Talk:Second Schweinfurt raid

message: This sounds more like a bedtime story than an encyclopedic article. I think it needs a thorough rewrite with proper sources. 84.56.146.148 22:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Qualit

message: "Bomber crews claimed to have shot down 138 German planes" Soemone put "(False)" after this. Do they mean no such claim was made, or that it was wrong, which is  in hte article? Rich   Farmbrough 14:33, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Claims

message: The damage to the bombers is attributed in part as being caused "(more by AA-guns than the Luftwaffe)".  It's important to note that the AA defenses in Germany at that point in the war manned by Luftwaffe ground units.  It is more correct to say the damage was done "more by AA-guns than by fighter aircraft".  I will make that change.
Sailboatd2 13:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  correction of misleading term 

message: The exact same picture is used for the first raid.Could someone look into it? --Sam 02:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: This section of the article seems to be concerned with an entirely different operation, a raid on Gdansk, Gdynia and Marienburg, not with the Second Schweinfurt raid! It should be reviewed.
--84.226.146.251 (talk) 12:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The section content was replaced wholesale sometime in 2011. I restored the previous text. —howcheng  {chat} 02:52, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results 

message: It is being claimed that the effects of this raid in 1943 caused the US Air Force to lose "air supremacy" over Germany for several months.  I would dispute the assertion that the US Air Force had achieved "air supremacy" over Germany prior to this raid.  Have a look at the definition of air supremacy.  For one side to have achieved "air supremacy",  the other side must be suppressed to the point of being ineffectual.  In 1943,  that was not the case. Tallewang (talk) 07:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It was. Cause and effect. Heavy losses, inability to sustain operations, failed strategy (thanks to flawed intelligence). Dapi89 (talk) 18:56, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Losing Air supremacy ? 

message: *US Fighter losses at Schweinfurt
*Luftwaffe losses at Schwienfurt
*Luftwaffe losses at Schweinfurt
*Luftwaffe Claims and losses at Schwienfurt  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.5.92.30 (talk) 12:32, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to US and German losses

message: According to Pierre Clostermann's own account of the operations this day (The Big Show, ISBN 978-1-4072-2200-4), RAF Spitfires flew escort missions alongside the Americans into Germany. Would someone with the required skills please add this information to the page and include the British/RAF to the table showing the belligerents. 94.196.110.244 (talk) 23:11, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air battle; RAF fighter participation 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There's an information box on the right of the article titled "Casualties and Losses"
For the Americans is notes that
1 P-47
3 P-47 fighters
were lost
Why is one P-47 differentiated from the other three ?
Montalban (talk) 13:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualties and Losses  

message: It currently says “ ~590 KIA, 43 WIA, 65 POWs.”
There is simply no way this is correct.  It seems to presume that airmen whose status was unconfirmed following the mission were confirmed KIA.  While the number of KIA is not small, hundreds of those were actually POWs.  
B-17 crash sites for this mission and the fate of their respective crews can be viewed at the link below.  While this link is not an academic source, it references each crew member and their specific fate, and references each Missing Air Crew Report for each aircraft. 
https://b17flyingfortress.de/en/datenbank/b-17-verluste-bei-schweinfurt-mission-am-14-10-1943/ 2600:1700:290:91B0:50A6:62DE:20F:BBAC (talk) 14:24, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of KIA listed likely incorrect; should be re-evaluated using more up-to-date data