Talk:Wythenshawe

message: The link to Wayne Barratt of Slaughter and the Dogs is for an American investigative journalist who has been with Village Voice for over 20 years. Think there'sh been shome mishtake, barman...
Likewise the one for Mike Rossi, which links to a radio DJ in Philadelphia. I've just looked up his picture and will say that unless he's shed twenty years or so that is definitely not him.
Kevin Kennedy (Curly Watts in Corrie) did however come from Wythenshawe.
And (finally) I always thought that Johnny Marr came from Sale. Does that count as Wythenshawe? Never did when I lived there...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zebideedoodah (talk • contribs) 00:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure where Johnny Marr grew up but he went to St. John Plessington High School, which was in Wythenshawe. 80.47.134.191 (talk) 11:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous People

message: Whilst the article only says that 'Wythenshawe [..] is often referred to as the largest housing estate in Europe.', and thus is not technically contradicting this article, it might be nice if someone could clear up whether Wythenshawe or Becontree is the larger estate.  
As the claim for the latter is seemingly based on population, perhaps Wythenshawe is geographically larger, thus explaining the confusion.  I've never been to Becontree myself, but Wythenshawe isn't that densely populated, by comparison with tower block estates, so I can imagine it being spread over a larger area even if the respective populations are of the same order of magnitude.
--Benwilson528 23:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Largest...

message: If people know who Ryan Florence is and why he is known, then he is clearly a notable resident, and people should stop removing his name from the list. 80.47.112.27 19:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: People DONT know who he is. If you said that name, no one would know it, unless you said "oh he's the guy who made a gun gesture behind an MP a few months ago". It's not relevant at all, the noteable resident section is for famous well known people, and people of achievement, some chav in the background of a news report doesnt count. STOP re-adding it! TR 23:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Residents 

message: I'm wondering how accurate it is to describe Wythenshawe as a district. Surely the city of Manchester is the district and so Wythenshawe is a subset of that? From what I can gather, 'Wythenshawe' is the name given to a grouping of Manchester wards, where there was attempt to build a garden city south of Manchester. (See also here and here.) Any thoughts? Tong22 (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Only one thought, which is that Wythenshawe was indisputably planned as a garden town and as such is indisputably a district. Malleus Fatuorum 21:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

text: I've noticed your attempts elsewhere to merge districts with wards, such as with Ardwick, but I'm afraid that you're missing the point; wards are determined on the basis of population, not geography or history. Malleus Fatuorum 21:55, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wards are surely determined on the basis of geography as well? I can see quite clearly why people have opted for 'district', but I don't think that it's an accurate term, or more likely, it is the chosen term because there isn't a suitable alternative... Tong22 (talk) 23:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're quite clearly wrong. Wythenshawe was created as one of the first garden villages; that has nothing to do with present-day wards. Malleus Fatuorum 01:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That it was created as a garden village isn't up for dispute, what I'm saying is that the name Wythenshawe applies to a grouping of wards (or neighbourhoods...whichever one you fancy) in South Manchester and that I think that the term 'district' may not be accurate. I've already explained to you what my understanding is of districts in England, as I have linked above: either metropolitan, non-metropolitan (or unitary authority). Wythenshawe is neither, what with it falling within a metropolitan district already. I'm not going to pretend that I can convince you otherwise, because you almost seem a bit offended that I have a different opinion to you, but at least hear me out on what I think is quite an intriguing situation:
===Manchester City Council references===
Having skimmed through the ward co-ordination pages for Baguley, Brooklands, Northenden, Sharston and Woodhouse Park, you'll find that Wythenshawe isn't once referred to as a 'district.' In fact, the most you get is either 'area' or 'town' or 'suburb'. A quote from the Sharston page: "It is one of five wards that make up the area known as Wythenshawe..." The same page mentions the ward in question forming "part of the 
garden city design", whilst the Woodhouse Park page explicitly refers to the area as a "garden city". As for the 'town' references, well the Baguley and Brooklands pages refer to a 'Wythenshawe Town Centre' in an address at the foot of the page, whilst the others opt for just Wythenshawe, So there isn't a clear cut definition for it, even from the council. Incidentally, the ONS doesn't currently identify Wythenshawe as a settlement in its own right either on this map here or on this table here, contrary to any human perceptions. Call me rigid, but the ONS is the ultimate source on what constitutes a settlement in this country and that's what I'm going off. I hope all this will explain where I'm coming from. So I ask again, is there not a more accurate term for Wythenshawe? Tong22 (talk) 01:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm not in the slightest offended, but these distinctions are, I feel, doomed to failure. Take Stretford for instance, once a town, now a what? There's certainly a ward of that name today, but it represents only a fraction of what was the town. Malleus Fatuorum 01:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably still a town? I'm aware that ward boundaries overlap the physical boundaries of (small) settlements, not that defining the latter type of boundary is straightforward in the middle of a conurbation. I know that Bury town proper is split by two or three wards, and of course, the fair city of Manchester split by no less than 33. It seems that the refurbished centre of Wythenshawe is promoted as a 'town centre, so I'd be happy for the area to be referred to as a town within the city of Manchester, which I think perfectly honours its historical status as a garden city. My opposition remains with the term "district" however. Thoughts? Tong22 (talk) 10:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a tendency to take definitions of words quite narrowly. Dictionary.com defines a district (in British terms) as "a subdivision of a county or a town". In this sense, Wythenshawe is indeed a district, though it could also be called a "suburb" or just an "area", which would also be correct. A town is considered to be a populated area that is larger than a village but smaller than a city, but since Wythenshawe is already part of a city (Manchester) it would therefore be known as a district, suburb or area of that city. Places like Bolton and Bury are towns because they are not part of cities, nor are they big enough to be considered cities by themselves. Even though the centre of Wythenshawe may be called a "town centre" (previously known as the "civic centre") it doesn't strictly mean it is, anymore than the main shopping areas of Didsbury or Chorlton are "villages" despite the fact they are often called that. 88.104.27.54 (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You make some very valid points here. But whilst Manchester is a city, it is also a (metropolitan) district, but I suppose in common parlance, the term district can be considered an informal demarcation for a large (unofficial) subdivision of a large settlement- or sometimes for a small, specialist area. My problem on wikipedia really, is that the term seems to be used for a wide range of areas within a city. Take the former ward Benchill, which is described as a district of Manchester, "part of the massive Wythenshawe council estate." So thus far, we have a "district" (Benchill ward), within a "district" (Wythenshawe), within a (metropolitan) district (Manchester). I may well be being too rigid in my interpretation, but it's just that I see no official demarcation of subdivisions of Manchester as districts (as well). Tong22 (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Is Wythenshawe really a district?

message: Having skimmed through the ward co-ordination pages for Baguley, Brooklands, Northenden, Sharston and Woodhouse Park, you'll find that Wythenshawe isn't once referred to as a 'district.' In fact, the most you get is either 'area' or 'town' or 'suburb'. A quote from the Sharston page: "It is one of five wards that make up the area known as Wythenshawe..." The same page mentions the ward in question forming "part of the 
garden city design", whilst the Woodhouse Park page explicitly refers to the area as a "garden city". As for the 'town' references, well the Baguley and Brooklands pages refer to a 'Wythenshawe Town Centre' in an address at the foot of the page, whilst the others opt for just Wythenshawe, So there isn't a clear cut definition for it, even from the council. Incidentally, the ONS doesn't currently identify Wythenshawe as a settlement in its own right either on this map here or on this table here, contrary to any human perceptions. Call me rigid, but the ONS is the ultimate source on what constitutes a settlement in this country and that's what I'm going off. I hope all this will explain where I'm coming from. So I ask again, is there not a more accurate term for Wythenshawe? Tong22 (talk) 01:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not in the slightest offended, but these distinctions are, I feel, doomed to failure. Take Stretford for instance, once a town, now a what? There's certainly a ward of that name today, but it represents only a fraction of what was the town. Malleus Fatuorum 01:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably still a town? I'm aware that ward boundaries overlap the physical boundaries of (small) settlements, not that defining the latter type of boundary is straightforward in the middle of a conurbation. I know that Bury town proper is split by two or three wards, and of course, the fair city of Manchester split by no less than 33. It seems that the refurbished centre of Wythenshawe is promoted as a 'town centre, so I'd be happy for the area to be referred to as a town within the city of Manchester, which I think perfectly honours its historical status as a garden city. My opposition remains with the term "district" however. Thoughts? Tong22 (talk) 10:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a tendency to take definitions of words quite narrowly. Dictionary.com defines a district (in British terms) as "a subdivision of a county or a town". In this sense, Wythenshawe is indeed a district, though it could also be called a "suburb" or just an "area", which would also be correct. A town is considered to be a populated area that is larger than a village but smaller than a city, but since Wythenshawe is already part of a city (Manchester) it would therefore be known as a district, suburb or area of that city. Places like Bolton and Bury are towns because they are not part of cities, nor are they big enough to be considered cities by themselves. Even though the centre of Wythenshawe may be called a "town centre" (previously known as the "civic centre") it doesn't strictly mean it is, anymore than the main shopping areas of Didsbury or Chorlton are "villages" despite the fact they are often called that. 88.104.27.54 (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You make some very valid points here. But whilst Manchester is a city, it is also a (metropolitan) district, but I suppose in common parlance, the term district can be considered an informal demarcation for a large (unofficial) subdivision of a large settlement- or sometimes for a small, specialist area. My problem on wikipedia really, is that the term seems to be used for a wide range of areas within a city. Take the former ward Benchill, which is described as a district of Manchester, "part of the massive Wythenshawe council estate." So thus far, we have a "district" (Benchill ward), within a "district" (Wythenshawe), within a (metropolitan) district (Manchester). I may well be being too rigid in my interpretation, but it's just that I see no official demarcation of subdivisions of Manchester as districts (as well). Tong22 (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Manchester City Council references

message: I have removed the following links, none of which seem to meet the external links guideline.  Mr Stephen (talk) 17:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Were these simply used as external links or as sources? The New York Times is one of the most famous newspapers in the world. Manchester City Council's website should certainly be valid as an external link and as a source. 88.104.27.187 (talk) 01:31, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Junk 

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message: I have removed this:  as it was unsourced. If anyone (perhaps a local?) can substantiate it with a reliable source, it could be re-added. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:06, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced historical information