Talk:List of German Americans

message: please add the list, and answer me
* Richard Widmark*
* Rudy Wiebe (Mennonite, Volga German?, Hutterite?)*
* Theodore Annemann
* Nick Bockwinkel
* Raul Boesel
* Frank Buchman*
* Truman Garcia Capote/Truman Capote (Streckfus)*
* Alden W. Clausen*
* Harold Clurmann*
* Cyrus Hermann Kotzschmar Curtis*
* Joan Diener
* Lawrence Eagleburger <-- correct - he is related to a friend of me (german)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.78.66 (talk) 01:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See also the list at Talk:List of Jews.
=== French people ===
* Henri Büsser
* Haussmann
* Helfter
* François Antoine Habeneck
* Jean Todt
* Metzinger
=== others ===
* Valentine Strasser
--Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 05:58, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the List? German immigrant descendant? 

message: * Valentine Strasser
--Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 05:58, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  others 

message: * Talk:List of famous German Americans
* Talk:List of famous German Americans/Archive 1—Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Appleyard (talk • contribs) 21:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ARCHIVES

message: I was wondering if the jews should be removed from this list since they already have there own list of jewish-americans. There are some other reasons that jews should be removed from the german-american list, like jews are not german they are jews. If this list was filled up with only jewish people who happened to have lived in germany before they came to america no one would think that this is a list of german-americans they would think of it as a list of jewish americans who lived in germany for a time.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.186.76.248 (talk) 16:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Being Jewish does in my opinion mean to belong to a religious group not a nationality. Eventhough due to history jews are often seen as one group of people, much closer than other religions. Many Jewish people were born in Germany, felt German and fought for Germany during WW1. That they later emigrated because of eg nazi suppression, doesn't make them less German. I don't see why they should be removed from this list. No one would remove catholic persons from this list either and I don't see the harm done when someone is listed in both lists, german-americans and jewish americans . 213.67.102.196 (talk) 00:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it is not surprising the Nazi beliefs still live on, such as the belief that Jews born and raised in Germany are somehow not German because only non-Jews can be German.  This is complete nonsense, of course. Hmains (talk) 23:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's the other way round: Instead of only non-Jews can be german the ideology opined mostly is no Jew would claim himself to be German (after the Third Reich tried to annihilate Jewry). Espeacially in Germany itself there is a common fear of offending any Jew by callimg him German. --78.48.103.92 (talk) 17:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text:  A few points: 1. "German" can describe both an ethnic ancestry and a citizenship. If you look at a map of the world showing political divisions, and a map of the world showing ethnic divisions, you'll find plenty of differences. There are Nigerian citizens but there is no such thing as an ethnic Nigerian. There are ethnic Yoruba but there is no such thing as a Yoruba citizen - easy enough. Areas of overlap, nation-states like Germany or Japan, blur the lines for many people, but they really shouldn't. One can have German ancestry without being a German citizen (many Austrians, Swiss, and Americans, for example). One can also be a German citizen without being an ethnic German (for example, an individual born in Berlin to Swedish immigrants, and his or her Swedish-born parents themselves). The confusion comes from assuming that a German citizen of Swedish ancestry is less of a German citizen than a German citizen of German ancestry.
2. "Jewish" describes both a category of religious denominations and a category of ethnicities. Orthodox Judaism and Reform Judaism are religions. Meanwhile, Ashkenazim and Sephardim are ethnicities. One can be Jewish by religion without being Jewish by ethnicity, and someone else can be Jewish by ethnicity without following Jewish religion.
3. Now, for the question at hand - Is an American citizen whose Jewish ancestors came from Germany a "German American"? Well, obviously "German American" isn't describing citizenship since the person in question is a citizen of the United States, not Germany. As an ethnic term, excluding a American of 100% Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry from the category of German Americans isn't objectively offensive in its intention - After all, many German Americans trace their ancestry to a time before Germany existed as a unified country. If one were to exclude Steven Speilberg from a list of "German Americans," that doesn't assume his ancestors were less German citizens than Paris Hilton's German ancestors, since Paris Hilton's German ancestors were never German citizens.
4. Now, here's where things really get complex. The above argument is based on an assumption that ethnic German gentiles never married into the Ashkenazi Jewish communities over the course of nearly 2000 years. This is almost assuredly false - Nearly all African Americans have some European ancestry, and they've coexisted with European Americans for a significantly shorter period of history. In this sense, Albert Einstein is definitely a German American from an ethnic perspective, in the sense that at least a few of his ancestors were ethnic Germans who married some of his ethnic Ashkenazi ancestors and passed their ancestry on to him generations later. --74.103.150.125 (talk) 03:54, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the jews be removed from this list? 

message: Can wikipedians make a list of german-german-americans article that list only people who are german and not jewish people? Adding the jews in the german-americans list makes it to long. 
Also the main reason why the people come to look at these list(list of irish-americans, list of italian-americans,..etc.) is to see the people from there own ethnic group who have contributed to american intellectual society not to see a people who think that they are part of that ethnic group but are actually not. Jewish people are not german they are a middle-eastern people.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.186.76.248 (talk) 17:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither Ashkenazim nor Sephardim nor Cochin Jews are middle-eastern... but Mizrahim are. --78.48.103.92 (talk) 17:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Only a VERY small handful of Jews are of Middle-Eastern descent....119.92.93.84 (talk) 17:12, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for a [[list of german-german-americans]] article and a [[list of german-jewish-americans]] article 

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message: Can I delete all of those people who have a small amount of german ethnicity? I am going to delete all of tha people who are not sourced as being german americans.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.115.243.36 (talk) 23:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can determine that?. Ccrazymann (talk) 08:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  small amount of german ethnicity? 

message: :Also actors like Charisma Carpenter,Anjelina jolie, William Petersen, Lauren Storm or Sean Astin are partly German descent, but they are not included in the original list of German-American notables.´´´´  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.33.156.129 (talk) 21:57, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most German-Americans 

message: This is a list of notable German-Americans who do not appear on the original list. All those people considered by different sources like German-American (ie, people who are direct descents of Germany, having a German father,to a close ancestor German, etc...) excluded from the original list on this list (Most of the people who appear in it correspond to   well- Know actors and actresses). Please, if you have a reliable source to accept or reject these people as German-Americans indicate this:
* Anastacia, singer.
* Janine Lindemulder, adult performer.
* Charisma Carpenter, actress.
* Nick Carter (musician), (Member of the Backstreet Boys).
* Aaron Carter, singer and brother of Nick Carter.
* Roy O. Disney,Walt Disney's brother and co-founder of what is now The Walt Disney. Company
* Roy E. Disney, son of Roy O. Disney and senior executive for The Walt Disney Company.
* Miguel Ferrer, actor.
* Melanie Griffith, actress.
* Teri Hatcher, actress.
* Tippi Hedren, actress. 
* Austin St. John, actor.
* Nia Peeples, actress and singer.
* Lauren Storm, actress.
--Isinbill (talk) 22:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List German-American 

message: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lewis_Kraft  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.222.220.109 (talk) 16:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Lewis Kraft 

message: It was used quite a bit , so I wanted to start a discussion in case there are questions or concerns. See User_talk:XLinkBot/RevertList#EthniCelebs.com. --Ronz (talk) 19:22, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicelebs.com is not a reliable source 

message: Consider e.g. the following three entries from the section about architects
* Dankmar Adler – architect
* Hans Schuler – German-born American sculptor and monument maker; first American sculptor ever to win the Salon Gold Medal
* Horace Trumbauer – architect
and observe the following inconsistency: In the corresponding article, Dankmar Adler is referred to as a German-born American architect, but here he is not. He is listed in the same way as Horace Trumbauer, who was born in the United States. In contrast, Hans Schuler is explicitly referred to as a German-born American. This raises a few questions:
* Should the term German-born be used here at all? Is being German-born relevant? How does it relate to being a German American? (not all German Americans are German-born; is any German-born who emigrated to the US and holds an American citizenship automatically a German American? Answering these questions would also allow us to make progress in the following discussion: talk:Henry Kissinger#German-American)
* What does that even mean? Somebody born in today's Germany, West Germany, or the GDR is certainly German-born. Is somebody from the German Empire? Is somebody from Prussia? Is somebody born to US-American parents, say, at a military base in Germany, German-born?
* Is it even necessary to use such a term when articles already mention the place of birth anyway?
Feedback appreciated. Pipping (talk) 17:28, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the term German-born 

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message: This list article has accrued some cruft over the years. As I recently did at :List of Americans of English descent, I'm going to go through each section and ensure that the target article or cited source support inclusion. I'm also going to remove the irrelevant "estimations" of ancestry ("mostly", "partly", "small amount", and so on). Schazjmd (talk) 15:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commencing clean-up