Talk:Nationalist Party (Northern Ireland)

message: The article on politics.ie/wiki was written by me.--padraig3uk 15:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were formed after the partition of Ireland from the Northern Ireland members of the Irish Parliamentry Party, they would otherwise be refered to as the Nationalist party.--padraig3uk 15:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: What is the justification for having this article when there is already an article on Nationalist Party (Ireland) which it simply duplicates the content of? Furthermore where are the sources that say that there was such a thing as the 'National Party' ?? In virtually every reliable source including CAIN  , Nicholas Whyte's elections site  , the two books on the 1973 local elections by James Knight and Sidney Elliott and most important of all, the official 1973 results sheets themselves, the candidates are described as 'Nationalist Party'. Accordingly I would suggest that this page be merged into that (there's hardly anything different on here anyhow) with appropriate notes/redirects if necessary to say that in some sources they were called National Party (references needed.) Valenciano 09:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There has never been a political party called the Nationalist party, the term was just a genetic term used for Irish politicans   who where nationalist ranging from independents, the Home Rule league, the Irish Parliamentary Party, etc.--padraig3uk 11:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So you've said, but I've given you sources above that show that they certainly contested elections under the label Nationalist Party. In contrast I can't find any reference to "National Party of Northern Ireland" so this does cast doubt on your statement. So you do need to provide citations. You might also like to see the discussion on the Nationalist Party (Ireland) page. Valenciano 11:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: They described themselves as the Nationalist Party and stood as such in the 1973 elections. Chiefly, what I'm asking is where have you got 'National Party of Northern Ireland' from? It doesn't represent either the orgs self description or journalists descriptions. So at the very least, as has been suggested elsewhere  this article should be renamed 'Nationalist Party (Northern Ireland). However I would still suggest that this article should be merged with the other one with a mention there that the Home rule league and IPP were incorrectly named by journos. Valenciano 12:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See 'Modern Irish History Since 1800 - the Longman handbook of.  there are other references but that is the only one I have at hand at present.  Your missingthe point nationalist party was a term used to discribe all these parties but none of them where ever officially named as such.--padraig3uk 12:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that book is the only example of the name in use turned up by Google Books.  Any other examples would be very useful. Warofdreams talk 18:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The Nationalist Party or Irish Nationalist Party is just a genetic name used to discribe many different parties and organisation through the years, much in much the same way as Plaid Cymru and the Scottish National Party are referred to as Nationalists at present rather than their correct title.--padraig3uk 18:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article should be merged into Nationalist Party 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Support. For the reasons outlined above and elsewhere on this page.Damac 18:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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