Talk:Battle of Kleidion

message: #Why are the first and second notes in the lead? There is really no need to source things in the lead but since the sources are in Bulgarian (I assume), I don't know what they say. In any case, sources should only really be used in the lead for direct quotes, everything else should be referenced further down the article, where it appears in the text.
#All sources should be after punctuation. Preferably this means a full stop but a comma is OK. I moved a few but missed others. Please make sure this is complied with.
#All web sources should have last access dates and publication information as per WP:CITE or Template:Cite web. Please make sure they all comply.
Otherwise I think the article is in good shape. I obviously cannot read the sources but it seems that the English ones are OK. As I heavily edited the prose I no longer feel qualified to judge its standard and so will apply today for another reviewer to check over this. I should think they will have further comments.--Jackyd101 (talk) 16:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tweaked a few MOS things, but have a couple of comments.  First, in the Bulgarian sources, I take it the "c. " is page number?  If so, I think it should actually be "p. " or "pp. " (for ranges).  Second, you might want to look at the transliteration and latinization of the Cyrillic text, as PMAnderson commented on in the Sumuil of Bulgaria FAC.  Of course, that was FAC not GAN, but worth considering.  Carré (talk) 09:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am personally happy for this article to pass, provided jackturner3 is happy with the state of the prose and any other comments he may have. I leave the eventual passing or failing of this article up to him. Nice work everyone and thankyou.--Jackyd101 (talk) 02:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Notes

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
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:Done to three reasonably short paragraphs. Also removed material with inline citations from lead. --Lantonov (talk) 08:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. The inline sources too. --Lantonov (talk) 09:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I dropped Jackturner3 a line a few days ago about this but he hasn't responded. Since I'm happy with the article and it looks like you have addressed all the issues he brought up, I'm going to pass this myself. If you (jackturner3) object strongly then please take it to GAR.--Jackyd101 (talk) 09:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: Explaining some of the changes I made.
Cantacuzenus and Gregoras were given as sources to this statement: "The wide valley of the Strumitsa River was a convenient place for attack and it had been used by Byzantine forces for this purpose in previous years. The Bulgarians disposed a strong guard to keep the pass safe." I think that Mitrev will suffice. There is no chance that either John VI Cantacuzenus or Nicephorus Gregoras had written anything about the battle of Kleidion, since their chronicles cover events from the 13th and the 14th century.
As far as I know Skylitzes doesn't mention July 31 as the date of Samuel's death. I rely on the Bulgarian translation in Greek Sources on the History of Bulgaria (in Bulgarian), Vol. VI, p. 284. 
Bulgaria lost Dyrrhachium much earlier than 1018. This is mentioned in the article itself. John Vladislav was killed while trying to recapture the city (cf. Runciman).--Dobrin (talk) 21:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors - Cantacuzenus, Skylitzes, Dyrrhachium 

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message: There is no logic in naming this battle as "battle of Kleidion". Both now and in 1014 the battlesite was in Bulgarian teritory so one should use the original name.  It is not true that "Kleidion" is the medieval name of the village. It is just the greek transcription of the original one. 31.182.223.191 (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Kljuch 

message: Kljuch is not an correct name. All Byzantine chroniclers mentioned the Kampulongu name. It is today in Bulgaria but it was and it is a n area of Aromanians and Kimbalungu was Campulungu in Aromanian. Probably, some nationalists do not want to admit byzantine names. 79.118.83.247 (talk) 09:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Kampulongu