Talk:1968 Democratic National Convention

message: The article contains virtually nothing about the proceedings of the convention.John Paul Parks (talk) 07:39, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Incomplete

message: This article is awful. Weighted statements like "brought the promise of hope to a generation" and "America’s most reliable journalist" don't belong in an encyclopedia. "With events in the United States crashing against the American population faster and faster, 1968 quickly developed into a year of rage." is completely ambiguous that seems to have been written by someone who has just watched Forrest Gump. The heading says Richard J Daley while the non-wiki-linked text says Richard R Daley. Most of what's included in the LBJ paragraph is completely irrelevant. Worst of all, the article lacks any information on the Convention itself other than the Nomination process.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.187.240 (talk) 03:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs a lot of cleanup

message: I would like to add an external link to a lesson plan created by the Columbus Museum of Art that deals specifically with the 1968 Democratic National Convention.  It surrounds a painting by Bernard Perlin called Mayor Daley and the lesson plan is geared towards teachers and students to learn more about the painting as well as the Convention itself.  I would appreciate anyone's comments so that I could add this link. ArtandSocialIssues (talk) 15:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External link

message: This entire article is ridiculously one sided.  It reads like something Hoffman himself would have written.  An article detailing the protestors demands, followed up by a factual timeline of the events, and concluding with an aftermath section would be sufficient.  Now its nothing but Yippie Propaganda.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.181.47.130 (talk) 17:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: The Ribicoff page claims that lip-readers and eyewitnesses said Daley said, quote, "Fuck you, you jew motherfucker!". here it says something about "kike". any clarification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.87.40 (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ribicoff

message: This article needs specific dates for the beginning and end of both the convention and protests and riots in the streets of Chicago.  Right now, it only has a tangential reference to August 27th as the birthday of LBJ.  Would anyone be willing to find the required dates?
--Sophitus 02:37, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
:The convention began on August 26 and ended on the 29. LBJ turned 60 on August 27, which was during the convention. The riots happened on that day as well. -- SNIyer12 20:47, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
The significance of holding the convention in that week is that when the dates were reserved, it was expected that Lyndon Johnson would seek and obtain re-nomination, so they were planning to do it on or about his birthday.  When Walter Cronkite and other members of the press scared him off from running, it became meaningless, but it was not practical to change the dates.John Paul Parks (talk) 07:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates?

message: I milk think them riots and the convention itself should be separate articles. I think their is enough info to cover each as separate articles.  Some areas that should also be covered regarding the riot include:
*The use of violence by police against protester. Their are all sorts of eyewitness accounts by the press and regular people that can be quoted.
*The response by Mayor Daily, Chicago Police, Local Authorities, etc. to the charges of police brutality and violence incitement by police. 
*Describe what the those charged as part of the Chicago eight (later seven) where doing during the riots and what about it was claimed to justify the charges against them. Also the Chicago Seven trial should have a full paragraph included on it as part of a summery rather then just the two lines currently in the article.
*The riots have been said to have swayed some undecided voters towards Nixon by giving the Democratic party a black eye. This should be discussed as their are notable historians and political commentators who have discussed this aspect of the '68 election.
If I find the time maybe I'll try to dig up some additional info on the riots and start a separate article on them. --Cab88 13:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spinoff a riot article 

message: The following line seems POV, anyone mind if I remove it?
Of course, LBJ couldn't travel anywhere without facing any protests.
I would consider this line as POV as well as possibly inaccurate if taken litteraly:
Despite personally and professionally torturing his vice-president, Hubert Humphrey, President Johnson did make efforts to rally convention leaders behind him.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Docdave (talk • contribs) 00:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  LBJ 

message: Please source. This article as it stands is an original research piece. --Cerejota 03:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Could there be a section on possible reasons why the protests occurred?  Or am I to assume that all presidential conventions have protests of that size from their own party members?
You will see the (D-MN) or whatever designation in every US paper or magazine referring to senators, governors, etc., indicating party and state. The publications don't clarify for international distribution, as far as I know.  All states have a standard 2-letter postal abbreviation used for mail and other official purposes.  If you don't know the state abbreviations I'm afraid you will have to look them up, because the party-state postal abbreviation designation is standard across the board when referring to politicians. The state abbreviation designations are readily available online or in many publications if you aren't in the US.  On the local level it will say (D-4th) or something to indicate democrat-4th district or ward or whatever the case may be.98.206.102.76 (talk) 04:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons 

message: the intro contains the following text:
Senator Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)
I'm assuming it means democratic senator for New York, but this should be cleared up for anyone (like me) who is not from the USA. Could someone who actually is 100% sure what this means rephrase the sentence to be internationally accessible? Steevm 15:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct.  MN is the post office abbreviation for Minnesota, and ME is the post office abbreviation for Maine.  The traditional abbreviations, however, are Minn. and Me., respectively, and they should be used in formal writing.John Paul Parks (talk) 07:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation may be needed 

message: in Tom Brokaw's 1968 he did a segment on the convention and riots.  Before night Hippies were flying a VC flag on a statue in the park. The police removed the Hippies and flag. Just thought maybe some reference to that may have incited the police even more.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feickus (talk • contribs) 19:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Viet Cong Flag on Equestrian statue 

message: This page contains severe problems of POV and nuetrality, whole paragraphs of what must be seen as clearly partisan opinion about the events, media reaction, police response, etc, are without references of footnotes of any kind.  I refuse to believe an event of this significance lacks the ability to reference these views, if true, so until this is done the page must be tagged as such.  also, paragraphs are your friends... use some?JJJ999 (talk) 05:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just reaching the same conclusion and, judging by past comments, others agree.  Nothing has been done about it though.  The area that really is too long and most problemic seems to be the section on the protests.  I can't fix it, but am going to move it to its own article with the hopes that some else will take the time to cut it down to a more encyclopedic article.  PerlKnitter (talk) 19:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: The Nomination section has no references, and they could be used elsewhere as well.  Rather than tag it with refimprove, I've combined them into article issues. Darthveda (talk) 00:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Issues 

message: I am currenly working on a proper clean up of this article for grammar and neutrality. I will be using an array of books to properly document what happnened at the convention as best as I can. I'm using Todd Gitlin's book, as well as a Kennedy biography by Schlesinger to improve the quality of the article. I will also make an effort to correct and include proper references. For information that I cannot find references for or seem to be neutral I will erase.
Elfkin70 (talk)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.20.94.191 (talk) 17:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up 

message: I've noticed that the External Links section of this article has been tagged. Since removal of these links might be contentious I have listed the changes that I feel should be made here. 
I have only deleted links that clearly don't belong. See: WP:EL and WP:NOT.
; Deleted
Personal Pages / Unreliable
*Chicago '68: A Chronology
*Chicago '68: An Introduction, by Dean Blobaum (2000)
*Chicago '68 by James P. Turner
*Chicago 1968: The Whole World Is Watching by Janet Heetner; includes photos, documents, news clippings
*The Chicago Convention: A Baptism Called A Burial, by Jo Freeman (1968)
Unavailable
*Whole World Watching, by John Calloway
*1968, August: Disturbances at the Democratic National Convention from the Chicago Public Library
*Chicago '68 by Alvin Susumu Tokunow (1968)                     
Copyright Violation
* Conventions: The Land Around Us at Google Videos: Film Documentary with lots of footage of both the Democrats' Convention and the protests                                     
Less Content than Article
*American Experience: Chicago 1968
Product Promtion Websites
*An excerpt from Chicago '68 by David Farber.
*An excerpt from Battleground Chicago: The Police and the 1968 Democratic National Convention by Frank Kusch.
*Examples of McCarthy Anti-War Campaign Pins & Buttons
Same source
*Grooving in Chi, 1968 Esquire article by Terry Southern
Direct Media Links
*  
* 
; Questionable
*History Files: Parades, Protests and Politics                 
Editorials
*Brief History of Chicago's 1968 Democratic Convention from Allhistory, CNN and Time.                      
If you have any concerns regarding these removals please leave a note here (not on my talk page), thank you.→(Speak•MorgothX•Havoc) 23:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link Cleanup 

message: The amount of tear gas used to suppress the protestors was so great that it eventually made it’s way to the Hilton Hotel where it disturbed Hubert Humphrey while in his shower.
What is the point of this statement?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.126.94.10 (talk) 01:22, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really Strange 

message: While the article has extensive info on the city selection process, the Dan Rather Incident, the protests and the Chicago Seven; it really needs delegate numbers and the results of the votes.
Specifically, the article should have:  The number of delegates pledged to each candidate (and who the Kennedy delegates supported/voted for - reasonably speaking, these delegates would have been released).  The results of the Presidential nominating vote(s).  The results of the Vice-Presidential nominating vote(s).  Etc.
Many other nominating convention articles have this kind of info.  This article should, also.
72.82.201.213 (talk) 23:49, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is still missing that information many months later. As a result I have downgraded this article to "Stub" class. (The fact that Eugene McCarthy & Hubert Humphrey were in fierce competition for the nomination, & neither had a clear majority on the first day of the convention, is important.) Add the information the anon above requested, & this rating can be reversed. -- llywrch (talk) 05:51, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Delegate Numbers  & Vote Results

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message: The article currently says (emphasis added):
:Connecticut Senator Abraham Ribicoff used his nominating speech for George McGovern to report the violence going on outside the convention hall. He reportedly said that "With George McGovern as President of the United States, we wouldn't have to have Gestapo tactics in the streets of Chicago!" Mayor Daley responded to his remark with something unintelligible through the television sound, although lip-readers throughout America claimed to have observed him shouting, "Fuck you, you Jew son of a bitch."
Why is Ribicoff's quote described as what he "reportedly" said? Presumably his speech would have been filmed by the television networks covering the convention. In fact, it must have been broadcast -- else how could television viewers been able to see Daley's reaction to that comment? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:06, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ribicoff's nominating speech 

message: Every source I've read says there was only one ballot, so it's misleading to name it "Final Ballot", which implies several. 
As others have said this is a very weak article, particularly on the mechanics of the voting.  Pledged delegates, etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeroXero (talk • contribs) 22:46, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Ballot heading 

message: If there is a mob of persons marching on public streets, obstructing traffic, with no parade permit, impeding movement of citizens, blocking commerce, & preventing stores from selling, that itself is not a mere protest; that is a riot. If the police put it down & clear the streets, that is not a riot.  It is a decisive demonstration of governmental authority.  For a mob to take over streets on its own initiative, is a violation of Republic or what is commonly called democracy.  The people never voted for such riots.  I suggest that this article be edited for NPOV and objectivity, avoiding such terms as ALL & EVERYBODY when such is not in evidence and is an exaggeration.  Labeling police action as "riot," is a perjorative opinion, not worthy of an encyclopedia, in this case. (PeacePeace (talk) 17:52, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The scenario you allude to in your first sentence is civil disobedience or civil disorder, not a riot. The term "police riot" comes from the Walker Report on precisely these events surrounding the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago, describing the "unrestrained and indiscriminate" violence that the police "inflicted upon persons who had broken no law, disobeyed no order, made no threat."Summary of the Walker Report, http://www.fjc.gov/history/home.nsf/page/tu_chicago7_doc_13.html Cheers! Captainllama (talk) 16:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV violation, "rioting" should be deleted in favor of neutral language 

message: Robert Kennedy was standing, not Edward M. Kennedy, yet the table (and its source) state votes cast for Edward M. Kennedy. The convention was in late August 1968; Robert Kennedy had been assassinated in early June. There shouldn't be any votes for any Kennedys! Captainllama (talk) 16:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kennedys 

message: More so than the 1860 Democratic National Convention, which began in Charleston, South Carolina and had to be adjourned and reconvened in Baltimore, Maryland?  Or the 1924 Democratic National Convention, known as the Klanbake, which required 103 ballots to select a nominee?174.17.137.81 (talk) 00:46, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It says "one of the most tense". And I think it certainly would qualify. (Especially in the modern era where the conventions are now pretty much infomercials.)Rja13ww33 (talk) 17:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Most tense and confrontational political convention?