Talk:PlayStation 3 system software

message: As an owner of both Japanese PS3 (CECHA00) and UK PS3 (CECHC03), I understand that I get a menu  called Edy under "Settings" in Japanese PS3 that does not exist in my UK PS3. Can we add that feature along features exclusive to each region to the article? I can't remember when Edy was released, but I think it was shortly after PS3 release, before European release. I'll try to find a source if this proporsal is approved w_tanoto (talk) 12:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: AV Watch article (Japanese) The Seventh Taylor (talk) 05:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exclusive Features (Japanese) 

message: (I think I did it right) I have put a bot-block on SineBot for this article, this is because most of this talk is about the future updates and nobody is really discussing the article, due to the fact that the formatting, etc, is pretty much perfected. however obviously, please ensure that you sign discussions. ;)
hope everyone is ok that I've done this. if not, then feel free to revert.Chocobogamer (talk) 00:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Signing on this article talk page

message: I took the liberty of changing the date. It is not based on your local time on Japanese release (or any region which release it first), but should be the official time stated at the website. So far American version hasn't come out. I expect it will be dated 18 June as well when it is.
Japanese and European version are available, and both are dated 18 June w_tanoto (talk) 11:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: should we add this to the article just like PSP? we can then add "initial japanese/na release" w_tanoto (talk) 13:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firmware 1.00 

message: This article contains some wrong facts about the changes in updates:
"New page added to profile of users under [Players Met] which shows the last game played with that user." This came in 2.40.
"You can now turn off the PlayStation 3 system from the XMB screen using the [Turn Off System] option." This feature had been implemented for a long while, its not new in 2.40. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.32.96.113 (talk • contribs) 
: I agree with the first one, but the second one is incorrect. XMB [Turn Off System] located under Users is a new option in 2.40. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.82.165.163 (talk • contribs) 
:: [Players Met] was in 2.40, but can we get a reliable source to back this up? I suspect that you can;t cite your own system, after all... -- Ratarsed (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong information 

message: I am still surprised no one has mentioned about the DivX logo fading in and out in the playback of DivX videos on the PS3. I would post it, but there is no source on the internet to back it up and it would be deemed "original research". And this condition is not with that the videos have it encoded into the file, even if you restart the video, the logo pops up again. It also fades out if you pause in the middle of it appearing, making this part of the System Software, not part of the encoded video. --Jack Zhang (talk) 19:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really a notable feature. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 11:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: DivX logo during playback of Divx (not XviD) content

message: === 2.40's withdrawal ===
Please post information here until verified by Sony. 
:The main rumour so far is that it isn't downloading to the console correctly. However the version from the PS website http://duk01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/image/uk/2008_0702_96e9def601672c5abcbb4604bb2346f1/PS3UPDAT.PUP has been withdrawn to (which of course can be verified that it downloaded correctly), which means it could be something more serious. Obviously I'm worried coz I got it literally moments before its withdrawal. I'd like to know the problem and its effect. chocobogamerLOOK AT WHAT I DID 23:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't add this link as reference as it is blog, and engadget record is not good as a good source. But apparently some of us experienced bricking (not me). If someone can find similar sourcew_tanoto (talk) 23:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: apparently holding down the power button till it beeps works as well. Sony need to rush out a 2.41 which is just 2.36 retitled until its perfected rather than trying to fix this before having a stable version. It was bound to happen really, XMB was promised at launch... chocobogamerLOOK AT WHAT I DID 23:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, I've heard about removing PS3 hard drive and reinstall it solution. but I also heard bricking. Still need to find a good sourcew_tanoto (talk) 23:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I seem to remember seeing it when I went to install 2.41 (and as I had 2.40, I believe it to be a feature introduced in 2.40, as I'd have been running 2.40 at the point it prompted me.); Can't find a reliable source either way, though -- ratarsed (talk) 20:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: . Thanks. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 08:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Now it's out, but there's something new you can activate under System Settings for DivX VOD. I don't know what it's for, and it isn't listed on the wiki yet. Anyone want to add it? --71.241.70.96 (talk) 04:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

text: DivX VOD is code must be used with your DivX player. Open DivX player on a PC. Go to Tools>Device Manager>Register Device and you have to select Sony as the brand. And you have to input the code that the PS3 says when you go to System Settings>DivX VOD. When all is done, you download a video that you put on a USB device. Play it on the PS3, and it should register the PS3.Ffgamera (talk) 08:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it worth mentioning that Firmware 2.50 pauses videos if you press the PS button now? Rather than still play the video? Ffgamera (talk) 02:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I noticed that myself. I wondered if it was a glitch or something new they did. Can anyone find a refrence? --Keithkesslerexp (talk) 04:30, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find anyway thing from an offical source that's in an article I'm looking but seems common Altman Be Praised (talk) 21:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the PS button video pausing is intentional, due to the fact that it has been there for the past three system updates. Ffgamera (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The PS button thing is a "feature" (albeit a stupid one) introduced with 2.50. There appear to be lots of people complaining about this but it's all forum and blog comments, nothing that can be used as a reliable source unfortunately. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 09:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just so people who are going to read a comment or something similar, don't miss out on a bit of the video or something silly like that. Ffgamera (talk) 09:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Obviously it's been delayed but the information is still valid. Just leave the date as "TBA" for now I think. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 12:36, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The update was released on December 1 Ffgamera (talk) 03:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

text: It was firmware 3.30, April 22, 2010. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 03:27, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 2.4x to 2.8x

message: Please post information here until verified by Sony. 
:The main rumour so far is that it isn't downloading to the console correctly. However the version from the PS website http://duk01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/image/uk/2008_0702_96e9def601672c5abcbb4604bb2346f1/PS3UPDAT.PUP has been withdrawn to (which of course can be verified that it downloaded correctly), which means it could be something more serious. Obviously I'm worried coz I got it literally moments before its withdrawal. I'd like to know the problem and its effect. chocobogamerLOOK AT WHAT I DID 23:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't add this link as reference as it is blog, and engadget record is not good as a good source. But apparently some of us experienced bricking (not me). If someone can find similar sourcew_tanoto (talk) 23:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: apparently holding down the power button till it beeps works as well. Sony need to rush out a 2.41 which is just 2.36 retitled until its perfected rather than trying to fix this before having a stable version. It was bound to happen really, XMB was promised at launch... chocobogamerLOOK AT WHAT I DID 23:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, I've heard about removing PS3 hard drive and reinstall it solution. but I also heard bricking. Still need to find a good sourcew_tanoto (talk) 23:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I seem to remember seeing it when I went to install 2.41 (and as I had 2.40, I believe it to be a feature introduced in 2.40, as I'd have been running 2.40 at the point it prompted me.); Can't find a reliable source either way, though -- ratarsed (talk) 20:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: . Thanks. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 08:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Now it's out, but there's something new you can activate under System Settings for DivX VOD. I don't know what it's for, and it isn't listed on the wiki yet. Anyone want to add it? --71.241.70.96 (talk) 04:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

text: DivX VOD is code must be used with your DivX player. Open DivX player on a PC. Go to Tools>Device Manager>Register Device and you have to select Sony as the brand. And you have to input the code that the PS3 says when you go to System Settings>DivX VOD. When all is done, you download a video that you put on a USB device. Play it on the PS3, and it should register the PS3.Ffgamera (talk) 08:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it worth mentioning that Firmware 2.50 pauses videos if you press the PS button now? Rather than still play the video? Ffgamera (talk) 02:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I noticed that myself. I wondered if it was a glitch or something new they did. Can anyone find a refrence? --Keithkesslerexp (talk) 04:30, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find anyway thing from an offical source that's in an article I'm looking but seems common Altman Be Praised (talk) 21:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the PS button video pausing is intentional, due to the fact that it has been there for the past three system updates. Ffgamera (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The PS button thing is a "feature" (albeit a stupid one) introduced with 2.50. There appear to be lots of people complaining about this but it's all forum and blog comments, nothing that can be used as a reliable source unfortunately. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 09:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just so people who are going to read a comment or something similar, don't miss out on a bit of the video or something silly like that. Ffgamera (talk) 09:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Obviously it's been delayed but the information is still valid. Just leave the date as "TBA" for now I think. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 12:36, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The update was released on December 1 Ffgamera (talk) 03:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

text: It was firmware 3.30, April 22, 2010. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 03:27, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2.40's withdrawal 

message: I would like to  within the table.  This would put an edit button into each table row (unfortunately, you can't see the "edit" buttons on old revisions).  This table is starting to get rather cumbersome, after many years / software updates.  The only downside is that it also makes the Table of Contents way too long.  Is there a way to add a section without it being listed in the TOC?  LobStoR (talk) 14:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: could do it for the major updates ie 2.5x and ignore the 2.53, 2.55 etc headerwise? chocobogamermine 15:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

text: That would be very horrifying for navigation. We should only do it for major updates as chocobogamer has suggested. Ffgamera (talk) 09:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

text: It could be split by year? ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 09:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page layout 

message: DivX, XviD, 3ivx and other MPEG-4 Part 2 codec implementations work with a simple import into MP4 using a program such as MP4Box. - The it does NOT support XVID if you have to jump through hoops to convert it. Its wrong to write that it does. (yes it is) --IceHunter (talk) 14:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've played many files encoded using MPEG-4 part 2 in AVI containers on my PS3 without any remuxing or reencoding.  Sony advertises support for DivX (and will show the DivX logo when playing a file with the DivX FourCC code), but handles many other MPEG4-in-AVI files just fine.  So I'd say it is the note that is incorrect rather than the claim that the PS3 can play such files. --James (talk) 06:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT support Xvid at all 

message: I've said this before it needs to be sorted. The simple answer is to source the updates from the UK website. Why? Simple - We should be using UTC as its the Universal Time Code. UTC is what used to be called GMT (obviously) and is therefore British time. Edit warring over a date is pathetic and as bad as rowing over American or British English and it needs to stop. chocobogamermine 23:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  release dates of updates 

message: Is there any evidence yet as to whether BRAVIA Sync depends on v3.00 system software or on PS3 Slim hardware? (Obviously, the new model has both) The Seventh Taylor (talk) 16:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: the way sony's articles are written its slim only, and as slim ships with 3.00 its impossible to say if it was usable before chocobogamermine 22:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I found the answer now: it's dependent on the hardware (on the HDMI chip) so only available on PS3 Slim. See  The Seventh Taylor (talk) 10:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  BRAVIA Sync 

message: This article is useful for those interested in updating their PS3, but this is an encyclopedia not a tech guide. Things should be more academic. I was hoping for information about the operating system itself. What is it? Most OS's have some history going back decades, I'm guessing it lives on the OS family tree somewhere. But I still have no clue. --71.213.239.59 (talk) 16:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article you are looking for is XMB I believe. And I'm not sure what you're looking for. The system software article covers everything that is in the firmware. The article even states clearly that it's a game system firmware. Not a computer OS. It doesn't have a "family tree" because it's simply a firmware. The PlayStation and PlayStation 2 have BIOSes, but the PS3 has a firmware (or system software). System software are different from operating systems. The article already says that it is similar to the PlayStation Portable's. Please tell me what you're wanting to know specifically. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 10:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I'm fine with the contents of this article, like the OP I'm eager to find more information about the operating system that PS3 must have (though I'd expect to find it in the main PS3 article) . The XMB is not an OS, it's a Graphical User Interface, part of the system software which is built on top of the OS. Very much like the Xbox360's 'dashboard' GUI is built on top of a Windows-derived OS. Sony remains (probably intentionally) vague about the OS, perhaps because it's not an open environment anyway. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 11:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: its completely closed source so theres little chance of finding out exactly how it works, moreso than windows/osx, all you can find out is about the updates and the gui at the moment chocobogamermine 18:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OS X's kernel is open source. And actually we knows tons about the history of Windows. Check out the Wikipedia article sometime. ;) --eean (talk) 22:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

text: You mean like what coding does it use and what engine they used? Unfortunately, I have no idea and don't know anyone who has the slightest idea of the programming side to the PS3 system software. All we know is the interface and art side of it. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 09:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

text: All I really know is that it's Linux-based and that a lot of the XMB animations were done by Q-Games. Shouldn't be too hard to find citations for this. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 10:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *You don't need to justify the information in this article. It's a game console OS article. It's Sony's proprietary OS, built from the ground up for the PS3. No history, no family tree. I don't think Sony's released anything on the OS beyond what is in the article right now, anything else would just be speculation on the part of the editors. --Ashitaka96 | E-mail • Talk | 01:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was written from scratch that would be pretty interesting to know. I personally doubt anyone has written a non-academic production operating system from scratch in decades though. :) --eean (talk) 22:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I know it is possible to install Linux on a PS3 (at least for the currently released ones), but I haven't seen anything to indicate that the hypervisor (the software that limits what "other OS" software can do) or the game OS are based on Linux.  If they were, then Sony would need to inform people of the fact and provide the Linux source code runnning on the system as required by the license (this wouldn't necessarily require them to release the rest of the firmware).  You may be right, but I would find it surprising. --James (talk) 05:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Chimpanzee, don't you mean Unix-based? Not Linux? ✰Ffgamera✰ - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 05:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  some real information please? 

message: It released on August 31, 2009 for a lot of the world. And apparently, the PS3 120GB was actually shipped with System Software 2.75, which is an unheard of firmware. ✰Ffgamera✰ - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 04:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: as we're meant to follow UTC, then no it was the 1st as I live in England and checked after 1am and it still wasn't up. Im guessing 2.75 probably is just Bravia Sync - the preview shots of the slim PS3 were like months old so I would have been surprised if they all had 3.00 on lol, bt I'm guessing Bravia Sync is out-of-the-box, it could have been available unknowingly because the fat one can't do it chocobogamermine 16:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree to follow UTC, but it's just not gonna happen for some people. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 10:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firmware 3.0 

message: My Slim shipped with 2.76 with Bravia Sync and Other OS removed out of the box. So I'm removing those features as 3.00 features, they are just Slim features and not introduced in 3.00 --Ciao 90 (talk) 19:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes they are indeed Slim-specific. The options are still there on my PS3 and even have subtitles detailing both. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 10:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slim features, not 3.00 features 

message: Needs to be changed from 'the' to 'some', as, if the controllers are knock-off ones that are going down, not all the controllers will be effected, as it is the official HK code used by SCE http://asia.playstation.com/hk/en/ps3/peripheral chocobogamermine 12:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: in fact scrap that, id say remove that part altogether, if they are fake controllers Sony are hardly likely to patch the software to use them chocobogamermine 12:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controller issue 

message: Just so you all know, the English language Asian official PlayStation sites are referring to the new PS3 as "PS3 Slim & Lite" in the sense of it being its official title over there. Also, UK site has at times referred to it as 'slim'. In my opinion, it is therefore fair to use the term "Slim" as long as there are quotation marks as the company itself refers to it so chocobogamermine 16:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Slim is much easier anyway. If we used 120GB, it wouldnt be correct, because the 250GB is a slim model as well. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 08:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Slim' name 

message: Can anyone confirm that 1.00 was in fact shipped on consoles and it wasn't just an internal build?
as we can't say what the changes to the pre-1.00 alpha and beta builds were we can't list what they have and would say its not worth including chocobogamermine 23:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think anyone confirm. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 02:32, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  v1.00 

message: I have done a revamp which involved resorting the categories and adding a new category for TV, Network, PSN and Friends "Network changes". I think navigation will be much easier now. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 03:31, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamped Article 

message: I removed a "Features" section from the article recently that included exhaustive information about options available on XMB. I don't quite understand why this is needed. The article is for system updates, not for information about XMB. The features could be placed in XrossMediaBar or PlayStation 3 as alternatives. Furthermore, the PSP system updates article does not contain an XMB table. -- GSK (talk ● evidence) 07:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was a good idea to remove it. I tried editing it several times to make it look good, but it never did. So I think removing it entirely makes sense. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 13:00, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  XMB Table 

message: I'm not confident, but I think the latest firmware update (released 6 December 2010) may have added Cinavia. Obviously we'd need a source that talks about that change as well as verification that it wasn't added in a prior firmware update, but if you go to the XMB and look at the About (the scrolling credits which detail things like which technologies are used in the PS3) you should be able to see/not see Cinavia as the last entry now. —Locke Cole • t • c 00:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cinavia

message: Sounds suspicious. The Playstation 3 is a bit peculiar in that it only recognises FAT32 file systems. Maybe it is that which is the problem. Antimatter31 (talk) 19:28, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  3.56 Hard Drive Issue 

message: I updated my PS3 to the 3.56 reissue, and noticed that I have "Music Unlimited powered by Qriocity" under Music, but looking at my friend's PS3 which has not been updated to the reissued 3.56, this feature is absent. Not a 100% sure, but it looks like the reissued update gives users (or at least US users) access to Qriocity on PS3. 173.20.89.180 (talk) 21:18, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qriocity with 3.56 reissue 

message: It looks like there's at least one article on problems that have been occurring with the current PS3 system version, though I'm not sure how to integrate it into the article (if it's even a good time to do so). http://kotaku.com/dont-update-your-ps3-today-514213464 --Thunderbird8 (talk) 04:14, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The system update will no doubt be reissued once the issues have been fixed (as has happened before). I don't see any reason to remove it from here, at least for now. --Thunderbird8 (talk) 05:31, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  System update 4.45 

message: Citation 2 on this page links to a page which links to a 404'd blogspot article about the PS3 CellOS being FreeBSD based. Since there is no adequate citation, a new citation needs to be found, or that part of the article needs removed. 69.145.67.34 (talk) 17:51, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of CellOS being based on FreeBSD citation is bad 

message: Since the  template has been removed with virtually no progress made toward construction, I ask that the empty  be removed. The alternative, given the third-party sources previously used in that section, seems to be a couple of awkward proseline paragraphs (which I’ll attempt if this request is rejected and no one else has a go at it). Merging with PlayStation 3 may also be an option.
—67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done But feel free to undo it. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 16:22, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2015 

message: Fix the ref for the latest release in the infobox. The page at http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/index.htm appears to be titled “PS3™ System Software Update,” and unless we update the ref along with the version number, it’s a terrible idea to include it in the title as it is now.
—67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done -- Sam Sailor Talk! 16:20, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2015 (2) 

message: Fix the refs that have the access date in the  param, a missing publish date, and misspellings (“suite” for “suit”) and file formats in the titles.
—67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:20, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly done: A couple of missing pipes and some missing |date  were inserted. As for file formats in titles, that's not something needing immediate attention. Create an account and WP:SOFIXIT.   -- Sam Sailor Talk! 16:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks on all counts! —67.14.236.50 (talk) 20:18, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2015 (3) 

message: Posted this over on the PS4 talk page, but then my PS3 also needed an update so it's just as relevant here.
I'm an infrequent PS3 user which means pretty often when I switch on there is a system update.
I come to this page to see when the update was released and what it contained.
I'm not interested in the whys and wherefores, all I know is this page is now utterly useless to me. I will now have to go and try and find the information somewhere else, hoping it's listed as conveniently and concisely as it was here. Doesn't that rather defeat the purpose of Wikipedia? 151.229.182.193 (talk) 01:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can cite where the update notes have been released into the public domain, that would be a good step. However, I recommend that you instead use a wiki (or other resource, perhaps a forum) devoted to PlayStation users, which Wikipedia is not. The crux of the decision to remove these changelogs was WP:NOTCHANGELOG, which is Wikipedia policy, meaning it reflects widely held community consensus. You are as free as anyone else to  endeavor to get that policy changed if you disagree with it, but no one has yet made any argument (other than WP:ITSUSEFUL) as to how the inclusion of changelogs would benefit the encyclopedia. But whether you choose to participate or not, I wish you well in your search. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 01:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What on earth happened with the update details? 

message: The prose in this article goes into way too much detail and is sourced primarily to secondary sources. Anything that needs to be said on the subject of the Other OS lawsuit or controversial OS updates has been covered within PlayStation_3#Software (or can be). I recommend redirecting there. – czar 16:56, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merging. If the legal issues with the PlayStation 3 are notable enough that we need this much coverage of them, we should have an article devoted to them. If not, we should trim it down. Either way, this is the wrong article for it, and what’s left is a candidate for merging since no one seems interested in building it up as anything other than a matter of convenience. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Oppose if similar articles such as PlayStation 4 system software and Nintendo 3DS system software also exist on their own. They should be handled as a whole, instead of individually. --Cartakes (talk) 22:33, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you opposing on the grounds that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS? The existence of those articles is also contested, and the closer for the mass AFD recommended handling them individually. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:08, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I am not opposing because of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS I believe. However, because of these articles are quite related to each another, I think we should define the scope of these articles as a whole first and decide each individual article according to the same standard (instead of completely individually without any established standard). Hope you can see what I mean. --Cartakes (talk) 23:45, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article has fairly detailed descriptions of controversies and an unrelated lead. The PS4 article has a bit of technical info about how the software works. The 3DS article has several sections describing various user-facing parts and features. I really don’t think they’re directly comparable. If you mean you wanted to start a WikiProject discussion or something, I don’t think any of these OSes are really notable enough to warrant it. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 00:24, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

text: * Each article's scope is determined independently. The depth of coverage for the Vita's system updates is not the same across the board for the PS3/4, etc. When an article is gutted, it's common practice to redirect it to its parent section. If the PS3 article accrued enough info about system updates to warrant a split, it would have no opposition. Instead this is another wasted conversation about whether to keep an unhelpful shell of an article standing. – czar 16:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Amazimg, destroy an articles entire worth, then ask the question "why isnt this page worth having?"−69.178.101.145 (talk) 12:22, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The consensus was that the tables in this article didn’t belong on Wikipedia. By your logic, this article never belonged on Wikipedia. (But as I’ve said a number of times before, go ahead and copy it out of the revision history if you know somewhere it does belong.) —67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:13, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, but I think like similar articles such as PlayStation 4 system software and Nintendo 3DS system software, there is no need to merge everything together when WP:SPLIT is already applicable to them. --Cartakes (talk) 01:53, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Since the changelog tables have been removed and consensus doesn’t seem likely to restore them, the “key for new updates” should probably also be removed from the comment at the top of the article.
—67.14.236.50 (talk) 01:33, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: ✓ done – czar 01:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2015 

message: If this article has a history section, shouldn’t it incorporate the stuff about certain parts of its history, rather than treating them in separate and abnormally small sections? Also, the history section is currently unsourced. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 02:15, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed the section level to make these sections as subsections of the history section. Furthermore, I have added a number of sources to the history section. --Cartakes (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

text: And then a village pump discussion about what WP:NOTCHANGELOG says and should say. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 01:37, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of updates and problems with updates 

message: Add to the top of this article:
 
—67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:21, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2015 

message: The citation on the browser is incorrect. The PSP browser was NetFront. The PS3 browser started with an implementation by Sony Electronics, but switched to WebKit a few years into the product life and remains as WebKit. This is easily verified. Ohmantics (talk) 17:18, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Browser info is wrong 

message: new update just launched and will make the ps3 Proform better. However i still feel it's quite the same since old update in 2023 27.96.193.130 (talk) 11:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New software update for PS3?