Talk:Kach (political party)

message: The largest and most active Kahanist organization in the world today is the Jewish Task Force (www.jtf.org). It's based in New York City and gets fairly frequent media mentions in America and Israel. There should be some way to mention this without violating POV rules. Otherwise it looks like all Kahanist organizations in the world today are defunct. And this article very unhelpfully provides no way to get further information from this. There's also no mention of Chaim Ben Pesach, who worked closely with Mr. Kahane for almost 20 years. The article as written is very inferior without these two pieces of information! KyZan (talk) 19:50, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about Kach and Kahane Chai. What is the JTF connection to these organizations? IMHO, it makes more sense to reference JTF from Kahanism. --Vicky Ng (talk) 04:18, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: maybe add a list of Kahanist organizations/people in the see also list 24.85.161.72 (talk) 03:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish Task Force

message: Just wanted to briefly mention why I edited the caption for Kach's poster. The literal translation is correct, but the sentence 'This time Kahane' does not make sense in English. I added parentheses as follows: 'This time [vote] Kahane.' 58.175.172.156 (talk) 08:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Another user changed the title of one section to "alleged terrorist attacks associated with Kahanists". Given the content of that section the addition of the word "alleged" seemed quite unnecessary in that it makes clear the nature of the links.
The second point down seems rather, ehm, odd:
*In the 1980s The Makhteret, a resistance group with links to Kach, allegedly staged several attacks against Palestinian officials who were believed to have spearheaded various terrorist attacks against Israelis.
Again, the "allegedly" is out of place, as AFAIK the existence of the attacks isn't in question, only their origin (?) and connection to Kach. --Black Butterfly 11:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  reverted 

message: I can't find an argument on this page for the dispute tag that appears at the top of the article.  If no such argument is provided soon, the tag should be removed. --Zerotalk 13:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute tag on this article 

message: The 1984 Supreme Court decision overturning Kach's disqualification to run for election contains quite a bit of information that could be used in the article.  It is available on the web in English (and presumably in Hebrew), see footnote 3. --Zerotalk 13:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1984 Supreme Court ruling online 

message: What do sources say about this? Isn't there some "preferred" wording to be used here? I know this hass been discussed before. This effects multiple articles so I am not sure how best to proceed. TIA --Tom 13:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's obvious that he was assassinated - it was targeted killing of a political figure. Number 57 13:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the source, works for me, I will go back and add it to the other pages I have tagged. More sources are better than less it seems. Cheers! --Tom 13:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assasination vs murder of Kahane

message: israel's own haaretz publication covers this:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061172.html
perhaps this merits a mention on this page?
24.190.132.242 (talk) 19:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  avigdor lieberman said to have been a member 

message: An anon deleted the claimed derivation for the word Kach:  "(Hebrew: כ"ך‎, an acronym for Kahane LaKnesset (Hebrew: כהנא לכנסת‎, lit. Kahane to the Knesset))".  I suspect anon is quite correct, but now we have no explanation.  Everywhere I look, I just see the explanation that כך means "thus", but somewhere there must be an official explanation.  Anyone know where?  I'm guessing that "thus" was inspired by the Irgun slogan "rak kach" (only thus). Zerotalk 00:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On the Hebrew wiki it makes the same claim about it being an acronym. כהנא לכנסת is also used several times on the Kahane website, though nowhere does it say that it's what Kach stands for. пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also see that site uses כך rather than כ"ך as the spelling in multiple places.  The same is true on Knesset sites here for example.  Is the issue discussed on the Hebrew wiki talk page?  If not, can you ask there please? My Hebrew is not good enough. Zerotalk 02:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is discussed on the Hebrew talk page (whether to use gershayim or not). Someone has also written that the name "Kach" actually came about through the ballot letters assigned to the party by the Central Elections Committee - thus suggesting that it might be a backronym. This is feasible as in its first elections the party ran as the "League List", but again, there is no evidence. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought that it was because of the ballot letters, which were "advertized" as Kahana [to the] Knesset, similarly to how Avoda's advertizements all contain the word Emet (Truth), which are their ballot letters. —Ynhockey (Talk) 13:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are some sources that say the name was inspired by the Irgun slogan.  Is this controversial?Prezbo (talk) 01:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's cited to those sources, I see no reason why it can't be included. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name "Kach" 

message: If this was a political party, shouldnt we explain what their platform was at the time? "Kahanist" doesnt explain much. --Metallurgist (talk) 05:10, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How so?--Eliscoming1234 (talk) 04:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Metallurgist is right, the article should summarize the Kach election platform. Zerotalk 07:30, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Platform 

message: I have once again removed content that uses sources that clearly don't qualify as reliable according to Wikipedia's requirements. The content should not be restored until and unless someone can demonstrate that think-israel.org and ahavat-israel.com qualify as RS for unattributed statements of fact in the narrative voice of the encyclopedia. That is the function of WP:RSN. WP:V compliance is mandatory so in the meantime this content should stay out of the article. If the content is factually accurate and notable it will have been published by sources that unambiguously qualify as RS. Those sources should be cited instead. Sean.hoyland - talk 14:12, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have cited it to a Bradley Burston article and Israel National News. The latter is not exactly famed for its NPOV, but I can't see why it wouldn't be a WP:RS here, particularly as a Haaretz editor also cites the figure for 12 seats. Number 57 15:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-RS

message: Since Council Decision 2010/386/CFSP of 12 July 2010. (I have insufficient editing rights for semi-protected pages.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penalist (talk • contribs) 16:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: No longer designated by the EU

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This has nothing to do with the article, and implies a cause and effect; namely that because of his pamphlets he was killed. In fact, his death was merely for being a Jewish settler, the Palestinians were unaware of who they killed; they just wanted to murder Jews.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.60.235.57 (talk) 16:24, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "After being convicted for sedition for distributing pamphlets advocating violence against Arabs, Binyamin Ze'ev Kahane and his wife were both killed in a Palestinian ambush in December 2000" 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've moved the article from "Kach and Kahane Chai" to "Kach (political party)" for a couple of reasons:
#These were two separate (albeit linked) organisations and the current title seems to be fooling editors into thinking that it's the name of a single organisation (see this version of the Meir Ettinger article).
#The article is largely about Kach.
Cheers, Number 57 22:17, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved

message: The recently created article of Sicarii (1989) clearly fails criteria for notability set forth in WP:CORPIND. The sourcing in the article consists of WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources from 1989-1991 which cover a police investigation that went no where (a suspect was arrested, released after a few weeks. No charges or trial). In addition there are 4 secondary sources.  Lustick-1993, written close to the events, mainly consists of news clippings. Kelly/Maghan is from 1998, uses very flowery language, and devotes a paragraph to the Sicarii - and most of that paragraph is on the historical Sicarii which this alleged group is its namesake (the 1989 group gets 2 sentences that are not related to it being a namesake). Crenshaw/Pimlott-1997 is factually inaccurate (turning a shooting, per multiple NEWSORGs, into a bombing) and devotes a single paragraph to the Sicarii in a section mainly about Kach. Pedahzur/Perliger-2009 is a better source than the 3 previous ones (written well after events, devoted to the topic (Jewish terrorism)) - however it sees fit to devote approx. 1/3 of a paragraph (+ a blurb in the timeline with the 1989 attack saying they claimed responsibility) -  - framing the Sicarii as a movement of Kach activists who were protesting the banning of Kach from the 1988 elections. While Sicarii is clearly non-notable, it does seem some content can be salvaged from that article into this one, and that Kach is a suitable merge target per WP:ATD-M. Icewhiz (talk) 07:57, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: pinging Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoel Adler discussion participants . Icewhiz (talk) 08:06, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: To further clarify, the administrator who closed the vote wrote "Close and reverted article back to before being hijacked". Hence why I think it is not right to immediately thereafter nominate the article for merging. ImTheIP (talk) 15:23, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was not involved in said "hijacking". The pre-"hijacking" article has some salvageable content - but it is still rather clearly non-notable. A merge is a good alternative here for deletion. A procedural close does preclude re-nominating the article immediate for deletion.Icewhiz (talk) 15:27, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal of Sicarii (1989)

message: Category:Fascist parties should be removed because there is nothing to support the claim that the party is Fascist. -- 187.58.92.128 (talk) 19:20, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done The word "fascist" does not appear in the article, so that category appears to have been unsourced.  – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-protected edit request on 29 March 2020 

message: Kach and Kahane Chai are designated as a terrorist organisation by the EU - however, the relevant category :Category:Organisations designated as terrorist by the European Union has not been applied. Is it possible to apply the cateogry to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatryoshkaNL (talk • contribs) 18:35, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: plus :Category:Defunct organizations designated as terrorist in Asia was also added. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 19:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-protected edit request on 3 June 2020 

message: Kach is no longer going to be designated as a terrorist group by the US State department, seeing as they never killed anyone. In fact, Meir Kahana was the first terror victim of Al-Qaeda in 1990 when he was killed in New York City. Someone please update the article to reflect this  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:500:1AF5:BC7F:2F12:1E1A:3C1E (talk) 02:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: List of Foreign Terrorist Organizations from the US State Dept: search for Kach. See it? nableezy - 02:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

text: As far as the news, that is being removed as defunct, not because they were not a terror group. nableezy - 02:38, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kach no longer designated terrorist by USA 

message: Change the following sentence to show that the US no longer designatess the group as terrorists. See following citations https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/20/us-removes-ultranationalist-israeli-group-from-terror-list and https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-removes-radical-jewish-group-kach-4-others-from-list-of-terror-organizations/
Today, both groups are considered terrorist organisations by Israel,[3] Canada,[4] the European Union,[5] Japan,[6] and the United States.[7] 46.117.204.46 (talk) 15:43, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: see section immediately above. And per your Aljazeera source, "The State Department said Kahane Chai and the other four groups will retain their SDGT designations" Cannolis (talk) 11:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 May 2022 

message: Change criticism of islam to islamophobis this is a xenophobic organisation 193.210.167.118 (talk) 16:19, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamophobia 

message: The following change is recommended to provide context into discussed events.  Care has been taken to keep phrasing and details neutral.
Change "In 2022, the United States removed the group from its list of terrorist organizations." to "In 2022, the United States removed the group from its list of terrorist organizations, alongside 4 inactive groups.
The citations for the above sentence is a dead link.  The following is a suitable replacement: 
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/16/1099088398/u-s-to-remove-groups-from-foreign-terrorism-blacklist DanielTheManual (talk) 13:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Question: why is the subordinate clause "" relevant to this sentence? Colonestarrice (talk) 10:22, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying directly it was due to inactivity would be presumptive as the reasons were not publicly disclosed.  However the grouping alongside other inactive groups is suggestive that the removal was not due to a reevaluation of Kack's goals and means of action, which readers may presume if not given the additional context.  I thought providing context without conclusion in the most neutral feasible language reflects known facts most accurately. DanielTheManual (talk) 05:48, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've updated the broken ref using your source but I've not included this text because it still strikes me as extraneous and redundant. Colonestarrice (talk) 00:45, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 January 2023 

message: The JDL operated almost exclusively in the U.S. and Canada, and thus does not fulfill the definition of a political paramilitary wing of a political party. Aside from both being founded by Meir Kahane, the groups are fairly different in their goals (one being combatting antisemitism in America, the other being more focused on religious Zionism and anti-Arabism). A. Rosenberg (talk) 18:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Defense League is not a paramilitary wing of Kach