Talk:Irish dance

message: Please correct intolerable errors in this article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.131.140 (talk) 09:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: There is a need for more inline references; there are hardly any at the moment. I came upon this as an inquiring reader and am unable to decide how much of the material is original research or the level of accuracy within the article. I wonder if the main authors would like to add some referencing? Sejanus Aelianus (talk) 19:59, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Quality

message: This article is a disgrace.  :-)
Nothing about set dancing...you'd think only step dancing existed...the article should probably live at Irish folk dance.
:Set dancing is folk dance too. So is your sentence unclear, or are you confused?
To be clearer: the article should include information about set dancing and the resulting article should live on Irish folk dance.  (Of course set dancing is a kind of folk dance!)  The category "Irish dance" would include info about ballet and modern dance in Dublin, e.g., which is evidently not part of your subject here. --LMS
I've added some info on set dances.  More needs to be written.  I've also clarified the usage of irish dance to mean what some refer to as step dancing.  Step dancing is more of a slang term, while irish dance is the more formal term for the style of folk dancing that is the topic here.  Irish dance would mean something different than any dance that occurs in Ireland.  In fact, irish dance is extremely popular in the US, Canada and Australia. 12.250.251.139 05:50, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: At least in Eastern Canada and the Eastern US, most Irish step dance teachers do not teach set dancing beyond the traditional sets (St Patrick's Day, Blackbird, Garden of Daisies) and many don't teach more than one of these sets (and some seem to not teach any, because they are not mandatory for competitive Irish Dance competitions).
I believe that the original emphasis was correct -- Understood.  Unfortunately I'm not so sure. I always feel uncomfortable when reading articles which claim that such-and-such is purely Irish when I know from my own experience that it is in fact Gaelic. I felt that this article fell very much into that category and that is why I renamed it.
I think that there is still a place for an article called Irish dance.  It's just that I think that it should cover more than this article does (as LMS says above).  Some effort has been made to do that and as a result there is some non-step dancing information in the article.  In the meantime, I'll bow to your wishes and move the article back to Irish dance but ideally I'd like to see the step dancing elements in an article of their own. -- Derek Ross 18:19, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: I have to agree that the article that this article as it stands does is a poor description of the rich and vibrant threads that make up Irish Dance.  What should be an overview of Irish Dance is really little more than a description of 'Step Dance'. Indeed, the very first line of the article reads Irish stepdancing (one type of "Irish dance") which is a pretty blatant acknowledgement of what is contained here.  I do not think that tinkering with this page will get us anywhere and as such a fairly major overhaul is needed and a new structure needs to be agreed as to what exactly should go where.  Obviously covering everything in the one article would be unwieldy and as such much of what is here at present should be moved to a separate 'Step Dancing' page. This not to detract from the hard work that has already gone into this article but I feel that the vibrancy, diversity that is present in Irish dancing, as well as its links to other forms of dance, are not represented here.  In addition a lot more work needs to go into referencing as at the moment it reads like an opinion piece, almost nothing is verifiable at the moment. Having spent an number of years Set Dancing, both socially and in competition, (although I'll admit its been 4 years since my last set)   I do not see much of that represented here. The page on Set Dancing here is somewhat wanting too but it should be integrated here.  The omission of contempory dance in ireland is also a serious ommision, the dance theatre of ireland has been going for some ten years. --Njg 05:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The topics that constitute Irish Dance

message: To improve this article, and make it more truly reflect all Irish dance, I've added an introduction and a section on céilí dance, split off Irish stepdance into a separate article, and significantly trimmed down the stepdance stuff. The céilí dance section needs expanding; someone needs to write something about Irish set dance, including how it's different from céilí dance (all I've observed is that set dancers never actually run a dance all the way through), and if Njg wants a section on Modern Dance of Ireland, s/he can add that, too. Argyriou 20:51, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice to have a non-stepdance picture, anyway, since stepdance has its own article. I'll dig through my archives at home and supply one. Argyriou 19:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Split off [[Irish stepdance]]

message: Is Gay Gordons an Irish dance? I always thought it was a Scottish dance. (And I've never heard of "Shoe the Donkey".) There seems to be some distinction between set dancing and ceili dancing, though most social Irish dancing in the U.S. seems to be set, not ceili. Some of the stuff about dances with particular tunes or series of tunes seems to belong to set dancing. Is there enough about set vs ceili that we can have a section for each? Argyriou 19:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: "Irish dancing resembles Flamenco"? Both styles strike the floor with hard shoes, that's where the similarity ends; the methods, the postures, the attitude etc. are all very different.  The page is named "Irish dance".  Let's get some Irish dance experts to contribute. -- Kilclaren
Thought this page was about Irish Dance, what's all this discussion about Scots dance?  Kit
i think that you should talk about why they dance and the meaning of Irish Dancing
It is probably convenient to sign your posts with four tildies (~~~~). It will make reading this page easier. Also, as Kilclaren said, Flamenco dance and Irish dance have little in common.Di4gram 17:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Flamenco comparison

message: Please do not remove WikiProject tags - it is considered Vandalism. --Mal 01:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Northern Ireland|Northern Ireland Project]]

message: I agree with the comments above this is a poor and confusing article.
I'm not an expert in the field but as I understand it there are too main trends in Irish Dance
* set dancing which has evolved from the social scene and is mainly participative though there are sometimes displays
* the other being figure dancing which is performance oriented and is the main form on the competitive feis circuit and which has spawned the Riverdance show.
There is an older form of figure dance which is still around but not not mentioned in the article - Sean Nós (literally "old style") this is a variant of figure dance characterised by a less stiff upper body posture though like most figure dance the arms don't play a role.
Needs work particularly on the terminology and the clarity there of. --Gramscis cousin 02:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please - if you know enough about Sean Nós to write a section on it, do so! If I knew anything about it, I would have done so already, but I know almost nothing about Sean Nós. I'm going to go in and butcher the section on stepdance, since it has its own article. Adding information about Sean Nós will really help balance this article. Argyriou 20:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Sean Nós? 

message: A couple of references for the antiquity of ceili dance in general, if not of any particular ceili dance:
*Irish Step Dancing, A Brief History - History records a variety of dances done by the Irish in the mid-1500s. These include Rinnce Fada or Fading where two lines with partners faced each other, Irish Hey (possibly a round or figure dance), jigs (likely in a group), Trenchmores (described as a big free form country dance), and sword dances.
*A Brief Overview of Irish Dance - Ceili dances represent an informal tradition of dance that is common to much of humanity since prehistory.  Many are structured as sword dances, round dances, line dances, and progressive line dances.  The Normans have been credited for introducing the round dance into Ireland around the 12th century.  The "rince fada" [long dance] is actually a family of dances, one of which was described in the end of the 17th century as performed by "three persons moving abreast, each of which held the end of a white handkerchief, followed by the rest of the dancers in pairs". 
Argyriou (talk) 02:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of ceili 

message: The step dance section is now longer than the rest of the article.  Why is that, when there is an entire irish stepdance article on its own? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelH99 (talk • contribs) 09:18, 4 February 2007 
:This article, before I got to it, was 95% about Irish stepdance. I generally try to remove material added to the stepdance section, and add it to the Irish stepdance article instead. But there's a lack of good sourced material about other sorts of Irish dance, which is further complicated by the lack of consistency in naming of anything related to Irish dance - something called one thing in the U.S. is called something else in the UK and something else in Ireland. I'd like to make the articles more balanced, but it's not easy. Argyriou (talk) 21:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted all the additions on Feb 2 per above. Oh, it really helps if you sign articles with 4 tildes ~~~~. Argyriou (talk) 21:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: stepdance taking over

message: Hi! Thank you for having useful information to contribute to the Irish dance article; however, much of what you posted more properly belongs in the Irish stepdance article. If you want to recover the content of what you posted, check the history tab on the Irish dance article.  If today weren't so hectic, I'd add your stuff into the Irish stepdance article myself. Argyriou (talk) 22:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To the user editing from 193.1.100.110 

message: What about the difference between slow and fast hornpipe, and slow and fast treble jig? I don't know what the timing differences are myself (2/4, 4/4, etc) but I assume there must be some. A brief clarification of those would be helpful. Kerowyn  Leave a note  21:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a difference between time signature and tempo. The difference between a slow and fast hornpipe, or slow and fast jig, is purely one of tempo. I've linked to time signature in the article. Argyriou (talk) 17:42, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. Makes sense. Still, I'd like to mention that there are different tempos, so that people who know about slow and fast dances aren't confused. Kerowyn  Leave a note  18:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits regarding time 

message: For most readers, Belfast is in Northern Ireland, not Ireland as stated in the article. Lou Sander (talk) 20:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Irish dance is a phenomenon which has roots all over the island of Ireland, not just within the Republic of Ireland.  Some particular forms and moves are from Belfast, but they're still Irish.  Argyriou (talk) 22:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belfast 

message: I reverted the move to Dance in Ireland.  This article is not about dance in Ireland, it's about Irish dance, a group of dance forms which originated in Ireland, but which extend well beyond Ireland, and which are not the only dance forms which occur in Ireland.  If you want a "dance in Ireland" article, write about Irish dance, and about the Dublin National Ballet, and about American country dancing done in bars, and about all the other sorts of dance which people do in Ireland.  Argyriou (talk) 22:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted move 

message: Under the 'Competition Structure' section, the article made reference to the first World Championships being held in "Colaiste Mhuire, Dublin." This version made this look like the name of a town in County Dublin, or some such. (When I searched Wiki using that exact spelling as listed in the article, it took me to a school in County Mayo.) So, I assume the link that I've created with Coláiste Mhuire is the correct place where this initial competition took place??, but I don't know for certain. If this is incorrect, please change the link, but I was trying to word it in a way that made it clearer to an international reader where and what this location is. Nuclare (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind! I figured it out. A source here says it was Colaiste Mhuire at Parnell Square, so I've removed the link I added and reworded to make it clearer what/where this location is. Nuclare (talk) 20:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this the place? 

message: In the absence of a separate entry on ceili dancing, people had been automatically redirected to the "Ceili" page, which describes its meaning as a dance event rather than to a page describing the dance form (rather like the distinction made in "reversed move" above). Set dancing has avoided this problem by having a separate page for set dance, and a while back I created a ceili dance page to remedy the problem. Are there any objections or suggestions about my merging the ceili dance material from this page into that more specialized page, and adjust this one appropriately? CSProfBill (talk) 10:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate Ceili Dance Page like Set Dance? 

message: I removed the "injuries" section for several reasons. First, the section is all about Irish stepdance, and isn't nearly as relevant to other forms of Irish dance. (Stepdance is not the entirety of Irish dance!) Also, it places undue weight on injuries as a part of Irish dance. The articles on tap dance and ballet don't discuss injuries at all; having an entire section about stepdance injuries in the overall Irish dance article is really out of proportion. Argyriou (talk) 16:55, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Injuries section 

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