Talk:Scouting and Guiding in Western Sahara

message: What's the point in duplicating exactly the same paragraph in 20 articles?
Also, whoever cares what's the Arabic translation for "Be Prepared", will of course look in that article, and not in Sahraoui Scout Association.
And what's the point in providing the Arabic translation of the word "boyscout"? This is not a dictionary. --tyomitch 15:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to disagree about putting it in the region article. Each association should have its own info. But I also agree a little variety would be good. I suggest leaving the info in the association articles and varying the text in each some.Rlevse 23:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tyomitch, I truly appreciate your energy, but that suggestion is actually not "good enough". First, it goes against the format of the 160+ other national articles; second, the Scout Motto is not specific nor particularly pertainant to the Arab Scout Region; and third, the removals do not give the reader which languages or variants are used in that particular country. Please leave them as they are. Besides, there has been some discussion about dividing up or renaming Be Prepared, as it is too much a catchall to be of use to most. We very much appreciate your contributions, but unless you'd like to join the Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting, we'd prefer to let those with some connection to the topic be the arbiters of what is noteworthy in each article. Now, if you _do_ want to add the Arabic to the Scout articles for Palestine and Syria, we would really appreciate your contribution (and thanks for the ones you did already, that's a lot of work). In thanks, Chris 01:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Kun Musta'idan'' x20 

message: I am now treating your repeated edits as vandalism, since you can't be bothered to source the claims you make. The World Organization of the Scout Movement is a reputable source, and you have provided none of your own. Your politics don't belong in those articles. Chris 10:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your retaliatory proposal for deletion just underscores your lack of ability to cite your own sources. Grow up. Chris 10:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have not sourced this article according to your reputable source. You could have cited the Bible as well. --Juiced lemon 10:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see you sourcing anything to back up your claims. While you're at it, learn English. Chris 10:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a nonsense demand. Nobody can prove that something doesn't exist. It belongs to you to prove that this association exists. --Juiced lemon 10:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I didn't know that a prod could be removed for no reason. Notice that the title of this section is POV and personal attack. --Juiced lemon 12:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that right on the prod tag itself it says it can be removed "if you otherwise object to deletion of the article for any reason". Rlevse 13:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at how he managed to interpret it: . I, for one, am thoroughly amused. — Rebelguys2 talk 13:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV edits by [[user:juiced lemon]]

message: This article contains mainly stereotypical informations. Other informations cannot be attributed to reliable sources, in particular name and logo of the association, which could be fictitious, and the location of the scout activities.
The article links this web page Movimiento Scout Católico, which contains informations regarding to a scout organization which doesn't concern this article. Any association can have any activity in any location on the Earth. --Juiced lemon 12:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The wording on the little banner is different, and all of those symbols are so universal, I think it's too much of a stretch to think we can take that as evidence to go either way. — Rebelguys2 talk 14:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TotallyDisputed 

message: Sahraoui Scout Association → Scouting in Western Sahara — over the course of research to source this article, several editors have discovered multiple groups and organizations serving the same purpose, none with international recognition, so this is a more inclusive name —Chris 19:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support Might as well make this an overview; this particular organization will probably remain a stub for the foreseeable future. If sometime, somehow there is enough information to flesh it out into a full article, it can be expanded from there. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 19:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
*Immediate Delete! - Everyone can create unsourced trash. Wikipedia does not need it - wikima 20:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Right Apparently, you misunderstand the purpose of this move survey and the fact that this just survived an AfD nomination. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I have fixed the redirect to point to the new title Scouting in Western Sahara. Are there any more POV issues I need to address that perhaps I was overlooking, or can we move on now? Chris 00:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support Might as well make this an overview; this particular organization will probably remain a stub for the foreseeable future. If sometime, somehow there is enough information to flesh it out into a full article, it can be expanded from there. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 19:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
*Immediate Delete! - Everyone can create unsourced trash. Wikipedia does not need it - wikima 20:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right Apparently, you misunderstand the purpose of this move survey and the fact that this just survived an AfD nomination. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I have fixed the redirect to point to the new title Scouting in Western Sahara. Are there any more POV issues I need to address that perhaps I was overlooking, or can we move on now? Chris 00:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Now that this article has survived the AfD and is fully sourced, and will soon be moved to a more inclusive name, I propose that we can reasonably, and therefore should, remove the POV tag. Chris 21:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in its current shape. See my note above. — Rebelguys2 talk 22:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with what Rebelguys2 said above. There are reasons to keep the POV tag.--A Jalil 01:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested removal of POV tag

message: POV editors keep editing to put in the Spanish transliteration of the Arabic name of the city. The clear dominant English language is Laayoune (See cites on Talk page to Ency. Brittanica, Reuters, Lonely Planet, US State Department - all NPOV sources ) - standard for Wikipedia is NPOV standard English usage (e.g. Mecca versus Makkah). Usage of the Spanish transliteration is entirely associated with a certain political tendency and does not match the clear NPOV dominant English usage. 11:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: See the full Wikipage on Laayoune: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laayoune and its background. collounsbury (talk) 11:54, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Watch who you're calling a POV editor. Look at the edit history dates. When you were reverted, it was two weeks before the article itself was moved. Do a little research next time before mudslinging. You look like a jackass when you don't. Oh, and WP:AGF... have a nice day.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Spare me the pious idiocy. The basis of the name issue was established far back. collounsbury (talk) 12:57, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: City Name Laayoune