Talk:Mwai Kibaki

message: Is "Mwai Kǐbakǐ" a "more correct" spelling, or just a variant? Should this article be moved to Mwai Kǐbakǐ?  -- The Anome 13:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did you get that spelling from? --Ezeu 15:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Kikuyu article. On review, I'm getting a nasty feeling that that spelling may only occur on Wikipedia and its mirrors: have we been hoaxed? -- The Anome 21:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That page has been edited by a lot of people who seem ('seem') to know the subject reasonably well, so a hoax seems unlikely (though possible.) Could the ũ-style letters signify pronunciation in some way? --Cherry blossom tree 21:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The article should not be renamed, hoax or not. Mwai Kibaki is the most common spelling – in Kenya and elsewhere. --Ezeu 02:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: I seem to have bumped into an edit war just now - and am on a slow connection. Perhaps someone else could tidy things up later ? Wizzy…☎ 15:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Patch77 and 160 anon.

message: Clearly the article on mwai kibaki is not factual. the significance of minor events as well as shameless defamation of character is taking place . i have  fowarded a complaint and at most untill the issue is resolved i think this article should be flagged.Certain sections of the article on mwai kibaki ,the president of kenya are libelous .The article does not meet Editors standards of not being biased or malicious .The article is clearly pushing an agenda and biased point of view. The third-party published sources are cleverly picked from government critics and news sources that have a history of being biassed such as the bbc when it comes to african issues.The writers of the article are representing their views and misrepresenting them as a majority view.sections of his personal life that state he has a second wife are of concern and of damaging repute to the president . i also take issue with the highlighting section concerning 2005 dismissal of the cabinet . though the event of the sacking did take place most of the insinuations in the article are false and clearly aimed at damaging the reputation of the president . most of the claims are infact out rightly false eg 2005 constitution- the article claims that "Though strongly supported by Kibaki, the majority of Kenya's citizens rejected it". what exactly constitutes a majority ,referendum results clearly showed that though the president was for the constitution it was defeated with a narrow victory for the opposition a 47% loss to a 53% win.
On the 2005 dismissal of cabinet- this events hadly qualifies as a major incident in the presidency of mwai kibaki its importance is grossly over blown.the article goes further to state that "The Cabinet was appointed, but some MPs were offered ministerships but did not take up posts" which also is a fabrication one agin aimmed at the presidents reputation.The laterst entry that On 15 November 2006 he reinstated Kiraitu Murungi as Energy minister, accused of corruption in the Anglo-Leasing scandal, and George Saitoti as Education minister, previously accused in the Goldenberg scandal.is infact misleading Kiraitu Murungi Energy minister, was never accused of corruption in the Anglo-Leasing scandal but rather he was accused of slowing down investigations into anglo leasing as justice minister a huge difference than the implied actual involVement in the scandal
julius says
:This article should adhere Wikipedia policy of neutral point of view. You have several times removed text that can be viewed as negative, that does not fit to neutrality policy. Controversial allegations may be included if they are well sourced. This article clearly states that it is a rumor, not necessarily a fact that he has a second wife. Quality newspers, such as Daily Nation and The Standard, constantly write about Mary Wambui and his questionable status (they too state it may a bare rumor). This article has had some unsourced an even malicious claims, but is under process of being cleaned up. When it comes to dismissal of cabinet, it is a major event in Kenya, as it would be in any other country too. Certainly it deserves to be mentioned at Wikipedia. Finally, a small correction: 58%, not 53 % of Kenyans rejected the constitution. Julius Sahara 17:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: Could you cite the citations that show that the Nation newspapers  said that Mwai kibaki  had a rumoured second wife. As for the standard newspaper one can hadly use a tabloid as citation i might as well use a supermarket tabloid to claim that mwai kibaki'sparents are from mars.clearly statehouse nairobi has put out various warnings to journalist to stop this ridiculus agenda that is aimed at turnishing the presidents name .the standard newspaper is not a quality newspaper as you claim. The standard also has a history with the kibaki government following a raid conducted against the paper  that was authorizrf by kenya's security minister. a matter that is yet to be fully resolved.
on the issue of the referendum  vote a 58% percentage vote against a 42 hadly qualifies as a strong endosement  when less than 50% voter turn out.you need to  stop speculating and insinuating events.what qualifications to you have to even give predictions on upcomming elections stating opion polls is one thing but insinuating that the leader in the polls will only win if the opposition  doesnt mess up is purely speculation  especially when opion polls show that he has a bigger percentage lead than all the opposition  candidates put together .
How else can you  explain having two lines  on kibakis economic policies when he was in charge of a decade of growth in kenya's economy in the 70's and is currently  guiding kenya through a period of unprecedented economic growth of 5.8% with a target of 7% in the next year
:If you find reliable references about Kenya's growing economy, please add it to this page. That would be constructive editing. Unsolicited removal of content is not. Julius Sahara 21:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The BBC citation works for reporting current events.  If the Kenyan government has, to date, put out signed denials of the second wife, especially by Mwai Kibaki himself, please quote their sources Patch77 so they can be included in the article. KP Botany 00:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: News  
Wednesday, January 7, 2004  
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I have only one wife, says Kibaki
By NATION Reporter 
President Kibaki yesterday declared that he has only one wife – Mrs Lucy Muthoni Kibaki. 
In a terse statement released by the Presidential Press Service, President Kibaki asked that the media and the public stop making any references to any other person or persons as his family. 
"Let it be known to all that my immediate family consists of the following," the statement said, listing First Lady Lucy and her four children. 
The statement, headed "Clarification", then went on to list the children as daughter Judy Wanjiku Kibaki and sons Jimmy Kibaki, David Kagai Kibaki and Tony Githinji Kibaki. 
"Kindly refrain from making references about any other purported member of my immediate family," the statement concluded.
:I have changed the article to reflect this information, and made the tone of the comments more neutral, as is appropriate for information of this nature.  The comments from the BBC will stand, as they are simply that: a report of information from a news resource.  
:However, in the future please add a link to your source.  It is originally from a Kenyan newspaper, and I will add the specific reference after I check the newspaper at the library. KP Botany 21:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  purported members of my immediate family 

message: the BBC has a long history of slanted reporting on africa. the bbc in the past 7 years has not published one  positive article  concerning kenya.The British government/establishment  has in the past three years been involved in well documented confrontations with the kibaki government involving the loss of contracts that the british have historically held.
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:If they're "well-documented," particularly outside of Kenya, post links and add the information to the section on Kibaki's personal life.  I will look up information about the integrity and bias of the Kenyan press, also, so the article can allow readers to see the biases of both, should they be well-documents in verifiable and reliable sources.  This is not a problem.  Simply provide sources.  KP Botany 17:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC-bias 

message: Just a note to say I've listed this article at that page, requesting that someone else looks at it just incase I'm seeing it completly incorrectly. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 14:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and Wikipedia:No legal threats. I have said before, if you have a problem with the content then you can talk about it. Repeatedly removing content without discussion will not get you anywhere. --Cherry blossom tree 17:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: The quotes about wives are from 2004 news. Nothing newer and more definite? `'mikkanarxi 00:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's simply a quote from a news report, nothing more or less, for both the Kenyan and BBC.  There are other reports in the media on this, though, so feel free to search for them, and if something better or more interesting comes up, then source it and include it.  However, it's not that interesting compared to other news about Mwai Kibaki, and if not for these continued discussions and vandalism attempts would probably have flown under the radar to nothingness.  All that time spent on this one little section when the article could have been front-loaded about the accomplishments of the man or anything going on right now.  Go ahead, though, and find something more current if you want, and if it is appropriate.  If it is inappropriate or builds the section beyond its importance, please discuss it here first.  Cheers,  KP Botany 03:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, can you flesh out his private life any better in a way that relates to his politics?  Or the article itself?  The Western Press can be, imo, like this: gnaw an off-subject bone to death in the face of compelling news.  All this time spent with this two wives bit could have turned this into a really useful article about the man instead.  KP Botany 03:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The news was reported in 2004 and ran its course then. Most of the media coverage I read seemed pretty satisfied that the story was true, though it was never definite and it was officially denied. I'm not aware of any developments since then. I've edited that article to make the time period more clear. --Cherry blossom tree 23:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kibaki's wives 

message: Cited from the article: "Kibaki's first cabinet was a careful balancing act with one Minister or Assistant Minister coming from each of Kenya's forty-two areas."
Kenya is organized in 8 provinces, 69 districts, 210 constituencies, and 497 divisions. So it's unclear to me what is meant by area here? Tomeasytalk 16:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's meant by area? 

message: Does he have any? Thanks. 79.146.140.241 (talk) 14:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political views 

message: Too positive about time in office and very one-sided in terms of the 2007 elections. (As well as this, some common style errors are found throughout the article). Please be transparent and neutral- add differing viewpoints where appropriate (e.g. corruption, elections, extent of power within PNU). Try to combine more- choose the middle of the road instead of numerous paragraphs with different points of view. Thank you. Wsrh 2009 (talk) 14:41, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The descriptions about his time in office seem pretty critical in places if you ask me (on the Kenyan crisis, his cabinet "dysfunction" and bringing little change from the Moi years). If recent edits have been the ones to fix this, maybe consider removing the warning at the top of the page. SpikeballUnion (talk) 09:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: When did Kibaki die? Currently there are two dates in the article, April 21 and April 22. 
Which one is correct?
95.193.52.146 (talk) 18:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement by Uhuru Kenyatta said it was last night, so 21 April. — Amakuru (talk) 18:14, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The plaque put on his cross today reads 22 April https://imgur.com/a/4Mp63q4 possible that 'last night' was after midnight. 91.198.253.168 (talk) 22:14, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of death