Talk:Korean cuisine/Archive 1

message: Hey, does anybody have any information on the dish called "Jhampong"?  I used to eat it from the Korean stall at an Asian food court and it was not mentioned anywhere in the noodles section.  Don't even know if it is truly authentic Korean food but I would guess that it is. --Indigest 22:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sold in Korean version of Chinese restaurants and it's really a Korean variation of Chinese dish, so you're not going to find it in any true Chinese restaurants.  I heard, but not verified, that it was developed by a Chinese national in Korea and that's why some Korean mistake it as Chinese dish, much like Americans think fortune cookie is Chinese cookie (but invented in California).  If go to a Korean restaurant (not really authentic ones), there's a good chance that they have it.  It's probabaly listed as Sam son jjamppong, more expensive version of jjampong.  --Santaria360 07:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Are you talking about jjamppong?  Otherwise I don't recognize the dish. YooChung 23:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: See my research on chao ma mian below on this talk page.  It is the same thing.  Kowloonese 01:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jhampong

message: Badagnani, it's not a good idea to delete someone's contribution. If you don't like it you can redistribute or modify it. You're acting like you own this article.
:To what are you referring?  Badagnani 22:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of text

message: Regarding the recent edit on Budae Jjigae, I agree with most all the edits.  They're an improvement.  But I doubt that ramen noodles were standard U.S. Army surplus during and soon after the Korean War, when budae jjigae was invented. Zenpickle 15:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Budae jjigae

message: I read in a book that Thailand is the second largest consumer, and that even the rest of Southeast Asia would put Greeks, Italians and Spaniards to shame.
I'm the one that changes it69.22.13.111 02:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Garlic consumption

message: I've touched up the photos of the bibimbap, dolsot bibimbap, and samgyeopsal.  I wanted to ask the original posters' permissions before uploading the new versions. Zenpickle 23:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: It is customary not to finish all the food provided, in order to show that the eater has been thoroughly satisfied by the meal. 
I'm not sure if it's correct. Where did the author get this information? I haven't tried to leave something. The side dishes remain usually, because it's not of just one person, people at the table eat them TOGETHER. But the rice is yours. You must finish your rice. When a person leave rice not eaten up, he(or she) may be regarded rude. If you think you can't eat your rice, you should start with less rice. --Xaos
: I'm not the author, but this is also what my parents told me about Korea; they lived there for just a couple of years quite a while ago. Perhaps it's a more traditional custom, or varies by region?? I don't know. Wesley
:: I guess it's a cultural misunderstanding. In western food custom, everyone has his(her) own portion in his(her) dish. But in Korean table, only rice (which tastes nothing) and soup(guk) are given to each person, and the several dishes (side dishes) are arraged for EVERYONE. And also, there is other kind of soup called (jjigae, thicker than guk), and it's shared at the center of the table. Korean food custom isn't individualistic, though it's changing. And it's slightly different from that of japanese and chinese. And... we don't make a dish for each meal or each day. Soup should be eaten in a meal or two. But most of dishes are for more than one day. For example, there's Kimjang season, in which a large amount of kimchi for the entire winter is made. I think the stong taste of Korean food originated from the need of keeping them. --Xaos
:::Banchan's are made periodically because most of them are labor intensive and many different spices and flavorings go into them, so you make as much as you can and store them for the week, or even the month.  These dishes are then shared with everybody at the table.  
- Hi, I thought this was a weird phrase to read, too. Perhaps it should be re-worded to reflect the above dialogue. - Guppy 00:31, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Not finishing all food

message: I'd like to move the dog meat thing to Gaegogi controversy -- it has no place here. Comments? --Ed Poor 21:12 Oct 9, 2002 (UTC)
: I agree that it's not so appropriate in this page. But at the same time, I don't like to make it bigger. Hm... What should I do... I'll wait for others' opinion. --Xaos
::Just make the article title Gaegogi: controversial information will be presented factually, possibly under a sub-heading on that page.
::Started a stub. If people don't like it, fix it.
Eating dog meat is frawned upon by the younger Korean generation and is not a common practice like many seem to believe.  Consumption of dog meat does not belong in the "Korean Food" catagory because it implies that dog meat is part of normal "Korean food".  I understand it as a controversy as a person that loves dogs, but i don't get why that was put in as it's own content section other than to draw more controversy.  Some Chinese eat cats and i've read eating dogs is more common practice in China than Korea, yet that's not listed under the "Chinese Food" section. --Brandon
:If you don't believe it belongs in its own section then please suggest where it should be placed.  The consumption of dog meat may be uncommon for young people but not all Koreans are young and the food is still available in many restaurants, and an undeniable part of Korean cuisine.  The repeated wholesale blanking (purging) of the section does not improve the article's educational value.  Badagnani 21:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I propose it being under dog meat section which already exist in Wikipedia.  I don't see how you can claim it as a undeniable part of Korean cuisine.  --Santaria360 22:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Are you claiming dog meat was not (and does not continue to be) part of Korean cuisine?  That is an untenable statement that likely comes from your own personal point of view, that you would prefer Koreans not to do this.  But many of them did, and do.  The French cuisine article mentions their consumption of horse meat and so should the Korean cuisine article mention the consumption of dog meat.  People are interested in this subject, so we should make the information available to readers. I am sure that it is made clear in the paragraph that such consumption is relatively uncommon in the present day.  Badagnani 22:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I sense ulterior motive in you wanting this in the article?  Have you been to Korea?  I sense you probably have, maybe working as an English teach and probably had bad experience there, i could be wrong...  When did I say in my statements at all that no Koreans eat dog meat?? I even said that i was ashamed some do... The problem with this that it is a controversial topic even in Korea and there are numerous posters and websites dedictated to ending the practice.  You say people are interested in this subject and so you should make the information available, yet the information is already available in the dog meat section (pretty detailed information)... You mention that under the French cuisine it mentions horse meat.  Yes, there is one line: "Horse meat is available from special butcher stores, but few people consume it." not a whole section.  Plus eating horse isn't frawned upon as much and it's even done in US.  The problem with the comparison is that dogs are common pet that people often have and we all had interactions with it.  People respect dogs for their personality, intelligence, and their ability to bond with humans.  In US alone, over 50% of household have either cat or a dog as a pet.  On the other hand, horses aren't as widely known to many people.  If you think is absurd for me to say that ranking certain animals as more accepted to eat then others, all i have to say is dog and cow... The thing is, we as people value companionship and intelligence the most in animals and that's why there are protests again dog eating, whale hunting, and dolphin killings... You say many Koreans do eat dogs and like i said before, what is many?  Do you have certain number or percentage?  I'm korean and i do not know any other Koreans that had dog meat and I've been to Korea many times and only saw dog restaurant once in a backstreet with no signs.  Like i've said before Korean food is huge part of Korean culture and to include such a controversial topic you don't understand to make it seem it's "widely available" is offensive.  i have no problem of removing horse meat from French cuisine, but i do have problem with controversial dog meat listed as korean food when cat eating isn't listed in chinese food or dolphine and whale in Japanese food.  This doesn't belong.  You say it's for education, well there's a section for it, so take your hate for Koreans somewhere else. --Santaria360 03:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: You should be very careful about "guessing" the backgrounds, intents, or "ulterior motives" of other editors.  Since you must know, I have never been to Korea but eat Korean food often in the United States, have many Korean friends, and am an ethnomusicologist who has for nearly 15 years studied traditional Korean music, primarily ancient genres such as aak and Munmyo jeryeak.  If I disliked Korean culture, as you say (quite offensively, I might add) I doubt I would have made the thousands of edits I have, and created many articles on Korean foods and musical instruments (look through the page histories and you will see this).  I am also a vegan.  As is our practice here, I do not allow my personal views of subjects to influence my manner of discussion of these subjects in the Wikipedia articles I edit.   Badagnani 03:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have never been to korea yet you claim to know that "many" consume dogs in Korea and it's "widely available"?? You just lost all credibility right there because what you know is from hearsay.  Is that what you do as a ethnomusicologist, just go by what other people say?  You eat Korean food often and i guess that makes you an expert on dog eating huh?  How many of those korean restaurants you went to served dogs?  You have many Korean friends?  What is many and how many of them offered you dog or eat dogs themselves?  Do you have enough korean friend sample size for your "widely available" theory to be statistically relevent?  You are right, i should be careful about "guessing background" and really my intent was to find out what you really know about Korean dog eating habits, which turns out to be nothing.  Really just tell me one good reason this section belongs when other controversial foods for other countries is left out?  --Santaria360 03:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Your paragraph above comes across as very angry.  The fact that I disagree with you that discussion of dog meat should be eliminated (censored) from the Korean cuisine article does not give you license to denigrate me as an editor and as a person.  Further, you did not apologize for claiming that I "hate" Korean culture.  Further, you are insulting my integrity as an editor.  I don't believe I can continue to discuss with you until you are able to calm down and discuss in a cool manner.  Please try to have a cup of tea and we will talk when you are able to discuss in a less confrontational manner.  Badagnani 04:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am calm and cool as ice.  You are dodging the question why it's ok for dog eating should be left in for Korean Cuisine section while other nation's controversial eating habits are left out.  Since you are dodging these questions and i cannot confirm the fact of what you claim to be, i can only assume (which you've done all through the argument) that you hate Korean culture unless you can prove and give me a valid reason otherwise.  And don't give me this education crap because there is section for dog meat and people also should be educated then on other countries, especially since whales and dolphins are endangered.  --Santaria360 04:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Koreans also live in North Korea, which I assume you haven't visited, and also in other parts of Asia, and the world.  Further, you weren't looking for dog meat when you visited South Korea.  If you wanted it, as many Korean people do, you'd know where to get it.  Many of those people who consume it do so because they believe it is good for their health.  They don't consider the dogs used for dog meat as "cute" dogs like household ones, thus this dissociation allows many otherwise nice and friendly people to eat it (as they aren't part of the slaughtering process and don't see this process).  Standards of ethics and belief change over time and perhaps in the past people didn't have the same thinking about dogs in Korea as today.  Badagnani 03:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Every one of the thing you said above is all assumption and you still haven't answered the fact of why it must be in the article when other controversial food in other countries isn't.  Don't be an idiot and say "Koreans also live in North Korea, which I assume you haven't visited"... You haven't been there either and the food listed for Korean cuisine is traditionally S.Korean food.  Everything you know is from hearsay, which when people talk about dog eating, it's mentioned as a negative connotation.  The reason I'm so offended with this is that people like you, or at least people that told you about dog eating make it sound like it's widely available and accepted.  Well, it's not.  It's controversial.  I grew up all my life with dogs and I love dogs more than some people and i'm offended, like many korean dog lovers, because whenever the word Korean and dog is brought up, people largely assume, they meant for consumption.  You have to admit that dog consumption is viewed negatively by rest of the world and that's why in korea there are movements to stop the practice and improve the image of koreans, yet people like you are the problem because you have no idea what you are talking about and you repeat to others that "widely available" is a fact just because you heard it somewhere.  This section is offensive because dog eating is controversial topic, not a Korean culture that people are proud of like rest of the food mentioned.  --Santaria360 04:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I am making an exception from what I said before (as you seem not to have moderated your tone, something you do still need to do) because what you say does need to be corrected.  We have not all been to every country in the world, but even people who live in a particular country do not know everything about that country, and in fact foreigners who study a particular aspect of that country may know more than the person who lives there.  I have found this in regard to particular Asian cuisines; good research by foreign Wikipedia editors can uncover information that even editors within the country didn't know.  That is because we use *sources*.  Valid, reliable *sources* are what we base our work on.  We try not to use hearsay.  In the case of reliable sources, such as those written by scholars or journalists, they didn't just "hear," then "say," but in fact did serious research, then wrote what they found.  In the case of the consumption of dog meat in Korean culture, the BBC has written an article which appears here.  This article is not hearsay, because the BBC is considered one of the most trusted sources in world media. It contains facts and figures which you have not . In fact, your own "evidence" consists of hearsay ("I've been to Korea and haven't seen much bosintang for sale"; "I know a lot of Koreans and they claim they don't eat it," "I love dogs and would never eat one, and hope other Koreans don't do it either," etc.).  Again, I ask that your personal point of view not dictate the content of any article.  We try not to let that influence our work here.  Dog meat is eaten in North Korea (do you deny this?), as I believe the sources will show.  Please look at the article above and address the points it discusses.  If you will not do so, and continue to insist (also without sources) that the consumption of dog meat is extremely rare among Koreans in South Korea and elsewhere, I will assume that you are editing out of emotion and not based on sources.  Badagnani 04:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like I've said for many times, i've never denied the fact that Koreans ate and eat dogs, which is basically what the article from 8 years ago is saying. So, why are you keep trying to tell me what i already know?  The pictures and captions in article actually further prove my point that eating dogs is controversial in Korea and "dog meat is not a traditional Korean food, rather it became part of the diet at a time when Koreans had no other choice."  Like I said many times, Korean food is huge part of Korean culture and dog meat is not a tradition that belongs with bibimbop or jopche.  Now more than ever in Korea, dog eating is more controversial.  The visible fight against the practice isn't something i saw when i was in Korea in 1999.  So, I ask same thing to you that i've been asking since the beginning... When dog eating is something that a minority does that is controversial, why should this be listed with other traditional food when other countries' , notably china and japan, controversial eating habits aren't mentioned?  If you don't "hate" like you say, you must have a good reason for defending it.  
PS.  The article itself isn't without the skewed perception that many try to paint.  "Statistics show that dog is the fourth most popular meat in South Korea after pork, beef and chicken. " Well, considering they are not presenting seafood as "meat", I'm sure most countries have weird "fourth most popular meat" after pork, beef, and chicken (there are really no sheeps in Korea).  --Santaria360 04:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move of dog meat info

message: hi. i have a question about the sauce used for jol myeon (a chili-sauced cold noodle which i've only eaten vegetarian):
is the sauce simply a variation on gochujang (고추장)? is there a standard recipe for this variation (i.e. do variations of this sauce simply add a particular ingredient to gochujang)? also does this have a specific name? and do families usually buy the sauce ready-made or do they prepare it at home?
a further question is how does this sauce differ from the bibimbap condiment?
all answers with be greatly appreciated? thank you very much – ishwar  (speak) 02:36, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: gochujang is just one of the basic ingredients. of course there are many variations, but it is the same mixture as the sauce for bibim nangmyun, with a little more vinegar. basic ingredients: gochujang, sesame oil, gochugaru (pepper powder), soy sauce, mulyeot (starch syrup? corn syrup?), sugar, and vinegar, with garlic and sesame seeds.  these are pretty common ingredients in korean cooking, so i'd say it's still mostly made at home, but you can buy it. good luck :-)Appleby 17:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  hi. i thank you both for your replies. peace – ishwar  (speak) 02:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: question: jol myeon

message: * a comment regarding bibimbap picture: the food looks great, but the bowls and plates look conspicuous, they look more like from Argos catalog shop rather than traditional korean plates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.42.191 (talk • contribs)  01:47, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibimbap photo

message: What happen to the Cookbookwiki External link?
Some user called Linkspammer or something has been going around removing these resources! I think this is equivalent to vandalism! Why remove one external link for spam and keep others when that link was one of the most useful ones! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.232.103.1 (talk • contribs) .
:Sure. As you and I have discussed elsewhere, Cookbookwiki is an external link being spammed by you across Wikipedia. The Wikimedia equivalent is Wikibooks. Shall we keep this type of discussion to the relevant pages? -- Linkspamremover 17:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cookbookwiki External Link? 

message: Please merge the two dog meat sections.  It doesn't make sense to have two sections on the same subject.  Badagnani 04:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog 

message: When I looked up 炒碼麵 (chao ma mian) in Google, I found many pages that say it is a famous Hunan dish.  However, I was told by more than one Mandarin Chinese restaurants that "Chao ma mian" is a Korean dish.  I even saw a sign in a Chinese restaurant which wrote Korean Hangu characters (삼선짬뽕 or 초마면) next to the Chinese menu.  I assume there are two dishes with the same name.  Can someone who know the history of this dish comment on where it comes from?  Thank in advance. Kowloonese 20:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: according to a quick search in korean, the word 짬뽕 derives from the japanese ちゃんぽん, but refers to the same dish as the chinese 초마면, except that the chinese version is not as spicy (or reddish). there have been some suggestions to de-japanize the name, such as by using 초마면, but 짬뽕 has been too firmly established. Appleby 20:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you know the pronunciation and literal meaning of these two terms in Korean?  I am curious if the Chinese name "chao ma" is phonetic transliteration from the Japanese or Korean name.  I have not seen the Hunan style chao ma mian, but those chao ma mian from Mandarin cuisine is spicy hot with a reddish broth.  The main ingredients are noodle, beef, seafood, cabbage, a lot of garlic, (tomato??).  The red color in the broth doesn't seem to come from chili peppers because the redness is usually not proportional to the spiciness which often varies from restaurant to restaurant.  The spiciness depends on how many hot chili peppers they put in the broth.  My favorite restaurants put in about 5 to 8 super hot chili peppers which I must pick out to avoid accidental ingestion.  I wonder if the red color comes from tomato?  I don't have the receipe, but apparantly, the ingredients are stirred fried with the chili peppers before making them into a broth for the noodle.  If the stir-frying step is the signature of this dish, then the name "chao ma" which lit. means "stirred fried ingredients" is very likely from Chinese origin.  Despite what I was told by the waiters, it is actually a Chinese dish exported to Korean instead of the opposite.  How is my description above compared to the Korean or Hunan version of the same dish?  Kowloonese 00:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the descriptions I found on google, the chao ma mian from Shandong (山東炒碼麵) is not quite the same as the Hunan version.  On the other hand, since Shandong and Korea are so close, I bet these two versions are very closely related.  Kowloonese 01:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some search and taste tests myself.  The Champon from the RingerHut Japanese chain restaurant, and the Zam Pong from the Za Zang Korean chain restaurant are almost identical to the shandong chao ma mian.  The soup base is the same, red tomato colored, there are slight changes in ingredients.  For example, the Ringerhut's Cham pon has the least toppings. The Zam Pong has more squids and added a clam but with no beef.  The Chao Ma Mian has no clam but added beef and shitashi mushroom and napa cabbage.  Surprisingly the shandong version is much much spicier than the Korean version.  I have not had chance to try the Hunan style Chao Ma Mian, but based on description on the internet, it is not the same as Zam Pong.  Kowloonese 21:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  chao ma mian 

message: sujeo also means spoon in Korean and does not refer to a set of eating utensils with chopsticks. sutgarrak also means spoon. jeobunandjutgarrakboth mean chopsticks. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.215.17.89 (talk • contribs) 
:Appleby, why does the Sujeo article say:  "Upon occasion the spoon apart from chopsticks is referred to as sujeo."?  Badagnani 11:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: occasionally, sujeo is used to refer to spoon only. this resulted from some people's sense that hanja words were more "high class" than native korean words like "sutgarak". however, this use was an elitist minority, sutgarak is by far the most common word for spoon, & you can see from dictionaries that sutgarak=spoon & spoon=sutgarak. Appleby 14:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It seems that this information should be added in all the relevant places so that all of this reversion that has been going on (probably through this misunderstanding, by young Koreans who don't know much about etymology or hanja) won't continue to occur.  Badagnani 14:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm afraid what you say doesn't make sense, 66.215.17.89.  You spell "sujeo" several different ways (including "suejo") and what you say contradicts with what Appleby has found in his/her dictionary regarding the original meaning of the word.  Unless you can explain this, I'm afraid your argument isn't verifiable--the test here at Wikipedia.  Badagnani 11:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: From the Sujeo article:  "The word is a contraction of the word sudgarak (spoon) and jeotgarak (chopsticks)."  Badagnani 11:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Added bit about sujeo being used instead of sutgarak. Some people are even unaware that sujeo can refer to "spoon an chopsticks" and use sujeo as a synonym of sutgarak. --Kjoonlee 04:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Etiquette

message: Is it "sutgarak" or "sudgarak" in RR?  There seem to be some rules for final "g" and "d" in RR and I basically want to know about the romanization of this syllable: 숟.  Badagnani 17:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. 숟가락's normal transcription by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism's rules of 2000 would be sutgarak (sut and garak when written individually). There are no words ending in -g (except -ng), -d, -b or -j, except in MCT 2000 transliteration, which I have never ever seen used and which would read sudgalag (sud and galag individually). Wikipeditor 11:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanization question 

message: Actually, there is a name for the number of banchan set in a meal. I mean that the meal setting is called something like "Three-banchan meal" in Hanja. I don't remember it right now, and it's pretty archaic, but I do remember hearing it a few times. It traditionally goes 3-, 5-, by odd numbers, except the largest number (royal?) is 12-banchan setting. Or something sort of like that. Dollarfifty 23:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of banchan

message: Is it spelled 자장면 or 짜장면?  Badagnani 05:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 짜장면. Zenpickle 00:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's a Koreanized bastardization of the original Chinese word for a similar black bean sauce dish.  I get flyers on my door every day from restaurants selling 짜장면.  The reason for the different spellings on the internet may be the same reason some people spell "traveler" and "traveller," "judgment" and "judgement."Zenpickle 02:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it used to be 짜, but was officially standardized to 자. everyone still pronounces it 짜, though, except news anchors, who try to pronounce it closer to the official 자, & sound very awkward doing it. as an aside, korean language standards are prescriptive rather than descriptive; the gov't officially determines what is correct & incorrect, unlike the more descriptive standards of the u.s. Appleby 04:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 자장면 or 짜장면

message: Someone just added bosintang (under a new spelling).  But it was already there in the "Consumption of dog meat" section.  Is it a common enough dish to warrant being listed twice?  Badagnani 01:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Redundant.  Never seen that spelling before. Zenpickle 02:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bosintang 

message: I don't want to add more to the article without getting some more input.  My girlfriend, whose job involves taking Japanese tourists shopping through the markets, tells me that insamju is basically ginseng marinated in soju.  She learned this from the ginseng dealers she gets commissions from.  Anyone else can verify? Zenpickle 16:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably. You can probably add more about these things at Korean wine instead of here.  Badagnani 16:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insamju (Ginseng Liquor) 

message: a recipe for soondae i found in a korean cookbook stuffed squid with a meat mixture. they called it in english "seafood "sausage"".
can anyone confirm this or the chitterling sausage you claim it to be? --Andrewb1 20:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A pretty good description of soondae shows up in the black pudding article, interestingly enough.  Most of the soondae I've ever seen is of the blood sausage/black pudding variety, although I believe that the word soondae can also refer to other sausage-like concoctions, such as stuffed squid.  I'm actually going to redirect the link to the black pudding article until someone makes up a better one, considering it's more or less the same thing.  --Zonath 22:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  soondae 

message: "intestines of porks?" waaaay awkward.
:it is disgutsting to you. isnt it...^^. Dung must be washed very clean with cleaner ^^
::I was referring to the awkard grammar "intestines of porks" = "pig intestines," and and calling bullshit, or "dung of beefs."  Do try to keep up. --BJason 08:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I call "dung of beefs." 

message: Please consider adding Tang Soo-yook to this page. I'm sure many of you have had it. It's basically a koreanized version of sweet and sour pork. http://www.trifood.com/tangsuyuk.html It is different from what you get at chinese takeout, as the taste is more mild, and doesn't actually use sweet and sour sauce, it's based on apples. It's milder, and less salty, the resulting flavor is much more sweet than sour, and isn't very salty in comparision. Another difference is that the sauce is put on right before serving (if you get it in a restaurant) or comes in a separate bowl (if you get it delivered) thus preserving the crunchiness and texture of the deep fried pork. Since the vegetables aren't given time to marinate in the sauce, they taste much more vegetable-y and less like something to eat with the sauce as seems to be the case with most chinese versions. Anyways since it's a popular option for delivery in korea along with jjajangmyun, I thought it would be a nice addition.
 72.66.207.4 14:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If Jajangmyeon is in the article, I don't see why Tangsuyuk couldn't be added too.  Zenpickle 12:31, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tang Soo-yook 

message: Vote here:  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Korean family names (2nd nomination).  Badagnani 05:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Korean surnames nominated for deletion 

message: I live in Ansan and have neer seen nor heard of these:
# Jung-ang Micro Brewery (in Ansan)
# German Brauhaus (in Ansan)
I think they must be out of business. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bsharvy (talk • contribs) 12:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is/was near Jungang Station.  I have a feeling they're gone, though. Zenpickle 01:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Microbreweries 

message: I find the introductory paragraph of this article confusing. It first suggests that the "royal cuisine" is not really a part of korean cuisine, but then goes off tangentially, mentioning the price of meals and the tv show? Maybe this royal cuisine could be incorporated into another section, rather than partially delving into it in the broader introduction to Korean cuisine.
Also, the article has many comments which seem like subjective opinions, such as korean snacks being an important part of the social culture, or the warm feeling given by the filling of ho-ddeuk. I think that the article could use an overall brushing up in terms of tone and organization.
--SorryDoll 23:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction?