Talk:Beholder (Dungeons & Dragons)

message: This section notes B....(Forgot zeh word)'s Gate 2, saying they appear throughout. It does not mention the first one, which, if memory serves, features one as one of the first bosses.. Along with one sitting in the starting tavern. I couldn't say for sure, as I no longer have the game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.38.54.198 (talk) 01:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm wondering about another possible appearance.  Wasn't there a beholder in Big Trouble In Little China? IRMacGuyver (talk) 07:35, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Something that looks like a beholder, undoubtedly. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 11:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearance in other media

message: The article was saying Keith Parkinson changed it to show plates and arthropod-like stalks, but these are both present in the sketch by Tom Wham (I'm almost certain it's by him, given the little TW signature) in the first edition Monster Manual. Keith Parkinson may have given it its popular or modern look, but those characteristics weren't his invention. I've reworded that part correspondingly. Who is like God? (talk) 11:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Characteristic appearace

message: Beholders look a hell of a lot like gorgons, or more specifically Medusa's head. And their abilities are similar.
I'd be surprised if they weren't inspired by them. Anyone know of any sources? Tommkin (talk) 20:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gorgon inspiration? 

message: Shouldn't this type of page be titled "Beholder (Dungeons & Dragons)", just to be clear?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AWC 3117 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What you are describing is a parenthetical disambiguation. The guidelines are at Wikipedia:Article titles, but the gist of it is that titles should be as simple as possible without being imprecise. Since there are no other articles named simply 'Beholder' the title doesn't really need disambiguation. Actually, there is one other article titled The Beholder, but it seems like it's the more obscure of the two by far. It would be easy to add a :Template:About to the top, if you really think it's needed. Grayfell (talk) 02:30, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: I'm not sure if this is a canon Beholder, but it is featured in the game Dungeons and Dragons: Dragonshard.
The description in the article seems to be lifted from the flavour text for it in the game's reference logs.
92.234.58.169 (talk) 19:51, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case it's a WP:COPYVIO. Since it's been unsourced since 2010, and flavortext for a single game is not enough to establish due weight, I've removed it. Like many D&D related articles, this one is almost exclusively sourced to TSR/Wizards material, and therefore has WP:PRIMARY and WP:DUE problems. Editors' enthusiasm for the game often seems to override editorial restraint, which is understandable, but in this case the content about the Umbrascarred was non-neutral and incomprehensible to anyone not already familiar with the game. That's not good form for a general-audience encyclopedia. Grayfell (talk) 20:47, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umbrascarred 

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