Talk:Latte

message: *No, a latte shouldn't be made by "pouring milk and coffee simultaneously," as lattes are usually made with espresso, not regular coffe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.51.198.28 (talk • contribs) .
:Espresso is a type of coffee, and the artic(RFC)</FONT>]] 12:03, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Coffee vs. espresso

message: *I removed the references to Australia and New Zealand, because being served a latte in a glass (with a napkin tied around it) or in a bowl is by no means unique to that part of the world.  Skeezix1000 14:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bowls and napkins

message: *...and the beverage is in italian correctly written in one word, tied with an extra 'l': caffèllatte ...according to a barista in Firenze -  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.191.126.166 (talk • contribs) .
:According to the Italian Dictionary it's either caffellatte or caffelatte  --151.44.143.92 14:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: I think it'd be worth mentioning that this is the stereotypical yuppie drink. -- LGagnon 02:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, definitely. In Scandinavian politics "the cafe latte segment" is in fact a common, sarcastic term for high educated, trendy, holier-than-thou voters. Medico80 09:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yuppies

message: Where does the accent in some instances of the word in the article come from? To me it looks like trying to "frenchify" the Italian term somehow. I'm not American, can someone please verify if Latté is indeed a common spelling? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.151.80.14 (talk • contribs) .
:"Latte"  is as above mentioned, the italian word for milk. No accent  -neither 'grave'  nor  'aigu'  should be above the e in this word. You may pronounce it wrong, but don't write it incorrect. The e should be very  'short'  in italian. In american, I believe, you pronounce it 'La-teyy'.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by kaffelars (talk • contribs) .
::Even in french, you would not put an accent there. Latte simply means milk, it's not an adjective or a participle. Anonymous passer-by.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.142.46.22 (talk • contribs) .
:::I think the "French" comment has to do with the fact that if you tried to pronounce the word "latte" as though it were a French word, it would have just one syllable.
:::The latté spelling is common, and irritating.  It's as bad as "habañero" or "Türing". --Trovatore 02:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Has anyone actually seen lattè? I'm not convinced that errors on top of errors are encyclopedic... Xcrivener (talk) 10:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "You may pronounce it wrong, but don't write it incorrect." You may also pronounce it wrongly, but don't write it incorrectly! Neilinabbey (talk) 16:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I live in the UK and when you go to coffee shops it's always spelt "latte" with no accents. However it's regularly pronounced "lartay" by native English speakers. After checking Italian pronunciations of the word at https://forvo.com/word/latte/#it it seems Italians pronounce the word in various ways. (I wish Forvo would tell you which part of Italy each speaker is from, that would be useful information). Plus there's the added issue that "latte" in Italian simply means "milk", not a coffee with milk, that would be a "caffè latte" (literally: milky coffee, coffee with milk).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.65.63 (talk) 22:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Latte, Latté, Lattè

message: Hummm , "Caffe Latte", the beverage not the "word" is not italian , even of course is very popular in Italy .  Americans only think is Italian, cause they know Italy much more than all the other countries, lol . U heard about Italy and France, and thinks that everything from Food (& Recipes) , comes from Italy and France . Rubbish (sorry) .  The same, in literature, to France and Germany !! (im wrong?)  And then, u put french and italian names, in everything, lol . Just pure non- sense . I'm Portuguese, and what u called "caffe latte", and then many names in french etc, and many theories, etc,  in my country have all these names , such : 
"garoto ", " galão" , "meia de leite", "cimbalino", etc etc .. This, are just the most important types of "caffe latte", in my country ,Portugal . Imagine the others .  Sorry, but i will not tell why its drinked in what u called "china"  (but ITS NOT BY "TRADITION" ) , but have everything to do with "coffee", "milk", and incredibly (LOLOLOL) with Portugal . (that was a tip) 
I am Mediterranean, European, consumer, I even used to have a restaurant, I know History , etc etc . My name is Paulo Quintela, and i am here >   http://partidaritenao.blogs.sapo.pt/ , (in Portuguese, and serious subjects) , so im not anonymous . All the best to you , all ...  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.193.134.80 (talk • contribs) .
:Dear Paulo, I did not quite understand you  :)  But indeed, the word "caffellatte"  is italian, and  -as I believe you state here, the beverage did not originate in Italy. True. But it did not come to Portugal until after it had been a common drink in Italy and France and Spain.The portoguese imported coffee from their colonies just as the french and the spanish did, and the italians has imported coffee longer than any other european country. But it was in Austria the continental "café" traditions developed  -in Vienna- , and it is believed it was there someone for the first time served publically coffee with milk in it  -as a speciality drink-.But it was the french who made it popular, and thus the demand for better equipment to serve coffee rapidly and in larger numbers in the popular cafés in larger cities, resulted in larger coffee machines in the 1800's. The italians improved these during the first half of the 1900's, and almost patented the idea itself. Good espresso machines spread from Italy to France to Spain and Portugal.  In most of Italy, parts of the french riviera and in Spain, many coffee drinks are served in smaller or larger glasses; I understand that is also the tradition in Portugal. Thus, the beverage named  'caffellatte' (and even more, the cappuccino!) grew in popularity  -and the way the italians modernly made it with their new improved espresso machines after the war   -the idea was sold to cafés all over quite soon. The french first served their beverage as  'café au lait', but now commonly names it 'café crème' (Grand Crème if served large). There is a common misunderstanding that  'café au lait' is a french term used for regular coffee and warm milk being served in cafés. At their homes they may call it this, as the italians would call the same beverage made on their kitchen stove 'caffèllatte'. But as in Italy, you won't find regular coffee (from drip coffee makers) in public cafés anymore. They all have espresso machines. And although you may ask for  'café au lait' in a french café, what the waiter writes down (or shouts to the barista) is 'un créme!' :)The term has been borrowed, though, and here in Norway, a 'café au lait'  -in a café - is the same as a caffèllatte. People are confused, and some say the french word is used when you serve it in a white china bowl, while the italian word is used when you serve it in a tall glass. There is no true answer  -and it does not matter that much. The spanish use their own language: "cafe con leche" (and the catalans in Barcelona use their term "café amb llet"). In Germany, though, a "Milchkaffee" isn't quite the same beverage. But the idea is more or less the same: coffee and milk. A translation sounds silly in norwegian  :)  -just as in menus worldwide, a traditional dish is more specified when named in its presumed original language. A "boillabasse" cannot be translated without losing its identity. English  "fish'n chips" has to be presented just like that. 'Cappuccino'  is often written differently (capuchino?), but there is no way to translate that.(You may try to translate the word 'spaghetti' to your own language.).I digress hehe. Did I answer any question? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.217.29.234 (talk • contribs) .
:A tool such as Wikipedia is useless if those that write entries do not research first...  The latte, or cafe latte, or caffe latte (excuse the lack of accents where applicable) was invented in 1959 by the owner of Cafe Mediterraneum in Berkeley, CA.  The Med, while a little run-down, is still an operating cafe today.
::Caffellatte is not a well-known name in Italy. It is difficult to find published sources for this kind of information, but speak Italian and have tried to order a caffellatte in several cities around Italy, only to get a "what do you mean?" stare from the barista. My Italian friends thought that the drink is probably of international (perhaps American?) origin and has not gained that much popularity in Italy. The closest thing you see on the menus is latte macchiato, which is a glass of hot milk with a small dash (much less than in a typical latte) of coffee. Ruupert (talk) 17:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Glass, Caffe Latte, etc  

message: Is it really appropriate to refer to anything as "the 'gay' drink", regardless if quotation marks are employed?  It seems this is the exact opposite of NPOV...
Article text:  "Latte is also reffered to as the 'gay' drink by many people due to its high milk content and the sweet taste in comparison to something much more bitter like a black coffee." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.145.89.123 (talk) 14:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Text removed.  It was not sourced.  Skeezix1000 15:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Innappropriate language 

message: I'm not sure where to put this, but this article is full of mis-information about Lattes.  It discusses "Starbucks style" lattes, and describes them as American.  This is not true - a proper american latte is the same as the Australian flat white.  If it does not contain microfoam, and is not blended in a certain way, it is not a latte as understood in good american coffee houses - ie just about anywhere in seattle  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlesaf3 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Misinformation

message: What in US is called 'Latte' could be either a contraption of 'Caffèlatte' (or 'caffèllatte', for gramatically reasons the 'l' should double) or a 'Latte Macchiato', both made with the basic two ingredients: coffee and milk. In Italy, milk'n'coffee is nothing else than a classic traditional breakfast beverage as in many other countries: a big cup, mug or bowl filled up with warm milk and a shot of hot coffee (made with a traditional 'manual' moka, the amount of a shot equals a typical small espresso cup). This is great to dip in breakfast cookies or a whole cornetto (Italian equivalent to croissant).
The bar version is more elegant, filled in a long glass since milk (hot or cold) is primarily served in a glass. (By the way, in the public, dipping something into the cup is considered rather rude, therefore a glass helps you to observe bon ton). Another point is the sequence: 'caffèlatte' made at the bar demands commonly fresh brewed espresso coffee first (no moka nor filter coffee served in Italian bars!) and then hot milk added (with or without foam, that's up to the bartender or to your own taste - there is no real rule... Only cappuccino requires foam otherwise it couldn't be called 'cappuccino') and rarely it is milk first and then coffee added. The reason is simple: if you pour a shot of (fresh or cold) coffee into (hot or cold) milk, you would 'stain' the milk, and therefore you get a Latte Macchiato. (Similarly, if you'd add a drop of milk into your espresso, you would call it 'caffè macchiato').
The difference in taste between latte macchiato and a caffèlatte is of relevant importance, according to the purists, mostly because caffèlatte is always done with fresh and warm ingredients whereas latte macchiato can be done with cold milk and fresh hot coffee or warm milk with cold (i.e. set) coffee.
And also of most relevant importance: both versions (along with the cappuccino) are still today considered 'morning beverages'. However, if your espresso coffee during your afternoon is too strong, and your 'macchia' is not big enough, Italians prefer a cappuccino rather than a 'caffèlatte'.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markus Firenze (talk • contribs) 11:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Markus Firenze that English "latte" likely comes from "latte macchiato", a beverage tipical of bars (and served in glass), rather than from "caffelatte", which is tipically homemade or served in hotel breakfasts. Lele giannoni (talk) 15:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caffè latte VS Latte macchiato 

message: What does this expression mean? It's not defined and does not have a citation. Recommend deletion. Wakablogger2 (talk) 07:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  defined international coffee menu 

message: A "Twisted-Elk" is specifically a double-tall-non-fat-sugar-free-vanilla latte.  At starbuck's, two-pumps of sugar-free vanilla will not overwelm the coffee's flavor, their standard three-pumps will.  To make sure you only get two shot of flavor, call it a two-point Twisted-Elk.
Something more special, but perhaps not to be had everyday, is a "Full-Moose".  A "Full-Moose" is a tall mocha made with whole-milk and whipped cream.  Seattle's Best makes a good one and even adds a long thin chocolate bar on top of the whipped cream.
Want something smaller, then the white-tail or black-tail deer would be the choice.  These are the eight-ounce versions of the Latte or Mocha respectivly.
Enjoy your coffee and order them by the Northwest Names.
Donn2n (talk) 23:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common latte and mocha names (or not so common) 

message: The article claims 1/3 espresso to 2/3 steamed milk and 5 mm of foam:
"Outside Italy, a caffè latte is typically prepared with approximately 1/3 espresso and 2/3 steamed milk, with a layer of foamed milk approximately 5 mm (¼ inch) thick on the top."
In my experience in the US, the most typical latte is a single tall, which means one shot of espresso plus enough milk to make 12 ounces. A shot of espresso is typically one ounce, making the drink one-twelfth espresso and 11-twelfths milk. Eight-ounce and 16-ounce lattes are also common, as are lattes made with two or three shots of espresso.
Is there a reason for believing the 1/3 & 2/3 ratio to be typical outside of Italy? 
Additionally, the foam can be anywhere from none to 10 mm or so depending on the customer's request, the barista and the coffee shop's policy. Is there reason to believe the 5 millimeters to be typical outside of Italy? Wakablogger2 (talk) 00:57, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  espresso to milk ratio 

message: The citations missing tag seems out of date.  There may be elements of the article that still require better sourcing, but there are numerous citations that appear inline.  The general citations missing tag seems like a blunt instrument for dealing with specific issues regarding sourcing.  Simply adding the  tag would be more helpful to potential editors.  Barring objections, I will remove the general tag (unless someone else gets around to it first).  
LUxlii (talk) 20:39, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations missing tag 

message: i'm removing it since it's an inaccurate representation of what steamed milk should be. frankly that's like the ugliest steamed milk i've ever seen. i'm not familiar with the guidelines regarding what images are allowed to be added to an article, but i hope you can find a better one easily. just a head's up. 75.45.185.223 (talk) 19:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  steamed milk pic 

message: The newly created "Politics and Reputation of Latte Drinkers" section has several problems.  It seems to be non-neutral and likely represents original research.  The first paragraph cites examples of the right using latte-drinking as a derisive term.  Published yes, but it is not a published account of the phenomenon, it is a published example.  The authors are then synthesizing that it is a phenomenon, and a popular one.  The second paragraph now contains a "quote" ( "left-wing intellectual urban elitist liberal snob") which is not found in the source.  It is, it seems, a quote of something said earlier on Wikipedia, put in quotes perhaps to make it seem more objective.  Third paragraph lacks any citations.  I suggest it is best removed entirely. --TeaDrinker (talk) 23:01, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'debate' appears to be settled that the section is inappropriate. With two editors seeming to suggest it is removed and only one in support. I also agree that the section is irrelevant and not at all proven by the sources given. That appears to make the thing unequivocally unanimous. So out it goes. BarbarellaTwo (talk) 16:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  2 to 1 is not "unanimous". I'll agree with Carpet Crawler and say that latte-sippers are synonymous in North American politics with leftist bleeding-heart elitists. Populist politicians always avoid being seen with a Starbucks or some fancy coffee cup. They pop into the local diner, or a chain such as Dunkin Donuts or Tim Hortons. That makes it 2-2 and hence the section will be restored.WilliamBurn 166 (talk) 03:09, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  And 2-2 makes it controversial and does not mean the resolution is to publish it as-is. The problem with this section is how it's worded. It expresses an opinion, rather than discussing it in a factual way. Take, for example, the article on Arugula—it factually states that eating arugula had been used as an attack to call politicians elitists, but it itself doesn't actually call those politicians elitist. I've changed the language to be more factual and less opinionated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crichton91 (talk • contribs) 11:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political views section 

message: Latte#Caffè latte vs. latte macchiato includes "A caffè macchiato is about 0 imp fl oz; 0 US fl oz (4 mL)...". The total volume is 4 milliliters?? A lot of the text is unsourced. I just fixed some converts added in recent edits, and took the easy path of putting mL first, which it how it was originally. If someone can fix the 4 mL claim, you might omit "|order=flip". I used usoz as the output unit because showing both impoz and usoz looks ugly here. Johnuniq (talk) 04:42, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volume measurements 

message: Kenneth David maintains that "...breakfast drinks of this kind have existed in Europe for generations, but the (commercial) caffè version of this drink is an American invention".
I started hanging around Italy in 1967, and caffellatte was available in commercial establishments then, distinct from cappuccino and latte macchiato. The Italian Wikipedia entry for caffellate says it's consumed "frequentemente sia a casa sia al bar", with no mention of appearing in the latter being American in origin. It has long been especially common as part of hotel breakfasts, including places where Americans and other foreigners seldom show up. Can someone verify when/how/where the supposed American invention hit Italian bars? If not, I propose deleting what very much seems to be misinformation. 47.32.20.133 (talk) 00:31, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very dubious claim: the (commercial) caffè version of this drink is an American invention 

message: As an italian i can guarantee that commercial Latte (basically caffè-latte) was born in ITALY! It was sold both in nationwide Bars both in supermarkets, that part needs a revision and FAST ! Lucas800 (talk) 01:35, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  COMMERCIAL Latte is american? This is theft of cultural property 

message: Hi there, I am new to wikipedia editing, but thought I would take a stab at this. I found a New York Times article on Layered Lattes, and it is becoming a new phenomena for drinking a latte in an untraditional way.
A Layered Latte reverses the traditional order of creating a Latte. Rather than pouring steamed milk into a shot of espresso, pouring hot espresso into a glass of steamed milk will create a combination of temperature and density that will cause the latte to split into multiple density layers. The science behind the Layered Latte is referred to as double-diffusive convection. To make the Layered Latte, pour a shot of espresso into a glass of steamed milk at the same temperature. The layering of the beverage is largely dependent on variables such as glass size as well as the ratio between milk and espresso. The #layeredlatte has become an internet trend first discovered by retired engineer, Bob Fankhauser. Tvanbuss (talk) 04:59, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layered Latte