Talk:Mountain Meadows Massacre/Archive 8

message: Ahh Geez. While collecting the "minor" additions for this article discussed above. We have yet another problem. With the recent addition of "baker-fancher" train this article now contradicts itself and its sources. Taken literally, Baker was one of 2 initial leaders of the train, but then later Baker joined the train, and then when they arrived in Utah  the Baker train joined the train.. and it was called the Baker-Fancher train see (link to an article which clearly says train was NOT called the Baker-Fancher train http://www.mtn-meadows-assoc.com/arkansasemigrants.htm ).....
AAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!! 20:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baker-Fancher train? 

message: how to make a sandbox page for a possible article about those connected with the siege? I'd tried to just throw a feeble alpha  version out there but it got speedied for its shortcomings of listcruft :'^( --Justmeherenow 01:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can do it as a sub page of your userpage or talk page. 04:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Could somebody show me

message: OK Someobody flagged this article as neutrality disputed, yet they did not leave a comment as to what they want to dispute??? I move to immediately delete this tag. If somebody has a beef with the article, fine. But to flag it as neutrality disputed without even mentioning what is their beef? How can anybody fix the article if we don't know what's broken.Davemeistermoab 04:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Red user, no comments on the talk page, article replete with citations, the tag is unsupported by any sort of WP policy and I rm'd it. Gwen Gale 12:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Content Disputed

message: where, concerning the 1990 reconciliation ceremony in Cedar City,  annegb writes: "It’s possible that as I sang 'A Balm in Gilead' I was doing so as a family member of both the murdered and the murderers" - a family secret annegb learned of from a cousin who'd "stunned (her) with his assertion that his great grandmother had been a child of the Arkansans who’d survived."
His apparent honesty was drastically contrasted with the reluctance of other family members to discuss this rumor. They did admit they’d heard it, but became almost defensive about it. One cousin, whose mother, my grandmother’s sister, has done much of the family history on our line, told me he’d heard that story. He, too, had encountered defensiveness when he’d brought it up. He told me that his grandfather, along with other men from Cedar, became concerned at the talk about violence toward the Arkansans, so they hitched up their teams and wagons and left town. They went up on Cedar Mountain and gathered wood for a few days, thus avoiding any participation in the massacre.
--Justmeherenow 17:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have so little source material on MMM and what we do have sometimes seems thin because Mormon families, especially those related to the mostly ordinary Mormons who followed orders and participated in the massacre, didn't talk about it for more than a century. Indeed, one can find many accounts of books and diaries being burned across the decades, by successive generations, of the topic being altogether banned in many homes. Never mind what the LDS leaders themselves did in terms of spin and records destruction. For the most part these were everyday family folks who trusted their leaders and their faith only to be drawn into the mass murder of civilian men, women and kids. The wonted reactions of their families was rational: Any involvement in MMM was simply erased from oral and written family history. Gwen Gale 17:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A link to a current Mountain Meadows blogpost