Talk:Wolfgang Borchert

message: Sorry, this is not my day. Could a native speaker please take a look at this? Get-back-world-respect 17:52, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for your help, I think you improved it greatly. Regarding the questions: 
* "hard to stand" has gone, so that is solved.
* conflicts with Hitlerjugend means he was in but was disgusted by it, it was not easy to leave if you wanted but he managed to do so
* I have no idea why I wrote "affected".
* He did flee, and did walk home, yes.
* He was treated for the liver disease which was also the cause of his death, but I only know that the hospital was deemed to be better in treating the illness than others, I doubt that it was a clinic especially for people with hepatitis
* the actual name of the "crime" was "staatsgefährdende Äußerungen", which I translated literally
* he was the only child of regional author Hertha Borchert and teacher Fritz Borchert. 
* As far as I know his first theatre was in Hannover and I do not know in which month he entered the sanatorium in Switzerland. Get-back-world-respect 20:42, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

text: The English translation does indeed seem to be called "The Man Outside". It is presumably trying to get across the literal meaning of the German as well as the implied alienation, being left out in the cold, almost an outcast, not able/allowed to join in. It's a long time since I read it; so I don't remember the plot very well, but I do remember that atmosphere, with the ex-POW returning home to find his old life gone, stolen, and unable to re-join society. Not to be read if you are feeling depressed to start with. --Boson 23:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen that translation, but I also saw it translated to "Outside the Door" in an essay (presumable self-translated from the German). I think this hits both the literal and symbolic meaning better. Since the most prominent English translation is "The Man Outside" I don't recommend we change it, but perhaps add something along the lines of literally, "Outside the Door"? CKnapp 22:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd have no objection to adding the literal translation, e.g. "literally "outside the door", English translation published as "The Man Outside" - unless there's some established practice for book titles. Perhaps it should be policy to always state if the English is the title under which it was published in English-speaking countries or something else. Although I'm not especially fond of the "official" translation, I don't think that the literal translation gets the connotations across particularly well. To me, "draußen vor der Tür" (bleiben) has connotations of someone or something being effectively excluded or denied access (outside, in the cold), whereas "outside the door" conveys that someone or something is about to enter (or attempt entry), more like the German "vor der Tür" without the "draußen". --Boson 07:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We could continue this conversation on the translation for a while; however, I don't think it is of much use on this page. I'm going to respond to your comment on my talk page, because I'm interested in this discussion-if you are interested in the conversation, feel free to talk. If not, no hard feelings. CKnapp 00:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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