Talk:Llano Estacado

message: This notion that Coronado marked his trail with wooden stakes seems pretty bogus to me.  Where did he get the wood?  There are very few native trees on the Llano and most of them are pretty short.  Seems like he could have navigated using the stars, etc.  Most of the markers were of water holes, etc. H2O 11:43, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: A pile of buffalo dung near a water hole is much more plausible. H2O 12:37, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Roswell, New Mexico is definately not located on the Llano Estacado.  Roswell is located in the Pecos River valley about 50 miles west of the western escarpment marking the edge of the caprock.  
The "Caprock" or "Cap" is the local term most often used for the Llano Estacado.  The caprock refers to a hard layer of caliche (a form of calcium carbonate) beneath the topsoil that is an important feature of the Llano Estacado and is responsible for the prominent escarpments defining its western and eastern boundaries -- the caprock layer protects the underlying layers from erosion.72.16.50.56 03:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  extent of Llano Estacado; local terminology; geology 

message: "Important cities on the Llano include Amarillo, Lubbock, Seminole and Midland in Texas..."
How is Seminole incuded in this list?  Amarillo = 183,021 population, Lubbock = 209,737, Midland = 100,378, Seminole = 5,910.  I understand that population isn't everything, but cities like Odessa, Plainview, Big Spring and Levelland (among others) are larger economic and educational centers than Seminole.  72.16.85.36 06:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seminole??? 

message: Another useful cognate for the name "estacado"  would be "stockade".  Palisade basically means the same thing as stockade, and that would seem to be the most likely explanation for the Spanish name "Llano Esatacado"--it's the "Stockade Plain".  Away with stories about sticks!  Its all about the escarpments that form a wall around this steppe!
The reason for the name is that, while it was under control of the Spanish Empire, to mark the way the Spaniards used stakes (estacas) every so many leagues.
--139.47.116.162 (talk) 23:05, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  staked/palisaded plain 

message: Another useful cognate for the name "estacado"  would be "stockade".  Palisade basically means the same thing as stockade, and that would seem to be the most likely explanation for the Spanish name "Llano Estacado"--it's the "Stockade Plain".  Away with stories about sticks!  Its all about the escarpments that form a wall around this steppe!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.19.106.240 (talk) 02:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  staked/palisaded plain 

message: There are just too many pictures on this article now.  They're impeding the flow, and some of them are redundant - we have THREE pictures of the Caprock Escarpment (north, east, and Palo Duro Canyon) and I just feel it's cluttered and unnecessary.  I want to delete a picture and move/resize a couple of others, but I wanted to ask for opinions from whoever cares before I did so.  Which one do you think should be deleted, or do you think it's fine the way it is?  If I don't hear anything by tonight I'll go ahead and make changes.  --NetherlandishYankee (talk) 13:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I have rearranged the maps and photos using the gallery function (See article). (Leaflet (talk) 15:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: With regard to the Coronado quote:
"I reached some plains so vast, that I did not find their limit anywhere I went, although I travelled over them for more than 300 leagues ..."
One Spanish league is equivalent to 2.6 miles so 300 Spanish leagues is 780 miles.  The largest east-west dimension of the Llano Estacado is less than 200 miles and the largest north-south dimension is less than 300 miles.  How could Coronado have travelled over them for them for more than 780 miles without finding "their limit"?   Leaflet (talk) 00:29, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: a) He didn't have an odometer. b) He didn't say he traveled in a straight line. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 04:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Coronado Quote

message: The information noted under Llano Estacado does not mention the oil fields of that area. West Texas (Llano Estacado) at one time was one of the largest oil producing areas in the United States. Andrews, Gaines, Hockley, Yoakum, Ector, Garza, Midland, Winkler, Scurry counties all had abundant drilling, oil production and pipeline transportation. 
The major oil companies: Shell, Amoco, Mobil, Humble Oil (Exxon), Atlantic-Richfield, Sun Oil, Texaco, Conoco, Phillips, Texas Pacific Coal & Oil had field offices, leased drilling rights, oil production, pipelines, etc. throughout the Llano Estacado areas.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimmerd30 (talk • contribs) 06:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Texas Oil Fields 

message: I am no expert in Spanish idiom.  I do note that no expert in Spanish idiom of the time involved has yet been cited for the assertion that the meaning of "estacado" here is essentially "stockaded" or "pallisaded".  I do offer a link, http://spanish.about.com/b/2010/05/12/what-does-llano-estacado-mean.htm , at which one putative expert on the language (the person answering the question for the website) notes the relationship of "stockade" to "estacado".  But another putative expert (whose qualifications are unknown) asserts that the meaning was idiomatic for a "polo field" (presumably referencing the stakes that serve as the goals for the game).
In light of the considerable disagreement, and in the absence of some conclusive evidence of what Coronado meant, I would recommend that the strong bias in the article towards the meaning "pallisaded plains" be removed, and the several theories left as competing and unresolved. Doug (talk) 00:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: On what authority do you assert this?  It's lack of referenced authority that makes this an issue.Doug (talk) 01:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

text: You appear to be missing the point.  The issue is not whether or not "stockade" and "pallisade" and "staked" have the same meaning in English.  The question is whether or not the use of "Estacado" by Coronado in the time frame involved would have been a reference to "palisaded", or a reference to "polo field", or a reference to "has stakes on it", or something else entirely different.Doug (talk) 20:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Odd then, that the corresponding article on Spanish Wikipedia is entitled  "Llano Estacado". Carlstak (talk) 03:18, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of "Llano Estacado" 

message: The following line exists in the current version of the article:
:For years, the Llano Estacado was isolated from the state government in Austin 
What the hell is that supposed to mean?  Unless there was a wall built along the top of the escarpments, its meaning is unclear and the verbiage in non-encyclopedic.  I'm going to delete it if no one can improve it or clarify its meaning. 98.82.199.243 (talk) 01:57, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaningless statement 

message: The phrase "Llano Estacado is larger in area than New England, excluding Maine" appears in this article.  Well, then it's not larger in area than New England.  Why compare it to a region that's only similar in size after you exclude its largest state?  There are many better area comparisons that could be made.  For example, the Llano Estacado is ~37,000 square miles.  Indiana is ~36,000 square miles.  I'm changing the comparison to this more relevant example.  63.115.56.33 (talk) 17:16, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange Area Comparison 

message: The article on Cedaredge, Colorado claims that Grand Mesa is the largest mesa in the world.  If Llana Estacado is a larger mesa, the Cedaredge article certainly needs to be corrected, and the L.E. article ought to claim credit to being the largest (in Texas, if not in the U.S. or the world). 75.163.241.167 (talk) 21:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest mesa in the U.S.?  in the world? 

message: The Llano Estacado article is a vast, barren vista which is interrupted by pitifully few citations to support the content which recedes to the gently undulating horizon. — O'Dea (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  So can anyone back up any of this stuff, or what? 

message: For years I've struggled with how ground could be "staked". Staked to what? But on finally seeing the geologic features of this area, I realize that the translation from the Spanish: estacado, should be STACKED. 172.248.105.201 (talk) 18:48, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You would have to show some reliable academic sources to support your contention. The literal translation of the Spanish "Llano Estacado" is "staked plain"; it is sometimes translated as "palisaded plain." See The Encyclopedia of North American Indian Wars, 1607–1890: A Political, Social, and Military History. Carlstak (talk) 21:02, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Staked should read: stacked