Talk:Butoh

message: I read somewhere that Butoh emerged as a reaction to the horror experienced by the Japanese at the Atomic Bomb in 1945.  Hence the imagery associated with death, decay, ghosts and subsequent iconoclasm as a reaction to fear..  But I can't remember where I read it and I doubt if I'd be allowed to paraphrase something someone else published. -- Jasna 11:13pm, Jan 16th 2005. (EST)
Many dance critics prefer connecting Butoh with the Atomic bomb, but as far as I have studied Hijikata's books, there were no descriptions found about the atomic bombs. His writings show, I believe, that he was not a political person but a dominating dancer and artist talented also in writing.
There is only one thing that shows a relationship of Butoh and atomic bombs: A movie titled "Atomic bomb and navel" directed by a Japanese photographer Eiko Hosoe who published "Kamaitachi" photographic album of Hijikata. But, the content of the movie is very funny although the bomb exploded at the last scene.
In the World War II, Tokyo was bombed out in an air-raid by three hundreds twenty five B29-bombers, and about 100,000 people were burned to death one night. It well matches the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Akiko Motofuji, Hijikata's wife who died in 2003, told me what happened in Tokyo at the night, but she did not mention to the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It is not the Atomic bomb for Japanese citizens, but they are (atomic) bombs.  When dance critics use the phrase "the Atomic bomb" describing something about Butoh, it is , I believe, surely an easy rhetorical expression that is nothing to do with Butoh itself. Butoh came from the hardship and poverty that Hijikata and the people of the rustic northeast prefectures had suffered historically. See ganimata or bandy-leg, and crooked back. (T.K.,Sapporo)
:Butoh has nothing to do with Hiroshima, that's an American press thing.  Many newspaper stories on Butoh are themselves Butoh, and are to be taken as such.  See the "Defining Butoh" section for an example from 1989.  I added some stuff to The Rite of Spring related to bandy legged crookedness and Njinsky. EricDiesel (talk) 01:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of Butoh 

message: Today I deleted all of the external links.  I went through every one, and found most to be simply links to butoh company/dancer sites.  Wikipedia is not for self-promotion.  Please read WP:EL if you have not already: one key admonition is that external links should be kept to a minimum.  Including a link to every butoh company's site would go against this (consider if there were links to every guitarist or ballet company's website).  A number of other links were dead, or indicated that they had not been updated in several years, and/or had minimal useful content.  Also, keep this in mind from WP:EL: "If the website or page to which you want to link includes information that is not yet a part of the article, consider using it as a source for the article, and citing it."  Doctormatt 19:05, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent - someone is discussing this article with me! Thanks.  So, my reasoning is like this: links to butoh companies and artists are generally inappropriate: we would not have links to every ballet company at ballet, for instance.  I don't know which one you mean has lots of links, but if you mean butoh.net it is clearly years out of date, so I don't think it should be included.  What would be awesome is for those who wish to add links to their own company sites to contribute images and information to the article.  To quote myself, and WP:EL again: "If the website or page to which you want to link includes information that is not yet a part of the article, consider using it as a source for the article, and citing it." The McLeod link contains information that could be added here: note, from WP:EL, links normally to be avoided include "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article."  I think it is much more important that this article gets some references rather than more external links: this seems to be the philosophy suggested by WP:EL. For instance, we could add information from the McLeod article and have a link to the site in a reference.  That would be great. Cheers, Doctormatt 20:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks very much for you comments.  Yes, it seems like butoh.net is as good as we've got for now: I'll put that back in, and take a look at the "international" section.  Cheers, Doctormatt 18:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links section

message: The following comment was on the Hijikata talk page.  I am moving it here because it leads to other stuff- 
:Some may find it of interest that, in the late 1960s, japanese horror/exploitation director Teruo Ishii hired Hijikata to create the role of a Moreau-like hermited mad scientist in the film "Horrors of Malformed Men," a role that is mostly performed as dance. The film has remained largely unseen in Japan for forty years because it was viewed as insensitive to the handicapped. see: http://www.midnighteye.com/reviews/horrmalf.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bustter (talk • contribs) 12:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At the Hijikata 80th birthday party in SF in summer of 2008, one of the most applauded dancers was a parapalegic in a wheelchair. EricDiesel (talk) 01:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In Moshe Efrati's dance company, half the dancers are deaf.  EricDiesel (talk) 01:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Christina is a dead link.  Anyone know how to get to her talk page?  Is this the Christina at the Hijikata 80th BD party? EricDiesel (talk) 01:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Handicapped" Butoh 

message: I read a dance magazine in the early 90's that said Hiroko Tamano was among the living dancers with the most students, or students students.  Does anyone know the citation? EricDiesel (talk) 02:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tamano Students 

message: "Accepted as a performance art overseas, it remains fairly unknown in Japan" has been on this site for some time, yet the requested citation hasn't come.  Can some-one who knows Japanese or the Japanese arts scene verify or delete this, please. Kdammers (talk) 04:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No one has responded.  I just checked the site that lists "all" butoh groups around the world.  It has more groups (22) listed for Japan than for any other country.  Isn't it time we remove this unsupported statement?Kdammers (talk) 08:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Japanese majority have no interest in "butoh" and consider it a disgrace, but minor nuisance, if they admit to knowing about it at all. Only illiterate foreigners would fall for this crap as they are the main audience for this amateurish expression with the big name of "butoh" like its some kind of mysterious ancient rite.  This article should be about one paragraph long.  That's all "butoh" deserves.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.46.2 (talk) 05:03, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  status in Japan 

message: "A PBS documentary of a butoh performance in a cave with no audience further broadened knowledge in America."  This is unsourced and vague.  What documentary?  When was it shown? Winter Maiden (talk) 15:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction to America 

message: :"Butoh frequently occurs in areas of extremes of the human condition, such as skid rows, or extreme physical environments, such as a cave with no audience, remote Japanese cemetery, or hanging by ropes from a skyscraper in front of the Washington Monument."Butoh, Mark Holburn and Ethan Hoffman, Sadev Books, 1987
Could someone who has or has access to this book check this quote?  The reason I ask is that the last part of the sentence is somewhat bizarre and, more importantly, technically impossible.  There is not and has never been any "skyscraper in front of the Washington Monument" from which to hang.  The National Mall (on which the Monument sits) has no skyscrapers on or near it, and in fact, under limits imposed by by Acts of Congress, no building taller than the Monument exists within the District (certainly none that meet the definition of skyscraper).  General Ization Talk    03:27, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source check 

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