Talk:Harry Roberts (criminal)

message: Mostyly for WP:BLP concerns I think this article should be merged with Massacre of Braybrook Street. Does anyone object? SqueakBox 17:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would object. Roberts is as notable for his extended sentence and his place in popular culture Kernel Saunters 19:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Object as per Kernel Saunters.GiollaUidir 12:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: On the other hand, this article does not say when his trial started or finished and what the sentence was. Following on from the European Court of Human Rights decision on 17th January 2012 that the UK government can keep life prisoners in custody until they die with no hope of release (if they so decide), there will be some interest in Harry Roberts and his adventures.78.144.216.187 (talk) 13:38, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Irrlevant to Harry Roberts. The court case was only relating to prisonsers serving a whole life tariff who will not be released under any circumstances (apparently, if they are terminally ill with days to live they might get compassionate release but then again they might not), whereas Harry Roberts received a 30 year tariff in 1966 (possibly 1967, I'd need to check), meaning he was eligible to be released on licence after serving 30 years. 2 lines of K303 10:58, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be more helpful to explain that "a 30 year tariff" does not mean he was "eligible to be released on licence after serving 30 years". It meant that he could not be considered for parole for a minimum period of 30 years. It might sound like semantics, but the way I am reading your post, it implies that parole after 30 years is an automatic process46.7.85.68 (talk) 15:02, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: It is not a good idea to merge these two articles, unless you are going to merge Adolf Hitler and World War II.
Many people will have heard of Harry Roberts.  His record as a triple cop-killer make him unique as a mainstream (non-terrorist) criminal in the UK.  Fewer people will remember Braybrook Street or Shepherd's Bush in this context, and certainly would not think of looking for an article entitled "Massacre of Braybrook Street" in this context.  Roberts has been inside for more than forty years.  Again, many people will think that not unreasonable in the context of his crime.  Roberts is engaged in petitioning the courts for a release date under the Human Rights Act.  This in turn will lead users to look to this article for biographical details.  The facts about his career in prison are irrelevant to an article about the crime he has committed, they belong in a biographical article.
Against that, biographical details of Roberts are slim.  He committed his crime aged thirty, hid out for a few months, and has been in jail for forty years.  Prior to the crime, he had done little of note to appear in a biography.  He has done very little of note for forty years.  Some more detail about his earlier life is probably available, but it would need a lot of leg-work around newspaper cuttings libraries to find it, and many newspaper archives of this nature went in a skip years ago without digital copies being made.  Therefore a biographical article will never be large, but the Wikipedia guidelines should be sufficiently broad to take this paucity of information into account.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sweetalkinguy (talk • contribs). 
:On the other hand, this article does not say when his trial started or finished and what the sentence was. Following on from the European Court of Human Rights decision on 17th January 2012 that the UK government can keep life prisoners in custody until they die with no hope of release (if they so decide), there will be some interest in Harry Roberts and his adventures.78.144.216.187 (talk) 13:38, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Irrlevant to Harry Roberts. The court case was only relating to prisonsers serving a whole life tariff who will not be released under any circumstances (apparently, if they are terminally ill with days to live they might get compassionate release but then again they might not), whereas Harry Roberts received a 30 year tariff in 1966 (possibly 1967, I'd need to check), meaning he was eligible to be released on licence after serving 30 years. 2 lines of K303 10:58, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be more helpful to explain that "a 30 year tariff" does not mean he was "eligible to be released on licence after serving 30 years". It meant that he could not be considered for parole for a minimum period of 30 years. It might sound like semantics, but the way I am reading your post, it implies that parole after 30 years is an automatic process46.7.85.68 (talk) 15:02, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: The articles belong separately

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