Talk:National anthem of Russia

message: I am aware that the melody to God Save the Queen was indeed used, however was the anthem simply transplanted from Britain in its entirety? 24.10.139.96 07:32, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The music stayed the same, but the lyrics changed. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that it was "God Save the King" at the time.  Queen Anne died in 1714, and the next Queen Regnant was Victoria who acceded in 1837. JackofOz 05:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  God save the queen? 

message: This is a great national anthem.  I'm not Russian but I'm feeling patriotic! -Taco325i 03:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, I am glad. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The Soviet government had it from 1918 until 1944, but you are correct on that. I have sources that say from 1918 until replaced by the all familiar tune we know and love. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awesome 

message: : When the anthem is played, all headgear must be removed
Does this apply to only men, or women too?  —Michael Z. 2006-07-24 03:42 Z
:Both. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard of such a thing! It's doubtful... AllexGER (talk) 14:43, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women's headgear 

message: .... and in rich in resources... This does not look right. The first "in" should not be there, so I'm deleting it.
:Go ahead. If you see any more grammar issues, just go ahead and fix it; you don't need to tell us :) User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor grammar problem 

message: I have found at People's Daily in Chinese that some people disagreeing the once-Soviet melody have vowed not to stand up for the Russian Anthem used now. As I cannot readily find this kind of report in English (I cannot read Russian), I am wondering if there is any definite penalty for willfully failing to stand up for the Anthem. It will be much better to get a reliable English newsreport about this.--Jusjih 17:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm one of these people, and I roam free so far:) There's no punishment for this (probably, not yet). MaxSem 19:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The most I have seen, penalty wise, for the anthem in any situation is a public scolding of the Russian football team by Putin and that is it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Jamestown Foundation has an article here, so I, not a Russian, have used its external link to add people vowing not to stand up for the anthem. I plan to use the People's Daily report for Chinese Wikipedia.--Jusjih 14:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine with me, since I have also seen reports that people refuse to either stand up for the anthem or sing the lyrics for it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  People vowing not to stand up for the Anthem 

message: Is there an English hymn sung to this music? I know the tune. Is there something really similar I could be confusing it with? Njál 01:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is not an English hymn that I can think of, but here are two guess: the English recording by Paul Robeson or the song Go West by the Pet Shop Boys. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: There's also Hymn (Ultravox song), whose melody does bear a striking resemblance to the anthem. So this could be why it sounds familiar to you, and perhaps even your use of the word "hymn". --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: Anyone else think the translation is not very good?  It seems overly mechanical and certainly not at all poetic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.59.83 (talk) 19:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation? 

message: ::: No one in Germany advocates redoing lyrics for Nazi music. Why do the Russians feel differently about retread Communist music? An explanation could help the article.
Suggestion: when you hear it, cheerfully sing along, using the 1944 lyrics praising Stalin. 209.93.106.240 (talk) 00:39, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well, which is best then?!

message: I noticed that both Soviet and Russian versions of the chorus lyrics started with Славься, Отечество наше свободное. I have read that decision for the line to be carried to the Russian anthem was delibrate-- No source to support, however-- so I wonder if the current translation of that line Be glorious, our free Fatherland should change to the more well-known Soviet version of Sing to the Motherland, home of the free? --Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 02:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor translation recommendation 

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thread_title:  FAR [[National Anthem of Russia]] 

message: The link takes you to a cached version of the page that's been translated into Spanish with Google Translate. Is it really worth keeping? Duke Atreides (talk) 23:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voinovich's parody 

message: Hi, Following a request at the Guild of Copy Editors, I have started to do a copy edit of this article. Under "Historic anthems", third paragraph, I need clarification on this sentence:
Before Lenin's arrival to Russia, the Internationale was not well known to the Russian people. 
- What does "Before Lenin's arrival to Russia" mean? Arrival from where? Arrival onto the political scene? If anyone can shed some light on this, the sentence can be improved. Unfortunately, I have only been able to work up to the section on "Lyrics". I will have to do the rest another time. -- S Masters (talk) 17:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Lenin was exiled, then returned to Russia to take control of the revolutionary forces. Vladimir_Lenin#Revolutionary will give some insight. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:51, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, OK. Then the sentence should read: "Before Lenin's return to Russia from exile, the Internationale was not well known to the Russian people," -- S Masters (talk) 18:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the section "Patrioticheskaya Pesnya", the first sentence is not clear: "With the fall of the Soviet Union approaching, a new national anthem was needed to go against the claims of what was left of the Soviet Union." What claims are these? That the SU is now weak? - The sentence is grammatically incorrect. We can correct it once the part about the claims is clarified. -- S Masters (talk) 04:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that a new anthem was needed to reject the Soviet past. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've rewritten it to say: "With the fall of the Soviet Union approaching, a new national anthem was needed to redefine the reorganized nation, and to reject the Soviet past." -- S Masters (talk) 04:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now completed up to "Call for lyrics" but will have to stop. -- S Masters (talk) 05:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine, take your time. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Now up to "Modern adoption". (I have to stop again. I'm just making notes of where I stop in case someone else from GOCE takes over). -- S Masters (talk) 09:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. I also suggest looking at the FAC to see the concerns some people have. I need to make a note for you about the music itself, so...I will do that later. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 15:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I will have a look at it. -- S Masters (talk) 05:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have completed the copy edit. I have also made changes as suggested in the FAC. There may be other clarifications required in this article. My job is not to change the content, but to ensure correct grammar, consistency, clarity if required, and compliance with WP:MoS. If there are other issues that I can help with, let me know. Cheers. -- S Masters (talk) 11:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Putin said that a new national anthem was needed for Russia and that, along with the adoption of the state flag and emblem, should be a top priority for the country.
Does he mean that they need to pick a new anthem, new flag, and a new emblem? ...or does this mean that choosing a national anthem is as important as the other two? Did they already have the other two when they went anthem shopping?
Btw: Hi, S Masters. :) 
J.M. Archer (talk) 22:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Yes, Putin wanted the issue of the state symbols settled when he first took office in 2000. He wanted a new anthem, but did not make much comments about a new flag or coat of arms. The end result was to keep the 1991 flag and arms, but use the Soviet anthem. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi, J.M. Archer, nice to meet you and great to see you here. :-) -- S Masters (talk) 05:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Bill. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:42, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

text: In a November session of the Federation Council, Putin stated that a new national anthem was just as important for Russia as a new flag and coat of arms and that the selection of a national anthem should be a top priority for the country.
If this is not accurate, I goofed, so please let me know.
J.M. Archer (talk) 15:13, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

text: 24-hour clock requires a colon as per WP:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Time of day. I have corrected this. -- S Masters (talk) 16:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. :) J.M. Archer (talk) 17:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major copy edit 

message: The "Lyrics" section regarding the 1944 anthem begins with "After selecting the music by Alexandrov for the anthem, Stalin needed the lyrics rewritten." I don't understand what this means, namely the meaning of "rewritten". Was there some other text that came along with Alexandrov's music, that was used before the Mikhalkov/El Registan text? The preceding section does not say anything about that... Nsk92 (talk) 21:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The only text that was previously used was the Hymn of the Bolshevik Party and "Life Has Become Better," the second statement "He thought the anthem was short and, because of the Great Patriotic War, it needed a statement about the Red Army going on to defeat Fascist Germany" is the main reason why the lyrics needed to be redone. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But were the Hymn of the Bolshevik Party and/or "Life Has Become Better" used as lyrics for Alexandrov's music? Nsk92 (talk) 06:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Those were the songs that used Alexandrov's tune that eventually became the anthem. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  1944 anthem lyrics 

message: I'm sorry to ruin some people's world view, but there isn't a word "motherland" in Russian ("Родина" means birthplace literally), while both "Отечество" and "Отчизна" mean clearly "Fatherland" from "Отец" - "Father". Even in the reference website (http://www.montreal.mid.ru/inf_symb_e.html) there is an official translation with the word "Fatherland" in it, and yet on this Wiki page someone frantically keeps changing official "Fatherland" to this "Motherland"-nonsense. What is it if not a vandalism? 81.27.58.250 (talk) 17:28, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If the above is accurate, then State_Anthem_of_the_Soviet_Union should be updated accordingly, as it uses Motherland rather than Fatherland exclusively. Someone who speaks Russian (and can attest to the fact :p) should correct both articles accordingly. --TwoWholeWorms (talk) 23:35, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's "Fatherland", not "Motherland". 

message: I would like to draw people's attention to the subtitled lyrics included in the infobox video. Only two lines are included: "Russia, our big drinking fountain" and "Russia, our large pissy cup!" While amusing, this may not exactly be in line with the expected standards for the page. However, I have neither the energy nor the required skills to change this, so I shall leave it to the community to do with this information what they will. Mister Zoo (talk) 21:07, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joke Lyric Subtitles in the Infobox Video 

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message: The section in the article states:
Another musical work has also been discovered, with identical or near-identical music, that long predates Alexandrov's 1943 involvement with the Anthem of the USSR. A Ukrainian Scouting (Plast) anthem from c. 1912, with music composed by Yuriy Piasećkiy (Юрій Пясецький) known as "Plastovy Obit" (Пластовий Oбіт - The Plast Oath), to lyrics by Plast founder Oleksander Tysovsky (Oлександр Тисовський) has been noted by Plast members to bear an extremely close or identical resemblance to the later Russian/Soviet anthem. The music and words are found in various Plast handbooks and songbooks, and a performance of this song in 2012 can be viewed on YouTube. The first line reads: "V pozhezhakh vsesvitnykh, u lunakh kryvavykh" - "В пожежах всесвітних, у лунах кривавих". The Piasetsky-Tysovsky anthem actually glorifies the Ukrainian independence movement, which had the support of the Plast organization.[28]
I believe this is the music the editor is referring to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeg94cqzeGs
I have listened to this piece of music and found that it is not identical or near identical - in fact it has nothing in common with the Russian Anthem - unlike a section of Vasily Kalinnikov's Ouverture «Bylina» - which in fact is near identical. Reaper7 (talk) 22:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we remove original research on Ukranian origin? Just seems bizarre. 

message: Per WP:RUS the current version is correct. The IP is editing in contradiction of that guideline. MarnetteD|Talk 01:19, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: IP edits

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replies: text: National anthem of Russia →  – For consistency with State Anthem of the Soviet Union, this is also the official name for the anthem with capitalization for every word of the proper noun, other article titles about the anthems of other countries use their official name just like "The Star-Spangled Banner" not "", "Lupang Hinirang" not "", and "Meniŋ Qazaqstanym" not "" PyroFloe (talk) 04:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
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message: I made changes to the text of the translation in English and here's why:
"Твоё достоянье" [Tvoyo dostoyanye] not quite right to translate as "Your property". This word does have the meaning of "property inherited from ancestors", BUT in this case it's not about the land or something! It is used in the meaning of the acquired some qualities! "Will" and "glory" are not things - it's the qualities [from ancestors]! 
The word "достоянье" [dostoyanye] is impossible to accurately translate into English, since there is no single word that is close in meaning. Here the value is closer to "dignity, merit".
The word "Славься" [slavsya] in Russian is not a welcome form. The word "Hail" not good here at all! "Славься" - in this case is much more accurate like "будь в славе, будь прославленным (be in glory, be glorified)". 
In the Soviet anthem the the same words "Славься Отечество" was translated as "Sing to the Fatherland".
"наша верность Отчизне" [nasha vernost Otchizne] is incorrectly translated as "our loyalty to the Fatherland"! The word "верность" [vernost] here is the meaning of "преданность (fidelity, devotion)". In Russian language there is a word "лояльность (loyalty)" with the same meaning as in English, but it is not used in the hymn.
"Одна ты на свете! Одна ты такая — Хранимая Богом родная земля!" [Odna ty na svete! Odna ty takaya — Khranimaya Bogom rodnaya zemlya!] It is a little more complicated here, since it is not explicitly stated, but only the meaning is implied... It consists in the fact that the country is not "the only one kept by God", but "the only one [SO] kept by God." The word "хранимая Богом" is can be translated like "protected" but more precisely to say "kept". 
The meaning "You are the only one in the world! You are the only one - the native land protected by God!" - is conveyed only by a literal translation, without a complete notional translation!
This version of the hymn translation still not poetically accurate. AllexGER (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccuracy in translation 

message: From the article: Public perception of the anthem is positive among Russians. A 2009 poll showed that 56% of respondents felt proud when hearing the national anthem, and that 25% liked it.
The reference given now 404s so I can't confirm the survey results, but as written this doesn't exactly sound like positive perception if only 25% "like" it. Should it rather read, "56% felt proud, and an additional 25% liked it"?
 82.22.121.70 (talk) 82.22.121.70 (talk) 14:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity