Talk:24 Hours of Le Mans

message: In order to improve the usefullness of the talk page, I have archived the previous talk page here []. I only archived material I felt was no longer in date. If you disagree with any of the changes, feel free to make changes of your own. DrMotley (talk) 14:06, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Have added an actual archive, what you did was delete the content. --Falcadore (talk) 03:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion Page Archive 

message: Looking at Le Mans cars from the late 1960s, I’m surprised that this wasn’t mentioned as a major influence to the Speed Racer cartoon. 209.54.10.84 (talk) 16:35, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Speed Racer

message: The "1982–1993" section reads
::In 1989 too a W.M.-Peugeot set up a new record speeding at 406 km/h (253 mph)
But the Innovations/Aerodynamics section does not seem to acknowledge this
::During the 1988 race, the crew of a W.M. prototype taped over the engine openings and set a recorded speed of 404 km/h (251 mph) down the Mulsanne in a publicity stunt, although the car was almost undrivable elsewhere on the circuit and the engine was soon destroyed from a lack of cooling. However, for the 1989 event, the Mercedes-Benz C9 reached 399 km/h (248 mph) under qualifying conditions.
It seems to me that if Peugeot reached 406 km/h in 1989 under qualifying or race conditions then the Innovations/Aerodynamics section should reference this instead.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by User5910 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the official ACO speed trap figures, published after the 1989 race, the C9 reached a maximum speed of 400 km/h in qualifying and 386 in the race. This was the last time the Mulsanne Straight was used in uninterrupted form. From 1990 onwards, two chicanes have been used. The ACO speed trap is the only one in use and all figures which come from it are the official ones. It has been operating and recording statistics since 1961. The ACO, which operates it, is also the managing authority of the 24 hour race. There are no "unofficial" speed traps so due discretion is encouraged when dealing with "claims from other sources". The Peugeot WM88 reached an official 405 km/h in 1988."1989 Le Mans 24 Hours", Moity, Christian & Teissedre, Jean-Marc, Autotechnica, Marco, Derrick & Prowse Ltd, Colchester, 1989 P. 195 Flanker235 (talk) 04:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aerodynamics and maximum speed on Mulsanne 

message: This is not mentioned in the article. Fotoguzzi (talk) 00:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Then mention it. --Falcadore (talk) 01:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Index of thermal efficiency 

message: I have added the template for lack of references to the article. For an article of it's size and content there needs to be more than 13 references. Most of the material here is unreferenced, and the referenced material tends to be of a trivial nature. I can see from above that this subject was broached last year, but this needs another look. DrMotley (talk) 13:59, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  References & Sourcing...again. 

message: The article mentions "TERS" without a link or explanation. Does anybody know what it is?     — SkyLined (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thermal Energy Recovery System also known as Waste Heat Regeneration. In many ways a standard turbocharged engine could be considered as a TERS unit as it uses the hot high energy gases from the engine to produce power. Bjmullan (talk) 22:19, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Tnx. I've created a few redirects and added a little details to help people find this info.     — SkyLined (talk) 23:49, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  TERS? 

message: For the record, the Targa Florio was never run except as a rally. It was run on a closed course, but not as a circuit race, like Le Mans, with all cars starting at once.  Krevlornswath of the Deathwok Clan I hate L.A.  02:44, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: huh... why are you talking about the Targa Florio on this talkpage? I can't follow you. Saschaporsche (talk) 07:31, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Bexause of someone changing the first sentence of the article using it as justification. --Falcadore (talk) 07:40, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Now I feel old

message: At six paragraphs the introduction before the table of contents is too long. 
It should be more brief and it may hinder readers' interest and understanding of the topic, as it did for me. 
Can some capable people trim and enhance the article please?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CyberdyneT850Model101 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction  

message: Hi, I don't know if this is the right place to mention this problem, but :Commons:Category:24 Hours of Le Mans by year needs some attention. Its subcategories (especially the ones of races in the 20th century) contain many files showing objects that don't match with the (Le Mans race) categories they are categorized in. For example the files are showing Le Mans racecars which are not racing in the specific Le Mans races (maybe racing in another race, for exampe this Ferrari Dino 166P that is racing at 1000 km Nürburgring), but due to the categorization it appears as if they do so. This categorization system is causing following problems:
* To be consequent you would have to add files of racecars to categories of all races in that these cars have ever participated (Why only 24 Hours of Le Mans?). Then the number of categories in that one file is categorized in would dramatically increase.
* Categories of specific races lose their sense if files are included that have no relation to the topic of the category. So you will not know which files really show scenes of the specific race.
In addition you will also find files showing objects that lack any relation to 24 Hours of Le Mans races. For example they are showing cars that look somehow similar to cars that have participated in the specific Le Mans races, but they have obviously never done it themselves (for exampe this Renault 4CV).
In my opinion :Commons:Category:24 Hours of Le Mans by year would be more scientific and make searches for files easier if they contain only files that match with the topics of these categories. Do you see the point and is anybody ready to clean up? --217.227.98.52 (talk) 14:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commons categories needing cleanup 

message: I would like to suggest renaming the section "Since 2006" to "2006-2013". Not right now, but probably upon the conclusion of the 2013 or 2014 race.
With major regulation changes expected for 2014, I feel it may be a good point in time to create a new section, with "Since 2014"
Gojet-64 (talk) 08:13, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Expected? Sounds like speculation to me. Confirm that there will be first. --Falcadore (talk) 11:54, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: They are expected and already somewhat announced.  Plans for rule changes in 2014 have been known since about 2011.  I don't have a source off hand but it's something fairly well known.  Required hybrid systems for factory teams, possible elimination of privateers in LMP1, various other things.  Audi is already developing an entirely new 2014 car and Porsche is entering at the same time as well due to the known rule changes. The359 (Talk) 19:33, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: .--Vulphere 14:39, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename section: "Since 2006" to "2006-2013" 

message: Is it really commonly known as the "Grand Prix of Endurance and Efficiency"?  It may have been called such at certain points, it may be commonly known as this in French or some other language, I don't know, but I don't think that is has been called anything commonly in English but the "24 Hours of Le Mans" for the duration of my memory, which is five decades or so.  166.152.32.247 (talk) 23:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of race 

message: Because this is its original name.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.196.175.233 (talk) 16:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:COMMONNAME. The359 (Talk) 18:10, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be renamed "24 heures du Mans" 

message: I removed the word "unique" from a section heading, because some of the things described in that section are not unique.  I was reverted for no reason by a user who makes a habit of doing that.  More surprisingly, I was then reverted three more times by people who apparently don't understand the meaning of the word unique.  Some of the things in the section are indeed unique to Le Mans; others are not, as their edit summaries even acknowledged, so the word should obviously not be used in the section heading.  Either that, or the things that are not unique to Le Mans must be removed.  Which shall it be?  200.83.101.225 (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: From the section, I can't clearly see what's being claimed to be unique. Perhaps the intended formulation is Traditions and unique rules? I'm going to change to that; if that's not what is intended, the wording of each paragraph needs to make clear whether that thing is "unique", "unusual", "first", or what. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: "Unique"

message: “Roger Dorchy to set a recorded speed of 405 km/h (252 mph) down the Mulsanne in a publicity stunt”
Whether this was publicity stunt or not is not relevant to the content of the page. Dorchy either set a record or he didn't. His motivations for doing it are largely irrelevant.  Flanker235 (talk) 04:56, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think I can agree. Le Mans is about endurance, to completely reject that in order to pursue a populist record unrelated to the object of the race. If a marathon runner paused during a race and made an attempt on the 100m record during the race it would be noted upon by many within the media, as well as surely sabotaging that persons chances to win that marathon. --Falcadore (talk) 05:38, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is obviously an opinion and I don't think the "publicity stunt" is valid, especially when it's not referenced. Even then it would probably still be a matter of opinion. The page is about the race and some of the aspects of it. I was going to suggest deleting it but if someone can come up with a better way of expressing it, which is more neutral, it might be worthwhile. Flanker235 (talk) 14:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Top speed achieved on a straight is frequently a matter of statistical record - a minor one to be sure - but still something that is referred to. What makes it difficult is that like Indianapolis and Bathurst, this is a case where the circuit is the race, and vice versa. Most logically that stat should be on the Circuit du Sarthe article but for the afore-mentioned reason is not out of place here. --Falcadore (talk) 14:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a problem with the top speed being mentioned. Indeed, that's very much a part of Le Mans history. I have a problem with the opinion expressed that it was a publicity stunt, especially when there's no supporting evidence. Flanker235 (talk) 00:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aerodynamics: Neutrality 

message: The current version mixes different varieties of English – for example, “The race is organized” and “specialised racing cars”.  English is not an official or majority language in France.  Accordingly, the MoS, which calls for consistency within an article, directs – Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Retaining the existing variety – that the article should “use the variety found in the first post-stub revision that introduced an identifiable variety.”  The oldest version of the article was not a stub and used “organizers.”  Therefore, it seems to me that the article should be made consistent on AE spelling. JamesMLane t c 10:07, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling consistency 

message: This article still claims that the top class is LMP1, which hasn't been allowed to run (besides non-hybrid "grandfathered" cars) since 2021, and has been replaced by LMH (and LMDh since 2023). The "Cars" section needs to be updated to reflect this. CharlotteGaskell (talk) 17:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Le Mans Hypercar regulations