Talk:George Herbert

message: A recent, anonymous edit, while adding much good content (although sourcing none of it), removed the following:
#That the town near Salisbury where Herbert wrote his poetry was Bemerton
#A sentence "He was ordained deacon c.1624, and was installed as a canon of Lincoln Cathedral and prebendary of Leighton Bromswold, near T. S. Eliot's Little Gidding, in 1626."
#A sentence near the start "Herbert balanced a secular career with a life of theological contemplation."
As far as I know, 1 & 2 are both factual, and 3 seems a useful transition in the article. I think that the association of Little Gidding with Eliot is useful: it is the main reason people today know the name, and many may not recognize why they know it. 
If I do not hear reasons to the contrary (e.g. that this content was factually wrong) in a few days, I intend to restore this content, flowed into the current text. -- Jmabel 03:29, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is speaking up, so I've restored the Elliot reference, Bemerton, and the transitional sentence. The rest I'm not certain of; biographical info in the article could profitably be expanded and sourced. -- Jmabel 23:43, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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message: The contribution reading 
:: == Special:Allpages/George Herbert ==
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::* (:en:George Herbert == :eo:George HERBERT) =/= (:it:George Herbert == :en:George Herbert, 5th Earl of Carnarvon)
::* Best regards Gangleri | [ Th] | T 09:27, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)
may intend to say something beyond the facts that 
# George Herbert and George Herbert, 5th Earl of Carnarvon need dab'n, and
# care should be taken to tag the corresponding articles in other WPs accurately.
But 
*the Dab tag should not be used anywhere but on a Dab page, 
* George Herbert is Dab'd adequately by its ToP Dab,
*the vital stats suggest that all the interwiki lks from George Herbert currently go to bios on the same person, 
* the articles, other than the two i've mentioned, with titles beginning "George Herbert.." are of no interest here: they certainly do not belong on a Dab page, and 
* if there's more, i'll not be the one to puzzle it out.
Jerzy•t 22:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dab issue (& ?)

message: I find the last paragraph rather high brow, but on the whole acceptable, with two exceptions.  
1) I would strike out "the last syllable of recorded time", words of an utterly disenchanted Macbeth, that definitely don't mean to suggest (neither directly nor via dramatic irony) a "signifier" beyond this life, this "tale told by an idiot,...signifying nothing".
2) The lines from The Collar
    "Thy rope of sands,
    Which petty thoughts have made, and made to thee
    Good cable, to enforce and draw,
    And be thy law,
    While thou didst wink and would not see." 
are out of place here. In The Collar different voices are heard, dramatizing a fundamental inner conflict. It seems to me that in the passage quoted a certain secundary egotism - secundary in that it reacts to and derides the 'puritan' choice - voices its claim. In Kierkegaards terms: the esthetic stage criticizes the ethic stage. 
But whatever the 'proper' sense of these lines, as they stand here, they  give an impression of Herbert as some sort of hermetic poet.
Max Staudt (21 Oct 2005)
Secondary  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.35.39 (talk) 15:43, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last paragraph 

message: I suggest that to use "consumption" in this case is better than using "tuberculosis" as it has a broader meaning.  It is impossible at this stage to be sure precisely what a modern clinician would have diagnosed.  "Consumption" - which is not should as archaic in my dictionary - certainly covers it.
Horis 17:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Consumption

message: was he related with Zbigniew Herbert??
Kowalmistrz 17:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Zbigniew claimed to be a distant relative but the connection is not demonstrated in his wikipedia article. George Herbert did not have direct biological descendants. The claim may be considered poetic licence.Cloptonson (talk) 13:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zbigniew Herbert 

message: I'm kind of interested in this page. Lucretius 01:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: hello

message: A retired professor has written what looks to be a very interesting article on Herbert, here. Wikipedia editors may wish to incorporate some of the material into the WP article. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citizendium article

message: Richard is incorrectly described as "Lord Herbert" at time of his death when George was three, and Edward (George's brother) is described as inheriting "his father's barony".  Richard never became a peer (he may have been a manorial lord which would not usually carry a prefix title) so there was no peerage for Edward to inherit.  Edward did become Baron Herbert of Castleisland in the Irish Peerage in 1625 and Baron Herbert of Cherbury in the English peerage in 1629.  I am correcting the references accordingly. (They might have appeared in the sources to which citations refer but they are still incorrect.)Cloptonson (talk) 21:42, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Father's title (incorrect)

message: It seems that the reference to T.S.Eliot in connection with Little Gidding has been removed at least twice from the article. I too have deleted it and wish to give valid editorial reasons. 
# The article is about George Herbert. It is irrelevant to bring in the future associations of a place which Herbert only visited, but where he did not reside. 
# There is a link to the Little Gidding article, which mentions the Eliot association in its lead. Anyone who wants to know more about the place can find out that way. There is no need to bring it in here. The repetition is as stupid as the remark about "Brazil, where the nuts come from," in the play Charley's Aunt. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 23:28, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little Gidding 

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message: Watchers of this article may be interested in cleaning up a new article, The Collar (George Herbert). – Jonesey95 (talk) 08:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Collar (George Herbert) 

message: On 12 April 2013, User:Colonel Henry added the information that [John] "Donne would stand-in as George's godfather after Lord Herbert's death when George was three years old", giving as reference an expired site citing a talk by "Brother Patrick Moore" on "The Roots of Christian Mysticism". An additional reference is made to Amy Charles' "A Life of George Herbert", but a Google search of it does not verify that claim. The information certainly does not appear in Izaac Walton's biography of the poet. Since Colonel Henry has now been indefinitely blocked as a sock-puppet, he's unavailable to comment further. Another editor has just called the statement into question and I would be inclined to delete it as misleading without a more valid scholarly source. First, though, can anyone supply an alternative, accessible reference? Sweetpool50 (talk) 15:51, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any evidence of Donne being involved at that stage of his life with Richard Herbert in a way that would lead to him being asked to become godfather? He was barely 21 when George was born in 1593. Also to be a godfather, with the responsibility of preparing a godchild for confirmation, would Donne have been acceptable at an Anglican christening service if he had not yet renounced his parental Catholicism? The impression I have is that Donne met the Herberts after Richard died when the children were being educated in Oxford and London.Cloptonson (talk) 13:21, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "godfather?" 

message: Serious researchers will want to know that British composer Eva Ruth Spalding also set Herbert’s poems to music. She was removed from the main article for not being “notable” enough. For details, see her wikipedia article.
T. E. Meeks (talk) 12:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: is really trying to boost hits for an article he created yesterday on a composer described as "somewhat obscure" by the first of the sources he quotes. What he does not mention are the date of the setting and that the one poem by Herbert set is part of a group of three by different authors. The "serious researchers" he claims will be interested demand a good deal more accuracy than that. Sweetpool50 (talk) 14:02, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional Musical Setting