Template talk:Template for discussion

message: Apply this diff to Template:Template for discussion/dated to remove that jarring gray bottom border that's always overflowing to both sides (example). – Thjarkur (talk) 18:05, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . This edit does not appear to make a difference at the cited example when sandboxed. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 13:55, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It does for me, see this example. The top one has a gray border overflowing and the bottom one does not. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I had messed with your sandboxed version. Check your example again. I had gotten it to work; however, you may need a consensus for this. That border was put there by somebody for a reason. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 14:08, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  That "somebody" is , way back in 2005. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, * Pppery *, that's good research! So the border line has been there that long? 15 years is a good while for implied consensus. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 14:44, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

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===Anyone opposed to removing that overflowing border?===
Is anyone is opposed to removing this border? See example. I personally find it jarring, especially when it's over infoboxes and gives an overflowing line into the content. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:08, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

text: When used on an infobox, the parameter  should be used to reduce the width. Please give an example of an article having an infobox where it does overflow. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

text: That line may be of particular importance in mobile view (example). Moreover, I still have not seen the border line "overflowing" anywhere, and I use the largest text size in my browser coupled with a zoom level of 125%. I even tried raising the zoom level to 200% but was unable to make the line overflow anywhere. While I use IE to edit, I also checked your examples in Chrome and still saw no overflow. So I see no good reason to remove the border line. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 21:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I just tested it in preview with your Alex. I example using  both with and without the  parameter, and I was unable to see any overflow of the border line into the content – no overflow anywhere. So please show some examples of this overflow you've seen, and also, which browser version are you seeing this overflow with? P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 21:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Overflowing as in flowing over the template in question, which it does on all infoboxes and especially the thin ones. Not seeing any purpose on mobile. But very well, annoyance with this line may not be as common as I assumed. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:16, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I see what you mean. In your over-the-ibox example the line and looks like the template message itself does appear to conflict a little with lead content. I suppose that's been tolerated in the past because it's only a temporary situation? P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 13:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Still no example page names then. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:08, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There weren't any infoboxes for discussion then. Now however there is Infobox Scientist, so this line is seen on Carl Linnaeus and Albertus Magnus. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:19, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: On those articles, the border is exactly the same width as the box that it is part of, this box being a  having styling that includes the declarations padding: 0 0.2em; color: #000; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA; width: 22em - it's the fact that the infobox is less than (22em + 2 × 0.2em) wide that is causing the apparent "overflow". Unless we can force all infoboxes to be exactly the same width as one another, that mismatch will always exist. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can see, the proposal is to remove the border, which would eliminate the mismatch described by . I have  removed the border from  (sidebar only) and put that into , and temporarily used that sandbox in Carl Linnaeus to show how it would look without the bottom border. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:27, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

text: I have removed the border when type=sidebar/box/infobox, based on this discussion. I also reduced the width slightly, which looks better in my browser and will probably not have any severe negative consequences. Feel free to revert or continue discussing this change. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite the improvement, much less intrusive with this smaller width. Seems like every infobox is under discussion this week. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Two editors appear to be on a crusade to merge all infoboxes into a single infobox to rule them all. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 15 March 2020 

message: Is anyone is opposed to removing this border? See example. I personally find it jarring, especially when it's over infoboxes and gives an overflowing line into the content. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:08, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: When used on an infobox, the parameter  should be used to reduce the width. Please give an example of an article having an infobox where it does overflow. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

text: That line may be of particular importance in mobile view (example). Moreover, I still have not seen the border line "overflowing" anywhere, and I use the largest text size in my browser coupled with a zoom level of 125%. I even tried raising the zoom level to 200% but was unable to make the line overflow anywhere. While I use IE to edit, I also checked your examples in Chrome and still saw no overflow. So I see no good reason to remove the border line. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 21:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I just tested it in preview with your Alex. I example using  both with and without the  parameter, and I was unable to see any overflow of the border line into the content – no overflow anywhere. So please show some examples of this overflow you've seen, and also, which browser version are you seeing this overflow with? P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 21:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Overflowing as in flowing over the template in question, which it does on all infoboxes and especially the thin ones. Not seeing any purpose on mobile. But very well, annoyance with this line may not be as common as I assumed. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:16, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I see what you mean. In your over-the-ibox example the line and looks like the template message itself does appear to conflict a little with lead content. I suppose that's been tolerated in the past because it's only a temporary situation? P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 13:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Still no example page names then. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:08, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There weren't any infoboxes for discussion then. Now however there is Infobox Scientist, so this line is seen on Carl Linnaeus and Albertus Magnus. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:19, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: On those articles, the border is exactly the same width as the box that it is part of, this box being a  having styling that includes the declarations padding: 0 0.2em; color: #000; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA; width: 22em - it's the fact that the infobox is less than (22em + 2 × 0.2em) wide that is causing the apparent "overflow". Unless we can force all infoboxes to be exactly the same width as one another, that mismatch will always exist. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can see, the proposal is to remove the border, which would eliminate the mismatch described by . I have  removed the border from  (sidebar only) and put that into , and temporarily used that sandbox in Carl Linnaeus to show how it would look without the bottom border. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:27, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

text: I have removed the border when type=sidebar/box/infobox, based on this discussion. I also reduced the width slightly, which looks better in my browser and will probably not have any severe negative consequences. Feel free to revert or continue discussing this change. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite the improvement, much less intrusive with this smaller width. Seems like every infobox is under discussion this week. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Two editors appear to be on a crusade to merge all infoboxes into a single infobox to rule them all. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Anyone opposed to removing that overflowing border?

message: The name of the notification template has changed from Template:Tfdnotice to Template:Tfd notice. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected edit request 4 May 2020

message: Please add .mbox-tfd as a class to this template to make it easier to locate this template using code. Aasim 09:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 19 August 2020 

message: I propose changing the bolding on this template so that only the "its entry" is bolded, as that's really the main link people are going to want to use.  talk 01:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but just this one? I often have to read the notice twice to remember where to click to find the discussion, because of "bolding blindness", if that is a thing. It seems like this one should be consistent with , , , etc. Viewed as a system, the naming and formatting of these templates is kind of a mess. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, good point. I'll go ahead and make the change here in the spirit of marginal improvement, but for anyone who wants to take this on as a larger project, standardizing all these notices is a task awaiting.  talk 04:43, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bolding tweak 

message: Please add to /documantation: how to handle with protected templates. -DePiep (talk) 12:10, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, though I do note that you could have done that yourself (the /doc is not protected). Primefac (talk) 13:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: thx. The XfD docs & manuals are complicated, I often miss steps I need. -DePiep (talk) 13:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please document: what with protected templates? 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at WP:VPT § Infobox deletion discussion notice.  Best, user:A smart kittenmeow 10:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[:WP:VPT#Infobox deletion discussion notice|WP:VPT §&nbsp;Infobox deletion discussion notice]]