Talk:Vangelis

message: I've moved the duplicate discography here for review. JFW | T@lk 13:32, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate discography 

message: The Greek pronunciation of Βαγγέλης is transcribed using [ɲ]. Surely this should be [ŋ]? This page shows that <γγ> is pronounced [ŋɟ]. — 91.238.123.116 (talk) 17:09, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transcription of pronunciation 

message: In the article lead is mentioned that Vangelis "having taken piano lessons from renowned Greek composer Aristotelis Koundouroff". Is there a reliable source(s) to confirm he taken lessons from Koundouroff? The information was removed from the lead until reliable source is found.--Crovata (talk) 12:58, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aristotelis Koundouroff 

message: This section needs work, I don't have time at the moment to do it but the English is written quite poorly.Dobyblue (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solo career breakthrough 

message: One of the articles cited is from an online encyclopedia, "Musician Guide". Although the source is decent, referring to the sources cited in the "further" reading would be more beneficial. As it is an online encyclopedia, I don't think that it is a good source to cite on Wikipedia. Today, I substituted a citation from that site to the actual Life article in regards to the statement, "When the teachers asked me to play something, I would pretend that I was reading it and play from memory. I didn't fool them, but I didn't care." I will plan to add more sources from the following sources listed on that site:
*Commonweal, November 20, 1992.
*Down Beat, February 1992.
*High Fidelity, August 1983.
*Library Journal, May 1, 1983.
*Life, July 1982.
*New Yorker, July 12, 1982; June 11, 1984.
*People, April 19, 1982.
*Playboy, January 1983.
*Rolling Stone, May 13, 1982.
*Stereo Review, March 1982; January 1983; December 1983; June 1985.
Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 16:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source Substitutions 

message: Are Greek media considered trustworthy?
Is there any other foreign (eg. French) source that reports his death? 
The French, German and Spanish wikipedias don't report his death, nor have updated their page. 
How certain are we that Vangelis has passed away? Mlliarm (talk) 16:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty certain.  News being reported everywhere in the last half hour or so. dstumme (talk) 17:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mea culpa.  Washington Post reported it with the name of his collaborator too, so for me this is as official as it gets. Thanks. Mlliarm (talk) 18:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. The WP?  Really?  heh 50.111.55.26 (talk) 21:47, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I didn't create the death record until I saw it in Reuters. Hyperkabob (talk) 18:11, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: Greetings, all. I understand there is a disaccord in Greek media about the full name of Vangelis. Some sources claim Vangelis had two first names in Greek, "Evángelos" and "Odysséas", which is also the way the article currently has it, while others quote "Odysséas" as only his father's name. We have two causes to worry about the accuracy of the former version, currently reproduced in Wikipedia: One, a father giving his own name to his son appears to be uncommon in modern Greece. Not non-existent, but quite uncommon. And, two, the way it is written in sources such as The Guardian obituary can be the result of some confusion about the way full names are often written in modern Greek. "Evángelos Odysséas Papathanassíou" could well be a transfer to English of "Evángelos Odysséa Papathanassíou". Note critical absence of final letter 's'. 
Βear with me, please!  While the word "Odysséas" is, in Greek, in the nominative (aka subjective) case, which is the way all names are expressed in English, the word "Odysséa" is in the genitive case and means "of Odysséas". In other words, "Vangelis" of "Odysséas", "Vangelis, son of Odysséas". So, we might have an issue here.
Additional, solid sources, preferably of official Greek origin, such as a copy of his birth certificate, would be very welcome. -The Gnome (talk) 11:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the response, Mlliarm. Do you have any examples in modern Greek where a person cites their full name and includes the father's name in the nominative case? In my experience, and contrary to what you state, I have never encountered that. It's only when a Greek person states their name in English, or some other language perhaps, that they may state like that their father's name - and erroneously too, since abroad this typically denotes an additional first name. Greek language is all about cases - for every name and every noun. So, it is rather difficult to accept without some solid counter evidence this supposedly constant use of the nominative case. -The Gnome (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're welcome The Gnome. Truth be told, it is customary in those Greeks that wish to use their father's name to just use the initial letter, so I'm not really sure. For example, Ευάγγελος Ο. Παπαθανασσίου. I see that the known linguist G. Babiniotis is written as Γιώργιος Μπαμπινιώτης του Δημητρίου in the Greek Wikipedia's lemma. So this supports your suggestion (use genitive case instead of nominative case). Also I've discussed this question with my better half that did classical studies in a Greek high school and agreed with you that if you want to use the father's name, you'll either have to write Ευάγγελος Παπαθανασσίου του Οδυσσέα (or του Οδυσσέως) or use the form you're suggesting: Ευάγγελος Οδυσσέα (or Οδυσσέως) Παπαθανασσίου. Mlliarm (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

text: I don't have the book Encyclopedia of Film Composers. (A specific page number is cited in the article but I cannot verify the content.) As to Greek sources, I can report, as a competent user of the language, that the major newspaper To Vima does not have  the "Odysséas" part in the first name of the artist in its 2008 portrait or in this 2012 report about asteroids named after celebrities; Capital magazine's website does have it but the text reads like a Wikipedia mirror, as do reports such this Reuters obituary; in the collection of interviews of his most extensive fan-site, the only mentions of "Odysseus"/"Odyssey" are in reference to the Mars mission; and so on. -The Gnome (talk) 15:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The Greek article :el:%CE%92%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B3%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%B7%CF%82_%CE%A0%CE%B1%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%B8%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%BF%CF%85 seems to be the same as here? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Martinevans123, yes, the article in the Greek-language Wikipedia has Vangelis' name as it is here, in the English-language one: Evángelos Odysséas Papathanassíou. The Greek edition cites two sources: The obituary in The Washington Post and the one from Reuters. Both seem a bit suspicious to me since they use an overall identical phrasing; they may be simply quoting from a single source. The French-language edition of Wikipedia, seeing as Vangelis spent most of his life in France, should have better sourcing. Interestingly, it transpires that they too have it as "Evángelos Odysséas Papathanassíou" but their only reference for that is the website of Universal Music, which makes a mess of the full name: "Evanghelos Odyssey Papathanassiou". So, personally, I remain quite uncertain. For the time being, then, yes, we have nothing better for the text in the article. Still, in the biography of such a well known, actually world famous, artist it's quite incongruous, if not unforgiveable, to lack solid information on the full name. -The Gnome (talk) 11:10, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your clear explanation. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full and accurate name of Vangelis  wanted 

message: In 2005, he stated that he was "never interested" in the "decadent lifestyle" of his band days, choosing not to use alcohol or other drugs. -- In the original music video for Chariots of Fire, he is seen smoking a cigarette, so smoking must have been a significant part of his life in 1981. Tobacco is a drug. Thoric (talk) 16:08, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life and death -- drug use