Talk:Petro Konashevych-Sahaidachny

message: I've reverted back to the stub version.  Two anonymous edits had copied the bulk of this article from http://www.kinasevych.ca/?p=54.  —Michael Z. 2006-01-28 06:05 Z
Good to see that the article has been expanded. --Ghirla-трёп- 22:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but there's still a lot more information that could be added (which I hope, would make it FA-status).. —dima/talk/ 04:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 21:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-class review 

message: Article must be based on modern scientific sources, not russian folklore and legends. Geohem (talk) 10:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all read the : WP:NOR and WP:RELY. Leave the historical sources for professional historians. If you continue to break the rules, I will make a request to the administrator.Geohem (talk) 10:18, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Regelman was military engineer and born in 1720, its a primary source. Why you basically ignore modern scientific work, and look at the different historical tales?Geohem (talk) 08:54, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Your opinion is against the Wikipedia rules, which does not allow us to use our own appraisal. And if we want to edit in Wikipedia, we must rely on modern scientific publications. As you said, war is war. During every war civilians suffer, and it was not particularity Sahaidachny troops. I recommend you read the works of one of the best Sagaidachny  biography  researcher - P.Sas.Geohem (talk) 08:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Could you give me the answer for my:
  Finally,  one more about you attitude to the references which should be used in the article - among the references of the page, devoted Sahaidachny are used and recommended for further reading these very "old" and " not modern" authors ( among them Yavornytsky as well) 
*Yavornytsky, Dmytro (1990).
* Hetman Petro Konashevych-Sahaidachny. Dnipro.  and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary. 1906.;  
*John III Sobieski (1646). Sahaidachny, Petro Konashevych.; 
* Adrian Kashchenko (1917). A Short History of the Zaporozhian Host. Ukrainian press in Katerinoslav, Leipsig, Germany. pp. 91–92.
--zas2000 (talk) 11:09, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Obviously, these are not reliable sources. We can use them as any other Primary source and according WP:NOR with appropriate restrictions. Geohem (talk) 16:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

text: *Could you bemore certain to give reference on the wor of SAS.
* Follow of  your last reply and the  list of the recommended literature of the wiki page  we can use ( with certain restriction) : Дмитрий Иванович Яворницкий
ИСТОРИЯ ЗАПОРОЖСКИХ КАЗАКОВ 
История запорожских казаков. Т.2., ГЛАВы 9-10.
'Выйдя с "воинством своим" из Киева, он прошел на Путивль, Волхов, Белев, Козельск, Мещовск, Серпейск, Лихвин, Перемышль, Калугу и "много по пути зла сделал, пролив кровь христианскую". 
...побив в них множество мужчин, женщин, детей "до ссущих младенцев"; а потом, ворвавшись в рязанскую область, предал огню много посадов, побил несколько священников '
--zas2000 (talk) 22:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

text: First of all you can read information from this articleGeohem (talk) 13:28, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Your reply is not relevant to  my questions.    You are circling around the same point, w/o any grounds.  You have promised to draw  the admin to our discussion - it is good time to do this right now.
 --zas2000 (talk) 16:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your English is not good, so its difucult properly understand, that you are talking about. Request for administrator attention will be made, when you start to break the rules.Geohem (talk) 09:38, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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message: Kononovych isn't the father's surname but a patronymic name of Petro. And  Kononovych = Konashevych, because Konon = Konash. Юе Артеміс (talk) 21:24, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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message: Currently the lead of the article states: "Under his tenure a greater common identity developed the Cossacks, the Orthodox clergy and peasants of Ukraine, which would ultimately be inherited as a modern national consciousness". Besides this being a very odd English sentence... it is also not backed up by a reference. And besides it being in the lead so apparently it is very important information it does not seem to be in the rest of the article... (Leads are a summary of the article, a summary can not have information that is not covered elsewhere in the article.) This type of information should be covered in the legacy section of the article... but that seemed to have been removed last month without a reason given.... (I restored this section a few minutes ago) So is Sahaidachny instrumental in creating today's Ukrainian "modern national consciousness"? I personally have the idea that he only became remembered after Ukrainian independence was achieved in 1991...  — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally have the thought that Sahaidachny is the antithesis of Mykola Shchors... While the Soviet authorities tried to show Ukrainians that they should be like Shchors a friend of russia, Sahaidachny's lionisation seems to me to be an attempt to show Ukrainians that they have heroes who did not want to be united with russia (and were not so controversial as Ivan Mazepa). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Under his tenure a greater common identity developed the Cossacks, the Orthodox clergy and peasants of Ukraine, which would ultimately be inherited as a modern national consciousness