Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth/archive5

message: ===Role call: September===
#I'm here, though since school start's tomorrow, I may have less time (the dreaded hell year has finally arrived).  Currently working on getting Maedhros to G.A. status. —Mirlen 17:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Community

message: #I'm here, though since school start's tomorrow, I may have less time (the dreaded hell year has finally arrived).  Currently working on getting Maedhros to G.A. status. —Mirlen 17:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Role call: September

message: I was thinking about possibly getting some of the Ted Nasmith illustartions from the Silmarillion up particulary for the Manwe and Turin article.
-Dhawk1964 16:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's all the information you need.  I've contacted Anke and Dolfen through email before and they were generous enough to give permission — so I think that if you email  Ted Nasmith he'd be fine with it, as long as you explain the whole fair use issue thoroughly in Wikipedia.  I was also thinking of using his "Eärendil Searches Tirion" picture for the Tirion upon Túna article.  In fact, it might be best to ask him how many images he'll allow to be put on Wikipedia if he does give permission. —Mirlen 19:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Great.  If this thread gets archived and Ted Nasmith has responded, feel free to either pull it out again, or just tell me on talk page.  Thanks! —Mirlen 13:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Awesome.  Then I'm assuming that we're allowed to use his images?  I'll fix the Standards page, he can check the artwork we're using in the 'Fair use' section. —Mirlen 17:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Images

message: Middle-earth is being considered for removal of its featured article status. Please go to the review and try to address the concerns. If this is not done soon it will likely lose its featured status. Joelito (talk) 14:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle-earth Feature Article Removal Candidate

message: There is a Quenya language Wikipedia on the incubator site. The 'incubator' is something Wikimedia started recently to allow proposed projects to build articles and show whether they are actually viable or not. Anyone interested in Quenya might want to check it out. --CBD 10:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL! Actually written in Quenya! :-) Carcharoth 15:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm rather pessimistic whether a really good article entirely in Quenya can be made. And I am speaking as someone who knows the language very well. RashBold Talk to me 22:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I thought it odd that the first attempt was with Quenya rather than Sindarin (even that would be tough), but they are making a go at it. --CBD 01:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia in Quenya 

message: See Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Middle-earth. I tried to improve the article, but ran out of time. I think that it will be possible to improve it and resubmit it at some future date. I won't have time to do this until October, but do others have time before then to work on it? Carcharoth 10:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle-earth article defeatured 

message: Just discovered the existence of WP:WAF, which was created during my wikibreak, and I have now updated the Standards page to match the style guide.
New additions:
*1.8
Changes:
*2.2.1
*2.3.2
*4.1.5
Make sure to read the updated version, because there are crucial changes. —Mirlen 17:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Standards and WP:WAF

message: I created a new toy and am not quite sure what to do with it --> Click for random article.
Refresh the page / purge cache to get the link to update to a new random article. Your thoughts on how / whether this might be useful are welcome. --CBD 20:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For me, it keeps redirecting to J. R. R. Tolkien. —Mirlen 20:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a mix between Balrog and Gandalf for me, I can see the usefulness of this on a trivia page of some kind personally.  A person new to the Trilogy may find it useful, or to the editor who can't quite figure out what they want to do that day.  Keep up the good work! - KaoBear(talk) 20:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was to change. —Mirlen 17:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New toy 

message: Some time ago (if you look back in the archives), you can see that the  template was created in the likness of  template.  I want to do the same with other Wikipedia templates (i.e. cleanup, expand, in-universe, etc.) — except that it would used purely for Tolkien articles (i.e. just like how there are different kinds of stub templates).  The purpose in doing so is to make it easier for us to see which Tolkien articles need improvement, instead of having to sift through the massive 400+ list in categories.  In short, the purpose is for organisational means.  If there aren't any objections or comments, I'll take it as an affirmative to go ahead....Comments? —Mirlen 18:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent idea, especially for the massive amount of In-Universe articles that need to be worked on.  I say go for it and if you need any help let me know, at least what to clean up.  Not so good at the templates and what not as of yet, more of a writer of articles myself, will do anything to make sure the information presented is of the best quality however.  Tolkien deserves that much does he not? - KaoBear(talk) 20:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a section-stub template and put in Battle of the Morannon, but the category sorting's not working (Template:Tolkien-sectstub) Could anyone fix it? Uthanc 03:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's working.   Anyway, I'll go ahead and start with making the templates. —Mirlen 17:33, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks Wwoods. Really nice work.    —Mirlen 00:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Templates

message: *Battle of Ithilien and Battle of Amon Hen, created by some film fan, but lately modified. Since they're not major battles, would Skirmish/Ambush at Ithilien and Attack on Amon Hen work better? And since these fights are here, why not put Warg attack in Hollin too? 
: I agree that Amon Hen should be Attack on Amon Hen.  Note that Aragorn makes a series of judgements that turn out to be wrong, or seem wrong at the time.  He doesn't actually get involved in any of the fighting, despite his best efforts.
: Likewise Ambush at Ithilien, in the film it is too big to be a skirmish, while Tolkien's own account isn't clear how many fought.
: As for the warg attack, it is worth mentioning.  Not in Jackson, unless it was the root for the very different warg attack that was memorably shown in The Two Towers. --GwydionM 06:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Used Attack on Amon Hen and Ambush at Ithilien. Uthanc 07:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Created Minor battles in The Lord of the Rings, which includes these two plus the Warg attack in Hollin, the fight in the Chamber of Mazarbul, and the fight in the Tower of Cirith Ungol. Uthanc 06:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New articles

message: Themes in The Lord of the Rings violates "no original research" and "only use reliable sources". Also, some misinformed editor put racism charges in the article and in its talk page. (The J. R. R. Tolkien article itself has recently added a "views"section, which needs expanding/tweaking/watching, mainly to counter sweeping "Tolkien was a racist" statements.) Uthanc 03:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now removed that template. We need to keep an eye out for that sort of thing. It is a process called Proding, which is similar to deletion but only requires people to do nothing for 5 days, and then the article gets deleted. I've now removed the template, and we should expect the prodder to probably nominate it for deletion if they notice. Then the article can be defended at a proper deletion review. My view is that there is some worthwhile material there, and I would rather start from what is there, rather than delete it all and start from scratch (though I would have taken a different approach if I had started the article). As can be seen by my comments on the talk page for that article. Carcharoth 20:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I thought, after my de-prodding, the article is now up for a full deletion review. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Themes in The Lord of the Rings. There is a wide range of secondary literature on The Lord of the Rings. I agree that the current article in no way does the subject justice, but can anyone here summon the energy to defend the article in its current status? I'm going to go and make a passionate plea for the article. Carcharoth 22:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also gone to plead to the Pro-Deletioners to stay their hand. —Mirlen 01:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article may be deleted

message: More tags on the articles than text in the article. Surely someone should have cleaned this up by now? Dwarf_runes. Carcharoth 14:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but I don't know much about Dwarf runes so I would not be of much help. —Mirlen 00:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a minor article fork. Should that just be a redirect to Cirth with any salvagable material included there (if it is not already)? --CBD 14:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it should Bryan 11:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Embarassing!

message: This was an old plan, but I wanted to start it again now that we have a sufficient amount of members (though I realize that most of our members tend to be gnomish in nature, which is perfectly fine, of course ^^).  
If you see here, three Tolkien related articles participants here have majorly contributed to are listed there as paragons .  In time, I know we can do this with a majority of Tolkien related articles.  So, I wanted to start a collaboration for Tolkien related articles.  I want the collaboration to be fortnightly, but considering the current status of activity in our participants I would say it'd be best to have the collaborations monthly.  Comments? —Mirlen 00:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An absolutely wonderful plan that I say we should start immediately.  Another user and I have been hammering at Faramir for a week or two and we have done a great deal of work.  It is far from perfect of course, and I know that attentions are drawn to toher articles as well, but that type of teamwork is what we need.  I will wholeheartedly both support and participate in any collaboration project, be there weekly, fortnightly, monthly, etc... After all, I love working on these things.  - KaoBear(talk) 23:58, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad you approve  — any other comments? —Mirlen 00:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately  I am mostly Gnomish (or Gnomish as you like) but the idea sounds promissing. I see if I can scrape some free time (don't count on it) Bryan 11:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm new to Wikipedia and WikiProjects in general, so I don't know exactly how a collaboration works, but it sounds like a wonderful idea to me! I am dreadfully busy, but perhaps if it were monthly as you suggest I would be able to find time. I would gladly participate in any collaboration project. ~Dragon of Cavel 21:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaboration