Talk:Tyrone Power

message: I don't know that Tyrone Power at this point has any great-great grandchildren, so the line about these children living near Cincinnati was deleted.  If you have a valid reference for that, please give it.  He possibly could have greatgrandchildren by his daughter Romina, but her children are Italian born, and I don't know why they would relocate to Cincinnati.  His cousin Bob's wife Madge still lives in Cincinnati. Power does have relatives in Arizona. Please give clarification.Chandler75 00:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References Needed

message: "Tyrone Power Jr." is the wrong name to use for this actor.  Tyrone Power Jr. is his son.  RickK | Talk 03:29, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong name

message: Someone has added of mostly Irish descent, I have detailed ancestry information for Tyrone Power, only his great grandfather was born in Ireland, so he was only 1/8 Irish. He actually had more French ancestry. Arnie587 01:00, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The information written by Arnie is mostly incorrect. A DNA test of the paternal side of his family shows a lot of Irish, English, Scottish, and Italian. Chandler75 (talk) 21:44, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish descent

message: I do not believe the photo shown was taken in 1946; I think it was closer to 1956.  I have many photos of Tyrone Power; he was 32 in 1946 and this is a photo from a later time.
:it says c.1946 on the Canadian archives website here, but it could be wrong. If you think it is you could contact them to ask them to check it. Arniep 22:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: photo

message: I've updated the image description pages for each of the screenshots with information about copyright and fair use rationales.  I would like to include a screenshot from Witness for the Prosecution as it was his second last film, a notable success, and unusual in presenting him as a villain.  I think we may be close to have too many screenshots, and one more would push us over the edge, so to speak,  so I wondered if anyone would object if one of the existing screenshots was removed to make way for it.  I'm thinking that the Blood and Sand and Mark of Zorro images are similar in that they are both "costume" films so if one of them was removed we would not lose that particular "image" of Power.  Also the King of the Khyber Rifles is a nice, brooding shot but I don't know that it particularly adds to our understanding of his film career, so once again it could be the one to make way.  Any suggestions?  Rossrs 10:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have considered your thoughts about the screenshots on the Tyrone Power page.  I think that the idea of having a screenshot for his last film is an excellent idea; however, if we are to have one from the very last picture that was released, I believe that it would also be good to have a screenshot of the very first starring role, Lloyd's of London. That way, we have both ends of the spectrum.  To make room for these two additions, I suggest that we remove the King of the Khyber Rifles (because it is one of his less famous roles) and The Eddy Duchin Story (released just the year before Witness for the Prosecution).  The Mark of Zorro, is the only swashbuckler screenshot on the page, and Power is probably best remembered as a swashbuckler, so I would think that one should stay.  The Blood and Sand image is such a famous one, too --- seen over and over in the documentary 20th Century Fox - The First 50 Years.   I have taken some screenshots of both Lloyd's of London and Witness for the Prosecution, but I'm waiting for the go-ahead to upload these and put them on the page.  Please let me know your thoughts.  goldenerafn 23:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that sounds excellent and I agree with your reasoning on each point.  I like the idea of covering both ends of the spectrum.   I've also found what I think would be a good Witness for the Prosecution screenshot.  It's from near the end where he is in the dock waiting to hear the verdict, he has his mouth open in dread or anticipation, and his face is dotted with perspiration.  It's quite a dramatic closeup, certainly not a glamour shot, but he does look very striking, and I thought it would be suitable as an "actor" shot rather than a "movie star" shot.   Do you know the scene I'm referring to?   What part of the film did you take your screenshots from? Rossrs 01:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I took a screenshot from the most famous scene in Witness for the Prosecution --- the scene where he's on the witness stand (the middle part of the movie).  I think it's quite a good shot, and I could send to you.  I'm not sure which shot you're referring to --- Is there a way that I can see it? goldenerafn 02:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've uploaded the image here so you can see it.  If you could do the same we can decide between them, and then whichever one we don't use can be put onto images for deletion.  Rossrs 02:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if people claimed the Karsh photo made Power look bad, this one makes him look half dead! Arniep 02:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps that's what people will say.  It's a question of taste.  I think he looks ok.  But this one shows him acting - he can't be expected to look completely glamorous or at ease in the middle of a big dramatic scene.  He's playing a man in the dock waiting to hear whether or not he'll be executed - he's not expected to look "his best" although in a posed portrait by a notable photographer such as Karsh, it would be reasonable to expect him to look "his best".  I think that's the difference between the two images.  It's a suggestion only and I'll be the first to recommend its deletion if other people don't like it. Rossrs 02:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: We could use some pictures from http://www.tyrone-power.com/menu_photos.html or http://tyforum.bravepages.com/stls-h.html (the website owner's don't own the copyright for the screenshots). I would prefer we show him with other actors in a scene rather than just him. Arniep 02:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly, some of these would be suitable.  Not all of them are screenshots unfortunately - quite a few are promo shots so the copyright would belong to somebody and working out exactly who would not be so easy.  Great images, and very good websites, I must say.  I particularly like the one of him in the window with Madeleine Carroll in Lloyds of London but I've seen it before and it's definitely a promo shot rather than a screenshot.  I also like the idea of including other actors in the scene - I hadn't thought of it before but I guess it's good to show him interracting with other performers, so that's another plus for this particular image.  Maybe we should have a look at what we have to choose from and then decide.     Rossrs 02:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Promo shots are usually owned by the movie companies so its much of a muchness really. Arniep 03:07, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True. Rossrs 03:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Some of these are quite good. Arniep 03:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK I have uploaded this one :File:Tyrone Power Luck of Irish.jpg. Arniep 03:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's a very good image.  The main reason I was thinking of including a Witness image is because it was his last role, his was against his usual casting as the hero, it won him considerable critical acclaim, it's still highly regarded, and it's discussed in the article.  The Luck of the Irish is a very good image, but the film itself is not one of his most memorable nor is it discussed in the article.  I've uploaded a second Witness image here where he looking merely pensive, rather than "half dead" and although he's not interracting with other actors at least his is not the only face on the screen.  I'll come back later.  I have other things I need to do for now. Cheers Rossrs 03:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes that's better, he stills looks pretty ill though. Are you able to get a wider shot that replicates the first one on this page http://www.tyrone-power.com/photos_witness.html with Charles Laughton in frame? I'd like to keep the Irish pic as it is very good quality, if necessary I'll add some info on the movie. Arniep 03:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I wish I could see the photos you're speaking of, but I think I probably have seen them, and it's a great idea to have it represented as it was his last.  The Luck of the Irish is a very nice shot. A lot of people are very fond of that film. I'm sure something can be worked out.Chandler75 04:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, I just saw the Witness photo, the one with the sweat. Don't be angry - I kind of liked it, and I actually did think he looked ill in the movie. That's actually one of the better photos.  It's strange because after the movie, he actually looked much better - fine, in fact, so who knows what was going on.Chandler75 04:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's strange.  I've seen the film numerous times but it was only when I went through it trying to find screenshots that I discovered he does look ill and slightly bloated throughout the entire film.  I hadn't noticed it before.   In fact he looks very much like the Karsh photo except in black-and-white.  Also, interestingly, he seems to be wearing the same ring as in the Karsh photo and it's especially prominent in the court scene where he has his hands on the bench.  I'd say the Karsh was taken around the same time.  I wonder if it was to promote Witness.  Rossrs 06:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, Rossrs, I believe that ring was an heirloom - it is in photos going back to the '30s. Yes, it could have been taken around either The Sun Also Rises or Witness. After that, he grew a beard for a play, got married again, and kept the beard for Solomon and Sheba. By 1958 he was much more rested.Chandler75 01:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Better minds would know more about this, but I know in publishing the use of promo shots is a hot button issue with most authors, and most of them won't give the studios any money.  David Stenn (Harlow, Clara Bow) actually went to court and won.  The point was that the studios gave these photos out and begged people to use them, and they were told they can't just decide now that people have to pay for them.  Studios also lost a case in court regarding the use of trailers as film clips for the same reason - they were meant to publicize a film.  So a show like Mysteries & Scandals on E! Channel used trailers for film clips. But there may have been other cases.Chandler75 05:10, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's a sticky area and by that reasoning we should have no fear in using genuine promo shot.  Wikipedia's policies err on the side of caution, however, which I think is for the best.    I think the problem on Wikipedia is that a lot of people don't understand or distinguish between a genuine promo shot, made by the studio for wide distribution and a commissioned portrait where the copyright is owned by the photographer or his/her estate.  Also a lot of contributors here take the easy road and just call everything "promo" without checking further.   All the wonderful George Hurrell photographs for example are owned by his estate and as fine art fetch very high prices but from time to time they pop up on Wikipedia with a "promo photo" tag. Clearly they are not.  Same with the Kobal images. Rossrs 07:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  I just now uploaded a Witness for the Prosecution screenshot here.  As I mentioned, I thought that it would be a good idea, if we're having a last movie screenshot, to also have a screenshot from the first starring role. Click  here to see the Lloyd's of London screenshot that I have.  Whatever is the consensus is fine with me.  I would not, however, take images from another site without asking.  Just courtesy.  I think it's very nice to see people working together to come up with a good resolution. goldenerafn 05:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  I agree that The Luck of the Irish  is an excellent photo, from a very good light romantic comedy.  Not one of Tyrone Power's really big films, but I wouldn't see why it wouldn't be okay to include it on the page somewhere, if there is room for it.  Tyrone Power made several romantic comedies, and his earlier ones, especially with Loretta Young, were quite popular when they were released.  I still like the idea of having the first starring role and last movie up.  But, you know, The Luck of the Irish came along in 1948, so if we used it, instead of Blood and Sand, there would be the advantage of having a wider spread on the years. You would have Lloyd's of London (1936), Jesse James (1939), Mark of Zorro (1940), Luck of the Irish (1948), Witness for the Prosecution (1957).  You would also have a variety of types of movies --- drama, western, adventure (swashbuckler), comedy, mystery/ courtroom drama. And, you would have really big movies and one smaller movie.  goldenerafn 05:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Lloyds of London - I knew I'd previously seen the image on the page ArnieP found.  Sure enough, it's in a book I have called The Movie Makers, printed 1974.  The preface to the book makes it clear that images used are promotional photos and cites copyright status.    I've scanned it from the book, and have added it to the list of options. Rossrs 08:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with using the photos as listed by Rossrs, except I actually like the sweaty photo better than the "pensive" one from Witness.  I can't say that I find the one with sweat particularly flattering, but I don't  think that it shows him in a bad light.  It isn't a posed photo, but rather a capture of him acting out a scene.  goldenerafn 16:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with the close up is we don't get much impression of what is going on. I think it would be nice to have a wider shot with Charles Laughton in frame. Arniep 19:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll see what I can find. Rossrs 01:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well that was easier said than done.  Very hard to get a good shot where he either doesn't have his eyes closed, or is grimacing or standing with his back to the camera!!.  I could not find anything suitable in the courtroom scene other than the previous images.  In all of the longshots the focus is on Charles Laughton and Power is well in the background.  I also found a number of shots where he was smiling and charming - well I think that we've covered smiling and charming.  So, two shots to be considered MarleneDietrich, Power and CharlesLaughton in the empty courtroom and Charles Laughton and Henry Daniell interviewing Power at the jail.  Both are quite dramatic and I think either would be suitable.  cheers Rossrs 12:46, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Any would be fine.  I like the one at the jail - I had noticed that one before and thought it might work.  We'll see what the others think.Chandler75 15:19, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say I prefer the court shot with Dietrich- you can see more of Power's face and it has plenty of drama to it. Arniep 17:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  I prefer the one in the jail.  Just a question for Rossrs --- What type of equipment do you use to take such crisp screenshots?  Most screenshots that I see are not nearly that clear. goldenerafn 16:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You need software for your computer such as PowerDVD. Arniep 17:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The one I use is "Nero Showtime".   I think I prefer the courtroom one also - Power is the centre of the image while in the other one he's not the focal point.  I think it also nicely demonstrates the unlikeability of his character.  Dietrich is clasping him but his hands are firmly in his pockets and rather than look at her he's avoiding eye contact completely.  I think that's quite dramatic and more revealing of the character.  In the other one, it's a nice profile shot, but it's not greatly different to the Luck of the Irish shot.  Also, although I think it's a nice image of Henry Daniell in the jail, Dietrich is more a "star" for Power.  So it also demonstrates the calibre of co-stars he was playing with even at the end of his lengthy career. Rossrs 20:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  Of all the Witness for the Prosecution shots, the only one that I absolutely hate is the one with Marlene Dietrich.  I would go with any of the others, except that one.  goldenerafn 21:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It looks like Dietrich is holding up his dead body. Who knew there were so many bad pictures of such a handsome man. Just expressing my opinion, which I'm sure will be most unwelcome.Chandler75 23:14, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it as we don't want to show him smiling in every pic and I think it gives you more of an idea of the film than the others. Arniep 01:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, I think you've successfully avoided having him smiling in every picture.  There are eight photos of him on the page, and he is smiling in only one (Blood and Sand). goldenerafn 06:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's funny but the only one with him smiling is the Karsh photo, ironic eh? Arniep 14:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, for a man whose smile "would light up the darkest hour of the day, like a sunburst" (George Sander's comment), the Karsh photo doesn't exactly do his smile justice. So, sure, it's ironic.   For one of many examples of what Ty's smile really was, check out:  ttp://tyforum.bravepages.com/40G/40b.gif . goldenerafn 18:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: No, you're right, we want drama, not charm, and we want other people. If we have to live with it, there you go.  And I agree Witness should be in there. I guess you could say he looks unlikeable, as Rossrs suggests.  Dead, but unlikeable.Chandler75 02:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why we can't have a compromise.  This is the only one of the Witness photos that I totally dislike.  Seems that Chandler feels the same.  So why not just choose one of the others?  goldenerafn 04:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  Oh, I now see that Arniep just went ahead and switched the photo, with no further discussion.  I thought that we were going to try to come to some type of consensus before changing photos.  Guess not.  Not sure why I bother to voice an opinion, since it just gets mowed down.  goldenerafn 05:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. User:Chandler75 and User:Goldenerafn both feel very strongly against the courtroom image, and I completely respect that.  I prefer the courtroom image but not strongly, and if I didn't think the prison photo was a good one I would not have suggested it. I also think that Chandler and Goldenerafn feel more strongly against the courtroom image than either Arnie or myself feel in favour of the courtroom image.  So I think the prison photo is the one we should run with.  Arnie, I don't know whether you just have a little too much enthusiasm but I can really understand why people feel like their opinions aren't being taken seriously, when, in the middle of a discussion, you go ahead and make everyone's decision for them.  There was no consensus before, but I guess now there is.  I'm going to change the image, and the superfluous ones that I uploaded I am going to list on Wikipedia:Images for deletion. I hope that with all the progress we've made recently in cooperating and discussing and respecting each others viewpoints, that we are not about to take a backwards step.  Rossrs 08:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I have changed the images as per the discussion above, and have listed the images that I uploaded but that are not being used, on Wikipedia:Images for deletion.  Goldenerafn agreed and nobody objected.  I've moved the Karsh image slightly and made it marginally smaller so it's similar to the other images, and increased the size of the grave photo so it's basically the same size too. Rossrs 09:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually really really dislike the jail photo so I'll have a hunt for a better one that shows more of his face . Arniep 14:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  Rossrs, thanks for the image adjustments.  I think the page looks so much better with the changes that you made. goldenerafn 18:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:   Arniep, I think its nice of you to keep looking for a screenshot that would appeal to everyone.  But, if you do find another photo that you think is better, I would appreciate a chance to have a preview of it, along with discussion, before the one currently there is removed. goldenerafn 18:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Arnie you should have mentioned before that you dislike the image so much, so that we understand exactly what you're thinking.  Ideally we should be using an image that everyone is happy with, so although the majority are happy with the current image, by all means, let's see if there is something better.  I'd also appreciate the chance to see it before it becomes part of the article. Rossrs 20:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Marcus, please see the above section on this page regarding bisexuality - the response to you is up there, as this section is for the images.Chandler75 20:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The Karsh picture isn't going to be removed as it is free, so you might as well give up on that. Regarding the bisexual allegations, I originally tried to reduce them myself but other users added lengthy counter arguments making the section much more noticeable than it was before. Arniep 14:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale and choice of screenshot images

message: Concerning Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-03_Tyrone_Power: Do you require further mediation? Several people indicated further mediation might be necessary. --Fasten 12:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mediation

message: I have added some screenshots to the page to replace those that were removed.  I added
information about the respective films depicted by the screenshots, in a good faith effort to follow the rules for using screenshots.  I moved the Karsh image down the page and the John Brown's Body shot up, with text added to the opening paragraph to tie in the picture appropriately.  Both the Karsh image and the John Brown's Body are public domain, so either is eligible to be used as the top photo.  I have rearranged these two photos in accordance with the suggestions of the mediator.  I respectfully request that no changes be made to the photo without first discussing it on this page. goldenerafn 18:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with moving the Karsh pic, but I couldn't see the detail as it was so I've enlarged it a little. Arniep 18:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very informative page.Chandler75 21:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't be a lot bigger than the other photos accompanying the article.  It's easy to click on it and get it to a very large size if one wants to examine it more closely.  I've done that with several photos on Wikipedia.Chandler75 23:03, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm OK with that size but please don't reduce it any further. We should keep free images larger than any copyrighted images as this is a free encyclopedia. Arniep 00:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think I've any seen that written in any policy or guidelines, but if it is written anywhere I would like to see it.  I think the size of the images is ok and yes we can click on them to see the fullsize image if we wish. Rossrs 11:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Arniep, I've honestly been trying to abide by the Wikipedia rules.  I've searched and searched through the rules about sizing the images.  Please copy/paste the language here and where you got it so that I can understand the reason behind changing the screenshots to make them very hard to even see. I'm sure it must be in there somewhere, but I'd like to see the language for myself. goldenerafn 03:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the images are fine with regards to size.  As we've agreed we can click on the image to see the full sized one.  If we say this about the Karsh, we should also agree that it applies to the screenshots.  The screenshots are splendid and I think the page looks so much better.  I would suggest that they be assembled in chronological order. I can understand the swashbuckler image from Mark of Zorro is related to the last swashbuckler role but I think the image would be better further up.  I also think they should be alternated left/right - this is not Wikipedia policy, but it's a widely accepted style guideline, not mandatory, but I prefer it. I don't mind either way.  Could the images be moved up a little?  It may only be my browser but the Mark of Zorro overlaps 2 sections, as does the Karsh.  If they could be moved up by one paragraph they would be more contained within their sections, and (hopefully) will view neatly on all browsers.  Rossrs 11:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks good to me.  Thanks Rossrs 20:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks excellent. I like the idea of the text referring to the photos as Gmaxwell suggested, and I'm glad the mediator thought we could use all the photos.  Thank you, everyone, as I have no ability with photos and am not a page designer either.Chandler75 23:49, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks very much, Rossrs and Chandler.   Glad that you like the revisions.  I have designed web sites for about a decade now, but it is more challenging when there are so many fingers in the pie.  LOL goldenerafn 00:50, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Screenshots

message: Arniep, I noticed that you removed the "post death rumors" section.  Before you or anyone else puts back the version that was there or writes in another version, I request that you please discuss language to be used.  goldenerafn 03:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did it because I wanted to make clear that I never had any agenda which you obviously all thought I had. I think there is a case to be made that we shouldn't include information unless it is backed up by others, and I think neither Monkhouse or Mr. Blackwell's claims were verified by anyone else so we shouldn't include them. Arniep 00:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Arniep, I have never been so happy to be proved wrong about someone.  Thank you for supporting the removal of the section, since the rumors have been soundly disputed by some people who knew him. goldenerafn 02:04, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether or not anything is added to the page, I think that all the input has been most helpful in placing the photos, connecting the text, sizing the photos, etc. in accordance with policy. I am envious of all of your abilities and knowledge, because it's not easy to read through all of the rules and policies on this site. Anyone interested in contributing to Wikipedia could take a look at this article as an excellent example of a fully developed page, as the mediator Jere suggested it should be.Chandler75 03:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Article still looks great. There have been a couple of tweaks, etc. - nice page, very complete. Chandler75 02:25, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:   Putting the entire rumors section back into the article is a little more than a "tweak".  It would have been nice if OneFortyOne had discussed it before doing so, since the general agreement was that the section would either be removed entirely or decreased in size.  I don't believe it is necessary to include rumors to have a complete article, but some people make it their major focus for contributions to Wikipedia.  goldenerafn 20:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Post Death Rumors section 

message: What exactly was his ethnicity? I've removed all the extraneous categories (Irish-French) except for English, because his father was born in England. What was he "mostly"? Irish? JackO'Lantern 07:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have pretty detailed info on his ancestry as I am related. He was pretty much a mixture. He had quite a few bits of French ancestry probably amounting to 1/4 of the total. Only his great grandfather was actually Irish although he may have had an Irish ancestor further back in his French huguenot ancestors in Dublin. The rest was mostly British names. Arniep 11:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh ok, thank you. Then I guess he should probably just be under the English category, since it seems everything else is more distant. JackO'Lantern 15:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnicity

message: Which year of birth is correct?
1914 is the correct year.Chandler75 02:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1913 or 1914

message: I love the article on Tyrone power it makes us decendants proud.--Fairy.dust 03:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A credit to the Power family

message: I have seen a few messages with French ancestry creeping up time and again whats all this about. Its news to me I am related to the Powers through my great gran Mary Catherine Power and nothing was mentioned about the French can any one shed some light about this as I am trying to update family records. Also I believe that JackofOz is related how if you don't mind me asking how? Seems like theres family everywhere and no one knows they exist until you find them through chance like I did. --Fairy.dust 01:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure how you came to that conclusion about me, FD.  I have Irish roots to be sure (to be sure), but I'm not aware that I'm related to any Powers, and I've never made any such claims.  Cheers  JackofOz 02:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe Arniep, who has worked on this page, is a descendant, but I don't know how.  Also if you look at the imdb message board (imdb.com) on Power's page, there is a person on his message board who says she is related. As far as the French descendancy, I don't know, but his mother's maiden name was Reaume, and I believe that is French, so that would account for some of it.  Arnie says that most of Power's roots are French, so he would be a good one to contact.  It would be great to have some of it explained on the wiki page as well.Chandler75 14:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: So whats all this about the French connection

message: Several issues here, though I didn't put them in the article, but I wanted to bring them up.  
- According to the Gerald Clarke biography of Garland, she may have faked the pregnancy in order to force Power to make a decision.
- While Power was still married to Annabella, there was a pregnancy  documented: Lana Turner reports in her autobiography that she became pregnant and that Power would call in from his South American trip, and they had a code that would indicate whether or not she had had the abortion.  She finally did.  Before his marriage to Annabella, according to the Guiles autobiography of Power, verified by local residents (though not relevant to Wikipedia), while filming Jesse James, Power impregnated an extra, who gave the baby up for adoption.  When he found out, he spent a fortune trying to find the child but did not.
- Power had a relationship with Anita Ekberg (source: Investigation Hollywood by Fred Otash) and also an editor, Mary Roblee (sources: Linda by Linda Christian and A Farmhouse in Provence by Mary Roblee Henry), while married to Linda Christian.Chandler75 21:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Judy Garland, marital affairs

message: I went ahead and converted some inline references to reference tags.  Using them is pretty simple, all you need to do is use the following code in the text:
This is my reference.
It will automatically show up as a reference citation and footnote with forward and back links.  When citing from books, you can use the "cite book" template, which automatically formats the information in a standard form.  I've done so for just two examples, but it could be done for other inline citations.
Both of these techniques will help make clearer where information is coming from, and hopefully prevent disagreements regarding sourced statements. --JereKrischel 04:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: It seems like there's been some edit warring over the height value in the infobox.  Two notes - 1) the infobox doesn't even display height, so if you want this visible, you should move a reference to his height into a paragraph of text.  2) please cite references for his height.  If he was measured at 5'10" at death by a coroner, use:
5'10"Measurement by Coroner Mr. X, xx/xx/xxxx, page x
If he was measured at 6' upon enlistment, use:
6'Measurement recorded on enlistment application, Fort XXXX, Sgt. XXXX, xx/xx/xxxx
If there are competing claims to his height, simply give references to them, and let the reader decide which reference to believe. --JereKrischel 04:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: References have been given as "iMDB, official website, and several photographs", as well as "military sheet p.1".  IMDB doesn't have any height information i can find, and there is no indication what the "official website" for Tyrone Power is, nor which photographs could possibly prove his height.  Similarly, the military sheet being cited should be cited by date.  Please provide more specific references. --JereKrischel 02:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Jere, I will dig out the military info.  IMDb has his height listed on his biography page.  CMG claims to be his official website as they license his name and image.Chandler75
According to the TV Show "What's My Line", Episode 251,((http://www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/episode-251-95208/)) he was measured at exactly 6'0" airing 3/27/1955 on CBS. user: heacimm  —Preceding undated comment added 02:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

text: He was wearing shoes when that measurement was taken. (86.133.254.82 (talk) 18:15, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: height

message: His wife gave birth to his son, Tyrone Power IV, on 1959-01-22.
Wives and children
1) Annabella, married 1939-04-23 and divorced 1948-01-26
One daughter Anne Power (Annabella's daughter, adopted by Tyrone Power)
2)  Illegitimate son Kirk Van Allyn 1942-07-25. A Hollywood double-bind bachelor cash child.
3) Linda Christian, married 1949-01-27 and divorced 1956-08-07
Two daughters Romina Francesca Power, born 1951 and Taryn Power, born 1953
4) Deborah Ann Montgomery Minardos, married 1958-05-07
One son Tyrone William Power III, born 1959
I don't know which is correct, but there is an obvious conflict.
George O'Connor 08:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is his son: Tyrone Power III or Tyrone Power IV

message: I have restored the Lloyds of London image.   It was the subject of discussion regarding images, and the decision at the time was that it was useful in showing his first starring role.   The discussion still exists above.   I'm completely in favour of using free images where possible, and if this allows the deletion of unfree media, all the better, but I don't think this article needs 3 images from Alexander's Ragtime Band.     Perhaps all the unfree images should be removed from this article as there are now several free images that show what Power looked like and also shows him in some film roles.   Rossrs (talk) 14:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think a lot of these could be replaced by public domain images from trailers- do you have of the DVDs of these films that you could take screenshots from? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 14:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately I do not, but I'll see what I can find.  The only one I have is Witness for the Prosecution, but I don't think the trailer is included.  Rossrs (talk) 14:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Try looking in "extras" or "special features" as the trailer is often hidden in there. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 15:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lloyds of London image

message: Wikipedia has a list of WW2 Medal of Honor recipients: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Medal_of_Honor_recipients_for_World_War_II#P
Power is not on the list.
A google search for "tyrone power" with either "medal of honor" or "distinguished service cross" returns nothing of substance other than this article.
The reference, "Stars in the Corps" is searchable through google books and returns only one non-reference hit for Tyrone Power and it isn't that he won medals: http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=h__ResgZNz4C&oi=fnd&pg=PP11&dq=Wise,+James+E,+Jr.,+and+Rehill,+Anne+Collier.+Stars+in+the+Corps&ots=cAyEqVfrwR&sig=GhgKkhVNOIiL37LoSZL_MB9ty3Y#v=snippet&q=tyrone%20power&f=false 
Given all of this, I'm going to remove the reference until someone can come up with a correct source. Shane Lin (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct that he did not receive the Medal of Honor.  site lists all the Medal of Honor recipients for world war II with a last name starting with M through S. Also,  site also has tens of thousands of recipients of highest US military honors and doesn't show him either by first or last name of tyrone. Good call in my opinion.--Kumioko (talk) 01:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a great call.  I've been researching Power's life for decades and never heard any mention of him winning any medals for bravery--which makes sense, since he was never in any particular combat.  Anyone who's read one of the Power biographies would know that this is just the kind of nonsense that pops up with regularity on the internet these days.  To the best of my knowledge, Audie Murphy was the only actor who ever won the Medal of Honor. Monkeyzpop (talk) 06:13, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Marine Corps, he most certainly won medals.  See reference provided in article.Chandler75 (talk) 07:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Audie isn't the only one, but there were only a few. Powhatan Beaty was another example but he was more of a stage performer. Also, depending on how you define actor there was also Buffalo Bill. --Kumioko (talk) 11:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Medals

message: There is a note on this section that indicates that it should be made shorter and divided.  I have tackled it, and of course, I invite comment and improvement on what I've done. 
One reference I left out was in the book Evening Crowd at Kirmser's: A Gay Life In The 1940s: "Ricardo J. Brown confirms that he had heard in New York that there were "a lot of queer people in the theater and the movies, among them Tyrone Power and Tallulah Bankhead."  Well, he's repeating something he heard.  There is no verifiable source. There are a couple of books that seem to have repeated a rumor without calling it one and without providing a source. (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a more than reasonable edit, to me.  The section was bloated, and covered the topic in far more depth than necessary.  I agree that we have no business repeating rumours.  If it's to be reported, it only needs the strongest and most credible sources on either side.  I think though the "absolutely preposterous" phrase in the last paragraph is ill-placed.  It reads as Wikipedia commentary and implies a POV that is less than neutral and if that's the case it should be reworded.  If it's part of a quote, the quote should be rewritten to include the phrase.  Rossrs (talk) 13:26, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Rossrs, I got rid of it but I thought I was signed in and I wasn't.  Thanks for your comments as usual.Chandler75 (talk) 18:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-edit of "Post Death Rumors"

message: Was there a perfectly credible finding that the cause of death was a heart attack and not anything else? Given his condition and the circumstances, it would seem that he might be likely to have had an aortic dissection, which is easily mistaken for a heart attack.
Al B G (talk) 15:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the finding was that he had a heart attack.  Some time before, he was on his boat and put his hand around a chain; he then couldn't unwrap his hand to take it off the chain, which is the sign of a clot, associated with heart attack.  He also had arm pain which he said was bursitis.  In photos, he has those telltale neck veins as well.  Aortic dissection pain hits in the chest and radiates to the back. The pain is said to be excruciating; though Power was in pain, he was able to talk. He had his physical exam for the Marine Reserves a few months earlier and at the time, nothing was said about his blood pressure, another symptom of aortic dissection.  The doctors did find abnormalities in the EKG but did not re-test as they thought the machine was malfunctioning.Chandler75 (talk) 18:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heart attack? 

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thread_title: File:Tyrone Power 1946.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: Tyrone Power's murals by van Layden have a significant messages about his "Lost Son
thumbnail|inconvenient truths
 Heir"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.225.235.9 (talk) 04:34, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Van Layden murals 

message: The van Layden murals commisioned Tyrone and Annabella reveal secrets of his" lost son heir",
How come no one has noticed "the child has a pinus" so it can't  be Romina.
looking for a a higher resolution of this glass painted archive.
I call it the Double-Bind Bachelor Poster child of 42.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leucadianman (talk • contribs) 04:51, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Van Layden Murals 

message: The van Layden murals commisioned Tyrone and Annabella reveal secrets of his" lost son heir",
How come no one has noticed "the child has a penus"?
Its not Romina.
A higher resolution of this glass painted archive in this 6"X6" tile will reveal his sex.
I call it the Double-Bind Bachelor Poster child of 42.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leucadianman (talk • contribs) 04:57, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Van Layden Murals 

message: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/253609022739115714/
Tyrone Power and his then wife Annabella commissioned famous
artist's Karen and Errand Van Leyden, for a large glass mural.
 Later artworks were reprosesed and sold (July 52) a auction after a big controversy when 
Look Magizine Dec.2,1952
The artworks  reappeared at Tyrone's  50 year memorial  web site. 
I'm moved to put the  name it  the "Interabang⁉️"
It  is now reduced so not have the gender of Romina revealed. leucadianman (talk) 20:36, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Power's Glass Wall Mural Tells All" 

message: My decision to remove this section in its entirety deserves a brief explanation after another editor has objected to my earlier actions on 2 June, via email. For anyone interested, the deleted newsreels can be easily found in  the external link which I have added. 
The newsreels on the Associated Press (AP Archive) site could not be considered notable in themselves. For example, in the British Movietone newsreel in which Power receives the award for All About Eve, his brief speech thanks BAFTA on behalf of Twentieth Century Fox, "Mr Zanuck and Mr Mankiewicz", and that is it. As the Wikipedia article on notability, the policy on the inclusion of material is that third-party sources discuss it. This has not been included. The newsreel clips themselves are primary sources, and in Wikipedia terms do not therefore automatically merit being featured in the article. 
Finally, Wikipedia editors are advised to guard against turning articles into a link farm. Philip Cross (talk) 18:20, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't remember newsreels, and I would not have included them. A lot of actors have huge popular culture sections. I don't see why Tyrone Power can't have one. If James Dean's mention in the song Vogue can be mentioned in his section, I don't know why Tyrone's mention in My Baby Just Cares for Me, Hooray for Hollywood, Zip, Barbara Cartland's quote etc. can't be mentioned. Just saying.Chandler75 (talk) 23:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular culture section

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message: Can anyone confirm that Tyrone Power played the piano?  In The Eddy Duchin Story (1956) he does a perfect job of "faking" -- there are many continuous shots of his hands and face.  BMJ-pdx (talk) 09:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: He could perhaps play rudimentary piano but for The Eddy Duchin Story (1955) he worked on the fingerings until they were perfect. <Guiles, Fred Lawrence (1979). Fred Lawrence Guiles, Tyrone Power: The Last Idol (1979). USA: Doubleday and Company. ISBN 978-0385143837./>Chandler75 (talk) 06:04, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piano player? 

message: According to Bob Monkhouse's obituary from The Daily Telegraph in 2003, which in turn cites his 1994 autobiography "Crying With Laughter", Bob mentioned "repelling" Tyrone's advances. I don't know the validity of these claims but I thought it could be discussed?
"I used to chase women, but I had to work at it," he said. "I never had anyone throwing themselves at me." But, Monkhouse maintained, not all the chasing was on his side. As well as Howerd, he also found himself repelling advances from Tyrone Power.
---This has been brought up before. Tyrone Power was probably bisexual; whether he was attracted to Bob Monkhouse, who knows. Myself, I doubt it's true, but there's no way to know. For a man who was married three times, had affairs with Sonia Henie, Judy Garland, Lana Turner, Anita Ekberg, Mary Roblee, Mai Zetterling, and got a woman pregnant during the filming of Jesse James etc. he certainly got around.  Chandler75 (talk) 05:05, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyrone's bisexuality: Bob Monkhouse's obituary/claims of repelling his advances 

message: Why is there no mention of her fatal 1945 accident at Powers' home? With its attendant worldwide press coverage, I'd have thought it would rate as a pretty significant occurrence in his life.Vegan4Life (talk) 17:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primmie Rollo (Mrs. David Niven) accident?