Talk:Navy (One Piece)

message: Should we include the sailors from the anime fillers?
:No.  they have a place already! Plus Nelson would cause problems since his rank isn't part of Oda's framework.  One Piece filler characters. Angel Emfrbl 08:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Filler navy

message: I deleted the sentence likening Coby to Naruto from the Natuto series. Rather than goggles, Coby's headwear appears to be his old glasses, and Naruto hasn't worn goggles for 3 years. Despite being a ninja, Naruto has never exhibited speed close to Coby's "soru". They don't look similar either. Anthr4x 12:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coby =! Naruto

message: Can anyone confirm which is the correct name? I've always though it was Jagaur D. Saul.  Angel Emfrbl 07:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to tell. Jaguar is a definite, but his other name could be either Saul or Saulo. While Saul is a more familiar name, Saulo seems to have the same accent, judging by the way "Jaguar" is pronounced. It could be either-or. Personally, I think it's "Saul", but I could be wrong. Lordshmeckie 04:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Saul should be used. Someone once said it was Saul since the pronounciation of the word was similar to how Japanese would pronounce "Saul". There's also the reason that it's correct because of its possible biblical reference like Sodom, Gomorah, and The Tree of Knowledge. It also seems to be most common at the moment. Saul seems to be the right choice by these points. Problem is that the name's realitively new so there seems to be alot of interpretations. Wait for awhile and do a Google search later to confirm it.CalicoD.Sparrow 04:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jaguar D. Saulo, Jagaur D. Saul, Haguar D. Sauro

message: Now we know how important Vice Admiral Garp is, shouldn't he be getting his own wikipage now?
:He would but... Lack of infomation to put on it.  Angel Emfrbl 16:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I think it would be best until we learn more about him. At least until we get a flashback or something Trunksamurai 14:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vice Admiral Garp getting his own page? 

message: ...Thats all I ask... For everyone to wait... Before they update Garp's info.  I know everyone is excited, but we're breaking Arlong Park rules putting them up here so soon.  We didn't do it last week, so lets not do it this week! Angel Emfrbl 21:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: One day...

message: On OPWiki, the German One Piece wiki I found pictures of two Navy officers
All i know about them is that, in German, Tadellos is a "Fregattenkapitän" and Sechseck is an "Oberleutnant". Could someone please translate the ranks and find information about these two elusive officers? Belgium EO 22:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From our very own Wikipedia, Fregattenkapitän is the equivalent of a Commander, and Oberleutnant is, in the NATO military comparison system, equivalent to a Lieutenant Junior Grade.  Magaroja 17:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Further, Tadellos looks like the guy that ordered Luffy and Zoro away from the town where Captain Morgan was ruling over the citizens (he also called for his regiment to salute the two as they sailed away, then placed himself and his regiment on food restrictions for saluting pirates). Magaroja 17:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: They are VERY minor people... Why bother?  Angel Emfrbl 23:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They ARE Marines, are they not?. Justyn from 65.211.248.1 19:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know... The page just seems messy right now they are on.  We have pictures for them, yet only 4 or 5 sentances next to them.  I know thier marines, but I don't think they showed have been included.  Hell I don't even recall their names being said, were they?  Its no biggy though I'm not gonna remove them anyway.  I'm just pointing out we really don't need to include every marine in the series on this page... There is a lot of them afterall.  Angel Emfrbl 20:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Strange People

message: I noticed that the name "Chore Boy" is used as a translation of Zatsuyō, this is an incorrect translation; the proper translation of Zatsuyō would be "various tasks". I will change it unless anyone dissagrees, it's the same thing with "Kairiki Destroyers". (Justyn 00:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a fitting translation considering what they do. A literal interpretation of the words isn't always the best course, and "chore boy" captures the spirit of the term better than simply "odd jobs" or "various tasks." ...And before anyone asks, this doesn't apply to "Navy" vs. "Marines," because the two terms have very precisely specified meanings which are far less open to interpretation. --Julian Grybowski 01:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Like I said, "unless anyone disagrees". But, what I meant was change it to "Zatsuyō" (or the easyer to type Zatsuyou), like changing "Mighty Destroyers" (a fan (mis)translation) to "Kairiki Destroyers" (instead of it's literal translation of "Superhuman Strength Destroyers"). (Justyn 07:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zatsuyō

message: Is that the BEST picture we have of her as a Marine?  Its so poor in quality its not even worth having on the page.  Has someone got an image to replace it with thats much better?  Angel Emfrbl 22:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm gonna find us a new one! ¬_¬'  Angel Emfrbl 08:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There.  Its not the best image, but its higher quality and at least you can see she is a 'Marine' in it.  It didn't take too long either.  Please don't revert to the old one, unless you get hold of a better version of it.  Angel Emfrbl 08:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pretty nice. Good job :). - Tekoteko 10:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Belle-Mere Marine picture

message: I did this for the minor character page, I'm doing it here too.  I'm question the overuse of pictures.  Some of these characters appear once and are gone, never to be seen again.  Do we need a picture of them?  No.  Scrub off a few of the pictures (esp. one that screw up the text layout) and save the quality of this page from being dragged down by the overload.  Angel Emfrbl 22:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no one bothered to sit through and sacrifice a few pictures, and we're being overloaded with even more... I've had to step in a remove all the minor ones.  If they don't play an important role... They don't need a picture.  End of story.  There are risks to having a high pictured page on wikipedia.  Angel Emfrbl 19:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture overload

message: this guy is the big guy that was there at the announcement of luffy's bounty, hes named and confirmed a vice-admiral in one piece blue, he should be added —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.160.194.89 (talk) 03:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirmed. He's a Vice Admiral (中将). I'll add him later, or someone else can. - Tekoteko 05:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Giant 

message: As has been marked in Wikipedia, as of chapter 439, Tashigi and Smoker are now Ensign and Commodore, respectively. However, today marks the second time in as many days that an anonymous editor has changed both of these characters back to their previous ranks on the grounds that there is no evidence. I am not entirely convinced that these edits were made in good faith, but assuming that they are for the time being, I would be happy to provide the "skeptic" editor with pictorial evidence. That is, of course, if they're really serious and not just out to be disruptive. I would appreciate any comments from fellow editors with regards to how we should handle this situation if it continues. --Julian Grybowski 22:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tashigi & Smoker's ranks 

message: Should we add Bogart (frowning Marine always following Garp) here? I really don't knw his name, but a translation at Arlong Park gives it as "Bogart". Lancaster D Mistletoe 18:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Japanese Wikipedia article, his name is ボガード Bogādo, which I would interpret to be something along the lines of "Beaugarde" if there is no known romaji spelling. The problem with putting him in this article, of course, is that his rank is not known to the readers, which makes placing him problematic. --Julian Grybowski 22:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it's Bogart, with the fedora and all. We could add an "Other" or "Unknown Rank" section, but I doubt it's worth the effort for one character. Lancaster D Mistletoe 18:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Garp's assistant

message: Okay we have a 3 powers section and then 3 different articles for the 3 powers.  What I prepose is we merge Shichibukai, Yonkou and the navy page into the 3 powers page.  In doing so, we have 3 less pages for one and we can cut down the Navy info into minium details.  We already repeat info on the 3 powers page from here.  
In any case, we also need to limit this page.  While listing characters is good, we also have a organisation problem going on.  We need to create a table in which all the characters can be listed with info + detail that won't take up much space... Currently we have a confusing mess.  Even if not a table, some other method of handling things would be better... Perphaps a "list of Navy" page as a sub-page to marines?  
My other concern is the Yonkou page is small, as is the Shichibukai one... Anyway, I think it would be best to have details on the 3 powers alongside each other only.  For one it would be easier to handle the info and talk about such things about them if they were together. Angel Emfrbl 08:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Preposed merged

message: Should we add him to this page?
Yes, I think it (:
:A joke character?  Nah! Angel Emfrbl 20:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He appears in volume 45, though. Check chapter 436. --Julian Grybowski 02:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True true... Write him in a "other" or "sub-coordinators" section then is probaberly the best idea. Angel Emfrbl 07:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flaming Attachan

message: Recently, someone attempted to add names to the Admirals present at the Buster Call, though they were reverted for lack of proper attribution. If this forum post is accurate, then the names came out of the just-released One Piece YELLOW: Grand Elements. However, if this is the case, I would recommend that we wait until someone has the book in their possession (or a scan of the relevant page(s)) just so we can confirm / cite it. I'll have it by the end of the month, but if anyone can do so sooner, please do. --Julian Grybowski 17:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I gather, these ARE coming from such sources.  However they are being added in poor way. For example - where is this code:  then details of where its coming from.  Without it, the info is worthless and easily mistaken as speculation.  Angel Emfrbl 18:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buster Call Vice-Admirals 

message: I'm thinking of an idea for this page... However it comes in a table.  
Basically we're getting problems with members of the navy.  As far as I can see the best way of organising characters is how we have it on the One Piece Wiki - High Ranking (admirals, vice admirals), HW ranked marines (lt-vice admiral) and Subordinates + Others.  I think the best thing is to cut all the info out and have basic info.  
While I love the idea of having, we're getting into a mess and its easier now to cut things out and stick to basics.  This has advantages - if we do something simulair to the Devil Fruit list we can have photos of even the basic marines.  It also means every marine is treated the same as the next.  Any notible characters have their own pages already so we don't need to list more info for them. It also brings us back in line with being a encyclopedia rather then a fansite.  If anyone wants more info we have the wikia for that and we'll have to put the character links up.  
This is how I figured characters should go:
*Name:
*Dub name:
*Rank: 
*Duties:
*First Appearance:
Example:
Smoker                                     	Smoker
[[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg -->|150px]]	
[[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg -->|150px]]	Dub Name: Chaser
[[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg -->|150px]]	Rank: Captain (former), Commodore (current)
[[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg -->|150px]]	Duties: See Smoker_%28One_Piece%29 for more details.
[[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg -->|150px]]	First Appearance: Manga Chapter #98, Anime Episode #48
There is room to play around with this.  This is just the primary idea. Angel Emfrbl 19:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Idea for page

message: one piece yellow named the 3 df-using buster call captains, and a few other previously unnamed marines, i think that they should be added —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.8.37.0 (talk) 22:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't see the point in a series this large and a group this large in adding all the minor characters there is.  Unless we come up with a better method of listing everything.  This page is a mess, and I can't get anyone to help sort it out as it is.  Before we add more marines we need to sort out the ones we have.  Angel Emfrbl 07:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  buster call captains 

message: It says that Morgan, Nezumi and Rob Lucci all have their own definitions of Justice aside from Absolute.
I know Lucci has his Dark Justice but what about Morgan and Nezumi? I don't remember any mention of them having their own definitions...  His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono (talk) 02:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They never say that... The only ones who have declared they live by their own justic and are: Lucci, Smoker, Aojiko (however its spelt, states he has a "lazy" justice) and Tashigi.  Angel Emfrbl (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Justice 

message: I have noticed that it has been brought up in another talk page that maybe this page should be merged into the Three Great Powers's "Marine Headquarters" section. It seems the main reason this may not happen is because exactly what constitutes the third great power (whether its just headquarters or the entire navy) is questionable, though this is only brought up on the "The Three Great Powers" article. To me that logic doesn't make sense, since Marine Headquarters controls the Navy, collectively, they make up the third great power. Any thoughts on this and on whether the two pages should merge?74.193.217.105 (talk) 02:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Three Great Powers