Talk:Wing Chun/Archive 2

message: I am tempted to drop the article down to Start class mainly because of the lack 2of sources but also because of the appearance.  It is just messy.  The pronounciation box interferes with the Table of contents and the wiki-tables (although I can see what was attempted) are just ugly.  As it is I've added a cleanup tag.Peter Rehse 09:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done it for the MA project as it needs lots of work form our perspective. --Nate1481( t/c) 11:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I moved the pronounciation box - better but still not pretty.Peter Rehse 11:17, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: The article says "The Three Great Southern Martial Art Schools of the South" - Isn't this redundant? Applejuicefool 19:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundancy? 

message: At least, I'm pretty sure that is the majority view.
I think we can include darts, chin na and other bits and pieces, but I believe the majority treat wing chun as a striking art, not some hybrid (which if you read the page, implies MMA/JKD spirit).
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I'm changing the box to say "striking" only. I don't think this is unreasonable. Rpf 15:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, because we "control" to strike.  Most would consider it as a striking and "trapping" art.  And then, everyone does kicks as well.  Which is why the original box was actually more accurate.  Nate's the one who put up "Hybrid" as a compromise, which I also agree doesn't sound right.  I'm going to include the others back in, except the chi na, since its not as common across the board. --Marty Goldberg 17:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wing Chun is a striking art.