Talk:World of Warcraft/Archive 5

message: In the PVP ranking systems I added
" The problem with this new honor system, however, was that players who had previously taken months to reach the High Warlord or Grand Marshal honor rank (the highest honor ranking for each faction) felt betrayed by Blizzard. In the old honor systems it would take an excess of 3 months of hard gaming (putting in several hours of pvp every day) to reach the High Warlord or Grand Marshal honor rank. By achieving this rank players had access to some of the greatest weapons and armor in the game. When Blizzard released this new patch it allowed players to purchase all the High Warlord or Grand Marshal gear that they would need after only two weeks of hard gaming and honor collecting. Due to this change any player that had once taken months to reach their factions highest pvp ranking felt that all their time had been wasted, as now anyone could use the weapons they had access to for a significantly shorter period of gaming."
The only problem I see with this is where i state "The problem with this new honor system, however, was". I was informed that it seemed rather unecyclopediaish and my edits were removed, but that if i felt the person was wrong i should start a discussion on this page. I think that this paragraph is important to the article because it shows the new honor system from the perspective of hardcore gamers instead of the perspective of a newbie gamer, while still saying it as unbiasdly as possible. What do you guys think? Should I put that edit into the page or not (after making a couple minor changes to remove all the bias i can).
::The problem with that information is it's not a neutral, declarative statement.  Instead, it states an opinion.  If this opinion is widely-held, then it can be made encyclopedic if it is written in a neutral voice (instead of "The problem with this new honor system...," it should be something like "Many players did not receive the new changes to the honor system positively") and an external reference is cited. Luis1972 01:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  you should say that we need the rank advancemant back, but without the rewards or UBER great rewards —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.250.25.24 (talk) 20:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No we shouldn't. Offering opinions about what changes would make a game better is about as far as you can get from what an encyclopedia article should do. --Stormie 22:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree. Luis1972 (Talk • My Contribs) 23:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honor system 

message: "In August of that year, the government of the People's Republic of China decided to enforce control over how many hours the country's 20 million gamers can play."
How can there be 20 million people gaming in China when there's only 8 million gamers in the world?
:Because the 20 million remark is false. That 20 million gamers, not 20 million WoW gamers. Babrook| 11:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Current version reads, "In August of that year, the government of the People's Republic of China proposed new rules to curb what they perceived to be social and financial costs brought on by the popularity of games such as World of Warcraft. The measure would enforce a time limit on China's estimated total of 20 million gamers." Luis1972 15:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 20 million

message: I wanted to add that when a publisher knowingly uses both spellings or alters logos it does give others the rights to also alter the spellings or logos of their products.  Since Blizzard is no longer consistent with its nomenclature, we should also use the case senstive word 'Warcraft' for simplicity also.Imlookingnow 08:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The World of Warcraft vs. The World of WarCraft

message: World of War craft is a time consuming and a pricy game. Considering that the people have the audacity to charge a monthly fee ,isn't it enough that you bought the game,? It is also time consuming it takes forever just to get to a level 40 to a level 41 ,but I guess you guys like that sort of a challenge. Still though Why the fee? What could the people possibly have to do in order to have to charge a monthly fee there is no reason for it. This is anothe example of a power bigger than everyone else trying to squeeze the money out of all of us people. In conclusion the fact of the time consuming leveling up set up is just not for me ,but I don't think I know anyone who woulden't mind not having to pay a fee just to play a game that you have alredy purchesed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tyler hobbs on February 6, 2007 at 23:32. It has been reformatted by Slavlin for readability and signature
1) not the place to discuss this
2) the fee is used for the continued maintainance of the game
3) PLEASE format what you have to say correctly, it's very rude to butt up on somebody elses comment 24.205.34.217 03:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pricing comments

message: I didn't think this was totally relevent, but had considered putting it in under the Critism section, as a lot of EU players are a little miffed about it. Thoughts? 
It's at wow-europe.com>General News
go to the News Archive...
		
	
European Collector’s Edition Netherwhelp Pet
	12/01/2007
We have discovered an unforeseen production issue that will require a few extra steps for European World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade Collector’s Edition owners to access their exclusive Netherwhelp in-game pet. We will update the website with further details on this issue as soon as possible.
In the meantime, we ask that you retain your proof of purchase and the complete contents of your Collector’s Edition box set, including the content description sheet, after making your purchase.
This issue concerns only the in-game activation of the Netherwhelp pet. All the physical contents of your Collector’s Edition are of the quality we strive for in Blizzard special editions, and the ability to upgrade your World of Warcraft account to play The Burning Crusade from 00:01, January 16 is unaffected in any way.
Please do not contact our billing support team as they do not have any details on this issue, and the extra calls would adversely affect their service to players. More details will come on the website before the launch of The Burning Crusade.
We sincerely appreciate the continued support from the European community, and apologise for the delay in activation of this feature. 
Miles 2397 03:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like this is a fairly minor, technical problem that probably doesn't belong in this article.  While it may miff some customers who have to keep their proof of purchase, it has very little to do with the game as a whole and almost certainly has no lasting or notable effect on how it works or the game's popularity.  I'd suggest sticking to broader, general information about the game and leave details about minor technical bugs to fan sites and the official game site. Dugwiki 17:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: EU Collector's Edition Netherwhelp Pet

message: I've made a few little tweaks that I thought were needed, and I'll be checking some details too.
As there is nothing mentioned about how the pricing works in the UK, where you can buy a trial version, AND you can buy the full retail with a Full CD KEY, and with a Limited time card with a limited CD KEY in it, which you hand to a freind with the disks, they install the game and use the trial CD key and they get a short time trial, then have to buy a retail copy. I'm going to find out pricing and update it later if thats ok?
Miles 2397 17:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Put a few bits in

message: Other then the fact that it is a Fantasy MMO, the MMO in the American Dad episode had no resemblance to WoW, just MMOs in general, and should be taken off the Popular Culture list.--Babrook 15:01, 03 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The list item about American Dad has since be deleted. --Htmlism 02:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WoW in American Dad

message: Would like to add this: WoW Grinding Guide - Most comprehensive WoW Grinding Guide.
: I would not recommend adding this site, for two reasons. One, it being the most comprehensive or superlative of anything is subjective. Two, it looks like the site is out to make money, and it has obnocious ads on it. But it's great of you to ask first. On the aside, you should sign your additions.--Htmlism 15:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WoW Grinding Guide

message: I have proposed the deletion of Warbiking. The term was used to describe one gamer's experience that was posted on Digg. It is not a commonly carried out activity amongst gamers. If any of you guys here like to comment/intervene please post on Warbiking talk page. --Voidvector 00:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have merged and redirected Warbiking into Wardriving. --Stormie 04:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warbiking 

message: Maybe WoW should be added to the Virtual_reality category, for it has become both a technical and sociological phenomenon.
You should put Fan Site program links that u can see on official websites. (unsigned)
For the category you are suggesting, the WOW article is in it... kind of. World of Warcraft is in the category World of Warcraft < Massively multiplayer online role-playing games < Massively multiplayer online games < Virtual reality communities < Virtual reality
Also, please sign your comments by typing ~~~~. Greeves 23:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category

message: I deleted the last paragraph that dealt with reactions. It felt a little to flamey and it was too specific anyway. No one besides WoW players cares that a scepter was held for random or that servers experienced things differently through the grind. If anything, mention that in the WoWWiki. --Htmlism 15:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahn'Qiraj 

message: The addition of the cancelled linux games category is being removed for two reasons. 1. the category is pretty shallow. Minus WoW, there's only two other articles. 2. There needs to be a citation. --Htmlism 17:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancelled Linux Game 

message: I'd like to propose we add a paragraph, perhaps in the Criticisms section, concerning the Warden program.  Numerous articles, websites, and blogs make the comparisons between it and spyware, and since World of Warcraft is the first massively popular MMORPG (as far as I know) that utilizes such a feature, in my opinion at least a small blurb should be added.
170.98.106.254 22:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is currently already an as yet unreferenced article about The Warden (software).  Therefore at most I'd say add a sentence or bullet under See Also that includes a link to that Wiki article.  Note that the article about The Warden isn't yet referenced, though, so it will require citation and/or clean-up. Dugwiki 22:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added various citations to the Warden article, but as it was my first serious attempt at editing, I don't know if it'll make it past quality control... 170.98.106.254 01:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Warden 

message: ====Un-Completed====
*There are multiple  tags still existent in the article.  These must be replaced with sources before the GA can pass.
**We are down to 5 tags. Greeves (talk • contribs)  01:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Progress

message: *There are multiple  tags still existent in the article.  These must be replaced with sources before the GA can pass.
**We are down to 5 tags. Greeves (talk • contribs)  01:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Un-Completed

message: *In the lead, the statement "the game is widely regarded as a success" needs a citation such as MetaCritic, Gamerankings, showing that a majority of critics gave the game positive reviews or something similar.
**Dugwiki has changed around the wording there and I cited reviews from G4 and Gamespot. Greeves (talk • contribs)  01:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Completed

message: It would be interesting to see something technical about the server.  I have heard that Oracle database system is used, but I don't know anything about what system software the game servers run.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.91.209 (talk • contribs) 15:38, 20 December 2006
:This information is not easy to come by. I believe the Oracle information taken Blizzard's hiring notices. If you can come up with anything else, feel free to post it. You can probably portscan them to figure out what firewall they use. --Voidvector 07:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be interesting to know what operating system(s) they are running. DonPMitchell 19:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Server Architecture 

message: Reverted page, due to vandalism. May require block on editing for the time being.
-TOMNORTHWALES —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.133.123.114 (talk) 15:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Someone added a sentence in the introduction indicating that WoW has "won numerous awards".  This made me realize that the article currently has no section to list such awards.  Seems to me it might be a good idea to create a section at the end of the article to bullet list any notable awards or recognitions that WoW has earned, such as "Game of the Year" recognitions, trade show awards, and so on.  Such sections are pretty common in biographies and other articles about works.  Dugwiki 18:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards and Recognitions section?