Talk:Paul Stanley

message: And Stanley wore his "Bandit" makeup for 2 shows and one photo session. That can be seen in many photo galleries.
77.123.207.115 (talk) 12:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative makeup 

message: "Stanley says as a younger child he enjoyed watching hours of endless TV cartoons" - What kid doesn't?  is this really something that needs to be in the article?  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 16:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Can we find a good cite for Paul Stanley's Jewish roots?ThuranX 02:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judaism 

message: Added a guitarist infobox to the article. Stanley's career spans beyond the label "guitarist". In this case perhaps a musician infobox might be better suited. If there is concensus to switch then, by all means, substitute for the other. Anger22 01:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitarist infobox 

message: it was almost completely cut off and substituted with insults and stupid blabbering. It is the first time I edit wikipedia without intent of vandalism in a long time, lol.213.140.22.68 (talk) 22:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: The article says that Paul played the Phantom in 2007, but that's not true, he played that in 1999.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.54.70 (talk) 06:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phantom 

message: Why does nobody mention Paul had a completely alternative makeup in 1973 - the Bandite one?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.123.207.115 (talk) 14:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative makeup 

message: Stanley's infobox currently includes drums and bass.  I do not believe that the purpose of the infobox is to include every instrument an artist ever picked up, but to include instruments that an artist is known for and/or plays regularly.  IMO Stanley's infobox should only include guitar and vocals.  If you disagree please bring up here before changing the infobox. -J04n (talk) 12:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are 100% correct to change the box to only list what he is known for, not what he dabbled with. Fair Deal (talk) 13:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox instruments 

message: The infobox listed Paul's "voice type" as baritone and it had a  tag on it, it was changed to tenor with the  tag still there.  I have no idea what voice type he or anyone else has (except I guess the Three Tenors, and I can only think of two of them) but I really think it is irrelevant in this case, so I removed it and don't think it should be put back with a reference. J04n(talk page) 09:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article simly refers to a "wide-range".  I think tenor is most likely. http://talkingbroadway.org/regional/toronto/t9.html Thedarxide (talk) 10:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool article, this should be incorporated into Paul's article.  However, my point is that I'm not sure "voice type" is relevant for pop/rock singers. J04n(talk page) 12:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice type 

message: The sentence about "resuming his association with Washburn Guitars" (2006) makes no sense because there is no prior reference to any association with this entity.  I don't know anything about this particular topic; if someone can add to this (when was the original association, and what benefits did each party get from the association?) it may be more useful.  If nobody knows any more about it, perhaps it should be deleted -- if there was no real effect on either Stanley or Washburn Guitars then the "association" becomes irrelevant. 
Tigger-ibby (talk) 09:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Association with Washburn Guitars? 

message: The Bandit makeup was not Paul's original makeup.  is fairly clear on this...an early version of the Starchild shows up first. I don't have a book source in front of me at the moment, but I believe the change was made at Neil Bogart's request. Paul only used it for about 2 shows and at least 1 photo session. Can someone verify & make the change in this article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mezzo71 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bandit Makeup 

message: I've no problem with mentioning his hobbies, but do we have any evidence that his painting is of any importance? I certainly don't think of him as a painter, and the inclusion of this in the opening paragraph is questionable.
EmbarrassmentOfRich's (talk) 06:20, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painting 

message: Stanley's birth name has been reported to be "Stanley Harvey Eisen" in multiple sources, and "Stanley Bert Eisen" in Stanley's 2014 autobiography. Usually, "Bert" is a nickname, which is why I settled on "Stanley Harvey 'Bert' Eisen" in this edit. 
 changed it to Bert in this edit. Before that, an IP address from New York City changed it to Bert in this edit on April 8, just after the new book came out.
*The 2014 book says "I was born Stanley Bert Eisen on January 20, 1952." The name "Harvey" does not appear at all.
*We don't typically take IMDb or the Daily Mail as reliable sources for biographies of living persons, but both of them tell us that Stanley's birth name was "Stanley Harvey Eisen".
*In a Google search concentrating on pre-2003 sources (pre-Wikipedia), there are lots of self-published websites telling us that Stanley's birth name was "Stanley Harvey Eisen". The same search performed on the middle name "Bert" yields zero results.
*The 2006 book The Heebie-jeebies at CBGB's: A Secret History of Jewish Punk says that Stanley's birth name was "Stanley Harvey Eisen".
*The 2004 book Rock Formations: Categorical Answers to How Band Names Were Formed says that Stanley's birth name was "Stanley Harvey Eisen".
*The very first version of our Wikipedia article, posted on October 30, 2002, says his birth name was "Stanley Harvey Eisen'.
So what should we do? There are tons of low- and medium-quality "Harvey" references, none of which have Stanley telling us directly what was his birth name, and only one source saying "Bert". What can we do find an authoritative answer? Binksternet (talk) 18:36, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harvey or Bert? 

message: I added such categories on Paul Stanley page - "American Jews", "Jewish musicians", "Jewish American musicians", "Jewish singers". It is commonly known that Paul Stanley is Jewish. And it is written on Paul Stanley Wikipedia page. Binksternet reverted it on the ground of saying that it is unknown does Paul Stanley practice Judaism or not. 
To me, it sounds absurd. Category "American Jews" must not include secular Jews??? Approximately 87% Jews worldwide don't practice Judaism, but they are Jewish. Paul Stanley is a secular Jew like overwhelming majority of Jewish population. Nobody tells that Paul Stanley is an Orthodox Jew, but definitely Paul Stanley is a Jew, and belonging to these categories is right. For example, in Soviet passports was written "Ethnicity - Jewish", regardless of Judaism (state policy was antireligious, and everybody categorized in ethnic categories). Accordind to Jewish traditions, according to Halakha, Paul Stanley is also Jewish.
   
I don't understand this edit of the moderator. --95.27.149.119 (talk) 18:33, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Being Jewish means two different things: heritage and religion. Categories such as the ones you added do not differentiate between those two things. They should be added only for people who have both heritage and religion. Stanley does not; he is not a practicing Jew, he is not religious. He only has the heritage. Binksternet (talk) 19:11, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

text: Unless you can cite a reliable source that he identifies as Jewish, adding anything more specific than the "American people of German-Jewish descent" category raises verifiability issues, which we have to be especially careful of in the biography of a living person. Someone could be born to Jewish parents but have converted to another religion or identify as agnostic/atheist/pastafarian/etc. --Ahecht (TALKPAGE) 19:34, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

text: At Wikipedia:Categorization the instruction says that a category should be added only if it represents a defining characteristic of the topic. At Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality, the instruction is refined such that the "defining" characteristic must be commonly and consistently discussed in prose in reliable sources. Stanley does not qualify as Jewish using this criteria. Binksternet (talk) 12:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

text: I got ahold of Stanley's memoir and added sources for him identifying as Jewish. I added "Jewish American musicians", but "American Jews" and "Jewish musicians" are both parent categories of "Jewish American musicians" and would be redundant. Adding "Jewish singers" in addition to "Jewish American musicians" seems like it's giving the religion WP:UNDUE weight. -Ahecht (TALKPAGE) 15:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belonging to "Jewish" categories in Wikipedia