Talk:People's Park (Berkeley)/Archive 1

message: This article only has ONE citation.  There are many quotes and references in the article without citations.  While it is my personal OPINION that this was an absurd event and the reason I never liked Regan despite his popularity, this article is entirely UN-ENCYCLOPEDIC . I do not have the knowledge or time to edit this article properly, but it looks like Founders4 has spent considerable time on this. Founders, and others, would you please consider my challenge for neutrality and cite your sources as well as editing the text for a less "flavorful" and more neutral presentation of the facts? If a reader wants flavor, he or she can read one of your sources.  Thanks!  :-) Keithjack 02:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV dispute 

message: Please let me weigh in here.  While the demonstration on "Bloody Thursday," May 15, 1969 was NOT peaceful, Governor Reagan was critical even of peaceful demonstrations opposing the Vietnam War, and the May 31, 1969 demonstration WAS peaceful.  Why do you choose to delete "peaceful," when this is an accurate description in both instances?  It is not a political word.
I have changed it back, since it is acccurate.  If you believe otherwise, please explain.Founders4 18:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Battle Over "Peacefully" 

message: Hi Eptin.  Thanks for adding the bullets to "Subsequent History" and for separating out the information on Rosebud Abigail Denovo.
Actually I'm wondering if the Rosebud Abigail Denovo information belongs here at all. It has very little to do with People's Park. What would you think about eliminating it entirely?  
Anyone else care to comment?Founders4 09:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to create a stub about Rosebud Denovo using the info that was removed. The info, to my knowledge, is good, non-plagiarised info that people would still want to know about; indeed, the way that I found my way to the People's Park article is by searching for Rosebud Denovo. BTW, there are several references used in the People's Park article, were any of them used to support the Rosebud section? (in which case I should also copy the references to the Rosebud Denovo article).  Eptin 21:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I was reading an article in the New York Times called "Diary of a Soldier's Wife: Tie-Dye and Camo Don't Mix" (You can read it here ) and the couple had a conversation about "Rosebud". They gave an ounce of background about who she was, but with a phrase from the article like "What was I doing with someone who consorts with people who kill petite 20-year-old protesters?",  I was curious about the incident.  Eptin 20:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Rosebud Abigail Denovo. 

message: Does the person who wrote this have a source? :
"In keeping with Governor Reagan's "bloodbath" statement, the police were given carte blanche to use whatever methods they chose..." ?--Pkrembs 22:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I don't have it close at hand, I've read the interview with Sheriff Frank Madigan that appeared in the May 30, 1969 Berkeley Daily Gazette.   In it Madigan says that he was ordered to "do whatever it takes" to quell the rioting--which extended to the use of shotguns for crowd control.  The decision by his deputies to obscure their badge numbers--well-documented at the time--was apparently a personal one and did not reflect official policy.  Madigan ended up apologizing for the behavior of some of his deputies who had just returned from duty in Vietnam; this group lumped hippies, anti-war protestors and People's Park protestors in the same category, and they felt justified in using lethal force to go after them.  After the extent of civilian injuries became apparent, Madigan pledged to rein his deputies in and make sure they knew they were not in pursuit of the Viet Cong during protests. Subsequent Berkeley protests were handled much more carefully as a result of the People's Park debacle. Kensington7 01:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gimme a break! 

message: A popular hangout amongst locals? Really? I guess all those homeless people could be called locals... --Dante Alighieri | Talk 17:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More NPOV concerns