the "Tail-Section Crash Survivors" area.
*And why the need for such exhaustive profiles of Ethan, Rousseau, and Desmond? This ought to be a LIST with brief descriptions, not a COMPENDIUM. If someone wants to provide comprehensive biographies on everyone, they ought to start a fan site, not clog up Wik.
::First, please sign in when leaving a comment. Second, new sections go at the end. Third, main character listing is determined by those who receive star billing. If they're important enough to the producers to be listed as primary stars in the credits, then they count as main characters. By your logic, Shannon did not count as a main character until "Abandoned", because she had no "featured flashback episode" all her own until this past week. Sure, she had appearances in "Hearts and Minds"... but that was Boone's episode. Also, by your logic, Walt is still not a main character, since "Special" is Michael's episode, not Walt's. 
::Of course, your interpretation of these episodes may be different, which is exactly why we need an objective criterion (offical cast listings) established by the show's producers to determine who counts as a main character. All three of the new characters listed as mains (Ana-Lucia, Mr. Eko, Libby) are also listed in the opening credits as stars, with Michelle Rodriguez having been listed as such since the start of Season 2, before her character even appeared. I've noted in the past that I want to hedge my bets on including Mr. Eko and Libby as main characters, since they did not receive star billing until "Everybody Hates Hugo", but they've been added anyway, and I'm inclined to leave them there for now, especially since some upcoming episodes indicate an increased role for Eko (working with Locke).
::As for "exhaustive profiles" of Ethan, Rousseau, and Desmond, they're not really that long (well, I'd agree that Danielle can be trimmed somewhat), and these are three examples of important, recurring characters who have been central to several plot developments. What's there is for the most part pretty good. If fact, I'd go so far as to say that I'm pleased that these characters have remained here, meaning that fans have avoided the temptation to go for the full on cruft and break them out into separate pages, which would just lead to their deletion. These sections used to be much, much worse, including individual entries for such major secondary characters "Tourniquet Man" and "Sullivan". These three are actually significant players in the island story to date, and I'm quite content leaving them where they are. Baryonyx 21:59, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Main" Characters

message: Her AFD debate agreed to merge and redirect. Johnleemk | Talk 12:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Faith Harrington]] merged here 

message: This is, admittedly, original research at this point, but...how can we be sure that Rousseau has been on the island for approximately 16 years?  Yes, Sayid makes his calculations and comes up with a pretty exact date, but that 16 year figure is only the time that the numbers message has been broadcasting, not how long ago Rousseau changed the message.  In fact, when Sayid tells her that it has been 16 years, Rousseau accepts it, but is at first taken aback.  She says in an incredulous voice, "has it really been that long?"  Like I said, I've not been through any other sources so I wouldn't want to change it.  So...any thoughts? --Easter Monkey 10:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting and thanks for the link.  I'd still make the point though that one couldn't argue for any length of time, 16 years, 4 years, 8 years, 15 years, etc. (oops, I just subconciously wrote those.  Seriously.  Maybe the numbers really are bad.) :) Anyway, anything short of her telling us what "iteration" the message had been on when she changed it (thus we'd be able to subtract from what it is currently on and then make Sayid's calculations), there is no way of telling how long she has in fact been there.  If we ever meet Alex (was she the one that threw the homemade bomb onto the raft? -speculation of course) then we could have a much better sense.  Interestingly though, I rewatched the season 1 finale last night, seems that Sayid at least is convinced that she's been there for 16 years (when Charlie gets knocked on the noggin while looking for Aaron...) Anyway, it's fun guessing...--Easter Monkey 02:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Ah, I see what the confusion is: Sayid is basing his 16 year calculation not on the Numbers message, but on how long he believes Rousseau's SOS message had been playing. Recall that each iteration of her message included a count, which Sayid multipled by the length of the message to get "16 years." Thus, she definitely has been on the Island at least that time.It seems to be a given-- but perhaps shouldn't be-- that the iteration was reset when Rousseau recorded her SOS. We have no idea (yet) just how long ago the "Numbers" were broadcast, prior to her changing the message-- although, we might speculate (which does become Original Research) that it was contemporary to the arrival of the Dharma Initiative on the Island c. 1980. --LeFlyman 02:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sixteen years 

message: Alas, alas -- we FINALLY have confirmation from a member of the production team (Writer's Assistant Matt Ragghianti) regarding the actual number of Tailies. Everyone, please visit The Fuselage. Libby DID mistakenly include Goodwin in her count.  The actual number of survivors is 22!  I am so glad to FINALLY get this straightened out. Danflave 21:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good find. I wish his comment was a little more definitive though - "Your math seems to check out to me. So I think we can safely say you are correct," It still leaves the question as to why Libby would include a traitor and killer in her count. Not something you would easily forget. Rillian 00:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rillian, I considered that, but as a staff member who works directly with the writing team, I am sure Matt knows if there was an extra (previously unknown) Tailie.  I think, truthfully, that we fans are often more picky about details than those who actually create the show! :)  We can only speculate why Libby included him -- perhaps, in the confusion of meeting a whole new set of 815 survivors, she mis-spoke (the woman IS under a lot of stress!); perhaps (as some have theorized), she never heard the truth from Ana Lucia; perhaps 23 is the number that "stuck" with her when they first made the census in the first few days after crashing and she forgot to omit Goodwin when talking to Michael, etc, etc.  Of course, that is all OR, and won't be included in the article.  I just think this has provided some closure (and remember, if there is anything in future episodes that refutes this, we can always change it back!  It's Wikipedia!) Danflave 01:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Island Census Solution

message: Not sure how to handle the citation request for Rose. All she has ever said is she is from the Bronx (the question asked of her is "Where are you from?"), in the very first episode after the "security system" makes its presence first known. This raises two dilemmas concerning what's written on the page: 1.) That does not mean she resides there, so it may be inaccurate to have the information there to begin with (and thus, should be excised) and 2.) if it is accepted, do we really need a citation of something that appears within the show itself (and is thus canon), and if so, how do we go about citing the DVD on WP? Personally, I'm in favor of just dropping that line, but the 2nd question remains. Baryonyx 01:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am of the opinion that it does not need to be cited, she clearly said she was from the Bronx on the show. That's canon. But I also do not think it needs to be removed (Maybe re-phrased?) But I think you are putting too much thought into it! :) Danflave 03:32, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation for Rose

message: Am I the only one unsure about the moniker "Mr. Friendly"? They certainly did not use that name in last night's episode. Does anyone know where this originated? Was he billed that way in the credits? If it was in TV Guide or on the IMDb, we can't consider that the definitive source. They've made mistakes in the past. I can't even find him referred to as "Mr. Friendly" on the ABC site. What do people think? Danflave 11:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It makes a bit more sense to call him "Zeke", as Sawyer did in the episode. android79 16:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: He's credited as Mr. Friendly (see IMDB's list of guest stars for Lost).  Zeke is a Sawyer given nickname that pokes fun at The Other's resemblance to hillbillies. Jtrost 18:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Zeke" is definitely just a nickname Sawyer came up with. But again, with the "Mr. Friendly" issue, the IMDb has not always been right. I feel calling him "Mr. Friendly," when his name was never given in the episode, might not be canon. Just my opinion... Danflave 18:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He has no "canon" name, so Mr. Friendly is as good as anything.  It's certainly the name he's been known by in fan circles since his initial appearance at the end of season 1. -- MisterHand 19:06, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It's very likely that "Mr. Friendly" was made up on some forum, and IMDb chose to use it, given the lack of any published name for the character. Maybe something like "Bearded Man" or "Bearded Boat Captain" would be better. If "Mr. Friendly" or "Zeke" are used, they should be in quotes, as they are both nicknames for the character. android79 19:11, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the name that's being used by Lost fansites and message boards.  I think it's the best name to go with for now. Jtrost 19:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That name is potentially confusing for anyone who doesn't frequent fansites. android79 20:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: "It's the name that's being used by Lost fansites" -- If that is the case, then that is complete Original Research, and is most certainly not "as good as anything." Danflave 20:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's what it boils down to: websites that Wikipedia regularly references such as IMDb and TV.com use that name.  It is hard to believe that those websites, along with every other Lost website on the Internet, would arbitrarily adopt that particular name for him.  It will eventually be the name that people associate with that character.  For us to use any other name would be confusing.  This is not a case of original research because the name has been published at accredited websites and we can reference those websites if necessary.  Additionally, the keywords "Mr.Friendly"+Lost return over 10,000 hits on Google.  I think it's safe to use this name. Jtrost 20:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: * Like the controversy over Kate's real name, we can always correct it later. I say we use "Mr. Friendly" (in quotes), as that's the closest to "official" we have for him, via IMDB, until something more authoritative comes along. —LeFlyman 20:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I object, for all the reasons stated above.  The character is well-known by the moniker of "Mr. Friendly," and the article explains exactly who he is for those who might be unfamiliar with the nickname.  Note the results of Jtrost's google search above. -- MisterHand 14:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the characther is "well known" by that moniker.  I might guess, that for people on fansites or forums, he might be called Mr. Friendly, but certainly, no viewers who watch the show would have any idea of that name.  I'm a fairly rabid Lost fan, but had never heard the name until seeing it on wikipedia.Tejastheory 17:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree that "Mr. Friendly" is not well-known. As regular contributer to these pages and a reader of some Lost forums, I had never seen the name until reading it in this article. I suggest "Boat Captain" as more accurate and not speculative. Rillian 19:02, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, "Boat Captain" is more speculative than Mr. Friendly, which is just a descriptive nickname.  Boat Captain presumes that he was captain of the boat, but that's never explicitly stated or even implied. -- MisterHand 20:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine. Call him "Bearded Boat Guy" then. He has a beard and he was on the boat. Rillian 03:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Following the "Be Bold" mantra, I've changed Friendly to "Zeke". (Ok it wasn't that bold) We can always change it once another name within the show is applied to the "bearded guy who seems to speak for the Others". Rillian 21:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good.  BTW, this is as good a time as any to clear up a common misconception about IMDB and TV.com.  Though they look pretty official at times, and are certainly great sources of information, their content is largely user-submitted.  Many people assume imdb is official due to its commodity use in the mainstream public.  It is for this reason that we specifically rejected its use as a source for episode names on the Episodes of Lost articles. --DDG 21:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can anyone confirm or deny that he was referred to as "Mr. Friendly" in the credits of "The Hunting Party"?  Based on what I could find online, it appears that this is how M. C. Gainey's character was referred to in the credits. btm talk 06:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Those people were probably referring to imdb, which up until a week ago listed "Mr. Friendly".  You'll notice that they have now changed it to "Bearded Man". --DDG 20:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mr. Friendly?

message: If we are talking about Danielle's child that is.
From Exodus --
Danielle: Our ship went aground on this island 16 years ago. There were 6 of us - my team, 6. At that time I was already 7 months pregnant. I delivered the infant myself. The baby and I were together for only 1 week when I saw black smoke - a pillar of black smoke 5 kilometers inland. That night they came - they came and took her - Alex. They took my baby. And now, they're coming again. They're coming for all of you. Danflave 17:37, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alex is a Girl