Talk:Street art

message: Added 2 much needed historical images of street art from the 1980's in NYC. (AVANT Drive-In-Show 1983 04-GrandStreet 3px.jpg and AVANT with Hambleton.jpg)
The article itself barely describes the origins of what has become a world wide movement and while Banksy (real identity unkown) may be a prominent contemporary street artist, I feel it is imperative to show the roots of the Post-Graffiti movement from notable artists. Anybody with a good Kieth Haring photo should please post it as well. As for the rest of the images, I think we can do alot better for contemporay street artists. Hindsite (talk) 11:20, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical images addition

message: Good start, Hindsite — by all means keep up your participation. Yes, this article has very little encyclopedic context. It virtually ignores all historical background/context; Banksy may be the current flavor, but he's neither the inventor nor the be-all end-all of Street Art. Lots of pretty pictures in this article but mostly repetitious blah-blah-blah lacking substance. Also: PLENTY of files of artwork by notable street artists exist on commons, and a few of the existing images currently in the article, uploaded by no-one-of-note, can surely be sacrificed. Also, the full-right-side-image-barrage is far too blog-like for wikipedia. I'm beginning serious revisions here, including addition & deletion of images (which may harm some egos? Sorry), so I'm just politely announcing my upcoming participation here as a solid, neutral contributor. I've just archived all prior/redundant Talk-page topics, and I'll also begin monitoring the article. Penwatchdog (talk) 08:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Continued trimming & restructuring for the greater good of the article. Requesting help/attention to the "Key locations" section; lots of un-referenced bragging and/or lots-of-nothing: Canada: one unsourced sentence about Toronto? Somebody get the Chamber of Commerce on the phone; even Sarasota, Florida, shows more proof! I'm working on an "origins" or-the-like section, which is what's most necessary. But that "Key Location" list should REALLY be re-formatted to some simpler just-the-facts section. Does it really need to be broken into country-by-country city-by-city? Pretty soon we'll have the "Street Art Scene of Sheboygan, Wisconsin" or "Kipnuk, Alaska". I'm sure those places have very vibrant street art scenes of their own; with all due respect just trying to make a point, the first thing I learned about Wikipedia: these articles are NOT-lists-of-EVERYthing. To be continued. Penwatchdog (talk) 14:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Forthcoming revisions from October 13~ 2013

message: Really good to hear from you, and see your excellent work so far!!! Thanks! There's only one thing I'd like your opinion on: Being a native new yorker living in soho 1980-1984, though i think you did very good work on the Rene (best artist) article, I am not clear why an image from him should be on the street art page. He basically constantly re-painted his shop advertisement, and as you point out in the article about him, he was quite disrespected by people in the know.(sure the tourists loved it) If i recall, he did not begin doing that in the 70s, rather in 1980. Also, if street art is "anything that is not graffiti", then we must ask: what is graffiti exactly? My take on this is that street art is not primarily text or caligraphic based work on the street -and certainly not advertisement- which would disqualify Rene as a street artist. 
Also, I see if I can find a Haring "crawling baby" on street-lamp photo. (predates his better known chalk on black-billboard subway works) 
Hindsite (talk) 11:26, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: i'll have to weigh in on this one and beg to differ: street art IS certainly advertising, Hindsite: SELF-advertising! attention junkies crying out "look at ME" or "look at THIS" is all part of their game... do you think any of these people would be doing what they do if they didnt think they could get something out of it? if at very least the pats-on-the-back, chuckles from friends, and self-satisfaction? for some artists, taking it to the streets is the only option, as usual outlets aint providing otherwise... for better or worse, respect it or not, agree or not, "i am the  best artist" wins hands down if we're talking about getting attention and capturing the intrigue of a generation... Rene was (is?) also a pretty interesting character with alot to say and enjoying himself, and thats more than enough of a combination to rub people the wrong way in some circles! Japanglish (talk) 02:10, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Penwatchdog revisions made

message: Mostly heavy shuffling of pre-existing text, but some deletion of repetitive descriptions, blatant promotion, questionable/promotional sources, re-sectioning & re-naming.
Many additional images and deletion of decidedly UN-notable street art.
MUCH was already unsourced when I started. In a few cases I found/added new sources, in other cases I added "citation needed" tags, but not for information I believe to be common knowledge.
As for new material of my own, I've been pulling details from linked articles which have sources of their own; trying to flow those sources into this article became too time-consuming for me at this time; anyone wishing to help with that: help appreciated!
Some new material isn't sourced at all but it's all material which is common knowledge within street art circles, and source material surely exists if necessary at all.
The "Background" section gets kind of iffy (it's a compilation of pre-existing text) but I just left most of it as-is for now and did what I could.
Sections which allow for some expansion: Origins; Early iconic works; Groundbreaking exhibitions.
As I always admit to agreeing with, wikipedia isn't a list of everything, and I can foresee additions of questionable notability to those sections, so I'll continue monitoring here!
I'm just now remembering I intended to add "Fashion Moda" gallery in there somewhere but didn't get around to it.
And I left the one unsourced sentence about Toronto, but it looks kind of silly just sitting there with no examples. Feel free too add or delete!
I'll be monitoring anyway, so, see you all again here! Penwatchdog (talk) 10:31, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  October revision generally completed 

message: I stumbled across Charles Simonds's work in two European museums recently. He started building miniature clay buildings in the streets of New York in 1971. Shouldn't he be mentioned in Street art and/or Street installation?
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20119012,00.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgI66suWifQ
http://www.albrightknox.org/collection/collection-highlights/piece:number-ii-ritual-furnace/
http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/2012/12/charles-simonds-ruined-miniature-clay-homes-little-people/
http://whitney.org/Collection/CharlesSimonds
http://www.charles-simonds.com/biblio/patton.pdf
--Biologos (talk) 10:12, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Charles Simonds start street art in the 70s? 

message: Cornbread birthed modern graffiti in Philadelphia.  Recognize and acknowledge or don't write the entry.
24rhhtr7 (talk) 14:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: So what's stopping you adding a section on Philadelphia? --Escape Orbit (Talk) 16:47, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like I told the other guy, I didn't sign on to edit this page.  I'm simply pointing out that none of you should be editing pages on graffiti or street art if you don't even know the origins of modern graffiti.  24rhhtr7 (talk) 01:18, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're just complaining about a problem you could fix yourself, but don't want to? Gee thanks for that. Do you at least know of any reliable sources to help us out, or would that violate your strict non-editing vow? Grayfell (talk) 02:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not complaining about anything.  I'm calling you out for your lack of knowledge in a way that should embarrass you into fixing the page to reflect the actual history of graffiti and street art.  Where I'm from, if you get shown to not know what you're talking about, it embarrasses you into doing your research.  Clearly that's not the case with you but I really shouldn't be surprised about that.  So glad people like you are editing these pages about urban culture. 24rhhtr7 (talk) 11:36, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shocker!  Yet another article on "street art" with no mention of Philadelphia 

message: James ONeilNailsONeil (talk) 18:49, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: 7/1/2016 James here and I added a new section on Guerilla Sculpture that features an example about the Edward Snowden statue that appeared in New York, Forte Green Park. I will also add an image so readers can get a taste of the quality of the work.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by NailsONeil (talk • contribs) 17:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guerilla Art Submission by James ONeil UMASS Lowell Media Project 

message: Hello, I will be peer reviewing this article. It is a very interesting read, for starters when I read the article title I never thought it mean graffiti, considering so many people don't really consider graffiti as art they see it as simply vandalism but it is in fact art nonetheless. The history section is great, my suggestion would be to possibly add more history about possibly a particular instance that made this first come about, if this is possible for you. Also I would say that a section of controversy and critical aspects would be really great as well, as I mentioned before, since a lot of people see graffiti as vandalism and not art it would be really nice to read about how some people had issues with gorilla art as well, to give all aspects of the article. The part about the gorilla sub culture that you added was very nicely put. Luce Fonrose (talk) 18:00, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
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There is some really good work started here and I think other great information to add!--KatieRob27 (talk) 22:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
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message: The paragraph 'Free art movement' seems not about street art in terms of 'artworks' generated and applied to public buildings or spaces as graffiti or permitted decoration or installation, but about leaving or abandoning items/artwork out in the open in the hope someone will pick them up and want to keep them. 
Both the references suggest leaving art to be found for free did not originate as a street art activity one suggests it was later adopted by a uk 'street artist'. Although some 'street artists' may do this as a way of getting their art seen, is this activity 'street art' by definition? - as it could be construed as littering rather than graffiti for example? So should this section have its own page potentially or be removed from this page?
In terms of the page being too broad, is that not a function of the acceptance, blossoming and broadening aesthetic of, and marketing of 'Street Art' seen recently as it becomes more of a mainstream activity including as its often graphic style is readily transeferable to and from digital media including NFT's Asgar the crippled (talk) 05:46, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Free Art Movement section moved to free culture movement copyright paragraph Asgar the crippled (talk) 11:55, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
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