Talk:Michael McDowell (politician)

message: three sons, John, Ross & Hugh, the latter having being involved in several yob attacks in McDowells constituency, Dublin South East. On occassion, a blue/yellow moped has been seen on the premises of McDowells residance for an extended period of time.
Any chance of a source being cited for the above?  And what's the relevance of the moped report?
Kfor 20:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Source for the mention of his son Hugh, and about a moped?

message: I think the fact that McDowell used his dail privilege to avoid a libel lawsuit from 
frank connolly may be worth a mention
: On that now. I can't believe that an ex-lawyer would do that deliberately. Well, I can, but still. Shoulda cost him his job. Supersheep 14:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dail Privilege

message: I think McDowell is Eoin Mac Néill's grandson (great grandson?), and he most definitely used this connection in order to establish his nationalist credentials when writing to Chuck Feeney in recent months (The Irish Times). Does anybody know the exact connection? (unsigned comment on 22:40, 22 December 2005 by 193.1.172.138 
:He is is grandson - see biography on party website--File  Éireann 23:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grandson to Eoin MacNeill 

message: McDowell is not pronounced "McDool". The Irish version of his name would be, but he never uses it. McDowell is pronounced McDowl, as in Andie McDowell.
: I don't think there is any one definitive pronunciation of the name, it is variously McDool, McDoo-ill, McDowl, McDow-ell and in the North you will find people calling themselves M'Dole.  Which one Michael McDowell uses I can never remember, but if I'm not mistaken he uses a different version to his brother, Moore McDowell.
:: I'm taking out the pronunciation, in that case 194.97.161.178 14:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pretty sure it's pronounced McDool in this guy's case, will pay attention on the news next time. Supersheep 14:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was asked in an interview on an Irish talkshow and he said that personally he doesn't mind how it's pronounced so the reference to pronunciation really has no place --Stevecull 13:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Pronunciation 

message: Would the anonymous user(s) please stop reverting the date formatting? It is there because some people have different display options set for viewing the date and the formatting displays the date as the user wishes to see it. Consult WP:MOS it your are still confused! Snappy56 19:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Date formatting

message: This has been extensively reported in print media and updating McDowell's reaction to this has been removed without discussion by user:demiurge. I have reverted this and await demiurges justification for his removal of cited relevant material. 
00:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gangland Crime 

message: This statment made in an interview reflects McDowell's outlook. It was used originaly as an answer to a question, upon which he did not wish to elaborate. 
Statements by politicians should be clear and arguements rationaly developed. To make a bald statement "I see what I see, I know what I know" shows that McDowell did, in that instance, not follow those principles and reflects a "trust me, I know", possibly appropriate to talking to four year olds, inappropriate to the voting public. Accordingly it is appropriate to cite this as a reflection on McDowell the politician.
01:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Except Enda Kenny said nothing like what you have said above in , that is all your own interpretation and original research. If we leave out your own interpretation, the quote is irrelevant and lacks context. If we include your own interpretation to establish context, it's POV. So I conclude that it should be omitted altogether. Please note that the controversy over McDowell's reaction (or lack thereof) to the statutory rape case is already well covered in the article. Demiurge 16:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I see what I see, I know what I know" 

message: While Michael McDowell was criticised for the Statuory Rape case he was not actually at fault. Therefore while Wikipedia can report that he was criticised, it should be made clear that the decision was a complete shock to the whole country, the Minister for Justice included.
True, the point is really that the media were hysterical rather than the Minister actually doing anything wrong.AleXd (talk) 08:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversies:Statuatory Rape case

message: Presenting assertions made in opinion articles as fact ("terrified of the howling mob") isn't on. Also the lengthy verbatim quotes from Vincent Browne's criticism contain only opinion and no facts. Accordingly I have removed these sections. Demiurge 22:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion articles presented as fact 

message: There is no need for citations in the succession box. It just adds visual clutter. It's also unprecedented. I haven't seen it done anywhere before. If you're going to do it for one, then you should do it for each individual succession of each person! Snappy56 19:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As much as its possible, I will add sources to my edits. If somebody elses wishes to remove them, fair enough. I see no harm on letting people know where the material is coming from and therefore more accurate. ant_ie 22:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I checked Wikipedia:Verifiability and I assume that we dont see many citations in succession boxs is the material is unlikey to be challenge.I seem to learn something new every day.ant_ie 22:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations in Succession box

message: Lapsed pacifist, will you stop removing the category Teachta Dála from this article. All current and former TDs are in this category regardless of whatever other categories they are in. Are you planning to remove this cat from all 729 articles that are in it or is it just Michael McDowell you've got something against? Snappy56 (talk)
:McDowell is already in this category by virtue of being in the Members of the 25th, 27th, 29th Dail subcategories. You're right, superfluous categories should always be removed. I hope this labour will not be left to me alone. My opinion (or yours) of McDowell isn't relevant here at all. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 10:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you've got the wrong end of the stick, this isn't how these categories work. These used to be a Former TD category but in was deleted and all current and former were put in the Teachta Dála category. I'll leave a note on BrownHairedGirls page, she's the most expert editor on categories that I've met on wikipedia. She'll know who goes in what category; until do not make any changes to this or other TD articles. Snappy56 (talk) 10:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding of categorisation is that if a subject fits in both Category A and Category B, and Category A is a subcategory of Category B, then only A is used. I don't need your permission to edit articles, Snap. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I simply asked not to remove the category until an "expert" had commented. Are you now going to edit the other 728 TD articles? Snappy56 (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: And what's the reason you reverted my changes to the references? and stop adding in invalid date formats which violate the MoS. I mean you left the opening sentence with an invalid red link. Snappy56 (talk) 10:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Haven't see any dates done the way you are doing them, not in MoS, See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Autoformatting_and_linking. Don't need an expert to know about date formatting. Not blanking anything, just removed one sarky remark. Snappy56 (talk) 02:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

text: If a matter of display the date format according to user prefs rather forcing a particular format on someone, e.g. 25 May or May 25 or 25-05. In regard to your other points: I haven't blanked any of your recent additions, I removed one unencyclopedic sarky remark, the rest are all still there; You have blanked my changes to the refs which I have updated to the cite web format; I don't know what you mean by my tone, I could take issue with yours if I wanted; As a gesture of good faith, I have removed the so called superfluous TD category until someone else can comment (BHG seems to be on a break). This will allow you to start removing the category from the other 730 articles that is it on. Snappy56 (talk) 02:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah whatever, am adding back TD cat until an expert comments. Snappy56 (talk) 23:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment all you like, you are not expert, live with it! Snappy56 (talk) 13:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Which part of the above statement is unclear? Snappy56 (talk) 13:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teachta Dala cat 

message: I have removed the claim that McDowell reformed the Irish Prison Service. I would have no problem with it if it were backed up with a citation. Also, the claim that the pay was 'exorbitant' is opinion, not fact. Stephen Shaw (talk) 23:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'He reformed the prison service' 

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