Talk:Wii/Archive 7

message: Suggest cutting the external links section to just nintendo's website and maybe 1up link? - the current offerings don't seem to offer much at present, especially the links about the new name.HappyVR 17:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed some of the redundant external links. Jedi6-(need help?) 23:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: User:71.255.60.90 keeps re-adding this highly speculatory, and rather superflous piece of rumour talking, which incidentely borders on original research too:
:The official Nintendo website  makes no reference to the name "Wii," except in the message boards. It only has a link to the website explaining the new name  under the title "Revolution has a new name!" This, along with other factors, has led some to believe that the name change is a way for Nintendo to generate attention for the console shortly before E³. At E³, they believe that Nintendo will either reveal this was all a clever hoax and use "Revolution" after all, or reveal an entirely new name. Opponents to this theory say that Nintendo has officially stated that the name will be Wii, and they have trademarked the name. However, it is not uncommon for a company to trademark prototype names for a product before deciding on a final name.
Im through to my 3 reverts for this day on this article (did a couple more, but those were vandal reverts). I would like to ask this user to please stop. For one, you're about to break the revert rules. I will cross post this to his or her talk page. --Codemonkey 21:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just keep reverting it since its original research. Also in an interview with Game Informer Nintendo has said any theory on them changing the name again is a lie..
Does this really qualify as "original research"? The paragraph isn't stating that any of the rumor is true, just that it exists, and while the user didn't provide sources, the fact that this rumor is spinning around the internet has been reported independently: IGN, CNET, financial times, and others have the story. I do think the whole paragraph might be excessive... maybe as a compromise it could edited down a bit? Lee Bailey 06:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Lee Bailey. It is a strong rumour that is sourced in respectable and "geekie" sites. Maybe a single line could explain this to keep this problem at bay. After all, we are a week away from E3. -- ReyBrujo 07:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  My two cents- whatever "rumor" might be floating around, Wikipedia should rely on what are OFFICIAL sources first and foremost. Perrin Kaplan herself has literally, blatantly stated on the record "that anyone who doesn't like the name will have to "Live with it, sleep with it, eat with it, move along with it.[]" The name is Wii, and the name is NOT going to change, no matter how much anyone might want it to. Daniel Davis 12:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Among some of those that dislike the name, there is a hope that Nintendo intends to still change it, possibly at their e3 2006 press conference.  Statements made by Nintendo seem to indicate that no such intention exists.  Initially, the lack of registered trademarks on Wii caused some confusion, but Nintendo has stated that these do exist. 
Maybe going a bit overboard on having 3 sources though... --Codemonkey 13:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definate improvement there, Codemonkey. I don't think your sourcing is excessive at all. May need a little more tweaking, because as it stands now we have Nintendo's statement that "Wii" sounds like the english word "we" at the top of the section, and then the "can be considered a homonym for we" bit a few sentences later. It shouldn't be hard to re-arrange a little to avoid the redundancy.  Lee Bailey 22:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't understand where this confusion is coming from.  Wii is the new name.  It's on the official Nintendo website.  Multiple reps from Nintendo have stated in multiple interviews that Wii is official. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, the brackets in the quote do not signify a possibility that the name is unofficial.  They signify that Wii was not actually said, but what was referred to. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rumour about name not being final being readded 

message: Although I believe Wii is the final name, I must agree on that the rumour section should be kept. It is verifiable in notable sites (1Up, IGN, GameInformer, etc). And remember one of the basic Wikipedia official policies: As counter-intuitive as it may seem, the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.. In other words:
* Nintendo states the name is final. Can we verify that? Yes, it is in Nintendo' site. Is it a reliable source? Yes, it is a primary source of the subject we are talking about.  Is it original research? No, it is written by Nintendo itself, not by a Wikipedia editor. Can we cite sources? Yes, Nintendo site included. This part fits the article.
* People think the name is not final. Can we verify this? Yes, Codemonkey provided links for three sites. Are they reliable sources? Yes, they are. IGN, 1UP.com and GameInformer are articles in Wikipedia because they fit web notability. Is it original research? No, it is not written by a Wikipedia editor. Can we cite sources? Yes, Codemonkey provided the links. Thus, this part fits the article.
Even if in some days more Nintendo denies renames and indeed keeps the Wii name, I believe the rumour section should contain a subsection about the name. Otherwise, we would not be acting according to Wikipedia spirit.
Who believes we should add the rumour about the name and who believes we shouldn't? I will be reinstalling the information in the article if no good rejection comes. -- ReyBrujo 04:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should just table this discussion. People seem to have stopped re-adding comments on the name possibly not being final, or being a hoax. And the entire discussion will become moot in about four days time anyway. --Codemonkey 17:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding the rumour section 

message: Alright, I've attempted some of the redundancy down in the intro and name section, which took a little rewording. I didn't touch anything that's currently being debated, to my knowledge: the rumor section was out before I edited and the "wee wee" remark in, so that's reflected. I did de-link the term "urine", since it's not all that related. Mostly, I just moved name stuff to the name section. Hopefully, this won't be too controversial.
Lee Bailey 04:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  General cleanup edit 

message: What to do about quotes using the old name?eg"...because Wii can run GameCube software, when you play Twilight Princess on Wii you can take advantage of the Wii controller."
should read correctly"...because revolution can run GameCube software, when you play Twilight Princess on revolution you can take advantage of the revolution controller." because obviously this is what was said - any suggestions?HappyVR 17:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Change it to "...because [Wii] can run GameCube software, when you play Twilight Princess on [Wii] you can take advantage of the [Wii] controller."? Steel359 17:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, no. Please don't use "you" or "your" in Wikipedia articles. -- ReyBrujo 17:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, you can't modify the quote. What he said he said. You may be able to clarify that he is talking about Wii, but you can't change his words. In example, ...because revolution [Wii] can run GameCube software, when you play Twilight Princess on revolution [Wii].... -- ReyBrujo 18:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That's what the square brackets are for. To clarify that he was talking about the Wii despite not using that actual word. -- Steel359 18:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done it.HappyVR 18:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I just changed it to the way I suggested. Please tell me if anyone has any objections. -- Steel359 18:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I objected - and changed it back to the form 'Revolution[Wii]' since this shows what the origianl quote was and includes the replacement name in brackets.HappyVR 19:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Personally I still think the other way is better. Having both names in there, with square brackets and no space between the words (i.e. Revolution[Wii]) is going to confuse people and is completely unnecessary. Anyone else want to comment on this? -- Steel359 21:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Initially, I thought it looked a bit ugly too, and it goes against what I know about how square brackets in quotes are generally used. But Bracket#Box_brackets_or_square_brackets_.5B_.5D seems to agree with his usage, as not only a valid, but common stylistical choice. WP:CITE doesn't seem to say anything about it. Does anyone want to pull out his style guides on this? ;) --Codemonkey 21:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Some guy changed it to "[Wii]" earlier, but HappyVR changed it back again. "Revolution[Wii]" looks ridiculous, and if anything should be changed to "Revolution (Wii)". Out of that, leaving it as it is, and using "[Wii]", I have no real preference. To be honest I don't think those quotes really add much to the article anyway. -- Steel359 17:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just changed it to the way user:Reybrujo suggested - I don't think the quote should be changed but possibly needs clarification - however I doubt anyone doesn't know revolution refers to wii - I originally asked because someone had altered all instances of revolution to wii making the quotes definately wrong - and yes I don't think the quotes are that useful but should probably stay until the speculation is ended.HappyVR 18:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Urg. In these situations, when quoting, it should be [Wii], not Revolution[Wii], the brackets mean that a word has been replaced with another one that makes more sense in the context. For example, if someone says: "I'm great at this" while eating a lot of cheese, you might want to write it down as "I'm great at [eating cheese]", you wouldn't write "I'm great at this[eating cheese]"... But whatever, it doesn't matter (195.92.168.175 22:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That's how most professional editors do it anyway; see the article on brackets for further info.  You replace the old word with the new word, the brackets are just to clarify that it's an editor's note and not originally what the person said.   Stratadrake 02:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The other way is using sic, like ...because revolution (sic) can run GameCube software, when you play Twilight Princess on revolution (sic).... However, between having a modified quoted and the real one, I prefer keeping the real. -- ReyBrujo 02:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: Currently, on the right we have a videogame system banner, which includes a picture of the Wii. This is a promo picture from a batch that was released during e3 2005. During TGS 2005, after the controller was released, Nintendo released a new batch of Wii promo shots, with a decidedly different styling. I feel we should be using one of these as the identifying shot of the Wii in this article. I was thinking of this one, although obviously resized to something less big.
My reasoning is this. It seems to jive more with various Wii PR materials, like the revealed Wii logo; it seems more indicative of what Nintendo is trying to do with the styling, and marketing message, of Wii; and the TGS shots include the controller. Also, the e3 shots still include the 'revolution' temp logo marking, although obviously you can't really see it in the tumbnail. 
I have two questions. One: does anyone agree with me on this? Two: if it should be changed, would overwriting the old file with a new version, a new revision, be the right thing to do, or would creating an entire new image in the WP database be preferable? --Codemonkey 18:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - change the image to the new one without the revolution text on the console - agree.HappyVR 18:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, that's possible. The only thing is that adding an extra item to the gallery makes it wrap. See my sandbox. And a lot of WP editors dislike big image galleries in articles anyway already. Also, I'm not quite happy with my image description. The front and side pic can probably go though. What do you think? Any suggestion? --Codemonkey 22:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I think I managed to get something I can live with on my sandbox. :) I'll add into the article. --Codemonkey 22:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Gracias :-D PhoenixJ 23:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New picture of Wii for the VG system banner 

message: e3 2006 is in a few weeks. I was just wondering, will someone protect this article to protect it from every rumor that will be floating around during that time? dposse 18:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Protection is for severe cases of vandalism or revert wars.  To protect the page during E3 would seriously hinder the article.  To protect the page against rumors just remove random additions that go uncited. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So, is protection still needed right now? It sounds like tehre are enough people monitoring it to avoid bits of unsourced rumor creeping in. nevermind that. the page is only protected against moves right now. Stupid me. Circeus 02:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Protection can not be used as a preventitive measure. Jedi6-(need help?) 03:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 06:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  E3 

message: There seems to be a lot of vandalism on this page over the last few days, maybe the article should be locked down for a few days.
Right now there's "wii is the stupidest..." on the top of the page, but I'm unsure of how to remove it.--142.227.165.2 13:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, usually when there is blanking (replacing all the contents with a single or couple of lines) the bots will catch and revert the changes. When the name was announced we had one change per minute. -- ReyBrujo 13:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't see the specific vandalism you're talking about, but if there is any feel free to go to the article, click "edit this page", and remove it yourself.  You can edit the article just like how you edited this talk page.  If it's just vandalism with no good edits since the last good version then you can also Wikipedia:Revert the article. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 13:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... it seems the move protection tag was removed and lost somewhere, though... -- ReyBrujo 13:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 80.0.2.237 (talk • contribs) removed it.  I've already restored it and warned the user with . --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 13:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: removed this :**NEC will be providing LSI .
just because it was in the wrong place - as far as I know this is definately true - is it worth inclusion in the article?HappyVR 17:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: nec

message: Nintendo's former Revolution site has been changed from revolution.nintendo.com to wii.nintendo.com.Sir John Sack-and-Sugar 20:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Site Change

message: "After announcing the name, some criticism was received from English speaking countries because Wii sounds like the English word "wee" or the phrase "wee wee", common euphemisms for "urine" or "penis" respectively"
I noticed someone took the word "penis" out of this section and I'm wondering why.  The majority of criticism I've seen has had to do with the fact that wii resmembles wee wee.  Last time I checked, wikipedia was not censored so what gives? Ziiv 21:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See discussion above. Ashibaka tock 22:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: As far as I know 'wee' is a euphemism for piss and 'wee wee' is a euphemism for 'to take a piss' and everthing else is a euphemism for penis.HappyVR 16:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't this Appropriate? 

message: NOA_Rufus just posted a "Luigi Code" article at Nintendo's website. The text is in all lower case letters, with the exception of a few key letters. Here it is in full:
:http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/FOR4KYhnoFssoH9J50wKVC81dq-zhITi.jpg</br></br>howdy pardners!</br></br>yoU've heard the Buzz about nintendo's new console and the controller. you know that other secrets will be revealed at e3, but you Just can't wait to find out. rufus has the secret. Quiet, they're foLlowing me. Come this way...</br></br>there's somethiNg you should know about. a codE, as old as the wrench itself, that the secret society of plumbers has been using to Quip with eAch otheR in thEir mission to keep water Flowing to all parts of the world.</br></br>rufus has seen Jumbled documeNts fLoatinG around noa, and some of the words Bound within those documents, like PENPX, just haven't made sense. it's the code: the luiGi code. did yoU heaR that? let's move...</br></br>this might be rufus's last article because i've said too much already. i think they're on to me. the PlumBers, you see, are Quite feRociOus about protecting tHeir code, and ever since i cracked it, i've felt like one thousand eyes are Gazing at me. rufus sits across from a waLl of fan art, several Boards, and lately, i've noticed Hand-drawn pictures of luigi there i've never seen before, Just looking VerY closelY at me.</br></br>be warned! the code is dangeroUs, but so is kNowledge, especIally when you want to know something Real bad and someone else isn't Giving it up. always Browse for the code.</br></br>for the rest of you who Just doN't haVe time for a Great biG information hunt, kick Back, relax and wait for e3. nintendo'S going to haVe an Amazing show there. Quite frankly, rufus can't wait to hear aBout all the cool tHings about the controller that i ain't been privileGed to kNOw yet.</br></br>But that is, if rufus is still Here Gaming or if i'm in a Jam, Veering out of trouble and running Very fast. after knowing what i know about the luigi code, rufus has Just one Bit of Advice: if you crack it, watch out. that man in the Green hat Looking at you, he doesn't show up aBout everywHere you are on accident.</br></br>get well soon!</br></br>ABN_EHSHF, Wii cryptologist and a plumber's worst nightmare
Source
I've deleted all the lower case letters, punctuation and the capital "W" to get this:
:UBJQL CNEQAREF</br></br>JNL GB PENPX GUR PBQR</br></br>OHG LBH JVYY UNIR GB JNVG GB SVAQ BHG NOBHG JVV JBAG LBH</br></br>ABN_EHSHF
I noticed that half of the alphabet is moved over to the other half, like "A" becomes "N", "B" becomes "O", etc. So I used this to decode the following:
:Howdy pardners!</br></br>Way to crack the code!</br></br>But you will have to wait to find out about Wii, won't you?</br></br>NOA_Rufus
So I guess there are false leads so far... - NES Boy 22:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Luigi Code 

message: Joystiq article explaining that Nintendo filed a Priority_right back in November 11, 2005 for the name Wii Dionyseus 06:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 07:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  that is kinda funny, not only are they serious, but now we now the Atterny for Nintendo. DivineShadow218 15:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo filed the name Wii on November 11 2005 

message: Maybe I missed it in the article, but I was fairly sure the tidbit about the "nunchaku" containing its own accelerometer was a pretty confirmed item, and I didn't see it in the features list. Not placed in, or is there a reason I missed? gspawn 00:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At this point, it's probably better to just wait until E3.  --Maxamegalon2000 02:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It's in the rumour section - also see Talk archive 6 section 'Nunchuck Unit Info'.HappyVR 07:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accelerometer 

message: This article 
 shows proff that the name Wii has been tradmarked by Nintendo. This shows that the title is real and that it is Wii and not Nintendo Wii.
:Found the second reply there quite funny:
:Holy crap! One of the trademark documents has this listed as one of the uses for the Wii™, "protective helmets for sports; machines and apparatus for immersions". Nintendo On does exist! And I can wear it while riding my bike! 
:Lee Bailey 03:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trademark for wii forund 

message: I thought that the Wii containing a PowerPC processor was speculative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC#Design_Win_summary doesn't constitute proof in my opinion.
the other reference http://revolution.ign.com/articles/699/699118p1.html is debateable too.HappyVR 09:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I realise that, but the articles sources could be questioned for there reliability - it's a 'leak' from an unamed developer or something. Currently this info. is contained in section:Rumours and Speculation, I think it's best to leave it there until there is more solid info., which shouldn't be long now.HappyVR 10:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, it's a link from IGN themselves, and I for one trust IGN. They don't say "it could", they don't say "it might". They oughtright and specifically say "this is the architecture, and this is what it's based off of." That's not speculation, that's an outright statement. Remember that Wikipedia's basis is on verifiability. Don't you touch my citation. That's BAD touching! Daniel Davis 10:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: but I'm confused now because the same info. is listed as rumour in the rest of the article.?HappyVR 11:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fixed. This isn't a whisper from a friend of a friend of a friend. This is IGN putting themselves on the line here; the only reason why they haven't "outed" the source is because Nintendo is notorious about it's NDA protected secrets. But they are explicit- they know for a fact that the system runs off the PowerPC architecture. We'll keep it out of the rumors section unless something changes, ok? Daniel Davis 11:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh no, I've had to revert - the reference for the rest of the rumour was in the bit you deleted..HappyVR 11:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for being vigiliant. I never would have known about the extra rumor stuff. Good work. Daniel Davis 12:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PowerPC

message: :Category:Nintendo Wii only games was listed on WP:CFDS, but has been delisted, indicating disucssion here and not really meeting the guidelines.  Please list on WP:CFD if desired. — xaosflux Talk 00:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delist speedy rename 

message: OKay. I mentioned this in another section, but let me exlpain the little bit more I need to. The name? Wii. Nintendo is promoting it as Wii, capital lowercase lowercase. Get it so far? BUt, capitalize it all, as I found by accidetally hitting the Caps Lock... and, WII. Creepily simmilar to WWII, World War 2. Maybe I'm paranoid because I just watched a documentary about WW2, but just want to put that out there. And yes, I made a typo in the other section I mentioned this in.    User:Aido2002 03:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying to come up with a polite way to call you a conspiracy nut and your observation a stretch undeserving of comment.  If anyone else can come up with one, feel free to replace this comment with it.  In the meantime, I would point out that original research isn't allowed in articles, and to include the observation in it would require another source to report on it.  Sorry if I'm being harsh.  --Maxamegalon2000 03:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not just a nutty observation, it's a copied one. "Aido" is just mimicking a South Park episode where a very Nintendo-like company tried to use "Chinpokomon" to restart World War II. If Aido is going to create a conspiracy theory, he should at least TRY to come up with one that hasn't already been done. Daniel Davis 03:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which leads me to this (1st post)http://www.revo-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?s=7ca828fe82ce1400f7b1ce86a5fa3947&t=5942&page=2
HappyVR 18:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I just read what is here on this, and I don't think I should be posting on the archiive, I'll copy/paste on current page as well... but anyway, let me just make it clear... I WAS KIDDING. And as far as Daniel Davis's observation is concerned, ironically enough, I saw that episode right after posting this... and the first thing I thought was that someone would say I was copying. Also, I did not intend for this to be in the article, just wanted to say it. Just wanted to make all this clear. aido2002 21:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Creepy Thing with the Name...

message: I replaced the infobox image with a slightly better one, but there's  one here that is much better than both. However, I'm not sure about IGN's image policies. Does anyone know more about using their images? Alex (t) 07:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that is an image from the Wii flash animation. I believe you can use it through "Fair use", the same way they are using it without being sued by Nintendo. Also, note that, in general, web site policies about images is of little relevance when compared with its copyright owner. -- ReyBrujo 07:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't use the one from the flash animation. The non-gradient one taken from the press release seems to be the logo they're intending to use, as a trademark. --Codemonkey 13:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, someone put up a cleaner version of the .png, so it's all good. Alex (t) 19:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Logo 

message: Shortened name section to just the 'facts' - do we really need homonyms of euphemisms, outside links to trivial articles and comment - I suggest not.HappyVR 21:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need the reference to urine, but not what Wii sounds like in a million different languages. -- Steel359 22:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to wikify urine. Plain English words should not be wikified. -- ReyBrujo 22:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure why we shouldn't have information about what "wii" means in various languages. The name has been the subject of a lot of criticism, and it's relevant from a marketing point of view. --Lee Bailey 07:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 19:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It was most likely a hoax like the Nintendo On. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name