Talk:Wine

message: New Zealand, Austria, Mexico, and Uruguay were added to the list of manufacturers. These countries are listed in The Sommelier Prep Course by Michael Gibson, published 2010 by John Wiley & Sons. Raist27 (talk) 16:25, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added manufacturers 

message: One of these is clearly a recolouring of the other.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.79.253 (talk) 06:48, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Photoshopping can change water into wine... /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  White/Rose images 

message: Removed a rather tall claim about wine being made "for thousands of years" based on "some Vedic scripture" , as it is based on a website www.indiamarks.com, which does not appear to be reliable source, especially for a claim like this. Athenean (talk) 22:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  India 

message: User:BernhardtP recently made this edit to add a table showing wine versus beer consumption, ranked by ratio.
This is meaningless. The measurement is in units of liters of pure alcohol, which is fine when reporting just wine, but it's apples-to-oranges when comparing with non-wine. I mean, if the comparison was wine versus orange juice, or wine versus chicken broth, you couldn't use alcohol content, you'd have to use volume.
And that's the problem with this table. In terms of volume, assuming wine has 3 to 4 times the alcohol of beer, the table simply shows that the beer consumption in most countries equals or exceeds the wine consumption. So what? That isn't surprising.
Because it isn't a valid comparison, I am inclined to remove this table, but I want to see someone else comment first. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:51, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Comparisons by alcohol level might be useful for medical or social analysis. Binksternet (talk) 00:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Also: comparisons by cost, or by single unit of sale, or by single serving portion might be of interest for business segment analysis. Binksternet (talk) 00:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the cited source purely has the context of alcohol consumption and its demographics, distribution, health effects, etc. This isn't an article about alcohol, it's about wine, so I'm still not sure how a digression into a comparison on the consumption of alcohol by country belongs here. I have a problem with that source in general for use in this article. It's all about alcohol, so everything there is expressed in units of alcohol. That has little relevance to the article topic, especially since the wine industry worldwide uses volume (bottles, barrels, liters) of actual wine, not volume of alcohol in the wine produced. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I like having the table. Wine and beer are very very commonly compared counterparts. In fact, many legal jurisdictions placed them together in an entirely different category from most alcohol (for licensing purposes and in statistics). It is useful, verifiable, and generally enlightening to have their consumption compared. Steven Walling 04:40, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Wow, the "consumption" tables are truly a liability. First of all, the country selection is arbitrary at best: The left-hand table seems to be drawing on the countries with the second- through eleventh-highest per-capita wine consumption, while leaving out the country with the highest per-capita consumption. The right hand table is maybe showing the countries with the highest wine/beer ratio?, but that's completely unsourced, is not an intended use of the WHO data and may not be statistically valid. Additionally, as mentioned by Amatulic, measuring by liters of ethyl alcohol is an unusual and misleading presentation of the data. In short, the selection and presentation of the data has rendered it into decontextualized, useless trivia. --Sneftel (talk) 12:40, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true the table lacks Luxembourg, the highest per capita consumer, but of course that can be easily fixed. Otherwise, the table does not elucidate the health concerns of alcohol and it does not use prose to describe the situation. I think it should be moved to the article Long-term effects of alcohol. Comparing beer to wine consumption is commonly done but not usually by unit of ethanol. The beer v. wine table should be replaced by prose discussion of relative sales and production. Binksternet (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points all. I found a source for per-capita consumption of wine, measured by total volume rather than alcohol volume. (I don't want to spoil the surprise, but it turns out Luxembourg is number two.) --Sneftel (talk) 17:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Wine vs beer consumption - ambiguous and irrelevant?

message: Native grapes were abundant in parts of the now-United Sates, but as far as I know, no wine-making was ever done by Native Americans. An explanation of this phenomenon if possible would be of interest.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.127.174 (talk) 15:26, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New World 

message: * Forester, S.C. / Waterhouse, A.L. “Metabolites Are Key to Understanding Health Effects of Wine Polyphenolics”, Journal of Nutrition (2009),139(9):1824S-1831S.
* He, S. et al. “Red Wine Polyphenols for Cancer Prevention”, International Journal of Molecular Sciences (2008),9(5):842-853.
* Yoo, Y.J. et al. “Should Red Wine Be Considered a Functional Food?”, Comprehensive Reviews in Food Science and Food Safety (2010),9(5):530-551.
Centralized discussion on such links in Further reading: here --Ronz (talk) 16:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential references

message: Though Sicily certainly produces many interesting wines, I don't see why a book on Sicilian wine belongs in the bibliography of this article.  Not because it is in Italian -- there are surely some valuable non-English-language books on wine that belong in the bibliography (e.g. something by Emile Peynaud) -- but because it is too specialized.  Even a book on all Italian (or French or American or Australian) wine probably doesn't belong here.  I also question some of the other entries in the bibliography.  Wikipedia is not a how-to guide, and I don't think we should be including how-to guides on buying wine, or multiple introductions to wine appreciation. --Macrakis (talk) 01:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: ''La Sicilia del Vino''

message: There have been two deletions lately of the same content but for different reasons. Portions of the first paragraph and all of the second paragraph have been deleted because they either were "undue bits" or because of a "contradicted cited source." As there are four citations, it is unclear which is contradictory. Looking at the first page of Encyclopedia Britannica's Wine and its subsection Fruit wines, this source is not contradicted. Barley wine discusses barley wine, but it does not include information about ginger or rice wine. As such additional citations would be needed to cover the rest of the information. The Simon & Schuster Pocket Wine Label Decoder and Vintage: The Story of Wine. Simon & Schuster are inaccessible to me, thus I cannot confirm the veracity of the article's statements. Any insight on this?  Cheers! Encycloshave (talk) 15:32, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have Vintage and can verify any info. What part was that pertaining to? AgneCheese/Wine 16:07, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm guessing the the pages are a typo—"pp. 11-6"—perhaps somewhere between pp. 6 and 11.  The article content is, "The natural chemical balance of grapes lets them ferment without the addition of sugars, acids, enzymes, or other nutrients."Encycloshave (talk) 16:15, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it may take a while. There is some minor edit warring going on at Champagne that is taken my attention. Two editors after only a couple days of discussions wants to hammer in their "two person" consensus into the article. AgneCheese/Wine 16:33, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  As Wran has chosen not discuss edits, I have elevated the issue at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Encycloshave (talk • contribs) 15:07, 5 May 2012‎ (UTC)
Sorry about the delay. I had a family member taken ill by a brown recluse spider bite and most of yesterday was spent at the hospital dealing with that nastiness. :( But I looked into the matter and the reference citation looked familiar and I realized it was because I added it back in 2007 for some information that was already present in the article. (My ref was for pages 11-16, somewhere along the way the 11-6 popped up) I looked further and found the source of the original line was from a 2006 edit from a user who is no longer around. Now looking at Vintage, I believe the reason why I used this reference was because of passages like this on pg 11 and the several other instances from there to pg 16 where Johnson talks about how wine can be made without virtually any interference from man--just crushed grapes in a seal jar is enough to ferment to wine, etc. AgneCheese/Wine 19:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

text:  If you care to review the full article that is cited, you will see that it does discuss fruit wines in the fruit wine subsection. As this article is merely titled "Wine," as is the one at Britannica, it is fitting that at least a small bit of attention be paid to wine in the broader sense, regardless of the source, i.e. other fruits, rice, honey, etc. In addition, there is a link to fruit wines, and the rest of the article is dedicated to the history, production, trade, consumption, etc of wine made from grapes. I would however, suggest improving the hatnote and adding a link to fruit wines in the disambiguation. Encycloshave (talk) 17:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wholesale deletions 

message: I noticed this in the professions list. It sounds interesting and would probably make for a good article, but I haven't been able to find much on it. All I have dug up are two consultant wine makers who refer to themselves as terror specialists, but does that count as a "profession?" Even the description seems a bit off, as "academic" is a professor by profession. It was added in March 2010 by IP 41.241.161.7. http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois/?ip=41.241.161.7 didn't provide any insight as to who this was. Encycloshave (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terroir specialist 

message: In the Professions section, I see...
*"Garagiste: An amateur wine maker, or a derogatory term used for small scale operations of recent inception, usually without pedigree and located in Bordeaux.
That doesn't sound like a profession to me - amateur winemaking is not a profession, and derogatory terms are not valid names for professions. The article Garagistes describes it...
*The garagistes refers to a group of innovative winemakers in the Bordeaux region, producing "Vins de garage", "Garage wine"
Again, that's not a profession - it's a name for a specific group of winemakers. I'm going to remove it from the list, but if anyone believes it is a genuine profession, please shout. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought about that one as well when raising the issue of terroir specialist. It's redundant. I say nix it. Encycloshave (talk) 18:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garagiste 

message: Wine production and export business on a boom in India however no mention here.
Indian wine  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.119.104.226 (talk) 16:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian wine is not mentioned 

message: So apple wine redirects to apfelwein, which it says is a synonym for cider.  apple wine is given as an example of a fruit wine.  The fruit wine page says cider is excluded from the definition of a fruit wine.  something's funky, guys, and i'm not a wine expert.  romnempire (talk) 04:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion about fruit wines 

message: The section on forgery and manipulation of wines contains incorrect information about the Czech Republic 2012 methanol crysis.
Neither of the two references (http://www.eurotopics.net/en/home/presseschau/archiv/results/archiv_article/ARTICLE111201-The-fatal-greed-of-alcohol-adulterators and http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_09_17/20-dead-from-counterfeit-alcohol-in-Czech-Republic/) says anything about wine being the problematic beverage. The first link mentions wine a few times, but not once in connection with the 2012 crysis - "In Ancient Greece and Rome, wine was stretched with water", "But even in Austria there was a scandal a few years back involving wine that had been adulterated with anti-freeze substances." (Austria is not in the Czech Republic, and it isn't related to the 2012 crysis at all). The second article even explicitly states that the government has forbidden the sale of alcoholic beverages with more than 20% alcoholic content (which excludes pretty much all the wines on the market). The crysis was connected to hard liquor, not beer or wine.
When I tried to point out this misinformation, my change has been reverted (based on the fact that the first link does say the crysis was about wine fraud, while it does not). I am confident the (incorrect) example should be removed altogether, unless backed with references that actually confirm it. Anyone?
:Luaan256 (talk) 21:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the cited references do not support the statement, and do indeed indicate that it was not wine that was involved.  So I have removed the statement.  Deli nk (talk) 01:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forgery and manipulation of wines 

message: "The term wine can also refer to the higher alcohol content of starch-fermented or fortified beverages such as barley wine or sake."
Surely 'wine' does not refer to the alcohol content but instead to the drink itself? Should it be something like: 
"The term wine can also refer to starch-fermented or fortified beverages with a higher alcohol content, such as barley wine or sake."
('higher' seems vague, but I suspect that just reflects the imprecision of the definition of wine.) 173.172.95.186 (talk) 15:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the suggestion. You are welcome to make such improvements yourself. I'll correct this one. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, I will strive for boldness. ;) 173.172.95.186 (talk) 08:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing reference to alcohol content 

message: I have deleted an obscure (and broken) link, and reverted to the traditional, and widely cited view that the origin of is in the region of Iran. This is fairly well established through genetics and archaeology, so please include multiple sources to suggest any alternative *(and pet) theories.  The inclusion of a single arcane source (via a bad link, at that), will only result in constant revisions.  Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.113.3 (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: My only comment here is similar to what I said at ANI. Please discuss first, don't edit war. Also don't make unsupported allegations about other editors, in other words don't make personal attacks, be civil and assume good faith. If you continue to have problems reaching consensus, please use some method of WP:Dispute resolution. Also I strongly suggest you start to use edit summaries. Nil Einne (talk) 08:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

text: You keep talking about a 'fake' reference but don't seem to have provided any evidence for this claim. If you're not going to provide any evidence, then you're correct there's nothing to discuss. The first reference lead to a dead link which has now been fixed, something which you could have done yourself since you suggested you found a working copy of the link. Alternatively you cold have used an appropriate tag like . Note that the fix is to an archive.org archive of the exact same URL formerly used in the article suggesting it did work at one time most likely including when it was added, and that even with the dead link, there was likely sufficient information to track down the reference even if archive.org didn't work. The second link always worked as you yourself seem to allude to. The third reference is to a book which I can see in numerous catalogs and even see a preview of in Google Books so is unlikely to be fake. While you're free to ignore my advice as an uninvolved observed, bear in my you've already been blocked once, and you've had absolutely no replies to this thread besides me perhaps partially because many people are not even aware it exists because in all your edit wars you didn't once mention you tried to explain your edits here (in addition to the other problems likely discouraging people from reply like the unsupported accusations of wrong doing. Ultimately wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopaedia not somewhere where a 'responsible person' makes a decision about what to include, and if you don't learn to collobrate you aren't likely to get far. Nil Einne (talk) 16:26, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, do you realise you were edit warring over the WP:LEAD which is mostly supposed to summarise what is in the article? And that the article itself, at least in you first edits (I did not look over the later edits made with the account) was unchanged and continued to make the Georgia claim. In fact as the guideline says, stuff covered in the lead doesn't always meed references since these should be in the article, I'm guessing a reason they are included here is because as this talk page suggests this is probably a bit of a hot button issue. Nil Einne (talk) 17:08, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obscure and broken reference (link) 

message: At what temperature does wine freeze?:  Should it be frozen?: , etc etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:50, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freezing? 

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thread_title:  Possible copyright problem 

message: In the begining of the history section following content is found: An extensive gene-mapping project in 2006 analyzed the heritage of more than 110 modern grape cultivars, narrowing their origin to a region of Georgia. It references to the following source: http://web.archive.org/web/20111005120059/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/now-thats-what-you-call-a-real-vintage-professor-unearths-8000yearold-wine-577863.html
The source article solely mentions about an 8000 year old wine pottery found in Georgia. There is nothing about gene-mapping project to be found there nor the origin of modern grape cultivars. Hence, the content is clear misinterpretetion of the source and should be deleted.--Hayordi (talk) 09:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The claim seems too specific to be completely missing from the cited source. It is quite possible that there was another source for that claim, which got lost. ~Amatulić (talk) 16:11, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is literally nothing mentioned about extensive gene-mapping project in the source. Previous revisions do not have any other sources either, wich you speculate might have got lost.--Hayordi (talk) 17:15, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a 2006 paper , but there is no mention  mention of Georgia in the abstract. Georgia is mentioned once in the full text. Perhaps it might be better to summarise this paper? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've read this article in Nature magazine a while ago. The article is indeed about gene-mapping project, but has nothin with Georgia, nor the estblishment of the origins of grape cultivars to do. If you google some more, you'll find also other gene-mapping projects (e.g. in 2010). Most of them mention parts of continents when refering to grape cultivars (e.g north-afrika, south-europe, caucasus). But non of them is trying to narrow it down to a small region of tiny country.It's beyond the absurd...--Hayordi (talk) 18:14, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

text: WP:OR EvergreenFir (talk) Please  04:49, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source misinterpretation 

message: what causes wine to go bad I think it has to do with the glass bottle kind of like plastic leaches into food. but is there a medical use for bad wine. I thing it can be used to treat radiation poisoning >>>>> what's the catch once you drink it you must add water back into the bottle and seal it up for 10,000 years and then the radio active water inside with be safe to drink//// symbolism^%urName (talk) 18:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is not a forum for discussion about the topic, but rather this page is for discussion about improving the article. If you have a question to ask about medical uses of spoiled wine and radiation treatments, please ask it at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:40, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

text: Ah yes, 10,000 years that should do it. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  radiation 

message: "There is a large range of price and quality levels; the least expensive table wines cost US$3 for a bottle http://www.businessinsider.com/why-trader-joes-wine-is-so-cheap-2014-12 and "fine wines" may cost US$30–50 for a bottle.For example, Berry Brothers & Rudd, one of the world's largest dealers, start "fine wine" prices at about £25—in March 2009 with a wine from Au Bon Climat website "Fine wine offers". "
This was the final sentence in the first paragraph. I have removed it as it is entirely US-centric. A cheap bottle of wine may be purchased for that price in the US, but you can get it cheaper in most other countries. Also, in some countries the cheapest bottle is way above that limit. Thirdly, the sentence did not specify in which country those prices applied. Finally, as an opening paragraph, any sentences in that paragraph should be about describing the subject in question, i.e. what the subject is, a brief outline in how it's made, etc. A sentence on the pricing structure for wine in one or two countries (neither of which are  even traditional growers of wine) combined with the links which, to me, seemed like blatant advertising, is not appropriate for an opening paragraph. Mac Tíre Cowag 13:14, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph edit 

message: In the health effects section I read: "Additionally, some studies have found a greater correlation of health benefits with red than white wine, though other studies have found no difference. Red wine contains more polyphenols than white wine, and these could be protective against cardiovascular disease.[106]".
Reference [106] points to this this paper, and the abstract concludes with "...it is not currently possible to define the role of wine in human health". I am not sure in this case that reference [106] supports the claim in the article, even that it "could". The abstract of the paper suggests that it is not yet known if wine is good for health or not, so we should not be using "could" here - that's just speculation. RevenDS (talk) 11:40, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for health benefits of polyphenols 

message: I checked the source for the claim, an article at about.com, and found that A) it wasn't written by an acknowledged expert in the field, and B) the sources given in that article say that the fermented beverage on the clay fragment was either made from "rice and millet" (one source), or made from "rice, honey and fruit" (the other sources), with none of the sources saying that the fermented beverage was made from grapes. So I have removed the claim in the article that . Thomas.W  talk 00:56, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The fact that the Chinese adapted their word for distilled spirits to include grape wine (jiu), suggests that grape wine is a relatively recent concept in China compared to Europe. And I wouldn't consider about.com to be a reliable source. It has some reliable writers, but pretty much anyone can become a writer for about.com; it's more or less user-generated content. ~Amatulić (talk) 05:14, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  9,100 year old Chinese "wine" 

message: This article says little about the winemaking process and nothing about the differences between red, white and rose wines. Stub Mandrel (talk) 19:59, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: excellent suggestion. I just added new sections for red, white, and rose wines with links to the corresponding main articles on those subjects. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:39, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, cheers! Stub Mandrel (talk) 19:10, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a section on mead as well. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:04, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Gaps in Article 

message: Recently, someone inserted a claim that the earliest-known wine was found in China. Unfortunately, the cited source refers only to "wine-like drinks from rice, honey and fruit". Although rice-derived "wine-like" drinks may be mentioned in the history section, I don't think it's accurate to describe them as the earliest known "wine" in the sense that this article describes it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.121.215 (talk) 23:00, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: China

message: The first sentence of the lead says "made from grapes" without other options. The second paragraph says wine can be made from other matter.  Should the first sentence have the word "generally"?  Or should the second paragraph say "the word 'wine' is also used more generally for beverages made from other matter"? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 15:06, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: most of wines yes!. LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 22:02, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  is wine just made from grapes?  

message: there many confusion with the article on the lists of wine production and consumption, there any new source about this? , instead to add 100 listes , why dont add only two or one?.
LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 21:58, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  August 2017  

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message: There remains an ongoing debate between some American Protestant denominations as to whether wine can and should be used for the Eucharist or allowed as an ordinary beverage, with Catholics and some mainline Protestants allowing wine drinking in moderation, and some conservative Protestant groups opposing consumption of alcohol altogether.
This is, of course, true as it stands. However, I have the impression that the average reader will get the impression "some say not at all, some say a tiny sip here and there" - which would not accurately describe at least the general Catholic stand. Of course, Catholics do say "in moderation". However, first, "moderation" is a virtue that everything must be subjected to in any case, not only alcohol consumption. Second, "moderation" issues practically always mean "difficult to give fix boundaries in concrete terms" (this is not the case with every virtue, but here). Third, a very rough explanation of what moderation does mean would be "first, totally avoiding utter drunkenness, defined as the point where free-will is no longer present", and then some other thoughts, most of which are as applicable to wine as they are to roast-beef (money, for instance). It is perfectly imaginable that a faithful Catholic regularly enters a state usually described as "tipsy" without breaking his moderation duties at all -
and I have some doubt whether that would come across the way it is formulated now. Any suggestions to do it in a better manner? I haven't, right now, or I'll edit myself.--2001:A61:20F5:2B01:20F5:4773:8583:21E6 (talk) 22:22, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: The article contains assertions that moderate wine consumption conveys health benefits, citing primary sources. This assertion of health benefits contradicts high-quality secondary sources and large epidemiologic studies. I am removing the "J curve" paragraph. It contradicts other information in this article that is supported by high-quality secondary sources. Sbelknap (talk) 20:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Is recent news relevant? Not that Wikipedia treats all "alcohol" in a coherent way, I guess. And not that there might be counter-evidence with regard to wine specificlaly, that may have been lost in such a large-scale global study. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The current text cites low-quality evidence, mostly from primary sources, and mentions a J-point curve, where moderate ethanol consumption gives health advantages over abstinence. This has been known to be erroneous for some time to experts in the field. Recently, a high-quality secondary source has become available, and this deprecates much of the existing text in the current version of the article. Sbelknap (talk) 03:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

text: A systematic analysis of data from the Global Burden of Disease Study, which was an observational study, found that long term consumption of any amount of alcohol is associated with an increased of risk of death in all people, and that even moderate conception appears to be risky.  Similar to prior analyses, it found an apparent benefit for older women in reducing the risks of death from ischemic heart disease and from diabetes, but unlike prior studies it found those risks cancelled by an apparent increased risk of death from breast cancer and other causes. A 2016 systematic review and meta-analysis found that moderate ethanol consumption brought no mortality benefit compared with lifetime abstention from ethanol consumption. Sbelknap (talk) 03:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection to updating the article to reflect these more recent (and more valid) studies. I say go for it. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

text: Agree. I guess the text here should match whatever is presented at Health effects of wine. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wine and mortality 

message: Alcohol and its role in the preservation of grape juice. Fermentation and its role in preservation with alchohol as a byproduct. -Inowen (nlfte) 01:20, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing 

message: What the title says. Link to this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.109.105.245 (talk) 23:56, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add wikipedia link to "Trans-Caucasia" in Etymology 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect House wine. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  signed, Rosguill talk 18:48, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  House wine listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Nobody (<<5%) in Florina (northern Greece) says "vino".
This information was just assumed because of the misleading and confusing map "Simplified Languages of Europe map.svg" which in its description says "In some cases, the area indicated for a language reflects where some of its speakers live but not necessarily where they form the majority of the population.".
It is like marking whole Germany as using the word krasi just because there are some Greek speaking people living in Germany, or marking whole Greece as using Wine (???)...
In any case, this information is wrong.
If I'd know how, i'd correct it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A546:199:0:F4EF:E4AF:D5DC:4DF0 (talk) 06:28, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect that at least one person in Florina may have uttered the word "vino" since you added your comment above. But that's just my guess, of course. The map is this one. It's not clear tome if that area of the map you seem to be referring to equates to Florina or not. Is the essential difference here between Greece and Macedonia? There is only so much detail that can be shown on a map of such a large area. But I'm sure you are welcome to make suggestions for improvement at the Talk page for that image over in Commons. Or even directly to the creator User:PiMaster3, although they do not seem to have edited at Wikipedia since November 2019 (more active in Commons). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  False information on "Map showing the word for wine in European languages" 

message: The recent additions to the lead section are very welcome, especially if they re accompanied by citations. But, as with most articles, the lead section is meant to summarize the entire article and should have nothing that is not present, with supporting sources, in the article main body. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: "Хорошая картина" - как "хорошее вино". Может жизни не хватить .. 
Бывает. 
В.В. однажды написал - "Хлебаю борщ. А душа - болит .. ?? ))) .. 176.59.208.219 (talk) 13:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pochacsher zabegayte v "1/3-kovku" .. ))) ..  

message: The text introduces several times the idea that the vikings made wine in the Americas, an idea which doesn't make any sense because they only arrived briefly into a very limited area very far in the North. On the article's beginning there is this sentence: "New World wine has some connection to alcoholic beverages made by the indigenous peoples of the Americas, but is mainly connected to later Viking area of Vinland and Spanish traditions in New Spain.[8][9]" which is only supported by a reference about "vinland" that does not contain any reference to winemaking, neither for Vikings nor American indigenous peoples. On "History" there is another link to "Vinland: The Mystical Legend of “The Land of Grapes”" that talks about legendary sagas and not about anything that has been archeologically or historically proved, as in the previous paragraphs. I would suggest that the first made up statement should be deleted and, for the second one its content should be corrected to what the referenced article actually says. --Beengorge (talk) 14:52, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fantasy viking winemaker in the Americas 

message: Is there a type of wine known as 'Less Wine'. I thought I heard it being mentioned at a conference that I attended. The butler said something about wanting to try less wine. The person sitting beside me said that she has had it on holidays and that it was amazing. 2A00:23CC:4D88:2701:65CE:C2D6:4B85:52AB (talk) 23:51, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I drink less wine whenever I visit the Middle East. Sneftel (talk) 16:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Less Wine 

message: The article says Georgian word "ghvino" is related to "vine":
:Georgian ღვინო, "ghvino" or "(grape) vine", itself derived from the Proto-Indo-European stem *win-o-
But there is no such word in Georgian for the plant; it just describes the drink. Phonetically closest one is "ვენახი", "ven-a-khi", which means vineyard, but I'm not sure if there's a connection there. Vine (plant) itself doesn't have a single word in Georgian. — 185.70.53.122 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Wine 222.127.169.38 (talk) 00:29, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filipino 

message: 2601:644:4800:2A0:DD5A:7C08:A488:175D (talk) 06:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:55, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2023 

message: The country of origin of wine listed on this Wikipedia page is listed as Georgia, however the oldest winery ever discovered is in the neighboring country of Armenia (see the following National Geographic article: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/110111-oldest-wine-press-making-winery-armenia-science-ucla). Please change the country of origin of wine from Georgia to Armenia. 47.232.166.242 (talk) 09:02, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, IP, I see that the headline there indicates this, but the source is behind a paywall for me. Can you give me the relevant quote? Valereee (talk) 12:44, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  NM, found it. That's a 2011 article; the support for Georgia is a 2017 article. Valereee (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

text: I see we have Areni-1 winery, which says "" So that might need to be corrected. But I also note that Armenian wine says: "" So likewise, currently in contradiction. There seems to be a distinction between "oldest wine producing regions" and "oldest winery"? Just sayin'. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's all a bit confusing. Confused further by the need to do math. :) I'm thinking a very recent scholarly work is what we need to be looking for? Valereee (talk) 13:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Also...any idea how to fix the archiving here? Valereee (talk) 13:19, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry not my strong subject (what is, lol). But User:Ritchie333 might be able to help? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:40, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Yes, the most recent scholarly article ought to solve all (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2024