Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/4

message: Classic toy. More interwikis (if less daily views) than  or  we list here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Spinning top}} 

message: and  are significantly smaller cities in smaller countries than  and . The current listing is a result of bias against CAR and Mauritania, less generally visible African countries in English media than Botswana and Namibia.
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# Support as nom. J947 ‡ edits 00:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  African capitals: swap {{VA link|Gaborone}} and {{VA link|Windhoek}} out for {{VA link|Bangui}} and {{VA link|Nouakchott}} 

message: Proposing for similar reasons in my proposal for iPhone and iOS above. Interstellarity (talk) 23:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swap [[Mac operating systems]] for [[Mac (computer)]] 

message: We had a lot of discussion on the level 5 talk pages regarding changes to the rules of proposals, but very little discussion on the other levels. I would like to point out some things I have found compared to other levels. Levels 1-4 state that discussions run for 15 days before being closed while level 5 says 14 days. I think we should enjoy consistency with all the levels. Should there be a minimum number of participants before closing? Maybe add a minimum discussion open time after last comment. Comment here. Interstellarity (talk) 00:43, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Imo there's no need to implement changes for the sake of consistency. Level 5 discussions run for a shorter period of time because there are many more articles to deal with at that level and thus a shorter discussion time would accelerate the process. feminist🩸 (talk) 12:59, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: +1, however seems that Level 5 should be set at 15 and it has the least disruption? Aszx5000 (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vital articles rules for other levels besides level 5 

message: The opposite of . Has historical significance though not as common as it used to be. Interstellarity (talk) 23:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Landline}} 

message: Seems to be the right place for them. They are there at level 5. Interstellarity (talk) 16:20, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that these are more companies/businesses than a "technology" (i.e. like ). Aszx5000 (talk) 14:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move {{VA link|Google}}, {{VA link|YouTube}}, {{VA link|Facebook}}, and {{VA link|Wikipedia}} to Technology 

message: Scams involve over a trillion dollars each year, and are here to stay.
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# as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 09:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Scam}} to [[Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/4/Society_and_social_sciences#Crime|Crime]] 

message: SP was unfairly removed for being “redundant” to the city, which is V3 (). SP has a higher population than any U.S. state by over 3 million, and if anything, MG is more redundant to . Vileplume (talk) 22:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swap {{VA link|Minas Gerais}} with {{VA link|São Paulo (state)}} 

message: Histories of two high population non-Western countries that would help reduce sysbias. Vileplume (talk) 23:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|History of Bangladesh}} and {{VA link|History of the Democratic Republic of the Congo}} 

message: We got to have more rappers than just Tupac Shakur. Hip-hop just celebrated its 50th anniversary last year, and it’s one of the biggest genres in the world right now. It is certainly more popular than country or (European) folk, which we decided for each genre to list three of its musicians on here (four if you count Bob Dylan and to a much lesser extent Taylor Swift). I think we need at least two more hip-hop musicians on here.
Run-DMC is probably the easiest group we can promote. They are frequently called “the Beatles of hip-hop”, and for good reason. Besides being the first rappers to have their videos played on MTV and be featured on the cover of Rolling Stone, they are also the first hip-hop act to go gold, platinum, and multi-platinum. Not only that, they are arguably single-handily responsible for transforming hip-hop from old-school to new-school, with not just their music (rejecting the disco-driven party anthems in favor of hard-edge rhymes and drum machine-heavy beats) but even with the way they dress. (Before, rappers used to wear dramatic, flashy outfits when performing. Run-DMC eschewed that with, well, regular street clothes, including most famously Adidas shoes.) 
Now, I would prefer if we just add these guys, but I understand if we need to swap someone out in order to include them. Baez is probably the least vital person in country and folk. For one, we have her former boyfriend, Bob Dylan. I know he’s listed under rock, but unlike Swift who has abandoned country completely, Dylan’s music by in large still has some folk elements to it. More importantly however, she is just largely not known as a songwriter. For folk musicians, especially contemporary ones, singing your own compositions is pretty big deal, and while she has written her own material, they are not on par with those of Woody Guthrie and Joni Mitchell.
I will admit that it took me quite a while to come up with another person to promote to Level 4. I ultimately decided to nominate Ye, but if someone thinks that there’s a better person to promote, feel free to speak up. West is usually held to be one of the hip hop musicians of all time. Maybe not as a rapper, but definitely as a producer. Six of his albums are on the latest version of Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time. Him beating 50 Cent on the album charts with his third album is usually held to bring end of gangsta rap-era of hip hop. 
Again, I understand if we need to swap someone before we include him. Again, I don’t think country and folk needs that many people, and after Baez, Dolly Parton is probably the least vital. However, I am open to swapping West with Buddy Holly. We got plenty of rockers, and while his death is tragic, I don’t think his music or status as an icon is as revolutionary or as big as Nirvana.
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#As nom. Swap with Joan Baez and Dolly Parton respectively if necessary. SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Run-DMC}} and {{VA link|Kanye West}} (potential swap with {{VA link|Joan Baez}} and {{VA link|Dolly Parton}}/{{VA link|Buddy Holly}}) 

message: We list the Industrial Revolution and Information Age which is the Third Industrial Revolution, but not this article. Interstellarity (talk) 13:29, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Second Industrial Revolution}} 

message: As the branch of Christianity with the most followers, it makes sense to include this. Interstellarity (talk) 13:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|History of the Catholic Church}} 

message: This was noted as a possible addition to VA4 when I proposed  at VA5 (because  was already listed but not that.. go figure), but since then I also noticed that  was VA4 but not LGBT, which is much more socially significant as the general umbrella term for minority sexual orientations or gender identity. We do already list ,  and others here but I don't think this is redundant due to its commonality and widespread usage in social discourse, and as a societally constructed grouping.
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#As nom Iostn (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|LGBT}} 

message: There is a discussion about this topic at VA5 pbp 22:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification that early modern period ends in 1815 

message: Key economic concept that we interact with very commonly (just promoted to V5). 75 interwikis. starship.paint (RUN) 01:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Price}} to [[Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/4/Society and social sciences#Business and economics: General|Business and economics]] 

message: Canada is overrepresented in the country subdivision section for a county of 40 million. Ontario and Quebec are obviously vital, but the other two have insufficient populations and meh economies for V4. I also proposed the removal of Alberta above.
Ohio is a leading U.S. state historically, demographically, and economically. We list the top six in the latter two, and Ohio ranks seventh. Interwikis are 137-194, daily views are 3042-4099. Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swap {{VA link|British Columbia}} with {{VA link|Ohio}} 

message: Spain looks a bit underrepresented with only five cities compared to Poland and Ukraine getting six each. Bilbao has a metro area of over a million, more than 50% larger than  and the largest city in Northern Spain, and particularly the . I'd also add , but France is already well-represented. Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Bilbao}} 

message: Remains an inescapable concept in the way we talk about music.
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#As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Music genre}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota. This is a niche sport more suitable for V5, I believe. starship.paint (RUN) 09:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Basque pelota}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota. This is a niche sport more suitable for V5, I believe. starship.paint (RUN) 09:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Biathlon}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota. This is a niche sport more suitable for V5, I believe. starship.paint (RUN) 09:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Bowls}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota. This is a niche sport more suitable for V5, I believe. We already list ,  and , 3 cue sports articles are more than enough at VA4. starship.paint (RUN) 09:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Carom billiards}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota. This is a niche sport more suitable for V5, I believe. starship.paint (RUN) 09:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Croquet}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota. This is a niche sport more suitable for V5, I believe. starship.paint (RUN) 09:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Orienteering}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Technology is at 44 articles over quota. This topic on a textile technique does not appear important enough at this level. The article is sparse. starship.paint (RUN) 09:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Macramé}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Technology is at 44 articles over quota. This topic on a textile does not appear important enough at this level. starship.paint (RUN) 09:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Jute}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Technology is at 44 articles over quota. This topic is on the science of , so there should be considerable overlap with that. The Agronomy article is sparse, and so is agricultural science. starship.paint (RUN) 09:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Agronomy}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Technology is at 44 articles over quota. This is a sparse article that does not appear important enough at this level. Compare with . starship.paint (RUN) 09:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Extensive farming}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Technology is at 44 articles over quota. This is the third largest hydroelectric dam in the world, which produces the second most hydroelectric energy, but it has been eclipsed in both regards by the . starship.paint (RUN) 09:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Itaipu Dam}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Technology is at 44 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. This was big in its heyday in the 1930s, but seems to have been eclipsed in all regards today. Not sure if it would be listed if it was not American. starship.paint (RUN) 09:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Hoover Dam}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Technology is at 44 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. It is not apparent, to me at least, what is so important about this genre of photography. starship.paint (RUN) 09:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Fine-art photography}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Technology is at 44 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. The addition of this dialysis article could have been a mistake, perhaps the intended target was . Either way this should be removed. starship.paint (RUN) 09:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Dialysis (chemistry)}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Society and social sciences	is at 27 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. This is a sparse article on a subset of . starship.paint (RUN) 09:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Biological anthropology}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Society and social sciences	is at 27 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. This is a niche article more suitable for V5, I believe. Compare it to the 21 other articles in the same section link. starship.paint (RUN) 09:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Oedipus complex}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Physical sciences is at 1 article over quota. This is a sparse article on rocks that seems more suitable for V5. We already list . starship.paint (RUN) 09:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Stratigraphic unit}} 

message: VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Geography is at 1 article over quota. As this article states, this is a sparsely populated area. starship.paint (RUN) 09:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Scottish Highlands}} 

message: Setting aside on whether we should place the Sufis in their own separate section, why is he not under the Sunni section? Wahhabism is very strictly a Sunni thing.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move {{VA link|Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab}} to the Sunni section 

message: In the Level 5 people pages, George Gershwin is under the Western art music section. And yeah, I think that's a more suitable place for him. I think the general consensus regarding him is that he is a classical composer who has a lot of jazz elements in his work.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move {{VA link|George Gershwin}} to 20th century modern 

message: I wanted to let you all know that I made some modifications to the random article buttons. Firstly, I have changed them so that they include the levels above it like all level 4 articles include levels 1, 2, and 3 and added random articles to each category so you could do a random level 4 people article. I think in this way, we can easily find articles that could be added and that do not belong on the level easily. Check it out for yourself. Please let me know what you like about it and what can be improved. I always welcome constructive feedback. Interstellarity (talk) 21:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Random article buttons 

message: I feel like we list a bunch of US presidents at this level. I’m sure that is not surprising as the US has been a dominant world power for decades. Some presidents are obviously vital like Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Both Roosevelts, Eisenhower, and Reagan as their legacies seemed to have been settled at this point. We also list three consecutive recent presidents, Bush, Obama, and Trump so I don’t know if recentism is an issue here. I know scholarly rankings don’t give a complete answer as to what makes a president vital as Trump, Nixon, Bush, and Jackson are listed that had far from stellar terms as president. I would like to gather input from other editors as to what makes a president vital. Interstellarity (talk) 00:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  just wondering if you read my comments pbp 19:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Purplebackpack89: Yes, I did read your comments. Interstellarity (talk) 20:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What makes a US President vital? 

message: Recently added at VA5, worth discussion here I reckon.
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# Support as nom. J947 ‡ edits 02:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Barbarian}} 

message: Why isn't he under writers? SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding {{VA link|Valmiki}} 

message: OK, this is now officially a move discussion. Other than the  being an important Hindu text, there doesn't seem to be any rationale for why he's under religious figures and not writers.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Move Valmiki to writers

message: Much fewer interwikis than all the other engineering articles listed there (this has 20, the second lowest has 37, the highest has 101). We're over quota in total V4 and V4 Technology. starship.paint (RUN) 08:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Automotive engineering}} 

message: The precursor to  that was used for centuries, is still used by the Jewish, and has a lot of pop culture influence.
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#As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Scroll}} 

message: Vital 4 lists three specific, individual video game subjects. Video games are a fairly recent medium, so listing this few makes sense. Of those three,  and  are absolutely justified, being the face of video games and the highest grossing media franchise of all time respectively. What I don't think makes sense is listing  at level 4. In my opinion, no individual video games are worthy of level 4 vitality just yet (no video games have reached levels of impact similar to some V4 films like ), but if any did qualify, I'd say it'd be an industry-defining, culture-defining game along the lines of  or . Don't get me wrong, Tetris is incredibly important... to video games. I simply do not feel that the game is worthy of V4, where unlike V5, basically every media or art related listing has to have been proven to shift not only its entire industry, but pop culture as a whole. Plus, we're over quota on Everyday life and V4 as a whole.
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#As nom. λ NegativeMP1 03:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Tetris}} 

message: So I did a little shuffling in the level 5 philosophy and religion page, and I would like to apply it here. I would also like to move some stuff in the Arts page.
===Move  to mythology: general===
The concept itself should be placed here. Let's reserve the mythological creatures section for specific beasts.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reshuffle some things 

message: The concept itself should be placed here. Let's reserve the mythological creatures section for specific beasts.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Move {{VA link|Legendary creature}} to mythology: general

message: Same thing with this one. While this and the next proposal will leave the mythological places section with only Atlantis and El Dorado, I still think that section should just be reserved for actual places.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Move {{VA link|Paradise}} to mythology: general

message: I placed it under mythology: general for now in the Level 5 page, but this is more of a fictional setting type of thing. (Or possibly a philosophical type of thing.)
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Place {{VA link|Utopia}} under {{VA link|Fiction}} (in Arts:Literature:Basics)

message: These articles are entirely written to be about the short stories, not the titular characters.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Move {{VA link|Cinderella}} and {{VA link|Aladdin}} to specific works of fiction

message: General concept article. Everything else besides this and the two articles I mentioned are specific characters.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Place {{VA link|Superhero}} under {{VA link|Character (arts)}} (in Literature:Basics)

message: The names "Devil" and "Satan" has frequently been used interchangeably to describe the same entity, while tradition holds Lilith to be the first female demon.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Move {{VA link|Satan}} and {{VA link|Lilith}} to legendary creatures (under {{VA link|Devil}} and {{VA link|Demon}} respectively)

message: I have seen a lot of people consider the leprechaun as some type of fairy.
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#SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Place {{VA link|Leprechaun}} under fairies

message: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/4/Biology and health sciences is at 1481/1500. I propose to lower the quota to 1480. Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/4/Technology is at 744/700. I propose to increase the quota to 720. I've looked through the whole list and I am not sure what else to remove from Technology, if you oppose this, please help remove something. starship.paint (RUN) 09:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose quota change: Technology +20, Biological and health sciences -20 

message: I think  is at least Level 4. It is the head topic for the established Level 4 sub-topics of  and of , as well as other Level 5s (e.g. ).  It also includes the Olympic sport of climbing, which is Competition climbing, and should itself be at VA 5 (there are other climbing sub-topics which should also be VA 5).  Climbing is equivalent to other Level 3 R&E topics such as .  I think Climbing should ultimately be Level 3 but it must get to Level 4 first. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Climbing}} 

message: Smilodon isn't really more taxonomically significant compared to other machairodontines like Machairodus which has an older taxonomic history and is the defining type genus. While it may be the most culturally significant one based on stereotypical machairodontine designs, there's not much strong indication that people are necessarily familiar with the specific genus. Level 5 should suit it fine. PrimalMustelid (talk) 17:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Smilodon}} 

message: does not appear as important as similar listed. It's not like we need another British anthropologist anyway.
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# Support as nom. J947 ‡ edits 05:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove [[Alfred Radcliffe-Brown]] 

message: We don't include any people known for  in VA4, but we do have two for  so I believe we should have at least one or two. The easiest suggestion is Tony Hawk or Rodney Mullen. Rodney Mullen is known as "the godfather of skateboarding." He created multiple skateboarding tricks, such as the flatground ollie, kickflip, heelflip, etc. (which are considered the basis of skateboarding) Tony Hawk is much more known for his work in the media. He performed the first ever "900," (where many people doubted the possibility of it happening) had a popular game series of his own name, and pioneered vertical skateboarding. Hawk is arguably the most known figure in skateboarding, but Mullen is possibly the most influential in skateboarding. I'm fine with adding either or both.
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# per nom49p (talk) 00:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Tony Hawk}} or {{VA link|Rodney Mullen}} 

message: Per Landline discussion. Interstellarity (talk) 12:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|History of the telephone}} 

message: One of the oldest journals, yes, but it stands in its category alongside  and . This old journal simply is not prominent enough to warrant listing at this level. More appropriate for V5, and we are over quota for V4 in Society and social sciences. starship.paint 14:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society}} 

message: I feel this is closer to level 3 than to level 5 since it is more common these days. I think level 4 is sufficient for this article. Interstellarity (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Non-binary gender}} 

message: These two countries of the UK don't seem to have as much importance compared to England and Scotland. They could probably go. Interstellarity (talk) 19:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove {{VA link|Northern Ireland}} and {{VA link|Wales}} 

message: Reading this list (specifically Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/4/Arts) made me notice that we list no examples of television series at V4. I feel that, if we list any video game related subjects here and around 33 films, there's probably room for a few TV series, even more so since Arts is technically 25 articles under its quota. Is there a specific reason why none are listed? λ NegativeMP1 23:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: We do have a few, under Society/Mass media. Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't where I expected them to be, my bad. λ NegativeMP1 23:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

text: An unintuitive inconsistency, I'd rather have broadcast fiction under Arts too.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I agree. With some of the listings, putting individual shows under that might make sense (ex. ) but the vast majority as well as the category itself do not. Should we consider a wider discussion to move them over to Arts? Would also redistribute items from an over-quota area to an under-quota area. λ NegativeMP1 18:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  No television series listings? 

message: Should be on the same level as Public transport which is an important type of transit. Interstellarity (talk) 13:58, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Private transport}} 

message: I don't really think this is going to be a controversial proposal, but I'm still going to state my reasoning. We list only  one animated film at Level 4, which for as big of a scope  is, there is almost certainly room for a second example, especially one like this that basically began a type of animation. Toy Story is objectively one of the important feature animated films ever made, possibly comparable in influence to . It pioneered a type of animation that will almost certainly never fall out of style, that being . It is also considered one of the best films of all time, and in my opinion, we can fit another film from under the Disney banner due to how influential the company is. In my opinion, this film is over-qualified for Level 4. I'd propose a swap, but Arts is technically under-quota and I don't believe I'm in the right place to propose a swap with something outside of that section due to my lack of knowledge on the influence of other subjects.
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#As nom. λ NegativeMP1 22:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{VA link|Toy Story}}