Talk:London Victoria station/Archive 1

message: I don't understand the rationale behind this article name. The station is officially called London Victoria (see ). I appreciate that most Londoners and frequent users drop the London, so there would be an argument for naming the article just Victoria station, provided that was not ambiguous. But it is ambiguous, and dropping the London off the front and then sticking it on at the back as a WP bracketed disambiguator is just perverse, confusing to our readers and ugly. I move that we rename this article London Victoria station. -- Chris j wood 16:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded - sorry to format your text but I felt the proposed name should be redlinked to emphasise the point!   Deano (Talk) 17:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Hmm - the proposed name is a redirect page... my redlink idea didn't really work...  Deano (Talk) 17:10, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

text: The underground part of the station is not called London Victoria. MRSC 17:13, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The tube station isn't called Victoria station (London) either. People who name London tube stations don't worry about ambiguities with names in Manchester, let alone New York or Beijing. We have to, in naming Wikipedia articles, so articles necessarily sometimes have different names from their subjects. That is life. In my opinion London Victoria station is still a better title than Victoria atation (London). -- Chris j wood 19:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name

message: # Move page to Victoria station as it is the primary use (this is the official name of the London Underground station and the standard wiki naming of all other London mainline station articles). or
# Move page to London Victoria station to reflect the official name of the mainline station.
===Voting===
:Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~ for each of the options you have an opinion on. Longer comments should be placed in the Discussion section lower down the page.
====Victoria station====
Move this article to Victoria station and move the disambiguation page to Victoria station (disambiguation)
*I support this move in preference to the current naming and to prepending London stations with "London". MRSC 19:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Add any additional comments
*Comment - both stations have over 60 million entries and exits a year each. They are clearly the primary meaning nationally and internationally. We put dab messages at the top of primary meaning articles to direct the reader to the disambig pages. MRSC 15:34, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's the case, then why do all the National Rail signs in all London stations say "London Victoria" or "London Euston" etc.  ?   Deano (Talk) 15:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Even if this is true, its misleading. London Victoria is managed by National Rail; Manchester Victoria isn't. Network Rail, the people who actually co-ordinate the UK passenger network (almost) always uses the London prefix when referring to main line stations. For example, if you go on my local station (Reading) and try looking up trains to Paddington under 'P' on the alphabetic timetables, you won't find any; but you will find lots of trains going to London Paddington under 'L'. -- Chris j wood 17:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~ for each of the options you have an opinion on. Longer comments should be placed in the Discussion section lower down the page.
====Victoria station====
Move this article to Victoria station and move the disambiguation page to Victoria station (disambiguation)
*I support this move in preference to the current naming and to prepending London stations with "London". MRSC 19:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Voting

message: Move this article to Victoria station and move the disambiguation page to Victoria station (disambiguation)
*I support this move in preference to the current naming and to prepending London stations with "London". MRSC 19:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Victoria station

message: Move this article to London Victoria station and leave the disambiguation page at Victoria station.
*Stong Support - disambiguous, and (most importantly), the official name of the station.   Deano (Talk) 18:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: London Victoria station

message: Do not move any pages anywere - i.e. oppose all page moves
*Support the status quo. The current name fits in with the naming conventions of major stations in London, but with the necessary bracketed disambiguation. Thryduulf 14:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Victoria station (London)

message: :Add any additional comments
*Comment - both stations have over 60 million entries and exits a year each. They are clearly the primary meaning nationally and internationally. We put dab messages at the top of primary meaning articles to direct the reader to the disambig pages. MRSC 15:34, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's the case, then why do all the National Rail signs in all London stations say "London Victoria" or "London Euston" etc.  ?   Deano (Talk) 15:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if this is true, its misleading. London Victoria is managed by National Rail; Manchester Victoria isn't. Network Rail, the people who actually co-ordinate the UK passenger network (almost) always uses the London prefix when referring to main line stations. For example, if you go on my local station (Reading) and try looking up trains to Paddington under 'P' on the alphabetic timetables, you won't find any; but you will find lots of trains going to London Paddington under 'L'. -- Chris j wood 17:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: To try and keep these discussions together, I have created Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations) to try and define and agree a standard naming for UK railway stations. Thryduulf 13:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations)]]