Talk:Heimosodat

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move to Heimosodat. —Nightstallion (?) 11:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

message: *Support Heimosodat, Oppose Finnic Kinship Wars. Heimosodat is not very common in English, but it's used as the preferred term in encyclopedic entries. Finnic Kinship Wars, while less ambiguous than Tribal wars, seems to be original research. ~ trialsanderrors 22:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The name's for this is quite odd. The term "heimosodat" or "kinship wars" in English are used only by the right-wing radicals or sympathisers as I know as a Finn. The White intelligentsia here used to use that term to pussyfoot the fact that in exception to Estonian civil war, the volunteer Finnish soldiers or civil guards were fighting to expand the arae of the Finnish state - which was sympathious for that - and they were armed by the goverment (Army) or with the blessing of goverment (independent Civil Guards). The radicals titled those small-scale skirmishes as wars for propagandic means - the war bands were no larger than a rifle company (even that size was rare) and they did mostly fight independently without no supreme commander than the platoon/company commander, and they'd like to have more support amongst the folk and the civil guard to expand the minor struggling to a small conquest! I'd say so that the current name is nothing but biased, and should be changed as this project aims to be a good virtual encyclopedia. But what should be a proper, non-biased name? I dunno. Dunno, because these strugglings are never mentioned under same name in Finland (in exception of right-wing sympathizers). The Aunus expedition and the Finnish volunteers' journey to Eesti is the most heard of these, by the reason that these were the only "wars" of those so-called "kinship wars" to have a supreme commander and more troops than a few independent militia platoons and companys outta there. Cheers - "Bassman"--81.175.209.78 (talk) 21:32, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the name, again 

message: The whole discussion above is simply the result of people with a non-fluent, or non-native understanding of English having a negative association with the word tribe. Finns hearing the word tribe immediately associate the word with undeveloped, "tribal", or primitive people. This whole "schism" isn't based on any outside sources and is completely contained to Wikipedia.
The truth of the matter is that both "heimo" and "tribe" have the exact same meaning.
Tribe
:A social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader
::Oxford dictionary
Heimo
:ryhmä sukuja tai klaaneja, joita yhdistää naapuruus, kieli ja kulttuuri. esim. Alkuasukas-, intiaani-, beduiiniheimo. Mustalaisheimo. Kansanheimo. Karjalaisten heimo. Heimon päällikkö.
::Suomi Sanakirja.fi 
JukkaPietila (talk) 17:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The aversion to the word tribe 

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message: I do not think it is actually that fitting to use a full infobox for the mixed bunch of volunteer campaigns or expeditions such as these. If it is used then it needs to be realized that neither the Finnish state (i.e. 'Finland') or the Finnish Suojeluskunta / White Guards as organization took part to the operations. But instead volunteers who were mostly from the Finnish White Guards. Furthermore the volunteers did not do the fighting alone. In Estonia the Estonians did most of the fighting. In Karelia during 1921-22 it were mainly the Karelians themselves who took arms against the Soviets. Also the opposition varied. In early phase it were Karelians (aligned with the Allies), Red Finns (aligned with the Allies), or Allied forces (British, Serbs) opposing the Finnish volunteers. Only later the Soviets but by this time the British were helping the volunteers (for example in Estonia). It is a very mixed and confusing setting so i'm not convinced that using an infobox at least in its current extent would be useful. - Wanderer602 (talk) 04:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox