Talk:Apple pie/Archive 1

message: is apple pie really that american? appletrees didn't even grow in america until the europeans brought them over :S and the english were already making pies of the weirdest ingredients so how could they forgot to try apple? just a googlesearch shows that a dutch painting dated 1626 shows an apple pie. also apple pie is the most popular pie where i live and eaten alot. i always thought of the saying 'as american as apple pie' as somewhat sarcastic, so can anyone maybe explain/clarify what is so american about apple pie? --62.251.90.73 14:29, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: American?

message: Really? An apple pie has apples in it? Please write more than the most blatantly obvious. --mav
*Well, there has been a recipe around for decades now called "mock apple pie", in which Ritz Crackers are substituted for sliced apples.  I wouldn't bother to make one myself, but I have been given them over the years, and you would be amazed at how much they look like, and taste like, genuine apple pies.Hayford Peirce 00:15, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Mock pie, cobblers, etc

message: Apple pie is very popular in the Netherlands too. Americans did not invent or introduced it to the Netherlands. You already plagiarized Santa Claus from our Saint Nicholas. Stop it! :-)  Andries 12:16, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It is clear that apple pie is in no way American.  When I clarified this in the article, two Americans got offended at such an important symbol being tarnished with unAmericanness and started reverting.  This is unacceptable. Chameleon 12:27, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, it is not possible to use that suggestion because the page is protected.  Also, I'd say it is fairly clear.  You may as well say "as American as pasta".  Chameleon 12:39, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular in the Netherlands too

message: The page has been now unprotected and user:Chameleon blocked for this his last personal attack I will except. Edit as you will, I was already gotten assurances from user:Darrien that he will work productively with everyone.
::I've unblocked Chameleon. Theresa Knott  (Tart, knees hot) 18:21, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case may I recommend that the version aat Talk:Apple pie/draft be accepted as the working draft and it replace the 'live' article?Icundell 13:49, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Icundell, I support this replacement. Andries 14:04, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text:  I concur Martin TB 14:22, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text:  But please, do not present that jingo American picture so prominently with a text as if it were neutral. Can somebody please find a more neutral pic? Thanks Andries 14:29, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: I don't exactly support it yet. The caption should be something like "Apple pie with baseball equipments and an American flag" or it is still going too far into the jingo stuff. Revth 14:43, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: I like the American apple pie picture, but I think it's better used to illustrate the American culture section.  Trying to pass it off as "An apple pie" and the like seem a bit jingoistic to me.  As someone has pointed out, the picture was originally on some jingoistic website and its name gives away its extreme cultural bias. --Minority Report 15:02, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  As a UK user, I think that if the picture is in the "Apple Pie in American Culture" section, and is described as such, there is no problem. I think that the picture serves to highlight how the dessert is viewed in America, in the same way that roast beef and Yorkshire puddings are viewed as the archetypal dish of the UK.Rje 19:19, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Unproteted (for good this time)

message: Apple pie is sometimes served with cheddar cheese, but don't see it mentioned in the article. Not sure what the origin of this is...New England? European? British?
CMcCrell (talk) 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Served with Cheddar Cheese?

message: Someone is going to have to update that. When I checked the page out there was one sentance that wasn't suitable for the article.--66.183.157.15 02:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--VirtualDelight 16:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ingredients

message: Duh? Not that's it's wrong or anything, but do we really need people slapping their foreheads everytime they visit this page? Stan weller 06:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. This was added here by a, well, not all that helpful editor. VirtualDelight 09:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Apple pie is usually made out of apples" photo caption

message: Isn't this term common? "As easy as apple pie" is an phrase which I think could be mentioned here. Anyone has any ideas why there's no mention of that phrase? or why or how apple pies are suppposedly easy? tx--Idleguy 18:12, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
:I've heard 'easy as pie', although not any specific type of pie. Wisco 02:50, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Apple pies are fairly easy to make, but I believe "easy as pie" without further specification is much more common. --SodiumBenzoate 05:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  As easy as Apple pie 

message: I encourage the deletion of the following from the article:
    "The Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings (edited by G.Y. Titelman, 1996),       traces the origins of the proverb to a Welsh version of 1866 or earlier:
    Ate and apfel afore gwain to bed
    Makes the doctor beg his bread. "
Reasons to delete it:
1) not actually a proverb about apple pie
2) the proverb is surely from earlier than 1866, since "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" appears in Benjamin Franklin's Poor Richard's Almanac  
--Fagles 01:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "an apple a day keeps the doctor away"

message: Anyone wonder what does that phrase actually referrs to?
As being the title of one of Destiny's Child songs, don't you think its worthy the mention? Or not?
And what about American Pie,
the pie in the movie is obviously an Apple Pie! hehe
Omernos 00:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: in American usage, pie a la mode usually means it's served with a scoop of vanilla ice cream on top.  Schoop 19:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple Pie À La Mode ? 

message: Is apple pie healthy?--60.49.64.179 15:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It can be, if there is little or no added sugar. --67.165.6.76 02:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Healthy?

message: It seems to me that users without a registered account, and come users with a new account cannot edit Apple Pie, but there is no lock, and how are they suppose to know that they can't edit the page anyway, is there something wrong with this page?
:The page is semi-protected due to consistent vandalism. I have added the lock. G.A.S  12:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Lock Button? 

message: "Apple pie in American culture
In the English colonies the apple pie had to wait for carefully planted pips, brought in barrels across the Atlantic, to become fruit-bearing apple trees, to be selected for their cooking qualities, as apples do not come from seeds"
"As apples do not come from seeds?" Was that sarcasm? lol
70.69.111.46 20:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Apples from seeds?

message: I reverted the end of the sentence which described this phrase as metaphorical - otherwise the sentence doesn't make sense. If there's any basis for thinking that apple pies are specifically american (although this seems highly unlikely) then put it back.
:: It also has a self-deprecating meaning, as in 'there's nothing new under the sun'. Hakluyt bean (talk) 22:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: As American As...

message: question of flag etiquette.  Some people would disagree with the use of the flag in the picture.
The flag is not a place mat.
*Flag etiquette is irrelevant, please note that Wikipedia is not censored (and also remember to sign your posts).  Zarcadia (talk) 10:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Re picture with US flag/American cultural symbols 

message: I'm having trouble finding reliable sources that agree with the text in this newly added section:
* More sources say that "French Apple Pie" has a top crust. Here are some examples , , 
* One source says that a "French apple pie" is the same as a "Pennsylvania Dutch apple pie" 
I think the new section needs to be rewritten to reflect sources or removed. JoeSperrazza (talk) 01:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If there's no "standard French style" and/or there's nothing that the French do that's significantly different than anyone else then I think it can be safely removed. SQGibbon (talk) 15:08, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I'll wait a bit for the editor who added that section to weigh in. JoeSperrazza (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Apple pie#French style]] 

message: Raisins are indeed common in Dutch pie, as is a dash of rum.
Many recipes (including those published on ready made apple pie crust mix) call for about half a pound (if not more, I typically use nearly twice that) of raisins soaked in rum to be added to the filling.
Of course the actual recipe used is different for each person cooking it. Another common variation is adding some vanilla or vanilla flavoured sugar.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.232.160.78 (talk) 07:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch apple pie 

message: The history part is a bit short. In case anyone wants to expand it....http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/PieHistory/ApplePie.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8:B580:80B:249D:229A:6424:5718 (talk) 13:08, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  History. 

message: What about serving it with custard (creme Anglais) or milk? More common than cheese, in any case. Slightnostalgia (talk) 11:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Custard, Milk? 

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