Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Translations/archive

message: * If moving any of the articles, we shold use the official translations and not those given by WOSM.
* scout.org is no reliable source, half of the cases where a official translation exists are wrong. This means: We shouldn't accept scout.org as single source for a move.
* In every case we should check he usage via Google; a move does not make sense when the English translation is not in use on English pages but the non-English is heavenly used. Please remember, that the title should show the commonly used form. --jergen 13:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has come up before and needs settled once and for all. As I said last time, However the article names end up, we need redirects for each one. I strongly suggest no more changes be made til this is settled. Rlevse 02:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Whatever name we decide on, should make sense in English. We may have to address each one individually, but we should rely on the WOSM page, or a documented official trnslation. If there is no official translation, the name should be translated into a form that makes sense in English. Savez izviđača Hrvatske to Scout Association of Croatia is a good example. --evrik 02:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If we have to address each one individually, we can close this discussion and split it in (estimated) 150 individual discussions... --jergen 06:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion 1

message: These changes are being done in order to bring the foreign-language article titles into compliance with the spirit of both  WikiProject Scouting - Rules Standards, Article names and  Wikipedia:Naming conventions.
*Each foreign-language page will be discussed in the order that it appears on the WOSM page. The first page will be Beslidhja Skaut Albania, and the last The Boy Scouts Association of Zimbabwe. Notifications will be made on each talk page, but the discussion will be held here.
*If there is an official translations (by the organization) that should be the name of the article used.
*If there is no official translation:
** translations that are in frequent use in English sources
** WOSM membership list
**the name translated into a form that makes sense in English.
::should all be used to build a consensus on the name.
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Comments
*This is my take on a framework. --evrik (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Framework

message: From watching the very first of many discussions to come (Albania, see below), I think it is clear that coming up with English names for all organizations is both unwanted and impossible. As an alternative I suggest that we make redirects for all countries in the format Scouting in XXXX, like for example Scouting in the United States, which already exists. If there are more scouting organizations in that particular country, it will become a disambiguation page. If there is only one organization, we make it a redirect to the page of that particular organization, which then stays under its only official (non-english) name. This will allow easier navigiation and searching for scouting organizations in different countries, without all the trouble of coming up with impossible names that nobody uses except Wikipedia. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 12:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave this one its own section, because it is not a framework for deciding how to rename. It is an alternative proposal to not rename, but make logical, consequent, redirects instead. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 14:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this proposal-that way we are being both true to the organization and making them easy to find. Chris 01:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative proposal 

message: As discussed above I have moved the discussion down here as that section was getting long. The mediation is taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Translations mediation. Although I have not had a reply from User:English Subtitle, who has not made a WP contribution since 04:35, 20 January 2007, or evrik, who has not made a WP contribution since 13:12, 21 January 2007, I have decided to proceed. Please respond in the "Short responses from the editors involved on what the issue is and what the solution should be" section. jergen has already added something there. I hope we can reach some consensus without anyone going off the rails. However, if User:English Subtitle, or indeed anyone, does disrupt the mediation, I will take what action that seems appropriate. So, no moving pages until the mediation is completed. Please be civil. I would also ask all others to not add comments to the mediation page until after the three main people concerned have summarized their position and I have then made an initial response (probably a set of questions rather than a response). In other words I would prefer nothing else to happen right now other than the three main people concerned summarizing their position. I am not going to add anything myself until that has happened. --Bduke 06:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that Evrik agreed to both rounds, the second one on 20 Jan.Rlevse 10:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mediation

message: As I said before, I was just trying to start the discussion about the non-English names. Perhaps we can create a matrix to make it easier for people to see what we're talking about? --evrik 10:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: İzcilik translates to "tracking; scouting" no Guiding in name. --Egel Reaction? 11:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Matrix

message: The following are the countries listed at .
Article name                                  	WOSM National Scout Organisation name        	Proposed alternates
Scouts Musulmans Algériens                    	Algerian Muslim Scouts                       	
Fédération du Scoutisme Libanais              	Lebanese Scout Federation                    	Federation of the Lebanese Scout Movement
Association des Scouts et Guides de Mauritanie	The Scout and Guide Association of Mauritania	Scout and Guide Association of Mauritania
Fédération Nationale du Scoutisme Marocain    	National Federation of Moroccan Scouting     	National Federation of the Moroccan Scout Movement
Les Scouts Tunisiens                          	The Scouts of Tunisia                        	Tunisian Scouts,Tunisian Scouts AssociationBoth official translations ,
Note: Nearly all members of the WOSM-Arab region have official names in two or three languages, mostly in English (or French) and Arab. --jergen 07:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Arab Region Scouting

message: :İzcilik translates to "tracking; scouting" no Guiding in name. --Egel Reaction? 11:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: Article name                             	WOSM National Scout Organisation name                                                 	Proposed alternates
Associação de Escuteiros de Angola * talk	Scout Association of Angola  The Scout Association of Angola  Angola Scout Association	Association of Angolan Scouts,  Angolan Scout Association,  Angolan Association of Scouts, :pt:Associação de Escuteiros de Angola
*Support change from Portugese to English. --evrik (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Angola