Talk:Piper Alpha

message: I am surprised by the content of the article. Lets clean it up.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.42.8.253 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor article 

message: The remains of the Piper Alpha were remanufactured into the launch platform of the Sea Launch spacecraft launch service (named Ocean Odyssey). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Launch. 03:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are several conflicting points between the Ocean Odyssey and Piper Alpha articles, which would seem to preclude the two from being the same rig.  —Fleminra 05:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  From the ashes... 

message: "battle 80mph winds and 70-foot waves."
This was in the early July in the North Sea.  This is not normally the stormy time of the year, so it doesn't seem plausible that the worst conditions one might find in a typical year (if one would even see these conditions in a normal year) would be found in the dry season (see Cfb (winter wetter than summer)) and near the beginning of the North Atlantic Hurricane season.  This type of weather would normally occur between October and February.  That being said, even if these meteorological conditions did occur in early July, it stands to reason that they could wait at least a few hours for the weather to become somewhat calmer.  After all, they waited for the famous Red Adair to arrive to do the job properly, not to do the job as quickly as possible.  The official reports (in the External links) report winds of 10-15 knots, so this is likely the conditions that were encountered by Red Adair.  If these conditions did actually occur, is there a source from a meteorological agency or from an official government report?  I respect the late Red Adair's skills in fighting fires and capping hydrocarbon leaks, but I hope that we could find a source other than him on meteorological conditions (if he was indeed the source).  Thanks Ufwuct 03:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Claim regarding weather conditions

message: It doesn't mention anywhere how many workers on the platform survived, only how many died... M.nelson (talk) 23:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't this clearly establish that any list isn't notable? --BozMo talk 18:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it shows that this event happened at a time when the Internet did not exist as we know it; any list of Piper casualties was freely available as hard copy. Samesawed (talk) 15:11, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survivors (and victims) 

message: I was recruited into the oil industry as an explosion specialist straight after Piper Alpha and worked on the explosion for years. Never have I heard it referred to as "the" Piper Alpha, always just "Piper Alpha". In general proper names do not take "the". So I am changing the opening paragraph to remove the "the".--BozMo talk 07:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, you need to watch "Fire in the Night" a documentary on the Piper Alpha incident in which you will hear people actually involved in the incident from survivors to Nimrod pilots to the captain of the 'Sandhaven' who talk of "the Piper" and "the Piper Alpha". Samesawed (talk) 14:20, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very surprising 

message: Are there no free images of Piper Alpha?  TastyCakes (talk) 18:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: I think there is a major contradiction in this article. It might have something to do with differing opinions on what happened. There is, however, no way of verifying whether this is because of different sources. Contrast the  Explosion section:
The shift supervisor was not able to complete the maintenance work in the shift and so he wrote handover notes and gave them to the contractor. The contractor did not read them and signed off the permit for the work. 
with the information in the Timeline:
As he found the on-duty custodian busy, the engineer neglects to inform him of the condition of Pump A. Instead he places the permit in the control centre and leaves. --Bjkoning (talk) 11:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: Could we put a map of the north sea showing piper alpha's location?  I see the coordinates are already there...  I just don't know of a map that it would appear on or really how to do that map overlay thing...  TastyCakes (talk) 15:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: The article does not mention any fines or punitive damages imposed on Occidental after the accident. Google finds unreliable blog-like claims from 2 to 20 billion US dollars. If anyone has well-sourced details on the fines, please could they add them? -84user (talk) 12:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fines 

message: Not sure about "59 survivors". Reference 4 "The night the sea caught fire: Remembering Piper Alpha" quotes this number, but Reference 5 "Remembering Piper Alpha disaster" says 62 and reference 15 "Twenty years on, Piper Alpha survivor tells of fleeing fireball" has 61 survivors. These are all news articles so they should be equally reliable - 05:14 am, 1st February 2011 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.5.230 (talk • contribs) 05:16, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of survivors 

message: When I was a student at Imperial College London, I remember finding the public inquiry of Piper Alpha in the main college library in South Kensington. It is very detailed and I think the order of events in this wikipedia article is taken from this. If I remember rightly it stated the cause of death of everyone who died. Its a great pity this public inquiry is not truly public and available on the internet. Does any one have access to a copy? 62.252.214.21 (talk) 22:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, at least I added a clear reference to the report. Somehow this seem to have been lacking here? Piper2013 (talk) 06:51, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

text: HSE appears to have placed a digital copy of the inquiry online in late 2018. Its available at https://www.hse.gov.uk/offshore/piper-alpha-disaster-public-inquiry.htm and should provide invaluable to anyone wishing to expand the article with reliable content. I've added a link in the external links section of the article Thx811 (talk) 19:31, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

text: A bit late, but you have to remember that there was no real internet at that time. It was public, the report was publicly available, but primarily as hard copy. It was, eventually, made available on the internet. Samesawed (talk) 15:06, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does any one have access to a digital version of the public inquiry? 

message: Are they available online? It would be nice if the article included a link to them. Piper2013 (talk) 07:46, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Public Inquiry into the Piper Alpha Disaster: Volume 2 - HSE Chapter 23: Recommendations  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samesawed (talk • contribs) 15:27, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  106 recommendations online? 

message: I added the image from Commons of the stained-glass window to the Legacy section. It's a bit overpowering - I could not work out how to make it any smaller. But maybe what this article needs is a strong image of the platform in the info box, or at least an example of a similar platform in the main body? There are only images of memorials at Commons and I very much doubt there will be a free image available of the platform itself. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: The section Timeline of the incident states:
At the time of the disaster 226 people were on the platform; 165 died and 61 survived.
But section Aftermath states:
The largest number of survivors (37 out of 59) were recovered by the Fast Rescue Craft MV Silver Pit
-B kimmel (talk) 12:39, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The source for the first statement is the Cullen Report (Vol 2, Appendix H, p463) and you can't get much more WP:RS than that. The second statement, as far as I can see, is unsourced. So I'd suggest removing that "(37 out of 59)", as this would not affect the claim about the MV Silver Pit, even though it's still unsourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  No of survivors 

message: Substituted at 03:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: The section originally headed as Timeline of Events was extremely long. I have done my best to divide it into reasonable sections. Any further adjustments, alterations, etc. will be appreciated. I think this division makes it much easier both to read and to edit. Best, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 04:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections added to Timeline of events 

message: The article contained a claim regarding the tie-in platforms continuing production and unnamed workers saying they didn't have permission to shut that in.
This claim was linked to a now-defunct webpage, which was still available via the Wayback machine, but which in turn cited... the wikipedia article, and the official inquest.  The link to the inquest provided there is now broken although it's possible to find it on the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20021227221456/http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/Appendix%20to%20Piper%20Alpha.html
That document doesn't make the claim either.  So I simply removed that sentence and the footnote. 162.205.142.97 (talk) 20:40, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many places where you can find confirmation of the claim that "the tie-in platforms continuing production and unnamed workers saying they didn't have permission to shut that in" (sic). For example, here. It is also found in a talk given by Brian Appleton, one of Lord Cullen's Technical Advisers to the Enquiry), that is available on YouTube starting at about 18 minutes and 30 seconds in. It is also in the Cullen Report, itself. Corotletha (talk) 16:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undocumented/Incorrect Claim