Talk:Yedioth Ahronoth

message: Please see Wikipedia:Notice board for Israel-related topics#Yedioth Ahronoth a reliable source for BLPs?. -- Jeandré, 2008-01-05t16:19z
::Yediot is the most important, most established newspaper in Israel, by miles. It has 10% penetration of the entire Israeli population on a daily basis, compared to 0.3% for the NYT in the USA. There is no translation to explain the prominence of this paper in the Israeli news and political scene. The only comparison might be the BBC in the UK. Almost all major Israeli journalists have worked for the paper, it carries daily columns from major establishment figures in Israel. The Israeli government has a contract with them to print death notices and tenders and so on, not a week goes by without a Yediot story setting the new agenda in Israel, sometimes it seems like all the news stories on TV are sourced in Yediot.The Google news archive gives 25,000 results for "Yediot" almost all of them discussing the Israeli paper of record or its daily stories. As if to make this point the major Israeli story of the past few days is the interview that Yediot did with one George W. Bush, which became a news story around the world, (NYT article on the Yediot interview), and that is only picking yesterday.  The importance of this paper eclipses that of any other in Israel or the Jewish World i general, I simply cannot see how this could not pass RS. If Yediot is not a reliable source, there are no Jewish/Israeli reliable sources. Lobojo (talk) 17:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though this discussion continued elsewhere, I think that there should be a mention here that it is hard to deny the impact and pervasiveness that Yediot has in Israel (being associated with Channel 2 as well as ynet, the most popular news website), but frankly, this does not automatically make it a reliable source. It's importance in the Jewish world is negligible and there is frequent criticism of it pushing a pro-secular, almost anti-religious/Jewish platform too. Reliable source, I suppose technically, many people rely on it for their news, but many also read it for the colourful pictures, provocative stories, and 'lite' reading allowing the editors to feed their version of the news to the public. --Shuki (talk) 22:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: being pro secular doesn't make it less reliable.and as Israeli newspaper it s more important if people in Israel read it than in the Jewish world.Oren.tal (talk) 07:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yediot is not less reliable because it is pro-secular. The reference to the Jewish world was by Lobojo. --Shuki 
(talk) 17:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: shuki Yedioth Ahronoth  is consider reliable y the global media.87.69.77.82 (talk) 03:39, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: A reliable source for BLPs?

message: Since this is English wikipedia I have put the link English version of Ynet.Ynetnews is integral part of Ynet and it is in fact as the same article but in English.Oren.tal (talk) 00:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not matter what language the WP is, the corresponding site of the article is the co.il URL not the poor secondary English translation site. --Shuki (talk) 07:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it is NOT the corresponding site of the article.The article is about Yediot and NOT Ynet.Ynet is semi independent.but in any case Ynetnews is not less corresponding site of the article.I am sorry but ynetnws is the English version of Ynet.Since this is English wikipedia it will only make sense that we will put both of them.If you are insist then we can have both of them.But it doesn't make sense that inj the English wikipedia we wont give the English website.Oren.tal (talk) 16:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ynet

message: User:Shuki is trying to insert the claim that "in the 2009 Israeli elections, the newspaper supported Kadima leader Tzipi Livni."
This may be true, but requires a better proof than an article where this is mentioned in passing and where the sentence supporting it starts with "Observers speculated". This is not an appropriate source for such a claim. First, the claim should be clarified, were the editorials and opinion pages in her support or did this support appear in the news pages. For the former you should bring either explicit endorsement in the editorial of the paper or list the permanent op ed writers who supported Kadima. For the latter you need evaluations by media critics. Mashkin (talk) 15:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Inappropriate source for claim

message: ... is being had here.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion of whether YA is a reliable source

message: Right at the beginning of the article it claims that "Yedioth Ahronoth has been the largest newspaper in Israel by sales and circulation." I'm not disputing the truth of this statement (I wouldn't know enough to say) but I found the sources to be particularly bad. 
The first source for this is from 2006 and is probably no longer accurate since its "main competitor" according to this same article, Israel Hayom, did not even exist in 2006. The second source is a tertiary source that doesn't provide any hard evidence and contradicts itself when talking about Yedioth Ahronoth, claiming that it has the highest circulation but displaying a table that says otherwise. The sources provided by this page are an article on a government website written in 1998 (same issue as the BBC source from 2006) and the Wikipedia article on Israeli newspapers. 
Even if this Wikipedia article backed up the claims (which it doesn't seem to), it feels a little too close to circular referencing for my liking. While the Wikipedia article does seem to be where the previously mentioned table comes from, the actual source for that is a trashy looking website written in Hebrew (https://b.walla.co.il/item/2982163). It's possible that this website backs up all the previous claims, but its never directly translated or summarized anywhere else in this chain of sources so I don't see why the article of Yedioth Ahronoth doesn't just cite that. Even then, newspaper circulation in a nation the size of Israel isn't exactly niche information and if the claim is true there should be a more credible, and ideally English language, source out there. The third and final source is a dead link. On the Israel Hayom Wikipedia article it claims it is the most read, which isn't necessarily contradictory but does make an accurate source for the circulation of Yedioth Ahronoth seem more necessary, howvever the only source lsited for this is a newspaper article that does say it but provides no source or evidence for the claim.
The "circulation" section of the same article also contradicts it in some ways but does support it in others, however the sources for this section are themselves nearly ten years old.
I'll acknowledge that it does say "has been," so this could just mean that it was at one point the most circulated (and thus making the dated sources relevant), but it reads as if it has and continues to be. Another possibility is that there is a separation between free newspapers and paid newspapers for this data. If either of these are the case the existing sources are still low quality and the sentence could also be reworded so as to be more precise.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madskin (talk • contribs) 19:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad Sources for the Claim About Circulation 

message: The history section describes it as an evening newspaper. On the right are the official publication permits granted by the Mandatory government in 1939 and 1940. Note that they say "to publish three times a day ... a newspaper in the Hebrew and English languages". A permit for something doesn't prove that it was done, however there is more evidence. The 1940 front page shown in this article says  (evening edition) in the header, whereas the 1939 front page shown here says  (lunch edition) in the header. So it does seem that it was not only an evening newspaper. Then there is the question of "Hebrew and English": what English? Did it have an English section or an English version?  Is this related to the name "Palestine Express" in the 1940 permit, which is not a translation of the Hebrew name? Zerotalk 04:13, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probable missing history 

message: Why is the "a" before the "r" elided in transliteration?
That is, why not "Aharonoth"?
It is a חטף פתח, not a שוא נח, after all.
Toddcs (talk) 01:20, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The connected English site ynetnews.com prefers Ahronoth by a very large margin. Zerotalk 02:52, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahronoth 

message: In this article, I see "Hayom" in 4 places and "HaYoM" in only 2. 
Moreover, the "Y" in the name of the article on Israel Hayom is NOT capitalized. I am therefore changing said capital "Y" to "y". If you object, could you please initiate a name change discussion in the article on Israel Hayom? 
I do not know Hebrew. I only think the spelling in English should be consistent ;-)
Thanks for your work on this article. It's a big help to ignoramuses like me ;-) 
DavidMCEddy (talk) 08:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Israel HaYom'' or ''Israel Hayom'' (capitalize "Y")?