Talk:Spike Spiegel

message: I've heard some people and rumors say that he is (in appearance) also slightly influenced by Doors lead singer Jim Morrison. I'm not saying he is, but I was wondering if it's true or not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.180.69 (talk) 19:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t know what you were talking about here. Even when you made this comment, the article said that people believe that the character Spike died, not that he actually did. — NRen2k5 22:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just wondering 

message: Anyone got any idea what his gun's specs are exactly? Not that it's entirely relevant, but some people may like to know.  Hx 18:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specs Stuff? 

message: Spike Jonze's real last name is Spiegel. I seems like almost too much of a coincidence for this character's name not to be a reference to him. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 19:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Spike as died even though his death is unconfirmed he should be a tragic hero right.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.248.221 (talk) 23:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly suggest you look up the term tragic hero.  Spike dying  is not the same thing as being a tragic hero.  Spike suffering tragedy also is not the same thing as being a tragic hero.  Edward321 (talk) 00:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

text: The whole question is moot, because nowhere did it say Spike actually died, especially when you take the director's comments into account. Those can be found in the references for the article. --MrsSpooky (talk) 18:32, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hero

message: Should there be something involving cats? He mentions them every now and then. He also always seems to always have something in common with cats when they're on-screen, but it could just be me.---- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.38.51 (talk) 00:06, December 31, 2008 (UTC)
:I think it could be mentioned, but working it in may be a challenge.  After all, VT's cat Zeros convinced her to give Spike (and Faye) a ride back to the Bebop in Heavy Metal Queen.  It was a cat that saved Spike's life in Pierrot Le Fou.  And he IS very much like a cat himself, you're right.  He does take off to do what he feels needs doing and isn't good about checking in.   He's independent, yet knows where his home and family is.  He loves his partner but doesn't share his emotions, remaining aloof and most times keeping him at arm's length, yet puts himself at risk to protect him and his ship (Wild Horses).
--MrsSpooky (talk) 14:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cats 

message: The Movie, Knocking on Heavens Door was never confirmed to be between episodes 22 and 23, this is just speculation because Bigshot is still on the air and all of the old trio are still alive. If the theory is true that this movie is a dream of Spikes, then this could very well mean that the movie is based not much after episode 26, and Spike survived hes fight with Vicious. This is just speculation too, but my point is that the movie being set between episodes 22 and 23 is not fact and im removing it, feel free to put back up if you've got the evidence to support it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.119.120 (talk) 11:42, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea exactly how the chronology of that ever fitted into this article, but its position between 22 and 23 has been confirmed by the staff numerous times during their promotion of the film, and in official publications too.  The combination of Andy dressed as a samurai and Big Shot should be more than enough on-screen evidence though, and if anything, I'd say it's the rumour you've fallen for that one of the three old men died in the series that ought to be struck from the internet... --Contrafour (talk) 23:27, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: February 2009

message: Vicious clearly hits the floor with his katana during the final showdown with Spike (it's easily missed, but once you see it - even if you have to watch it in slo mo - it smacks you in the face with each repeated viewing. You can even hear the scraping sound).  It's like he wanted to die as soon as he heard that Julia was dead.  In the end, it's my opinion that it was Vicious who couldn't live without her.  Her passing removed any reason for Vicious to live.  Spike, on the other hand, had a reason to live - Jet, the Bebop, freedom.  By killing Vicious, he freed himself of all ties to the syndicate - all ties to the past that he faked his own death to escape.  He's now truly free.  Google the lyrics to the song "Blue" that played during the ending of the episode, it's a song of hope.
Other items on the screen that indicate that Spike was not fatally wounded (beyond the sight and sound of the katana scraping the floor instead of Spike):
:Something new seen during frame by frame - Vicious scrapes the floor with his sword, and as it clears the floor (if it HAS cleared it), Spike fires.  Roughly 12 frames used for the closeup of the muzzle of the gun till the end of the flash.  Next shot is from behind Vicious with blood spray behind him, indicating he had been shot through.  Look at the placement of his knee and the angle and position of the sword. That blood shooting out from next to Vicious' knee is not from Spike.  Vicious' body jerked with the impact of the bullet and in the follow through of the swing, the blade hit his own leg.
1.  After Vicious dies, and it's over, Spike is standing upright, arms at his sides.  Not holding his stomach which one would expect if it was wounded.  No blood flow from his stomach, pooling on the floor at his feet.  We saw characters die, blood pooling beneath them (think Shin), but not here.
2.  As Spike is coming down the stairs, his arm IS held across his body, but that arm was shot and that shoulder stabbed.  He didn't have a sling, so he was keeping his arm immobile because frankly, it hurts.  There was really no blood on his coat around his midsection, which we should have seen had he been fatally wounded.  He was walking painfully because he had been slashed over the knee, and I imagine he was exhausted from that attack, plus from defending the Bebop earlier.
3.  When he falls, again there was no blood on the stairs under him.   There was no blood because there was no life-threatening wound to bleed.
That star that faded?  Laughing Bull is a mystic.  If I had to offer an explanation, I'd say an organism died that day, but it wasn't Spike.  It was his past life: Vicious, Julia, the Red Dragon.  It can be argued that Spike and Vicious were two sides of the same coin, joined at the heart by Julia.  With Julia and Vicious dead, Spike was free to be his own person.  It was his ties to those two people and the syndicate that died.  A mystic can argue that he now truly has a new life, the old one having passed away.
There is also the fact that Bull told Jet that "his star is about to fall." That star at the end didn't fall.  It faded away.  The difference could be significant.
MrsSpooky (talk) 17:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The only thing I'm sure of is that Spike did not get slashed.  The rest of it was must me playing around with alternate explanations.  The ending was ambiguous, in that signs did point to his dying, but there was nothing that killed him. --MrsSpooky 15:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History - Spike's survival (humungous spoilers)

message: As seen on the YouTube video series "Cowboy Bebop Facts": there is a point at the subtle nod to the 27 Club in regards to the fact that Spike Spiegal "died" at the age of 27.  By viewing any of the art from the 27 Club, you will see the resemblence to the Bebop-like font and style, indicating a correlation (with the show's heavy emphasis on music too).  Obviously this does not prove or disprove Spike's fate (as the tie-in is that the club is for musicians who died at the age of 27), however it is definitely an intentional cultural tie-in nod from Shinichirō Watanabe.
I believe it should be mentioned in the article.  Any objections?
YouTube video (relevant info is at 2:35) + "27 Club" Google search.
RhettGedies (talk) 04:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  27 Club relations to Spike Spiegel's age 

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