Talk:Anfield (suburb)

message: This article needs moving from "Anfield, Liverpool" to "Anfield, Merseyside" to follow naming conventions. Jza84 14:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: consensus for a move. There was a general consensus for a move here, and I think the policy arguments (particularly precision) back it up, but I'm not quite sure the current title Anfield (suburb) has consensus in itself. In these situations, we move to the best outcome, and then if anyone wants to propose a new RM, they are free to do so immediately. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:11, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Anfield, Liverpool →  – Anfield the stadium is called "Anfield" and is located in Liverpool the current title thus fails WP:PRECISION. See the similar discussion at Talk:Finsbury Park (area)#Requested move 5 September 2018 and others at User:Crouch, Swale/Local disambiguation. "Anfield, Liverpool" should then be redirected to the stadium its self similar to the others. While in the United States (and up to a point in Australia and Canada) settlements often have higher level units put after a comma in difference to WP:COMMONNAME this isn't the case in England. I'm not sure if "district", "area" or "suburb" is best but Talk:Perth Airport (suburb)#Requested move 11 April 2019 used suburb and there is also Anfield (ward) but that's really just a sub topic of the suburb. Crouch, Swale (talk)  17:52, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Locally, no doubt. Even the club calls it "Anfield Stadium" sometimes: "Anfield Forever is a unique landscaped area which forms part of the walkway along 96 Avenue, next to the Main Stand at Anfield Stadium.", as does the stadium's own website. So do most travel sites. "No trip to the city is complete without a visit to Anfield Stadium, home of Liverpool Football Club."  Johnbod (talk) 16:13, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly not true, see links above. Not all our readers know anything about football, believe it or not. Johnbod (talk) 14:58, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure they don't, but that's alright - we have a guideline to cover that scenario, at WP:BUTIDONTKNOWABOUTIT... It tells us that's not really a consideration. Primary-topic status is assessed by common usage and/or long-term significance, and the stadium has both. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 16:00, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're badly misreading what that section is saying - it begins "Perhaps the most commonly rejected criterion is that the primary topic should only belong to what "first comes to mind"".  But this nom is about the district, not the stadium, which people keep trying to talk about; I hope the closer will ignore comments that don't address the actual issue here. Anfield (suburb) is just much worse than the current name. Johnbod (talk) 16:20, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, well let's leave all the other issues aside then, and get down to the fundamental issue: "Anfield" is a suburb in Liverpool. "Anfield" is also a stadium in Liverpool. Thus "Anfield, Liverpool" could refer to either entity. Much like "Finsbury Park" might refer to a park in London, or it might refer to an area of London, and the area page was therefore moved from Finsbury Park, London to Finsbury Park (area). The latter title may not be as nice-looking, but it's unambiguous. So on what basis are you saying we should leave this article where it is? Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the stadium is not a place, it would never be at Name, Area. The Finsbury Park move was a mistake. --В²C ☎ 00:13, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  The stadium is a place just like Town Ground, Heanor and even if it would not be titled "Name, Area" it still fails WP:PRECISION. And look what's at Hyde Park, London is it an area? click that link and see. In any case Stanley Park, Liverpool, Paradise Street, Liverpool, Concert Square, Liverpool and Everyman Theatre, Liverpool aren't areas just like other places that are disambiguated per WP:UKPLACE. WP:PLACEDAB says "Generic parenthetical disambiguating tags as used for most Wikipedia articles are used only occasionally for geographic names (as in Wolin (town), where no regional tag would be sufficient to distinguish the town from the island of Wolin)". Since you have stated that the stadium in Liverpool is primary for the base name we need to disambiguate from it. "Anfield, Liverpool" isn't the name of the suburb anymore than it is of the stadium, unlike in the US, England only uses commas to disambiguate. Crouch, Swale (talk)  17:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

text: Although I probably agree that a move should take place, Crouch, as the term is indeed imprecise, I do dispute the last part regarding commas. Many non-places currently are currently Disambiguated with clmmas, but that practice is contrary to WP:DAB, which requires paranthetical disambiguation, except for place names. Stadia, statues, fixed infrastructure etc, are not places, and should follow the normal naming rules. When we had an RFC on UK stations for example, there was a strong consensus to make them Sutton railway station (London) and so on. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 08:15, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand we have differing views on disambiguation for non-settlements but at least we both agree that, even if we don't use commas for other types of places that the current title is still ambiguous and needs to be changed. WP:UKPLACE though does make reference to islands such as Jura, Scotland being disambiguated this way and there was discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scotland/Archive 12#More cleanup required. Although WP:PLACEDAB says "With natural features, the tag normally appears in parentheses, as in Eagle River (Colorado)" but it then says "Specific pre-existing national conventions may take precedence though.". Crouch, Swale (talk)  08:32, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but there is no reason or advantage for such a national convention in the case of English geographical features. It doesn't particularly match real-life usage in the country, no more so than US topics, anyway. It's just a poorly thought-through anomaly, and one that should be fixed for consistency with other areas of the Wiki, only that I haven't got around to fighting the vested interests promoting it yet... All that said, you're quite right about the fact that this is ambiguous, though... we should never be using the quirks of Wikipedia naming conventions as a means of disambiguating topics... readers will not be aware that "Finsbury Park, London" can't mean the park because we don't name articles that way. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 09:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
=== Post-close comment ===
* Bad move. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:53, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  What on earth is this?! Leave alone. Too many fancy spins these days. Leave as Anfield with a sub line disambig for others. Babydoll9799 (talk) 10:19, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Not being a regular on here, I think whoever mooted for this change were completely wrong. What is the arguement that the "previous title" was inappropriate? This is Anfield (district) it's not a suburb either it's inner city. Not the point, the area was still correct as Anfield. Any confusion over the stadium should be stated in a disambig. I read some comments and I'd agree no one calls Anfield the ground 'Anfield Stadium' no one calls Anfield the district 'Anfield suburb' either! There's too much jargon and business terminology going on in to these articles right now. Babydoll9799 (talk) 13:22, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 10 June 2019 

message: * Bad move. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:53, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  What on earth is this?! Leave alone. Too many fancy spins these days. Leave as Anfield with a sub line disambig for others. Babydoll9799 (talk) 10:19, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Not being a regular on here, I think whoever mooted for this change were completely wrong. What is the arguement that the "previous title" was inappropriate? This is Anfield (district) it's not a suburb either it's inner city. Not the point, the area was still correct as Anfield. Any confusion over the stadium should be stated in a disambig. I read some comments and I'd agree no one calls Anfield the ground 'Anfield Stadium' no one calls Anfield the district 'Anfield suburb' either! There's too much jargon and business terminology going on in to these articles right now. Babydoll9799 (talk) 13:22, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-close comment 

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Anfield (Liverpool suburb) can be discussed separately. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:14, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Anfield (suburb) →  – According to the above requested move, "if anyone wants to propose a new RM, they are free to do so immediately". The name needs to be changed to follow naming conventions. 90.255.15.152 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: And the current name does follow naming conventions? I don't think so. Johnbod (talk) 02:55, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 14 June 2023