Talk:Jean Bastien-Thiry

message: "the last true patriot who attempted to eliminate President of France Charles de Gaulle" --> 'the last true patriot', isn't that endorsing his actions? 218.215.13.200 13:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: to Geo115fr : I'm not an anonymous poster like you : I'm Olivier Cazeaux, French graduate of the Institut d'Etudes Politiques de Paris where I especially learnt contemporary French History (professor Raoul Girardet and guest professor Stanley Hoffmann) and later I did my own investigation about Bastien-Thiry.
My words definitely not condone Bastien's responsibility since he claimed this one himself in his statement.  I only have provided details about the political context and about Bastien's exectution.  And I compared De Gaulle's clemency (as it was underlined at the time by many observers) towards SS generals Carl Oberg and Helmut Knochen with De Gaulle's outright refusal to give his pardon to an officer who has killed nobody (even if he tried).
My addition cannot be considered therefore as a distorsion of NPOV Wikipedia principle.
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Algeriatruth 
I cancelled NPOV statements inserted recently by anonymous posters (specifically 82.251.138.38 and 82.65.155.14) that essentially condone the assassination attemps by Bastien Thiry. 
--Geo115fr (talk) 14:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: * Lacouture, Jean.  De Gaulle: The Ruler 1945-1970.  Alan Sheridan, trans. New York: W.W. Norton, 1991.    pp. 324-9 
* décret n° 62-310 du 20 mars 1962 (March 20th 1962 decree): organization of April 8th 1962 Referendum about Algeria autodetermination ; it specifies that citizens living in Algeria won't take part the referendum (without explanation)
end of article. --Geo115fr 21:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References

message: About Bastien-Thiry and OAS
I've been studying this topic for 10 years, interviewing especially former leaders of OAS and many other people who knew Bastien-Thiry. 
You can look out my blog Algeriatruth ()where some details are given on the general Algeria background with an article dedicated to Bastien-Thiry's attempt.
This case is a vey complex one and the trial didn't close it (when a standart homicide investigation is lasting some four years in France, this large scale attempt case just needed three months before it was sent to the Court).
If you are interested, I can bring you further details but now just one side of the question:
Since June 62, OAS was replaced by the CNR (National Council of Resistance) headed by the one who
lead the WW2 CNR (French Underground Council) since 1943:  Georges Bidault former Prime Minister and
Social-Christian leader ; at his sides was another person who had a great part in the fight against the IIId Reich : Jacques Soustelle a worldwide renowned expert in ancient Central America civilizations and one of the closest De Gaulle's men since 1940 to 1960 (he headed the French secret services and after the war become the Gaullist party chairman.
Even if Bastien-Thiry asserted during the trial to have been hired by the CNR, it's certainly wrong.
I've spoken with two CNR heads still in life (one is now dead the other is living in California): Bastien-Thiry wasn't connected with them and hadn't therefore received any order from them.
There was another organization much more secret and much more able to put De Gaulle away.
This outfit is just noticed in some books through two names : CNR-I (for interieur, inside) and "le
Vieil Etat-Major" (Old Head-Quarter).  If some men of Bastien's unit were coming from OAS, they have been recruited as individuals and none of them knew anything about the organization.  They even ignore Bastien actual identity, a usual underground rule.  This organization is still a mystery at the time.
I've some clues that provide me some guesses but I need to go on my investigation.  One thing is definitely certain: Bastien never belonged to OAS and wasn't hired by it or by the CNR.  
The Petit-Clamart attempt was a military operation aimed to trigger a coup.  And many very high ranked people were involved, possibly the reason why forty five years later, we still ignore the truth.
Please be indulgent for my English.
Sincerely
Olivier Cazeaux
A notice in Le Monde stated that Mme Genevieve Jean Bastien-Thiry, widow of Colonel Jean Bastien-Thiry,  died on August 19, 1986.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.55.82.94 (talk) 03:30, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bastien-Thiry / OAS 

message: Though I do not know much about this topic, when reading it I noticed that there are some sentences that are awkwardly worded, in either a conversational, or informal style. There are some sentences that seem to push an agenda of some sort, and may not have an entirely centered POV. There is also a bit of an overuse of parentheses, as the information in them could be more fluidly integrated into the text. More citations and a review by someone fluent in English grammatical structure as well as extremely familiar with the topic would be constructive. 
"He had three daughters with her."
"...the eventual secession of Algeria. (This helped push Bastien-Thiry, who up until this time had been a Gaullist, into becoming an opponent.)"
"...which was probably supported..."
"...was Jean Bichon, arrested later..."
"...with saving his life —even though the shots had punctured two of the tires (armoured) the car was still able to escape at full speed."
"The execution took place only one week after the trial, which was unusual. Probably the biggest security plan in French judicial history was organized to take Bastien-Thiry from his cell to the place of his execution."
I apologize for not completing this work myself; I refrain from doing so only because I believe that someone more educated in this topic could do a far better job than I. This subject is one that is completely unfamiliar to me, as I just stumbled across this article and topic for the first time. Thank you for your work.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Italia.hill77 (talk • contribs) 03:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV / Awkward Phrasing 

message: Text says "de Gaulle stated his reasons for refusing to alter the sentence:", then a bulleted list follows, one item of which is "as it was much anticipated that while de Gaulle might have pardoned an assassin, he would not pardon an assassin who publicly mocked him".
Pure speculation and this is not a reason stated by de Gaulle.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AA1:1600:8E5:8C7A:C298:46A:AC2B (talk) 10:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation 

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message: Argoud was kidnapped in Germany on February 25, 1963. Bastien-Thiry’s trial for the plot started on January 28, 1963. 2600:6C54:7BF0:7530:DCB1:3EFE:71AB:C424 (talk) 06:12, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The arrest of Argoud and his subsequent interrogation could not have led to the arrest of Bastien-Thiry