Talk:Dayak people

message: I deleted "spiritually weak" as it is very POV --Tamas 10:57, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: earlier comment

message: The article says dayak means 'upstream'. While this might be true, I know the word 'dahulu' for upstream. Are these terms maybe mixed up?
:It is already explained by someone right below. "Dahulu" means "in the past time". Maybe u mixed it up with "hulu", no worries ;) Matahari Pagi 08:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dayak

message: I've never heard of cannibalism in Borneo. So I changed that. Correct me if I'm wrong (though I doubt it). DirkvdM 11:54, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: ...the Iban arrived in western Sarawak from Indonesia about 1675. Indonesia is a bit vague, it didn't exist yet in 1675, and if it is meant to refer to present-day Indonesiam then that is also confusing that most of Borneo is Indonesian now. Can this be made more specific? DirkvdM 11:54, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Indonesia

message: The history section is almost entirely on Sea Dayaks, most notably Iban. This makes sense given their recorded history, but it looks very much out of balance. So I've moved most of this to the Iban article. Also, are they realy Dayaks? They live on the same island (but so do the Punan), but have a different origin. I also get the impression that much of what is said about Dayaks is really about Ibans (eg names like 'bilek' and 'Simpualang Gana'). DirkvdM 11:54, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.. from what I know, the term "Dayak" is used to refer a group of ethnicities in Kalimantan (or Borneo if you prefer so) including: Punan, Iban, and Ot Danum  and their respective sub-ethnicities. Example: group=Dayak, ethnicity=Iban, sub-ethnicities= Mualang and Bidayuh (West Kalimantan). Ot Danum has a lot of sub ethnicities (and sub-sub-ethnicities) including= Ngaju, Benuaq, Maanyan, Limbai, etc. Matahari Pagi 08:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sea Dayaks

message: I've reverted this rewrite of the article, for two reasons. 1) It removed substantial, well-formatted information, and was incorrectly formatted. 2) While the existing article wasn't great, the rewrite was egregiously written from, frankly, the point-of-view of a a nineteenth-century amateur anthropologist; surely the only two features of the Dayaks worth mentioning aren't their earlobes and filed teeth!  Anyway, I'm noting this revert here, with the link above to what I removed, because there might be a little content in there worth merging in, though I didn't immediately see anything that's an improvement over what we already have. CDC (talk) 15:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not surprisingly, it's a copyvio of an unsourced page on a freebie website ; not sure why I didn't check that before... CDC (talk) 15:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmm.. from what I know, the term "Dayak" is used to refer a group of ethnicities including: Punan, Iban, and Ot Danum  and their respective sub-ethnicities. Example: group=Dayak, ethnicity=Iban, sub-ethnicities= Mualang and Bidayuh (West Kalimantan). Ot Danum has a lot of sub ethnicities (and sub-sub-ethnicities) including= Ngaju, Benuaq, Maanyan, Limbai, etc. Matahari Pagi 08:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted rewrite 

message: In 2001 the Indonesian government ended the colonisation of Kalimantan that began under Dutch rule in 1905. As an Indonesia, I can say this is wrong. Colonisation at Kalimantan ended at 1945 when Indonesia declare its independency not at 2001.
:Colonisation means something like 'opening up new territories'. This does not just refer to the Dutch colonisation in the Dutch Indies. For example, in what is now the Netherlands there was also a colonisation of the eastern regions, except much earlier (middle ages). And within Indonesia there was the colonisation of Borneo from Java and Madura, known as 'transmigrasi'. DirkvdM 17:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I resent that. I'm from Kalimantan. The formation of the Indonesian state was not based on colonisation. Basically, we have a common interest to break free from the western colonization and we formed a unitary state. The current provinces of Kalimantan comprised of kingdoms and federations which agreed to become one province under Indonesia. Matahari Pagi 07:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Please, in the matter of Kalimantan, especially South Kalimantan, ask me. South Kalimantan Province was formed by Kotawaringin, Dayak Besar, Banjar Territory and Federation of South East Kalimantan. Later on, Kotawaringin and Dayak Besar formed a new Province of Central Kalimantan. South Kalimantan remained a Banjarese-majority province and the new province have their chance to paint their own province with more Dayak colors. Of course, there are a lot of Banjarese in Central Kalimantan and there are a lot of Dayaks in South Kalimantan too. We live in harmony. The only problem the Dayaks have is with Madurese, by transmigration.Matahari Pagi 10:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Colonisation?

message: Made small edit to distinguish indigenous historiocal accounts from colonial histories.--campdog 07:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can always refer the readers to Malay(race) and Malay(Ethnicity) to explain the difference.Matahari Pagi 08:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Cleaned up into section to Agriculture.  I didn't make much sense before.--campdog 07:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agriculture 

message: Deleted "furtively introduced" too POV.--campdog 07:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: There was no Indonesian state in the late 19th century.  Dutch Colonial state would be better.--campdog 08:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics 

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thread_title:  Citation is needed 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:11, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: First of all, it appears that "Dayak" is an umbrella term to include all those ethnic groups mentioned in "Related ethnic groups" and throughout the article. So basically Dayaks are all people indigenous to Borneo? Is this correct? If its correct, secondly, in the article it says that there are between 2 to 4 million Dayaks. The population of Borneo is 16 million. From my own calculation, by including all the ethnic groups stated under "Related ethnic groups", I found that there are 2.1 million Dayaks in East Malaysia alone. I think the number in the article is inaccurate. kawaputratorque 17:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: "Christianity was introduced by European missionaries in Borneo and may have been a deliberate policy by the colonial authorities to create a social bulwark against the spread of Islam."
I deleted this, perhaps someone should add something more about European missionaries, but to suggest that missionaries were less interested in making them Christian than in preventing them become Muslim is ridiculous.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.224.158 (talk) 06:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange Conspiracy Theory 

message: See this paper: The Dynamics of Conversion: the Islamisation of the Dayak peoples of Central Kalimantan page 14-20 especially page 17. So stating Dayak Muslims are only 2 % from the population is impossible. See this, this and this also for Dayak Muslims in West Kalimantan. -- Tapail (talk) 07:55, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dayak Muslims 

message: I've added Lahanan, Kajang, Tatau and Melanau to the list. Feel free to comment. Pinangjawa (talk) 17:57, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Dayaks 

message: The article currently says:
: ...the Dayaks formed a special force to assist the Allied forces. Eleven United States airmen and a few dozen Australian special operatives trained a thousand Dayaks from the Kapit Division to battle the Japanese with guerilla warfare.
But I believe Tom Harrisson was involved in this or perhaps a parallel effort, and should be mentioned also.  (I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if it was the same or a parallel effort.) —Steve Summit (talk) 18:35, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  guerrilla warfare partnership(s) 

message: This article has multiple references to a blog. Blogs typically are not suitable sources, as per Wikipedia:Citing sources.  The article should cite suitable and authoritative source material. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of blog is out of scope 

message: I am learning about the Dayak Tribe in a class on gender studies this week; because of that I am supposed to post some input that I have for the article. I think it would be helpful to add information regarding the different gender ideologies of the Dayak culture and how they define gender by the different work they do around the community. Women and men are not separated based on their masculinity or femininity. They recognize both men and women can thrive at the same kind of work but realize that men are better at certain kinds of work and women are generally better at other kinds of work. They complete the work that they are best at for the well-being of the community. Men and women's organs are also thought of as the same, they believe the difference in their sexual organs is the location; Mens sexual organs being outside of the body and women's inside. With Western culture gender norms being so different I think posting about the equality the Dayak people enjoy in terms of gender would be helpful to those viewing the page.
Nrudisill (talk) 02:36, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender roles of Dayak people 

message: Free images from old books on borneo.
http://books.google.com/books?id=phTSAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=hvBWAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=HV9CAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Yu1GAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=mjVWAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 05:05, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: sources on Dayaks and their language

message: The natives of Sarawak and British North Borneo; based chiefly on the mss. of the late H. B. Low, Sarawak government service (1896)
https://archive.org/details/nativessarawaka01lowgoog
Iban Sea Dyak
A Sea Dyak dictionary, in alphabetical parts, with examples and quotations shewing the use and meaning of words (1900)
https://archive.org/details/aseadyakdiction00bailgoog
The Sea-Dyaks of Borneo (1917)
https://archive.org/details/cu31924023260197
https://archive.org/details/cu31924023510005
Seventeen years among the Sea Dyaks of Borneo; a record of intimate association with the natives of the Bornean jungles (1911)
https://archive.org/details/seventeenyearsa00gomegoog
https://archive.org/details/seventeenyearsa01gomegoog
https://archive.org/details/seventeenyearsam00gomeuoft
Rajmaan (talk) 14:20, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sea Dayaks (Iban)

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message: Hello! I am new to editing wikipedia, but I would like to share a wonderful new source cataloging the traditional Dayak Iban woven cloth. Iban Dayak Kebat Weaving Encyclopedia Book
'Dayak Iban kebat weaving is unique because it has a sacred motif called Pua' Kumbu'. Some of them are still in the Utik River and are hundreds of years old. Pua' Kumbu' kebat weaving is inspired by the legend that lives in the Dayak Iban Indigenous Community of Sungai Utik, namely a mythological story about the relationship between humans and heavenly creatures which strengthens its sacred, philosophical and aesthetic values.' 192.91.235.193 (talk) 21:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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