Talk:Liberty Korea Party

message: This is waaay too biased. 
--Kuanhui 14:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased 

message: Couldn't the name of this party also be translated as "Korean Nation"?  After all, "Han" in Korean commonly refers to Korean things (the native name of Korea, at least in South Korea, is Hanguk; in North Korea it is Chosun).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.171.227.114 (talk) 16:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what "grand" stands for; Hanguk is, in a theory, "Grand Nation." —jisok 04:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For future reference, the ambiguity is intentional, but "one" is the official reading rather than "Korean". --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 13:17, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another translation 

message: Are we going with red or blue for the party colour in info tables and the like? Red is given in this article and seems to be official but blue is being used in a lot of other places for continuity purposes --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 13:16, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sae-nuri Party was in succession to Han-nara Party. And logo color of Sae-nuri Party is Bule.  So, we are to use bule color in my opinion. --Idh0854 (talk) 07:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  In my view the dominant color is red. --RJFF (talk) 11:28, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Party colour

message: Due to the many issues with this page, I have decided to start rewriting the page comprehensively at User:Tyrannus Mundi/Saenuri Party, incorporating the useful aspects of the present content. If anyone objects to this please let me know. --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 22:56, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Page rewrite

message: What does Saenuri mean in English? Why is this party called by its Korean name when all other parties are called by their English names? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 04:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Saenuri means "new world", and their English name is New Frontier Party (NFP). PBJT (talk) 06:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of party

message: This was taken, somewhat ridiculously, to ANI before being discussed here. While I personally think "right-wing conservative" sounds ridiculous, I might be wrong.
Discuss.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of reliable sources said that Saenuri is a centre-right party. (including the report published by the House of Commons of the United Kingdom) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
--117.53.77.84 (talk) 14:25, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: And how does this relate to the problem I mentioned above? As far as I'm concerned it's an English problem "right-wing" and "conservative" mean pretty much the same thing, so using both sounds redundant. Does that mean I agree with you? Frankly I already know where you're coming from, and as whether "right-wing" should be added on top of "conservative", I think I agree. I'm more interested in seeing what is motivating User:Travelbybus. (I still suspect it to be nothing more than poor English -- someone who doesn't bother to look up "conservative" in the dictionary and doesn't know it to see, but knows "right-wing" might think that the version you and I prefer is censoring discussion of their political position.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

text: I'm Irish and I live in Japan, so comparisons to the GOP are not going to work: am I supposed to read your comparison like the mainstream in my home country would ("Saenuri are a far-right, conservative Christian, pro-war, pro-corporate party"), like liberal Americans would ("Saenuri are conservative") or like conservative Americans would ("Saenuri are not liberal")? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Saenuri is a conservative political party, but its policy (both social and economic) is different from the Republican Party. --117.53.77.84 (talk) 03:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  In Wikipedia, right-wing means that radical right party like the UKIP. Also, left-wing means that radical left party like Sinn Fein. Which uses the the term centre-right/left for mainstream right/left. --117.53.77.84 (talk) 03:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Saenuri a "conservative party" or a "right-wing conservative party"? 

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message: Liberty Korea Party. Do you really want to use this improper translation? I know that 자유한국당 literally means Liberty Korea Party but hey at least call it Free Korea Party or something. Oppashi (talk) 10:02, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Korea Freedom Party is used by some media. That makes more sense in English. But Liberty Korea is so dominant that it probably has to be that due to the common name rule.--Batmacumba (talk) 12:10, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New name 

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message: The mentions of racism, etc. and especially "pro-military dictatorship" seem to me to be given undue emphasis since the sources focus on individuals rather than the party as a whole. These should probably be moved into the body of the article. --Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 04:57, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue emphasis in lede 

message: I propose that the political position in the infobox be changed to state "Right-wing" instead of "Right-wing to far-right". Ezhao02 (talk) 01:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not fair to characterize sources as outdated just because they refer to the party's former name. A name change is not necessarily a change in ideology. Rather, all of these sources were published after the Bareun Party's split from the LKP; the split would have a much greater impact of ideology and political position, yet these sources continue to refer to the party as center-right. Ezhao02 (talk) 04:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

text: Let's take a look at the sources used to refer to the party as "far-right".
I know that some of the sources I provided to support a description of "center-right" are not the best, but the sources used to describe the party as "far-right" are not any better. I still view "Right-wing" as the best compromise between these positions. Perhaps we could list "Factions: Centre-right to far-right" under it. I hope that we can consider my suggestion. Ezhao02 (talk) 15:39, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

text: Ezhao02 (talk) 04:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

text: I think the party is clearly "far-right" about it. Sometimes there will be a handful of articles reporting "centre-right," but I don't think it reflects the Liberty Korea Party's actual policy. Because it is not a Western political party in the first place and because it was "centre-right" in the past, it is highly likely that he did not know it and called it that way. Therefore, I do not think 'far-right' should be removed from the document.--삭은사과 (talk) 04:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm discussing the use of ultraconservative to cite "far-right" right now. This is just factually incorrect. Ultraconservative could just mean right-wing in a context where the main conservative party is center-right. It could also mean far-right in other contexts.I agree with you that we should seek other users' input. In the meantime, would you be willing to look for recent sources describing the party as center-right (in any language) or for scholarly sources (not just news articles) describing the party as far-right? Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

text: At least there are a number of sources in South Korea calling the LKP "Far-right," but it is hard to find any source who calls it "Centre-right." The LKP is also denying that it is "Centre-right." The articles calling the LKP "Centre-right" are likely foreigners with low quality and who do not know that the party has become radical since 2017. That is why the LKP's political position is "Right-wing to far-right."--삭은사과 (talk) 22:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Recently, the main opposition Liberty Korea Party organized violent rallies at the National Assembly. This even led the DP/JP to file a complaint against the Liberty Korea Party.http://www.fnnews.com/news/201912171505485206http://www.polinews.co.kr/news/article.html?no=442624 Hong Joon-pyo, a former LKP leader is remarks "Trump, Xi Jinping, Abe and Putin are all far-right ultra-nationalists, so we need a right-wing ultra-nationalist Strongman leader." This is even recognized by the far-right journalist Chosun Ilbo.http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2017/03/15/2017031502755.html and There are a lot of Korean articles calling the current party leader 황교안 An "far-right"http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/hanitv/hanitv_general/919007.html. Not a few have spoken in support of the conversion therapy of homosexualityhttps://www.hankyung.com/society/article/2018092074301, Many major South Korean politicians also refer to the LKP as the extreme right. (Even members of the center-right Bareun Party have called the LKP the extreme right).https://news.joins.com/article/21741037https://www.nocutnews.co.kr/news/4733806http://www.jrnews.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=2130http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/politics/assembly/921739.htmlhttps://www.nocutnews.co.kr/news/5090796http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/politics/politics_general/921578.html Even 정두언 who even served as a lawmaker from the ruling Saenuri Party before changing his party name to the main opposition Liberty Korea Party, accused the LKP of being full of far-right forces.http://www.gobalnews.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=23728 the current leader of the party, is the extreme right. South Korea is a conservative country, but the LKP is never recognized as "centre-right" even among mainstream politicians in the public. The "centre-right" within the party has no leadership and is often moved or defected to another party. This party is now clearly in absolute control by the far right.--삭은사과 (talk) 23:56, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

text: what is your brief and neutral statement? At over 4,000 bytes, the statement above (from the  tag to the next timestamp) is far too long for  to handle, and so it is not being shown correctly at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law. The RfC will also not be publicised through WP:FRS until a shorter statement is provided. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did I do this correctly? Ezhao02 (talk) 01:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Comment – Even though Sputnik is not a reliable source, other sources continue to describe the party as center-right, as discussed above. Ezhao02 (talk) 15:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Political position

message: I propose changing the political position to say "Right-wing" as opposed to "Right-wing to far-right". The reasoning is that this party's political position ranges from center-right to far-right, and the label "right-wing" balances the different positions the best. It has been argued that the sources that label the party as center-rightThe Economist, print edition, April 11, 2008, South Korea's election: A narrow victory for the business-friendly centre-right , Accessed Oct 19, 2013. are generally older sources and are outdated, especially since a more moderate faction split from the party to form the Bareun Party, thus justifying the listing of "Center-right to right-wing" as a historical position. However, there are sources written after the split that characterize the party as center-right. Thus, this argument should be considered invalid, and "right-wing" is still the best way to balance the political positions of the various factions.
 Ezhao02 (talk) 18:35, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not fair to characterize sources as outdated just because they refer to the party's former name. A name change is not necessarily a change in ideology. Rather, all of these sources were published after the Bareun Party's split from the LKP; the split would have a much greater impact of ideology and political position, yet these sources continue to refer to the party as center-right. Ezhao02 (talk) 04:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

text: Let's take a look at the sources used to refer to the party as "far-right".
I know that some of the sources I provided to support a description of "center-right" are not the best, but the sources used to describe the party as "far-right" are not any better. I still view "Right-wing" as the best compromise between these positions. Perhaps we could list "Factions: Centre-right to far-right" under it. I hope that we can consider my suggestion. Ezhao02 (talk) 15:39, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

text: Ezhao02 (talk) 04:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

text: I think the party is clearly "far-right" about it. Sometimes there will be a handful of articles reporting "centre-right," but I don't think it reflects the Liberty Korea Party's actual policy. Because it is not a Western political party in the first place and because it was "centre-right" in the past, it is highly likely that he did not know it and called it that way. Therefore, I do not think 'far-right' should be removed from the document.--삭은사과 (talk) 04:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm discussing the use of ultraconservative to cite "far-right" right now. This is just factually incorrect. Ultraconservative could just mean right-wing in a context where the main conservative party is center-right. It could also mean far-right in other contexts.I agree with you that we should seek other users' input. In the meantime, would you be willing to look for recent sources describing the party as center-right (in any language) or for scholarly sources (not just news articles) describing the party as far-right? Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

text: At least there are a number of sources in South Korea calling the LKP "Far-right," but it is hard to find any source who calls it "Centre-right." The LKP is also denying that it is "Centre-right." The articles calling the LKP "Centre-right" are likely foreigners with low quality and who do not know that the party has become radical since 2017. That is why the LKP's political position is "Right-wing to far-right."--삭은사과 (talk) 22:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Recently, the main opposition Liberty Korea Party organized violent rallies at the National Assembly. This even led the DP/JP to file a complaint against the Liberty Korea Party.http://www.fnnews.com/news/201912171505485206http://www.polinews.co.kr/news/article.html?no=442624 Hong Joon-pyo, a former LKP leader is remarks "Trump, Xi Jinping, Abe and Putin are all far-right ultra-nationalists, so we need a right-wing ultra-nationalist Strongman leader." This is even recognized by the far-right journalist Chosun Ilbo.http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2017/03/15/2017031502755.html and There are a lot of Korean articles calling the current party leader 황교안 An "far-right"http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/hanitv/hanitv_general/919007.html. Not a few have spoken in support of the conversion therapy of homosexualityhttps://www.hankyung.com/society/article/2018092074301, Many major South Korean politicians also refer to the LKP as the extreme right. (Even members of the center-right Bareun Party have called the LKP the extreme right).https://news.joins.com/article/21741037https://www.nocutnews.co.kr/news/4733806http://www.jrnews.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=2130http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/politics/assembly/921739.htmlhttps://www.nocutnews.co.kr/news/5090796http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/politics/politics_general/921578.html Even 정두언 who even served as a lawmaker from the ruling Saenuri Party before changing his party name to the main opposition Liberty Korea Party, accused the LKP of being full of far-right forces.http://www.gobalnews.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=23728 the current leader of the party, is the extreme right. South Korea is a conservative country, but the LKP is never recognized as "centre-right" even among mainstream politicians in the public. The "centre-right" within the party has no leadership and is often moved or defected to another party. This party is now clearly in absolute control by the far right.--삭은사과 (talk) 23:56, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

text: what is your brief and neutral statement? At over 4,000 bytes, the statement above (from the  tag to the next timestamp) is far too long for  to handle, and so it is not being shown correctly at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law. The RfC will also not be publicised through WP:FRS until a shorter statement is provided. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did I do this correctly? Ezhao02 (talk) 01:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Oppose: As mentioned above, the LPK is also a party often considered 'far-right' by South Korean centre-right politicians. And there are similar cases in which the party was originally a center-right party but turned into a far-right party.(See also. Fidesz)--삭은사과 (talk) 10:55, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment – Even though Sputnik is not a reliable source, other sources continue to describe the party as center-right, as discussed above. Ezhao02 (talk) 15:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Responses

message: They are currently trying to change the party's name from the "자유한국당" to the "미래통합당".
Although they claim to be a three-party merger of "Onward for Future 4.0," "New Conservative Party" and "Liberty Korea Party," Officially it seems to be done by putting the Liberty Korea Party as its parent and merging the other two parties.--삭은사과 (talk) 09:24, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why don't you change the heading of the document to "Future Integration Party"? 

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message: So, I think it is that? There is a Faction Ideology on the Korean Wikipedia page, I wanted the Liberty Party Korea to add the Ideology of the factions (not Paleoconservatism or Neoconservatism), How like the Korean Wikipedia page. Rodionov Erel (talk) 17:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean wikipedia page ideology factions? 

message: In the link to the evidence that currently states that it is far-right, the statement that the 'Liberal Korea Party' is far-right does not clearly state or has incorrect (biased) evidence.
Also, I don't know why the accusations against certain politicians were written in the political position of the Liberty Korea Party.
For this reason, I am going to remove the far-right narrative. 1alskd1 (talk) 14:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  narrative related 

message: I think the parametre needs slimming down to:
*Conservatism (South Korean)
*Right-wing populism
The reason why I think populism should stay is because it is was fairly new for conservatism in South Korea, at the time, while the removed ideologies are a part of the conservatism movement in South Korea. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 20:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ideology" parametre