Talk:Leonard McCoy

message: So, a 1966 telescript character nickname came from a 2009 movie script? 
Kid, I hope you dropped acid; otherwise you is dumb as dogsh*t.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.152.105.41 (talk) 14:47, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the 2009 Star Trek film ... "All I got left is my bones", which also could be where his nickname came from. 

message: "In the time since its last publication, the Encyclopedia has become extremely out of date, with much of the conjectural, non-canonical information contained within it having been contradicted by the last two Star Trek films (Star Trek Nemesis and Star Trek) as well as the last two seasons of Star Trek: Voyager and the most recent series, Star Trek: Enterprise. There are currently no plans to release an updated version of the Encyclopedia, as its usefulness has been greatly superseded in recent years by online, digital resources such as Memory Alpha." so I would suggest going with the one that has the complete date of birth. 24.79.38.15 (talk) 21:53, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Star Trek Encyclopedia]]

message: Why was (Arguably one of the best lines was one never actually spoken in any episode: "I'm a doctor, not an actor!") appended to end of the list of "Im a doctor not a(n)"? If this the work of a jokester then it should be removed. 131.107.0.73 20:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It violates WP:NPOV and WP:OR.  Keep doing it, and at some point you'll be blocked.  --Nlu (talk) 22:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "...which has also made its way into many others shows such as Doctor Who,"
I don't claim encyclopedic knowledge of Doctor Who, but is there any other source for this other than the book quoted? David (talk) 20:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Catchphrases

message: I am pretty unversed in star trek and Battlestar, but that last quote "I'm not a psychic.."etc doesn't seem to be related to my eyes. is there something that makes it more related than it seems? If they're not, then someone should remove it. if not, then someone should add more info! omglol. TastemyHouse 07:06, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote?

message: Re Dr. Bashir, it depends on how he pronounced as to whether he said "a historian" or "an historian" - did he say "Hiss-torian" or "Iss-torian" - did Alex Siddig pronounce the H or was it silent? When the leading consonant(s) are all silent, the natural pronounciation is to say "an" and therefore to spell it that way. GBC 21:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: An historian or a historian

message: The start of Enterprise's original 5 year mission is listed as 2266, and then notes that "McCoy served until 2269, when the ship's five year mission ended."  If the 2266 date is correct (source?) then obviously the 5 year mission ended in 2270.  The Timeline of Star Trek indicates that the original 5 year mission was actually shortened to 3 years, again without citing a specific source.
I also have serious doubts that the events in Star Trek The Motion Picture happened so soon after the original 5 year mission ended (and certainly later than "Circa 2271").  One site -- http://scifi.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://members.cox.net/stenterprise/enttmln.htm -- says 2273, another -- http://scifi.about.com/library/weekly/aa101899.htm -- lists the year as 2274, and yet another (which differs more significantly from the 5 year mission dates as well; 2270-2274/5) -- http://scifi.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://rec.horus.com/trek/lists/timeline.txt -- says 2277. ASpafford 02:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 5 years squeezed into 3

message: Some of the bio seems to be sort of awkwardly worded; for example, in some places it switches back and forth from past to present tense. Does this warrant marking it for clean up?
Crushedmidnight 19:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the back and forth is due to writing about events actually depicted in the series, for which present tense is appropriate, and events alluded to but not depicted, for which past tense is appropriate. --EEMeltonIV 19:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar of article? 

message: Was he third officer? Therequiembellishere 01:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Succession

message: I removed this section. "Memorable" is subjective/non-NPOV -- strictly speaking, everything he says is to some degree memorable, and we're not going to put all his dialog there. "Notable" quotes would be more significant, but lacking a citation about what makes them memorable, that doesn't work either -- and WP:ILIKEIT isn't a reason to keep this, either. Lastly, straight-up quotes should be over in Wikiquote. If someone wants to move them over there, by all means... --EEMeltonIV 11:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memorable quotes 

message: Why no reference to the Futurama episode where they show all the trekkies being killed and after each one is killed they say "he's dead jim"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.22.53.86 (talk) 16:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Futurama 

message: Just to let you know, I have tossed in a few links to "I'm a doctor, not a(n)..." within wikipedia (Trials and Tribble-ations and Doctor (Star Trek), so far), and would just like to put up a general request not to remove the quotation marks or (n) from the section header, so that the links stay valid. Obviously, feel free to toss the tag into any article you see fit. Cheers, samwaltz 01:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote: I'm a doctor...

message: Leonard McCoy page history extract: 
•23:48, 9 November 2007 Ejfetters (list is trivia-like, and we don't really need a detailed list of each episode where this is said, not even its own section is needed) 
•21:37, 22 November 2007 Milomedes (_Catch phrases - rm trivia tag - these notable phrases are embedded in the English language - I came here directly in linked discussion using one of them)  
•16:02, 25 November 2007 Ejfetters (Undid revision 173168724 by Milomedes (there is no encyclopedic reason to list every instance he said it) 
This is a list of 14 characters and 16 episodes where "McCoy frequently declares someone or something deceased with the line, "He's dead", "He's dead, Jim", or something similar." 
Only 13 days after Ejfetters tagged it as trivia, I needed the list of characters, the list of episodes, and a section to link to show to others. (I needed to identify the instances when the character wasn't actually dead.) Since this catch phrase is embedded in the English language (my discussion was transatlantic), it's likely that the page is visited twice a month to examine this section. 
An encyclopedia exists to tell us what we don't know. Since most of us already know that McCoy said this frequently, we visit the page to find out how frequently, about whom, and in which episodes. 
I request consensus to detag the #Catch phrases section. Milo 01:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the list of episodes where that phrase was used is trivia, or the same for other catch-phrases when they are important ones.  This one is a classic phrase that has become part of culture beyond even the show itself so it's good for the encyclopedia to include the information to show where it came from.  I even found some books that talk about it and one of them was written by a professor.  There is a wiki rule about wikipedia not being made of paper and we have lots of room for things that might not fit in a regular printed encyclopedia. This is a good example of one of those kinds of things.  Maybe the overview part of the article is too much like telling the story of everything Dr McCoy has done and can be written more in a more analytical way, but this part is good to keep the list of where he used that phrase.  --Linda (talk) 04:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Until this use garners some non-trivial coverage and discussion, it's yet another passing reference and homage, i.e. trivia that doesn't warrant coverage here. --EEMIV (talk) 17:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote: "He's dead, Jim." 

message: Kelley's bio is available in parts at Google Books.
http://books.google.com/books?id=5JUOIKG2XcwC&printsec=frontcover&dq=dr.+mccoy&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA156,M1
I've exceeded my page-views; if anyone wants to jump beyond page 156 (and before ~140ish), go for it! --EEMIV (talk) 16:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: I've restored the deleted section about McCoy's infamous "I'm a doctor, not a…" phrase because it's just as culturally significant and well-known as "He's dead, Jim". (The heading is also currently linked to from at least one other Star Trek article, "Far Beyond the Stars".) However, I agree with deleter EEMIV that it is quite a bit of unsourced trivia, and Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia with published sources for its factual information, even (and perhaps especially) when discussing subjects within fictional works.
To try to encourage editors more involved with this domain (I'm not too into ST anymore myself), I have added 1 such source to the assertion that this line is well-known, as well as a  tag to encourage more sourcing efforts. I also strongly advise editors to trim it down significantly to avoid overwhelming the article with a huge list of examples. (We're trying to illustrate factual assertions, not be the Web's most complete source for Star Trek lists.) Bear in mind that EEMIV and other editors are well within their rights to delete large tracts of unsourced or trivial material if it's not properly edited into something worth of a general (as opposed to ST-specific) encyclopedia. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've excised that tract again. If you'd like to restore the cited claim (although note that IMDb trivia is not a reliable source), feel free to do so. However, in the absence of evidence that this line has been subject to third-party commentary, it remains superfluous trivia better suited for Wikiquote. --EEMIV (talk) 01:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd remove it even then. If this is indeed "culturally significant and well-known", the would be boatloads of citable references of it. If citation from notable sources could be found, it would belong in a cultural impact section. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 01:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Arcayne, your wish is my command. I did what I should have done last night and rewrote the entire section, adding no fewer than 7 reliable sources (at least 2 of which are scholarly). In doing so, I also hacked down the laundry list of examples to a handful with some citations and some fact-tags. This puts it more in line with the previous section about "He's dead, Jim", to which I added citations of 2 of my sources because they support that phrase as well. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Jeff, nicely done. Alastairward (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Very well done. Way to go, li'l buckaroo! :) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 10:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I only wish I could do this more often. It's easy to write, and everybody does it. It's much harder to source and document, but so much more necessary because so few do it. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Tangential and mis-placed. It was awkwardly tacked at the end of a list of *other* folks aping the line. And language like "carrying on the tradition" is just flowery puff. --EEMIV (talk) 17:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I'm a doctor" redux 

message: I think that, with the restart of the franchise, we need to create a side-by-side image of Kelley/Urban for the infobox. Thoughts? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 18:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's unnecessary.  The infobox picture should be of the original actor that played the character.  Erikeltic (talk) 11:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than replicating this discussion across all the character articles, let's please keep it centralized at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Star_Trek#Dual_picture_for_infobox. --EEMIV (talk) 11:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dual picture for infobox 

message: Why is there no listing of all the insults? "Pointy-eared hobgoblin, Green Blooded Son-of-a-bitch" and the like. It's integral to the character. All the ribbing was designed to provoke a response from Spock, usually appended with "Spock, you're becoming more human every day."
:I assume it would be tagged as trivia and removed. It's mentioned that McCoy is a foil for Spock, perhaps you might cite a little mention of this aspect of the character and include it. Alastairward (talk) 13:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spock insults 

message: In the book "Star Trek: The Lost Years, it mentions his first wife's name is "Jocelyn", and in the new 2009 film he is leaving Earth after a divorce, perhaps that would be some character biographical information that would be of interest here, but I'm not sure where it'd be placed or how to source it besides the book, it's probably mentioned in other media also. (Floppydog66 (talk) 08:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: McCoy's first wife

message: I removed the phrase " "sawbones" is no longer current slang for a medical doctor" from the article because there is no cited source for this etymological claim. Although perhaps relevant to the on- and behind-the-screens development of the character's nickname, such a generalization requires a cited source (probably to a producer or actor who carried the belief, accurate or not). --EEMIV (talk) 23:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you feel that a statement needs sourcing, please use the  notation.  Admitting that it may be relevant but deleting it from the article for lack of a source isn't cool.  You also have not addressed (or apologized) for the use of Twinkle, so it makes it difficult for me as an editor to know if its really you doing reversions or an automated process, and I don't think it is cool to make other editors argue against an automated process. Akuvar (talk) 01:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, do you know the origins of Wapedia? Is that wiki related? I did a google search for "rodenberry sawbones" to see if I could get a hit for a source, and it returned this (http://wapedia.mobi/en/Leonard_McCoy) article, which is almost verbatim the wikipedia article. Akuvar (talk) 01:31, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, dumb me, it is wikipedia for mobile phones. Akuvar (talk) 01:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

text: See above: provide substantiation for the etymological claim of "sawbones"' use -- probably a quote from an actor/producer explaining their decision to "reinvent" the origin of the nickname -- or ditch the claim as WP:OR. There is no deadline; take your time, find the appropriate source if it exists, and slip it in (along with the claim) and all's well with the universe. --EEMIV (talk) 13:40, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it apparent from my above post that that was what I was doing. Thanks. Akuvar (talk) 14:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, an editor's personal experiences or knowledge is not referenceable.  If you could provide a source about the information you just gave, we could use it in the article. Akuvar (talk) 22:02, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bones/Sawbones 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Nyota Uhura which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 14:14, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: In general: Gene Roddenberry is the official creator of any of the principle ST:TOS cast, as creator of the series itself. Anyone writing scripts for the series using these characters would have worked from his "bible".
In specific: "The Man Trap" was not the first episode produced which included the character of McCoy. It was the first one broadcast (the network execs wanted to lead with a "monster" episode) but "The Corbomite Maneuver" was the first time Kelley performed the character. (But see above: that doesn't make "Corbomite" screenwriter Jerry Sohl the co-creator either.) -Jason A. Quest (talk) 23:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Clayton Johnson is not co-creator