Talk:Nisga'a

message: Have a look at our website:
http://www.nisgaahall.ca
Also have a look at my website, it is total information on our culture, history, language and traditions.
http://www.citytel.net/~nisga1/
- 19:38, 2005 May 14 
: cool. thanks for the links. peace – ishwar  (speak) 03:13, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Website

message: Just a note to mention the need to create a more fully-fleshed out Nisga'a cultural/historical article, and also for a separate article, even a stub-like one, for the Nisga'a government; this is to conform to emerging standards within the Indigenous Peoples Wikiproject; the reason is that in many cases ethno/culture articles and government/organization articles do NOT coincide; this is more or less not the case here, but making the separation between articles will help with indexing and x-referencing and just being, well, precise.Skookum1 20:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps more importantly, we need a separate and expanded article on the 2000 Nisga'a agreement. - TheMightyQuill 06:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: need for separate nation/ethno article vs. one for the Nisga'a Nation government

message: This caught my eye:
:The land-claim's settlement was the first formal treaty between a First Nation and the Province of British Columbia in modern times.
Actually, I believe the proper wording there is ...and the Province of British Columbia.  Period, ever, that's it.  The only prior treaties (I think) were with the Colony of British Columbia - and wait a minute, with the Colony of Vancouver Island, that is.  I don't think there were any with the Province, unless the Treaty 6 areas were somehow acknowledged by the early BC regime when it joined Confederation (?).Skookum1 07:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Came by looking for certain declaration date, but...

message: I just noticed the list of Nisga'a organizations and governments in the body of the text is made out of external links; those belong only in the "External links" section and what should be in the main body is, if anything, plain text, but in the case of needed articles - as all of these are, or most of them maybe - it's best to redlink them (see Sto:lo and St'at'imc, although I'm working my way through all tribal councils and band governments throughout BC to bluelink everything with at least stubs, and appropriately cat (as it "to cat") their various categories and interrelationships.  I tried going back through the history to see when these went in, but it's back quite a ways before my last visit so I must not have noticed on the first time through; this is one of the more thorough First Nations pages for BC, by the way, and has taken advantage of Wiki's article-buildling depth to build profiles of Nisga'a people/personalities in ways not yet done for other BC First Nations; impressive, but needs work to bring it into line with Wiki standards, and I daresay a Featured Article status once all its subarticles are done and its content and those of related argticles (e.g. Nisga'a Nation, which may redirect here - ? - should be for the Nisga'a government, this page is about history, culture, people, ethnography....) is fleshed out; I'd imagine there's already a separate article on the Nisga'a Treaty and the negotiation history behind it - ?? - should be high-priority anyway, if not extant, whatever its proper article/agreement/document title....).Skookum1 08:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks; tried to fix Laxgalts'ap but still not sure about why that unicode so leaving it until you fix it; is that an underline-g or ??.  And I'm not sure about this, and of course you would be, but if the appropriate name for the Nisga'a government is Nisga'a Lisims, that should probably be the main government article instead of Nisga'a Nation; I've been intending on some kind of list or history on the early/ongoing efforts to address constitutional/treaty issues since colonial times, and so of course the Nisga'a efforts from c.1890 or so are front-and-centre; turns up in bios of Premiers, judges and such I've been reading up on; docs involved might be best put in WikiSource, although for now there's ones like Declaration of the Lillooet Tribe I'd put in main Wikipedia, but apparently they're "source documents" so should go to WikiSource instead; that would include texts of historical material as well as current constitutional/treaty material.Skookum1 19:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nisga'a Lisims it is, so any government reference should refer to the Nisga'a Lisims Government with the corresponding Nisga'a term: Wilp Si’ayuukhl Nisga’a (still figuring out unicode, but there is underline 'k' and 'g'. Historically obviously the tribal council. No more bands in the old 'Indian Affairs' definition there anymore, so just the villages to add on my part. The history of the land question and plight should make for some good reading here, too.--Keefer4 20:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Postscript to the above; I just noticed inthe nifobox someone has placed "band of clans" with links for band going to F=First Nations government etc; yet this is not FN governmetn according to the usual meaning of that,i.e. not an Indian Act government; I'm wondering how to describe "traditional government" as a title/cat as there's a big difference, even though the composition of band governments is (if things are ever settled) likely going to look very muchy like the reinstated traditional governments; Nisga'a is the only one in BC that I'm aware of where the traditional government has superseded the colonialist one; those in the Douglas Treaties are not the same FWIU.  Anyway just notes, was poking around, found the territory maps while looking for something else on BC gov maps (all pay-for in some way now....).Skookum1 (talk) 19:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of external links in main text/body

message: ...does it represent a glottal stop? Is that generally a fair assumption when I see First Nations words with apostrophes in them?
Stevecudmore (talk) 13:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It may, I don't know any Nisga'a.....but the apostrophe can represent a bunch of things depending on which native language, and which orthographic system, is at question.  Many BC native languages use '7' for the glottal stop - Skwxwu7mesh for example, and it's fairly standard in Salishan languages, also found in Nuu-chah-nulth, not sure about the others; I think Nlaka'pamux may use teh apostrophe (as in the case of their name, though not sure that's a glottal stop).  In "St'at'imcets" the /t'/ is a lateral fricative - /tl/ or /lh/ - usually rendered in previous spellings by "tl", as in the old spellings Stlatliumh and Stl'atl'imx.   The piont of the new orthography was to make St'at'imc spelling distinct from that of English; but now they insist on using their spelling in English, instead of the anglicized form (Stlatliumh, which is now pronounced "incorrect" or "debased").  In Chinookan and in "official" modern Chinuk-Wawa, the /t'/ is a ejective - t'alapus (coyote) is the word that comes to mind; kind of like a Korean double-t /tt/......given taht all these languages are part off the same sprachbund, which is to say they share a common set of phonemes despite vast lingstuic differences, it would have been nice if they'd have all settled on teh same orthographic system......but taht's too political to accomplish ((neighbouring tribes, even within the same language area, often choose different spelling systems just to not have the same as their neighbours....).Skookum1 (talk) 14:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure but I think Tlingit may use the colon, or the period, for the glottal stop.Skookum1 (talk) 14:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The word really ends phonologically in a glottal stop, which is reflected in the apostrophe. Phonetically, the preceding vowel is weakly rearticulated after the syllable-final glottal stop, which is what is reflected in the following "a".Bill (talk) 01:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The apostrophe in Nisga'a...

message: Nisga'a Nation is needed as a government page; there may be a more complete title possible, I'll check around.  This article covers a lot of nice ethno stuff but the infobox is government oriented and shoudl be on a government-type page, which can have more about the treaty proceedings since "way back then"...also internal politicsl history of the band(s), historical chiefs/councillors, details of lands etc; this page should focus on ethnographic/cutlural/historical materials distinct from stuff to do with the government and related materials..Skookum1 (talk) 19:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Equivalent splits exist, e.g. Secwepemc vs Shuswap Nation Tribal Council/Northern Shuswap Tribal Council, Haida/Council of the Haida Nation.  A few others need doing yet e.g. Nuxalk,Nuxalk Nation but all in time; this one's just priority-enough and has enough independent ethno content to make it worth doing.Skookum1 (talk) 19:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Split needed - Nisga'a vs. [[Nisga'a Nation]]

message: Really? That's kind of unusual on the Northwest coast where houses more often opened towards the water. East is a strange direction to favor in the mountainous topography of the region as well--the sun is as likely to be seen in the south as the east most mornings. I'd like to see a citation for this claim.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.177.88 (talk) 15:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: the doors faced the east

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message: The history section has a reference to another main article and this reference suggests that it will treat the history of Nisga'a in a more elaborate manner. It does not really make sense to refer to this article on a geological phenomenon, however. 2001:1C02:1907:9500:386E:8041:AF78:187A (talk) 20:58, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  History