Talk:New York Yankees/Archive 1

message: And the number of homers, etc. Bona Fides 13:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i don't have time to do it, but feel free to do it yourself. here is a reliable reference. Kingturtle 14:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yankee records, please fill in player names

message: I'm opening this discussion based on my belief that the training staff is a vital role to each organization. Considering people like Gene Monohan actually do sit in the dugout its seems only right that they may be included on this page concerning the Yankees. What do you all think?--Djramey 14:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Training Staff 

message: Someone should update this page with the information about the new stadium.  The team is planning to build a new stadium at the site of the city park next door.  In return for this land the team plans to tear down the old stadium and make that into city park land.  All the governmental approvals have yet to be gotten.  The plan is to have government puick up the costs of infrastructure improvements on land adjacent to the new stadium while the team would pick up all the direct construction costs of the stadium proper.  No mention is been made in news reports as to the cost to tearing down and making the old stadium into city park land.  John wesley 21:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Stadium 

message: I'm not sure this is as much a controversy as a simple debate. The Yankees have broken no apparent rules in their spending, and are simply recreating their brand with stars that may or may not be more expensive than others. Having to ultimately pay a luxury tax does not mean the Yankees have broken any guidelines. It is not the Luxury Penalty, it's a Tax.
Further, this page could be listed on a few other teams, but seems to only get mentioned with the Yankees.
Let's recreate this section and talk about it objectively. Start first with a new section head, something along the lines of Luxury Debate.--Djramey 17:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: I was wondering why there is no mention in this article of the Yankee teams of the 30s and 40s.  Instead, it simply skips from "First Successes," which ends with Ruth's 'Called Shot', to "The 50s and 60s", completely bypassing a significant two decade span in Yankees' history when the Yankees continued to dominate the league and fielded some of the greatest teams in Yankee and baseball history.  Perhaps most egregious, there is no mention of Joe DiMaggio.  I strongly urge someone, if they have the time, to commence work on a section detailing the history of the Yankees from 1932 up to 1950.  Such a section is urgently needed here. --Brian Brockmeyer 23:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work.  You've linked the Ruth/Gehrig Era to the DiMaggio Era and up to the dawning of Mantle's Yankees quite nicely.  I think you've hit it out of the park with this section.--Brian Brockmeyer 06:31, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Section on 1930s and 40s, DiMaggio

message: The article claimed that 26 Championships in 80 years was unchallenged in U.S. sports. Well, the Celtics won 16 championships in 30 years. That is a better rate. Rather than leave the issue up for debate, I removed the claim from the artlce. Kingturtle 09:05, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of hyperbole 

message: More information is available at the following Retrosheet URL: http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B07010CHA1990.htm. The runs were scored in the top of the 8th on three errors and a walk. colinjohnson 01:00, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andy's Hawkin's Losing No-Hitter 

message: Are people incapable of using a dictionary? 
   apiece
       adv : to or from every one of two or more (considered
             individually); "they received $10 each" [syn: {each}, {to
             each one}, {for each one}, {from each one}]
FFS . . . Varitek 19:22, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apiece 

message: According to the VfD debate for Curse of Clay Bellinger that article should be merged somewhere here.  Here is the complete text, I have redirected that page to this one for the time being, an someone please do the merge in the appropriate place?  Many thanks. -- Graham  ☺ | Talk 12:51, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curse of Clay Bellinger 

message: Are you kidding me? Current lineups complete with 15-day dl? How about we just link to an external source instead?
*If people want to keep it up to date, there's nothing wrong with it. Kingturtle 23:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Lineups 

message: I've been skeptical of these entries I've seen seeing, that various American League teams derived from obscure teams in the Western League.  The White Sox entry says they originated in St. Paul, which squares with my understanding, but I'm not so sure about others, like the Red Sox and the Orioles-Yankees.  More research is needed.  It's like saying the Boston-Milwaukee-Atlanta Braves began as the Cincinnati Red Stockings:  somewhat yes, somewhat no.  However, there is no question that the Yankees began as the 1901-02 Orioles.
The problem I have with embittered Yankees fans describing their team as "sucky" is that there is a lack of a standard for what constitutes "sucky".  The Yanks are just a few games below .500, which may be "sucky" for them, but would be pretty good if you were a fan of a team that other teams feast upon, such as the Kansas City Royales With Cheese or the Tampa Bay Devils Food Cakes.  So a specific won-lost record can't be described as "sucky" by itself, but only in relation to expectations.  It sounds like some SABRmetrician needs to come up with a "suckiness index" to objectively determine whether a given team at a given time is "sucky" or is merely playing at its natural level.
d:) Wahkeenah 17:40, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sucky" etc. 

message: Do we even need to list "main rivals"? I've never seen listings anywhere on MLB.com about teams and having main rivals. Rivalries are mainly for the fans. Some of the rivals listed in Wikipedia are not even in the same league (AL/NL) as the Yankees. Since there are no "official" listings, the main rivals in the article are from a person's/fan's point of view and opinion. The section was started by a guest.
"Main Rivals: Boston Red Sox, Baltimore Orioles, Los Angeles Dodgers, and the New York Mets mostly, and every other team in baseball in general."
:I don't quite get why that anonymous user keeps posting this "main rivals" stuff. I'm not sure if it's sincerity, ignorance or vandalism. It's certainly not objective. Wahkeenah 9 July 2005 01:24 (UTC)
**Listing "Main Rivals" is absurd. TheImpossibleMan 20:01, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They do play them in interleague play, but I agree with you.  I'd be all for removing talk of "traditional" rivals altogether and just mentioning the Red Sox rivalry someplace. —Cleared as filed. 00:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. One series and a handful of meaningless interleague games does not a traditional rival make. The Blue Jays are bigger rivals than the Mets, and I think we'll see that this season. Yankees76 21:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The mention of rivals without sources should be stricken altogether IMHO.  I'd want to see things like elevated attendance numbers, write-ups from notable sources, etc.  My first reaction to your statement about the Blue Jays is "huh?!"  What's the source for that assertion?  Proof of a Mets rivalry could have been found in the past with the Clemens/Piazza/Estes beanballing/bat-throwing...  A Blue Jays rivalry?!  I think a poll of fans would go a long way to asserting rivalries - and I'd bet the Blue Jays would be higher-than-average at best.  —Wknight94 (talk) 22:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Poll of who's fans? Jays or Yankees? You have to look at it from more than just a Yankee perspective. Since the Tigers left the AL East, the Blue Jays chief rivals have been the Yankees and the Sox. Did you think Blue Jays fans come to see them play Devil Rays or Orioles? The Yankees-Mets rivalry is a recent thing. Yankees fans in 1992 could have cared less about the Mets, and will care about the same 5 years from now. Yankees76 23:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Poll of both fans actually.  Most teams - and most baseball fans for that matter - have a special place in their hearts for the Yankees - whether it's a happy place or an angry place.  That doesn't mean the Yankees have a rivalry with all of them.  And the bottom line is that we can't even agree with each other, therefore it's not NPOV and shouldn't be in the article.  —Wknight94 (talk) 00:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's there to agree about? You're a Mets fan trying to stick the Mets in a Yankees article. I had no plans of adding anything Blue Jays. Just making a point that teams in the AL East have more of a rivalry with the Yanks than a team that's not even in the same league and barely plays them does. Other than Steinbrenner's obsession with outspending the Mets in the offseason,  the 2000 World Series, and a few underwhelming interleague games, there's nothing to talk about. BTW check any Toronto newspaper and you'll find out who the writers there consider to be the teams rivals. I'll give you a hint - it's not the Indians. Yankees76 04:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh?  I'm not trying to stick the Mets in any article.  Check my edits - you'll see I never put the Mets in this article and I never would.  My point is you'll find the writers in almost every A.L. city consider the Yankees to be their team's rivals.  I'm in Tampa Bay now and the Yanks even get extra press here!  That doesn't mean you should list every A.L. team as rivals in this article.  What makes Toronto special?  Take a poll of which team Yankees fans think is the Yankees' rivals - you'd get 1.) Boston, 2.) Toronto?!  I don't think so.  I don't know who #2 would be but I highly doubt it would be Toronto.  I lived in NY for 30 years and I never remember Toronto getting more press than any other team there - even when the Jays were back-to-back World Champs.  But don't look for some hidden agenda on my part - I'm just saying the wild speculation in this Talk page about Toronto vs. Baltimore vs. the Mets has no business making it into this article since no one has more proof of a rivalry than any other.  —Wknight94 (talk) 13:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: For those of use who have been following baseball for longer than just since 2000, we know that he Jays and Yankees play each other as many times as the Yanks play the Sox. The Toronto Blue Jays and their fans consider the Yankees, Red Sox and to a lesser extent Tigers as their biggest rivals. That's my point. Ask JP Riccardi who his teams rivals are. He'll say, Yanks and Sox. Why? Because they're AL EAST RIVALS. After the obvious Red Sox, the Yankees have a few other teams they battle for a playoff spot with (hint: check what teams the Yankees play most often during the season - there are 4 of them - that's why the D-Rays writers give the Yankees press). When the Blue Jays knock the Red Sox out of the playoffs this year, you'll see what I'm talking about. No they don't belong in the article yet - but neither do the Mets. Yankees76 01:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did I call that or what? Jays in second - Boston in third!Yankees76 03:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed.  For the record, I never said the Mets do belong in the article.  I'm just commenting on the fact that the whole concept is barely encyclopedic and I'd almost vote to remove even the Red Sox, except that they've been widely documented as rivals. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:49, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Rivals? 

message: Quickly, why are we continuing to put the the word "traditional" when it comes to describing the rivalry with the Red Sox? I've removed it and yet it's been re-added. Even a casual Yankees fan will know that the Yankees traditional rivals were the New York Giants. Review Lou Gehrigs 'Luckiest Man' speech. It's not the Red Sox he mentions (When the New York Giants, a team you would give your right arm to beat, and vice versa ...). In fact the first real 'moment' (outside of the final series of 1949) of the rivalry after the sale of Babe Ruth didn't really occur until May 20, 1976 with the Fisk-Pinella altercation. That really kicked off the rivalry we know today. I'd go so far as to content that The Sox traditional rival were the Boston Braves. Just pointing this out, but please stop reverting changes w/out discussing first. Yankees76 20:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How are you defining "traditional"?  From 1941 to 1981, the Yankees played the Dodgers eleven times compared to the Giants only twice.  With all of the Podres/Koufax/Snider/Ford/Mantle/Reggie/etc. matchups, I'd consider that to be more of a traditional rivalry personally.  —Wknight94 (talk) 20:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True. I guess traditional could be the same as 'original'? Or 'classic'? I guess they (the Dodgers and Giants) should be considered for addition as they've met what, 17 times combined against the Yankees in the world series? The Red Sox rivalry tends to make us overlook some of the old-time rivalries that were just as fierce. Yankees76 21:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's as simple as "if you can find good sources, you can add it to the article".  Sounds like it might be an interesting paragraph or two all by itself if it can be sourced well enough.  I'd be interested to see if someone could find info on a supposed Boston-Boston rivalry (like you contend) considering the two never played each other.  (Almost did one year - I don't recall which - but someone spoiled it by winning the pennant in the last week or so).  —Wknight94 (talk) 21:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope they never played. I suppose that rivalry was more from the standpoint of playing in the same city - competing for fan loyalty and money - and it forced one team right out of town. Yankees76 22:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Traditional' Rivals?

message: While it made for great bar conversation on Friday night, I'm still pondering this on Monday morning. Does anyone know when "Theme From New York, New York" was first played regularly after Yankee home games?
:According to Tony Morante, the team began using Liza Minelli's version in 1976, and Frank Sinatra's in 1977. Huge thanks to Mr. Morante for the timely info.felix142 September 12, 2005
::Has it always been "Reward the fans with Frank when we win, punish them with Liza when we lose?"  ;-)  --Chancemichaels 14:48, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "New York, New York" 

message: I have put together some estimates for the 2006 yankee's payroll (Around 181 million), does anyone know where this might go? I put it here for now New York Yankees Payroll. please tell me what you think.Jackalsclaw 09:12, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is likely very good information for the page, but I wonder if maybe it should be retitled to reflect the payroll for the MLB team, and how accuratly we can judge that. Any ideas? --Djramey 13:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Payroll" 

message: Please let us know if Tino Martinez is there
::By "there" I am making the assumption that this poster is refering to one of the Yankee Minor League teams. If my assumption is correct, than the answer is no. And here is the reason: When Tino Martinez was signed by the New York Yankees for his second time, its was under the terms of 1 year and a club option of around US$3 Million for a second year. On November 8, 2005 the ball club declined the option thus making Tino Martinez a free agent post haste. --Djramey 13:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tino Martinez has retired. He's going to be an analyst on Baseball Tonight on ESPN this season. Yankees76 00:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Want about new jersey's own al leiter? John wesley 21:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Al is in camp as a non-roster invitee. It'll take a miracle (or an injury) for him to make the team, especially with the signings of Mike Myers and Ron Villone. He's also on the U.S. provisional roster for the World Baseball Classic. Yankees76 21:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just an obvious update. Al Leiter announced he will retire after the World Baseball Classic (which he became a participant of after CC Sabathia and Billy Wagner pulled out of). Thus making him no longer a Yankee player. His name should not be removed from the roster, I don't believe, until this announcement becomes official by an announcement from the New York Yankee organization.--Djramey 18:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Notable Players with Minor league Contracts 

message: You're just lucky no Dallas Cowboys fans have seen that. I've heard many, many teams call themselves "America's Team", that term in that section is OR POV. It'll have to be replaced, but with what, i'm unsure. Karmafist 15:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "America's Team"

message: I've noticed there are a number or really unnecessary sections (2005/06 offseason for example) while there are still huge holes in the history of the team (ie: very little mention of the 80s', no mention of Don Mattingly's MVP season, nothing much about Billy Martin's firing/re-hiring/firing/death, no mention of Thurman Munson or his death, nothing about the start of the modern Red Sox rivalry May 20, 1976, or Chris Chambliss ALCS winning homer in 1976, Guidry striking out 18, George Frazier losing 3 games in the '81 series - or the 81 series at all for that matter etc.,) Can we focus on getting the relevant history correct before we start adding useless sections like "Famous Fans" (where we list a grand total of 8). Is it really that important to list that a few famous people cheer for the Yankees, while Thurman Munson dying in a plane crash in the middle of the 1979 season is completely omitted? Thoughts? Yankees76 16:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed 'Famous Fans', I see I'm not the only editor who has questioned it's existence. 71.247.73.73, since you added this section and nearly all of the fans feel free to comment. Yankees76 17:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just removed a "Famous Fans" section that was added by 67.86.122.109. -- Win777 20:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that "Post-2004 Era" needs to be removed as a title because it can be combined with "21st century". As for "World Series Drought #2", that may also need to be removed. --Sportskido8 11:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unwarranted Sections and Missing History