Talk:Medical school in the United States

message: I think there are more than 30 schools in the U.S. that offer an osteopathic degree.
http://www.aacom.org/about/colleges/Pages/default.aspx  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishwajraval (talk • contribs) 01:15, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of osteopathic medical schools 

message: Hopping is reverting my edits to the 'see also' portion of this article. My version describes what medical students are doing (working toward a degree, either M.D. or D.O.). Hopping's is redundant, especially for a "see also". I would prefer that my version be restored. Other thoughts? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Medical_school_in_the_United_States&diff=168877809&oldid=168877276 Antelan talk 04:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually I would agree with you, but in this case I think it is important that people reading the article be familiar with these terms. That said, I don't like how Hopping has a tendency to overuse the term "allopathic" in other articles.  It should only be used when a direct comparison with osteopathic medicine is being made. Nathanaver 16:12, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osteopathic DO 

message: I wanted to respond to Nathanaver concern and state a general position on this issue, so others can understand the principles behind my edits.  These are all my personal opinions. These are not necessarily ideas that should be included in a Wikipedia article.  I present them since I feel some authors question my motives, or adduce my edits as evidence for an agenda or a significant COI.  I am hoping that by disclosing these ideas, I will promote a more productive process for everyone, and improve the quality of these articles in general.
#The fact that US medical education has two parallel yet distinct "universes" (MD & DO) is an oddity.
#The actual, practical differences between allopathic and osteopathic are very minor, as evidences by large studies such as this one.  So minor, in my opinion, as to almost be trivial.  I say almost trivial, since there are some lingering consequences of this split.  I find those remaining differences to be highly encyclopedic. 
#Understanding these differences, especially for anyone outside of US medicine, is difficult.   The relevant issues are often subtle or complex, as well as mutable in many cases.  Further obfuscating the issue are commonly held beliefs of popular culture, such as the letters "MD"  being synonymous with physician, leading to the confusing labeling of DOs as MDs (as demonstrated here).  This situation exists because of a general lack of familiarity with the term "osteopathic" and an almost total ignorance of the term "allopathic."  Also, though there are differences in education and training, the endpoint of these two pathways is virtually identical.  For most people, i.e. non-physicians, this endpoint is all they have knowledge of.
#I have no interest in promoting osteopathic medicine as some superior kind of medicine.  My personal opinion is that this idea that osteopathic physicians "treat the whole patient" is utter nonsense, though I am aware that others would disagree with me.  I have made a point of including some rather harsh criticism (as here) as well as including authors and studies that suggest that the significance of the uniqueness of osteopathic medicine is exaggerated (as here) and here).
#There are a limited number of situations in which the word allopathic is needed.  In these limited situations it is very necessary.  There is a reason why when the National Residency Matching Program releases its yearly report on Match results for all participants in the match, they use the word "allopathic" in their first chart (see Chart 1.)  There is a reason why when the AAMC director gives testimony to congress about the status of medical education in the United States in 2007, he uses the word allopathic 21 times.  There is a reason why the president of the AAMC uses the term allopathic in a letter describing the status of medical education in the U.S..   There is a reason why the US dept of labor uses the term allopathic on its lead page describing the occupations physician and surgeon.  Likewise there is a reason why countless on authors and publications  use the allopathic to describe one part of the US medical education system, as shown here, here, and here.
#User Antelan has asked me very pointedly what that reason is, why authors and organizations use the term allopathic in these situations, versus some other descriptive term.  That is a perfectly legitimate question, which I think is extraordinarily difficult to answer concisely and satisfactorily.  Any reason I give would be speculation on my part, as I don't know why this term is used over some other term.  I would posit that authors and speakers on the subject of medical education feel that this term is the most descriptive, best possible word to use in distinguishing the allopathic medical universe from the parallel yet distinct osteopathic one right beside it.
#For the sake of clarity, I will identify where, in my opinion.  In general, one needs the term when describing an entity which is duplicated in both the allopathic and osteopathic world.
*Medical education in the United States
*List of medical schools in the United States
*National Residency Matching Program and National Matching Service
*ACGME
*COMLEX and USMLE
*American Association of Medical Colleges and American Association of Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine
*M.D. and D.O.
*Comparison of allopathic and osteopathic medicine
*History of the relationship of allopathic and osteopathic medicine
*Electronic Resident Application Service (which oddly coordinates the applications of ACGME & AOA accredited residencies, despite the fact that ERAS is run by the AAMC) 
I may be leaving something out, but I think these are the most important ones.  I hope that at the very least, this clarifies where I am coming from, and encourages a spirit of cooperation in these articles.  I would really prefer a positive climate for everyone. User:Hopping T  20:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: General Response

message: Hi everybody, I'm a student at the National College of Natural Medicine in Portland, Oregon.  It's one of 4 accredited naturopathic medical schools in the United States, and graduates can sit for licensing exams which allows them to practice as a physician in various US jurisdictions.  I think the naturopathic medical schools should be mentioned in this entry--right now viewers are just directed to the alternative medicine entry, which is defined on the page as "practices are based on unscientific belief systems or philosophies."  Just to be clear, naturopathic medical schools require the same general set of undergraduate prerequisites that allopathic and osteopathic medical schools do, and naturopathy students take the same general set of preclinical didactic courses.
There are big differences, for example ND students have 4 years of didactic education, some of which is concurrent with their clinical education, and they are not required to complete a residency before practicing as physicians, but these are differences that should be expounded somewhere; if not on this page, then on a "Naturopathic medical school" page that this page links to.
I'd love to hear anyone's comments before I make any changes.  Thanks!
Lamaybe (talk) 21:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naturopathic medical school

message: This term is poorly understood, and has several meanings, including derogatory ones. I have replaced the term with MD or other, well understood and unambiguous, words where appropriate. I had no expectation that this would be controversial, and I'm sure they are good changes that the community will approve of. --221.202.40.78 (talk) 20:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allopathic 

message: there is a part of this text that says there are extreme exceptions in which a person does not need an undergrad degree to enter medical school, can anyone elaborate?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.248.11.134 (talk) 17:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, very simply the school can chose to accept an applicant without an undergraduate degree.  It isn't a legal issue but one of policy with an individual school.  There has been a minor elaboration in the article.--MartinezMD (talk) 03:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No need for undergrad degree? 

message: When I was in school (my friends at other schools too) I was told they did not officially rank our performance (20 years ago).  As a chief resident I was surprised later, when selecting candidates for our residency, to find that to be completely false.  The Dean's letter included a coded summary at the ended such as "We recommend this candidate..." = marginal performance vs "We highly recommend this candidate..." = above average.  Most letter packets I saw included a separate page that included what the wording meant - top 5%, top 20%, bottom 50% etc.  If this practice still exists, I would like to include it.  Anyone have a source? --MartinezMD (talk) 03:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on Grading/Ranking 

message: *Is it true that if a med school student leaves med school for awhile, he/she cannot re-enter? Is it like a fail?
*Is it true that a med school student must get straight A's all the time, or else fail/be expelled?
*Is it true that med students can't take tests over again?
*Is it true that, in the USA, most hospitals are private, and government hospitals have been taken over by private univerities?
*Is it nearly impossible for whites to become doctors in the U.S. because of race quotas?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.80.45 (talk) 08:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Are these true?

message: I just got back from the annual AAMC convention on medical education and was quite impressed with the level of change going on.  There are many ways that technology has been changing the way we deliver medical education, but not a lot of that has made it into these pages.  Any suggestions for what level of detail I should add?
Also, I updated both articles regarding the level of medical student indebtedness.  It is interesting that most other countries do not finance medical education with personal debt.  I also think that lots of evidence suggests that the level of indebtedness has far-reaching implications from primary care to the abuses of fee for service.  I appreciate any input in this area as well.Chicagolive (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Affairs in Medical Education 

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message: Really? This is ridiculous! Two sentences about one reform report, is the entire history of medical schools in the United States?!? If there is an entire article somewhere in Wikipedia, it needs to be referenced here. I know a lot more than this but I do not have references. Please will some historian expand this section?  Or better yet write an article and link it here. Thanks, Nick Beeson (talk) 13:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: I am new to this process so please bear with me.  I came to this page to understand the regulations imposed on medical schools -- what is required for a university to add a medical school and any regulations that limit the supply.  I've been told that Congress sets the maximum number of internships which limits the number of doctors trained in any year.  I have no expertise in this area, but it is an area that experts might want to consider adding.
Thank you.
Drcswartz (talk) 17:42, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of regulations on medical school development

message: The last paragraph in the "Admissions" section has an error. If you follow the referenced link (https://www.aamc.org/media/6066/download), in the 2020-2021 cycle there were actually 22,666 matriculants from 62,443 applicants for a total medical school acceptance rate of 36.3%. Alphaadrenergicagonist (talk) 23:21, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
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