Talk:Sardinian language

message: moved here from article
This article most definitely needs some cleaning-up. I would do it myself, but I am wanting for skills in that area. (whoever wrote this article probably didn't notice how it says use sparingly in the alt-text for the horizonal line button. Some of the language is a bit up-messed as well.--Node ue 19:34, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup needed 

message: I don't understand: did the employer at the Alghero airport speak in Catalan or in Sardinian? I know Sardinian is the language of Sardinia and Catalan the language of Alghero (together with Sardinian and Italian). Which one was used?  - Marco Neves
:"Sardinian Catalan" implies Catalan of the variety spoken on Sardinia (at Alghero), where "Sardinian" is a proper spatial adjective modifying the noun "Catalan". So yes, it refers presumably to Alguerese (as may also be inferred by the article to which it links)--Node ue 19:27, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which language? 

message: As for origins, Sardinian comes from unknown roots possibly directly leading to sanscrite, then influenced by phenician, etruscan and widely filtered by latin. 
It is indeed a romance language. 
:Sardinian does not come from unknown roots. It does not lead directly to the Sanskrit language. It is a Romance language with minor influences from Phoenician, Etruscan, Catalan, Spanish, and most recently Italian and English. There is, however, arguably a linguistic substratum remaining from the language of the original population.--Node ue 19:27, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: Some people, in recent times, is suggesting that corsican language would be spoken in some towns of Sardinia. Since this is neither what I can find in my sources, nor what my Sardinian friends were able to confirm me from site, I'd be glad to eventually read some sources, or to see that these statements are not any more happily added to articles on sardinian villages. Thank you. Gianfranco
:Supposedly, some of the dialects of the very northernmost areas of Sardinian are indeed Corsican or very closely resembling Corsican, see Limba Sarda - Carta de sas Limbas de s'Isolas Sardinnas. I'm just giving an explanation, though; I'm not responsible for edits of that nature.--Node ue 19:27, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corsican 

message: What are "proparossitones"? A Google search for this word turned up only this page. -phma
:Presumably that is an Italian or Sardinian word. I'm tempted to say "prepositions" but that is most likely an incorrect translation.--Node ue 19:27, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you propose a translation when you think it's wrong? There is something called a dictionary. --2.245.133.120 (talk) 14:37, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

text: Proparossitones is the Italian spelling of "proparoxytones", which are words stressed on the antepenultimate syllable (e.g., English "inCARcerate").  "Paroxytones" are stressed on the next-to-last syllable and oxytones on the last. MTCicero 17:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Proparossitones"? 

message: Is the Sardinian language different from Sardo Laguterese? If it is, perhaps this could be discussed in the article. I am wondering because there is an article for Sardo Laguterese, and there is an article for Sardinian, and neither article makes a reference to the other.
:I can't find the article to which you are referring. Perhaps it is referring to Loguodorese (a dialect of Sardinian)?--Node ue 19:27, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sardo Laguterese 

message: It's strange to read in this article that is few to share between these two islands: they have been occupied by the same town (Pisa), a town where the language spoken is italian (tuscanian), and they have been occupied together also by Aragon (catalan speakers). Is it not enough to understand why the northern region of Sardinia speaks a language that I understand without any difficulty? And that is very close to the dialects spoken in Sartene and Porto Vecchio. Sassari and Tempio are not on the opposite of the world. --Enzino 19:22, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not right. Linguistically, gallurese and sassarese are corsican dialects, and not sardinian ones, even with a relevant sardinian influence. There was a hard connection between corsican and sardinian cultures in prehistoric age, but after middle age (up to 18th century) was predominant the migration from Corsica to Northern Sardinia, creating the galllurese-sassarese corsican dialects. --Dch 13:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing to share between Corsica and Sardinia? 

message: It's nice to know about the phonology of the language, but what about the orthography?  There is virtually no information about it.  Which phonemes respond to which spellings?  (For instance, how are /tz/ and /z/ different?)  Also, perhaps the pronunciations should be promoted to International Phonetic Alphabet symbols. - Gilgamesh 02:35, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Orthography

message: From Object Subject Verb:
Sardinians very often use OSV while speaking in Italian.
From Yoda:
For Italian fans of the Star Wars series, especially children, Yoda is often referred as "The Sardinian One" or "The One Who Speaks Sardinian". This is due to the fact that once translated into Italian, Yoda's manner of speaking is very close to the Sardinian accent that in Italy is considered humorous, even slightly ridiculous.
If true, this should added.
This is false and offensive. It is a form of raccism. 
Stephan 1:12, 30 Dec 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  OSV 

message: Who told u about this "fun" etymology of the word "barbaro"? where did u read it??? It is so false! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.163.215.74 (talk) 07:14, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Barbaro is a word from ancient greek. Ό βάρβαρος-ου. It means stuttering because the people that weren't greek couldn't speak greek language well.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.49.29.177 (talk) 17:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My greek teacher always told us that the word βάρβαρος came from the fact that the language of these invaders sounded to Greek ears like "bar bar bar bar". Thus it is an onomatopoetic exonym of a non-flattering nature. Peace, Dusty|💬|You can help! 20:09, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  etymology... 

message: Someone made the following remark in the main page. I'm moving it here. FilipeS 14:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eduardo Blasco Ferrer 

message: I'm no expert, but it seems to me the Sardinian transformation of Latin "ll" into a retroflex "dd" (For example: bellus > [ˈbeɖ.ɖu]) and the retention of "u" is not unique to Sardinian. It seems the same is true of Sicilian and Calabrian, no? Dionix (talk) 17:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ll > dd

message: Why the rather odd reference to Basque in the Cagliari d/r alternation? That's an incredibly common alternation in languages in general. Akerbeltz (talk) 14:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Basque

message: Hello. It seems Nugoresu is a language (dialect ?) near to Sardinian. Do you know what it is exactly? This name does not appear in this article. Pamputt (talk) 14:48, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the map, it's part of the northern dialect group (Nugoro/Nuoro). I agree it would be helpful to explain the traditional dialect names. Akerbeltz (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nugoresu 

message: Funny how the section "History and origins" doesn't even contain a single mention of Phoenician-Punic or the Carthaginians, although this is the only pre-Roman stratum that is historically absolutely certain to have been present on Sardinia before and at the time of the Roman conquest – and there are even a few lexical examples where Phoenician origin is suggested in the preceding section! (More importantly even, it is assumed that Punic was spoken on Sardinia for many centuries longer.) Instead, we get all kinds of speculation about Iberians, Basques, Etruscans and even Illyrians (!), none of whose languages have been shown conclusively to have influenced Sardinian (all the justification rests on dubious – though admittedly, occasionally suggestive, as in some Basque echoes – etymologies), while in the case of Phoenician-Punic, there's a language we know reasonably well (better than all the others for the time, anyway, especially if we take into account our knowledge of Canaanite as a whole), and where the assumption of influence is absolutely justified from what we know about the languages of ancient Sardinia, only to be omitted from the picture utterly and completely. I find it hard to believe that this aspect has never been seriously touched upon in the literature on the problem of the pre-Roman Sardinian substrates. So, where are the Phoenicians? This gap in the section is boggling my mind. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Imho, you should ask to yourself who Phoenicians are and who they find in Sardinia when they arrived on the island. Somebody says that Phoenicians and Nuragic people they were part of the Sea people. The Nuragic civilization was the most advanced of any civilization in the western Mediterranean during the Sea Peoples epoch, including those in the regions of Magna Graecia. Can be that Phoenicians they were speaking a sardinian language. Why not? :-)--93.45.60.12 (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand what you're trying to say at all. When the Phoenicians arrived on Sardinia and established colonies there, of course they would have brought their native Phoenician along with them, which we know is a Semitic language. On the other hand, Sardinian is clearly not a Semitic language. Therefore, a Phoenician-Semitic substratum is to be expected, especially if Phoenician – in its Late Punic form – survived until even after the Roman conquest. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Phoenician influence? 

message: Logudurese and Campidanese got moved from dialects to Campidanese language and Logudorese language. Did a debate on that take place elsewhere cause it's the first time I've heard of these varieties being elevated to language status by linguists or indeed Sardinians. Anyone know? Akerbeltz (talk) 17:48, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved them because they were at non-English names (Logudorese got moved there today, that's why I saw it). The "language" part mainly came from a consistency with the two other varieties (sometimes considered) Sardinian, Gallurese and Sassarese, together with that I thought(well, think) these to be unintelligible (which I got via reading WP and a few links, and which is supported by their fairly low lexical similarity between them, according to Ethnologue; but which isn't as obvious from reading the article(s) as I thought, it seems). --JorisvS (talk) 18:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't heard of Gallurese and Sassarese being labelled languages either to be honest. Do we have any refs that support the "language" label for any of them? Akerbeltz (talk) 17:32, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Campidanese is quite distinct from the other Sardinian languages", Sassarese is in a WP incubator,  speaks of "three Sardinian languages" and later has Sardinian N, C, and L (apparently also treating Nuorese independently), and Googling "X language" gives quite a few hits, though not very staggering amounts. While  treats Sardinian as a unit (language), it does say "... that now Campidanese people can hardly understand Nuorese speakers from the region of Barbagia.".  says "In almost no case the unity of Sardinian has been denied. The problem lies on the profound differences between the two main dialects of the Sardinian language. I would dare to say that the mutual understanding between northern and southern Sardinian speakers is worse than between speakers of Galician and Portuguese.". The thing that was easiest to find was the fact that there are profound differences between Sardinian varieties. So while most prefer to view Sardinian as a unit, there is some ground. --JorisvS (talk) 19:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That Ethnologue link is ambiguous, given the existence of Catalan and Ligurian on the island I'd say and that fact it's on incubator does not necessarily make it a language (versus a dialect). I'm not a dialect basher, on the contrary, but given the paucity of evidence and the fact that according virtually all documents (academic and popular) I've read Sardinians view (perhaps with the exlusion of Gallurese) Sardinian as one language with diverging dialects makes me think this move is premature. Sardinian (excluding Gallurese) is no more divergent than Basque dialects were before the introduction of Standard Basque and mass media across all regions. Akerbeltz (talk) 10:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that we apparently also have Tuscan language. --JorisvS (talk) 10:11, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but it would not appear that there seem to be any question about Tuscan and, say, Romagnolo being debated as subdialects of Tuscan. Whichever source I look at, it has Sardinian as one language. So for I really think there is no case for Nuorese and Campidanese being labelled as languages. And given there seems to be no other page by that name, it would be a safer bet to have Gallurese and Sassarese just like that, without a language or dialect label. Akerbeltz (talk) 12:34, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Sardinian Wiki is, to say the least, neglected: not exactly a good source, it's better to look at the italian one. Even the sassarese language is absolutely not part of Sardinian language and it is very difficult (impossible?) consider it part of the Corsican language, because of some "small" differences and 7-8 centuries (!) of independent evolution. Therefore, it is a separate language. For the Logudorese/Nuorese/Campidanese is an hard choice because there are many sources for all the theses (dialects, variants, independent languages) and very heavy political interferences... good luck! --Felisopus (talk) 14:03, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did I miss something? 

message: Hi, I was wondering myself why do you use a broad transcription for -lenition in Sardinian... Is there really a difference between Sardinian and Iberian lenitions? Jɑυмe (xarrades) 00:13, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Narrow vs Broad transcription

message: this sentence is out of place in this article being Algherese a catalan dialect and not a Sardinian dialect:
"The debate as to its legality had become heated by the 1980s: at Alghero's Fertilia international airport, in a Sardinian Catalan-speaking area, a politically engaged employee of Alitalia was heard over the loudspeakers, provocatively announcing the flights in Italian, English and Algherese. The employee was fired and penally condemned, causing widespread Sardinian nationalist sentiment, sometimes including violent political disputes which finally led to the law officialising the language."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.229.37 (talk) 00:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Algherese (Catalan) is not sardinian

message: technical question with this article - are nav popups deactivated here? curious why? Dog-Patch Zero-Six (talk) 14:08, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  nav popups not working? 

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message: I did a massive reFill on this page. Could anyone here check if all the filled links were done right? I would like to think so, but since it's semi-manual tool I would like to assume there might possibly be some reference issues on the page that still exist. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 02:34, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Massive reFill 

message: When I am on another page, like for example Paleo-Sardinian language or List of ISO 639-1 codes and I see this article wikilinked, it shows (when I hover my mouse over it) the window, but it says "| belowclass = noprint selfref | belowstyle = background-color:#E7E7FF;padding:0.3em 0.5em;text-align:left;line-height:1.3; | below = This article contains IPA phonetic symbols. Without proper rendering support, you may see question marks, boxes, or other symbols instead of Unicode characters. For an" I am not sure where this problem is coming from, and how to fix it. Therefore, if anyone knows how, please do, thanks! 
- RandomEditorAAA (talk) 01:04, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem when viewing the page 

message: That opening bit is way, way too long. After reading it, I don't feel I really need to read anything else in the page. Save some mystery for the peeps. Spiel (talk) 05:43, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree; the opening section gathers little information compared to the rest of the article, so that's fine. JackkBrown (talk) 10:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening section too big 

message: This page is really very well done and complete. I propose the addition of the template "Good article". JackkBrown (talk) 10:51, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template "Good article"