Talk:Preity Zinta/Archive 2

message: Here's a list with stuff I'm not happy with. Please comment on it before we engage into a revert-fight all over again. If we cannot reach consensus, I'll go for Third Oppinion and the help of admins and other users.
* Preity Zinta is really popular, has been working very much and there's lots to tell about here. I like her and I really want to make her article look good, and maybe someday, to get it featured. However:
* WP is not a gossip magazine and I will take the featured articles of other actors and actresses as rolemodels when it comes to the way the filmography should look like. There are policies and guidelines and I'm afraid this is not open for debate. That's not something I decided, but the consensus.
*Not all awards are necessary to be listed. I understand that Filmfare, Stardust and the likes are necessary, but everything else is just too much. If you have a look at Diane Keaton's awards: she has Oscars, Golden Globes and BAFTAs, so I think we should crop them and write them the way they are displayed on Keaton's page. (The same thing applies to Mukherjee's article. The awards are way over the top.)
* Her early life needs to be referenced (with non-gossip-sites).
* The IMDb-profile of Zinta is written by a reader of IMDb, not by a represantative of Zinta or a journalist. Therefore it cannot be used as a reliable source. If you wish to comment on Zinta's movie Dil Hai Tumhaara, please find a reliable, independent source, preferably from a newspaper, BBC, or Rediff.
* The 2003-part is out-of-date ("most expensive movie ever made"), POV ("special and influential" -> "successful" is much more neutral), the comment on Yashraj Films belongs into Yashraj's article, and needs to be sourced, and "All these achievements promoted her as one of the biggest stars in the industry." is *very* POV. It's up to the reader to decide. She is popular, she is successful, but she is not *big*. (What does she weigh? 52 kg?) "KANK" is an ensemble film and technically not her film alone - the phrasing is misleading.
* "In 2000 Zinta was already popular." <- Already established.
* I think the entire "Popularity" paragraph can be deleted. The information on Marie Claire is somehow interesting, depending how important the magazine is in India - but on the other hand, she was also on the covers of most tabloids in Germany, so really not notable. 
* "Zinta has worked with the biggest stars in the Indian industry, including four times with Shahrukh Khan, Salman Khan, Saif Ali Khan, Amitabh Bachchan and Rani Mukerji." People can count. Why is that information interesting? The articles of the movies should include that.
* "She was also offered a role in the expensive foreign film Marigold, but turned it down." She turned down several roles. Belongs into the Marigold-article.
* "Her portraits became covers of mirrors of Kabul's beauty salons and music and video shops and restaurants, along with other Bollywood stars such as Sharukh Khan and Madhuri Dixit." We are an encyclopadia -> if you open the Britannica, you will hardly find something like this.
* "They appear to be very much in love, and there is a lot of speculation whether the two will marry soon." Both are just speculation. She is seeing him. Enough information.
* "Her good friends in the industry include Yash Chopra,[58] Rekha,[59] Aishwarya Rai,[60] Karan Johar, Abhishek Bachchan, Shahrukh Khan and Gauri Khan. Her very close friends are Hrithik Roshan and his wife Suzanne Khan Roshan.[61] Her best friend out of the film industry, is Shagun Sharma, who has been her best friends since early childhood." That's tabloid stuff. And who is Shagun Sharma?
* (Just FYI: the same stuff applies to Rani Mukherjee's article to, IMHO.)
Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 19:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic post, Plumcouch! Covered pretty much all the problems with the article. Now we need the same sort of diagnosis on Rani Mukherjee and both these articles will be cured of the disease of mediocrity. xC | ☎  20:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Though I have not edited for a while I can see where the problem is with Zinta's, Mukherjee's and now Kareena Kapoor's article. Personally I agree with User:Plumcouch on all her points. All of a sudden awards have a bigger relevance in someone's life and that much emphasis on them is not necessary. So, yes I agree with the points highlighted. Zinta's, Mukherjee's and Kapoor's article needs a major clean-up. -- Pa7 00:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let the debate begin 

message: ::Zinta has the most success among all the Bollywood actresses, having the highest success ratio of 65%.[http://www.boxofficeindia.com/actresses.htm BOI Zinta's trademark has been her dimple.
::Zinta was ranked second on the Filmfare "Top Actresses" list in 2003-2004, and secured third position later on (2005-2006).[ref here]
::In 2003, Zinta placed first on the Rediff's Top Bollywood Female Stars., and in the following years placed second three times consecutively (2004-2006).
::Zinta was also on the Rediff list of 'Bollywood's Most Beautiful Actresses'</ref, and listed #41 by UK magazine Eastern Eye one of "Asia's Sexiest Women" (Sept/ 2006).
::On January 9, 2007, Zinta was mentioned on segment "We The Mediator" of popular T.V show The Colbert Report. Host Stephen Colbert said,"If Preity Zinta is there, you better fucking show up!"OneTwo Zinta was also on the cover of the first issue of Marie Claire magazine to be sold in India.
So, It will be copied directly from here when the page unprotected, so there will no be more problems. Best Regards. --Shshshsh 12:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The last Popularity section.