Template talk:Vincent van Gogh

message: New template
         	Vincent van Gogh
General  	The Artist | Chronology | Medical condition | Posthumous fame | Display at Les XX, 1890 | Van Gogh Museum
Paintings	List of works | The Starry Night | The Church at Auvers | The Night Café | Sunflowers | Wheat Field with Crows
Related  	Post-Impressionism | Theo van Gogh | Paul Gauguin
New template (no picture)
         	Vincent van Gogh
General  	The Artist | Chronology | Medical condition | Posthumous fame | Display at Les XX, 1890 | Van Gogh Museum
Paintings	List of works | The Starry Night | The Church at Auvers | The Night Café | Sunflowers | Wheat Field with Crows
Related  	Post-Impressionism | Theo van Gogh | Paul Gauguin
Original template
Vincent van Gogh
General:  The artist | Chronology | Medical condition | Display at Les XX, 1890 | Posthumous fame | Van Gogh Museum | Post-Impressionism | Theo van Gogh | Paul GauginPaintings: List of works | The Starry Night | SunflowersThe Night Café | The Church at Auvers | Wheat Field with Crows
Long template
Vincent van Gogh
General:  The Artist | Chronology | Medical condition | Posthumous fame | Display at Les XX, 1890 Van Gogh Museum | Post-Impressionism | Theo van Gogh | Paul Gauguin | The Roulin FamilyPaintings: List of works | The Potato Eaters | Bedroom in Arles | The Red Vineyard | Sunflowers Cafe Terrace at Night | Self-Portraits | The Night Café | The Yellow House | The Church at Auvers The Starry Night | Portrait of Dr. Gachet | Thatched Cottages by a Hill | Wheat Field with Crows
I just figured out how to do this!! Stay tuned!! Dafoeberezin3494 01:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template designs for the discerning

message: ===New===
The new template is bulky and the top blue band imbalanced and too big. Last choice. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --RPD 01:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Not so inspiring. --RPD 01:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: For me, second choice. Simply does not fill the screen. --RPD 01:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: My first choice, but I would prefer another image - the former Whitney Self-Portrait, now in Washington. --RPD 01:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dafoeberezin3494 has just decided on this and I'm happy with it too, so, unless Stumps objects, it looks as though we have our template, which will go nicely at the bottom of each page. I'll give it a test run. I suggest we have some fun and change the picture from time to time. Well done Dafoeberezin3494 on getting the text sorted — it's so simple once you know how! Tyrenius 02:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately a test drive revealed that the template is too wide and sticks out beyond the normal width of the page, so I have shortened it. This is on a low res screen on IE6, so fairly widely used (I don't know if that makes any difference to the result though). Tyrenius 03:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've aligned it with the categories box underneath, and this works with images in articles as well. Tyrenius 03:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I too like this one. Stumps 05:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Which is your favourite template?

message: The new template is bulky and the top blue band imbalanced and too big. Last choice. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --RPD 01:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New

message: This is graphically smart, but increases the size for less information (the picture is lacking) and is slightly less user-friendly as the titles are in one box and the links appear as a bulk of text, not clearly separated. Third choice. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so inspiring. --RPD 01:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New (no picture)

message: My own feeling is that the original is the most attractive and user-friendly with the bold text easily showing where to look for subjects and a nice image. First choice. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For me, second choice. Simply does not fill the screen. --RPD 01:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original

message: If more links are added the long version would be best as it allows a lot of links without increasing the depth. First choice if more links added. Tyrenius 01:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My first choice, but I would prefer another image - the former Whitney Self-Portrait, now in Washington. --RPD 01:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dafoeberezin3494 has just decided on this and I'm happy with it too, so, unless Stumps objects, it looks as though we have our template, which will go nicely at the bottom of each page. I'll give it a test run. I suggest we have some fun and change the picture from time to time. Well done Dafoeberezin3494 on getting the text sorted — it's so simple once you know how! Tyrenius 02:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately a test drive revealed that the template is too wide and sticks out beyond the normal width of the page, so I have shortened it. This is on a low res screen on IE6, so fairly widely used (I don't know if that makes any difference to the result though). Tyrenius 03:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've aligned it with the categories box underneath, and this works with images in articles as well. Tyrenius 03:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I too like this one. Stumps 05:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Long

message: Vincent van Gogh
General  	The Artist | Chronology | Medical condition | Posthumous fame  Display at Les XX, 1890 | Van Gogh Museum | Theo van Gogh
Paintings	List of works | The Starry Night | Self-Portraits | The Night Café  Sunflowers | Wheat Field with Crows | The Church at Auvers
Related  	Post-Impressionism | Paul Gauguin | The Roulin Family
This is the best idea I have to make it more compact, I don't think I can get the picture in without making the title bar way too big.  I made this by studying other templates; I haven't seen one yet that will let me do that.  But I would vote for this as my first choice. Dafoeberezin3494 01:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dafoeberezin3494's first choice now changed to long template — see above. Tyrenius 03:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template design 

message: Please list any new Van Gogh articles here. Once they're added to the template, please mark them as such. Tyrenius 05:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Voilà, the articles I recently started (and not yet included):
Groups or series by Vincent van Gogh: Flowering Orchards - Vincent van Gogh's Décoration for the Yellow House in Arles - The Wheat Field - Copies after Millet, and others - Vincent van Gogh's Double-squares and Squares from Auvers
Paintings by Vincent van Gogh: Portrait of Paul-Eugène Milliet - At Eternity's Gate - Daubigny's Garden - Les Arènes - The Town Hall at Auvers - View of Arles, Flowering Orchards - Ivy, two paintings by Vincent van Gogh
But I vaguely remember that there are more which already existed, and I have slightly expanded. I'll check it. --RPD 05:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Brilliant work. I think we're OK on template size. Check this one out: Template:World War II! Also note the width is specified as 100%, which means it is flexible according to browser and screen size (this will mean bars between all links, if we adopt this). Tyrenius 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New articles for template

message: Vincent van Gogh (1853-1890)
* Prelude
* The Battle
* Lack of outside support
* Capitulation
* Aftermath
* Cultural representations
* Military participants
* Notable people
* Facts and figures
based on the template Warsaw Uprising
A template like this could accompany all majour essays on Van Gogh at the top of the page (!!!). All contributions on Van Gogh could then supply a second template (without images, givings a full inventory of related articles)
:Object  I was playing around with it, but considering this template is on some extremely short articles for individual paintings (Thatched Cottages by a Hill for example) the template would take up too much room IMO. Dafoeberezin3494 01:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The current small template at the bottom of the page makes sense for articles on paintings where the primary visual space needs to be devoted to the artworks under discussion, and we are short of horizontal space.  For longer essentially textual articles something like this might indeed be more useful.  But I've also been thinking that maybe a spearate template for the paintings themselves might be useful, as no doubt the number of such articles will continue to grow, and then if we have only one all-purpose template the sheer number of links to paintings will drown out the biographical lniks. Stumps 06:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for reorganisation 

message: Uh...his brother, his sister in law, his cousin and his great grand nephew are all relatives..and relevant...Modernist (talk) 05:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You make a good case. Ty 05:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

text: It's irrefutable. Ty 07:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Can you make an entry about her? I don't know anything about her and she sounds interesting, thanks...Modernist (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  There is no sign of any article on Wil van Gogh having been created or deleted, though. Ty 01:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Family

message: Shouldn't the list of paintings be organized chronologically of alphabetically? – Editør (talk) 19:04, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paintings 

message: The Vincent van Gogh portal was recently deleted. I've removed the red link from the template. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 10:39, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: No portal, no portal link

message: Meadows near Rijswijk and the Schenkweg is a single watercolour painting and belongs in the Other Works section of the template and not in Groups of Works Hochithecreator (talk) 00:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: *Watercolor paintings seem to make the bar and are listed on templates as 'Paintings' (far as I know). For what can be done with watercolor see the masterpiece Love's Messenger. 'Other works' here probably should contain sketches, drawings, and the like, and not paintings. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:18, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

text: *, would you object to moving the watercolors now listed in 'Other' into 'Paintings' in their individual years? We could ping other art project editors if you'd like to have further editorial input. I'm pretty convinced that watercolor paintings are considered paintings on Wikipedia and should be listed so on templates, but I could be wrong and if there is dispute then other voices would clarify one way or another. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:03, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Watercolours were originally placed in the other works section before I started on Van Gogh so I'm just following on from that; and Oil and watercolour are separated on the list of works page. But if other people are ok with moving them to individual years in the paintings section then I'm willing to go along with that. Hochithecreator (talk) 12:43, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it's a decided issue or a gray area. Will ping , ,  to start, they know the rules and regs better than I. Glad you brought the point up, it's a good one. There are plenty of watercolors on templates listed as paintings, and the title of the watercolor painting article was what I was going by. Thanks , and good to see editors working on art pages. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:51, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's a fiddly issue. Watercolours obviously are paintings, but in the case of Western ones (not eg Chinese ones) are sometimes grouped with drawings, as they usually are physically in museums for conservation reasons. There's no real right or wrong answer, but you should try to make it clear how you are handling them (maybe eg saying "oil paintings" not just "paintings"). Can they have their own section? Can't "other works" usefully be split into them+drawings? In categories I'd usually put them with the paintings for sure. Johnbod (talk) 16:16, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Drawings and more elaborate watercolor paintings should probably be separate, and in this case the section head 'Other' could be replaced with two new sections, 'Drawings' and 'Watercolors' if that's a good way to go. Many of van Goghs watercolors are among his earliest works, so a year following each one seems the best way to classify the section along chronological order. The difference between some watercolors and the watercolor and tempera Love's Messenger is striking, as that seems a full and recognizable masterwork painting to me. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO I would like to see watercolors included as paintings in general; however here we should indicate and differentiate between oil paintings and works on paper...Modernist (talk) 16:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As I see it, Wikipedia should follow the example of museums and major auction houses and separate out works on canvas or panel (i.e. Oil, tempera, acrylic, etc.) from works on paper such as watercolours, drawings or prints. I like 's idea that Other works be changed to either Drawings and watercolours or Works on paper. Hochithecreator (talk) 17:24, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

text: My personal preference would be for Works on paper. Although none of Van Gogh's prints have their own page at the moment it would leave open the possibility of future pages to be created for them. Hochithecreator (talk) 17:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Johnbod's "Watercolors" and "Drawings" (two separate sections) seems better to me as upon viewing the pages there is a big difference between the "feel" of the two. Many watercolors are easily seen as 'paintings' while drawings are, well, drawings. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:08, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Since looks like a consensus discussion, a ping to  in order. The  template seems to be well-ordered for different forms. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:30, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Added 'Oil' to 'paintings' per your suggestion, it fits nicely, and at least removed the green icon from the bottom (I don't understand why bottom items each get an icon, and remove them when I can). Haven't ever opened up one of the 'Book' links, so don't know exactly what those are about. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:45, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meadows near Rijswijk and the Schenkweg 

message: In accord with the consensus reached above, I have separated out watercolours and drawings into two different sections. Hochithecreator (talk) 22:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paintings, watercolours and drawings