Talk:The Spirit (2008 film)

message: *The Spirit Panel at NY Comic-Con '07
*NYCC, XTRA: "WILL EISNER’S THE SPIRIT" PANEL
*Frank Miller to write, direct 'Spirit'
*Miller sees Jackson as evil 'Spirit'
*Miller's Spirit at Lionsgate
*Sam Jackson Suits Up As Octopus For Frank Miller’s ‘The Spirit’
*'Spirit' moves Frank Miller
*Miller on Sin City 2 and The Spirit
*THE SPIRIT MOVIE UPDATE
* Myron 10:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the heads-up.  I created a Cast section now that we have more than one person. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations for use 

message: "At the New York Comic-con on February 24, 2007, Michael Uslan stated that production is going lightning fast and said that Frank Miller is nearing completion of what looks to be the final draft. When asked if the film will be a hard R, he said that while the film will have elements of Frank Miller's film noir, that the expectation is a hard PG-13 in order to stay true to Will Eisner's vision. Mr. Uslan also stated that at this point pre-production for The Spirit is expected to begin very soon, most likely before that of Sin City 2."
*The article already says that principal photography will begin in late spring 2007.
*The article already says that Miller has begun a second draft.  Saying "what looks to be" is speculative.
*The actual quote regarding the rating is, "It's hard to say until we have a script to analyze and figure out… If I had to guess, I would say more of a hard PG-13."  Guesses aren't confirmation of actual film ratings.
*Cited mention of The Spirit likely to begin before Sin City 2 has already been added.
:I'm removing the uncited passage on these grounds of redundancy and inaccuracy. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 15:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncited passage 

message: Why wouldn't we want to include Scarlett Johansson and Eva Mendes in the cast list?  They are bona fide stars and not bit players.  I propose that we add those names to the data box (along with the names of the Executive Producers and the CoProducers). Dawgknot 15:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Arthur the Cat?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.19.217 (talk) 20:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: CAST

message: The Spirit is not a comic strip!
From Spirit:
"The Spirit is a fictional American masked crime-fighter, created by writer-artist Will Eisner in 1940, who starred in a Sunday-newspaper comic-book insert."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.189.30.109 (talk) 20:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: His superpower made him look like a cartoon character. A piano falls on him, so what? It can't hurt him. It's funny in cartoons but not in live action films.(178.236.117.122 (talk) 21:10, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comic book 

message: is a long time fan of The Spirit. His first Batman-Story (a short christmas story) shows influence of Will Eisner, in a reprint comic book of the The Spirit by Kitchen Sink Press is his letter and he had long talks with Will Eisner.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.189.30.109 (talk) 20:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank Miller 

message: Superherohype has released three new posters of the film (http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=7020). I consider we could replace the current picture for the third one of these posters, as it is more movie-related (that is, it features the actor who´s playing the character and isn´t just a drawing).Franshu (talk) 21:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, the third one will be out of context by itself, having only the caption, "And I am her Spirit."  Not to mention that the posters have the SHH! watermark.  I think we should wait a little longer for a one-sheet.  Would that be OK?  I do realize that the existing poster is a bit old. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New posters 

message: Will it be  PG-13 or R  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.151.115 (talk) 14:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rating 

message: Do we have any budget figures for this film? --Cameron Scott (talk) 20:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Budget 

message: Why is the fact that the film is a comedy not mentioned?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.113.175 (talk) 18:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  satire/comedy 

message: This is a noir film. Did people overlook this??? LOL(LonerXL (talk) 00:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Film noir?  It's a comic book adaptation, and not a very good one.  Just because it's dark doesn't make it a film noir. 71.200.140.35 (talk) 03:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 71.200.140.35 is correct. Film noir has specific genre mechanics that this movie does not have. Plenty written about it, easy to look up.--Tenebrae (talk) 01:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Film Noir

message: From the description of the character's behaviour and motivation, Saref does not seem to fit the definition of anti-heroine.  Certainly, she is a femme fatale, but she does not appear to be self-directed the way that classic anti-heroes are, e.g., Conan of Cimmeria, Clint Eastwood's un-named characters in many of his Western films.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by CLSwiki (talk • contribs) 22:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd call her a secondary villain. Remember that she did manipulate that poor man into committing suicide and was unusually nonchalant when Mahmoud died. --24.46.117.40 (talk) 03:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sand Saref as an anti-heroine ? 

message: The explanation of the plot is too long, seeming to take in every little action that happens in the movie. It should be shortened. 12.31.21.15 (talk) 12:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Reidgreg (talk) 18:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot  

message: The lead section says the film was a commercial failure and then in the "Reception" section it says it was a box office bomb. I'm not into the movie so I can't really comment, but this should be fixed. --uKER (talk) 16:02, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The phrase is also colloquial and conversational WP:TONE, and may not mean the same in other than American English. I'm going to insert a more neutral and less slangy phrase. -- Tenebrae (talk) 03:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, it looks like someone beat me to it! I did find an apparent piece of vandalism or marketing/promotion, though. -- Tenebrae (talk) 03:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory reception 

message: So the info box on the right states that the film took $39 billion?! The actual figure is $39,031,337 and is from the same source.
Also, above the main feature picture, it just Scarlett johnson. That is not meant to be there plus that isn't even her name.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.169.131.211 (talk) 13:20, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surely that's a box office record?! 

message: When I first saw this movie a couple of years ago, I was really surprised that a movie that
was said to be so dumb had opera references in it.
And if personally I happened to pick up on some opera references, then maybe there were other interesting literary references that were too subtle for me.
So I documented the opera references I noticed.
But of course this is Wikipedia where no one is ever allowed to point out anything interesting or intelligent or insightful.
Everything here must be kept as retarded as possible.
So if the first line of this movie happened to be "Call me Ishmael", I would not be allowed
to point out that that's the first line of Moby Dick and provide a reference to prove it.
Because Wikipedia must be kept stupid at all times.
I would have to wait for some idiot at the New York Post to notice that the first line
is the same as Moby Dick and then I could quote him stating the bloody obvious.
If there is something that is crystal clear to me because I'm 50 years of age and have read a
hell of a lot of different types of shit, I am not allowed to point it out for the benefit of those who are 18 or 20 and haven't gotten around to reading Melville yet.
So here is what I wrote about the film's opera references:
:Elsewhere, Floss discovers the Octopus’s severed finger crawling toward her. She picks it up and departs, possibly planning to clone The Octopus, and saying, "Who knows what I'll do." 
Floss's sendoff line, "Who knows what I'll do," is the same as the final line of the character of Loge from Richard Wagner's 1869 opera Das Rheingold. (See Loge – person and element, commentator and agent by Kristian Evensen.) The Spirit had earlier referred to himself as a Flying Dutchman, the title character of Wagner's 1843 opera.When the Octopus complains, "Enough of this frog talk!", his comment follows the "C'est toi? C'est moi!" exchange between Plaster of Paris and the Spirit. This dialogue appears in the duet between Carmen and Don José in Bizet's opera Carmen. 
:At dawn, the Spirit stands triumphant on a rooftop with his cat.
So there is a quotation from Wagner, a reference to Wagner, and a quotation from Bizet.
Notice that I did not write "The Spirit is based on or The Spirit quotes from..." I didn't say that at all, because I would need to prove that the connection was deliberate if I said it was. So I didn't use phrasing of that kind. I merely pointed out that the last line of this movie happens to be the same as the last line of a really really famous opera. Draw whatever conclusions you want from that; it's up to you.
If I draw a conclusion and write it down, that is OR. I do not draw any conclusion; I simply point out a correlation, and that is not OR.
It is up to each reader to draw any inference.
Varlaam (talk) 01:29, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The opera references in this film 

message: Any reason it's not mentioned here? 24.63.255.226 (talk) 07:54, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: TV Movie?

message: The lead summary of the film's reception mentions it "being criticized by the levity".  What does that even mean? Perhaps it needs rewriting. -- Pemilligan (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Criticized by the levity"? 

message: It came out in 1986 and featured Sam Jones as Denny Colt / The Spirit, with Nana Visitor as Ellen Dolan and Garry Walberg as her father, the Commissioner. It was well paced and quite faithful to the comics but like this version, never did well. Eisner when he first thought up the character was told he should give him a costume. After some thought, Eisner added a mask to his new creation, which was accepted. It worked in comics but a tough guy whose only gimmick is a mask does not seem to do well in films.(178.236.117.122 (talk) 21:07, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The first Spirit film

message: This article mentions twice that the film has developed a cult following. Granted, there's no metric to qualify what a 'cult following' is, there's also nothing to indicate it was anything but a cool reception. The two sources provided: "CD Computing News. "Lionsgate Debuts Frank Miller's Action Film 'The Spirit'", Entrepreneur, June 1, 2009" in the header is a dead link and a search of the Entrepreneur suggests the article has been completely removed. I will remove the mention of cult status until a new source can be found. The second mention sources only this: "Sterling, Mike (26 August 2012). "Why I love The Spirit (2008) (and you should too)". The Tearoom of Despair. Blogspot. Retrieved 16 November 2013." As a blogspot article, it can't be held alone to qualify this movie as a cult film. I'm not saying it doesn't have a cult following, I'm saying we need better sources otherwise Wikipedia can force cult status on movies by way of self-fulfilling prophecy.68.96.52.9 (talk) 20:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cult Following" 

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message: I've completed some pucntion and style cleanup. In particular the tense in the plot may need further editing for consistency. Plots and story lines are best written from the time reference of the characters rather than if you saw the film and are reciting what happened relative to you the movie goer. Hope that helps. Dr.khatmando (talk) 08:46, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I put the flashbacks in past tense, and brought the plot closer to the 400–700 word recommendation of WP:FILMPLOT. – Reidgreg (talk) 18:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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