Talk:Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World

message: From March 2008 issue of Nintendo Power. Don't beleive me? Check the Link. It may be a forum, but you may have to scroll down to see the cover.AmericanAtl (talk) 00:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We know: this article has already been altered accordingly. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 02:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Scans Indicating a Possible NA Release

message: Ok so Collete has been added to the main site, and thus we should add her to the charater list, but so had some other characters that has not been confirmed playable, my question to you now is should we add the characters that are not playable.WanderingHero (talk) 20:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collete added to Official Site, Questionable Characters 

message: Either someone translated wrong, that is the acutal plot, or someone made it up or something... Because two things MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE: 1) in the most simplest of ways to say this, how can a city be massacred, namely Palmacosta, when it was already massacred by the Giant Kharlan Tree in the first game: Tales of Symphonia... and 2) how and why would Lloyd fight for teh Church of Martel, (which btw: shouldn't even exist anymore, which is ANOTEHR thing to ask, cuz it makes absolutely  no sense, Martel has been proved false and same with all the stupid MUMBO JUMBO Mithos made up in order to ressurect his sister), in which since the Church and Tetheálla are on the same side, why the heck would Lloyd fight on their side, isn't he from Sylvarant, or shud I say, he IS a Sylvarantan...
I bet someone just made that little bit up or something, cuz seriously, it makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOVER!!!!! And about the portraying Lloyd in a negative light thingy, well it's like the long hair, huge bulgy eyes thing, they always do that in ANIME, it's like a cliche to make old characters do things like this... Plus, don't the characters fight each other upon seeing your newly made character in Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology, how can you say fighting Rid in RM means Rid is evil, what if Lloyd nd Emil are sparring or what if, they just met, and they doln't know who they are, and they think each other means evil, what if Lloyd thinks Emil is evil?!?!?! Huh1?!?! Tell me that!!! Sheesh!!! Whoever wrote that, well it shud be editted big time...
So, now I got this straight, I hope someone sees this, the plot and that tidbit about Lloyd's negative light thingy should be editted... unless if someone gives me a logical explanation about this... NOW!!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.200.199.186 (talk) 22:24, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: God, your English is atrocious, whoever you are. Bokan (talk) 21:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Please calm down. Wikipedia is not a forum; talk pages should only be used for discussions on how to improve the articles they are associated with. The Story section is a translation of a plot summary found at gpara.com; it was not made up by this article's editors. As with all stories, plot details (and reasons for characters' actions) will be explained with time. As such, please keep your accusations off of this page. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 00:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not that the church attacked Palmacosta. There was a fight between the Church and the Vanguard and Palmacosta was destroyed in the crossfire. And I don't remember Zelos saying he wanted to control the Church at all...ever. Also, I would swear the Pope ran off, even after the sidequest where you had to rescue Hilda, but then again, I could be wrong about that one. Cutepresea (talk) 20:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WTH is with the plot!?

message: What happened to the trivia?!?!?!? What happened to it!?!?!?!?!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.200.216.157 (talk) 21:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WP:TRIVIA, trivia should be integrated into articles if at all possible. Please stop putting the trivia section back: Wikipedia's policy on the matter is clear. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 00:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Because, Destiny 2 was an actual sequel. This will be like ToP(TotW:)SL, and will most certainly not be a real sequel. -7th Pwnist-
Why does Destiny 2 get to be part of the main series but not the sequel to Symphonia? The nature of both games is the same. -- LordArcadio 20:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it was mentioned from conception that it's a spinoff. Destiny 2 isn't.--Claude 00:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Series 

message: The story section here seems to be lacking factual information. And looks as though it was ripped right out of a manual, If someone could come up with a factual summary possibly combining this with the history section, it would be great(djtjj 20:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As of this moment, very little is known about the game; everything that is known about it is in that section. The Story section will undoubtedly be expanded as more information becomes available. Patrician Vetinari 22:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making the story section a bit more factual 

message: I swapped the Youtube with the official.
:The official website exchanged the old Tokyo Game Show trailer with the new Jump Festa 2008 one. I renamed the external link as such. 
:Should the previous trailer be posted in some form as an external link? It could come from a gaming site or Youtube. Mizutori (talk) 12:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trailer 

message: 81.240.15.129 10:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undid latest vandalism edits 

message: Whoever took Lloyd picture down put it back because you did not discuss why.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedarkpp (talk • contribs) 02:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WOOT! Lloyd FTW!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.248.253.95 (talk) 17:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lloyd Picture 

message: Any sources on this?
168.103.63.134 15:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kuchinawa

message: Does anybody think it looks strangely like Rinoa's weapon on Final Fantasy 8?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marta192 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marta's Weapon?

message: "The Field Map won't be returning in this game. Instead, a point-and-click system using the Wii Remote will be used to navigate the world. The Field Map is also the same Field Map from Tales of Phantasia, except with the town names being those in Symphonia."
First it says there is no field map, then it says the field map is the same as Phantasia's. Can someone edit the game play section to make it more clear?--Drkirby (talk) 04:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Badly Written Section?

message: Someone translated the new story information from gpara.com but didn't source it. I added a reference to it but I think it should have been put off until the official site announced the information itself. It should be kept for now though.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.145.220.24 (talk) 23:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Story Information 

message: I was just wondering, should it be noted that Presea is 30 chronologically? It is in her Symphonia profile, but not in this.
Sam (talk) 12:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it would be wise to remove Presea's true age from her Symphonia profile, and only mention that she's 28 in her section of the article. The same would have to be done for Kratos, of course, but this would unify their sections with their profiles on official website. As for Dawn of the New World, there's no need to say that Presea is 28 unless it is mentioned in the new game. Since her true age hasn't merited a place on her profile at the official Dawn of the New World website, it shouldn't be put on this page yet. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 14:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The fact that she's 30 is already mentioned in her section of the article: putting it as her "Age" would merely be repetitive and redundant. Furthermore, since her chronological age has not merited a place on the official website, there's no reason to put it on this page yet. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 21:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is very obvious that you did not beat Symphonia because after you beat it in the final cut scene when (SPOILERS) Presea is at Alicia's grave she CLEARLY states that she is 28! So if you take 28 add 2 years... I believe that would be 30. Thedarkpp (talk) 02:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you've misunderstood my point: I am not disputing that Presea is really thirty years old. All I'm saying is that, since a description of her true age already makes up half of her section of the article, stating it twice would be both redundant and repetitive. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, ok. I see what you where saying and I know what you mean, but I still think it should say 14 and 30 because she is 30. Thedarkpp (talk) 04:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Under 'age' you would expect to be able to find her real age too. The 'age' part is the most relevant part. We should still put '30' under 'age'; the article just explains it in greater detail. By your logic, what is the point in putting her physical age at all, if you can read about it in the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.158.114 (talk) 14:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I vote it should be 14 physically; 30 chronologically because that is her age and there is no disputing that. Thedarkpp (talk) 18:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there's no point in having a vote: after all, Wikipedia is not a democracy. As such, votes should only be treated as a last resort, and even then they should not be considered binding. But back to the matter at hand. The official website (on which the Characters section of this article is directly based) does not consider Presea's chronological age to be worth stating in her "Age" line, so neither should we: after all, the part of this article that lists each character's age, weapon(s), and physical characteristics should only be a very brief overview. Until the game is actually released, we won't know if her age is a pertinent issue in the new game, so there's no need to mention in her "Age" section. Furthermore, as I've already said, doing so would be truly redundant. It is for these reasons that listing her chronological age would do nothing to improve the article. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 21:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what you are saying but the fact is she is 30! If under the age section you find something other then the age of that person it does not make sense. Even if it is explained about her being older it should still be listed under her age because she is 30! Thedarkpp (talk) 23:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right; we know that it is true. There is no reason not to put her chronological age there, because it wouldn't be redundant; it is a summarisation of the information below it. It doesn't matter what the site says. As I have said before: The first game is more canon than a website which has been set up primarily to provide information to people who haven't played the first. The only reason why her real age isn't listed on the website, is because it would overcomplicate things for people who haven't played Symphonia. Canonically, we know her true age is thirty, and so Presea's chronological age belongs in the 'Presea' section under 'age'. The reasons to include it outweight the reasons not to. We should vote on it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.158.114 (talk) 16:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The website is perfectly canon: remember, we're dealing with a spin-off sequel, so we don't know how relevant the events of the first game will be to Dawn of the New World's plot. After all, when the game was first conceived, no major characters from the original Tales of Symphonia were expected to return. Until the game itself is released, the information on the website needs to be treated as canon. As I've said several times, since Presea's section of the article is almost exclusively devoted to a discussion of her age, stating that she is 30 in multiple places would be perfectly redundant. As for the vote, according to both Meta-Wiki's guidelines and Jimbo Wales himself, voting should always be avoided if possible. Until now, we've been (unconstructively) arguing and repeating the same points: is there no way that we can compromise on the issue? Patrician Vetinari (talk) 23:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it will be impossible to compromise because me and the person with the IP address both agree on it being in her age. I do not know why it is so hard for you to understand that. A persons age should be in their age description and because she is thirty it should say so. Even though it is described about her being in an ageless state for 16 years she is very well aware of the fact the she is 30. And you talking about plot points has nothing to do with her age description and did help, maybe even hurt your argument(not trying to be rude). It is not going to hurt anybody to have the words physically and 30 chronologically in the description. Thedarkpp (talk) 01:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already given my reasons for opposing the change; I've stated them time and time again. This discussion should not be treated as a personal debate: we are, after all, only trying to find consensus. Unless we can resolve the issue with a compromise that reflects our consensus, however, nothing can be done to change the page. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 15:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And we have given our reasons for the change time and time again. Thedarkpp and I both agree: "It is not going to hurt anybody to have the words physically and 30 chronologically in the description." Exactly. The information is correct, and acts as a summary. It is benificial (admittedly and albeit, marginally) to have both. Two against one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.158.114 (talk) 18:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: You(Patrician) are starting to sound ridiculous if you cannot understand why we believe her age should be in her age. I really do not want this to turn into some kind of "change war." Even if it is talked about it should be shown. I can almost bet you that later on this will be brought up again if nothing happens and it will keep being talked about. I do not know why it is so hard for you to add 3 words to the article, it will not make the article worse and we will not be lying to people that look at the page. With just the 14 up it is lying because Presea is a special case in which she has two ages: physical and chronological. Thedarkpp (talk) 18:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I also find nothing wrong with it. I feel that the description only elaborates on the fact further, it's not necessarily redundant if that's the case. Cutepresea (talk) 18:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic; three of us can see the logic behind it. Three words. Three words which will summarise a point. I'm a pedant on a mission. The 'change war' has actually been on for a while; I've been changing the age from '14' to '14 physically, 30 chronologically' for weeks now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.158.114 (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was really no need to make this personal: doing so was contrary to both Wikiquette and Wikipedia's policies on dispute resolution. When you first began changing Presea's age, consensus was against you; now, I can see, it is against me. As such, I'll stop reverting the edit. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 00:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Geez, I never thought that I would care that much about Presea. Hopefully there are no hard feelings. Thedarkpp (talk) 01:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no hard feelings. Thank you. It's not that I care that much about Presea; I'm just pedantic by nature.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.158.114 (talk) 13:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Presea's age

message: I think the Protagonists line in characters section should be removed because we do not know who is and is not a protagonist. Thedarkpp (talk) 01:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is anybody going to say anything about this because if not I will remove it. Thedarkpp (talk) 04:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Protagonists"

message: Why?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.126.105.160 (talk) 16:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Catchphrases...

message: Where did this come from and why is their no citation to a claim like that? It's been debated for awhile if this game is part of the main series so it definitely needs citation for now. Until it is I moved the game back into the Main series. --74.132.94.122 (talk) 12:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you were going to move it, then you probably should've changed that line that says "Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World is a spin-off sequel" in this article, but the truth is Nintendo Power had a interview with a producer who said that the game is "somewhere between a spin off and a sequel." Someone could put up a link to a scan of that page or something as a source for that. Cutepresea (talk) 21:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spin Off

message: They need to be put in the characters section. Thedarkpp (talk) 19:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I'd do it, but my Japanese translation skills are terrible and I can only make out half of what the article on them said. Cutepresea (talk) 23:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The name Dex itself is a guess on our part, as the article we got it from only had it written in Japanese as dekusu (デクス) I do have a vague idea of what it's trying to say (although I need help with what it's saying in the second sentences of both Dex's and Alice's sections, as the wording in Dex's confuses me a little and I don't know all the characters in Alice's). I'm also not entirely sure how we should go about adding this information. Cutepresea (talk) 04:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I added them. If anybody sees any mistakes in the translation, please, feel free to correct them. Cutepresea (talk) 09:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alice and Dex

message: This should probably be in with the Gameplay section. Also, it appears as if someone translated from the official site using an online translator so it makes no sense whatsoever. 69.68.129.158 (talk) 08:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controls Section 

message: :Image:Alice 1.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Alice 1.jpg

message: Please, do not add anymore release dates until we have more info or confirmation of it's final release date. The only dates that have been fully confirmed is the Japanese and North American version only. Zeta26 10:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding Dates

message: it says Tenebrae is a male and aqua is a female, sure that being true by appearance but heres the cold hard facts that they are spirits just like summon spirits, back in ToS zelos was saying how hot celcius was but sheena told him that summon spirits were neither male nor female that they just took the form of male or female by choice and in other words if they can take form once that means they r not solid beings hence "spirits" thus they should be genderless or this should be noted since this may or may not be a valuable fact plus the info should be as accurate as possible
:You're mixing your skits together (she said the thing about Summon Spirits being genderless when talking to Lloyd about Maxwell), but that's probably true. I go for changing to the way it is on the official website and have their genders as "?", but that's just my opinion. Cutepresea (talk) 01:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree: listing Tenebrae as male and Aqua as female is not supported by any official evidence. As far as I can tell, it's pure speculation, so it should be removed. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 02:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I've changed the genders to "?" for both Tenebrae and Aqua, but I left pronouns such as "he" and "she" in the descriptions (although I probably shouldn't have). If anyone disagrees with the way it was done, feel free to change those to "it" or something of the sort. Cutepresea (talk) 04:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

text: That's also referred to as a gender identity. Some people prefer to use the term "gender" over "sex" (the English version of Tales of Symphonia did this itself in said skit and on the official website in the character descriptions) and is technically correct. Cutepresea (talk) 23:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ok there is a gender detail that should be added about the Centurion Spirit's 

message: Please, if someone reading this wants to change something, at least write the changes at the summary, use the show preview option, and don't just delete a lot of things because a word was wrong.
I highly recommend that the ones editing login before doing so, because we can't comunicate with the users to discuss about no understandable changes.
This is for all of us, so don't be so selfish and change things just because you don't like the way they're wrote  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrescapo (talk • contribs) 04:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing things 

message: The worlds were joined at the end of Symphonia, would this not mean the maps are now a mixture of both worlds? This was never a map seen during Symphonia so how can they be the same?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.147.148 (talk) 23:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait...the same as...what? The article says the same as the one in Tales of Phantasia (although if you look closely at the map in Dawn of the New Wolrd, it's really not exactly the same). Cutepresea (talk) 04:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When you compare the Phantasia map with Symphonia's, you can clearly see that each area from both Sylvarant and Tethe'alla is present in this new world. Well, of course, it would have been done the other way around, what with Tales of Symphonia being a prequel and all... 82.25.9.85 (talk) 12:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They're similar...they're just not identical...maybe an edit with better wording is in order here? Cutepresea (talk) 22:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The map being the same? 

message: This page has turned out more about the characters than the game, I dont see this sort of character listing on any of the other tales of games pages, as far as im concerned they should either be on the characters profiles or not at all, not on this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.147.148 (talk) 20:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's much point in creating a "List of characters in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World" page at this point in time, if only because doing so would turn this article into a stub. When the game has been released, however, we should certainly create a separate page for the game's characters. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 22:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this, a character encylopedia? 

message: Not sure who nominated it for speedy deletion, since it says it was tagged on the 10th and I'm the only one who's made an edit so far, but I'd hardly say that it needs to go. JDub90 (talk) 15:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was actually never up for speedy deletion. What you removed was a template stating the article was about a unreleased game and that the content may changed substantially when more info is available. This has been up for some time. I have readded it. Finally, actualy speddy deletion templates are larger and pink in colour. --76.69.164.71 (talk) 03:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speedy Deletion 

message: Theres a lot of non-free media on this article. Its still only start-class, so I'll let it slide. However, as the game comes closer to the release date most of those images of each character needs to be deleted. A development and reception section needs to be created, and the character section needs to be drastically shortened. But for now, I guess its fine. --24.6.103.162 (talk) 17:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh...that was me. I can't believe it...2nd time I forgot to sign in in a week... Ah, and just to make it clear, the gameplay pictures and the one on the really top are great images. They should stay. And a boxart should perhaps be instilled as soon as possible.--haha169 (talk) 17:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well... all the images have the rationale, and i like how it looks but you have your points, for now let's leave that the way it is, there are no problems.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrescapo (talk • contribs) 23:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Multiple websites (IGN, 1UP, Gamespot) talk about the battle control schemes - motion controls, what each button does, etc. I was wondering whether this is something that should be added to the article or not? And if so, where - a new subheading? It doesn't seem like appropriate Wikipedia material, but it is information one way or another. Mizutori (talk) 23:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To be perfectly honest, I don't think that it's necessary to list what each button does: this is an encyclopaedia article, not a FAQ. If anything, this page is too FAQ-ish as it is. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 03:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controls Section 

message: That just sounds wrong. But it seems the article keeps switching back and forth between the two descriptions. Which is it? 24.18.240.159 (talk) 00:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo Power had an interview where they said it was somewhere between a spin-off and a sequel, but more recent interviews tend to just say "spin-off." When I changed it to "spin-off" and added a source, I was hoping that would end it, but I guess not...Cutepresea (talk) 00:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Something needs to be figured out unless someone wants to cause a revert war. If this can't be resolved in a civil manner I'd hate to see what might end up happening. The way I see it a spin-off title can't be a direct sequel, so it's pointless to assume otherwise.--98.223.40.250 (talk) 20:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't change the sentence in question until we've reached a consensus. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with Cutepresea: regardless of the game's original status, it seems to have become more of a spin-off than a sequel. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 22:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  spin-off sequel? 

message: According to Nintendo Power, the release date has been bumped up to some time during Winter. I can't get the link to the scan, but is it okay to edit that in? Eternum123 (talk) 14:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My cited release date got reverted, but 1up.com currently has it listed as October 15th. --Remy Suen (talk) 02:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That contradicts Nintendo's release for winter.  Last I checked October was in the fall. The winter release is also cited with scan from Nintendo Power. 1up also said that it was a direct sequel when it's been said that this is a spin-off sequel.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.231.135 (talk) 06:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When did that Nintendo Power issue come out though? --Remy Suen (talk) 12:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This month. --76.71.209.75 (talk) 02:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification. That's fair as that would put it more recent than 1up.com's April article. I wasn't sure when the issue came out so I figured it was older than April. Please try to use a {{tl|Citation} in the future when referencing magazines so other editors can verify the information. --Remy Suen (talk) 13:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a sentence after the one about the Winter release date saying that Gameinformer says September. I think it should be removed, but what does everyone else think about it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.231.135 (talk) 08:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winter release date? 

message: Personally i dont think lloyd will be a permenant antagonist
i mean seirousally
ti make the protagonist of almost the ENTIRE SERIES a bad guy? its assanine
it is certain that he will be like Kratos just a temporary antagonist.
possibly the pope or somone higher will be the main antagonist  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.55.72.253 (talk) 02:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, we won't know that for sure until the game gets released (although judging from how Tales games usually are...), and I'm happy you refrained from adding that in the article itself, since it's what you think. Cutepresea (talk) 04:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When did Lloyd become the protagonist of "almost the ENTIRE [Tales] SERIES"? 68.113.220.245 (talk) 16:49, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lloyd the Antagonist 

message: It is now classified as a mothership title. http://www.twintales.com/angeltears/tos2/tos2_mothership.jpg Thedarkpp (talk) 18:05, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this means that the game is no longer a "spin-off sequel;" it's a full sequel in its own right. Thanks for pointing this out! Patrician Vetinari (talk) 19:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is still a spin-off sequel it is just classified as a mothership title now. 71.109.128.29 (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, keep talking all you'd like, kid. I guess Tales of Destiny 2 must have been a spinoff sequel too, seeing as the battle system was also different from the original. 68.113.220.245 (talk) 00:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The creators call it a spin-off...it's just a spin-off in the main series I guess. Though, that's more than just a little confusing. Cutepresea (talk) 01:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mothership

message: I strongly feel that we should keep this page as spoiler-free as possible; I will admit, however, that the removal of major spoilers would prevent the article from being as comprehensive as it could be. As such, I suggest that we turn the Characters section of the Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World page into its own article. That way, we could keep the Dawn of the New World article as a relatively spoiler-free overview of the game and its mechanics, whereas the soon-to-be-created List of characters in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World page  would consist of an encyclopaedic, in-depth biography of the game's main cast. Your thoughts? Patrician Vetinari (talk) 00:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that the characters should also be moved off to its own article. We still do need an overview of the main characters on the main article though of course. --Remy Suen (talk) 00:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and split the Characters' section off into its own article. --Remy Suen (talk) 21:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The information would still exist, it would just be on a different page. A similar type of article split occurred at the Tales of Symphonia page: by creating a list of Symphonia's main characters, Wiki-editors were able to streamline the game's main article. Ultimately, the main article become a summary of Symphonia's plot and gameplay points in an out-of-universe manner, whereas the Characters page became an in-depth, nearly-comprehensive roster of the game's cast. Splitting the article in two also prevented the Tales of Symphonia page from becoming unnecessarily long. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers and the Article Split 

message: What is the reception for this game in terms of reviews and launch sales.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.88.239 (talk) 00:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it hasn't even been a week, sales information might be non-existent. Famitsu gave it a 31 though I haven't really found a proper citation for it. --Remy Suen (talk) 00:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: Um...can we add that Daigo Okumura did the character designs (for the new characters)? I believe it used to be up on here, but must have gotten taken down for some odd reason or another, and that's why I'm asking whether we should put it back up. Cutepresea (talk) 20:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please put it back in the article with an appropriate citation. --Remy Suen (talk) 00:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's mostly the problem, other than the game's credits themselves, all I have is page 42 of volume 226 of Nintendo Power, and I have no idea how I could use that as a citation. Cutepresea (talk) 15:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pick an appropriate citation from Wikipedia:Citation templates or just write it in yourself with . The style of the citation can be corrected later but providing the information with some sort of citation is better than nothing. --Remy Suen (talk) 16:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That just confused me and made my head hurt. Maybe someone else can do it. 67.232.242.225 (talk) 17:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the 'Setting' section, you can see how the tenth citation cites Nintendo Power, you can just follow a similar format. --Remy Suen (talk) 19:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, thanks. Now I just need to determine where to put it...Cutepresea (talk) 20:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ideally, there needs to be a new 'Development' section in the article to describe who worked on the game and the history of its development. This information would likely go there. --Remy Suen (talk) 21:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've incorporated it into the infobox for now. --Remy Suen (talk) 22:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Designer 

message: I noticed that someone has listed Raine and Lloyd as having new actors and it was reverted with the following reason:
"The only new VA is Raine. It doesn't matter ifthe VA in this game wasn't the same in Symphonia. It's been used in both Soul Calibur Legends and RM. It's not new."
I noticed someone added Lloyd again. Since his voice isn't the same as it was in the original ToS, this will probably be edited back and forth. I changed the line to be more descriptive in hopes of preventing this. After looking at the section. Do we even need this paragraph at all?
Dawn of the New World takes place two years after the events of Tales of Symphonia.
 
This is plot, nothing to do with characters.
The protagonist is named Emil, and nearly all of the main characters from the original Symphonia return:[10] only Kratos, who acts as the game's narrator, does not return in a playable capacity.
This information is on the characters page with the exception of Kratos. Kratos should be added to the returning characters page as making a cameo appearance. The rest is all about voice actors which should be covered under each character's individual profile on the characters page.
Does anyone have an objection on removing the paragraph under the Characters section?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.254.128.141 (talk) 14:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current wording works for now regarding the voices of Lloyd and Raine. Later assuming all the VA's a channged it would probabally be better to say that none of the actors from the original game reprised their roles. --76.66.180.236 (talk) 18:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm not mistaken, though, isn't Raine's the same one from Radiant Mythology? 67.232.245.35 (talk) 23:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

text: If that's the case, that's probably why people keep going back and forth, because they're just not the ones from ToS. Maybe it would be better to state, "Lloyd and Raine retain their voice actors from Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology instead of keeping the ones used in Tales of Symphonia" or something along those lines (definitely worded better than that, because that wasn't that great). 67.232.245.35 (talk) 23:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice Actors 

message: As far as Menville and Wahlgren, the info isn't really just an "oops" mistake, it's likely to be flat-out lying. It's certain that Kari Wahgren won't be returning, and likely that Scott Menville won't be returning. I'm not sure why it's edited with inaccurate info, but the game footage is enough evidence to suggest that neither will be voicing in the game. However, if people can't stop bickering and editing, maybe it should just be said that "it's disputed whether [so-and so] or [so and so] will voice [character] in the final English version of the game."
--AhMyEyes (talk) 21:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was simple vanadlism by one user that was quickly reverted. --76.66.187.126 (talk) 02:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone needs to cite the voice actors too. I don't see anywhere where Genis, Collete have their voice actors confirmed. Dragonsblast (talk) 05:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Same goes for Presea as well  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.229.228 (talk) 06:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't remember Aqua having hers revealed yet, either...I'll remove those until we actually have proof of who voices them. 67.232.241.4 (talk) 06:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to remove Colette's VA as returning and Genis as having a new VA over on the character page until someone can provide proof of both. I've just spent the past hour and a half searching, and have turned up nothing regarding either.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.72.63 (talk) 21:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  We will continue vandalizing this section until we got our special release. You cannot stop us. We are many, we are one. 66.203.51.201 (talk) 13:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Colette's VA has been confirmed to be Heather Hogan.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.229.228 (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Source?Mr T (Based) (talk) 16:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge problems with the voice actors section. 

message: Uh, are we suppose to change the box art to English once it comes out, or do we keep it Japanese? If we're suppose to change it to English... then here. Dragonsblast (talk) 06:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I've gone ahead and uploaded it, thanks for the heads up. Aoimusha (talk) 12:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Boxart 

message: I'm kinda new to wikipedia editing, so I dunno if I'm supposed to add this to the discussion page, but I changed the release date for North America from November 1st to November 11th. When I checked Gamespot, that was the listed release date, and it's the same day Amazon and Gamestop will be shipping Pre-Orders. If it's wrong, tell me and I'll change it back.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.213.183 (talk) 19:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date 

message: 201.224.134.99 bought up an interesting picture. . What should be done? Dragonsblast (talk) 03:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's been confirmed in the latest trailer that the link to gamestop is the correct Americain box.Dragonsblast (talk) 06:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Alright, I've gone ahead and put up the new cover, thanks for pointing that out. Aoimusha (talk) 09:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  English boxart, not official? 

message: I put in the Voice Cast section that the English Skits will be voiced.
I put in a citation for it was well.
I hope it's okay.
I got the info from ign.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/909/909872p1.html
69.136.140.228 (talk) 07:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Voiced Skits 

message: I added some info on the top of the page about the topic of releasing the game in Europe.
Of course I added a citation to back it up.
69.136.140.228 (talk) 08:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dawn of the New World in Europe? 

message: I added citations in the Backgrounds section on the three possible endings.
By the way, for the record, this is user IP 69.136.140.228 on a different computer.
208.39.169.124 (talk) 17:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. I wonder, have you considered creating an account for yourself on wikipedia? --Oscarthecat (talk) 17:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

text: OK, shame you're just a lowly anon IP address then.  Your citations look to have been removed in this edit for what it's worth. --Oscarthecat (talk) 07:56, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

text: There's a decent essay about why YouTube isn't a reliable source at Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples#Are_IRC.2C_MySpace.2C_and_YouTube_reliable_sources.3F if you want to take a look.  Regards, --Oscarthecat (talk) 10:18, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I citated the backgrounds section 

message: 69.136.140.228 here.
I decided to make an account.
Anyway, I added in the presentation section that the VOs in Dawn of the New World will be more abundant in towns and dungeons, than in the original Symphonia.DarkenedSkye (talk) 06:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Voice Acting 

message: The EU release date has been confirmed as November 28th. http://www.vgreleases.com/wii/ReleaseDate-108593.aspx
DarkenedSkye (talk) 08:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rejoice European residents 

message: For the control shortcuts, what did the original version have for artes shortcuts?DragonZero (talk) 07:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Control shortcuts 

message: When should the full plot be given?DragonZero (talk) 23:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To the best of my knowledge, there's no precedent for giving a full plot summary in any Tales game's Wikipedia article: the pages for Tales of Vesperia, Tales of the Abyss, and even Tales of Symphonia only contain vague overviews of their respective games' plots. As such, I see no need to add a detailed plot summary for Dawn of the New World. At any rate, the List of characters in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World page goes into the plot in some depth; adding that information here would be repetitive and unnecessary. Patrician Vetinari (talk) 02:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: I don't think that's Tara Strong, it sounds like Kate Higgins is voicing her in Dawn of the New World. Can anyone confirm Strong really is voicing Presea again? Bokan (talk) 22:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: None of the voices have been confirmed, I'm not sure where people have the information either, though I never tried to search for it. Also Kate Higgins doesn't sound like Presea I'm retty sure.DragonZero (talk) 22:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

text: If you say so. I wish English actors would get their names put down for these things. It's sort of annoying having to figure out everyone's voice. Bokan (talk) 18:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's non-union, so they don't get their names on the credits. I'm pretty sure of that anyways.DragonZero (talk) 22:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm nearly positive it's actually Janice Kawaye, who also plays Alice.  I'd e-mail her to find out for myself, but I can't find any relevant contact information...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberlink420 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Presea's U.S. voice

message: Is the EU release date sourced? It says the 6th of February, but I checked [www.amazon.co.uk] and [www.gameplay.co.uk] and neither of them even list the game as a pre-order. Usualy games are listed a few months before the release date, but there is only one month left until the apparent release date and there is still nothing... I am adding the citation needed tag to this since I cannot find it anywhere. Baina90 (talk) 20:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also searched and I can't find anything about a European release date. I removed it, but I welcome anyone else to add a release date back in when such a date becomes available. Bovineboy2008 (talk) 21:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: EU Release Date

message: I will be removing them as they are mentioned here already.DragonZero (talk) 23:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice Cast 

message: Our local game store told us this tile was discontinued for the Wii, does anyone have any info on this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.130.33 (talk) 19:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discontinued? 

message: Some time ago, the EU release date was 13 November in the article. However, there was no source to back this up. The official page on Namco Bandai Partners listed November 2009, so I changed the page accordingly.
Then two anonymous users added the 13 November date again, and broke the reference.
In the meantime, play.com and a French magazine listed the date as 13 November. So I assume this has to be the date, but there is no reliable online source that can verify this. I just saw the official game page have a release date that is zeroed out.
I'm going to put November 2009 back for now, but how do we resolve this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BenoitRen (talk • contribs) 19:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty sure you can find the information of the game on amazon.(region). Amazon.de Tales of Symphonia. Which region would that be? DragonZero (talk · contribs) 22:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU release date: 13 November? 

message: The 1UP article of Top 5 Mist Irritating RPG protagonists no longer exists, but here is an archived link to it: https://web.archive.org/web/20090122044808/http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3172038
I would edit it into there if I knew how to go about adding this sort of thing. 2001:5B0:24FF:CF0:0:0:0:33 (talk) 23:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  1UP Article No Longer Exists 

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