Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Archive 2006

message: Is it enough to add my name/interests?
--Lou Crazy 00:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yes! Welcome aboard! :) --Naha|(talk) 15:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do I join? 

message: *added  to Sea Badge. Bduke 21:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions

message: I think we have a systemic problem of conflating Scouting with the BSA. For example, the first half of the scoutmaster article is clearly referring to the BSA, though this isn't stated. Only in the middle of the article is the disclaimer "Some Scout Associations use different terms for these positions." The article then has a section about South Africa and a link to Poland, implying that the information above is generic to all forms of Scouting. I think one of the goals of this project should be making sure articles are clear about whether they are referring to the BSA or other Scouting organizations, or about Scouting in general. -- Scott eiπ 21:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a go at the Scoutmaster page, making a general section and a BSA section and that added a UK section and an Australia section. What do you think? Maybe this page should be retitled ('moved') to Leaders in Scouting and altered to deal with all sections on an equal basis and add something about leaders above the Troop or Group - in UK, District Scout Leaders, etc and District Commissioner, County Commissioner, Field Commissioner etc. Lots of other pages have the same problem. For example, the Rover Scouts page has far too much on BSA Rovers compared with other countries where Rovering has been much more important than in the USA. --Bduke 22:07, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a great idea, and I support it.  Do bear in mind, as the largest English-speaking Scout association, on the English-language 'pedia, you're going to find a _lot_ like that. Chris 23:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll second that idea, though it should be Adult leaders in Scouting, since there are youth leaders too. -- Scott eiπ 01:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

text: There are, I feel, TOO MANY adult jobs to include in one page, UNLESS, you have subarticles.  Yes, we want to include ALL Scouting, not just BSA. Rlevse 19:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but how many of those jobs are notable?  How many can we treat with just a quick blurb? -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 20:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you limit yourself to the BSA, not that many, but if you encompass the worldwide movement, LOTS.  How this is handled should be settled before going much further.  You may want to add this to the "decisions to be made" section of the TODO page. Rlevse 22:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not think it is the job of wikipedia to give information about every adult position in Scouting. At some point the reader has to go to the appropriate manuals of the appropriate Association in the country concerned. However, I do think that people want to see a comparision of the way adult leadership is handled in different countries and an explanation of the terms used. I think we should go ahead and rename the page Adult leaders in Scouting. There should be a general introduction and then articles on different Associations or countries. If it all gets too large we can hive off new articles such as Adult leaders in Scouting (Europe), Adult leaders in Scouting (Americas), Adult leaders in Scouting (Asia), etc., or even go down to country articles. The problem of size can be handled when we meet it. --Bduke 22:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Distinction between Scouting and the BSA

message: I did some editing on the Girl Scouts of America artical, I am a senior Girl Scout and think that I can make some valuable contributions to that and other pages concerning girl scouting.  I also would like to make a Girl Scouting userbox and a wikiproject scouting userbox, but I'm not very good at that and not really sure how.  
Griz 02:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, we need more people helping on the girl side of the program.  We'll move the project box to main Wiki soon, remind me. Rlevse 03:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GSUSA

message: We need a userbox saying we are in WikiProject Scouting. I looove userboxes. Right now I have 63. I didn't just join for the userbox though. I like Scouts. We still need a userbox though. schyler 03:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to get the hat a bit bigger in the left box, but it is only slightly larger than where I got it from. If you can fix this before putting it in the userbox area, I think that would be good. --Bduke 12:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try it now. Rlevse 22:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. It is still a little bit higher than the Wood Badge userbox, but I can live with it. See the two together on my user page. --Bduke 22:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: I have added articles for Scouting in Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands and Vanuata which means that the template for Members of the Asia-Pacific Scout Region now shows no 'red' links. The links from the template and from Gallery of Scout and Guide national emblems are differently worded so I have done redirect pages. For example Solomon Islands branch of The Scout Association and Scouting on the Solomon Islands both work.
However, I want to raise a point. Many of the small Pacific states do not have their own Scout Association. They are looked after by a larger Association. For example the Solomon Islands is looked after by the UK Scout Association. Others are looked after by the USA and New Zealand. This must be a sensitive issue for some in an independant state. We need to be sensitive about how the article describes this link and of course make sure our facts are always correct. --Bduke 23:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent points.  I'm glad you are knowledgeable in this area.  I also moved the Gallery's category to "Scout logos" so these images are all under one parent cat.  There are hundreds of images directly under "Scout logos", but only the Galley is an article.  Cleaning this up (much of it is duplicated and the independent images could be better organized) is on the TODO page.Rlevse 23:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made a new category for such Scouting organizations and added the Solomons one to it.  Please see the RulesStandards page or the category itself. Rlevse 00:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Members of the Asia-Pacific Scout Region

message: Studio 2B is no longer an artical stub and no longer needs cleaned, I edited it to include more on the program, the benefits for girls in the program, and added the reasons for the contraversy and why it is so greatly disliked by many girl scouts in our nation as it was seen at the national conference.
Griz 20:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Studio 2B]]

message: Name it: AIM, Yahoo, ICQ, MSN - I use them all, even IRC.  I've noticed that a lot of us in the Scouting Project seem to be online at the same times and often editing the same articles etc, and (at least I find) its annoying to try to have a conversation with someone regarding what should be done about x or y by posting back and forth and back and forth.  While this message-board/forum style system does have its advantages (gives you more time to think about your answers/comments before you reply or comment), sometimes I just wish I could talk to you guys about something more quickly.
So, I was wondering if it would be appropriate to either (a) share Instant Messenger information so we could talk to each other one-on-one and/or (2) set up an IRC channel/chatroom (something like #Wiki-Scouting on one of the various IRC networks, undernet, dalnet, webnet whatever) where we can ALL talk together about the Project. If important decisions were made in this manner (off of Wikipedia), we could log the conversations and post the "minutes" on a subpage of the Scouting project for permanent reference/citing/etc.  I'm more than willing to try to cooridainte something like this and set up/register a channel if we went that route.  Basically, I have  cable-Internet, my IMs are always connected and I can always be contacts through them if I'm at home (heh or even if I'm not in some cases - so its a convenience thing) Thoughts? --Naha|(talk) 19:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good idea.  I've thought of sharing email addresses too.  However, I have never used IM, so I'd have to be educated.  Plus, I REFUSE to use anything that has ANYTHING to do with AOL (includig AIM). email me anytime (I've turned it on for you guys; I usually have it off). Rlevse 00:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe, I hear ya about AIM. I just have an account because its the easiest way to contact several of my friends online.  For instant messengers, I prefer ICQ.  But the more I think about it, I think an IRC channel might be the way to go, because everyone can be in the channel and talk together at the same time.  Anyone else have input on this idea? --Naha|(talk) 04:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Still wondering if anyone else wants me to set this up and might find it helpful? --Naha|(talk) 01:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Instant Messenger Communication

message: I have just added this page, which lists all UK Chief Scouts including B-P who was Chief Scout of the World, and later Chiefs who were Chief Scout of the Empire, Commonwealth, etc (various titles were used). I draw this to everyone's attention so "Chief Scout" on many pages can now be made into a link, and also so maybe the three Chiefs without their own page can have those written. I note in passing that the 2nd Chief Scout, Lord Somers, does have a page, but until today it did not mention he was Chief Scout! --Bduke 02:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just make it just Chief Scout and we can update the page with different counties Chiefs instead of Chief Scout (United Kingdom), Chief Scout (Ireland) etc etc... Ablaze 11:00, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think, this would be quite a mess; I prefer country-oriented pages, since they fit better to categories. --jergen 11:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: agree with Jergen-country articles (especially outside of the dozen or so big ones) are the best place to look up specific information on one's own national Scouting.Chris 18:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Chief Scout (United Kingdom)]]

message: I am currently attending a merit badge college to finish up some incomplete requirements for some merit badges I need for eagle. I thaught it would be a good idea to make an article on this. Is this already an article? Is it as widespread as I think it is? Is It worthy to be an article? Thanks. schyler 00:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, these are fairly common.  I do not know if they are held in countries outside the USA.  I do not think it warrants a separate article, but rather should be a subsection of Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America). Rlevse 00:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Can it not be added to another page on Merit Badges? It would only be a brief stub otherwise and we have too many of those. I see I am agreeing with Rlevse who has added a comment as I edited. --Bduke 00:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good so far, going to need a source for the information if possible. --Naha|(talk) 14:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: There isn't really a source for the information. I wrote what I have experienced. schyler 13:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing about this can be found on Google?  Even if your info. is correct, it's best to not make it look like original research. --Myles Long/cDc 20:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  merit badge college 

message: I am wondering whether we are overdoing by putting the Portal link on every article where we have seen fit to add the Wikiproject template to the talk page. The Boys Brigade, for example, might not appreciate this (I have no problem about them included in Scouting Categories). Other cases that concern me are people. For example Charles Maclean of Duart, Baron Maclean was Lord Chamberlain, which is effectively the Speaker of the House of Lords - equivalent to the Vice-President's role in the US Senate. This is rather more important than that he was a Chief Scout. It will be interesting to see whether any of these Portal links are removed, or whether anyone outside the Scouting Project objects. --Bduke 02:32, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I have been thinking over this myself the last day or so.  I think the portal link should only be on "main" scouting pages, if that makes sense...not every single tiny thing.  I feel that Category links on article pages and Project notices on the talk page are sufficient for small (not insignificant) but ..articles of ...lesser importance?  I also don't think the Portal link  should be on pages where the person's main involvement/main drift of the article is not related to Scouting, per the above mentioned example.  We just don't want to overdo it :) --Naha|(talk) 05:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen anyone remove it yet, that I've noticed, but on one article they did move it down into the Scouting section of the article.  Works for me.   Also consider, that the Boys Brigade or whomever, might get offended if we did NOT include them.  I think that if they objected to being in the project, they'd have removed the template by now, and no one has that I'm aware of.  On the other hand, I do see where you're coming from.  If anyone removes the template or portal link, we'll leave it that way. I've moved the portal link on the Baron's stub into the stub area (he has two stub notices on his article). The category and project links do not notify people we have a portal, they'd have to dig for it.  This provides a way for them to easily see what we have going on.Rlevse 11:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am more than happy with that. However, just to clarify. I am sure the Boys Brigade want to be in the project, but that does not necessarily mean they want the Scouts Portal link on their page. The project covers Scouting and related organisations, but the Portal might be seen as being just Scouts and Guides. --Bduke 11:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The only reason I hadn't removed any is because I wanted to discuss it first :P But I'm satisfied with this.  I'll leave them be unless there is consensus to remove them or move them to a specific section of an article. --Naha|(talk) 14:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both the portal and project headers clearly state that we are not just Scouts and Guides, that we include all Scouting. And again, if anyone wants to remove the portal tag, it won't bug me.  On a different note, I'm 90% done adding the portal tag, so it's kind of late to turn back; plus, I've found many Scouting articles that weren't in the project, didn't even have the template, had wrong categories, missing region templates, etc.  It's been a time consuming but productive evolution. Rlevse 12:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: You are doing an outstanding job :) --Naha|(talk) 14:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll second that. --Bduke 20:40, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portal Link

message: Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? I noticed your list of FAs, are there any others? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores Talk 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project 

message: What started as an edit war by someone outside of Scouting WP has grown into a personal attack on me on Scouting. WOSM has guidelines on how and when countries are acceptable and when not, I am sure they are copied somewhere, meanwhile I am trying to keep the damned thing NPOV. I am already burning out on the Wikipedia due to all the smallmindedness, and recent attacks of late because of my doing what we had already discussed and established are just about to chase me off entirely. Would someone please back me up here and take some of the burden off of me personally on this one? For the love of B-P, I'm calling for assistance pronto. YiS, Chris 02:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, chill. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 03:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war on [[Scouting]]

message: Can we close off the debate on Template talk:User Scout-former about effectively deleting this template, although of course it has not actually been put up for deletion. Some people wanted to use it to express dissagreement with BSA on their stand against gays, but a new userbox for this was created. Since then the debate has calmed down and the consensus is "Keep". Can we just add to the bottom of the debate that the Scouting Project is not going to propose the deletion of this template? --Bduke 21:26, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a merge expert, but I think you can and then remove the appropriate merge headers. Rlevse 21:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template:User Scout-former

message: The 1916 Act of congress did not create any copyright interests because the Constitution specifies that copyrights may only be granted for "limited times," and the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) do not claim any copyrights, using the registered trademark (R) symbol alone in conjunction with their logo, and not the (C) symbol.
U.S. law protects the use of trademarks by nonowners for purposes of criticism and commentary.  First Amendment considerations override any expressive, noncommercial use of trademarks. "The Constitution is not offended when the [Maine] antidilution statute is applied to prevent a defendant from using a trademark without permission in order to merchandise dissimilar products or services. ... The Constitution does not, however, permit the range of the antidilution statute to encompass the unauthorized use of a trademark in a noncommercial setting such as an editorial or artistic context." (emphasis added) L.L. Bean, Inc. v. Drake Pubs., Inc., 811 F.2d 26, 31, 33 (1st Cir. 1987). 
Similarly, the Federal Trademark Dilution Act of 1995 does not apply to the "noncommercial use" of a famous mark. 15 U.S.C. 1125(c)(4)(B). The U.S. Supreme Court has defined "commercial speech" as "speech which ... propose[s] a commercial transaction." Virginia Pharmacy Ed. v. Virginia Citizens Consumer Council, Inc., 425 U.S. 748, 762 (1976).
The only limit on that right is whether someone might think that the commentary was produced by the trademark owner, and this limit is explicity defined in reference to Boy Scouts.  "[A]n author certainly would have a First Amendment right to write about the subject of the Boy Scouts and/or Girl Scouts. However, this right is diluted by trademark law insofar as that author cannot present her subject in a manner that confuses or misleads the public into believing, through the use of one or more trademarks, that those organizations have produced or sponsored the work in question." (emphasis added) Girl Scouts of the United States v. Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc., 808 F. Supp. 1112 at 1121, n. 12 (S.D.N.Y. 1992.) --James S. 15:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever the case, that means that  isn't accurate all the time. This photo may deserve a different tag, but it can't be labeled "fair use" if it's to stay in templates and user pages. — Rebelguys2 talk 16:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: U.S. trademark law

message: I contacted Chris, who created an alternative image located at :Image:GreenGold.png, which he licensed under GFDL. It not only contains a fleur-de-lis, but it is superimposed over a trefoil for the Girl Guides and does not contain an English-speaker-only rocker reading "Be Prepared." What does everyone think of the new image? If it works, we should replace the improperly used fair use image. Thanks, Chris! — Rebelguys2 talk 07:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's also created two more alternatives: :Image:Scoutsgreengold1.jpg and :Image:Scoutsgreengoldnoscroll.jpg. — Rebelguys2 talk 08:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: That's what I meant, the interior would stay white.  Then if we go that route, the green border trefoil would need to have enough contrast with the background color of what we use it on, which is mainly the portal and project template. This may not turn out well, but I'd like you to try it for a look see when you get a chance and show us the results. Rlevse 14:58, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also remember that transparent PNGs don't work in IE-- your background is always white there.  --CannotResolveSymbol talk 21:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah!  No wonder: I normally use FireFox, but I see the problem when I use IE.  Guess I'll switch to a .GIF. Thanks! --Gadget850 ( Ed) 22:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternative image

message: This user is a member of the Scouting WikiProject.
	This user is a member of the Scouting WikiProject.
	This user is a member of the Scouting WikiProject.
	This user is a member of the Scouting WikiProject.
	This user is a member of the Scouting WikiProject.
	This user is a member of the Scouting WikiProject.
	This user is a member of the Scouting WikiProject.
	This user is a member of the Scouting WikiProject.
This is a .PNG version with transparency.  I took the liberty of changing the ScoutingWikiProject template to use this. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:28, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I meant, the interior would stay white.  Then if we go that route, the green border trefoil would need to have enough contrast with the background color of what we use it on, which is mainly the portal and project template. This may not turn out well, but I'd like you to try it for a look see when you get a chance and show us the results. Rlevse 14:58, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also remember that transparent PNGs don't work in IE-- your background is always white there.  --CannotResolveSymbol talk 21:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah!  No wonder: I normally use FireFox, but I see the problem when I use IE.  Guess I'll switch to a .GIF. Thanks! --Gadget850 ( Ed) 22:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transparent

message: *  - what needs to be placed in the info box?evrik 20:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We haven't decided yet.  I'm moving this to the bottom of the talk page, which we keep in date order. Rlevse 22:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting&curid=3772830&diff=53172201&oldid=53169432
--evrik 13:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Someone created it.  It also is dupe listed on the Todo page.  To look at the person's proposed box, go to the Todo page and click on the link. (It's the first one under "Project-related". Rlevse 14:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: Is there a list of famous Scouts? This was just added to the Cradle of Liberty page.evrik 17:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The List of Eagle Scouts is the closest.  There is no article on non-Eagles who were famous but Scouts. Rlevse 18:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Famous Scouts

message: Note that this is up for deletion. I have taken a truncated part of the article and added it to Asia-Pacific Scout Region. I think this appropriate and the article can and should be deleted. --Bduke 23:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Youth involvement in the Asia-Pacific Scout Region]]

message: Has anyone seen the language written on the controversies portion of the Cradle of Liberty page? evrik 20:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just looked at it, but I don't get your point by leaving this notice as you're the one who apparently wrote it.  Pls. explain. Rlevse 11:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cradle of Liberty

message: This article has been recreated after being deleted after AfD. It is now prod'ed for deletion again. Are USA participants aware of what is going on here? --Bduke 10:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know this was recreated, but we want it deleted.  There are hundreds of OA lodges, and this lists only 3.  We're working on grouping them by state (my understanding at least).  Thanks for letting us know. Rlevse 10:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of BSA local Order of the Arrow (OA) lodges]]

message: I have added the above article. This takes care of the small amount of usefull information in 24th Glasgow (Bearsden) Scout Group which has been prod'ed for deletion and the original author has not responded to me. I was able to add information about two other interesting groups and something about this Scout Area in general. --Bduke 02:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work! Rlevse 11:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Scouting in Greater Glasgow]]

message: For an organization with millions of members, some of whom must have earned the photography merit badge or similar, we are doing a remarkably poor job of uploading images to the commons. Even counting the drawings of polish awards, and the multiple headshots of Robert Baden-Powell, we have less than 20 images there.  Only one shows a tent.  None show a campfire.  None shows scouts hiking, or orienteering or cooking or performing a ceremony or....  We are not doing a good job of representing scouting!  If you have photos you can upload, please do so.  If you find relevant photos here under a free license (not fair use) please move those over to the commons as well. Putting them on the commons makes them available for all languages of Wikipedia. Johntex\talk 03:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images needed - bounty offered!

message: I have cleared up a confusion with Scouting sections and Section (Scouting). The latter was proposed for merge into the former, while the former was proposed for merge into the Scout Association. The former is a UK page so this is appropriate and consensus has been reached to do it. I have done that merge. The latter is an international page in that it does not mention UK Scouting but it has the flavour of UK Scouting. So, do we expand it to make a good international article or delete it? --Bduke 22:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say merge Section (Scouting) into Scouting.  It's pretty generic and short as it is. Rlevse 23:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I thought of that just after writing the above comment. I'll put merge tags on later. I'm about to go for a train into town. --Bduke 00:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Section (Scouting)]]

message: This is up for deletion and deservably so. Perhaps a bit of it can be saved in some BSA Kansas article. Up to you BSA guys. --Bduke 08:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is pure vanity.  I wouldn't even save it in a Kansas article. Rlevse 11:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Troop 26 and ‎Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Troop 34. Chris 00:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just marked Troop 963 for deletion. Rlevse 00:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Troop 449]]

message: This is up for deletion. I agree, but there is some usefull stuff here and surely someone can save it somewhere else. Sure, it is a mess. I think it is Malaysia. Where to put it? --Bduke 10:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Maylasia aritcle is Persekutuan_Pengakap_Malaysia.  I'll move appropriate stuff there if you don't want to. Rlevse 11:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I want someone who knows what they are doing to move stuff. I'm not sure either of us know about this. --Bduke 11:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we have a Maylasia specialist, if that's what you mean.  Actually moving stuff is easy. Rlevse 11:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pleasae have a go. I need to collapse into bed and we are off on a day trip tomorrow. --Bduke 11:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[8th Georgetown (South) Sea Scout Group]]

message: Wasn't there supposed to be a vote for April's montly colaboration already? Or am I missing something?Griz 01:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody bothered to vote, only nominate (see Portal:Scouting/Current collaboration candidates) and I had 4 to pick from, so I picked one.  Two cycles back was BP, then Juliette Low (GSUSA), now Philmont (BSA).  I'd like to have an international one next month, but we'll see.  I know you nominated Studio 2b, and I'm sure we'll have it up there before too many more cycles. Rlevse 02:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: PS most of the portal topics don't even have things nominated, I have to pick them on my own. Rlevse 02:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't there anything we can do to incourage voting and help with editing? Griz 18:44, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried, but it is all volunteer and I'm glad to get any help at all. Rlevse 23:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We should start a small campaign to try to talk to people via talk pages to inspire intrest, show them what we are doing.  Maybe make a template for the top of nominated articles to bring attention to them, Star Wars wiki project does this.  Any suggestions?  Griz 00:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Colaboration

message: There are now two articles for this section. Beavers (Scouting) is the general international article and it needs expanding to indicate where a name other than Beaver is used. Beaver Scouts is a UK Scouting article. I have fixed a lot of links but please look out for others, particularly those international pages that might be pointing to the UK article. --Bduke 23:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Beaver Scouts

message: Just a callout for photographs of UK Scouting - ideas for subjects:
* camping
* older photos of uniforms, etc
* activities
I have a number of photos of active Explorer Scouts (ie, not on parade), and might be able to get some others - please remember not to name anyone who is under 18 in the pictures, and to get permission of the copyright owner first. Horus Kol 15:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Photos Wanted 

message: This fellow wants to delete a whole bunch of the smaller Scouting country articles. Chris 17:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: STRONGLY ENCOURAGE VOTING ON THIS. Rlevse 18:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scouting in Vatican City]] and other smaller countries

message: If you are interested in collecting, take a look at this. It has NO links and NOTHING links to it! Someone needs to work on this or put it up for AfD. --Bduke 10:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The use who created it, Scouttrader, has nothing on his talk or user page.  I haven't seen that name before.  I also haven't heard of that org before, but I do belong to ISCA.  I'll add this to our Todo page. Rlevse 11:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. It is a real mess, but maybe something can be saved. I never was into badge collecting, so I really can not help. --Bduke 22:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is clearly a vanity page.  See also Deryl Radder and http://profiles.yahoo.com/scoutrader. I know this is not a vote yet, but I'd say delete. Zaian 08:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't object to a delete on this, but for now, I've added verify, importance, and wikify tags to it, just as the Radder article has. Rlevse 10:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've now nominated both of these for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scouting Collectors Society and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deryl Radder. Zaian 21:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  They have both been deleted after unanimous votes, and with no comment from the author. Zaian 08:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Scouting Collectors Society]]

message: Needing relaxation, I was moved to create this userbox for Queen's Scouts. Something for the Brits, Aussies and Kiwis and others. What do you think? It is not created in template space yet. 
	This user is a Queen's Scout.
--Bduke 10:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it, but the image logo says the it may be copyrighted.  Also, fair use images are not supposed to be used in userboxes, which is why we had to create our own image for use in the Eagle Scout box vice using the Eagle Scout rank badge.  I'd suggest either elaborating on your legal right to use it or finding something clearly ok for userboxes.  I wouldn't object to the logo you have, but there are Wikipedians who worry about such things (image tags, category names, etc). Rlevse 10:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Guess you are right. I'll work on it over the weekend. --Bduke 13:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Queen's Scout userbox

message: I'm not quite sure how to make a userbox, if I did I would have made this one long ago.  There are boxes for Boyscouts, Queen's scouts, and Eagle scouts, but nothing for Girl scouts and Girl scout gold award winners.  If someone would be willing to show me how to make userboxes I could do it, or if somebody else wants to do it or collaborate on it.  Any thoughts on this?
Griz 14:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually quite easy.  I have created two new Userboxes:  Girl Scout, and Girl Scout Gold with some generic features.  You can then edit these pages as you see fit.  NThurston 21:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tweaked the Girl Scout one a little bit, when I get back from my band trip on Sunday, I'll tweak the Gold award and try to make a Silver Award userbox and change the pics around a bit.  Thanks for helping me start. Griz 02:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I've added them to the Wiki userbox section on Scouting. Rlevse 03:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created Template:User_GSSilver and have adjusted the Girl Scout and Gold Award templates to be more consistent with other Scouting userboxes. I also added GSSilver to the Wiki userbox section.  NThurston 13:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if we can get the Girl scout ones to look more, well Girl Scoutish instead of the hat?Griz 19:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Hat?  The Girl Scout user boxes currently have the trefoil & flor-de-lis image that was developed for the Wiki scouting project.  See Wiki userbox section. You can change it if you like, though. NThurston 21:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: whoops, brain fart, sorry, I'm under the most stress in my life right now.Griz 14:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm back from my break and have changed the Girl Scout picture on the icon to the WAGGGS symbol.  I'm going to see what I can do with the Gold and Silver award pictures since the Gold Award is TM.  I could try to get actual pictures of them or search elsewhere, or even find something else to represent them.  Griz 16:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Silver award finaly has a picture, I found a way around TM, I took a picture of my own award and I am changing the background on the Gold and Silver Templates to gold and silver.  The Girl Scout Template is being worked on with pictures from User:kintetsubuffalo.Griz 16:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Girl Scout Userbox

message: A new userbox Template:User_current_BSA is available for those who may be interested. NThurston
:Good one! Rlevse 22:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Current BSA Userbox

message: I ws noticing that there's no articles on White stag training (BSA  Jr. Leadership Training, sorry if it seems I'm being baised toward BSA). Also I forgot if there was a page on wiki scout articles that need to be added to or created (the web links aren't always clear).
--KB1KOI-- (17:04) UTC 2006-05-15
White Stag isn't a national program- the term appears to be used only in certain councils.  Many councils have used local names for various training programs. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles that should be added 

message: Not a member of this project, but thought you ought to know, I've turned the above redirect into a disambig page: in the UK "Bucks" is the short form of Buckinghamshire, and Buckinghamshire County Council, frequently shortened to Bucks County Council or BCC is very well-known. -- Francs2000  15:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bucks County Council]] 

message: Check out colaboration of the month, it's a great way to fix up articles to make them good or even FA status eventualy, the best part is that you don't have to do it alone, or all you have to do is just simply vote or nominate an article that you think needs fixed up.   Check it out of you so feel inclined to.  Darthgriz98 02:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hey everybody...

message: Is it me, or is a founder of a single Scout troop (and not the first in India) not-entirely-notable? At least without other noted contributions? Chris 06:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Proposed for speedy deletion. --jergen 08:54, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: definitely non-notable, should be in an Indian Scouting article. Rlevse 12:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The founder of the Scout Troop, Rustomjee Eduljee Sethna that we are talking about brought about a major change in the political policy of a nation. During the early 1900's the British ruled India. Only British run scout troops could be officially registered. Therefore even thought Sethna started his scout troop for the Indian boys, he was not allowed to register it on the basis of color and caste. 
Sethna felt that this was contrary to the spirit of scouting especially the part of the law that stated
"A Scout is a friend to all and a brother to every other scout, no matter to what country class or creed the other may belong."
He thus wrote to Baden Powell and Baden Powell's direct involvement in this matter with the Imperial Government brought about a change in the rules regarding registration of Boy Scout Troops in India.
Till that happened, Sethna did not register his troop. Some other Indian troops chose to register under a "native" classification, and Sethna would have none of it. He was a freedom fighter who stood up for his ideals and made the mighty British change their ways. 
Why would you think that is not commendable or notable ??--arzan 13:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Rustomji Edulji Sethna]]

message: Hi all, I wondered why the Table of Contents is somewhere in the middle of the wikiproject page. It makes finding things in the page difficult. May I recommend a  at the top of the page. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:56, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because we had a reason for it there when we started, which I don't recall why, and no one said anything until now-;).Rlevse 21:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the TOC somewhere in the middle? 

message: GSUSA needs your help!  If you have or can get any pictures for the Girl Scout articles, it would be greatly appriciated!  If you can help please do!  Thanks a billion!  Darthgriz98 00:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures!

message: # Should we change the name of this category to "Girl Scouts of the USA Local Councils", in compliance with the organization name?
# Should we consider merging Far East and Transatlantic Councils and Direct Service, as we are trying to integrate Girl Scout Councils into the state articles, perhaps "American Scouting overseas" or something?
Chris 02:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote yes, GSA is not the correct name of the organization.  As for the merging, how about following the pattern of the way the BSA ones are done?Rlevse 09:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes change it to USA since that's the name of the organization, I looked on the ones for PA, there are none!  I shall have to get to work on changing that.  Although, we might be changing the whole state into three councils instead of the numerous ones.  Might want to wait on that one to see what happens.  Darthgriz98 23:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Girl Scouts of America Local Councils]]

message: Kudos to all contribuants of the Eagle Scout FA! Excellent piece of work. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 14:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congratulations 

message: Scouting portal
PNG file portal
GIF file portal
As probably many non-Americans, I don't recognize myself in the US scout logo. Therefore I propose to use the global logo of the World Organization of the Scout Movement instead. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 14:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No go. This is WOSM specific emblem and that would leave out WAGGGS (Girls) and the non-affiliated Scouting movements.  Including all Scouting, not just WOSM, is a project/portal goal.  Also the logo on the portal is not American.  It was made using the Scouting colors selected by BP and made as a generic trefoil, so it is not specific to any country.  The trefoil, in some form, is part of virtually every Scout assoication and the two stars are on many of them.  Again, this is not an American logo; in fact it is loosely based on an old Canadian design. I don't see the problem, it seems a pretty basic and generic design to me. Rlevse 14:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: * Sorry, you're right. It is indeed the generic wikiproject logo. It was so minimized that I failed to notice the similarity and therefore that it it generally applies. As it totally not looks like any scout logo I know (other than the US logo), I mistakenly assumed it being equal. My apologies, and of course motion retracted. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 16:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It makes a difference in IE too, so yes, let's use the png version. Rlevse 17:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I must have done that about when you wrote that.  I had at 50 for awhile today. Rlevse 22:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To prevent americophobia: a global logo on the portal? 

message: Do you really think that the Camp Wolfeboro article is better off as a note inserted into the Scouting in California article, rather than standing by itself?  (I suppose the same question applies to a lot of the other substantial entries on various camps run by the different CA councils.)  The Scouting in California article is already quite lengthy, and could probably benefit from a bit of trimming-up.  Anyhow, I am curious why you have made this move.  Thanks, Dave Runger(t)⁄(c) 19:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to go with Chris on this. The Wolfboro article is nothing but a bunch of lists and links.  To stand alone it'd need real work. Rlevse 00:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See also the discussion at Talk:Western Los Angeles County Council--Chris 04:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Camp Wolfeboro]] 

message: I don't know if this is a standard wiki rule on or, so I'm asking for facts and opinions here...Should an article have passed through the Good Article, WP:GAC, process before we assign it an A-Class rating?  If this isn't a standard wiki project rule, I'd like to make it so for the Scouting project.  I've already rated several articles and for two of them, this is the only reason I gave them B vice A class.  Note, you can not give GA unless the article went through the formal GA process. Rlevse 00:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article for A-Class

message: * I moved this discussion to the Category_talk:Boy_Scouts_of_America_Local_Councils#Scout_photo_spammingpage to keep it all on one page. --evrik 17:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scout photo spamming

message: Now that we have all the U.S. states, a great bulk of U.K. counties, all Australian states, we should try to create provincial Scout articles for Canada. Please, Canadians, help fill in some blanks for Scouting in your province! Thanks, YiS, Chris 23:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please adopt your province

message: Why? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 17:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because YMCA was one of the influences that led to the forming of BSA.  In fact, the first BSA director, I think his name was Robinson, came from the YMCA to head up BSA. But because of the nature of this, it has the project banner but not the portal tag. Also notice it's in the cats and articles in See also. Rlevse 17:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think yes. Rlevse 21:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *You BSA guys have an interesting POV on Scouting. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 22:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I didn't know of the connection.  Given the talk page banner states: "This includes but is not limited to boy and girl organizations, WAGGGS and WOSM organizations as well as those not so affiliated, country and region-specific topics, and anything else related to Scouting." - I have no difficulty with inclusion--A Y Arktos\talk 22:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *And Arktos isn't a BSA guy:-;) Rlevse 00:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Very interesting, I'll add that to the article. Rlevse 10:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I want to leave YMCA with the tag, at least for now.  If you make the Adventure Guide article, then I could probably see moving the tag over. Rlevse 16:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll put that on my todo list.  BTW:  James E. West worked for the YMCA for a period before joining the BSA. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The [[YMCA]] article carries the Scouting Wikiproject banner 

message: *Daniel Carter Beard Bridge - Do we want to tag it? --evrik 18:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  It's not really associated directly with Scouting, and it is noted in his bio. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article tagging

message: Please check out the discussion on Talk:List of Eagle Scouts for a new format. I really need feedback on this. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I love it! Rlevse 00:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Eagle Scouts

message: Folks, we're getting a preponderance of stubs again, like we had in late January, and that's a good way to lose articles and information to deletion for non-notability.  I do what I can regarding sub-council articles for the BSA, but I have noticed several other areas crying for cleanup. These are the ones I see, please vote and speak your mind, and mention others I have overlooked. The categories are the general combined articles (not necessarily the names) I would propose. Chris 01:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least 1/3 of our articles are stubs. See our 
statistics table and full listing. We've built up the count, let's work on quality now. Rlevse 01:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Wim is working on making this a full scale article. He says a couple of weeks.Rlevse 01:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just picking one of each category, not each example.  Another, better example would be Morse House. Chris 01:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Morse House and Morse Hut are the same thing and need merged.Rlevse 02:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that too, they are separate locations, but they _all_ need to be merged, IMO. For such a geographically small organization, they get more press than is commensurate. And there are spaces for them at The Scout Association of Hong Kong. Perhaps I should fire up the merge tags on all but Baden-Powell International House?
I have been doing research in all Baden-Powell houses, and so I stumbled on the BPIH and the HK Scout Centre. They are two different things, that is true. So I pointed out to Randy that I'd give it a go to see how it works out. Give me a short while, and then I'll respond here. Could well be a merge proposal, could be Start-Class articles. No promises either way. First Baden-Powell House to FA. Did you support it yet? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 21:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: There are gobs of Polish Scouting stubs, many of them dealing with the resistance in WWII. I don't want to lose this info.Rlevse 01:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not suggesting losing it, I'm suggesting combining it into a more comprehensive, useful article, like the new Scouting memorials. What if that were instead 20 different stubs on each memorial?  They're better under a single roof (or few). Chris 01:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.Rlevse 01:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: there are at least four of these. Rlevse 01:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: my vote is to merge them into the existing controversies page. Chris 01:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: agree.  Eight lawsuits and two bills in :Category:Contentious issues about the Boy Scouts of America, all short articles.  Plus one South Park episode. I also recommend merging United States National Scout Jamboree#Funding controversy, as there is a lot of duplication.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: stub merger proposals

message: i.e. Baden-Powell International House...
:Wim is working on making this a full scale article. He says a couple of weeks.Rlevse 01:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just picking one of each category, not each example.  Another, better example would be Morse House. Chris 01:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Morse House and Morse Hut are the same thing and need merged.Rlevse 02:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that too, they are separate locations, but they _all_ need to be merged, IMO. For such a geographically small organization, they get more press than is commensurate. And there are spaces for them at The Scout Association of Hong Kong. Perhaps I should fire up the merge tags on all but Baden-Powell International House?
I have been doing research in all Baden-Powell houses, and so I stumbled on the BPIH and the HK Scout Centre. They are two different things, that is true. So I pointed out to Randy that I'd give it a go to see how it works out. Give me a short while, and then I'll respond here. Could well be a merge proposal, could be Start-Class articles. No promises either way. First Baden-Powell House to FA. Did you support it yet? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 21:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hong Kong Scout locations

message: i.e. Andrzej Małkowski...
:There are gobs of Polish Scouting stubs, many of them dealing with the resistance in WWII. I don't want to lose this info.Rlevse 01:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not suggesting losing it, I'm suggesting combining it into a more comprehensive, useful article, like the new Scouting memorials. What if that were instead 20 different stubs on each memorial?  They're better under a single roof (or few). Chris 01:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.Rlevse 01:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Polish Scouting notables

message: i.e. Welsh v. Boy Scouts of America...
:there are at least four of these. Rlevse 01:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: my vote is to merge them into the existing controversies page. Chris 01:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: agree.  Eight lawsuits and two bills in :Category:Contentious issues about the Boy Scouts of America, all short articles.  Plus one South Park episode. I also recommend merging United States National Scout Jamboree#Funding controversy, as there is a lot of duplication.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: individual lawsuits against the BSA

message: This article is up for deletion. I am not sure about this. It clearly has existed as one of rather a large number of traditional Scout Groups in the UK. One web source talks of it closing in 1998 on the death of its founder. It seems to have revived. The web link from the article has lots of stuff but details of troops, leaders, numbers etc seem to be totally absent. For now I have just cleaned it up (or will in a minute). --Bduke 08:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems likely it will not expand much. What would be the best article to merge it into? Rlevse 09:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of odd-ball traditional groups in the UK. The idea of an article on UK Traditional Groups is one possibility, but for now maybe the best thing is to merge into Traditional Scouting. I'm thinking about adding the one sentence of this article into that article, but I will hang on to see how the deletion debate goes for a while. Also, I have put something on the creator's talk page and he may respond. --Bduke 11:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Sounds good.Rlevse 11:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to  it's part of the Rover Explorer Scouts Association (multiple websites: , , , ). To me, it's no quite clear if this is a real working association - an if, where are its roots? For the Pathfinder Scouts at least one group is mentioned (on all sites), the RESA has at least 5 crews (and a "Philippines Council"). Some of the crews link to the CES, while one of RESA's mainpages links to the WFIS-Eurocamp 2006. --jergen 11:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text:  Found finally some more history and an outdated list of troops: . --jergen 11:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The very last para of that does seem to bring it up to date. The PSA and the Rover Explorer Scout Association  are linked if not the same, but the real questions is how many members do they have. Is it a going concern or are they trying to use WP to advertise it. --Bduke 12:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that for the sake of integrity, we do need to mention these "traditional" organisations - there are as much a part of Scouting as any other Group/Troop. So long as we maintain NPOV in the articles mentioning them, I don't see a problem. Horus Kol 13:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Pathfinder Scouts Association]]

message: Please weigh in at the merge discussion on this page.  If I am wrong, I am wrong, but I would rather hear it from fellow Scouters than from someone with an agenda and a clear history of deleting Scout images. --Chris 04:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So you can't fight your own battles, huh? Ardenn 04:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Talk:Scouting in Ontario]]

message: I am trying to clean up articles on Scouting in Singapore. I think I have got everything into Category:Scouting in Singapore. There is the main article - The Singapore Scout Association, only one section article - Cadet Scout, only one rank article - President's Scout rank (Singapore Scout Association) and four articles on individual Groups. The last are all now tagged for merge into the main article. Please give your opinion on these merges. As usual with Group/Troop articles they are full of vanity stuff, copyright violations and non-notable information. I have cut them back to stubs but moved the deleted material to the talk pages. The main article has a long list of Groups, listed under Districts, which themselves are in two Areas. Should there be articles on the two areas or on the 14 Districts? It would be nice if some Singapore Scout Wikipedeans joined in but my comments on the talk pages of those who created the Group articles and on the talk page of the main article have brought no responses. What do folks think? --Bduke 03:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scouting in Singapore

message: When you merge articles, remember to change the rating to NA (class=NA) and remove importance, or ask me to do it. The merged article is now a redirect and doesn't get a rating.  Rlevse 11:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rating/Assessment reminder

message: Do we want to import some of the images from:
http://www.sossi.org/scouters
:I would say yes, if we are likely to have a need for them.  I wouldn't do it just for the sake of doing it.Rlevse 19:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stamps

message: *http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?pp/fsaall,app,brum,detr,swann,look,gottscho,pan,horyd,genthe,var,cai,cd,hh,yan,bbcards,lomax,ils,prok,brhc,nclc,matpc,iucpub,tgmi,:@FIELD(SUBJ+@band(++Boy+Scouts+of+America++People++Washington++D+C++++1920+1930++))
--evrik 21:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More PD Images

message: I am moving this text by user:Eric1985
:I think the scouting pages are arranged in a not so efficient way. Having grown up in boy scouts (and working for them for 7 years) I think that there should be a root BSA directory page with a page for each council. The council camp and OA should be on the same page as the council. Arranging by state does not work well becuase there are multiple states in many councils around the country.
from my userpage page as this has been discussed long before. Chris 00:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This came up and was settled about 6 months ago. It was decided by consensus to do it this way for multiple reasons and it is not worthwhile to undo all that's been done.Rlevse 00:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: organization of state pages

message: Something has been happening funny with the templates. I have been trying to apply Template:Infobox WorldScouting to Afghan Scout Association as a test to see if it looks nice and if people think we should have a standardized template for national organizations.  But when I apply what is otherwise a slender, tall template, it takes up the whole width of the page. Help? Chris 00:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I've done that, what will that do, now?  Shrinking it how? Help? (I used the basic layout and coloration from ZHP). Chris 00:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried the clear code and it helped (didn't save changes), but becaue the box is so wide, it forces the text below (I think that's what's going on). I don't know how to shrink a box though, but try using BR code to force two lines in the caption at the top and inside the box, perhaps a smaller font too.Rlevse 01:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That is a _beautiful_ cleanup of that article! And that's how I envisioned the use of the template! Thank you, brother! What does everyone else think? Shall we apply the template to the other national articles? Chris 18:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that is a nice cleanup of the Hong Kong article and it is B-class now. I think the template therein is nice, but something in the one on Wim's talk page is making that one too wide. Rlevse 19:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the kind words. The width issue has already been taken care of: I was actually still editing it when you saw what I saw. PS. Another example of the template is in Chris's Afghan article too. Tonight is (probably) the last night I shall be on wikipedia for some weeks, so any further requests for additional fields or so: be my guest. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Also did The Scout Association and Scouting Nederland. Who dares to do the BSA? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 23:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: As a last bold statement I did WAGGGS. Notice the two red links in the table? (recommendation for improvement, Randy. Put them on the wanted articles list for me. Have a nice vacation time all. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 23:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, there is a Pax Hill article. Is it the same as Pax Lodge? Anyone know?Rlevse 23:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The question shows that the female side of Scouting needs quite some support here on Wikipedia. No, Pax Hill and Pax Lodge are two (actually three) different buildings: Pax Hill in Bentley, UK was home for B-P and his wife in the 1930s, as was Pax Hill later in Kenya. Pax Lodge in North London named so for symbolic value in 1990. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 23:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I've love more female involvement in the project, but there simply haven't been that many and most of those aren't very active.Rlevse 00:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: template issues

message: Folks, for consistency, what would you say about renaming the WOSM regions' articles to conform to the way the WAGGGS regions' articles are named, hence WOSM-European Region instead of European Region and so on? Just a thought. Chris 00:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. If it's "European Region", we're left wondering, "European Region" of what? Rlevse 00:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. I have often had Rleses's thought about this. --Bduke 00:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Chris 00:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: renaming suggestion

message: The image at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Uk-scouts-ex-cs-csda.gif has been marked for deletion as it is not used anywhere - how do I petition this? I intend to write an article on the progressive award scheme (past and present) in the UK, and will need this image. Horus Kol 16:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Say exactly what you just said, maybe in more detail, on the image's page. They do this to save server space (get rid of unused images). In the future, don't upload images until you are ready to use them and that'll avoid this problem.Rlevse 18:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah - I uploaded it with a bunch of others, but ended up only using one of the awards in the Explorer Scout article... Well, if I get the article up by the end of the week, it should be okay (ah... motivation :) ) Horus Kol 13:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uk-scouts-ex-cs-csda.gif is to be removed 

message: I'm doing a lot of work on this article, but I'm having trouble finding good photos that are not copyrighted, etc for it. If  you know of some that are good photos and OK for wiki use, please let me know. Thanks. Rlevse 20:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a small collection of photos from a visit there a couple of years ago... I'll root around and see what I can find Horus Kol 08:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just had a quick look, and nothing I took actually shows the site itself - they are all of my Explorers and could have been taken anywhere... sorry... 08:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Gilwell Park]] photos needed

message: Folks, what would you think of my changing the postage stamp tag to scoutlogo, as a bot has been removing stamp graphics from several articles as per Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Stamps wrongly claimed as Fair use: serious copyright problem. On these national articles-five in Africa Randy and I had to save from afd earlier this year, Lithuania and Turkmenistan, the stamps don't illustrate the subject, they prove the existence of the subject, and so are an integral and structural part of the article. They provide a visual record where no other exists at present. Please let me know what you think. Chris 22:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That begs the question if the stamps themselves are a logo of a scout organization.Rlevse 23:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, no.  However, if you read the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Stamps wrongly claimed as Fair use: serious copyright problem, they can only be used if they are an article about the postage stamp, elsewise they will be deleted. The stamps in these cases are crucial to the articles, I have to find a workaround, and quickly before they are deleted. I need all heads on this. Chris 23:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Afraid I'm drawing a blank here, perhaps argue just as you have here.Rlevse 01:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: changing copyright status tags

message: Folks, please weigh in on the discussion for this article.  It is noble that he will expand it, but his reasons for doing so ("Publicity", in his words) go against Wikipedia is not an advertising service. Also, this kind of is parallel to articles for individual troops rather than for the larger entity.  I would like your thoughts. Chris 00:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put my ore in - should be merged with the Student Scout and Guide Organisation article... Horus Kol 08:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Talk:Scogui]]

message: By the end of this months colaboration, I would like to nominate GSUSA for GA.  Or at least be able to.  Any thoughts on this?  I know it still needs work, so what needs to be done so it can be?  Disscussion is here.  Darthgriz98 01:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GSUSA GA?

message: I have a few pictures from completeing my gold award project I don't know if you would want to use them or not.  And I can get some pictures from my uniform of badges and awards and council things and so on.  Any thoughts? Darthgriz98 02:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GSUSA pics

message: We've got more troop articles to deal with. The editors of 13th Dublin and 14th Dublin have removed merge tags without discussion, against Wikipedia etiquette. I will put these articles up for afd for non-notability if they cannot be talked into merge, at least into the local Scouting in Rathfarnham. Chris 00:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was talk on this on some page, I forget which. 13th has had lots of history added, but 14th is in weak shape.Rlevse 01:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was talk on each page, and that's great, thing is, they're still _troops_, and not notable by themselves, no matter how well written. They need a home article to be in. Chris 01:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I think I like Bduke's idea.Rlevse 02:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scouting in Rathfarnham

message: Do we really need such a category?
It should include most of the "interesting" articles such as those on B.-P. and his wife, for example... but these are high profile articles which should stay in :Category:Scouting instead. But if we keep all the interesting articles out of :Category:International Scouting, what do we need it for? Scouting is international in nature anyway... it is the country-specific articles which should go inside country-specific categories, and international-minded articles should be in the main category.
--Lou Crazy 04:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with Lou Crazy. Also, the cat is not "Scouting by country", which it is currently as subcat of; if we do have this cat, it should be a subcat of Scouting and be called "International Scouting associations". Rlevse 11:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Scouting as a category encompasses anything that does not fall under a specific national nature, from Be Prepared to square knots. I had created the new cat because I believe it warrants its own separate distinct grouping. Chris 21:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: but international is certainly not a country, so if anything, it should be under Scouting cat.Rlevse 22:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we really need [[:Category:International Scouting]] ? 

message: this guy really wants to delete my recent additions for illustration-:Image:LaszlonagyU.jpg‎, :Image:Laszlonagycarlgusta.jpg‎; and :Image:BoyScoutsofNippon.jpg, please help me save them from him. Chris 22:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: request for help against deletionist

message: I put them in reverse order because I figured we'd want people to look through the stubs first to try and reduce them... but if you think its better the other way, fair does... Horus Kol 12:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see either way, but I thought I'd change it. Not a big deal if you want to reverse. Rlevse 13:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I think we're both kind of "eh, whatever" :) Horus Kol 15:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of article classes 

message: There are many of them - perhaps a category for them? Horus Kol 08:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have one: :Category:Scout campsites, which is a subcat of :Category:Scouting. Also, BSA category already has local camp and a national camp campsite categories. Rlevse 10:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just looking through there, I found several user pages that were incorrectly cat'd as being Scouting User Templates.  I have fixed them all.  Some were due to subst'ing the noinclude tags, while I found a couple of "no include" mistakes on the user templates.  Also, I found that Wikipedians in Scouts Canada is listed as a subcategory of Scouting User Templates.  Can anyone help me figure out how to remove it from there? --NThurston 21:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I figured it out.  Let me know if I messed something up.  --NThurston 21:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work, Nthurston. Rlevse 21:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I fixed the Alphi Omega cats yesterday as they were looping. I was going to bring up the Canda cat, as I'm not sure why we even have it. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for Category - Scout Campsites? 

message: The 114 or so articles in the Scouting category seem to be a hodge-podge of things that could conceivably belong in sub-categories. A few that come to mind - Scouting:Pioneers, Scouting:Origins, and Scouting:Scoutcraft or Scouting:Skills.  Also, what category can I re-cat the WJ articles into? Any support or concerns?  --NThurston 22:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anything that makes sense and follows naming conventions. I fixed the parent cat of the Scouting jambo cat for you. Rlevse 22:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --NThurston 22:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks also, as this ties nicely into Do we really need Category:International Scouting? above! Chris 00:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: OK - I just realized that the only books there are historical, foundation books.  In addition to the three above, what to do with American Camp Association and Friends Committee on Scouting?  --NThurston 15:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Put the sexuality article in Scouting pioneers. Rlevse 16:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for Scouting Categories 

message: I have had several images, used with permission of the author, deleted by other Wikipedians recently. Randy has suggested other members of our project who are apparently good with such issues, but they were no help. Is there anything we as a project can do to tag images so they _won't_ be deleted? Chris 21:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Images tagging is a pain, especially Fair Use ones. Rlevse 22:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a solution, but noticed this morning that there were several of the historic Eagle medals tagged for deletion, presumably because "nothing links here."  Randy might want to check through those to see if that's actually true or if it's a mistake. --NThurston 23:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it wasn't a mistake, there were once in the Eagle article, but we removed most because there were so many. Don't worry, I have copies on my computer if we need them. Rlevse 23:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: deletion of images

message: I have been cleaning up categories.  BSA logos have been sub-cat'd into :Category:Boy Scouts of America logos.  Note that I am distinguishing between logos and BSA-related images, which are sub-cat'd into :Category:Boy Scouts of America images.  I did not have enough energy to add the logo category to every merit badge in :Category:Scout logos.  Please feel free to do this. 
Also, I have finished my work on cleaning up :Category:Scouting.  You might want to take a look.  I am thinking of ways to sub-cat the BSA articles to make them easier, although 111 is not a tremendously large number.  Perhaps the first step is to sub-cat the biographic articles.  Not sure.  Thoughts? 
As I have worked on this, I was also impressed by two things: 1) There are a lot of BSA related articles :Category:Boy Scouts of America and 2) there are not very many BSA-related images besides logos.  --NThurston 00:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice work, NThurston. Rlevse 01:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Congrats. I think you've done fine work. Rlevse 21:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories - Scouting & BSA-related 

message: I've been going through some of the Scouting stubs, and adding some information where I can to try and make them up to at least a "start" class. But I'm hitting on some odd problems - as an example, on the stub listing there is a link to Talk:129th Toronto Scouting Group... this being a group, the article has been merged into the Scouting in Ontario article and a redirect is now in place (all good considering the project policies on groups and such)... but the original articles talk page is still listed as a stub... I'm sure this is happening elsewhere, and it does skew the lists a bit - making it difficult to spring-clean... any ideas on what to do? Horus Kol 09:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You change the project tag on the talk page of the redirect to class=NA and take out importance completely. If someone doesn't know how or want to, let me know on my talk page and I'll do it. Rlevse 11:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ah - thanks for that Horus Kol 12:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It gets updated every night (well, in the UK it's probably early daylight) when the 1.0 project mathbot runs. Right now it says 468 for stubs, so it has changed. How long it takes to run depends on how many changes have occurred in the entire 1.0 project. You can view the log here: Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Scouting_articles_by_quality_log and click on V1.0 index here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting#Subpages_and_V1.0_pages Rlevse 10:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Horus Kol 10:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The stub count went as high as 490, see , so while you were upgrading some, others were creating new ones. Rlevse 15:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, there are many stubs that are World Scout Committee member bios.  What would be a good course of action given that it is unlikely that we will find more info on most of them? --NThurston 16:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was already a thread on the Philmont subcamp, and yes they are supposed to be merged into the main subcamp article. As for the WSC members merging into a master article, it's okay with me. Rlevse 18:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have merged the stub articles on camps into Philmont Scout Ranch camps and the stubs on programs into Philmont Scout Ranch#Other programs.  Currently, only 425 Scouting stubs.  Next low-hanging fruit - World Committee member bio stubs? --NThurston 13:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: OK with me. FYI, Jergen is going through stubs and changing the rating to Start in appropriate cases. Rlevse 14:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that and think that's very useful thing to do.  --NThurston 14:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stubs - trying to move them up and clear them out 

message: A request for an article on Pax Lodge also queried if Pax Lodge and Pax Hill are the same place. These are two separate places. Pax Lodge is in Hampstead, part of London, UK, and Pax Hill is in Hampshire, a county of the UK. Kingbird 17:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Pax Lodge]] and [[Pax Hill]] Clarification

message: I noticed that the Article of the Month was placed in the main article space of Gilwell Park instead of the talk page. I believe there is a WP policy to refrain from putting this kind of templates in the mainspace, although I can't find a reference to it quickly. I personally think that that policy (if it exists and can be found) would be a good one. Therefore I propose that the said template be moved to the talkpage. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 16:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen them in both the talk page and article's main page (other projects too, not just ours). I have found no such policy, but if it exists, please point it out to me. I do the same thing with Collaboration of the Month too. Rlevse 16:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Article of the Month template: in mainspace or in talkspace 

message: What is to be done with things like Boy Scout Troop 24? I am sure this has been resolved before, please remind me what was decided. --NThurston 17:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See RulesStandards page. Local unit articles are highly discouraged. They rarely meet Wiki guidelines for notability. The article in question (which I haven't seen before) also read like an advertisement. I've afd'd it. Rlevse 17:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It's already deleted. Rlevse 22:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policy question - local units 

message: I'm working on massively improving all articles on lashing knots, so any new images would be highly appreciated! I'm still working on the articles, and I  need images showing how to do the knots, and some examples of how to utilize them. --Captain538 12:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the proposed merging articles don't have images and I think he's looking step by step photos and example of them actually being used for something practical. Rlevse 20:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lashing knot]] images 

message: There's a problem with the images on Girlguiding UK that I haven't been able to solve. The length of the text is shorter than the length of the images stacked on the right, thus there are things out of place (like the 'edit' links on the headings) and it looks messy. Can anyone help out? Thank you. Kingbird 21:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I started working on this, but ran out of time.  Feel free to make other changes.  Hopefully I can come back later and work more on this. --NThurston 21:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I have replied at Talk:Girlguiding UK. Johntex\talk 22:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Help needed with images

message: An article with this title was but up for deletion yesterday and very quickly speedy deleted. It appears to have been about a Scout Troop in Malaysia. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krian Scout. I have no problem with articles about individual troops being deleted. They are indeed not notable. However, I do not think they should be speedy deleted as we should have the opportunity to see whether the article contains anything of note that could be added to a County, State or Country Scouting article. Is there anything we can do about this point in general? --Bduke 01:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ask Johntex. He's an admin and in our project.Rlevse 01:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Krian Scout

message: It is not the barnstar they are trying to delete but its talk page which was only created on 18 October by someone suggesting the barnstar looked like a condom. It is just idiocy. The barnstar itself seems safe. --Bduke 23:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AH, I was confused then. Thanks for clearing it up. Rlevse 00:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Sheesh --evrik 10:41, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text: yeah, if that's what's going on here, I agree it's overblown.Rlevse 11:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i'm just wondering how it looks like condom... this could exlpain why unwanted pregnancies are rising when people can't distinguish between a cloth-badge and a condom... Horus Kol 12:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Just don't get in an edit war over him.  He is very unlikely to give up, probably a vandal or rouge editor trying to PO you to get a laugh.  Darthgriz98 14:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Commons:Deletion requests/Image talk:Barnstar scouting suggestion 05.jpg]]

message: Has anyone else ordered from the UK website? I just placed my order and expect to get the package in a week or two. --evrik 22:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Scouting 2007 Centenary]]

message: The section on the Outlander promise in Scout Promise now has a  tag by it. As you can see in Talk:Scout Promise it appears that this Promise is in the 1912 edition of Scouting for Boys. I tried to track down that edition here in Melbourne but failed. Could someone, possibly in London with access to B-P House, see if they can nail this reference down? I think it is pretty clear from several references that B-P did write the Outlander promise, but we need a definite reference. --Bduke 00:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Outlander Promise

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages: 
*User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
*User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
*User:Badbilltucker/Science directory
and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory.
The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. 
It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Rlevse 00:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 14:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: No problem. I fixed that one too. I added more detail and also moved it out of crafts/hobbies (which it isn't) into society. Rlevse 15:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: I'm requesting an assessment on the quality and importance of the article on Circle 10 Council, which was recently expanded out of the Scouting for Texas article.  As it is an article on an individual Council it should, according to guidelines, fall under Mid-importance.  What I'm really looking for is a quality assessment and ways to improve the article, thank you. Chris M 16:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Scouting in Texas should really have more than one sentence on Circle 10 left in it. The state articles should provide a summary of such articles. Rlevse 16:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: After just a quick look...lead does not summarize the article, refs are not in cite php format, ref 9 is a dead link.Rlevse 16:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I added to the entry in the Scouting in Texas article and beefed up the lead for the Circle Ten article.  I don't believe the 9th ref. in the Council article is dead.  The entire scoutingforall page is down for maintenance so it should be beack up shortly.  I don't quite know what you mean by cite php format so if you could explain a bit more to help me out? Chris M 17:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See how the refs are done in Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America). Rlevse 17:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Circle 10 Council assessment

message: *http://www.angelfire.com/wy/gilwell/plates.html --evrik 21:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://n2zgu.50megs.com/INDEX%20SAW.htm
--evrik (talk) 02:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unfortunately this page is outdated, gives incorrect informations on the program and uses incorrect translations of both Promise and Law. It was used for starting most of the entries on WOSM's members, but most articles are beyond that state. --jergen 20:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting website

message: Just as a heads up and reinforcing the announcment section, GSUSA is up for FAC.  Check it out on GSUSA's FAC page.  Any help any of you or your wiki friends would be greatly appreciated! :) Darthgriz98 21:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Girl Scouts of the USA|GSUSA FAC]] 

message: Actually, this is a general question about American vs English spelling - I just noticed that someone has edited the Scout Association (UK) article to have the non-English spelling of organisation... what are the rules on this? Also, things like colour/color and so on... Personally, I think an English article on British subjects should be spelt in the English manner... Horus Kol 09:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is in our Rules/Standards page, at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting/RulesStandards#Language.2C_Spelling.2C_etc towit: edit the article per the spelling of the country in question. Generic articles use American. We had this discussion before on some talk page, and that was the outcome, so I added it to our Rules page. Rlevse 11:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organisation vs Organization 

message: I notice that someones made a change to the template which shows the various quality levels of articles to include a breakdown of the priorities... is there an easy way to bring up a list of articles with a certain priority within a certain level? For example, all top priorities within the stub quality level (makes it easier to find what article to focus on). Horus Kol 17:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: YOu can go to :Category:Scouting articles by quality or :Category:Scouting articles by importance and browse the subcats, but I know no way to cross ref them. Maybe Wimvandorst does.Rlevse 18:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OH YEAH, I even knew about them but forgot-;) Rlevse 00:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent Wim - that's exactly what I was after... Horus Kol 08:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of prioity articles? 

message: Beginning cross-post.
:See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia. If you wish to comment, please comment there. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 02:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stablepedia 

message: When I started this thread I had not thought about the Project name, but I now think it is important. However, let me go back to what I first noticed. I'll restrict examples to my own region:-
*Australia - Scouts Australia is about the WOSM coed organisation but it mentions Guides Australia, the WAGGGS organisation, as a redlink.
*PNG - The Scout Association of Papua New Guinea is the WOSM organisation and it has a paragraph on Girl Guides Association of Papua New Guinea, the WAGGGS organisation.
*New Zealand - Scouting New Zealand is the WOSM organisation and it has a paragraph on Guides New Zealand, the WAGGGS organisation, as a redlink.
*Solomon Islands - Solomon Islands branch of The Scout Association exists, yet is not affiliated to WOSM, and it includes a paragraph on The Girl Guides Association of the Solomon Islands, which is affiliated to WAGGGS.
Now it is great that material is there about Guides in these countries, but the pattern is clear. The Scout article is important and the Guide material is less important. This is not intended but it is the impression. The last example is particularly offensive in that the Guides are further developed in terms of international affiliation than the Scouts (I do not intend to say that any person who contributed to this article has been offensive, but it is offensive to the Guides). I propose that the Guide material in each case be removed from those articles and put into a new article stub for the Guide Association in each country. This puts them on an equal basis and may encourage the Guide stubs to grow. Maybe there are many other places where this can also be done.
:I have now created these four new stubs for the Guide organisations in these countries by moving the material from the four Scout articles. I would like to propose that this be a standard for the Project. The wording might be something like "In articles about the WOSM affiliated Scout organisation in a particular country, there should be no mention, other than a "See also" link, to the equivalent WAGGGS organisation. Material about the WAGGGS organisation should be put into a new article, even if only a stub". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bduke (talk • contribs) 
::That's fine with me, except it should cut in both directions, not only WOSM-WAGGGS. Rlevse 23:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Reword and put in the standards page. However, I very much doubt that we have a WAGGGS article for a country and do not have a WOSM article for that country. That is why the debate has started. Female organisations do not have the status of male organisation and the web is male dominated as well. --Bduke 23:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Cleaning up redlinks as you suggest is excellent. They may well send an UNINTENDED message that Guiding is not important. I'm sure no one did that on purpose as the problem is few editors knowledgeble on the GG/GS issues. The "Scouting and Guiding in XYZ" idea is certainly less of a problem than a project rename, but I think a better one is to make a SEPARATE "Guiding in XYZ" category and put whatever appropriate there. Rlevse 11:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On my first point, it is not a question of cleaning up redlinks but giving equal treatment to Scout and Guide organisations in a country. I'll do what I suggest for the 4 countries above tomorrow and people can see whether they want to do it in other cases. On my second point, does Rlevse's view have other support? If so I will do that for Australia when there are more articles. It is more of an issue for UK. However, where do articles on UK Girls Brigade go (if any)? --Bduke 11:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: A taskforce is nothing more than a group of people interested in a particular part of a project. It can be as simple as adding a subpage to the project page and they using that as their meeting and info place. The MILHIST project also adds a tag to the talk page banner of taskforce related pages that says "this article is supported by the XYZ taskforce of the MILHIST project". I'd do the tag additions if you want to pursue this part and set up the subpage for you if you like. So, the backend work would be minimal to the taskforce members. Rlevse 18:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A modest suggestion re articles on Guiding

message: What should we do with this category? If we consent that there is no distinct Guide movement, it's unnecessary. If not it needs a better definition: Actually it is quite unclear which articles should go in this category. --jergen 07:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See by sandbox, User:Rlevse/sandbox, Jergen and I have worked something out. Rlevse 14:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Related Question: [[:Category:Guiding]]

message: If we are interested in the Boys' Brigade, this article is up for deletion. It is not straight forword as it does seen fairly notable and old. --Bduke 21:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find anything that notable about it - apart from the names of the various leaders involved, that could be a fairly generic article on other BB companies. Horus Kol 08:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[130th Glasgow Company, The Boys' Brigade]]

message: I just started a stub article on Brazilian Scout and national hero Caio Vianna Martins, if anyone has anything to contribute to it. -- Writtenonsand 05:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caio Vianna Martins 

message: I've been working ideas for improving our project page layout for some time--I for one am tired of all that scrolling! I started working on Scouting WikiProject Navigation box a few days ago. Over the next several days, I'll be working this and at various points playing with the page layout. None of it is chiseled in stone, so if you have ideas, please leave talk here on this talk page. Rlevse 23:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could I mention the instructions for placing the Scouting Portal tag? The How you can help section and the Templates section indicate different places to put it. I haven't liked to change either section as I haven't been around here too long. Also, if using the WorldScouting Infobox, should we omit the Scouting Portal tag, as for the BSA box, or not? I don't mind the what the answer is, I'd just be happier knowing the standard.  Many thanks, Kingbird 16:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed the portal discrepancy, it should go in See also, BUT if you use the info box, since it has a portal link builtin, you'd don't need to use the standalone portal tag. Rlevse 16:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, I've just dropped in the first version of the navigation pane. Constructive feedback and ideas for improvement are welcome.Rlevse 18:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Interesting colour scheme... it was a little too bright for viewing before my first cuppa of the morning... Horus Kol 10:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went with green, gold, and ivory....ivory to offset a tad from the white background of main space, green and gold as they are good Scout colors. I'll check for a tad darker green, but before when I used one particular darker green, it was too dark. Rlevse 10:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a bit easier on the eyes now... good work with the reorganisation. Horus Kol 08:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm now putting this on all project pages. Rlevse 03:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page redesign

message: I just came upon History of the Scout movement in Poland and don't know what to to with this article in need. It names only one unpublished source for the whole text - to me this is quite near to original research. Waht should we do with it? --jergen 09:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, quite interesting, but it says it's based on a memoir, which we can't verify as it's not a web reference. I'd say it's not original research, but more likely a copy vio, but we can't verify that. I'd hate to lose this interesting info on the other hand. Rlevse 11:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks like most of this was added by User:Andrzej anonimus. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this original research? 

message: I've been following the recommendations of the peer review I had made, and I think I've taken it as far as I can... could anyone else do a copyedit and see if there are any more links we can get in there? Horus Kol 10:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Explorer Scouts]] 

message: Hello, I have added a comment at Talk:Boy Scout Vespers. Carolynparrishfan 23:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Boy Scout Vespers]] 

message: I'd like to come up with a standard style for the UK Scout County articles - I've been developing one with Scouting in Royal Berkshire (trying to get the relevant information in the article for anyone interested in the County)... firstly, I'd like any suggestions about it... and then how do I let people know about it? Cheers, Horus Kol 15:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Scout County Style 

message: I have some images of a certicate and a letter from World Scout Bureau for accepting a new member.  Could I upload to commons or here?  If yes, What kinds of license could be written down in their comments?  — HenryLi (Talk) 22:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: wikisource is probably a better place. I think GFDL is automatice for wikisource and wikicommons.Sumoeagle179 02:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an image, not text. As the copies of document are written by World Scout Bureau, I'm worry about copyright. Is it in fair use or public? — HenryLi (Talk) 13:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmm, try User:Wimvandorst, I'm not sure.Sumoeagle179 12:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. — HenryLi (Talk) 00:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of World Scout Bureau document 

message: Many thanks  to all who supported me during my MUCH NEEDED WikiBreak. Now I FULLY understand why they are needed. What an intense year! Man, did I need that break. Many thanks to you all for supporting the project. You are all fine Scouters and editors. Let’s keep improving our articles.   Scouting is still a FAC (not sure if it’ll make it or not on this round) and the Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting Task Force was recently started—please support the GG/GS Task Force if you can. We really want to beef up our articles in that area. I myself ordered a book on Our Chalet and have started an article on that. Yours in Scouting, Rlevse 21:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Return to wiki

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.  Badbilltucker 22:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards