Talk:Brat Pack

message: This is a brat pack movie, no?90.134.56.2 (talk) 19:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because it starred only one "official" Brat Packer, Andrew McCarthy. If Robert Downey Jr. and James Spader get added to the list through a reliable source, then this movie should be added. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 21:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Less Than Zero 

message: I found this here: http://www.thebratpacksite.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=19b5b2573024a6cd5f158df7aeeb55e1&topic=89.0
Say Anthing...
She's Having a Baby.
Young Guns
Young Guns II
The Three Musketeers
Flatliners
A Few Good Men90.134.56.2 (talk) 19:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that the area of the site you referenced is the forum, which is typically not considered a reliable source for an encyclopedia.  Further, the particular post that you linked to is posed as a question about the inclusion of these movies, which is no reason at all to consider them for inclusion in the article. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 20:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maybe movies 

message: I have always understood that this movie contained the `core' brat packers? Rob Lowe is in it and so is Eilio Estevez. But what about: Tom Cruise, Ralph Machio, Patrick Swayze, Matt Dillon, etc?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.144.25 (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tom Cruise and Matt Dillon are already mentioned in this article. However, none of them meet the commonly accepted definition of "Brat Packers".  Please feel free to work into the article any sourced information you have which identifies them with the Brat Pack. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 20:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tom Cruise is said in the article to have been in "Taps" along with Hutton and didn't appear with core Pack members in any other movies. This is obviously misinformation as Cruise worked with both Emilio Estivez and Rob Lowe in "The Outsiders". 216.208.243.154 (talk) 21:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: What about the movie `The Outsiders'?

message: I can see that a lot of work has been done to bring this article in alignment with Wikipedia policies.  I have archived all of the pre-2008 discussion, but thought it might be valuable to keep a list of all the suggested additions of names and movies so we don't have to go through all of the  "what about so-and-so?" arguments again. HokieRNB (talk) 18:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to add another category of actors who are cited in the New York Magazine article, but are not listed in this article.  They include: Timothy Hutton and Nicolas Cage on the primary list, and Matthew Modine and Kevin Bacon on the "not quite" list. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 18:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on this source (), I'm moving Jon Cryer from the "not mentioned" to the "close contributors".  It also mentions Christian Slater, so add him to the list of "cited but not mentioned" with Hutton and Cage. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 19:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good work

message: *Diane Lane
*Melissa Gilbert
*Andie MacDowell
*Judge Reinhold
*Elizabeth Perkins
*Alan Ruck
:I'd like to add another category of actors who are cited in the New York Magazine article, but are not listed in this article.  They include: Timothy Hutton and Nicolas Cage on the primary list, and Matthew Modine and Kevin Bacon on the "not quite" list. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 18:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on this source (), I'm moving Jon Cryer from the "not mentioned" to the "close contributors".  It also mentions Christian Slater, so add him to the list of "cited but not mentioned" with Hutton and Cage. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 19:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Actors not cited by any reliable source and thus not mentioned

message: I removed the following paragraph that was added on 7/25/2008.  Not only does it have no source to back it up, but it is hopelessly riddled with grammar, spelling, and logical errors. I will gladly add back in the fact that Hutton, Penn, Cryer, and Cruise were the actors originally dubbed "The Brat Pack" if someone can find a source saying that. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 19:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content removed 

message: Is it worth mentioning that no Brat Pack films/members have ever been nominated for (much less won)an Academy Award or Golden Globe (in motion pictures categories)?  The only two quasi-major awards (Young Artists Awards) among the whole bunch are C. Thomas Howell (for The Outsiders) and Molly Ringwald (for Sixteen Candles), unless you count Razzies.  Does this stray into original research? Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 20:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recognition 

message: I wonder if Red Dawn (1984) could/should be included on the 'Other' list as it featured two members (Swayze and Sheen) and, albiet under wartime circumstances, did depict a "coming of age."  75.142.145.1 (talk) 23:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither Swayze nor Sheen are considered core members of the Brat Pack. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 12:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I've added Red Dawn and Ferris Bueller in the section on other movies, based on citations I was able to find which included them. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 14:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Dawn 

message: I understand its not a film, but if Emilio Estevez guest stars in the show would that make it somehow related to the Brat Pack? You would have a core member(Emilio Estevez) and multiple close contributors. Additionally, should we mention if there are any other television shows that have a brat pack connection?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.231.6.69 (talk) 14:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two and A Half Men 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:St elmo's fire.jpg

message: Adding anyone to the article who hasn't been cited as being associated with the Brat Pack would be considered original research.  It would seem that Jon Cryer, Robert Downey Jr., and James Spader
are reasonable to consider on what could be called the "auxilliary" list, based on this definition from AOL's moviefone: "the casts of 'The Breakfast Club' and 'St. Elmo's Fire,' plus a few friends".
:What about Kiefer Sutherland or Alan Ruck? If Matthew Broderick is considered a member because of association, then I think these two should be as well. Alan Ruck was in Ferris Bueller's Day Off and Young Guns II. -Shawn Crapo 14:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sutherland is already included in the article.  Ruck should only be added if properly cited, i.e. a reliable source places him in the brat pack. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about? 

message: This phrase, in the opening patagraph, is problematic in several ways.
1.  The original New York article uses the phrase "...you can't quite keep (them) straight..." meaning people have trouble remembering which is which.  "Roughly interchageable..." implies that they are all about the same, or that any of them could play any of the roles.  Very different.  And wrong.
2.  It is ambiguous in that you can't tell whether this judgement is to be attributed to the author or to New York magazine.
3.  It appears to be an opinion or value judgement, but presented as a fact.
I'm not sure how the phrasing could be changed.  But it should be addressed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frodosfoot (talk • contribs) 19:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...roughly interchangeable..." 

message: funny enough, bike snob nyc just promoted that movie to 'brat pack' status on his blog.. but i am not an expert on these matters... anyone ???
:Clearly not a reliable source, and not worth mentioning in the article. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 12:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  weekend at bernie's 

message: One movie unmentioned with two Brat Packers is For Keeps. Also The Pickup Artist was close.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.245.24.212 (talk) 00:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For Keeps doesn't star any brat packers other than Ringwald. The Pick-up Artist is already listed. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 13:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 More 

message: Why is Ghost listed as an "almost" movie? Yes, it had Moore and Swayze, but there was nothing "coming of age" about it, as both actors were well beyond their teens by then. Nor is it an "1980s" film. If all that matters is that Moore starred with a "close contributor" in a film, why not list A Few Good Men? --12.106.209.61 (talk) 14:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this came from the misconception that since a century or millennium technically starts in year 1 rather than year 0, then so must decades.  Thus many wrongfully assume that 1990 is technically the last year of the decade which began in 1981.  However, in general usage, the term eighties most often applies to all the years from 1980 through 1989.  If there is no further objection, all the references to 1990 should be removed. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 16:47, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As discussed above, I have removed Ghost from the list. <B>Warren</B> (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghost 

message: Should be Footloose (1984 film) part of this list? --bender235 (talk) 12:44, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the movie have one single core Brat Pack member? (No.)  Does it have multiple close contributors? (No.) Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 11:19, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footloose 

message: The term "Brat Pack" in this article is bound to a group of starring actors in The Breakfast Club and St. Elmo's Fire. The article should be written about the group of actors that made up the party scene together; the movie roles themselves should be subordinate to the off-screen happenings. The article should tell us WHO were/are the brats instead of anointing core members. Tell us what movies were dubbed "Brat Pack" movies and the actors of the "Brat Pack" in 'em. This was not an exclusive club, membership should not be narrowly defined as it is currently. Membership should defined by the group of these actors and actresses that made up the 80's Hollywood scene as a whole. So please someone make the article broader.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.5.241.139 (talk) 11:47, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narrow Article? 

message: User:Softlavender has recently been reverting my edits (), in which I have added sources to the Filmography table. The information that I have changed is all sourced, as I have already pointed out in a couple of edit summaries. The version that is being reverted to is completely unsourced. As far as the images go, I believe that they improve the article; one other user in a GA review here also stated this. Ultimately, though, the images are not important, it's really the deletion of reliable sources that is the problem. Any thoughts on this? - PM800 (talk) 06:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See below: Removal of an entire column of information from the article's chart. Softlavender (talk) 09:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of references 

message: User:PM800 has removed an entire column of information from the article's filmography chart. His first edit was to remove an entire column of the article's chart, without notice or explanation: , apparently in order to make room for seven images which the article is too short to have room for. He then undid my restoration of the material he deleted and in the same edit added references to the chart which are completely unnecessary (the film titles are already all wikilinked and easily verifiable, charts like this never have references on the titles, and the refs lengthen the chart and look bad): . He then undid my restoration again, calling it "revert deletion of references": . And when I explained to him on his Talk page how to use the gallery image format to solve the problem  and reminded him of that on my edit summary which again restored the info he had deleted, he posted a 3RR warning on my Talk page  and deleted the chart column again: . I vote that we move to solve this problem and restore the information (an entire column of information) that he has deleted from the chart. Softlavender (talk) 09:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored the chart with the information on close contributors, which seems infinitely more valuable as information than the multitude of links to allmovie. I also moved the images to a gallery, which makes the layout much more manageable.  I also deleted the link to the non-existent "new brat pack". The casts don't really require citations, since the information is easily referenced by following the wikilinks. Those individual movie articles should be referenced, but here it just seems excessive. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 01:03, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of an entire column of the chart

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thread_title:  Requested move 28 December 2018 

message: The "brat pack" is also the unlikely centre of a cultural/legal phenomenon recently surfaced to the political debate:
* https://www.wired.com/story/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dancing-video/
* https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190104/12443041332/copyright-culture-sharing-remix-congresswoman-dancing-as-college-student.shtml
This is relevant to multiple articles, mostly remix culture and related ones, so I'm not adding it to the "Legacy" section here yet: opinions? Nemo 11:31, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 music video remakes and remixes 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Brat Pack disambiguation. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  DannyS712 (talk) 01:05, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Brat Pack disambiguation" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Seems someone decided to have a bit of satirical fun with this section, sliding in lines like
::Anthony Michael Hall eventually overcame his geeky persona by starring as Bill Gates
Very clever, but is it needed?Robbmonster (talk) 09:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  later acting careers 

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