Talk:Lee Bowyer

message: Is this really neutral?  There seems to be a complete absence of a mention of his considerable footballing talent, and instead a raging focus on his misdemenours.  The final line certainly is 'wrong'.  Prior to leaving Newcastle (i.e. in the past season) his form was superb, and indeed he never really had a bad time of it whilst with any side - unless the side itself was doing badly.--Koncorde 10:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutral?

message: The prose says Newham, the infobox says Canning Town. Obviously the two places are close, but does anyone have a source for the exact town? The cats need to be changed accordingly. I'm taking the People from London category off, because whether he's from Canning Town or Newham, he is necessarily from London, no point in overcategorising. Jdcooper (talk) 01:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Canning Town is an area in the London Borough of Newham so both are correct. However, we should stick to one or the other for consistency of style, I think, and I'll make the small change. I agree with removing the people from London cat. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 09:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of birth 

message: Please see the Premier League website stats pages, at http://www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics/0,,12306,00.html, which lists Bowyer's yellow card count at 99. That figure is consistent with the references already in the article which give him 98 PL yellows at the end of 2010; the one received on 5 March was his first in 2011, see Soccerbase http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=870 . A piece on the Sports Illustrated website mentions the discrepancy, see http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_berlin/03/05/epl.notes/ . Given that reliable sources including the PL themselves suggest that he hasn't actually got 100 yellow cards yet, we shouldn't really be saying he has. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:17, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some research - it seems Bowyer DID receive his 100th booking in March, though one card was upgraded to a red. Therefore it's fine to say he received his 100th booking in March as this is notable though I don't think it should be in the lead.--Shakehandsman (talk) 21:53, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If the standard method of counting yellow cards is to discount matches where two bookings resulted in a player being sent off, then it's original research for us to count them differently. But that does seem a better explanation for why some media sources reported his booking in March as his 100th, so I've reformulated your research as an informative footnote. Thanks, Struway2 (talk) 10:18, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "100th" yellow card 

message: My edit, that was reverted without a clear rationale is definitely better. The previous lead mixed up the player's playing and managerial career whereas the new version puts the key facts together and sharpens the lead up. If there is an ongoing objection I should welcome the rationale. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 14:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's definitely not better.  Your changes have made the lead threadbare, when really it should be longer than it already was.  The lead should start with the subject's claim to notability, i.e. being a professional football manager and former player, and then go into more detail in the following paragraph(s). Mattythewhite (talk) 14:44, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly the phrase "Bowyer played for several English clubs including" needs to be changed since this implies that he played for other clubs than those listed whereas the list of clubs is comprehensive. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 15:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to lead