Talk:B. J. Fogg

message: BJ Fogg here.
Someone is posting misleading statements about me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.151.133.191 (talk) 03:04, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article subject complaint and editorial response 

message: Thank you, Dr. Fogg, for clearly and frequently disclosing your "actual" conflict-of-interest in your editing of this page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Actual,_potential_and_apparent_COI).
According to Wikipedia policies: "Editors with a COI... are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly."(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#How_to_disclose_a_COI) "You should generally refrain from creating articles about yourself, or anyone you know, unless through the Articles for Creation process... Requests for updates to an article about yourself or someone with whom you have a personal connection can be made on the article's talk page by following the instructions at WP:COIREQ." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Actual,_potential_and_apparent_COI).
Please refrain from any future edits of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:F7F:F3D0:2DB8:6976:CE2D:3AB4 (talk) 04:23, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  In response to BJ Fogg 

message: There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident concerning this article. The thread is B. J. Fogg.    ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:39, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion 

message: Dkriegls, your conflict of interest in the subject, BJ Fogg, does not allow you to make such sweeping, dramatic changes, especially the removal of carefully documented and researched critiques of Fogg. Your financial association with Live Neuron Labs, and its past associations and continued evangelism of Fogg's work on its website and through its co-founder (your brother), Robin Krieglstein, is cause for an ethical investigation of your biased whitewashing.
Jonathan_A_Jones, your unexplained attempt to repurge Dkriegls' purge is unjustified by WP policies.
:Firstly please note WP:TPO which says "Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning": reverting your deletion of somebody else's edit is absolutely policy compliant. Secondly please note WP:NPA. And thirdly please learn how to perform a few elementary courtesies such as signing your comments. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 06:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting Dkriegls, Jonathan_A_Jones purges  

message: You are incorrectly attributing the Notability issue: the issue is specifically notability for ACADEMICS (WP:ACADEMIC). Being referenced in non-academic publications is insufficient.
:That is not how wp:notability works. Either may apply. Not qualifying for WP:Academic does not exclude a subject from qualifying for general notability. As an unregistered IP, I encourage you to be bold ( WP:BOLD ), but also fully ready our guidelines before trying to implement them. The relevant section from WP: Academic: 
::"This guideline is independent from the other subject-specific notability guidelines, such as WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:AUTH, etc., and is explicitly listed as an alternative to the general notability guideline. It is possible for an academic not to be notable under the provisions of this guideline but to be notable in some other way under the general notability guideline or one of the other subject-specific notability guidelines."
:--Dkriegls (talk to me!) 23:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That argument is completely bogus, and from the material in the criticism section below, which you for some reason removed from the talk page, there is a prima facie case for notability. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 06:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Jonathan A Jones, two weeks with no new objections to removing the notability warning. Would you mind carrying out the edit? Dkriegls (talk to me!) 02:15, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  In response to Dkriegls 

message: I am restoring this section to the talk page. The text was quite properly removed from the article as its previous form is both WP:UNDUE and contrary to WP:CRIT, but this material should be selectively reincorporated into the article in a more appropriate form. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 06:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The double standard is also apparent.  Right wing conservatives (and others who are very confused), have repeatedly injected right-wing criticisms into left-wing academic articles like Nancy MacLean.  But in an article about B. J. Fogg, so-called "left wing" criticisms about people like Fogg, whose models are used by the right wing to change consumer and voter preferences to align with their political goals, such criticism is automatically deleted. Viriditas (talk) 02:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Viriditas, I couldn't find any articles discussing Fogg's politics, but he is openly gay and runs the Peace Innovation lab at Stanford. In this article, Fogg describes feeling alone and afraid as a gay student at conservative BYU. Do you have any citations from authors claiming a Right Wing Bias to his work? Dkriegls (talk to me!) 02:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section 

message: For convenience I copy below the text the of original posting at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/BJ Fogg which led to the crticism section being copied here:
Some of these comments are clearly correct, such as paragraphs referenced to twitter or student journalism. Others are harder to evaluate quickly. But in any case, as suggested by user Morbidthoughts at BLP/N this text should be condensed and integrated into the main article where possible. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 21:01, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The double standard is also apparent.  Right wing conservatives (and others who are very confused), have repeatedly injected right-wing criticisms into left-wing academic articles like Nancy MacLean.  But in an article about B. J. Fogg, so-called "left wing" criticisms about people like Fogg, whose models are used by the right wing to change consumer and voter preferences to align with their political goals, such criticism is automatically deleted. Viriditas (talk) 02:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Viriditas, I couldn't find any articles discussing Fogg's politics, but he is openly gay and runs the Peace Innovation lab at Stanford. In this article, Fogg describes feeling alone and afraid as a gay student at conservative BYU. Do you have any citations from authors claiming a Right Wing Bias to his work? Dkriegls (talk to me!) 02:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion