Talk:Dutch angle

message: What are the origins of the expression? Why 'dutch'?
--Unclevortex 11:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins

message: It is in fact quite difficult to understand this article without a sample picture.
--Philopedia 12:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nearly 2013! Currently no illustration! Rather a necessity for this article. 94.193.126.239 (talk) 16:22, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Example, please! 

message: Terry Gilliam has often used Dutch angles in his films, including The Fisher King, Twelve Monkeys, and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, representing madness, disorientation from time travel, and drug psychosis respectively.
In the Twelve Monkeys you don't really know if it's disonrientarion from time travel or madness... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.5.136.36 (talk) 04:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler? 

message: The Batman (TV series) used tilted camera angles a lot, especially when they were fighting in the lair of one of the villians. AnonMoos 21:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like some proof (citation needed?) that the angle sometimes actually is called "Batman angle", and if the example you gave is the reason for it. seriema 14:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Batman TV show

message: "The 1949 film The Third Man makes extensive use of Dutch angle shots, to emphasize the main character's alienation in a foreign environment (and perhaps as a homage to co-star Orson Welles's own heavy use of unusual angles as a director)."
Unless anybody can offer evidence that the Dutch tilts in The Third Man are  a tribute to Welles, I'm going to delete the parenthetical comment.  Of all the techniques Welles used, Dutch tilts aren't typical, at least not before The Third Man.  Reed, on the other hand, used them frequently throughout his career, before and after The Third Man.  Amolad 23:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say go for it. Uncited phrases like that are essentially OR. Girolamo Savonarola 05:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Third Man 

message: "Dutch angles are frequently used by film directors who have a background in the visual arts, such as Tim Burton (in The Nightmare Before Christmas, and Ed Wood), and...."
Henry Selick directed The Nightmare Before Christmas, this sentence suggests it was Tim Burton.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.176.234 (talk) 22:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Nightmare Before Christmas 

message: The word "tilt" is used by a camera crew to refer to tilting the cameral up or down, like nodding your head. "Roll" is what a dutch angle is, NOT "tilt". The camera rolls off to the side, so that the horizon is not quite horizontal. That is the correct terminology, AFAIK. (I'm a VFX guy, not a camera operator). Problem is, "roll" may be confusing to the general public. So do we use correct terminology or dumb it down for the masses?  Since this is an encyclopedic article about cinematography, I say use correct terminology. "Roll" vs "Tilt".
24.211.96.160 (talk) 01:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Tilt" vs. "Roll"

message: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=myspace%20angle Is it an example? Another commonplace usage for this technique, not associated with insanity. Lormus (talk) 14:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Myspace angle" 

message: Not sure I know enough about this subject, but is there a constructivism or Alexander Rodchenko needed somewhere here?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Da5nsy (talk • contribs) 19:31, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constructivism? 

message: There is some early use of Dutch angles in The Passion of Joan of Arc 1928 silent film. Occurs at the 24min mark.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.101.143.199 (talk) 14:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passion of Joan of Arc 

message: Even though she's lying at an angle, the Monroe picture is *NOT* a Dutch angle shot, as the horizon is still horizontal. It's not defined by whether there's any angle in the picture, but by tilting the camera to the side so that the horizon is not horizontal anymore. In terms of shot terminology, the Monroe picture is a high-angle shot, not a Dutch angle. --2003:56:6D1B:C626:6D91:5A6E:8D2C:BBBE (talk) 19:42, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monroe shot 

message: In the fair-use rationale for why Battlefield_earth_planetship.jpg is being used at dutch angle: "No free equivalent exists that would effectively identify the article's subject". I find it hard to believe that there's no free picture, as good as this one, that depicts a dutch angle.—msh210℠ 21:30, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  use of Battlefield_earth_planetship.jpg 

message: Except Dutch and Deutsch have the same origin. Hence, the words are related. Renard Migrant (talk) 14:22, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The words themselves (and many others across several languages), are ultimately related; but the term "Dutch angle" is not called "Dutch" because it was invented by Dutchmen or is closely associated with Dutch film techniques. Vlaemink (talk) 11:15, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is not related to the Dutch people or language 

message: Following a revert of my edit adding "disambiguation need tags to Dutch wife and Double Dutch I was asked in an edit summary to elaborate here. Each term links to a disambiguation page. I presume from the text in brackets that Dutch wife should link to Sex doll, but we don't seem to have an article on gibberish on Double Dutch. They can be piped but need to link to an appropriate article so the reader gets to the relevant article for more information.— Rod talk 11:18, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation links 

message: I boldly removed the paragraph saying the meaning comes from "Dutch as pejorative" and replaced it with one (with reference) saying it comes from German as the popularisers of the technique, which is the origin given at the Oxford English Dictionary.  If there's an authorative film history which says otherwise, we should add it, with some kind of "origin is disputed" or similar wording.
In any case the paragraph about the origins was too long and irrelevant.  The "pejorative Dutch from 17th century" meaning of "Dutch" is certainly real and interesting, but it doesn't seem to belong here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.3.149 (talk) 10:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins according to the OED