Talk:2040s

message: Hello -- It was suggested by editor HiLo48 that I seek here for an editor to discuss a listing on this page that he was reticent about. Following is the intended addition under the year 2043, the portion within double parentheses.
(( 2043 will see the close of 6000 years of human history, according to the count of years in the Hebrew Old Testament. This may be readily computed by placing the construction of Solomon's Temple (1 Kings 6:1) at 966 BC, a widely accepted date based on the work of Edwin Thiele in the mid 20th century. From 966 BC count back 2992 years to the first man, as given in the Old Testament record (1656 Adam to the Flood, 427 to Abraham, 430 to the Exodus, 479 to 1 Kings 6:1.) This places the first man at 3958 BC. 6000 years forward takes one to 2043 AD. ))
That is the listing I wished to make. Following is an explanation. This is not original research. The periods 1656, 427, 430, 479 are readily attested in many sources and have been for many years, for they are taken directly from the Old Testament. The essential research was by Edwin Thiele establishing the date 966 BC. Today this date is widely credited. (I personally studied it closely for several years -- it is approved by Kenneth Kitchen of Egyptological fame, David Rohl of Archaeological fame, and countless others -- it is the standard.) The date even appears in a footnote in the NIV Study Bible. 
The Subject Itself
It may seem an odd subject to persons that have not been involved with it. But the subject itself has moved entire segments of Christian society -- western society -- over centuries. It motivated Isaac Newton's very deep research for his book "The Chronology of Ancient Kingdoms Amended." On Wikipedia you can find an article "Religious view of Isaac Newton" including his conclusions that the Millennial Kingdom could begin in 2060 or 2034.
In the early 1800s William Miller, founder of the Adventist Movement (of which there are various branches) changed the course of Christianity with his studies pointing to the close of 6000 years. In the later 1800s Charles Russell, founder of the Watchtower Society, did likewise. These are two major forces within Christianity of the last two centuries. (I am not an Adventist, and I am not a member of the Watchtower Society -- I am merely pointing out the significance of this subject upon western Christian society.)
The importance of the close of 6000 years according to the Hebrew Old Testament was expressed as early as the 1st century ad in an early Christian writing, "The Epistle of Barnabas." It was held by some Jewish theologians before that (and thus came into the Christian discussion). 
It is not some arbitrary question. It is not like asking when 3000 years, or 4000 year, or 5000 years end -- the significance of the question is unique to the end of 6000 years, because of the special place the "Seventh Millennium" has held for centuries in both Jewish and Christian thought. 
The point is not whether one agrees or disagrees with Genesis. The point of posting this is that the question has been a deeply meaningful one to Western Jewish and Christian thought for a long time. And now (because of the study of Edwin Thiele of the last century), the question can be resolved.
Is it agreeable to proceed with this posting?
Should we modify it in some way?
With interest -- David RiceDavRice (talk) 06:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2043 (take 1) 

message: Hello, all -- It has been a week since my last message above. So far, no objections to my proposal, apparently. I believe I have addressed all concerns. (1) The original research was by Edwin Thiele of last century, (2) All the other components (Adam to Flood, to Abraham, to Exodus, to Temple) have been recognized for centuries, (3) The subject has been of deep interest and influence in Western Jewish and Christian circles for a long time -- even Isaac Newton was concerned about the subject. (4) It is not a matter of accepting or otherwise the Hebrew Old Testament, as you will know, a posting does not need to agree with an editor's personal views, but to address a subject of meaning and significance and depend on previous published studies. 
I think the post I suggest passes all the requirements.
Any comments? If not, then in perhaps another week I will venture to post the content under 2043.
Thank you -- David RiceDavRice (talk) 22:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2043 (take 2) 

message: Aha! I have discovered that we actually do have an article on this topic, Year 6000. And actually there's a notable related future event which we can date with certainty - the beginning of the year 6000 in the Hebrew calendar, which it turns out is actually in 2239. I've mentioned that and linked to this article from Timeline of the near future#2030s. It would be interesting to add Christian perspectives to Year 6000, including disputes about the "correct" dating of the creation of Adam. I have added links to , Religious views of Isaac Newton, and Millennialism. If Thiele makes a calculation of when the Hebrew calendar "should" start himself, it could be mentioned, but if it's just a dating of the temple, his work should be explained at Solomon's Temple...where actually it's already mentioned under "Further reading". It sounds like there may be a dispute as to the year of the temple's start of construction or dedication, and that article should explain any such disputes and stabilize a consensus before we start pondering the implications of that for the calendar. Hebrew calendar is also missing information on how the start year was determined and whether or not that's disputed. -- Beland (talk) 07:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how to interpret that. -- Beland (talk) 14:14, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

text: I find it hard to interpret the words "If the door of reason remains ajar..." as anything but a failure to assume good faith among other editors here. HiLo48 (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, Friends -- Nothing untoward was intended. That is not my spirit. Thank you for your discussions, but perhaps time for me to wish you well and back away. Thank you -- DavRice (talk) 04:10, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I would certainly recommend you do that. Go and look at other areas of Wikipedia that you're interested in. There are millions of articles. I can guarantee you can make improvements elsewhere, even it's it's just fixing spelling errors. That way you will get a better feel for what our expectations and conventions are here. HiLo48 (talk) 04:36, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, Hebrew calendar#Anno Mundi actual has info on epoch dating issues, as do Missing years (Jewish calendar) and Dating creation. -- Beland (talk) 02:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Year 6000