Talk:Total Football

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There ought to be some mention of Jock Stein's Celtic in the late 60's which led to a UEFA championship.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonrreira (talk • contribs) 21:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

message: The article does not seem to highlight that Total Football is not just an attacking system but a defensive one.  In a Total Football system, players constantly close down the ball while those around them shift into different positions in order to limit the space behind them.  
For this reason, Arsenal and Barcelona cannot be considered as teams who play Total Football, despite them playing a pass and move game.  Both teams sit back when not in possession (Arsenal played a pressing game during the 07-08 season, but at this time didn't play pass and move as they went for or a more direct approach). 
On the other hand, the European Cup winning A.C. Milan sides of '89 and '90 (managed by Arrigo Sacchi) played "Total Football".
This article needs to be cleaned of irrelevant information and state more clearly the correct definition of Total Football.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.139.127 (talk) 16:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By watching Barcelona play you clearly see that they do press at all times when they do not have the ball. It might not be obvious because they hold the ball on an average of 60-65% of the time. La Fuzion (talk) 21:23, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A misunderstanding of Total Football? 

message: In 'Inverting the Pyramid' Jonathan Wilson, ISBN: 978-0-7528-8995-5 Jonathan Wilson makes the following points:
Total football was based around a fluid 4-3-3 formation with the sweeper often pushing up to make a 3-4-3 and players exchanging position.
When Michels moved on to Barcelona he carried total football on there.
Denying the opposition space was a key part of total football, playing a high line and pressing. He quotes Hulshoff and Muller, the club masseur, describing the use of drugs such as amphetamines to allow them to press for much of the game.
"The term totalvoetbal appeared only in response to performances of the national side in the 1974 world cup."
--David.castell (talk) 08:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the term, Barcelona and drugs 

message: Without sources, the list of clubs that utilise "total football" (Barcelona, Arsenal etc) is pure POV King of the North East 11:34, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Sorry, but is the goalkeeper an outfield player?  I don't think so.KD Tries Again (talk) 01:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence 

message: What about Lobanovskiy's teams of 1970s and 1980s where the same principle of all players defending and all playing attacking were used?  In fact, we can, possibly, credit Lobanovskiy with independent introduction of Total Football at Dynamo Kyiv as early as 1973. Goliath74 (talk) 18:44, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lobanovskiy's Dynamo sides of the early 70s 

message: It is not really clear what his contribution to the concept was. I do not understand what 'he witnessed' means here. 
TF is a fairly broad term that has little  to do with strict positional play (Pamour (talk) 12:19, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Reynolds 

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