Talk:Caramel shortbread

message: hi i need to know how to make caramel slices/shortbread and i need to know how many people are in australia --124.168.37.77 (talk) 08:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia dosen't tell you how to make cuisines but can't you look up Australia in the search bar on the left of the screen to find out how many people live in Australia? Kausill (talk) 12:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh and 21.7 million live in Australia... Kausill (talk) 12:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recipe Request 

message: This just doesn’t make any sense, as if it were the most common name (which I doubt) it would be the name in the article title, surely? As far as I can see, you might have some competition between “caramel shortbread” and “millionaire’s shortbread“, as the latter is widely used, but “caramel squares” wouldn’t come close (shortbread is rarely made square, more likely in fingers…). Jock123 (talk) 19:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The name is different in various regions. I'm in England, and I've personally never heard them called caramel squares over here. I call them caramel shortbread myself. Millionaire shortbread is a very common term for it (see    and ). I took "Wellington Squares" out for now, as i can't find much reference to it apart from a different recipe using Mars Bars. --82.68.11.50 (talk) 09:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most commonly called “caramel squares”? 

message: Does anyone know (or, better still, know of a source explaining) why they're called millionaire's shortbreads?
Peter Law (talk) 18:03, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was always told by my parents that it was because this is the kind of shortbread millionaire's would eat ie not plain boring shortbread, but encrusted with luxury things!  Certainly costs a damn sight more to make than plain shortbread Ewan carmichael (talk) 12:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "millionaire's shortbread"? 

message: The infobox gives its place of origin as Scotland, but the article text and two of the three sources indicate Australia (although one of these sources references the other).  I think the place of origin has to be either nailed down firmly with further sources, or removed from the article entirely. 176.24.33.44 (talk) 10:41, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish? 

message: I understand this dessert goes by a large number of different names, strongly associated with particular regions. It appears that there is an extreme amount of bias regarding name and place of origin for this sweet that has led to lessened scholarly rigour for the article.
The term 'caramel shortbread' seems to be one of the more uncommon names for the dessert. As an Australian the most common name I have come across is 'caramel slice' but it appears online that the most common name is 'millionaires shortbread'.
Therefore, I think it would be prudent to change the name of the article to 'millionaires shortbread' but I would like to hear some other peoples thoughts. 59.102.12.138 (talk) 10:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming controversy 

message: Just performed a bit of a clean up on this article.  To note a few things;
* The claim about which national cuisine it should be associated with seems to be disputed and mixed.  However, the easy solution to this is to remove all claims because none of them are sourced.  If a reliable source can be found that settles this, then please re-add.
* First appearance of a recipe in an Australian magazine certainly suggests it was known in Australia at the time, but does not settle anything about where it originated.  Obviously a there was a great deal of cultural cross over between Australia and the UK at the time.
* The source provided to support the association with the Duke of Wellington was extremely weak, and even casts uncertainty on it itself.
* Wikipedia is not a cookbook, so the inclusion of recipes and baking instructions is inappropriate.
Thanks. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Whilst the exact origin of the dessert is disputed there doesn't appear to be much dispute over associated national cuisine. it is important to distinguish that associated national cuisines and nation of of origin are separate things. A dish can also be associated with multiple cuisines (the wikipedia page for pavolva is a good example). Most sources suggests an association with either Australia and/or Scotland/Great Britain. The source 196 flavours is a good example which describes its relevance in both Australia and Scotland. Therefore it may be prudent to retain the sections on associated national cuisine as a way to denote its importance to both nations whilst remaining neutral on its country of origin. 14.2.58.80 (talk) 15:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is not favoring "Caramel slice" as the most common name. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:56, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Caramel shortbread →  – The most commonly used name for this dessert appears to be Caramel Slice. Although multiple name variants exist, when comparing search results on Google Caramel Slice consistently predominates over all other results. Renaming this article in line with this would make the article more relevant to most user searches for the topic. The lead sentence in the article will still retain its reference to other common names.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=caramel%20shortbread,caramel%20slice,millionaires%20shortbread,caramel%20squares 110.174.11.105 (talk) 06:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 June 2022 

message: Removing a big chunk but it simply wasn't supported by the sources, have looked through the sources and when information was first added. Nothing has acceptable WP:RS, heaps of WP:OR. All the Australian and Women's Weekly stuff from added by someone who cited their own blog as a reference. Other more recent sources were things like food blogs which are copy pastes of previous edits of this page. It's the Brazilian Aardvark all over again. Frond Dishlock (talk) 09:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed big chunk of article