Talk:Shalwar kameez

message: The spellings of Shalwar kameez in Urdu in the article are شلوار قمیض. I believe that it should be شلوار قمیص. I know that it will then be pronounced as Shalwar Kamees but قمیض is not the right word, it is the wrong form that just got popular. The spellings that I have suggested are also the ones used for the Shalwar Kameez article on Urdu wikipedia شلوار قمیص
--Wahj-asSaif (talk) 01:58, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urdu spelling mistake 

message: I believe most of these pics are kurta and not kameez, I think kameez have collars and kurtas don't.  At least that's what I've been taught.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.106.79 (talk) 01:06, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right in a way, but the "kameez" worn by women has usually been similar to a kurta; not the male style kameez with the collar you are referring to, which in any case, is not traditional.  It is modeled on the western shirt and began to be worn in northwest (British) India only in the  19th century.  There are no earlier photographs or sketches of anyone in India or Afghanistan wearing a kameez with a shalwar.  This article should really have been about the shalwar only, but like many things on wikipedia, it has been grandfathered in and it is too much work to change it.  Still, I agree, there should be some pictures of the kameez worn in Pakistan and Afghanistan.  Let me see what I can do.  Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:41, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In many localities, the dress is also known as the salwar kurta, while in others it is known as the shalwar qameez. The difference between the qamiz and the kurta is that the latter is collarless. Shalwars, however, can be worn with either a kurta or qameez, thus giving rise to both of these names. I agree that it would have made more sense for this article to be titled "shalwar". I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 06:37, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It actually looks like User:Malikhpur already created Salwar - thank you! Kind regards, AnupamTalk 06:43, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid Salwar is a content fork.  I'm happy for it to be judged on any independent WP forum.  Village Pump, even WT:INDIA.  Either the later sections of this page need to be in that page only (and they already are), or it needs to be redirected.  The term in all current dictionaries of English is Shalwar kameez or salwar kameez or  other slight variations.  There is no clear cut usage difference for the presence or absence of the European collar, the latter making it a kurta when worn with a shalwar.  Women have traditionally worn collarless tunics with their shalwars and they have always been called kameez.  Also, I'm sorry, please please stick to only scholarly sources (i.e. University Presses, or Routledge, Wiley, Blackwell, Springer, Taylor&Francis, Macmillan, ...).  Otherwise, we can pretty much source the wildest assertions.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Fowler&fowler, while I respect that you wish to improve this article, I do not appreciate edit summaries such as this one. You wrote "How can you quite [sic] the Oxford Dictionary of English entry for churidar and then finesse the words to insert it here?" The source was talking about the churidars, which is why the sentence it butressed said "The kameez or kurta are traditionally worn with the shalwar, as with other similar garments, such as the churidar or pyjama." You'll notice that I also added other sources to corroborate the fact that the shalwar is also worn with the kurta. There was no "finessing" here, as any editor can plainly tell. I'd therefore be grateful if you could retract your unfounded accusation. Thanks, AnupamTalk 19:14, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurta and Kameez 

message: its shalwar qameez not shalwar  kameez. plz correct it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.63.143.24 (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  its shalwar qameez not shalwar  kameez 

message: FF, explain these massive changes of yours. Why remove these established images and content here. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead and section 1 were in place by 14 April (see here) except for the kurta reference, and shalwar kurta reference, in the modern styles section, to which I have not even got.  You signalled your consent on 18th April (see here).  Today is the 24 April.  Neither the lead nor section 1 have changed since you gave your consent.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:53, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice now that , who has no history on this page, and who until very recent was an IP, is now facilely repeating your edits her and removing content.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:11, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  i do have a history here, i was editing here as an IP. Hammy0007 (talk) 11:41, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where are the IP's posts in the building of consensus on this talk page?  You have no history of weighing in on the pros and cons of the various issues on this talk page.  With such absence of background, you are edit warring, after having already been warned by an admin elsewhere.  I'd say, take a step back and try to gain consensus here.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  you are the one edit warring here, all the rest of the users are calling you edit warrior, secondly dont try to act smart now and do gradual removal of references from kurta, you have even removed the history and ethymology references which you mentioned in your edits. Hammy0007 (talk) 11:48, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive addition as well as removal of established content 

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message: I made a minor edit for grammar which has just been reverted. I did not give a detailed explanation at the time of editing, so I thought it would be helpful to provide it here. 'Latter' is correct only when referring to the second of two items; for longer lists, 'last' is correct. The list in the article contains three items, so it is better to use 'last'. For this reason I would ask that the edit is restored. Collisam (talk) 08:23, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that is true generally, but "latter" has various meanings.  The OED (revised for this term in 2015) says, "Latter (adj) 3. That has been mentioned second of two, last of a group of more than two, or at or near the end of a preceding clause or sentence. Frequently opposed to former."  It gives many attested examples, one of which is: "1971   Guardian 24 Dec. 17/5   The Berlin Wall stands unbreached, passes are needed to get into Bethlehem and Father Christmas has been arrested in Oxford Street. It's the latter item that fascinates me."  Anyway, there are many ways to resolve this seeming conflict.  We could change, "The kameez may have a European-style collar, a Mandarin collar, or it may be collarless; in the latter case, its design as a women's garment is similar to a kurta."  to "The kameez may have a collar, European style or Mandarin, or it may be collarless; in the latter case, its design as a women's garment is similar to a kurta."  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:27, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of grammar edit 

message: The Etymology section is too wordy; when multiple sources say the same thing, we need not quote each of them separately.  I may take a crack at this mañana. —Tamfang (talk) 03:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  etymology, etymology, etymology 

message: Hi, it seems that the claim that the shalwar kameez was first adopted by women (with the exclusion of men) is unfounded in the citations provided. Although the sources go more in depth regarding the process of how it got adopted by women, the style seems to have proliferated among the Indian Muslim men and women simultaneously following the introduction of the gender-neutral style of the loose fitted trousers from Western and Central Asia, albeit at different paces and modifications. What thoughts on this?
Thanks Aksumz (talk) 06:27, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the claim that Shalwar Kameez was first adopted by women (with the exclusion of men)