Talk:The French Angel

message: What a facinating and rather sad story. The only edits I'd make are my usual wording "polishes"..mainly at the beggining. For instance, it is standard in a biography article to have the birth and death,if applicable, dates right following the first mention of the subject's name. The final paragraph seems fine as is. Now there's a Ghost in the Machine! --R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 09:29, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial edit 

message: So far this is one site I have found, but I will add others if I can find them.
Spawn Man 00:16, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey that's at least SOMETHING, which is more than I could find on the subject. So we have one mention in a book and a four year old posting on a message forum. I'll keep hunting too. So tired...so very tired --R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 11:43, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Sources: 

message: I'm not sure if this could be verified, but people claim that Shrek was written from Maurice Tillet 
:If it is true, this info should be added. --Monk 11:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he does look like Shrek. But, he isn't green. -The Bold Guy- 12:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I read somewhere, Shrek was allegedly modeled from one of the three lifecasts that were cast off Tillets head before he died. The said mask is located at the York Barbell Museum. 80.217.91.247 (talk) 19:46, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats true you heard right. You can google to verify it the CGI of Shrek was modeled like Maurice Tillet.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.203.55.24 (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Although the source that is currently cited for the fact that Shrek is based off of him makes a comparison between him and Shrek, it does not serve to directly verify the claim.  There is no actual evidence on that page that Dreamworks used his likeness to make Shrek.  Does anyone have an alternate source?CrocodilesAreForWimps (talk) 02:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

text: According to this article at Buzzfeed, Shrek's appearance was based on Tillet. Not sure where they got the info, though. — Loadmaster (talk) 18:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shrek? 

message: A story exists that, in 1980, 25 years after Tillet's death, Patrick Kelly installed a computerized chess machine which he frequently played against, next to Tillet's mask. One morning, Kelly played against the computer. That morning, the computer deviated from its set program and used a different style of play, including the French 18th Century Opening chess move. On further inspection, Kelly observed that the computer wasn't even plugged in. This supposedly happened on numerous occasions, but only as long as Tillet's mask was nearby. Kelly claims that he had engineers X-ray and check both the mask and the computer, but that nothing unusual was found. 
:This needs a reliable source to be added to the article. Tim Vickers 23:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paranormal anecdote 

message: Unless his condition included ageing faster, I don't see how Mr. Tillet could die at 51 in 1955 if he was born in 1910.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.67.177.33 (talk) 16:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates mistake 

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 07:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Tillet winning the AWA Championship should be clarified because that's not Gagne's title and likely has nothing to do with Gagne's title.  Which region or territory are we talking about?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.197.143 (talk) 21:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  AWA 

message: In this article about Tillet, he is called "The French Angel". I've found one image where he is actually called "The Swedish Angel" (Which wouldn't make any sense though, since he wasn't Swedish.) Image source: http://slices-of-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/mauricetilllet_headsize.jpg 80.217.91.247 (talk) 19:51, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a wrestler (Phil Olaffson) who competed as The Swedish Angel, but I think it's likely that the image caption is just a misprint. Tillet only competed as The French Angel from what I can tell. NiciVampireHeart 15:47, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname? 

message: The "influence" section had
It's ref'd to Huffpost. And google says there are are a couple similar articles; there's clearly been some level of copying but not completely.  
    
Bot, nobody's actually speculated that the Angel was inspiration for Shrek, if they did it's not recorded that I could find. A writer, or maybe more than one, saw the Angel's picture and said "hey he looks like Shrek". Lots of people look like other people, but so. It's easy for a writer to change "I speculate..." to "People speculate..." but I don't trust HuffPost's independed fact-checking operation to confront the writer with "well, what people? Name some."
Anyway, the movie Shrek is based on the book Shrek! by William Steig, and Steig drew Shrek kind of like the movie one, and that's what he's based on, Steig's drawings. If the movie's artists did look at people with acromegaly for inspiration on details (not that that would have been necessary) there's no reason to believe that the Angel in particular was the main one. So a couple rando hobos woolgathering about things that aren't so aren't worth reporting, so I removed the section, restore it if you like and we can talk. Herostratus (talk) 21:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: I removed the "Influence" section and here's why

message: I'm curious about what sort of sources we have for his origins? The claim that he was born in the Ural mountains to French parents seems only to be supported by anecdotal evidence. Also, the Urals are an incredibly long mountain range, so I would think that any kind of official documentation of his birth would provide a more specific record of where, precisely, within that mountain range he was born. Also, do we have any kind of idea why a French couple was living in the Urals in the first place? I would assume that his father's job as a railroad engineer would have something to do with it, but is there evidence of the practice in other sources? I know that the Russians routinely engaged western Europeans in various roles as part of the project of empire, but I was curious if it fit a specific pattern? Evansknight (talk) 14:52, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentary sources?