Talk:Larrys Creek

message: I just want to say, this is one of the best stream/river articles I've seen.  Excellent! Pfly 09:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Great

message: Since reaching featured status, I have added the National Register of Historic Places reference, as well as that the Flood of 1889 was from the same storm system that caused the Johnstown Flood (both mentioned in the FAC as possible additions). I also clarified the Seeley / Seely Run spelling (following the USGS name of Seeley Run) and added a new sentence (with reference) on the lack of Watershed Association for Larrys Creek. Two other refs have been updated and all PA State Routes are now just PA Routes. I have yet to write a stub on the covered bridge and wikilink that, but otherwise I think everything I now know about the creek that belongs in the article is there. Ruhrfisch 12:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes after FA 

message: OK. From a writing standpoint, not too bad. A lot of second-reference issues ... reusing "Larrys Creek" when just a pronoun or "the creek" would do. Some slightly awkward wording. But otherwise flows (ahem) well and imparts the information needed. The beginning sections needed more work; Geology and Watershed earned almost no red marks on my hard copy.
====Citations needed====
**Comment Thanks for all your careful reading of this. Just so you know, when this article went to FAC almost every fact / claim in the lead paragraphs was cited with an inline ref. The first person who commented on it in FAC opposed it for that very reason and only switched to support when I took them out (all but the direct quotation citation, which may have been added back in - no time to check). I do not see the need for several of these requests as they are neither direct quotes nor extraordinary claims. Also since the lead is a summary of the article, some of the sentences would need three or four references and just clutter up the lead. Just to be clear, the refs for everything in the lead are all in the article text. See below for specifics. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 16:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes from Daniel Case copyedit prior to turn in the spotlight

message: **Comment Thanks for all your careful reading of this. Just so you know, when this article went to FAC almost every fact / claim in the lead paragraphs was cited with an inline ref. The first person who commented on it in FAC opposed it for that very reason and only switched to support when I took them out (all but the direct quotation citation, which may have been added back in - no time to check). I do not see the need for several of these requests as they are neither direct quotes nor extraordinary claims. Also since the lead is a summary of the article, some of the sentences would need three or four references and just clutter up the lead. Just to be clear, the refs for everything in the lead are all in the article text. See below for specifics. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 16:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations needed

message: *Nearly 9,000 acres (3.6 km²) of second-growth forest are protected public and private land for hunting and trout fishing, with more land protected in parts of Tiadaghton State Forest. Is the public land in the 9,000 acres not part of the state forest? If so, why? If not, make it clearer that it is.
**The public State Game Lands have 2881 acres, the private Larrys Creek Fish and Game Club (and helipad construction society) has over 6000 acres, which added together are nearly 9000 acres of protected land. The Tiadaghton State Forest acreage is not even given accurately on its offical webpage (its eastern half is now part of Loyalsock State Forest but they have not updated their stats). Even if I knew exactly how large Tiadaghton is, I do not know how many of its acres are within the Larrys Creek watershed. If you can think of a better way to say it, please do so. I can make it longer and perhaps clearer, but again was trying to condense a lot of material in the body into one (already long) sentence in the lead. Thanks, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 21:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing

message: *The stuff about the bridge. This section is about the course of the stream, not the bridge. Since there's a separate article about it now, there's no need for this here so I deleted it. (It left one orphaned footnote, the "now and then" one).
**I fixed the orphan and added back  in two sentences about the bridge in the History section, as per WP:Summary style (leave a brief summary behind when making a larger article - before the only info left was the photo, where the bridge is, and that the plank road may nearly have reached that far). Thanks, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 02:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Off-topic wanderings

message: *Put the elevation of the source and mouth at the points in the text where those are described.
**Thanks - they make more sense there.  Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 21:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Moves

message: *The point where Larrys Creek flows into the Susquehanna is its mouth, not its "confluence".
**Thanks for the edit,  Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 21:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage

message: *It would be really great if you could add the path of the creek to :Image:Larrys Creek Watershed Relief Map.PNG, in blue or something. 
**Will try to do this if I have time - Ruhrfisch
*I am not a huge fan of the bolded subsectioning in the recreation section, seems to me that the section isn't all that long and the bold breaking of the text does more to interrupt the flow than it does enhance it.
**Removed - Ruhrfisch
*The water filtration plant section seems kind of short, would it be better worked into the preceding section?
**Merged now, plus made Tributaries its own subsection to get rid of another bold fake subheader - Ruhrfisch
*I am guessing the covered bridge doesn't have an article? Looks like not, it would probably be at Cogan House Covered Bridge (that's how its listed in the Register). Toss a couple sources my way and I will write up a decent article on it for you.
**See Cogan House Covered Bridge - Ruhrfisch
*As the crow flies, Lycoming County is about 130 miles (209 km) northwest of Philadelphia and 165 miles (266 km) east-northeast of Pittsburgh. I would definitely lose the colloquialism, its not the right tone for an encyclopedia. :)
**Fixed and see below - Ruhrfisch
*Are there any other see alsos? Maybe another tributary or something? 
**Working on a tributary list - Ruhrfisch
These are nothing more than suggestions and observations, take them for what you will, hope that helps a bit. :)IvoShandor 23:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks very much for the comments - my first priority is to see if I can get the article to load faster. I am taking the  templates out and switching to the faster loading Geobox 2. As for your points, I will see what I can do with the relief map. I had also thought of just adding the same labels to the relief map as are on the watershed map (dots and names for Salladasburg and the villages, label the creek and major tribs). I will take a second look at the bolds in Recreation - this is my first FA, so I did some things then I would not do now. The water quality and pollution section was  added in FA, so I will take a second look at how the Water Plant fits in there. I long ago promised User:Elkman an article on the bridge (which has at least three different names) and will get it written before Oct. 19. I actually went back to the library that has the article on its history and got a copy of the article before the TFA was chosen, so I have the source material. As the crow flies was in for FAC here and in White Deer Hole Creek and currently in FAC. I was asked to remove the wikilink. Because of the mountains in Pennsylvania, the driving distance is longer, but this is the direct distance. Would "Lycoming County is about 130 miles (209 km) northwest of Philadelphia and 165 miles (266 km) east-northeast of Pittsburgh, by direct distance" work (sounds awkward). Assuming I can get the bridge article done (should be fine) and the List of tributaries article done too, would they be OK as "see alsos"? Thanks, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 02:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree that the alternative to as the crow flies is a bit bulky, perhaps saying it as it really is, "direct distance is X, however the distance by road is Y." or maybe just is 165 miles . . . directly northeast of Pittsburgh or something like that perhaps. I just think that using as the crow flies is unnecessarily confusing. The bridge article seems like it would be screaming to be linked from the main text rather than a "see also" (considering it is discussed in the text and is the lead image, the tributary list would be a good one to add as a see also. I noticed the long load times too. I will look at the PR when I get a shot. I think that's it. :) IvoShandor 02:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just removed all the convert tags and it loads about twice as fast.  Also switched it from "As the crow flies,..." to "Measured directly,...". I was planning on linking the bridge article directly, but will try for the list for a see also. Thanks again, no rush on the PR (and the FAC is a FA now -  woohoo!). Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 04:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A few comments from Ivo

message: I just removed a section called Brownstone which was unreferenced and ignored the fact that Larrys Creek and the West Branch Susquehanna River are non-navigable streams. here it is: 
Larry's Creek, as well as the Susquehanna River in which it flows, as well as many other local tributaries and creeks were used for the transportation of brownstone, namely that of Hummelstown brownstone by the company Hummelstown Brownstone Company. Taken from the Hummelstown Quarry in Hummelstown the brownstone were transported throughout Pennsylvania using the vast water-ways.
If you have valid refs, let me know and we can but a sentence or two back in, but I know of no brownstone structures in the watershed. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 23:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brownstone nonsense 

message: I removed some vandalism and the brownstone nonsense (see above), as well as a few good faith edits that did not improve the article. There was a persistent vandal that kept changing the creek length to 2 decimal places, but could not provide sources and did not convert miles to kilometers correctly.
I added more information on the Ogontz Lodge to go with the information on Herbert Hoover's stays there added just after TFA. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 03:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes after [[WP:TFA|TFA]] 

message: Projects abound in region’s streams Williamsport Sun-Gazette January 25, 2009 By PATRICK DONLIN Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 02:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Watershed Association 

message: Removing water trucks from road: 1st of its kind in county, pipeline to cut number of trips to drill pads] Williamsport Sun-Gazette May 7, 2012  By DAVID THOMPSON, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 03:00, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Water use for Marcellus Shale fracking

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message: This featured article does not currently meet the featured article criteria.  There is uncited text throughout, and a number of outdated statistics, such as fish and game club membership statistics, population stats from 2000, and dated information about water quality and land use.  - Are you going to be able to work this one back up to standards? Hog Farm  Talk 15:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
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