Talk:History of Northern Ireland

message: Why is there more information in the late 20th century section than the Troubles article, to which the section links as the main article?
: Probably because contributors preferred to add to the main H of NI article.  Feel free to reorganise but be aware that this is contentious stuff so you need to be very careful to keep to a neutral point of view ("NPOV").  It would be wisest to outline your proposals here first. --Red King 09:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've created a timeline template of the History of the British Isles. My plan is to put it into that article, like the timelines of Irish State in the Irish states since 1171 article.
I'm sure there plenty of mistakes, although I've deliberately left out some states/people for simplicity's sake. The "events" I've added are also obviously "Hiberno-centric", so would like the imput of other's to settle what other events should to be added.
General comments are also welcome. Since the table is fairly complicated, if people want leave suggestions for events and things they would like changed on the templates talk page, I'll add them. --sony-youthpléigh 23:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timelines history fo British isles 

message: This article is so dry without images. I would personally try to avoid clichéd images of the Troubles, or certainly restrict it to no more than one non-partisan, generic image.. but the article is quite long and is begging for images! --Setanta 09:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Need more images

message: where is the pre-plantation history??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.218.172 (talk) 17:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At History of Ireland --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 16:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre-plantation history

message: The USC was formed in 1920, by the UK government (the "Unionist authorities" didn't exist) and to aid the RIC, not the RUC (the RUC was not founded until 1922). I've made the necessary corrections.Mooretwin (talk) 12:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early years of Home Rule / Ulster Special Constabulary 

message: The article gives little coverage to distinct groups on the republican side, with references to "the IRA" throughout presumably relating to the Provisional IRA. It's important to note this distinction, and to reference the end of the Official IRA campaign and the INLA split.Mooretwin (talk) 12:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just went through my own research of this period and I don't think the troops were deployed at the explicit request of the Government.  Infact all I can find is references to the cabinet being very concerned to keep troops off the streets in very early August.Traditional unionist (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Relevance of the above comment to this section? (The Unionist Government requested the deployment of the Army after the sustained rioting in August 1969 meant that the RUC was no longer able to cope.)Mooretwin (talk) 12:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When the RUC were no longer able to cope they started saturating the place in CS gas.  Callaghan was threatening to pull stormont completely if soldiers were deployed, the cabinet knew this and were keen to avoid it.  I don't have any references that they actually asked for troops to be deployed.  I may be wrong, but the references aren't there.Traditional unionist (talk) 13:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether or not you possess the evidence, it happened. It's even referenced in the Troubles article. And I ask again: what is the relevance of this question to this section of the discussion page?Mooretwin (talk) 13:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: actually, if it isn't referenced it has to go.  Do you have a reference for it?Traditional unionist (talk) 13:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, it's referenced in the Troubles article - see final paragraph of "Beginning of the Troubles" section. Or try http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/14/newsid_4075000/4075437.stm ("The British Home Secretary James Callaghan was in a plane on his way to talks with Prime Minister Harold Wilson in Cornwall when he received a radio-telephone call asking for troops to be deployed"). Try also CAIN Chronology http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/othelem/chron/ch69.htm: "Thursday 14 August 1969 - British Army Troops Deployed - After two days of continuous battle, and with the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) exhausted, the Stormont government asked the British government for permission to allow British troops to be deployed on the streets of Northern Ireland. Late in the afternoon troops entered the centre of Derry."Mooretwin (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now we have a reference.  You should reference it in the article.  We could have gotten here much quicker......Traditional unionist (talk) 14:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official and Provisional IRA 

message: The emphasis given in this article to what was, in reality, a mere legal technicality, seems unnecessary. What do others think? Mooretwin (talk) 12:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose that this section be scrapped as it receives disproportionate attention and is already mentioned in the introduction anyway. Any views? Mooretwin (talk) 07:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Shortened and merged with "Partition". Mooretwin (talk) 08:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Ireland votes out of Free State 

message: This article, while entitled "History of Northern Ireland", is a purely political history. There is no economic or social history at all. Surely this is a major omission?Mooretwin (talk) 13:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you got the info (backed by reliable sources)? add what ya can (with consensus backing, of course). GoodDay (talk) 23:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If I get the time, I may do!Mooretwin (talk) 23:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I could add a basic economical section, but would need help to build on it.--Theosony (talk) 17:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: NI was only created in 1921. Most of its economic and social history history is tied in to its politics. AlwynJPie (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the rest? 

message: Let's get to work! I understand that the wording used is a bit overstated, but any other ideas on how to put them? The "mainly Catholics" could be sourced too if it's true, I'll look into that now.--Theosony (talk) 16:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "local government electoral issues" is not a "wider word", it is so vague as to be meaningless. Feel free to add more to gerrymandering, without removing the term itself. O Fenian (talk) 02:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overstatements & wording 

message: I have opened a discussion on a reorganisation of the series of articles dealing with Irish history at Talk:History of Ireland#RFC: Irish history series. --RA (talk) 23:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC: Irish history series 

message: In the course of reading about Irish history I've come across this article and note that it seems to peter out chronologically at 2007, and is therefore in serious need of updating by its main contributors. Kim Traynor (talk) 14:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs updating 

message: There is a sentence in the Partition section which says that "for three days from 6 December 1922 Northern Ireland stopped being part of the United Kingdom and became part of the newly created Irish Free State." This is cited with "'Ulster in the Free State, Voting-Out Today, Memorial to the King'. The Times. 6 December 1922." There is a serious problem with this citation, however. I have got access to The Times Digital Archive, and that headline is nowhere to be seen in the issue of 6 December 1922. In fact, there are two separate news stories, one on the new Free State and the other on "Ulster", and neither one even hints that there is any connection between the two, never mind that one has become part of the other. How this situation arose I cannot guess, but as things stand the sentence is unverifiable, and I am removing it (and the corresponding sentence in the lead) accordingly. I am copying this to Talk:Irish Free State and Talk:Partition of Ireland, which both have similar sentences with the same citation.  Scolaire (talk) 10:33, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it should be removed due to being unsupported by the evidence given Mabuska (talk) 19:22, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Times headline 

message: The whole article has become an incomprehensible mess; parts of it no longer make any sense. It needs to be completely rewritten. AlwynJPie (talk) 18:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Opine less, suggest changes ----Snowded TALK 18:42, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Mess 

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message: Added new sections to expand descriptions of the impact of the election in 2017. --Sm8900 (talk) 04:57, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
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