Talk:Scouse

message: There was a  template inserted on this page for no apparent reason, with no attempt made to justify it. I have removed it. Previously there was a cleanup notice, but I can't see any need for that as the article seems to be a perfectly reasonable linguistics discussion of the Scouse accent. -- Arwel 11:10, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The first case - I think the glottal stop article explains what it is reasonably well. Anyway, this is not a POV issue, which is used when two contributors are disputing the contents of an article - a cleanup request would be more appropriate. -- Arwel 19:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: POV check

message: Are there not grounds that the word 'scouse' is of Viking origin? They settled in the Wirral and Lancashire in the 10th C after being ejected from Ireland, and  (though I'm admittedly looking for a reliable source) "scouse" is purportedly a Viking word for "marsh" and also "stew"; Scandinavians still eat Lobscaus. Being such a marshy region at the time, it could have been used to describe the region just as "Liverpool" does. Given that many placenames on the Wirral still have Viking origins there seems to be a logical follow-through.
:The German comes from the English, see Scouse (food) for the origins of "lobscouse", and the Norwegian may well come from the English, too:
:The Norwegian dictionary online says that 'lapskaus' comes from the English "lobscouse", while the Danish dictionary says that 'labskovs' comes from the English "Lobscouse".  Saint|swithin 12:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Viking sources?

message: Is the first line of the article the best place for this info? Also note that there is no reference to 'Pook' in East Sussex --jazzle 09:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pook? 

message: Thats hardly scouse specific is it?  Hear all over the country probably and definetely in London
:Perhaps not, but maybe it originated in Liverpool like many words taken for granted across Britain, such as "shag" and "made up". Pobbie Rarr 02:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nob'ead? 

message: Why was he deleted?  When he isn't using an accent he sounds exactly like Ringo Starr.70.249.240.12 09:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Christian Bale is Welsh. SteveLamacq43 00:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So? I've heard Scouse accents well into North Wales before the Welsh accent starts. Being a different nationality doesn't change your accent neccessarily  Big Moira 21:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Bale 

message: There seems to be quite a lot here about the food "scouse" which isn't at Scouse (food). I'm rather loth to move it, though, as it all seems to be unsourced, and the part I did research into mostly turns out not to fit in with what it says in the dictionaries. Maybe whoever wrote it here could provide some sources and then move it to the food article? It makes more sense to have it there. Saint|swithin 12:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Scouse (food)]]

message: HorshamScouse (talk) 01:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  North Hampdenshire?? 

message: Whilst Anne Robinson can certainly trace her roots back to Liverpool, I think it is unlikely you would find many people who considered her to have a scouse accent, or even really a north west accent.  American (and other) readers of this page who may be familiar with Ms Robinson from her work on the 'US Weakest Link', but otherwise unfamiliar with Liverpool could be mislead into believing her accent is indicitive of the accent of the wider city population. Unless there are serious objections, I will remove her entry after giving people a chance to respond.  Midnightsun2007 (talk) 22:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've been wondering about a number of the celebs in the "Scouse-speaking personalities" section. Is Tom Baker's accent "Scouse"? I think the entire list should be reviewed. Simply being from Liverpool shouldn't be the only criteria. 70.20.160.187 (talk) 23:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

text: It's not that i'm against b and z list artists etc but surely it is not for that it should just be a small list of examples of really well known people in differnt fields. Clearly the likes of Wayne Rooney and Steven Gerrard, Stephen Graham, Gerry Marsden, for example, are all well known. Babydoll9799 (talk) 18:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scouse speaking celebs 

message: I feel the 'g' in Nijmegen is not voiceless, as the -ch- in Bach is, and as the IPA-spelling x denotes. The text says Liverpudlian pronounces 'back' with a sound as in Nijmegen, or Spanish naranja (of which I do not know the exact pronounciation.). Anybody know for sure whether the text is correct as it stands? Classical geographer (talk) 13:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronounciation: back - Bach - Nijmegen

message: "The term [Scouse] remained a purely local word until its popularisation in the sitcom 'Till Death Us Do Part' . . . ." - Although I cannot bring counter-references immediately to bear, I find this assertion very questionable.
During the 3 decades preceding that TV serial, a sizeable proportion of the adult British population served in or with the Armed Forces or the Merchant Navy during and after WW2. That service both spread about and mixed together UK 'regional groups' (Scousers, Geordies, Cockneys, Taffies, etc), and few people in the Services or in any maritime, urban or military-heavy area would not have encountered some Liverpudlians and be aware of the (usually affectionate) terms Scouse and Scouser. The "Scouse git" featured in TDUDP may have helped to maintain consciousness of them (as perhaps did 'The Liver Birds'), but I suggest that they were already in UK-wide usage. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am old enough to remember before Till Death Us Do Part nicknamed all Liverpudlians "Scousers". The word "Scouse" was not used to define the people or accent. Many, myself included, regard the word as derogatory and offensive. These days a Scouser is regarded as a Working Class Liverpudlian with a heavy accent. Educated, well spoken Liverpudlians tend not to like the word "Scouser" being directed at them and outsiders tend not to call them Scousers.78.105.239.54 (talk) 10:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Scouse" local usage only before 'Till Death Us Do Part"? 

message: I wholeheartedly agree with this: "The Scouse accent of the early 21st century is markedly different in certain respects to that of earlier decades... Over the last few decades the accent is no longer a melange but has started to develop further. One could compare the way George Harrison and John Lennon spoke in the old Beatles films such as Hard Day's Night and compare with modern Scousers such as Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher."  I am wondering if the change accent has evolved naturally, or has derived from an affected pronunciation used by the Scally culture which emerged some 15-20 years ago?  There certainly never used to be words ending with a hard 'K' sound ("like", "bike", "book" etc etc) that now have an insubstantial hissy, airy sound in their place ("lykh", "bykh", "boookh").
Guv2006 (talk) 12:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Evolution Or Affectation?

message: As recorded on Talk:Lancashire_dialect_and_accent
I don't think this is true at all. Of course, it's a well known fact about the small influx of Liverpudlians settling in these towns, but it doesn't necessarily infer the younger generations of native Widnesians and St Heleners speak with a scouse accent. An index of metals (talk) 19:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Widnes & St Helens 

message: At some point I think in the 80's it suddenly became common to talk of a Liverpudlian as a 'Scouser" rather than a "Scouse" - now I know it sort of makes more sense ( A scouser obviously being someone who eats scouse), but it's sort of re-writing history. I remember right through the 70's Yorkshire football teams singing the racist chant "I'd rather be a Paki than a scouse" - never scouser (and my apologies to anyone offended by that - it was and is racist and derogatory).
Why the change ? and when ?
78.32.193.115 (talk) 21:27, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scouse or Scouser 

message: It says "Scousers often call people from outside their region as "woollyback kebles". I have never heard of "kebles". What's that? As far as i am aware it is straight forward woollyback's. Babydoll9799 (talk) 11:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: the term "Woollybacks"

message: Just wondering if something should be noted about the different traditional styles within scouse. Today these seem to be less evident but I think up until the 90's there was a clear differentiation between the accents from around Bootle to that of Dingle and Huyton. Ringo Starr and Michael Angelis had a very accent typical of Dingle. While Tom O'Connor's is very common around Bootle. The accents of footballer Mickey Quinn or the members of Frankie goes to Hollywood are common around Huyton.
Maybe there are more examples of this or even different styles?
Xenomorph1984 (talk) 21:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Variation within

message: Personally I feel that the mention of this area of north Wales in the first paragraph should be removed. Whilst I accept there may be the odd similarity between the Scouse accent and the accent of this area, I don't think many people from Merseyside or indeed the surrounding area would agree that the people of Clwyd have Scouse accents. To my mind it should be removed, what do other people think? 78.148.131.169 (talk) 12:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn't actually say that "the people of Clwyd have Scouse accents".  Its suggestion that "the accent is known to be as far reaching as Clwyd" appears to be based on this article, which says: "...Studies have found that some Scouse features, such as where the “k” sound is pronounced “kh” in words such as back, are becoming more prominent and widespread. The effect has even spread into north Wales..."  I think the wording of the article should be clarified, perhaps to say: "Some features of the Scouse accent are becoming more widespread.." - which is, I think, all that the listed sources claim.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure that there was a part of one of the articles explicitly discussing Clwyd, but a quick scan search didn't pull anything through. Maybe a ref has been lost? Will have a look. I have a suspicion it was a BBC article with interviews with people from the area but I may be mistaken. Koncorde (talk) 21:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like someone originally used a BBC blog article introducing the Wales component, however no mention of Clwyd - I can't think I would have left it in during rewriting if I hadn't also read it. However North Wales is referenced a few times as an area to which the accent is spreading (though not as explicit as to state Clwyd) in other articles  "One study found that the Scouse inflections have spread far beyond its heartland in Liverpool to places as distant as North Wales" [] etc. Finding the study would be a nice trick.Koncorde (talk) 22:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clwyd? 

message: In my preteen years in Liverpool 3 in the 1950s the vowel sound in 'fair' was never anything other than [ɛː] Pamour (talk) 09:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  fur/fair 

message: The writer(s) of this article seem to be under the impression that the replacement of 'f' and 'v' for 'th' are widespread here in Liverpool. They are not so much widespread. Voiceless 'th' is pronounced as an aspirated 't', whilst voiced 'th' is a sharp 'd' (unlike an original 'd', which, as the article corectly states, is more like a 'z') by most speakers. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 02:15, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your point is the same as mine although at first i didn't realise what you meant. Babydoll9799 (talk) 12:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The only time I have heard it is with children under the age of ten, or the odd adult here and there. It's not common at all. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 04:08, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  th > f, v 

message: A recent edit brought my attention to this; forgive me do i read this as both old and new? Scouse referring this as "baf" ? I am quite surprised. From my north Liverpool background some old Scouse and some new Scouse in their accents would never have said baf! More batth. Baf is very lazy and probably to be associated with younger people teens etc. I factor in the Irish in the Liverpool accent with so many words, like think would be tink quite often, even Wayne Rooney says this; and would never say fink! The accent is mixed alright i wonder what other variations in the accent are misrepresented here? Babydoll9799 (talk) 11:24, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How about the example for "my" when it becomes "me". I would completely agree with saying something like, me ma, or me mum, but in the example i would not say "that's me book/bewk i would have said that's my book/bewk. In the older generation the my is more southern Irish, something like "muy". I'm baffled who come up with this! Babydoll9799 (talk) 11:31, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Bath

message: I made some changes with an expansion on the pronounciation of 'book' and 'cook'. Feel free to discuss or amend if it makes it better. I had two points to change, one was the assumption that saying boo-k instead of buck was virtually exclusive to the 'northern half' of the city. No explanation with it. The other point on the example book and cook; needed expansion. 
: I have tried to offer some explanation. As i said feel free to discuss. I accept there are variations in Scouse there is also more softer accent in the south of the city like Garston and Aigburth but it is not exclusive either way. 
:: Book and cook variation is not exclusive to Liverpool, from Manchester, Lancashire, Birmingham, Newcastle, and up in to Scotland, they also mix buck and boo-k. Hope this makes sense? Babydoll9799 (talk) 13:45, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Stoke yes, Birmingham no. No one South of Stoke says ‘boo-k’, definitely no Brummie does that’s for sure. Overlordnat1 (talk) 08:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: some changes

message: Scouse is a dish traditionally eaten by the lower-class and poorer peoples of Liverpool and its environs, which gives rise to the association of the users of the accent. There is no mention of this within the article. 
Similarly, unlike, for instance Scottish, the Scouse accent is not universal to the residents of the area and it's use is frowned upon in middle and upper class families. It is even the case that social climbers try to hide the accent, with comic results - e.g. Hyacinth Bucket, Paul McCartney & Liza Tarbuck.
Perhaps this ought to be mentioned?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.253.51 (talk) 00:55, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Paul McCartney trying to hide his accent ? He was from Allerton, which even today has a different sound to carrot-chewing, scouse eating north-enders. He was not a social climber, he went to one of the top state schools in the country, as did Peter Sissons, who was head boy. I'm a taxi driver and hear different people all day in Liverpool, I now realise that scousers, mostly come from outside liverpool. The original scousers were cleared out in the 50's + 60's and went to live in the surrounding sattelite towns, their children return each saturday night with warped notions of scouseness and warped accent. As for scouse (stew), I have never heard anybody use the word to describe a meal they have had at home. Casserole-yes, stew-yes, but strangely never scouse. I am 45 from Wavertree.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.125.241 (talk) 14:39, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Lobbies is more commonly used to refer to scouse in any case. Scouse the word just became associated with the city and its people, of any social level. It's a historic reference with less relevance as years progress until eventually the origin of the phrase becomes irrelevant. See also Geordie, Mackem, Wollyback, Cockney etc for names that people commonly use for groups with little knowledge of the background. Koncorde (talk) 23:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Lobbies you will find over in Prescot and stretching into St Helens, Wigan, Manchester areas and over to Stoke and localities. The use of Lobbies has nothing to do with Liverpool, just like "Scouse" as the name of the Stew and its usage in Liverpool isn't actually that common in the younger generations (i.e. you'll likely find it in the Wartime generation). However Labskaus is the basis for the Scouser nickname - hence why it is of prominence in the article. Koncorde (talk) 00:18, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Class / Economic Background  

message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIhFwLjsQug  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.179.19.10 (talk) 02:04, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  parody 

message: An editor has said Liverpolitans is a term, does anyone agree? I read this just now and have to say I have never heard of it! Being born and bread I think I ought to know. I think it is nonsense. Is this a new trendy term? Or getting confused with the origins of Liverpool in history books? Babydoll9799 (talk) 11:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Liverpolitan is indeed a term, probably the original term for the inhabitants of Liverpool, fallen by the wayside in terms of popularity in the last century but still commonly referenced in a significant number of texts. Koncorde (talk) 20:50, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've never heard of this term. I have never heard of a Liverpool person being called a "Liverpolitan". I disagree, the origins of the city are things like Liliput, etc. Babydoll9799 (talk) 22:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: See, for example, this, this, this, this... etc.  We go by what reliable sources like these say, not what any one individual believes to be true.  "Lilliput" has absolutely no connection with anything to do with Liverpool.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:36, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

text: My mistake on "Liliput". I can't deny your evidence but I'm 40 and have never heard of "Liverpolitan". Always Liverpudlian (or Scouser). Babydoll9799 (talk) 17:53, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you ever heard of a Geordie being referred to as a Novocastrian? Koncorde (talk) 23:50, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What people have "ever heard of" is irrelevant.  We reflect what reliable sources say.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Just highlighting that other terms do exist outside of popular ones. Koncorde (talk) 08:21, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Liverpolitans?

message: Right in the first sentence, the article states that in Scouse the name Scouse is pronounced /ˈsxɑːʊs/.
Further down it says that /k/ is realised as /x/ in preconsonantal position only.
Which one is correct? Unoffensive text or character (talk) 11:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The later definition is wrong. A word such as "cock" can be pronounced "xox" by someone with an especially broad accent, which is not that uncommon. Often it's a kx though, which the later line is trying to intimate. Koncorde (talk) 22:02, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is lenition of /k/ into /x/ which tends to happen at the end of the word or between syllables. If it happens at the beginning then I agree, it is an accent variation but the realisation of /ˈsxɑːʊs/ sounds foreign to me in all cases. I would use /k/ here and the diphthong also seems off, /aʊ/ probably.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.44.229 (talk) 18:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  /k/ > /x/ in prevocalic position? 

message: What's with all the references in the lead section?  It looks increasingly absurd.  The tag at the top of the page still applies, because there are inadequate citations in the main article.  The lead, ideally, should not need any references because it should merely be a summary of the main article - WP:LEDE.   The whole article needs restructuring, to be based around proper references, rather than what people believe to be self-evidently true.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: Can I ask who has ever heard of this? There has been an edit to promote this with some very dubious citations. A figment of someone's over active imaginationBabydoll9799 (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems OK to me - , ,  ,  , etc.  The citations need to be made accessible, but if reputable academic sources use the term, so should we.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:25, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can't be serious?  Anyone could come up with a term, ie I am now saying Wirral English. So where is the proof of this other than some dubious academic? I am appalled I'm totally flabbergasted I really can't believe anyone could believe this. I can't for the life of me see any substance to this.Babydoll9799 (talk) 22:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you need to admit that you are wrong on this.   It doesn't matter if "we" (non-academics) don't routinely use the term -  it is perfectly clear that academic sources do use it.  So should an encyclopedia.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

text: Just hope there will be other people to question this. It's nonsense. I question academics etc coming up with very dubious terms and I'm sorry the sources are also dubious just because they are written does not mean that it is correct or factual. I'm gobsmacked you are agreeing with thisBabydoll9799 (talk) 22:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SCHOLARSHIP - "Material such as an article, book, monograph, or research paper that has been vetted by the scholarly community is regarded as reliable, where the material has been published in reputable peer-reviewed sources or by well-regarded academic presses."   Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  As I've said to Peter238,  I remain unmoved that it is someone's (ie an academics) imagination and it has suddenly got in to books. The term may have got the green light to the article but it does not mean it is correct or factual. Has any Scouser ever said they spoke Merseyside English? I think notBabydoll9799 (talk) 22:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe I wasn't so respectable when reverting your edit, Babydoll9799. I apologize. But talking with someone whose only arguments are various forms of the word "nonsense" is not a pleasurable experience, to say at least. May I ask why do you consider the sources I used "dubious"? Those are three different books (the oldest one is from 1990!), by three different authors. Ghmyrtle (thanks by the way) pointed you to even more sources. When adding the name "Merseyside English", I merely wanted to point out that some (most likely a minority, but who knows) people use this term. Yes, the only places I saw it were various books about phonetics/linguistics etc. But we really need to clarify something: nobody is trying to force people to use this term, nor is anybody trying to say that most people use it. And the fact that Scousers don't use this term doesn't make it wrong. Man, I don't use I don't know... 60%? 80%? of words that exist in my native language, many of which I'm not even aware of. Does that make them wrong? I really don't think so. Peter238 (talk) 22:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

text: (e/c) @Babydoll9799  The answer to your question doesn't matter.  This is (or should be) an encyclopedia based on reliable sources, not a collection of information that people - whether local or not - believe is true.  If academic phonologists and linguists use the term, so should Wikipedia - giving it due weight of course.  .  Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

text: It's not relevant what a scouser may or may not say about their own accent. Merseyside English is a bit of a messy reference (I, for one, live in Merseyside but don't have such an accent) but it's clearly referenced. I don't think it warrants a headline mention though in the lede. Koncorde (talk) 22:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well.. see WP:AT#Treatment of alternative names - "significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph."   I think the sources I've found indicate that Merseyside English is a "significant alternative name".  As my wording says, it's a term used in academic circles, not locally, but that doesn't matter - it still deserves to be mentioned in the opening sentence - as a "posh" term for Scouse, if you like. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:00, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

text: Perhaps it's too broad a term, but as far as I know there isn't one Scouse accent. You may as well have a milder version of it. Peter238 (talk) 23:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't. I don't want to get into that level of pedantry, but suffice to say the Scouse accent exists but it's far from prevalent throughout Merseyside. As for where it appears in the article - I think it currently looks bloody awful in the opening sentence, and "significant alternative names" is open to debate. Due weight for mentioning the uncommon name I would have thought better included with relevant academic discussion under phonology or something. Koncorde (talk) 23:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Scouse accent exists but it's far from prevalent throughout Merseyside" -  doesn't agree, and he goes quite deep in describing this accent. I can't really comment on the rest. Peter238 (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the links.  It's obvious from those sources that the term "Liverpool English" also needs to be added to the opening sentence.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:04, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

text: Considering all opinions, I still believe it alleges that it is FACT that Scouse is called Merseyside English, when this (in my opinion) has no substance, other than academic circles. Agh, maybe it should be rephrased to say of Scouse, indeed some academics/authors etc refer to Scouse as Merseyside English.............but there should be a definition of why that is so.Babydoll9799 (talk) 23:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is so because it is spoken in the Merseyside area. It's the same reason why Geordie is called "Tyneside English" by some scholars. Peter238 (talk) 23:11, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  No that isn't correct. It is still Scouse, just because it so happens to be spoken past the arbitrary council boundaries. It is also Merseyside "English" - which is basically another way of saying a local English accentBabydoll9799 (talk) 23:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks like you're right. The article states that "the accent is known to be as far reaching as Flintshire in Wales, Runcorn in Cheshire and Skelmersdale in Lancashire", and this sentence has lots of sources. But then there's this: "Scouse (...) is an accent and dialect of English found primarily in the Metropolitan county of Merseyside, and closely associated with the city of Liverpool." So, most probably, this name comes from the fact that Scouse is spoken primarily in the county of Merseyside. It's an unsourced statement, but would you agree? Personally, I don't know. I'd rather study phonologies of accents than their exact reach. Peter238 (talk) 23:21, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

text: I personally would have had that last piece the other way round, ie "primarily spoken in Liverpool and surrounding areas in the county of Merseyside". However I'm going to bed I've made my point it's about opinionsBabydoll9799 (talk) 23:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Scouse "or less commonly known as Merseyside English"

message: John Bishop was born in Liverpool. But moved to Cheshire and went to school there all his life. His accent is, therefore, a mix of scouse and cheshire. Many people in Liverpool think he exaggerates,.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.85.94 (talk) 13:45, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If you heard the accent of someone from Murdishaw, I don't think anyone would believe he is exaggerating. Koncorde (talk) 21:27, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Bishop is not a scouser 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: the following reference (open access) might be a useful addition: 
Juskan, Marten. 2018.  Sound change, priming, salience: Producing and perceiving variation in Liverpool English. Berlin: Language Science Press.    
http://langsci-press.org/catalog/book/210
Jasy jatere (talk) 14:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juskan book 

message: Hi everyone, just thought I'd leave a message here because I think this article, while informative, focuses too much on the accent and phonology and very little on the vocabulary associated with the dialect. I think more information should be added on the words, phrases and different vocabulary used in Liverpool and the surrounding area because Scouse/Liverpudlian is not an accent alone, but a dialect of English. I might add some myself if I have time but it would be great if other users can add some detail on this provided the information is sourced and I am happy to hear different opinions on this matter here, many thanks. Broman178 (talk) 09:02, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocabulary  

message: All three accent examples are by male voices, where are the females...? 
It would also be relevant/interesting with not only a recent example (John Bishop) but someone younger.
Three old male examples seem a bit outdated. 94.234.67.176 (talk) 06:02, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update audio samples 

message: A trait that developed as an extension of the NURSE-FAIR merger is the way that a word that ends with a schwa in RP can end with an e (or maybe ɛ) so that, for example, scouser is pronounced . Are there any reliable sources proving this obvious fact that we can find? I don’t want to be accused of original research, only to get reverted, if I add it. Overlordnat1 (talk) 15:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of a final schwa 

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