Template talk:Valve

message: For the second time I have removed Team Fortress from the list of Valve games. Team Fortress is not valve owned. Valve simply hired the original TF developers to work on a TF port for the half life engine.
It was my understanding that the information on Wikipedia was to be accurate and consistent, and yet here I am having to make the same change after some douche bag reversed my change.
Two Quotes from Team Fortress Page:
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Team Fortress is a team and class based online multiplayer computer game modification based on id Software's Quake. Team Fortress was designed and written by Australians Robin Walker, John Cook, and Ian Caughley in 1996.
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The original Team Fortress was written as an add-on modification ('mod', alternately 'TC' for total conversion) for id Software's Quake and released as freeware on August 24, 1996. The first release for QuakeWorld (v2.0) came on December 22, 1996. It was sufficiently successful that Walker, Cook and Caughley formed Team Fortress Software to develop Team Fortress 2 as a commercial mod for Quake II. Team Fortress 2 for Quake II was never fully developed and released. Walker and Cook later joined game developer Valve Software and released a port for Valve's Half-Life engine (Goldsrc) called Team Fortress Classic, which closely followed the gameplay, classes, and maps of the original. In 2007, a completely revised Team Fortress 2 was released as a stand-alone retail game for Valve's Source engine.
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Note how nowhere in these quotes does it say that Team Fortress is a Valve owned game. So please, do your research before reverting other peoples changes.
Frustrating, very frustrating.
*All of your arguments are unpersuasive and deemed moot, as this template is not for Valve owned games.  It's for Valve developed games.  Your quotes evidence that Valve did, indeed, help develop TF.  So the next question is, what percentage of a game needs to be developed by Valve in order for it to qualify as being "Valve developed"?  Also note that just because a game uses the Valve source engine does not inherently mean it was developed by Valve.Mojodaddy (talk) 21:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: TF2

message: Valve now own Turtle Rock Studios, would anyone else be in favour of adding this information somewhere in the template?--Greg Moroney (talk) 13:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This template is for games developed my Valve - information about aquired studios isn't necessary here, instead it belongs on the main Valve page - and somebody has already taken care of it. Now, if you mean that Turtle Rock's games should be added, then there's no need. The only projects that Turtle Rock worked on before being acquired were ports and maps of/for Valve-owned games that are already on this list. Left 4 Dead was started after the merger and is already listed here. --Magus05 (talk) 08:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Turtle Rock Studios

message: What's Gunman Chronicles doing in the template? It has been developed by Rewolf, not Valve. Although Rewolf apparently licensed the Half-Life engine (how else could they have released this standalone), but that's the only connection with Valve afaik. Other games using one of Valve's game engines aren't there either. E.g. Dark Messiah Might and Magic, Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. --Pizzahut2 (talk) 20:15, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and have removed it from the template. 66.36.134.59 (talk) 04:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gunman Chronicles