Talk:Taipan

message: I also think this page should be parted into 2 different pages; one for taipan in general and the second for the coastal taipan alone containing more information only about this particular snake. User:TT100 19:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Mike, If you would like to upload an image, you have to sign up first. It is very easy and, of course, free. We would really appreciate your image. Thanks --liquidGhoul 14:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: It is NOT specialised to feed on rodents - not unless they got specialised in 200 years, which is about as long as rodents have been in Australia since Europeans introduced them. What did they eat before that?
They are rodent feeders, especially the inland taipan. Australia has an awful lot of native rodents. Australia's not just about marsupials. We have about 196 placental mammals, including native rodents, bats and marine mammals.
Smacdonald 04:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diet 

message: I have just read some incorrect information posted as truth. 
"Parademansia microlepidota" is old taxonomy. It has since been classified as been a Taipan (Oxyuranus). It occurs in North Eastern SA, North Western NSW and South Western QLD. It is not believed to occur in NT. There are very old, possibly incorrect records of them occuring near the junction of the Murray/Darling river.
Whilst Coastal Taipans are not "docile", they are not an agressive species. No snake is. Coastal Taipans are highly intelligent animals and when provoked, can move with lighting speed and amazing accuracy. They are by far the most dangerous species for a snake handler to work with. In the bush, they will normally be gone without a trace if there is any disturabance.
Abhi Beckert, I suggest you learn more about herpetology before posting. There are no Inland Taipans west of Cairns. 
The reason the young Inland Taipan was striking was because it was feeling vulnerable. You would, too, if you were locked in an enclosure. Small pythons will do the same thing. The liquid on the glass would have been saliva. The amount of venom a juvenile Inland Taipan produces (less than 1mg) wouldn't be noticeable.
Taipans are specialised mammal feeders, mainly rodents. Before white man settled, they would prey solely on native animals, now they have a wider selection.
:This was the only page which Abhi Becket posted, I doubt he/she is still contributing to Wikipedia. If you find any wrong information in the articles (not the talk pages), please change them to the correct info. Thankyou for setting everything straight. --liquidGhoul 08:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you think this would be tested? We can't exactly go around killing humans. What makes you think that mice react the same way as humans do to snake venom? The LD50 is calculated using mice, and this page should certainly make reference to that fact, and suggest that readers interpret the results with caution when extrapolating to humans. Inland taipans are certainly adapted to eat rodents, so there's every reason to think (but admittedly no proof) that their venom is especially effective against rodents. I've put the statement back in and provided a reference for the possibility of a murine bias in inland taipan LD50 results, and a reference for a species of snake that exhibits a taxa-specific increase in venom toxicity. Let me know what you think. Smacdonald (talk) 09:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would assume that toxicity tests could be carried out on primates (or some other animal) which would reveal whether there is a murine bias, and perhaps the extent (the LD50 test does not require mice, although I grant that this is almost invariably the case). Mostly I was just trying to get a reference for this information. In response to your question; I'm not trying to claim that you can extrapolate from mice to men. I did, however, think that it was a stretch to claim that because a snakes diet primarily consists of rodents that its venom was specifically targeted to such. In essence, my complaint is that we should not be adding information about potential murine bias unless there is direct citable evidence to suggest such (not that I don't believe that this is probably the case). I cannot easily check your references. If it refers to the Taipan's venom being particularly deadly to rodents (or a general tendency of the venom of snakes that target rodents to be particularly deadly to rodents), the murine bias comment should stay. If this is not the case, then the comment should really be removed until a source can be found that does indicate that the venom of the Taipan is particularly deadly to mice. Assuming that we leave the article as is, there is another problem.  These two lines overlap: "The LD50 figures cannot be directly compared with toxicity in humans, however, as there is considerable variation in results from species to species and a host of environmental variables can further impact the results[4]." and "Calculated LD50 values might not be applicable to non-mammalian species, and may even be inaccurate for mammals other than mice and other rodents."  One of these two lines should go. Puff Of Hot Air (talk) 14:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Just to add, primarily what I am trying to do here is to ensure that we do not violate the Wikipedia rule No original research.Puff Of Hot Air (talk) 14:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Primate testing with death as an end point is virtually impossible to do nowadays as far as I'm aware (in Australia, at least). I'll summarise the two references for you and you can let me know what you think. Mackessy et al (2006) said that brown tree snakes switch from eating lizards to birds as they get older. This change in diet is accompanied by a change in the toxicity of their venom, with young snakes having venom that is more toxic to lizards than adult snakes. The researchers also found that the snake's venom was not very effective against mice (i.e., you'd need a greater quantity of venom to kill a mouse than to kill a gecko or bird). Wilson (2004) simply states that there may be a murine bias in the venom of the inland taipan. It's a widely held thought, but there's no direct evidence from research done on this snake species. If Wikipedia has a rule that says an article can't contain realistic ideas that aren't confirmed, then we should get rid of it. It's certainly not breaking the 'no original research' concept because it hasn't been researched. Smacdonald (talk) 23:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I found the information related to this issue, and have added a reference.  I have removed the comments on murine bias, as I can find no reference to this in relation to the taipan, or snake venom in general. If a reference can be found, please feel free to put it back! Puff Of Hot Air (talk) 08:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some fallacies in this discussion 

message: From the original reference, the LD50 of the Coastal Taipan is NOT THE most toxic in the world even to mice. LD50 for Coastal Taipan given as .013 mg/kg but Pseudonaja textilis given as .01 making it quite a bit more toxic. The reference to the new species (Ox. temporalis) also contains the toxicity of the longer known species. Closeup pictures on the way in a few days.
It was Thomas, Séan; Griessel, Eugene. "LD50 Scores for Various Snakes." December 1999. but even this supports the fact that inland, common brown (Pseudonaja textilis) then coastal is the correct order for LD50 in mice.
Euc (talk) 00:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to toxicity scale 

message: Can somebody knowledgeable here look at Red Tanami Taipan, listed as Oxyuranus carotherensis? It's an article with no references, created by a new editor, and this page doesn't mention the species. Does anyone know anything about it? Rigadoun  (talk) 06:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a taxobox and a fact tag to the first paragraph where a few things were mentioned which could use citation.  Also added an expert request to the head of the article. Bob the Wikipedian (talk • contribs)  01:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Tanami Taipan 

message: This article actually says very little about the snake other than the effects of its venom on humans who are bitten by it.  I wonder if any herpetologists might fill in some informatio describing the animal in and of itself?  Its evolution, life cycle, reproduction, diet, preferred habitats, etc.  As it is now its more a lurid web page and less an encyclopedia article.  Larry Dunn (talk) 21:49, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement? 

message: This media report refers to the identification of a  Western desert Taipan only the fifth collection of the species very little detail size 1m+ location of collection Great Victoria Desert in WA. Gnangarra 08:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Desert Taipan 

message: "Oxyuranus microlepidotus T" - What does the T mean? 68.156.95.34 (talk) 08:43, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Taxonomy" 

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message: Can a taipan kill a 100 people in 10 seconds? 102.220.210.61 (talk) 14:21, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:NOTFORUM. AviationFreak💬 22:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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