Talk:7th Heaven (TV series)

message: I want you to know it is one word, not two words.  It is Glenoak.  Look at the show, the hospital sign, the newspaper name, everything else there is no space and oak is not upper case.  DO NOT CHANGE THIS UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE IT AND YOU CAN'T.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:804:0:3AA8:4C98:90AD:1F84:2E6A (talk) 10:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Glenoak

message: I have to say, this makes no sense to me:  "... has been renewed for its 10th (2005 - 2006) season, making it the longest-running family program in television history." What does "family program" mean here? A program which is centred on a single family? Because then you would (obviously) have The Simpsons with a longer run. Or a program that is watched by "all the family"? Because the Aussie soap Home and Away qualifies on that score. Or is it an American usage I'm not aware of?  RMoloney 01:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think it means familily show from a conservative/Christian point-of-view ie Touched by an Angel...basically the kind of program I consider to be god awful crap ! Dowew 00:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Family program

message: The term "family program" in the USA is given to a show that has content that is appropriate for all family members to watch, regardless of their age.  These shows would typically have little or no violence, simulated sex or sex inuendo, nudity, or profanity.  They typically have story lines that have a moral to their story so as to reinforce positive wholesome values.
I truly feel sorry for anyone in any country who would opine that these types of shows are as one has said god-awful.  Would that the entire world was filled with people who practice and respect these moral values.
: "appropriate for all family members" according to autocratic "moral clarity" vanguards.  (Personally, if the world were filled with these closet psychos, the Camdens, just shy of drinking the kool-aid, I couldn't move fast enough towards the sweet release of death.  Watch some Aeon Flux instead and get some perspective!) 71.162.255.58 05:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Program Terminology - USA 

message: "The series lasted from 1996-2006."
By my calender it's only Dec 05, is there a crystal ball involved? Avalon 05:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Duration

message: "However, the fact that there is mention of church deacons would indicate Congregational or Baptist; the fact that he is addressed and referred to as "Reverend Camden" rather than "Mr. Camden" would indicate a somewhat extreme evangelical orientation"
I went to a Methodist church growing up which had at least one deacon.  It was neither extreme nor evangelical, but the ministers weren't addressed as "Mr. So-and-So" either.  For these reasons, I believe that the above quoted section of the article might need to be changed.
A deacon in a Methodist church is quite different from in the Congregationalist/Baptist tradition, where the deacons are equivalent to a Presbyterian session or an Anglican/Episcopal parish council. A Methodist deacon is a lesser order of ordained clergy, comparable to deacons in the Catholic and Anglican/Episcopal tradition; there is likely to be only one or two in a congregation. "Reverend So-and-So" is correct in Protestant Ireland and this has been carried over to the more conservative evangelical Protestant denominations in North America but it is indicative of that sort of tilt in churchmanship. Congregationalist and Presbyterian clergy -- and certainly Anglican/Episcopal and the more middle class Methodists -- would certainly prefer not to be "Reverend So-and-So" but rather "the Reverend Mr/Dr/Mrs/Miss/Ms So-and-So" and would regard the former as incorrect. Masalai 17:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've spent my entire life in the Methodist church. Our pastor for 25 years went by Mr. He retired about five years ago, and his replacement goes by "Pastor" or Dr. It is just a personal preference on the part of the pastor. SkittlzAnKomboz 17:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denomination 

message: The section reads, "If the congregation were Baptist one might expect to hear "Reverend Camden" referred to from time to time as the "pastor"".
Are you kidding me? Let's just say, for starters, that the rambling on about what the church might be and then ending with: "Possibly this mixture of denominational indicators..." is ridiculous. Simply say that there is no specific demonination of the church mentioned, and if the word "possibly" MUST go in there (although it probably shouldn't, as this is supposed to be a factual article), then just mention it. Son't go on and on. But back to the referring to Lucy and Eric as "pastors"- they have Associate Pastors (Lucy and STAR Chandler- remember?!), and I think Eric and Lucy actually ARE referred to as "pastors" once or twice. This needs to be changed. 
Can I change it? Emily 21:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it considered necessary to identify Rev. Camden's church with a particular denomination? The fact that it's called "Community Church" is consistent with Non-denominational Christianity. The entire section about "denomination" seems to be emphasized too much in this article. --Metropolitan90 05:15, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More "Demonination" Section Problems 

message: The article states that the true reason for the show's success might have to do with the fact that it is not preachy or judgmental. Not only is that completely unverifiable, but I find that a show about a pastor telling his kids, neighbours, and friends what is right and what is wrong is kind of preachy. - Unmitigated Success
Well, the show is very guarded. In the episode "Vote", people were on oposing sides, but no one mentioned Bush or Kerry... so no one watching would feel that their views were being "judged". Instead of teaching that abortion, for instance, is wrong (or not), the topic never comes up, ever. In this way, no one can be offended. Emily (Funtrivia Freak) 19:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not judgmental

message: There's a problem in the last paragraph.
"Her appearance in the 10th season finale, though limited, shed light on events taking place during the last few months. Mary graduated college the same weekend as Matt and Sarah, reunited with husband Carlos, and is pregnant with twin girls. Although she was not with the family, her conversation with her husband during the episode revealed that their reunion took place during Matt and Sarah's graduation ceremony, the first time they had all been together in almost three years, also suggesting some final resolution to the estrangement that had been present since Season 5."
It is impossible for Carlos and Mary to have reunited at Matt and Sarah's graduation, as that graduation was scheduled to take place the day after the events seen this episode. I don't recall the actual situation mentioned of how they reunited, but it clearly wasn't this one.
Also, in addition to the scene of her talking on the phone, she showed up in an imaginary sequence earlier in the episode, where she interrupted Simon and Rose's wedding ceremony.12.75.53.85 04:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jessica Biel section 

message: *Please help expand this page: List of 7th Heaven Characters It needs a lot of work. -AMK152 15:31, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters

message: “... many American Protestant denominations do not permit women to occupy a clerical position.” Where does this come from? Most Protestant demoninations I am aware of here in the U.S.A. have female clergy. This statement needs verification. —  Michael J  23:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Ordination_of_women#Examples_of_specific_churches.27_ordination_practices.  Many do not: Presbyterian Church in America, Orthodox Presbyterian Church, Reformed Church in the United States, probably some independents as well, etc. etc. I'll remove the  accordingly. -- The Great Gavini 16:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denomination ''(redux)'' 

message: A 2004 episode about the importance of voting on election day seemed to suggest that men in the family were voting for incumbent president George W. Bush while the women were voting for Massachusetts Senator John Kerry
Where in this episode is a clue that Eric & Kevin vote for Bush and Annie & Lucy for Kerry? There was absolutely no clue AFAIR.--84.142.162.135 11:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Election

message: I would really like to see voiced opinions about this show. I would add both a section for praise, but also a section for skeptics. For me, I am a european, this show is pretty dramatic in its continuing touting of american white moral standards, lack of diversity of opinions, and speculative upbringing. For me, those kids seem traumatised by their parents, though the parents love them, I personally think the show touts "tough love". I would believe an article about a large and long-running show like 7th Heaven benefits a section about opinions regarding the show. 84.48.23.161 00:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A section for criticism

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thread_title: Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

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message: Just wanted to note that the article references a non-existant "Jessica Biel's departure" section in the text.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.253.29.167 (talk) 13:39, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the reference. There had been a section named that, but it was removed last year for lack of sourcing. —Ed!(talk) 16:31, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing 'Jessica Biel's departure' section? 

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