Talk:Matt Hughes (fighter)

message: I see that there is a reference to the Hughes Twins being Identical - I believe they are Fraternal twins.
Can anyone cite reliable references to either?
I cannot find the interview where I believe Matt Hughes corrected the assumption that they are identical.
:They are identical twins, not fraternal.Rosarionathan 15:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matt and Mark Hughes  

message: I put the hold Hughes used down as a kimura - I think this is right but I'm not a BJJ expert and am not 100% sure. If someone knows better please change it. --Mule Man
:It was a straight armbar, (), I'll change it. --- Trench 01:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: he actually used a kimura and transitioned to a straight arm bar Creamytitties (talk) 21:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gracie fight 

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message: When did matt hughes start wrestling? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.198.219.143 (talk • contribs) .
Highschool TeflonBoy 10:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: When did matt hughes start wrestling?

message: You say he was twice an all-american, but you don't say where....  Msjayhawk (talk) 01:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: College Wrestling

message: I believe the dana white claim which has been tagged 'citation needed' came on air during UFN3, although dana has probably said something like that many times. not only is it unlikely we will be able to find a URL citing this, it is simply not clear to me that white's opinion of hughes is objective or germane to the article.
Burgher 08:10, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dana white comment 

message: according to this: http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=4 he's at 41 wins. Renegade78 01:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to his personal home page and Sherdog he is at 39 wins.  UFC likes to inflate the records of their fighters from my experience as fighter's Sherdog records are almost always different than their UFC profile states (remeber when the UFC announced Royce Gracie as undefeated?  Yeah right...).  I've made a note next to the win stating this, I think this is what we should use. VegaDark 01:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matt Hughes MMA Record 

message: Can this be verified?
:Oh it could, but I'll be damned if I'm volunteering to find out :), regardless the vandalism has already been reverted. --- Trench 01:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firm but hairy buttocks? 

message: If something is erroneously reported in the recent fights section then it must be corrected, or any section for that matter. But I dont believe any articles written, which report the truth, in a more interesting matter should be replaced by something more simplified which states the same thing. In short, why would anyone delete and replace my article if it said everything that someone obviously copied and pasted. It took time to write and if it had any errors only those should have been corrected, but it didnt, instead someone chose to replace it with their own.
I removed things because there was a TON of poorly worded, overly wordy, repeating...  it's completely unnecessary to have 2 paragraphs practicely side-by-side stating the exact same thing, plus, as i said, there was so much stuff poorly worded, it looked sloopy... if anything of yours was removed that you dont think should have been, sorry, but also realize simple doesn't mean poor, and honestly i didn't see much interestingly written --- Thesaddestday
Poorly worded? Forget the choice of diction because the goal of wikipedia is not to confuse it's readers with pseudo-intellectual jargin. Recognize your audience. I was referring to context, if you said that Matt Hughes won against BJ Penn without referring to the fact that Hughes was dominated the first two rounds, then you would not be giving enough information. He did not "win" the first two rounds. If you know UFC or MMA then you would understand why it is so important to say that BJ Penn held off Hughes' attempt to take him down and that Penn was the better striker. It helps the audience understand that Matt Hughes is a highly criticized fighter for a reason. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant because Hughes IS criticized and that could help readers understand why. The fact that he attempted, but failed, to take BJ Penn down is important in understanding why other FIGHTERS (not just fans) say that Hughes has only one tactic, to take his opponent down and overpower him. Not giving this information is like not mentioning the FAMOUS Hughes SLAM or the CROCOP knockout of SILVA. I will not mess with your editing job but I think that is robbing the readers of something they should know, because a lot of people who first begin to get into MMA come and look up famous fighters I know I used to look up Gracie and Shamrock to see what they were all about. At the very least copy and past something from Sherdog.com they gave a three paragraph play by play of the fight (one paragraph each round).- MMA Fighter and Fan
That is not what I meant by poorly worded...  I think what happened in the fight is relevant, someone else removed that...  personally I made major changes because it looked like someone who failed English class wrote it...  sorry I'm not trying to be mean, but it was written very poorly...  I agree, information should be plenty to truly represent the topic of the article, but it has to be written somewhat intelligently and not accepted as a first draft...  proof-reading would have gone a long way, but in my opinion cutting it down to the facts in a simple form was best...  feel free to include anything over the first 2 rounds, I agree it is relevenat info, just don't overdo it with poorly placed or unnecessary words --Thesaddestday 03:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about anybody else, but I added the recently revealed information that Penn separated his ribs during round 2, which is highly relevant to understanding the dynamic of the match, and how he was completely different in round 3 after having won the first two rounds (as acknowledged by Hughes). But, apparently whoever has the most patience gets to write whatever he wants on wikipedia.
I agree that Penn's injury is relevant --Thesaddestday 02:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BJ Penn VS. Hughes 2 

message: ::So you just edit out what people say if you don't like it?? Works both ways...--Donnie from the mean streets of Boston, KY 16:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: HUGHES ESCAPED THE ARMBAR/TRIANGLE THE END OF THE ROUND DIDN'T SAVE HIM

message: The only opponent he hasn't defeated is Dennis Hallman, who defeated him twice (most recently in 2000) by submission in the first round. """
This is incorrect. Look at his record, which is posted RIGHT BELOW SAID FACT. He has lost to Pele, Jose Landi-Jons as well....--Donnie from the mean streets of Boston, KY 03:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: good catch, i overlooked this post Thesaddestday 05:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not gonna add because my stuff usually gets deleted for whatever reason, but don't you think it would be cool to add in the trivia section the incident where Matt jumped on Tito Ortiz's back in order to protect him from Lee Murray after Murray knocked Tito down and soccer kicked him outside a nightclub in England? And yes, that was the biggest run-on sentence in the history of mankind...
No hyperbowl --Donnie from the mean streets of Boston, KY 15:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: If you can provide a reliable source that sounds like some interesting info to have. VegaDark 18:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect Trivia

message: The article says that St. Pierre accidentally landed 2 groin strikes in their latest fight, I think that there is still some controversy about whether those actually connected or not, maybe the wording should be changed a bit? N1000 19:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged Groin Strikes

message: Hughes has been given the nickname of (I kid you not) "Country Breakfast" by MMA fans and I can't think of a good way to put it in.  Can someone put it in the page in the proper manner?
:It doesn't belong anywhere in the article unless you have a reliable source for that being his nickname. VegaDark 18:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He is not refered to by that name in the ring. I keep up with UFC and saw him loose the title to 	Georges St. Pierre on ppv. In other words I have seen many of his matches and never heard that. You do really have to have a reliable souce for that one.—Shella * 23:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly.  It's a nickname that a few MMA forum posters gave him that makes fun of the ludicrous breakfast he has in front of him during his Xyience commercial, saying "Don't have time for a country breakfast?". While funny, it has no place in his Wikipedia article unless a reliable source reports that people have given him this nickname. VegaDark 00:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a minor footnote and a name that "keyboard warriors" have given to Matt as a form of ridicule.  I could see it getting maybe a couple sentences in the novel of his life, but it is really irrelevant here. -- Rosarionathan 20:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname 

message: I deleted the reference to Matt's "aggressive and confrontational personality" being on display during season 2 of The Ultimate Fighter. It is opinion not fact and does not represent a neutral point of view.  A more correct statement would be, "Hughes was portrayed as the 'bad coach' for the season; but he has personally stated that it was a result of editing rather than an accurate portrayal of the facts."  My source is from a transcript of an interview Matt did on SpikeTV.com, we no longer link to this page on Matt's website, but it is still an accurate transcript of what he said. http://www.matt-hughes.com/tuf2.html --Rosarionathan 19:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TUF2 write up 

message: "Xyience" references:  There are two references to "Xyience" in this article that may be jokes, or vandalism, or may simply require clarification.  The first is in reference to the second fight with BJ Penn: "In September 2006, Hughes defended his title against B.J. Penn, stopping him in the third round. This win was somewhat cast into doubt however, after Hughes tested positive for Xyience during a post-fight drug test."  The second reference concerns Hughes' "outburst" about the virtues of American vs. Canadian bacon: "Hughes began shouting "No American Bacon, No Matt Hughes!" over and over again. It is spculated that he made have been having an episode of "Xyience Rage", not uncommen in the sport of MMA."
The Wikipedia stub on Xyience just says it's an epedra (sp?)-free energy drink.  The Xyience website contains products which look (in my admittedly unprofessional opinion) like common non-steroid body-building and sports performance supplements.
Am I wrong to suspect that these references are tongue-in-cheek, or maybe even just advertising?  While I'm sure we all agree with Mr. Hughes that Canadian bacon is not real bacon, and that delicious, crispy, God-fearing American bacon is the only TRUE bacon, and that Mullet haircuts are cool... am I being kidded here? 60.238.72.208 05:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a vandalised version of the page that I reverted a day ago. VegaDark 09:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Xyience

message: Are we sure he went to Lincoln Land Community College instead of Lincoln College in Lincoln, Illinois?  I noticed that it was changed, but does anyone have definitive evidence one way or another?  Both colleges exist, but I wasn't under the impression that Matt went to Lincoln Land, although it is closer to Hillsboro.  Capmaster 06:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also noticed it was changed.  We should try and find a citation for it one way or another. VegaDark 06:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: College

message: We have 3 different sources that each say he has a different fight record.  On one part of his personal web page says his record is 42-5 at , and on the section of his webpage that actually lists his fights () it only accounts for a record of 40-5.  Sherdog agrees with a 40-5 record, and his UFC profile says his record is 41-5.  I think we should go with the Sherdog record because of the following reasons: 1) It is a conflict of interest to take his record from his own webpage or even the UFC profile. While I'm not going to say these are unreliable sources, I don't think we should use them when more neutral sources are available, such as Sherdog.  UFC records are occasionally trumped up to make the fighter look better than they are (they announced Royce Gracie as being undefeated when he went against Matt Hughes, which was patently untrue). Sherdog is neutral and lists his entire fight history so there is no room to ask how they came up with that record, like the UFC profile. 2) His website only accounts for 40 of the wins on the fight record.  How can he claim 42 wins when the very record he provides doesn't include these extra two wins?  Sherdog is our best bet here.  I won't revert again, but I will bring it up at the MMA wikiproject to determine consensus there if it is changed again, and I suspect consensus will agree we should use Sherdog unless someone can find the results of these other two supposed fights from a reliable source. VegaDark 21:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I absolutely agree. If those two fights cannot be documented, they should not be included in the count. Debolaz 11:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I run Matt's webpage and he's told me that there are two of his fights that are not listed on his Sherdog profile.  But it's been several months and he still hasn't given me the "wheres" and "whens" of those two fights.  I'll just have to remind him about again at some point. Rosarionathan 14:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case I suggest that when he gives you the details, you add them to his webpage and also submit them to Sherdog so his fight finder matches his web page, and we will have no problems about adding them. VegaDark 21:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fight record

message: I went through and changed some style/tone, fixed a little grammar, removed the Trivia section, and updated the Hughes/Serra/St. Pierre sitch.DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC (talk) 10:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  November 26 update 

message: I moved the TUF section to the end - or we could add in in chrono order- but I don;t think 3 entries would read very well, I also moved some of the fight details into the correct order. David.snipes (talk) 01:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  7/14/09 

message: As I know, Hughes isn't southpaw, but sometimes (if he wants to "shoot", grab the legs), he fights is southpaw stance. Can anyone confirm?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Furasrac (talk • contribs) 22:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southpaw stance? 

message: I don't see a reference next to the statement that Matt Hughes has a Brown Belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Which instructor/school/dojo gave him the brown belt and when? Skeeter08865 (talk) 18:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Brown Belt in BJJ?

message: Matt Hughes Highschool Wrestling Record was 135-2 it was on a poster he signed for my highschool wrestling team  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wreslter124 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matt Hughes Highschool Wrestling Record  

message: I've noticed some people changing his choke from Front Headlock to Anaconda back and forth.  I'd like to try and quell all that.  Although the Anaconda choke is essentially an "arm-in shoulder choke" from the front headlock position, Matt Hughes himself as well as other MMA media sites have been calling it the "Dave Schultz Front Headlock Choke".  Sherdog, however, lists the win as an Anaconda Choke.  Maybe someone more experienced in grappling than myself can explain the differences between the two, because they look extremely similar.  Apparently Hughes claims it's "an old wrestling choke" he learned.  So does that mean the BJJ equivalent is called the Anaconda?  I just think we should discuss this before any more little edit wars continue.
Here's some links for you to peruse to help make up your mind.
Hughes's Sherdog Record calls it an "Anaconda choke"
Matt Hughes himself demonstrating the Dave Schultz Front Headlock Choke
The actual gif from UFC 117
USA Today calls it a "Front choke"
Fightline calls it a "front headlock choke"
MMA Junkie calls it a "Modified arm-triangle choke"
My conclusion:  They look so similar that I think what we have here is two names for the same move.  One has wrestling roots, one perhaps BJJ roots.  I vote for going with what Hughes says it is, based on the fact that he's the one who performed the submission.  I am willing to entertain arguments to the contrary, but let's not result to edit warring to fix this issue.  I say let's talk this out first.  Dachknanddarice (T‖C)  20:35, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  UFC 117 submission edit war 

message: I've just spent a few minutes correcting some changes that were made regarding the amount of "Bonuses" Hughes has earned in his (UFC) career. He was listed as having won Fight of the Night (honors) and Submission of the Night (honors) 5 times each by a previous person when he has infact only won either Bonus one time. It's a simple matter of looking back to when the UFC started offering bonuses and seeing that most of the changes made were previous to this date, IE, they werent offering bonuses of any kind at that point. Matt Hughes is a great fighter, my all-time favorite infact, but there is no reason to try to falsly inflate the record of someone so accomplished, let those accomplishments speak for themselves.
Hughes has, by the disclosed bonuses (announced during post fight conferences by Dana White), won Fight of the Night one time at UFC 98 against Matt Serra and has won Submission of the Night one time at UFC 117 against Ricardo Almeida. No other bonuses have been previously earned by Hughes in any UFC event.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.141.30 (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: His official website says that he has won 4 Tapout of the Night, and it shares the pictures of that prize.
LlamaAl (talk) 17:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
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