Template talk:Orbital launch systems

message: The SpaceX Falcons are not technically ELVs, seeing as they are re-usable, and the whole meaning of the term "ELV" denotes that the rocket in question is not reusable.
Therefore, I suggest that the template is renamed to cover all rockets capable of launching satellites into orbit. This would also allow the Space Shuttle, and other re-usable launchers to be included. --GW_Simulations|User Page | Talk | Contribs | Chess | E-mail 19:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I dropped this proposal and now support the current system, per discussion below. I have reverted edits by  to the effect of implementing this proposal, per the opposition of this proposal. Please start new discussion if you want to contest the current arrangement. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename?

message: The page for Shavit says that Israel plans to use Indian rockets in the future. Does this put their own launcher in the past? Potatoswatter 15:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shavit? 

message: I think a semi-reusable rocket template should be created and that the Shuttle, Ares V, SpaceX Falcons, and the Energia rocket would be given their proper placement in Wikipedia.  If anyone asks "Why Energia?", the response will be that the four liquid-fueled boosters (which became the Zenit ELV rocket) were reusable and that a fully-reusable Energia was in the works before the collapse of the USSR.  Rwboa22 23:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done - see . --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 22:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Reusable Rocket Template 

message: :Ares - Partially re-usable
:Falcon - Partially re-usable
:Jupiter-C - A sounding rocket. Some were converted into ELVs, but these were called Juno I.
:Redstone - A sub-orbital missile. One or two were used as ELVs, but under a different name, namely Sparta. The Project Mercury versions don't count as they were also sub-orbital.
This list is incomplete, based on things that have been added in the past. Please add to it, but sign your changes. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is like saying no rocket is an ELV because the launch pads are re-usable. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please do not include:

message: A few years ago I proposed expanding the template's scope to encompass all orbital launch systems, not just expendable ones, however the discussion couldn't find a consensus either way. I'd like to propose it again now. In reality this seems to be a more useful categorisation since, as has been seen with Falcon, the line between reusable and expendable rockets is somewhat blurred. The only past or present orbital launch system which is not currently included in this template is the Space Shuttle - it is included in the reusable launch systems template, and could continue to be listed there as well, however that template's scope has significantly altered from being a version of this template for reusable and partially reusable launch systems. It would make sense to have one template for all vehicles capable of reaching orbit rather than exclude the Shuttle simply because it is partially reusable. --W. D. Graham 07:20, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding scope 

message: Hello,
I think the template is starting to overgrow. It is becoming too large and cluttered to serve its purpose. Therefore I suggest the template be split into 3 or at least 2 parts. The 3 parts could be: Orbital launch systems (Current); Retired orbital launch system and Orbital launch systems in development. This would also neatly reflect the current structure of the template. I am not suggesting that anything be taken off the template, I am only suggesting the template be split into parts. 
If the template would be split into 2 parts, those parts could be: Orbital launch systems, which would consist of current and retired orbital launch systems; and Orbital launch systems under development, which would consists of the "In development"-part of the current template.
Thank you,
El Roih (talk) 23:00, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no preference, but I suggest you take a look at the  template. They also overgrew the template content, and someone came up with this idea of collapsible sub-sections. Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 23:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

text: As navboxes go, this one is not particularly crowded. A split would prevent readers from seeing links between current and historical vehicles (e.g. the Soyuz series). — JFG talk 07:43, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good point JFG. So maybe splitting into 3 would be unwise. But how about splitting into 2 (the current and retired launch systems and the systems under development)? That would retain the links between current and historical vehicles. Also, splitting into 2 would have the added benefit of increasing the quality of the template. What I mean by this is that taking the systems under developments into their own template, what would remain (the current+historic launch systems) would be solid fact. Being an "orbital launch system in development" does not actually mean a whole lot nowadays (if it ever has, the history of spaceflight is full of rocket designs that never made it anywhere near the launch pad), with some small orbital launcher development projects being basically a group of guys operating from a garage. So taking the "under development" ones out, we would eliminate a lot of uncertainty from the template, and as said above, what would remain would at least be the kind of solid fact you would expect to find from an encyclopedia like Wikipedia (I honestly think some of the "in development" rocket programs are more hearsay than any type of encyclopedic material). Thank you, El Roih (talk) 02:50, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that we should not give prominence to "paper rockets", and we should monitor developments of listed projects here. I just removed a few of them, that were either canceled or not moving forward. I'm convinced that once-a-year assessment of progress is a better approach than splitting the template. — JFG talk 23:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the template 

message: I won't speculate on what is and isn't "notable," but the following companies/vehicles are notable enough to merit their own Wikipedia articles, so should they also merit inclusion in this template? Perigee Aerospace, TiSPACE, Skyrora, Skyroot Aerospace. Rwald (talk) 03:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional in-development vehicles