Talk:Hydraulic empire

message: I thought they were mentioned by Karl Marx. --Anon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.58.3.237 (talk) 11:36, 20 September 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marx and hydraulic empires 

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Water empire. Johnleemk | Talk 05:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Water empire]] merged here 

message: :
Deleted this because it's not relevant - how does the idea of envy on the part of "Middle Easterners" (a questionable term) resulting from the desertification of their own environment, relate to the concept of the hydraulic empire, as defined elsewhere in the piece? 
As well as being irrelevant, it's a highly questionable thesis (I would say, "drivel"), and not substantiated or supported by third-party references - the work of a non-canonical author included seemingly arbitrarily; furthermore it links within the paragraph (not in the footnotes) to an external site, so I'm frankly suspicious of the motives behind its inclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.4.93 (talk) 13:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted this section 

message: I removed some parts from the "Examples in SF" section. It's simply too long compared to the rest of the article and while that concept is common in SF which may merit a section it shouldn't dominate the article.
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the society of the Fremen was tribal, not a hydraulic empire
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A section with examples from movies/sf etc. on wikipedia opens Pandora's Box. The first two examples are elaborate and fitting and after that comes an overly long list of obscure and pointless examples put in in later edits. I don't doubt that there are hundreds of works that have something remotely resembling a hydraulic empire but we don't have to mention every single one because the section says "Examples" not "Exhaustive List".
I left the (probably) most well-known example -Dune- and the example that seems to best fit the topic. 62.245.161.201 17:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Destiny's Road is definitely the better example as it's central to the plot. A World Out of Time is barely memorable, though I do agree that the Pak/TlO is totally off the mark. Other examples in Niven's bibliography are Smoke Ring and Building Harlequin's Moon --Belg4mit 06:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The existence of "in fiction" sections is standard in Wikipedia. They can get over the top sometimes and should be trimmed, but this seems a pretty good list of works which explore the issue as a central theme. But to be sure it would be great to have more academic discussion and sources added. ··gracefool☺ 23:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  SF 

message: Arguably, the Incas should be a see also, but probably not until that entry is updated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Belg4mit (talk • contribs) 07:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions 

message: I just read this article, and I couldn't help but think of my countries current total dependency on oil production. The entire thing would collapse almost overnight it oil production stopped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.46.213.19 (talk) 23:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign your comments. If you wanted to make the argument, you could call them hydraulic empires. As the article clearly explains, not all hydraulic empires are about water. Regardless, IMHO our dependence upon oil does not equate to a hydraulic empire. "Lifeblood" though it may be, it is not *required*, and the suppliers do not possess comparable levels of control regarding distribution and use. --Belg4mit 20:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SO..What do we call oil controlled empires? 

message: Should it be here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.232.3 (talk) 07:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Skyland?

message: From what I can understand just from reading the article, and some of the comments here in the discussion, the original concept is from a semi-racist socio-history excercise, and is mainly significant in Sci-fi rather than history. I suggest it be re-ritten to reflect that, unless it really is a common term in historical analysis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.210.158 (talk) 00:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete re-write

message: Should there be a link to Palace economy?  From my understanding, they refer to pretty much the same thing, maybe Hydraulic empire focusing on the political organisation and Palace economy focusing on the economic system.  Should they be merged? --Wtrmute (talk) 01:01, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship to Palace economy? 

message: There's a brief mention here of the Indus Valley civilisation, and it says that there is little evidence of irrigation being used. I've definitely read that they had irrigation - it's mentioned the book History by DK Press, edited by Adam Hart-Davis, and I'm sure I've read it elsewhere too. Thanks just thought I should mention it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.126.184 (talk) 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indus irrigation 

message: Hydraulic despotism has long been a common plot in movies and episodes of TV series set in the 1800's in the American southwest. The basis of the plot is a person who owns a lot of land installing dams or diversions in a river or creek to attempt to starve out farmers or ranchers down stream. Then there's another person or group who first attempts to reason with the one controlling the water. When reason fails, the protagonist usually turns to violence. The denouement involves either the despot character getting killed or something happening to make him see the error of his ways and releasing the water or sometimes his other illegal activities result in incarceration. Bizzybody (talk) 09:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I discovered this page from the "See also" section of Dune. I am thinking along the same lines as your comment, there have got to be many works in popular culture that explore this idea, another one being Mad Max Fury Road.Spheroidite (talk) 21:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western movies and TV  series 

message: * Recherches sur l'origine du despotisme oriental, 1761. Réédition : Paris, Hachette, 1972  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felix Folio Secundus (talk • contribs) 10:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled