Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chinese surnames

message: ===inclusion of Korean and Vietnamese surnames?===
Since some articles are already covering Korean and Vietnamese surnames that are using the same characters, I think the scope of this WikiProject can be expanded a little bit to include Korean and Vietnamese surnames. — Instantnood 11:56, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would even suggest that articles on the same Chinese character surname, if they share a common origin, be limited to a single article. It only makes sense to be less redundant. The only problem will be over the romanization: are we to use the common Chinese romanization e.g. Li (surname) or the common Korean romanization e.g. Lee (Korean name) when they are both common surnames in their respective cultures?--Jiang 12:23, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm not opposed to renaming, but WikiProject East Asian surnames could also be a parent wikiproject.Jiang 13:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Agree. Wikipedia covers ancient people. What is (un)common today may not be (un)common in the past. — Instantnood 14:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there should be any limit on what surnames can be covered. As long as meaningful material can be found, even obscure surnames deserve articles. Yeu Ninje 20:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I think the Surnames of Hundred Families (《百家姓》) also deserve an article...--Skyfiler 00:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scope

message: Since some articles are already covering Korean and Vietnamese surnames that are using the same characters, I think the scope of this WikiProject can be expanded a little bit to include Korean and Vietnamese surnames. — Instantnood 11:56, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would even suggest that articles on the same Chinese character surname, if they share a common origin, be limited to a single article. It only makes sense to be less redundant. The only problem will be over the romanization: are we to use the common Chinese romanization e.g. Li (surname) or the common Korean romanization e.g. Lee (Korean name) when they are both common surnames in their respective cultures?--Jiang 12:23, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm not opposed to renaming, but WikiProject East Asian surnames could also be a parent wikiproject.Jiang 13:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: inclusion of Korean and Vietnamese surnames?

message: Are we to include the top 100? top 200? as measured where: in mainland China? overall? any major locality (HK, Singapore, overseas, etc.)? What sources are there to draw on?
*New History of Tang by Ouyang Xiu
*Language Publication Society survey (Beijing, 1990)
*The Hundred Families' Surnames《百家姓》
*what else?  
I also think some of the less common, but nevertheless famous or historical, surnames should deserve decent articles (e.g. Ouyang, Sima, Zhuge).--Jiang 13:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Wikipedia covers ancient people. What is (un)common today may not be (un)common in the past. — Instantnood 14:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there should be any limit on what surnames can be covered. As long as meaningful material can be found, even obscure surnames deserve articles. Yeu Ninje 20:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I think the Surnames of Hundred Families (《百家姓》) also deserve an article...--Skyfiler 00:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: which surnames deserve articles?

message: Instantnood mentioned "including both Han and other sinicised ethnic groups" earlier. A good example of this, I suppose, would be "Aisin Goro". A surname like that can be classified as Chinese in the sense that it originates from what is now China. I have some problems with this, however. Chinese surnames come from quite a rigid and exclusive tradition. Most are descended from the earliest semi-mythical emperors. That's why we call ourselves 炎黄子孙, I suppose. Although a few surnames of non-Han origin have entered the list, most have been sinified or otherwise non-Han groups have taken Han surnames. This phenomenon is well documented for the medieval period. The imperial family of Tang, for example, were at least partially of Turkic origin. So the list of Han surnames, subject to surname extinction and surname simpification, has remained largely unchanged for the past two millenia. A surname like Aisin Goro doesn't share this classical tradition. It would not be appropriate to transliterate it in pinyin, and better to classify it as a Manchu surname rather than a Chinese one. "Chinese surnames", in this sense, could refer to "ethnic Chinese surnames" or "Han Chinese surnames". I suggest, however, that it actually refers to "surnames of Chinese origin". We should stick with "Chinese surnames" or possibly make it a bit less ambiguous (e.g. "surnames of Chinese origin"). That would be an appropriate test for the inclusion of surnames outside China (like the Korean Kim). Korean and Vietnamese, or even some Japanese surnames, can be incorporated if they have Chinese origins. Yeu Ninje 20:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's actually why I said "sinicised". Aisin Gioro is purely Manchu, but then some of the members of the Aisin Gioro clan have sinicised their name as 金, a literal translation of Aisin, and therefore 金 in this case is also a non-Han surname of sinicised non-Han people. Same for the royal family of Northern Wei.. we can cover 元, but perhaps not Tuoba/T'o-pa. — Instantnood 17:33, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-Han surnames 

message: :Category:Wikipedians by surname
Thoughts? (Either by Chinese surname or just surname.)
:-- Миборовский U|T|C|E 07:08, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Support: Good Idea. - Yaohua2000 12:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This gave me an idea... 

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message: One convention used across the surname articles is to include a list of individuals with that surname.  As policy, I believe this needs to be clarified and enforced:
Requirements:
# It must be an interwiki link to an article which satisfies WP:NOT.  No redlinks.
# Individual must have that surname.  (Not as a given name.)
# The individual's article must show the full Chinese name to support inclusion in the list.
In addition, A-yao proposes that the Chinese name follow the English name, e.g.,
* Ang Lee (李安), acclaimed Academy Awards winning film director
-- Robocoder (t|c) 19:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Prominent people with the surname

message: I've created this article in order to remove irrelevant content that had been added to the article on the figure of speech (Pun).  I have no idea whether the material is even true, or whether "Pun" is the correct pinyin spelling.  It would be great if knowledgeable editors could check out Pun (surname), vet it, move it  if needed (to Pan (surname), with a change to Pun (disambiguation) and Poon), and wikify it.  Wareh 15:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I got no response here, I created a redirect at Pan (surname).  Please make any changes as needed; I have zero expertise and was simply dealing with a problem at the utterly unrelated article pun.  Wareh 21:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pun (surname)]] 

message: Hi guys,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/liquidghoul/657536306/sizes/l/
I have been told that the character on the photo above is the surname Qian from the ancient alphabet. I was wondering if anyone could confirm this, and where I would be able to find more information on this character. Thanks. --liquidGhoul (talk) 23:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Qian?

message: I found this site that has the exact same text as the first 2 sections of this article. This might need some attention. Leujohn (talk) 03:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Liang (surname)]] Copyvio 

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message: Hi, Would it be possible if it were made clear on this page or as a template to be put on Chinese surname pages about how surnames should be organised? It's a bit confusing - The surnames "Xu" are listed on various pages, while Li and Lu are set out as Li (surname 黎). Opacitatic (talk) 03:19, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organisation 

message: Zhang (surname) contains two links to the DAB page Cheong. Can any expert help in solving this puzzle? Thanks in advance, Narky Blert (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to a DAB page

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