Talk:Arzawa

message: There are plenty of Hittite dictionaries and Lexicons online,
I'd like to request someone add an etymology for Apasa after adding
some of the sources that have researched the name, as Apasa and the 
later Greek word for the city seem closely related.
Hittite Etymological Dictionary Jaan Puhvel 1984 has  
appa- as uniformly related to "after" in a temporal sense',
but Greek authors sometimes take it related to Ephor like
Sparton's overseers.  
As this is a harbor town, "looking after" may make more sense
then "over seeing" and "see-er you see in landlocked capitals
where the large hill is used as the name generator. 
fyi -
http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/hittite/en_lexique_hittite.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.42.179.151 (talk) 19:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apasa, capital of Arzawa - etymology in Hittite 

message: - Not Arzawa, you're thinking of the other Luwian kingdom, Assuwa. It was Assuwa that gave its name to Asia.
- I agree. I have left the original quote in place for now, but have added Assuwa reference with original source.
- There is no indication Arzawa and Assuwa were separate kingdoms. Assuwa was the name of a coalition, and Arzawa may have been a successor state. Read Bryce (2005), Kelder (2010) and Cline (2013) for background on this. 
2600:1702:28E0:EE0:70BE:C450:3FF6:69B1 (talk) 22:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assuwa and Asia 

message: - Was Argos that gave its name to Arzawa?
Note: The word "wa' means "land" in Hittite language.
- Was Bellerophon, the Corinthian prince of Greek Mythology, the same person with Uhhaziti, king of Arzawa?
- Was Arza-wa the "Argive land" (i.e. Achaean or Mycenean colonies), in Asia Minor (or else, Anatolia), in 16, 15, 14 centuries B.C. ?
- Was Madduwatta or Maddywattes, the Lukkan king of Arzawa (1360? B.C.) the same person with Jobates, the king of Lycia according to Greek Mythology?
- - Is exact the etymology, below ? :
Madduwatta < Maddu-watta < (Madd)u-watta < Uwatta < Ιοβάτα < Ιοβάτης (Jobates or Iobates)
- Was Piyama-Kurunta, Arzawean general and son of Uhhaziti, the king of Arzawa, the same person withHippolochus  (= he who is leader of cavalry, in Greek), the first son of Bellerophon or with ("Pegasus (the Corinthian)", the mythical horse of Bellerophon?
Note: 
Hippolochus = Hippus ( = horse, in Greek) + lochus ( = group of soldiers, in Greek).
--Ionn-Korr 11:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arzawa and [[Argos]] 

message: Altough English isn't my mother tongue, I have to make some corrections here:
-Argos and Arzawa are surely to be differentiated, not only are their names quite different, but also their locations are surely not identical. Altough the geography of the Arzawa-lands is difficult, it is sure that Arzawa must have been in West-Anatolia, and so cannot be identical with Argos.
It is also wrong that -wa means land in Hittite. utne or udne means land in Hittite. There is no meaning of -wa as a substantive in Hittite. I don't know where you got that idea from.
-Why should Bellerophon be identical with Uhha-Ziti?????
-The Madduwatta - Iobates etymology is surely incorrect, Madduwatta in Greek should be, as you said Mad(d)ya(t)tes
-The other identifications are all to be discarded. The Arzawan rulers cannot be identified with persons from Greek myths.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.60.63.76 (talk) 09:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Answers and Critics

message: :
Does this mean anything other than "Arzawa's predominant language was Luwian"?  If not, I'd change it to the more transparent wording. —Tamfang (talk) 20:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: well i guess no one else has a problem with it —Tamfang (talk) 21:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  language about language 

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message: The list of Arzawan kings is widely inaccurate (like many things that appear in Wiki's history articles). It could be fixed by resorting to few decent references, but until then, it's better just to delete it. 2600:1702:28E0:EE0:70BE:C450:3FF6:69B1 (talk) 22:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  List a Arzawan kings as a complete mess! 

message: I posted a short summary of Gander (2014).Max Gander (2014), An Alternative View on the Location of Arzawa.  Hittitology today: Studies on Hittite and Neo-Hittite Anatolia in Honor of Emmanuel Laroche’s 100th Birthday. Alice Mouton, ed. p. 163-190 He's sort of offering a different picture of location. Y-barton (talk) 00:32, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of Arzawa and Seha 

message: I'm frustrated by the above discussion. I would like to request that  retitle this section and retract his earlier accusations. I was (and I remain) totally happy to discuss these issues in good faith, but I want assurances that I will be treated as a colleague and not as an enemy. Botterweg14 (talk) 23:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Summarizing here based on the points made above:  The sentense about Maduwatta (active in Arzawa) allying with Attarsiya (an Ahhiyawan) testifies to the early Arzawan-Ahhiyawan contacts and, now that Alexikoua trimmed the repetition (diff), it seems to be okay.  I guess, most of it could be seen as a repetition. Deportees serving the Hittite king could be worth the mention, Idk.  The Miletus setback, which is interpreted as a possible outcome of the Mycenean support to the Arzawan cause, is another hint to the Arzawan-Mycenean ties. Since this is only a sentense, it doesn't raise huge plagiarism concerns, but perhaps a small rewording could do, I guess.  Piyama-radu might be worth a quick mention, if the source says he was active in Arzawa. If you add a post-independece era, he would be even better fitting, as you said. I don't have an opinion about the last part. Piccco (talk) 23:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

text: As a short reply to the message above, I'll just say that perhaps our communication wasn't focused on one thing at a time and as a result we weren't really on the same page when discussing. I can understand your confusion, as well as Alexikoua's concerns for different reasons. The main points are now made very clear, so it's easier to address them directly. Piccco (talk) 00:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Botterweg14 Please receive my apologies (I've rephrased the title). Sometimes it turns frustrating realizing that referenced information isn't part of the text any more but hopefully we can sort out each issue.Alexikoua (talk) 22:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I appreciate it. Botterweg14 (talk) 01:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I have to thank everyone for their concerns on each issue above. I have trimmed  to avoid any repetition on the deportations, just left those who served the Hittite king.  A rephrasing was necessary to avoid any plagiarism about the event that is described as a straight response of the Hittite king due to Mycenaean involvement in support of Arzawa,  Piyaramaradu is described as a scion of the Arzawa royal family in the correspondent citation. I'm still concerned how to present this without adding too much extra content. Alexikoua (talk) 22:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good faith 

message: Arzawa ancient greek from proto-hellenic, helleno-pelasgian root SYR SAR ARS ARZ for high and bright shining, related to the root KOR POR SOR for stone, high and connection/passage, Like in Syros, Syria, Sardon, Sardinia, Sardelles anchovies.   And ISBE iswe isp asp asw  dialectical exchange of the labial and bilabial p/b/w/ph consonants. The Sigma S transforms to a Digamma F, aFp,  the Digamma F affects the P and doubles it to Hippo horse. Hippo =  Kappa like in Kappadokia δεχομαι dekhomai receive, accept δοχη doche receptacle, reception, feast, acception, service for horses  = awa  City of the brigthshining horses. 
Anatolias, Asian minors topo- and ethnonyms are ancient greek!!!!
Instead of delivering us with scientific proven evidence and truth, we have to refute with scientific proven evidence: pseudo-theories, fallacies and wrong terminologies, based not on science, but on everything else like political or religious, propagandistic, dogmatic intentions.
  2A01:C23:65D4:D000:540C:4056:72FA:E56F (talk) 23:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology