Talk:Michael Abney-Hastings, 14th Earl of Loudoun

message: Stop writing rubbish about extremely dodgy legal claims made by television documentaries. Ta. Proteus (Talk) 16:38, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think this page is implying he IS king? I think it is only suggesting that,the docco presents an arguement that the bloodline was incorrect.....  Fix it if you think the writing is POV.. hell I didnt write any of it! - UnlimitedAccess 17:50, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't talking to you. :-) (And I've rewritten it before, and people just come along and insert rubbish again. I'm too tired at the moment. I'll do it later...) Proteus (Talk) 18:12, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah I know..  :P, okay you do it when you feel up for it.. just dont go overkill on the "even if he wants to be king he cant be because it doesnt work that way".. :P - UnlimitedAccess 18:25, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: The material in this article on the historical titles in which the English crown descended is very interesting and useful.  I wonder, though, if it is appropriate to the article on Lord Loudoun.  Is there somewhere else we could logically move it to? john k 22:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: To the anonymous "rayal"ist: I notice that most of the article refers to "Abney-Hastings" rather than "Lord Loudoun"; it would appear that he does not use the title, so don't blame him for having it.  Upon inheriting the title in 2002 he had one year to disclaim it for life under the Peerage Act 1963; perhaps he was not a firm republican at that time, or did not choose to bother with the formality.  (Later insertion: Maybe he promised his mother not to. 22:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To reply two years later: I'm afraid writs of acceleration were abolished in 1999. Craigy (talk) 19:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That article says only that they lost their usefulness in 1999. —Tamfang (talk) 04:35, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Why is the legitimacy of either Edward IV, or any member of the House of York, relevant to the legitimacy of the current monarchy? Henry VII (who succeeded the House of York in 1485) had nothing to do with the House of York- the Tudor family was a cadet branch of the House of Lancaster, descended from John of Gaunt son of Edward III (and therefore, as per the requirement given on the page, descended from Henry II in a fully legitimate line, if John of Gaunt's children by Katherine Swynford are accepted as legitimate). All subsequent monarchs' claims to the throne are based on their descent from Henry VII. Mick is unfortunately not descended from Henry VII. B.t.w. I am a repubican, but not for reasons concerning the royal family's ancestry! BartBassist (talk) 11:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cf. act of settlement...it's an act of the Parliament anyway --82.113.121.103 (talk) 02:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does he have a claim to the throne at all? 

message: Some parts of the article are not encyclopedic in tone, for example asking questions and answering them. Andjam 03:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It also lacks sources. Andjam 04:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone of article 

message: more learned minds might think differently, but as a layperson it does seem to me that the story told of the contested crowning of Edward IV on the Edward IV of England page is stating objections that are only countered on this page; this is maybe another good reason to centralize the succession discussion to one common page linked into the various participant pages.
God save King Mick.  How could anyone not support a fork-lift driving Aussie king named Mick? --64.235.110.181 12:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  compare to Edward IV 

message: * 
- UnlimitedAccess 02:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I lol'ed 

message: Where was he actually born? It just says "British born" and mentions the fact that he studied at Ampleforth College (in North Yorkshire) before moving to Australia. - Yorkshirian (talk) 19:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ashby de la Zouche --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 19:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. I'm not sure.  It was a presumption.  If you have a source saying this then no doubt it's accurate.  He did live in Ashby though. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the England & Wales Births Index of September 1942 (as Michael E. Lord), his birth was registered in the district of Uckfield, so Sussex seems to be correct. Craigy (talk) 19:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Place of Birth?

message: In the table of Mr Abney-Hastings' children, their courtesy titles are prefixed with "The". I happened to be reading Wikipedia's lengthy article on courtesy titles and it says that they never have a "The" prefix, because "The" indicates the substantive holder of a title. Does anybody know better? Should I – or someone else – remove the "The"s?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.198.124 (talk) 09:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Children's Courtesy Titles

message: Can you legitimately call someone a pretender, who "has expressed no interest in pursuing his claim to the nonexistent throne, although he is amused by it."  This whole claim violates WP:FRINGE. Agricolae (talk) 23:45, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The way it is used in wikipedia, is someone who has a claim to a throne, whether or not anyone advances it. Tinynanorobots (talk) 06:34, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pretender? 

message: This is fundamentally and article about the man. It has to include the claim as presented by Britain's Real Monarch because were it not for this WP:Fringe BBCChannel4 production, Abney-Hastings would not merit a page at all. The rest of the discussion of rights to rule is less appropriate, primarily talking about what arguments could be made, and not what arguments have been made in scholarly discussion of the issue (which has received no traction at all in the scholarly literature). Editors shouldn't be arguing the issue themselves. I have removed it all. Agricolae (talk) 17:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Competing claims 

message: Michael's only uncle died in WWII in 1944 when Michael was 2 years old. At the time his grandmother would have still been the queen in the alternative royal line. Under normal rules the throne would have passed to Michael's mother in 1960 when his grandmother died. He would have inherited the alternative throne in 2002 when his mother died. So following the normal rules of male preference primogeniture he would have become king in 2002 at the age of 60. I do not understand the comments about his claim dating back to 1944. Someone made up that section. The BBC website says clearly that both his grandmother and his mother should have been queens. I elect to remove all references to his uncle.Pacomartin (talk)
I believe it's based on the idea that women can only transmit claims to the throne, not reign themselves, which was supposedly a principle of English medieval law.  So, basically, complete OR. john k (talk) 23:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Queens did not rule England until Mary. Typically lines of alternate succession assumes that the rules of succession do not change, but the Channel 4 website lists Queens as ruling, a list based on older succession rules and would be kings, may give you a different "real monarch" Tinynanorobots (talk) 07:29, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial Date of Pretender Claim 

message: OK  so if this is an unbroken male line,   how come the actual list of his descent from Edward III  at the "alternative succession to the british throne" article  includes Anne de Mortimer and Catherine Hastings in it ? Eregli bob (talk) 10:46, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention the also "broken" male line from Henry I through Matilda to Henry II.Eregli bob (talk) 10:47, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Abney-Hastings would be the monarch based on an unbroken line of Male Preference Primogeniture  

message: Here is an article I found on him that may be of use to editors it gives a little more detail on the claim than is presented in the wiki-article here.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/9373273/Rightful-king-of-England-dies-in-Australia.html
--Wowaconia (talk) 04:44, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article on his death with a bit more info on family line 

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