Talk:1970 United Kingdom general election

message: I taped all fourteen hours of this when it was re-shown on the Parliament Channel last month and have finally completed a set of notes pertaining to the reasons given by politicians, political commentators, psephologists and members of the public about the reasons for the Tory victory: have now added a paragraph to the article citing the most commonly mentioned factors. If anyone wishes to dispute these, I can provide the names of the people who advanced these theories and the times at which they were interviewed on the programme. Regarding Powell, will in due course add something about his alleged influence - but it seems that most of those interviewees who were asked were rather dismissive of the notion that there had been any special 'Powell factor'. 89.195.205.181 (talk) 18:18, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea that Harold Wilson and Reginald Maudling's opinions can be compared to psephologist's academic studies is somewhat ridiculous. I doubt that on election night they sat down and studied the results and came to the conclusions they did, rather than guessing off the top of their head when asked by an interviewer.--Britannicus (talk) 19:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Wilson and Maudling would have had considerable feedback from the campaign on the ground - and would, therefore, have been in at least some position to evaluate whether Powell had an influence and what that influence was. Furthermore, your comment overlooks the fact that psephologists are not united in their view about Powell's alleged influence: the academic study you choose to believe in is at the very extreme end of the scale in terms of the effect it attributes to Powell. Incidentally, when Enoch Powell himself was interviewed by Sir Robin Day on election night, he complained bitterly that Heath had attacked him during the campaign (by calling him "unChristian" and "inhuman" and by accusing him of being "a divisive force in the community"). You have still not explained how Powell's supporters would have been attracted to vote for Heath when the latter had done so much to distance himself from the former. Logic is simply not on your side. Multiculturalist (talk) 21:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, you still do not understand Wikipedia. You cannot edit an article based on your "logic" derived from your original research because articles have to be referenced from reputable sources. Powell repeatedly and emphatically advised the electorate to vote Conservative in well-publicised speeches, and in dealing with Powell's influence in the election, that part of the article should be sourced from academic studies, not the parroting of official party lines by politicians.--Britannicus (talk) 21:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have not used my "logic" to edit this article. I have provided a sourced reference to comments made by, amongst others, the BBC's Midlands correspondent - who emphatically refutes the notion that Powell helped the Tories in the black country. This is someone who closely followed the campaign in that area and who had time to analyse the election results in some detail on the night. How on earth can you claim to have a greater understanding of this issue than him? Further more, what I have not mentioned is that during the 14-hour long BBC results coverage a number of analysts, politicians and members of the public (including Tory activists in the Midlands) described Powell as "an embarrassment" to the party. People who are embarrassing do not generally attract votes. As one Tory put it "It's a good thing to have a united looking party." Multiculturalist (talk) 01:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How on earth can you claim to have greater understanding of this election than psephologists, who spend their days studying elections? The fact is that Powell was popular and that he attracted votes to the Conservatives which helped them win the election. The only question is how many votes he helped attract. Anyone who claims he made the Tories more unpopular does not deserve to be taken seriously.--Britannicus (talk) 00:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC 1970 General Election results coverage

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message: "BBC Election Results Programme, 18–19 July 1970."
Really? The BBC broadcast a (long, evidently) results programme about the election a month after it happened? Shouldn't that read "..June 1970"? Harfarhs (talk) 20:51, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference number 3 

message: Does the 625 Labour candidates standing including the Northern Ireland Labour Party? And does the total votes include the NILP votes? --185.18.49.19 (talk) 11:12, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it does (probably worth a note, actually).  The NILP candidates were endorsed by the British Labour Party, as they were at most general elections, and so are counted together here. Warofdreams talk 13:54, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Labour candidates 

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message: The bar in the section "results" is interesting insofar as, according to this bar, 6 MPs of the Liberal Party seem to be about twice as much as 6 MPs of the Others. Shouldn't that be corrected? --Maxl (talk) 17:33, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction: The bar was correct but the figure was wrong. The Liberals had 12 seats in the 1970 election, not 6 as given in the bar. I corrected the figure. --Maxl (talk) 17:36, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Another correction - the 12 was the previous result... it was 6 after all for the 1970 election. So the bar is wron indeed. Sorry, I was a bit confused. --Maxl (talk) 17:39, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting results bar 

message: I am not sure that this section actually adds anything. Also the list would seem to be only partially complete.  Notably the declaration of the result of George Brown's sensational defeat in Belper was certainty broadcast live, but does not appear here. Equally this list contains none of the declarations that were broadcast live in the daytime coverage on Friday for the seats that counted/declared from Friday morning onward, for example the West Aberdeenshire result, where Colin Mitchell won a high profile fight, was broadcast live. Equally so were some of the Northern Irish results including Rafton Pounder's election in  Belfast South. Dunarc (talk) 23:41, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Televised declarations 

message: Gwynfor Evans had been elected for Carmarthen in a by-election in 1966 as a Plaid Cymru candidate, but the article did not have him down as a defeated incumbent. Yet Winnie Ewing SNP, and other by-election victors between 1966 and 1970 who failed to hold their seats are included in the incumbents defeated section. I have therefore added Evans and Plaid into this section. Dunarc (talk) 23:51, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gwynfor Evans and Plaid Cymru 

message: Why is File:1965 Jeremy Thorpe.jpg not used as the infobox image for Jeremy Thorpe when it's used as the infobox image for his own Wikipedia article? I've put it in as the image for the infobox twice and it has been deleted. User:YttriumShrew talk 15 June 2019 4:32 AM UTC  —Preceding undated comment added 04:32, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
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message: In the section headed 'Incumbents defeated', many entries are followed with '(By-election win)'  -  presumably logging those who had served through only part of the previous government. Why do none of the Labour MPs' entries carry this note? Valetude (talk) 20:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  'By-election win'?