Talk:Battle of the Wilderness

message: I'm afraid the Image in the middle of the article (left hand) is referring to the Battle of Chancellorsville (May 1864), not to the Battle of the Wilderness (July 1864). Bye. --Cloj 20:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mmmm... Sorry! The mistake was mine. The above image is correct (not my brain in effect...). Any way I can't see it normally. --Cloj 21:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What image are you discussing? Hal Jespersen 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistake

message: Whats with the walmart supercenter thing in the middle of the map!? Some one should fix that.I don't know how.Zanerobinette (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That map is there specifically to show the proposed Walmart location as part of the battlefield preservation section. If you mean how to fix Walmart's proposal, contact the CWPT. Hal Jespersen (talk) 22:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walmart supercenter in the middle of the map!? 

message: This article IMHO is nowhere near GA standard. While the references are adequate for B Class, more in line citations are required for GA. It would be better for the nominator to remove the nomination to work on the article, than to have it failed.Jim Sweeney (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not the nominator, but as the principal author and maintainer of the article, I also recommend withdrawing the nomination or failing the proposal, whichever is easier. Hal Jespersen (talk) 22:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nomination withdrawn, it can of course be resubmitted when ready.Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Every point and statement would need a cite to a reliable source. Jim Sweeney (talk) 20:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: This general isn't mentioned in this article, though his own wikipedia article says he was discharged for misconduct during this battle. Yet his article also mentions he received a head wound at the subsequent battle of Spottsylvania. I don't have the time (nor am I in a location) to do the research, but IMHO either his name needs clearing or a link could be added to explain ptsd/head injury treatment during the Civil War.Jweaver28 (talk) 14:30, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked Gordon Rhea's book on the Wilderness and Ward only warrants a footnote, so I don't think it's appropriate to include anything in this article about the incident, but he was accused of running from the enemy without any attempt to rally his retreating men, until one of Hancock's aides persuaded him to do so. It is unclear from the various sources exactly why he was relieved on May 12. The simple biographic references, such as Ezra Warner's, suggest that he was relieved because of his action and drunkenness at the Wilderness, but Rhea cites Francis Walker's History of the Second Army Corps as stating that David B. Birney relieved him on May 12 when he discovered him drunk on that day. Perhaps it was a combination of both. Hal Jespersen (talk) 16:50, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gen. J.H. Hobart Ward 

message: From the article it is unclear to me if the Wilderness is a name of an actual geographical place or if it is the wilderness with the meaning "an unsettled and uncultivated tract of land left in its natural state", as Wiktionary puts it. If it is a geographical place I suggest a link to be added the first time it is used to highlight that fact (even if no article exists yet). Best, Jopparn (talk) 21:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Wilderness 

message: I very specifically went to this article to find out, and I can't find it. If the name of the state is buried somewhere deep in the text, please put it right up front where it belongs with the other information of major over-all importance. 
Linstrum (talk) 01:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  In what state did the Battle of the Wilderness take place? 

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message: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/us/politics/liz-cheney-concession-speech.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-apADgOr4U
U.S. Rep Liz Cheney referenced the Battle of the Wilderness in her concession speech on August 16, 2022 with these words: 
"Our duty as citizens of this republic is not only to defend the freedom that's been handed down to us. We also have an obligation to learn from the actions of those who came before, to know the stories of grit and perseverance of the brave men and women who built and saved this union. In the lives of these great Americans, we find inspiration and purpose.
"In May of 1864, after years of war and a string of reluctant Union generals, Ulysses S. Grant met General Lee's forces at the Battle of the Wilderness. In two days of heavy fighting, the Union suffered over 17,000 casualties. At the end of that battle, General Grant faced a choice. Most assumed he would do what previous Union generals had done and retreat. On the evening of May 7, Grant began to move. As the fires of the battle still smoldered, Grant rode to the head of the column. He rode to the intersection of Brock Road and Orange Plank Road. And there, as the men of his army watched and waited, instead of turning north back towards Washington and safety, Grant turns his horse south toward Richmond and the heart of Lee's army. Refusing to retreat, he pressed on to victory. Lincoln and Grant and all who fought in our nation's tragic Civil War, including my own great-great-grandfathers, saved our Union. Their courage saved freedom. And if we listen closely, they are speaking to us down the generations. We must not idly squander what so many have fought and died for." SAshevilleNC (talk) 18:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liz Cheney concession speech August 16, 2022 

message: Can we add the casualty table back? I recall there used to be a table of casualties from the different sources as different reliable sources (The National Parks Service and the WP Atlas) disagree substantially on casualties. I know this is a settled issue on this article -- but I would like to exhibit that even though there is a scholarly majority that there is not unanimity (the Nat'l Parks service puts the casualties for the Union higher than on this article by about 1,000).  35.2.147.173 (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the last revision that contained it. @TwoScars may want to jump in about why they removed it. I thought it was neat too but maybe it doesn't fit well within the article. I don't know much about the West Point Atlas but it is interesting how much lower their Confederate casualties are versus the National Park Service. –CWenger (^ • @) 17:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The article, in the casualties section, covers various estimates and discusses why they are good or bad estimates. Some of this is discussed in footnotes. Read Note 24 that begins with "Confederate casualties are difficult to list because only 112 of 183 regiments engaged reported." Yes, the Union casualties may be low, as noted by Rhea and in Note 22. One problem with the NPS estimates is that there are no discussions on their estimates. One might also notice that the National Parks CSA number of 11,400 in the old table does not match what the National Parks Battle Detail uses (10,800). Young's numerical study appears to be the most accurate figure for CSA casualties, and that is why it is used in the InfoBox. The 17,666 total for the Union appears most often, although (as mentioned in the text and notes) that number is probably low. Perhaps the unnamed user would like to create a separate list page that has the old table (with corrections), but also discusses the strengths and weaknesses of each source's estimate. Much of that information could be copied from the footnotes. A "Further information" underneath the Casualties section header could link to the list/table.  TwoScars (talk) 18:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish I knew how to do any of that -- I would perhaps include a section about the debate about casualty numbers rather than a whole table for it since it seems like it was removed for good reason. Mentioning the influence that lost cause or lost cause lite (Foote) have had on the portrayal or representation of the casualties, or the incomplete nature of modern results would seem to be enlightening for the readers. If I was to create a new page it might be called "Controversies on the Battle of the Wilderness" which could be extensive covering casualties and narratives about the battle. 35.2.147.173 (talk) 22:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualty Table