Talk:Whiplash (medicine)

message: I added this because the article seems overly focused on Quebec.  Quebec is not the only place where whiplash occurs, and it would be nice to see how its regarded in the rest of the world (or even the rest of Canada or North America for that matter).  It certianly needs more about the medical side of things, and maybe an X-ray image if someone can aquire one without copyright and patient privacy issues. ONUnicorn 14:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldview template 

message: I have added the findings of Castro et al, because I think it is important to also show that some research, especially by law firms has been done in this field, as whiplash in low stages is hard to diagnose and sometimes no pathological reason can be found.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.199.51.230 (talk) 13:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whiplash like symptoms reported after placebo rear end collision 

message: This page has some of the same text as the article. Not sure who copied who. Edward 12:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible copyright violation

message: The sections added by User:Hkiessecker (here) really don't belong in my mind - there are no sources, they seem to criticize the medical establishment pretty strongly considering there are no sources, there seems to be some original research or assumptions happening, the tone is all wrong, and I find it virtually incomprehensible from a purely english perspective.  The links added are all to some sort of whiplash wiki, which are barred by the external links policy.  Any other thoughts?  WLU 19:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Endorse removal per WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:RS, WP:NOR, WP:SOAP, WP:SPAM, WP:COI, WP:EL, and any other policy that I am missing. Leuko 19:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New sections 

message: Does the Protection section seem like an ill-conceived attempt to advertise to anyone else?  WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 01:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whiplash_(medicine)#Protection 

message: (Part of the WikiProject Medicine effort)
=== Background section: ===
*Citation needed for “Whiplash is commonly associated with motor vehicle accidents”. I suggest the following reference, Clinical Application of Neuromuscular Techniques: The Upper Body, By Leon Chaitow, Judith DeLany, page 261: http://books.google.com/books?id=H6yOM8uYYZkC&pg=PA261&dq=whiplash+horse&cd=10#v=onepage&q=whiplash%20horse&f=false
*Possible replacement reference for the “when vehicle has been hit in the rear” statement: The whiplash encyclopedia: the facts and myths of whiplash By Robert Ferrari, page 43. http://books.google.com/booksid=yZpMi0ktOVoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=facts+and+myths+of+whiplash&cd=1#v=onepage&q=rear&f=false
For “bicycles and horses” 
*If you change the sentence to be more of a summary, then cite http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000025.htm could be used instead
*If “bicycles and horses” must stay, this could be used: Clinical Application of Neuromuscular Techniques: The Upper Body By Leon Chaitow, Judith DeLany, Edition 2, 2008, page 262. http://books.google.com/books?id=H6yOM8uYYZkC&pg=PA261&dq=whiplash+horse&cd=10#v=onepage&q=whiplash%20horse&f=false
**Page 261 actually mentions falls from bikes, horses.
The “car insurers” phrase could use a cite. 
*I suggest the British auto insurer report that is the basis for the BBC story cite (could be used in conjunction with BBC story). http://www.abi.org.uk/Media/Releases/2008/11/ABI_reveals_whiplash_epidemic.aspx
*The citation after “accounting for 14% of every driver’s premium” is good for the first half of this same sentence. However, I cannot find this particular statistic in the reference, and I am also unable to provide another reference for that statistic. There are many references out there about the cost to each driver. For example, I suggest changing this phrase to say “account for £66 of each driver’s insurance premium” because this is found within the BBC story.
* The fragment " (75% of the UK's motor insurance claims)" has been removed as it is factually incorrect and not supported by the citation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.23.247 (talk) 20:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact and Citation Check 

message: *Citation needed for “Whiplash is commonly associated with motor vehicle accidents”. I suggest the following reference, Clinical Application of Neuromuscular Techniques: The Upper Body, By Leon Chaitow, Judith DeLany, page 261: http://books.google.com/books?id=H6yOM8uYYZkC&pg=PA261&dq=whiplash+horse&cd=10#v=onepage&q=whiplash%20horse&f=false
*Possible replacement reference for the “when vehicle has been hit in the rear” statement: The whiplash encyclopedia: the facts and myths of whiplash By Robert Ferrari, page 43. http://books.google.com/booksid=yZpMi0ktOVoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=facts+and+myths+of+whiplash&cd=1#v=onepage&q=rear&f=false
For “bicycles and horses” 
*If you change the sentence to be more of a summary, then cite http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000025.htm could be used instead
*If “bicycles and horses” must stay, this could be used: Clinical Application of Neuromuscular Techniques: The Upper Body By Leon Chaitow, Judith DeLany, Edition 2, 2008, page 262. http://books.google.com/books?id=H6yOM8uYYZkC&pg=PA261&dq=whiplash+horse&cd=10#v=onepage&q=whiplash%20horse&f=false
**Page 261 actually mentions falls from bikes, horses.
The “car insurers” phrase could use a cite. 
*I suggest the British auto insurer report that is the basis for the BBC story cite (could be used in conjunction with BBC story). http://www.abi.org.uk/Media/Releases/2008/11/ABI_reveals_whiplash_epidemic.aspx
*The citation after “accounting for 14% of every driver’s premium” is good for the first half of this same sentence. However, I cannot find this particular statistic in the reference, and I am also unable to provide another reference for that statistic. There are many references out there about the cost to each driver. For example, I suggest changing this phrase to say “account for £66 of each driver’s insurance premium” because this is found within the BBC story.
* The fragment " (75% of the UK's motor insurance claims)" has been removed as it is factually incorrect and not supported by the citation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.23.247 (talk) 20:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background section: 

message: *I suggest adding another reference after this sentence “The consequences of whiplash range from mild pain for a few days (which is the case for most people)[19], to severe disability caused by restricted head movement or of the cervical spine, sometimes withpersistent pain.”  I suggest the following reference: The headaches By Jes Olesen, page 880: http://books.google.com/books?id=VXMI1ry9FgQC&pg=PA880&dq=whiplash+pain+restricted+movement&cd=1#v=onepage&q=whiplash%20pain%20restricted%20movement&f=false
*For the cerebral blood flow sentence, I suggest adding another reference that is open access, such as Foundations for integrative musculoskeletal medicine: an east-west approach, By Alon Marcus, Michael Kuchera, page 619: http://books.google.com/books?id=WbThUt45ZXgC&pg=PA619&dq=whiplash+alterations+cerebral+blood+flow&cd=10#v=onepage&q=whiplash%20alterations%20cerebral%20blood%20flow&f=false
*I hope that these sources will be of assistance in the efforts to improve this wiki. Best wishes! FactCheck EH (talk) 01:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prognosis section: 

message: Yeah......  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.142.68 (talk) 02:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metallica 

message: Perhaps a section on the possibility that many whiplash injuries are in fact due to a confluence of a semi-fraudulent personal injury law industry and suggestibility/nocebo effect in minor road traffic accident victims. Sorry about pay-wall. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article3401701.ece
Great suggestion. There is a lot of sources which suggest whiplash fraud is a major problem among auto insurers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.113.3 (talk) 19:25, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: COnsidering this has become a greatly debated legal issue in the uk I also think a section should be added about this.Peachywink (talk) 04:58, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fraudulent injury. 

message: 70 years of study mostly funded by the auto insurance industry, with the requirement the any diagnosis or treatment must be cost effective, why is anyone surprised its still a mystery, meanwhile the insurers enjoy record profits and talk up fraud, while they have been avoiding paying or caring properly for victims. 2403:580C:1E83:0:3807:49E:5FA0:6913 (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  70 years of study funded mainly by the auto insurance industry