Talk:Immigration reduction in the United States

message: The new history section will need a lot of work, I'm sure. It still needs a paragraph about how the border enforcement advocates fit in. How about something on the movement's influence on federal legislation or policy making? In any case, it's a start. Help filling in the blanks and correcting the errors is appreciated. -Willmcw 08:29, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: How do people feel about renaming this article from "Immigration reduction" to "United States immigration reduction"? The article seems to have a very strong US-centric viewpoint to me - it is not generally about reducing migration everywhere, but specifically to the USA. Comments? --Scott Davis Talk 12:08, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The first sentence states that this is a political movement in the U.S. Unless there are different immigration reduction movements in other countries that would lead to confusion, I don't see a need for changing the title. -Willmcw 17:43, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
The first sentence contains ...within the United States and elsewhere... and ...the United States or other countries. This has confused at least one editor trying to use this article to support views that appear POV in Immigration to Australia. I was hoping that if this article was more clearly targetted as a USA concept, it would address some of the POV concerns here, and make it clearer to that author that this article does not apply to Australia. --Scott Davis Talk 22:59, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Wouldn't the Australian immigration reduction movement be covered under the articles Pauline Hanson and One Nation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.160.169.165 (talk) 08:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose renaming. This is a general topic that now has some worldwide data. If and when the article becomes cumbersomely large, one could think of having subarticles on France, Australia, USA, Denmark, Belize, etc. Tynetrekker (talk) 17:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  rename? 

message: Fellow editors: In an article about "immigration reduction," please quit trying to ridicule people who are opposed to mass, unrestricted illegal immigration, and also quit trying to expunge any mention of the illegal immigration controversy from an article entitled "immigration reduction." In the last several months, both tactics have made the article--or its introduction, anyway--seem ignorant as hell. 70.244.245.101 21:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey, uh... 

message: The article has been stable for a long time. Please explain major changes. -Will Beback · † · 16:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that the article has been stable is no excuse for not editing it.  Edits are not discouraged.  Reversions generally are.-198.97.67.58 19:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please explain the problem with the old text. It appears that you completely re-wrote two sections. -Will Beback · † · 20:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Changes which adhere to the three pillars of Wikipedia do not need to be defended.  We should be bold.  The more relevant question, considering that reversions are discouraged is why you want to ignore the edict to be bold in editing?-  Which is not to say that "why not?" is the only reason.  There are problems with the version you are reverting to.  But there's no need to defend edits which adhere to the three pillars, so I'm not going to do it.  Reversions, however, are a different story - as I said, they are discouraged.75.179.159.240 01:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can't explain what was wrong with the old material, or why you made the changes, then I'll edit the material. -Will Beback · † · 02:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you revert without explaining why, then I'll revert your revert.-75.179.159.240 21:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I restored a section that got deleted and added a {fact} tag - let's see if we can add inline sources for this material before deleting it.  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 08:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: I got a chuckle out of the crude smear tactic of including extensive discussion of the American Nazi Party as being prominent among immigration reductionists. Also, very subtle juxtaposing FAIR with the Nazis. The guilt by association tactic is tired, having been worked to death by pro-Open Borders groups like La Raza and its adherents. 
I am sure the Jewish director of FAIR would be surprised to learn of his association with the Nazi party (to the extent that latter boogeyman even exists outside the fevered imagination of the SPLC). HedgeFundBob (talk) 16:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That was added recently. While there's no question that the ANP are anti-immigration, they are not a notable part of the overall movment. I've reverted the changes.  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 22:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice smear (extreme POV) 

message: As it is only about the United States, this article should be renamed to something like United States immigration reduction movement. While there are similar movements in other countries, this article makes no mention of them; for the time being, surely it should be renamed to reflect that? (I see this was discussed earlier on the talk page, but there wasn't consensus for a move then. Perhaps there will be now.) Robofish (talk) 00:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, a year later and no objections, so I'll move the page. Robofish (talk) 16:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be renamed 

message: The preceding discussions have not resolved the central problem with this article - the fact that it consists of original research. For it to be a valid Wikipedia article the subject would have to be recognized as a phenomenon of note by reputable neutral sources (in this case other encyclopedias, or general guides to American politics for example). This article does not cite any such sources. Wikipedia is not the place to string together a history of people and organizations that share similar views and then expand on those views - this could be seen as trying to give a from of legitimacy and currency to otherwise contentious ideas. Nofoto (talk) 08:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is 'original research' 

message: Article is Growing anti-immigrant sentiment in Europe from the late 2000s, deletion discussion here.--Sum (talk) 14:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article deletion discussion on anti-immigrant sentiment in contemporary Europe 

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message: The article contains many, many unsourced assertions. For starters, the entire "Reasons for reducing immigration" section which contains only a single reference; it all appears to be Original Research. I intend to delete the section in the next day or two, unless someone can convince me that it deserves to stay. There is a lot of other OR including entire paragraphs without a single reference. I will gladly listen to anyone who has a different opinion or thinks the material can be saved. Please ping me, in case I don't see your reply. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no one has objected I am going to remove the section. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:14, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is POV and much of its material is unsourced