Talk:List of gymnasts

message: I suppose, that Li is the first name and Xiaopeng (also Ning) is the last name. If it's wrong, correct the changes, that I've made, please. Cmapm 11:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed this. Cmapm 15:14, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Surname?

message: Should years be provided here? E.g. in List of Chinese people they are not provided at all and in List of Russians they are provided only sometimes and mostly for those, who died. Maybe they could be temporarily provided for "red links" only? I think, that more important inf. to be included is whether a person was Olympic/World Champion. I also think, that "(byear-dyear)" is more commonly used format, than "(b. byear-d. dyear)" Any comments? Cmapm 09:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question on descriptions

message: I've just removed recently added Natasha Lisagor, the only references I found to her on the web is  and a mention here. I believe, she's not famous, but rather unknown. I could be wrong, then, please, provide more sourced inf. about her. Cmapm 20:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous vs unknown

message: Surely, since it is a list of Gymnasts, then it is a list of gymnasts? Why the exclusion of Acrobatic gymnastics? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 16:29, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:37, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is time to remove the restrictive heading and add the people form this discipline to the list. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 18:54, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Took the bull by the horns and removed the restriction. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 20:23, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does this list exclude Acrobatic Gymnastics? 

message: In the newly added section on male acrobatic gymnasts I have experimented with layout, I believe that each gymnast's FIG record should be present / referenced. I am undecided whether to do it with group-named references of to use a table format. Fortunately it isn;t hard to convert to a table if desired, so I am leaving it for a while until either I have an opinion, or others reach a consensus, should they choose. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Table is more maintainable despite table markup being evil. It is also more reader friendly. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 10:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Working slowly and steadily towards the table format, but help would be appreciated. This format insists on citation in at least the FIG record, so enhances the article greatly. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 08:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Format of entries 

message: *A number of tables are now complete. This is detailed work and only so many can be done in an editing period. Slow and steady progress towards the overall goal is the key to success. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 20:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Progress towards table based layout

message: Unless I am mistaken, the FIG record for each gymnast is likely to be sufficient reference.  is very useful here. It's a simple process to find records for each gymnast and enter them: one uses this link and enters as much or as little information as one has. The only time consuming and laborious element is handling existing entries. We do need to make the effort to have a correctly inclusive and cited list. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 11:50, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Noticed a couple of problems in the first Canadian list. Some FIG records are absent, at least one disagrees with the Wikipedia article for the gymnast for date of birth. Each is noted in the text. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 18:52, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations/References 

message: I think there is some confusion. The list is a list of gymnasts. While I understand that a group is a sub discipline of their chosen sector, it is a categorisation too far. If I've accidentally removed some notable gymnasts by removing the section please feel free to re-add them, but, please, as individuals. The list is, surely, intended simply to list those folk who are notable, by major discipline and by nationality. Their own articles are the place to go into the sub disciplines they choose to compete in. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 19:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The removed GROUPS section 

message: Dear folks, generic lists like this one are boring. Users won't know the reasons why some gymnasts are included and other aren't. Plus, it provides very little information on the gymnasts.
I prefer more specific lists of people. Taking a few examples from other sports, see List of Formula One drivers and List of NASCAR drivers. Those lists show relevant results of the competitors, which can be sorted. I've done similar lists in the Spanish Wikipedia.
So, how about a similiar list based on List of Olympic medalists in gymnastics? The same could be done with World Artistic Gymnastics Championships, Artistic Gymnastics World Cup, European Women's Artistic Gymnastics Championships and Pan American Games competitors. --NaBUru38 (talk) 15:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generic lists are boring 

message: I'm aware that they prettify the article, but are they within policy? We need it to be self consistent. I've asked for clarification at the Village Pump's policy section Fiddle Faddle (talk) 09:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing the discussion on VPP will come back with an answer that they are allowed by the policy because they are accurately (assuming the correct flag is being used) representing the country to which the gymnasts are from. There are already templates for this, and it wouldn't take too long to go through and apply them to the appropriate sections. (Really wish I had WP:AWB rights on this wiki... Soon enough I shall.) On the flip side, if I am wrong and they say they shouldn't be there, it wouldn't take too long to remove them all with AWB either.  We can put in a request to someone with AWB permissions to do it if I don't have access by then. Technical 13 (talk) 12:22, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In this area I think we need to await guidance. I agree it to be relatively simple to handle, but we need advice. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 19:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Guidance from Wikipedia:MOSFLAGS#Appropriate_use shows that this is a wholly appropriate deployment. It will thus be worth the effort to change the remaining country names to the flag icons. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 07:48, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See the short discussion. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Flag icons 

message: Hey, I'm wondering, what exactly is supposed to be in the "Date" column?  From the little bit of background I have done, they seem to mostly coincide with the date of birth for the gymnast.  Is it supposed to be just their birthday, their lifespan (b-d), or the dates they are recognized for as a gymnast (which year/years they won an award or something)?   Some clarification here would be helpful in the development of the new template/table/multi-page thing I am working on... Thanks. Technical 13 (talk) 12:25, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the DoB in the original poorly formatted article, plus DoD if they have died. Some had them, others didn't.They are sourced often from the FIG record, sometimes elsewhere. I simply extended those who were not previously dated. It was a bit of a marathon. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 20:26, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I personally think that it should be just the date/year that they are notable for the event.  Their birthdate and deathdate should be reserved for their article. Any disagreements there? Technical 13 (talk) 17:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we defer this discussion until the re-organisation one has run its course? Once that is clearer then anything else can be done. One thing to consider while we (presumably) hold fire here is that the birth and death dates are interesting, but the active years give us the vintage of the achievements. However one then has to define 'active' since some go on to coach at high level. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:42, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table's "Date" column 

message: New to this article and a bit confused to see it is full of external links to sportcentric, most articles dont have external links shouldnt these be references. Not sure if the gymnast has a linked article it really needs a reference either. Oh and do you really need a link to FIG on every line. MilborneOne (talk) 21:19, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I raised this after coming to see the RFC but it a bit of a wall of text and didnt notice that some of these points have been raised, although it is difficult to see what is actually being suggested above. MilborneOne (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does its current best. The issue is to determine the future best. Sports Reference (etc) is a useful resource. So is the FIG. That latter record is pretty much officially the performance record of the athlete, so including it, albeit in a better manner, is valuable as a quick reference. I have a very different definition of link farm from you. I think no-one can accuse this article of being one. It uses the sources that can be found as references, after all. Fiddle Faddle 21:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: OK but as somebody who has not seen this article before today it looks like an index to the FIG website not to the rest of wikipedia which it should be. The FIG and similar should be linked from the gymnast article otherwise this could be renamed List of Gymnasts on the Fédération Internationale de Gymnastique website which is what it looks like. As far as I know references are not usually raw external links. MilborneOne (talk) 22:49, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that the FIG link section is obnoxious... I have some ideas for shortening it and I'll look it over again to see if I can add more relevant information to the list.  I still think that the template and table method I have in my userspace will be the way to go, but I'll admit I'm extremely biased.. :P Technical 13 (talk) 23:11, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your userspace stuff looks OK if you could do something about the fig bit. MilborneOne (talk) 13:08, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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message: There are a couple gymnasts that I think should be on here but I don't know if they would be considered "notable" or not. Could we perhaps write a definition at the top clarifying what is considered a notable gymnasts or not? I think this would make it easier for readers to understand why these gymnasts made the list. I also think by doing this, it would make adding edits to the article easier. NotSaraEdmondson (talk) 15:48, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could we clarify "notable gymnast" 

message: Looks like this article has been tagged as Too Long. It might be worth splitting this into these separate articles (as the number of gymnasts keeps growing for all disciplines).  The most straightforward split, I think, would be:
* Women's Artistic Gymnasts
* Men's Artistic Gymnasts
* Rhythmic Gymnasts
* Trampoline Gymnasts (both male and female gymnasts in one article – can be split at later date if it gets too long).
This page can then link to each split article. Mypurplelightsaber (talk) 14:22, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Too Long