Talk:Passive-aggressive behavior

message: I am NOT advocating that the condition does not exist - please, do not get me wrong - it is simply that the article is misleading.
Sadly, this article is good example of how strongly people want to believe in a phenomenon, rather than in facts. There is no scientific material available to back up a hypothesis that this is even a condition! PAPD is (as the text indeed points out) an unresolved matter in modern psychiatry, but "passive-aggressive" as a supposed behavior trait, is merely a pop-psych term. Even the book used for reference here, "Living with the Passive-Aggressive Man", is not a serious medical/psychiatric evaluation - it is a dimestore paperback! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparviere (talk • contribs) 17:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Pseudo-science?

message: This article only offers two sentences by way of treatment. Is there anyone in this community that might be able to offer more content regarding the details of treatment for this disorder?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by IsaacD (talk • contribs) 20:39, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Treatment

message: The American Psychiatric Association has not released its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders into public domain, but claims copyright. The Wikimedia Foundation has received a letter of complaint (Ticket:2010030910040817, for those with access) about the use of their diagnostic criteria in this and a number of other articles. Currently, this content is blanked pending investigation, which will last approximately one week. Please feel free to provide input at the copyright problems board listing during that time. Individuals with access to the books would be particularly welcome in helping to conduct the investigation. Assistance developing a plan to prevent misuse of the APA's material on Wikipedia projects would also be welcome. Thank you.  Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright problems with diagnostic criteria

message: Isn't "Living with the Passive-Aggressive Man" just a self-help book? It does not seem a very credible source for an article in an encyclopedia, especially since it views passive-aggression from a narrow point of view. It focuses on males only, "from the bedroom to the board room", in one specific culture, right? In most cultures, females are not permitted to express aggression openly, so to focus only male passive-aggression in this article and completely ignore female passive-aggression is a big problem. I think this article could be greatly improved by finding better source material, especially for the "Signs and Symptoms" section. Thanks, PB.
Can't help but feel this article is unfairly biased against the passive-aggressive personality trait. Sure, it's not fun to be on the receiving end of it. But it's hella fun to do. Besides, there are times when it might be called for, or the only avaiilable action besides open confrontation, which may be undesirable.
Would suggest a rewrite to remove the 'negative' definition, or at least tone it down.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.17.220 (talk) 13:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased? 

message: Casino gambling puts a person's fate in the hands of luck which the person knows is biased in favor of the casino.  This appears to be passive-aggressive conduct.
:No it is to do with reinforcement theory.--Penbat (talk) 12:39, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The gambling connection 

message: What happened to the criticism section? Conflict theory and Marxist philosophy would posit that so-called passive-aggressive behavior is a rational response to a society wherein the structures of production exploit the individual and leave him or her no legitimate means of resistance. Passive aggressive behavior is a rational response to human exploitation and mistreatment by inhuman institutions. 
74.160.194.39 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 21:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding of the term is that it is in fact inappropriate to use the term passive-aggressive when talking about a situation where it is an appropriate response--it is Passive Resistance under those circumstances.  It is passive-aggressive in contexts where it creates conflict or undermines efforts to resolve it--when it is used by an individual to exploit others by refusing to permit them to accommodate the individual.  Basically?  It's when an individual turns an effort to determine what they want into a guessing game.  This is also what makes it aggressive. 75.177.89.14 (talk) 22:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section? 

message: A series of edits with no edit summaries deleted a reference for material and introduced a significant amount of unsourced material. I am reverting those edits under WP:BRD. I don't object to the material per say, but changing referenced material to unsourced, and adding more unsourced material is problematic to maintaining WP:Verifiable content. I am requesting sources of the material before re-adding. Ward20 (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced material 

message: I don't think this book deserves such an important place in this article, it isn't scientific at all. It is for unhappy women.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.241.39.144 (talk) 21:54, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The book Living with the Passive–Aggressive Man 

message: 
Anyone think this tag should stay? - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 23:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ref improve section|June 2010|date=June 2010 removed 

message: I removed this photo from the lead paragraph because it doesn't represent passive-aggressive behaviour. Passive aggression is where a request is made indirectly to give the pretense that it isn't really being made. "I would have had a great day if I hadn't been cleaning up someone's mess" rather than "can you please clean up your mess?". The fact that it's in a note or any other medium doesn't really have a bearing, and in the case of the photo I don't think there's even a reasonable alternative medium. This seems to be a common enough misunderstanding that I think it'd be worthwhile mentioning it in article. Quietbritishjim (talk) 20:05, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree! Lova Falk talk 08:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

text: So do I, but there is clearly confusion. See my section above (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Passive-aggressive_behavior#Why_is_it_called_Passive_Aggressive.3F). I strongly believe this article should have a section exploring what passive-aggressive behavior is NOT, or at least come to terms with the fact that the term is now used more broadly than it originally was. --Semitones (talk) 03:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed lead photo 

message: The first paragraph in this section said the following:
It occurs in the workplace or interpersonal contexts, but behavior is not considered passive-aggressive if exhibited during a Major Depressive Episode or cannot be attributed to Dysthymic Disorder.
The source of this sentence was DSM-IV. I checked, and saw that the text in DSM-IV is not about passive-aggressive behavior, but about the diagnosis Passive-Aggressive Personality Disorder which is not made if the passive-aggressive behavior is part of depression/dysthymia. However, it still is passive-aggressive behavior! So I moved (and copyedited) the sentence to the section Diagnosis as a personality disorder. Lova Falk talk 06:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Pervasive across the entire article is the lack of distinction between the personality disorder (a specific diagnosis, controversial or not) and "passive aggressive behavior" which has a clear enough meaning in ordinary English and requires no particular scientific proof. Personality disorders are not the same as behaviors. You can get pissed off at your boss or spouse and behave passive aggressively without having Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder. Without going and looking, I'd venture a guess that this problem occurs in all the wikipedia articles about personality traits which have the same names as diagnoses, it occurs because of the nature of mob-think-editing which characterizes wikipedia, and against which i work at least tirelessly if not passive aggressively. 69.201.168.196 (talk) 14:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section: In psychology 

message: Where, if anywhere, does PAPD appear in DSM-V? Is it still in an appendix? Has it been removed altogether? --Lezek (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  DSM-V 

message: Interpreting this phenomenon should clarify that it is not an action, it is a reaction. A reaction from a receiving end. From what end? From an offending end. It mighty not be the most desirable or constructive reaction, but it does not warrant being classified as a flaw or disorder. Apparently, those who would classify this as a disorder would expect one to behave as one is told without objection, which is clearly a disorder in itself. Accusations of it might even be construed as hypocritical and passive-agressive acts themselves, which makes it a juxtaposed oxymoron and likely an abuse of psychiatry. As mentioned extensively in this section, it lacks scientific sources and that should be mentioned in the article itself. This term belongs only in episodes of dr.Phil and not in scientific articles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.42.228 (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfair 

message: Under the heading "In the workplace" there is a line "Warner in the ad for his online ebook says".
I would like to know, who the fuck is Warner and why does his ads deserve encyclopedic status ?
This entire article is about a concept invented by snake oil vendors to explain how buying their ebook will solve your "bad employee" problem without having to do anything because, surprise, your bad employee is having a mental health issue from the DSM ! Of course it isn't because you treat them like crap, they're the ones in the wrong.  Thanks WARNER ! 141.119.184.10 (talk) 16:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warner ? questionable legitimacy ? 

message: suppose the donkey in Winnie the Pooh deserves a mention.
i'd also prefer a line on how passive-aggressive behaviour is favored (and is therefore selected for) by most societies to an openly aggressive one. (even though constructive behaviour is more welcome, indeed. (but perhaps there's a selective pressure against cooperation in some societies/environments as less adaptive.)  also there could be a word about manipulation which might overlap w/ passive-aggressive behaviour.)
176.63.176.112 (talk) 18:19, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  art, culture 

message: this behavior, which is a personality disorder, an indirect expression of hostility and all the rest of it, consists (with the exception of the "deliberate" part, which, though, is only an alternative) simply of failing to do one's utmost? This can't be it. ("You hate me!" - "What makes you think that?" - "Well, just look at your performance!" - "Well, I'm sorry all right for that, and I've said so, but as for - heavens! - hating you, I've never had the slightest itch to"... "You're being passive-aggressive!" Seriously?) Not wishing to cover up my own faults, but ever since Adam, perfect men have been a rarity to say the least.--2001:A61:20FC:7B01:5D77:6EAE:E500:E90E (talk) 08:51, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: So, according to the lead