Talk:Betel

message: Freebases are not particularly water soluble. Active compounds are usually taken orally / rectally / nasally / intravenously as the salt due to salts having a high water solubility and the body being primarily water based - e.g. look at the back of any pack of medicine and it'll say ... hydrochloride or ... sulphate or ... phosphate etc.
People only freebase things like cocaine to smoke it because the boiling point of the salt is much higher than that of the freebase.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.52.251.187 (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The lime acts to keep the active ingredient in its freebase or alkaline form, thus enabling it to enter the bloodstream via sublingual absorption.

message: Does Betel need a disambiguation?  I always type it in looking for info on the Areca nut (betel nut).  It seems betel refers to the chew or the nut as often as the leaf of P. betel.
Has betel plant really originated from Malaysia and then taken to India and Indonesia?
This needs to be verified.
TV 19:49, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: are there any dangers related to chewing betel leaves?
*Aside from the association with oral and esophageal squamous cell carcinoma, no. No dangers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.133.107 (talk) 23:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: dangers

message: Contempt can be ignored or made mild by Europeans, but from Asia we see this differently. In the citation it does say "The natives chew these nuts all day" and "and chewed by the natives. They stain the lips and teeth red and also the excrement, they are hot and acrid when chewed. " this is certainly not what someone from Indonesia would write about the leafe or the nut.
Kampong people58.10.80.244 (talk) 06:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See reply on Talk:Areca nut.  It is not for Wikipedia to judge whether the source is contemptuous - that is both OR and POV.  If you want to claim "Europeans are contemptuous", find a source saying that, not a source that you think *is* contemptuous. 67.158.66.240 (talk) 22:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The section about colonial prejudice does not constitute an OR original research and also not a POV. The section is mostly a summary for what the rest of the article says. The remaining part of what the section says is not rocket science: 
*1.The colonizers did not take the habit, so they looked at it from afar. 
*2. Regarding the wrong use of the term betel, you only have to refer to the section below and the article on Betel where there is enough evidence about the difference between the term for the leaf and the term for the nut in the different laguages of the stuff's user countries. *3. Regarding the reverence and importance of the stuff (Vietnam, India, ...) there are referenced paragraphs in the remaining article. 
*4. Furthermore: since the nut represents the male priciple and the betel the female, in most user cultures the term "betel-nut" is not a happy combination because it puts the female part of the whole first. 
*5. If you look carefully at the pages preceding the cleanup of the article, when many repetitions were removed, you will realize that most of this section is a synthesis of what contributors from different countries in Asia had written. So please allow me to remove the unwarranted tag and greetings from Southeast Asia!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.27.16.206 (talk) 04:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Original synthesis is exactly one of the things we don't do here. 67.158.72.135 (talk) 04:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The part about the colonial Prejudice is not POV

message: It seems logical to me to merge Sirih leaves into this article as that article discusses the medicinal properties of Betel leaves, which is covered in a subsection of the Betel article. Davidelit (talk) 12:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article would not cover the whole of the other article, it doesn't seem logical to me. Dmcq (talk) 12:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be merged. How could this article not cover the sirih leave article - the latter has only got 4 sentences? I don't get it. --Merbabu (talk) 12:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry yes I wsas getting a bit confused, the other article talked about them as if they were something other than Betel leaves. Dmcq (talk) 14:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: I think this is an unsupported claim. I found some English references to this, but they didn't seem very reliable. I could not find any such Indonesian 
references. Especially the part "almost all women" seems very bad style to me, and is not verifiable. eco_mate (talk) 12:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Almost all Indonesian women use sirih leaves in bath water after giving birth as it shrinks the vaginal canal

message: What kind of idiot suggest that betel leaves are "an addictive psycho-stimulating and euphoria-inducing formulation with adverse health effects". That happens only when its taken with tobacco. In fact betel leaves are helpful in digestion. Its the contents of the paan that decide if it is harmful or not. Don't spread your prejudices and correct that article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.223.100.30 (talk) 09:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  first paragraph.... 

message: I have no stake in this game and am just learning about it.  But from what I've read about the constituents, it sounds like most of the effects are from the nut, and that the leaves just provide eugenol and some similar substances to make it more palatable, rather than having any additictive / stimulative properties of their own.  Is this correct?  Then if so why is this whole article about the combination of the two?  I came here wanted to learn about the plant itself (was curious about relatives of black pepper), not about all of the medical details of the combination with a totally unrelated palm nut, wherein said other species is the primary element of effect.
 -- 213.176.153.100 (talk) 15:07, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused 

message: I have removed almost all the informatino to do with chewing of Paan/Areca Nut/Betel Nut (which all involve Betel Leaves but are not the same thing). This information is all contained on the page on areca nut so it does not need to be here. Additionally it is only tangential to the subject of the Betel leaf itself, which is interesting as a plant on its own and also has culinary uses (I would love it if someone has good sourced information on that, I've eaten it but don't know much about the use outside Australian haute cuisine). There are several links to the information about Areca nut and Paan chewing which (including the ironic mention several times that it should not be confused with the Betel nut, which the article was doing before this major change). 
As it stands the article could do with more information about the botany of the plant and information about its use in food, or other uses not involving tobacco or Areca nut.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.56.218.250 (talk) 00:06, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Edit removing Pan/Betel Nut chewing information 

message: Basic information to add to this article:  does it produce flowers and berries/fruits? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 23:31, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article