Talk:San Diego International Airport

message: A quick look at this talk page will reveal the previous intro description of SDIA as "the busiest, most difficult single runway in the world" has met with some controversy over the way it may be interpreted by those without aviation expertise. I have, in the past, defended this description and its placement in the article intro. However, over time I have come to perceive some issues with it. Namely that it is, well, in all likelihood not true.
SDIA is not the busiest single runway in the world. Each of the runways at London Heathrow see more traffic per day than SDIA's, and as noted in the article both Mumbai Airport and London Gatwick are busier in passenger numbers. As for difficulty, SDIA does not have the steepest approach into a commercial airport in the world (both London City Airport and Aspen/Pitkin County Airport are steeper), a variety of airports have shorter landing areas, and several are more well known for challenging tailwinds (such as Madeira Airport). To be the busiest, most difficult single runway in the world sets an extremely high bar, one that veers into hyperbole. This not not helped by the source being an SD community planning group member with no aviation background, nor evidence of having surveyed airports worldwide before proclaiming SDIA as outdoing every other airport on the planet in busyness and difficulty.
But removing all mention of SDIA's landing approach from the intro, as others have suggested, would not be appropriate. It is one of the more distinctive features of the airport, and commonly mentioned in discussions about SDIA. I have attempted to edit the intro into a form which strays clear of dubious opinions and sticks closer to citable facts for which SDIA's landing approach is well known for.Voteins (talk) 06:15, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro Edit 

message: *Press release from Congressman Bob Filner, September 25, 2003
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ca51_filner/20030925airport.html
* "Filner keeps Imperial County on list of possible airport sites: Desert location still a long shot"
Jeff Ristine, San Diego Union Tribune, May 3, 2005.
* Float Incorporated: Floating Ocean Real Estate
http://www.floatinc.com/Floatport.html
Tobycat 20:29, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for relocation proposal content

message: This message is for the poster with IP address 71.136.142.2.  Please adhere to Wikipedia's NPOV policies with respect to your edits about Miramar dual use.  Also keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a place for future speculation and opinion, and it is certainly not a place to further agendas.  That said, please restrict your additions to this section to facts.  Thank you.
--IRelayer 19:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Message to IP address 71.136.142.2  

message: SAN technology is used in millions of offices and companies AROUND THE WORLD! The obscure aviators-only code of a second-tier US domestic airport does not hold a candle to it in importance. SAN should point to Storage Area network, because this is en.wikipedia.org, not us.wikipedia.org! 195.70.32.136 17:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: SAN is not an "obscure, aviators-only code" - frequent travelers around the world know and use three-letter IATA airport codes to refer to cities and airports. A Google search for SAN reveals that San Diego International Airport is the first search result. Primary topic disambiguation is clearly called for in this case. FCYTravis 23:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Storage Area Network is 10**6 times more important 

message: The "Relocation proposals" section of this article, in particular the first paragraph, seems rather biased towards making a pro-new airport argument.  Sources for various claims such as capacity need to be cited, and I'm not sure how "To claim otherwise is absurd" can pass for non-neutral.  Tagged for POV check. -- Hawaiian717 18:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are right.  It was atrocious.  I removed the worst of the opinionated language and authoritative predictions of the future.  The section now needs references.  I removed the POV tag and replaced with with an "unreferenced" tag.  Hopefully you will agree this is a step in the right direction.  I'll try to help with the references when I have more time. Johntex\talk 02:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks much better, thanks.  I'll also look and try to dig up some references. -- Hawaiian717 04:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality of "Relocation proposals" section 

message: Are we absolutly sure that Virgin Atlantic Airways will start service to San Diego in 2008. All of their aircraft are long haul wide-body aircraft and the largest plane that I know of that can land and stop at SAN effectively is the Boeing 767. Other planes however can land, but must come in at the lowest manuverable speed. So all I'm saying is, would Virgin Atlantic be able to service this airport? 
And London Gatwick has a maintenence runway for backup if there is an accident on the main runway. 76.88.107.42 23:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  I've tagged both Virgin Atlantic and Virgin America as needing citations.  As far as larger aircraft go, the problem I've usually heard is more of an issue of being able to take off with a sufficient payload to actually make money on a long haul flight.  FedEx regularly uses the DC-10 into SAN, and British Airways used to use the 747-400 (flying to and from Phoenix) and the 777-200 (nonstop to and from London; initially Gatwick and later Heathrow) into SAN. -- Hawaiian717 00:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virgin Atlantic Service 

message: San Diego made the 2006 list for the top 30 busiest airports in the United States, with a rank of 30. The ranking was determined by the amount of passengers that pass through the airport annually. 
San Diego International was ranked #1 on the list of the busiest uni-runway airports in the United States. --Press208 00:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Wikipedia is not a blog. While interesting, this info really has no place on this Talk page. Try airliners.net or some other forum. If you do think it's worth inclusion, just add to it to the article in a relevant section.Thedjb 05:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top 30 Airport/2006 Records 

message: I don´t know how to edit these but CMH, PIT, and soon CLE have to be removed.  More importantly, I think these maps can create confusion between non-stop and direct destinations.  For example, MEX is a one-stop (SJD), direct, no-plane-change AM destination.  It might lead some readers to believe that it is a non-stop destination due to the way it is shown here.  I suggest that we either fix this error (but there may be others like it) or replace the map with one similar to the one on the O'Hare page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.217.122.249 (talk) 16:01, 2 September 2008
:I have made the updates. Sox23 23:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, MKE needs to be removed since AirTran has ended service.  Thanks. Deus Caritas Est (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Destination Maps 

message: I think the wording of this section needs to be changed because it sounds misleading.  Tijuana's airport's existence does not depend solely on the lack of international flights from San Diego.  Rather, it serves the more than one million people who live there and on the side, it handles many Southern Californians, most of whom are headed to Mexican destinations since the domestic (Mexican) flights offered from TIJ are cheaper and more convenient (non-stop, etc) than international ones departing from the US.  Furthermore, I suggest shifting the information about flights to Tokyo and Shanghai to go after the Mexican destinations.  Currently, it sounds as if its primary focus is intercontinental flights when in reality it is domestic (Mexican) flights.  In fact, part of the reason why Tijuana has intercontinental flights is Mexico City's high altitude which diminishes the performance of aircraft, thus requiring a fuel stop-over on the way to Asia.Deus Caritas Est (talk) 23:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Airport 

message: Convair built passenger jets at Lindbergh Field in the 1950s and 1960s.  Check Convair 880 and Convair 990.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.151.197 (talk) 03:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convair at SAN 

message: I think it should be noted that Lindbergh Field is the only airport that I know of that sets aside a portion of its infield as a seasonal nesting area for an endangered species called the California Least Tern. 68.111.246.29 (talk) 01:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endangered species habitat 

message: I have recently reverted information removal by an IP user.  The user did not provide an edit summary for the two edits that were made, and did not give a good reason why the information should be removed.  If that IP user would like to discuss improving the article by removing said information I would like to provide this section for that discussion.  Thank you. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information blanking 

message: I've reverted runway usage quite a few times by people who keep quoting that one pilot-column writer in USA Today that SAN goes to east runway in fog. For the record, there is dense fog this morning and SAN is in 9/27 operation until the ceiling goes up to 700 feet or so. If there's any doubt, looking up flight tracks and ATC recordings (publicly available on the internet) for Monday morning, April 26, 2010 will be more reliable than one pilot. HkCaGu (talk) 13:41, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low IFR/fog and 9/27 operation 

message: Also gave a better explaination of the reverse flow.
SAN is in east to west flow below 2 miles vis for 27.  Some carriers will use 27 for departures due to weight penalties while everyone else uses 9 for arrivals and departures.  This occurs about 6% fo the time at the airport (one day where the vis was marginal isn't very reliable either).  Also cleaned up new approach info, and delcared distance info that was recently published in the charts Ruwnay 9 is now 1,121 feet shorter than runway 27 mathematically, but not physically.  Under "Relocation" the sentence stated that the airport claimesd it would reach capacity in 2015-2022.  That's not what the source says.  What is says is that it will be constrained, meaning congested.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.159.229.128 (talk) 04:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up some changes that have taken place and published in the charts. 

message: There is no ILS approach from the east. I think this is useful information that should be included on the wiki. This is one of the reasons why during fog conditions they will require reverse operations. In fact, even during bad weather, if you can not spot the runway within a certain threshold a pilot is required to declare a missed approach. You can see the specifications here: http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSAN
venomgyz (talk) 07:52, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ILS does not exist for runway 27 

message: This is inaccurate: Gatwick is also single-use and carries nearly twice as many passengers. Equally, when I was checking the CAA Statistics on 2010 airport use I saw that London Stansted (also single-runway) carried 18,562,000 passengers in 2010 Link here- more than the 18.3m quoted for San Diego in this article. Any suggestions on that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.17.22 (talk)  16:35, 16 November 2011‎ (UTC)
What you are saying is innacurate.  San Diego had 18.9 million passengers in 2010 not 18.3 million.  It was listed that San Diego was the second busiest behind Gatwick, which it still is (even though Gatwick technically has two runways) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.69.234.2 (talk) 22:31, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  'World's busiest single-runway airport'. Also - Stansted issue 

message: Removed "viewing area" section.  It talked about people viewing planes then went off on a strange tangent about Miramar and the military that made no sense at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.69.234.2 (talk) 22:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Viewing Area 

message: It appears from the departure proceedure charts that the obstruction issue is improved a slightly.  Updated this info.  Could be a result of the airport wanting to improve the capability for British Airways that operates with a weight penalty.  The 777-200ER has a Max takeoff weight of 656,000-pounds for 5,000 miles but it's limited to about 600k at SAN.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.206.245 (talk) 03:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Climb Gradients

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message: I see that the name "Lindbergh Field" has been removed from the lead section. This appears to be in violation of the guideline WP:OTHERNAMES. The name can be verified in multiple reliable sources and should be re-added. What are your thoughts on this ?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:01, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for catching this, RCLC! I see it was removed way back in July  and I totally missed it. I will restore it. --MelanieN (talk) 17:43, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate name 

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message: When I first arrived in San Diego in April of 1975, I departed the plane via "airstairs" to the tarmac, then walked into the terminal at ground-level.  I believe Terminal 1 then looked much as it did when first built (http://departedwings.com/The%20Airports/SAN/San%20Diego.html).
I'm trying to remember when the construction of the second story was started.  I do recall some flights when the ground-level gates were a mess due to the construction above.  I also remember the first time I went "upstairs" to board via a jetway, though I'm not sure of the date (perhaps in 1977?).
Is this history known or available?  My searches have failed to locate it online.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcunning (talk • contribs) 17:27, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of second level to Terminal 1 for Jetways? 

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message: Does anyone know why the commuter terminal close down?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clrichey (talk • contribs) 02:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commuter terminal closure reasons?