Talk:Emo (slang)/Archive 2

message: This page is much more useful than the music one as a simple explanation of what Emo actually means.  I read the music page and was none the wiser.  I read this one and I get it.  Thanks to whoever's responsible. --Cardinal Wurzel 22:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kudos 

message: What's with the Hal jordan? --69.247.65.212 06:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hal jordan? 

message: Should the Emo Song be mentioned in this article? --Schwarzes Nacht 13:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely! Haha, it should say something like "this is a song about stereotypical emo culture with a background of keyboard demo music" and there should be a link to it. --InformationOverload 10:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo Song? 

message: "Emo is a slang term used to describe complete homosexuals. F-U-C-K YOU WIKIPEDIA, GO DIE IN A FIRE!!!"
That is the first sentence of the Emo (slang) page on July 29, 2006. – SilverBulletx3talkcontributions 14:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some people try way too hard. --Onias 14:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody has some problems to work out. I'm glad that the article is locked now.Duckmurderer 05:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you need to calm down. you have way too much time on your hands to come to wikipedia to just bash on people. at least i am here for a reason to help out people and spread happiness and well-being. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.165.19 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism: July 06 

message: The term "emo" in relation to music, is getting more and more distorted. It has been used to describe bands of completely different natures, and as such is normally unreliable. Depending on who is being asked, emo is used to describe "post-hardcore" bands such as Rise Against, to softer bands such as Dashboard Confessional. Emo as a term in the music industry has become distorted and so encompassing it is completely unusable.
Why was this undone, sourced or not it is accurate, and if it is not up to your standards then edit it not delete it. Emo has become a term that relates to anything and everything music and this article needs to say something about it. Emo can no longer even be considered a viable genre as too many completely different bands are being placed under it. At least put the main idea of the above into the article. Or give a reason its not true here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.0.62 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yea. emo (the style) is totally music based. That is where emo styles came from. 'Scene', on the other hand, is style based. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.165.19 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needless Unedit 

message: This article sucks. It needs a complete rewrite or be deleted, it is completely unhelpful and undescriptive of both the actual culture, the precieved culture, and the music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.0.62 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the slang word, not the music. Don't see the point in deleting it, as it is, in my opinion, a good basis for building something bigger and better. --krikkert (Talk) 21:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but the term is related to all those things —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.0.62 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You've got that right. --Chavila 15:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible 

message: Quite frankly, I find this article to be beyond offensive and one-sided.  Just because someone wears girl pants and dyes their hair DOES NOT MAKE THEM EMO.  And also, someone is "emo," not "an emo."
Emo, within the blanket of scene, is an extremely offensive term, and I think that needs to be addressed without someone being completely ignorant.  Not saying I'll do this, but one day, someone's going to mess with the wrong "emo kid" and get their teeth knocked out. :] --Ridethefire3211 03:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lots of people say they are emo, but they just dress in black and call themselves emo. I have yet to meet a "real" emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.136 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I would call a "poser" or a "wannabe". --UnDeRsCoRe 22:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also a wikipedia article on the word fuck, not to mention the list of ethnic slurs. "Emo" is a real thing, and wikipedia articles are about reality. Get over it. --Last_Drop_of_Sanity 21:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In General 

message: vintage → vintage --148.81.137.2 09:47, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[vintage]] → [[vintage clothing|vintage]] 

message: It is not possible to give a clear definition of emo that everyone will understand. As a matter of fact, it is impossible to do anything related to emo that anyone will understand. Hmmmm... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.61.66 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why try? 

message: "EMOFAG" is a particularly ongoing and common phrase as an insult. I reckon the article should contain it for reference... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crystaliser (talk • contribs) 03:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Second that! --Kestrel 19:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Emotard" & "EmoHomo" are other slang/insults that should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.212.95.204 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Emo Slang" 

message: You guys are hilarious. Emo can mean so many different things to different people. I have a friend who says "I'm feeling emo" when she's feeling amotional, sad, depressed, etc. But you guys are hysterically funny. You all have just proved that, at least on this talk page, anyone who is emo will come to wikipedia to scream and cuss at each other to prove that they are right about a topic that is so new and vague that no one actually has the "definition". You all have made my day. God bless! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.163.212 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually what happened was, the people with actual SENSE defined "Emo (Slang)" just fine, but then the emo kids came along and complained because their specific situation was not addressed in the article. --Last_Drop_of_Sanity 13:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hysterically funny and...emo? 

message: Nemos are an emerging subclass of the emos, and not all is known just yet. But what we do know, is that "Neo Emo (Nemo)" is a title given to a person who once was an "emo", but has taken it to a whole different level. I.E. The new breed of "emo." One such example is the lead singer of "My Chemical Romance." Prior to the renewed interest in the band, he was a blatant emo. However, with the debut of his new song, his hair has been dyed white, and his clothing style has made an obvious change. Neo-emos, follow many of the same rituals as a emo, but with some obvious visual differences. Update this article at . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scyufg (talk • contribs) 17:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is absolutely preposterous. To even think about making an addition to this article for such a trivial reason is ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poj21 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that's not really true if a person isn't emo then they are not emo --207.69.136.200 02:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neo-Emo (Nemo) 

message: To put it simply, this article is complete and utter tosh. It needs a total re-write, and I am seriously consideing starting the whole thing again. Any thoughts? From people who have no opinion on 'emo'? --HawkerTyphoon 01:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't we mention that Emo's can't fly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jameskeates (talk • contribs) 08:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly. Wikipedia is striving for more incisive information than Britannica. Poets might also want to know what "emo" rhymes with. --Rintrah 07:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chemo. Remo (as in a slang term for remedial). If you mumble a little, lemur. It's an endless world of possibilities... --86.0.232.60 10:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I may be old and out of the loop, but from my perspective all I see are a bunch of Melodramatic Kids in makeup and dark cloths pretending to be worldworn intelectuals (can you say GOTH 2.0?) Before the Goth were the Rebels. Before the Rebels were the Beat kids, before the Beat kids.... You get the Idea. Sorry EMO kids, you are not original no matter how desperately you want to believe you were the first generation to achive social and political awareness and dispair at what you've found. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.197.126 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wear the clothes considered 'emo', but i don't prance around cutting and saying "I am so rebel, I am an intellectual, and i am the first group to have achieved this"... i just prance around saying... "I don't look like you... so what?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.165.19 (talk • contribs) 22:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What you just said is a stereotype. So is the comment above yours. It's almost impossible to define "emo," because everything who's "emo" defines it differently. Everybody's different, so every emo isn't going to be a carbon copy of the next one... therefore, every emo defines "emo" differently. Not only that, but in my opinion, if there are so many definitions of "emo," either most people are emo or almost nobody is. That said, This article should be about the emo stereotype, instead. Either that, or include as many definitions as possible. Who agrees?? --Chavila 15:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An article on the stereotype would be easier to verify, but on the contra side, there would be more whining on the talk page. I think the title Emo (slang) warrants a description of the stereotype in the article body because the slang more strongly connotes it; whereas if it were called Emo subculture, the article should describe the subculture. Whatever the case, the drama on the talk page is fun to observe, notwithstanding the wretched state of the article. --Rintrah 16:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose you're right, and yes... the drama is interesting. --Chavila 22:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-write 

message: Emo is more than just slang, I believe the article should be divided into an "Emo (subculture)" article, because there are many things other than the slang, the article would list typical things about emo basically just like this article, just maby include steriotyped and stuff of the emo as well as many other things, I know, I am basically an emo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.157.105 (talk • contribs) 04:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo (subculture) 

message: the page is protected but still says "emo people are extreme homosexuals". can someone please fix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.72.98.45 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, bit of an oversight there. (Fixed it... didn't need to be an admin though, just need to register). --SColombo 06:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can an admin please correct this? 

message: Ok, from what I can see, there are two conflicting stories on the history of emo, one takes it from "emotive hardcore," and one from "emotional hardcore." Someone who knows more about this topic then I do should find some actual sources for which one is true, because they're both different (one's from the 90's grunge scene, one is from the mid 80's), and I'm really curious as to which one it is. --Last_Drop_of_Sanity 22:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For a good history check out . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phrogged (talk • contribs) 15:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Removed "Emo people almost always have short hair and anyone with long hair is not emo," as it conflicts with the popular stereotype as well as the caricature further down the page. --TH89 06:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hair 

message: This has got to be the best explaination of "emo" out there. But, like the article says, it really is hard to find an exact definition because everyone has a different view of "emo people." Coming from a person who is friends with many people who could be considered "emo," I think this article is pretty accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackdiamndbordr (talk • contribs) 17:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accurate article 

message: There is no slander, but merely an in depth description of the current "state" or what "emo" means and how people react to it. I'm pleased with it's present form. --Altonbr 00:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excellent Article at Present State 

message: Stating that "emo" is a misnomer as the primary definition of the word is COMPLETELY inappropriate.  First and foremost, it is a slang term.  It has always been a slang term.
But, going further, calling it a misnomer is simply an opinion, particularly since the "original" definition is dubious.  Ian Mackaye thought that the term "emo" was bullshit in 1986 link.
"Emo" is whatever it's being used to describe.  It's most widespread definition is the one being used today.  It evolved into the term it is today - calling the modern version a "mistake" violates WP:NPOV. --ChrisB 03:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misnomer 

message: While I realize that many people who either take on the title of Emo, or deface it, the topic itself isn't up for debate. Society as a whole decides the connotations of certain slang words, such as emo. If you consider yourself Emo, welcome to the real world. Most people think you guys are whiny, annoying brats. The topic should not be put up for debate because you think "Zomg, My Chemical Romance is SO not emo." The fact is, society decides whom to include when they discuss emo. Slang is decided upon by the informals who use it. If we say emo means you wear your hair over one eye, then we are correct. By the Way: If you think I have no room to talk on the subject, most of my favorite bands are considered "emo". —Preceding unsigned comment added by InflamedThought (talk • contribs) 17:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of Emo (Slang) 

message: Someone needs to make a topic about wrist cutting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.49.202.50 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can if you like, if you can make it conform to encyclopedic standards. Then, like some magical science experiment, you might find posts bubbling on the talk page as a result. --Rintrah 17:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrist cutting is a form of self harm to relieve the user from depression. Gothics were the first to perform this and they did it as a distraction from emotional pain. The physical pain overcomes the emotional, which gives them "relief". twisted... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.233.47 (talk • contribs) 09:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I though the difference between a emo and a goth is the cutting, and it isnt juz the wrist, i spoke to a emo on msn, asked him wat other stuff he did to himself, he burnt himself, threw himself downstairs and into cars, cut his wrists,knuckles,palm,leg and rarly his neck and drowning himself. thats all i remember, so cutting isnt the only thing they do -Zakyboy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.236.1.231 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Self-harm predates goths by a little bit (not much, just a century or two or several). The reason it is performed is that physical pain releases natural endorphins, which can make you feel happier. As for Zakyboy - what? --Switch 02:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: HEY! I happen to be emo and i know thay dont all cut themselfs! cutting is for suicidal emos... sure were depressed and stuff but thats only because of what people say about us. we get critisized over all that junk and it only makes our lives worse so cut it out! (not literally) —Preceding unsigned comment added by XxsheronxsyndromexX (talk • contribs) 06:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrist Cutting 

message: I really don't see how the term "emo" is ever going to be defined fairly, as too many people seem to feel too strongly on the subject. There does not seem to be enough impartiality over the issue.
Granted, there is some validity in the claim that some emos are just looking for attention; however, there is equal truth in the statement that some emos probably do suffer from bipolar or other forms of depression. 
Different people like different elements of the emo culture, and so participate in it for completely different reasons - for instance, some girls may become emos because they find male emos attractive, and vice versa; it could be that some boys want to explore their sexuality covertly and believe that the naturally feminine emo "look" gives them the oppurtunity to do so; it may just be that, in a certain school, "emo" is in vogue and therefore people just conform to it for the sake of having friends.
I do not believe this issue can ever be black or white, because there are so many different interpretations and beliefs as to what it means to be emo.
Therefore i believe that all that can be done, here, is for everyone to forget their personal views on the subject and remember that they are here to document and explain as many different kinds of emo as exist, and the general, prevailing trends within the culture. Impartiality should be the watchword, for this project, surely? --Leowatkins 10:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are my hero! I totally agree with you, Leowatkins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackdiamndbordr (talk • contribs) 17:57, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thankyou leowatkins i totally agree and all i have to say is those types of things start school shootings such as the one at north pole middle school in north pole alaska. when you label someone it changes them first of all, and second it drives them nuts enough for them to crack, freak out, and kill everyone. thankyou —Preceding unsigned comment added by XxsheronxsyndromexX (talk • contribs) 04:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definiton of Emo - an impossible task, surely? 

message: Dashboard Confessional is not Emo Music. Stuff like Hawthorne Heights is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.239.239 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hawthorne is really more post-hardcore or pop-punk in my opinion --Burger king 03:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dashboard is emo.  I offer no evidence to support my claim because I just don't care. But it is. --Kestrel 05:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is not about Emo (music) but about the common slang usage.  Because emo (slang) draws is meaning from being emotionally unstable, Dashboard Confessional is very much associated with the emo (slang) term.  As far as emo (music) goes, the traditional definition consists of bands like Jimmy Eat World and Hawthorne Heights.  These bands have no place in this article, except perhaps to show the origin of the word. --68.219.188.246 08:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have an opinion. But you might want to research some more into where 'emo music' came from. It came from the grunge genre, so you might want to check out post-grunge (i recommend "silverchair") because that genre is where 'emo music' came from. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.165.19 (talk • contribs) 22:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dashboard AND Hawthorne Heights can both be categorized as emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackdiamndbordr (talk • contribs) 17:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: whoever just wrote that thing about dashboard and HH shout shutup and die. they dont know anything about those bands just becuz hawthore height sang that song ohio is for lovers does not make them emo. that song is a figure of speech "cut my wrists and black my eyes" IS A FUCKING FIG OF SPEECH!!!!!! i have the album... —Preceding unsigned comment added by XxsheronxsyndromexX (talk • contribs) 04:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo Music 

message: From my personal experience, I have come to realize that “emo” is used as a catchall insult for anyone who appears to be a part of any rock subculture.  (I go to a private high school and can hardly even walk thru the halls without having it yelled at me).  I think the use of “emo” in this manner is becoming more prevalent and should be elaborated on in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.96.69 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? I've never seen that. I never get called emo (I'm a punk). I have trouble imagining a metalhead getting called emo too. Maybe trendy rockers who try really hard to look fashionably perfect, but not all rockers in general. --Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 03:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Call me crazy, but it seems to be the kids who are part of rock subcultures who do most of the insulting and yelling "emo" at people. The kids who get called emo are... well, see above. --Switch 02:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: meh we have one emo at our skoo and he does get abused, not physically. he was actually emo, who wore tight women jeans, hair over one eye etc. brought it on himself. go to youtube and watch sum41 film clip, thats how a punk rocker should look like, if u dont well u brought it on ureself, go sum41 :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.233.47 (talk • contribs) 09:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it is just a derogatory word for people who are part of a rock subculture. Because you dress "emo" has nothing to do with listening to the music. Most "emos" I know listen to Death Metal and Hardcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.212.132.54 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yes i agree not all emos listen to emo —Preceding unsigned comment added by XxsheronxsyndromexX (talk • contribs) 04:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my experience, "metal" and "hardcore" are just what emo kids call emo because they dom't want to admit they're emo. --Switch t 05:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  As a stereotype of all rock subcultures  

message: At The Drive-In is Emo? The Fall Of Troy is Emo? THE BLOOD BROTHERS IS EMO?? Heh...Say that Emo is Post-hardcore in some kind of way can be acceptble deppeding of the band, but Post-hardcore is something different from Emo, go listen to Fall Of Troy or The Blood Brothers(and so many others!) to find the true modern Post-Hardcore!
Now said this, EMO as music should be classified yes, but EMO as slang? Hum..What about MCR style? They dont even consider themselves Emo, what I agree by the way in some degree considering their last CD. Come on, there is no such classification, who says proudly and loud "Im Emo" just mean "Im idiot and easyly influenced by large masses". The same for who says "I hate EMO(people)!" Just go listen to your music and leave the others alone heh. Dont try to convert anybody to or out of the "EMO cause and style" because its ridiculous and completely made-up by the Media. 
Wake up people.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arlborn (talk • contribs) 20:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-Hardcore = emo? Or Emo = Post-Hardcore? Or Post-hardcore is completely different from Emo? 

message: in the wikipedia page on emo-slang, it says that my chemical romance are an emo band, but they reject that saying they are rock and violent pop, it says that emo fashion is inspired by them, which is false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.68.164.35 (talk • contribs) 05:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you have to imagine youth culture a bit like  the pattern of a tree trunk: there is a center, the pure 100%, fully involved. this invilvement´s fadin more and more towards the outer circles - where i´d put my chemical romance, they might be emo, but the commercialised popularised part (as HIM is for gothic) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.130.122.37 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  my chemical romance 

message: Is the Urban Dictionary really a reliable source? --Foot Dragoon 01:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is for a slang term. --Switch 04:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hardly! See WP:RS... --HawkerTyphoon 01:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Because anyone can write anything on it and it wouldn't matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.165.19 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone can write anything in wiki, and it seldom matters. ajdkghsa. See? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.153.7.51 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but wikipedia requires that you PROVIDE A RELIABLE SOURCE for your edits. Urban dictionary is basically "OMG I cReatzed A fuNIe sl4Ng, I'11 snEd it in! lolz". I think the link should be removed because it contributes very little, if anything. Sign your comments please (4 ~ at end). --Nodnarb232001 19:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uh... 

message: And what is up with this global-conspiracy nonsense at the end of the first paragraph:
"Even though it is a group of kids it has leadership that resembles a monarchy. The knowledge of this is very discreet."
Don't make factual assertions, especially far-out ones like this, without some kind of support for your assertions.  If you have some evidence of this global emo-conspiracy, post it. If not, take it out.  
And unprotect this page while you are at it. --Jjobrien3 18:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The page was semi-protected to prevent edits such as the one you mentioned. It was semi-protected so that most users may still edit the article but apparently that's not really working out. The last thing we want right now is to unprotect the page and unleash a swarm of vandals (especially vandal-only IPs). The edit you mentioned has already been reverted, so you don't need to worry about that. If anymore vandals strike, users who still have the privilige to edit the article, such as myself, will fix it as soon as possible. // Sasuke-kun27 18:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a problem with the statement "there is no significant evidence of any correlation between emo and self-harm." Aside from the fact that the author uses no evidence in his claims throughout the article and calls for evidence here, there is a strong correlation between the two. Yet anyone who knows about statistics can tell you that correlation does not equal causation (see Pirates and Global warming proof.) There are lurking variables that can affect the two, as in the case of the Pirates-global warming the lurking variable is time. While it is near-impossible to determine if listening to emo music causes self harm, one can determine there is a correlation. As such I have repeatedly deleted the above said statement. This may have caused the protection of the page, but I stand by it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.135.112.49 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The correlation may be that a teenager whose social life revolves around his own melodramatic interpretation of his own social life is also the type of person who is likely to attempt suicide, either as a cry for help or as a final decision. --BlueNight 22:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This page seriously needs to be reverted to a less insulting version. It has been locked on a version of the article that is completely unsuitable for Wikipedia. I request that it be unlocked so that someone can revert it to a better version (for lack of a better term) and then locked again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.47.41.87 (talk) 00:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this page protected? 

message: We need a criticism section —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.195.190 (talk) 17:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: This article doesn't seem to reflect what emo actually is, just stereotypes. Emo isn't "self-hating, crossdressing mopers who love post-hardcore." The original emo fad was art meets hardcore. (For example, a punk rock-loving poet may be emo.) And depression certainly doesn't constitute "emo-ness" either; if your only emotion is sadness, you're not very emotional, are you? — Phantasy Phanatik | talk | contribs 10:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! Find sources for your ideas, and amend the article accordingly. You might also want to keep in mind, This is not a forum for discussing the article's subject. --Rintrah 12:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: I think it's been clearly established that emo is one of the most ambiguous labels we've come up with in the world. Our current attempts to get a good definition of it aren't going real well. I suggest we take what we have done in the article, and merge relevant information into other articles (such as editing the Goth article to include any relevant emo information). I believe this label is currently beyond the scope of an encyclopedia in its current state, and we should wait unil our culture can create a more unifying idea of what emo truly us. Thoughts? --Nodnarb232001 19:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really care about what happens to the article at the moment (when I get the chance, I'll go through it and post my thoughts afterwards). What I really want to talk about is the talk page. Before I archived it, it was almost 80 kilobytes long and the only reason it was that big is because people keep posting all of this useless crap that doesn't do anything for the article or Wikipedia itself. If it weren't for that, the talk page would probably be half as long and we wouldn't have to archived it (although when editing the page, it would have said something about how long it is and tell you to archive it). So unless you have something to say that could benefit the article, like what Nodnarb232001 wrote, please don't post anything at all. // Sasuke-kun27 20:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a "user", I was after info to help understand what my teenage son was on about. Currently the article does not quite match what I've been hearing here (in New Zealand). Could that be because, as a youth culture label, the term 'emo' is constantly changing or evolving? I'm not suggesting the current article is wrong, just not complete or up to date, or there are regional differences. I've also been told that the evolution of Emo has some connection to MySpace (As a means of sharing the look?). Any thoughts of these ideas? --Alisterb 01:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply because our world culture has yet to specifically define the term doesn't mean it is invalid and should be merged.  For example, the United States population is having a major conflict just defining the "war in Iraq".  The term is definitely legitimate slang for a cultural subgroup (at least in my part of the United States).  It may be used differently in different areas but in my location I could easily define "emo".  It may not be uniformly used across the world but certainly in certain regions it has a clearer definition.  In any case, I don't think the term should be removed/merged. --67.21.19.23 16:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this article sucks. No, emo has nothing to do with goth. Part of the problem is you're trying define "emo" the word, not the "emo" scene/subculture/whatever. --Cedars 20:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, emo has nothing at all to do with goth, gothic subculture, music or anything. --Deathrocker 00:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: "emo" is a neologism that isn't set in stone for any part of speech. The word is not academic, nor foreign-derived, so it doesn't make any sense to speak definitively about its correct usage. For all your clear personal experiences, you are just entering into speculation. The article has been for a long time searching vainly for credible sources, while posters mostly have been concerned about what they think, without any uncertainty, is the correct definition. We are not getting anywhere. --Rintrah 07:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have heard it used "emo" is a noun; a person who is unreasonable depressed and gives no further reason as to why he/she is depressed than "their's so much pain and suffering in the world." The small clique that I have become friendly with views "emo" as a cancer, people who hang-out with other emos eventually become emo themselves'. I have, actually, observed these particular kids, who are labeled as "emo", seeming somewhat gloom and rather sad. Slang words and subculture or rock culture words aren't the easiest to define; they really can only be descriptive definitions. --User:Randy6767 05:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Currently, the article seems to say being an Emo means mainly having hair on one eye? on ANY forum when talking about emos, its clear that emo is synonymous to "suicidal youth who believes him/herself to be misunderstood by society", their haircut, dressing and even music is of secondary importance(thats only in public mind, but, considering Emo is only general public term, public image is true image). btw you got some vandalism here - see references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.84.133 (talk • contribs) 22:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new approach? 

message: "Emo" doesn't exist except in slang, but having that out of the way...The reason no one can find an exact definition of "emo" is because the group of members that are called "emo" differ in many different ways(redundant, I know).  Let me explain this...the "emo" group is accepting to whoever wants to join.  Anyone that feels they fit in no where else turns to the "emo" group looking for something to be a part of.  Poets of many sorts usually do not fit into any other group but are accepted as "emo".  Self-harm is highly disrespected in other cultures/subcultures, that is the reason why those that choose self-harm turn to the "emo" group for somewhere to go to.  Seeing as how the "emo" group was formed in the early '80's, many of the early members that participated in self-harm or saw it from a person-to-person level grew up accepting self-harm in their lifestyle.  Musicians knew who they wanted to get their message across to and knew how those people felt on things and included self-harm and depression in their music.  Since this music had gone mainstream, media had linked romance related depression in some "emo" classified music to all punk originating music that contains romance, the struggles of life, or any struggles at all, for that matter.  Media had widely spread the looks of the top mainstream "emo" musicians(who may or may not have been linked in any way at all to the original "emo").  This look had been the tight jeans and the hair flipped to one side.  This brings me to my next topic, looks.  The mainstream "emo" look, though it varies from person to person and region to region, is as follows...hair flipped to the side, somewhat tight shirts and jeans, and Converse Chuck Taylors or skate shoes of different forms.  This is only a "scene" version of "emo" but it is widely spread and commonly accepted.  Basically, whoever that feels the need or wants to be "emo" can be.  It is a very broad term even though "scene emo"(mentioned above) looks are high associated with the "emo" title.  So, no matter how hard you try and how long you work tryin to define "emo" beyond the media-filled, mainstream, "scene" image that has been produced, it is impossible. --CWark323 03:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read my last comment or the one at the top of the page? --Rintrah 03:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will post citation when time permits it, but most of this info is from a first-hand experience and from speaking with many of my friends...I know this is unwanted because it is shown as not reliable, but I have webisites and magazine articles that also agree with me.  I promise I will post later. --CWark323 04:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Emo" = Undefinable 

message: that picture of the "typical emo hair" is totally, totally, off base. i'm emo, i would know. it's more like the hair covers one eye and the other eye is left uncovered. i have a better picture, should i upload it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.18.3 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and upload it. If it is agreed to be accurate, and it is of good quality, nobody will delete it. Don't delete the other photo, because I disagree with you about it being inaccurate, and nobody has expressed that they believe it is inaccurate before. Just add yours as photo #4, or photo #2 if you prefer it to be next to the other. --Steevven1 (Talk) (Contribs) (Gallery) 01:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if possible, could we get a long shot of you, clothes and all? We need pictures of emo fashion in general, not just the hair. That would be great. --Switch t 08:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  better picture 

message: Add this to the article when it is no longer locked.
First and foremost, "emo" is a sterotype.  "Emo" is often confused with punk.  If one is to dress "emo", that does not nessessaraly mean the one in question brings harm to ones self.  Emo often means a certian clothing style, hair style, or music genre.  A person that harms ones self is simply someone who has false ways of relieving stress, not an "emo".  A small word of caution to readers, don't call someone "emo" because of they have "unexplainable scars".  It's a harmfull steriotype, and it hurts feelings.  Do you not thing these people suffer enough?  Not all "emo" people harm themselves, and not all people who harm themself are "emo".
—Preceding unsigned comment added by AFTL-Kale (talk • contribs) 20:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the suggestion, but sorry. This is entirely unencyclopedic, unsourced, and it gives orders to the reader. Not to mention the spelling and grammatical errors. --Steevven1 (Talk) (Contribs) (Gallery) 22:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo is a stereotype 

message: I just discovered, and linked to from this article, the emo poetry article. I'm not sure it should exist, but real work has gone into it - unlike emofication, which I nominated for speedy deletion for being an attack page - and it uses sources. Some of those sources could even be used for this article, while others already are. Anyway, it contains some public domain text and images this article could also use, although the picture of a "typical emo girl" doesn't look very "emo" according to our sources or my opinion. Anyway, just letting you guys know. --Switch t c g 09:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo poetry 

message: I missed when this video was readded in the "reorganise a bit" edit a few days ago.  Can someone please explain how this is appropriate here?  If the video was an article, it'd be tagged db-attack within minutes.  It only exists to disparage the subject.  Is it funny? sure.  Is it necessary for this article?  I don't think so. --Onorem 02:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources and links don't have to be NPOV, only articles. Why exactly do you think it should be removed? --Switch t c g 04:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be removed because it's a 3 minute attack on Emos.  I don't see what encyclopedic value it holds beyond what's already stated in the article. Should every YouTube video that makes fun of Emos get a link in this article?  Why exactly do you think it should be in the article? --Onorem 13:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a good example of how "emo" is perceived in a popular context. That's why I think it deserves to stay. Maybe that What Is Emo? video, too, could be added. Emo has barely had anything said about it apart from criticism. I'm not vehement about it though, so if you feel strongly remove it. ~Switch t c g 13:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with SwitChar. I think that the "Emo Song" video a well as the "How To Be: Emo" video should be included in this article. This is because both are very well-known, and both present information about the subject of this article, and insight into a subculture. While the "Emo Song" is 100% criticism, satire can provide insight into a subject, even though it is biased. Are you also saying that we shouldn't have the "EMO cult warning for parents" article as a citation because it is biased? On the other hand the "How to be: Emo" video is quite informative, and while it pokes fun at the subject, it is actually very insightful. Additionally, the "How To Be: Emo" video even has its own Wikipedia article. If another person agrees with me, please add both videos to the article. Here are the links:    Steevven1 (Talk) (Contribs) (Gallery) 15:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: External links to YouTube are usually (but not always) frowned upon by WP:EL. // PoeticDecay 15:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that this instance constitutes an exception for the reasons I mentioned above. --Steevven1 (Talk) (Contribs) (Gallery) 15:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the video cannot be traced to its original source; if it can, we shall link to there. The How to Be: Emo video can definitely be linked to its original source, and probably should be. --Switch t c g 16:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube video 

message: Please merge any relevant content from [ Emo poetry] per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emo poetry. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.)  Thanks. --Quarl (talk)07:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[Emo poetry]] 

message: I've noticed it to be a Wikipedia style thing that if a link is made in an article, it need not be in the "See Also" section. All of the links in the "See Also" section of this article are already in the article, so I'm removing the section. --Steevven1 (Talk) (Contribs) (Gallery) 15:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also 

message: The article does not have one reference.
This is everything I found after half an hour on Google:
*Description of "emo" from a magazine targetted at teenage girls: 
*Tabloid rant against "emo": 
*Article on emo which confirms the origin of the term, from About.com: 
*Article that discusses the perceptions of "emo", from knot magazine: 
*Poorly edited opinion piece which muses on the word "emo", from Incendiary magazine: 
*A link site I haven't explored: 
Now, put some references in! --Rintrah 13:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Rintrah - there are no proper references, articles and magazines are not an reliable form of historic record, could we perhaps find some proper sources that are not so clearly biased? For example the article that rants about the dangers of self harm and "emoism" in exactly the same fashion that many similar publications did about goths, punks, metallers etc. It's so clearly not a source of information but an opinion that I see little or no value in including it - unless the authors of this article simply want to have a go at emo bashing like the rest of the net is at the moment. Waffle247 --90.152.12.130 14:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Should it be mentioned? Most people know what I mean you can find it anywhere, but ill post a link later. That song (if not true) is still better than the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.116.40.13 (talk) 21:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection to it but others do. If you post a link to it, it will probably be deleted. --Rintrah 02:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the "Emo Song" is like a part of the emo phenomena, shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere that there is a connection between emo and myspace as well as it being common for "scene kids" or "emo kids" to wear girl pants? --172.166.35.118 03:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you mean "phenomenon", but it's not really the right word either. People do keep bringing up the connection of emo to myspace; I am starting to believe there is something substantial to these rumours. Yes, tight jeans are popular — surely, no one is going to deny this? The article does have a problem with the lack of sources, however; so we should be hesistant at adding rumours and unsourced assertions. There should be magazine articles which describe the emo subculture — has no one found any of those? Emos strongly stand out, but so many people whine on this page how it is impossible to pinpoint them — yeah, sure. --Rintrah 14:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why the two should be seperated, Emo's attempt to live UP to their stereotype, they don't try and turn down those views unless they're doing it for more attention or because it's something they can feed off of for emotional pain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.66.200.1 (talk • contribs) 20:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you mean "The Emo Song", as featured on YTMND, it is a mocking satire of the phenomenon, and as such, posting the lyrics ("Dear diary...") is POV.  However, mentioning that the "song" exists is NPOV.  As for the Myspace connection, perhaps a mention of melodramatic blogs and other Internet postings in general is in order instead. --BlueNight 09:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps. But can anyone find references? Do they exist?! Re unsigned, anonymous poster: just as the taste of diesel and mould can be separated, so can emos and goths. --Rintrah 12:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also mention Tickle me Emo/Elmo please. =D --Berserkerz Crit 21:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo song. 

message: I believe you have got the wrong idea about emos, yeah, some emos self-harm, but theres a reason behind it, they don't follow along with other trends (the whole point is to stand out and be different) and so they get bullied for it. They then become depressed and start self-harming. If you believe that all emos self-harm, you are stereotypring all of them. Most of my friends are emo, and I'm goth, and I believe that you have got it all wrong. This 'definition' of emo is unfair and maybe if you spoke to a few emos yourself, you would realise they're not people who sit in corners in darkened rooms listening to depressing music while slitting their wrists, thats just sick. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cherri.om (talk • contribs) 18:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Some definitions of emo hold that a typical "emo person" is likely to inflict self-injury..."This is what the article reads, and it is a matter of fact that some definitions do hold that as "emo." Go get 10 randomly selected people and ask them if they think that an emo person is likely to self-injure. Many will say yes (see sources cited). Wikipedia is not here to create an ideal definition, merely to report the definitions which already exist. --Steevven1 (Talk) (Contribs) (Gallery) 21:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's get this straight here....Emo's are wannabe punks who can't be like us. And you spelled stereotype wrong. Emo's brought it on themselves. All emo's are are goths and punks combined. Besides everyone hates them and preppies..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.12.112.191 (talk • contribs) 02:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one will believe anything you say unless you give a source. --64.121.36.5 23:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Historically I don't recall the emo fad being mentioned, I'm sure the Greeks would have jotted something like that down somewhere, so how do you get a source that says emos aren't into self harm? I don't think it's likely to make the news headlines e.g. "No suicides reported in nice emo teen sub-culture dominated town" or "Emo does not kill himself over breakup" - it's not exactly riveting, edge of the seat action is it. Waffle247 --90.152.12.130 15:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emos and Self-Harming 

message: You need to change the title of this, because people need to learn that 'emo' is not a trend, or a fashion, but an emotional state, scene on the other hand is EXACTLY what ya'll are saying is EMO!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Demonhunter10 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The same was said about goths.... but many post-goth people don't claim the same thing. If 'emo' is nothing to do with fashion why does it have it's own sub-genre of clothing? --Waffle247 15:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subject change 

message: The inclusion of the "How to be: Emo" video seems to be promotional. If "How to be: Emo" was a documentary I wouldn't see a problem, but it's obviously a satire. --BlyMagister 00:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - it also clearly suggests at the end that emo = bisexuality, which is a bit far fetched.... is this an encyclopedia or a dissing match? Waffle247 --90.152.12.130 15:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it shouldn't be where it is, but it should be linked somewhere at least. Perhaps the "In popular culture" section, or somewhere else. --Switch t c g 02:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To my mind it would be more accurate to describe the link as what it is - a deliberately derogative joke drawing on the publics negative perception of sterotypical 'emo' culture that was never intended to accurately represent the culture or it's members. Maybe we need a Public Perceptions section? EDIT: Or maybe the criticism section :) --Waffle247 15:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to be: Emo 

message: Spelling Error: "beome" should be "become" (shouldn't it?) under the "Criticism" headline. Jus' wondering. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.99.217.176 (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can just fix little problems like that, no need to discuss them. I would also suggest creating an account. It's good for Wikiepdia, etc. --Cheeser1 04:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling Error