Talk:Iran/Archive 2

message: Folks,
I put in some stuff I knew or found, on the ice cream and cookie page history section. As expected, some people didnt like what I had to say. (as usual, everything that's good must have been invented by the Americans or Europeans. Everybody else was too stupid I suppose.) If any of you know of any extra sources, especially Farsi ones (and hence unknown to the west), please help out and corroborate.--Zereshk 01:15, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Persia: inventor of [[ice cream]] and [[cookies]]!

message: "Iran is the only state in which the executive branch does not control the armed forces."  Hmm...how different is the Iranian structure than the that of China where the military commitee is theoretically seperate, and was still headed by a former president until very recently?
:I'll clarify that.--Zereshk 00:25, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Military control

message: "The head of state is the president..."  This directly conflicts with the explanation on the Supreme Leader page, which says that he is the head of state and the president is head of government.  Which is it?
:The leader is higher in position. The reason we run into such ambiguities in the text is that different people contribute to the article from different sources. My fault. Thanks for the heads up. I'll clarify that by quoting from the constitution.--Zereshk 00:29, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Head of State?

message: Somebody (198.81.26.15) changed the demographics part. I think the new version is a bit problematic. Azeris are now down to 10% of the population, and the Bahais have been totally deleted as a minority.
Im not into demographics. Somebody please address this inaccuracy.--Zereshk 23:31, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: I removed an anonymous edit which called the jurists on the Council of Guardians "unelected". While this is true, and I appreciate the point that the author was making, the method of appointment is discussed immediately after, so "unelected" is superflous and unneccesarily perjorative. Ddye 19:43, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Council of Guardians

message: Attention, someone just took out the entire section on the Safavis on the Persia page after my last revision.
I dont know how to revert back.
Someone please fix it.--Zereshk 02:15, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkic vandalism

message: Arnaud de Borchgrave wrote:
:Seventy-five percent of Iran's population is younger than 25. It is the world's only country whose youth is pro-American. ''
Interesting addition by Ed Poor, but not for the first paragraph and not really part of the article in the first place. The first part is maybe true and a factum but it would belong under demographics.The second sentence is not based on any reliable investigation and probably wishful thinking... Refdoc 22:58, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, how about I put the first of the two deleted sentences back, in the demographics section? -- Uncle Ed (talk) 15:30, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
I would think ok, if you can find a more reliable source for it - i.e. census data, rather than an editorial comment Refdoc 16:04, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The youth 

message: #If youre gonna give the CIA as a reference, you must use their numbers correctly. 51% is hence correct, not 58%. Otherwise give your source.
#Any claims made on the demographics page must be accompanied by a reference source. Otherwise, the page will become an opinionated page, rather than encyclopedic. Hence the paragraph I took out.
#Reverted to Mani 1's first revision, to fix vandalism by 200.212.36.62 .
#I put Farsi in parentheses next to Persian in the box to settle the ongoing dispute. Arguments for both uses have points. Youre both right.
Keep cool ppl.--Zereshk 20:34, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously, Farsi is an English name for the language, in somewhat common use. It is not "incorrect" or the "local name" for the language. Terminology flamewars are pointless; let's acknowledge that both are used and go on. --Prosfilaes 02:43, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest Rollback info

message: ei baba,...Why did User:Bletch take off the color? The color was put in for easier navigation in the page, and to give it ...color! Why does everything have to be a boring B&W? Are we trying to simulate the eye-stressing pages of a real encyclopedia?--Zereshk 21:49, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Color

message: Pardon my ignorance everyone (which may be the case here), but why is Haft Seen spelled with the wrong "H" (specifically ح ) on this page?
Perhaps Im missing something?--Zereshk 00:36, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "&#1581;&#1601;&#1578; &#1587;&#1610;&#1606;"  ???

message: #I dont think the Nuclear issue should be mentioned on the Iran main page at all. It isnt relevant. Do we see anything about The Kyoto Protocol or even The war in Iraq, on the front page of the United States?
#The Nuclear issue of Iran has its own page, which can be accessed by a link on the main page of Iran.
#Having the nuclear issue mentioned on the main page of Iran is a bad idea, because it will lead to POV wars (as we have been seeing in the last few posts). But if people insist on mentioning it, then I suggest we use the last edition by User:Refdoc.--Zereshk 21:21, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: On The Nuclear issue

message: #I dont think the Nuclear issue should be mentioned on the Iran main page at all. It isnt relevant to the Main page. Do we see anything about The war in Iraq on the Main page of the United States?
#The Nuclear issue of Iran has its own page, which can be accessed by a link on the main page of Iran.
#Having the nuclear issue mentioned on the main page of Iran is a bad idea, because it will lead to POV wars (as we have seen many times before).--Zereshk 18:54, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: On The Nuclear issue

message: Folks, thought I might bring to your attention the article I just wrote last night:
http://www.iranian.com/Kasraie/2005/April/Ahwaz/index.html
Im editing the Khuzestan and Ahvaz pages right now. They should be finished in a few hours.
Thanx.--Zereshk 22:58, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are people there already claiming "Al-Ahwaz" was not Iranian.--Zereshk 20:51, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Al-Ahwaz"

message: The page Afsharid dynasty is in trouble. Can someone please tend to it? eivallah.--Zereshk 22:58, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, I'm on it and I'll have something on with in the next two days! --Aytakin 01:40, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Trouble with Afshari page

message: Folks,
There are some people on the Geber page who have erased "Persia", "Persian", and "Iran" from the entire page, claiming Jaber was only an Arab. They have also been going around deleting Geber from the List of Iranian Scientists page as well.
I can only keep reverting for a while.
Please voice your concern. Thanx.--Zereshk 01:02, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Jaber ibn Hayan was not Iranian??'''

message: The External links to Government sites seem to be overkill. --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu  08:49, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we need to link to each department of Government? 

message: Folks,
Looks like we are having trouble again on the Ahvaz page with some people who are desperately trying to claim Ahvaz is of Arabic origin. A revert war is going on there. I have added as many sources as I could to the article, only to have it POVd by these Pan-Arabs.
The debate is also going on here as well: Khuzestan and Ethnic conflict in Khuzestan.
Agar zahmatee neest, please give your input on the talk pages.--Zereshk 05:04, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Al-Ahwaz" --2

message: Folks,
I just finished expanding and updating Qazvin Province. Please feel free to peruse and make any necessary edits.--Zereshk 20:47, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Qazvin is now updated

message: Looks like we're having trouble with User:Zora again. She has vandalised the article and is engaging in an edit war. I can only hold down the fort for so long, so to speak. It would be appreciated if others share their input and help put an end to this nonsense that this user has constantly been imposing. SouthernComfort 12:25, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ahvaz]]

message: Folks, 
I just finished expanding the pages Guilan and Bushehr. Please feel free to peruse and make necessary edits or additions. We have 18 more provinces left that need to be expanded and written (if interested, go to my page and scroll down to see to-do-list of provinces needing work). Im retiring for the day. Thanx yall.--Zereshk 19:31, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I will be working on Hormozgan in the next few days.--Zereshk 13:52, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just finished Hormozgan.--Zereshk 00:28, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Finished Hamadan Province and Lorestan. Please edit if necessary.--Zereshk 23:16, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just finished Razavi Khorasan, North Khorasan, and South Khorasan. Check for my mistakes.--Zereshk 15:48, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yall, please add to Semnan Province which I have just finished expanding.--Zereshk 23:21, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Provincial update

message: PLEASE HELP ME PUT SOME INFORMATION UP ABOUT THESE PERSIAN AND IRANIAN PEOPLE. WHILE WE ARE HERE ADDING MORE INFORMATION TO THESE SITE WE CAN BE ADDING INFORMATION TO ONE THAT DON'T HAVE ANY TO BEGIN WITH. GO TO THIS SITE ---------->>>> List of Iranians THANK YOU!  Pedram 22:45, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Iranians]]

message: ______IMPORTANT AND A MUST READ______
______Help bring knowledge of Iran and everything to do with Iran to all the people around the world. Instead of ruining these sites by starting debaits, add more links to it. put your information under a seperate link for other people to view that way you can show your point of view as well. There are so many thing that we can talk about and teach to others but we can't because of these argument. For example look at Ahvaz's link, it is ruined everyday by these argument but they just wont give up. If we would have put these behind us we would have written more and pasted on much more knowledge. There are people that think Iran is nothing more than deserts or that Persians are Arabs. We can make that difference. If we write something and other people read it, they will pass it on, they will expand on it.
______PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT IF WE ALL PUT IN A SMALL AMOUNT OF WRITTING IT WILL SOON BECOME MUCH MORE!!
______MUCH THANX AND WITH HOPES OF YOUR SUPPORT______  Pedram-e 23:12, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just thoroughly expanded the List of Iranian scientists by adding 20 or so more biographies which I have been writing over the past week. The list is almost complete.--Zereshk 08:56, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: I just added the biographies of Ruhollah Khaleghi, Abolhasan Saba, and Rahi Mo'ayeri. I must however mention that the same people who tried messing up the Ahvaz and Khuzestan page, are now busy on the Elamite Empire page claiming that The Elamites were not Iranian. My point: you have to make a stand, otherwise those people will revise Iran's history.--Zereshk 08:45, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  !!SUPPORT----THIS IS A PLEA OF HELP TO ALL OF YOU!! 

message: Started article, which is now a stub. I plan on expanding it to cover dishes and culinary styles specific to each province, as well as anything else general in regards to Iranian cuisine (as opposed to specifically Persian cuisine) and the assistance of other editors in this area would be greatly appreciated. SouthernComfort 20:38, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Cuisine of Iran]]

message: This article is also in dire need of attention. It would be much appreciated if those editors who have read, or are willing to take some time to read the many available Persian-language texts on the history of Iranian cinema, could add to this article. SouthernComfort 21:46, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Cinema of Iran]]

message: Material people apparently are uncomfortable with is being purged/deleted without discussion. That's not appropriate. It's especially not appropriate to say it belongs elsewhere, and delete it here without moving it there. 
The section is as follows:
The head of the judiciary is appointed by the Supreme Leader, who in turn appoints the head of the Supreme Court and the chief public prosecutor. 
Public courts deal with civil and criminal cases. There are also revolutionary courts that try certain categories of offenses, including crimes against national security, narcotics smuggling, and acts that undermine the Islamic Republic. Decisions rendered in revolutionary courts are final and cannot be appealed. 
The rulings of the Special Clerical Court, which functions independently of the regular judicial framework and is accountable only to the Supreme Leader, are also final and cannot be appealed. The Special Clerical Court handles crimes allegedly committed by clerics, although it has also taken on cases involving lay people.
Amnesty International (a non-governmental organisation NGO) describes cases in which children were sentenced to the death penalty. Torture is part of the legal system in Iran. On 19 July 2005 two teenagers, identified only as "M.A." and "A.M.", were executed by being lashed 228 times and then hanged in Edalat (Justice) Square in the city of Mashhad. They had confessed, after being imprisoned for 14 months, and under torture, to having had a consensual homosexual relationship. Consensual gay sex in any form is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic of Iran. According to Iranian human rights campaigners, over 4000 lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Ayatollahs seized power in 1979.
Why doesn't this belong? - Outerlimits 23:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Outerlimits, please refrain from accusing me of having made snide comment, or addressing me informally. My user name is El_C. Now, the Islamic government is very oppressive and commits brutalities against many people for various reasons – I fail to see why this, and why these two human lives, should count beyond others; should recieve exposure and prominence and detail within the main country article to that extent. Which is why I suggested that it be integrated into the Judicial system of Iran stab. A suggestion which recieved no comment whatsoever from yourself. I also remind you of the no personal attacks policy, meaning that s/he must further refrain from inflmatory edit summaries such as sorry that you approve of judicial killing of gay children, but your approval doesn't give you the right of censorship . Lastly, I note that if User:Outerlimits feels too strongly about this issue, perhaps a short break is in order so as to better facilitate a composed and collected state of mind. El_C 23:34, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Another obnoxious comment from El C, who didn't "make suggestions" but simply deleted (and after I had commented here on the talk page, though he states otherwise above). If he feels these two judicial murders are featured too prominently here, the answer is to include other examples of judicial murders. There are lots to choose from. As long as we're making suggestions to one another, issues are best dealt with on talk pages, not edit summaries: and you'd be on firmer ground if you'd resist personal attacks suchs as intimating my "state of mind" is other than composed and collected. I'm glad you eventually joined the discussion here.  As I understand it, your contention, then, is that this doesn't belong here because these two deaths are unimportant?  - Outerlimits 23:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

text: When you call my comment obnoxious, that hurts my feelings, please don't charactarize my comments that way; I was trying to be constructive. I did not delete, I reverted your edit, including other changes I disagree with such as having "Iran / Persia" in the lead. Key is to explain and discuss your edits in a calm and dispassionate way (which I challenge you are not living up to here, please reconsider your attitude). Now, I suggest you undertake the task of how to summarize/move the material, and I see no reason to intervene with that process at this time. As for my suggestion regarding "a composed and collected state of mind," that was not a personal attack, nor to be snide, and I'm sorry you feel otherwise. Finally, I don't place greater or lesser important on any given human life, but I'm interested in context and proportionality. El_C 23:57, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you have an issue about "Iran / Persia", the proper response is to edit and/or discuss those two words, not to revert other changes. - Outerlimits 00:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that edit has been inserted multiple times, by a veriaty of IPs, and has never gained consensus. So it is prudent to explain its merit and gain that consensus in the talk page first. Just from my vantage point. El_C 10:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

text: It seems that you can perceive personal attacks and snide comments only when you consider them directed at you. Let me rephrase, with attribution: I perceived your edit summary as snide, and I perceived your comment as noxious. Reverting is deletion, and it's deletion without engagement: it indicates not mere disagreement, but disagreement and contempt: it indicates that a contribution is so worthless it need not even be discussed. Please consider re-reading your comments before making them, and imagining whether or not your own feelings would be hurt if they were made toward you. - Outerlimits 00:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I will re-add a briefer summary in deference to your concern over proportion. - Outerlimits 00:06, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I will comment immediately, because misunderstanding ensue. It wasn't a deletion of an addition in isolation, is what I meant, I'm not going to argue over the semantics though, so fair enough. Also, I did not argue that you, or anyone here, directed a personal attack toward myself – please reread my comments. I'm sorry if I have given you an imperssion to the contrary, but as mentioned above, it was related to the edit summary you directed to Zereshk. Incidentally, I'm not pleased with his edit summary, which read: reverting back all edits about the judiciary. It doesnt belong here. Take your political feelings elsewhere. This is an encyclopedia.  I was going to comment on that to him here, but he has yet to arrive on the scene, so this will have to do. Finally, my edit summary was meant as diffusive humor, I'm sorry if you found it snide. I hope that clarifies my position and predisposition here. El_C 00:24, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It does, and no hard feelings. We (and I mean "we") often forget that typed communications seem harsher than spoken ones, having no human voice to go with them, and that a little smiley face doesn't really cure that. Perhaps it would have been a good idea to comment on Zereshk's summary at the time you noted it; my impression is that that user seems to be establishing, or trying to establish, a sort of "ownership" of this article that does not need to be abetted. - Outerlimits 00:42, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not at all. English isn't my native tongue, and I do sometimes fail to effectively nuance my comments. El_C 01:39, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

text: The two young men (and not "children", every country has its own definition of what "child" is in the eyes of the law) were executed, not because they were homosexual males per se, but primarily because the had RAPED AND SODOMIZED a straight 13-year-old boy and thus, ruined his life FOREVER.  Unlike what the Western homo-lobbyists claim, Iran did not FOR THE FIRST TIME announce the rape charge after the execution.  The case was indeed publicized before.  Another very important, and I would say entertaining, point is that the Western Iran-bashing sources talk about "teenagers".  Can you just think about it for a moment to see the sheer stupidity of it?  The word "teenager" has to do with the fact that in ENGLISH LANGUAGE the numbers thirteen through nineteen end with teen.  Can you think of a more stupid way to categorize human beings, much less, extending it to another culture whose language is not even English?  At any rate, Iran has its own clearly defined legal system and by the law of the land, these two criminals should have been executed.  USA also has Capital Punishment.  If USA categorizes its citizens on the basis of the suffix of their age in the English language, that's their prerogative, although it is stupid and funny beyond words can describe. Unsigned by 69.233.169.3 El_C 07:54, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 13 is not an adult, so they were not men. The United States does not execute people for rape, neither to my knowledge does Iran (of women). Please avoid moralistic pronouncements and stick to the facts. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. El_C 07:54, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Your "knowledge" is good for Zionist-owned, Iran-bashing, Western media.  Iran executes rapists, whether their victims are male or female.  In cases where public sentiment has been hurt, the executions are in public.  I myself have had the utter pleasure of watching two cases.  One was three years ago where a gang of 4 was hanged in northern Tehran.  They were a gang of rapists (all in their late teens) who had raped numerous (at least 20) young girls between the ages of 8 to 12.  They had caused quite a terror for a long time until they were finally captured.  In fact, I wished I could be the one who flags them almost to death before putting the rope around their necks and sending them directly into hell by kicking their arse after the noose was fit around their necks. It is nobody's business how Iran deals with its criminals as it is nobody's business to tell USA how they should deal with their criminals.  Every country has its own law of the land.  69.233.169.39 08:47, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm unintersted in this anectodal rant; if you have pertinent sources — cite them; otherwise, again, adhere to WP:NOT. El_C 08:55, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes, and one might also cite Iranian law to justify the killing of a rape victim on the grounds that she has been unchaste, if she's at least ten years old. About a dozen minors were executed in Iran last year. Law <> justice. Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi has condemned the hanging of Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni on charges of involvement in homosexual acts as a violation of Iran's obligations under the International Convention on the Rights of the Child, which bans such executions. . - Outerlimits 05:20, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no provision for executing women on the ground of being "unchaste". And if an incident has taken place in the Islamic Republic, one has to cite the applicable laws to understand the judicial reasoning behind it.  – Kaveh (talk) 00:27, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Tell it to Leyla Mafi, sentenced to death for "acts contrary to chastity". Her stoning, temporarily delayed while it was determined whether or not she's mentally retarded, was rescinded last Monday.  Tell it to Atefeh Rajabi, hanged on 15 August 2004 for "engaging in acts incompatible with chastity". - Outerlimits 20:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In both cases the charges leading to the death penalty have been adultery with married men, not simply being unchaste. Sexual relations outside marriage carry lashes, unless performed with married persons. I think it would help if those concerned with the situation in Iran actually learn the facts and avoid making baseless grand statement.  – Kaveh (talk) 17:11, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would help if those concerned with the situation in Iran would recognize the severity with which it deals with sexual "crimes", and especially with women involved in them, disgusts and horrifies the world, rather than defend a system in which one can be stoned to death for having sex because the punishment for "simple" unchastity is "merely" lashing.  - Outerlimits 01:21, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  periodic "cleansing" of article 

message: Could you, if you will, please have a look into the following dispute on the Zoroastrian talk page.
Talk:Zoroastrianism#Persian_vs._Iranian
Thanks in advance. Str1977 10:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian vs. Iranian 

message: Just wanted to let you guys know that User:SouthernComfort was one of our best editors in Iranian related pages.
He lived in Louisiana.
He hasnt logged in for some time now. I have no idea of his whereabouts.--Zereshk 04:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:SouthernComfort]]

message: While Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? was a great book and all, I do not think that a reference to one of its supporting characters should be the first thing that readers of this article see—just as someone looking for Leonardo shouldn't be greeted by mention of the Ninja Turtle. Create Iran (disambiguation) if you must, but write Iran Deckard first. —Charles P. (Mirv) 05:28, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ridiculous disambiguation 

message: The claim that "This attempt to rebalance trading relationships in the world economy may trigger a series of far reaching consequences, including the potential for a resource war with the United States of America over the flow of both dollars and oil." is in need of moderation.  Time is running out for the supposed attack to stop the oil bourse and there is little evidence that the American government will somehow make a decision to attack Iran for petroeuro reasons.  The poll numbers over public support for the U.S. position in Iraq keep getting further and further against continuing intervention.
It is rather strange that such a pov and unlikely scenario is proferred on this page.  If the claim stays in its present form it should be moved to a section about peak oil production theories since that is were this idea seems to have originated.  On the Iranian nuclear program page it does not say that "Iran's nuclear program will have dramatic geopolitical consequence; it may lead to immeditate use of nuclear wars against Iran's adversaires or some type of terrorist organization recieving nuclear aid."  There are good reasons why that article doesn't make such a claim yet on this article such accusations made against other countries despite the fact that an effort to stop Iran's oil bourse would be nearly impossible and would lead to the shutdown of the Strait of Hormuz.  That would stop cold any economic rationale for such a scenario.  If Iraq is rent apart by complications resulting from disagreements over its constitution how will the United States gain the wherewithal to conduct such an epic undertaking?  Although the  United States may despise Iranian policy and the changes in the petroleum trade that is occuring it is not simply not possible or plausible that it will muster together the resources for an extremely self damaging conflict.  It would make much more sense for the article to claim that the U.S. would attack for reasons relating to the nuclear power plants although that too is speculative and not as probable as some seem to hope.       
By March 20th 2006 this sentence will have to be scrapped if no such war has taken place.  My recommendation is to either delete the part after the word "consequences", acknowledge that it is a claim made by certain, specific groups, or mitigate the phrasing. Tidal Air 02:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with sentence relating to the Oil Bourse 

message: Persian hat is a stub; in trying to fix it I was wondering if the tall hats word by the individuals in the image at Qajar were such hats? Thanks --Dpr 18:30, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Persian hat

message: Attention all Iran related photo uploaders:
We all know that Wikipedia judges qualification to displaying images based on US copyright law. And the US does not recognize, hold up, honor, or have any copyright relations with Iran, as stipulated here.
However, there are administrators out there (including Iranian ones) that WILL erase the photos that you upload, no matter how nice, important, and safe they seem for uploading, if they dont have the proper tagging.
If you didnt take the photo yourself, and if the photo's source is from Iran, and if you decide to use the Fairuse tag, please use the following tags to ensure that your photo doesnt get erased:
{ { fairusein| the page you are using the image in } }
{ { OCILLA } }
That should keep your images safe.--Zereshk 07:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Save your images from deletion with proper tagging

message: Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Jawami ul-Hikayat
, which was recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
	Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Gonbad-e Qabus, which was recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
cool.--Zereshk 04:24, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: We're on the main page