Talk:Coco (folklore)

message: What if the word is of south american, pre-columbian origin? Once I read about the quechua myth of the 'ukuku', a word related to the Uku Pacha or underworld. The creature is still used today to scare children in andean villages. It's also another term for 'bear' in quechua (the other term being ukumari). And according to certain investigations, bears in andean pottery are scarce (even when bears were common and still exist today in Peru) because they were believed to be related to the Uku Pacha. I'll investgate more on this (Because we'll need proof on this), but who knows? Stories from the ukuku and the cuco are too similar, and the myth could have come from there, heard by spanish conquistadores during the conquest or during the colony, and carried to all their other colonies and to their own country.
:: The "coco" is of pré-roman origin, probably celtiberian. In northen Portugal and Galicia the "coco" is represented by a carved pumpkin lantern just like the jack'o lantern and by a dragon. 
(In quechua, u and o vowels sound the same, so their 'u' can be heard as 'o' to us sometimes. If 'cuco' or 'coco' came from 'ukuku', its quechua origin would explain the variants in its name from place to place) -- Taikobo
::The word (coco/cuca/cuco/cucu/cucuy) most likely came from Europe, likely pre-latin in origin, which refers to the word "cucurbita" (although Latin, its origins prior to that are debated), which means gourd, squash, or melon (where the words "cucumber" and "zucchini" come from; see also Italian "cocoziello" or "zucca"http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucurbita_pepo#Nomi_regionali, all with the same origins), or other related false-berry fruits growing from vines (e.g. any orb-like protrusion causing general curiosity, marvel, or awe.  If not "celt-iberian", as one user above suggests, the word itself may have deeper Middle-Eastern or African originshttp://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/sturtevant/cucurbita-pepo.html.
::Proposed etym. for cucurbitus: L. cucu(s)=?(from Gr. κόκκος=kernel, seed, grain, berry)? + orb(is)=sphere, globe round, circle + it(us)=a going (genative, fourth declension).
::The tradition of the jack'o lantern is independent of the word's actual origin.
::Analogues or homonyms in Native American or African (Bantu: "Kuku") languages may have become convergent co-incidences (or false cognates), which may have only helped to spread the myth of the "Coco" even more easily.  As it stands, the mythological meaning of the word is influenced directly by the Iberian peninsula's Romantic languages and traditionshttp://encina.pntic.mec.es/agonza59/europeos.htm#Coco.  The same reference states that, as with many words of debated etymological origin, it may be onomatopoeic or based on babbling sounds of babies during language acquisition.
::Another proposed onomatopoeic origin of El Coco (and this is an oral "folk etymology" sometimes used in Mexico), refers to the knocking, or rapping sound El Coco makes on the floor or under a bed or table in the darkness of a room.  Another oral folk etymology also takes into account the etymological origin of the word, which refers to the cool, dark environment of a patch of squash vines (or other tight growth of vegetation) at nighttime, and the fruits' sinister, head-like appearance [see above reference].
::Some rf.: Corominas, Joan y José A. Pascual (1980): Diccionario Crítico Etimológico Castellano e Hispánico, Madrid: Gredos, s.v. coco.--Nimbvs (talk)
::Should Cucuy and Jack-o-Lantern have cross references? I was thinking of saying that the pumpkin head exists in both Spanish/Portuguese speaking and English Speaking cultures. -- Azemocram (talk) 01:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the word 

message: Cuco is the same as boogey man in english —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wesborland (talk • contribs) 6:40 pm, 1 February 2007, Thursday (5 years, 10 months, 26 days ago) (UTC−7).
Cuco means BogeyMan, who looks for disobedient children.
:: Cuco is a slang for female underwear (and "cuca" is what is underneath the "cuco.") The correct name of the fantastic character is "coco".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.198 (talk) 21:20, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boogey man 

message: CalumH93 your reversion does not have any explanation. The information added has sources and if you read all the other sources added it goes in accordance with what was written. If you have any other oppinion or knowledge please add to this page otherwise you make those reversions  a lost of time.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.30.234 (talk) 15:02, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: reversions

message: Could someone change the title to Coco. I only ask this because there is already a tradition around the cuco (Cuckoo), festa do cuco-mor , and two traditions with the same name from the same region gets confusing46.50.1.28 (talk) 13:36, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, the text of the article, including the lead sentence, seems to suggest that "Coco" is the default spelling.PurpleChez (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Title change

message: IP user 89.214.88.248 has reverted to an older version of the article with the edit summary "Reverting , makes no sensense, discuss on the web page if you do not agree". I am not sure which aspects of the article the IP user is referring to, but the largest effect of the reversion has been to restore a whole host of grammatical errors, bad English, and bad text formatting by undoing a large number of basic copyedits that had been made. Personally I have no problem with incorporating whatever specific content changes the IP user thinks need to be made, but I think the article's improved legibility and corrected formatting ought to be preserved.  The IP user is invited to clarify exactly which parts made "no sense".  Meanwhile, I plan to restore the basic copyedits that had been made while trying to respect and maintain the content added / re-added by the IP user. AtticusX (talk) 21:45, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Atticus. I don't mind if you correct grammar errors, but you also erased information and it made no sense. First because there is a big amount of symbology around this being and if one does not know it not everything will be understood. Second you erased information like for example the information about the god Crouga, *krowkā in Indogermanica et Caucasica is translated as "sanctuary", in e-keltoi is translated as "rock", but it also means "head" List of Galician words of Celtic origin, so there is a reason why it is there. Also the ancient Portuguese metaphor  that you erased :'to give someone coca' , (this is a very old metaphor) implies magic and sorcery, and it is well translated. The coco is masculin ( the ending "o" is masculin), the Coca is feminin ( the ending "a" is feminin) In Indogermanica et Caucasica there is probably a feminin and a masculin theonym  pg 324 Crougia is said to be the masculin form. Also notice something that is not in this wikipedia yet, the children in Portugal take a pumpkin lantern (coca/coco) when they go asking for Pão-por-Deus and this tradition is connected with a ancient death cult. The "pão por deus" is to be shared with the dead, the big bonfires lit at night with the wood of the souls (lenha das almas) is for the dead and the MAGusto is also related with the death cult. There is also the epithet  of "Crouceai Maga Reaicoi Petranioi"  whatever the translation that is given, there is nearby the hillfort of the Maga (Castro da Maga) and "maga" means sorcerer in Portuguese  pg 148 while Magna means "Great/Big". I can also tell you that it is very rare to find someone that knows portuguese mythic creatures from portuguese folclore even in Portugal (the well known spanish tradition of "el coco" is a tiny part of this myth). One more thing, I did not read everything you erased, probably there was more, but what I saw was enough to revert everything. I don't have much time to pin point every thing. So if you decide to erase information whatever it is you think is wrong, I don't think there is anyone who knows about the portuguese version of this myth left, exept the IP that has been writing it (when I said above it was very rare to find someone who knows this stuff, take it literally).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.88.248 (talk) 01:28, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unexplained reversion of numerous copyedits 

message: Television- As soon as the verification is available on the official site, it should be added that El Cucuy was featured on the NBC TV show Grimm. Vixen525 (talk) 05:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literature, Arts, Culture 

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