Talk:Cyclamate

message: I don't get it.  Why was it banned in the US?  How can "causes bladder cancer in rats" be the justification for banning it, if this criterion would also ban the sale of sugar water?  Is there part of the story that's missing?  -confused
: It gets stranger: Interestingly, also in the 1960's, it was shown that high doses of saccharin caused bladder cancer in rats, too.  According to that page, the FDA considered banning saccharin, but never did.  -still confused
::I don't get it either, confused.  Seems political.  As in corruption at the FDA has led to the continuing ban. (The original ban, I hope, was out of an abundance of caution).  But I guess this is mere speculation based on the available evidence.  Don't want to get too far into OR here. A quote from Reason magazine seems to support the general notion:
::When the FDA loses a case, it has a mind like an elephant. It's just something you've got to understand about the FDA. Once the agency makes a collective decision, trying to make it let go is almost impossible. These are 'FDA crusades.' In a real sense, they're vendettas. [...] The FDA decided that cyclamate was dangerous in 1969. Everyone knows it's not dangerous, but they still don't have the political courage to say, 'We made an honest mistake in 1969.' The FDA is institutionally incapable of doing that. -204.42.25.58 19:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  (my previous wordy comments from today deleted). Okay, to summarise, the "Irreversable Testicular Atrophy" (ITA) effect with cyclamates is now generally known about (it wasn't when I originally looked into it) and is now mentioned in lots of places on the web. So I've deleted my earlier "discussion" here as "out-of-date", and have updated the article, instead. ErkDemon 16:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It probably is. Just as Stevia was banned in the US, after an "anonymous complaint" was made to the FDA claiming ill effects that there is zero evidence of. There was quite a bit of talk about US sugar interests protecting their interests by seeing to it artificial sweeteners are held off of the market in the US.Wzrd1 (talk) 00:54, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that after the studies in the mid to late sixties the FDA didn't take a position so Robert Finch of HEW restricted using cyclamate to dietary foods that would required additional labeling. Later in a House Committee of Government Operation the FDA was criticized for not acting, so they responded by over reacting with a total ban in 1970. Finch had left office by that time becoming the Lieutenant Governor of California counselor to the President. BaomoVW (talk) 06:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Wow. Tin-foil hat conspiracy theory on a sugar substitute. WP:FORUM  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.3.17 (talk) 05:52, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Why (still) banned in the United States?

message: There is plenty of text about the suspected carcinogenity but little about the metabolism. There should be information about how much is taken up by the body, is it degraded by the liver etc. Icek 17:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metabolism 

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message: This article is clearly lacking a timeline. It does not specifically mention whether it's currently allowed, or forbidden, in a representative group of countries, and the reasons thereof. --AVM (talk) 00:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The history of Cyclamate is incomplete 

message: I removed items from this list, as it looks like it was intended to be a list of sweeteners based partially or completely around cyclamate, not simply branded products which contain cyclamate (which could be a pointlessly long list). 
(Addition of other products occurred with this edit).
This change was reverted with no explanation. I've explained my reasoning; the reverter didn't, so I'm reinstating it. Ubcule (talk) 22:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyclamate Sweetener Brands 

message: from a hard copy of Chemical Abstract is needed, as there are conflict infos on the internet
http://search.ccinfoweb.ccohs.ca/ccohs/jsp/search/search.jsp?QueryText=68476-78-8&Search.x=45&Search.y=11&Search=Search&MaxDocs=500&ResultStart=1&SortSpec=Score+desc&hTab=7&vTab=1&hideTabs=F&Coll=cid
http://baike.baidu.com/view/208280.htm
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/ProductDetail.do?lang=en&N4=47827|SUPELCO&N5=SEARCH_CONCAT_PNO|BRAND_KEY&F=SPEC
--222.64.20.217 (talk) 22:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A verification of its CAS number.... 

message: "According to the Research Council committee cyclamate only increases the speed of cancer, accelerate the formation of tumours, and speed up tumour progression. In the 1960's cyclamate was banned from the United States because researchers found that "cyclamate/ saccharin mixtures” [4] cause cancer."
What is "the Research Council"?  What is "the Research Council Committee"? The reference ([4]) is a portal to a subscription site, "EBSCO", not Science News.  The writing weirdly ignores the rest of the article.  The grammar is confused.  If no one fixes this paragraph after another week or so, I will delete it. Rt3368 (talk) 06:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this? 

message: This talk page was more informative than the main article page. 73.218.186.141 (talk) 00:20, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you 

message: Article says has cyclamate, but does not list any other ingredients. This is a serious omission in the article.  (PeacePeace (talk) 03:36, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about sodium cyclamate, not Sweet N Low. I'd suggest you take a look at a box of the stuff or search online. - SummerPhDv2.0 06:24, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are the ingredients of Canada Sweet N Low? 

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The result of the move request was: page moved.  Andrewa (talk) 08:10, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sodium cyclamate →  – This article should be moved back to Cyclamate. It is irrelevant what ion it has been combined with, calcium cyclamate is also very common, and Cyclamate is the common name. Our article saccharin is not under "sodium saccharin" although that is the common form used, and drug articles are rarely named "X hydrochloride".
"Cyclamate" is the title used in Britannica , Encyclopedia.com , and this chemical encyclopedia  194.105.229.30 (talk) 17:34, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 15 December 2021 

message: Some of the listed sites have changed the link locations, and the subsequent sources are now broken links.
For example, the `FDA Talk Paper, NAS Report on Cyclamate` cite note #8 is just *gone* and has no backup on any internet archives. I believe the correct or an alternate source is https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/edu.ucsf.industrydocuments.artifacts/r/p/l/c/rplc0024/rplc0024.pdf, which I have saved here: https://web.archive.org/web/20220112041031/https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/edu.ucsf.industrydocuments.artifacts/r/p/l/c/rplc0024/rplc0024.pdf 
We really should be using archived versions of links instead of direct links...
Hyper0sphere (talk) 04:25, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are multiple broken source links. 

message: === Hermesetas ===
Hermesetas does not contain cyclamate and never has, so far as I can determine. It was originally saccharin, and has been a blend of aspartame and  acesulfame since 1988, according to their official site. I am removing "Hermesetas" from this page; if you have verifiable knowledge that the product is formulated with cyclamate in some countries, e.g. UK, AU, please restore it with appropriate conditions specified. --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 20:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brands 

message: Hermesetas does not contain cyclamate and never has, so far as I can determine. It was originally saccharin, and has been a blend of aspartame and  acesulfame since 1988, according to their official site. I am removing "Hermesetas" from this page; if you have verifiable knowledge that the product is formulated with cyclamate in some countries, e.g. UK, AU, please restore it with appropriate conditions specified. --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 20:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hermesetas