Talk:Cold War/Archive 3

message: I find it odd that there's absolutely no discussion as to what the CAUSE of the Cold War was. 69.138.24.96 20:32, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What's the cause?!

message: The Cold War featured more then just the Eastern and Western blocs. Arguably the wars between the Arab world and Israel were part of it. Neither Vietnam nor China fit in the Eastern Bloc (usually defined as either Comecon or Warsaw Pact).  Not to mention the US-supported Taliban during the Soviet invasion of Afganistan. The Taliban is not at all ideologically aligned with the USA, certainly not with the Western Bloc, nonethless, were part of the armed camps of the Cold War.
I think the sides of the Cold War shouldn't be a simplistic "east VS west" but rather something like "The enduring struggle remained throughout the Cold War between the United States and its NATO allies VS the Soviet Union and the members of the Warsaw Pact. However, at varying times different states and organisations (usually revolutionary) would join, out of ideology or pragmatism, one side or the other. The more loosely aligned states and organisations were often the direct participants in "hot" conflicts of the Cold War and examples include Communist China, Vietnam, Nasser's Egypt and the Taliban."
--CJWilly 21:50, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cold War featured more then just the Eastern and Western blocs. The last two articles in the series probably do more than enough to make abundantly clear the roles of the emerging nations in the Cold War. (In some places North/South tensions even get more attention than East/West tensions... At any rate, the function of the main article is only to introduce the subject in the broadest terms, so starting off with a discussion of the East/West conflict is fine. 172 22:02, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I second thought, I saw the need to add a note on how the Cold War eventually gave way to a more complicated pattern of international relations in which the world was no longer clearly split into two clearly opposed blocs in this article. I added a new paragraph in the "characteristics" section. 172 22:15, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: BTW - the US never supported the Taliban, they did not exist during that time in history. We did support mujahideen (spelling?) fighters who were fighting against the Soviets, some of which later became the Taliban. Get your facts straight. --66.82.9.61 00:58, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sides of the Cold War

message: Historians have given many interpretations to the cause of the Cold War. Most center upon the faults and crimes of the Soviet Union and its socialist ideology. There is no doubt that these played a large and crucial part in the Cold War. However, the faults of the United States are often overlooked. Many, if not all, of these faults can be attributed to American Exceptionalism throughout the Cold War.
:Many, if not all, of these faults can be attributed to American Exceptionalism throughout the Cold War.
:What we have here is inherently a personal essay and original research, arguing the thesis above, and certainly one that many users will dispute. We already touch upon what is argued in this essay in the historiography section, but in a more nuanced and balanced way. 172 07:13, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. However, the section on "American exceptionalism" is not an established part of the article. It is just a section that has been added by a newbie/anon over the past couple of days that I keep removing... Don't worry. I will keep removing it. 172 23:29, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Role of American Exceptionalism in the Cold War

message: I deleted the following because there was no supporting evidence.  Could somebody verify it and put it back if they can prove it?  The term Cold War has origins in Spain in the 1490s, when the word was coined by a Spanish monk to describe the state of affairs between the recently defeated Moors and (Christian) Spanish populations..  RickK 21:01, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be confusion over when the term was first used. In the beginning section of the article, it says it was first used in 1947. At the bottom, it says Orwell coined it in '45. And above is talk of it all the way back in the 15th century.  Trull
: In fact it seems that the term has first been invented by Orwell in 1945 and then popularized by Bernard Baruch and Walter Lippmann in 1947, as this site state. Nova77 12:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Orwell only got major recognition for that until well after he became much better known than he was in 1945. He just happened to use the term first. Even so, I'm not interested in a fight and I'll modify my additions accordingly. NEW WORLD ORDER 13:34, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Spain

message: Why does this article have no pictures? I know there was minimal fighting, but I would still like to see some pictures of the times, the people, etc. --Zeerus 19:46, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
Why is a picture featured twice? And why with the text 'all its glory'?
--CJWilly 12:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: I added an entry. Doesnt go with the report, then again two cases are closely related. --Cool Cat My Talk 13:54, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  seventeen nuclear crisis 

message: "It should be noted that some historians place the beginning of the Cold War as far back as 1937, when Joseph Stalin attempted to gain control of Spain"
Sounds really bizarre. First, the Spanish Civil War started in 1936; secondly, Stalin measured his support to the loyalist Republicans, since he did not want to upset his relations with Germany and Italy in the context of the non-agression pact. Stating, as a fact, that "Joseph Stalin attempted to gain control of Spain", is really bold. Rama 09:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish Civil War 

message: What the heck is this?
:And what are you trying to refer to? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 17:22, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Actual Site 

message: This section is still quite paltry. The following are essential surveys for any brief reference entry on the Cold War:
*Walter LaFeber, America. Russia, and the Cold War. 1945-2002 
*John Lewis Gaddis, We Now Know: Rethinking Cold War History 
*John Lewis Gaddis, Strategies of Containment
*John Lewis Gaddis, Russia, The Soviet Union and the United States: An Interpretative History
*George Herring, America's Longest War: The United States and Vietnam, 1950-1975.
*George Kennan, Russia and the West under Lenin and Stalin.
*William Appleman Williams, The Tragedy of American Diplomacy. (1972 ed.)
172 17:29, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: References