Talk:Landskrona BoIS

message: There is no Danish team with the name "B03" , it may br B93 or B1903. The latter club merged with KB in 1990 to found today's FC København while B93 still exists and is also from Copenhagen. Since the lack of source, no hint is given. Boeing720 (talk) 19:05, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Danish team did BoIS play at the opening of IP 

message: I do agree with Reckless123 at that point. Usually such people are not attending the home games anywaty. It just silly, in most cases. But - on the other hand - the same standard must apply to all articles that deals with clubs (of whatever sport) or "franchise teams" in US. Boeing720 (talk) 23:47, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true that there are some list out there. But once again, comparing the issue at hand with what exists in other article is a lousy argument. In this specific case we have no inclusion criteria whatsoever. For example, are we to decide who is famous? are we to decide who is famous? Since the answer is no to both these question, I suggest we remove the section entirely. --Reckless182 (talk) 07:55, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

text: If the section in unusual for football articles in general, I fully agree. Boeing720 (talk) 18:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Famous supporters" 

message: To User Reckless123. Please just show me where (not just "WP:xxx" but under which section) it's stated that a headline describing the (sourced) text is POV. For instance BoIS participated during 18 of the 19 fist Allsvenskan seasons. Do You really think that is POV ? Or about the period 1994-96 "Financial disorder/disaster/problem led to dubble relegations" I see it as a summary of the text that follows. Not as "opinion stating". And if it were , then this must apply to all similar articles. Like Helsingborg IF aswell. You can't have it both ways Boeing720 (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well established could be debate, Established? Yes! But Well established? Could be debated. A better title would be a factual title, not a title based on opinion alone. An unstable period (corrected your spelling mistake), not sure how to explain this if you don't see it. Qualification problems could easily just be written as Qualification efforts, that would remove all hints of POV. Back in Allsvenskan is OK, you can re-add this if you want. Mostly a dull period, again, if you cant see this then you must not understand the meaning of POV. This is solely based on opinion, it is NOT fact that it was a dull period. Financial disorder led to double relegations (fixed your spelling once again), here you are making a simple analysis and saying that the financial trouble actually was the source behind the relegations, maybe it was, but a statement like that is POV and does not belong unless referenced in the text, and if so surely not in a section title. "Kung Sune" returns, as manager, I would put "Sonny Johansson managerial era" or something like that.  The third millenium - a good start. Once again, a good start, that is your opinion, not based on facts. I hope I have made myself clear. --Reckless182 (talk) 20:45, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headlines - summary of (sourced) text that describes following subsection text or POV "opinion stating" ? 

message: I can't edit this page anymore. Everything I do is just undone by Boeing720, and now he's resorting to edit warring. I've requested admin assistance on the matter; hopefully someone will be able to convince Boeing720 that he doesn't have some sort of special ownership over this article, because this article needs a lot of clean-up. — Swedishpenguin | Talk 14:44, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Repeated reverts by [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]]

message: :I fail to see why the comment, that the match vs AIK in 2003 was held at Olympia in Helsingborg, due to a municipality worker's strike, has been removed below the attendances table. The 51 Allsvenskan games 2002-2005 at IP had an average attendance of between 6400 and 6500. A rather well figure for Swedish conditions, in a town that just in later years has got more than 30.000 inhabitants (43.000 for the municipality). Just look at Trelleborg FF before and Falkenberg FF today Boeing720 (talk) 01:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  AIK home 2003 

message: I didn't notice there was two separate lists of managers. Whats "notable" ? Ulf Schramm surelly was notable, as he didn't accept that he was fired in 1979. And then brought it all the way to court, were chairman and advocate Claes Munch af Rosenschöld fought for BoIS' side. Landskrona Town Council also agreed with BoIS, "Ulf Schramm was indeed incompetent !", in 1980 he even got that on paper ! Isn't that notable. Further and far worse while Claes Cronqvist is among the "notable" ones, Sonny Johansson isn't. Claes Cronqvist began in 1983, and in 1984 the club was relegated. Amazingly enough he was alowed to continue, and actually brough the club back - to the same league as from his scratch. While Sonny immidiately got BoIS promoted (also from 3rd to 2nd tier) in his first yeas as (only) main manager. And in 1998 BoIS qualified for Allsvenskan. During his third and final year, BoIS was semi-promoted to Superettan, as half the old "division 1 södra" was relegated in 1999, but BoIS wasn't. The match when BoIS became clear for Superettan in 2000 was besides one of the most memorable I've watched at IP. BoIS played much better than Kristianstad, but the opponants scored at three counterattacks. But before half-time Issa Manglind gave us hope 1-3. Then second half began well 2-3, but soon Kristianstad scored again 2-4. In the 88-89 minute, this was still noted at the score board. However as the referee blew his pipe BoIS had scored 3 goals ! 5-4 to BoIS. If Claes Cronqvist is memorable as manager, then so is Sonny ! Boeing720 (talk) 20:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we need two lists of managers. Sonny compared to Cronqvist 

message: Prior of 2000, second tier compriced two leagues - Division 1 South and North. Superettan was introduced as a new tier, higher than Division 1 South and North, which both still today exists. Hence teams coming from Division 1 were promoted, and about half the Division 1 teams remained in their league. It's not like a promotion from Superettan to Allsvenskan, but still. If anyone is of other opinion, please answer this. Do not revert edits about this without explaining why, of cource everything can be challanged. But it must be done through the talk-pages and argumentation, not by warring. Boeing720 (talk) 23:57, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superettan 2000 was a promotion from Division 1 South 

message: I asked Fredrik Lind, member of the board, about Sabola. This is his reply
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My oppinion of this, is that the list isn't of encyclopedical value, since there is no formal relation between the Club and Sabola. Boeing720 (talk) 02:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it should be removed. --Reckless182 (talk) 12:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sabola - an answer from BoIS  

message: Please read this Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section before adding unnecessary references to the lead. Please add Your contributions outside the lead first, including references. Then add a brief overview to the lead, if the matter is essential. Boeing720 (talk) 23:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  About references in the lead 

message: Ulf Schramm as such isn't of encyclopedical value, however that BoIS was the first Swedish club to fire a manager during the season is of greater interest than club affiliation. And that part isn't covered further down either. As of now that statement is an error. Further Öresundsvarvet as such neither is of interest for this article, however the manifestation at Nya Ullevi, is one of the most discussed subjects in the club's history. Boeing720 (talk) 16:29, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead paragraphs 

message: Gryf. Please explain why You feel both is needed, rather than extending the List of recent managers back in time. What good will the readers get from this mess, that clearly is out of bonds, from encyclopedical aspects. I have for the third time now written constructive suggestions of how to solve these matters, at Your talk-page. Please respond, none of us is even allowed to become a guard of this or other articles Boeing720 (talk) 12:26, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  One list of recent managers - and another list of (recent) "notable" managers 

message: In order to improve this article, step by step, to become more like the articles of more famous clubs, I suggest we can begin with following tasks - 
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:1 I think we need a list of chaimen, from 1915 until today. They are available in "Ett fotbollslags historia" , del 1 & del 2. I used to have these in my library, but the 1915-1975 was borrowed by a friend some 15-20 years ago, and I cannot find part 2 either. I can however find them at the library, I suppose. There are very few chairmen. Bror Nilsson 1915 into the 40's  with exception for one year in the 1930's, when his brother held this possition. Then followed Harry Wibratt, Claes Munch (af Rosenschöld). During the 80's and 90's there were a few. (Stefan Nilsson and Björn Lindh are two of them, I think) Then came Kenneth Håkansson from 1997 or 1998 until this year's annual meeting. And now Gabriel Munch has taken over. 
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:2 Further, I propose a merge of the two lists of managers into one, where space (a column) might be given for good achievements (and possible also for relegations etc). And we have also, in my opinion, to select more historical events from the history part up to the lead. Already sourcered, preferably, in my opinion. 
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:3 This list ought to be tracked back in history. Here "trainer" / "coaches" would possibly be marked as such. The main difference towards "manager" , in my opinion, is whether the highest responsible person for selecting the players has been employed (and payed) or not. I'm not quite aware of when employment first became allowed, or when it reached BoIS. (The fisrt national manager was employed in the early 60's, but the team-responsible at World Cup -58 was an Englishman, I believe. And I do not think he didn't worked for free.) 
:Of cource anyone can disagree with me, but please don't get personal in comments. And do comment if You disagree, preferably including reasons. All other suggestions are by default very welcomme. Boeing720 (talk) 20:56, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structural proposals 

message: Article states "The first ever match at this venue was played between Landskrona BoIS and B 03 from Denmark, which the Danish club won with 3–2.". Any sources for this ? Also I cannot find any Danish club with that name. Though "Boldklubben 1903", Gentofte (which in -92 merged with KB to form FC København) and "Boldklubben af 1903", Korsør both have exsisted. The latter existed until 2008 under the name "Korsør BK". I presume we are talking about B 1903, Gentofte, northern Copenhagen. But am not certain that we can rule out B 93 from Copenhagen (Østerbro). I think we must find this one out  - or change to "a Danish side" or something. Boeing720 (talk) 12:53, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Danish club ? 

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message: If the rules don't let Leif Carlsen to be a notable BoIS player, must the rules be changed (a bit).
#By 1968 HIF was relegated from Allsvenskan (first time ever ?), leader of the All-Time-table at that time, at least. They won Division 2 in 1969, but failed to qualify (only two of the three rounds were needed, as Örgryte and Hammarby both had 4 pts, HIF and Sandåkern 0 pts)- keep that in mind.
#At 28.August.1970 did Leif Carlsen score the only goal home vs HIF, in the greatest BoIS-HIF settlement ever! Then BoIS won Div 2 S.Götaland at 30 pts, but HIF ended just one point short !!!
#He also scored the 2-2 equalizer in the final qualification for Allsvenskan match (vs Skövde), which gave BoIS promotion to Allsvenskan.
#Due to Swedish law (nothing else), was he not entitled to continue to play for BoIS in Allsvenskan - BUT
#By 1972 did BoIS win the Cup - while HIF (relegated to Division III in 1971) failed any kind of promotion in that year - and even, spectacular at the time, lost against Gunnarstorp ! (but what had happened if Leif Carlsson hadn't scored vs HIF ???
#For the club in history, must Leif Carlsen be remembered as "notable" - and far more so than some other players in the "notable list". His goals vs HIF (in front of the largest second tier IP-crowd ever, by the way) and vs Skövde in the last qualification match, eventually made HIF totally inferior of BoIS - for a whole decade. Especially in the 1971-73 period. Anyone remember those T-shirts with people laughing - and the punch line was "Sa du HIF ?" (Did you say HIF - ha ha ha ha). Sonny was naturally in a class of his own, but Leif Carlsen was - and forever will be a notable player ! Youngsters please accept this (have a look in Åke Jönsson's foliantic brickstone "Ett fotbollslags historia 1915-2015", , pages 263-272 (esp. the picture at p. 266) , p.482-488 and p.514 Boeing720 (talk) 23:34, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to apologise for this Leif Carlsen matter. I thought someone had removed him, but I now see that's not the case, and he exists together with a Danish flag. I'm very sorry for this - and I will fix it back to how it was. (Leif Carlsen doesn't need to be named twice) Boeing720 (talk) 18:50, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leif Carlsen - a notable player 

message: First - this article is already one of the better sport-club related articles, at least in a Swedish context. But also when compared to several huge clubs in Europa and America, especially when compared to clubs which resides outside English speaking countries. So, how do we go on from here ? Åke Jönsson's "Ett fotbollslags historia 1915-2015" is indeed a majestic work, and together with Torbjörn Andersson's excellent thesis do we now have two from each other independent sources. Independent as well as reliable according our common standards WP:reliable. And I'm thinking that it now could be time for a "History of Landskrona BoIS" article. And perhaps also, if possible, by improving the English and the style a bit, aim for a "good reading" status. (I'm not certain articles about sport clubs can be given a such status though). And there might be other issues as well. I'm not saying we should commit our entire life on this task or tasks, but we could begin somewhere... All thoughts appreciated. And "Heja BoIS !" Boeing720 (talk) 19:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
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