Talk:Paul Lynde

message: In order for this person to remain in :Category:Gay icons, the article needs to mention this "fact" in the body and cite reliable sources to support it.  The fact the man is gay and matched gay stereo-types, doesn't make him a gay icon.  We need a notable source, to actual use the term "gay icon" when referring to him.  --Rob 17:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Gay icons]] 

message: I removed the "Hollywood Squares quips" section from the page. If you feel that this was in error, you're welcome to put it back on the page. As it stands, however, the section was not encyclopedic, and there already is a link to it on the Rotten page in the external links section (from where, without citation, it was taken.) Contrary to what the overeager Ryulong says, my removal of it was not vandalism and does not "compromise the integrity of [the] page." Quite the contrary, including a list of quips on an encyclopedia page compromises the integrity of the article: if one of them is deemed particularly amusing, however, they can be placed in a "Quotes" section. 66.229.160.94 01:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed material

message: I switched the infobox over to the actor version, which has a field for Emmy Awards.  I see lots of notes in various biographies that Lynde won two Emmy Awards for his work on Hollywood Squares, but I'd like to put the details (year and specific award) into the infobox.  I haven't had any luck finding the specifics though; if anybody has them, it'd be great if you could add it to the infobox. Brad E. Williams 15:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i removed the text regarding the emmy awards altogether. all 'reliable' sources on the matter including the emmys site ,  the envelope please, imdb, and amg have no record whatsoever of lynde ever receiving an emmy.--emerson7 16:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lynde never received an Emmy award, as the sites you already looked at clearly indicate. The quote from this article "In 1976, Lynde received an Entertainer of the Year Emmy award for being voted the funniest man of the year, which he immediately turned over to host Jackie Gleason (who never won an Emmy award during his lifetime), citing him as "the funniest man ever." The unexpected gesture shocked Gleason." never happened either. I was curious to see this moment and after a bunch of googling found that not only does the Emmy not have a category for "funniest man of the year" Gleason never hosted the Emmys and Lynde never won any Emmy award. The award show Gleason hosted was the "American Guild of Variety Artists 5th Annual Entertainer of the Year Awards" which was a CBS program. There's no video of it or their interaction. Sorry for probably bad format on this edit just wanted to throw in something I found after reading this article. -some random person  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:1526:7D:DCBD:C57C:6C9A:5E36 (talk) 03:28, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Emmy Awards

message: It should be insulting to any gay person, that because he acted like the stereotipical image of the 'gay queen' that he must be gay. I'm not saying he's not gay, but I know men who talk like and have the same mannerisms that aren't gay. Please site sources. J. D. Hunt (talk) 00:22, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He was outed by Boze Hadleigh in his 1996 book Hollywood Gays: Conversations with Cary Grant, Liberace, Tony Perkins, Paul Lynde, Cesar Romero, Brad Davis, Randolph Scott, James Coco, William Haine. Lynde's homosexuality isn't in any sort of dispute, but if you'd like a source, that's a starting point. --Jere7my (talk) 06:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, then Liberace should be labelled as such but there's a huge debate on his discussion page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.72.27.204 (talk) 04:00, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

text: "Um"? You don't sound very certain. — Walloon (talk) 02:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, Davidson was buried next to the Lynde plot. See this link: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=17104026  Clockster (talk) 01:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Actually, now that I see this has been removed, I'll add the part about Bing's grave back in along with the source. Clockster (talk) 01:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Where is the source that he was gay

message: What drugs did he abuse?
(Schweinkenstein (talk) 13:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What kind of drug abuse? 

message: Shouldn't the Television section include references to his frequent guest appearances on the Donnie & Marie show as "Carroll Crump," an author-explorer who would do a monologue that inevitably ended with him in some dangerous yet hilarious predicament? 76.21.8.213 (talk) 19:11, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donnie & Marie 

message: If he was born in '26 and died in '82 I doubt he was 54. Is it the years or age that's wrong?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.212.241 (talk) 05:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are photos on find a grave that has is birth year as 1927. Sadicarnot (talk) 04:03, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age at death 

message: According to findagrave.com his year of birth is 1927 not 1926Benjito (talk) 18:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  DOB 

message: Not sure if this is significant enough to go in the article, but I've seen a few references (in interviews and such) to Paul Lynde getting in trouble late in his career due to an incident where he made racist remarks to a black professor from Northwestern at a Burger King. The details were always vague, so I thought maybe it was an urban legend, but I've found a contemporary source for the incident. It's a November 1977 copy of Jet magazine on Google books. Paul Lynde had led a Homecoming parade at Northwestern earlier that day, and made the offensive remarks to sociology professor James P. Pitts, who happened to be in line at Burger King behind him. --99.165.91.202 (talk) 01:30, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to be an apologist for boorish behavior, but one must consider a few items concerning the alleged and highly possible incident. First being his age, hence era of maturing and racial relations in the US. THEN considering the intoxicated state of the idiot at the time in question. Then, considering the professor, who one would expect greater grace of and attempting to seek an apology from a sober person the next day, rather than seeking hyperbole instead. My own 82 year old father was quite ready to drop the "N bomb", but was highly respectful of his co-workers who were black, even to inviting them to our own home in a racially charged neighborhood at the time. It's how some were raised, which the ugliest side becomes exposed when intoxicated.Wzrd1 (talk) 05:45, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Following on this reversion, I googled around a bit and found surprisingly few mentions of this on the web , , , a few others. There may or may not be some mention in the biography Center Square (). Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northwestern U racism incident 

message: Queer Duck is a three-minute TV short, of which 20 episodes were ever made, 20 years after Paul Lynde's death, plus a "feature film" that appeared on the LOGO channel...?  Why is this show notable, as opposed to, say, episodes of Bewitched, Hollywood Squares, and cartoons using Lynde's voice work that are still airing today?
Jessemckay (talk) 22:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queer Duck: Is It Notable? 

message: I have watched and been a fan of Bewitched since early childhood. I remember being told or reading somewhere that Lynde and Ghostley were in fact brother & sister. But neither is mentioned under the sub-headings "Personal Life". Can someone verify this please  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.128.6.161 (talk) 06:11, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Lynde & Alice Ghostley 

message: How did he pronounce his name?  Was the y long (as in "line") or short (as in "linear")?  Was it one or two syllables ("Lin-dee"?)  Thanks, 207.237.243.185 (talk) 05:27, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: I removed the "partner" reference from the info box. The source did not support it--it only calls Bing his "companion". I don't dispute that they had a sexual relationship (though that source doesn't say so), but since Bing died when he was 24 it seems suspect to list him as Lynde's "partner", especially when the source doesn't agree. Perhaps it can be re-added, or perhaps Lynde had a more significant relationship later in life that would be more appropriate to list there. Bing was apparently buried near the Lynde family plot, for what that's worth. 75.76.162.89 (talk) 06:54, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partner 

message: I remember hearing he drowned in his swimming pool, and here's plenty of corroboration, but we're saying he was found dead in his bed?  What gives?  --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 09:44, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Drowned?

message: In the movie credits list, it says he provided a voice in the 1997 movie "Jungle Emperor Leo."  I've checked Imdb and do not see his name mentioned anywhere with that movie, or the 1965 television series it was based upon.  Could this be intentional mis-information or just wrong information, or have I overlooked something?  HaarFager (talk) 04:37, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact Needs Checked 

message: The death date shown in the cited source as well as the date shown on his death certificate is January 11, 1982, not January 10, 1982. I changed it to the correct date.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbs527 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Date 

message: The "Personal Life" section is basically a list of innuendos suggesting that Lynde may have been gay, but it never actually states that he was gay.  This seems rather odd.  If he was gay, why not just state it outright, and provide a source for that information?  If it is not know whether or not he was gay, then the laundry list of innuendo seems misplaced and over-long.  The man made his career as an actor and comedian, not as a sexual activist, gay or otherwise.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎GeorgeofOrange (talk • contribs) 01:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The article cites reliable sources concerning people who have speculated about Lynde's sexuality and properly attributes that speculation, and presents facts (with citations of reliable sources) concerning various events in his personal life, some of which might encourage such speculation.  We cannot change what the aggregation of those facts might suggest. The ambiguity in the article concerning his sexuality accurately reflects the ambiguity which existed at the time, and which still exists (ambiguity which Lynde may well have cultivated).  No reliable sources that firmly establish his sexuality are known to exist.  If any are found, they may certainly be added. General Ization Talk   03:40, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal Life

message: Stumbling upon this article, yet knowing the BLP since the 1960s, I am amazed the section Personal life hasn't been scrubbed to portray a more encyclopedic content tone. NPOV aside (which seems to weigh heavily on anecdotal stories about Lynde's gay lifestyle), each cited line is something one might gossip about after reading a tabloid magazine and not an encyclopedia biography section on a person's life. Either it needs to be re-titled to correctly reflect what the section really "contributes" to the article, or it needs a good cleaning to better honor the BLP. I vote for the latter, regardless if they are RS or not. It's heavily undue weight toward a specific content view and topic for a section entitled: "Personal life". Maineartists (talk) 00:03, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tabloid vs Encyclopedic 

message: voiceover artist and game show panelist aren't even slightly controversial -- literally 95% of people my age know he was both of those -- not sure such noncontroversial info needs to be sourced? valereee (talk) 23:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it does. I'm 59 so I remember also (hence my edit summary). It has nothing to do what you think people know, it's about verifiability, what other people know is not verifiable.   - FlightTime (open channel) 00:09, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It actually is sourced in the sections, and is listed in infobox, I'm going to restore valereee (talk) 13:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  noncontroversial additions 

message: Hi! It's a moot point; but I have to ask: what is your beef here? This is an article on the subject: Paul Lynde; not the topic of alcohol and the disorder of abuse terminology. What "literature" are you referring to: the sources found within the cited inline references for the subject? I could not find any to support your definitive term: "alcohol use disorder" associated with Lynde. If you have a soapbox argument you need or feel to fight here ("unnecessarily stigmatizing language"), this is not the place to do it. This is merely an article on Paul Lynde; and WP has associated all the terms and disorders to a single page: Alcoholism. As I said, typing in what you have changed merely takes you to the page for what was already there in the first place. Please present a clear argument as to the need for change in regards to this subject; not the topic of alcohol. Otherwise, I will revert on the basis of the above that your point: "unnecessarily stigmatizing language" is personal opinion and not WP policy. Thank you. Maineartists (talk) 23:21, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill for such an innocuous change. There's no "beef" (I suggest not phrasing a question that way, it's rather rude) and I find the escalation of the matter odd. It's really not a contentious change at all to use less stigmatizing language for alcohol use disorders rather than words like "abuse", etc. And no, the literature I referred to isn't in the specific inline citations. I was speaking more generally. Specifically, I was referring to literature dedicated to the importance of avoiding the use of stigmatizing language generally when it comes to discussing or writing about substance use disorders. The need for the change is a systemic one, not unique to this biographical page. Using such terminology inappropriately perpetuates this widespread stigma about that problem. It's simply unnecessary. If you don't see that, then I don't even know where to begin in talking to you. I don't know if you have some strongly held personal or cultural belief about alcohol use disorders that makes you feel compelled to keep stigmatizing language in the article. If so, I can't relate. An example of such literature can be found here . I really don't care about this specific page in particular. For what it's worth, your fixation on reverting me on this page seems excessive and unusual to me. Although this particular cited style tip is slightly different , the idea is essentially the same. It's best practice to use neutral language when referring to a person's substance use disorder. Anyway, do what you want and have a nice day! I have more important things to do.  TylerDurden8823 (talk) 12:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcoholism 

message: Re-adding my previously removed edit because the question Paul was asked was "How many men on a hockey team?". Primary source for this is , an actual recording in which it's quite clearly audible that the word "are" was NOT included in the question. As explained in my previous edit, "How many men *are* on a hockey team?" is a common misquotation and would have meant that Paul's answer ("About half") made no sense. The wording of the question was deliberate to allow for Paul to imply that half the men on a hockey team are gay -- that punchline did not work without the omission of a verb in the question. Gregory 21:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Hockey team quotation