Talk:Mykonos

message: User:Adam_Bishop reverted the changes I had made to the Nightlife section.  I reverted back and made some slight mods.  I know it may sound 'touristy' to some but a section discussing nightlife will by nature sound like this.  If we are to be accurate on the nature of this island (as it has been for over 30 years and continues) someone, like me, who has been there many times and can give an accurate description, should do so.  Afterall, anyone who goes to this island goes there  because of the nightlife and beaches.  There is no other reason to go.  If you all think that this should still not be there then remove the nightlife section altogether and just write a sentence in somewhere saying that "the island has great nightlife".  I'm  just trying to make this article great.
:Well that's pretty much exactly what I did. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, so the section cannot "by nature" sound touristy. If you can't write a neutral, encyclopedic description of it, don't write it at all! Adam Bishop 15:07, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial Disagreement

message: It appears that after a few repetitive reverts on the article by the Wikipedians Adam Bishop and Andruzzo, we have arrived at a disagreement on if we should include a wider section in the Nightlife part of the article. Please, let's discuss the issue here, instead of repeatedly reverting and let's not start a revert duel! I suggest that both of you read the Wikipedia:Resolving disputes article, if you haven't already done so, which contains information on resolving cases like this. Let us propose what exactly we want to appear in the certain section of the article in this talk page, and also exactly what we do not like to be there. It would be best to create a draft of the specific section of the article in this talk page; when we all agree about what should be put there, we can edit the article itself. Although you will still be able to do so, please do not revert or edit the certain section of the article page again, before we arrive at a common agreement.
The two different proposals for the "Nightlife" section were the following, as seen in the last two reverts of the page.
"Nightlife" section by Adam Bishop (15:03, 1 September 2005, UTC):
:"The nightlife of Mykonos is among the best in the world. It has been rated among the top four clubbing destinations in the Mediterranean, along with Ibiza, Ayia Napa and Rimini. The nightlife in Mykonos focuses mainly on bars rather than clubs, but the dance clubs also host some of the world's most famous DJs."
"Nightlife" section by Andruzzo (12:27, 1 September 2005, UTC):
:"The nightlife of Mykonos is second to none in Greece and among the best in the world.  Mykonos never rests and party animals from around the world rate it among the top four clubbing destinations in the Mediterranean, along with Ibiza, Ayia Napa and Rimini. From the moment clubbers set foot on Mykonos they can swing from the best gigs with international superstar DJs that come to spin on the island every summer, to the liveliest beach bars in Paradise, Super Paradise and Paranga, to the trendiest gay clubs and the hottest private parties in the villas of the rich and famous.
:Truth be said, that Mykonos nightlife focuses mainly on bars rather than clubs.  What is really exciting is the after-hours bar-hopping in the narrow town streets where anything can (and does) happen.  From having a Fredo or a Frappe at a cafe next to a famous movie star to sharing drink shots with a famous fashion designer to watching a drag queen show.  The little bars of Little Venice are famous for drinking cocktails and watching the sunset while easy listening music plays.  Later, at night, the streets, bars and cafes are filled with everybody who is anybody in a fantastic and multiracial atmosphere where common people mix with celebrities and high-fashion and extreme looks are the norm.
:Of course, there are dance clubs in Mykonos and some have hosted the biggest DJs and the biggest events, two factors that contributed to some being on the World's Best Clubs lists."
It is clear that Andruzzo's edit contains a lot more information regarding the island, but is not in an encyclopaedic style, as Adam Bishop's. However, Adam Bishop's version misses a lot of information a Wikipedia reader might want to be aware of. Considering both sides, I suggest that we modify Andruzzo's version by changing its style to fit Wikipedia's as well as make sure it is written in a Neutral point of view. Please state your opinion and your suggestions about the article here.
--dionyziz 21:23, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Presenting Both Sides

message: It's OK...except that "Gay resort area" should be "Gay-friendly resort area". Otherwise people may believe that only gays go there which is entirely untrue, yet the island is very gay friendly.  With that change I think it sounds good.
I assume Adam is OK with it then?
--User:Andruzzo 2 September 2005
:Well it's better I guess, but not completely...I'll see if I can work on it. Adam Bishop 16:01, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to this Wikipedia entry to read about Mykonos as a gay resort, but find that there is now no mention of that in the entire article.  LOL.  Another Wikipedia article that has been rendered useless.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.29.47 (talk) 19:14, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Gay Resort?

message: Well I will say what I have a problem with, since I'm not sure I can fix it:
:"A visitor of Mykonos might get the chance to meet world-famous DJs playing music in the liveliest beach bars such as Paradise, Super Paradise and Paranga."
Why not say something like "Mykonos also attracts world-famous DJs to its beach bars such as...", which sounds less like "come meet famous DJs on your fabulous vacation". After all, you might not meet any famous DJs, right? So why say that? 
Is it necessary to mention "a lot of private parties"? There will be private parties at any given place in the world. 
:"The little bars of Little Venice are famous for drinking cocktails and watching the sunset while easy listening music plays."
This is the strangest bit for me, I think...I've never been to Mykonos of course, so I have no idea, but is that actually what they are most famous for? It just sounds weird, and something that would be found in a tourist brochure, as I said (or a description of a prize vacation won on a game show). I could do that at a bar at home, why go all the way to Mykonos?
:"Of course, there are dance clubs in Mykonos and some have hosted the biggest DJs and the biggest events, two factors that contributed to some being on the World's Best Clubs lists."
This sounds repetitive...why not just include it above, "Mykonos also attracts world-famous DJs to its beach bars and dance clubs such as..."
I hope this is helpful. Adam Bishop 17:48, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sounds like an advertisement...

message: This is WP:TRAVEL. It is uncited, which is nearly beside the point for a travel "observation" anyway. All cities have bars. The people who frequent them, as do any denizens, love them. They assume they are "better than" the bar scene in any other city. But that does not make them sufficiently notable for inserting in the text. Student7 (talk) 18:54, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nightlife

message: More fluff has been added but no knowledge to what is supposed to be an encyclopedia not a travelogue. Who cares who visits it? Some of this, if objectively worded, could be under "Economy/tourism." But not worded like "you should visit here." That is WP:SPAM. Student7 (talk) 18:28, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Day life

message: I just removed
"Mykonos is one of the most cosmopolitan (Clarify|what does "cosmopolitan" mean for an encyclopedia? Europeans who can afford it visit every island. So what?|date=July 2011) islands in Europe, and has attained iconic (Clarify|people worship it? This is not encyclopedic|date=July 2011) status among European vacationers;(Clarify|This sounds like fluff|date=July 2011) many (Clarify|how many is "many?|date=July 2011) international celebrities (Clarify|Sounds travelish and fluff. who is "international"? Steven Hawking? Madonna?|date=July 2011) visit the island every year. (ref)Tom Masters, Europe on a shoestring, 2008(endref) (ref)Duncan Garwood, Mediterranean Europe, 2009(endref) (ref) Lloyd E. Hudman, Richard H. Jackson, Geography of travel and tourism, 2003(endref)(ref)Harry Coccossis, Alexandra Mexa, The challenge of tourism carrying capacity assessment: theory and practice, 2004(endref)"
Several problems: the requests for clarification were ignored.
Footnotes were supplied, but for which text? Hard to say. Also all hardcopy. Can't be checked by most reviewers. Also placed in "raw" format. Can't really tell whether books exist or not, but this is usually a minor point. While hardcopy references are acceptable when an article is being edited in a scholarly fashion, this one isn't. The paragraph is full of fluff.
I have visited Mykonos myself. It was windy, expensive, and unpleasant. "Quaint" and picturesque. But I wouldn't have come that far for "quaint" ordinarily. So it must have "something" going for it, besides quaint. But editors are not being very informative IMO. Also, they should try for online footnotes for credibility. This is a well-visited place and there should be plenty of those. Hard copy footnotes can be added later when credibility has been established. Student7 (talk) 12:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The only statement with credibility is that it is a tourist destination for gays, with a credible citation. This was removed by somebody who apparently did not like it. See WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. While this policy covers discussion pages, the general tone suggests that material shouldn't be removed because you don't like it. Student7 (talk) 12:57, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Unclarified material

message: The ending for "The Bourne Identity" movie was shot here.  http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/b/bourneid_2.html  • Sbmeirow • Talk •  08:13, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film location 

message: There is a famous feature on Mykones, two hills known as the 'breasts of aphrodite', shouldn't they get a mention in the Geography section?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.141.159 (talk) 18:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breasts of Aphrodite? 

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