Talk:Football/Archive 1

message: Made some changes to this page.  Please be patient concerning the new links I've put in - triskelion and scuffleball and the like.  I will provide more information on them soon. - Scooter 07:46, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triskelion and Scuffleball 

message: :1. This Club shall be called the University Foot Ball Club. 
:2. At the commencement of play, the ball shall be kicked off from the middle of the ground; after every goal there shall be a kick-off in the same way or manner. 
:3. After a goal, the losing side shall kick off; the sides changing goals unless a previous arrangement be made to the contrary. 
:4. The ball is out when it has passed the line of the flag-post on either side of the ground, in which case it shall be thrown in straight. 
:5. The ball is "behind" when it has passed the goal on either side of it. 
:6. When the ball is behind, it shall be brought forward at the place where it left the ground not more than ten paces, and kicked off. 
:7.• Goal is when the ball is kicked through the flag-posts and under the string. 
:8. When a player catches the ball directly from the foot, he may kick it as he can without running with it. In no other case may the ball be touched with the hands, except to stop it. 
:9. If the ball has passed a player and has come from the direction of his own goal, he may not touch it till the other side have kicked it, unless there are more than three of the other side before him. No player is allowed to loiter between the ball and the adversaries' goal. 
:10. In no case is holding a player, pushing with the hands or tripping up allowed. Any player may prevent another from getting to the ball by any means consistent with this rule. 
:11. Every match shall be decided by a majority of goals.
I've highlighted 8 as this is the reference to the 'mark' (clearly this is the only time the ball can be handled)  and also the part about loitering in 9 because this is effectivley an offside rule. Thus these rules clearly favour  the kicking gameMintguy (T) 13:56, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Cambridge Rules of 1856

message: :1. The kick from the middle must be a place kick. 
:2. Kick Out must not be more than 25 yards out of goal. 
:3. Fair Catch is a catch from any player provided the ball has not touched the ground or has not been thrown from touch and is entitled to a free-kick. 
:4. Charging is fair in case of a place kick (with the exception of a kick off as soon as a player offers to kick) but he may always draw back unless he has actually touched the ball with his foot. 
:5. Pushing with the hands is allowed but no hacking or tripping up is fair under any circumstances whatever. 
:6. No player may be held or pulled over. 
:7. It is not lawful to take the ball off the ground (except in touch) for any purpose whatever. 
:8. The ball may be pushed or hit with the hand, but holding the ball except in the case of a free kick is altogether disallowed. 
:9. A goal must be kicked but not from touch nor by a free kick from a catch. 
:10. A ball in touch is dead, consequently the side that touches it down must bring it to the edge of the touch and throw it straight out from touch. 
:11. Each player must provide himself with a red and dark blue flannel cap, one colour to be worn by each side
Do you have the first Aussie rules for comparison? Mintguy (T) 13:56, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Sheffield Rules of 1857

message: Now I'm confused. In looking for these original Aussie rules. I get that - Thomas Wills, William Hammersley, James Thompson, and Thomas Smith came together  on May 17, 1859, to draw up a set of rules. What have thse two guys you mention got to do with it? And I still can't find a copy of these original Aussie rules. Mintguy (T) 14:14, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh can can you please create an accoutn and log in. It would make life easier. Mintguy (T) 14:16, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Ok I've found a site with the first Aussie Rules of May 1859. http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/melbourne.htm. Interestingly the site ays ".. 1858 witnessed both the famous 'grand football match' between teams of forty a side from Scotch College and Melbourne's Church of England Grammar School, traditionally regarded as the fledgling code's first manifestation ... the establishment of the Melbourne Football Club was a definite event which can be precisely located chronologically, the earmarking of 1858 as the year in which Australian football was 'born' is a mere convenience, with nothing substantive to back it up.  Football of various sorts had been played in Melbourne for at least twenty years". Thus the first rules of May 1859 is the watershed. Mintguy (T) 14:30, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins of Australian Rules