Talk:Marie Bashkirtseff

message: Can someone explain in what sense was she an Ukrainian? Did she have a Ukrainian passport, i.e. had Ukrainian nationality, or perhaps by some chance considered herself to be a Ukrainian. I found absolutely no evidence of her Ukrainian nationality, none whatsoever, surely it has nothing to do with the borders of today's state of Ukraine, because if that were the case that  would make absolutely no sense, it is as if someone was born in the 19th century Palestine would be now labeled an Israeli.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.228.13.196 (talk) 16:17, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I bet, can someone explain in what sense was she an feminist? She has some anti-men sexist sentiments, but this crap is not considered feminist in western world as far as i knowAnnaRedko89 (talk) 02:35, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

text: Well idk, wearing and loving her cultural clothing is not enough for you seems 2001:4BB8:182:9562:2511:808A:19ED:D7B5 (talk) 13:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Poltava region was occupied by Russia in 19th century. Even being occupied, it is stil stays Ukrainian territory, and not become “historical Russian” territory, as putin and majority of Russians like to claim. 83.128.163.6 (talk) 08:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationality

message: Perhaps someone can clarify the conflicting information on her birth/death dates. I have also: born on November 24 1858 - died October 31 1884, a few days before her 26th birthday.
--Irukan 18:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I came to this page because I rescued from the scrap heap (!!) the "Journal of Marie Bashkirtseff," Rand, McNally & Co., 1890.  The translation is by A.D. Hall and G.B. Heckel.  It claims to be "complete," covering the years 1873-84 in 825 pp.  This is more coverage than in the "partial" translation mentioned above.
I have difficulty imagining how, if this is NOT an abridgement, the French original would have required 16 VOLUMES.  Perhaps it was run as a serial and published in that many consecutive issues of a journal??
In the preface, she gives her birth date, evidently wrongly, as 1 Nov 1860, and her death date is indicated by the translators as 31 Oct 1884.
With regard to the comment that the Old Style/New Style difference could account for the birth date discrepancy, I don't believe that those calendars were ever more that a couple of weeks apart--OS/NS could certainly not by itself account for mistaking 1858 for 1860.  There must have been something more--I gather her parents at some point wished her to seem younger than she was.  (Nasty thought:  what year did they marry?  Ooops.  Excuse me.)
Now I suppose I need to read this tome.  Since she is baring her soul, I hope she wrote something worth baring.  At first glance, it doesn't seem too promising; since I already love dogs, I hope there is more to it.
Terry J. Carter (talk) 21:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the lead to this edition; I have added it to the list of editions of her journal that I created.Alafarge (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  1890 English Translation 

message: The artist was Ukrainian and spoke Ukrainian (and others 5 languages). This is a classic example of russian cultural appropriation and racism agains Ukrainian people. Especially now more than ever the truth must be seen 2A01:CB1D:26:D00:1DA6:1758:A69C:8979 (talk) 15:44, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The artist was Ukrainian 

message: At that time part of Ukraine was occupied by Russian Empire, but that doesn’t make her Russian. She is an Ukrainian artist because that area was occupied by Russians only for some time. 213.109.232.36 (talk) 10:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not the place for righting great wrongs. Summer talk 14:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality  

message: so, according to Wikipedia, everyone who was born in the Russian Empire is a Russian? This is not a rhetorical, this is a genuine one. Are people born in Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Poland, Moldova, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Alaska under the rule of the Russian Empire Russians? Were all those nations, temporarily, nonexistent? 2601:243:1F00:4A40:2E65:7E6B:B344:763A (talk) 02:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality