Talk:The Perks of Being a Wallflower

message: There are many cases of this book being censored and banned in the United States due to sexual content and adult themes. I think we should add a section including these controversies and why the censors feel this book is inappropriate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahtrissel (talk • contribs) 17:11, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What they are calling "banning" and "censorship" seem to be disputes between teachers and other authorities over whether a teacher can assign a book, which is a different question.   Calling that "censorship" is just inflammatory.  Teachers aren't always right.  I remember in college a teacher assigning a (nonfiction) work which I found almost worthless.  It turned out that the book's author was a friend of the teacher and the assignment resulted in the author making money at students' expense. 2001:558:6011:1:E406:4A65:5CD1:785C (talk) 15:10, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Book censorship

message: I notice the link to the Misfits song, "Where Eagles Dare" does not actually link to the album the song was released on but to a World War II movie. I just made my account so I'm unable to fix it myself but I assume someone else could. For convenience, here's the link to the album: Night of the Living Dead (song)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrotherNikolai (talk • contribs) 02:11, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor correction, "Where Eagles Dare"

message: Is the poemhunter site really that legit? I remember reading in the front of the book some professor that wrote 'absolutely nothing' and some other poems by that author cited in the article on the poem hunter page are accused of stealing work.  (I hope that sentence was coherent or understandable) --208.71.222.219 (talk) 05:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: poem hunter

message: From: wikipedia page on perks of being a wallflower: "The book also touches strongly on drug use and Charlie's experiences with this". What? Charlie smokes butts and weed once or twice, as well as drinks a little. I think this phrase should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.111.199 (talk) 12:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He also took LSD, started buying Marijuana and using it regularly, as well as unknowingly taking 'Pot brownies,' I don't find this to be a strong use, but not a light one. JavaDog 13:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Correction

message: There has been a lot of criticisms of this book from parents trying to ban it to plainly book critics classifiying the book as "emo". Should a criticisms section be added?
I would say it would be unnecessary, unless there are some sources that support it and not just a book review either. Maybe some interviews or articles from somewhere. Plus, I wouldn't consider it that significant to add so much of a criticism, at least right now. Pigman5 02:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here are some citations on a case in Wallingford, Connecticut where the book was banned.
"Censorship Dateline." Newsletter on Intellectual Freedom 64.3 (2015): 89-71. Web.
Luther Turmelle, New,Haven Register. "Banning Books Detrimental to Students, Wallingford Residents Told." New Haven Register (CT)Oct 06 2015. Web.
Record, ERIC V. "Coming of Age Novel Focus of Wallingford School Review." Associated Press State Wire: Connecticut (CT)Apr 12 2015. Web.
Vo, Eric. "Committee Returns 'Perks' to Curriculum." Record-Journal (Meriden, CT): A01. Apr 25 2015. Web.
---. "A Consensus on Texts, but Still Criticism." Record-Journal (Meriden, CT): A01. Aug 20 2015. Web.
---. "Groups Come to Defense of Removed Book." Record-Journal (Meriden, CT): A01. Mar 20 2015. Web.Ruesch97 (talk) 03:29, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticisms?

message: It is definetlya´a book anyone can relate to.
Charlie is a wallflower who observes people and feels very deeply for the experiences occuring around him. His favorite Aunt Helen died in a car accident when he was six, and he holds himself accountable, and his best friend committed suicide a year before he began the letters. His English teacher realizes Charlie's potential and brilliance and asks him to try and participate, which Charlie agrees to do. He becomes friends with two seniors Patrick and Samantha and begins to experience dances, parties, the Rocky Horror Picture Show, pot, love, bad trips and sexuality.
Charlie is the most peaceful and connected being I've ever known. I feel honored to have been introduced to him through reading this book. It's so wonderful that such a person that's so gratifying to know can be met by everyone, and is meant to be. Reading Charlie's letters is like befriending tha in your life you've been looking for.
The character list needs revising. Character lists are not meant to describe the plot of the story; they serve as a brief description of the characters. Knowing that Charlie has a sexual dream about Sam does not give any further information about Sam (she is already described as being beautiful). Other character summaries should be edited as well.
I believe Charlie was molested and it should be added to the wiki. I did a quick internet search and I'm not the only one who feels this way. http://qualvista.blogspot.com/2008/02/perks-of-being-wallflower-pt-1.html (last paragraph)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080106110553AANSdRA (question and the second answer)
Also, on page 204 it says (which made me come to this conclusion) "My brother and my sister and I were watching television with my Aunt Helen. Everything was in slow motion. The sound was thick. And she was doing what Sam was doing."  and on page 209 he says he knows his dreams were true and it happened every Saturday when they would watch TV. AdamWillis (talk) 13:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Charlie

message: Is this category really necessary?
what pedophilia is in this book?  i can't remember. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roxysmashsir43 (talk • contribs) .
:it's subtle, but it's there.  maybe you should reread the book.  it's mainly discussed toward the end.  in that way the category may be a bit of a spoiler. Sparsefarce 03:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aunt Helen was molested as a child, and towards the end it is revealed she molested Charlie.
also Sam was molested when she was 7 by her dads friend  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.20.122 (talk) 02:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Novels with a pedophile theme 

message: As it stands now the themes section is a list supported by absolutely no expository writing and citing no roots in the text itself. It brings down the quality of this entire article and I would like to nominate this list for removal if others agree. MrSmith85 05:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Themes section: worthwhile? 

message: I think the character list should either be cleaned up or gotten rid of all together. It reveals too many spoilers and is poorly written. Nakono 03:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Perksofbeingwallflower1.jpg

message: Don't you think that an article about The Perks of Being a Wallflower should include a little more than a list of other works referenced in the novel? Don't worry about spoilers. This is a Wiki, not an advertisement. Check out A Child Called It or The Catcher in the Rye pages for some good examples. I'll gladly start writing some new info for the page, but we need to start working up a list of topics to include. Some good examples would be a plot synopsis, a list of themes discussed in the novel, a discussion of the unique writing style, possible illnesses we can attribute to Charlie, etc. 
Bob Caveman - 4000 B.C. (talk) 07:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh. Bob, no one is paid to write material for wiki. If you can contribute, please do so. But don't whine about that fact that no one else has done so, yet. AniRaptor2001 (talk) 03:43, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about a wiki that doesn't suck? 

message: Should the plot summary maybe be corrected? Someone has written the plot summary of the film which differs in a big way from the novel. For example: "After Sam doesn't do well on the SAT exam, Charlie helps her to retake the test and score higher so that she can apply to Penn State." -- Correct me if I'm wrong but that doesn't happen in the novel. Also the reference to 
pony-tail Derek" - that nickname wasn't used in the novel to my recollection.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkennelly (talk • contribs) 04:24, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the plot should also mention that this movie's moral was that, by beating people up with your fists during a blackout, you: 1. are no longer the underdog, 2. get back in touch with the girl you like, 3. save that girl's stepbrother, 4. get thanks from that stepbrother's boyfriend. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 20:18, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary? 

message: Should we not take out the biased language of, "The film was a commercial success"? Maybe just take into account the money budget and revenue from box offices.
Also, Should there be negative reviews of the movie from credited sources? The film did not receive 100% success rate, so should we not include some analysis of the film other than the positive reviews?
Amb401 (talk) 14:39, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film Adaptations 

message: Some unreliable sources (Amazon review by a single user), and much of the material comes from YA media sources (Cosmopolitan). 
May need more information from scholarly articles to further the idea of the novel's success and popularity.
Jtc79 (talk) 14:42, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: I intend to delve into specific censorship cases of this novel. Included is a list of cases and sources that I intend to use. I also hope to rework sentence structure of some paragraphs and and film reviews from credible sources to the "Film" section.
Works Cited 
CANDACE PRESTON-COY, and Staff W. ThisWeek. "Parents and Students Defend Reading Choices." ThisWeek Community Newspapers (Columbus, OH): 01A. Apr 26 2007. Web. 
Christopher, Placek c. "Dist. 41 Debates Reinstating â€˜Perks of being a Wallflowerâ€™." Daily Herald (Arlington Heights, IL): 3. May 29 2013. Web. 
"During the Second Week of School, a Ninth Grade Pre-AP English." Post-Tribune (IN)Nov 26 2008. Web. 
LUCCA, VIOLET. "The Perks of being a Wallflower." Film Comment 48.5 (2012): 86-. JSTOR. Web. 
Luther Turmelle, New,Haven Register. "Banning Books Detrimental to Students, Wallingford Residents Told." New Haven Register (CT)Oct 06 2015. Web. 
"The Perks of Teaching 'Perks'." Record-Journal (Meriden, CT): D01. Aug 23 2015. Web. 
Vo, Eric. "Committee Returns 'Perks' to Curriculum." Record-Journal (Meriden, CT): A01. Apr 25 2015. Web. 
Amb401 (talk) 18:39, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship 

message: * Intro paragraph seems similar to that of a persuasive essay than an encyclopedic introduction
* In background section there are a lot of quotations used and while this isn't necessarily a bad thing it seemed like one large quote -- never hurts to paraphrase a little
* The article doesn't go into detail on the reasons why the book was challenged and what was used to justify those reasonings
* Some links are missing from things that I believe should be tagged -- like some of the drugs (including alcohol), the main character Rocky of the Rocky Horror show, suicide, the definition of realism, and possibly the definition of molestation so as to give readers a clearer insight
* Cite information other than articles? (Not always plausible)
Other than that I believed it was well written and gave clear, concise, and accurate portrayals of the book and the author. It presented both the negative and positive feedback the book received, limiting bias, as well as a thorough plot summary and background information. Mil2trill (talk) 02:18, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Evaluation 

message: I want to revise certain sentences to make them more concise:
Delete this sentence: "Charlie chooses that person because he said that he heard the person was nice and thought that this person would not be judgmental " because its not really relevant. 
Edit this sentence: "Charlie, whom Chbosky has said is '[his] hope in the form of a character', is loosely based on the author." to "Charlie was loosely based on Chbosky himself" to make the sentence less wordy.
Edit this sentence: "Chbosky first conceived random ideas, including 'a kid standing up in a tunnel', a girl he likes, and parties he goes to."  to "Chbosky incorporated both fictional ideas and personal experiences to the novel." 
Reword the first paragraph in the "Plot" section to :  Charlie, the 15-year-old protagonist, begins writing letters about his own life to an unknown recipient. In these letters he discusses his first year at high school and his struggles with two traumatic experiences: the suicide of his only middle-school friend, Michael Dobson, and the death of his favorite aunt, Helen.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talitavf (talk • contribs) 18:09, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New suggested edits for the article 

message: After evaluating this article, I believe it is important to re-organize the themes section as well as the reception/publication section of the article. There is a paragraph in the themes section that speaks about critiques of the book, which I believe are more relevant to the section about reception/publication. Additionally, it is important to highlight the backlash received after the film release and how that changed the public's perception of the novel.
Additionally, I believe that the first sentence in the "Background and Writing" section should be edited, or even removed, due to grammatical errors. Finally, the sentence in the "Plot" section speaking about the recipient of his letters is grammatically bizarre and out of context. I propose to either delete this sentence or condense it into the first sentence. 
Manuelaf99 (talk) 18:00, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manuelaf99's Proposed Edits 

message: Upon evaluating the article and reading over the talk page, I feel as though this article would benefit from the re-addition of a character list/ brief descriptions of each one. I also think that the "see also" section at the bottom of the article is confusing, as it only mentions 'repressed memory', though there are many other links that could be added to this category, for example, PTSD and molestation, which are hyperlinked already in the plot. I think that the see also section should be deleted altogether, and I can add the repressed memory hyperlink when it is relevant in the plot.
Sshekarchi (talk) 17:58, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with your consideration on "See also", but, regarding the characters, I think they are well covered by plot. MOS:NOVELS indeed states: "Most articles do not need this section. Instead, a finely crafted plot summary is used to introduce the characters to the reader". Gabriel Yuji (talk) 17:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  sshekarchi's intentions upon editing  

message: After evaluating the page, I think it's appropriate to also include a section that includes the scenes from the book that were deleted/omitted from the movie
Under the receptions part, for the purposes of clarity and cohesion, I think it's necessary to have all the negative feedback about the book and the positive ones grouped together instead of having them all jumbled up together in a paragraph. 
The following sentence is a run on sentence: "Wisconsin school board refused to ban the book, angering local parents, and the Glen Ellyn District 41 school board in suburban Chicago unanimously voted to reinstate the novel after it was removed from eighth-grade classrooms at Hadley Junior High School because of a parent's objection to its sexual content." To fix this too long of a sentence and needs to go into more depth about the specific situations. and chop the specific sections up into individual sentences. 
Amc452 (talk) 18:00, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: E GinHaku125 (talk) 14:00, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amc452 proposed edits