Talk:Latent autoimmune diabetes in adults

message: This article was in dire need of clarification on the differences and similarites between type 1, type 2, and latent autoimmune diabetes (LADA).  I added substantial material including diagnostic testing to help differentiate between the three forms of diabetes and references.  Later, when I have time I will also hyperlink diabetes terms to Wiki's definitions.
Hopefully, what is now present in this majorly revamped article, will serve as a solid backbone for others to continue to improve upon (if needed.
I really hope to see this article stay because millions of adults are misdiagnosed as having type 2 diabetes but have LADA and end up insulin dependent for life.  It would help many adults to know that not all type 2 diagnosis are correct.  
Islets of Hope 06:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement of article

message: I have classified this article as a stub as it needs a lot of work such as wikification and sourcing. Capitalistroadster 06:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub classification

message: I'm sorry that I'm not in a position to work on this article at the moment.  But I can contribute a userbox... Arikk (talk) 21:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.  As I've recently had my Type II diabetes re-diagnosed as LADA, I'd like to use this.  Where do I put it, and how?  JDZeff (talk) 23:17, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: Thank you guys on your own improving on this piece of diabetes article in Wikipedia. We students began studying Latent Autoimmune Diabetes three years ago, although at that time not enough information existed which could be really trusted. Some diabetes groups—in particular, the American Diabetes Association—often get LADA confused alongside adult type 01 diabetes too frequently.
Moreover, contrary to whatever certain source on diabetes might be saying, some people with Latent Autoimmune do carry family histories of T2DM in their brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, parents, nieces, nephews, etc. That's because a TCF7L2 gene has association with type 2 diabetes which is shared with the LADA.
Also, not every Latent Autoimmune Diabetic Adult is skinny or slim—certain Latent Autoimmune resources say that some people affected with the Latent Autoimmune Diabetes are plus sized; these plus sized people often receive incorrect diagnoses and treatment because of their weight and because that TC7FL2 (and possibly certain other genes connected with type two may trigger enough resistance to insulin, making the individual acutally look like classic T2.
ISU Students from 129.255.1.116 (talk) 16:48, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: When I was first diagnosed as Type II, I was 5'10" and 216 pounds.  Now, fourteen years later, I've been re-diagnosed with LADA.  I've shrunk a tad, so I'm 5'7" and I weigh about 163, and have been down below 150 at one point.  The loss had nothing to do with diabetes, but it's been hard at times to maintain a proper weight while keeping my blood sugar under control.  I mention this to show that in my case, at least, my weight doesn't seem to have any effect on my diabetes one way or the other, something that other diabetics looking here might find useful.  (It's here, not in the article because it's only an anecdote, and not appropriate for the main article.)   JDZeff (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Iowa State University|ISU]] Student Class regarding [[Latent autoimmune diabetes|LADA]] 

message: This article currently has a disambiguation hatnote at the top of the text.  This hatnote indicates that LADA is the primary target for searchers of Diabetes type 1.5. However, in this edit on 15 July 2009 editor Jfdwolff indicated that some users might be looking for Ketosis-prone diabetes when searching for type 1.5.  That generated a need for this hatnote.  For more information about this see Talk:Diabetes type 1.5. Please do not remove this hatnote without discussion and consensus.  Thanks. --Bejnar (talk) 03:42, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I am simply following WP:BRD and I gave an explanation why I didn't think the hatnote was useful. Please provide evidence that anyone uses "DM type 1.5" to describe ketosis-prone DM2. I support the redirect from diabetes type 1.5 to this page, but I don't think a hatnote is required. JFW | T@lk 06:23, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: JFW asked: Please provide evidence that anyone uses "DM type 1.5" to describe ketosis-prone DM2. The issue is not whether any academic uses type 1.5 to described KPD, but whether anyone searches that way. JFW indicated that such inquiry would likely be the case when JFW added the Ketosis-prone option to the Diabetes type 1.5 article page and turned it into a disambiguation page, with this edit and this edit. In that second edit summary JFW said it is definitely a disambig - the term is applied to both. KPD is referred to in the literature as an intermediate form of diabetes.  See the articles there cited.  Also, not everyone is comfortable with including KPD with type 2. See the articles there cited.  --Bejnar (talk) 17:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation hatnote

message: This article should be renamed to Latent autoimmune diabetes in adults, since that is the full, complete term. --125.25.44.133 (talk) 01:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Named Latent autoimmune diabetes of adults instead. JFW | T@lk 19:53, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like in adults is the correct term, may I ask why of was used? All sources use in.  ping. --Treetear (talk) 12:00, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

text: Agree based on review of the sources (both in this article and basic literature search). "Adult-onset autoimmune diabetes" is also used, see doi:10.1038/nrendo.2017.99 JFW | T@lk 06:41, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should be renamed 

message: The fact is, Latent Autoimmune Diabetes of Adults could be between three million and eight million Americans depending on whatever sources are there. There are also TCF7L2 genes associated with the Latent Autoimmune Diabetes. I wanna also mention some people who have LADA do have a family history for Type 2, and that T2DM is very similar to LADA, though unlike Type 2 Diabetes, this medical condition is autoimmune. LADA is very serious, that's a reason more proper sources may be best to verify the actual information. Furthermore, not everyone is skinny or thin: some may be overweight when having the LADA. I have a female cousin with LADA. This LADA article may require whatever sources are there that can verify these connections to LADA.
September 1988 00:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you could provide us with WP:MEDRS-compliant sources (reviews or textbooks) it might be easier to have a constructive discussion here. doi:10.1210/er.2007-0026 is a source that is relevant to intermediate diabetes states (it discusses three forms). Of course overweight people can have islet autoimmunity, and "double diabetes" is recognised. Fundamentally, there is an overlap territory. JFW | T@lk 23:16, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues on LADA 

message: There are many areas within this article that imply medical advice.  I think that rewording these particular parts is necessary in accordance with Wiki Policy (c.f., WP:MEDRS).    148.177.1.211 (talk) 19:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medical advice 

message: See  for a review source. LeadSongDog come howl! 19:56, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing for the History section 

message: The (apparently retired) editor  appears to be related to the website [isletsofhope.com], which xhe selfcited as a reference in this article while copypasting text. This wp:copyvio has stood for several years, but still needs to be removed, as it violates several policies. Even if its use were legal, the source cannot be considered to be wp:MEDRS. LeadSongDog come howl! 21:36, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  COI editor 

message: For what reason is there a copyright notice on this page Latent autoimmune diabetes of adults? What material is in violation of any copyright? Please tell me. Angela Maureen (talk) 17:52, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not the person who tagged the article, Angela Maureen, but all of the content copied from  without verified permission. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:01, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  the copyright notice 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: Not many medical physicians know about LADA in the U.S.,; there's only the basic Type 1 diabetes or Type 2 diabetes. Also, not many magazines about diabetes publish info related to latent autoimmune diabetes. There should be more information about latent autoimmune diabetes than there is now. Angela Maureen (talk) 18:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Please use this space to discuss the article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the topic.  Thanks Jytdog (talk) 19:52, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latent autoimmune diabetes of adults in general 

message: It says the article relies too much on refs to primary sources. Please tell me about the problem. Angela Maureen (talk) 01:42, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: hi, thanks for asking.  per the policies, WP:OR and WP:VERIFY, and the guideline WP:RS, everything in WP should be sourced from secondary sources and primary sources should be used rarely and with care.  For health-related content, this is even more important.  There is a guideline for health content, called WP:MEDRS.  It describes what are considered to be reliable secondary sources for health related content. (and if you wonder why WP is more anal about health content, please make sure you read the lead of MEDRS, and maybe also see the lead of my draft essay,  Why MEDRS?.  thanks again for asking. Jytdog (talk) 01:51, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

text: i put a template at the top of this page, that contains automatically created links to reviews at pubmed.  those will generally be OK secondary sources per MEDRS. generally. Jytdog (talk) 01:52, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  the primary source problem 

message: I happened to see this general press article about the role of race in diagnosing LADA. I am posting this because I thought this might be of interest. Medical issues are not my expertise, but I was wondering if anyone has seen anything about the impact of race in LDA diagnosis in secondary or tertiary sources in medical literature (e.g., something WP:MEDRS worthy).
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Peaceray (talk) 17:35, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for sharing, Peaceray. Sadly, that's not surprising. There's substantial literature on how Black, Native American, and Hispanic folks are underdiagnosed, misdiagnosed, and ignored when it comes to diagnosing a broad array of conditions in the US. The more a disease is studied, the more literature there will be covering that element of it (example from lung cancer since I was working on that article recently). If there's not substantial literature for LADA, it's only because it's a bit of an up-and-coming disorder. Some folks consider it just slow-and-late-onset type 1 diabetes, so it's sometimes lumped into that for statistics. I'm (slowly) working on updating the type 1 diabetes article now, and will move onto the other diabetes types next. If no one beats me to it, I'll poke around and see if I can find some nice sources on this. Ajpolino (talk) 18:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role of race in diagnosing  LADA