Talk:List of American and Canadian cities by number of major professional sports franchises/Archive 1

message: If this page is only about North American cities, it should be "List of North American cities by number of pro-sports franchises". Otherwise, it should be expanded to include cities all over the world. Shane King 04:57, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
:Agree with move --and what's up with listing two lacrosse leagues but only one men's ice hockey league, only two football leagues, etc. Some kind of pro-lacrosse bias here. Rmhermen 17:23, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
I had removed the MLL but someone put it back.
Maybe include it in the table but not the list at the top.  And don't make it bold since its not the 'top level', the NLL is. J3wishVulcan
:The MLL pays more. 22:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest  this page be moved 

message: The Arena Football League should have its teams added to this page.  It is a bigger sport than either of the lacrosse leagues for sure.  Also, a note by cities that host NASCAR races, PGA events, or Tennis tournaments would be a good addition.  zellin 00:37, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
:I agree, the AFL is definitely big enough to warrant mention, especially if the lacrosse leagues and MLS are listed --SodiumBenzoate 22:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another league should be added 

message: With the recent metro area changes by the US Census bureau, perhaps it would be best to use the World Gazateer info. That would also help the problem with the fact that a metro area in the US covers a far larger area than a Canadian metro area does based on different definitions. Also, the censi were taken on different dates... -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh yeah- the Isles, Rangers and Devils. -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:21, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Metro area changes

message: The United States Hockey League is an amatuer junior league and any of its teams should be removed from this list of *Professional* franchises. I see Chicago Steel, Indiana Ice, and Green Bay Gamblers. On a related note, The Florida Seals (Orlando metro) and Jacksonville Barracudas (article needs updating) of the Southern Professional Hockey League are not listed. ccwaters 12:38, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means, make any corrections that are necessary Acsenray 17:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: USHL and SPHL

message: Are those three basketball leagues professional?  If so, perhaps their teams could be included in the "Names of Pro Sports Teams" section of the article ...Amchow78 00:06, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ABA, CBA, & USBL

message: How about taking out soccer and lacrosse? Just because they call themselves major, it doesn't mean they are. Golfcam 15:22, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The table is definitely on the verge of getting out of hand and will only get worse.  An argument can be made that listing every sport at every level is too much. Uvaduck 21:12, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The MLS and NLL are important enough to warrant inclusion on this list.  For example, the Toronto Rock regular attracts 15,000 to its games and has regularly televised games. If it's beginning to look messy, emphasizes the details in the table instead. --Madchester 18:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Toronto Rock may attract 15,000, but what about Major League Baseball teams like the Florida Marlins who attract only fans from the visiting team.  And NHL attendance is way down ever since the lockout.  Attendance should not be used to determine a major sport.  Perhaps a better way of determining it would be has anyone not on the East Coast ever heard of Lacrosse being anything other than an unpopular high school sport. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.21.195.101 (talk) 05:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Attendance from individual teams can be misleading.  This list needs to be maintained by considering average and total attendances from across the league.  Both the MLS and NLL have high enough attendances to warrant inclusion on this list, however the MLL and possibly WNBA don't attract enough attention to be really classified as "major". --Torlek 02:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many sports

message: San Francisco really includes the entire San Francisco Bay Area, and if it did it would be 5th on the metropolatin area size table. If no one objects I will change it. --Yarnalgo 03:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one responded so I did it. --Yarnalgo 03:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Francisco 

message: The MLL shouldn't be included as the top level of lacrosse.  Only 36 games are played, between all of the teams and attendance is only around 3,000 for those games.  Keep it on the table but there's no way in hell it should be in bold or on the list at the top of the page. --J3wishVulcan 16:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The MLL 

message: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.  Is there anyone out there who really wants to know how many teams a city has in every conceivable pro sports league, including Major League Lacrosse, the Canadian Football League, and the Women's National Basketball Association?  This page has no practical use.  People are using this for "metro boosterism", inflating their city's figure by including marginal leagues the general public by and large does not care about.
The table below is even worse.  Listing minor league franchises?  I see people are taking to listing every franchise in a given metro area.  Under New York, someone's added the Cyclones and the SI Yanks, but that woefully falls short.  Does anyone know how many minor league baseball teams there are in and around New York?  Twelve!  See list of New York metropolitan area sports teams.  Are you suggesting we include them all in the table?  They're all in the Metro area, as defined by the census.  I'm not going to add them myself because fighting clutter with clutter is a losing battle.
I say we restrict our discussion--both in the list and the table--to the major profressional sports leagues: MLB, the NBA, the NFL, and the NHL.  Everything else is clutter and debilitates any efficacy this page could hope to have.  Let's hear some opinions on this.  StarryEyes 23:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the CFL players have other jobs, but the vas majority don't.  Even the ones who do are only part-time.--J3wishVulcan 19:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This list is so muddled, it's absolutely ridiculous 

message: I put area next to Dallas because the Rangers play in Arlington and Cowboys in Irving. I put area next to Miami because Dolphins and Marlins are in Miami Gardens and Panthers are in Sunrise yet that get removed but Phoenix area stays  probably because Coyotes and Cardinals play in Glendale . What is the difference between Phx and Dallas/Miami Smith03 20:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Am I missing something?

message: Isn't Mexico City in North America? They have 3 teams in Primera División de México which is a bigger professional league than several covered in this article, not to mention a professional baseball team as well. There's nothing logical about including Winnipeg and Ottawa, but excluding Mexico City and Guadalajara. --dm (talk) 05:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a difference.  Ottawa and Winnipeg are developped cities in a developped country with major sports teams.  The pro sports in Mexico are a mess.  The players are payed minimal salaries and play in stadiums that are outdated and falling apart.--J3wishVulcan 19:50, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that Frank Clair Stadium at Lansdowne Park (capactiy ~30,000), built in 1908, is state of the art while Estadio Azteca (capacity >110,000), built in 1966 and renovated in 1986, which hosted a World Cup final is "outdated and falling apart"? Are you saying that the payroll of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers is greater than that of Chivas de Guadalajara? If so, then you don't know what you're talking about. If the WNBA, CFL, & NLL are major leagues then so is the Primera División de México. The title of the article isn't List of developed North American cities by number of pro-sports franchises so the economy shouldn't be a factor. --dm (talk) 03:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I see your point.  But unfortunately, for reasons unknown, when there is talk about 'North American' sports, it is usually the US and Canada.  I think this might have something to do with many US leagues also having teams in Canada and not Mexico.  It might also have to do with many considering Mexico a part of Central America, not North.  If Mexico were to be added then arguments could be made for Central America and the whole Carribbean to be added as well.  Tough one.--J3wishVulcan 17:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's that tough. You have two options: (1) Rename the article "List of American cities by number of pro-sports franchises" and eliminate the Canadian cities or (2) Include cities in Mexico, Central America, & the Caribbean that have professional sports teams. I don't have a preference but option #1 would probably be unpopular. For option #2 to work, someone has to define "pro-sports franchise" in an objective way, something that this article needs to do anyway. The current definition should exclude both lacrosse leagues (most of those players have day jobs) and possibly MLS and Arena Football as well. Mexican soccer (and possibly baseball) on the other hand generally pays better than all of those. dm (talk) 06:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to rename it to "List of American cities by number of pro-sports franchises" then you definitly have to add Mexico, along with all of Central America and South America.  Thats right, all of those countries are in the Americas.  What you want is "List of United States cities by number of pro-sports franchises". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.21.195.101 (talk) 05:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If you want to add Central America, be my guest.  I don't think you need to remove leagues, just don't include them in the list of "top notch" leagues at the top, and don't bold them in the table.  I don't think MLS needs to be unbolded, but definately Arena Football and the MLL for sure.--J3wishVulcan 22:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: dm is correct that ignoring FMF first division clubs is an oversight and I have corrected it.  However would any other leagues in Mexico really qualify as "major"? --Torlek 06:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: North America?

message: Why are the Hamilton teams listed under Toronto?  According to the Greater Toronto Area article, Hamilton is not part of the GTA.
--FrankCostanza 13:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think Hamilton has an identity of its own, just like Rochester and Buffalo. ccwaters 14:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Not exactly. Hamilton & Toronto are about 50 miles apart. Oakland & San Francisco are only separated by a ½ mile of water. A better comparison is Washington, DC & Baltimore (same metro area in this article) which are about 40 miles apart, still closer than Hamilton & Toronto. --dm (talk) 03:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Not significantly.  And there is no demographic speration between the 2 cities, if you know what I mean.  The area between Toronto and Hamilton is very densely populated, and hence there is no real seperation.  That is what the US definition is founded upon: 'population', not physical area.--J3wishVulcan 17:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hamilton

message: Officially they are one consolidated metropolitan area according to the Census Bureau, However they have different Designated Market Area. The DMA ultimately determines which sports teams are being followed or watched by the people in a particulat place. Any comments?
:I agree.  The cities are in seperate states and most of the professional leagues consider them to be seperate markets, as there are 2 teams in most leagues. E.g. Redskins and Ravens, Nationals and Orioles.--J3wishVulcan 16:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a strong opinion as to whether the two cities should be separated but I will note that both MLB and the NFL consider them a single market, at least in some respects. Orioles owner Peter Angelos won major concessions for allowing the Nationals into his "territory". And Baltimore is within the Washington Redskins' NFL broadcast blackout territory (and vice versa). Both football teams regularly sell out their home games so this is largely a formality. --dm (talk) 05:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think we should seperate Washington D.C. to Baltimore 

message: In the upper half it says that Boston has 6 professional sports teams (1 each of NHL, MLB, NFL, NBA, MLS, and MLL). Yet in the lower list it says Boston has 5 major league clubs, but then lists 6 bolded (aka major league) teams in the various columns. In the upper half Detroit is listed with 5 pro teams. But in the lower half there are 6 bolded teams, though the number in this table is still 5. One of those Detroit teams, the Detroit Ignition, is in the MISL. Other MISL teams such as the Chicago Storm and Baltimore Blast are not bolded. On top, Philly is listed as having 7 pro teams, and on bottom it is listed as 6, even though all 7 teams appear in bold.
These are only a few examples that I saw right away, I'm sure there are others. I don't know what teams should or should not qualify for these lists, but whatever the definition it needs to be consistent at least within the same page. There also needs to be more consistent usage of "major league team" and "professional team". These terms seem to be used interchangeably in this article. AAA baseball teams are professional teams, but are not in a major league.
:I have performed a cleanup on this.  I hope I got everything but it is somewhat late here. --Torlek 06:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agreement between upper list and lower table 

message: The additon of Minor League Baseball Teams to the bottom list needs some serious cleaning.  Chicago has only the Kane County Cougars (who play just outside of the suburbs) listed, it doesn't include the Shaumburg Flyers who actually play in the suburbs.  Its also missing 5 other teams in the Chicagoland area.  I would argue rather than going crazy and adding every Minor League team (and a few 100 more cities), there should be no more Minor League teams on the lists.
:I have removed minor teams from the list due to the obvious fact that there are too many to combine into this list.  If anyone wants a list thereof, I'd suggest a seperate page for the minors. --Torlek 06:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor League teams on bottom list 

message: How can the article be accuse of limited scope when it's not supposed to deal with any where besides Canada and the US?  Take a look at Major North American professional sports leagues as see that the concept of major league sports is what is being measured, and that only applies to the US and Canada (not Mexico).  Kevlar67 01:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By almost any objective measure, the Primera División de México is a major league. The second section of the article explicitly excludes Mexican cities for no apparent reason. That's why the article is of limited scope. If the article was limited to the big 4 leagues, I'd agree with you. But to include MLS, NLL, AFL, & CFL, but not Mexican soccer makes no sense.  --dm (talk) 12:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limited Scope? 

message: I've done a complete rewrite of this article, including only the Big 4 and providing justification both for the inclusion of NHL and exclusion of CFL, MLS and lacrosse leagues, at User:VT hawkeye/List of North American cities by number of pro-sports franchises.
I'd appreciate comment here from other interested editors on whether this would be an acceptable replacement -- trying to avoid a WP:BRD cycle here.  In conjunction with the replacement, I'd want to move this article to a more accurate title, substituting "U.S. and Canadian" for "North American"; as I mentioned above, the terms are equivalent in a Canadian context, but not internationally, and the inclusion of Mexico makes the article a collection of incoherent data since none of the Big 4/5 have teams in Mexico, nor does the FMF have any clubs in the USA or Canada. VT hawkeyetalk to me 18:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, for lack of any comment, I've gone ahead with the replace-and-move.  Edit away, folks. VT hawkeyetalk to me 03:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw it too late, but I agree totally.  If someone wants to add an article for Canadian cities by number of sports teams and include the CFL, fine, I'd help.  If someone want to create a list of Mexican cities by the number of futbol team, fine that's great too.  Kevlar67 04:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite in my userspace: request for comment. 

message: Let me know. --necronudist 08:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the concept.  I'd leave off the lacrosse leagues, though; players in the NLL and MLL aren't full-time athletes, as most if not all have other jobs in the off-season.  I'd make a couple of minor style changes, too: provide some distinction between NFL and CFL teams (either italicize CFL teams or move them to a separate column), and use common broadcast scorebox abbreviations even if they're only unique within leagues rather than trying to create abbreviations that hint at the nicknames. (i.e. retain the CHC/CWS differentiation in baseball, but it's OK for the rest of Chicago's teams to be listed as CHI).  Working on my variant at User:VT hawkeye/NN's team table with italicized CFL teams; thoughts? VT hawkeyetalk to me 21:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Good! For me it's ok! --necronudist 08:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, new table is subbed in. VT hawkeyetalk to me 21:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What about [[User:Necronudist/Sandbox5|this]]?

message: Teams are listed by base cities, not by city names, so Miami should be named as South Florida metropolitan area like in the original version 'cause actually Florida Panthers are based on Ft.Lauderdale. And there are plenty of similar cases (I've just corrected San Francisco who comprised Oakland and San Jose that are different cities of the same Area, the Bay Area), so I think the list should be revisited. --necronudist 14:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metropolitan areas 

message: It has been brought up before. Both have different Markets, why are they being combined here? Are they the only places with different markets that is merged here? Any suggestions?71.107.252.14 (talk) 05:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should We Seperate Baltimore to Washington? 

message: It would be LOT less confusing because Media Market uses ONE definition while the METROPOLITAN RANKING uses different definitions (MSA, CSA, etc) and they are all mixed in one list. Plus, Media Market is what the Sports Franchises really follows in terms of Marketing etc.71.104.94.68 (talk) 06:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  SUGGESTION: REPLACE THE METRO RANKING TO MEDIA MARKET RANKING 

message: For instance the rank for Baltimore/Washington, DC only takes into account the Washington metro, the entire area is actually fourth not eighth.  Similarly the SF Bay ranking excludes San Jose's metro which would push it to sixth in rank.  You need to use Table_of_United_States_Combined_Statistical_Areas when applicable and United_States_metropolitan_areas when the ranking represents a single metro area.Timpcrk87 (talk) 20:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would propose using either the media market rankings or the primary census statistical areas (which includes CSAs, as well as MSAs not a part of CSAs).  -- χγʒ͡ʒγʋᾳ (talk) 22:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Population rankings are incorrect

message: I've combined statistics from the top US metropolitan centres and the top Canadian metropolitan centres for the ranking, so there's not one specific Wiki page to reference those numbers (unless I've missed it).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.236.93.210 (talk) 19:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be interesting to see the full population list (I noticed it was Las Vegas between Columbus and Milwakee) even though they have 0 teams in the Big 6.  It might be easier to see expansion possibilities.  Being a soccer fan I'd like to see the USL-1 markets only because some of them will move to the MLS (ie Seattle and talks about Vancouver and Montreal) Coppercanuck (talk) 01:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop'n ranking

message: What about the Professional Woman's Basketball team cities? 68.110.255.121 (talk) 21:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WNBA 

message: The Seattle NBA team has been removed from the list (decided by the city and owners July 3, 2008) but Oklahoma City hasn't been added.
:I've added it. Brady4mvp (Talk to me) 19:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NBA

message: Major League Soccer teams are not included in the list for multiple reasons as described in the article, chiefly that it is simply not commonly accepted as on the same level as the leagues for baseball, football, basketball and hockey in the USA or Canada: hence the term Big Four and not Big Five.  
Of the criteria listed in Major North American professional sports leagues, MLS cannot meet dominance of its respective sport, ownership restrictions, or high salaries, and has a problematic stand on franchise stability as well (in 12 seasons, two folded franchises in Florida and three name changes not even counting KC Wiz(ards)).  If you can build a factual case for MLS's equal standing to the NHL to counter these problems, without restricting your comparison to just popularity in MLS cities in the U.S. Sun Belt, then make it here and get consensus before you go unilaterally adding.  Tolerating that sort of thing is what made this article's predecessor such a bloody mess, and it's time that stop. VT hawkeyetalk to me 21:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  MLS is included in the article Major North American professional sports teams.  Wjmummert (KA-BOOOOM!!!!) 03:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: MLS

message: I am proposing to merge U.S. cities with teams from four major sports into this article since they cover essentially the same topic. Comments? - Mitico (talk) 19:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose This article is just a list, while the other contains a good deal of analysis and discussion, making it far more substansial than just a list. oknazevad (talk) 20:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Come now, the AFL is much bigger than the NHL or the LX League. Look at the TV contracts, look at the ratings, look at the video games for Pity's sake!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.103 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 2 July 2007
:Look at the attendance, look at the salaries, look at the revenues, look at the franchise stability, look at the standing at the top level of the sport.  Because ESPN bought a share of the Arena Football League and has suddenly started promoting it as a major league sporting event does not make it so. VT hawkeyetalk to me 01:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, imagine if we'd followed this IP user's advice back in 2007.  Still think the defunct AFL is bigger than the NHL?  Powers T 18:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wheres the AFL??? 

message: Options Canada, Western United States, Midwestern United States, Northeastern United States and Southern United States, as census definition.--Feroang (talk) 05:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Region columne in table 

message: table started by --Feroang (talk) 02:41, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  List countries by number of American and Canadian major professional sports franchises 

message: I believe that CFL only cities should at least get a mention in the introduction, as many in Canada regard the CFL as a pro league and the only pure Canadian pro league left. I have left the derogatory sentence about CFL players being a notch below the NFL debite my belief that that is false (many former NFL players still in their prime try out of the CFL and don't make it or they play poorly, such as Ricky Williams), but pairing the CFL up with the NFLE development league is just flat out wrong, and so I removed it.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.237.54.62 (talk • contribs).
:Sorry, being "the only pure Canadian pro league left" doesn't put them on equal footing with the NFL.  I'd say they're probably marginally better than NFLE in terms of quality of play, but that's pure POV assertion on my part, and to state that they're on an equal footing in terms of being one step away from the NFL is just fact, not derogatory: for 90% of the skill players, it's a stepping-stone league.  (To use a smoked-out Ricky Williams to claim that an NFL player in his prime couldn't make a CFL team is just foolish.)  Now, does NFLE have the status in its home territory that the CFL does (attendance, history, player continuity, media coverage, merchandise, general public recognition)?  No way, and that's where the CFL does have a better claim.  You can make a good career as a CFLer, but that just doesn't happen in NFLE. VT hawkeyetalk to me 01:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the NFL is not definitionally American, and because it is the dominant league for gridiron football not just in North America, but the world.  The CFL has some characteristics of a major league within Canada only, but fails in others.  The NFL has all those characteristics, period.  The only thing U.S.-limited about the NFL is the geographic distribution of teams. VT hawkeyetalk to me 21:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just as the NFL is the dominant league for American Football, the CFL is the dominant league for Canadian football, not just in Noth America, but the world.  They are different sports, played by different rules. 69.181.237.64 (talk) 02:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: CFL only cities

message: metro cities in the US have a lot more area than they do in Canada.
the greater horseshoe area around Toronto has around the same area as metro Chicago and has 8-9 million people.
metro Denver is about 22 thousand squared km's in area
metro Chicago is about 30 thousand squared km's in area
metro Seattle is about 21 thousand squared km's in area
metro Houston is about 26 thousand squared km's in area
cities in Canada
metro Toronto is about 7 thousand squared km's in area
metro Montreal is about 4 thousand squared km's in area
metro Vancouver is about 3 thousand squared km's in area
in these metro areas 
Chicago has 9.5-9.8 million people 
Toronto has about 6 million people
Vancouver has about 3 million people
Montreal has 3.6-4 million people
Seattle has over 4 million people
but Toronto has about 12 million people living within a couple hundred miles of the city. So it could cover a bigger area like Chicago and have the same number of people
almost all of British Columbia's 4-5 million people living around Vancouver so Vancouver could make its area the size as Seattle and have the same population.
Montreal could have the same population as Sydney, Australia if it had the same area size.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.250.83 (talk) 07:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: population of Canadian cities

message: The number of mistakes in the populations here are unexplainable. It makes no sense.
For one, it states that they go by their MSA, but many of the cities in the table are using their CSA...like da fuq? As if 40,000km of land in a CSA is comparable to 7000km in a Canadian CMA...TheCanadianGuy123 (talk) 12:23, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistakes in populations 

message: I think the count of teams is not that important. For example: Philadelphia has 4 teams, one in each league; while Los Angeles has 6 teams, but only in 3 leagues. I'd rank the cities by the league count, i.e. in how many leagues they have a team. Though only top 5 cities have that "problem". 85.217.32.182 (talk) 09:58, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a very similar thought.  Perhaps both could be included, though?  At the risk of an ever-wider table...  84.203.36.99 (talk) 04:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  B4 (& B6) column(s) 

message: https://metrocitysportschamp.wixsite.com/citymostsportschamp  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.247.73 (talk) 01:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  North American Metro Cities By Major Sports Championships Link