Talk:Aquinas College, Perth/Archive 3

message: * Brother V I Murphy
* Brother V C McKenna
* Alphonsus Scott
* Mike Kinsella
Some of these people may be worthy of an article, althoug for new articles, i think that the Junior School is looking the best. LeBarn 08:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  People Mentioned In The Article 

message: I have started to cut out the first-party references, whilst also replacing them with verifiable third-party references, which is quite hard. We will need alot of help, and this is going to take a long time. Twenty Years 17:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I think we should try to get a different picture for the sporting section - the redback is a bit out of place. I propose either; A photo of the Churack Pavillion (like Scotch's page) - but that might be a bit off coz we have so many pictures of buildings OR maybe a picture of the PSA Athletics - which is coming up relatively soon - maybe of the Aquinas college crowds there - possibly as the athletes run past. Twenty Years 08:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sport Picture 

message: For the article to maintain its GA status, the logos need detailed fair use rationales. Look to other passed GA/FAs for examples. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions. --Nehrams2020 06:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA comment 

message: I have adjusted many parts of the article, and am adding them in sections (eg. Lead, history etc.) to make it easier for people to see what I’m doing to the article. Im summary I have;
• Changed the style of reference, from the standard format to Cite Book & Cite Web
• Added all of the individual page references to the article
• Changed the references, so that we don’t have 3 or 4 citation marks next to each other, in those cases they have been merged together (per. FA – Hamersley, WA)
• Added the schools colours – in the boxes (per numerous other school articles)
• Added the Australian flag next to the location (per. Eton College)
• Added information about the fees into the lead (per. Caulfield Grammar School – FFA)
• Extended portions of the History section – this is purely on notability
• Added information about the schools governance to the Recent Years section of the article. (to keep it up to date)
• Merged Academic studies into the lead of “Student Life” – there wasn’t much on academic studies, mainly just information on the scholarships (per. Scotch College, Perth)
• Merged Old Aquinians Association into lead of “Student Life” – it wasn’t big enough to support a section on it, and the ToC was getting a tad long. (Per. Automated peer review)
• Added “Arts & Music” section to the article – this is just common sense (per. Scotch College)
• Added “Uniform” section to the article, the schools uniform is quite notable within Western Australia for the students knee-high socks in summer. Also added a quirky image of a junior class in their old straw hats (funning story behind that).
• Added a small list of the schools Rhodes Scholars (all 6 of them) including references. This is located in the Notable Alumni section – might be better placed somewhere else, but I am unsure where.
• Removed section entitled “Associated Schools” which was pretty poor. I added a link in the “See Also” section to the only school mentioned in associated schools, which was Aquinas’ sister school – Santa Maria.
• Removed “Notes” section – the article explains it quite clearly.
• Removed category “Churches In Perth…..” – this belongs on the Aquinas College Chapel page.
• Added a few books to the “Further Reading” section – in the Cite Book Format - 
• Changed a few of the images in the article, which I have added to Commons, all of which are PD-Aust. Also added 2 commons category links to AC, Perth and CBC, Perth in the external links part of the article – there are some quite good images in there.
** If you have any questions, or would like further clarification regarding anything said here, or added to the article. Please contact me via my talk page. Thank you. Twenty Years 14:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  July 10th Edits 

message: Just a note if someone tries to add the school song to the article: it is a copyright violation. If you dont believe me, look at page 18 of Massam. It was written in the 90's by Joseph Stokes, a former parent of Aquinas. Twenty Years 14:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Song 

message: Wikimedia Commons has 2 categories; one for CBC Perth, and another for Aquinas College, Perth. Both have links in the article.Twenty Years 14:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commons Categories 

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thread_title:  Automated Peer Review 

message: First I'll just make a few comments based on a cursory glance. I will follow them with an in depth look at the article, which takes some time.
* The lead will need to be expanded, if you haven't read WP:LEAD do so now.
* The image formatting needs to be reworked. Per the MOS images shouldn't be sized. The exception is the lead image. See the MOS section concerning images. COMPLETED
* The captions are weak.
* I am going to suggest that you consider creating History of Aquinas College, Perth and then summarize that article here and use the  to refer to it. The multiple section breaks seem to imply that considerable expansion could take place and that would be much better suited to a new article utilizing WP:SUMMARY, this may be something to think about as you progress. 
** COMPLETED Summarised it, didnt create the main
* The notable alumni list should be converted to prose, it probably makes sense to integrate these people into the article elsewhere, maybe in the Student life section.
* The Student Life section is long and vaguely defined.
** Cut it down a bit, merged a few bits.
* Not sure about how the three-tier education section is divided up either.
** Kept a little of the info in other bits, del the rest, it was already dealt with in all other section of Student Life. 
* Some of sections need retitled if they are to remain, even in the case they are integrated into a new article better titles could be found. Examples are "Recent years" and "1980-2000", both are weak and redundant one another.
** Fixed, rem history subs
* The reference formatting needs tightened up. References shouldn't be in a "further reading" section, especially if they are footnoted, it's confusing. In general all references need: author (if available), title, publisher, date published (if available), and last date accessed (for web sources)
** Fixed up :)
* As for the images, left alignment shouldn't be used all that often. Again see the MOS section (linked above). COMPLETED
* I saw some short paragraphs, one in the lead, they should be combined somehow.
I will comment on the actual content later. Hope this helps as a starting point. IvoShandor 14:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks alot! I am sleeping now, but i will get to work on it 2morow. Cheers. Twenty Years 14:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, and we can discuss my comments too, some may need some explanation. Good night, I am going to go move my furniture now. : ) Well soon anyway.IvoShandor 14:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note about creation of daughter articles most previously created daughter articles where subject to AfD discussions with the results being merge/delete. I suggest considering that there is too much unnecessary information and that the sections should be reduced to relevant material. 15:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments from Ivo 

message: imho, the image size was fine before. Undo it if you want, but, I do not think I should be :) Talk to symode09's or How's my driving? 13:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry mate, as much as i agree with you, if we are to get this to FA, images need to be like that. Stupid isnt it? See above. Thats what were doing. Twenty Years 13:23, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason for it is that so user prefs work. If you include a size it overrides user prefs, which is especially important for those of not fortunate enough to live in a First World nation. Slower connections take much longer to download large thumbnails than they do smaller ones. That's the only reason for it. IvoShandor 13:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If your internet is that show, you should not be on wikipedia. I have regularly used wikipedia - they are all jpegs and therefore load very fast - should the wikipedia logo be smaller? :p Talk to symode09's or How's my driving? 14:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even many First World people do not have reliable access to broadband - I know quite a few people in Gwelup here in Perth for example who are limited by Telstra to 28.8k dialup (not even 56k). Considering Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia anyone can edit, I don't think we should start artificially limiting based on speed of connection. Orderinchaos 02:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  image size 

message: I finally got around to looking at the maps at SRO, and the acreage doesn't make any sense - article says 62ha (153ac), but I get:
* 74a·3r·20p -  - Loc 37 Lot 18 (Roebuck/Mt Henry/Redmond/river - main college)
* 34a·2r·7p -  - Loc 37 Lot 4 (west to river - playing fields)
* 2a·1r·1p -  - Loc 37 Lot 2 (along the river on the west side of Aquinas Bay - bushland)
* 33a·0r·0p -  - Loc 37 Lot 3 (main part of Mount Henry peninsula - bushland)
(Source: Map F28-4 (503340) and F44-4 (?), translated to Perth 2000:13.16, 14.16, under Cancelled Public Plans)
It would appear from this that the actual area should be , as although the bushland to the southwest is owned by the Christian Brothers, it does not appear to be part of the college. I was quite surprised to note that no reserve was declared for the college, considering this is usually the *first* thing the government does when setting aside land for special purpose (even privately owned land - on the same map, a Catholic school in Como which has since become a retirement village had been set aside and gazetted). Even adding all of the four above produces a result about 9a (3.64ha) short. Orderinchaos 03:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Checked F44-4 today and there are no extra lots. It's been suggested that Aquinas may own neighbouring residential land around Welwyn Avenue, that may account for the difference. Orderinchaos 09:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lot allocations 

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thread_title:  Automated Peer Review - Aug 26 

message: *Combine the short grafs, they break up the flow (especially in the lead and history section).
*Much of the history section could use a rewrite to eliminate the redundancy of about 70 percent of the paragraphs starting with "In 19xx".
Just a couple things I noticed at a glance. Maybe too many sections, maybe not? IvoShandor 21:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, way too many sections for an article of its notibility. --Ali K 22:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Few comments

message: The next time I'm in Battye Library, I must remember to have a look at these two sources:
#Pollard, Robert James. A history of C.B.C. Perth from its beginning to the present Trinity College
#:I rather suspect from the title that Pollard thinks CBC became Trinity.
#Taylor, Greg (1959) The history of the Christian Brothers' College, St. George's Terrace, Perth (1894-1958)
#:Evidently, Taylor thinks the words "Christian Brothers' College" referred to a single, continuous school from 1894 right through to the time of writing.
Hesperian 23:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 3. O'Dea, J.F (1994) "Memories of St. Patrick's College in Perth by former pupil" in Centenary of the Christian Brothers in Western Australia 1894-1994 1(94)
Might be worth a look. Hesperian 23:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

text: A search here reveals some further important sources including the following newly published book:
*Curtis, A. C. (Anthony C.), 1939- Strive manfully : a history of CBC Perth & Trinity College 1894 - 2003 / A.C. Curtis.  East Perth, W.A. : Trinity College, 2007. Edition: 1st ed. Description: 1 v. ISBN: 9780980403114 (hbk.) : ISBN: 9780980403107 (pbk.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dahliarose (talk • contribs) 10:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: === History Section ===
OK, regardless of whether AC was CBC and all of that stuff. The information in the history section regarding CBC is OK to keep? Twenty Years 13:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AC/TC/CBC 

message: OK, regardless of whether AC was CBC and all of that stuff. The information in the history section regarding CBC is OK to keep? Twenty Years 13:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History Section 

message: Is the information in the sporting section OK to keep? Twenty Years 13:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sporting Section 

message: I have tagged the article disputed because of the claim that CBC became Aquinas. As I've said above, this is prima facie false, and therefore requires solid sourcing. I have tagged it totally disputed, because I think this is indicative of a general bias in favour of the school. Hesperian 23:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think all of the issues have been resolved, is it ok to remove the disputed tag?  Twenty Years 12:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed

message: I've added some cite tags as there are still a number of facts which are questionable and possibly misleading. I might have misunderstood but it is very confusing to someone who is unfamiliar with any of these schools. The article states in the sports section (without a reference) "when Aquinas was established in 1938, it took with it all of the sporting records of Christian Brothers' College." From this statement I would guess that Aquinas became responsible for the sporting archives of CBC which is a very different matter to being given permission to claim that all the historic CBC sporting records would henceforth be credited to Aquinas (eg, the later claim that "In 1910 and 1942, Aquinas won every PSA Sporting trophy available". The same applies to the CBC alumni. As it is now apparent that CBC and Aquinas are two different schools any claims that CBC alumni should be credited to Aquinas rather than CBC or Trinity must be backed up with suitable references from reliable sources. Dahliarose 12:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive added citations to all of the information you tagged with fact tags. I have moved all alumni you have placed a fact tag on too. One question: what should be done with Peter Durack, he attended CBC and AC, he graduated from AC though, so i kept him on this page, but he might also be mentioned on CBC (i didnt add him, but he might be noteworth on that page). Twenty Years 12:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine, he attended AC. Hesperian 12:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Frankly, I suspect this claim. Can you tell me exactly what those PSSA minutes say? Do they actually literally say that Aquinas took all of the sporting records of CBC? Or have you extrapolated from a lesser claim? Hesperian 12:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cant tell you exactly what they say word4word, but they do claim that, i can guaruntee that one. Its in the Battye if you want to go and check it up. Twenty Years 12:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe Massam also mentions it, i have easier access to that book, so I may find another ref for it from that book. Twenty Years 12:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you need to check the exact wording of the source from which you derived the statement "When Aquinas was established in 1938 it took with it all of the sporting records and achievements of CBC Perth". It would be best if this substantial claim could be backed up with a second reference. I cannot see how a school which was only named in 1937 can possibly be able to lay claim to a 1910 sporting record of its predecessor school. As I said above, it seems most likely that Aquinas inherited the sporting archives, but a new school can't possibly lay claim to the inherited records of an earlier school and claim them as its own. I would suggest the 1910 claim is removed unless it can be backed up with another reference. Dahliarose 12:47, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, in the eyes of the PSA, Aquinas is CBC. Effectively CBC has no sporting history pre-1938, because Aquinas took it when it left the Duxton site. Twenty Years 13:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is the case you need to back it up with references. Otherwise it is just your point of view or possibly a misleading interpretation of the facts. Dahliarose 13:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is backed up by the 103rd Annual PSA Athletics Guide, and PSSA minutes, which are stated in the article. If that isnt good enough, then what is? Twenty Years 15:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the fact tag placed next to 1910, as the reference backs up the statement. To be forced to cite more than one reference is not only incorrect it is a waste of time. But, maybe you could look at the 102nd Annual PSA Athletics guide, which says the same thing, or ever the 101st Annual PSA Athletics Guide. There it is: 3 references to back it up. Adding a fact tag to that section will now be treated as vandalism, please comment on it below. Twenty Years 15:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Adding a fact tag to that section will now be treated as vandalism" is unhelpful tone in this discussion.  Please retract it as this issue is as yet unresolved.  I understand your frustration in this not being resolved but can you not see the perplexing contradiction between the your sources and the timeline of events.  Possibly the editor of the PSSA guide has used some poetic license.  Or possibly what he/she's saying is true.  Another secondary source is what's needed here. - exceptional claims require exceptional sources. —Moondyne 16:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All i said was that Aquinas took the sporting records of CBC, it is hardly exceptional. But being the person i am, when i get time to have a look at Massam again, i will get the page reference from that. Twenty Years 18:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I do not have access to either records which is why I asked for clarification of the wording. Do these sources confirm that CBC was called Aquinas in 1910 (which is what the current wording of this sentence claims)? Do these sources confirm that Aquinas, a school founded in 1937, is entitled to claim all the historic CBC records as its own. It seems most unlikely. Dahliarose 15:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Here is what it states: It states that Aquinas won all five PSA sports in 1910, and 1942. It says that Aquinas owns all of CBC's PSSA records. Considering that this publication holds alot of historic information regarding the PSA, and this probably being the most noteworthy event, it seems extremely likely, maybe? Twenty Years 15:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I might have a quick look into this tomorrow when I'm in the Battye - they have up to the 79th annual athletic meeting programme (1983) on serial stack, but as this information is historical, it shouldn't make any difference which edition it's in. Trinity's website appears to confirm that Aquinas was carved out of CBC, the CBC continued, was renamed as Trinity in the early 1960s, and Trinity became a PSA member in 1968. The PSA commenced in 1905, the serial stack item will probably list which schools were founding members. Orderinchaos 16:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: "When Aquinas broke away from CBC, it was arranged for CBC's PSA membership to be transferred to Aquinas, with all sporting records intact. Thus, for example, the 1910 achievement of CBC in winning every PSA trophy is attributed to Aquinas within the PSA."
And then straight into the post-1938 material.
Hesperian 05:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Yup, im cool with you adding that in there somehow (i cant figure out a way to do it without making it look dicky. And i agree that this also needs to be discussed in the CBC Article. Although i dont agree with your reasoning, it seems somewhat alright. I have come to the conclusion that Massam was merely trying to repesent AC's view on the topic, afterall she is making the book for Aquinas. Twenty Years 07:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed facts

message: I notice that me re-adding the image got reverted. I know it is of CBC students, but i think that this historical image is fine, because effectively Aquinas took the sporting element of CBC, in that it took all of the trophies. Thoughts? Twenty Years 12:33, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sporting Image 

message: In reply to Dahlia's removal of 1910: "Aquinas took all of the sporting records of CBC", as such Aquinas owns that record. Twenty Years 12:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly, I suspect this claim. Can you tell me exactly what those PSSA minutes say? Do they actually literally say that Aquinas took all of the sporting records of CBC? Or have you extrapolated from a lesser claim? Hesperian 12:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cant tell you exactly what they say word4word, but they do claim that, i can guaruntee that one. Its in the Battye if you want to go and check it up. Twenty Years 12:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe Massam also mentions it, i have easier access to that book, so I may find another ref for it from that book. Twenty Years 12:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you need to check the exact wording of the source from which you derived the statement "When Aquinas was established in 1938 it took with it all of the sporting records and achievements of CBC Perth". It would be best if this substantial claim could be backed up with a second reference. I cannot see how a school which was only named in 1937 can possibly be able to lay claim to a 1910 sporting record of its predecessor school. As I said above, it seems most likely that Aquinas inherited the sporting archives, but a new school can't possibly lay claim to the inherited records of an earlier school and claim them as its own. I would suggest the 1910 claim is removed unless it can be backed up with another reference. Dahliarose 12:47, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, in the eyes of the PSA, Aquinas is CBC. Effectively CBC has no sporting history pre-1938, because Aquinas took it when it left the Duxton site. Twenty Years 13:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is the case you need to back it up with references. Otherwise it is just your point of view or possibly a misleading interpretation of the facts. Dahliarose 13:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is backed up by the 103rd Annual PSA Athletics Guide, and PSSA minutes, which are stated in the article. If that isnt good enough, then what is? Twenty Years 15:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the fact tag placed next to 1910, as the reference backs up the statement. To be forced to cite more than one reference is not only incorrect it is a waste of time. But, maybe you could look at the 102nd Annual PSA Athletics guide, which says the same thing, or ever the 101st Annual PSA Athletics Guide. There it is: 3 references to back it up. Adding a fact tag to that section will now be treated as vandalism, please comment on it below. Twenty Years 15:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Adding a fact tag to that section will now be treated as vandalism" is unhelpful tone in this discussion.  Please retract it as this issue is as yet unresolved.  I understand your frustration in this not being resolved but can you not see the perplexing contradiction between the your sources and the timeline of events.  Possibly the editor of the PSSA guide has used some poetic license.  Or possibly what he/she's saying is true.  Another secondary source is what's needed here. - exceptional claims require exceptional sources. —Moondyne 16:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All i said was that Aquinas took the sporting records of CBC, it is hardly exceptional. But being the person i am, when i get time to have a look at Massam again, i will get the page reference from that. Twenty Years 18:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I do not have access to either records which is why I asked for clarification of the wording. Do these sources confirm that CBC was called Aquinas in 1910 (which is what the current wording of this sentence claims)? Do these sources confirm that Aquinas, a school founded in 1937, is entitled to claim all the historic CBC records as its own. It seems most unlikely. Dahliarose 15:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Here is what it states: It states that Aquinas won all five PSA sports in 1910, and 1942. It says that Aquinas owns all of CBC's PSSA records. Considering that this publication holds alot of historic information regarding the PSA, and this probably being the most noteworthy event, it seems extremely likely, maybe? Twenty Years 15:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I might have a quick look into this tomorrow when I'm in the Battye - they have up to the 79th annual athletic meeting programme (1983) on serial stack, but as this information is historical, it shouldn't make any difference which edition it's in. Trinity's website appears to confirm that Aquinas was carved out of CBC, the CBC continued, was renamed as Trinity in the early 1960s, and Trinity became a PSA member in 1968. The PSA commenced in 1905, the serial stack item will probably list which schools were founding members. Orderinchaos 16:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sport Section 

message: TY, guys, I'm quite prepared to believe that Aquinas took the sporting records of CBC. In fact it makes good sense. Once CBC realised that they had outgrown their grounds and had to split, the next question became how to split the student body. Sport was everything to them, so the last thing they were going to do was to split the Rowing First IX down the middle, and end up with two weak crews. Ditto cricket; ditto Rugby. I'm sure they were very quick to decide that all their sporting teams had to stay together, so as to preserve their tradition and position on the PSA rankings. Probably their first instinct was to keep their sportsmen at CBC, but then they realised that the new grounds would have far better sporting facilities. Therefore they would have wanted to transfer all their sportsmen to Aquinas, but it would defeat the purpose if their records, traditions, and PSA membership remained with CBC, which had just been gutted of all its sporting talent. The solution, then, was to apply to the PSA to transfer their PSA membership to Aquinas, and to have that transfer treated as a name change, with all the tradition, records, etc of CBC moving to Aquinas. A little sleight of hand, perhaps, but not unreasonable under the circumstances.
Now, take a deep breath, Twenty Years, take a seat and read on:
Just because the PSA agreed to treat the split as a name change, doesn't mean we have to. As historians looking back at the past, we can acknowledge that this agreement happened, without feeling bound by it ourselves. I maintain that the sporting milestones, achievements and travesties of CBC pre-1938 should be discussed in the CBC article. The Aquinas article need only say:
:"When Aquinas broke away from CBC, it was arranged for CBC's PSA membership to be transferred to Aquinas, with all sporting records intact. Thus, for example, the 1910 achievement of CBC in winning every PSA trophy is attributed to Aquinas within the PSA."
And then straight into the post-1938 material.
Hesperian 05:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, im cool with you adding that in there somehow (i cant figure out a way to do it without making it look dicky. And i agree that this also needs to be discussed in the CBC Article. Although i dont agree with your reasoning, it seems somewhat alright. I have come to the conclusion that Massam was merely trying to repesent AC's view on the topic, afterall she is making the book for Aquinas. Twenty Years 07:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: sports section (cont'd)

message: Is anyone else aware of the 50 year plan for Aquinas College, I think it should make a very important addition to this article. I have a reference of the 50 year plan, containing "some" good information and very useful diagrams, I shall attempt to upload a photo of it (my scanner is broken) and if Symode09 is still active, I know he will have a copy that he can scan in high resolution.  --Yungur (talk) 08:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have uploaded photos of some of the information to wikimedia commons, they can be found at the following urls:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Aq50yearplan1.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Aq50yearplan2.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Aq50yearplan3.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Aq50yearplan-map-diagram.JPG  --Yungur (talk • contribs) 09:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  50 Year Plan 

message: The following article states that Aquinas College land value is worth in Excess of 1.2 billion dollars (and thats just the land not including facilities eg: the main castle would be worth a lot for look and historical reasons, the ovals would be worth alot for their condition etc). I think that is a good bit of information, I will look for a place to add it in, maybe in the introduction.
reference:   --Yungur (talk) 08:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a short bit on the land price to the first paragraph under "Campus", however I think it might be a good quick fact for the introduction, and it would most probably get people more inclined to read the rest of the article, I mean, thats an impressive land value :) --Yungur (talk) 08:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed that it is valued "in excess of 1.2b", the article says 1.2bn so i have ammended it as such. Does anyone know what day the article was from? Twenty Years 18:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That figure of $1.2 billion dollars is incorrect. The school had the land valued a couple of years ago at less than 300 million, due to how the land is zoned and other factors. The article that contained the quote of $1.2 billion was made by spin doctors working for the government.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.138.93 (talk) 07:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: you should take that up with the source not the article, and I am pretty sure you will find that with inflation and high property values the school would be worth well in excess of 300 million.. Yungur --Yungur (talk) 07:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: hmmmmmmm, I actually agree with his addition, it is common knowledge among the community Talk to symode09's or How's my driving? 04:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:V. Hesperian 04:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldnt have said it better myself. Twenty Years 17:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text:  Ask anyone in th year 11 cohort :) if you would like, I can make a video and upload it to commons :) Talk to symode09's or How's my driving? 09:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: My query is really quite trivial & hardly seems worth messing with a clean talk page. The list of headmasters has Br. J Hann 1975-87. Weren't his initials T.X. rather than J? I seem to recall he was known as 'Tex' for that reason. GlenDillon 16:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: in case it is of any use to the article, I am happy to announce I have found, and uploaded, a colour photograph of the old CBC Perth building. Looking at it in colour is quite interesting, it's a very beautiful building and a crying shame that they demolished it, but it also show how very similar it is in look to the Aquinas College main building (aka: the castle).
I have added it here and if anyone feels it should be in the actual article feel free to put it there, but I don't want to just go and change the article without some consensus, I recall when we were originally writing this article there was a lot of nit picking at relevance and cutting back etc.. and I don't want to get into all that again. 
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yungur (talk • contribs) 06:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  IMO, it might be better placed in the article on CBC Perth, than Aquinas. Five Years 05:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
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