Talk:Johnny Cash/Archive 1

message: There is some discrepancy. Johnny Cash article says "Boy named Sue" went to #3 and the Boy named Sue article that it went to #2 in the US Pop Charts. Kpjas (21:30, 13 September 2003)
:"A Boy Named Sue" was #1 for 5 weeks in 1969 on the Country charts.  It was #2 for 3 weeks on the Pop charts.  I'll correct this in the Johnny Cash article.Hayford Peirce 21:06, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: A Boy Named Sue

message: Using song titles as headings strikes me as inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. These headings mislead the reader who may be unfamiliar with Johnny Cash.  Imagine yourself, having never heard of Cash, reading this article. 
:Daddy Sang Bass- Did his father sing the bass? The heading leads me to believe that his father was a bass singer and this played a role in his early musical career.  "Papa played the Dobro" makes as much sense and Daddy Sang Bass.
:Delia's Gone - Who is Delia and what does her leaving have to do with his career in the 1990's? 
Looking at other articles with good descriptive headings (Bob Dylan, Jimmy Hendrix, Frank Sinatra, Willie Nelson, Neil Young, John Coltrane, Led Zeppelin, Nirvana, Miles Davis, etc.) shows me that a song or album title is only appropriate when it has particular importance in the career of the musician.  Why do these headings deviate so much from other Wikipedia articles about 20th century musicians?
I will wait a few days for more input before I standardize the headings. Cacophony 23:57, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Your changes do improve the sense of the article. Tiles 03:52, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings)]] 

message: I removed Cash from this category because, as far as I know, none of his grandparents were English citizens (as required by the category).  RMoloney 21:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose the category White Mutt for those of us white people who don't know what our ancestors were.--Gbleem 22:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  English American? 

message: Is there any reason why only his Grammy awards are listed?  He has also recieved several CMA awards, off the top of my head I know he recieved at least two for Hurt the year he died because I remember seeing the award show with Roseanne Cash and John Carter Cash accepting the awards for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.23.106.217 (talk • contribs)  (00:50, 20 November 2005)
:Cash's CMA awards are now there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.95.127.81 (talk • contribs)  (17:55, 23 April 2006)
::In the section entitled "The Man In Black", there is the statement: "Cash also sang a duet with Dylan on Dylan's country album Nashville Skyline, and also wrote the album's Grammy-winning liner notes."  There's a Grammy award for LINER NOTES!?!  Grammaticus Repairo 17:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, as you can easily check at the Grammy's web page . The year was 1969. -Stellmach 17:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: Please correct me if I'm wrong here. Why does Cash's infobox have an album cover in it and not a publicity photo? (Okay, rhetorical question. We probably don't have a publicity photo.) But the current image's license states:
:images of album or single covers solely to illustrate the album or single in question
:Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement
My understanding is that the image can't be used in certain contexts, mainly like the "This is Johnny Cash" type one it's being used in now. Am I misinterpreting something here or isn't this a possible copyright infringement? Mrtea (talk) 18:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image copyright infringement? 

message: I don't see anything about Johnny's broken jaw, which was poorly set and accounts for his bent face.  This gave him constant pain throughout his life, and led in some degree to his drug dependencies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.80.168.97 (talk • contribs)  (03:06, 30 December 2005)
:If you have a verifiable source for that information, please be bold and add it to the article. Jonathunder 16:53, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And remember to cite! :) Disinclination 07:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johnny's broken jaw 

message: I have a recording of him speaking in some scandinavian language to the audience before singing a song. The title of the track says live from Österåker, which I have ascertained, is in Sweden. Does anyone know anything else about this so we could mention it in the article?--Alhutch 18:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it worth mentioning, hasn't he performed on 100s of different places through his career? Btw, if you want, write a phonetic representation of the Swedish, and I see if I could understand what it means and translate it into English. 惑乱 分からん 18:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a very rough approximation of what he says. "Tak meena vinner. Yoga hopus atnee tikker oomfor muzeek. Yoga hopus atnee tikker oom may. Detta erun song om 'me and bobby mcgee'." That's the best I can do. I suppose you're right, it may not merit mentioning in the article. thanks,--Alhutch 18:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I think he tries to say something like this: "Tack, mina vänner. Jag hoppas att ni tycker om för musik.(??? This sentence actually sounds quite strange...) Jag hoppas att ni tycker om mig. Detta är en sång om 'Me and Bobby McGee'." which translates to something like "Thank you, my friends. I hope that you like my kind of music. I hope that you like me. This is a song about 'Me and Bobby McGee'" The strange grammatical syntax in the second sentence, and that it's not particularly complex makes it sound like something he just picked up for the concert. Anyway, hope this helps. 惑乱 分からん 23:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds exactly right. He was speaking sort of haltingly and in the middle it sounded like he asked someone "how am i doin'". Anyways, thanks for the translation.--Alhutch 00:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I could have guessed it. Alright, you're welcome. 惑乱 分からん 02:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sweden? 

message: There's something wrong with the timeline. Right now we have:
:"His longtime guitarist, Luther Perkins, died in a house fire in August 1968. Less than two months later, the home of his next door neighbor and close friend, Roy Orbison, burned down ... Cash was profoundly affected by these incidents, and he attempted to take the first steps on a long, hard road to recovery. He locked himself in his home and underwent detox, relying heavily on his friends, and especially Carter and her parents, Ezra and Maybelle. He and Carter were married soon after."
And we have:
:"Cash proposed onstage to Carter at a concert at the London Gardens in London, Ontario on February 22, 1968; the couple married a week later in Franklin, Kentucky."
When did they marry? --84.61.27.187 00:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. They married in March 1st. I think the first paragraph you listed must have an incorrect date (or could be following the movie timeline, Walk The Line) and should list possibly 1967 as the death of the bandmate. That would put sufficiant time between him dying, John detoxing, and then propsing to June. If they married a week later on February 22, that would put it on March 1st, as per the official website. Disinclination 07:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  timeline of his life 

message: i love johnny cash but does anyone notice that this article doesn't really contain any genuine criticism or deep analysis of the man his music or his legacy. Most of what doesn't portray him in a positive light is the same kinda stuff that people still use to glorify him as an outlaw or some one with a checkered past. I think our understanding of him would benefit from some real criticism or just counterpoints to some of what is in the article.Cesar.vialpando 02:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That could be good, but we have to use a NPOV about the whole thing; aswell as sources for criticisms.--Dp462090 00:29, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fanboy 

message: I recall Johnny Cash giving a spine-chilling reading of the first verse of "Highway 61 Revisited" ("God said to Abraham, kill me a son") in an intro to a movie.  Sadly, the movie was shite. But that reading was intense!  Any info?  --Davecampbell 11:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: GIYF - I found the movie, it's The Hunted. --Davecampbell 01:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highway 61 Revisited 

message: Will someone find the sources for the quotes on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KurtFF8 (talk • contribs)  (02:34, 28 February 2006)
: These seem to be the source, but the quotes are attributed (i.e. are said to be quotes of Johnny, but not known to have been said) to Johnny Cash, so there should be a mention of that or they should be removed.--Dp462090 23:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote Sources 

message: The article states that he married Liberto in 1955, and then proposed and married June Carter in 1968. Any verified date for his divorce from Liberto? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.159.209.102 (talk • contribs)  (00:32, 10 March 2006)
:Sometime in 1966: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0143602/bioDp462090 17:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This page contradicts Vivian's page.  One says they were married after Johnny's service was complete, the other says he was still in the service. I dunno which is correct, or I would fix it.  --68.49.47.119 12:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, according to this "On July 3, 1954 Cash was discharged from the Air Force. On August 7, 1954 he married Vivian Liberto...", but I'm not sure whether to trust that source, or not.--Dp462090 22:03, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriage & Divorce from Vivian Liberto 

message: The trivia list is just about as long as the main article. Anyone want to work on a collaborative cleanout?  Joyous | Talk 14:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking through the "trivia", a fair chunk of it restates info already covered in the article. When I get the chance, I'll see what I can do about that. Also, some of this could be regrouped under "Collaborations" or some such. Hopefully a little consolidating and regrouping will make the trivia section a lot smaller. Wahkeenah 06:26, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice if we had less "Hey some band no one has ever heard of mentioned Johnny Cash in one of their songs!" under the trivia section. --Pathogen 22:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A couple of months ago, I tried to separate "trivia" from "tributes". Looks like I need to take another look. Wahkeenah 22:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much trivia? 

message: In a related issue, "sanctimonious cloud" is not neutral and is a bit offensive to Christians.
User:216.91.36.42 20:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially to ones like yourself, hiding behind an IP address. However, I concur that it is an editorial comment. It would be fairer to say that religion became very important to him, even ferverous, as he worked out divorcing himself from his personal demons, especially substance abuse. Wahkeenah 06:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "sanctimonious cloud"

message: I don't know who it is but everytime anyone puts on a new website about Cash the next day it is gone! So why can't we have alot of website like we did a few weeks ago? -Alakey2010 April 24, 2006 | 7:24 PM
:Well, you could check the the history, but you can't just add any site, it has to have a real purpose, it can't be just some fan site(not to say what was put there was a fan site, I really have no ieda). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dp462090 (talk • contribs)  (00:34, 25 April 2006)
::It's all covered pretty clearly by Wiki policy WP:EL. Basically no fansites, spamsites etc. Some fansites are allowed to be used as support citations for actual content. Or if they are clearly authorized by the article subject or artist label, family estate and so on. Hope that helps. Take Care. Anger22 00:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop Taking Away The Website 

message: Cut from article:
:He started it because some people gave it to him. 
Who says that's the reason? This sentence removes all personal responsibility from him. "They MADE me do it?"
His decision to take addictive drugs was his own choice, I think. If he didn't know the consequences, let's describe the evidence of his ignorance. Maybe he didn't know about the concept of addiction or that the specific pills he was offered might "hook" him. --Uncle Ed 11:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One item on my to-do list is to re-read his 1997 autobio and fill in some of these gaps. He makes no "look what they made me do arguments" for anything. He was, or became, a man of brutal honesty about himself. As I recall, in general he started to take amphetamines to "keep him going" while on tour. Although he doesn't say this, that also happened to Judy Garland and probably many other performers. In Judy's case it was ultimately fatal. It almost was for Cash, but he found a way out, thanks to friends and faith. He made the analogy with alcoholism: You start drinking from the bottle, and eventually it drinks from you. His occasional relapses, especially after the bizarre incident with the ostrich, was because of painkillers he was administered, which he states as fact without offering it as an excuse. Wahkeenah 11:50, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Wahkeenah, I rather thought it was something like that. Like many Americans, I look up to Johnny Cash as a hero. Others have made mistakes and become bitter or vengeful hypocrites. Cash took the moral high road of personal responsibility and did the excruciatingly painful work of self-reformation. That's an example everyone needs to know about! --Uncle Ed 12:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drug addiction

message: I am going to revert this article to before the massive "biography" delegation that User:Lincalinca.  I am going to do so because he did not seem to do much discussion before taking his action. I like his idea of delegating some of the long lists, like all of the awards, but there is no easy way to separate out the musical importance of Cash from his celebrity, personality and family life. Really, the canonical page should be the "biography" and the long lists of awards and such can be delegated, just as the discography has been. -- 64.175.42.87 15:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drastic revert 

message: You know, the encyclopedia should really foucs on prose.  Obviously, we want to establish the importance of Johnny Cash, but these long lists of collaborations, awards, trivia, music videos and even the list list of the extended family does not really focus on Cash himself and are not very readable.  A few prose statements in the main article and the massive discography (already delegated) establish his importance.  I almost want to create a "Johnny Cash lists" page or a "Johnny Cash data" page so that we can gets these lists out of way and focus on the prose of the main article.  You know - the stuff that somebody would want to read from start to finish.  What I really need is the correct name of the "Johnny Cash lists" article.  Any ideas? --64.175.42.87 15:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to improve article quality 

message: Just realized something today... Cash's song "I've Been Everywhere" was featured in the opening of the remake of Flight of The Phoenix... while Cash was played by Joaquin Phoenix in the movie... does this qualify as trivia?  If so, where would it go? Crisco 1492 20:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not everywhere, that's for sure. Put it on the page for that song, if there is one. Also, see if the song mentions "Phoenix", and also see if you can recall which TV ad it's used in. Wahkeenah 00:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did it, it doesn't, and it's Choice Hotels. :) Wahkeenah 18:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coincidence

message: Kudos to whomever cleared up the Songwriters Hall of Fame vs. Nashville Songwriters' Hall of Fame thing, but a phonecall to the former is not a published source. However, the Songwriters Hall of Fame is online (i.e. published) and has a list of inductee exhibits. I don't see any reason to regard that as not definitive and complete, and Cash is not there. --Stellmach 17:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

message: I have tagged a number of the images on this page as fair use disputed - largely because they fail to provide fair use rationales. Please bear in mind that unless the image comes from an official source (electronic press kit ideally), the use of the promo tag is not really acceptable. Megapixie 13:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use images disputed 

message: Hi everyone, EvaBallering (talk • contribs) is trying to state over at I Walk the Line that
:...is about the cocaine addiction that Cash developed, which becomes apparent through the lines "I keep a close watch on this heart of mine" and "I keep my eyes wide open all the time".
Is that a commonly held view or one supported by Cash's self-admission in any past interviews? --   Netsnipe  (Talk)  07:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cash was addicted to pills, not cocaine. He covered a song called "Cocaine Blues", so that writer probably is a little confused. Wahkeenah 12:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope we can't take "Cocaine Blues" as authoritative, because if it is, that also means he must've shot his woman down. --Stellmach 14:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus, the song that was being quoted was about Johnny being in love with June. :) Not about cocaine. Or about Vivian, if you look on the I Walk The Line songpage here on Wikipedia. To each his or her own.Disinclination 20:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was about Vivian. It was a major hit and a great song, and it was also, ultimately, wishful thinking on Johnny's part. Wahkeenah 22:37, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I Walk the Line and Cocaine 

message: Johnny was from Arkansas. Why is he in the TN category? SlapAyoda 09:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He lived most of his life in TN, despite being born in AK.  Where are you 'from'?  The place where you were born, or the place you've lived the bulk of your life?  Alcuin 09:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's like Tiny Tim who was born in New York City, but spent his last few years in Minneapolis (where he fit right in with all these hippies here) and is categorized in "People from Minneapolis" and NOT "People from New York City", which shows how bogus those categories are anyway. Wahkeenah 11:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't suppose there's an official policy or at least a general consensus on the usage of the 'People from...' categories, is there? I've been looking around and they seem to be rather inconsistent from article to article. SlapAyoda 13:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "From" is too vague. "Born in" and "Resident of" would be much clearer. Now all someone has to do is modify a few thousand articles to fix that problem. Wahkeenah 22:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But he was raised in Arkansas.  I think where a person is raised and orginally from is pretty important.  216.98.171.44 23:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said 4 months ago, the category "from"-wherever is poorly defined and poorly used. Wahkeenah 00:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why People from Tennesee? 

message: Shouldn't something about the song Coldplay wrote for him be included...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilyyyy (talk • contribs)  (05:58, 14 August 2006)
:See the collaborations section of Johnny Cash discography Alcuin 13:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Til Kingdom Come 

message: I was talking to someone and they said that Johnny was in so much pain and missed his wife June Carter that he loved so much that he took too many of his pain killers just to stop all the pain and go home. When I heard this I thought this was crazy but I got to thinking that June Carter was not there to stop him anymore and well...maybe...he..did? Does anyone think this too? - Alakey2010 10:17 p.m., 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:According to the last interview conducted in Time magazine, as well as outside sources, he refused any pain killers- even after undergoing painful jaw surgery. Recording with Rick Rubin & his faith are what helped him deal with all the pain. No other sources to dispute this have surfaced.Rsm99833 03:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, as I recall this dates back to his trip into detox after getting hooked on his painkillers after (strange to say) that ostrich attack. Certainly with a lot of powerful painkillers being contraindicated by his history of addiction, you'd expect it to have excited more attention from somebody if he were even prescribed them. -Stellmach 22:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Night Cash Died 

message: The song Busted leads to another page with no mention whatsoever of Johnny Cash.  Is the page being linked to just uninformative or is the link sloppy and wrong?  Did Johnny Cash cover the song from 2001?  -- Horkana 05:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nor do the links :Big River, :Second Honeymoon, :Bad News, :Rock Island Line, :Flesh and Blood, :Allegheny, and :Mobile Bay lead any place particularly useful.  And several of the other links lead to articles about albums, not their title tracks.  So, "sloppy and wrong" would be correct; it needs a lot of cleaning up.  This whole thing should also more properly be organized under :Johnny Cash discography anyway.  -Stellmach 15:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whew. I moved the entire section over to Johnny Cash discography and removed the unnecessary Wiki links; I also corrected a couple of the latter. It's a gigantic section, so I'm undecided on whether it should actually be anywhere, but on the other hand, it is quite informative and it's useful to have all this info in one place (I myself know that it's hard work checking each of the album pages if one's interested in singles charts; plus, some of Cash's singles were never released on an album). We might not be able to get the article back to featured status just yet, but moving everything to where it belongs will definitely help. In any case, I just wanted to thank the original Wikipedian who inserted the singles list on the page, because it seems quite obvious that it was rather tiring. Cromag 21:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Busted? 

message: The wiki for Johnny says he was 71 when he died. Yet Rosanne Cash's page says she's 59, that would make Johnny 12 years old when Rosanne was born. Somewhere there is a mistake. Rosanne is either younger, or Johnny was older.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.133.69.65 (talk) 09:42, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something Doesn't Add Up 

message: Opus88888 has taken it upon himself to repeatedly blank out the referenced claim that Cash is "one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century", simply because Opus regards this as "exaggeration".  I warned Opus not to remove sourced information without offering a sufficient reason, but he ignored me, and even encouraged me to report him for vandalism.  It does not matter if Opus regards the claim as exaggeration, in fact, it does not matter what Opus or any other editor thinks, referenced information cannot be removed simply because we disagree with it.  Period.  I encourage other editors to join in this discussion. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 14:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Cash is "one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century" is indeed an exaggeration and is not what the cited source says. The unnamed writer of the obituary in Eugene's The Register-Guard describes Cash as "one of the most influential pupular (sic) music stars – especially in the areas of country music and rock 'n' roll – of the 20th century." The exaggeration is made worse by linking to 20th-century music, a vast field where Cash's influence is obviously limited. Moreover, the principles outlined at WP:NEWSORG recommend to disregard a statement like this altogether. On balance, given the prominent position of this claim and the principle of "extraordinary claims need extraordinary sources", I agree with its removal. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:29, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for examining the issues involved, Michael.  I have no opinion about the claim one way or the other, though there is also an NYT ref. for the claim, as well.  My point from the beginning, and what I said above, is that he offered no valid reason, never even attempted to do so, for his blanking the information.  He is just as capable as you or I to come to the talk page and make his case for it's removal.  I believe valid sources can be found for the claim, but that does not mean it belongs in the lede. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 01:42, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your point that User:Opus88888 should have engaged in discussion. BTW, I can't see how the NYT article supports this specific claim ("most influential"); the author, Stephen Holden, mentions JC's influence on rock 'n' roll and writes of his "incalculable influence on music", but I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean (all of) "the music of the 20th century". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:49, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A more narrow wording about his influence on rock and country would be easier to cite.  The music of the 20th century link should never have been added, clearly. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 14:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most influential musicians 

message: The article's assertion Though he did not have Native American ancestry may require references; in Pete Seeger's Rainbow Quest (around the 32:00 mark) John tells Pete that he was part Cherokee and "proud of it", and whether or not he was, he certainly believed he was at the time of writing those songs. --Teledyn (talk) 15:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American Heritage 

message: I have been doing independent research on Johnny Cash's humanitarian and activist work.  I have compiled several credible sources while doing this research that I would be glad to share to help improve Cash's Wikipedia page.  I do not, however, know how to cite articles on the Wikipedia page.  If I supplied links to the sources, is there anyone who would be willing to create a properly cited "Humanitarianism and Activism" section to Cash's page?  There is certainly enough material to justify a section. (Darth Septic (talk) 02:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Humanitarianism and Activism 

message: The book reportedly does not hold back any details about the darker side of Johnny Cash and includes details about his affair with his pregnant wife June Carter's sister.[95]
is a bit awkward in the wording department. How about "The book reportedly does not hold back any details about the darker side of Johnny Cash and includes details about his affair with June Carter's sister, which occurred while June Carter was pregnant.[95]"? 168.159.213.58 (talk) 18:35, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awkward wording 

message: why not?
108.225.164.224 (talk) 18:51, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2014 

message: Why does it say "John R. "Johnny" Cash"? His name was JR. Just the initials. His birth name is stated correctly in the background information section. His name was not, and has never been John. His family called him JR, his wife called him JR and he was registered as JR. His stage name was Johnny.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fndeboer (talk • contribs) 18:45, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you look at the inscription on his grave? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: … and http://www.johnnycash.com/biography.html ? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:29, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

text: The article clearly states that he changed his name to John R for military service, and since he bought his first guitar while stationed in Germany, that pre-dates his celebrity. --Teledyn (talk) 15:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  His Name 

message: In the section on Cash's early life, he is listed as the fourth of five children, but when the names of the siblings are given it appears that there were in fact seven children in the Cash family. One or other of these pieces of information is clearly wrong; I'm guessing the former but perhaps a Cash expert out there could set the record straight one way or the other.Brooklyn Eagle (talk) 22:38, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected.  Thanks for pointing this out, Brooklyn Eagle. -- WV ● ✉ ✓  22:49, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something else that doesn't add up 

message: In the info box should it say which were his biological and/or step children?  I couldn't work it out from his page and had to click on the individual links (where there are any) to find out. 109.149.66.89 (talk) 20:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good question.  I don't know that WP:BLP or WP:MOS guidelines have any specific criteria where this is concerned, but it seems to me if the children were legally adopted, convention would be not to make that distinction, at least not in the infobox.   These distinctions should, however, generally be discussed in the prose sections and in this case the article could stand for a little more detail as regards familial relationships. Snow talk 09:22, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children 

message: It's purely a stylistic matter, but I much favour :File:JohnnyCash1969.jpg for the infobox photo; it captures Cash closer towards the middle of his career (and arguably at the height of his popularity) and typifies the "Man in Black" persona and image that came to be so closely associated with him.  And I just think it's a more encyclopedic-looking choice for lead photo than an autograph.  Thoughts? Snow talk 09:17, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can I get some thoughts on a change of photo for the infobox? 

message: Please add in after "Cash felt great compassion for prisoners.", even though he only spent three days in jail during his entire life. 
["Cash, Johnny - At Folsom Prison." Encyclopedia of Popular Music, 4th ed. Ed. Colin Larkin. Oxford Music Online. Oxford University Press. Web. 23 Feb. 2015.]
Todwoodrow (talk) 00:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , on AGF.  G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 20:20, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2015 

message: The article doesn't indicate what the R stands for in his name. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 18:47, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The "R" doesn't stand for anything.  His parents named him "J.R." but he was not permitted to use initials as his legal first (and middle) name in joining the Air Force, so self-selected "John" as his first name (and legally changed it). Hence the "R" is just "R".Dwpaul Talk    19:03, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  This should be indicated (that the R doesn't stand for anything). I'm sure one of the biographies can be used as a citation. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 22:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in the early life section. --Onorem (talk) 22:18, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  If anyone has an account with TV Tropes.org, they say the R stands for Robert. If that's erroneous, someone might want to go over there and correct it. See . 68.146.52.234 (talk) 22:54, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  As an avid WWII researcher, I've come across many instances in which a person with only initials for a given name has served in the United States Armed Forces under just those initials, so I don't see that as a likely explanation as to how/why he adopted the name John R.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.10.86 (talk) 17:41, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is what our cited source (the Streissguth biography) says here.  Unless you can find another citable source with another theory, that is what the article should state.  Dwpaul Talk    17:46, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have taken this from the article: "Johnny was listed as John R Cash in the 1940 census. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQKF-J35 " No doubt people will describe it as original research, but it does cast doubt on the story given in the article.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:19, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: What does the "R" stand for in his name?

message: I have rewritten the paragraph involving this infamous recording, as the latest major biography of Cash, Robert Hilburn's Johnny Cash: A Life, gives a completely different account of how the song came to be, most significantly, that Cash did not record it to sabotage his contract; Columbia offered it to him and Cash was hoping for another A Boy Named Sue, and he only soured on the song when Waylon Jennings said he looked silly in the music video. Since the previous account did not have a citation, I have replaced it with this major source. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be good to get another source on this. Who wrote the song? I don't think it's a bad song in any case, and it's not out of line with other humourous songs Cash performed. There are other websites which repeat the previous account, but they aren't reliable sources, and could be based on Wikipedia.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:44, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: According to sources like Discogs.com and this, it was written by Gary Lee Gentry, who also wrote "We Didn't See a Thing" for George Jones and Ray Charles.  Very little about him online though. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:54, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The origin seems mysterious. Did Gentry write a parody of Cash and then offer it to Columbia for Cash to sing?--Jack Upland (talk) 09:26, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some background information here.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:50, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the book I sourced for this information. Hilburn was a journalist who profiled Cash for decades and he wrote the book based on interviews done with Cash himself, among others. As the most recent major biography of Cash it's probably safe to call it a definitive source unless a reliable source is located to debunk the story. It should also be noted that YouTube has a 1984 Christmas Special that Johnny Cash made for TV that features the Chicken in Black video near the very start of the show. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 02:55, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  This 2014 article in The Guardian about the Out Among the Stars album also gives a similar story regarding Chicken in Black, that it was an earnest recording and not a protest:  68.146.52.234 (talk) 19:19, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Chicken in Black

message: Has there been anything written about Cash's unusual guitar playing style? Many clips of him performing show him strumming his guitar way up on the frets. Was this possibly an attempt at doing the "boom-chicka-boom" effect without the piece of paper under the strings? 68.146.52.234 (talk) 02:55, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitar playing style

message: Johnny Cash was the first punk?  And this is what opens his legacy?  Sorry, but the sources say nothing of the sort, and the misinterpreted claim is ludicrously UNDUE.  What's worse is that Jack Upland has nearly WP:3RRed despite having already been warned. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The history shows you abusively deleted someone else's text (not mine) on the grounds that it didn't fit the two sources given. Attempting to take notice of your complaints, I then substituted a reworded text which quoted one of the sources, which you also deleted, saying that I shouldn't "misrepresent the sources in such a bald-faced manner". These sources were entitled "The Original Punk Rocker" and "Johnny Cash Made the Most Punk Rock Album Ever. In 1969." I don't think any of the deleted sentences were bald-faced misrepresentations. I didn't comply with your request to take it to the talk page, because I really have nothing much to say about whether Cash was a punk. But "Hurt" was one of his last hits...--Jack Upland (talk) 04:40, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article claimed "Cash's rebellious image and often anti-authoritarian stance have been credited by some with influencing punk rock."—a claim not made in either of the sources cited.  Aggravating this egregious misrepresentation of the sources, this was the opening sentence of the "Legacy" section.  This is unacceptable, and reinstating (even reworded versions of) the text is even worse. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Why??? My rewording actually quoted from one of the articles. How would you sum up the articles accurately??? And how is a complaint about the placement of text a justification for deleting it???--Jack Upland (talk) 06:02, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wouldn't, unless there were some sort of general consensus on Cash's relation to punk.  On top of that, you're otherwise claiming his primary legacy is his (extraordinarily tenuous if at all existent) relation to punk—actual giving it more prominence than his relation to, y'know', country music. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:16, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you just object to the topic being mentioned. OK, but I don't really understand the "filth and the fury".--Jack Upland (talk) 07:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you're grasping at straws and have made no effort to comprehend why the material might be objectionable. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:20, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abuse of sources and edit warring 

message: In the 2nd para, we have ...presence in four major music halls of fame:... which are named, but in the next sentence we see ...and only Hank Williams Sr., Jimmie Rodgers, Bob Wills, and Bill Monroe share the honor with Cash of being in all three.  So what's what here?  Which 3?  Or should that be four?  203.59.137.85 (talk) 09:33, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards and Honours 

message: This statement "an era in which oil companies made high profits while consumers suffered through high gasoline prices and shortages" is unsubstantiated, inflammatory and not necessary.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeromeg52 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the reference to profits and have added a link to the 1970s energy crisis so readers can understand the context.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:59, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "High profits"?  By what standard?  Compared to what? 

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message: I had removed the sentence "During the last stage of his career, Cash covered songs by several late 20th-century rock artists, notably "Hurt" by Nine Inch Nails, "One" by U2, and "Personal Jesus" by Depeche Mode." from the lead.   restored it saying "It is sourced and covered in detail later in the article." TheOldJacobite did remove One by U2.  My question is where is this sourced and covered in detail later in the article?  The only place "Depeche Mode" and "Personal Jesus" are mentioned inthe article is in that sentence. "Hurt" and "Nine Inch Nails" are mentioned in the "Last Years" section in this sentence; "The video for "Hurt," a cover of the song by Nine Inch Nails, from American IV, received particular critical and popular acclaim."  (With the citation needed tag)  "Hurt" is mentioned again in the "Legacy" section, but just that a museum that later burned down was featured in the music video.  "Hurt" is again mentioned in the "Awards and honors" section.  Where it was nominated for 6, winning 1 VMA.  I do not see how that sentence is sourced or discussed in detail any where in the article.  ~ GB fan 16:47, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That sentence does encapsulate the last phase of his career pretty well. He covered several popular songs in his last album releases and the music video for "Hurt" got tons of airplay. Even Trent Reznor would comment on how good the cover was. That said, this phase of Cash's career is woefully covered in the article body and you are correct that it isn't adequately written about or sourced. I'd be inclined to leave that sentence in the lead, copy it into the Last Years section, and tag it as needing sources. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 17:19, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think it belongs in the lead.--Jack Upland (talk) 22:30, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead is supposed to summarize the information in the article.  That sentence does not summarize what the rest of the article says and isn't sourced.  Why does it belong?  ~ GB fan 22:56, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've now added more detail about these final releases in the "Last years" section including citations to secondary sources discussing the releases and their reception. I think an argument could be made for making "Last years" a subheading of "Career" instead of its own section since it discusses some of his final releases. Hopefully you are satisfied that this addresses your concerns. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 23:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence in Lead 

message: As of 2017-06-05, the second paragraph of the "Early life" section begins, "At birth, Cash was named J. R. Cash.[23] When Cash enlisted in the United States Air Force, he was not permitted to use initials as a first name,[citation needed] so he changed his name to John R. Cash. In 1955, when signing with Sun Records, he took Johnny Cash as his stage name.[8] The Cash children were Roy, Margaret Louise, Jack, J. R., Reba, Joanne, and Tommy. Tommy Cash also became a successful country artist.[24][25] In March 1935, ... ."   
I'm confused by jumping from 1932 to 1955 to 1935.  "The Cash children" are Johnny's sibs or children?  
Beyond clarifying "The Cash children", I think the 1955 event might be better later in this section.  DavidMCEddy (talk) 03:16, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope I've clarified this. I think the information about his name should be kept together, but in a separate paragraph to minimise the confusion with chronology.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:53, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing "Early life" 

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