Talk:Electronic art music

message: Note as of August 25, 2007: The copyright status of the article has changed, due to changes in content.
See  this section below for further discussion. --Parsifal Hello 20:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which presumably means reverting to the edit from before that, and then reinstating any salvageable material added since then...? –Unint 03:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Unless the author actually gave explicit permission or posted the article herself (doubtful) - I'll attempt to contact the author so that this issue can be resolved, but otherwise, all this "great" content is copied word for word. -asmadeus 14:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be better to delete and start again if the article is mostly a copyvio. --kingboyk 00:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be a shame to delete it - even if it's against the rules. Hang on. Contacting the original author for permisison. -asmadeus 00:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In continental Europe, we have just the term "Electronic music" that refers to the classical avantgarde movements and forms, the term "electronic art music" is used only in (some) US based universities, or am I wrong? We used (before Wikipedia era) electronic rock, synthpop or technopop, to refer to the use of electronics in popular music forms.Doktor Who 01:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important : This article may include some copyrighted material 

message: Now that written permission has been obtained to repost the chapter on History of Electronic Music (see above), I propose that we move out this very well written section into its own article titled History of Electronic Music, allowing separate article for Electronic Art Music as well as other articles related to electronic music to link into the history section. -asmadeus 16:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds good.--Doktor Who 23:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for creation of History of Electronic Music (1) 

message: The dictionary term definition of classical Electronic Music originating in 1930 is "electronically produced sounds recorded on tape and arranged by the composer to form a musical composition." [electronic music. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/electronic music (accessed: August 18, 2007).]
reference: electronic music. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/electronic music (accessed: August 18, 2007
I try to work this into the article but it was remove twice. It was remove because it is wrong? How is wrong? The source is very good dictionary definition... How to can I write so you happy with it? Please someone help me write better English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Susume-eat (talk • contribs) 
:OK, I've added it in to the history section at the correct year, you can see it at this link: at its place in the article, and you can see the diff here, where I made the edit.  It fits there because that section is about when tape recorders started being used and when synthesizers were invented.
:Also, look at how I formatted the reference so it appears in the footnotes section effectively.  
:I noticed you changed the first paragraph again and lost valuable information.  Please stop doing that.  I helped you include your text as you requested, now please help the rest of us by respecting our work.    --Parsifal Hello 07:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph definition 

message: Have the copyright issues above with Bassingthwaighte's dissertation been resolved satisfactorily?
Most importantly, the original text still states "all rights reserved"; the request for permission to use the text doesn't seem to have been filed with the OTRS; and, what's more, the author never actually gives permission in the email quoted.
I guess the most straightforward thing to do would be to write the author again, ask for an explicit statement, and do the routine OTRS procedure; however, I don't know how much of this Asmadeus, who sent the email, actually did. And he hasn't been active recently. –Unint 19:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright, follow-up 

message: I found several references for the term "electronic art music" and added them to the page, also moved the page back to the consensed version of the title.  Those references also fit into some of the historical sections of the article, so they provided value in mutliple ways.
The several electronic music top level articles still need to be better organized, but at least this title has support now from sources.  We should consider that the main electronic music article overlaps with this one and with several of the "popular" electronic music articles pages, and also that there is lack of clarity regarding the evolution of the electronic musical instruments vs the composers' history.  On one hand, it seems those should be separate articles, then again, because the equipment was evolving along with the composers, and their work arose out of the new equipment available, it's hard to separate the two.  Yet we have separate articles with parallel tracks currently, so this still needs thought and improved organization.  Also, one more point, none of these articles clearly address recent developments in electronic equipment, that might be in the computer music article or other places, but also, there is contemporary electronic art music happening today, breaking new ground; and so far we don't have anything about that as far as I can see.  
Plenty more to do, that's for sure! --Parsifal Hello 02:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your positive perspective.  I didn't realize the name of that band was from a play, that was an interesting read! --Parsifal Hello 20:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a band called Merdre? I guess I can't say I'm surprised. There are so many bands out there, it must be hard to find a name that isn't already taken. As for a positive perspective, I am simply following some good advice found on another editor's talk page: "Please. Thank you. I'm sorry. You're welcome. You're a good person and I know we'll work this out. Treat your fellow editor as a respected and admired colleague, who is working in collaboration with you on an important project."--Jerome Kohl 22:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi - Yes, that is good advice indeed!   The band name I was referring to isn't Merdre, though I could see someone using that.  I was referring to this group: Pere Ubu (band). They're mainly a rock band, but they're influenced by  experimental and musique concrète, so I thought that was a good fit with the topic of this article, even though they're in the rock realm.  --Parsifal Hello 01:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I freely admit to being a complete nincompoop where pop bands are concerned, I have actually heard of the one called Père Ubu. Never heard a single note of their actual music, so far as I am aware, but anything is possible, I suppose. If there actually is a band called "Merdre", I imagine it would have to be a punk band with a sense of irony—I mean, to call yourself "sounds like 'shit'"?--Jerome Kohl 06:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not familiar with Père Ubu's music either, just recognized the name.  Merdre would definitely be a punk band - with a sense of humor!  --Parsifal Hello 06:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: references added

message: The invention of FM synthesis doesn't belong in the section on MIDI. It belongs in the missing -- equally important to art music -- section of this article which briefly the development and role of various sound synthesis methods. FM would fit into that, along with additive, subtractive, granular, et.al. and links to the respective articles. Twang 05:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs SYNTHESIS METHODS section 

message: I will give up, there is too much of the vandalism and ugliness of editing of this man. To researchers of the future I beg you, please look into this man's crank vandalisms. I am so angry Bastard--Susume-eat 05:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion none in the real world cares very much of this site; otherwise, how would you explain why it is such a big crap and why there is just one strange wording style that i've never read before. (in this case, I mean that the heading of this article doesnt sound enciclopedic at all: it should begin with "electronic art music is" not refers to. It is meant to be an enciclopedic entry or a dictionary one?). Anw, I'll be away for a very long time, I'm too busy, sorry. Goodbye.--Doktor Who 17:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
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