Talk:James Kim/Archive 3

message: I'm seeing James Kim's nationality information repeatedly removed and re-added with dispute as to its relevance in this article.  Per WP:MOSBIO, I believe this should be present.  Any opinions?
--Kameron 19:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yes an individual's nationality would be relevant and should be included.--Crossmr 20:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I believe the majority of second-generation immigrants identify themselves as x-American, and that that classification is not limited to those who were born in another country.  I also think that the nationality is a simple two-word fact, and that it doesn't detract from the article in any way.  Why shouldn't it be included?  It may not be relevant to the event, but it's part of his biographical information.  --Cue the Strings 21:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Remember this article is about James Kim as a whole, not just about the few days leading up to his death. He had plenty of notability from TechTV and CNET.--Crossmr 23:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with John. James Kim was an American citizen born in Kentucky; he was not an immigrant, his nationality was "American". He was born to parents of Korean descent (his father's name "Spencer" leads to believe his parents were born in America as well) and could be ethnically identified as "Korean-American" but his nationality was "American". Blacksun1942 19:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Many Asian people take random names of a list upon moving to North America. I once asked a chinese instructor I had about this as he had chosen the name William and his daughter had chosen Grace. There was no significance to them, they simply picked a name they liked.--Crossmr 14:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As to finding out the "origin of the name 'Spencer'", I don't see how this tidbit of trivia will contribute to the larger scope of this article and frankly, it gives a lot more attention to the issue of his nationality and ethnicity than this article really calls for -- not to mention its way of satisfying this peculiar curiosity and fascination non-_(Asians/Koreans)___ may have for _(Asians/Koreans)_.128.111.97.125 02:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I wasn't providing that as anything other than anecdotal comment. You said you weren't aware of where the name originated. I don't think the origin of his father's american name is relevant to the article anyway, I was just letting you know where those names sometimes originate from. Incase you were unaware that that was a practice.--Crossmr 16:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...yet you fail to address your use of the phrase "many Asian people", which clearly is a breach of encyclopedic protocol.  Well put, Crunch (although he did sort of report a "fact"). 128.111.97.125 02:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't the article, this is the talk page. I'm not required to provide a reliable source for every statement I make on the talk page. I was in no way attempting to add that material to the article at all.--Crossmr 03:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: and if you'd like a source for changing, here it mentions asians being encouraged to change their names for database reasons . and our own article on Given name talks about Asians doing so, but its in disparate need of a citation. Here is a citation stating that it is "often" done  and this (INS has since restructed their site, not sure where this is located on the new site)  about immigrants changing their name--Crossmr 03:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Articles on White british people do not say they are white british. Singling out someone's nationality because you see it in a photo is very, well, I'm going to go for racist failing a good alternative of text.--I'll bring the food 17:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality information