Talk:Wii/Archive 17

message: Does anyone know if the Wifi USB Connecter will be compatible with Wii, i.e. allow Wii to use the net if it can't detect your router like the DS? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Arkhiver
:I think it does, at least devkits do, as showed on IGN weekly 30. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.23.11.197 (talk • contribs) .
::I think on IGN Weekly they connected using SSID... Arkhiver 01:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wifi USB Connector

message: I would change it myself, but can't, so I'm just making it known that Excite Truck WILL be available in the United Kingdom on launch, at least from the major online retailers such as amazon.co.uk.  Can someone please change this?
OnionHead 15:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Online stores are not reliable release date sources. For example many still have Wario Ware Twisted down for launch. Sockatume 18:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excite Truck (UK) 

message: Target is selling stands, gloves, etc.  Should we add that?--User:NFAN3|NFAN3 17:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Target?

message: I know that the Wii is attracting a lot of attention worldwide, but is there really any need for the page to be so vastly long? A lot of the informatio could be moved to individual pages (list of launch titles, wii channels info, etc.), and some of the information is just useless to anyone who's not a major fanboy looking for news on the Wii (the amazon pre-order problem, the retail packaging list that could be shortened and added somewhere else). Also, if there's already a page devoted to certain sections (Wii Channels, NFWC/WiiConnect24, the controller), is there really any need for the information to be so comprehensive on this page? Seriously, I'm interested in the Wii and all but the page is massive and untidy and could be vasty improved. If people agree I'll start making some edits. Noit88 17:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, you began your edits before anyone could respond to this post. Just64helpin 19:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just64 is right, you shouldn't make such major edits (like removing entire sections), without getting a consensus from the other people who also edit the page. TJ Spyke 20:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't normally agree with TJ Spyke, but this time I have to. Removing something that has no sources what-so-ever is OK as long as you state why it needed to go, but removing info just because you feel that there's to much, well this needs to be discuss first. Although no one owns the Wii page, if the majority agrees on something, well you get the idea.  Duhman0009 01:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I've just done some light formatting and organizing on the very top of the Wii section, as you can see. What really needs to be organized next (not obliterated or deleted - organized) is the "Launch" section. The Release Date and Price section hardly even entails the release dates, or the prices, until paragraphs below. Perhaps there needs to be a sub-section called "Pre-Launch History" there, or something of the sort? —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 05:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well while we're at it then, why not group all the Wii channels, I personally feel that it's not worth describing them all, naming them in one paragraph should be more than enough. Duhman0009 05:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed about the Wii Channels part, since there is a whole article for them. TJ Spyke 06:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unrequired Information?

message: The site aussie-nintendo.com, in their report of CNN's collaboration with the Wii News, mentions that the most recent issue of the UK's Edge magazine claims that there is an "Enhanced Wii with DVD playback" due for release in Japan next year. --Billdorr 06:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would most likely be like the Panasonic Q, the basic system but with the ability to play DVDs. TJ Spyke 06:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I read that at 9AM this morning (GMT-5) and I'm taking that with a grain of salt. They wouldn't announce that right before launch. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 06:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That Was Edge who reported it, Nintedo themselves have not said anything. TJ Spyke 06:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd say it's unlikely, as there's no benefit (and lots of cost) to adding a DVD-ROM drive. It's not part of the Wii philosophy, just as it wasn't part of the GameCube philosophy. I wouln't be surprised to see a third party add-on to allow DVD playback, or some alternative version like the Q mentioned above, but I doubt we'll see a DVDWii. And if it's true, the timing of the announcement is inconceivably dumb. Kelvingreen 09:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm... wow. That's just... wow. Take a look at a site like Newegg. Price of a CD-ROM drive: $12 or so. Price of a DVD-ROM drive: $18 or so. The price difference truly is negligible. Also, unless I'm seriously mistaken, the Wii isn't using CDs. Even the Gamecube needed more space than a CD had. Hell, even the Dreamcast used more than CDs provided. Again unless I'm seriously mistaken the Wii is already going to have a DVD-ROM in it. The price is next to nothing and the capacity is greatly needed. There is tons of benefit and no "lots of cost". And I do find it funny, really, that Nintendo feels that DVD playback isn't something people will need (after all they're not like Sony, trying to make an all-in-one device), even though they have everything in place for it hardware-wise, yet being able to view pictures and videos from your camera card (which has added cost, adding the card readers and such) is worthy of the final cut. Silly silly Nintendo. --Twile 17:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject or its features. Just64helpin 18:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and added it. While I'm a little leery of Edge after the whole "Virtual Console Controllers" confusion, I consider GamesIndustry.biz reliable enough. Dancter 19:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion was to not add it until its confirmed by Nintendo. Please don't add it again, or, if you feel it should be in, wait for a consensus. This was not confirmed by Nintendo, and adding current rumor like this can make our Wiki untrustworthy. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 20:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about you, but if a reliable source states that Nintendo stated it directly to them, I consider that a confirmation. I understood the discussion to be about the reliability of the Edge article. I'll wait for a new consensus, but I don't think that in any way I violated a pre-existing one. Dancter 22:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gi.biz has confirmation from a Nintendo spokesperson. If it's not added yet (I've not looked yet) I'll stick it in. "Virtual Console Controllers" confusion? You mean that inch-square photo and caption which the blogosphere jumped on and massively misinterpreted? Sockatume 22:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still contend that some of that blame rests on Edge for sloppiness. Dancter 22:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What sloppiness? They made it pretty clear it was just a mock-up Nintendo were showing off, and not an actual product. Not that you can tell it from a picture, a caption, and somebody's entirely speculative internet forum post. Sockatume 17:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD Enhanced Wii on the way?

message: Some shots and info on the Wii GUI were released by IGN, you can check them out here. It would be helpful if someone added any images and info. :) --Anas Salloum 18:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii GUI revealed! 

message: (prev. Remove/Edit: Long Introduction & Wii Channels)
Disputed Talk
The Following sections are disputed: Wii in Popular Culture
When adding your opinions, please use the bold headers "support'" or "oppose" if making a point. Please follow this up as to why you chose your specific choice. If you have a comment or question, use the bold terms "comment" and "question" where applicable.
===Wii in Popular Culture===
The Wii in Popular Culture section has been a form of debate over the last 24 hours. Its time to bring the discussion here. Those who support this section believe that its a useful tool for culture to know where the Wii has been seen. The opposition believes this list will get ridiculously large and ultimately a weight on this article. Discussion below will give us a better understanding of the issues. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 07:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed Talk 

message: Introduction
Issue 1: The 30th of October build, before edited by John Mash, presented [here], I believe is a more effective (in the sense that this is an encyclopedia, not a book) method of formatting the introduction. Splitting off into links where the user can find more information, or moving them into more appropriate categories, would be more effective.
In question is the following quote from the introduction.
I believe the first paragraph of the quote would more effectively be presented in an "Introduction Category" such as "Selling Points". The whole E3 thing should be in the history.
EDIT: "Introduction Category" sounds lame. The beginning there is okay. Leave it there. The E3 thing, instead of putting it in "History", make the category "Inception", "Birth of Wii", "Dawn of Wii" or something else that really shows that it's "Wii", not "The Wii" or "Nintendo Wii".
Comments? —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 20:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Reply, Issue 1 has to do with construction and E3 history (it's the past). This would need a place to go - it shouldn't be in the introduction. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 02:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Reply, I understand that there should be a section about the history, but the section needs another title because history is just to broad. The section should be pre-release, not pwii-release, or just something like pre-release. Then maybe we can add subsections about development and pre-orders and such. DivineShadow218 06:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Reply, So in other words, you Support With Ammendment? AKA your idea? —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 07:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Past Disuputed Talk

message: Why is the Wii article in the Category:Low-importance_computer_and_video_game_articles?  It is one of the three "Next-Gen" consoles, not a small sub-article. SeanMon 02:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is for [Wikipedia 1.0]. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 02:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the section on importance of topic to see why its given such a low rating. — Jaxad0127 02:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the reason why PS3 had a rating of "High"? The PS3 article is a mess compared to the Wii article. TJ Spyke 03:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's down to low now. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 06:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorization: 

message: This article is saying that it's confirmed that there's around 27 games available on launch day, which is simply not true.  Even the links provided for a source say around 15-16 on launch day.  The "30 launch titles" that are being reported are for the launch window, not launch day.  I can provide numerous sources to this effect, but can't find a difinitive list of what titles will actually be available on launch day.  Can anyone else?  Either way, we need to change the wording in the article...27 games on launch day is innacurate.  CPitt76 02:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the titles on that list have been confirmed for launch, so the count is accurate. TJ Spyke 03:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aren't you gonna remove Elebits?   Duhman0009 05:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because if you look at the table you will see that it is a launch title in Japan. TJ Spyke 05:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They have been confirmed for launch window, but not launch day.  Only about half of those titles are going to be available on launch day.  I'm not arguing that we remove any of the titles, but that we change the wording that precedes the table, since right now it's incorrect.  Check the source for some of the games on the table to see what I mean.  CPitt76 00:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the games with "Yes" have been confirmed to be LAUNCH games, not launch window games. TJ Spyke 01:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The citation is old, all 27 of those games have been confirmed by one source or another to be out on launch DAY. There just isn't a list having them all together. TJ Spyke 03:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, you are sourcing GameInformer. Can you use another source with exact dates, or show us your source, so we can put this into a better context? I'm hearing opposition to the current table, but I am not seeing it cited. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 04:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree that the list should just be labelled as "Launch Window Games" along with the games that are expected to come out during the launch window. The shipment date for games often changes at the last moment, so it would be much cleaner and easier to maintain if the precise shipping date is mentioned on the games' own article page. Unplugged68 06:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A list of "launch window" games is not informative. Only actuall launch games should be listed. TJ Spyke 06:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo will have a complete, concise list of all games coming out on release day within 2 weeks, so right now, this is probably the most concise list on the internet, so wait it out and hold your hats. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 08:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Launch Titles

message: Just a quick note- Nintendo has revealed that the wii will be region coded.
would a member please add this in as I am not a member and new members cant add content to this page
:There is still speculation to this - just because America says it's region-free and Europe says it's not, doesn't mean anything. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 19:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't trust any gaming company from Europe, we know that they hate it when people there import because it hurts their business (although it's their fault for always releasing games and system after NA and Japan). I don't need to remind anyone of the SCEE Vs. Lik-Sang case.  Duhman0009 02:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They have also been wrong before. I remember the head of NOE saying there wouldn't be a redesign of the DS, then NOJ announced the DS Lite less than a week later. TJ Spyke 02:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii region coding 

message: Is there any organized plan for the changing of future tense in regards to the article's subject? Many changes will have to be made to the article once the console is released. Just64helpin 17:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a page here, with pages that will be affected by the Wii launch (in more than tense perhaps as well). I think it would be a good idea to organize something where each person gets, say, 3 or 4 articles to edit (depending on the number of participants) so that we can have up-to-date info within two hours or so. Scepia 19:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense changes 

message: Not being nationalist or anything, but ALL of the flags are below in the "launch" area of the page, with release dates. If you really want to put the Canadian flag, or any other flag, in the release section on the top right, you might as well just add every nations flag, and that'd be a cluster-fuck, pardon my language. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 20:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite a point there.  But what flags should we put in the upper right, then?--the ninth bright shiner halloween 21:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually the EU flag represents Europe in general (unless specific countries have different release dates), US represents North America (unless other NA countries have different dates), and Australia represents both Australia and New Zealand. TJ Spyke 21:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I suppose what we already have will do.  Just seemed sort of wrong to let the big, well-known countries swallow up the little ones in terms of whether their flag gets to be displayed on the Wikipedia article on Wii.  Bah, I'm being overly sensitive.--the ninth bright shiner halloween 21:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've siad it before, but either say 'see chart below' that has all the release dates in it, or simply divide it into regions without flags (ie: instead of US, Mexico and Canada, write North America, etc.). This will not cause a nationlist fight. --Thaddius 14:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Canada Flag

message: We discussed above (on this talk page) of this rumor, and how it probably shouldn't be added until Nintendo can confirm it. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 20:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo has confirmed this, . They also confirm that there are no plans to release it outside of Japan. TJ Spyke 20:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Roger that. I'll get that back in there then. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 22:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I mentioned this when I re-added it yesterday. I also edited it to read "A Nintendo spokesperson has confirmed that..." in order to make it clear what the source was. Sockatume 17:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD/Video Wii

message: Is the "No" supposed to indicate that it will not be available at the North American release date, or that it has not been confirmed to be released in North America at all?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bytemaster (talk • contribs) 
:It's under "confirmed launch titles," so I suppose it indicates that it will not be available at the North American release date.  Oh, and please sign your comments with four tildes (like this:~~~~).--the ninth bright shiner halloween 22:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Orannis is right. If there is a "Yes", that means it has been confirmed to be a launch title in that region. If it says "No", that means its been confirmed it will not be a launch title in that region. "Unknown" of coarse means we don't know if it will or will not be a launch game in that region. TJ Spyke 22:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Thank you.  I have noticed several of the games listed as No for North America have definitely been confirmed to be released in North America, but not necessarily on launch day.  I wanted to ask before making edits that would just be reversed.  Again, thank you.--Bytemaster 07:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  North American Release Games 

message: Firstly, good call Dancter with the flagging of the Hardware: Processor section.
Supposedly, someone found a link to what the processor "really" is (a 900mHz PowerPC) with a Kotaku Source.
I tracked down the processor they meausured up to it, and put up a link to the source. However, this should probably be discussed and analyzed.
I presented the information. What do you see? —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 05:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ars Technica presents a decent assessment of the information. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061031-8112.html While a sound case is made for the specs, the same thing could be said of other alleged specs that were rejected by consensus. It's still not a confirmation. I think that we've kept out rumored specs for so long that we might as well just wait a few more weeks until some tech site does the inevitable under-the-hood examination of an off-the-shelf unit. Dancter 06:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is obvious that Nintendo is not releasing the specs because they appear week to the other consoles - The Wii was not made for very high performance. The Technical specs from IGN were from dev hardware as are technica's. There is no reason to believe they are incorrect. There is a poor double standard being shown here. If only Nintendo's official version is to be included that most of this article needs to be removed. - anon 155.144.251.120 21:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no unfair double standard. IGN, frankly, screws things up. They were the ones that were first reporting that the sensor bar actually has sensors, despite Ars Technica reporting that it's just an LED bar around the same time. They said that the Wiimote had an "eye" that might be able to be used as a megapixel camera, despite it just being an IR sensor for the pointer functionality. That no reliable or semi-reliable source has confirmed IGN's specs just makes it worse. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were both right about the eye, it's a generic 1Mpixel CCD camera behind an IR filter. Most cheap CCDs can see into the IR, in fact: I've seen plenty of game show photos of the Sensor Bar with the IR LEDs lit up bright purple.Sockatume 15:18, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. IGN made no indication that it was an IR eye though. They said it was optical, and that might act like a camera (in function, ie. actually taking optical-light photos), but that's the whole of it. Considering that they left out the LED bit, it was misleading. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose they weren't really clear about it being used as an image sensor rather than an actual camera. Them's the breaks when you report rumours, I guess - their source probably didn't know beyond it being a CCD image sensor.Sockatume 16:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: They also don't state that they know that this chip is the Wii chip. It's a Gekko-like chip being released around the same time as the Wii. It's not necessarily the same thing. It could be, or it could be for some other embedded application that we don't know about. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: That may be a very long wait. http://wii.ign.com/articles/674/674611p1.html Dancter 21:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Processor 

message: There are two templates, one for simply Nintendo hardware, another wfor the Wii specifically with a link to the wiimote underneath. I can't remove the regular Nintnedo one cause the site is locked, just thought I'd say that so it can be removed when the site is unlocked again. --Thaddius 14:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Thaddius. I'll look into this and get back to you in about 5 minutes. :) —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 20:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the time I was done throwing it out, it had already been taken care of! Removed:  —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 20:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two 'Nintendo Hardware' Templates 

message: Near the beginning of the seond paragraph, it says "The key difference between the Wii console and its competition is its wireless controller, the Wii Remote...". What does its competition mean? Maybe it should be its competitors? (Referring to other consoles) --ExterayT.C 03:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo does not even say that the PS3 and XBOX360 are its competition (competition relates to the 360 and PS3. Competitors relate to Microsoft and Sony). However, we know they are, and what you just said is exactly the same thing, less a small unnecessary grammar change. It's fine the way it is. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 04:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It reads more like a declaration of war than anything else. Just64helpin 18:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, to get literal, they aren't necessarily allies in this fight for a gaming monopoly. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 21:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: Can someone tell me what a USD is because i have no idea.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.71.151 (talk • contribs) 
:U.S. dollar--76.211.6.191 20:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've linked "USD" to its related article now. Just64helpin 18:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Whats a USD

message: I think that the Virtual Console is more than just a channel and I think it should have it's own subentry in the Features section. Arkhiver 23:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is just a channel. Besides, there is a article for it at Virtual Console (Wii) (although others have turned it into a mess). TJ Spyke 23:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: VC Section

message: The 2 titles I added got removed twice I think now. I don't mind information being removed but I do mind when correct information is removed as it makes the article less useful. Here is the link that I provided (but obviously did not get looked at lol) where it clearly states that they are launch titles. 
Thanks! :)Jimmy93211 12:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about your trouble mate, a lot a of people here shoot first and ask questions later. This is one of the many problems with Wikipedia, many users feel like the page belongs to them and will remove any editing unless we warn them first, proof or no proof. Plus I Googled for 1 minute and found another site that prooves your added titles: http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/thelegendofzelda/news.html?sid=6160830  Duhman0009 13:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh its all cool. Its just that I posted the games as I read it on IGN, someone asked for proof, I gave it too them and then he deleted it?!?lol I thought I should post it in here so it clears the confusion. Thanks 80.229.241.200 18:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added them back the first time. It sounds like the editor read the part at the bottom saying they would be out by the end of the year, but didn't see that 3 of them will be out for the UK launch. You did the right thing though by providing a source, too often in the past somebody has added or removed games without any proof. TJ Spyke 20:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, sorry about that. I checked your sources and found the System3 games on the bottom first, then I jumped to an obvious and easily assumed, though wrong, conclusion. —Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 03:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: System 3 titles are launch titles