Talk:Kumquat

message: THE SECTION ABOUT A BALL GAME CALLED KUMQUAT IS A SPOOF, AND ENTIRELY FICTITIOUS.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.242.53.142 (talk) 04:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it is.  What is for sure is that it has no place here.  If such a sport does exist, it needs its own referenced article. JIMp talk·cont 17:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The racket sport

message: Don't eat it!
"The juicy center is often too sour to eat and is thrown away after the rind is consumed." was changed to "The juicy center is often too sour to eat and is thrown away before the rind is consumed."
The two sentences mean quite two different way of eating a kumquat.  The original sentence meant that the rind of the fruit is nibbled off and the center is thrown away afterward.  The new sentence means that the fruit is prepared in certain way before the rind is consumed.  The former is how most people eat kumquat, not the latter.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kowloonese (talk • contribs) 07:31, 14 August 2004
:I find the phrases "Kumquats are frequently eaten whole" and "The juicy center is often too sour to eat; in this case it is thrown away" to be conflicting... if noone has any objections I'm going to change this section to suggest that these are simply two common methods of eating Kumquats. T He He 03:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have strange methods of eating kumquats. The most interesting was first eating the rind, then attempting to split apart all the 'slices' of the 
kumquat with my tongue without rupturing any. This creates a very..unique taste if successful, to say the least. Anyone else know about this method? As long as its just me I dont feel it appropriate to put in. Chardansearavitriol (talk) 06:50, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eating 

message: I'm surprised that Corfu is not linked with this article and vice versa. Having recently been there, I can say that Kumquats, its marmalade and especially the liquor, are one of symbols of the island – a lots of plantages and abundance of the liquor in every single shop. Google for "Corfu Kumquat" and you'll see what I mean. Duja 11:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting!  If that was your experience and you think it's worthy of mention, you should add the reference yourself.  I'm sure there are a lot of places that specialize in kumquats or kumquat products but I've never heard of a place emphasizing kumquats over other citrus, as they're so small (because usually where kumquats grow, other citrus fruits grow also).  Badagnani 20:10, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I just checked and there are tons and tons of pages (in English and Greek) about Corfu kumquats, kumquat liqueur, kumquat jam, etc.  The Greek spelling is κουμ κουάτ, κουμ-κουάτ, or κουμκουάτ. Badagnani 09:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Corfu]] 

message: Thanks for correct Vietnamese at kumquat. Questions: 1) why are there two names in Viet; and 2) what does the "(quả)" signify in the first name? Thanks, Badagnani 04:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, from my understanding Vietnamese-speakers use the term "cẩm quất" as simply a corruption of the Cantonese name for the fruit. But actually, the characters are rendered as "kim quất" if transliterated from the characters "金橘" into Sino-Vietnamese pronunciation. The thing is, most Vietnames-speakers are either not actually aware of this etymology, or find the "proper" pronunciation stilted, preferring simply to call it by the Cantonese way. The "quẩ" is simply the Vietnamese rendering of "果". By the way, do you know the meaning of your surname in Italian? The "-gn" part is uniquely Italian or French, but the "-ni" at the end looks Arabic. User:Le Anh-Huy
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I've added text to reflect this etymological clarification.  Could you please check it to see if it's correct?  Badagnani 17:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I am an advocate for adding native text to encyclopedic articles. See my user-talk page for my views. However, I oppose to putting other irrelevant languages into an article. In this article, the title name "Kumquat" was based on the Cantonese name of the fruit.  So it is informational to include the Cantonese text in the article.  I don't see a need to name the fruit in all possible languages inside this article.  These foreign names add no information for the English readers because the word "Kumquat" is not based on Vietnamese, nor Thai, hence they are not needed in the article.  Besides, these foreign names are already linked to the non-English editions of Wikipedia. Removing them from the body of the article will not lose the association.  For example, if you click on the Thai link on the left column, you can bring up the Thai article on this fruit.  The Thai name belongs to the Thai article, not in this English article.  In my opinion, only the English and Cantonese name need to stay, any other name does not belong here, not even the Mandarin name.  The comment on how the Vietnamese name is derived belongs to the Vietnamese edition of wikipedia, not here.  Another example to illustrate my point is in the Italian page on this fruit, the title of the Italian article is Fortunella, not Kumquat, so the Chinese text is irrelevant to the Italian readers because they don't name the fruit after the Cantonese name. However, since they named it after the Englishman "Robert Fortune", the English name become more relevant than the Chinese name to the Italian readers.  I propose to remove the foreign names section and only keep the Cantonese name. Kowloonese 19:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What should be done is a transwiki of the names to Wiktionary at wikt:kumquat, and then the section should be replaced with a Wiktionary tag: . — TheKMantalk 20:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep names.  These are names in nearby nations, and are valuable.  More information is better than less.  The names in Lithuanian, Inuit, etc. are unnecessary and can be found at Wiktionary, but the Asian alternate names are useful.  Badagnani 21:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The rule of thumb I use is whether the text is native to the topic or not.  For example, the article mentions that Kumquat spread from China to Japan.  If Japan is a major producer of Kumquat, then you may argue Kumquat is also native to Japan, hence the Japanese name may be useful info provided that you can make such a connection.  The article didn't say anything about Vietnam and Thailand except for the name in these languages.  I still propose to have these names removed unless the content of the article establish a connection.  Kowloonese 22:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a way to include the foreign-language names into the text, or provide some useful information about them, they should be included (e.g., provide the Japanese name in a section about Kumquat cultivation in Japan). However, simple name translations with no other information should be placed on Wiktionary. This isn't a big deal. — TheKMantalk 02:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vietnamese name

message: :I am an advocate for adding native text to encyclopedic articles. See my user-talk page for my views. However, I oppose to putting other irrelevant languages into an article. In this article, the title name "Kumquat" was based on the Cantonese name of the fruit.  So it is informational to include the Cantonese text in the article.  I don't see a need to name the fruit in all possible languages inside this article.  These foreign names add no information for the English readers because the word "Kumquat" is not based on Vietnamese, nor Thai, hence they are not needed in the article.  Besides, these foreign names are already linked to the non-English editions of Wikipedia. Removing them from the body of the article will not lose the association.  For example, if you click on the Thai link on the left column, you can bring up the Thai article on this fruit.  The Thai name belongs to the Thai article, not in this English article.  In my opinion, only the English and Cantonese name need to stay, any other name does not belong here, not even the Mandarin name.  The comment on how the Vietnamese name is derived belongs to the Vietnamese edition of wikipedia, not here.  Another example to illustrate my point is in the Italian page on this fruit, the title of the Italian article is Fortunella, not Kumquat, so the Chinese text is irrelevant to the Italian readers because they don't name the fruit after the Cantonese name. However, since they named it after the Englishman "Robert Fortune", the English name become more relevant than the Chinese name to the Italian readers.  I propose to remove the foreign names section and only keep the Cantonese name. Kowloonese 19:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What should be done is a transwiki of the names to Wiktionary at wikt:kumquat, and then the section should be replaced with a Wiktionary tag: . — TheKMantalk 20:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep names.  These are names in nearby nations, and are valuable.  More information is better than less.  The names in Lithuanian, Inuit, etc. are unnecessary and can be found at Wiktionary, but the Asian alternate names are useful.  Badagnani 21:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The rule of thumb I use is whether the text is native to the topic or not.  For example, the article mentions that Kumquat spread from China to Japan.  If Japan is a major producer of Kumquat, then you may argue Kumquat is also native to Japan, hence the Japanese name may be useful info provided that you can make such a connection.  The article didn't say anything about Vietnam and Thailand except for the name in these languages.  I still propose to have these names removed unless the content of the article establish a connection.  Kowloonese 22:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a way to include the foreign-language names into the text, or provide some useful information about them, they should be included (e.g., provide the Japanese name in a section about Kumquat cultivation in Japan). However, simple name translations with no other information should be placed on Wiktionary. This isn't a big deal. — TheKMantalk 02:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  these names are not needed 

message: A sentence in the introduction reads:
:A Nagami kumquat is oval and has a yellow skin, while a Marumi kumquat is round with an orange-colored skin.
However, I just carefully ate around 20 Nagamis tonight (sour!), and all were orange to light-orange in color. I'll try rewriting the sentence, but feel free to revert me if it turns out I just had an exceptional batch or something. — TheKMantalk 04:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nagami color 

message: Citrus flowers are white, not yellow, though the pollen is yellow.  I think a mature kumquat tree produces hundreds of fruits, not 30-50, but I'm not sure what the correct count is.  It likely depends on variety.
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(Forgive me if I don't follow procedure, but this is my first time doing this) It seemed totally incredible to me that a kumquat tree would produce only 30-50 fruits, so I did some searching and came up with the following bit of information:
'Nagami', or Oval, Kumquat (F. margarita Swing.)–plants introduced from China into London in 1846 by Robert Fortune, plant explorer for the Royal Horticultural Society; was reported in North America in 1850; introduced into Florida from Japan by Glen St. Mary and Royal Palm nurseries in 1885; obovate or oblong; up to 1 3/4 in (4.5 cm) long and 1 3/16 in (3 cm) wide; pulp divided into 4 or 5 segments, contains 2 to 5 seeds. In season October to January. Tree to 15 ft (4.5 m) tall. A mature specimen on rough lemon rootstock at Oneco, Florida, in 1901, bore a crop of 3,000 to 3,500 fruits. This is the most often cultivated kumquat in the United States.
This was found at the following link: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/kumquat.html.  I'm not sure how someone might want to use this information, or even if it's usable, but nevertheless here it is. Quiggifur (talk) 00:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flower color and fruit count 

message: It seems that here in Australia, "cumquat" really means calamondin.  They are sold as ornamental shrubs.  I'll let an expert decide if this is worth working into the main article. 218.185.0.106 04:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems at least worth mentioning in the article that an almost identical word refers to another plant in an English speaking country. That would seem to justify some kind of disambiguation. Sheherazahde (talk) 05:41, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A citation would be helpful. My experience is that cumquat trees are what is sold as cumquats in Australia, and perhaps the report above is of an isolated misidentification. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 12:29, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian name 

message: Why does the Kumquat page include a link to the Loquat page (and vice-versa)?  Admittedly, the names sound similar, and apparently both are derived from a Chinese word for orange.  But the kumquats and loquats themselves are not related — the trees are not only in different families, they are in different orders!  If the links are there merely for etymological interest, it would be helpful to state this alongside the links.  Carol the Dabbler 16:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a similar name and people get them confused, so cross-linking made sense. Badagnani 16:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: True, but couldn't the link line say something like "Unrelated plant with a historically-related name"?  Or does somebody have a better phrase?  Also, since limequats and orangequats really are related to kumquats, their links should come first.  Carol the Dabbler 16:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks.  If nobody comes up with a better proposal, I'll change it later today.  Ditto the Kumquat, Limequat, and Orangequat links on the Loquat page.  Come to think of it, wouldn't just the Kumquat link be adequate there?  Carol the Dabbler 17:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Loquat 

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message: Citrus japonica redirects to Kumquat, but Fortunella japonica is its own article. Commons claims at Commons:Citrus japonica that these species are synonyms. What's the truth? – Quadell (talk) 18:16, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fortunella japonica, Citrus japonica, etc. 

message: The freestanding article on Fortunella japonica does not add anything material not already present in this article, where it is listed as a cultivar. I vote to merge it here. Wikiuser100 (talk) 22:02, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: Articles existed about 6 so-called cultivars, Citrus japonica 'Crassifolia', 'Hindsii', 'Japonica', 'Margarita', 'Obovata', and 'Polyandra'. These were nearly identical, each calling the cultivars species, lacking citations about the cultivar status, and each with a severely flawed paragraph about the taxonomic history. I've boldly merged them all here, where the original Fortunella species corresponding to these supposed cultivars are discussed. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 20:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged cultivars 

message: An entry in List of colors: A–F contained a link to this page.
The entry is :
* Kumquat
I don't see any evidence that this color is discussed in this article and plan to delete it from the list per this discussion: Talk:List_of_colors#New_approach_to_review_of_entries
If someone decides that this color should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible removal from list 

message: Wikipedia's parent article on the genus Citrus lists kumquats as native to southern China. Two references (Purdue and GRIN) in this article corroborate that claim, listing China. Facial (talk) 22:01, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin Correction 

message: In the Description subsection, the following contradictory sentences appear:
"Kumquat plants have thornless branches and extremely glossy leaves," 
and
"The plants can reach a height from 2.5 to 4.5 metres (8 to 15 feet), with dense branches, sometimes bearing small thorns." Mlahiff42 (talk) 22:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thorns?