Talk:Clan Maclean

message: I've never heard of any references to Sir Fitroy (or any MacLean)being part of the Charge of the Light Brigade. Also as far as using Mc or Mac my own father uses the a while his brother does not, they are the same. An interesting note is the reference in "A River Runs Through It" when the father says that his son is using the prefix Mac instead of Mc and that people will think they are from the Lowlands because of it. BMacLean
In this article it says the MacLeans shared with their in laws the Clan Campbells a mutual dislike for Clan MacDonald. However history shows that the Macleans fought in several battles alongside the MacDonalds and against the Campbells.
:Allegiances varied a lot. At different times, various Chiefs tried to curie favor with various monarchs. An excellent example is the Maclean's role in supporting the Royalists in Scotland in the Wars of the Three Kingdoms--Mclean.kane (talk) 03:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Inacuracies

message: I did a lot of rewording and punctuation/spelling fixes, but quite a bit of this article is still basically suspect. Most of the stories are anecdotal and no reference or source is listed. It would be nice if someone with a knowledge of clan history could check the accuracy here.
Wantsarevolution 03:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anecdotal Evidence?

message: That's a little intense, all those names with wikilinks. Like a Red Sea, really. Is that a precedent in articles like these at all? Alekjds talk 03:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated Clans and Septs 

message: A while ago someone deleted all the "famous MacLeans" who did not spell their surnames identically, including several McLeans. However, it is generally accepted that in the last few centuries many names have had their spellings changed due to illiteracy, language barriers, and the like, yet they are still descendants of the same clan. It would probably be both fair and accurate to add some of them  back onto the list. Wantsarevolution 22:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course McLean and MacLean are the same name, and should both be here. So should Maclean, as Duart spells it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous MacLeans

message: While Wikipedia is inconsistent, it seems excessive to have the title spell Maclean one way and the body spell it another. Septentrionalis 21:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the 'correct' or 'proper' name is Clan Maclean (as opposed to Clan MacLean), and the article should be moved there. Clan Maclean is how the clan is presented on the Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs website; same as on the Burke's Peerage website; same on the Maclean Clan Worldwide website which seems to be the Clan Maclean website.--Celtus (talk) 08:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'l' should only be capitalized when the fist 'a' is omitted. In that case, the 'c' should be underlined to indicate that common letters have be omitted. It is similar to using "Jas" for as a short version of "James".--McLean.kane (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 20:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "The 'l' should only be capitalized when the fist 'a' is omitted". Nonsense, the reason I know this is that my surname is "MacLean". 77.99.98.37 (talk) 15:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling: MacLean or Maclean 

message: Disclosure: I just wanted to clarify my relationship to the topic, since it was pointed out that my edits may be in violation of the COI policy. My surname makes it obvious that genealogically, I am related to the Clan Maclean. Since my particular family emigrated to the U.S. in 1807--after two centuries, I feel that no strong "interest" can exist. Also, I am not a member of any of the recognized organizations relating to the Clan Maclean.
Edits Thus Far: First, my edits thus far have been extremely minor--mainly correcting links to the proper pages in the history project that I started (a lot were turning up as 404's). Also I corrected several publisher attributions. The site macleanclan.com is independent of the official Clan Maclean site at maclean.org. I corrected several Publisher attributions crediting the Clan Maclean Wiki page for research that we did and articles that we write at macleanclan.com. By the way, I've since learned that including a link to a publisher is considered spam at Wikipedia--Sorry, I didn't know it was frowned upon (and yes, I did know that it had no effect on the publisher site's SEO)--I though I was doing the reader a favor.  Sorry for the newbie mistake. :)  Thus far, I've made no substantive edits.
Excited To Help Any Way I Can: Due to the COI policy, I'll probably make suggestions on this page rather than just posting them. I really do just want to help, I've created a site on the subject and have spent an amazing amount of time reading about it. At the history project site (macleanclan.com) any page that has a full article has been well-researched and checked for errors by two different people; pages that just list facts still need to be researched more fully and have their article writen. Honestly, with the exception of having previously studied the subject matter and sharing a surname, I am about as removed from any other contributor. This clan has its share of good guys and bad guys, but as old as they are, they are mostly just names and dates at this point. Having a degree in journalism, I should e able to keep facts "neutral." I'm just here to help in any way possible. Feel free to contact me directly if there is any way I can be of service.
--Mclean.kane (talk) 05:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: COI Possibility Disclosure

message: In the last few days the some of the articles on the earlier clan chiefs have been moved to new names by user:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ). It is not clear to me why. Unless the reliable sources indicate that the new names are more commonly used than the older names I think that they should be moved back:
* moved Gilleain na Tuaighe to Gillean of the Battle Axe
* moved Maolcaluim mac Giliosa Maclean to Malcolm Maclean, 3rd Clan Chief
* moved Iain Dubh mac Gilliemore Maclean to John Dubh Maclean, moved John Dubh Maclean to John Dubh Maclean, 4th Clan Chief
* moved Eachuinn Ruadh nan cath Maclean to Red Hector of the Battles Maclean
*moved Lachlan Og Maclean to Lachlan Og Maclean, 8th Clan Chief. I have already moved this one back (WP:PRECISION)
*moved Eachann Odhar Maclean to Hector Odhar Maclean
*moved Eachann Mor Maclean to Hector Mor Maclean, 12th Clan Chief
*moved Eachann Og Maclean to Hector Og Maclean, 13th Clan Chief
These moves have created disambiguation problems so 
*Hector Og Maclean has been moved to Hector Og Maclean, 15th Clan Chief to make way for a dab page
*Hector Mor Maclean  has been moved to Hector Mor Maclean, 16th Clan Chief to make way for a dab page
As I pointed out in the Names and titles section above "I don't think that Clan Chief is a title I think it is a position (that is, it is not a title granted by a central sovereign authority, like Baronet or Earl)." so we should avoid using clan chief in article titles unless it is needed for WP:PRECISION reasons, IE the name is Wikipedia descriptive one, and not a proper name. For this reason if the men are commonly known by their Gaelic names we should use them unless they are usually known by their English translations. --PBS (talk) 10:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not relevant what language the name is written in, what matters is what the English language sources use, if the English sources use the name then so should we. We should not be translating names unless the sources do so. Can you show in any of the pages above that the name you have moved the page to is more common than the name you have moved it from? --PBS (talk) 16:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm jumping in the middle here, so I'm not sure of the issue. If the question is, do references use the English spelling as apposed to the Gaelic? I think the answer is yes, e.g. Oxford dictionary of national biography for Hector Mor Maclean of Duart. If the question is do references list chiefs by numbers? I think the modern ones do, eg burkes peerage list of chiefs, and their publications (not on the net). Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 18:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Just noted that Maclean "clan" books also give English names. e.g. Renaissance of the Clan MacLean, p.35, "John, who became Forth Chief. He was called Ian Dubh, or Black John". This seems to indicate that the Gaelic names are terms of endearment or nick names. Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 19:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names and titles 2 

message: Obviously it is fine for the clan to claim descent from the Cenél Loairn and admirable that they aren't so indecisive as many other clans about their ancestry, which is why the History (Origins) discussion needs to be lengthened and made more interesting. We need something relatively plausible getting us from the misty past into the time of the earliest documented Maclean chiefs. As they say about property: it's all about location. The claim of Dál Riata ancestry is easily enough supported with a reference or two. DinDraithou (talk) 06:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cenél Loairn

message: I noticed on the page that the information about our clans Tartan was missing and am wondering if it is something that will be or needs to be added into the article. It may be because of a lack of information on the web or in books but it seems to be a significant part of the family history that should be covered. Dietrick Kooyman (talk) 23:41, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Tartan Info 

message: I do not understand this.  There is no Lord Maclenn to my knowledge, and no spelling of that name on the page referenced.  Shipsview (talk) 11:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: "Lord Maclenn" redirects here

message: Re: Sir Robert Charles McLean of Alford OBE BT, 5th Baronet of Breda; there is no such Barony as Maclean of Breda; there is no Maclean branch 'of Alford'. I have removed this entry (twice) Shipsview (talk) 12:01, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Chieftains

message: The article says that the clan’s rise to power began in 852 but goes on almost immediately to say that its founder was Gillean of the Battle Axe, who was alive in the 1200s. Both can’t be true or am I missing something? SamMcDermott (talk) 18:19, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent 

message: A recent edit infers that it was just Urquhart Castle that the Macleans lost in 1509.  Did they mot also lose the lands? Shipsview (talk) 12:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urquhart