Talk:Learning

message: * Shouldn't we link the pages on Formal Learning and Formal Education and Non-formal learning and Non-formal Education ? -- SvenAERTS (talk) 07:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: * The Wikipedia motto is be bold - if you think things should be mentioned, mention them yourself. The best "team" to create back links is you. — RHaworth  18:17, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions from SvenAERTS 

message: Public education is currently nominated to be improved on WP:IDRIVE. You can support the article by voting for it there.--Fenice 20:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement drive

message: Please indicate which sections need work. Simply to add the tag is not as helpful as giving some indication where to start. This article was a wiki-wide collaboration so good faith was clearly involved in its production. I will leave this note for 1 week before rm'g the tag if no response is had. --Ancheta Wis 09:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tag 

message: "Most people will smile back at babies who gaze at them and smile."
this caption made me grin - I like to scowl at babies to test their reaction :p
--Froth 20:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  babies 

message: This article seems to be very human orientated and focuses a lot on using examples of schooling as in teacher in a class teaching students.  Would it be possible to user broader examples, such as how animals learn to hunt, and their techniques, including how some other animals are using tools (eg Ravens, Apes, Dolphins, etc) and how that could have possibly come to be and the processes they would have likely learnt by?  The article  I find starts off using a lot of complex terminology and its hard to follow, possibly tone it down a bit so its bit more lamen in the first paragraph explaining the very basics of learning and what the article is likely to outline?   Feel free to delete this bit from the discussion in the future.  (currently march 2007)
--Docjp 15:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go easy on the signatures my friend, you only get so many. Richard001 09:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a bit of both at the moment. Shouldn't the animals banner be kept until it is changed from that? Richard001 06:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your right it is... and since this really falls under the purview of animal behavior (and there seems to be a lot of interest in the topic) I'll leave it at your discretion. J. Hall • (Talk) 15:27, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly broaden the topic to include animals learning behaviour and how its similar to humans? 

message: Good job on the construction so far everyone, but the scope of what classifies as "learning" seems limited here. I think this page should stay limited to a general definition, and that more dense topics associated with learning should have their own pages. DrBrunson (talk) 01:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gross Bias

message: The introductory section on physiology was unseemly - I've changed it but it is still wanting. It alluded to the current hypothesis about how learning is implemented in the nervous system. Although it has some support, it by no means should be stated as fact. The entire "pathway forming" spiel is just quasi-scientific prattle. The current dogma is that learning is effected mainly by tweaking the efficacy of synapses (such as in LTP and LTD). While there is some evidence of synapse formation (and elimination!!!) during learning (e.g. - Kandel's seminal work on the Aplysia) this has not been proven to be the case in mammals (and currently cutting edge research employing 2-photon imaging is conducted in hope of unravelling this mystery).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomerfekete (talk • contribs) 18:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neuroscience of learning 

message: I have reverted the article to the revision of 5 August 2008. The current one has a fraction of past content. After 5 August, an anon increased the size to 26,000 bytes, after which the article suffered. A person better acquainted with this article could find a different revision to be the best backup point. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversal (2008) 

message: AFAICS, the scope of the article is human learning. Out of scope: animal learning (a redirect to ethology), machine learning. --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Rereading the introductory sentence "In the fields of neuropsychology, personal development and education, Learning is one of the most important mental function of humans, animals and artificial cognitive systems", I may be wrong. It seems like someone has added "In the fields of neuropsychology, personal development and education" to the sentence later. From what I can see, the article has mainly been devoted to human learning, with the exception of one section on machine learning, but what do I know. In any case, the scope should better be clarified here at the talk page, I suppose. --Dan Polansky (talk) 14:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope 

message: The eLearning wiki mentions Bologna as the world's oldest unversity. In India, Takshila and one other were existing long before Bologna.Nnandish (talk) 15:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  world's oldest university 

message: I made the following file. Use if you feel appropriate. 
--Nevit (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do-Talk-Read-Write > Learn 

message: Given the central importance of learning, the coverage of both the relevent neuroscience and formal models (eg neural networks and machine learning) seems very inadequate. At the very least there should be links to the relevent Wikipedia articles. Formal learning models play a huge role in theoretical neuroscience, neural networks, cognitive science and machine learning, and much of the present article seems to focus instead on minor and controversial issues.Paulhummerman (talk) 18:57, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  neuroscience and theory of learning 

message: Learning has different types. 
There are simple forms of learning which included, Habituation and Sensitisation and also more complex forms such as Classical and Operant conditioning.  
Habituation & Sensitisation
Habituation is a simple for of learning. In This form of learning the stimulus has to always cause a response and the response has to be a reflex. After a few times of repeated stimulus the subject learns that the stimulus is harmless therefore s/he shows less (or no) response to the stimulus anymore. 
During Habituation what happens is that the amount of Calcium ions decreases therefore less calcium will travel to the presynaptic membrane. Consequently the reflex response reduces. 
In Sensitisation very similar situation happens. Stimulus causes the response and the response is always a reflex. However after repeated presentation of the stimulus the subject learns that the stimulus might be harmful therefore the response increases and that's the difference between these two simple types of learning. In fact in Habituation there is a reduction of Calcium whereas in Sensitisation there is a reduction in Potassium ions.  With less Potassium there is more chance for the presynaptic terminal to be depolarised therefore there is a strong depolarisation to cause action potential which increases the response. 
In classical conditioning which also called Pavlovian Conditioning, the stimulus elicit a response however the response is not a reflex this time. In fact an unconditioned stimulus which will naturally produce a response is used in order to get the same response when using another stimulus. The other stimulus is called a Conditioned Stimulus because we have conditioned a stimulus to get a response. Therefore the response if a conditioned response. 
There are different ways to use this type of learning. Some of these ways don't require any memory involved therefore we can use those type to teach new tasks to people with Amnesia (memory problems). Delayed conditioning is one of these type in which the we present the conditioned stimulus (CS) and while it is presented the unconditioned stimulus is to be presented. Therefore there is need of a high level of cortical control. 
Operant Conditioning however is all about the consequences of the behaviour. In other words rewards will increase the behaviour whereas punishment will suppress the behaviour. 
Rosa Rahin  02:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly, people do learn things.  The article presents many classifications about learning.  Jim learns the taste of food by sensitisation, but if Bob who has done criminal things and goes to jail, then Bob's learning is classified as operant conditioning.  Jim learned something, Bob (in theory) learned something, but these classifications do not measure how well either learned.  The article is so much about classifications of learning that little useful information regarding effective learning gets to the page.  Today, there are a number of international studies done mostly with students in schools.  And done because education is proving to be a competitive advantage for countries who do it better than other countries.  Rather than disperse our reader's attention by classifying various learning situations into 100 fractions, would it not be more useful to point to countries with successful education, whose students learn well, apply well, and whose economies are therefore doing better? Jim Bough (talk) 18:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

text: I disagree, the issues you raise are about formal education, not learning. Note that your assertion that "effective learning" (whatever that is) provides a "competitive advantage" (whatever that is) is about education, not learning.  Yes, the educators do confuse the terms often. Robotczar (talk) 17:55, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Learning (Psychology and Biology)  

message: Continued updates to ToL. Lots of work to do, as the original section was essentially unsubstantiated and backed by weak referencing. Fascinating history that dates back to the early 20thC. Research since has sought to clarify, but has not actually identified, what ToL is. Will continue to expand. Can I remove the 'Buzzwords' box? Buzzword box removed. 
Daveplml (talk) 14:35, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Great job! I did some minor copyediting, but I was impressed. Lova Falk talk 07:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transfer of Learning 

message: ...and this part of the lede...
While this article describes the different environments in which learning happens, there seems as yet to be no description of how a collection of neurons learns nor where, exactly, in this collection of neurons "memory" is located.
does not seem to encapsulate anything in the article, but instead to mention what is not in the article. therefore a new section needs to be created in the article to address this subject, or the sentence simply removed without relocating it to the article proper, and not the lede.
makeswell (talk) 05:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've simply removed the blockquoted sentence. If you're interested in replacing or relocating the sentence then please contact me at my Talk page rather than this page, which I will likely not check up on in the future. makeswell (talk) 05:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Perhaps the "expert needed in neuroscience" is POV. After all, there is a video clip on robots learning as the lede illustration. --Ancheta Wis    (talk  | contribs) 22:02, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  the lede of the article needs to summarize the key points of the article... 

message: Having stumbled upon this article (while playing a Wiki game involving clicking your way to Philosophy from Special:Random -- try it!) I noticed the lede reads very much like an essay as oppposed to an encyclopedic article. The structure is incredibly different compared to the ledes of the vast majority of articles on Wikipedia. I propose it should be rewritten to better reflect the structure of encyclopedic articles as opposed to the structure of a first-year college essay. --Kazinsal (talk) 01:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerns about the encyclopedic tone of the article 

message: I've expanded the reading list on this article.  It is much more likely that people will search for the key word 'Learning' than 'Epistemology.' Stmullin (talk) 23:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Reading list

message: This section has grown out of control, so I have moved it out of the article into this talk page. Please see Wikipedia:Further reading and put only entries that are topical, reliable and balanced, and please, keep the section limited in size. "Wikipedia is not a catalogue of all existing works." Please, if you add an entry back into the article, motivate why. Thank you! Lova Falk talk 14:10, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reading 

message: I'm adding some examples to the enculturation section of this article. I'd appreciate if someone would look over it.Mhirahara (talk) 08:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions and Edits 

message: The content on the other page is definitely just an expansion of the content on this one. Eventhorizon51 (talk) 05:37, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Factors affecting learning]] 

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message: I came here looking for information on natural learning, tangential learning, nonformal learning, or Incidental learning. I was surprised to find all of these sections in this article discuss events and activities intentionally organized by teachers. I would expect that to be in an article on pedagogy. People learn many things outside of constructed learning environments, but that isn't reflected in this article. Daask (talk) 14:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overemphasis on teaching 

message: The section on Meaningful learning using the deeper learning page  instead of the meaningful learning page . The articles seem to be very similar so maybe worth looking at in more detail to either merge the articles or mention the meaningful article in that section.DannyHatcher (talk) 15:14, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaningful Learning and Deeper learning overlap 

message: what does this sentence mean correctly-" Although it has been criticized by some educators, rote learning is a necessary precursor to meaningful learning." can you explain?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4063:4C9B:CA20:30E4:4EFF:F080:36BD (talk) 13:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rote learning section 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Human Cognition SP23

message: Hi there, I'm excited to be working with you all to edit Wikipedia to help the world have access to better information. With Wikipedia's moto being "be bold" I wanted to point something out that I noticed, and would love to receive feedback from you. As I was reviewing this page, I noticed that under the heading "Formal Learning", there was something that caught my attention that I would consider a read flag. The wording is almost identical to the source cited, (Informal Learning in the Workplace) but it has no quotation marks which is not giving credit to the person the information actually belongs. Here is the quote on the cited source's page, and if compared to the information under "Formal Learning" found on this Wikipedia page, you will find large parallels. "The terms formal and informal learning have nothing to do with the formality of the learning, but rather with the direction of who controls the learning objectives and goals. In a formal learning environment, the training or learning department sets the goal and objectives, while informal learning means the learner sets the goal and objectives (Cofer, 2000)". What do you think? ~~~~ Joshpalpsychology101 (talk) 02:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am wanting to improve the Formal, informal, non-formal learning sections as well as the operant conditioning section. If you happen to see edits under these topics, please know I am working hard to "be bold" but at the same time I am open for feedback and looking to be a team player. Let me know of any ideas or sources you might have that I can read to improve these sections. Thanks!  Joshpalpsychology101 (talk) 23:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerns about "Formal Learning" uncited works.  

message: — Assignment last updated by Joshpalpsychology101 (talk) 20:36, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Adult Development Spring 2023