Talk:Dale Bozzio

message: I have revised the June 3, 2012 edits made to Dale Bozzio's maiden name and her being referred to by her last name for the following reasons: 1. Dale Bozzio is not commonly known or referred to as Dale Frances Bozzio. 2. It may be standard practice to refer to an article subject by her last name; however, in this case, use of the last name can cause confusion when she and Terry Bozzio are discussed together. Also, Dale has referred to herself as "Dale" in her solo career. Reference the Riot in English album cover as an example. Doc2234 (talk) 00:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, somebody needs to change all the "Dale"s in the article to "Bozzio"s to conform to MOS. Any takers? Thanks, --Mollskman (talk) 13:17, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I added sourced information from three separate reliable sources, which Doc2234 removed, claiming the information was "unsourced", which is a blatant lie. He also removed changing "Dale"s to "Bozzio"s and other stylistic edits, such as overlinking. I look forward to Doc's response. 58.7.94.82 (talk) 05:34, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ironically, Doc also clumsily removed a citation needed tag from an unsourced statement. 58.7.94.82 (talk) 06:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: June 3, 2012 edits

message: I'm removing the entire animal hoarding section. It is highly, highly questionable that this event warrants inclusion in our article considering the requirements in WP:BLP, especially those concerning due weight and reliable sourcing. Even if all this stuff is true, it's not of the kind of scope that warrants inclusion (really, it's tabloid stuff). Moreover, the sourcing is piss-poor--one of the sources cited, True Crime Report, is clearly sub-par: note such gems in their article such as "He was later disbarred for talking bullshit beneath the American Bar Association's standards for talking out if your ass." You could try and make a case for inclusion at the BLP noticeboard, WP:BLPN, but as far as I'm concerned this is a violation of the BLP policy which needs clear consensus from uninvolved editors. If it's reinstated without such consensus I will protect the article. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:53, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: BLP and cats

message: I have added maintenance tags to this article. It contains a number of unverified, uncited claims, needs additional references, contains much detail about unnotable events (her solo career and her former employment as a Playboy bunny are undistinguished fluff). Indeed the only real claim to notability is that she once worked with Frank Zappa and was in a one-hit wonder band in the 1980s). I suspect much of the Zappa stuff may also be puffed up to make her appear more important than she was, and so that is somewhat dubious. The undue tag is also in relation to the discussion above, and can be removed if consensus determines the animal cruelty coverage should not be included, or if it is included. The Master (talk) 03:41, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Tag bombing. Sorry, The Master, but this is silly. The Bunny stuff appears to be well verified (unless you can prove otherwise, you have to accept the reference in good faith), and the Zappa section is far from fluffy: it's very, very short for a five-year tenure (if I read it correctly) with one of the most demanding and important US musicians of the twentieth century. And it seems to be properly verified. You can take issue with the "solo" part, but those statements are already tagged. I'm going to ask someone to have a look at the RfC, and in the meantime I am removing the tags: there's too many of them with too little validity. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

text: It's a BLP that contains unreferenced claims, so why was the BLP sources tag removed? The Master (talk) 01:47, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tags 

message: This article is basically a hagiography of a former singer in a one-hit-wonder band written by a bunch of guys who had crushes on her after seeing her in the "Words" video. The Master (talk) 03:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is a hagiography.  This article seems pretty reasonable at the moment, but if you have any specific concerns we can try to address them.  a13ean (talk) 00:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm glad you agree with my deletions of the unsourced claims. I concur that it is much better now. The Master (talk) 07:29, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Following up on this, I have removed this page from my watchlist. Do as you like with it. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 03:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. It is better, but no thanks to you. Drmies (talk) 04:53, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garbage 

message: "Bozzio stormed onto the scene with her unique vocalization and performance style that set her apart from most artists. She pioneered many of the performance traits seen as standards today in popular music. She created and refined her unique sense of fashion and poetry along the way."
This is clearly puffery and is not supported by any citations. "Stormed onto the scene", "unique vocalization", "set her apart" - these are not neutral descriptions. A singer's wikipedia page should not sound like it was written by her manager. Please don't continue to edit war over this, or I will escalate the matter. MaxBrowne (talk) 03:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to persistent disruptive editing by an IP editor I have requested semi-protection for the article. MaxBrowne (talk) 15:22, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  puffery 

message: a dance top 40 entry is not a HIT !
I removed it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:191:5FA0:4C50:38DB:A3A:BA14 (talk) 13:51, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The lead single "Simon Simon" was a Billboard top 40 Dance hit.<ref>http://musicvf.com/song.php?title=Simon+Simon+by+Dale&id=83482</ref> 

message: Has there been any change in consensus? It seems concerns were expressed about the quality of the sources when it came up earlier. But whey would they make something like this up? She hasn't sued them, has she? MaxBrowne2 (talk) 09:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources are fine and the last discussion was over a decade ago. Consensus can change and since we both seem to be in agreement I've re-added the paragraph. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 21:18, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cats again 

message: In a later concert, Dale Bozzio mentions a severe accident, falling out of a high window, waking up in a pool of blood, from which experience she wrote "Destination Unknown". I can't seem to find any mention of that in google News or archives. Thanks for any help finding a source confirming this or not. Lexein (talk) 02:27, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accident?