Talk:Rainbow Gathering/Archive 1

message: They're hippies, right? So it's more a weed thing.
haha, it's not a party.  and they(we)'re not all hippies.  i mean, i've seen all kinds of kind people there.  lots and lots of people being people in the best sense.  the atmosphere kinda gets ya high even with out the green stuff.  lots of children as well.  you know what i'm saying?  its a gathering for peace, not a gathering for smoking pot and being crazy hippies.  its very spiritual, and alot of the world religions are represented there as well.
what it is supposed to be all over is about peace, not violence, or drugs or alcohol, these things are tolerated to a point, selling is also not allowed, but in the last five years this has not been the case, alcohol has moved into the gathering and is even sold in trading circle, along with powders and other things. to not know this is something i refrained myself from saying, but it happens now with more frequency, this year there was even a keg of molson beer brought to main circle. while there are alot of people who do go there for the spiritual thing, many do not, infact i would venture to say 58% go there for the party, not for the peace. plenty of good people inside the gathering , but also plenty of bad people too!    miketwofeathers@sbcglobal.net twofeathersTwofeathers 12:24, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Alcohol? 

message: I deleted what someone had added about 43 people dying from bad water in 1989.  I've attended gatherings for a number of years, and I had never heard about that.  No source was cited.  I've heard of some people getting sick from bad water, but not any deaths, much less 43 kids!  And the water sickness that I've heard about has always been from a lack of filtration, not from bad filters.  If someone's gonna add that back in, they should find a source.  43 people dying at such a high profile event would be well publicized.  Blackcats 08:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaths from bad water?... 

message: The section on the Hopi prophesy mentions Greenpeace and the Rainbow Warrior. The connection between greenpeace and the gathering (if there is one) needs clarification. As it is now, readers may assume there is an affiliation. Regardless of this issue,  The Hopi prophesy is clearly not just about the rainbow gathering so maybe it needs its own article. How about moving this section to Hopi Prophesy? Dev1n
:One problem is that we have no evidence that it is a Hopi prophesy. It is text from a book written by an Anglo publisher, who self-published his own account of things he might or might not have sourced from an individual Hopi, from an undefined group previously cited here as "the Hopi elders" or from his synthesis of conversations with people in the vicinity of Hopi. And as I explain below, another non-enrolled woman who claims Cherokee heritage says an unidentified Cree woman told her a story in almost exactly the same words. 
:Another problem is that the explanation of the origins of the myth among environmentalists was added to this article after a long period in which the article stated as fact that the Rainbow Gathering was fulfillment of a Hopi prophecy.  The legend of a Hopi prophecy has for decades been standard folklore among Rainbow people. That Greenpeace also applied the name to their battleship doesn't diminish the direct connection between the language included in this article of the supposed prophecy shared among Rainbow people and the known source in the Anglo text. Citations are offered from a published scholar studying Rainbow people connecting it to the Naturegraph book. Explanation of how the legend spread is all supported with reliable sources. I would concur with moving it, but not to an article titled anything Hopi -- maybe to Legend of a Rainbow Warrior. 
:"Yet another problem is that the Anglo publisher is not the only source who claims to know the origin of the allegedly native prophecy. An Oklahoma woman, Lelanie Fuller Stone, who represents herself as a non-enrolled Cherokee descendant claims an oddly similar sounding legend originates from Cree prophecies. She says a Cree woman, (her grandmother according to other sites that repeat the folklore) told her the legend: 
::There will come a time when the Earth grows sick and 
::when it does a tribe will gather from all the cultures 
::of the World who believe in deed and not words. 
::They will work to heal it...they will be known as the "Warriors of the Rainbow." 
:She is cited as a source of the legend on other Rainbow sites. . Beyond this reference to a legend that is definately Greenpeace folklore and is definately Rainbow Tribe folklore and is definately Naturegraph folklore and might be Hopi or Cree folklore, any other discussion of ostensible Hopi prophecies would best be placed under a title naming the authors who published the supposed prophecies. The book on the topic most widely cited among mystics like the Rainbows, albeit written under standards typical of 1963, is the Book of the Hopi by Frank Waters. But Waters does not refer to a Hopi Rainbow Warrior prophecy. Though his works are widely enjoyed, history has not always reflected well on Waters' scholarly aspirations. His books have been used in college classes but he is not a peer reviewed expert on Hopi lore. Of course, I'd like to offer more scholarly critiques of Waters - here is what I found in a quick search of the Web consistent with reading I have not kept records of over the years.. An article titled "Hopi prophecies", if ever Wikipedia deigned to know anything about that subject, would best be sourced on named Hopis from recent published literature, or on peer reviewed texts by reputable anthropologists. A start might be the Northern Arizona University Special Collections and Archives which has the papers of Oraibi Hopi White Bear Fredericks on which Waters based his book. But we will need to wait for somebody to do the research, because this isn't the place for original research, and an article sourced solely on Waters' research would best be titled as an article about Waters' research, not as about Hopi lore. SeeMoreTruth 10:05, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now created an article on the Legend of a Rainbow Warrior. Now that part of this article needs to be reduced to only as much as is relevent and this context, with a link to the new article. SeeMoreTruth 11:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate article?

message: Welcomehome is a notable and informative website. Please see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_paper#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox and Wikipedia:Notability. Clappingsimon 06:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoration of welcomehome external link 

message: Removed sections which are covered on Hopi prophecy page, and on the external links, on the grounds of relevance. Whether someone's father owns a pipe reputed to have belonged to a traditional person adds no weight to the legend. Cleaned up the links on the basis of relevance as they point to things not covered in the Rainbow Gathering article; they are all accessible from a link that remains Clappingsimon 10:58, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hopi prophecy & welcomehere links 

message: Removing cleanup tag. Grammar and spelling look okay. Clappingsimon 13:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: This section seems a little light on citations. The last paragraph, in particular. Note: I'm not trying to cause a fight here, just noting that it doesn't seem to be up to the level of citations that is the norm for Wikipedia. enordgren 06:54, 30 June 2006.
::I agree, it's not cited, though there are plenty of identical newspaper articles (mostly smaller local papers). First sentence fails NPOV, as there was no actual 'violence'. The newspaper reports were written from the Forest Service POV. None of the on-the-day newspaper reports mentioned a rock being thrown. The FS NIMT has a media site for RG's  but the 'incident' is not covered. However yesterday the USDA FS has declared fire restrictions for the area, which is very tactical. Guess the gathering needs a solid night of rain Clappingsimon 08:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relations with law enforcement 

message: Hi, I am not the official mediator but I will try to help.    --Ideogram 01:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation request 

message: Hello folks.  First, thanks for all your input and discussion in this mediation.  I unfortunately must close the case and declare it as unsuccessful.  The reason is that despite all of the conversation, we didn't really make any progress toward obtaining a consensus on the two main issues: whether the alternative gatherings belong here, and whether they are notable and verifiable.  We ran into several problems, not the least of which was the edit warring during the mediation.
I leave you with two final suggestions, which I strongly urge you to follow:
* Make sure anything you add to this article is notable by community consensus, and verifiable by providing a non-trivial citation.  See WP:V if you aren't sure what this means.
* Remember that this is an encyclopedia, not a battle ground for real world issues.
If there are further problems here, and I'm sure there will be, any of you can take additional steps including:
* Reporting editors that are in violation of the 3 revert rule.
* Filing a request for comment that will gain opinions from uninvolved editors.
* Filing a formal mediation case with the Mediation Committee, which is a step up from where this case was filed.
Good luck, and feel free to leave me a message on my Talk page, or send me an e-mail if any of you would like additional advice from me. --Aguerriero (talk) 04:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closing mediation 

message: * Due to Lookingheart's derailment of the mediation process and his continued vandalism of the list of gatherings, I have asked for that section of the page to be protected. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection  Bstone 01:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  request for protection 

message: Greetings, as I said I have moved forward with a request for arbitration of the desputes over the additions of AGOTT. You can view the request at the link and add your thoughts useing the link below. Sorry it took so long but I was quite busy and I'm not a geek. It takes a lot of figuring out to get these requests right. Oceankat 19:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have unprotected the article so we can evaluate what is happening now. Fred Bauder 09:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I brace myself for a return to the edit war. Bstone 13:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Several people are watching this article aside from the normal contributors at this point, so perhaps another edit war can be avoided.  I do think that this case is misinterpreted as a content dispute, however; it is really about the behavior of an editor. --Aguerriero (talk) 13:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Arbitration 

message: I added back some links for CALM and water that were removed by LH edit wars from around August 1st. I know these were LH removed since the history shows an edit to just remove these links. This makes me worried about what else may have gotten removed during this edit war.
The whole article needs major cleanup and work. I would like to do this as a group rather than one person hacking up the entry by themselves. This way we all agree. Who else is editing this page and are you interested in working together?  Hawker@ashevillecommunity.org --24.196.172.115 00:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep Clappingsimon talk 01:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree that this article needs at least some cleanup. For one example the link to a few people chatting about Grandfather David on a google newsgroup. Much as I find the stories about Grandfather David interesting and pertinent, a chat on agr isn't an appropiate link in an encyclopedia article. But after the last brouhaha I've been sitting back for a while to let things calm down. I see that others with greater experience have been makeing some much welcomed changes, welcomed at least by me. But I would be open to being involved in any discussions that might take place. Oceankat 13:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I cannot understand why LH would remove the CALM link. He has publically accused me of theft of donated money, so perhaps that explains it. Thank you, Hawker, for being so diligent. Bstone 06:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It seems we are all in agreement that this needs major cleanup. I  had hoped to work on this around now, with the help of others, unfortunatly my work requirements have prevented me from having time now. Perhaps I can pitch in this winter. For now I need to back off my offer - sorry. Hawker --24.196.172.115 14:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been going ahead and doing stuff. I am pretty non-attached to my edits and don't take offense at revisions and reversions; I'd rather Just Do It than spend a lot of time proposing my changes on this page. If anyone has any issues with the overall direction of my edits I'm happy to discuss. Charles T. Betz 01:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Back to Editing 

message: I have added a criticisms and difficulties section to start a little more balance in this article. My insights are based on personal attendance at national gatherings in Colorado, Missouri and Oregon. Charles T. Betz 03:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably original research. Fred Bauder 04:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty good, but no sources cited. Also, your reason for removing this edit is not adequate. It is a fair expression of the Utopian point of view, although also unsourced. Fred Bauder 04:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms and difficulties section 

message: I'm putting out the call to more experienced editors.  I've made a first pass on the article and marked it up, and even fixed some problem areas, but what this really needs is a more experienced outsider.  This article has been coopted by the group it describes and when I first found it read like a super activist brochure for the organization.  The POV still needs to be shifted towards the center line some, and the language and grammar needs serious work.  A lot of terms used in the article appear to be slang local to the group, and are both undefined and inappropriate for an encyclopedia.  This article needs to be brought in line with other high quality articles in this project, and watched to ensure it doesn't get nudged back into POV by the group.
Example, when I found the article several sections were (and still are) highly critical of law enforcement and government laws the group doesn't agree with.  The position shouldn't be that the gov't and laws are wrong, but that: A) The group has and is violating the law, B) The group is doing so in civil disobediance because they disagree with the law.
We shouldn't take the POV that the law is wrong or right, or that the Rainbow Gatherings are good or evil.  The facts are all we should care about, not the opinions on them. Urek 15:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The major challenge with this article is documentation. The People of the Rainbow book is an authoritative source. Other citeable sources are here:  http://welcomehome.org/rainbow/nfs-regs/fsregs.html and here: http://welcomehome.org/rainbow/sites/fsreports.html. If anyone knows of any other sources please post.   Charles T. Betz 23:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also it would be nice to have something other than Niman to rely on for sympathetic documentation. Consider this a call for pointers to newspaper & magazine articles, etc. Oftentimes local "feature" coverage can be sympathetic. Charles T. Betz 02:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Sympathetic" documentation?  Whatever happened to WP:NPOV? This article reads like an advertisement for the group, and should seriously be considered for deletion unless it can be brought up to standard. Raymond Arritt 22:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree with any ascertation that this article be considered for deletion. Clearly the updating and proper editing is taking place. Let's not go rushing to conclude deletion is the thing to do. Bstone 07:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's start a new NPOV thread. Charles T. Betz 03:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for Attention 

message: This is a spurious link at best, alcohol isn't linked to violence any more than psychadellics.  It's POV to attempt to link them even through the supposed A-Camp.  I'm going to look over the A-Camp figures to see what the supposed link is... Urek
:Not sure what the big deal is here. The dynamics around A-camp are well documented. It's not POV to document that according to a credible academic researcher's published ethnography, generally A-camp has reputation X based on events A, B, C, and D. The article at this point does not link alcohol as substance directly with violence. Do you have Niman? Suggest you acquire a copy so we are on the same page. Charles T. Betz 01:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcohol and Violence 

message: This section needs to go; it is unverifiable. I will delete it soon unless someone cites it. This is not saying that alternative gatherings do not exist, just that they are not notable enough for Wikipedia at this time. Charles T. Betz 12:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Lookingheart seems to have abandonded this section entirely and no other editors seem to desire to work on the section. It should go. Bstone 03:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's gone. I am not unaware of the debates between "mainstream" and "alternative" Rainbow but realistically folks, mainstream Rainbow is the alternative to the vast majority of readers, and going into alternatives to the alternative - especially when completely unsubstantiated by any citations - is simply not going to fly on Wikipedia. There are lots of other forums to pursue such agendas. Charles T. Betz 01:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative Rainbow Gatherings 

message: OK, I am obsessive compulsive. My wife has noted it as well, specifically with respect to this article. I have edited all sections and cited as best I could, pointing primarily to the Rainbow Guide and of course Niman. The citations are in two inconsistent formats and it might be good to have them consolidated, but I think I will leave that to someone else. The controversial nature of the material leads me to recommend frequent footnoting - other articles can get by with just references at the bottom, but probably not this one. I am surprised after reading this summer's correspondence that I was able to work on this in peace, and I hope that my contributions have been acceptable; I assume that the silence has been consent. One of these days I may make it "Home" again... sigh... Charles T. Betz 04:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last tag gone 

message: I've gotten some feedback that the situation around the Hopi legend is even more complex than stated. I also think it is somewhat non-notable and am tempted to just delete it. People can read various perspectives in Niman and at www.welcomehome.org. Anyone disagree? Charles T. Betz 02:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hopi legend (myth or fact) is a basic part of Rainbow. Most experienced Rainbow know of it, tho not of the controversy of it. I feel that it should remain part of this article as it is such a fundamental part of Rainbow Family. Bstone 08:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It occurred to me that describing Willoya and Brown's work as both an "evangelical book" and "a book with evangelical origins" (in the same sentence, no less) is redundant.  Unless someone has a strong sentimental attachment to that sentence, I'd like to reword it. - Mark Dixon 14:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I am sorry to remove the material below as I believe it is submitted in good faith. However, Rainbow Hawk needs to acquaint himself with Wikipedia guidelines for admissable evidence. Can you point to any published literature, ideally written either by an authorative Native American source or qualified ethnographer or anthropologist, to substantiate your claims? Your simply saying so, is not sufficient here. If you revert again you'll be in violation of the 3-revert rule. Charles T. Betz 01:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Hopi legend? 

message: You say oldest gathering was 1972, but Rainbow_family page says 1969.
Link first mention of shanti sena too, inside CALM paragraph.
--Jidanni 2006-12-28
oldest "rainbow" gathering was 1972 that is spoken of, and even that is a misnomer as they were not names rainbow gatherings at the time, per original invite. the name "Gathering Of The Tribes" was used for a very large happening in golden gate park, tho "Rainbow Gatherings" later might have had the name "gathering of the tribes" in them, does not mean it was assoiated with rainbow at all. if this was the case, the "gathering of the contact tribe" would also have to be cited with rainbow to be historicaly correct.
there is no written material before 1974 that speaks of such involvement at all.People of the Rainbow;
A Nomadic Utopia written in 1997 is suppsoed to be accurate, but written at such a late date would not be historically acurate, and actuaqlly has no real information per references assoiating rainbow with the gathering of the tribe in san fransisco.
i still find niman's book to be not historical on the fact he lists no reference to any other material to proove such claims either in the book on the original "Gathering of the Tribes in San Farnsisco".i would find the book, RAINBOW NATION WITHOUT BORDERS by Alberto Ruz Buenfil,  more significeint in what was happening earlier.
in all actuality vortex in oregon was the real begining for rainbow, this is where the people got together to start working on the gatherings, this is documented on welcomehome.org as well as written in a book by barry "where have all the flower children gone"          mike
:here's the thing. Niman is a qualified ethnographer. He took down "hipstories" and published them, and so we can use them here. If there are folks with more hipstories, they need to tell these stories to some neutral person, a reporter, anthropologist, or ethnographer, who need to publish them in some sort of journal or book that is intended for an audience broader than just Rainbow folks. Then the corrections or alternate versions will be admissable into the article. Charles T. Betz 00:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  69,72 

message: I see that an uncited reference to "alternative" Rainbow gatherings has returned. This caused major issues last year. I do not think these gatherings are notable, nor is this section cited. I have tagged it and will delete it presently, unless its presence can be justified under Wikipedia guidelines. Charles T. Betz 01:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have deleted this. Charles T. Betz 18:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you, Charles, for being to diligent in this. Administrator Fred Bauder stated on my Talk page, "If he starts edit warring again I will block him." He refers to Lookingheart. I have not yet checked who made these edits, but we should be aware that if it was Lookingheart then we may been to refer him to Fred for further action. Bstone 06:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we probably know the real life person. I probably was too bold in my pronouncements. Bottom line, though, there is no published reliable source. Additionally, AGOTT is not billed as a Rainbow gathering. When and if it becomes notable, it can have its own entry. Fred Bauder 19:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative Rainbow is back... 

message: I added a passage noting the existence of the book Judge Dave and the Rainbow People. While the existence of an ethnography like Niman is not particularly notable, the fact that a Reagan appointee wrote such a detailed and sympathetic account of his presiding over the Gathering court case, I think is notable in and of itself. It's a heck of a fun read, too. Charles T. Betz 02:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it. If it has a publisher, a year, and an ISBN, it can be cited here, generally speaking. I think I have contributed what I can. Charles T. Betz 00:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judge Dave! 

message: Greetings, currently the article is tagged to be merged into Rainbow Gathering article and I highly disagree that that would be appropriate or an improvement. While  the two are certainly intertwined I foresee a time when the gatherings might not occur but the "Family" still continues. In any case I think merging is a mistake.Benjiboi 03:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Don't Merge Into Rainbow Gathering 

message: The section about concensus process and council is inaccurate, as it gives two false impressions:
1. The councils that gives rules to the gatherings are open for everyone, and there is no group of people that are part of the council, and others are not.
2. Counsels are held in talking circles, though talking circles can happen without a reason for a council.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moddyfire (talk • contribs) 11:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talking Circle 

message: For many gatherers, the use of psychedelics is religious or spiritual in nature. This should be noted. Also, the blanket "drugs are used" implies that all drugs, such as hard drugs, such as amphetamines and opiates are just as common as marijuana and psychedelic mushrooms. This is not true. It has been my experience that drugs which are not remotely considered psychedelic, or at least visionary, are discouraged.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.119.62.12 (talk) 23:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drugs/Alcohol Section Denies Etheogenic, Spiritual and Religious Contexts 

message: Por favor, transmita, y después a publicar todas las personas y los sitios
SEGUNDA 
GLOBAL ARCO IRIS REUNION de las TRIBUS 
Noviembre 1 -30 2008 
Municipio DE LA PAZ, BAJA CALIFORNIA SUR 
MEXICO 
Correo electrónico: rainbow_gathering@yahoo.com 
(Desde la Antigüedad Native Peoples' Profecías) 
"Cuando la Madre Tierra está enferma y los animales que mueren allí vendrá una tribu de los Pueblos de todas las culturas que creen en hechos, no palabras, y se restaurará la Madre Tierra a su belleza antigua. 
Esta tribu se llamará, los guerreros del arco iris ".
Invitamos a todos los pueblos dedicados a la curación de la Madre Tierra y compartir la paz con todos los pueblos para asistir al Segundo Encuentro Mundial de Rainbow de las tribus en el Condado de La Paz, Baja California Sur, Mexico. 
Esta reunión gustaría pedir a todos aquellos que se viene, y que están involucrados en proyectos activos, para lograr crear exposiciones y talleres para compartir. Todos los proyectos de trabajo hacia los objetivos de lograr la paz mundial y la restauración de nuestro hogar planeta son más que bienvenidos a presentar sus visiones y las realidades que sus esfuerzos han logrado alcanzar. 
     Para obtener más información sobre Rainbow reuniones y cómo funcionan, por favor vaya a www.welcomehere.org y siga los enlaces a los diferentes aspectos. El Rainbow sección de la Guía es particularmente informativa. Todos somos voluntarios y todos los aspectos de las necesidades de este evento necesita ayuda. Esto incluye la recopilación de todos los preparativos y el trabajo en red, así como la elaboración de todas las formas de vida las necesidades de apoyo para la comunidad que se convierte en la Reunión a medida que evoluciona. 
     Actualmente, el sitio sugerencias están siendo recopiladas de todo el Municipio (Municipio) de La Paz y el Consejo General arco iris que se forma a través de los voluntarios sobre el terreno de esta región y más allá de elegir la mejor opción. Actual direcciones serán enviadas a cabo un mes antes de la reunión. Esta región tiene una gran red de grupos ecologistas y los proyectos que serán invitados a participar en la creación del evento, sin duda, un mayor número de proyectos de desove de que, como los consejos se refieren a las necesidades de la región. 
     Póngase en contacto con nosotros con su intención de venir, proyecto esfuerzos para ser compartidos, etc y que se añade a la primaria Gathering lista de correo. 
Rainbow Hawk: Focalizer
Please forward, post & publish to all appropriate people & sites 
SECOND
GLOBAL RAINBOW GATHERING OF THE TRIBES
Nov. 1st -30 2008
COUNTY OF LA PAZ, BAJA CALIFORNIA SUR
MEXICO
Email: rainbow_gathering@yahoo.com
(From Ancient Native Peoples’ Prophecies)
“When the Mother Earth is sick and the animals dying there will come a Tribe of Peoples from all Cultures who believe in deeds, not words, and they will restore the Mother Earth to her former beauty.
This Tribe will be called, The Warriors of the Rainbow.”
We invite all peoples dedicated toward the healing of the Mother Earth and sharing peace with all Peoples to attend the Second Global Rainbow Gathering of the Tribes in the County of La Paz, Baja California Sur, Mexico.
This Gathering would like to request to all those who will be coming, and who are involved in active projects, to bring exhibits and create workshops to share. All projects working towards the objectives of achieving world peace and the restoration of our home planet are more than welcomed to present your visions and the realities which your efforts have managed to achieve.
For more information on Rainbow Gatherings and how they work please go to www.welcomehere.org and follow the links to the various aspects. The Rainbow Guide section is particularly informative. We are all volunteers and all aspects of the needs of this event need assistance. This includes all Gathering preparations work & networking, as well as putting together all life support needs for the community which the Gathering becomes as it evolves.
Currently, site suggestions are being compiled from around the Municipio (County) of La Paz and the General Rainbow Council that forms via on site volunteers from this region and beyond will choose the best option. Actual directions will be sent out one month before the Gathering. This region has a fairly large network of ecological groups and projects which will all be invited to take part in the creation of the event, with no doubt more projects spawning out of that as councils relate the needs of the region.
Please contact us with your intent of coming, project efforts to be shared, etc. and to be added to the primary Gathering mailing list.
Rainbow Hawk: Focalizer  —Preceding unsigned comment added by RainbowHawk (talk • contribs) 20:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 Second Global Rainbow Gathering of the Tribes - La Paz, Baja California Sur, Mexico (Espanol & English) 

message: Thanks to everyone who puts information on this page. second time i had to correct the entries under the World Gatherings title. It seems there is a confusion to what this title is about. World Rainbow Gatherings are gatherings around the world which started by the consensus at the Haridwar (India) Kumbha Mela Gathering in 1998 and the first one was in Australia in 2000. The World Gathering traveled from there to Africa, South America, Central America, West Asia and SE Asia. Next stop will be New Zealand. So far there hasn't been World Rainbow Gatherings in Israel (1993???) or in Mexico, as was stated on the list.
We may make a separate list of all the regional and local gatherings such as Peacein the Middle East Gatherings, Africa gatherings, Black Current Gatherings (East Asia) etc. but let's not confuse one list with the other.
Much Metta
aykut  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icouldiwill (talk • contribs) 12:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Gatherings and Gatherings Around the World 

message: I propose merging Rainbow Family with Rainbow Gathering. There are no references in the Rainbow Family article that speak of it outside of the context of Gatherings.  Dlabtot (talk) 23:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to disagree with this. Sorry, Dlabtot! I respectfully disagree because the Family very much exists outside the Rainbow Gathering. As an example, the Rainbow Family were the primary folks behind the New Waveland Cafe & Clinic. There actually are a bunch of references there, mostly having to do with their disaster relief work, but the sources speak of both the Family and the Gathering. However the work done at the New Waveland Cafe & Clinic was not a Gathering, but was rather done by the Family. A bit confusing, sorry. Basket of Puppies 03:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, that's a story I enjoyed learning about.... do you know of any other similar references that could be used to improve the Rainbow Family article? Right now, there's not much there. I was gonna delete the 'Incidents' section because it just repeats what is here, and that doesn't really leave much except... Gatherings... so... Dlabtot (talk) 04:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am glad you liked it. I am trying to get it up to Good Article status. Needs some more expansion but I think it can happen. I will keep my eyes open for more references. Basket of Puppies 04:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I think the merger makes sense as the family and gathering are much the same, and the article is still small.  The family as I know it, is Woodstock-based, and makes the Woodstock Nation Camp.--John Bessa (talk) 19:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal