Talk:Chauncey Billups

message: If we are going to be including this information as general style, we should use a template rather than a hand-coded table. I guess I'll try the WT:NBA page. — CharlotteWebb 00:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: It has been suggested that this list should be changed into a table format to meet Wikipedia's quality standards.

message: Why does it belong in the intro? The nickname isn't exactly what makes him notable. I think stuff like (a) he's a professional basketball player and (b) he's been an NBA Finals MVP are more notable than his nickname. It's not essential information that changes how people think about the subject in an earth-shattering way. --Mosmof (talk) 23:44, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was inclined to agree, but Google turned up several references to the nickname, for instance , and , in addition to that which was provided by Niccos. Famous athletes' well-known nicknames ,  are often included in the ledes. JNW (talk) 00:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Many people call him by that nickname, and it deserves to be in there. It's obviously not as notable as the finals MVP, but both can stay. He made his legacy by making a ton of big shots. He's not an incredible scorer, he's just incredibly clutch, and people should know that, and no better time than the first sentence. Niccos (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Really though? By putting it in the lead (first sentence no less!), you would be implicitly suggesting that above all else, the "Mr Big Shot" nickname is the reason for his notability. I'm pretty sure the nickname is the result of, and not the reason for, his notability. --Mosmof (talk) 01:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He is a big shot maker, and that is the best way to indicate that. Mr. Big Shot makes him notable because it is why he is famous. If he wasn't clutch, would he be considered a star player? I didn't think so. 168.229.26.15 (talk) 16:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, I don't follow you. --Mosmof (talk) 16:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Big shots made him who he is, so it should be the first thing someone sees after his name. What's so bad about it being there anyway? I just don't get it. Look around, you see nicknames on most of the professional athletes that have a nickname in the first sentence. Clearly, I'm not the only one that thinks this way. Niccos (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For example, check Charles Tillman, Jason Giambi, or Babe Ruth. There are many more. Niccos (talk) 00:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is generally not a good argument. Anyway, your other point, that his clutchiness demands mention in the opening sentence reads a lot like WP:POV and WP:SYNTH. But I wrote in more detail in the WP:Basketball thread that JNW started, so feel free to respond there, rather than just blind reverting. Mosmof (talk) 01:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, a nickname has nothing to do with his personal life. The only place the nickname really fits is the first paragraph. The nickname is widespread, and almost interchangeable with his name. And I don't get why you're so touchy on this. The edit doesn't ruin the article, and you are the only one with a gripe. Just let it go.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niccos (talk • contribs) 01:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I've asked for input at the NBA project page . Cheers, JNW (talk) 17:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

text: The nickname looks awkward in the first sentence, but I could live with mentioning it at the end of the lead. It's a fairly popular nickname. (Surprisingly, there are more google hits for "Chauncey Billups" + "Mr. Big Shot" than "Gary Payton" + "The Glove". That could be because Billups has spent more of his career in the Web 2.0 era, but it's still pretty interesting, I think.) Zagalejo^^^ 04:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'd be fine with the nickname at the end of the lead. It's not "Shaq" or "T-Mac", but it's certainly more widely known than "S.T.A.T" (like, who calls him that?) or Bubbachuck. I'd replace the source with something that describes its origins better, I think. --Mosmof (talk) 04:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
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