Talk:List of Nazi concentration camps

message: The numbers quoted in the list vary significantly from other numbers within wikipedia, esp. the Holocaust article. Maybe it is better to quote the full range of estimates and give a minimum and maximum total figure. --91.60.129.250 (talk) 15:15, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  number discrepancies 

message: Under responsible organizations, no mention is made of regular Wehrmacht (army) units. While the moomoo sinister units (SS, SA etc) were the most active, there were regular Werhmacht units that took part in mass killings
Historygypsy (talk) 22:44, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wehrmacht 

message: Drancy is listed here as an extermination camp, while the source cited says it was internment / transit camp. Also, here the number of prisoners is said to be 65000 out of which 63000 was executed. The cited source says the total number of prisoners was 70000 out of which 65000 was deported to Auschwitz-Birkenau and Sobibor, apparently still alive. Is there some other sources to verify the current information, or should it be changed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.108.7.104 (talk) 00:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drancy 

message: If you click the arrow to sort "number of deaths" (and presumably the other columns) by number, it sorts them strictly by number, not magnitude - e.g. 90 deaths ranks above 8, which ranks above 700,000. I don't know how to do it, but somebody needs to change it so that it takes account of the size of the number. Thanks Saccerzd (talk) 20:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with "Sort by high/low" number 

message: In the table, one of the headings is "estimated prisoners". What does this mean? I ask this because, for example, for Auschwitz, the number in this column (400,000) is less than the number in the next column (estimated deaths: 1-1.5 million). This doesn't seem to make sense if "estimated prisoners" means the estimated total number of people that were imprisoned there. Are the figures wrong? if not, and "estimated prisoners" means something else, this isn't clear and perhaps there should be a footnote to explain? Ondewelle (talk) 19:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The gas chambers were outside the camps. So, people who on arrival immediatley were sent to the gas chambers are in general not considered as prisoners of the concentration camp. Because the gas chambers were closely related to the concentration camps, these victims are considered as deaths of Auschwitz. Without this knowledge these numbers are indeed a little bit strange. Robvhoorn (talk) 21:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

text: This is not true. At least in Auschwitz I the incinerators are inside the fenced perimeter. Check the "Crematorium" part of the Interactive map of Auschwitz. astikain (talk) 16:20, 2 Feburary 2010 (UTC)
Could it also be taken to be the peak capacity of the camp at a given time? So, say, Camp X had 20,000 prisoners at any one time, but a total of 50,000 died there over 4 years. ? Saccerzd (talk) 20:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

text: No. It's the number of admissions i.e. how many people came in minus how many people left (alive obviously). This is a bit weird. The question remains: How can there be more deaths than prisoners? astikain (talk) 16:32, 2 Feburary 2010 (UTC)
 ur an idiot  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.45.164.21 (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: For future reference, tbrnews.org is not a reliable source: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_172#Gregory_Douglas_and_TBRNews.org. Location (talk) 19:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Estimated prisoners" 

message: The German Wikipedia has a substantial article about a concentration camp at Esterwegen, which does not appear on this list:  A2Kafir 04:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esterwegen 

message: I've brought the figure in the text in line with the number given in the sources, namely about 1,500 (not 15,000). Norvo (talk) 00:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's not what the source says. It says "It is estimated that the Nazis established 15,000 camps in the occupied countries." That seems a little vague to me - who estimated this? A more reliable source is the 1967 list by the German Ministry of Justice, http://bundesrecht.juris.de/begdv_6/anlage_6.html#Seitenanfang, which lists 1679 camps and subcamps apparently for Großdeutschland only. I'm not sure if that extrapolates to 15,000 for all occupied countries; that seems a little high to me. — Sebastian 02:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, counting these isn't as easy as I thought. Many entries just say "x see y". Discounting these, I got 1232, but there also seem to be a considerable number of double entries such as #1623 and #1624. I am therefore writing "about 1200". — Sebastian 06:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

text:  I'm striking my words "apparently for Großdeutschland only". While I'm not clear what the criteria were for the list, it clearly includes many entries from outside Großdeutschland. — Sebastian 07:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is indeed a considerable number of double entries in that list. Which is of course OK, as long as one doesn't sum them up indiscriminately. Quoting Peter Reif-Spirek & Bodo Ritscher, Gedenkstätte Buchenwald: "The commonly cited number of 1000 to 1200 sub-camps, which are said to have existed at the turn of the year 1944/45, is, however, a cumulative number, which does not account for the many Aussenlager which had been closed at the time." http://books.google.com/books?id=cs3onHL1qRoC&lpg=PA51&dq=1200%20aussenlager&hl=sv&pg=PA51#v=onepage&q&f=false Hexmaster (talk) 11:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

text: USHMM estimates that there were 44,000(!) concentration camps. see: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-camps 185.182.71.32 (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia defines most of these as other types of camps. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps note (a) 185.182.71.32 (talk) 17:20, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Following usage in reliable sources, this article is about the WVHA concentration camp system. Not all camps established by Nazi Germany or its allies. (t · c) buidhe 17:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of camps 

message: I archived all topics that seemed to be resolved to /archive. I also archived the several discussions about Jasenovac. Some of these are obsolete, since that camp is not in this list anymore. The main question, however, whether Jasenovac should appear in this list, comes up repeatedly and is therefore not resolved. However, I think we can add a reference and explanation in the lead, which I will do now, and where I will also take the above discussion about #Numbers into account. I hope that will solve the issue. — Sebastian 04:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: As I was working with the German Government list, I realized that there also had been juvenile concentration camps (:de:Jugendkonzentrationslager). We have articles on two of them, Moringen concentration camp and Uckermark concentration camp, but not on :de:Jugendverwahrlager Litzmannstadt. I was wondering if they should be included in this list. — Sebastian 07:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juvenile concentration camps 

message: The note at the top says that camps like Jasenovac are not included, and yet Jasenovac is included. What needs to be changed here?--Kotniski (talk) 16:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The current wording of the note seems to reflect a move of the page that was later rejected. I'll correct the note. More information in the archive of this page and in the article's page history.  Cs32en Talk to me  16:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Jasenovac

message: The list of about 1,200 camps was drawn up by the Federal German Ministry of Justice (not the Ministry of the Interior). I've also altered that sentence to indicate that the camps and subcamps in that list are actually named. 
As for the figure of 15,000 in the Jewishvirtuallibrary source, I really am left wondering whether there has been a misprint or whether it includes completely different kinds of camps in addition to concentration camps as ordinarily defined (that is, camps run by the SS and before 1935, by the SA). The difference between the two figures is staggering. The Jewishvirtuallibrary names only a relatively small number of the camps, and I really wonder how reliable the figure of 15,000 is. Norvo (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  1st sentence and overall number again 

message: Dear authors, read before you write.Xx236 (talk) 08:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: * Revision as of  00:39, 26 August 2010 by . Vandal warned. — Matalea (talk) 15:40, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auschwitz-Birkenau 6 000 prisoners? 

message: The list here states that Auschwitz-Birkenau was only an extermination camp. This is misleading because it original primary purpose was to be a forced labor camp. It was only post 1942 when Birkenau II had four largest gas chambers (before that Auschwitz I had a single converted air raid shelter) that it was also used as an extermination center. But it continued to operate as an arbietslager (hence the camp gate entrance). It is misleading to to just homogenise the title under one heading because it denigrates the history of  Auschwitz-Birkenau and that it was also the center of a huge Nazi network of sub camps operated under IG Faben. It was not just an extermination camp because it had a large inmate population (who died being marched away from the advancing Russians in Jan 1945). Extermination camps did not have large inmate numbers except a few dozen Sondercomandos. Not all those sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau were killed automatically on arrival such as camps like Treblinka, Sobibor or Belzec. But this list does not make that clear. Clarity is what helps explain the Holocaust.
It is also a fallacy because if Auschwitz-Birkenau is a death camp then all death camps must be like Auschwitz-Birkenau, which of course they were not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.5.223 (talk) 00:11, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I marked this up for discussion and in true Wikipedia style nothing happens. Typical. This is a talk about misleading information. I am not disputing that Auschwitz was not an extermination camp I disputing the use of the label to just call it only an extermination camp because it was also part of a massive network of forced labor arbeitslager. It therefore had a dual role so it's wrong to just blanket label things as it airbrushes history.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.57.33 (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing designation →Auschwitz-Birkenau 

message: Topovske Šupe in list. According to what I know, that was transit camp. I would add it, but I am not very experienced with tables.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:47, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  You should include 

message: Would it be possible to add a "population type" column (pows, jews, gypsys etc..) or were the populations in most of the camps mixed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.199.18 (talk) 17:38, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population type column 

message: Dear all,
The Citadel of Huy should probably be added here, but I'm not sure what it should exactly be termed as. Would "detainment camp" be the most appropriate term? Brigade Piron (talk) 14:56, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition 

message: Lichtenburg concentration camp needs to be added. Fatidiot1234 (talk) 19:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lichtenburg 

message: It's impossible to tell what the numbers in the table stand for...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.102.101.222 (talk) 08:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can somebody please add the column headings??? 

message: The list gives a total of 4 759 963 deaths in those 71 camps, i.e.  4.76 million.
When ranges were given, the average number was taken for summing up. --91.60.129.250 (talk) 12:24, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  adds up to  4 759 963  total deaths  

message: On Kaiserwald line there is a typo: (Me?aparks) instead of (Mežaparks). Carlotm (talk) 02:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo in table 

message: Apparently :de:KZ_Nohra was the first camp. Can that be confirmed? Agathoclea (talk) 16:42, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  KZ_Nohra 

message: It took me a long time to find this article due to the misleading in the title. The camps are commonly known as 'German' i.e. German concentration camps or German death camps. You may say 'German Nazi death camp' - but people associated the war with the Germany/Germans vs the Allies. Not Nazis vs Allies as there was no 'Naziland' at that time. Please correct it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.12.188.154 (talk) 08:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazis vs German 

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message: Alderney is one of the Crown dependencies, but these are not part of the United Kingdom.  Alderney is part of the Bailiwick of Guernsey. Noel S McFerran (talk) 16:14, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
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message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :List of Nazi camps. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 15#List of Nazi camps until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  (t · c) buidhe 12:20, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "List of Nazi camps" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: When I view the webpage in Safari on my iPhone, in the list of camps under the “main caps“ title, there are no spaces or punctuation marks between the names of the camps, so it’s all one big String of characters
The links work correctly – I think someone just needs to put in a semicolon in the space between each link / Camp name. Dgrrr (talk) 15:10, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Main camp” list of links needs punctuation/spaces in mobile version 

message: Romani people are not listed under the prisoners classification. It may be important to add them, especially since Romani are underrepresented in discussions of the Holocaust and Nazi concentration camps. Gordonap (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romani