Talk:Arab Americans

message: I think this is a very nice list, but I think it needs to be in a seperate article, and this seperate article should be called List of Arab Americans.--Gramaic 00:06, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Arab Americans

message: The numbers at the top and bottom of the page don't match in terms of total Arabs in America.  The number on the bottom is official, I'm changing the top.
CorneliusStump 21:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing some numbers

message: Please see the discussion here -- this needs more input from editors who actually work in this area. Badagnani 16:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Need comment at deletion discussion

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Spy Kids Alexander Minion.JPG

message: "Due to a conflation of terms, in its broadest sense "Arab American" may include people who do not in fact identify as Arab." This seems kind of offensive to me. If they don't call themselves Arab, who is Wikipedia to tell them they are wrong?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nincomp (talk • contribs) 11:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Identity

message: Can we get populations of Arab Americans in each city (especially Detroit/Dearborn and New York City)? Badagnani (talk) 22:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My advice is consult www.census.gov for data reports about the total population of Arab Americans by ethnic self-identification from the 2000 Census report. The third largest communities are Detroit, New York and Chicago; although I believe the Los Angeles area and San Diego may surpassed them by now. Be in mind not all Arab Americans are "Arab", in addition they could be of ethnic Armenian, Iranian, Jewish, Somali, Turkic and Berber ancestry from an Arabic-speaking country in Southwest Asia or/and North Africa. + 71.102.36.5 (talk) 10:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Populations

message: The opening paragraph of the article states the following:
The overwhelming majority of Arab Americans, or some 80%, are Christians, while only 20% are Muslims, and the remaining 10% are of other faiths, agnostics or atheists.
Not only are the figures not sourced (no citation is given), but they don't add up as well, since the total is placed at 110%. Anyone care to do some research and clarify? Vargher (talk) 22:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Arab American institute says 63% are Christians and 24% Muslim, while 13% is agnositc or atheist.  I'll make the change.  http://www.aaiusa.org/arab-americans/22/demographics Inf fg (talk) 17:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Percentage

message: Mitch Daniels is not even arab according to any link I have seen and Shannon Elizabeth is not really important.  I think we should take both off and add Jim Jabara who is much more important and has places named after him.PonileExpress (talk) 21:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: People who shouldn't have pics in the opening

message: i guess it's not creditable to separate the both countries origin since they both got the same background and family mixing since thousands years! Lebanese claimed to be Phoenicians which it's somehow not true cuz the Phoenicians were also in the Syrian and Palestinian coast!! genetically syrian and lebanese are a match not to mention that the whole area share nearly everything ( food , music , tradition , history ) but due the modern day searching for famous identities to bring some pride for the countries i've noticed that there is always a conflict between Syrians and Lebanese about the origin issues for example when there is someone from a clearly Syrian origin somehow he\she became Syrian\Lebanese origin in wikipidia!! or sometimes people without sources proving their origin they became lebanese!! sometimes there is people became Lebanese just because they were born or lived few years there!? to solve this problem we need to define the word Origin! and that demands knowing the real roots of the person family which need reliable sources ...some could not be Arabs ethnically ( Kurds - Armenians - Assyrians - Turkmens - Circassians ) but they live in the country thousand years ago, this would be mention also when it come to the Origin issue as a background.
 
after words... when it comes to American people who belong the whole Levant region  ( Syria - Lebanon - Jordan - Palestine ) the origin country shouldn't be mention without a creditable source and study which is the main rule of Wikipedia ...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChaosLogics (talk • contribs) 14:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? The Lebanese and Syrians are of the same origin, and they are both Arabs, and studies show that the genetic makeup of the Lebanese is similar to the Arabs of the Levant and Damascus, and where did you come from? The Lebanese are not Arabs. Who are you to deny our origin only based on your biased, illogical desires, and the Arabs in Lebanon were from before Islam and Christianity, so let you know this 5.45.140.195 (talk) 13:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Syrians or Lebanese? 

message: Steve Jobs doesn't belong in the gallery, I'm sorry. I realize he has Arab roots, but he's far from being "Arab-American". Besides, there are so many other well-known and equally worthy Arab Americans who can be in this gallery such as the late Edward Said, James/John Zogby and Ralph Nader. 
In general, I find the gallery very weak, not only because of the horrid formatting, but because it doesn't really rouse the attention...I mean, I'm Arab and I don't find any of these people attention-grabbing (apart from Shannon Elizabeth, George Mitchel and Tony Shalhoub). Imagine what others would think.
04:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes to the gallery

message: It's full of opinion and not much in the way of fact. Implying that the idea of a Middle Eastern race is "false" is absurd, seeing as race itself is not a biological reality. ALL of the current racial categories used in the US Census are arbitrary - People from the Indian subcontinent are lumped in with people from East Asia in the "Asian" category, for example. Race is a subjective, socially-defined concept, and if you look at how the US Census has changed over the years you can see how this is true. It is only within the past decade that Native Hawaiians and Pacific Islanders were made their own category separate from Asians. Even earlier than that, "Asian" was divided into many categories like "Chinese", "Japanese", "Korean", and "Hindu" races. If people of Middle Eastern origin do not want to identify themselves as Caucasian, they shouldn't have to... They certainly haven't been treated as white people in American society. --74.220.50.16 (talk) 06:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The "Racial Status" Section is Ridiculously POV

message: Some citations do not support the facts they are citing, probably because they are outdated. This should be fixed. I noticed citations 5 and 6 on religious demographics do not actually contain any information on religious demographics. Crushti (talk) 20:46, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: Hi everybody,
I'm sorry to say that but many of North-African people you quoted here aren't Arabs but Berbers.
(Yasmine Bleeth is of Algerian Kabyle descent,as well as Sanaa Hamri who is from Tangiers whose inhabitants are mainly of berber descent).
Additionnally,I'll say that the overwhelming majority of North-Africans are Berbers according to Genetic studies that have been made on several people of these regions...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.250.215.68 (talk) 12:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabs?????? 

message: I was making changes to some very dubious entries in the infobox of the page. All my edits were reverted by a colleague :User:Jeppiz by this entry:  mentioning need for concensus after discussing on a talk page. So here are my notes of why certain individuals are not at all fit to be highlighted as typical Arab Americans. Feelfree to comment on any one or all to reach a concensus as required:
*Shakira: she is considered mainly Colombian. I am not even sure she did acquire American nationality much later, but regardless not a good candidate for "Arab American"
*Salma Hayek: she is considered mainly Mexican. She did acquire US nationality much later, but again, as Shakira, hardly a typical candidate for "Arab American"
*Wentworth Miller: Even according to our Wikipedia page , he is of African-American, Cherokee, Dutch, English, French, German, Jamaican, Jewish, Lebanese, Syrian origin. For lack of Arab known characters, is this what we come with for an example to highlight as Arab American? Really? Sure he is paritally Arab, so he takes over genuine Arab Americans?
*Vince Vaughn: Very similar to Wentworth Miller case. This actor is Canadian, English, German, Irish, Italian and Lebanese origin. Again, is this the best example that we can come up with and highlight, just because of a partial Lebanese ancestry? 
*Shannon Elizabeth: According to her page, she is English, German, Irish, Cherokee, and Syrian descent. This is just like the preceeding two, a dubious Arab American choice.
*Some, at best secondary figures are Catherine Keener, Rima Fakih and Marlo Thomas. 
These comments are not to be judgmental. But consider the choices I had made that were en masse deleted just for "need of discussion"... I had added and now are reversed for these individuals instead as truly typical Arab Americans: 
*Kahlil Gibran, Lebanese origin writer, philosopher, artist
*Donna Shalala, US Secretary of Health and Human Services under President Bill Clinton, President of the University of Miami, chancellor of the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, by President George W. Bush
*Edward Said, Palestinian professor, scholar, political analyst, avid writer
*Casey Kasem, enigmatic entertainment guru and radio personality, founder of the American Top 40 across the States
*DJ Khaled, Palestinian rapper of huge hits. See: DJ Khaled discography
The choices we presently have of Colombian Shakira, Mexican Salma Hayek, multi-ethnic Wentworth Miller, Vince Vaughn, Shannon Elizabeth of slight distant Arab descent or secondary figures? Or Gibran, Said, Kasem Shalala that we don't have. 
Please provide comments. werldwayd (talk) 15:55, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for discussing. Let me make it clear that I don't disagree with you. On the contrary, I think most of your suggestions are good. My reversions builds on the need to discuss substantial changes of this kind before making them, as they may otherwise lead to unnecessary edit warring. I would recommend waiting two or three says. If nobody disagree, then go ahead and make the replacements.Jeppiz (talk) 15:59, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on some "questionable" Arab Americans highlighted in infobox

message: How come all of these so-called arabs are white or white-like?  Most don't even call themselves arabs because they know that they are not.  Lebanon is the most unArab nation that is considered Arabic-speaking.  Most arabs are not even arabs as REAL arabs (black) used Turks (REAL white people) as slaves to invade Africa as arab numbers were so low.  We all know, but tend to no mention that Turks taking over the arab conquests and running the show.  TURKS are white, with red hair and blue eyes to boot!  I know about the "Lawrence of Arabia" story, but I don't recall hearing about a Turkish exodus!
All the WHITE Turks did was change their names and start calling themselves arabs in order to keep the land.  You can even go on Youtube and see videos of Turk (Albanian) controllers of Egypt in the 50's for proof.  So any white arab is a Turk or a Greek or Slav origins.  Many Arab-Americans have clear black traits like a Tony Shalub with his hair or gangster Eddie Nash with his hair and lips.  They also shorten or change their names to mask their origins.  If they were so 'arab,' they would keep their names.  Most are not even muslims either.
My point is, when you look up the "Arab-American Institute," you will find that it is really a "WHITE Arab-American Institute."  Everyone they deal with are white are whiter looking.  I never come across the Sudanese, the Omani or any black or black looking arabs or the mixed whom many regard as the pure arab, but of course no one can really point us to a pure arab because no one knows what that is.  We need to show a balance or else I am left with the impression that the AAI exists only to promote whiteness and to demonstrate why they should be white.  It can also be argued that they are white supremacists.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.197.169 (talk) 15:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, Paula Abdul is actually Jewish American not even really Arab, her father was a Syrian Jew and these people didn't consider themselves Arab.PacificWarrior101 (talk) 16:20, 9 
December 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Are you Crazy? A] - Arabs are a Semitic people, and are not and never were Black. B] Turks never ran the Arab Islamic conquest, they came much later. C] Turks have never regarded themselves as Arabs. D] Turks were originally of Mongoloid appearance, not blue eyed and red haired. They look more Meditteranean only because they mixed with the Caucasoid natives of Asia Minor. D] The peoples of the near east have never been blacks, Arabs, Assyrians, Canaanites, Jews etc are all olive skinned Caucasoid peoples, and always were.
Please add Reliable sources on why you think Arabs are black, even though I think Arabs never were black, to begin with. I also agree with the last comment that original Turks have Mongolid features and not European. Dalal 1999 (talk) 11:34, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where are the Black or "Mixed" Arabs? 

message: Mitch Daniels and Ralph Nader do not identify as Arab and their ancestors came from Greece, not the Arabian Peninsula; their parents belonged to the Greek minority in Syria. Paula Abdul is not of Arab ancestry, but Sephardic Jewish ancestry. Calling any of these people "Arab" because they immigrated from Arab countries is like calling a white south african immigrant "African American." Jenna Dewan, Shannon Elizabeth and Christa McAullife are of mostly European ancestry, and seem to be chosen for the fact that they look more like their European parents than their Arab ones. 
It's mildly absurd and more than a little offensive that almost everyone in the picture has 'white' features, despite the fact that -- U.S. census definitions aside -- most Arab Americans do not look and are not perceived to be white. Let's get more diverse and accurate photos, please, of Arabs of a variety of complexions and ancestries, not just Lebanese people (who tend to look 'whiter' because they have more European ancestry), but Yemeni, Egyptian, etc. Steeletrap (talk) 09:48, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Page looks better now -- more representative of diverse Arab community. The people who are just blatantly not arab (no ancestry or identification) have been removed. Thanks to User:Werldwayd for the help! Steeletrap (talk) 18:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ralph Nader is of Armenian or part-Armenian descent,  and they are definitely not Arabs.Lathamibird (talk) 03:59, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

text: What exactly is your illness? That Ralph Nader is an Arab person, where he came from, that he is Armenian, and I even assumed that if he were not Armenian, he would be half that. What is this childishness? And Paula Abdul is also Arab. Judaism is a religion, not an ethnic group. 5.45.140.195 (talk) 15:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Ridiculous, whitewashed photo of people who are entirely or mostly European

message: There are some people in Indonesia who want to make Islam in Indonesia entirely native by removing all the things that they perceive as Arab culture. However, they often get it wrong. Everthings that they don't agree immediately branded as Arab culture. Certainly that is not always the case. I consider them careless. I wonder why they became fervently anti-Arab culture. They always call themselves as pluralists, and of course it means honoring and respecting all cultures. However, in reality they are not tolerant to all existing cultures.
The problem is, if they really want to get rid of Arab culture, there would be a lot of sciences and musical intruments that would be threw away, including Javanese and European instruments. For example is rebab, the Javanese fiddle. This is originally an Arab instrument. Its original name is rabab, after entering Indonesia it is called rebab. In Europe it is called rebec, which gradually evolved into a variety of bowed instruments, including the violin. Are we going to throw away violin, this beautiful Arab instrument? Well, Paganini, Mozart, Stradivarius and his friends would be furious. Meanwhile, in Java since long ago rebab has become an integral part of gamelan orchestra. Should we get rid the rebab as well? Well, our dalangs would be furious.
Okay, I'll give three references about the violin and rebec, violin ancestor which came from the Middle East. From Encarta, Britannica and Wikipedia. You also can read The Rebec Project.
 
1). The viola, which evolved from unstandardized medieval fiddles, is first depicted in early 16th-century pictures. Like most other instruments of the Renaissance, it was built in a range of sizes that, together, made up a consort. Small violas (violins), large ones held between the knees (violoncellos; see Cello), and even larger ones played standing up (violones) were the specialty of Italian artisans such as the Amati family and Antonio Stradivari. The pochette or kit, a miniature violin-type instrument played by dancing masters, often had a one-piece body and neck carved from a block of wood; it thus resembled the medieval rebec, the name and shape of which were in turn derived from the Middle Eastern rabab. (“Musical Instruments”, Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia 2002).
2). Rebec: bowed, stringed musical instrument of European medieval and early Renaissance music. It was originally called a rubebe, developed about the 11th century from the similar Arab rabāb, and was carried to Spain with Muslim culture. ("rebec." Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopaedia Britannica Ultimate Reference Suite.  Chicago: Encyclopædia Britannica, 2010).
The word lira, a misapplication of lyra, the ancient Greek lyre played with a plectrum, had appeared by the 9th century for the Byzantine form of the Arab rabāb, the ancestor of all European bowed instruments. ("lira." Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopaedia Britannica Ultimate Reference Suite.  Chicago: Encyclopædia Britannica, 2010).
3). The rebec (sometimes rebecha, rebeckha, and originally various other spellings, pronounced /ˈriːbɛk/ or /ˈrɛbɛk/) is a bowed string musical instrument. In its most common form, it has a narrow boat-shaped body and 1-5 strings and is played on the arm or under the chin, like a violin. It is also an ancestor of the violin.
The instrument did remain in use by dance masters until the 18th century, however, often being used for the same purpose as the kit, a small pocket-sized violin. The rebec also continued to be used in folk music, especially in eastern Europe and Spain. Andalusi nubah, a genre of music from North Africa, often includes the rebec. (Rebec - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).
The lute (al-'ud) was another Arab instrumen that also very popular in Europe. Many famous composers in Europe composed songs for lute, including Johann Sebastian Bach. While in Europe it is called the lute, in Indonesia it is called gambus, which is also very popular here. After I explained this, you now understand why gambus and kasidah always include the violin in its performance. Because the violin is an Arab instrumen. Because Islam influence entered Europe  from  Spain, then surely no coincidence that one variants of the lute, the guitar, is from Spain, so we have the term "Spanish guitar".
The compositions for lute also can be played with guitars. It certainly shows that both instruments are closely related. For example you can see on youtube the work of Johann Sebastian Bach for the lute, the Prelude from Lute Suite no. 4 played with guitar by John Williams, and he perform it at Alhambra palace. Certainly we already know the beauty of the Alhambra Palace, build by the Arabs.
So, it is very difficult to get rid of the Arab culture because J.S. Bach and his friends were also al-'ud lovers and their works still play by many classical musicians around the world. Because many people don’t know about it, they become anti-Arab and want to get rid of Arab culture. Due to their lack of knowledge.
And surprised!! The banjo, a country music instrument that is considered a native  instrument of rural America, also descended from that Arab instrument, the lute (al-'ud). It brought by black people who seized by slave traders and then sold to plantations in the South. Banjo ancestor in the West African is a variant of lute. See history of the banjo at Banjo Ancestors.
Arab culture have influenced West Africa long before the arrival of the white man. The ancestor of banjo came from Senegal, Gambia and Guinea, the majority of their population are Muslim. Senegal 92%, Gambia 90%, and Guinea 85%. Guinea Bissau is often included because it has significant Muslim population, 35%. But, the largest country is Senegal (Gambia and Guinea Bissau are only tiny country) so most expert prefer to associate the banjo with Senegal. Guinea is also a large country, but it located rather inland. On youtube there is a banjo performance From Senegal to Seeger. You may watch it. Seeger is an American banjo player. Here is a brief description of the show.
Protest, passion, politics, poetry - the banjo is the voice of the people, and 'From Senegal to Seeger' unshackles that voice. 'From Senegal to Seeger' is a journey into Americana - a social and political portrait of America through the eyes of the banjo.
In this 90 minute tour-de-force Michael plays music that spans 300 years and charts the transformation of the banjo from an African instrument to the quintessential expression of the American voice. (From Senegal to Seeger - Stories of the American Banjo)
So, if we see cowboys dancing accompanied with  violin and banjo, they actually enjoy the Arab culture. They would be really angy if you want to get rid of Arab culture, they would lynch you and shoot you. :D
 
Btw, we can't blame Cassius Clay when he changed his name to Muhammad Ali. Also Karim Abdul Jabbar and other blacks. Because many black people ancestors are Muslims, those who brought the banjo to the American continent. But Malcolm X simply remove his last name, changed it to X, to cut his association with his forefather's master.
In science, the contribution of Muslim scientist among others is in mathematics, which we know as algebra and algorisme, which is a compulsory subject at school throughout world. Actually it is not the work of an Arab because Al-Khwarizmi was a Persian, from Khwarizm, which is now part of Uzbekistan. So, it is more appropriately if we call it Islamic science. However, Al-Khwarizmi lived in Arab land. He was born during the rule of Harun Ar-Rashid, the legendary caliph of the Abbasid dynasty. When he was a child he moved with his parents to Baghdad, Iraq, an Arab country. Then he served at the court of Caliph Al-Ma'mun, the son of Harun Ar-Rashid. He wrote all his works in Arabic, the official language of the Abbasid empire. Al-khwarizmi also introduced Hindu-Arabic numbers to Europe, so we called it Arabic numerals. Arabic numerals (Arabic Numeral) is 1,2,3 ... . the figures that we used in modern mathematics. Modern mathematics does not use the Roman numerals. Impossible, it would be very difficult. Another Muslim mathematician was Omar Khayyam, although now he is more famous as a poet. Of course there are many more other Muslim scientists. You may googling it yourself.
Western Europeans also did not study Greek philosophy in Athens, the academy in Athens had long been in ruin. They did not study in Rome, too, because Rome had long been in ruin as well. Western Europeans studied Greek philosophy, mathematics and other sciences to Arab professors, especially in the universities in Spain.
Islamic Contributions to Medieval Europe were numerous, affecting such varied areas as art, architecture, medicine, agriculture, music, language, and technology. From the 11th to 13th centuries, Europe Absorbed knowledge from the Islamic civilization. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most Notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic.
During the 11th and 12th centuries, many Christian scholars Travelled to Muslim lands to learn sciences. Notable examples include, Leonardo Fibonacci, Adelard of Bath and Constantine the African. Also, from the 11th to the 14th centuries, numerous European Muslim students attended centers of higher learning (which the author calls "universities") to study medicine, philosophy, mathematics, cosmography and other subjects. ("Islamic Contributions to Medieval Europe", Wikipedia)
After they graduated, European students returned to their countries and brought with them Arab culture and sciences that they had learned in Arab lands. And before long Europe awaken, the Renaissance then began. The Renaissance is impossible without transfering sciences from Arab professors to their students from Western Europe. Beside wikipedia, all history books also state that Western Europeans studied Greek philosophy, mathematics and other sciences from Arab professors. You may read them, too.
Arabs themselves still feel superior over Europe until the time of Napoleon. When Napoleon conquered Egypt, the Arabs realized the progress in science and technology that has been achieved by Europe. Previously they despised Europe and considered it still backward as during the Crusade era. Only after Napoleon counquering Egypt the Arabs realized they need to learn from Europe.
If we trace it back further, some Arabic-Islamic science and culture came from many other regions, such as from Persia, India, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Central Asia and others. However, scientists and artists of Arab-Islam who developed it, refined and spread it all over the world, both to the West and to the East. From the Atlantic coast of Western Europe and  Western Africa to the Pacific Ocean. And of course along the thousands of miles of silk road. Before the era of Western dominance, the culture that dominated the world about a thousand years was Arabic culture. A very long period indeed. So, don't be surprised if Arab culture took rooted everywhere, all over the world. For a thousand years the Arabs wandered everywhere, bringing with them their culture and science. It is certainly different from the Greco-Roman culture because their influence only limited in the Mediterranean. The Greeks and the Romans never travel to sub-Saharan, exploring the silk road, let alone sailied to the Pacific Ocean.
So, it would be difficult if we intend to discard Arab culture. It has been so pervasive and spread throughout the world, both to the West and the East, and its origin often forgotten and many people consider it as local culture, such as fiddle and kebaya in Indonesia (from Arabic abaya). If you want to know further about Arab contributions to the world, please browse the internet. Perhaps the people who anti-Arab think that the Arab culture are only a turban and robe. Thats wrong, brothers. I think you need to learn more about Arab culture.
How then about Javanese and Malay culture? Will they someday able to influence the development of world culture as the Arab culture? It all depends on the artists here. But, the most unfortunate is they whose works only berate Arab culture, but they never contribute anything to the development of the world culture, let alone the world sciences. Nil.
Acculturation
When I was still in college I was asked by a lecturer from ISI (Institut Seni Indonesia = Indonesia Institute of Arts) about foreign cultures that flow incessantly into Indonesia. He is my brother's friend. All my brothers are ISI graduate, they studied classical music there. Now it located in Sewon, Bantul, D.I. Yogyakarta. Therefore, I know history and origin of some classical instruments because sometime I read their textbooks. I myself who is not an artist. I am just a good audience. :D 
Well, after thinking for a moment I answered that it is inevitable. Both in former time and present. However, as time goes by, there will be a process of acculturation, a blending of local and foreign cultures. Eventually, foreign cultures will be adapted by the locals, even regarded them as their own culture. For example keroncong, a Portuguese music, lenso dance which also brought by the Portuguese, wayang from India, and rebab from Arabia and many others. Now we regard all those foreign culture as our own national culture. The same would happen to many cultures that now we consider them "foreigners". Eventually, it will enrich our culture that already exist today.
Actually, we have adopt a lot of foreign cultures in our daily life. Even in food, such as bakso, tofu and noodles from China, Italian pizza, martabak India and many others. In clothing we know that our everyday clothes all come from abroad, such as trousers, shirts, T-shirts, shorts, hats and our formal clothing. But, we have accept them and do not complains about them and don't want to forbid people to eat or wear them. It has been regarded as our national food and clothing.
Sometimes a foreign music that is considered very "dangerous" and offensive, threatening young people such as rock music, did not last for long. It cannot survive for centuries such as wayang and keroncong. Until the late 80s, on the walls and in the streets, on the sticker, or school textbooks there is often the phrase "Rock Will Never Die", and at the time it looks like so because rock music was very popular. Everywhere there were graffiti of Hellowen, Metallica, Scorpion, GnR, Rush, Van Halen, Mick Jagger tongue and so on. At that time the ears of older generation became very miserable. The teachers not only brought textbooks in their arm, but also brought scissors to cut students long hair. However, now we can safely say that "Rock Nearly Die". 
By the mid-90's, pictures of unkemp long-haired musicians were taken down and replaced by boys band, such as NKOTB and others, whose personnels introduced clean-cut appearance. Rock also replaced by grunge music such as Nirvana. Even Metallica personnels cut their hair short, their songs also became more calm, to adapt to the changing market, which was already bored with rock music and looking for an alternative music. Arguably teenager of 1980s and early 1990s were the last generation who saw rock music as mainstream music. After this generation, rock music presumably would also gone forever, and become only a nostagia music of a gone-by era. The rock generation then replaced with Korean music generation and Gangnam style fans.
So, why should we fear the invasion of a foreign culture? That is too narrow-minded. Moreover, it don't necessarily long-lasting. Foreign cultures that can survive until modern time their origins had long been forgotten and now is considered as local culture, and enriching our local culture such as wayang, rebab and keroncong. Therefore, I always oppose cultural puritanism/Wahhabism that wants to get rid all the foreign cultures. Why? We eat food foreign everyday such as cassava (from South America), rice (from mainland Asia) and corn (from South America). And of course bread and supermie, obviously not native Indonesia, even wheat is never planted in Indonesia. But all people here, even who is fervently anti-foreign culture like to eat all those foreign food. Not consistent. And our native food, sago, had been abandoned altogether long ago, except in eastern Indonesia. But, all those foreign food are now considered Indonesia traditional food and enriching local diet. So, why should we fear the invasion of foreign culture? Of course it must bring benefit, and not destuctive. Eventually, foreign cultures that are now still considered "foreigners" will become part of our national culture and must be conserved as well.
Arab culture, a culture that is Deeply Loved by Americans and Europeans :: StPiningit Blog http://helmijuni.blogspot.com/2013/12/arab-culture-culture-that-is-deeply.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.111.51.49 (talk) 15:59, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arab culture, a culture that is Deeply Loved by Americans and Europeans 

message: Many people originating from what are today Arabic speaking nations are not in fact Arabs, nor do they classify themselves as such. Most of the Christian population of the Middle East is almost by definition Pre-Arab, descending from the old races extant prior to the Arab-Islamic Conquest. At least Some of these are falsely labelled as Arabs, or included wrongly as Arabs. Some obvious examples of Non-Arabs are;
1. Assyrians (Chaldo-Assyrians, Chaldeans) - Mesopotamian East Aramaic speaking Descendants of the pre-Arab populations of Assyria/Northern Mesopotamia, northeast Syria, southeast Turkey and northwest Iran. These people do not even speak Arabic, and have never been regarded as Arabs in their 5000 year history. Their historical continuity, genetics, language and culture are all pre-Arab, non-Arab and distinct from Arabs. Even the early Arabs called them Assyrians (Ashuriyun).
2. Arameans-Syriacs - Most Christians from Syria (excluding the Assyrian north east corner) are of Pre-Arab Aramean ancestry, and advocate an Aramean identity. These originally all spoke Western Aramaic, a few still do, and they are genetically distinct from Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula. Migrant communities of Syrian Christians in Europe, eg; Sweden, Germany, France etc never call themselves Arab, they are either Aramean, Syriac or Assyrian.
3 Maronites/Phonecians - Lebanese Christians do not generally regard themselves as Arabs, but often specifically as Lebenese, Maronite or Phoenician. They too are Pre Arab people, whose ancient roots lie in Phoenicia, which was the modern coasts of Lebanon and Syria. Migrant communities of Lebanese Christians in Europe, eg; Sweden, Germany, France etc never call themselves Arab, they are either Phoenician, Syriac or Aramean.
4. Egyptians/Egyptian Copts - DNA analysis shows that modern Egyptians are pretty much the same genetically as the Ancient pre-Arabic speaking Egyptians. And in the case of the Egyptian Copts, they still spoke Egyptian until the 18th century, and still do in church. The Muslim population may have mixed with Muslim Arabs, the Christian population certainly did not, and Egyptian Coptic Christians never refer to themselves as Arabs.
5. Middle Eastern Jews - Jews native to Israel/Jordan/Palestine, and those who migrated from there to Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Egypt and North Africa are ethnically Jews/Hebrews, and not Arab converts. Genetically and culturally they are distinct from Arabs, and like the Assyrians, Arameans, Maronites, Egyptians and Mandeans, they are undoubtedly Pre-Arab, and should not be included as Arabs. No native Mid Eastern Jew/Hebrew would claim Arab ancestry.
6. Mandeans - are an ethno-religious Semitic minority people. Again, they are non-Arab, Pre-Arab and do not even speak Arabic, they are of ancient Canaanite-Mesopotamian stock.
7. Berbers - These are the Indigenous peoples of Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco and of the Western and Northern Sahara since pre history. They are not Arabs, were there before the Arabs, many still speak Berber, and they are genetically distinct from Arabs. They never regard themselves as Arab either.
8. Armenians - Indo European speakers, been in the region 2500 years, clearly non Arab
9. Kurds - Indo European speakers from ancient Corduenne, 1500 years ago.
10. Greeks - Indo European speakers - unrelated to Arabs in every way, extant in Asia Minor since circa 2000 BC, and the Near East since 4th century BC.
11. Turks - Turkic speakers, unrelated to Arabs in every way, originally Mongoloids from Central Asia, arrived in 10th century AD
12. Turcomans - See Turks
13. Azeris - See Turks
14. Yazidis - Indo European speakers, Similar to Kurds
15. Shabakis - Indo European speakers, Similar to Kurds
16. Georgians - Kartvelian speakers, non Arabs
17. Iranians/Persians - Indo European speakers, extant for 3000 years, non-Arab
18. Qawilyah/Roma - Gypsies, originating in India, non Arabs
19. Samaritans - See Middle Eastern Jews
20. Mhallami - Pre Arab Semitic Muslims of Aramean stock
21. Circassians - speakers of a Nortwest Caucasian language, migrants to Mid East, not Arabs
22. Maltese - Of largely mixed North African, Mid Eastern and South European heritage  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.12.105 (talk) 05:07, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-Arabs labelled as Arabs?

message: I believe there is a not negligible number of Arabs of Palestinian origin, who migrated directly from Israel or via the surrounding Arab countries. I know there are large Palestinian populations in Detroit and in New Jersey. Many identify specifically as Palestinians.
Don't they deserve some mention? --Ravpapa (talk) 09:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Palestinians? 

message: Hello user:ArabAmazigh12, i don't understand your explanation, there's an official source  of United States Census Bureau that supports a different number. This is also the case in the stats and the sources in the body of the article. You can't change it just because you think it's wrong, please do not do so unless you provide reliable sources that support your claim and counter the other one. Infantom (talk) 13:38, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Arab Americans 

message: Substituted at 08:07, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: There are problems with the last paragraph of the intro:
"A number of peoples from predominantly Arab countries resident in the United States are not classified as Arabs, including; Assyrians (aka Chaldo-Assyrians) Berbers, Jews, Kurds, Turkmen, Azeris,Mandeans, Copts, Circassians, Shabaki, Armenians, Turks, Mhallami, Georgians, Yazidis, Balochs, Greeks, Iranians and Kawliya/Romani."
The list of "peoples from predominantly Arab countries" includes Armenians, Turkmen, Azeris, Turks, Georgians, Greeks, Armenians, Iranians. Those nationalities are not from predominantly Arab countries. What is meant by that paragraph? I think we should remove those nationalities from the list or make it clearer what is meant by that statement. Rybkovich (talk) 05:55, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro last paragraph 

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message: Is there any policy or guideline rationale for duplicating a list article in this article? Given that there is already a comprehensive :List of Arab Americans, I'll be moving any of the notables not already listed in the relevant list article from here, and only leaving the hatnote directing readers to the pertinent article. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant replication of notables list 

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message: This should not be listed above Arab American identity. The article is about Arab Americans, keep your politics aside. The second paragraph for the article should not be about non Arab Americans. I moved it below "Arab American identity" and politics, because it is political. And to move it to the other spot would simply be discriminatory towards Arabs, or people who have been Arabized/identify as Arabs. LebaneseBebe (talk) 08:15, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Non Arab Americans from Arab Countries

message: As there is a comprehensive list as List of Arab Americans, there is no need for so much duplication in an already long article Arab Americans. Once I have time, I will merge the two and keep it under List of Arab Americans only  werldwayd (talk) 21:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I have accomplished the task of merging all names and all categories avoiding duplication. From now on update names only in List of Arab Americans werldwayd (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: No need for duplication

message: About 3% of locals in Imperial County, California are of Arab descent, but many rather identify as Lebanese, Palestinian, Syrian and other. The Imperial Valley stretching into the Coachella Valley and Palo Verde Valley in the California desert attracted Arabian farmers a century ago (1910s-20s). I would say the largest Arab-American community though outside Detroit, Michigan is the Greater Los Angeles area of southern California: LA, Orange county, San Diego, Riverside-San Bernardino, Ventura, Santa Barbara and Bakersfield/Kern counties. 12.218.47.124 (talk) 20:34, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Arab Americans in California

message: Looks like it isn't going to happen. Doug Weller talk 15:02, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated section on MENA 

message: Traditionally Arab culture reckons descent through the father only. I think this tradition is irrational and offensive, and it's slowly changing (now in Egypt and all of North Africa you are considered ethnically Arab through matrilineal descent, at least under the law), but it's still relevant to cultural perception. Therefore, should we be including as "Arabs" anyone with Arab descent on the matrilineal line, without reference to secondary sources referring to them explicitly as Arab? GergisBaki (talk) 16:52, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: "Arabs" from matrilineal line

message: According to this page there are onoy 4 mentions of white word, bar 1 for unrelated race term. We dont know that the arab american can classified as either white or asian person due to geographical proximity. 2404:8000:1027:2C72:8867:3732:13EF:C444 (talk) 11:34, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are arab americans belong to white race? 

message: One of which isnt related to white race but white house. Can someone find the proof that arab american is categorized as white race? 103.195.58.114 (talk) 02:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only 4 mentions of arab