Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey

message: I edit the altnernate captains of the flames 2023-24 page, along with the listed players (Coleman, Kadri and Weegar), and the edit stood for a couple weeks before they were removed. I was told I did not provide sources when I did. Those players were wearing A’s on their jerseys over previous named alternate captains, Jonathan Huberdeau and Rasmus Andersson. I also forgot to edit the offical NHL Captains and Alternate Captains page. I just want to know if I was in the wrong when naming those players. Tylerboyd17 (talk) 22:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The NHL source in the edit summary is good; the edit is no longer WP:OR. Conyo14 (talk) 23:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The source isn’t good? Tylerboyd17 (talk) 01:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Hi, so the source I used in the flames edits are good? Can I restore my edits on Coleman, Kadri and Weegar? Tylerboyd17 (talk) 00:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes Conyo14 (talk) 00:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Tylerboyd17 (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flames alternate captains  

message: I just noticed this WP:CFORK article returned after being redirected to List of NHL game sevens for three years. Anyone mind if I resume the redirect? Conyo14 (talk) 22:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems reasonable to me, plus a subsection of the ten longest game seven overtime games could be added to List of NHL game sevens similar to the most frequent matchups in the List of NHL playoff series. Deadman137 (talk) 22:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Sounds good. Wracking talk! 23:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of NHL overtime game sevens]] 

message: An editor is attempting to create Draft:List of NHL players with most games played by franchise, which is useless since we have List of NHL players that has links to pages with that information. – sbaio 14:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps discuss it with the editor on his/her talk page? Flibirigit (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The user is Marino13, they have a history of WP:BATTLEGROUND issues and irregular disruption via new articles. I expect they will not be happy to have this article appropriately redirected. Conyo14 (talk) 17:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: A polite message is an essential building block of Wikipedia. Flibirigit (talk) 20:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

text: To be exact, it’s a CFORK of List of NHL players with 1,000 games played - it’s almost directly copied from there. The Kip 15:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft:List of NHL players with most games played by franchise 

message: I'd appreciate it if i could get feedback and improvement ideas for the article Satakunnan derby. Cheers! –   Poriman55     - Meddela mig! 20:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I just did a quick copy edit, including removing the bullet points (I don't think they're necessary). I recommend adding a "background" section, to answer questions like: why does this rivalry exist? what are the main characteristics of this rivalry? Also, try to reduce WP:PROSELINE by adding detail, changing up wording, and putting text in appropriate/relevant paragraphs and sections. Wracking talk! 22:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to fix the proseline issue. I can try to find sources about the background of the rivalry. I know it pretty well myself, because I'm from the area and the two cities have been rivals through generations, but I don't think there will be many sources to confirm that though. –   Poriman55     - Meddela mig! 11:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good! Wracking talk! 14:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help appreciated. 

message: Figure I'd alert the community of this RM opened at Djurgårdens IF Hockey, seeing as it's been buried on the main WP:IH page under all the NAIA national championship ones. The Kip 20:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  RM opened at Djurgårdens IF Hockey 

message: Merger discussion here. A proposed merger of Pata (esports) and Porin Ässät. –   Poriman55     - Meddela mig! 19:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger discussion 

message: Noticed there's no article, so I started a (very rough) draft at Draft:NHL draft combine. Right now, it's basically just a collection of possibly useful sources, and a very basic structure. I invite others to chip in, if interested. Wracking talk! 20:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add some stuff to the history and reception portion of it. Conyo14 (talk) 20:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Draft:NHL draft combine]] 

message: Should we add it, or should we wait a few years for the PWHL to be more established? Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 21:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Waiting a bit is probably best. Flibirigit (talk) 23:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding PWHL draft to the biography infobox template 

message: Could someone take a look at HC Bat Yam? The article has a lot of Russian (?) text and the sources aren't good. –   Poriman55     - Meddela mig! 21:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  HC Bat Yam 

message: Within the Awards section of each NHL season page (e.g. 2023–24 NHL season) we have been including the Lester Patrick Trophy. Personally, I don't think continuing to do something just because it is how we are currently doing it is always the best reason, and its inclusion I think is something to reconsider. The nature of the Patrick Trophy is "to honor a recipient's contribution to ice hockey in the United States" and the winners can come from a number of different peripheries of the hockey world, not the NHL. In fact, only a small portion of winners have been active NHL players (especially in more recent years), and it has no connection to the active NHL season.
On our "List of National Hockey League awards" page, the Patrick Trophy is listed in the 'See also' section as follows:
* "Lester Patrick Trophy - presented, in part by the NHL, for contributions to hockey in the United States, but not considered an NHL award"
On the actual Lester Patrick Trophy page it reads as follows:
* "It is considered a non-NHL trophy because it may be awarded to players, coaches, officials, and other personnel outside the NHL."
And in recent media by the NHL about their own seasonal awards, it is not even mentioned (see: NHL to announce trophy winners beginning May 14)
The NHL does not include it in it's annual list of awards, our own IceHockey Project does not include it as an NHL award elsewhere, and the actual definition of the award does not relate it to the NHL season.
And as for one final argument, we exclude even more relevant trophies in the tables - a peripheral award like the E. J. McGuire Award of Excellence which is tied into NHL scouting on the season and related to the team that drafts said player, or other community awards like the Willie O’Ree Community Hero Award, which, similar to the Patrick trophy, rewards members of the community not necessarily related to the NHL, but is actually presented by the NHL and is included in the awards ceremony, or the old NHL Foundation Player Award which was given explicitly to active NHL players who contributed to their communities, and is only included in like one season Awards table. We don't even include all of the defunct actual regular season performance related trophies on their respective pages (e.g. Roger Crozier Saving Grace Award - 2000–01 NHL season; NHL/Sheraton Road Performer Award - 2003–04; Scotiabank/NHL Fan Fav Award - 2009–10 NHL season).
All of this is to say, I propose we remove the Lester Patrick Trophy from the awards table due to lack of relevance and/or at least add all of the other peripheral trophies, too (I am willing to volunteer to do the work). –uncleben85 (talk) 15:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, sounds good. It is a non-NHL award, mostly kept intact by the HHOF. Conyo14 (talk) 16:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

text: If a person associated with the NHL receives the award, it could be listed in the see also section for that specific NHL season. Flibirigit (talk) 17:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Agreed.   Ravenswing      18:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Don't see any reason not to if it's not officially an NHL award. The Kip 20:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to remove Lester Patrick Trophy from the NHL season-by-season pages 

message: Discussion here. Just looking for some feedback and participation. The proposal is to ignore MOS:LINKONCE when formatting the Winners table. Makes accessing relevant links easier and fits consistent formatting over other tables across the IceHockey Project that are "overlinked" (e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], etc.) –uncleben85 (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Award Table formatting discussion 

message: I’m assuming that this has been talked about in the past, but I’m just wondering this for myself. Is there a specific reason that the ice hockey template does not support parameters like class or importance? Personally, I think it would be helpful. Can someone explain why? Thank you. XR228 (talk) 21:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: We shouldn't have our own |class= parameter (WP:PIQA suffices), but |importance= could be helpful. Wracking talk! 21:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Just plugged in the class parameter, and it does in fact work, but the |1= makes it unnecessary, of course. The importance parameter does not work, but I think it could be put to good use. Is there a reason why it doesn't work? Can we make it work? XR228 (talk) 00:53, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ice hockey template 

message: The article, however, is substantially lacking in prose about the tourney, which will for the moment prevent it from being posted to the front page. Anyone willing or able to work on it? The Kip (contribs) 05:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[2024 IIHF World Championship]] has been nominated for a blurb at [[WP:ITN/C|ITN/C]] 

message: A discussion about the use of team nicknames has begun at Talk:Vegas Golden Knights. The scope of the discussion has expanded beyond Vegas Golden Knights. Join the discussion here. Wracking talk! 23:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of team nicknames 

message: I know I talked about this a few days ago, but I didn't get an exact answer—why don't we have an |importance parameter on the Ice Hockey template? All the other sports Wiki projects have them. We could come up with a system for how articles should be organized by importance. I'm just saying an importance parameter would help a lot. XR228 (talk) 02:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's entirely subjective, and riddled with recentism and homerism into the bargain.  What exactly does it add?   Ravenswing      07:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The importance parameter seems useless to me. I concur that it is very subjective. Flibirigit (talk) 13:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

text: I think it we could make it work. Top importance would be level-4 vital article players (Gretzky, Howe), level-5 vital article teams (Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs, Canada men's national team, Ak Bars Kazan), and we can also add the NHL and the IIHF. I think we could figure out a system like this for other articles. XR228 (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the ice hockey project wants to delegate an importance rating to the vital articles projects. The key question is if this is just going to be a time sink in arguing about whether something is top, high, mid, low, or bottom importance, versus spending a similar amount of effort on, say, creating new lists akin to User:Ravenswing/Hockey Mountain? isaacl (talk) 18:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, Hockey Mountain and other lists is a great use of our time, but adding an importance rating could show us what very important articles really need work. Speaking of Hockey Mountain, we could instead base our importance rating on Hall of Famers. I think figuring out what articles get what importance won't be too much of a hassle. XR228 (talk) 19:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasting time on an unnecessary parameter does not reduce the work needed to climb Hockey Mountain. Flibirigit (talk) 21:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that. I'm saying categorizing articles with an importance parameter could help us come up with lists like Hockey Mountain for other important articles. XR228 (talk) 22:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The simpler solution would be just to ask us what needs to be worked on. Flibirigit (talk) 22:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose that could work. We could add stuff to our to-do list. XR228 (talk) 22:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Importance parameter? I'll need a visual example. GoodDay (talk) 17:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean? XR228 (talk) 23:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Agree that importance parameter isn't needed and is likely to require more work than it's worth. Lists like Hockey Mountain can better fulfill the Project's needs. Wracking talk! 23:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I have come to that realization. In fact, I have been working on something like that for the Boston Bruins. I think making lists can be good for this project. XR228 (talk) 23:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense. Also, I appreciate the work you've done on the main wikiproject page. It doesn't go unnoticed! Wracking talk! 23:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for noticing that. I've noticed that the WikiProject seems to be stuck in 2008, so I hope to make it less outdated. XR228 (talk) 00:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Please remember to use edit summaries when working in the main space or project space. It helps everyone understand the rationale for a change. Flibirigit (talk) 00:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. XR228 (talk) 00:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Hear me out. This may sound a bit insane, but just listen… What if we created a series of Good topics, all related to the NHL. The first topic can be the NHL and its teams and the second topic can be the timeline of the NHL. For the next four, we can use Hockey Mountain to help us. The third good topic can be a list of Hockey Hall of Famers, the fourth can be NHL players with 1,000 career games played, the fifth can be NHL players with 1,000 career points, and the sixth can be NHL players with 500 career goals. I know this sounds absurd, but it is possible. XR228 (talk) 00:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree anything is possible. Maybe some editors could help you. My primary interests are outside of the NHL. Flibirigit (talk) 00:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:Good topics are basically just lists of related articles, so sure, you can start them if you plan to work your way through those articles to bring them to at least Good Article status (with, of course, anyone else interested free to contribute). If you don't have any plans to do so, then personally I'd suggest waiting until you do. isaacl (talk) 00:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course. I just want to see who's willing to contribute. I think it would be nice if multiple people from the project could come together and work on this. I can definitely work on it. If anyone else wants to contribute, just say so below. XR228 (talk) 01:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance parameter 

message: Just so everyone knows, List of WHA broadcasters has been nominated for deletion. Masterhatch (talk) 18:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of WHA broadcasters