Talk:50 Cent/Archive 1

message: Substituted at 04:49, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: The introduction says " who rose to fame following the success of his 2003 debut album Get Rich or Die Tryin' which sold over 2 million copies in the first four days of its release."
Later in the article it says " In its first week of release, 50's major label debut "Get Rich Or Die Tryin'" sold 872,000 units..."
Which one is correct?
:No album has ever sold 2 million copies in four days, the latter is probably correct.--Fallout boy 20:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed record sales

message: You may hate 50 Cent with a passion, but when constructing an encyclopedia you can't go around adding hints of sarcasm to the text. Yeah, Interscope bragged about him being the "real deal" and he boasted about doing a "3 to 9" but what marketing person worth their salt hasn't talked up their product. Hell, 50's no different from the Bluesman Robert Johnson who went around bragging to everyone how he sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads. Little snide, side comments should be taken out. If I have time I'll start going through this. Richard Corey 18:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ignore Your Personal Feelings

message: I think we should leave in the reference to African American Vernacular English. It plays an important role in rap culture. AAVE is a genuine dialect of the English language, so there's no point trying to argue that it doesn't exist. In response to User:Hottentot, "AAVE" is not a "street" term, but technical terminology for the dialect prominent in US urban rap culture.
:No, you're wrong. It's just slang. --Hottentot
*I can assure you, Hottentot, it's not slang, it's pronunciation. The term "slang" refers to alternate words, like saying "gat" instead of "gun" (to borrow from urban slang), and not to pronunciation. "Fiddy" is not an alternate word, it is simply the way "fifty" is phonetically realised (pronounced) in AAVE. Furthermore, "slang" crosses borders between variations of English, but "Fiddy" is only ever used in AAVE. It needs a contextual reference. I don't want to blow my own trumpet, but I know what I'm talking about - I hold one of the UK's top qualifications in English Language. "Fiddy" is not slang, it is a way of pronouncing "fifty", and we should leave in the link to AAVE to provide context. Why is Hottentot getting so upset about providing context? Rusty2005 18:39, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: AAVE

message: Will people stop pointlessly vandalising this page? 50 Cent isn't to everyone's taste, but how would you like it if 50 Cent fans scrawled pointless, childish messages on the pages of artists who you like? If you don't like 50 Cent, then don't visit the page in the first place!
Rusty2005 00:19, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Quoting the second paragraph of the Disputes and controversy section:
:50 Cent also has rivalry with former allies Shyne, Jadakiss, Nas, and Fat Joe. He claimed that Nas had made disparaging comments about him and his G-Unit camp while performing at a New York concert. The rapper has denounced Nas as a traitor over the alleged signing to the Murder Inc. label. 50 Cent points out that Jadakiss and Fat Joe were notorious for allowing themselves to partner up with Ja Rule while filming a video in which the rapper took shots at him. He recorded the "Piggybank" attack directly at Jadakiss and Fat Joe for their association with Ja Rule. Also, jailed rapper Shyne was named as an enemy to 50 Cent. Shyne had Irv Gotti and Ja Rule produce his album, and 50 Cent decided to embarrass him also for association. 50 Cent has also had a long-standing dispute with former proteges Bang 'Em Smurf and Domination over internal conflicts.
Is this really worthy of encyclopedic inclusion?  Who cares? Neurophyre 05:52, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Noteworthiness

message: This page currently list two different years of birth (1975 and 1976). Since both can't be right, could someone knowledgable about this subject check the whole article for correctness. Maximus Rex 00:25, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.allmusic.com/ and http://www.imdb.com/ both say 1976.  Not only does the arrest record have a different year, it's completely unauthenticated - and the only Google hits are Wikipedia and its content clients.  In the absence of any provenance, it should probably be deleted. Salsa Shark 00:57, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB now says 1975. I've changed the article. -DDerby-(talk) 19:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  date of birth 

message: :::I work in law enforcement, so maybe me thinking it is easy to read is bias, but anyways to calculate how much time he served you take "Date Recieved", which is in this case "08/23/1994", then take "Latest Released Date/Type", which is "03/30/95", to the "PAROLE DIV OF PAROLEW" (aka he was released on parole), subtract the 2 dates, gives you 219 days, or about 7 months.  In regards to verifying the crime rate rising 170% I already stated where you can verify that it incorrect/false information, http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/pdf/chfdept/cs103pct.pdf.  That is coming from the NYPD directly.  Thank you. 24.191.99.157 23:01, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh also if you want to make your statement more accurate in the entry you should change "... served jail time."  He actually was in a shock incarceration program, which is a combination of drug rehab and boot camp.  To verify this first look at his record under "Housing/Releasing Facility" which says "MONTEREY", then go to http://www.docs.state.ny.us/faclist.html and scroll down to Monterey and you will see its listed as a "Shock Incarceration Corr. Fac."  Thank you. 24.191.99.157 23:15, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  more detail 

message: This article is full of weasel words, weasel phrases, POV, etc.  I cleaned up a bit (the first half of the article or so), but it really needs a thorough going-through.  The tone of it is a bit chatty as well.  CryptoDerk 20:49, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. I'd like to go through and fix a lot more of this article but some parts of it are hopelessly out of date while others are likely to be soon. Some phrases like "having beef" seem overly conversational and would also be unfamiliar to people living outside the US. Also, the info about his lyrics being banned from an advert in the UK is uncited, and I (a UK resident) have never heard of it. That's not to say that it's false, but it would be nice to confirm it if it's true. Agentsoo 01:34, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ugh... needs some work

message: I think that the "vernacular english" reference needs to be removed. It sounds silly, hurts Wikipedia's credibility, and just isn't true. It's just slang. Simple.
:I agree. To the people that keep on adding the reference please stop. It just sounds ridiculously stupid. --Hottentot
Well I disagree - African American Vernacular English is a legitimate dialect and is included here to provide a context for the realisation of <fifty> as <fiddy>. It's not harming the page to add in four words is it? It's only helping to establish context. Why is User:Hottentot getting so upset about using the phrase? It's technical terminology. Are we to remove all technical terminology from Wikipedia? Of course not! And don't tell me not to edit the page. Rusty2005 18:22, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vernacular English 

message: What are you basing this information on? Is it just because of the "kissing the girl" lyrics? Are we sure that isn't just a slang term in reference to heroine use?
no, she was bisexual. 50 Cent has admitted this himself in numerous interviews. Richard Corey 18:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  His mom was bisexual? 

message: Thank you, whoever fixed that vadalism about 50 being dead. That was a rude bit of stupidity. Lord Sephiroth02:14, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Is there any reason why someone keeps reverting the discography from the Wiki-formatted one to a poorly formatted and hard to read version with pictures and excess information. The breakdowns on how much an album sold in each individual country can go in that album's own article; keep the discography easy to read and clear. --FuriousFreddy 18:27, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography

message: What does "whom Jackson labeled a "snitch" and "traitor"" mean in the rap industry? Maybe a snitch requires its own page? Who cares? Alpine 20:20, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputes and Controversy

message: What are those things that are flying at him in the photo of him at a book festival?--60.226.28.162 08:37, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Book Festival

message: The discography needs to be changed ot the standard encyclopedia format. Discuss and showcase images of alternate covers in the actual album article. We cannot use such a discography, because it will become unmanagable for artists with more than about seven albums, and "only doing it for some and not others" is special treatment, and, therefore, does not exemplify a neutral point of view. --FuriousFreddy 02:50, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography. 

message: The web site "http://www.the-real-story.com/" has copied the complete text of the Wikipedia articles Chicken Little and 50 Cent and has placed its own copyright notice places on the articles. There is no email address listed on the site, but a whois on the domain turns up "IQ-TESTING-ONLINE.COM@domainsbyproxy.com" as the administrative contact. I will send a Standard GFDL violation letter there. - Brian Kendig 16:27, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright violation

message: No mention about the possible falsity of the common "shot nine times" story? See http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/56 for an original source on the shooting. Shot at nine times, hit three times. I'm no Fiddy expert, but some googling suggests that this is yet another apocryphal "street cred" story. Staecker 02:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  nine times 

message: Can someone tell me why does the May 20, 2000 shooting section have to be like that? Can it be modified to an appropiate title or something merged into the biography section. I do respect the person who insert the piece but the title has to be more than just a date!  LILVOKA.
:(moved to bottom- new stuff goes at bottom) You're welcome to modify the subsection name if you like- I personally think it does deserve its own heading, since that one event is cited so often in popular discussion about 50. So I'd be against a total merge into the bio section. But that's just my opinion. Staecker 00:40, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Before I Get to Editing

message: [personal attack removed]
: This isn't a message board. Please, sign your posts.ShotokanTuning 22:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Losers, the lot of them

message: Okay, I understand most people only care about music once it hits the radio, but we DO know that 50 Cent completed 2 whole albums before he was picked up by Shady/Aftermath, right?
I think "Power of a Dollar" and "Guess Who's Back" should be added to his discography. If not "Power of a Dollar" (okay, it wasn't released), then at least "Guess Who's Back."Richard Corey 18:44, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: GRODT vs. Power of a Dollar

message: As somebody mostly unfamiliar with "the scene" in general, and Mr. Jackson particularly, the section about "The Original 50 Cent" is confusing and unclear.  Is it even relevant to the article?  Is it verifiable, much less verified?  In any case, if it's necessary to mention the death of The Original, it should be done a little more formally than saying his sheistiness got him killed.  And the bit about his family still being alive, and not respecting Curtis Jackson, that shouldn't be in there.  I'd edit it myself, but being unfamiliar with the actual story, I'm afraid I'd misrepresent it.  --ParkerHiggins 10:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Original?

message: I removed this line: "50 had once worked with McGriff and the Supreme Team and they were not pleased about him leaving the business." I am more than sure 50 Cent had no direct dealing with the Supreme Team. In fact, in the book "Queens Reigns Supreme : Fat Cat, 50 Cent, and the Rise of the Hip Hop Hustler" I believe it is mentioned that the two never met outside of casual glances. Richard Corey 18:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean Up