Talk:List of law enforcement agencies in the United Kingdom, Crown Dependencies and British Overseas Territories

message: Surely, the ICO in the UK is considered as a law enforcement authority, responsible for (inter alia) the UK Data Protection Act (2018).
217.138.133.34 (talk) 11:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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message: User:Dibble999 and I have been bold and worked on a re-write of the article that makes this more of an article rather than just a list, and talks about the varying types of force and jurisdiction. We've done a bit in a sandpit but I'm now sticking it here to stop any forking of the article. All additions / critisisms welcome! Sapient 23:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: I have edited this artickle with legitimate material relating to law enforcement activities undertaken by the Fire Authority and Local Authorities in the UK
The do have a legitimate Law Enforcement function and should be included witthin this article
Whoever keeps deleting it please kindly discuss why you are deleting them!   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.244.223.82 (talk) 15:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please be courteous

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replies: text: Maybe we could merge the non-list content into Policing in the United Kingdom?  I think having both a police forces of the United Kingdom and a policing in the United Kingdom would be confusing.  Morwen - Talk 21:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: I removed Warwickshire and Coventry Constabulary because it was just a merger of two existing forces without an interesting name.  This is not exactly consistent, but I think if we add this type of force we should add them all.  But then it gets rather tricky - do we list the pre-1974 Lancashire Constabulary as a former force?  Morwen - Talk 22:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should include all forces which have changed their name, unless that is merely from "Constabulary" to "Police". -- Necrothesp 20:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So that means we include Essex and Southend-on-Sea Joint Constabulary despite the fact that it saw just a rename to Essex Police in 1974 not an actual change in territory?   Morwen - Talk 10:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, strictly speaking it was an entirely new corporate entity with a different name, just covering the same area. Owain (talk) 11:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And yes, I do think we should include it. -- Necrothesp 16:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Done. Morwen - Talk 16:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Liverpool had Market Police from 1860 to 2005, presumably other cities had similar police forces?     --jmb 00:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of former forces

message: Some of you might have noticed the  template has been quite volatile recently. Your input is welcome: Template talk:UK Police#It's got bigger again. Thanks/wangi 13:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volatile template 

message: Something needs adding to show the existance of this new national enforsement agency
see http://www.soca.gov.uk/
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thread_title:  Serious Organised Crime authority 

message: The title and first paragraph of this article appears to have been regionalised to fit USA parlance.  In the UK the term 'law enforcement agency' is rarely, if ever, used.  The first paragraph has been drastically re-written to the point where it doesn't make sense in terms of day to day policing of the public and there are a number of points which I take issue with.  Dibble999 (talk) 17:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: policing ≠ law enforcement. this article used to be concerned soley with preventative police forces which was inaccurate. we haven't even mentioned local councils who have powers for dog waste etc. if you have specific points, please raise them here :) ninety:one 17:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

text: policing is but a subset of law enforcement. this article is about the agencies, so the every person powers are irrelevant. every country article is 'law enforcement in x'. in britain, we have become used to the vast majority of law enforcement being carried out by police forces. but in the last few years, SOCA, UKBA and others have got more powers that justify their presence in this article. if someone came looking for police forces, they would find a short description at the very top of the page, and their local force in the first section. this article presents an overview of the LEAs, with the police coming first. i'll try to make the distinction clearer now. ninety:one 11:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Apologies on my part, I was somewhat complacent. When I went to edit the LEOs I saw exactly what you meant! Yes, the bodies with investigatory powers don't really deserve to be here... but i don't know where else they could go? ninety:one 14:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Americanised Title 

message: I am recommending the stub articles listed in this section be redirected here.  Port of Bristol Police and Port of Dover Police are not stubs and are not affected by this proposed merger.  Larne Harbour Police is under AfD (discuss), I will be proposing a merger here as a possible resolution to the AfD.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I support the inclusion of this data in a list format but can't see an argument for deleting what are perfectly valid stubs. The material should also appear in the article on the associated port. This would allow more detail than a list format and retention of appropiate images. Euryalus (talk) 22:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The concern is one of notability of the police forces in question.  See the Larne AfD discussion for background.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The merger proposal has no consensus, will remove tags from articles. ninety:one 22:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ports police 

message: This list (List of police forces in Wales sorted by region) is entirely redundant. Drseuk has just taken the first part of the name of each police force and specified it as the relevant "region".  Needless to say each "region" only contains one police force, so it provides no useful information at all. Furthermore, these "regions" aren't generally recognised as regions in any other sense, so what exactly is the purpose of this article? Owain (talk) 18:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't agree more.  This has to be a contender for the prize of Most useless page on Wikipedia. Skinsmoke (talk) 16:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree, this page provides no useless information other than two or three forces, and yet it's not a disambiguation page. Mr.TrustWorthy----Got Something to Tell Me? 18:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger from List of police forces in Wales sorted by region 

message: The National Police Air Service should probably be added to the article but I've no idea in which section it should be added. --Thefrood (talk) 00:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: National Police Air Service

message: Fictional lists are usually in separate pages - this should probably be a section of List of fictional institutions or maybe split to a new page. Peter James (talk) 11:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional police forces - move to a separate page? 

message: I have edited this article a lot, attempting to update the information and improve accuracy. A lot has been restructured, mainly to improve accuracy, however if you feel any of my edits were incorrect please manually change that specifically to avoid reverting other, accurate changes. Regards, Rob (talk) 22:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major clean up 

message: Although Crown Dependencies, and Overseas territories are not part of the UK per say they do have British nationality and citizenship according to their respective articles and a British citizenship act passed in 1981. They are technically British; so it could be helpful to list them in this article. Overseas territories aren't technically part of the UK proper either. 
I could suggest as an alternative to listing both territories and dependencies in the article that a separate article that lists Crown Dependency and Overseas territories police forces be created separately and just linked to the current list of UK police agencies in a see also section.
Mrld (talk) 23:24, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm okay with creating a new article or leaving them here, however my preference would be to simply remove the Crown Dependencies as they are listed at List of law enforcement agencies and politically are not territories of the UK, therefore in my opinion are not related enough to be covered in an article about the UK's agencies, or the UK's territories agencies. Regards, Rob (talk) 23:44, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Overseas territories

message: Much of this article is structured by legal basis. I don't think this is exactly helpful to readers. Instead, simply stating what kind of unit/force they are might be more useful. I don't think the fact that the British Transport Police is defined in legislation as a "Special police force" is really relevant. And contrasting it with other national units/forces such as the National Domestic Extremism Unit, based on being defined differently in law seems pointless. I recommend, for the special police units, we have a summary paragraph, stating what they are, and the different kind of laws they may be defined under, then just list them all in one list. Similarly, other sections could do with restructuring based on the same principles. Rob (talk | contribs) 14:50, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal basis and article structure 

message: Law enforcement agencies in British dependent territories are 'British law enforcement agencies', but not 'law enforcement agencies in the United Kingdom'. We could properly expand the scope of the article to include these agencies, but it would require moving the article to 'List of British law enforcement agencies', and a little rewording. Thoughts? Rob (talk | contribs) 15:25, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accept scope of article and move to 'List of British law enforcement agencies'? 

message: I would suggest you need to clarify what is meant by 'limited executive powers' and 'purely investigatory'.
E.g. Environmental Health and Trading Standards Officers in Local Authorities have powers of entry to business premises without a warrant; powers to seize goods and documents; and, in the EH case, powers to order premises to cease trading temporarily.  Both take prosecutions through the local Council without involving the Police or Crown Prosecution Service, up to and including fraud cases
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thread_title:  Definitions 

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message: Literally a law unto themselves.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:490:A600:1DED:3C54:7DF3:9B88 (talk) 20:14, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonsense. The Shomrim (neighborhood watch group) article you refer to makes clear that they are a neighbourhood watch group, and neither a police force nor "paramilitaries."  They also do not have police powers, for example the power to make arrests. This List is about law enforcement agencies, not neighbourhood watch groups or civilian patrols. -- Euryalus (talk) 13:09, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
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message: The title of the wiki page is willfully misleading, these so-called 'neighborhood watch group'. - in Britain, notwithstanding their Jewish headwear, strut about in full police-force uniform and are armed with full police force weaponry and drive about in police cars in fill police livery. Anyway, like I said, this article needs to link to wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim_(neighborhood_watch_group)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:490:A600:49E3:6AAA:8A8E:A08A (talk) 06:08, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a police force. See section above. -- Euryalus (talk) 13:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
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message: I note that at the bottom of the article there is developing a huge (and growing) list of fictional police forces that have been portrayed in TV, Film and other productions. I'm not really sure that this article is the best place for this list of made up forces. The article is about actual police forces in the United Kingdom along with some detail about juridiction and remit etc. I don't believe this article is the place for a list of fictional forces. My suggestion is to remove the list and if someone wants to create a new article about these fictional forces they are more than welcome but I really don't see the encyclopedic benefit - they don't exist etc - they can be added to the individual film or TV production article if required. Just seems a bizzarre list added to the bottom of this aticle.  Thoughts anyone? Bowchaser (talk) 09:10, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. It's also unsourced and has large quantities of original research, detailing what the fictional police forces might be, had they been real police forces in the same area. If there's an encyclopaedic need for a "List of fictional police forces in the United Kingdom" then this material can be transferred there with the appropriate attribution. -- Euryalus (talk) 09:49, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems there is no disagreement after 2 days since my query.  I shall remove the list for the reasons outlined above by myself and Euryalus.  If somebody disagrees after deletion, can we discuss here.  Thanks Bowchaser (talk) 14:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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