Talk:Oz (TV series)/Archive 1

message: I love the POV here - Schillinger "commits atrocities against other inmates" and "his behaviour demonstrates the prison system's indifference to humanity", but Adebisi on the other hand "is a strong anchoring character" who "remains the most powerful inmate within the walls of Oz up until his death". Never mind that Adebisi is a rapist, a drug dealer and a police murderer who infected another inmate with AIDS on purpose. Why is Adebisi glorified?
*OK, I am going to change that, anonymous, because you are right, it is not consistent.--cda 13:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adebisi 

message: Is there really an Irish gang in Oz? I don't recall seeing any Irish people except the O'Reillys. 80.178.231.66
: Timmy Kirk is Irish, I suppose, but he went along to the religious strifes rather than hanging around with Ryan O'Reilly. cun 13:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. OzOz 13:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I recall one more irish (apart from Kirk and the O'Reillys) who was always talking with O'Reilly, but it was usually like, they talked two muted lines and then the scene started. That was Liam Meaney
First off: yes, there was an Irish gang.  It was one of the ten groups denoted by McManus at the beginning of the second season when he formed the inmate council.  Those are the same ten in the article. --Kitch 14:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish gang? 

message: Also, is the shorthand for Emerald City "Em City" or "M City"?  It could be considered a Unit M, since there's already a Unit E (the AIDS ward). --Kitch 14:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is short for 'Emerald City,' because the place is called 'Oz,' as in Wizard of Oz. Megan 06:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The titles on the DVDs usually refer to it as the "Em City," I believe, and Em City is actually Unit 5. Sexyactionnick 08:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The AIDS unit is Unit F, not E. at least according the very last episode that I just finished watching. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.183.96.237 (talk) 22:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Em City or M City? 

message: When MacManus categoriezd the inmates in Em-city into 10 gangs (In the second episode of the second season) he said that there will be no more than 4 members of each gang in Emerald city at any given time.
However, I've counted more than 4 latinos and 4 Italians several times. 
For example, in episode "Cruel and unusual punishments" I counted 5 latinos. After Ryan fucks the latinos and Sean Murphy finds drugs in their pod, 3 latinos (El cid, guerra and a third latin whose name I don't recall) are taken away, while Alvarez sneaks away and a fifth latin (One with a long black hair who appeared to be Alvarez' right hand in the earlier episodes) passes next to him. OzOz
:I think they abandonded that idea after season 2. cun 20:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they abandoned the idea of strict numbers, but still having inmates of every gang in there. In Season 4, the idea was dropped with the new Unit Supervisor and then reinstituted when McManus came back as Unit 5, Emerald City, Supervisor. Because also, what group was Chris Keller in? He was in league with the Aryans, but Beecher never would have trusted him if he was one, probably the same with the bikers (though Keller was a biker on the outside, was he in a biker gang?). He would have had to be an "Other," though those four would have been Beecher, Rebadow, Hill, and Busmalis...plus Keller would have been one too many.Sexyactionnick 08:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of members in each gang 

message: so tom fontana got a real tattoo of 'OZ'? i figured they could just fake the needling. thats some real commitment to make the show a real and lasting part of you
-Lordraydens 03:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tattoo

message: I think about writing a complete synopsis of the things that happened throughout this series.
I thought about writing an article describing each main gang, (Homeboys, Muslims, Latinos, Aryans etc.) which will explain the changes that took place in each gang throughout the series. (Leadership replacement, wars, other interests and goals etc. Much like the articles written about the characters in Oz.)
The way I see it, all of the information regarding the entire gangs is quite inaccessible to anyone who hasn't watched the entire show.
The most interesting gangs in my opinion are -
* The Homeboys
* The Sicilians (Maybe the mobsters or the mafia?)
* Aryan Brotherhood
* El Norte (The Latin gang)
* The Muslims
I am not sure about the bikers, however. Some things have clearly happened in this gang (First they were independent, then they joined the Aryans, then the had a fight thanks to O'reilly and there were some other things) but most of the time, this gang is quite in the background, mainly muscle for hire for other inmates or working with the Aryans.
In my opinion, there isn't all that much to say about the Christians, the gays and the Irish; And "the others" act independently, so I believe we can stick to the individual articles. OzOz 20:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a plot synopsis is needed. We should begin with one on the main page here. Wikiproject television suggests that as it grows it should be separated into seaparate articles for each season and then each episode. Summary's should remain on the main page for each season.--Opark 77 08:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A full series synopsis 

message: Another thing that might be written is a layout of Oz - what different parts of the Prison were shown in the series? (There is Em-city, of course, Unit B, the cops' unit, the Aids ward, the infirmary, death row, the Cafeteria, the dress factory, (Which was only seen twice throughout the entire show if I recall correctly - when Hill, Beecher and Reabadow were speaking in the first episode and when Morales and his crew murdered the Chinese guy with the staples gun) the mail room, the offices of Glynn, Mukada and Peter Marie, some storage rooms where people get murdered, the Gym, the hole/solitary/Protective custody and that's it I believe) I'd love it if someone could build some sort of a sketch of the entire prison. (The one in HBO's site ain't that good - there are no notes explaining what's what and I can't understand what I'm seeing) OzOz 20:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be a useful resource but wikipedia is probably not the place for it as it would be a form of original research. Rob Durfee's Oz page is a comprehensive fansite perhaps they might host it for you if you manage to amass the information needed to draw a chart.--Opark 77 08:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Prison layout

message: Where is the series shot?
:I just deleted a (vandalism-like) comment from the article that claimed the series 1 DVD states that the series is shot in New York. Can anyone confirm? risk 21:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location 

message: (That blackout saved reabadow's life, as he was supposed to be put to death by the electric chair that day)
That might be one clue as to the state in which the series takes place. OzOz 13:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  According to S1E4, the [[Northeast Blackout of 1965]] struck Oz's state 

message: later go on to star in other HBO series.
:98% of statistics are made up on the spot. It's a fair observation and is already discussed in the article.--Opark 77 01:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  pretty much 80% of the actors. 

message: See WP:LEAD. The lead for the article is overlong. I have moved the broadcast information to its own section to cut down on the leads size.--Opark 77 01:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Long lead

message: The structure of this article is fairly sound. There are lists that should be converted into prose where possible. Several sections or areas recommended for articles on TV shows are missing. For example:
*Plot synopsis
*DVD release
*Critical response
*Ratings
*Awards
*Impact on society
*Production notes
Current TOC
    * 1 Cast and Characters
          o 1.1 Main cast
    * 2 Character Synopses
          o 2.1 Prison Groups
          o 2.2 Inmates
          o 2.3 Prison Staff
          o 2.4 Others
    * 3 Episodes and broadcast history
    * 4 Slang and Terms
    * 5 Trivia
    * 6 References in other media
    * 7 Books
    * 8 See also
    * 9 External links
Any thoughts on what sections need adding?--Opark 77 08:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Structure and aiming for comprehensiveness

message: Currently there are two sections for characters Cast and Characters and Character Synopses. I noticed that User:OzOz has planned to start a page named characters of Oz. I think this is a good idea for collecting entries on minor characters together. Perhaps instead of having the purely list format Cast and Characters content this could be moved as a foundation for the new article and the two sections merged together under the heading Cast and Characters.--Opark 77 08:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it is a great idea. Please do so! :) OzOz 18:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Opark 77 19:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters section

message: Did you notice how many people were killed just after seeing their family in this series? 80.178.32.41 21:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A recurring theme 

message: The supermax prison in ct is called Osborn I believe, that may be where the name came from.  Is this worth mentioning in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.49.136.98 (talk) 00:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  location 

message: It is huge and very hard to use as it is. I believe it'd be better to drop it. TV chump 14:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The table is horrible! 

message: Who did the original 1997 theme music? When I Google for it all I get are the 2000 rap version and the  2001 instrumental. Grant | Talk 11:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest IMDb. --Soetermans 08:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, found it though Googling. David/Dave Darlington & Stephen/Steven Rosen. Great music, but as it hasn't won any awards and isn't notable in any other way, I guess we don't need to mention it in the text. Grant | Talk 09:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original theme music

message: "Oz avoids any easy answers as to the origin of violence and criminality. Even the worst offenders are shown to have moments of humanity, while the supposedly "normal" characters come to commit their own atrocities. One of the perspectives shown by Oz is that the rehabilitation of the prisoners is impossible when the system is largely corrupt. The show also focused largely on the abuse of the prisoners' rights and on the large increase of the incarcerated population on the U.S of the late 1990s. Whenever possible, the show presented a major negative perspective over the death penalty."
This entire paragraph reads as an individual interpretation of the series, and not something official. If these views can't be sourced back to the writers / developers of the series, then it fails NPOV and should be removed. 74.242.99.7 11:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues with intro