Talk:Family Radio

message: Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which should rely on sourced information, uncited rumors about radio stations leaving family radio is most likely Original research. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 06:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio station  rumors 

message: Of all the pages I have seen on wikipedia this is by far one of the worst. I appreciate that Family Radio has controversy surrounding and that it may be impossible to create an unbiased page regarding it, but this is ridiculous. The narrative of the article switches back and forth between first and third person; and then the author will debate doctrine and point out how certain biblical scripture opposes Harold Camping's on-air statements. This sort of thing should not be included in the article. The article should simply provide what Family Radio is and what they do and say. It is important to include a "controversy" section of the article. It is in this section that controversial topics should be addressed and the opinions of Family Radio's critics should either be mentioned or at least linked to. I will begin to clean up this article to make it more unbiased.
sabbetius 04:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Page Needs Serious Work 

message: It has been proposed that all station specific articles for Family Radio stations be merged into Family Radio.   Stations which provide no local programming or other content and carry nothing but network provided programming lack sufficient notability to warrant an article.  However, any station that does provide sufficient local programming or has a history (such as ownership changes) which warrants coverage, should not be merged.  See WP:WPRS for more information.  Any opinions, additional information on these stations or suggestions would be appreciated.--Rtphokie (talk) 16:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but I also suggest this proposal for other network controlled stations such as the Movin' brand as well as Radio Disney, for the same reasons provided. But if we were to do that, we will then need a list of stations which simulcast Family Radio programming.  --wL<speak·check> 00:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest not to merge stations which have a unique history unrelated to their status as a network outlet, or have a history unique to their location. For example, KEAR San Francisco has a very unique history in San Francisco, having moved around the FM dial for a while and now broadcasting on the frequency of legendary AM station KFRC. Or KFRN Los Angeles, which has the unique status of being, as KFOX, the first country music station in the Los Angeles area. And nearly all of the "Movin'" and Radio Disney outlets have significant and substantial histories before they acquired their current formats and network affiliations. Also, "Movin'" is a brand, not a network—the stations are all programmed locally, have their own local DJ's, etc. DHowell (talk) 00:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Strongly disagree.  Whenever you have done this in the past, the station detail is lost. As stated in WP:WPRS "The scope of this project is predominantly articles about individual radio stations" not networks.  If I want technical detail about KDFR, for example, I don't want a redirect to Family Radio. Each station has unique characteristics: location, coverage, power or ERP, HAAT, history, etc that disappear on a merge or redirect. Moline670 (talk) 17:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge proposal 

message: History section removed: contained mostly unsubstantiated information and personal biographical information not relevant to Family Radio as an organization. Lacking unbiased, factual/encyclopedic Family Radio historical information, this section should not be included.
History section removed: contained mostly unsubstantiated information and personal biographical information not relevant to Family Radio as an organization. Lacking unbiased, factual/encyclopedic Family Radio historical information, this section should not be included.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.199.98.17 (talk) 23:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: According to Wiki: "Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. The most common types of vandalism include the addition of obscenities or crude humor, page blanking, or the insertion of nonsense into articles.
Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not considered vandalism. For example, adding a personal opinion to an article once is not vandalism — it's just not helpful, and should be removed or restated. Not all vandalism is obvious, nor are all massive or controversial changes vandalism. Careful attention needs to be given to whether changes made are beneficial, detrimental but well intended, or outright vandalism." 
As by defintion above, removal of the history section of this site does not qualify as "vandalism." The contents of this section could very well be fictional in the absence of references substantiating the claims. As a fact, information (easily gathered regarding Harold Camping personal biographical history), conflicts with the claim he is a proponent of the Modern ("New")version of the King James Bible. Evidence gathered from Family Radio ( a proof link removed by others) contradicts the claim presented in this section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.193.216.163 (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Verifiable vs True

message: Please check the recent edits made by the 76.xxx.xxx.xxx users (I believe they are the same person being given a different IP address each session). Mainly to check the neutrality of the article isn't being compromised by someone close to the station. Rapido (talk) 09:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If other Wikipedians can check all the numerous edits for the unregistered user 76.xxx.xxx.xxx "with a fine toothcomb", it would be most appreciated. Rapido (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure you know how the internet works there buddy. 110.175.53.215 (talk) 12:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Registered users 

message: While this article has a list of low-powered translarors, it lacks a list of full-powered stations -- can someone provide? -- azumanga (talk) 16:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition, the translators should be grouped by their respective originating stations.  The translators are part of a hierarchy; the network sends programming to the stations, which in turn send their signals to the translators.  As such the translators should be connected in the text to the stations from which they receive their signals.  Normally, I think, this is typically done from the WP page on each individual station, not the network's page.  (I might add that every single USA radio station should have its own page, instead of a redirect to the network, since under USA broadcasting rules each station serves a local purpose and is not just a piece of some far-off network broadcaster's puzzle.) Michael Patrick (talk) 17:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full-powered stations 

message: I don't know why my change to "heretical" got reverted. Virtually every mainstream Christian will agree that Family Radio teaches heresy and thus is heretical.General Mung Beans 2 (talk) 01:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Radio Teaches Heresy 

message: With due respect to user Sednalm, I have removed a large amount of new material from "Teachings and Comments".  Please consider my reasons before restoring it or making further edits:
This is an article on Family Radio.  The article is not a place for discussion, critique and rebuttal.  (Neither is the talk page, but that's another story).  There are differences of opinion on the correct interpretation of Scriptures.  Thus any particular interpretation cannot be included within the NPOV policy of Wikipedia unless the holder of the opinion is apropos to the subject of the article.  If any arguments or rebuttals to the teachings of Family Radio become culturally significant to the degree that they warrant mention in a Wikipedia article, I would suggest that they be summarized in a new section, and include references to which public figures are making those arguments.  Otherwise there are numerous internet forums and blogs devoted specifically to the teachings of Family Radio which are a more appopriate venue for comment.  Phildonnia (talk) 22:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editorial comments removed 

message: The claim that Family Radio will shut down on May 21, 2011 is unsourced, and, as near as I can tell, unfounded. I'm removing it; please feel free to source it and re-insert it if in fact it is true. It would seem to me that, an organization that had failed to predict the End several times before, would have a contingency plan in place for when we all wake up on May 22 and are still here. Either way, the statement appears to be totally unsourced; in fact, I came across a very interesting source that seems to say otherwise. http://eaec.org/bibleanswers/Harold-Camping-Contingency-Plan.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsharpminor (talk • contribs) 06:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Radio will shut down? 

message: Can somebody please elaborate on what the following passage means?:
"Camping now teaches that The Cross was just a demonstration of what had already happened before the foundation of the world".
That's pretty much the way Mr Camping puts it. What he means is this: Historically, Christians have understood the event of Christ's crucifixion ('the Cross') as being the event in which God accomplished various things such as paying the price for sins. The understanding being promoted by Mr Camping is that God had actually accomplished all of these things already, prior to the creation of the world, and that the 'the Cross' merely demonstrated and affirmed to believers that these things were accomplished. For various reasons, this understanding requires a fundamentally different interpretation of scripture in many places, and I suspect that many Christians would regard it as heretical. The present supporters of May 21 will soon learn that they were wrong, but that won't automatically mean they will reject the 'demonstration' teaching and revert to the understanding that most Christians have - therefore, it could be hard for Camping follows to re-integrate into churches in future, so I suspect there could eventually remain an identifiable group, similar to the 7th Day Adventists following the Great Disappointment, who no longer believe in the original prediction but have retained their own distinctive understandings of scripture. --Poglad (talk) 11:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi! Not-understandable... 

message: a lot of good semi protection has done here, the page has been defaced.
This kind of vandalism and the inability of concerned people to fix it are why wikipedia is frequently scorned as flawed.
The entire first paragraph of this page is defaced.   
68.202.138.45 (talk) 15:48, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What is wrong with the first paragraph?--Breawycker (talk to me!)  15:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing to fix--Jac16888 Talk 20:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 68.202.138.45, 21 May 2011 

message: that this page include that they were wrong about the end of the world
66.56.156.8 (talk) 12:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.--Breawycker (talk to me!)  15:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I added the following sentence into the history section, perhaps it sufficiently resolves your request: "Leading up to May 2011, Family Radio spent millions of dollars to advertise the ultimately fallacious 2011 end times prediction." Mrtea (talk) 21:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

text: (ec)Given the amount of media interest I will put in a note about the Camping's 2011 end times prediction. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 66.56.156.8, 22 May 2011 

message: On 23 May, the Family Radio website was updated to a new design that makes no mention of the previous predictions. I find this fascinating. The design is a complete reworking of the appearance of the site: unless this was accomplished in two days, I wonder if this is a hasty reversion to an old design, or was work on this already in progress prior to the predicted Rapture date? -- Chronulator (talk) 10:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website redesign 

message: The old website is still available typing the original home page to which the web address was directed. It is http://familyradio.com/index2.html
To "honour the truth" It might be useful to link to the old home page for reference purposes. This html file may be deleted soon. Afterwards a Google Cache link can be used, depending on the traffic, this cache website might even stay online available much longer than the Family Radio owners wish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.11.66 (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: archived copies are also available at archive.org.  For example http://web.archive.org/web/20101023040240/http://www.familyradio.com//  --Nowa (talk) 00:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original website was hidden but is still available 

message: Just wanted to leave a note here to clarify my recent edits to the list of affiliate stations. 
Originally, the list was formatted using the  template, with the individual call signs wikified in square brackets — but due to the structure of the template, formatting it that way broke the templates' links to the FCC database. Then earlier today, another user unwikified the call signs, but then changed the template to apply wikification to the call signs on that end — which in turn resulted in a lot of other articles displaying unnecessary recursive redirects back to themselves, because normally translator stations don't have their own independent articles on Wikipedia, but instead their call signs are just redirects to the network or parent station that actually provides their programming (meaning that in most cases, wikifying call signs at the template level just results in redirects right back to the article the template is on in the first place.)
Accordingly, please be aware that in its current format, the translators template is not appropriate for use on pages where you want some or all of the call signs to link to separate articles. I've consequently reformatted the list of primary affiliate stations as a coded table instead of a prefab template, while leaving the "W123AB"-format translator lists in the existing templates — and in the primary table, I've wikified only those stations which have separate articles, while not wikifying the ones whose call signs are just redirects back to this article. 
If somebody who's familiar with complex template coding wants to reformat  to include an optional "wikify the call sign" switch, then by all means feel free to do that — but until that's actually been done, it's simply not the correct template to use if you actually want some or all of the call signs to be wikified right now. Bearcat (talk) 22:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Station list 

message: Under West Coast Translators, the wrong station for Phoenix, AZ, is listed.  90.3 FM is Family Life Radio, which is not associated with Family Radio.  Here is my reference  88.3 FM (call sign KPHF) should be listed instead. another reference
Diresu351 (talk) 00:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong station listed 

message: Why was the Washington D.C. station removed? It is still owned by Family Radio but operated under a LMA (Local Marketing Agreement) with CBS Radio until the sale to CBS is completed. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 03:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington D.C. Station 

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message: Can anyone provide a reliable source that the headquarters have actually made the move to Nashville? We have evidence that the move was planned, bu that is not the same as showing that it actually happened. Teh company's own web page https://www.familyradio.org/ still lists Oakland as their address. Meters (talk) 23:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Nashville