Talk:Georges Ernest Boulanger

message: This encyclopedic entry about Georges Boulanger, the French military general who turned into an influential politician in the 1880’s, has its strengths and weaknesses.  Within the article, it is asserted by the author that influence of Boulanger upon France was positive, or at the very least not entirely negative.  The list of accomplishments and awards won by Boulanger at the beginning makes the reader attribute a fair amount of prestige and respect to the French general.  Later in the article, despite Boulanger’s involvement with intrigue and deception, the scandals are described as “brief” and “minor” in importance.  His intricately described popularity amongst the French people is an example of the author asserting that while Boulanger may have been a controversial figure, his presence in France was not entirely negative.
:First of all, this article does not have a single author - it has two or more. It has me as the one to have contributed most, but I have done so only by translating what's on the French version. What I did was to join new text with existing one, and the sentences you object to most, I'm glad to say, were there to begin with. Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly don't think Boulanger's role was positive! I don't think the author of the French article thinks that, since I had to remove some partisan sentences in what I was translating. Please, don't assume. I translated that bit about his early life because all wiki articles I've seen give such detail: can I help it if he had won something or taken part in something else? Plus, you must really be fond of colonialism, if you consider his role to have been necessarily "positive" (in Vietnam or Tunis) - it was as good or as wrong as the French attitutes at the time, and he briefly stood for all the wrong ones (if you ask me).Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Again, this is because of this article being about him. You assume that, since sentences were assigned an order, that order must have been trying to induce something. Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the movement was a minority at a national level some months after it came about, and had probably ammessed popularity to an even higher level after the elections. Dahn 17:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The sentence was already in there. I wanted to remove it, as it is a tad to lyrical, but then I thought someone else would if is that illogical. Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Surely, he must have had some kind of fame since that has happened! I'm not gonna say: hey, look, that must meant that the fella wasn't that bad! Simply because I don't think fame is legitimacy, and I'm guessing neither did the author of the original version! Again, you assume a lot, and what I could assume on the basis of it is that you consider others idiots who could be easily impressed and are too gregarious to be objective. At best, mention of his popularity goes hand in hand with the hybrid nature of his dogma - and I belive his personal mix is made clear throughout the article. Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Look, I couldn't cite the exact source, as I hadn't read the book. But we have this thing on wikipedia: inter-wiki links, whereby a word turns blue and clicking it leads to the article on the topic. Plus, to my knowledge, the book isn't about Boulanger as much as it is about the rise of Fascism. Even though I haven't read the book, I know a bit on the subject: that's precisely why I wanted to keep mention of this brief. Consider the mention of Action Française/Cercle Proudhon in the article. Should I really expand on what that is, when people can just click on the name and get a full article dealing with it in way more detail than this article could and should? Dahn 17:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: First of all, you can't blame me or anyone in particular for further information not existing in English. The quotes where tranlsted from the French section. I know, the French have this stupid habit of considering quotes to not need mention of a source - if it helps, I personally have heard the Ferry and Clemenceau ones in numerous contexts. Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Blame them mostly on me being myopic (and not a native English-speaker). Please, hunt my grammar down and improve it, by all means. Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It was in there before I started adding text. I simply took all info available and put it in one place: unfortunately, nothing seemed to make things clearer about the events themselves. I also dislike the speculative nature of it, but I thought someone with more knowledge might reformulate it (this is a major problem: I knew enough to know some things needed reformulation, but not enough to know what to formulate instead). Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I have found none whatsoever. Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Me too, but the only reference to the outcome of the duel was in this article already, as far as I remember. Again, use inter-wiki: Floquet has an article, and it does say a bit more. Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The mention seemed subjective to me, but I left in the article: I thought perhaps someone knows why, and could enlighten us. Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the appreciation. I agree that a lot needs to be done on this article - but I think I have helped people who could do more for it: at the very least, because replacing and rephrasing in an existing text is easier than writing a new one. Dahn 15:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: This article appears to borrow some sentences directly from the Columbia Encyclopedia article on Boulanger, such as "Numerous royalists gave him financial aid, although Boulanger saw himself as a future dictator rather than a restorer of kings". Algabal 23:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism

message: This is a B level article, but it is in serious need of sources.  ludahai 魯大海 01:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 13:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: There is part of a paragraph that reads:
:A coup d'état seemed probable and desirable among his supporters. Boulanger had now become a threat to the parliamentary Republic. Had he immediately placed himself at the head of a revolt he might have effected the coup which many of his partisans had worked for, and might even have governed France; but the opportunity passed with his procrastination on January 27.
* There are no citations for this
* Which of his supporters said that a coup was probable and/or desirable?
* The last sentence is speculation - and in its current form is in breach of Wikipedia policy WP:NOTCRYSTAL.  It would be OK, if this was the opinion of someone important, and there was a reliable source for it
--Toddy1 (talk) 20:53, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coup & [[WP:NOTCRYSTAL]]

message: The article states that Boulanger was engaged in a dispute with Gustave Flourens in 1887. Gustave Flourens died in 1871. Actarus000 (talk) 16:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says that Boulanger was in a dispute with the foreign minister... Flourens.  As the foreign minister at that time was Émile Flourens, I have changed the article to say Émile Flourens.--Toddy1 (talk) 08:41, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gustave Flourens was dead in 1887 

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message: Citations have been rarely used for this article and the section 'The rise of Boulangisme' has no citations. I am placing a template for this and hope that action is taken. WikiSilky (talk) 09:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very less citations 

message: I removed the reference to Payne describing Boulanger as a proto-fascist as Payne plainly did not believe this. To quote from his 1995 A History of Fascism on page 44, "Though the League of Patriots and Boulangism incorporated some of the concepts of fascism, Boulangism was not a true fascist-type movement, and France was not suffering from a genuine “prefascist crisis” in the 1880s. It was too stable, prosperous, and successful to fall prey to such temptations." For Payne, fascism follows from economic crisis and he therefore rejects the possibility that Boulanger was a fascist. 69.143.85.153 (talk) 16:50, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
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