Talk:Scotch-Irish

message: moved Scots-Irish to Scotch-Irish; new Scots-Irish; removed usage note. i'm both, afaik it's neither archaic nor offensive. Badanedwa 02:31, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
As a Scot, my grandparents often admonished  well-meaning aquantances that Scotch was a whiskey and not a name for folks of Scottish heritage.  Somehow, the US has used the word for everything from whiskey to butter-scotch candy, to Scotch-tape to hop-scotch.  It is not, however, a term embraced by Scots worldwide. The term, Scot-free comes from the true designation of a Scottish citizen (although it has its roots in folklore that Scots are cheap, -also not embraced by Scots.)   -SL   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.40.172.14 (talk) 14:37, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scotch-Irish? 

message: There is no info on Canada in this section, why is Canada included in the title?
Perhaps someone knowledgeable could add some information. Basser g 01:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scots-Irish in US & Canada 

message: It's not true that most Scots-Irish were on the rebel side of the American Revolution. The Scots-Irish were evenly divided, especially in the Carolinas. 71.68.17.30 19:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balance 

message: I am proposing that this article be merged with Ulster-Scots as they both deal with the same group of people, but under different names and from slightly different perspectives. However, I'd like to test the water first before putting any tamplates up. --sony-youthpléigh 20:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. Both articles are in need of attention and it would be good to pool the "good bits" of both and try to create something better. --John 21:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - I put up the templates. --sony-youthpléigh 23:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Indeed! BilCat (talk) 22:25, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Ulster-Scots]] 

message: This article shoudl be abandoned in favor of Scots-Irish American Shoreranger 03:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, good idea, then disambiguate "Scots-Irish" to "Scots-Irish American" and "Ulster Scots"? --sony-youthpléigh 13:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no such thing as Scottish-Irish (someone born in Scotland, who becomes an Irish citizen)? GoodDay 23:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You aren't by any chance some rabid Irish nationalist who is out to deny the existance of Northern Ireland, are you, GoodDay (as might be alleged against others)!?? See here. --sony-youthpléigh 20:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove article

message: Thank you for suggesting removal of this phony non-article. Anyone with an English dictionary can see that those are not the definitions of those terms. I'm doing this in conjunction with the request for a rewrite I placed on Ulster Scots People. There is not and never has been an Ulster Scots People, only speakers of Ulster Scots dialects. The editors above say banners have been placed. They must have been taken down as I don't see them. We are dealing with editors determined to foist a partisan view of history off as historical fact. I don't think we can let this go by. I've chosen the soft option of demanding revision. We may be in for battle. I can always join you later in putting up deletion requests if the editors refuse to come up with documented material. We aren't or should not be making up history here, even though many partisans have done it.Botteville (talk) 15:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Provisional rewrite

message: The current version is not according to standard English. I therefore put the standard definitions in. These were reverted by Lunker with the reason given that I need consensus. It seems a bit strange to me that correct standard English requires a consensus, but the articles to which this disambig refer adopt a non-standard and unusual view, that Scotch-Irish refers to Ulster Scots. This is clearly wrong, and is not justified by the references (or lack of them) given in those articles. However, I cannot address the issue here because this is only a disambig and does not allow references. The place to address it is in those other articles. This appears to be a longer-term project for me and unless I misjudge we are going battle it out point by point. Truth I suppose is worth it. Once those articles are correct and unbiased, decisions with regard to this disambig should be manifest. However, let's not pre-judge the situation. Once I start a thorough research, I don't know what I shall find. Maybe in some parts of the British Isles Scotch-Irish does mean the Scottish immigrants to northern Ireland. In that case, maybe we need two definitions. Of one thing I am sure as a native English speaker, American Scotch-Irish does NOT mean Ulstermen. I notice right away that the Ulster Scots People article begins with non-encyclopedic references. Well, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.Also, I'm a slow worker and I have a few other things on my agenda. It appears that the article can be considered sequentially so I don't see any rush. A couple of points, Lunker, we should establish. We both know we need reasons for changes or reversions. Second, I can delete unreferenced material without a consensus. Third, if I find other referenced material expressing a different view, I can put it in. Typically though I will try to flag my intent with a tag. Well I need to break now and I need to split my time but I will begin work as soon as I can.Botteville (talk) 21:17, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: To avoid repetition and splitting closely related discussions, see Talk:Ulster_Scots_people#Requested_rewrite. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus request

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: withdrawn. (non-admin closure)  Olchug (talk) 16:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Scotch-Irish →  – There is a primary topic for 'Scotch-Irish' and this is Scotch-Irish Americans. I propose to redirect 'Scotch-Irish' to Scotch-Irish Americans. Olchug (talk) 17:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

text: Because you say so? Mutt Lunker (talk) 17:26, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mutt Lunker, no, not only me, but this is the usage in English reliable sources. You can do a search yourself, but let's take one of the most known book on the subject: . It is clear that by 'Scotch-Irish' James Leyburn almost in all cases means Scotch-Irish Americans. Sometimes though rarely - Scotch-Irish Canadians, but almost never Ulster Scots people in Ireland itself. --Olchug (talk) 17:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ehm, without Scotch-Irish on the island Ireland there would have been no Scotch-Irish Americans at all. So I have to object. The Banner talk 19:38, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

text: Beside that: do you have non-American sources that support your proposal? The Banner talk 19:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am still waiting for some non-American sources to back up your claim. The Banner talk 16:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

text: "Scotch-Irish" can also be a language. The Banner talk 16:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

text: The idea of real and unreal Scots is rather troublesome, more so that the former should tell the latter what to call themselves. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume he means Scots from Scotland, as opposed to descendants of Scots in other countries. But as you point out, not all "real Scots" agree on the issue. BilCat (talk) 22:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That Scots from Scotland are more real or have dibs on what other ones should be called is the very aspect I'm highlighting. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 March 2022 

message: Where this  move to is Scots-Irish, with Scotch-Irish being a redirect. Using "Scotch" in reference to people is a Victorian archaism. Scots-Irish is now the more common spelling, since the 1990s (i.e. since the public Internet put Americans in immediate touch with real Scots).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:30, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea of real and unreal Scots is rather troublesome, more so that the former should tell the latter what to call themselves. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume he means Scots from Scotland, as opposed to descendants of Scots in other countries. But as you point out, not all "real Scots" agree on the issue. BilCat (talk) 22:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That Scots from Scotland are more real or have dibs on what other ones should be called is the very aspect I'm highlighting. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Follow-up comments