Talk:Capoeira toques

message: 138.163.160.43, I think I see what you're trying to get at with your changes to the Idalina notation, but currently you have 13 characters in the first measure and 15 in the second. As each character other than the "|" is supposed to represent one eighth note, there should only be 8 characters before the "|" and 8 after. To represent the slur you're talking about just put "v-" which means hit an open note and then hammer the dobrão on the next note. Focomoso 03:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Idalina

message: The toque for Miudinho isn't quite right. it should be o xx o x o xx o but I don't know how to make the image. You can hear this at this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTJotlscfME
LoboDeOuro (talk) 07:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Miudinho

message: I replaced the ascii text with standard musical notation as per requests.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmckaskle (talk • contribs) 18:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate the attempt here, but this is not standard musical notation. Do you have a source that uses a half note for an open sound and a quarter note for a closed sound? The 'x' for the un-pitched sound is used often, but any musician looking this notation can tell you that it is not standard. Also, why remove the ascii from the toques you don't have notation for? Focomoso (talk) 06:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are correct that is not standard notation in the strict sense. The notation is treated more as percussion notation, which has much more flexibility in usage. The "x" is common in both percussion notation and standard music notation. Classical guitar notation, for example, indicated percussive strikes on the strings or body of the guitar with that notation. That usage is very definitely standard.  The timeline underneath is also standard percussion notation, but typically for hand percussion. As I mentioned in the Talk section of the capoeira music article, there is no standard for Berimbau notation. Use of the half note to indicate an open note represents the mouth of the berimbau being open and unobstructed, I removed the ascii versions of each toque and replaced them with the "standard notation" version but it appears the user named "mostly harmless" deleted them January 15th 2008 for an unkown reason without reverting the toques ascii format or discussion on the topic.Jmckaskle (talk) 20:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I refer any one interested to the following Wikipedia articles: Musical notation, Percussion notation, Time unit box system. 168.38.76.70 (talk) 16:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Toque image files have been reinstatedJmckaskle (talk) 00:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Standard Notation" 

message: Added Idalina toque Jmckaskle 21:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Idalina 

message: This article was nominated for deletion here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Capoeira_toques
The revisions that kept the article from deletion were the removal of the toques below the notation key and the addition of some sources. I feel that merely stating the toques exist does not go far in understanding them. Just as in the article on Integration in calculus shows derivation of the different concepts, how to integrate using all the different methods of integration, etc. Sources are definitely import and I'll try to hunt them down. If anyone feels the need to remove the toque transcriptions, then I suggest including them in Talk so wikipedia users may still have a reference available to them. Jmckaskle (talk) 18:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Deletion 

message: I'd love to record some examples of some of these toques, as I think it would help improve the article a lot, but I have no experience adding media to wikipedia. Is there anyone out there who could point me in the right direction? Richard Jackson (talk) 11:47, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio examples 

message: As far as I can see there is a mistake in the 5th Angola variation since it has 9 eighths in the first bar.
I don't know what should be written there, so I can't fix it myself...
B2NVB2 (talk) 20:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th & 5th Angola toques 

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