Talk:Companions of Saint Nicholas

message: I have pasted the lead from companions of Saint Nicholas. It links the articles nicely, & is a good basis for further editing. --Archolman User talk:Archolman 18:19, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: This is a poorly written piece that conflates a lot of similar traditions into a single overgenralization.  Krampus is not the same as Knecht Ruprecht, who is not the same thing as Zwarte Piet.  I have done research in this area, and unless there's an objection, I will be rewriting this article, and probably be renaming it as well ("The Companions of St. Nicholas" probably).  
--Writer@Large 17:01, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion, Needs Work!

message: The emphasis on blackface is misleading. That isn't Knecht Ruprecht, those are Zwarte Piets, or Krampusse, his blackamoor slaves. This article should be focused on Knecht Ruprecht, w images like those found @ Paganism_in_the_Eastern_Alps.
Sam Spade  05:29, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Blackface

message: I have added a small paragraph in the "traditions" section, it's all the information i have managed to gather about Krampus while i have been in croatia, though i have been there a while ago, i have only written the information i clearly remember, and have omited the parts that are blurry or i am uncertain of.
MRcool2035 14:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Croatia 

message: I removed this uncited section from the article to this Talk page because it appears to incorrectly conflate Heiliger Abend (Christmas Eve) with Heiliger Nikolaus (evening before Saint Nikolaus's saint's day), which occur on different dates and have different traditions - changing to Heiliger Nikolaus, if cited, might fit in the article:
Christmas Eve (Heiliger Abend, "Holy Evening") thus became known as the time when children were best behaved, and the tales of Ruprecht gave a balance to the winter festivals which might seem disquieting to some, but which were not especially grim or atypical of customs of times past. The story is still popular throughout the German-speaking world.
-Wikianon 20:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern perspective

message: The poem "Farmhand Ruprecht" in the references section is quite poorly translated, and I believe that it subtracts from the overall quality of the article.  A half-hearted effort to find a better translation failed to turn anything up.  Would anybody object to this being removed?  Or does someone have a translation available that isn't such a crime against English?  Or do gems like "I spoke: 'the rod, it is here; / but for the children, only the bad'" actually add something to the article that I'm missing? MattGif 15:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a better translation of this poem some weeks ago. Thanks! Wtroopwept (talk) 21:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove the bad poetry? 

message: The old picture is so dark that one can not see anything. There is no point in keeping it, when better pictures are available.
Warrington (talk) 18:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see where you are coming from and I mentioned this in the edit summary. I said I have no problem and I'm sure many oither s dont care either if you find a new picture. But will you please find one similar to the current one. With a close up, that shows the face clearly. Thanks! --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 20:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I have been approached for a third opinion to assist with achieving consensus on the primary picture used to illustrate this article. I have to concur with Warrington that the current image is too dark, and the article is better illustrated by the use of the image at . The article doesn't need to be specifically illustrated by a close up/full frontal image: it's my opinion that the alternative, brighter, image is actually more effective since it shows a Krampus in a 'real', rather than artificial or posed, setting. ColdmachineTalk 00:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, I removed the added pictures because I don't think its necesary to have every character's picture squeezed onto the page. We can debate that if need be. But You two got what I'm saying wrong. I'm not saying this picture is good, and I agree that there are better ones. All I'm saying is I like the idea behind the current picture. The first one added Was from sort of far away. And the second picture was of Krampu's profile. If you disagree we can debate it, but I like the front view close-up... Is there anyway we can find one like this thats lighter. I'll look. and see what I can do. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 01:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  How do you guys like the following ones I found through an quick google image search... This is what I mean... (http://davidbyrne.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/12_21_04_c_krampus2.jpg) and (http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/greal/NewAYA/salzburg_info/subpages/images/krampus.jpg) are two examples. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 01:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The second photograph of those two is good; the first is clipped so not ideal. I understand what you're saying about having a front-facing full view picture, but you oughtn't to remove things on the basis of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. ColdmachineTalk 09:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

text: As is the situation over at Pre-Christian_Alpine_traditions; too many images leads to an ugly article (see WP:IUP) particularly where the amount of text is small. This applies here; only one image is really needed to illustrate the article content (that's the purpose of adding an image, after all). ColdmachineTalk 15:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

text: There is more than 3. If you actually read the article you will see there is much more than 3. The Belsnickel is a good example. And if they look different its irrelevant. Too many pictures turns the page into an ugly one. Now lets forget about that, because thats not going to happen. Anyway, Warrington, as for your Krampus picture question, I suppose its not a huge dea if you switch it. so I'll back off. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 17:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  As EveryDayJoe45 says, a single pertinent example is sufficient. It doesn't necessarily matter that there are different companions: you can always provide a link to a Commons category which illustrates them all. ColdmachineTalk 18:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: He's like Black Pete and follows St. Nick in Catholic parts of Switzerland.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.200.183 (talk) 03:04, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schmutzli 

message: *Shouldn't we add father time? --71.56.227.238 (talk) 20:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The characters Father Time/The Old Year and Baby New Year appear in popular culture soon after Santa Claus, but I don't know that they've ever been thought of/depicted as companions of Santa Claus? Шизомби (talk) 21:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

text: It depends whose popular culture you're referencing. They're not found in UK or European Christmas folklore, ancient or modern. They are associated with modern New Year celebrations however. --Archolman User talk:Archolman 18:19, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  No. Temporal proximity is no relationship. This article is about companions: those who travel with him. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:20, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father Time 

message: Does this belong here? It seems far too recent and removed from any Santa Mythos to belong to me, though I am by no means an expert in this. Given that this page doesn't include Rudolph or Frosty the Snowman, I feel that it should probably be removed from the page. 75.171.12.153 (talk) 04:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is this section currently titled "Der Bingle"? Mr. Bingle seems a US-specific character---why the German?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.171.241.213 (talk) 23:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Bingle 

message: "fr:Père fouettard" (a black-clothed father with a birch (fouet)) is the compagnon of Saint Nicholas in large regions of France. It's in 1850, that a dutch teacher changed Père fouettard (Père noir) into Black Pete, a boy liberated from slavery by Saint-Nicholas, the child benefactor.--Havang(nl) (talk) 08:45, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Père fouettard and Black Pete 

message: Here in Wallonia, near Verviers at least, we (used to?) speak of "Hans Ruff" as I would put it in German spelling, "Hanskrouffe" in French lookalike. He is supposed to be the punishing one, probably to keep Saint-Nicolas lovable. --A Pirard (talk) 19:47, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A reference would be helpful. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wallonia: Hans Ruff? 

message: In 2005 Knecht Ruprecht was apparently merged with Companions of Saint Nicholas and the Talk page made a redirect. Some five years later, it seems there was enough material to split Knecht Ruprecht on its own. However, the talk page remains a redirect to the different but related article. If Knecht Ruprecht has its own page, should the article not also have its own Talk page? (I have no idea how to do that given the old redirect.) Mannanan51 (talk) 18:59, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knecht Ruprecht Talk Page 

message: Did Befana ever visit "the territories formerly in the Holy Roman Empire"?  And did she "accompany" St Nicholas? I think she should be moved to the "see also" section. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 15:59, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Befana 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In light of the New York Times Acrostic published 22 December 2020, it would be nice to have a short page on her, especially since her book is referenced in the Notes section to this page. There's a page in another language but I can't read that.Paulthedesertrat (talk) 22:45, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consider adding a page (in English) on Phyllis Siefker to Wikipedia?