Talk:Area and population of European countries

message: Would it be more logical for the UK dependencies, Greenland and the Faroe Islands to be placed in the 
the Constituent Nations, Regions and Provinces of Larger Countries with Distinctive Identities table and devote the first table to just fully independent and recognised countries??
--ClungeLover69 (talk) 13:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Its confusing to have (say) Jersey listed as "Jersey (UK)" since its not part of the UK. Francis Davey (talk) 20:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: UK Dependencies and Danish Autonomous regions???

message: Why is Denmark omitted from population density and from area? Greenland's area (but not its population density) is shown.
Snezzy (talk) 22:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Found the answer - insufficient rvv from the vandal who replaced Denmark, Netherlands, Russia, etc. with non-European countries. Intermediate editors may wish to restore changes I clobbered. Snezzy (talk) 22:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Denmark should be as Denmark proper. Faroe Island, Greenland and Denmark proper are different countries (the so called Rigsfællesskabet makes the Queen of Denmark Monarch at Greenland and Faroe Islands. Both areas has two MPs each in the Parliament. I doubt Greenland is European at all. Boeing720 (talk) 17:23, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denmark? 

message: I have reverted an edit of an anynomous user removing the entry of Kosovo.  While I believe this is the correct thing to do, I do not know however whether there exists a consensus on the inclusion of Kosovo.  Pietrow (talk) 12:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kosovo

message: The population of France in 2007 was 63,601,002 ( and 65,031,022 if you count populations of the overseas departments and territories of France like Guadeloupe, Martinique, Reunion and French Guiana) and not 60,000,000 etc..and her density is 111 and not 109.
so I have changed the numbers.
You can see and read this french article for more information: 
*   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.92.63.148 (talk) 12:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: France

message: The current languages section gives the lead "This is a list of 39 spoken languages (mother tongue) in Europe." The writing in bold is my emphasis. This list states there are 400,000 Irish mother language speakers. This is highly inaccurate. There are no census figures which state this. According to the 2006 census there were over 1 million speakers of the language, but this did not determine the fluency of those speakers, nor whether or not those speakers who were fluent had Irish as a mother language or learned it subsequently. According to estimates from sources such as Hindley there are approx. 25,000 fluent mother language speakers of Irish at a minimum and 75,000 at a maximum. There are many other fluent speakers of course, but not mother language speakers. Also, there are an estimated 600,000 mother language Welsh speakers but this is not included on the list. Neither is Breton with over 200,000 mother language speakers. Personally I believe this section belongs in the Demographics of Europe article and not here, with this page focussing solely on the population (number of people) rather than any of their characteristics. Anyone have any objections to the deletion of this section? Mac Tíre Cowag 08:09, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages section 

message: Russia and Turkey are the two major transcontinental countries in this article. I've added details to the text about their European parts, European Russia and East Thrace. Most of the population of Russia is in Europe, but most of the area is in Asia. Most of the area and population of Turkey is in Asia. However, the population density in Europe is much higher.
The articles dealing with European population and Area make the distinction also with these countries and their 'European' part. Perhaps, the table could include the information on the European part only. 60.240.207.146 (talk) 04:08, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree Boeing720 (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russia and Turkey 

message: The currently displayed sum of the areas (26,680,676 km2) does not correspond to the sum of the listed country areas (24,110,455). The population sum is off too, but only by 480,000 (0.5%) and the overall density would be nearly 35/km2. These numbers are pretty meaningless anyway. Indeed, the introduction ends with "The aggregate for Europe excluding Russia, Azerbaijan and Georgia, the population density is 105 persons per km2 (including them it is 31, mostly due to the Russian Federation's vastness)." The table lists the latter. Neither number is right for the population density of physical Europe. Why not simply list the area, population, and density for the European parts of all countries. E.g. for European Russia that is 3,992,500 km2, 108,949,694 and 27.22/km2 (in 2015). For European Turkey that is 23,764 km2, 10,620,739 and an impressive 446.9/km2 (in 2012). Numbers for the Netherlands, Spain and Portugal are also straightforward to get (why do it this for France alone?), though they will have little impact on the total number. Only Kazakhstan will be hard (roughly 180,000 km2, <1,000,000 people west of the Ural). The density would be around 71 people/km2 (including or excluding all of the Caucasian countries and Cyprus has little impact)  Afasmit (talk) 21:13, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Overall European population density

message: I don't think Canary Islands should be inculded , as the list is about Europe. Canary Islands are politically Spanish, but geographically African. Canary Islands isn't a part of the EU, but a free-trade area. Boeing720 (talk) 17:17, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Does Spain's figure include Ceuta and Mellia, the African cities are Spanish, which might alter the statistics. 2A04:4A43:8DBF:F3BB:25B7:AB20:DA9A:C9C (talk) 19:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spain & Canary Islands 

message: If what matters in this article is purely geography, why are the entirety of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Cyprus included? These countries either have no territory in the European continent or they are transcontinental countries. Plus if the question is purely geographical then the European part of Kazakhstan should also be included.
If what matters is being considered part of Europe in *some* way, whether that's geography, culture, being in the European Council or something else, then we have to include whole populations of Turkey, France and Russia.
Plus I saw some people wanting to remove Turkey because it is "not a European country" for the following reasons:
1)Turkey doesn't speak an Indo-European language
2)Turkey isn't Christian
3)Turkey has the majority of its population and land in Asia
4)Turkey doesn't have a "European culture"
The answers to these are pretty basic:
1)Neither does Finland, Hungary, Estonia
2)Neither is Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo
3)Armenia and Cyprus have no land or population whatsoever in Europe yet they are in the list
4)Most of the Turkish culture is a mixture of Ottoman and Byzantine heritage. The country, even in the current climate, is more western than any other Middle Eastern country (except maybe Israel), and the Ottoman heritage is found in many other countries as well anyways, mostly in Balkans.
Tl;dr my point is, we have to decide whether we are looking at the parts of countries that are in Europe, or countries that are considered as European as whole, and apply the same to all countries.
2601:240:8480:51C3:C597:D9C7:BABA:7D66 (talk) 18:05, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points, I'd also like to add that Turkish Northern Cyprus is absent from the partially recognised territories list, while Cyprus which claims the area of the former is included. I know neither are in Europe, but it seems strange that the same area only counts as European under one regime's claim, but not the other's. 2A04:4A43:8DBF:F3BB:25B7:AB20:DA9A:C9C (talk) 19:56, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Turkey, France and Russia and their "parts in Europe" 

message: The second of the two shaded maps (the one showing density in England, Scotland, and Wales as distinct nations), is misleading because it clumps all of the 200+ countries together. Is there any way of breaking out the 400+ countries into their own shade? LeapUK (talk) 09:00, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaded maps