Talk:McDowell County, West Virginia

message: This counties specific history section looks to be a direct quote from the McDowell County History text OR the Poli Sci page at WV University......... I will verify with my copy at home and begin edits. As to the local history, the assumption with a local history tag is that you go a level up for veracity, at the county level, that would mean what exactly?? The State, the USA???Coal town guy (talk) 20:18, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt it is from the Poli Sci page... Poli Sci archive. It seems like I was rewording the section, but I found trouble finding sources for more recent information. – Nascar1996 (talk • cont) 03:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not doubt it came from the McDowell County History book however.........I did indeed check my copy. This is a series of summary quotes with no refs, and thats not too cool really. I think I can fix that within the next few days. As far as most recent, the county has a population of under 20,000 and is in the process of a death spiral, not fun to watch. Most of their places on the NRHP are ready to be visited by a bulldozer and there is virtually no budget to maintain, much less restore these places. AND lest we forget, YES, I did go there in my car (2013) and YES, a dozer is in the future.Coal town guy (talk) 14:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Lets try this again shall we? Here is a verbatim extract from the poli sci page "In an effort to raise revenue following the American Revolutionary War, the newly formed federal government sold vast areas of unoccupied land to land speculators, typically as low as three cents per acre. In 1794, three large land grants were sold that covered all of the present county and more. Wilson Cary Nicholas purchased a land grant of 300,000 acres and another 320,000 acre land grant with Jacob Kenney. This latter land grant was said to have covered most of the present McDowell County. It was sold the following year to Robert Morris (1734-1806), the famous wealthy financier who was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, used his financial fortune to underwrite the expenses of the American Revolutionary Army, and, late in life, lost his fortune and spent three years in debtor's prison. Also, in 1794, David Paterson purchased a 150,00 acre land grant that may have included a small portion of the present county. He sold it to Robert Pollard the following year. Thus, in 1795, Robert Morris owned nearly all of land that is now known as McDowell County." The article History section we are discussing for McDowell County is a near precise rewording, paraphrased including the 3 cents an acre verbage and the following the Revolutionary war verbage. Read the article with the extract....While not an exact copy, its a reworded essay with over 80% of the quoted extract with no ref, ergo, UNLESS there is a ref, it will go bye bye.Coal town guy (talk) 15:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest hiding it. I doubt there is a reference online, and I don't own any books related to the area. (I was confused on what part of the history you were referring to at first.) – Nascar1996 (talk • cont) 23:47, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I own the physical books, there is believe it or not (and sometimes I do not) a benefit behind starting a Phd in Appalachian studies, didnt finish the Phd, BUT I have a decent library on WV. There are scant books on strictly McDowell County history, I know 2 of the authors as they are still alive, BUT, online, Virgil Lewis, History of WV at Google books, the 1890's edition is a cool start. I own that text as well and from what I can recall, there should be enough between that and a few others I have to actually upgrade the history. After a closer review, there is some repetition, and we could use SOME of the poli sci page of course. As to hiding it, can we hold off for 1 week? I think I can nail most of it to the point of it NOT being a restatement of a single web page by then. ANY help would be GREATLY appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 03:05, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The history section 

message: After a verbatim review, the entire History section is what we call Close Paraphrasing and may constitute plagiarismCoal town guy (talk) 16:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for looking into this! :) I see it's been worked on since then. Can I ask if you think this is still an issue that merits the tag? If so, is there anything that I can do to help with the rewrite? Is it bad enough to require removing the section so it can be rewritten from scratch? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think you are correct, I have been trying to get to it, BUT I have not been able to dedicate the time it needs.Coal town guy (talk) 17:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, I am actually going to started editing it again, I blew my knees out this past year, learning to walk vs editing....hey, a man has to choose.Coal town guy (talk) 14:50, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paraphrasing and History 

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message: SO, where are all of the other county drug induced deaths? Wyoming County? Boone County etc etc. I mean if we want to news monger, wee need rape and murder rates tooCoal town guy  (talk)  12:55, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug induced deaths 

message: ANY source for this???? I am unable to see it, I know people on the County Commission, they do not know of it, ANYONE, ANYTHING??Coal town guy  (talk)  17:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag for McDowell County 

message: I don't know how or where to add this information, but I think it should be documented somewhere that the pronunciation for the name of this location is "Mack Dow" in the mouth of an local resident:  at 09:45. 
:  Geographyinitiative (talk) 09:21, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That man quite clearly pronounces the "ell" part of the name. --Khajidha (talk) 23:16, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: On some guy’s farm 1866-74. Why? 62.105.172.44 (talk) 17:47, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: County Seat