Talk:Tightlacing/Archive 1

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Current tightlacers usually have a partner, called a trainer, to help and support them. The partner might take on any of the following tasks:
help the tightlacer put on and take off the corset 
help him or her stick to the training schedule 
monitor the corset wearer's health 
monitor body changes and keep a log [1] (http://www.waspcreations.com/tp1.htm) 
Current tightlacers are often - but not necessarily - in a sexual and/or loving relationship with their trainer.''
I don't really like it, it is like straying off the topic, especially the part about sex... And it is not really neutral. Many tightlacers are single and/or want to do do their corsetting by themselves. At least I know my body best so I want to be the one pulling the laces. And I know many tightlacers that have reached very narrow waist measurements and doing it themselves. 
The section may remain but by then I want someone to add that there's many single tightlacers (or people in relations but wanting to do themselves).
I'm sorry for not doing it myself, but I feel that my English and my knowledge in this matter is not good enough (I know that I'm bad writing in English, unlike some one here....)
:I don't think it is straying off the topic; the day-to-day processes and procedures that a lot of tightlacers lay down for themselves (and their trainers) are an intrinsic part of tightlacing. This is especially true when BDSM is a part of that trainer-tightlacer relationship because it adds to the elements of control and submission. Also, many corset wearers have been prompted to start tightlacing by a boyfriend or a husband, or have not pursued their interest in tightlacing until they were in a relationship - see, for example, Ethel Granger, Cathie Jung, Amy of Wasp Creations, and Sylphide. I believe that the majority of tightlacers are part of a partnership - still, I do think it's worth adding something about single tightlacers.
:- Katherine Shaw 09:41, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
::Self Tightlacing see narcissism, but mirrors was commen in advertising of corset.
::In old days the mother or boarding school support the Tight lacing.
::Haabet 14:31, 2004 Dec 2 (UTC)
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What kind of crap is that? Please have a look at the external link! --KF 11:17, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

message: Haabet said:
"You have a possible opinion and I have a negative opinion, but I can argue the negative opinion."
Haabet, you can't argue properly when you can't write English! 
The problem with your arguments is that you have NO contemporary references, not one. You keep bringing up 100-year-old medical opinions, from the height of the anti-corset movement, as if they were contemporary. But at the present time, only a tiny sub-culture of enthusiasts practices tight-lacing. No one is upset about it, no one is worried about it, no one is crusading against it -- except you. Because of personal experiences, which we cannot properly evaluate. We don't know if your friends were proceeding with all due caution or if they were breaking all the safety rules. 
Now it might very well be a good idea to have more in Wikipedia about the dress reform and anti-corset movement. I keep meaning to write the article. Perhaps also more in the tightlacing article about the anti-corset movement. But we really can't say that there's a contemporary anti-corset movement if it consists of one guy from Denmark who writes in fractured English. Zora 21:02, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can Haabet argue?