Talk:Avengers: The Initiative

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers:_The_Initiative#Characters_involved lists characters that are supposedly involved, but really only appear on the cover.  A number of these characters rarely make cameo appearances and their stories are mainly in their own titles, such as Deadpool and Moon Knight.  Toxin hasn't actually been seen since his mini a few years back.  Like many comic book covers, this was done for the image of a bunch of heroes, not because they are all actively involved in the title.  Some of them, such as Moon Knight and girl Hawkeye, aren't even registered.  75.2.29.158 18:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur and recommend that this section of the article be removed.  -- Lampbane 15:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, are you saying that the list of character is not from a cited source, but is composed of someone looking at the picture and identifying hte characters seen there? Of course, if that is the case, it is doomed to be purged immediately as OR by synthesis cruft. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 06:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This list isn't accurate 

message: I am acting on Blue Falcon's previous note and removing those states not mentioned in the series. When the state gets mentioned, then we can include it. As well, I am removing the wikilinks to the American states because those links refer to real states, and not the imaginary states noted within the comic books. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing wikilinks to states, and non-mentioned states

message: I have created a template for the Initiative at a sandbox page.  Should I go ahead and use it or should I mention at the Comics Wiki Project?  Spshu (talk) 18:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created it at a template page so it is now here.  Spshu (talk) 21:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: A separate article has been started. 204.153.84.10 (talk) 22:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as the discussion kind of died, I am going to ask if the inclusion of the list of teams is necessary here, as in the intro paragraph, it states the article is about the comic book series. The Fifty State Initiative article is still there, and with some effort, the article could be maintained as a comprehensive list of the initiative teams. Rau's talk 03:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Fifty State Initiative]]

message: The Mighty Avengers are not part of the Initiative, it was stated in the first issue. Rau J16 20:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I went back and read the issue. The text on the opening panel of Mighty Avenger 1 is "Avengers Initiative".  While it is pointed out that the Avengers would serve the world, no where does it say if it represents New York as a 50 State Initiative team.  Based on that, it would make sense to add it back as an Initiative team assigned to the world and based in New York City, NY  similar to the listed unassigned team of Lightning Storm and Shadow Initiative. Make sense or should we exclude them too?  Spshu (talk) 21:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We should exclude them as well, shadow initiative is still in Camp Hammond, so if it had to be there, that is where it should go. But until it says that Lightning Storm and Mighty Avengers are part of the 50 State Initiative, they should be left out. Rau J16 21:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think those supporting Mighty Avengers, Lightning Storm and Shadow initiative as a 50 State Initiative is based on it being under the post-Civil War banner of Initiative.  I think that this is the problem with discussion regarding the list of everyone involve with the 50 State Initiative which is being discussed whether or not it should be seperated.  Just list the teams as that is the point. A registered hero might not be assign a team or a team of registered heroes might not be assign a state (Fantastic Four, anyone). Spshu (talk) 14:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I reread Civil War 6 and 7 which indicates Avengers is to serve New York.  I see them expanding the Avengers to the world beyond their 50 State Initiative mandate, so there is no reason not to list them. Spshu (talk) 19:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which pages was that on? I also just reread to issues(to check for personal assurance) and i did not see any mention of the Avengers, other than that they tried to reform villains back in the start. Im not saying your wrong, but a specific source for this would prevent some one ignorant from changing it back. Rau's talk 20:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just as I put in the article as a source that was remove. It was a statement by Commander Hill that with the Avengers on the East Coast and the Order on the West Coast that there was some sort of balance to the Initiative. Spshu (talk) 13:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

text: That is Page 3 Panel 1. Spshu (talk) 14:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that can be taken as a reference to Mighty Avengers, I must have subconsciously discredited it thinking it was New Avengers. But you are right. I will not remove it anymore. Rau's talk 18:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mighty Avengers 

message: If a recent Newsarama interview, Tom Brevoort stated that Skyhawk was the only active hero patroling Washington State. Does the list deal with all teams, or only active ones? Rau's talk 19:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he is just going off the cuff.  I believe Force Works to Iowa, unnamed Mormon team to Utah, Thunderbolts to Colorado, Spaceknights to Chicago, Illinois were mentioned in Civil War 6 or 7 along with the Order/Champions and the Rangers.  I don't have the Civil War: Frontline issues as far as the Earth Force vs. one member, Skyhawk, patroling Washington.  It is possible that the other members were injured or kill in some other book that I am not picking up. I check out a more direct source than the MarvelDatabase wiki. Spshu (talk) 19:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ] - Here indicates the what I am indicating.  I will check that issue.  Spshu (talk) 20:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference is on page four, page two not counting the cover and the previously pages. Also, it is not like it cannot change. I think current word overrides something from before the initiative was in full swing. Rau's talk 00:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Active 

message: I intend to condense the plot section heavily. Expect a major edit in the coming days. Rau's Speak Page 00:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: There has been no confirmation that Crusader is deceased.  He disappeared and he has a piece of the Cosmic Cube, so whoever keeps writing that he is dead and that Delroy caused his death should stifle themselves and stop going off of speculation.  Timmyfitz161 (talk) 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death of Crusader? 

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