Talk:Dunmanway killings

message: This article still needs substantial work. Most of the more glaring POV problems have been dealt with, but there are still a few remaining. 
*The most glaring is in what should be the main section of the article - "Killings in Dunmanway, Balneen, Ennsikeane and Clonakilty". This section needs to be re-written. First of all, after each of the dead mentioned is a kind of character assassination -"this one was an informer", that one was "preying on the children's innocence". Taken straight from Meda Ryan. It's ok to have this interpretation in the article, but giving right after the killings is giving it undue weight and ascribing a motive for the killings which is disputed.
*Secondly, aside from the POV angle, the article is too long and clumsy. The problem here is that competing editors have, in the absence of discussion, been adding more and more referenced facts. This is a bit out of control now - so that article is lopsided. Basically the content in the background section is ok, but the presentation is not. It needs to be condensed right down so it's a clear and concise intro to someone who doesn't know anything about the subject.
Thoughts please. Jdorney (talk) 11:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that they were informers should be mentioned regardless whether is before or after each name is mentioned. Giving undue weight and ascribing a motive for the killings other than they were informers should not be given undue weight because of the lack of supporting evidence. I see nothing wrong with adding more referenced facts as long as its informative and relevant. --Domer48'fenian' 13:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - should we give explicit reference where the facts indicate that the person shot was not an informer? Like: "Though the old man was not the informer they came looking for they shot him anyway" type of thing? Sarah777 (talk) 14:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be; "They were shot." Next paragraph. "This one was alleged to have been an informer. This may have been the reason he was shot". Jdorney (talk) 14:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a verifiable claim that all 10 were alleged informers? Sarah777 (talk) 16:19, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still needs work 

message: Where are the "captured British military intelligence files" now?86.42.210.90 (talk) 17:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Where are the files now?

message: I am not sure if @Gob Lofa intended to delete the sourced text that was deleted (see ), so I restored. If it's deletable just explain why in the edit summary. Quis separabit? 23:42, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I did. It's a straw man. Gob Lofa (talk) 00:10, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  @Gob Lofa: I removed part and did a lot of rewording. See what you think and fix as you see fit. Yours, Quis separabit? 00:27, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather leave the reference to the list out of the lede, since the same source seems to go on to say the list never existed. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Diffs

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message: The article currently says that "Three other men were kidnapped and executed" and "the killings were carried out by the IRA even if it is not clear who precisely ordered their execution". The use of the words 'executed' and 'execution' may imply that the men in question had committed crimes or were being punished. I suggest that saying "Three other men were kidnapped and killed" and "the killings were carried out by the IRA even if it is not clear who precisely ordered them" would be more neutral. Alekksandr (talk) 21:26, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Executed/killed?