Talk:German ju-jutsu

message: German Ju-Jutsu is reasonably well-known in Germany, with numerous books having been written about it , etc. Further evidence includes the fact that there are several non-English interwiki links, pointing not just to a rather long German Wikipedia page but also to pages in Russian, Chinese etc. Note also the existence of German Ju-Jutsu clubs in places as far as Canada . 85.181.223.131 (talk) 19:38, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't necessarily make it notable. Books/articles written by proponents and advocates of the subject do  constitute multiple, non-trivial,  reliable sources per WP:V/WP:RS and WP:N. This article so far cites  proponent source and  independent ones.  Nothing in this article as of this writing establishes notability at all. I'm tempted to take this to WP:AFD myself. What next? Madagascar jujutsu? Albuquerque jujutsu? We do not need a magically special article for every single place in which some random locals have adapted and promoted martial arts. — SMcCandlish    Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib.  06:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This particular adaptation is in one of the world's major economies, taught to its entire police force, and organized by a national organization (:de:Deutscher Ju-Jutsu-Verband) with around 50,000 members. It's notable; an AfD wouldn't stand a chance. --87.79.47.181 (talk) 07:04, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Prove it with reliable secondary sources.  Unsourced assertions mean nothing here.  And a body count is not necessarily relevant: How to mop floors with a bucket that has a built-in wringer is taught to way more than 1,000,000 custodial workers in all of the world's major and minor economies. That doesn't mean we need a janitor bucket article. The fact that an article has a tangential connection to Germany or German police means little, if anything. WP:GNG is the issue here: Show the sources that this is (to be German about it) a  worth an independent article.  If Botswana or Canada implement programs for training their cops in jujutsu, via a newly minted Botswana Jujutsu Academy or Canadian National Jujutsu Program, that does not mean we magically require any instant articles about any of that.  We can have such articles if there's a preponderance of independent, non-trivial, independent, published, reliable source material about them.  What next? German truck driving? German topiary? German toilet flushing? I am of course being tongue-in-cheek to an extent; I suspect that German "ju-justsu" is actually notable, as a national training program, but this miserable stub sure doesn't convince anyone. — SMcCandlish    Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib.  07:45, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Put your money where your mouth is and nominate it for deletion (the article, not your mouth or money). --87.79.47.181 (talk) 08:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: There is a much more detailed article here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ju-Jutsu
Maybe someone could translate parts of that (e.g. about the origin and history) and incorporate it into this article? I also found it hard to even find the english article because the search term "ju-jutsu" immediately redirects me to the japanese art. I guess it would be better to have a selection page offering a link to both articles since "German Ju-Jutsu" is not a common term. Instead, "Ju-Jutsu" refers to two different arts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.218.46.191 (talk) 10:37, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The search term "ju-jutsu"  redirect you to the Japanese martial art, since the character string "ju-jutsu" (lower-case or upper) doesn't magically mean "something German" to anyone but Germans. To English speakers, this and other spellings of jujutsu (e.g "jiu-jitsu", etc.) mean "the traditional Japanese martial art specifically, and/or the modern class of martial arts derived from it, more generally", and nothing more specific, much less Teutonic.  The alleged distinction in Deutsche (and really, it stretches credulity) between "Ju-jutsu" and "Jujutsu" (capitalized as nouns properly in German) simply does not exist in our language.  If you're a German reader, the way to find the English-language equivalent article of w:de:Ju-Jutsu is to look at that page and click the link in the sidebar to the English version.  Nothing is broken at en.wiki with regard to this or related articles.  PS: The German article actually needs to be renamed at de.wiki, anyway, since its text begins "Deutsches Ju-Jutsu ist ein modernes, offenes Selbstverteidigungssystem für die Praxis des täglichen Lebens sowie klassische Kampfkunst in einem". Note that it is not "Ju-Jutsu ist...", but "Deutsches Ju-Jutsu" which in English is properly rendered "German jujutsu" (no capitalizing the noun, and using the Japanese transliteration that has been settled on in the post-Colonial world, not the obsolete [in English] hyphenated version. — SMcCandlish    Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib.  07:57, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Pull from the German article

message: It's quite interesting that while the "art" of German Jiu-Jiujitsu is just Judo mixed with Karate and a few techniques from other martial arts - with a Judo part often teached insufficient or even inappropriate -, the Jiu-Jitsu-"free-fighting"-competition looks very promising. Although I suggest everone just to learn proper Judo and some Karate to easily win those competitions, or you learn Judo and some Taekwondo and European Boxing when you're 18. Boyka! 178.197.234.79 (talk) 12:29, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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