Talk:Municipalities of Portugal

message: I have proposed that the article List of Municipalities of Portugal be merged into this one. The information is virtually the same, although List of Municipalities of Portugal is far more complete. Nevertheless, I think that in the case of a merger, Municipalities of Portugal should become the main article. I also suggest creating standards for this kind of articles (as you can see in :Category:Lists_of_municipalities, there are just too many variations).--Húsönd 13:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed the List of Municipalities article is featured and has great quality. A merged article would pretty much resemble the List of Municipalities article, with some additional info that the main Municipalities article would add. I do not intend to cause any damage to the quality of the List of Municipalities article, on the contrary. And I reckon that the new article could become featured one soon enough. I just think that the two articles are similar enough to justify merging.--Húsönd 18:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Re-viewing the articles again, perhaps moving some of the material from the current Municipalities of Portugal to the current List of municipalities of Portugal and then renaming the latter Municipalities of Portugal might work more effectively, i.e. a non-wholesale reverse merge...?  Regards, David 01:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well yes, that is pretty much the result that I had in mind. But, can an article be renamed to one that already exists? Wouldn't that require the other article to vanish first? Regards--Húsönd 15:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I'd copy the contents of both* to an editor outside Wikipedia, work on a merged version there, then replace the current List of municipalities of Portugal with the merged version (and Edit summary: "Merged material from Municipalities of Portugal" or the like) and then request a page move from List of municipalities of Portugal to Municipalities of Portugal. That way I believe the integrity of the pages' histories should be maintained.*Although I'd say the table in Municipalities of Portugal#List of municipalities is redundant, i.e. I'd only work on merging information in Municipalities of Portugal's text with List of municipalities of Portugal before requesting the latter is renamed to the former. I'd look at trying this myself now, but have demands elsewhere for the time being.Best wishes, David Kernow 12:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll follow your advice. Thanks for your help. Regards --Húsönd 13:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The articles unnecessarily share common information (each has its own list). Fusing the info into a single article would not create a much bigger article than the List one. The merger is part of an attempt to standardize all the articles containing lists of municipalities. I thought that the merger could be a good idea, but perhaps this needs further discussion. I have just created a discussion for the standardization of the lists of municipalities here. Please feel free to join the discussion. --Húsönd 19:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just reverted this edit: "12:49, 22 August 2006 PedroPVZ" that redirected this article to the List of Municipalities of Portugal. This survey is not closed, thank you for respecting it while it is open. I will now go to the other discussion you opened. --maf 14:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger discussion

message: *Support as proposer.--Húsönd 13:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed the List of Municipalities article is featured and has great quality. A merged article would pretty much resemble the List of Municipalities article, with some additional info that the main Municipalities article would add. I do not intend to cause any damage to the quality of the List of Municipalities article, on the contrary. And I reckon that the new article could become featured one soon enough. I just think that the two articles are similar enough to justify merging.--Húsönd 18:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Re-viewing the articles again, perhaps moving some of the material from the current Municipalities of Portugal to the current List of municipalities of Portugal and then renaming the latter Municipalities of Portugal might work more effectively, i.e. a non-wholesale reverse merge...?  Regards, David 01:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well yes, that is pretty much the result that I had in mind. But, can an article be renamed to one that already exists? Wouldn't that require the other article to vanish first? Regards--Húsönd 15:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I'd copy the contents of both* to an editor outside Wikipedia, work on a merged version there, then replace the current List of municipalities of Portugal with the merged version (and Edit summary: "Merged material from Municipalities of Portugal" or the like) and then request a page move from List of municipalities of Portugal to Municipalities of Portugal. That way I believe the integrity of the pages' histories should be maintained.*Although I'd say the table in Municipalities of Portugal#List of municipalities is redundant, i.e. I'd only work on merging information in Municipalities of Portugal's text with List of municipalities of Portugal before requesting the latter is renamed to the former. I'd look at trying this myself now, but have demands elsewhere for the time being.Best wishes, David Kernow 12:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll follow your advice. Thanks for your help. Regards --Húsönd 13:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The articles unnecessarily share common information (each has its own list). Fusing the info into a single article would not create a much bigger article than the List one. The merger is part of an attempt to standardize all the articles containing lists of municipalities. I thought that the merger could be a good idea, but perhaps this needs further discussion. I have just created a discussion for the standardization of the lists of municipalities here. Please feel free to join the discussion. --Húsönd 19:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just reverted this edit: "12:49, 22 August 2006 PedroPVZ" that redirected this article to the List of Municipalities of Portugal. This survey is not closed, thank you for respecting it while it is open. I will now go to the other discussion you opened. --maf 14:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey for the merger

message: A project to improve the overall quality of Portugal-related geographical articles, please see: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Portuguese-related articles)#Geography - Municipalities TrueColour (talk) 11:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Improve the overall quality of Portugal-related geographical articles

message: From User_talk:TrueColour
*Why are you moving Portuguese city and town articles to "something municipality"? Even if a municipality contains other towns or parishes out of the cities or towns, those are just "honorary status", they dont have any administrative relevance, every municipality is governed by a town hall or city hall. Using the same order of ideas, every article about every city in the world should have a ... municipality article. it doesnt make sense. only parishes have administrative relevance, but can be in or out of the city borders, because Portuguese law does not state limits to cities, just municipalities, so the city limits changes with development.-Pedro (talk) 11:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see: Talk:Municipalities_of_Portugal#Improve_the_overall_quality_of_Portugal-related_geographical_articles. Main reason is the articles are all not in a very good state and they lag behind other WPs. We need organisation. City/town is NOT the same as municipality. Look on a map with municipality borders to find out that municipalities are much larger often than cities. Sometimes the reverse is true. Municipalities are the longest lasting(?) divisions in Portugal, they deserve clear addressing and articles. See :Category:Municipalities by country to find other countries that exactly have what you propose: A distinction between Municipality and city. But not all countries need that, because in some that is the same entity. TrueColour (talk) 11:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Sorry, the town is at Resende, Portugal it has 2900 inhabitants. The municipality is at Resende Municipality, Portugal, it has 11,978 inhabitants. The name of the town is not "Resende, Portugal" and not "Resende Municipality, Portugal". It is simply "Resende". These former are only page titles in the English Wikipedia. The distinction is there in real live and you can see it by looking at a map, maybe Google Earth with municipality boundaries would do the job. TrueColour (talk) 14:37, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Municipality and city / town are different things 

message: Some research from :Category:Municipalities by country. Below are the eleven sets of articles that use a type specifier for all articles. Nine use uppercase without brackets:
*:Category:Municipalities of Bolivia - Somename Municipality
*:Category:Municipalities of Bulgaria - Somename Municipality
*:Category:Municipalities of Denmark - Somename Municipality
*:Category:Municipalities of Estonia - Somename Parish
*:Category:Municipalities of the Republic of Macedonia - Somename Municipality
*:Category:Municipalities of the Marshall Islands - Somename Atoll
*:Category:Municipalities of South Africa - Somename District/Local Municipality
*:Category:Municipalities of Sweden - Somename Municipality
*:Category:Municipalities of Venezuela - Somename Municipality
;two use different formats:
*:Category:Municipalities of Mexico - Somename (municipality)
*:Category:Municipalities of Latvia - Somename municipality
TrueColour (talk) 19:22, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article naming 

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