Talk:Joseph Nicholson Barney

message: Silly question from someone who knows very little about the American Civil War - could you please specify which oath was taken upon his return from Europe? Inner Earth 16:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

message: - you added . However this august institution was established in 1845. There was an institution in the naval asylum in Philidelphia or possibly this somewhere else - but Annapolis at the time was an army installation - Fort Severn. I don't have access to your source here - but something here is fishy. I haven't been able to find the institution myself (him being a Midshipman as of 1835 is easy to source via the naval register).Icewhiz (talk) 16:40, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The source used is another version of the source I added, which is his obituary (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/13112271/death_of_capt_j_n_barney_the/). The dates are in there. I don't find any newspapers.com reference for a Barney graduating at that date, but I do find him at the top of a list of midshipment who passed their examination at the Naval Asylum in 1841 (Midshipmen, The Baltimore Sun (Baltimore, Maryland) June 26, 1841, page 1, accessed August 15, 2017 at https://www.newspapers.com/clip/13113260/midshipmen_the_baltimore_sun/). I don't know enough to interpret that article or understand how it mixes with the dates in the obituary, so I didn't add it. My fold3 access expired, but on ancestry I find him listed as a midshipman on the Frigate Potomac in 1836 (Register of the Commissioned and Warrant Officers of the Navy of the United States, including Officers of the Marine Corps for the Year 1836, Blair and Rives (Washington, DC), 1836, p45, accessed August 15, 2017 at https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/60656/32271_1220705235_0230-00084). Smmurphy(Talk) 17:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  If the 1841 piece is from 1841, it is probably from him being a Passed midshipman - or passing the lieutenant's exam (unless the 1832/5 dates are off - this would have in an academy at age 14 and enlisting at 17 - which might be correct (even for a son of a congressmen) in the early 19th century - and might not). The obit (from 1899) does say US naval academy at Annapolis in  1832 - but this is clearly wrong - as nothing there existed at that time. While we could send a correction (100+ years late) to the Baltimore Sun I think I'll strike the 1832 and academy from the article.Icewhiz (talk) 17:11, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe there is a USNA graduate list that we could use to verify whether he was an Annapolis grad or not. That obit dates may be wrong. Kges1901 (talk) 17:19, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  He was commed a midshipman in 1835, that does appear in the register. That date is correct. However he could not have been an Annapolis grad, as it did not exist until 1845.Icewhiz (talk) 17:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  These guys got confused too: "Joseph+N.+Barney"+navy&dq="Joseph+N.+Barney"+navy&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y but they have him entering the academy in 1835 and graduating in 1841, which I am pretty sure is wrong from the naval register and mentions as a midshipman on "Joseph+N.+Barney"+navy&dq="Joseph+N.+Barney"+navy&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y on USS Potomac (1822) in 1836. I might reconstruct some of the service record from the register and some articles from the pre war period (from ship visits).Icewhiz (talk) 18:03, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States Naval Academy in 1832?! It was established in 1845 

message: I'm leaving this for someone else as fair use and lapsed copyright is beyond me. There is a photograph, which can be seen here -  and here - . It is possible this is from a book (e.g. ) or a period newspaper.Icewhiz (talk) 06:03, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: And better here (full length pic - which has been cropped for a face shot above) - .Icewhiz (talk) 06:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  And seems this may be from here - CSS Florida with crew members.Icewhiz (talk) 06:10, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added since it seems easy (? we'll see) to add lapsed copyright photos.Icewhiz (talk) 05:51, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph 

message: - I know this is a bit odd - but I did this after seeing confusion in the sources. Some multiple sources refer to Joseph N Barney as a commodore e.g. - , and others refer to Commodore Joshua Barney as Joseph -  . I believe this may be since USS Commodore Barney (1859) - a ship which only served during the civil war - and was stationed in Hampton Roads - overlapping years JN Barney's participation n the famous Hampton Roads battle. The ship name is also confusing by itself - without the prefixing USS it can be mistaken for a person (e.g. "the commodore Barney left Hampton Roads for parts unknown" - could refer both to the ship and to a human commodore Barney). Some of the source confusion on this dates back more than 100 years (and it repeated in modern sources as well - e.g. the examples above are from 2010, 2014, and 1910).Icewhiz (talk) 05:26, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  USS Commodore Barney (1859) hatnote 

message: I added this not because it was named for the grandfather (there are a number of such ships through the years) - but since this was a year following his death with his immediate family in attendance, and his daughter sponsoring the ship. There were multiple other Josuha Barney great-grandkids that could have been chosen (as may be seen here ) - the fact that the family of former US-Navy turned Confederate was, is of note. JN Barney is mentioned in the source (which is how I got to it) - Ships of the United States Navy and Their Sponsors 1797-1913, 1913, Edith Wallace Benham and Anne Martin HallIcewhiz (talk) 05:33, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[USS Barney (TB-25)]] - launch in 1900