Talk:Braille

message: I fail to understand the distinction between digital and analogue writing systems alluded to in the very first sentence of this article.  I would have thought that all character based writing systems were digital.  I will have to see if I can find a copy of 'The World's Writing Systems' in a reference library.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.103.197.174 (talk) 08:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: By 'digital' they mean binary: each character is composed of six bits, which can be 1 or 0, dot or not, black or white, as in any other binary system. — kwami (talk) 06:45, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the meaning of "The second revision, published in 1837, was the first digital (binary) form of writing." is about Decapoint, Louis Braille invented in 1839. This was the first digital (binary) form of writing latin letters ever. This does not belong here and should be corrected. Fakoo (talk) 20:50, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's about 6-dot braille, which was published in 1837. — kwami (talk) 07:24, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digital form of writing? 

message: The older historical terms are grade 1 braille and grade 2 braille.
Over 5 years ago, there was a consensus of braille experts and educators to shift to the terms "uncontracted braille" and "contracted braille". The problem is that some people assumed that grade 1 was for use in grade 1 in school (i.e. the year after kindergraden), and you used grade 2 braille the next year. By extension, someone starting high school would be using grade 9 braille.
Anyone who want to confirm this can google the terms involved, and will see the heavier use of contracted braille in recent years, and the decline of the use of the term grade 2 braille.
I wanted to post this first in the talk section, and then make the change, so that people will understand this is the same concept, newer terminology; and not vandalism
Silver dot (talk) 16:06, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preferred terms: contracted and uncontracted braille 

message: It looks like maybe the W and Y Braille images are reversed?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.247.174.22 (talk) 05:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: W,X,Y all got mixed up. Thanks for catching that. — kwami (talk) 06:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Just vandalism. — kwami (talk) 07:10, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  W and Y reversed? 

message: The first sentence of the Braille page reads "The Braille system is a method that is widely used by people who are visually impaired...", however other parts of the page seem to contradict the "widely used" part.  A further clue that this may not be an accurate statement of fact may be found at this Bank of England FAQ page which answers the question "Has the Bank considered using braille on banknotes to help blind people identify the different denominations?" with "Yes but on the advice of The Royal Institute for the Blind the Bank has not included this because very few blind people now read braille ...".
I would like to see the statement reflect fact; something along the lines of "The Braille system is a method of reading and writing designed for use by the visually impaired. It was the first digital form of writing".
Leboite (talk) 13:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Widely used? 

message: Template:ISO 639 name fr-Brai shows up in the template list during editing. Some sort of transcluded transclusion? Does it need sorting out? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 09:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: From plain code , in section History. If that fr-Brai a correct language code, the template should be created; otherwise the lang-template removed (Unicode kept). -DePiep (talk) 10:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red linked template 

message: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/14/technology-brings-braille-back-apple --Espoo (talk) 07:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  technology is now helping to save braille 

message: what exactly is a decade? 
i think i figured it out.. but i think it should be properly defined. ≈Sensorsweep (talk) 00:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. — kwami (talk) 01:24, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  decade 

message: In the Derivation section of the article, it is nothing but confusing to try to understand a new alphabet with a table that employs colors (black, red, green) but with no explanation of them.
Or at least I can say that the article contains zero instances of the words black, red, green, or color.
To whoever is knowledgeable about Braille (I am not), please either get rid of the colors, or explain clearly why they are there. I think getting rid of them would be best, since the article already contains no explanation of them whatsoever.Daqu (talk) 14:30, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. — kwami (talk) 01:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about an explanation of the colors used in the table (black, red, green) or else getting rid of them? 

message: Is the Braille text actually _Helen _Keller? Where are the second Es of each word? Why don't they match with the translation given @  or the blocks of Braille? Is it a matter of Grade-2 of English Braille or Unified English Braille? Is this official coin wrong? ※ Sobreira ※ Sobreira ◣◥ (parlez) 12:48, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Alabama quarter, reverse side, 2003.jpg]] 

message: Is there any particular reason that this entire paragraph even exists? It doesn't really seem to add anything at all:
A sighted child who is reading at a basic level should be able to understand common words and answer simple questions about the information presented.[10] The child should also have enough fluency to get through the material in a timely manner. Over the course of a child's education, these foundations are built upon in order to teach higher levels of math, science, and comprehension skills.[10] Children who are blind not only have the educational disadvantage of not being able to see, but they also miss out on the very fundamental parts of early and advanced education if not provided with the necessary tools.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1416domination (talk • contribs) 16:46, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Literacy' Section 

message: A paragraph here said that “The next ten, ending in w, are the same again, except that for this series position 6 (purple dot) is used without position 3. These are â ê î ô û ë ï ü ö w”.  Since native French words don't have O with diaeresis; should ö be changed to œ?-✉ Hello World! 14:13, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The French wiktionary have 928 French words with a ö : :fr:wikt:Catégorie:ö en français (mostly names borrowed from German but at Louis Braille there was some native standard French words like « coöpérer » with a « ö »). Cdlt, VIGNERON * discut. 14:16, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

text: ö was indeed an error for œ here; I fixed it. Libhye (talk) 15:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ö? 

message: "64 solutions are possible using one or more dots.[3]" It's literally 63, but maybe the cited source is still more informative?2607:FCC8:620C:A000:4422:9DDB:7D2:C445 (talk) 16:03, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  63 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: "Braille literacy is a social-justice issue" in the intro needs to be clarified and cited. It appears that a good attempt was made in the Literacy section, but this sentence needs more of a direct tie in and citation, in order to not appear like original research. This is a topic I know little about, however, so can't address it directly. Trumblej1986 (talk) 16:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro ATW tag 

message: Can someone better explain if the derivation section is talking about Braille's original system, or the modern system? And can the charts be better explained; what does "shift down" and "shift right" refer to? Trumblej1986 (talk) 17:10, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derivation subsection needs explanation 

message: An informal RFC has opened at talk: Symbols for zero#Braille zero that somebody familiar with Braille may be able to advise upon. Thank you. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Braille zero 

message: :: Braille characters are formed using a combination of six raised dots arranged in a 3 × 2 matrix, called the braille cell.
:: A full braille cell includes six raised dots arranged in two columns, each column having three dots
:: Within an individual cell, the dot positions are arranged in two columns of three positions. 
I would describe this as 2 × 3: width × height, columns × rows, x-axis followed by y-axis. As it is in the 2nd and 3rd quotes above, from elsewhere in the article. ◃Amniarix▹ (talk) 15:56, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't. Given that the top 2 rows are a repeating pattern across bottom row configurations and that shifting them down to the bottom 2 rows with the top row dotless is a variant of that same pattern, I would treat rows as more relevant than columns. The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 04:56, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't either, as matrix is a mathematical structure, whose order is defined by convention as rows by columns. Kubis (talk) 03:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Six raised dots arranged in a 3 × 2 matrix 

message: Physiologically, only 29 sounds-signs of speech-thinking-worldview can be pronounced by optimal articulation. And one voiceless slit consonant sound-sign of speech-thinking-worldview "soundlessness-intuition-meaning-reason" does not have its own sound. It would be advisable at least for blind people to use the same relief-dot code for all languages to display individual letters for each sound-sign of speech-thinking, punctuation marks, and for each number and operations with numbers. To develop this code, a basis in the form of a matrix of 6 columns and 5 rows is suitable.
A 6-point pattern of a standard embossed dot font gives 64 characters, including a blank character. If you give 30 characters to letters, then there are still 34 characters for numbers and other symbols. Enough for the main purposes in the letter.
A version of such a new letter code for blind people has already been developed: 
Makeev A. K. General classification of consonants and vowel sounds-signs of speech-thinking / A. K. Makeev // Kulturologiya, art history and philology: modern views and scientific research: sb. st. on the materials of the XXXIV International Scientific and Practical Conference "Culturology, Art History and Philology: Modern Views and Scientific Research". – № 3(30). – M., Izd. "Internauka", 2020. - 108 pp. pp. 65–75.
Alex makeyev (talk) 08:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single code for all languages 

message: You don't say "I have three softwares on my computer" any more than you say "I listened to five musics this morning".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2788:1008:6D6:E2CB:4EFF:FE88:1A2D (talk) 00:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you be more specific? I couldn't find any use of "softwares" in the article. The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 04:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Software is not a countable noun 

message: Per user request, I plan to record a spoken version of the article soon (intro/lede only).  Any feedback is welcomed. 0101Abc (talk) 01:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: After reading the intro a few times, I have some significant edits.  I realize that a lot of work went into the intro, but I see room for improvement in paragraphs 3 and 4.  Any feedback is welcomed. 0101Abc (talk) 02:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you be more specific? (At a glance, other than some redundancy in paragraph 3, nothing jumps out to me.) The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 20:25, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

text: I am considering recording this article, but would like some guidance on how best to describe the braille code itself in the charting sections.  Is there a preferred nomenclature for this? Nick Marinovich (talk) 16:05, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoken article 

message: The article says Braille is a non-linear writing system. But is it really? It's written in lines from left-to-right. Can anyone please clarify this? Thanks <3  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hexadecimal99 (talk • contribs) 02:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it means that Braille is not written with strokes of a pen (or similar device). —Tamfang (talk) 23:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-linearity