Talk:Church (congregation)

message: Nicely done, CTSWyneken. —Aiden 19:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Creation 

message: Moved article to Local church to conform with wiki guidelines and naming convention.  Content and About Boiler at top clearly indicated the article was about local churches, not any Christian organization.  Ad.minster (talk) 19:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: Hi, I have a question for the editors of this page: Do you think the see also section of this article should include, Local churches. There is almost the 'name similarity' and quite a bit of subject similarity (too) among these two articles. I included the Local churches but one of my friend removed it. Give your feedback. Thanks, HopeChrist (talk) 21:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  see also section 

message: There is no mention of the origin of "church" -- neither of the actual word nor of the concept. Only once is the word "Bible" mentioned, and that's as part of "Bible Studies". It should mention the Day of Pentecost (in the book of Acts) and the first time the word is found in the Bible, in Matthew 16:18. --Musdan77 (talk) 19:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I think that would be helpful. I also think a section under the heading titled "Universal vs. Local Church" or some other variant of that heading title would be warranted as these two aspects are sometimes brought up in the discussion of what a local church is. Not everyone agrees that there are these two aspects of the church but that could also be included in the discussion.--Theophilus144 (talk) 20:20, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important info missing 

message: Unitarian Universalists often refer to their local congregations as churches and use the term local church to describe them. This is not reflected in the artificial as it is correctly written. I edited this artificial to make mention of this but my edits where reverted by Theophilus144. Their rational was "Unrelated to article" to which I disagree with. I am not saying that this fact need to have a prominent mention, but I feel for accuracy it dose need at lest a little mention. How then best we include this fact, keeping in mined that this artificial probably ought to focus primarily on how this term is used by Christians and Christian groups.
:Do you think it's possible to add another section at the end of the article describing other groups who may also make use of this term but that do not traditionally fall within the pale of Christian denominationalism or organizations.  It just seemed a little out of place in the lead to single out one group. I'm guessing you don't want Unitarian Universalists to be identified with Christian organizations but I don't think this exception should be made in the lead of the article when the common understanding is that the term local church is usually used within the sphere of Christian denominationalism and circles. I'm not against mentioning Unitarian Universalists. I just think it should have its own section towards the end of the article, that is if you feel like Unitarian Universalists aren't being covered by this article.--Theophilus144 (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel a section on UUs use of the term would give UU to much weight in the article. I would suggest instead we go with something slimier to what was the opening two sentence of the church (building) article back on 13:33, January 16, 2014, which was as follows "A church building, often simply called a church, is a building used for religious activities, particularly worship services. The term in its architectural sense is most often used by Christians to refer to their religious buildings but can be used by other religions." It then went on to simply focus on church buildings within Christianity. I think this kind of mention would suffice. --Devin Murphy (talk) 18:54, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Unitarian Universalists also use the term "local church"

message: I haven't seen an article in that kind of poor state in months. Most of the text has no verification at all and seems to be original research. The few sources in the article hardly seem to be reliable. :
*The Bruce R. Hopkins source is from a guide for managing nonprofit organizations. It is quoting decisions from some kind of tax court, without specifying the country or date of the decisions. 
*The Joe T. Odle source is quoting another source from the 1920s, about how many times the word "church" is used in the New Testament. The correct answer is none. The texts were written in Koine Greek and the term used is Ecclesia, the Greek generic term for an "assembly" or "congregation". The article on the Christian Church already contains the etymology. 
*The John Locke source is the philosopher's personal understanding of the term and dates to the 17th century. This is a primary text. Per Primary, secondary and tertiary sources: "Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. ... Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them."
*The Ben Lunis source is about the term "church" in the New Testament and has nothing to do with the John Locke quote.
*The 5th source is a welcome message from the  "Congregational Church of North Barnstead". I have no idea where that is, but it is used to support statements about all congregational churches.
*The 6th and final source is the self-description on the website of the "Guilden Morden Congregational Church". Again used to support statements on all churches.
None of the sources seem to be reliable, and the Odle source seems to misunderstand the New Testament. Dimadick (talk) 01:11, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: This title is bad. It is not about Church but about congregaton. Kapeter77 (talk) 14:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's about both. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:29, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Necrothesp But its misleading!!!!Kapeter77 (talk) 15:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Hard to get a title that isn't. Hence the decision above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:09, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

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