Talk:The Beatles/Archive 7

message: what they thought of Martin luther King JR. ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.228.187.227 (talk • contribs)  20:30, 2 July 2006
:Please note; an anonymous editor using the above IP address has been admonished for "vandalising" the Martin Luther King article.LessHeard vanU 20:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The anonymous user is likely User:Dragong4 who is blocked for 6 months from editing anywhere on Wikipedia. 216.21.150.44 21:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does anbody have any info on....... 

message: McCartney continued to live in the city, first in a house in the centre of town, and then at a larger property in St John's Wood, a short distance from Abbey Road Studios. He was often seen at major cultural events such as the launch party for the International Times at The Roundhouse (which he attended in disguise). He also avidly delved into the visual arts, becoming a close friend of leading art dealers and gallery owners, explored experimental film, and regularly attended movie, theatrical and classical music performances.
This was taken from McCartney on WP.
Also this:
[] Ian Peel: The Unknown Paul McCartney - Reynolds & Hearn (November 1, 2002) 
“What emerges from Ian Peel´s book is a unique insight into Paul McCartney’s little–known contribution to avant–garde music. Ian Peel is a British music journalist with a special interest in digital dance music and other experimental forms.” 
andreasegde 20:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Experimental? 

message: The whole first half of "Changes in their music" is only about the individual Beatles, and it could easily go onto their own pages. 
To be honest, the whole piece is like wandering through a Beatles museum sideways. It repeats stuff that is available elsewhere (or should be somewhere else) and reads like a talk page. It’s a mess. Kick me in my lunchbox if I’m wrong… 
I thought I had taken these out, but it seems that they are still there:
“Reportedly stung by criticism of "Paperback Writer", The Beatles poured their creative energies into the recording studio.” (No citation)
“Throughout their career The Beatles' songs were rarely riff (or ostinato)-driven” (Rock and Roll, anyone?...)
“to nonsense songs and others defying description.” (POV)
andreasegde 20:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your lunchbox remains unkicked: The section is a mess that needs to be rewritten and reorganized, top to bottom.  - DavidWBrooks 21:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in their music 

message: I'm sorry, I'm just a trifle confused about why these two paragraphs don't belong with the other technical information about their studio habits. -MBlume 17:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (edit conflict) Current location is most bizarre. I think it should go into "Instrumentation", which ought to be prose. (When The KLF underwent its recent Featured Article Candidacy, we were advised to convert our Instrumentation section into prose, and since this is already a Featured Article I guess the same should happen here). --kingboyk 18:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Which paragraphs do you mean? Kick me in my waste depository, because I moved the mics section a bit lower in the "Studio band" section. I think it made more sense, timeline wise... andreasegde 18:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  --kingboyk 18:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The prose went: the stress of being The Beatles after the death of Mr Epstein; microphones; Yoko Ono. Doesn't seem too logical to me :) --kingboyk 18:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it has potential, but needs consistancy (it goes from saying they started out played rock and roll to saying they played dance), an nice thread running through to show the changing styles, when they existed and what other styles they co-encided with, contrasting, and their relevance. I'd have a crack at it but the wheather's too nice.--Crestville 12:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Microphone section 

message: "The Beatles line up was still changing.  In spring 1962 the fifth member of The Beatles bassist Stuart Sutcliffe died of a brain hemorrhage". Sutcliffe wasn't a member in 1962. Cheers Vera, Chuck & Dave 23:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn´t it be ex-member? It´s a piffling mistake, but nothing to write home about... andreasegde 14:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a misleading mistake.  It sounds like the lineup changed *because* of his death -MBlume 00:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Five Beatles?

message: Would it be ok to insert a link to temporary drummer Jimmy Nicol here In mid-1964 the band undertook their first appearances outside of Europe and North America, touring Australia and New Zealand as I think It gets overlooked otherwise.--Patthedog 09:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I should say so. Stick it in and see what happens.--Crestville 11:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimmy Nicol 

message: Sorry, this has nothing to do with pictures but I couldn't find another section to put it in.  We should have soundclips from 1962-1964.  Some of the most memorable Beatles hits were from these years, and there are no sound clips before 1965.  I'd do it, but I have no idea how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.43.124.144 (talk • contribs) 
: I've moved your comment to a new section.  You can create a new section by using == This syntax ==, or click the "+" tab next to "edit this page" uptop.  Powers 21:10, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that the BBC have made their library of news audio and film clips available to the public and non profit organisations. It could be worth trawling through their archives for all Beatle related material. As it seems to be on a regional basis, for earlier stuff then it would be the Liverpool/North West broadcasting area then London for the later years. I am aware that "my" area (South West) has Beatles related reports - Magical Mystery Tour - but perhaps some of the areas other than London/Liverpool are going to duplicate those and each other. It would be quite a task, and perhaps one to stick in the newsletter requesting help? LessHeard vanU 21:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound clips 

message: .....and established the prototype for the "self-contained" rock group; meaning that they did not need songwriters from outside of the band... a lot of credit ought to go to George Martin here as he was then most definitely in a position of influence and for a while considered which Beatle should be the leader, as was the norm with acts at the time (i.e. Cliff and the Shadows). Also, he allowed an enormous amount of leeway with their own song writing, which was just emerging. Another producer could so easily have insisted that John lead the group and just to be safe, use a tin pan alley song or two to try and launch them. He was hugely sympathetic, hard to imagine these days. --Patthedog 20:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is sad, replying to my own thread. Ah well…
I’m going to put this here as I don’t want to keep generating headings..Her Majesty - was a total accident. An engineer taped the short rehearsal tape on the end of the mixed version of the album, and the whole thing was sent to EMI to be pressed.. is not accurate. 2nd engineer John Kurlander was told to remove Her Majesty from the medley and throw it away! He couldn’t bring himself to do that so tagged it on the end of 20 seconds of red leader. The medley (including the "thown away" HM) was made into a demo lacquer for the band to hear if it would work. Paul was pleasantly taken by surprise on playback, and so it was saved and put onto the end of the final mixdown. BTW, my original (1969) Abbey Road cover lists it as a track. --Patthedog 18:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at the Her Majesty (song) page. andreasegde 03:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Yes, I've seen that and it's more or less accurate. It's The Beatles article that needs changing. Or just remove it as there is no need to go into such detail there. --Patthedog 08:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, from now on I will do whatever I feel is the right thing. I suppose I was waiting for approval. Thirty two and six it cost me! I then went to the pub and bought myself a pint for ninepence and read the cover. Lovely! --Patthedog 15:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't actually remeber old money, but am I the only one who thinks Paul McCartney should fork out some cash and re-issue the cd's with more effort put into the covers, inlays and that. Only Sgt. Pepper and The White Album are any good. It's a shambles, really.--Crestville 12:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Martin 

message: ... in more ways than one.  There are two paragraphs in the history section that talk about the Pete->Ringo conversion.  I'd drop one myself, but thought I'd leave it to those of you who have been focussing on this article more.  John (Jwy) 12:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pete Best Redundancy 

message: Just to let everyone know, the article on George Smith, John Lennon's uncle, who raised him as his own son, is up for deletion. While I in no way wish for non-notable people to be given articles purely on the basis that they are related to someone famous, Smith was like a father to Lennon and integral but often overlooked key in The Beatles mythology (if that's the right word). He features prominently in any other work on or about Lennon. Vital information that cannot reasonably be included in the Lennon article. The main problem is the unfortunate article title, which highlights close connotations to the fact that he is mainly famous for his relationship to Lennon. Other than that it is a desirable article for anyone wishing to learn about John Lennon. I just thought I'd give anyone interested the opportunity to voice their opinions here: . Ta very much.--Crestville 14:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[George Smith (John Lennon)|George Toogood Smith]] up for deletion

message: The original "lost tapes" were BBC sessions that had been in their vaults for years. They were recordings of early BBC shows. The "lost tapes" that have recently been in the news were from the Get Back sessions. No connection between the two, apart from the name.
Is someone going to buy me a pint? (Sound of deafening silence...) Oh well... andreasegde 10:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When you find yourself a buyer of pints - be a pal and send 'em over to me afterwards! Fanx, ta-ra...LessHeard vanU 12:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As nice as you are - LessHeard vanU - if I found "a buyer of pints", I would hold him/her to my bosom and never let them go... Ahhh... beautiful dreams are wonderful things. andreasegde 13:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lost tapes

message: Does anyone else see the two paragraphs about Ringo Starr under the formation of the band as redundant?
Check these out:
Martin did have a problem with Best however, whom he criticised for not being able to keep time. For this and other reasons, The Beatles let Best go on August 16, 1962, although it was left to Brian Epstein to tell him. They immediately asked Starr, whom they had met and even performed with previously, to join the band permanently. Starr had been the drummer for Rory Storm and The Hurricanes, at a time when they had been one of the top Merseybeat groups, a bigger group than The Beatles were. Martin, unaware of this personnel change, hired session drummer Andy White to play drums on The Beatles' first studio session on September 4, 1962. Andy would be the session drummer during their 3rd EMI session on September 11, 1962.
In August 1962 Pete Best was dismissed and replaced by Ringo Starr (real name: Richard Starkey). Starr had been the drummer for rival Liverpool band Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, and had played with The Beatles several times in Hamburg. George Martin was not impressed with Best's playing and privately suggested to Brian Epstien that the band should use another drummer in the studio. Though Best had some popularity and was considered good-looking by many female fans, the three founding members had become increasingly unhappy with his drumming and his moody personality, and Epstein had become exasperated with his refusal to adopt the distinctive hairstyle as part of their unified look.
Omegasnk
:Well spotted. You can do the necessary edits, if you like. Please leave any detail that is relevant to the section, and remove duplication. Also, after the initial full name individuals should be referred to by surname only (thus "Andy" becomes "White").ps. Please type four tildes (~) after your comment for your username plus time and date to be added to your comment; like this LessHeard vanU 20:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ringo Starr Redundancy

message: Took out a lot of stuff in Changes in their music, and cut the photo captions down as George (RIP) would not want to be known for only "adding the sitar to their music". andreasegde 12:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit

message: User:JohnEmerald is inserting false info in the article, reinserting that Magical Mystery Tour was a British LP when it was an American LP.  Should he be restricted from posting? Steelbeard1 10:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  What should happen is you put it back, and rephrase the list heading slightly.  It deserves to be in a list : the mere fact that it was released in on four sides versus two sides is irrelevant.  Morwen - Talk 10:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: NOT in a British LP list which it's in.  AGAIN, it was not a British LP until long after The Beatles broke up in 1976.  And NOT considered a standard official LP until the catalogue was issued on CD.  BTW, JohnEmerald did not insert the false info, he added onto the false info by inserted the album cover.  Steelbeard1 10:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll just repeat myself but make it more clear for you: change the definition of the list then.  Morwen - Talk 10:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, I've done this myself. It now says "list of original albums and double EPs".  See how easy this is!  Morwen - Talk 10:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the MMT double EP sleeve was different. Steelbeard1 10:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's nice, I'll put the correct one there instead, then.  Would you like some tea?  You seem to be rather on edge.  Morwen - Talk 10:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikiquette, everyone. C'mon now. --TommyBoy76 17:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:JohnEmerald]]