Talk:White Separatism

message: That is one of the more stupid comments I've ever heard on wikipedia. Sam Spade does not know what he is talking about (a trend?), comparing white separatists to libertaraians is borderline retarded. As for the National Alliance being a "white seperatist" organization, sorry the facts point in the opposite direction the late (thankfully) Dr. William Pierce who headed the organization was anything but someone who wanted to "run away" from his problems at all he advocated a violent revolution against those he saw as trying to destroy him and his people (see Turner Diaries as well as his transcipted speechs on the National Alliance site). Maybe he felt as though he was striking BACK against some perceived injustice against him but by no means was he going to go anywhere and hide from his "problems". The fact is, white seperatism is a racist belief system in which the advocate believes in White Supremacism-hence he/she does not want to mix or deal with other races. This argument over whether white seperatists believe in white supremacism is ridiculous. Particularily when there is no evidence to support the position that there are indeed white seperatists or white separatist organizations who are not in fact, white supremacists or hold white supremacist beliefs. GrazingshipIV 12:06, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)
:"Stupid" and "retarded" comments? Not exactly. You may be correct in that Dr. Pierce was not the kind of person to "run away" from problems and that he did advocate a revolution, and a violent one if necessary, to prevent the planned destruction of the White Race via miscegenation and the massive Third-World and mostly Non-White Immigration/Invasion of America and the rest of the White Western World. But, White separatism, like any other "separatism", DOES NOT imply "supremacy", whatsoever, and neither does it "racism", but, only the continued "SURVIVAL" and advancement of ones' own quite UNIQUE GROUP IDENTITY and ones own UNIQUE GROUP CHARACTERISTICS. The National Alliance is a White separatist group that is not "racist" nor does it officially have nor officially hold "White supremacist" beliefs, as the quoted speech by Kevin Alfred Strom of the National Alliance has made quite clear, here:  
:and in their offical GOALS of the National Alliance found on their two main websites: http://www.natvan.com or http://www.natall.com  
:You, in fact, were wrong and your POV bias of "glee" at another persons' death, ie. Dr. Pierce's, is solid proof of that fact.-PV
First off when you put something in quotations the otherperson has to say (or state) it I never stated I had ""glee"" over his death I am just glad he is dead because he was a rather nasty human being. Your statement as to the goals of the national alliance prove my point, particularly about racism. You admit to the racism (not yours but of the groups) by using a term like "UNIQUE GROUP IDENTITY" that being the white race as a group. That standard of thinking is textbook racism which anyone who determines that other human beings be compartmentalized along racial lines (note this would include Louis Farakhan and Malcom X) racism is a beleif in race as being factually true. By stating that race as a biological feature exists you are a racist. I do understand that the term itself has negative conotations (as I feel it does) but racism has been around since the early social darwinism movement in Europe so its popular among many. I am stating that "White Seperatism", as defined and used, has all the tenants of White supremacy. The most notable of which is an anti-race-mixing beleif, the reasons of which are a perceived pollution of a unique (i.e better) group. I agree that there are allot of people of other races that engage in the same behavior, that does not mean that makes you any more right or wrong than them. This notion in my opinion is rather silly but to claim White seperatism is not AT LEAST racist is Wrong.GrazingshipIV 19:11, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)
:Saying a particular opinion is wrong is POV. Review NPOV and see if its something you can accept. Otherwise there are plenty of places where you can yell about racism, try a Klan rally. Sam Spade 19:26, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Is White Sepratism Racist?

message: I made a couple of changes/additions, maybe this has solved the need for a poll, or whatnot? Sam Spade 20:08, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  problem solved?