Talk:2006 Tour de France

message: We need a link. Bona Fides 14:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Given the drugdping scandals 

message: I noticed that last year the equivalent section on yellow jersey contenders was dynamically altered during the race and eventually removed (I've recently restored it).  The true dynamic contender list is, sooner or later, the top 5 or so on GC, so I see no reason to keep an updated list of contenders separately.  The original list of favorites, whether half retire or the eventual winner is not among them, is, however, a useful piece of information and, I believe, should remain in the article, statically, forever.  So, this is a request to not add or delete from the Favorites list once this year's Tour has begun.  Agreed? (please discuss/vote accordingly below)  --Serge 02:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But for historical purposes, I think it's a mistake to not list Ullrich, Basso, Vino, Mancebo, etc. as favorites for the 2006 Tour just because they were suspended hours before it started.  They were favorites and I think this is an important fact to leave here.  We could note they were DNS because of the scandal in the comments.  --Serge 06:03, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Favorites 

message: (Please vote Agree or Disagree and sign with --~~~~.  All comments should be made in the above Discussion section.))
Agree.  --Serge 02:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But for historical purposes, I think it's a mistake to not list Ullrich, Basso, Vino, Mancebo, etc. as favorites for the 2006 Tour just because they were suspended hours before it started.  They were favorites and I think this is an important fact to leave here.  We could note they were DNS because of the scandal in the comments.  --Serge 06:03, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: VOTE!

message: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun30news3  doping nightmare:/
I think we should take out the section about Ullrich's being in.  He is clearly out, according to this report. Ksnow 07:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that newspaper clip cited in the article is older than this doping scandal. Sam Vimes 08:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NEED UPDATE 

message: i think the Rider's jerseys progress chart should be in this article and not in 2006 Tour de France, Prologue to Stage 11. in my view it belongs right there next to all the major results. i plan to move it but first i wanted to open it for dicussion. i think it belongs after the team classifications and before the retirements. uri budnik 05:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please move it, so it matches the placement in the 2005 Tour de France article.--Per Abrahamsen 05:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i've moved the table; and i just noticed something else. if there is anyone with more experience in editing tables, can it be changed so that the stage numbers match properly? since the start of the tour is called the prologue, the stage numbers are off by one. uri budnik 23:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text:  Presumably because white on white is difficult to see.--Per Abrahamsen 08:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The text was black, and it seems a bit silly to have white on blue, so I've reverted it. I'll leave the white on red of the Combativity column and the pale yellow Team's column for someone else to look at --Aioth 02:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rider's jerseys progress chart should be in the main article

message: I believe the stage winners should be noted in the main article.  Who won the stage is at least as important as who wore what jersey. But they stage wins are also delegated to a subarticle in 2005 Tour de France so I'm sure.--Per Abrahamsen 05:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stage winners 

message: I see someone has put the High Mountain and Time Trial stage types into the stage list.  However, the remaining 13 stages need to be classified.  9 are flat or "plains" stages, while 4 are Intermediate stages ("partly mountainous" :-) ).  Unfortunately, I don't know which are which (although I could take a good guess from the stage profiles).  If anyone has that information from an official source, please fill it in (I got the 9/4 from the official site en francais, but maddeningly it didn't say which were which).  Otherwise I will fill it in once the race is over (rather than guess from the profiles, I'll know definitively based on green jersey points, which differ by stage type).
:Not even those green jersey points make it clear, all-in-all it's a bit subjective. Consider for example the stage of today (Stage 10 from Cambo-les-Bains to Pau), it features two big moutainclimbs, but still it is not considered by most to be a real mountain stage, as the last climb is over 40 kilometres from the finish line. However the green jersey points given out in this stage make this a stage of 'coefficient 3', which is the category for real mountain stages. I can tell you that there are three levels, coefficient 1 (stages 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 13 and 20, the 'flat' stages), coefficient 2 (stages 3, 12, 14 and 18, the in-between stages) and coefficient 3 (stages 10, 11, 15, 16 and 17, the mountain stages). --Pelotas 18:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request: fill in stage types 

message: Ref this edit of 5 July - I intend to revert back to the sub- head "Retirements" from "Cyclists not in the 2006 Tour".  There are many cyclists not in the tour.  Lance of course.  (Me also :-) ) This section does not cover those but only those who have retired, either during the race or immediately before the race, ie it was intended that they race and they have dropped out.--A Y Arktos\talk 19:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the subhead should be Retirements and not Cyclists not in the 2006 Tour. Sue Anne 19:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe we should make the header "Riders not completing the tour" and make two subheaders, "riders not allowed to start" and "retirements". Seems logic no? --Pelotastalk 16:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *No problem with the logic.  Looking at the list of riders for teams, these riders not allowed to start have had an impact, as they must have been registered and couldn't be replaced.  Vinokourov's eam couldn't start at all.  Other teams started with less than 9.  Canberra' own (:-) ) Michael Roger's was saying in a television interview that, with only 7 riders this has affected what T-Mobile can do and changed their strategy.  Can we write a little about the rules on this?  I won't be able to research and write til next week - sorry - thus I know I should  but can't right now.  Maybe it is already there somewhere abd I have missed it.--A Y Arktos\talk 19:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cyclists not in the 2006 Tour" or "Retirements" - rvrt heading 

message: Is there a formula which officials use to determine the categories of individual climbs? Or is it a subjective thing? I haven't been able to find anything in Wikipedia which explains the categories.--RattBoy 13:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories of Climbs 

message: Could somebody crop that to remove the hands? Thanks ahead of time. - Kookykman|(t)e 14:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First picture 

message: How about a separate detailed article on the epic Stage 17? --Serge 23:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate article for Stage 17? 

message: "Vinokourov, Bazayev, Kaschechkin, and León Sanchez are not themselves implicated in the doping case, but five of the nine riders of Astana-Würth were suspended and could not be replaced, leaving the team without the minimum of six starters."
Is it worth noting (and citing if necessary) that those five cyclists were cleared by Spanish investigators following the Tour?
--Estradak 22:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, except that Jörg Jaksche was not cleared.  The other four was.--Per Abrahamsen 23:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe Jaksche was on the original Astana Tour team. Instead, news sources indicate that the fifth rider was Sergio Paulinho, and he has been cleared. http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/10588.0.html --Estradak 05:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Astana-Wurth

message: landis has been disqualified for taking drugs, the spaniard is now the winner this should be edited in —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.206.255.133 (talk) .
:Disqualified? Where did you see/hear that? Probably will happen, but we would need a pretty good cite before saying it has actually happened. Moriori 08:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Winner 

message: Has anyone seen elevation gain figures for individual stages of the race, or for the entire route? --Itinerant1 07:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elevation gains 

message: Unless I get a storm of opinions against me now, I want to revert the edits done by Ksy92003:
2007-07-21T22:37:22 Ksy92003 (Talk | contribs) (49,987 bytes) ("innocent until proven guilty." he is still the winner of the TdF. it's stated in paragraphs that it's contested. but in the tables, it isn't important to note. right now, he is the winner.)
Preferrably, I want the edit done and locked by an admin, till this case is settled, as earlier discussed on Landis' page. 
Thanks abach 17:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It won't be locked unless you get numerous vandalising edits by ip addresses daily. You'll just have to keep an eye on it. SeveroTC 20:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversial edits 

message: I just rated the article a B-class article. Then I looked at this talk page, and saw that it was rated Start-class at 1 august 2007, and the main article has not changed a lot since then. I have been rating a lot of cycling-articles lately, and to me this article is clearly better than the average Start-article.
I am only human however, so I can make mistakes too ;). If the article is not B-class but start-class, please change it back, but I would like to know some arguments why this is not a B-class article, so I can use them when rating other articles. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 14:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: B is fine. The problem it has is lack of prose and too many lists. SeveroTC 14:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Start-class or B-class? 

message: Feel free to reinsert it where you will. Nosleep (talk) 04:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I removed this image because it was squishing the jersey table 

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thread_title:  Dead link 

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thread_title:  Dead link 2 

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thread_title:  Dead link 3 

message: Do we know what the policy is on the classification leadership table? It was changed to remove Floyd Landis from stage 19 and 20 retroactively, but how far is this to be applied - e.g. to riders who have more recently been stripped of their results over this period following admission of doping? I get the impression there isn't a clear ruling from the cycling authorities on this (so would personally choose not to amend the table)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.53.57 (talk) 22:52, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retrospective changing the classification leadership table