Talk:In the Pines

message: Really? This is all you can say, just a soulless listing of interpretes and this about one of the souliest songs of music history? You suck, Wikipedia, once again! This is, you want donations for penetrantly? Ridiculous! Instead of talking about the content/theme and lyrics in a genius.com manner you just talk about cover versions! How hollow is this site, shame on you!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DC:CF10:9500:3A6D:E6F9:B68A:2A08 (talk) 09:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is Bullshit!

message: Link Wray performed an altered version called, I believe, "Georgia Pines," in the 1970's for his Polydor records.  It has been collected in the "Polydor Years" collection.
Additionally, in folk terms the song goes back to a generalized "dead girl singing" tradition, where ghosts turn out to be in dialog with the singer, and that's a basic component of the ballad.  Geogre 15:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Other versions:

message: Everybody: it's "Lead Belly", not "Leadbelly". See the discusion. -- Face 10:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: It's Lead Belly

message: Does anyone else find it a little strange that they talk about this songs rich history as a folk song and all the talanted musicians who have recorded it or played it, but Nirvana is the band that has the information at the bottom? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.94.2.162 (talk) 21:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.BennyFromCrossroads 21:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree that Nirvana's discography is completely irrelevant to this article. 24.34.99.152 (talk) 01:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nirvana??? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:WDYSLN.jpg

message: I would prefer to see this article titled "In the Pines", with "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" redirected to it.  "In the Pines" was the title most familiar to the folk, country, roots & bluegrass musicians who popularised the song, & most recorded versions also have this title.  "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" is the title only of Lead Belly's rendition of the song, & the title used by others like Nirvana who have specifically covered Lead Belly's version (often wrongly believing that he authored it).  I think that calling this article "Where Did You Sleep" rather than "In the Pines" is just perpetuating the myth that this is Lead Belly's song more than anybody's else's.  Any thoughts?    Weasel Fetlocks (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since nobody has objected or responded, I have gone ahead with the move.  In the interests of diplomacy, & acknowledging both commonly known titles, I have called the article "In The Pines (Where Did You Sleep Last Night?)".  Please do not move the article back to old location without first discussing your reasons for wanting to do so.  Thanks.  Weasel Fetlocks (talk) 20:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In The Pines 

message: I've taken a look in Cecil J. Sharp's 1917 book English Folk Songs From The Southern Appalachians and I definitely can't find this song there. I wonder if the article is right in claiming that the song was first published by Sharp. - Gus (T, C) 2010-03-31 18:55Z
:Obviously, if it was transcribed in August 1917, it could have been too late to have made it into the 1917 publication. It might be in the very expanded edition edited by Maud Karpeles in 1932. I can't find this book, however. (I think there is another edition from 1937, but I may be mistaken.) The song seems to bear some resemblance to a lullaby from the Isle of Man, "Red Bird", which in turn may have been translated into Manx from either Scots Gaelic or English. If Scots it would be one of many such that ended up in Appalachia. However, the American ballad has a uniquely haunting and tragic character not apparent in the Old World antecedent, however lovely. 
:http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/mb1896/p042.htm  "Red Bird" (Manx lullaby) 1896
:https://www.vwml.org/record/CJS2/10/3882 "Black Girl black girl don't lie to me" transcribed from the singing of Lizzie Abner, 18 August, 1917.
Mballen (talk) 07:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cecil J. Sharp 

message: I found the claim of 160 variants interesting, and tried to follow it up. This figure of 160 is one of those Chinese Whispers that seem to be replicated all over the internet without being properly checked (or even adequately sourced) by authors.
One of the better references, http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=38433 cites Paul Oliver's 'Songsters & Saints' as including the following:
:"Oliver goes on to refer to Judith McCulloh's unpublished Ph.D thesis for Indiana University (1970), titled 'In the Pines: The Melodic-Textual Identity of an American Lyric Folk-Song Cluster', which was based on the study of 160 variants of the song on record and in print. McCulloh believes the mine references were to mines in Dade County, Georgia, owned by Governor Joseph Emerson Brown in the 1870s. She suggests the railroad accident with the gruesome headless body image probably originated in the Reconstruction period. "
Footnote 7 on p 270 of Paul Oliver's "Songsters and Saints" does indeed refer to Mculloh's work as an unpublished Ph.D thses from Indiana University in 1970.
 Indiana University Doctoral Dissertations in Musicology Online gives:
:McCulloh, Judith Marie, In the Pines: The Melodic-Textual Identity of an American Lyric Folksong Cluster. Ph.D., Folklore, Indiana University, 1970. xi, 651 p. mus. exs., discog., bibliog.DDM Code: 02foMccK; DA no.: 31/11:5964; RILM no.: 71:4225dd; UM no.: 71-13553 
However, the thesis may have been published subsequently by Indiana University see google books link
I have added the reference to the source; however, as yet, I have seen no original text which actually verifies the figure of 160. 
--TonyFleet (talk) 08:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judith McCulloh's Thesis 

message: Hey, I'm not a regular editor, I don't even have a wikipedia account to sign into, so I figured I'd point out the matter here, and let you guys decide what you want to do. In the "In Films" section, the second bullet point reads: "A few lines of the song are sung by Sissy Spacek, playing Loretta Lynn, in the 1980 film, Coal Miner's Daughter." The seventh, and final, bullet point reads: "This song is also sang by Sissy Spacek in her portrayal of Loretta Lynn in the 1980 movie Coal Miner's Daughter." Aren't both of these referring to the same thing, and shouldn't one of them be deleted?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.217.144 (talk) 20:46, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In Films" Redundancy 

message: Does anyone know who sings it as a theme song for the tv series Port Protection? (Technically Life Below Zero: Port Protection) UnderEducatedGeezer (talk) 08:18, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Port Protection, Alaska (tv series) theme song (who is singer?) 

message: Worth adding to the article
https://spotify.link/wFphNM3WdKb 208.93.255.186 (talk) 03:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ramsey's version