Talk:Red River Rebellion

message: Many of you who look at these things will have noticed that I've been doing quite a bit of work on bringing Louis Riel up to FAC readiness. As part of that effort, I naturally wrote quite a lot about the RRR. In fact, too much. So what I have done is to transfer most of that information here, and after finishing with RRR here, I will cut that section of Louis Riel back to a more appropriate size.  I will attempt to preserve much of the information that was previously here at RRR, and will use much of it to develop the lead section for the now much-expanded article... So editors, don't fear, I will attempt to use as much of the extant text as possible. Some of it that appears to be gone for the moment is actually still there as html comments, to be resurrected later.  Inevitably though, the article will be a bit of a mess for awhile, so please bear with me.  Please also note that this is part of a longer term effort to bring Louis Riel, Red River Rebellion and North-West Rebellion all up to feature article standard.. your help with any part of this effort would be most appreciated.  Regards Fawcett5 20:18, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You've been doing excellent work.  The Riel article is superb, and I'm glad to hear you're rubbing it off on related articles!  Thanks!  --Alexwcovington (talk) 21:56, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new plan for RRR 

message: I found the following text contained in HTML comments at the end of the article.  Someone who knows something about the subject should decide what to do with it. -- Beland 3 July 2005 04:04 (UTC)
:The Métis, however, had already arranged their land according to the seigneurial system of their French ancestors that was also used in the French-majority Canadian province of Quebec.  In many cases, government surveyors attempted to lay out land survey markers arbitrarily across existing farms and properties.  Property maps of Manitoba to this day show the approximately 3.2 kilometres long seigneurial lots perpendicular to rivers, surrounded by the square townships lots of the Dominion Land Survey.
:The Red River Settlement was centred on Fort Garry, now modern Winnipeg, which was then owned by the Hudson's Bay Company
::It was Upper Fort Garry, actually. Lower Fort Garry is outside the city limits. But that sounds very interesting to put in. Disinclination 03:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abandoned text 

message: There is a bit confusion of when Manitoba entered Confederation. Another source tells me that it was actually 
july 15th, 1870 instead of the date given in the arcticle. I am trying to find out which one is which. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.114.132.60 (talk • contribs) date
:The Mantioba Act was made on May 12th, 1870, for the creation of Manitoba. July 15th, they entered Confederation. The May 12th date is considered Manitoba's 'birthday', despite that, and this article I believe adheres to that. Disinclination 00:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manitoba enters Confederation. When? 

message: I have assessed this as B Class, although it requires in-line citations, and of high importance, as I do feel that this event plays a vital role in understanding Canada. Cheers, CP 05:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 

message: The section regarding Donald Smith is copied almost verbatim from the entry on Smith in the Dictionary of Canadian biography.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.164.188 (talk) 19:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism

message: During the late 1860s the Red River Settlement and it was changing rapidly
G. Robert Shiplett 15:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-sentence 

message: Not sure moving this article from Red River Rebellion to Red River rebellion was a good move. Not sure flyby MoS edits over actually regurgitation of the sources is what we are looking for. Red River rebellion is simply not the norm.--Moxy (talk) 00:31, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This editor keeps moving pages without consultation. Rebellion should be capitalised like we capitalise war in Korean War for example. -- Kayoty (talk) 04:42, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  --Moxy (talk) 06:12, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red River r(R)ebellion  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm about to revert a number of recent additions, primarily due to copyright issues.  For example:
Article Text: 
Is way too close to the source text: 
Another example: article text:  
And source text: 
Third example: article text: 
And source text: 
This is close paraphrasing, which is not permitted. Much of the content is probably salvagable but it needs to be substantially re-written, and we should not have it in the article in the meantime. Fyddlestix (talk) 03:34, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for doing the heavy lifting. Isn't copyvio a pain! Doug Weller talk 08:24, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio issues 

message: This is a very developed artical and many problems have been adressed in the coments above. It is a very traditional artical, writien in a subjective way that does not distract from the information. The photos are also apropriat, 
Reading the artical, expessially the area on Louis Riel leves me wonderering, Who was he? Why him? perhaps exploring the person of Louis Riel could add to the atrical and even give a better idea of why the rebellion played out the way it did. 
There is information on the acts of rebellion that happend by the Métis that seemes to be missing. 
This artical simplified the Murder of Thomas Scott a little too much, expecially in the introduction, to me the wording does not seem apropriat and plays down a significant moment in the resistance, this was the exact moment that the rebellion became a true blood battle. This officially seperated the provisional government and the new federal government and affeted all the negotiations between the two. Perhaps the significance could be explored a little more. 
Something else that might add to the artical could be the religious involvments in this rebellion. Did the curches agree? did they try and stop it? did they participate in the acts? There are letters between Louis and his Sister that add information to thier positions. 
The popular culture area could also consist of the Louis Riel Comic Book, it talks and show the Rebellion that happend. 
The citations and articals look apropriat but this was also adressed in a coment above.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victoriapelky (talk • contribs) 03:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tent University - peer review  

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved   Calidum 21:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Red River Rebellion →  – I've completed a Google Scholar search results analysis for both "Red River Resistance" and "Red River Rebellion". "Red River Resistance" comes up 288 times in the last 10 years (2013-2022). Of those results I eliminated 11 as citations of older work or online postings of older books and documents. "Red River Rebellion" comes up 333 times in that same time range; I applied the same standard and eliminated 99 older citations and online postings of older books and documents. I can share this data with anyone interested.
The final tally of common usage based on Google Scholar results in the last 10 years are: 
"Red River Resistance" - 277
"Red River Rebellion" - 234 
Based on the analysis I've outlined and the fact that today the Government of Canada refers to the events as the Red River Resistance, as does the Province of Manitoba and The Canadian Encyclopedia, I propose to move the title to "Red River Resistance", with "Red River Rebellion" as an alternate title and redirect page. LaMétis (talk) 22:40, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Oppose WP:COMMONNAME applies. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 16:13, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Oppose Common name in most of Canada, even though its not used as much in academic circles anymore its still the most recognizable. Rebellion also isn't innately negative, as it was innately a rebellious conflict. Chariotsacha (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 April 2022 

message: The title of the Red River Rebellion article should be switched to the Red River Resistance, as previously debated. I do not find the final oppositional argument to keeping the title, "Red River Rebellion" valid, as it was absolutely not, innately a rebellious conflict, as the Métis were in no way a voluntary or consulted part of the Dominion of Canada's confederation. Rebellion implies internal insurrection or strife of a group within a state, and thus, would not be appropriate in defining the Métis resistance in the Red River region. Furthermore, Canadian government articles and index pages have been like-minded and have changed the official name. Whether it is academically convenient or not for the reference of often outdated articles, we should strive to reconsider and adapt historical labels to give full respect to the truth of the matter and not simply its post-colonial academic portrayal and perspective.  Rkoloff (talk) 20:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title Change