Talk:John Nelson Darby

message: I am rather surprised to notice that, on the 3rd paragraph under the section Middle Years in this biography, the reference to "break bread" is linked to the Wikipedia article on the Eucharist. Darby himself made a very clear distinction between the Lord's Supper as he believed it should be held and the Holy Communion as it is held by the Roman Catholic Church. His views on the teaching of the Lord's Supper can be read in Familiar Conversations on Romanism (Eighth Conversation - Transubstantiation) where he plainly states in regard of the teachings of transubstantiation: There does not appear to be an article for Lord's Supper so I was unable to redirect the link. Do any other editors of this article have any suggestions? Comment added  by User:GaryB84 (talk) 23:09, 11 November 2008‎
The Eucharist is "a giving thanks" a sentiment I think Mr Darby would gladly endorse since it refers to the actions of Christ before he commenced the breaking of bread. In fact, Eucharist is suited to Exclusive Brethren teaching as amongst Raven/Taylor groups the breaking of bread is at the beginning of a meeting and is explicitly a thanksgiving as much as it is a memorial.
Gregory Morris, Penymynydd, Flintshire (talk) 16:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: At present the topic The Lord's Supper, which is also used by Brethren, appears in the Eucharist article, as does the breaking of bread. Clearly the meaning/significance is different though it is recognizable. If you want to split that article then you should discuss it on that page. Chris55 (talk) 22:08, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eucharist? 

message: I note that this claim has no citation to support it.  My own observations lead me to believe that calling the govt of the Open Brethren "Congregational," is inadequate and possibly misleading.  IMHO, Brethren church government is a mixture of unelected elder government, consensus, and spontaneous anarchy.  I am unaware of any formal elections ever taking place.  It is true that congregations are independent of each other, but is that not also true of close brethren?  I don't think "congregational" is a distinctive of Open Brethren.  (EnochBethany (talk) 06:10, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Claim that the Open Brethren Have Congregational Government? 

message: I don't know if "hyperdispensationalism" was meant as a slur word, but I omitted it because I did not find it in the citation.  The term "hyperdispensationalism" has been hung on those who believe that the Church was founded after the Day of Pentecost (e.g, Bullinger).  I don't think Darby taught that at all.  A hyperdispensationalist may find that the Church was not in existence until the end of Acts, possibly not having water baptism.  If one wishes to claim that dispensationalists in general are hyper, that would probably be a violation of NPOV.  (EnochBethany (talk) 06:20, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  I Deleted the reference to "hyperdispensationalism." 

message: For example, it is stated (with no citation) some claim that this rapture theory is the origin of the rapture theory -- an absurd tautology.  The article seems to confuse the pre-trib theory with the rapture itself.  The Rapture itself is no theory, but a Bible fact in 1 Thes 4:17 "harpagēsometha" = rapiemur = we shall be raptured (caught up).  Now Christians don't agree on the timing of this event relative to other prophecy -- they also don't agree on whether this catching up is the same as the 2nd Coming of Christ to establish a Kingdom.  But the Rapture itself is a clear Bible doctrine.  Darby cannot be the originator of the Rapture Doctrine; you may debate if he is the originator of the pre-trib theory.  IMHO it is safer to say that he popularized a theory which in fact is not commonly found in the earlier literature which the RCC preserved from antiquity and the middle ages.  However, the pre-trib theory is probably datable to at least the 8th century, if not to the NT itself.  But that is not the topic of this article.  Let it suffice to say that Darby popularized this POV.  (EnochBethany (talk) 06:39, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing Material needs re-writing 

message: That blue side bar is a violation of NPOV.  It is a hatchet job on Darby and/or his POV (EnochBethany (talk) 06:43, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete Blue Side Bar Critical Comments on Darby & His POV 

message: I think that Scofield met Darby when Darby came to the USA, so that possibly Darby taught his pre-trib POV to Scofield.  Someone could improve the article if he can provide good proof of a connection between Darby & Scofield, as well as the nature & duration of their interaction.  Speculative vociferations on this subject should not be cited as proof of anything, however.  (EnochBethany (talk) 04:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection of Darby & Scofield 

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