Talk:Björk/Archive 1

message: :Hoo boy, what a mess. Am I alone in thinking that it might be good to simply start over on this article? So much of this has been hacked, cut and pasted, cobbled together and generally piled up from other sources, it seems like it'd be good for someone familiar with her career to simply sit down and start a new outline. (This person is not me, unless I do lots of reading). Then maybe we can incorporate existing content as we go along. Unless someone beats me to it, I think I'll be working on this at Bjork/Temp. -- Wapcaplet 02:38 28 May 2003 (UTC)
This article is in the process of major revision. A temporary page has been set up for revising the Björk article. It was at Bjork/Temp for a while, but now has been (properly) moved to Talk:Björk/Temp. Please make all edits to the temporary article, rather than the real article, until such time as it is ready to be moved back into the real article.
The goal at this point is not to include every single bit of information from the original article. Doing so could be extraordinarily difficult, which is probably the reason the article is in the state it's in now. My intentions at this moment are:
* Get a decent structural outline finished
** Early career (first solo work, Tappi Tikarass and other bands)
** Beginning of professional career (Sugarcubes, etc.)
** Solo career (this should comprise the bulk of the article)
** Acting and movie stuff
* Begin moving details from existing article into new outline
** Set up additional temporary pages, if necessary, to help hash out the various sections
** Use a "scratch" page to store all the juicy tidbits from the current article. Delete them from the scratch page as they are seamlessly incorporated (preferably in brilliant prose) into the newly revised article at Talk:Björk/Temp.
* Tidy up, spit and polish, make it beautiful
* Replace the current article with the new one
Since Björk is primarily known as a musician, her musical career should perhaps be of predominating priority in the article. A great many details from her personal life (relationships, marriage, having kids, etc.) are present in the current article, and I would really like to keep these, provided they can be worked into the context of her musical career somehow.
And of course, this is Wiki! I hope I'm not doing this alone, and I would graciously welcome all comments, criticisms, contributions, and collaborations. -- Wapcaplet 02:39 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
:This article was in the process of revision, but now it has been, well, revised. The old contents of the article have been moved to Talk:Björk/Temp. Please make all edits to Björk. Thanks! -- Wapcaplet 14:42, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Revision

message: I did some massive trimming of this vast article, but it still needs considerable work.  In particular, the discography is confusing -- are all of those albums?  And they need disambiguation.  -- Zoe
:I agree with user:Zoe that the article is ugly. I'd like to see a more even-handed presentation of the artist's professional career. Any criticism of her sexual or procreational proclivities might best go in a separate section. --Uncle Ed 14:17, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Trimming

message: Why was this article moved to Björk Guðmundsdóttir? I don't think that's quite in line with our naming conventions of keeping article titles simple and familiar to most English speakers. Very few English-speakers know, or would even recognize, Björk's last name. Simply Björk is the more popular name, as well as her performing name, and is hardly ambiguous. The new title is also definitely in conflict with the restrictions on using only ISO 8859-1 characters in article titles. -- Wapcaplet 05:01, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's irrelevant now but I'd like to point out anyway that "ð" *is* a part of ISO-8859-1 and there was never any reason to avoid it in titles. I'm fine with keeping the article under 'Björk', though. - 212.30.203.31 12:16, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title

message: Hey people, why does the spanish version of this page have so much more information about Bjork's works (such as DVD, VHS plus collaboration info) PLUS links to articles (that are actually written!) to virtually all of the work she's done. It seems the Spanish fans are way ahead here. What's up with that? Swidly 06:44, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I would guess that the Spanish version was based on the older, much longer and more disorganized version of the article. I don't habla Español, so I can't really tell if that's the case. But hey, if there is good information there, please feel free to translate it! -- Wapcaplet 22:33, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish version more complete? 

message: I've never heard she was bipolar before. Is this a well-known fact? What's the source on that piece of info?
... if this is just fan speculation, and not a fact, then it should be deleted, imho. swidly 06:42, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bjork bipolar? 

message: Does anyone else think it's stupid to have the whole part about MTV2, Janet Jackson, etc.?  It's nice to reference the music videos and their uniqueness, but why drag all of that unrelated garbage in?  And why only the Medulla videos when she has a dozen or more previous ones that are unmentioned?  Maybe we could make a videography section, with links to directors.
::I added that info--to answer your question: I am not familiar with Bjork's older career.  But, I was a fan (and got MTV2) by time of Medulla.  I really cannot recall any other channel playing Bjork's videos, besides for The Box, but they'd play anything.
* Agreed. I've trimmed the paragraph in question. -- Wapcaplet 03:38, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videos and TV ratings 

message: Taken from the Matthew Barney page: "He and Björk have a daughter, Isadora, who was born in 2002."  Is this a true statement?  Should it appear in Björk?  Dbenbenn 15:13, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daughter? 

message: I put a complete discography organized according to the groups Björk was part of. I also included collaboration and featuring releases because that’s how it should be presented. I wrote the Spanish version and this discography was taken from that article. Notice that this discography has some differences if compared to other discographies, even the official discography provided at her site.
Some people get confuse when adding collaborations and locate the releases according to their date of release. Thus, there are several releases which are said to be collaborations of The Sugarcubes and that’s simple not true, since Björk was the only one to be present there (there are several examples).
Notice that in the case of collaborations I put a small description so that you know what’s all about without having to see the article. Singles were also included and organized, and their presence is important thanks to the collaborations of other renown artists.
It was a mistake to put Gling-Gló as one of her solo career, because that album had the credits of Björk Guðmundsdóttir & Tríó Guðmundar Ingólfssonar (a group that was dissolved after the pianist’s death).
The Elgar Sisters was also very important and their discography was later in other releases.
I will write about all of these releases. One by one. Luis María Benítez 23:25, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Complete discography (at last!)

message: Can one translate the English article about Björk in full to his native language version of Wikipedia, or is the material strictly copyrighted?
:As long as your translated version is also available under the GFDL — which it will be on any other Wikipedia project — then you can translate away.  (Wikipedia:Copyrights discusses this in further detail, if you're interested.) - jredmond 23:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Like all text on Wikipedia the Björk article is licensed under the GFDL which basically means you can do whatever you like with it as long as you also license the result under the GFDL. Translating articles between different language Wikipedias is certainly no problem at all :) It's done all the time. Please go ahead. If you do so you may want to mention English Wikipedia as the source or reference for your article - but that's just a question of good conduct and not a legal requirement. - Haukurth 23:24, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMPORTANT Question About Translation 

message: Why doesn't this article cover some of the bad press that Bjork has received (the biggest of these being the mail-bomb stalker who committed suicide, also the attack on the reporter).  If this is an encyclopedic article on Bjork it should include all major events in her career.  I'm a fan of Bjork's but I came here looking for information about the stalker.  Jeff schiller 18:29, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that, go ahead and add it. 138.23.89.187 01:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad Press? 

message: Nowhere in the original article does it mention that Bjork rhymes with "work" rather than "pork", the latter being the way most seem to pronounce her name -- incorrectly. That should be right at the top, following the Icelandic characters for her name.
: Re-read the article, it is mentioned, though not at the top. Jeff schiller 20:54, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: I'm tempted to remove this comment from the first para ("She is also considered to be the only true celebrity from Iceland.") - sounds like someone's opinion to me, and I'm not convinced that it's correct. Magnus Magnusson is certainly famous here in the UK... Anyone have an opinion? CLW 22:55, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nonsense. Emiliana Torrini got an Italian name, but she is Icelandic and famous, too. ;) - andy 80.129.101.170 17:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only true celebrity from Iceland? 

message: I added a link to Sindri's dad, which seemed to be missing (since her daughter's father is mentioned).  However, it's my understanding that he was in KUKL -- but the wikipedia has completely opposite information.  So I have not tampered with that.  --Gryn 06:39, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: His fathers name is Þór Eldon not Megas.  Þór Eldon played guitar in the Sugarcubes. --Sindri 09:55, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yikes, my apologies. I'll You'll fix the page. --Gryn 03:41, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sindri's Papa 

message: Or did an editor here just give a fairly .. uh ..  dingy example from his own vocabulary? No kidding this is IMPORTANT - otherwise I will change it into something less unsavory like "rhymes with the US pronunciation of 'clerk'". -andy 80.129.101.170 17:41, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you really take offence at the work "jerk", then can I suggest you use "smirk" or "shirk" or something instead of the US pronunciation of "clerk" since, as you point out, we Brits pronounce "clerk" as "clark" and this example could be quite unhelpful to anyone who isn't aware that the US pronunciation differs... I however think "jerk" is ideal, as everyone knows how it's pronounced and that's the main point in this context. CLW 17:47, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was in a Babe Hound magazine interview - you can read it here; maybe this link should be in the article. Korny O'Near 17:53, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks a lot for this info! See ... that's what this discussion is for. Good I had not touched the article yet. -andy 80.129.101.170 19:48, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "'Byerk' rhymes with 'jerk'" - is that really HER quote? 

message: The last sentence in the 8th paragraph under "Popularity" doesn't seem to have a purpose.  It is also unprovable due to its ambiguity.  No American airplay via major networks?  Via any cable-on-demand provider?  Via satellite?  And why mention only America?  Did it receive play in other major markets such as Australia, Japan or South America?  How about India which has gained a significant pop audience?  It reads like a shot at the US and doesn't seem to have a place in the article. 68.83.217.79 05:00, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-POV Problem?

message: The old picture was way better. See if you can try and get it back.
:I uploaded the original image. I still have it, so if anybody wants to put it back, let me know. Luis María Benítez 15:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did you get it from (ie, what is the source)? You know, I did say "If you want to keep it, please consider uploading the image locally" and yet nobody did. If it's not freely licensed then it has to be uploaded here (ie, locally, Special:Upload) under fair use provisions. I suggest anyone uploading it should read WP:FU to understand this requirement. --pfctdayelise (translate?) 02:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I have uploaded it again. Here you can see it: :image:Björk_(Richard_Phibbs).jpg. It is under the fair use. Here is the other image: :image:Bjork Hurricane.jpg I have also moved the screenshot of Dancer in the Dark and put it on the corresponding article. Luis María Benítez 15:26, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old picture 

message: Hi, this image is a suspected copyright violation and may soon be deleted from the Commons:. If you want to keep it, please consider uploading the image locally. Thank you. pfctdayelise 07:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was the best image in the Björk article. Hopefully the license is sorted out so it can be kept. Cvene64 08:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:Björk performing at the Olympics in Athens.jpg]] 

message: Yes, it's colorful and pretty.  But we can't actually see what Bjork looks like, which is the only reason to have a picture of her anyway.  I wouldn't know where to begin searching.  So consider this an open request:  please, someone, find us a nice, copyright-free image where we can actually see Bjork!  Kasreyn 04:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We've got to get a better picture than that. 

message: Example here  ... it's one of the best-known bits of gossip about her (at least pre-swan), but it seems to be untrue. I don't know if it's been in the article before and been removed, so I'll just put it here for someone to digest. --Dhartung | Talk 18:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Island story 

message: I am tempted to remove this section as there is already a comprehensive Bjork discography page.  It seems rather pointless to have the same information listed in both places.  Any thoughts? -- eo 15:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I, for one, think it's useful to have an abbreviated discography on the main page, with more details available for those who need them. Maybe it could be trimmed a bit, though. swidly 22:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Swidley - also, the Australian chart positions need to be placed on the discography page along with the US charts. Sweetie Petie 08:20, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I pretty much agree with swidley also - this article used to just have the bigger singles in a plain-text bullet list and now its a full-blown table that is almost identical to what is on the discography page, so that's what prompted me to say something.  An abbreviated, less-elaborate list seems most appropriate for Bjork's main page, in my opinion. -- eo 12:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved the solo albums about a bit. The soundtracks aren't usually regarded as a 'studio album' while Gling Glo isn't solo. I think it is better now. If anyone wants to see which major releases she has had, they should see her 5 proper releases and her '77 debut. Damiancorrigan 10:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I am taking the singles table and a lot of the album stuff off the main Bjork page.  If there is a revolt free free to revert but there really is no need for the redundancy. -- eo 13:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography

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