Talk:Pat McFadden

message: Lets find a photo
Seems to be very  much behind-the-scenes. Can't find a proper bio anywhere. I just added his current appointment, but if you know more could you add it? Marinheiro 08:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: I am not reverting the Rt Hon business, but only the last of the refs from this edit that is even remotely persuasive, and it, like the others, really only establishes that the Department is holding McFadden out as "the Rt Hon Pat McFadden". That is not quite the same as legal entitlement. The Department could easily have started calling him that, while seeing actual formal appointment and swearing the oath as a mere formality. They have that luxury, we do not. No one has shown that mere announcement that the queen as been pleased to approve that so-and-so be appointed is enough to entitle one to using that style, nor is there any proof that he has been sworn of Council, as he is not one of the people listed in the minutes for the two PC meetings that have taken place since the reshuffle. However, dealing with people (and there have been quite a number) who cannot wait for the formalities or present actual evidence that entitlement to "Rt Hon" begins before those formalities is simply too exasperating, so do whatever you want. 
I removed the refs because they did not actually apply to the sentence they were attached to. They did not support the statement that at the time of the announcement of the ministerial post he was appointed to the Privy Council. As such, I removed them. If we really want a ref for that specific fact, we can use the No. 10 announcement of the reshuffle. I understand that the refs were put there for my benefit (although I'll note that they could have been listed here on the talk or after appropriately edited text). -Rrius (talk) 10:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You asked for refs, and I got you refs, although page 3 of this pdf is the best proof of the title, and it didn't seem appropriate to add a ref to the infobox. Darrenhusted (talk) 11:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
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