Talk:Mainstreaming (education)

message: How can students claim disabilities if the general education teacher has to first refer them? This article makes no sense at all.  Someone should rewrite this article.  (Moivie)
:I don't get it, if someone looks just like the kids in, say, grade 3, and has their same cognitive abilities, but happens to actually be a lot older, why aren't they put with their other peers whom they virtually blend in with? It'd just be being 'held back' but without any attempt at reprimand. Those with lower cognitive functions _very_ frequently _look_ like little kids anyway, so what's the difference? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.73.48.43 (talk) 01:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Referrals are not required from general ed teachers.  Under U.S. (federal) law, any parent or guardian may request an evaluation for disabilities.  Among certain kinds of upper-middle class parents, getting a perfectly average child evaluated for possible learning disabilities is a rite of passage.  (Obviously, these parents think they progeny must always be above-average, or something's clearly wrong.)  Many disabled kids start getting school services at the age of three, two years before a Kindergarten teacher has any reason to see them. WhatamIdoing 00:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The fact that more and more students are claiming disabilities provides a financial nightmare for school districts." 

message: i know i'll regret doing this, but i'm sick to death of seeing these disgusting, only=my=point=of=view-counts introduction in an  encyclopaedia. Keep it neutral and state the facts, i mean for god sake..."on a happier note"!!! it's like a bloody childs story. --Brideshead 01:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: intro

message: Nothing has changed and the concerns are still valid.  the site is not effectively sourced, it is heavily US biased and is written in a tone not appropriate to an encyclopaedia.  --Brideshead 18:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: revert

message: Hi, 
I'm in the process of revising this article so that it better reflects Wikipedia guidelines.  This will take multiple revisions, and I would welcome additional editors who would like to collaborate on the work.
Best,
Rosmoran 09:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working on rewrite to make article encyclopedia and include citations 

message: Just commenting on the general silliness I see in asking for a picture in an article about mainstreaming.  What would that picture be, exactly?  A generic picture of a kid at a desk?  A picture of a stream?
Pictures are swell, but only when they're, you know, meaningful. RyanGrant 18:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A Mainstreaming Picture

message: I would like to tell you that I revised the first sentence because the previous one was the definition for inclusion.  Educators who read this would know that inclusion and mainstreaming are two very different practices.  --Nitsirk 20:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  As a kind contributer, I would like to tell you something 

message: According to this website: , mainstreaming is the preferred practice instead of inclusion.  Should it be mentioned in the article along with the source? --Nitsirk 14:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but preferred by whom matters.  Some parents and some teachers prefer inclusion.  Others prefer mainstreaming model.  A few even prefer segregated instruction.  So I'd say, add the information -- but make sure that it's presented with a caveat instead of as The Truth. WhatamIdoing 06:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also here's another link that says that inclusion is a controversial concept: .  Should this be included in the inclusion article? I'm not sure if that link is an appropriate source to be placed in the article? Some links can be based on what people think and not the truth. --Nitsirk 23:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put the information about mainstreaming is the preferred practice.  Please do not yell at me.  I am only doing what's best for the article.  I provided the source.  If you can make it better, please help improve it. --Nitsirk 23:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for finding a source.  You can certainly list more than one source if you want.  It can go in either article, as you think best.  WhatamIdoing 23:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mainstreaming is the preferred practice. 

message: I'm thrilled that someone has taken the time to address the previously unsourced statements. However, the source that claims a 14% increase in graduation rates does NOT attribute it to either mainstreaming or to inclusion.  It attributes it to the American law which requires that disabled students actually receive some education services.  The source does not claim that the increase has anything to do with mainstreaming practices.  It could have been due, for example, to the ability in an IEP to change the minimum graduation requirements, or to the increase in segregated classrooms at regular schools -- or even due to labeling students with very mild learning differences as being disabled, so that the overall pool is no longer comparable.  For this article, we need to find a source that specifically says mainstreaming improves academic achievements compared to another educational option (presumably total segregation). WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious

message: I've pulled this:
Studies have shown that disproportionate numbers of racial minorities are labeled as being disabled.  Disadvantaged students are also more likely to be misdiagnosed.  In particular, black and Hispanic students in the U.S. are more likely to be wrongly labeled as being emotionally disturbed or mentally retarded by schools.  States are now required to collect and report data concerning minorities with disabilities.
The fear is that most minority students in the United States leave school without reaching their full potential.  In the past, the group that receives the lowest-achievement rates have been boys and girls who are poor and of racial, ethnic, cultural and linguistic diversity.   
Whereas immediately placing a child in a separate environment for learning disabled student promotes stagnation and learned helplessness, mainstreaming and inclusion of minorities in the regular classroom promotes academic acceleration.
because, no matter how True™ it is, it's not particularly obvious what this has to do with mainstreaming.  It's a soapbox about discrimination in special education in general, and the complaint applies just as much to full inclusion and segregation programs as it does to mainstreaming.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minorities and Education 

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*Support - as nominator. Mainstreaming is simply another method of helping special needs students achieve their full potential.  It would make sense to have the mainstreaming article merged into the special education article. --Tigereyes92 (talk) 04:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I've just removed the "typically developing" language from this article.  Again, if memory serves.  I realize that this is the terminology preferred by many parents and some teachers in the U.S.  Specifically, it's the language preferred by people who work with kids who have certain kinds of disabilities -- say, autism or Down syndrome.
It is not preferred by parents and teachers who are working with kids whose disabilities are "phyiscal" -- leukemia, for example, or traumatic brain injury from an accident, or diabetes or psychiatric problems like major depressive disorder.  The kid in my old high school who broke his neck on his motorcycle was "typically developing," but still very much disabled and very much in need of special education services for the rest of his years in high school.  
I ask that you not "erase" these kinds of disabilities by using "typically developing" as a synonym for non-disabled.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: ...is over here if anyone wants to tackle the topic. Kikodawgzzz (talk) 23:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge proposal 

message: I should think that mainstreaming cuts costs, since it could reduce or eliminate the size of the special ed program.  Yet costs are cited as a disadvantage, not an advantage.  Can anyone explain?--Bdell555 (talk) 04:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Cuts costs, compared to what?  Compared to, say, excluding kids with special needs entirely from school, I'd say mainstreaming is quite expensive.  Compared to letting the kids fail in a regular classroom (without any sort of support), it's more expensive.  Compared to year-round residential institutionalization, it's cheap.  It just depends on what your baseline is.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  costs 

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*Oppose, present title seems more informative (unless someone is planning to start a separate article on mainstreaming in education in other countries).--Kotniski (talk) 07:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

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