Talk:New wave music

message: On wiki there are articles for British jazz, British hip hop, British soul, British rock music, British rock and roll, Britpop, British rhythm and blues, British pop music and British popular music...now if there are so many differences between what the terms new wave and synthpop mean to people in the UK and USA, shouldn't there be articles about these popular genres viewed only from a British perspective, maybe called British punk and new wave and British synthpop (with obviously no hyphens used).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.173.247 (talk) 15:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: British New Wave and Synthpop

message: Break My Stride - Matthew Wilder RoakleyTheBirb (talk) 00:13, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Song Suggestions? 

message: Wasn't The Smiths one of the most influential/best know "New Wave" / "Alternative" bands?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.248.62 (talk) 03:26, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The Smiths are influenced by the hardcore punk scene so no they don't count as New Wave. They are better described as Alternative Rock as Alternative Rock is influenced by Hardcore Punk, not traditional 70s Punk. New Wave Rock is rooted in 50s rock n roll. The Smiths music isn't based on 50s rock n roll. FreakyBoy (talk) 16:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Smiths are influenced by the hardcore punk scene"... this is so flabbergastingly wrong I can't begin to list the ways it is wrong. The core of The Smiths, Johnny Marr and Morrissey don't list any hardcore punk bands as their influences. See Johnny_Marr#Style_and_influences where the closest to hardcore punk is maybe The Velvet Underground and that's a long stretch. As for Morrissey, I don't see how Dusty Springfield, Sandie Shaw fall in the punk category, but I guess you could say he was influenced by Talking Heads, the Ramones, and Blondie, but not so much hardcore punk. --Anonymous 75.226.100.219 (talk) 03:02, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Smiths? 

message: Does anyone have an issue with the removal of this paragraph from the Popularity in the US section: 
:An African-American "new wave" also arose in the US in the late 1970s and early 1980s, driven, according to AllMusic, by "drum machines, synthesizers and programming [becoming] common studio tools". Following the minimalist approach of Stevie Wonder and Parliament-Funkadelic, post-disco explored the electronic and experimental side of African-American music by incorporating Jamaican music, electronic art music, jazz, blues, and in the latter years European and Japanese synthesizer music. Expanding disco music, post-disco took many forms, such as the rhythm and blues-based NYC boogie, the post-punk–based alternative dance, the underground-club-culture-centered Chicago house with its own style of dance called jacking, and futurism–leaning Detroit techno. According to Afrika Bambaataa ("Renegades of Funk") and Arthur Baker, embracing new wave, synth-pop music was influential to both underground and mainstream black dance music electro, dance-rock, and Minneapolis sound.
I'm personally very confused by this paragraph's inclusion in the article. From what I can tell, this is about post-disco which already has its own Wikipedia article. User:ILIL your thoughts? Editingpersona (talk) 23:28, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just as confused. ili (talk) 15:16, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing part of the popularity in the US section 

message: Some of the content in this article looks as though it is in the mindset of someone from the late 90s/early 2000s. New Wave never went away, and if anything most pop music today sounds more like new wave than anything else. Avalon2k41 (talk) 20:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia. If you would like to change the contents of this article, you should find some WP:Reliable sources saying that new wave is still around, and WP:CITE those sources when adding more explanation about the current state of things. The best sources are from musicologists, music critics, and professional journalists. Binksternet (talk) 22:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Wave Is Still Around 

message: Should Lothar and the Hand People's 1968 cover of "Machines" be included in some way shape or form, the only outlet that has ever talked about it presaging new wave is cracked magazine. To add on, I doubt the song was influential if at all, but it exists in its own bubble as being incredibly ahead of its time.
It sounds like DEVO and the Flying Lizards years before they'd start. https://www.cracked.com/article_19094_6-songs-that-were-decades-ahead-groundbreaking-music.html Aradicus77 (talk) 00:04, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Aradicus77 Cracked is not reliable. Tireauclaire (talk) 21:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proto-New Wave? Lothar and the Hand People 

message: Ok, @Binksternet, I thought I was done here and erased my account information (including password) but I saw you reverted me, so gonna do these last few things and then we're done.
Let's have a look at the sources. Nickson, a UK source, has a section "New Wave music in the 1970s" and says the genre was overwhelmed at the beginning of the 80s by the New Romantics. He makes no mention of new wave in the section for 80s music, except on one of the indie pages by mentioning how new wave guitars inspired the indie bands. On the other hand, AllMusic, a US source, says new wave was "during the late '70s and early '80s" and died in 1984. Cateforis, a US author whose entire body of work on new wave is heavily focused on America to the exclusion of any other country, says in his "Death of New Wave essay" that the new wave period was "sometime in the late-1970s to the mid-1980s". Ok. Now for a few more. 
Robert Christgau and Lester Bangs, both of whom covered new wave heavily in the 70s, say the genre was ending or had ended as the 80s began and lasted anywhere from one to three years. Chuck Eddy, who wrote for the Voice in the 80s, says it was already over by the time of new pop bands' popularity on MTV (so, the early-mid 80s). Andrew Collins, in his piece for the Guardian, offers the formation of Duran Duran (1978) and the breakup of the Jam (1982) as two possible ending dates. He then splits the difference basically by saying Elvis Costello, new wave's patron saint, had abandoned the genre by 1980 but that it continued in the US until 1986 or later. The owner of CBGBs said he thinks of 1974 as the beginning of new wave.
Clearly there is no consensus here. If we want to be more specific than just 1970s-1980s, the closest we could nail it to would probably be "mid-70s to early 80s". It's clear that going by the sources used in the article, and attempting to have an opening sentence that isn't biased to one country's perspective over another's, new wave is about equally associated with the 1970s as it is the 1980s, if not a little more with the former. However, it's better to air on the side of inclusivity and summarizing the literature, presenting all points of view, so the inarguable best solution is to say 1970s through the 1980s. 
As for the reverts you made on synthesizer, Blitz Kids, and Second British Invasion, I'm not going to let you pretend that was anything other than pointless dick waving. You know how to read an article and click on a source, you know what constructive versus disruptive editing looks like, and you know perfectly well what overreaching and being disingenuous look like. An apology would be nice, but I know that's too much to ask for so ceasing to revert what are self-evidently well-supported and non-tendentious edits (like the "genre that uses the synthesizer as the main instrument" being associated with the synthesizer) would suffice. If you can do that we'll be done here, I can't speak for jinglyjangle or anyone else but after this I want no further part with this website ever again. Black Hand 1914 (talk) 18:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dating new wave - let's try this again 

message: Yes Germany has too many New Wave music in the 1980's but as we all comprehend' it is sang in an International English Language like Milli Vanilli from Germany to London, New York East Coast to and later the West Coast. 103.224.94.25 (talk) 21:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a change you're hoping to make in the article or something? Sergecross73 msg me 00:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Wave of Germany (Deutschland) 

message: "if you smell bad we dont like you " -Greenday 2601:98D:C200:1810:BAA5:37C5:D57:B7CC (talk) 22:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 22:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2024