Talk:King's Daughters

message: To whoever keeps trolling on this page, if this continues, I will block the entire range you edit from.  —Wknight94 (talk) 04:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warning 

message: I have asked an admin to step in and clear all comments to this page and freeze it afterward, since all comments currently being made are irrelevant to the article itself, and are just a continuation of the trolling remarks that led to the first warning by an admin.  --Couillaud 05:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In response to your request, I have restored the section and left a response.  Although there may be an ongoing pattern of raising this issue over and over, the issue is not irrelevant to the article, and it is generally considered poor form to remove the comments of others.  Really, this problem is easily handled by demanding reliable sources and following Wikipedia policy.  Troublesome users can be handed blocks.  Mangojuicetalk 14:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request made to Admin 

message: I have never heard the filles du roi referred to as anything but "filles du roi" even in English; sometimes a parenthetical translation is provided but the French phrase is the accepted term.  It seems very strange to see it translated here. --Saforrest (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two books cited here as sources information with the words "The King's Daughters" in their titles.  The first time I heard of them, it was as King's Daughters.  While I prefer les filles du roi myself, the English is more common for English writers, just as the Carignan-Salières Regiment is more common than le Régiment de Carignan-Salières. -- Couillaud (talk) 21:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As a direct descendant of a listed fille du roi, I personally prefer the French version, however, seeing as this is English Wikipedia we'll have to stick with King Daughters--jeanne (talk) 14:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page name 

message: We just had a fact (or factoid) added by Jeanne, listing the lineage of a Hall of Fame pro hockey player from one of the Daughters.  There are surely many more prominent individuals descended from this group.  Should we create a section for lineages of such individuals?  The placement of the fact in the "Integration into New France society" section seems a bit gratuitous, and while I know Jeanne is rightfully proud of her ancestors (as I am of the seven in my line), and I have no problem with the lineages, I believe we need more of them and a separate section for them.  --  Couillaud (talk) 19:37, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As a matter of fact, Bernard and I are directly descended from the same son of fille du roi Marie Priault, who was named Jean Joffrion and a voyageur. Your idea of a separate section is good. I have read that Celine Dion descends from a fille du roi as well.--jeanne (talk) 06:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree with talk. --Thorwald (talk) 00:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree - few, except well educated French Canadians, will understand the profound impact these women had on populating current Quebec (and Canada for that matter).  Modern references will drive the point home for the average reader. My vote is to leave the section in, hoping that someone has done more homework on current iconic figures that descend from Filles'  BTW I recently found the transcript of the Sovereign Council trial of Catherine Guichelin where she was convicted of prostitution and banashed from the walls (translated from middle French) - it's interesting reading but I'm not sure if it has a place here somewhere. Ian Furst (talk) 13:09, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lineage from ''filles du roi'' 

message: Living in Quebec, I was surprised that this article left out the biggest urban legend of all: that the reason Quebec women are regarded as exceptionally attractive to tourists (don't ask me, ask a Boston Bruins fan why he can't help but drive up here for a hockey game rather dirve the same distance to NYC) has something to do with the fact that the original "Filles du Roi" were chosen for their exceptional beauty. 65.92.135.210 (talk) 22:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Urban Legend 

message: Currently, a search for "Daughters of the King" redirects to this page. This is a misleading redirection. The Daughters of the King is a religious order of the Episcopal Church of the USA (see http://www.doknational.com/). The search terms "Daughters of the King", "The Order of the Daughters of the King", and "DOK" should all direct to a page about this religious order. I have done a search for the latter 2 and apparently no such page yet exists. As the president of a chapter of this order, I would be honored to create a page for our order, but I'd like this redirect corrected in the meantime. Thank you. Prtwhitley (talk) 06:05, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Remove Redirect 

message: The man who founded St. Joseph Missouri was a descendant of a filles du roi. His name was Joseph Robideaux and he was a descendant of Jeanne Denote who was a filles du roi. Did not want to add it without asking, but thought it would be an interesting thing to add.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.127.106 (talk) 19:02, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. Joseph Missouri and a Fille 

message: The introduction section of this article currently reads : « ... young French girls who were human trafficked to New France ... ». I am not a native speaker of English so I might be confused by the term, but I had not previously read anything anywhere that made me believe that these women were brought to Canada for what Wikipédia calls « human traffic, » i.e. as sex slaves or for activities in the sex trade. So, it was a bit of a surprise to me. (I thought the women were sent to Canada merely to be brides.) Since I am certain thousands of people look at this article and review it often, the term must be correct. Maybe someone should at least Wikify « human traffic » so it is clearer, and add a few more words about the sex commerce aspects to add to understanding. Citing a source would be good for this term, too. (I am not going to touch the article.) Charvex (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted that phrase as it does not apply to this article, and is certainly not appropriate in the first paragraph. There are other phrases trying to say that the women were prostitutes, opposite to the points made in the Rumors section. Sometimes statements are given references, but it seems the reference is pulled from elsewhere in the article.  One citation is called a Libertarian view -- I could not see the full text on line, and wonder about its validity at all. --Prairieplant (talk) 11:53, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human traffic ??? 

message: This tone of this article seems changed with so much discussion reliant on recent texts or journal articles that seem to address the philosophy of family size in France, the role of women, and not simply this program, the King's Daughters.  That is the topic, who was involved, how it was structured, and what success it had. I deleted sections of text that relied wholly on one of those sources or espoused the entire program as being pro-natalist, which seems to be a strong point of view, not balanced by other logical views (economics, settlers by definition wanting families). The intent of the source, from what I read, was not to document the King's Daughters or the shift of the role of government in orderly development of a settlement (rather than resource extraction from the New World).  The topic of fur hunting is covered in the New France article and does not belong here.
If others are more knowledgeable of the sources from journals (listed in the References and not always available on line, could you help sort out the wayward text?  Some of the References are notated as on line, but there is no URL leading to them, as are some of the footnotes, another problem needing correction. --Prairieplant (talk) 13:53, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I figured out the problem of the off-topic edits, and I rebuilt the article from an older version. I forgot to post here the day I rebuilt the article.   --Prairieplant (talk) 06:39, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change in tone of article away from main topic 

message: From the "Rumors and Legends" section:
While there were two campaigns in the mid-16th century that involved the immigration of French criminals to Canada in exchange for their records being expunged, they were both short-lived. These programs resulted in little more than setting a precedent for viewing Canada as a place where those "of questionable morality" could be sent for one reason or another.
I assume that should be the 17th century?  Or did it refer to one of France's unsuccessful colonies of the 1500s? 108.254.160.23 (talk) 05:59, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  16th century? 

message: Perhaps this is a temporary problem? The chart showing the age distribution of the women who came to Canada does not show up in this article (in Origins section) or in Wikimedia if I link there via a google search. The file is
Graphique sur la répartition des "Filles du Roi" selon l'âge (vers 1663-1673).gif
and only the caption is showing, today. Is any step needed for it to show again?  --Prairieplant (talk) 07:15, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Must have been a temporary problem as the pie chart in the gif file now appears. Bit of a mystery, but it is okay now. --Prairieplant (talk) 21:17, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  gif with age distribution of the women is not showing up, here or in Wikimedia. 

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replies: text: Link works, brings one to the genealogy of H R Clinton as published, so I changed from false to true above.  --Prairieplant (talk) 00:44, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Something that struck me when I first read this article was the incorrect uses of "immigrate" and "emigrate." One does not immigrate from France; one emigrates. There were too many such errors for me to correct, so I left them. Heads up!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.174.36.29 (talk) 08:38, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no errors. There are exactly ten instances of "immigra..."in the article and none of them are obviously wrong.  Almost all of them involve immigration to and thus are definitely correct. A few could be written as either way (emigrant/immigrant for example). Meters (talk) 08:54, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage: "immigrate" vs "emigrate"