Talk:Frat Pack

message: i came to this page to get a sense of how people would describe the common comedic styles of these actors and films, not just to get their names.  would any contributor be interested in adding a "comedic style" section or "critical opinion" or something about who the target audience is?  71.135.39.56 (talk) 06:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: description of comedic form?

message: I feel that there needs to some clean up in the filmography portion of this article.  I feel that some movies, though they feature members of the frat pack, are not  what the public would consider "frat pack" films.  A prime example is madagascar 2.  I propose that some criteria relating to the intended audience, teens and college age males, and the over all style and subject be implemented.  I know this is sublective, but i feel like what is up right now is not accurate.  If no one has anything to say about this after a couple of days, i am going to go for it.  Cheers! Nate (talk) 18:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: stricter criteria for filmography

message: There is no need for the frat pack tribute site to be mentioned.  The only reason it is mentioned is because Kevin Crossman wants to get more people to visit his site.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.81.136.149 (talk) 12:08, August 21, 2007 (UTC) 
* Here we go again...  Please read the previous discussions. Kevin Crossman 15:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frat Pack Tribute Site 

message: Hey get Walk Hard the Dewey Cox story in here for sure.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.105.209.68 (talk) 06:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The criteria that is currently used in the article for "Other films" is "with at least one of these in a large role". If this is the case, add the film. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 13:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walk Hard 

message: I don't think Andy Dick is anywhere in Knocked Up.
:Didn't see it but IMDB credits him. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 16:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andy Dick in Knocked Up? 

message: I was wondering why Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story isn't on the list of movies. After all, Vince Vaughn and Ben Stiller have the two largest roles.66.229.7.218 (talk) 02:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dodgeball? 

message: Please see filmography section of the Brat Pack article for potential formatting of these "other films" to include the names of the collaborators. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 13:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other films 

message: I'm pretty sure Ben Stiller was never a cast member on SNL. I think he was briefly a writer.Sammi.mcclain (talk) 17:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: per The SNL Archives website, Ben was a featured cast member beginning late in the 1988/89 season. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 14:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  SNL 

message: I know that the "Rat Pack" is made up of guess like this group, but I think a connection with the "Brat Pack" of 80s John Hughes actors is more appropriate.  The rat pack was a group of singers and standup commedians that once in a while made films.  The Brat Pack is a group of actors similar to the Frat Pack.
* Um... if Rat Pack came first and the Brat Pack was a play on Rat Pack, then obviously the Frat Pack is a play on both. I'm not quite sure what exactly your point was - but the Frat Pack actors have certainly done their fair share of standup/singing/on stage appearances.Kevin Crossman (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frat Pack a play on Brat pack 

message: Where does it say that Owen Wilson is producing this? Judd Apatow is, but I see nowhere saying Wilson is.87.127.178.28 (talk) 11:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Year One 

message: Walken should be on this list Walken for sure.. Carell should NOT.  Pretty obvious why, Walken has been involved in more of these guys projects than Carell, you're welcome to do an IMDB check  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.9.41 (talk) 20:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christopher Walken vs Steve Carell 

message: This article describes one newspaper's terminology. As such this is just sock puppetry for USA Today. There is no objective term. This term is not used outside of USA Today -- if it is, prove it -- provide INDEPENDENT references from reliable sources. This "article" is tabloid, trivia SPAM and nothing more. Typical wikiality.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.213.121 (talk) 16:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The term is so ubiquitous, this hardly requires a response... but I have addressed most of the concerns by adding appropriate citations to the article. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 15:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After further review, I have removed all the tags added by 86.141.213.121.  They seemed largely unwarranted and were easily addressed by converting many of the links at the end into inline citations. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 16:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: BOGUS

message: 76.202.81.131 removed The Cable Guy from the Filmography. I do not believe this is the right thing, since you had three Frat Pack members on screen, plus Ben Stiller as director. I am strongly inclined to put it back. If you have an opinion, please discuss:Kevin Crossman (talk) 19:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography 

message: Other section is too long and really has no plan just a discussion about whether criteria should be examined. Here's my proposal. We adopt the same system for the Frat Pack films that is used for the Brat Pack and the Rat Pack. 
1. Must have at least two core Frat Pack members in a starring role. to 
This shortens the current list to Bottle Rocket, Heat Vision and Jack, The Royal Tenebaums, Zoolander, Old School, Starsky & Hutch, Envy, Dodgeball, Anchorman, Wake Up Ron Burgundy, Wedding Crashers, The Wendell Baker Story, and Tropic Thunder
Right there you have 12 films, and one failed TV pilot. For comparison the list of Rat Pack films is 7 and there are 12 Brat Pack films.
or the less restrictive 
2. Must have at least one core Frat Pack member in a starring role and at least one other in a supporting role.
This keeps the above list intact and adds Bongwater, Permanent Midnight (which I feel should be removed as Frat Pack films in general are comedies whereas Permanent Midnight is a drama above all else), Meet the Parents, Melinda and Melinda (which again is not a strict comedy),  Bewitched, Night at the Museum, and Night of the Museum 2.
This brings the list up to a massive 19 films and one TV pilot (17 films if you removed Permanent Midnight and Melinda and Melinda for not being comedies). 
Overall both proposals will remove Orange County, Meet the Fockers, Tenacious D in The Pick of Destiny, Blades of Glory, The Year One.
I highly support the first plan as it shortens the list to a much more reasonable and manageable 12 films and 1 tv pilot while preserving the integrity of the Frat Pack. Just because a Frat Pack member is in a film does not make it Frat Pack film. We can have a separate list of films that are related but not considered part of the core films in the list above. Regardless, some criteria needs to be established in order to keep order.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.81.131 (talk) 15:33, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria Proposal 

message: At this point, can't Seth Rogan be indocrinated to the Frat Pack?  He played a minor role in Anchorman and a larger role in The 40-year-old Virgin
* Who is this Seth Rogan person you speak of? I recall a Seth *Rogen* in those movies.  Seriously, though... Rogen hasn't been cited as a member the way that the others (including Carell) have been.Kevin Crossman (talk) 22:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seth Rogan 

message: I guess The Office should be added to the list, since yesterday's episode starred Jack Black. However, I'm not sure if it should be in the Filmography section or somevhere else. Any suggestions? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 13:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Office 

message: It seems like Pineapple Express and Role Models should probably be included. The Hangover as well? What about Eastbound & Down or the Foot Fist Way? All feature actors prevalent across these movies and are of a same brand of humor. Thoughts, ideas?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.246.208 (talk) 05:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions?

message: That chart (which is otherwise nice) seems fairly borked, but I don't trust myself with the code to fix it.  I think everyone just got moved down one or something (Stiller stars in the Night at the Museum movies and wasn't in Year One, etc.). Baseballbaker23 (talk) 05:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Jack Black had been taken out, causing everything to shift. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 13:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Filmography section

message: Interestingly, none of the Wikipedia entries for any of the actors (that are listed as being members of the Frat Pack) mentions their membership of the Frat Pack - is there a reason for this?
Professor J Lawrence (talk) 20:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  References to the Frat Pack on the actors' Wikipedia pages 

message: USA Today created a chart of I guess the "main films" with who was in what.  It is at http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2004-06-16-fratpackchart.htm  It could help to kinda get the table cleaned up.
ONEder Boy (talk) 00:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography table 

message: Andy Dick has recently been added to the Filmography table. Would he not be more of a "close contributor" rather than a primary member, seeing as he is largely only present during the very early days, and he has literally never been cited as a Frat Pack member (that I'm aware of, anyway)? His addition to the main table has led to the addition of several new movies which seem dubious to list as "Frat Pack" movies if you consider not only the cast but also the tone.
Wouldn't Andy Dick be better as a close contributor, and these extra movies listed under "Other films" instead?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.212.98 (talk) 05:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andy Dick as a primary Frat Pack member? 

message: Someone else said "This 'article' is tabloid, trivia and nothing more."  So true.
Completely UNNOTABLE.  INCONSISTENT -- constantly adding people on and off the "list" and switching for a separate grouping of actors .  Even introduces the other gossipy made-up "__at-pack" nicknames as if they too were important or definable in even the slightest way.
Totally unencyclopedic.  Regardless of citations, this is SHAMEFUL TRIVIALITY.
I can't believe this garbage.  Take a look at the archive for more complaints hidden away there.
Worthy of deletion.
108.7.8.215 (talk) 06:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most SHAMEFUL wikipedia article I've come across in a long time.  Worthy of deletion. 

message: People actually take time to discuss this rubbish! Some nincompoop from the media coins a term and it becomes an entry in an encyclopedia [sic].  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.115.64.20 (talk) 10:42, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's even more shameful 

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message: It's been a long time since the core members of Frat Pack have made movies. We need a Apatow Pack page to illustrate the massive number of movies Apatow Pack have made, and are still making! 97.100.251.116 (talk) 05:27, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frat Pack is basically Dead - Apatow Pack 

message: The Hangover (2009) is missing from the list of films, yet that's a quintessential Frat Pack movie!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo752 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Hangover 

message: What happened to Steve Carell? He announced that he was a member of the Frat Pack on Saturday Night Live when he was a guest host. Somebody change it back. The King Gemini (talk) 05:40, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Carell 

message: Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania has Paul Rudd in lead role and an Owen Wilson cameo 47.42.183.18 (talk) 19:35, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quantumania