Talk:Jürgen Klinsmann

message: Wikipedia isn't a daily of life fo recent events. Can't believe that this page has 22 years of playing career on the same space that 2 years of coaching.
::But then there are hundreds of players having their daily playing careers, but only 2 or 3, or so, of them in a life-time who might be called upon to helm their national team. Those are some other numbers to consider.
::Still others would be some dates. Like the date the Internet reached critical mass, or the date Wikipedia started. I've found it to be pretty universal that--not just at Wikipedia--but everywhere online, that going back to certain dates becomes in some respect pre-historic and sparsely reported or simply neglected. Even if from books, there may be none for Klinsmann or many sports figures. I don't think this is a good thing, but it is a real limitation of these kinds of web-based projects, in many case.
::One thing I found lacking in the article were some of the examples of Klinsmann's innovations in brigning in fitness trainers, experts on increasing foot speed, or even some of the unorthodox things like the sessions of table tennis or archery, or pyschologists. If these things go on to revolutionize German or even European soccer, then perhaps Klinsmann's contribution will have been much greater as a coach than as a player. It is too early to know how these things will play out yet, but my point is that just counting the years doesn't always translate into what parts of a career are significant or worth discussing in detail.
::You get this all the time with writers or composers who were also teachers or conductors. They may have spent many years doing the latter but when you read about them in an encyclopedia that only gets a sentence or a phrase, often no more than a short paragraph. The former, on the other hand, may receive pages of attention.
::Also, you can't assume the part you object to will always be there in that form. For example, if the Kilnsmann approach, now passed on to others, turns out to be something truly lasting, maybe it will get its own subpage and most of that material will be moved there in future years. So call what you see now a "wikiworkinprogress"! W.C. 21:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the "wikidaily" 

message: The article claims Klinsman to be a "qualified baker's apprentice" ? That sounds quite misleading, since he actually completed his apprenticeship and passed the required exams. So his correct qualification (for bakery) would (in German) be "Bäckergeselle" which should translate to "journeyman baker" (since bakery is a traditional craft it has retained the traditional titles). More colloquial, he would be called "gelernter Bäcker" ("learned Baker", but within a context where "learned" is understood as to have completed a well regulated apprenticeship and passed an examination regulated by the craftsmen's chamber in that craft). So he is everything but an apprentice.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.176.199.13 (talk) 16:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apprentice ? 

message: The article mentions Klinsmann scored 31 goals with Bayern Munich .. well thats partially correect if consider only the goals scored in Bundeslega 16 in season 95-96 and 15 in season 96-97 but in season 95-96 he scored  15 goals in Uefa cup also ... why is that not mentioned ?!!--Blain Toddi (talk) 11:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goals  

message: How true is the claim of 182 cm being Klinsmann's height? In the link below, the apparent 180 cm (as per his article) Guardiola almost towers over him. Is Klinsmann shorter than 182 or is Pep taller than 180? Or would Jurgen be standing on a lower platform in the picture?
http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/photo/competitions/ucl/81/79/97/817997_biglandscape.jpg
Depor23 (talk) 08:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height 

message: On multiple occasions, during his appearances on ESPN, the hosts have referred to his work on German TV broadcasts.  I Googled a bit but didn't find details about his German appearances.  The details should be in this article.  - Regards, PhilipR (talk) 06:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  German-language TV 

message: It is written in the article "He was even referred to as "Kaiser"". But this is not true. Here, in Germany, nobody associated Klinsmann if you say "Kaiser" reagarding to football. "Kaiser" regarding to football is Franz Beckenbauer only.
:True that. I removed this incorrect (and unreferenced) statement. 80.139.148.56 (talk) 08:06, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kaiser 

message: Youtube is not an acceptable reliable source, even as a primary source.  See WP:RS.  Additionally, reverting 3 times, such as ,  and  Dennis Brown (talk) 22:40, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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message: I have removed Klinsmann's stas for his games at Orange County Blue Star, the fact he played under a pseudonym, Jay Goppingen, indicates these appearences were not full first team fixtures.Statto74 (talk) 12:47, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Orange County Blue Star

message: Given that he's been coach of the US national soccer team for nearly three years, I don't think the lead should call him a "football manager". At the least, it should say "association football". (suoı̣ʇnqı̣ɹʇuoɔ · ʞlɐʇ) nɯnuı̣ɥԀ 21:44, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: When he's managed the team for as long as he played professional and national football in Europe, 18 years, then we can talk about changing. It does say association football, right in the link. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:25, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  In this case, I would agree with Phinumu that the word "association" should not be hidden in the link, but should in fact be present in the article. As things currently stand, the opening sentence suggests that he is the manager of the United States national football team, an entity which does not exist and which, if it did exist, would likely be an American football team. Tad Lincoln (talk) 22:57, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football/Association Football/Soccer 

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message: A minor point within the lead section but one that should not be allowed to get out of hand.
Klinsmann was the fifth honorary captain of the German National Football Team: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehrenspielf%C3%BChrer.
That is a reference to the Men's team, whether we are talking about official usage, common usage or even Wikipedia conventions: https://www.dfb.de/en/national-teams/.
No women have been made the honorary captain of the men's team.
Bettina Wiegmann and Birgit Prinz have been made captain of the German women's team.  That is a different team and a different honour.  There is only one honourary captain of the men's team at a time, while Wiegmann and Lahm were honourary captains of the different teams at the same time.
It is striking that someone keeps editing this Klinsmann article to include the 2 women while, at the same time, the article about the German women's team still showed only Wiegmann as having been an honourary captain, while the article about the Men's team failed to list Lahm as an honourary captain.  I have fixed the women's article and will fix the men's article when I get around to it unless someone else does it first.
Please stop this editing war.  Nobody lists Wiegmann or Prinz as having been a captain of the men's team: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_national_football_team#Captains and there is no reason why a different approach should be taken in an article about the men's team.
Friedrich Dürrenmatt (talk) 04:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but I put a lot of work into rewriting the lead and I think my points are sound.  Two female players were made hon capt of the women's team which is great and I have updated the women's team article to reflect this (it was years out of date). 81.109.207.71 Friedrich Dürrenmatt (talk) 07:45, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  You should probably not edit when logged-out, and if I don't need to discuss every edit, then why did you revert with the reason that it was an un-discussed change? That makes it seem as though you do it expect a discussion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:07, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honorary Captain 

message: The page says he worked at ESPN FC as of last year but is writing a newsletter for BBC Sport during the World Cup. Is he still working at ESPN? Can we get clarity on that? Aresef (talk) 21:08, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current employment 

message: When did Jurgen sign for the Kickers, as there seems to be some discrepancy. The article stated (for a couple of years, up until a few minutes ago) that he signed for them in 1978, aged 16 (He would have been 14 in 78). It then says he went pro with them two years later, in 82 (which tallies with the 16 years old at signing) can anyone confirm the date at all?  Moons of Io (talk) 16:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuttgarter Kickers