Talk:Gilgit

message: The Kashi that is being discussed in the Article, is it same as Varanasi? Currently that is where the redirect sends too. If this is not so, please mention the Kashi in the article into Kashi (disambiguation) and change the link.--Anupamsr 01:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a reference to Kashgar and has been changed. --Bejnar (talk) 20:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kashi

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message: Supersian the new section added by you seems to have a problem with the citation .page 
Text provided by you states  :_
” The rulers of Hunza and Nager also claim origin with the Trakhàn dynasty. They claim descent from an exiled Kayani Prince of Persia by the name of Azur Jamshid, who secretly married the Buddhist king Shri Badat's daughter. Although prince Azur Jamshid succeeded the king after overthrowing him, he abdicated after 16 years of rule in favour of his wife Nur Bakht Khatùn until their son Garg, grew of age and assumed the title of Raja and ruled, for 55 years. The dynasty flourished under the name of the Kayani dynasty until 1421 when Raja Torra Khan assumed rulership. He ruled as a memorable king until 1475. He distinguished his family line from his step brother Shah Rais Khan (who fled to the king of Badakshan and with who's help he gained Chitral from Raja Torra Khan), as the now known dynastic name of Trakhàn. The descendants of Shah Rais Khan being respectfully known as the Ra'issiya Dynasty. Ref History of Civilizations of Central Asia By Ahmad Hasan Dani, Vadim Mikhaĭlovich, Motilal Banarsidass Publ 1999, p216-217"
Now the reference and citation  pages you have provided viz   216 and 217  to support this from History of Civilizations of Central Asia By Ahmad Hasan Dani, Vadim Mikhaĭlovich, Motilal Banarsidass Publ 1999, p216-217 .
But page 216 and 217 discuss the Bronze age in Iran and Afghanistan with no mention  whatsoever of the entire paragraph you have provided on the article page .  You may have inadvertently provided the incorrect page and may like to correct this  . 
Here s the link for the online edition I looked this up from .
 History of Civilizations of Central AsiaBy Ahmad Hasan Dani, Vadim Mikhaĭlovich Masson, János
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 19:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed :Supersian your reference and Citation seems to  need correction 

message: Does the History section under Gilgit city, belong under Gilgit District instead? --Bejnar (talk) 22:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Sri Badad was a Buddhist ruler as per Karl Jettmar and Ahmad Hassan Dani "History of Northern Areas of Pakistan" https://books.google.com.pk/books/about/History_of_Northern_Areas_of_Pakistan.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.107.136.73 (talk) 14:14, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre-Trakhàn

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message: I'd like to propose to incorporate following too specific section, removed from Gilgit History, to e.g. Kashmir Conflict and on Major Brown's participation into e.g. (yet non-existant] Gilgit Scouts article, or simply left out. 
On 4 November 1947, Brown raised the new Pakistani flag in the Scouts’ lines, and by the third week of November a Political Agent from Pakistan had established himself at Gilgit. Brown had engineered Gilgit and its adjoining states to first secede from J&K, and, after some talk of being independent, had promptly acceded to Pakistan. His commander in Peshawar, a Col. Bacon, as well as Col. Iskander Mirza, Defence Secretary in the new Pakistan and later to lead the first military coup détat and become President of Pakistan, were pleased enough. In July 1948, Brown was awarded an MBE (Military) and the British Governor of the NWFP got him a civilian job with ICI~ which however sent him to Calcutta, where he came to be attacked and left for dead on the streets by Sikhs avenging the Bunji massacre. Brown survived, returned to England, started a riding school, and died in 1984. In March 1994, Pakistan awarded his widow the Sitara-I-Pakistan in recognition of his coup détat.
Gilgit’s ordinary people had not participated in Brown’s coup which carried their fortunes into the new Pakistan, and to this day appear to remain without legislative representation. It was merely assumed that since they were mostly Muslim in number they would wish to be part of Pakistan ~ which also became Liaquat Ali Khan’s assumption about J&K State as a whole in his 1950 statements in North America. What the Gilgit case demonstrates is that J&K State’s descent into a legal condition of ownerless anarchy open to “Military Decision” had begun even before the Pakistani invasion of 22 October 1947 (viz. “Solving Kashmir”, The Statesman, 1-3 December 2005). Also, whatever else the British said or did with respect to J & K, they were closely allied to the new Pakistan on the matter of Gilgit.”
Thanks,
Rayshade (talk) 12:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gilgit History reorganization

message: Aye, just wanted to ask opinions—which has probably been discussed elsewhere at length—on different climate data presentations. The Template:Infobox weather seems to be easier to typeset into page, but I do prefer the more visual Template:Climate chart. What's the latest consensus on these? Cheers, Rayshade (talk) 22:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate data 

message: Every other (different) online source cited seems to have the same "|url=http://www.the-south-asian.com/aug2004/Gilgit_manuscript.htm" in the citation. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 02:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online source problem 

message: Several presumably Indian editors repeatedly place Hindi script on the page. Gilgit is part of Pakistani-Administered Kashmir, which does not recognize Hindi as an official language. The same is even true in Indian-Administered Kashmir: The only recognized languages are Urdu and Kashmiri. Hindi is not an official language in either Kashmir - its use is merely political and should not be allowed. Further, even within India, Hindi script is not used in the names of towns like Chennai (where Tamil is only used as it is the language of Tamil Nadu), or Calcutta (where only Bengali is used).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.183.0.122 (talk) 02:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willard84 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gilgit Language Scripts 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: , Regarding this change to numbers, can you specify which source you are talking about, and provide a quote? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:40, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: Various scholars have written on the Instrument of Accession (Jammu and Kashmir), The Treaty of Lahore (9 March 1846) and the Treaty of Amritsar (16 March 1846). But very little of that text is on wikipedia.
Maharaja gulab Singh originally worked for the Sikh Empire. But then betrayed the Sikh empire by siding with the East India Company in the Anglo-Sikh War. His name is mentioned in the treaty of Lahore too. He collected Taxes for the East India Company and the money was then given by him to the East India Company.
The Treaty of Lahore (9 March 1846) and the Treaty of Amritsar (16 March 1846) lapsed under Article 7 of the Independence Act 1947. The Act was passed by the British Parliament on July 18, 1947 to assent to the creation of the independent states of India and Pakistan. The aforementioned Article 7 provides that, with the lapse of His Majesty’s suzerainty over the Indian states, all treaties, agreements, obligations, grants, usages and sufferance’s will lapse. 
The 7 year old Maharaja Duleep Singh Bahadur (Sikh) was under the control of the East India company when he sign The Treaty of Lahore on 9 March 1846 which gave Jammu and Kashmir and its people to the East India Company. 
Under the British legal system and international law a treaty signed by the 7 year old Maharaja Duleep Singh Bahadur and under duress is not valid. (The International Court of Justice has stated that there "can be little doubt, as is implied in the Charter of the United Nations and recognized in Article 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that under contemporary international law an agreement concluded under the threat or use of force is void.) 
We may need to add a section on the impact on the removal of Article 370 of the Indian constitution on The Instrument of Accession too. 
None of this text is on there.
Various scholars have written on these treaties, for example Alistair Lamb disputed the validity of the Instrument of Accession in his paper Myth of Indian Claim to JAMMU & KASHMIR –– A REAPPRAISAL'
Where he writes "While  the  date,  and  perhaps  even  the  fact,  of  the accession to India of the State of Jammu  &  Kashmir in  late  October  1947  can  be  questioned,  there  is  no  dispute  at  that time   any   such   accession   was   presented   to   the   world at large   as   conditional   and provisional. It  was  not  communicated  to  Pakistan  at  the outset  of  the  overt  Indian  intervention  in  the  State  of Jammu  &  Kashmir,  nor  was  it presented  in  facsimile  to  the  United  Nations  in  early  1948  as  part  of  the  initial  Indian reference  to  the  Security  Council.  The  1948  White  Paper  in  which  the  Government  of India set out its formal case in respect to the State of Jammu & Kashmir, does not contain the  Instrument  of  Accession  as  claimed  to  have  been  signed  by  the  Maharajah: instead, it reproduces  an  unsigned  form  of  Accession  such  as,  it  is  implied,  the  Maharajah  might have  signed.   To   date   no   satisfactory   original   of   this   Instrument   as   signed   by  the Maharajah has  been  produced: though  a  highly  suspect  version,  complete  with  the false date  26 October 1947,  has  been  circulated  by  the  Indian  side  since  the  1960s. On the present  evidence  it  is  by  no means clear  that  the  Maharaja  ever  did  sign an Instrument of Accession.  
Indian troops actually began overtly to intervene in the State’s affairs on the morning of 27 October 1947
It  is  now  absolutely  clear  that  the  two  documents  (a) the Instrument of Accession, and  (c)  the  letter  to  Lord  Mountbatten,  could  not  possibly  have  been  signed  by the Maharajah  of Jammu  &  Kashmir on 26 October 1947. The earliest possible time and date for their signature would have to be the afternoon of 27 October 1947. During 26 October 1947  the  Maharajah  of Jammu  &  Kashmir was  travelling  by  road  from  Srinagar  to Jammu. (The Kashmir State Army divisions and the Kashmiri people had already turned on him and he was on the run and had no authority in the state). His  new Prime  Minister,  M.C.  Mahajan,  who  was  negotiating  with  the Government of India,  and  the  senior  Indian  official  concerned  in  State  matters,  V.P.  Menon, were still in New  Delhi  where  they  remained  overnight,  and  where  their  presence  was  noted  by many observers.  There  was  no  communication  of  any  sort  between  New Delhi and the travelling Maharajah.  Menon  and  Mahajan  set  out  by  air  from  New  Delhi  to  Jammu  at about  10.00 a.m.  on  27  October; and  the  Maharajah  learned  from  them  for  the  first time the result of his Prime Minister’s negotiations in New Delhi in the early afternoon of that day. The  key  point,  of  course,  as has already been noted above, is that it is now obvious that  these  documents  could  only  have  been  signed  after  the  overt  Indian  intervention  in the  State  of Jammu  &  Kashmir on 27 October 1947.  When  the  Indian  troops  arrived  at  Srinagar  air  field,  that State   was   still   independent.   Any   agreements   favourable   to   India   signed   after   such intervention  cannot  escape  the  charge  of  having  been  produced  under  duress. (The International Court of Justice has stated that there "can be little doubt, as is implied in the Charter of the United Nations and recognized in Article 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that under contemporary international law an agreement concluded under the threat or use of force is void.)"
Additionally Maharaja was on the run. The prevailing international practice on the recognition of state governments is based on the following three factors: first, the government’s actual control of the territory; second, the government’s enjoyment of the support and obedience of the majority of the population; third, the government’s ability to stake the claim that it has a reasonable expectation of staying in power. The situation on the ground demonstrates that the Maharaja was not in control of the state of Jammu and Kashmir and was fleeing for his life and almost all of Kashmir was under the control of the Kashmiri people and the Kashmiri Army that had rebelled against him. His own troops had turned on him. With regard to the Maharaja’s control over the local population, it is clear that he enjoyed no such control or support. The people of Kashmir had been sold by the East India Company and he charged them high taxes thetefore the Kashmir Muslims, Hindus Pandits and Buddhists hated him. Furthermore, the state’s armed forces were in total disarray after most of the men turned against him and he was running for his life. Finally, it is highly doubtful that the Maharaja could claim that his government had a reasonable chance of staying in power without Indian military intervention. This assumption is substantiated by the Maharaja’s letters.
Many of these treaties apply to Jammu and Kashmir. The Kashmir conflict is already on Wikipedia. It is internationally recognized as a disputed territory under various United United Nations resolutions that are already listed on Wikipedia Nations Security Council Resolution 47, Nations Security Council Resolution 39,mediation of the Kashmir dispute, Nations Commission for India and Pakistan. There is a lot of documentation on Jammu and Kashmir in the UN archives already. If you look at the page Kashmir conflict, it already contains sections on the "Indian view", "Pakistani view", "Chinese view", "Kashmiri views". May be we could do something like that with these treaty pages. The Treaty of Lahore was signed in 9 March 1846 and the Treaty of Amritsar 16 March 1846. They predate the creation of both modern day India and Pakistan. The Treaty of Lahore was signed between the Sikh Empire and the British government. It is an international treaty and comes under international law. Johnleeds1 (talk) 11:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently the pages on Jammu and Kashmir are very fragmented. Its difficult to navigate through the pages. May be have a page on the treaties that apply to Jammu and Kashmir and link these to actual history events. The reader could then click on a link, obtain a more indepth knowledge of the treaty, its relationship with other treaties and the events surrounding it. Therefore providing them with a more educational understanding of these treaties. There is a lot of literature on these treaties, that we could use for references. There are also multiple parties to these treaties and we could link to them too. Many books and scholarly papers have been published illustrating the details surrounding these treaties. May be also create subsections on these pages illustrating the views of the Government of India, The view of the Government of Pakistan and the view of the Kashmiri Parties, The Government of China, The United Nations, The Sikh Empire and the British Government on these treaties. On Wikipedia we have the text on the various treaties but it does not show how these treaties relate to one another. We need show how they relate to one another and the events on the ground. We need to enhance the experience of the reader. Johnleeds1 (talk) 14:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Treaties on Kashmir 

message: Gigit should show under indian territory because it is part of india not part of Pakistan. AnkyTheIndian (talk) 23:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: . I am sure Pakistan would disagree. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Honestly dude do you want to lose 220.9 million Wikipedia Viewers? SteelerFan1933 (talk) 23:22, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2021 

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message: If Sevastopol can be shown to be claimed by Ukraine, why can we not show Gilgit is claimed by India? Sng Pal (talk) 05:27, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Just wanted to say that Sevastopol was actually part of Ukraine before Russian Occupation and is still de jure part of it(de facto russian for 9 years). I don't know if Gilgit is de jure Indian and was occupied by Pakistan in recent years.PAper GOL (talk) 17:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claimed by India