Talk:Richard Lynn

message: This article says Lynn "advocates for a genetic relationship between race and intelligence".  Aside from the fact that the article needs to be updated because of his passing, this sentence is also flawed.  One cannot "advocate" for a scientific fact.  You can advocate for a change in policy but you cannot advocate for or against nature.  You cannot be an advocate for a blue sky.  Even if Lynn was wrong, you cannot be an advocate for a red sky.  You can't advocate for something you cannot change. 99.6.61.222 (talk) 15:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: But him saying it dos not make it a scientific fact. Slatersteven (talk) 15:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Lynn was an advocate for the idea that there is a genetic relationship between race and intelligence in the same way that Donald Trump is an advocate for the idea that the 2020 US election was stolen. Generalrelative (talk) 15:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the IP mentioned it, the sentence is a bit odd. A clearer wording would be to say that he "advocates for scientific racism". He performed and promoted research which supported his prior assumptions about pseudoscientific conceptions of both race and intelligence, and also ignored or disputed the mountains of valid research which challenged those assumptions. This is just standard procedure for scientific racism. Grayfell (talk) 19:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: And Lynn hasn’t just argued for a genetic contribution between groups. He has argued that humans should ‘phase out’ the less intelligent. Some brief evidence of the racism could be included in the opening as evidence. Zenomonoz (talk) 22:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to see we're on the same page here, Zenomonoz. I definitely agree in principle that the phrasing of the lead can be improved significantly, and would be more than happy to discuss suggested rewrites. We should also consider cutting back on what I would argue is a bloated and excessively self-sourced article body, and then circling back to ensure that the lead appropriately summarizes the body. Sources published in Personality and Individual Differences and Intelligence, where Lynn served as an editor, should also be examined critically because of lack of independence. Generalrelative (talk) 23:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems like a good idea. If an editor comes up with improvements, I am on board. Zenomonoz (talk) 06:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Talk about a specious analogy! 2603:7000:B23E:33EE:4856:846F:2696:2FA1 (talk) 02:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: (Re: Generalrelative (talk) 15:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We go by what tRS say. Slatersteven (talk) 11:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Advocate" 

message: The article should be changed to reflect the fact that Richard Lynn died in July 2023. 62.167.37.182 (talk) 21:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2023 

message: Haven’t he died? RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:30, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably. But we've had trouble finding reliable sources covering his death, so we can't include it yet. See the discussions above. If you can find any WP:RS coverage, go ahead and add it; but the only thing I can find is a blog post and coverage in white supremacist publications, which is definitely insufficient. --Aquillion (talk) 06:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of Richard Lynn's appear to have died, some of the Obits are of this one, but they are all blogs. Slatersteven (talk) 09:38, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides the Telegraph article currently cited for his death, this New Statesman article confirms it: https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2023/09/rise-new-tech-right-iq-cognitive-elite Mwphil (talk) 22:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Slatersteven's comment is dated to before Jkaharper's addition of the Telegraph source above, which was indeed the kind of reliable source we were waiting for per WP:BLP. That said, I'll be happy to add the additional citation. Generalrelative (talk) 00:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death