Talk:Pompano Beach, Florida

message: Oh, and photographs.  This article could use more photographs.  Nice pictures preferably.  Not of strip clubs.  (Like the one on the way to the turnpike, Cheetah's III, or the one within view of those poor inmates at the Conte jail... what is it, Pink Pussycat?) Bastique▼parler voir 14:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again it is not a fact that Pompano beach is known locally for its strip clubs. I have lived her my whole life and I have NEVER told someone I'm from Pompano and they go "OH, the town with the strip clubs." Let me also say I was the one to contribute to the positive things such as the feature in CNN money and the East CRA. Furthermore, Deerfield beach has just as many less polished areas as Pompano, just look at Tedder and the areas west of dixie. This is also reflected in the fact that the per capita income for both cities are about the same, actually Pompano's is higher! I also find it ridiculous that the person from Fort Lauderdale has the nerve to write negative comments about Pompano and then not look at the city they live, which has more strip clubs and has as bad or worse areas than Pompano. I would think since you're being so "unbiased" about Pomapno Beach you should also be so about the city you live in, which I would think you know better than Pompano. Once again, you may say that the western areas of the city are in desperate need of repair and have high crime rates, but saying it is known locally for its strip clubs is ridiculous and very POV and I don't think Pompano sohould be labeled for that when basically every other city has them. I could say that Fort Lauderdale (Fort Liquordale) is known nationally as a sleazy beach town, but I wouldn't say that because although it is an aspect of that city, I don't think it reflects the city in general. The crime statistics aren't necessarily representative of the city's true level of crime. Pompano responds  to anything and records everything, so for example, this is a true, a grandmother called the police to say her granddaughter stole her car, the police respond, five minutes later the granddaughter returns, the grandmother doesn't press charges- the incident goes down as car robbery. Bribery Scandals, any city can have that- and funny those "scandals" were never substantiated and to this day remain speculation. The loss of the police department is not necessarily a bad thing, the original intent was to save taxpayer's money with the same service for less, which honestly is not what we got but once again the original intent was good. As for mismanaged funds in Pompano, are you kidding me I've never heard that one, obviously the person from Fort Lauderdale doesn't know why there tax rate went up almost 33 percent last year. For your information, Bada Bing is no longer open so you won't be able to use that "landmark" in your directions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.146.65.117 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 7 February 2006   (UTC)
# I think you need to read WP:CIVIL.  I wasn't rude to you, you should not be rude to me.
# The sign is still up, therefore Bada Bing makes a worthwhile landmark. 
# Fort Lauderdale's tax rate hike and recent bankrupcy is well worth article inclusion.  Want to contribute?
# For the first time, you actually didn't entirely delete the "offending" sentence in question.  Maybe something we've said here got through to you?
Bastique▼parler voir 23:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: First off, Sofla954, I want to thank you. I think we are very close to a compromise on the strip club issue. As Wikipedia is supposed to work on the basis of consensus, that is undoubtedly a good thing. However, I wanted to call attention to some errors in your "scathing" previous post. 
1) I have lived in Deerfield for 15 years and Broward my whole life and I have in fact heard Pompano associated with strip clubs many times, although this is not really about what we have "heard" or have not heard.
2)Thank you for those contributions about redevelopment -- they were useful. Maybe you should contribute under your username so we can give credit where it is due.
3) Good point about Tedder -- although it is only fair to mention that Deerfield only annexed Tedder a few years ago, after basically being forced to do so by the state. Oh yes, and you might benefit from a look at the political process leading to the annexation of the formerly unincorproated ares betweeen the two cities. Basically, as the record shows, Pompano tried to annex all of these areas (Pompano really wanted to hit the 100,000 mark) but was rebuffed by the residents in a referendum -- apparently these folks didn't think Pompano was so great. Also, note that unlike Collier City which was built as substandard housing for exploited sharecroppers (look at the history if you don;t want to believe this) and has basically always been a dump, Tedder homes (and the other more troubled areas of Deerfield), though they have had some problems, has decent housing stock and until the 1970s (construction of housing projects) and 1980s (general urban decline / increased segregation) was a largely working class / middle income neighborhood (and to a great extent it still is). Also, a process is underway to replace most of these housing projects with decent workforce housing and, more generally, the conditon of the neighborhood is on the upswing. Also, while this part of Deerfield generally has decent, well constructed, reasonably sized housing stock, much of Collier City consists of what might be generously described as tenemants and cracker-boxes. Also, the public housing in the troubled area of Pompano is way, way more decrepid than the public housing in the part of Deerfield you mention. It is also worth noting that an increasingly large percentage of Deerfield's "rundown" area is populated by industrious immigrants of Afro-Carribean and Brazillian descent who are hardworking and on but their first step towards the American Dream]. On the other hand, the area of Pompano you speak of is much more typical urban poverty, a legacy, generally, of the region's racist past and the fact that many of these residents are the stagnant descendents of the exploited sharecroppers I mentioned above. Also, a glance at history will show you that, even during segregation, Deerfield's African American community was generally much more working class and middle income in character than Pompano's.
4) Deerfield's per capita GDP ($23,296) is roughly the same as Pompano's ($23,938). Moreover, Deerfield's figure is deceptive, as over 10% of Deerfield's population lives in Century Village -- most of the Village's population consists of retired individuals on low fixed incomes (frequently meager pensions from largely blue collar careers). On the other hand, the poverty in Pompano is of the poor family type (as opposed to limtied income retiree variety), this is borne out by the fact that while 30.1% of Pompano residents under the age of 18 lie beneath the poverty line, only 20.3% of Deerfield residents under 18 do.
Hope that helps!!!
Yourebustedyo 01:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I must say that I have enjoyed this discussion. Good to see that we have arrived at a consensus. I guess the old Pompano-Deerfield rivalry is alive and well. Before I say anything else, I want to give you a recommendation. Since you are such a fan of Pompano's inner city, I have got to know if you have eatern at McMillon's BBQ just west of 95 on Hammondville. That place has about the best hamburger I've had  -- I'd highly recommend it if you haven't eaten there (hmmm...do you think a person who has no idea what he is talking about with regard to Pompano would even know about a place like McMillon's?...also, I sure hope you aren't like most of my Pompano friends who pas up the best hamburger around because they are deathly afraid to visit that area...). Also, I sure do wish that those Tedder dummies wouldn't have been deceived by those "rumors" -- that area is good for netiher our tax base or image and its votes will further dillute the east side vote in city elections, which cannot be good for the city's future ... Well, at least we were able to dodge being forced to take the highlands and cresthaven.... As for Deerfield's "offer" to take Tedder, the record is actually that the city was pretty much strong-armed to take this area by the broward legislative delegation and did so largely as a result of a deal that allowed Deerfield to also take some high tax base areas out west.  Your numbers are interesting. It is no surprise to me that Deerfield has its problems, too -- I do, as I acknowledged, live there.  I still reject your assertion that in order to say something negative about one city an editor has an obligation to add something similar to every other city's page -- this is a cooperative project and no one editor is expected to do all the work. I also reject your implication that we are wholly unqualified to comment on a city because we live a short distance beyond its limits -- it is clear that both of us have spent quite a bit of time in Pompano and have generally kept up to date on it in the press (although I must admit I am, in general, a bit on the dark as to what goes on in that netherland west of Federal and, even more so, west of 95).  Also, I am quite willing to admit that this is a sockpuppet that I use for my more provocative edits. I would tell you my primary username so you could see some of the positive work I have done , but unfortunately, if a person were so disposed and obsessive, the pattern of my edits could used to construct a pretty good idea of who I am (especially since some of the pages share a lot of edits with a user name that is in fact my name -- from my early days on the wiki before I discovered the virtues of anonymity). Be assured, I have made numerous positive contributions about your city and other cities. Good to have arrived at a resolution...I look forward to working with you to improve Wikipedia's coverage of North Broward. Yourebustedyo 13:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photographs

message: ::Let us get something extremely clear:  Nothing I have added has been to the detriment of Pompano Beach's image or to this article.  Contrary to my knowledge of the existence of Pompano Beach's strip clubs or the area's perception of Pompano Beach and strip clubs, I have added nothing to the article about the seedy western districts or strip clubs.  The only thing I have done regarding strip clubs has been to revert the deletion of another users contributions.  You should check the page's  history if you believe otherwise.
::In contrast, I created the map that shows where Pompano Beach is to the remainder of Broward County.    I added the Pompano Beach city seal (which can certainly be improved upon, and I will do as soon as I get a decent photograph of the sign at Dixie and McNab.)  I have also taken another worthwhile photograph in Pompano Beach.  See article at Publix.  So it's not worthwhile of the Pompano Beach article, but it certainly demonstrates that Pompano Beach is not some little ugly town.
::By the way, the name I was trying to think of when I wrote "Pink Pussycat" is the "Booby Trap".    Bastique▼parler voir 14:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Bastique]]'s Contributions.

message: I came to check up on the Pompano page and other city pages and saw that another wikipedia user changed the error on the Pompano page........it does have three miles of beachfront....lets get real..his map clearly illustrates it has actually alittle more...the beach doesn't stop in the middle and then start up again....and even though AIA is a north soud road that goes directly parallel to the beach you seem to say that it's not right...give me a break. it has over 3 miles, but it definately has three. Also I found it interesting that the user who did this, who must have read Bastique's boosterism placed on fort lauderdale's page and his stark harshness about Pompano's "strip club" problem on Pompano's page. I guess he decided to be as truthful about fort lauderdale as Bastique was about Pompano. Bastique didn't like that and removed the word strip club from Fort Lauderdale's page...that's so hypocritical. Fort Lauderdale has as many strip clubs as Pompano and if it's on the Pompano page it should also be on that city's page...but I'll tell that user to just forget it don't step down to their level...they seem to be for some reason bent on putting Pompano down....You know I was up in Boston, Massachusetts a couple weeks ago and whenever they asked where I was from I said Pompano beach around Fort Lauderdale and I was shocked to find out how less than pristine Fort Lauderdale's image is....I immediateley told them that Fort Lauderdale is no longer what it was years ago that it's cleaned up into a very very nice city. I didn't say yea it still has strip clubs and very dangerous ares. I've let the strip club comment stay on Pompano's page although it is very POV in my opinion because 95% of cities have crime/poverty/social issues. It just really bothers me that Bastique can't be as honest about Fort Lauderdale as he is with Pompano. Again Pompano has three miles of beaches...the end.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.45.250 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 27 March 2006
:No, you are ridiculous, and obsessed with making Pompano Beach into something it's not.  Your facts are also wrong.  Would you like to do a Geological Survey?  Mapquest is not an accurate source of information.  Bastique▼parler voir 21:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: You people are ridiculous!

message: Bastique, give me a break, you are such a hypocrite. Why have you never been able to answer me about why you never mention anything negative about Fort Lauderdale.......trust me there's
plenty of things you can use. I think by putting Pompano down it makes you feel better about yourself because you live in Fort Lauderdale. I cannot think of any other reason why you don't say anything about Fort Lauderdale's negative qualities but love to knit pick at Pompano. I really don't care what you think about Pompano but I'm not going to allow your biased opinion to influence other people who come to visit the Pompano page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sofla954 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 27 March 2006 
:You're funny.  I'm not going to point out my many edits on Fort Lauderdale, including negative and positive.  If you bothered to look through them you'd see that I am entirely honest with both articles.  
:Furthermore, I never added in anything about strip clubs.  But someone else did and you kept reverting them indiscriminantly.
:I love Pompano Beach, I live subsantially closer to Pompano downtown than Fort Lauderdale.  It's why I'm as active in the Pompano Beach article as I am in the Fort Lauderdale article.  I'm in Pompano Beach far more often than I'm in Fort Lauderdale.  You're the biased one here, the hypocrite, not I.  
:Also, someone (probably you, not logged in) changed the Fort Lauderdale article from "clubs" to "strip clubs" in an entirely lazy and inappropriate location. If you want to add information about the Strip clubs, do it in an appropriate location in the article.  If not, then you'll be reverted, if not by me then by some other editor interested as much in accuracy as anyone else.  
:You are the biased author--who can't seem to even sign his/her own comments.
:As you can see in the attached image, A1A clearly has about 1/4 of a mile more than the beach itself.  Go to Topozone yourself if you don't freaking believe me.  This is an encyclopedia, not a Chamber of Commerce.  Bastique▼parler voir 22:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the same reason I haven't written about Pompano Beach's strip clubs.  I've never been inside of them.  Bastique▼parler voir 22:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: That's funny

message: Since you're being so technical i will be too. First If you look at you're map the measurement line doesn't start at Terra Mar Drive, but alittle North of it. Also your measuring line goes in intervals of 0.8, it's so convenient that they have a marking for 2.9 miles out of nowhere at the end of Pompano Beach. I think I'll go with mapquest before your obvious homemade diagram  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sofla954 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 27 March 2006  (UTC)
:If you're going to be a smartass, you'll see in my picture description that I put, "Modified in Adobe Photoshop", i.e. I copied the scale from the bottom and repositioned it, to scale, measured 5/8 of the distance between 2.4 and 3.2 miles and typed in 2.9 exactly in that location.  I explained where the image came from (Topozone, which is far more accurate than Mapquest will ever be), and explained my methodology.  This is an encyclopedia.  We deal in facts.  We are allowed to use scientific methods to explain those facts.  Bastique▼parler voir 15:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bastique's Map

message: *Re: user:Sofla954's concerns and comments. I just read over this debate and all I can say is ....are you kidding me? This whole debate stems from the word "about" being placed in front of "3 miles" in describing the length of the beach. The word "about" indicates only that Pompano's beachfront is not exactly 3 miles in length. How is this disparaging of Pompano? Frankly, it seems extremely unlikely that this beach is exactly 3 miles long. Knowing that Pompano's northern boundary is the Hillsboro inlet and its southern boundary was (I am basing this on knowledge of how north broward developed) probably based upon property ownership boundaries (or perhaps where a section ended...I could pull up a section map and look this up but it is probably not particularly important), it is extremely difficult to believe that Pompano's beach was any particular length by design...there is just not that much rhyme or reason to municipal boundaries in Broward County. Also, the beach being exactly 3 miles long seems like an extremely unlikely coincidence. Thus, in the absence of a specific reference to the contrary, the word "about" absolutely makes sense in front of any estimation of the beach's length. This term makes sense whether the beach is a bit more or a bit less than 3 miles in length. So lets end this silly revert war and constribute something constructive to wikipedia (Bastique -- you have been doign this all along; Sofla954 -- it would be great if you could expand your role on wikipedia beyond Pompano boosterism). PS..I will happily add a mention of strip clubs to the Fort Lauderdale page ... Captaintruth 02:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Come on now

message: Captaintruth, I am going to revert the last edit and apply David back to famous residents of Pompano and Ft Lauderdale. David was raised in North Lauderdale and the Tamarac area. David is still a current member of the Margate Church of God (Which is located in the Pompano area even to this day as well as maintaining a secondary residence off Las Olas Blvd in Fort Lauderdale. The article reads current and past residents. Many celebrities do not include information in bios or promotional materials that state where they have homes or spend time. It is subjective at best but still falls within the guidelines for acceptabe wikipedia material. I would appreciate that before reverting an edit that you would post it to my talk page or to the article talk page before completing a revert. I appreciate your attention to the article. Junebug52 7:59 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability.  One key point to note are that the burden for providing a source for an insertion lies on the person adding material. Another is that "[a]ny edit lacking a source may be removed".  Thus, material which does not have a source and is "sujective at best" in fact does not fall "within the guidelines for acceptabe wikipedia material".  Also, even the limited informaiton you provide does not suggest that he is a resident of Pompano. Captaintruth 04:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: David L Cook Resident

message: Please note correction: Mayor Lamar Fisher succeeded John Rayson in early 2007.
I am not clear about the source of the statement "In 2004, John Rayson was elected as the first official mayor of Pompano." found in the history section.  I noticed this 2010-07-05 while I was updating the section on the city's history.  How can he be the first official mayor 96 years after the place was founded?  I don' t get it.  I refrained from removing the statement because I want to give a chance to the original submitter to re-phrase the sentence so that it is more factually correct.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JWilliamCupp (talk • contribs) 14:04, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: New Mayor

message: I stumbled upon this article today in the "Random article" feature and was stunned that it has been allowed to remain as it is. It is almost hopelessly overwritten. It's past midnight and I am far too weary to jump in on it now, but I will return, hopefully tomorrow, to start removing some of this superfluous content and ensure appropriate sources are properly provided. I would also like to point out that the article is seriously weighted down under the stress of excessive tables and charts. Wikipedia is not an atlas. Wikipedia articles should be a summary of its subjects, not an all-encompassing coverage of them, as dictated in WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:NOTEVERYTHING. I am writing this in hopes generous, objective and experienced editors will assist me on this huge task. God bless and happy editing. MarydaleEd (talk) 05:31, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs a lot of work 

message: I have spent hours researching sources for this article and trying to bring it into proper style, but I am not finished. There is much that remains. I am posting this only for those who are watching this article and are pulling their hair screaming "What just happened!?" Some information that was in some of the tables may be returned in prose style. The tables. They are a nightmare. There were so many of them. So, missing information may reappear in the next few days. Don't despair. God bless and happy editing. MarydaleEd (talk) 05:28, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not finished