Talk:Alice Nine

message: I just did some general clean up today (September 3), changing the references system to avoid clutter and assist new editors. I also cut down on the amount of code by utilizing the ref name tags already in place (allowing me to cut out everything but the name for twice-used references). The photo book was moved to a "Bibliography" section, as it's a book, not a disc. Some of the wording was changed for clarity, and a few links were placed. It was a big edit, so I'm summarizing for a better understanding. --Jacob 15:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up notes 

message: Hello, I'm here to fix up the alice nine. related pages. I've made pages recently for the last 5 singles; Blue Planet (song), Number Six (song), Jewels (song), White Prayer and Tsubasa (song), i've also fixed up the Zekkeishoku page, although there's still a lot to do for it, and I've made a page for the upcoming Alpha (Alice Nine album) album.
If there is anyone wishing to help me creating more pages and finding more reliable information (in english) for alice nine. please go onto my talk pages and notify me, thank you.
P.S please add the category Category:Articles related to Alice Nine to any alice nine related pages
Blkeddie! (talk) 04:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alice Nine. helping working on pages anyone? 

message: There has been some back-and-forth on the logo issue, and I'll admit it's mostly coming from my end. I'll explain my reasoning here. There's been a heckuva long and rather contentious discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_Musical_artist#Logos about the inclusion of logos in articles about musical acts, and though there is still a lot of divisiveness on the issue there are certain valid points, and even some consensus, that has come out of it. What I'm concerned with here is mainly the fact that logos don't belong in infoboxes of articles about musicians. The purpose of the "name" field of the infobox is for a free or fair use picture of the artist, not their logo. In fact, Template:Infobox Musical artist#Img states that the purpose of the field is for "an image of the act (my emphasis), sufficiently clear for display at 220 pixels' width." If a comprehensive, free photo of the band is unavailable, then you can make the case for a fair-use photo in its place. That's one of the reasons that fair-use policies exist, for those situations.
Further to that, there is the question of what exactly constitutes a "logo" in terms of a musical act, and to what degree a logo may or may not be notable. The general consensus seems to be that if the logo is notable, and verifiable, then the proper place for it is in the article body alongside a referenced discussion of its significance. This allows the image to add some meaningful informational content to the article, rather than just serving as decoration. Without critical commentary then it is likely that the use of the image fails WP:NONFREE and that the logo probably isn't notable. Note that it is at best unclear whether the provisions of WP:LOGOS (which allows logos to be used in most cases strictly for identification) applies to the logos of musical acts. WP:NONFREE (of which WP:LOGOS is a subset) only specifies that "Team and corporate (my emphasis) logos [may be used] for identification." In an article about a musical act, a logo is at best a secondary form of identification because we already have the name of the act in plain text and a field for a free or fair-use image of the act.
Basically what I'm saying is that if the Alice Nine logo is in fact notable, then it should be in the article body with some type of referenced discussion of its significance (ie. Who designed it? In what context is it used? Does it have some symbolic meaning? Does it have any cultural, historical, or artistic significance?). Obviously this is too much to cram into the infobox. If there is nothing to say about it other than "it's their logo," then it's probably non-notable and therefore fails fair-use criteria. As a temporary compromise I've moved it into the article body, where hopefully some meaningful commentary can develop around it. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, said logo is just text in a particular typeface and as such not eligible for copyright. No fair use here. - Cyrus XIII (talk) 22:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice you made that change on the image page. It depends on where it was taken from. If it was pulled from one of their album covers, then it is a segment of a copyrighted work and is subject to the same copyright as the entire work, even if you've altered it digitally to suit your own needs. And if it's really just text in a particular typeface, then in what way is it notable? --IllaZilla (talk) 22:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Browsing through the discography and looking at the album covers, it appears Alice Nine doesn't even have a logo. They display their name in a different font/style on almost every release (at least all the releases that have articles linked here). The only consistency seems to be all lowercase with a period at the end. This could be easily explained in the opening paragraph as "Alice Nine (usually typset alice nine.) ..." So, it appears the image being used isn't in fact a logo, in which case why have it in the article? --IllaZilla (talk) 23:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo

message: None of the individual musicians in this band assert notability of their own. The band as a whole is barely notable enough to add to Wikipedia, with the sole fact that they performed at Jrock Revolution and have gained a minute amount of success in the United States and/or Europe. Any questions? --Jacob Talk 19:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, thats a good idea seeing as they barely have enough information themselves, merging minor things - eg real name, may help the page itself expand, btw are you willing to do this? Blkeddie! (talk) 04:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Several titles on the main page of the article are in Japanese romaji and have fortunately been translated. One that hasn't though, is the subtitle for the Peace & Smile Carnival Tour 2005. The phrase "皆そろって笑顔でファッキュー" can be romanized as "Minna sorotte egao de Fuck you" and would roughly translate to something like "Everyone smiles altogether as a way to say 'Fuck you.'" While the word "fuck" is generally untouched on Wikipedia, I feel that the addition of this onto the main page can quickly backfire, not to mention the title would be quite long. For sake of completion though, perhaps the translation should be included. Any ideas on what would work best would be helpful. E-Keo (talk) 00:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Translations are generally frowned upon, and the fact that they are present on this page is a a bit odd. I though they'd long since been removed. I may remove them some time soon though. --Jacob Talk 05:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, there should not be translations of titles.  This page needs a lot of clean-up in general, and a lot of the information here needs sources. Denaar (talk) 14:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm willing to remove translations from the main page. I can understand if they are frowned upon, but I also think removing them is just going to be contested in some way or another, so I have not been sure what action to take. --E-Keo (talk) 05:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main page translations 

message: I removed the "Real Names" from the page.  As far as I'm aware, none of the members of Alice Nine have ever released information regarding their real names, and the names previously posted are mere fan speculation.  If you want to re-post the names, please have legitimate, verifiable proof that they're the members' actual names.--Yaypanda (talk) 09:02, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artists' "Real Names" 

message: I know that this is a really small thing to nit-pick, but Nao's name isn't officially written in Japanese characters - katakana or otherwise.  On both his blog (http://ameblo.jp/alice-nao/) and the Alice Nine official site (http://www.pscompany.co.jp/alicenine/ - look in the member section), his name is written with the Roman alphabet; Shou, Tora, and Saga's names use kanji, and Hiroto's is written with katakana.  Again, it's a small thing; I'll leave it up to your discretion to decide if it was important or not, but I thought I'd throw that out there for informations' sake.--Yaypanda (talk) 09:15, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nao's name 

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message: Hi, the link to "Blue Flame" single is wrong. It leads to debut single of a k-pop group but I'm not able to delete it. Can somebody do it?
BTW: Missing single info since 2017...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1028:96D3:CAB6:3460:EF83:9029:188 (talk) 16:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to "Blue Flame" wikipedia page