Talk:Pietro Mascagni

message: Has anyone ever listened to the program Friday Night at the Opera (aired in Sacramento from  the KXPR studio, hosted by Sean Bianco)? The Intermezzo from his Cavaleria Rusticana is the theme song. —CliffHarris (-T|C-) 03:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: Surely this isn't standard? It should be changed to straight text like the rest of the Wikipedia biographies -- I've tagged it as such for now. --Gafaddict 01:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline biography 

message: It seems that the theater where premiere of Isabeau took place is sometimes mentioned as the "Colon", sometimes as the "Coliseo". I asked renowned Mascagni expert Roger Flury about this, and here is what he said (reproduced with this authorization):
I checked in Alan Mallach's Mascagni biography and Grove Opera; both give the Coliseo (as do I). I checked also a book on the T. Solis, Montevideo, where Isabeau was presented afterwards, and it mentions the premiere of Isabeau at the Coliseo.
A couple of sources give the T. Colon (Piper's Encyclopaedia and the Mellon Opera Reference series), but I suspect they copied each other!
The T. Colon website does not list Mascagni among the famous composers who conducted their own works in that theatre - and I'm sure they would have if PM had conducted the premiere of Isabeau in that house!
The Sonzogno chronology firmly places the premiere at the Coliseo (and they ought to know!).
So, I think the Coliseo is correct - until someone can produce a programme proving otherwise!
So for now I am reverting to Colon.
Ebruchez (talk) 02:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Premiere of Isabeau 

message: From time to time, some funny opera names appear on this page, most recently: Zilia, Scampolo, and I Bianchi ed i Neri. There is no indication that Mascagni ever composed those operas. None of the serious sources I have looked at, or the Mascagni letters, talk about them. So please discuss new additions here with references to serious sources before adding any of those back.
Ebruchez (talk) 15:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * Actually he did compose all of those operas. See here: . Also see this article from Opera Newshere which mentions I Bianchi ed i Neri as his last opera. The reason why they are not on many lists is because they were either never performed or there is little or no information available about them. I believe Pietro Mascagni and His Operas by Alan Mallach also mentions them, although it has been some years sense I have read it so I could be mistaken on that point. Regardless, the Stanford source is excellent and I have never found an error in it before and I doubt Opera News is likely to make the same error either. Nrswanson (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

text: * Thanks for going to all that trouble. It would be good to mention them on the page as unfinished/uncompleted projects just so that people like me don't wonder about it. Thanks.Nrswanson (talk) 17:56, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make sure you check your sources before adding new operas 

message: :"It is certainly a better vehicle for a popular lyric soprano." 
This statement is bad for two reasons:
1. It isn't NPOV.
2. It's unsourced.
Should it be removed? I see why not, but I'd like a second opinion.--134.129.9.146 (talk) 18:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *I've removed it. Both your points are correct + it's nonsense. I haven't looked at this article for a long time. It's quite a mess. The whole lead needs a liberal dose of the "red pencil" - it's completely unencyclopedic and unreferenced opinion. The "biography" is simply a choppy glorified timeline. All improvements welcome! Voceditenore (talk) 19:06, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Feels like the entire second paragraph of the intro is opinion but as I'm unaware of the consensus among actual musical critics, I don't feel it is my place to edit it. Also seems that the dates are just copied from the English source listed at bottom. Not sure if that's acceptable or not(sorry guys, never really done a real edit or I'd help out!) Alex (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The main problem with the article is the almost complete lack of inline citations from reliable sources.  I see that User:Ebruchez (User talk:Ebruchez) contributed quite a lot of the content, but he isn't very active on WP these days.  Myself, I don't think that the second para is too bad - it may have been originally intended to be part of the lead.  On the other hand, I'm not a great Mascagni fan, and other articles that I'm working on take priority. --GuillaumeTell 17:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV statement should be removed 

message: About Pietro Mascagni's early work "Prima Sinfonia in Fa Maggiore - Riduzione per pianoforte a 4 mani" and other Mascagni's early works, one can visit www.andreapellegrini.it/mascagnitesto.htm  , unfortunately in italian, to be traslated in English soon. Other infos about productions and compositions of the young Pietro Mascagni, and about musicians and people involved, are shown on the same site.
The young Pietro Mascagni often played and collaborated with various members of the Pellegrini / Vianesi family from Tuscany: the Soprano Enrichetta Pellegrini, the multi-instrumentalist Giulio Pellegrini, the violinist Adolfo Pellegrini and others. Many of his early compositions are dedicated to them: "Prima Sinfonia in Fa maggiore, 1880, to Giulio Pellegrini"; the "Messa" ("Mass") first played "mercé le cure dell’egregio organista signor Giulio Pellegrini" (1882); another "Messa" (1883) whose first perfomance was managed by Giulio Pellegrini; the Romanza per Tenore e orchestra "Il Re a Napoli", 1884, "reduced for mister Giulio Pellegrini"; the "Pater Noster" "per soprano e accompagnamento di quintetto a corda" ("for Soprano and string quinitet"), 1880, dedicated "alla gentilissima signorina Enrichetta Pellegrini". 
Pietro Mascagni also presented some manuscripts to the Pellegrini family members. Today they own the 100 pages original manuscript of "Prima Sinfonia in Fa, riduzione per pianoforte a 4 mani (1880)", dedicated to Giulio Pellegrini, and the manuscript of an "Alleluja per due voci e organo".
The Pellegrini / Vianesi genealogy is linked with music since 1800. The most notable member of this old family is Augusto Vianesi, also linked to Mascagni, being a famous conductor. He conducted the american premiere of Cavalleria Rusticana (N.Y. Metropolitan, 1891) and worked with Rossini and others all around the world. See: Amadeus - Opera House, musicsack.com, ClassicaOnLine, Internet Archive USA, DEUMM UTET 1988, Garzantina 2005, Schmidl Sonzogno etc.
The younger members of this family, still linked with music since 200 years, are today rock and jazz musicians (Francesco Pellegrini, Andrea Pellegrini, Giovanni "Nino" Pellegrini, Chiara Pellegrini) and conservatory teachers (Paola Pellegrini). They live in Livorno, Toscana. INFO: andrea_pellegrini@libero.it .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.65.250.219 (talk) 11:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mascagni's "Sinfonia in Fa (1880)" and other early works, and the Pellegrini/Vianesi geneaology 

message: The Intermezzo from Mascagni's opera Cavalleria rusticana has been used in innumerable films, animes, tv shows, commercials, pop music arrangements etc. The  addition of a "Cultural references" section in this article (as had been the case with the Cavalleria rusticana article) was starting to attract mentions of every use, all of them unreferenced, the majority of them trivial. So much so that there is no indication in the articles for some of the "cultural references" that the music was even used, let alone had any particular significance. These unencyclopedic and unverified factoids add nothing to the reader's understanding of the composer and his work. I have pruned the section to two highly notable films, Raging Bull and The Godfather Part III, where music from Cavalleria Rusticana and other Mascagni works plays a significant role in the screenplay and have referenced them to reliable secondary sources which actually discuss the issue in detail. In future, I propose to remove any additions to that section, unless they are accompanied by similar quality references which verify that the music plays a significant role in the film and why. A link to IMDb (or other database) which merely lists a piece of Mascagni's music in the sound track is not enough. Voceditenore (talk) 07:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced trivia removal 

message: Substituted at 03:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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