Talk:Plano Collor

message: :Iam very sorry abt that -- you ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG AGAIN!!!!!
:http://www.brasilescola.com/historiab/fernando-collor.htm
:Find yr self a DOCTOR! 
:Um dia depois de assumir a Presidência, Collor anunciou uma série de medidas que visavam reorganizar a economia nacional. Elaborado pela equipe da ministra Zélia Cardoso de Mello, o Plano Brasil Novo, mais conhecido como Plano Collor, determinou:
:a extinção do cruzado novo e a volta do cruzeiro como moeda nacional;
:o bloqueio, por dezoito meses, dos depósitos em contas correntes e cadernetas de poupança que ultrapassassem os 50 000 cruzados :novos;
:o congelamento de preços e salários;
:o fim de subsídios e incentivos fiscais;
:o lançamento do Programa Nacional de Desestatização;
:a extinção de vários órgãos do governo, entre eles: Instituto do Açúcar e do Álcool, Instituto Brasileiro do Café, Superintendência :do Desenvolvimento do Centro-Oeste, Departamento Nacional de Obras contra a Seca (DNOCS).
I:móveis, veículos e aviões do governo foram colocados à venda.
~:Os objetivos do plano eram: enxugar a máquina administrativa do Estado, acabar com a inflação e modernizar a economia. Sem dúvida, as medidas causaram grande impacto e afetaram a vida da população em geral, dos trabalhadores aos empresários. Porém, os resulta.....
:Ludovicapipa yes? 18:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''YOU LOOSE AGAIN'''!!!!!!!!!

message: :Plan Collor is an economic plan. The subtitle "The Plan" only mentions political issues. Ludovicapipa yes? 14:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for commet

message: :As you can see here, he agrees that Color ended hyperinflation []
:"It is correct (and indeed sourced) to say that Collor ended hyperinflation, but even then his inflation rates were no picnic and most of his reforms failed (see here)."
:But later he deleted the word "END" (of hyperinflation). Ludovicapipa yes? 14:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Carefull with his request!

message: :As you can see here, he agrees that Color ended hyperinflation []
:"It is correct (and indeed sourced) to say that Collor ended hyperinflation, but even then his inflation rates were no picnic and most of his reforms failed (see here)."
:But later he deleted the word "END" (of hyperinflation). Ludovicapipa yes? 14:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kiefer, if you'd like me to reply to any of these issues here, I will. Otherwise, I'm addressing them on their respective talk pages. Thanks!--Dali-Llama 15:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Carefull with his request!

message: :"Well, we already established she didn't end hyperinflation in Fernando Collor de Mello, so we can nix that."
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Z%C3%A9lia_Cardoso_de_Mello Ludovicapipa yes? 15:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another link

message: Third opinion 
Ok, the article seems a bit messy at the moment.
*The last two paragraphs in the lead seem somewhat redundant. A few sentences have been simply repeated.
*Suggestion for the economic/political emphasis >> split the section into two subsection, called “Economical aspects” and “Political impact”, and make them approximately equivalent in size. Sparks1979 18:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Economical x political aspects

message: I have to be honest in saying that I have a lot more experience with economics than I've purported to have. I didn't want it to affect the discussion, since Wikipedia does not (and should not) defer to credentials. I tried my best to argue things based off of policy to keep it NPOV and not inflame the Ludovica's personal attacks, but it became clear that opinion and POV were the only things Ludovica understood. Saying that Collor ended hyperinflation and then it came back from the dead was the last straw that broke the camel's back (also known as "a última gota d'água"). I swear I heard Mário Henrique Simonsen rolling over in his grave. After seeing Sparks' great work in Law enforcement in Brazil, a subject where he clearly knows his stuff, I felt compelled to act. 
This is what I meant when I talked about an article that explains policy through facts, not use opinion for the sole purpose of apportioning credit.
The sources range from good old Bresser to the unimpeachable IPEA to the random college professor.  It's important to mention that these are not being sourced for their opinion. The few instances where it was needed to make a point (IE:Why the plan failed), I used multiple sources who used quantitative data to prove their points. Anyways, let me know what you think. I'm pretty sure I covered the points of compromise, but I may have skipped one or two.--Dali-Llama 07:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yr text is weak, to sey the least. After reading this, one has added but nothing to its personal culture. It´s amazing to see my work and Spark´s thrown away. No bom português: vc parece estar falando sozinho (quem fala sozinho não é ouvido por ninguém). A lot of minor, of no importance (at all) details, are abundant on yr articles. The only valuable part is the Plan´s list of goals. Anyway, I have no further comments, I end any an all discussion of this article and all the others. Ludovicapipa yes? 11:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think we'll let others decide.--Dali-Llama 14:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Version