Talk:Armlock

message: ...several armlocks are not separable into shoulderlocks and locks targeting the elbow joint. Another reason was to unify the all the short stubs about the separate armlocks under one banner. The armbar couldn't be left out when some locks at the elbow joint were included, so it was included as well. ---Marcus- 22:47, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pritty much ready now, i've wanted everyone to see what it looks like as finished. Some more references and links will be added though. ---Marcus- 13:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: And if it get's too crowded or messy, it can later be split up again... but right now, i think having them all under one banner is the best option. ---Marcus- 13:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: From what I've read, the omoplata is often referred to as a shoulder lock only. But I guess this is ok, given the subsections. Shawnc 13:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes the omoplata is used as a shoulderlock, but after careful scrutiny i found out that some judo practitioners get the position, but instead of cranking the shoulder(which isn't allowed), they crank the elbow. ---Marcus- 13:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting stuff, maybe you can put that in the article! Shawnc 14:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: The problem is that it was a discussion in a judo forum, and not a good technique page; but i'll see if I can find some. ---Marcus- 14:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This article was created because...

message: I noticed that it doesn't have any licensing. But heck, it's from a newspaper, a major article, possibly even cover page, and its pritty damn old. But maybe some form of licensing explanation (fair use?) should be added?---Marcus- 17:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure what the licensing should be -- I photoshopped it from a video I downloaded, a Japanese-language clip covering the match.  I've added a fair use tag for describing the match/technique/Masahiko Kimura. Shawnc 05:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The kimura picture 

message: There are lots of nice images here, but nothing showing a standing armlock. -- Medains 12:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of standing armlocks 

message: Therefore, armlocks are usually more easily performed from a dominant grappling position on the ground such as the mount, side mount, or guard. 
I personally wouldn't call guard a dominant position, I'd call it a neutral position.
:I second that.  Disco 06:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dominant Grappling Positions 

message: This was on Low but I changed it to Mid.  In my opinion it should be mid or high... but definitely not low, armlocks are an important and frequent device used in martial arts. Disco 06:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance 

message: Everybody's doing it! Mike R (talk) 22:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do the hammerlock, you turkey necks 

message: While this photo does indeed depict an armbar, I believe that it does not uphold the standard of quality I would expect for wikipedia.  
My criticisms in order of importance:
1. The lock is being applied using poor technique.  
:A. The opponents hand should be oriented thumb-rather than pinky-up.
:B. The Marine is grabbing the wrist of his opponent with large amounts of space between his torso and the arm
::I. An ineffective grip
::II. Inefficient utilization of the muscles of the torso
:C. As another user pointed out: The marine is not squeezing his knees very tight
2. The Marine is wearing wrap-around sunglasses
:A. He is indoors
:B. Uncool and tacky
3. The opponent is screaming: tacky
I know that there are many differences in armbar styles and types, but I just had to voice my concerns.  I do not think that this photo should be the primary representative for armlocks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.26.205.74 (talk) 00:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  He looks like a clown and it makes the whole article look ridiculous.  The technique isn't right, and seriously, who trains with sunglasses on?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.50.6 (talk) 13:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you have another image that we can use (either public domain or under a Creative Commons license then please replace that one. --Natet/c 13:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with the Main Photo 

message: In my experience a straight armbar will break the forearm, not the elbow.  Certainly the elbow is strained, but the forearm will break before the elbow does.  I suggest saying that the straight armbar (when done properly) attacks the forearm and not the elbow.  Agree disagree?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.3.49.68 (talk) 18:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking as someone with experience in grappling, I tend to disagree. In my experience, the straight armbar is an elbow attack, when done properly it will hyperextend the elbow, and eventually tear tendons and break the joint. While there will be pressure on the forearm it is not the primary target, the joint is the weak point of the arm and much more vulnerable to isolation and attack. However, if the opponent attempts a lift while the armbar is applied, the amount of force of the forearm is greatly increased and this can actually cause the forearm to snap (see image). Nevertheless, it is important to state that this is a side effect of poor defensive tactics, not the original goal of the technique.--Jdcollins13 (talk) 15:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Straight armbar attack? 

message: How can one make the redirect jump to the Omoplata anchor on the page? If someone searches Omoplata they see the armbar image at the top and they assume it means "armbar" -iopq (talk) 10:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: to make a redirect point straight to a section the usual method is to use the pagename followed by a pound sign (#) then the section name. alternately you could simply follow the contents link to the desired section and copy the applicable part of the url, or perhaps copy the link straight from the contents, the latter I have not tested however, so I am not as sure on that will work.Jdcollins13 (talk) 21:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omoplata 

message: I was just going through the article and doing some general maintenance, when I noticed we have some redundant and unsourced material in the introduction, mainly the description of the armbar and flying armbar, respectively. I feel that some of the information may be of value, but should be relocated to the appropriate sections or subsections with valid citations added, but before initiating such a change I would like make sure there are no objections.Jdcollins13 (talk) 22:24, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rendundant/Unsourced Intro 

message: Yesterday an ip user deleted an entire section (Juji-gatame), and renamed a section from flying armbar to cross armbreaker, perhaps I'm in the minority but I feel flying armbar is a much more common term for the technique, and I personally felt Juji-gatame was one of the most informative sections in the article, are there any thoughts on this? (I wish to avoid edit warring so seek a general consensus) Jdcollins13 (talk)
:I am replacing removed information. Jdcollins13 (talk) 21:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Vandalism Edits 

message: On this edit I removed some stuff added by 139.67.141.132 that may be of use but needs copyediting and checking. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 05:21, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some possibly helpful info 

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