Talk:Pacific Western University/Archive 2

message: The material previously posted on the main page of this article included unsourced, defamatory and/or libelous information, including violations of WP:NPOV.  I have stubbed and restarted the main article and archived the talk page.  Please propose your changes/additions to the main article below, with verifiable citations.  Further, please note that if you are either a supporter or critic of this institution, you nevertheless must present WP:V information.  Make this article better by presenting valid factual information, not POV grinding.  You are responsible for what you post, as always.--Brad Patrick 21:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:NPOV|Neutral point of view]] and [[WP:V|Verifiability]]

message: I sugggest that the following be added:
"Pacific Western University is currently owned by chiropractor Steven Warfield." and it be cited from: 
"Pacific Western's ... new owner, Florida-based chiropractor Steven Warfield"
and
"Steven Warfield, D.C. / Chairman of the Board of Directors"
Hope to help. JesseW, the juggling janitor 03:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems disconnected and not particularly relevant. It may be appropriate with more information about administration and management. —Centrx→talk • 06:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Current owner

message: I suggest that the following be changed:
:Established in 1976, Pacific Western University initially offered Bachelor of Arts, Bachelor of Science, Master of Arts, Master of Science, and Ph.D. degrees in a wide range of fields.
be changed to:
:Pacific Western University was established in February 1977. As of 2006, it offers Associate, Bachelor, and Masters degrees in Business Administration, and "General Studies", "Public Administration" and Leadership Management", respectively.
with the first sentence cited from:
: "Pacific Western University was founded in February 1977"
and the second from:
:;  and  (Pages contain listed degree programs as section titles.)
You want specific citations?  How's this? JesseW, the juggling janitor 03:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added. —Centrx→talk • 06:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Degrees offered 

message: For sanity and because it was primarily a version of the page which I had worked towards which was described as "unsourced, defamatory and/or libelous," I'm stepping away from participation in this article and talk page, at minumum until BradPatrick helps me understand when I went wrong. I don't think this is a big deal, it will hopefully let me work on more important things, and JesseW seems to have adopted the page anyway, which is a good thing. The only reason I mention it is that there's at least one unresolved matter from the old talk page (second to last item). I quote myself:
PWU's website says "Note: Pacific Western University, located in San Diego, CA, is an independent, privately owned university that is not associated with any other college or university" . 
Ironically, therefore, the only sentence I know to be "unsourced, defamatory, and/or libelous" from the old page is the first sentence, which remains in the current article. The clause "with branch campuses in Tokyo, Japan, Hong Kong, Taipei, Taiwan and Hanoi, Vietnam" should probably be removed from that sentence. - Sirmob 12:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over and out 

message: Could someone please sort this article into a more suitable stub category? I would recommend the use of . --Stemonitis 12:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. —Centrx→talk • 15:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub sorting 

message: Not sure why there's any question about this place. It's known to be a diploma mill as they sell degrees for money based on "life experience." It's appeared in Congressional testimony as fraudulent. It's on numerous state watch lists as fraudulent. You have the aforementioned Australian judge under fire for having a degree from here. You have Barry McSweeney, the Irish government's chief science adviser, who was fired after it was revealed he had his "doctorate" from this institution. If they're legit, then I'm Milton Berle. Skurczysyn 15:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's as may be, but we'd need sources.  I have added  for now, as this is verifiable. Guy 22:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This school is an unaccredited, fee-for-degree school

message: "Degrees issued by the former Pacific Western University in Hawaii are not from the same entity as the current PWU of California. Employers should verify which entity issued any PWU degree." . 
I think in light of this information we should take out the whole "Controversey" section and add a new sentence to the end of "Accrediation Status" that says 
:: A Hawaiian company named Pacific Western University was sued in 1997  and again in 2006  for engaging in deceptive business practices by falsely advertising its programs as officially authorized by the state. According to the State of Oregon, this school is not affiliated with the Pacific Western University in California .
Ultimately, it seems like there needs to be a separate page on Pacific Western University in Hawaii... Egads, I wonder which one the congressional reports were talking about, and which one Einfeld graduated from! Sirmob 17:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yipes! There *ARE* two! 

message: My edit here unfortunately included a mistaken delete of what I thought was an unsourced claim. The link I added ends with the same numbers and I didn't notice that the other numbers were different. I thus thought I had the same article, and it didn't support the claim, so I deleted it. My bad. I see that it has now been restored as it should be. My apologies. It was an honest mistake. -- Fyslee 20:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oops! 

message: Kent County Levy Court Commissioner Donald A. Blakey’s doctoral degree from an institution labeled a diploma mill by congressional investigators has become an issue in Blakey’s race for the 34th District House seat against Democrat M. Jeanine Kleimo.
Kleimo says it is a “misrepresentation” for Blakey to tout his doctoral degree from Pacific Western University, a nonaccredited institution now owned by a Florida chiropractor.
This should be included. Arbusto 07:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congress race 

message: I have asked Danny for approval to reinsert the  template, since that is a neutral statement of the verifiable fact that this is not an accredited institution.  Right now the stub fails to give probably the single most important fact about the institution, at least as measured from external coverage. Guy 13:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unaccredited 

message: Any problems with this being dated? Rich Farmbrough, 23:02 3  December 2006 (GMT).
:I`m not sure what the point of "please help cleanup" tags  is on an office protected page. Almost no one is supposed to edit office-protected pages anyways,so why ask people to help add refrences? 24.20.69.240 23:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced tag

message: Not sure why this article has been on such lockdown for almost four months, but there are plenty of citations that the California-based PWU was unaccredited:
"Pacific Western University, an unaccredited correspondence school in Los Angeles."
Associated Press (July 24, 1987) Columnist Investigated By New York Officials.
See also:
Staff report (August 31, 1994). California Trying to Close Worthless-Diploma Schools. New York Times
Some editors have compiled well-sourced reliable citations for PWU's accreditation status. Any chance we can incorporate some of that this year? Can we also remove the NPOV and unreferenced tags? There's nothing in that which violates NPOV. Jokestress 17:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. My opinion is that having an article for PWU on WP and NOT mentioning that it is unaccredited is misleading and could serve to deceive potential students that come to Wikipedia to investigate PWU before enrolling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bill Huffman (talk • contribs) 21:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonaccredited