Talk:Twin cities (geographical proximity)

message: Shouldn't Twin Cities be moved to twin cities (currently non-existent)? Because it's any twin cities (common noun), not like "The Twin Cities of  Buda-Pest" (which can probably not be written with all cap anyway, since it's not an official name and probably nobody calls them like that). --Menchi 08:45 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)
: Moved. --Menchi 05:24, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title capitalization 

message: I put the "merge" label lackig a better one.
A clear cut must be done between the two notions. Let us face it: "twin cities" requires a normal disambiguation, rather than tweaking with article names. I am pretty sure that 80% of links to Twin cities must in fact go to "Twin towning".
A significant part of "Twin cities" must be moved to "town twinning", including a part of the list.
Mikkalai 02:04, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Town twinning for further discussion. Eugene van der Pijll 13:06, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Town twinning]] vs [[Twin cities]] 

message: I have lived in the Baltimore - Washington area my whole life, and other than being two big metro areas, there is nothing in common between the two cities. They are seperated by 45 miles.
I would like someone to point us to a source that specifically shows how the goverments of Baltimore City and the District co-operate and are "Twins"
Just because the airport used to be called BWI (It's now the Thurgood Marshall Baltimore Washington International Airport; What is with this area and long airport names, like the (Ronald) Regan (George) Washington National Airport), that doesn't make them twin cities.
: Actually, as a Baltimorean myself, I do think that Baltimore and D.C. are symbiotic, if not twins. They're certainly not twin cities in the sense that most of this article means - they're not next to each other, for one thing. However, "Baltimore-Washington" is an entity in its own right, because their suburbs have merged: picking a random person from Central Maryland, for instance, you wouldn't be able to guess which city they "belonged" to. On the Washington Metro, you see advertisements for housing in Baltimore. The two cities are no longer independent of each other... but they still sort of think they are, so calling them "twin cities" is probably still a stretch. 69.140.12.199 00:45, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So the more appropriate term would seem to be 'conurbation', but not 'twin city'. -- Adz|talk 01:13, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baltimore - Washington??? 

message: What about Tongzhou and Langfang? --Dpr 03:05, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: China

message: I am leaving it, although I am skeptical. 
There are cultural differences, and Oakland could be viewed as a seprate city (very distinct center) or a suburb (large SF commuter population), but I am not sure of twin. And if oakland is in there, why not Berkeley, possibly even just Berkeley and Oakland?
*Or for that matter, San Jose, which is larger than either Oakland or 'Frisco, right? I think the Bay Area cities are too far apart, but that also depends on whether you consider Dallas and Fort Worth to be "twin" cities. Wahkeenah 05:26, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Francisco - Oakland 

message: I am leaving it, although I am skeptical (to quote the above entry)
Orange County has quite a few of these smaller cities that all have run together and Anaheim and Santa Ana don't seem to deserve any special picking-out.  I have never before heard them called 'Twin Cities'.
Greg 19:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anaheim - Santa Ana 

message: St. Anthony was never a different city than Minneapolis. St. Anthony is minneapolis, or, rather, the old name of it. It wasn't a twin city, it is minneapolis Thanatosimii 20:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not quite true.  As the main article states, St. Anthony and Minneapolis were separate for a time -- the former actually becoming incorporated a year sooner than Minneapolis proper.  The two merged in 1872 (see the Minneapolis, MN article).  The area north and east of the Mississippi River that is still Minneapolis is the old St. Anthony area (known as NE Minneapolis now).  There is also a suburb called St. Anthony, which is not the same as the earlier area (now part of Minneapolis), although it borders this area.  In any case, St. Paul is Minneapolis' Twin, not St. Anthony --Rehcsif 20:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minneapolis' twin city 

message: This page is in perilous violation of the rules about "original research" on wikipedia.  The definition of "twin cities" is not sourced anywhere - it's just completely made up, based on the perceptions of wikipedia editors of what constitutes a set of twin cities.  Furthermore, the list is unsourced and is similarly based on editor's opinions of what is and isnt a "twin city".  -Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 21:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, here's the deal, as nobody wants to discuss this.  I'm going to wait another few days, and then I'm going to delete all of the entries on the list that don't have a citation.  Currently this is just a list of every city (or town or village) in the world that happens to have another city (or town or village) nearby.  Only a small handful of these examples (such as Minneapolis-St. Paul) hold up with sources. Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 18:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted the entire list.  If people want to add things back they can do so with sources that clearly identify the example as being a "twin city."  As it is right now, the only readily available sources refer to Minneapolis/St Paul.  -Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 00:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, clean this page up, no sources on anything.Patcat88 (talk) 08:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting the list 

message: I rediscovered a book which lists city nicknames, including "Twin Cities" and variants: "Nicknames and Sobriquets of U.S. Cities, States, and Counties" by Joseph Nathan Kane and Gerard L. Alexander (Scarecrow, 1991,  ).  (I've read the 1965 predecessor, and I'm assuming that names in the newer edition are not as obsolete.)  Perhaps that can be used to reconstruct a list. Mapsax 19:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: This article consists almost entirely of a section called "Definition" that doesn't define anything. All it does is say that some cities considered "twin cities" are this way and some are that way. Some are this other way and some are that other way. And by the way, here are some examples of twin cities. And here is some more trivia. And here are some more random examples.
There is no indication of any significant uniting characteristic of twin cities in general that make them worthy of encyclopedic note. Rather, the term appears to be a generic expression applied loosely to various pairs of cities around the world, of no more encyclopedic interest than the phrase "big city" or an article on "famous Susans". Perhaps it would be better placed in Wiktionary. —Largo Plazo 14:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messy article 

message: I think ther must be set a strict distinction for "twin cities" wich did not grow together from two different city, but, on the opposite way, originally there was one city which was divided (usually by newly created state borders). E.g. from this list Gornja Radgona was originally a part of the Austrian Bad Radkersburg and the two cities were divided by the Austrian - Yugoslavian (Kingdom of Serbia-Croatia-Slovenia those days) border in 1919. It's the same story for Zgorzelec/Görlitz, Tesin/Cieszyn, and (which is not listed) Frankfurt/Slubice. There are lots of examples in Central Europe where new borders that did not have any historical traditions were drawn to the maps after World War I often using geographical objects such as rivers as new state border - even if these new borders divided cities, towns and villages.  Attus (talk) 12:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that divided cities don't belong under this definition and should be a separate entry. As an alternative, the definition could be revised. I might add that the divided cities of Zgorzelec/Görlitz and Frankfurt/Slubice are the result of WW II, not WW I. Another major example of a divided city after WW II is Berlin (1949-1990). --82.135.32.38 (talk) 12:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Divided cities 

message: There needs to be a clear, objective definition of what we're talking about in this article.  What are the criteria for something being a twin city?  Here are some problematic inclusions on the list:
* In the text, Budapest is mentioned as the most famous example.  Is Budapest still a twin city?  It's one city merged from two.
* Dallas-Ft. Worth is mentioned, but the cities are not even contiguous, and generally people use DFW to refer to the entire Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex area, including Arlington, Denton, Plano, etc.  Is being contiguous a requirement?  If not, what about cities like Seattle-Tacoma, Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, or New York-Newark?
* Fort Erie, Ontario and Buffalo, New York is listed, but Buffalo/Niagara Falls is not, even though they share the same airport and transportation system. Buffalo and Ft. Erie are connected by a single bridge.
--Torc2 20:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearer definitions needed 

message: Lets try to find examples of someone referring to two cities as "Twin Cities" at least locally. For example, Lewiston, Maine and Auburn, Maine are often called "The Twin Cities" (google Lewiston Auburn Twin Cities and you find lots of press articles and official websites mentioning such. Cambridge, Massachusetts and Somerville, Massachusetts are definitely not, google them and Twin Cities and you find mentions of tanning salons near the border that are called Twin Cities.
SO: Find a good citation, and link it as an example after the entry. Something in the press, from a major institution (a college, etc) or on an official city website. Don't just put any podunk town down because the town next door is called West Podunk.
Oh, and if a pair has a Wikipedia article (the Twin Cities, the Twin Ports) it's hunky dory.
Ofsevit (talk) 00:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations Citations Citations

message: I thought the tri-cities were Kitchener, Waterloo, and Cambridge.  How does Guelph figure into things? --  timc  talk   05:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kitchener, Waterloo, and Guelph? 

message: Can someone explain to me why we shouldn't delete the lists on this page?  They are all unsourced and only a few examples are even capable of being sourced.  -Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 21:21, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please go ahead and delete all unsourced entries. 92.40.65.183 (talk) 16:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At least in my area, the lists are complete and accurate, so why delete that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edbrown05 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List delete 

message: This page needs a ton of work. I just deleted this section:
===Resistance to merging===
Bloomington and Normal, Illinois have always rebuffed any merger referendum, and where the original boundary is named "Division Street". In England, the cities of Leeds and Bradford are very close, but have strong separate identities and would not see themselves as part of the same entity. Both cities have individual cathedrals and councils, as well as having separate sports teams.
Division Street is a very common street name in the U.S. and elsewhere. The info on Leeds and Bradford is unsourced and really irrelevant. innotata Talk Contribs 17:45, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resistance to merging 

message: Bloomington and Normal, Illinois have always rebuffed any merger referendum, and where the original boundary is named "Division Street". In England, the cities of Leeds and Bradford are very close, but have strong separate identities and would not see themselves as part of the same entity. Both cities have individual cathedrals and councils, as well as having separate sports teams.
Division Street is a very common street name in the U.S. and elsewhere. The info on Leeds and Bradford is unsourced and really irrelevant. innotata Talk Contribs 17:45, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Resistance to merging

message: How about Ottawa, Ontario and Hull, Quebec?
It seems like one of the more obvious ones to me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.7.210.51 (talk) 14:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  One more example 

message: If a two towns that are fairly close to each other but are relatively independent grow into each other, then you could say they are twinned.
But surely if a single town is founded on or near a border, and the growth of the town means some suburbs, or even the main business district of the town is now on the other side of the border, surely it is still one town. The parts of the town over the border are not twinned with itself. A state line through a town doesnt automatically create twins. Newark is not a twin of New York. So I'm having trouble with the constant reference of Bristol TN/VA being referred to as a twin city of itself. Surely a requiste of a twin is that they have different names!  210.7.132.80 (talk) 02:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Border towns arent twin cities with themselves 

message: There is almost 40 km of more or less unpopulated place between Vienna and Bratislava (unlike Ulm and Neu-Ulm or Radgona and Gornja Radgona which are sepreated by a river, or Gorica nad Nova Gorica which are merely separated by an (artificial) state border), so they can not really form a twin city if you'd ask me.  --Smihael (talk) 20:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vienna and Bratislava 

message: ... If only because in wide usage, places like Bristol Tennessee/Virginia or Texarkana Texas/Arkansas are widely described as "Twin cities".  I agree that the list needs to be properly managed, but if cities like that are specifically excluded, then the article does not itself properly represent the full usage of the term "twin city".  I would rather that fixed the lead to include cities in close geographic proximity even if they share a name, since practice in the world does that too.  Consider Here which shows how the two Bristols are called "Twin Cities" and here shows same for Texarkana.  I agree the article needs to be consistent, but I think we address the consistancy by representing what the world outside of Wikipedia considers to be "twin cities" and not what we want them to be; if that means fixing the lead to include cities like the two Bristols or the two Texarkanas, then we should do that rather than remove cities from the list that a plethora of other sources calls Twin Cities.  --Jayron32 23:22, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perhaps the main definition needs broadening 

message: Surely Kansas City, Missouri, and Kansas City, Kansas should be included in the North America section? Rcsprinter (state) @ 12:18, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Kansas City is a single-core city split over a state line.  And even if you were to consider KCK to have had a separate identity historically, you'd have to grant the same to North Kansas City, and probably Independence.  But if we're extending the definition that far, pretty much substantial community in human history would be eligible for this list.  In general this list needs pruning, not expansion.  — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 13:03, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I also believe not. The name of Kansas City, Kansas causes a lot of confusion. It is a suburb on par with Independence.  It was settled nearly fifty years after Kansas City, Missouri and doesn't match the economic, historic, and cultural prominence of Independence, Missouri or Overland Park, Kansas (though no so much on the history there). You'll notice it is only the third largest city in the metro area and only makes it that far because of a fairly recent city-county consolidation  this article explains some of the history a little deeper than the usual municipal government website might but it is by no means academic. Grey Wanderer (talk) 03:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Kansas City

message: Is there a general demonym for a resident of twin cities? Having previously lived in Minneapolis/St. Paul, I've frequently heard "Twin Citian" but I'm not sure if that is only used locally. 2620:0:1000:330A:1260:4BFF:FE68:1D1D (talk) 21:27, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demonym? 

message: * Hubli and Dharwad, India
Harshu625 (talk) 08:06, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not cite reliable sources to back up your request, the "reference" you have added is meaningless. - Arjayay (talk) 10:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done per Hubli-Dharwad and this. — LeoFrank  Talk 10:11, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not done: It's already present in the article. — LeoFrank  Talk 10:13, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2014 

message: * Guntur and Vijayawada, India
Harshu625 (talk) 08:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, the "reference" you have added is meaningless. - Arjayay (talk) 10:05, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2014