Talk:Cycle rickshaw

message: The article says They have been banned in Pakistan since the 50s/60s, which is it? 50s or 60s? and why are they banned? Edward 22:10, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know any specifics about the timing in Pakistan, but they've been banned in various (developing-world) places for two major reasons, as far as I know. First, they're perceived as exploitive and "backwards" - making the switch to motorized transport is seen as progress by some elites. Second, they're blamed for traffic congestion. In my opinion, both of these are bogus - while a rickshaw driver usually makes a pittance for incredibly brutal work, rickshaw driving is a key way for poor people to earn a living in many places, and motorized taxis take a lot more investment that makes them out of reach for many. Second, I'd say all those damn cars are really to blame for traffic congestion (and the pollution the rickshaw drivers and everyone else has to breathe).  - Cdc 20:42, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: late comments

message: Hi to all,
I changed the fotos at the right and also the big rickshaw photo to a very nice one.
External links:
I am working at this sector and think that all of them are important...
But anyway. I will check them again.
Gerald (Trixi)
====Velotaxi → pedicab====
{reason for move} -- 80.58.33.170 13:32, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some changes 

message: {reason for move} -- 80.58.33.170 13:32, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Velotaxi]] &rarr; [[pedicab]]

message: Why is it the ideograms for trishaw are at the top, while other foreign entries get mentioned further down? Is the trishaw such a uniquely Japanese/Chinese thing? IMHO, move it or lose it.  Trekphiler 13:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trishaw 

message: I think this is interesting/necessary, partly because the article as written focusses on Asian pedicab design and sociological stuff, and it's quite a different scenario in "First World" countries; I noted the syntax of the London/Covent Garden-Soho mention and thought, well, time for a comprehensive list of known pedicab haunts in the US, Canada and Europe, and maybe some exegesis on their "culture" and some of the athletic/injury considerations.  I am a veteran of Vancouver's Expo 86-era pedicab fleet (60 bikes plus 10 "trails" - trailer-doubles) and also was the stalwart nutcase who tried to start the world's first winter pedicab fleet in Whistler, BC (with studded tires) in '87-'88 (right idea, wrong place...should have done it in Aspen...).  I'm posting this draft list here as I'm not sure of the status of certain fleets; the list shouldn't be relocated to the main page until it's been vetted by others familiar with the cities cited.Skookum1 18:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft list of North American/Euro cities which had/have pedicabs

message: ====Canada/U.S.====
=====Current=====
*Victoria, British Columbia - Kabuki Kabs enjoys a monopoly license for pedicab service in the historic core of Victoria.  Business is largely tourism-related but some trade exists for nightclub service.  The fleet numbers about 25 bikes and is largely a summer-only operation.  Bikes used are the TransCanada Pedicab model manufactured by Frank Callaghan of the 1980s-vintage Vancouver fleet
*Vancouver, British Columbia -Tikki Tikki have a large fleet of Maxpro Ecotaxi pedicabs and there is also a small fleet of revamped American-frame pedicabs that continue to serve Vancouver's tourist and nightlife trade.  Most business is nightlife-related and concentrated in the city's Granville Mall and Yaletown club districts.  City restrictions on usage of various streets and pedestrian walkways/seawalls are considered to inhibit expansion of pedicab service, partly because they limit tour/access possibilities.
*Toronto, Ontario - I've only heard that T.O's pedicabs are still in service; corroboration needed and also location (Yorkville?)
*Other Canadian cities? - Halifax?  Calgary?  Winnipeg?  Ottawa?
*Laughlin, Nevada - still?
*San Francisco, California - still?
*Los Angeles, California - Westwood area (still?)
*San Diego, California
Don't forget:
*New York City - NY pedicab industry has undergone substantial political and legal scrutiny since 2006, but it's still quite active. EvolutionRevolution (talk) 04:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: First World Cities with Pedicab Fleets

message: =====Current=====
*Victoria, British Columbia - Kabuki Kabs enjoys a monopoly license for pedicab service in the historic core of Victoria.  Business is largely tourism-related but some trade exists for nightclub service.  The fleet numbers about 25 bikes and is largely a summer-only operation.  Bikes used are the TransCanada Pedicab model manufactured by Frank Callaghan of the 1980s-vintage Vancouver fleet
*Vancouver, British Columbia -Tikki Tikki have a large fleet of Maxpro Ecotaxi pedicabs and there is also a small fleet of revamped American-frame pedicabs that continue to serve Vancouver's tourist and nightlife trade.  Most business is nightlife-related and concentrated in the city's Granville Mall and Yaletown club districts.  City restrictions on usage of various streets and pedestrian walkways/seawalls are considered to inhibit expansion of pedicab service, partly because they limit tour/access possibilities.
*Toronto, Ontario - I've only heard that T.O's pedicabs are still in service; corroboration needed and also location (Yorkville?)
*Other Canadian cities? - Halifax?  Calgary?  Winnipeg?  Ottawa?
*Laughlin, Nevada - still?
*San Francisco, California - still?
*Los Angeles, California - Westwood area (still?)
*San Diego, California
Don't forget:
*New York City - NY pedicab industry has undergone substantial political and legal scrutiny since 2006, but it's still quite active. EvolutionRevolution (talk) 04:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Canada/U.S.

message: *Victoria, British Columbia - Kabuki Kabs enjoys a monopoly license for pedicab service in the historic core of Victoria.  Business is largely tourism-related but some trade exists for nightclub service.  The fleet numbers about 25 bikes and is largely a summer-only operation.  Bikes used are the TransCanada Pedicab model manufactured by Frank Callaghan of the 1980s-vintage Vancouver fleet
*Vancouver, British Columbia -Tikki Tikki have a large fleet of Maxpro Ecotaxi pedicabs and there is also a small fleet of revamped American-frame pedicabs that continue to serve Vancouver's tourist and nightlife trade.  Most business is nightlife-related and concentrated in the city's Granville Mall and Yaletown club districts.  City restrictions on usage of various streets and pedestrian walkways/seawalls are considered to inhibit expansion of pedicab service, partly because they limit tour/access possibilities.
*Toronto, Ontario - I've only heard that T.O's pedicabs are still in service; corroboration needed and also location (Yorkville?)
*Other Canadian cities? - Halifax?  Calgary?  Winnipeg?  Ottawa?
*Laughlin, Nevada - still?
*San Francisco, California - still?
*Los Angeles, California - Westwood area (still?)
*San Diego, California
Don't forget:
*New York City - NY pedicab industry has undergone substantial political and legal scrutiny since 2006, but it's still quite active. EvolutionRevolution (talk) 04:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Current

message: *Trinidad, Bahamas, Caymans, Bermuda may have/had pedicab/rickshaw service, but more on the Asian model I think.
*Havana for sure; just saw some on CBC footage re a documentary on Cuban politics, "CBC Sunday Morning", today Dec 21/08.Skookum1 (talk) 14:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Caribbean

message: =====Current=====
*Sydney, Australia (Paddington area I think)
=====Past=====
*Gold Coast - I just happen to know guys who worked on 'cabs in the gold Coast area, not sure which specific areas.Skookum1 (talk) 14:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia/NZ

message: *Gold Coast - I just happen to know guys who worked on 'cabs in the gold Coast area, not sure which specific areas.Skookum1 (talk) 14:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Past

message: Reading the San Diego controversy was interesting; seems to be carefully avoiding POV but could use tightening and linguistic editing.  Got me remembering some of the issues with the way the Vancouver fleet was run - "gouging" was a big problem (overcharging) and at first it was limited to a small cadre of veteran riders; they'd extort passengers with ridiculous fares like $100 for two blocks; but they' get it, partly because they knew how to pick their customers.  This opposite to others of us who rode like wild animals and charged the set rate ($0.75/blk or $60/hr) and actually were silly enough to declare all our take at the garage (commission system rather than rental, as in Victoria); the gougers would always find what the range other riders were pulling during the shift and declare about 80% of that when they came in, pocketing the rest.  But it made it hard on the rest of us, as it caused a "hard sell" atmosphere.  Then, at one point mid-season one of the guys on what we called the East Gate Shuttle - the Expo East Gate to Chinatown and Gastown, about half a mile on the flat (flat terrain is rare in Vancouver riding) and using the double cabs described in my other ramble above (should be a pic on www.kabukikabs.com) - made over $200 legitimate bucks in one six-hour shift.  The bosses called the newspaper and Luc got a full-page spread, beefy legs and franco-canadien grin reclining fat-cat in his cab, with an article about what great bucks it was.  Within the week there were a few hundred new kids signed up, none of whom really wanted to ride but wanted to make the big bucks; and there were gougers to give them the clue as to how to get away with it.  So you had this situation where experienced riders, with legs like rhinos, couldn't get shifts because all the new guys had booked up all available cabs; and the reason the bosses liked this was because there was a deposit and a uniform fee.  500 guys x 100 bucks is a lot of money, huh?  So the bosses were less concerned with our commission take (still wanting it, though) than they were in enlisting new riders; and they weren't particular if they stayed around or not, because turnover was always a good thing as there'd always be more guys wanting to sign up; but then they found out, once on their bikes, that they didn't have sales skills, didn't know the city, didn't know where we were allowed to ride (or where we could get away with if not allowed, such as the perimeter road around the Expo site, Pacific Boulevard), and didn't want to ride hills.  Which, in Vancouver, means you just can't go anywhere; everywhere is uphill, especially from the Expo site.  So that's part of my story; I'd come to West Gate (foot of Drake at Pacific, for anyone who knows Vancouver; now core area of Yaletown and there were five or six rookies sitting there in the pedicab stall, not wanting to take two young student reporters from neighbouring Bellingham, Washington uptown because it was uphill.  I was the bull-jock of the fleet, or one of them, and purdy pissed off about this laziness on the part of the rookies, so - especially because it was reporters - I gave the rookies mild shit and told the two young Yanks to get in, and started up towards town; no problem, and the hill not a biggie by my standards; but I hadn't stopped for lunch or to stretch; which I was intending to have done at West Gate.  Approaching a corner left-turn (one-way to one-way) that I wanted to take, which had a big depression in the angle of the corner (Homer at Smithe, again for those who know Vancouver), I did a standard sit-down-stand-up routine to shift the derailleur (non-SIS so you had to take the weight off the pedals, even momentarily); but I did it mid-corner, with my body twisted as I did it.  I felt a twang on the inside of my right hip; oh shit, I went, but I still had the pump going and got them the next four or five blocks to the corner of Howe or Hornby or Smithe or whatever it was and let them off.  I knew I had to go to the garage, which luckily was downhill all the way to Gastown (in a back alley in the 00-block between Cordova and Hastings; even then a "shooting gallery" for junkies and filled with assorted, garbage, fornicating drunks and what-not; behind the very worst strip of Skid Road and now fully part of it); I booked out the cab, commented I'd been injured, and headed for the Fleet Captain's place to crash, as I knew I wouldn't be able to ride my Ritchey home to the North Shore (a choice of two big, steep bridges and about six miles).  I slept with my legs up on his chair overnight; standard treatment for back/hip injury; but when I got up in the morning I couldn't stand, couldn't walk; too me half an hour to go to the corner, a full two hours to make it three blocks to a chiro's who couldn't treat me as I was seized up so much....really long story, agonizing pain, temporary debilitation although I did return to work for the rest of the summer; but after the work ended atrophy set in and my spinal collapse/hip pain got to acute levels, and stayed that way.  Shit is that when I left work that fall, I was accused by the bosses of withhholding commissions; the reality was that I wasn't able to ride as much or as hard, and the big grin on my face wasn't as naturally there as it had been before; so bad for sales.  Eventually this argument won out with Umemployment Insurance; but I got screwed by Compo and my life derailed in too long and grueling a fashion to tell y'all about here.  But all because, essentially, the bosses didn't respect the riders they had, and got into cash-for-the-sake-of-cash with the rookie rider thing, and exploited the deposit system to their best advantage, but to no one else's.  OK, OK, business is business; but reading about what's going on in San Diego brought some of this back; when we first started up those of us who knew the city were hired to give lessons to those who didn't, and also in p.r.; but that the gougers included one of the bosses' brother and his best friends made the gouging thing acceptable, and set the stage for the "lazy, know-nothing rookie" thing.  Not that those Turkish guys aren't good guys (Merhaba!!), only that the company hiring them should take the time to show them around, teach them sales and penalize them if they're caught gouging.  Part of that means the public has to be made aware of the issue, and the bosses have to respond and deal with it if a complaint is made....Skookum1 21:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Diego Controversy re Vancouver Expo '86 fleet 

message: I've removed the commercial links to various company websites. These do not add anything to the article, and are contrary to wikipedia's policies on external links. --Ragib 07:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed commercial external links 

message: The March 2007 edition of the Smithsonian presented an article about the improvements and globalization of pedicart transport. I split the global discussion off from the introduction and included some about the article's look at rickshaws in NYC.  Mredden 03:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smithsonian rickshaw article 

message: Earlier on this page someone said that reasons of ban in Pakistan were their backward perception and traffic congestion problems. That is not true because animal drafted carts and traditional Tanga have similar problems (plus unmanaged excretions of animals), but those were not banned and are widely used in many areas of Pakistan even today.
The primary reason of cycle rickshaws ban in Pakistan was their perceived role in spreading Tuberculosis, which turned out to have some scientific weight.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnyaseen (talk • contribs) 05:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No description of health issues? 

message: While I placed Kabuki Kabs in the "in operation" (formerly "where they are prevalent") section, fact is they're also regulated; as also I'm sure with other companies in the first section; I'm really not sure of the distinction; I put Vancouver in the regulated section because I know the regulations; there's about 10 Tikki Tikki pedicabs in operation now and there might be some "solo artists".  Essentially I don't think these two sections should be separate, unless those in the first are meant to be "entirely unregulated" which doesn't seem likely in any major city; licensing/insurance regs you'd think would be common, as well as street restrictions and so on.  There's other Canadian cities, I'm not sure which - Winnipeg and Montreal I think, maybe Ottawa also.  Laughlin, Nevada used to be the "winter training" operation for the company that ran Expo '86; not sure if they're still there but if they're banned in Vegas maybe they are at Laughlin too (maybe it's Lake Havasu City, we always called it Laughlin).  Waikiki used to have a huge fleet, rife with prostitution and drug-dealing problems or so I've heard; are they banned there now?Skookum1 (talk) 14:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Regulated vs in operation

message: I have removed a number of commercial links being used to reference specific cities. The links obviously do not meet WP:RS. Since Wikipedia is not a directory, a link to DMOZ would be a better way to provide links to specific cities and sites. Flowanda | Talk 11:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of commercial links 

message: I feel that the article has become dominated by the volume North American section - as originally an asian form of transport - perhaps there may be a need for a sub-article of the pedicab outside of The Asian origins?  Any thoughts? SatuSuro 11:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it, but I'm annoyed because it collects edits and spam. I wouldn't complain if it went away, I suppose. tedder (talk) 01:55, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure this: Cities in North America where pedicabs are in operation - perhaps a better title  - could be a separate article?  It does not do anything for the main content - imho SatuSuro 02:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd not be opposed to a split, and thought about posting something in the above possible split section, I just wasn't sure there was enough content for a whole article.  Splitting does have the very real advantage of keeping the content, and it may grow.  What about calling it Cycle Rickshaws in North America? And the content regarding Cities in North America where pedicabs are regulated, and Cities in North America where pedicabs are prohibited could be included too.  Or would it be more wise to give it a title that would allow information to be included from Europe also.  It seems that there is a clear divide between the use of rickshaws in the developing world and the rich contries.  Practical transportation on one hand and a frivolous entertaining way to travel on the other.  Cycle Rickshaws in the west?--Keithonearth (talk) 05:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: That sounds like a smart thing to do, but better just split off the non Asian content to Rickshaws Outside Asia as a title it is concise, meaningful, and flexable enough to cover everything we have in the Cycle rickshaw article, and still grow into a mature article.  I do think Cycle rickshaw should exist as an article, and as Rickshaws were first used in Asia, and are still mostly used in Asia, it should be what this article is mainly about.--Keithonearth (talk) 04:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put a split sections to tag up.  I'll leave it up for a while before splitting the majority of the content regarding North America and Europe, but I do think that is the best thing to do.--Keithonearth (talk) 17:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for it, as long as it is closely monitored to keep from becoming a spam magnet. tedder (talk) 18:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: possible split

message: I fail to understand the usefullness of the Cities in North America where pedicabs are in operationsection, and would be only too happy to see it removed outright.  How do others feel about it?  What is the usefullness of keeping it if there are people wanting to keep it?--Keithonearth (talk) 01:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it, but I'm annoyed because it collects edits and spam. I wouldn't complain if it went away, I suppose. tedder (talk) 01:55, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure this: Cities in North America where pedicabs are in operation - perhaps a better title  - could be a separate article?  It does not do anything for the main content - imho SatuSuro 02:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd not be opposed to a split, and thought about posting something in the above possible split section, I just wasn't sure there was enough content for a whole article.  Splitting does have the very real advantage of keeping the content, and it may grow.  What about calling it Cycle Rickshaws in North America? And the content regarding Cities in North America where pedicabs are regulated, and Cities in North America where pedicabs are prohibited could be included too.  Or would it be more wise to give it a title that would allow information to be included from Europe also.  It seems that there is a clear divide between the use of rickshaws in the developing world and the rich contries.  Practical transportation on one hand and a frivolous entertaining way to travel on the other.  Cycle Rickshaws in the west?--Keithonearth (talk) 05:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: That sounds like a smart thing to do, but better just split off the non Asian content to Rickshaws Outside Asia as a title it is concise, meaningful, and flexable enough to cover everything we have in the Cycle rickshaw article, and still grow into a mature article.  I do think Cycle rickshaw should exist as an article, and as Rickshaws were first used in Asia, and are still mostly used in Asia, it should be what this article is mainly about.--Keithonearth (talk) 04:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put a split sections to tag up.  I'll leave it up for a while before splitting the majority of the content regarding North America and Europe, but I do think that is the best thing to do.--Keithonearth (talk) 17:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for it, as long as it is closely monitored to keep from becoming a spam magnet. tedder (talk) 18:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cities in North America where pedicabs are in operation 

message: Administrator Ckatz has protected this article for flimsy and vindictive reasons. She has done a similar thing in an article Air well. Her inappropriate behavior can be seen . It is requested that some administrator should unlock this article.
59.95.9.117 (talk) 03:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Obvious sock of the editor whose actions led to the protection. Also complaining on my talk page. Dougweller (talk) 05:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to unlock the rickshaw article 

message: There are two of them, one in the general section and one in the "Phillipines" section. It is the same photo, should we remove one of them?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.43.73.98 (talk) 02:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manila Rickshaw Photo 

message: The info apparently has a proper source, but as a local inhabitant I know the text presents severe inaccuracies.
Correct: cycle rickshaws are indeed very widespread in Toamasina.
Wrong: Toamasina is not a hilly area. It's an almost completely flat seaside plain. The nearest hill is dozens of miles away.
Wrong: in Madagascar, cycle rickshaws are mostly used in flat areas. In hilly areas like Antananarivo or Antsirabe, normal rickshaws are favored.
I was tempted to modify the article by myself, but am unable to find acceptable sources to back up the changes. Any help would be welcome.
-- Darhan (talk) 08:36, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong info on Madagascar