Talk:Cedilla

message: Well, I was going over the Greek alphabet a few days ago, and I noticed something. Doesn't it seem quite strange how the final form of the Greek sigma, ς, looks unusually like our c-cedilla, ç. They are both pronounced almost the same. Plus the Greek script has had quite some influences on our Latin script. I hypothesize that ς could've been brought to the attention of the Romans via Syracuse, you know, Sicily was once a Greek land. Now, I know about that one Visigoth letter and all that, so please don't bother telling me about that. But, alas, if this can be disproved, it may be how we have commas or even ogoneks instead of cedillas in diacritics, especially with the Slavic/Baltic groups of languages and Romanian. And maybe Turkish too ... well, no because they just "copied off" of "Western" ideas, in the case of the scripts, replaced the Arabic scripts with the Latin, which I think was a very wise move. Otherwise, who would've been able to read Ottoman Turkish? It used, sorry if I'm exaggerating, many Arabic characters of which almost half of the characters are obsolete in the standard Arabic script today. IlStudioso 06:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Coincidence, just as the Cyrillic letter С bears no historical relation to the Latin Alphabet C (it is actually derived from the Lunate sigma, which probably is related to the lowercase Sigma). Hope this helps! ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c44:237f:accb:817a:b773:924f:4df9 (talk) 03:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate origin of cedilla? 

message: I'd be interested in an explanation of why ç is used instead of s in French, as to my ears the sounds are often quite similar. Is it for Latin words that no longer sound like they used to due to sound changes? 
I've also added a bit more about modernist cedilla designs, which I know have been used in French and other languages quite a bit and I think are worth mentioning. But I'm not a very good French-speaker (my interest in them came through knowledge of font design and internationalisation) and I think it might be nice if someone who is took a look at what I've added. Blythwood (talk) 09:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact the sounds of ç and s are not quite similar, but identical in French as well as in Modern Portuguese (in Old Portuguese ç sounded more like a 'ts'). The main reason for using ç in a word instead of s is etymological: it's a way of retaining a spelling that is more similar to the original Latin root: façade <- facies; français <- francus. This explains why modern Spanish no longer uses ç: when they decided for a spelling simplification, all etymological spellings were replaced with phonetic ones. —capmo (talk) 19:57, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Brilliant, that's what I assumed was going on. Would adding that make sense? I think it could be informative/helpful for people with knowledge of a lot of words with Latin roots. Blythwood (talk) 20:20, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think that this could be added to the c cedilla article. But unfortunately I have no references at hand to back that information. If you happen to find some sources on this subject, please go ahead. —capmo (talk) 20:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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