Template talk:Superman

message: Regarding the Untitled Superman Returns Sequel, calling it Superman VI is premature at this time, as such, I'd like to simpy call it 'untitled superman returns sequel', so as to not start a false rumor, nor create duplicating pages.ThuranX 16:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Superman Returns Sequel

message: OK, we've had two goes in the past few days at adding some indication of which films are in the "Official Film Continuity" - I deleted the first one but I'll discuss this newer, less intrusive one (asterisks). But to discuss: What is "official" film continuity? Both times, it's been marked as Superman, Superman II and Superman Returns. I'd say that's Bryan Singer's "official continuity" but just because SR retconned Superman III and IV doesn't mean they are no longer "official" sequels to S1 and S2. You could just as easily argue that Superman I-IV are "official" and SR is not. I am not trying to bash SR or Bryan Singer, I'm just saying there is really no "official" continuity and it isn't really necessary for us to highlight this controversial discussion in what is supposed to be a simple links box. —EatMyShortz 16:18, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Where is it cited that those films are the "offical" film canon? And do we care enough to list this in a infobox? Remove any mention of "Offical Continuity" and remove the asterisks.  Colonial One 04:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  It's meaningless.Rhindle The Red 16:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official film continuity 

message: Not going to start an edit type thing, but in light of the otherwise thorough job done here, and the relatively significant nature of Superpup with regard to George Reeves' series and death, i think that including it under the 'other' category isn't thoroughly inappropriate.ThuranX 03:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superpup 

message: All the other major actor who have portrayed Superman are in here, but how can we fit in Dean Cain? Not under the Films section, but I think he should a mention. Perhaps reformating the Films section and having a new Actors section, or something like that?  Thoughts?  --Colonial One 07:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. The only reason George Reeves got listed was for the Mole Men serial, not for the TV show. Likewise, Gerard Christpoher and the other guy haven't been listed for their Superboy roles. Dean Cain's work is fully detailed under the entry for his series. Remember, this is a template for Superman, not for actors who've portrayed Superman. ThuranX 14:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Where's Dean?

message: I've made a set of edits to reduce the unwieldy size of this to match the style after a large number of edits made at Template:The Batman. Since that page was originally modelled on this one, it makes sense to match this one to that one. Hope no body worked to hard on this one. ThuranX 18:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some background: ThuranX recently created  on the model of this template.  When editors more familiar with the Batman articles than this original edited it, he became upset (see Template talk:The Batman), and edited this template to match "the same mess you've made" the Batman template.  I don't think that's necessary: as Emerson said, "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" — not that I'm calling ThuranX a "little mind", just saying that there's no need for the two templates to match point-for-point.  The histories of Superman and Batman are different, and the templates should reflect that.  At least, that's my opinion. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  more background. All edits to the batman template were made either  without REAL discussion, or with none. where My input was given, it was disregarded. Discussion consisted of 'post to talk page regarding change, make change to page, change talk page to claim done as per talk page discussion', often in a period of a minute or three. Given that the ddraconian nature of the edits was clear, it only makes logical sense to stop fighting and assimilate. Thus, I have contributed to this page by making it like the other page. less bulky, less information oriented, and more streamlined. Perhaps my last edit of useless dead peopel seemed snarky to Josiah Rowe. In accordance with his critique, I have reverted the page to the last 'good' edit to match the Batman template.ThuranX 19:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just like the Batman template this one is also bloated, there should only be four sections on this template: Heroes, Supporting Characters, Villains & Locations. Why are there Canceled, Alternate versions, Broadcast, Live Action and Other Media sections on a comics template? Use those to make a separate "Superman Media" template and focus this one more on comics. Also in my opinion you should get rid of the Comics and Storylines sections they aren't needed. --Basique 19:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I'll go ahead and do that. ThuranX 19:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: This is insane. First MiB reverts my edits, then he does EXACTLY what I did, calls MY version POV, and claims his is good? This is Orwellian. ThuranX 20:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matching with [[:Template:Batman|Template:The Batman]] 

message: Please follow this link Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/templates/navboxes to join in on the discussion . --Basique 12:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Navbox Guidelines

message: We have a listing for the Legion cartoon; should the Superfriends/Justice League cartoons be on as well? Or should any of them be there? --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 18:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  animated series 

message: Split the "other media" appearances of Superman into its own infobox: Template:Superman in other media.  The media information wasn't relevant to many Superman-related articles (characters, for example). - jc37 21:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 08:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Media

message: We're discussing standardization of the Batman/Superman templates at  Template_talk:Batman#Template_width. Doczilla 22:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template width

message: I thought I'd start a category where we would discuss the standards for inclusion of items in the Superman navbox. I dropped Livewire from and added Prankster to the list of villains under the principle that any character listed under "Villains" in the Superman navbox should be listed among Superman's "Major Enemies" on the List of Superman enemies, which is linked in the navbox from the Villains header. Earlier, I removed Volcana both based on this principle, and on the understanding that the Superman navbox is oriented toward the comic book version(s) of the character, and therefore should not include characters who haven't appeared in the comics. Spiderboy12 14:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just undid several additions to the navbox by an IP-only editor for reasons explained in the tag added to the edit. Please note that the villains and supporting characters listed in the template should be major characters in the Superman comic-book mythos. Mala's historical importance as Superman's first Kryptonian foe to appear in comics (in 1950) notwithstanding, he appears in only a couple comics, and then fades into history. Phantom Zone villains other than Zod are covered in the Phantom Zone page, linked via the Phantom Zone villains listing. Mercy Graves is Luthor's henchwoman and hardly rises to the level of major villain. Also, there is separate navbox for Superman in other media, so the movie-only villain Nuclear Man should not be listed here either. I've kept Bibbo for now; I'm undecided about whether he's really a major enough character for the navbox. Spiderboy12 (talk) 01:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed about Chloe, and I just removed her. I don't agree about Cat Grant. Though I like the character, I think if we include her, we should include a number of supporting characters of similar stature, such as Morgan Edge, Steve Lombard (who's also coming back into the comics!), Lucy Lane, Dan Turpin, Inspector Henderson, Maggie Sawyer, Susie Tompkins (an oldie but a goodie!), and so forth. The idea is to keep the template list to a small number of major characters. There's plenty of room for debate about individual characters, of course. As for the split between "Heroes & Allies" and "Supporting Characters", I don't really see the need. The "Characters" list is short enough not to cause any confusion. Spiderboy12 (talk) 04:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Standards for inclusion

message: Because so many story arcs could potentially be included in the Superman navbox, I suggest removing the Storylines section completely. Instead, add a link for the "Storylines" category to Miscellanea, and also include perhaps "Origin of Superman" and "Death of Superman", because the "Origin" is really ubiquitous to any version of Kal-El and not a storyline per se, and "Death of Superman" may be the best-known comic book story arc, period. Don't get me wrong; I love the Alan Moore-scripted "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" and the various recent arcs added by Brown Shoes22, but I'm not sure that they belong in a navigation template of limited size. Rather, they should be added to the Superman Storylines category, if they are not already present. Anyone else have any thoughts? Spiderboy12 03:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Remove that section. The recent addition of numerous stories makes it clear that there is insufficient way to agree on which storylines belong there. Doczilla 07:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Refactored the section, which should help. - jc37 13:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good move, jc37. Thanks. Spiderboy12 16:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove Storylines section?

message: Why is Adventure Comics listed among the former titles? That series never starred Superman. Shouldn't the link be too Adventures of Superman, instead? --TimPendragon (talk) 06:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, you've corrected me on that. However, I'd still suggest a link to Adventures of Superman in the template. I know it's a redirect to another title, but someone looking for Adventures might not know that. --TimPendragon (talk) 02:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Adventure Comics?

message: Given the prominent role they played in the youth of the Silver Age Superman and the current Superman, I think there needs to be a link to the Legion of Super-Heroes article in this template, either in the supporting characters or miscellanea section.  Thoughts?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:13, March 13, 2009 (UTC)
:I noticed in browsing through the history that the Legion was part of the template, but was removed out of fear that this would open the door to adding Batman, the JLA, etc.  While I see the point of this fear, I do not think it is warranted.  Batman, the JLA and all the rest began as their own characters and interacted with Superman later; Superman was not a vital part of their development, nor they in his.  The Legion, however, began as a Superboy story and continued to be just a supporting story in Superman books for many years.  While they may have grown into their own feature, they didn't start out that way.  Additionally, in both the original continuity and the current one with the return of the Original Legion, they played a very important role in Kal's formative years, and his development into a hero; I think they fit the definition of supporting characters of Superman quite well for the purposes of this template.  I am going to be bold and add them back in; if anyone objects, we can discuss it here.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have no objection to an affiliations section.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

text: They do have a template of their own; that doesn't mean they don't belong on this one.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legion 

message: It seems obvious to me that the Legion (and maybe the JLA too, if you guys insist) is important enough to Superman's backstory and development (and vice-versa) that they need to be linked to in this template.  The real question is where to put them.  I see four options:
:1.  Add them to the Superman Family section.
::*  It seems like the most logical place for them, since this is where the other superpowered associates of Superman are listed.
::*  However, they've never really been referred to as part of the "Superman Family" directly.
:2.  Add them to the Supporting Characters section.
::*  While the title certainly seems more appropriate to their original role, this section seems to contain characters who are (usually) not superpowered.
:3.  Add them to the Miscellanea section.
::*  The Legion doesn't really seem to fit with the other links already in that section.  The miscellanea section seems to be being used for alternate versions and media of the characters.
:4.  Create a new section called "Teams" (or "Affiliations" if you'd rather).
::*  This seems like the most viable option, as it doesn't try to shoehorn the Legion (and I suppose the JLA) into a section that it really doesn't belong in.  It also has the advantage of being narrowly defined enough that the section is not likely to explode to a rediculous size or include more tangentially connected characters, like Batman.
Therefore, I support creating a new "Teams" section in the template, between the "Villains" and "Locations" sections.  Thoughts?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where to add the Legion (and maybe the JLA, too, if you guys insist) 

message: Who else belives we should lighten down the villain list, and only include the "main" ones? Let me know.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxRebo120 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Villains

message: Novels
Lena Thorul is a peripheral character in the Elliott S! Maggin novel "Superman: Miracle Monday".  The magician Max Maven threatens to find out and disclose her identity as Lex Luthor's sister in order to get Superman to come visit him at the Magic Castle.
76.104.160.235 (talk) 05:40, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Lena Luthor and Miracle Monday are already in the template, if you were suggesting adding either of those. — Bility (talk) 22:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 76.104.160.235, 7 April 2011