Talk:Mahmoud Ahmadinejad/Archive 3

message: * I don't know the actual names of the ministers. But for sure these can't be the correct names. In Persian, "Jendeh" means "whore", "Koon" means "ass", "Nages" means "dirty" and "cos" means "pussy". 70.112.45.60 11:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Is it really neccessary to have this much excessive info on translation in the article?  Everyone knows that languages do not translate directly into each other but it's not disputed that at least the idea of his comments were portrayed correctly.  --Strothra 16:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When a mis-translation is, or could be, a significant milestone on the road to war, it warrants some discussion. It is unnecessary, though, to discuss the same qoutation twice in the same article, once under Antagonism Against Israel and again under Ahmadinejad and anti-Semitism.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.91.187.9 (talk • contribs) .
I agree with Strothra. It is blown way out of proportion and grossly skews the POV of this piece. --Mantanmoreland 14:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Your original research is fascinating, but you can't insert it into an article. Jayjg (talk) 01:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation issue 

message: "Non-notable, marginal groups" Jayjg? What, people actually living under this regime are less important than foreigners who oppose it? Sounds a lot like selective antisemitism to me. — JEREMY 07:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing wrong with consistent removal of non-notable material. If you are concerned that this article not downplay Ahmadinejad's anti-Semitism, you should revert the overt POV-pushing which has beset this article and which has precisely that goal.--Mantanmoreland 14:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: What do you call notable ???!! The statements were from Neturei Karta's leader and its spokeman. Would you please let me know why "Luke Harding and Denis Campbell" who were authors of that Guardian article about Iran's footbal team are notable and Neturei Karta's leader and its spokeman are not ???!!! Why do you think Iranian Jewish community is not notable but US senate is notable ??! This is plain POV. --Sinooher15:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm delighted that all of a sudden there is concern about POV-pushing in this article! So I trust I will see reversion of the anonymous edit that changed "Ahmadinejad and anti-Semitism" into "Accusations of anti-Semitism." I'm up against 3RR so I can't do it myself. Go to it, guys.--Mantanmoreland 15:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: This whole discussion is, as usual, totally surreal. The initial accusation of "selective anti-Semitism" is not only a personal attack on the editor in question but also ridiculous on its face, considering that the removed quotes were justifying Ahmadinejad's anti-Semitism. The comments that were deleted are from a non-notable  groups, including one that is on the lunatic fringe of Israeli society. Neither comment belongs in this article. Including them is yet another effort to skew the POV of this article. --Mantanmoreland 16:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that I've overstepped the mark; I withdraw my unwarranted commentary. Given neither of the paragraphs in question actually discusses the opinions of Iranian Jews but instead both present the opinions of a single, very small group, I accept they are not relevant here and have removed them. — JEREMY 20:28, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I applaud your show of good faith. Bravo.--Mantanmoreland 20:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Iranian Jewish commentary

message: Removed two dead-end citationsThe New York Sun: Senate Democrats Soften Iran Resolution
OpinionJournal: Shove It, Ahmadinejad!. The cited documents do not actually make the charge of anti-Semitism but rather report on issues surrounding the senate resolution (which still needs a good citation)
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83.91.187.9 12:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Organisaton of Sources for Charges of Antisemitism 

message: As suggested by at least two other editors, have condensed the issue of the translation, which rambles on far too long with semantic quibbles over whether Ahmadinejad said "map" or not. Current version gives undue weight to this semantic issue, thus skewing the POV by obscuring the fact, as noted by Bronner, that all Farsi translations refer to "wiping Israel away."  --Mantanmoreland 15:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If original Farsi script is provided, we can get confirmation from Iranian wikipedians here, but the focus should be on that he was quoting what Khomeini had said decades earlier --K a s h  Talk | email 15:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we absolutely would not be able to get "confirmation" that way. WP:NOR. Whether he is quoting Khomeini or Mary Poppins or Hitler, bottom line is that he advocated "wiping Israel away." The constant POV-pushing aimed at obscuring that fact needs to end.--Mantanmoreland 15:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should tone down your rhetoric and not make accusations against others. Please see WP:NPOV. Some of us here are interested simply in the facts, not character assassination. SirDiplomat 19:43, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This from a new editor who has just carried out approximately a half dozen POV-pushing edits and reverts, and two inflammatory Talk page posts, in his first -- what is it? -- twenty minutes on Wikipedia?--Mantanmoreland 20:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Please do not add origional research to Wikipedia.  See WP:NOR.  All claims must be verifiable through reliable cited sources. --Strothra 20:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As per Strothra.  Please review WP:NPOV as well.  Most sources used "wiped off the map"; some sources have since contradicted that (although in trivial way).  The current text captures that issue exactly, as Wikipedia is supposed to do - it doesn't take sides. Jayjg (talk) 15:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation issue condensed 

message: I've gone back through this article, which is far too long and rambling, to remove repetition while trying to preserve a neutral POV. 
I've cut some of the stuff early in the piece that readss llike it comes from a bio sheet from the Iranian foreign ministry. The segment on the letter to Bush is absurdly skewed, not mentioning that the letter was dismissed by US officials. I tried to replace the reverential tone that had pervaded certain parts of the article with a more neutral tone.
Meanwhile I cut dramatically the section on anti-Semitism, which is absurdly repetitious -- repeating the ramble on the Israeli "translation issue" now succinctly dealt with in the Israel section -- and replaced that section header with a more neutral one on the Holocaust. --Mantanmoreland 17:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Condensation attempted 

message: Hello,
Does anyone know which languages Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks?  It could be something interesting to add...Evilbu 16:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Persian (aka Farsi) for sure & he might be able to speak Arabic, I don't know. Mikker (...) 14:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What languages does he speak?