Talk:Shakira/Archive 2

message: Isn't it funny that two of the biggest songs in the history of her career were reggaeton influenced but they doesn't get any mention in her song genres credit? Once again Black music gets pushed to side while the 'other' genre gets its credit, but don't worry, one day we'll prevail, BABYLON WILL FALL!1!!!11
Really? I wonder, have you been living in a cave lately? If you'd open your eyes, you'd realise that black music is exactly what is being pushed out from all directions. To be honest, I think it's a bloody shame, because artists like 50cent, in my opinion, are talentless. The good black music, of course, doesn't manage to surface. But hey, that has been the case with every music ever since the 70's.
Yea, well not saying you don't have a point, but it still doesn't change the fact that two of her BIGGEST hit singles to date have been in that new genre, yet it still recieves no credit on her profile.
Maybe two of her hits were reggaeton, but that's just not her style. I don't care abot that two songs, because all her discography is pop-rock. In my opinion, it would be very unfair to clasify Shakira as a reggeaton artist because of two songs which are not only reggaeton, by the way. La Tortura has dance hall and Hips Don't Lie has hip-hop. So it's not only reggaeton. Both songs are horrible in my opinion, and they have nothing to do with the real Shakira.
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.60.51.220 (talk) 14:10, August 29, 2007 (UTC) 
Too bad that those two songs are her biggest hits ever lol (La Tortura is the BIGGEST SPANISH SONG ever, and Hips Don't Lie is the biggest song in her entire career), and her so called 'Rock' songs have other musical influences also, so hush!...;)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drake2u (talk • contribs) 01:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ain't It Funny 

message: In the article it says: "In March 2000 Shakira embarked on her Tour Anfibio, a three-month tour of Latin America and the United States." However, upon clicking on Tour Anfibio the article there says that the tour was two-months long. I've looked for her performances here  and of course in our Wiki article here  and apparently it did last two months. I've gone ahead and edited the article. If anyone thinks it should still be 3 months long please discuss. Thanks! --LethalAmbition 22:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tour Anfibio 

message: Is this her official MySpace page? 70.48.166.140 18:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MySpace 

message: In the first paragraph it says 'Singel' i think it should be single but it could be spanish but i don't know
:This has appeared to be fixed. Josh 23:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single 

message: OK, this has been in debate for quite a while. Lets try and get it settled... the user User:Abu badali insists that this free image should be used.
Despite the fact that almost weekly, users upload a more recent photo (the Badali image is from 2005), where Shakira isn't pulling an unusual face. These are almost instantly removed and put up for deletion by Badali..
Many users have protested the use of this image on the talkpage, in favour of using one which is more recent, and more representative of the artists look... for example.
*I think the picture of her at the Wal-Mart shareholders meeting is unflattering. The picture of her receiving the MTV award is better and should be reinstated as the main picture at the top of the article. - 
*Honestly. She doesn't walk around with a butterface 99% of time. It would be better if we added an album picture if it was this hard to find a live one. -- 
*Found new free photo, hope this one is better. -  (his image was later deleted)
*Please, Somebody change that infamous picture for Christ sake!! - 
*many other pages don't have free pictures, if there aren't any good ones. E.g. there are very unflattering pictures of Drew Barrymore, but the main picture is from one of her movies. So why not a screencap from one of her videos? I used a picture from Hips Don't Lie, I realize it isn't free. But it is fairuse, and we can roll with it for now. - 
*The picture is outdated. This image however is from this year , the other picture barely resembles what she looks like and should not be used on the article. - Deathrocker (image was later removed)
*The main picture of Shakira should be replaced by a worhtier one, the current one does not help this article as a whole. The picture itself seems to be appropiate for this article. There are far better looking ones of her. It has been replaced for a better version but someone keeps changing it to this unworthy photograph. —  
*That is a horrible picture though. - 
*It's a photoshopped image, anyway. She doesn't have that large a chin no matter what angle you use. . . - unsigned
*I believe it is fair use to use the MTV screenshot, low-res version, to identify the MTV awards that Shakira was a part of. See fair use for program ID. It would not be fair use if the caption did not mention the program---but it does. - 
*All these quotes aposed to the use of the derogatory image, can be found in the following link
Now then... the official policy regarding publicity images states, and I quote; "If it is possible to replace the publicity image with a new, free, image of similar value to the reader then the free image must be used in preference to the restricted and copyrighted publicity photograph."
The free image which is in place of a publicity image is not new, it is from 2005. The subject has a different look and promotional pictures which came out around the time of her most recent tour (this year) can be found.
It also states of "similar value to the reader", many users as shown above through community concensus, have stated that they find the image devoid of value as it is particully unflattering and that they want another image in its place. I suggest it be replaced with a more recent promotional image, until a free one of similar value can be produced, as the current derogatory image fails the policy in regards to images it was replacing in the first place. - Deathrocker 23:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In acordance with Wikipedia community concensus and the policy regarding retaining article value (which the badali image failed), as shown above, I have replaced the image with this, more recent promotional one; . Until a suitable free, new replacement can be found, that doesn't degrade the value of the article. - Deathrocker 08:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding the unflattering image

message: Please change Shakira's genre. She's not just Latin Pop and Dance Music. She's also heavily influenced by rock. She's also Rock en Español and Alternative. I think you guys really need to listen to her music rather than just her singles in order to say what genre she's in.
:Shakira is is pop singer who has (in the past) recorded rock songs. So are Kelly Clarkson, Paulina Rubio, Belinda, and even Thalia. She is not representative of the Latin Rock genre. She is also a pop singer that has recorded reggeaton songs.  A comparison must also be made to Luis Miguel who despite being a GREAT ranchera singer is not viewed the same way as a Vicente Fernandez or Pablo Montero. Luis Miguel is first and foremost a pop singer. Hope this helps.
::The dancing that Shakira does for "La Tortura" is clearly adapted from West African tribal dancing and not belly dancing. Considering she comes from a city with a heavy African cultural influence it would make sense that Shaki would borrow those moves.
I removed Pop music from the genres in the infobox, and I noticed it was re-added, so let's discuss.  Shakira's first three albums are obviously Latin pop since they were pop in Spanish.  Her two English albums have also been classified as Latin pop by All Music Guide.  Since Latin pop is a subgenre of pop and is much more descriptive, it's my opinion that Latin pop should be used in place of pop.  Using both seems unnecessary since a Latin pop artist is a type of pop artist.  ShadowHalo 06:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shakira's genre

message: Minor translation thing. In the article, "Que Me Quedes Tu" was translated as "That You Stay With Me." This is not really correct. If you want to be literal about it this should be translated as "That You May Stay With Me" or "That You Should Say With Me" (or slightly less literally, "May You Stay With Me"). Since obviously these sound strange in contemporary English, more appropriate translations would be "I Hope You Stay With Me," "I Hope You Will Stay With Me," or simply "Stay With Me." The song's producers would probably use "Stay With Me" since this is what an American would generally say. But I expect many fans would prefer "I Hope You Stay With Me" since it is slightly closer in meaning to the Spanish.
--Mcorazao 21:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the correct translation for "Que me quedes tú" based on the regional language context were she is from in Colombia is kind of a wishful expression, "[I wish] you are the result for me"  or "...That my result be you"... --F3rn4nd0  17:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: By the way, please sign your comments!! press [shift] + the button by the left of you numeber one button [1] with the symbol ~ and pressing it four consecutive times! --F3rn4nd0  17:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Que Me Queues Tu 

message: Is funny talk about this, Im not discussing anything really important here.
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Also in spanish, ..."Que me quedés tú" doesnt make sense without another part. You can add:
"ESPERO que me quedes tú"
(I HOPE that you stay with me)
Makes more sense.
Ok, there is another problem. "Que me quedes tu" doesnt talk about "stay with me". Is talks more about "having another option left" in case of a problem or when no other options are available. Is more like this example:
"Espero que me quede otra moneda en el bolsillo"
I hope that I have another coin left on my pocket
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By the way, I see I'm the wrost spanish teacher in the world hehehe. But I hope this can entretain somebody.
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::the correct translation for "Que me quedes tú" based on the regional language context were she is from in Colombia is kind of a wishful expression, "[I wish] you are the result for me"  or "...That my result be you"... --F3rn4nd0  17:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, please sign your comments!! press [shift] + the button by the left of you numeber one button [1] with the symbol ~ and pressing it four consecutive times! --F3rn4nd0  17:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Que me quedes tú - I hope you stay with me" is also incorrect

message: Does Shakira play guitar?  I know I've seen her playing a guitar in the music videos for "Estoy Aquí", "Pies Descalzos, Sueños Blancos", "Objection/Te Aviso, Te Anuncio", and "", but does she actually play?  —ShadowHalo 08:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, she does, actually you can watch her mtv unplugged to see and hear how she can play the guitar and the harmonica Soda-POP 08:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitar 

message: It's been officialy confirmed shakira has only sold 3 million albums worldwide. yet this page says shes sold 40 million albums. i think fans are changing it because theyre fans and not using factual information. please find a real source of information and use official sale amounts.
Well, it was stated that she had sold over 30 million albums before Fijacion Oral and Oral fixation were released. These two albums sold approximately 4 million and 5.5 million respectively. bringing her total close to 40 million.
shakilover 03:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Albums Sales

message: This article has been tagged with  for nearly three months now, way too long for such a publicized subject.  I've added  where citations seem to be needed; if the items can't be cited, they need to be removed per Wikipedia:Verifiability.  ShadowHalo 04:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: Messy Thinking 22:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was ever in there, it was probably taken removed for being unsourced controversy (see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Remove unsourced or poorly sourced controversial material).  I've added the comparison in (with a reference to BBC News).  ShadowHalo 06:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goat vocalist 

message: I have noticed an inconsistency with Shakira's name. OIn the infobox to the right, it says her full name is Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll Reath, while the first paragraph says her full name is Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll. Which is correct? Acalamari 03:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly a change from birth name to current name? Josh 23:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Inconsistency. 

message: The fact that Shakira performed Rock en español and only became a "pop star" 10 years into her career in 2001 when she crossed over into the English speaking market, is totally ignored. Notice how on the Spanish article it says "pop rock" as the genre?
:I'm putting Rock en español back in her infobox. - Deathrocker 20:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Americanized Article

message: Is it Será Será, or is it Las Caderas No Mienten? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.211.92 (talk) 11:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure it's "Las Caderas No Mienten (Será Será)"--LethalAmbition 18:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, spanish version for that song is called "Será, será (las caderas no mienten)" even the phrase "las caderas no mienten" is only a literal translation of "hips don't lie" and that phrase does not appear on the spanish version. Soda-POP 08:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the song '''Hips Don't Lie [En Español]'''? 

message: Arabic شاكرة means literally "woman who gives thanks" in Arabic, not really "graceful" (more like "grateful"), according to standard dictionaries... AnonMoos 08:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of name 

message: The article says a citation is needed for: "She has had several belly dance choreographers, including award-winning Bellydance Superstar Bozenka."
Bozenka's biography page states "Bozenka has choreographed for Latin pop star Shakira..." here:  http://www.bozenka.biz/bio.html
20:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dancing Section Citation 

message: WTF is that? Someone is putting "this" on the complete name of Shakira. Soda-POP 17:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reath

message: I may be rehashing old territory, but I agree with the "Neutrality" tag against the #1s section section. Every other article about another artist (well, where people have put in some chart effort) has a simple list of all singles released by the artist, and then their chart position in a sample of the countries of release. This does not conform to what might be considered something of a standard format. Instead, this distorts Shakira's success, (a) exaggerating by showing only the #1 singles ("Oh, isn't she just so successful") but also (b) in reverse by not showing that she has released many, many more singles that, while not as successful (a top 10 single isn't worthy these days?!) demonstrate her enormous popularity to sustain such wide sales. I recommend this be replaced by a regular list of all singles to more accurately report the facts.
220.238.117.68 06:35, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WHOEVER ADDED THE #1 SECTION AGAIN, SHOULD READ THIS!
Why people don't realize that it's way better to have a Top-ten singles section than a number-one section... I completly agree with this point of view, #1 section distorts Shakira's success!
I agree, but Shakira has realised a lot of singles in her career, so I think it would be better to make a section with her Top 10 singles.--McMare's 23:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number One singles 

message: Does anyone knows what is the vocal range of Shakira? What is the highest-registred note of her? And about the lowest? It would have been good if we could add this to her article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rodrigogomespaixao (talk • contribs) 01:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vocal ability

message: I've removed the Quotes section...again.  One quote is not plural, and the section doesn't belong there anyway.  If you want a list of quotes, go to Wikiquote.  ShadowHalo 20:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes section 

message: if you follow the link that is given as the source of this information, you find nothing related to shakira. i've never heard anywhere else that she would be named after her grandmother, either.
i suggest to remove this part! (I can't because i don't have an account)
217.238.250.96 16:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: named after her grandmother?

message: Did it occur to who ever added the false claim of macedonian heritage that the citation used (Fox News) sought the information of Shakira's background from Wikipedia after the macedonian claim had already been put up (the macedonian claim was there a few months ago but later removed). Someone please remove this claim because it is un-true and even if it was true, it is taken from a source which used wikipedia as the source - if that makes sense? Her father is of Lebanese heritage only and Shakira has always affirmed this and it is the general media consensus that this is the fact.
Kibris123 at 24th April 20:04 from London
:This is correct. Please refer to the discussion below on sources about this matter. Josh 15:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Macedonian descent?

message: Shakira was asked the question.
"Zivkica Gurcinovska, as she anounced, asked her a provocative question, "Do you have Macedonian ancestry?" because of famous IMDB portal, www.imdb.com states that she is of Columbian, Lebanese and Macedonian origin.
"Shakira answered my question laughing saying that she is the grand, grand, grand, grand child of Alexander the Great Macedonian.....adding that the information on IMDB is sadly not true, but she said she really would love to have Macedonian origins," said Zivkica who will air her interview with Shakira in her new show "No Limits" on Sitel television."
http://macedoniadaily.blogspot.com/2007/02/shakira-wants-to-be-macedonian_03.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makedonia (talk • contribs) 
:This seems like a pretty decent source, and I've taken the Macedonian mention out of the biography bit. If you disagree, just leave a comment here or on my talk page. I'm not one for editing wars. Josh 11:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this problem has been pretty much resolved now. :~) Josh 15:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shakira is not Macedonian

message: The article currently says that her foundation was founded in 2001 (no citation). However, the official website of the foundation (http://www.fundacionpiesdescalzos.com) says 1995 (and for what it's worth, that's what I remember, too). As this article is semi-protected, I can edit it so I kindly ask somebody else to do so.
Abradecol 20:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pies Descalzos Foundation 

message: Does anyone know if any Shakira song has been establish as a signature song? She has so many well-known song as "Estoy Aquí", "Inevitable", "Ciega, Sordomuda", "Whenever, Wherever", "La Tortura" and/or "Hips Don't Lie" that it's difficult to catalogue one of those as a signature song.McMare's 23:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signature song? 

message: What does the above sentence mean? 86.12.249.63 08:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Not considered as official albums in Shakira's discography

message: Shakira's cousin (Isa Mebarak) has also launched a music career. YouTube.com  So, I have taken the liberty of creating a page.  Should we include a reference to this in the Shakira page? Not home 23:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shakira's Cousin (Isa Mebarak) has Started a Music Career