Talk:United Nations Parliamentary Assembly

message: I removed this statement because no source was provided. Captain Zyrain 02:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please look at the above. AnonMoos 13:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments transferred from wrong location

message: Is GDP an objective enough measure to use in weighted voting? GDP depends at least partly on estimates, doesn't it? Captain Zyrain 18:00, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: GDP as a factor in weighted voting

message: The apportionment chart currently compares Israel, North Korea, the United States, India, and China. Does anyone have any other suggestions for comparions? I compared Israel and North Korea to show how North Korea's population advantage is neutralized by its "Not free" status under the Provisional People's Assembly method and by its relatively weak GDP under the Schwartzberg Weighted Voting method. Captain Zyrain 05:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it so it now compares Brazil, Indonesia, United States, India, and China, the five most populous countries. Captain Zyrain 05:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Could it be amended to include a group of small countries - perhaps Africa, to show how their say would decline under this proposal. AndrewRT(Talk) 19:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison of representation of various states

message: I was thinking about adding a qualification that a UNPA need not, strictly speaking, be directly elected. I mean, it would be possible, for example, for peoples to specifically vote for delegates who would in turn chose the official international representatives (whether in the rubber-stamp mode of the current U.S. electoral college, or as a conscience-voting intermediate body. This would still be different from the current U.N. system in that people around the world would have a specific vote pertaining to international issues and the intermediate body would necessarily be an elected one (and not through the executive). Brettz9 02:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Delegates for internal affairs are different of these for external affairs. They can be elected the same day, in different votings. --Nopetro 12:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The CDUN proposal is explicitly that UNPA members would not be directly elected - at least at first - just as the europarl wasn't. AndrewRT(Talk) 19:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: If they aren't directly elected it would be possible for a country like china to interfere with the election process in their own country and appoint only delegates from the Communist Party of China instead of an independent who would have been elected were this not the case.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.220.185.75 (talk) 10:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direct election 

message: This page needs its references to be cleaned up. I've done the first step, which is putting them in the format of , but now it needs to be put in the format of The European Parliament Report #32767, May 1, 2007.. Perhaps I will do that when I have a multi-monitor system that will allow me to efficiently do this (having all these windows open is cumbersome, and the project would take hours with one monitor). Captain Zyrain 16:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't there a script somewhere that can do this automatically? Captain Zyrain 14:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Does UNA-USA continue to oppose a UNPA? I was wondering whether they might have changed their policy, in the wake of WFUNA announcing its support of a UNPA. Captain Zyrain 03:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide a link to a statement from WFUNA or a news article about their support? Tfleming 16:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.wfuna.org/news/plenary_assembly/pa38_resolutions.cfm#UN_Parliamentary . It is currently a footnote in the article. Captain Zyrain 17:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UNA-USA

message: Here are some pertinent editorials:
*Why the UN Needs a Parliamentary Body, Andreas Bummel, Mail & Guardian, 25 Oct. 2007.
*Sharing UN power with the people is a timely idea, but won't happen easily, Barbara Yaffe, Vancouver Sun, Oct. 16, 2007
*Global Problems Demand Global Democracy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarsaparilla (talk • contribs) 13:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Editorials

message: Is it necessary to include citations in the lead when those issues are addressed and sourced in subsequent sections? Sarsaparilla (talk) 00:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to be lax on that so long as it is covered elsewhere, but there is no harm in copying up the citation just to cover your bases.- J Logan t: 10:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: *http://www.wfm.org/site/index.php?module=uploads&func=download&fileId=130
*http://roche.apirg.org/public_html/writings/documents/nuclear/UNParReform.pdf
Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Which link is better?

message: I am trying to figure out the best way to hierarchically structure this article. I got rid of the "pros and cons" organization but now it's not clear under what headings to put all these different topics. Maybe they can all be top-level headings, as is the case with US Senate. Sarsaparilla (talk) 11:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Structure, cont'd

message: I'm having trouble finding acceptably-licensed pics to use in this article. Can anyone find one of the National People's Congress? Sarsaparilla (talk) 11:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pics

message: In reference to the comment that wikisource is not a reliable source, the last time I nominated an article for FAC, I ran into objections for not using Wikisource because the external source moved its page, causing all the links to the treaty text to become broken. See Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Convention_on_Psychotropic_Substances/Archive1. Sarsaparilla (talk) 13:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikisource

message: Does this proposed body not take into account the area ruled by a country? If it is only taking the population into account, then densely populated and small country X could steal sparsely populated and large country Y's resources. 
ie. Mexico could vote to strip Canada of it's resources. 
And if economic production is all that is taken into account, then the US could vote to strip Russia of its resources.
* population
* area controlled
* economic production
* inherent natural resources
* heritage resources
need to be taken into account. 
132.205.44.5 (talk) 02:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area ruled 

message: Any objections to me creating two new sections on "supporters" and "opponents" - a simple list of people/organisations that support or oppose the proposal and their arguments for or against? AndrewRT(Talk) 20:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am against. There are just too much out there to be mentioned. 89.60.253.71 (talk) 13:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I second the opposition, for the same reasons, and because it places the focus on the supporters/opponents rather than the proposal. Tfleming (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also oppose as it will degrade the quality of the article. Eklipse (talk) 17:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Section 

message: I am dreaming.THis is the first Fa article i have seen which does not have any criticism.What about removal of national sovereignty? -- (User:122.163.149.42, 11:42, 18 December 2008 -- sig added by 201.53.7.16 (talk) 21:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First, congratulations to the authors on the FA status. Now to this question (you didn't sign your name with the four tildes, so i don't know whom i'm addressing), how does making an until-now undemocratic UN system more representative of the governed "remove" national sovereignty? Also, are you suggesting, despite centuries of evolving political architecture from city-state to nation to federations, that national sovereignty is a concise package that is all or nothing? Tfleming (talk) 14:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't write the above comment, but giving the UN a democratic mandate would give it popular sovereignty creating conflicting mandates between tiers of government. It would be allowed to go over the heads of national governments and create incoherency. What about national parliaments that represent the governed within their countries? Their roles would be diminished at the expense of better representation. To an extent sovereignty is all-or-nothing as it's a question of where ULTIMATE power lies. 79.72.129.231 (talk) 17:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are suggesting that the democratic mandate would be all-inclusive and that sovereign authority confers ultimate authority. I and others don't view in this regard. My local town council exercises a reasonable degree of sovereignty, as does my state legislature. While one can debate where the line is, these sovereign authorities nonetheless protect my interests as a citizen not only directly, but by limiting other actors (i.e. Congress) from more easily exercising sovereigntly over me; the U.S. founders referred to this and other limits as checking ambition with ambition. It is less a conflict between tiers of governments as it is a competition between sovereign authorities. Likewise, I am supportive of establishing yet another authority, with direct authority on trans-border concerns (i.e. terrorism, climate change), to compete for my vote with my local, state and national authorities. I'm willing in the short term to allow this global democratic body to be appointed by my national legislature, just as the U.S. Senate was originally appointed by state legislatures; eventually, however, it should derive its mandate from direct elections around the world. Tfleming (talk) 21:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  how it is a feature article?.there is no criticism section 

message: As a Proud, Unapologetic American I need to say that I am non-negotiably opposed to something European like a "parliament" being forced on MY country to be funded, of course, with MY hard earned tax dollars.  No doubt they'd start passing measures left and right to curtail the Freedom that my Country has the unique custom of enjoying, taking away my Right to love my Country.  Out go American rights, in come European rules.  This article needs to represent the view of real Americans like me and my family who are sicker then a dead pig at the thought of this!
: A parliament is not European anymore than a congress is American. They are both simply legislatures. China's legislative body is called the National People's Congress. And please, stop playing the victim; you're no more "real" or "proud" an American that the rest of us who also vote, pay our hard-earned taxes to the government, and learn about political terms so as to make an informed decision. Tfleming (talk) 15:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, being "proud" and "unapologetic"  is not a good thing. But you shouldn't swear at them then it looks like a mudslinging match.--99.141.190.71 (talk) 23:25, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

text: There's very little difference between a congress and a parliament beyond the name. Also, I have real difficulty believing you are a real person and not a troll, such a ridiculous caricature as you are. 66.183.11.233 (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
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message: As was pointed out 13 years ago here, there is no criticism section. This is a lunatic idea only entertained by fantasists, and for a number of extremely obvious reasons will never come to pass, this should be detailed in the article. 84.211.58.90 (talk) 00:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice you haven't created a criticism section. Perhaps you're not aware of any criticism that can be explained in detail using trustworthy secondary sources? 20WattSphere (talk) 00:35, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the criticism section for this insane idea? 

message: This 2007 promotion has quite significant issues:
* "A directly elected UNPA might have common election standards if it follows the example of European Parliament (EP)." - blatant original research; the source for this is the EP's election standards themselves
* "There are five main options for creating a UN Parliamentary Assembly, according to various assessments." - says who?
* "Amending the UN Charter, possibly through a Charter Review Conference under Article 109 of the UN Charter, is a commonly cited possibility" - cited to a group proposing to amend the UN charter in this method
* "There have been only five amendments to the UN Charter since 1945, and none of them were done through the Article 109 process" - it sure feels like the fact that one of these amendments was to Article 109 itself should be mentioned
* "Another possibility is establishing the UNPA as a subsidiary body of the UN General Assembly. The General Assembly has authority to do this under Article 22 of the UN Charter" - we should be sourcing General Assembly authorities to a scholarly source about UN governance, not a group advocating for the creation of the subject of this article
* "Another possibility is establishing the UNPA as a subsidiary body of the UN General Assembly. The General Assembly has authority to do this under Article 22 of the UN Charter" - why is this sourced to the membership rules of Parliamentarians for Global Action
* "As of June 2017, CEUNPA's appeal was endorsed by thousands of signatories from over 150 countries, among them hundreds of parliamentarians, civil society leaders, leading academics and distinguished individuals such as former UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali, the President of the Pan-African Parliament, Gertrude Mongella, Academy Award winner Emma Thompson, SF-author Sir Arthur C. Clarke and Edgar Mitchell, former NASA astronaut and sixth human being to walk on the moon" - sourced to a group making an appeal for the existance of this proposed organization, definite promotional tone
* "A UNPA could be created through a stand-alone treaty. This would have the advantage that as few as 20 or 30 economically and geographically diverse countries could establish a UNPA" - yes, there's two citations here, but there's absolutely no reason to cite "Committee for a World Parliament" here
* Take a look at the sourcing for the second paragraph of the "powers" section - this is horribly POV.  To source a section that seems to be praising the organization, we have the Democratic World Federalists, the "testimonials" page of Committee for a Democratic UN, another webpage by the Committee for a Democratic UN, something called "the new world parliament.org", and a contextless Cronkite quote.
* For a proposed political polity like this, we need actual scholarly and legal analysis.  We get slight touches of academic sourcing in a few rare spots, but this is almost entirely sourced to political groups that have obvious connections to the subject.  The result is a strong POV issue.  In no way is this article even close to the FA standards. Hog Farm  Talk 23:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Re the last dot point: secondary sources are preferred over primary (academic) sources. I understand there is only limited discussion of UNPA in media, but this isn't the fault of the UNPA concept. You've criticised virtually all civil society organisations which have weighed in on the idea (various dot points) - aren't these the best we can do? Having said that, there are various academic sources which could be integrated listed under the heading "Schwartzberg-centered" above. 20WattSphere (talk) 00:44, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

text: The UN High Commissioner on Human Rights commissioned a report in 2013 on this idea - this could contain useful sources https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2013/10/time-global-united-nations-parliamentary-assembly-un-independent-expert 20WattSphere (talk) 10:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sizable issues 

message: See Wikipedia:Featured article review/United Nations Parliamentary Assembly/archive1 SandyGeorgia (Talk)  06:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV tag added 

message: Hi all. I've noticed that a large number of topics on this talk page are actually about editors' personal opinions on the article's subject, rather than the quality of the article. I propose to delete any topics like this, to make it easier to navigate. Thanks 20WattSphere (talk) 22:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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