Talk:Mail-order bride

message: The foregoing is TLDR, but as it stands the article is too verbose, too rambling, too detailed, and too WP:NOTMANUAL. "Violence against" material belongs only to the extent problems peculiar to mail-order brides are being described -- there's violence against all kinds of wives (and husbands too, come to mention it). These specific awful stories serve no purpose. EEng (talk) 18:18, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drive-by comments 

message: I have updated the article by removing a huge load of redundant information, and consolidating the article in three major categories, following the introduction: history, legal issues, mail order brides situations & stories, and then country-specific information. Please include anything that is specific to a country in this last section only, or the article will get very messy quickly. Add all stories of mail-order brides that are more narrative in nature (with appropriate citation) in the Mail order bride situations and stories section and indicate the country and/or region.
Also, there were a number of issues with proper referencing of sources. Please remember that all material posted must reference a Wikipedia approved source of information. See Wikipedia's rules for citations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources It is not allowed to post information that does not reference a reliable source that can be verified.
 Computer1200 (talk) 21:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated 

message: Odd to see no mention of les filles du roi, the "king's daughters" who were the original group to have immigrated solely for the purpose of marriage and colonisation of what was New France centuries ago. Even Uncyclopedia gives this key bit of Canadian heritage at least a line in the history section. 66.102.83.61 (talk) 06:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Les filles du roi (Canada, historical) 

message: The article mentions the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005; however this act is only of use for women that wish to marry a man from the USA. Which acts exist for other countries ? Can this be mentioned ?
80.200.229.164 (talk) 13:46, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005 

message: : It has been pointed out that there is a discrepancy between how international adoptions are regarded ("saving a child") and how international marriages are regarded ("buying a wife").
Really? One might want to look at the current political situation where Vladimir Putin's Russia has ended all international adoption to United States of America families using one child's death as an unfortunate pretext. There have been a few other high-profile incidents, including a US church-backed group in post-quake Haïti caught trying to remove "orphans" via the Dominican Republic while the parents were very much alive and a group "l'Arche de Zoë" which was caught in a similar scandal in Africa. Not all nations allow their spawn to be taken through international adoption. Prospective adoptive parents get a free pass to a point (for instance, a blind eye is turned to the pattern of them not wanting older kids, problem kids, siblings placed together but being willing to spend thousands to go abroad for the "cute widdle baybee") but any sign of fraud on the part of an adoption agency is pilloried in the media. K7L (talk) 18:39, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  international adoption 

message: A large part of the male Turkish immigrants in Germany prefer a Turkish wife from Turkey.--95.113.253.182 (talk) 19:32, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Mail-order-brides? 

message: There's a fair few places (the China, Russia, South Korea and Taiwan sections) where there's a huge amount of citations for a small amount of information. It's almost certain that some of  the citations don't add any new information, and it would be beneficial to remove some that don't actually have any unique value. Alcherin (talk) 20:03, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation overkill 

message: http://www.chinesewifes.com/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.rosebrides.com/chinese-brides.html
http://www.mynewchinesewife.com/chinese-brides-is-a-mail-order-bride-the-way-to-go/
http://chinesemates.com/
--141.19.228.15 (talk) 19:26, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: These are WP:PRIMARY sources that don't directly discuss the details of the Chinese mail-order bride industry. The mere existence of websites dealing in Chinese mail-order brides does not indicate the WP:Notability of the industry. Reliable WP:SECONDARY sources that discuss Chinese mail-order brides are necessary before detail on them can be included in this article. Alcherin (talk) 19:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are Chinese Mailorder-brides but why there are no Articles in the Internet about that topic? 

message: Hi everyone! I'm doing a group assignment in my English class, and we're working on making some big changes to the bride-buying article. Something I've noticed is that most research done on bride-buying is specific to mail-order brides. Do mail-order brides apply to bride-buying? Or are they separate? Thanks in advance.
Mop8888 (talk) 05:39, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Two different social phenomena, IMO. Acwilson9 (talk) 23:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between Bride-buying and Mail-order brides? 

message: "52 percent of Russia’s workforce is made up of women, yet according to some sources they often hold low positions of prominence in their home country and work jobs with less respect and lower wage (such as teaching or physician positions)". Physicians have a low wage in Russia? Does the word physician refer to something other than a doctor or are doctors paid poorly in Russia? ☣Yutsi — Talk/Edits 00:04, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe a large percentage of Russian Mail-order brides belong to ethnic minorities who are often more poor than ethnic Russians. The average American male is not able to see a difference between ethnic Russians and white Russian Citizens of another ethnic background.--88.66.132.241 (talk) 15:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Physicians 

message: "Добрый день, пожалуйста, удалите абзац  "A mail-order bride is a woman who lists herself in catalogs and is selected by a man for marriage. In the twentieth century, the trend was primarily towards women living in developing countries seeking men in more developed nations. In the twenty-first century, the trend is now based primarily on internet-based meeting places which do not per se qualify as mail-order bride services. The majority of the women listed in the twentieth-century and twenty-first-century services are from Southeast Asia, countries of the former Eastern Bloc and (to a lesser extent) from Latin America.[1] Since the collapse of the Soviet Union large numbers of eastern European women have advertised themselves in such a way, primarily from Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, and Moldova. Men who list themselves in such publications are referred to as "mail-order husbands," although this is much less common.
The term "mail-order bride" is both criticized by owners (and customers) of international marriage agencies and used by them as an easily recognizable term.[2]"
Эта информация недостоверна Ladayougova (talk) 16:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Google translate says: "Good afternoon, please delete the paragraph" (...) "This information is not valid." ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not done for now: Please explain the specific reason(s) why you believe this information is not valid and should be removed from the article. Please reply here on the talk page, and then reopen this request. (Change "yes" to "no" above.) ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2019 

message: 1)With 4,138,273 more women than men from the ages of 15 to 64,
 
This count is too precise. It changes daily!
2)52 percent of Russia's workforce is made up of women, yet according to some sources they often hold low positions of prominence in their home country and work jobs with less respect and lower wages (such as teaching or physician positions);[15] and women earn 43 percent of what men do.[16]
This references reports which are 10 years old (not to mention it would be more reliable to use first-hand reports by the Russian government.) Also teachers and doctors are not positions with "less respect". Quite the contrary.
3)...as well as the fact that a large portion of successful males are emigrating out of Russia.[20]
While there may be some emigration, and while it may be substantial, the "successful" part is rather doubtful. Also [20] source is somehow unavailable from my location (which is Russian Federation)
4)In testimony before the United States Senate, Professor Donna Hughes said that two thirds of Ukrainian women interviewed wanted to live abroad and this rose to 97% in the resort city of Yalta.[21]
Well, at least Yalta's women's wish is now granted, for they now live happily as part of Russian Federation =D
(Sorry, this whole comment was meant to be about "why are there Ukrainian women and Russian city in a single sentence... and then I realised.)
185.150.154.80 (talk) 13:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right! And I still ask myself is there any reliable source that proves that Russia is still a main source country of Eastern European Mail-order brides? Russia is far away from being called poor and Russian women are only portrayed as good-looking by the Anglo-Saxon Entertainment Industry but in fact are not much more good-looking on average than for example British, German or Dutch women.--88.65.185.114 (talk) 11:16, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motivations and stories - Eastern Europe 

message: Some sentences in this article are identical to sentences in :Personal advertisement. As I was writing that article, there was content that also was applicable to this one, and I copied my work here. Schazjmd (talk) 00:18, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attribution 

message: The data cited which states that 43% of senior management in Russia are women does not support or undermine the reasons provided for why Russian women seek foreign husbands. It should be removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvitray (talk • contribs) 15:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Neither source mentions mail-order brides. I have removed it. Schazjmd (talk) 15:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian Women in Senior Management 

message: For possible inclusion, if some Wikipedia editor would do further (secondary) research in the media:  I recall reading in US media circa 2000 that Russian-Siberian women were being recruited to marry Japanese men in Japan. If I recall correctly, purported driving forces included economic hardships in the Vladivostok area and a reduced willingness of young native-born Japanese women to be submissive in their relationships with Japanese men.  
Example articles:
* https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2000/06/08/commentary/world-commentary/russian-women-turn-to-the-net-for-love-and-a-life-abroad/
* https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2004/08/12/national/net-sites-cater-to-quest-for-russian-brides/
* https://www.academia.edu/4224664/Russian_Wives_in_Japan_Identity_Re_construction_and_its_Implications_for_Social_Integration_of_Foreign_Spouse_
* viewer.html?pdfurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jstage.jst.go.jp%2Farticle%2Fjsij%2F4%2F1%2F4_20%2F_pdf%2F-char%2Fen&clen=361369 (Japan Social Innovation Journal: Vol 4 No 1 2014; Gender politics and its impact on female marriage migration: Women from former Soviet Union countries in Japan, by Viktoriya Kim)
Acwilson9 (talk) 23:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan 

message: I suggest "Female marriage migration" as a replacement title for this article.  Acwilson9 (talk) 22:47, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current title is best, per WP:COMMONNAME. Schazjmd (talk) 23:03, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Schazjmd: OK.  (If we WERE to change it, I'd suggest retaining the original title as a REDIRECT.) Acwilson9 (talk) 23:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In Germany the female Marriage Migrants come mainly from Muslim countries and marry Muslim men of their own ethnic group or Nationality who live in Germany.--Urs Herbstlicht (talk) 16:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New less-pejorative title? 

message: The statistics are 10 years old, most cited sources even older נוף כרמל (talk) 20:41, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find more recent reliable sources, please improve it! Schazjmd (talk) 21:09, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is outdated, needs a refresh 

message: In the lead, I find two statements dubious:  and 
The issue here is that it isn't established anywhere in the article where the majority of the mail order brides originate from, and the sole citation here (Robert Scholes, Appendix A. ) doesn't support this statement either.
Robert Scholes's Appendix A only concerns immigrant brides to the Anglosphere "and Europe". So it's misleading to use it to describe the global mail order bride industry. There's an enormous mail order bride industry that caters to men in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc. Most mail order brides to these countries are Southeast Asian women. 
Where is the typical mail order bride from, globally? That's a question I hope to answer with citations later. 
But moving on, there's no mention in Scholes that  from ,  or  have advertised themselves as such. It would seem that this is a synthesis from the main body, where reactionary claims from Lukashenko, for example, are noted. But I'm not seeing any actual data or scholarly claims that a significant share of the mail order brides, globally, are Moldovan, Georgian or Belarussian. Scholes does not mention any of these countries. So I don't see these as leadworthy.
All I see in Scholes is on pp. 1-2:
This is a good source for the demographics of mail order brides in the West, at least up to time when it was published, but cannot reflect on the global mail order bride phenomenon, which includes the Western as well as Eastern markets. 2600:100C:B013:3460:0:4A:7296:1301 (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics of mail order brides

message: I've recently reverted several edits by a new editor (Cuces crux) who appears to be making the same edits as the recently banned editor Alikima. Their edits are also very similar to a previous editkor with the screenname "LeanaAndYoung".
Most of their edits appear to be stealth removals of content, as well as the addition of unsourced or misrepresentations of content. 
They also have made erroneous allegations of failure to verify. For intance, on 19:07 26 February 2024, they removed content cited with Marchbank and Letherby (2007), with the explanation that "Pages 194-5 in this book don't mention any of this https://books.google.com/books?id=KeXpAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA194-z"
However, comparing the citation in the Wikipedia to the link in Cruces crux's edit summary, we see that they have erred. Their link is to the second edition of the book, ublished in 2014. The citation in the Wiki is for the first edition of the book, published in 2007:
The 2007 first edition is not the same book as the second edition; the same content is no longer found on the same pages. In reality, the first edition does verify; and Marchbank cites a study showing that +10,000 were from countries in Asia and Latin America (including China), compared to just 4,000 from Europe. 2603:8080:1F00:4882:CD4B:5F00:B01C:E334 (talk) 10:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits by Cruces crux

message: In the section demoghraphics it says 'white, highly educated, succesful. Very vague definitions. Succesful in what? Certanly not women. Highly educated in what? There isn't a dfenitive information to know the majority of the demogprahics. The source is super vague and old nad full of misinformation and bias. Mods get ery offended without any proof that my arguments are not credible so by definition this mods are biased Onlyloss73 (talk) 23:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The source isn't vague. It explains exactly what it considers educated and successful. --Onorem (talk) 00:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia just shows how unrealible it is