Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles/Archive 10

message: I found this after seeing a picture of a pre-Meiji Japanese robbery...
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/13051/13051-h/13051-h.htm#i32 - Obviously the author is using an antiquated romanization system - But what does he mean by Fatzisiu Island? WhisperToMe 07:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see anything at that link. Probably Hasshū (八州), an old name for the Kanto. Also Kan-hasshū (関八州), the eight provinces of the Kanto. See :ja:関東地方. My guess is "Fatzi" = Hachi and "Siu" = Shū. Now, about "island" ... it could be just a mistranslation. Or there could actually be an island ... Fg2 08:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha! I found the link, and I found the magic word "banishment." That suggests Hachijō-jima. So "Siu" is jō in this case. Non-standard, but looking through the article, I see other oddities. This is in the same league. Quite probably Hachijō-jima. Fg2 08:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The book says the island is on the "northern coast" of the empire - Maube the book is wrong? :) WhisperToMe 17:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: By the way, when it mentioned the LONINS (which the book dubbed as criminals) robbing the palace 1, I figured they were Ronin and moved the picture there. WhisperToMe 17:22, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure that the author meant ronin but I don't think his illustration shows ronin. Judging from their dress, I'd guess they're samurai. But it's just a guess. Fg2 20:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I redirected "Fatzisiu" to "Hachiojima" - We need to redirect as many of these obsolete romanizations as possible. WhisperToMe 00:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My favorite is "Woxu" (see Hasekura Tsunenaga), meaning Ōshū (奥州); the nearest equivalent we have is Mutsu Province. But "Fatzisiu" is right up there! Fg2 07:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Woxu" would be a Mandarin Chinese romanization which would be said "Ōshū" or "Oshu" in Japanese. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's Portuguese or Spanish, "wo" for modern "o" and "x" for "sh." I don't know Mandarin (then again, I don't know Portuguese or Spanish); maybe there is a similar system in use. Fg2 06:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I have redirected Woxu to Oshu EDIT: It turns out I used "Wuxu" instead - I deleted that... WhisperToMe 22:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What is "Fatzisiu"?

message: Fictional characters should be added to the name order section to clarify a position that I think we already have a bit of agreement upon.   --Kunzite 01:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand what you wrote above, your proposal is Given name - Surname, except for period characters. I would guess that all literature published before Meiji 1 would be period characters, and so SN-GN. Literature set in later periods might be tricky, as characters might not have clear birth eras. Certainly, for jidaigeki set in Edo or earlier, there's no problem.  For anything set primarily in postwar Japan, we might just as well say GN-SN. So Meiji - Taisho - early Showa is the time frame that would pose the most difficulties. Not sure if we have to be as specific with fiction as with real life. Fg2 07:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested addition. 

message: When providing a translation and a transliteration, do we use the original non-Japanese spelling of the word, or do we use the Japanified spelling in the transliteration?
To clarify, do we go:
Le Chevalier D'Eon (シェヴァリエ Chevalier)
Venetian Rhapsody (ヴェネツィアン・ラプソディー Venetian Rhapsody)
Sonata of the Rain～La Pluie (雨のソナタ～ラ・プリュ Ame-no Sonata～La Pluie)
Or:
Le Chevalier D'Eon (シェヴァリエ Shebarie)
Venetian Rhapsody (ヴェネツィアン・ラプソディー Veneshian Rapusodii)
Sonata of the Rain～La Pluie (雨のソナタ～ラ・プリュ Ame-no Sonata～Ra Puryu)
Bye, Shinobu 00:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're going to use the romaji spelling (the "Japanified spelling") after the katakana/hiragana/kanji. Just follow the format as described here and you should be okay. Let us know if clarification of any of that is needed. Ryu Kaze 02:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transliteration of Japanese terms containing loanwords