Template talk:History of Greece

message: I think "Ottoman Greece" is really out of place as a sub-division of "medieval period". As I commented on my edit (just re-edited by someone), a period (that is, of Ottoman rule in present-day Greece) lasting until the early 20th can hardly justifiably be categorized as "medieval". Neither would I call Greek society in the 18th century medieval. This is an anachronistic, ideological notion that i find completely out of place in a project like wikipedia. (Mx2006 20:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ottoman Greece 

message: Looks a lot nicer now without that overused Acropolis pic, more official and more user friendly not to mention more aesthetically pleasing.
:On the contrary, you made it horrible, and it was everything but user friendly, let alone "aesthetically pleasing". Give a look at the other country history series infoboxs (Romania, Bulgaria, Italy, Germany, Albania, Spain), and you'll see that they are made like the present infobox and not like yours.--Aldux 11:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aldux, please remember that nobody "owns" this template, and saying "look at the other templates" is not a satisfactory explanation for reverting. Try to reach some sort of compromise here and to avoid attacks on others' work, e.g. calling it "cumbersome". I personally don't mind the other version. Isopropyl 17:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that the coat of arms of the modern greek state has absolutely nothing to do with the history of greek and greek-speaking people who lived centuries before the foundation of the Greek state. An other picture should be placed there instead. 155.207.252.229 13:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about narrow columns on either side. That would accuratly depict some of the architecture that was a staple of ancient Rome. As for the coat of arms, I agree that that does not have anything to do with the history of greek and greek-speaking people. Change it, please. --Μ79_Šp€çíá∫íš†tell me about it 01:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Horrible infobox - changed 

message: since i massively expanded the culture of greece page, i see no reason why it cannot be included on the history template, it is arranged in a chronological way itself.
:OK, no problem.--Aldux 18:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CULTURE 

message: First of all, I'm sure that everyone agrees that "history of Greece" doesn't refer to the history of the Greek peninsula and the islands that form today the Greek state. It has to do with the history of Greek peoples who were spread far beyond those borders up until recently. The listing of the Ottoman Greece under "Medieval Greece" is simply out of order. 'Medieval Greece' should by no means be restricted to the Greek peninsula, since there's no single political or cultural difference between Greeks from Greece and from Asia Minor; it's not accurate to differentiate them. The medieval section should be renamed to "Byzantine Empire", and "Ottoman Greece" should have its own placement, and maybe renamed to something else "Greek (Rom) millet" maybe? Miskin 19:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi miskin, i made the infobox, i am not trying to defame greece, i am a british born greek cypriot who is a nationalist and hates turks as much as the next greek. you need to add to the kingdom of greece article and history of the hellenic republic. 14/88
I wasn't talking about any defaming nor Turk-hating, I referring to a common misconception. Miskin 00:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Currently, the main problem with this template is that its periodisation doesn't match that of the main articles it links to, especially that of Roman and Byzantine Greece. As for the "ethnic" versus "political" versus "geographic" definitions of the topic, for better or worse we currently have a series of articles based on the geographical space, Roman and Byzantine Greece among them. They are pretty good articles, and there's no reason not to link to them in some form from this template. The current sequence of links is not optimal, but mainly just because of the time periods being cut up differently. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: There's no need for an article's subject matter to be exactly co-extensive with the subject matter of this template to warrant inclusion. The overlap between "Byzantine Empire" and "Greece", even if it's not total as Miskin might want us to think, is certainly large enough to warrant inclusion here. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course there is, but I still have the feeling that this template's inclusion into the Byzantine Empire article pertains to emotion, rather than to "laic" historiography (not to mention that on the "see also" section, the link to History of Greece appears yet again). It`s like having the "history_of_Italy" template inside the Roman Empire article, or "history_of_germany" template inside the Holy Roman Empire article. Now there`s some German cold-blood. Mursili 15:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Discussion continued at Talk:Greece in the Middle Ages. You're right, "Greek history" != "history of the Greek peninsula". But: "Greek history" != "history of Greece" = "history of the Greek peninsula". Easy. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek history != history of a region 

message: I am trying to put an archaeology box into Zarakas Monastery but I am not sure which time period to link to - there is no Frankish Greece on the timeline and it seems we have to choose between Byz and Ottoman - when clearly the mid 13th Century is neither in the peloponnese. Any ideas? --5telios 08:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Frankish Greece

message: where are the dark ages located? I see nothing of them in this template... --Μ79_Šp€çíá∫íš†tell me about it 01:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're thinking about the European Medieval Period, the Greeks weren't involved in that.  You're looking for the Byzantine Empire. --Carnildo 01:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dark Ages

message: The box is too thin to be a good design element. One needs to be able to put pics of the same width under it!Dave (talk) 13:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put a quick fix in there, an adjustable width. You specify the width in a width= parameter on the call. That does not quite do it, as the picture takes the usual size specifications. My fix is only good for small alignments, not for big size changes. It seems to work. As long as some adjustments can be made I think it is now a good design element. Single columns are not too thick. This is more like a book illumination but that is OK.Dave (talk) 02:26, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Too thin