Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Italy task force/Archive1

message: I suggest to create cat ans spilt current page to Coppa Italia 2006-07. Matt86hk talk 11:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Having a page with this years results seperatley would be a better idea. Niall123 16:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coppa Italia

message: Just a thought but how about getting all these templates set up so that they can all be linked together by using the {fb start} and {fb end} codes such as presently being done on the San Siro page.  The 5 star template and the Serie A Stadiums template links togehter nicely.
If we could, I wouldn't mind doing the same for the following templates.
*Template:Football in Italy
*Template:Serie A
*Template:2006/2007 Serie A Results
*Template:Serie A Stadiums
I've tried to do this already yet I just can't seem to get it right.  I've coded the Results template already but can't get the Football in Italy and Serie A templates to merge on pages such as Serie A and the different seasons pages. Niall123 11:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian Football Templates 

message: Anyone think that the Trofeo Birra Moreti and the TIM Trophy should be included on the above template.  Basically boils down to both of those cmpetitions being friendlies.  I say they should be included on the basis of them being important warm up tournaments for the forthcoming season.  Put to public vote I guess.  For Niall123 00:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since they aren't official tournaments, I don't think they should be included in the template. Against CapPixel 23:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here in Italy there are a lot of friendly competitions in summer, and I really cannot say that Tim Trophy and Trofeo Birra Moretti are so important to be listed in the template. Against – Luxic 19:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Football in Italy]] Template 

message: I think we should decide a standard for the classifications. Actually we have many different classification "layouts": 
* seasons 2003-04 to 2006-07 and before season 1929-30;
* seasons 1929-30 to 1932-33 (taken directly from the Italan Wikipedia);
* seasons 1983-84 to 1990-91;
* seasons 1991-92 and 1992-93;
* season 1993-94;
* seasons 1994-95 to 1999-00.
I vote to the have the first one as a standard.
- CapPixel 23:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you're saying.  I did most of the later seasons, which I took from Italian wikipedia.  I'll try to rejig a few of them to look better.  Ideally the 2006-07 table should be used, but there is a hell of a lot of work to redo all the old ones.  Plus, the 83-84 one is directly taken from the Italian wikipedia and takes a small bit of editing to suit the English wikipedia. Niall123 01:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Anyone with other ideas? CapPixel 07:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the 2006-07 table is the best, but, as Niall said, it would be a hard work to standardize all the existing articles... – Luxic 19:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The work should be done. We can't leave the articles the way they're now: after all, this is an encyclopedia and a common standard is needed. ;) Obviously, I'll edit them myself as soon as I'll get to them (actually, I'm working on 1920-21 season). CapPixel 00:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I created articles and layouts for classifications and results on Italian Wikipedia (my nickname on that is Murray), so I decided to use those layouts for the informations I inserted, but I did that just because it's easier for me to work on them; then, if you want to change layout to make it more similar to other articles' style, I have no problem with that! Speirdyke 13:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: P.S. Just one suggestion: on 2006-07 table we should set fixed-pixel widths, because there is a visible discrepancy between some columns (for example, Goals Scored and Goals Conceded). Speirdyke 13:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should I assume that the standard layout is 2006-07? CapPixel 07:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd imagine so.  Might change a bit over time though. Niall123 08:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't realize this discussion was going on when I made some very minor adjustments to the Serie A 2006-07 Standings format back on Nov 20th.  I noticed that the point total is in the third column while most other classifications, including old Serie A standings, have the point total at the far right.  I prefer the points on the far right (before comments), but will go along with whatever our group decides.  I also think the font should be slightly smaller to match most other classifcations.  Once we have agreed on a standardized classifcation it may not be that difficult to change some of the old classifications (especially if we don't have to move the points column for the old ones).  I think if we can split the goals for/against columns into 2 separate columns, shorten the team names, and clean-up the comments, we should be able make the classifcations more uniform.  I guess we would have to decide on the standard structure for the every old page as a whole. Juveboy 00:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seasons 

message: I added a manual of style section. I know it's from the main football WikiProject. I thought 1 manual of style would help preventing conflicts between the 2 WikiProjects. Kingjeff 03:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Manual of style section

message: Could someone do the detailed results tomorrow for the Serie A article.  I won't be able to do it.  You can get the detailed results from [www.skysports.com] in the live scores section.  Remember to update the results table too and the fixtures for next week.  SHould be back by then.  Thanks.  Niall123 21:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serie A results 

message: Please expand List of football clubs in Italy, include some ex-Serie B and Serie C teams. Matthew_hk tc 10:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expand request

message: *Can someone complete the table? I have added top three in Serie B 2005-06. Matthew_hk tc 12:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I completed the 2005-06 topscorers table. As for the other two, I think that we should create the articles first(Serie B 2003-04, Serie B 2004-05). – Luxic 22:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Serie B topscorer, play-off

message: Place	Scorer            	Scored	Team                   	Penalties
1.   	Gionatha Spinesi  	      	A.C. Arezzo            	
2.   	Diego Milito      	      	Genoa C.F.C.           	
2.   	Francesco Tavano  	      	Empoli F.C.            	
4.   	Erjon Bogdani     	      	Hellas Verona F.C.     	
4.   	Cristian Bucchi   	      	Ascoli Calcio 1898     	
4.   	Roberto Stellone  	      	Genoa C.F.C.           	
?.   	Raffaele Palladino	      	Salernitana Calcio 1919	
:I completed the 2005-06 topscorers table. As for the other two, I think that we should create the articles first(Serie B 2003-04, Serie B 2004-05). – Luxic 22:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2004-05 Topscorers

message: Some Serie B team squad still not updated, likes Pescara Calcio. Matthew_hk tc 18:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Club Article Drive

message: Could someone address the following conflict: category names should be changed. There are many Italian football articles that members of WikiProject Football have assessed, but these articles are still in the category of Unassessed football articles because of WikiProject:Italian Football's template. Thank you. --Crzycheetah 20:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment for Italian Football  

message: http://www.acffiorentina.it/it/
Why they call ACF Fiorentina verse A.C. Siena is a derby? the city seems far away. Matthew_hk tc 09:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here in Italy we often refer to a match between two teams from the same region as a derby (or regional derby), even when there isn't a great rivalry between the teams at issue. – Luxic 20:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Derby

message: Last week I decided to move Stadio Giuseppe Meazza to San Siro.  I did this for quite a few reasons that I have listed on San Siro's talk page (shown below).  Anyways, before the move, I had entered a discussion on the WikiProject Football's talk wether this move would be ok.  I had one reply which was basically do what you want.  Now that I have moved San Siro, I'm just wondering should the same be done for Stadio Renzo Barbera and Stadio Luigi Ferraris.  The case for these two stadiums might not be as obvious as for the San Siro but I'd just like to get an opinion here.  Niall123 19:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stadio Giuseppe Meazza is the official name since 80s, Giuseppe Meazza is the star player of Inter, he play a while on AC Milan, but still a Nerazzurri, so Milan fans like to use San Siro instead of official name. But naming of article usually use common name, you can mention the official and common name in article. Matthew_hk tc 03:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the name San Siro come from the district where it is located and was the original name of the stadium. Since the renaming people (not only milanisti but many interisti as well) have always kept calling it San Siro. That's because Giuseppe Meazza, despite being a great player and wining two World Cup, played too long ago and nowadays only 70/80-year-old people have a real memory of him. In substance I agree with the move. – Luxic 21:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming of Stadiums 

message: I've moved the article from Stadio Giuseppe Meazza to here for a number of reasons.
* The official Milan website call it the "San Siro" and make no mention of the name "Stadio Giuseppe Meazza" - 
* Almost all templates on Wikipedia have "San Siro" written on them.
* Almost all links to the San Siro/Giuseppe Meazza article are titled "San Siro"
* A presidence has been set with the Nou Camp article.  This is not the stadiums official name.
* The vast majority of people call this stadium the "San Siro".  In popular culture it is the "San Siro".
* Google search for San Siro brings up 1,690,000 links which a search for "Stadio Giuseppe Meazza" brings up only 160,000.
* For a lot of people such as Lulu, Madonna and others, its their stage name which is being used and not their legal and official name.  I believe the same should be set as a president for other articles.
Niall123 17:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: i request create a article for the club, the former club of Massimo Oddo, Christian Manfredini, Luca Toni, Krzysztof Bukalski, Claudio Bellucci, Luca Vigiani, Flavio Roma, Ezio Brevi, William Viali, Gianfranco Circati, Marco Pecorari. Matthew_hk tc 11:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: U.S. Fiorenzuola 1922

message: *i create the List of Italian footballers abroad, but imcomplete, hope someone complete it. Matthew_hk tc 12:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Italian footballers abroad

message: Hope someone populated the cat. The players list can found from
*Italy national under-21 football team
*2006 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship squads
*2004 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship squads
*2002 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship squads
*1996 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship squads
Matthew_hk tc 07:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Italy under-21 international footballers]]

message: Some guy has nominated the Serie B 2006/2007 complete season calendar for deletion (see Serie B 2006-07 Calendar).  Its the only page that allows us to see the whole season's results and upcoming games.  Its a little more detailed than the chart table on the main Serie B page but not as detailed as the 'detailed results' for Serie A etc.  You can post your opinion on this page ---->Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serie B 2006-07 Calendar Juveboy 04:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Serie B 2006/2007

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: Now that my usual work with the detailed Italian results is finished, I started a new page at A.C. Milan seasons to detail past seasons for the club.  Any idea where I can get past top scorers for Milan each season.  I will keep adding more and more seasons going back week by week.  Give a few months I should have all the years done. Any help would be brilliant.  Niall123 20:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As soon as I have time, I'll give you a hand. – Luxic 12:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AC Milan Seasons 

message: Is that Asamoah Gyan fail to transfer to Moscow? BBC and uefa.com mentioned he has signed, but still playing against Torino, 27 January. Matthew_hk tc 11:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Asamoah Gyan

message: I've been improving the F.C. Messina Peloro article a lot recently, but theres a problem. Compared to all of the other Serie A clubs, the logo for that article is really small and poor, compare; Messina to Catania for example. Could somebody upload a better one? - Deathrocker 16:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a slightly bigger one on http://www.soccerpins.nl/Italie.htm. But anyway, the Catania seems unnecessarily big. It's 570×516, but is used as 100x91 on the Calcio_Catania article page. --Abu badali (talk) 18:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Messina

message: A proposal to reorganise all football related projects has been made here. Input from members of this project is wanted. – Elisson • T • C • 20:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creation of WikiProject Football task forces 

message: As it is now, this article contains solely the current professional clubs from A to C2. I think we should revise it, and organize the list alphabetically; I've suggested a possible approach in its talkpage. Prego. --Angelo 01:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of football clubs in Italy]] 

message: Can I ask this WikiProject to contribute to Wikipedia:Peer review/Italian football champions --Dweller 13:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: Hi, I've just added Italian football champions to the list of nominees to be promoted as a featured list and would appreciate support/comments etc.  You can add your comments here.  Cheers! The Rambling Man 07:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured List nomination 

message: Was the color adding made by Juve2000 discussed? CapPixel 16:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been two months since I've posted this question. Do someone still read this project talk page? CapPixel 10:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I'm the lone... --necronudist 12:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is your concern about the colours?  Serie A, B, C1, C2, and D all have colour as do all the other European classifications.  I don't think colours for any of the classifications was ever discussed.  Juve2000 17:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they're OK. Even if they've never been discussed. --necronudist 18:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Serie B 2006-07]] 

message: In the stadium infobox, the "owner" should be who is in charge of the stadium (i.e. Vicenza Calcio with Stadio Romeo Menti) or the actual owner (i.e. Municipality of Vicenza)? CapPixel 22:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stadium owners 

message: Just thought I'd let the project know that Italian football champions was promoted to featured list status last night.  Thanks to all who contributed.  The Rambling Man 07:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New featured list 

message: We've recently added some task forces to Wikiproject:Football.  It may be worth thinking about making this WP a task force instead, let me know if you would like any help with this... Paulbrock 12:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would seriously consider it, as this project is clearly in a state of hiatus as it is now. I guess making this WP a taskforce of WikiProject Football would be a great improvement, and a chance to make it live again. In short, I would support to turn this WP into a taskforce. For the ones who do not know what a task force is, read Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Task forces for details. --Angelo 13:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Support CapPixel 11:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Task forces