Talk:LGBT rights in Indonesia

message: For now the status of LGBT people serving in the Indonesian military might be de facto Illegal (even though no rules are officially placed against it ), since a few military officer have been sentenced to 7 months prison for doing same sexual activity. Also, being open about your sexuality might be frowned upon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:448a:2082:871d:7851:9147:d86:4906 (talk • contribs) 23:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status of LGBT people serving openly in the military  

message: Current infobox states status of LGBT as "legal". However, IMO the word of "legal" implies that there are law/act/regulation that explicitly allows it. Meanwhile AFAIK,  there is no law/act/regulation that explicitly allow or prohibit LGBT. If we look example of  on Template:Infobox LGBT rights, the word "never criminalized" was used. Therefore, I propose to change the word of "legal" on status parameter to something else (unregulated, not specified or perhaps you have better suggestion?) Ckfasdf (talk) 12:28, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, sorry for the late reply. Imho, I do not really agree with your proposal. If you see this article, you can see that the legality of LGBT in African countries such as Burkina Faso, Central African Republic, Djibouti, etc. are written as "Legal (No laws against same-sex sexual activity have ever existed in the country)". As you mentioned earlier, Indonesia doesn't have a law that specifically regulate LGBT activities. Therefore, I'm advocating for keeping the word "legal" for now, perhaps adding the phrase "(No laws against same-sex sexual activity have ever existed in the country)" behind it. Thank you. Cal1407 (talk) 14:58, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:   IMO, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not really strong argument to keep using the word of "legal". And if you look up the definition of "legal", every references that I look up said that it means something that is permitted by law (reference: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5). And as I said earlier, since Indonesia don't have any law that specifically regulate LGBT activities, it cannot be considered as "permitted by law", so we can't say that is "legal". For time being, I propose to put as Grey area simply because no law regulates this issue at the moment. And for addition of phrase "No laws against same-sex sexual activity have ever existed in the country", It can be included in the body of article and it's a bit too long for infobox. Ckfasdf (talk) 22:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything that's not prohibited by law is legal. Being gay is like being left-handed. If there's no law prohibiting left-handedness so it's legal just like any other citizens in the society. There's no need for a law to regulate left-handedness or specifically targeting left-handed people. Springtime95 (talk) 13:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

text: there's no law regulating left-handedness so does it mean left-handedness is illegal? Springtime95 (talk) 13:30, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no law specifically regulating mangoes, cherries...doesn't not mean they are not legal. All sexual activities that are not prohibited by the law are legal. Springtime95 (talk) 13:33, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything that's not specified by law is neither legal or illegal. We can categorized something legal or illegal only if there is specific law that allows or prohibit it. Ckfasdf (talk) 21:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Everything that's not prohibited by law is legal. Springtime95 (talk) 13:11, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Being gay is like being left-handed. If there's no law prohibiting left-handedness so it's legal just like any other citizens in the society. There's no need for a law to regulate left-handedness or specifically targeting left-handed people.Springtime95 (talk) 13:14, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Legal status

message: Can someone protect this page to only registered users can edit this page? -GogoLion (talk) 03:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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