Talk:Cylons/Archive 1

message: The revelation she is a Cylon agent implies that Helo's stranding and Baltar's apparently fortuitous rescue, may be only part of an elaborate Cylon plan.
This statement really doesn't belong here; it's certainly breaking NPOV, as whoever wrote it is seriously reaching.  Not only does it not make sense, as it was Helo who insisted on staying behind and giving up his seat for the Doc, but Ron Moore himself cited in his Podcasts that Helo was never intended as a post-mini-series character.  Fans demanding to know what happened to Helo, along with Moore being surprised by his acting ability prompted him to create the story of Helo on Caprica.  One could allow Moore to rewrite history and suggest that Boomer would have orchestrated it anyway, but that's not the way it happened, and it's certainly not the way it was originally written.
More specifically, we see that it's cosmically important and part of Cylon plan in the way that everything works out conveniently for Baltar, but the suggestion that Boomer-Cylon had a hand is imaginative at best.
:: Absolutely correct, but Moore hints in his 8/27/05 podcast that Helo is a Cylon. Unless I'm totally dense. Hmm? Danlovejoy 03:29, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  It would be surprising if he gave that away so unambiguously.  Can you say which episode in this listing in which it could be found? --Saforrest 05:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Baltar's Fortuitous Rescue

message: "It may also be an allusion to the German word Zyklon (tsʏkloː)" It is my understanding that Zyklon is a direct translation for Cylone. The only reason I can see for the German wording is as an obscure reference for Zyklon B which was used in Nazi concentration camps. If this is the case then it needs to be amended somehow — Zarboki 16:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, Zyklon is just German for "cyclone".  I can't think of any reason for this to be mentioned save the Zyklon B reference.  Anyway this seems really reaching.  Even the explanation for the German pronunciation is wrong: z is pronounced as ts, not s (e.g. Nazi is Nat-see, not Na-see). --Saforrest 04:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The derivative of the name "Cylon" 

message: The Heavy Raider first appears in Season 1 Episode 9, not 13. It is seen above the street shining a spotlight when the cylons are searching for Helo and Boomer, while Helo is looking out the manhole. 205.206.98.72 08:06, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy Raider 

message: The man who did this serie is not much sympathetic to christians. The cylon religion is very alike with the christian religion, because of the monotheis, and other things, placing christians as villains and pagans as heroes. 200.213.85.185 23:07, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cylons are [[Christians]]? 

message: Why is the black doctor who was examining Starbuck on Caprica not found in the images of known Cylons. He has proven to be a Cylon
: Starbuck is the only one to have seen him and thus there is no photo of him available. (?)
: VigilancePrime 00:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black doctor cylon 

message: * Mentioning this in discussion as of course religion can always be a touchy subject (although I doubt there would be any dispute on this).  At any rate, I've removed a line added to Cavil's entry: "One of the Cavil copies on Galactica states that "we" (he and others of his model) tell the others to believe in "one true God". The purpose for this is unknown, but it implies the idea that Cavil might be the humanoid model number one."
* I've rewatched the scene in this episode, and can confirm that the Cavil models express athiesm, not belief:
* Galactica Cavil: "There is no God"
* Caprica Cavil: "Supernatural divinities are the primitives answer for why the sun goes down at night".
* Galactica Cavil: "At least that's what we've been telling the others for years."
* Caprica Cavil: "Can't really prove it one way or the other of course."
* Markeer 21:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cavil and Religion

message: *In the episode where Baltar coerced Boomer into divulging that there were 8 hidden Cylons in the fleet, it was clear what she was saying. That she is model number 8 is a different issue. What stretch of logic would lead one to think that "naturally" one can believe that she MEANT "I'm number 8 and in the fleet" when she said that there were 8 others among the fleet?
*I reverted this part out simply because it goes beyond conjectural at this point, unless some reference or logical progression for this assumption can be given.
* VigilancePrime 02:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Boomer's 8 comment

message: * When Gina/6 destroyed Cloud Nine (and a few other nearby ships, as seen in the SpecEffects shots), did that kill Zarek too? After all, I seem to be led to believe he lived on C9, and he at the least spent a lot of time there. If not, why wouldn't he have been seen in the "One Year Later" scenes? After all, he and Baltar seemed quite close (considering that Zarek got Baltar the election issue).
* Thoughts?
* VigilancePrime 02:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zarek

message: A number of merges into this article are under discussion at Talk:Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series). — Philwelch t 05:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merges

message: This article is pretty poor in its current state - it's too long, it rambles, it does not cite its sources, its tone is wrong in sections ("Amazing!").
It requires a significant clean-up.
--Charlesknight 19:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is in a terrible state 

message: There have been zillions of naming conventions used in this article: "Number numeral," "Name (number #)," "Name (number numeral)," "Name aka Number #," "Number #, aka Name," etc... I suggest people with strong opinions on this state them here, and then we standardize it, and stop reverting each others minor tweaks of this. Debivort 02:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Cylon number should be the primary item in the section headings, when known. If it were a discussion of characters, using various names as a first choice might be acceptable, but since it's a list of Cylon models, I feel the model number is better. The number should be written out according to WP:MOSNUM. As for the "aka" stuff, I think putting (aka name) is good, when the character is primarily known by a single name (e.g. the Colonials referring to the copies of Dean Stockwell's character collectively as "Brother Cavils").   -- Fru1tbat 02:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  consistency in naming of human cylons 

message: For those of you who really have a problem with this uncited info, here's a fact sheet I found on BSG!
http://www.blast.net/hart/Facts.htm
And if you read the novelization of the pilot, it is clear that the Cylons were originally imagined as living beings underneath metallic armor. It doesn't take a leap of the imagination as to why it may have been changed. Only it was ABC's idea, not Larson's.Mr. ATOZ 02:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original intention of Larson to make cylons living beings? 

message: The article says that the Cylons were created to serve a race of reptiles, I'm sure that I remember Apollo telling Boxy that the Cylons were once been an organic race who replaced their bodies with more and more machinery until in the end they were just brainwaves in metal bodies.
perfectblue 10:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins of the Cylons?

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message: Can someone who has seen all current episodes put   warnings in - I don't want to do it as I'll find stuff out I don't want to know!Tompagenet 21:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoilers

message: What is this about Brother Cavil being Number Two and Leoben being Number Eleven? -- Noneofyourbusiness 01:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, Cavil is shown to be #2 in the closed captions. It gets changed back and forth every week or so. As for Leoben being #11 I have no idea... -- Fru1tbat 02:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: CC is rarely a good source for information. If that is all we have to go on, then they should both be relisted as "(Cylon Model Number Unknown)". Koweja 02:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't it more likely that the closed captions were referring to Cavil #2, meaning the second Brother Cavil to speak in the scene in question? -- Noneofyourbusiness 02:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a very good point. For that reason, until more is known, he should be left as "unknown", I think. -- Fru1tbat 03:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: There are 12 human models of Cylon, not 12 models in general. If that's not understood explicitly with Adama's note, The behaviour of the human models to the basestars/raiders/centurions should prove that. If nothing else, Six's line in "Torn" that "We don't discuss them", is more then enough explanation to say tha the Final Five haven't been shown yet at all. - 59.167.14.91 01:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I guess numbering is still interesting if we are speculating on the writers master timeline of events. One would assume that the writers numbered models as the plot timeline first put them in action against the Colonials. Nevertheless I think a model might exist long before being used. 69.23.120.164 17:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this blog entry Number Six was named after Number Six of The Prisoner, and the rest of the numbers were assigned randomly. Of course this doesn't rule out the possibility of the numbers being assigned some kind of significance for some future plotline. -- Gordon Ecker 06:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cylon numbering

message: Shouldn't the article describe the concept of Projection that was talked about in last weeks episode (Torn)? It seems to be an importiant aspect of the Cylon culture and sense of reality. 70.109.228.66 00:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Projection 

message: How do we classify the humanoid model cylons, as robots or cyborgs? I think cyborgs for the humanoid models as they are a mixture of living tissue and mechanical components. The Centurions are definitely robots. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The humanoid Cylons are bio androids, I'd say. "Cyborg" usually refers to a regular lifeform which has been modified. -- Noneofyourbusiness 05:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  classification 

message: Sorry to interrupt here, when Six said to Baltar that there was only 12 models of cylons, she did not say "humanoid" cylons.
But in the 3rd season there is a reference to the "final five" I wonder if it's a minor inconsistency or what.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Freeflyer (talk • contribs) 12:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think an unspoken assumption should count as an inconsistancy. It was officially stated fairly early on that the count only includes the numbered humanoid models, not raiders or centurions, and soon after the Hybrids were introduced, it was confirmed that they aren't in the count either. -- Gordon Ecker 05:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total number of models 

message: Is it significant that each of the four humanoid Cylons revealed thus far has a name beginning with 'T'?  (I observe that there is yet a remaining Cylon to be revealed, but at least two characters who have a name which begins with 'T': Zarek and Starbuck.)  Or is this just a writer's nod towards their Toaster heritage?  Wooster (talk) 16:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cylon final five names 

message: Regarding the sentence about speech in the Centurions section, didn't one of them speak in the pilot miniseries?  I could've sworn one of them did the classic "by your command" line on the Armistice Station. Tarc 18:33, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...have not been shown using speech" 

message: "despite their origins, the Cylons believe themselves to be spiritual beings"
:Can someone explain what this is supposed to mean? I think the statement is implying a contradiction between the Cylons' artificiality and their spirituality, but there's nothing inherently contradictory about this, so it seems somewhat original and opinionated. I'd suggest that a more appropriate statement would be "in contrast to the view of them held by most humans ("toasters"), the Cylons believe themselves to be spiritual beings." Steve 12:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: There should be additional info added to the Centurions about the one encountered in the First Cylon War, and the ones on the old Basestar. 70.55.85.95 (talk) 04:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Razor 

message: This should be changed, as the Hybrid in Razor is played by an elderly male. KyuzoGator 01:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The standard hybrids are played by Tiffany. The first prototype hybrid was played by ... ? 70.55.85.95 (talk) 04:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...Campbell Lane. Added brief info about that into the article. Canez (talk) 17:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Hybrids are played by Tiffany Lyndall-Knight" 

message: From the article: "It seems that members of the 'Final Five' do not share these vulnerabilities - Anders does not contract the virus when aboard the diseased basestar, and neither Tyrol nor Tigh suffer any ill effects when aboard Ragnar Anchorage (although their exposure was far less than Leoben's)."
Anders was never on the diseased basestar.  Doral arrived at Ragnar shortly after Tyrol and Tigh did, and he didn't show any effects until long after they left. 98.164.64.171 (talk) 21:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vulnerabilities 

message: I was wondering if there should be inclusion of the link between 12 Cylon models, 12 apostles, and 12 Greek gods (tribes of Kobol)?  This was utilized in the least for a promotional image of the Last Supper featuring the cast for Season 4. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 23:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not unless you want to link to every other bloody thing under @{%deity% ? %deity%'s : null} green Earth. I'm sorry, but "12 as special" permeates everything on earth just about, and might be significant except... every other number under eleven does as well.96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 12

message: There seem to be three notable 8's now... Boomer, Athena, and the leadership rep (whom we saw on Caprica as well...) 70.55.85.225 (talk) 06:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  notable 8s 

message: 1-6+8 .... seems to lead to #7 being somehow important, and probably the missing Final Five. Especially if you consider 8 did not know she was a deep agent in the fleet... like the Final Four. 70.55.85.225 (talk) 06:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm leaning more toward TPTB not doing their math right and for the sake of the article I doubt there's any reason to mention it until and if it's addressed in the show. Canez (talk) 07:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not doing math right?? Come on! Any bunch of people capable of producing such a popular TV show will surely be skilled enough to count properly. It's a clear and obvious numbering anomaly that would never have gotten past the proof readers if it were an error. 86.21.12.202 (talk) 23:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  numbering 

message: I completely rewrote the section on their history as I thought it didn't really read that well. But I may have included too much information so it might need to be shortened. Canez (talk) 05:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

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message: Hi, sorry for my poor english. I was just thinking : shouldn't be this article also mentioning the ability that cylons have to distinguish a particular individual among a model, just by looking at him or her, although this individual is just a clone ?
As we've already seen in the show, humans seem to be unable to recognize a particular cylon individual, and can only recognise this individual as a member of a "model".  
This is also the case for centurions : when the number 8 "Athena" goes back on New Capprica during the human rescue mission (at the beginning of season 3), she's not recognized by centurions, and therefor not shot or arrested by them, although she's a known traitor to her own kind.
However, during her mission she meets a number 3 who recognizes her almost immediately.
The same phenomenon has been observed many times : 
- when both humans and cylons converge near the planet on which they discover the eye of Jupiter, a group composed of a 1, a 3 and an 8 comes aboard Galactica to negociate the right to retrieve the artefact. Athena is guarding the room in which the negociations are about to take place, and then instantaneously recognizes the 8 of the coming cylon group as the ressurected "Boomer", just by looking at her. Other humans, however, hadn't recognized her (even Saul Tigh, who is also a Cylon, but who wasn't aware of it at this time). 
- during the episode "downloaded", many other cylons pay their respect to the number 6 who has helped the cylons hacking the colonial defense main fraim before the attack (the six nicknamed as "Capprica"). They distinguish her without effort from the other 6s
- at the beginning of season 4, when cylons are debating about the raiders' general lobotomy, an 8 comes to explain that she disagrees with the global opinion of her model. The 6 Nathalie (who is representing the 6s for this decision) identifies her immediately as "boomer", just at a glance. 
How they do that is never explained in the show. But I think this would be interesting to mention it in the article, as an other "superhuman ability" of the cylons. I just can't add it myself in the article, since my english is not good enough.
I also had a question which has nothing to do with it : it's about the timing of resurrection of number 6 "Capprica-6". 
As we've seen in the serie, the ressurection of a cylon happens almost immediately after his death. Future 8 "Athena" mentions it when Kara Thrace comes on Capprica to retrieve the arrow of Appolo, and kills a 6 who attacked her : when seeing the dead body of the 6, Sharon says "Her consciousness is being downloaded to an other body right now" (or something like that), implying that the resurrection process of this 6 is just taking place at the moment. 
Other exemple : when 8 Athena asks Helo to kill her in order to be downloaded on the cylon ressurection ship to take her baby back, her ressurection happens very quickly after she's killed 
But for Capprica-6, it's odd : she' killed just after the attack on the colonies (by protecting Baltar with her body when his house explodes), but the episode "downloaded" in which she comes back to life seems to happen long after those events (since Boomer informs her that now Baltar is the vice president of the survivors).
If "downloaded" was taking place in fact long after the ressurection of Capprica-6, it means she would be having troubles with her feelings for Baltar and her second life for 10 months ! quite long, for a sort of nervous breakdown. And why the hell would then the other cylons be congratulating her for her actions just then, 10 months after her mission's success ?
I just don't get it. Do you ?  
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.195.131.17 (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cylons' ability to recognise each other

message: The Earther Cylons / Kobol Cylons should get mention, as they are a different type from the Colonial Cylons. The head of the robotic one also looks different. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 05:36, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kobolian Cylons 

message: Whole article needs major rewrites after the revelations of the last episode.
#1: There are thirteen models, including "Daniel"
#2: The "Final Five" are really the "Original Five" skin jobs, and actually *designed* the other eight.
#3: The primary motivation for destroying the humans is not religious, as John Cabble (#1) has rewritten his belief in god programming, and is primarily his manipulation of the rest of the cylons to destroy manking out of revenge for his own self-loathing for the form he was given by Ellen Tigh.
#4: Cylons were not all created as cybernetic servants of the twelve colonies. A fair chunk of them are from Earth a thousand yahrens ago and it has not been revelned why they were made (nor has itt been made clear whether the Final/Original Five were actually cylon during their tenure on Earth, or whether they were humans who found a way to download into new Cylon bodies preparaed in orbit around Earth before beginning their subluminal voyage)
Of course, the article takes on a determinedly certain point of view -- a foolish endeavour in a show with this many sudden plot twists and startling revelations -- and as a result is thoroughly wrong throughout despite adherence to Wikipedia standards.
Almost makes me wonder if the guys who write BSG are as derisive of Wikipedia's "standards," and how said standards are an utter failure to go from concept to functional practice, as I am, and are thus in part motivated by an urge to "fuck with Wikipedia". I know I would be.96.225.212.89 (talk) 13:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt strongly that anyone was out to mess us up. This is simply a case of hindsight being 20/20. Now that the series is over, everything can be given a final once-over, corrected, and left for posterity. --BlueSquadronRaven 14:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well, there goes the article... 

message: Someone has unfortunately proposed on this page that the character is John Cavil, suggesting that this is one name. However, my interpretation is that John is an alternative name for Cavil (not unlike the alternatives for the Six), and both are first names, as suggested by how the character has shed the "John" name and gone with Cavil, quite likely one he gave himself, as he shuns all from his creator. Meanwhile, the eager editor has also created a John Cavil page, further expanding on their assumption it is one name. This should be noted on the page. Echoniner (talk) 09:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Although he is not referred to as such on the air, Ron Moore refers to the character as "John Cavil" in his podcast for "no Exit."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.40.212.28 (talk) 07:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cavil vs John 

message: This should have been clear enough long ago, but it should be ultra-clear after the final episode the Head Six is not a Cylon at all and thus not an instance of the Six model. She's something like an angel who appears to Baltar to look like the Six model. Saying she's an instance of the Six model is like saying Head Baltar is human because he looks like Baltar to Caprica Six. Parableman (talk) 21:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head Six not a Cylon 

message: Read up on Enneagrams and all will be revealed.  Most of what is mysterious about the re-imagining is just due to the fact
that most westerners are unfamiliar with eastern philosophy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.142.31 (talk) 09:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cylon numbering, Personalities, and Eastern Mysticism 

message: Who is Sonja? The article doesn't tell. And does anybody know the name that Caprica Six used before the Cylon attack? Certainly Baltar didn't call her "Caprica Six".--Dvd-junkie (talk) 09:36, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Battlestar wiki, Sonja is the Six who was elected to the fleet's Quorum. I don't think Caprica Six's original name was ever mentioned in the series. 72.224.40.131 (talk) 23:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you take a peek at her own article, you'll see that there are two cited references to support the fact that Baltar actually never bothered to learn her name the entire time they were together prior to the attacks. Now, what name she was given/had chosen should he have asked is up in the air.--Bacteria (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number Six (Caprica-Six / Head Six / Shelley Godfrey / Gina Inviere / Natalie / Sonja) 

message: The Number Seven (Daniel) section seems to have lost something in the wording at some point.  The second-last sentence in the first paragraph reads "The Sevens were not mentioned again during Battlestar Galactica's remaining episodes." (emphasis added)  This implies that there should be a reference to some episode earlier in the paragraph, but there isn't.  I'm not a regular editor on this article, nor fan enough to know all this info, so I thought I'd mention it for someone else to fix.  It might be in the page history, but with over 1000 edits, I didn't want to chance resurrecting the wrong info, even if I found it. —RobinHood70 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor problem in Number 7 section 

message: AFAICT Caprica changed the origin of the Cylons in such a way that it destroys the story of BSG. If Capricans invented Cylons, what happened to the 2,000 year journey made by the Final Five, Cylons all, from Earth to the Colonies? Without them, there is no resurrection ship and no skinjobs. (Caprica produced robots, not cyborgs.) Please correct me if I'm wrong, but otherwise, I'll update the article accordingly. I don't know why they didn't locate the prequel to Earth and show that part of the story. They could have called it the Thirteenth Tribe. Zoe, et. al., could have been included. Cheers! Lfstevens (talk) 20:37, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the issue is a misunderstanding of what was described in BSG.  As it was explained in BSG, the Thirteenth Tribe was composed of organic Cylons.  It's implied that they had their own Cylon Centurions that rebelled, and caused the eradication of the original Cylons.  The Original/Final Five were able to survive by downloading.  They then travelled at sub-light speed to the Twelve Colonies, because they knew that humans would continue making artificial intelligence and they wanted to warn them to treat them well.  Because the trip took thousands of years, they were too late, and the First Cylon War had already begun.  This explanation is also in line with the whole "This has happened before, this will happen again" theme of the fourth season.  They never got into a full history of how the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons came to be, but it was made clear that they were developed separately and independently from the Twelve Colony Cylons.  So, Caprica doesn't negate BSG, it simply describes how the Twelve Colony Cylons were created.  It has nothing to do with the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons.G1811 (talk) 17:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of cylons 

message: Per the tag, I copyedited this. It was quite a mess. It is now shorter and quite different. Many points are still not linked to a specific episode, but I must leave that to an expert. Feedback encouraged. Cheers! Lfstevens (talk) 07:29, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit 

message: I don't get why this crap was allowed on Wikipedia in the first place. Wikia is specifically made for things like this. They don't belong in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia as a whole needs to undergo a period of extreme deletionist policy. The amount of poor articles on unneccessary topics is staggering. If the energy spent on this crap were invested in improving actual encyclopedic content, great things would happen.   Pariah24  ┃ ☏   23:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Fancruft rant...

message: No need to have 3 separate articles on Cylons in the same way you don't need 3 on Daleks Ethanpet113 (talk) 19:27, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Klbrain (talk) 19:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Cylon (1978)]]