Talk:Sumo/Archive 1

message: 'dohyou' is a specific word for a sumo ring, not a generic term for 'arena'. See the Japanese wiki article on dohyou: 
Can't read that, but nice of you to change it back. I got that crazy idea from my dictionary. --Marco 20:41, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dohyou 

message: The Edo period ushered in a period of peace and stability in Japan.  Many rank and file samurai effectively lost their jobs as retainers to a lord usually because he could not afford their upkeep, and if they did they usually could not find another master. They became ronin or masterless samurai. It is one argument that some of these people formed into groups giving wrestling and other displays of strength.  These displays, which were often sponsored to help some form of local cause, did not have a good reputation at first with unauthorised fights and even deaths. However they eventually were formalised and became respectable, and in due course led to the professional organisations being formed.  Personally I am sure  that there may have been others, such as farmers etc. as well, but certainly the ronin group were a major influence.  Nashikawa 19:02, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I knew about ronin, but had never heard that many of them became rikishi. My guess would have been that wrestlers were for the most part people who had the body for it, and could have come from any class (yes, including farmers), but I wouldn't write my guess in an article. Incidentally, the article 大相撲 in the Japanese Wikipedia is one of this week's articles selected for strengthening, so if you speak Japanese, you might want to contribute to it. I don't see any mention of samurai or ronin there, so it would be a valuable addition. Fg2 22:44, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
Since reading the comments I have gone back through a number of English language books I have on Sumo, my Japanese is not quite good enough to read easily.  The three I would consider most authoratative (Grand Sumo by Lora Sharnoff, Sumo, a Pocket Guide  by Walter Long, and Sumo Watching a translation from Tsutomu Kakuma) all mention Professional Sumo's origins and the masterless Samurai issue, so I am not guessing here. Similarly there are more details on the issues related to event control issues specifically mentioned in the Walter Long book, including a period when sumo displays were banned in Edo.  The stories also all fit with my understanding of Japanese history of the time.  One method that the Shogunate used to keep control of the daimyo was to attempt ensure they were spending sufficient money that they could not afford to destabilise the ruling family from which the Shogun were drawn.  One classic example of this is the Toshogu shrine at Nikko where all the lords were expected (read forced) to contribute lavishly. Many lords ended up in debt. This policy meant that in many cases lords were unable to retain as many warrior class subordinates (or samurai) and effectively some were let go. It is also the case that most lords would have held and trained significant numbers of samurai during the period of instability preceeding the victory of Tokugawa Ieyasu. Clearly in the period that followed such numbers would not be necessary.  For a samurai who lost their master, it was difficult to get a new position with one's high class status in this climate.  Furthermore, many samurai class people who retained their lords, were actually fairly impoverished. Some took to making things such as, for example polished cherry bark artifacts in Kakunodate in Tohoku, and umbrellas elsewhere to suplement their income. These "high class" art-like production activities allowed them to make a basic living without getting involved with tasks innappropriate to their class.  Thus rank and file samurai class individuals did not have an easy time of it and it would be easy to see how strong individuals in the category would be attracted to a life in sumo, which as a martial art would be tough but at least an acceptable way of life. Nashikawa 20:00, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samurai 

message: I cant exactly remember where I first read/heard it, but doesnt Sumo has something to do with old fertility rituals, (possibly Shinto), from long before Edo?
:Rituals? Quite right. See second paragraph of article. As for fertility, I don't know. Fg2 10:46, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
On a similar note, it would be nice to include an estimate on the origin of Sumo. The article points to the Edo period as the source of modern professional Sumo, but I've heard the sport is incredibly old, possibly B.C. --Feitclub 01:18, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
I have added a brief origins section but am not an expert on this area. What is certain is that pre Edo period sumo was not the same as sumo today, as the belts/loincloths probably did not allow the belt grip techniques of today and the concept of a ring was still in development. Sumo and Shinto are linked in all sorts of ways. It is not possible to give a definitive start to sumo as it certainly evolved out of pre-written history forms of wrestling. One of the first histories of Japan even has the gods carrying out wrestling matches. I would certainly believe that the roots go back to BC times, and with no written data to go on, its roots will always be lost there in my view.
Nashikawa 23:58, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks. I knew it was a lot older than the Edo period, but the article didn't go back any further. Now it alludes to a truly ancient history. --Feitclub 04:24, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
I recently heard that in Kansai sumo was primarily Daimyo challenging each other with their best fighters whereas in Edo, where the city was still developing, Sumo was used to raise money to build Shrines. I also heard that Oda Nobunaga was a "sekkachi" guy and didn't like the long drawn-out sumo so he made the ring small and changed the rules to the modern rule of any part of your body other than the bottom of your feet touching the ground constitutes a loss. I don't have references and I heard this from my Sumo Otaku hairdresser. Has anyone else heard of any of this? --Joi 02:04, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sumo has roots in rituals of old? 

message: Famous last words?   Shini-tai boggles my mind every time, personally speaking;  and aren't we also missing the case of lift-out techniques where the lifter is allowed to himself step out?  (For which I can't recall the correct terminology.)  Alai 06:28, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've thought for some time that this section is unnecessarily long. Items 3-5 in the list are very rare, and doubtless there are other ways to be disqualified (not turning up, for example). Another exception is that a wrestler may win despite touching down first if he touched down in order to prevent injury to his opponent - Konishiki did this a few years ago. How about simplifying this section to keep only the first two items in the list, possibly with a note to the effect that there are also other ways to be disqualified. A detailed discussion of shini-tai, undone mawashi, etc. belongs further down the article or in a separate article. --Auximines 09:37, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you view re length and balance also and have modified the text to emphasise the main methods, whilst leaving comment on the more unusual methods.  What do you think? Nashikawa 18:38, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better, I think:  gives a better impression of what's usual, without claiming to give an exhaustive case-analysis.  Alai 18:58, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree, it's a great improvement! --Auximines 22:28, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The criteria for winning are fairly straightforward... 

message: How do Sumo wrestlers gain so much weight? Are people selected to be Sumo wrestlers based on genetic predisposition for gaining weight? In addition, I'm curious when in its history the large bodyweights became an important factor in Sumo. I'm interested in knowing more how weight plays a factor in Sumo, since it is rarely mentioned in the article.
:Sumotori gain weight due to muscle gain and fat gain. Muscle is gained through intensive training and often moderate weight lifting. Fat is gained by training in the morning on an empty stomach (metabolism is lower, so less fat is burned off), eating a large fat-heavy lunch (chanko), followed often by a nap (to allow the fat to be absorbed into the body before it can be used).
:Looking back several decades, most rikishi were rather slim. Yokozunas Futabayama and Taiho, for example, did not have large amounts of fat (although Taiho got a lot larger towards the end of his career). More recently, however, there has been a trend towards heavier wrestlers. The most obvious examples are the Hawaiians Konishiki, Musashimaru, and Akebono, but also Takanosato and Onokuni (both Japanese) were rather large.
:In terms of the importance of weight, a larger wrestler generally has greater balance, but much reduced speed. A lot of times the larger wrestlers tend to rely on their size rather than their technique, often using either oshi/tsukidashi or yorikiri kimarite. Technique and strength, I think, are more important than size alone. A good example is Asashoryu who is not all that large (though he has been gaining a lot of weight recently) but is clearly dominating. Another good example was Mainoumi who was so technically skilled he could beat wrestlers like Konishiki and Musashimaru despite being 1/4 their size.
:R. Durham Evans 23:55, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Mainoumi was incredible.  His quickness and technique were just unstoppable.  I remember one bout, I believe against Konishiki or Akebono (either way, a clear mismatch in size), when the two rikishi were locked up in yotsu, and in the blink of an eye, Mainoumi ducked under his aite's arm and executed a lightning quick sukuinage or shitatenage and won very cleanly.  As good as they are, I'd like to see Hakuho or Ama pull off that kind of technique against a guy Kotonowaka's size. -Tadanisakari 00:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On a recent TV appearance Asashoryu admitted that before major matches to bulk up he eats an average of 十五、二十人前 (15 to 20 times what an average man would eat) per meal. He also said that he has to be careful not to eat to much because it becomes very hard to see when his face gets too bloated, and then preceded to smile thus completely blocking out his eyes. Just in case you wanted to know :  ).   freshgavin TALK    05:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do Sumo wrestlers gain weight? 

message: It should be noted that most box seat and "tsuna-kaburi" (front row cushion seats) available to normal fans are sold through the tea houses.  The tea house sell a package with the ticket and the souvenirs.  The actual price charged for the package is much higher than the face-value of the ticket (the one time I treated myself to this it was around 3-4 times if my memory serves me correct). Thus the souvenirs are not included in the ticket price quoted by the sumo association. However, with few exceptions it is difficult to obtain the best seats without getting the whole package through one of the tea houses! (It is possible this has changed in more recent years as sumo attendances have dwindled).  Also in my fairly limited experience the souvenirs provided by the teahouses were not items that one could obtain through the sumo shop. Usually they are a little better in quality in my view and the designs were differnt. Nashikawa 22:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  memorabilia 

message: Nashikawa, I agree with your point about the ordering of the "comparisons to other martial arts" section, and after taking a look again, I think the comparisons section should be placed last (before references).  It seems it would be the least incongrous there, and it would make a nice sum-up for the article. Malnova 20:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me! Nashikawa 12:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  order of the article sections 

message: Please note that the wikilink 
* sumotalk
is inactive, at least on my computer, and I supsect many others judging by the revert battle going on here.  "" can you please check the link's web address carefully and ensure that it is fully active before including it on this page. Can I also suggest that you follow the rules here and have a discussion about the issues rather than continuously overriding the deletions of various people.  Admittedly it would be best if people gave their reasoning for deleting the link, but in any case it would be best if "" could add to the disucssion here before readding the link...Nashikawa 12:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just checked and the correct weblink is sumotalk.com, not sumotalk.net.  I have added the link back in with the corrected version.  The website is a sumonews one and seems appropriate in that context.Nashikawa 12:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Does that make it unsuitable for inclusion? A website with commentary and opinion on a sport seems ok to me (as long as it is good and up-to-date). (PS can you please remember to sign your talk contributions using ~~~~. This will give a name and date/time stamp for your contribution.) Nashikawa 22:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  http://www.sumotalk.net/ sumotalk 

message: I've read at least one article about sumou's growing appeal to non-Japanese wrestlers -- primarily Hawai'ians and Mongols, but also whites. There's even been talk of making it an Olympic sport. It's kind of a big issue both because it's unusual (sumou being a quintessentially Japanese pursuit) and because some authorities have decried the foreign influence. Isn't this a worthy issue to include in here? Brutannica 04:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as it's substantiated and well integrated into the article, I don't see why not. Malnova 09:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Sumou 

message: The recent info added about Takanohana et al is really info for their individual articles, as the info is not about Sumo directly per se USER:MALNOVA
:I agree and have deleted the text. Both Taka and Waka have their own pages, which are linked and that is the place for such detail Nashikawa 22:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Takanohana 

message: And how much is a Yen? The salary section told me nothing. --Striver 18:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a wikilink to the currency page -- this includes a dollar - yen exchange history, although it looks like it could be updated... Nashikawa 22:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yen 

message: There is some discussion on the Asashoryu talk page about whether wrestler pages should be given as family name first as most are at the moment or given as given name first which arguably conforms to the manual of style.  If you have a view on this please look at the discussion and add an opinion, as what is decided here will probably have to become the standard for all sumo wrestler pages. Nashikawa 22:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sumo names 

message: Could someone add a section as to what the rankings descending from Yokozuna are?  I think that'd be appropriate for this article. (Stuey 182 01:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sumo Rankings 

message: The Professional Sumo tournaments section does not seem to say anything about who fights who. I understand this is a bit of a smoke filled room process with lots of discussions of the merits of the fighters and various match ups. Can any information on this be added? crandles 19:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a paragraph -- what do you think.. Nashikawa 21:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who fights who? 

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thread_title:  GA Re-Review and In-line citations 

message: Does anybody have any more information about the rules used in a sumo match? Are there any more rules than the ones listed in the article? For example, is it a rule to touch the ground to start the bout, or is that more of a custom? More inside would be appreciated.
Sneeka2 09:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sumo Rules 

message: I think it could be a good idea to add a link to the non-commercial website www.sumo.it in italian. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.208.36.89 (talk) 21:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm...this is the English wikipedia. --Auximines 21:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New external link 

message: I have answers to most of the Sumo wrestling questions you have! Just Go to edit this page and then post them below this and I will check this page frequently and answer your questions! Thank You, Heaphy
:No, people shouldn't do that. This is for discussing edits to the article, not a general discussion forum on the subject. If there's anything from Wikipedia's articles on Sumo you feel is lacking, you should edit them to correct that. TCC (talk) (contribs) 21:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Answers 

message: The article is quite informative, but fails a number of GA criteria, in my opinion.  I'm recommending for delisting. Please visit the review page to support or oppose. Bradford44 19:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:GA/R|Good Article Review]] recommending delisting 

message: Does anyone have any info about sumo retirement ceremonies
Chris Ssk 01:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement ceremony 

message: Some of these people can be really fat... is that healthy? Some info on there strength and health conditions? --Colinstu 04:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Their body mass is made up of both a lot of fat and a lot of muscle.  Their constant exercise and strength training pretty much counteracts most of the problems they'd otherwise experience with their weight, and their diet, while very high in calories, is very low in fat (mostly carbs and proteins) which limits cardiovasvular problems.  Their high strength limits the joint and mobility issues which would otherwise be associated with their weight.  Mmost sumo wrestlers are considered in great health, significantly better than the average for Japanese.  However  retired wrestlers can start to have problems later in life when they're no longer able to exercise as strenuously as before... they tend to have problems with diabetes, high blood pressure, and the typical problems usually associated with obesity later in life, and their overall life expectancy is about 10 years less than the overall norm for Japanese males (about 60 to 65 usually).  24.8.252.164 (talk) 01:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  health? 

message: This is a video explaining sumo technique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t1gFeIXOtI
Should a link be added?
133.11.95.55 12:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  sumo technique video 

message: When these are put up, we should remember to add a reference/source to show where the information is coming from.  It shouldn't be too difficult to add that information, which is actually required, anyways.XinJeisan 16:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As all the tables added so far are mine, I thought it my responsibility to add them, which I have done for every full table I have done so far. The retired wrestlers' tables (Chiyonofuji) that only show yusho have not been referenced yet. I thought I would save that for when the all tourny info is filled in.Malnova 02:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: I have spent the past few weeks watching and participating at Akebono watching the repeated blanking the page due to lack of sources.  It seems that many sumo pages lack sources. This could be improved if we started a wikiproject. Then, the conversation above could also be done on the Sumo Wikiproject page.  I am not sure about the process to create a wikiproject for sumo, but, I think it would be a good idea.  What do you think here? XinJeisan 21:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The best book on sumo I've read is definitely Lorna Sharnoff's "Grand Sumo" (1993); indeed I've used it as a source for several articles such as Takanosato and Wajima. It's excellent on the rituals and history too! Pawnkingthree 16:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I have posted a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals for Wikiproject Sumo, please sign up!  It is proposal 1.116. If someone can edit this to link directly to that section, I don't know how, please go ahead.  Thanks.XinJeisan 16:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I created a page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sumo so that everyone could feel comfortable to move discussions on sumo in general over there and get working on that.  XinJeisan 13:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry, last I looked it seemed the main project page wasn't being used (or I couldn't find it anyway).  I have since merged all the additions into the main project page.  Thanks.Malnova 07:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sumo Wikiproject 

message: I just added a table of "top kinboshi earners" to the Kinboshi article.  Take a look.  Any feedback, ideas are welcome. Except for the "status" of each man on the list, I got the numbers from here:  and there is a lot more info on this page that could be used for other makuuchi tables if anyone is feeling inspired.  I am sure there are similar tables in English somewhere, but this Japanese list was the best I could find. Malnova 08:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kinboshi table 

message: Following the example of the sumo kyokai's official page and the Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Foreign terms, I just went through the kinboshi article and did it by hand and realized how long this would take to do on a large scale.  I have very little idea of how bots work, but is there a bot already made that can go through the sumo articles and italicize and/or decapitalize the Japanese terms?  I know you have to "request" one, and was wondering about the feasibility of such a bot and the consensus for doing such a thing across sumo wiki articles. Malnova 20:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  italicizing bot? 

message: I think it would be a good idea to try to get rid of that "no sources" tag at the top of the article.  It really doesn't look good to have the core sumo article on Wikipedia having such a prominent tag.  I don't remember if this tag came before or after someone put a source list at the bottom, but I suspect we are going to have to put footnotes throughout the text before we can get the tag taken off. Malnova 02:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lots of footnotes is the usual standard, yes. Tags like this aren't too uncommon for older articles written back when a simple list of references at the end was considered sufficient. After the rule changed, many featured and good articles got downgraded. But I can see I'm going to have to start looking for books. TCC (talk) (contribs) 02:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Online sources as well are acceptable, no? Malnova 02:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're fine, but they may be rather limited, depending on what we're trying to reference. TCC (talk) (contribs) 03:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are now enough footnotes to justify taking the tag down.  Additionally, "References and footnotes" can be just called "References", but the "Books" section needs a more precise title.  Were those books used as references, or are they just for further reading? There is nothing wrong with a "Further reading" section. Bradford44 14:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I've put some in and I think that should be enough to remove the tag. Pawnkingthree 16:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Under Bout preparation, the article says that "There are no weight divisions in sumo".  Under Amateur sumo, it says that amateur tournaments under the International Sumo Federation are divided into weight classes.  Presumably the first sentence just needs some words added, like "typically in sumo" or "in professional sumo" or "in sumo (except in the ISF)" or some other variation, whatever is correct. But I would not presume to know what is the correct correction, so I've just tagged the contradiction and am leaving it for someone who knows what they're talking about to fix.
Please post any discussion here.
--142.205.241.254 (talk) 19:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, this is easy enough to fix, will do so immediately. FourTildes (talk) 21:13, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction: weight divisions 

message: I've noticed all Asian martial arts articles tend to have drifted from the Wikipedia:Manual of Style, specifically in relation to: -
Foreign words should be used sparingly. 
Some topics are intrinsically technical, but editors should try to make them understandable to as many readers as possible. Minimize jargon, or at least explain it; or tag it using  or  for other editors to fix. 
In the case of this article, Sumo, it appears that the lead in paragraph obeys the manual of style almost perfectly, but the further down the article you get the quality drops sharply. Rather than having to click on every foreign and / or technical word I find to learn the description, the description (which in most cases is a word, possibly two or three at most) should be used in the article with the foreign word in parentheses thereafter. BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 17:29, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manual of Style Issues 

message: I started out moving sentences around that were misplace and clarifying other areas, but I finally decided to handle some of the bloat.  Sumo and shinto and Controversies were big enough (and secondary enough) to be moved to their own articles.  Eastern martial arts in comparison to sumo, former rikishi in mixed martial arts, and memorabilia all had small sections and are largely irrelevant.  It was a hard choice (the memorabilia section was one of my first contributions to wikipedia).  They are not forgotten.  I am thinking a lot of it could be integrated into a full-fledged Rikishi article, and I have saved all of the text. FourTildes (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So I think the sumo article is much more digestible now. The first two sections I took out have been moved to two new not too short articles: Controversies in sumo and Shinto origins of sumo.  I never really took a good look at how convoluted that Shinto origins section had become, but I tried to fix it up for it's article debut.  Both of these articles are linked in the sumo article so will hopefully still get attention.  The remaining sections I took out: memorabilia, difference from martial arts, mixed martial ex-rikishi, and foreign participation have all been integrated into rikishi which is no longer a redirect and which also has extra summaries of rikishi life etc. at the beginning.  I made the decision to keep in Life as a pro rikishi material in the main article, because I think it touches the most on what makes the world of sumo so different, even though it might well fit in the heya article or the rikishi article.  I also thought the salary info was important enough, as again it is different from most sports.  I made the mistake of thinking I could look at the Japanese sumo article for guidance.  I have never seen such a bloated mess in a wikipedia article.  Everything is there all wiggledy piggledy (always wanted to say that.  Anyway.. FourTildes (talk) 07:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Article surgery

message: Is there any interest in trying to get Sumo at least relisted as a Good Article with a view towards Featured Article - I noticed the work done by User talk:FourTildes and really don't think it is that far off.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article relisting

message: Dear Wikipedia,
The article "Sumo" is not clear as to whether or not Sumo originated in Japan or China. The info box on the right says China, and the article body says Japan.
I am not a Sumo expert and cannot clarify this issue on my own; it is my hope that among you exists an individual who can rectify this situation.
Sincerely,
Spockanori  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spockanori (talk • contribs) 01:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Sumo originate in Japan or China? 

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message: I feel that to improve the page there should be talk about how sumo has declined due to modernization in Japan. It guides the reader to a then and now perspective.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MariaAlvar40 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Decline In Sumo.  

message: This article does not mention anything about the Chinese origins of sumo. Tooironic (talk) 01:58, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be a  problem. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:38, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: G'day! I just read it on Baidu. No reference yet. Tooironic (talk) 11:29, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing information 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Is there a way to put that in there? I've seen it for other leagues. Sumo's only in Japan, so I think it'd be good to put it here. Alacrity25 (talk) 03:18, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Season

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: Are there any articles on individual bashos? If not, I'm going to try to get started on them. Alacrity25 (talk) 15:42, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No there aren’t. We do have numerous articles covering individual years in sumo, see List of years in sumo. I have been focusing on expanding those, but I guess a really memorable basho could merit its own article.Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't fully understand. Aren't the bashos the equivalent of Grand Slam tournaments, in say, tennis or golf? 18:18, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed they are, and of course there are articles on individual Grand Slam golf and tennis tournaments, but I prefer to cover the six bashos at one time in a article on the sumo "season", eg 2017 in sumo. Doing articles on individual tournaments is not something I'd considered before. But if you want to create Grand Sumo Tournament January 2018 or something similar then go ahead. You would of course, need reliable sources to use as references - some useful ones are listed at the WikiProject Sumo page.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:29, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sounds good! I will try to make a draft. I'm sure we could eventually make templates and what not for the statistical stuff, but as with the notable tournaments in other sports, those things should be supplementary to the main content. Alacrity25 (talk) 19:30, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
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