Template talk:Kosovo municipalities

message: This template should have the names of the municipalities in both languages (albanian and serbian)--Bindicapriqi (talk) 20:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages 

message: There is a Template:Municipalities of the Republic of Kosovo which does pretty much the same as this one, but from a different point of view. There are 30 municipalities in Kosovo, none of them is transcluding this template. They are all transcluding the other one. This template is transcluded only from Template:Municipalities of Serbia, which in turn is transcluded into all municipalities in Central Serbia and Vojvodina.
While I do see the difference between them, having two templates for essentially the same thing is not a good thing for two reasons:
# It causes contrary points of view to be presented in Kosovo articles on the one hand and Central Serbia and Vojvodina articles on the other hand.
# It is blocking correct resolution of interwiki links. The English Wikipedia is the only one having two templates, all the others have just one. Linking from two English templates to the same template in other languages does not work because then there would have to be links to two English templates in the other projects, which does not work at all.
I think that both templates should be merged in a way that can be presented in an acceptable manner in articles about all municipalities, but maybe I'm overlooking something. In case the templates cannot be merged, a clear decision needs to be made which one of both corresponds to the following templates in other projects:
* :bs:Šablon:Općine na Kosovu
* :de:Vorlage:Navigationsleiste Großgemeinden im Kosovo
* :fr:Modèle:Municipalités du Kosovo
* :hr:Predložak:Općine na Kosovu i Metohiji
* :it:Template:Municipalità del Kosovo
* :pt:Predefinição:Municipíos da República do Kosovo
* :sh:Template:Opštine Kosova
--Entlinkt (talk) 18:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Please tell me how having only the serbian names is neutral ! --Cradel (talk) 00:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why and How? 

message: As we can see, the templates of the Republic of Kosovo municipalities and of the Kosovo municipalities were merged into one with only Serbian names.
This is AN ABSURD! We know more than 90% of Kosovars are Albanian-speakers, and they use Albanian names to describe their cities; in the name of NPOV, we could at least put the formula "Albanian name/Serbian name" which is common here in Wikipedia to describe bilingual cities in Switzerland and Italy.
To put ONLY SERBIAN names in the cities (including the highly-offensive Đeneral Janković, a Serbian general who committed a lot of atrocities against Kosovar Albanians during the Balkan Wars — something like to rename Srebrenica as “Đeneral Mladić”) is a way to say “yes” to the Serb nationalist POV that “Kosovo is Serbia”.--201.81.224.11 (talk) 14:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro-Serb POV, again 

message: There is an attempt to add Albanian language names to this template. Those names do not correspond to WP:COMMONNAME and should not be used to replace or amend English language common names. This wikipedia policy says:
* Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural. This is often referred to using the Wikipedia short cut term: "COMMONNAME".
There is also WP:MOS guideline which says (MOS:SLASH):
* Generally avoid joining two words by a slash, also known as a forward slash or solidus ( / ). It suggests that the two are related, but does not specify how. It is often also unclear how the construct would be read aloud. 
Unless specific reason not to respect wikipedia policies and guidelines in this case is presented I will remove local official names from the links and restore English language common names.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:43, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't be silly. Removing the most common local names for these places, leaving only the Serbian names, is blatant pov-pushing. Kosovo declared independence in 2008; surely you knew that? It's disappointing that you're continuing the fallacious misuse of WP:COMMONNAME where Evlekis left off. bobrayner (talk) 22:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your comment does not address any of my arguments grounded in wikipedia policies. Kosovo declaration of independence, other editors or Albanian language official names are irrelevant for English language encyclopedia navigation box. Please revert yourself.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:36, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This template lists Kosovo municipalities. It should, therefore, show the actual names of the municipalities. Your constant removal of the real names is blatant pov-pushing. No competent good-faith editor would systematically strip the actual names of municipalities like this; it's a shame that you and Evlekis have distorted content for so long, but the distortion will end sooner or later. bobrayner (talk) 02:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You probably mistakenly restored version of banned editor User:Gameover2000. Template now links to actual names of the article titles. Thank you for your concern. Per WP:POVPUSH "Calling someone a "POV-pusher" is uncivil, and even characterizing edits as POV-pushing should be done carefully. It is generally not necessary to characterize edits as POV-pushing in order to challenge them." Please do not do it in future.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  COMMONNAME and MOS 

message: The names of the municipalities in this template are controversial. I have a proposal how to settle this issue:
#The names of the municipalities in the template should be the same as the titles of corresponding articles;
#If the city/municipality has alternative name that is substantially different from the article title, the alternative name should also be given in the parentheses (for example "Ferizaj (Uroševac)").
The same consensus was previously reached at Template talk:Largest cities of Kosovo#Proposal for the :Template:Largest cities of Kosovo. I think that this is the right way to keep consistency within the encyclopedia, but also to help users navigate easily. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that makes sense, for what it's worth. Red Slash 08:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of Municipalities - proposition Suggestion 

message: *Support per the above explanation. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: It's been 12 days since I made this proposal, and nobody responded. I even made a wp:request for comment, but nobody came to participate. I am going to change the names according to my proposal and according to consensus reached at Template talk:Largest cities of Kosovo#Proposal. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:14, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that makes sense, for what it's worth. Red Slash 08:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Threaded discussion