Talk:Zoo hypothesis

message: *I don't like messing in anothers work, but it strikes me strongly that the order of relevancy and exposition in this article is ass-backwards. The older references like Clarkes, should be cited first, etc. chronologically. 
*I also doubt the list is anywhere near complete, you might want to fling the question to some long time editors like Judy Lynn DelRay at DelRay Books, and James Baen of Baen books. Both were editing when most us startrek watchers were still living at home before highschool.
*IIRC, The DelRays also compiled a history of sciencefiction that is encyclopedaic in scope. User:Fabartus || Talkto_FrankB 3 July 2005 02:04 (UTC)
*Probably should limit it to especially poignant examples of 'zoo' to illustrate the point.  I'd suggest that starcraft, for example, is excessive.  I had half a mind to put in Homeworld as a doomed Zoo.~~
*What about a blerb that discusses how south park portrayed this hypothesis as earth being an elaborate reality show for an alien race.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.107.41 (talk) 03:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit

message: *I found a reference in Stapledon's 1937 novel Star Maker which almost perfectly encapsulates the zoo hypothesis, so I added a note here, and over at the prime directive article as well. The full extract is here Steve (talk) 07:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Olaf Stapledon

message: I plan to subsume the current article's content into a History section and provide some non-fiction referrence.Julzes (talk) 16:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major editorial work coming 

message: I think of this as science, although it is an unproven hypothesis.  However, it is one that is pretty firmly grounded in scientific evidence.  Placing it under paranormal trivializes it.
Also, I was thrilled to see the recent edits/additions to the page.  More work needs to be done, but it is becoming the most extensive information readily available on the matter, which is unfortunate.  I wrote an editorial to Sky and Telescope about this that they should publish in the next couple of magazines.  
Interestingly, I thought of this whole scenario independently when I was about 19, and I have been searching for information about it ever sense.  I think is time for people to take it more seriously.
:I agree. This subject is now headline news at Google News where the article mentions a radio astronomer from MIT came up with the zoo hypothesis. This should not be in the paranormal section. 108.93.181.106 (talk) 15:56, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this really paranormal? 

message: :If the oldest civilization still present in the Milky Way has, for example, a 100-million-year time advantage over the next oldest civilization, then it is conceivable that they could be in the singular position of being able to control, monitor, influence or isolate the emergence of every civilization that follows within their sphere of influence. This is analogous to what happens on Earth within our own civilization on a daily basis, in that everyone born on this planet is born into a pre-existing system of familial associations, customs, traditions and laws that were already long established before our birth and which we have little or no control over.
A very interesting point.  And in a loose way, it nicely segues into the foundation of the simulation hypothesis.  An advanced civilization with that much control would be able to control the fabric of reality. Viriditas (talk) 04:22, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simulation hypothesis 

message: So, does this hypothesis has no critics? Nobody actually tried to even suggest that the "cosmic conspiracy" like that requires a relatively low numbers of civilizations in the close proximity? That more civilizations, more probability that the signals sent long time ago would inevitably reach us in our life time when the other civilization was supposedly "too primitive" to join the "galactic Zoo conspiracy"? That with growing number of civilizations someone will inevitably break the radio silence? Nobody tried to point that currently understood laws of physics prohibit monitoring "the primitives" from the distance at last in the given time? Or the hypothesis is considered so implausible that nobody is trying even discuss with it? Because it's staggering when I see a lot of criticism in case of Rare Earth hypothesis and lack of criticism of that one. Does all criticism is only from those who believe that space civilizations are common and located in the close proximity to Earth?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.193.208.129 (talk) 12:56, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  No criticism? 

message: This whole section could be deleted, since it has no relation to the article. Nothing about the Zoo Hypothesis implies more than a single alien civilization doing the zookeeping, and nothing about the hypothesis implies that there are more zoo habitats than Earth. It only assumes that there is at least one alien civilization watching over at least one habitat.68.49.40.87 (talk) 03:11, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Assumptions" section is nonsensical 

message: "If just one civilization acquired hegemony in the distant past, it could form an unbroken chain of taboo against rapacious colonization in favour of non-interference in any civilizations that follow. The uniformity of motive concept previously mentioned would become moot in such a situation." - this is referenced with an article of Seth Shostak suggesting that he writes there uniformity counterargument concept is moot point. I read this to the end and its complitely opposite. He writes there that its a problem for the hypothesis, becouse assumption "sounds odd, self-centered and a bit too altruistic (...) more than little forced". Probably editor tried to enforce his own belief and arguments using references with conclusions that weren't even there.
*You are correct. I have added "The main problem would be how a hegemonic civilization would block Earth from receiving all intentional or unintentional communications.", which is Shostak's point, before the cite. Johncdraper (talk) 10:50, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manipulative references 

message: Would CS Lewis's Out of the Silent Planet be an example of the Zoo Hypothesis, or would it be in another category? It seems similar to the Calvin and Hobbes comic cited, but before I was aware that the Zoo Hypothesis might be considered broad enough to include it, I personally described it as the "Quarantine Hypothesis" in which Earth is considered such a grave threat that it is under quarantine. It doesn't fit the Dark Forest since it applies only to Earth specifically. Does it fit here? Kaleb70 (talk) 08:17, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearances in fiction