Talk:Reggae/Archive 1

message: This article is heavily incomplete. It needs a good section of how reggae developed in the UK, where a lot of Jamaicans live. Especially because today, most of the (roots)reggae comes out of the UK, whereas in Jamaica it's more dancehall nowadays. I thinkyou can't just denie the part of reggae wich is the most alive. Arian.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.41.232.30 (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UK Reggae

message: Reggae Sunsplash has not been held for a few years now. The festival is defunct. It has been replaced by Reggae Sumfest, which is held in Montego Bay, Jamaica each year. The website is www.reggaesumfest.com
I think that it would be ok to include links to reggae concerts and festivals even if they do not have a stand-alone wikipedia article.  Including links to the websites of festivals doesn't seem like it would be harmful to the article and seems like it would help to increase the general knowledge of the subject.  --Migglesworth 21:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reggae Festivals 

message: Isn't it standard in reggae music to change "th" and "dh" sounds to "t" and "d"? I believe this is even used in rhymes sometimes.
:I wouldn't say it's a standard in reggae music, but it's a feature of Jamaican Creole. Teklund 13:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "th" and "dh" sounds 

message: What does "Ranking" mean, as in "Ranking Ann", or "Ranking Joe"?  Is it similar to "Ranks" as in "Shabba Ranks"?  It looks like a lot of performers/DJs, etc., used to call themselves "Ranking" something, then it stopped.  Any reason why?
:It's short for 'high ranking'. It has military connnotations and probably derives from street gangs and rudeboy culture where it would be used to describe criminals ' ie. 'ranking gunman'. Cheers illWill 10:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking? 

message: Suggestion. Add chapter about traditional skinheads and their favorite artists like Laurel Aitken, Desmond Dekker, Judge Dread, Symarip/Pyramids, The Pioneers, Dice The Boss etc. Describe skinhead reggae as another related genre like rocksteady.
Links to read: Trojan Records Symarip Reggae Ska MP3 samples -unsigned
*You'd have to do a lot of work to convincingly distinguish it as a different genre from ska. I've never seen a definition that achieves that.Spylab 16:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skinhead Reggae 

message: This did not fit in the edit summary, so I'm puting it here: Copyedits, wikilinks, removed external links to websites of a personal nature, non-english language websites, websites with no informative content or no information of general interest to the subject matter, and removed one POVish paragraph (the one about the king and prince of Reggae / Ezeu 19:58, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nov. 20 Edit

message: The article claims that no generic radio station plays reggae. This is clearly not true, as plenty of radio stations around the world often play reggae. Is this some US-centric thing? Zocky | picture popups 14:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generic radio stations 

message: Good day to all.  I believe that the section regarding the album cover art of Catch a Fire: "...was first issued primarily for its novelty. That the album cover was issued at all indicates some difference in society's views at the time, and such an album cover would never be issued by a major record label today." is nothing but the authors opinion and should be removed.  It's a Wikiworld out there.
So go edit. TV Genius 22:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Catch a fire

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thread_title:  GA Re-Review and In-line citations 

message: A shame that the only picture currently on this page is of a few cannabis leaves. Not wanting to underplay the significance of cannabis in reggae, but do we have no other pictures that could illustrate this piece. Unfortunately, none of my photos of gigs are good enough quality but does anyone else have any decent photos we could use? Or could we use a few fair use images (record sleeves, flyers, etc)? I'll have a look for some PD images. --Bwmodular 08:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

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thread_title:  Reasons for GA Delisting 

message: I have just added this section to give a more detailed view of the way the music is generally played. I have listed a lot of Bob Marley and the Wailers songs as examples because I feel that there is a good chance of these tracks being accessible to a large number of readers Shoebill 21:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Reggae Works

message: Recently the drums and percussion sections in "how reggae works" were merged under the single heading of "percussion. Technically of course drums are percussion, however, in reggae the drums and percussion are perceived and treated as quite separate entities. For example, I just had a quick look through my cds and all of the bands who have a separate drummer and percussionist list them separately under "drums" and "percussion". The albums I looked at were by Bob Marley and the Wailers, Steel Pulse, The mighty Diamonds, Mikey Dread and Third World. I can find no reggae album in my collection where the drummer and percussionist are both listed under "percussion". The point is that they have very different roles - the drums (meaning the drum kit) are central and essential to reggae while the other percussion instruments are peripheral, optional and mainly add colour. So, I have re-separated the drums and percussion in the article but taking the point that drums are technically percussion I have given the percussion the new heading of "Other Percussion".Shoebill 11:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: drums/percussion

message: I removed references to the piano in the keyboard section.  I realize that there are reggae songs with the piano and no keyboards but this is not common at all.  If anyone could eloquently add something to the keyboard page referencing the piano and it's displacement in reggae this would be much appreciated. --Migglesworth 22:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Keyboards

message: You might want to consider reframing the opening but that bald statement looked dreadful and completely unwikipedia-like, lowering the credibility of the article. So reframe the opening but dont revert to that ugly mess, SqueakBox 21:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, I changed the bit about reggae also talks about issues of love, sex and social issues because all these are also sung within the context of Rastafari, eg Ijahman, Lincoln Thonmpson etc, its not as if there is a strong boundary or any boundary between Rastafari and non Rastafari reggae, SqueakBox 22:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening

message: I see people make this mistake over and over again! For example, listen to Bob Marley & The Wailers' Waiting in Vain. There, Barrett, the drummer, counts to 3 with a short roll on 4. That is the tempo! The skanking sound of guitar/piano/organ is NOT on the 2nd and 4th beat of a measure! it is on the EIGHTH NOTES IN BETWEEN! Reggae is very slow and in the one drop rhythm it follows pop music by giving an accented rim click and bass drum on every 2nd and 4th beat.
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:I was sure you were wrong about that (having been a reggae drummer for about 25 years LOL!) but I looked through some sheet music and indeed, reggae is written, as you say, with the skanks on the 8th notes inbetween the 2 and 4. I think what we see here is the difference between how a piece of music is experienced when listening to it and how it is written down - people count it "wrongly" is because the natural way to count the music when listening to it or playing it is different to the best way to write it down. You say that reggae is very slow and technically I take your point but you don't experience it as slow - "Waiting in Vain" for example comes across as perky and up-tempo, not at all "slow". This is because those stabs on the 8ths are very percussive and compete with the drums to define the feel of the tempo - they basically make it sound and feel twice as fast as the sheet music might suggest. I do agree that the article should apply the written convention though as you suggested and the article needs a bit more of a re-write - I'll do that now.Shoebill 17:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: how to count Reggae?

message: Reggae, like all music genres, is primarily defined by the music style, and the lyrical content is secondary. A reggae song with nonsensical lyrics (or no lyrics at all) is still reggae, but a rock or hip hop song with lyrical themes similar to reggae doesn't suddenly become a reggae song if the musical style isn't reggae. Also, not all reggae songs have serious socio-policitical statements. Many reggae songs (from the beginning until now) are about non-political topics such as love, sex, partying, street life, personal bravado or violence. Spylab 18:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics and music

message: Perhaps rather than adding dancehall to the section title the section should be moved to Dancehall? SqueakBox 22:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This makes sense to me. While homophobia may or may not be present in the lyrics of some subset of Reggae artists, it is far from a prevalent or noteworthy theme. As Migglesworth notes, social justice, politics, religion, and African language (along while many others -- See Babylon) are certainly more significant and representative. As an analogy, there may be Rock songs with lyrics about drug use, but it is hardly representative of the genre. I personally don't have the knowledge to meaningfully revise this article, but I would be supportive of the re-focusing proposed by Migglesworth. --Cziltang Brone 21:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Homophobia

message: I don't understand why the Israelites (song) isn't mentioned in the article. It was the first international reggae hit song in 1969.--cda 14:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Israelites (song)]] 

message: The people on the Rolling Stones page came to the consensus that they were a reggae band, do you feel this was the wrong decision?Hoponpop69 00:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a misleading question? It doesn't list them as a reggae band. And it isn't listed as one of their 3 prime genres. It simply lists reggae as one of the styles that they play. And they have played reggae incorporated into their music for nearly 35 years. And they're actually quite good at it. Most people may not remember that in the early 70s when American rock radio first started playing reggae music of any kind, it wasn't by Marley or any other icons of the genre. The first reggae any of us heard was by Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones. 156.34.216.230 17:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That was an NA point of view. Kudos to UK radio for being so forward thinking. My shortwave was hit n miss back then so I didn't know the international perspective. 156.34.216.230 17:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That's a NA mainstream point of view.  A lot of the counter-culture (alternative, underground, pick-your-term) radio stations in the early days were playing reggae - no doubt influenced by what Peel was doing in the UK.  I heard reggae on CHOM-FM in Montreal (when they were still known as CKGM-FM) long before Clapton et al were playing it. Michael Daly 05:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why are the Rolling Stones listed as reggae

message: The correct usage is "Steel Pulse have..." not "Steel Pulse has..." This is because they are a group of people. For other examples see Wikipedia article on U2 (first line), Coldplay (last paragraph), Radiohead ("Roles" paragraph - first line) etc etc. For an external reference try the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20060309_U2.shtml Shoebill 16:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of the word "have"

message: This has just been added. I've done some basic cleanup and wikify, but I have no knowledge of reggae music, so anyone who knows about this band might want to pop by and add to the article. exolon 23:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Merger (band)]] 

message: I was somewhat disturbed, or confused, by what is stated on lyrics in reggae. In particular the following as quoted here: 
"topics of social activism include: black nationalism, anti-racism, misogyny, anti-colonialism, anti-capitalism, criticism of political systems, and criticism of the colonial education system".
Mostly correct to my experience, only one thing:
I hope that by "misogyny" is meant "anti-misogyny" (as in anti-racism in the same phrase), for misogyny means "hate of women" which is definitely NOT promoted or espoused in reggae lyrics, rather the contrary (Men Love Your Women - Ras Shiloh, Not The Way -Gregory Isaacs, to give only some examples).     
I assume that it's a mistake, and just a matter of formulation, for presenting misogyny as social activism makes, to say the least, not very much sense.
89.98.136.93 01:43, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrical themes: misogyny