Talk:Call to the bar

message: United States: Generally, a lawyer is said to have been "admitted to the Bar" and become an "attorney at law" (some states still use the older term "attorney and counselor at law") upon taking his or her oath of office. Historically, the institution of attorney was similar to that of the solicitor, whereas the office of the counselor was almost identical to that of the barrister, but today this distinction has disappeared. The phrase "called to the Bar" is still sometimes used informally by US attorneys to refer to their qualification as a lawyer. 
:I think this should be the other way around: If a solicitor counsels and a barrister pleads, the a barrister would be equivalent to an attorney, and a solicitor a counselor.
::A barrister is not equivalent to an American attorney, though; except in certain circumstances he is not allowed to deal directly with the client and must accept work directly from solicitors. I think an English Solicitor-Advocate would probably be closest to your "attorney". Ironholds (talk) 13:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that --- I've read up on it and I realize my mistake.  It seems the barrister is "counselor" because the solicitor frequently his opinion on specialized points of law, while the solicitor is "attorney" because --- although he does't represent the client before court ---he may serve as his representative in all other matters.  --Jpbrenna (talk) 03:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well without getting into the nitty-gritty a solicitor can represent his client before the court, but for the most part you are correct. Perhaps linking to the American definitions within the article would help clear up any confusion on the part of the reader? Ironholds (talk) 04:55, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening heading

message: I realize that as a an article concerning the legal system of the UK this article is entitled to a degree of region-specific language, but if somebody could take out overt colloquialisms I would appreciate it. I am unable to understand many of the dialectical euphemisms used herein. The most important example I see is "taken the silk". I have not an inkling of what that truly means. If that could get replaced, I would thank you!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.151.92.133 (talk) 16:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For info, "Taking silk" is a colloquial phrase for being appointed Queens Counsel, when one's Court Dress becomes a silk gown instead of a cheap "stuff" gown. A QC is also referred to as "a silk".Jezza (talk) 00:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language use is Britain specific. 

message: I do not believe the following, and as no citation is given I have simply deleted it:
:"This is in contrast to "inner barristers" – an old-fashioned name for student barristers because they formally sat on the "inner" tables at Hall, during dinners, debates and moots. "Utter" barristers – both junior Counsel and Queen's Counsel – would sit on the outermost tables"
That could conceivably have been the former practice of one of the Inns, but not mine; and the concept of being called to the Outside of the Bar (or Outer or Utter Bar), else being called within it, is common to all four Inns.
A bar student has never been any sort of barrister. When a student is Called to the Bar, he is explicitly appointed "of the Degree of the Utter Bar". By contrast, Queen's Counsel are invited Within the Bar in open Court.Jezza (talk) 00:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utter Bar-locks 

message: Has the origin of the term been sufficiently researched? 
The whole description of a bar as a wooden barrier or banister does not make much
sense. Being barricaded from the judge was hardly the distinguishing
feature of the profession. The connection to "being summoned"  likewise sounds
superfluous; it is more appropriate for witnesses and such, not the lawyer.
On the other hand laws and canon ( quanoon ) in old times were integral
part of Judaic as well as Islamic religious tradition. A person coming
of age is said to be "called to Bar Mitzvah". The person reads to the
gathering some passage from the scripture etc and is then on considered
aware of the precepts and responsible for his / her own actions.
The apprentice lawyer "being called to the Bar" seems to be a secular phrase
borrowed from this religious custom. 
- U A Yajnik, 
IIT Bombay
16 November 2010  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.163.227.38 (talk) 02:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  resemblance to "called to Bar Mitzvah ..." 

message: The explanation of the origin of the term is backwards, see http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=bar&allowed_in_frame=0 --Espoo (talk) 17:39, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

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