Talk:The Red Paintings

message: Lead singer Trash McSweeney claimed in the Australian newspaper 'mX' (08 December 2011) that he can recall being abducted by aliens between the ages of seven to fifteen. He could become a famous UFO oabductee/experiencer. Eligius (talk) 15:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Claim being the key word.  Trashy just makes stuff up to be cool , outthere etc. Only his fanboy fans think he's not lieing about seeing coulours when he hears music.  Pfft!Give me a break...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.56.93 (talk) 00:22, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged Alien Abduction of Lead Singer Trash McSweeney 

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message: The article reads like a PR kit. Locbo (talk) 17:11, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant self-promotion 

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message: I would like to request a deletion of this artist page. I am the article subject, I regard yourself as a non-notable, private person, and the artical/page to be deleted. Many of the items included have been fabricated. Thanks Trash McSweeney.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theredpaintings (talk • contribs) 21:28, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page deletion.  

message: In March 2022, after the AfD of this article was settled as Keep, an unidentified user,  deleted content and related references, which supported that content. Significantly they deleted the band's early EPs, and McSweeney's non-performance name.
Both are detailed by AllMusic's history of Red Paintings (written by Jody McGregor), available at archived copy. McGregor writes, "Eccentric lead singer Jamie Barrett, who calls himself Trash McSweeney," and "They released three EPs independently -- Angel Flummox, Reality, and Cinema Love -- before McSweeney left Geelong and relocated to Brisbane." See current ref [4].
The above user has modified the AllMusic ref (removing its archive-url) to lead to a generic AllMusic page, which does not show the band's history.
Furthermore the user claims, in edit summaries, that content is not supported by sources after having removed or modified them!
I have reverted the most recent edits by that user and ask them to discuss these matters here to arrive at a consensus on the article's content.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:32, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems you are very bias to the artist in question and in attack mode yourself? Why does this page now look like the most successful UNKNOWN artists to come of Australia? Well done for spending countless hours on finding long lost, no body actual cares, material to prove your point.  85.56.220.216 (talk) 21:03, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any connection with the artist, their management or their fandom? Why do you want their history deleted? Please do not hurl accusations at editors who are trying to improve the article.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:19, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You are not "improving" as it was much more bias before you even started adding so much pointless and damaging content. Why are you so obsessed with the band and page? YOU must spent hours and hours on this? All you are doing is airing negative articles and tainting the bands future. I bet this band, now based on this page, will never be heard of again. 85.56.220.216 (talk) 01:08, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible disruptive editing 

message: Listed as appearing at Camden Rocks Festival, North London in June 2018.
In addition, while you have pointed out a 2018 Camden Rocks event, I can confirm that the band did not play this event, nor were they ever confirmed for a venue or time. In fact, they were removed from all promotions.
:Where is your evidence for this?22:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  2018 Festival appearance? 

message: On behalf of Trash McSweeney, I am trying to get his real identity removed from this page for privacy reasons. Per WP:OSPOL removal of such non-public information can be requested, "Identities of pseudonymous or anonymous individuals who have not made their identity public." As his real name is not public any longer, we are requesting this removal. Currently there are also not any reliable citations to support his real identity and also all Red Painting song credits are to the name Trash McSweeney. Per WP:COMMONNAME, the most common name should be used. I have already removed the name per the instructions on WP:OSPOL . Please do not add it back. I have also emailed the Oversight team about this. Brotherlouie1 (talk) 07:34, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Consider the phrase "who have not made their identity public" from WP:OSPOL. During the early history of this group the founding mainstay performed, recorded and gave interviews under his "real name" until about 2004. This name was revealed publicly more than 20 years ago. About six months or so after relocating to Brisbane his performance name was changed, however his "real name" (non-performance name) was still used for song writing credits until about March 2022 (after the two AfDs). Again this information was publicly available until that time. The band appears to have had no verifiable activity since about 2018, hence the "real name" or non-performance name was used publicly throughout the band's history. Other artists have changed their performance names and may use various preferred names during their performance lifespan. If they have an article in Wikipedia then their non-performance name is generally supplied where it has been publicly used. In this case it was reported by various websites describing this band's early history.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Secondly, you cite WP:OPSOL to protect the "Identities of pseudonymous or anonymous individuals". Does this apply to Trash McSweeney? See Jensen (ref [7]) from 2007, where Jensen states "His name is not a pseudonym but the result of his Hungarian heritage". If this claim is true how does WP:OSPOL apply?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:38, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I cleaned up the article some more today. Since the frontman is known in the media as Trash McSweeney, his real name at birth is could be considered fan trivia and I think it can be left out of the article, with no harm done. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS)  14:42, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

text: @Shaidar cuebiyar Per wiki policies the most common name should be used and wiki policies state that they do honor requests of individuals that want private info removed, as long as it is not widely available. There are also currently not any reliable sources for his previous name. If you search Google, what comes up are from unreliable sources such as music directories, album listing sites, and interviews, none of which are considered to be reliable sources. In order to even cite such info, reliable sources are needed. Please respect his wishes and let this go. Brotherlouie1 (talk) 21:21, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Privacy Issue 

message: Hello . It seems like The Red Paintings' member has hired a reputation mangement firm to whitewash this article. User:Cornertrent was blocked recently and I highly suspect others are socks too. Please review this whole article and readd anything which was recently removed by some accounts groomed in specific niche by Expertwikiguy. It seems they hired them in September 2022, so accounts created after September 2022 are groomed for this specific purpose. 194.156.79.92 (talk) 09:15, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expertwikiguy