Talk:Amon Amarth

message: Seems like we're having member term history problems. So let's stop editing that section now and try to work this out the best we could. See Themgoroth's profile at metalstorm.ee; for Amon Amarth it says 1988-1991 and not 1992, therefore it is a contradiction. Also, here is Amon Amarth's page:  just for reference. Though I fear this might just be a mirror of wikipedia informaition. Can anything be found out there that remotely shows when they were a member? FireCrystal (talk) 23:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Member term history 

message: Amon Amarth is not viking metal, viking metal is a mix of viking themed folk metal and black metal, amon amarth is viking themed melodic death metal, so, they are not death metal, and just because a website says they are, that dosnt mean that they are, theres websites that say slayer is death metal, slayer isnt death metal, if you believed every single site and citedit on wikipedia, than the pages would be cluddered.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.10.54 (talk) 04:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:TRUTH Wilhelm Meis (☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 05:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Viking Metal 

message: Wondering this hasn't been asked so far, but anyway Nico's lastname in the musicbox is "Mehra". However across the discographies an former members the his name is "Kaukinen".
Can someone provide the correct surname (Kaukinen seems a valid lastname, Mehra is some middle name, nickname, etc?) - ideally with some reference.
Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.176.40.110 (talk) 17:50, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Mehra is a nickname, and I'm pretty sure Kaukinen is his actual last name.  More importantly to the encyclopedia, however, the Amon Amarth web site and allmusic.com (two reliable sources) agree that his name is Nico Kaukinen. Wilhelm Meis (☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 19:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nico's lastname 

message: Split  - Discography section is becoming long with respect to the remainder of the article and should be split.  Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:26, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Do it. 65.123.148.34 (talk) 21:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Reply  - I like to wait for the first and last day of one month to pass (in this case September 30, 2013) before I split out a discography, unless it is something that I inserted myself, in which case I will usually allow one week. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:47, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amon Amarth discography 

message: People keep adding viking metal to the genre section. I agree with them being Death Metal and Melodic Death Metal, but viking metal is a totally different genre related to black metal. Eg: bands like Bathory. Amon Amarth's music is nowhere near the style of Bathory or any other true viking metal band.Please provide proper sources. Even Johan Hegg mentioned in this article that they do not consider their music to be viking metal at all.Knightrider abhi (talk) 04:38, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Viking Metal??

message: As many have stated before, viking metal is a black metal subgenre. Amon Amarth are a death metal band. If you want to add viking metal, yo're going to need sources and consensus.BrainPower3 (talk) 19:37, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There are plenty of sources calling Amon Amarth Viking metal, and there aren't many (if any) sources other than the band itself which say that Amon Amarth isn't Viking metal - it's reaching a consensus here on Wikipedia the proves a problem.--¿3family6 contribs 20:41, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That my be right, but viking metal is considered a black metal subgenre. Amon Amarth is widely considered to be a death metal band by most sources. Death and black metal have very little to do with each other. Their lyrics do talk about Norse mythology, but viking metal is defined by musical style and not just lyrical themes. BrainPower3 (talk) 07:28, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That I know (I've been one of the major contributors to the Viking metal page here on Wikipedia). But concepts of genre, and which bands belong under a genre, often change, and Wikipedia should change to match what sources say.--¿3family6 contribs 14:17, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop adding Viking Metal

message: I recently restored "Viking metal" to the infobox, as that seems to be the consensus that emerged here. Another editor challenged this, and I regret to say that we got into an edit war. I've refrained from editing the page for now, and currently Viking metal is not listed in the infobox. However, I managed to find some sources that should definitively settle the issue once and for all.
In The Metal Void, a publication that came out of the Heavy Metal Fundamentalisms conference, there is an article, "Metal for Nordic Men: Amon Amarth’s Representations of Vikings," in which Florian Heesch clearly and in extensive detail describes Amon Amarth as Viking metal. On page 72 (87 in the PDF nav bar) he writes: "The Swedish band Bathory had a large impact on the spread of interest in Norse topics, starting with the album Blood Fire Death (1988). Bathory also used the appropriate Viking imagery. Musically, Bathory where influential on black metal as well as on death metal bands. While receptions of Norse myths where mostly important in black metal, especially the Norwegian black metal of the early 1990s, and the younger pagan metal, bands as the Swedish Unleashed made the topic fit into death metal before Amon Amarth appeared."
The article "Barbarians and Literature: Viking Metal and its Links to Old Norse Mythology" by Imke von Helden also clearly identifies Amon Amarth as Viking metal, and von Helden writes, in her opening paragraph, that "Viking metal is a comparatively young subgenre of heavy metal music. There are difficulties in defining it, because the definition - apart from certain elements like anthem-like choruses - is not based entirely on musical features and overlaps with other metal genres. The music derives from the also Scandinavian-coined genres of black and death metal.  It is furthermore closely linked to another subgenre called pagan metal, which deals mainly with Pagan religions and lies in a broader context where not only Old Norse mythology is dealt with, but also Celtic myths and history, fairy tales and other elements of folklore. Traditional instruments like the violin or flute are used more often in pagan than in Viking metal music." von Helden further writes, on page 258 (273 in the PDF navbar), "During the 1990s, Swedish Amon Amarth added a new dimension to the definition of viking metal by means of their death metal style of music." In a previous article, the paper she composed for her presentation at the Heavy Metal Fundamentalisms conference, von Helden writes "Though most Viking metal bands have a black metal background, Viking metal is defined by topics rather than music. That is why death metal bands like Amon Amarth and Unleashed are often included in the league of Viking metal bands." - Page 34, 45 in the PDF navbar.
Those three sources above (technically two - Heesch and von Helden) I think definitively settle the argument.--¿3family6 contribs 15:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It was both our faults for the edit war. I only changed the infobox to match the outcome of the above discussions, and in light of the new sources I provided immediately above. As it is challenged, I will refrain from reverting again. I have not moved the goal posts or committed a fallacy - I have provided sources that definitively speak on the matter. I have provided sources, the ball is now in your court to show source supporting your position. Please provide sources indicating the music genre's established definition.--¿3family6 contribs 15:47, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Thank you, Retrohead, for your input. The opening sentence description does right now mention that the band is melodic death metal.--¿3family6 contribs 04:18, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Sourcing Amon Amarth as having been described as Viking metal in reliable sources is trivial; it took me approximately 10 seconds to find this statement on Allmusic: "Melodic death metal legends who also rank as one of the most influential bands in the Viking metal movement." Note as always that individual editors' opinions about the source are irrelevant, provided it meets the WP:RS criteria, which Allmusic biographies (although not the sidebar) do. Another editor has also provided quite a number of sources that appear to pass the relevant criteria as well. Editor opinion about what constitutes "Viking metal" is meaningless; WP is concerned with verifiability, not "truth" (as things like music genre are intensely subjective). If the band has been described by reliable (for WP values of 'reliable', not 'agrees with editor X') sources as Viking metal (and they clearly have), the term should be included. Also, note to one of the editors above (they of the "you are an idiot" comment): read WP:CIVIL before you get blocked from the project. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 16:23, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Viking metal - again. Hopefully for the last time. 

message: Why the need to remove something that is undisputed? Everyone agrees that AA are objectively melodic death metal, whether they believe they are also Viking or not. Just because Viking Metal is a disputed and unstable tag doesnt mean you should remove MDM. The opening sentence even describes them as a 'melodic death metal band', having it in the infobox causes no harm.
Lets keep the controversial tags to the genre analysis in the article, but keep the undisputed, objective, absolute genres in the infobox, that way, both genres are recognized, and no one argues.  TenaciousDio (talk) 05:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing the field entirely is the best course unless a permanent consensus can be reached. The field has been removed before because of contention. If left in, some editors will continue to add Viking metal (I don't mean myself, but if you look in the history, anons have done so before) and others will continuously object. The opening sentence says the band is melo-death, so you still know what the band's primary classification is.--¿3family6 contribs 04:17, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Sure, I'm fine with that. I was just trying to find a compromise and avoid future contentions. It's not that big a deal either way.--¿3family6 contribs 15:22, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do not remove Melodic Death Metal 

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message: While doing research for an essay I came across an interview with Johann Hegg that I found rather interesting. It's a general interview but in it he mentions that he is actually an atheist. For him the source material that he pulls from at times (in the interview case he is referring to the Edda) is just something philosophically stimulating and interesting to think about. I'm not sure but I kind of feel like that's something that should be included in the bio of a "viking metal" band. I have included the exact bit from the interview I am refering to and a link to the entire thing. 
JH - Unfortunately, when I was a kid, they didn’t teach you almost anything about the Viking history and heritage. You didn’t get to read the Edda or the Younger Edda in school. You got to read a few stories just to know that “this is it.” It was just a very small thing, not a big historical thing. That’s how my interest started, reading that in school, and then I started looking into it. My sister was a lot into it, and she’s five years older than me. She, of course, inspired me a little bit, as well. When I was eleven or twelve, I borrowed the Younger Edda at the library in my hometown, a small village. I went to the library and borrowed it and read it, and I thought it was fantastic. When I got a bit older, I went for the Poetic Edda. There were these Danish comic books called Valhalla, which were describing some of these really cool old mythological stories, and I loved reading those. It was a lot of stuff like that, as well. 
http://www.norsemyth.org/2010/08/interview-with-johan-hegg-of-amon_12.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CorySelfInvictus (talk • contribs) 02:09, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does already have an fairly extensive quote from that same source, so I think more could be worked in. I wouldn't get too specific, though, as the article is about the band as a whole, not just Johann Hegg. Many, I would even venture to say most, pagan/Viking metal performers would have atheistic viewpoints, so it's that that unusual at all that Hegg's an atheist.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-viking Vikings 

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message: The opening paragraphs say they’ve made 11 studio albums, but The Greatest Heathen Army’s page says it’s their twelfth album. SswampyOasis (talk) 13:52, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We must have failed to update it regarding The Great Heathen Army's release. It is abundantly evident that the band has 12 full-length albums and not 11. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 21:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of studio albums