Talk:Paphies australis

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message: There should be a mention of the difference between NZ pipis as documented here, and Australian pipis (Plebidonax deltoides) as documented elsewhere in Wikipedia. Haryadoon (talk) 09:20, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Pipis - Plebidonax deltoides 

message: Mactra ovata appears to be a synonym for this and should, if that's correct be merged/redirected to this article. Grateful for comments on this, since biology is quite a way outside me wheelhouse and I may have misunderstood the situation. Furius (talk) 00:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I can't see why the oval trough shell (Mactra ovata, more properly Cyclomactra ovata) has been added as a synonym of pipi, when they're not even in the same family (Mactridae vs. Mesodesmatidae). All the New Zealand shellfish pages seem to be a bit of a disaster and it would be good to get some biologists involved editing them. An approachable, easily available, and fairly up-to-date reference would be Morley (2004) Seashells of New Zealand (New Holland), in every library in NZ. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 10:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The claim of synonymity is also mentioned on Mactra and on WORMS here. Furius (talk) 11:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, it looks like the name Mactra ovata Wood 1828 is a synonym of Paphies australis. A later name Spisula ovata Gray 1843 (incorrectly combined as Mactra ovata (Gray 1843) in the Wikipedia article) is a different taxonomic name to the one Wood coined in 1828, and is one of several synonyms of Cyclomactra ovata (Gray 1843) – which should be the actual article title. The authority is just as important a part of a taxonomic name as the genus and species, and we're talking about two different (but superficially similar) names for two very different and not-closely-related species – just look at the photos of them and you can see they're not the same. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 06:42, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, that clarifies things. So Paphies australis stays where it is; Mactra ovata moves to Cyclomactra ovata; I change the nice photo on Tū-irirangi for the accurate but dull drawing of an actual pipi, and I should fix the category "Category:Paphies australis" over on commons (which is how I got confused about all of this in the first place). I'll take your word that the two shells look different; I lack the expertise to know that the visual differences aren't the result of natural variation within a species. Thanks a lot for your patience with my plodding-ness on this matter. Furius (talk) 11:05, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries; this has prompted me to check iNaturalist and add some more openly-licensed phototos of pipi, so we have a better choice now. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 07:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That's splendid! Furius (talk) 21:38, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal