Talk:Baudot code

message: Re: Original Baudot, Continental European
* Currently: t 0074
* Why isn't: T 0054
Tree4rest (talk) 22:29, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the "t" seems wrong.  I changed it to "T". Guy Harris (talk) 00:33, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope!  It appears, in the leftmost chart of "Fig 1. The Baudot code" in the reference for that table, that it's an underlined superscript lower-case "t".  I'm not sure what that would be used for; there are other underlined superscripted upper-case letters, such as "F", "H", and "O".  U+1D57 is "MODIFIER LETTER SMALL T", which is in the "Phonetic Extensions" block, but, according to the official Unicode chart, it's not underlined, so, if it really is underlined, it'd have to be mapped to a combining character plus "MODIFIER LETTER SMALL T". Guy Harris (talk) 05:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lower case in telegraph code? 

message: Does anybody know what the characters shown as superscripted, double-underlined letters in the left-hand chart of "Fig 1. The Baudot code" of the reference for the charts in "Original Baudot, Continental European" are?  The letters appear to be capital "F", capital "H", capital or lower-case "O"/"o", and lower-case "t". I tried some Web searching, but didn't find anything obvious. Guy Harris (talk) 05:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The French Wiki page has this source with a table that matches the double underlined "t" (there it is a capitalized but small "T") with a period "." character as secondary meaning. The code is the same from the patent and a regular capital letter "T" is also present on the listing. May indicate end of message (transmis/transmitted) (tout/all) or perhaps underline. Other letters having it suggests a convention perhaps of a control character usage. 24.240.218.117 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 00:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Underlined superscripted letters in "Original Baudot, Continental European"? 

message: How is this
Europe	Europe	Europe 	Europe 	Europe	Europe	Europe	sort keys                 	sort keys	UK  	UK  	UK	UK	UK	UK	UK	UK 	sort keys
V     	IV    	       	       	I     	II    	III   	Con­ti­nen­tal	Gray     	Let.	Fig.	V 	IV	  	I 	II	III	UK
      	      	       	       	      	      	      	-                         	-        	    	    	  	  	  	  	  	   	-
      	      	A      	1      	●     	      	      	                          	         	A   	1   	  	  	  	● 	  	   	
      	      	É      	&      	●     	●     	      	                          	         	/   	1/  	  	  	  	● 	● 	   	
      	      	E      	2      	      	●     	      	                          	         	E   	2   	  	  	  	  	● 	   	
      	      	I      	       	      	●     	●     	                          	         	I   	3/  	  	  	  	  	● 	●  	
      	      	O      	5      	●     	●     	●     	                          	         	O   	5   	  	  	  	● 	● 	●  	
      	      	U      	4      	●     	      	●     	                          	         	U   	4   	  	  	  	● 	  	●  	
      	      	Y      	3      	      	      	●     	                          	         	Y   	3   	  	  	  	  	  	●  	
      	●     	B      	8      	      	      	●     	                          	         	B   	8   	  	● 	  	  	  	●  	
      	●     	C      	9      	●     	      	●     	                          	         	C   	9   	  	● 	  	● 	  	●  	
      	●     	D      	0      	●     	●     	●     	                          	         	D   	0   	  	● 	  	● 	● 	●  	
      	●     	F      	       	      	●     	●     	                          	         	F   	5/  	  	● 	  	  	● 	●  	
      	●     	G      	7      	      	●     	      	                          	         	G   	7   	  	● 	  	  	● 	   	
      	●     	H      	       	●     	●     	      	                          	         	H   	¹   	  	● 	  	● 	● 	   	
      	●     	J      	6      	●     	      	      	                          	         	J   	6   	  	● 	  	● 	  	   	
      	●     	Figure 	Blank  	      	      	      	                          	         	Fig.	Bl. 	  	● 	  	  	  	   	
●     	●     	Erasure	Erasure	      	      	      	                          	         	*   	*   	● 	● 	  	  	  	   	
●     	●     	K      	(      	●     	      	      	                          	         	K   	(   	● 	● 	  	● 	  	   	
●     	●     	L      	=      	●     	●     	      	                          	         	L   	=   	● 	● 	  	● 	● 	   	
●     	●     	M      	)      	      	●     	      	                          	         	M   	)   	● 	● 	  	  	● 	   	
●     	●     	N      	N°     	      	●     	●     	                          	         	N   	£   	● 	● 	  	  	● 	●  	
●     	●     	P      	%      	●     	●     	●     	                          	         	P   	+   	● 	● 	  	● 	● 	●  	
●     	●     	Q      	/      	●     	      	●     	                          	         	Q   	/   	● 	● 	  	● 	  	●  	
●     	●     	R      	–      	      	      	●     	                          	         	R   	–   	● 	● 	  	  	  	●  	
●     	      	S      	;      	      	      	●     	                          	         	S   	7/  	● 	  	  	  	  	●  	
●     	      	T      	!      	●     	      	●     	                          	         	T   	²   	● 	  	  	● 	  	●  	
●     	      	V      	'      	●     	●     	●     	                          	         	V   	¹   	● 	  	  	● 	● 	●  	
●     	      	W      	?      	      	●     	●     	                          	         	W   	?   	● 	  	  	  	● 	●  	
●     	      	X      	,      	      	●     	      	                          	         	X   	9/  	● 	  	  	  	● 	   	
●     	      	Z      	:      	●     	●     	      	                          	         	Z   	:   	● 	  	  	● 	● 	   	
●     	      	       	.      	●     	      	      	                          	         	–   	.   	● 	  	  	● 	  	   	
●     	      	Blank  	Letter 	      	      	      	                          	         	Bl. 	Let.	● 	  	  	  	  	   	
meant to be an improvement on this?
Baudot code (Continental and UK versions)	      	       	       	      	      	      	                          	         	         	    	  	  	  	  	  	   	  	
{|class="wikitable sortable" border="0" style="text-align:center; font-size:70%; border: 1px dashed blue;"	Europe	Europe 	Europe 	Europe	Europe	Europe	Europe                    	sort keys	sort keys	UK  	UK	UK	UK	UK	UK	UK 	UK	sort keys
V                                        	IV    	       	       	I     	II    	III   	Con­ti­nen­tal	Gray     	Let.     	Fig.	V 	IV	  	I 	II	III	UK	
                                         	      	       	       	      	      	      	-                         	-        	         	    	  	  	  	  	  	   	- 	
                                         	      	A      	1      	●     	      	      	                          	         	A        	1   	  	  	  	● 	  	   	  	
                                         	      	É      	&      	●     	●     	      	                          	         	/        	1/  	  	  	  	● 	● 	   	  	
                                         	      	E      	2      	      	●     	      	                          	         	E        	2   	  	  	  	  	● 	   	  	
                                         	      	I      	       	      	●     	●     	                          	         	I        	3/  	  	  	  	  	● 	●  	  	
                                         	      	O      	5      	●     	●     	●     	                          	         	O        	5   	  	  	  	● 	● 	●  	  	
                                         	      	U      	4      	●     	      	●     	                          	         	U        	4   	  	  	  	● 	  	●  	  	
                                         	      	Y      	3      	      	      	●     	                          	         	Y        	3   	  	  	  	  	  	●  	  	
                                         	●     	B      	8      	      	      	●     	                          	         	B        	8   	  	● 	  	  	  	●  	  	
                                         	●     	C      	9      	●     	      	●     	                          	         	C        	9   	  	● 	  	● 	  	●  	  	
                                         	●     	D      	0      	●     	●     	●     	                          	         	D        	0   	  	● 	  	● 	● 	●  	  	
                                         	●     	F      	       	      	●     	●     	                          	         	F        	5/  	  	● 	  	  	● 	●  	  	
                                         	●     	G      	7      	      	●     	      	                          	         	G        	7   	  	● 	  	  	● 	   	  	
                                         	●     	H      	       	●     	●     	      	                          	         	H        	¹   	  	● 	  	● 	● 	   	  	
                                         	●     	J      	6      	●     	      	      	                          	         	J        	6   	  	● 	  	● 	  	   	  	
                                         	●     	Figure 	Blank  	      	      	      	                          	         	Fig.     	Bl. 	  	● 	  	  	  	   	  	
●                                        	●     	Erasure	Erasure	      	      	      	                          	         	*        	*   	● 	● 	  	  	  	   	  	
●                                        	●     	K      	(      	●     	      	      	                          	         	K        	(   	● 	● 	  	● 	  	   	  	
●                                        	●     	L      	=      	●     	●     	      	                          	         	L        	=   	● 	● 	  	● 	● 	   	  	
●                                        	●     	M      	)      	      	●     	      	                          	         	M        	)   	● 	● 	  	  	● 	   	  	
●                                        	●     	N      	N°     	      	●     	●     	                          	         	N        	£   	● 	● 	  	  	● 	●  	  	
●                                        	●     	P      	%      	●     	●     	●     	                          	         	P        	+   	● 	● 	  	● 	● 	●  	  	
●                                        	●     	Q      	/      	●     	      	●     	                          	         	Q        	/   	● 	● 	  	● 	  	●  	  	
●                                        	●     	R      	–      	      	      	●     	                          	         	R        	–   	● 	● 	  	  	  	●  	  	
●                                        	      	S      	;      	      	      	●     	                          	         	S        	7/  	● 	  	  	  	  	●  	  	
●                                        	      	T      	!      	●     	      	●     	                          	         	T        	²   	● 	  	  	● 	  	●  	  	
●                                        	      	V      	'      	●     	●     	●     	                          	         	V        	¹   	● 	  	  	● 	● 	●  	  	
●                                        	      	W      	?      	      	●     	●     	                          	         	W        	?   	● 	  	  	  	● 	●  	  	
●                                        	      	X      	,      	      	●     	      	                          	         	X        	9/  	● 	  	  	  	● 	   	  	
●                                        	      	Z      	:      	●     	●     	      	                          	         	Z        	:   	● 	  	  	● 	● 	   	  	
●                                        	      	       	.      	●     	      	      	                          	         	–        	.   	● 	  	  	● 	  	   	  	
●                                        	      	Blank  	Letter 	      	      	      	                          	         	Bl.      	Let.	● 	  	  	  	  	   	  	
In my browser, the first one has a huge whitespace to the right.  The second version you tried leaves behind a key that will be baffling to the reader. SpinningSpark 17:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , As I have told you several times, all data tables need captions (per MOS:TABLECAPTION) and you should not have nested tables (!): that's wildly inaccessible. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  You've told me, but you are not in charge any more than I am.  I'm all for making things more accessible, but that shouldn't be done at the expense of sacrificing the appearance for the majority of readers.  Your latest attempt has unhidden the table which makes the article more difficult for readers (probably the majority) who want to just skip past the table.  I'm not saying there is not a problem, but can you please explain exactly what the problem is, then perhaps between us we can come up with a solution.  Why does a caption work better than the rolled up title of a hidden table?  Why do you consider the nesting to be nesting of data tables when the table is only wrapped inside a title, not more data? SpinningSpark 18:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I've made several attempts at this: how about you do the work that you keep on offloading to me. How things look is not anywhere near as important as how accessible they are and the current version is perfectly fine aesthetically and is accessible. See MOS:SMALL, MOS:TABLECAPTION, and MOS:COLLAPSE: as far as I can tell, you haven't read them and you keep on inserting nested tables as well (!) which is totally inaccessible. The fact that you keep on doing this seems to prove that you haven't read or comprehended Help:Table#Nested_tables or any other documentation on tables that I have repeatedly asked you to read. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messed up tables