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Talk:Lead off

message: Even the redundancy is redundant.
First, there is a List of baseball jargon entry for "leadoff hitter."  That belongs there and provides a good definition with two usages.
Second, there is a WP article "Leadoff hitter," which has an inadequate definition, then a list of historical leadoff hitters (a marginal list-making exercise, IMO).
Third, there is the present WP article, "Lead off," which has an OK definition but it's nothing more than that.
My recommendation is that the two WP articles be deleted and that we let the List of baseball jargon do its work as a glossary since the term leadoff hitter is appropriate there in any case.--Mack2 (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant articles

message: The request for citations is 14 years old now, and I have never heard of someone refer to this as a "lead-off," but only just a "lead."  Can we delete this or remake it under the correct term?  216.107.215.219 (talk) 17:36, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: "Lead off?"
Talk:Leadoff hitter

message: First, there is a List of baseball jargon entry for "leadoff hitter." That belongs there and provides a good definition with two usages.
Second, there is this WP article "Leadoff hitter," which has an inadequate definition, then a list of historical leadoff hitters (a marginal list-making exercise, IMO).
Third, there is another WP article, "Lead off," which has an OK definition but it's nothing more than that.
My recommendation is that the two WP "articles" be deleted and that we let the List of baseball jargon do its work as a glossary since the term leadoff hitter is appropriate there in any case.--Mack2 (talk) 13:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant articles

message: Eventually, I will post a list of all-time leaders in games started leading off and replace it with the current list of notables - taking it from a POV list to a list with data. But I am too busy at the moment to complete this task. Kingturtle (talk) 20:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  notables 

message: I noticed that the previous version of the leadoff hitter page was considered to be unencyclopedic and contained "original research," so I decided to change up the strategy section of the page dramatically. Is it better now? Didi666 (talk) 16:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamped page
Talk:Pinch runner

message: The Baseball Positions table could include a link to a Knuckleball pitcher as another example of "type" of pitcher utilized within the MLB.  Although the topic exists for Knuckleball, as opposed to Knuckleballer or Knuckleball Pitcher, I think the link content is synonymous. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuckleball SquashEngineer (talk) 03:12, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links
Talk:Rachel Smith

message: WikiProject Biography Assessment
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 14:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 
Talk:Dani Reeves

message: *Dani Reeves offical website
*Miss Iowa USA offical website
*Miss USA official website
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Thanks. 206.156.242.36 20:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links
Talk:Ashley Harder

message: "Miss USA rules do not specifically mention a prohibition of being pregnant while unmarried, but their rules do prohibit participants from being pregnant and from being married."
What exactly is the point of the first part of this sentence?  
I think the only relevant statement in this sentence is that pageant rules prohibit participants from being pregnant, and that's why Harder relinquished her crown.  Stating that "Miss USA rules do not specifically mention a prohibition of being pregnant while unmarried" adds absolutely nothing other than to take a subtle dig at Harder for becoming pregnant out of wedlock, which seems pretty petty and tacky.  
Why not say: "Miss USA rules do not specifically mention a prohibition of driving a 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air while hand-feeding a domesticated mongoose, but their rules do prohibit participants from being pregnant and from being married?" . . . because that's just about as relevant as what is currently written.  Miss USA rules do not specifically mention a lot of things . . . why not list them all?
152.130.15.14 15:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment above is right. Edited to remove the unnecessary wording. 63.172.193.57 20:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A subtle attempt at a character attack? 
Talk:Player to be named later

message: I don't know who drafted this article, but that person has zero idea of PTBNL or why it exists.  It is all about clearing waivers afte the no-trade deadlines.  99% of the time the teams know exactly who they are trading.  It is just that the player has to clear waivers and if he doesn't, then they will finish the trade when clearing waivers is not required.  It is just a way around the trade deadline.  Or, at least, for the last several years that is the vast majority of PTBNL trades. Vegaswiki (talk) 14:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Waivers

message: It looks like most of this page was lifted from this article. Zzsignup (talk) 04:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism

message: Sub section should be added for Hall of Famers who were PTBNLs such as David Ortiz. 88T3 (talk) 20:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable PTBNLS
Talk:Melanie Mudry

message: Melanie Varian is the name that she goes by now. This is also thename that people now know her as.
67.85.37.224 (talk) 17:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Against From a google search, I found that she is known as Melanie Mudry from competing at Miss USA and as Melanie Varian from competing at Mrs. America. Since Miss USA is more notable, I would think that Melanie Mudry is her WP:COMMONNAME. I will add a redirect page for Melanie Varian, though. What does everyone else think? MissAmericaGirl (talk) 21:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose move of page to Melanie Varian
Talk:Quality start

message: There's is this storys that now says that its going to be now 7 innings to get quality starts.
The unearned runs count as well.  For example, if 4 unearned runs are given up, it's not a quality start even if only 2 of them were earned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.30.135.13 (talk) 22:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Change to stat

message: Here's discussion on why QS should not be ripped so much:
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsstand/discussion/henneman_mlb_should_abolish_quality_start_from_statistics/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamcyclops (talk • contribs) 21:01, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Negative 

message: "Since 1921, and through the 2014 MLB season, the overall leaders by percentage (min. 100 starts)" is wrong.  Jacob deGrom leads the all-time section with 136 starts.  He was a rookie in 2014, so it's obviously including starts after 2014 for him.  I don't know if it's including starts after 2014 for other active pitchers, so I didn't change the year to 2018.
EvanJ35 (talk) 22:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  All-Time Through 2014 Error 

message: IIRC, the stat was developed for managerial purposes.  It's peace of mind to know your guy won't combust early on and tax the bullpen, a guy who will hand off to the setup man in the seventh inning with the team at least still in the game.
It doesn't reflect great pitching, it reflects steady pitching.  And that is a prize.  Looking at the 2019 statistics, the number of pitchers who give quality starts even 60% of the time averages only to about one per team.68.196.1.236 (talk) 13:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peace of Mind 

message: I'm a bit confused by why two of the columns in the table in this section are even there. This table seems to list the all time career leaders for quality starts (QS) but it seems to show their stats only in their quality starts, not all of their career. As such the column 'GS' seems superfluous--if we are limiting the table to what happened only in the quality starts then, by definition, QS will always match GS. Additionally, if we are talking about games the pitcher had a quality start, those are certainly starts so the SV number (saves) will always be zero. Please let me know your thoughts but absent any comments I'll delete the two columns GS and SV in a few days. Dash77 (talk) 03:45, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As no objections were noted I've gone ahead and made this change. Dash77 (talk) 03:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  All-time Career Quality Start Leaders 

message: well with this recent game Valdez went to 22 QS in a row this makes him have the longest streak for a left handed pitcher. 158.135.173.179 (talk) 03:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Framber Valdez
Talk:Scoring position

message: Ah, how the world attempts to make me scatterbrains beneath this helmet!  But, behold, let me present a solution!  Batting average with runners in scoring position would be more fitting as a section of this page and seems an unnecessary diversion for these twin topics to carry on two separate articles.  As a relatively new user of Wikipedia, I'm not as fully versed on the policy that might lend credence to my claim as I am on say, the codes of knight hood, so perhaps one is better informed than me can devise that solution, if necessary.  I've also added a list of the top bearers of the bat of the realm for all to gander.  Cheers!--Elcid.ruderico (talk) 02:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging BA with RISP to this page
Talk:Nicole Bosso

message: WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 19:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 

message: considering the subject, I think a photo is essential.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.148.67 (talk) 21:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture needed 
Talk:Harrisburg Academy

message: I am Harrisburg Academy's director of communications and as such, am authorized to update this text on behalf of our school.  I attempted to update the entry in July 2013 and my edits were removed on Sept. 19, 2013, with the page reverting back to pre-July text.  
I did not write the pre-July text (not sure who wrote this on behalf of our school?), but it was largely incorrect, although Wikipedia recognizes it as being accurate/"verified."  I would like to take the steps necessary to make sure my new text is "verified" so that it stays posted, and would ask that if you are an editor who sees this text as being unsuitable for any reason, please contact me and instruct me how to amend the text to make it suitable.  I can be contacted through www.harrisburgacademy.org. 
71.173.128.172 (talk) 13:40, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sept 20, 2013 Page Updates - Correct and Verified
Talk:Slide (baseball)

message: The article should state - if anyone can find a reliable, citable source - the stats of injuries.  I read somewhere that sliding was the #1 cause of sports injuries in America, from Little League on up.  Tempshill (talk) 20:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Injuries 

message: Has the slide always been part of baseball / softball? Do we know when it was first done?
*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 23:02, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  History?
Talk:Small ball (baseball)

message: I think it might be worth including some sort of "controversy" section.  There have been studies that have shown fairly conclusively that in most situations, "small ball" actually decreases the expected number of runs scored.  I'm not sure of a good way to include this information in a NPOV manner though (although I personally don't feel that NPOV should apply when one side is demonstrably correct, but that's another issue).Mickeyg13 07:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: Does anyone else agree that the see also should also link to Whiteyball? Whiteyball seems to be a minor variation of small ball. scottm1212 03:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup - I've added it. Mindmatrix 14:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: See also
Talk:Andrés Laguna

message: I removed the translation notice from the article since it's been proofread (thanks Jrbbopp!), but I'm putting it here in case anyone else would like to help. You can never have too many proofreaders! Trevor 06:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: The last line of the second section was hard to translate. I rendered it:
*When not a direct source he appears to draw from the works of one Gonzalo Fernández de Oviedo.
The proofreader changed that to:
*When he did not draw from a direct source, he appears to draw from the works of one Gonzalo Fernández de Oviedo. 
For reference, a literal translation might be:
*In the sense it is not direct source it is as if it's the work of Gonzalo Fernandez of Oviedo.
The sense I drew from the original was that Laguna himself was the direct source referred to: he wasn't drawing from another source. Is there a better way to phrase that? Trevor 21:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation questions 
Talk:Tag out

message: (Never mind.) WHPratt (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :In jeopardy and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11#In jeopardy until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  WPscatter t/c 21:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In jeopardy" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]
Talk:Yellow Hammer

message: Is this actually notable?  I've never heard the term before, was unable to find it in any of my baseball books, and "yellow hammer" + curveball produced fewer than 300 hits on Google.  Is this a Japanese term?Alternator
It's an old-fashioned baseball term, but it is used with regularity during baseball broadcasts, especially those featuring older former players.  In general, the term only applies to exceptional curveballs with snapping twelve-to-six break (think Doc Gooden), so that further reduces its frequency of use.  The declining use of the term coincides with the declining use of the curveball in MLB.  Almost every pitcher used to throw a curve, but the pitch has been superseded by the slider as the primary breaking ball used by pitchers.  Splitters, cutters, and hybrid slider-curves (slurves) are fairly new pitches that have combined with the conventional slider to reduce the use of true curves (and, by extension, yellow hammer curves).
The article was improved quite a bit, especially the change from just calling it "a curveball" to explaining that it is a certain type of curveball.  Wish I could do something helpful, but whoever made the addition--nice work.Alternator 06:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not very notable. To the extent that it is used in practice, it belongs in the List of baseball jargon, where in fact it's already included.  It doesn't need to be a separate article. Little more than a definition is needed.--Mack2 (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've listened to hundreds of games on the radio and watched hundreds more on TV.  Never once have I heard a broadcaster call a twelve-to-six curve a "Yellow Hammer."
I strongly believe that this is notable.  I used to pitch and I knew what the term meant but did not know the origin.  If you need to hear it used you can listen to Hawk Harrelson's description of White Sox pitcher Bobbie Jenks in the 9th inning of any game including 7/20/09. Db2121 (talk) 03:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Hawk Harrelson is reviled by everyone but White Sox fans.  Just because he calls a sharp-breaking curve a "yellow hammer" doesn't legitimate the term, let alone make it notable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.7.237 (talk) 08:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: Is automated redirection appropriate? Don't forget the yellow hammer is also a bird. Better to make a disambiguation page, don't you think?
Voronda 23 May 2010.  —Preceding undated comment added 06:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirection
Talk:Long reliever

message: I put a "citation needed" tag on the partial-sentence "a long reliever is often a team's least effective pitcher".  This may be true, but to me it seems questionable.  If the starting pitcher has given up several (or more) runs in the first few innings and it's not getting better (which is the most common reason why he would be taken out so early), you want a guy who is hopefully going to "get the game under control" (as the article says elsewhere).  Since his team is now down, let's say for example, five runs, the only way to "get the game under control" is to give up no runs, or maybe at most, one run and hope his team scores some runs (or in the NL, help his team score some runs).  For that, a team is going to rely on its "least effective pitcher"?  I don't see the logic.  Neutron (talk) 16:02, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Least effective"
Talk:West Coast Trail

message: I've removed this as it's not supported by the source: 
"On average 3.4 hikers perish along the trail per year.  
" The source, by the way, is also full of amusing fictions, particularly about bears. Not a reliable source :) Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hiker death statistics
Talk:Brushback pitch

message: IMHO, this article could just as easily be deleted.  The term is already in the List of baseball jargon at brushback. It doesn't require a picture.--Mack2 21:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jargon
Talk:The Land Conservancy of British Columbia

message: It's not all that normal that organizational articles have "the" in the title; that's usually for books, films etc.  I note taht this org's chosen acronym is TLC which I guess has something to do with it; its formal legal title under the Societies Act would seem to be the arbiter; I'm just noting this for discussion for now....Skookum1 (talk) 01:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note the separate articles North West Company and The North West Company.24.108.58.49 (talk) 23:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Name?
Talk:Knuckle curve

message: Both external links point to a message from the original webmaster about making the articles on the website private.
http://www.baseballmedia.com/#about 98.115.236.101 (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links defunct
Talk:Submarine (baseball)

message: It seems to me that the sidearm pitchers listed on this page should be on the Sidearm page, and the submariners on this page. Otherwise, shouldn't Submariner just be a subset of Sidearm?  Joelthesecond (talk) 21:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sidearmers on submariner page

message: AKA underhand?? 213.149.61.120 (talk) 19:07, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other names 

message: Any info on the highest recorded speed of a submarine pitch in MLB and Japan? Setenzatsu (talk) 16:09, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed
Talk:First baseman

message: I just removered the citation needed tag about left-hand-throwing first basemen having an edge over righties when holding or tagging runners on pick-off moves. I quote the following: "When you're holding a runner on, the tag is right there as opposed to catching it and reaching across". It's somewhat taken for granted that lefties have this advantage, so I couldn't find a better source. Gabriel C (talk) 23:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference added 
Talk:Left fielder

message: Look, I'm all for idioms with cute etymologies when they're true, the problem is 90% of the time they're just folk tales someone made up to fit the phrase. The "source" for the phrase "out of left field" currently on the page seems a little too fanciful and involved to be true. Plus, the article English language idioms derived from baseball says the phrase "out of left field" is debated, and gives another equally-implausible sounding Babe Ruth story. As best as I can tell, it's just one of those everyday expressions of debatable origin that we'll probably never figure out, so there's no use stating a local college rumor as fact here. Thoughts? atomicRED (talk) 05:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I'm relatively certain that this has to do with "Death Valley" in Yankee Stadium circa 1923-1976. During this time period, the shape of the outfield in Yankee Stadium roughly approximated an oval, with the "long" portion pointing to left-center. A left-fielder would thus typically be stationed further back from the action than the center or right fielders, as he would have a greater amount of ground to cover. Hence, "out in left field" meant one was furthest from the action at home-plate, and hence (with a pinch of figurative whimsy) the most likely to draw erroneous, nutjob conclusions. The Babe Ruth story is fucking bullocks. Nobody - nobody - goes to a ballgame to watch a player play in the outfield, especially not a player like the Bambino, whose skill with the stick far surpassed his speed and grace with the glove. I don't care how many published books cite it, it doesn't make it any less bullocks. Badger Drink (talk) 10:02, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Out of Left Field" etymology 

message: I believe a section about playing left field for the Boston Red Sox should be included due to the "Green Monster" at Fenway Park and the three Baseball Hall of Fame members who played left field for the franchise: Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski and Jim Rice. DavidSteinle (talk) 15:39, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significance of playing left field for the Red Sox
Talk:Outfielder

message: This blog is apparently some random thoughts by this blogger, and is not a besic reference tool for the term Outfielder.  I won't remove it, but I figure someone with more experience on this page should look into it. CodeCarpenter (talk) 19:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After over a week with no response, I figure there is nobody on this page steadily, so I will remove it. CodeCarpenter (talk) 16:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blog helps define "Outfielder"? 

message: There is some discussion about 'Many of the best power hitters in baseball play in the outfield, where they do not have as constant involvement in fielding plays as other positions' and then Babe Ruth moving from pitcher to outfielder is the example given. Great example of a power hitter, but not a good example for the infield to outfield move - he was a once every four/five games pitcher. Don't have a valid example of other first line power hitters moving to the outfield myself.--Fizbin (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infielder to Outfielder
Talk:Audax (cycling)

message: ... old stuff deleted... We can, as I am attempting, to stipulate that there is confusion over the use of the term and that in the confused use of the term it does most definitly use a card...
Prestonjb 04:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

message: :The "true audax" style seems to well in the minority of activity these days, but it does rate a mention.
:The approach I propose is to:
:* make randonneur the main article, with the history (including much of the content from Audax (cycling) and Brevet (cycling)
:* simplify Audax (cycling) so that it is more like a definition, with competing uses (audax vs allure libre) in different countries
:* simplify Brevet (cycling) so that it just focuses on the brevet card
Do you think this will work/  Peter Campbell 11:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Should it be pronounced oh-dax or ow-dax? Poker Flunky 17:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation