Talk:Traditional Chinese timekeeping

message: The top version of this wiki has some information written in the notes section that sounds either true or jibberish (edited by 64.122.219.100 on 05:13, 1 April 2008). Can someone confirm this? --Albert yusuke (talk) 16:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this logical or jibberish?

message: The article as it is written now speculates that the French Revolutionary time/calendar system would have been successfully adopted if they'd known about the ke/short-quarter-hour. There's no way anyone can make that call, it should be rewritten.
The article also uses the word "unfortunate" which to me suggests an agenda.
:agreed, the tone of the whole article seems wrong to me, ill try to do something about it --gwc 17:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Prefix names and symbols are used with a number of non-SI units (see Chapter 4), but they are never used with the units of time: minute, min; hour, h; day, d. 
--Nike 08:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV + Speculation? 

message: The article references the Shuowen Jiezi" from Xu Shen, "
There are several problems with this citation. First, the quote marks don't seem to make any sense. Second, the Shuowen Jiezi apparently is a dictionary by Xu Shen, not from Xu Shen. Finally, the editor does not say what publisher published the version that was relied on for this article. I've never seen this dictionary, and I don't know if you can just look up ke as you would in a modern dictionary. If not, some directions about how to look up ke would be in order.
I am asking about this because I want to add the reference to the article [Metrication]. Since I don't speak Chinese, I can't do so unless I can find a reliable English translation. --Gerry Ashton 23:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference

message: You cannot class something as a decimal system simply because it has (or had) one ratio of a power of ten. In a decimal system, all the ratios need to be powers of ten. From this article and the Chinese calendar article, it appears that none of the other ratios are powers of ten. Using the logic in this article, we could say that Western time-keeping is septenary because there are 7 days in a week!! -- 203.20.101.203 (talk) 07:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not decimal !! 

message: Orienomesh-w made some major changes. I do not know enough on the subject to judge whether it is an improvement, but there seems to be a translation issue. The grammar is so odd that I find some parts confusing. I don't think that "there're" is a word, and contractions are not appropriate in any case. And the repeated use of "scales" seems to be a mistranslation, as I am unfamiliar with use of the word in this context. Something like "etched markings" seems to be what the editor may have meant, as the article previously stated. However, I am hesitant to fix the grammar, since I don't know enough about the subject.
Another thing that occurs to me, which was retained from the previous version, is that "centiday" is not really a thing, just something once suggested but never adopted as a unit. It might be worth mentioning here, but needs context. --Nike (talk) 06:23, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: == Dual hours ==
I noticed that 12 shi within the article arr transliterated as zi-sh, chou-sh, yin-sh, etc. Please note that the syllable is pronounced shi in Standard Chinese. Hope someone correct the mistake. Super Wang 03:04, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The syllable is absolutely pronounced 'sh'. On the other hand, that sound is written 'shi' in pinyin, which is what Wikipedia should default to. — LlywelynII 21:24, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk regarding "[[Chinese Traditional Time System]]"

message: I noticed that 12 shi within the article arr transliterated as zi-sh, chou-sh, yin-sh, etc. Please note that the syllable is pronounced shi in Standard Chinese. Hope someone correct the mistake. Super Wang 03:04, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The syllable is absolutely pronounced 'sh'. On the other hand, that sound is written 'shi' in pinyin, which is what Wikipedia should default to. — LlywelynII 21:24, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dual hours 

message: * .
has a good treatment of the general system, its use, and some various reforms and their rationales.
 — LlywelynII 21:19, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for future article expansion

message: With all due appreciation to the work that went into it, this article and its companion section at Chinese calendar currently read like the Google Translate version of Time Cube, which is a shame since they are talking about interesting and important topics. The entirety of this article that is not nonsense seems to come from here. That article needs to be used to rebuild this article from the ground up, starting—as Nike mentioned above—with the removal of the WP:OR "translations" of the Chinese terms with oddities like "centiday". 
The article is also clearly in the wrong place. Even if we were using these words (which we shouldn't), the "traditional" should precede the "Chinese" as with TCM and this isn't a proper name that takes all caps. Really, "time system" isn't a thing. It should be Traditional Chinese timekeeping or whatever similar phrasing Cambridge, Oxford, et al. use for describing these systems. — LlywelynII 14:39, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Move and massive cleanup needed

message: I've put in a lot of elbow grease (keyboard grease?) to clean up this page and phrase things in a way that makes sense. I also moved the content from the Chinese calendar article's section on timekeeping to here, to keep the information in one place. I don't speak or read Chinese, but I was able to find sources with a combination of ctrl+f and Google Translate. 
The one section I haven't been able to find any backup for is this one from Chinese calendar: 
I'm assuming this has something to do with the Han-era system, just with another division of time added. I found one Chinese-language article that compares time systems throughout Chinese history, and most have a division of time called "rooster crows" that falls around 03:00. It even indicates that the Huainanzi uses it as a time unit, though I can't find anything on my own. Someone who can actually read Chinese might be able to find a source and explain it. For now, I'm just leaving it here and not within the article.
--A garbage person (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup notes 

message: This can be added back in, but I think that there are enough sources for the major concepts that it can be removed. I've also made sure to add {citation needed} wherever there's a statement I haven't been able to back up.
--A garbage person (talk) 22:29, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed &#123;refimprove&#125; tag 

message: The redirect Centiday has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  1234qwer1234qwer4 22:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Centiday]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]