Talk:Damon Runyon

message: This article says that Runyon was interred in the Woodlawn Cemetery in The Bronx, New York.  But weren't his ashes scattered over Broadway by his son, from a plane flown by Eddie Rickenbacker? RickK 05:26, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Method of burial

message: He was also inducted into the WBHOF: http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Damon_Runyon
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thread_title: World Boxing Hall of Fame

message: At the age of 59 I have finally got around to reading Runyon!  Pity I did not do this years ago.  Right off I note two errors in the article.  (1) The text says he died in 1946 but at bottom in the categories we have 1947.  (2) Text says he wrote always in the present tense.  Not true.  He occasionally used the future indicative, especially in situations that would normally require subjunctive.  Example:  "Now most any doll on Broadway will be very glad indeed to have Handsome Jack Madigan give her a tumble ..." (Guys and dolls, "Social error", second paragraph)  Jm546 01:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point about the "future indicative"... I'll have to think about working that in somewhere.  Maybe we need a section with a detailed analysis of his style, separate from the introduction... -- Doom 19:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: One of the stories linked from the article (The Informal Execution of Soupbone Pew) uses the past tense extensively. I also ran across a book review at Time that mentions how his style was less formulaic at the beginning of his career. I don't know his work well enough to fully correct the facts here, but hopefully somebody can incorporate the information. Bradd (talk) 19:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Year of death; present tense

message: I removed some text inserted by User 149.79.145.166 on 15 December 2005 at 15:40:
:The president is often quoted as having said it and he probably did (in relation to arms-reduction talks with the Soviet Union), but Reagan was quoting Runyon. And undoubtedly, as an actor from the same era as Runyon's colorful characters, Reagan knew he was quoting Runyon.
There are 2 problems with this:  First, Reagan repeatedly said that "trust, but verify" was a translation of the Russian proverb "dovorey no provorey", so the claim that he was quoting Runyon is false.  Second, the editor's rank speculation that "undoubtedly ... Reagan knew he was quoting Runyon" has no place in Wikipedia.
JPMcGrath 07:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed False Statement and Speculation

message: Runyon appears as a major character in Diane Duane's in-progress book The Big Meow, together with several other contemporaries.
Is this something which could be mentioned in the article when the book is finished?
HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 13:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be, but shouldn't be. TheScotch (talk) 08:22, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cameo appearance?

message: I don't know where the 1884 birth date used on this page comes from, but many on-line sources state that he was born on October 4, 1880.  I have now confirmed this with his birth announcement in The (Manhattan) Nationalist of October 7, 1880.  I am making this change to the page. -Kgwo1972 (talk) 19:44, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth date

message: Hello - As a longtime lover of Runyon, I feel that it would be nice for the article to be illustrated by a short vignette of his inimitable prose style. Perhaps by means of a box, if not a couple, similar to the those sometimes found on the pages of poets? If so, what to choose? Any suggestions?  MistyMorn (talk) 23:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For sports poetry, "Old Casey Stengel Running His Home Run Home." For the short fictional stories, the fourth paragraph from "The Hottest Guy in the World." Lovibond (talk) 19:52, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Box to illustrate his characteristic style? 

message: === Criminal involvement ===
The article currently states, in reference to the narrator: "he does not admit to any criminal involvement...." However, in the story "Butch Minds the Baby," the narrator does accompany several characters on a heist. His involvement may have been passive, but would nevertheless have left him criminally culpable. If there are no objections, I will qualify "criminal involvement" with the adjective "active." Lovibond (talk) 19:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narrator 

message: The article currently states, in reference to the narrator: "he does not admit to any criminal involvement...." However, in the story "Butch Minds the Baby," the narrator does accompany several characters on a heist. His involvement may have been passive, but would nevertheless have left him criminally culpable. If there are no objections, I will qualify "criminal involvement" with the adjective "active." Lovibond (talk) 19:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criminal involvement 

message: The Clark biography states that some of the stories appeared under a byline "A. Mugg" on first publication, perhaps as a tongue-in-cheek response to queries regarding the narrator's name. I will mention this after locating the specific passage in Clark. Clearly, the "Broadway" moniker used in the radio plays was non-canonical, but is it worthy of mention? Lovibond (talk) 19:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: One of his characters was called "Joe the Joker", and in some ways that character seemed quite reminiscent of Batman's famous nemesis. I was hoping that the article would say whether or not there was any connection between the two characters. Shanen (talk) 00:44, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems a bit of a stretch. Perhaps the Batman creators had read the story - but I have never seen that mentioned. -- Beardo (talk) 15:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joe the Joker related to Batman's nemesis? 

message: The list of stories was removed, presumably as excessive detail. I consider it highly appropriate content for someone famous as a short story writer, and I have restored it. 
It is true we do not include minor works of an author, but how minor depends on the degree to which the author is famous, and the particular genre. This particular author remains one of the best-known popular  American writers in the early part of the 20th century, and is known primarily as a playwright and short story writer. We should therefore include all his plays, and equally all his stories.  We for writers at his level of distinction we normally do not include really minor work, such as newspaper columns and book reviews and the like, but for someone even more famous, like Hemingway, we should do even that.  
The principle here is that WP is NOT PAPER. For a famous writer, we should  as a matter of principle include every separately identifiable work. (Whether a particular writer is above or below the cut-off where we include even the most minor works, would be a matter for discussion  I am not suggesting at the moment that  we do this here--I am only suggesting we include all the stories--though I would not in the least object to it if someone wanted to include even more. ) 
This would still be limited coverage, as compared to a proper academic bibliography: A proper bibliography includes not just every work, but every edition of every work, including  the specific contents of every collection. It includes full publication information for each of these, at a depth considerably deeper than the normal library cataloging. I think it would be inappropriate for us to do this--the effort is usually better spent in trying to include more of the authors and major works we leave out altogether.  
I'm also not discussing whether every separate story should have an article. I'm not sure Runyon has quite as much academic discussion to justify it, but for some writers, like Fitzgerald, there is substantial discussion from multiple sources for every individual story. (In the extreme, like Shakespeare, we already do include separate articles for each sonnet, as there are multiple extensive sources of information for every one of them.) To what extent such articles should be grouped together is a matter of style about which we presently have no consensus--there are undoubtedly many acceptable solutions, but there has never been a work as comprehensive as WP in an online format before, so there's no precedent, and no clear reader expectations.
I do not think the current format satisfactory: it was a convenient way of doing it, and indicates clearly the sources from which the information was taken. But I think it would be much better to have a sortable table, with columns for the date of publication, the magazine they first appeared in, and the coverage in the major anthologies.  DGG ( talk ) 23:29, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Stories

message: These stories are separate from his other work. Some are in “In Our Town”(1946), but some are uncollected. Could we get a list of all of them?
They are easy to spot, as the title is always someone’s name, like “Hank Smith”, sometimes including a title, like “Judge Joes”. 77.69.34.203 (talk) 18:42, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Our Town

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message: Perhaps I have missed it - but does the article say when he moved to New York and when he started writing his New York stories ? -- Beardo (talk) 15:15, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates