Talk:History of the United States

message: The history of the lands that became the United States began with the arrival of the first people in the americas around 15,000 bc . The history of the United States was preceded by the the arrival of the native Americans. 70.15.132.224 (talk) 18:51, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The first people to arrive in the Americas were not citizens of the United States and this article should not pretend that they were. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 23:09, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the United States 

message: I have returned to this artcle after four years, to add and also restore some audio files. The only file I did not reutrn was a recording of Capitan's John Smith description of Virgina. Christopher Colombus already provides a colonial perspective, and while he never visited the contiental U.S he frequently visited the territory of Pureto Rico.  Given the broad scope of the article I think this about as many audio excerpts as the article can hold. I tried to include voices from women and people of color but also show the context of the time period. Of course these selections are far from perfect but all were selected not just for themselves but because they represent much larger concepts
We have as follows:
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* The first corn (native american folktale/Pawnee) (this folktale includes descriptions of hunting and corn cultivation that would have applied to many nations in what is now the Eastern/Central United States.)
* Columbus's letter (colonialism)
* Now removed but once was an excerpt from Captain John Smith (would represent English settlement/Jamestown/Ect but there is little space for this, Columbus might do the job here, or something about New England/Puritans/Witch trials could be here if a third pre-independence recording was needed
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Founding of the United States:
* Declaration of Independence (Thomas Jefferson, Enlightenment Ideas, Independence)
* U.S Consitution (Creation of the United States/Law/ect)
* Washington's Faarwell Adress (traditional American values, foreign policy, founder of the nation, ect)
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Slavery and the Civil War:
* Federick Douglas's Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, chapter 6
* Emancipation Proclamation
* Lincon's Gettysburg Adress 
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Progressve Era/Gilded Age/Wild West
* Excerpt of an 1869 newspaper article about the Trans Contiental Railroad (wild west, gilded age, technological development)
* Excerpt of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle (corruption/gilded age/progressive era) represented here
* Excerpt of Susan B Anthony's speech in court while she was on trial 
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Depression/New Deal/War
* I got the Ritz from the one I love (song)
* FDR's first fireside chat (radio broadcasts, new deal, ect)
* FDR's Declaration of war aganist Japan
* Truman's Atomic Bomb Announcment 
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Cold War/Civil Rights/20th century America
* Kennedey Cuban Missle Crisis (Cold War I)
* Lyndon Johnson's passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964
* Moon Landing recording/sounds 
* President Reagan's Berlin Wall Speech  (Cold War II, representation of neo conservatism)
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21st century 
* George Bush's 9/11 Adress (War on terror)
* President Obama's Inaugeration (Great Reccesion/First African American Presient/Return of liberalism)
* ??? possible file about Covid/Trump/1.6.21 ?
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As I said above I think is all the article can hold. Now one might want to include a post 2009 recording but that would be controversial and should likely be agreed upon by Peer-Review. I am temepted to use something Covid regulated or something that relates to the January 6th attack but again I think that should come about by peer-review.
I am going to ask that at least at this time that another editor does not slap the too many images template here, that is not construvtive we can discuss things here. In the modern era an article about the History of the United States should be filled with meaningful images and other forms of media to make the history more real. There are so many resources in the public domain that are avaliable to use that Wikipedia articles have just not caught onto yet.
Thanks for reading this post here and considering the files that have been uploaded.
Sunriseshore (talk) 18:44, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio Files 

message: In June an editor placed a too long template on the article. I am suggesting it be removed
* Naturally a history of the United States will be long
* To begin removing sections could disturb POV as it is likely that cuts could see areas about people of color/women/underseved communities being cut from the article.
* In many casees the article already feels like a summary rather than prose, if one attempts to cut the article to 100,000 bites for example what the article will be left with is a skeletal list
* Splitting the article into two parts would likely diminish both articles. Users come to this page looking for a broad yet comprhensive summary of the history of the United States. Attempting to make two parts would diminish the two (or all three articles) involved. I highly doubt that editors would seriously want to take a unifed history of the United States off of Wikipedia. 
If it was to be split, I suggest an 1865 bench mark but I find a split to be highly problematic.
If there are no objections in the next several days, the template will be removed.
Thank you. 
Sunriseshore (talk) 20:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the significance of 1865 for this topic? Does the end of American Civil War or the beginning of the Presidency of Andrew Johnson count as part of a different era? Dimadick (talk) 00:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Long? 

message: Shouldn't U.S. Presidents be referred to as "President [last name]" and not just by last name? 2603:8000:8F40:3B08:ADF8:4507:3C2F:1AB (talk) 18:03, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to refer to Presidents of the United States 

message: Noticed that these sentences have some language uses that are not consistent with the common Wikipedia language:
"The issue was drawn: did Parliament have the right to tax Americans who were not represented in it? Crying "No taxation without representation", the colonists refused to pay the taxes..."
Such as rhetorical question and different kind of tense used. I think it disrupts the flow of the passage. SpiciousS (talk) 17:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language Inconsistency 

message: The redirect The Important Steps of the American History has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Steel1943 (talk) 22:48, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:The Important Steps of the American History]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: It is unreasonable that the post 1945 world be lumped into the present into an endless era. The present not in the same world of 1945. This would also be the longest era since 1800.
2000 is a good stopping point, however if the crowd cannot bear this then at least a new section should be made from 1980 onwards.
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/us-history/modern-us
Sunriseshore (talk) 14:50, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to discuss your reverts on this talk page. Usually, when we use the term Contemporary America, it usually refers to the period after 1945 although I did see your comment above. I like your suggestion on 1980 since the College Board uses that as a stopping point after 1945. Also, Postwar America appears twice in the article. It is not clear what period it actually is referring to. If you can provide your input, that would be helpful. Interstellarity (talk) 11:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

text: @Sunriseshore: Thanks for working with me and sharing your opinions. I look forward to working with you throughout Wikipedia. Interstellarity (talk) 23:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Categorizing History

message: I realized it is hard to determine what of the massive history of the country to leave out and what to put in, but I find it disconcerting that searches for 'mass production,' 'assembly line,' 'Henry Ford,' 'Edison,' 'çomputer.' and 'artificial intelligence' all came up with no hits. One of America's biggest influences is in entertainment; while we do have jazz, there are no hits for movies/film/Hollywood/ nor for rock (music). I also wonder, given that the murder of JFK is included why, with many references to Lincoln, his murder is not mentioned.184.166.128.93 (talk) 18:44, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing topics