Talk:Aston Villa F.C./Archive 1

message: I have split the history into two main sections like commented on the peer review. I have tried to cut all of it into a bit which we leave on the main page but i am finding it hard there's so much. All the history is in the two "other sections" so we just need to trim the history down.
(Everlast1910 14:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History sections

message: When you search for 'Aston Villa' in the wikipedia search box, you don't get Aston Villa F.C. as a hit. You actually have to search for Aston Villa F.C. Does this make sense or is the search engine broken? user:dzof 03:58, 4 November 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: The search engine is broken.  RickK 04:01, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Search engine broken? 

message: I've just changed Gareth Barry's listing from defender to midfielder as that's where he plays most of the time.  Feel free to change it back f you don't agree. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.56.10.158 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gareth Barry 

message: Yet again the Villa are first to do something, yet again they give you a reason to be proud to support them, and yet again optimism rears its head. Lads, you can be proud of yourselves for being the first club of players to have the balls to raise a statement of dissatisfaction with your chairman. You can hold your heads high tonight. FORZA VILLA! Martyn Smith 18:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should this section be in the main article if the club have denied it being true on their official site? Gretnagod 00:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The club's article is just a weak spin Ucdawg12 06:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've removed the unprecedented statement - until there is confirmation either way it is unencyclopaedic. Gretnagod 11:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What kind of confimation are you looking for? Many respectable news organizations have covered this, where as the club site denies it with no quotes or sources. Ucdawg12 19:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Unprecedented Statement - Another first 

message: Maybe someone could put a "WIN LOSE DRAW %" for each manager? (Everlast1910 21:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Managers  

message: This article lacks references and many parts are very opinionated, so I added some requested citations. But for some reason another user just went and removed them all..... without adding any references. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.15.84 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed them for two reasons - firstly, you are an IP user - please register if you want to discuss this and change an article so considerably. Second, claiming that some of the passages are opinionated fals under WP:POINT - it's best to discuss any need for citations in this Talk page, rather than a wholesale addition of cite tags Superlinus 14:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Show me the rule that says IP users are not allowed to edit pages. and why does adding cite tags count as disruption of Wikipedia. it should be seen as an assistance because it tells people what needs citing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.12.186 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is not a rule. I do agree, I added a few citations and put a plee for more in my edit summary. This (and quite a few other premiership articles) needs them. It should be raining citations on articles on Premiership clubs, because they're such a big topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cream147 (talk • contribs) 07:45, 14 February 2007
I would like a citation for the 'first club in europe' statement. I've been trying to get a definitive answer to this for ages (The Guardian says Hibs were the first British club in europe in 1956 but don't give a date, Man U are the firt English club in UEFA, etc). I'll come clean - I am a bluenose - but I am only after facts here. The earliest reference I have for an English (and British come to that) club playing in a European competition is Internazionale Vs Birmingham City, on Tuesday 25th May 1956 (in Italy). If you cannot find an earlier date for the Villa game then I suggest you remove the comment - just to save arguments. If you can find an earlier date, please state it - thanks, decent article (and I'm biased). 80.195.27.120 20:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: it pains me to say it, but you're right. Though, as a caveat, I must point out that the team officially represented Birmingham city, rather than Birmingham City, and only included purely Blues players because Villa declined to send any players. The claim to be one of the first clubs in Europe, however, refers to post-Heysel. Superlinus 20:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry to cause the grief - it wasn't meant as bragging rights or anything just to stop arguments in the office. Wiki is now seen as definitive by some. Thanks for the clarification. See you next season. WBluejohn 20:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just for your info, Hibs first competed in the European Cup in the autumn of 1955 and so were clearly the first British club to compete.Largo1965 20:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  citations 

message: How do u create a page on this? plz tell me WebSurfer 21:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you looked at Create_a_page? LeeG 22:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HOW DO U CREATE A PAGE? 

message: I have put this in: if anyone wants to change it please feel free.
When adding a notable player please take into account is this player actually worthy of the title and to be listed.
1) Played over 100 games for Villa
2)Set a record such as Youngest player to score a goal
3)If you think a player is worthy add them in then reference why you think they should be in the list.
*Also please put players in alphabetical order (Surname) to make the list look neater*
:100 games will still result in a very large list - List of Aston Villa F.C. players might be a better place (see List of Liverpool F.C. players or List of Manchester City F.C. players) Oldelpaso 11:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criteria for Notable player

message: I think this is a great idea for following a particular clubs progress through the seasons. I think we should have one of these tables for every top flight club. Funkyduncan 23:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season-by-season table 

message: Aside from being written like an essay, the stuff about the founding of the FA Football League really doesn't belong in here. I'm going to try merging those bits into the FA a more appropriate article, and making this article's history more concise. Chris Cunningham 14:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section too encompassing 

message: Some of this was recently reverted without so much as an edit summary. I've collapsed these again. Feel free to explain why these headers (and accompanying MoS-abusing capitalisation) are necessary. Chris Cunningham 08:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited it because it looked unwieldy and was out of character with other Premiership articles, reducing the current squad to mere "staff". I'd pretty much like to see this article look uniform as far as Current Squad goes, but I'd like to hear your justifications for the way you'd see it presented Superlinus 14:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That other Premiership articles have too many subheaders isn't a great justification; I can, hoever, only work on a finite number of things at once! The header reduction is first and foremost a way of trying to figure out how the page should really be proportioned; I'm tempted to suggest moving the almanac-type stuff to a sub-article and leaving this article for text. Most team article on WP consist of nothing but statistics, so providing all the stats one can is good idea; however, Villa have a lot of history which makes the article very long in its current state. Chris Cunningham 15:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:CON does indicate that the Aston Villa article should fall in line with other Premiership articles. Before making such widespread changes I suggest you discuss this at [Football] where much good work is being done on all football articles. I would agree that the History section of the page is long and unwieldy, and would welcome a way of shortening it, but one which recognised Aston Villa's unqiue contribution to modern football. I'm going to edit the Current Squad section back in line with other Premiership articles and urge you to discuss this on WikiProject Football before continuing on your lone path. Thanks Superlinus 18:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subheader reduction 

message: This article is woefully short of citations. I've just added a "citation needed" tag to the record transfer fees section, for a start. Also - and I've asked this before - what makes a player notable? Who decides? That section runs completely against WP:NPOV. To keep the article shorter, and more encyclopedic, perhaps it would be worth using Liverpool FC's method and linking to a list of players with over 100 appearances for the club? Just a thought. Gretnagod 15:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More citations needed 

message: This article well exceeds the recommended length. This might explain why sometines the article does not appear in Google searches as mentioned above. Have transferred some info to Aston Villa F.C. statistics but article still remains very long Djln--Djln 03:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Length

message: I have put the new badge in if there is anything you want to change move or delete feel free. (Everlast1910 13:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Badge 

message: I have now incorporated the trivia section into the main article (Everlast1910 11:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triva 

message: A quick suggestion - as the article is long, perhaps we should (in addition to using the History of Aston Villa page) replace the "Recent Events" section and use it specifically for the takeover (and add a cut-down version of the recent events to "Villa in the Premiership"). The takeover, after all, is a very significant part of the article. A lot of the info wouldn't be needed (i.e., the absolute specific details of the takeover), so the section would be a lot shorter anyway. Just an idea. Team nath 16:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Events 

message: ===Rewritten History section===
I have made a summary of the Club History as requested by the Peer Review on several occasions. I have put it on my sandbox so that everyone can preview it before putting it on the main Aston Villa page in a few days. Any comments are welcome. Woodym555 21:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent wholesale changes

message: I have made a summary of the Club History as requested by the Peer Review on several occasions. I have put it on my sandbox so that everyone can preview it before putting it on the main Aston Villa page in a few days. Any comments are welcome. Woodym555 21:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewritten History section

message: I have put the history section into the main text. I have also created a new table for the Managers section that i think flows a lot better, the separate tables were bad on the eye but the new table is what Arsenal F.C. and other Football FA use. I have moved some sections around for the same reason, to bring it in line with other articles and to help it to reach GA and FA status sometime soon. I will put a new table for the List of Aston Villa F.C. players and also for the captains if and when i can get around to it. I also think that in line with other FA articles the "In popular culture section needs to be turned into prose and moved up near t the main body of text. Woodym555 21:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New managers table and section movement

message: En dashes should be used in scorelines and full dates should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates & dashes

message: * Lead section is short. For a club with 110+ years of history, the lead can have more data. Also, as per guidelines, the lead section needs to stand on it's own in describing the article. I don't think this one will meet that requirement.
**Done, made into a correct lead summary
*** While i am OK with the current effort for GA, i think you need to really expand on the lead section for FA.
* From 1874, you jumped to 1887 - anything intersting about these 13 years?
** As noted on your talk page this is not a comprehensive history. The subsections do that.
* I have added "FACT" tag wherever i think references are required in the history section
**Done, replaced all fact tags
*** Note: There are places within a single para where various sentences point to the same reference (For eg: With mounting debts and Villa lying at the bottom of Division Two; the board sacked Cummings and within weeks the entire board resigned due to overwhelming pressure from fans.[14] After much speculation, control of the club was bought by London financier Pat Matthews who also brought in Doug Ellis as chairman.[14] New ownership though could not prevent Villa being relegated to the Third Division for the first time in 1971.[14] They returned to the second division as Champions the following year and they continued to rise all the way into the First Division and Europe in 1977.[14]). In such a case, one reference, at the end of the para is sufficient. Please make the necessary modification.DoneWoodym555 20:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review comments 

message: I have reverted to the  format for the references section because the scroll box is disliked amongst many FA reviewers and experienced editors. see Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Siege of Malakand for a debate on the issue. The consensus on that FA nom was to remove this format and as such i have implemented this on this page. Thankyou. Woodym555 16:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference format 

message: I have removed the famous supporters section because of concerns raised in the last peer review. It states Get rid of the Famous supporters section. A celebrity's support for Villa has no effect upon the club, if a person's support for Villa is truly notable it should be included in their article, not Villa's. This information should be included in their articles and not the main Aston Villa one. Thankyou for your contribution though Woodym555 23:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous supporters 

message: The Honours section has seen a rapid expansion of the number of "minor honours" recently. In my opinion these honours are not notable enough to mention on the main page. They are not listed under the AVFC honours page (link) and are currently unreferenced. What do other editors think? thanks Woodym555 14:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to my earlier comment i have now moved the minor honours over to the Aston Villa F.C. statistics page. I have left a comment on the editors talk page. Any comment is still of course most welcome. Thanks Woodym555 15:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Honours

message: I have deleted the section entitled transfers because of several concerns. As per WP:CRYSTAL Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and cannot predict future events, as such the transfer rumours section was not viable. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a rumour mill. The Aston Villa main page is a summary of many other articles as per WP:SUMMARY and as such should not go into excessive detail on Randy Lerner's signings. This also goes against WP:RECENT as it places too much bias on current events. This information belongs in the History of Aston Villa (1967-Present) page under Randy Lerner or under a new heading 2007/08. Any questions can be left here or on my talk page. Thanks Woodym555 15:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although the new transfer section that has recently been added is of a better quality and in no way speculative than the last one that i have deleted, i feel it neccessary to delete the new section. As per a discussion on the football wikiproject it should be deleted. This goes against WP:RECENT in that it will be non-notable in a few months. At the end of the season will this really need to be here? We already have Wikinews for news related articles. At the closing of the window this could be added to the "2007/08 Aston Villa Season article" but not here. Thanks Woodym555 14:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only reason i added it was i was looking at FA's at Everton had it and thought it might be a nice addition but if its against the FAC then thats fine with me (Everlast1910 16:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Transfers

message: This article has now been granted FA status, as part of this i have now "Archived" all the last disscusions as it was clogging this page up! (Everlast1910 16:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that  status has been achieved, I shall add a spoken version at some point in the next few weeks.  Hassocks5489 11:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done - see link above.  Hassocks5489 21:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FA

message: Can editors please not ignore the hidden text. it is there for a reason - to stop unreferenced edits. I am referring to "If changing REO-COKER OR HAREWOOD squad numbers please REFERENCE' it (Sky Sports, AVFC, BBC or other reputable sources)". Several editors are amending the squad numbers without referencing it. I understand that the speculation will be rife until August 11 and then August 31 but only edit this page if you have HARD FACTS. May i also remind editors of the other hidden text " When amending the current squad PLEASE REMEMBER to realign the "MID SQUAD" to avoid an uneven look. " Thankyou. Woodym555 21:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Current squad

message: Would some Villa fan who remembers the 1975 League Cup Final better than me (I was only 11 at the time!) like to augment the Match Review section.    EddieCam 19:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call - and the other Aston Villa finals need documenting too, 1977 in particular needs an entry, the first team to win the trophy 3 times. MegdalePlace 05:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other pages requiring Villa info 

message: it clearly states that zat knight is on loan from fulham, look just after his name and on the squad list on right hand side. follow the link...
http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Squad/Profiles/0,,10265~11316,00.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjjames (talk • contribs) 23:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AVFC sometimes you have to wait for it to be updated also the site is going through a revamp and we will be getting a new site soon check these links:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/6966524.stm
http://www.skysports.com/football/player/0,19754,11677_155047,00.html
Everlast1910 07:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ok but surely AVFC site is more of a source than BBC and Sky Sports, i'm not saying that he is on loan because i believe it to be a permanent deal but this really is hard evidence, that's what this site relies on and well here it is, the best source for AVFC is surely their own site!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjjames (talk • contribs) 10:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What the squad profile actually says is that he was loaned to Peterborough United F.C., not that he is on loan to Villa. (Note the placing of the commas, admittedly it is a poor layout). The best source for info is not neccessarily AVFC. We also need to have third party sources instead of just relying on what AVFC say. Yet i understand in this case, in terms of statistical data Villa would be the best place to start. Woodym555 11:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zat Knight 

message: Hi all, I've put this at the top of the talk page for all to see. Before anyone edits the stats to show 2 Intertoto Cup wins instead of one, please do a little research, and then don't edit it!! The winner of the 2008 Intertoto cup was the team to progress the furthest in the UEFA cup in 2009. S. C. Braga was the team that progressed furthest. Villa were knocked out in the round of 32 against Moscow, and Braga were knocked out in the round of 16 against Paris 2008–09_UEFA_Cup. WillDow  (Talk) 09:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Intertoto

message: Whilst it is informative to have information on the new crest, it is only of particular interest at the moment because it is current. In the fullness of time, the current design will be no more noteworthy than any of the others. What would be good in my view would be a history of the crest in its various forms over the years. This would require the use of images, but I believe would be more relvant overall. MegdalePlace 05:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at any other FA football article there is information on "colours and crest" or maybe just "crest" and "colours". While I understand your point the new crest in 10+ years time will still be relevant as it was one of the first acts Randy did at the club. But that is my opinion. Everlast1910 09:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The Rangers Crest didn't adopt a lion or the word "ready" into their crest until 1959 . Villa had a lion in their crest since well before 1900. So if anything, if there's been copying, it has been the other way around... Willdow  (Talk) 09:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club crest 

message: Why is this person on villa's players list i've never heard of him and definatly no signing of him is this vandalism or has he been signed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonoridge (talk • contribs) 10:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That was vandalism and has been reverted now. Thanks. Woody (talk) 11:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hajime Hosogai

message: I have removed the re-addition of the famous supporters section because of concerns raised in the last peer review. It states Get rid of the "Famous supporters" section. A celebrity's support for Villa has no effect upon the club, if a person's support for Villa is truly notable it should be included in their article, not Villa's. This view has been backed up by consensus on the WP:FOOTY project where it was thought that this information should be included in the articles of the persons concerned, and not the main Aston Villa one. Thankyou for your contribution though. Woody (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: True Woody if you can find the old Diff I had it at the bottom with flag icons and all correctly ref'd and we removed it! :) Everlast1910 16:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I copied over the bulk of that text above from the one in the archive! ;) Lazy I know. Previous version is here Woody (talk) 16:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Its come on a long way! Everlast1910 17:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see this list has since resurfaced, as well as a list of "Footballers who support Aston Villa".  I propose it they be removed, on the basis of long standing consensus, and the sheer fact they are insignificant trivia. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:14, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely, no place for this. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 07:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The list of 'supporting players' bears little resemblance to the reference in any case, that should be removed for sure. If WP Footy has decreed that famous supporters are out too then happy to go along with that. Mountaincirque 08:29, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm...I came here to add Turner prize winner Gillian Wearing to the list...nevermind...Villa fans really are getting a raw deal at the moment...not like... Arsenal F.C. supporters. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous supporters 

message: Will the anonymous IP address who is constantly reverting please stop and discuss your issues. The famous supporters issues is addressed in the section above me. Why do you object to the loan section and the foreign featured article link at the bottom. (). Please DISCUSS your issues here in a calm and civil manner. Thankyou. Woody (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert and Civility issues 

message: I've removed Joseph Venglos from the table of managers, as the table gives only those who won a trophy with Villa. "Dr Do little" didn't win anything, so doesn't belong there. If true that he was the first overseas manager at a major club, than this is note-worthy in itself, but should be elsewhere.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MegdalePlace (talk • contribs) 10:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Venglos was the first forgien coach in the premiership and for villa thus is notable and falls within the criteria. Everlast1910 11:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The editor does have a point though. The text above the table reads "The following managers have all won at least one trophy when in charge of Aston Villa:". If Venglos didn't, then the wording needs changing to something that justifies his inclusion. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, have amended accordingly. Thanks. Woody (talk) 12:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes i have just realised that! Opps :) Everlast1910 12:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Managers 

message: I was led to believe that Arsenal copied our kit design when Herbert Chapman was in charge (ie plain shirts with lighter sleeves). I am sure I read it either on here or the Arsenal page but now can't find it anywhere. Has anybody got a link to prove this to be the case? While we're at it has anybody got a link to confirm Barca copied their colours off us? Would be much appreciated, thanks. Villafancd (talk) 10:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:39, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colours, crest and kit design

message: I have removed the shirt sponsors and manufacturers section as it adds nothing to this article, the main article on the club. In the history of the club, the shirt sponsor has little relevance. If it needs to exist anywhere, which I doubt, then add it to the Aston Villa F.C. statistics and records article. As it stood, it was incomplete and without references, which all articles need, especially featured articles. Please stop reverting and discuss its inclusion here per Bold, revert, discuss Woody (talk) 18:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shirt sponsors 

message: I have just been checking through the honours for Aston Villa and noticed that it shows we have only won the intertoto cup once (2001).  This season Aston Villa are now in the UEFA Cup first qualifying round after winning the intertoto cup stage.  Shouldn't this now be displayed like the 2001 achievement?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.115.86 (talk) 13:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since (I think) 2006, all you get for progressing through the Intertoto rounds is qualification for the UEFA Cup. In 2001, only three teams went through to the UEFA Cup so they counted all three as "winners"; see UEFA Intertoto Cup 2001. But now there are eleven, so they changed it such that the winner of the Intertoto Cup is the club which progresses furthest in the UEFA Cup having qualified via the Intertoto; see UEFA Intertoto Cup 2008. So Villa haven't won it yet, but they might if they do well enough in the UEFA Cup. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intertoto Cup (season 2008-2009) 

message: "They have a long-standing and fierce rivalry with local rivals Birmingham City, although West Bromwich Albion is actually the closest professional football club." There's no citation given for this, and if anything I'd have said Villa are marginally closer to Blues than to Albion. Given that it's a relatively close call, a measure should also be given - is it by road, as the crow flies etc? Driving directions generated by entering the clubs' postcodes into Google Maps gives 3.2 or 3.3 miles between Blues and Villa, and 3.7 miles between Villa and Albion. --Jameboy (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I will try and dig out the programmes from when Villa shared the Hawthornes. As I remember, there were various reports and articles stating that the clubs were closer than Blues/Villa. I will try and find a ref for it. Regards. Woody (talk) 17:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proximity of West Midlands rivals 

message: I have rephrased this statement to reveal that they have won the fourth largest number of trophies by an English club. Describing success solely on a quantitative basis is a POV. Going by this approach, a team winning both the Premier League and Champions League five times would be deemed as "successful" as another team winning the League Cup ten times. Here we can see that stating which trophies have been won reveals more than a total number would. Solely describing the number of trophies won, without qualifying it as "success", leaves the reader to draw their own conclusions. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 12:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See also: this discussion over at Talk:Everton F.C.. Seems reasonable, regards. Woody (talk) 14:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fourth most successful" 

message: In popular culture
In the first episode of Yes Minister Jim Hacker MP says he needs to get off early to watch Aston Villa play. However, in a later episode, he launches a campaign to save his local team, the fictional "Aston Wanderers". 
I've always thought this to be a clever reference to The Wolves rather than Villa. In 1982, Wolves had been just minutes away from bankruptcy (like Aston Wanderers in the show) when saved by The Bhatti Brothers consortium headed by Derek Dougan. By calling it Aston, the writers ingeniously set the club in the West Midlands, and by adding Wanderers, left no doubt (in my mind at least) who they were refering to. 
Sumenon (talk) 18:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Culture 

message: The Peace Cup is not a notable enough tournament to list it under the club honours section on this page. This page lists the major European and national honours that Villa have won. It does not include invitational and minor tournaments such as the Peace Cup. Otherwise it would have to list all 19 Birmingham Senior Cup victories et. al. which would end up devaluing, in terms of space used and emphasis used, the other more important tournaments listed. Woody (talk) 23:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Peace Cup]] 

message: Further to the hidden comments in the current squad section, please do not make changes to the squad numbers without an official source. Wikipedia should only list verifiable information. At the moment there is no announcement and the official squad list is not showing any changes. The numbers used against Fiorentina are not neccessarily the normal squad numbers as pre-season friendlies often use different numbers. Please wait for the official release or add a means to verify the information, otherwise it will be removed. Regards, Woody (talk) 17:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Squad numbers 

message: Note: I have opened up a discussion about Stephen O'Halloran and whether he should be included in the squad list over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Stephen O'Halloran: grey area.
Summary: 
*His contract has expired
*The 2009–10 press release from Villa about squad numbers omitted him ()
*The UEFA squad list omitted him ()
*The Aston Villa main squad list though does still list him and that is generally what is used to determine the squad list and squad numbers.()
All discussion over at FOOTY would be most welcome. Regards, Woody (talk) 10:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Stephen O'Halloran]]

message: We definitely did not win the Intertoto cup, that was Braga. We only qualified through the competition for the UEFA cup! 88.106.55.233 (talk) 09:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intertoto cup last season 

message: I've started a little discussion on this here. The official stats say one figure (42,783) but the official attendance at Villa -v- Man Utd was 42,788, confirmed by both BBC Sport and Sky Sports, Willdow  (Talk) 15:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Villa Park's Capacity??? 

message: The pictorial graph showing Villa's league positions over the years has a significant error.
It shows the 1959-60 season as a first division season. In fact they were relegated in 59, so the graph should show them top fo div 2 in 1960 - it in fact shows them as div 1 champions!
The graph appears on a few pages - not just this one, Can someone put it right?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.230.100 (talk) 00:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in graph 

message: It's been flagged up for a couple of months but no changes.
The graph of league places shows Villa as league champs in 1960, when we were in fact Second div champs. It's a major error.
Please can someone put it right, or should it just be deleted as unencylopedic? 
The same graph is on the club history pages too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.21.217 (talk) 18:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have asked the person who made it whether they can update it. I agree that it is a rather large error that should be rectified as soon as possible and I acknowledge the number of alerts you have made that seem to have been ignored, for which I apologise. Hopefully we can get it sorted soon and updated for the last couple of years. Regards, Woody (talk) 12:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graph !! 

message: Can we update the home and away kit to reflect the new kit that has been released?
The home kit is pretty much identical. The away kit is black body and black sleeves. 3rd kit is last years white away kit. (note the claret and chequered pattern on the sides of both kits) WillDow  (Talk) 13:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we able to get the squared pattern that has been placed on the side of the away kit replicated on the side of the home kit too?WillDow  (Talk) 11:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010-11 New Kit 

message: The 'Current management and coaching staff' section requires updating
Seamus McDonagh is no longer with the club. http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2010/08/12/james-milner-move-hangs-in-balance/ (final line)
Various others are not listed under the coaching staff ('behind the team') on the club's official website http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/WhosWho/0,,10265,00.html
These are- Jim Henry, Mark Delaney and Roddy McDonald
There are 2 other staff members in this 'behind the team' section who require an addition to the current coaching staff section, they are- Rafa Gonzalez (Youth Team Goalkeeping Coach) and Duncan Robertson (Club Doctor)
:Done, and I will unprotect it as well. Thanks for the request. Woody (talk) 19:22, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:   Edit request- change to current coaching staff 

message: I have trimmed down this newly added section and cleaned up the references. Here is the reasoning behind my removal of text: 
"Aston Villa's groundbreaking charity work has been hailed as a future model for professional sport teams in the United Kingdom and also in the United States and Canada, the European Union, South America, Australia, New Zealand, Africa and elsewhere." The reference used for this sentence does not mention Aston Villa at any point nor mention Acorns. 
"The club, along with the Tottenham Foundation and Newcastle United Foundation, are some leading examples of a new commitment in the highest level of football to responsibility and change in the communities in which they work and who enrich them through their support and ticket sales" This is not relevant to Aston Villa, the activities of Newcastle are Tottenham are fantastic for them, not much use to Villa. This sort of discussion would be great in some sort of Charity in Premier League article or indeed a section of the Premier League article. Woody (talk) 13:37, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social Responsibility 

message: I have a feeling I know the answer to this but... does the club's official twitter count as a "reliable source"..? They announced the updated number during the Norway match (its 71 now) Methodicmadness (talk) 10:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a feeling this might not be the answer you were expecting: yes, I think it could be classed as reliable as it is an official feed. You could easily argue that this is much the same as using the official website as a source in my opinion. Given it is corroborated in other places it is ok to simply update the number on the page. Woody (talk) 21:49, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  England internationals 

message: I've been noticing a lot of vandalism on this page recently is there anyway that we can get this topic locked for the forseeable future?
Mistersaxon4 (talk) 13:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The process on Wikipedia is WP:RFP where you may request articles protected. Wandering Courier (talk) 15:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Vandalism 

message: 26xbing (talk) 04:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done --Jnorton7558 (talk) 11:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 26xbing, 6 September 2011 

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message: Nathan Delfouneso has worn the #23 shirt for a couple of games in the 2012-13 season so far, is it worth changing?--Dubbled335 (talk) 09:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delfouneso 

message: In the opening section about the club, I don't think it is enough to simply state: "Aston Villa were founder members of The Football League in 1888. They were also founder members of the Premier League in 1992, and have remained there ever since.[5"
It needs to be stressed, in that early, opening paragraph, that: 
"Aston Villa Football Club is considered the cradle of all association football leagues, the club's  director, William McGregor, having had the idea to invite eleven other clubs to form the world's first association football league in 1888. Villa were also founder members of the Premier League in 1992, and have remained there ever since.[5"
This issue needs to be addressed early in the article because it is a huge part of the club's - and association football's - history.  When other websites, journalists or fansites quote from Wiki, when writing about Aston Villa, they often lift the whole of the first paragraph of text about the club, totally missing out on the "McGregor/cradle of all leagues" history that is so important and unique to the club. 
To reiterate, my view would be that McGregor needs to be stressed early, in the first parargraph, to reflect the importance of Villa's history and to ensure journalists and researchers acknowledge such an important history when writing about Villa. Should they lift from the first paragraph (as seems common practice among students of football these days), it is hugely important that every opportunity is afforded them to acknowledge the "McGregor/cradle of all leagues" significance of the football club.  
If such changes could be made I would be most grateful.  83.147.141.227 (talk) 16:10, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  McGregor/ Birthplace of The League 1888 - Need  To Stress  More In Opening Paragraph 

message: Please change the size of the Aston Villa crest as it was before. Why is it so small?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.82.35 (talk) 22:51, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crest 

message: Juan Serrano is still listed as a Villa youth player, despite moving to Malaga CF in Spain. He needs to be deleted from Villa's wikipedia page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.67.137 (talk) 19:12, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: , next time provide a source in your request. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juan Serrano 

message: Is it possible to include Villa's third kit alongside the images of our new home and away kits? Villa announced a while ago that the away kit from last season (lime green kit) would be used as a third shirt for this coming season. I cannot find the article from the official site but here is a link to an article confirming it (confirmation in second paragraph) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.67.137 (talk) 14:42, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013/14 third kit 

message: Wikipedia seems to have a bit of a gap in the description of this color. Claret redirects to Bordeaux wine, which is of course the origin of the colour, but that article has no description whatever of the colour of the wine, or why or if it's considered different from any other red wine colour. So the link to claret in the lede isn't very helpful. Any suggestions? Colonies Chris (talk) 08:50, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claret 

message: Donacien's and Kinsella's loan deals for starters.  Plus the loan return dates are incorrect.  Is there any way this page can be unlocked so accurate information can be recorded????  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.85.116 (talk) 13:52, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of date information. 

message: On player list, Tiago Ilori is currently showing without a number. However, it has be announce that he is squad number 2. 
Source: Aston Villa Official Website http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4977594,00.html
Bored0stiff (talk) 20:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thank you. Struway2 (talk) 20:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2015 

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message: Why does it state they've been in the top flight for 104 seasons as of the 2014-15 season considering they were relegated in 1987? Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986%E2%80%9387_Football_League#First_Division Corabal (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's 104 seasons in total, not 104 consecutive seasons. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 08:04, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics section 

message: Hi all. As I understand it, Aston Villa has not yet been sold, approval is needed first from the Premier League and Football League. Two very recent articles describe Tony Xia as 'proposed' owner and 'owner-in-waiting'. According to the Daily Mail article, a deal could take a few weeks to be finalised. For clarity, I think it would be best to keep Randy Lerner as owner in the infobox as there is a small chance the sale may not go through, maybe with a temporary lock on changing it to Tony Xia. What do you think? --LegereScire (talk) 08:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Owner 

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message: Current Squad: The link to Neil Taylor should be changed to Neil Taylor (footballer) as the current one links to the disambiguation page. 86.161.5.114 (talk) 08:16, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Thank you for pointing that out. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 08:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: Aaron Tshibola needs to be added to the squad lists as he is still an Aston Villa Player 109.146.154.147 (talk) 18:03, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2018 

message: : Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:43, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2018 

message: Aston Villa is helping to build a community sports facility in Kericho Town, Kenya which includes a new football pitch.
Once the project is completed, Villa are hoping to introduce their Premier Skills coaching programme as well as a Premier League Kicks-inspired scheme to the facility.
The facility will also house an early child development centre, a place for vocational training of women and coach training facilities.
These initiatives are set to bring a boost to employment in the town. The town hosts Zoo Kericho F.C. which participates in the Kenya Premier League. 154.123.23.202 (talk) 07:45, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: social responsibility

message: Change 'one of five English clubs to win the European Cup' to 'one of six English clubs to win the European Cup' 120.151.86.20 (talk) 23:05, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2018 

message: Mention Tony Xia owning 45% of the club. Tomobiwan (talk) 19:48, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2018 

message: New Goalkeeper signed as of 01/01/2019 - Lovre Kalinic, Croatian
Tommy Elphick has been recalled and is now DF in 1st squad. 
 Kielyscott (talk) 10:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request - players