Talk:Leopard 1

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:"The Leopard 2 is Germany's main battle tank. It has a 120mm Rheinmetall smoothbore gun, an EMES-15 gunners sight, with 3X and 12X thermal sight, and a 12X daysight, as well as a fero-Z auxilary sight. The gun is stabilized in both the vertical and horizontal direction, and the tank has full fire on the move capability. The gun can operate in 3 separate modes, normal, emergency, and manual. In normal mode, the gun is fully stabilized, and laser range finder, dynamic lead all works. In emergency mode, the gun and EMES-15 sighting picture is not stabilized, but the laser range finder still works. In manual mode, the gun is completely unpowered, and is moved with hand cranks. In the Leopard 2a5, this operation is done with a small powered stick."
Stan 03:53, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional text 

message: Sweden has never used the original Leopard tank. Leopard 2 however is currently in use by the Swedish army, where it replaced Centurion and Strv 103. I'm removing the reference to Sweden in the first paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Selleriverket (talk • contribs) 02:58, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leo in Sweden 

message: Should this page not be moved to Leopard 1 and make Leopard tank a disamiguation page, because there are at least two other German tanks referred to as Leopard, obviously the Leopard 2 as well as a WWII tank. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.31.79 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: === Australian Leopards ===
The Australian Leopard was designated the Leopard 1 AS4.  It had a V10 MTU multi-fuel engine.  Capable of producing 985 BHP at 2200 rpm.  The loaded combat weight of this varient was 42.4 Tons.  It carried three MG3 AA/U machine guns in addition to the 105mm main armament.
I have my original driver training and gunnery wing books if anyone just needs the hell out of some more info on the Aussie Leopards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.40.219.47 (talk • contribs) 08:06, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Should it be doubted that the Australian Leopard was called AS1 from the very beginning see: http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/Armoured%20Vehicles/leopardph_1.htm --MWAK 10:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National naming 

message: The Australian Leopard was designated the Leopard 1 AS4.  It had a V10 MTU multi-fuel engine.  Capable of producing 985 BHP at 2200 rpm.  The loaded combat weight of this varient was 42.4 Tons.  It carried three MG3 AA/U machine guns in addition to the 105mm main armament.
I have my original driver training and gunnery wing books if anyone just needs the hell out of some more info on the Aussie Leopards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.40.219.47 (talk • contribs) 08:06, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Should it be doubted that the Australian Leopard was called AS1 from the very beginning see: http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/Armoured%20Vehicles/leopardph_1.htm --MWAK 10:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Leopards 

message: I believe the Canadian Leopards were designated "Leopard C2".  They underwent a modernization and turret replacement in the '90s, but have been recently retired.  Can someone more familiar with the subject elucidate?  —Michael Z. 2005-09-26 14:09 Z
I've uploaded a few photos of Canadian Leopards, made available by DND.  —Michael Z. 2005-10-2 05:23 Z
I have changed the news report that the tanks would be brought [to Afghanistan] by ships (it's a landlocked country!) to airlifted by American forces, and added a citation - hope I didn't screw up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.22.68 (talk • contribs) 03:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Leopards 

message: Found that the Leopard 1 has 70mm rolled armor, from Modern Tanks and Fighting Vehicles (3rd Edition) by Christopher Foss. Ctifumdope 22:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armor 

message: "Although the level of armor area density was equivalent to the A2's new welded version, the internal volume was increased by 1.2 m³ and the effective protection level by half."
If I am reading this correctly, it states that the 1A3 had as much armor as the 1A2, but nevertheless had half as much protection. This seems odd, can someone expand on this a bit? Or is it wrong? I found the identical wording on another site, although lacking the last bit about the protection level.
Maury 16:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The increased protection was due to the use of laminated armour with a plastic foam filler. The first production version was not uparmoured beyond the original specifications which, it should be emphasised, demanded that the side armour were immune against 20 mm rapid fire cannon. It could stop old T-34-85 AP rounds in the frontal arc :o).--MWAK (talk) 12:50, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing statement in 1A3 section? 

message: I have added Lebanon to the list of operators as the deal was finalized with Belgium.  Here's the link:  http://www.lecho.be/article/La_Belgique_vend_71__blindes_au_Liban__dont_43_chars_Leopard.6033403  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vatche (talk • contribs) 16:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lebanon 

message: Thank you for opening the mediation, and sorry for my late reply, I was away for a while.
In spite using flags is a very common behavior and approach on Wikipedia operators list, there are more important things to mention. First off, I refute the idea that flags distract the reader, or that they are only for decoration. Flags can have a positive role in reading the list, at many times people quickly reach their target by the flag. Additionally, there is no proof, and it is not at all clear that flags mess the list or distract the reader, as I said it makes reading the list a more pleasant experience.
Secondly, there is no clear rule on Wikipedia stating that "flags should not be used on operators lists".
--Zaher1988 · Talk|Contributions 13:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation from Zaher

message: While I have no interest in the Leopard tank article, I do edit other similar articles and I see this issue come up over and over.
I have always found the flag icons to be useless. They are a bit distracting and I have to agree with the notion stated here that elements that make no positive contribution to a design tend to weaken it. I can't think of an example of a flag icon helping in any list with which I've worked.  For those who believe it can be helpful, I'd love to hear some evidence that the flag icon works better than the text itself. For example, would you favor a list with flags but no text? If not, why not? If the flags themselves have that much meaning, can they be substitutes for text or are they always meant as supplements? If they are supplements only, I don't see how the flags help. 
As a header feature they make some sense. For example, at the head of a category in a table composed of several categories, a flag icon might be an easy way to convey opposing sides. But even there, words are just as good and possibly better. I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other. 
The other case I can think of is in clarifying ambiguity. For example, if text merely says "Germany" I can think of several possible states (Imperial Germany, Weimar Germany, Nazi Germany, the DDR, the FRG.....). A flag icon might be an instant means of sorting out which Germany is meant. 
So....I'd love to see flag icons disappear from lists. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 17:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You say: "If they are supplements only, I don't see how the flags help." Consider the meaning of the word "supplement." It is not synonymous with "superfluous." Oicumayberight (talk) 19:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another opinion 

message: Move Parsecboy (talk) 15:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree The article only talks about the Leopard 1, not the others, which have their own articles. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 18:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Agree Also the same reasons posted above. Additionally, this article can become an overview about the Leopard tanks and something like this. --Zaher1988 · Talk|Contributions 19:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

text: True, but I highly doubt anyone will get Leopard 1 confused with an animal. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 20:54, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Indeed, Leopard 1 can never mean an animal. --Zaher1988 · Talk|Contributions 07:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Either disambiguation or a general overview about the Leopard tanks. --Zaher1988 · Talk|Contributions 07:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Leopard tank should be the disambig. There's also a spanish tank called the leopard, so 3 tanks for disambuation.--Pattont/c 19:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Agree with Patton123 make the move and Leopard tank should become a disambig page that should at least include Leopard 2, Leopard 2E anad Leopard 1. Labattblueboy (talk) 19:36, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to {{noredirect|Leopard 1}} 

message: Alongside 'Germany' it states: 'Germany—2,437 originally. 724, last shot 2003'. Somebody has asked what it means; could it be the last time their guns were fired before being replaced by Leopard 2 (although what such a statement is doing there is beyond me).  RASAM (talk) 14:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: More on Operators

message: We should probably remove this line. Spain did not buy the Leopard 1 because the UK did not want to sell the L7 main gun to a fascist country and because the AMX-30 was cheaper, according to the AMX-30 article. Greece, during its dictatorship period, purchased Type 209 submarines from Germany  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.242.168.186 (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Germany has a strict export policy for military equipment; Greece, Spain and Chile, while still dictatorships, purchased the French AMX-30." 

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message: German Wikipedia claims that a classified number of Leopard 1 tanks was sold to Singapore. Singapore is not mentioned in this articles at all. 91.114.184.118 (talk) 00:16, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in Singapore 

message: Leopard I is only useful to Ukraine if there is ammunition for it.  This edit removed the information on the availability of ammunition for Leopard I to Ukraine. Some of that information should go back into the article.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukraine and the ammunition issue 

message: An IP editor has tried to change the dates it was in service, designed and manufactured.
This raises the question when production started.  The article has used 1965 as the commencement of production (the IP editor wants to change that to 1967).  Presumably the basis of the 1965 figure was that Krauss-Maffei's assembly line for Leopard completed its first tank on 9 September 1965 (I have stuck a citation with a quote for this in the article).  Setting up the production line took about two years.  Assuming that it took a few months to make the components and assemble them, the 1965 figure is justified by the source.  It is worth adding that by the end of 1965, the production line was producing 50 a month, and was said to have completed about 600, of which the West German Army had taken over about 100 [source: Barker (1981) p21].-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Said IP editor has since been blocked for repeatedly vandalizing mostly production dates and numbers on several articles regarding military equipment. Pretty sure it's 1965, but either way the IP editor can not be relied upon for information. DynCoder (talk) 11:52, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production dates 

message: The Netherlands National Archives (nationaalarchief.nl) provided the photograph at :File:Nederlandse soldaten bezig de door pantservoertuigen aangerichte schade te herst, Bestanddeelnr 921-5836.jpg.  They have two nice photographs taken at Leusderheide dated 26 February 1968 showing Leopard 1 next to Chieftain.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs of Leopard 1 with Chieftain 

message: The Leopard 1V is referenced extensively throughout the page about how widely it is distributed and how many units Greece picked up, etc., but there is no reference or characterization of the vehicle itself. What is the purpose of distinguishing a variant without describing it?
Second, in the users section, the Dutch are described as a former user, but do not appear in the list of former users. Podlesok86 (talk) 12:53, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Addressed. Comments? Podlesok86 (talk) 18:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Lots of flaws in page