Talk:Việt Nam Quốc Dân Đảng

message: Administrator, beware that the page is vandalized by hackers, and should be reverted to its original state as soon as possible.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanlei1991 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: For what it's worth, as I understand it, the word is often treated as a proper noun, and so capitalized.  See dictionary.reference.com, where some dictionaries capitalize, others not.  I see that WP:MOS is silent on the issue.  I'll ping Tony. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 08:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To me, it's more comfortable as a common noun, like other ideologies and philosophies that aren't derived from a proper noun (such as Christianity is); cf Keynsianism vs. capitalism, and Marxism vs. communism. TONY (talk) 09:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Communism 

message: AFAIK, this party is rarely referred to as Viet Quoc in modern usage.  It's always referred to by its full name or its abbreviation VNQDD. DHN (talk) 20:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The party's homepage, linked in the article, uses "Viet Quoc". See also here, here, and here for examples of current use. VNQDD is a really long and unwieldly abbreviation which I would not use unless it was so common as to be unavoidable. But VNQDD gives you only 226 de-ghosted English language hits on Google -- hardly common usage. "Viet Quoc" gives you tons of hits, but they are not mostly about the party. Kauffner (talk) 03:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I mentioned in your talk page, "Viet Quoc" is sometimes used, but probably most often when mentioning it in conjunction with the other competing parties - Viet Minh and Viet Cach - for the sake of parallelism. DHN (talk) 04:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

text: All the history books use the VNQDD or the full name. The current version of the political party is not so relevant since the political party is basically dead for all intents and purposes and probably isn't even registered as a political party in the US or anywhere else. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 03:33, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Vietnamese version of this article uses "Việt Quốc" all the way through, never VNQDD. In common speech, would anyone ever say, "I am a member of VNQDD"? It strikes me as an artifical usage. Kauffner (talk) 05:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true that nobody would say "VNQDD" in common speech; they'd say "Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang", which as unwieldy as it looks, is only 5 syllables. Note that "Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang" is a set phrase, as it uses Sino-Vietnamese word order that was often used when Chinese characters had some relevance - if the name was converted to modern terminology, it would be "Dang Quoc Dan Viet Nam", but nobody would use that.  DHN (talk) 07:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

text: That's because you changed it. The FA version and the books all use VNQDD. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 05:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was talking about the Vietnamese language version here. I gave two RS examples of Viet Quoc above. Kauffner (talk) 05:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion.  That article used "Viet Quoc" about less than half of the time, and only used when it's being juxtaposed with another competing party - Viet Minh and Viet Cach.  Another unrelated party, Dai Viet Quoc Dan Dang, also happens to have the name "Viet Quoc" in its name, is also discussed in the article. DHN (talk) 05:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

text:  I only see one link I would consider a reliable source, the news agency.  Anyway, I concur that the article's current wording (full name or "VNQDD") is preferred. --Laser brain (talk) 05:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The style books, such as AP or Chicago, all recommend using abbreviations only for common items. The Wikipedia style article has a list of the items considered common enough to warrant abbreviation. It doesn't say you can't abbreviate other things, but making such a list would be pointless if you can abbreviate just any old thing. In the context of Wikipedia articles on Vietnam, "VNQDD" can't be considered a common item. It's not even common as a Google search term. It's pretty much just for this article. Kauffner (talk) 06:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I performed a Google search for "VNQDD" and got more than 7000 results.  A Google Book search yielded almost 600 results for VNQDD and 600 for "Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang". A Google Book search for "Viet Quoc" yielded 210 results, most of those referring to the "Dai Viet Quoc Dan Dang", an unrelated party operating concurrently as the VNQDD. DHN (talk) 06:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

text: 7000? You have to deghost by going to the end of the list. It's 422 hits after deghosting. A lot of those are Vietnamese language. For English, its 226 deghosted, like I wrote above. The books results show only that the abbreviation is used specialists. Kauffner (talk) 07:20, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Google only calculates unique hits based on the results of the first 1000 hits, so its unique results will always be under 1000. You can test this by searching common terms like "obama" or "britney spears". In my own reading on the Vietnam War, I can't remember ever seeing the VNQDD referred to as the Viet Quoc. --Groggy Dice T | C 22:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undiscussed move 

message: I've semi-protected for seven days. The move protection (sysop only) will need to be restored to infinite when it expires. --ROGER DAVIES talk 15:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: This page lists socialism as one of VNQDD's ideologies. I think it's quite wrong. Please provide proofs. If not I demand for a change. Trinh Bao Ngoc
:See Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang#Formation and keep in mind that Socialism (Chủ Nghĩa Xã Hội) isn't Communism (Xã hội Chủ Nghĩa).--Amore Mio (talk) 03:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you misunderstand the meaning of Socialism. I didn't said that Socialism is Communism. And can you point me what Republicanism is?--Amore Mio (talk) 09:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything is sourced. YellowMonkey  (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideology 

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:Please do not use two accounts Trinhbaongoc, and undo your fourth revert. YellowMonkey  (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:12, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral Point of View 

message: There were two different VNQDD parties which used exactly the same name. One founded in 1924 by Phan Boi Chau in Canton with support from Chinese Kuomintang members, and another founded in 1927 in Hanoi.
http://books.google.com/books?id=lu_TB0X8B4YC&pg=PA258&lpg=PA258&dq=vietnamese+kuomintang&source=bl&ots=ZB1JJqZgJK&sig=2o1k1TyRQOuwTT57zpCXy1QkhVU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Opr3U-ygB8jmoATh1IHwBg&ved=0CE4Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=vietnamese%20kuomintang&f=false
20:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two different VNQDD parties 

message: This article says the party's political position is centre-right to right-wing yet it also says the party's ideology is democratic socialism. Is anyone else confused? Charles Essie (talk) 14:47, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Right-wing? 

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