Talk:Queen Emma of Hawaii

message: Based on this individual being included in the Calendar of saints (Episcopal Church in the United States of America), I am adding the :Category:Anglican saints and the Saints WikiProject banner to this article. I am awaiting reliable sources which can be used to add the content to the article. John Carter 20:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: Shouldn't this article mention Emma's candidacy for reigning Queen in the election won by Kalakaua?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.17.174 (talk) 03:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  election loss to Kalakaua 

message: Is this really true, or is this weasel?72.234.33.17 (talk) 12:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "If she had become queen she could have stop the Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy"? 

message: This article needs a thorough go-over by a native English speaker to fix grammar and spelling. I started going through it, but some sections can only be properly improved with additional information, and I am sadly lacking source materials.
Sleepsong (talk) 20:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: And possibly, dare I say, racist to include this sentence Despite being a quarter English by blood, her complexion was as fully dark as if she were of unmixed Hawaiian descent, and her features, though refined by education and circumstances, were also Hawaiian. in her biography--as though her physical appearance has anything to do with she as a person. NoirFemme 11:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So unfortunately, Queen Emma was probably discriminated against because of her ethnicity by the "pure-blooded" kanakamaoli_Hawaiians who have a quaint nickname for people mixed ethnicity: "HAPA-HAOLE" or "Half-Foreigner."  This is much like the 100% Japanese-nationals from Japan calling all foreigners, "Gai-jin."32.176.202.214 (talk) 01:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: People are taking this description of the Queen by Isabella Bird too seriously. Have you read the rest of the description complementing the Queen? It's just how people wrote back in the Victorian age and described people. And no Queen Emma was never discriminated against in her lifetime by Hawaiians for her mixed ancestry. Hapa-haole and haole were not racial slurs or offensive terms in Queen Emma's time; they have only been made so in the last 100 years. The Native Hawaiians actively supported her candicacy as Queen in the Royal Election of 1874 over the pure-blooded Hawaiian Kalakaua and rioted when the legislature voted otherwise.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnocentric 

message: *Kaoanaeha and Kekuaokalani were not daughter and son of Kamehameha I.
*Many sources, some comtemporary, refer to them as his niece and nephew.
*If Queen Emma had been descendant of Kamehameha I. Wouldn't she have known it more than you?  Such a claim would have helped her 1872 campaign even more than her believe that she was the great-grandniece of Kamehameha I.
*Kamehameha I had consolidated Big Island and killed Keoua Kuahuula, the last of his opposition on the Big Island in 1791.
*King Keawemauhili of Puna (better known for his rule in Hilo) died in 1790, killed by the Keoau mentioned above.
*The last legitimate male descendant of Kamehameha I WAS Kamehameha V, the bachelor.  After him only Bernice Pauahi, Ruth Keelikolani, and Albert Kunuiakea, an illegitimate son of Kamehameha III.
*All four Hawaiian constitution clearly state that the throne goes to the lawful heir and blood of the reigning monarch, and it does not necessarily guarantee succession just because one is a descendant of Kamehameha I.  For example, rewinding back a little, Kamehameha V had no right to succeed Kamehameha IV since his brother never designated an heir even though Kamehameha V was a descendant of Kamehameha I.  Although Kamehameha's descendants were preferred to the other chiefly lines.
*There was never a Clarke Lunalilo.  I think you mean Charles William.
*Kalakaua and Liliuokalani never acknowledge Albert Kunuiakea's claim as an illegitimate son of Kamehameha III or Queen Emma's claim as a descendant of the only full brother of Kamehameha I.  They denied both claims.  Such claims would have undermine their right to rule the throne since they were only descendants of cousins of Kamehameha I.  Both Albert Kunuiakea and Queen Emma ran for the election of 1872, but only Emma was seriously an opponent to Kalakaua due to her (possible) descent from the full brother of Kamehameha I, Chief Keliimaikai and his second wife, Kalikookalani; and also her status as the wife of the deceased Kamehameha IV.
*Liliuokalani explanation on Queen Emma's genealogy only said Queen Emma was the descendant Kaleipaihala, a son of Kalaniopuu.  This would equal the playing field between both women. It did not said that Emma was descendant from Kamehameha I.  I seriously think Liliuokalani had some jealousy of Queen Emma, you could tell by reading her bibliography.  Although I don't think Queen Emma was any less harsh on her, but I wouldn't know since I never read any of Emma's own works.
*I see you claim to be descendant of Kamehameha I and Kekuaokalani.
*Kiilaweau, man or woman?  Keoua, man or woman?  Alapai, man or woman?  I don't know about the first, but I can clearly tell you there was a male Keōua Kalanikupuapaʻikalaninui Ahilapalapa, father of Kamehameha I, and a female Keoua-wahine, mother of Kalanipauahi and grandmother of Ruth Keelikolani. And a male Alapainui, the Hawaiian King Herod who tried to kill Kamehameha I, and a female Alapaiwahine, great-grandmother of Kalākaua and Liliuokalani.  Hawaiian names are unisexual and there could have been a male Kiilaweau as well as a female Kiilaweau.
*Also male Kiilaweau, uncle of Mataio Kekuanaoa is sometime given as father of Kekuanaoa instead of the more popularly known Nahiolea.  This male Kiilaweau was the son of the King Alapai I just mentioned.
*I never read The History of my Kuamo'o-Sun Family of Hilo & Honolulu, Hawaii, but I notice the “my” in it.  I highly doubt this can be reliable compare to history books and contemporary biographies.  I mean I can write a book detail my descent to the Liu Bang of the Han Dynasty, which I was told to be descendant maternally from, but do I really have prove?  No.
*George Naea was not the son of Keliimaikai.  I agree with W Nowicki on this. A while back, I made a mistake on trusting Rootsweb and Royal Ark when most book sources state that Naea's parent were lesser known chiefs, Kamaunu and Kukaeleiki.  See Talk:Nāmākēhā for the genealogy of George Naea and his brother Nāmākēhā.  I urged a creation of articles Naea and Keliimaikai, stubs maybe which we need to monitor for unreliable and unreferenced informations.
*One little thing Mr. Kuamo'o. Please could you mind your language and speak civilize-like like all Wikipidians. W Nowicki has pointed out his concerns, and you could do well to listen.
*Wikipedia is a neutral source.  We can't write an article based on one person's claims and opinions.
*The actual existent of Pa'ao of Tahiti is questionable.
*Mr. Kuamo'o, I advise you to create an user account instead of anonymous editing everywhere.  It's not a hard process.
*How, Mr. Kuamo'o, do you know the sexual potency of a Hawaiian chief that was never documented or known except through oral traditions?  Do not make unproven claims that Keliimaikai was STERILE.
*Stop using the Kiilaweau deal cause it doesn't help your case.  It only proves Liliuokalani's claim.
*From your personal and bias standpoint on this issue.  I am unwilling to believe anything that you have said on this subject.  What make you any different from those ludicrous false pretenders who believe themselves to be descendant of Kamehameha I or Liliuokalani?  *Would Wikipedia have Prince William of Wales editing biasly on his grandmother's article and accept it just he has a personal standpoint on that issue?
*One last thing, Mr. Kuamo'o all this name-calling and insults is really immature.
*Also I agree that we need to protect this article or at least semi-protect it.
--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flaws to Mr. Kuamo'o's ''Facts'' 

message: I think this article needs to be moved to something that is more along the lines of the other Royal Family naming conventions an is within the MOS.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
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