Talk:State of Palestine

message: Trinidad and Tobago recognized the State of Palestine on 2 May 2024. 
The number of UN members that recognize the State of Palestine needs to be updated to 141. Surfacedextrous (talk) 06:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Some debate going on about what the exact number is right now, at Talk:Foreign_relations of the State of Palestine#140 and at Talk:International recognition of the State of Palestine, suggest the discussion take place only at the latter article until resolved. Selfstudier (talk) 09:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  International recognition by UN members 

message: In the first one or two paragraphs there is a grammatical error, with the article saying “it have a combined area” instead of “it has”, the latter being correct. MrGamerMooseBTW (talk) 12:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: — kashmīrī TALK 14:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for one of two grammar mistakes you can't change whole section Kharbaan Ghaltaan (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 May 2024 

message: "The Palestinian Authority governs parts of the West Bank while Hamas controls the Gaza Strip. Currently the country is challenging from expansion of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories, impact of occupation, settler violence, blockade by Israel, restrictions on movement and ongoing security concerns. Current effort is advancing the Palestinian cause and achieving a just and lasting resolution to the conflict."
The second sentence is not in proper engligh. The third sentence is both subjective and flat out wrong. Personally I would change it to 'unsuccessful efforts have been made to solve the conflict' then bang on a source. Firestar47 (talk) 08:29, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks. — kashmīrī TALK 00:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introdution fourth paragraph. Edits needed 

message: Under the "History" section, there is a sentence which does not appear to make much sense. It reads:
"Abdul Hamid, the last Khalifa of the world, oppose Zionist movement, but failed."
My problems with this sentence are twofold: Firstly, it is not grammatically correct, as it should read "Abdul Hamid, the last Khalifa of the world, opposed Zionist movement, but failed." Secondly, it does not convey much encyclopedic information. How did he "oppose Zionist movement"? This is not elaborated upon in the text to my knowledge. Why does the article refer to Abdul Hamid as "the last Khalifa of the world"? This title is not used in Hamid's main article, and it appears to be invented by whoever wrote it.
Can this sentence be excised or altered to be more encyclopedic? Thanks. JohnR1Roberts (talk) 14:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: . @JohnR1Roberts, is it more acceptable now? — kashmīrī TALK 16:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the new wording. JohnR1Roberts (talk) 16:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange Sentence in History Section 

message: Please change the first sentence from: "Palestine (Arabic: فلسطين, romanized: Filasṭīn), officially the State of Palestine (دولة فلسطين, Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a country in the southern Levant region of West Asia."
"To:
"Palestine (Arabic: فلسطين, romanized: Filasṭīn), officially the State of Palestine (دولة فلسطين, Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a territory in the southern Levant region of West Asia."
This change aims to reflect a more neutral stance by describing Palestine as a territory, acknowledging the disputed nature of its status.
Sources:
United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/67/19U.S. 
Department of State - Country Profiles
European Union - External Action Service, "EU Relations with Palestine" ヘンドリックス (talk) 20:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 May 2024 

message: Mistake:
“The region of Palestine has played an important part in world history… Judaism traces its origins back to historic Palestine during biblical times.”
Correction:
“The region historically known today as Palestine has played an important part in world history. In ancient times, this area was known by various names depending on the ruling empire, including Canaan, Israel, Judah, and later Judea. The term ‘Palestine’ itself was more broadly applied by the Greeks and Romans.” 2603:9008:1607:E4FD:6848:D6C:3FC0:6598 (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: We do to need to list every name in this sentence. I also note you left out Philistine and Pelesheth. Slatersteven (talk) 13:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Historical Representation of Palestine 

message: In Early History, the sentence “The Israelites, Abraham's descendants, settled in Canaan, which later became known as Palestine.” is misleading because there are thousands of years between Canaan and the use of the term “Palestine”. 
A more correct option for a rewrite would be  The Israelites, Abraham's descendants, settled in Canaan, which eventually became known as Palestine and Israel.
The citation has nothing to do with any of this and must be removed. Citation 28 links to an illustrated children’s version of the Mormon re-telling of the Hebrew Bible. This is an inappropriate link because the Mormon religion is never mentioned in the article, and because the term “Palestine” never appears in the linked page. Instead, the linked source claims that the land of Canaan came to be known as the land of Israel or the land of Judah. 2601:80:8600:EFA0:897D:F00F:62A0:7682 (talk) 17:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed unreliable source and replaced with cn tag. Selfstudier (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading sentence with inappropriate, non-sequitur citation 

message: References 45 and 46 are identical 2601:80:8600:EFA0:C5B7:ECFB:7F54:4012 (talk) 19:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: 58 and 59 are identical 2601:80:8600:EFA0:C5B7:ECFB:7F54:4012 (talk) 19:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

text: They seem different? Selfstudier (talk) 08:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple citation numbers for the same source 

message: This page has fringe text. In particular the early history section appears to draw pn myth uncritically. 
Text to change: 
The Exodus from Egypt, led by Moses, is a pivotal event in Jewish history, symbolizing deliverance from slavery and the return to their ancestral homeland.
New text:
(empty) 
The exodus didn't happen, and thus shouldn't be presented as history. 
12.75.41.36 (talk) 03:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe, but they claim it did, thus is a pivotal moment in their history. Slatersteven (talk) 08:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way, I guess it is a misalignment issue because the primary article, The Exodus, calls it a founding myth, and this article calls it history, both using wiki-voice. This is probably not ideal. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: So we re-word it, such as "The Exodus from Egypt, led by Moses, is a pivotal event in Jewish mythology, symbolizing deliverance from slavery and the return to their ancestral homeland.". Slatersteven (talk) 09:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Doug Weller's solution works for me. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. Thanks Doug for the Gordian (k)not.Nishidani (talk) 09:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks folks. That editor has real CIR issues.. No clue about reliable sources. Doug Weller talk 10:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

text: +1 – the pre-modern content was never relevant in the first place. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Though the lead needs fixing/aligning too now. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest an edit of adding “Late Ottomam Era” as the header for the first paragraph in History. 174.247.80.69 (talk) 23:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request  

message: change country to state - Palestine is not an official country. Alamanara Alababur (talk) 12:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: see talk page archive. Slatersteven (talk) 12:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

text: See the article country to check your understanding of the word's meaning and usage. Sean.hoyland (talk) 13:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 May 2024 

message: While the State of Palestine is factually a partially recognized country, so is China, Taiwan, Kosovo, and (the State of) Israel. Yet, the lede of none of the above articles are being written as such; they are simply "a country". I feel that the first sentence of the lede should refer to the SoP as just "a country", but a sentence further down the paragraph could include "the State's limited international recognition by just 145/193 UN member states plus the Holy See" or something like that. (?) Josethewikier (talk) 21:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: that is to say I request to merge the 4th paragraph of the lede into the 1st is what could work. Josethewikier (talk) 21:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  country 

message: As with Kosovo, the lede sentence should match in that "Palestine is a country ... with partial diplomatic recognition" as opposed to "Palestine is a partially recognized country ...". See Kosovo Etsaloto (talk) 23:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I second this. The sentence structure "...is a partially recognized country" implies or stresses that less than half of the countries in the world recognise Palestine, when this is far from the case (MW defines "partially" as "to some extent; in some degree"). If Taiwan (recognised by just around a dozen countries) is simply described as a "country" in the lede in its article, with its political status only mentioned at length several paragraphs down, why can't this be done for Palestine, whose diplomatic recognition is far more widespread? Yekshemesh (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating lede sentence 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Speedy close. Speedy close per SilverLocust and others. (non-admin closure) Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 02:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: State of Palestine →  – WP:COMMONNAME, and because this is what is done for almost every other state on Earth, such as the Federal Republic of Germany, the Republic of China, the People’s Republic of China, the United Mexican States, and the State of Israel. MountainDew20 (talk) 02:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Furthermore, Palestine will have to be moved to Palestine (disambiguation). MountainDew20 (talk) 02:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. State of Palestine according to pageviews.wmcloud.com is visited way more than the region and all the other things in the disambig page combined. 48JCLTALK 16:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Closure requests shouldn't be directed at a particular user, but other editors can take your comment as a "• Speedy close per SilverLocust". Personally, I wait for some comments before closing a repeat request as WP:SNOW, and I generally don't close an RM after making even a neutral comment. SilverLocust 💬 08:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, my mistake, I mixed you up with  Selfstudier (talk) 08:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 1 June 2024 

message: Invaison should be invasion. The Nookster (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Slatersteven (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo in 5th sentence