Talk:Boot camp (correctional)

message: i just did a booboo, i'm sorry. somebody please revert this article to the last version. i had no intention changing it to the very first version i wrote last year. i only wanted to look it up and add my name, which i hadn't done, because i wasn't enlisted. sorry, sorry.Sundar1 20:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So done. For future reference, you can self-revert by viewing the article history, then clicking the "last" link in the line of your edit, and finally the "undo" link on the top of the right-hand column of the edit diff page. –Henning Makholm 23:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: oops!

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page. The reason for the parenthetical on this article does not seem to be references to the software, but references to recruit training. Dekimasuよ! 09:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose leave the dab where it is, or move the military training camp to boot camp, becauee Boot camp originally refers to military recruit training. AND the correction usage comes from it, not the other way around. Plus Apple's software is not from the correctional usage. 132.205.44.5 22:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you seriously claiming that "boot camp" came first for correctional programs, and only later was borrowed to stand for military recruit training? –Henning Makholm 23:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. I think the correctional one borrowed the phrase as well. I am for redirecting boot camp to recruit training. -Henry W. Schmitt 05:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
* Most people looking up BOOT CAMP are looking for the _military_ usage IMHO. 132.205.44.5 22:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This proposal might have merits. However, are "shock incarceration" programs modeled after military recruit training? –Henning Makholm 23:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
It's not really a "boot camp," because a "boot camp" ends with a graduation that makes you a member of the military, is voluntary, and run by people who actually know what they're doing, as opposed to these so-called "correctional boot camps," which seem to be run by people who have seen "Full Metal Jacket" too many times but never actually served.  Don't the claims of sexual abuse and the number of dead teenagers deserve something more than passing reference?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.144.20.179 (talk) 21:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Absolutely. That's why the neutrality of this article is disputed. Remember to sign your posts. --Pwnage8 (talk) 23:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose leave the dab where it is, or move the military training camp to boot camp, becauee Boot camp originally refers to military recruit training. AND the correction usage comes from it, not the other way around. Plus Apple's software is not from the correctional usage. 132.205.44.5 22:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you seriously claiming that "boot camp" came first for correctional programs, and only later was borrowed to stand for military recruit training? –Henning Makholm 23:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. I think the correctional one borrowed the phrase as well. I am for redirecting boot camp to recruit training. -Henry W. Schmitt 05:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
* Most people looking up BOOT CAMP are looking for the _military_ usage IMHO. 132.205.44.5 22:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This proposal might have merits. However, are "shock incarceration" programs modeled after military recruit training? –Henning Makholm 23:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
It's not really a "boot camp," because a "boot camp" ends with a graduation that makes you a member of the military, is voluntary, and run by people who actually know what they're doing, as opposed to these so-called "correctional boot camps," which seem to be run by people who have seen "Full Metal Jacket" too many times but never actually served.  Don't the claims of sexual abuse and the number of dead teenagers deserve something more than passing reference?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.144.20.179 (talk) 21:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Absolutely. That's why the neutrality of this article is disputed. Remember to sign your posts. --Pwnage8 (talk) 23:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: "According to a report in the New York Times there have been 30 known deaths of youths in US boot camps since 1980."
I can't believe this is the last sentence in the article, and the only mention of the possibility/phenomenon. 30 people have died in this sort of institution. I'm not trying to advance an agenda here, but allow me to suggest that just maybe in the interest of impartiality we might want to have a little more discussion than this? —INTRIGUEBLUE (talk|contribs) 06:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaths 

message: After examining this article, I see that it is biased towards boot camps.  For instance, the recent trends section reads like an advertisement, and it doesn't cover the perspective of the kids who get sent to these facilities and how they feel about it, thereby giving undue weight to the issue.  It also completely omits any mention of the physical force that was used on Martin Lee Anderson, again showing the bias.  The criticism section is tagged for OR and unverified claims, so as to discredit what is written there (because the other sections also contain those things), and like the guy above me said, it's not presenting all sides of the issue fairly. --Pwnage8 (talk) 11:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Why is the treatment at boot camps not considered "cruel and unusual punishment"? Because it's cruel but not unusual?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.48.147 (talk) 11:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  8th amendment? 

message: In one recent case, a boot camp in Florida (Victory Forge Military Academy) has come under intense scrutiny since its methods bordered on physical abuse. Their defense was that the parents had signed a contract stating it was okay to shackle and beat up their kids.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echosmoke (talk • contribs) 01:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the database monitoring possible institutionalized child abuse even racial comments and shackles did go. Southeastern Military Academy as they call themselves did go by the so-called guidelines. Here is the source from the local newspaper: Military academy findings at odds (By Ana X. Ceron, The Palm Beach Post, June 13, 2008)OscarPetterson (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: please give a source

message: The trouble with this article is that it does not adequately distinguish between military boot camps and juvenile boot camps for troubled teens. The confrontational style juvenile boot camp has a bad name and probably deservedly so. Military boarding schools on the other hand might not have the same stigma attached because of the traditional use of the confrontation model in a military boot camp. Juvenile Bootcamps for Troubled Teens go by many names. Wilderness or juvenile boot camps describe only one aspect of a type of parent choice program known by different names. Adventure therapy is the generic term which describes some of the activities of Wilderness therapy, Adventure education,  some forms of Outdoor education or even some aspects of  therapeutic boarding schools. Boot camp (correctional) has come to be associated with the failures of the confrontation model used in the juvenile boot camp type of intervention while adventure therapy is less controversial.I ♥ ♪♫ (talk) 00:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
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