Talk:Chinese Staff and Workers' Association

message: I realize it's important to get the facts right about CSWA.  However, in both cases where you made edits, the published sources I have are much different than your edits.  If there is a dispute about the number of membes CSWA has, I would suggest that a) a published source be cited, and b) both numbers listed with a mention in the text or in a footnote that there are disputes about how many members the organization has.  Additionally, every history I have read about CSWA indicates that CSWA existed first, organized the restaurant workers (who then formed Local 318 with HERE), and then Local 318 broke off.  Again, rather than just changing the direction of that relationship, it would be helpful to cite a published source and then point out (either in the text or in a footnote) that the history of the organization is unclear or in dispute.
I've no axe to grind here, I just want to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines regarding citations.  The changes you made are very important to the understanding of CSWA, so it is important that those Wiki guidelines be followed rather than just make fundamental changes without cites.  I'm sure you have more access to CSWA history than I do, so I'm sure you could find some citations really easily.  - Tim1965 17:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbers of members, relationship to Local 318

message: Geekattack10, if you want to make changes to this article, you will need to provide citations.  Wikipedia's policy is that every article which has facts which are or can be disputed should be cited.  I've provided citations for the statements in the article.  You may have personal knowledge of CSWA; Wikipedia, however, does not permit original research, which is to say that you can't use your own personal knowledge to change an article.
Under Wikipedia's verifiability policy
:The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question. ... Any edit lacking a source may be removed...
If you wish to make a correction to the article, you should find a published source which says what you want it to say.  Then you should add it to the article, and provide an inline citation.  You should also then make it clear in the body of the article that there is a disagreement over what happened.  "Where there is disagreement between sources, their views should be clearly attributed in the text."
The statements already contained in the article about the sequences of events and what happened (men with clubs, explosions, etc.) are cited with two mainstream journals.  "In general, the most reliable sources are peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers."
Because the statements are cited, and cited by two journals published by respected publishing houses, you should not remove them.  If you wish to provide an alternative timeline of what happened and when, write some sentences, provide good inline citations, and let the readers judge for themselves what to believe.
Wikipedia will be better off if you do that, and your edits will be more believable and credible to readers if you follow these rules.  Thanks!!!  - Tim1965 02:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop making deleations of cited stuff, and adding uncited stuff

message: User 173.52.182.27, thanks for your Sept. 13 contributions to this article. However, anyone can claim to be an organizer for the CSWA.  Since your identity cannot be verified, those changes can't be retained in the article.  In part, they constitute original research which Wikipedia does not permit.  In part, they are not verifiable, which Wikipedia also requires.  I very strongly encourage you to read Wikipedia's guidelines on citing sources, find sources which support your edits, and re-add those edits along with inline citations to the sources.  That would not only meet Wikipedia's guidelines, but also help make the article much improved!  Thank you!! - Tim1965 (talk) 13:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: September 13 changes

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