Talk:Cable car (railway)

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:Cable cars take many different forms, the only attribute in common is the cable that pulls the vehicles.
I disagree with that. There are at least two, different, but quite specific, definitions of "cable car". One is a cabin suspended along a cable in the sky, pulled by that cable. The other is a light rail system using a cable in the road to pull the light rail cars along. Rather than saying that, the article should differentiate the two different senses of this word. -- SJK
Two questions:
* the article lists Saint Paul, MN as having a cable car. I am in Saint Paul. Where is the cable car?
: It doesn't exist anymore, see http://web.hamline.edu/students/orgs/oracle/archives/22701/neighborhood.html for details (btw, I live in Minneapolis) dml
* In San Francisco, I believe there are intersections where cable cars move on both intersecting streets. Given that the cars grip the cable, how does that work? AxelBoldt
: The car degrips the cable to crossover, presumably rolling downhill on track, before regripping dml
:: Actually, moving with its own momentum. I doubt you'd want to do this with a down-hill track, as that means it's going up-hill on the return trip. Aliter 14:57, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Except for the San Francisco lines, all the cable car services have been terminated. :Nl:Kabeltram (rails) Aliter 14:57, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Agreed; removed. Gwimpey 22:56, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
We probably should add a bit more of the mechanics, as for Axel Boldt's question above.Aliter 19:06, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Nothing personal, but the Wellington line is a funicular, of which there are quite a few in the world (including ones that have stations). Only SF has a Halladie cable car, which were once quite common. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 04:04, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: I explained cable car vs. funicular in some more detail. See if you think it needs more. It might not matter as much, but there were many Halladie systems at one time, as well as many funiculars (and still quite a few of the latter). Some funiculars look pretty much like street railways while others (inclines) are virtually tandem elevators where the car is balanced by another car instead of a counterweight and are not quite vertical. I'm going to look into Dunedin to see if I can find a technical explanation of how a cable car could have a motor. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 06:30, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: According to a couple of web sites I have found, http://www.cablecarmuseum.co.nz/ and http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3589/cablecar.html , the original Wellington Cable Car was a rather strange hybrid of a cable car and a funicular. There were two seperate cables involved. One was a continuous loop haulage cable which the cars gripped using a cable car gripper. The other was a balance cable permanently attached to the cars over an undriven pulley at the top of the line. The descending car gripped the haulage cable and was pulled downhill, in turn pulling the ascending car (which remained ungripped) uphill by the balance cable. However the first reference also implies that the haulage cable was stopped and started, perhaps just to save energy moving it when both cars were stationary. It seems a weird system that combines the disadvantages of both systems, but it explains the name of the cable car. However all of that was replaced by what sounds like an off the shelf Swiss funicular in 1979, so if Wellington belongs in this article, it is in the cities previously section. I'll amend article accordingly. -- Chris j wood 13:49, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Another thought. As NZ obviously seems to delight in strange hybrids, perhaps the Dunedin system referred to could have been similar, retaining the balance cable but with the haulage cable component replaced with motorised cars. I think at least one of Lisbon's street running funiculars works on this principle. -- Chris j wood 13:49, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: First Comments (2004)

message: I changed the title of this to conform to the style that articles should be titled to what they describe. There is no public or industry nomenclature of a "cable car on rails" (i.e., no one call it that), and the name is a little awkward. It sounds like a rock group, like Death Cab for Cutie. I will fix the redirects. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 03:43, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good move. -- Chris j wood 12:03, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: These are a great improvement on what went before. I have made a few further changes, explanation here:
* One of the problems over the life of this article has been contributors failing to understand the difference between a cable car and a funicular, and adding random funiculars (of which there are hundreds still operating around the world) to the list part of the article. To try and avoid this, I added the section comparing the cable car wrt the funicular at the front of the article. This rewrite has moved that way back, which is much better from a stylistic/readership pov, but risks getting back into the 'I'll add my favorite funicular' syndrome. So I have added a little more detail to the lead para to try and minimise this.
* I've also removed the speed statement from the lead para, as it seemed a bit out of place there. I've replaced it in a more example form in the operation section; and I'll make sure it goes into the San Francisco cable car system article if it isn't already there.
* I've removed the detail on which cable car routes are still in operation in San Francisco. The San Francisco cable car system has an article of its own, which covers this and is linked in an earlier paragraph in the same section, so this seemed a little too detailed for the summary here.
* Under 'cities currently operating', I've removed the picture of the Wellington Cable Car, as this is a funicular not a cable car. This is in fact pointed out in the 'compared to/funicular' section earlier. There may be a case to re-insert the image there as a 'this is NOT a cable car' example, but that may be too confusing.
* I've reworded the comparison to funiculars; hopefully improved and pointed out true status of Wellington Cable Car.
* I've added a section on cable traction in subways.
-- Chris j wood 13:03, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent updates by [[User:Cecropia|Cecropia]] 

message: I have added this cable tramway, despite the fact that it isn't in a city, as I think it is significant.--John 11:18, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Great Orme Tramway]]

message: *  Memphis, Tennessee  has included a return to this once popular form of transportation as part of its redesign of Downtown Memphis.  Memphis has two versions that are currently in service; one that runs from the Irish "Pinch" district to the south end near the world famous "Arcade" restaurant and Ernestine and Hazel's Juke Joint.  The second version makes a loop, sharing the first's tracks and adding a trip down Riverside Drive as well.  The plan for the future will connect Downtown to the FedEx area near the airport.
I can find no reference to this in a web search. Susvolans ⇔ 18:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed from article: Memphis 

message: I'm proposing a small re-organization of articles including this one at: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains#Cable_railways:_a_proposal. I'd be grateful for your thoughts. Please post comment to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains#Cable_railways:_a_proposal to keep the discussion in one place. Many thanks,  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwernol (talk • contribs) 18:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A proposal 

message: I believe the line, "The only moving National Historic Landmark in the United States..." to be incorrect. The Wiki entry for San Francisco cable car system states, "The San Francisco cable cars are one of two moving National Historic Landmarks, along with Mystic Seaport Museum's steamship Sabino." Reference: Report on San Francisco's Cable Cars, San Francisco Beautiful May 2007 Dick Kimball (talk) 20:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cities currently operating cable cars

message: Sometime between late 2006 (when I last edited this article) and now, the Laon Poma 2000 link has migrated from 'Cities currently operating cable cars' to 'Cities previously operating cable cars'. When and why did this line close?. -- Starbois (talk) 13:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Digging further, it seems the Laon Poma 2000 is still operational, and indeed celebrated its 20th anniversary in February. So I guess the move was either accidental (the editor spotted the France subheading without realising the section it was in) or a bit of unspotted vandalism. I've moved it back, and added a reference to the info I found. -- Starbois (talk) 11:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laon Poma 2000 

message: Given the previous discussion about Wellington having a funicular, surely it should be removed from Cities Previously Operating Cable Cars, as the system has not fundamentally changed.  While it is a hybrid it either should be in here as a current system, or removed as it is considered a funicular. It cannot be a former system if it is still running with the same characteristics as it always has done.  Libertyscott (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wellington 

message: How do the cable-cars go around corners/curves in the street?
If there cable is adjusted with a guidance-wheel the clutch-thingy would damage the wheel or make the cable derail, right?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.229.200.50 (talk) 10:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you could try reading the article; or use the question to spur some further research. Try here. Or here. Moonraker12 (talk) 11:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

text: PS Comments on talk pages should be added to the bottom of the page, and signed.Moonraker12 (talk) 11:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That second EL deserves to be added: thanks, Junior! --Old Moonraker (talk) 12:08, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: User:Goldensmith recently added the following:
* Bangkok (1892–1968, Cause traffic jams)
* Lopburi (1956–1964, Cause traffic jams)
However a brief web search suggests that neither city ever operated cable cars. See for example, http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok-Tram-overview.shtml and http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok-tram-lopburi.html.
What is more, the illustration included in the article and above is clearly of an electric car.
I have reverted the addition. If I've missed something, please re-add with cites showing these were cable cars. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thailand 

message: Why is http://www.cable-car-guy.com blacklisted as a link? Sammy D III (talk) 16:10, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cable car guy blacklisted? 

message: It is all very well to mention the cities in which the cable car railways were located, but what about the actual names of the systems in the list of cable car systems? Peter Horn User talk 14:52, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The names 

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message: Hello Arnld,Cable car (railway)# Modern cable car systems Most links here go to the cities without giving the name and describing the system in that city. Not helpful. Rgds, Peter Horn User talk 20:00, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Peter. The system links were there, but maybe not presented consistently. I edited the section to make the links a little clearer.--agr (talk) 12:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  All those systems appear to be Cable Liners rather than Cable car (railway)s. Correct me if I br wrong. Peter Horn User talk 19:24, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Arnold, I don't know if it is the laptop that I borrowed or if it is a problem with Wikipedia, but the link Aria Express behaves in an unusual manner by going directly to "==References==" when I click on the link. Peter Horn User talk 00:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern cable car systems 

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