Talk:Alvin and the Chipmunks

message: This article feels undecided whether it is about the virtual band featured in the franchise, or about the franchise itself. It has a band's infobox and its opening statement refers to the band, yet this article also serves as the main article of the entire Alvin and the Chipmunks franchise (TV shows, movies, and music releases).
I suggest a split to be made so that this article's sole purpose is for the francise, and an article to be created for Alvin and the Chipmunks (band). Lazz_R 19:54, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Support, preferably under the name Alvin, Simon, and Theodore. This article seems fairly confusing, as it is going back and forth between the franchise and the band, and giving the chipmunks their own article would easily solve this. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:53, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

text: Support, this article should be an overview of the franchise, with extra details moved into the appropriate "sub"article or removed (like the in-universe character bios). ~EdGl talk 17:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggesting article split for [[Alvin and the Chipmunks (band)]] 

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message: According to this article in The Hollywood Reporter  : https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/chipmunk-song-turns-60-secrets-a-holiday-classic-1169762?fbclid=IwAR1Jwbny9pKCN85Y2V2V_sdzmPCaBGwjYRxnx1nFKOFscTJcfG9NE9TgjwQ , the Chipmunk sound during their busy recording heyday was secretly provided by 60's era session vocal group, The Eligibles. This fact should change the claim that Bagdasarian was the only voice on the recordings. However, this article is the only source of this news, and given the fringe quality of this bit of trivia, it's unlikely to ever receive additional mainstream coverage. Question: is this single source sufficient to qualify for inclusion in this article? I'm a bit hesitant to edit it in, allowing for the possibility that it is a made up claim and Bagdasarian is no longer around to dispute it. Still, the logic of hired, uncredited session men--typical of the era--is believable. ShelbyMarion (talk) 17:16, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is one reliable source enough to make an addition? 

message: Edited the following garbage: "Alvin, the mischievous troublemaker, who quickly became the star of the group after doing the Jordan; Simon, the tall, bespectacled intellectual; and Theodore, the one who is getting the best head."
Seriously, people have nothing better to do than to insert sexual inneuendo into an article on Alvin and the Chipmunks? That's more than a little pathetic.
 
Changed to: "Alvin, the mischievous troublemaker; Simon, the tall, bespectacled intellectual; and Theodore, the chubby, shy one." HillbillyProfane (talk) 05:42, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed juvenile vandalism. 

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 12:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Alvin and the Chipmunks →  – Per WP:COMMONNAME, the article's name should reflect the most common usage. The band is known widely as the Chipmunks. The article was moved to the Chipmunks in 2006, but it was moved back in 2007. Neither of those moves was discussed. The band was first known as David Seville and the Chipmunks, as seen on 1959 and 1960 record labels, but it was shortened to the Chipmunks later in 1960, and it remained the Chipmunks from that point onward. The prefix "Alvin and" was never used officially, and is not a common usage either. Binksternet (talk) 15:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: How can a Google Ngrams search result include the years before the prefix "Alvin and" was ever used? I don't trust that result at all. It reeks of recentism, for a group that was invented in 1958–1959. John Bush's first biography of the virtual band (as published by AllMusic) gave them the name of the Chipmunks, and exactly none of their music was published under the name Alvin and the Chipmunks until 1992's Chipmunks in Low Places. There was an animated TV show with the band called The Alvin Show during 1961–62, then there was another cartoon TV show called Alvin and the Chipmunks from 1983 to 1990, which did not change the band's name at the time. It was only after the 2007 film Alvin and the Chipmunks (film) that the Alvin prefix was stuck on the front end for good. So for the first two decades of the band's virtual history they had no such prefix, and from 1983 to 2007 the Alvin prefix was not common. AllMusic still can't figure it out; they have two biography pages of the band, one under the short name (http://www.allmusic.com/artist/chipmunks-mn0000069707) and one with the Alvin prefix (https://www.allmusic.com/artist/alvin-the-chipmunks-mn0000744969/biography). It's the same text. The 1983 book The Chipmunk Story by Janice Karman gives the short name throughout. Zero zilch nada on the prefix "Alvin and". She should know!  Binksternet (talk) 17:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about the ngrams starting in 1800, Google just automatically puts it to that year. Here's a version of it where it actually starts when they were first created: . Your point about how the prefix "Alvin and" wasn't that popular until 2007 is correct, it's just that the films significantly boosted the popularity of them, and all of the films start with "Alvin and". The films are what I imagine to be why most people even know of them in the first place, and the films are much more recent. Ollieisanerd (talk) 21:08, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

text: The concision content guideline still applies here. Binksternet (talk) 19:34, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

text: •Oppose - come again? 4theloveofallthings (talk) 20:59, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose - "Alvin and..." is the most common point of reference. See WP:COMMONNAME. Given WP:NAMECHANGES, it seems odd to regress to pre-21st century vernacular for an entity that remains popular and in franchise today. Since the 90s, titles almost ubiquitously follow the more recent convention. Doughbo (talk) 21:47, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move to "The Chipmunks"