Talk:Penal transportation

message: What a whishy-washy description!!  The British convict system of the 18th century was harsh, brutal, cruel, often in-humane and destroyed the lives of many families and communities.  Many, many died in the system, some through the treatment they were subjected to, others by merely being in the system, suffering disease and illness due to their living conditions.
This article should be written to reflect the reality of life as a convict, not just the historical facts.  I have 5 transported convicts as ancestors and after some research I now understand a little more of the lives they were forced to lead.--Mikeh 12:44, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Australia has been embarassed by the convict beginnings, but more recently, as the time passes and it is more remote, it has been embraced.  Australia is regarded as initially a convict settlement because the first three fleets were convict based, although on each of them there were free settlers. But in the US, they like to refer to the pilgrms and the Mayflower as the origin.  They gloss over theit convict heritage, which lasted twice as long as Australia's.  They did have indentured convicts, but it was nevetherless a substantial convict colony. It was the American revolution in 1776 whch stopped the flow of convicts, and the British evnetually turned to Australia (NSW) in 1787.  Although it is interesting to note that the worst convicts were not sent to Australia (they needed trades and craftmen to found NSW); and indeed the British are descendents of a greater number of their own convicts (and worse) than Australia. But both nations will try to ignore this. I think the US is more ashamed of their business of stealing human beings and selling them at this time. Alan Davidson 15:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Please check the discussion page on Pacific Solution Paki.tv 02:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: please discuss changes here.  Paki.tv 00:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition and inclusion of Pacific Solution

message: As much as it pains me, I have to agree with PJ that the edit the term is still used to refer to contemporary state actions with regards movement of prisoners, such as extraordinary rendition by the US as well as the Australian Pacific Solution [1]. is not really well supported, nor does it read well, nor does it belong in a lede, and would read better in other articles.  Reference [1] does not support that it is commonly used, but rather that a (single) author suggests it an analogy.  Are there additional references to verify that it is in usage (perferably common usage)?  It would be better to have it out of the lede (per WP:LEAD) and have a note to the effect "Commentators have refered to the Pacific Solution as Transportation" over in Pacific Solution.  Also we need a source for the Ex Rendition claim and again, it would be better for the reference to be in that article rather than here.  At the moment, it's usage here has a hint of trying to make a point rather than making the article more encyclopedic.  Shot info 01:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Common Usage

message: I think that transportation was abolished:
#by the Penal Servitude Act 1853, except for offences for which a person could be sentenced to transportation for life, or to a term of 14 years or more, and
#by section 2 of the Penal Servitude Act 1857, for all offences.
So, why does the article say that it was abolished in 1868? James500 (talk) 23:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The situation seems a little complicated: see Penal Servitude Act 1891. Richard75 (talk) 00:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of abolition 

message: I wonder if we should include transportation of Al Qaeda terrorists to Gitmo as penal transportation. 192.12.88.7 (talk) 01:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See Guantanamo Bay detention camp for more information. 192.12.88.7 (talk) 01:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Guantanamo Bay

message: I've added some background, but the whole article is very British-centric, and more on the French system would be useful. Chrismorey (talk) 01:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit 

message: Shouldn't it be part  of this section aswell? 
Taking into account the project ran for over three centuries until the mid fifties of the twentieth century and in all probability encompassed the forced relocation of over 150.000 orphans and non-orphans out of British poor families to the whole Commonwealth?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.91.175.221 (talk) 10:59, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project "Home children" 

message: This article seems pretty much duplicative of the penal colony article. Why exactly are there two separate articles?Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 14:53, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger with [[penal colony]]? 

message: I am an italian student from a History of English Culture class and as part of my exam I have been assigned this article to improve. I have to add a detailed paragraph about 17th & 18th centuries history and something related to the Transportation Act (1718). Gio1291 (talk) 20:49, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improving History elements 

message: Hi ! I read your "Historical Background" paragraph and I found it very interesting. In my opinion there's something you can improve. I saw that you're going to talk about the Transportation Act, and it would be useful if you could add some more historical information about how this Act changed and simplified the penal system. You could also add more notes in order to offer helpful sources. I think that your paragraph would be easier to read if you make some adjustments to the layout by adding some more line-spacing when you start a new topic. Let me know what you think about my suggestions and if you want to take a look on my project "Bounty (Reward)", so that I could improve my work as well. Have a nice day! Patrick.ucciardo (talk) 15:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for Ca' Foscari Wikiproject 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Substituted at 02:35, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: This article is all about transportation from Great Britain and Ireland with only one line referring to transportation from France. In light of this I propose renaming it to Penal transportation from Great Britain and Ireland and if anyone decides to write about transportation from other countries they can start a new article. if this isn't done some busybody who wants everyone else to do the work for them is liable to stick a globalization tag on it which will remain there until somebody decides to expand the article to include other countries, which will probably be never. Richerman (talk) 18:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I rearranged to make it more world-wide. Yes, it is largely Great Britain and Ireland, but it also touches on ancient Rome, France, India, and the Soviet Union. That info was already there, just buried. In addition, the current (new) structure will make future additions easier as other editors add content for other countries/areas. I think the article name should remain as "Penal transportation". — Molly-in-md (talk) 23:39, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming proposal 

message: This subject deeply affects world history, so this article could use additional info and linking. Here are some sources for further expansion:
* A Global History of Convicts and Penal Colonies, published in 2018
** Table of contents and some additional info on the publisher's website, at https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/a-global-history-of-convicts-and-penal-colonies-9781350000674/
** The author's blog post about the book, at https://staffblogs.le.ac.uk/carchipelago/2018/06/20/a-global-history-of-convicts-and-penal-colonies/ – "a series of chapters, which cover the Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, Scandinavian, French, British and Russian Empires, as well as Japan, Europe, the USSR and the post-colonial nations of Latin America, and, together, the essays span the period 1100 to the present day"
* article on "Atlantic History Criminal Transportation in the Atlantic World", at http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199730414/obo-9780199730414-0205.xml
* "Locating penal transportation: punishment, space and place c. 1750-1900" from Leicester Research Archive, at https://lra.le.ac.uk/bitstream/2381/31967/2/LocatingPenalTransportationV.6.pdf
* Journal article on "Transnational Histories of Penal Transportation: Punishment, Labour and Governance in the British Imperial World, 1788–1939", at https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1031461X.2016.1203962 – "The history of penal transportation proposed here thus moves beyond an exploration of its role in the outward metropolitan expansion of Empire, and towards an appreciation of its importance in labour extraction and governance within the larger imperial world."
* "Penal transportation, deportation and exile in the 19th and 20th centuries: Perspectives from the colonies", at http://research.uni-leipzig.de/~eniugh/congress/programme/event/?tx_seminars_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=327
* Transportation by Japan, beginning in the 1600s, at http://convictvoyages.org/expert-essays/japan
* Transportation by the Portuguese Empire, at http://convictvoyages.org/expert-essays/convicts-and-their-labour-in-portugal-and-the-portuguese-empire
* Transportation by the Spanish Empire, at http://convictvoyages.org/expert-essays/the-spanish-empire
— Molly-in-md (talk) 14:00, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideas for further expansion 

message: This appears to be the only mention of Cromwell in the page:
During the Commonwealth, Cromwell overcame the popular prejudice against subjecting Christians to slavery or selling them into foreign parts, and initiated group transportation of military[14] and civilian prisoners.[15]
Nowhere does it say who Cromwell was (or link to a relevant entry).
--Seanr (talk) 16:33, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: More likely to be Oliver than his politically inept and shortlived successor as Lord Protector, son Richard. I have now clarified this, wikiliking it to Oliver's wiki biography, because I am aware Scottish prisoners of war taken at the Battle of Worcester (1651) were sent to the West Indies during his rule.Cloptonson (talk) 06:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Cromwell? 

message: I note in the article on Grigory Potemkin (subsection Builder) that among peoples he encouraged to settle in the Crimea were 'British convicts diverted from Australia'. I have raised a citation need against that statement but I draw this to attention to encourage investigation. Currently it is not mentioned in this article; 
it would be interesting to add something on this if published information can be found. I wonder if there were arrangements with the British government for this to be done. Note this was pre-Suez Canal so the transportation ships would not already be passing through the Mediterranean for Australia.Cloptonson (talk) 06:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Diversion of convicts for Australia to Russian Empire - did it happen?

message: — Assignment last updated by Cuttera24 (talk) 15:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: ARCN 211 Material Histories of Labor

message: I am as student taking a class on forced labor and slavery. I am planning on adding a section to this article talking about transportation to Russian prisons in a modern context if anyone has strong thoughts or feelings about adding modern context to this page let me know.  Cuttera24 (talk) 01:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Russia