Talk:List of United States over-the-air television networks

message: Re: The Omni Broadcast Network: Someone has listed the network as having 38 full-power affiliates in the table. I would like a source on this. The ONLY reference I can find on Omni is the company web-site, which boasts 38 stations, NOT 38 full-power stations. In fact, Omni's flagship station, its only O&O, is an LP (low power) station. Until I see a source for this rather unknown company having 38 full power stations, I'm changing the number back to what it originally was: 0.--Firsfron 10:21, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Please see my comments in Talk:Lists of television channels if you are interested in standardizing the various television station/channel pages. - dcljr 02:37, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive problems 

message: I think that either all of the networks should be referenced by their full names in the "English-language American commercial over-the-air television networks" area, or by their abbreviations, with their full names following [not some each way].  Tonsofpcs 05:55, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: Well, it was bound to happen. Two limping netlets ((Used Parts Network and The WB) finally merge.
What will happen to the tables once the network comes on the air?
Will we start seeing a hungry NBC licking its lips at i (TV network) next?
Raccoon Fox 03:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Once UPN and WB merge, we'll have to update the table. But they won't merge until Autumn. The pages which list each network's affiliates will also have to be updated, as well as the lists of US TV stations beginning with K, W, and X.--Firsfron 23:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can handle updating the lists if you want. Shouldn't be too difficult. Just curious, though...should i add the CW Network and My Network TV to the table, or wait until they launch? Raccoon Fox 03:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In my opinion it is better to wait until they are actually up and running (or close to it) before they appear on this list. That is just my opinion, though. I think there will be many changes before they are finally on the air, and it doesn't make sense to me to update the list continually, based on the vagueness that currently surrounds the question of which nets will get which affiliates. Currently, the list of CW network affiliates is in bad shape because editors have added potential affiliates to the list, and the list of My Network TV affiliates may get to be the same way.--Firsfron 19:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The CW Network]] 

message: Since Deutsche Welle offers programming to different stations, and is called a "Network", should it be listed with the affiliates? and if so, should the same go for the Kids WB, FoxBox/4Kids Entertainment, and BKN animation blocks? That is how the Retro Television Network (RTN) started, at least....
 User:Raccoon Fox - Talk  00:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed FoxKids and Kids WB from the list. These aren't separate networks, obviously, as their name implies, but just programming offered by the same company. RTN, from what I see, is just airing syndicated programming, so I'm unsure it should even be listed as a network, but if they're marketing themselves as a network, I'm cool with leaving them in the list, for now. DW... do we have a source where they themselves call the company a network?--Firsfron of Ronchester 16:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syndication/Programming Blocks or Network Programming? 

message: Is this an actual network? The article in its flagship station WIAV-LP seems to say so....three stations, to be precise. does that warrant it to be a Network, and for it to be listed here?  User:Raccoon Fox - Talk  00:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the link, the "official web-site" of Asia Vision doesn't mention Asia Vision, and the company that owns the station, Radio Music Productions, says it offers TV and Radio advertisement production. What television network makes local (DC-area) commercials? And what television network makes no mention of its name on its official web-site? (To be fair, I only checked out the main page and the four or five pages underneath it, but there was no mention of Asia Vision anywhere on them). I removed the network from the list, temporarily, until a link can be provided showing Asia Vision is an actual network (like an official web-site, heck one of the "networks" we list has only a MySpace account!) --Firsfron of Ronchester 16:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asia Vision 

message: It seems that Shop at Home has been revived as a part-time network.  I think we can remove references to its closure now...  --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 12:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. --Firsfron of Ronchester 16:07, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shop at Home 

message: Shall i organize the Table by Network Name, Age, Size (affiliate number), or by type? Should i even break the template up into different templates? it seems to be getting awfully big...  User:Raccoon Fox • Talk 23:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was huge. I don't object.--Firsfron of Ronchester 01:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: Someone should add MyNetworkTV to the table of networks. i was thinking about adding it myself, but i dont know several important details (eg: % of U.S. Households Reached, # of Households Viewable, # of full-power affiliates, # of low-power affiliates & transmitters), so i hope someone will do it.Yet-another-user 04:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MyNetworkTV 

message: I'm noting several of non-broadcast networks here (Bloomberg, HITN, HTV); I'm going to remove them, unless someone can point to them as full-time broadcast networks someplace (Yes, I know they are cable/satellite, but this article is for broadcast nets) --Mhking 14:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. If someone can provide refs that they operate over-the-air stations, they should be kept. Barring that, there's no reason they should be in these lists. Firsfron of Ronchester 21:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

text: RacconFox -- unless you can provide notation as to WHERE those networks are broadcast networks, they shouldn't be included. --Mhking 18:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-broadcast networks 

message: I dont think PBS should be included as a network becouse its govorment affiliated, non comercial, and all its stations are independent of each other, nor should its predicesor NET.
--J intela 03:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of how it's funded, PBS is a "network" in that all of its stations follow a similar branding pattern, carry much of the same programming (though not always on the same schedule), and are controlled by a single entity (the Corporation for Public Broadcasting). Whether it's "commercial" or not has nothing to do with it - PBS, and its NET predecessor, have always been a true network of TV stations. Duncan1800 (talk) 07:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Would you say the same about the BBC in the UK, CBC in Canada, TVNZ in New Zealand, etc., as they're all public television broadcasters, much like PBS? The thing is, even though PBS member stations aren't "technically" owned by PBS, they still air a lot of its programming. I mean, to an extent, even stations actually owned by the major US networks (CBS, NBC, ABC) don't always air network programming, but they're still considered network affiliates. Just because a network produces programming doesn't always mean a station affiliated with said network will air that programming; WBBM (CBS 2 Chicago), WMAQ (NBC 5 Chicago), WLS (ABC 7 Chicago), WFLD (Fox 32 Chicago), & WPWR (My50 Chicago) don't always air programming produced by the network they're owned by, but they're still considered network stations. 2600:1700:C960:2270:918D:B7CC:B727:5ADE (talk) 05:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  PBS 

message: This article really needs updating. For example, The Tube Music Network is now defunct, But has not been added to the list of defunct TV networks. I'd do it myself but I'm half-asleep 58.104.20.194 (talk) 07:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to take this on, as it's desperately in need of help. I'll be placing an edit tag on top of the page, as it might take me a day or so to do the research. Duncan1800 (talk) 07:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, I can't get to it right now, so I've removed the edit tag. Feel free to revert if you wish, but I didn't honestly change much. The plan was to reconcile the text at the bottom of the page with the tables on top, to split up both of those blocks. I would also argue that the specific info about each network could be moved to the relevant articles, as this page is already 38k in hugeness. Duncan1800 (talk) 09:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs Updating 

message: Expect high traffic to this page, fellow wikipedians. Yahoo! is linking to it from  RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 20:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  high-traffic alert 

message: Really, many of the networks mentioned have added PLENTY of affiliates since the numbers were added to this article. Retro Agnostic (talk) 03:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is so out of date it's funny

message: Just started this month, please add it! My Retro TV. Retro Agnostic (talk) 17:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Already exists - RTN Retro Television Network (myretrotv.com). Not a new network, but changed hands in 2008 due to the Equity Media Holdings chapter 11 bankruptcy, now operated by Luken Communications. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 05:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Please add [[My Retro TV]]

message: The article says FOX, CW and MyNetworkTV reach exactly the same number of people, which is obviously incorrect.  Does anyone have the real numbers?
Pja1981 (talk) 18:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: FOX, CW and MyNetworkTV

message: It should be removed from the major television networks section, since News Corp has announced that MNT is technically no longer a TV network, but more of a programming syndication service now. 67.173.117.222 (talk) 09:57, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is technically true, and the change was made for legal reasons. However in practice it is still treated as a TV network by almost everyone, including elsewhere on Wikipedia, plus by the affiliates and TV listings. Therefore it's been re-added to the list. 82.153.198.135 (talk) 21:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your "by almost everyone" is a WP:WEASEL violation as it is unverifiable and violates the WP:V mandate. Therefore, I am removing this as unverifiable original research under the WP:NOR mandate. - Davodd (talk) 11:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with the above comments. myNetworkTV is no longer a major network and it needs to be bumped down. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:49, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  About myNetworkTV 

message: I've been trying to find an updated number, but RTN has lost many affiliates in the last year to competitors like Antenna TV and MeTV, so 67% is probably no longer correct.
(Esw01407 (talk) 20:23, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to copy this over to WP:TVS so that someone more familiar with the math of this article can help us out. Nate • (chatter) 01:18, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Retro Television Network % of U.S. households reached

message: can someone explain why, despite having many more stations than the commercial networks, PBS reaches less population? 68.227.174.198 (talk) 00:58, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Some television markets just don't have a PBS station or are served by satellite stations, or for larger states with a less dense population, are served by translators that aren't counted in the numbers. Nate • (chatter) 02:50, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  PBS, stations vs. population reached 

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message: Someone needs to write up a valid non-free use rationale on the image page for the PBS logo, so that the logo can be included in the box with the logos for ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, & The CW. Honestly, I have no clue how to do it myself (I've never written up something like that), so a more experienced editor would need to write one up, so the logo can be put back in the article. 2600:1700:C960:2270:5D07:23C4:1139:5BF1 (talk) 08:26, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning the inclusion of the PBS logo in the article... 

message: An editor has decided, without discussing it beforehand, to demote The CW's position within the article to a minor TV network.
Now, after doing some research through Google (, , ), it seems to me that The CW is in fact America's fifth major TV network after ABC, CBS, Fox, & NBC.
So, should The CW's position in the article be reverted back to being a major TV network? 2600:1700:C960:2270:4DA1:A876:E48E:5AC (talk) 23:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: All reverted; clear vandalism. The IP has been doing this same thing for months and trying to be WP:POINTy about MyNetworkTV being a network rather than the time-filler block it is now (and some foggy CRYSTALing that the C-Dub will end up only carrying NewsNation when Nexstar acquires control, which isn't happening). I'll continue to revert this; it carries original programming. End of. Nate • (chatter) 23:26, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This too; the network will find replacement affiliates despite the loss of CBS stations and they still originate mostly original programming, even if it's from unconventional or international sources. Nate • (chatter) 01:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: CW Sports programming is not carried by CW affiliates owned by CBS News and Stations (which dropped the network's programming on September 1, 2023, and already has rival PGA Tour), Lilly Broadcasting, or Tegna Inc.; In the affected markets that don't air coverage of LIV Golf, CW Sports programming will air on digital multicast networks carried on digital subchannels under a secondary affiliation agreement, so technically CW Sports is a programming service similar to MyNetworkTV. 2603:8001:B202:3294:B8C5:DD92:B856:1582 (talk) 18:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a clearly temporary situation that will resolve over time as affiliation agreements are updated or made (which NX is taking care of as far as the loss of the CBSNS group); the articles to note this are those involving The CW, not this one, because that goes into finite detail territory. Also it features original content for sure, not a rerun feed like MyNet. Nate • (chatter) 18:34, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's worth noting that the new CW affiliate in Seattle (KOMO-DT2) has a secondary affiliation with the digital multicast network Comet, so technically it has a similar format to MyNetworkTV, which usually maintains secondary affiliation agreements with other digital multicast networks. 2603:8001:B202:3294:D9FA:68F:C5EB:5439 (talk) 02:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Nexstar's acquisition of The CW resulted in criticism, specifically their strategy is to cut back on its original programming, instead by converting the network into a programming service relying on syndicated content from broadcast networks and cable channels, and sports programming. It's worth mentioning that most CW stations owned by Nexstar have deemphasized the network's branding outside of the network's programming schedule. 24.30.157.170 (talk) 02:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A so-called "programming service" (which is wholly uncited) wouldn't be adding sports programming in new timeslots or just carrying old Dateline episodes found on Xumo and calling it a day. Canadian content not seen in America before, along with sports programming, is still new content and it's clear this is a transition period as a network, not a white flag. And one very unusual aberration in its affiliation base (which was a last-minute issue and will be settled down the line) does not portend the network's fate. Unlike MyNetworkTV which is declining into a true secondary service on subchannels with 'primary' as a misnomer, The CW is still a network, and you need to stop unless you have strong industry sourcing as to this conclusion.  Nate • (chatter) 03:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Nexstar does has the option to buy the remaining stakes of The CW sometime between 2024 and 2026, just to confirm that Nexstar is violating FCC ownership regulations since the company owns almost 200 stations, and it's possible that Nexstar will highly likely downgrade The CW to a to a minor broadcast network. 2603:8001:B202:3294:A87A:F9DC:F23B:5ED (talk) 04:25, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Until, and if that day comes that they just offer a flat 24/7 feed of repeats, right now it's a major broadcast network. They have affiliates and offer original programming. It's a network. This argument is tiresome and you're now in the territory of debate for the sake of it even as your argument was refuted months ago. Nate • (chatter) 13:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There were recent affiliation changes that happened in Phoenix DMA, as KASW recently became an independent station airing telecasts of the Arizona Coyotes hockey team, and The CW affiliation moved to KNXV-DT2, sharing a secondary affiliation with the multicast network Antenna TV. Now it's confirmed that The CW has a similar format to MyNetworkTV. 2603:8001:B202:3294:54BF:A16:D250:30E1 (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: And this changes absolutely nothing. Still a broadcast network, not a syndicated service. We're done here. The horse has reincarnated into something else and wants you to move on now. Nate • (chatter) 00:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning The CW's status as a TV network... 

message: Ion Television is not a broadcast network, as the majority of the network's affiliates are automated with the same schedule of duplicative programming easily found on streaming services, unlike the other broadcast networks which program their own schedules. In fact, Ion Television also operates as a streaming channel and as a pay television network. The network obviously had a better history when it was known as Pax TV, which had original programming in its early years. I wish Ion Television shuts down forever and their stations will revert to their independent status afterwards. 2603:8001:B202:3294:54BF:A16:D250:30E1 (talk) 04:27, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It has television stations that broadcast it as a main channel. There are affiliates. There is sports coverage on the network. It is free-to-air to everyone and not a 'pay channel'. This is becoming disruptive and you've been told this multiple times. Stop your persistence and find something else to do; further questions like this will be removed unanswered (and certainly not debated). Nate • (chatter) 05:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If Ion Television does shut down, Ion Plus would take over Ion's channel space, and then Qubo would relaunch afterwards. Besides, both networks had more better programming, particularly Canadian content.2603:8001:B202:3294:8BD:3038:1118:CE8A (talk) 08:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Ion Television 

message: In the past, the Big Four networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox) maintained secondary affiliations on stations affiliated with other networks depending on the market; This would also apply to UPN and The WB, which usually relied on secondary affiliations as well. 2603:8001:B202:3294:255C:4D3F:B587:AC8E (talk) 02:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently, the only two broadcast networks that share secondary affiliations with other networks are The CW and MyNetworkTV, both of which are programming services that share secondary affiliations with digital multicast networks such as Antenna TV. 2603:8001:B202:3294:EC21:A6B8:73DE:92D7 (talk) 02:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What?? The CW is a network, not a service. It's not like MyNetworkTV, and yes, stations like Sinclair-Owned KOMO-TV and Scripps-Owned KNXV-TV air the CW on a digital subchannel, it's not considered a programming service but it airs programs that aren't all repeats. I don't understand your reasoning but it's not a service, it's a network. Mer764Wiki (talk) 03:21, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

text: What about The CW Sports, which is a syndication service that shares secondary affiliations with other stations, as most CW affiliates refused to air sports programming. 2603:8001:B202:3294:EC21:A6B8:73DE:92D7 (talk) 04:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's part of the network. Stop. Nate • (chatter) 14:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadcast networks that share secondary affiliations 

message: The FCC fined Nexstar for violating ownership regulations after acquiring The CW without any approval, but for also giving CBS the right to disaffiliate from The CW in eight large markets. In fact, the company owns too many owned-and-operated stations that a large number of them are in smaller markets via The CW Plus syndication service. And now the Scripps-owned stations are dropping the CW affiliations in seven markets on September 1, 2024. It's worth noting that the secondary CW affiliations with multicast networks in Seattle and Phoenix were rather short-lived, as the affiliations moved to KUNS-TV and KAZT-TV. 2603:8001:B202:3294:A06A:B0D1:4E56:9EC4 (talk) 06:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  FCC ownership violations