Talk:Bombay East Indians

message: In USA, native americans are called Indians. To distinguish Indians (from India) from American Indians, they are ALWAYS referred as east Indians who are Hindus.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vwalvekar (talk • contribs) 05:18, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: East Indians = East Indian Catholics ?

message: @SpacemanSpiff and @Deepak D'Souza
Please elaborate about the template. Meanwhile, in the absence of any explanation on the talk page, im reverting the page back. Maggot  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.204.166.59 (talk) 17:44, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed protection. This article seems to be target of group vandalism. Kindly leave this article alone and get a life. Best regards. Unknownbroadway (talk) 16:46, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, so the admin of that site needs to follow the instructions at the consent form and send it to permissions-en@wikimedia.org to verify that he owns the copyright. Then we can put it up without the notice. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 16:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
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message: Can citations be please provided to prove use of force for the conversion of these people? 
I have books which I consider reliable and which state that Catholic missionaries spent a lot of time and effort at evangelizing them over a long period of years, often more than hundred years, but nothing about the use of force. 
Force would also be meaningless, when Portuguese control was only a few kilometers deep on the coast and people who did not wish to be "forced" could easily slip over into more "congenial" neighborhoods! 
On a personal note, I am not at all surprised that a "Christian" Goan, who favors India and the humiliations it has unjustly and unwarrantedly imposed upon Goa, out of an implicitly anti-Catholic motivation, and against the Goans who are predominantly a Christian people, brainlessly parrots this vile canard, and passes it off as gospel truth. Speak of Sado-Masochism! 
He would make an exemplary recruit to the RSS / VHP / Sangh Parivar. 
Or isn't he already there? 
What next? Goosesteps? "Heil Hitler"? Narendra Modi is already 90% there! 
WikiSceptic 17:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forced conversion? 

message: East Indians, at least in North America, does not have the same meaning. Will this not lead to confusion?--Filll 18:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion

message: most of the original content on the East Indians of Bombay were put up on wikipedia by myself at the same time when the website www.east-indians.com was setup. Most of the content has been research upon through visits to local people, existing books, interaction with religious leaders, community leaders as well as information on the internet. while most have a biased view of wanting India to be exclusively Hindu and every other religion to be foreign, the debate often will remain on how long ago does a religion have to be prevalent to be called original. A historic fact is that St. Bartholomew was in the outskirts of present Bombay and his gospel was found there. it is also a biblical fact that the apostles went in two's and that St. Thomas and St. Bartholomew traveled together eastwards. Hence proving that Christianity was known to the people around present Bombay since 5AD. Similarly various travelers have during different periods of time found settlements of Christians around present Bombay. Of course there could not have been roman catholics in that time, as the Church moved to Rome much later (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church). Hence logically Christianity was there here in the west of India as it was in the south of India, since the earliest of time. The only difference is that Christians of west India (namely Bombay and surroundings) got themselves baptised by the Portuguese and came into the Roman Catholic fold, whereas the south Indian refused to do so, thus being called (formerly) orthodox Christians or Syrians Christians. one may ask why would Christians baptise themselves to become Roman Catholics, the answer is simple, while in the early days priests were being sent from Mesopotamia to Bombay, but with the fall of Constantinople to the turks, these priest could not come to Bombay, hence the people of Bombay only knew Christ by faith and teachings of parents, but were nominal Christians as the sacraments were not bestowed upon them for lack of priests.
it should be noted here that the reason Bombay is referred to here as Present Bombay (or Mumbai), Bombay in context with history was formed after merging 7 islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombay) however few chose to mention that these 7 islands are from mahim to colaba. Bombay of those days DID NOT include Salsette, something that is not even mentioned in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombay. Similarly I will not debate the name Mumbai which is supposed to be from the name of Mumbadevi temple built in 1675 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumba_Devi_Temple) and yet strangely the world knew of Bombay since early 1500. Also while historians choose to credit Bombay to be exclusively orginated by Kolis, perhaps they are taking (still far fetched) only of the 7 islands of bombay or perhaps of just that one paticular island of Bombay (distinct from the overall 7 islands). And of course none of them could ever talk of Salsette, which is a muchbigger land mass and an island not given to the British, but kept with the Protuguese, till the Maratha army conquered it and gave it as a friendly gift to the British. That period is well remembered by the local Christian population, because local innocent (civilians) were killed because they were Christians. if you go around Bombay you will still see records of these attrocities. hence the talk of Portuguese forcefully converting people (correct or not) automatically dies off as a conversation when so called "redeeming" Marathas chose to kill people for following a particular religion. 
Back to the East Indian conversation. 
Over a period of time, there were very many catholic in Bombay (7 islands of Bombay and island of Salsette and thana), some adopting/retaining their old caste names, having lived in Bombay for centuries found out that they were loosing out on jobs and opportunities by Catholics from out of Bombay. Hence, they chose to get under one umbrella and call themselves "the East Indians of Bombay" in a letter to Queen Victoria on her Diamond Jubilee.
I hope this give you a fair idea of things and perspective of the East Indians of Bombay. Most of the above detail is available on www.east-indians.com and further snippets can be found on www.east-indians.net. 
Prem Moraes (talk) 19:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: East Indians of Bombay

message: See the discussion at East Indian people talk page concerning potential renaming of this article. To keep the discussion consolidated please add you thoughts and opinions on that talk page, instead of here. Abecedare (talk) 04:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
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message: Hi, can someone please explain as to why this page has been semi-protected? Thanks Jackson
Jacdsouza (talk) 13:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was protected with this change which gave the explanation as: "repeated removal of copyvio tag; protection can be removed once the copyvio bit is tested" Tim Pierce (talk) 19:40, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Also Explained at WP:SILVERLOCK. Please use  on your talkpage to ask for help. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 19:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
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message: Much of the text here is copied verbatim from the Baptista book. Though author is referenced, the text should either be properly quoted or paraphrased with proper citations. 
Also, the historical origins of the East Indians is a politicized matter tied to struggles for recognition of the community under the British and in contemporary India: i.e. being the more authentically native Christians of the area viz-a-viz the Goanese; veracity of the Bartholomew story, etc. This should be discussed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:D180:868:5C16:CD47:4A87:8434 (talk) 15:24, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved to Bombay East Indians, consensus favours alternative proposal (closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs (talk) 11:45, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: East Indians →  – Given the number of ethnic groups also known as "East Indians" identified in the hatnote, this is probably not the primary topic.  Pageviews are nowhere near 50%.  Move article to make room for a dabpage, per WP:NOPRIMARY. 162 etc. (talk) 21:51, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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