Talk:Westroads Mall shooting/Archive 2

message: I'm watching a live news feed from KETV. Any guidelines on how to cite this?Tonytnnt (talk) 23:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to cite from live news feed 

message: Please change "ranch-styled house" to "ranch-style house", since it has little to do with ranches. (Although I don't understand why the architectural style of his house is relevant to the article.)
please change "pinky-finger" to "little finger" or plainly "finger" otherwise, it sounds rather elementary.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.206.102.83 (talk) 01:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: I corrected the tally indicated in the infobox and the text to reflect new information found here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/08/national/main3594414.shtml  Apparently, there were 5 injured, but only three of those were actually shot by Hawkins. The other two were "side" injuries.  Unless anyone objects, I believe those two should not be included in the injured tally, and have updated the page accordingly - NGC6254 (talk) 05:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by side injuries? Master of Puppets Care to share? 23:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Their hospitalizations did not result from injury inflicted by the gunman - NGC6254 (talk) 04:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead/injured tally 

message: ===Distraught===
was a distraught 19-year-old
I removed the above text and replaced it with was a 19-year-old male. My reasoning is that the adjective is unnecessary; one who shoots up a commercial center generally isn't the happiest person in the bunch. For example, if we started off the Kurt Cobain article saying "Kurt Cobain was a depressed rock musician", that would sound ridiculous. Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Thanks for your input.  Wikipedia is quite the "learn-as-you-go" experience. - NGC6254 (talk) 07:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

text: which is regrettable, yes, but i guess so. personally i'd prefer "the sick fuck", but that's just me. 'perpetrator' covers any scenario however, which seems more encyclopedic. Anastrophe (talk) 08:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we just call it Robert A. Hawkins? Master of Puppets Care to share? 20:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: that works, for sure. Anastrophe (talk) 20:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Ah... well, I'm not sure. Anyone else willing to develop consensus on this? Master of Puppets Care to share? 00:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

message: was a distraught 19-year-old
I removed the above text and replaced it with was a 19-year-old male. My reasoning is that the adjective is unnecessary; one who shoots up a commercial center generally isn't the happiest person in the bunch. For example, if we started off the Kurt Cobain article saying "Kurt Cobain was a depressed rock musician", that would sound ridiculous. Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Thanks for your input.  Wikipedia is quite the "learn-as-you-go" experience. - NGC6254 (talk) 07:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Distraught

message: Columbine High School massacre lists the two perpetrators as shooters, and as that's a featured article I think that it is acceptable to name Hawkins a shooter, too. Master of Puppets Care to share? 07:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: which is regrettable, yes, but i guess so. personally i'd prefer "the sick fuck", but that's just me. 'perpetrator' covers any scenario however, which seems more encyclopedic. Anastrophe (talk) 08:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we just call it Robert A. Hawkins? Master of Puppets Care to share? 20:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: that works, for sure. Anastrophe (talk) 20:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Ah... well, I'm not sure. Anyone else willing to develop consensus on this? Master of Puppets Care to share? 00:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shooter -> perpetrator

message: *Wasn't George W. Bush in Omaha the day of the shooting?  I heard that on the news and I believe it was earlier mentioned in the article.  Why was it not moved into the "Dismissed Coincidences" section? will381796 (talk) 00:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was removed, as the gunman mentioned nothing about killing Bush in his suicide note, and it is highly unlikely that Bush's visit had anything to do with the shooting. Master of Puppets Care to share? 01:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, and have already added it. - NGC6254 (talk) 02:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I have removed it because, like I said earlier, it is completely irrelevant in the context of this article and lacks a proper source. The "dismissed coincidences" section, aside from being plain stupid, is synthesis and fails WP:TRIVIA. This is also wholly irrelevant to anything mentioned in this article and I have removed it. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 02:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough (I'm a novice at this Wiki stuff). - NGC6254 (talk) 02:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coincidences 

message: Would this still be considered as a current event as the events have settled down and facts are not coming out as fast as they were in the past?  Shawn W (talk) 03:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, technically its still current since the Von Maur store has not decided about its future and the injured are still injured. Master of Puppets Care to share? 03:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Event 

message: The surveillance camera footage shows Hawkins' ultimate entry into the Von Maur at 1:42:33 pm CST. I believe that it's safe to conclude from this that he stepped out of the elevator closer to 1:43:00 pm. I am, therefore, changing the time accordingly. I know it's only one minute, but facts are facts.  - NGC6254 (talk) 22:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm... sounds good for now, though we should change it when the definite time is determined through the mall tapes the police still have. Master of Puppets Care to share? 00:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time of the shooting