Talk:Résumé

message: This article has too many unreferenced claims that provide very little useful information.  Please consider not deleting citations because they happen to point to a retail site.  If retailers are privy to better information than researchers through industry trade you are depriving users of valuable information.  There is no mention of the percentage of usage of Applicant Tracking Systems it's not even mentioned by name.  This article needs to have industry professionals to add actual information not just broad statements which are more ambiguous than they are revealing.  This article as it is now, on an important topic to many, is not worthy of being in any encyclopedia, peer reviewed or editor reviewed article.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.3.76 (talk) 07:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Citations & Facts Needed 

message: See Talk:CV#Requested_move --John Vandenberg (chat) 01:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  CV move discussion 

message: It would be helpful if, having mentioned the 'substantial differences' between a CV and a rèsumé in Canada and the US, they were actually detailed ... Daen (talk) 19:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  US/Canada rèsumé vs CV 

message: This section reads more as a "how to" guide than information about the subject, and has some unsubstantiated statements. It needs a rewrite. Zeldafanjtl (talk) 02:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling the resume a "marketing tool" utilizes imprecise and unprofessional language. It would be better to eliminate such vague and inproperly used words and discuss what it actually is.  A tool to introduce a person's background and skill sets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.3.76 (talk) 19:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: if you are using your resume simply to introduce your background/skill set, and not to market it, you are doing it wrong. --dan (talk) 10:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "General" section 

message: The pronunciation [ʁezyme] is all well and good, but that's the French pronunciation. It is never pronounced like that in English, not least because English uses tonic accent and so, at best, it would be [ˈʁezyme] or [ʁezyˈme]. Being bold and changing. — 194.74.1.82 (talk) 14:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've just noticed it says "French pronunciation" before it. Never mind. Anyway, I'll add the English pronunciation. — 194.74.1.82 (talk) 14:46, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: In the intro it says that it's sometimes spelt resumé or resume. I understand that some people mightn't know the accents / mightn't know how to type the accents and will end up writing resume, but there should really be a source cited for "rèsumé". People frequently getting the spelling wrong doesn't count as an alternate way of writing the word. Owen214 (talk) 13:41, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: this isn't french; however people frequently spell it is right. --dan (talk) 10:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "However people spell it frequently", there still are correct or accepted spellings. Until ENOUGH people spell it one way, that is. For example, Connoisseur is "misspelled" if you think of it as a French word, but, like you said, this isn't French, so that is the correct spelling in English now. If you're using accents in résumé, you ought to use the correct French ones, or less. As English has none "natively", the use of incorrect accents is an orthographic mistake. That being said, it IS most often pronounced "Rèsumé" by English speakers, which might explain "etymology" of that spelling...Malixsys (talk) 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The word, I believe, is correctly spelled using grave accents (é) above both letters e.  I note that in one place, Malixsys used the acute accent instead.  I'm being hypercritical, I know. :)  But the point I am getting to would be that, in English, spelling the word without accents should be perfectly acceptable, correct? Terry Thorgaard (talk) 16:21, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Why does the stock resume list /John/ Doe and say /he/ worked at Victoria's Secret? I somehow doubt he helped customers in making decisions. 69.169.148.14 (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: The two words are used as an alternative for one another. I think if we merge the articles and just mention there that there is a slight difference between them in Canada and Australia, it would be better. In addition, sources should be added to support the difference between the two terms. I read the current discussion page, there were different discussions, but neither of them was based on sources to support the difference between the two. --Wayiran (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. Even in the US, the terms mean different things. Libcub (talk) 16:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please provide any source supporting the same? --Wayiran (talk) 21:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikitionary. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 03:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

text:  wiktionary cites résumé and CV as synonymsMalixsys (talk) 15:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

text: The article implies that they only mean different things in academia. Most people don't work in academia. – Smyth\talk 11:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: i don't know about academia, but in my experience people in the legal field tend to use cv. the only difference between the two seems to be the name of the document. --dan (talk) 10:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Agree. They're mostly the same thing, and if in some countries, a difference is made, then that can be explained in the merged article.  The name of the merged article should be "Curriculum vitae", since that's the more commonly used term internationally. Teemu Leisti (talk) 20:43, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: You may wish to consider some quotes from the Oxford English Dictionary:
curriculum vitae (abbreviation: CV) noun -
a brief account of a person's education, qualifications, and previous occupations, typically sent with a job application.
rèsumé (noun) -
1 a summary: "I gave him a quick rèsumé of events".
2 North American - a curriculum vitae: "Using email, I've been able to review rèsumés, cover letters, even outlines of talking points for an interview."
Easily confused words:
Rèsumé means ‘a summary’ (a quick rèsumé of events;); it is a French word, and is usually spelled with accents on the e's. It should not be confused with resume, which means ‘begin again after a pause’ (the talks will resume in April).
It would appear that a common North American use of "rèsumé" is for the same thing as referred to in British English as a "curriculum vitae"; however, this does not necessitate the conclusion that both words, in North American use, are consistently understood to mean the same thing. Concerning the use of "resume", the only rational conclusion I can draw is to rather use "curriculum vitae" instead of "rèsumé", if one cannot do better than misspelling the latter as "resume".
Gseydack (talk) 16:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No opinion on what specifically should be done with the article without studying it more closely, but a couple of general points. First of all, "resume" is not a "misspelling"; it's an established alternative spelling of "rèsumé", according to at least four dictionaries: Oxford American, Merriam-Webster Collegiate, American Heritage, and Random House. ("Resumé" is also listed as an alternative.) Second, "CV" is sometimes used interchangeably with "rèsumé" in North America, although its use is less common and sometimes it does mean something slightly different (as the article indicates). Rivertorch (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  To resume differentiating between the use of curriculum vitae (CV) and rèsumé 

message: I do not believe that the CV Wiki page and the Resume wiki pages should be merged. Although some people use the words interchangeably, this phrase-swapping is not accurate, at least in the U.S. Resumes are designed to be brief, as short as 1 page, but not more that 4. Resume's are concise introductions of a person's experience and requisites. A CV, on the other hand, is extensive, and can surpass 30 pages in length. CVs are intended to be a near-bibliographic history of a person's experience. Often times, a person will have either a CV, or a resume, depending on the person's field or experience. Personally, I have both a CV and resumes. My CV is extensive and lists all of my relevant experience/history. My resumes, however, are specific to the message I wish to convey through that resume. For example, my CV lists all of my volunteer committees and chairmanships, but my resumes only discuss committees and chairmanships as they pertain to the position I am being considered for.
Stiche1775 (talk) 06:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I truly don't think CV and Resumé deserve their own separate wiki article. One is enough. Especially when the difference between them can be explained in a couple sentences. Angry bee (talk) 23:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  CV versus Resume 

message: Nobody seems to mention that a large part of the reason that Rèsumé is often misspelled as Resumé or even Resume is because it's done so by people in countries (like the US or UK) where we simply don't have such characters on our keyboards. It's the same reason Café is spelled Cafe. I would guess that 95% of Windows users don't know about Alt-keycodes or have the idea of coming here to copy/paste it to their document. Besides, when a word is borrowed from another language, it will often not retain either the correct accented spelling or even the correct pronunciation, even when it's a noun (anyone for a glass of Moet & Chandon in my Porsche?).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.104.181.207 (talk) 21:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that the reason the accents are dropped? ~Adjwilley (talk) 01:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: While there's much truth in the above, accents were routinely dropped even before the age of the typewriter, let alone the personal computer. And even Mac users, who have had easy access to diacriticals for more than a quarter of a century, often don't bother to make an 'é' instead of an 'e'. One explanation for the one-accent spelling, "resumé", is that the first syllable is pronounced with a short 'e', at least to the west of the Pond (and, I suspect, elsewhere, although the word itself may be less common elsewhere). It would be nice to find a source that discusses this, but I'm not hopeful. Rivertorch (talk) 05:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The reason the accent(s) are often missing 

message: I feel that the opinions expressed here (particularly about emergence of graphic- and video- driven resumes) are out of date. Some of the references cited are dated 2008 - a lot has happened since then. Infographic resumes have exploded and, some argue, became a passing fad. Also, so-called "website resumes" got some traction, though mainly in the tech industry. Finally, recruiters in 2014 tend to agree that resumes are nearing their end (to be replaced by LinkedIn). I've made edits to describe these shifts. I've also cleaned up the formatting to improve readability. (Lee11Jam (talk) 07:56, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you add sources for this? Without them, I will challenge this. Although there was a recent trend in making your profile more like a resume, I have never come accross any info that would confirm what you put in that section. And actually, a recent article from Mashable (perhaps the epitome of pop culture/tech reporting in the Web 2.0 age) actually advises AGAINST using your LinkedIn profile as a resume. Alphachimera (talk) 20:01, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be more specific about which part you're challenging. Am I right in saying that you disagree with the part that LinkedIn is replacing resumes? Perhaps I do need to flesh it out - the difficulty there is that it's very much true for some sectors, countries and job types and very much isn't for others; rates of adoption vary greatly at this point. Having said that, the overall trend is very much towards replacing resumes with online portfolios which showcase successfully completed projects. I've provided references for support. Mashable needs to be taken with a grain of salt - it may be a touchstone of tech reporting for the modern generation and is perceived as an authority, however it also has a strong whiff of link-baited content that is put together by content creators who, I'll argue, have never held a recruitment or HR position. (Lee11Jam (talk) 08:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still going to challenge the line about LinkedIn on the basis of non-objectivity. You can't cite LinkedIn's self-promoting resources to say LinkedIn is replacing traditional resumes or hiring practices. Alphachimera (talk) 16:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. If there are no sources independent of LinkedIn, then it doesn't belong. --Ronz (talk) 16:47, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it. Lee11Jam, if you want to add it back in, I think it would be a better fit in the "resume evaluation" section, not the personal branding/tech startup section, and it needs to be neutrally cited. Alphachimera (talk) 14:44, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's hard to say that the trends are leading in any direction unless you have some statistical evaluation. I was a recruiter in the tech industry for many years, and we pretty much asked for a traditional resume every single time, and I'm pretty sure any job posting you look at online will ask for a traditional resume. That being said I did get offered a job interview based on my online resume.  http://www.genoseo.com/Eugene-Song-Resume  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:6190:DD00:F2B4:79FF:FE1A:358A (talk) 01:31, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates To Reflect Current Trends 

message: As a casual user of Wikipedia, I was surprised to see no historical background on the origins of resumes.  Guess I'll go back to Google now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.129.181.219 (talk) 13:56, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs some history 

message: Actually there are not 2, but 3 resume styles (formats): chronological, functional, combination.  Well, at least I found such information on the Federal Resume guide https://resumeadvise.com/what-is-the-best-resume-format/ It provides very detailed and step by step instructions with examples. There are special conditions and restrictions according to which some particular format should be applied. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.191.178.84 (talk) 11:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resume format