Template talk:Infobox school/Archive secondary school

message: IMHO, this template should have an optional "Nickname" field, as in athletic nickname. The name of a school's mascot is not necessarily related to its athletic nickname, and even if it is, one may not always be able to guess the nickname from the mascot name. Matter of fact, I'll be semi-bold and add in the "nickname" field, but put it in comments so that it won't be activated until there's a consensus for including it. — Dale Arnett 04:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you're talking about the name of the athletic team(s), why not call it exactly that?  It's often incorrect to apply that name to the entire school population, and lots of schools have nicknames for the school or the students that aren't the names of their teams. RossPatterson 04:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested field: Nickname 

message: Many of the pages using the Template:Infobox School2 could easily be ported to this template.  However, many of the pages require a 'Teaching Staff' field.  Based on discussions on other templates, these should not be put under 'faculty'.  Could someone add a 'Teaching Staff' field?  --W. Flake ( talk | contribs ) 19:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've managed to add it. Scribble Monkey 12:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Section 

message: Currently this template is not displaying the Students parameter correctlly.  I tried to fix this, but it didn't work.  Can someone who knows more about these templates of templates please fix this --T-rex 19:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you give an example of a page where it isn't working?  I just looked at a few and it seems fine. /blahedo (t) 23:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't work on Mount Miguel High School or Lancaster High School (Lancaster, New York) --T-rex 23:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks --T-rex 01:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Error

message: Location doesn't appear to be separating the different elements correctly with spaces or line breaks. If you set City, State & Country, City is followed by a comma and a new line, but State and Country are joined into a single text string. It would be good if each element was on its own line. Scribble Monkey 13:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Location formatting

message: Would it be possible to either amend or replace the term 'grades' in this infobox, as we do not use the word in the UK. For us, the term 'Year' is used, and would be more appropriate. Tafkam 18:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added grades_label which you can set to "Years", "Age Range", or anything else that you'd prefer. ~ Scribble Monkey 11:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it needs to be a lot clearer because I don't understand how it works and I'm not the only one as it is being misused on British articles. This is Yankee cultural imperialism. RegRCN 19:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's perfectly clear, as it follows the same usage as other labels tags in the form; I suspect the only reason UK schools still have them labelled as grades is that the infobox was entered into the article before the new tag was added, and hasn't been changed. I'm just about changing some that I've done now. Tafkam 08:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of term 'grades' 

message: I had a failed attempt to add "assistant principal" and "vice principal" as fields below "principal." Using the "free label" option is not very effective, because then the label falls too far from "principal." Anyway, would anyone please explain how editing the code works, or edit it for me? I would have thought that a copy/paste/replace job would do it, but unfortunately it didn't. I reverted my failed attempt. Thanks, — Emiellaiendiay 02:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Care to explain how it didn't work?  A quick check of the code you added looks like it should have.  RossPatterson 04:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dare I ask: do we really need to include the vice principal here?  Is this information ever going to be of encyclopaedic interest?  /blahedo (t) 04:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with blahedo.  Vice-principals seem to be a bit too narrow for encyclopedic purposes.  In my opinion, the assistant principals seem to be the middle-managers of the school.  Surely middle management would not be included in a business's infobox.  Any other thoughts?  —W. Flake (talk) 21:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly if you carried equivalent usage across in the UK, we'd have Headteachers, Deputy headteachers and Assistant Headteachers - that could be 10 members of staff in some larger schools. One 'chief exec' is enough in my opinion. Tafkam 21:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assistant, vice principal

message: I think someone has messed around with the template. There are some surplus {{ symbols appearing on pages using this template. Does anyone know how to fix it? Dahliarose 23:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with template 

message: May I ask what should be filled in for athletics? --Mr.crabby  (Talk) 21:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Athletics

message: This template is being foisted on British schools, but we do not have "grades" we have years. Can someone who understands the syntax please add this as an option? Thank you. RegRCN 19:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The solution is to amend grades_label from Grades to Years. TerriersFan 19:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: America is not the only country on Earth

message: Is there any consensus to remove the background color for the logo box?  It seems like the default should be to have a transparent background there (mostly because the white box looks out of place). Esrever 21:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  background color 

message: Here's a suggestion for an improvement by someone who knows much more than I do about templates. If there is no image in the picture field, then do not display the image caption text. Sometimes (often?) the image is deleted (via prod or speedy-delete) and the caption text remains. For example, User:ImageRemovalBot deleted the image link in the infobox in the Walter Panas High School article because the image had been speedy-deleted, which caused the caption to appear as seemingly-random text near the top of the article, see here. I have talked with the Bot owner and he is not sure the Bot can be made smart enough to delete the caption with the image link. Maybe the user box template can do it? Truthanado 00:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The template can't be made smart enough to cope with what ImageRemovalBot does.  If the bot simply deleted the image reference, that's something the template could work with.  But it doesn't - it replaces it with an HTML comment.  Templates can compare a parameter with any fixed value, and with no value, but they can't do things like looking for a leading "
thread_title: Image caption text without picture image

message: I just removed the recently-added "Telephone number" field.  I don't see how it's useful or appropriate to have that kind of directory information in an encyclopedia article.  If someone needs that kind of contact information they should visit the school's website or look it up in a directory.  --ElKevbo 03:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Telephone

message: When compared to Template:Infobox nrhp, is it really necessary to have "253px" rather than just "Charlotte High (Florida).JPG"? Also, I've noticed Infobox nrhp makes images more sharper. « FMF » 19:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture parameter

message: The Student Body President field was recently added. Is this really needed and appropriate? It's difficult to believe that this would satisfy Wikipedia notability standards. Also, the parameter has not been completely added to the template; there is nothing about it in the Blank template and Optional fields (instructions) sections. Truthanado 09:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I removed the parameter pending further discussion.  --ElKevbo 11:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Student Body President

message: Is street address (the "Address" parameter) really necessary?  It doesn't seem like a necessary piece of information in an encyclopedia article.  --ElKevbo 18:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly not. It is used in many high school articles so I would hesitate to remove it. It does provide a more precise location than just the town or city, which can be useful since many towns and cities have several high schools. I would support either way: keep or remove. I suggest we keep the address field unless there is an overwhelming reason to remove it. I guess that makes me a weak keep. Truthanado 11:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see it as bad information to have but I would suggest that if a reader wants that kind of detailed information they should go to the institution's website or contact the institution.  My concern isn't so much the addresses themselves as it is a sensitivity to not make the infobox overwhelmingly long or overly complex.  --ElKevbo 14:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed that we should keep the infobox as simple as possible. Maybe we should just freeze the template and not allow any more changes. The infobox is about to celebrate its 2nd birthday, and I suspect everything that should be in the template is there by now. Truthanado 00:31, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Address necessary?

message: I am working on the article for Christian Brothers High School (Memphis) and came across one thing that might be a possible field to consider.  What about some sort of field listing the minimum education of the faculty.  An example would be that the aforementioned school has faculty with no less than a masters.  ~Dan9186 November 10, 2007 08:29 (UTC)
:Nah.  Doesn't sound like it would universal enough to place in an infobox.  Definitely worth mentioning in the prose, though!  --ElKevbo 15:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested Faculty Education

message: #Wouldn't it be nicer if we have "Location" go to the top as how Template:Infobox School is?
#Adding another parameter: coordinates?
I know nothing about editing templates so someone else will need to do it if everyone agrees. Thank you. — Yurei-eggtart 10:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: A lot of schools are named after notable people, and a lot of these people have Wikipedia articles, which would make a link to them in the infobox handy.  Even for those who don't have Wikipedia articles, actually, a namesake field would be at least interesting. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested field - namesake 

message: Any objection to adding changing the image fields similar to either :Template:Infobox School or :Template:Infobox University? Right now there are two picture fields, picture and picture2 but they do not work quite the same way and are at the end of the box instead of at the beginning. SayCheeeeeese (talk) 07:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image field

message: the article of Washburn Rural High School is not quite  working right.
i tried putting this in 
 and it didn't go into an infobox. LukeTheSpook (talk) 01:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorted. Tafkam (talk) 00:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  help.  

message: Comparing these two version of the template shows that the hCard microformat name component, class="fn org", is now on the whole "title" row, not just around . Because it now - - potentially - includes the native name, the microformat could be invalid. Please take more care with microformat-related classes. Thank you. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 16:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now fixed; thank you. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 10:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken microformat 

message: Any particular reason why the labels on this template are smaller than those of the regular ones? -LelandRB (Chat · contribs) 01:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They aren't. They use the standard label sizing for an . There's nothing overriding the label sizes. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small Labels? 

message: Can a state ranking label be made? Outside the US in many countries they don't compare schools between states  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.109.158 (talk) 05:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: State Ranking? 

message: No mention is made in here of the fact that another template exists: Template:Infobox School which had a redirect from "high school" as well. If there was some discussion, I guess I missed it. Most schools I know of are using this other format.
A drawback of this one is that it includes athletics, a real pain to maintain.Student7 (talk) 11:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. Well, both templates are "old." But the other one beat you by six months. Still would be curious why no discussion. Student7 (talk) 11:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed - there shouldn't be duplication. However, merging will require a considerable amount of work. I'll see what I can do. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for trying to resolve this. If it is not possible, maybe some step can be made to discourage using one of them. It would be nice to have the same standardized "feel" to each article. Student7 (talk) 20:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Merging templates is A Good Thing™. Are ether other school templates whcih shoudl also be included? I'll help if I can. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Old format vs new

message: Is it possible to add a postal/zipcode parameter to this? Such a detail would be very useful to readers in actually finding a school - e.g. on Google Maps, or a car satnav - so it would be good to display it in the infobox. Only potential snag is that different countries put the code at a different part of the address. This could be sorted by either splitting it into country-specific boxes (probably not a good idea for ease-of-maintenance reasons), or by having multiple parameters in the same way as we have 'rector', 'headmaster' and so on. So if the user specified 'uk_postcode =...' then the infobox would display the postcode after the city. Cynical (talk) 19:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Better to add coordinates, using , as is standard across Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Post code/zip code?

message: The infobox isn't displaying right in Mount St Mary's Catholic High School (Leeds), but there have been no recent edits to it so I wonder whether the template is somehow broken? Any thoughts? PamD (talk) 08:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See also City of London School for Girls, confirming it's likely to be the template which is broken rather than the specific article! PamD (talk) 08:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, don't see Mount St Mary's Catholic High School (Leeds) any more as I've changed to  there! PamD (talk) 08:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I think the last edit on 21:40, 14 December 2008 by Psantora may be the problem. This removed the underscore from the field names and the absence of the underscore I think is causing the problem with the article display. If this is the case then it may happen with a number of these optional fields. Any one more familiar with templates around to check this out? Keith D (talk) 01:37, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, that sounds right. I've reverted, and left a message with Psantora. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Does not appear to have fixed it on City of London School for Girls. I did a null edit without any result then tried a real change and it still exhibits the problem. Though it may be some cache problem. Keith D (talk) 23:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Heh. That was my fault. Should be fixed now. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:00, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks like it has fixed the problem. thanks. Keith D (talk) 14:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "head label" not working? 

message: The template generates an invalid coord when dms=yes is specified, since the format=dms gets mashed into the type argument of the coord. --Stepheng3 (talk) 03:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While trying to fix the bug, I discovered that the dms parameter was undocumented, so I removed it from the template. --Stepheng3 (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  bug 

message: Could a Houses field be added, as is present in Template:Infobox UK school? Thanks! Johnhousefriday (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Houses 

message: I would like to add an optional extra field like the one in , to display a location map. The code chunk seems to be just this:
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See the example in the  documentation. Any objections? This should have no effect on existing instances of the template. I thought I would ask before blasting away. --Teratornis (talk) 21:18, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  An "extra" field, for example to display a location map