Talk:Albert Ball

message: Putting more detail here about the wording that was queried at the FAC. The sentence in question (towards the end of the 'Second fighter posting' section) currently reads: "After the last of these victims nearly rammed him in a head-on firing pass, Ball anxiously flew his seriously damaged plane home.". I've dug through the editing history and located when this sentence was added and modified (apologies for the length of this, but I think it is important to be clear what happened here and how easy it is to inadvertently change meaning without intending to):
*First appears here (cited to pages 137–138 of Bowyer) on 15 June 2009: "overwrought nervousness".
*Modified on 29 April 2010 to "an advanced state of nervousness".
*Modified again on 18 October 2013: "anxiously".
*Page citation changed on 23 October 2013: pages 190–191 of Bowyer.
This sort of gradual changing of the text to the extent that the original meaning was lost is not good. I'm pinging George, Ian and Dank (as the three who made those edits) to get their views on this (Dank, George has said more about this back at the FAC, and I think that shows that the change you made did need checking and does need reverting, would you agree?). Correcting this one is easily done, I'm more concerned about whether this is an isolated case, or should spot checks of the other citations be done to ensure they are accurate, both for page numbers and for phrasing? I think some of Dank's other copy-edits had 'please check' in the edit summary - has anyone been checking those? I think the only other one is this one, which looks fine to me, but George or Ian may be better placed to assess that change. Carcharoth (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording queried at FAC 

message: Copying out here the text of the source:
*Gibson; Kingsley Ward. 'Victoria Cross and George Cross recipients who died in the war periods'. Courage Remembered. p. 173: "His father [...] wanted his son's remains to be repatriated but, by then, repatriation had been forbidden. Hearing this, Sir Albert insisted that his son's grave be undisturbed and, when the remains of the other 23 Britons were moved to Cabaret Rouge British Cemetery, Souchez, his wishes were respected."
That is the justification for the 'His father [...] to remain' text added here.  What is there in the 'Bowyer. Albert Ball VC. pp. 227–228' source that justifies the removal of "His father wanted the remains brought back to England for reburial, but the policy put in place by the Imperial War Graves Commission meant that this was not possible"? Carcharoth (talk) 01:52, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Mate, this article has had a huge number of edits since you got involved in it and I can't check every one.  I actually had no recollection of who added that info or when and, as I couldn't access the source to check and it seemed to contradict the claim that Ball Sr wanted the grave left undisturbed and Bowyer didn't mention it, I felt we could afford to lose it. Now that you've vouched for it and provided the actual info, which offers some clarification of why Ball first wanted repatriation and then wanted the grave left undisturbed, I don't have an issue with it being returned (although I still find it curious Bowyer doesn't highlight it). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:10, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert Ball's grave 

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