Talk:2006 Italian general election

message: I would appreciate some link to existing opinion polling taken after 25 march outside Italy.
:If you read the paragraph, you'll discover the Italian law forbids to publish opinion pollings after March 25, so it's impossible to have any of them. --Angelo 08:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the question was whether there were any opinion polls taken outside Italy for the overseas ballots.  I would imagine that the ban on polls would be unenforceable outside Italy.  Kelvinc 09:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Opinion polling

message: As a voter of the center left myself, I found the article quite unbalanced (on the left).
A strong bias vs Mr Berlusconi can be perceived all over the pages.
You do not need to love the Leader of Center Right, but if one is just trying to get informed your article looks too much one sided.
In my views, of course.
Marco Calabrese
:What is described in the article is just facts, not opinions. And facts aren't usually partisan. Tell us what you think looks unbalanced. --Angelo 12:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the glue behind what you say. The 2001 constitutional reform (which passed a referendum a few years ago, btw) regarded just a few articles, whereas the centre-right reform actually changes the base of the constitution. The paragraph should talk just about the House of Freedoms' one and what it led to in the electoral campaign. Jobs: there's nothing more to say about the House of Freedoms, as it did not claim to change the current system realized in 2003. I just explained about the proposals of the Union on the job issue and the reasons behind. Judges and prosecutors: we could add it, as we could include also conflict of interests, "ad personam" laws, security, pensions, Iraq, USA and EU relations, and so on. Want to help us? --Angelo 18:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: "Il Giornale" is far less balanced, as it is owned by Berlusconi's brother Paolo. And Wikipedia isn't place for par condicio, but NPOV instead. "Repubblica" is the second newspaper of Italy for copies sold. We could replace with the Corriere della Sera articles, if you prefer. Anyway, it's not a problem of external links, which should work just as sources. I don't feel it's unbalanced, just it can be expanded someway. --Angelo 09:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Balance

message: The English on this page is crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.201.75.84 (talk • contribs) 19:29, April 15, 2005
:I've improved it as best I could without altering meaning.  -- MrBland 19:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: English

message: Bush and Putin are apparently good friends of Berlusconi and this apparence was erased by the Callipari's controversy with the USA and the Gas cut from the Russian Federation that is higher than in other eurozone countries. So it is neutral to say that they are political friends or only personal friends? If they are personal friends the sentence should be moved on their personal pages.
According to the House of freedoms website, the tax cut was of 0.1% of the GDP, since the 2002, when the first tax cut was done. --Trek00 07:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bush and Putin

message: Should "Conservative party led by Ministry for Foreign Affairs and former vice-premier Gianfranco Fini" be instead "Conservative party led by Minister for Foreign Affairs and former vice-premier Gianfranco Fini"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Robinett (talk • contribs) 23:33, March 31, 2006
:Thank you, I have changed it. Mushroom (Talk) 23:48, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ministry or Minister

message: The section about the election date is not very clear (I cannot fix it as I do not speak Italian. First, it does not state when originally should have been election. Second it is not clear how early April election helped to solve the deadlock. It looks like an exact opposite. 
There is a new parliament but not a new government and president is leaving office in 20 days? (It is not clear when in May but it is ussually the first if not stated otherwise. ) It seems like a deadlock. --Jan Smolik 21:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The election date 

message: 87.5.178.251 added quite a bit of text for that, but it almost reads like out of some speech and doesn't see very NPOV to me. Can somebody check it, just to make sure? CharonX 16:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Constitutional reform, NPOV?

message: I'v rollbacked the consideration toward Calderoli "At the second day of elections Calderoli, the main author of this electoral reform, completely changed opinion, saying it was a "good law". " because, reading the ADN Kronos article, Calderoli hasn't completely changed opinion. It's say that the law isn't perfect but it could be good with same changes. IMHO he hasn't changed the opinion "porcata". In any case a lot of politics change opinion frequently when they take note of their overstatements, and for this reason it's more important the first statement. --Ilario 14:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rollback

message: Dear user 87.0.180.108, while I appreciate your contributions to this Article, most of the added content violates the Neutral Point of View Policy of Wikipedia (NPOV). Please read the aforemention policy and try to avoid biased contributions, if possible. CharonX 15:40, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: anonymous user 82.56.126.242 (probably he/she was 82.58.159.191 and 87.0.180.108) is continuously adding POV to this article. GhePeU 18:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: the problem is that this user are making a cut and paste with errors at end of the article that delete a big part of it... --Ilario 19:34, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dear User 87.0.180.108 - NPOV

message: Please Calderoli was not an author but also a supporter of this law. After his resignation from the Berlusconi's cabinet, it's was free to say something about this law but he supported it also in the next period (for this is not only an author because in the next months he had no the powers as minister). --Ilario 17:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Supporter and/or author

message: Please notice that NOTHING added by me is in any way different from reality. I'm sorry because of the strong adjectives added in my first version.
1. Constitutional Reform:
The national interest is explicitely mentioned in the new art. 127 (it's not just "according to its proponents", it's the text of the law!)
The previous reform cancelled it.
This reform was made by the center left government with 4 votes of majority (without the consensus of the opposition)
2. Electoral law
It makes Prodi win, even if he was against.
The referendum of 1993 abrogated the former law, which had no thresholds.
The elections followed in 1994. (so where is the scandal about the reform of 2005?)
3. Eu Parliament episode
Berlusconi was adressed as Godfather (Pate, padrino) which is the equivalent for mafioso, not a compliment I mean.
Thank you for your attention
:About the third point I agree following the NPOV. I know that "Berlusconi was adressed as Godfather" (it's at least the vindication of Berlusconi's party), but surely it isn't "practically unavoidable". This is only a point of view. --Ilario 20:00, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  So called POV integrations 

message: I got started on a section documenting the dispute over uncounted ballots and such after the vote count ended, but it probably needs fleshing out.  Kelvinc 21:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need section for post-vote controversy 

message: There some wrongs
the sums are wrongs, some parties "votes" are wrongs 
There is confusion within  all italy results (with some uninominal colleges) and proportional results.--Francomemoria 17:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some wrongs in results tables 

message: Reports on many elections omit to say when the new government will take over. In the UK it is immediately but elsewhere there is a timetabled date.
*Currently, nobody knows when the new Italian government will take office. It is supposed to be in May, but it will depend on which president will appoint the next prime minister (either the current one, Ciampi, or the future one, to be elected in May too). So, I think it is actually meaningless to deepen this topic. --Angelo 17:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Timing

message: Has Berlusconi still not conceded? Piet 14:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Italian press he said that he will never concede defeat and that he is the real and only political winner. GhePeU 18:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berlusconi conceding 

message: The articles draws some conclusions in the section "Tax breaks" or let the reader draw a conclusion, maybe it should be reformulated in a better way so to look more neutral. This is mainly because the article is outdated and for example use the conditional form of events that have later happened. This maybe should be modified or a confirmation of that particular event taking place must be added to keep the neutrality of the article.
While the general feeling reading most of the Italian regarding articles is that they where written by extreme left contributors, their quality is not bad, I hope they can be shifted to a more neutral view where the facts are told and not comments on the events. For example noting that the number of sections in the election was so great compared to the voting difference that to change the result of the voting much less than one error of attribution per section was needed, having the election much under the "precision of the instrument".
I wait for suggestion on how to improve the article with a neutral view, and i welcome anyone to precede me and make the modifications.
Best Regards
Gabriele Dini Ciacci 23:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Tax breaks & update needed 

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