Talk:Ivan the Terrible

message: In Early life Yuri was spelled two ways Yuri and lurii, is that a mistake or is it just spelled differently because of translation?Oʞeanose ✎ 12:56, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Word Correction

message: From the article:
:There isn't much known about Ivan so this will be a difficult article to add to!
Question: Was he born in 1534 or 1533? Sources talk
I believe he was the czar in 1533, but i'm not sure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bobadeba (talk • contribs).
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Exact translation of Ivan Grozny's nickname  and toning down of his presumably "mad" character, as well as the commentary about the goal of Oprichina was supplemented by G.N.Boiko-Slastion on Nov.30,2003.
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Considering that many historians do indeed judge Ivan to have been deranged, I think this article should consider this view as well as the view that Ivan was a farsighted, sane statesman. As is the article is learning towards the sane side more than is appropriate.
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A link to the Eisenstein films (or to Eisenstein himself until the articles are written) would be appropriate.
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He was not born on janurary 18 1993
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Ivan IV certainly WAS born on 18 Jan, 1993.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.252.4.21 (talk) 02:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Year of birth

message: Dude, where's this dude's library?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.158.136 (talk) 21:49, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Library

message: Why would a drunken Boyar putting his dirty boots on Ivan's bed contribute to his mental instability? Cwiki 10:59, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Address this question to Dr. Freud. What "mental instability" do you talk about, by the way? Ivan's brains were sharper than ours. --Ghirla -трёп- 11:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It borders on the ridiculous. I'm going to pull it. NeoFreak 15:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dirty Boots 

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Anon, these are typical secondary sources. They were written in the 20th or 21st centuries. Primary sources should date to the 16th century. Are you sure that your additions are not an urban legend? --Ghirla -трёп- 09:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here are the primary sources (since the BBC doesnt suffice) 

message: I found an article about Andrey Kurbsky, doing a random article search. There is no mention of Andrey Kurbsky in the Ivan IV article. I added a link under SEE ALSO, but someone who is more knowledgable than me may wish to add it in to the main article. --KVox 20:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should have read the article more carefully. --Ghirla -трёп- 16:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrey Kurbsky 

message: At Talk:Jan I Olbracht it's been suggested that perhaps the easiest way to enforce the wiki conventions on naming of rulers would be to move all articles to the proper title and this one was given as an example. Any ideas on John IV of Muscovy? //Halibutt 20:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: Is it possible to get a higher-resolution image of the Ilya Repin painting (Ivan the Terrible killing his son)? The particularly haunting expression on Ivan's face doesn't come through in the current small version. Robotman1974 09:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information.  I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list.  Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article.  Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this approach as a model for the editors here.  Regards, Durova 17:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say that this part of the article is really weak. I mean, mentioning a movie standard like "Ivan the Terrible" of Eisenstein only in "See Also" section is just not right. With three parts, including one censored and one unfinished, the filming project of the Tsar's life played a considerable part in creation of his modern legend. Deliogul (talk) 16:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cultural depictions of Ivan IV of Russia]] 

message: It is very frustrating to see a rather neutral article ruined by tendentious editing... :( --Ghirla -трёп- 18:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tendentious editing by Bel-Velvel 

message: 1.
Previous text: """ In a dispute with the wealthy city of Novgorod, Ivan ordered the Oprichniks to murder inhabitants of this city, which was never to regain its former prosperity. Between thirty and forty thousand might have been killed during the infamous Massacre of Novgorod in 1570 """ 
This paragraph contains a lot of mistakes.
* Novgorod was not prospering city to 1570 after the epidemics of plague and the famine of  1560s.
* Ivan did not ordered to kill all city dwellers. 
* The number of 30-40 thousand victims is represented as  finished proved statement. Though these figures strongly contradict even to a population of city to 1570 (10,000-20,000).
* The official data were fair enough. It is the report of the commander of Oprichniki Maljuta Skuratov  and commemoration lists of  tsar. Would he lie before the God, being the religious person?
2.
It is incorrect to declare famine and the devastation of Russia as result of the Oprichnina only. Authors of this opnion forget the Big Drought and the epidemics of plague in 1560s, the  Polish-Lithuanian and Swedish raids on Russian territory (devastation of region Smolensk, Pskov, Novgorod, Yaroslavl, South-West etc), attacks of Tatars of Crimea (They even burnt down Moscow), the  trading blockade carried out by Swedes, Poles and Hanseatic League. 
In 1560s the grain prices have grown ten times. Epidemic of the plague killed 10,000 in Novgorod. In 1570 the plague killed 600-1000 in Moscow daily. (R.Skrynnikov, "Ivan Grosny", M., AST, 2001)
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Ivan realized objective centralization tendencies. In Europe these tendencies  conducted to overcoming of the feudal privileges and dissociation  and to the building of the absolutistic state. It is necessary to remember  the bloody acts of  Henry VIII (England), Charles IX (France), Erik XIV (Sweden) and Spanish kings. 
The Oprichnina was not the product of Ivan's paranoia. In the regions of Oprichnina (the Northeast of Russia) the number of large noble landowners was small. Basing on the Oprichnina, tsar wanted to suppress the nobility of the Southwest and the West of Russia, who did not support his struggle against Poland, Lithuania and Sweden.
4. My text: "In 1552 tsar won Kazan Khanate, whose armies repeatedly devastated the Northeast of Russia (ref), and annexed its territory. 1556 he annexed Astrakhan Khanate and destroyed the largest slave market on the river Volga. These gains of tsar complicated the migration of aggressive nomadic hordes from Asia to Europe through Volga and transformed Russia into a multinational and multiconfessional state."... "He introduced the local self-management in rural regions, mainly in the Northeast of Russia, populated by the state peasantry.  What in this versions frustrate my opponent?
 
Ben-Velvel 18:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What you need to do is to add facts and place a reference and page number for them. At present, reference three is faultily presented. One reference for each source here would be preferable, with a page number for published books, including chronicles. Editorial comment by the editor is not the done thing, even in notes. And it is always best to reference opposing sources where sources clash, or the reader will then only see a partial interpretation of events. qp10qp 19:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

text: "Would he lie before the God, being the religious person?" Quite possibly. Religious people have certainly been known to lie. - Jmabel | Talk 05:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The number of victims of Novgorod massacre is very overestimated. The article contains other mistakes also 

message: Ivan IV(Ivan the Terrible) was born in Kolomenskoye NEAR Moscow not actually there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by L 2 Da U (talk • contribs) 03:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: I have a map here published by Rand McNally & Company that indicates that Siberia was acquired by Russia between 1598 and 1689.  Since Ivan dies before 1598, his reign could not have seen the conquest of Siberia as indicated in the first paragraph of the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.93.39 (talk • contribs).
As far as I know Ermak and his cossaks defeated the khanate of Siberia in 1581 near the place where the city of Tobolsk currently stands. So you can say Ivan conquered Siberia, even though Russian troops reached the Pacific shores much later due to the vastness of Siberia.Bianconeri78 (talk) 12:04, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Conquest of Siberia

message: THIS HELPED ME A LOT IN MY ASSINGMENT. THANKS. 
♠ŚиíþéЯ♠ 03:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  thaNKS FOR UR HELP 

message: I've heard (not knowing Russian myself) that in the name "Peter the Great", the "Great" represents "grozny" in the original Russian. So can't we call the earlier tsar Ivan the Great?
Note: I once heard of a lecture in which a historian started by explaining that "terrible" was not a good translation.  After subsequently summarizing Ivan's career he concluded: "Now that I think about it, he really WAS pretty terrible".
CharlesTheBold 04:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If he is known to the English-speaking world as Ivan the Terrible and Wikipedia wants to keep that usage, fine. But don't have the lead paragraph pretend that this is a correct translation of the Russian.  Instead, say just that and then give the proper translation.  Every native Russian-speaker I know would use Äwe-Inspiring or Thundrous or even Awesome as the correct translation into modern English.--LeValley 22:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The verb grozit' (грозить) means "to threaten", as in "он грозил меня убить" "on grozil menya ubit'" "he threatened to kill me".  The noun groza (гроза) means a violent storm with lots of energy-release, thunder, and lightning. So someone who's groznyj (грозный) would be like a bad storm that's unpredictable and unpredictably violent, thus rather than "terrible" a more appropriate translation, as suggested above, would be "frightening" or even "terrifying".  Ivan was sufficiently crazy in a violent way that today he'd at a minimum have a prescription for serious meds and quite possibly would be an in-patient in a locked environment. 98.118.26.43 (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  LeValley, the lede para does not "pretend" that Terrible is the correct translation of the Russian Гро́зный​.  It is saying that he is known in English as "Ivan the Terrrible" (which is undeniably true) and that he is known in Russian as "Ива́н Гро́зный​" (which is equally undeniably true).  That's all.  It's also true that if he were a much more recent historical figure than he was, we'd probably be calling him "Ivan the Awesome" or whatever.  But he wasn't and we don't.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:11, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another translation of Grozny 

message: I've been unable to detect a single reasonable edit made in the main body of this article since last year. --Ghirla-трёп- 12:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No... and you should also notice that the article for the TV show "Ninja Warrior" is twice as long as this article.--38.136.14.239 (talk) 14:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Degradation of Wikipedia 

message: I'm unregistered so I can't. Someone remove the broken BBC link at the bottom. 88.114.251.167 13:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad link 

message: If you have an argument with someone, and strike him in the head with a staff, how exactly does that constitute an "accident"?  Manslaughter rather than murder, by modern evaluation, but hardly an accident. Mapjc (talk) 16:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The result of striking his son on the head (the death) was probably an accident. The act however, would almost definitely be considered manslaughter, but the killing, to our knowledge was an accident. 209.90.142.206 (talk) 04:05, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the word the writer intended was "unpremeditated".  Ivan had nothing to gain from killing his son. It was the self-indulgent, momentary whim of an absolute monarch.  According to William Durant's STORY OF CIVILIZATION, Ivan realized within minutes that he had not only committed a horrible personal act but also destroyed his dynasty.CharlesTheBold (talk) 17:33, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death of Son 

message: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#IvanT Looks like a blog source, which list references. Not reliable. Tyrenius (talk) 02:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Questionable ref

message: The infobox mentions only Feodor I as his offspring and only Anastasia of Russia as his wife.  
But he had 6 children with Anastasia - Anna, Maria, Dmitri (1), Ivan, Evodokia, and Feodor.  And he married 6 more times (people talk of the 6 wives of Henry VIII, but never about the 7 wives of Ivan the Terrible) and produced 2 more children.   
There was Maria Cherkasskaya (1561), who produced a son Vassily.  Then came Maria Sobakina (1571), Anna Koltoskaya (1574), Anna Vasilshchikov (1576), Vassilisa Malentieva (1577), and finally Maria Nagaya (1580), who produced a final child, Dmitri (2).  
In the article we mention his son Ivan, whom he killed on 16 November 1581.  But there’s some suggestion that he also killed Dmitri (1), on 3 July 1583 (or maybe they were getting confused with Ivan).  Dmitri (2) supposedly died aged 9, in 1591, but False Dmitri I claimed that he had survived and that he was him. 
These details all need to get into the article.  --  JackofOz (talk) 03:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that omission. Has it been fixed and I missed it?--T. Anthony (talk) 08:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Not sure what you mean.  There's a reference to his 7 wives as part of a photo caption, but that's likely to be overlooked, and apart from Anastasia there's no mention of his marriages anywhere.  Nor is there mention of any of his 8 children, apart from Feodor I.  --  JackofOz (talk) 08:12, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dang. I looked for information on his wives, but I didn't find that much. He apparently shipped some of them off to convents never to be heard from again, more or less, so they don't seem to be as well-documented. (I believe Henry wanted to ship Catherine of Aragon off to a convent, but it didn't work out)--T. Anthony (talk) 16:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I think her name was Maria Tscerkaski because I have gathered that the Kabard princess was his 2nd spouse and her name was first name Maria.  It is said that the marriage was of a political nature to solidify the grip of the Russian Empire on Kabardino-Balkaria.--71.108.3.62 (talk) 12:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Her name was Maria Cherkasskaya.  I provided all the names of his 7 wives above, with details of the other children as well, with a link to where I found them all.  All it needs is someone to put them into the article, because I'm crap with infoboxes.  --  JackofOz (talk) 07:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Seven wives and eight children

message: Ivan married a Kabard princess.   What was her name? --71.108.3.62 (talk) 11:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think her name was Maria Tscerkaski because I have gathered that the Kabard princess was his 2nd spouse and her name was first name Maria.  It is said that the marriage was of a political nature to solidify the grip of the Russian Empire on Kabardino-Balkaria.--71.108.3.62 (talk) 12:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Her name was Maria Cherkasskaya.  I provided all the names of his 7 wives above, with details of the other children as well, with a link to where I found them all.  All it needs is someone to put them into the article, because I'm crap with infoboxes.  --  JackofOz (talk) 07:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kabard princess

message: Did Ivan at any time have more than one wife at the same time?--71.108.3.62 (talk) 11:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polygamy  

message: In the early reign section, it reads "According to his own letters, Ivan customarily felt neglected and offended by the mighty boyars from the Shuisky and Belsky families. (These traumatic experiences may have contributed to his hatred of the boyars and to his mental instability. Alternatively, the negative feelings revealed in his letters may have been a reflection of his disagreeable temperament.)"
Isn't the part inside the parinthesis just speculation? Shouldn't that part be removed?
GBizzle (talk) 05:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation? 

message: From my talk page:
:Concerning this change. Alex Bakharev, although 
:in the piece of text you‘ve added in the article there was some link, the linked text doesn't contain this information, so this piece of text remained unreferenced and thus should be removed. Please try not to add this piece of text again before you find an appropriate source for it. Thanks! 戦車 besuch mich 03:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. besides that adding “the“ to ”1525” is useless. Next time try to examine the subject properly before reverting.
The source is an article from Rodina magazine. The web version only provides the beginning of the article but the material is reasonably clear (and a public knowledge anyway). I will add another sources over recognition of Ivan IV claims Alex Bakharev (talk) 07:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing the name of the state

message: The article shows a photo of Ivan looking over a woman:
"Tsar Ivan IV admires his sixth wife Vasilisa Melentyevna (while sleeping)." 
However, if you click on the link to his first wife, Anastasia, you see the same picture with a different caption:
"Ivan the Terrible at the deathbed of his first and most-beloved wife, Anastasia Romanovna."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.231.179 (talk) 20:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1 photo, 2 captions 

message: I was looking up Ivan the Terrible after playing AoEIII, thinking who exactly was this guy... This page scared me. I believe the introduction section needs to be redone. It seems really messy and the thoughts seem rather scattered.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.75.51 (talk) 17:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rough Read? 

message: Shouldn't we mention that he opened Archangelsk as a major port?  That was pretty significant, he opened up trade with the English.  149.152.191.3 (talk) 21:46, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archangelsk 

message: possible? Louboi (talk) 23:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Medieval nation state" 

message: "The English mistranslation of the historical name of Ivan IV stems from traditional American propaganda's intention to distort and demonize Russian history."
LOL. The Russians are pros at distorting their own history. Half of which they don't know themselves b/c anyone who told the truth was murdered, jailed, banished or all of the above.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.95.24 (talk) 10:25, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, good catch. I removed that bit, which certainly violates WP:OR and WP:POV. I am not sure when exactly it was added, but this article does occasionally get "drive-by" POV edits. Nsk92 (talk) 05:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that was one of those "drive-by" POV/OR edits, which was just added yesterday. Anyway, reverted. Nsk92 (talk) 16:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ivan the Terrible 

message: moved per consensus below that, in this case, the common name should be used rather than the MOS regnal number style.--rgpk (comment) 23:53, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's already been answered - it's because in this case the cognomen is vastly better recognized. If the only arguments against this are based solely on false statements about naming conventions, I think we can say we have effective consensus here.--Kotniski (talk) 07:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. I was tempted to close this as rough consensus, but decided to vote instead. Hopefully that will give us a clearer decision. Andrewa (talk) 21:02, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

text: If it were done again, you could add my name in support of the move to "Ivan the Terrible" and PMAndersen has stated the same in another forum.  That would make it 6-2, a much clearer consensus.  --Taivo (talk) 01:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  A very odd move indeed. --Ghirla-трёп- 12:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Other odd moves to nicknames are Robert the Bruce, Ivan the Terrible & one I just correctly reverted William the Lion. -- GoodDay (talk) 23:34, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Now that this move succeeded, I've proposed that Catherine II of Russia be moved Catherine the Great by the same reasoning.  See: Talk:Catherine II of Russia#Requested move.  --Born2cycle (talk) 00:25, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Catherine move proposed

message: I am sorry but I am unable to understand the following line:
:His long reign saw the conquest of the Khanates of Kazan, Astrakhan, and Siberia, transforming Russia into a multiethnic and multiconfessional state spanning almost one billion acres, approximately 130 km2 (50 sq mi)
One billion acres making 130 km2 while this all express Russian state of Khanates of Kazan, Astrakhan and Siberia included. Any explanation will be appreciated.--قیصرانی (talk) 13:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unit of Conversion 

message: This comment was hidden within the article. I thought it would be better to bring it to the fore on the talk page. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 07:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving hidden comment from within article 

message: Notice that "the" is sometimes left out when it should be there in Russian articles. Just saying. English avoids overuse but it's still used or it sounds like a Russian speaking English, or a Yorkshire person "put kettle on". Manytexts (talk) 13:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The? 

message: The article is chaotic, pathetically emotional, and lacks any structure.
A good example is that formation Oprichnina and Crimean raids are mentioned TWICE, as if these parts were written by different editors. At the same time article does not tell how and why Ivan launched Oprichnina (it completely misses the story of his staged abdication), and lacks any mention of Battle of Molodi.
We need it to be completely re-arranged. Russian article has a good structure to copy:
*Internal Policy (includes Oprichnina)
*Foreign policy (divided to Diplomacy and Wars)
* Family and death
* Legacy.Garret Beaumain (talk) 11:41, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Structure

message: So the first sentences gives his name twice,   as something in cyrillic which apparently transliterates as "Ivan Chetvyorty"   and then another in cyrillic which transliterates as "Ivan Grozny".     And the OGG soundbite for these BOTH comes out as "Ivan Grozny".   Now I know there are issues with Russian transliteration,  but you can't get "Chetvyorty" from "Grozny".   Now we all know what "Grozny" means,   what does "Chetyvorty" mean ?Eregli bob (talk) 06:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the duplicate, as I couldn't find an ogg file for Ivan IV Vasilyevich. Chetvyorty means fourth. Materialscientist (talk) 06:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  name ? 

message: Ivan the Terrible - означает Иван Ужасный, это не верно!!!(Terrible - страшный, ужасный, грозный, жуткий, ужасающий, чудовищный, кошмарный, отвратительный, убийственный), "Грозный"(Grozny) - означает, грозящий, угрожающий, тот у кого грозный вид, который пугает окружающих, Menacing (in some states known as brandishing) is a violent crime in most state jurisdictions of the United States. Although the wording and degrees of offense vary slightly from state to state, the criminal act of menacing generally consists of displaying a weapon to a person with the intention of threatening them with bodily harm from said weapon. - это близкое по значению определение!)) Поясняю еще раз, это не значит что он был страшным или уродливым или пугающим, это значит что один его вид грозил всем окружающим и вселял в сердца страх перед Царем, который был 180 см роста, имел атлетическое сложение, это значит что по тем временам он был великаном, был умен и суров!
Смотрите реконструкцию Mikhail Gerasimov! Grozny - означает выражение его лица, содержащее в себе угрозу, грозный взгляд.SpecialAdviser (talk) 08:53, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Дело совсем не в правильности перевода отдельных слов, а в полном имени которое наиболее популярно в англоязычной печати. Это имя Ivan the Terrible, и мы его используем в википедии. Materialscientist (talk) 09:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: О черт, я об этом забыл, обычно я не такой беспечный, мне пора отдыхать!) Уже хотел добавить для разъяснения пару примеров, что бы было понятно о чем я говорю "Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace"))SpecialAdviser (talk) 09:06, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ivan the Terrible 

message: Ivan the allegedly "terrible" is a totally TERRIBLY wrong and ignorant translation, this includes also the western lies about his "terrible" leadership... Ivan the dreadful is the right translation of his name, not "terrible".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.182.239.105 (talk) 13:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: When this man reigned "terrible" MEANT "inspiring terror". It was a synonym of "dreadful". The translation simply hasn't been changed since then. --Khajidha (talk) 18:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: How about Ivan the Terrifying? (PeacePeace (talk) 01:14, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be a fine translation, but it isn't actually used by anyone. Seriously, people need to understand that whatever the meaning of the words now, then, or in their own head, the fact remains that this guy is usually called "Ivan the Terrible" in English and that that is all that matters. Hell, if the common English name for him was "Susan the Sweet", that's where the article would be and there would be nothing that could be said against it. --Khajidha (talk) 13:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

text: In modern English, Terrible means 1) Inspiring terror, and 2) rubbish.  Dreadful means 1) inspiring dread, and 2) rubbish.  Both translations are equally good (or terrible/dreadful). Iapetus (talk) 10:46, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wront translation of his name 

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message: On the assumption that Czar is the equivalent of Caesar and a claim to be a Roman Empire ruler, would it not be better to spell it Czar instead of Tsar, since Czar looks more like Caesar? (PeacePeace (talk) 01:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: All of which is irrelevant to the fact that the word (at least in reference to Russian monarchs) is generally spelled "Tsar". The spelling "Czar" is more commonly used in English for things like "drug czar". Basically, English doesn't care what usage "should" be, the question is simply "what IS the common usage?" --Khajidha (talk) 13:52, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would it be better to spell in English Tsar as Czar? 

message: When in category, Ivan the Terrible is under T
Is there a specific reason he's under T and not I? Cinefan Cinefan (talk) 01:11, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorization 

message: Actually "terrible" aptly applies to every*single*Russian ruler since day one including the current putz. Why mince words?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.95.24 (talk) 10:20, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Still better than 99% of western rulers with their inquisitions and witch-burnings. 115.244.45.193 (talk) 15:46, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really applies to all Russian rulers 

message: Anyone know if Ivan had a signature when writing his name?    81.108.244.153 (talk) 22:07, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signature