Talk:Shadow the Hedgehog (video game)

message: according to the Internet Movie Database, Ryan Drummond and David Humphery voice Sonic and Shadow respectively in this game, but are uncredited. Does anyone know if this is true or, as I would put it, "unsourced fanboy information"?
:No. It is not true. It is merely, as you would put it, "unsourced fanboy information." Plus, you spelled David Humphrey's last name wrong.
Jason Anthony Griffith voices both Sonic and Shadow in this game and onwards. Though the original voices (excluding the deceased Deem Bristow, who voiced Eggman) could be coming back. No-one knows for sure. Mkrox (talk) 06:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryan Drummond and David Humphery 

message: I notice that the review section is obviously heavily biased against the game. Considering it got an "average" or something on game rankings, it probably had a similar amount of complaints and praise. But this sectoin is almost entirely negative. Shouldn't it be balanced out a bit better? Someone who doesnt know any better may get the impression that this game had only bad points and wasn't praised for anything. MindWraith (talk) 06:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well actually I already added in SOME good reception a long time ago last year when I edited that section. I added in the sentence of GameTrailers giving the game an 8.3 and also, at the bottom of the reception section, there is a paragraph that states how the game did better with reception towards the non-reviewers. such as the average user rating on a gamesite to be a 7.7 or something. Do you think we should add better reception? The only game sites that praised the game were GT and Nintendo Power, and a couple other un-popular game sites that I can't recall.--S200048 (talk) 15:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review section 

message: Has there at least been any hints by Sonic Team that there is going to be a sequel to this game (or a game in a similar gameplay style with a different character)?58.174.98.29 (talk) 01:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, sorry Titan50 (talk) 17:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What was the name of the magazine? Lightman2 (talk) 09:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sequel? 

message: Is the list of endings really necessary? They make the article seem too game-guide-ish, which is what Wikipedia is not. Can we get rid of them?--142.77.234.78 (talk) 19:17, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I went ahead and tagged that section. BlizzardandBlaze (talk) 10:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endings 

message: I saw this in the article: "The game's most well-known tagline is; "Hero or villain? You decide." Others include "Who do you fight when you don't know what you're fighting for?"; "Will he be good? Or evil? No one knows but you - Shadow the Hedgehog..."; "This time... Evil will face Evil!", and "Find the computer room!""
Is the "Find the computer room!" quote really that necessary? I don't think it is because it's not describing the game like the other quotes, just highlighting an annoying line from the game. Lightman2 (talk) 09:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is mere humor from a vandal. If it appears again just delete it Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 19:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: Here's the dutch page to the Shadow the Hedgehog article. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_the_Hedgehog_(computerspel)  If anyone could put it on the language list... (I don't know how to) Thanks. 82.139.71.119 (talk) 11:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch page 

message: Can anyone find any sources for the controversy section? I've looked on the internet but can't find any. Tezero (talk) 18:12, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Shadow the Hedgehog (video game)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "gamespot":
From Sonic Rush: 
From Sonic and the Secret Rings: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 16:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Shadow the Hedgehog (video game)]] 

message: "Mixed ratings" should stay as that has been used and is verifiable. Classifying it as anything else would be POV. BOVINEBOY2008 04:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Who has called these mixed ratings? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:18, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I still don't see why we really have to say either. As far as I know, there is no source that says anything about the majority of critics's reviews for this game, so it seems to me that this statement is original research that comes from editors' experience with these reviews (which admittedly do seem mostly negative). Even worse is that it is the subject of edit wars with an apparently biased point of view on one side. Wouldn't the best solution be just to find a source for it or just delete it? CIGraphix (talk) 12:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I knew very little of this game before I started working on the article; I didn't have a pre-existing POV about it. I still think it should be with "mostly negative". The reviews shown demonstrate how that is the case; there are only two positive ones. Tezero (talk) 13:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not picking on you Tez, but I think your argument shows a classic example of OR (as I understand it): make an original assertion (original in that it is not stated anywhere else known, in this case the assertion that most reviews are negative), then back it up with supporting researched information (a list of reviews that are mostly negative). Since it is just used to introduce a section, this seems like a minor case of OR; so I'm not proposing cases like this be cut from all articles. But because this one has created a disruptive edit war, the case is different. I think the statement should be sourced or deleted. CIGraphix (talk) 13:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After thinking about it, I agree with removing the summary of "mostly negative" altogether. We can show that reviewers each said this and that; we can show a NPOV, representative sample of opinions; but I'm uncomfortable with drawing a blanket conclusion for the reader. Let readers judge for themselves how to interpret the ratings. For what it's worth, I would call ~50% "mostly negative", personally. But I can't support an article at FAC in good conscience that concludes that without a source beyond individual reviews. —TKD [talk][c] 11:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings 

message: Just to clear it up, "Free" was a rating in the CERO system prior to them adopting the A, B, C, D, Z system (I remember it being Free, 12, 15, 18). Shadow the Hedgehog came before this change (released 2005, change in early 2006) in the system took place, so it was rated "Free". http://image4.play-asia.com/350/PA.48807.002.jpg <-- is the Japanese Xbox cover art, and you can see it marked Free as well. Just saying so since there's been confusion over that. 174.59.10.77 (talk) 01:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  CERO 

message: Why is it listed under handheld main? The argument that "Well, it furthered the storyline" is irrelevant - if that were the case, Sonic Battle would be under handheld main rather than spinoff since its storyline was the precursor to Sonic Advance 3 (which is main). Besides, unlike Sonic Battle, Shadow the Hedgehog seems to be one-shot anyway. I'm just saying that Sonic Battle has an edge over it in terms of relevancy, yet they're in separate categories for what seems to be the same reason. 208.101.147.253 (talk) 16:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd tend to say the distinguishing feature between main series and spinoff titles in the Sonic series is genre; Shadow the Hedgehog is a platformer whereas Sonic Battle is a fighting game. I half agree with you in terms of storylines: Sonic Battle does tie in to the main series storyline, but so does this game, especially to Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Heroes, which are definitely main series games. Tezero (talk) 19:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shadow the Hedgehog should be a spinoff title. 

message: And I am new. Is this okay? It is about "Trivia." I work at Wikia which also uses MediaWiki, so I am familiar with this type of stuff. -- Gar-Art Studios (talk) 22:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: While your good-faith edit is appreciated, I've removed it because Wikipedia does not allow trivia sections. Please see WP:TRIVIA and WP:HTRIV for more information. DKqwerty (talk) 01:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I made a minor edit to the article... 

message: I think someone has vandalised the section about the Lost and Found: Shadow the Hedgehog Vocal Trax album... They've listed titles such as "Gee by Girls Generation, Fire Burning, and Erasure's Always", none of which are featured in the game or the album.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.219.252.146 (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're quite right. Thanks. Tezero (talk) 02:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Hmm, those articles seem to have been redirected just last month. I'll add the tracklists here; thanks for alerting! Tezero (talk) 16:58, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost and Found: Shadow the Hedgehog Vocal Trax Error 

message: The map of the Levels is incorrect:
1. There are only 3 Levels in the 3rd Stage.
2. Levels with only 2 Missions do not have a Normal-Mission, except in the 5th Stage.
3. 5. full-hero has a Hero- and a Normal-Mission, 5. full-dark has a Dark- and a Normal-Mission.
I edited the Map, can anyone upload it on Wikipedia? It ist here: http://image-upload.de/image/eZ1lFf/1346923ee2.jpg
--178.191.232.173 (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Level-Map 

message: Can someone explain how this falls within WikiProject United States? If no one can, the project tag should probably be removed. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:31, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL... yeah, that should probably never have been there.  Removed. –Prototime  04:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is way late, but I added it because I figured back in 2009 that it was relevant back as the game stands out somewhat in its grouping (Sonic games) as being American. I got the idea from the talk page for Megatokyo, which... is still in that project. Tezero (talk) 02:14, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject United States 

message: In the second sentence it says "Featuring the titular character...". But "titular" means "in name only". I think the word that is wanted is "eponymous". Granted, titular in the sense used appears to be the process of migrating from "simple error" to "a sufficient number of semi-literate people use it this way, so it is now acceptable". However, we are not there yet (I hope) and at any rate it is grating. Herostratus (talk) 20:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked two different dictionaries, and both listed your preferred meaning as the second meaning, with "related to or having the nature of a title" as the first, which strongly suggests (despite your snark) that this is the older and/or better established usage. (If anything, I would suspect the "in name only" sense to have been an ironic derivative of the older meaning; one which in its time migrated from simple—if deliberate—error.) My sources also suggest that "titular role" in reference to, e.g. a play, is well attested and established use.  Your "not there yet" turns out to not only be "already there", but may well be a case of "where we actually started" (more or less).  Xtifr tälk 00:39, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titular 

message: Can anyone tell me how this got to be a featured article? It's a really short article about something which to be totally honest, isn't important or notable, either historically or even within the Sonic franchise.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.216.120.139 (talk) 18:26, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article 

message: Is there some sort of option to censor the swears? Because that's something you'd never expect a Sonic character to do, swear. Because Shadow does swear in this game. Pgj1997 (talk) 18:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there isn't, but in the future, please only use this talk page to discuss changes to the article; Wikipedia talk pages aren't for general discussions. Thanks! – 01:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bleep 

message: Typing in "Ow The Edge" redirects here. Just sayin'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.176.184 (talk) 19:34, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ow The Edge 

message: I already reverted two changes on this page. One of the changes was labelled as a failed attempt to re-categorize this game as a first-person shooter, done by a Facebook page that I like.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.222.72.180 (talk) 04:02, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please semi-protect this page 

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message: Shadow the Hedgehog is not a spin-off, a spin-off suggests it's unrelated to the main core plot/story of a series/franchise. Shadow the Hedgehog is not only canonical, but ti's directly linked to the events of three other games. I vote that the word "spin-off" is removed from the article and in the Sonic the Hedgehog box at the bottom of the page, Shadow be taken off of the "spin-off" category and moved to mainline games. 71.178.34.108 (talk) 13:47, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a spin-off from Sonic. As in, it's not Sonic. It's no different from how we don't consider Luigi's Mansion a mainline entry in the Super Mario series of games. We've had extensive discussions on this, and consensus is to call it a spinoff. (Which is what a ton of reliable sources call it as well, which is what we write Wikipedia according to.) Sergecross73 msg me 19:16, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is complete nonsense, there are several examples in games where there are canon games featuring other characters and it's not considered a "spin-off" why is Sonic exempt from this rule? Especially since Shadow is directly related to the plot? (Also half the soruces referenced on the Shadow page don't call it a spin-off so if you want to use the RS excuse we can count all the references and see which is higher if you want to play semantics.) 71.178.34.108 (talk) 15:21, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you've refused to do the research, I'll do it for you. See this past discussion, which shows a ton of sources that were dug up that call Shadow a spinoff. There is both reliable sourcing, and consensus, in favor of calling it a spinoff. Conversely, your argument about "fictional continuity or whether or not its cannon" is not a valid argument on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 15:29, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

text: Yuji Naka described Shadow as a spinoff in this interview. The plots being connected doesn't change this—all MCU movie plots are connected, but that doesn't make Captain America: Civil War a sequel to Avengers: Age of Ultron.  JOEBRO64 18:23, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spin-off 

message: Why is Sonic Stadium an unreliable source? Svend Joscelyne is a professional journalist who has published in reliable third party sources. DrKay (talk) 16:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic Stadium 

message: WTF. The GameCube version is mixed. So the "DO NOT CHANGE TO "MIXED" AS THIS IS NOT WHAT METACRITIC SAYS. Thank you." Would not be the best idea. Benjaminkirsc (talk) 23:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  DO NOT CHANGE TO "MIXED" AS THIS IS NOT WHAT METACRITIC SAYS. Thank you. 

message: Am I the only one that thinks that the name of the theme song, as well as a sample of it, should be added to the article? Or is it better to leave it out? YeetZmeN (talk) 14:19, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme song 

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message: There's a section in the plot that refers to Heroes where Shadow sees the other androids and wonders if he to is one at the beginning in the intro cutscene...this both doesn't happen in Heroes (he never goes into that room, it's Rouge and Omega) and in Shadow this only happens when entering Lava Shelter- a non cannon ending Shadow Reviews (talk) 01:33, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we stop adding this into the "plot" 

message: If this is deemed reliable, then it's worth adding to the article. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki (talk | contribs) 02:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source claiming that this game (and thus the series) was gonna pull a ''[[Conker's Bad Fur Day]]'' (in my words) at one point