Talk:Bicycle kick

message: No mention of Gareth Bale's wonder goal in the 2018 Champions League Final? For me and many others superior to the Ronaldo goal from the same year which is included in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.159.140.225 (talk) 13:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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message: "Bicycle kick" and "Scissors kick" should not be exchangeable.
A bicycle kick is an overhead kick if the player's back is closer to the ground than his side when performing the feat.
A bicycle kick is a scissor kick if his side is closer to the ground than his back when performing the feat. The orientation of the body of the player won't allow the ball to be above his head. So, there is no way it can be called an "overhead" kick.
The problem is that both feats involve a scissors-like movement. So, terms like "bicycle kick" and "scissors kick" are somewhat ambiguous. Neither would make good "umbrella" term, in my opinion. But, I guess its use is too spread in English.
Overhead kick is a good name if the ball is above the head when performing it. It is called chilena or, chalaca in Spanish.
Scissors kick, in my opinion should be used for what in Spanish is called tijera or, media chilena.
In the Spanish Wikipedia there are two entries as you can realize. So, why should they be the same in English? At least, there should be two sub-sections in this article.
In Spain, they initially used the terms, "tijera" and "media tijera", respectively, in the early days of these feats (which made things confusing). But, that didn't last too long. They, later, adopted the most common terminology used in South America.
Additionally, I consider the term "bicycle kick" to be misleading or too vague. In my opinion, it never resembles a pedaling-like movement. Even further, as it has already been noted at this talk page, "la bicicleta", in Spanish, is a feint used to puzzle an opposite marking player in an attempt to clear him or a goalkeeper before shooting to goal.
Source: I am Ecuadorian. (Yes, Ecuador is in South America) Do I need additional credentials?
George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 04:59, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the English language article, so everything is defined by the usage in the English language. This article is about the Overhead Kick only (per all the photographs and the diagrams). The reference to a Scissor Kick is because of the leg motion, however almost no English commentators would typically use the term scissor kick to describe an overhead kick, they do often use Bicycle Kick however. It is mentioned in this article because some sources do use the term however, because functionally the technical aspects are the same. Nobody in English speaking would use the term "la bicicleta" to confuse the subject as it isn't a kick. Koncorde (talk) 15:34, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not clear to me what exactly is being suggested as a change. Regardless, Koncorde is correct in that the entry here is a reflection of the usage in English. Other languages are mentioned for their interesting history in relation to the maneuver, but that's about it.--MarshalN20 ✉🕊 22:22, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bicycle kick and Scissors kick. 

message: Soccer is not the only football code which has this move. It is also in Australian rules football. But mention of it keeps getting removed. There are some prominent Goal of the Year (AFL) examples.
Here is a very recent example: https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/watch-collingwood-big-man-brody-mihocek-pulls-off-miracle-soccer-style-scissor-kick-to-seal-win-c-10574774 Rulesfan (talk) 04:23, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. In your example, Mihocek kicked the ball softly over his head while falling backwards with one foot still on the ground - does not meet the bicycle kick definition. At best, it occurs occasionally by accident in Australian football, so far short of its status as a highly celebrated soccer skill that it does not bear mentioning. Aspirex (talk) 04:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This also happens in Australian rules football ...