Talk:Tullece

message: All right, where has it been said that Tullece is in Sparking! NEO? Thus far, I've not seen screens or any other mention of him in the game. The S 06:37, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sparking! NEO

message: I want to know why Tullece looks like Goku so much. Later!!! 205.188.117.74 20:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lookalike 

message: We can actually say that Akira Toriyama designed Tullece, because Tullece looks exactly like Goku, and Goku was designed by Toriyama. Jienum
:Unfortunately not, because he didn't design everything there has to do with the character, unlike Bardock, a Goku clone Toriyama did design from the ground up Voice of Treason 04:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I meant was, Goku and Bardock look exactly like Tullece, so it can be said that Toriyama did design Tullece, didn't he? Jienum 19:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because he didn't. That's like saying if I drew a really good picture of somone who looks like Vegeta, then Toriyama is the one who came up with the character design. Just because the character was based on somone created by Toriyama, doesn't mean Toriyama did the design.--KojiDude 19:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design 

message: The work put into it is commended, but the new text was not to the quality of the first, which can be seen as comparison. In addition to unencyclopedic prose, there's hyperbole, play-by-play, removal of links, and odd phrasing and content. The main reason it seems to have been done was to lengthen the section so a second picture could be added, which then interfered with the text below. Pics don't come before content. Voice of Treason 00:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. This is especially true since there are ample amounts of images of this character already on this page, not to mention spread across the internet. The S 02:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Please don't revert to the melodramatic synopsis again. It's full of prose, hyperbole to the extent of being near parody, and play by play that belongs nowhere near anything claiming to be an encylcopedic reference. The arrangement is fine as well. Just because other DBZ articles are set up poorly doesn't mean this one uniformly has to be. Voice of Treason 07:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the pure-Japanese title necessary in the section title? Can we just have the translated title (instead of "Chikyou Marugoto Chou-Kessen", we have "Super Deciding Battle for the Entire Planet Earth")? -- RattleMan 07:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. It's a proper translation, so that's certainly doable, and probably should have been set that way for a long while since its policy to provide those where available. So you're very right - the new title will also keep readers from mistaking the title of the dub as the translation for the original; it works out for the best for everyone. I think I'm wording myself as a bit of a jerk when I really don't want to be, but there seems to be a legitimate difference in quality between the two edits. To me and at least one other, anyway. Voice of Treason 07:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Write-up

message: Does anyone have this fake image of Tullece as a costume for Bardock in Budokai 3 as mentioned in the trivia section? Takuthehedgehog 07:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tullece as Bardock skin?

message: the thing is Thalès, awkward katakana translation of TARESU officially "TURLES" in the french dub version (that existed a decade before the english vers) was probably not said to be the brother of gokou (i saw it in the 90s can't remember) BUT, a DBZ guidebook labelled as "Bible", hence people thought it was official while it wasn't, was published in france. it was something like 1996, it was by the time DBZ budokai ultimate battle 22 (for 22 playable CHR) for PS1 and shin butoden (27 CHR, i think) for segasaturn were released in japan. what you have to know younglings, is this bible had a family tree were Thalès was presented as gokou's brother. hence every kids in france thought there were brothers (twins).
actually if you look at them closely you'll notice they are different, different face, skin and haircut. i think it was toriyama's way to represent the saiyans and to show a character similar to gokou. remember this character was one of the first sayajin to be created. however the theory i've red here about the face being the same for all low-class saiyans is poor and false. just compare gokou's father with his teammates... they have nothing to do, one is bald, another is fat, another looks like one of tullece's sidekicks (except the latter is not a saiyan). claiming Thalès is gokou's brother is a mistake as big as trusting Videl is a relative to Seripa just because they are designed almost the same. it's just toriyama's character design similarities, as seen in dragon quest/chrono trigger or trunks and his clone ackman. once people outside japan thought ackman was trunks young (it was years before DBGT & chibi trunks). toriyama did flaws, like this theory that the saiyajinh haircuts are the same from the day they are born until the end (it was said in the french dubbed tv series), imagine nappa newborn... or gokou's father's bald teammate. mirai trunks' haircuts are different same goes for gohan during the cell game.
*the following are scans from an official source, the original anime comics published in japan in 1990 (Jump Comics Selection collection) imported by me circa 1994/95:
*tullece manga scan 1 (front dust cover)
*tullece manga scan 2 (back dust cover)
*tullece manga scan 3 (1st page w/"character guide" appendix mention)
*tullece manga scan 4 (tullece in "character guide" appendix)
*tullece manga scan 5 (tullece "character guide" appendix detail)
*tullece manga scan 6 (manga excerpt)
as you can see people (and fellow citizen compatriotes) there is no mention about brotherhood between the characters. it's just the french adaptation and guide were not cannon to toriyama. tullece is a regular saiyajin not kakaroto's twin.
*and now this is scan of the famous family tree available "DBZ bible" published in france in the mid 90s:
*(the original french mistake: family tree feat. "THALES Twin of Son Goku" in the DBZ guide "bible")
notice the awkward spelling for "BADDAK", "RADITZ", "THALES". in the french dub version "Mr. Satan" is known as "Hercules" (Heracles) another non canonical adaptation that was inherited in the english dub version apprently.
Paris By Night 22:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: an old frenchman's confessions

message: Ok, who thinks that the page should be redirected to the list? Any thoughts? Power level (Dragon Ball) 00:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm personally against the merger, but I may be personally biased because it took me effing forever to write the original (much longer) article. But ig it does indeed become merged, I'd like his involvement in Gaiden at least mentioned. The S 04:09, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger