Talk:Jean Renoir

message: The unreferenced quote "the pitcher goes to the well so often that it eventually breaks" is a word-for-word translation of a famous French saying "tant va la cruche à l'eau qu'à la fin elle se casse". In French, there is a play on word, since "cruche" means pitcher, and by extension a "airhead" often describing young witless women. Hence the famous play on word by Beaumarchais in "Le mariage de Figaro" about a silly young servant girl who goes to the well to fetch water where she messes around with the son of the masters and gets pregnant "tant va la cruche à l'eau qu'à la fin elle s'emplit" ("the pitcher goes to the well so often that it eventually fills up").
77.58.147.83 (talk) 23:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: How is his name pronounced? Is it Ren-Wah? or Rono-ar? --74.139.220.180 09:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: The introductory paragraph said that he was ranked the 4th greatest director of all-time by Sight & Sound. In reality, he tied for 9th as evidenced by the following link.
http://old.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/polls/topten/poll/directors-directors.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by S Luke (talk • contribs) 01:50, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the Top Ten directors by film directors poll from 2002. Renoir did come fourth in the critics poll which is the one cited. Philip Cross (talk) 08:45, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: My Mistake. S. Luke (talk) 04:27, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sight & Sound Poll

message: Is this one of those ridiculous situations where, because there's some public domain paintings of him by his father from when he was a small child, we can't use any photographs of him from when he was an adult? Because there should be some damned photographs of him from when he was an adult in this article. 71.175.251.99 (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
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message: Does anyone else think that two paintings by his father of him as a child is excessive? The two paintings overrun and dominate the article, and obscure his adulthood and film career. Since this article is about Jean and not about Pierre-Auguste, I suggest we only retain one, and keep it within the bounds of the section about his childhood. Does anyone else agree? If so, I personally prefer the baby one, as most attractive. The other one is generic and neither instructive nor interesting nor particularly good art, in my opinion. Softlavender (talk) 00:13, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article does not need two paintings by Jean's father. I also agree that the one of him as a baby is preferable in the article. MarnetteD|Talk 00:47, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, I am going to WP:BOLDly remove the second one. Softlavender (talk) 01:11, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

text: I've always thought it was an odd pic for the article. JR is known for his films and pottery was only one of his hobbies. I'm not sure that it adds to a readers understanding of the man. I don't know if there is any other article that it might be used in but I wouldn't be opposed to its removal from this article. MarnetteD|Talk 15:06, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. I personally think it is particularly egregious because of the huge "Renoir's pottery" headline that is part of the image. Anyway, just because an image is on Commons doesn't mean that it has to be used in an article somewhere. This image is just a tiny item from a museum that is probably chock full of things many times more interesting and relevant than three pieces of pottery. Anyway, since no one has objected, I am going to remove it. Softlavender (talk) 02:07, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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message: I have taken the attitude that the awards for Jean Renoir's films belong in the article about those films. The awards and honours section may become unfeasibly long in due course even if restricted to Renoir himself. Their is a policy favouring the rendering articles in prose. As is appropriate, some of these awards are included in the main body of the article. Philip Cross (talk) 09:39, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If Renoir received the award, the award should be mentioned somewhere in this article, rather than deleted. Softlavender (talk) 10:00, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The point is the films received the awards, rather than Renoir as Best Director. The one exception is The Southerner, but the body of the text already says Renoir was nominated for a Best Director Oscar. We do not need to mention the lesser NBR award here as well because the film is already established as being considered noteworthy. A more comprehensive list is appropriate for the films themselves, and duplication of material across articles is advised against. Philip Cross (talk) 10:12, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The nomination wasn't a win. If he won an award (and he did for best director), in my opinion it should be mentioned somewhere in the article, not removed. There is no stricture anywhere that information cannot be in more than one Wikipedia article. Softlavender (talk) 10:25, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: Softlavender just added a claim to the lede that Renoir is "one of the first filmmakers to be known as an auteur." While there is no doubt that Renoir is an auteur, I'm not so sure that he stands out as one of the first. I may be being pedantic, but I read the sources Softlander provides and I have a slightly different take on them than she did: 
#http://articles.latimes.com/1994-07-15/entertainment/ca-15822_1_jean-renoir
#*Leo Braudy notes, "Renoir himself called such directors auteurs, directors who wrote their own scripts. But the term was later expanded to identify those directors whose personal vision could overcome the fragmentations of a collaborative art." This was news to me as I've never before heard that Renoir was fond of using the term, auteur; but it doesn't exactly support the idea that Renoir was one of the first to be known as an auteur. He may have been among the first to use the term, but Braudy isn't quite suggesting that Renoir applied it to himself. (Indeed, Renoir, often as not, did not write his own scripts.) When the term was "later expanded" by Cahiers du cinéma it was first applied to Julien Duvivier, as I recall.
#https://books.google.com/books?id=ZYPXXf-qsyYC&pg=PA14
#*Renoir interviews from Cahiers du cinéma are noted in a summary of the book, Renoir on Renoir. The summary says Cahiers viewed Renoir as "a totemic figure, a model French auteur," but not the first or even among the first.
Finally, to say that Renoir was "one of the first filmmakers to be known as an auteur" might also mislead readers to think that his films were among the first to be later identified as the work of an auteur. Although Renoir made silent films in the 1920s, there were other auteurs at work before him—such as Griffith, Eisenstein, Murnau, et al.
Okay... so I've probably gone into too much detail, but I'd argue for deleting this sentence. What do you think, Softlavander?
--Jeremy Butler 12:20, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In a word, no. I've added more citations. Softlavender (talk) 14:06, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
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