Talk:Speed Racer (film)

message: There should be a section on the main page questioning the reception for this film.  It is based on Japanese characters, yet I am not sure that would translate into box office success.  People don't go to movies just to see actors, they go because they are interested in the movie's plot and so on.96.3.72.93 (talk) 06:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: The citations on the article reflect the involvement of directors Julien Temple, Alfonso Cuarón, and Gus Van Sant with the project, as well as actor Johnny Depp and writers Marc Levin, Jennifer Flackett, J. J. Abrams, and Patrick Read Johnson.  I think that the history of Speed Racer can be more accurately shaped by providing chronological detail of the project prior to September 2000.  This may need to be done by accessing news databases and the like.  If anyone finds anything potentially useful, please share here on the talk page. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 06:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've filled in the gaps for the directors, though there could be more citations about the initial writers (who were not mentioned in the articles that I cited about the previous directors).  Also, Warner Bros. Pictures might've attempted to develop the project earlier than May 1993, so there may be something more out there to add. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production history 

message: Jung Ji-Hoon is going to be in the film as well. 
:Possibility: 1 and confirmation: 2 As the news is still "fresh" the articles that confirm are either in Korean, Chinese, Japanese, or Thai. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.219.77.168 (talk) 16:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the heads-up.  I saw something about this a couple of days ago.  I'm sure if this is true, there will be an English-language website available for the confirmation soon, if there isn't one now somewhere out there.  I'll see what I can find. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confirmation

message: *
:Can be used to rewrite/expand the Premise section. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 10:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Has been implemented now. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Premise expansion 

message: IMDb lists Peter Fernandez in the film as a local announcer.  He was responsible for voicing characters in the original series (and the upcoming series as well).  If anyone can provide an attributable source for Fernandez's involvement, please do that. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find anything on the web about Fernandez's role as a local announcer (which would be a wonderful homage to the people behind the original series), except the mention at imdb. So for the time being, there appears to be no reliable citation for his appearance. — Loadmaster (talk) 17:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter Fernandez 

message: *Wachowskis Go With Original ‘Speed Racer’ Theme
*Susan Sarandon talks about the Wachowski Brothers SPEED RACER and confirms something revolutionary
*New Speed Racer Technology Could Be a Radical Innovation
*Speed Racer coming to Wii, DS and PS2
*Game of Speed Racer flick sighted
*Sony Flagship F23 Camera Proves Its Versatility With Leading Cinematographers
*Emile Hirsch Talks Speed Racer
*Exclusive: Emile Hirsch on Speed Racer
*Emile Hirsch Interview
*Susan Sarandon Gets Animated for Speed Racer
*Emile Hirsch Talks About Singing Karaoke With Lindsay Lohan, Heading 'Into The Wild' With Sean Penn
*Licensees Ready To 'Go' With Speed Racer
*Speed Racer Deals Cross Finish Line
*Joel Silver Explains Speed Racer Technology
* Talkin' Trixie with Christina Ricci
*Germans to H'w'd: Look past Berlin
*EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Christina Ricci Chimes in on Speed Racer
* Exclusive: Go Speed Racer, Go!
Headlines. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: here are more to use:
*Speed Racer's Breakthrough CGI Road Rally: Anatomy of a Scene
*Exclusive: Joel Silver Talks Speed Racer
*First look: Speed Racers' demon on wheels
*Speed hits live-action high gear
*Speed Racer: fast-moving world of the Wachowski brothers
*The Wachowski brothers bring live action anime, color and movement to new levels in Speed Racer.
*First Look: Speed Racer Zips in Candy-Colored World
*First look: Speed Racer wheels into live action
*The Speed Racer time warp
*Wachowskis Are Good to Go Speed Racer
*Joel Silver - Speed Racer Interview
*John Goodman and Susan Sarandon - Speed Racer Interview
*Kids 1, Chaos 0
-J.D. (talk) 18:24, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations for use 

message: New York Daily News reports via "a source close to the writer/directors" that Rose McGowan and Zac Efron were originally considered for Speed Racer.  The source of information seems dubious since NY Daily News is a tabloid and its sources wouldn't be reliable, but I thought I'd place it here just in case. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tabloid information 

message: I wonder if the live action version is going to have the "chyock chyock" sound effect if the Mach 5 uses the jump/jacks feature. --Mikecraig 04:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't come across anything that would indicate the use of this sound effect.  We'll find out soon enough. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 04:16, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, it's in the preview. It's in a shot of Speed being caught between two other cars, then using the jacks (with apropo SFX) to flip the Mach 5 over backwards. Supracool. — Loadmaster (talk) 17:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mach 5 

message: Now that the [first production stills] are out, I need to know if there is any way to include them in this article? They are promotional stills of course, but are we allowed to use them? They would be deeply valuable to this article. JayKeaton (talk) 19:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for asking!  The way to implement non-free images is to follow WP:NFC: "Film and television screen shots: For critical commentary and discussion of the cinema and television."  This means that when a non-free image is included, it needs to be relevant to content in the article.  Take a look at Fight Club (film) as an example to see how screen shots are tied into the content.  For Speed Racer, I think the second picture at USA Today, which has the caption "Emile Hirsch plays Speed, pictured here behind the wheel of his Mach 5.  Nearly all of the film was shot in front of a green screen, with effects added later."  I would say that kind of content could be included in the article.  For the other images, it's usually a good idea to utilize all citations then look after the update to see where images could fit. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: photos, production stills

message: Now that the Speed Racer Trailer is out, I wanted to know how to add it to this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slewy (talk • contribs) 15:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can I ask if the trailer is legally distributed online?  The fact that the trailer is coming from an unofficial site does not seem to make this the case. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed Racer Trailer 

message: should this have its own page??--Lbrun12415 23:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed Racer: The Video Game 

message: The Production section repeats some of the things stated in the beginning section.  There are even some of the same sentences.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.8.2 (talk) 00:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. That's because the lead section (the bit before the contents) is supposed to be a summary of the rest of the article. Read WP:LEAD for a fuller explanation. All the best, Steve T  • C 07:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repetition 

message: Where is the new poster? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.148.8 (talk • contribs) 09:19, April 19, 2008
:New poster has been added. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poster 

message: In the trailer I watched I saw the first few scenes were shot in the 'real' world and seemed to focus on an autistic boy.
Are the events of the film taking place in his head?! 65.185.29.175 (talk) 16:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Elsewhere Racer? 

message: Get more than one critic's review or remove Variety's.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.148.8 (talk) 19:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I included that because it was the first review I saw for the film, and in order to get the ball rolling on the critical reception section in the hope it would spur others into adding more reviews. If the section hasn't been expanded by the time I check back in on this tomorrow, I'll see about adding a couple more myself. Steve T  • C 20:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it may be a bit long on reviews now. Seems like they are longer then the rest of the article.Hellbuny (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. But I'd say that's more because the rest of the article could use some embiggening. Another option would be to restructure the critical reception section to talk about specific aspects of the film in turn, e.g. "X, Y, and Z praised the special effects [...] Y and Z criticised the anti-capitalist theme running through the film..." etc. The same information is presented, but using a lot less space. I've been abominably busy these last few weeks, but if I get a chance, I'll perhaps have a look at that. Steve T  • C 13:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variety 

message: I've seen the film and i can add the plot summary if they change the the article so i can.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Duncandrake (talk • contribs) 19:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary 

message: Thought it should be noted that the updated version of "Go, Speed Racer, Go" theme song that plays over the end credits was produced by Ali Dee and Jason Gleed at Deetown Entertainment in NYC, and performed by Ali Dee and the Deekompressors.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterTheEater (talk • contribs) 22:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Theme Song

message: I think the Reception section of the article is too verbose.  A quick quip here and there is fine to demonstrate the variety of opinions, but the article shouldn't be a repository of writings that are available elsewhere. Lighthope (talk) 23:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception section too detailed? 

message: I spotted two references to other films, one is the scene where one of the ninjas drips the drug into Taejo Togokhan's mouth- that's an exact copy of the scene in the 1967 James bond film You Only Live Twice. The other is a nod to "Star Wars" where Trixie, wearing Taejo Togokhan's driving suit and driving his car, twice says she can't see a thing in her helmet.
Anyone spot more references to other films?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 22:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References to other films 

message: The Synopsis article currently reads "Japanese racer Taejo Togokhan." This strikes me as quite wrong – not due to the nationality of the actor, but because neither Taejo nor Togokhan are Japanese names (if they are, they must a very rare as neither shows up on databases such as Kanjidict). It may be that they are not real names of any language or culture, but "Togokhan" cannot be a Japanese word because of "kh" sound – Japanese has only a few instances of where one consonant can come after another (other than "n") without a vowel in between, and "kh" is not one of them.
I have yet to experience the film myself, so I require the authority of someone who has. If it is explicitly stated within the film that the Togokhans are Japanese, then leave the text as it is and specify in a citation where their nationality is made explicit in the film (the presence of ninjas does not count). If it is not, then replace "Japanese" with "East Asian."
Turtleheart (talk) 23:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are some references to Japan and rival companies (one headed by the Togokhans, the other by Mr. Musha, who is played by Hiroyuki Sanada).  However, we clearly see Korean text on a banner behind Taejo at one point.  The 'kh' could just be a strange choice of romanization, but I think it's clear that he's not supposed to be 100% Japanese.  I can't tell if he's just supposed to be Korean or if the movie world is conflating all of East Asia.  67.85.183.120 (talk) 03:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably intended as a Korean name to tie in with the actor playing him and a bad production move to appease Japanese audience by giving an "Asian good guy" to cheer for. They even managed further mess up by making his sister name a completely nonsensical "Horuko". The only possible Japanese meaning for that would be "digger girl" unless it's supposed to be a Korean name (and that's highly unlikely, I believe). And rather needless to say, the reception of this was rather frigid and sarcastic, somewhere along the line of "We Japanese are so racist we can't cheer for a white hero. So they gave us a Korean guy. Yeah, thanks a lot.". I don't think the marketing department even realized this, but they managed to use the same venue (which is rarely used for a preview) for the Japan preview as Pearl Harbor which is known for its historical inaccuracies. I don't think I have to explain how "well" this did in Japan. --Revth (talk) 08:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Togokhan = Japanese? 

message: Zybon is once again attempting to remove the comments from the New Yorker, arguing that the review is "ridiculousness" and the magazine is not influential. The same editor also tried to remove the review in mid-May, but there was no consensus to remove it at that time. Given that the magazine is clearly notable, I see no reason to remove its review. Thoughts? --Ckatzchatspy 05:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Yorker, once again 

message: Is "pompestuous" even a word? I assume that he meant "tempestuous". Even if it is a direct quote, wouldn't it be preferable to have a less retarded reference for the Hitchens comparison? Tons of reviewers noted the resemblance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.89.155.96 (talk) 12:11, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Time Review

message: Is that real?  Did they really claim the animal trainer spanked the monkey?
I mean, come on!  Aside from the obvious masturbation joke, Chimps are apes, not monkeys! 
Is this a true claim or a joke they sent just to get a spank the monkey joke in there? AndarielHalo (talk) 15:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was vandalism in the article (corrected now), but the incident did happen. Read the reference. Bob98133 (talk) 16:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanked the monkey? 

message: Cosma Shiva Hagen as Gennie than not pleased. It is in the Wiki.4Sage Wiki (talk) 14:39, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast 

message: The article says "Speed Racer premiered on May 3, 2008 as the closing film at the Tribeca Film Festival.". But the movie was already shown on 26 April 2008 according to among others this article.  I'm not sure if it counts as a premiere though. So which of the showings was the premiere? --Distelfinck (talk) 15:38, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, . It was fixed. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 22:21, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  When was the premiere? 

message: Well, this is bothering me for a long time. Since this edit there is a long edit war over the usage of "The Wachowskis" or "The Wachowski Brothers" (, , ). I would prefer "the Wachowskis" since its gender-neutral but gives the same information. However, Template:Infobox film#Credits say "A person should be credited by the name they were using professionally at the time the film was made." (empashis mine) There have been other dicussions and the consensus seems to be this — to use "The Wachowski Brothers" (check: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Archive 42#The Matrix - Larry to Lana (And other films) and The Matrix archives 4 and 3). Anyway, apparently, The Matrix uses "The Wachowski Brothers" only in the infobox but "The Wachowskis" in the rest of the article. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 21:59, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The Wachowski Brothers made those films, people need to stop placating a minority of PC Principals. It's fine to use the Wachowskis as a shorthand throughout the article, but not when giving credit. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 22:08, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

text: While I personally disagree with having to keep "The Wachowski Brothers" as I think it's retrograde, if it's a convention we have to follow it. So in order to follow it but to avoid the lasting fight over this, I've added a note then both sides are contemplated(?). Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:24, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

text: There was wider agreement that we use the name that a work credited at the time of its release. The Wachowskis have not said that they want the name "The Wachowski Brothers" retroactively changed on their earlier films, and in fact that name remains on all of them. You should not go and make edits like this, removing hidden notes that tell you to get consensus first. - Gothicfilm (talk) 22:33, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

text: This is an article on a work, not an individual. We use the name as credited in the work. As pointed out before, The Wachowskis have not said that they want the name "The Wachowski Brothers" retroactively changed on their earlier films, and in fact that name remains on all of them. You should not go and make edits like this, removing hidden notes that tell you to get consensus first. I've restored it, per WP:STATUSQUO. - Gothicfilm (talk) 01:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Wachowskis vs. The Wachowski Brothers 

message: Hi! This poll could affect how the Wachowskis are credited on Wikipedia for years. Please give us your input How should we credit the Wachowskis? WanderingWanda (talk) 07:00, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a few days left on this RfC and opinions remain sharply divided. Have any insight into this issue or good conflict resolution skills? Your input could be very valuable.  WanderingWanda (talk) 05:55, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Comment - How should we credit the Wachowskis? 

message: Do awkward, unflattering, out-of-character snapshots of the actors really add anything to the article? I wish, instead, the article had some screenshots showcasing the film's phantasmagoric visual style. I know copyright makes that tricky, but I've noticed the 2001 article has several shots from the film (and even video) with a fair use rationale. WanderingWanda (they/them) (t/c) 19:25, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you but some editors have no sense and think more images are always better, and would add as many images as possible to an article. That we are (mostly) limited to Creative Commons images that aren't very relevant is only part of a larger problem. Also quote boxes frequently interrupt the reading flow and most of the time we'd be better without them. What I think you're saying is the article would be improved by deleting the whole Roger Allam image box and if that is the case I totally agree. -- 109.76.153.134 (talk) 00:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: How the footnote should appear in relevant Wachowski film articles is being discussed at Talk:The Matrix (franchise)/Archive 3#Footnote implementation. Please join the discussion and weigh in with your thoughts and suggestions. Thank you. --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:57, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The footnote credit for "Credited as The Wachowski Brothers"