Talk:John Alden

message: Were all of Martha Stewart's parents parents born in Poland ?
That's what I found on the web, and it makes me wonder if she really is descended of John Alden. If she is fine, leave it in there, 'cause the last time I did any Alden stuff here the entire article got deleted, and I never did find out why. So, can somebody who is aware of what is actually true either source this or delete the assertion if it is untrue ?
John5Russell3Finley 18:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martha Stewart 

message: In the "Notable Descendants" section is listed the "Baldwin Brothers."
It links to a page about a music group called the "Baldwin Brothers," while giving the impression it might be referring to the brothers Baldwin who are actors.  Furthermore, if the reference is to the actors, there are no sources that link them to John Alden, but, rather, are listed as descendants of John Howland. I recommend removing the "Baldwin Brothers" link from the John Alden page.
see http://www.familyforest.com/Mayflower_Descendants.html
Incidentally, also, the line to Marilyn Monroe is through Stanley Gifford, who some have alleged might be her father. It is unproven. I recommend adding an "unproven" superscript note next to her name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tstamps (talk • contribs) 03:05, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Descendants of John Alden 

message: As the article itself states, John Alden was a carpenter on the Mayflower, not a Pilgrim. He did not come to North America for religious reasons. The designation John Alden (Pilgrim) for this article is therefore inaccurate and misleading. Suggest instead John Alden (Plymouth Colonist), John Alden (Colonist), John Alden (Settler), John Alden (Mayflower Passenger) or some other term that is not laden with historically inaccurate interpretations. Netmouse (talk) 01:43, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here independently to make the same suggestion.  I would go further and suggest that this man's article should be John Alden, with an  to his much less important son, John Alden (sailor).. . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs)  11:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

text: If you read the article for the Mayflower Compact, it was clearly a social contract establishing the Plymouth Colony, and has nothing to do with whether or not a person was a pilgrim, as only about half the colonists were pilgrims. Alden was of course a colonist.  However, he was not a Pilgrim, as he did not embark on the Mayflower trip for religious reasons. Netmouse (talk) 16:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Recommend renaming article - not a Pilgrim

message: The current entry contains the following: "However, there are no further occurrences of the names George, Richard, and Avys in his family which would have been unusual in the seventeenth century."
This observation about the naming patterns would hold true among most Christian families in the 17th c. But among Puritan families, this was not so. The Puritans wanted to "purify" their church and their society of anything not found in the Bible; let family traditions dating back hundreds of years be cast out. Puritans bestowed on their children Old Testament names: (Sarah, Rebecca, Jacob, Joseph), and virtue names (Constance, Prudence, Faith). If you will study the names of John and Priscilla Alden's children, you will note that the names chosen very much conform to the pattern of the typical Puritan family. 
Ivain 
21:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Aldens' childrens' names 

message: This fact was uncited and not verifiable but maybe it's supposed to go with another Alden or elsewhere? Leaving it here just in case. One of the children, Hannah, was the grandmother of John Adams, second President of the United States. Jessamyn (talk) 16:07, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Child Hannah? 

message: According to WP:MOS, articles really ought to be prose and lists should really be kept to a minimum. I'm familiar with the strong genealogical tradition surrounding Mayflower families, and so I can certainly understand the interest in listing notable descendants. However, most biographical articles in Wikipedia do not include lists of descendants. So this seems an inconsistency. And such a list does not illuminate the life of the subject in any way. Although not too long here, on other Mayflower passenger pages, the list of descendants can really overwhelm the page. Would suggest a separate "list of descendants" page as has already been done for William Bradford.
Historical Perspective 2 (talk) 18:22, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing "Notable Descendants" section