Talk:Lepidoptera/Archive 1

message: I would like to announce the creation of WikiProject Lepidoptera so that we have a forum to discuss and hassle out these issues. Regards, AshLin 06:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Creation of WikiProject Lepidoptera

message: Can someone reorganize the following and add it back suitably into the article or perhaps as a new article on the classification... Most of the information is repeated in the lepidoptera box in the footer.
Shyamal 10:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved material-Family classification

message: Classification of European Lepidoptera	Classification of European Lepidoptera	Classification of European Lepidoptera	Classification of European Lepidoptera	Classification of European Lepidoptera	Classification of European Lepidoptera
Superfamily:                          	Family:                               	Subfamily:                            	                                      	                                      	
Acanthopteroctetoidea                 	Acanthopteroctetidae                  	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Alucitoidea                           	Alucitidae                            	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Axioidea                              	Axiidae                               	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Bombycoidea                           	Brahmaeidae                           	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Bombycoidea                           	Endromidae                            	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Bombycoidea                           	Lemoniidae                            	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Bombycoidea                           	Mirinidae                             	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Bombycoidea                           	Saturniidae                           	Agliinae                              	                                      	                                      	
Bombycoidea                           	Saturniidae                           	Saturniinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Bombycoidea                           	Sphingidae                            	Macroglossinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Bombycoidea                           	Sphingidae                            	Smerinthinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Bombycoidea                           	Sphingidae                            	Sphinginae                            	                                      	                                      	
Choreutoidea                          	Choreutidae                           	Choreutinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Choreutoidea                          	Choreutidae                           	Millierinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Copromorphoidea                       	Carposinidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Cossoidea                             	Cossidae                              	Cossinae                              	                                      	                                      	
Cossoidea                             	Cossidae                              	Zeuzerinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Drepanoidea                           	Drepanidae                            	Drepaninae                            	                                      	                                      	
Drepanoidea                           	Drepanidae                            	Thyatirinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Epermenioidea                         	Epermeniidae                          	Epermeniinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Epermenioidea                         	Epermeniidae                          	Ochromolopinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Eriocranioidea                        	Eriocraniidae                         	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Galacticoidea                         	Galacticidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Agonoxenidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Amphisbatidae                         	Amphisbatinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Autostichidae                         	Autostichinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Autostichidae                         	Holcopogoninae                        	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Autostichidae                         	Symmocinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Batrachedridae                        	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Blastobasidae                         	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Chimabachidae                         	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Coleophoridae                         	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Cosmopterigidae                       	Antequerinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Cosmopterigidae                       	Chrysopeleiinae                       	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Cosmopterigidae                       	Cosmopteriginae                       	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Deoclonidae                           	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Depressariidae                        	Cryptolechiinae                       	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Depressariidae                        	Depressariinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Elachistidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Ethmiidae                             	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Gelechiidae                           	Dichomeridinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Gelechiidae                           	Gelechiinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Gelechiidae                           	Pexicopiinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Lecithoceridae                        	Ceuthomadarinae                       	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Lecithoceridae                        	Lecithocerinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Lecithoceridae                        	Oditinae                              	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Momphidae                             	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Oecophoridae                          	Deuterogoniinae                       	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Oecophoridae                          	Oecophorinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Pterolonchidae                        	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Schistonoeidae                        	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Scythrididae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gelechioidea                          	Stathmopodidae                        	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Geometroidea                          	Geometridae                           	Alsophilinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Geometroidea                          	Geometridae                           	Archiearinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Geometroidea                          	Geometridae                           	Desmobathrinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Geometroidea                          	Geometridae                           	Ennominae                             	                                      	                                      	
Geometroidea                          	Geometridae                           	Geometrinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Geometroidea                          	Geometridae                           	Larentiinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Geometroidea                          	Geometridae                           	Orthostixinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Geometroidea                          	Geometridae                           	Sterrhinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Geometroidea                          	Uraniidae                             	Epipleminae                           	                                      	                                      	
Gracillarioidea                       	Bucculatricidae                       	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gracillarioidea                       	Douglasiidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Gracillarioidea                       	Gracillariidae                        	Gracillariinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Gracillarioidea                       	Gracillariidae                        	Lithocolletinae                       	                                      	                                      	
Gracillarioidea                       	Gracillariidae                        	Phyllocnistinae                       	                                      	                                      	
Gracillarioidea                       	Roeslerstammiidae                     	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Hepialoidea                           	Hepialidae                            	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Hesperioidea                          	Hesperiidae                           	Hesperiinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Hesperioidea                          	Hesperiidae                           	Heteropterinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Hesperioidea                          	Hesperiidae                           	Pyrginae                              	                                      	                                      	
Incurvarioidea                        	Adelidae                              	Adelinae                              	                                      	                                      	
Incurvarioidea                        	Adelidae                              	Nematopogoninae                       	                                      	                                      	
Incurvarioidea                        	Crinopterygidae                       	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Incurvarioidea                        	Heliozelidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Incurvarioidea                        	Incurvariidae                         	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Incurvarioidea                        	Prodoxidae                            	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Lasiocampoidea                        	Lasiocampidae                         	Chondrosteginae                       	                                      	                                      	
Lasiocampoidea                        	Lasiocampidae                         	Lasiocampinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Lasiocampoidea                        	Lasiocampidae                         	Malacosominae                         	                                      	                                      	
Lasiocampoidea                        	Lasiocampidae                         	Pinarinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Lasiocampoidea                        	Lasiocampidae                         	Poecilocampinae                       	                                      	                                      	
Micropterigoidea                      	Micropterigidae                       	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Nepticuloidea                         	Nepticulidae                          	Nepticulinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Nepticuloidea                         	Opostegidae                           	Oposteginae                           	                                      	                                      	
Nepticuloidea                         	Opostegidae                           	Opostegoidinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Arctiidae                             	Arctiinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Arctiidae                             	Lithosiinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Arctiidae                             	Syntominae                            	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Lymantriidae                          	Arctorninae                           	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Lymantriidae                          	Calliterinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Lymantriidae                          	Lymantrinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Lymantriidae                          	Nygmininae                            	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Lymantriidae                          	Orgyinae                              	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Acontiinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Acronictinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Aedeiinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Amphipyrinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Bagisarinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Bryophilinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Calpinae                              	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Catocalinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Condicinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Cuculliinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Dilobinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Eublemminae                           	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Eustrotiinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Euteliinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Hadeninae                             	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Heliothinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Herminiinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Hypeninae                             	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Micronoctuinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Noctuinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Pantheinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Plusiinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Raphiinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Rivulinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Strepsimaninae                        	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Noctuidae                             	Tytinae                               	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Nolidae                               	Chloephorinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Nolidae                               	Eariadinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Nolidae                               	Nolinae                               	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Notodontidae                          	Notodontinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Notodontidae                          	Phalerinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Notodontidae                          	Ptilodoninae                          	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Notodontidae                          	Pygaerinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Notodontidae                          	Stauropinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Noctuoidea                            	Thaumetopoeidae                       	Thaumetopoeinae                       	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Lycaenidae                            	Lycaeninae                            	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Lycaenidae                            	Riodininae                            	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Nymphalidae                           	Apaturinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Nymphalidae                           	Charaxinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Nymphalidae                           	Danainae                              	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Nymphalidae                           	Heliconiinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Nymphalidae                           	Libytheinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Nymphalidae                           	Limenitidinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Nymphalidae                           	Melitaeinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Nymphalidae                           	Nymphalinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Nymphalidae                           	Satyrinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Papilionidae                          	Papilioninae                          	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Papilionidae                          	Parnassiinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Pieridae                              	Coliadinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Pieridae                              	Dismorphiinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Papilionoidea                         	Pieridae                              	Pierinae                              	                                      	                                      	
Pterophoroidea                        	Pterophoridae                         	Agdistinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Pterophoroidea                        	Pterophoridae                         	Pterophorinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Acentropinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Cathariinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Crambinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Cybalomiinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Evergestinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Glaphyriinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Odontiinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Pyraustinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Schoenobiinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Scopariinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Crambidae                             	Spilomelinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Pyralidae                             	Epipaschiinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Pyralidae                             	Galleriinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Pyralidae                             	Phycitinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Pyraloidea                            	Pyralidae                             	Pyralinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Schreckensteinioidea                  	Schreckensteiniidae                   	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Sesioidea                             	Brachodidae                           	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Sesioidea                             	Castniidae                            	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Sesioidea                             	Sesiidae                              	Sesiinae                              	                                      	                                      	
Sesioidea                             	Sesiidae                              	Tinthiinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Thyridoidea                           	Thyrididae                            	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Eriocottidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Lypusidae                             	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Psychidae                             	Epichnopteryginae                     	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Psychidae                             	Naryciinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Psychidae                             	Oiketicinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Psychidae                             	Placodominae                          	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Psychidae                             	Psychinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Psychidae                             	Taleporiinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Psychidae                             	Typhoniinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Dryadaulinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Euplocaminae                          	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Hapsiferinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Hieroxestinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Meessiinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Myrmecozelinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Nemapogoninae                         	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Perissomasticinae                     	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Scardiinae                            	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Setomorphinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Stathmopolitinae                      	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Teichobiinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Tineoidea                             	Tineidae                              	Tineinae                              	                                      	                                      	
Tischerioidea                         	Tischeriidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Tortricoidea                          	Tortricidae                           	Chlidanotinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Tortricoidea                          	Tortricidae                           	Olethreutinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Tortricoidea                          	Tortricidae                           	Tortricinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Urodoidea                             	Urodidae                              	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Acrolepiidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Bedelliidae                           	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Glyphipterigidae                      	Glyphipteriginae                      	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Glyphipterigidae                      	Orthoteliinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Heliodinidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Lyonetiidae                           	Cemiostominae                         	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Lyonetiidae                           	Lyonetiinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Plutellidae                           	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Yponomeutidae                         	Argyresthiinae                        	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Yponomeutidae                         	Praydinae                             	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Yponomeutidae                         	Scythropiinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Yponomeutidae                         	Yponomeutinae                         	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Ypsolophidae                          	Ochsenheimeriinae                     	                                      	                                      	
Yponomeutoidea                        	Ypsolophidae                          	Ypsolophinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Zygaenoidea                           	Epipyropidae                          	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Zygaenoidea                           	Heterogynidae                         	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Zygaenoidea                           	Limacodidae                           	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Zygaenoidea                           	Somabrachyidae                        	                                      	                                      	                                      	
Zygaenoidea                           	Zygaenidae                            	Chalcosiinae                          	                                      	                                      	
Zygaenoidea                           	Zygaenidae                            	Procridinae                           	                                      	                                      	
Zygaenoidea                           	Zygaenidae                            	Zygaeninae                            	                                      	                                      	
** This is beautiful!  But I see it only has those taxa that occur in Europe. Sigh. It would probably be too long (and difficult to construct as a table?) if it included the global taxa, even if the subfamilies were relegated to the family pages. BTW, is there an easy way to make tables?
** Is there a preferred source for the systematic treatments, such as Kristensen, or Scoble ? Satyrium 14:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Classification according to [http://www.faunaeur.org/index.php Fauna Europaea]

message: i replaced the old picture with an FA-quality moth. enjoy.
--The Lizard Wizard 06:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: image

message: The article lists the number of lepidoptera species as 180,000. The website  claims to have 260,000 accepted names. TeunSpaans 22:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  number of species 

message: :Image:Grand paon de nuit.jpg If somebody feels like inserting it into the article... Ajor 12:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Image:Grand paon de nuit 2.jpg This one is even better... Ajor 12:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The id is Saturnia pyri (Family Saturnidae). In English called as the Giant Peacock Moth or the Giant Emperor Moth. Added to the article. AshLin 14:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nice picture

message: Should this description stay in list format of be rewritten in prose? If it's rewritten in prose, I think it should be a description of the adult insect, and the information about larvae and pupae should go to "Life cycle". Thoughts?  A little insignificant Giving thanks to all that is me 15:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that it should be writen in prose, but this a collaboration of AshLin, so maybe s/he should give an opinion. Bugboy52.4 | =-=  17:59, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He thinks that the characters may be kept as list or written as prose but not seperated. Ashwin in real life but am a FOSS enthusiast hence named AshLin by my friends! AshLin (talk) 16:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

text: KK, I but back the Distinguishing Characteristics for earwig I frogot xP. Any thought regarded as putting them into a paragraph form? Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  17:07, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding "Distinguishing Characteristics" 

message: Any regards about the structure of this article? I wasn't sure, so I based it a little on Ant. Any opinions? Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  17:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Lepidoptera is a really huge topic (hopefully someday it will make it to FA), so we should provide information as brief as possible. I think the ant format is the best choice. ZooFari 17:30, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So its good? Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  18:31, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I expanded a lot of sections, but it seems no one is helping :( There is a lot of work to be done. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  23:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Sign me up. Would you allow me 'Morphology & Physiology'. It needs to be concise. We again seem to be replicating the morphology/physiology articles. AshLin (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Sure, but try to use the entomology book for info, its a rely good book. 
Maybe a Little Insignificant can work with the Evolution section, and I'll do the rest. 
Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  20:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea of being assigned to sections. I was going to mention that earlier. I'll sign up for defense and predation. ZooFari 22:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  23:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. I'll do evolution then. Oh, and someone should include some info about their diet, etc. I didn't see anything about that when I looked earlier.  A little insignificant Giving thanks to all that is me 00:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

text: The Behavior section will include diet and stuff, but not as another sub heading. And maybe we the predation section should have something about moths and bats like the moths defense against bats. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  00:55, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do. I may work with the entire behavior section as a whole if I have time. ZooFari 01:02, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

text: A few comments: the defense section should perhaps be expanded as defensive and protective adaptations - since it needs to cover predators, parasites, pathogens, physical threats, cold, heat and dessication. Life-history adaptations such as diapause, slow growth as in Gynaephora, toxin sequestration, ant associations needs to be included. The diversity of life-styles needs to be covered rather than sticking to only the stereotypical lepidoptera- so things like aquatic lepidoptera and more generally the "microlepidoptera" need a bit more coverage and these need to be cited carefully without making generalizations that appear to apply to the entire group. Shyamal (talk) 04:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For some reason I doubt the reliability of "Enchantedlearning.com," but i'll leave that to the reviewer. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  20:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just laying out a format right now. I'll be adding details as soon as I get the basics. ZooFari 22:59, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure 

message: Almost there, guys! The article is almost in a good and stable state. A couple sections left before we can slack off for the holidays:
*Polymorphism, just a couple notes now, need to be expanded into beautiful butterflies sentences. We can probably use some info contained in other sections, so I don't think this needs much in the way of new research.
*Flight! Bugboy wrote a nice flight section in the Insect article, I'm thinking the section here should be a summary of the other one with Lepidoptera specifications.
*Communicado, which should be fun to write. Research and sources can be found on the internet, including this one (provided by someone else.)
*:For that matter, here's a general note: When looking for sources online, remember you might find a wider array of results by searching for "butterflies" or "moths" than you might by searching for "lepidoptera."
*Last is Relationship to people, which means researching and writing, which should be fun! Also, see the note about researching above.
Methinks we can work on this together, and if we can get this out of the way the sooner we can relax without having to take care of it after New Year's and all that. So what say you?  ALI nom nom 01:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to dedicate Saturday to finishing up most of the stuff. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  02:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's-a-get it together, peeps! 

message: References are important in order to bring up to Good Article status. With that in mind, there are a lot of refs that are not using cite templates, which I can convert, but some don't include page number and Chapter. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  16:25, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you include page number, would chapter be necessary? ZooFari 00:17, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Not a hundred percent sure on that, but put it just in case. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  02:45, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referencing 

message: I noticed we're constantly using "lepidopteran" for plural forms of lepidoptera, but the lead states "lepidopterans". Which one should it be? ZooFari 07:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree that is a problem: How do we refer to the species of the order in general? Do we say Lepidoptera species, Lepidopteran, or Lepidopterans? I think a consensus is in order; I think we should use Lepidoptera species and Lepidopterans... any other opinions? Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  12:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree on that. ZooFari  19:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So far as I am aware (and was tought) Lepidoptera is both singular and plural. Lepidopteran = of Lepidoptera (i.e. possesive noun) and should not be capital L unless at the start of a sentence. Hope this helps. HKmoths (talk) 04:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  lepidopteran vs lepidopterans 

message: The thorax section mentions some info on antennae. Shouldn't that be merged into the head section? ZooFari  19:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the whole point of adding that as a seperate paragraph was the hope that it would be expanded, but I let it up to the person who wanted to expand on that section to do so. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  19:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this source that maybe we could use to expand the thorax section and merge the antennae info afterwards. What do you think? ZooFari  19:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antennae 

message: We've made great progress! It looks like things are starting to get tidy. --ZooFari 23:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree we made progress but I feel we are just about half-way there. There's lots more to do. None of the sections is encyclopaedic enough as of yet. AshLin (talk) 04:47, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No finger-pointing, especially at oneself please. Wikipedia is not a slave-industry! Take your breaks, come back & work at your interest. WikiOgres are an important ethnic group in WikiLand! I have been adding desultory facts to Polymorphism. Feel free to work on it, especially on balanced polymorphism etc. Only remember that each phenomenon will require a more detailed article or stub to back it. I'll check out the Ru link. AshLin (talk) 06:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Almost done... 

message: There is strong sexual dimorphism in a lot (or all?) species of Bagworm moth. I made some species articles recently. Females are wingless and resemble larvae, while males look like typical moths (i.e. have wings). Might be usefull to add? Ruigeroeland (talk) 15:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead & add it as a an example of sexual dimorphism. It has one of the most contrasting differences. We'll rewrite for style & encyclopeadiac value later when adequate facts are filled. AshLin (talk) 04:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Something to add to sexual dimorphism?

message: Sorry for my extraordinarily long absence... but has anything been acomplished? I'll be getting back to it right now. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  16:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absent much? 

message: Nothing in this article about the associations between lepidopterans and plants? No feeding behaviour except in the section on humans? How am I supposed to do my homework!? :-P But seriously, a section collecting that sort of information would be helpful. --Danger (talk) 16:05, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feeding 

message: This article has been WikiProject Insects' current collaboration since December 2, 2009. I think it's probably time to move forward. I have looked over the article, and I can't see too many pressing issues. The references could do with tidying up (some works are repeated, albeit for different chapter; some have important details missing), and the prose could be tightened, but overall, it's not too far off the required standard. One substantive comment I have to make is that it seems strange to include the Viceroy-Monarch example under Batesian mimicry, only to admit that it's actually Müllerian mimicry. It would be better to find an unambiguous example of Batesian mimicry.
The place where most effort is needed, I think, is the ecology. There is a brief mention under "Distribution and diversity" of a general association with flowering plants, but I'm sure there must be much more that could be written. My advice is to expand on that, and then nominate the article at WP:GAN; the helpful reviewers there will let you know if anything else is amiss. --Stemonitis (talk) 10:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article content is still not complete imho. In addition, to what you pointed out, the morphology etc still needs improvement. The mimicry section is too large and I cannot guarantee that it accurately reflects the state of nknowledge. My problem is that NOT being a professional biologist but a fauji and an abhiyanta, I have to get hold of stuff, learn it, understand it, corelate it, place in context etc which makes it very slow and difficult. I began working on the External morphology of Lepidoptera so that I could summarise it for this article; the anatomy and physiology of Lepidoptera are still to be done. As External morphology of Lepidoptera has reached a better level than Lepidoptera, perhaps we could consider that first. AshLin (talk) 11:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I will be taking note of all that while I am working on the article. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  14:05, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The long road to GA status 

message: I started discussion on Talk:Lepidopterist Scientific29 (talk) 18:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging Lepidopterist into this article? 

message: The simple stuff.
*References that are bare or not using cite templets need to be fixed.
*Paragraphs that are missing references need some
*Typos
*Sentences that are unclear, or not understandable to readers that are not experienced in the subject.
The Complicated stuff.
*Internal morphology needs expanding
:*IMPORTANT: Some contradictory sources, does the corpora allata or the corpora cardiaca produce PTTH, or both? So far I put both
*Relationship to people can use expanding
*Another standing problem is that I'm not a hundred percent sure what information goes where. For example, The info about the eggs being made of chirion, should that be with the morphology? Or how caterpillars can sequester the toxins they eat from plants to deter predators, would that go in defense and predation? Or butterflies' mutual association with ants goes in ecology? or diapause in egg laying, should that go in the diapause section?
*Phylogeny  needs correcting and expanding
*Taxonomy
*to be continued...
Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  14:38, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last steps.. 

message: *The use of koinoboint and idiobiont in the parasitism is confusing - you should explain what these terms mean.
:Kionobiont was clarified by another scietific term, and I fixed the hidden note added by it. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  16:56, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: could you clarify that. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  17:08, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, basically what I mean is that the polymorphism section should only discuss the variation within a species. The final two paragraphs about mimicry are not about polymorphism and that's why I think they would be better dealt with in the ecology section. SmartSE (talk) 20:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the comment, the problem is that we need a reviewer and people to help me fix up what needs to be done, especialy during the reviewing process. Have you considered being the reviewer of the article? Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  17:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No probs, I'm afraid I won't be able to help further as I'm going to be busy IRL for a while. Good luck! SmartSE (talk) 20:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments from Smartse 

message: Insted of "le-pee-DOP-tə-rə", wouldn't the correct spelling be "le-pi-DOP-tə-rə"? Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-=  12:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

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message: The taxobox has an extensive caption, but the illustration to which it refers is missing. Jacob (talk) 15:07, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Illustration missing from taxobox

message: No mention in the article about the wing structure, the wing veination or wing patterns. These are useful points that enable identification of the many Lepidoptera species. Note that wing veination may take a numbering system or is based on the Comstock-Needham system (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect_wing) - four main veins (in Lepidoptera) arise from the wing base - Sc (subcostal vein), R (radial vein), M (medial vein) & Cu (cubital vein).  Wing pattern should focus on mapping out the names given to the edges, corners and regions of the wing, as well as pattern types (stigmata, fascia, streaks).
HKmoths (talk) 03:36, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wing structure / veination / pattern 

message: Nice article, it helps, but why such big paragraphs.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.102.84.111 (talk) 16:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good 

message: I started on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycaenidae and was trying to determine the taxonomy of butterflies for a research paper I’m editing.  I just wanted to know how butterflies are classified.  I also checked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossata in my attempt to find the suborder Rhopalocera.  But the butterfly page did not match the Lepidoptera page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidoptera which listed four suborders (including Glossata), none of which is Rhopalocera.  I’ll leave this to an entomologist to figure out, being an ecologist and cyperologist myself.  Someone needs to check out various butterfly pages and figure out who is what (suborders pages need to match other wikipages. Sedgehead (talk) 20:31, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suborders 

message: I have added an example of a butterfly causing crop damage. Thanks!
Ichooxu (talk) 01:52, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions

message: I have deleted external links that refer to non-english websites.  Why is there such little talk on such a major article? bpage (talk) 01:21, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Why have external links to non-english language lepidoptera websites?

message: I am very glad that an interest is being shown in this article.  At first glance, it seemed to me that no one had continued to improve it.  The edit that I did to the caption on a photo of roosting monarch butterflies is very specific to the western population of monarch butterflies but not to the population of eastern monarch butterflies. Each population overwinters in different places.  It is not accurate to assume that the photo represents the typical locale where monarchs overwinter.  Most monarchs overwinter in Mexico.  The photo of the roost in CA is representative of western monarch overwintering behavior, but not representative of all monarchs overwintering.  My edit was to clarify.  I make a lot of typos, but this wasn't one of them.  PLEASE, please, feel free to continue to review and edit this article because I think that it needs it. I also invite you to review and edit any of the other insect related articles that I work on.  There seems to be such little activity in the lepidoptera portal.  Best Regards to You. bpage (talk) 22:31, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Western population of the monarch butterfly

message: This article is too big and not specific. It may be well written and has some excellent and valuable contributions, but it is covering several topics, not just the order Lepidoptera. Unfortunately it should be a fail, and if it is a pass, then the endorsement may prevent improvement.
I was looking for an article on caterpillar anatomy and morphology and couldn't find one, so was in the progress of starting one. This title should be about Lepidoptera order (with a taxobox) and list the suborders and families. It is not consistent with other order articles.
The anatomy and morphology sections should be split off into a separate article. Ecology and relationship to people is yet another topic. There should be no prizes for having the biggest article!
 SurreyJohn   (Talk) 09:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Too Big and Not Specific

message: Hi, I'm new here. I was looking at the diagram in the Phylogeny section, and I'm not sure it is right. It looks to me like the coloured band representing the Angiosperm Radiation is in the wrong place. The comment beneath the diagram says this occurred between 130 and 95 Mya, but that's not what the diagram shows. I have also checked the Labandeira article and the Encyclopedia of Insects (both quoted as sources of the diagram) and they are different from this diagram and show this band with the correct time period. Can you double-check this yourself and see what you think? Regards Piano beat (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Error in the phylogeny diagram

message: I don't know where to put this comment so I'll put it here, though I think it's more appropriate for the individual plant pages and not this page as it's not specifically about this page.
I've found a lot of pages on Wikipedia about plants with a 1-liner comment about Lepidopteras eating the plant that the Wikipedia page describes.  This is very interesting and all, but why is it so important that we all know what Leipdopteras eat?  Is it more important that we know that these pre-pupal butterflies eat so many different plants and not, say, deer, rabbits, slugs, or even humans eat these plants too?
Just wondering why these animals were picked out over other animals that eat the plant that the Wikipedia page describes, over all animals that could prey on the plants.  Granted I think a good effort is placed on fungi/bacterium that eat these plants ("Plant Diseases").
:Although your comment is understandable, it is also understandable that a good reason (presumption) these plants you mentioned are known anyway, is because of their relation to lepidoptera as host-plants, and this might be why anyone created a page for them in the first place. To put it shortly, people who know about cheetahs will generally know about gazelles - this is not to justify the paltry information on many stub articles, but it might answer your question, in case it wasn't rhetorical. Snjón (talk) 21:48, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Hungry little beasties, poor little plants

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