Talk:Nanjing Massacre/Archive 2

message: ===Neutrality of translation===
I would like to question the neutrality of translating 'Jiken' to 'incident'.  This seems to show that 'other side' is trying to downplay this event which is not true.  While technically possible translation, 'Jiken' term is used very broadly in Japanese from very minor everyday incident to the like of the Tianmen Square 'Jiken' which is a bona fide masscre or the Aum cult's Sarin 'Jiken' which killed and injured more than 5000.  I suggest the use of 'event' for the translation.
Revth 17:10, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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message: I would like to question the neutrality of translating 'Jiken' to 'incident'.  This seems to show that 'other side' is trying to downplay this event which is not true.  While technically possible translation, 'Jiken' term is used very broadly in Japanese from very minor everyday incident to the like of the Tianmen Square 'Jiken' which is a bona fide masscre or the Aum cult's Sarin 'Jiken' which killed and injured more than 5000.  I suggest the use of 'event' for the translation.
Revth 17:10, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality of translation

message: ===ABC...?===
Is ist really necessary for NPOV reason to include the reference "ABC...."?
Encyclopedia should not mean that it holds every opinion of a certain timepoint. -- unsigned
I think so too. Although Japanese "ABC..." pages have some good materials, English pages are not so good. So, I changed it to another site. How about this one?Kadzuwo 01:55, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: March

message: Is ist really necessary for NPOV reason to include the reference "ABC...."?
Encyclopedia should not mean that it holds every opinion of a certain timepoint. -- unsigned
I think so too. Although Japanese "ABC..." pages have some good materials, English pages are not so good. So, I changed it to another site. How about this one?Kadzuwo 01:55, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: ABC...?

message: There is not the word "三月亡華" in Japanese language as you see.<BR>
This is a word made by China for anti-Japanese propaganda.--Kadzuwo 09:53, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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message: I would like to make some changes on this after reading Honda Katsuichi's book, (The Nanjing Massacre) an excellent account with very good reference backup. Hopefully it will clarify some areas.  Mandel 09:52, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
I've gone through some parts of the article and have removed some portions which seems insufficiently substantiated.  The problem with writing articles like this is that if it is not sufficiently documented, the right-wing Japanese will have a field-day picking out the errors and inconsistencies, then make a whole hula-point from a nitpick.  That's the problem with the Rape of Nanking book by Ms Iris Chang.  There're some misquotations and supposed poor documentation, and now it's backfired upon the author.  In short, we can't be overly careful.  For example, someone added this:
:However, by mid-1930s the city was filled with 1 million people, many of them refugees fleeing from the Japanese army which had invaded northeast China.
after one party added this:
:It should be noted that the city normally held 250,000 people.
I'll like either parties to substantiate with a reference.  I can do it for the second one, from both a Chinese website
, which states the number between 535,000 and 635,000.  Even so, I think one good reference is not enough.
There's another problem.  Apparently a lot of the writing is quoted directly from Kajimoto Masato's website  without acknowledgement at all.  It's a copyrighted website. See  for example and compare with the present article. Mandel 10:50, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
I have rewrote the category of Japanese opinion in line with Japanese Wikepedia.  This is not to state which opinion is true.  Japanese page also say Jyusumannin Ijyou = More than 100,000 and several 10 thousands.  I have adjusted this to simply "more than 100,000"  FWBOarticle 20:52, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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message: I'm reverting the suspicious edits of User:Qizil bayraq who has only 5 edits before changing this page, and has not explained controversial edits or engaged in discussion. Fuzheado | Talk 12:28, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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