Talk:Egypt/Archive 2

message: I do not agree with friends that have expressed their opinions up there. The term Arab is really undefined and unclear. If it is just explain it. That was just I wanted. This is not racism. Why are you accusing people without any evidence and support. As a non-Arab, I wonder how Egyptians and others like Syrians called them Arab...? For example in the Latin American, they don't believe that they have a special relation with Spain and Spanish people. Their are Latins who were affected by Spanish culture . Be logical. Stay logical. Even Iran and Pakistanis and other countries could have been practicing Arabic and switching Arabic languages instead of their own languages. Would you then have called them Arabs? Although so-called Arabs and Kurds and Iranians and other middle Easterners have almost the same culture with same hospitality and kindness and history, they are different indeed. Egyptians are different that Syrians. The people who try to join them that way with force are really illogical. They may try to do sth better.
Secondly, exactly on contrary to what just you said, that is racism that people who call themselves Arab stress on this issue. Usually those people are accused of racism because they don't treat Kurds and Iranians and Pakistanis and Jews nice. Every logical person would confirm my claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by . 213.42.21.77 (talk • contribs) 
:The question of identity rests on factors not always having to do with origins. Arab identity today is for the most part a nationalist concept. Egyptians in fact were not described as "Arab" in medieval literature, such Maqrizi's, until the 19th century but as either Egyptians or occasionally Copts (inc. Muslims). Egyptians, in the majority, were simply Muslims. It was commonly understood that an Arab in Egypt was a member of the Bedouin and Ashraf minorities, or an inhabitant of the Arabian Peninsula. So it's true that most of those who would consider themselves Arab today are not Arab in origin. Arab nationalists will maintain that anyone who speaks Arabic is automatically an Arab (though it's arguable whether there is only one "Arabic" ). In Egypt (and Lebanon), this question however has been frequently debated. Nasser popularized the idea in Egypt, though when Sadat came to power it was once again relegated. Most Egyptian anti-colonial nationalists until the 30s or 40s were disengaged from Arabism and the newly constructed "Arab world" (the former Ottoman Empire), and some like Mustafa Kamil were openly hostile to the idea. It's a long discussion with strong and heated opinions on each end of the spectrum. If you ask two Egyptians whether they consider themselves Arab, you'll probably get three different answers! For a critique of Arab nationalism from an Egyptian point of view, see Leila Ahmed. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · t 18:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am Turkish and let me say, Meno 25, it is quite ridiculous to state that Turkey is not an arab country. Do you think that Turkey is part of the Arabic World? First and foremost, Turks speak Turkish. As Turkey is established on Anatolian Peninsula and a substantial part thereof is in the European Continent, it is unnecessary to define Turkey as a non-arab country. Don't you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Syuksel (talk • contribs) 21:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arab identity 

message: The Good Article review on this article has ended, with a 3 to 1 vote, this article has been relisted. (The 1 against was the anon who first delisted) Primarily, this was because this anon appears to of just randomly delisted it, that's not right :/. Review archived at Wikipedia:Good articles/Disputes/Archive 8, I think there's a few suggestions in there for the article as well. Homestarmy 20:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: Nowadays in Egypt it is noticed that the population is increasing day by day whereas the population in South Africa is being less.
Is that true?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.50.144 (talk • contribs) 
:Population in Egypt increases by about 1.4 million every year which is a very high rate.
:--Meno25 02:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: ≈I would like to see empirical evidence that all ancient Egyptians referred to their country as Kmt or Kemet or Khemt while the Coptic meaning of this word means black I have not come across a reference that the Egypitans themselves referred to the entire country as that since it refers only to Lower Egypt and not the entire country.  Unless there is substanial proof to justify the statement with references sited I think that this comment should be removed or at least be preceded with the cavet that this is not supported by any historical evidence is only the supposition of Afrocentrism.  I have seen this type of statement continually used in reference to Egypt and all without siting references to justify its use.  Since this appears to be a purely political statement without historical reference it would be better place in such a section rather than one concerned with history of the region Setianheru 20:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kemet

message: I added a  to the statement 'The Egyptian Air Force has roughly the same number of modern warplanes as the Israeli Air Force and far more Western tanks, artillery, anti-aircraft batteries and warships than the IDF has. '
The article author states this without any numbers or sources to his own claims, yet a quick look at globalsecurity.org tells you that Israel has 1681 modern Merkava tanks against Egypt's 880 modern M1 Abrams tanks. The Egyptian Navy consists of sorely outdated Soviet Romeo-class submarines and various handover frigates from the U.S. and Europe, while the Israeli Sea Corps operates cutting edge stealth corvettes and completely new German-built Dolphin submarines. The Egyptian air force operates 224 F-16A and F-16C aircraft, while the Israeli air force operates 85 F-16A and 124 F-16C aircraft in addition to the newly-developed F-16I with 102 on order and 12 of these delivered. The IAF also operates 60 F-15 fighters and 25 F-15I strike aircraft, which Egypt were denied purchase of. The source of the original statement appears to be a paranoid hawk looking to instill doubt and thoughts of future wars. I say, replace the statement with something more factual. --Joffeloff 18:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am definitely no expert here, and am not particularly fond of that section, but I couldn't verify the 880 figure from the source you gave. It also appears a little dated (2001?). AAR, if it's a question of WP:VER or WP:RS, the Haaretz article fulfills both so it doesn't make sense to add the  tag to a cited statement. I am going to reword it to read, "According to..." in keeping with the verifiability requirement, but you might want to balance it by adding other information. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · ☥ 05:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military 

message: In The Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria article, it states that over 95% of Egyptian Christians are of that church, however, this article states taht it is only 90%... what's the correct number? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IronCrow (talk • contribs) 03:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  90% of Egyptian Christians are Coptic? 

message: This isn't correct. Unlike Ethiopia and Eritrea, the Syrian church was never part of or subordinate to the Coptic Patriarch, though they are undoubtedly co-religionists. The churches Ethiopia (and Eritrea) were indeed part of the Coptic church at least in theory, but were granted autocephaly (more or less this means independence) in the 1950s. -- 85.182.127.103 22:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coptic Patriarch has "Followers in Syria"? 

message: Can someone please explain why the segment on religion states that 90% of the population is Muslim when it then goes on to say that 15% of the population is Christian? Perhaps people adhere to more than one? Or maybe someone doesn't know their math. Either way, This is a glaring and confusing mistake, can someone please fix this up.74.99.7.88 02:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: Okay, does Masri/Egyptian Arabic count as a official language of Egypt? NO, as it is only a dialect of Arabic, and if applying this to Egypt, that would mean that we would have to add Syrian Arabic for Syria, Darja for Algeria, Tunisia, Western Sahara or Morocco, so it should get out of the infobox. The languages section has enought place for this.Peace! --escondites 14:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Morocco has Moroccan Arabic listed in the infobox next to the offical arabic and Amazigh. Besides it doesn't matter what other countries have listed, this is an article about Egypt where the spoken language plays a very important national role in the media, a lot more than it does in other countries. It would be ridiculous not to mention it. Egyegy 16:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages at the infobox: Masri? 

message: Some of the history portion is directly copied from the CIA World Factbook's intro...i'm not a wiki expert, but is this standard policy?
Here's the link: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/eg.html#Intro
It could be that the CIA factbook copied wiki. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.140.202.1 (talk) 04:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA Factbook