Talk:Royal Statistical Society

message: Usually you'd put the designator of chartered status followed by that of membership or fellowship of the society that awarded it e.g. 'CITP MBCS' or 'CMath FIMA'; so I don't see why 'CStat' (or 'GradStat) should make 'FSS' obsolete.  Moreover 'CSci' can be awarded by the RSS now, which surely requires 'FSS' after to show which society it came from.  I didn't change the article yet as perhaps someone is better informed than me about this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.34.20 (talk) 08:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the "old" rules or charter used to say that FSS was not to be used for commercial purposes (although I have seen it in books after author's names but perhaps that meant to in relation to consulting work). Unfortunately I have thrown out my paper copies of such stuff. Melcombe (talk) 15:09, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
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message: On 27 March 2010, Aa42john added "There was an earlier Benthamite London Statistical Society."
I don't think it's appropriate to include this sentence, or at least not as it stands.  Firstly, I hadn't heard about the earlier society, and a quick search hasn't thrown up any references, so the
entry doesn't seem to meet the wiki requirement of verifiability.  If Aa42john can meet this requirement, then the reference to an earlier society may be useful.  Secondly, I don't think
the "Benthamite" adjective is at all helpful.  What does this actually mean?  Is it simply that (Jeremy?) Bentham was a member, or was this society influenced by his philosophy, or is there some other meaning?
I'm happy to leave these as discussion points for a short while, but unless we can find a suitable reference and a less cryptic mention of Bentham, I propose to remove the sentence.   Eebkent (talk) 21:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Two web-pages http://studymore.org.uk/3_11.htm and http://www.stat.auckland.ac.nz/~iase/publications/2/Topic4a.pdf use "London Statistical Society" as an alternative form of "Statistical Society of London", without mentioning any earlier organisation. However the citation at http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2358336/Cite indicates a "London Statistical Society" existing in 1827, which is rather earlier than the 1834 start of forerunners of RSS. I also found this quote 
"Ever hear of the London Statistical Society? Not to be confused with the Statistical Society of London (tr. arr. T. Malthus, later to come over all Royal, etc), this was a 2-men +dog outfit which emerged from the late 1810s radical scene, on a mission to count the extent of Old Corruption. And a lot of other things, including: ‘the territorial extent and population, rental, taxation, finances, commerce, consumption, insolvency, pauperism, and crime, of the British Empire’.
Then the utilitarians stuck their oar in, and that was that. Powerful juj^h^H discourse, numbers.
Chris Williams"
at http://yorksranter.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/review-bad-medicine-doctors-doing-harm-since-hippocrates-david-wootton/ ...so there may be something in it.  HTH 193.62.153.194 (talk) 16:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

text: An on-line version of the 1827 book is at http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qC9HPSFSqvMC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false . This has "London Statistical Society" and 1827 on the original title page, but uses "Association" within the text. The Google headers refer to "Royal Statistical Society", which didn'y yet exist. 193.62.153.194 (talk) 11:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm no historian, but that reference to the 1827 book seems pretty conclusive to me, and I see no need to worry about the use of "Association" in the text.  I'm still uneasy about the "Benthamite" bit, but, apart from that, I think the sentence can stand, with 193.62.153.194's reference listed. Thanks to 193.62.153.194! Eebkent (talk) 14:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

text: For info, when I was searching, I saw that the 1827 publication was labelled as the 3rd Edition, but that the 2nd Edition dated 1825 I think (which can also be found online by searching on the title) did not have "London Statistical Society" on the front page or elsewhere. 193.62.153.194 (talk) 08:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And I have now found an additional reference: Wilcox, W.F. (1934) "Note on the chronology of statistical societies", JASA, 29, 418-420. The relevant bit says, for 1825, "A statistical society in London published Statistical Illustrations of the .... In 1827 it took the name of the London Statistical Society." However, it gives no direct source for this, but it does reference: Henninger, W (1934) "(translated title ?) National Statistical Societies", Allegemeines Statistiches Archiv, 34 (2). I guess this last would be in German. There is also an indication that something was in preparation at that time by the Hungarian Central Statistical Office, but it had not appeared by the time of the 1934 paper. 193.62.153.194 (talk) 14:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of earlier society 

message: I just tried following some of the links pointing to the RSS website (in reference 5) and they no longer seem to work.  The page that discourages the use of postnominal FSS is now http://www.rss.org.uk/site/cms/contentviewarticle.asp?article=495. I tried to change it but could only find the "reflist" inclusion and don't know where to find it.
87.127.30.135 (talk) 12:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to RSS website 

message: I see that user RSSadmin has removed the wheatsheaf from the RSS Wikipedia page, with no reason being given.   While I didn't put this image onto the page myself, I was sorry to see the abrupt change, and think the wheatsheaf should be restored in some way.  For many RSS members/fellows the wheatsheaf is an image which brings our history into focus, and it would be nice to see this recognised in the Wikipedia entry.  Note that a page on the RSS website is devoted to the wheatsheaf, and this logo (albeit in an updated form) still appears on several RSS publications.   
Rather than arrogantly undoing RSSadmin's change now, I'll hold fire for a few days, to see if any consensus emerges on the Talk page.   I hope that the logo can be restored (perhaps with a short explanatory para in the History section) soon. 
Eebkent (talk) 21:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's reasonable to have it in the article somewhere, perhaps in the 'History' section, but as it's not currently used as the Society logo it shouldn't be in the infobox (which is where it was). Qwfp (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting.. the "wheatsheaf page" is at  http://www.rss.org.uk/site/cms/contentviewarticle.asp?article=490 and doesn't mention use having been abandoned. Reprsentations of journals on the society and publisher's (Wiley) webpages still show the wheatsheaf. I suppose it would be good to include some info on the transition and on the contexts to which it applies. Melcombe (talk) 09:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Wheatsheaf 

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