Talk:Buddy: The Buddy Holly Story

message: The plot synopsis included with this article when it was created was copied verbatim from the musical's official website. I edited it to avoid any question of copyright violations. It was expanded, making it once again too similar to the synopsis on the website. As it stands now, it serves its purpose without risking copyright violation. I suggest it remain as is. Thank you. SFTVLGUY2 21:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre was created by people who abandoned the project long ago. With new blood comes new ideas and new ways of doing things. There is nothing to be gained by either clinging to the past or making unnecessary changes to articles just for the sake of doing so. A plot summary belongs at the beginning of an article, not buried at the end, and it's not supposed to be a near copy from another source. SFTVLGUY2 21:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Facts are not copyrightable.  This description is nothing close to a copyright problem.  However, if you wish to edit it in a way that does not delete important information, that would be great.  -- Ssilvers 15:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This has nothing to do with "facts" and everything to do with your blithlely ignoring that your synopsis is a near-copy of the one on the musical's official website, which constitutes a copyright violation. SFTVLGUY2 17:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PLEASE stop referring to my removal of your copyright-violating synopsis as "vandalism." Your childish games are becoming tiresome. SFTVLGUY2 17:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Despite your claims to the contrary, it is very similar to the synopsis on the musical's official website. I'm destroying nothing, and to be accused of such by someone who whiles away his hours editing the work of others, while I have created nearly 400 original articles, most of them theatre-oriented, doesn't disturb me in the least. SFTVLGUY2 19:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Synopsis

message: It does seem like quite a few of the sentences in the article read almost exactly like the official website.  Perhaps you two could take a look at particular sentences and rewrite them?  That way the copyvio material would be rewritten, while the article can keep the important information.  Just a suggestion... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: SatyrTN has a point, you both do a lot of work for wikipedia. I would hope that you could find a compromise, rather than reversing each other's work. While one would hope to respect copyright, there must be some summary of the copyright material that is acceptable and remains factually accurate. Kbthompson 23:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also ask those involved to not tread on WP:CANVAS and similar guidelines in asking for outside opinions.  If things escalate, an admin should be asked to comment.  María: (habla conmigo) 23:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I hate to be a johnny-come-lately...but I'll just add that SatyrTN pretty much says it all. Look for those places where the wording exactly matches the website and rewrite them. Cheers! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 02:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm no expert on copyright (or indeed on Buddy Holly) but the page as it stands seems to my lay eye quite different from the show's website, and I should be very surprised if any objection were made to it on grounds of copyright. Tim Riley 07:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not look like a copyright violation to me.  But then again, I'm no expert. --Savant13 11:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with your first point, and I will remove the reference to The Beatles.  But I am not sure I agree about the credit for the song.  If the song was NOT written by Morris Levy, I don't think we should credit him, even if the show's program contained an error.  Is it stated in the script of the play that Levy was a co-writer of the song?  If not, why shouldn't we correct the songlist?  -- Ssilvers 15:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: EMI Music Publishing indicates the song was written by Frankie Lymon and Morris Levy . SFTVLGUY2 16:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: According to , "A cold N.E wind immediately gave way to a snow which drastically reduced visibility," and photos at  show the ground covered with snow. SFTVLGUY2 20:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Both points valid... 

message: The plot summary currently omits any mention of the scenes from the play in which Buddy and the Crickets have difficulties with Texas and Nashville, where producers won't accept their rock and roll music instead of C&W.  I suggest something like: "They struggle for a time in Texas and then in Nashville, where producers want the group to record country and western music, but Buddy and The Crickets want to play rock and roll."  My sentence from the plot summary along these lines was deleted.  Do you have a better way to describe this part of the show's plot?  Regards, -- Ssilvers 20:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, your wording was confusing. After stating Holly began "as a teenage country music singer in Texas with The Crickets," you added "They struggle for a time in Texas, where the fans and producers are more receptive to country and western music than to the group's rock and roll sound," leaving the reader to wonder why a "country music singer" had a "rock and roll sound." In any event, it again becomes a question of how much is too much. We differ greatly in our approach to summarizing a plot. You prefer an excessive length revealing every detail, while I favor sticking to a more concise synopsis that offers a good understanding of the subject without all the "then he said, then she responded, then he crossed stage left" minutiae. Unfortunately, as I mentioned previously, in this case all the added info is making the article sound more like a Holly bio than a musical theatre article. I personally feel it's sufficient as is. Respectfully, SFTVLGUY2 14:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Decca and local producers

message: Among other additions, I've made a number of recent changes to the synopsis. I'm sorry to say this, but it is simply full of little mistakes. I am familiar with the show and have a script in hand. I will make more corrections over the next few days.Smatprt 05:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great, 'cause I don't have the script.  But in the Synopsis section, just tell what happens in the script.  Don't say "The play begins....", just describe the action.  If you want to explain something *about* the show, do it in the discussion above.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers 07:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: recent changes

message: It would be great if someone who was up on Buddy Holy (the man, not the show) were to add a section comparing the show to events in real life - or perhaps explaining where the show differed from life. That way the info about Waylon Jennings, etc. would have a place in the article (just not the synopsis).Smatprt 13:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (Nicely done on the headings and format work.  Nice compromise on the awards issue.  I'm all for incorporating lists into prose wherever possible. Smatprt 16:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion for expansion

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