Talk:Todesfuge

message: The correct title is not "Die Todesfuge" but only "Todesfuge". The article should be movede. Amessner (talk) 14:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: I've added an external link with some more translations: the Romanian one had been written by a friend of Celan (Petre Solomon) who even might have given him the inspiration for schwarze Milch. Also, given that so many Roma and Sinti had been sharing the cruel fate of the Jewish people in Auschwitz and elsewhere, here's also a translation into Burgenland Román (whose speakers had been victims of the Nazi prosecution with a great part of this - now small - ethnic group of Austria being "exterminated"). Wayasu (talk) 10:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Other translations

message: Wikipedia now includes DIY literary criticism?  Not very "encyclopedic." --Andersonblog (talk) 20:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Interpretation" section?

message: Both versions on https://poets.org/poem/death-fugue are missing at least one line each - the English version is missing the translated version of "wir schaufeln ein Grab in den Lüften da liegt man nicht eng" (line 4 of the original German poem) and the German version below is missing "er befiehlt uns spielt auf nun zum Tanz" (line 9 of the original German poem), which oddly enough is included in the English version ("he commands us play up for the dance"). 
Not only does this leave out important meaning but it will also throw you off when counting the lines or when trying to cross-reference the English version with its translation. Here's a full German version for reference: https://www.celan-projekt.de/todesfuge-deutsch.html
--Geronator (talk) 01:21, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. I will replace the translations from poets.org with the one at celan-projekt.de, https://www.celan-projekt.de/todesfuge-englisch.html. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:46, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistakes in the version(s) on "poets.org", so beware when using as a source/ point of reference 

message: In the section on origins and publication, it says that this poem's relationship to Weissglas's "ER" is "more problematic" than its relationship to Rose Ausländer's work.
"Problematic" can mean it takes more work to discern and the result is not straightforward, but it can also mean that there is something inappropriate or wrong with the situation. So I looked for mentions of both just in case, but ended up unsure.
I might suggest either choosing a different word (perhaps "complex" instead of "problematic"?) or expanding on which aspects of the relationship are problematic, and in what ways. TooManyFingers (talk) 20:16, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at how this is treated at :de:Todesfuge and :de:Immanuel Weissglas, I think that "more complex" is probably better. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word "problematic" 

message: One of the essential features of every musical fugue is that relatively short melodies or melodic fragments are heard simultaneously, not all beginning at the same moment but overlapping so that their notes become combined in different ways - and though the ways these pieces of melody end up combining with each other can be surprising, they are planned and deliberate. I thought "A poem can't really recreate that simultaneous/overlapping effect", but this poem shows I was wrong. Though the elements of Todesfuge are of course not literally read or spoken simultaneously, their intensity and the ways they are rearranged and refocused can cause a similar effect in one's mind, while reading or hearing, or afterwards. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical fugue