Talk:Italian lira

message: According to the article:
# 1 lira (0.052 Eurocent; rarely used)
# 2 lire (0.0103 cent; rarely used).
This means that that one lira is worth approxiamtely five times two lire. Someone should attempt to fix the math. 72.194.193.198 22:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Math

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message: Can anyone answer this...if the Italian lira went out of circulation in 2002 when the euro was introduced, why is the lira still quoted on the London Stock Exchange?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.15.182 (talk) 17:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian Lira conundrum 

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message: "Large volume production of the 1 and 2 lire coins ceased in 1959"
After 1959 1 & 2 lire coinage stopped. It begun again in 1968 but only for "collector set". 
References are:
* http://digilander.libero.it/maggioref/shortguide%202nd%20part.html
and italian manuals:
* Eupremio Montenegro. Manuale del collezionista di monete italiane . , Torino. 
* Fabio Gigante. Monete italiane dal '700 ad oggi. , Varese. 
--Carlo Morino aka zi' Carlo 10:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production of the 1 and 2 lire 

message: Berlusconi wants to increase exports and cannot devalue Italy's currency without leaving the Euro. He is threatening or promising to explore REINTRODUCING THE LIRA. At this stage, with some support from Paris/Sarkozy he is probably only SAYING this to put pressure on the ECB in Frankfurt. The article makes no mention of this, or are these developments too insubstantial to be "encyclopaedic".
Since lots of lira coins, and possibly notes are still out there in households and are exchangable for Euros until 2012, old coins could still be used after a reintroduction if the designs are kept the same. Changing them and invalidating the old ones completely would presumably cause a scandal. I have few thousand Lira in coins and I'm not in Italy!
http://www.eurointelligence.com/article.581+M595ca3cc327.0.html
--81.105.243.17 (talk) 15:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reintroduction 

message: Would it be appropriate to mention in this article the errors made in the first issue of the 1997 bimetallic 1000 Lire coin. This coin depicted a stylised map of Europe to celebrate increasing European union but separated West and East Germany (which was still shown merged into an Eastern Bloc with Poland), and also included Holland and Denmark within the same outline as West Germany. Following protests a new coin was issued which corrected these points. I'm not quite sure what counts as a reliable source material for this, although it is mentioned on a number of sites: 
http://www.iltrogolo.it/Attila/coins/1000_lire.htm
http://www.brainyhistory.com/events/1997/january_10_1997_174725.html
http://www.maphist.nl/ill/1997b15.htm
http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=1647&universeid=105&type=1
http://www.historyorb.com/events/date/1997
Additionally, I have a number of the coins in question myself.
Ma1cius (talk) 15:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 1997 1000 Lire coin 

message: There needs to be a section on the mints used before the current mint in Rome (est. 1922). With there mint marks kinds of coins etc.. minted and where / when noteable occurences happened to them!--Ant2242 (talk) 03:07, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mint Marks 

message: In reporting of the 2012–2013 Cypriot financial crisis, Foxnews says ".. in the 1990s, Italy levied a tax on every bank account to stave off the collapse of its lire currency. The rate, however, was minuscule — 0.06 percent ..". Does anyone know when this happened?  See also Talk:Bank deposit levy. --John Vandenberg (chat) 21:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  1990s collapse and levy 

message: Do you mean this? https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributo_straordinario_per_l'Europa 194.95.59.130 (talk) 10:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Eurotassa

message: In the second paragraph of this article, the words “pound” and “lira” are called “cognates.” That doesn’t agree with the definition and examples in Wikipedia’s own article “Cognate.” The words “pound” and “lira” are rather translations of each other, or, more accurately, are descended from such translations.
79.205.96.62 (talk) 10:32, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Cognate words

message: The article offers no information on what currency the lira replaced when it came into use in 1861.  That information should be added. Abenr (talk) 00:34, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Coin Did the 1861 Replace? 

message: I'm afraid I couldn't let the misrepresentation of the Unicode specification stand any longer, so I have corrected it. I believe it is largely incidental to the discussion above but if anyone disagrees, please feel free to revert. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: My bold edit while discussion in progress

message: I looked in Commons for ever postage stamp displayed for the 20th century. The result may not be totally conclusive but L. has it since the end of WWII. However most stamps just had the word "Lira".
Of course there would have been other issues between 1975 and 2002 but for copyright reasons Commons does not have them. Are they visible elsewhere? (I don't care enough to spend £27.95 on the relevant Stanley Gibbons catalogue!) --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:33, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: By my reckoning, if one includes the stamps of the Italian Islands of the Aegean, Commons has 14 x "L.", 16 x "£" and 157 x "LIRE" if one adds up all the pre- and post-war stamps. "£" was much more common before the war and very shortly after it, before disappearing from stamps by the 1950s. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 21:59, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Some search results: 1. Currency symbol on Italian postage stamps as an indication of the 'official' [state body] symbol

message: I only found one 'hit' where the relevant page was available:
* . In the figure, the resulting currency symbol displayed is L..
Is this a more reliable source than the pre-war documents above? Are there other free-text search engines? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:33, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Google Books produces a lot of hits with available pages for "Lit." as the symbol, both in Italian and international contexts, such as here here, here, here, here and here (please excuse the formatting), these are all dedicated financial sources.TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 22:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that persuades me that we have enough reliable sources for Lit. as being the primary abbreviation. I'm less sure that we have any evidence for a formal currency symbol but the new section can address that. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:52, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I agree there is no single symbol for the lira, I just want there to be a degree of consistency. I have updated the article using the "Lit." abbreviation in only the most appropriate places (such as exchange rates and listings of denominations not contained within sentences), otherwise "lira" or "lire" is used. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 01:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also found that the CIA World Factbook regarded "Lit." as the lira's sign, I have edited the article accordingly citing it as international recognition.TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 18:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Some search results: 2. Searching Google Books for "Simbolo di valuta" and "Lira"

message: All the Italian lira coins use L. without exeption.
This is the one that for me is conclusive. We can't get a more reliable source than the Bank of Italy. Can there now be any argumemt the standard symbol was L. ? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 21:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In its published documentation, the Bank of Italy used "Lit.", also used by commercial banks on miniassegno notgeld. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 22:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Some search results: 3. Italian coinage, the authorative source?

message: The Bank of Italy seem to have considered "Lit." to be the most "official" symbol for the lira, they used it on their annual reports for many years, until they had to omit a currency sign altogether by the late 1980s when the figures just became too large to include one, examples include page 197 of the 1982 report. It also enjoyed extensive usage by both Italian and international financial documentation. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to repeat what I wrote above but this is a more appropriate place for it: that persuades me that we have enough reliable sources for Lit. as being the primary abbreviation. I'm less sure that we have any evidence for a formal currency symbol but the new section can address that. I think you will need to distinguish between domestic usage and international usage, which won't be easy. [Was "Itl." really used domestically?] --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been mulling this over, perhaps the best solution might be to use "Lira/Lire" as one would use a conventional currency symbol as a prefix separated from the numerals by a non-breaking space.TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 14:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage by the Bank of Italy

message: :# "Acceptable" -> "accepted" (de jure v de facto)
:# "Lit.": add note to say that this was the style used by the Bank of Italy in its documents.
:# "L.": add note to say that this was the style used on all lira coins 
Agree? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 08:59, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done #1 and #3, would you do #2? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, I see. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:28, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Some suggested changes to the draft

message: I deleted the dubious plural "Liras" because the OED doesn't recognise it. It is the illiterate equivalent of "panini's" [sic]. However, there at many instances of "Turkish Liras" on the web, so perhaps it belongs int the generic Lira article? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:38, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lira [sic] 

message: I deleted the dubious plural "Liras" because the OED doesn't recognise it. It is the illiterate equivalent of "panini's" [sic]. However, there at many instances of "Turkish Liras" on the web, so perhaps it belongs int the generic Lira article? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 21:29, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lira [sic]