Talk:Thirteenth Dynasty of Egypt

message: FYI, someone wrote an article Tutimaios and says he is a pharaoh of the 13th dynasty. I noticed he's not listed here, but I know next to nothing about ancient Egypt, so I can't correct anything. --Fang Aili 23:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: we still dont know wether to add it to middle kingdom or the second intermidiat period
Hemz27 16:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  thirteenth dynasty 

message: Hallo, there ist some discussion in Egyptology about the first king of the 13th Dynasty; and therefore some confusion here. Ryolt argues Sobekhotep II Sekhemre-Khutawy (who should be called Sobkehotep I, if he is right) was the first king. Other argue it was king Wegaf. Indeed, in the Turin Canon, Khutawy (=Wegaf) appears as first king of the dynasty and Ryholt argues that this was a mistake by the person, writing the papyrus. Dodson follows closely Ryholt. However, there are others who disagree and see indeed still Wegaf as the first king of the Dynasty (Franke, Grajetzki, Beckerath) and they do not see a mistake in the papyrus. From this follows: Sobekhotep I Khaankhre is only Sobekhotep I if Wegaf is the first king. If we agree that Sobkekhotep Sekhemre-Khutawy was the first one,  Sobekhotep I Khaankhre  will become Sobekhotep II and Sobkekhotep Sekhemre-Khutawy will become Sobkekhotep I. I am quite surprised how often Dodson is used on Wiki. It is a nice book, but not really a research book, not discussing problems in detail just presenting Dodson's view. best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 08:18, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the explanation. That probably should be included in the article? I don't have time right now to do it, maybe later. I use Dodson quite often as it is something people might reasonably have access to, but I agree that other publications provide much more detail. In this case Ryholt's book is something that should be referenced. When it comes to Dodson's book, one often has to follow the footnotes and the bibliography to get at the details. --AnnekeBart (talk) 14:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed that a little bit, fuller discussions are under the kings themselves. Dodson's book is very good to get a first idea, but most Wiki articles are already more detailed, so yes, the footnotes and further literature needs to be consultated (I have the impression you have access to JSTOR, I am right?? so it should be easier for you... I need to go to a library). bw -- Udimu (talk) 16:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  First King 

message: There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Tenth dynasty of Egypt - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RM bot 23:20, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: There might be a pharaoh before kay amenemhat(VII) called 'sebkay'. Shouldn't he be at least mentioned here? If someone lists him, I suggest in the 'comment' section to say "possibly two kings instead of one, filling an empty area in the Turin Canon (according to Ryholt)." Emmanuelbruh (talk) 22:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sebkay