Talk:Watford F.C.

message: deported mid season 07/08 Quee1797 (talk) 18:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No he wasn't. He got pretty close to deportation, and lost an appeal against deportation mid-season. However, with the help of the club staff, the local MP and the fans, he managed to get special dispensation to apply for, and received, a work permit while still in the UK. PaddyUniv (talk) 03:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alhassan Bangura

message: Reading through the article the only comment I have to make is that 'generally good-natured' is definitely NOT a term I would use to describe our rivalry with Luton Town - 2002 was mild in comparison with some of the problems I have known Watford fans to have experienced in the past, including rock-throwing by some Luton fans at a League tie in the 80s and vandalism to vehicles parked in Luton bearing any signs of a Watford-supporting owner. From participation in message boards in recent years I would suggest that rather than 'good-natured' the rivalry continues to be bitter and fairly vicious at times, particularly from the Luton fans.
:Well maybe it's a bit subjective - never felt myself that it was vicious or bitter.  Perhaps we can think of a more neutral wording here. Worldtraveller
It is with great neutrality that I declare that Luton suck :) Wikinista 06:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luton Town  

message: Whilst Kenny Samson is a former Watford player and is a famous player, I feel that that section should only include Watford players who are team "heroes," so to speak. After all, players like Kenny Jackett are hardly "famous," but are included. The "famous" definition applies to within the Watford fanbase, and thus Samsom shouldn't be there.
I've removed Moralee, as he isn't famous in either sense of the definition.
(This was written by me before I was familiar with Wikipedia I've re-arranged it to the point chronologically where it should be, and to tidy up the talk page.)
HornetMike 18:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Luther has his own section in the current article, and six other references to him "Luther Blissett, 1976–1983, 1984–1988, 1991–1992 Making his debut in 1976, Blissett played for Watford throughout their ascent from Division Four to Division One. He was the first Watford player to be capped for England. He had three spells at Watford in total, and holds the club records for highest all-time goalscorer and most appearances. Blissett had a spell as coach at Watford from 1996–2001"
Cheers •CHILLDOUBT• 18:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sansom/Moralee

message: Whilst our one was sparse, a lot of club pages do have it. It doesn't exactly do any harm, does it?
:I removed it because it's not verifiable information, and really not relevant to the club or of interest to the general reader, so inappropriate for an encyclopaedia.  If other club pages have it, they shouldn't have. Worldtraveller 19:04, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrity Fans 

message: Why on earth has someone edited out the records section? And all the catergories stuff and half the managers? I don't know how to get this back, I hope someone else does because I really don't want to have to write it all out again.
Re: other changes. I know the new squad list is now in the official football squad fromat, but it actually now displays less information! What's the point in changing it? 
Regarding the Heroes/Famous players section. I agree that if you call them "heroes" you're going POV. But I do feel the way we've got it now ignores huge amounts of notable Watford players just because they're not particularly famous. Maybe if the "heroes" list was restored under a header of "notable Watford players" Bit ambigous though, thoughts?
:No idea why the records section was removed, but don't worry - every previous revision of an article is stored and anything can be retrieved.  To revert back to a previous version of an article, you just need to click on the 'history' tab, click on the version you want to restore, then edit it and save it.
:As for the heroes/famous players/notables, I think maybe a list is not that useful anyway - what would be much more informative would be a list that includes a note explaining why each player was significant.  I think 'Notable former players' or something similar would be a good title for the section. Worldtraveller 00:16, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Records etc.

message: Whilst I understand that the squad has now been in an official Wiki template, I do feel the old chart (with a little bit of re-organisation) would be far better. Admittedly it's slightly larger, but it contains more information (birthdays - although I'm not researching them unless the consensus on here is good, date of arrival, previous club etc. The positions are slightly less generic as well.) Personally I think it looks better as well.
I thought this would be good:
No.		Player            	Position	D.O.B    	Year Signed	Previous Club
1  		Alec Chamberlain  	GK      	20.6.1964	1996       	Sunderland
2  		James Chambers    	RB/LB   	         	2004       	West Bromwich Albion
3  		Jordan Stewart    	LB      	         	2005       	Leicester City
4  		Malky Mackay      	CB      	         	2005       	West Ham United
5  		Clarke Carlisle   	CB      	         	2005       	Leeds United
6  		Jay Demerit       	CB      	         	2004       	Northwood Town
7  		Chris Eagles      	RW      	         	2006       	On loan from Manchester United
8  		Gavin Mahon       	CM      	         	2002       	Brentford
9  		Marlon King       	CF      	         	2006       	Nottingham Forest
11 		Sietes            	LB      	         	2005       	Real Murcia
12 		Lloyd Doyley      	RB      	         	2001       	Academy
14 		Dominic Blizzard  	CM      	         	2002       	Academy
15 		Ashley Young      	RW/CF   	         	2003       	Academy
16 		Richard Lee       	GK      	         	2001       	Academy
17 		Jamie Hand        	CM      	         	2002       	Academy
18 		Hameur Bouazza    	CF      	         	2003       	Academy
19 		Anthony McNamee   	LW      	         	2002       	Academy
20 		Alhassan Bangura  	CM      	         	2005       	Academy
21 		Toumani Diagouraga	CM      	         	2004       	Academy
22 		Junior Osbourne   	RB/CB   	         	2005       	Academy
23 		Adrian Mariappa   	CB      	         	2005       	Academy
25 		Matthew Spring    	CM      	         	2005       	Leeds United
26 		Ben Foster        	GK      	         	2005       	On loan from Manchester United
27 		Joel Grant        	CF      	         	N/A        	Academy Player
28 		Francino Francis  	CF      	         	N/A        	Academy Player
29 		Darius Henderson  	CF      	         	2005       	Gillingham FC
31 		Alex Campana      	CM      	         	N/A        	Academy Player
32 		Les Ferdinand     	CF      	         	2005       	Reading F.C.
34 		Ben Gill          	CM      	         	N/A        	Academy Player
Thoughts?
The only problem I can see is that there's no way of showing Richard Lee's on loan without messing it up a bit.
HornetMike 19:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players Section 

message: I've just started the first part of a new revamp - the Luton rivalry section. Over the next few months I plan to add sections on the club's colours and crests, boost the history section, revamp the notable players section and add more statistics. HornetMike 13:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Update

message: I've noticed that the managers table has half the months in and half out. Using soccerbase.com (Link at base of page) can somebody assist me in cleaning up the managers for good? Thanks.Kingfisherswift 19:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Managers

message: HornetMike - while I agree Wikipedia ain't a news service, it might have been productive to edit the changes to be more of a description of what went on in the first leg of the semi. It's unavoidably relevant what happened in it, after all!
Just a thought, as they say. Nmg20 21:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Not a news service" 

message: "Watford Football Club are an English professional football club based in Watford, Hertfordshire." wouldn't "Watford FC is" be more grammatically correct?
I agree
I don't agree - Although common usage is in both the singular or plural, It is more common and accurate to use a discretionary plural when taking about clubs, particularly in British English.  As it is a British club, it is perhaps even more appropriate to use the plural. •CHILLDOUBT• 22:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar question? 

message: Is Watford F.C. a publically traded company and if so what is thier ticker symbol.  Thank you.  John R G 17:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stock Exchange 

message: Is he still a Watford player I thought he retired at the end of last (05-06) season. Kingjamie 15:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Les Ferdinand 

message: I think I remember hearing that Elton John bought a football club for a pound. I know know that he was owner of Watford, but did he pay a pound for them as I remember??
:Naa, you're probably thinking of Ken Bates and Chelsea. DJDannyP//Talk2Me 18:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  elton John bought for a pound?? 

message: Added Mo :-)
=== Length ===
This section is quit long and would perhaps be better suited to a separate article, with only the players' names listed here, alongside See main article... Fedgin | Talk 10:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it would. I'm currently working on that page, based on the same format as List of Arsenal F.C. players. Should be about at some point. HornetMike 11:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Players of Note 

message: This section is quit long and would perhaps be better suited to a separate article, with only the players' names listed here, alongside See main article... Fedgin | Talk 10:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it would. I'm currently working on that page, based on the same format as List of Arsenal F.C. players. Should be about at some point. HornetMike 11:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length 

message: Hi all who keep this excellent page up to date, very good work.
In the last week I've been attempting to add our own "External link" which is a 100% Watford FC related forum called WFCForums, (www.wfcforums.com). It's run for free and has no advertising of any type on the pages. It's 100% non profit making but run entirely for the benefit of the Watford supporting community, take a look if you need proof. Unfortunately this link keeps being removed by HornetMike with the reason being, "not a link farm".
The heading is "External Links", WFCForums is a 100% Watford FC related external link, so can someone please explain why it keeps being removed? As already explained, we're not making money but just providing a valuable service and information point for Watford supporters worldwide. The one link for an unofficial Watford FC page you do have is now unsupported and out of date.
If this would be better discussed in private please drop me an e-mail: admin AT wfcforums.com
Many Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.18.78.6 (talk • contribs) 
Hello, I'm the chap who's been removing the wfcforums link from the article. I know it looks a bit malicious and anal, sorry about that. I'm following the Wikipedia policy on external links, which can be found here: WP:EL The criteria there pretty much excludes wfcforums from being included there. Believe me, it's nothing personal - I've had to remove GloryHorns and various other blogs/forums from there in the past. Hope you understand, HornetMike 14:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fairly conclusive, I feel. Cheers, HornetMike 19:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

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message: For a club founded in 1881, it seems odd that the History section only starts in 1977. Did nothing of merit happen in the first 95 years?  Daemonic Kangaroo 08:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club history 

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message: I have created a stub article on Hertfordshire Rangers F.C. who appear to be one of the fore-runners of Watford F.C., but I am a bit confused about their history. Unfortunately the Watford F.C. article says little about the very early history. My searches on the web have come up with several very different versions. 
Here it says "Formed around 1865, Rangers featured in the FA Cup between 1875 and 1881. In 1898 they merged with Watford St Peters to form the modern Watford FC.", which was the basis for my initial article.
 
Here, however, it says "In December 1870, the Watford Observer carried a report on Hertfordshire Rangers - the forerunners of Watford Rovers. Watford Rovers was formed by a group of lads in 1881 who had been given permission by the Earl of Essex to kick a football around in Cassiobury Park. In 1882, home games began in Vicarage Meadow and a year later, the club's name was changed to West Herts. In 1898, a rival club, Watford St Mary's, was absorbed by West Herts and the name 'Watford' was formally adopted."
Version 3 says "The club takes the year of its formation as 1881 when Watford Rovers was formed. This club amalgamated in 1890 with West Hertfordshire Rangers, believed to have been formed in 1865. In 1896, the club joined the Southern League Second Division, turning professional the following year. For a period the town boasted two professional clubs but it quickly became clear that this was not sustainable and in 1898, West Herts Rangers and Watford St Mary’s FC merged to form Watford FC."
Finally, we have "They were formed in 1881 as Watford Rovers. They later merged with Hertfordshire Rangers and Watford St Mary’s to become Watford FC."
Unfortunately, the history section of the club's own website is "under construction" so is of no help at all at present. Can someone clarify the position and perhaps include a brief summary of the early history in the Watford article, and correct any errors in the Herts Rangers page.   Cheers.   --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 11:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hertfordshire Rangers F.C.]] 

message: There appears to be an edit war starting with regards to the survey that shows that Watford's second rivals are QPR. So I thought maybe we could canvas opinion of whether this nugget of information should be included.  Perhaps giving away my opinion on the subject, I'd like to make three points:
*Who ever heard of second and third rivals?
*The reference cited is a fan site, and does not say how many "fans" were consulted in the original survey.
*It must be considered total nonsense given such pieces of information as "Luton's third rival is Plymouth" and that "Plymouth's third rivals are Burnley".WW9066 (talk) 13:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a very woolly concept. As you say, it's a fan site, thus unreliable content, and the amount of people in the poll is undefined. Invariably, after your main rivals, there will be some feeling with other local teams which you could supposedly term "second rivals". But it's not a term that's used, and isn't something that comes up at all often. As a Watford season ticket holder, I've never even heard of any rival stuff between us and QPR. Definetely not worthy of inclusion in my view. HornetMike (talk) 20:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the proponent of the QPR rivalry could be appeased slightly with a factual statement at the start of the rivalry section, something along the lines of "Despite Queens Park Rangers being the closest league ground to Watford, the club have had a longstanding rivalry with Luton Town FC." WW9066 (talk) 21:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been told by a mate (who happens to be a QPR fan), that quite a few Rangers fans consider us to be their rivals, though to be honest, I haven't ever really heard anything in the opposite direction. Due to this, while it has its merits, the Watford page may not be the best place for it (can be included in the QPR page if their fans have strong feelings on the matter, then perhaps consider inclusion for consistency). PaddyUniv (talk) 03:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: QPR second rivals?

message: Whilst I am an avid reader of this site, it's a blog/message board and contains no factual information, so should this be included in a Wikipedia page?WW9066 (talk) 13:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I missed it in my last tidy. It should be removed. HornetMike (talk) 20:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: BHaPPY External Link

message: I'm trying to get this article up to GA status (maybe even FA, but that's a heck of a long shot....), but currently there's only one sentence about his time at Vicarage Road, and I don't know what else might need adding.  Surely there must be something else to say about a five year stint at a club one division below the top flight?  Any thoughts.........? ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, Hess was part of my first team - started watching in 94-95 aged 7. Summoning memories of him - the hardworking stuff is a given. His transfer came just after Watford had been relegated at the end of the 95-96 season, so that with the apparent poor form (I can't recall that, but it's mentioned in this BSaD article) might be worth a mention. There's certainly a split perception of him amongst Watford fans to this day - as I recall some think he claimed he was going to a club in the First Divsion (as was), but then decided to switch to Gillingham (in the league we dropped into) for more money. Others refute this, saying it was near his home etc. Fairly unciteable unless you can find an interview with him where he discusses it. He was out of contract as I recall, rather than one of the many released. He was quite possibly our captain - it seems obvious that he would be, and looking at a few line-ups from that time I can't recall anyone else filling the role. Again, not sure of any citation for that. Otherwise - nothing I can summon that's particularly notable, he was a regular in a distinctly unremarkable side, neither relegation nor promotion candidates. Nearly got relegated in 93-94, actually. At a push - any games when he scored twice/sent off etc.? My Watford player book is at home, I'll have a gander but it was published in 1996 so probably doesn't a summary of his Watford career akin to those that had already left the club. Will look, though. HornetMike (talk) 13:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers Mike, that's something to start with anyway....... ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:44, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Andy Hessenthaler]] 

message: I've started drafting a list of Watford F.C. managers in my sandbox. It's very much in the early stages, but if anyone would like to lend a hand, that would be grand. Also, can anyone recommend any sources for this, either printed or online? Thanks. Seegoon (talk) 13:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Watford F.C. managers]] 

message: The article's coming along quite nicely. My main concerns are with the sources:
* Were the things that the Edmund Coan reference sources actually in the Hemel Hempstead Gazette? Edmund Coan's work would be considered a reliable source, as would the Hemel Hempstead Gazette, but the way the reference is worded at the moment makes it sound dodgy.  
* We need to source the manager records. It shouldn't be too hard for Boothroyd and Lewington, hopefully the others can be sourced from a book?
* I'm not sure if we can use Hornethistory, because it doesn't give any information as to who has collated the information and why s/he can be considered reliable. The solutions would be to ask him/her to make this clear somewhere on the site, or to find alternative sources. It does no harm at the moment but that question would be asked at WP:FAC.
* The Vicarage Road section needs expanding, briefly explaning the developments over the years. The best way to do this would probably be to use a published source.
There probably are a few more, but those are the ones that spring to mind. WFCforLife (talk) 12:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I too think that citing a lecture someone witnessed is a little dodgy. I imagine all the stuff Coan talked about is in the Phillips book. There's rough manager records in who's who as I recall, there's probably more detail in season-by-season, which I haven't got. Hornethistory is compiled by a guy on the Watford mailing list. I won't put his real name here for reasons for privacy, but if you were to sign up and ask, he'd probably reply. I imagine he gets it all from Phillips/Jones too. HornetMike (talk) 17:12, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

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thread_title:  Squad table format 

message: Mainly directed at WFC, but by all means to anyone else prepared to get stuck into getting the article to GA status (note, all are mere suggestions, some probably go beyond what a GA needs, but all are meant to be helpful!):
*Our article on Football League calls it "The Football League".
*Mildly dubious over the easter egg-ish link to the 22/23 football season, it's not directly relevant to Watford's ground move...
*"saw the club scale " new para, normally repeat the subject matter on its first mention, so "saw Watford scale..."
*"They finished..." you know this will come up if reviewed by USEng readers, but I thought the first para worked hard to refer to Watford in the singular, then you're into plurals... (Apply throughout if you agree....)
**I think I've done this: the only remaining instances of "they" are a direct quote and a reference to two clubs collectively. —WFC—  07:34, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The ones I haven't responded to I fully agree with and have implemented. Thanks for this, the suggestions were brilliant, and implementing them helped me spot some other things. —WFC—  07:34, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments to maybe help at GAN? 

message: Not really familiar with the club but the full name "Watford Association Football Club" doesn't appear in the article. Given it doesn't seem to be used anywhere except legal records, is there some sort of history behind the name? Hack (talk) 01:05, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the late reply, I've hardly been on Wikipedia in recent months. The Watford Association Football Club Ltd has been the name of the business entity of the club for at least a century (based on the mention in the articles of association of the Southern League and South Eastern League). I have seen nothing to suggest that the team itself has ever been referred to as Watford AFC, but it's plausible that it might have been at some point in time. —WFC— FL wishlist 13:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full name 

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message: Jack Petchey owned and ran the club from 1987 to 1994 and his name isn't mentioned on the article once. Talk about a major hole in the article, I think this needs to be addressed. Govvy (talk) 11:57, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jack Petchey]] 

message: A date is incorrect.  In "Early Years" second paragraph, 6th line.  The date of the Watford Observer should change from - "28th May 1898 to 7th May 1898".The source is http://thestrawplaiters.com/rivalry-the/ Pleatys dance (talk) 09:22, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done SD0001 (talk) 09:56, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 December 2018 

message: Change 1898 to 1881
The club was founded in 1881 - not as stated in this line 'Founded in 1898 by the amalgamation of West Herts and Watford St. Mary's.'<ref><ref>http://www.watfordfcarchive.com/ Namorrodor (talk) 12:46, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. programmingGeek(contribs) { this.timestamp = 20:00, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 January 2019 

message: The Watford FC page is missing Juan Camilo Hernandez (Cucho Hernandez) as a player out on loan. His own page is correct and states that he is indeed owned by Watford and out on loan at Huesca Davey79c (talk) 14:46, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juan Camilo Hernandez 

message: The Watford FC page is missing Juan Camilo Hernandez (Cucho Hernandez) as a player out on loan. His own page is correct and states that he is indeed owned by Watford and out on loan at Huesca Davey79c (talk) 15:39, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  RhinosF1(chat)(status)(contribs) 17:43, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 March 2019 

message: please discuss the issue here rather than reverting each other's edits back & forth. GiantSnowman 08:32, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why the change either, I also agree to 1881 as does the official books and clubs own website, the first part of the article Early history fails to have true prose chronological order, it's a bit of a mess, I don't know why this article is rated GA. Govvy (talk) 11:32, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You've just destroyed the point of the whole lead, Watford was founded as Watford Rovers in 1881, that's how they were founded, you have effectively removed the consistency in the chronologic order.   You need to revert before you end up getting on the wrong side of wikipedia law. Govvy (talk) 11:48, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

text: You have effectively ran WP:OR which is against wikipedia policy. You shouldn't be doing that and you are disputing perfectly valid sources. Govvy (talk) 12:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

text: This is a very difficult question. I don't think you should copy information, when the mistake is very obvious. An example is Bill Julian. In recent books they are still ignoring the fact that there is no shred of evidence that he returned to the Netherlands after the war. The famous coach in the Netherlands is the son, not the father. It's not hard to find interviews in newspapers where the son talks about his father, the former Arsenal captain. Another recent issue, the date of foundation of Stoke City, was actually very well researched somewhere in the late 1980's by Wade Martin. He knew about the article in the Field magazine in 1868, checked the Charterhouse School register etc. and came to the conclusion that there was no evidence of a Stoke City football club before 1868, it was published in the encyclopaedia of Stoke City 1868 to 1994 (...) by Tony Matthews (page 5). Have Stoke City changed the date of foundation? They didn't, there are some indications that football was played in the Stoke area before 1868, but that's all.
I don't think strange foundation dates are necessarily a result of bad research, I can't believe someone like Trefor Jones didn't know about the article in the Watford Observer. Until somewhere in the 1990's there are different versions of the early history of Watford. Formed after the amalgamation of West Herts and Watford St. Mary's in 1898, founded in 1891 (...used to be in Rothmans, copied year after year) as Watford Rovers. Trefor Jones used the word absorbed in his books published in the 1990's. Why he did this I don't know, the answer is not in the books. The answer could be hidden somewhere in the history after 1898. I don't have more recent books.
In 1991 SVV and Dordrecht' 90 merged to form a new club SVV/Dordrecht'90. Initially everybody regarded this as a new club, founded in 1991. SVV (Schiedam) played in the Eredivisie, they had a decent squad, an ambitious chairman willing to invest, but no stadium and not much support. Dordrecht '90 had a stadium, an ambitious chairman and they played in the Eerste Divisie. In the 1991/92 season SVV/Dordrecht played in the Eredivisie. A large part of the squad used to play for SVV, chairman was Cees den Braven (Dordrecht). The former SVV chairman couldn't get with Den Baven and left the new club after one year, and I doubt there where many former SVV supporters, who travelled to Dordrecht to see the new club. After a year SVV was no longer part of the name of the club, and Dordrecht became like the club they were before the merger, but they don't deny that the merger never happened. The current club FC Dordrecht was founded in 1883 as D.F.C. If you find the foundation date 1 July 1972, and you can. That was when the club first got its current name. Is this unfair to the history of the SVV club, maybe it is ,but SVV still has a rich history of its own. There are similar cases where the date of the foundation is the date of the merger, but there are plenty of cases were the date of foundation after the merger is the date of foundation of the earliest forerunner. Whatever you choose, there is always a similar precedent. It would be nice, if there had been universal rules dealing with these things, but they simply don't exist. (I was never a Dordrecht or SVV supporter.) Cattivi (talk) 12:52, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

text: I have no problem whatsoever with a seperate Watford St. Mary's page, and pages for the Cother brothers (Jack and Eddie), who both played for Watford Rangers/West Herts, Watford St. Mary's and Watford. Trefor Jones didn't ignore this in his who's who published in 1996 (page 60). Black refers to "of (partly) Indian decent" in this case. Cattivi (talk) 15:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foundation date 

message: I suggest Nigel Pearson be left as manager for now. There's no official announcement of his sacking by Watford. CrypticAbyss (talk) 14:19, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pearson Sacking Rumour

message: as of 23:48 BST on 25th July 2020, after Nigel Pearson was sacked, the page was changed to show Mickey Mouse as interim manager, with a link to the mickey mouse page, instead of hayden mullins, i wanted to mention this because im not sure it should be there. i have a link here showing the edivence https://gyazo.com/565ce95e58cb3750766e9a0569ca256e 
--Jjfmacmanus (talk) 22:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mickey Mouse Manager 

message: Could someone upload their new kits? The prem starts tomorrow and it still hasn't been updated. 2A02:C7E:1C8F:AE00:FCA2:E6C5:B6C8:C5E5 (talk) 14:51, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: New kit

message: Someone edited the intro of the article with banter and trash ralk 152.168.101.56 (talk) 23:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highlight mistake