Talk:Copts/Archive 1

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::Some Egyptian Christians claim exclusive, direct ancestry from the Egyptians of Pharaonic times, while claiming that Muslim Egyptians are descended from invaders from the Arabian Peninsula. However, most modern Egyptian are the descendants of the original Egyptians.
But isn't it virtually certain that most modern Egyptians, regardless of whether Muslim, Christian, or other, have ancestors among both Arabians and ancient Copts? Michael Hardy 03:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, what can we say except that sectarian conflicts find the most trivial of ideas hard to grasp! Someone has removed that paragraph as a pretence to instate the opposite claim. --Alif 00:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Well, too, Alif, it is not really "most trivial". We know almost nothing about the historical ethnicity of modern Egyptians. And nothing is certain in here, especially virtually! The "most modern Egyptians are the descendants of the original Egyptians." is based on nothing, and I can't allow myself even of considering it an original research; it is no research at all. __Maysara 07:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Descent

message: I have re-updated that section I initially added to reflect that it is not conclusive as to the origin of the Copts. The claim above is correct that most Egyptians decend from the original native inhabitants; my update reflects this, but that certain communities tend to reflect more closely the indigenous inhabitants, although most individuals in Egypt are of multiple backgrounds. I've done research providing the opinion of at least one Egyptologists who claims that the Copts immigrated to Egypt during the early 4th Century; the article reflects this as an opinion of an individual and not as fact. Also, I have cited another source which claims that Copts are not ethnically distinct from other Egyptians, which means that if the previous claim is true, than the Copts have become genetically absorbed into the general population. 
Please do not remove the section. If you want to better a Neutral POV voice, go ahead, but please do not completely cut the section as it expresses the fact that an indigeous idenitity of Copts is BY NO MEANS conclusive.Herikaius 05:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I will have to remove it because there are simply too many problems with the section you added and your claims above. Briefly, there is really no way to know how "most Westerners" view Egyptians, or to verify the random percentages that you gave. The idea that Copts are descended from Greek immigrants is not based on verfiable facts. The person on whom you base some of your ideas is not an actual Egyptologist, but someone who claims to practice "independent Egyptology." Most importantly, your statement above that you provided this information "as an opinion of an individual and not as fact" is precisely why it does not belong in the article or anywhere else in Wikipedia: WP:NOR and WP:V — [ziʔɾɪdəʰ] 06:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Identity as Native Egyptians section

message: I'm really amazed by this "usage" section.
I want to clear some things out.
The word "Copt" was initially used to refer to the people of Egypt before the Arab Conquest, that is, the Egyptians who may or may have not mixed with the Greeks/Romans (many of them did).
Muslims, however, are not in this group. Muslims descend from Egyptians, Arabs and Turks. It is ridiculous to refer to Muslims as "Copts", except for those who recently converted to Islam.
Indeed, most early Muslim writers referred to the Egyptians who converted to Islam as "Copts" just as the Christians. However, they quickly stopped using this term because almost all Copts who converted to Islam have immediately intermarried with Arabs, and their descendents no longer identify themselves as “Copts”. It is a known fact that the conversion to Islam in Egypt was via intermarriage, and this is true even for today. 
Therefore, the "Coptic Muslim" label can only be applied to the Copts who converted to Islam "recently", and not those who have already intermarried with Arabs or other Muslim foreigners.
The Egyptian nationalists’ argument is also very weak. Although there are Egyptian nationalists who prefer to use the word "Copt", there are far more “nationalists” who completely reject it and prefer the word "Arab". In fact, if you called an average Muslim in Egypt today a "Copt", he will take it as an insult. Quoting Morcus Semika Pasha also doesn't help at all in supporting the argument; there are many other Coptic Pashas who said just the opposite.
Therefore, I highly recommend removing this section, and leaving the term “Copt” to refer to the Christians Egyptians, period. If anyone wants to add anything related to ethnicity, then you could mention that it refers to the pre-Islamic Egyptians whether they were Ethnic Egyptians or Greco-Egyptians.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.114.163.166  (talk • contribs) 01:21, 1 February 2006 .
:The statement that "almost all Copts who converted to Islam have immediately intermarried with Arabs" is utter nonsense; that's the kind of thing that you cannot back up with any verifiable facts. And your argument that many "Egyptian nationalists" prefer to be labeled as "Arab" (sic) is not correct either! Egyptian nationalism, both contemporary and pre-1952, is the antithesis of what you're suggesting. Arabism is a question that Egypt contended with for more than a century, and in fact I've heard many, many Muslim Egyptians who reject it. 
:Whatever edits made to the article need to be based on verifiable facts, not Coptic nationalist sentiment. Interestingly, this is what another encyclopedic entry on the Copts looks like . Notice it states, "Copts are not ethnically distinct from other Egyptians". — Zerida 16:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Usage" section 

message: The Copts have no women?  How have they survived so long?  Fishal (talk) 19:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Collage

message: Any particular reason why issues of ethnicity have not been discussed? --Relata refero (disp.) 12:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the above comment. I think you should add a paragraph about Mesraym Ham being the father of Egyptians and where his sons and grandsons settled. You can reference Genesis. It also clarifies why Egyptians cannot be Arabs as Arabs claim to be the grandchildren of Sam and not Ham. At the same time it clarifies why Mesr is a more accurate name than Egypt. Kvft (talk) 14:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic self-definition 

message: By undermining the process of conversion in the other direction, Egypt effectively undermines the secularity of the state. Each Egyptian has to wear ID cards with their religion stated what about people who don't have any religion? I hope Egypt will get better soon!Domsta333 (talk) 12:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: the coptics trace their apostolic tradition to St. Mark, whose remains they believe are housed in the cathedral in Cairo, sorry I do not know how to edit wikipedia and am not citing anything but ask a copt...it's St Mark, in the icons he always has a lion and the light house of Alexandria.
http://www.copticchurch.net/topics/thecopticchurch/church1.html
-above edited to remove ref tags by Jubilee♫clipman 20:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Founder

message: This site: [Egypt] about one clash in Egypt, in 2009.Agre22 (talk) 17:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Muslims and Copts clashed in southern Egypt

message: Hello everyone, there has been a debate and deletion of the image provided here as the Coptic church flag; the authenticity of this flag is being challenged. Please, if anyone can provide a reliable source for this image as the Coptic church flag, please republish the image with the source. If there is no such source, then the File:Copts.jpg should be deleted as such. Thank you very much, Maysara (talk) 17:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coptic church flag?? 

message: I've been writing some articles on militant and/or self-defense organisations of religious minorities, and am trying to track down reputable sources on such organisations of Copts.  Unfortunately, I'm finding only vague references to Pope Shenouda having been accused of forming Coptic militias, and some quotes from an Ikhwan leaflet accusing "Nazarean militia" of attacking Muslims.  If anyone has verifiable info on the subject, or even official names of such groups to Google up, I'd like to get some Wikipedia articles going for the subject.   Thanks for any info.  MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:48, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material for article on Coptic militias in Egypt? 

message: Please make a valid argument against The Pew forum that states that Muslims in Egypt number 95% of the population, i.e., making Copts 5% or less.  Also, please provide a reliable source for your number of Copts ranging between 15-20%, contrary to what all the other reliable sources say.  Also, please explain how http://www.copt.net is a news source....  Is it Reuters, The Associated Press, the New York Times or similar?  -Medjool (talk) 07:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, your source does NOT say 5%, as you claimed on the page. Second of all, this is a report about recent attacks on Copts, NOT an official report about the number of Copts in Egypt. If you want to talk numbers, bring forth declarations from credible sources. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ[talk] 03:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

text: how can you be so blatantly contradictory "AFP is usually a reliable source for whatever it's talking about"?? your claim that "It is NOT a reliable source when it just copies and pastes the percentage of Copts in Egypt from other websites" is unsubstantiated skepticism driven by ulterior motives- in my opinion. so AFP is usually reliable, however, you seem to definitely know that in the copts percentage they have carelessly copy and pasted data!!!?? how did you come to know this fact with such solid certainty. did you investigate how they derived these numbers?? did you talk with the reporter who composed it???? of course you did not!!! therefore, i believe you should be careful before you wantonly throw around personal opinions or excuses as facts. your antagonism to including the whole spectrum of percentages is unbelieveable. i have tried to be as reasonable and accomodating as is possible. do you have so much hope invested in the belief that your percentages could be at least 10% greater than quoted minimums??? if that is the case, then unfortunately i am dealing with a psychological issue- and not an issue to do with reporting to the most accurate standards as wikipedia demands. how sad and unfortunate.Artefactual (talk) 07:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

text: i agree with User:TransporterMan that for the meantime  "represent 20% or less of a population" should be added until there is further consensus. i will personally make the edit- as User:TransporterMan has suggested.Artefactual (talk) 23:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm fine with this compromise for now. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ[talk] 04:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Both editors are to be commended for taking a step back and seeking compromise. Best of luck to both of you. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coptic percentages in Egypt

message: Wikipedia:3RR#Application_of_3RR says, in pertinent part, 3RR is a bright line where action now becomes almost certain if not already taken. It is not an 'entitlement' to revert a page a specific number of times. Administrators can and will still take action on disruptive editors for edit warring even if it does not violate 3RR.This war has been going on since March 14 with something like 18–20 reverts each by  and   I will report both editors to WP:ANEW and/or ask that the page be fully protected against further editing if it continues by either editor after this moment. Let me suggest that the page be neutralized to say "represent 20% or less of a population" until this dispute can be worked out here on the talk page. I'll make that change if both parties agree to it, or either of them can make it. — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 16:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: i agree with User:TransporterMan that for the meantime  "represent 20% or less of a population" should be added until there is further consensus. i will personally make the edit- as User:TransporterMan has suggested.Artefactual (talk) 23:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm fine with this compromise for now. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ[talk] 04:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Both editors are to be commended for taking a step back and seeking compromise. Best of luck to both of you. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 12:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop the Edit War 

message: I have just made a correction since 5%-20% of 80 million constitute 4-16 million and not 12-16. I personally think that the 9% given by the CIA world factbook is pretty accurate and it should be sufficient.
Also the figures given for Copts in the US are highly inaccurate imho. check the official 2009 U.S. Census Bureau estimates which puts the total number of all Egyptians just under 200,000. Rafy talk 12:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: since we have logged-out users revert-warring without bothering to use the talkpage, I'll try semiprotection. We can improve the population estimate, but that won't happen by simply reverting to the figure you like best. --dab (𒁳) 10:27, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population in Egypt and the US 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:Boutros Boutros-Ghali.jpg

message: Please remove or repair stray "</ref>" tag appearing twice in section entitled "Name"
24.12.121.110 (talk) 14:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Thank you for pointing this out! Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 24.12.121.110, 10 March 2011 

message: Under 'The Arab-Muslim Invasion of Egypt' the final paragraph reports that Copts performed brutal castration operations on black African slaves. 
This information does not belong under this heading imho, and I think its inclusion is biased.
The sources cited are all from the end of the 19th/beginning of the 20th century. There is a 2002 source listed, but it is in a book which reproduces a text from the 1800s. The lack of contemporary research supporting the idea that Copts produced eunuchs for the slave trade this casts doubt on these sources. 
The tone of the paragraph also seems biased. The sentence "During the operation, the Coptic clergyman chained the boys to tables and after slicing their sexual organs off, stuck a piece of bamboo into the genital area, then submerged them in neck high sand to burn" seems more concerned with sensationally disparaging copts than reporting historical facts. It is unclear why bamboo would be placed in the genitals (the 2002 book reports a piece of steel being placed in the urethra to allow urine flow) while it is not clear what the bit about being put in sand to burn means.  
I recommend this paragraph be deleted or, if contemporary sources can be found to support it, rewritten to have a more neutral tone and put under a new heading such as 'Coptic involvment in the North African Slave Trade'.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.222.173.116 (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes that stuff doesn't belong to an article about an ethnic group. You can't just stuff this article with whatever you find about Copts.--Rafy talk 11:58, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slave Tradea and Eunuch Production 

message: this article is written by extremist and miss neutrality , he is talking about strange things like elimination of copts!!.
All egyptians suffer from human rights violation not only copts! and also he is citing with individual accidents made by a minor extermist from both sides "muslim and copts" to claim that copts suffer in Egypt.
I suspect that the author didn't even visit Egypt before , as if he was talking about another country!
This article need for a complete reconstructing and citing with moderate references not only extermist references!.  3d vector (talk)
:To what exactly are you referring? ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 12:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly the article was talking about another Egypt, and still needs more changes « PuTTYSchOOL 11:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless those changes are actually specified, then I'm afraid you'll have to make do with what you've got. Additions should be made carefully and aren't something that you could just copy'n paste (like cut&paste moves or taking things directly from copyrighted material). ~ Troy (talk) 23:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article completely miss neutrality 

message: The "The Arab-Muslim Invasion of Egypt" needs some serious changes. There are a lot of groundless claims and not any citations/sources. I will remove all the nonsense unless I see sources. UnbiasedNeutral (talk) 00:45, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Note:  The above editor is subject (at the moment) to an indef block.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:24, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arab persecution ? 

message: Instead of "native Egyptian Christians" how about just "native Egyptians". This would be more accurate, and also in the next sentence it says that they are a major enthoreligious group which would suggest that they are Christians. 
TalentTrekNashville (talk) 09:27, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Bryce (talk | contribs) 02:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 1 January 2012 

message: Where I get population of copts by Governorates of Egypet?--Kaiyr (talk) 11:25, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  population by Governorates 

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message: Some Egyptian Jews did emigrate, as the article states. Most were simply deported by the Nasser regime, their property confiscated. 70.181.108.157 (talk) 22:48, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jews didn't merely "Emigrate" 

message: The recently created article Copts (ethnic group) seems to duplicate some content from Copts and to be unduly focused on genetic studies. I'm not sure the subjects of the two articles are distinct, and a creative merger and/or retitling may be warranted. I'll defer decision to editors more familiar with the subjects. --Animalparty-- (talk) 06:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article: [[Copts (ethnic group)]]. a valid split? 

message: Can someone see if you can link to this orphaned article? Maybe add it to the template? Thanks Gbawden (talk) 07:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Copts (ethnic group)]] 

message: Hi Editors,
About the above note regarding the article Copts (ethnic group) I suggest to remove the ethnic character from this 
one in the phrase "a major ethnoreligious group in Egypt". The article traces the timeline of Christianity in Egypt and Christian Egyptians in diaspora, I do not see an ethnic side of it.
Moreover, the citation approved for the mentioned phrase (#13) states the exact opposite. I quote from the source:
"Copts contend that they are not a cultural or ethnic minority but Egyptians whose ancestors embraced Christianity in the first century" End of quotation
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/12/world/us-bill-has-egypt-s-copts-squirming.html
Keeping this information would give an impression, unlike the reality, that Muslim and Christian Egyptians have different ancestors. Such an information needs a more powerful and reliable source (scientific survey, ethnic study,...)
88.175.64.169 (talk) 15:07, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. — LeoFrank  Talk 06:41, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request for the "ethnic" characterization  

message: What is the evidence for the assertion that the Copts are an "ethnoreligious group"? They are a religious minority, ethnically no different to other Egyptians. Unless some evidence can be provided for this assertion, it should be deleted. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 11:06, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: ethnoreligious group

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Aekupp (talk) 21:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 06:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2015 

message: This edit, added on August 2013, is not backed by the source respectively a POV view. The part about Nasser was cited first but some parts then removed and new ones added in that edit. The last section added is POV. Saying that the Muslim Brotherhood "launched murderous assaults" etc. needs better backup. --IRISZOOM (talk) 06:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nasser' and MB's policies 

message: Can we have a source for the use of the word "Copt" to describe Egyptian Protestants? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 02:05, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Coptic Protestants?

message: The picture at the top of the article does not depict Copts. Those are either Ethiopians/Eritreans who follow a similar sect of Christianity but are not ethnically Copts. Please change it.
--Pharoh123 (talk) 22:20, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: .--Kathovo talk 22:35, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did not restore the picture (we should ping the user who did), but think it could go either way, esp. if the Copts are from Upper (southern) Egypt. However we should check the source. Where is the picture from? Steeletrap (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copts picture 

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message: Source [24] contains nothing to back the part that cites it on the Christians being a majority between 400 to 800 CE.
Mrs340 (talk) 15:10, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see it being used to back up such a statement, but when I went to look for the source I cannot find it at all. No such article exists in either the first or second issue of the journal, volume, and year being cited.  I'm removing it entirely. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  19:56, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the statement and source you were referring to. I agree that the source does not support the statement. I've removed it. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  20:02, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2016 

message: They are not Scholars so don't reference them, if they can't even take Egypt. Egypt is too much for them, they are not Scholars.. cite Herodotus instead. He gives Greek-Egyptian God & mythology parallels. Book II of Histories. Zeus-Ammon, and more enumerated (braches or whatnot of) mythology parallels than Zeus-Ammon too. Also, if you look up mythology, you'll see that Poseidon's mom is Memphis, so... clean your shoes before you write about the Copts.
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message: copts are in Africa not in the middle east 173.54.6.165 (talk) 23:09, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  —  IVORK Discuss 23:36, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: 173.54.6.165 (talk) 23:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: See Middle East. While you're right that Egypt is in Africa, it's also part of the Middle East Cannolis (talk) 02:52, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: 47.23.75.122 (talk) 18:48, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: With 15 million people, is there a Coptic Wikipedia?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:31, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: [Congrefs of The United States of America'./https://g.co/kgs/MQmDkC'!|Congrefs of The United States of America'.]
To:Gen.Douglas McArthurs' Right of Passage:Emlin Erojo Nabua.Thank you for your Last Will Testimony:Emlin Ong Nabua.
: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 23:45, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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message: Please add to the Prominent Copts list: 
Nader Anise, Egyptian-American founder of Coptic American Chamber of Commerce (Coptic Chamber) and attorney
23.161.192.105 (talk) 01:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
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message: please edit the link 38 - dead link 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copts#cite_ref-38
to 
https://saf-egypt.com/ Esraasheta (talk) 10:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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message: Pls revert this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Copts&diff=prev&oldid=927870067
The editor has made unsourced changes and broken the last sentence in the first para. I also suggest reviewing their subsequent edits.
Thanks 121.44.62.246 (talk) 12:43, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done (just this article) Johnbod (talk) 14:32, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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message: The section "Copts in modern Sudan" needs to be updated. The government of Omar al-Bashir fell in the Sudanese Revolution of 2019, and a Coptic woman now serves in the new Transitional Military Council. 
SOURCE: Women take prominent place in Sudanese politics as Abdalla Hamdok names cabinet
86.169.239.193 (talk) 17:37, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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message: "Forbid from" is not only correct usage, it is accepted by many dictionaries. I do not see a point in fighting this, but I just thought you should know.  Elizium23 (talk) 18:36, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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message: THIS IS THE INITIAL PARAGRAPH: "Copts of Egyptian ancestry maintain a distinct ethnic identity from Muslim Egyptians, with some of them rejecting an Arab identity. Genetically, Copts are a distinct population, albeit more closely related to the Muslims of Egypt than to any other population.[26] Like other Egyptians, Copts are a diverse population, with considerable genetic, ethnic, and cultural differences persisting between Copts from Lower and Upper Egypt." 
IT NEEDS TO BE EDITED BECAUSE THIS STATEMENT PRESENTED AS FACT IS PURELY NOT TRUE, AND DEEMS TO FIT A NARRATIVE NOT CONSISTENT WITH MOST COPTIC VIEWS: 
"Copts of Egyptian ancestry maintain a distinct ethnic identity from Muslim Egyptians, with THE MAJORITY rejecting an Arab identity. Genetically, Copts are a distinct population FROM Muslims of Egypt. (https://egyptianmuseum.org/explore/coptic-period-overview )  Like other Egyptians, Copts are a diverse population, with considerable genetic, ethnic, and cultural differences persisting between Copts from Lower and Upper Egypt." 
SOURCES: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/archaeology-and-history/magazine/2019/03-04/coptic-christianity-ancient-egypt/ Meagan chick7 (talk) 03:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Meagan. I would suggest that you calm down a little bit and discuss rationally about your requests to modify this article. Please build some consensus rather than demanding evidence/changes; and try not to write in all-caps because it is rather painful for us to read all that. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 03:59, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

text: .  The statement in the lead is already better-sourced than what you have given.  Moreover, there's no "narrative" here; it's just talking about genetic relationships.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 04:13, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Hello Deacon :Hello Elizium23. I have to agree with Meagan. The sources offered to support the statement as it stands are being offered in a very misleading way. CessnaMan1989 (talk) 00:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The source from "The Journal of Economic History" quite literally mentiones the statement in question here. The other sources indicate the same idea with different styles. MohamedTalk 12:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Which statement are you talking about? In my comments above in this talk page, I was referring to Megan's comments. It sounds like you're referring to statements regarding the "mostly descendants of the pre-641 Coptic population" statement that I previously removed. For that statement, we should discuss it in another section because there are many genetic studies on the subject. CessnaMan1989 (talk) 01:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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message: The Dobon study, an actual genetic study, states that "They[Copts] are known to be the most ancient population of Egypt" and supports that with the genetic findings already mentioned in the article. While this does not necessarily contradict the statement in the introduction that both Copts and Modern Egyptians are "mostly descendants of the pre-641 Coptic population," it certainly needs to be harmonized with it. It's possible that both Copts and Modern Egyptians are mainly descended from the pre 641 population in spite of genetic differences between the populations, but the article needs to state that for clarity. When I edited this statement out, it was unrelated to my views on Megan's comment, which concerned a totally different part of the article even though both of my opinions on those respective matters related to interpretation of the sources. I should have been clearer about why I took that clause out. The Eliot Dickinson book, "Copts in Michigan", at page 1941, says "Egyptian Muslims may legitimately claim to be the descendents[sic] of the Ancient Egyptians..." That does not mean that Dickinson is claiming Modern Egyptians are predominately descended from the pre-641 population. What reference does he cite at footnote 15? I don't see where the Refworld article says anything about the ancestry of Modern Egyptians that imply predominant descent from the pre-641 population. One of the sources does mention the statement cited, and I didn't see that previously, but it is not a genetic study. None of the sources cited are genetic studies for that statement and that is an issue. Given the Doban study, which is an actual genetic study, and the Schuenemann study from 2017(https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=3_nsn6445_deeplink_PID100062364&utm_content=deeplink), this statement should be either explained further or taken out. CessnaMan1989 (talk) 01:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: But They are indeed "physically indistinguishable" and at the same time derive from the same ancestors, the sources cited in the article confirm both, so I don't think the comparisons you made are relevant. Also, I don't see the relation between the origin of ancient Egyptians and the statement mentioned in the article. They are supposed to have originated from Eurasian back migration and from the Sahara and maybe East Africa. What does that have to do with Copts and their identity that only emerged in the Roman and Muslim era (to refer to all Egyptians at first and then only to christians that didn't convert)? The Hollfelder study and other genetic sources can be added to the list of sources to the statement. Multiple reliable sources in the article confirm the statement either literally or with a different style, it isn't vague at all. To give this part a separate paragraph would be giving it too much weight in my opinion, while there is hardly any info on Coptic history and culture for example. I'm talking about the lead here, if you mean a section in the article itself, there already is a section on genetics, but maybe a section on identity and Coptic-Muslim relations could be added. MohamedTalk 22:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
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message: Coptic is still spoken by several families in Cairo and it should be added to the infobox, to the language section, where it says that Coptic is liturgical and ancestral. There should also be added that Coptic is still, colloquially, spoken. 
Source: <https://wwww.dailynewssegypt.com/2005/12/10/coptic-languages-last-survivors/ [89.210.119.61] [] 11:21, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
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message: In the third paragraph of this page, please change circumistances to circumstances. It's a spelling error. BeeGhoul (talk) 14:27, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: melecie   t 14:39, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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message: Footnote 90 "Compass Direct News. Church Building Regulations Eased" is a dead link. BeeGhoul (talk) 02:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Replaced dead archive link with one that is live  —twotwofourtysix(My talk page and contributions) 02:59, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
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replies: text: It looks fine and beautiful on mine. You probably need to download a unicode font, preferably "Athena". --Ⲗⲁⲛⲧⲉⲣⲛⲓⲝ[talk] 20:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
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text: I was about to ask this, its not showing up for me either. - Yorkshirian (talk) 09:28, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
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