Talk:Mormon fundamentalism

message: According to the ULDC official website, Owen Spencer Smith was confirmed by a member of the Council of Fifty (most likely his grandfather) instituted by Joseph Smith Jr. The group was founded as the Smith clan or Smithites about the time of Winter Quarters in Nebraska. It became known as the "United Latter-day Church of Jesus Christ" most recently under Heber Gerald Smith's leadership. Heber just passed away between August 5th and 6th in the night. -Sthatting 06:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: United Latter-day Church of Jesus Christ

message: There should be a list with more information about different Mormon Fundamentalist groups on Wikipedia. I know that MF.org is a good resource, but I've also done some researching on the subject and there appears to be a larger church growing (though I am unsure how big because it is in Utah and I'm in California.) called the United Latter-day Church of Jesus Christ that is a spin-off of the FLDS Church. I suppose you can do what you want with the info, unless you folks already know. -71.102.141.168 03:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "fundamentalist" here, is a misnomer. Continuing revelation from God is without question the most fundamental doctrine of the "Mormon" people and religion. Plural marriage, communal living, restrictions against tea, coffe, cola drinks or beards -- these are non-fundamental issues that change. 
As with Muslim suicide bombers, these people are not adhering to the fundamentals of their own religion, and would more properly be defined as "para-Mormons" or perhaps "fringe-Mormons".
Drjackcv (talk) 00:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Mormon Fundamentalism or Fundamentalist Mormonism is not a self-ascribed term, but was one which journalists first introduced, and which historians have adopted.  Nevertheless the term fundamentalism suggests two things - 1) that a religion has changed, and 2) that there those who continue to believe those pre-change tenets (whatever they may be).  Does anyone disagree those points, or that this is the situation in this case?  Fundamentalist Mormons do not dispute the doctrine of continual revelation, only the validity of that revelation that conflicts with what they consider to be fundamental principles.  Whether they are justified in their beliefs or actions is not the responsibility of an neutral encyclopedia entry to determine.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobeyjaggle (talk • contribs) 15:22, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree basically with what Tobeyjaggle has said. The first application of the term "Mormon fundamentalist" was actually by Mark E. Petersen, an LDS Church apostle. He used it in a disparaging way, but it was picked up by the media and has been used ever since. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Fundamentalist Mormon Groups

message: Thought this recap of how most of the major mormon fundamentalist polygamous groups trace their authority would be useful at a later date . -Visorstuff 18:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History of Polygamous fundamentalists

message: Why has Mormon Fundamentalist not been merged with this article? Bytebear 01:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good find.  They should be merged. --66.233.54.205 20:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: Is that image a pro-mormon protest or an anti-mormon protest? I know of some people from suych famlies abandoning the mormon religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.132.2 (talk • contribs) 
: I also came to this talk page to ask this.  The sign is cut off.  The image lacks description.  The image's source merely says its someone who took it and released it into public domain. Are you ready for IPv6? (talk) 04:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protest Image 

message: The LDS church strives to separate itself from polygamy and the Mormon fundamentalist groups. This site portrays that the LDS church and the Mormon fundamentalist groups are related. I've tried to fix that but someone keeps changing it, please do your research and stop relating the LDS church and the Mormon fundamentalist groups.
:I see nothing in the article that indicates that the modern LDS Church is affiliated with Mormon Fundamentalism.  They share a common history and many common beliefs, and in that way are 'philosophically' related, but explanations of their differences take up a major part of this article, and it is hard to imagine someone equating the two movements after reading this article. --Tobey (talk) 07:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the very first sentences says "Mormon fundamentalism is distinct from Mormonism as it is practiced today by the LDS Church." How can this be misunderstood? Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

text: It says Mormonism is practiced by the LDS Church, not Mormon fundamentalism. Both groups practice a form of Mormonism, and the sentence is pointing out they are distinct forms. You've managed to misread it, which before I didn't think it could be.  Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

text: The "it" refers to the last noun that preceded it, which is "Mormonism". However, an editor has made the change I believe which does clarify it. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't think this is cleaned up at all.  It is  impossible to tell, from this article, that what Wikipedia calls "Mormon fundamentalism" is not Mormon.  And, guess who decides what is Mormon?  The LDS Church, and they've decided these polygamists fundamentalists are spin off sects.  This information should be in the first paragraph, and the article should be retitled.  --Blechnic (talk) 03:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The view that the LDS Church alone "decides what is Mormon" is not very NPOV, and it has even been rejected by intellectual property courts in the United States, so I don't think the view should be given much credence. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Religious freedoms are decided under "intellectual property courts in the United States?"  Guess what, that's what Mormonism is: the religion defined by the LDS Church, not by US intellectual property courts.  --Blechnic (talk) 04:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The LDS church IS NOT affiliated with mormon fundamentalism  

message: Shouldn't this article be named Latter Day Saint fundamentalism or Fundamentalism in the Latter Day Saint movement? Most non-LDS groups tend to shy away from using the term "Mormon" for themselves, and the LDS church agrees. 69.182.119.70 (talk) 17:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What most groups do doesn't seem relevant: Mormon fundamentalists use this term. Cool Hand Luke 18:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: : The following was originally posted to Talk:Mormon fundamentalism/Comments, but should have been added here instead, so moved. Could not put in approximate chronological order, as this sections on this talk page is not currently ordered that way. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks mighty fine now98.250.41.169 (talk) 05:11, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  From Talk:Mormon fundamentalism/Comments 

message: An article on the slang term "plyg" has been created, and there is is not enough to support it as a standalone article, so it should be merged here. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 23:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am all for a merge, is you can figure out one that works.  However, I'm also all for deletion as Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 17:26, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it's been taken care of. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 20:34, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plyg merge 

message: IMHO:  Fundamentalism and fundamentalist have been turned in somewhat a slur word dating at least from the time when the media began to use the term to mean extremist and in particular Moslem bombers, none of which to my knowledge call themselves by the term fundamentalist.  These terms properly refer to the movement which arose around the time of post-WWI,movement which sought to maintain the historical basics of Christianity in opposition to the modernist movement which was denying those basic truths.  Fundamentalism insisted that although there was a lot of permissible disagreement among Christians, to be Christian required at least a belief in some few basics like the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the Bible as God's Word, justification by faith, the resurrection, and the substitutionary atonement of Christ.  I suggest that this article would be better entitled Mormon movements which embrace polygamy.  (PeacePeace (talk) 06:42, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "Mormon fundamentalism" is the common name for this movement used in reliable sources, so it's the one we use on Wikipedia. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

text: I think what it means is that Smith was the originator of the idea within Mormonism. He was the first prophet of Mormonism to teach it. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should "fundamentalism" or "fundamentalist" be used in such an article? 

message: Isn't it a fact that the LDS still believe in polygyny, only they have moved it to life after death?  Don't they believe that after death a man can have several wives in Heaven or on the New Earth?  And do they seal plural wives in this life with the proviso that it won't actually be practiced until Heaven or until the New Earth?  (PeacePeace (talk) 06:52, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: In the LDS Church today the doctrine is unclear, or unsettled, at best. Yes, men can still be sealed to more than one wife if he has two wives in separate monogamous marriages, but now so too can a woman be sealed to more than one husband if she was in the same position. It's therefore unclear what these multiple sealings mean as far as the afterlife goes. I suspect that you would find a variety of beliefs about it among LDS Church members. I don't think the article needs to get into this issue, since it's about Mormon fundamentalism, not the LDS Church. The content of the doctrine in Mormon fundamentalism is much clearer. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:13, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the explanation. (PeacePeace (talk) 02:05, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this article be revised to state clearly that the LDS still believe in polygyny? 

message: So is it a fact that for such men, polygyny is not just allowable, but an essential to a proper religious life?   And then polygyny is not just a "true belief," but a basic belief, without which a man should not be called a Mormon or a Latter Day Saint?  So without a plurality of wives, a man would go to the Lake of Fire as fornicators do? (PeacePeace (talk) 04:44, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It relates to the degrees of glory. In Mormon belief, there is far more than just a heaven/hell division. In Mormon fundamentalism, men who don't practice plural marriage will not go to hell or the lake of fire just because they did not practice plural marriage, but to reach the highest level of the celestial kingdom, men must practice plural marriage. So yes, it is fairly fundamental since it is essential for the highest level in the afterlife. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:24, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Polygyny a fundamental? 

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message: Now, obviously the grand majority of people who hear the words "Mormon Fundamentalist" are going to think of the mostly Rocky Mountain groups that practice polygamy, but "Fundamentalist" can refer to the conservative RLDS groups such as the Restoration Branches. Deseret News also called them Fundamentalists, see here: https://www.deseret.com/1990/7/8/18870563/fundamentalists-vow-to-retrieve-reins-of-rlds-church
Also BYU article discussing them (and referring to them as RLDS Fundamentalists). 
https://atom.lib.byu.edu/smh/30052/
Writing this to explain further the reasons for my edit if necessary. 
69.120.202.15 (talk) 04:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think having the head note there is fine. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:40, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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