Talk:Bart Simpson/Archive 1

message: source?
See the alt.tv.simpsons FAQ, which explains that Nancy Cartwright, who (as you know) does Bart's voice-over, gave him the middle name JoJo. — 205.238.129.180 18:58, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty  sure the name Jo-Jo also appears in something like the "Rainy Day Fun Book" or some other non-canon publication from the early days. I remember seeing it. TheHYPO 05:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jo-Jo? 

message: Originally, this is a mexican expression written "¡Ay Caramba!", meaning "oh, god!" or "Wow!" or whatever expression of surprise there is in english (exactly as Bart uses it in the show) and it is pronouncied as written in the article. Still, I wonder if it is alright to leave it or if it should be corrected to its original spanish spelling in the Article.
Three words: Respect other languages...
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I doubt the mexican origin, as the word "Caramba" has a very old and common use in Portugal and Spain, and the origin could be a Portuguese/Spanish one.
As for the definition you're completly correct. 
It's a slang word (though not swearing) to express great surprise or astonishment about something, very common in informal spoken Portuguese.
Ai or ay is another Portuguese(ai)/Spanish(ay) interjection that normally is used with someone experiencing sudden physical pain (a smack in the head, a bump on something, etc...).
It's also very used to start an informal spoken sentence, like the "¡Ay Caramba!".
Correct pronunciation is "ahee".
"Carumba" or the even worst "karumba" are english misspelled adaptations of the word.
FYI, traditional alphabeths of the latin languages family, which Portuguese and Spanish belong, *never* had the "K" letter in it, so "karumba" are two mistakes in a single word.
--Netshark 09:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aye Carumba! 

message: Since when is Bart 11? I've never heard any source for this. Source? APclark 18:20, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In the first paragraph "He is the 11-year-old son" while in the second paragraph "Bart is always described as being 10 years old."  This needs to be fixed, but I don't know the answer... -SCEhardT 03:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  11? 

message: "He was also circumcised as shown in the episode where he and Lisa reconcile Krusty to his father."
I don't remember them ever mentioning that in that episode. I know in "Dont fear the roofer", Marge takes Bart to be circumcised (whether it actually occurs are not is never revealed). That either needs to be referenced or edited.
* I checked the referenced episode, and no such thing happens.  Besides, in the indicated episode, they get detoured and Bart never ends up at the doctor's office - he is shown as up and about when they get home, so it's unlikely he underwent surgery.  I've removed the reference.  There, that's my strange nitpick for the day. --Trafton 03:29, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circumcised? 

message: The prank phone call name list contains names Bart never used on the show. Where do they come from? Could we edit the list so it only has the ones actually used on the show? --WillMak050389 15:43, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some are from the video games and the comics, I am not sure of them all myself, that's why I added the references tag to that section, we need an episode cite (or video game or comic) for each one... - Adolphus79 11:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A discussion on the Talk page for mondegreen raises the issue of the prank-call names, and whether there's a term for what he's doing with the names. A mondegreen is a mishearing, usually accidental, that produces a different meaning. What Bart's doing in some (not all) of the calls is almost a reverse mondegreen, where he is creating the mishearing by saying something apparently innocent, but which will take on a double-meaning once it's repeated by his dupe. Anyone know if this phenomenon has its own name? You are welcome to copy any replies to my Talk page, if you wish; I'm "watching" some 200 pages and might not see it here for a while. Lawikitejana 17:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Prank Phone Call List 

message: This reference keeps getting taken on and off, on and off. Enough already! I've shortened it considerably to the bare bones facts, as it was a bit wordy. But in the end this is a valid piece of trivia about the character. Anyone who can't see that this character in South Park wasn't a reference to, or maybe even supposed to be Bart himself is delusional. 
Please leave it on, the only reason this bit of info keeps getting taken off that I can see is personal bias of some sort. It breaks no wikipedia rule whatsoever and now that I've shortened it to a foot note, it has no business being taken off.--Kiyosuki 00:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bart's South Park appearance 

message: What is the source that verifies that he should be placed in the :Category:Fictional anarchists? Thanks, -Cacuija (my talk) 05:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is no source that verifies this, i will be removing it from that category in a week or so. thanks, --Cacuija (my talk) 01:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article has been removed from Simpson, Bart due to lack of sources. --Cacuija (my talk) 16:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional Anarchist? 

message: Which episode is where Homer thinks Bart is gay? -71.224.24.99 19:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay episode 

message: I have removed this section again. Most of this is trivial information that will not help the article get to GA. Natalie 02:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or clean up the Ralph Wiggum article which, while nicely-written, includes a lot of original research. Longer isn't necessarily better. / edg ☺ ★ 11:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  physical characteristics 

message: What is the name of the episode where Bart's full name is revealed (Bartholomew Jo-Jo Simpson)? I seem to recall Pincipal Skinner discovering his full name in a filing cabinet, while Bart is performing on stage ... or something along along those lines. I always thought that it was the episode where Bart is forced to take up ballet lessons ("Homer vs. Patty & Selma"), but having seen that episode a few times I discovered that the scene I was thinking of was absent. I've seen pretty much every "Simpsons" episode and I still can't figure out where Bart's full name is first mentioned. If anyone knows the episode I am refering to, or can shed some light on the subject I would be very grateful, as it has always bugged me. I also think it would be worth including the origins of Bart's name in the article for further referencing.
:It was in "The Bart Book". Cheers to 2007! User:Sp3000 05:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bart's Full Name? 

message: The link brat links to a disambig page on which none of the entries seems the obviously relevant one. BTW, brat is the word for brother in some Slavic languages e.g. Polish.--Patek 21:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character origins 

message: Someone should write something about Bart's evil twin either by putting under 'family' or at least including it in the main text.
PS This is the first time Ive done something on Wikipedia even though I use it nearly every day so eff off if I did this wrong! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.167.23.38 (talk) 02:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Halloween specials are never canon. If they are, then Maggie speaks like Darth Vader and is an alien's daughter. Gdo01 02:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Bart's "evil" twin? 

message: I think someone should remove that stuff about ADHD, the episode was actually more of a satire than anything, it wasn't really "revealing" anything. It sounds like someone wanting to tell thier little theories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.167.48.62 (talk) 
It is not NPOV. I am going to delete it.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REFERENCE TO ADHD AND THE SIMPSON GENE BEING RELAETED!
SOMEONE IS JUST GOING ON WITH THEIR OWN LITTLE COMFORT THEORY.
COULD SOMEONE PROVIDE A REFERENCE THAT THE TWO ARE RELATED?
"...even before the revealing of the Simpson gene, as Bart exhibited many of the traits of a child afflicted with ADD. His extreme mental quickness coupled with his inability to be able to keep his attention set on mediocre work at school such as in the episode "Bart Gets an F" are big hints"
This section, at least, violates NPOV, and it will be deleted. The remaining reference to ADHD needs to be debated or it should also be deleted.
:Uh, you have to actually explain why something is POV - it isn't good enough to declare it POV and be done with it. Also, please don't shout, and son't forget to sign your posts! Natalie 13:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ADHD 

message: OK, I have no idea where you get the idea that bart has williams syndrome, that is completely ridiculous, I am going to remove it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.229.233.51 (talk) 02:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Williams syndrome 

message: Regarding the citation needed tag about Groening considering Dennis the Menace too tame, he said it in the DVD commentary for Two Bad Neighbors. It's 5AM where I live, so someone else can figure out how to cite it. TJ Spyke 09:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bart inspiration 

message: What happened to the Bartman part of the article? --Cheeze Master 21:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a whole Do the Bartman article, so I assume it was cut as redundant. Natalie 22:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bartman 

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thread_title:  Fair use rationale for Image:BartNews.png 

message: His middle name is Jo-jo or Jojo. Jake the Editor Man  (talk) 18:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to see the source of this fact mentioned in the article, as it is not widely known. Could you supply that somewhere? Thewrongidea (talk) 02:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I am aware of that, but it's a non-canon source and the article doesn't mention who wrote it (was it the writers, Nancy Cartwright or some random guy?) so I think we should leave it out. -- Scorpion0422 19:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  middle name 

message: perhaps this and all the simpsons character's pages should all be in the same format (regardless of which gets chosen) to make them more readable when a person wants to go from this one to homer to marge, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.109.188 (talk) 04:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  format 

message: Of course bart posses linguistic skills he`s not mute! Someone deleted the has amazing linguistic skills part!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meetthemat (talk • contribs) 16:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly are you talking about? CTJF83Talk 21:54, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barts linguistic 

message: For personal use.
===Commentaries I need to listen to===
*There's No Disgrace Like Home (MG once pitched Bart as a spokescharacter for Jell-O)
*Bart the Murderer (first commentary with Cartwright)
*Separate Vocations (for info about Steve Allen as Bart)
*Bart Gets an F
*Bart the Daredevil
*Bart Gets Famous
===Stuff I need to add===
*info on chalkboard gags
*Do the Bartman and Deep, Deep Trouble
*More about Bart as a role model
*Some stuff about his 3D design in THOHVI
*Beef up merchandising
*Add some more info about Butterfinger
*Clean up the Role section and create a personality section</S>
*Create an analysis section (not necessary for GA, but it does eventually need to be done)
*Try and find some criticism of Bart in countries other than the US (haven't found any notable critics from Canada)
*Add a bit more about his catchphrases
*Prank phone calls
*Hallmarks section???
*Bart Simpson comics
*Bartman?
*Macy's Thanksgiving parade balloon
*Nazi Bart T-shirts
*Nudity in the movie
-- Scorpion0422 14:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To-do list 

message: *info on chalkboard gags
*Do the Bartman and Deep, Deep Trouble
*More about Bart as a role model
*Some stuff about his 3D design in THOHVI
*Beef up merchandising
*Add some more info about Butterfinger
*Clean up the Role section and create a personality section</S>
*Create an analysis section (not necessary for GA, but it does eventually need to be done)
*Try and find some criticism of Bart in countries other than the US (haven't found any notable critics from Canada)
*Add a bit more about his catchphrases
*Prank phone calls
*Hallmarks section???
*Bart Simpson comics
*Bartman?
*Macy's Thanksgiving parade balloon
*Nazi Bart T-shirts
*Nudity in the movie
-- Scorpion0422 14:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stuff I need to add

message: In his book Planet Simpson, Chris Turner describes Bart as a nihilist. Bart's character traits of rebelliousness and disrespect for authority has been likened to that of America's founding fathers, rendering him an updated version of American icons Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, rolled into one."Cantor, P: "The Simpsons: Atomistic Politics and the Nuclear Family", page 738. Political Theory, Vol 27 No 6, Dec 1999. -- Scorpion0422 15:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: To be re-added eventually

message: *Non-free
**Bart's doodle in the Simpsons Movie - But I would not be able to provide an adequate rationale for this. It was a very notable and discussed moment, but there are so many much better images that could be included. However, it would be funny and thus it is tempting.  
**An image of a T-Shirt, preferably the controversial "I'm Bart Simpson, who the hell are you?" one.
**An early sketch or drawing of the character
**An image of Bart from "Good Night" 
**Possibly an evolution image
**An image of Bart and Milhouse???
**Bart in a Butterfinger add
**An image of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade balloon.
**Would probably only be able to get away with 5 FU images at most. With two in the article already, a T-shirt, an early sketch and Good Night are my top choices
*Free
**For creation:
***Matt Groening or James L. Brooks 
**For "Bartmania"
***Michael Jackson??? 
***George Bush???
***Bill Cosby???
-- Scorpion0422 17:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Images to consider/add

message: Hi,
As owner of www.ayecarumba.net , a non-profit website dedicated to Bart Simpson, I was wondering whether it was appropriate to put this link in the external websites section. Please let me know what you think.
Many thanks
Graz-d (talk) 11:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That depends, is it a fansite? We generally avoid linking to fansites on Simpsons pages, The Simpsons Archive being the sole exception. -- Scorpion0422 14:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it is kinda (although I would personally call it bigger than just a fansite!) , so I understand why it might be unsuitable for WP...though it is linked from The Simpsons Archive itself. Have a quick look if you have time :)Graz-d (talk) 17:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It looks just like any other fansite of the Simpsons. We can't list every Simpsons fansite, it would be a never ending list. CTJF83Talk 17:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website 

message: El Barto redirects here, but the obvious fact that El Barto is Bart is not mentioned in the article, even as an AKA / tag / handle. The referenced Alter Egos section was merged away / cut. What should El Barto point at now?
Homer: See boy! The real money is in bootlegging, not in your childish vandalism. Bart: So many wasted nights. Homer vs. the Eighteenth Amendment
There should be a new page made for el barto  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.168.144.168 (talk) 09:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Barto 

message: *Just so everybody knows, the image of Bart nude is fairly acceptable, but please do not use any photos exposing Bart's dick as this could cause a fair use rational in the image.--70.240.215.204 (talk) 03:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "nude" scene in [[The Simpsons Movie]] 

message: Why is Clancy Bouvier not listed as one of Bart Simpson's grandparents? Alex Douglas (talk) 02:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Only the main relatives are listed in the infobox. Otherwise it would get too cluttered. TheLeftorium 09:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox > Relatives 

message: In the episode [|Itchy and Scratchy: The Movie] it is shown in a flash-forward that Bart grows up to become Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.  This isn't a dream, nor a fortune-teller story, so isn't it cannon?  As such, I would think it would be notable to the character's bio.  68.8.202.217 (talk) 17:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is only shown for a few seconds, and is not a regular job. The same reason we don't list Homer's hundreds of jobs. CTJF83 chat 18:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bart as Supreme Court Justice 

message: I distinctly remember Bart being kidnapped in France and learning to speak French. Why is this not mentioned?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.117.237.58 (talk) 23:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're probably thinking of The Crepes of Wrath. We can't mention everything from every episode here, but we do have an entire separate article about that episode. Zagalejo^^^ 00:46, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  French? 

message: Barts T-Shirt is sometimes blue, mostly on old merchandise stuff. But there is no mention about that. 62.224.79.184 (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  T-Shirt color 

message: OK, I thought I'd start a topic on the talk page of the article now that it's locked to give us the chance to resolve this.
I cannot find anything in Google to say that Bart was originally going to be called Mort.  I have even looked on The Simpsons Wikia and on The Simpsons website and nothing is there.  I'm inclined to think that if this was true then it would be stated elsewhere.
In any case, myself and others can't get the video to play.  No idea why as I don't understand the error message.  I did try to copy the error message on to here but I can't.  However if it won't play to everyone then it won't be verifiable to everyone and in that case, if another source can't be found, I'm inclined to think that it has to stay out of the article.  
Thoughts anyone?--5 albert square (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can guarantee it is false. As good as WP:DOH is, collectively we have watched all the current DVD commentaries, and surely something as major as a original name would have shown up. CTJF83 chat 23:46, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well actually I have managed to get the video to play, and Bonnie Pietila does indeed mention in it that Bart was very briefly meant to be called Mort. However, the fact that this was only for "one day", which is fairly ambigous and the fact that it hasn't been mentioned anywhere else means it shouldn't be in the article because it isn't notable and may not really be very accurate. Also, for stuff like this, I'd rather here it directly from Matt Groening and he has only ever mentioned he chose Bart instead of his own name because it was an anagram of brat. Gran2 23:50, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion it has to be mentioned, because Bart Simpson is one of the biggest made-up characters in popular culture and because the article is favorite. --Pek (talk) 23:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you need a better, more reliable source then a video that, apparently, most people can't even view. CTJF83 chat 23:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to download Microsoft Silverlight to be able to play it, also you can't play it if you are using Linux. --Pek (talk) 23:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the video's site is realible, it is from Finnish MTV3 video bank. --Pek (talk) 23:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I have a number of Simpsons books and memorabilia talking about the Simpsons and none of it mentions "Mort" anywhere.  If it was notable, it would be mentioned somewhere other than on a poorly trafficked website in a video that most of us can't even get to play.  I have Silverlight installed -- I use with some programming software on a Windows 7 computer and it still doesn't play for me.  Banaticus (talk) 00:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure you have the newest version of Silverlight? I would like also to say that this specific video is very rare footage because it was special interview of Bonita Pietila (who has family roots from Finland) by Finnish media, which is the reason for that Bonita released some very unic information about Bart and talked about episodes where was references to Finland, so overall it is quite special source in my opinion. By the way, here is screenshot of the video (part where Mort was mentioned). --Pek (talk) 00:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was only considered for a day then I'd say this wasn't notable enough to be included in the article.  If it's for only one day I'm inclined to believe that it wasn't seriously considered.  I'm sure if it was seriously considered it would have been in something other than the source mentioned above by now.--5 albert square (talk) 00:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I just updated Silverlight on Tuesday and a newer version hasn't been released since.  It sounds like (if it was only considered "for a day") that it was more of a brainstorming session.  Banaticus (talk) 00:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the original plan, original idea, but when The Simpsons aired for first time at The Tracey Ullman Show it was changed before it to Bart. --Pek (talk) 00:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're giving "talks of a different name" too much undue weight, with no other source mentioning it. Plus even if there was a reliable source, it definitely does not belong in the opening sentence. CTJF83 chat 00:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I don't think Jim Brooks even knows anything about the original plans, because it seems like from the video source that Matt Groening only told that plan to Bonnie Pietila, when she had first call with him about The Simpsons. (This info is however more like a speculation, but the fact that Bart was going to be Mort in the original plans it is indeed true.) --Pek (talk) 00:21, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As I mentioned, even if true, it gives way too much WP:UNDUE weight, 1 day compared to 23 years as Bart? CTJF83 chat 00:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd normally say that Twitter isn't reliable but that's a verified account so I'm guessing that it's true.  Pek, if Matt only suggested that just to Bonnie then to me that suggests it wasn't a serious idea and therefore shouldn't be included.  Surely if it was seriously suggested, everyone would be involved in the decision?--5 albert square (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see any question about Mort Simpson there? Also it could be possible that he just doesn't remember it, but I doubt that. Kinda strange that Wikipedia can use Twitter as source since it isn't third-party source if the person itself writes thing there (or thats what I assume how it works). --Pek (talk) 00:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad, I found the question now. It was here. --Pek (talk) 00:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Why would Jim Brooks, the man who was (according the offical line at least) the first person in the world to see the Simpsons, not know the original plans? Groening went to Brooks to pitch Life in Hell, he sketched the Simpsons in the lobby outside his office 15 minutes before going to see him. Apart from Groening he is the single most authoritative source there is. Gran2 00:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That indeed sounds a bit strange, but I believe more that Brooks didn't know it or don't remember it then the fact that Bonita lied about the name to respected Finnish media MTV3. --Pek (talk) 00:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I could see it possibly being mentioned in an aside like, "One of the names tossed around for the Bart character during brainstorming sessions was Mort" but even that seems a little strong in the face of what we currently "know" -- it flies in the face of too much established Simpsons history.  This might be something like the Millikan Oil drop experiment errors, where nobody wanted to differ too much from the first established experiment and experimenters crept up on the results, but I still would want to see this in other sources first. Banaticus (talk) 00:30, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it possible to vote for things like this? I mean voting for information in the article. --Pek (talk) 00:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We go by consensus.  If the general consensus is that it should be included in the article then it will be included.  If the consensus is that it shouldn't then it won't be included.--5 albert square (talk) 00:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: We are "voting" on it right now by debating facts and precedent.  Pek, when I look at the article page, the video itself doesn't work and trying to click on the video link just redirects me to the homepage of the site.  Perhaps the site doesn't want to show the link to people in the US.  Anyway, since our argument mainly boils down to whether that video is a reliable source compared to Jim Brooks' Twitter post, you might want to go to the Reliable sources/Noticeboard and see how other editors feel about the reliability of that video. :) Banaticus (talk) 00:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, thanks for help. --Pek (talk) 00:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: That most likely was accident, this case isn't accident and it is the first plan ever existed, which in my opinion gives it some reliability. --Pek (talk) 01:05, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait a second here, are you even familiar with the story of The Simpsons and how Matt Groening named the characters? What makes you think that, even if it happened, that it was ever meant to be permanent? Her statement was so ambiguous that for all we know it could also have been a mistake. Why should we ever use that source to go against the common creation story, that Matt Groening created and named the characters in 15 minutes has been around 22 years and has been published in so many reliable sources? -- Scorpion0422 01:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe I should try to contact Bonita somehow and ask hir why this was something which no one ever knew, that was it purposely kept as secret for some reason. --Pek (talk) 02:11, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I might have something interesting. If you look at this picture, you can see Bart in Life in Hell comics, now if we find a comic where his name is mentioned it should be Mort. That way we can prove that the name Mort was used before The Simpsons and we will also prove that Bonita Pietila is telling truth and then add the information to the article. --Pek (talk) 02:22, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're starting to go a little far here. First of all, how do you know that the image was from before The Simpsons debuted? Secondly, what makes you assume that Bart, renamed Mort, was a regular character in Life in Hell? After all, did she not say FOR ONE DAY (if true, maybe it was just for a casting call)? Finally, I'm not sure why you would possibly take the word of a casting director over the word of the man who created the character. -- Scorpion0422 02:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: 26.9. Suomi-Bonita Simpsoneiden menestyksen takana states in Finnish: "Roolittaja ja tuottaja Bonita Pietila kertoo 45 minuutin erikoishaastattelussa, miten vauhdilla tehty roolitus oikein tapahtui. Hän paljastaa myös, mikä oli Bart Simpsonin alkuperäinen nimi.", which translated in English is: "Casting director and producer Bonita Pietila tells in 45 minuttia -television programs special interview, how "speedly" directing happend. She also reveals what was Bart's original name." Now why the hell would MTV3 write such a thing if they would know it would be just a big joke (or more likely a lie, because I don't see anything "funny" saying: that the character was Mort, not Bart). --Pek (talk) 03:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Even if it wasn'T a joke, it was only one day. Perhaps it was only brainstorming because the name "Mort" wasn't used official and wasn't mentioned in another interview. Until we find a second source, the infomation is not notable to put it into the article. --Morten Haan (talk) 14:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, so are we agreed then, unless there is another source also stating this that this should then stay out of the article?--5 albert square (talk) 23:05, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that, 5 albert square. AnemoneProjectors 12:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I have messaged Pek and requested that it is removed as per the discussion on this talk page.  I'd remove it myself but I don't speak the language so couldn't be sure I was removing the correct information.--5 albert square (talk) 02:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I answered here. --Pek (talk) 07:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mort Simpson 

message: In the TV cartoon, Bart's middle name is J. It is even specifically named as J, not an abbreviation for any other name. In the book Bart Simpson's Guide to Life, it is listed as JoJo. 
Questions:
1) Is this book considered to be canon? Is there evidence one way or the other that it can be considered canon? The book was not written by Matt Groening or (from what I can tell) any prominent writers from the TV show.
2) Is there any source besides this book which lists Bart's middle name as JoJo?
3) The only writer of this book who is strongly associated with the Simpsons Bill Morrison, who is the co-founder of Bongo Comics. These comics are not considered to be canon.
DFS (talk) 01:42, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bart's middle name - J or JoJo?  

message: Is this a joke? When has Bart EVER been called "Bartholomew"? 129.180.149.110 (talk) 11:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Dozens of times. Gran2 14:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bartholomew"? 

message: If Lisa becomes Hound, Marge becomes Jetfire and Maggie becomes Bumblebee, what about the males?
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thread_title:  The family as [[Autobots]] 

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message: In the last year or so, there have been these depressed Bart edits on the internet. Although I, personally, think they are kind of unnecessary, I would also think that it could be relevant for a brief mention in the article. What do you think? 2601:8C:4500:1294:29A2:28BA:F09C:D663 (talk) 19:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depressed Edits 

message: The most commonly recognized name for the character is Bart Simpson. I propose changing the lead sentence from:  to:  Bartholomew isn't mentioned anywhere else in the article besides the infobox. And is it really essential to know that Bart's middle name is JoJo? I tend to agree with the arguments put forward at a 2019 discussion on WT:MOSBIO that , meaning there's no need to state the character's "legal" name, and , such as minor plot points which are better suited to the body of the article. See also Talk:Cara Dune#Nickname in lead. Thoughts? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , perhaps it could mentioned in the body of the article something like "The episode XYZ reveals Bart's full name to be Bartholomew JoJo Simpson". Since there is no strict continuity in the series, the full name might not be valid in later episodes. Consider this the same case with Huey, Dewey, and Louie. In Quack Pack, the latter two's names are Deuteronomy and Louis, but in the new DuckTales they are Dewford and Llewellyn. Kailash29792 (talk)  05:46, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine by me, I just don't think it belongs in the lead sentence. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

text: . Given no objections in over a month, I've  to Bart Simpson. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:10, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name in lead sentence