Talk:2004 Summer Olympics medal table

message: Hi Andrew,
I see that you are also using the medal tables ranking by number of medals. I have mentioned my thoughts on this at Talk:2004 Summer Olympics medal count. In nearly all other cases wiki goes by set international standards and as both the IOC and IAAF use the number of gold medals as their ranking why on earth are we doing different. Nearly all the wiki standards use internationally used standards and I would presume the IOC and IAAF standards would be classed as international. All of the other Olympic medal tables go by this guide so we would need to amend them all if this (silly) ranking system that we are using continues. As you are one of the main contributers to the olympic pages I thought I would try and bring you onto my point of view.Scraggy4 20:03, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the reply Andrew, I did notice on the athletics for example that space had been made for upto eigth place. I don't think that this will harm the medal tables reverting to the standard usage as these extra places would not be taken into consideration in the ranking normally. I think that the best idea would be to revert to IOC standards at the end of today when all results have been completed and checked, then possibly create a separate page(linked from the main medal table) rating all countries by the top eight finishes as I agree this would make interesting details. I presume you will rank upto eigth place using the system that the IAAF use in the World and continental cups ie; 8 points for 1st down to 1 point for eigth. I had already decided, as there was lack of suggestions as to why the currebt system is as is, to revert all the tables at the end of the today. If you feel like helping I am more than willing to split the sports up between us for speed, but I'll probably be awake most of the night to do it, as I have broken my ankle and am finding it hard to sleep at the moment.Scraggy4 21:43, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: Ok, here's the deal. Show me an example of what you think the medal tables on each sport page should look like, and I will use that. It's best we have a standard for these things. I updated the diving medals, so we have one option (what I did for the shooting events) or the other option (what I did for the diving) and another option using the points method. At the end of the games we could add a 4th-8th place columns which would be interesting! Dividing up the sports might be a good idea, I think other people might be interested as well, there are just too many sports and events for just one person to do! Earl Andrew 21:58, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the standard ones should look like Cycling at the 2004 Summer Olympics#Cycling medal table by country and then either create one page for each sport showing the alternative as you did on the Shooting at the 2004 Summer Olympics before somebody changed it, or one overall page in that style linked from the 2004 Summer Olympics page.Scraggy4 22:09, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Note, I've already changed the Cycling page. Earl Andrew 22:25, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  copied  from [[User talk:Scraggy4]] & [[User talk:Earl Andrew]]

message: What is the policy in use for updating the medal board?  I mean, in some sports, such as Sailing, it is possible for an athlete or a team to secure a medal before the competition is over.  In that case, should that medal be added to the board right away or should we wait until it's all over and the medal ceremony has passed? Redux 16:09, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a comment that say "Please only update to match the BBC medal count: 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics_2004/medals_table/ OR http://www.athens2004.com/en/OlympicMedals/medals (official Athens 2004 count)" on the edit page, So I guess that when these page are updated, you can update the medal board --WysG 21:07, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The medal count for Australia is wrong. There should be an extra bronze medal added (with a resultant increase in the total number), which was awarded some time after the end of the 2004 Olympics due to a drugs charge for the original bronze medallists (it was a team rowing event). The two linked webpages above were published upon conclusion of the Games and was not updated for any changes much later. The country that lost the bronze medal probably has an extra medal that shouldn't be there. I'm not sure if there are any more discrepancies, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were. It is unfortunate that even the official Olympics webpage has not updated correctly http://www.olympic.org/uk/games/past/index_uk.asp?OLGT=1&OLGY=2004 (click on "Medals by country" link on right-side menu). Should Wikipedia update according to what official sites have, even if it's wrong, or should the up to date information be presented?    12:40, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  When to update the board 

message: Shouldn't Eritrea, Mongolia, Syria and Trinidad and Tobago be equal 71st, not equal 70th? Andjam 14:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. See also below Matthewmayer 22:56, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Countries with one bronze only 

message: I compared this medal table to the one on the official website. Hope the information below helps editors in the future!
*In Equestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics - Individual jumping, Cian O'Connor of Ireland riding Waterford Crystal was disqualified after the publication of the final medal table. Therefore Ireland's sole gold medal was removed, Brazil got a gold instead of a silver, USA got a silver instead of a bronze, Germany got an extra bronze.
*In Cycling at the 2004 Summer Olympics - Points Race Women, María Luisa Calle of Colombia was disqualified before the publication of the final medal table and the bronze awarded to fourth placed Erin Mirabella of the United States. This decision was reversed in October 2005 so USA lost a bronze and Colombia gained a bronze.
::: --Above very useful information added by  22:56, 27 November 2005
Found the following additional item:
*Also in Equestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics - Individual jumpingEquestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics#Show_Jumping_2, the German horse Goldfever, who was ridden by Ludger Beerbaum. was disqualified. Germany’s team gold medal was then given to the Americans, and the silver to the Swedish show jumping team. The Germans, however, were still able to take the bronze medal, even without Goldfever’s results. (See Equestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics#Show_Jumping_2.)
The net result of the above three adjustments (when compared with previously published IOC results):
*United States: +1 Gold, net 0 Silver, -2 Bronze
*Germany: -1 Gold, +2 Bronze
*Brazil: +1 Gold, -1 Silver
*Sweden: +1 Silver, -1 Bronze
*Ireland: -1 Gold
*Columbia: +1 Bronze
Country   	Original<BR/>IOC Published	Original<BR/>IOC Published	Original<BR/>IOC Published	Equestrian<BR/>Individual Jumping	Equestrian<BR/>Individual Jumping	Equestrian<BR/>Individual Jumping	Cycling<BR/>Points Race Women	Cycling<BR/>Points Race Women	Cycling<BR/>Points Race Women	Equestrian<BR/>Team jumping	Equestrian<BR/>Team jumping	Equestrian<BR/>Team jumping	Updated	Updated	Updated	Updated
Country   	Gold                      	Silver                    	Bronze                    	Gold                             	Silver                           	Bronze                           	Gold                         	Silver                       	Bronze                       	Gold                       	Silver                     	Bronze                     	Gold   	Silver 	Bronze 	Total
align=left	35                        	39                        	29                        	                                 	+1                               	-1                               	                             	                             	-1                           	+1                         	-1                         	                           	36     	39     	27     	102
align=left	14                        	16                        	18                        	                                 	                                 	+1                               	                             	                             	                             	-1                         	                           	+1                         	13     	16     	20     	49
align=left	4                         	3                         	3                         	+1                               	-1                               	                                 	                             	                             	                             	                           	                           	                           	5      	2      	3      	10
align=left	4                         	1                         	2                         	                                 	                                 	                                 	                             	                             	                             	                           	+1                         	-1                         	4      	2      	1      	7
align=left	1                         	0                         	0                         	-1                               	                                 	                                 	                             	                             	                             	                           	                           	                           	0      	0      	0      	0
align=left	0                         	0                         	1                         	                                 	                                 	                                 	                             	                             	+1                           	                           	                           	                           	0      	0      	2      	2
-- Tcncv (talk) 20:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why this table differs from the IOC one{{Anchor|Why}}{{Anchor|why}} 

message: i added the EU as that seems to be the fashionable thing to do nowadays. just thought it woud be useful for curious reference... Pratj 22:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I removed it because we've had this discussion before, and consensus is that we only tabulate by the National Olympic Committees for each Games.  The EU does not have a distinct NOC that competes at any Games.  The most obvious reason why this is a problematic comparison is that most events have a per-nation quota on number of athletes or teams, and a fabricated multi-national total would not have this restriction.  Look at the medal summary of Sailing at the 2004 Summer Olympics, for example.  Many events have at least 2 medalists from EU nations, but this sport limits each event to 1 boat per nation.  Therefore, you cannot create a true apples-to-apples comparison.   I'm not sure where the "fashionable thing to do nowadays", comment comes from, because we certainly avoid that can of worms on these Wikipedia Olympic pages.  Andrwsc 16:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU 

message: I update gold medal for Russia. They only won 27 gold after the gold medalist in woman shot put was disqualified. Though they theoretically should get gold medal in 4x400m women relay in athletic and Cycling men's road time trial (after Tyler Hamilton returned the gold medal), no further action has been taken by IOC up to today  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.35.138.164 (talk) 07:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russia Gold Medal 

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