Talk:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy/Archive 18

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All have done the exact same type of (ie redirect to Wayne Rooney) vandalism. It is very likely they all have this IP, anyone agree with me here? We could consider banning this IP.
My mistake!!! I read the backlog wrong, 141.157.169.200 did not commit any vandalism! A sharp eyed admin caught my mistake and unblocked the user fairly quickly. Still, someone needs to check user on this list of people, I know these are right.Hitokirishinji 10:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting IPs into google sometimes brings up interesting results.  - FrancisTyers 02:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Was this done by CheckUser? I can't recall finding it on the page. Then it again, it has a massive backlog. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 02:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, I did it just by checking what sort of changes were made. I hardly found it a coincidence that these all did the exact same type of vandalism to the page. I'm no admin so I have no special powers :) Hitokirishinji 10:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: This must be sockpuppetry as it is using the same IP. Anyway, can normal users like myself use the checkuser function? --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only Arb Commers have CheckUser. There is a page you can request to have it performed. NSLE (T+C) 08:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism, diferent user 

message: Because if they are it really should be stated in this article.--Greasysteve13 02:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think when Urrgg painted the image of an Ibex on the wall of his cave it caused outrage throughout the tribe. Depicting Ibex was forbidden you see, under the religious tenets of the Wuhgggg, the holy doctrine of the Gurggghh people. The tribe tried to torch Urrgg's cave, but fire hadn't been discovered, and caves don't burn, so in the end it all fizzled out. For a while though, it was pretty hairy back there. Graham 03:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I always thought that the [ox images] from Urrgg's tribe had a 'smoky' tint to them. LOL Netscott 03:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: We aren't really the ones to make that decision. — TheKMantalk 03:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is?--Greasysteve13 03:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one. This is personal opinion completely. joturner 03:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if I used the word noteworthy?.--Greasysteve13 04:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying they are the most noteworthy cartoons in history of mankind is sure to offend some Marvel fan boys. Also, this is still expressing a POV. - Ta bu shi da yu 09:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if I used the words widely known?--Greasysteve13 11:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are they more widely known than, say, Garfield? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know, and I suspect you don't, either... --Ashenai 14:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem isn't with the adjective—"controversial", "infamous", "noteworthy", "widely known" or anything else, it's with the adverb "most", because any adjective of that kind is unquantifiable in any kind of objective way. Vilcxjo 16:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia artciles use the word "controversal" all the time. I didn't think "most controversal" was any different.--Greasysteve13 03:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are these the most [[controversal]]/[[infamous]] cartoons in the history of mankind? 

message: The article should mention the fact that there has been a global hacking war going on to deface websites.  Jacoplane 03:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Not really, it's just that the image is Fair use, and there is a policy that such images cannot be included in templates. The image will remain in the article itself, just not in the template. Jacoplane 05:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: it's mentioned in the timeline (Cloud02 15:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hack war 

message: The page about the Dossier of Danish Muslim clerics touring the Middle East has been nominated for deletion. You can opine on the issue here: . Azate 05:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subarticle of this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: Our article intro states that it is the publishing in more than 30 countries that has lead to the unrest, or at least that is how I read it. But the protests are still mainly against Denmark, so is this not a conclusion that is drawn just a tad further than we can substantiate? DanielDemaret 07:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Please don't do this.  With the comment that was removed gone, the information it provided - that the BBC wasn't actually quoting us about the cartoon controversy - was also gone, leaving the discussion incomplete. Vashti 13:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleting comments from the talk page

message: So the popular internet cartoon Flem did their own version of the muhammad cartoons. Can we add that in to the article? ⇒ SWATJester  Ready  Aim  Fire! 14:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe that's like adding logs to the fire, though... @@ 惑乱 分からん 14:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't feel that to be a relevant objection... but I'm against including that bit of trivia, simply because it's not really noteworthy. --Ashenai 14:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is just a spinoff of this controversy. We can't add every single comment / drawing about this controversy. Just my 2 (euro)cents. --Valentinian 14:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dont see that it is very relevant to include in the article now, but I urge you ALL to download a copy each before they censure it/vandalise like they censured el fagr. THEN it will suddenly become relevant, even if we then can not use it without a reference, at least you will know what happened.DanielDemaret 15:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: the article is about the cartoons and the events Jyllands-Postens cartoons brought. (Cloud02 15:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other cartoons about muhammad 

message: Why were the two open letters from Jyllands-Posten removed?
They were apologies to the muslim world, and I think it is important to have such information on Wikipedia to help solve this conflict.
I translated the first open letter, which was published in danish and arabic, from danish to english, and posted it here.
The second letter which was published in english as well, was posted here as well.
If no one has any complaints, or good arguments of why not to put them on here, I'm going to repost the two open letters. --Akuen 15:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open Letters from Jyllands-Posten 

message: Maybe there should be a mention of the ties between the cultural editor of JP, Flemming Rose, and leading US anti-muslim propagandists like Daniel Pipes? 80.202.25.17 17:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the specific ties are relevant and close and you have a good source, then why not? Are they married? DanielDemaret 17:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: File it under conspiracy theory.  MX44 17:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I have a new meaning for Islamophobia, the irrational fear that someone is out to get Islam. Kyaa the Catlord 17:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  Would'nt that be islamonoia? (re: paranoia)  DanielDemaret 17:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it would be. It would have to be capitalized though. Kyaa the Catlord 17:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Suggests Islamanoia... to better correspond to Paranoia. :) Netscott 18:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flemming Rose and ties to US progandists 

message: Unfortunately, they're in Danish. But better than nothing. Maybe there is sombody interested enough to translate them to English and put them into the Dossier of Danish imams touring the Middle East section? I'm sure in a day or so they will be available in other languages anyways, but if sombody really can't wait, all the better.
The Danish translations are here: 
Azate 17:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this all? Looks like less than 43 pages.DanielDemaret 19:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Which section? Some of them were moved to seperate pages.  Kyaa the Catlord 18:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I remember that section too. And I can not find it anywhere now. This is disturbing. DanielDemaret 21:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Easily, if one can find it. Does anyone know where that section went to? One could look in the "history" tab. Perhaps you could look for it there, Mila?DanielDemaret 23:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, the deletion of this section without any discussion on the talk page is disturbing. I'm not convinced everything in the section deserved to be in the main article, and perhaps we could use a sub-article on the topic, but it shouldn't be deleted wholesale without some discussion. So I'll reinsert it. -- Avenue 09:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is further discussion in the "Rumours and misinformation" section below. -- Avenue 09:55, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translations of the Imam's 43 page dossier are available 

message: "The barrier to better Arab performance is not a lack of resources, concludes the report, but the lamentable shortage of three essentials: freedom, knowledge and womanpower. Not having enough of these amounts to what the authors call the region's three “deficits”. It is these deficits, they argue, that hold the frustrated Arabs back from reaching their potential—and allow the rest of the world both to despise and to fear a deadly combination of wealth and backwardness." Economist quoting Arab Muslim scholars WAS 4.250 19:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Context

message: #"At first, the agitation was limited to Denmark. Ahmed Akkari, 28, a Lebanese-born Dane, acts as spokesman for the European Committee for Honoring the Prophet, an umbrella group of 27 Danish Muslim organizations to press the Danish government into action over the cartoons. Mr. Akkari said the group had worked for more than two months in Denmark without eliciting any response. "We collected 17,000 signatures and delivered them to the office of the prime minister, we saw the minister of culture, we talked to the editor of the Jyllands-Posten, we took many steps within Denmark, but could get no action," Mr. Akkari said, referring to the newspaper that published the cartoons. He added that the prime minister's office had not even responded to the petition. Frustrated, he said, the group turned to the ambassadors of Muslim countries in Denmark and asked them to speak to the prime minister on their behalf. He refused them too. "Then the case moved to a new stage," Mr. Akkari recalled. "We decided then that to be heard, it must come from influential people in the Muslim world." The group put together a 43-page dossier, including the offending cartoons and three more shocking images that had been sent to Danish Muslims who had spoken out against the Jyllands-Posten cartoons. Mr. Akkari denied that the three other offending images had contributed to the violent reaction, saying the images, received in the mail by Muslims who had complained about the cartoons, were included to show the response that Muslims got when they spoke out in Denmark.In early December, the group's first delegation of Danish Muslims flew to Cairo, where they met with the grand mufti, Muhammad Sayid Tantawy, Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit and Amr Moussa, the head of the Arab League."After that, there was a certain response," Mr. Akkari said, adding that the Cairo government and the Arab League both summoned the Danish ambassador to Egypt for talks."
#"It was no big deal until the Islamic conference when the O.I.C. took a stance against it, said Muhammad el-Sayed Said, deputy director of the Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies in Cairo."
#"As leaders of the world's 57 Muslim nations gathered for a summit meeting in Mecca in December, issues like religious extremism dominated the official agenda. But much of the talk in the hallways was of a wholly different issue: Danish cartoons satirizing the Prophet Muhammad. [...] After that meeting, anger at the Danish caricatures, especially at an official government level, became more public. In some countries, like Syria and Iran, that meant heavy press coverage in official news media and virtual government approval of demonstrations that ended with Danish embassies in flames."
#"At the end of December, the pace picked up as talk of a boycott became more prominent. The Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, comprising more than 50 states, published on its Web site a statement condemning "the aggressive campaign waged against Islam and its Prophet" by Jyllands-Posten, and officials of the organization said member nations should impose a boycott on Denmark until an apology was offered for the drawings."
#"On Jan. 26, in a key move, Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador to Denmark, and Libya followed suit. Saudi clerics began sounding the call for a boycott, and within a day, most Danish products were pulled off supermarket shelves." http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/09/international/middleeast/09cartoon.html New York Times article: At Mecca Meeting, Cartoon Outrage Crystallized] WAS 4.250 19:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline

message: "The protests also allowed governments to outflank a growing challenge from Islamic opposition movements by defending Islam. [...] The Saudis did this because they have to score against Islamic fundamentalists [meaning other Islamic fundamentalists], said Mr. Said, the Cairo political scientist. Syria made an even worse miscalculation, he added, alluding to the sense that the protest had gotten out of hand. The issue of the cartoons came at a critical time in the Muslim world because of Muslim anger over the occupation of Iraq and a sense that Muslims were under siege. Strong showings by Islamists in elections in Egypt and the victory of Hamas in the Palestinian elections had given new momentum to Islamic movements in the region, and many economies, especially those in the Persian Gulf, realized their economic power as it pertained to Denmark." New York Times article: At Mecca Meeting, Cartoon Outrage Crystallized WAS 4.250 19:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mulim government motivations

message: Read http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2006/February/middleeast_February156.xml§ion=middleeast second paragraph from the end gidonb 20:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly, they lie about how the cartoons were published. Quote: "[the newspaper] published the upper half of some of the controversial cartoons, omitting any facial representations". I see plenty of faces here Rasmus (talk) 21:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, here they are admitting they published them on tuesday, nothing more than that WookMuff 22:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Depictions of Mohammad with facial expressions. It was also not the upper half, just a choice of the drawings. Somewhat sloppy journalism by this Dubai-based newspaper. A little apologetic too, but the important part fact is that is in there. That is more than what you'd expect in Damascus. gidonb 22:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Does anyone know the size of this newspaper? I mean, is it worldwide, or is just for some remote place? (Cloud02 23:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I noticed this article says they published them tuesday. Yet there's this guy on a blog who claims they posted it october last year?  .....Can someone actually CONFIRM when it was posted ? (Cloud02 23:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Egyptian newspaper El Fagr confirms it has published the cartoons

message: According to this source, back in December Pakisatini based group Jamaate-Islami reportedly placed a price of around €7,000, mistakenly upon the head of a "sole" cartoonist the believe responsible for all 12 cartoons. , Tom Spurgeon carried it, and also reports back in December that "A few observers have suggested the negative reaction to those cartoons established a precedent for more sustained and violent youth protests that followed in France and in other European countries in one of the bigger international news stories of 2005."  Sadly he doesn't document the sources.  Hiding  talk 21:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price on cartoonists head in December last year 

message: It is unusually peaceful tonight. Have we reached the end of the "current event" periode? Is it time to pick up all the confusing little pieces and make a solid article? MX44 21:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about you but I've seen 3 new requests today alone to remove the image so I haven't seen a calm today. Hitokirishinji 22:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking about external events. I have seen one proposal to remove a sculpture from Middlekerke, Belgium: http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=437604 Or perhaps they just thought it was ugly ... MX44 22:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There should to be some reference to the fact that some European newspapers which published the Cartoons were in a bad situation financially: 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060209/ap_on_re_eu/prophet_drawings_profits
86.52.36.140 23:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That might be, but it is not really relevant in the Danish case. Jyllands-Posten is Denmark's biggest newspaper. Weekend Avisen, which published the satire over the Jyllands-Posten images, is a much smaller newspaper, but it is read by many intellectuals (no big player on the market, but owned by Berlingske Officin which is a major player.) I don't think Weekend Avisen planned on selling more papers because of its article, since it is not very easily available. --Valentinian 23:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of Story? 

message: I couldn't see in the article that about 2500 Danish signed an online declaration stating that, 'JP should appoligize and they want peace with Muslims'. JP also puplished a new version of their appology. Will these be included? Resid Gulerdem 22:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this mean the countries in which criminals burned embassies and people were killed will also apologise?-- Nomen Nescio 22:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The people who were killed were not Danish. They were poor muslims in Afghanistan and such trying to protest. And your conperison is nonsense: What I am saying is, will the news I mentioned above be included in the article? Ask if they will apologize to them. And add to the article when they do! It should be hard for you to see what I am saying... I can see you mentality. Resid Gulerdem 23:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: why dont you begin a protest calling for the governments where the embassies have been burned to apologize... wait.. the governments ALREADY DID!!!! In fact, the interior minister of Lebanon withdrew because of it! And like the guy above me already said. Those who died, were their own citizes, why on earth should they apologize if their own citizens were killed? Now even if it weren't their own citizens, why should they apologize? I dont see USA or the Coalition apologizing to the International community for killing people each day(Cloud02 23:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: If the group that launched the online declaration is notable enough, then it might be included. But I doubt it. And I'm also not impressed by the number. 2,500 people signing a petition on such an important issue, on a population of 5.4 million with virtually everyone having internet access doesn't really seem much to me. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 23:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...also given the fact that for a party capable of mounting a cyberterror attack against ~900 web sites, stuffing an online ballot box is a trivial task. Weregerbil 23:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, because all the Arabs in the Middle East suddenly learned Danish. (Cloud02 23:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely not all Arabs have to learn Danish to stuff a simple ballot box. There are Danish-speaking arabs in Denmark, quite probably elsewhere too. I could stuff an online ballot box in three or four languages myself ("could" = technically, not in reality as my conscience would not allow it.) Weregerbil 23:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 2.500 are not that many, but the number was obtained in a very short time (something like 24 hours). In addition, more than 6.000 have added a greeting to the Muslims, and their names are Danish. Remember also that we have seen reporting based on rumors that only a few blockheads threatened to burn the Qu'ran. Personally, I could not sign the letter because it set forth some demands I do not support (and I stronglly object to the notion that looking at the picture is equal to "looking down upon" or having disrespect for Muslims and their faith). I still appreciate the site's attempt to show to the world and to all sensible Muslims that the overwhelming majority of Danes are not anti-Muslims (should anybody have doubted that). Many apologies for this un-editorial remark... --Sir48 00:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the petition has been online for that little time with so little subscriptions, I don't think it should be included. If it remains online for some time and gains a substantial amount of signings in that time, then it can be included. But I think we have to hold off on that for now. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 10:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  The link to the site (in English) is http://www.anotherdenmark.org/ --Sir48 01:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: This should definitely included too. Can an editor could incorporate this into the article please? Resid Gulerdem 02:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2500 Danish for a different Danmark. 

message: Blue is where cartoons have been printed. Red is where violent protests have taken place, this is just preliminary, any feedback is appreciated. Hitokirishinji 23:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any thoughts on making it a world-wide map? — TheKMantalk 23:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Hang on, were the cartoons not published in New Zealand? gidonb 23:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would make two maps. One which showed the countries in which the cartoons have been published on a world map. The second could be of the protest on a map of Europe, Africa and Asia. --Maitch 23:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that is the best idea! My detailed comments refer only to the protest map. gidonb 23:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I realize that I may have left out some countries but simply because the map would be hard to read if it was really worldwide. If anyone can get me a blank world map that's fairly large (larger than 1280 pixels) with lines outlining the countries, I'd be glad to do it. Hitokirishinji 23:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Try :Image:BlankMap-World.png. — TheKMantalk 23:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The map should be global since there were burnings of the flag in Nigeria, and protests in Indonesia and as far away as New Zealand. But if you only count deaths, I think the map is a fair representation.86.52.36.140 00:02, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Danish embassy in Iran has been attacked with Molotov-cocktails. In addition, countries with major demonstrations could be indicated in a different colour. --Sir48 01:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Danskjävlar!--Ezeu 00:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Erm translation please? Anyways, thanks for the map KMan, this will work. I will work on it over the weekend and maybe a bit more today but I will keep you folks updated. I plan to make it hopefully decently extensive but if anyone has any ideas, throw em on here or on my talk page if it gets too crowded. Hitokirishinji 00:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It means Danish Devils. It is a strongly offensive Swedish term. Ezeu apparently hates my people. --Valentinian 00:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Pretty much anything Ghandi wouldn't approve of. Actaully I was thinking buildings burned and people killed but I hadn't originally considered flag burning. I suppose that's not an entirely peaceful thing. Hitokirishinji 00:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Forbannade danskar. Translation: good golly danes. --Ezeu 00:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No Ezeu! It means DAMN DANES! Stop inserting Swedish derogatory terms towards my people! --Valentinian 00:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The correct translation must be Damned Danes. But be careful not to disclose our views regarding the Swedes... :-) --Sir48 01:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, Ghandi wouldn't approve of railroads among other things :-) but I'm not sure if he would approve of boycotts.  Is Saudi Arabia RED or WHITE?Dmaftei 00:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't designated a color for "peaceful" protests just yet. But I'd classify boycotts as peaceful, as least no property is destroyed and no one is physically hurt. I figured this might get kinda complicated... Hitokirishinji 00:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pink Dmaftei 00:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also why the decision to invert the red/blue? In Nato wargaming the agressive party is red, while the defensive party is blue. I think it is clear who were the offensive party here. 86.52.36.140 00:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: There were also peaceful demonstrations in Israel.  gidonb 01:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Israel/Occupied Gaza and West Bank, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Georgia (country), Bosnia-Herzegovina just off the top of my head where there've been protests. NSLE (T+C) 02:04, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it's problematic to describe the protests in UK as "peaceful" just because no one was killed and no buildings were burned. People were carrying placards promising another 7/7, saying Europe would be forced to kneel before the Mujahideen, calling for the beheading of those who supported the cartoons, et cetera. Certainly here people have contrasted our protestors with "peaceful" protestors elsewhere. Babajobu 02:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  I thought about that too actually Baba. I've been pondering what to do. At this point I'm not sure exactly because it seems like people will be taking issue with whatever color I choose. So I'm going to make it this, one color for countries that printed, one color for countries that had protests, mix the colors for countries that had both and in very notable protests, I will simply just write a damn box or something. Anyone have any better ideas? The blue and red simply was just on a whim. Red usually seems a more "violent" color you could say. It had nothing to do with any bias towards a group of people...and I didn't know anything about Nato wargames. If it makes anyone feel better, I'll do green and yellow instead...or purple. Hitokirishinji 03:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't write a damn box.  Blue for published, red for protest, mix for both.  I don't see why WP should use NATO wargames convensions.Dmaftei 04:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Eh? I see Babajobu's point... but, well... let's just use objective markers.  Countries with protests with greater than 1,000 people or something and countries with newspapers of X circulation that have published it.  Sound good-ish?
The cartoons were also printed in Yemen, in the Yemen Observer. The paper was closed by the government after printing the cartoons. See also Jawa Report and Yemen Times editorial.
Thank you for doing that map! Consider a rainbow scale of colours, where the more violent the event, the hotter (more red) it gets. It would give more info, and be prettier :) DanielDemaret 09:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll second Daniel's suggestion. This map is a great idea. --Valentinian 10:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great idea, we need a map to illastrate where the cartoons were published and where there were demonstration. A world map would be better, as some countries outside Middle East and Europe published the cartoon. I agree to Daniel's idea of the colours which will give readers  a more detailed map. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 11:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I like the idea as well, however you might want to shade Turkey and Pakistan as Red now... :) --Scaife 11:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's very problematic to do this. What do countries have to do with this? In the US, one paper published them, all the others didn't. Does this lead to the "whole country" having published it? Azate The same goes for coloring countries with minor demonstations. Did the "whole country" riot? Azate 16:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could put a number in each country to indicate how many newspapers published the cartoons but of course there will be a disclamier to check the actaul list. And the "whole country riot" thing is going to be asessed by a sliding scale like I said, the shades will be different for different number of rioters. If you think you have a better solution, please feel free to post it. In general though, I like these guidelines at the moment and would prefer to settle on them so I don't have to constantly remake the map everytime someone finds something offensive or wrong. Hitokirishinji 16:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I think you are doing a fine job - now just get it up to date and on the article!Robovski 02:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MAP UPDATED