Talk:Andrew Bartlett

message: I am concerned the article does not sufficiently emphasize the one thing the Senator seems to be well known for. Please discuss, should it be in the first paragraph for example. I think it probably should.
 Coqsportif Honolulu Hawaii
Coqsportif 06:04, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bartlett's assault on female Senate colleaue

message: I’m relatively new to wikipedia so someone feel free to correct me but isn’t something that claims to be an encyclopedia meant to at least try to be accurate?
The section on Senator Bartlett’s Leadership of the Democrats seems to me to be pretty biased and one-sided - quite apart from the fact that it contains inaccurate and unsubstantiated assertions which are presented as fact, and that the entry almost entirely ignores Bartlett's entire record as Leader and focuses instead on reinforcing the distortions of a single tabloid media incident. 
For example:
It quotes Woodley as saying Bartlett is an alcoholic - without any reference.  All I ever saw in the media at that time from Woodley was that he said that some people had concerns about Bartlett’s drinking. 
The suggestion that Bartlett seemed to confirm he is an alcoholic is incorrect - he quite specifically did not.  He did say he had some heath problems which were made worse by drinking alcohol.  It’s a very different thing.
Bartlett did not stand down from the Leadership he stood aside and took leave for a month.
Bartlett never confirmed Ferris’s allegations – not denying something is not a confirmation – it’s a decision to not get into the argument. 
He had not been drinking at a Democrats Christmas party before being invited to join the Liberal Party event. The Democrats function was the evening before.
If you look at these recent entries on his blog it is very apparent he does not confirm Ferris’s allegations.
August 31
http://andrewbartlettonline.blogspot.com/2005/08/john-brogden.html
“I remember in my own circumstance when I was copping a lot of criticism over allegations about my behaviour, some people who had seen the alleged ‘incident’ contacted me to commiserate at how distorted and exaggerated the public portrayal of it was. However, I appreciate that it was impractical to expect them to say so publicly, given the politics of the situation.”
August 28
http://andrewbartlettonline.blogspot.com/2005/08/press-gallery-journalists-face-jail.html
“Some people may see it as ironic that I would defend Harvey and McManus in regard to receiving leaked information, as they were key writers of the front page story in the Herald Sun in December 2003 which contained leaked allegations about an argument I had with Liberal Senator Jeannie Ferris. That story was damaging to the Democrats and very hurtful for my family, (as the person who composed and planted the allegations knew it would be), but I can't really blame the journalists for that. Although the story contained some exaggerations, they basically just reported the allegations they were given, which were framed specifically so it would cause damage when leaked .”
And from this speech to the senate
August 16 2005 (Australian Hansard page no 86)
http://parlinfoweb.aph.gov.au/piweb/view_document.aspx?ID=2233037&TABLE=HANSARDS&TARGET=
“From personal experience I can see why some people do not give unconditional apologies. I recall doing something once that somebody took offence to, so I thought the appropriate thing to do was to apologise unconditionally. That was then taken as open season by everybody as being a clear admission of guilt for whatever farcical allegation anybody wanted to make for the next week. I had to enjoy the pleasures of considerable media attention outside my fence for a solid week, and my wife and child also had to cope with that for a week. Of course, the person who leaked that information knew that is what would happen, because they told me that is what would happen before they decided to leak it. 
The fact is that if somebody indicates that they have taken offence to something and that is what occurs—somebody stands up, takes a point of order and says, ‘I object to that’—then I think the appropriate thing to do is to apologise. I do not think it is necessary to go into all the context surrounding it. I did not do that in that case, either. I did not talk about the things that were said to me or the context as to why I might take offence. That did not stop the Prime Minister criticising and saying, ‘The facts speak for themselves,’ even though he did not know what the facts were, or stop the Labor Premier of Queensland calling on me to resign, even though he did not know what the facts were. A whole lot of other people passed comment, including some members of my own party, none of whom ever asked me for my side of the story.” 
I think it shows an extraordinary bias to include a long quote from Ferris while there is nothing from Bartlett himself, especially as it’s very clear from the statement above that there was much more to the exchange than Ferris claims.
I attempted to correct these things previously but the page has been changed back again.  I hadn’t registered as a member at that time but have done so now.
Flora --Flora Morton 12:48, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is inaccurate 

message: I'm not sure that this article really needs to include an ever-growing list of blogging politicians and cats. Perhaps we can put them into their own cat, and stick to the subject of the article. --Jumbo 05:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politicians who blog 

message: Are you sure the info here is true?  Timmy12 20:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  You have negative stuff about a living person that is uncited 

message: We have a clearly biased contributor who insists on using Wikipedia as a means of crass promotion for a forthcoming election campaign, despite the fact that only perhaps 1% of readers are remotely interested in the election, let alone in the prospects of a player who has no chance at all of being re-elected. Please desist from this nonsense or the emphasis may need to be switched to how much of the rest of the Bartlett article can be justified on informational grounds. --Bjenks 12:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election campaign "news" 

message: I reverted some recent edits by IP 139.130.39.54 regarding Bartlett's drunken episode. Reasons for the revert: I disagreed that a reliable reference (The Age) was removed; some of the changes varied from the reference (ie apology to Ferris was changed to "public apology"); added info about Meg Lees seat seemed irrelevant compared to the party's overall popularity.--Lester 02:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert of drunken episode changes 

message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. 
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
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