Talk:Muslim flat-earth theories

message: It's not clear whether or not this article will be merged. In the meantime, it might as well be as correct as we can make it.
I'm somewhat distressed the Ibn Baz' supporters seem to have declared the case closed, as obvious slander. The critics gave some convincing-looking references. Are those completely made-up? 
So I did the usual Wikipedia thing of stating both sides of the issue. On the one hand, references (which cannot be confirmed). On the other hand, a denial and a claim to have been misquoted. I myself do not know which is true. Zora 13:50, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Zora, sometimes you surprise me with your oppeness! ;-) I agree about giving the story 2 voices. I, myself, am not sure of who is right and who is wrong. However, I had to make some superficial changes regarding some journalistic style editing, not to make anyone happy but to keep Wikipedia clean.
* Such arguments would seem to belong completely in the past. In this age of photos from space, who could doubt that the earth is round? 
* It was a funny story, to anyone save the Saudis. -- Svest 18:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: Millions of English speakers say the "the sun rises", does this imply that the Earth is flat and the world geocentric? 
As far as I can see, the "Qur'anic texts taken by some" sections are misleading. 
The MuslimHope reference only shows how one Christian scholar interprets the Qur'an. I suppose this author is the "some" refered to in the above mentioned sections. I don't see how it qualifies. Are there any sources from Muslims explaining their position?
I think this article should be deleted and the Ibn Baz cotroversy merged into an Ibn Baz section in the Flat Earth article, except for the entire "Why would Ibn Baz deny" section, which isn't neutral and looks more like original research. --Yodakii 14:09, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Isnt this a bit to much?--Striver 21:37, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're referring to the removal of the section "Why would Ibn Baz deny that the earth revolves around the sun?" that strikes me as an appropriate deletion, since it is original research.  Find citations, keep it in, if not: remove it or at least remove it to the talk page.  The article as a whole has a lot of weasel words and lacks citations for all of its claims.  It's interesting, though. Esquizombi 01:08, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleting

message: I think that the title of this article "Muslim flat earth theories" is inappropriate because one, it gives the wrong impression that Muslims believe the earth is flat, and two, the article actually mentions round earth theories as well.  Therefore, I propose that the title be changed to something like "Muslim views of geodesy". More NPOV, don't you think?
: Most people don't know what geodesy is. In fact, I had to pause a moment to parse the word. How about Muslims and flat-earth theories? Just putting an "and" into indicates that Muslims and flat-earth theories are two different things, which may be related in numerous ways. Zora 06:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the title "Muslim views on the shape of earth", would be nice and simple (if anuybody was looking from simplicity). However, "Muslim views of geodesy" is good too. (I know that geodesy is a difficult word, but wikipedia shouldn't exactly cater to those want easy and simple answers to difficult questions).128.100.36.236 20:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the title, please. It's misleading. 

message: greeks knew it for centuries and the single largest contribution from Islam to Science was in the area of Astronomy. Astronomy and Medicine (Avicenna) were pretty much the two big areas contributed by Muslims. I dunno how a seafaring people with a great knowledge of celestial bodies could miss that slight detail. Get real. --Street Scholar 08:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How could they have not known the earth was spherical? 

message: Thursday, 06 January 2011 18:13 AbuAbdullah
	
As’salaamu3laykum Wa Rahmatullaahee Wa Barakaatuhu Bismillaah, As you already know there are rumors going around from those who oppose the Ahlu-Sunnah wa Jumm’aah by attacking and trying to belittle the Scholars, such as al-Albaanee, al-Uthaymeen and their favorite Shaykh ibn Baaz ((May Allaah have mercy o­n all of their souls)).
You might have heard from those who hate the dawatul Salafiyyah regarding the ((so called)) fatwa from bin Baaz stating that the world is Flat. Some who don’t know that this is an obvious lie try to make excuses for him by saying ((the shaykh was blind)) and so o­n. At least they tried to defend the shaykh, but overlooked the knowledge and wisdom this man had possessed. He was not o­nly a Scholar, he was the Grande Mufti of Saudi Arabia, President of Medinah University, Head of the Senior Scholars ((The Permanent Committee)) and other great and highly valued responsibilities. May Allaah Have Mercy o­n his soul and reward him greatly for all the work he has done and tried to do for the Ummaah. Aameen.
Here is the ((real)) Fatwa from Shaykh bin Baaz ((Raheemahullaah)) regarding if the Earth is Flat or Round.
The following is the English translation, I have also included the link where you can hear him being asked the question and him answering it in Arabic.
Allaah Azza Wa Jall continues to show the truth to those who He guides, wal Alhamdulillaahee Rabbil 3lameen.
http://binbaz.org.sa/RecDisplay.asp?f=n-04-1407-0300007.htm
Introduction
The following letter reached the program (broadcast program) from Kenya, sent by our brother, the student, Ibraheem Muhammad Al-Awwal. The brother says, "I heard the program Nurun 'alad-Darb (A Light upon the Path) and I benefited greatly from it. Therefore, I wanted to send these questions to you all because their topics are very perplexing to me. The first is: Is the earth round or flat?"
The Shaikh:
According to the people knowledge (scholars of Islaam) the earth is round, for indeed Ibn Hazim and a group of other scholars mentioned that there is a consensus (unanimous agreement, Ijmaa') among the people of knowledge that it is round. This means that all of it is connected together thus making the form of the entire planet like a ball. However, Allaah has spread out surface for us and He has placed firm mountains upon it and placed the animals and the seas upon it as a mercy for us. For this reason, Allaah said:
"And (do they not look) at the Earth, how it was made FLAT (Sutihat)." [Al-Ghaashiyyah (88):20]
Therefore, it (the Earth) has been made flat for us in regards to its surface, so that people can live o­n it and so that people can be comfortable upon it. The fact that it is round does not prevent that its surface has been made flat. This is because something that is round and very large, if it is made flat (its surface), then its surface will become very vast or broad (i.e. having a flat appearance). Yes."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.226.92.153 (talk) 21:19, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Fatwa by Bin Baaz (Raheemahullaah) on The World Being Flat