Talk:Faddan More Psalter

message: Why does Psalm 83 in the Latin manuscript correspond to the modern day Psalm 84?  --70.18.248.120 23:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Protestant numbering system and the Catholic one differ by one through much of the Psalter.  Perhaps that's what the writer is referring to...Miraculouschaos 23:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. See Psalms#Composition_of_the_Book_of_Psalms. The Hebrew numbering is the most common today (universal among Protestants and spreading to Catholics), but the Vulgate was numbered with the Greek numbering. --Geoffrey 23:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd figure those Christians living 1,200 years ago were also Catholics, and thus were using the same numbering Catholics use today. 24.168.57.47 04:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither Protestant nor Catholic, Irish Christians of 1,200 years ago belonged to the Celtic church which differed from other Christians on such matters as the date of Easter, tonsure for monks, etc. I don't know how they would have numbered the psalms though. -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 1200 years ago, most Christians belonged to a single Church, whose main centers were Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem.  Irish Christians were definitely not Protestants in the 9th century, but there was not a separate "Celtic church" as distinct, say, from what was going on in Rome.  Variations such as you mention were fairly common throughout Christendom and particularly more pronounced in the British Isles, which had influence from Egyptian monasticism via St. Martin of Tours.  In most ways, though, church life in Ireland would have resembled church life in Rome far more than, for instance, church life in Antioch.  In any event, the numbering of the Psalms was pretty universal then, too, as Martin Luther had not yet arrived on the scene to revise the Biblical canon.  (There was some variation between the Latin West and the Greek East in this regard, but nothing that was a cause of division.)  —Preost talk contribs 12:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Psalm numbering

message: Who estimated the book to have been in the bog for 1200 years? The article claims vallem but the only know vellum documents are from late 13th century.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.28.25 (talk • contribs) 
To answer your enquiries-
*I presume the National Museum of Ireland made an estimate of how long it had been in a bog as 1000-1200 years was quoted in their own press release . 
*Vellum has been around a lot longer than since the 13th century (unless you meant 13th century BCE!). A couple of medieval Irish documents include Codex Usserianus Primus, Cathach of St. Columba and Book of Kells.
Hope that helps. Afn 12:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Date estimates

message: Why the reference to the Rylands Library Papyrus ? StefanoC 13:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: FYI, I have called and emailed Dr. Meehan to ask for cooperation in obtaining free images of the work.  So far the only photos I have seen online were AP images (copyrighted, natch), and I would love to have proper images of the work when they are available.  Dr. Meehan, if you are looking at this, I'm happy to speak with you through the Foundation offices, or by checking my userpage and emailing me.--Brad Patrick 20:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr. Bernard Meehan

message: ASDamick, the numbering in question is also used in the New American Bible.  That Bible is used in both the catechism and liturgy of the Roman Catholic church.  Please use the inclusive term 'Christian.'  Wikipedia (especially Ireland-related topics on Wikipedia) has enough battlegrounds over this kind of thing, let's not make this another one.Dppowell 22:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with that.  My only concern is that there is given the appearance that all Christians have only one numbering system for the Psalms, whereas the majority actually have a different one.  The article as it now stands has cleared up that issue.  —Preost talk contribs 00:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Protestant' vs. 'Christian' bibles

message: The Current Events Barnstar
		Thanks to the editors whose contributions led to the section on Misreported prophecy. I first learned of the discovery of the psalter in an Associated Press release published several days ago by CNN here.  When I saw the story mentioned in the current events highlights section,  I followed the link here, and was astonished to discover the misunderstanding captured in the "Misreported prophecy" section.  In the three years I've contributed to Wikipedia, this is the first time where Wikipedia has helped me correct a misunderstanding caused by something wrongly reported in a mainstream news source.
Thanks.  :-) 66.167.137.3 05:51, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks for the "Misreported prophecy" section... 

message: Can anyone find out where in the Midlands it was found?--217.16.87.168 09:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that this is being kept quite, to discourage treasure-seekers ClemMcGann 13:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see, but they could at least mention the county - unless this itself is going to identify the bog field it was unearthed in.--217.16.87.168 08:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well now we know. - the townland of Faddan More in north Tipperary, ClemMcGann 09:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where? 

message: Has the psalter been verified as real? I realise that the first line states that it is "...yet to be formally identified, named or dated..." but as yet there seems to be no question as to its authenticity. I'm astounded from the pictures (eg this one) that someone with a bulldozer would have even seen it, let alone realised it was potentially valuable rather than any old paper. Looking deeper, the LA times article states that he was using a backhoe, not a bulldozer. There's quite a difference between the two; which is right? this edit seems utterly wrong; a bulldozer is a large powered machine, a backhoe is a handheld tool, and spotting this with a backhoe is far more realistic than with a bulldozer, so I'm changing that. It makes the question a little less necessary - but that verification of authenticity would be nice! --Firien § 12:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone who could hold a backhoe in his hands would be a superman.  —Preost talk contribs 13:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Who knows?  The news is reporting it this way, though.  The Daily Mail article, for instance, makes reference to a "digger driver" seeing the book, "just moments before he bulldozed the surrounding soil."  Whether we find it believable or not, this is what the sources say.  —Preost talk contribs 14:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm such a skeptic... ;) --Firien § 15:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also concerned--in a recent NPR interview, the consulted "expert" brushed off the question of authenticity saying "we know it's the genuine article, so there is no question of authenticity".  Obviously, simply putting our concerns into the article would be original research, but surely _someone_ has discussed it in an interview...  216.52.69.217 17:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that it was the mechanical digging arm attached to the rear of a JCB ClemMcGann 19:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verified? 

message: It appears there's a copyright violation at the end of the Discovery section. The text appears to be word for word from the 1st reference article. I'd work on re-wording it myself, but I admit I'm not very good at that. Siradia 00:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Got it.  —Preost talk contribs 01:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio 

message: Can anyone confirm or deny the existence of a "Healing Prayer" associated with the psalms of the Faddan More Psalter? Obviously, any story that is found in The Sun (US tabloid) has to be taken with several grains of salt, but enough details about the psalter got reported correctly that I wonder if there was any truth to the other half of the article's story.
The prayer's text reads Thy power and craft is (sic) good dear God. Thy herbs and green things do strengthen the weak, thy songs are balm for the wounded and weary. With hyssop and rosemary, thou cleanseth (sic) our eyes and mouth. Our soul sings in want of thy pure medicines. The article says the prayer itself was written in Gaelic (what we'd now call Old Irish) rather than the Latin of the psalms. Elemtilas (talk) 20:20, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds dubious to me (it's not an extract from any Psalm is it?).  There's nothing about any extra texts at this page. Johnbod (talk) 04:44, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Healing Prayer Associated with the Psalter 

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