Talk:Deportation of Armenian intellectuals on 24 April 1915

message: How would you translate ազգ. ու կրթ. գործիչ into English? I tried with 'patriot or educator'. What sounds more modern? - If I know more specific professions than given those by Teotig I'll use them but there are still a lot of deportees who are just 'patriots or educators' according to Teotig. That's not very satisfying. Apocolocynthosis (talk) 22:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: The language here is not clear.  One can only guess what information is meant to be conveyed.   It needs research/improvement Hmains (talk) 03:15, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Court martial section

message: I don't think their names should be written in Armenian language in this page. It makes the page look too tacky and it actually goes against Wiki's rules. In Wiki rules, their names should only be written in the native language in their own page like Aram Andonian. Chaldean (talk) 07:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think you're right, but as you see, most of the people don't have a separate page. --Yerevanci (talk) 01:31, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Names in Armenian

message: What's the purpose of having this template on the page? Irish Melkite (talk) 10:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Coloured Dates

message: Whered the entire list of deportees go?! That was a really important for genocide researchers and scholars!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Proudbolsahye (talk • contribs) 01:14, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Deportees

message: * I looked up all the given ISBNs, and provided the ISBNs, OCLC#'s, and LCCNs. I also rewrote quite a few to use citation templates for consistent formatting. (Where I modified names, etc. it was for consistency with the spelling used in the book records. I didn't change any 'article content' (only the names in the references), but some of the authors were not in the 'romanization' that libraries use.
* I didn't mess with further reading, but it has the same issue.
* I moved the notes on the table columns into a "note" group.
* I moved all the 'textual' comments out of 'References' into a "footnote" group.
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* I'd /like/ to combine the places where different pages of the same book are repeatedly cited, but that would be hard to do atm. Is anyone going to complain if I convert the citations to list-defined references? It'll let you actually /read/ the table markup, and I'll be able to use  to condense the references more.
Revent (talk) 01:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References / footnotes 

message: I'm removing the names that are repeated in the list. The top 15 names are also mentioned in the list. Proudbolsahye (talk) 18:47, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing repeated names 

message: "Eventually, the total number of arrests and deportations amounted to 2,345" we are told. We are given a reference for this: Dadrian. It is on page 221 of my paperback volume. Astonishment should not be too strong a word when reading the source Dadrian actually cites for this figure. It is Esat Uras and his notorious "The Armenians in History and the Armenian Question", a propaganda work that seeks to deny that Armenia was ever a nation, and of course denies there was a genocide. And as for that "2345" figure in Uras's book, it is fairly well known that it was just a typo, and should be "235"! Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 03:55, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify the above. The "Eventually, the total number of arrests and deportations amounted to 2,345" claim in the article is entirely false, no such arrests and deportations took place. It originated as a typo error for 235, 235 being the number of persons deported on 24 April, and then as a very an amateurish acceptance that the number 2345 referred to a different event from the 235 one. Finally, by repeating this false claim often enough, and in enough sources, it becomes true and undisputable for Wikipedia.   Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:10, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: New depths of ludicrousness

message: Besides a very limited "The event has been described by historians as a decapitation strike which was intended to deprive the Armenian population of leadership and a chance for resistance", the article tells us nothing about why this took place. What was the motivation behind it? To "deprive the Armenian population of leadership" is not a goal, it is the means to a goal - what was the objective? Regards, Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 17:37, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The objective was genocide. Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:10, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Genocide is not an objective, it is a means to an end. To want a genocide, something must motivate it. Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 11:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

text: Agree that the section needs a bit more context to live up to FL quality. 23 editor (talk) 15:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your point is well-taken. However, we can't add everything about the AG here. There are numerous causes for it. That's why we have the Armenian Genocide article to help better explain that for us. It'll be like adding information as to why the Holocaust happened in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising article. That'll be redundant I'm afraid.  Étienne Dolet (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  and  Thanks for your time and looking into this. I get your point about redundancy. I will try and find time later to see if there is a way or incorporating a few words to smooth over the jolt. Something about retaliation for Armenian support for the Young Turks coup and movement ... that escalated to the point of full-blown genocide. That's just an intial thought, I need to read more, would not want to be rash. Keep well. Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 15:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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