Talk:2007 Ukrainian parliamentary election/Archive 1

message: The below graph data has been updated to better reflect the naming convention and data presented in the main article. 
IT is Essential to take into consideration the participation rate in order to CALCULATE THE NOTIONAL SEAT ALLOCATION.  Some polls are expressed as a percentage of voters as opposed to "the percentage of the electorate". It is important that this distinction is made. Each poll needs to be analyzed further to make this important distinction.  This is done by ensuring that the information publish is adjusted to reflect a sum of 100% based on the known/unknown data
===Statistical progressive poll Graph including notional results - Seat allocation===
====Comments====
The polls are showing a swing towards the opposition with the election expected result still unclear. 
Note: The Notional seat Allocation is calculated on the basis of percentage of the voter participation rate the 3% percentage threshold is also calculated on the voter participation rate. Where the poll has indicated the estimated number that will not participate we have used that value in our notional seat allocation calculations where the information was not available we made an estimate based based on similar polls made at the time.  
In order to calculate the notional seat allocation it is important to ascertain the participation rate in order to make an adjustment to reflect the percentage of voters as opposed to adult population that makes up the electorate.  This is essential when a party/bloc polls is close to the 3% participation rate threshold quota (around 2.7% to 2.9% of the overall poll) as it is this value that is used to determine the number of parliamentary seats allocated to each party/bloc not the overall percentage as most polls report .
A lower participation rate increases the chances of a party that is above 2.5% and under 3% of the vote exceeding the participation rate threshold.
Most polls show that up to 22-30% of voters run the risk of being denied represented by a person/party of their choosing.  The introduction of preferential voting and local electorate would increase the level of representation from 70% over the participating voters to over 90%. IE voters who opt to support a minor candidate should have the option and right to determine in the event that their chosen candidate/party is not represented the candidate/party they prefer to in order of their preference to represent them.  Under the current system they are denied the right to chose who will represent them.
The table below includes the full set of relevant data available for each poll including tabulation reflecting 100% of the poll (Any discrepancies are highlighted in the Difference Column).It is a more accurate and concise refection of the published poll. Unlike the TAG:Odessa's preferred table published in the main article this table provides information on the percentage of voters who indicated they will vote for none of the main parties and who is undecided or who is supporting minor party candidates.  This information is of considerable value when candidates/parties/blocs are above 2.5% and below 3% in the poll as the likely distribution of the undecided and unknown votes along with the participation rate are required to determine the notional allocation of seats and the outcome of the poll overall. An example of this can be found in the latest poll by FROM-Ukraine July 28 and other pols where either the Lytvyn Party, Socialists or Natalia Vitrenko are indicated to win more then three percent. In the FOX poll the first analyse shows Lytvyn missing out but when the undecided vote is reallocated according to the polls statistics Lytvyn in fact is lifted to above 3% of the participation rate. Similar examples also apply in other cases. 
In addition there is a distinct difference between "Undecided", 'Unknown" and "None" which should also be presented. 
It may be worth relegating the progressive poll data to teh discussion pages once the party list registration is final (September 2-3) and public opinion polls begin to focus on the parties that have nominated (September 10). 
====Graphs====
 
====Progressive poll results tabulation====
Poll                                                       	Date                  	Source	PoR  	BYuT 	OU-PSD	OU-PSD	CPU 	LP  	SPU 	PSPU	Others	Undecided	None	Unknown	Diff 	Sum (Participation Rate)	Non Participants	Respondents	Margin of error
Poll                                                       	Date                  	Source	PoR  	BYuT 	OU    	PSD   	CPU 	LP  	SPU 	PSPU	Others	Undecided	None	Unknown	Diff 	Sum (Participation Rate)	Non Participants	Respondents	Margin of error
Monitoring Centre                                          	22-Aug-07 to 26-Aug-07	      	27.2%	26.8%	10.9% 	      	2.9%	1.3%	1.3%	2.2%	5.9%  	8.2%     	3.8%	       	     	90.5%                   	9.5%            	2,200      	2.1%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	9-Aug-07 to 19-Aug-07 	      	29.5%	18.3%	14.0% 	      	3.6%	2.1%	1.6%	0.9%	1.3%  	17.1%    	    	       	5.0% 	93.0%                   	7.0%            	2,000      	2.2%
SOCIS                                                      	02-Aug-07 to 14-Aug-07	      	31.0%	16.0%	9.0%  	4.0%  	3.0%	4.0%	1.0%	1.0%	      	17.0%    	2.0%	       	4.0% 	92.0%                   	8.0%            	1,200      	2.8%
Shevchenko Institute of Political and Sociological Analysis	14-Aug-07             	      	27.6%	26.5%	11.1% 	      	3.2%	1.4%	1.3%	2.3%	3.4%  	10.5%    	2.8%	       	     	90.1%                   	9.9%            	2,001      	2.2%
Sofia Social Studies                                       	27-Jul-07 to 07-Aug-07	      	32.1%	16.8%	14.9% 	      	4.0%	2.4%	2.0%	    	      	         	    	       	27.8%	100.0%                  	                	2,017      	2.2%
Monitoring Centre                                          	30-Jul-07 to 04-Aug-07	      	29.6%	26.0%	11.9% 	      	3.3%	1.6%	1.4%	1.9%	3.1%  	9.2%     	2.4%	       	     	90.4%                   	9.6%            	2,200      	2.1%
Socioizmerenie                                             	24-Jul-07 to 01-Aug-07	      	26.3 	21.4%	14.1% 	      	4.7%	2.8%	1.1%	0.7%	5.6%  	9.4%     	3.6%	       	     	89.7%                   	9.6%            	2,100      	2.3%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	18-Jul-07 to 28-Jul-07	      	30.2%	14.3%	15.1% 	      	5.0%	2.4%	1.1%	0.8%	1.7%  	17.1%    	    	       	     	87.7%                   	12.3%           	2,000      	2.2%
FOM-Ukraine *                                              	18-Jul-07 to 28-Jul-07	      	34.5%	18.2%	19.1% 	      	6.4%	4.6%	2.0%	1.2%	1.7%  	         	    	       	     	87.7%                   	12.3%           	           	2.2%
SOCIS                                                      	17-Jul-07 to 27-Jul-07	      	31.0%	17.5%	12.8% 	      	4.3%	2.1%	1.0%	1.2%	2.5%  	20.4%    	4.3%	       	2.9% 	100%                    	                	1,200      	2.8%
All Ukrainian Sociological Service                         	16-Jul-07 to 25-Jul-07	      	27.2%	19.3%	15.1% 	      	5.9%	3.8%	3.4%	2.9%	1.3%  	12.0%    	6.8%	2.4%   	     	100.0%                  	                	9,907      	1.0%
Shevchenko Institute of Political and Sociological Analysis	16-Jul-07 to 22-Jul-07	      	28.4%	25.5%	13.3% 	      	3.9%	1.5%	1.6%	1.8%	2.4%  	9.1%     	2.7%	       	     	90.2%                   	9.8%            	2,347      	2.3%
SOCIUM                                                     	15-Jul-07 to 22-Jul-07	      	41.4%	14.7%	11.8% 	4.5%  	7.5%	1.0%	0.7%	1.8%	      	         	    	1.0%   	     	93.4%                   	6.6%            	1,200      	2.8%
Social Perspective                                         	05-Jul-07 to 10-Jul-07	      	26.2%	23.1%	13.0% 	      	2.7%	    	1.4%	    	5.7%  	11.2%    	4.7%	       	     	88.0%                   	12.0%           	2,400      	
DIF/USSC                                                   	19-Jun-07 to 02-Jul-07	      	33.3%	16.9%	16.9% 	      	5.7%	1.6%	1.3%	1.2%	1.0%  	19.2%    	2.9%	       	     	100.0%                  	                	2,000      	2.2%
SOCIS                                                      	29-Jun-07 to 09-Jul-07	      	33.0%	17.0%	1.0%  	4.0%  	3.0%	2.0%	1.0%	1.0%	1.0%  	11.0%    	7.0%	       	2.0% 	92.0%                   	8.0%            	2,500      	
FOM-Ukraine                                                	20-Jun-07 to 30-Jun-07	      	31.0%	15.0%	11.5% 	2.8%  	4.1%	1.4%	1.7%	0.8%	0.7%  	17.0%    	5.4%	       	0.2% 	91.6%                   	7.4%            	2,000      	2.2%
Razumkov Centre                                            	before 26-Jun-07      	      	37.0%	21.5%	10.3% 	5.5%  	5.1%	    	    	    	      	         	    	       	20.6%	100.0%                  	                	10,956     	
FOM-Ukraine                                                	14-Jun-07 to 25-Jun-07	      	28.5%	20.3%	11.6% 	      	5.3%	2.8%	2.0%	    	5.9%  	         	    	16.3%  	     	92.7%                   	7.3%            	27,000     	0.6%
Gorshenin                                                  	01-Jun-07 to 14-Jun-07	      	27.4%	18.3%	11.0% 	4.5%  	4.1%	2.7%	2.9%	2.8%	      	         	    	       	19.0%	92.7%                   	7.3%            	1,200      	
Omnibus                                                    	before 14-Jun-07      	      	31.7%	17.8%	8.3%  	3.5%  	3.3%	0.9%	1.4%	2.7%	0.8%  	         	6.4%	11.2%  	     	88.0%                   	12.0%           	           	3.0%
Ukrainian Barometer                                        	19-May-07 to 28-May-07	      	34.0%	20.3%	11.0% 	4.8%  	3.9%	    	2.0%	2.7%	      	11.7%    	4.4%	       	5.2% 	100.0%                  	                	2,009      	2.5%
Sofia Social Studies                                       	12-May-07 to 20-May-07	      	35.6%	16.8%	9.0%  	3.6%  	4.6%	1.7%	2.8%	1.8%	1.4%  	7.1%     	4.6%	       	2.8% 	91.8%                   	8.2%            	2,015      	2.2%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	21-Apr-07 to 30-Apr-07	      	30.0%	17.0%	9.0%  	3.9%  	3.7%	1.2%	1.8%	0.8%	      	10.6%    	1.0%	       	2.10%	90.1%                   	9.9%            	2,000      	2.2%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	11-Apr-07 to 18-Apr-07	      	29.1%	15.5%	10.3% 	2.1%  	4.0%	1.4%	1.5%	1.5%	      	         	    	       	     	65.3%                   	                	2,000      	2.2%
Parliamentary Election                                     	                      	      	32.1%	22.3%	14.0% 	      	3.7%	2.4%	5.7%	2.9%	16.9% 	         	    	       	     	100.0%                  	                	25,352,380 	
Explanation of above table.  all information presented above is a tabulation of the published data.  The 'diff' column is information showing the variance/missing data in order to bring the publish results to 100% The 'Other' column is a tabulation of published results for all other parties not listed in the above table where there was an indication in the published results
In order to calculate the notional results of the survey you need to take into consideration the participation rate which effects those parties/blocs that are close to the 3% (2.5% to 2.9% range)participation threshold imposed by Ukraine's current electoral system.   This is the case in at least two polls where the outcome of a minor party is decided by the participation rate which in turn effects the number of seats allocated to the major parties.
UkraineToday 00:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progressive Poll Data and Other issues 

message: ====Comments====
The polls are showing a swing towards the opposition with the election expected result still unclear. 
Note: The Notional seat Allocation is calculated on the basis of percentage of the voter participation rate the 3% percentage threshold is also calculated on the voter participation rate. Where the poll has indicated the estimated number that will not participate we have used that value in our notional seat allocation calculations where the information was not available we made an estimate based based on similar polls made at the time.  
In order to calculate the notional seat allocation it is important to ascertain the participation rate in order to make an adjustment to reflect the percentage of voters as opposed to adult population that makes up the electorate.  This is essential when a party/bloc polls is close to the 3% participation rate threshold quota (around 2.7% to 2.9% of the overall poll) as it is this value that is used to determine the number of parliamentary seats allocated to each party/bloc not the overall percentage as most polls report .
A lower participation rate increases the chances of a party that is above 2.5% and under 3% of the vote exceeding the participation rate threshold.
Most polls show that up to 22-30% of voters run the risk of being denied represented by a person/party of their choosing.  The introduction of preferential voting and local electorate would increase the level of representation from 70% over the participating voters to over 90%. IE voters who opt to support a minor candidate should have the option and right to determine in the event that their chosen candidate/party is not represented the candidate/party they prefer to in order of their preference to represent them.  Under the current system they are denied the right to chose who will represent them.
The table below includes the full set of relevant data available for each poll including tabulation reflecting 100% of the poll (Any discrepancies are highlighted in the Difference Column).It is a more accurate and concise refection of the published poll. Unlike the TAG:Odessa's preferred table published in the main article this table provides information on the percentage of voters who indicated they will vote for none of the main parties and who is undecided or who is supporting minor party candidates.  This information is of considerable value when candidates/parties/blocs are above 2.5% and below 3% in the poll as the likely distribution of the undecided and unknown votes along with the participation rate are required to determine the notional allocation of seats and the outcome of the poll overall. An example of this can be found in the latest poll by FROM-Ukraine July 28 and other pols where either the Lytvyn Party, Socialists or Natalia Vitrenko are indicated to win more then three percent. In the FOX poll the first analyse shows Lytvyn missing out but when the undecided vote is reallocated according to the polls statistics Lytvyn in fact is lifted to above 3% of the participation rate. Similar examples also apply in other cases. 
In addition there is a distinct difference between "Undecided", 'Unknown" and "None" which should also be presented. 
It may be worth relegating the progressive poll data to teh discussion pages once the party list registration is final (September 2-3) and public opinion polls begin to focus on the parties that have nominated (September 10). 
====Graphs====
 
====Progressive poll results tabulation====
Poll                                                       	Date                  	Source	PoR  	BYuT 	OU-PSD	OU-PSD	CPU 	LP  	SPU 	PSPU	Others	Undecided	None	Unknown	Diff 	Sum (Participation Rate)	Non Participants	Respondents	Margin of error
Poll                                                       	Date                  	Source	PoR  	BYuT 	OU    	PSD   	CPU 	LP  	SPU 	PSPU	Others	Undecided	None	Unknown	Diff 	Sum (Participation Rate)	Non Participants	Respondents	Margin of error
Monitoring Centre                                          	22-Aug-07 to 26-Aug-07	      	27.2%	26.8%	10.9% 	      	2.9%	1.3%	1.3%	2.2%	5.9%  	8.2%     	3.8%	       	     	90.5%                   	9.5%            	2,200      	2.1%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	9-Aug-07 to 19-Aug-07 	      	29.5%	18.3%	14.0% 	      	3.6%	2.1%	1.6%	0.9%	1.3%  	17.1%    	    	       	5.0% 	93.0%                   	7.0%            	2,000      	2.2%
SOCIS                                                      	02-Aug-07 to 14-Aug-07	      	31.0%	16.0%	9.0%  	4.0%  	3.0%	4.0%	1.0%	1.0%	      	17.0%    	2.0%	       	4.0% 	92.0%                   	8.0%            	1,200      	2.8%
Shevchenko Institute of Political and Sociological Analysis	14-Aug-07             	      	27.6%	26.5%	11.1% 	      	3.2%	1.4%	1.3%	2.3%	3.4%  	10.5%    	2.8%	       	     	90.1%                   	9.9%            	2,001      	2.2%
Sofia Social Studies                                       	27-Jul-07 to 07-Aug-07	      	32.1%	16.8%	14.9% 	      	4.0%	2.4%	2.0%	    	      	         	    	       	27.8%	100.0%                  	                	2,017      	2.2%
Monitoring Centre                                          	30-Jul-07 to 04-Aug-07	      	29.6%	26.0%	11.9% 	      	3.3%	1.6%	1.4%	1.9%	3.1%  	9.2%     	2.4%	       	     	90.4%                   	9.6%            	2,200      	2.1%
Socioizmerenie                                             	24-Jul-07 to 01-Aug-07	      	26.3 	21.4%	14.1% 	      	4.7%	2.8%	1.1%	0.7%	5.6%  	9.4%     	3.6%	       	     	89.7%                   	9.6%            	2,100      	2.3%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	18-Jul-07 to 28-Jul-07	      	30.2%	14.3%	15.1% 	      	5.0%	2.4%	1.1%	0.8%	1.7%  	17.1%    	    	       	     	87.7%                   	12.3%           	2,000      	2.2%
FOM-Ukraine *                                              	18-Jul-07 to 28-Jul-07	      	34.5%	18.2%	19.1% 	      	6.4%	4.6%	2.0%	1.2%	1.7%  	         	    	       	     	87.7%                   	12.3%           	           	2.2%
SOCIS                                                      	17-Jul-07 to 27-Jul-07	      	31.0%	17.5%	12.8% 	      	4.3%	2.1%	1.0%	1.2%	2.5%  	20.4%    	4.3%	       	2.9% 	100%                    	                	1,200      	2.8%
All Ukrainian Sociological Service                         	16-Jul-07 to 25-Jul-07	      	27.2%	19.3%	15.1% 	      	5.9%	3.8%	3.4%	2.9%	1.3%  	12.0%    	6.8%	2.4%   	     	100.0%                  	                	9,907      	1.0%
Shevchenko Institute of Political and Sociological Analysis	16-Jul-07 to 22-Jul-07	      	28.4%	25.5%	13.3% 	      	3.9%	1.5%	1.6%	1.8%	2.4%  	9.1%     	2.7%	       	     	90.2%                   	9.8%            	2,347      	2.3%
SOCIUM                                                     	15-Jul-07 to 22-Jul-07	      	41.4%	14.7%	11.8% 	4.5%  	7.5%	1.0%	0.7%	1.8%	      	         	    	1.0%   	     	93.4%                   	6.6%            	1,200      	2.8%
Social Perspective                                         	05-Jul-07 to 10-Jul-07	      	26.2%	23.1%	13.0% 	      	2.7%	    	1.4%	    	5.7%  	11.2%    	4.7%	       	     	88.0%                   	12.0%           	2,400      	
DIF/USSC                                                   	19-Jun-07 to 02-Jul-07	      	33.3%	16.9%	16.9% 	      	5.7%	1.6%	1.3%	1.2%	1.0%  	19.2%    	2.9%	       	     	100.0%                  	                	2,000      	2.2%
SOCIS                                                      	29-Jun-07 to 09-Jul-07	      	33.0%	17.0%	1.0%  	4.0%  	3.0%	2.0%	1.0%	1.0%	1.0%  	11.0%    	7.0%	       	2.0% 	92.0%                   	8.0%            	2,500      	
FOM-Ukraine                                                	20-Jun-07 to 30-Jun-07	      	31.0%	15.0%	11.5% 	2.8%  	4.1%	1.4%	1.7%	0.8%	0.7%  	17.0%    	5.4%	       	0.2% 	91.6%                   	7.4%            	2,000      	2.2%
Razumkov Centre                                            	before 26-Jun-07      	      	37.0%	21.5%	10.3% 	5.5%  	5.1%	    	    	    	      	         	    	       	20.6%	100.0%                  	                	10,956     	
FOM-Ukraine                                                	14-Jun-07 to 25-Jun-07	      	28.5%	20.3%	11.6% 	      	5.3%	2.8%	2.0%	    	5.9%  	         	    	16.3%  	     	92.7%                   	7.3%            	27,000     	0.6%
Gorshenin                                                  	01-Jun-07 to 14-Jun-07	      	27.4%	18.3%	11.0% 	4.5%  	4.1%	2.7%	2.9%	2.8%	      	         	    	       	19.0%	92.7%                   	7.3%            	1,200      	
Omnibus                                                    	before 14-Jun-07      	      	31.7%	17.8%	8.3%  	3.5%  	3.3%	0.9%	1.4%	2.7%	0.8%  	         	6.4%	11.2%  	     	88.0%                   	12.0%           	           	3.0%
Ukrainian Barometer                                        	19-May-07 to 28-May-07	      	34.0%	20.3%	11.0% 	4.8%  	3.9%	    	2.0%	2.7%	      	11.7%    	4.4%	       	5.2% 	100.0%                  	                	2,009      	2.5%
Sofia Social Studies                                       	12-May-07 to 20-May-07	      	35.6%	16.8%	9.0%  	3.6%  	4.6%	1.7%	2.8%	1.8%	1.4%  	7.1%     	4.6%	       	2.8% 	91.8%                   	8.2%            	2,015      	2.2%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	21-Apr-07 to 30-Apr-07	      	30.0%	17.0%	9.0%  	3.9%  	3.7%	1.2%	1.8%	0.8%	      	10.6%    	1.0%	       	2.10%	90.1%                   	9.9%            	2,000      	2.2%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	11-Apr-07 to 18-Apr-07	      	29.1%	15.5%	10.3% 	2.1%  	4.0%	1.4%	1.5%	1.5%	      	         	    	       	     	65.3%                   	                	2,000      	2.2%
Parliamentary Election                                     	                      	      	32.1%	22.3%	14.0% 	      	3.7%	2.4%	5.7%	2.9%	16.9% 	         	    	       	     	100.0%                  	                	25,352,380 	
Explanation of above table.  all information presented above is a tabulation of the published data.  The 'diff' column is information showing the variance/missing data in order to bring the publish results to 100% The 'Other' column is a tabulation of published results for all other parties not listed in the above table where there was an indication in the published results
In order to calculate the notional results of the survey you need to take into consideration the participation rate which effects those parties/blocs that are close to the 3% (2.5% to 2.9% range)participation threshold imposed by Ukraine's current electoral system.   This is the case in at least two polls where the outcome of a minor party is decided by the participation rate which in turn effects the number of seats allocated to the major parties.
UkraineToday 00:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Statistical progressive poll Graph including notional results - Seat allocation

message: Poll                                                       	Date                  	Source	PoR  	BYuT 	OU-PSD	OU-PSD	CPU 	LP  	SPU 	PSPU	Others	Undecided	None	Unknown	Diff 	Sum (Participation Rate)	Non Participants	Respondents	Margin of error
Poll                                                       	Date                  	Source	PoR  	BYuT 	OU    	PSD   	CPU 	LP  	SPU 	PSPU	Others	Undecided	None	Unknown	Diff 	Sum (Participation Rate)	Non Participants	Respondents	Margin of error
Monitoring Centre                                          	22-Aug-07 to 26-Aug-07	      	27.2%	26.8%	10.9% 	      	2.9%	1.3%	1.3%	2.2%	5.9%  	8.2%     	3.8%	       	     	90.5%                   	9.5%            	2,200      	2.1%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	9-Aug-07 to 19-Aug-07 	      	29.5%	18.3%	14.0% 	      	3.6%	2.1%	1.6%	0.9%	1.3%  	17.1%    	    	       	5.0% 	93.0%                   	7.0%            	2,000      	2.2%
SOCIS                                                      	02-Aug-07 to 14-Aug-07	      	31.0%	16.0%	9.0%  	4.0%  	3.0%	4.0%	1.0%	1.0%	      	17.0%    	2.0%	       	4.0% 	92.0%                   	8.0%            	1,200      	2.8%
Shevchenko Institute of Political and Sociological Analysis	14-Aug-07             	      	27.6%	26.5%	11.1% 	      	3.2%	1.4%	1.3%	2.3%	3.4%  	10.5%    	2.8%	       	     	90.1%                   	9.9%            	2,001      	2.2%
Sofia Social Studies                                       	27-Jul-07 to 07-Aug-07	      	32.1%	16.8%	14.9% 	      	4.0%	2.4%	2.0%	    	      	         	    	       	27.8%	100.0%                  	                	2,017      	2.2%
Monitoring Centre                                          	30-Jul-07 to 04-Aug-07	      	29.6%	26.0%	11.9% 	      	3.3%	1.6%	1.4%	1.9%	3.1%  	9.2%     	2.4%	       	     	90.4%                   	9.6%            	2,200      	2.1%
Socioizmerenie                                             	24-Jul-07 to 01-Aug-07	      	26.3 	21.4%	14.1% 	      	4.7%	2.8%	1.1%	0.7%	5.6%  	9.4%     	3.6%	       	     	89.7%                   	9.6%            	2,100      	2.3%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	18-Jul-07 to 28-Jul-07	      	30.2%	14.3%	15.1% 	      	5.0%	2.4%	1.1%	0.8%	1.7%  	17.1%    	    	       	     	87.7%                   	12.3%           	2,000      	2.2%
FOM-Ukraine *                                              	18-Jul-07 to 28-Jul-07	      	34.5%	18.2%	19.1% 	      	6.4%	4.6%	2.0%	1.2%	1.7%  	         	    	       	     	87.7%                   	12.3%           	           	2.2%
SOCIS                                                      	17-Jul-07 to 27-Jul-07	      	31.0%	17.5%	12.8% 	      	4.3%	2.1%	1.0%	1.2%	2.5%  	20.4%    	4.3%	       	2.9% 	100%                    	                	1,200      	2.8%
All Ukrainian Sociological Service                         	16-Jul-07 to 25-Jul-07	      	27.2%	19.3%	15.1% 	      	5.9%	3.8%	3.4%	2.9%	1.3%  	12.0%    	6.8%	2.4%   	     	100.0%                  	                	9,907      	1.0%
Shevchenko Institute of Political and Sociological Analysis	16-Jul-07 to 22-Jul-07	      	28.4%	25.5%	13.3% 	      	3.9%	1.5%	1.6%	1.8%	2.4%  	9.1%     	2.7%	       	     	90.2%                   	9.8%            	2,347      	2.3%
SOCIUM                                                     	15-Jul-07 to 22-Jul-07	      	41.4%	14.7%	11.8% 	4.5%  	7.5%	1.0%	0.7%	1.8%	      	         	    	1.0%   	     	93.4%                   	6.6%            	1,200      	2.8%
Social Perspective                                         	05-Jul-07 to 10-Jul-07	      	26.2%	23.1%	13.0% 	      	2.7%	    	1.4%	    	5.7%  	11.2%    	4.7%	       	     	88.0%                   	12.0%           	2,400      	
DIF/USSC                                                   	19-Jun-07 to 02-Jul-07	      	33.3%	16.9%	16.9% 	      	5.7%	1.6%	1.3%	1.2%	1.0%  	19.2%    	2.9%	       	     	100.0%                  	                	2,000      	2.2%
SOCIS                                                      	29-Jun-07 to 09-Jul-07	      	33.0%	17.0%	1.0%  	4.0%  	3.0%	2.0%	1.0%	1.0%	1.0%  	11.0%    	7.0%	       	2.0% 	92.0%                   	8.0%            	2,500      	
FOM-Ukraine                                                	20-Jun-07 to 30-Jun-07	      	31.0%	15.0%	11.5% 	2.8%  	4.1%	1.4%	1.7%	0.8%	0.7%  	17.0%    	5.4%	       	0.2% 	91.6%                   	7.4%            	2,000      	2.2%
Razumkov Centre                                            	before 26-Jun-07      	      	37.0%	21.5%	10.3% 	5.5%  	5.1%	    	    	    	      	         	    	       	20.6%	100.0%                  	                	10,956     	
FOM-Ukraine                                                	14-Jun-07 to 25-Jun-07	      	28.5%	20.3%	11.6% 	      	5.3%	2.8%	2.0%	    	5.9%  	         	    	16.3%  	     	92.7%                   	7.3%            	27,000     	0.6%
Gorshenin                                                  	01-Jun-07 to 14-Jun-07	      	27.4%	18.3%	11.0% 	4.5%  	4.1%	2.7%	2.9%	2.8%	      	         	    	       	19.0%	92.7%                   	7.3%            	1,200      	
Omnibus                                                    	before 14-Jun-07      	      	31.7%	17.8%	8.3%  	3.5%  	3.3%	0.9%	1.4%	2.7%	0.8%  	         	6.4%	11.2%  	     	88.0%                   	12.0%           	           	3.0%
Ukrainian Barometer                                        	19-May-07 to 28-May-07	      	34.0%	20.3%	11.0% 	4.8%  	3.9%	    	2.0%	2.7%	      	11.7%    	4.4%	       	5.2% 	100.0%                  	                	2,009      	2.5%
Sofia Social Studies                                       	12-May-07 to 20-May-07	      	35.6%	16.8%	9.0%  	3.6%  	4.6%	1.7%	2.8%	1.8%	1.4%  	7.1%     	4.6%	       	2.8% 	91.8%                   	8.2%            	2,015      	2.2%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	21-Apr-07 to 30-Apr-07	      	30.0%	17.0%	9.0%  	3.9%  	3.7%	1.2%	1.8%	0.8%	      	10.6%    	1.0%	       	2.10%	90.1%                   	9.9%            	2,000      	2.2%
FOM-Ukraine                                                	11-Apr-07 to 18-Apr-07	      	29.1%	15.5%	10.3% 	2.1%  	4.0%	1.4%	1.5%	1.5%	      	         	    	       	     	65.3%                   	                	2,000      	2.2%
Parliamentary Election                                     	                      	      	32.1%	22.3%	14.0% 	      	3.7%	2.4%	5.7%	2.9%	16.9% 	         	    	       	     	100.0%                  	                	25,352,380 	
Explanation of above table.  all information presented above is a tabulation of the published data.  The 'diff' column is information showing the variance/missing data in order to bring the publish results to 100% The 'Other' column is a tabulation of published results for all other parties not listed in the above table where there was an indication in the published results
In order to calculate the notional results of the survey you need to take into consideration the participation rate which effects those parties/blocs that are close to the 3% (2.5% to 2.9% range)participation threshold imposed by Ukraine's current electoral system.   This is the case in at least two polls where the outcome of a minor party is decided by the participation rate which in turn effects the number of seats allocated to the major parties.
UkraineToday 00:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Progressive poll results tabulation

message: The Monitoring Center Poll dated 22-26 August shows a 2.3% will vote for the KUCHMA party.
September 2 will be the finalisation of the ballot list.  It is expected that polls from this date will begin to better reflect the electorates opinion as they focus on the election itself.
UkraineToday 09:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: * At first - there is no needs to include both Participation and Nonparticipation rates. One is sufficient, second can be calculated by 100-X formula ;-)
* At second - Participation rate has no any effect on seat allocation. Those are proportional to % taken by parties with over 3%. --TAG 21:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Participation rate on election polls 

message: List of first 10 contributions Note the time...  Take a look at the text of the edits made ...  
Note the vandalism and added comments in the middle of teh citation and quotation of statements made by representatives of PACE in their report on Ukraine.   This most certainly is not the act of someone acting in good faith.
 
* 22:35, August 31, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007‎
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* 20:53, August 31, 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007‎ 
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* 19:48, August 31, 2007 (hist) (diff) Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007‎ 
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* 19:37, August 31, 2007 (hist) (diff) Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007‎
UkraineToday(U|E) 21:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sockpuppert User responsible for the vandalising of Wikipeda pages on Ukrainian Election 

message: This person registered this account in order to deliberately set out to vandalise the content of Wikipedia article and also encouraged others to take similar action. They registered the account using the username of another person not their own as a means seeking to falsely place blame on someone else and also as a means of vilification, harassment and an attempt to avoid detection.
The user has been identified and their details recorded and logged.  Report and complaint lodged.  UkraineToday(U|E) 21:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Person responsible has been identified following further investigation

message: I request that either edit right are restored to the main article in order that missing and misleading information can be reinstated or that the topic "political crisis" whixch is misisng facts and relevant information be removed and link to 
 be inserted.  You either provide a full open account of the political crisis to which the details of the constitutional Court challenge is most certainly relevant as it highlights issue related to the authority of the president to dismiss Ukraine's democratically elected parliament. UkraineToday(U|E) 19:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article was just recently protected, and the protection will expire within a few days. Please wait until then; this isn't an edit requiring immediate admin intervention. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request 

message: Information published on Wikipedia removed in overnight raid by supporters of the president.  An act of censorship..  What they do not want published...
Accusation of political BIAS is aimed at User Tag:Odessa and others .  WHY have you removed the section on the Constitutional Court Challenge the other information that is relevant to the election. This most certainly is relevant to the discussions,.  are you seeking to censor the content...   
The public is being denied the relevant information pertaining to the legality of the elections which are currently before the courts. 
This information should be known and included in the main article.  It was removed by certain users who are active supporters of the president's campaign and they are seeking to remove from the public eye information that is not to their liking or critical of the actions of the president.  
All information contained in the Constitutional Court section is backed by citation and references and conforms to Wikipedia's policy that is unless wikipedia has a policy of bias exclusion of information. UkraineToday 00:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutional Court challenge 

message: The article is getting very, very big and avoids being as straightforward as it should be. I'll give anybody who's concerned with this a few days to clean up; if nobody takes care of this, I will clean up the article myself. — Alex(U|C|E) 02:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I suggest you outline in more detail your concerns before you seek to "remove information that is relevant to the election". This is an election and I expect the content to grow unless they cancel the election on Tuesday. I am hoping to work on the discussion pages more and add more information to the main article on the weekend following the finalisation of the ballot registration on September 2.  I think the progressive poll data could be archived to the discussion pages after a few polls have been published following the close of the ballot in one week. Remeber thishas been a six month campiagn.  I hope to clean up the discussion pages also over the weekend.UkraineToday 10:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

text: As soon as the article protection expires, go ahead and fix it up. You know better what you're talking about than I do. :-) — Alex Khristov 23:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, not a problem.  I also noticed that the links to the various poitical parties point to Ukrainian language sites (except for Party of Regions), whereas they all have English language versions.  Next question is how to prevent repeats of vandalization.  I can help with clean-up and provide accurately sourced information relevant to the scope of the article.  But dealing with ongoing vandalism is another matter.  It's beyond the scope of my access, as I'm not an admin.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hivedrone101 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Using fake user ids as apart of a campaign of deliberate vandalism of Wikipedia pages. They have registered and logon to Wikipedia with deliberate malicious intent. The users have been identified and are directly associate with the editors who have sought to remove Wikipedia publications that are critical or reflect poorly on the President of Ukraine. These articles are factual and backed up by citations and references.  They are a historical record of recent events.  User Alex, Dima and tag:Odessa  continue to seek to censor this factual information aided and abetted by identified sockpuppets who they seek to protect. Problem is they have been caught out. UkraineToday 14:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia article have been the subject of attack by supporters of the president 

message: Before I lose the link, here it is: http://www.exitpoll.org.ua/ — Alex Khristov 05:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exit poll 

message: What are the numbers in parentheses next to the titles of the parties? -- Magioladitis 10:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: THose numbers represent the number of candidates the said party put forth to get into the Verkhovna Rada. —dima/talk/ 20:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Registered parties and blocs 

message: Is there a place in this article for the international response, specifically Russia's threats?  Ostap 02:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I Think yes. Someone already should wright the introductionary paragraphs about the results and then the international reaction to the result. Can you add a paragraph about Russia's reaction with a good reference? For example here it is a good link written by Guardian Unlimited. -- Magioladitis 02:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now gas supplies to Germany are going to be affected. Axxn 02:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, this should defenitly be included within the article. —dima/talk/ 02:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a section. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You contradict even with your source. It says: "threatened to reduce gas supplies", while you say: "threatened to cut off natural gas supplies". There is difference between reducing and cutting off. Also "The Guardian" isn't suggesting — it speculates, I'm not sure if wikipedia is a good place to spread russophobic statements. —Phill  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 09:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  International response 

message: Should the article include discussion of the possible coalitions resulting from this election?  Most sources expect a new orange coalition, but that hasn't been officially confirmed.  BBC News and the New York Times are both saying that a coalition of the Tymoshenko and Our Ukraine blocs is most likely, but that a pro-Yanukovich coalition or a hung parliament aren't impossible.  Should we present that analysis, or just wait for the official result? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should wait. — Alex Khristov 05:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible coalitions? 

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Maybe the Ukrainians voted to split the country? How about a "Donetsk Republic" along the "Proper Ukraine". ;) --Camptown 08:36, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well an East-West divide in Ukrainian Politics is what we really need. --Kuban Cossack 15:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the divide will eventually disappear, so there's no real need for the article. — Alex Khristov 19:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

text: That article would probably just turn into another gallery of images of the vandalized Russian culture center in Lviv. I wouldn't think an article on a divide that is lessening would be necessary, but I am not a valid source either. Ostap 04:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, with such articles much depends on having them started off the right foot. The east-west vector in Ukraine is very important and there are many studies of the issue. However, such article has to be started in a very careful and dispassionate way by a user who would devote much time to start with a decent at least 7-10 careful paragraphs to not repeat the flurry of two paragraphs "Soviet occupation of THIS and THAT" that popped up, deleted, resurrected, deleted and tagged lately. --Irpen 04:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split? 

message: The following map is more detailed than the one in the article, both in terms of presented geographic units, and in terms of representing the percentage of support for the leading party:   --Greger 07:15, 7 November 2007
:Yes probably, but we don't know the copyright status. -- Magioladitis 09:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The proposal is to create a similar map based on the same official data. Greggerr (talk) 08:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: I have removed, following Ostap R's example, a section inserted concerning the Constitutional Court and the PACE commentary.  Ostap R removed it on the grounds that it is already covered in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ukrainian_political_crisis, in which the same section already exists.
It is relevant to note that that user 193.243.156.214, who inserted the section here and reinstated it after Ostap R removed it, is also engaged in a revert war concerning his inclusion of an additional pointer to the corresponding section within http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ukrainian_political_crisis, and is the subject of a sockpuppet case alleging that 193.243.156.214 is a sockpuppet of UkraineToday, who inserted the Constitutional Court / PACE commentary section in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ukrainian_political_crisis.  UkraineToday is the subject of an indefinite ban and it seems clear that he is using 193.243.156.214 to evade the ban and to continue to push his particular POV.  The POV itself is heavily biassed, because it is largely non-sequital and most of it serves to create a context in which he can present the President's dismissal of Constitutional Court judge Syuzanna Stanik as intereference, without making any mention of the fact that Syuzanna Stanik was dismissed amid accusations, still under investigation, of receiving a USD12M bribe via her mother.Timberframe (talk) 18:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This paragraph that is being inserted is already in the other article and does not belong here. Ostap 19:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutional Court and PACE commentary 

message: could someone already put down that Tymoshenko was elected a prime minister, and Yatsenuk a speaker?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.50.104 (talk) 00:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And in which of your multiple ban-evading personas (see sockpuppet cases at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/UkraineToday_%284th%29) did you try to mention that Tymoshenko was elected a prime minister, and Yatsenuk a speaker? The article's history shows that your only contributions to the article under the name ElectAnalysis were in connection with graphical representation of the polls.  Please link to the diff which proves that you did try to add this.Timberframe (talk) 16:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated article 

message: I do agree that the "Russian response" section in this article is not neutral point of view!
But can we discuss this here first before we constantly remove the other ones edits. The election was months ago, constantly rewriting this page is not gonna change the outcome of it... so get over it!!! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For me being not from Ukraine it is hard to tell where the regions indicated at your new charts are... This is an English wikipedian page and most reader do not understand Ukrainian alphabet... Your charts don't show if the regions indicated are close to Rusia/Rusian spoken.  By constantly removing the "second place map" (where a get a better idea what language they speak in the regions) I get the idea that you have a problem that some Russian speaking voters vote for Byut and that you want to hide the fact (by making charts unreadable for most of us) that some Russian Ukrainians vote different then Russians in the Russian Federation (Byut being more pro EU then pro-Russian). And because some Russian speaking voters vote for Byut they don't see there future with Russia but with EU. And I get the feeling you have a problem with that. I am just guessing, but I can think of no other reason why somebody wants to remove "the second place map".... (althoug percentages on that map should be corrected) Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop this edit war 

message: The "Political crisis" section in the article, which I have deleted, was an almost verbatim duplicate of the corresponding section in 2007_Ukrainian_political_crisis but the two versions were beginning to diverge as editors improved one or the other.  The Political Crisis is, of course the setting for the election, so it's right and proper in my opinion to have it linked from the election article, but retaining two versions of it seems like an unnecessary duplication and burden on editors who have to maintain not one but two versions of it.  I've retained the link to the main article in the introduction, and this seems to be not only all that is needed but also the way in which wiki is intended to be structured.  Prior to deleting the section from the election article I copied recent additions across to the main associated article so that no content has been lost.  I'm not sure why the whole article also appears on this talk page as well, especially since it was posted without any reference to it or discussion of it.  It will inevitably become out of date as the main article is revised from time to time; I suggest deleting it from here - any comments? -- Timberframe (talk) 11:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political crisis 

message: Just because The Guardian speculated that this threat was a signal of Russia's displeasure at the prospect of a new government headed by Yulia Tymoshenko doesn't make it true! It should also be said that Gazprom denies that just like it does in the Russia-Ukraine gas dispute article (I put it in the Russia-Ukraine gas dispute myself, why doesn't that surprise me...). Besides I remember some comments from the Russian Government who congratulated Ukraine with it's election... Why is that not mentioned there...
I wouldn't mind making the chances, but would like to hear other opinions first (unlike some Wikipedians...) Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly believe that the way the section is written is seriously violating NPOV. Maybe we can omit it. I making the following thoughts: Do you have to mention the responses of all the governments? I assume that many governments sent a typical "congratulations" telegram of something like this. I think the answer to my question is "no". Second question: Is the Russian response more important than the others? I presume yes. But.. is it important enough to have a separate section? Are we going to write something different than hasn't already included in the Russia-Ukraine gas dispute or elsewhere? Well.. I am not sure. My conclusion is that if we don't completely delete the paragraph, because you (and I am referring to people knowing the situation better) think Russian's response is mention worthy , then we have to shorten it and avoid referring Gazprom and all these stuff. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, I requested semi-protection. Let's see how it goes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi-protection seems to be a good idea :), your points make a lot of sense. But I'm not sure how to rewrite it yet... And I am not sure what Gazprom would have done if the election outcome was a lot less Orange, The Guardian might be right, on the other hands the debts where real.... and Gazprom was right to ask to get paid... I think the part about Gazprom should stay but that there explanations for asking there money back should be given. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly, we have to avoid speculations ("would have done if..."). That's the point. I think Gazprom did, what it would have done in every case to defend its rights. The sentence itself, as written, contains speculation: "The Guardian speculated that this threat was a signal of Russia's displeasure". This is ok for a newspaper but not for an encyclopedia. If we have an official expression of Russian displeasure for the result we can add it, but the connection with Gazprom is NPOV stretching. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Please don't use this kind of expressions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Don't forget to sign your posts!!! Check your talk page for some friendly advice. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: From now on if a contributor doesn't follow the rules of the Talk page I'll revert their edits. This is becoming unreadable. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Russian response" section needs rewriting! 

message: There is a good compare section with data on regions and  a comparisment with the 2006 election at the Результаты по регионам section [Результаты по регионам] (and furder) at the Russian version of this article. Would it be a good idea to translate that (parts) and put it on the English version page? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The map there is not readable (far too busy), but the table with the results, organized not in one big alphabetical mash, but by Region, that's a good table that I think we should take. Lot's of data, readable, obscures neither big picture nor details. Jd2718 (talk) 18:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translate parts of the Russian version of this article (?) 

message: center|600px|Highest party vote per region - percetage based on total national vote.
 
Should this map be used in the article? I'm not even sure what it means... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image:Ukrainian parliamentary election 2007 (HighestVote).PNG 

message: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Election+Vote+Swing+site%3Aen.wikipedia.org&btnG=Search
A swing analysis is common in any election.  It shows the change in voter percentage for each party by regions from 2006 to 2007.
If you take a look at the graphs above you will see that it provides much more information the the flawed second place highest vote map published Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007. The published map only shows the geographical relationship of voter support.  It does not show the full strength or relationship between each of the parties. What is more relevant geographical distorted distribution or the relationship of each party's support.   
Most interesting in that the Swing graph shows the relationship between each of the parties of each region ad teh change of voters support from 2006 to 2007.  The maps do not provide this information, most notable the loss of support for Our Ukraine. (Which could explain why some people here are pushing not to publish this information)
You need to ask yourself what is the aim of wikipeaida and is this information valuable and does it convey information not provided else where i the publication.  The answer is YES.  Is there ay justofactio to not publish this information.  The answer is NO.  By not publishing this information we are providing false and misleading statical information 0Most notably the second place winner per region map) 
The above graph/charts shows the relationship between both the geographical region and all parties be it not published as a map. One user tries to claim that the data presented is "original research"  There is no more original research in presenting the swing and voter percentage the looking up the values on the official published election results,  Which presumable is what the person who created the statistical flawed distribution map has done. I see no debate or complaint by the person who engaged in the undeclared "edit war" applying the same logic to the original publication.  
Further more the publication of the swing chart is very much a valuable resource in that it shows, at a quick glance, the change in voter sentiment both overall and per region. Just because he/she is not capable of reading a simple graph does not mean others have such difficultly.  Swing charts are very common electoral analytical tools ad are also published by Wikipedia i relation to other elections. Why not Ukraine? Maybe it is a case of some editors seeking too much ownership and not respecting their wishes and opposing views of others. Maybe it is just plain political bias.   Either way it does not serve Wikipedia well. You sought it out in the mean time we will arrange to have this information published on anti-wikipedia.com
: Please read here for information on how government funded vote counting system was generating maps for all 1st, 2nd and even 3rd places. Per Wikipedia:Verifiability this make it legal to include in Wikipedia unless strong reasoning will be provided to not do so. Even more charts proposed by you has problem - % in region does not play huge role in elections results, it's number of people who voted in district that matter. IMGO, this justify removal of your charts and inclusion of maps. --TAG (talk) 04:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  User Tag Odessa comments that the percentage pf votes does not play a huge rile i teh elections is  false. It is the percentage of the vote that 1. determines the thresh hold (3%) 2. The number of positions election to each party. The swig analysis is as stated based o the published data by the Ukrainian Electoral Commission. It is a common ad well established means of recording ad displaying change in voter support.  The publication of second place maps as indicated has no statistical mrit what so ever.  if the maps where published by the electoral authority the why is there no link accreditation or citation attached to them?  The swing chart also shows the full extent of all teh top six parties in relation to each other. User TAG:Odessa is seeking to prevent this valid ad significant information form being published for other alteria motoves not made clear in his comments. If you look at other election reports on wikipedia you will find similar swing analysis charts. Why are they not acceptable for Ukraine.  This is not your private blog or a extension of the Maidanua.com.ua web site.
I think the table showing the votes by oblast (strictly not region) in the 2006 and 2007 elections would be accessible and meaningful to a wider readership if (1) the oblast names were given consistently in English (Latin transliteration rather than Cyrillic - at present there's a mixture) and (2) it were supported by a map showing the location of the oblasts such as 
for the benefit of readers who aren't familiar with Ukrainian oblasts.  I'm willing to do that if others agree this would be a good move. -- Timberframe (talk) 12:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swing analysis 

message: center|Party of Regions  results (34.37%)        	center|Bloc Yulia Tymoshenko results (30.71%	center|Our Ukraine People's Self-Defence results (14.15%)
center|Communist Party of Ukraine results (5.39%)	center|Bloc Lytvyn Party results (3.96%)    	center|Socialist Party of Ukraine results (2.86%)
center|Party of Regions  results (34.37%)        	center|Bloc Yulia Tymoshenko results (30.71%	center|Our Ukraine People's Self-Defence results (14.15%)
center|Communist Party of Ukraine results (5.39%)	center|Bloc Lytvyn Party results (3.96%)    	center|Socialist Party of Ukraine results (2.86%)
I hope you find these maps to be to your liking.  Personally In prefer to base the grading on the percentage of total national vote as it removes one layer of distortion in comparison.
::I like it.  The maps are clear, relevant and intuitively understandable.  They manage to convey both the geographic distribution of each party's support and (by comparing the maps with each other)the contribution of each region to the national outcome.  Well done.  I would nominate this set of maps as the standard for depicting proportional represntation outcomes worldwide. -- Timberframe (talk) 11:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, well, that's history and politics for you.  The fact is that between 2004 and 2006 the Orange movement gained substantial support and with Moroz's Socialist party on the Orange bandwaggon throughout the 2006 election campaign won a majority of seats in the VR.  Moroz could have chosen to support PoR from the outset and the PoR-led coalition would have won fair and square.  Instead, he betrayed his supporters by changing sides after the election, and produced a balance of power which did not reflect the will of the electorate.  If the ends justify the means, that justifies the president's decision to refer the matter back to the highest authority in the land - the people.  And sure enough, Moroz's former supporters duly punished him in the 2007 elections and sufficient of them transferred their support to other Orange parties to re-confirm the intention they had tried to express in 2006.  That's not pro-orange or pro-presidential, it's pro-democracy.  As you might say in capitals: LET THE PEOPLE SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. -- Timberframe (talk) 11:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated graphs based o percentage of total national vote 

message: If been away for a couple of days because this article was costing me too much time...
I was hoping things would have setteled itselfs and I must say the article now looks pretty OK now....
But I got the feeling that not everybody thinks so. can they please 
: 1 point
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:3 point tell us what improvments they sugest and please do not argue about political thingys from the past here. Improve the article is your task now! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mariah-Yulia, you are welcome to edit article. But UkraineToday is banned and not allowed to contribute to Wikipedia per Wikipedia:Banning policy#Dealings with banned users. Ban is per person - not account. All his new accounts will be banned and edits reverted. --TAG (talk) 01:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think banning users is Putinesq, at least he got things moving. But his style is wrong. It would be a lot better for all if UkraineToday would be more like User:Kuban kazak‎. I will make sure he doesn't replace Orange propaganda with anti-Yuchenko propaganda! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It your own opinion and I accept it. But rules were not invented by me. --TAG (talk) 22:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where do we go now....... 

message: Vote Percentage by Electoral Region	Vote Percentage by Electoral Region	Swing by Electoral Regions
I think there unreadable (Cyrilic and I never now where the bars belong too) and don't give much new information. I prefer wikitable's Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do not think they are unreadable (maybe user Mariah-Yulia is not use to reading charts) they show clearly the relationship between each party and region. They complement the maps and tables, filling in the missing gaps and information. What needs to be noted in the above charts is the differece in preseting iformatyio based on the percetage of the total national vote versus the percetage of each regions. The natioal vote being more accurate and informative the publciation by regional vote as it takes into consideration the distribution of the population.DemocracyWorks (talk) 07:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't know what to do with these..... (charts) 

message: I propose deleting the following chapters:
:5 Exit polls polls where correct, so why should we remind people of them
:6 Election time line Wikipidia isn't a course on how to conduct ellection, atleast not in this article
:7 Registered parties and blocs all partys got votes so are already in the election results table
Mariah-Yulia (talk) 01:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Plan seems good - espesially taking in account that you implemented it. It's good to Be bold in editing. But please take care on details. For example there 3 numbers for voters turnout - 62.7%, 63.22%, 62.02% --TAG (talk) 01:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks I missed that! Hmmm at the CEC [] site the mention 57,94 %  activity whas that the real voters turnout? User:Greggerr was Be bold in editing in placed the 3 chapters back in. Claiming consensus about keeping exit polls, while me and some other users had consensus about a week ago to remove them. That's why I'm not sure about being Be bold in editing......... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 01:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that the exit polls have provided a valuable check on the credibility of the offical results, and that credibility / corruption has been an issue to varying extents in all the elections since 2004 if not earlier.  However, as it is a long term issue affecting several elections I think the detailed analysis belongs in Elections in Ukraine; for this article we should just mention the significant fact that the exit polls generally agreed with the official results. -- Timberframe (talk) 13:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Greggerr has a good point, I agree.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timberframe (talk • contribs) 13:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree too and moved the table to there! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 20:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  delete? 

message: There was no defection as suggested. The comment about defection fails the NPOV test. Under Ukraine's constitution an elected member of parliament can not change party membership but there is nothing preventing members of parliament form indicating support for the governing coalition. The possibility of the governing coalition obtaining a constitutional majority is speculative partisan politics. A change i a members status or alleged breaches of the constitution are not grounds listed in Ukraine's constitution for the dismissal of Ukraine's parliament (article 90). If a member of parliament resigns form their original party they lose the right to remain a member of parliament. In any aledged breach of the Consitution there is a proper process that can and should have been followed. The president could have made an application to the admistrative courts and or Constitutional Courts to have the indiviual membership of parliamet suspeded pending a legal challege. A member of paraalimet who techically breahed requirements for membership has 20 days in which to bring his membership into line with the provisions of Ukraine's constituution failing that their entitlement to remain a member of parliament ceases. 
The Constitutional Court has not ruled on the legality and constitutionality of the president's decree following the president's intevention in the opperation of the court. The Ukrainian Courts ruled that the president's dissmissal of members of the Constitutional Court to be illegal and one of the three judges dismissed was reinstated by an order of the court. The other two judges resigned. The Court was expected to bring down its ruling in May.  DemocracyWorks (talk) 07:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Political Crisis

message: :Is it a good idea to dump the folowing chapters too Elections in Ukraine?
:: Exit polls
:: Election time line
:: Registered parties and blocs
:Also the same chapters of the Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2006 move to there? There is no mentioning of exit polls in the Ukrainian presidential election, 2004.... If there was something wrong with it (I can't tell) it shouldn't be there... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 20:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm for keeping those too. Elections in Ukraine suppose to provide more general information, while the details should be kept here. --Greggerr (talk) 23:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: 2008 Ukrainian political crisis would be the place for this. PS 6 people is a "the mass resignation"? PS 2 How's the weather in Donesk? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Todate 7 have resigned (10%)with more expected. Maybe you have not read the various informed commentary on events unfolding.  Try the Jamestown.  A US think tanks organistaion desinged to destabelise this region, YUSHCHENKO LOOKS TO GRAND COALITION TO REPLACE TYMOSHENKO By Taras Kuzio.  http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2372866 ad foriegnotes...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurtdaydo (talk • contribs) 04:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Elections in Ukraine]] 

message: Members of the president's political party Our Ukraine have resigned their mandate i order to set up a new political party.  the mass resignation indicates serious rift in the new  governing coalition and a loss of confidence in Yulia Tymoshchenko's and Yushchenko's leadership.  the members that have recently withdrawn from our Ukraine are the same members who were the cause for the collapse of the orange coalition in 2006. It is expected that the President may soon call for early Presidential elections ad once they are out of the way ad Ukraine has undertaken further constitutional reform and Ukraine reverts back to a Presidential Autocracy Yulia Tymoshenko;s government will be dismissed once again by the president. Fresh elections are expected to be held later this year. Ukraine is now more political unstable then it was prior to the president's unconstitutional dismissal of the parliament last year.
: 2008 Ukrainian political crisis would be the place for this. PS 6 people is a "the mass resignation"? PS 2 How's the weather in Donesk? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Todate 7 have resigned (10%)with more expected. Maybe you have not read the various informed commentary on events unfolding.  Try the Jamestown.  A US think tanks organistaion desinged to destabelise this region, YUSHCHENKO LOOKS TO GRAND COALITION TO REPLACE TYMOSHENKO By Taras Kuzio.  http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2372866 ad foriegnotes...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurtdaydo (talk • contribs) 04:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Parliamentary Elections expected soon as members of President's party resign on mass to start new party