Talk:Bilingual education

message: * Intro sentence makes it sound as if "bilingual education teaches children to become bilingual"
* Most so-called bilingual education, in the U.S., places a higher priority on (a) preventing schoolchildren from falling behind their mainstream peers than on (b) helping them to become bilingual
* The article doesn't address the cultural assimilation issue: some educators want immigrants' children to assimilate into their host culture ("We are wonderful, you should become one of us!"); others actively oppose such assimilation ("Why should we give up our Hispanic (or fill in the blankian) heritage just to fit in?")
* Much terminology is unclear or ambiguous (this might be intentional on the part of advocates)
I began the native-language instruction article partly as a way of starting afresh. But much more work remains to be done. --user:Ed Poor (talk) 19:44, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
Part of the problem here is that in most of the world the aim of bilingual education is to teach a native student a foreign language. However in the US "bilingual education" is an assimilation technique so that foreign language speakers learn English. The artible should clarify those two fundamentally different meanings.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.23.125.9 (talk) 06:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a very solid point. In most international schools, curriculum is taught in english and the second language is typically the host countries language. In the united states, it seems it is english and whatever the school advertises to the communities secondary language is (mandarin school, spanish speaking, japanese speaking, etc...)  Jaytrey02 (talk) 06:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs rewrite

message: In the state by state section although the header is "bilingual education" it seems to refer only to sheltered English immersion classrooms or transitional bilingual educaton. The many flavors of dual language immersion are not addressed. In Massachetts for example there are over thirty dual language immersion programs. The opening section of this article addresses the concept of different models, then it is dropped in this (and possibly some other later sections.)
Also note, when discussing dual language immersion programs the goal is general dual literacy, not simply dual speaking ability. Wikikd (talk) 15:17, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  US info 

message: Bilingual education for little kids are quite common all over the world.  Why is the article concentrated on USA? -- Wshun
:Because the majority of writers of the article are from there. You can certainly add more about bilingual education elsewhere. -- Taku 03:53 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I have added a few lines to summarise the Southeast Asian situation as I know it, focussing on Thailand and Malaysia.  I would be pleased to know if there are any inaccuracies and for additional information to be provided.
-- A M Jones 9 August 2006
Multiple languages are taught in other countries, e.g., Catalan and Spanish taught in Spain.  
Does anyone know further about this, and want to add to this discussion?
How is French imparted to its sizable Arabic speaking population? Dogru144 00:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aside from Africa, India, China, Singapore could be added to your observation.  English is its lingua franca. Dogru144 15:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on bilingual education in other countries

message: This paragraph is repeated elsewhere on Wikipedia at Plurilingualism Promotion Plan and Plan for the promotion of plurilingualism in Andalusia; also the style is rather too personal. I have just recommended that the other two pages be deleted. Jsteph 08:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andalusia material is repeated elsewhere on Wikipedia 

message: The Controversy section is very US centric and not related to bilingual education in general. Should it perhaps be moved to Bilingual education in the United States?  -Adjusting 07:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: I put the  template in, because the entire article is written from a U.S. viewpoint. It starts out with examples and information about bilingual education in the U.S., then has a section "Around the world", which further emphasizes the viewpoint of "U.S. and the rest of the world". The article needs to be rewritten from scratch, or heavily restructured. Jon Harald Søby 17:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be a very good idea to rewrite this article from an international point of view. CrZTgR 01:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the article has been tagged since february. it's one thing to suggest that the article needs to be improved; it's another to actually do the hard work of improving it. since february, the article has been restructured, and as of this date, rather than "the entire article is written from a U.S. viewpoint", barely one-fourth of the article specifically discusses bilingual education in the united states. Most of the article discusses bilingual education in countries other than the united states. i'm removing the tag. Anastrophe 19:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and I did not have time to do the hard work for many months.  I probably will not be able to find time for many months to come.  Unfortunately until someone does "the hard work" and puts the entire (!) Introduction into the United States section, and than writes the "international" Introduction from scratch, the globalize tag needs to stay. CrZTgR 03:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember that this is the English Wikipedia page, the majority of the native english speaking writers are either American or British. Saying it should be globalized to someone who doesnt know the global situation personally is just asking for misinformation  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.28.228.112 (talk) 19:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Globalize 

message: I tried to make the purple prose of the section on Prop 227 a bit more even-handed and included a link to the follow-up report on 227 that the legislature mandated.  Whoever wrote the section did considerable violence to what the research report actually said and then avoided linking it.  I just hate it when people do things like that.  They also mischaracterised what 227 actually did, which was not to abolish bilingual education programs but rather to abolish kids being automatically assigned to bilingual programs on the basis of their family surname, a practice that I found barbaric in a state like California where you can find families with Spanish surnames who have spoken English in the home for generations and other families with English surnames who have spoken Spanish in their homes for equally long times.
It looks to me like similar violence was done to the little section on Arizona's Prop 203.  I don't know enough of the detail there to do a proper job of giving that section a wash and brush up.  Plaasjaapie 18:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  California Prop 227 

message: Don't Filipinos speak Tagalog not Filipino or was this done on purpose? (unattributed comment)
Most Filipinos do indeed speak Tagalog those, iirc, a number of other languages besides English and Spanish are common in the country as well.  Plaasjaapie 18:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagalog 

message: I've taken the liberty to make some small grammatical changes in the sentences referring to the model used at Sunthornphu school in Rayong.  I hope these are acceptable.  Adrian Jones 6 September 2007  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrianmjones44 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southeast Asia 

message: I do not understand why the article assumes that the persons enrolled in the bilingual program speak something other than English. Where is the information about programs trying to teach, say, Spanish to English native speakers immersively?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.28.228.112 (talk) 19:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  English as the Second Language only  

message: The material below has been reverted twice from the BE page. 
Two-way developmental bilingual education programs in elementary school have the most success in language minority students' long term academic achievement. This is shown as measured by standardized tests across all subject areas. These students will maintain their academic performance at secondary level in academic classes taught all in English (from the Ramirez 1991 dataset, c Thomas and Collier, 1995). Some people make the mistake that once a student can converse in English (Basic interpersonal communication skills - BICS), they will naturally perform well academically (cognitive academic language proficiency - CALP) in English. It has been postulated that BICS and CALP are two different sets of skills. (Language Minority Students in the Mainstream Classroom, Carrasquillo and Rodriguez, Multilingual Matters Ltd., c 1996) 
The first time because "I'm afraid this has been discredited, also"
and the second time because "It's not a reliable source..."
Both of the above points are backed by research, including in the sources cited. Comments are welcome. abuse t (talk) 03:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The material has been restored to the page in an edited form with full citations. abuse t (talk) 02:42, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of material twice on page 

message: Added links to the two main websites for bilingual education in Scandinavia (Norway and Sweden). Actually I am very surprised that there is no section about multilingual education in those two countries, because bilingual education is very common in those two states for over 100 languages! Will add these two sections when I get some time. --און 20:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bilingual education in Scandinavia 

message: Please read WP:EL, in particular what to link and Links normally to be avoided. If you have a website with relevant content, then link directly to the content, and not to the mainpage. If the material is useful to support the text on the article, then add it directly as a reference on the proper place. 
See WP:NOTLINK: "Wikipedia articles are not (...) mere collections of external links or Internet directories" --Enric Naval (talk) 18:33, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of external links 

message: The SC decision was made based on a study of bilingual schools that were already known to be failing.  Flores' original complaint was that the bilingual schools were failing, and the SC used the fact that those particular schools were failing to dismiss bilingual education entirely.  Bilingual Ed properly administered is at least as good as SEI in teaching English and far, far better at teaching everything else.  SEI removes students from math and science and puts them in extra English classes instead, which I would think would be in violation of NCLB. AThousandYoung (talk) 19:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Horne v Flores

message: I found:
* "Difference or Disorder? Researchers develop tool to identify bilingual children with true language disorders." The University of Texas at Austin.
WhisperToMe (talk) 19:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: I THINK ALL THIS INFORMATION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND SHOULD BE IN THE ARTICLE. MAYBE THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY MANY COUNTRIES ARE BEGINNING TO PROMOTE BILINGUALISM, APART FROM THE OTHER OBVIOUS REASONS: IT JUST MAKES PEOPLE SMARTER. IN FACT, NUMEROUS STUDIES SHOW THAT IF GROUPS OF SIMILAR SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS ARE COMPARED, BILINGUALS EXCEED IN CERTAIN INTELLECTUAL ABILITIES, AND EVEN BRAIN STRUCTURE SEEMS TO BE AFFECTED, EVEN THE QUANTITY OF GREY MATTER, THE BASIS OF INTELLIGENCE. IT ALSO DELAYS THE ONSET OF MENTAL DESEASES LIKE ALZHEIMERS UP TO 4 TO 5 YEARS, BECAUSE BILINGUAL BRAINS ARE STRONGER WIRED. IN SHORT, A REAL REVOLUTION IN SCIENCE:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/science/31conversation.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/26/health/la-he-bilingual-brain-20110227
http://docs.callinter.com/page23.php
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/04/135043787/being-bilingual-may-boost-your-brain-power
http://news.discovery.com/human/bilingualism-language-brain-function.html
http://ed.stanford.edu/in-the-media/bilingualism-good-brain-researchers-say
http://www.educationnation.com/index.cfm?objectid=0D68C206-DD7B-11E0-93E3000C296BA163
http://goodnews.ws/blog/2011/11/09/bilingualism-good-for-the-brain-the-secret-to-decide-more-quickly/
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2011/10/13/toronto.researchers.find.first.physical.evidence.bilingualism.delays.onset.alzheimers.symptoms
STANISLAO.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.74.163.240 (talk) 16:04, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  LASTEST REASERCH ON BILINGUALISM. 

message: I THINK ALL THIS INFORMATION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND SHOULD BE IN THE ARTICLE. MAYBE THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY MANY COUNTRIES ARE BEGINNING TO PROMOTE BILINGUALISM, APART FROM THE OTHER OBVIOUS REASONS: IT JUST MAKES PEOPLE SMARTER. IN FACT, NUMEROUS STUDIES SHOW THAT IF GROUPS OF SIMILAR SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS ARE COMPARED, BILINGUALS EXCEED IN CERTAIN INTELLECTUAL ABILITIES, AND EVEN BRAIN STRUCTURE SEEMS TO BE AFFECTED, EVEN THE QUANTITY OF GREY MATTER, THE BASIS OF INTELLIGENCE. IT ALSO DELAYS THE ONSET OF MENTAL DESEASES LIKE ALZHEIMERS UP TO 4 TO 5 YEARS, BECAUSE BILINGUAL BRAINS ARE STRONGER WIRED. IN SHORT, A REAL REVOLUTION IN SCIENCE:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/science/31conversation.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/26/health/la-he-bilingual-brain-20110227
http://docs.callinter.com/page23.php
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/04/135043787/being-bilingual-may-boost-your-brain-power
http://news.discovery.com/human/bilingualism-language-brain-function.html
http://ed.stanford.edu/in-the-media/bilingualism-good-brain-researchers-say
http://www.educationnation.com/index.cfm?objectid=0D68C206-DD7B-11E0-93E3000C296BA163
http://goodnews.ws/blog/2011/11/09/bilingualism-good-for-the-brain-the-secret-to-decide-more-quickly/
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2011/10/13/toronto.researchers.find.first.physical.evidence.bilingualism.delays.onset.alzheimers.symptoms
STANISLAO.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.74.163.240 (talk) 16:11, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  LASTEST REASERCH ON BILINGUALISM. 

message: some information about bilingual system in the alto adige/sudtyrol area of Italy would be very appreciated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.97.99.254 (talk) 12:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italy 

message: There are some obvious problems that need to be fixed in the article. First, as seen several times in the article, the citation is incomplete. Another problem is that the layout seems to be messy and the article is too long to read. Especially the subheadings under “By country or region”, they need to be rearranged. The examples are jumping back and forth in the geographic distribution. Most of them can be arranged in a table by countries and regions, and the languages in the education. Typical cases can be discussed following the table. Last but not the least, the article does not contain some necessary information, such as the up-to-date general view of bilingual education in the world (as an introduction), the bilingual education in Africa, and criticism or controversy about bilingual education. I did notice that there is a part about controversy in bilingual education in US, which can be singled out as a new section called “Controversy”. It may look more neutral and impartial in its view.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krissong1994 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some suggestions 

message: I think this article would benefit from more information on bilingual education in Latin America. I know that Argentina is cited, but bilingual education programs unite countries across Latin America, including Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, Guatemala, Peru, Paraguay and Mexico. As other editors have mentioned, this could also include dual language programs in languages other than English, for example, Spanish and the indigenous languages of these particular countries. Kingsleyta (talk) 04:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for improvement 

message: This edit caught my eye, and caused me to wonder at the apparent lack of organization of the specific countries covered in this article -- AFAICS, they're not organized alphabetically, by geopolitical region, or in any other way. Unless there is a better way which is peculiar to the article topic, I suggest that the countries covered by the article be grouped by geopolitical region and sub-region, with the groups arranged alphabetically and countries arranged alphabetically within those groupings. Comments? If not, I'll probably rearrange the By country or region section along these lines at some point in the near future. 
Incidentally, since the edit which caught my eye involved Bangladesh, I was surprised that the article does not mention Pakistan; a bit of googling turned up , among other things. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization of the article 

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message: The section on Myths surrounding bilingual education violate Wikipedia's neutrality guidelines (see WP:NPOV) as they only show the views of the side in favour of bilingual education. In particular, the entire section on "Bilingual education#Myth: Childhood bilingualism may be detrimental to both linguistic and cognitive development and consequently lead to poorer results at school." relies only on one source from Linda Espinosa from the University of Missouri:
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A more balanced section would include views from multiple perspectives of the issue, some of which could be found to have mainstream coverage: 
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and are completely neglected by this section. 130.126.255.134 (talk) 22:07, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violations of [[WP:NPOV]] in [[Bilingual education#Myths surrounding bilingual education section|Myths surrounding bilingual education]] 

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message: The first paragraph mentions that one of the benefits of bilingual education is " revive another language." My initial guess is that this is a reference to bilingual programs that are established with the goal of preventing language extinction (ie indigenous languages), but this is not clear from how it is currently phrased and also lacks a citation. 
In general, both paragraph is awkwardly worded and includes quotations that seem unnecessary and could be rephrased to eliminate them. Additionally, the section could benefit from more structure/organization. As it currently reads, it seems like just a random list of potential benefits. It might be helpful to add subheadings to categorize different benefits (e.g. cross cultural understanding, cognitive, etc).
In the "bilingual education program models" section, there is also a subset of benefits under "effects of mother-tongue instruction" that might make more sense in this section. 
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thread_title:  Importance of Bilingual Education 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: ANTH473 INLG480 Living Languages

message: I noticed some specific strategies were mentioned in the program models part, I pulled those out and put them in a strategies section and added a few more that I could find good sources for. It definitely should be reviewed for accuracy and to add more particularly relevant strategies, especially if there are strategies used outside of the US. The ones I included are ones I  learned in my courses on bilingual education in the US so they might not be inclusive of what is done in other countries. ~~~  Rmeaso (talk) 15:55, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bilingual education strategies