Talk:Jewish name

message: I have a idea (if move to another page)
:Onomastikon on Judaism and Jewish History
:--Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 08:53, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Idea 

message: I would like to sort/resort some names, like Ashkenazi, Kalischer, and others, to reflect their origin as names which derive from a geographic location. Ususally such a name occurs when a native of one place moves to another, and is described in the new place in terms of his former residence. If there is no discussion, I will begin in one week's time.ThuranX 02:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geographically derived surnames 

message: The article would be greatly improved by editing and repositioning the many German surnames now listed as "Others". Ideally, each would be followed by a gloss noting the English meaning of the name (cf. "Leder"). NB: I myself don't have the requisite knowledge; I'm devoting my efforts to the Hebrew. -- Thanks, Deborahjay 04:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many German surnames in "Others" 

message: The story of surnames that were "forced on" Jews who refused to take a surname or couldn't come up with a sufficient bribe is known as the "Ekelnamen" (horrid-names) story.  It is largely myth.  Franzos is one of the few sources for it; most others quote him with or without attribution.  
The problem with the story is that some of the surnames mentioned are not humorous, ugly, or otherwise remarkable (Diamant, Edelstein); or have a known origin (Katzenellenbogen is not a cat's elbow but rather the Bavarian town that was home to a rabbinic dynasty); or are very hard to document in actual vital records.  Franzos reports these names as coming from Galizia; other stories connect them to New East Prussia between the 3rd partition of Poland (1795) and the Treaty of Tilsit (1806).  
Before editing or removing this passage, I'd like to ask for sources or other evidence.  I'm quite willing to be proved wrong.RogerLustig 14:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surnames 

message: The German part has me puzzled.  First of all, how are any of the names given as "Christian" actually such?  Germanic, yes; but none of those names is connected to a saint or anything else particularly Christian.
Next, was Knoblauch really used as a given name?  I'd love an example.
::some examples Knoblauch  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.42.254.110 (talk) 21:32, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Spain, Portugal, France, England and Germany 

message: The assertion: "A certain number of names which might at first sight seem to be derived artificially are merely names of towns, like Birnbaum (translated into "Peartree"), Rosenberg, Sommerfeld, Grünberg (hence Greenberg), Goldberg, and Rubenstein." strikes me as over-general.  To be sure, there are towns with those names; but given the wealth of other names with the -berg suffix (Silberberg, Steinberg, Blumberg, Kronenberg, Sternberg), and the many other highly similar compound names (Grünzweig, Grünfeld, Grünbaum, Grünthal) I think the term "merely" could profitably be replaced by "sometimes."  After all, How many Jews ever lived in the cities of Rosenberg (Upper Silesia) or Rosenberg (West Prussia) before the era of surname adoption? RogerLustig 15:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: -berg German for hill and mountain is not a common only part of  towns' or villiges' names, but also an very common part of a hill or mountains name - so Rosenberg can be named after a town called that way or a hill/mountain called that way as well (usually if that person lived in that town or at/near that hill) 78.43.149.68 (talk) 12:03, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: and there a more towns called Rosenberg as well Rosenberg, Baden, Rosenberg (Ostalb), Sulzbach-Rosenberg as a few exampels 78.43.149.68 (talk) 12:06, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Local names 

message: Are Huber, Frank and Bartel Jewish surnames? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.169.243.251 (talk) 14:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: well they are German names, hold by both German Jews and German Goyim 95.208.187.120 (talk) 19:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jews in Franconia 

message: Is this article generally accurate? The way the purchase/assignation of desirable/undesirable names is not given in the same way in the Wikipedia article. Badagnani 07:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not particularly accurate.  It's a mishmosh of incomplete, inaccurate, sometimes misleading information.  Some of the translations are wrong, and at least one is misspelled in an unintentionally humorous way.  In general, the "Ekelnamen" (ugly name, i.e., assigned in spite or for lack of bribe) business is a myth.  Many of the names volunteered as allegedly being of that type were actually fairly common among Gentiles too; others are not identifiably derogatory.  Moreover, the evidence for many of these names ever having been assigned or used is very hard to find.  See Beider's books on surnames for more. RogerLustig (talk) 16:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undesirable names/payment for names 

message: Reverted Angelafromtheblue's deletion of Hollander from "general place-name-derived surnames."  The problem is much more general and complicated, to wit:
• Hardly any surnames are exclusively "Jewish"--most can be found among Gentiles as well.
• "Holla[e]nder" is indeed the surname of many Jews.
• On the other hand, it's not necessarily a toponym (i.e., derived from a place-name).  "Hollaender" can also mean "dairyman."  (So can "Schweitzer.")
• Much of the text in this article, probably including the passage in question, is from the century-old Jewish Encyclopedia.  There's little point in picking at individual items.  Serious rewrites or amplifications of sections are more worthwhile.
• Especially the parts that are simply wrong and/or outdated, like the "Ekelnamen" business.RogerLustig (talk) 16:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is/Isn't/Ain't Jewish 

message: I seriously doubt that anyone would ridicule people by naming them like that. Stinker, piglet stomach.. wwwhat? Where's the citation for these names? Even though it's true that Yiddish/German-Jewish names are often funny (like Spielberg = play/game mountain or Liberman = loverman/dear man), these ones seem over the top and fake. I tried Googling Pulverbestandtheil but there are only 9 hits and all of them point to Wikipedia. --nlitement [talk] 11:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pulverbestandtheil? 

message: Please see Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_July_6#Category:Jewish_surnames. Badagnani (talk) 22:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish surnames category deleted again; see discussion

message: A search for a page named Geldschrank leads here, surprisingly. The German word Geldschrank is a common noun meaning "safe deposit." It is not a family name, as far as I know: if it were Yiddish, it would be probably be spelled Geltschrank (in the Latin alphabet).
The word occurs in the novel  The Da Vinci Code, defining the fictional Depository Bank of Zurich. WP once had an article on this bank, which actually had a fake website, created by the novel's publisher. A WP search for "Depository Bank of Zurich" now leads to the article on the novel, unsurprisingly.
Donfbreed (talk) 23:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Geldschrank

message: I was surprised to find my name in the article David Gans who lived so long ago. It re-awakend my curiosity: do names like Gans, Katz, Hund, Fuchs, Loew, which are German names for animals, have a common origin in place or time? Petergans (talk) 18:21, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal names 

message: Namensänderungsverordnung ("Regulation of Name Changes") was a law that passed on 17 August 1938 that forced Jews to assume a name from a list of names considered Jewish. Accordingly all Jewish men carried one of these Hebrew first names and all had to add the middle name Israel. Also all Jewish women were assigned the middle name Sarah. The pre-approved names were: 
*Male: Abel, Abieser, Abimelech, Abner, Absalom, Ahab, Ahasja, Ahasver, Akiba, Amon, Anschel, Aron, Asahel, Asaria, Ascher, Asriel, Assur, Athaija, Awigdor, Awrum, Bachja, Barak, Baruch, Benaja, Berek, Berl, Boas, Bud, Chaggai, Chai, Chajin, Chamor, Chananja, Chanoch, Chaskel, Chawa, Chiel, Dan, Denny, Elim, Efraim, Ehud, Eisig, Eli, Elias, Elihu, Eliser, Eljakim, Elkan, Enoch, Esau, Esra, Ezechiel, Faleg, Feibisch, Feitel, Feiwel, Feleg, Gad, Gdaleo, Gedalja, Gerson, Gideon, Habakuk, Hagai, Hemor, Henoch, Herodes, Hesekiel, Hillel, Hiob, Hosea, Isaac, Isai, Isachar, Isboseth, Isidor, Ismael, Israel, Itzig, Jachiel, Jaffe, Jakar, Jakusiel, Jescheskel, Jechiel, Jehu, Jehuda, Jehusiel, Jeremia, Jerobeam, Jesaja, Jethro, Jiftach, Jizehak, Joab, Joehanan, Joel, Jomteb, Jona, Jonathan, Josia, Juda, Kainan, Kaiphas, Kaleb, Korach, Laban, Lazarus, Leew, Leiser, Levi, Lewek, Lot, Lupu, Machol, Maim, Malchisua, Maleachi, Manasse, Mardochai, Mechel, Menachem, Moab, Mochain, Mordeschaj, Mosche, Moses, Nachschon, Nachum, Naftali, Nathan, Naum, Nazury, Nehab, Nehemia, Nissim, Noa, Nochem, Obadja, Orew, Oscher, Osias, Peisach, Pinchas, Pinkus, Rachmiel, Ruben, Sabbatai, Sacher, Sallum, Sally, Salo, Salomon, Salusch, Samaja, Sami, Samuel, Sandel, Saudik, Saul, Schalom, Schaul, Schinul, Schmul, Schneur, Schoachana, Scholem, Sebulon, Semi, Sered, Sichem, Sirach, Simson, Teit, Tewele, Uri, Uria, Uriel, Zadek, Zedekia, Zephanja, Zeruja, Zewi.
*Female: Abigail, Baschewa, Beile, Bela, Bescha, Bihri, Bilba, Breine, Briewe, Brocha, Chana, Chawa, Cheiche, Cheile, Chinke, Deiche, Dewaara, Driesel, Egele, Faugel, Feigle, Feile, Fradchen, Fradel, Frommet, Geilchen, Gelea, Ginendel, Gittel, Gole, Hadasse, Hale, Hannacha, Hitzel, Jachel, Jachewad, Jedidja, Jente, Jezabel, Judis, Jyske, Jyttel, Keile, Kreindel, Lane, Leie, Libsche, Libe, Liwie, Machle, Mathel, Milkele, Mindel, Nacha, Nachme, Peirche, Pesschen, Pesse, Pessel, Pirle, Rachel, Rause, Rebekka, Rechel, Reha, Reichel, Reisel, Reitzge, Reitzsche, Riwki, Sara, Scharne, Scheindel, Scheine, Schewa, Schlämche, Semche, Slowe, Sprinze, Tana, Telze, Tirze, Treibel, Zerel, Zilla, Zimle, Zine, Zipora, Zirel, Zorthel.
Apparently names such as Hans, Joachim, Peter, Julius, Elisabeth, Maria, Sofie, Charlotte were considered as totally Germanized so weren't discriminated. http://dagobertobellucci.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/reich-citizenship-law-of-25th-september-1935/ http://www2.gvsu.edu/jippingc/Holocaust/Second%20Decree%20Implementing%20The%20Law%20Concerning%20The%20Change%20In%20Family%20Names.htm http://thecensureofdemocracy.150m.com/text13.htm --151.41.160.11 (talk) 12:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why you would bring up Peter (a Greek translation of a Hebrew name, Kefas, but was that even used as a name before our Lord gave it to Simon?), Julius, a Roman name, or Charlotte, a Frenchified version of a Germanic name (viz., the female form of Charles) as "sufficiently Germanized so they were not discriminated against as Jewish" is probably as little clear as why the Nazis included Isidor. That said, we might debate whether the names were discriminated against, or rather the Jews and even specifically those who had none of these names (who had to take Israel or Sara as additional name).--2001:A61:260D:6E01:8480:AEE8:28A4:FF51 (talk) 20:17, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Nazi Germany

message: They have inserted information, possible WP:OR, in round robin of articles using the Main article template pointing to 3 or more articles and not in one of these articles is the information sourced.  There is information that has been requested for citations from 2009!!! and in all fairness I could just delete any paragraphs with no citations since the request is 5 years old. 24.241.69.99 (talk) 08:52, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone has been playing sourcing games 

message: This surname is Italian Jewish and this means gorse. Documented variants: Bast, De Baste, Baszta or Basta, Bastan, Baztan, Bastia, Bastianelli, Bastianello, Bastianini, Bastianino, Bastiano, Bastien, Bastian, Bastin, Bastiaen, Bastiaens, Bastiand, Bastianaggi, Bastianel, Bastianello, Bastianelli, Bastianini, Bastet, Bastiat, Bastiaen, Bastiaens, Bastiaenssens, Bastel, Basteau, Bastaraud, Bastareaud, Basterot.
--Aluf 01:01, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bastiani 

message: The actual creator of, and main contributor to this page, Sheynhertz-Unbayg, who was indeffinitely blocked in 2006 (him or whoever took over his user name), wrote immensely much, but w/o indicating sources. Now we're stuck with a humongous amount of good material (and Unbayg knows how many mistakes; or none?), which has no source to support it or place one can go and check on it. Just stating the obvious. If Sheynhertz-Unbayg really was/is one person, it seems to me from the violent tone of his last contributions that he simply went mad. Beware of too much Wikipedia :) Arminden (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of sources (ever since Sheynhertz-Unbayg)