Talk:DynCorp

message: I reverted all of the unsourced claims and POV as per WP:V and WP:NPOV.⇒ SWATJester Ready  Aim  Fire! 02:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  unsourced 

message: I first heard about DynCorp in connection with the behavior of some of its employees working in the former Yugoslavia.  These individuals have been accused of trafficking in women and children for purposes of sexual slavery, but they have not been prosecuted under either local or U.S. law.  I'm surprised to find no mention of this scandal in the DynCorp article.  24.188.142.123 (talk) 13:45, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kosovo and Bosnia controversies 

message: In the first 3 minutes of an interview clip with Dean Haglund, Alex Jones mentioned being threatened by Dyncorp. Anyone heard of any details of this claim? ( see http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=dbbe325cb5e8a69110da4140b0b58f66.723835 ) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.214.27.173 (talk) 02:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dyncorp threats to radio host Alex Jones? 

message: Born2flie: There is no need to assume that this article is really about DynCorp. Instead it is about the controversies that exist regarding the company. This is my first article I've come across on the Wiki that clearly is not NPOV. --15:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a shitty article.  A very lazily put together article.  The criticisms should be rolled up into the history section.  And there should be more real content other than controversies.  But maybe this company is just filthy too?  lots of issues  | leave me a message 17:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: This article is not perfect - but if people are going to dispute its neutrality I think they should at least make concrete complaints here.  How can I make the article more neutral if I do not know the complaints of the people who are disputing its neutrality?  74.210.52.51 15:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One would assume it to be fair to remove the neutrality sticker --Jabbi 01:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I propose removing the NPOV on the grounds that the "controversies" surrounding DynCorp get more coverage and finding background and factual information about the company is not easy. Therefore the article isn't biased but there's simply more written on controversial missions/incidents than about what exactly DynCorp is/has been. --Jabbi 15:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality Disputed 

message: I have added a neutrality disputed tag to this article, the reasons follow below:
-Under controversies, the Colombia section contains several un-cited statements and figures that seem to be POV, specifically: "Indeed, the DynCorp personnel have a local reputation for being both arrogant and far too willing to get ‘wet,' going out on frequent combat missions and engaging in firefights." DynCorp has not responded to the allegation.[citation needed]"
As the above exerpt is taken from a book with a definite POV, I believe that it violates the POV policy of wikipedia.
Additionally: In addition to Human rights abuses, it is common for Dyncorp employees to frequent known houses of prostitution.[citation needed]
Is clearly an uncited POV statement, as it implies that A) Humand rights abuses are common practice from Dyncorp employees, and B) It is common for Dyncorp employees to hire prostitutes
The Iraq section of the article also contains some POV statements, most notably the quote from Brigadier General Karl Horst - (since when do active duty generals have anything good to say about contractors?)
--Bg10117 (talk) 18:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 2008 - Neutrality Tag Added 

message: User: Jrhamp has removed the neutrality tag, however the statements in violation of wikipedias NPOV policy are still in place.  I am re-adding the tag.  I would edit the article myself if I had time, unfortunately I do not.
I am willing to discuss the tag, if you disagree with it being tagged lets discuss the issues here. --Bg10117 (talk) 20:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  July 2008 - Neutrality Tag Re-Added 

message: The U.S. Patent No. 5911998 belongs to the National Institute of Health and DynCorp. It protects the Production of different Rotaviruses from Kidnes of the African Green Monkey. Please Read 
this for interesting facts about the Patent. There is also Information about the H1N1 included.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.85.169 (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That patent is about producing vaccines for a number of viruses, including several variants of Influenza A & B viruses (including A-H1N1 and A-H3N2) from a culture of green monkey kidney cells. It's not a particularly unusual form of vaccine production, using cell cultures of various animals as growth medium for the viruses. It has nothing to do with the recent H1N1 pandemic or virus, which I presume is the association that is trying to be made. H1N1 is the generic description of all Influenza A viruses which have a particular type of hemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins in the virus coating. See H1n1 article in this same wikipedia. H1N1 is a common combination for swine flus in general. I'll admit being puzzled as to why DynCorp owns part of the patent, but the patent as such is unremarkable. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 03:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Patent of H1N1 Production from Monkey Kidneys ? 

message: This article is absurd characterization of a great American company.The men and women who work for it are true patriots and the clear bias of the editorial content diminishes the value and legitimacy of Wikipedia.
:The old saying "the fish rots from the head" means that corruption begins at the top.  A business can have many, many employees of complete integrity and still behave in an unethical or illegal manner because of one or more greedy executives.  The best chance of improving this situation is to expose it, not to delete verified information from public view. Thundermaker (talk) 10:38, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dcpcall, you clearly have a major conflict of interest here. Perhaps you should refrain from making biased edits to the article and indeed censoring and blanking sections critical of the company. Wikipedia isn't censored, and we deal in referenced, sourced facts. The legitimacy of Wikipedia would be completely destroyed were its editors to pander your version of patriotism, and blindly venerate any person or company with ties to the US government. Please stop edit-warring, as your edits are clearly in violation of WP:CENSOR, among other tenets. KaySL (talk) 15:27, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The paragraph which seems to have triggered this tempest is clearly not neutral in tone, nor does it reflect the complexities listed in the Forbes article. The Forbes article describes two sides of a conflict, the paragraph reverted places the blame squarely on one side of the equation. This entire Wikipedia entire article has this problem, I don't see what was particularly beneficial about re-inserting what could be viewed as slanted interpretation of the article. If I re-word it to be somewhat less slanted, will it be allowed to stick? Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 23:15, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, true, and if it's rewritten then that would be great, but blanking the sections outright or replacing parts with even more NPOV sounding stuff as did happen is a bit much. KaySL (talk) 04:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Dcpcall]]

message: The edits today by Thomascomryn seem to have pulled out all stops on POV. Time to re-add the neutrality tag? Even for a complete outsider like myself, this seems to have shifted the article from biased to hatchet job.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarlneustaedter (talk • contribs) 05:47, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality tag time? 

message: I've read through the POV guidelines and I don't see how the most-recent changes make this article any less valuable than it was before. I aimed at making the article more coherent, intelligible, and better-sourced. I also did quite a bit of cleanup on the grammar, punctuation, taxonomy, and relevance.
All-told, I spent four hours on markup and proofing on this article; plus another two hours on research the subject. Is that qualification for a "hatchet job?"
Tom (talk) 19:37, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, I think your edits improved the article - particuarly changing it from being a massive list of "controversies" which is obviously POV, to a more neutral format. It would be great if there was more information available about the company in general, but similar to Trafigura, they probably only receive press coverage for negative information. A NPOV is to report in a balanced way on what RS have said about something, and I think the article is reasonable as it is. This came out yesterday, and should maybe be included in the article. SmartSE (talk) 12:05, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Revision 

message: This article suggests that "dancing" might be an overly conservative bowdlerization of the Bacha bazi practice, which apparently also can include sexual slavery. Perhaps the last section of the article should be modified to include the possibility of this rather more serious bombshell.--76.94.203.163 (talk) 02:48, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a reference for that? Do note that just because it's a talk page doesn't mean that unsubstantiated statements are allowed to stand. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 06:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

text: bacha bazis and bacha baz are illegal in afghanistan and always have been. however, the afghan security forces themselves are the ones who perpetrate this behaviour. 107.77.208.56 (talk) 10:08, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dancing Boys = Sexual Slavery? 

message: The mailing address as stated on the Dyncorp website is Falls Church, VA 22042.  According to USPS, the city name for that ZIP is Falls Church.  It is outside the incorporated city of [Falls Church, Virginia]], but only the US Census Bureau considers it Annandale.  It is adjacent to Falls Church High School, which is in the West Falls Church, Virginia CDP but also uses Falls Church as the city in its address.
Commuters using the Washington Beltway to go to the HQ would take the Arlington Boulevard exit, which is north of all Annandale exits.
Are CDPs important?  I suggest we drop Annandale.  Thundermaker (talk) 15:41, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  HQ location 

message: Is it just me or does this entire article seem to be HEAVILY biased against the company? Sure, there have been some recent issues, but WP:RECENTISM seems to apply in spades here. Buffs (talk) 23:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just you.  Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 03:50, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - the Controversies section seems to be exceptionally long, and the rest of the page is pretty sparse on details (particularly the History and Services section). I'm going to go through the article in the next few days and perform some cleanup. MountainMan11 (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's a common problem across this class of companies - some people feel a need to add such items, accuracy, relevancy or anything else being held as irrelevant. E.g., an item from today's Academi (nee Blackwater) talk: Academi#Too_Much_Left_Out . I lack the direct knowledge (and energy) to shovel out the sea, have merely attempted to filter the factually inaccurate items as they get added. Glad you're willing to do the spadework on the backlog. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 23:53, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I was dismayed to find that little criticism. In the public view, dyncorp is only known for it's continuing scandals, so WP:dueweight calls for MORE on these scandals. By all means, add published success stories enabled by Dyncorp - there are none. It is for a reason that the positive parts of the article do not go into more detail than "we supply and support". DynCorp does the shady (and if it was done right, also the very difficult) business not even the military can do or wants to. Whereever money is to be made, DynCorp sends its thugs the military no longer wants. The criminal behaviour of at least some is enabled by the silence and looking away of the rest - and management. "DynCorp International provides aviation support to reduce the flow of illicit drugs" sounds great but equals spraying poisonous pesticides on civilians in a way not even Monsanto would get away with. How competent Dyncorp is in their field is the next success story: Look at the mess the Dyncorp-trained police forces of Iraq and Afghanistan are! Come forward, dyncorp police trainer, tell us about your qualifications, your pay, tell us why you fail! --92.202.111.11 (talk) 14:25, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Seems anti-DynCorp

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message: Article's revenue and other business information is over a half decade old, as are most sources appearing in the article. The infobox information on products is far too long, and from company-published sources only. (Infoboxes should summarise sourced content in the article, and not introduce more detailed information.) In general, the article misses the point, in large part for old over-detailed information, no capture of recent trajectory of the sector and business, and poor summary of all of it. Perhaps title should be changed to "History of…", and all material since in this half decade, since 2012 (a paragraph at best), should become a new article. Leprof 7272 (talk) 18:48, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dated information, overwritten infobox 

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Meanwhile, finding whole sentences plagiarised from a high profile article such as the NYT obit casts a shadow over earlier editor's understanding, here, of proper practice with regard to use of source material in this article. Editors need to approach the rest of the article's text and sources, as of this date stamp, with suspicion; it needs a further top-to-bottom review of text and sources for plagiarism (and more generally, the proper representation of source content). Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 22:18, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: Trump Finds Reason for the U.S. to Remain in Afghanistan: Minerals https://nyti.ms/2tI5ozD
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message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DynCorp#Trump_administration_lobbying
What value does this section add? They attempted to lobby to be petty about a contract? This section should be updated with current post-Trump resolution if the lobbying was at all received, and what the controversy even is about the lobbying. As someone not well-learned about corporate politics and assuming all companies do this, this seems unnoteworthy. --Horizons_1 17:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I am pinging User:Snooganssnoogans on this matter, given they appear to be the only editor to contribute to this section. The editor's user page may potentially indicate that bias against the Trump administration was involved in the decision to include this section. --Horizons_1 18:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Seems like relevant history of the company that it lobbied the administration to undo the actions of the previous administration and to harm competitors. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:15, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Trump administration lobbying" 

message: I was just adding references in History § DynCorp and expansion (1987–2003) and noticed that the opening paragraph includes the first mention and seemingly out-of-place information on then-president/CEO Daniel R. Bannister:
To the extent other editors believe Bannister should be extensively noted in this article, what do you all think of moving the information in the last sentence above ("Bannister, as T. Rees Shapiro...") to the previous subsection, Dynalectron (1962–1987), as part of a paragraph specific to his becoming CEO? – spida-tarbell ❀ (talk) (contribs) 01:11, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
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