Talk:Use of force

message: History, case examples, effectiveness/statistics, something relating to the education of officers. Pictures, quotes? Slarrab (talk) 17:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions

message: This could be a useful document. It's from the border patrol on use of force. http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/UseofForcePolicyHandbook.pdf
This discusses education, as well as the sources below. Slarrab (talk) 19:13, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: More examples of how force is used in other places (other than England and Wales) would be useful information. More information on the history would be good as well. Slarrab (talk) 17:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions

message: We have a definition of the Use of force doctrine, but what exactly is it?Dionnecoe (talk) 18:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: More defined definition

message: Yes, but what is the literal definition of "use of force"? Viewer 05:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition

message: "One study found that officers with four-year college degrees are significantly less likely to use force than officers with less education."
"College education does, however, significantly reduce the likelihood of force occurring."
24.97.201.230 (talk) 15:39, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Effect of Higher Education on Police's Use of Force 

message: The case law section provides much-needed information about courts' perceptions and definitions of use of force. It would help to add a sentence or two to each one that describes how the Supreme Court defined use of excessive force in those situations. Also in that section, the link to Tennessee v. Garner is broken. The Statistics section needs sources. Also in this section, the second paragraph may violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. I'm not sure it's necessary; if it is, then it should be rewritten to take a more neutral standpoint. Overall, the article might make more sense if reorganized in the following way: History, Use of Force Continuum, U.S. Case Law, Officer Attributes (with subsections for Education and other relevant aspects), Suspect Attributes (with subsections for Gender and other relevant attributes), and England and Wales. This would set up the article by discussing the history and the idea of excessive use of force (which is basically jumping up the continuum unnecessarily) and then showing how U.S. courts have defined excessive use of force. Then, it would narrow into other categories. Adding more information to the history section would help, as well as adding research on other officer and suspect attributes that contribute to using varying levels of use of force. Profmwilliams (talk) 18:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the suggestions! I'm still working on the history and education sections, so there will definitely be more added to those. Those are good material suggestions. Dionne will be working on finding more case laws. Slarrab (talk) 18:34, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for revisions and expansions 

message: It would be beneficial to look at how specific community crime levels affect when police use force. Also, how police education, age, ethnicity, and experience factor into the use of force would be useful for this article. Johnwandrey (talk) 17:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Causes and factors suggestions 

message: Lee, H., Vaughn, M. S., & Lim, H. (2014). The impact of neighborhood crime levels on police use of force: An examination at micro and meso levels. Journal Of Criminal Justice, 42(6), 491-499.
Chapman, C. (2012). Use of force in minority communities is related to police education, age, experience, and ethnicity. Police Practice & Research, 13(5), 421-436. Johnwandrey (talk) 17:11, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential sources 

message: I will be working on this section and adding information and sources Johnwandrey (talk) 17:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime levels 

message: That's not what the source says or what the article says. Most of the discussion concerns the lethal or non-lethal 'force', not restraint. Felsic2 (talk) 17:10, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that that appears to be a poor summary/topic sentence for the article. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restraint? 

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message: The choice of image for this article seems slanted and calculated to paint police officers and the whole concept of use of force into disrepute. This is an article about the use of force to make citizens comply when all other methods have failed, and the legal justifications for giving law enforcement officers the option of using force on other people when the sitiuation calls for it. Part of this subject is that some people disagree with the use of force at all, and that others believe many (or all) police use force unecessarily. A political image depicting a police officer bludgeoning a helpless, pleading civilian is not well-selected to represent the subject, it is representative of the views of a minority of people. What is wrong with a picture of police restraining a drunken, belligerent footbal fan who has been running around punching people and spitting on fans of the other team? What about a man who believes he is for some reason immune to arrest and absolutely refused to enter the police car, and then won't bend his legs so the police can close the door, until a pain-compliance pressure point is used to make him bend his legs? That picture is not only a biased suggestion of "evil, violent cops", but it also starts off the tone of the article with "police use of force = bludgeoning people who stand up to them into unconciousness". 95% of "force" used by police is nothing like this, and is merely a way to get unwilling prisoners to comply. The other 5% of the time is where people start getting worried about whether it's excessive force or not, and only a percentage of the timem are they right even then. Anyway, if the article was about "police brutality" then you could find reason to justify using that picture. It's not, it's about official use of force, and that image implies to everyone that reads the article that "police force = brutality". Just because it's not text doesn't mean it doesn't have to be NPOV. And what does that caption even mean: "Police brutality warning"? This is a street sign you'll find hanging it cities where the police are allowed to brutally beat civilians who they catch jaywalking? That's what I might assume if I was a person from a foriegn nation; I'd assume that this was an actual sign, and wow, they weren't kidding when they said American police are brutal! Look at this warning they posted to the people showing them what will happen if they break the law! 
No, this is some organization's nasty charicature of an officer beating someone. It's not "warning" anyone, it's a political statement made to look like a "Warning" street sign. It has no offical endorsement, and doesn't represent the average person's view on the subject. A better caption might be "this is what some people seem to view 'police use of force as', but that notion is incorrect to a large degree". It is certainly not an unbiased, objective, accurate image depicting the concept of "use of force" as a law enforcement tool.
Idumea47b (talk) 09:17, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image choice 

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