Talk:BattleTech/Archive 1

message: since the "classic" plot seems to have been completed, how abourt a complete storyline-overview? --84.129.20.23 18:20, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't BattleTech also a set of game centers (in California, at least) with "pods" that you could sit in while controlling BattleMechs and shooting one another and whatnot? I remember these from when I was 12 or so, I think, it sounds like the same "universe." There was one in Walnut Creek, California and another in Sacramento, California, at least, I think? --Fastfission 07:22, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I know, there was orginally one place in Chicago with the 'pods'.  Then a company in Japan built a few places over there (memories of a Beyond2000 episode in the early '90s).  Then Virtual World started a chain that definately included the Walnut Creek location and one in San Diego, California.  They were trying to make a kind of video game social club, and also had a racing game set on Mars that used the same equipment. Rindis 23:53, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text:  Yes, these pods were leased to dave and busters by Virtual World Entertainment, www.virtualworld.com. The lease recently expired, and VWE sold them to private owners. A few examples are www.mechcorps.com (houston, tx) and www.mechjock.com (Kalmizoo, MI). The pods are now all privately owned and operated. Some in people's basements, some still in publicly playable locations. If you want more information, let me know. I Think that the pods should definately be mentioned in the article, as they have been around more then 10 years (they were first released in 1993ish).70.244.36.79 13:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

text:  There was a Virtual World at Triangle Square in Orange County and it claimed to be the second location outside of Chicago.  It enjoyed moderate success, but was in a bad location and suffered for it until the mall evicted them.  Later two Dave & Busters picked up Battlepods and went on to sell them.
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According to a few of the authors (you can find quotes at www.classicbattletech.com), the classic era isn't definitely over.
Yes, I've heard about the pods in Chicago. We should probably say a little something about them at least, but I'm still pretty sure the books were first.
Also, why isn't there an "outside links?" section? We should definitely have a link here: http://www.classicbattletech.com/PDF/CompleteBattleTechNovel%20List.pdf. It'd be even better if we all got together and updated that list, but still, it is pretty accuracte and it does go to 2002, so it's something to work off at least. It's only classic battletech though, methinks. 
Finally, it's nice to finally have a decent entry on battletech all in once place. Good job, everybody! Double kudos to whoever detailed each clan specifically.
--James 10:39, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
I'm creating a page on the BattleTech and MechWarrior: Dark Age novels so we can keep an up-to-date list going.
--Patrick T. Wynne 19:48, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old talk 

message: Since there are several subarticles, I think a :Category:BattleTech should be created. Update: I am going to create this category as a subcategory of :Category:Fictional universes, as the Battletech article(s) are already listed in game type categories.  --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:30, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category? 

message: Why no mention of Battlecorps.com? At the moment it's a subscription site for new BattleTech fiction, most of it online novellas and the like. As far as I know it's pretty much the only source for 'new' stuff relating to classic battletech.
:"No mention" because nobody had included it yet. Fixed now. ;) —ATimson 06:04, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  BattleCorps? 

message: According to the FedCom Civil War sourcebook, the Federated Commonwealth was not officially reverted back to Federated Suns until after the war; doing so was one of the first acts of Yvonne Steiner-Davion when she re-assumed the regency. I changed the relevant text back to reflect this. --Patrick T. Wynne 18:49, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Entities 

message: Shouldn't the first line read a little differently? Battletech is not a board game - it was....2o years ago. NOW, it is this scifi universe, with computer games, board games, novels, etc. Yes, keep all the info listed including that it started with a board game, but what it IS, is a scifi universe, just like how you would not exatcly call Star Trek "a TV show," or Star Wars as "scifi movies." It's just not entirely correct, and for any skimmers/browsers who may only read the first lines of wikipedia entries - however they may do it (ie, popups entries in Trillian IM program) - the beginning should be clearly and say that battletech is a scifi universe.
:That sounds reasonable. So follow the Wikipedia motto of "be bold!" about editing and edit the post. If someone doesn't like what you say or has a better idea, they'll change it.
I made an attempt at redefineing Battle tech. AidanPryde 17:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats a great idea. Personaly, I don't know a whole about the boardgame and it'd be great to have an article on that and the sourcebooks. Go for it! I'll help where I can.   AidanPryde 14:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redefine BattleTech? 

message: There seems to be a false entry in the "In Jokes" section,
"The character of Ka Ragin in "Whence the King" is a sniveling but argumentative hand-servant of the ComStar Precentor Martial, Victor Steiner-Davion. As is common in the newer products put out by FanPro, references to outspoken or supportive fans are often made and this character is an homage (of sorts) to fan "Karagin" from the Classic BattleTech forums."
There is no BT novel, "Whence the King," and it does not seem to be a short story on Battlecorps.com.
BT writers have said (of course) that they only "canonize" players in a good light. To date, it doesn't seem possible to find a fan included in canonical Battletech products in a negative light.
:Oddly, there is indeed a person on CBT.com's fora called Karagin. Quite why that entry was made is questionable. If it was an attempt to drag a dispute from Classic Battletech's fora to here, I'd advise the person responsible that such behavior is just as unacceptable here as there.
: Addenda- Hmm, someone appears to have restored the Karagin entry. I'm going to remove it, again. JayFrancis 00:34, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ka Ragin and "Whence the King" 

message: While an Informed comment on the Unseen/Harmony Gold settlement is nessecary, I would ask the Robotech and/or Macross fan to please stop graffittiing the Article. 
That's the third time I've had to remove il-informed and/or irelevant Macross/Robotech/lawsuit references from various points in this and the Mechwarrior article, mostly from the same IP address. You know who you are, stop it.--JayFrancis 01:06, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the story of the lawsuit more correctly belongs under FASA than under BattleTech, though there should be a short blurb here linking to such a section there. In the interest of helping someone write it up, here are all 7 of the legal briefs generated by the case, as well as FASA's announcement of a settlement. Enjoy. --Robotech_Master 21:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that I don't known much of BattleTech. But found that Japaneese edition has mech under lawsuit redesign BattleTech L-Zwei 05:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you're saying. Who is suing who and under what grounds? AidanPryde 02:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See first paragraph of Mecha#East and West.L-Zwei 12:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  I replaced that with text from Mecha article, hope it would work better.L-Zwei 03:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Misleading in what way? It was FASA that had to drop the old 'Mech designs no? --Cantis 21:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because new, non-anime based designs (for other 'Mechs) were already in print when the anime-based designs were dropped, so the legal problems weren't the reason for making new designs.  Also the phrasing was a little confusing since BattleTech uses the word "design" to refer to the stats of a 'Mech rather than its appearance. Skiltao 01:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robotech, Macross and the Unseen 

message: None of MechWarrior games have their own articles on Wikipedia - there is only their list in MechWarrior article. I think that at least MechWarrior: Vengeance should have its own article. For example MechAssault for xBox has an exhaustive article although I don't know anyone who like it - on the contrary many people I know really like Vengeance and I think it's a shame Wikipedia provides absolutely no info about it. Walter Smith 14:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold, make new articles, games are notable without a doubt.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I wrote an article about it. Take a look at it and tell me what do you think - it's my first one. Walter Smith 22:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate article about MechWarrior: Vengeance 

message: Correct me if I am mistaken, but am I the only one that believes the clans to be a "Major Political Power" in the canon?  After all, MechWarrior 2 was dedicated to them, as are many paperback books, as well as a significant portion of Dark Age products put out by WizKids.  Not to mention the invasion of the Inner Sphere (Wolcott, Luthien, etc.) Wizardry Dragon 20:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, the "Invading Clans" are, as a group, a significant Inner Sphere power... is there a reason that the Rasalhague Dominion gets singled out, or can it (and the FRR) be moved to Minor Powers?  Also, since the Steel Wolves probably don't have full Clan status and are already in the Republic list, I'm removing them from the Clan list.  Skiltao 22:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but when the term "Inner Sphere" is used, it refers to the Great Houses, not any Clans. Those invading Clans are still considered Clans by both Warden Clans not in the Inner Sphere and the Inner Sphere itself. If the Steel Wolves don't belong with the Clans, where do they belong? They are certainly a power worth mentioning. They're more Clan than anything else and their questionable status as a Clan could be (or may already be) explained in the article on the Steel Wolves. I do agree the RD and FRR are minor powers. I dont mean to split hairs, but is Comstar really a minor political power? IIRC, They do have the power to rival one of the four houses of the Inner Sphere, which to makes them more of a Major power to me.AidanPryde 04:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The FIVE houses ;)  What do you think of dividing the Clans between "Invading Clans" and "Homeworld Clans," to parallel how the Inner Sphere Powers are divided?  Also, I agree about Comstar.  If no one objects by tomorrow, I'll go ahead with the changes. --Skiltao 06:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't Wardens and the Crusaders be a better distinction? Or we can have both, perhaps.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus  talk  15:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Invading" and "Homeworld" tells you where the clan is and gives you an idea of how important they are, while "Warden" and "Crusader" do not.--Skiltao 02:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Clans 

message: I feel that taking off the type of weapons in the intro is not needed due to the weapons are listed in the technology page
I agree with what the previous person meant, if I read the comment correctly. The list of weapons ought to be confined to "technology", as it stands they clutter up the introduction.  --Claytonius3 14:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: title length

message: It was recently suggested that the intro for the Battletech main page was too long. This seemed to be the case to me. So I basically just cut the middle of the intro which was mostly about the novels, the table-top games, the video games, the source books and the tv show. Then I put all of that in a new section. Its a little umm.., "clunky" I guess, since I just cut and pasted it. Now I'm not too sure how to make it "unclunky." Help me with this.AidanPryde 15:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro Problems

message: I am not versed in Mechwarrior history but where does the clan Kell Hounds fit in? It is a clan in Mechewarrior 4 Mercenaries (the only mechwarrior game I have) --Typer525 Talk Click here at your own risk 18:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kell Hounds is one of the largest mercenary companies in the BT universe. I am sure we will have an article on it eventually, for now I'd exect you should be able to Google lots of info (and maybe create the article with it :>).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhhh...no, not even close.  Wolf's Dragoons, Eridani Light Horse, Northwind Highlanders, Lexington Combat Group, Blue Star Irregulars, Illician Lancers are all equal in size or significantly larger than the Hounds, and these are off the top of my head. Sircrackpot 04:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say they are the largest, did I? But they are certainly one of the largest. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It is pretty large, it is one of the 4 playable clans in Mech. 4 Mercs. But I was wondering why it was not on the clan list... --Typer525 Talk Click here at your own risk 22:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mercenary companies are not clans (Wolf Dragoons being somewhat of an exception, but... spoilers :>).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was under the assumption that Kell Hounds was a clan. I think I remember it being called Clan Kell Hounds in Mech 4: Mercs. I might be wrong though. Typer525 Talk Click here at your own risk 23:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guarantee you that KH are not a clan, they are an IS mercenary unit. See this or Google for other pages about this unit.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are, however, closely allied to Clan Wolf-in-exile, through Khan Phelan Ward Kell, who was captured by the Wolf Clan and adopted into their ranks. When he led the Warden Wolves into exile, he took refuge in the Kell Hounds' Arc-Royal Defense Cordon. --Groggy Dice 19:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kell Hounds 

message: We really have too many elinks, they need pruning (Wikipedia is not a web directory).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  01:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links need pruning

message: * NeoFreak: Willing to start the WikiProject and act as Lead Coordinator.
* Huwmanbeing: I can write pretty clearly, and I'd be happy to take on any drafting or editing tasks.
*  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  20:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential Members

message: The  wikiproject has been created. One of the most important things we have to do is recruit! Alot of work needs to be done with templates and simple grunt work of tagging all the articles in the scpoe of the project. Check it out! NeoFreak 17:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish you all luck in the endevor before you. Battletech was one of my first games and FASA the first company I had any real loyalty to. However ..."I'm fairly familiar with BattleTech and can write clearly, but know next to nothing about Wikipedia policy or technical issues"... I'm not pointing that out to pick on anyone (in fact I respect the honesty of it!!!) but it illustrates a key point. Those without a background in wikipedia policy or encyclopedieas in general need to get up to speed before they start writing here. If you all want to be succesful remember... you're writing for an encyclopedia NOT a fan page. I've seen way to many attempts at doing wikiprojects fail because the same people with the passion to do it become the same ones that can't leave personal opinion and objectivity at the door because of that passion. When something can be said in plain words not genre terms, do it. You're writing this for everyone here not just for fans. When something can be said in 10 words paraphrased not 100 words quoted, do it. In the grand scheme it's just a game and a fictional univere, don't take it too seriously (and for the love of god don't write from an in-universe perspective!!!). I'm sure if you all are really serious about this you've all taken alot of this into consideration, but consider it my words of wisdom to you on making this a great section of wikipedia articles (especially given how much work they need) in the task ahead of you. And no, I have -NO- desire to help personally. Just a desire to see you all take your good intentions and succeed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.132.156.26 (talk) 07:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the concern. I'm quite the policy nazi and one of the bigest reasons why I proposed the project was to decrease individual articles and policy violations, not increase the scope of coverage with fluff. NeoFreak 12:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: It's up!

message: Hi, sorry for my poor english. The user Judgesurreal777 has proposed several BT articles to be deleted. I think that some of them are really relevant. I only inform you in case it hasn't been realized (and I haven't time off by now to improve them by myself). Greetings. --Bedwyr (talk) 21:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you link them here, so we can consider whether to endorse deletion, oppose it or consider merging?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can demonstrate to me on the respective deletion nomination pages that the articles in question are notable, like if you can find stuff on how each respective battletech clan was created in real life by the designers or creators, or now popular the battletech stuff is in real life, then I'll withdraw it. Otherwise, it may be advisable to either merge stuff together and source it, or transwiki it before deletion. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree some entries should be merged. Please list prodded of AfD articles here so we can discuss it and hopefully do a batch of merges; I am not looking forward to going through all BTech articles to see which ones were selected for AfD.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to make a draft of the current BattleTech articles, so we can see what should be done. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the master list, I'm still working on it, but all the article should be there....feel free to put it somewhere besides here for convenience.Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, based on looking at the whole topic, there needs to be some serious consolidation...we should create one factions article, one nations article, one clans article, one locations article, one planets article, on organizations article, and one technology article. That would cut down the topic  by 46 articles, which makes sense, after all why does this topic need over 5 DOZEN articles on their fictional world and there is barely any notability among any of them? This is the only path besides mass deletion. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the spirit but wouldn't go that far. For example, major factions (ex. Clan Wolf or Draconis Combine) are notable as stand-alone articles. For that reason I would like to see Periphery (BattleTech) undeleted - but I endorse the deletion of its subarticles (which should have been merged into the Periphery article, not removed from the project).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hear "[This] is notable" a lot, but that does nothing to help the average reader like myself who has never heard of the thing. The entire Clan Wolf article is filled with in-universe plot information, with no out-of-universe perspective and no secondary sources to back up notability. Rather than talking about notability on talk pages, if someone would just add secondary sources to the article and have the article assert notability, we wouldn't even need to have this conversation to begin with. I guess I'm just confused as to why no one is willing to do this, if the subject is so notable. Pagrashtak 01:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking for myself, I prefer to edit non-fiction things, I consider editing here a waste of time - which I could be spending creating more notable content; however I don't want to see notable fiction articles destroyed as others put time into them. Clan Wolf is a major subject of dozen or so of books, which I believe satisfied the notability criteria.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  01:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Being the subject of a work of fiction doesn't establish notability, however, as this is not independent of the subject, as required by Wikipedia:Notability. It seems that cases like this would just end up with articles that repeat the plots found in the articles about the books. Pagrashtak 05:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi, again. I see that there is movement about it. I didn't see that there is a wikiproject about BT. Thanks for your time and effort. Sorry for my late and useless answer, I'll try to contribute with some ideas for the clean up. Bedwyr (talk) 23:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of BT articles 

message: *BattleTech
*BattleTech: The Animated Series
*List of BattleTech characters
*MechWarrior
*Military organization (BattleTech)
*Star League Defense Force (SLDF) Uniforms
*List of BattleTech characters
Comments: Keep with the exception of Star League Defense Force (SLDF) Uniforms which... heck, I am not sure what to do with it, but its really doesn't seem notable or easily mergeable... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree.  Also, I see Jordan Weisman has an article, but not L. Ross Babcock with whom he created the game.  If anyone is familiar enough with BattleTech's early history, perhaps they could create it?  Huwmanbeing ★ 01:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. SLDF uniforms doesn't seem too much relevant to me... I think we could dispense without it. --Bedwyr (talk) 23:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: General (9 items)

message: *Bannson's Raiders
*Mercenaries (BattleTech)
*Successor States
*Wolf's Dragoons
*Word of Blake
Comments: Keep with the exception of Bannson's Raiders which should be merged into Mercenaries (BattleTech) as a not notable merc outfit (done).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, even with a merge of Northwind Highlanders. --Bedwyr (talk) 23:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Factions (5 items)

message: *Capellan Confederation
*Draconis Combine
*Federated Commonwealth
*Federated Suns
*Free Rasalhague Republic
*Free Worlds League
*Lyran Alliance
*Rasalhague Dominion
*Republic of the Sphere
*St. Ives Compact
*Star League
Comments: with the exception of Star League (see below), they are major factions and should be kept. Perhaps Free Rasalhague Republic and Rasalhague Dominion could be merged, but I am not very convinced of that.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that articles on all these major factions should be retained.  Personally I think the Star League casts such a long shadow on the history of the BattleTech universe that it also should kept, but I'm flexible on that. Huwmanbeing ★ 02:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Btw, I merged the deleted Terran Hegemony into it for now.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  03:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would keep the Star League article, where other minor articles could be merged. --Bedwyr (talk) 23:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nations (11 items)

message: *Clans (BattleTech)
*Clan Ghost Bear
*Clan Jade Falcon
*Clan Mongoose
*Clan Nova Cat
*Clan Smoke Jaguar
*Clan Wolf
*Clan Wolf-in-Exile
*Minnesota Tribe
Comments: Clan Wolf-in-Exile should probably be merged into Clan Wolf. Clan Mongoose and the Minnesota Tribe are definitely not notable and should be merged into the main list of clans at Clans (BattleTech). PS. Most clans are not notable, the following have been deleted and I endorse it - I will just restore their edit history for possible redirects: Clan Star Adder, Clan Ice Hellion, Clan Goliath Scorpion, Clan Cloud Cobra, Clan Burrock, Clan Widowmaker, Clan Fire Mandrill, Clan Blood Spirit, Clan Diamond Shark, Clan Coyote, Clan Hell's Horses, Clan Snow Raven, Clan Wolverine. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Let's keep the 4 major clans and merge the rest of them :) --Bedwyr (talk) 23:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clans (8 items)

message: *AeroTech
*BattleForce
*BattleSpace
*BattleTech 3030
*BattleTech 3065
*BattleTech Centers
*BattleTech Collectible Card Game
*BattleTech: The Crescent Hawk's Inception
*BattleTech: The Crescent Hawk's Revenge
*BattleTroops
*CityTech
*Classic BattleTech
*List of BattleTech games
*MechAssault
*MechAssault 2: Lone Wolf
*MechAssault: Phantom War
*MechCommander
*MechCommander 2
*MechWarrior (role-playing game)
*MechWarrior (video game)
*MechWarrior (video games)
*MechWarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
*MechWarrior 3
*MechWarrior 4: Mercenaries
*MechWarrior 4: Vengeance
*MechWarrior: Dark Age
*MegaMek
*Multiplayer BattleTech 3025
*Multiplayer BattleTech: EGA
*Multiplayer BattleTech: Solaris
*Red Planet (game)
*The Succession Wars
Comments: What about a merge of most of them in List of BattleTech games and List of BattleTech video games? --Bedwyr (talk) 09:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In general, Wikipedia accepts published game titles like these as worthy of individual articles, so I think keeping them distinct is fine.  The list of games serves as a good summary of the series, though there are a few missing bits of info here and there that we might want to fill in. Huwmanbeing ★ 13:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Games (32 items)

message: *History of the BattleTech universe
*Star League
Comments: Star League can probably be merged into History of the BattleTech universe.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Star League is already mentioned in the nations section. I would keep an only article where merge some other not relevant by themselves. --Bedwyr (talk) 23:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History (2 items)

message: *Capellan March
*Castle Brian Fortresses
*Chaos March
*Crucis March
*Draconis March
*Inner Sphere
*Sarna March
*St. Ives Compact
*Terra (BattleTech)
I'd suggest merging all of the above into Geography of the BattleTech universe or similar article, with a map. Planets (see below) could be merged there, too.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agree :) --Bedwyr (talk) 23:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Locations (8 items)

message: *New Avalon (BattleTech)
*Solaris VII
*Strana Mechty
*Terra (BattleTech)
*Tharkad (BattleTech)
I'd suggest merging all of those into List of BattleTech planets.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great idea! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Planets (5 items)

message: *Armed Forces of the Federated Suns
*Dominion Council
*Gray Death Legion
*Snord's Irregulars
*Waco Rangers
*Eridani Light Horse‎
Comments: I think Armed Forces of the Federated Suns should be merged into Federated Suns; Dominion Council into Rasalhague Dominion (done). Eridani Light Horse‎, Snord's Irregulars and Waco Rangers don't strike me as notable mercenary companies, hence they could be merged into Mercenaries (BattleTech) (done).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ComStar is already mentioned in factions section. --Bedwyr (talk) 23:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Organizations (6 items)

message: *BattleMech
*BattleTech technology
*Elemental (BattleTech)
*Jumpship (BattleTech)
*List of BattleMechs
*Neurohelmet
*Particle Projection Cannon
Comments:
*I don't think Neurohelmet and Particle Projection Cannon are notable by themselves, they should be merged into BattleTech technology.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure? I think that we could trim and make it one article that might survive, if we can then source it, but I'm not sure how they would do on their own. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Technology (7 items)

message: :Bandit Kingdoms (BattleTech) - to merge from 
:Circinus Federation - to merge from 
:Lothian League - to merge from 
:Magistracy of Canopus - to merge from 
:Mica Majority - to merge from 
:Niops Association - to merge from 
:Oberon Confederation - to merge from 
:Taurian Concordat - ALL merged
:Comment: the articles have been redirected. If you want to merge their content to Periphery article, it is in the restored edit history; please do not restore the articles as individual ones, we have consensus against that.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  01:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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