Talk:Goody

message: It is also a company L89181 02:39, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: I am adding this definition again.
*Goody or goodie, a protagonist or hero in a story or film.
A user deleted it stating it should not be here as the term goody itself is not mentioned in the protagonist or hero articles. I believe it should be here as it is a very well known term and is a likely search term, it is mentioned in the Oxford English Dictionary. As a child I used this word, I think young readers may not know the word protagonist and search with the term goody for a relevent article. The word goody is not mentioned in the protagonist or hero articles but I do not belive it has to be for the word to appear here in a one line definition in a disambiguation page. Many slang or alternative words for subjects redirect to the subject or are included in disambiguation pages without the main article listing these alternative words/terms that are linking in from disambiguation pages. For an example look at the well known rude slang words tit and boob both disambiguation pages that mention breast, although breast article does not mention those terms. Also covered in the OED, the well known term baddie, disambiguation page mentions villain or antogonist, although those articles do not mention the word baddie. I will also add the OED as a reference although probably not really neccassary for a disambiguation page.
Carlwev (talk) 13:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Carlwev, I can only speak for myself, but the reason that I previously removed hero and protagonist from the Goody DAB page is because the terms goody and goodie do not appear anywhere in these articles (WP:DABRELATED), so readers following those links in hopes of finding out more about the term, would be disappointed. External links are not used because DAB pages are supposed to direct readers to existing content (WP:DABREF). Leschnei (talk) 14:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for bringing this up, I can understand your point. But I don't think it's necessary for all terms coming in from disambiguation pages and/or redirects to be mentioned at the target page. Many topics could have a large number or alternative terms/words referring to them that also link from disambiguation pages, I'm not sure it is necessary to list all of them at the main article. As a child I understood the concept of a "goody" in a story but I was completely unfamiliar with the word "protagonist" which is the closest meaning. My thoughts were if a child or perhaps also a person who does not speak English as a first language wishes to look for the topic "protagonist" they may not know which term to use to search. I cannot see any harm in listing protagonist on the goody disambiguation page, I thought it was the main point of disambiguation pages. BTW Some time in the past a user said something along the lines of, they were not familiar with the word goody used to mean "protagonist" and doubted it had this meaning. I added the reference to the OED to show it was used in this way, although I thought may have been a bit unnecessary for a disambiguation, but it showed it was correct, if anyone doubted it. Also for example, compare to.
#On the Goody disambiguation page it also lists Confectionary and Candy as possible meanings, those articles also have no mention of the word goody/goodies.
#Baddie - The disambiguation page lists "villian and "antagonist" as a possible meanings. But those articles do not mention the word "baddie" (BTW I added antagonist to this disambiguation page, but villain was added by someone else). It also lists badminton as a meaning, but that article doesn't mention Baddie either.
#I was trying to think of other slang/informal words children or non-native English speaking users may use before they know the "formal" word. Boob and tit are disambiguation pages that list breast, but that article does not mention those slang/informal words words either. In fact Boob page mentions breast as the main meaning, but still the page on breast does not mention boob.
#Also, you me or someone else could simply add the term "goody" to the protagonist page, with the OED reference. I may do this in the future. I read the links to disambiguation page usage you posted above, it would make sense.  Carlwev  11:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Protagonist/hero