Talk:PlayStation 3/Archive 16

message: Someone made a slip up in the price section regarding the estonian currency,i fixed it from EEK0 to EEK,which it should be.Nevermind,i see why it was like that..but i will put it in as TBC for the moment anyways.--L33tfella H 14:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estonian currency 

message: Not officially launched in Latvia. price from:
http://salidzini.lv/new/search.php?q=Playstation+3+60&cn=&cl= (all internet shops)
Real life price in shops up to 540 LVL
LVL to USD = http://www.bank.lv/eng/main/all/ = 0.5190 @ 18/04/2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eldberg (talk • contribs) 06:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Latvia price 

message: I have notice that the Xbox 360 and Wii articles both have small, unobtrusive tags in the upper right corner. The PlayStation 3, on the other hand, has a glaring banner-like note. Can an administrator change the PS3 tag so lt looks like the 360's and the Wii's? Thanks...J.delanoy 15:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Any user could have changed it; it's the template  rather that . It indeed makes more sense to use this one on high traffic and long-term protected articles. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 15:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-protection tag

message: I have stripped out the 21% Irish VAT from the price that feeds into the toUSD tag for both 20GB and 60GB. Stifle (talk) 10:37, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is now quite confusing, its cheaper in dollars and more expensive in euro than the rest of Europe? John.n-irl 06:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish price 

message: As you may know, the PS3's SIXAXIS will no longer lack the rumble feature, as the company that sued Sony has dropped their lawsuit. You may want to edit that in.
: Can you provide a citation for this?J.delanoy 00:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, we need to add in that in order to have rumble, you must rebuy your controllers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Can Not (talk • contribs) 13:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3's new Controller 

message: Sony Playstation 3 is one of three new “next generation” gaming consoles, competing with Microsoft Xbox 360 and the Nintendo Wii. It is the most expensive console ever to be produced and has a wide array of high tech features to back up its price tag; some of which the rest of the gaming world has yet to catch up to. It delivers stunning graphics and brings a smile to every first time user with its sleek black and chrome design, Bluetooth 6axis wireless controllers, internet connectivity as well as blu-ray playback and much more. Sony has definitely opened the door to the future with this monster minicomputer. 
References include: 
The PS3 requires no additional software or operating requirements, it is built ready-to-go straight from the box so long as it is used for its main gaming purpose. Additional cables are required for use of the HDMI output, optical output for surround sound and Ethernet port for internet connectivity. However, it should be noted that WiFi is built in, which most people today would rather use. The PS3 comes in two hard drive options, 20GB and the upgraded 60GB; upgrades are possible as it is a laptop hard drive. Furthermore, to efficiently use the internet browser, most would prefer to use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse which is also not included. 
The PS3 comes more loaded then a Mercedes with cool high tech features that anyone can appreciate. 
•	Blu-Ray player: out-doing the Xbox 360 which comes with HD DVD, blu-ray is the most advanced media    playback today. It is of higher quality in terms of picture and sound, and it has a greater capacity. 
•	WiFi: allowing users to connect to any available network and browse the internet using the build in browser. 
•	Multi-format Memory Card Reader: allows users to download music, pictures and other                   media files onto the PS3 hard drive from a wide array of memory cards and flash drives. Pictures can be viewed as slideshows, music can be put into play lists etc. 
•	6Axis Bluetooth wireless controller: users can tip the controller up, down, left, right to reflect what they want the character or car to do. This enhances the gaming experience. Controllers vibrate as well for high impact games. 
The PS3 has many useful features; however, it is yet to be fully introduced into the business world; although I’m sure many business men from around the world use it to unwind after a hard day’s work! In addition to its gaming purpose for business men, the PS3 has an option in its media hub or Xross Media Bar (XMB) as it is often referred to, to install other operating systems! Yes, this means the PS3 has the ability to be used as a full functioning computer. Linux distributions, Ubuntu, Fedora Core 5, Gentoo, Debian and Yellow Dog have been ran on the PS3 60GB version. Furthermore, it has been reported that some technically advanced users have been able to get Windows XP working on their PS3!! As one can imagine to have such a powerful operating system working on a gaming console is a huge step towards the future; business men all over the world might soon be able to play high def games, watch blu-ray movies, listen to music and watch slideshows during their lunch breaks!!! With this being known, obviously, the PS3 can also be used in the board room, the home theater and office! Also, because of its WiFi ability it may soon also be used as a chat network within the office, allowing employees to chat, send and receive files and, if the boss isn’t looking, get a couple rounds of Fight Night 3 in! It’s simply a matter of time before the rest of the world catches up to Sony! 
In my opinion Sony’s PS3 is a monster in today’s technological world. There is no doubt in my mind that it will survive as the power it contains is beyond today’s norm. It is the cheapest blu-ray player in the market and of Sony quality. It is fully media functional, playing all common media files and beyond. After having experienced the PS3 first hand, I would grade it an A! It is extremely user friendly, and it stands tall over its competitors in almost all aspects! Although it is pricey, when looking at all its high tech features and endless capabilities it is worth its price tag. I would definitely buy one! 
--Vinnyvarma 00:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBUS 238 PS3 REVIEW 

message: someone needs to clean up release data (move the table) and marketing. sorry I don't have a lot of time, so someone else will have to do it. There are a bunch of little facts. There should be 2-3 paragraphs, not these 2 sentence paragraphs. There's already a sub-article, perhaps it could be "sales" instead of "launch" to incorporate marketing? --gatoatigrado 21:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  clean up release 

message: Someone should add a seperate article soncering that of the backward compatability list since it is done for the ps2. What do you think? mickyfitz13 Talk 11:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I whole-heartedly agree! --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 02:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do the Logitech microphones and steering wheel controllers for the PlayStation 2 work on a PS3?  This kind of information should also be included in backwards compatibility sections.  --24.154.173.243 17:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 backward compatability 

message: For some reason the references stop being listed correctly (there is an error in formatting) after citation number 65. Anyone know what might be causing this? Cmcfarland 18:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I fixed it, there was an unclosed ref tag, which seems to have started here:  Here's the fix:  —cmsJustin (talk|contribs) 21:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference not working 

message: The text input is NOT based on T9(r) (a product from Tegic Communications) but on eZiText(r) supplied by ZiCorp. This should be changed in the System Software-section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.233.5.24 (talk) 17:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  eZiText 

message: Can some people please research whether the various PS3 consoles and PS3 games sold around the world are indeed region free, and update the article?  A quick google search reveals many news articles mentioning it prior to release, but few pages showing actual post-release details on how the region-free "feature" actually works. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.167.156.123 (talk • contribs).
: I found an interview with a Sony Europe rep about region-free games: . I think that should be enough. Chevinki 17:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 Games region free? 

message: A friend linked me to this very interesting article, and it may be worth mentioning that in this article. J Milburn 22:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty interesting, but where would it fit in the article?J.delanoy 00:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spider Man font 

message: Is the the Graphics Synthesizer being pulled out of the Ps3? Or is it just the Emotion Engine?--Skyfalcon866 00:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  In the European PS3s just the EE is out the Graphics Synthesizer is still there. --Ciao 90 18:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: it draws triangles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.102.45.242 (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GENIUS! : ) John.n-irl 07:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It is the graphics chip from the PS2, the reason they have kept it, is that it may be rather simple for them to emulate the EE cpu from the PS2 with the Cell of the PS3, but due to the unique architecture of the PS2 emulating the graphics chip with the RSX or Cell is a much harder task, no doubt they will manage it in the future, but for now they are keeping it in the consoles. Golden Dragoon 20:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graphics Synthesizer 

message: It should be merged with the one at PlayStation 3 launch and relocated there, and the two aren't synchronised, making them very hard to keep constant. Plus, with the amounts of currencies it will be priced in the table has the potential to explode to a length longer then the article, which is why is shouldn't be in the main article. The PS3 launch article also has a much more detailed table, however it lacks the  template. +Hexagon1 (t) 04:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The PlayStation 3 launch article looks like shit ;) I hope the table stays here, but I can understand that pricing isn't really needed. —cmsJustin (talk|contribs) 12:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Valuable input there, I'm sure any encyclopaedia would love to have you on board. The pricing table has to either be moved, cut down or removed all together, it's entirely unsustainable. +Hexagon1 (t) 02:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lauch pricing table 

message: Just thought I would bring this to everyone's attention, someone listed "Motorstorm" as the best selling game and cited it using this link:
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=75009
It states that Motorstorm has been ranked number one in terms of sales in the US, UK and Japan, but that doesn't mean it has sold the most copies globally. All it means is that Motorstorm has been ranked number 1 for sales for a single week. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.217.89.212 (talk) 12:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best-Selling Game? 

message: I know that 20GB is being discontinued, but that does nto mean it doesn't exist. George Leung 22:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once it stops selling we should remove the information. Maybe mention it in a "History" section. McDonaldsGuy 01:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its only being discontinued in america isnt it? I know its not out in europe but its still available in japan? John.n-irl 07:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep 20GB data 

message: I saw it mentioned on the Gamefaqs homepage and haven't read it anywhere else, They're pretty reliable though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Superway25 (talk • contribs) 05:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah it's killed. Berserkerz Crit 14:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, japan? John.n-irl 07:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  20 GB discontinued? 

message: Since the the "basic" model his been officially discontinued by Sony, we should decide if the basic model info should be moved to history or completely removed from tis article. We need to correct this immediately.  Effer 21:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 20gb model is still being sold in Japan. --Ciao 90 11:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it will be discontinued eventually. Or not (in Japan)? Berserkerz Crit 15:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to SCEI, it is not considering discontinuing the 20GB model in Japan at present. Dancter 16:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the english wikipedia, not Japanese.... imagine 2 years from now when no one remembers the 20 Gig and they're like "OMG... where do I get this?!?" McDonaldsGuy 18:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I expressed no opinion on how the 20GB model info should be handled. I actually do think that we should start de-emphasizing the 20GB model, as the 60GB model seems to be developing into the "standard" model. While this is the English-language Wikipedia, articles should still maintain a worldwide perspective, which includes Japan, so the 20GB model should still be covered, but probably not so prominently. If Japan discontinues the 20GB model, then it should be shifted to history altogether. Also, I think the table needs a general cleanup. Most of the sources for 20GB release and prices are from pre-launch. Dancter 18:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As far as i know they havnt officially decided not to launch it in europe(although they probably wont), maybe write "japan only" after the 20gb details untill they confirm more. John.n-irl 07:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discontiuation of the 20 GB basic model. 

message: There is a new project for Playstation products. To view click here. Playstationdude 14:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject 

message: This article should not be so close to featured status (IMHO). Currently for example, the article has all but eliminated any remotely negative bits in favor of an approach that rarely (if at all) mentions issues with the system, and where it does contain negativity, it passes everything off on opinion or non-knowability. The following are not the only issues I've seen with the article, only some quick mentions.
* The "Sales" section is all peachy about the record-breaking opening of the PS3 in Europe. It does not note the media furor about the 82% drop in sales for PS3's second week, the record-low sales PS3 has had in Japan recently, and/or the generally abysmal February numbers the system posted. 360's sales section, for a slight contract, opens with "Because of a manufacturing bottleneck", a flat fact that's brutally honest. Yet despite all of this clear and well-documeted criticism in the media toward PS3, the only information given in the article is from the Launch section, saying that it's hard to draw any meaningful conclusions. Well, of course it is. That's why you would say, for example, that "critical reaction has been mixed surrounding the launch of the Playstation 3". You don't just sidestep the issue.
* Furthering the above, PS3's Reception section is one long listing of quotes from media outlets that don't amount to any facts or summary at all. Wii's starts off with "The system was well-received". 360's reception is documented throughought, as addressed above.
This article is too far too dodgy to recieve the Featured nod. I'm loathe to mention the following, but in light of some shady Sony moves in terms of publicity stunts lately, Wikipedia could save itself some big trouble down the road with a pinch of caution now. And it's not like I'm the first to make this suggestion.209.153.128.248 19:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The 82% is not newsworthy at all, it's to be expected that after a delayed launch, there will be a buildup of punters on launch week.  If there was no sales drop, that would be proper newsworthy headlines... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.174.171.21 (talk) 20:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur this article should be reworked. But sony does a bit of viral marketing and automatically there's a conspiracy about facts retaining to this article ? 64.231.248.49 08:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The march toward featured status 

message: Why does Franco Guillermo Vega Estrada redirect here? As far as I know he's an Argentinian football player. Ben467 10:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks very much like an act of vandalism- the page itself was created with that redirect, so there's no way for a typical user to fix it, from what I can see... Ex-Nintendo Employee 11:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok I've fixed it. Normal users like you and me can fix redirects also. See WP:REDIRECT. Berserkerz Crit 13:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Franco Guillermo Vega Estrada 

message: Quite a few of the comments and definitions for up coming games for the PS3 seem very POV or at least slanted.
"LittleBigPlanet, a hugely immersive platformer that allows players to create their own custom levels."
"Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, the final chapter of Hideo Kojima's tactical espionage epic."
"Tekken 6, the continuation of the legendary hardcore fighting series."
Do these need to be cleaned up?
:Very much so, i'll do it.Slydevil 22:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV on up coming games section 

message: While I don't want to outright take down the numbers without discussion, the 3 million in NA & Japan figure contradicts the individual figures for Japan and NA, as well as contradicting the 1.65 million sold worldwide. Likewise, the 1 million shipped is definately not equal to the number of units sold in the EU, as by all media accounts the PS3 was a unmitigated disaster across the PAL region. I propose removing the "shipped" figures entirely and concentrating on "sold", per the entry name itself on the infobox. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 20:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially since the Japanese would have to have doubled their purchases of the PS3 in the last two weeks to make their half of the 3 million as stated. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 20:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: How does 3 million units shipped contradict 1.65 sold? I don't see the problem Tranqulizer 23:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As it's under the heading Units Sold in the infobox. Units Shipped do not equal Units Sold, so the information should be moved elsewhere. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 13:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  Never mind. I added a "Units Shipped" field to the CVG systems infobox template, so now it's accurate. Time to go take a look at Wii and Xbox360 to see if they've got similar stuff which requires fixing. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 14:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good idea, it is more clear now what is the sold and what is the shipped figure. However I don't think it was directly missleading before since there were a "shipped" tag on the relevant figures. Tranqulizer 14:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patently False information in the Units Sold area 

message: According to Financial Times, PS3 sold 600.000 units just in first two  days.  --Ciao 90 19:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sony’s PS3 has record launch in Europe 

message: The article's sales table lists European sales as being "920,000+" in March, but Howard Stringer has told the Financial Times that they're "close to selling 800,000 units in Europe" as of April 16th; the BBC report cited in the table makes no mention of overall European sales figures past the launch weekend. I'm still not sure how to add references/citations to articles, so if someone else could, it'd be appreciated. --aniki21 15:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  European sales figures 

message: No mention (except on the chart) of the lackluster sales in the US and Japan? No mention of Ken Kutaragi stepping down due to the consoles poor performance? This section is sadly lacking, and if you read the text one could come away with the incorrect impression that the console is selling well. -- MisterHand 15:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs to be expanded 

message: I feel the absence of benchmarks using Bosch and others hardware emulators/simulators on the Linux's PS3.
I'm interested also in a benchmark about Windows (various versions) on a PS3.
I'm not interested in discussions about Microsoft/Windows and PS3/Linux, but in the power of the PS3, and in particular if a Windows/PS3 with a machine emulator can be more powerful than a classic Windows/Pc benchmark.
Thank you very much for your interest in this argument. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.29.225.114 (talk) 11:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Playstation 3 and softwares like Bosch 

message: Currently in the article: "The PS3 is currently well behind its competitor systems, the Microsoft XBox 360 and the Nintendo Wii, despite the market leading position of the previous Playstation 2 system."
While although that's very much factually accurate (PS3 is getting slaughtered), is it really very neutral to include that sort of an analysis in the article? In terms of 'competitors', I still don't like seeing the Wii listed, since they (theoretically) aren't in direct competition anyways. More significantly, while although a reliable source stating that the PS3 is getting butchered might be notable, is it really notable if one of us declares that they're losing? Even if we can back up the numbers, doesn't that still border on OR just a little, in terms of the implied significance?
Anyways, I won't remove it myself, since an argument can be made either way, but just thought I'd pose the question. Bladestorm 17:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement is factual, and seems NPOV to me, but I agree that it needs to be backed up with a source. -- MisterHand 18:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found a source that backed up the sentence in question, and added it as a reference. -- MisterHand 18:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this really neutral? 

message: After the PS3 Technical Problems article has had a little while to mature, I propose a "Technical Problems" section be added to the main PS3 Article.  This section could provide a synopsis of the PS3 Technical Problems article and a link to it.
; The addition of the Technical Problems section is nice but we still should have a full scale criticism section.  Siting reasons why people aren't buying it as much right now.  Covering everything from the production costs to the control lacking proper vibration features.  By all rights one should be made for the other consoles too. 24.84.108.255 04:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Addition of [[PS3 Technical Problems]] section

message: I just read that the PS3 got worst console rrelease ever, is this trure! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.212.252.30 (talk) 17:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What in God's name are you talking about?  While I don't think anyone would (or could) possibly deny that PS3 sales have been under Sony expectations and have been lagging as of late (aside from the temporary, yet still quite impressive, UK release), the notion that it was the worst opening ever is just idiotic.  The Atari Jaguar probably holds the slot for the worst performance by a major industry console, and there are plenty of other examples of systems that did far worse than the PS3.  Further, even though I somewhat doubt it, anything could change in the span of the next few months, so Sony's sales could do a major turn around.  Finally, even if the console sales continue to lag, if enough good games come out for it, those that actually bought the system will continue to buy said games in great enough numbers for Sony to be just fine.  Even if the PS3 utterly flops though, Sony has a massive enough budget that we can guarantee that there'll be a PS4.  So please, keep your fanboyism to a minimum. RPH 16:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, you too. Keep your fanboyism to a minimum.66.201.172.192
Price is a reason, I hoped it was because the low shipment, then they'ed reduce it by 50 each, another is because noone cares for the controler because everyone is lying and saying it's tilt sencing merely, when PSM and IGN shows it sences XYZ, and the other 3 in the tilting, that's why it's called 6axis. Godfather though not 100% as good as it can do it sences Z for pushing people and X for shaking people.
BTW the commercial for wii and ps3 I saw on the internet where the fat lady was the ps3, that wasn't smart, she needed to represent the 360 which has none at all(thin lady "wee i'm driving...opps you can do the same on ps3")
BobtheVila
Please don't feed the trolls. +Hexagon1 (t) 07:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: To be fair, the CD-i wasn't a dedicated video game console.  I'd liken the PlayStation 3 to the Neo Geo or the 3DO...technically superior, but too expensive and not enough third-party excitement. 72.43.140.65 17:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As far as third-party excitement, I do not believe that it is logical to judge a console's success or failure until the first holiday season AFTER the console has been out at least a year. When the PS2 was released, its launch titles stunk horribly. (I would use stronger language, but wikipedia is not the place) However, it went on to become the most successful video game console of all time. Also, the Xbox 360 didn't really have a lot of really good titles when it launched. You have to remember, when you compare game selection, the 360 is hitting its stride, while the PS3 is just starting. Also, when the PS2 came out, it was the first console to use a DVD instead of a regular CD to store data. Whan a new medium is tried, (In the PS3's case, a Blu-ray Disc.) it takes a while for developers to figure out what they can do with it. (just ask Panasonic about the 3DO....)J.delanoy 01:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worst console release!?! 

message: Is it accurate to say that the 20GB version was discontinued in the UK when it was never available for sale in the UK? [[Guest9999 04:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: The lead really needs to be expanded. People probably already know that but I figured I'd say it anyway. From what I understand it is supposed to be a summary of the article. Aaron Bowen 12:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: Couldn't find anything here about the violance the ps3 caused. http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ps3-crime-spree-the-missing-episodes-heist-goes-awry-witness/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.158.61.41 (talk) 03:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violance 

message: I noticed that the wonderful PS3 connectivity template created by Ssolbergj has been barred from use in the PlayStation 3 article because of a precedent outlined in Wikipedia:Template namespace. The edit was done by Dancter, but I want to get a consensus from all you readers out there who, like me, regularly check up on the status of this article. Frankly, I’m hoping that we can agree to make an exception this time and allow this useful template to be placed in the PlayStation 3 article. It very clearly outlines the connectivity specifications of the console in the infobox, and I think it’s much better to have this information up front in the infobox instead of having to link the reader to the section of the article. Plus, I want to give credit to Ssolbergj for putting together the template — it was in the article for a while without any objections, and I thought that it fit in quite nicely. Not only does it present the information in an uncluttered and easy-to-use fashion, it also worked well aesthetically — by that, I mean it looked good. The way I see it, there are only two alternatives: (1) the way it is now, in which there’s only a link that says “(details)”, or (2) the way that I’ve outlined below — namely, to just stick in all the information that the template provides, but in a much more cluttered and unsightly fashion, by simply listing everything. I think the second way is even worse, because it just takes up so much more space, but I thought I’d just let you guys see what it looks like:
:Flash memoryMemory Stick Duo*SD/MMC*CompactFlash*Audio/videoHDMI 1.3Component videoComposite videoS-VideoOptical digital audioAnalog stereo audioOther802.11b/g Wi-Fi*Bluetooth 2.04 × USB 2.0Wired Ethernet*60 GB version only
Meanwhile, here’s how the template would look (below and right-justified), for those of you who didn’t see it when it was integrated into the article (I only copied the necessary features for a CVG infobox; you can figure out exactly what it would look like in the actual article):
In my opinion, this option makes the most sense, both appearance-wise and information-wise. It’s obviously much more condensed than the list I posted above, and I think that it’s better for readers (especially those looking for information on the features) to be able to quickly glance at the infobox at the top of the article and obtain that information, instead of having to click on a link to a section of the article and then wade through a paragraph of text. This template clearly outlines the connectivity features, bullet-style, and I truly believe it’s the best encyclopedic option. If we get enough users to talk about this issue, perhaps we can put it to a vote. Please comment with your thoughts. —BrOnXbOmBr21 • talk • contribs • 02:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was involved in a debate involving another one of Ssolbergj's contributions, so I'm a bit dismayed at the prospect of going through the experience again. Oh, well. I personally think it's ugly, as someone who holds a fairly minimalist position on infoboxes, but I think the format would be okay if there was a consensus for it. I'm sure the format could be implemented in a more orthodox fashion. What I am firm about is that it shouldn't be incorporated through a transcluded template. If I felt that convenience ever provided an exception to the principle of not using the template namespace for hosting content, I would advocate it myself, particularly for sales data. Consolidating sales edits in one template would making updating pages much easier. My understanding, though, is that this is a firm restriction. I was involved in a deletion discussion involving , in which this convinced me to change my stance to discouraging that template's use. Dancter 04:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I checked up on it too, after I made my post, and you are correct. Nevertheless, the implications are significant, and not something that I feel should be treated lightly. As for substitution, I looked into it, and I wasn't able to get straight substitution to work for this specific template. I'll try some more later. As a single-purpose template, it doesn't actually have much of a purpose without transclusion, as there would be no need to edit and substitute the template, as the code could just be changed directly in the article. Dancter 08:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connectivity section of infobox 

message: Innovative Computing Laboratory, a group led by Jack Dongarra, in the Computer Science Department at the University of Tennessee, has just released SCOP3: A Rough Guide to Scientific Computing On the PlayStation 3, a practical guide to building PlayStation 3 clusters for parallel numerical computing.
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thread_title:  SCOP3: A Rough Guide to Scientific Computing On the PlayStation 3 

message: Hey, I was woundering, At E3'06 sony had like a little wii like motion censor on it, the thing is, that guy looked really unhappy playing that. So did they keep that in the final product, or did they drop it. 'Cause when I skimmed through the article I didn't see anything about that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.81.117.91 (talk) 00:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most people say it's tilt sensitive, but it's not, it's been said by IGN and PSM that it sences XYZ,yaw, pitch, something else.... and thats why it's called the six axis, it sences six different axises. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BobtheVila (talk • contribs) 20:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is motion sensitive... A great example of this is the yet to be released game Lair, in which you can control the dragon by tilting the controller.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.43.45.149 (talk • contribs) 19:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: erm, XYZ means yaw, pitch and roll. In my experiences I've seen it be able to sense left and right tilting, forward and backward tilting and a sharp vertical motion. (Try playing Super Rub a Dub) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr toasty (talk • contribs) 20:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: XYZ does not necessarily mean specifically yaw, pitch, and roll. I think BobtheVila was specifically referring to left-right, forward-backward, and up-down motions by term. Yaw, pitch, and roll refer to rotations. They all make up the six axes referenced through the name Sixaxis. Dancter 21:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The little motion censor thingy... 

message: To compete with the Xbox Elite Sony is reportedly going to release a 80 Gb model, though i dont think its matters much since your can swap your hard drive. Uber555 00:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Whilst Sony may indeed release a PS3 witha  bigger HDD, it does not do this to compete with the Elite, the 60GB is already superior to the elite.  The fact you can fit your own bigger hard disk in your PS3 without voiding the warrenty further extends this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mgillespie (talk • contribs) 07:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did you hear that?Chavmusiksux 16:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sony FINALLY confirmed that they are going to increase the hard drive, after deny the rumors.  Likely in response to the Xbox Elite package Pumapayam 21:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't look like a confirmation of a higher-capacity model to me, nor that it is considered a capacity increase of the premium model. There is no direct quote, and the Bloomberg statement in question is worded strangely, such that the possibility of mistakenly using "the" rather than "a", which changes the implied meaning significantly, is not out of the question. Just as the Elite is a new tier, the higher-capacity model may likewise be positioned a simply another option, rather than an upgrade or replacement. The key word is "considering". Dancter 22:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If they release anything, it will be an 80 GB PlayStation 3. But Sony knows that you can swap out the HDD, so that is why I heard that the 80 GB will also have a special thing on it, but I don't know what. The 80 GB PlayStation is now a prototype. It hasn't been announced yet. Sony patented the prototype and are experimenting with it. If they do release it, it won't be for a while. Last year, Microsoft said that they were experimenting with a new 120 GB Xbox 360 called the Zypher, but they said they would never release it. Sure enough, they did. I hope this happens with the PlayStation 3. -- TheN1Armyguy. 03:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  80(or +more) GB HDD  now confirmed! 

message: The Backwards compatibility section needs to be updated to reflect the fact that PS2 and PS1 hardware were removed from the PS3 for the European launch. The European PS3s rely on software emulation and thus emulate a far lower number of previous titles. Mouse Nightshirt 20:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. – ARC GrittTALK 20:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is it also worth noting under the European & Australian version header that of the 1,782 compatible  games only 1,276 are unique titles or that with the release of v1.70 259 new titles have been added, 234 have been upgraded; but 103 have been downgraded and 101 removed? FlipC 11:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backwards compatibility in Europe 

message: The repellent nature of this  article is so incredible, and this even is literally exploding all over the interwebs at the moment, i believe mention should be included in the reception section.
Just incredible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wageslave (talk • contribs) 03:24, 30 April 2007  (UTC)
:Perhaps this a mention can be proposed for inclusion in the God of War II article, or  Sony Computer Entertainment#Controversial Advertising Campaigns, but this doesn't seem to have anything to do with the PS3. Dancter 03:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is total Xbot nonsense.  It's got nothing to do with PS3 at all, and certainly doesn't belong here.  Gods Of War II is a PS2 Game!!!  Idiot... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mgillespie (talk • contribs) 12:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 Goat Slaughter Event 

message: Recently, Xenoslayer made some major edits to the Games section of the article, and while I don’t mean to single him/her out, I feel that the changes were not entirely useful. I’ve “fixed” a number of them, but I wanted to get a consensus from Wikipedians familiar with this article. Xenoslayer added a bunch of text to the first paragraph, and I’ve copied and pasted it below (here’s a link to the diff if you’re interested in digging deeper):
However, the console was criticized for offering such a limited number of top games, both at launch and in the following months. Also, despite the High Definition operability that the console offered, only NBA 07 displayed full 1080p resolution at launch. Several planned launch titles were delayed until 2007, such as The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, F.E.A.R., and Sonic the Hedgehog. The European released of the Playstation 3 in March saw seven extra titles added to the line-up, including Formula One Championship Edition, MotorStorm and Virtua Fighter 5. Because of the broader games selection this time round, the European launch was hailed as much more of a success.
I won’t focus on the very minor aesthetic issues here (they’re pet peeves for me, but I’ll restrain myself); instead, I was wondering what we should do with this block of text. In my opinion, there are two major problems with it: (1) it doesn’t have an NPOV and contains no references; and (2) I’m not quite sure that the text — at least the parts that mention specific games — should be in the Games section. I was thinking that, if anything, it could go in the Publicity and reception section of the article. Thoughts? —BrOnXbOmBr21 05:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has no references, so I personally wouldn't include it. Mouse Nightshirt 00:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Mouse Nightshirt (Sorry, that sounds so weird...)___J.delanoy 15:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games section: does this stuff belong there? 

message: What are the dimensions for the PS3? - Thai H. Nguyen 21:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the PlayStation Website, the PS3 is approximately 325 mm. (12.79 in.) wide x 98 mm. (3.86 in.) height x 274 mm. (10.79 in.)deep (it is not a perfect rectangular solid. The top is an arch). It weighs around 5 kg. (11.02 lbs.) Hope that helps___J.delanoy 23:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dimensions 

message: I read about the update 1.70 for the PlayStation 3:
"Added the ability to play PSOne games downloaded from the PlayStation Store, as well as adding rumble functionality for PS2 controllers when playing PS2 games. Saved data from PlayStation format software can now be used on both PSP and PS3 systems."
I'm questioning the statement that the vibration functionality has been added for the use of PlayStation 2 controllers. Looking at the fact that the only way the PlayStation 3 can use a PlayStation 2 controller is through a third party adaptor, I don't think Sony would add an update for a third party product. I'm not saying this is true, but somewhere I read that this might be because Sony is developing a vibration SIXAXIS controller, because Immersion Co. apologized to Sony after sueing them for having vibration in their first SIXAXIS controller, and stated before launch that Sony may develop a vibration SIXAXIS controller. Also, Immersion is losing a lot of possible royalties to a new SIXAXIS controller that doesn't exist, so its logical that they could be cheering on or even helping Sony for this new controller. The only other thing that vibration could be used for is a new SIXAXIS vibration controller. I'd like to hear some comments. --TheN1Armyguy. 19:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please look up a few comments, I just mentioned this entire thing. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 22:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update version 1.70 

message: New update. http://www.psu.com/node/10962
It has not appeared on jp.playstation.com yet, but it's also on Official PS forum.--w_tanoto 13:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This update has not been confirmed by Sony anywhere, it could be incorrect. I think references to the rumoured 2.00 should be removed for the time being. Viamp 14:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok I've reverted it back to 1.70, maybe Sony will officialy confirm at Gamers Day later if this is true. Viamp 15:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, did not read the article properly. I thought it was released already, but as usual, it's a bit late on website. I haven't actually try to check update from my ps3 yet. Thanks for reverting. just about to do it myself.--w_tanoto 10:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firmware 2.00 

message: Anyway to incorporate [this] into the main article? --Ozgod 21:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3 Fights Cancer

message: The lead needs expansion, I'm sure you guys are aware of this. Aaron Bowen 17:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: Both ASUS and Foxconn are taiwanese companies. But my PS3 is a Japanese version, with "made in Japan" stated on the label, so it is unlikely to be manufactured by them. I believe most of PS3 are made in China (which might actually refer to taiwan), but I don't know the manufacturer for "Made in Japan" machines. Maybe SCEI themselves?--w_tanoto 14:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manufacturer 

message: I was just reading the section about the PlayStation Network and I noticed that the last 3 paragraphs (detailing the PSN "gift cards" to be sold in Japan) have no citations at all. If someone could find some, I'd appreciate it. 69.205.185.158 22:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations Needed

message: Sony has announced a new firmware for the PlayStation 3, including upscaling to 1080p for DVD's, PS and PS2 games. Also network streaming from DLNA compatible devices. To be released tomorrow (24th May). Viamp 16:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I saw it. I can't believe that somebody lied to me on firmware 2.00 with all its interesting features.--w_tanoto 17:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it's out in japan, and the download is now available. http://www.jp.playstation.com/ps3/update/#pcud --w_tanoto 06:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firmware 1.80 

message: I'm wondering if it is appropriate to move some part of this article into PlayStation 3 launch. I spent some time today to make it looks better. This article is getting long, and it took me some time to load this page.--w_tanoto 21:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can fin a good place to take something out of the main article, just do it, and make sure you write in the edit summery where you put it.___J.delanoy 23:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try to do that when I got the time--w_tanoto 07:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I have already made a post about this here. Cheers – ARC GrittTALK 23:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move of part about the launch 

message: i believe this is a nice source regarding Foxconn / Asus manufacturing 
Aside from Foxconn and Asus... of course Sony does also manufacture PS3's, right?
also, i believe RSX is manufactured Sony Group's Nagasaki Fab2 as well as Oita TS Semiconductor Corp / OTSS (a joint fabrication facility of Toshiba and Sony) while Cell processors are manufactured at IBM's 300-mm wafer fabrication facility, followed by Sony Group's Nagasaki Fab2...
Magasin 09:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe yes..... sony do manufacture Ps3 themselves. if not, why mine (JPN version) is made in japan, while both mentioned manufacturers are based in taiwan--w_tanoto 09:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manufacturing 

message: Canada's MSRP for the PS3 is $659 CAD, not $699 CAD. It's just that most retailers chose to increase their price by $40 CAD after the Canadian dollar spiked. But now, it has sky rocketed and they still haven't decreased the price. There still are retailers like EB Games that sell it at $659 CAD. Mbslrm 16:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canada's Price 

message: Will it play any NTSC games for PS2.--Roxas 22:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, and 1.80 firmware you can upscalle PS2 games do 1080p resolution. --Ciao 90 14:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ???