Talk:Voydan Popgeorgiev – Chernodrinski

message: Vojdan ^ernodrinski
 
Vojdan pop Georgiev e roden vo s.Selci vo 1875 godina kako edno od pove}eto deca na selskiot kmet, na podocne`niot sve{tenik Georgi Slavkovkovski. Negoviot tatko rano ja zabele`al qubovta kon knigata na maliot Vojdan pa zatoa se obiduva da mu ovozmo`i {to pokvalitetno {koluvawe.Pod nasilni~ki okolnosti toj zaedno so svoeto semejstvo moral da go napu{ti svoeto selo i da zamine za Ohrid kade go prodol`il svoeto obrazovanie.Potoa se zapi{al vo Solunskata gimnazija, no vo ovoj ubav grad ne se zadr`al dolgo.Tatko mu zaminal vo Sofija i go povikal sinasi da go prodol`i obrazovanieto tamu.Tuka u~el no i aktivno u~evstval i vo Mladata makedonska dru`ina.Spored najnovite arhivski dokumenti, Vojdan go dooformil srednoto obrazovanie vo Srbija! Pravnite nauki gi zapo~nal vo Grac,a gi prodol`il vo Bern,no studiite ne gi zavr{il.So cel da se povrze {to pocvrsto do Makedonija toj tamu pobaral u~itelsko mesto, i bil nazna~en za u~itel vo s.Mogila Bitolsko.U~itelstvuvaweto ne traelo dolgo,potoa pak se vra}a vo Sofija kade {to po dolgi problemi uspeal da ja postavi na scena svojata prva drama-Makedonska Krvava Svadba na 7 noemvri 1900.
Tuka ja oformuva svojata dramska trupa Skrb i uteha a podocna i do promena vo "Stoli~en makedonski Teatar".Aktivno sprotivstavuvaj}i se na site onie koi se obiduvale da go spre~at vo izvedbata toj se opredelil za literaturna a ne voena dejnost, potiknuvaj}i gi site onie koi se obiduvale da go stavat makedonskiot zbor na scena.Po dolga borba toj sepak se izboril za povtorno da se stavi na repertoarot i Makedonska krvava svadba koj bil izvedena duri i vo Kosinec -Kostursko.
Nekolku godini podocna e mobiliziran vo Balkanskite vojni a podocna i vo prvata svetska vojna.Svedok na raspar~uvaweto na svojata zemja toj se povlekuva vo Sofija i ostanuva tamu se do krajot na svojot `ivot do 1951.
Negoviot kni`even opus e mo{ne {irok pokraj impozantnoto delo Makedonska Krvava Svadba toj gi napi{al i dramskite tekstovi:Zlo za Zlo,Drvarite, Majstorite,Meanata,Slav Dragota, Na nova godina, Sre{ta i dr.
В Р.Македония, пиесата се радва и на голям издателски интерес – преиздавана е през 1969, 1974, 1975, 1992. Всички тези издания не само успоредяват “македонския говор”, на който Чернодрински е написал текста, със съществуващата езикова норма в Р.Македония, но и внасят редица изменения, които практически променят националната идентификация на персонажите. Още в списъка на действащите лица са внесени изменения, например: Кърста, Петкана – потурчени българки (в редакциите 1900, 1907, 1928); Кърста, Петкана – потурчени рисjанки (в редакциите след смъртта на автора). Всъщност промени са направени в целия текст, навсякъде, където авторът е определял националната принадлежност на персонажите – например ремарките: другите българи уплашени; всичките българи пищят; българите се впущат към турците са заменени със сите изплашени, освен турците; сите пиштат; македонците се нафрлуваат на турците. Във всички реплики, където се среща българска самоидентификация на персонажите, също са внесени изменения или съкращения. Jingby (talk) 13:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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message: A user decided to move the article to the improperly spelled "Vojdan Pop Georgiev- Chernodrinski" without any preceding notification and without trying to get any consensus on this first. Any further moves should be discussed here. Otherwise such behaviour will be considered disruptive. Thank you. --Laveol T 11:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
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message: There's another thing that needs solving. His name: was he born as Pop Georgiev or Popgeorgiev. Sources lean to the latter, but some insight into this might be helpful. I'll try and find something myself. --Laveol T 18:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In the past the name was "pop Georgiev", as all the "pop" family names, which in the present is written as Popgeorgiev. If you consider to move the article, just see what's more "popular" and move it. As far as I see from the sources the most popular is "Vojdan Chernodrinski". --StanProg (talk) 14:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but google is no source. I tried to come with a solution counting hits, but they are heavily biased cause of all the news about the modern Macedonian play. We'll leave it like it was in the beginning. It has no diacritics or other confusion symbols. Cheers :) --Laveol T 18:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
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message: Please, spare us the lame edits, classifying him as an Ottoman dramatist. He was from the Slavic ethno-linguistic group self-identifying as Bulgarian, which is what he wrote in his memoirs (or sort of memoirs that is). You'd really need a good justification for such edits. Thank you. --Laveol T 19:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: Did he ever write his name as, "Војдан Поп Георгиев - Чернодрински"? Perhaps he did. If not, then I do not see why it should be included, we might as well have it in Greek since he was educated in that language and promoted by the Oecumenical Patriarchate, and in Ottoman Turkish, since he was born an Ottoman... Obviously I am not in a position to querry his 'Bulgarianess' and 'Macedonianess', just the spelling. Politis (talk) 11:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've seen his grave. It says "Войдан". --Laveol T 12:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

text: despite the fact he never wrote himself that his name is "Војдан Поп Георгиев - Чернодрински" it should still be kept since thats the correct Macedonian grammatical spelling of his name, since voydan is both celebrated in bulgaria and macedonia they purposefully spelled out his name in macedonian and in bulgarian, if you look at other people born from macedonia with bulgarian identity (macedo-bulgarians is what they are known as in the english world) you will see they are both spelled out with bulgarian names and macedonian, since they were bulgarian but also born in macedonia Gurther (talk) 17:25, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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