Talk:ChibiChibi

message: According to Google, "Chibi Chibi" gets more than twice the hits of "Chibichibi."   Should we change the way refer to her? Should we perhaps compromise with ChibiChibi? --Masamage 23:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it handled in the manga?  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Japanese never  has any spaces between words, so it's hard to say. :] --Masamage 02:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The English manga uses "Chibi Chibi".  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 16:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree to your compromise.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, I really like the Sailor Chibi Chibi (Moon) idea.. Becuse later manga prints changed her name to Match the anime it makes more sense... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 
Okay, since no one has protested, I will put in a renaming request to have this article moved to ChibiChibi (which is currently a redirect). That request will link back to here, so if you disagree, now is the time to speak up. The admin switching things around will see your post and take it into account. --Masamage 00:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Wait, it looks like this doesn't need to be officially requested, since the other page has no edit history. My request for objections has been up long enough that I feel comfortable with going ahead and moving the article. It also works the other way, so if you do disagree, you're still welcome to speak up. --Masamage 00:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: The manga image of Chibichibi should be her domestic form and the one up right now is kind of shotty. Objections to switching it out with a better image? --Hitsuji Kinno 06:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objections.  All I did was take a .gif and convert it to .png then uploaded it again.  I prefer the manga images.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good! --Masamage 18:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I took this image and cut her out of it and came up with this.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Very nicely done, but Hitsuji's suggestion seems to be that we need a civilian image. --Masamage 01:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Td-da!!  Some cropping will need to be done.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That one unnerves me by being so sexy (she's 2!), but I can't find anything better in the picture collections. The one in the red rabbit coat is adorable, but it may be too unorthodox to be a good representation. And in the Materials Collection she just looks grumpy. --Masamage 02:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another possibility: maybe we should try using a manga lead image with an anime civilian image. --Masamage 02:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: After more than a week of no response from those who were uncertain about this, I'm sort of assuming an "either way" position. So to avoid being stuck in limbo, let's give it some more time, say until Thursday, February 8th (an even two weeks for response), and then because there have been positive responses I will feel okay about going ahead with the merge I've demonstrated here. Further discussion would be awesome too, but don't get caught up in my exact execution--it's open for everyone to edit. --Masamage 23:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited in the bit that I wanted said.. but perhaps we need a Venn diagram to keep track.. :P  - Malkinann 23:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Saw that. :) To keep track of which? --Masamage 01:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Because I'm paranoid about someone deciding to hate me if I do this, let me mention that the 8th is tomorrow. ^^; Okay. --Masamage 00:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, here goes. --Masamage 20:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am now posting in the active discussions that used to live at Talk:Sailor Cosmos, and included them in an archive linked above. --Masamage 20:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Going forward

message: I shouldn't really involve myself in this article, but the picture we have in the sidebox for ChibiChibi is not a Naoko original. It was created by a girl named Sarita Chavez, and was released in "Smile" magazine in December 1998. I think we should upload a new one, because I'm sure that's against some rule or fair use rationale.Sbloemeke 12:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, good catch. I never would have guessed. Yeah, let's find a new one. If you have a suggestion, provide a link to it in this talk page so people can see it before any switch is made. --Masamage ♫ 17:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.soul-hunter.com/sailormoon/galleryanime/chibichibi/002.jpg It's from the oracle, and it's a fairly famous picture that defines her. It's the picture I would use to describe her.Sbloemeke 20:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is really good; my only complaint is that it doesn't show her hairstyle. --Masamage ♫ 21:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://sm-forever.narod.ru/Galleries/SailorVarriors/SailorChibiChibiMoon/chibichibimoon.jpg Sbloemeke 20:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, so there are copies that include the hairstyle! Cool, then. That one's pretty low-quality and has what looks like a Russian watermark in the corner, but I think that's definitely the right image if we can find a solid copy. --Masamage ♫ 21:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a bit of a search for one without the watermark, and it simply does not exist.Sbloemeke 19:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonsense. There's no watermark in the episode; if nothing else we can just grab a screenshot for ourselves. --Masamage ♫ 21:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I found a much higher quality version of that picture. It does have the watermark, but since the image is nicer I'll be able to sponge that out. I'll upload it over the top of what we have now. --Masamage ♫ 22:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The picture: 

message: Chibicibi definitely displays psychometry in the manga. Regardless of if Chibiusa has it, which is entirely possible since two times that flashes happened, she was involved, Chibichibi *must* have a form of it. This is because in the flash it shows events that she was not even involved in and she definitely touched Usagi. (The whole statement about she'd forgotten the tue Sailor Moon, etc would further show this.) One of the two must have this power. The ability to see things by touch is psychometry. Mamoru has this power as well and used it several times throughout the manga to do things like check the earth's power, heal knees, and transfer an sustain power from his body to another person, which none of the other soldiers display. This as also shown in the manga for him too when he kept Chibiusa alive at the end of Super. Anyhow... Something about psychometry should be mentioned. If Chibiusa has it is speculation. I still find it interesting tat Chibiusa is always the subject of it, but never triggers it herself... *speculation* I wonder if she has a recessive version of it... or has a trigger mechanism for people with psychometry. --Hitsuji Kinno 02:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I think that'd be a great thing to add. :) (Caaaan't wait 'til I get my Stars manga...) --Masamage ♫ 02:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait a second. If ChibiChibi is Usagi, then she would remember the death of Mamoru because she was there. There's certainly no basis for her having had memory loss about being Usagi, since she deliberately went back in time on purpose because of her memories of that. So psychometry isn't the only explanation. --Masamage ♫ 00:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "All the courage and strength to stand alone, the courage and strength to accept everything! I had forgotten it." Alex Glover, Act 52... so she did suffer from memory loss. If she remembers the events clearly, then sh wouldn't have forgotten this aspect and event. Facing the Death of her friends, regardless of if she's Usagi or not would be part of that courage... but then who knows. Anyhow, there is a slight thing to add... Ikuko was forgetting Chibiusa and saying it (the cup says Chibiusa) because she doesn't remember who Chibiusa was, which is how Chibichibi got her name. In addition it's Usagi/Sailor Moon that says her name is Sailor Chibichibi, though it can be argued by the crystal name she uses--"Chibichibi Crystal Make up!" Nowhere does she actually state her sailor name though until she grows into he Cosmos form. I thought that might be interesting. Since Chibiusa *did* receive the images she definitely has psychometry by the definition of it. She received information from Chibichibi and according to my research you can receive, but not give info with this power. Giving is telepathy. --Hitsuji Kinno 22:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not memory loss; that's the effect of time separating us from our past emotions. It happens to everyone. There's certainly an argument for her remembering because she says that she thinks back to that time at the Cauldron and wonders if it would have been worth it to stop Chaos altogether. I'm not saying that's definitely what's going on, it's just possible that Chibichibi may or may not have psychometry/telepathy. --Masamage ♫ 23:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chibichibi for a change... 

message: It states her name is Sailor Chibichibi like the original in the Shinzouban volume 12. The sticker states Sailorchibichibimoon, however, Takeuchi also did artwork for her website that she included in the Shinzouban that was anime-based and PGSM-based, such as Sailor Luna. Thus that statement should be changed on te page to reflect the text of the Shinzouban, rather than the sticker in the Shinzouban. --Hitsuji Kinno 22:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page 118 

message: When Sailor Cosmos said she is a coward who couldn't match Sailor Moon's final show of courage. I think she meant that after Sailor Moon beat Chaos that was her final show of courage  because sometime after the war with Sailor Chaos started she ran away as Sailor Cosmos. ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 20:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Show of Courage 

message: Hi people. Does anyone feel like me, that this could be an easy GAC once the Powers section is sourced?--SidiLemine 13:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aside from references, "Powers" needs to be re-written as prose. "Actresses" too. With that done, I think you're right, this could get to GA. Kazu-kun 14:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - we'll change those parts to be closer to our 'template article', Sailor Mercury (which has the list to prose things sorted).  Our current focus is on Sailor Pluto, to be followed by (not necessarily in this order) Sailors Moon, Chibi Moon, Uranus, Neptune, Saturn, and then poor old Tuxedo Mask, because they're more major characters in the series (3+ story arcs instead of only one).    Thanks again for the vote of confidence - Sailor Mercury is now at A-class assessment, if you'd like to comment on it. -Malkinann 15:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA? 

message: Usagi and Sailor Cosmos are one.  
In the manga, in ACT 52 PAGE 21, Sailor Cosmos says: " I didn't know what was right and wrong.  What should I do? Every time I thought about it, I remember the battle here (meaning the past).  If I destroyed the Cauldron back then (Meaning what she as Eternal Sailor Moon did, destroyed Chaos and melted with him)... Would there be more sufferings?  I had many regrets, so I came back... to do everything over.  My self here (in the past) was alone and suffering too.  That is why I kept close and supported her (meaning usagi)... To help her make the right choice". 
I think that statement answers any controversy, if doubt, consult the manga. --Jankie2000 ♫ 
:Yes, I agree that it's pretty convincing. The problem is, you're not actually quoting the manga there--you're quoting the Alex Glover translation of the manga. Which is great most of the time, but she doesn't actually say "I" in some of those lines. A closer translation of the first, for instance, is "If, back then, the Cauldron had disappeared."
:I still agree that it's convincing, but there's just barely enough doubt left over that we're uncomfortable stating it as an absolute fact. (Especially because some other facts from the series make it really weird and contradictory for Sailor Cosmos to be Usagi, like how Neo-Queen Serenity from the future and Sailor Moon from the past couldn't touch each other without basically destroying the world.) --Masamage ♫ 16:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong, they never hug. They merely look at each other. Even if it was a hug it would have to be super indirect and based on the fact that Chibiusa might not have good hygienic factors. O.o;; But if you're basing it on that, you have a long way to go. Look at the links and notes about various theories about Cosmos and Usagi being the same being. I'm collecting a third version of a theory as well. Unfortunately though I pulled the Sailor Cosmos note page down from my user page and put it on my own server... but that covers everything and a bag of chips on theories and various problems with those theories. http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/info/mediawiki/index.php/Sailor_Cosmos (Oh and this is a no register website... because I'm selfish like that.) --Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 07:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Most people do agree on that, yeah, but the real real question is whether or not Naoko Takeuchi is one of those people. :/ --Masamage ♫ 03:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Usagi/Sailor Cosmos truth

message: This is not true. She looks like a relative of Usagi, but she isn't. In the manga, Sailor Pluto states that a white moon daughter may only have 1 child, a girl, therefore ChibiChibi could not be Usagi's child. Chibiusa is the ONLY child of Usagi. Sailor_Pluto (talk) 15:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right you are. That's more or less what the article says, too. :) --Masamage ♫ 18:35, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ChibiChibi cannot be Usagi Tsukino's child....