Talk:Bicolor cat

message: many pictures on the internet shows black and white cats that look almost alike...I wonder if tuxedo cat genes are that strong...and i'm not talking just my country...tuxedo cats copies are arround all the world! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.106.185.250 (talk • contribs) 
:No, the problem is that all humans have genes that make them ignore the obvious differences between tuxedo cats. <g>. - Nunh-huh 06:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed similarities in black and white cats-- for instance, the blaze up the face or the propensity for spots on the hindquarters-- but each one also looks unique. Mine had a little black spot on his nose *grins* was just a bicolor, not a tuxedo. Kuronue 19:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That comes from the piebald pattern that is common to all domestic cats. White spots on a cat always appear in specific places, and their size is also related to one another. This tends to give a consistent pattern of color-and-white (not just black, the same goes or all cat colours). That's why they look so similar.--Ramdrake 01:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: most black and white tuxedo cats are alike

message: From their appetite for plastic to their fetish for soap, it's not only their appearance that proves they are a breed apart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.246.6.220  (talk • contribs) 
:Having had two of them, I agree that tuxedo cats are unique and deserve their own entry (although I can verify that an appetite for plastic is not the unique element. WBcoleman 22:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Tuxedos are unique'''

message: The two should be merged.  The charts on the bicolor cat article make it quite clear that the tuxedo patterning is just that -- a patterning.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizabethjaneforrest (talk • contribs) 
:yes absolutely they should be merged. From a genetic standpoint, this is just a different degree of expression of the same gene. pschemp | talk 20:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and done the merge. pschemp | talk 20:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging Appropriate

message: Over three different talk pages people act like "Tuxedo" is a breed. It's not! It's a color! You can have a Tuxedo Domestic Shorthair, the most common, but I bet you could also have a Tuxedo Manx or a Tuxedo Ragdoll or any one of a million other breeds. And each breed has it's own personality type. Tuxedo cats in general do not share any specific personality traits, like "shy" or "friendly"-- it depends on the breed and to a large degree on the individual animal. sheesh. Kuronue 19:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not listed as a breed, it is listed as a type. Of course it isn't a breed, but that doesn't stop people from comparing alike things.pschemp | talk 23:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's not even really a color: it's a pattern. (Black, red, white, blue, cream, chocolate, lilac, apricot, etc. are cat colors). Just my tuppence.--Ramdrake 01:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cat breeds are far different that patterns, but many people like to group things together and forget about them. That's why stereotypes exist. For instance, I have a "cow cat" and a tuxedo cat that are brother and sister. Whenever I have introduced them and told people they are a brother-sister pair, I always get "I didn't know that cow cats and tuxedos were the same breed." They're not breeds themselves, but they are a type of a breed (bicolor). That's what's happened to me in the past, and I feel you, it can be annoying. The best way to deal with it is to ignore their ignorance, as people constantly sterotype things and tell others info that may or may not be the most accurate. Emerald (If you can give me tips, please do so here) (talk) 18:14, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: pet peeve

message: I'm still trying to figure out where I first saw the image, but the cat bicolour chart has been lifted from another site and is thus most probably a copyvio. I'm just trying to remember where I saw the chart first.--Ramdrake 01:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the website it is from: http://www.messybeast.com/bicolours.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.27.12 (talk) 01:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Bicolour cat chart

message: Would the anon who keeps inserting a copyvio image of a bicolor cat and removing the current image please come here to discuss the change rather than unilaterally reverting to their favorite image? Thanks! --Ramdrake 19:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert of the bicolor cat image on top of the article

message: It just struck me that as information is added to this page, the various pattern names cropping up (especially van, mask-and-mantle and cap-and-saddle), along with the illustration, are not varieties of bicolor cat but really varieties of the piebald pattern in cat coloring: all these patterns also exist in tortoiseshell/calico cats (hence tricolor). Thus, I would suggest we change the name of this page to something like piebald pattern (cat) or somesuch; alternately, it may be appropriate to split the article into "piebald pattern" and "bicolor cat".--Ramdrake 14:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of page may be becoming a misnomer

message: My cat is the perfect example of of a Tuxedo cat and I would like to add a picture for referance as to what one would look like. Her markings are symetrical and are limited to her belly feet chest chin and nose. Should I add her picture so how a textbook example of what Tuxedo looks like? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.82.181.224 (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: example

message: It would seem that it is true that in bicolor cats, there is universally a trend that the majority of coloration is on the back (dorsal) side of the body, while the majority of white spotting or non-coloration is on the belly (ventral) side of the body. Yet I don't want to add this apparent fact as original research... So, does anybody know of a source that makes this observation? Matt Gies 15:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dorsal/ventral color distribution trend

message: I know I've removed a picture by that name at least once before, if not more. What value does that particular picture add to the article? If you put something descriptive in the caption, or use it to replace a not-very-good image, then it can stay, I really don't care WHICH images are shown, but I want to avoid having more pictures than information. This isn't photobucket. Kuronue 14:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: removed Moustik again. Really, that picture shows nothing new that isn't shown better by the other examples, especially as it cuts off the feet so I can't use it to replace Sylvester's socks image Kuronue 06:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moustik 

message: I think the page on bicolour cats should illustrate the various coat patterns with images of cats, rather than the tuxedo pattern being illustrated with a fuzzy drawing of a person dressed as a cat. Using real cat photos is in my opinion both clearer and more accurate, and I see from the above discussion that there is no shortage of pictures to choose from! Tim Vickers 03:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just a random person, as the text of the article explains. Anyway, it seems like a picture that illustrates something other than just what cats look like is useful and needed, because we currently have 19 images, 17 of which are pictures of cats! --Masamage ♫ 05:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, the "popular culture section" could either have this image or an image of Jess, but the images at the bottom could be better used to illustrate the sections of article itself, rather than being grouped in a section by themselves. Tim Vickers 05:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that they're down there to help suppress the image-turnover of people constantly coming in and replacing the existing images with their own cats, which happens a lot in every cat article (and the other pet articles, and the anatomy articles...). Keeping a gallery, especially a limited one, seems to make the page at least a little easier to maintain. --Masamage ♫ 05:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see, bad design for the sake of editorial convenience. Well if I expand the text enough the present level of images will seem less excessive. Tim Vickers 05:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. :P --Masamage ♫ 07:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Iconic cultural image"

message: As I understand it (although this isn't my field) a recessive agouti gene produces all-dark colour (see ref 5). Does anybody know what sources were used for the statement in the lead that bicolour cats have a mutant agouti gene? Tim Vickers 04:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, got it. Tim Vickers 16:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Agouti gene

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Chloe adult.jpg

message: I would like to start a discussion to see if there is any support for Tmursch's undiscussed removal of the gallery. For the record, I believe the gallery is informative and well-constructed, so should be kept. Any other opinions?--Ramdrake (talk) 21:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it has a useful purpose as well - showing the extent of variation in the appearance of these animals, but I'm open to hearing arguments to the contrary. Tim Vickers (talk) 21:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The structured gallery was created as a concession against image overload - it shows variations that are only briefly described in the text, and I work hard to ensure that it remains small and each caption describes why this particular image is a particularly good specimen. Kuronue | Talk 00:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of image gallery by [[User:Tmursch]] 

message: The article says that cat coat color is determined by "fewer than ten genes". If one refers to Cat coat genetics, the number of genes identified, while still not that high, is certainly higher. This is why I tagged the sentence as dubious.--Ramdrake (talk) 00:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what this source says. Tim Vickers (talk) 01:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the ref. I sit corrected.--Ramdrake (talk) 18:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the difference is that there are lots more genes involved in coat length, colour and style, but only a few that determine the distribution of colour into this particular pattern. Tim Vickers (talk) 21:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: 1st link in the list opens at Highlander page.  The new link is needed. --Zara-arush (talk) 13:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Link 

message: The article omits the fact that pointed, mink and sepia genes can act jointly with bicolor genes giving for example bicolored Ragdoll or Snowshoe cats. What's more, in all 3 cases cats can be either solid or tabby(lynx) points/minks/sepias. 78.131.137.50 (talk) 00:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pointed, mink and sepia bicolors

message: The tuxedo picture section is getting out of hand. Previously there were 16. I deleted two that were patently not even tuxedo cats, but I'll leave it to someone else to choose which four pictures are the best representations of the pattern. Celestialteapot (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many pictures again...

message: I don't find anything to validate the statement "The tuxedo cat is also called Billicat". I see the citation is required to support the statement. Billicat seems informal/vague. The word "Billicat" should be removed if no citation can support the validity of the statement. Kimberry352 (talk) 01:23, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is a tuxedo cat also called "Billicat"? Citation?

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message: Mr. Mistoffelees is a cat from the musical CATS that hold magical powers. Mr. Mistoffelees is also a tuxedo cat. Tuxedo cats are said to hold magical powers so that is why Mr. Mistoffelees has those magical powers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.130.249.10 (talk) 15:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Mistoffelees 

message: the long haired tuxedo cat walking in the grass looks just like my kitty  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.152.3.11 (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kitty 

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message: The addition of :File:Black and white bicolor cat.jpg to the lead is not an improvement. We have a good lead image, and this image is just a bad picture of someone's pet. Meters (talk) 21:56, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead images 

message: Why does it mention Salem the cat, and then say Salem is not a bi-color cat 71.17.17.101 (talk) 02:19, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  sebrina the teenage witch