Talk:Newport railway station/Archive 1

message: Offically, the station name is Newport (Gwent) or Newport (South Wales), not just Newport. Is there a reason for this expect for it's large/busier that Newport (essex)? Thanks Glam04023706 18:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarity over name station in article

message: ::The other issue is where to put the diambiguation as the examples I showed there put it between the name and the "railway station" but sometimes it is put at the end in brackets such as Richmond station (London). I prefer the former arrangement, especially as the Essex station uses it. Anywikiuser (talk) 20:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This station easily qualifies as the primary use of the name "Newport" in a railway context, being as it is the main station in Wales' third city.  As is the usual standard for geographic disambiguation on Wikipedia, the smaller should be at Newport railway station, Essex.  Also, remember the entry/exit number is just that - entry/exit.  You need to consider where people may be coming from.  Bristol and South Wales have a combined population of around 1.5-2 million, so that's roughly one journey per year for every person.  Compared to London and the South East, with its population of 11 million or more, which works out to roughly one journey per year for every 60 - the same order of magnitude as the ratio between the population of the two places.  81.110.106.169 (talk) 21:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I sort of get your point: this station means much more to the local region than the small one in Essex. In addition, I expect the Essex station gets a large amount of revenue for commuters whereas a wider range of people use this station. Even so this would be difficult to measure. I expect that someone trying to look up the Essex station would probably be aware that there is another one in Wales whereas someone looking up this station wouldn't be aware of the Essex and Melbourne stations, let alone the two defunct ones on the Isle of Wight and Shropshire. From that point of view, Newport railway station is sensible, but it is also 'wrong' because Newport railway station could mean all 5. In that case, I suggest is should be named Newport (South Wales) railway station or Newport railway station (South Wales) but make Newport railway station redirect here with a link to the disambiguation page. Anywikiuser (talk) 10:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:DAB is pretty clear on this - any tag here is spurious because it is clearly and indisputably the "primary use" of the main title, and the dab page belongs at Newport railway station (disambiguation).  We have standards for naming articles for a reason.  81.110.106.169 (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well since we're really discussing whether it should have (South Wales) in it or not, so shall I might as well move it to Newport (South Wales) railway station so it can be changed later if necessary? There doesn't seem to be any support for keeping it as it is. Anywikiuser (talk) 14:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The current location being poor is probably an incentive to bring this to a proper resolution.  81.110.106.169 (talk) 19:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion from May

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
Newport High Street railway station → Newport railway station — Per WP:DAB, clearly the "primary use" of the name —81.110.106.169 (talk) 19:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support: We can sort out the need for DAB later. Anywikiuser (talk) 17:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
The Wikipedia:DAB says that the Primary Use of the article doesn't need disambiguation in the title but if there is a lot of discussion over if there is a "Primary Use" and what it is, then all should have disambiguation. Anywikiuser (talk) 17:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Not moved--no consensus that this particular meaning is the clear primary one, so leave generic DAB page at the simple title. DMacks (talk) 18:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:   In the process of moving it, just waiting wikipedia to remove the old redirect. Should hopefully be Newport railway station later today Shazz0r (talk) 16:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:   Renamed Newport (South Wales) Railway station to tie in with the name on http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/NWP/details.html Which should be considered the official name. Redirect set-up for Newport railway station > here. Old name of High street still forwards to here (for now). Shazz0r (talk) 16:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Undone. Your unilateral action is inconsistent with your stated source. The address of the station in your linked page is just "Newport railway station". There is no consensus for the move. Owain (talk) 21:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved back to Newport SW station. How dare you move this back without discussion after it was agreed to be moved because of Wikipedia's naming conventions. If you re-move this page back, it is purely vandalism. Outline your objection if you feel so strongly on it Welshleprechaun (talk) 23:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, keep it as it is now, it's quite clearly vandalism if you move it back. And incase you missed it, the sources first major part of the link calls the station "Station Facilities: Newport (S. Wales) (NWP)". There is clear support for a name other than "high street" which no one recognises anywhere. Keep it as it is. Shazz0r (talk) 00:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

text:  You know what, i'm just not going to bother. Calling something a name thats not used ANYWHERE is obviously the right way to go... Not. Shazz0r (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have got no problem with the result of the consensus, to return this article to where it was originally (i.e. Newport railway station). That's not what you did though was it? Owain (talk) 14:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, i gave it it's official name due to a WP:Admin moving the redirect of newport railway station to this article as i requested. Shazz0r (talk) 14:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Newport is NEVER referred to as High Street. That was it's formed name. This is like Swansea station, where it used to be called High Street but there are always self-important users trying to promote undeserved importance of their town. The move was agreed on because this is the correct and official name of the station. Alternative name usage is outlined in the article. You've been told not to move, to discuss first but ignoring it is just vandalism. Welshleprechaun (talk) 14:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh and if you dont believe "Newport (South wales)" is the official/ most common name, i'd go tell network rail they've got it wrong in all there published literature. Shazz0r (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 6/2008

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support: We can sort out the need for DAB later. Anywikiuser (talk) 17:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
The Wikipedia:DAB says that the Primary Use of the article doesn't need disambiguation in the title but if there is a lot of discussion over if there is a "Primary Use" and what it is, then all should have disambiguation. Anywikiuser (talk) 17:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
Not moved--no consensus that this particular meaning is the clear primary one, so leave generic DAB page at the simple title. DMacks (talk) 18:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: ::  In the process of moving it, just waiting wikipedia to remove the old redirect. Should hopefully be Newport railway station later today Shazz0r (talk) 16:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:   Renamed Newport (South Wales) Railway station to tie in with the name on http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/NWP/details.html Which should be considered the official name. Redirect set-up for Newport railway station > here. Old name of High street still forwards to here (for now). Shazz0r (talk) 16:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Undone. Your unilateral action is inconsistent with your stated source. The address of the station in your linked page is just "Newport railway station". There is no consensus for the move. Owain (talk) 21:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved back to Newport SW station. How dare you move this back without discussion after it was agreed to be moved because of Wikipedia's naming conventions. If you re-move this page back, it is purely vandalism. Outline your objection if you feel so strongly on it Welshleprechaun (talk) 23:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, keep it as it is now, it's quite clearly vandalism if you move it back. And incase you missed it, the sources first major part of the link calls the station "Station Facilities: Newport (S. Wales) (NWP)". There is clear support for a name other than "high street" which no one recognises anywhere. Keep it as it is. Shazz0r (talk) 00:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

text:  You know what, i'm just not going to bother. Calling something a name thats not used ANYWHERE is obviously the right way to go... Not. Shazz0r (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have got no problem with the result of the consensus, to return this article to where it was originally (i.e. Newport railway station). That's not what you did though was it? Owain (talk) 14:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, i gave it it's official name due to a WP:Admin moving the redirect of newport railway station to this article as i requested. Shazz0r (talk) 14:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Newport is NEVER referred to as High Street. That was it's formed name. This is like Swansea station, where it used to be called High Street but there are always self-important users trying to promote undeserved importance of their town. The move was agreed on because this is the correct and official name of the station. Alternative name usage is outlined in the article. You've been told not to move, to discuss first but ignoring it is just vandalism. Welshleprechaun (talk) 14:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh and if you dont believe "Newport (South wales)" is the official/ most common name, i'd go tell network rail they've got it wrong in all there published literature. Shazz0r (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New move