Talk:Bernard Herrmann

message: Something should also probably be put into the article about the fact that he was apparently an extremely unpleasant person to work with, and got along with practically nobody. Williamb 22:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  His abrasiveness is mentioned in the early life and career section as one of the reasons his future in-laws disliked him. Eudemis (talk) 03:54, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Temper?

message: I wrote in the Trivia section that Fantômas made a remake of the Cape Fear soundtrack... just wanted to let you people know...
--Zouavman Le Zouave 16:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is taken directly from the Smith biography listed in the article and is the most complete listing that I have of Herrmann's concert works. If you know of more, additions would be welcome. Gershwinrb (talk) 11:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll revise it when I get some time. kosboot (talk) 17:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fantômas Remake of Cape Fear Soundtrack 

message: This is a disorganized section, and it conflates Herrmann's biography with Hitchcock.  The particular Wikipedia problem is that the author declared the Torn Curtain score to be Herrmann's best.  That appears to be a personal opinion and should not be in a Wikipedia article. -- kosboot (talk) 13:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Hitchcock Collaboration 

message: I've begun adding to this section. -- kosboot (talk) 13:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio scores 

message: He called them Melodrams, and made a distinction between what he wanted and what a Melodrama is.  So it's not Melodramas, but Melodrams. -- kosboot (talk) 03:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melodrams vs. Melodramas 

message: Does anyone know why his wife died the same day he did?Jeanshirk (talk) 20:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norma Shepherd's death 

message: I'll have to check, but I recall that Herrmann said that no new music was composed for this show, that what little music it had was simply pop songs badly played by the orchestra. -- kosboot (talk) 17:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  War of the Worlds 

message: There is an hour-long talk on 'Film Music: Hitchcock's Psycho', by British academic, Roger Parker, which analyses the music in Psycho: 
http://www.gresham.ac.uk/event.asp?PageId=45&EventId=789 
I think that this would be an very good addition to this page. (I only don't put it up myself as there is a possible conflict-of-interest as I am connected with Gresham College, where the lecture was given).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesfranklingresham (talk • contribs) 13:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External Link Suggestion

message: Sometime in the late 50s or early 60s, Herrmann composed many (possibly hundreds) of short cues for CBS. CBS used them in many programs, which is why some Perry Mason episodes have Herrmann-ish sounding scores, yet his name doesn't appear in the credits.
There's one little bit of Herrmann genius that I've never seen analyzed. In The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit, there's a flashback in which Gregory Peck's character kills a German soldier. In Herrmann's music, you "hear" everything that's going through Peck's mind. It is the single greatest piece of film scoring I have ever heard. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 18:35, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: suggestions for additional material

message: I'm glad the article mentions the confusion with the other Bernard Herrmann, whc conducted a BBC orchestra.  He was quite well known in Britain in the 70s, and the confusion still occasionally crops up.  When the same error was made in a newspaper article a few years ago, the son (or daughter) of the 'other' Bernard Herrmann commented:
"... I would like to put the record straight. The conductor of the NDO was in fact Bernard Herrmann (note the real spelling). Quite a coincidence that the two men pursued musical careers. After conducting the NDO ,Bernard moved to the Midlands where he continued to play with, conduct and arrange for the Midlands Radio Orchestra.  The two Bernards met only once and enjoyed some banter about the rightful recipient of royalty payments! During his career,the English Bernard was a highly respected musician and was best known for his leadership of the NDO and thirty years of conducting the orchestra on the 'Good Old Days'. Still enjoying retirement in the Midlands, Bernard is now 77 years old.  It is true to say that many people made (and still do) the mistake of confusing the two men, their names are spelt identically. The American's lawyers once protested that my father was 'trading' on his name only to discover the coincidence and then retreat. Hope this clarifies the latest confusion." 86.183.226.45 (talk) 16:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Other Bernard Herrmann 

message: As Herrmann graduated in 1930, and DeWitt Clinton moved to the Bronx in 1929, this suggests that he spent his last school year in the Bronx. Bellagio99 (talk) 14:02, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but in a document (that I can't locate at the moment), he describes going to the music store down the street - which pretty much identifies it as Manhattan.  Even if he spent the last year in the Bronx (which I don't believe), the majority of his high school time was on 10th avenue in Manhattan. -- kosboot (talk) 15:55, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I stand corrected; De Witt Clinton was in the Bronx by Sept. 1929 (acc. to NY Times); still that doesn't mean that Bronx should be given primacy over Manhattan, esp. since BH himself mentioned the location in relation to the music store.  -- kosboot (talk) 16:09, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We agree. Some Bronx. Mostly Manhattan. Bellagio99 (talk) 16:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herrmann in the Bronx DeWitt C? 

message: I removed the passage at the end of the Legacy section that stated "100 years after his death in 2011, it is notable that You Tube has over 4,000 entries devoted to Herrmann. These feature excerpts from the movies for which he wrote the scores, along with recordings of his music conducted by himself and by many others."  It's not 100 years after his death and I question whether the YouTube videos are notable at all. Clockster (talk) 10:34, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed; it's like making a judgement based on how many pirate (i.e. illegal) recordings exist. -- kosboot (talk) 11:09, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Passage 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The film came out in September '66. But the cited song, Eleanor Rigby, came out earlier than the film.Dogru144 (talk) 07:17, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence of Fahrenheit 451 score on George Martin dubious

message: I linked the word Jewish on first usage and it was reverted. It is proper to link on first usage in a bio. Please do not revert again. There has been a lot of struggle associated with citing people as Jewish in Wikipedia. On some occasions exceptional proofs have been required, such as confirming attendance at a synagogue with a newspaper article, because a You Tube video of the person stating he is Jewish, wearing a tallis, and singing Deyeinu was deemed insufficient. Even when Jewishness is found in bios, it is Wikipedia custom to resort to awkward locutions -- "born to a Jewish family," "the daughter of Jewish parents," "the child of a Jewish merchant," et cetera -- so that the person's OWN Jewishness is elided in favour of parental Jewishness. In any case, here we have the usual "Jewish family"  notation, and i did not try to change it, merely to link the word on first usage, as is customary. Please let the link stand. Thank you. -- Catherine Yronwode, Jewish, long-time wikipedia editor, and not logged in right now. 75.101.104.17 (talk) 23:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate your concern, and it is one that I share.  However, the mere appearance of one wearing garments associated with Judaism, or that even if one is buried in a Jewish cemetery is not sufficience evidence needed by Wikipedia.  This is because one is drawing an inference from such evidence - which is expressly forbidden by Wikipedia (see WP:NOR). As far as the locution "born to Jewish parents" or similar things, this is due to the inability to concretely define what is Jewish - whether the religion, ethnicity, or some tribal connection. I don't see a resolution to that issue. - kosboot (talk) 23:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Not Jewish in Wikipedia"?