Talk:D-beat

message: first: the tabs doesn't correspond with the samples!
also, the tabs listed aren't d-beat!?
this is d-beat: (i removed the extra spaces to make the example clear.)
first               ||variation - with consecutive hits, i don't think hihat\crash\ride\toms differs the beat, its the way you hit it.
C:|-x-x-x--x--x-x--:||-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-|
S:|--o---o---o---o-:||--o---o---o---o-| second - chorus goes here as well
K:|-o-o-o--o--o-o--:||-o-o-o--o--o-o--|
second - verse and third is not..
H:|-xxxxxxxxxxx-:| 
S:|--o--o-o--o--:| 
K:|-o-oo-o-oo-o-:| 
seeing as there is no "breaks" between the kickdrum hits, it is a completely different beat, utlizied by a lot of punk bands, yes, but it's not natively "d-beat" is it?
theres plenty bands who've been using this beat since the 60's and let d-beat coin because a lot of punk bands used it is hardly fair. i for one know it primarily as "rock beat" or metal beat.
you have to edit this to get the picture— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.173.114 (talk) 17:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  d-beat...? 

message: hey, i made a page about disclose!
can be found at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disclose
-Marxxxx 16:49, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  disclose page. 

message: Hey all, im new to this. Macho, i was wondering if you knew anything on what c-beat is? I recently heard it through a thrash band George Harrison. They mentioned c-beat in their lyrics.
:i know nothing of c-beat, sounds like a neologism someone made up to make themselves sound cool.  also- i just removed the last sentence of the article, since it was clumsy and inepsy are now included in the list at the end of the article.
:Macho Philipovich 21:21, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: C-beat

message: i fixed a link, and cleaned the band section up.
-Marxxxx 16:49, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Link fixed

message: god, the beat sample there is just the basic rock beat since ancient history, at least the 60's. Bands like Ramones used it heavily in the 70's.
-Pete —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.153.242.34 (talk) 12:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Beat

message: I made sections for the page.  I also cleaned up the Brazil secion somewhat, but I think it needs more work.  Will someone please do that?  Also I standardized the punctuation on this page to "D-beat" (earlier there also times when it was punctuated "D-Beat" and "d-beat").  Is that an acceptable way to do it?  The band list is getting long.  Can we shorten it or sort it by style or region?
-Macho Philipovich 17:34, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "D-beat" is the best way to standardize it, in my opinion Jowe27 03:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sections created

message: Someone changed the start of the article to say that Discharge was a Punk Metal band instead of Hardcore Punk.  To be honest, I don't think it was a useful change, since Hardcore Punk is a common term, yet I have been involved in this scene for years and never heard the term "Punk Metal".  (Maybe "Crossover").  Besides, the Punk Metal article is apparantly slated for deletion. Dan Carkner 13:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted 

message: I think there are too many little-known bands listed on this article.  It seems like every person who comes just looks at it and says "Why--they didn't mention Disclamber!" or whatever and adds one more unheard of band to the list.  Dan Carkner 05:33, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha... Yeah, you're right, I haven't heard of half of the bands mentioned in the list. Maybe we should tone it down and just mention a few well-known D-beat groups. —Quirk 23:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me with other genres, that they have a separate page like "List of Screamo bands" or whatever. People can add to the list to their heart's content.  I do think that it's somewhat pointless to list a little-known band that doesn't have a wikipedia article. Dan Carkner 00:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I created a List of D-beat bands and deleted all red links from the band list on this page. The list on this page should perhaps be even more succinct, but I'm not sure which bands to leave and which to discard. —Quirk 23:21, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh heh, you were even more harsh than I was; I took out about half of them yesterday.  Suits me fine.. Dan Carkner 02:08, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Yeah, and they all try to rip-off Discharge's logo. I almost bought this patch thinking it was Discharge until I looked closer and saw it was some band called Disclose. It's kinda funny and pathetic. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 21:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disclose pwns Discharge anyway. Makes them sound like sissies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.5.147.43 (talk) 01:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, no offense, but I'm shocked that you are here talking about D-beat and you don't know who Disclose is.  They are punk giants, and really are better than Discharge.  They and Totalitar are easily the best D-beat bands ever to exist. —The preceding ~~Luke Sineath comment was added by Luke Sineath (talk • contribs) 01:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  /* too many bands */  

message: A sound sample of D-beat would be great. It is difficult to describe how a specific beat or sound "feels" like to listen to, so a sound sample from either a song or just the beat would be a very good addition here.
I concur--87.64.21.155 10:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Link doesn't work but I'm pretty sure that beat is correct (on the page). Diabolical 19:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Duh, it is really convincing... Link works, check again. Is there a chance your proxy is blocking mp3 files? --Kubanczyk 18:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Working now. It's not the first beat, it's the beat that's playing during the verse. I think the tab is correct. Diabolical 19:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you assured me that tabbing is wrong. But for further verification I made a two quick samples  and . I believe one of them is D-beat and one is not. I have the sources available as *.it tracks, if you want to check precise notation. We can later put right ogg in article. --Kubanczyk 00:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first bit of the first sample is D-beat but the latter half is unnecessary and potentially confusing. Diabolical 02:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. But now you got me confused! --Kubanczyk 07:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Great, thanks for your opinion. This claims to be encyclopedic article and up to this point you are alone in your suggestion about cymbal usage. It would be great if you provide some evidence, that your way is the standard way. I play .ogg with winamp version 2.9. --Kubanczyk 08:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm surprised at your attitude.  The proper tabulation should be clear to anyone who listens to this sort of music, especially since the drum beat never really changes.Discharge Realities of War  Here's some evidence for you.  And another . And another  An example from Dislose  Anti-Cimex live, where you can clearly see the drummer playing d-beat at around 3 minutes or so.  The last bit is on the drummer the whole time.  Here's a Disclose vid, not a lot of focus on the drummer, but enough that you can see that he's hitting a crash, not the hi-hat . Here  is an excellent video of Cluster Bomb Unit.  Nice practice video of Mob 47 .  Massakro .  This drummer is hitting the hi-hat, but still in the pattern which I described above. Given that someone else on this discussion page didn't know who Disclose was, it doesn't suprise me that no-one has disputed the tabulation.  Really there shouldn't be any dispute, and I've given you plenty of evidence on this point, which I don't think was necessary if you listen to this kind of music. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luke Sineath (talk • contribs) 05:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right about the timing. --Kubanczyk 08:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sample? 

message: This article really needs to be re-written and re-formatted, when i first came across it, it had zero wiki links and no proper formatting. I tried to fix some of the worst mistakes, but there's still a ton that needs to be re-worked to bring it up to wikipedia standards.
Jesse K. 23:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, it still looks much worse than it did before after several edits.. How is it an improvement to move the intro to the second paragraph and leave a weird tiny, blank title bar? I guess it's a work in progress, but.. Dan Carkner 14:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a mess 

message: I came from DISCHARGE page and I feel there were a tiny reference/source for d-beat (only the Buzzcocks song). Then I came here and seems that it was made by the same person. There should be a better research about this, 'cos I see that the first direct reference came from Iggy Pop song "I got a right" (TV Eye 1977 EP) which is a 2:20 minute fast-paced d-beat hell of a song. Also there is "The witch" from The Sonics, and if you dig it deep you'll get pieces from Animals singles, Beach Boys and even The Monkees! I could write it by myself but my english is not that good (but I can help on it). So I think this text deserves at least some paragraphs regarding the references and history of this nature of beat. thank you, Bruno. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.181.86.15 (talk) 20:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the references? 

message: Can anyone justify the 'cultural origins' being north america?  I'm not entirely sure how far back Wikipedia refer to by 'origins', but surely the most notable cultural origin would be discharge? And therefore UK.
:I agree, UK and scandinavia. Dan Carkner 22:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I get it, that is just a generic hardcorepunk box, it doesn't refer to this specific style.Dan Carkner 03:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins? 

message: Most of those bands mentioned had zero influence and did not bring "D-beat" to the US Punk scene. That whole sectin needs to be re-written.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.254.17.155 (talk) 00:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  American bands?? 

message: I've suggested that this article be merged with street punk. I find that Wikipedia articles tend to thrive when they amass a great deal of information, and not do very well when they split up into lots of tiny sub-pages. I think the page would make more sense, contextually, as part of the street punk article. Any thoughts? Aryder779 (talk) 14:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What proof do you have that d-beat is related to Street punk? It's seems to me that it is has much mare in common whith hardcore and anarcho punk. 137.186.62.69 (talk) 23:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Read Ian Glasper's Burning Britain, along with The Day the Country Died; these are the two main sources on UK punk. Discharge and its immediate followers (the Varukers) very much emerged from the street punk scene, not from anarcho-punk (Crass) or hardcore punk. They're discussed in Burning Britain (on street punk), not in The Day the Country Died (on anarcho-punk). D-beat has become much more associated with anarcho-punk and crust over the past decade because of groups like His Hero Is Gone, but that's a development, not an origin. The same is true of Swedish groups like Anti-Cimex -- they're much closer to The Exploited and GBH than to Crass or Conflict. This is supported by the Swedish punk encyclopedia. Aryder779 (talk) 15:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Street punk merger

message: "Japanese D-beat bands are usually notable for either faithful emulation of the European Discharge-influenced punk aesthetic (something at which bands like Disclose excel), or for their technically advanced playing, employing a D-beat in the context of a more transcendent and original whole. Bands such as Bastard and Deathside are notable for their strong sense of melody and their subtly metallic playing, although they are not true D-beat bands."
I just removed this section, because it's in particularly egregrious contradiction with WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. I'm intrigued by Japanese D-beat and I'm familiar with Disclose (still mentioned in the article, in the opening paragraph), but I've never heard of Bastard or Deathside and my research turned up nothing on them. It's particularly cryptic that this paragraph asserts that "they are not true D-beat bands". Without further elaboration, its not clear what true D-beat is or why these groups are discussed here. Aryder779 (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese D-beat? 

message: This article opens with a fallacy, and a citation that confirms NOTHING. The Varukers were the original Discore band, the first and best of the hardcore punk acts to take the simple, yet devastatingly effective formula laid down by Discharge and play it as fast, hard, heavy as they could." Glasper 2004, p. 65.
DISCORE is a genre, D-BEAT is specifically a drum beat that is used in many styles of music, there can be discore music that has no d-beat, and there can be d-beat in music that is not discore.!!!!!!!!!!!!! they are certainly NOT SYNONYMS!!! 4.242.192.40 (talk) 12:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: D-beat is a term for both a beat and a style. As a style, the name is synonymous with Discore. See cited references. 170.140.180.111 (talk) 21:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost nobody uses the term Discore as a synonym for D-Beat. Käng and Crust(punk/core) as synonym for D-Beat are however widely used. Discore? Maybe a long time ago by a few people, but not a widely accepted synonym for D-Beat. I would like to see Discore removed or moved to a History section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.136.50.45 (talk) 15:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  D-beat (also known as Discore.... '''WRONG!!!!''' 

message: Two sections, "Drum beat" and "Legacy" are tagged with the "Original research" template but reason is provided and no specific material is tagged. Why, what, where, and how do those sections have original research and need to be cleaned up? Hyacinth (talk) 22:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research

message: There is no such thing as "D-beat" - this is buzzword slang used by a very limited group of people. This beat has been used by countless thousands of bands beyond "the imitators of discharge" - There is no article naming the style of imitators of Ringo Star's drumming - this article should be deleted for lack of notoriety.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.31.7 (talk) 03:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a long established term for the genre. It exists. There is "such a  thing", it falls well within subculture monikers for notoriety by Wikipedia standards. 74.209.54.156 (talk) 07:34, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete it

message: the intro to Running Wizard is a good example of d-beat. ;) 74.209.54.156 (talk) 07:32, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  running wizard 

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message: Is it the repeated use of the drum beat? Because, the bands mentioned are just a lot of hardcore, crust and street punk bands that all use the same drum beat at times. Shouldn't this be the page for a drum beat and bands that use the drum beat, rather than describing a style? The Swedish Wikipedia has a page for Kängpunk and then also a page for the drum beat. Issan Sumisu (talk) 15:04, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the same opinion, but the sources unfortunately say it’s a subgenre, so we can’t change that unfortunately. Having D-beat as a subgenre is like like having blast beat as a subgenre. ~SML • TP  02:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

text: More accurately, one could call the genre "d-beat hardcore", to distinguish it from the drumbeat.
Agree. I’d propose splitting the article into D-beat (rhythm) and D-beat (music sub-genre). Morganfitzp (talk) 16:40, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  What exactly makes this a genre 

message: You tear me up track from buzzcocks another music in a different kitchen 1978 has a proto- dbeat , but there is a times up version of it with Howard devoto so the track must be pre his departure in 1977. Mswestbrom (talk) 16:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buzzcocks