Talk:Operation Halyard

message: Found this article today.  http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/18/2010-10-18_george_vujnovich_orchestrator_of_largest_air_rescue_of_american_soldiers_awarded.html
Malke 2010 (talk) 21:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  News article 

message: Thomas J. Craughwell, Great Rescues of WORL WAR II--Свифт (talk) 21:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Book

message: *OPERATION "AIR BRIDGE" Draza Mihailovich and the Rescue of US Airmen during World War II, by Carl K. Savich
*Halyard Mission - Interviews with US airmen
*Halyard Mission
*65 anniversary of the end of the Halyard Mission
*US Veterans share WWII survival story
*Provoz Halyard 1944.
*Pictures Gallery OPERATION "AIR BRIDGE"
* Photo Collection from Arthur 'Jibby' Jibilian, American Hero from WWII
Operation Halyard, Serbia, 1944
*Bronze Star Awarded to Unsung WWII Hero - Video CBS NEWS
*George Vujnovich awarded Bronze Star after 66 years for largest air rescue of American soldiers
*Operation Halyard
*Operation Halyard mission evokes forgotten friendships among Serbs, Americans - Marine Corps
*The project mission
*G.S. Musulin, Who Got G.I.'s Out of Yugoslavia, Dies at 72 - The New York Times
--Свифт (talk) 22:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There might also be a PBS video or a History Channel video about this.  I was talking with someone about this and they mentioned it.  I'll look for it tonight.  Would be great if true.Malke 2010 (talk) 02:00, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: *To erect a monument to General Draza Mihailovich in Washington--Свифт (talk) 19:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Monument in Washington

message: This article is about the Rescue pilots by the Chetniks and Mission Halyard. If you want to write about the Rescue pilots by the Partisans write a separate article. What you have written to the Chetniks rescued Ustasha pilots do not even want to comment.--Свифт (talk) 07:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If so, then provide evidence they did not save Nazi pilots? Where is your evidence? You make various allegations but you fail to substantiate them. Please see my comment below, I substantiated all my claims. You can verify them. You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting General Draza Mihailovic who slaughtered Serb women and children. Photos of some victims are located here http://www.znaci.net/00001/22.htm .Yahalom Kashny (talk) 05:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article about the Rescue pilots by the Chetniks

message: *Heroes of the Skies: The Yugoslav Detachment (1942-1945) 
 This picture shows President Roosevelt taking part in the dedication of four B-24 Liberators that were to be operated by a unit of 40 Yugoslav airmen who had escaped the fall of Yugoslavia. These four planes flew with the 376th Bombardment Group, from bases in the Middle East.
The RYAF (Royal Yugoslav Air Force) was assigned to the 376 BG / 512 BS in Oct 43. The RYAF B-24s flew as #20 thru #23. #23 is the only one to have survived the war. 
Number 24 is now in the Wright Patterson Air Museum - Dayton, OH --Свифт (talk) 07:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The RYAF (Royal Yugoslav Air Force)

message: This article gives the impression of a very clumsily machine-translated version. I have not copyedited some sections for fear of changing the meaning and because I didn't understand them! The standard of English is not good. The article still needs a lot of work; in some cases, just to mae it readable.
One contradiction that I noticed was in the 'Mission' section: "This operation took place between August and December 1944."
But in the preceding 'The evacuation from Boljanić' section, para 4, it states: "Two C-47s lifted 25 airmen from Boljanić in late February 1945  in very cold weather. This was the last evacuation. [my emphasis] 
Which is it?
RASAM (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit 

message: This is given as a quote from a report"
The plane landed between two groups of Bulgarians from two hundred Bulgarian troops. I ordered immediately to be with 500 of our soldiers who are blocking the Bulgarians. The crew was rescued alive and well. Them are nine... 
Two groups of Bulgarians from two hundred Bulgarian troops?
Them are nine... ?
If someone has the original reference, was this how it was written? If not, please correct.  Thomas R. Fasulo (talk) 00:50, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect quote 

message: G'day. There is a serious lack of inline citation in this article. I thought I would just demonstrate this in the 'Rescue of American Airmen' section for starters. Anything making a serious or controversial claim (such as the killing of aircrew by Axis forces, Mihailovic demonstrating control over his commanders via orders, etc needs a source. Also, I have deleted the two operations that were linked at the bottom. They have nothing to do with Operation Halyard, and they relate to events that occurred two or three years earlier. Peacemaker67 (talk) 09:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: also, a pamphlet self-published by a Serbian emigre group cannot be a reliable source (except about themselves). I have tagged it as unreliable. Peacemaker67 (talk) 11:04, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thomas J. Craughwell in his book Great Rescues of World War II states on the page 155 that 512 airman were saved and tha it was the "largest and most successfull rescue of downed man in history". FkpCascais (talk) 06:05, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The number of 512 is also supported by Gregory A. Freeman ("The Forgotten 500") and Charles S. Fadis ("Beyond Repair: The Decline and Fall of the C.I.A.", pag. 100 although taken from Freeman). FkpCascais (talk) 06:13, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Fadis actually directly cites Freeman in the book, no problem with that, I mentioned it inmediatelly. No problem, I ll bring here whatever I find. FkpCascais (talk) 08:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: the numbers in the article (unsourced) actually add up to 502 not 512. Just thought I'd mention that. Peacemaker67 (talk) 08:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations Needed 

message: This section relates to the evacuation of the Armstrong mission, and has nothing to do with Operation Halyard. I'm just flagging that I will delete it shortly as not being relevant to Operation Halyard (like the non-airlift evacuations I deleted earlier). Peacemaker67 (talk) 09:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be seen as providing context or background and illustrates that flying people in and out of occupied country was entriely possible. GraemeLeggett (talk) 10:55, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've actually retained it on the basis that it ties in with the political mission, but have trimmed it down a bit. Peacemaker67 (talk) 11:17, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of First air evacuation section 

message: George Vujnovich died 4/24/2012 -  http://news.yahoo.com/oss-agent-led-wwii-rescue-500-dies-ny-002540215.html and http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-george-vujnovich-20120501,0,992343.story  Irish Melkite (talk) 10:25, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Vujnovich 

message: Which is it, then? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 16:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Significant disruptive editing since March, have reverted. Cheers, Peacemaker67  (send... over) 04:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  356 or 513? 

message: USAF Colonel John Capello and me were researching Halyard Operation for more than six years in the United States, Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Operation Halyard was conducted by the 15th Air Force Air Crew Rescue Unit 1, OSS and Chetniks.  Partisans were not involved in this particular operation (separate Air Crew Rescue Unit was attached to Partisans). Please keep daily politics, nationalistic and communistic propaganda away from this subject. Thank you.Daniel Sunter (talk) 20:17, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please retain reliable academic sources in the article, refrain from adding primary sources and further creating POV issues with this article. I have reverted your edits as you have created a large number of further issues with your edits. Please read WP policies on use of sources, and neutrality. Thanks, Peacemaker67  (send... over) 00:11, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of factual errors 

message: Hello Peacemaker67! Controversy section of the Halyard Op page is unsourced, in conflict with reliable sources and contain major factual errors. Claim "Mihalović assisted the US airborne evac of about 250 from Chetnik territory in Aug 1944" is a factual error  - according to Tomasevich, Ford, Leary and Freeman Mihailović assisted the US airborne evacuation Halyard from July till December. Claim "This simply meant that the Chetniks allowed the Americans to use their airstrip for the evacuation – scarcely a particularly heroic action" is also a factual error - according to Ford, Leary, Freeman there was no airstrip to be used for mass evacuation so US mission jointly with the Chetniks, 300 local Serbs (with sixty ox carts) had to clear meadow and level the terrain in order to create suitable airstrip. According to same reliable sources Serbian farmers and Chetniks fed and sheltered crash landed airmen and provided medical treatment of wounded/injured etc. Claim "Mihailovic’s Chetniks rescued German airmen and handed them over safely to the German armed forces – were he so inclined, Schroeder could follow Washington’s example" is not supported by verifiable source.  What is your view on that matter? Regards, D.Daniel Sunter (talk) 15:40, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: G'day Daniel, I would prefer it if we had these discussions on the article talk page in front of the whole community. The whole subsection is sourced from Hoare, who was writing for the Henry Jackson Society. The document in question is available here. You are drawing implications from Hoare's words that are not there. Nowhere did he say that the Chetniks and villagers didn't make an airstrip, it is my understanding that this is pretty generally accepted. Please read the whole article, and continue this discussion on the article talk page where I have copied it. Regards, Peacemaker67  (send... over) 05:47, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As noted here, all of Hoare's work published on the HJS website was taken down after he split from the organisation and a gent called Douglas Murray was appointed to it. Hoare is an eminent academic writing on Yugoslavia and the former Yugoslavia, and published by top-end university presses. His work is reliable, is published reliably, and its inclusion is completely justified. To compare him to Freeman is insulting. I am happy to re-factor the flow of the article (which frankly needs plenty of work), but wholesale removal of the work of reliably published  specialist academics is unacceptable on WP. Despite your protestations, you are reading more into it than is there, so I am wondering is English is not your first language. Peacemaker67  (send... over) 03:13, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halyard op: controversy section (copied from [[User talk:Peacemaker67]])

message: Is for the main part word-for-word from Leary's Fueling the Fires of Resistance. As is the last paragraph of the section "Airlift from Pranjani to Bari". Needs rewriting. GraemeLeggett (talk) 20:34, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Crew Rescue Unit Creation section 

message: July 4, 2014.  I just met a former POW from WWII who was one of those rescued by Operation Halyard.  I was standing in line waiting to pay for my purchase at Vince's Produce in Linthicum, MD and noticed a gentleman wearing a WWII Veteran's hat with a B-24 pin attached. I thanked him for his service and we just started to talk. His daughter mentioned his capture and being POW in Yugoslavia and the fact that his name was the last name of those who were extracted.  I'm sorry I didn't get his name and more info, but they did say he's in the book.  What a great way, and memory, for me to have this happen today, on our Nation's celebration of our freedom!
Charlie C.  MSgt Ret, USAF
Vietnam 1969/1973  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.106.240.237 (talk) 21:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ONE REMAINING AIRMAN WHO WAS RESCUED BY THE OSS STILL LIVES