Talk:David Stern

message: "Stern also received criticism in 2005 for negotiating a labour agreement that did not introduce any major change in the NBA system. The existing "soft" salary cap is considered ineffective in maintaining a competitive balance between teams and holding down the escalation of player salaries."
Is this really a widely held belief?  Certainly salaries among superstars have declined since the Shaquille O'Neal-Juwan Howard-Kevin Garnett heydey(with Shaq and KG still drawing astronomical sums due to being grandfathered in).  And competitive balance has never really been a strong suit of NBA basketball.  Other then in the 1970s there have tended to be 1 or 2 dominant teams.  Other then the Lakers in the mid 90s grabbing Shaq, I can't really think of a champion that really exploited a revenue advantage to win titles.
David Stern was arguably the worst commissioner the NBA has ever seen. He is exactly like Roger Goodell. He rigged the draft. He also ruined professional basketball.
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Is it really appropriate to have his religion in the opening phrase?  It does not seem particularly relevant to his work or his fame.
I DO NOT AGREE.  IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS HIS RELIGION IN HIS INTORDUCTION AS COMMISSIONER.  I REMOVED THAT REFERENCE.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.213.118.14 (talk • contribs) 
"Stern is considered by some to be the best commissioner in professional sports."  As to the preceding sentence, did Stern write it himself?  One could argue that the statement is sourced.  But what about the lack of dicussion of what many feel is overly dogmatic application of the rules that punish those who play fairly and reward those who don't, a criticism made in a wide variety of competing sports news organizations including Fox, ESPN, NBC, and many newspapers?
I am a sportswriter, not a fan, and don't really care who won the 2007 Spurs-Suns series. I just think if you are putting in a history of Stern, more should be put in about Stern's decision to essentially decide the NBA championship in 2007. Many have called the Suns-Spurs series was the real NBA championship series since the West was so strong and Utah benefited by Dallas being upset in the first round. That said, I can't remember any NBA title decided in such a fashion as this. A key point of contention by Phoenix officials was that Duncan went on the court in the same game 4 during another incident and was not suspended. Whether that was an altercation or not, is not the point. The point was it was highly contentious, and this part needs to be included to better understand what this decision by Stern meant. The series was tied when Stern made this decision, Phoenix had momentum for Game 5 going back to Phoenix and that was wiped out by Stern's decision. 98.204.186.237 (talk) 18:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: (comented out image transclusion.Drewcifer (talk) 05:00, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed image tag until image is uploaded.  

message: Is "called out" by rap star Nas in the song "Hip Hop Is Dead" which was released in December 2006 ahead of its album by the same name makes no sense if anyone understands it please write the meaning below
Mrsanitazier 9:08 AM Eastern Standard Time February 19,2006
it means Nas mentioned Stern in his song, "Hip Hop Is Dead" which was released before his album, also called "Hip Hop is Dead" 98.240.210.34 (talk) 12:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  no sense 

message: It looks like the pendulum has swung the other way. The "NBA Commissioner" section reads like it was written by the NBA league office.  And the only criticism of Stern's is about the microfiber ball? We need to find an appropriate balance here.  Funnyhat 05:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and include some negative criticism as long as its well sourced, also try not to violate the NPOV undue weight guidlines. In other words try to keep the size and amount of the ciriticism manageable. If you add too much I'm sure there are people here who will comment though, so feel free to add well sourced, relevant criticism. Quadzilla99 06:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, as long as it is sourced and neutral, so it doesn't violate WP:BLP, please feel free to make the article more balanced. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 06:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay I'm going to start cutting some of this and condensing it. It's getting near WP:UNDUE territory. The criticism section is dominating the article. See here specifically see here on WP:UNDUE:"Undue weight applies to more than just viewpoints. Just as giving undue weight to a viewpoint is not neutral, so is giving undue weight to other verifiable and sourced statements. An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject, but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements." I think the we can state some of these criticisms in a brief concise manner also a new section for each controversy is probably not a good idea either. Quadzilla99 17:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text: True.  I've removed it. Kuru talk 23:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Overly positive now?

message: "In the 1997 NBA playoffs, the NBA suspended five players following a brawl between the New York Knicks and Miami Heat. Some of the suspensions were required by a league rule, implemented under Stern, that provides an automatic one-game suspension to any player who leaves his team's bench during a fight, such as the supsension in the 2007 Playoffs from the Suns-Spurs Game. Several players who had not gotten involved in the fight were also suspended, prompting complaints from officials on both teams."
Suspension is spelled wrong in the first paragraph of 'Criticism and Controversy.'  It is spelled supsension.
:You can make the change yourself!  It is actually "suspension", although your's is probably a typo. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the page is temporarily semi-protected due to some 'seasonal' vandalism, I've made the change for you.  Thanks for pointing it out. Kuru talk 12:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, I didn't realize that the page was semi-protected.  --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 01:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling Error 

message: via a successful coup d'etat he wrestled control from the previous commissioner
what is this supposed to mean? if this is here, it needs details.
also, someone should mention the (not serious) conspiracy theory made popular by bill simmons about him supposedly fixing the 1985 draft lottery so that the knicks would end up with patrick ewing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.201.223.6 (talk • contribs).
:I've cleaned up that statement in the intro section.  Since it has some significantly negative connotations, it needs to be sourced. Kuru talk 17:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  intro 

message: Seems that there is no mention of the latest referree scandal. Although there are numerous news items to support this.
I personally don't know enough about it yet to change the page with reference to David Stern.
I agree something should be said about the referee gambling scandal last year, especially when Stern himself said: "I can tell you that this is the most serious situation and worst situation that I have ever experienced either as a fan of the NBA, a lawyer for the NBA or a commissioner of the NBA." http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2947237  Jacksonthor (talk) 21:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Referree Scandal

message: Nearly half of this article is a section on criticisms and controversies.  This gives undue weight to negative publicity that he might have received over the years.  He has also received positive press.  And, in any event, he's not such a polarizing figure that half his article should be a commentary on subjects barely related to him.  I'm going to tag this article with an NPOV template and remove the offending section.  Chicken Wing (talk) 08:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV concern 

message: I arrived in this article via a link and don't know too much about the NBA but most of the controversies section doesn't at the moment seem directly relevant to Stern. Only the match fixing section really relates to him as it has accusations that he directly influenced the games. The fathering children in many cities by players, criminal activities of players and the Pacers-Pistons brawl don't seem to belong here, but would be better suited elsewhere, maybe in the the main NBA article. Unless it has been stated somewhere that it is down to Stern that these problems have arisen. I'm wary of making chages to an article that I don't have much knowledge of though. Franmars (talk) 10:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the entire section.  This is a biography of a living person.  It's not a dumping ground for every libelous statement imaginable.  The first section that I deleted had nothing to do with Stern.  It was just a poorly sourced shotgun-style attack on the NBA in general.  The second section had only one source and was just a point of view dumping ground for various fringe attacks on the integrity of Stern.  It appeared as though two-thirds of the article was an attack on Stern, and that was just way out of line.  Chicken Wing (talk) 22:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a blog.  This is open content and open to editors.  Censoring controversies is not NPOV.  As long was there is a valid source, any controversy can be put in the article. Cmguy777 (talk) 17:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the Tim Donaghy scandal.  I was brief and to the point avoiding POV.  I added a direct quote from Commissioner Stern.  His interview is on video.  He was candid and did not avoid any questions.  If their was any POV; Stern handled the betting scandal quite well. Cmguy777 (talk) 01:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it. The material has almost nothing to do with Stern. --Ronz (talk) 21:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Gotta add, this doesn't sound right on that first point about draft fixing: "This is why the Knicks have had bad karma since then, and will continue to do so until Stern comes clean about him fixing the draft lottery."  It's locked though and I can't edit/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.1.50 (talk) 19:24, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies Section 

message: Is this really necessary for the intro?  He is already categorized under "American Jews" which means precisely that his parents were Jewish (unless he converted, which is unusual).  Why do unregistered users feel the need to highlight this in the lead?  It's not like he's a rabbi or something.  Editor437 (talk) 23:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok - Sgt. Dizzle Guy and her various IPs are the source of the focus on Stern's ethnicity - note that she is a sockpuppet and should be reverted and ignoredEditor437 (talk) 05:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Stern's ethnicity only needs to be briefly mentioned.  If he came from a Jewish family or background, that is signifigant, yet that should not be emphasised in the article, especially concerning his parent's faith. Cmguy777 (talk) 18:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I've also reverted several IPs who add that he is Jewish in the lead. The most recent edit summary was "David Stern is a JEW". What would be the appropriate warning template to use on these IPs? BurtAlert (talk) 22:52, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born to Jewish Parents? 

message: It might be hard to work in with a neutral POV, but could we add a "Ridiculous, nonsensical public statements that even he could not possibly believe" or a "Early foundations of a CYA strategy for when he axes the WNBA"? It seems to make sense, given this link...http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4715078  Please remember that gwopy loves you and wants you to be happy. 07:23, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section? 

message: referees should be closely watched in bank accounts and spending habbits
so as not to fix games as previosly done and said to have been done by many
its playoff ball let them play ball and stop  the bad refereeing
coaches know and so do fans
removed this: "Including the NBA's "Let's Get Kobe Another Ring,So Everyone Forget's About Colorado'." from the NBA section on charities. There is no such charity, and seems to be a product of irrelevant posting. 
76.117.162.7 (talk) 02:23, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  referees 

message: Controversial is spelled wrong in first paragraph
131.128.73.6 (talk) 02:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Done RudolfRed (talk) 05:41, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2014 

message: I recently found out on ESPN and read on the internet that David Stern will be inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame this year. I also found an article from NBA.com about his impending induction as a reference. Hope it will suffice. Mr. Brain (talk) 00:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Stern in the Hall of Fame in 2014. 

message: The fraternity in his early life section was changed incorrectly. It was changed to Sigma Delta Tau which is a sorority. 
Please revert this edit and perhaps prevent the user from editing this page. 
The change was made here: 00:48, 3 February 2014‎ Yeabsira (talk | contribs)‎ . . (24,907 bytes) (+4)‎ . . (→‎Early life)
 - Thanks for pointing that out - the vandalism in February was the last edit made by that user, I have warned them, but they cannot be blocked as any vandalism must be "current" and "on-going" - Arjayay (talk) 08:43, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Protected Edit Request 

message: CHANGE "His first association with the NBA in 1966 was as an outside counsel at Proskauer Rose. In 1978, Stern became the NBA's General Counsel under Larry O'Brien..."
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"Stern's first affiliation with the NBA came in 1966 when he was hired at Proskauer, Rose, Goetz & Mendelsohn, LLP, the law firm that represents the league.  He was the lead attorney representing the firm in the case of Robertson vs National Basketball Association, the landmark lawsuit brought against the NBA by star player Oscar Robertson.  Stern helped the league negotiate a settlement that allowed the NBA/ABA merger to proceed in return for the NBA abolishing the "option" clause in its uniform player contract and allowing players to become free agents for the first time.
In 1978, Stern left Proskauer Rose to become the NBA's General Counsel under Commisioner Larry O'Brien..."
THESE FIXES PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR HOW STERN FIRST BECOME INVOLVED WITH THE NBA Fiffletrig (talk) 03:56, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 13:59, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2017 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The final paragraph of the Controversies section contains this sentence:
"Popovich has frequently sat out his starters on road trips over the years in order to ensure they have enough rest for the playoffs, the Spurs are one of the oldest teams in the league."
This sentence is grammatically incorrect. I would either split it into two sentences or remove the second part, having the sentence end with "playoffs." 
There is also no source provided for the statement, so it may be worth noting that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.57.83 (talk) 00:03, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies 

message: Oct. 9, 2019 - David Stern has been named the executive-in-residence this fall for the Mark H. McCormack Department of Sport Management at the Isenberg School of Management of the University of Massachusetts Amherst.https://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/article/former-nba-commissioner-david-stern-named
JonSliva (talk) 12:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Named Executive-in-Residence at UMass Amherst 

message: David Stern has died, I would like to edit this. 66.169.170.237 (talk) 21:09, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Already added – Thjarkur (talk) 21:39, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2020