Talk:Territory of Hawaii

message: A previous article Hawaii Territory, now a redirect to this, said in its entirety:
:"The Hawaii Territory was a territory of the United States from February 22, 1900 to 1959. It joined the United States following the abolition of the Hawaiian monarchy, during the brief existence of the Republic of Hawaii.
:"During World War II the Hawaii Territory was governed by the United States military. 
:"On August 21, 1959 Hawaii was granted statehood, and became the 50th U.S. state."
Note the disagreement about the starting date.
Jmabel 18:12, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article now redirected here 

message: The Territory of Hawai'i was established by the Newlands Resolution signed by both chambers of Congress on 7 July 1898.  The law legally ceded all Hawaiian lands to United States sovereignty thus establishing the territorial entity.  This is the date officially adopted as the establishment date by the State of Hawai'i, the Princess Pauahi Bishop Museum and the United States Congress.  It is the date taught in all mandatory Modern Hawaiian History curricula taught in Hawai'i public schools.
The date of establishment is often confused, especially by mainland United States residents, as being 22 February 1900 or some other date falling within the year.  This was the date of passage of the Hawaiian Organic Act, more formally known as An Act to Provide a Government for the Territory of Hawai'i which merely codified a system of government for the already existing entity called the Territory of Hawai'i.
* Text of the Newlands Resolution
* Text of the Hawaiian Organic Act
* Hawai'i State Department of Accounting and General Services and Hawai'i State Archives
Gerald Farinas 18:40, 29 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that not only mainland residents were confused but also the Hawaiian territorial government itself. Just look at this image of the results of the Hawaiian vote on statehood: thumb|right|80px Look closely at the affixed seal of the territory of hawaii and you'll see the date "1900".72.27.62.58 17:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion about dates of establishment 

message: This article did not go through the current GA nomination process. Looking at the article as is, it fails on criteria 2b of the GA quality standards. No references are provided and the citation of sources is essential for verifiability. Most Good Articles use inline citations. I would recommend that this be fixed, to reexamine the article against the GA quality standards, and to submit the article through the nomination process. --RelHistBuff 12:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: Was the Territory of Hawai‘i a incorporated territory, like other former territories on the North American continent before statehoods were granted? — Instantnood 13:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hawai‘i

message: What about Lt. General Robert C. Richardson Jr. who was Military Governor of the Territory of Hawaii during World War II? Chris 21:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Military Governor

message: Documentation for the usage of the name "Hawaii Territory"
United States Department of Commerce
* ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/wdc/geomagnetism/docs/publications/1906/Bauer_1906_44.pdf (DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND LABOR, COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY, TERRESTRIAL MAGNETISM RESULTS OF MAGNETIC OBSERVATIONS MADE BY THE COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY BETWEEN JULY 1, 1905, AND JUNE 30, 1906, page 119)
* http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1933-02.pdf (Department of Commerce, Statistical Abstract of the United States, page 1)
* http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1939-02.pdf (Department of Commerce, Statistical Abstract of the United States, page 1)
* http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1948-02.pdf (page 5)
* http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2000/phc-3-13.pdf (U.S. Census Bureau, 2003, page III-1)
* http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2000/phc3-us-pt1.pdf  (U.S. Census Bureau, 2004, page V-5)
Federal Security Agency
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997016/pdf/pubhealthreporig01139-0002.pdf (Federal Security Agency, ca. 1949)
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997040/pdf/pubhealthreporig01147-0002.pdf (Federal Security Agency, ca. 1950)
United States Department of Agriculture
* http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/pi_books/scans/pi018.pdf (1909 page 51)
Library of Congress
* http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/dec07.html
* http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/nov07.html
* http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/map_item.pl?data=/home/www/data/gmd/gmd438/g4382/g4382p/ct003113.jp2 (Handwritten on the image)
* http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82014685/
* http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/wwii/jb_wwii_pearlhar_1.html
Others
* http://www.michigan.gov/documents/hal_mhc_mhm_cool-maps_tg_10-10-2001_92675_7.pdf (Teacher’s Guide)
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1999046/pdf/pubhealthreporig02360-0067.pdf (page XVI)
* http://www.usmarshals.gov/district/hi/general/history.htm
* http://womenincongress.house.gov/member-profiles/profile.html?intID=173
* http://forbes.house.gov/news/email/show.aspx?ID=KHTRLAPKXNGLMNDNCH3GYV77A4
* http://www.lva.virginia.gov/public/vnp/results.asp?rl=Hawaii&rt=State
* http://www.torranceca.gov/archivednewspapers/Herald/1947%20Feb%2027%20-%20Dec%2025/PDF/00000172.pdf
* http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-HPREC-DESCHLERS-V2/pdf/GPO-HPREC-DESCHLERS-V2-3-14-3.pdf Ch9 §48.2 (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-HPREC-DESCHLERS-V2)
If you find something more official, please add. HawaiiLibre (talk) 09:45, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, that's not how we use sources on Wikipedia.  We don't cherry pick from primary sources that abbreviate titles as a style convention.  We choose titles based on the most common usage by secondary sources first, then tertiary, then primary.  You are misusing sources to support your own personal POV.  That some sources might abbreviate the proper name for the sake of brevity or consistent style is not in dispute.  What is in dispute is proper naming convention, which the majority of secondary sources use as "Territory of Hawaii", not "Hawaii Territory".  I suggest you stick with Google Scholar, Google Books, and Google News as your baseline.  Another good starting point is ScholarSpace and the UH Library.  ScholarSpace roughly returns 160 hits for "Territory of Hawaii" and 30 hits for "Hawaii Territory".  The UH Library returns 1000 hits for "Territory of Hawaii" and 4 hits for "Hawaii Territory".  The UH research page will get you started on your journey.  Please take a look at it. Viriditas (talk) 11:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The standard way to determine common name is to ngram it, which I have done here. Kauffner (talk) 12:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  What you did is ngram with Google Books Ngram Viewer, a tool, if the name is descriptive, that omits all non-book usage. HawaiiLibre (talk) 12:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We write Wikipedia articles from secondary sources.  Ngram shows that the current article title ("Territory of Hawaii") is supported, and my suggestion that you use the ScholarSpace and UH Library tools to see this for yourself remains.  Please do so.  We don't use a Google search to pick and choose uncommon usage as you are doing. Viriditas (talk) 13:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hawaii Territory 

message: I happened to look at this article for the first time in a long while today, and noticed that the lead sentence says that the Territory, with the exception of Johnston Atoll, was admitted to the Union. I haven't changed this, but it looks like a problem. This apparently dates back to this June 2011 edit and it's not something I have fresh in my mind, so I think that other eyes are needed.
As I understand it, in July 1898 the Newlands Resolution annexed the "Hawaiian Islands and their dependencies" (the Republic of Hawaii) to create the Territory of Hawaii (see http://www.bartleby.com/43/44.html). On April 30, 1900, the Hawaiian Organic Act was enacted, and article 5 of that Act made Hawaii an Incorporated territory (see http://www.hawaiiankingdom.org/us-organic-act-1900.shtml). 
As I recall, but I don't have details handy, Palmyra Atoll was incorporated along with the main Hawaiian islands. When Hawaii was admitted as a State, the Hawaii Admission Act explicitly excluded Palmyra Atoll. The act also (and separately) says that the state "shall not be deemed to include the Midway Islands, Johnston Island, Sand Island (off-shore from Johnston Island), or Kingman Reef, together with their appurtenant reefs and territorial waters." These had been (I guess -- but I don't have the details handy)  possessions of the Republic of Hawaii which had been annexed along with the Republic itself but which had become unincorporated territories (see http://www.hawaii-nation.org/admission.html and Territories of the United States#Incorporated unorganized territories).
The Statehood section of the article mentions the exclusion of Palmyra Atoll, contradicting the article's lead sentence.
It seems to me that this article ought to go further than it currently does to clarify the details about all this. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:42, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the article was unclear about excluding the Stewart Islands.  Hawaii was annexed in 1898 from the Republic of Hawaii (which had replaced the Provisional Government of Hawaii, which had overthrown the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1893).  In the records of the annexed Republic of Hawaii, the individual Stewart Islands are named as being part of the Republic of Hawaii: Ihi Kai Ana, Te Perena, Taore, Matua Ati and Matua Ivoto. (Hawaii State Archives, M-313).  The Stewart Islands had been ceded to the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1856 under King Kamehameha IV, as Palmyra Island was similarly acquired by that Kingdom in 1862.  Since the annexation in 1898, the United States has not ceded the Stewart Islands by treaty to any country, and no U.S. or international court has addressed the sovereignty question.  I've added reference to the Stewart Islands (recently called Sikaiana in the Solomon Islands), and reworded the exclusion of Palmyra to conform to the language of the Hawaiian Organic Act and the Hawaii Admission Act. 50.240.8.209 (talk) 14:46, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johnston Atoll, Palmyra Atoll, etc. 

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