Talk:Andre Tabayoyon

message: Tabayoyon is mentioned in the Scientology article, as is his affidavit.  Is there enough extra information to warrant his own page?  Search shows mostly affidavit-related information on him. Gallup 19:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arbitrary section header

message: I came across this article when chaining through other articles. It appears to have quite a bit of Original Research in it that is not supported by citations. It is also unclear to me whether or not some of the sources meet WP:RS standards.
As I don't speak German fluently, I'd need to get a translator involved in order to be of any help here.
Hopefully the involved editors can tighten up the article and stick to sourced statements. I'll check back in a couple days to see if any help is needed.
Example: Specifically wording like: extremely secretive and well-guarded is OR unless cited.
..and if the DOD property is well-guarded, that does not mean that Gold-Base is.
Lsi john 17:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: OR / RS - Opinion

message: I've never heard that the complete case has been sealed. I only heard that the Fishman affidavit was sealed at the request of scientology. --Tilman 19:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was done by Judge Hupp, and this can be read here  - it applies to "specified documents", not the whole case. --Tilman 20:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: *Please make it easy for us and quote the applicable line of policy, Smee. Thanks. --Justanother 19:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Sure thing -- Wikipedia is not the place for original research. Citing sources and avoiding original research are inextricably linked: the only way to demonstrate that you are not presenting original research is to cite reliable sources that provide information directly related to the topic of the article, and to adhere to what those sources say. --  Wikipedia:No Original Research.  Smee 19:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *And how am I violating that???. BTW, PACER is Public Access to Court Electronic Records. The operative word there being Public. The court reports the case as sealed on a publicly-accessible website and I noted that. How is there any OR there??? 3O, time, Smee? Or save yourself the trouble. --Justanother 19:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *We have no way of knowing in what context it says "sealed", precisely which documents are sealed, or what exactly you are referring to.  Smee 19:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I simply reported exactly what the site says and that anyone, you included, can verify. I removed the OR-ish interpretation that I assumed you were objecting to. --Justanother 19:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: *That seems to be referring to an appeal. I am putting back EXACTLY what the court reports about the exact case that is being cited here. No OR. Yours is the OR. Knock off the edit-warring over this, Smee. --Justanother 20:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *ps, Smee, you are mentioned on AN/I in regard to DYK. --Justanother 20:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *pps. Smee, I self-reverted - got too close to 3RR. Smee, I suggest that you do the same. --Justanother 20:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: *Kinda OR-ish (claiming that that appeal referred to the exact case and substance that the court itself says is sealed) but we can talk later. --Justanother 20:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *There is nothing "claimed" and nothing OR.  And the appeal refers to the exact case, yes.  The exact case number is cited in the docket.  Smee 20:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sealed

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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