Talk:Lucena position

message: "    1.Rd1+ Ke7
    2.Kc7
gets nowhere (these moves are given in algebraic chess notation). Black can simply harass the white king with checks, and White makes no progress:
    2. ... Rc2+"
This doesn't match the board position shown, because it obviously results 3. Rxc2. I'm not familiar with this exact position, but someone who is ought to fix this up.
: It looks OK to me, since the white rook moves to d1 on the first move, do it can't take the black rook on c2.  Bubba73 (talk), 17:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Board position error

message: The article now says "It is important for White's rook to go to the fourth or fifth rank; the fourth rank is considered the most elegant solution to the Lucena position."  It seems to me that going to the fifth rank doesn't work as well.  From the position, if 2. Rd5 then 2... Ke6.  If the rook stays on the fifth rank (e.g. 3. Rb5 or 3. Rg5) then 3... Kd7 and white has not made progress.  According to the endgame tablebase, after 2... Ke6, the best move is to bring the rook to the fourth rank with 3. Rd4.  Bubba73 (talk), 21:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The defensive king wants to be on the 7th rank: Black loses a tempo bring it back.   (If Black strays too far, White can hide his K on the same file as the enemy K.)  The move that prolongs resistance is not always the move that offers the most resistance.  Put down the database & pick up Averbakh, Levenfish & Smyslov, or (if you MUST have a database-checked reference) Nunn's wonderful _Secrets of Rook Endings_.  Billbrock 01:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fourth or fifth rank? 

message: In the English version, it states that "The position is incorrectly named after the Spaniard Luis Ramirez de Lucena. The name "Lucena" is pronounced "Loo THAY na" in Castilian Spanish (Shenk 2006:79)." However, the Spanish article states the opposite, and so does the English piece on Lucena. Which party is correct?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.252.98 (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The opposite about who it is named for or how it is pronounced?  It is well-documented that it is incorrectly attributed to Lucena.  As far as pronunciation, I've usually heard "ch" but I don't know if that is correct.  The book by Shenk says that it is "th" in Castialian Spanish, and Luchena was that.  So I don't know what the correct pronunciation is. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:56, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the article Ceceo it was "ts" at the time Lucena lived. 213.249.135.36 (talk) 20:19, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Although the general tendency is to modernise the pronunciation of names, so "th" would be correct now. 91.105.12.163 (talk) 16:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translations are different and conflicting: 

message: The article says that: "An obvious approach by White (in the position above) such as 1. Rd1+ Ke7 2. Kc7 gets nowhere". I think it is better to precise that White can still win the game (although the white king needs to step back). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.148.154.29 (talk) 10:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: The position shown in this chapter fulfills all criteria given at the beginning of the article. There, it is claimed these criteria are always winning (with acurate play). Is there a missing criterion (e.g. attacker to move)?
--Felix Tritschler (talk) 10:28, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The short answer is that Black to move has a saving move.  If White is to move, White wins.  If Black is to move, he has one saving move 1... Ra8+.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:34, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

text: Black's rook has room to keep checking the white king.  If the king stays near its pawn, the rook can keep checking.  If the king goes after the rook (to stop the checks), the rook can get behind the pawn.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:57, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapter "Similar positions may be drawn" shows position satisfying all criteria for a win, yet is drawn! What gives?