Talk:Cats (musical)

message: Alteration in lyrics from 'Chinks' to 'Siamese' was described as 'politically correct', a term that has negative connotations and is used primarily by critics of multiculturalism, etc.  I deleted the term and substituted a more neutral one.
:: Changed it back, it IS "politically correct" which is a neutral term, wheras calling it "modern sensibility" is POV.
Changed it to "racially insensitive."  Per Wikipedias own definition of the term political correctness, it is generally used in a pejorative sense and therefore not neutral.  I also renamed the title of this discussion, since it's about the use of the term "political correctness."  Rblum 22:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of "Political Correctness"

message: The plot is too long and far too detailed, it tells the entire musical, wheras I think it should just give an outline of sorts, short and simple instead of the entire show!
:Is there anymore to what happens in the musical, or is it really as devoid of story as the plot summary suggests?Artiste-extraordinaire 14:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think that officially, no, but there have been plenty of theories on the internet. Just read comments on some of the Cats 1998 songs from the musical's official YouTube channel and you'll see. Especially in the Bustopher Jones and Mr. Mistofelees videos. 2605:59C8:4377:B110:B532:BCA8:265F:3A1E (talk) 01:18, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Goog 207.35.157.242 (talk) 13:56, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: The musical's name, Cats, can be translated into Finnish, my language (=Kissat). However, since the Finnish word "kissat" may have a discriminating tone (against ladies) it never obtained a local translation. It's been known as "Cats" ever since its premiere.
:Producers almost never used local translations. The exceptions are Poland and Hungary. (And maybe Russia.)  Poland was Koty and Hungary advertised the show as both Macskak and Cats.  According the the press releases by RUG the producers of the Mexican show did an opinion poll to see if potential viewers would respond better to "Gatos".  Cats won. --Kunzite 13:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Shouldn't Cats the word be redirected to the article Cat? When people think about Cats they think about the species felis silvestris catus not the musical. The musical can be put in the disambiguation. For example search up Dogs in the search box, when someone types cats in the search box they more likely wanted to know about the Cat not some musical. Pseudoanonymous 22:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: I recently wrote a paragraph about a PSA featuring some of the Jellicles, which was deleted because apparently "they have been featured in many ads". Does this mean a section about the ads they have appeared in may be in order? I don't know what anyone else thinks, but if the Cats have appeared in a lot of ads, shouldn't we at least mention it? Lycanthrope777 20:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearance in Ads

message: "CATS has been touring throughout the UK, with stops in Portugal and Brazil. The current UK Tour 2006/07 is as follows:...Some cast changes are expected by the end of February, even though most of the ensemble will still be the same." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kunzite (talk • contribs) 21:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed section 

message: This show has had significant resonance, including emulation, spoofs, references to, etc. in popular culture. To cite one tiny example, the David Letterman show featured a recurring "advertisement" for Cats starring Chris Elliot that was a spoof, and David continued to mis-quote the opening lines of the song "Midnight". How about adding a section called something like "Cats in Popular Culture." I am not the one to start this. --NYCJosh 23:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture 

message: Ok so in popular culture I know that cats is universally panned, but could we get some sort of critical reaction section going?  Agree this show is utter far age, can someone locate a critic not afraid to say as much??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.154.132.83 (talk) 16:57, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this- I'm in Canada where "Cats" is not really a big deal and occasionally watch BBC shows where they seem to take it as given that everyone knows it and hates it (and all Andrew Loyd Webber musicals in general), and I don't understand why.  A section dealing with critical reception when it opened and current perception (in England) would be informative.  Just listing awards won doesn't really give a very big picture.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.147.91 (talk) 12:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Part of the reason lies in the persistent (and IMHO not unfounded) allegations of musical plagiarism by ALW. --87.244.71.152 (talk) 08:05, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism  

message: We seem to have a LOT of edits of people adding in their favourite performers to the "Notable Casts" sections here.  In a show that has been running nearly 30 years, in countless productions across almost the entire world, a comprehensive list of everyone who has performed in the show is simply not possible, and certainly not of interest!  Production information is valuable, when and where the show was performed, but not necessarily who was involved unless there was otherwise famous casting.
I propose, therefore, that this article includes the following CASTING information:  
Historical information:
Original Cast - London 1981 - created the show therefore notable
Original Broadway Cast - Musical theatre is so broadway-centric
1998 Video Cast - as the recorded version of the show, this is what most people are familiar with, linking information to performers' pages will be of interest.
One paragraph including notable Cats alumni - and it seems to me that the criteria for notability in Wikipedia is simple - do they already have a page?  If yes, they're notable.  If no, and their name is a redlink, not notable!  
CURRENT: 
But what to do about the current productions?  AFAIK there is currently the US tour, World Tour, major productions in Brazil and Japan, and the upcoming German/European tour.  Is all that casting information encyclopedic?  Will it all get added anyway?  
I'm going to go ahead and pare down the notable casts back to OLC, OBC and video.  I'd appreciate feedback on the current productions too!
Belle pullman (talk) 10:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the Original London, Original Broadway, and 1998 video are notable. I think the proliferation of cast lists is a problem in the article; however, part of the issue is that Cats is an ensemble show; in many musicals, one can just list a few major characters for each production. I don't think current tour casts are notable; tour casts change from year to year, and (in my opinion) the Cats tour casts have not been as good (or well-known) as the original casts and video cast. I also don't think the new foreign productions are particularly notable, as they're just basically a repeat of the original productions. Perhaps a Broadway or London revival would be notable (neither have happened yet). MarianKroy (talk) 15:19, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good! To be honest the page is starting to resemble a page of lists, which is against Wikipedia policy anyway under their "LINKFARM" policy heading.TR Wolf (talk) 00:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notabilty in the context of Cats Casts 

message: Can someone familiar with the musical please verify Eric the Half-a-Bee#CATS version (added 18 May 2010)? ToET 13:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eric the Half-a-Bee 

message: Is it really necessary to have a separate article for each of the characters from the show? There's no question that Cats is notable and deserves to be in an encyclopedia, but I don't feel that an entry is warranted for each fictional character. I know the guidelines for fictional characters is a bit fuzzy on WP, but what are other peoples thoughts? LogicalFinance33 (talk) 05:23, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that none of the characters are independently notable (for example, they haven't entered popular culture in contexts beyond the musical) and hence should me merged here or deleted. Klbrain (talk) 20:27, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: How could EP have "originated" the role of Grizabella if Judy Dench was in the premiere? Did EP stand in for JD when JD did her leg in? Myrvin (talk) 18:32, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes she did. Had a go at fixing it. Myrvin (talk) 18:47, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elaine Paige 

message: I've just had a go at rearranging some of the information in this article, however I feel that a lot of it is unnecessary to include. For example, the 'notable' cast lists seem excessive. It's still a popular show - must we include every professional production? Also, the sporadic chart listings for otherwise unmentioned recordings? Unless anyone has any strong feelings about these, I'm strongly considering removing them. Chewy5000 (talk) 05:35, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, the message you are replying to was made in 2016. The "notable cast list" section mentioned above has since already been trimmed extensively to remove all cast lists except those from West End/Broadway/films. Any other notable cast members are instead mentioned in prose in the "Production history" section. Please note that Wikipedia is not meant to be an indiscriminate collection of information, and adding a multitude of non-notable cast members would be more appropriate on a fan site than a general encyclopedia. Bennv3771 (talk) 14:20, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many lists 

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message: hello, i was wondering if it might be appropriate to add the west end revival cast to the table and so subsequent further 'cat' pages. what does everyone think?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosemaries19 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  west end revival cast? 

message: Could you consider including a bit about the recordings that have been made of the show? I see that you only have a section with the tracks of the London cast. It would be good to include any mention of the other Cats recordings that have been made in English and the foreign languages. The Broadway and Australian recordings are noteworthy in presenting numbers that were changed for productions after the London recording. Yip1982 (talk) 04:49, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast recordings 

message: I reverted an IP's addition of the 2019 US tour cast. My reasoning is that there have been a lot of national tours of this musical since the 1980s in the US, the UK and worldwide. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and the article would be unreadable if we were to include every single national tour cast that has ever existed. So what makes this particular cast "notable" but not the others? None of the cast members have their own Wikipedia articles, and it's not as if they are the only current professional touring production (there's one in Europe, one in Mexico and one in Japan right now). Currently the only tour cast listed is the first national US one. I would support removing that as well, though I can also see an argument that being the "first" may make them worth mentioning hence why I've left it alone. My point being, is there any compelling reason (i.e. not WP:RECENTISM or WP:PROMO) why the 2019 US tour cast should be listed? Bennv3771 (talk) 20:03, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable casts-- should we include the 2019 US tour? 

message: User:Bennv3771 just undid my edit mentioning Les Mis in 2006 overtaking Cats as longest running musical in London's West End, saying:
 "unnecessary and inaccurate; Phantom - not Les Mis - overtook it on Broadway which is one of the two theatre districts mentioned)"
Wouldn't this suggest adding both Phantom (Broadway) and Les Mis (West End) to further explain why Cats is no longer the longest running in either district?
The reason I made the edit, was because as soon as I read Cats used to be the longest running, I immediately found myself asking "what beat it?". Splidje (talk) 14:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't add both because I think such details are unnecessary for the lead, plus it would make the sentence awkwardly long. If a reader is interested in further details, that's what the rest of the article is for. If you're going to go ahead and add it in, please split the sentence to be more reader-friendly and link the correct article(s) this time. Bennv3771 (talk) 14:45, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Apologies. I hadn't noticed the information is further down! Yes, completely agree it's not necessary in the lead. Splidje (talk) 14:59, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest Running 

message: It's very unusual to have a single element of a musical given it's very own article.  Perhaps Heaviside Layer (Cats) could be merged to this article to give it appropriate context ? It's got nothing to do with atmospheric physics ro radio propagation, and the current title is an ulikely search term. --Wtshymanski (talk) 23:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems reasonable to me.  The  Heaviside Layer (Cats) article is extremely short, would make a reasonable subheading of the Cats (musical) article, but seems too short to be an article on its own. Geoffrey.landis (talk) 15:34, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

text: I approve of the merger, it is a very small article to have its own page Anonymous from the 21st century (talk) 21:42, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I agree with the points already made. In addition, I believe the Heaviside Layer referenced in Cats is in fact the Kennelly-Heaviside Layer of the ionosphere. They are not two different things. Sure, Cats uses the Heaviside Layer as a metaphor, but it is not standard WP practice to create separate articles about every nonliteral reference to an actual thing. E.g., there is no WP page for "crown" in the sense of "these lands belong to the crown". NillaGoon (talk) 21:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Wtshymanski (talk) 23:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggest merge February 2020 

message: The cats under 'Others' are linked to a page entitled 'Jellicle cats' where longer descriptions of the characters used to be. These descriptions are no longer there (the justification being that the Jellicle cats mentioned in that article referred only to the books, not the musical). Perhaps there needs to be a list made of characters from the musical? Chalisque (talk) 16:35, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cats listed under 'Others' is currently a broken link 

message: I didn't know how to accurately title this topic, but what it meant was: if you want to hear about part of the history and conception of Cats straight from the jellicle's milk-soaked mouth, Andrew Lloyd Webber livestreamed a reaction to the 1998 version, and while you can't see the musical (only faintly hear it), I recommend it if you want to confirm or deny some of the things this article says, as well as a video from the channel "The Show Must Go On!" in which there's a short interview where he talks about the origins and the initial conception of Cats. Triviatronic9000 (talk) 01:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cats Story In His Own Words