Talk:Sinhala language/Archive 1

message: I disagree with the phonetic transcription of Sinhala to [ˈsiŋɦələ] and would suggest  [ˈsiŋɦɐlə]. I just noticed that I disagree with how Gair transcript Sinhala in general. Gair btw transcribed Sinhala as [ˈsinhələ]. -- Chartinael (talk) 08:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct that it is odd. As far as I know, unlike most Sinhala letters, හ is always stressed and pronounced [ha] and never [hə], regardless of where it occurs in a word. The pronunciation (based on the phonology table within the article) should be [siŋˈhalə]. Danielklein (talk) 05:29, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sinhala Phonetic Transcription 

message: Some old stuff that are not really notable but took a big space were moved here on Thursday, November 03, 2005. - Greenleaf 00:46, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Older Stuff

message: O.K. I'm tired of this revert warring about "Sinhala" versus "Sinhalese". For now the lemma is "Sinhala" and in line with our policy I will enforce the use of "Sinhala" in the article. If this is considered wrong, please follow the WP:RM process. --Pjacobi 16:03, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've protected the page, until the resolution of the naming conflict. --Pjacobi 17:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choice of lemma 

message: First off, language articles are not supposed to have long list of words. There's really no point it that. Also, since the title of the page is at Sinhala, why do you keep changing it to Sinhalese? Your choice of "Veddha" over "Veddah" is may be "correct" to you, or to others, but on Wikipedia, we don't use what people believe to be correct", but what is most commonly used. "Veddah" recieves 9,280 Google hits, while "Veddha" recives 753. --Hottentot
:I am in favour of keeping the long list of words but putting them on a separate page linked to this one. There are many such articles for English and other languages: List of English words of Irish origin, Words of Russian derivation, List of replaced loan words in Turkish, etc. — Hippietrail 01:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed on this. Greenleaf 04:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the anon should stop changing the page 

message: The article and infobox contradict each other. One says there are 15 million people speak Sinhala while the other says 13 million. These figures need to be verified. GizzaChat © 09:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ethnologue gives 13 million, so I've changed it as such. —Khoikhoi 05:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Just realied the text says 16 mil and the factbox 15 mil. Not right. So according to the reasons I gave above I'm making the Factbox 16 mil too. --snowolfd4 06:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: Wijeratne makes a good case against the "initial /v/ which developed into /b/" hence added  disputed tag. Also disputed is "settlers from North-western India." Clozapine 05:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Western" features 

message: Regarding "An example for an Eastern feature is the ending -e for masculine nominative singular (instead of Western -o) in Sinhala Prakrit" -- What are the examples? Clozapine 05:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Eastern" features 

message: As far as I know there is no dispute to the fact that 
:"About the 5th century BCE, settlers from North-Western India reached the island of Lanka"
I couldn't find anything this talk page anyway. So unless anyone can clarify why it's disputed, I'm removing the tags. --snowolfD4 14:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the disputed tags and brought the article back in accordance with the generally accepted statements of Wilhelm Geiger and others (see the References section). Cheers, Krankman 09:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing disputed tag 

message: Can someone help render Sudhanamva, "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Sinhalese script? Thanks! Chris 03:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sinhalese Scouting

message: I added a link to the article Sinhala Slang which actually hosted to my user-space. However, it was removed immmediately stateting that 'should not link to the userspace'. Is there a rigid rule in WP which says that Wiki articles should never link to user space, even as an external link? Ritigala Jayasena 06:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sinhala Slang

message: Hello,
we have to come to an agreement as to how we represent Spoken Sinhala. Gair and other American scholars use <ə> at all places where phonetically there is a [ə], thus <kərənəva> and <malə>, regardless of whether the phonetic [ə] is a realization of /a/ or of /ə/ (FYI, /kəranavaa/ and /mala/ with all open non-initial /a/s reduced to <ə>[ə])
I myself am more in favor of using <a> at all places where [ə] is a realization of /a/, and to only use <ə> in places where it is a realization of /ə/, which basically means only the stem of kər "to make".
Now if someone says we should stick to the published sources, that's right of course, but in that case we would have to use a delta-like sign, actually some mathematical symbol of differential operator, because that is what Gair uses, presumably for want of a better font.
I will leave the article as it is, but it would be nice to find a consensus here. Jasy jatere 18:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue with representing sinhala from a phonetic point of view is, that sinhala varies from region to region. So one could of course  choose to adhere to spoken standard, however, the issue with phonetic/phonemic representation could be avoided if we adhered to the NLAC transcription standard for indian languages using alphasyllabaries. We could mention pronounciation rules - such as you did and leave it at representing the syllables according to romanization. However, if you want to also do a phonetic representation, I would stick to phonemic and than the phonemes short and long a would be distinct from short and long e. However, all aspirated phonemes are no longer, so there is another issue on the phonetic/phonemic level. So if phonemic at all, I reckon IPA should be stuck to. Maybe time for a revolutionizing pronounciation dictionary of the sinhala language ;-) telling everyone what the standard ought to be. -- Chartinael (talk) 13:41, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  phonetic or phonemic rendering of Sinhala, esp schwa 

message: Hello,
an IP has redirected Sinhalese language to Sinhala language. Before, the redirect was the other way round. I think this should be discussed first, so I have reverted it to the original state. If we decide that the change should be done, then a proper move (including talk page) should be requested.
Jasy jatere (talk) 09:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  redirects 

message: Hello. Is somewhere any image showing this language written? In my browser (Firefox 3.0) it's rendering like 2x2 matrix with hexadecimal numbers. --DJ Jeri (talk) 12:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For a start, perhaps Sinhala alphabet may be helpful. --Tenmei (talk) 16:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text example 

message: 'Sinhala' is the preferred word for the language as per the Sri Lankan constitution and ISO 639:
 18. 3[(1)] The Official Language of Sri Lanka shall be Sinhala. (Constitution of Sri Lanka)
 sin si Sinhala; Sinhalese (ISO 639)
Harshula (talk) 06:38, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Sinhala' Vs 'Sinhalese' 

message: Could somebody translate නිරිපොල. It is a short article that has been nominated for deletion as 'nonsense' as some people do not recognise it as a different language. Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 18:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request 

message: Under "Writing system" we see  "Sinhala also knows hal kirama and uses two differing virama symbols depending on the basic grapheme to explicitly indicate the lack of a vowel." Could one of the knowledgable editors please clarify this? I get the impression that virama symbols are sound-killers, but I could find nothing on "hal kirama". (I assume "knows" in this sentence should be "recognizes" or "uses".) Thanks -- Jo3sampl (talk) 19:32, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! -- Jo3sampl (talk) 03:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request (done) 

message: Should this be fixed? In one section it states that kanavā corresponds to the Hindi khānā.  It actually doesn't, the corresponding Hindi word would be khātā (masculine) or khāti (feminine). The Hindi word khānā could be translated to Sinhales as kanna, as in they should both be in the infinitive form.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.3.133.3 (talk) 04:33, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I believe the error is in the actual Sinhala and not so much the comparison, kanavā is not the same as "to eat", kanavā is "I eat".  Kanna is equivalent to "to eat" I will change it accordingly.  For comparison here are the infinitive form of the verb in all three languages; English: to eat, Sinhala: kanna, Hindi: khānā.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdgan1 (talk • contribs) 00:18, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  කනවා kanawā is indeed the infinitive of "to eat". It is the lemma form found in dictionaries. It is also used the way we would use the present indicative in English, but without conjugation, i.e. "we eat", "he eats", etc. are all translated using කනවා invariably. කන්න kanna is the imperative form. Fortunately, someone discovered the error in 2012 and fixed it. Danielklein (talk) 10:19, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slight error in comparison to Hindi 

message: I believe this is a mistake and it should be removed from there.
:By the way, not relative, but add your signature when you posting again. ʂaɳɖaƙɘɭʉɱ ʈaɭƙ 06:11, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is telugu among the Indo-Aryan languages in the number comparison table? 

message: At the table, I think "hatara" should be "hathara" and "hata" should be "hatha". Because if we pronounce it as "hatara" it becomes "හටර" and "hata" becomes "හට". That "h" even needed when we convert Singlish to Unicodes, not just pronouncing. Maybe I'm wrong or this already been discussed before. Sorry for any inconvenience. ʂaɳɖaƙɘɭʉɱ ʈaɭƙ 21:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No one replied since. So I fixed it. You are free to undo if you can verify that it pronounce like it was before. ʂaɳɖaƙɘɭʉɱ ʈaɭƙ 03:58, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Those words were written with th all the time, but someone changed them recently. (By the way, what u have corrected is just pronounciation or transliteration, I do not think it is called Singlish. Singlish is Sinhala-English mix or broken English, I think.... ). --SriSuren (talk) 06:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I know. But no one pronounce (not talking about writing language, even if it does, it's almost the same) it as "හටර" or "හට". So I guess "h" needs along with "t". Let's see what others say. ʂaɳɖaƙɘɭʉɱ ʈaɭƙ 06:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct. "ta" and "tha" are different sounds and it is "hathara" and not "hatara". The problem with trying to correct this kind of thing is, somebody will always have a different opinion and start a huge discussion about it.... so it is upto each editor what they want to correct and use their time on. You'll learn when you have been here for sometime :) --SriSuren (talk) 06:25, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, exactly. Thank you. Appreciate your time. ʂaɳɖaƙɘɭʉɱ ʈaɭƙ 06:47, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the [[Sinhala_language#Numerals|Sinhala vs. Singlish]] 

message: https://archive.org/details/sin00wickhaleseselftaurich
https://archive.org/details/englishsinhalese00cartrich
https://archive.org/details/sinhaleseenglish00clourich
https://archive.org/details/singhalesegramma00lambrich
https://archive.org/details/colloquialsinhal00pererich
https://archive.org/details/athethawakyadeep00mend
https://archive.org/details/LitteraturUndSpracheDerSinghalesen
https://archive.org/details/singhalesetransl00brow
A Vocabulary of the English, Sinhalese, and Tamil Languages
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZIP_nn4Y3PgC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 04:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sinhala language materials 

message: The language is Sinhala, not Sinhalese. As same with Tamil and say, Hindi. They are not Tamilese or Hindian are they? We call Chinese or Japanese to those languages because they are the native languages of those respective countries. Same goes for French and German. I think you get my point. 112.134.40.211 (talk) 03:58, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point is moot.  The only question is what is the most common name in English.  What do the reliable sources call this language in English?  A brief perusal of my books on world languages, Indo-European, and Indo-Aryan show a 12-3 preference for Sinhalese over Sinhala.  That's fairly determinative.  --Taivo (talk) 05:10, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It is kind of funny how people measure the "most common name in English". --Lee (talk) 16:34, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is *English* Wikipedia.--obi2canibetalk contr 17:20, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article move request - Sinhala language, not "sinhalese" language 

message: I removed the following table from the main body as out of place - this is an article on Sinhalese language, not on comparative linguistics. The table even contained... Japanese numerals. Anyone willing to explain why?
  	Sinhalese                                                                	Maldivian	Sanskrit	Hindi 	Persian      	Nepali	Greek            	Latin   	Portuguese	Romanian	Bengali    	English	French	Spanish	Russian	Polish  	Italian	Latvian	Lithuanian	Japanese
1 	eka (එක)                                                                 	ekeh     	éka     	ek    	yek (یک)     	yek   	(h)éna (ἕνα)     	unus    	um        	unu     	æk (এক)    	one    	un    	uno    	odin   	jeden   	uno    	viens  	vienas    	ichi (ー)
2 	deka (දෙක)                                                               	dey      	dvá     	do    	do (دو)      	dui   	dío (δύο)        	duo     	dois      	doi     	dui (দুই)  	two    	deux  	dos    	dva    	dwa     	due    	divi   	du        	ni (二)
3 	thuna (තුන)                                                              	thineh   	trí     	teen  	se (سه)      	tin   	tría (τρία)      	tria    	três      	trei    	tin (তিন)  	three  	trois 	tres   	tri    	trzy    	tre    	trīs   	trys      	san (三)
4 	hathara (හතර)                                                            	hathareh 	catúr   	chaar 	chahār (چهار)	char  	téssera (τέσσερα)	quattuor	quatro    	patru   	char (চার) 	four   	quatre	cuatro 	chetyre	cztery  	quattro	četri  	keturi    	shi/yon (四)
5 	paha (පහ)                                                                	faheh    	páñca   	paanch	panj (پنج)   	pach  	pénte (πέντε)    	quinque 	cinco     	cinci   	pañch (পাঁচ)	five   	cinq  	cinco  	pyat'  	pięć    	cinque 	pieci  	penki     	go (五)
6 	haya (හය)                                                                	hayeh    	ṣáṣ     	chheh 	shesh (شش)   	chha  	(h)éxi (ἕξι)     	sex     	seis      	șase    	chhoy (ছয়)	six    	six   	seis   	shest' 	sześć   	sei    	seši   	šeši      	roku (六)
7 	hatha (හත)                                                               	hatheh   	sápta   	saat  	haft (هفت)   	saat  	(h)eptá (ἑπτά)   	septem  	sete      	șapte   	shat (সাত) 	seven  	sept  	siete  	sem'   	siedem  	sette  	septiņi	septyni   	nana/shichi (七)
8 	aṭa (අට)                                                                 	asheh    	áṣṭa    	aath  	hasht (هشت)  	aath  	októ (ὀκτώ)      	octo    	oito      	opt     	aat (আট)   	eight  	huit  	ocho   	vosem' 	osiem   	otto   	astoņi 	aštuoni   	hachi (八)
9 	nawaya (නවය)formal register; the contemporary spoken form is namaya (නමය)	nuvayeh  	náva    	naun  	noh (نه)     	nau   	ennéa (ἐννέα)    	novem   	nove      	nouă    	noy (নয়)  	nine   	neuf  	nueve  	devyat'	dziewięć	nove   	deviņi 	devyni    	kyuu (九)
10	dahaya (දහය)                                                             	dehayeh  	dáśa    	das   	dah (ده)     	dash  	déka (δέκα)      	decem   	dez       	zece    	dosh (দশ)  	ten    	dix   	diez   	desyat'	dziesięć	dieci  	desmit 	dešimt    	jyu (十)
— kashmiri TALK 18:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: lol I don't know XD (probably somebody on drugs who believed that Japanese was Indo-European) — AWESOME meeos ！  *  ([nʲɪ‿bʲɪ.spɐˈko.ɪtʲ]) 12:17, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks cool, but we should move such lists to Wiktionary and focus only comparing it with other Indo-Aryan languages. — Stevey7788 (talk) 22:41, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numerals