Talk:Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening

message: can we publish this poem here?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Martijn Hoekstra (talk • contribs) 15:11, 23 July 2006‎
:yes, its in the public domain Martijn Hoekstra 15:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's pretty clearly not in the public domain. Here's one site which uses the poem by permission and cites its copyright information. Here's another, a U.S. Department of State site, that cites the info. DeSales 04:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fairly new to Wikipedia and not interested in risking a "revert war," but did the person who reversed my removal read my talk comment and the links? Where is the evidence that this is public domain?  DeSales 22:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK User:DeSales is right - 3 or 4 lines is probably fair use though... Tomandlu 00:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I looked it up before, and came to the conclusion it was in the public domain, I believe either because the author has been dead for a certain number of years, or because of the copyright had run out for some other reason. I'll try to look it up again, and get some sourced statements here. (By the way, the original question if it wasn't copyrighted was my own. I found that it was public domain soon after, and answered my own question) Martijn Hoekstra 17:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, it is not public domain.  In most cases in the US, copyright expires 50 years after the death of the creator or artist, per Template:PD-old-50.  That's 2013 in the case of Frost.  The federal government has been busy extending the period that copyright holds so corporations can make more money (see Copyright#United States copyright law), but that thankfully doesn't apply to Frost.  - BanyanTree 05:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Make it 2019. The poem was published in 1923 (unfortunately, only works published in 1922 or earlier are in the public domain) and the copyright was renewed in 1951. According to the copyright information in the sites cited above, the right rule to apply is: "1923 through 1963 - Published with notice and the copyright was renewed - 95 years after publication date." So it will enter the public domain in 1 January 2019 (according to note #3 there). -- Gabi S. (talk) 11:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why does Eric Whitacre then think that the poem is copyrighted until 2038? Quote: “After a LONG legal battle (many letters, many representatives), the estate of Robert Frost and their publisher, Henry Holt Inc., sternly and formally forbid me from using the poem for publication or performance until the poem became public domain in 2038.” SyaWgnignahCehT (talk) 17:52, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: copyright

message: It's possible that the repetition in the last two lines suggests that the narrator is drifting off to sleep, perhaps suggesting death by freezing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.66.137.182 (talk) 06:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the animal has harness bells, typical of a horse that pulls a wagon 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:C87B:4781:F6D0:8F42 (talk) 19:45, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: interpretation

message: What, no mention of the Charles Bronson movie "Telefon" from 1977? Kar98 15:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: . Really, is that mention really that necessary? Tizio 23:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And that's why Wikipedia blows chunks. Neither of you offered any actual argument, just the same ol' same ol' templates. In fact you're probably bots anyway and I'm wasting my time answering you two clowns. Kar98 17:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.  Tizio 20:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: The current character count is:
 encyclopedic part: 985
 popular culture section: 1496
This is really weird. Do we really need to mention the 132th episode of the "Unknown to everybody" tv series where two words possibly from the poem are partly seen written on a wall for 1.2 seconds? Tizio 16:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting stats. I never quite thought about it this way. However I have to point out a few mitigating factors for this phenomenon. First the absence of the poem itself. Due, as you know, to copyright problems we can't include it. If you add the characters of the poem to 985 already counted it will tip the balance in favour of the encyclopaedic content. Second in the absence of the poem verses no meaningful analysis of the verses can take place. If you add the (hypothetical) verse analysis to the encyclopaedic content the balance will become even healthier. Conclusion: It's not the pop culture section that is overgrown, it is the encyclopaedic content that is atrophied due to copyright stranglehold. BTW I checked the trivia section and didn't see the 132nd episode of "Unknown to everybody" tv series. Interesting name for a series ;-). Dr.K. (talk) 18:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, Dr.K. Currently, there are seventeen popular culture references listed. This number, in my opinion, should never really get any higher than two or three (and of course they should be sprinkled into the article, but unfortunately this article isn't long enough to do that). I say we keep the most well-respected, most well-known references and delete the rest. Suggestions for those to keep are The Sopranos and The Simpsons. The two shows refer to the poem specifically and do not leave it vague (while "whose woods are these" from The Wonder Years and "whose woods these are" from Mutantx are probably derived from this poem, it could be just a coincidence). Three other possible candidates include the Sydney Pollack movie, the Stephen King movie, and the Dean Koontz book. While people may not have seen these movies or television shows or read these books, they probably have heard of the directors or titles or authors.JDCAce (talk) 17:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop-cult beats everything else! 

message: Yes, articles should be referenced, but someone has gotten a little obnoxious with the 'fact' tags here.  We really need a citation establishing that "Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening" is a *poem*?69.2.87.205 (talk) 21:40, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Tags culled. I think one per paragraph makes the point well enough. Mcewan (talk) 20:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations Needed, Really?

message: FYI: 
User:Seraphimblade removed the entire popular culture section. I didn't think that was called for and have reverted that edit. I've provided refs for a couple of the more notable entires in that section. The others were: </br>
* The poem was featured in the 1977 Charles Bronson film Telefon, the 1983 Indian Hindi language feature film Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron, the TV show Roswell on episode 17 of season 2, the TV show The Sopranos on episode 2 of season 3, the TV show Dexter on episode 2 of season 4, Quentin Tarantino's "Death Proof" segment of the 2007 film Grindhouse, and in the 2003 film adaptation of Stephen King's novel, Dreamcatcher (film), directed by Lawrence Kasdan. The poem is also featured in the education program Family Album USA
* The poem was used in the third verse of the parody of "Empire State of Mind" by Jay-Z, called "Granite State of Mind" by Super Secret Project.
* "The woods are lovely, dark and deep machi" - Surya utters this poem to his friend in the movie Vaaranam Aayiram.
* A supporter for the 2010 campaign for Texas State Representative Borris Miles used the poem which was directed at his opponent, Al Edwards, with some of the words substituted (Frost's 'I' was replaced by Al Edwards' name inserted in the final verse which reads 'And Miles to go before Al Edwards goes to sleep').
* The last two lines of the poem ("And Miles to go before I sleep... And Miles to go before I sleep...") are featured in the song "Miles" by American rock band Sponge which is included in their 1994 album Rotting Piñata.
I have no idea how notable they are/were, so I've removed them from the article. If you feel that they should be included, please go ahead and put them back in but make sure to include a reference that at least provides some indication as to how it was notable. Matt Deres (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture 

message: A caveat on the notion that Frost was invoking the Winter Solstice when he wrote "The darkest evening of the year."
At wikipedia Sunset, you will read this: "the earliest sunset does not occur on the winter solstice, but rather about two weeks earlier", around 6 December in the North America, rather than 21 December. A surprising phenomena, yet perfectly observable. Use your wristwatch to check the time of sunset in your area, and you'll see it's true. It's related to solar Noon.
To be precise, the "darkest evening" occurs in early December in Vermont. My guess is that Frost was aware of this - only a guess. Any clues? Ol'Campy (talk) 19:25, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt he was being that precise.  Anyway, the darkest and longest evenings aren't the same thing.  The darkest evening would have to be overcast and have a new moon.  2601:648:8200:990:0:0:0:491C (talk) 09:52, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solar noon and "darkest evening of the year" 

message: Please do not add the poem as mentioned in passing in media such as TV programmes, video games etc. 'Passing mentions' do not fly. Please read WP:IPC. Span (talk) 18:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Passing mentions

message: Hey, what's wrong with the reference template. I can't add one. BenisonPBaby 14:22, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: , you haven't edited the article. If you can show the edit you're trying to make here, someone can probably help you troubleshoot. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  This was me 10 years ago, lol. I guess it's fixed now. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:59, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  References missing??