Talk:Scanger/Archive 1

message: My understanding of the article was to help define the term "Scanger" and not categorise it.
I am a Southsider living on the Northside.  From reading the article,  I found that there was no direct assault on either north or south of the liffey.  The article appeared to describe in detail,  together with examples,  the term scanger.
My own view is that the term scanger is a derogoratory term,  and would often be used to insult a person.
Trevor.
I agree, this page explains a phrase, it does not condone it, but article should not be deleted or substancially altered
I believe that this article has no reason to be included in Wikipedia. As a proud Northsider, and someone who would be classed a "scanger" due to my appearance, I have to say that although this article is quite humourous, it is entirely based on opinion. As of yet I am unaware of any hard and fast classification system in Dublin society other than that of snobbery. Anyway, some people like the stench of the streets, it reminds them of who they are.
:Unsigned comment by saluedo
*You could nominate it for deletion - see Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion. 147.114.226.175
*If this is truly a commonly used term, it does merit an article. However, as saluedo stated, it is "entirely based on opinion" at the moment, and needs to be put in a neutral point of view (see WP:NPOV). It should be an article about the term scanger and how it's used, not a personal account of a stereotype. I would edit it myself except I've never heard of the term. --Halidecyphon 08:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Defination

message: I have rewritten and rearranged most of the article.  I have included as much information as possible.  I think it is from a relatively neutral point of view now, and in a logical order.
I removed the reference to "Jaysus, It's F**kin' Freezin'", because I think that this, though humourous, is not a common enough term for inclusion.
I'm not sure whether or not the link to Overheard in Dublin should refer to things overheard specifically of scangers, since on browsing that site, it is just Dubliners in general.
Also, I would like to suggest that any future editors use the spelling with a 'c', - 'scanger' as opposed to 'skanger'.  The latter is rather inelegant looking.  I don't believe there is a standard spelling, but for the sake of continuity, I think using 'scanger' is a rather better idea.  Also, 'skanger' already redirects to here.
:Doshea3 21:34, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: But surely it is "skanger" not "scanger"?--83.71.81.47 5 July 2005 17:43 (UTC)
: Since there is no standard spelling, as far as I am aware, I chose to keep the page as "scanger" and not the rather more unconventional-looking "skanger".  It is really much of a muchness, and "scanger" is just the pick of the two for the article's purpose.  Also, good on whoever had the idea to include "scanger or skanger"! — Doshea3 8 July 2005 17:45 (UTC)
::I have to put in my vote for "skanger" being used as the primary term. The word, and to some extent this article, is primarily humourous, and, as everyone knows, k is the funniest letter in the alphabet. By the way, this article is very good - anyone who worked on it is probably qualified/interested to help out on the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly article, which I'm currently working on.  RMoloney 22:15, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Article

message: While I enjoyed the article immensely and think it should be kept - I can't help noticing a little southside snobbery remaining. The line "if we ignore Tallaght..." as justification for attributing scangerdom to the northside is a little rich! 
You might also have to ignore Inchicore (where I live), Kilmainham, Blubell, Crumlin, Kimmage, Ballyfermot, Ringsend, Ballybrack, Dolphin's Barn, Drimnagh, Rialto, Irishtown, Sallynoggin, Walkinstown, etc etc.
In truth, every Dubliner knows the snobs live on the East side and the scangers live on the West side (show me scangers who can afford to live by the sea and I'll show you a Lotto winner!)
If you manage to avoid the ususal Northside/Southside stereotype, you may have the beginnings of a fine sociological article here...
: Quite.  I tried avoiding the whole north/south issue.  I agree that it's unfair to single Tallaght out alone, so I think it should be removed.  Has anyone any suggestions on how to delicately and unbiasedly mention the common prejudice against Northsiders?
: While I'm editing this page, I thought I'd mention why I removed "or weaagh" at the beginning, if whomever added it is wondering—the "or skanger" part was added simply to show that the spelling with a "c" or "k" is interchangeable (as I mentioned before, titling the article with a "c" spelling was the luck of the draw, even though I think "skanger" is probably more accurate, even without an official spelling).  I added "weaagh" to the "Related Terms" section at the end (despite never having heard that particular term before; I suspect it's a regional variation).  Anyway, just thought I'd mention it in case there was any confusion.
: — Doshea3 20:02, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still a litle biased... 

message: I will probably put this stuff in later if nobody objects.
The appearance section does not mention the wearing of soccer or GAA jerseys.  While there is reference to
the common support of Celtic Football Club later, it should also be mentioned in the appearance section that
a Celtic jersey is a very strong indicator that the individual is a skanger.  The corelation is so strong that
I think it deserves mentioning in the the appearance section.  A Dublin GAA football jersey is also a strong
indicator although the correlation probably isn't as strong.  
Also I would dispute the description of a typical skanger's haircut;  while some don quite "tight" haircuts, many
cultivate a type of fringe which is held onto the forehead using excessive amounts of hair-gel or similar products.
This haircut, I believe, is particular to the indiginous Dublin skanger (while gaining popularity amoung their
breathren in other Irish cities) and deserves mention given that it does not seem to be at all as popular amount
English chavs.  
The other noted feature of the apperance of male skangers is the attempt to grow a mustashe in
adolescence before the density and strength of facial hair growth is sufficient to support such an enterprise.
The result (when combined with acne) is particularly dissagreable.
I also think it's important to apply a more fine grained description of social background and remove or
at least qualify the northside/southside thing.  The term skanger is applied to a broad range of people from
rebellious lower-middle class teenagers (attempting to project violence) to hopeless (and truely violent and
dangerous) long-term heroin addicts.
: I think that including the piece about Celtic and Dublin jerseys is just a tad too much of a generalisation.  While I agree that a lot of scangers wear Celtic or Dublin jerseys, I'd also say that too many non-scangers do also to make it a distinguising feature.  Even though I'd agree that a significant proportion of Celtic jersey-wearers are scangers, I'd say that more non-scangers than scangers would wear Dublin jerseys.
: I had considered mentioning both the fringe and the moustache (in fact, I was sure there was a mention of the latter at some stage), but I seem to not have done so.  I'll leave it up to you, since you mentioned it.
: As far as application of the term to those on the worst rung of the antisocial ladder, I think the term "scanger" is more likely to be used against the mildly violent lower-middle class would-be thugs you mentioned.  Just a thought.
: — Doshea3 19:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Suggestions 

message: The person who wrote this article is clearly entirely unqualified to make sociological observations on Dublin's working class community.
This article emits a malodorous stench of class snobbery and the author of the entry makes a plethora of factual errors. I think they based their false assumptions on a few nighttime excursions on they saw on the Nitelink, as clearly the author has never been on the Northside or indeed much of the Southside for that matter.In fact, the author seems to be largely ignorant of Dublin city as a whole.
Accent, etiquette, dress and civil behavior are largely determined by class, not geography. This is self evident and renders the northside explanation erroneous. There are vast amounts of "scangers" living in the council flats in the salubrious areas of Dublin 4(Ringsend) & 6 (Upper Rathmines Road) for example. The author also chooses to ignore vast swathes of West Dublin like Blanchardstown, Clondalkin,Walkinstown Neilstown,Lucan, Palmerstown in his intellectually lazy and asinine North/Southside divide.
A more appropriate term is "roper", as in short for someone who is ropey, where there actually threat of violence.
But again, this entry should be deleted. It is an ignorant, simplistic and childish piece which tells us nothing of the wider social context of Dublin's working class and it only serves to reinforce class stereotypes. The "social origins" completely ignores any socio-economic factors like wealth distribution, education, equality of opportunity  and on on which may breed such angry young working class men.
For the inegrity of Wikipedia, delete this article now or get a qualified, literate and informed economist or sociologist to submit a more nuanced piece.
: I admit that I wrote a good bit of this article, and tried to properly format and reword certain additions.
: On your observations on the intellectually lazy and asinine North/Southside divide, I don't think you have noticed that a North/South divide is not at all mentioned in the context of the rest of the article.  The only mention I can find is the following:
: Scangers are often considered a phenomenon of Dublin's northside (with northsiders as a whole sometimes generalised this way), but this is not technically true: scangers can be found all over Dublin, and therefore prejudice by southsiders is unfounded. However, if one ignores the southwest Dublin suburb of Tallaght, it could be true to say that the number of scangers is greater in the northside.
: This is actually simply a remark on a common misconception.  (However, I don't actually agree with the statement regarding Tallaght, as I believe I made clear before.)  It does not allude to any supposed real divide of North/South in relation to scangers.
: Also, you seem to find this offensive towards Dublin's working class.  The working class are not targeted at all in this article, it is simply those who could identify with the phenomenon of the scanger.
: I would also like to note that there are authors to this article: it is not the work of one person.  My contribution, apart from some of the main text, was mainly to try to keep the standard of the article (i.e. the grammar, spelling, layout, etc.) high, and to eradicate any obvious discriminations or irrelevancies.
: You said [i]t is an ignorant, simplistic and childish piece which tells us nothing of wider social context of Dublin's working class and it only serves to reinforce class stereotypes.  As I said, it is an article not about Dublin's working class, but about scangers in particular; it is not an attempt to reinforce class stereotypes, since scangers are not a class—however, they are, of course, part of a stereotype.  The purpose of this article is to examine the application of the term "scanger" and the related stereotype.  You may disagree with the idea of exploring a stereotype; however, this is essential in explaining the application of the term.
: The "social origins" completely ignores any socio-economic factors like wealth distribution, education, equality of opportunity and on on which may breed such angry young working class men.
: Yes, I agree.  That section needs development; however, I do not believe that my knowledge is sufficient to expand that way, so I shan't do it.
: For the inegrity of Wikipedia, delete this article now or get a qualified, literate and informed economist or sociologist to submit a more nuanced piece.
: I don't believe that this article deserves to be deleted; I have attempted to make it as unbiased as possible, but nonetheless others may take elements as biased which I fail to notice.  None of the editors of this article, I would guess, would claim to be qualified sociologists.  (I reject your idea of an economist, since as I already said, this article has nothing to do with the working class; regardless of whether a large proportion of scangers would belong to the working class or not, I believe you would offend the whole working class by implying that an article about "scangers" is an indication of them.)  I don't believe that any of the editors whose contributions were not deleted (or maybe edited) by me or others deliberately set out to create an "offensively crass and ignorant" article.
: Also, what was your intention in your inclusion of the word "literate" in the above quote?  I find that, and I believe others will, along with your accusatory manner, quite disrespectful.  There was no need to be so gratuitously insulting; if you were offended by the article, then that is because I presume you took umbrage needlessly.  This article's intention, as I stated, was to explore the term and its stereotype; it is not intended as insulting (or wryly humourous, for that matter).  (I gave up trying to prune the article a while ago, since I believed I was acting too much like a nanny, so I don't necessarily agree with some of the dubious additions intended to be semi-humourous.)
: If anything I wrote (and I'm sure the other contributors feel the same) insulted you, then I apologise, though as I said, no offence is intended.
: — Doshea3 19:38, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offensively crass and ignorant 

message: In reality, scangers are to be found in any urban area where "estates" (local authority housing) are located.
Even though this is probably true, it still appears to generalise those who live in local authority housing.  After all, there are scangers in more "up-market" areas, too.  Any ideas? — Doshea3 21:56, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a little POV point 

message: I made an attempt to categorise these terms as well as I could, including the region they originate, the level of offence they may cause, etc.
I'd appreciate if anyone editing this article, or adding new terms, would do their best to include some information about the terms, since it adds a lot to the overall understanding.
Also, I'd ask please if people would refrain from including terms used to refer exclusively to Travellers.  The term "knacker" deserves a mention only because in some places "knacker" also implies "scanger" (sometimes moreso than "Traveller").  So the bottom line is, only include terms here that refer to the phenomenon of scangers/chavs.
Thanks. — Doshea3 22:53, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Related Terms" 

message: I thought that stood for "Fuck The Pope" rather than "Fuck The Provos"...? Demiurge 11:26, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I'm not at all sure, this sort of loyalist graffiti is often related to Catholicism.  I'd probably vouch for Pope over Provos (!) only because it would be more likely that graffitists would write "Fuck the IRA". — Doshea3 15:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  FTP 

message: Imagine the confusion of foreigners bewildered by the roving gangs people dressed in such a similar manner, drenched in machismo and nylon - surely they would want to know what a skanger is. It is indeed a worthy article, excellently even-handed. 
One point, you might do well to address the phenomenon of people of distinctly middle-class backgrounds appropriating the scanger/skanger (should be 'K' I think) stereotype with their own particular additions - e.g., salon haircuts imitating David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, etc.
: Ah, good point—upper-class scangers!  And regarding scanger/skanger, the more I see it, the more I think that it should indeed be "skanger".  Hmm. — Doshea3 15:36, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worthy of Encyclopaedia 

message: I added the cleanup tag, since I think there is a lot of unnecessary information and also grammar/punctuation mistakes making its way into the article.  I don't have time to do much about it at the moment, but I shall do my best to help out later.
Anyone who is wondering, I removed that image of "Scangers on a Dublin street", since it was a suspected copyright violation.
— Doshea3 21:34, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I think the "Scumbag" paragraph is far too POV.  Unless it can be NPOVed, it should probably be removed altogether.  Also, I haven't yet got around to editing the "Scangers around Ireland" paragraph, since, being a Dubliner, I'm not as well up on the regional variations as others.  It could do with some tidying up, and less of a jeering tone.  What do you all think? — Doshea3 19:00, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done.  (You're welcome, Pete. :) )  In fact, regarding the "Scangers around Ireland" paragraph, I think that it should either be separated into separate sections for every region—say, one for each county.  There's a lot of rubbish in there, too.  After all, we're primarily making an article about scangers: the others require merely anecdotes on this page—anyone with enough material can make their own article, if necessary. — Doshea3 21:16, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Despite the fact that an article such as this may excite the bandwagonists and allow them to unleash myriad condemnation along the lines of ‘class snobbery’, most, nonetheless, blatantly miss the point. 
The fact that ‘scanger’ is a stereotype is clearly stated throughout the entire article. In no way does this article alledge that the term ‘scanger’ is anything more than a stereotype. Mentioning that ‘scangers are often associated with anti-social behaviour’ is not the same as declaring that ‘all scangers engage in anti-social behaviour’. The accusers of ‘class snobbery’ here clearly insult their own intelligence by going even further to equate ‘scangers are often associated with anti-social behaviour’ with something similar to ‘all nothsiders engage in anti-social behaviour’.
This article serves to describe a stereotype and nothing more. It happens to be a stereotype which many Irish people often encounter in some form or another. But it is nothing more! I can understand that idleness and boredom can leave people with little better to do then complain for the sake of complaining, but this is really just pointless. I am dumfounded that one of the above criticisms accuses the article as being childish for not representing the ‘wider social context of Dublin’s working class’. How, in god’s name, can one expect an article entitled ‘Scangers’ to deal with the dynamics of the socio-economic situation in Ireland! Now who's really being childish?
It’s quite simple, this article is as valid as a ‘poshos’ one, or a ‘D4 girls’ one, or a ‘jock’ one. It attempts to explain a stereotype and best represent the general understanding of its common expression. It does not try to redefine the label to what ‘it should be’ or anything of the sort. To equate a Wikipedia article about ‘scangers’ with one about a less stereotypical, more concrete, acceptable label for a social grouping (such as a geographical one) is the epitome of bandonwagonist ignorance.
: My thoughts exactly, and very well said. — Doshea3 18:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hilariously ridiculous criticism 

message: A reasonable person could assume that any or all of the traits described in the article are directly applicable to the youths in the picture.
Their features are clearly visible and they could be recognised on the street from this picture. 
This could be libellous as - you never know - one of them might have a reputation to defend. 
If this were a printed encyclopaedia they could take publishers, editors and distributors to court. What if a potential employer saw it and they didn't get a job?
: Ah, but then would not an employer be guilty of discrimination against Skangers? --Irishpunktom\talk 11:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Juxtaposition of text and picture

message: I removed the following chunk about Limerick:
:One troubling difference that Limerick shams have to their Dublin and Cork brethren is their emulation of American gang culture. Due to the popularity of Gangsta rap, many Limerick shams organise themselves into violent street gangs, where possession of a firearm is imperative. These highly territorial youths regularly perform drive-by shootings on rival gangs. Teenagers as young as sixteen are said to have been responsible for a drive by shooting that killed a man in 2002. A 17 year old Limerick gang member was also the only person to ever use an AK-47 automatic rifle in a non-paramilitary instigated Irish crime.
Gun violence in Limerick has very little to do with "emulation of American gang culture" or "territorial youths".  The text above gives the impression that the violence in Limerick is simply a more extreme form of "skanger culture" rather than the byproduct of organised crime. --Ryano 11:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limerick 

message: I suggest the removal of the mention of tabloid newspapers (this is where the article tries to stereotype working class people), the mention of rhyming slang. Also, I would like if the article tended towards scangers being defined by their anti-social behaviour rather than something they sometimes do. In stereotype-land, you never meet a nice scanger, but there's lots of lovely people with caps at improbable angles. I'm not trying to sound ironic. Also, I'm trying to figure out why old people refer to scangers as teddy boys. I think this article should be kept, but it still needs a lot of work (scaling down?) --Shane t 01:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of non scanger-specific traits

message: Are skangers really known for wearing Burberry? I can't recall ever having seen one, and I always thought it was much more of a British chav thing...212.2.181.69 02:23, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burberry 

message: This probably doesn't need to be added to the article, since the article deals with an Irish subculture and I'm talking about Irish-American culture, but I thought it might be interesting none the less.  I'm an Irish-American (family came over in 1858, fought for the Union in the Civil War, were free to practice Catholicism, etc., etc.) and we, like all ethno-religious groups, have our own little culture with its own peculiar vernacular, phrases, slang and so on.  One of them, similar to "mook," is "skanger."  It's different from the Irish version in that it refers to someone who is basically just "white trash" (specifically Irish white trash and not WASP) instead of a member of a specific subculture.  However, it's still similar because the average skanger over here would be an uneducated, low-class guy whom smokes pot (constantly), listens to hip-hop, is probably on Welfare and/or SSI and all that jazz.  Also, 'skanger' is spelled with a "k" in the US.
Anyway, I just thought you fellas might find it interesting.  I, personally, am fascinated by how two nigh-identical words describing the same general concept (white trash) seem to have sprung up independently of each other, as I've heard people described as "skangers" since I was a kid (I'm 22 now).  Also, I've never heard the word used by WASPs or any other non-Irish; it seems to be a purely Irish-American thing.
EDITED TO ADD:  I forgot to mention this before, but Irish skangers in the US are also strongly identified with drug-dealing, especially prescription meds.  A classic skanger would be a guy I know named Jerry who lives on Welfare and Disability and makes money by buying/selling bottles of Vicodin, Xanax, Oxycontin, Percocet, etc., amongst his circle of skanger friends.  They all live on the dole on the fringes of society, smoking pot and popping pills.  Now that I think of it, they really *are* more of a specific subculture rather than generic Irish white trash, just not a well-defined subculture. ChildeRolandofGilead 20:05, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish-American Slang 

message: I do not really know whether or not this appropriate for an encyclopaedia, but it very cleverly describes the common perception about the subject (in this case, Scangers). I moved to Dublin more than two years ago and I must confess I was completely shocked about how in Ireland there are genuine ghettoes of Irish people. I think this is a consequence of particular policies and must be corrected. Regarding this Wikipedia article, I wonder if there are any scholarly studies on the matter. If there are, even if they do not use the term “scanger”, should they be referenced?
Very unlikely they use the term "scanger". I bet the TCD sociology department have done studies...
--Jasonm 18:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: :The Article is very funny but it is still basically a piece of anti-Skanger opinion.
:Also I'm from Clondalkin and I have never in my life heard the term Skanger used to refer to a man (we would call him a "Scumbag" or "Youngfella" or something), where I live Skanger is only used for Girls (basically Identical to "Slapper"). Actually "Skanger" is not very common at all in my area, we almost always say Scumbag, so Skanger is not universally used which must be emphasized.
:Also the Accent section is sort-of incorrect in saying that terms like "Story bud?" or "Youz" are only used by "Skangers", almost everybody in Dublin uses at least some of these phrases (except in posh areas of the south side obviously).
:This Line is not particularly funny, fairly inaccurate and pretty offensive also "This greatly contrasts with that of the alpha male whose mother is likely to have given birth in a post office, thus facilitating the receiving of child benefit at the earliest possible stage." Everybody gets Child benefits this makes it sound like only "Skangers" would get them, I think it should be removed.
:Just in-case you're wondering, no I don't really consider myself a Skanger or Scumbag but I have grown up with them and most of my friends are at least a little bit like that, surely there must be something positive to be said for them in the article.
:--Hibernian 05:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article but still pretty POV

message: I'm a non-Irish person who has lived in Dublin for the best part of a decade and spent a great deal of time in Dublin's anti-social northside milieu. In my experience the term "knacker" (not in the Irish traveller sense, but in the scanger-ish sense) seems to be much more commonly used than "scanger". Certainly scanger-types seem more likely to refer to other scanger-types as "knackers" than as "scangers". My question: are "knacker" (in the general sense) and "scanger" simple synonyms, or is there a difference? I would even like to see a "knacker vs. scanger" section in the article. Otherwise, great work on this article, though I'd like to see some sources if possible. Babajobu 08:46, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scanger vs. knacker

message: I think we should do it. That would bring it in line with the Indo's usage, and others, and has been suggested by more than one person on this talk page. Unless there is an objection, I'm going to move it. Babajobu 17:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving this article to "skanger"

message: This article could have been titled "Culture of the Irish Urban Underclass". 'Skanger' could have been listed as a slang term for this group. I live in Dublin and I see the content of the article as sociologically accurate and useful. The humour is OK as wikipedia is meant to be entertaining.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Curtains99 (talk • contribs) 
:A title like "Culture of the Irish Urban Underclass" sounds much more appropriate. I would like to suggest that we formally move it to that (or something similiar). --Jason (talk) 00:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is controversial because of the title and the humorous tone

message: I don't think the urban dictionary really should qualify as a reference. And where is it stated that the movie "Spin the Bottle" is about Scangers? --Jason (talk) 00:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you seen the movie 'Spin the Bottle'? It depicts people portraying many of the traits listed in this article. I listed UrbanDictionary as a reference to show that the term skanger was in use before this article was written. Why would it not qualify as a reference? Jason, thanks for your helpful comments on my user page. Curtains99 00:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I wasn't suggesting that it doesn't. It would just be nice to see a reference that states that it does rather than just saying that it does, if you know what I mean. --Jason (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Moved from main page:
"This is nonsense. The Monk settled wasn't a drug dealer he was an armed robber. he is now retired and drives a Dublin taxi. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of Dublin street life knows that - this Scanger crap is the snobbish fantasy of a South Dublin twit." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.88.147 (talk • contribs) 
* Correct re. The Monk. I've removed this comment from the main article- Ali-oops✍ 17:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monk 

message: I read through the Skanger page and didn't find it remotely funny or informative.
In my opinion it's just a typical example of ignorant bar-stool humour. If people feel the need to hurl abuse then they should do so in on-line forums devoted to slanging. An on-line encyclopedia like Wikipedia should not be used as a platform for such rubbish.
A statement such as the following is no way intended to be funny but rather to be very insulting towards those who need social welfare assistance :
"This greatly contrasts with that of the alpha male whose mother is likely to have given birth in a post office, thus facilitating the receiving of child benefit at the earliest possible stage"
The inclusion of this page is an insult to Wikipedia. It should be deleted.
Hobo chang ba 21:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reformatted the above so it didn't look like seperate section. I agree with the editor. The sentence about being born in a post office a\is total rubbish unless there is some proof of this. So I removed "most likely due to his self-inadequacy and self-pity stemming from an over loving mother and father. This greatly contrasts with that of the alpha male whose mother is likely to have given birth in a post office, thus facilitating the receiving of child benefit at the earliest possible stage." As you can see I also removed the self pity nonsense. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:19, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete this drivel from Wikipedia  

message: This is a good article, but I am suprised that no mention has been made of what must be one of the scanger's most identifying behavoiurs - smoking down the back of the bus!  (and violently threatening anybody who asks them to stop!)  Anybody who thinks that the scangers mentioned in this article don't exist or anybody who wants to experience them up-close-and-personal need only hop on any Dublin bus and head upstairs towards the blue cloud at the back!
* Preferably the 17A! - Ali-oops✍ 20:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smoking down the back of the Bus