Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 1

message: Anybody interested in a WikiProject on Oregon highways?  Several possible suspects may receive similar questions on their homepages... --EngineerScotty 05:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could help set one up... like I've done with a few... but I've only been to Oregon a few times. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to help, so far as we make sure to honor both the Route Numbers and Highway Numbers.  Someone should work on explaining that for the uninitiated.TEG 03:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I've started a WikiProject for Oklahoma. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Oklahoma State Highways. ...Scott5114 03:42, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oregon Highways wikiproject? 

message: Kansas Turnpike is currently up for peer review. Scott5114 02:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kansas Turnpike

message: Does anyone have a general "Highway" infobox? The U.S. and Interstate ones are too specific — I need something that applies to (read: can be flexible with) routes with no shields, or 2+ shields, and yet contain enough relevant info about the specific expressway. This will be used on things like the Borman Expressway. Thanks! —Rob (talk) 17:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: maybe? Scott5114 19:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That works. It's in need of a few borders, but I've been having trouble with those when I tried editing it. Thanks! —Rob (talk) 14:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Highways infobox 

message: If noone objects, by Monday I will be moving all lists to the correct convention. For example, I will move "List of Alabama state highways" to "List of Alabama State Routes" (since they are, in fact Alabama State Routes). This will strengthen our case for fixing the highway capitalizations. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  21:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm saying that the use of "New York State Highway" at all is incorrect. It should be Route 9A (New York), and the list would probably fit best at List of state-numbered routes in New York (maybe capitalizing Routes), especially because New York is a state that assigns state numbers to local roads. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 01:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: OK I've read the discussions which mainly seem to be circular around both naming and capitalization. Personally I think the capitalization is a trivial issue, and would prefer to use English grammer rules for nouns as I stated at there. The naming standards are a bit less trivial, and I will go with whatever the concensus is. I'd rather work on getting the content standardized and completed rather than focus lots of effort on what the names are. --Censorwolf 15:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: On further consideration, the more I look into this, the more of a mess it appears to be. If you look at the filled out table under Wikipedia:WikiProject_Highways/U.S._state_highway_naming_conventions, we actually have 10 different "conventions" for lists (capitalization be damned!), several of which (eg: NY) don't agree with the current article naming "convention". Can't we settle on one way to name these articles and lists for roads in the U.S.? At least each state should agree with itself at the minimum. I undersand that each state DOT (or similar dept) may have its own way of naming roads but we don't even appear to be following that for each state. --Censorwolf 20:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moves

message: I've been working on getting distances to two decimal places for US 30. I'm going to set up Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Lengths for discussion. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 01:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On that note, Illinois has Interstate (but sadly, nothing else) distances to two decimal places here. It's a PDF. Probably from the same source. —Rob (talk) 04:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Precise distances

message: I've started Wikipedia:Naming conventions/Numbered highways. I'm not sure about the exact process, so if it needs to be submitted anywhere, someone should do so. But we should probably come to some rough consensus first that this is what we want. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 20:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming conventions

message: I have just created Portal:U.S. Roads.  The intent of this is to serve as a portal to interstate, US, and state highways.  If you have any comments, please post them here.  I had considered including "streets" here as well, does anyone have a comment on it?  Any comments are welcome.  
If you wish to post request for selected article, selected picture, or "Did you know?", please post it at the talk page there, other comments, at least until this is fully up and running, please post here.  Right now I'm concerned with it's appearance, etc.  Much of what I used for the selected article, picture, and "Did you know" I kind of pulled out of a hat.  US 66 seemed to be a good article to kick off with and the picture of I-80 looked good, so I used them.  I would like to leave this through February and March, then begin changing them every month.  "Did you know" I will change "as needed" (for now).  I would like to get a small group to help determine these, if possible.  Preferably, the selected article should have a photo selection and should be based on the article itself over any particular route.  You can also leave comments at my talk page.  
I will post a notice of the new Portal on the different WikiProject highway pages and will direct comments to this page since it is the partent project.Rt66lt 03:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great! I've made a few minor changes. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  03:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any way to do away with the Portal:U.S. Roads/ prefacing the headings? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  03:38, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thanks, it looks better.  Thanks for putting up the portal links, I was having some trouble with them for some reason.Rt66lt 04:10, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I spoke to soon.  It replace all of them with "US Roads" instead of "Selected article", "selected picture", etc.  I'll keep working on it.Rt66lt 04:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Now it's fixed!  I went to another portal and looked at their template.  Rt66lt 04:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Improvement focus of the week? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think the template has the correct closing tags. Maybe have Interstate/ US Highway stuff but then have maybe a few things regarding state highways...? I'd say that streets can be mentioned, but should not dominate the portal. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  01:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I added links to recommend for selected articles and pictures, "Did you know", and news and a link for archives.  These are all red links right now.  I'll try and work on it more tomorrow.  I've also put a portal link on all the state/territorial highway lists, US Highway system (and list), bannered highways (and list), interstates, and Missouri Supplemental Routes.  As for streets, I was thinking something occasional.Rt66lt 04:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, sounds good. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  02:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portal

message: *I am ready to work on this whenever the OK is given. Station Attendant 03:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just create a page named Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota State Highways with the text . Save, and then re-edit it to replace the boilerplate text....Scott5114 01:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text: You can but you really don't have to. I can help once things at California State Highway 17 settle down. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  05:29, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, I will start it. Station Attendant 22:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minnesota State Highways wikiproject 

message: I've noticed that some of the sign images are not loading, so far they've all been interstates.  If you click on it, it takes you to the image page, but they're blank, too.  Is this me, or has anyone else noticed it (Interstate 95 is one of these)?Rt66lt 03:19, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Same here, but on U.S. Routes too. Probably a server issue with the SVG parser/render or something....Scott5114 01:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ask in . I've already done so several times with no real response. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 12:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text: SVG works a lot better for things like sign images that can be expressed in vector form. See Talk:Blaise ketone synthesis for some of the reasons why SVG works well. ...Scott5114 19:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sign images

message: I noticed that all the state route boxes that use junction legends all use the same colors. That's great. But the route boxes all have the legend imbedded. See Template_talk:Routeboxny for my analysis. I may have missed a state or two, but I was using this project's "Similar Projects" list for reference. 
I created a new  which is the common colors, including the county name header which only NY and TX used. Refer to  to see how I referenced it. 
I won't change other state route boxes, leaving that to the project editors of each state. 
--Censorwolf 15:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please keep this sort of detailed information out of infoboxes. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 18:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps a valid opinion, but since most of the roadboxes have this info, the horse is already out the barn, n'est pas? --Censorwolf 19:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The horse will die sooner or later. Better to stay off it. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 19:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The horse aint dying. It's just got one or two ticks... an easy fix. No need to undo months of hard work.Gateman1997 20:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally false. An infobox is meant for several lines of basic information - that is why it gets the upper right position. Details should be in the article body. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 20:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Roads have alot of "basic" information. Everything in the current boxes is both basic to CA highways and similar highways and relevant.Gateman1997 21:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pure verbal manipulation. The box is too big. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 21:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not from my POV.Gateman1997 02:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Routebox_legend 

message: *Are these project templates (ex:Template:Minnesota State Highway WikiProject) for use on the talk page of the article or the actual article page? Station Attendant 02:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project templates 

message: How about making a Pennsylvania State Highways Wikiproject?  Pennsylvania has many roadways, including possibly the most famous: the Pennsylvania Turnpike.  I'm all up for starting it.  --myselfalso 17:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. I'll help when I get the chance. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  00:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pennsylvania State Highways Wikiproject 

message: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-12 U.S. Roads.  --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  20:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Med Cabal

message: There has been some discussion at Talk:Iowa State Highways about making articles for decommissioned routes. I just thought that I would ask for some opinions on this. --Station Attendant 23:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there should be.  There's a long list of Missouri ones at List of Missouri highways.Rt66lt 03:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decommissioned routes 

message: I created a new category:  "State highways shorter than one mile".  If you know of any, please add. It currently has four articles in it.  Please, not spurs, loops, county roads, etc.Rt66lt 03:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oklahoma has an orphaned lettered spur at around half a mile - Oklahoma State Highway 40A. Would that fit in the category? ...Scott5114 06:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably shouldn't.  This was designed for "regular highways", not spurs, etc.Rt66lt 21:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I understand now.  It's split off from OK 40?  If it is, I would go ahead and include it.Rt66lt 21:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New category 

message: Is there anyone else interesting in the big job of working on Texas state highways and Farm-to-Market and Ranch-to-Market Roads?  I wouldn't mind firing up a Wikiproject page to coordinate the work, etc..and perhaps one or two others might start with the roads in their own County for starters. DavidBavousett 04:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could help set it up (but I've never been to Texas). Also I think we have a contributor Bellhalla who is working on TX roads too. You can always start it and wait until people come too. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  21:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Rschen7754.  Being quite new around here, I'd appreciate your looking over my shoulder.  I'll Be bold and build the basic Wikiproject page later this weekend.  I'll also try to get hold of Bellhalla and coordinate.  That user has put together a really nice Route Box for Texas highways.  I hope that it doesn't end up in a routebox war like some others have!  If Bellhalla and I agree on something, and no one else is playing, does that constitute consensus?  I'm enjoying looking at the work everyone has done so far, and am excited about adding to it! --DavidBavousett 22:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doubt that a war would start. CA is the oldest state highway WikiProject, and it takes a while before major debates build like that. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  22:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Texas highways? 

message: U.S. Route 66 has been listed as a good article.Rt66lt 21:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: U.S. Route 66