Talk:Gerry Adams/Archive 1

message: This  seems to be very close to this article it is uncanny, in fact I would suggest that it has either been lifted from wikipedia or visa-versa. The reason I raise it here that isn't it a breach of wikipedia's lienece to copy an article without citing wikipedia as the source? 194.80.54.90 13:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it was lifted from here, there is reference to this on the discussion page.   I raised the issue of copyright/licensing in the context of another article , but copyright issues have not been properly taken on board by the politics.ie wiki as yet.  I haven't edited there in a while, one of the reasons being a huge amount of information being lifted in from other sources without proper investigation of copyright etc.  I just didn't have time to keep up with the volume of stuff being submitted. --Ryano 14:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Copy Right Violation 

message: Why is there no discussion here? I thought there was one months ago - did someone remove it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.154.81 (talk) 01:39, 10 March 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing discussion

message: Can we cut the diversionary ad hominem attacks.  Whatever his edit history (we all had finger trouble in our early days), he makes some serious points about this article and I agree.  To my reading, this article is far more biased than Orange Order, which is still tagged.  Can we get this straight - Saint Gerry is no Nelson Mandela!  The Provos have delayed reconciliation in Ireland by at least three, maybe four generations.  That is his legacy. --Red King 21:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course I realise that it is a complex situation with many participants, and the blame game does not take us forward. But I can't accept an article that air-brushes the past - his or anyone elses's.  The material has to be factual and honest.  I certainly do believe that "the Provos have delayed reconciliation in Ireland by at least three, maybe four generations", but I recognise that as opinion, not fact - so it doesn't go in the article.  The same editorial "blue pencil" has to apply to the near-hagiography material originally here too! --Red King 00:38, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Get back to the point

message: What has happened? Everything has gone very quiet on this article. Is it so POV, so far gone, that there is no one out there to save it? We need a saviour! Wallie 20:14, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It still read too much like Adams is a totally disconnected outsider who came to make peace.  I've had another go, in particular adding the R word, which I suspect he doesn't like. He would do well to read the wiki article Truth and Reconciliation Commission. --Red King 00:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Jtdiri and Red King. To my mind, the article is starting to look better now. My own view of the major players on both sides is that their intention is to stop the fighting, let all people in NI have a chance, irrespective of their religion and to let the future evolve naturally. It is important that we present the major players on both sides using a similar style of writing about them. Wallie 07:58, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Alls quiet on the Western Front

message: Very Interesting all of this. Firstly. Michael Mc Dowell is notorious for his sweeping statements that are never backed up with evidenvce. Hes constantly bashing Sinn Féin with very hostile remarks but never elaborates further when questioned. He is just one of many southern politicians who fears the political threat poised by Sinn Féin. His comments about the IRA involvement in The northern bank stand out most for me because he plainly said that MArtin Mc Guinness and Gerry Adams are and always have been on the Army Council- But as of yet no proof has been produced to back any of this up. A few politically motivated arrests but little else. Gerry Adams being a racist? Im not going to even bother trying to argue that because the person seems to be fairly narrow-minded and tragically bigoted! I agree with one of the statements made and that is that both sides have dirt on their hands but I have to remind the Unionists here that the majority of nationalists and catholics were committed to civil rights until 13 innocent people were shot and the British Government began to pass laws making it impossible for marches to take place legally. We were backed into a corner, what other option were we given, we were a minority under constant attack and before the sabotage of the Civil Rights the IRA and Sinn Féin were fairly insignificant, You cannot oppress a people then oppress them some more when they campaign for their rights peacefully and not expect them to turn to other methods.
That's one of the best written statments I've yet seen here concerning the Troubles. However, could you please sign it? Happy New Year, Fergananim 20:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: um, pre-holocaust Hitler? --Grollum 00:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Alexander the Great Wallie 15:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A notable homosexual? Odd choice for the leader of "Save Ulster from Sodomy".... --Kiand 15:40, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ian paisley is not  a terrosrist. Unlike a certain Mr. Adams. Cicero Dog 19:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  he is, infact, a reverand, I believe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.9.230.246 (talk) 21:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: McDowell, Sinn Fein, the Troubles ...

message: Regarding Gerry Adam's name in Gaelic, i've met Mr.Adams a numerous times and he insisted i either called him 'Gearóid' (Gerry or Gerard) or an tUasal Mhic Adaim (Mr.Adams), because he knew I had fluent Irish and was insulted that I called him Gerry. Therefore, i do think the Gaelic version is relevant and almost crucial. Mr. Adams is fluent in both English and Gaelic (Irish). —Preceding unsigned comment added by John McCarthy (talk • contribs) 16:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerry's name in Gaelic 

message: Hello, I think the article is good, a few things jump out at me:  
*the bit on the  "Dissembling Tactic"? There are other issues around this too afaik.
*he was interned in 1972 on HMS Maidstone, then reinterned 1973-1977. Sinn Fein bio He also tried to escape twice.
*details on the 2nd Dail mentality preWW2 appear in other articles so will try to link
*Is it worth including a bibliography?  Doesnt he publish a lot?
*FRU agent "Martin Ingram" says that the ammo Brian Nelson gave out to kill Adams was deliberately tampered with to prevent Adams death. British Intelligence wanted Adams kept alive. 
Like the article though, hard issue to be nuetral POV on.  Fluffy999 16:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a Bibliography-he's written quite a large volume of material. Although I only have complete details for some of the books.GiollaUidir 20:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor Details