Talk:The Pilgrim's Regress

message: Should be more on the "Landlord"... AnonMoos 15:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fiction --> prose fiction: Fixed. Bigturtle (talk) 16:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Miscellaneous

message: The article calls the Pilgrim's Regress a "revision" of Pilgrim's Progress. I don't think Lewis would have called it that; he seems to be very opposed to revisionism. The regress is more of a "response" or tribute, as "The Great Divorce" is on the Divine Comedy
:I agree that revision is not the best word. To say it was modeled on The Pilgrim's Progress might be better.  Lewis used it (The Pilgrims Progress) as a literary model. He also says in the preface to the third edition that the reader must not assume everything in it is autobiographical, and that he was attempting to generalise, not tell people about his own life, but describe an intellectual and spiritual journey he thought others might have travelled as well as him (perhaps because of shared influences from literature and place). He thought there were more that had travelled on the intellectual side along the same path as he had. According to William Griffin (in the quote below) Lewis opted for it as a model over several other dramas and poems, such as Everyman (a 15th Century Dutch play), The Dream of the Rood (an Old English Poem), The Vision of William concerning Piers the Plowman (an allegorical poem) by William Langland.
:Lewis also described it to his publisher J.M. Dent as "a kind of Bunyan up to date."
:"He had tried to write it in prose a few years before, he had tried it in verse a few months before; he wanted to try again to record his conversion from atheism to Christianity in some literary way.  His passage had indeed been pilgrimage, albeit an interior one, and pilgrimage literature was no stranger to him....Pilgrimage was indeed the motif Lewis was looking for, but a dramatic model was of no use to him...There was also The Pilgrim's Progress, a prose allegory published in 1678. The dream-vision would be a far better model than drama; it would allow for the many use of allegory. Lewis could move backward and forward in time without respect to causality. He could fabricate the incidents of the allegory in such a way that they had one meaning for the characters and an additional meaning, perhaps several meanings, for the reader. What was philosophically complex in his own pilgrimage, therefore, Lewis felt he could make ridiculously simple and not a little interesting." 
:"Personified and prancing about allegories like Piers Plowman and The Pilgrim's Progress...were characters like Death and Good Deeds, abstractions of a sort he was sure he could use in his own work...If Langland could invent Lady Holychurch to stand for Christianity, then he could create Mother Kirk...
:"The central character of an allegory was usually the author himself and, as that author fervently hoped, a multitude of readers would identify themselves with that character...Bunyan was Christian as he set out on the sort of journey all puritans could understand. And Lewis was John, the twentieth-century pilgrim who would be drawn inexorably towards the island and mountain of his desires. In a sense, he began his work where Bunyan left off. Christian had to face every temptation the 17th century had to offer; John, setting out from Puritania, met, first of all, the 18th Century in the character of Mr Enlightenment; in the next 72 chapters he would meet personifications of every philosophical, literary, and political movement from that time right down to the 1930s. (William Griffin - The Authentic Voice)"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.22.146 (talk) 22:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Revision" of Bunyan? 

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message: This seems like original research, and / or incorrect interpretation and should be removed if a citation is not provided. It may have been more a difficult association to articulate given the varied literary influences Lewis was receptive to. Lewis credited the Nordic Myths with a giving him a sense of "Northerness", not nothingness (nihilism)! He didn't associate Nazism with Nordic culture, he recognised that Nazism (for its own political ends) sometimes attempted to draw on Nordic Culture, and use figures from Nordic Mythology, a gimmick Lewis very much disliked.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.22.146 (talk) 15:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nordic Viking Culture sentence 

message: What about a full list of the figures John meets on his journey? I have edited the article to mention a few.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.22.146 (talk) 00:16, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A full list of the figures John meets?