Talk:Toyota Supra

message: Ren0 reverted my image to his previous one, and I changed it. The overhead shot of the white MKIV is a bad angle, in bad light. If you don't like my photo, find a better one but no professional photographer can dispute that my image is aesthetically superior. --DOHC Holiday 01:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: there is no problem with your photograph.. it is just preferred that when an image of a car is to represent that car it should be in stock form. only reason i reverted it. ren0talk 07:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: and yes i know the white one is not stock either... the only reason i prefer it is it is less obvious. ren0talk 07:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: MKIV Image

message: i have removed it for various reasons.
1. that is a highly modified toyota supra not in stock form
2. that car should not represent what ALL of the toyota supra's look like. there are four generations and they are noted with images of (near) stock supras already. (that MKIV supra isn't stock...)
thank you. ren0talk 07:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: about the image

message: :I've just uploaded :Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg, how about using that as the top image instead? κаллэмакс 16:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah, i'm fine with that. i'll add it in my next edit. thanks for uploading it. ren0talk 07:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Toyota Supra Logo

message: The link to the 1981 Toyota Celica Supra Sales Brochure (PDF) does not work, just so you know. Great article btw.
: you're right. there is a typo in the link. i'll fix it in my next update. thank you for your input. be sure to place your comments on the bottom and also please be sure to sign your talk edits with ~~~~. it will place your signature by your comment like this: ren0talk 07:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Broken Link

message: If anyone has information in MKII Supras around the world, please don't be afraid to add it. Preferably in the same format as i have started. Come on, we need more countries in there. ren0talk 17:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MKII's around the world expansion

message: Just uploaded :Image:Toyota Supra Mk IV model.jpg, the car is not modified. :) κаллэмакс 20:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah, i figured that is as big as the image actually needed to be though. also that image of a "model" car is alright, might have to use it to represent the MKIV for awhile. thanks. ren0talk 21:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mk IV model 

message: well as of late i have ran out of any free time to work on this article and i only got to the MKII section. if anyone out there would like to complete the other sections it would be awesome. i still plan on watching this article to make sure people don't put crazy stupid stuff in here and i also plan on adding stuff, just a lot more slowly than how fast i wrote the MKI and MKII stuff up.
please if you do plan to edit and add tons of info follow my template that i have set up on the other sections. when it gets to the quick info portion, if you are working on that, just send me a talk and i will be glad to help you out with the table work (assuming you aren't too familiar with it).
thank you.
ren0talk 18:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: my rewrite

message: Without a doubt, all Supras have 950hp+. The most overrated car of course is the 10,000 hp Nissan Skyline, of which one exists. Nuff said. Keep this Supra page real. CJ DUB 18:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i have no idea what you are talking about (can't make sense of it) or why this is relevant to the talk page. ren0talk 23:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you can talk about whatever you want, POV, etc. My feeling is that too mnay pages on imports are all The "{insert import car make and model here} is by far the greatest car Japan has ever made", or "The luxury of Lexus is unsurpassed". I'm sick of it. Letting you all know you need to keep it real and tone it down. Supra seemed like a good place to start. CJ DUB 00:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: gotcha, yeah i have done a lot of revision (from the top down to the end of the MKII section). looks like no one else is going to attempt editing the other sections, so i am going to slowly rewrite them and remove bias and POV. i mean i actually own a MKII and i tried to keep it strictly facts in that section, even though i love the MKII's more than any other generation. ren0talk 01:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd most overrated car in the world 

message: Curb weight 3000lbs.? Good luck in doing that. So its gonna be lighter than a Supra and STILL have a 5.0L engine? I'd love to know how they are doing that. Rice-paper maybe? This car will be 3500lbs. minimum as are all supercars. Also, mentioning its somewhat based off a F1 platform is a massive misnomer, considereding the meaning of the word platform in automobiles. If its even close to a race design a la the Carrera GT or F430 its gonna be more expensive than fitty grand. CJ DUB 00:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry i moved this, i am just obsessive when it comes to formatting. now about the "new supra" section. i have been planning to just remove it completely, pending certain people's opinions. toyota has stated many times there will be no more supra. and until they say otherwise there shouldn't be a category dedicated to it. ren0talk 01:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Supra

message: I can open the eyes of the entire Supra enthusiast community in regards to how the Supra has been given additional fictional names, that ultimately do not belong in the grand scheme of things (the history and life of the Supra).
The story i have will bring alot of debate, but i believe in it and think it should be added to the Supra Wikipedia.
Ill add to this asap.
Mr williams
:Please make sure that any information you add to the article is verifiable using reliable sources, and not original research. TomTheHand 14:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: In the name of the Supra

message: Where is an appropriate place to mention the BHG problem on the Mark 3? For better or for worse this is an important part of the car's history. Spazquest 05:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure, but you're right. It should go in there somewhere. Roguegeek 08:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's more a problem with the 7M-G[T]E engine than the car (as the engine wasn't only available in the MkIII nor was it the only engine available in the Supra).  It is discussed in the 7M-GE page but not on the Toyota_M_engine#7M-GE page.  If it is added to the MkIII section, it should be mentioned that it was an issue with that particular engine. Upholder 05:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head gasket 

message: Amazing work Reo0. Just some minor points though, this is in regard to the JDM model, my knowledge of the export model is very limited.
"However, the turbo model used 4-piston brake calipers on the front and 2-piston calipers for the rear."
In regard to the JDM model this is an over simplification. They were a factory option in the RZ until 95, the RZ-S model had the smaller brakes and the SZ-R (a non turbo model) was factory optioned with larger brakes. Just to confuse matters in the 96 the SZ-R came with the large brakes standard.
"For 1997, the manual transmission is back for the optional engine along with a redesign of the tail lights, front fascia, chromed wheels, and other minor changes such as the radio and steering wheel designs."
Speaking for the JDM Supra the styling changes were introduced in May 96. This including a restyled front bar, head lights, tail lights, 5 guage instrement cluster and steering wheel. Although the wheel style was changed they were not chrome wheels. 
Also in Sep 97 the 2JZ-GTE VVTI engine was introduced.
"For 1998, the radio and steering wheel were redesigned once again. The naturally aspirated engine was enhanced with VVTI"
In regard to the VVTI, this applies only to the export model, JDM 2JZ-GE was not released with VVTI.
Also, please correct vehicle profile box. Supra has never been a 3-door hatchback. It's a coupe. //andyye
:Yeah, I realize that and I have tried to set it to coupe. Almost as soon as I do it get's switched back. So I stopped bothering. ren0talk 18:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor MKIV Corrections  

message: THE Toyota Supra is Also called Toyota Supra? Should this be revised?
"i thought the also called tag" was used for example Nissan skyline gt-r aka Godzilla
Thanks for the input.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by EDIT TYPER (talk • contribs) 
:For future reference please sign your posts using ~~~. I assume the "also called" tag is for shortened versions of a name. Thus, "Toyota Supra" is the shortened version of "Toyota Celica Supra" (The original name of the car). Sort of in the same respects of the Chevrolet Camaro Super Sport, some people call them just Camaro SS. ren0talk 00:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ALSO CALLED?

message: there should be a section or at least some mention of compression ratio between the years for the mkiv supras. the naturally aspirated 2jzge is 10.1:1 and the turbo 1jzgte is 8.5:1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.136.158.253 (talk) 01:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  compression ratios between naturally aspirated and turbo versions 

message: I think everybody did a very good job building this page. It is very well organized and thought out.
...One thing that I think is needed is a picture of the Celica Supra Symbol. The Dragon.
Otherwise I think it is all good. Especially the MKIII section. Being a MKIII owner I tend to see this generation (and older) left out a lot. I am glad every generation was thuroughly described.
PulsHrd 15:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supra Page 

message: As the proud owner of a 1992 Mark III Turbo for the last eight years I would like to add a few comments. This is my first contribution to Wikipedia so please bear with me...
As I understand it the Mark III was based on the Lexus LS300 and was built in the Lexus factory. Platform, suspension, engine & drivetrain are all LS300, I believe.
The turbo version is fitted with a limited slip differential which makes the car tail happy in the wet due to lack of traction control (and attracted heavy criticism from the UK motoring press).
My car suffered from the infamous head gasket problem which destroyed the engine. In spite of it's then age (5 years) and 120,000 miles Toyota contributed 50% of the replacement engine cost, partly due to the German garage making a hames of the repair.
Another common problem with the turbo engine is the pressure blow off valve shattering its plastic sealing ring leading to poor throttle response (the blow off valve diverts pressurised air back around the intake tract on sudden throttle shut off to prevent turbo stall. It has a plastic seal just like a large tap washer. Replacement is very easy).
DesmondW 20:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark III 

message: People are always looking for supras we should talk about adding Mkivtrader.com
I'm open to any discussion about this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Parkerd (talk • contribs) 08:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a External link 

message: In response to this note at the top of the section,
Notable appearances only - or one that people can remember in 5 years time
I'd like to point out that the De Lorean DMC-12 (currently a featured article) article has pretty much every media appearance of the car including many which could be considered non-notable.  They just have to be integrated properly. ~ Dusk Knight 23:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearances in popular media 

message: How come it was removed all of a sudden. There must be an explanation. The Supra became as a popular vehicle for the Gran Turismo and Need for Speed series. What happened? Professional Gamer 23:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a discussion about it here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles#WP Guideline.  The general stance seems to be that most media appearances are not notable enough to mention, and a list of appearances makes it a trivia section.  Personally, I don't agree with this, and the trivia sections guideline is too generalized to explicitly support that conclusion.~ Dusk Knight 03:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So thats why they removed this. Professional Gamer 17:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to "Appearances in Video Games"? 

message: Where in Japan was the Supra assembled? 
Pam1855 10:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Mark IV was apparently assembled in Motomachi (see the info box).  I don't know about previous generations though.~ Dusk Knight 03:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assembly 

message: This article may be too long according to Wikipedia:Article size.  The "rule of thumb" says articles larger than 60KB probably should be split into multiple articles.  This article is currently 65KB.  Some options could be giving each generation a separate article (like Chevrolet Camaro) and "Toyota Supra in motorsports" could easily stand alone as an article.  Any thoughts or suggestions on how this should be done or if it is necessary?~ Dusk Knight 03:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good, I don't think we should split it up by generations at the moment, but we should branch off the motorsports section into its own page.  I might do it if I get a chance tonight. --Daniel J. Leivick 03:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, but could use some clean up. --Daniel J. Leivick 04:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article size 

message: Do we really need a Body Modifications section for the fourth generation Supra?  This is currently unsourced and is not written with a NPOV.  It doesn't seem notable for an encyclopedia. swaq 18:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed this since no one objected in over a week. swaq 16:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Body modifications 

message: I guess I was just lucky with the 5 7M powered cars and no blown headgaskets. The kids that pollute internet message boards have obviously been here also.
Toyota recalled problems just as all manufacturers do. But this car didn't have a problem. Owners did. The 92-95 3VZE engine in 4Runners and pickups for example, was recalled to change head gaskets. But not the Supra. Taking the stock engine and its 5 psi of boost pressure from the turbo and double or tripling the output doesn't mean the head gasket is bad, or the torque is too low. It means you are using it in a way that Toyota did not intend.
This is why the 8th and 9th generation inline 6, known as 1JZGE and 2JZGE and the turbo variants recieved factory metal gaskets. To accomidate owners that abuse products beyond what the manufacturer intended.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.68.234.2 (talk) 18:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head gasket take 2 

message: Is it worth adding a subsection - or even a line - mentioning the Red Toyota Supra Mark iii that is among the BBC's stock of older/vintage cars it uses for some shoots? It has already appeared in [Clocking Off], [Only fools and Horses] (the 2002 Christmas special - only part of the wing & door) [Doctors] (in 2004) and [Eastenders]. The same car has just appeared in the background of [BBC_Television_Centre] on the News Channel just now.
132.185.240.120 (talk) 16:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearances in popular media - UK TV Series 

message: User:Regushee has proposed that Toyota Celica XX be merged into Toyota Supra.  Stepho  talk  02:21, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. I think. I'm getting a bit bored with merging everything.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Just reading the section titled "JZA70 and GA70" and noticed a statement that implies the 2.5GT Twin Turbo R is the only model to have front brake ducts in the front lip. I Quote "A special version of the 1JZ-GTE equipped JZA70, the 2.5 Twin Turbo R, had a Torsen differential, Bilstein suspension, larger diameter sway bars, Recaro seats, Momo wheel and gear knob and matching interior trim. The front lip included front brake ducts."
This isn't correct as there are many JZA70's with this specific feature. I have many pictures to back up this claim but am unsure if they would suffice? (wiki noob here)
Please advise...
--Towawi (talk) 11:24, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As I read it, it says the 2.5GT Twin Turbo R has brake ducts in the front lip but does not say this is an exclusive feature of this vehicle. Therefore it says nothing about whether other A70 Supras have this feature.  Stepho  talk  22:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Correction to "JZA70 and GA70" Section 

message: In terms of history. Toyota Motor Sales is an American Company whose parent company is Toyota Motor co out of Japan. They have made things up for American markets. Go here to see vehicle history. http://www.toyota-global.com/company/history_of_toyota/75years/vehicle_lineage/family_tree/index.html.
Go to Supra. The model starts in 1986, and there are only 2 of them. And neither is "mark 1" and up. - signed 2602:306:3ae4:ad20:90ca:54c3:8bb7:286f
:From the same website: http://www.toyota-global.com/company/history_of_toyota/75years/vehicle_lineage/car/id60010185/
:The website you linked to is based on the Japanese market. In Japan the 6 cylinder Celica was known as the Celica XX. The same vehicle was sold as the Celica Supra in non-Asian markets. Production started in April 1978 as the MA45 (2 litre M engine, Japan only) and the MA46 (2.6 litre 4M engine, worldwide).
:The article already says the "Mark" names are something made up by American enthusiasts. We use it only because it is so well known by enthusiasts but we also note that it is unofficial.  Stepho  talk  22:33, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The entire page is wrong. 

message: Is this many really necessary?
The 5M and 7m engines are  direct descendants of the 2000GT's power plant. There needs to be no citation from my perspective.
There's a tag on the fact that all supra's have inline 6 engines. The whole Supra gimmick comes from being a Celica with an inline 6. That's Supra.
Someone went crazy with the [citation needed] tags.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.57.18.99 (talk) 12:03, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for removing them. Somebody obviously got a bit power crazed in the past when they added them.  Stepho  talk  07:53, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted the remaining ones. They looked awful! OSX (talk • contributions) 12:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  So many [citation needed]! 

message: The J90 N.America version is expected to sell for  (entry model),  (premium model) or  (Launch Edition) acording to https://www.motor1.com/news/300919/2020-toyota-supra-pricing-us/ . Or  (entry model),  (premium model) or  (Launch Edition) according to https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-toyota-supra-priced-starting-at-50920/ . Don't you just love how the magazines agree with their facts copied from Toyota. Both references are in the article.  Stepho  talk  20:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the source of the problem. There is a US$930 destination charge that some sources count and some don't. See https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a12635049/2019-toyota-supra-what-we-know/  Stepho  talk  04:35, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a price guide so please keep all the BS related to pricing off this article.  U1 quattro TALK 04:59, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You're replied to an obsolete discussion. Just saying. 182.30.133.131 (talk) 15:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  J90 

message: The current Supra is manufactured by BMW. This can be confirmed by the data plate and VIN of all new Supras, which say “manufactured by Bavarian Motor Werke” and have a BMW “Z” in the vin certification and no Toyota “T” to be found. The info box and opening line needs to correctly state that this car is not manufactured by Toyota presently and is instead a BMW.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:200:4201:BBE3:343D:3795:E5DA:3798 (talk) 20:55, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there any reliable sources that state that? Not just that it has that VIN or was made in that plant, making conclusions from those factors is not permitted (WP:SYNTH) so we would need a cite that says BMW is the manufacturer not Toyota, this should be from a respected publication and if you can find it, more than one. Toasted Meter (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Similar ideas have been expressed before for cars sold under multiple brands or names. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles/Archive_16#The_Pontiac_Vibe_debacle for some ideas. For me, the manufacturer name that appears on the vehicle's license papers (which normally follows the name on the badge) is what should be used here, regardless of which company's factory it was assembled in.  Stepho  talk  10:42, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  BMW manufactured the new Supra 

message: I just thought you'd like to know. --129.106.31.181 (talk) 15:12, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Supra has appeared in numerous notable appearances 

message: The fifth generation Supra is marketed as the GR Supra in the United States and Canada, and just simply Supra everywhere else in the world. Just thought I should put that out there. I find it bizarre that it is not mentioned in the section. Eightsixofakina (talk) 01:57, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. It was a bit of a reaction to previous attempts to make it only known as the GR Supra, no matter what market. Your change is good.  Stepho  talk  04:34, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I just wanted to clear that up before someone quickly undid my revision. Eightsixofakina (talk) 05:16, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  GR Supra 

message: The affection towards the A80 in this article is very strong which goes against the WP: NPOV policy. This is an informative article, it wasn't created to please the fans of the A80 and the like. The constant tries to get the image of the A80 in the main infobox highlights this bias. U1 quattro TALK 01:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A80 bias 

message: I have just noticed the Toyota Supra (J29/DB) article. It is practically identical to the J29/DB section of the Toyota Supra article. I suspect it was copied from an earlier version. It is patently stupid to maintain practically identical copies in parallel. So I'm asking the community if they prefer to keep all the Supra information in this one large article (with the J29/DB being changed into a redirect to here) or to split the large article into separate, generational articles with simple summaries left here? My preference is to split it.  Stepho  talk  21:49, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be split. Toasted Meter (talk) 23:17, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Took me a little longer than it should have but I finally removed most of the J29 info and left just the infobox, a short summary, a link to the real article at Toyota Supra (J29/DB) and a small number of images. That should make maintenance much easier.  Stepho  talk  11:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Went bold and removed the infobox from the main article to avoid repeating the same information in multiple articles, I hope that's OK. Andra Febrian (talk) 13:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. Stepho  talk  22:07, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: From my research the 1983 Toyota Celica supra, early 83 speedometer was the 85  later  83 model year it was switched to the 130 mph speedometer. KingCoolRobert (talk) 17:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you talking about world-wide markets or just a specific market? Are you using calendar years (as used by most of the world) or model years (as used by the US and its captive markets) ? The article is written in terms of calendar years.  Stepho  talk  22:48, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  1983 speedometer versus 1984