Talk:List of professional sports leagues

message: Are all these cricket leagues really pro ???
Remember this article is about PROFESSIONAL sport leagues  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.206.109 (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cricket in the Netherlands certainly isn't professional Cattivi (talk) 18:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cricket really?

message: There should probably be a category for motorcycle racing - MotoGP, World Super Bike, AMA, etc. Ken (talk) 07:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Motorcycle Racing

message: I've added the German Football League to the list as it is fully professional, as stated in this news story. I'm sure the Austrian League is also fully pro, but I haven't found any sources to back this up yet. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 11:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: it's not a pro league (sometimes news stories elements are wrong) see the german page!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.216.89.205 (talk) 09:17, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  German Football League 

message: Why is the Bangladeshi league professional? Any evidence for this outrageous claim? Spiderone (talk) 08:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bangladesh football 

message: There are virtually no references on this page. If you are claiming a sporting league is professional please add a reliable source.The Hack 07:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of references 

message: There are very few professional clubs in any sport in Ireland, included Northern Ireland. Rugby League is mainly amateur, football has some pro or semi-pro clubs not many and as for cricket, there are no pro clubs. So these have been removed as the lead states "This list attempts to show those sports leagues for which all players and teams are paid to play" , none meet the criteria and a quick glance over the article I doubt that these are the only ones that should be removed.Murry1975 (talk) 18:40, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The IFA Premiership and the League of Ireland are professional leagues. Hence I've restored them to the list. Mooretwin (talk) 16:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I see mind you have you read the lead. This article needs either clearing out, or seperate them. The IFA Premiership isnt list as professional in by the football task force neother are the two LOI division , Wexford Youths as a fact are FULLY AMATEUR. Murry1975 (talk) 17:11, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what being listed "as professional in by the football task force" means, but the IFA Premiership is fully professional. I think it is splitting hairs to exclude the League of Ireland based on one amateur team out of twenty-two(?) in the League as a whole. Essentially, it's a professional league. Mooretwin (talk) 23:28, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Its the criteria for inclusion of notability for sports people, they list professional leagues and niether are included , they even have a ref for the LOI. The article is poor as hell. Title pro leagues and then states semi-pro leagues , it could be divided into fully pro and semi. Not many teams are pro in the LOI, most now are semi with players picking to a living off of other work I dont think it should be included. Mind you who ever included the Irish RL and cricket should do a bit of research how many pro-cricketers in Ireland , seven with a central CUI contract, and as for RL the league is formative but not in anyway professional .Murry1975 (talk) 23:38, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi = pro. They get paid. The intro says the article covers semi-pro. Mooretwin (talk) 23:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why its a poor article. Its like stating world cup winners and throwing in the finalists.Murry1975 (talk) 00:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. Semi-pro,  by definition, is pro. It's not as if any official distinction is made by the authorities. :Mooretwin (talk) 09:53, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Morning, semi-pro is "semi"-pro by definition, the players are otherwise employed. Have went to the sports task force, a quick look over the article -and comments here- would show it needs addressing not only in the Irish case.Murry1975 (talk) 10:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Professional means they get paid. Doesn't matter if they have other jobs too. Semi-pro is a subset of pro not something completely separate. Mooretwin (talk) 10:29, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

text: The problem is, since there is no formal categorisation or designation of "pro" or "semi-pro", how do we distinguish between a "pro" league and a "semi-pro" league? It's not black and white. Many leagues, presumably, consist of both pro and semi-pro teams. Many league teams will have both pro and semi-pro players.  Take the Conference in England, for example - most clubs are fully pro but some are not. How does it get classified? Mooretwin (talk) 11:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The football task force states where most teams are fully professional, the ability to play regularly against players and teams on a par with this. LOI clubs with say 6 players who are solely paid by the club dilute the professionalism of the league. As you said some Conference clubs are semi-pro but its not a pro league and teams promoted to the football league go fully professional and play against such.Murry1975 (talk) 16:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Who says it's not a "pro league"? There is no such designation. Mooretwin (talk) 16:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Who says? The definition at football task force labels it as such.Murry1975 (talk) 16:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But on what basis do they label it as such? Mooretwin (talk) 22:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the articles and the talkpages, its what I do, lol. They have good criteria, the IFA prem and LOI are not included. This is the guideline criteria for inclusion of notability for footballers, thats how I came across it. I followed on from a redlink to a deleted player article to the football project and then onto this article. How you come across it?Murry1975 (talk) 22:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Breifly here , but also evidence here  in certain sections. Where have you found grounds to support bud? And why didnt you answer my question above? Thanks in advance.Murry1975 (talk) 10:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ireland 

message: I was looking for other Track and Field professional leagues besides the Samsung Diamond league and came across this page.
I couldn't see any listed, nor did I even see Diamond League listed.
Track and Field should be a section. And the Samsung Diamond League should be included as well. (diamondleague.com)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.218.113 (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Track & Field / Cross Country Running (Athletics) 

message: In the basketball section there is a league listed:
NBA Summer Pro League
which has no page--but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Summer_League sure looks like the right page.  Since I'm not sure what to do about conflicting names I'll leave this for someone more versed in the ways of Wikipedia to fix. Loren Pechtel (talk) 00:22, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup needed in the basketballs 

message: NRLUS redirects to American National Rugby League.
It doesn't make sense to have two names here that lead to the same page but I don't know what should be done to fix it. Loren Pechtel (talk) 19:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup needed in rugby 

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message: I propose to merge List of professional sports leagues by country here. This article is already showing the countries. A sortable table will allow sorting by either sport or country, which will make the "...by country" article redundant. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:17, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding "Merge": Given there is not a list that would allow sorting by sport or country, the article List of professional sports leagues by country is not redundant, and there should not be a merger of these articles until such a table is created, if indeed it is at all. The article only needs expansion, and aide with that would be much appreciated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgio (talk • contribs) 04:51, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  So, looks like you wouldn't oppose if such a sortable table is indeed created. I will create it in a few weeks, once enough time has passed for other comments in this discussion. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 15:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merge. P199, it looks like there are no objections (subject to the existence of sortable lists) over more than a year. Klbrain (talk) 20:56, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal June 2018

message: New sports (American football) league launched in Aug 2018, it has four teams in Cal. and four others in the Eastern US. Not sure if it'll last over one season, but here's their web site. https://www.developmentalfootball.com/ 12.218.47.124 (talk) 05:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Developmental Football International (DFI) 

message: I recently edited this article by removing the entire list and replacing it with a sortable table. It has since been undone on the grounds that it contains few entries. However, since the idea has been appreciated, I would recommend that instead of removing the edit, the table was expanded by further editing to feature as many, if not more entries in the list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThompsonJT (talk • contribs) 09:53, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing the list to a sortable table 

message: Hello everyone,
I know this has been talked about in the past but it should be raised again - this page is a mess:
- The formatting is inconsistent for every sport.
- Many of the sections contain inaccurate information, including extinct leagues.
- Some of the sports here don't necessarily have "leagues" but "tournaments", such as MMA and MOST of boxing and tennis.
I am prepared to overhaul the page completely to give it a consistent format and up-to-date information for every section, however I would like some advice and recommendations from people here (especially from admins) for how to proceed.
I have a few questions concerning the above:
- Which format do you think is the best to adopt (I'm a little biased towards the format I used for both rugby codes so I would like other opinions too)?
- Which sports should be omitted from the list due to having too many leagues? Currently, this applies to association football and basketball, although I would add auto racing and esports to this list.
- Should tournaments and organisations not in a traditional league format (e.g. UFC) be included in the list or removed?
- When it comes to women's sports, should they be given their own subsection for each sport or be included in the men's section for each league system?
Many thanks,
ATrueCelt (talk) 12:01, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full page cleanup suggestions? 

message: While I can understand why Minor League Baseball technically could be classified as semi-pro, it certainly isn't a professional league. The professional league by all accounts is the MLB. I do concede to the idea it is worth mentioning MILB, I also feel it should not be mentioned as a professional league. I submit that simply being paid is not the only criteria. If you are part of a league that has a higher tier so to speak, the tier at the highest should be labelled as the professional league. This is also why the NBA G league is not a professional league. In my opinion, MILB and the G League are as much professional sports as NCAA or exhibition teams like The Globetrotters.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redsoxrox53 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  American MLB Professionals