Talk:Social entrepreneurship

message: * I did a fair bit of editing of this page today... mostly re-organizing the links. Ideally it will evolve beyond a collection of links, but because this phrase still means many different things to different folks, it seems like a good first step to find out the scope of how it is being used and defined. What do others think? --Smarbin 08:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scope of definition

message: This article was basically a collection of external links, which Wikipedia is explicitly not intended to be.  So I've moved them here (leaving the two that seemed like they added the most value - i'm not wedded to them though).  I've moved them here to help editors in building the article.  
===Definitions of Social Entrepreneurship===
* The Meaning of Social Entrepreneurship - J. Gregory Dees
* What is Social Entrepreneurship? - PBS movie The New Heroes
* What is a Social Entrepreneur? - Ashoka Foundation 
* Social Entrepreneurship: Beyond Theory - Tamara Backer
* Social Entrepreneurship Research: A Source of Explanation, Prediction, and Delight - Johanna Mair and Ignasi Marti
* Toward a better understanding of social entrepreneurship: Some important distinctions - Jerr Boschee and Jim McClurg
* Social entrepreneurship: an overview Pamela Hartigan and Jeroo Billimoria
*Social Entrepreneurship and Societal Transformation: An Exploratory Study Sarah H. Alvord, L. David Brown, and Christine W. Letts 
*Social and Commercial Entrepreneurship: Same, Different, or Both? Authors: Austin, James; Stevenson, Howard; Wei-Skillern, Jane
*The meanings of social entrepreneurship today Authors: Roper, Juliet; Cheney, George
*What is a Social Entrepreneur? - School for Social Entrepreneurs
===School Programs===
==== School Program - U.S. ====
*Social Enterprise Program and The Research Initiative on Social Entrepreneurship Columbia Business School
*Center for the Advancement of Social Entrepreneurship Duke University - The Fuqua School of Business
*The Center for Social Innovation Stanford Graduate School of Business
*Reuters Digital Vision Program Fellowship program at Stanford University
*The Satter Social Entrepreneurship Program  NYU Stern School of Business.
*The Reynolds Foundation Program in Social Entrepreneurship NYU Wagner Graduate School of Public Service.
* Bastiat Free University combined courses of the College Of Entrepreneurship and the College Of Human Interaction
*Reuters Digital Vision Program  Stanford University - Center for the Study of Language and Information
*Helene & Grant Wilson Center for Social Entrepreneurship Pace University
*Global Social Benefit Incubator Santa Clara University - Center for Science, Technology, and Society
*Center for Nonprofit Management The Kellogg School of Management
* The Skandalaris Center for Entrepreneurial Studies at Washington University in St. Louis - Social Entrepreneurship and Innovation Competition  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kebmilligan (talk • contribs) 01:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: ==== School Program - U.S. ====
*Social Enterprise Program and The Research Initiative on Social Entrepreneurship Columbia Business School
*Center for the Advancement of Social Entrepreneurship Duke University - The Fuqua School of Business
*The Center for Social Innovation Stanford Graduate School of Business
*Reuters Digital Vision Program Fellowship program at Stanford University
*The Satter Social Entrepreneurship Program  NYU Stern School of Business.
*The Reynolds Foundation Program in Social Entrepreneurship NYU Wagner Graduate School of Public Service.
* Bastiat Free University combined courses of the College Of Entrepreneurship and the College Of Human Interaction
*Reuters Digital Vision Program  Stanford University - Center for the Study of Language and Information
*Helene & Grant Wilson Center for Social Entrepreneurship Pace University
*Global Social Benefit Incubator Santa Clara University - Center for Science, Technology, and Society
*Center for Nonprofit Management The Kellogg School of Management
* The Skandalaris Center for Entrepreneurial Studies at Washington University in St. Louis - Social Entrepreneurship and Innovation Competition  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kebmilligan (talk • contribs) 01:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: School Programs

message: *Social Enterprise Program and The Research Initiative on Social Entrepreneurship Columbia Business School
*Center for the Advancement of Social Entrepreneurship Duke University - The Fuqua School of Business
*The Center for Social Innovation Stanford Graduate School of Business
*Reuters Digital Vision Program Fellowship program at Stanford University
*The Satter Social Entrepreneurship Program  NYU Stern School of Business.
*The Reynolds Foundation Program in Social Entrepreneurship NYU Wagner Graduate School of Public Service.
* Bastiat Free University combined courses of the College Of Entrepreneurship and the College Of Human Interaction
*Reuters Digital Vision Program  Stanford University - Center for the Study of Language and Information
*Helene & Grant Wilson Center for Social Entrepreneurship Pace University
*Global Social Benefit Incubator Santa Clara University - Center for Science, Technology, and Society
*Center for Nonprofit Management The Kellogg School of Management
* The Skandalaris Center for Entrepreneurial Studies at Washington University in St. Louis - Social Entrepreneurship and Innovation Competition  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kebmilligan (talk • contribs) 01:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Program - U.S. 

message: * 4Nonprofits.org
* Changemakers
* UnLtd:  The UK Charity which supports Social Entrepreneurs 
* Venturesome Fund: Innovative Finance for Charities and Social Entrepreneurs 
* Tearfund's Inspired Individuals Initiative  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.74.144 (talk) 10:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Other

message: I'm a little wary of the claim and source that Bill Drayton "coined" the term social entrepreneur. Drayton has certainly been key in popularizing the term and bringing the concept before the public, but the idea that he came up with the term has the flavor of urban legend.  But the source for actually being the one to "coin" social entrepreneur is a newspaper article which repeats the idea with providing any detail or showing any sort of source.  A good newspaper is fine for reporting on general events, but etymology is a highly specialized field.  Even from the story in the paper, a brief Internet search shows use of the term in print from at least 1958* - five years (according to the source quoted) before the Drayton was even thinking about these things.
I don't think this is a huge part of the article, but I do think an encyclopedia should make an effort not to perpetuate common but mistaken memes. Other thoughts?
* Using news.google.com a search on the phrase "Social Entrepreneur" brings up: The Post Standard, The (Newspaper) - May 8, 1958, Syracuse, New York; and the Post Standard (Newspaper) - December 10, 1961, Syracuse, New York that use the phrase, there may be others (full articles available from Newspaperarchive.com for a fee...).
--Siobhan Hansa 15:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of social entrepreneur 

message: Can a section be added to socialistic capitalism (added request for it at capitalism article) (saw term in time magazine, march 2009: 10 ideas changing the world right now, idea 9).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.199.16 (talk) 16:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Socialistic capitalism

message: I removed a section of this article because it was unsourced and seemed to be rather speculative, with support from nothing more than "anecdotal" evidence.  I'd be happy to work on this attempt to define the patterns of social entrepreneurs, but insist on sources. Nutson11 (talk) 04:32, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of section  

message: The existing article on social entrepreneurship is rated C-class, and though it is relatively well-written, I believe that a few changes will make this article even better, hopefully to a B-class article. Currently, the article has large sections on "History" and "Current practice," but those are the two only substantial sections of the article. The article would benefit from greater depth and expansion of the article with several new sections and subsections, most notably in expanding the definition of social entrepreneurship in practice, and making subsections about key figures, an online presence, and major organizations involved. A "case studies" section will serve to further develop the definition of social entrepreneurship to help see how it applies to society today. A section on public opinion can provide a view on the net impact that social entrepreneurship has had on people. As philip.desautels mentioned, there is some debate on the definition of social entrepreneurship, and my vision is that by both helping to cement the idea of social entrepreneurship as a theory and practice, any ambiguities about the definition and the ideas it encompasses can be cleared up. Deniselee26 (talk) 22:03, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plan to revise article 

message: I believe that the work that Deniselee26 has done on this article so far is well done and valuable. The breadth of information that the article covers is impressive, and the quality has definitely been augmented by the inclusive of a case study section to ground the general statements in real activities. For future revisions, I would suggest paying close attention the neutrality issues. Some of the sections, particularly in the case study section, read like endorsements of the projects or their mission statements. Certainly many of these projects have done great work, but no project is without its critics (especially in the case of Yunus). Adding objective language and criticism to these sections would restore some balance to the article. Furthermore, the reference section is in need of care. There is no standard form that the sources take, be that MLA or APA, so it is difficult to verify the legitimacy of the sources. Some work here in cleaning up the sources would be very valuable for further research by the reader.
DerekHolliday (talk) 22:41, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review of student contribution

message: Hello! Thank you very much for your response and constructive feedback. I have taken your advice and cleaned up all the citations in the article, as well as adding more scholarly sources to support my statements. I have also edited many sections of the article for neutrality. I look forward to continuing my edits to this article to further improve it.Deniselee26 (talk) 04:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to DerekHolliday

message: Deniselee26 has done a lot of good work expanding this article. However, I am concerned with the amount of space the article devotes to specific organizations. These sections have neutrality issues, and read more like sales pitches or PSAs than summaries. The Bridge Bread section was a particular offender of this- it even concluded with a call to visit their website. This belongs in the external links, not the article text.  Also explain why these case studies belong in the article- perhaps preface each case study with something like "this organization was one of Forbes 30 Under 30 Social Entrepreneurs in 2011". Other neutrality issues include phrases like "utter abandonment" (emotionally charged)  and "this argument is unlikely to be resolved soon" (obviously your own opinion, not sourced in any way). I think that focusing the efforts of this article on the more general aspects of social entrepreneurship, like the definition, history, etc. will be the best way to proceed. Make sure that you take advantage of your access to scholastic journals- rely less on secondary sources like websites and news articles. Also make sure that you discuss the negative aspects of social entrepreneurship- I know that some scholars consider Western corporations "helping" indigenous peoples as a form of imperialism. Discuss corruption issues as well. Finally, try to make the article more readable to a general audience. Many of your sentences are long-winded and complex. Revise them so that they are shorter, simpler, and more direct. Overall you've done a great job expanding this article! Be sure to add some images- perhaps of the specific entrepreneurs you mention- to make the article more appealing to read. 
Samanthaplove (talk) 23:28, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review of Deniselee26's contributions

message: Thank you very much for your constructive feedback! Many of the neutrality issues arose from other posters who posted specific examples of organizations that exemplified social entrepreneurship. Given the nature of this article, it is very difficult to describe such concepts without providing examples. However, I have limited the dominance of any one organization in any section of the article and have worked on remaining neutral. I also added several images to help conceptualize social entrepreneurship. Thank you for your constructive feedback, and I look forward to continuing to edit the article! Deniselee26 (talk) 04:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Samanthaplove

message: I have again reverted the recent addition of a section on "Characteristics of a Social Entrepreneur". The added content had serious WP:NPOV issues, and presented a number of subjective assessments as objective facts. Much of it was flattering, but excessively vague (WP:PEACOCK): "Taking creativity to the next level", "In order to change the world, one must be different from the world", "Success for a social entrepreneur is attained through motivation..." None of this is especially meaningful. Honestly, it reads more like a kids scouting pledge than an encyclopedia. The statement that "...six main qualities have shown up in each social entrepreneurial study" appears to be WP:OR, since the sources didn't agree on those six. One used ten criteria, another used five. Implying that six is definitive is WP:SYNTH, and is inappropriate. Grayfell (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for discussing this, sorry if this was harsh. The article should be neutral about social entrepreneurship as a concept. Any value judgement needs to be clearly attributed to a notable source, and should be presented as such. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 04:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on "Characteristics of a Social Entrepreneur" 

message: Apologies on the constant irritation and poorly written section. In regards to continually re-adding the section, I had not realized you had deleted it until now (I thought that I had technical issues). As to being poorly written, I appreciate the feedback, and I will revise the section accordingly.
Cocoabean136 (talk) 04:09, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for discussing this, sorry if this was harsh. The article should be neutral about social entrepreneurship as a concept. Any value judgement needs to be clearly attributed to a notable source, and should be presented as such. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 04:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to Grayfell 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Social entrepreneurship has become a buzzword in the United States and represents a growing movement of businesses that can capitalize on social good. While exciting to see here, I feel like we often don’t hear about its existence in other parts of the world. South Asian countries represent a rapidly developing market, where entrepreneurship, specifically social entrepreneurship, is being adopted in wide numbers. These social entrepreneurial businesses are focused on solving social problems in a meaningful way. They are also helping to catalyze a people-centric economy, focused on developing capabilities first before making a profit. South Asia is also not a newcomer to social entrepreneurship. Unbeknownst to a larger Western audience, the pioneer of microcredit, Muhammad Yunus, founder of Grameen Bank and Nobel Peace Prize winner, is from Bangladesh. Therefore, there is a lot of history in the region, and I’d like to explore that along with the current climate and the challenges of social entrepreneurship.
Key areas of my current proposal can be found on my Sandbox page.
Wickersong (talk) 08:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning a Child Article on Social Entrepreneurship in India/South Asia 

message: Fellow editors, I wish to post this article: Would like to get your comments.
Thanks
LOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 11:45, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Posting