Talk:United States Department of State list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations

message: Someone added "ANTIFA of Germany" and the date "Dec 30 2020" to the list. 
Please add a source for this, otherwise it seems to be a fake. 
Also, the organization "ANTIFA of Germany" does not exist. There was an organization "Antifaschistische Aktion" in Germany, which stopped its activity almost 90 years ago. I wonder how an organization that does not exist (or does not exist anymore) ended up in the list. What organization will be added next? Judean People's Front?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C9:EF28:CA00:7584:6C26:E0CF:EC09 (talk) 10:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: "ANTIFA of Germany"

message: It seems that the state department has added another group to the list.
Press release. It is also known as the al-Zarqawi network. This is not yet in the official list (linked from the bottom of http://www.state.gov/s/ct/ ). When it is, it should be placed in the article list. --ChrisRuvolo 00:47, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated. --ChrisRuvolo 07:15, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Jama’at al-Tawhid wa’al-Jihad

message: This is an international encyclopaedia. We shouldn't use 'foreign' to mean 'non-US'. Shall I change this myself? jguk 23:52, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the official title of the list, which is a list based on US Federal law and maintained by the US State department. I think the first paragraph makes that clear. See . An alternative might be to rename it to U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations, albeit lengthy. --ChrisRuvolo 01:42, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Foreign=Non US

message: I understood that Batasuna was included in the list.
I guess that it is considered a part of ETA, not worthy of differentiation.
--Error 01:50, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Batasuna

message: This really looks pretty nice. I was going to suggest nominating it for WP:FLC, but it's not so much a list as an article about a list, so maybe better for WP:FAC. In any case, it needs a references section, but that should be easy enough (presumably, the State Department has a webpage or two that could be a reference). Tuf-Kat 18:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC/FLC 

message: I know several permutations of "terrorist organization" category's have been deleted form wikipedia for POV reasons, however I think adding :Category:Organizations proscribed by the U.S. government might be worthwhile here. There are real consequences people/cooperations interacting with these organizations that result from their inclusion on the list. Thoughts. Dalf | Talk 02:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: "As of early 2006, most (27%) of the organizations on the list are Islamist groups in the Middle East". The word "most" means greater than 50%, this should be re-worded along the lines of "As of early 2006, Islamist groups in the Middle Eastern account for 27% of the list,". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.102.151 (talk • contribs) 
:Feel free to edit the page yourself, Wikipedia is publicly editable. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 20:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  27% is not "most" 

message: Yeah so it should be changed so that the Kurdish terror group are from 'Iraq'. You don't say the IRA are from Ireland, or ETA is from Basque. Tourskin 00:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends! If an organization is active throughout a region and does not divide itself by national boundaries, then it makes sense to describe it as coming from the region. For instance, if a group is active on all of Borneo including the parts belonging to Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brunei, but is not active in other parts of Malaysia and Indonesia, then it makes sense to say that group is from Borneo. --FOo 05:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurdistan is not a country its a region 

message: The given list is from the 11th of October, 2005. At he introduction it is said that "as of early...". I asume it means according to the given list (or was it changed in between).
Anyway, what I don't get is the "27% of the organizations on the list are Islamist groups in the Middle East". What is the source? There are 44 organizations on the list. A 27% of 44 is 12.
Looking at the countries, there are 15 organizations from the middle east (from Egypt to Iran). But we have to exclude the non islamist ones. It is, a jewish one (14 left) and several palestinian nationalist ones (ANO, PLF, PLFP, PLFP-GC, amb maybe even the al-aqsa martirs, as they are part of al-fatah). So there are only 10 left. And this is a 23% (not a 27%).
On the other hand, if we count all the islamist groups, from anywhere in the world, it adds up to 24, what is a majority, and could be so stated. --81.38.171.93 17:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  27% 

message: In 23 July 2006 User:Le Anh-Huy added false information about turkestan organizations that has remained. The origianl US SD list lists 42 organizations. He added 2 more. I'll remove them. About their status, check  and . --81.38.171.93 18:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong data 

message: I find it hard to believe that the Continuity Irish Republican Army is on the list, when their supporters in the USA are online at: http://irishfreedom.net/ with a PO Box address at Woodside New York?.86.42.208.131 (talk) 11:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Read me Kernel Saunters (talk) 12:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. The CIRA is still listed here in August 2009:  or here. Clearly some proscribed groups are more equal than others.86.42.254.144 (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: CIRA on list?

message: I have to question the organization of the FTOs by geographic regions. First of all, I am unable to find these regional groupings anywhere on the State Dept website. (If the State Dept does not break these groups into regions, I would argue that this constitutes original research.) Secondly, it is debatable that some of these countries are actually in those regions. For example, Pakistan and Uzbekistan could be considered Asian countries and do not fit into the traditional definition of the Middle East.--RDavi404 (talk) 15:41, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regional groupings 

message: If there are no objections, I believe that a section for delisted organizations should be added. The State Department's |list has eight groups at the bottom that they note as once listed as FTOs, but now removed (with dates). Notable groups include the Japanese Red Army, Khmer Rouge, and the recently-delisted Mujahideen-e Khalq. It also looks like the Armed Islamic Group is off the list as well (perhaps because they effectively became the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat, which in turn became al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb)?Konchevnik81 (talk) 18:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Added. I also added three groups missing from the active list (Jemaah Anshorut Tauhid, Islamic Jihad Union, and Abdullah Azzam), and deleted the two Ulster groups as they are not on the current or delisted lists from the State Department.Konchevnik81 (talk) 21:01, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Delisted Groups

message: The lists seemed a little clunky, so I reformatted as sortable tables. Three groups were removed: 32 Counties (it's considered by the US to be a front for the Real IRA), Lord's Resistance Army (Kony is considered a "Specially Designated Terrorist", but his group isn't listed as an FTO, and the Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (which has US Treasury prohibitions, but again is not designated an FTO by the US State Department).Konchevnik81 (talk) 21:02, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Tables Updates

message: With the passing of Nelson Mandela, a lot of interest has increased around allegations of connections of him and of the ANC to terrorism. 
Please refrain from adding the ANC to the tables. It is true that the ANC was considered a terrorist organization by the US government in the 1980s, and that Mandela wasn't taken off US government watchlists until 2008, but from all the sources that I can see, that does not seem to apply to the US State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations, which was created in 1997, after Apartheid had ended and when the ANC was already the ruling party in South Africa. 
According to|NBC, the list in question appears to be a Defense Department list, not a State Department list (State distanced itself from the "ANC are terrorists" characterization). The original 1988 list is |here, and as you can see it includes numerous organizations in addition to the ANC that never made it to the State list, including ASALA, Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front, and the arguably best-named terrorist group "|Alfaro Lives, Damn It!"
This (and other information about pre-1997 US State Department terrorist lists) might be good in a text section ("history" or some such) but doesn't belong in the table.Konchevnik81 (talk) 16:16, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  African National Congress 

message: OK, I added some references for the opening sections (which are mostly just reprints of State Department FAQs). I also added some heft to the Criticism section, so that it's more than just a Chomsky quote. I also started a "controversies" section, as there have been specific controversies around MEK being taken off the list, and about Boko Haram not being added to the list until 2013. Those sections and the references provided should help to make this more than just a reprint of State Department documents.Konchevnik81 (talk) 16:43, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Updates

message: From 2012:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120412233859/http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm
*35. al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI)
*36. al-Qa’ida (AQ)
*37. al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
*38. al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (formerly GSPC)
This is why it's wrong to simply delete groups rather than tracking the changes in names with dates. There are now cnspiracy theories circulating about why Islamic State isn't on the list, when in truth it's been on the list since December 2004 under its earlier name. The next time someone tells me something is true because he read it in Wikipedia - "and it was footnoted!" - I'm going to point him to this debacle. Look at the view stats:
http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/United_States_State_Department_list_of_Foreign_Terrorist_Organizations
I'd guess most of those were people looking for when Islamic State was added, and finding nothing. You can use archive.org to recreate the timeline for all these groups. 71.23.178.214 (talk) 02:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al-Qaida and Isil on list 

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message: : I see you added the outdated tag (as of February 2020). I have updated the table to the latest FTOs list. Is there anything that needs an update? Or can we remove the template? Thanks. --MarioGom (talk) 21:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated template 

message: The USSD delisted Basque Fatherland and Liberty, Aum Shinrikyo, Mujahidin Shura Council in the Environs of Jerusalem, Kahane Chai, and Gama’a al-Islamiyya, and the list has not been updated to reflect that. Can somebody take care of that?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.90.89.69 (talk) 01:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  May 20, 2022 delistings