Talk:Castile and León

message: Castile-Leon the largest sub-national political division in Europe? Surely there are larger ones in Russia?
:As of 2009-09-08 the claim read "largest in European Union" which would exclude Russia. Nevertheless, there are statoids in Sweden and Finland which are larger; therefore I have removed the claim. Illexsquid (talk) 21:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Unless there is tradition in english for calling this region Castile-Leon, the article should be named Castile and Leon resembling the original Spanish official name. 80.58.9.237 22:29, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always heard it as Castile-Leon. - Montréalais 08:16, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

text: Almost all the incoming links are to Castile-Leon, and only a handful to Castile and Leon, which seems to suggest the hyphenated form is common enough in the English language. On the other hand, a Google search is inconclusive. I think some more examples of English usage would be useful. sjorford →•← 17:35, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Move article

message: "Astur-leonés, Castiella y Llión,  and in Galician language Castela e León" -- Do these languages have official standing in the autonomous community? If not, we could go on for some time listing the name in all languages spoken by a sizeable minority in the autonomous community. - Montréalais 08:16, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Official languages

message: In Treviño, on Burgos province, Basque language is not spoken anyplace.
falafel  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.247.116 (talk) 22:26, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Treviño 

message: An anonymous party wrote that Castile-Leon has no official capital. Is this true? Explanation please? - Montréalais
It´s absolutely false, the official capital of Castile and Leon, since the creation of this autonomous community is Valladolid. I´ve not heard anything about another capital.
Absoluty false?? Have you read the statut of autonomy???? Please, read the statut of autonomy of Castile and Leon. Doesn't exist an official capital, only it's recognize a distribution of institutions. Valladolid: Government and Parliament; Burgos: Superior Court of Justice; León/Llión: Ombudsman
Hi!
I'm a citizens of Castile and León, also I'm studing Castile and León law.
This region haven't got any capital. The Statut of Autonomy says that "a regional law will choose a capital for Castile and León", but for different issues this law was not write.
Valladolid is the city where it is the building of Gobermenet and Parliament, Burgos the Superior Court of Justice, León the Ombudsman and in Zamora the Court of Auditors and Accounting.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.243.236.10 (talk) 19:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Capital

message: I think the issue of displaying the alternate names of Castiella-Llión is in order, such is the leonese name of their own country whether or not has "official" recognition.
Entries for spanish cities of Ceuta and Melilla has it, in both arabic and berber, "unoffical" languages but widely spoken.
I think is encyclopedic refers to a local language name and is insulting and discriminative not to.
castilla y Leon has not an official capital, please change the information or at least say that pucela is only the unofficial captal in the practise  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.40.75 (talk) 12:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Llión en Llionés 

message: Has anyone ever heard of a demonym in English? I don't think one really exists, beyond "Castilian" or "Leonese" (both inaccurate). Google gets just over 100 results for "Castilian-Leonese", which is the best for any possibility I could think of. The currently listed direct translation from Spanish is not correct. Ak13 20:27, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Demonym

message: I'm from Castile, and in Spanish official name is Castilla y León.
You can look Google:
Castile-Leon: 64.200 entries
Castile and Leon: 155.000 entries
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I believe that he is suggesting that this page be moved to "Castile and Leon," in which case I second that motion.  The direct translation of Castilla y Leon is Castile and Leon.  Plus, if google returns more hits on the latter that is probably the better location.
-Diabolic 23:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, the half English , half Spanish name is nonsense.  Jezhotwells (talk) 03:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Castile-Leon vs. Castile and Leon 

message: "The main airports of the neighbouring regions of Asturias and Madrid (Barajas) are close as well, if not yet with a direct communication through public transportation."
What, exacly, qualifies as direct communication through public transport?  I Took a taxi from Barajas to the Chamartín train station, and from there rode directly into Valladolid, the Capital of Castilla y León.  Does there have to be a train station IN the airport?
-Diabolic 23:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  communication 

message: I would just like to mention here that I reverted about 8 edits by 136.244.51.218 as copyright violations from here and various pages such as  this one from [www.turismocastillayleon.com], so there is no confusion about whether my revert may have been accidental. —Mets501talk 02:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large revert 

message: Hi just to say, that it seems you are really bloody picky bunch of people.
Why you don't respect the local spelling and just call it Castilla y León, and their peoples Castellanos and Leoneses? i can't see the need to translate proper nouns to any language, apart from that of wanting to be above - Please, Respect. Cheers.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.4.121 (talk • contribs) 
:So what do you call Chinese people in Spanish? yes, they certainly should not be called "chino" anymore....don't you agree??? Every language has a way to call things,  countries and people from places. I think this issue has been dealt with so many times here in Wiki... so it has nothing to do with respect. **anon**
:Because this is the English Wiki, and we require English names, etc., as primary (with native names following in brackets, when appropriate.)50.111.5.54 (talk) 23:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: You picky people

message: The link named "regional High Court" directs to the Cortes Generales with which it has got nothing to do whatsoever. I don't know if the correct page exists; if not, I suggest the link be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.49.252.104 (talk) 20:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect link 

message: I've been bringing over masses of material from es-wiki, which I'm sure is a net improvement to the article, but the material is, in some cases, problematic. I've been doing my best to organize the material better than in the es-wiki (where, for example, one paragraph about demographics might be smack in the middle of the history section), to eliminate special pleading, to provide some context where I expect English-speaking readers will need it, etc. 
However, there are at least two (related) problems I cannot readily solve:
# The material is woefully undercited throughout.
# The statistics are a hodgepodge (or, if you prefer, una olla podrida), with a maze of numbers from different dates, few of them clearly sourced, no way to know which numbers for parallel matters are comparable, etc.
In particular, the article effectively argues with itself as to whether the region's population is increasing or decreasing in the last decade or two. It is clear that the natural rate of increase is slightly negative due to an excess of deaths over births, but it is not clear whether immigration to the capitals and other major cities is outweighing emigration from the countryside and smaller towns, nor (if it is) whether it is outweighing it by enough to offset the negative natural rate of increase.
There is a lot of work someone could do here, but I hope that at least I am putting in the bones of a much better article than was here before. 
I'm not done yet: as of this time there is still a lot more material to bring over. - Jmabel | Talk 20:11, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics, citation, etc. 

message: Es una gran puta de cojones con grandes tetas
Gonzaka (talk) 20:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Peta Jhensen 

message: The road called in English "Silver Way" is called "Ruta de la Plata" in Spanish not "Via de la Plata".  I live about 1KM away.∼∼∼∼  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard.jamieson (talk • contribs) 19:47, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silver Way - Castile and Leon 

message: A user (a IP code) tried to change again the arms shown at article for an unofficial coat of arms designed by the Spanish Wikipedia group of heraldry. There was a disscusion about this months ago, this design is unofficial and not accepted in Engish Wikipedia as preferred or more acurate design like the Spanish Wikipedia, there users accepted the group designs as preferred and more correct. 
I told IP user war editions are banned and put this Wikipedia:Dispute resolution in the message.
He told that it is an heraldic design. But there is a problem at the Castile and Leon goverment website only the logo has an official design, there are heralid version but no standarized, so only the logo design is officially correct:
The user asked for an heraldic design  I put a version (obviously unofficial too) more used in English Wikipedia heraldic galleries and articles, the question was discussed as I told. If this user
or other people won't agree again the objective solution would be the logotipe (the only emblem with a official design proved). --Heralder (talk) 23:22, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done a careful reading of   and the Regional self-goverment Act L.O. 14/2007, Art. 6.  in both cases have a description of tinctures but no colors especifications (at the first link an official design is shown, a drawing and a photograph of a tapestry, the design is the same but colors change) so, according these sources only these files are totally correct (both descriptions and design)
File:Escudo de Castilla y León - Versión heráldica oficial.svg
File:Kastilie a León.gif
File:Coat of Arms of Castile and Leon.svg
File:Escudo de Castilla y León.svg
But if some people don't agree again this solution because at the act nothing related with design is consigned, only the logo is the emblem absolutelly regulated (colors design and description) for this reason the objective solution would only  be the logotipe (the only emblem with a official design proved)
In addition the logo is commonly used at official documents, plaques etc... Heraldic version is rarely shown)  Institutional image manual of Regional Goverment of Castile and León
File:Escudo de la Junta de Castilla y León.svg
--Heralder (talk) 01:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: A discussion with an unofficial coat of arms again 

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message: I've corrected a few grammar errors, and tagged the history section as being largely unreferenced. I appreciate the editors of (probable) Hispanic origin that have contributed to the article, but there are several instances of unintelligible English here and there. I'm going to do a little more work here, but the SME's need to step in and give this one a thorough going-over.  Thanks.50.111.5.54 (talk) 23:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: article needs clean-up

message: Template:Largest cities of Castile and León has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 09:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest cities of Castile and León" 

message: Hi all. Is there a reason why the river Duero is constantly called Douro throughout the article? If we're talking about a Spanish region surely we should employ the river's Spanish name as well, rather than the Portuguese version.
I took the liberty of editing the references that were not parts of links, for fear of messing those up.
Thanks for your attention. 2.155.23.138 (talk) 17:38, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Douro seems to be the usual name in English. --Jotamar (talk) 23:17, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition of being the Portuguese-language name, Douro seems to be also the traditional English-language name for the river. However, use of the name Duero in a Spanish context (presumably when dealing with circumstances pertaining locations on the Spanish part of the river course) is not unheard of in recent English-language sources. If in order to apply certain flexibility, a new consensus needs to be reached (does it?), I suggest to start getting some feedback in the talk page of the article Duero. The first step is to bold the name Duero in the opening statement of the article Duero (I think I am going to do that myself).--Asqueladd (talk) 12:37, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duero/Douro river 

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message: So it may be that some Basque speakers have moved to Treviño from elsewhere but it doesn't actually say in the source that that is the source of all the Basque speakers in Teviño, reading that into it is OR/interpretation. In addition, while access to education locally seems limited in Treviño, bilingual Spanish/Basque education models are on offer (see  and the local government has a Basque service  so the situation is clearly not the same as Basque speakers moving to Madrid. Akerbeltz (talk) 12:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It indeed does look like original research. But anyways, what's the point on all this? We are talking about your regular Spanish rural place of tiny (<2,000) and aging autochthonous population. Bluntly speaking, if it were not for exogenous reasons, there would be little to no kids to speak of (or be educated). Here there is a mention about the presence of a Basque-language school in the enclave owing its existence to couples from Vitoria moving (and commuting from) there . Here the very same Basque vice-minister of Language Policy (Mrs. Lourdes Auzmendi) acknowledges that the increasing number of Basque-speakers in Treviño is due "in large part" to migration. p.6  Perhaps not, but what's exactly the point you are trying to make here.--Asqueladd (talk) 14:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

text: It's not OR since the same document in the ref I provided (which I think is the same in the previous ref, only in Spanish instead of Basque) clearly says that there is a connection between Basques settling in the enclave and the rate of Basque speakers increasing (not just the number but also the rate), plus my wording doesn't say or imply that all the speakers were born in the Basque Country. --Jotamar (talk) 15:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is that given the complicated history of Treviño (historically part of the Basque province of Álava), it's not unreasonable to mention Basque speakers in the Languages section. But I got reverted and accused of falling prey to nationalist propaganda. I'm very well aware that in the south of Álava (including Treviño) there were no more native local Basque speakers left and that any speakers will either have moved there OR are locals who acquired Basque as adults or via the education system. But if they live there, there is no good reason not to mention them, especially if Bulgarian speakers warrant a mention... Akerbeltz (talk) 16:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet this is an article about Castile and León and not about the enclave of Treviño. And what's about Bulgarian? There are presumably more Bulgarian speakers in Castile and León than Basque speakers, with a national community in Castile and León over tenfold the population of Treviño . The source mentions those three (Bulgarian, Romanian, and Arabic) as examples of important immigrant languages . I get that that does not matter to you, as the case you seem to be making is that Basque is not an immigrant language in that tiny 2,000 inhabitants minuscule fraction of the region.--Asqueladd (talk) 16:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

text: You're not explaining why my last edition is OR. --Jotamar (talk) 16:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea that I am getting from Akerbeltz (and correct me if I am wrong but I consider that the user conveys a sizeable part of their rationale here through ellisions () and unexplained statements () is that Basque should warrant a mention over the likes of Bulgarian in the language section not because of what sources state vis-à-vis the size of language communities in Castile and León, but because the history of that small fraction of the territory (Treviño) is complicated and because Basque is not necessarily an immigrant language there but an autochtonous one. The former is at best a special pleading and the latter is moot, with some sources suggesting that the increasing number of Basque speakers is connected to immigration. I don't have much of an settled opinion other than Treviño is not that important from a demographic standpoint in the context of the whole region covered by the article, so caution about any intrinsic notability of data pertaining that territory might apply. Basque has also been taught in the considerably bigger Miranda de Ebro, by the way.--Asqueladd (talk) 17:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basque in Treviño