Talk:Winnipeg/Archive 1

message: I plan to remove the redirect from Winnipeg and make it a disambiguation. Winnipeg is also the name of a bear on whom the Disney character Winnie the Pooh is named. Jay 16:18, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It didn't make sense to make Winnipeg a disambig page as there are 100+ articles that link to it. It would make sense to redirect Winnipeg, Manitoba to Winnipeg. Jay 05:07, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Winnie the Pooh is not a "Disney character", no more than is Snow White Leonard G. 20:07, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Disambiguation would make sense if it possibly had in brackets stated what Winnie the Pooh was. But Winnipeg is the bear's -real- name. So, I vote for a disambiguation page. Disinclination 03:38, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winnie the Pooh 

message: I removed the sentence that Winnipeg was named in 1835 because I am quite confident that Winnipeg was not officially used as a name in 1835, rather Fort Garry or Red River Settlement would have been used.  The Post Office only officially adopted the name in 1876.  --CWood 02:38, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming of City 

message: In the Architechture (sorry if I spelled it wrong) section, it says: 
"The City of Winnipeg is located at the junction of the Red and Assiniboine Rivers, almost at the geographic centre of North America. The name Winnipeg has its origin in the Cree Indian name given to the lake 40 miles north, meaning "Win", muddy, "nipee", water."
Should this really be there?
I agree - I think that this should be removed - I'm going to do this and see if I can find a new home for this info somewhere in the rest of the page. CWood 23:30, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Architecture? 

message: Corey Koskie is from Anola,Manitoba not Winnipeg. If this is talking about Manitoban athletes, Carmen,Manitobas Ed Belfour and Russel,Manitobas Theoren Fleury should be included, among others.
Find out who added that one, and leave a message on their talk page. --Munchkinguy 20:02, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corey Koskie??? 

message: This article says about Winnipeg:
It is the province's largest city, with 702,400 people (Statistics Canada, 2004 est.) in the metropolitan area.
Unfortunatley, the "Winnipeg metropolitan area" that Statistics Canada talks about includes Selkirk, Manitoba and Springfield, Manitoba, along with all sorts of other towns that are not actually in Winnipeg. I'm trying to find a better statistic, but so far, no luck. --Munchkinguy 22:44, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Using "city proper" statistics dilutes the meaningfulness of the article.  Yes, technically the City of Winnipeg has X number of inhabitants, but are most people outside of the area going to consider places like Selkirk anything other than neighbourhoods?  One could say New York City has 8 million people, but that masks the 20-million megalopolis surrounding it.  Using Metropolitan statistics gives everyone a better idea just how large of a city it is.  Mincing words and using legal technicalities is the place of lawyers and public administrators. --Alexwcovington (talk) 23:00, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

text: The figures for Census Division #11 might be a useful second figure, for considering population growth.  It includes the Rural Municipality of Headingley, which used to be part of Winnipeg.  But using the figure for the CMA is not a compromise; it's just plain misleading.  
The Winnipeg Census Metropolitan Area does not include Grand Marais, however the Capital Region does and no population figure is mentioned for the Capital Region. I would estimate it to be in the neighbourhood of 850,000.  As is typical of Manitobans you're missing the point completely. A metropolitan area is a region that has strong economic and social interconnection between its various communities. Thus Selkirk, East and West St.Paul, Springfield, Lorette, etc. are clearly part of Metropolitan Winnipeg as most of the residents in those communities work and shop in the City of Winnipeg. East and West St. Paul are clearly suburban municipalities. Have you been there? How is Bird's Hill different from Charleswood or North Kildonan? Indeed some of the St.Paul's lie within the Perimeter Highway.  Yes, Selkirk is a separate city, and one could stay in Selkirk without ever needing to venture into Winnipeg,  but Oakville,Ont. is also a separate city with it's own amenities, yet it is clearly still a part of the GTA (Toronto Metropolitan Area). Similarly, Surrey, B.C. is also a separate city (and still has some rural areas within it) but you'd be laughed out the door if you suggested Surrey is not a part of Greater Vancouver!  The Metropolitan population should always be used as the central city population seldom gives an accurate portrayal of the size of an urban area. Would anyone say that Vancouver is a city of half a million or Minneapolis a city of 350,000? Of course not, this would be "just plain misleading". Vancouver has two million people and Minneapolis nearly three million; the figures for the metropolitan areas are used. Using your logic Winnipeg is larger than Minneapolis and St.Paul combined.  Anyone who has travelled there would know that this is absurd; that the statistic makes no real sense. Again, when speaking of population USE METROPOLITAN AREA STATISTICS. The City population is for use at City Hall for budget determinations, etc.--207.161.47.89 01:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text: To see the extents of the area, select an area in the pop-up and click "map" on the StatsCan page.  You might also get an idea of the urban limit looking at the Google map (click "satellite" to see the farm fields).  —Michael Z. 2005-05-17 04:16 Z
Sorry that I wasn't clear before, but theCity of Winnipeg Census Data sheet contains population information of only Winnipeg, so it can be used as a source for the population. For more information (including the population of the CMA) see this site
--Munchkinguy 19:06, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: I fixed the red link, but can anyone verify where he was born? One reference  says on a farm south of Winnipeg, and moved at the age of 10. Any van Vogt scholars, please advise. --Wtshymanski 30 June 2005 19:06 (UTC)
: This page  looks pretty plausible and says vanVogt was born near Morden - so I've moved the entry. --Wtshymanski 30 June 2005 19:33 (UTC)
I think is ridiculous to use 619,000 as the population figure. If you looka t the Vancouver site they put both Vacnouver and its surrounding. If they simply used Vancouver the population would be listed as 545,671.  Why are you argung with Stats Cans figures. Thats ridiculous
No one is arguing, that's why both statistics are in the article; city proper and metropolitan area.--207.161.47.89 01:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A. E. van Vogt

message: > Winnipeg is protected by the Winnipeg Police Service...
But this article also says Winnipeg has twice the crime of Toronto—so which statement is true?
—SomeAvailableName (talk) 05:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC
::Check your sources. People often get deceived when it comes to rates, protection, numbers, area, time, and other factors with stuff like this. The crime rate is higher, not the amount of crimes(however it was in the past). The city of Toronto has three times of Winnipeg's population, not eight like the metro how most people measure. The amount of crimes in Winnipeg is decreasing, but in most cities it increases, so I think that because of that it is true to say that it is protected.Njaohnt (talk) 18:05, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's WP:Synthesis and kinda POV too......you're assuming that the crime rate went down because of policing activites, but whatever reasons there are or may be cannot be interpreted by Wikipedians, but must follow the sources.Skookum1 (talk) 18:19, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The crime rate is decreasing in most cities across Canada, including Toronto. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canadas-crime-rate-drops-with-homicides-at-46-year-low/article13416456/
142.161.57.87 (talk) 15:58, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Protected" by police?