Talk:Warsaw radio mast

message: This article says 646, List of the world's tallest structures says 648.38. Which is correct? -- SGBailey 09:23, 2005 Apr 4 (UTC)
: The articles now agree. Amitchell125 (talk) 14:29, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Height Conflict

message: This sentence:
:it was 646 meters (2,120 feet) tall and weighed 420 short tons (380 t). 
puts metric first in the first part, and imperial first in the second part. That is inconsistent. For consistency, will put metric first in second part two, esp. since Poland is a metric-using country (as is most of the world).
Why did it collapse? This is the sort of thing that belongs in the article. Secretlondon 15:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency in units 

message: I use this in games that require random knowledge. It's very fun, but it's become predictable. haha --KelticK{Talk} 21:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very useful 

message: :"On August 8, 1991, the mast collapsed at 16:00 UTC because of a mistake in exchanging the guys on the highest stock of the mast. Fortunately nobody was killed or injured because other workers had left the site two hours earlier."
What does "guy" mean in the first sentence? Also, "other workers"? Who were the original workers? Is "guys" referring to people (in that case, the sentence is written so colliquially I don't even understand it). Somebody who knows what this is supposed to say, please rewrite these sentences. -VJ 23:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um 

message: I was collecting info on WRM long time before there was a wiki article available. Few years actually. So, someone (or myself if nobody cares, PM me) should include that Mostostal Zabrze was the company that erected the mast.
The height of the mast really is 646.38m. Buy a Guinness book of world records. Actually, the height varied with temperature. Hmm...
Also, here is the list of things that are different from wiki data, but found in encyclopedias (yes, the thick paper books):
1) the mass of the mast was 550 000 kilograms (and then it says 541 t - someone please explain this); also 606 t is mentiones in one american encyclopedia.
:Not necessarily. English sources tend to introduce more and more errors as they copy data between themselves. It can be partially attributed to non-metric tonnes used in some English-speaking countries. One Polish source I know cites 420 metric tonnes, so far I don't have a reason to not believe them.
2) the dates - the work started July 1970, mast was completed in 18 Jul 1974. and put into operation on 22 Jul 1974
:Nope, Polish sources state that the mast was completed on 18 May 1974, again probably bad translation. Also it seems highly unlikely that just 4 days of testing would be enough.
3) the radio was called Radio Jedynka
:Nope, it was called "Program Pierwszy Polskiego Radia", sometimes abbreviated to "Program I PR". It means "The first programme of the Polish Radio". "Jedynka" is the unofficial name, used mainly by its listeners for simplicity ("Jedynka" means "Number one").
4) the time of collapse could be between 6 and 7 PM
5) the width of the mast is definitively more than 4.8m. I'll upload a photo soon which shows a worker on the mast. I came with 6.7m. Well, maybe the guy was a midget, but I strongly dislike the idea.
6) the mast had a ladder, too.
7) the way the thing collapsed - it first bent, then broke in half, and then the upper half went straight to the base after which the lower part leaned and collapsed too (don't know on which side, though)
8) the transmitters survived. apparently.
:True, they were in a separate building.
9) the fault - Special committee decided it was Mostostal Zabrze, which built, and maintained the mast. On the defendants bench sat 3 people, the construction coordinator, technical guy and chief of one of Mostostals divisions that built the mast. For causing the catastrophe, the first of these was sentenced to 2.5 years, the other 2 for two years.
10) In September 1995 the Polish government was set to rebuild the mast, but it was never rebuilt due to local protests, which claimed that the waves sent out by the mast are bad for their health.
Also, I have a higher resolution and noncropped version of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Konstantynow1.jpg
so I'll replace it.
If no one replies, I'll add the info above in short time. The info is valid because it is not found on the Internet.
:It proves nothing that you found it in printed sources. They are equally inaccurate, for the reasons cited above. Seriously, the more people involved in the communication, the more distorted it gets, so I think the Polish sources are more accurate. If you want I can translate anything for you.
It's good to have such great summary about this cool building. The tallest structure ever. :-)
06:30, 22 Jun by Endimion17
:You have uploaded multiple photos, which don't belong to you, yet you claim GFDL license on them. This is a violation of the copyright. Please withdraw those, or change their license accordingly. --Wanted 16:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lots of additional info 

message: Sorry guys, but there are no references at all listed at the bottom, (External links are to be used as outside links helpful to the reader, but don't count as references, see Wikipedia:External links) and the two or so links I saw inside the article aren't really enough to qualify this article as "Well-referenced". Homestarmy 02:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not to discourage you, but I would add that the prose could use some improvement. The lead is choppy and does not summarize the rest of the article well. Other parts have some problems: "The version of mistakes in the exchange of guys was confirmed by Jan Polak..." If directions or uses are unknown, maybe they don't need to be mentioned? I would suggest checking over WP:CITE and working on the prose a bit. Gimmetrow 20:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Delisted

message: Were there ever printed postal stamps showing the mast? I believe "yes", because it was the tallest thing ever built, but I may be wrong.
:Probably not because Poland was a communist country most of the time when the mast was up. 82.141.72.96 (talk) 07:54, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearance on postal stamps?

message: Moved the following rather speculative text from the main article.  If anyone can confirm, then please put it back in (after a bit of rewording perhaps...) Chillysnow 22:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculation

message: The article says it was the highest land based man-made structure until the advent of the Burj Dubai, however KVLY-TV mast is the current highest.  Is this incorrect?
:It is correct according to what it says here, and this may also be of interest. Hertz1888 (talk) 05:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect Information?

message: Coordinates exact determined by using http://maps.geoportal.gov.pl/webclient/#  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.240.133 (talk) 21:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Coordinates

message: Is "land based" necessary? Is there a taller maritime structure that I'm unaware of?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by !!Aaapplesauce (talk • contribs) 04:27, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think many oil platforms are taller, when counting the part that's below water. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 12:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Land Based? 

message: "caused by an error in exchanging the guy-wires on the highest stock" What on earth does that mean? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:35, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This hasn't been addressed for nearly a year, so I've removed the text. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:43, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone explain this piece of text please? 

message: Say more about why it collapsed . Jidanni (talk) 04:26, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Say more about why it collapsed 

message: Shouldn't it be about 2,120 feet above ground? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:36, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has received heavy vandalism since January by a long-term serial vandal from Italy. Most has been reverted but it looks like some got through. I tried to fix it. Do you see anything else wrong. -- GreenC 03:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who vandalized the height? 

message: 'The mast was conceived for height and ability to broadcast the "propaganda of the Communist successes" across the world and even to remote areas such as Antarctica'. 
This line seems a bit comical to me. Along with the grammatical errors in the first part, the quote "Propaganda of the communist successes" just sounds like satire. Neither of the citations used for the sentence use that quote. I think it's fair to say that this should be changed to sound less like Tim Curry in Red Alert 3. The fact that this could be in the first paragraph of the page for this long is surprising to me. Niall45567 (talk) 10:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed.  -- GreenC 19:38, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph sounds odd 

message: From article, "However, an unintended effect of the mast's height was that the "officially non-existent Poles of the east" could tune in to Polish radio broadcasts, including those in remote places such as Antarctica."
What the heck does this even mean? :0 208.59.107.13 (talk) 22:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explain Please: