Talk:Lists of universities in France

message: There are eighty-one public universities in France. This list directs readers to the articles for each of the universities, and also distinguishes these universities from the non-public universities and from institutions that might otherwise be confused with public universities (for instance, the universities of technology, former universities such as the University of Paris, and university systems such as the University of Toulouse).
This list also helps readers find the appropriate articles for universities that may be known by multiple names. For example, Université Pierre-Mendès-France is also known as Grenoble 2, or by its initials UPMF. A university's name can be rendered into English in a multitude of ways: for example, Université Victor Segalen Bordeaux 2 could be rendered as Victor Segalen University Bordeaux 2 or Victor Segalen Bordeaux 2 University.
This list is organized by academy in order to group the universities into related units. A strictly alphabetic list would be less informative, and would require multiple entries for each of a given university's multiple possible names.
MyPOV 02:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why this page? 

message: There is a strong tendency to adhere to the old numbering terminology of the University of Paris system, with its thirteen universities, Paris 1 - Paris 13, or Paris I - Paris XIII. This view of the system is so well anchored in people's thinking that it is even reflected in some official sites. However, there are two ways in which this system no longer reflects the underlying reality:
* The thirteen universities no longer fall under the administrative purview of a single academy based in Paris. Paris 8, Paris 12, and Paris 13 are in the Academy of Créteil, and Paris 10 and Paris 11 are in the Academy of Versailles. For documentary evidence on the web, please see the Academy of Créteil's presentation of its universities, the Academy of Versailles' presentation of its universities, and this list of public universities by academy from the Ministry of Education.
* Two of the universities no longer identify themselves by their old numbers.  To see this, please visit the web sites of  Paris Descartes University (formerly Paris 5, and still using a Paris 5 URL) and Pierre and Marie Curie University (formerly Paris 6). The former Paris 9 is now called Paris Dauphine University and is no longer a public university.
Wikipedia should be helping its readers understand this new, and somewhat messier, reality, even if it means giving up a neat, but outdated, organizing schema. At the same time, it should also present the history of the University of Paris system, including the time when there were thirteen numbered campuses. Perhaps the correct place for this would be in the article on the University of Paris?
MyPOV 19:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Universities of Paris 

message: Draft for a new, sortable list.  MyPOV (talk) 03:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New list

message: Some of these translations are appalling and entirely unconventional: having studied and taught at Lyon 2, nobody refers to it in English as 'Lumiere University'. The usual translations are along the lines of University [Louis] Lumiere - Lyon 2/University of Lyon 2 - [Louis] Lumiere/Lyon 2 - University [Louis] Lumiere. Someone needs to find sources in academic translation manuals rather than in inventing their own translations.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheOctafish (talk • contribs) 13:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A name such as University Lumière is unidiomatic in English. When coupled with a proper name X, the idiomatic form is X University. MyPOV (talk) 06:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor/non-conventional translation 

message: The list on this page is seriously out of date. Many institution names have changed and there have been a number of mergers and at least one split. The French ministry of higher education and research lists 73 "Université" as of 24 July 2015. There is an open data portal with details on names, wikidata links, etc. available here: Principaux établissements d'enseignement supérieur. I propose to replace the main list on this page with an up-to-date table similar to MyPOV's above - however skipping the abbreviated names and enrollment, and adding in the University website link from the above data source. I'll probably get this in some time next week unless somebody objects? Thanks... ArthurPSmith (talk) 12:17, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: So, these changes have been made. I also moved the university systems page (largely on the PRES associations) to a more historical state and added the current associations to this page. Hope this is found suitable. The list here is current as of the 24 July 2015 information from the French Ministry of Higher Education and Research.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArthurPSmith (talk • contribs) 14:46, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates needed