Talk:Liberty

message: I’m not sure that the first sentence correctly captures the definition of liberty:
Liberty, in politics, consists of the social, political, and economic freedoms to which all community members are entitled.[1] 
I suspect that this is a definition of civil liberties, not liberty, as implied by the reference given.
I think someone with more precise knowledge than I have should take a look. Please. DouglasBell (talk) 18:59, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of liberty 

message: Change from--John Stuart Mill (1806–1873), in his work, On Liberty, was the first to recognize the difference between liberty as the freedom to act and liberty as the absence of coercion.[12] In his book Two Concepts of Liberty, Isaiah Berlin formally framed the differences between these two perspectives as the distinction between two opposite concepts of liberty: positive liberty and negative liberty. The latter designates a negative condition in which an individual is protected from tyranny and the arbitrary exercise of authority, while the former refers to the liberty that comes from self-mastery, the freedom from inner compulsions such as weakness and fear.[13]
:Change to--John Stuart Mill (1806–1873), in his work, On Liberty, was the first to recognize the difference between liberty as the freedom to act and liberty as the absence of coercion.[12] 
:Change to--In his book Two Concepts of Liberty, Isaiah Berlin formally framed the differences between these two perspectives as the distinction between two opposite concepts of liberty: positive liberty and negative liberty. The latter designates a negative condition in which an individual is protected from tyranny and the arbitrary exercise of authority, while the former refers to the liberty that comes from self-mastery, the freedom from inner compulsions such as weakness and fear.[13]
::Very different attitudes--Today Mill is social political in context-cited, Berlin meta-philosophical-cited.Arnlodg (talk) 19:47, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separated Mill from Berlin in Philosophy content 

message: I felt article Islamic_literature is in bit of neglect so I added my note on talk page there, requesting to take note of Talk:Islamic_literature#Article_review. If possible requesting copy edit support. Suggestions for suitable reference sources at  Talk:Islamic_literature is also welcome. 
Posting message here too for neutrality sake
Thanks and greetings
Bookku (talk) 07:59, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Requesting wider attention

message: 174.103.119.30 and I disagree on whether adding to the first sentence in the article " or a right or immunity enjoyed by prescription or by grant (i.e. privilege)" is helpful. It seems to me both awkward and incorrect, but I have no desire to get involved in an edit war, so I hope others will weight in. Rick Norwood (talk) 23:57, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  174.103.119.30 edit 

message: I've just edited the caption on the Liberty Bell picture, which previously read "The Liberty Bell is an international icon of liberty."
This assertion was debated several times on the Liberty Bell page (Talk:Liberty_Bell/Archive_1#International, Talk:Liberty_Bell/Archive_1#International_Yet_Again, Talk:Liberty_Bell/Archive_1#Perception_abroad) and as far as I can see no-one ever substantiated the assertion that the Liberty Bell is recognised as an icon of liberty anywhere except the United States.  The Liberty Bell article finally settled in a state without the claim, and it doesn't currently seem to be substantiated either in this article or that one.
This seems to be a WP:GLOBAL issue; please don't restore this claim without strong non-US sources.
(Also, we currently head this article with two US images - there is probably a case for replacing one with something like Marianne/Liberty Leading the People, Magna Carta, or another international example; though I suppose one could argue the statue is part-French.) TSP (talk) 10:37, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Having looked at the history, the bell has only been in the lead since April - I've done a general rearrangement of images and moved the bell to the US section, supplanting the liberty dollar (which is a good image but there were too many US images for the amount of US content). TSP (talk) 11:53, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberty Bell - global perspective