Talk:Ngo Dinh Diem

message: In the Presidency section, under the subheader Establishment of the Republic of Vietnam, there is a name in the fifth paragraph that does not show up anywhere previously, as far as I can tell. The name is "Miller."
Here is the sentence in question: "However, Miller wrote that Diệm also clamped down on corruption."
I have added a 'Citation Needed' tag for the time being.
--Boze1804 (talk) 03:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is "Miller?" 

message: it is more and more evident to me that diem was embraced by most south vietnamese as a good leader, whereas in american history texts, diem is often portrayed as a corrupt leader who alienated many of his countrymen. my discussions with my father (police officer, numerous talk with elder vietnamese and some books (such as nixons: no more vietnams,  moyars: triumph forsaken) strengthen this view. i suggest we give him an article worthy of the way he led our country. Tridungvo 18:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: diem was a good leader

message: The article does contain one obvious mistake which we should all agree to change.  It gives his successor as Minh, who was really president for 2 days in 1975, but of course it was Thieu. PatGallacher 12:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Minh led the junta that overthrew Diem and ruled briefly before being ousted by Khanh. DHN 16:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Facts are facts.  Facts are not overlooked because a successor arrived quickly. Dkendr (talk) 22:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong successor

message: The numbers cited are from the most recent piece of research based on US Navy Records by twice-Pulitzer nominated historian John Prados, author of Valley of Decisions: The Siege of Khe Sanh, The Sky Would Fall: Operation Vulture - the US Bombing Mission in Indochina, Lost Crusader: The Secret Wars of CIA Director William Colby, and Safe for Democracy: The Secret Wars of the CIA among several others, and senior fellow at the National Security Archive.  Please do not rubbish scholarship just because you don't happen to like its results.  The article carefully explains how the figure of one million was a propaganda piece, and that of the 800,000 actually transported in Operation Passage to Freedom, 350,000 were either military or non-Vietnamese. If you had bothered to check you would have seen that the article is not from a "veteran's website" (or was it "veterans' website"? I couldn't tell as you left out the apostrophe) but from a web archive of the online edition of the VVA Veteran.Cripipper (talk) 11:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prados and numbers 

message: I was wondering whether some Catholics in Vietnam have ever considered Đình Diệm to be a kind of martyr, since he was incidentally assassinated outside a church, and that he had articulate religious views which led him to be hated by US Liberals, North Vietnamese Communists and South Vietnamese Buddhists. His assassination also coincides with the beginning of the long period of persecutions for the Vietnamese Church, which suffered greatly in the following years after the Communists gradually took over the country. ADM (talk) 12:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I know the Viet Catholic church in my city, they worship him as a [unofficial] saint because he gave Catholics extra rights and all that. YellowMonkey  (bananabucket) 01:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Martyr ?

message: I don't understand the opening two sentences:
* "Ngô Đình Diệm was born in Huế, the original capital of the Nguyễn Dynasty of Vietnam."
* and "Diệm came from the village of Phu_Cam in central Vietnam"
Don't they contradict each other or am I missing the point? Bagunceiro (talk) 17:40, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Phu Cam is part of Hue. DHN (talk) 19:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction? 

message: "In this Vietnamese name, the family name is Ngô, but is often simplified to Ngo in English-language text. According to Vietnamese custom, this person should properly be referred to by the given name Diệm." That contradicts with the title. --Sukarnobhumibol (talk) 23:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't. People do refer to Barack Obama as "Obama" and NDD as Diem. There's no rule mandating that the shortform usage has to be the last name in the list YellowMonkey  (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll)  00:41, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issue 

message: Lets everyone chill out for a moment. An argument attempting to ground itself in policy is starting to spiral into a bit of a flamer. There's now an ANI request for WikiFlier to tone down his aggression and keep his comments on the article not on the quality of the other users here, and I think he should or he's going to get dealt with my an admin. If, as someone said on the geo-political/ethnic noticeboard there is consensus at the relevant Wikiproject for the characters to not be used, then they should not unless discussion is raised at that WikiProject to overturn such consensus. If there is clear consensus among the majority that the sources WikiFlier is producing for the characters is not reliable then they should not be added unless such reliable sources are provided. If one "side" is not getting their way it is not an excuse to enter a revert war. There is no time limit, and the article can sit happily in the "wrong version" until we get some consensus here. In the mean time, don't bite each other or force the deployment of the ninja-trout. S.G.(GH) ping! 14:52, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, remember WP:3RR. WikiFlier is definitely close, and the other users should keep in mind that I don't think this qualifies as obvious vandalism. S.G.(GH) ping! 14:55, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Calm down

message: According to this article Thich Quang Duc's remains, including the heart were confiscated. Yet, the main article on Thich Quang Duc states:
"two monks had escaped with the urn, jumping over the back fence and finding safety at the U.S. Operations Mission next door. Nhu's men managed to confiscate Đức's charred heart".
So which article is accurate? Was the heart confiscated and the urn brought to safety or were both eventually confiscated? --Delijdewolfe (talk) 16:38, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepency regarding the remains of Thich Quang Duc 

message: RfC: Should the spelling of Vietnamese names follow the general usage of English-language reliable sources? Your opinion goes here. Examples: Ngo Dinh Diem, Ho Chi Minh, and Saigon, or Ngô Đình Diệm, Hồ Chí Minh, and Sài Gòn. Kauffner (talk) 07:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not the correct place for such a discussion. There is policy on diacritics in general, which you are at liberty to challenge, and there is room for discussion about application to Vietnamese, which belongs on the talk page of WP:VN, as you know, because you have already discussed it with us there and been unable to find consensus for your view. Itsmejudith (talk) 07:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has been stable at the ASCII form for some years. Perhaps its editors would like to know that there is an effort to rewrite the guidelines so it can be moved. Kauffner (talk) 08:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for clarifying that the discussion is not to be held here. Is there an effort to rewrite the guidelines? If there is ongoing discussion on that, then you should direct attention to it, rather than opening the RfC, which could be construed as forum-shopping. Itsmejudith (talk) 08:52, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I linked to the discussion above, which I believe is correctly located at the talk page for WP:Naming conventions (Vietnamese). It is a common practice to notify widely when a discussion of particular importance is being held -- and this one could potentially effect over 1,000 articles. Kauffner (talk) 13:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC on the spelling of Vietnamese names 

message: Half of my mother's family in South Vietnam was Buddhist (the other half was Catholic), and they did not experience this purported oppression of Buddhists by Diem. On the contrary he was seen as a good leader. Many of the Buddhist complaints, specifically the public burning have been attributed to Communist agitators. 
I think the article should mention the extent of the Communist infiltration into South Vietnam, specifically the Communist efforts to stir up parts of the Buddhist population especially through Thich Tri Quang who was himself a Communist supporter.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.87.9.114 (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Communist Involvement in Budhist Protests 

message: I think it doesn't pay appropriate respect to the sacrifice made by Quảng Đức to say:
"Diệm's policies toward the Republic's Montagnard natives and its Buddhist majority were met with protests, culminating in Malcolm Browne's Pulitzer Prize winning photograph of the self-immolation of Buddhist monk Thích Quảng Đức in 1963". Did Diệm's policies towards the Buddhist majority culminate in a Pulitzer Prize winning photo of the ultimate act of protest, or could it be said the protests culminated in Thích Quảng Đức self-immolation, an incident was captured by....?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.64.49.79 (talk) 22:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Respectful rewording 

message: I notice Geoffrey Shaw's book "The Lost Mandate of Heaven: the American betrayal of Ngo Dinh Diem, President of Vietnam" is listed in the "further reading" section, but none of Shaw's arguments are mentioned in the article itself. How did this come about? Shaw's book, while expressing a counterpoint to the popular image of Diem, is very well researched and well argued. The book is not perfect, certainly, but Shaw's viewpoints are nothing to sneeze at either. How could we incorporate some of his counterpoints into this article while maintaining neutrality?TH1980 (talk) 14:00, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the material I can find online is Catholic and Christian reviewers drooling over it but who already agreed with Shaw's argument anyway. If you want to maintain neutrality, find other sources which can help to determine what sort of weight should be due to the book in the first place. 108.34.203.123 (talk) 05:56, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geoffrey Shaw's "The Lost Mandate of Heaven" is in "Further Reading", but his arguments are not mentioned in article? 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: In the last paragraph of the section “Early Career”, it refers to his brother as Cardinal Ngô Đình Thục. Ngô Đình Thục (see the article about him) was never a cardinal. Indeed he was excommunicated at least twice for his traditionalist Sedevacantist activities. The highest he rose in the Catholic hierarchy was Archbishop. I have replaced the word cardinal with bishop, which is what he was at that time. Ptilinopus (talk) 11:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not cardinal 

message: I found out Diems education was college hau bo from Encyclopedia.com. ( https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/southeast-asia-history-biographies/ngo-dinh-diem )
I found a pretty good run down of his schooling on Vietnamese wikipedia, which I had to translate. Why is he not on the list of university of Michigan alumni? Could somebody find a yearbook to prove he was there?
Hue Pellerin Seminary
National School College
Hau Bo School, Hanoi
University of Michigan , USA BigCheddah (talk) 06:52, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education? 

message: In English, in the context of the Vietnam War, he has always been called Zee-em.
I'm 60 years of age. I've never heard him called Jem or Dyem or Zeem.
That's all malarkey, as Pres. Biden would say.
Those of us who watched that war live on TV call him Zee-em.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.97.20.206 (talk) 23:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  English pronunciation  

message: As a Level 5 Vital article I believe this article should be GA. How can we get it there? I see a citation needed tag but once that's cleaned up how can we proceed? Lankyant (talk) 23:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You nominate it: Wikipedia:Good article nominations. Mztourist (talk) 03:52, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I should have been clear, I know the process and have made some GA already. I just wanted to get the groundwork done before I nominate Lankyant (talk) 03:55, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: All the basics seem to be there. I'd just nominate and see what the reviewer says. Mztourist (talk) 05:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Need to tidy up those citation needed tags first Lankyant (talk) 11:44, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added some more. Single sentence paragraphs need tidying up too. Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 09:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get this to Good Article 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  feminist🩸 (talk) 15:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ngo Dinh Diem →  – Diacritics 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 08:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 9 February 2024 

message: In this article, it's said that His Excellency President Ngo-dinh-Diem was enrolled at the prestigious School of Public Administration and Law in Hanoi (which is called as "Hau Bo School, Hanoi" in the infobox).
*First, the school which Mr Diem was enrolled should be Hau-bo School of Hue. Please refer to this Vietnamese article introducing the school: http://tapchisonghuong.com.vn/tin-tuc/p2/c15/n22190/Truong-Hau-Bo-o-Co-do-Hue.html. The Hau-bo School in Hanoi was renamed before Mr Diem enrolled, and a school of the same name was established in the Imperial capital Hue. 
*Here is a biography of Mr Diem published in a Vietnamese newspaper in 1933 (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k4543884g/f1), in which it's written that he entered the "Hau-bo school"in 1918. I think it is a reliable source for revising and refining his biography of his early years as an official.
源義信 (talk) 13:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hau-bo school, Hue