Talk:El Lissitzky

message: This is the best wikipedia, perhaps paper as well, article I have seen for a while. Well done to the contributors for their great job. --82.33.200.49 04:28, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great 

message: This version was promoted in March, and has not really changed much.  Some links were fixed, and I note the addition of an invisible comment asking for a clarification on one issue.  All other changes were copyediting, image moving and such.  Tuf-Kat 06:49, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:FAR|Featured article review]] of December 8, 2005

message: WTF is OTRS? (I believe they were all Jews. Who is in doubt?) - Jmabel | Talk 20:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  OTRS 

message: hello  everybody,
can someone add the interwiki to the article on the hebrew wikipedia - :he:אל ליסיצקי? the "Spam protection filter" does not agree to the adding. thanks, 88.153.194.158 19:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added it.  Earlier today Mzlla removed a blacklisted link.  That looks like it was the problem. ~CS 14:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  interwiki 

message: In the El Lissitzky book Life Letters Texts (Thames & Hudson, 1980) by Sophie Lissitzky-Kuppers, Lissitzky's teacher/advisor/mentor's name is Yuri Penn, as opposed to Yehuda, or Jehuda Pen. I thought this might be of relevance.
Dudeglove 21:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Lissitzky's teacher 

message: 'In February of 1920, under the leadership of Malevich, the group worked on a "suprematist ballet", choreographed by Nina Kogan, and the precursor to Aleksander Kruchenykh's influential futurist opera, Victory Over the Sun.' 
Victory Over the Sun was produced at the Luna Park Theatre in Petersburg in December 1913 (Ref Gray, The Russian Experiment in Art); I think that the dates are mixed up here?
84.55.153.98 (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victory Over the Sun 

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MOSNUM no longer encourages date autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. Related to this, MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether or not dates are autoformatted. MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this. 
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thread_title:  Proposal to remove date-autoformatting 

message: Article gives June 3, 1918, as date for his diploma from Riga - but Curl gives "studied at Damstadt from 1909, travelled, and graduated in architecture from Riga in 1915, after which (1919) he worked with Marc Chagall" anyone got any further clarifications? --Joopercoopers (talk) 23:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: FAR Discussion

message: As there are quite a few editors on the article, need to agree on:
* Citation format (I already moved some of the references disclosed inline in full into "references" heading)
* Which most fundamental source should be used for basic information, i.t dates of birth, education etc. While there are some printed sources that are online through googlebooks and can be used immediately, these are tertiary info (not a proper biography). NVO (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources that look good to me that have been in the article are the Monuments of the Future. Getty Institute - Monuments to the Future: Designs by El Lissitzky. and Lissitzky-Kuppers, Sophie (1980). El Lissitzky, life, letters, texts. Thames and Hudson. . The latter should have page numbers in the inline cites and the former (imo the best webpage I've seen on Lissitzky) can link more specifically to the sections on the their site. This can expand the citation section and be more specific. Maybe I'll do that later. I'm accessing Lissitzky-Kuppers 1980 at the library this weekend. These two books I'm also accessing at the library this weekend  I have copies of these  that have information about Lissitzky. NVO, I know you can prepare a perfect bibliography of Soviet/Russian sources which I hope you do! dvdrw 00:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PS - all the links in the table to mayakovsky.com are gone. I'll delete them in a little bit when there won't be an edit conflict. They are links to illustrations to Mayakovsky's, Dlia golosa The cover is at ibiblio, that should suffice for the table. Do they link for anyone else, I'm just seeing a site selling domain names when I click. I wish I could operate the link checker to find any that I don't see since there are a lot of links in the table.dvdrw 01:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if you guys have access to specific bios, I'll step back for now - Curl's give a nice concise encyclo entry and Mallgrave weaves him in and out of the theory narrative, so a bio would probably be better - give me a shout if you're missing anything. --Joopercoopers (talk) 01:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I like what you are doing. I like those sources especially Mallgrave. dvdrw 01:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Formatting/referencing issues

message: Just tagged as , the line about Lissitzky's designs involving the 1939 New York World's Fair may be sourced to El Lissitzky: Beyond the Abstract Cabinet : Photography, Design, Collaboration on page 228.
Wish there were illustrations and more information. dvdrw 01:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1939 New York World's Fair 

message: Page 63-64 author argues that it was Malevich who borrowed Lissitzky' ideas of architectons, not the other way round. Although the conjecture seems weak to me. NVO (talk) 04:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting source on 1919-1920 in Vitebsk

message: The quote sourced to formDefined (which doesn't link incidentally) beginning, "The artist constructs a new symbol with his brush." could better be sourced to Tupitsyn 1999 p. 9 or most likely earlier somewhere. dvdrw 05:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote 

message: From legacy section: "In issue #2 he included multiple fold-out pages, presented in concert with other folded pages that together produced design combinations and a narrative structure that was completely original at the time."
It appears that the thing emerged earlier, in spring of 1928, with the brochure for the Cologne exhibition. (Tolstoy, p.104 - I'll try to scan it) USSR im Bau started 1930. NVO (talk) 06:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  long foldouts 

message: Добрый день. Do we need the two sources at the bottom of the table? I am inclined to delete them as they are not labeled informatively imo and they are redundant, since every link under the media heading is a source in a sense. Current note 36.^ Merz No. 8/9 at sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu can be tabulated as well in the media column which would help the notes section. Great work yesterday everyone! dvdrw 19:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The way you've done them is fine, that's how they seem to me like they should be done. They display as one-line for me too, some with more may be fine as well. I wouldn't necessarily limit yourself to one line per citation. dvdrw 23:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After some thought, and upon your suggestion I deleted it. Again feel free to undo and discuss if anyone disagrees. Most of the information is provided in links throughout the article. Most of the images are already indexed at the ibiblio site in the external links and at the getty site in the references. I deleted the see also section, all the articles included were linked in the text already. dvdrw 19:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I'm tempted to restore it, sorry for being wishy-washy, but we are down to only a few images since they are fair use and since this is an artist bio the reader is going to be looking for them. DVD (talk) 20:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The table 

message: I just restored the en: versions of this article's images and added fair use. Could anyone please double check them for me? Thanks, dvdrw 00:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I trimmed the following section from the article (merging the cited parts) because it was mostly uncited, if anyone wants to add it back please use inline citations. DVD (talk) 20:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  From the article 

message: The building pictured here, located at  17, 1st Samotechny Lane, is Lissitsky's sole tangible work of architecture. The building was commissioned in 1928 by Ogonyok magazine as a printshop (hey, my own grandfather, then a student at Mining Academy, moonlighted at Ogonyok as packaging workhand at the same time, although he perhaps graduated before the new printshop was completed). The fact that Lissitsky indeed designed it has been concurred by his son now living in Spain. In June 2007 the independent Russky Avangard foundation filed a request for listing the building on the heritage register. In September 2007 the city commission (Moskomnasledie) approved the request and passed it to the city government for a final approval ... which did not happen. Finally, in October 2008 the abandoned building burnt down (the photo shows the least damaged south end of the building, it's far worse on the sides, no roof, no ceilings; Googlemaps image was apparently taken before the fire). NVO (talk) 08:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This should be added to the article, maybe in the section "Horizontal skyscrapers" since it is about his architectural projects. I am going to read the source in a few hours and add a rendition of what NVO wrote with the picture, unless someone else does before then. DVD 23:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

text: OK, I added a short paragraph using what you wrote here and added your photo. Please proof read it. BTW, It really gives me the creeps that the building was burned in the same month that we were working on it during WP:FAR :( DVD 01:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article in Russian (Oct.2008): Lissitsky's printshop

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message: I'm reviewing this old featured article (promoted in 2005; last reviewed in 2008) as part of WP:URFA/2020, an effort to ensure that older FAs continue to meet the criteria. At the moment, the article contains a significant amount of uncited text, including for analytical statements that clearly require citations (e.g. ; ; ). A related problem is that many prominent sources are cited only rarely or not at all, for instance Margolin 1997, Tupitsyn 1999, Perloff and Reed 2003, etc. I thus doubt that the article is "a thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature", as required by crit. 1c. Finally, the article seems to lack information about Lissitzky's legacy, his influence on later artists, and scholars' perspectives on his work, raising doubts about its comprehensiveness. There are also smaller issues: some citations lack page numbers, "Ilyicheva" does not correspond to an entry in the references section, and the lead contains information not found in the body. Hopefully these concerns can be resolved; otherwise, the article may be listed at featured article review, where editors will consider whether it should remain an FA. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:36, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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