Talk:Fief

message: Does anyone have dates on when this practice was first known, or when it became common in Europe?  The Jade Knight 01:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently Charles the Bald made a position/honor-related hedetary system in a declaration in 877 at Quierzy-sur-Oise, and Conrad II made a proclamation of agnatic succession to fiefs in 1037 while besieging Milan.  (both of these taken from Medieval Households by David Herlihy).  Neither of these, however, deal with the beginning of fiefdom, just the beginning of its dynastic characteristics.  The Jade Knight 02:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins? 

message: cool  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.118.58 (talk) 10:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  samule jim 

message: Hi the English in this article is terrible!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.192.104 (talk) 21:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  English in this article 

message: well if u didn't notice they got them from the queen or king.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.161.165.160 (talk) 01:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  where do pesants get fiefs? 

message: Some controversy over whether "fee" or "fief" is the better spelling. In 2013  and later Srnec moved back but didn't alter mentions back. I'm too ignorant to adjudicate, but there is more on "fee" vs "fief" terminology in the Susan Reynolds reference, pages 12–13 and 323–324. See also p.393 (fief vs alod) and the index (p.532). jnestorius(talk) 16:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "Fee" is restricted to English usage. Nobody refers to French fees, or fees of the Empire, etc. Reynolds makes this point at 323–24. The term fief is the more general term: fee basically only applies to England. Srnec (talk) 01:26, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fee vs fief 

message: Can anybody give a reference for this statement? 
However, not only land but anything of value could be held in fee, including governmental office, rights of exploitation such as hunting or fishing, monopolies in trade, and tax farms.
I initiated a discussion about this at history.stackexchange.com, but without success. It's evident for me that there must be sources on this topic, but I can't find them. Eozhik (talk) 11:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that  removed my template "citation needed". Leo this is a misunderstanding, there are no explanations in  this article in Britannica about examples of fiefs that were not lands. I was asking about this. I'll put again the template, if there are no objections. Eozhik (talk) 10:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Google "money fief". Srnec (talk) 12:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , thank you. You know, actually only one article is available for me in the google list: https://www.persee.fr/doc/rbph_0035-0818_1954_num_32_2_1904 (and as I see, this article does not discuss fiefs that were not lands, it only mentions the article by Bryce D. Lyon, which I can't download, I don't understand why). Besides this, "money fief" is only one example. I hope, there are references for the other examples. Eozhik (talk) 10:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll move your link to the previous sentence, because it better illustrates what is written about lands, not about other sources of income. Eozhik (talk) 11:37, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  References on the examples of fiefs that were not lands