Talk:Catholic Church and Judaism

message: Very weak article. sounds like it was written by the Pope.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.40.31 (talk) 14:41, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relations 

message: It's rather rude and unseeming that the title of the historical overview is titled "anti-judaism"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.14.77 (talk) 20:33, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  See "anti-judaism" ??? 

message: Is there some reason the circumlocution "Jewish person" needs to be substituted for the simpler and shorter "Jew"?  Is "Jew" some sort of dirty word? Jayjg (talk) 16:14, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Jew as a noun is not anti-Semitic, and it is insulting to suggest it is.  Jew is simply a description; it's like saying the "the first American to be nominated" etc., which is not at all derogatory, unless you think "American" is a bad word too.  As for "Cantor", people aren't described by their titles multiple times in an encyclopedia article; he is described as a Cantor once, that's plenty. Jayjg (talk) 20:48, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Jew" vs. "Jewish person" 

message: The text read:
:The artist Cantor Lawrence Eliezer Kepecs presented Pope John Paul II with a personally designed mezuzah inscribed with the "Priestly Blessing". 
Um, thousands of people have presented the Pope, and other high ranking Catholic clergy, with gifts.  Why is this one gift by this one man so important that it merits inclusion in this article?  Is Cantor Kepecs a leading figure in Catholic-Jewish relations?  Nope.  He is just one of hundreds of Jewish people who have met the Pope.  Let's not turn this article into a vanity page. RK 16:59, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
:Yes, it's part of a campaign to make Kepecs as prominent as possible, and to promote the minor event as perhaps the most earth-shattering one of the 20th and 21st centuries.  It should be deleted, as should article on Kepecs. Jayjg (talk) 18:17, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedia, not a "forum", and it contains information that is of encyclopedic value. Jayjg (talk) 20:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Turning this article into a vanity page

message: I've removed this entire section, except for one unrelated paragraph about the ADL that I moved to the beginning of its parent. This entire detailed description about a meeting held with John Paul II is unencyclopedic. As the (now-deleted) text notes, the pope had knighted into the Order of St. Gregory at least seven or eight Jews; hence, he seems to meet with Jews pretty often, really. The meeting was undoubtedly special for the folks involved, but there's no evidence that it was important to Relations between Catholicism and Judaism in a broader sense. See also Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Gary Krupp and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Lawrence Eliezer Kepecs. CDC (talk) 20:56, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One would have thought the Vatican recognizing Israel, or the Pope visiting Jerusalem, or the removal of the "perfidious Jews" prayer by Vatican II, or the Pope's visiting the synagogue in Rome, or the Pope referring to Jews as "our elder brothers", or dozens of other events, would be more important than some cantors singing to the Pope and giving him a mezuzah. Jayjg (talk) 22:39, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: "Perfidious Jews" was changed to "unfaithful Jews" in 1949 by Pius XII. What Vatican II is drop any negative connotations.--T. Anthony 13:59, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed vanity section

message: It would be interesting if we could have an entry about the possibility of a Jewish Pope. Saint Peter, the first Pope, was himself Jewish. There was also a medieval antipope that was reportedly Jewish. There are other stories as well from the Byzantine period and in Jewish folklore. Some had also speculated that the Jewish Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger could have become Pope.  ADM (talk) 01:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish Pope

message: I deleted the section. The section stated that under jewish law, even according to the most pro-life jews, abortion is sometimes even required. The source given for this statement was: Religion and abortion#Judaism. This page states nothing like what was written in the 'pro life issues' section. Furthermore, you can read on Judaism and abortion that "Generally speaking, traditionalist Jews firmly oppose abortion, with few health-related exceptions, [...].". I'm not an expert on this subject(at all) but it seems that the "pro life issues" section held wrong information and so it should not be on the page until it can be proven that the information is correct after all.
Richardprins (talk) 10:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The anti-Defamation League has asserted that certain fringe elements of the pro-life movement harbour anti-semitic views, presumably because of support for abortion among large sections of the American Jewish community.  ADM (talk) 04:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro life issues section deletion 

message: There are gaping holes in this article that neglect all of the times that the Church had instilled pogroms on the Jews.  You have the Crusades and proselytizing lectures to children, etc.  Then you have stolen property with churches that used to be synagogues that they won't return. Saxophonemn (talk) 13:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Church Sponsored Anti-Semitism 

message: I tend to agree with Ewawer that the recent additions have not been described by reliable sources as stemming from "Relations between Catholicism and Judaism". Discussion is needed here to arrive at consensus on which, if any, of these events should be listed here. Here come the Suns (talk) 17:49, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attacks in Israel 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Why do we have an article that covers most of a century of history, but not the long prior period? This comes across as an attempt at spin, to separate away the various shameful efforts of the Church toward Jews. It jumps from 380 to WWII... that's a huge and vital gap. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why this article? 

message: I agree with Nat Gertler in everything but his accusation of shamefulness. This glosses over the well developed and complex history between Jews and the Church for seemingly no reason and seems to be an attempt to present the church in a spirit of Vatican 2 light for seemingly no reason. Reform this Article please Magjozs (talk) 20:24, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article seems like propaganda