Talk:She Wore a Yellow Ribbon

message: It is with pity that another social inadequate descends on a simple article and starts trying to fit their view of the cosmos on its purpose. To inform people about the film. Irrespective of whether it matters if the rules are there or not. This is an old film that actually was the starting-out point for many actors who went on to be more famous. Sticking to very narrow criteria is the domain of a fundamentalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.44.218 (talk) 22:53, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refrain from personal attacks, it will not help your argument and can get you banned. Please review the guidelines in WP:FILMCAST and [[WP. WP is not meant to be Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. If there are bit parts for "actors who went on to be more famous", the typical practice is to include those actors in a paragraph after the credited/billed list including citations to reliable sources that indicate [WP:NOTABILITY|notability]] of the actor or the role.AbramTerger (talk) 00:16, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:FILMCAST doesn't seem to say what you state it says. An encyclopedic article should contain information without it being trivia.  Cast members, particularly those which have their own pages, are not trivial additions.Onel5969 (talk) 01:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Case-by-case judgment is needed. It's been a while since I saw this film, so I cannot comment on the prominence of the uncredited parts. But at a minimum, roles that were uncredited need to be labelled as such in the Cast list, which the IP did not do. They might be better placed in Casting section prose, if they're only being included because the actors later became notable. - Gothicfilm (talk) 02:05, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: all roles were credited as per AFI database, see (http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=&Movie=26100) Onel5969 (talk) 03:15, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, all the actors beyond Noble Johnson were uncredited according to both the AFI and IMDb. OS means "Offscreen Credit" at the AFI. - Gothicfilm (talk) 04:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have put the uncredited actors in a paragraph with a citation needed. IMDB, AFI, etc lists are WP:IINFO so do not pass WP:NOTABILITY standards.AbramTerger (talk) 09:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

text: Francis Ford was John's older brother, and a known player long before this film was made. He must have had a brief cameo here for it to be uncredited. One could argue it's notable because it was one of the last times he appeared in one of John's films. - Gothicfilm (talk) 10:09, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that information would be great in the note, if you could source it. I am not opposed to adding the uncredited actors, just adding any uncredited actor without a source or a comment about the notability. I also did some checking on Peter Ortiz and I am removing him unless someone finds a reference for him appearing in this film. He did act in several films and I found a reference citing his work but that makes no mention of this film even though it calls out 2 other Wayne films he acted in: "Peter Ortiz also found work as an actor appearing in Twelve O'Clock High (1949), Spy Hunt (1950), When  Willie Comes Marhing Home (1950), Sirocco (1951), Retreat Hell (1952), Jubilee Train (1954), King Richard and the Crusaders (1954), Son of Sinbad (1955), Seventh Cavalry (1956), and the John Wayn movies Rio Grande (1950) and The Wings of Eagles (1957)." It does not mean he was not in this film, I think it needs a WP:RS to include him.AbramTerger (talk) 11:23, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a citation for Francis and added it, separating it from the uncited uncredited list.AbramTerger (talk) 11:46, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

text: The citation is not there to establish notability, it is there to establish verifiability. Wikipedia has its own notability criteria; basically if an article exists then the subject is de facto notable and the correct route to challenge that assumption is at AfD. Betty Logan (talk) 15:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

text: Even though earlier films did not credit as many actors, typically even with newer films we don't list all the credited actors, only those in the billing block or billed in the film. We add notable credited and uncredited roles (with WP:RS). Finding a citation that indiscriminantly lists everyone that is in the film goes against policy. I found an actual reference that lists some uncredited roles that I hope is a good compromise.AbramTerger (talk) 12:30, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
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message: Shirly Temple  stared, not Joanne Drew 47.204.49.45 (talk) 22:38, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong movie. You're thinking of Fort Apache. Temple wasn't in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. Intothatdarkness 22:58, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shirly Temple  stared, not Joanne Drew