Talk:List of banjo players

message: *Raymond Fairchild
*Dewitt Jenkins
*Oren Jenkins
*Steve Lutke
*Bobby Thompson
*Buddy Wachter
:someone really needs to at least put something in the article about Buddy Wachter..he`s been around a long time and a lot of people say he`s the best 4 string player in the world..that it really comes down to him on 4 string and Bela Fleck on 5 string...it`s pretty strange he`s not at least mentioned in this article. Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 16:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I talked to Buddy several years ago at the Sacramento BanjoRama and asked him to send me a list of articles that I could use as references. While he's a prolific performance and has many impressive accolades to his name, its not easy to get info about him that isn't WP:OR or a primary source. Maybe we should just piece together what we can to get any kind of article up. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

text: ;;I really don`t know what to say about this..I worked in a pizza parlor with him and a pianist named Ray Nelson..I was just an employee..I`m not his manager or anything..I just know he is very good...played Carnegie Hall a while back I think..he`s very good and very well known in banjo circles..he really should be in the article somewhere..I`ve been trying to track him down for years but he won`t answer an e-mail..if you are reading this Buddy I`m studying the Mickey Baker jazz method..would like to talk..thanks. Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 20:50, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: priority list to be created

message: I have removed the link to WP:Notable, it is a WP:Selfref, and have added the caveat from the discussion above that it be a significant part of their output. Please feel free to improve that wording.
 
My attention has been brought to this page, and the ongoing dispute.  It seems to me that there are a number of misconceptions. Firstly, there is nothing wrong with red-links1, nor with having unlinked members of the list.  However there is cartainly a case for challenging the notability of any given artist - as somoen mentioned this can be substatited with references.  The fundamental question is wheather to remove all unreferenced material, or allow time (how much?) for references to be supplied.  As someone who works on the maintenance categories the dilemma is sharpened as I see that vast amount of material that needs supporting, but is, nevertheless, valuable.  IN this case it seems to me that the list is/was
# Generated in good faith.
# Populated by knowledgeable editors.
Threfore I would suggest leaving the names in, but unlinked, while references are sought.
Regards Rich Farmbrough, 14:39 16 July 2007 (GMT).
1. Except that red-links to people often become blue when somoene of the same name has an article created.
:RF. 14:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would all work fine provided editors actually followed up on the redlinks and created articles for them. Unfortunately, time has proven that this doesn't happen and the list becomes just another useless Wiki-article of which there are already too many. Multiple users, including one of the most active music related Wiki:project as a whole, have determined the better process for creating these lists is to build them off of the discussion page. And its a process that's working and has resulted in formerly useless lists becoming featured articles. Notability is governed by WP:BIO, WP:BAND, WP:MUSIC etc. Anyone who meets the criteria laid out in those guidelines can have an article created for them and then be added to their appropriate list. It's a process thats working well and many lists are being transformed from 'high school band rosters' into verifiable/reliable resources. 156.34.142.110 15:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest following Rich's suggestion - include the notable players that do not have articles, and by all means, eliminate any non-notable individuals that were previously included.  As has already been mentioned, what you (156.34.142.110) are proposing goes against well-established Wikipedia editing guidelines.  Furthermore, there is nothing that suggests to me that including unlinked or redlinked entries renders such a list "useless".  On the contrary, it seems that the list is much less useful if it omits widely known, notable players (for example, Alan Munde) simply because those people do not have articles yet. Dsreyn 17:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are suggesting perhaps moving the "priority to be created list" which is already on this talk page onto the main page as a sub-list? As a compromise I am not totally against that idea. At least it keeps the "to be's" lumped together for easy tracking and quick googling for notability. I believe "screening" should be done on the talk page rather than the the main page. But I am open to hear if others think a sub-redlist on the main page is a good plan. I would like to wait for comment from other interested editors... one of whom is on a temp. wiki-break.... just to see what other ideas are. This isn't so much about guidelines so much as it is Wiki's prior history of "failed good faith". The idea that a redlink will prompt a noble editor to step up and create an article is all fine and good. But it simply doesn't happen that way. The "AGF that redlinks promote creation" test has long since failed and many editors, incl. one of the most active music related projects Wiki has, have said enough is enough... let's find a better way. And that's where the "working lists" on the talk pages came about. Fly-by editors simply don't do what our "guidelined AGF" tells us to sit back and wait for them to "do". Regular editors working as a team are the ones who get things done... done right... and done with some amount of quality, credibility and verifiabilty. It's almost a project unto itself. The Wikiproject:List notability.I know, I know... bad name :D  Anyone else with a comment? 156.34.142.110 17:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion criteria. 

message: I've just gone through every link correcting links and disambiguations, removing non-notable banjo players (the criteria I used was that if no banjo was mentioned in their article or if their banjo playing was incidental to their main notability then I deleted the entry), removed obvious non-banjo players (politicians etc). I've also removed some notable banjo players who didn't have their own links (the link was to their band) but I've added them to the articles TBC section above. I now await the flak :) WebHamster 08:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Weed Out

message: After the amount of discussion about who need articles created, this is just a cleanup of an earlier section.
===priority list to be created===
*Raymond Fairchild
*Dewitt Jenkins
*Oren Jenkins
*Steve Lutke
*Bobby Thompson
*Buddy Wachter
=== accumulated list of articles ===
Here are the entries from the main list who require article creation. If a page passing WP:BIO can be started the names can be struck from this list and re-added to the main player list. If the entries are truly non-notable then the name can be removed from this list right away. I have removed the banjoists that now have articles.
*Igout Abdelhadi
*Tim Allan (musician)
*Ken Aoki
*David Bandrowski
*Janet Beazley
*Perry Bechtel
*Clayton Bell
*John Boulding
*Kieran "Bucky" Buchanan
*Howie Bursen
*Greg Cahill
*Dean Campbell
*Ed Cuneo
*Ollie Crafter
*Janet Rice Davis
*Toby Denham
*Skip Devol
*Mike Dolan Jr.
*Andrew Dunlop
*Pat Dutro
*Jim Farquhar (banjoist)
*Albert 'Papa' French
*Bob Flesher
*Samuel  Garigliano
*Håkon Gebhart
*Creole George Guesnon
*Smith Hammett
*Arno Hagenaars
*Tyler Jackson
*Zale Kennedy
*Walt Koken
*Jens Krüger
*Emile "Stalebread" Lacoume
*Eden Latham
*Carl Le Blanc
*Scott Mabry
*Gary "Chops" MacConnie
*Steve Mandell
*Reed Martin
*Doug Mattocks (musician)
*Dave Marty
*Marvin "Smokey" Montgomery
*Reverend Jeff Mosier
*Sean Moyses
*Howie "Wicked Fingers" Nielson
*Michele "Mike" Ortuso
*Larry Passalacqua
*Ken Perlman
*Eugene Pingitore
*Art Rosenbaum
*Cathy Reilly
*Sandy Riner
*William Runkle
*Brian Scheinhoft 
*Woody Simmons
*Steve Sparkman
*Donald F. Stevison
*Samuel Swain Stewart
*Bobby Thompson (musician)
*Takashi Tsunoda
*Georgette Twain
*Patrick van Koot
*Don Van Paulta
*Don Vappie
*Scott Vestal
*Wim van de Weg
*Clem Vickery
*Katharine Whalen
--Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 16:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles to be created - reorganzied 

message: Here are the entries from the main list who require article creation. If a page passing WP:BIO can be started the names can be struck from this list and re-added to the main player list. If the entries are truly non-notable then the name can be removed from this list right away. I have removed the banjoists that now have articles.
*Igout Abdelhadi
*Tim Allan (musician)
*Ken Aoki
*David Bandrowski
*Janet Beazley
*Perry Bechtel
*Clayton Bell
*John Boulding
*Kieran "Bucky" Buchanan
*Howie Bursen
*Greg Cahill
*Dean Campbell
*Ed Cuneo
*Ollie Crafter
*Janet Rice Davis
*Toby Denham
*Skip Devol
*Mike Dolan Jr.
*Andrew Dunlop
*Pat Dutro
*Jim Farquhar (banjoist)
*Albert 'Papa' French
*Bob Flesher
*Samuel  Garigliano
*Håkon Gebhart
*Creole George Guesnon
*Smith Hammett
*Arno Hagenaars
*Tyler Jackson
*Zale Kennedy
*Walt Koken
*Jens Krüger
*Emile "Stalebread" Lacoume
*Eden Latham
*Carl Le Blanc
*Scott Mabry
*Gary "Chops" MacConnie
*Steve Mandell
*Reed Martin
*Doug Mattocks (musician)
*Dave Marty
*Marvin "Smokey" Montgomery
*Reverend Jeff Mosier
*Sean Moyses
*Howie "Wicked Fingers" Nielson
*Michele "Mike" Ortuso
*Larry Passalacqua
*Ken Perlman
*Eugene Pingitore
*Art Rosenbaum
*Cathy Reilly
*Sandy Riner
*William Runkle
*Brian Scheinhoft 
*Woody Simmons
*Steve Sparkman
*Donald F. Stevison
*Samuel Swain Stewart
*Bobby Thompson (musician)
*Takashi Tsunoda
*Georgette Twain
*Patrick van Koot
*Don Van Paulta
*Don Vappie
*Scott Vestal
*Wim van de Weg
*Clem Vickery
*Katharine Whalen
--Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 16:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  accumulated list of articles 

message: Hey Folks, I will admit that I have not been as active on WP as of late, but what's with the "second tier" or b-grade banjo players that are being added lately? Spot checks have revealed that they all play the banjo, but whether its their primary creative output seems debatable. I removed Kermit the Frog simply because he's not a real person. I think once we cross this line, the list's integrity is lost. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 15:24, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rash of new, questionable names?!?! 

message: She plays more kinds of banjos, and knows more about the history of banjos and banjo-playing than anyone else I am familiar with. Drbb01 (talk) 23:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: ! Thank  for the suggestion. Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 15:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Pdebee Thanks! Drbb01 (talk) 10:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a reason Rhiannon Giddens is not included.