Talk:Eric Clapton/Archive 1

message: I think it might make sense to redirect "Slowhand" to this article, as opposed to the album of the same name. I would however like to get some feedback from others.
Don 20:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible redirect

message: I added info on Clapton's guest appearence with Bobby Whitlock in 2003, added info on Radle's death, and changed the sources for the live material on the Goodbye album. (Heteren 11:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Derek and the Dominos

message: My first time trying to post a comment.Appologies for being ignorant to use not-user-friendly-rules of wikipedia:
1)The name of Ganjavi's story is "Layli and Majnoon",[Layli and the madman(madness due to love)], so reference to Layla being taken from Ganjavi by Eric Clapton is incorrect.
2)Ganjavi ( meaning: from Ganje) is considered an Iranian poet/writer.All his works are in Farsi language.
4)Ganje was a place in today's Azarbayejan,yet part of Iranian at the time. 
5)Wheather Nezami Ganjavi should be considered as an Azarbayejani artist is open to discussion.See Turkish people claiming that Molana Jalal Edin Roomi(listen to his poems as recorded by Maddona), is also Turkish. Yet at his time, today's Turkey was part of Iran.
Fm1328 Fm1328 19:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Layla

message: In the section "Bad Luck Clapton" it says "It resulted in the break-up of his marriage.".
# What resulted in the break-up ? The success of "Tears In Heaven", his son's death or the tragedies that struck him in the 90's ?
# Marriage to whom ?
Jay 09:45, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the line since 1. Clapton and Lori Del Santo were neved married. 2. They were already separated at the time of their son's death, so the death had nothing to do with the separation. The separation was due to other reasons. . Jay 09:52, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriage Breakup

message: Please, can you explain to me why the 'Backtracking' Album is not in all officials Clapton discography ? Thanks --Le mollusque 09:54, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Question about Backtracking Album

message: The wording of the piece that identifies EC to readers as one of the best, the best, premier, maharajah, etc. is tricky. I've removed the words "by many", as that really doesn't add anything, besides being an inexcusable use of weasel terms. What is ideal is a quote or something, such as one I remember from Snopes saying that Clapton had reigned unchallenged as the world's premier guitarist for well over thirty years. Alternately, we can use the system that the pages on the Telecaster, Stratocaster, and Les Paul use, saying "one of the best along with..." and naming the others. I don't think there are really any others that can lay claim to the title; Duane Allman, Jimi Hendrix, and Stevie Ray Vaughan have tragically died. Jimmy Page has never really broadened out or had a solo career and doesn't do much anymore, three issues that operate for Eddie Van Halen as well. This entire post, of course, is POV, though, and such reasoning has no place in a encyclopedia article. We need to work something out. Deltabeignet 23:19, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that weasel words aren't supposed to be used, but I personally think they are OK in a case like this. If you state that someone is the best, then that would be a POV. It seems OK to me to say "many people consider him the best". Of course, in this case you can report the poll as a fact, but often you don't have something like that. Bubba73 04:45, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Peacock v. weasel, etc

message: Tears In Heaven was nominated for a Grammy (and a Golden Globe and MTV Music Award) but didn't win. Al 20:36, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tears In Heaven

message: Isn't "dubious" rankings a little biased? It seems out of place to question the reliability of Rolling Stone Magazine's rankings of guitarists, as we should let the reader decide for himself as to the journalistic/musical credibility.
:I happen to agree that RS "lists" are dubious as far as citations of notability, but I also agree that it makes no sense to make a reference and call it "dubious" at the same time, especially in the lead paragraph. What I'd suggest is that we move the RS "ranking" to the Trivia section, and try to come up with some neutral way to establish Clapton's notability and esteem in the ranks of guitarists. What say? Jgm 16:15, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if you move the the RS bit to trivia you still need to drop the word "dubious" as it's POV. See my remarks above. CambridgeBayWeather 16:20, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Let me take a shot at it and see what you think. Jgm 16:45, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "dubious" rankings?

message: If you visit the Clapton page, you're automatically redirected to the page about Upper Clapton. I'd be willing to bet that more people would be looking for this page than that one, but it seems to be not worth making a disambig page for only 2 subjects. Any thoughts? - MightyMoose22 07:31, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disambiguated it.There's nothing inherently wrong with a two-subject disambig, though I added Lower Clapton as well. Deltabeignet 00:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cool. Thanks. - MightyMoose22 08:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Clapton Redirect

message: Didn't he play for Roger Waters on tour in the late '80s? Or maybe Roger Waters played for him but I don't see him in the band section. Then again maybe I'm completely wrong but I remember it from somewhere.
:Clapton played for Waters on a tour, but this does not constitute joining his band. The 'band members' section is more for permanent (or intended long term) members such as his touring band; not guest spots, session work, etc. - Slow Graffiti 04:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Roger Waters

message: One thing that doesn't come out in the article is Clapton's perfectionism and resulting modesty about his own musicianship. The nickname "Slowhand" was propagated by Clapton himself. Some of the album titles like "Journeyman" and "Reptile" seem to be slightly taking the piss out of himself. I heard a radio interview where he said that he made so many mistakes on the Unplugged session that he didn't want the album to be released and that, in any case, only a few devotees would buy it. (At the time of the interview it had sold 15 million copies.) This all fits with his extreme discomfort with superstar status and the "Clapton is God" era. Bluewave 17:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Perfectionist

message: Since the main image will soon be deleted due to copyright problems, I thought I should try to find a new one. I really like http://www.drjazz.ch/album/bilder/CLAPTON31.JPG even though it is B&W. I know we have :Image:Eclapton cardiff.jpg, but honestly, it doesn't look very flattering, and you can't really see his face well. I contacted the site's webmaster seeking permission, I hope we get it. Just thought I'd throw this out here so everyone knows. -Greg Asche (talk) 03:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Main image

message: I have read from numerous online sources that it was Jimmie Vaughan that surrendered his seat to Stevie Ray Vaughan on the ill fated helicopter. I edited the Clapton page to this effect, but the changes have been deleted. Hopefully the 'deleter' can provide some evidence to support his assertion?
Can you provide sources to support yours? -Greg Asche (talk) 00:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way, it's between the Vaughans and has little to do with Clapton. You can list 73 people who passed up that seat if you want to, but the only bit that's relevant to this article about Clapton is that he was one of them. - MightyMoose22 01:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vaughan Helicopter

message: The article describes him as British/Canadian. I know he had a Canadian father (whom he never met) but, to me, "British/Canadian" implies that he has dual nationality: AFAIK that is not the case. Bluewave 16:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: British Canadian

message: I don't think that comments against massive immigration and encouraging to vote on Enoch Powell are "ill-advised". And that is what is written in the article. I understand that some people might dislike him, but to be fair you can't make comments like that. Ask French or Dutch what they think about massive immigration now...
Brief reply
*In England, we don't vote "on" people. We vote for or against them. Whether the French or Dutch like immigration in 2006 is nothing to do with what Enoch Powell and Eric Clapton said in 1968 and 1976. The contemporary situation should not be used to justify things done long ago. Your remarks make it look as the the historical record is being moulded to suit your current political opinions.
:I must say that I am not entirely happy with Clapton being defined such.  Forgetting Powell for a second, nothing Clapton could seriously be construed as racist; the man said that the country could become overcrowded... just how is that racist?  Also; if we are going to be pedantic... I don't believe you can "vote against" candidates either!!--Zoso Jade 22:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think a dispute if Enoch Powell is racist or not, and if somebody who supports / favors him over other is as well, isn't really the main purpose of the Clapton page. However, the wording in the article does not say it is wrong to vote for Enoch Powell, but that at the time it was controversial, which it undoubtedly was. Poeloq 22:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What is wrong with voting on Enoch Powell?

message: Once while playing a Cream concert, he suddenly stopped playing, and neither Ginger Baker nor Jack Bruce noticed. 
That quote although being on the page for a long time seems to be inaccurate or strangely put especially for a trivia page. In most bands people notice if the lead guitarist stops playing especially in a three a man band and when your guitarist is Eric Clapton. I think it just might be very well disguised vandalism to discredit Clapton but if someone can back it up then fine I'll go along with it. -- Patman2648 15:47 1 February 2006
:Taken from the presentation booklet included with Those Were The Days (page 28)...
"The last year became extremely painful for me," offers Baker. "When we first went out, Eric and Jack had one Marshall speaker cabinet each. Then it became a stack, then a double stack, and finally a triple stack. I was the poor bastard stuck in the middle of these incredible noise making things. Finally they started to mike my drums because people were coming up to me and saying that the only time they heard my drums was during the solo. It was ridiculous. I used to get back to the hotel and my ears were roaring. That one year damaged my hearing. The incredible volume was one of the things which destroyed Cream. Playing that loud had nothing to do with the music. There was, in fact, one gig where Eric and I stopped playing for two choruses. Jack didn't even know. Standing in front of his triple stack of Marshalls, he was making so much noise that he couldn't tell if we were playing or not."
::- MightyMoose22 01:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have that problem too, eh? Probably most of us who bother to ask unusual questions strike that from time to time. You're never alone in Wikipedia. JackofOz 05:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we're all in the same boat when it comes to that, and it's true, you are never alone when you're in a boat with more than 850,000 other Wikipedians. :) - MightyMoose22 10:19, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Can anyone verify?

message: I seem to recall that he is the only musician to contribute a major instrumental section to a Beatles album...
Can someone confirm? SteelyDave 02:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Beatles

message: I have edited the start of the "Controversy & Tragedy" section which stated that Clapton's career suffered "damage" from his remarks on UK immigration as I have not seen any evidence of this "damage". Did people stop buying his records or attending his concerts? Did he find it difficult to get work in the UK? Did other artists criticise him personally? --Thoughtcat 13:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Damage" to career by political views

message: Nothing about Clapton being a pederast? Maybe a little NPOV. --24.131.209.132 02:14, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe because he isn't and never has been? You should either withdraw this allegation immediately or provide concrete evidence for your suspicions. --Thoughtcat 07:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Too negative for such a "god"?

message: Does anyone else feel that the leading picture doesn't accurately represent Clapton? -- Krash (Talk) 14:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not particularly fond of any of the pictures currently in the article. I mean, they're nice pictures and I'm not saying they shouldn't be included in the article somewhere, but I feel the main image should be one of Clapton with beard circa 1970s/80s, as seen in the artwork for his eponymous album & August and in Tommy. I think it's his most recognisable/iconic look. It's how I always picture him, at least. - MightyMoose22 15:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can agree with all of that. I would suggest using the August picture as the main image, however it's rather small and the resolution is bad. And you're quite right; that is really his iconic look. I'm not an expert on finding fair-use/public-domain images so I'm really only in a position to contribute opinions at this point. -- Krash (Talk) 17:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, me too. But that's what talk pages are for. ;) - MightyMoose22 19:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mmm, when I added the picture I was thinking a similar thing. You must admit it is an awfully cool picture of Clapton with his SG and little afro. I'm up for moving that down and replacing that Cream album image with that one, and finding a a big version of the August album (or something of similar nature) and placing it as the main image. Hacmid
Not bad. Though his hand's kind of obscuring his face. Everyone's a critic. Any information on the date of that picture? -- Krash (Talk) 15:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree that an older picture would be best, one during the sixties or seventies especially from 68-71 when he was probably most popular or most prominent in culture, I'll see if I can put up an older picture up since we've clearly reached a concensus here that an older picture not a new one would be best. - Patman2648 07:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recently added picture

message: If this article were to put in citations (far more than it does now), I can easily see it becoming a featured article. Unfortunately, I don't see a single in-line citation... Nrbelex (talk) 03:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote from Clapton's Early Days all the way to Full Throttle Career so I might be able to find the sources I used but I wrote it in Sept. 2005, 8 months ago and most of the information was just from my own knowledge which was all factually based and is verifiable which prevents the material from being from Wikipedia:No Original Research. I'll look into the materials I used or just re-write parts of it that could be linked to sources but keep bulk of the info. Interesting note, the song Layla by Clapton when in D&Ds was a featured article back on October 23 so Clapton does have a featured article history. Cheers - Patman2648 05:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured Article if well cited

message: Since when? It's "John Mayall's Bluesbreakers".Vera, Chuck & Dave 22:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen both used.  I think they can be used interchangably; it's still the same group. Cubs Fan 16:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: John Mayall AND THE Bluesbreakers?

message: "Eric Clapton was born in Ripley, Surrey, England as the illegitimate son of 16-year-old Patricia Molly Clapton and Edward Walter Fryer..."
How do you modernise that?
:I'm not sure, perhaps by using the term "out of wedlock"? PerDaniel 16:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or, it you want to go by the original definition of the the word "bastard".
Illegitimate is the polite word in current British English usage - it seems the best word to use here.  Out of wedlock is more "pleasant" but archaic.  Bastard is concise and accurate but, sadly, extremely offensive because of its other uses.
Really?  Illegitimate is no longer polite here in the US.  But, anyway, it's been changed to "unwed parents" which I think is accurate without being offensive or awkward. 71.234.195.253 19:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: why is it mentioned at all? who cares?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 18:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Illegitimate son"

message: I understood that finding the identity of his father was very important and that it was only quite recently that Clapton had tracked him down...and discovered a Canadian half-sister. A newspaper account said something to the effect that Clapton was delighted to discover that his father had been a womanising musician. I couldn't find anything about this in the article: anyone have any details? Bluewave 11:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an article here by the journalist who first identified Clapton's father - undated, but the reference to Pilgrim puts it in 1998. --Thoughtcat 06:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Search for his father

message: PBS http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/cream/ states record sales of 35 million not 15 million, as stated in this article.
Thanks for researching that, I originally put in the 15 million because I got it from a Rolling Stone article but the 35 is also well documented so either one is acceptable. - Patman2648 07:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cream Record Sales

message: The girl on the cover of the album "Blind Faith" is described as "prepubescent" in this article. I do not think that this correct, as the girl clearly has breasts, and therefore has entered puberty. In the article about Blind Faith she is described as "young" which I think is much better. PerDaniel 16:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about the mix up, I wrote both the Blind Faith section on the Clapton page first and used prepubescent because that was the word that the Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll gave but then later on when I wrote the Blind Faith article I tried to vary up the info from this one with new info and changed some sentences around to avoid duplicates. But anyways the original Rolling Stone article writes: "It's jacket, featuring a prepubescent nude girl, was deemed controversial in the U.S. and ...." Either way, prepubescent or young girl is fine with me, I just wanted to clarify the situation. Thanks - Patman2648 05:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "prepubescent" or "young"?

message: Note: This article has a small number of in-line citations for an article of its size and subject content. Currently it would not pass criteria 2b.
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thread_title: GA Re-Review and In-line citations

message: I have removed EC from the alumni of the universities of Kingston and Westminster. He studied stained glass window designing briefly at Kingston technical college in the early 60s but that was years before it became a university, and he never took a degree in that or any subject as far as I'm aware. I've also never heard of him attending the University of Westminster. In any case there is no mention anywhere in the article that he attended either institution. --Thoughtcat 09:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An alumnus is specifically a former student, not a graduate, so the Kingston reference is probably tenable - I looked at that before. I don't think it's important, though. -- Ian Dalziel 11:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I emailed Kingston University's alumni department and got a reply on 11th December 2005 from Anita Gupta, Media & PR Manager, saying the following: "I've checked our records because we did have a similar inquiry a couple of years ago when a local paper thought Eric Clapton had failed or was thrown off his course. This was not, in fact, the case. Eric Clapton completed a one-year foundation art course in 1962 at the Kingston College of Art, one of the forerunners to Kingston Polytechnic (which then became Kingston University in 1992). He did not go on to undertake an art degree at Kingston. I'm not sure where the stained glass window design came from but on a foundation art course, students do experience a number of different art techniques." Article updated accordingly. --Thoughtcat 09:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Universities

message: This article is being reviewed at WP:GA/R for possible delisting of its Good article status. Teemu08 18:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:GA/R|Good article Review]] of GA status

message: ===Eric Clapton===
:result:Delist 4-1
Badly fails criteria 2a: only 3 inline cites in the entire article excluding the trivia section that should be removed per WP:TRIVIA. In September '06, a user posted a message on the page saying that the article needed to be cited, but apparently didn't return. Also, the lead is pretty short considering he's one of the most influential guitarists of all time, too many EL's that don't link to official sites, and a pair of images lack fair use rationales  . Teemu08 18:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, though the second image does cite the source at least. Delist. Homestarmy 19:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Insufficient citations - delist. LuciferMorgan 00:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Delist as per above. Tarret 21:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Well then, let's look at a small example of how the article is written: "Although Cream was hailed as one of the greatest groups of its day, and the adulation of Clapton as guitar hero reached new heights, the band was destined to be short-lived.". Hailed by whom, adulated by whom, where is the cite for the vast consensus of sources referring to him a "guitar hero" specifically, (as that would be the only likely justification for this POV) what does "new heights" mean in encyclopedic terms, and why is the word destined used when a more neutral and less dramatic word could be used? I maintain my delist vote, the area of the article this one sentence is in has large problems with WP:WEASEL like this and dramatic language. Homestarmy 13:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't believe you're serious. Cream WAS hailed as one of the greatest bands of its day, Clapton WAS hailed as a "guitar hero", and we now know the band WAS destined to be short-lived. What sort of proof do you want - the names of all the people who bought the records and went to the concerts? As for "destined" being "dramatic language", you need to get out more, old bean! --Thoughtcat 14:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reason why article was delisted as GA

message: :result:Delist 4-1
Badly fails criteria 2a: only 3 inline cites in the entire article excluding the trivia section that should be removed per WP:TRIVIA. In September '06, a user posted a message on the page saying that the article needed to be cited, but apparently didn't return. Also, the lead is pretty short considering he's one of the most influential guitarists of all time, too many EL's that don't link to official sites, and a pair of images lack fair use rationales  . Teemu08 18:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, though the second image does cite the source at least. Delist. Homestarmy 19:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Insufficient citations - delist. LuciferMorgan 00:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Delist as per above. Tarret 21:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Well then, let's look at a small example of how the article is written: "Although Cream was hailed as one of the greatest groups of its day, and the adulation of Clapton as guitar hero reached new heights, the band was destined to be short-lived.". Hailed by whom, adulated by whom, where is the cite for the vast consensus of sources referring to him a "guitar hero" specifically, (as that would be the only likely justification for this POV) what does "new heights" mean in encyclopedic terms, and why is the word destined used when a more neutral and less dramatic word could be used? I maintain my delist vote, the area of the article this one sentence is in has large problems with WP:WEASEL like this and dramatic language. Homestarmy 13:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't believe you're serious. Cream WAS hailed as one of the greatest bands of its day, Clapton WAS hailed as a "guitar hero", and we now know the band WAS destined to be short-lived. What sort of proof do you want - the names of all the people who bought the records and went to the concerts? As for "destined" being "dramatic language", you need to get out more, old bean! --Thoughtcat 14:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Eric Clapton]]

message: Is it just me, or does the mention of Clapton's collaboration with John Mayer reek of ass-kissing? Not Mayer kissing Clapton's ass, but a Mayer fan sucking up to Mayer: "Sounds as if it could have been written by Clapton himself." Seems excessive. I know this isn't really the place for it, but John Mayer isn't even close to being on the plane that Clapton is. He's a good guitarist, probably one of the best to surface in recent years, but his music is positively boring. I don't think the article should sound like an over-excited bubblegum-pop fan penned it hoping that John Mayer would read it someday. -Notahippie76
I'm brand-new to Wikipedia, and due to that fact, I am not ready to perform the edit myself to a sentence that is obviously in error on the Eric Clapton page, in the section 'Clapton's Early Years.'
It is obviously in error, and possibly "nonsense" to state that Clapton was "...trying to emulate exactly black blues musicians such as Big Bill Broonzy, Lionel Hampton, and Stan Kenton."
While I think it is correct to state the influence of Broonzy; Lionel Hampton was, even according to Wikipedia, a great innovator and lifelong jazz vibraphonist. He was also very proficient on the drum set. While Stan Kenton was highly original, he was neither a black nor a blues musician, but composed and perfomed on piano in the world of highly modernistic big band jazz, with a particular emphasis on complex harmony and Afro-Cuban rhythms.
While blues is a direct ancestor of the jazz form that has had a seminal influence on jazz; and been absorbed or is sometimes incorporated whole and performed alongside more complex or modern jazz, no one with the barest knowledge of these two innovative pioneers would be so completely mistaken as to regard either Kenton or Hampton as more than incidentally or occasionally a bluesman.
A cursory look at the back issues of Downbeat magazine would prove as much, but I don't have the pertinent issues at hand.
:Absolutely right to comment that Lionel Hampton and Stan Kenton weren't bluesmen, and that Kenton wasn't even black.  I read an interview with Clapton in downbeat where he said he was influenced by Thelonious Monk and (I think) Charlie Parker, but not having the mag to hand I can't cite it.  I don't know where that Hampton/Kenton thing is coming from.  It should be deleted and replaced with a sourced reference to who exactly Clapton was trying to copy when he started playing.  Lexo 15:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: John Mayer

message: Eric played on the philadelphia portion of live aid and it doesn't seem to be mentioned here, maybe it should. 
also he had notable band members; 
phil collins (already mentioned as playing drums) and Donald "Duck" dunn (bass) from Booker T and the Mg's, i assume he was in erics band in 1985 (supposedly he was touring america). the band is mentioned here http://liveaid.free.fr/rewind/mtv/pages/078ericclapton.html
i dont want to sound lazy but im a wiki newb and dont really know how to add a new bit to the original article so id be happy if somone could mention somthing
thx Samba. 82.152.212.125 10:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live aid (and band members) 

message: Guitarist Infobox is now updated to Infobox Musical Artist. - B.C.Schmerker 04:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Guitarist project box is the proper box and ha been in place for a long time. 156.34.209.240 21:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox update 

message: There is a recent interview with Clapton's daughter Ruth here 
I think it could reasonably be linked to (as a footnote/reference) in the 'Tragedy again' section, but am unsure how to do this. Can someone help?Snowbunni 10:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Secret' Daughter Ruth