Talk:Bond (finance)

message: Could someone write some stuff regarding MTN's.
this is very big topic i cant tell now...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.58.175.8 (talk) 18:48, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: MTN

message: Is the fair value of a bond the Dirty or the Clean price?
Fair Market Value is an equity definition. Debt has a well-known fair value called Present Value. The uncertainty lies in the Future Value which will be affected by changes in interest rates. --JergenJones (talk) 14:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair Value

message: Can anyone explain what exactly is meant by the phrase "spreads on corporate bonds"? MartinC
Sure, Martin.  Here's an answer, then a more thorough explanation:
Brief answer-The spread is the yield on the corporate bond minus the yield on a similar treasury bond.  Bond traders don't want to memorize or figure out what an appropriate yield would be when they trade corporate bonds or different maturities and coupons.  It's much easier to just say how close the corporate bond is to a similar treasury bond.  The difference between the two is called the spread, and is a measure of the credit risk associated with the corporation that issued the bond.
Longer explanation with the details spelled out-The prices of bonds are determined by how much people are willing to pay for them.  The reason that not everyone just goes for the bond with the highest yield is that some bonds are more risky than others.  Generally this trade-off gives a direct a risk/return relationship, the more risk on the bond, the more it has to yield for people to buy it, so the cheaper it will be to buy it.  All bonds are sensitive to interest rates.  So if you have a treasury bond you are mainly exposed to interest rate and reinvestment risk.  Treasury bonds are generally considered the safest kind of bond, so there is no credit risk.  If you invest in a corporate bond that has the same type of characteristics (maturity, coupon) of a treasury bond, you can assume it has the same amount of interest rate and reinvestment risk, plus some amount (a 'spread') of credit risk. Tristanreid 16:04, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spreads? 

message: What is the proper accounting for this security?
Hey, in the future, try to sign your questions.  It's just a wikipedia etiquette thing, no big deal.  You can automatically generate a sig by putting 4 tildes in a row.  A tilde is the ~ symbol.  So to answer your question:  How do you mean account?  A PIK is a bond where the coupons are paid in either cash or in more bonds (In Kind).  If you're wondering how it looks on the financial statements, I'm pretty sure the balance sheet looks the same at first, and each in kind payment increments the marketable securities instead of cash.  I don't think there's a difference on the income statement, it probably just goes under interest income, because marketable securities are cash equivalent anyway.   Tristanreid 16:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Payment In Kind Bonds 

message: I think people could be meaning a lot of things by the word "bond", so Bond (disambiguation) should be moved here and this article moved to Bond (finance). -- King of Hearts talk 04:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If no one objects by Sunday, April 9, then I'll ask for the pages to be deleted and moved by an admin. -- King of Hearts talk 23:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move 

message: Disagree Debenture has a very specific meaning in the United Kingdom in relation to the issuing of debentures to finance arts and sports venues, and in terms of debenture holders (eg for Wimbledon, Wembley Stadium and the Royal Albert Hall) who get tickets and other privileges (the Google search for debenture ticket gets 85,000 results ). This meaning is simply not covered by Bond (finance), and I certainly wouldn't think of looking there for information about it. Humansdorpie 09:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Debenture]] with [[Bond (finance)]] 

message: According to the Debenture page, govenments can issue debentures. Can anyone tell me whats the difference between a government issued bond and a government issued debenture? 203.173.143.182 20:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but this goes to a further question that I was going to ask.  According to a law school short textbook defintion, a bond as a general matter is a "secured" debt interest, while a debenture is not. Generally, "secured" means that the lender has recourse to some principal, realty, object, or "res" that he or she can claim an interest in, if not foreclose as in the classic case of realty mortgages or auto loans.  How as a practical matter this works for a bondholder, beyond having a priority in the borrower's bankruptcy, is not clear to me.Tom Cod (talk) 06:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debenture vs Bonds 

message: "Zero coupon bonds do not pay any interest. They trade at a substantial discount from par. The bond holder receives the full principal amount as well as the accrued interest on the maturity date."  If they don't pay any interest - what accrued interest ?  -- Beardo 04:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zero coupon 

message: This information was pretty tangential to the general topic of bonds, and was also taken verbatim from the Treasury bonds page.  It also upset the flow of the paragraph into which it had been inserted.  For these reasons, I removed it.  Someone may be interested to note that the intro is still a little garbled - especially in its multiple definitions of the term "bill".
Joachim Heck 20:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed discussion of US Treasury series bond issue dates 

message: Gee, it would be nice to know what "tenor" means in this context. Is it perchance anything like tenure?
The reason I ask is that I got here on a redirect when I tried to look up tenor upon seeing another article (Duration) use it with no definition and no link. So I find that this article contains zero uses of the word apart from the redirect note I get at the top. 
OK, I'll Google it. But it would still be nice to find it here without plowing through every Domingo and Caruso on the WWW. Or, maybe I should just delete that disambiguation reference?
Dandrake (talk) 05:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tenor? 

message: It would be good to note that pricing a bond is not relevant if the holder plans to hold the bond until maturity. Sure the market price fluctuates but the value of the bond to the bondholder remains constant -- except for reinvestment rate risk.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.30.238 (talk) 03:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price relevant only if sale considered 

message: Any thoughts about adding some information regarding Church bonds? Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 01:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Church bonds? 

message: In the intro it says "the authorized issuer owes the holders a debt". Does this really mean that the issuer must at some future time give the holder a debt, such that at that time some third party would then owe the holder money? Or should this simply say "the authorized issuer owes the holders money"? In other contexts, redundancies like "cold temperature" aren't confusing, but in finance the above situation could easily occur, so the wording becomes critical. Thanks. 72.48.98.26 (talk) 05:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Owes the holders a debt, or simply owes money? 

message: We need a new section of this article called 'History' or 'History of Bonds'.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.55.220.166 (talk) 00:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section on History 

message: Complete newbie, failed to find any reference to the way 'bond' is used in the UK (and elsewhere?).
Man in street thinks of it as a term deposit with a bank or building society, not as a marketable security - although man with stockbroker knows it to mean something completely different.
Does this deserve pointing out somewhere, or have I just missed it?
86.150.248.58 (talk) 15:15, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK market 

message: What is the difference between bond and loan ?
Siyac 06:17, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bond and loan 

message: Second paragraph currently (30 Jan. 2013) states: "in the case of government bonds, to finance current expenditure".  
But I believe government-issued bonds can be issued to for debt accrued from previous expenditures: bonds can cover both the current deficit and existing debt (accrued from previous deficits). The page on U.S. Treasuries explicitly discusses Treasury bonds issued in this context.   
Proposed edit: "in the case of government bonds, to finance current expenditure and to cover previously accrued debts."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.131.141.62 (talk) 18:12, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading statement about government bonds? 

message: I have read a lot of stuff about these new retail bonds, in the Financial Times and CFO insight for instance. I just added a short definition on this page, but I guess it would be interesting and probably content-rich to write a new page on wikipedia about retail bonds. If somebody feels like doing it, please let me know.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AggieKMA (talk • contribs) 13:10, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retail Bonds 

message: On Mar 15th, th following was added: ″The bookrunner is listed first among all underwriters participating in the issuance in the tombstone ads commonly use to announce bonds to the public.″
The second half of the sentence seems a bit unclear, although it looks as if it's meant to express that ″ads are commonly used to announce ...″. Could this be re-phrased or corrected?
213.144.7.145 (talk) 13:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issuance 

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message: The last sentence ends with "...  there are three categories of bond maturities:" but the following list has 4 items. Any explanation of this?
If not then I propose to replace three with four.
Nick the engineer (talk) 09:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Nick the engineerGood point, but that sentence refers to the market for US Treasuries. Two authoritative sources make no mention of perpetual US Treasuries ("Handbook of Fixed Income Securities" and "Bond Markets, Analysis and Strategies," both by Frank Fabozzi.) So we need to 1) delete that last bullet point, or 2) delete the words "In the market for US Treasury securities." I favor #2, because at one time the UK government did issue perpetuals. Cordially, BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 12:34, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subsection 3.2 Maturity: Text inconsistent with following list 

message: Bond 2402:3A80:194A:B1EB:0:0:0:2 (talk) 14:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Physics 

message: When were bonds first utilized as a financial instrument? Michael Ten (talk) 07:35, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  history? 

message: I propose splitting the list of foreign currency bonds into its own article. It takes up quite a bit of space in the article which prevents us from describing bonds in a summary style and is somewhat out of scope due to its detail. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 15:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split proposal 

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thread_title:  Bonds money goes to Lyda Bonds 

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thread_title:  Bonds money to go to Lyda g Bonds