Talk:Languages of Albania

message: The Ethnologue is notoriously unreliable; I wish people would stop relying so heavily on it. The two largest errors I can see: 1. there is no way Gheg only has 300,000 speakers in Albania. The district of Shkodra which is in the heart of the Gheg speaking area alone has nearly 200,000 inhabitants. 2. Serbian isn't spoken in the southwest, it is spoken (or was, most speakers have pretty much assimilated) in the northwest near the Montenegrin border. --Chlämens (talk) 03:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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message: The current version of the article states that “Albania is one of the most polyglot nations in Europe” and cites a travel guide as the source. However, Eurostat data (cited elsewhere in the article) flatly contradicts this. Its data indicates Albanians speak an average of 1.57 languages, compared to an EU average of 2.02. In fact, it indicates Albania ranks near the bottom (31st out of 34 examined nations) in terms of its multilingualism (and fourth highest in terms of the percentage of the population speaking one language (after the UK, Romania, and Bosnia & Herzegovina).
That hardly seems to be “one of the most polyglot nations in Europe” and arguably should make it “one of the least polyglot nations in Europe.” Can anyone defend the claim from the travel guide? If not, this should be dropped because it seems to be verifiably untrue from the most authoritative data sources cited in the article. But as I don’t have that travel guide, I cannot tell if it does actually cite something authoritative enough to justify the claim (which seems quite unlikely!)
Fenevad (talk) 20:21, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The claim is certainly not true. One thing Albanians are famous for is taking foreign words and making them part of the Albanian language, but that does not make one a polyglot. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:24, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to edit the claim and cite Eurostat then. If folks get mad, I guess they will need to show their work and sources. Fenevad (talk) 21:17, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure what do you mean with "if folks get mad". This detail is not sth controversial, and no editor has ever given much attention to the degree Albanians are a polyglot nation. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:44, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just observing the rather impassioned discussion above on other items and realized that there is some sensitivity on this page that might manifest in strange ways. And someone did care enough to put in the claim at some point. Without seeing the book, I have no idea if it actually said it or if some editor at some point actually saw it as a point of pride enough to falsify it. I've edited enough of these pages to know that some people get very upset about strange things… Fenevad (talk) 02:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  ah, the map discussion that took place some years ago. Do not worry, that was a separate issue, one that involved a map with nationalism-related territorial claims. This is part of the Balkan topics, but do not worry. The detail you edited about foreign languages among Albanians is not really sth controversial. I do not expect anyone to oppose your change. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 08:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of the most polyglot nations?