Talk:Simple Plan

message: Please leave all arguments about SP's genre here. -- Ian Lee 03:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: As you guys know, not all Wikipedia articles are true, just watch Wikipedia: Fact or Fiction. Now, let's just put all the facts and not fictions, for example: Simple Plan members: Pierre Bouvier, Chuck Comeau and the band's best friend Patrick Langlois founded the apparel company Role Model Clothing and I want to add the section on the Wikipedia. It will need citations and verifications. Also, please do not change the "pop-punk" band thingy,, they are pop-punk not just simply "rock". And, Simple Plan is also associated with Bring Me the Horizon lead singer Oliver Sykes and My Chemical Romance rhythm guitarist and backing vocalist Frank Iero. Add it to the associated acts section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanMars (talk • contribs) 05:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Role Model Clothing and other fictions

message: Let's run this by you guys, feedback and POV editing please... I was blocked by some foaming-at-the-mouth Simple Plan fan for editing this in after he took it out. broke 3RR he says. anyways, let's get some consensus. please verify:
Although Simple Plan maintains a devoted following and has produced two multiplatinum records with numerous hit singles, it remains one of the most bashed rock groups of recent time. The band is particularly hounded by devoted fans of the punk movement, and is frequently accused of being a pop-punk band although they describe themselves otherwise. Moreover, the juvenile subject matter of their work prompts further accusations due to the fact that its members are approaching their 30s. Many identify Simple Plan as evidence of the shameless corporatization of rock and roll music in the relentless efforts of record companies to exploit every possible commercial demographic. Nevertheless, the members of Simple Plan have stated quite clearly that they enjoy the backlash of critics, as they believe in the old adage, "all publicity is good publicity," and they will never stop doing what they love.www.sonicbreakdown.com/artistDetails.do?selectedArtistId=16039 In addition, the group continues to enjoy considerable mainstream success, as evidence by the aforementioned record sales.
*I have reverted the page after the vandalism... (again). I think its obvious that this page needs a criticisms section. the page is hit by vandals every fucking week
I personally think that it depends on what song you're talking about. Although none of their songs are pure punk, some of them or more pop than others, but not pure pop (cause eww). Even though they do suck other mens "parts"
~Melissa
::::Such a criticism is not unreasonable, but it could also be applied to countless other musicians and "performers". Perhaps if you had a formal critique it would not be removed from the article. The link you provided is not working. What you're saying is fairly obvious to a neutral observer, so I don't see why it should be challenged the way it has been. You have my support in your endeavour. XJeanLuc (talk) 22:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Criticisms

message: Why are people always deleating the pictures of Simple Plan? before there was a picture & now there isnt. >:/
*Because no one bothers to include source information for the photos. No source information = deleted. android79 12:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures? 

message: The articles on the individual band members (Charles Comeau, Pierre Bouvier, Jeff Stinco, David Desrosiers, Stormi McLightning, and Sebastien Lefebvre) are largely redundant with one another and some contain quite trivial information (favorite colors, etc.) that sounds rather fannish. I plan to merge and redirect all of those articles into this one and excise the trivial stuff. Sebastien Lefebvre is on VfD currently and I will wait until that discussion closes to perform the redirect of that article (assuming the consensus is to merge). android↔talk 02:39, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
*Given that the outcome of the VfD was Keep, and merge/redirect is a form of keep, I have redirected Sebastien Lefebvre here. I http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simple_Plan&oldid=12764236 performed the merge while the VfD discussion was ongoing, and the article did not change substantially after that time. android↔talk 23:49, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Since when has there been a member called "Stormi McLightning". The band only has five members. And really, though the information may sound "fannish", it's still valid information on the band members. GuruGurl 23:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual Band Members 

message: It's ok to remove those awkward hearts? I think they don't fit with the Wikipedia look... and they're unnecessary...
--Greedy 21:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They're gone.  Embarrassing; it made the article look as though it was written by a fifteen-year old girl with a crush on the band. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 22:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heart removing.... 

message: Once again, we do not need articles on the individual band members, especially if they include such trivia as each members' favorite color. This is an encyclopedia, not a teen magazine. android79 01:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual band members redux 

message: ok now i want to know why their english is so good. being both from montreal, why does Gilles Duceppe have a much heavier accent in comparison to simple plan?
Yeah, Simple Plan has toured all over America so they have to have good english, and when you grow up in Montreal, you learn english and french. Did you know some of their songs are sung (and recorded) in french too?
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Actually, none of SP's songs are in French.  When they tour in French speaking areas, they talk to the crowd in French.
As for their English, most of them went to a private high school in Montreal which is fairly bilingual in teaching.  David Desrosiers is the exception to that, and his English isn't as good as the others, as he grew up near Gaspe.Wehwalt 22:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  english 

message: This article needs one. Simple Plan is one of of the most bashed bands in recent history, as you could see by the constant vandalism. Carolaman 03:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hardly a hated group? Hell no. They're despised. --Switch 05:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms section 

message: Virtually every day, I or some other user must spend time reverting this article.  Therefore, I'd like (I'm not sure on the procedure) to propose that this article not be allowed to be edited by new or unregistered users.--Wehwalt 18:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted a request for semi-page protection at WP:RPP.  GilliamJF 18:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, they turned us down.  Guess we will just have to stay on the ball.--Wehwalt 18:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: people need to learn that just because they made it said something, doesnt mean that it is true. for clarification, please see the "Elephant" talk page.Jds10912 17:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Propose block

message: Simple Plan's songs 'Welcome To My Life', 'Untitled (How Could This Happen To Me)' and 'When I'm With You' can be heard in three episodes of the television show Smallville
:Look, why don't we move all the TV appearances of their songs to a new subsection, say 5.5, and renumber the existing 5.5 as 5.6?--Wehwalt 17:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: I guess they are criticized for being commercial? The main article just says that they are criticized, but no specifics. If that can't be improved, maybe the whole criticism section should be deleted
:I deleted the specific criticisms because they were unsourced and violated WP:WEASEL.  --Wehwalt 19:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Criticism? 

message: Just got an email from thier mailing list saying thier going back in to studios soon so if the guy who made this article could add Untitled Album (2007) to the discography that would be nice.
It is referenced in the article that the 3rd CD is being prepared.  Until there is an official announcement that the CD is done and will be released, let us leave it at that.  They've been very slow on this one.  Remember, this CD was originally supposed to come out in the late spring or summer of 2006.  Much as I love the band, I hate to put up stuff that may not turn out to be accurate.--Wehwalt 14:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: I'd suggest a temporary block be put on this page...vandals are sneaking stuff in here constantly. JesseZinVT 15:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  block 

message: Since it's an actual band with an actual release we should split it off into it's own article. I'm trying to do some research about it so that I can make one but they don't have much to work with. Is it even worth it? Of course this wll probably get lost within all of the topics like if Simple Plan is emo.... good god... DarkAvenger280 05:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming it is a real band (I have never actually heard the EP), the band would fail WP:NOT.  Let us face it.  The podcasts are listened to by SP fans and by no one else.  If Man of the Hour was by Jean Deaux and his buddy (John Doe, in other words), it would be trivial.  As MOTH does not have a huge amount of info to put in an article, the project derives from SP, and has very little life of its own, and the casual reader interested in SP would expect to find it here, let us leave it here.  If Seb has his article, put a mention in it there too.  I doubt if Patrick has his own article (it would be interesting to see if an article on him would survive AfD).--Wehwalt 11:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Man Of The Hour 

message: I remember reading that Still Not Getting Any... went double platinum.  I'm not that sure though.  Can someone find a source, or at least verify this? — Ian Lee (Talk|contribs) 23:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Still Not Getting Any...

message: Does Simple Plan plan to publish a new album? when? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.138.1.172 (talk) 12:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Album? 

message: Stop saying simple plan rules. Go to there chat sites with there grade 8 fans and comment there. This is NOT a page to post your opioin about simple plan if it does not contriubute to the article. (70.51.87.56 01:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And neither is this the place to create new topics just to tell people that. — Ian Lee  (Talk - Contribs - Sign - Gimme!) 05:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And judging by your educated use of "there grade 8 fans" and "opioin", may I assume that Grade 8 is not something you will have to worry about for quite some time?  I agree, the Talk Page has a specific function, but I generally cut people some slack.--Wehwalt 09:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not good 

message: They are from Quebec, and are obviously of French heritage (the members themselves, I mean), so are they Quebecois or Canadian? Arbiteroftruth 02:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're both... see: Quebecois — Ian Lee  (Talk) 06:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quebecois or Canadian? 

message: I personally think that 7 inch and A Big Pakage for You are too minor to be put in the Simple Plan album chronology.  What do you guys think? — Ian Lee  (Talk) 20:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  ABPFY may merit brief attention in the article.  But I don't think many fans know (or really, care) about the vinyl, which didn't get a lot of exposure.  For a long time you could buy it through merchdirect, where official SP merch is sold, haven't checked that in a while.  But it is sort of pointless.  Frankly, CDs are what counts.--Wehwalt 16:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that we should nominate the 7 inch for deletion all together (I mean what can you really write about?), and disinclude A Big Package for You in the chronology because it isn't a CD, and I don't think other band articles' chronologies include DVDs although I could be wrong.  If no one objects, I'll do so. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 23:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 7 inch is up for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/7 Inch — Ian Lee  (Talk) 17:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, the proposals have been done. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 07:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple Plan chronology 

message: Patrick Langlois is also one of the owners of Role Model, as stated in the officiel record for that company . I think the Role Model Clothing section should mention it. Kitiara99 21:54, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Interesting, I never knew that... — Ian Lee  (Talk) 00:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role Model Clothing 

message: I agree that Simple Plan are not punk rock, they are definitely pop-punk, but it's clear that if bands like Busted can qualify as rock, which they do, then Simple Plan are obviously a rock band too. I'll be adding this now, if anybody wishes to discuss it, please do before removing it.
:Thanks for your contribution.  I am going to remove it on the basis of previous discussions on this page which say we will only go by sources when it comes to SP's genre.  Your logic is no doubt valid, but we have to go by sources.--Wehwalt 00:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that isn't using "rock" as a generic term.  I mean, by some standard, almost every band since 1960 is a rock band.  Let's see the source first.--Wehwalt 14:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...well... they did win the Teen Choice Award for Choice Rock Group... didn't they?  Just throwing out thoughts... — Ian Lee  (Talk) 20:33, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, are the other nominees for that award described as "rock" on WP?--Wehwalt 22:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of them, have some type of rock (ie punk rock, alt. rock) attached to them. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 23:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Isn't the punk in "pop punk" implicitly short for "punk rock"?--Wehwalt 23:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know much about genres but I'd disagree.  "Pop punk rock" shouldn't sound right to you... and "alternative hip hop" doesn't mean "alternative rock hip hop" for sure... but if you have prior education that I'm not aware of, then you're probably right... — Ian Lee  (Talk) 10:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Hm, they all describe SNGA.  We could put the descriptions in the discussion of that CD.--Wehwalt 16:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: When does two become many?  Did you check out the sources I put on the genre talk page?  I think that if a large majority of sources (and I think that is what it is) describes them as a pop punk band then that is what they are.  We can make reference that their music, especially SNGA includes elements of rock.--Wehwalt 17:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, how about we say they are a "pop punk rock band"--Wehwalt 01:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I think pop-rock has a distinct meaning which isn't justified by the references and doesn't cover SP.--Wehwalt 08:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hey, sorry to but in, but, wouldn't SP (even snga) largely fall under Power pop.  Read the 2nd paragraph and you'll see what I mean... — Ian Lee  (Talk) 00:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe (I read it), but that would be our opinion and thus original research.  We'd need sources to call SP power pop.--Wehwalt 01:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well... if you want to go on pure sources (which I really think that we shouldn't because all the sources are biased and it is trivial information) it would be pop punk because 90% of the sources say so... — Ian Lee  (Talk) 05:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: How can we throw out 90 percent of sources because we think they are biased?  The thing is, regardless of how SNGA sounded or did not sound, SP is widely considered a pop punk band.  And bands are more than their last CD anyway.  There are many, many more sources that say pop punk than anything else.  I've offered a couple of different compromise ways of putting in the opinion of a few reviewers that they have moved towards rock (though I am not sure what that means, almost all bands fall under rock in one way or another), but apparently James25402 is suggesting replacing the pop punk label entirely or else put another label on the same footing.  I do not think it is justified.--Wehwalt 11:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd tend to agree, your sources should be included in the discussion of SNGA.  As for the emo thing, I really don't think you will find very many reliable sources that say they are emo.  I would suggest you insert a sentence or two in the SNGA section re the rock sound, and then let's see where we go from there.  --Wehwalt 19:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, I dont think we should throw out 90% of the sources, I was just saying that I personally don't agree that SP is JUST pop punk.  As for mentioning that SP has moved away from pop punk, I did already write that, but if you want to expand upon that and make it more prevalent in the article, I won't object.  As for SP being emo, huh?  They are WAY TO HAPPY to be anything near emo... so yeah, like you said, no. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 23:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I really don't know what to expect for the third album, so I wouldn't be to sure about that.  Are we all happy as it is right now?  I am. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 23:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks OK.--Wehwalt 00:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Consensus was not to do that.--Wehwalt 05:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

text: What counts is not how they characterize themselves . . . --Wehwalt 01:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ditto, and a few more things.  The death metal thing was vandilism that since has been changed.  And their myspace page is not a reliable resource.  Please read other past discussions on this page before posting. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 01:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, and please sign your posts with four tildas '~~~~'. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 01:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Incidently, I had a conversation with someone with the band who has heard some of the new music (not a band member) and he described the new songs as "good, but different."  We shall see . . . --Wehwalt 12:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, idk... Last time they worked with a hard rock producer, and now they're working with a nu metal producer, which is perfectly fine with me because sp r0xorz, but I personally enjoy their pop-ier music (although I think the second record was better)... but that's just me and my opinion doesn't matter... I don't know what to expect... — Ian Lee  (Talk) 17:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I saw.  Let me think about it for a while.  Certainly, it is problematic.  But it may be worth it to keep it.--Wehwalt 03:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding the "Rock" genre 

message: I don't really care which way this goes, but there are francophone Canadians outside Quebec, just as there are anglophone Canadians inside Quebec.  The two terms are not identical.  What are we trying to tell the reader?  Or would we be best off just to say that they are Montreal-based?  As I say, I don't have a dog in this fight.--Wehwalt 11:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been my knowledge that French Canadians in Quebec are by definition Quebecer, and I also think that more people would understand who a "French Canadian" is, so that's basically my logic there. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 17:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are certainly anglophone (English speaking) communities in Quebec, and also French speakers outside.  The Dionne Quintuplets were from a French-speaking community well away from Quebec, for example.  But in view of people's understanding, French Canadian is probably the better option.  I think in view of most people's views, they'll understand what is being said.  This has been an awkward part of the article all along, as you'll recall.--Wehwalt 19:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wouldn't do it myself, but if you or someone else were just to remove it all together I wouldn't protest.  Just want to state that. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 23:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: French Canadian v. Quebecer

message: I'd never heard that the band was once called Canadian Plan.  I am certainly raising eyebrows at this one.  I don't pretend to know everything about the band's naming and early history, but I did ask Pat how the band got its name, and he gave substantially the answer that we have in the article--that they needed a name, liked the movie, and adopted it as a temporary name and never changed it.  That's OR, of course, but I can't find anything on "Canadian Plan" on the web and it isn't in that online bio on SPO.  I'm going to change the reference, by the way, so readers know it is a "Simple Plan Online" bio rather than a "Simple Plan" Online bio, if you see the difference. --Wehwalt 20:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Third page of comments http://youtube.com/watch?v=l7pQg_GT3Uk by sebsprincess and vickyw6255 is what I'm baseing it off of.  This is really shakey for WP:V so I'll leave it your call.  Smart move on the Simple Plan Online thing. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 22:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Found another ref http://www.allthetests.com/quiz22/quizpu.php?testid=1165769643 (first question's answer) and more on google search http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS229US229&q=%22Canadian+Plan%22+%22Simple+Plan%22 but I think That Pat is more reliable, so I don't know... you should ask one of the band when you get the chance. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 22:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it is possible.  It's not like I knew this when I asked Pat the question.  So it is possible we miscommunicated.  It was last summer by the way.  I'll see if I can clear it up when I get a chance.--Wehwalt 22:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadian Plan

message: This section should be removed, it contributes nothing to the article or the artist, and is, with the exception of the opening mention of the band, completely about the MYplash card and not the band. Ejfetters 11:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would tend to agree.  It is an advertising sponsor they were involved with.  Not much different from Samsung and Cingular (as it then was) sponsoring the last U.S. tour.  We wouldn't do a section about them.--Wehwalt 11:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: MYplash section

message: I have removed the album art from the list of albums per Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria item #8 - please don't readd them, read the policy. Ejfetters 11:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Album art

message: Is it just me, or is it just odd that every single image in this article has either been deleted or is up for deletion?  This seriously annoys me.  I understand how Wikipedia has to follow guidlines that tell us what to do with copyrighted images, but this has just gone to far.  Please, for the sake of having a good and editable encyclopedia, voice your opinion here: Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#A rational change (pun intended).  — Ian Lee  (Talk) 19:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is no coincidence.  However, I dug through my photobucket and found a decent shot I took back in '05 when they played that theme park near Springfield.  I bought a good camera today and will get a better shot when they come back out.--Wehwalt 00:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please make sure to upload your photo to the Commons so that it can go on Commons:Simple Plan. —Remember the dot (talk) 00:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we have the image problem fairly under control this time.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Fair Use Nonsense 

message: Sorry if this is not the right place but i think that there You Tube Channel should be include in there external links as it os official and all and plus there my space is there so i think it's the same as the myspace. Sorry if doesn't make sense. (Julesy202 11:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine.  Seems OK.  I will correct to YouTube.--Wehwalt 14:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Remeber to use templates when applicable. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 20:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: You Tube and External Links

message: Can't sleep, clown will eat me (talk) seems to keep on deleting the "Critisms" and "In popular culture" sections of the article because they are unsourced.  I personally believe that the "In popular culture" section would never be properly documented for our use in Wikipedia and therefor shouldn't be deleted along those lines.  The critisms section might have some references but I doubt it.  I wanted to know what are your guy's thoughts on this matter before I added it back or not did anything. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 20:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The deletion of the "Critisms" and "In popular culture" sections

message: Could someone change this:
Charles-André (Chuck) Comeau -> Charles-André "Chuck" Comeau
I'd change it, but the page is locked.  171.71.37.203 19:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  grammar edit 

message: Once we have a title for the third CD and start the article, suggest we move all the "blow by blow" discussion of how the third CD came to be to the new article, in a section to be titled "Production".  We won't need it in the main article anymore but it would be a shame to delete it.--Wehwalt 21:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. It really would be a regretful situation to see something we've worked on for so long be deleted.  It's well written at that too.  I also suspect heavy editing (with increased vandilism) and major fun for us in the next month or two.  Perhaps we will recieve more members in WP:SPW, or maybe not.  I don't know.  Can't wait!  — Ian Lee  (Talk) 06:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third CD 

message: With the new single and album coming out, I moved the Simple Plan discography article back to Simple Plan song list, so we can create a proper discography article sort of the way The Living End has both a The Living End discography and a The Living End song list article.  The before-Simple Plan discography in all truthfullness is not really a discography.  — Ian Lee  (Talk) 19:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine.  Incidently, where did you get the info on the demo?  I've heard "First Date" but I've never heard "Red Radio".--Wehwalt 19:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, it's done.  We have two distinct articles now.  As for where I got my info, I honestly don't remember.  If you want to delete it that's fine with me (WP:N). — Ian Lee  (Talk) 19:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  No, just curious.  I've never heard them talk about the old days, except once I asked David about "One By One" which is my favorite, but they mostly did it before he joined the band.--Wehwalt 19:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just listned to it and it's really good.  You know what they should do?  They should make a B-sides compilation CD of all their obscure songs, pre-David songs, soundtracks, and what not, because (at least in my opinion) a lot of their better songs are on it.  I know I'd buy it. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 20:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What did you listen to?  One by One?  Yes, I would agree.  Like Silverstein did.  They rereleased their first two EPs and some live stuff and remixes as "18 Candles:  The Early Years".--Wehwalt 20:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah.  I listened to "One by One".  The non-live version of First Date (and any version of Red Radio and Summer Lies for that matter) are not to be found anywhere.  We should probably take this off WP is you want to continue. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 21:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple Plan discography 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:M 2fbccf7ad15192674ee18cb225fa5fcb.jpg

message: http://www.simple-plan.de/ is reporting that the CD is self-titled.  My German's not the best, but that is the way it reads to me.  It's also reporting a track listing.  The site says it is an official site.  Do we go with it?--Wehwalt 20:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Google translater agrees.  Going to do it now. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 01:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we be sure this is an official site? Where does it say it? ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ (talk) 03:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It says it.  Upper left I think.  I am not really surprised, that logo looked to finished to insert an album name later.--Wehwalt 13:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Self titled?

message: Yay!  Let's bring it up again.  We have a new source(click) from the first answer to the first question.  Do you guys think we should do something with it? — Ian Lee  (Talk) 23:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: David's statement (though secondhand) seems to support what we have in the article.  I suggest we just add it as a ref.  By the way, he doesn't say a word about the Canadian Plan thing which was brought up a while back.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have you asked them about it yet?  I'm going to add the ref now. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 23:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The text was based on what Patrick had told me--this pretty much confirms it.  There really hasn't been the chance for me to ask them in person, and I had better things to talk about the one time I've seen them recently.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a video where Chuck and Seb talk about how the band name came to be.  It generally confirms what we have in the article..  Actually, that is one of the best and most factual interviews I've seen with them in a while.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band name - new evidence 

message: This is a continuation upon the previous discussion titled "Adding the "Rock" genre" upward of this.  With the third album being released, the reviews have flooded in, and with that, we have more sources.  I propose that we re-open the discussion of Simple Plan's genre(s). Your thoughts with the new album in mind? — Ian Lee  (Talk) 21:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree we should reopen it.  I really haven't read the reviews yet.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

text: On the basis of two main references, I'm re-opening the discussion on whether or not to call Simple Plan "Modern Rock".  This one flat out calls When I'm Gone modern rock, while this one notes of how the 3rd album hit #4 in the modern rock album charts.  What do you people think of this? — Poe Joe (formerly Ian Lee) (Talk) 03:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, does the chart equal the genre?--Wehwalt (talk) 06:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know the chart equals a reliable source if that's what you're asking. — Poe Joe (formerly Ian Lee) (Talk) 21:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding the "Rock" genre, cont'd... 

message: Weren't they managed by Acobix Records / Management, prior to signing with Lava?
Should this be added to the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.177.205 (talk) 12:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if you can provide a reference on that.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And the manager is not the same as the label, by the way.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is probably where he is getting the idea.  Not reliable. — Ian Lee  (Talk) 02:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  And the unsigned contributor is making more of it than it actually is.  They've only had one manager.  I am not quite clear on whether he signed on before or after Lava signed them (I think before), but my understanding is that they were self managed before then.  However, I don't think band management is really encyclopedic, except, say, you're dealing with The Beatles or something.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previous Management? 

message: It seems to me a bit misleading that we start this article saying Simple Plan French Canadian and then fail to mention at any point that the majority (perhaps all) of Simple Plan's work has been in English. Perhaps we should clarify that, or simply say that they are from Montreal and leave it at that.--ASA-IRULE (talk) 22:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally don't think it needs to be said, but if you want a shot at it, let's see! — Poe Joe (formerly Ian Lee) (Talk) 01:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we should call them Quebecois.  After all, there are French Canadians in other provinces, esp. New Brunswick and Ontario.  The Dionne Quintuplets lived a hundred miles outside the province, yet they were French Canadian.  I don't see any need to note the language.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My only objection to Quebecois is that many people will not understand what the terms means.  I think it's fine as is. — Poe Joe (formerly Ian Lee) (Talk) 21:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I guess.  We seem to go around in circles on this.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My only issue is that there is a french Canadian music scene and Simple Plan isn't a part of it.  While the band members may be francophone that's just a part of Canadian life.  Jean Chrétien's page doesn't mention that he is francophone until the 3rd section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shnoble (talk • contribs) 04:00, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Canadian and yet... 

message: In many simple plan songs there is piano. From what i know pierre plays piano, this link shows a picture of him playing piano.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.92.57.109 (talk) 23:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and Seb played the piano in the bonus DVD of SNGA.  Unless he is given credit for it on the CD (which he isn't) we can not put it in the article.  We must have relevant and reliable sources to make such a claim. — Poe Joe (formerly Ian Lee) (Talk) 19:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piano 

message: The second sentence of the first paragraph reads: "As announced in Bouvier's official MySpace blog, Bouvier headed to Miami as on about March 21, 2007 to work with an unnamed producer, who later proved to be Dave Fortman."  My knowledge of the recording process is hazy, but are we sure that it wasn't Danja they went to work with?  They went to him for inspiration, and to the best of my knowledge, they were still writing songs at that point.  Dave Fortman (to the best of my knowledge) came in later.  What do we think? — Poe Joe (formerly Ian Lee) (Talk) 02:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My recollection on the point isn't as clear as it used to be, and I don't recall if I wrote that from knowledge or assumption.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Simple Plan (2006-present)" section 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "canadacharts" :
** CANOE - JAM! Music SoundScan Charts
** Certificaciones AMPROFON 2008
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replies: text: It's been fixed. -- Poe Joe  (Talk) 00:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: It's one of the most hated bands ever, but if someone adds a criticism section, it's immediately deleted by rabid Simple Plan fans.
70.72.204.39 (talk)
:Criticism sections are frowned upon by WP guidelines.  Any sourced matter should be integrated into the text.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with Wehwalt.  There just aren't enough reliable sources we could use to write such a section.  Also, the last criticism section was deleted months ago.  I have no idea what you are talking about. -- Poe Joe  (Talk) 23:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

text: And disregarding your slanderous statement that SP fans are "rabid", Simple Plan is far from the most hated band ever.  Simple Plan hate died out a long time ago; it was very short-lived.  Get with the program. -- Poe Joe  (Talk) 23:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This Page Really Needs a Criticism Section

message: I want to add this and I have proof. I attended SP'S concert in Melbourne, Australia on the 21st of October, 2008 and I quote Pierre saying "Tonight is Jeff's last show, he figured he found a better job."
Maybe we should wait for a confirmation. - Tahlia
:My information is that something was said about Pat, not Jeff, however we will await an official announcement.  Everything put in is going to be subject to WP:V.  With Sum 41 being a GA, we are going to keep up with the Jones's and improve this article (when I have time, and Poe Joe as well, which may not be for a couple of months).  Please add topics at the bottom; I'm moving this one.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:48, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jeff Is Leaving!

message: Simple plan's genre is pop punk and alternative rock. Alternative rock makes up most of their entire third album, along with almost half the songs from Still Not Getting Any... being alternative rock of some sort. --72.152.70.95 (talk) 18:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, it's been a long time since this page has been used. Anyway, find a good number of sources that say so, and it can be put up. -- Poe Joe  (talk) 22:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You mean, usually the editor just goes ahead and ignores consensus!--Wehwalt (talk) 04:54, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Someone (not me - you can check the history) has added emo to the band's genre list. 
Which is something I totally agree with. 
I know accusing bands left, right and centre of being "emo" is stupid, but seriously, everyone knows Simple Plan are an emo band. It's pretty much undebatable. So, before some huge stupid edit war starts over this, I'd just like to ask someone, anyone, to find as many reliable sources as possible that cite the band as emo. This whole thing needs to be cleared up. --LordNecronus (talk) 22:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your passages has teh gots thu non-objective, biasedness. Please read all the above topics concerning this very issue. -- Poe Joe  (talk) 03:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I challenged the "every band is emo is one person anywhere said it is" folk to come up with a significant number of articles saying SP was emo, they didn't do very well.  Please read that discussion, as Poe Joe said.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest Genre Change (no flame wars!) 

message: Let's discuss this.  Personally, I think "Since 1999" is both unencyclopedic and also perhaps too idiomatic for some.  I personally prefer the old format.  Thoughts?--Wehwalt (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on this discussion I've reverted back to the old format but urge all parties involved to discuss it here, or agree to reopen that discussion.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Still, there seems to be a dispute about it.  Should we have a broader discussion?--Wehwalt (talk) 15:02, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, there is IAR, but they didn't apply that.  They soberly looked at it and found that the MOS did not dictate the situation.  I suggest that a discussion on this be opened at some larger venue.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Same forum as before?  But I think consensus on the page does not presently support the change.  You're coming to the situation, you bear a certain version of persuasion, with both sides having right on their sides.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

text: The template talk forum I cited to above.  And I'm reserving judgment.  I just don't think it should be changed without discussion, and Talk:SP is too small a forum.  What about the MoS talk page?--Wehwalt (talk) 16:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And doesn't WP:OTHERDATE answer things?--Wehwalt (talk) 16:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Can you give a link to the discussion?--Wehwalt (talk) 16:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Since 1999 

message: Simple Plan in pretty much pop-punk but they also play alternative rock, so I would appreciate to make this option available. Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AwesomeUsername555 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright. But before editing, please cite verifiable and reliable sources. --TheReaderOfOz (talk) 19:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding  "alternative rock" to Genres. 

message: Damage Control has nothing to do with the band, according to this article. I vote that it is moved to the host's page rather than the band's.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielDPeterson (talk • contribs) 10:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the theme song of the show is "Me Against the World", a Simple Plan song. Zappa (talk) 02:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I had no idea. I've never watched it. DanielDPeterson + talk 03:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move Damage Control to the respective host's page? 

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message: Simple Plan recorded the theme song for "What's New Scooby Doo?", and songs from "No Pads, No Helmets...Just Balls" were featured in the show, specifically the episodes "It's Mean, It's Green, It's the Mystery Machine"-featuring "I'd Do Anything"- and "Simple Plan and the Invisible Madman"-featuring "You Don't Mean Anything" and "The Worst Day Ever".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.23.18 (talk) 23:25, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Television 

message: Simple Plan is an Alternative and/or Punk band. They are not emo and are not necessarily rock. They are similar to Good Charlotte, Sum 41, and other such bands.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.23.18 (talk) 23:27, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Is the self-titled / untitled album the only one with swear words? --1.252.80.124 (talk) 12:47, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explicit content 

message: Simple Plan is an Pop Punk and Alternative band. They are not Emo. They are similar to Good Charlotte, Sum 41, and other such bands. Biruxx (talk) 03:48, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple plan's music genre emo? 

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