Talk:Sool

message: As Somalia disintegrated in the 1990s, 2 separatist governments arose, one is Somaliland, end the other Puntland. The region of Sool seems to be in a 3-way dispute here, between these 2 governments and one-Somalia supporters. This led, amongst other things, to the deletion of the map below.
The same problem also affects Sanaag.  Samfreed 08:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV

message: Editors and watchers of this article will definitely continue to hammer on any anonymous (or even registered) users who try to assert that "99%" of the region, or any other percentage cited which is utterly unsourced. If people try to introduce statistics, they better have a good source for them, and not just be pulling numbers out of the air. We have seen multiple problems in Somali articles where authors make up numbers to suit their POV. Please avoid doing this, or the article can get locked down. Thank you. --Petercorless 08:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Got rid of unsourced "99%" POV claim

message: .and Members of Dhulbahante’s religious order and elders have been holding a secret meeting organised by Banadir Islamic Society with Al Shabab in Somalia’s capital for the past week which is a terrorhttp://somalilandpress.com/somaliland-sool-elders-hold-secret-meetings-with-al-shabab-16149ist group  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muktar allebbey (talk • contribs) 01:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: terroist acts

message: This is a weird one. On one hand you have the former region of Sool, as it appears in the article's map with all four districts. The demographics for this one are straightforward, both Harti and Isaaq clans live and are represented in the region. We then have the new Somaliland regions of 2008 Talk:Somaliland#Administrative Regions of Somaliland in which Sool is split into Saraar and Sool. In this case many of the non Harti inhabitants of the original Sool are now part of Saraar (Xudun seems to still be part of Sool). 
What is confusing about the demographics section in the article was that it had a map of the former Sool region (with both Harti and Isaaq) but only referenced Harti (implying it is the Somaliland Sool region). 
So I have added all groups into that section to avoid any confusing as almost everyone reading that page would assume it is the Sool region of the former Somali Republic (and pre 2008 Somaliland). Kzl55 (talk) 19:49, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographic

message: I have had it with the edit warring over the Somaliland-Somlia dispute. Use the talk page talk, IPs and new accounts. The issue has been debated at length, and we have reached consensus to go with Somaliland. But feel free to contribute further to the discussion concerning this. But the constant back-and-fourth is not acceptable. I have semiprotected the article for one week, and further protection will be longer, so if you have something to add, do so here, on the talk page. El_C 21:33, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks for doing this, it has been going for far too long. Any chance of extending protection to some of the other pages the sock is active on? Kzl55 (talk) 16:56, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit warring

message: LibanBuhodle (talk) 18:25, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Please clarify the changes you would like to make in the format "change X to Y". --Kzl55 (talk) 18:34, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sool Region is mostly inhabited by the DHULBAHANTE  -LibanBuhodle  18:34, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 July 2017 

message: Linkjan2014, please use the talk page before reverting content. EELagoon (talk) 06:43, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undone 

message: SolidMali92 (talk) 15:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 October 2020 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. Acknowledging the objections, it appears there is sufficient consensus for the article to be moved to . (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 02:26, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sool, Somalia →  – The title is unrelated as Sool is a part of Somaliland and is described as that throughout the entire article. There is almost no mention of Somalia save for the part that covers Somaliland's dispute with Puntland over the region.
Another thing is that Sool is under Somaliland's control and jurisdiction. Somalia has no sovereignty over the region. Dabaqabad (talk) 01:24, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 June 2021 

message: Sool, Somalia is a city part of Somalia even though it’s claimed by the unrecognized state of Somaliland. It is crucial that we follow and respect international laws by respecting the Federal republic of Somalia and her sovereignty. Marking one of her regions as Somaliland is a direct threat to her sovereignty, thank you. 174.214.28.68 (talk) 14:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Please discuss above.  ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 June 2021 

message: Please see the category talk page for issues relating to conformity in editing articles about the disputed territory between Somaliland and Puntland. Amirah talk 16:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category talk:Disputed territory between Somaliland and Puntland 

message: I removed what you added about the Fiqishini since the source you cited could not be found. I've added sourced content that confirm that the Fiqishini are Habar Gidir/Hawiye. Gebagebo (talk) 23:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   The Ajuran claim in the "repertoires" source is arguably more credible since it gives two tertiary citations (1, Schlee, and 2, field research), whereas in the 2015 source a tertiary citation isn't given. By the way both sources state that Fiqishini is integrated into the Baho Nugaaleed both segmentally and politically. If you're unable to access the "repertoire" source for the second point, see page 103 in the source you used which says an analogous thing. Heesxiisolehh (talk) 23:42, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Key word is "second point". My second point wasn't about Ajuran. Heesxiisolehh (talk) 01:18, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiqishini 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. Moving to Sool per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:24, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sool, Somaliland →  – This article about the Sool region was for a long time previously called Sool, Somalia, it was moved to this current recently. A less controversial name for the page would be Sool (Region). The region is contested by Somalia, Puntland, Somaliland, and Khaatumo. It would limit the edit warring that regularly occurs on the article if this move is made. Moreover, readers would find the page more easily via search engines, at the moment there is no consensus on which entity the region should be attributed to: see my [page] and a in-depth discussion ragarding points of contention here. Shirshore (talk) 02:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

text: *It's possible if there's consensus, yes. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

text: "The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached". Cordless Larry (talk) 17:37, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 10 March 2022 

message: You have reverted sourced edits without clear explanation. Please self revert. Thanks, Shirshore (talk) 14:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  March 22 

message: I saw your edit. The beginning of the edition by you is accompanied by the sources [5]-[10]. These sources clearly state that the Sool region is a disputed area between Somaliland and Puntland. On the other hand, unfortunately, there is no source for the statement that your version indicates that Somaliland is the only country that owns the Sool region. For this reason, I have reverted your version. Freetrashbox (talk) 05:00, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country 

message: I saw your edit. Your description makes it seem as if Sool is an inherent territory of Somaliland and Puntland is unjustly invading it. This statement is highly contrary to the "neutral point of view" policy. If you are going to make the statement as you suggest, you need to give a clear source. Freetrashbox (talk) 13:57, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to state "(Hudun is the) region of Somaliland", you need to indicate a reliable source. Freetrashbox (talk) 14:17, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your revert 

message: 2001:14BB:CE:B816:9857:D012:6D12:2F7F (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't seem to have requested an edit here. TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 15:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2023 

message: I saw your edit. You changed my description
:Sool (, ) is an administrative region (gobol) in south eastern Somaliland /north western Somalia.
to
:Sool (, ) is an administrative region (gobol) in south eastern Somaliland .
by the reason "unnecessary edit - Section on territory dispute is mentioned."
However, your editing is inappropriate. First, the "Territorial dispute" section refers to the dispute between Somaliland and Puntland, not the dispute with Somalia. The word Somalia should not be removed on this basis. Second, even if Puntland were to be read as Somalia, it would be contrary to WP:POV to erase only Somalia, leaving Somalidand on the other hand. In this case, either both should be erased or both should be left. Either of these would be fine, but I think both should left, as the place name Sool is probably unknown to all but those familiar with the area. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This issue has been previously debated and consensus has been reached that Sool is under Somaliland.  This page was previously protected to prevent edit warring and the fact that you are continuing this edit war shows bad faith.  Please stop continuing to revert the page. Madarkis (talk) 18:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

text: There is no somalia government presence in this region as indicated by the sources in the article  theres no need to put somalia flag as its a region of somaliland under Somaliland government control. Hawkers994 (talk) 12:31, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Rever to my earlier reply, sources in article and government presence on the ground say otherwise. WO:POV says opinions are not fatcs. Hawkers994 (talk) 11:20, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Badhan is not even in this region its an entirely different region, all sources show there is no somalia presence in this entire region  infoboxes should relate to that. WO:POV says opinions are not fatcs.
 Is the above comment in response to my "there are more than two opinions"? Both of the pages shown here are from reliefweb.info. The source you indicated (which I actually found) says "Sool region, located in Somaliland's southeast." Another source (here's one I found, too.) says "Sool region, Somalia." Both documents were written by reliefweb.info and are not much different in reliability. If the latter is unreliable, then the former is also unreliable. Yet you say the former is reliable while the latter is not. This alone shows that you are not protecting WP:POV. In addition to this, your editing attitude is different in Sool and Badhan. (A Somali language video is not evidence in English Wikipedia. In addition, Berbera News is a Somaliland mass media outlet, and its statements regarding Somaliland's claims are not neutral.)  Freetrashbox (talk) 11:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somaliland or Somaliland/Somalia 

message: MJ Abdi (talk) 18:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2023 

message: Sool region is no more under Somaliland administration 
Since 25th August, the last soldier wrapped the Somaliland's flag and left throughout the region's border after fierce fight between Ssc-Khaatumo administration and Somaliland.
The region was under control of Somaliland since 15th October 2007. Gaylame (talk) 09:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sool, Somalia 

message: If you are going to fix the article, please make sure it is in line with the source. Binglebarry, in your edit, you changed the subdivision_name from Somalia to Somaliland, but the source rather indicate that this place is not Somaliland. Please find references that indicate that this place is Somaliland, and make both sides of the argument. Khaatumo 12 and Muscab30, in your edits, you changed the first sentence from "Administrative divisions of Somaliland" to "Administrative divisions of Somalia," but the article on reliefweb.int, which is the source of this statement, indicates that the place is/was under the control of Somaliland as of 2022. There is absolutely no value in editing without checking the source. Freetrashbox (talk) 00:43, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  As per source 

message: @Binglebarry as per your discussion in here your argument is Sool is under Somaliland which is untrue. As per new updates on the news on 25th August SSC-Khaatumo forces removed Somaliland long occupation of Sool region after local residents experienced human right violations such torture, extrajudicial killing of civilians and indiscriminate shelling of civilians and civilian facilities in Laascaanod the capital city of Sool region. According to sources available on reliefweb.int Sool is one of the 18 administrative region of Somalia.dont regularly change pages without reliable and concrete evidences (refrefcence). @freetrahbox Muscab30 (talk) 01:54, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, Somaliland received international condemnation for the Las Anod hospital attack, but not as strongly overall; in the Las Anod battle, both sides involved in the fighting were blamed, not Somaliland unilaterally. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view carefully. Freetrashbox (talk) 04:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Clearly there is bias with this page and many like it in the Sool and Cayn articles, we have provided many proofs of sool being part of somalia, yet still there is debate. @Binglebarry is clearly turning a blind eye to the sources me and @Muscab30 shown for the ssc regions (check las anod talk page for sources), and yes, sool is an administrative divison of somalia, becuse somalia recognized it as so on october 19 2023. Any source that says sool is part of somaliland, is before the victory of the ssc forces in goojacde (august 25th 2023). What is even disrespectful to me and @Muscab30, is that we were threatened with a ban because of "bias" (from @Binglebarry), even though like i said, i have provided sources with my edit in the sool area. Speaking of no value, what does have no value though, is being the big bad wolf to facts, and trying to scare us away into not editing what is actually going on in the region. I know these articles need sources, but sometimes it  really is hard finding some when it comes to these regions. It also is disappointing (not saying these are 100% valid sources but an explanation of knowledge on the region.) is that i have personal connections that are in the regions giving me constant update. So it is up to the editors that can actually update this region and further do research to do their part and contribute. Food for thought........ Khaatumo 12 (talk) 01:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The Somalia Federal government's view is more neutral than that of the parties to the dispute. However, it would be difficult for them to see fairly that SSC-Khatumo, which wants to join Somalia, and Somaliland, which refuses to join Somalia. We need sources like BBC and VOA that have nothing to do with Somalia or Somaliland. Freetrashbox (talk) 02:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately BBC is not a trustable source in this case because they have another Somali channel called BBC Somali were most writers and journalists are primarily from Somalia. Binglebarry (talk) 04:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If you say that BBC Somali is not neutral because it is influenced by Somalia, then the logic is that the Somaliland government's announcement is also not neutral. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a half true statement as when the Somaliland government issues videos and articles/Documents they have evidence to back up their information. The "bias" in this situation of sources does not mean that the sources itself is fabricated. Please remember that I have given you many credible and recent sources with evidence that show that The Somaliland military is still existent and active inside the State of Sool. In addition to this the Governor of Sool is still administering the state within Somalilands control. Binglebarry (talk) 21:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: In territorial disputes, both parties usually have hard evidence. That alone does not make them neutral. If you are going to use such sources, make sure to add the proviso "according to Somaliland government" and further write the other party's side of the dispute, so that it is expressed in a neutral manner. Freetrashbox (talk) 23:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: From my sources which are mostly videos, they show where the military forces are situated. However the other parties sources are very vague and show no evidence whatsoever. They simply just have text with nothing proving the quote was really existent. Binglebarry (talk) 03:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Your explanation is not a good reason for you to engage in an editorial battle. It is amazing that you are still reverting on this page. Freetrashbox (talk) 04:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

text: This statement is very problematic were you say "I know these articles need sources, but sometimes it really is hard finding some when it comes to these regions. It also is disappointing (not saying these are 100% valid sources but an explanation of knowledge on the region.) is that i have personal connections that are in the regions giving me constant update". First off I want to state that you say "but sometimes it really is hard finding some when it comes to these regions" is a very contradicting statement where you admit to your sources don't have evidence making some or maybe all not credible. Also, whether its really hard or not, Wikipedia does not prefer not chose to uphold these type of statements. It does not matte id it is hard to find sources for you claims, If you can't find anything credible, then don't edit it in the first place. Second off I want to say that were you say "is that i have personal connections that are in the regions giving me constant update" is not okay whatsoever. From the most probable thought you are referring to "connections" to family members or friends. Please remember that this is not a credible source whatsoever. This is a "he said she said" type information and cannot be taken from at all. No where has wikipedia promoted this nor upheld this idea let alone news article pages. Such things are definitely considered Bias all the way. Binglebarry (talk) 04:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately for you your sources are contradictory. If you simply compare the pages title and the text following you will see that it says both "The protracted humanitarian crisis in Somaliland is multi-layered..." and then following this on the right hand bar says "Primary country - Somalia". Please remember that just because it is a a UN issued source does not mean it is always correct. Binglebarry (talk) 04:03, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sool, Somalia