Talk:Eurodance

message: OK, here it is: I uploaded on Youtube a rare interview from 1994, broadcasted on MTV's European Party Zone. The interview shows various artists contribute to the question: What is "Euro". 
What is the most interesting on those 5 minutes, is the last piece of the interview, from the eurohouse band "24/7 (Twenty 4 Seven). Listen to what they say: This is how WE in the United States call this European Dance music. We call it Eurodance.
Eventually, I gonna find every piece of the puzzle, because I have it TAPED. Of course, I have hundreds of VHS tapes so the digging ain't gonna be easy. It may takes a lifetime to prove the obvious, but I'll do it! Why? Because I hate fake terms and this is OUR music. The first music made in the European Union.
I repeat what I already said: The Term "Eurodance" first used by VJ Christiana Baker to describe the European Dance Charts of the show "Braun European top 20" in 1989. Then, it used in USA again, around 1994 to sell compilations of Eurohouse music there. 
The term "EuroHouse" used at least once by VJ Simone Angel during 1994 on the "Dance" music show. I'll find those tapes one day, I promise you!
On the sidenote, I repeat that the term Eurotrance used on "MTV Dance" thematic channel during a "special" countdown on 2002. I have that on tape too, one day I'll find it!
Anyway, for now at least I'm happy with the fact that I can provide you with a something usefull from that time, which proves one of my points: There is no "Eurodance" music. Eurodance is a term used on U.S.A. around 1994 to describe the non UK based European imports of commercial dance music, which based on this interview has the general name "euro". Not "Dance", "Dancefloor" and other stupid things I read here.
Here is the link. I hope they won't ban my account on youtube again for providing this material without any permission!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyqw3IWGaKw
Labrokratis (talk) 14:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finally, I'm able to provide you with some REAL info! 

message: When searching for "Italodance" you are forwarded to Eurodance which is wrong, you should be forwarded to the article about italodance here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo_dance
:It looks like someone's added a redirect, so it should be OK now. Squidfryerchef 01:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's 80s Italo-disco that's more important to us.  I noticed the article doesn't distinguish between the two, we should mention Eiffel 65 down in the "2000s" section, not the Hi-NRG section.  P.S. If you start your first line with a ':', the system will indent it so everybody knows it's a reply.  And if you put 4 '~'s at the end, the system will sign and date the post. Squidfryerchef 01:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Italodance' should not refer to eurodance 

message: Have moved old discussion to an archive page; link is above. Squidfryerchef 01:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archived discussion 

message: Please note WP:TALK and WP:CIVIL.  There's a certain format the talk page is supposed to be in, in chronological order.  I've removed a discussion thread added over the past couple of months which couldn't be refactored because I could barely tell who was talking to who, and it wasn't always civil.  Please bring up your concerns about the page one point at a time. Squidfryerchef 01:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page guidelines and removed discussion 

message: Should the "See also" section be removed because most of those links are better handled in the infobox?  Or should "See also" be cleaned up because it has a link to "Euro pop" but no links to NRG or Italo.  Also, the articles on related styles vary in quality.  Should we only list well-written ones in the "See also" section? Squidfryerchef 22:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "See also" section 

message: 1. The introduction paragraph only has 2 sentences!!? and it doesn't describe to the reader the typical characteristics of Eurodance..(not until later). I suggest adding 2-3 more intro sentences.
Example:
The most distinquish feature of eurodance music is the abundance of the vocal choruses and/or rap verses as opposed to other styles of dance music where less vocals are heard. The combination of rich vocals, rap, creative synth, strong bass rhytms, and catchy melodies make eurodance tracks easy to attract listeners and fill the dance floors. 
or shorter,
The common characteristics of eurodance music includes rich vocals and/or rap verses, creative synths, strong bass thythms, and catchy melodies.
2. History section seems to be shooting off in many different places and seems quite long...is it possible to make it more concise yet provide better details?
3. Italodance (although unique on its own), has some common features with Eurodance, we should include Italodance somewhere in the article. and link the word to the "Italodance" article.
4. We should add a new section to describe the general Eurodance as of current (update).  There has been many european dance releases up until now from original 90's artists (Scooter, E-Type, Dr. Alban, DJ Bobo, U96, Basic Element...etc.) and also many new generation of artists have came out (look up youtube.com "eurodance" and u will see!).
I would sugest removing the 2000's part from the History section and re-introduce it to a new  up-to-date eurodance section. This new section does not have to be very detail, just some overall general description (2000's until now)....with room for later additions/modification/updates...etc...(until we hit the next decade of european dance music!).
~Euro4Ever
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.186.202 (talk) 05:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Woah, there.  The thing this article needs, right now, is cites to published sources.  Eurodance was so big in the mid-90s but there's very little I can find to quote other than liner notes and web sites.  We really need someone to go though their back issues of DMA and look for interviews with Captain Hollywood.  I think the introduction is fine.  It's the product of many editors going back and forth with it for a long time.  The history section is also the way it is because of consensus.  It describes how NRG, house, and rap influenced the style, it has an "in America" section because a number of the editors are in the U.S., where there was a different experience of the style than in Europe.  The 2000's section, while it could be retitled, is there to explain how a lot of us feel that Eurodance is really something from the mid-90s and the newer style is a different genre awaiting a new name.  I mean, it is Eurodance, but in the same sense that Stock, Aitken, and Waterman are disco.  If anything I'd want to expland the history section and talk about the lack of a youth culture, real or manufactured, to go along with the music.  I do agree though that Italodance should be explained somewhere in the "2000s" section or whatever that section gets renamed to. Squidfryerchef 03:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Are those UK-specific terms for Eurotrance and Bubblegum Dance? Squidfryerchef (talk) 16:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision INPUTS & FEEDBACK 

message: Unlike most genres, Eurodance always seems to be written with a capital 'E', why is this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neon white (talk • contribs) 18:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably people are reading the "Euro" prefix as a place name and capitalizing it.  I'm undecided whether it should be capital or lowercase. Squidfryerchef 13:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have the same issue techniccally i don't think it needs to be capitalized as it isn't a proper noun or adjective but could be said to be short for 'dance music of Europe' in which case the capital is correct, i always tend to and it looks better. I think either is probably acceptable as long as it is consistant. --Neon white 17:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captalization 

message: There's been some debate in the edit history on whether or not to mention compilation albums.  I'm personally for mentioning a small number of the early ones.  I think the opposing argument is why mention just one or two albums when there are many, many eurodance compilations out there, and what makes the ones I chose notable?  My point is that there might be Avogadro's number of euro compilations published now, but back in 1995 there were only a few.
If you use Google to look through discogs.com, there's a very short list of albums that have the name "eurodance" before 1997 or so.  I think it's important to mention the earliest ones.  Now my personal opinion is that having all those albums on the market contributed to the euro-fansites on the newly open WWW standardizing on the name "euodance", but that of course is speculation and we all agreee that doesn't belong in the article.
But I think we can agree that albums X,Y,Z were released in a particular year and were early examples of the term "eurodance" being used to describe a certain style of music. Squidfryerchef 02:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can see your point but i still think that wikipedia requires a source that says these type of albums contributed to eurodance, as it stands there is no indication in the article as to why these particular albums are worth of note and it also should be noted that albums may exist that contain eurodance that do not contain eurodance in the title such . A better solution might be to have a list of eurodance compilations if a source for their importance cannot be found. --Neon white 04:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well anyway I looked through Discogs again and found a couple of even earlier compilations with the word "eurodance" in the title from 1993 and 1994 respectively.  So potentially we could be maintaining a still longer list.  However I was able to find a review of the DMA compilation which also said how important it was to eurodance fans in the U.S.  So I'll move DMA to the U.S. section and cite the review but wait on the Logic compilation for now. Squidfryerchef 20:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About compilations and notability 

message: I find the 2000s subsection extremely unsatisfying.
It talks about trends as "trance music losing popularity since 2006" - I don't think you can make such general clames about a period so short ago. Also it talks about the quality of the music, something people may (may!) agree on when they are talking about a certain artist, but not when talked a complete genre.
In: "[...]among others, represent some of the best of the second generation of Eurodance artists." best oughts to be replaced by a more neutral term, such as 'most successful'.
GreatMagicalHat (talk) 01:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you can help us out with it.  I'm more familiar with the Eurodance of the mid-'90s so it's difficult for me to make a judgement call there.  Yes we should probably stay away from things like "since 2006".  Also there is a guideline called WP:PEACOCK about avoiding phrasing such as "best of the second generation". Squidfryerchef (talk) 17:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll see what I can do next time I am behind a computer (will not be before thirtiest). I am not too familiar with the subject either, but I can make it more neutral - as a start. GreatMagicalHat (talk) 06:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2000s 

message: Im trying to find the first eurodance song for the article. any canidates?  so far i have ruled out Rhythm is a dancer since it was released in 1992 and have Get ready for this ahead of it since it was released in 1991(see below) but i cant get a specific date on 
it.
potential Canidates:
Plaza - O-Oh  (1990)  (it has all the features of eurodance except the female vocals)
any contributions?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zenithsonzai (talk • contribs) 04:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't comment on the Plaza song, but I'd root for Rhythm is a Dancer by Snap or Its My Life by Dr. Alban.  I don't know if Get Ready for This is really "eurodance" because it doesn't have the melody or duet, it's really more of the style of house music that eventually contributed to eurodance.  On the other hand, try listening to some 1980s Italo, like Capsicum by Stargo, Tarzan Boy by Baltimora, or You're My Heart, You're My Soul by Modern Talking for roots of eurodance.  Anyway that's an interesting and endlessly debatable question, and its been brought up here before (see archive 1), but we can't come out and say that in the article unless published sources weigh in on the question.  We can and do list early and influential songs which works out pretty well.  PS. Please don't link to music videos online as it can cause a copyright problem (theyve been taken out). Squidfryerchef (talk) 03:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first eurodance song 

message: Which was the very first artist to create Eurodance music? Can someone tell me ASAP? Please post the answer on my talk page. BulsaraAndDeacon (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Eurodance artist? 

message: Taio Cruz ft Ludacris: I'm only gonna break your heart?!?!?! Thats EURO-DANCE! At least thats what I think.  -- Dandekar (talk) 06:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taio Cruz 

message: See here. The only artist in front of them is David Guetta and he is not eurodance. This should be noted here.
--Cprice1000talk2me 02:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: True, WTC is often called euro, but he is often described more as a house DJ. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 21:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cascada highest selling eurodance artist 

message: European media is writing about Eurodance becoming popular in U.S.
http://www.viva.tv/news/eurodance_vorwaerts_in_die-neunziger_1298370090/
http://www.20min.ch/life/musik/story/26417275
And I read an Interview by the BEP where they mentioned that "Eurodance is great for partying (and they can't understand why Europeans hate it)". But I am unable to find it.
--Haukesa (talk) 18:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though I don't think so, that is something that could definitely be put into the US section. Use successful US eurodance artists, too. (e.g. Cascada or September) --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 21:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Influences by Eurodance 

message: The genre combining elements of Trance music, Vocal House, Vocal Trance? 
i see Hi-NRG - Techno - House – Eurodisco - Italo Disco - Space Disco - Electro - Synthpop - Dance-pop - Electropop - Vocal House - Vocal Trance - Hip hop/Rap on infobox. it really? genre is unreliable, I see it not like this. I think Hi-NRG, House music, and Hip hop music/rap was one of the main bases of Eurodance. --Sard112 (talk) 23:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre?  

message: In the "notable eurodance artist" there is this statement
Some examples of "original" Eurodance acts that emerged from the late 1980s until the mid-1990s are 2 Brothers On The 4th Floor, 2 Unlimited, Ace of Base, Alexia, Bad Boys Blue, Blue System, Cappella, Captain Hollywood Project, Centory, Colonia, Corona, Culture Beat, Dee Monk, Double You, DJ Bobo, Dr. Alban, E-rotic. E-Type, Electro Team, First Base, Fun Factory, Haddaway, Ice MC, Imperio, Indra, J.K., La Bouche, Lobby, Le Click, Lynda Thomas, Magic Affair, Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, Masterboy, Maxx, Mr. President, N-Trance, Nicki French, No Mercy, Paradisio, Playahitty, Real McCoy, Scatman John, Snap!, Technotronic and Whigfield.
I'm not saying they were unknown at the time, I'm asking if there is a valid source regarding this statement.--79.17.199.225 (talk) 10:16, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  About a statement 

message: Basicly, the eurodance instruments used (not mentioned in this article, why?) were
# Roland TR-909 for claps and hi-hats, real or sampled, produced in 1984-85;
# Korg M1 for the piano, produced from 1988 to 1995;
# Yamaha TX81Z for the bass, produced in 1987.
Now, not looking at the synthesizers used afterwards, like the Roland U-20 and so on, and listening to the songs just labeled as Euro House on Discogs, I think that the genre was born in 1988 (not before!) with songs like "Edelweiss - Bring me edelweiss" and "Apollo II - One small step".
It would be interesting what people says about the origins of this genre before just saying 1988 or 1989 in the article. 79.12.173.22 (talk) 15:24, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of Eurodance 

message: removed my recent edits as unreliable. I added some more groups for artists examples with links to the wikipedia artist pages. On these pages there are details regarding the type of music and the time released. No further citation is therefore needed. The artists are also organized in better way.
:The presence of a citation in another article does not mean this article can work without also having the citation. Each fact needs to be supported by citation in each article. 
:Rateyourmusic.com is unreliable because it accepts user input. 
:This article needs a lot of work, and that work should be based on WP:Reliable sources. Find some published information and bring it into the article. Unreferenced stuff should be removed. Binksternet (talk) 09:22, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not making this stuff up! All facts must be verifiable, per WP:V which also says in WP:CIRCULAR that you cannot use Wikipedia articles as the source for facts. There is no guideline to support your notion that a lot of references would make the article difficult to read. Rateyourmusic.com is listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Sources#Sources_to_avoid, so it must be removed. Regarding whether your changes should stay after they are challenged, the WP:V guideline says that the burden is on the person who adds text or restores challenged text. Binksternet (talk) 10:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  My last updates to the page 

message: The section "Notable Eurodance artists" after the last edit from user  is now very confusing. The link directs to a list of European dance music artists that are not limited to the Eurodance genre but includes various other genres like pop, trance, house, disco, hip-hop and even local country specific traditional genres. I would suggest to revert this section back to its previous state where it was much more representative for this type of music, mentioning just selective bands. Clicklander (talk) 16:02, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If you would like to separate out the artists who are specifically Eurodance then please cite sources describing the artist as a Eurodance artist. Binksternet (talk) 16:33, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Eurodance artists 

message: Can we talk about the way this section was completely gutted on March 7 or so? 
Just due to poor citation, or what? I remember describing the percussion as synthesized and the melody section giving multiple examples, and now it's just simply gone. 
174.45.169.156 (talk) 04:53, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, all unreferenced and poorly referenced text must be removed. If you are summarizing music books and music magazines then you will have some reliable sources on which to base your writing, and these sources will serve as cites. It's that easy. Binksternet (talk) 09:55, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characteristics of the Music 

message: In the first sentence underneath, Eurodance#United States, could somebody add a comma after "Houston" and before "etc.", so that it says, "Eurodance is not well known in the United States outside of the major cities such as New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, Houston, etc.?
 173.73.227.128 (talk) 14:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2017 

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message: Or do people consider that something different, because I'm not sure about adding that to the 'sometimes known as' section
Tdp2612 (talk) 20:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: A Eurobeat article already exists, but if reliable sources are found stating that Eurodance is also known by that name, you are welcome to add that information. I don't see how it would warrant its own section, though—see the progressive rock article for an example of how alternative names are worked into the infobox, lead sentence, and first subsection. LifeofTau 22:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just me who calls it Eurobeat 

message: This Music is called "Dancefloor" in Germany.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A540:BC06:0:4B2:49E4:CCBC:1B0B (talk) 22:03, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dancefloor 

message: Eurodance somehow enjoyed popularity in Saudi Arabia looking at some videos of Tafheet on youtube many of them had Eurodance songs made by Ice MC, Masterboy, Fun Factory, Capital Sounds, Roxxy, Imperio, MC Erik & Barbara, Activate etc... 51.223.124.134 (talk) 02:56, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity in Saudi Arabia 

message: Note: Even though it looks like I am crediting the phrase 'commercial European dance music' with Gianfranco Bortolotti (when it might have been dreamt up by Peter Pritchard), I am using it as it was the definition always used in promotions/leaflets from the Media Records mailing list in the 1990s (obviously from the British arm of the company).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.173.247 (talk) 16:37, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gianfranco Bortolotti 

message: The article claims twice that there was a decline in the popularity of this music style. I do not know what evidence there is to support this claim; it appears to be an unevidenced statement based on assumption. It seems to me that fans of the genre/style will still like it even if some younger listeners/record buyers who make up the sales of pop music might not. It is assumed that pop music is popular - however the majority of people may dislike modern pop music and it may be the music liked by the greatest minority, around 40% of people, whilst the 60% majority not liking pop splits into even smaller pieces each relating to their own genres, so that none of the specialist styles are as popular as pop. I don't see there is evidence that eurodance declined in popularity as it may have been the previous pop that also wasn't popular since more people liked something else (but couldn't agree about what they liked). People who liked eurodance and made it popular in the early 90s may continue to like it into the late 90s and beyond but younger audiences come on stream - this doesn't show eurodance lost its audience after 1995.
In addition, regarding the comment earlier on this talk page, that claims Eurodance ceased to exist after 1995, I disagree because there are still Eurodance sounds and styles that continue to this day, whether popular or not, and Eurodance has therefore not ceased to exist and new songs in the Eurodance style continue outside of the mainstream. It is claimed that after 1995 it is not Eurodance and factual errors are claimed. However, whether Eurodance or its sound continued after 1995 is not a matter that can be determined by objective fact: it is subjective and based on taste. Some fans, including myself, will recognise music as being Eurodance produced after that date. I note the original post disagrees and claims a factual error. I complained a decade or so ago about an advert that listed various songs. It described them in various different genres and gave their decades (some of which were inaccurate) - I felt none of them were the genres claimed but that they were all pop music. I complained to the Advertising Standards Authority that the genres and some decades given were inaccurate - the Authority did not agree with me over the genres as it said whether the songs were jazz, soul, dance, rock or pop was a matter of subjective taste but did ask the advertiser to change the decades where they were inaccurate.
Therefore it is not factually inaccurate to have a Eurodance song in late 1990s - you may disagree it is Eurodance and see it as some other genre but to me and my tastes it may have the Eurodance sound and be Eurodance to me whether pop or some other form of dance, trance, tribal house or not. The matter of what genre songs are or how they sound is a matter of subjective taste and not an objective fact. As per Advertising Standards Authority on my complaint a while back.
aspaa (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity 

message: Should some example songs not be listed here? Would the famous 'Sandstorm' by Darude count? 2001:1970:4000:D4:C906:45C2:74D:80BD (talk) 11:53, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hands UP 

message: The section should list a point of origin for a style, or multiple points of origin if the development was simultaneous in many different places (as with electro and techno), but it should not be a compilation of all countries who had their own eurodance musicians, or else we will end up listing every European country and Russia too (since the hit of ATC interpolates Ruki Vverkh, successful eurodance duo from Russia). 178.121.40.38 (talk) 23:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of countries in origins section needs massive cleanup