Talk:Philippines/Archive 6

message: Now that the article has more or less stablized, lets add refs so that this can at least be a GA article. --Howard the Duck 10:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tagged lots of passages with . That will make it easier for us to cite the article. --Howard the Duck 05:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding references 

message: What? --Howard the Duck 11:14, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know. Maybe this should be researched. But the most famous is probably Pasig(?).--Jondel 10:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently it's the Cagayan River. Coffee 17:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny enough, it is not mentioned there how long it is. --Howard the Duck 03:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the longest river? 

message: That's very informative. To add to the previous query however, please clarify the use of Filipino and Pilipino. Is there really a significant difference? I was told Pilipino refers to the person and Filipino refers to the national language.
:Filipino may also refer to the people, the 1987 Constitution refers to the "Filipino people," the preamble starts "We, the sovereign Filipino people...". --Howard the Duck 14:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fi versus Pi</font>

message: Some of the sections read like they were written like informercial pamphlet written governmental propaganda written to make the country look amazing and great for foreign investing, some it's actually more ludicrous than effective. This should be an encyclopaedia. The reality is that this country is extremely poor and commits several human rights abuses with children in prisons, cages, et al. In article it looks like a powerhouse speedlighting at 6% growth on way to surprise the world as the most mangificent Asian tiger - A load of governmental BS if you consider the pornographic debt their budget issues. Just saying. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.138.0.112 (talk • contribs)  August 21, 2006 at 23:12.
: Edited for tone, still needs some work, and definitely citations for some of the claims would be nice. I'm not sure about what you said about children in prisons and cages though, or about saying that "this country...commits several human rights abuses" To my knowledge this is limited to some vigilante groups, some member of the military and police and some members of rebel groups. --Edward Sandstig 00:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  See the Adding references section, above. --Howard the Duck 03:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

text: This should go at Philippine general election, 2004. --Howard the Duck 05:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reads like Government Propaganda 

message: When you say largest city don't you normally refer to population rather than land area? Might still be worth noting that Davao City has the largest land area in the article itself, but for the infobox we may as well follow how the other Wikipedia country articles are structured. --Edward Sandstig 09:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, only QC should be there. --Howard the Duck 15:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest city - population or land area? 

message: Any idea on how to deal with it? --Howard the Duck 15:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I initially thought that the user was using the link as a reference, but it takes you to a page to purchase the book. I've removed the link to the book and instead found some statistics on IRRI's website which can be used to back up the rise of production during the 70s. I've temporarily removed the sentence about the Philippines being a net importer as well since it'd feel pretty incomplete to say that without explaining the reason(s) why that's the case. We need either someone who's read the book in question to summarize the reasons why the Philippines is still a net importer, or a summary based off of a different source, preferrably online. --Edward Sandstig 19:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green Revolution 

message: Can I add it? Lest I be accused of anti-nationalist again... --Howard the Duck 12:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be more appropriate to add it in the History of the Philippines article. --Edward Sandstig 13:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok. --Howard the Duck 08:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of New Spain 

message: I read this in the Religion Section...
"The Philippines is the third-largest Christian nation, after the United States and Brazil."
I'm highly suspecious about that claim...
we're only the 12-13 largest nation depending on who you ask but the United States and Brazil aren't the only big countries with big Christian populations.
92% of the Philippines is Christian.. that would be 76.4 million people (out of 83 million) that are Christian.
However including the US and Brazil... is Mexico, the 11th largest country: 95% are Christian making it have 101.65 million people (out of 107 million) that are Christian.
Even the Demographics of Russia suggest 58% of its populace are Russian Orthodox. That calculated out would be 83 million people. 
Prehaps our intent was that the Philippines is the third largest Catholic Nation after Mexico and Brazil... however with illegal immigration into the United States as it is... perhaps the Filipino would be the fourth largest.
Definitely not the Christians' 3rd though. Someone please verify with me on this. PhilipDM 09:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We are at the process of adding references (see #Adding references above.) If we get to cite this we will be fine. --Howard the Duck 10:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrid Largest Christian Nation???? 

message: Lets select the pics that should be added. Especially at the Economy section. Lets have a representative, one for Luzon, one for Visayas and one for Mindanao. Lets stop the Metro Manila-centrism. --Howard the Duck 05:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because I can't find a suitable, freely-licensed image (the Zamboanga City CBD was the best that I saw) --Howard the Duck 04:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: I'm referring to the edit by User_talk:203.164.50.111 where he switched the place of Spanish and Chinese in the sentence about mestizos. Could it be he meant to emphasize that the term mestizo isn't often used in modern times to refer to mixed Chinese-Filipinos where the term Filipino-Chinese (or Fil-Chi) is generally preferred? --Edward Sandstig 15:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted it, IMHO, it doesn't affect as much as we perceive it to be. how about a linking to Filipino Mestizo though? --Howard the Duck 07:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit by 203.164.50.111 switching places of Spanish and Chinese in regard to mestizos 

message: The Archive of the Indies in Seville and Madrid states that During the colonial period, Filipinas was also called Nueva Espaňa (New Spain). All the Territory who were part of the viceroyalty of New Spain was New Spain itself. Philippines was New Spain. 
-- Gonzalo 2:34, September 20, 2006 (UTC)
: That's why I removed the phrase "via Mexico", it is too confusing. "A Spanish colonial rule..." is simpler, direct to the point and more accurate. --Howard the Duck 08:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippines was New Spain 

message: I see no reference of the miitary of the Phillipines
--Johnston49er 06:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? Like 25% of the population are retired soldiers! Do you ever leave the house? (Joke.)203.131.167.26 01:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military? 

message: Natsirtj recently replaced the paragraph that read:
The Filipinos came from Austronesian-speaking peoples, but there are also some Filipinos of mixed descent, known as mestizos, through intermarriage with the Spanish, Chinese or other nationalities.
With a direct copy-paste from the Philippine Department of Tourism's own website:
The Filipino is basically of Malay stock with a sprinkling of Chinese, American, Spanish, and Arab blood. The Philippines has a population of 90 million as of 2006, and it is hard to distinguish accurately the lines between stocks. From a long history of Western colonial rule, interspersed with the visits of merchants and traders, evolved a people of a unique blend of east and west, both in appearance and culture. WOW Philippines www.tourism.gov.ph. Accessed September 30,2006
I've edited the paragraph somewhat so that it doesn't violate any copyrights, and removed the obvious marketing speak. I'm considering removing the paragraph altogether though since the articles already getting too long and it seems more appropriate to deal with ethnic origins in the demographics section. Thoughts? --Edward Sandstig 17:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the sentence is too long. The shorter sentence is also more accurate since contemporary anthropologists largely think that orginated from the original Austronesian speaking people from Taiwan instead of the people migrating from other parts of Southeast Asia. Then there's also the problem of copyright.--Chicbicyclist 20:21, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence in intro about ethnicity 

message: How come the condensed history section starts with the settling of Palawan then suddenly jumps to Magellan? Nothing happened between the two events? If I recall correctly, a very important thing happened. Well, two, actually. First, the Aetas reached the Philippines more than 10,000 years ago. And most important of all, the  great expansion of Austronesians from Taiwan settled northern Luzon and gave rise to the majority(more than 90% of the population) of Filipinos today. It should at least be mentioned in a short sentence at the very least.--Chicbicyclist 20:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Austronesian Origin in History section 

message: Guys, I've noticed a number of authors making multiple edits in sequence. If you're not sure how something might look, I'd like to suggest you use the "Preview" button before committing your changes. :) --Edward Sandstig 08:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple changes by the same author, suggestion 

message: Who deleted the "the Philippines suffers from overpopulation due to a high birthrate"?
It must be government propaganda.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.212.52.10 (talk • contribs) October 1, 2006 14:19 (UCT).
:Cite sources and it will be posted. Disputable statements will be removed while uncontroversial are tagged with .
:And no, I don't work for the government (I doubt if anybody here does). I even suspect some here are opposed to the government, lol. --Howard the Duck 13:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the Philippines really overpopulated or is it just propaganda intended to blame poverty on one specific source? I understand overpopulation has more to do with available resources than population densities, but in the case of the Philippines the resources are available... if you can pay for it.  Thus the problem appears to be more of income distribution than one of overpopulation. Growth and birth rates seem to be in line with many of the country's neighbours.  --Edward Sandstig 20:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: the Philippines is indeed overpopulated but such statement need a reference/source to prove it... and I don't think the Philippine government would attempt to vandalise Wikipedia... not in our knowledge anyway... Philippines has a problem not just in total population but also in population growth rate, birth control, etc... -- peads 03:36, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Overpopulation

message: What hell is it with people and government propaganda? Maybe they are government propaganda!!!! Pinoy Pride!!!Australian Jezza 07:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't understand why the Arroyo government would mess at Wikipedia. And why people here say this is govermnent propaganda. Most of the editors here aren't even connected to the government. Please assume good faith. If you have a conflicting source, you can add it to the article with citations. --Howard the Duck 10:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Government Propaganda

message: Does anyone know of any famous Filipino Musicians? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travis1345 (talk • contribs) 
::Category:Filipino musicians --Howard the Duck 03:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musicians 

message: Just a reminder: Largest city refers to the city with the biggest population, NOT the city with the largest land area. --Howard the Duck 03:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Largest city]]