Talk:Secret Service code name

message: I have found and added five relevant Wiki Categories for this article; with "Good Intentions," I will now remove the Categorization tag. We can all discuss this here, on the talk page. By the way--I would love it if this list could be expanded. What were U.S. Vice Presidents called? Al Gore once joked on the David Letterman Show that he was so boring that, "My Secret Service codename is Al Gore." ProfessorPaul 02:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Five relevant Wiki Categories found

message: I've read online the suggestion "Phoenix." (Really don't see how it could be beat, since it analogizes so well with his having been a Navy flyer, being from Arizona, and rising from the dead during the campaign.)--Justmeherenow (talk) 20:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What is McCain's codename?

message: I added a couple of images to illustrate some of the people in question. 3 images is probably a good number. I'm still kind of a "noob" with images, so feel free to fix my mistakes if I made any, or put in some different images if you don't like my choices (the one of the Clintons I mostly used because it demonstrated 4 people, so I'd like to keep that one in at least). I wouldn't add any more images, though, 3 seems like a good number. I tried to find one "fictional" example, but I couldn't find any non fair use images for it (an image in this article doesn't seem like fair use to me). --UsaSatsui (talk) 21:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More tinkering 

message: I suspect (but can't confirm) that one of the two codenames for former first lady Barbara Bush should be attached to the younger Barbara Bush, twin of Jenna Bush. Anyone else have a way of determining this? JamesLucas (" " / +) 18:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The two Barbaras 

message: Why on Earth are these codenames public knowledge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.111.99 (talk) 22:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The secret service release them. If you google "secret service codenames" then there are hundreds of newspaper articles which explain the practise. Darrenhusted (talk) 09:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public? 

message: A huge number of these codenames seem to come from one website www.2600.com . This does not appear to be a reliable organisation, and I propose that anything solely referenced by this website is removed. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This header for the website makes it look like a conspiracy theory site. It may be marginally more respectable than that (it has a print edition) but why should a magazine devoted to hacking (by which they mean illegally gaining access to computer systems) be considered a reliable source of info about the secret service? DJ Clayworth (talk) 18:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be. The "computer hacking" part of the SS is different from the "protecting Presidents" part. But anyways. I think it would be a good idea to lean less heavily on that source, but I don't think it's "not reliable" enough to be used as one. I -really- don't think they got the Bush families right, now that I look at it. --UsaSatsui (talk) 18:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  a) the website seems to have a very antagonistic view of the Secret Service, which I think makes them suspect when writing about it, whatever the separation between the parts b) if they got the Bush family wrong, doesn't that make them unreliable for the others? DJ Clayworth (talk) 19:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They didn't necessarily get them wrong. They just aren't differentiating between Bushes with the same name. --UsaSatsui (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Kudos, Rtphokie. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreliable source 

message: William Manchester's The Death of a President has a good list of codenames for people and locations used in late 1963; he had interviewed many Secret Service agents, including some who had left the service, so the list is no doubt reliable. He gives Castle as codename for the White House, Crown for the Capitol and Charcoal for the president's temporary office rooms/base when not at Washington. Does anyone have sources for other codenames that have been used for the White House (it would change now and then) and other high-profile locations? Strausszek November 14, 08.32(CET)
*Add them! If you need help with citing the book, we can do that. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any sources for any other locations except the ones I added a while back ("Cobweb" for the VP's office still amuses me). --UsaSatsui (talk) 07:54, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  White House codename? 

message: Does anyone have references for the terms for the Cabinet Officers? Some of them seem rather odd.Naraht (talk) 21:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cabinet officers 

message: There's no reason for duplicate entries on the list...particularly when both Bill and Hillary had the same codenames even though they "qualify" for multiple positions on the list (as President/family and as Candidate/family). The question is where to list them. Bill should obviously be under President. Hillary, though, I'm for putting her as a "candidate" instead of a "family member". Seems more prestigious to me. Comments? --UsaSatsui (talk) 06:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that is where they should go, however a comment of (See Candidates with a link to that section for Hillary Clinton) or something like that might be useful. A comment in the other direction for Bill may be useful as well.Naraht (talk) 16:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

text: *The problem is completeness. I was looking for Hillary's secret service codename. I found Bill Clinton, under a heading which said "Presidents and their families". No Hillary listed. I went off on another fruitless Google search for the information I needed, only to discover it was indeed on the page but not next to Bill where, by the heading, I had been expecting to find it. And under the heading "Presidential candidates and their spouses", it appears that Hillary has no spouse or that the secret service has not given him a codename. I think it would be better to have the full information in both places even if it then appears twice, than leave a reader with the impression that it had been forgotten, did not exist, or that the page was incomplete. And by the way, calling it is duplication is inaccurate: the information does appear twice, but it is appropriately formatted under the appropriate heading. Duncombe (talk) 18:42, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *So what about others who qualify multiple times? It doesn't make sense to do it for one person and not for another one (Al Gore, for example. -UsaSatsui (talk) 23:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

text: *Certainly if there are persons who fit in two categories, I agree they should appear in both places. Also, how long is this "Candidates" list going to appear on the page anyway? In four years time will anyone care? Someone might want to know what the codename of a person who was a candidate for high office. Where do they find that information if all the people on that list have been removed becuase it is no longer topical? Should there not be a list of all people who have ever achieved a SS codename, without any categorization? That way there is no danger of repeating a name, and duplicates can be unequivocally removed. Duncombe (talk) 16:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I think I'm actually for eliminating the "Candidates" section and moving them into the other sections as appropriate (this would solve the issue at hand, too, actually). I'm completely against ust making one single list, though. I say "Presidents and families", "VPs and families", "Government officials", "Other individuals", "Locations and objects", and "Fictional". It may also be a good idea to include a note that the indented people are family members, so the headers don't have to be "...and their families". --UsaSatsui (talk) 19:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill and Hillary 

message: Why does the photo caption say that one of his codenames was "Sawhorse," and the main article say that it was "Sundance," with no mention of any other? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.22.48 (talk) 03:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Al Gore?

message: Marian Robinson, Barack Obama's Mother-in-law is moving into the White House with the Obamas. (last parent of President or First Lady in the White House were in the Eisenhower and Truman administrations) I would guess then that as a close family member, she would receive a codename and that it would be appropriate for the article. Has anyone seen anything?Naraht (talk) 14:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marian Shields Robinson - Michelle Obama's Mother 

message: That wasn't seriously Al's daughter's name, was it? Quite unfortunate (yet hilarious) if it was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.121.64.48 (talk) 01:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Smurfette?

message: I don't consider NNDB to be a trustworthy source, working on backing it up with other references and eventually deleting it.Naraht (talk) 16:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  NNDB inappropriate... 

message: Should this include the use by the Secret Service of "Mrs Johnson" for Lucy Rutherford? https://books.google.com/books?id=gvskicb_UTsC&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=%22secret+service%22+fdr+%22mrs+johnson%22&source=bl&ots=8DCFmBs-sX&sig=KMpnzPC2r7aXqxq5cW4nwNazWGs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBWoVChMIg5jahYqHyQIViaw-Ch3FeAzU#v=onepage&q=%22secret%20service%22%20fdr%20%22mrs%20johnson%22&f=false and other sources...Naraht (talk) 00:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mrs. Johnson for Lucy Rutherford? 

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message: Robert Kennedy is conspicuous by his absence from the list here, all the more strikingly so since his wife Ethel is included (and because he was assassinated). Could someone please find out what codenames were used for him? He must have had different ones as attorney general and as a presidential candidate in his last year.
Also, his nemesis J. Edgar Hoover? :) 83.254.130.21 (talk) 22:25, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ethel Kennedy and a lot of the other people from that time period are from The Secret Service of Alan Kahn and Robert Kennedy doesn't appear to be there. I agree that he is likely to have one (as did Hoover), but we can only go with what is published. Should you find out the names for either RJK or JEH, they *certainly* would belong on this page. Also, since Presidential candidates are protected *because* of his death, he probably didn't have a code name due to that. However as his brothers AG, he might well have had one.Naraht (talk) 14:41, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bobby Kennedy?