Talk:King asleep in mountain

message: The talk of extinction and conservation in this article seems totally erroneous and unrealted to any real legend.
: I agree.  The statements seem to have little or no connection to literary theory.  I've done some cleaning up and clarifying -- including a "references or sources" tag for the strange myth at the top of the page.  It appears to be a hybrid of the myth attributed to Frederick Barbarossa and some wild speculation and assumptions on the author's part.  This whole article could use a lot of real critical work done on it to improve the quality.  ~CS 21:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, specifically, since Ihcoyc removed the citation tag without addressing the problem:  The final paragraphs of the "General features" section appear to be quoting a specific text of the Frederick Barbarossa version of this motif.  But it is applying this text to speak generally about "King in the mountain" folktales.  As far as I can tell, most of the content of these paragraphs are not accurate when speaking about this type of legend generally.  I'm not knowledgable enough on the topic to fix it, but it either needs to be fixed & rewritten, eliminated, or sourced.  Until then the unsourced tag stays (unless you'd prefer a 'factual accuracy' tag.) ~CS 21:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is my understanding that the Barbarossa version is the most well known and typical version of the story, and the model for most others.  Perhaps all that is required for the time being is a note that it is in fact the Barbarossa version.  Smerdis of Tlön 03:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The motif combines the idea of a supernatural national defender with the concept of conservation.
I couldn't find any source for this statement, and the notion that the originators of this tale might have created it with any thought of conservation in a modern sense  seems so improbable that that I couldn't justify leaving it in. I've moved it here just in case someone can find a proper source for this assertion. —CKA3KA (Skazka) (talk) 18:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation problems 

message: Besides the 2001 novel listed and the movie Dark Prince: The True Story of Dracula (which leads one to question Thomas Baum's defintion of True) is there any other source that claims that Vlad III is waiting to return?
Yes, it is, the poem Scrisoarea a III-a (The Third Letter) by Romanian national poet Mihai Eminescu. In this poem, the author expresses his desire for the Voivode to return so that he would arrest all corrupt and/or otherwise detrimental people in Romania and divide them in 2 groups: "crazy people" and "traitors"; and afterwards to set fire to the prison and to the "nuthouse". Basically, Mihai Eminescu had the fault of being very passionate politically and he would have liked nothing less than seeing the politicians he despised (the Liberals; Eminescu sympathised with the Conservatives) impaled...
Now, there is and has always been the general hope or desire among the Romanian people for "Tepes" (the Impaler) to return and to end the never-ending ever-lasting and all-powerful corruption in Romania, preferrably bringing the corrupt politicians and officials to a gruesome end. Any Romanian toady will tell you this, it's a general feeling. However, people think of this more as of a metaphor, they all know that Tepes won't return in flesh since he's dead, but they'd like for another leader that would use his methods to come and end the stealing and the corruption. That's the basic idea. Now, since corruption was in Romania a central part of life and society since... well pretty much since the 15th-16th century, here's the explanation for this general feeling. Oh, one more thing... There's absolutely no legend or even remote hope that St. Steven the Great (Stefan cel Mare) would return. Stefan cel Mare is viewed more as a "Founding Father" figure.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.124.35.173 (talk) 08:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dracula?!

message: It's copied verbatim from Joseph Campbell's The Hero With a Thousand Faces —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.37.211 (talk • contribs) 
: Could you point out the specific lines that are the problem?  I'd like to see this fixed. ~CS 05:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we need to deal with this. This would be a SERIOUS copyright violoation, has it been fixed since December?  Goldenrowley 22:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Giant portion of article taken from The Hero With a Thousand Faces

message: The material from the article King under the Mountain, which is about an example of the motif discussed in King in the mountain, should be merged here.--ShelfSkewed Talk 05:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I wouldn't expect there to be much opposition to this, so go ahead. 69.143.43.170 (talk) 20:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  done--Lopakhin (talk) 18:03, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this should NOT have been done, and represents a conflation of mythological themes of which Professor Tolkien would have been ashamed. His Dwarven "King under the Mountain" is a royal title, and is not at all related to the Sleeping Hero motif. The names are similar; that is all. I've removed the overly-detailed Tolkien material. If King under the Mountain indeed deserves its own article -- and with The Hobbit film coming out, it may well draw enough interest for one -- it ought to be restored to what is now the redirect page. 192.91.147.34 (talk) 04:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

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message: Look, I like Tolkien as much as the next geek, but it says outright that the kings of Erebor have nothing to do with the subject of the article. It's nothing but fanboyism to add the ENTIRE LINE of "Kings Under the Mountain" here. I cut the whole Tolkien section, and moved the actually relevant part to the proper section. 192.91.147.34 (talk) 04:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tolkien 

message: Would Adolf Hitler hiding on the moon with his Nazis quality as this trope?  I’m pretty sure that almost nobody actually takes the theory seriously but it has entered our culture enough for many people to recognize it. Da Bomb76 (talk) 20:53, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moon Hitler 

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message: Would jesus' death, resurrection and second coming count?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:B613:C800:6C3C:72D8:2EC1:266F (talk) 18:32, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus 

message: So many of the entries are unsourced and may as well be plain speculation. I'm Spanish and I've never heard if a king under the mountain myth for Boabdil, Pelayo, and Rodrigo (at most, that the latter survived the battle and became a hermit in a mountain, not that he will come back one day from it). Menah the Great (talk) 13:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced entries