Talk:Long-running musical theatre productions

message: This list was moved from Musical theater.  This list needs to be wikified!  --Samuel Wantman 23:11, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

message: What are the criteria for inclusion on this list?  Instead of "notable", which has a pretty low bar on Wikipedia, what if we say "important"?  Here's a For instance:  Flower Drum Song.  Sure, it's "notable", but it's not particularly important in the development or history of the musical.  But it's an "also ran" compared to most other R&H musicals.  It's less interesting as an "Asian" musical than, say, "Pacific Overtures" or even "M" Butterfly.  I say, cut FDS.  Fantasticks wasn't on the list.  I added it.  
What about:
*"The Mystery of Edwin Drood"?  That's an interesting musical because of the audience voting alone.  
*"Little Shop of Horrors", where stuff comes out of the ceiling at you?  People were freaked out!
*"Urinetown"?  It took cajones to try to sell a musical called Urinetown.
*Cinderella - Was supposed to be a one-off TV program, but Julie Andrews made it a big hit 
Can we arrive at a consensus on what ought to be on or off the list?  --Ssilvers 08:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to IBDB the musical Mamma Mia! has run for 1,998 performances (as of August 18, 2006, it's still going) which would place it at number 22.  It makes me wonder how the list was compiled and if there are many others that are missing.  I know IBDB.com is reliable for the number of performances, so I'll dig around on that site to try and find if they have a resource that would be helpful in verifying the current list.  Lmr5069 07:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have cut down the list of longest running B'way musicals so that the cutoff is 2,500 performances, and I ADDED to it the longest running London musicals.  Meanwhile, I MOVED into the list of "other" notable musicals some of the most notable ones that I removed from the longest-running list.  However, I think that 1. There are many very important shows (see above) that are not on the list, and I will try to add some; 2. We need to cut some out of the list, as not being "particularly" notable, as compared with the others (I cut a few); and 3. We need to add referenced reasons to each entry to explain why it is particularly notable.  -- Ssilvers 05:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: To see the NY numbers, just click here, which is one of the external links at the bottom of the article.  That website is frequently (weekly?) updated.  -- Ssilvers 02:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Criteria for inclusion

message: Because Broadway and the West End are so different, shouldn't we have different pages or at least different sections or lists for Broadway and West End Shows?
Agreed. [Added by anonymous user: 218.186.8.10]
Disagree: How are they different? -- Ssilvers 15:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely separate economics between the two cities makes a direct comparison invalid. It costs more to put on a show on Broadway because of higher rents (a smudge fewer Broadway theatres and more shows that never close) and higher salaries for ensemble, stagehands and other crew members. This results in a higher "nut" (ongoing running costs) as well as initial investment, which means it's harder for a show to make money on Broadway, which leads to shorter runs before the producers give up and write off the loses. Frankly, this list is an apples and oranges situation. The separate lists are more significant. oknazevad (talk) 15:33, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you doth protest too much.  But in any case, we have both the separate lists, and the combined one.  Best of both worlds. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Separation

message: We need to say something about each show (other than the ones on the longest-running list) to explain why it is particularly notable, such as listing very popular numbers, and noting if it is very frequently revived or any other items that make it notable.  Also, some shows still need composer and author info.  -- Ssilvers 05:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Little Help, Please? 

message: Surely Broadway and the West End are not the only places on the planet that produce musicals?  Has no-one ever performed a musical in Paris or Berlin or Las Vegas?  What is the longest running musical outside of NY/London?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.221.13.140 (talk) 11:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: i agree.  Can't the title and/or the introduction be changed to reflect the content (or the content be changed to reflect the title)? Kdammers (talk) 00:37, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The introduction does reflect the content.  As for the title, Broadway and the West End are the two biggest musical theatre markets in the world, by a long way, so, practically speaking, the title is accurate enough. But if lots of editors want to add "on Broadway and in the West End" we could do so. I vote to leave the title as is. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:05, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The introduction does in a sense reflect the content but not the title.  I know it's kind of like comparing apples to orangutans, but   The World Encyclopedia of Contemporary Theatre: Europe gives 28 million attendees to theatre in Germany in the '90s and the West End itself only gives 15 million for last year (http://www.westendframe.com/2014/01/society-of-london-theatre-reports.html) and 22 million for all of London (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2711356/More-theatres-London-ALL-Premier-League-games.html).  OK, Bw & WE might be the behemoths, but  Berlin, Seoul, LV, LA and other cities are theatrical presences.  So let's change the title or the content. Kdammers (talk) 13:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. BTW, does The World Encyclopedia of Contemporary Theatre: Europe tell us what the most popular and/or long-running musicals have been on continental Europe?  If so, could you beef up the third paragraph of this discussion?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:45, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that someone has moved it back to the previous name.  I have no objection. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non Broadway/West End; Title of entry 

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