Talk:Akdamar Island

message: (Note by Andrys: Correction: "Kung Gagik" should be "King Gagik" and I've corrected that on my source page, thanks.)
: Thanks, Andrys. Please open up a Wikipedia account & start contributing with your wonderful images! :) mu5ti/✏ 19:27, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
never mind..!  --Mightier than the sword 09:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  King Gagik 

message: I have removed the footnote references for Hewsen, Robert H. (2001). Armenia: a historical atlas. The work is a tertiary source and all the information about Aghtamar contained within it are already contained in the works cited in the references section. 
I don't think any of the points that had the those Hewson citations needed citations anyway, since none were contentious. Meowy 02:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's always nice to have references for facts.  I still don't see why you've removed the references.  I can imagine some people disputing the fate of the Armenian monks on the island during the Armenian Genocide, as well as people (e.g. the Turkish government, or others working for them) disputing that there was an Armenian catholicos there upto 1915.  Serouj 06:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But you don't need references for facts that are undisputed. It just breaks up the flow of the page and (in a way) it suggests that undisputed facts are actually in dispute. I can see a point in having a reference for the 1915 event (so I should not have removed that reference), but better maybe to use a primary source (such as Nogales, who was an eyewitness) rather then a tertiary source like Hewsen Meowy 17:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References & Footnotes 

message: It might be a good idea to have a new article for the church since it has been restored and that there are quite a few sources in the Internet about it + pictures already.. If there is one already, take no notice, maybe I just missed it.. Baristarim 23:31, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would wait until the actual re-opening. Meowy 00:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries, I was just throwing it out there :) Baristarim 00:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Btw, about the Kurdish pronounciation of the island's name - I have been to Van and can say that most of the local population still pronounce it the original way. That is not a source of course! But I imagine that there must be language websites out there that would indicate that there is no "gh" in modern Turkish, but that there is in Kurdish. Meowy 14:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I updated the intro and removed the fact tag for the moment - however I don't know if anyone else will ask for sources. Baristarim 23:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: By the way, on follow-up to my note from a week earlier above, there was an article created today at Akdamar church - it included only one paragraph taken from this article, and no improvements on it whatsoever. I went ahead and was bold and redirected here. I thought that there would be no problems since I aired a similar proposal for a new article before. It still stands obviously, but I think we might take another look at it since it is not clear how we will seperate content between articles since the island is only notable because of the church. Obviously, if anyone wants to write a new and longer article for the church, go ahead. Just wanted to note the merge for the record.. Baristarim 22:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moving on from the discussion above, the church has reopened, and has had a service, and there is an article Armenian Cathedral of the Holy Cross. However, much of the text of the article is duplicated in the section 'The Armenian Cathedral of the Holy Cross' in the Akdamar Island article. So now, this section needs to be reduced in size - it already has a link to the article on the same subject. Coyets (talk) 11:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article for the church? 

message: Please provide reliable and verifiable references showing that "desecretion" pictures are indeed caused by acts of desecration and not by other motives, reasons, and even non-human factors such as acts of nature including earthquakes for which the region is famous for. Until then I am leaving the pictures but removing the title of "Desecration after the Armenian Genocide". Thanks.  85.107.39.162 (talk) 08:30, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographic evidence of desecration?  

message: Aram van, what is the reason to describe the photos as Desecration after the Armenian Genocide. Is there any RS identifying them so? --Quantum666 (talk) 18:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Enough references has been added related to the vandalism of the church. After this point you can not oppose to the term desecration Ali55te (talk) 03:43, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Desecration" 

message: I heard a similar story when I visited this island. They said "Ax (akh) Tamara". I don't know how they come to know this story. Maybe oral history, maybe folklore... Takabeg (talk) 21:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Tumanyan

message: There is absolutely no proof that the name of the island is spelled Աղթամար Aghtamar in Eastern and Ախթամար Akhtamar in Western Armenian. On the contrary, I've added Eastern Armenian sources for both spellings. Hovhannes Tumanyan, arguably the best known Eastern Armenian poet, used Akhtamar for the title of his poem. --Երևանցի talk  17:54, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Tumanyan wrote in Eastern Armenian. He used what you claim is the Western Armenian spelling. Do you not see any contradiction here? I've added sources in Eastern Armenian that use both spellings. I dare you add a single reliable source claiming its spelled Aghtamar in Eastern and Akhtamar in Western Armenian. --Երևանցի talk  22:27, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

text: Tumanyan is not the only source I cited. Try to come up with better arguments. I explictly cited two reputable sources in Eastern Armenian which use Ախթամար Akhtamar.  --Երևանցի talk  17:04, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: HyeSK, you dismiss a source (which is there to indicate usage) as "a poet, not a historian" - but you do not present ANY source that supports your content change. All you present is your own opinion - an opinion from neither a poet or historian but just some Wikipedia editor. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:39, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supposed Eastern vs Western Armenian spelling difference 

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message: The Cathedral of the Holy Cross, Aghtamar has less info about its opening than in the present article of Akdamar Island. Could we agree that we could migrate some of it to the article Cathedral of the Holy Cross, Aghtamar? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:08, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Migrate parts to Cathedral of the Holy Cross, Aghtamar?