Talk:Crucifixion

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The section "famous crucifixions" lists Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln, who was not, in fact crucified. This is a thirteenth century kid who was found dead and possibly murdered. A local Jew was accused of his murder and under torture confessed to a lot of stuff, including that he had crucified the boy, but that's well established to be nonsense.
An IP editor removed it with the edit summary "Removal of a mythic example". Mytwocents reinstated it with the summary "removal of wikilink by anon".  Because this is not, in fact, a famous crucifixion, I agreed with the IP editor, removing it with the comment "IP was right here; since the crucifixion was fictitious, only claimed under torture, it shouldn't be listed here". Mytwocents again reverted with the comment "Insertion found 11 August 2006 "Little Saint" text has been in page for many years. warrants Talk before deletion IMO".
So, here's the Talk: Do we include as a "famous crucifixion" an event that did not actually happen, just because it's been in the article for a long time? TJRC (talk) 22:14, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with its deletion. It didn't happen, so doesn't belong here.--Dmol (talk) 22:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree it should be deleted. It would need a reference that it is "famous" for one thing, and also it is an anti-Semitic falsehood.Smeat75 (talk) 23:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln 

message: This article is structured very heavily in favour of Jesus of Nazareth. He wasn’t the only person to be crucified. Can’t we restructure it to explain what crucifixion is and how it works? And then focus on famous individuals or groups? Otherwise we get this Christian prejudice which distorts discussion of the issue. Contaldo80 (talk) 01:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Wierd. Have you actually read it? There is actually very little on Jesus, although his is almost the only specific crucifixion of which we have early accounts. Of course his has its own article. Johnbod (talk) 01:43, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - are we reading the same article? I think all of the images (at least until half way through) are Christ on the cross. The early sections are peppered with references to thew New Testament and first century Palestine. Is the crucifixion of the Nazarene Jesus, really the earliest description anywhere of this form of death? Is his death described anywhere other than the religious texts produced by the early christian community? If - as you say - there is a separate article about the death of Jesus of Nazareth, then maybe this article could do with a good prune back.Contaldo80 (talk) 05:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Christian centric  

message: "Although not conclusive evidence for female crucifixion by itself, the most ancient image of a Roman crucifixion may depict a crucified woman, whether real or imaginary."
Came to this Article asking the question "Did the Romans crucify women?" and while that question is sort of weakly answered "Yes", this meandering oddball of a point is non-sequitor for many reasons, first and foremost because it doesn't really say anything, i.e. "may depict".  And so what?  I might have a billion dollars in the bank, too.  People come to Wikipedia for information, not meandering maybes.  If say for example the Article took the question head-on and said "We think so but there's no hard evidence." and then it gave this weak, spineless and not-informative dab of not-information, they yeah sure maybe it flows, but if the Article is going to hang it's hat on this stupid little sentence, it should be zapped and replaced with something more concrete.2603:8081:3A00:30DF:BC56:A5DE:FF60:645D (talk) 03:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clunky, not encyclopedic, and wrong