Talk:Languages of Spain

message: It is perfectly valid to say that Andaluz is a dialect of Spanish. Andaluz is not, however, a dialect of Castilian, which is simply another dialect of Spanish, albeit the politicially dominant one. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:50, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: but it is if you say that "Castilian" is the same as "Spanish", which seems the main idea here.--80.103.139.175 03:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In English, to refer to "Castilian" is specifically to refer to the Castilian dialect. The broader language is simply called Spanish. Some of us who are reasonably bilingual may sometimes use "Castilian" to refer to the broader language (especially if we are talking to a Catalan native!), but if that were our intent we would more likely borrow castellano directly; in any case, the use of either "Castilian" or "castellano" in an English-language context to refer to the entire language rather than a dialect is essentially a Spanglish usage. - Jmabel | Talk 20:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The relationship between what we call "Castilian" and "Spanish" is not the same as the relationship between "Tuscan" and "Italian", where Italian is a derivation of Tuscan. Castilian IS Spanish. You can't specify "Castilian dialect" and somehow exclude "Spanish language", as they are the same thing. In fact, you can say Mexican Spanish (et al) is a dialect of Castilian. 2CrudeDudes (talk) 15:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're not right, actually. While castellano, which you are translating as Castilian, is used as a word indicating the Spanish language as a whole, there is also a dialect of Spanish called centronorteno, which is referred to in English as the Castilian Spanish dialect.131.111.29.227 (talk) 14:30, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Language, dialect, etc.

message: Galician language has an very important book industry and newspapers, even more thatn the basque language. I modificated the article in that way. --81.41.170.57 13:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Galician 

message: the opening sentence:
The most prominent of the languages of Spain is, of course, Spanish (which nearly everyone in Spain can speak and is also called in Spain castellano — "Castilian").
the sentence in parenthesis represents an opinion, unless supported by a citation
PMoney 09:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is absurd. The time spent seeking citations for the obvious and universally acknowledged is better spent making actual improvements to articles. I'm all for citing anything where even minor controversy obtains, but this is like having to cite for the fact that the common English-language name for the country is "Spain" or that it is in Western Europe. A total waste of time. This is one of those cases where I cannot imagine that there is a good-faith doubt about the matter; if you want to track down a citation for it yourself, feel free to waste your time; but please don't ask someone else to waste theirs. - Jmabel | Talk 18:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: The map added by user:Auslli is clearly of less quality than the previous one. Its only improvement is to separate Asturian and Leonese, which by the way are divided exactly by the administrative border, what a coincidence! I want to hear reasons in favor of the new map before removing it. --Jotamar (talk) 11:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Overall, and with all due respect, I am worried about this user's additions, which all go in the same direction and are never properly cited. MOUNTOLIVE  fedeli alla linea 17:20, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of Map 

message: The historical map, with changing colors based on the years, gives the impression that Occitan is the main language of southern France (and that Franco-Provençal is dominant in east-central France), which is definitely not true today. Funnyhat (talk) 01:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical map 

message: I feel like the first sentence...
The languages of Spain are the languages spoken or once spoken in Spain. Romance languages are the most widely spoken in Spain, of which one, Spanish, is the country's official language.
...should establish that Castilian was chosen to be the official "Spanish" language and both names essentially refer to the same thing, so as to reference the existence of other Spanish languages and clear up the fact that Castilian isn't a different language necessarily. 
Just like English comes from England (and England is a region of the United Kingdom), Castilian comes from Castile (a region of the Kingdom of Spain). 
Thoughts? 2CrudeDudes (talk) 15:44, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is discussed in Names given to the Spanish language. Suggest pipe-link it in to the sentence with a reference to Castilian e.g "of which one, the language originally known as Castilian and now usually referred to as Spanish, is the country's official language." DeCausa (talk) 21:41, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Spanish" and "Castilian" part deux (or should I say "dos"?) 

message: If you want to know how to speak Spanish ask me and I will anwser.
                                    Gracias.
                                     (Thank you.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.137.117 (talk) 23:52, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  How To Speak Spanish 

message: Hey,
I'm just presenting as a possibility the idea of renaming this article something like 'Hispanic languages' or something of the sort, as this would shorten the article title, and would make this page more focused on what it is: a page on the languages of the Iberian peninsula; something as major as a linguistics group could be argued to be of more import notability-wise than the linguistic status of a political entity; the content of the latter could be included on the article for Spain itself. This is just my opinion. Please reply if you have anything to say about this. --Joseph Yanchar (talk) 02:06, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibility of renaming and modifying content 

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message: The infofobox section regional varieties is primarily concerned with all those more or less marginal varieties which are not part of the mainstream languages of Spain (Spanish, Catalan, Galician, Basque), to wit: Eonavian (Galician of Asturias), Fala (spoken in 3 towns by the Portuguese border), Portuguese of Olivenza, Cedillo and a few other towns, Caló (gypsy), Erromintxela (gypsy), Riffian Berber of Melilla, Extremaduran of northern Extremadura, Cantabrian (of rural areas of Cantabria). All the other dialects of Spanish are covered under other varieties of Spanish. Including Andalusian here completely distorts the list, as it is one of the main dialects (really a group of dialects) of Spanish, and in fact, depending on your point of view, tha main dialect. Including Andalusian opens the door to a never-ending list, which would make it useless. For those reasons I am completely opposed to the recent editions including Andalusian in the list. --Jotamar (talk) 19:48, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I wrote it in the paragraph reserved for "varieties", in which dialects of languages are included, it should not be an issue. This dialect of Spanish is recognized in the Statute of Autonomy in Andalusia as a linguistic "variety" (this is where I included it in this article) that must be respected. I didn't write "Andalusian language", but instead: "Andalusian dialect", therefore it shouldn't bother anyone. Frariji9 (talk) 13:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven't addressed any of my points. Being recognized in a political or administrative document has zero relevance for that list. Your point seems to be that your dialect is important and therefore it must appear in a very visible place of the infobox. I don't see any other logic in your comments. --Jotamar (talk) 02:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

text: Sorry, what I need is not a source stating that an Andalusian dialect exists, what I need is some sort of rationale to include it in that particular list. --Jotamar (talk) 21:13, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please explain why it's so important to include the Andalusian dialect in that particular list. Just reverting my editions again and again with not even one comment is nothing but a way to waste both your time and mine. --Jotamar (talk) 16:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

text: Ok, I have changed the list. --Jotamar (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andalusian as a ''special'' variety 

message: According to the article, in e.g. Catalonia, Catalan has co-official status with Castilian. What does this mean in practice? Can I file my income tax declaration in Catalan? Can I insist on getting my tax demand served in Catalan (or I'm not paying)? If court procedings are in Castilian and I speak Catalan (or vice versa) can I insist on having an interpreter? Can a landlord validly serve an eviction notice in Catalan (or I'm staying put)? Do laws, edicts, announcements etc. have to be published in both Catalan and Castilian (or I'm going to ignore them)? And so on. And while we're at it, what is the significance of "protected status"? 190.94.102.43 (talk) 19:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does co-official mean in practice?