Talk:Blue Monday (New Order song)

message: At the current moment, I have an updated version of the personnel section with four sources used (one of which was a Sound On Sound article that was reused here, hence why it isn't shown below). This is enough information to determine what exactly was used on the recording. These sources all go in depth as to what synths were used, and who played most of them. Even if this specific section isn't updated, most of this information should still be used, especially the mentions of the Prophet-5, ARP Quadra and the specific name of the sequencer that Bernard Sumner built.
Otherwise, I hopefully request that this change is made, because unfortunately a user decided to engage in a reverting war with me and are reasoning that I'm not using any sources, and if there are sources, to list them. As you can see from my edits, I very clearly have been using sources for this information, otherwise I wouldn't even bother putting this information here in the first place.
If this were to be eventually used, just copy and paste the below section. I will perform no more actions on this page as of now, as it's become very clear that it's been forcefully pulled out of my hands now.
===Personnel===
Credits sourced from Sound On Sound, MusicWeek, Rhino and Mental Floss
;New Order
* Bernard Sumner – lead vocals, Moog Source synthesizer, Powertran 1024 Composer sequencer, Oberheim DMX programming
* Peter Hook – 6-string bass guitar, Simmons percussion
* Stephen Morris – E-mu Emulator, Oberheim DMX programming
* Gillian Gilbert – Prophet-5 and ARP Quadra synthesizers, Powertran 1024 Composer sequencer
;Technical
* New Order – production
* Michael Johnson – engineering
* Barry Sage and Mark Boyne – assistants
2601:147:4700:B420:DCE8:B982:6104:B43E (talk) 02:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources added for better personnel section 

message: Credits sourced from Sound On Sound, MusicWeek, Rhino and Mental Floss
;New Order
* Bernard Sumner – lead vocals, Moog Source synthesizer, Powertran 1024 Composer sequencer, Oberheim DMX programming
* Peter Hook – 6-string bass guitar, Simmons percussion
* Stephen Morris – E-mu Emulator, Oberheim DMX programming
* Gillian Gilbert – Prophet-5 and ARP Quadra synthesizers, Powertran 1024 Composer sequencer
;Technical
* New Order – production
* Michael Johnson – engineering
* Barry Sage and Mark Boyne – assistants
2601:147:4700:B420:DCE8:B982:6104:B43E (talk) 02:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Personnel

message: After years of ‘synth-pop’, ‘alternative dance’, and ‘hi-NRG’ being the only genres here (and well-sourced in the article body), an anonymous user in late June added ‘new wave’ based on one article from a heavy metal magazine. A 2023 article from a heavy metal site, whose writers can hardly be imagined as experts in 80s British pop, ought not be the arbiter of what is and is not ‘New Wave’. Accurate musical history should not be sacrificed for the sake of an anachronistic source.
P.S. If you could once more provide backup as a third opinion @Ceoil (and maybe get some other NO fans to comment if you know any), I’d be doubly appreciative ;) Janglyguitars (talk) 05:49, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. "alternative dance" was even worse. Ild be fine with ‘hi-NRG’; given they were trying to emulate I Feel Love. Ceoil (talk) 05:57, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks again. I think ‘alternative dance’ is basically the American term for indie dance, and retrospectively one can pin Blue Monday as the starting point for indie dance, even if it’s a somewhat anachronistic term for 1983. It’s definitely hi-NRG inspired so I don’t have too much of a problem with that either. I’ll remove the heavy metal reference from the article. Janglyguitars (talk) 06:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Well, Blue Monday is fairly mainstream in Britain, and is a mainstay of everyday radio, school discos, and even weddings etc. "indie dance" to me means Soup Dragons shite and is a very different and much later thing. Appreciate your vigilance on these. Ceoil (talk) 22:35, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed that it is an undue use of a source for which this is in no way the main subject - the source cited is about Nu-Metal. Cambial — foliar❧ 11:24, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not New Wave.