Talk:Robert Harron

message: I removed this info:
*While still conscious but gravely ill, his boyhood priest, Father McQuird, had to ask him, "Bobby, tell Father McQuird, did you..."  "Stop right there, Father."  Robert said.  "I wouldn't even think of it." 
*The medical certificate and autopsy was located by Joseph P. Fanning, who was the organizer and lecturer for the homage for Robert Harron at the MOMA 1993, commemoration of his birth centennial. Fanning believes the documents indicate a suicide.
I found no books, articles, or other publications that mention this information. Jokestress (talk) 02:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I know I'm going to regret this but I removed the content concerning the allegations of suicide from the article. I also removed the Accidental deaths category because there's no source for that ruling either. I searched Google Archives and only found articles that said "it was said the shooting was accidental". That's not an official ruling by any means. I'll look for more sources soon but for now, I think it best we just leave all talk of suicide and stuff out until solid sources can be found. One of the subject's (supposed) relatives has edited the article in the past couple of months which to me means we need to be aware that people who may know the truth probably won't appreciate amateur sleuths on Wikipedia theorizing about the nature of their relative's death. Pinkadelica♣ 04:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced materials in death section

message: What is the evidence you believe exists that cause of death is significant to notability in this case? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:33, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The circumstances and manner of his death and the debate about whether it was an accident or suicide was widely reported on at the time and is still widely debated, as can be seen in the references and the constant back and forth of different editors in the edit summary. His death (and manner of death) has almost overshadowed his career. ExRat (talk) 04:37, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Citation for the claim "has almost overshadowed his career"? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't aware that my personal assessment on an article's talk page and not claimed in the body of the article required a citation. The circumstance of his death seems to be written about disproportionately to his career. Whether his death by suicide or accident "overshadowed his career" is arguable, I suppose. That isn't what is being discussed. Harron's death is significant to notability because it is both still debated as to whether he committed suicide or it was an accidental death, and that the circumstances surrounding his death (whether it was self-inflicted or not) was widely reported on and written about (Film Study Vol 2: An Analytical Bibliography by Frank Manchel, Golden Images: 41 Essays on Silent Film Stars by Eve Golden,  Hollywood Babylon by Kenneth Anger, etc.) ExRat (talk) 20:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That isn't what's being discussed. The fact that it was reported means that we can report it; it doesn't mean it is significant to the notability of the subject of this article, which is the person rather than the death. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:12, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  The circumstance of his death seems to be written about disproportionately to his career. Even the article is mostly made up of his death, rather than his career. I even listed several books that discuss his death much more so than his career. Per Template:Infobox: "Cause of death. Should be clearly defined and sourced, and should only be included when the cause of death has significance for the subject's notability." I feel as though it has been written about extensively enough that it should be mentioned in the infobox. However, you apparently don't. This is quickly becoming WP:Tendentious editing. So, feel free to revert it. Frankly, I'm finding interactions with you extraordinarily unpleasant. Thankfully, Wikipedia is a very large place. EDIT. I reverted it for you. ExRat (talk) 02:35, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Significance