Talk:Rabwah

message: ==Chanab Nagar==
The name of the city, (that came in to existence after 1947 ) was changed to Chanab Nager some where in 1980s. I wonder why the article depicts this as rabwah? 
india has changed the name of various cities established centuries ago an no one can find article with old name like bombay. madras or banaras.
why is there so much resistance to correcting the name of this article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savoychimp12 (talk • contribs) 08:02, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments / Issues 

message: Dear All
The article is having some great mistakes
1. Ahmadi is NOT a Muslim, in Islamic Shariat they are Murtid(a person who leaves Islam after accepting Islam). A murtid is worse than a kafir(a person who does not accept Islam) because he/she has left The True Path after finding it.
2. Ahmadi is a threat to Islam as they represent themselves as Muslim to the people that are ignorant of this conspiracy, thus damaging the true sense of Islam.  We at Pakistan are lucky that our Government has declared in the 1973 constitution 2nd Amendment “A person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of The Prophethood of MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), the last of the Prophets or claims to be a Prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or religious reformer, is not a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or law.”
Ref:  [[Media:]
3. According to an ordinance issued in 1984, Ahmadis are forbidden to call themselves Muslims. This means that they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or call their places of worship mosques. Trespassing the ban is considered blasphemy and charges drastic penalties.
You are thus requested to please remove this article and add another one with the name of “Chanabnagr” that is the true name of the city.
I pray that all ahmadi leave this religion and accept the Islam.
thanks 
Idrees Barlas
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:Reply to Mistakes
: *Dear Mr.Idress in quran the definition of islam is whoever reads Kalima is Muslim and as far as i have seen the Ahmadis have the same Kalima as other Muslims and no one in world can rule out whose muslim and whose note its something between you and god.as far as their muslim status they are Muslims in all countries except one ! so that's i think 99.9% of the world considers them Muslims ?
:* As far as your 2nd point is concerned first few Lines are your own opinions, then you state the paksitani law which ofcourse is true but we have to see is this is not a pakistani site and pakistani law is not an internationa law . according to my info this site is being operated from USA so in this case USA law will be in effct which like all other countires accepts Ahmadis as Muslims.
:* Again you talked about the ordinance passed by the Pakistani Govt which shouldnt effect this website as its not owned , run by or from Pakistan.
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Dear who ever u r ( i hope u r not qadiani)
: The motive of my message was just to let the readers know that this article only gives prespectives of qadianis. The majority of the Muslima are offended by this text.
: 1.I am not supposed to debate, talk or discuss Islam with any qadiani. But every muslim knows that there is no Prophet after Muhammad (PBUH).
: *2.As chanabnager is in Pakistan so fortunately Pakistani Law is applied to its residence and the city.
: 3.I wonder if you would call Indian cities of mumbai as bombay, chunai as madras and varansi as banaras. thus I would like to call Chanabnager.
:  Based on the Fact that city is in Pakistan, I understand that the city name is Chnabnager and the Ahmadis living in Pakistan are Qadiani and non muslim
: I pray that all ahmadi leave this religion and accept the Islam.
: thanks 
: Idrees Barlas
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thread_title:  Mistakes 

message: Dear sir,
In Rabwah article i noticed a mistake.
Population of the city is written twice (contrary to each other),  in the city box on right side of the page and in the begining of article. I want you to make it right. the exact figure is (as far as i know) 70,000 in the year 2003.
Thanking you,
Navid Ahmad
: *Thankyou for the update Navid but to update the info you need a legitimate source to confirm what you are saying !
*Dear Navid,
The article has lots of mistakes, for example its name. The correct name of the city is Chenab nager. I hope this will be corrected , so that people can get the correct information.
Shearsaved2000 (talk) 18:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment1

message: Dear All
The article is having some great mistakes
1. Ahmadi is NOT a Muslim, in Islamic Shariat they are Murtid(a person who leaves Islam after accepting Islam). A murtid is worse than a kafir(a person who does not accept Islam) because he/she has left The True Path after finding it.
2. Ahmadi is a threat to Islam as they represent themselves as Muslim to the people that are ignorant of this conspiracy, thus damaging the true sense of Islam.  We at Pakistan are lucky that our Government has declared in the 1973 constitution 2nd Amendment “A person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of The Prophethood of MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), the last of the Prophets or claims to be a Prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or religious reformer, is not a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or law.”
Ref:  [[Media:]
3. According to an ordinance issued in 1984, Ahmadis are forbidden to call themselves Muslims. This means that they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or call their places of worship mosques. Trespassing the ban is considered blasphemy and charges drastic penalties.
You are thus requested to please remove this article and add another one with the name of “Chanabnagr” that is the true name of the city.
I pray that all ahmadi leave this religion and accept the Islam.
thanks 
Idrees Barlas
----
:Reply to Mistakes
: *Dear Mr.Idress in quran the definition of islam is whoever reads Kalima is Muslim and as far as i have seen the Ahmadis have the same Kalima as other Muslims and no one in world can rule out whose muslim and whose note its something between you and god.as far as their muslim status they are Muslims in all countries except one ! so that's i think 99.9% of the world considers them Muslims ?
:* As far as your 2nd point is concerned first few Lines are your own opinions, then you state the paksitani law which ofcourse is true but we have to see is this is not a pakistani site and pakistani law is not an internationa law . according to my info this site is being operated from USA so in this case USA law will be in effct which like all other countires accepts Ahmadis as Muslims.
:* Again you talked about the ordinance passed by the Pakistani Govt which shouldnt effect this website as its not owned , run by or from Pakistan.
----
Dear who ever u r ( i hope u r not qadiani)
: The motive of my message was just to let the readers know that this article only gives prespectives of qadianis. The majority of the Muslims are offended by this text.
: 1.I am not supposed to debate, talk or discuss Islam with any qadiani. But every muslim knows that there is no Prophet after Muhammad (PBUH), This is in Quran also (If you say that there is some new prophet(God forbid) then you say that the truth of Islam is no more).
: *2.As chanabnager is in Pakistan so fortunately Pakistani Law is applied to its residence and the city.
: 3.I wonder if you would call Indian cities of mumbai as bombay, chunai as madras and varansi as banaras. thus I would like to call Chanabnager.
:  Based on the Fact that city is in Pakistan, I understand that the city name is Chnabnager and the Ahmadis living in Pakistan are Qadiani and non muslim
: I pray that all ahmadi leave this religion and accept the Islam.
: thanks 
: Idrees Barlas
::Wikipedia does not follow, just because it's the mainstream muslim's view that Ahmadis are non-muslims. It is your opinion and please keep it to yourself. ThankYou Peaceworld111 (talk) 12:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistakes 

message: S. G. A shah  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.59.80.19 (talk) 12:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment2

message: The "official" name of the town this article refers to is "Chenab Nagar". It is however still widely referred to as "Rabwa". Any encyclopedic article on "Rabwa" has to mention this alternative name. The reference to the name change is supported by a citation - hence I am restoring this information. Please discuss your concerns regarding this issue before making more changes. Thank you. Nazli 03:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since there are no objections to my argument for about two years, I should rename the article to Chenab Nagar and redirect Rabwah to it. yasirniazkhan (talk) 15:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment5

message: I have requested page protection  c/o repeated deletion of the reference to Chenab Nagar.
History of vandalism:
Nazli (talk) 05:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Article should not be locked as this only gives the prepective of Qadianis and is very much offending to Muslims. I would rather suggest to delete this article and publish new article by the name of Chanab Nager  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonenone4000 (talk • contribs) 08:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection 

message: There is no city of name rabwah in Pakistan , the coordinates given leads to the location that is called Chanabnagar.
If somebody in Pakistan differs with this he is challenging the Authority of the State, the same state that feeds him.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.134.114 (talk) 08:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Google-maps link for the coordinates given lead to a position marked "Rabwah" and there is no mention of "Chanabnagar" anywhere near there. Same for ArcWeb and ACME Mapper. I don't see evidence of Chanabnagar being a widely-used name in English to identify this place. Without that evidence, WP:PLACE is pretty clear that Rabwah is the name we use. DMacks (talk) 17:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment7

message: Hi All,
I am not going to tolerated any hate materials by:
1. Muslims against Qadyanis.
2. Qadyanis against Muslims.
Please do not begin your edit-wars here. Keep wikipedia netural and as facts. I am watching this page permanently.
Thanks YawarSid (talk) 18:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Administrative final warning to all: I will be handing out blocks to anyone who adds or restores abusive comments, insults, or other forms of incivility. You are welcome to discuss in a calm, factual way, ideas for improving the page. You are not welcome to post rants, emotional tirades, or claims of what is or is not allowed to be stated based on a religious/cultural point of view. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia: a great place to learn about differing viewpoints and use reliable sources to support them. DMacks (talk) 22:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hatred material 

message: I propose to merge this article into the article Chenab Nagar. Rabwah will then redirect to Chenab Nagar. Reason is that this city lies in Pakistan and Pakistan Government changed its name to Chenab Nagar in 1998. yasirniazkhan (talk) 16:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read what I wrote above in Comment7 regarding finding the common English name for this place. DMacks (talk) 16:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: However, all these mapper websites show Faisalabad as Lyallpur, but the wikipedia article is still named Faisalabad. Additionally, if you search for Chenab Nagar on these mappers, you land on Rabwah. So why this contradiction? Also note, that the name of Faisalabad was changed back in 1977, still google etc donot have updated records. Rabwah's name was changed in 1998. How can we expect this change to take place sooner than that? Similarly, the first paragraph of explanation of Mumbai's name also states that many of its residents still call it Bombay, but the name of article has the official changed name (which was changed only in 1995). yasirniazkhan (talk) 13:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger Proposal 

message: I also vote for naming this article as Chenab Nagar and redirecting the Rabwah to it.Abulfazl 18:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in favour that the name of the article be changed to Chenab Nager.
Oftenalert2000 (talk) 17:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

text: @182.186.130.166 This has been previously discussed and debated with the consensus being that since the city is popularly known as Rabwah, it is the legitimate title of the page. It is not the Wiki policy to use the official name as the title! To give you an example, the official name of "Germany" is Bundesrepublik Deutschland but the Wiki article does not go by this official name rather it goes by the more popular name in English i.e "Germany". You can review the Naming conventions for geographical articles at WP:Place. Thank you. Sohebbasharat (talk) 14:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote For Chenab Nagar

message: As suggested by DMacs the widely known and used name for the city is "Rabwah" and the widely used name by its residents and the local area ! So i would vote for the article name and title to remain Rabwah ! and chenabanagar should be redirected here
--EhsanAhmad (talk) 16:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote For Rabwah

message: All other religious malarkey aside, there are significant issues in this article that need to be addressed.
1- The majority of the article is written like a list which need to be converted to prose. If sufficient information is not available then those sections need to be removed. Case in point I am really not sure that we need to list every single one of the mosques located in the city. Instead we should have more detail on Mubarik and Aqsa mosque and just note that the city has an unusually high number of mosques per person.
2- Things to do section should be removed
3- Bazaars should be removed or changed into Commerce with removal of unwanted information and additional mention of main commercial throughfares in lieu of just listing two markets and adding a library and a mosque into the mix.
thanks
Jim Logan Howlett (talk) 00:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Issues 

message: I see that the flickr gallery in the "external links" section has some nice pictures of rabwah. If the owners can release their rights, i can make a montage of those pictures and place it in the infobox. Like for example in the Lahore article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LahoreSohebbasharat (talk) 15:56, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montage for Rabwah 

message: Love for all Fafaahmad (talk) 09:55, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rawah 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: for minor changes Myedit1 (talk) 11:30, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not clear what you want to do. Requests must be of the form "please change X to Y". PepperBeast (talk) 13:33, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2019