Talk:Immigration to Mexico

message: The majority of the data and statistics are from 2000 almost 11 years have passed and those numbers must have changed significantly, the new census of INEGI (Mexican resource date for population) was performed last year 2010 and it will be available to the public on March 2011. For example about 1200 Russian citizens were living legally in Mexico in 2000 and now in 2010 (according to Russia Today in Spanish) it is rumored that number has increased to between 10 000 and 12 000. Similar changes and some even more dramatic could also apply to other nationalities in the 2010 census data results, the number of Central and South Americans must have increased in a considerable way —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.138.9.30 (talk) 00:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Data Update Needed

message: I haven't read the entire article yet, but the title itself is solecistic: It should be either "Emigration to Mexico" or "Immigration in Mexico". One does not "immigrate" to Mexico, one "emigrates" to Mexico. When one arrives in Mexico, one is an immigrant (and one remains an immigrant even after becoming a naturalized citizen). I can't edit the title of the article, but I did edit the boldfaced head in the summary. I also edited the first sentence of the summary which was very badly written, but did not change the content. Autodidact1 (talk) 11:44, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: VERY VAGUE and imprecise.  It does not make a clear case linking the title of the page and its substance.  Perhaps because of the problem stated above.  Also, the claim "Mexico did not receive as many immigrants as did US, Canada..." needs a citation and some quantitative figures to back this claim up. --Cesruiz1 07:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction

message: This article should have the same information as this article  to provide consistent information within the Wikis. M P M 19:29, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Consistency

message: If somebody is going to add an "important people" from some country, please add people who has contributed to Mexico or to the world in something. Adding an actor/actress of dubious talent and transient fame, just because he/she was born in such country, is not good.Tesi1700 (talk) 18:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Important People from so and so country

message: "Mexico has extremely strict immigration law for both legal and illegal immigrants."
"Certain legal rights are waived in the case of foreigners, such as the right to a deportation hearing or other legal motions." 
Needs sources. Everything else has a source so should this. 
"In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may make a citzen's arrest on the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities." 
I read the Constituion from which you are getting your information and this applies to Mexican citizens. The Mexican Courts are the ones that should interpret who else this applies to.
Try to cover the topic Immigration to Mexico, as in the actual immigrants in Mexico, instead of inserting random lines from the Mexican Constitution. By the way, if you do not agree with something/don't like the way somebody words something it is not vandalism. M P M 02:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes

message: "In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may make a citizen's arrest on the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities."
I removed it because it was ambiguous as to who it applies to. The Mexican Constitution never states anyone explicitly. Yes, the law is harsh but who does it apply to? Someone either has to one) clarify who it applies to (illegals/tourists/immigrants/citizens? who? if it applies to all then state it but provide a source) or 2) provide a source stating it applies only to foreigners and not Mexican citizens. If there is a problem with this bring it up in talk don't reinsert it. I already stated why I removed it. 
From what I have read, there are plenty of sources online stating that Mexico has a strict policy on illegals, well at least on the ones from Central America, but I haven't found anything on legal immigration. I don't think anyone can make an assumption with Mexico has extremely strict immigration law for both legal and illegal immigrants. We need to base this on facts. It sort of contradicts the presence of legal foreigners especially the 1,000,000+ Americans. If legal immigration policy was that strict wouldn't Mexico be more like Japan?
Also, I added a brief intro on immigration to Mexico and included a list, though not exhaustive, of immigrant groups. I also added the names of two individuals, for each immigrant group, who are either immigrants themselves or descendants of immigrants. I added the section Immigrant Policies which includes most of the stuff from the previous version. I'll work on these sections some more but feel free to continue expanding it if you are more knowledgable in the area.
This doesn't make any sense The Mexican constitution restricts non-citizens or foreign born persons [4], Certain legal rights are waived in the case of foreigners, such as the right to a deportation hearing or other legal motions.
Is it suppose to be one sentence or did something get cut-off in the first part? I left it as is. M P M 08:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New changes

message: The act of committing a crime. When a person is arrested flagrante delicto - while committing a crime - the only evidence required to convict him is to prove that fact.
Why do you keep removing article 16 from my edits?  How would you feel if at the next illegal immigrant march anyone that claimed to be in this country illegally was detained by any legal citzen, arrested, and deported without trial?
FLAGRANTE DELICTO does not have to specify which law because it applies to all law.
: I removed because it might exclude immigrants and we don't know whether that is the case or not. Weren't blacks excluded from some of the basic freedoms of the Constitution (i.e. the right to vote)? For certain articles, it might be the same case for foreigners. There is more than one way to interpret the law. I don't think illegal immigrants are given a trial in the U.S. Well, the news hasn't mentioned any with all those recent round-ups and deportations. M P M 08:40, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is dangerous to quote laws and assume that they are enforced as written. The U.S. Constitution says that the right of citizens to bear arms shall not be infringed, but in practice those citizens are not permitted to own machine guns or nuclear bombs. Many nations have elements in their constitutions which are not enforced. The custom of citizen's arrest is part of common law, but I doubt it is used widely in any country. Though not mentioned in the constitution, U.S. citizens may arrest lawbreakers, but so what? How many U.S.-related crime articles should mention that? My guess is roughly one article. In all, unless the Mexican Constitution mentions "flagrante delicto" in reference to immigration, or unless we have a source which connects it to immigration, then I don't see why it should be in this article. There are plenty of real issues to cover. -Will Beback 08:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FLAGRANTE DELICTO

message: I am leaving all the information as is. The paragraph below deals with immigration policy itself so I moved it to its own section without removing any information. That shouldn't bother anyone at all. I am only organizing and improving the page.
"Mexico has extremely strict immigration law for both legal and illegal immigrants. Certain legal rights are waived in the case of foreigners, such as the right to a deportation hearing or other legal motions. In cases of flagrante delicto, such as a person declaring they entered the country illegally, any citzen may make a citzen's arrest on the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities. Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters. . Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. Foreigners can serve in the military only during wartime ."
I put it under the subsection Immigration Policy because this whole paragraph, well most of it, reflects that. This article only needs a brief intro at the top describing Immigration to Mexico not not an entire paragraph about Immigration Policy.
My previous edit was meant to improve and organize the entire page in a neat and concise manner. I am only trying to provide clear and organized information to the readers. Articles like Immigration_to_the_United_States or Immigration in Brazil both have brief intros about immigration/waves of immigration and sections about immigrant groups, statistics, policies, etc. So there shouldn't be a problem regarding the organization of this page.
M P M 08:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Immigration Policy Section

message: Why does this article morph from immigration to languages about half way down? I recently updated "Italians" but note most of what follows that section is about languages and not immigration. Mariokempes 23:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages? 

message: Mexico's restrictive policies on immigration, running for office if you're from an immigrant family, etc. should be added; they are quite interesting, especially when contrasted with what they demand of other nations.  A2Kafir (talk) 22:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexican immigration and citizenship policies should be added 

message: I don't understand why this section makes no mention of immigrants from Central America.  Data on immigration to Mexico produced by the Mexican govermnemt shows that the vast majority of immigrants to Mexico are from neighboring Central American countries, especially Guatemala and El Salvador.  It is not made up of mainly white European people.  Also, the author of this section does not show that the vast majority of the American-born population (at about 99%, from my research not on Wikipedia) are the American-born children of Mexican parents.  This section seems to take a pro-European/White stance favoring only discussing European and other White immigration rather the the actual facts.
Saopabs83 (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Central America and USA 

message: I feel compelled to remove a very dubious claim in this article under the section on Irish immigrants to Mexico. Concerning the "Irish Confederate Army of Fort Yuma.'  Fort Yuma was never under Confederate control, with the most westwardly presence of Confederates being a small scouting party some 100 miles east of Yuma, AZ.  Interestingly, there are numerous mentionings of the "Irish confederate Army of Fort Yuma" on the internet but every one is a reference, most exact citations of this Wikipedia article. Edinyuma (talk) 05:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish 

message: Entire sections, including sources and links to related articles, have been deleted. While I support the use of sources for all content, this edit severely unbalanced the article. Unsourced material may be deleted, but it should be done with care rather than with a machete. Relevant links should be retained, at the very least in a "See also" section. Sections that are significant, but unsourced, should at least be replaced with short, non-controverisal summaries. And if the material is extensive and appears to have been obtained from sources (rather than just an essay) then we should make some effort to find sources instead of just deleting the material.   Will Beback  talk   16:07, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleting the entire section on Spanish immigration to Mexico leaves a gaping hole in the article. It's better to have some non-controversial and unsourced statements than to imply, for example, that Russian immigration is more significant than Spanish immigration. Also, you deleted many relevant links, for which sources were not an issue. Finally, you deleted at least one source: . Please restore the sections you deleted, restore the source you deleted, and restore the relevant links, such as Irish Mexican.   Will Beback  talk   16:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Will, I will allow you to re-submit material that is sourced. Links do not belong in the text, rather "sources".  I imply nothing, rather rely on facts.  "It's better to have some non-controversial and unsourced statements" citation needed, I doubt WP would agree with you here.  "which sources were not an issue", sources are the primary issue in WP.  Also, the source(18 Chosun Ilbo) you claim I deleted is still in the current page, did you mean a different source?  Darkstar1st (talk)
Did we look for any sources before deleting the material?   Will Beback  talk   05:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Yes Will, perhaps better than you looked when you claimed I deleted source #18 Chosun Ilbo? Darkstar1st (talk) 06:19, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be upset. I apologize for implying you've done wring. I just think we can do better by this article. Have we checked the linked articles for sources? Often, editors will copy info from one article to another without copyung the references too.   Will Beback  talk   07:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was upset when the A-team was cancelled from network tv in 1986, this I enjoy, and yes Will I did check, see above. Darkstar1st (talk) 07:27, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you can do better, but I created this article in 2006 after the LA prop 287 riots and will yield to your edits, should they have sources.  And now a WP tip for you, turn on your spell checker(I use Chrome), or don't drink and WP.  Darkstar1st (talk) 07:32, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the alcohol; it's the smack that makes it hard to spell. That, or the two-inch keyboard on this handheld.   Will Beback  talk   07:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well said Will, I always enjoy our convos.  As the talk page has mentioned, the article may be tilted toward a specific point of view.  I am here to correct this article, with your help. Darkstar1st (talk) 08:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Part of what got deleted was the intro. Can you write a new one?   Will Beback  talk   23:11, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Big deletion

message: *"In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities."
This doesn't appear to be an immigration law. Rather it's just how their legal system works. This article should remain focused on immigration, and avoid details of their courts, prisons, etc work, unless we have sources that discuss them in the context of immigration. Do we have any source like that?    Will Beback  talk   22:47, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for pointing that out.  The original article did not contain this poor worded section title, I will change to reflect the title in other immigration pages Darkstar1st (talk) 21:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't talking about the section name, so I don't know what you're referring to.   Will Beback  talk   21:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "This doesn't appear to be an immigration law.", the section was poorly titled "immigration law", i changed it to reflect other WP pages about immigration.  Darkstar1st (talk) 23:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Flagrante delicto, again

message: There are 17,000 to 30,000 French nationals in Mexico http://www.ambafrance-mx.org/Presencia-francesa,6167  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SFV210 (talk • contribs) 20:14, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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