Talk:House of Barcelona

message: The debate began way back in July 2006. It continues. Srnec (talk) 01:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Note: I moved the discussion back here --Enric Naval 17:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  House of Barcelona should be House of Aragon 

message: The article says "In Aragonese history, this dynasty is called the House of Barcelona.". No. In aragonese history, it's called the House of Aragon. In catalan history, it's called the House of Barcelona. In english history, you can find House of Aragon on plenty places, refering both to Kings of Aragon and kings of Sicily  The encyclopedia of World History, 2001 sicilian history. In medieval documents, you can find "Darago" and "Casal Darago".
Particularly, I'm quite sure that there is no document of S. XVIII or sooner that mentions "House of Barcelona" when refering to Kings of Aragon, but there are tons of documents saying "Darago" (Of Aragon). Well, actually about any document mentioning the Kings of Aragon will say that. This article doesn't even mention "House of Aragon" anywhere.
I placed some arguments and verifiable sources on Talk:House_of_Barcelona --Enric Naval 20:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  comment moved from [[Talk:List_of_Counts_of_Barcelona]] 

message: This article should be called "House of Aragon" for the part that accounts for the Kings of Aragon. The reason is this extract of the Chronica of Ramon Muntaner (he lived in 1265-1336, but the book was edited in 1558), where it says that it is talking about the "Casal Darago" (House of Aragon).
 "Capitol ij. en lo qual Lautor recapta attencio dels Llectors, perço com propos a la materia de que deu parlar en aquest libre, ço es dels feyts, e proefes, del Casal Darago (...)" in which the author asks for attention (gets attention?) from the readers, because of this relating to the matter that he must talk about on this book, which is of the facts, and feats, of the House of Aragon 
 "Capitol xxj. com lo Rey en Iacme Darago hach carta del Papa (...)" How the King James of Aragon has letter from the Pope
Please notice also that all documents from that period always talk of "King of Aragon" and/or "Darago". There is no ancient document that I know about that ever mentions "De Barcelona".
Also, the title of king had precedence because it was so accorded on the marriage of Ramon Berenguer IV to Petronila. It was also accorded that sons of them would be crowned on Zaragoza. And the kings were called "DArago" (Of Aragon) on that epoch's literature, too.
It is also ignored by wikipedists that Ramon Berenguer took the Aragon King Ramiro as father, so he became part of the Aragon house! And that aragonese legal usage said that the house could be transmitted throught by women.
I would like to see hard facts justifying why aragonese kings should be called part of the House of Barcelona. And I don't mean an article from the GREC (Great Catalan Encyclopedia). I mean proof enough to counter the fact that the very "Constitucions" of Barcelona have this same treatment. And all Aragonese Court documents, and "fueros" documents, etc. And actual whole documents, because I have seen people directly cutting relevant sentences inside a paragraph withouth saying so, changing all its meaning, and I could only notice it by looking at the original lytographies and transcriptions of the books.
I want to create a House of Aragon article and place there all Aragonese kings from Alfonso I up to the Trastamara dinasty. I don't like the actual distorsion of history on this article. Wikipedia should not be a place for catalans to hijack their neighbours' history because they feel that it's not correctly treated. It was the way it was, and it should spelled here that way.
Also, notice, that the catalan version of wikipedia is biased towards Catalonia, so please take things from there with a grain of salt. Sorry for ranting --Enric Naval 18:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  comment moved from from [[Talk:House_of_Barcelona]] 

message: Count of Barciluna was "Count to the Emperor", "suzerain over Counts" with princely or margravate status.
House of Trastámara is the branch of Ivrea family or House of Castile-León
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marca_Hispanica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.246.41.166 (talk • contribs) 16:56, 26 October 2006 --Enric Naval (talk) 22:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: status of count of barcelona

message: The article says "(...) passed to the House of Trastámara, descended from a female of the house of Barcelona". Can someone say the name of the female so we can wikilink to the proper article? --Enric Naval (talk) 07:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Linked. Srnec (talk) 14:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  female of the house of barcelona 

message: I found a Cambridge UP source, and I expanded House of Aragon from being only a disambiguation page. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:07, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 2 years later