Talk:2007 SEA Games

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replies: text: Rationale added Aldrinv (talk) 10:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: Under the controversy section it talks about biased judging. This is of a point of view, mainly because the resentment from the Philippines to the Thai when the Thais accused the Philippines of biased judging at the 2005 SEA Games. Since the accusation was removed from the Philippines SEA Games page, it should be removed from the Thai Sea Games page. The post itself is biased and an opinion. It is not from a neutral view. This is merely to get back at the Thais from the Philippines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Effortles (talk • contribs) 17:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The controversies surrounding the Philippine hosting of the 2005 SEA Games were removed from the main page, but it has been relocated at the page Scandals of the 2005 Southeast Asian Games.Nixenzo (talk) 04:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  While I would agree that the current section is not written in a neutral manner, the section is notable and deserves to be there. There is a lot of controversy attached to these games, and suggesting that these claims are due to resentment or are there to 'get back' at Thais is not constructive. The section should stay, and people should improve it.Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article is rather short, so if there comes a time that the article gets very long we can split sections into their child pages. --Howard the Duck 07:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This section definitely deserves to be there, but the content is biased and definitely not acceptable. I would suggest the removal of the section unless appropriate and neutral content can be included.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.152.84.5 (talk) 11:19, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased Edit, Remove Controversy Section 

message: I still do not understand what target means in this article and also why target should be put on that table.  Is it really necessary?  You 2 persons (you know which 2 persons I mean) spent most of your invaluable time to argue each other in order to show your smartness.  Actually I don't think it is impressive.  These are all waffle.  Go to the article 2007 Asian Indoor Games and take a look.  It is clear and easy to understand. Coloane (talk) 10:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe impressing anyone is any of our intentions. If you cannot understand what a medal target is, perhaps you might wish to read the relevant sources first before telling people information should be removed due to your ignorance.--Huaiwei (talk) 12:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, so are we going to actually do this too at the upcoming Olympics? For sure several countries will issue targets. How about total medal targets? That anyone have that for this year's SEA Games? --Howard the Duck 12:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if you are able to find gold medal targets for at least half of all countries participating in the Olympics, you are most welcome to add that column. As for total medal targets, not many seem to publish this, hence their omission. Nothing is to stop their addition if more information can be found thou.--Huaiwei (talk) 16:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

text: ignorance?  I don't deny this and if I am, so what?  it won't lose a penny in my wallet.  I think that I had better read some relevant sources to figure out what target is and you Singaporean Huaiwei should go to the article of 2007 Asian Indoor Games to figure out what brief and wonderful table that we Macau people made.  What do you think?  PS: BTW, pay attention to the ranking of Macau and Singapore over there. Coloane (talk) 13:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes precisely, Coloane. So what if you are ignorant? I repeat my message: do not use ignorance as a excuse for deletion. And please lah. Is this some kind of a lame attempt to hard sell the 2007 Asian Indoor Games, which btw hardly makes the news in this region compared to the Sea Games, it seems? In all honesty, I have no idea who won that Gold medal for Singapore, but at least I do not go to the extreme of demanding an article deleted just because I "do not understand it"!--Huaiwei (talk) 16:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is pretty laughable.  For what I did is simply give you a comparison, but nothing related to unnecessary advertising.  May I quote what you said from above?  I guess this is some kinds of a lame attempt to hard sell SEA Games, what do you think?  but you know what, it doesn't matter actually if it is a SEA Games or AIG.  Who cares SEA Games? Singapore has neither power to win many medals nor capacity to launch any games locally.  I peronally want to puke after reading the result of 2007 Asian Indoor Games for Singapore.  No wonder you don't know who won the medal for Singapore.  Probably Singaporeans received too much corporal punishment (i.e. caning) from the Govt. that they are now basically semi-handicapped.  Yeah, it may affect the performance somehow.  I understand that!!!  Coloane (talk) 21:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mere comparison? Well I would be wondering just what sentences like "wonderful table that we Macau people made" is supposed to add value to this discussion then to tell others that a mysterious bunch of Macanese people has someone claimed ownership of a table, which is actually used in this article also. And oh yes you are certainly right, tragically. Poor Singaporeans are being flogged so badly that they can't exactly do much exercising due to their bleeding backsides. Would you like to make a donation to save us from our intense suffering?--Huaiwei (talk) 18:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Do you think that "target" is infringe the crystal ball policy, honestly "target" is not a fact, it is a prediction by one country, so it could be crystal ball, while even it is verifiable, but is not a "fact", this info should be avoidance. I do not support this kind of info insert into Olympic Games, clearly it is violate the crystal ball ruling, don't you think predictions should be avoidance? Is hard to say because people who add it are try to defend it, but the fact is, it just a "predictions", while we already have the fact inside. --Aleenf1 06:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unfortunate that I have constantly refer back to policies and guidelines, but if there is an obvious misinterpretation of policy, I think it must be corrected soonest possible. WP:CRYSTAL clearly states that wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. It elaborates further: "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, provided that discussion is properly referenced. It is not appropriate for an editor to insert their own opinions or analysis" The said medal target column has a referenced source for each individual entry. None of those figures were conjured up by the whims and fancies of any one wikipedian. Therefore, User:Aleenf1's claims that the column is an infringement of WP:CRYSTAL policy is completely unfounded and not tenable. It is also entirely false to claim that wikipedia is against reporting on "speculative" information. The key element is not speculation. It is verifiability. Verified speculation is certainly acceptable in wikipedia.--Huaiwei (talk) 18:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have taking this to village pump, certainly they said "speculation" or "predictions" from the news source should be avoid. I think you want to defend what you edit, a policy also state "merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia.", this can use also. I think you don't aware that the Games fact is that, certainly you revert the history by putting the future predictions, target, that is nonsense. --Aleenf1 23:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: what is target?

message: There is someone who try to add criticisms section on the article, however, there is no citation, biased and is subjective which can cause conflict between nations.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Megazawa07 (talk • contribs) 21:07, July 2, 2009
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