Talk:Persian leopard

message: What is the correct name? Is it Panthera pardus ciscaucasica, as the article currently says, but I know it to refer to Caucasian Leopard, or is it Panthera pardus saxicolor, as it says on Commons and other sites? -SuperJew (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific name 

message: Fewer than 5? Guys are you kidding? The species must be extinct on the specified countries.--92.45.207.50 (talk) 00:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The numbers 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Due to the fact which persian leopard is native to iran and bigets number of leopards exist in iran more than 90 percent of leopardsand name is persian whay name of iran is not mentioned in the introduction textً  and comtries like iraqor turkey or caucasia which has non or fwer than 10 leoprad mentioned as hNit of this leopard i think this text is anti iranian  Bahmanrajabiun (talk) 19:09, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead was not intended to be anti-Iranian, but Iran was considered as part of the Caucasus, whereas the other countries are not. Since every country of occurrence is listed in separate sections, I deleted country names in lead. Hope this soothes your feelings. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 19:44, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian leopard 

message: Whay ? name of turkey is every where in this page? while turkey disent have even one laopard? And IRAN as the majir country habitat if this laopard bearly mentioned?
I think this text is written by pan turkust groups. Bahmanrajabiun (talk) 11:01, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: No, a leopard was killed there recently, and I kept that information down there, in the section about Turkey. Leo1pard (talk) 05:35, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  nationalism 

message: Leo1pard (talk) 05:35, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page views 

message: See this. Leo1pard (talk) 05:35, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why I merged ''[[Balochistan leopard]]'' into ''Persian leopard'' 

message: :::::::::: Thanks for quick reply. Regardless of what happens with these articles do you know if there is any published info on co-operation between Iran, Iraq and Turkey on the conservation of the subspecies? Or indeed conservation problems due to non-cooperation?Chidgk1 (talk) 19:54, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are welcome. Re co-operation : not that I know of. Only of research going on in Iran and Azerbaijan at the mo. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 20:04, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  co-operation 

message: Hey  I had a look again at our discussion during 2019. Seems our consensus was to postpone a (final) decision. In view of the backs and forths in the last couple of days in the ledes of both pages, it's perhaps time to resume the discussion. What do you think? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: A brief : Since last year, Iranian scientists kept on using the name Persian leopard in combination with saxicolor. Some authors referred to Persian leopard and Iranian leopard in combo with tulliana. Turkish scientists used tulliana consistently with Anatolian leopard. So the naming scenario is as muddled as it was more than a year ago. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

text: You guys know more than me. Do whatever is best for promoting conservation of the beasts. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   Hello again. Since I found Sarı et al I have been wondering about this again. Would it be best to first sort it out in Wikispecies? Is P. p. saxicolor now a junior synonym of  P. p. tulliana and if so should it be a redirect? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:36, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad that you are beginning to change your mind (?). Yes, since revision of felid taxonomy in 2017, Anatolian and Persian leopards are considered the same subspecies, after several people did not find any differences in morphology of museum specimens from Turkey and Iran. So I still think, it would make a lot of sense to merge these 2 pages. The question is only, under which common name – Anatolian or Persian leopard? A solution, at least temporarily, may be to use the Latin name as page title? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

text: And again yes : both saxicolor and ciscaucasica are junior syns of tulliana. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support merging them both under the Latin name. Neither population on its own seems particularly notable, and the Latin name would avoid any region-related controversy. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes good idea to merge under the Latin name. Although saxicolor is now a junior synonym I think "Persian" can be mentioned first in the text as that population is probably larger. So hopefully both Turkish and Iranian nationalists will not whinge too much. I am happy to formally propose and do the merge on Wikipedia. But I don't have any experience with Wikispecies. Unless one of you already know what to do there I will read up on that first before coming back to merge here if there is consensus. Chidgk1 (talk) 19:25, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We may anyway first have to ask an admin to free up the redirect under the Latin name, once the merging is  is consensus. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 20:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 2