Talk:Leopold Trepper

message: Transferred this comment from the page: - Nilmerg 10:06, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This article needs supporting documents. It makes serious charges against Trepper, such as "He escaped the Stalinist purges with KGB support." and "Germany forced him to betray most of his contacts. They tried to run him as a double agent in Paris but NKVD eventually figured out that he had been turned." Trepper won a judgement against the head of French counterintelligence, Jean Rochet, for similar charges. Trepper has also been slandered by former Nazi officials. No doubt other Western intelligence agencies would like to see him discredited, and perhaps even some in the former Soviet Union as well. Perhaps the author of this article can explain him [her] self.
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Most of this article seems to be a straight quote from : http://leopold-trepper.biography.ms/
But it has some major innaccuracies. I will try to correct them later.
* The page in question is a Wikipedia mirror - it is a copy of this page - Skysmith 14:07, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I'm very shocked reading the following statement: "Germany forced him to betray most of his contacts. They tried to run him as a double agent in Paris but NKVD eventually figured out that he had been turned." It seems to follow the old 50's and 60's black legend against this outstanding anti-nazi spy, leader of the most important soviet spy ring in occupied Europe and Germany.
You should read the in-deep work by Gilles Perrault: The Red Orchestra (L'Orchestre Rouge). 
Being captured by the nazi counterintelligence, Trepper continued fighting against nazis from prision performing a double-game against them, destroying the german intoxication operation against soviet intelligence services, the Great Game, a diplomatic and intelligence german attemp to broke the British/U.S.-Soviet Union alliance. Eventually he escaped and fully alerted Moscu about the Great Game.
I think this a serious issue. This man represents dozens of members from the Red Orchestra, people from many nationalities, from many ideologies, who fighted with outstanding heroism against the nazism, many of them beign tortured and executed.
H.Sokol
* Please sign your entries with "~~~~" and cite your sources - Skysmith 14:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Betraying???? Turned???? 

message: "In 1938 Trepper was sent to organize and coordinate an intelligence network in Nazi-occupied Europe, based in Belgium." But there was no occupation of Belgium until 1940. Grant | Talk 14:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Belgium 1938

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: To begin: I cannot substantiate this discussion. He left Poland traveling through Denmark. Denmark at first refused his entry. I personally had dinner with the Danish ambassader to Poland approximately one week prior to the Danish government giving him (Trepper) permission to enter Denmark. The ambassader said, "Why should we assist him? He made a pact with the devil (meaning Stalin)". I believe I convinced him otherwise. Denma15:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trip out of Poland 

message: I’ll have to double check if it’s an independent source, but Trepper is also mentioned/discussed in chapter 13 ("Rhapsody in Red") of Burn after Reading: the Espionage History of World War II (Farago, Ladislas). Schissel | Sound the Note! 22:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another source? 

message: p.110 of Kesaris. Who he betrayed. scope_creepTalk 09:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Betrayal

message: Perrault. 242 scope_creepTalk 22:22, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Simex capture

message: *p.349 Perrault. Taking to Trepper.
*350. Trepper explaining why he couldn't collaborate
*351  November 1942
*353 Giering found out treppers real name
*354 Trepper wrote report in prison.
*356-357 Katz meeting Juliette Moussier.
357. Giering allowed Trepper to go and see Juliette Moussier - Need a date for this.
358. Passed report to Juliette Moussier. Giering played him.
359. Spent next 6 months on funkspiel. Use date above. 
 
Juliette affair was last big success for giering. scope_creepTalk 15:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Passing a report, was the last thing he done

message: Should we regard this person as a collaborator?  May raise some complex issues. PatGallacher (talk) 19:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, because he was sacrificing one to preserve another who were to seen to be more valuable.  scope_creepTalk 22:27, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaborator?