Talk:Washington–Baltimore combined statistical area

message: This article is missing one very important figure... The population! newkai 10:40, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: Should Southern Pennsylvania be added to the region? There are subvisions/developments going up in Adams County, York County, and Franklin County that are being billed as bedroom communities for Washington and/or Baltimore. Carter 12:23, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Southern Pennsylvania?

message: There seems to be some a contridiction of the status of King George County. The King George County page indicates that King George County is NOT a part of the Washington-Baltimore Metropolitan Area. Yet, according to the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area page, it is.
This also brings to light a local controversey regarding King George County and whether or not it is part of the Northern Neck of Virginia. Historically, King George County has been included as part of the Northern Neck. The Northern Neck Tourism Council website lists locations in King George County amongst its historical sites and museums, and the King George County Homepage labels the county as the "Gateway to the Historic Northern Neck". I was educated in Northumberland County, Virginia, and this is what we were taught during our segment on local history for 11th grade US History, that there are FIVE counties in the Northern Neck, including King George County.
However, until 11th grade, I had always grown up under the assumption that the Northern Neck consisted of only four counties: Northumberland, Lancaster, Westmoreland, and Richmond counties. Locals think of the Northern Neck more as a community with similar  values and interests, rather than a geographical area. King George county is considered to be "suburban", part of the Washington DC urban sprawl and therefore doesn't share the same community interests as the rest of the Northern Neck.
This article from the Fredericksburg Free-Lance Star highlights both sides of the King George debate.
The inclusion of King George County as part of the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area stems from three facts: King George's proximity to Fredericksburg, its inclusion in the Washington DC media market, and the presence of the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Dahlgren. However, the historical connections between King George County and the Northern Neck shouldn't be dismissed. It wouldn't be inappropriate to consider King George County as part of both, as Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area seems to be a statistical category, while the Northern Neck is a historical/geographical region.
I have also added this discussion to the pages on both King George County and the Northern Neck. --Goosedoggy 23:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Status of King George County, VA

message: So, uh, why was this moved back? There is no specific, defined area called the "Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area," therefore it should not be capitalized, because it's not a proper noun - it's a general concept. If we're going to capitalize the specific name of the Census area, we're going to have to spell the whole thing out. See New York metropolitan area. FCYTravis 00:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And here is a link to the definition of proper noun noun#Proper nouns and common nouns.-Jeff (talk) 14:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: As a side note, tendency to over-capitalize can be seen in many official / bureaucratic documents and publications (OMB included), but is being used by their authors for convenience of setting out the terms in the text, rather than for demonstrating exemplary use of the proper grammar... Bottom line, there's no need to over-capitalize on Wikipedia – and indeed, it is being discouraged. cherkash (talk) 18:39, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Page name

message: Why do the two maps on the page include different counties in the metro area? I.e. Washington Couty, MD is included in the second map but not in the first? What definition are we using and shouldn't the maps reflect this?  --דוד ♣ D Monack 01:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Differing maps

message: The page United States metropolitan area ranks the 25 largest in America. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria is seventh, and Baltimore-Towson is twentieth. It lists Washington as part of the "Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area (now defunct)." If it's true that Washington and Baltimore are no longer considered to form one metropolitan area, maybe that should be addressed on this page. Just letting you guys know.–Clpalmore
*This has been discussed already, the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area is still the name of a multistate region, it's just not a single metropolitan area as defined by the census anymore.-Jeff 03:27, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Metropolitan area now defunct?

message: Today (Jan. 17 07) I created the Baltimore Metropolitan Area page. I also re-linked the MSA-rank list. I'm sure there are numerous articles that mention the Baltimore area that should be linked to this new (and certainly unfinished) page.Thomasmallen 15:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Baltimore Metropolitan Area Article

message: Can has square miles, plzkthx? 65.111.84.210 (talk) 00:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion request

message: The lists given in this topic are not selected according to a well-defined rule: not all are Cities, several are unincorporated, and the inclusion on the list does not reflect their population. Tedickey (talk) 13:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to include only principal cities, i.e. very large cities (>250,000 population) or cities where there are more jobs than employed residents. There is a link to a full list anyway so this way there is a well-defined inclusion basis. --Polaron | Talk 15:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an improvement - though Reston, VA doesn't seem to fit in the latter category (unlike comparably-sized Frederick, MD it is not incorporated, and it seems that more residents commute to McLean, VA than work within Reston). Tedickey (talk) 15:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Office of Management and Budget, which defines these "principal cities", apparently includes census-designated places. I don't remember the full details of how one becomes classified as a principal city but I'll try and look it up sometime today. In any case, the current listing is a reflection of the cited source with no additions or exclusions. --Polaron | Talk 16:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of cities

message: Hi. I think there needs to be a clarification in the article title. At current, there are two different ideas that are being expressed in this article. One concept is a bureaucratic designation by the Office of Management and Budget regarding the Combined Statistical Area known as "Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia". The other concept is the natural-language, colloquial meaning of the "Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area".
My main issue is that the Baltimore-Washington (Metropolitan) Area, as the term is used in everyday language, refers to the area Maryland between DC and Baltimore and not to this megapolitan CSA designated by the OMB. It is for this reason that the OMB titled the statistical area "Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia" just so it would not be confused with the colloquial meaning of the term "Baltimore-Washington Area".
The main problem with calling this article "Baltimore-Washington Area" is that the cities and counties of Northern Virginia and the northern counties outside Baltimore are almost never included within the natural-language meaning of the term. In fact, a search of those counties and "Baltimore Washington" turned up almost no results that weren't from web pages that had simply copied this article, or in reference to BWI Airport.
I would like suggestions as to how to appropriately title the article. Most other CSAs have been titled as the "Greater (Insert Main City Here) Area". We obviously have a problem in that there is no single main city and that the suburban counties are in fact much larger than either DC or Baltimore. I do believe that "Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV Combined Statistical Area" is a bit long, but perhaps abbreviating the title would be acceptable as in "Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia CSA". Thoughts? Best, epicAdam(talk) 19:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So far as I can find any information in this article, it describes a CSA and not an MSA, which means it is somewhat mistitled.  Over at Greater Boston, they found a way to deal with the whole duality of the issue.--Louiedog (talk) 20:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title change and clarification

message: This article is now categorized as mid importance within WikiProject United States. Some of the constituent cities are important, but knowing all the highways through Baltimore is not crucial to understanding the United States. Lagrange613 (talk) 16:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mid importance

message: Is there any intent to add a Demographics section to the article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.251.74 (talk) 13:30, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

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message: As of September 4, 2018, the definition for the CSA has changed a bit.
— The Baltimore-Washington CSA is now called the Washington-Baltimore CSA.
— Madison County VA has been added to the DC MSA, which means it is now a part of Northern Virginia.
— Morgan County WV has been reinstated into the Hagerstown-Martinsburg MSA.
— The Cambridge μSA left the Washington-Baltimore CSA.
— The DC MSA no longer borders the Richmond MSA via Caroline County; that county has been removed from the Richmond MSA and is no longer part of any Metropolitan or Micropolitan area.
Information in a lot of articles will have to be updated, making these changes a big project.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Bulletin-18-04.pdf
…here's a map if you need to visualize it. https://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/metroarea/us_wall/Sep2018/CSA_WallMap_Sep2018.pdf?#  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14A:4600:FDA:59BA:A0C7:3F99:AAFF (talk) 04:24, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Needs To Be Updated 

message: The section on principal cities (which has a specific meaning) has grown into a list of every minor town and CDP which some editors feel ought to be more prominent than OMB documents.  Starting by repairing the link-rot and pruning the list to what's actually in the WP:RS seems reasonable. TEDickey (talk) 19:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Principal cities