Talk:Gary Carter

message: Carter is only in the Hall as an Expo because the HOF knew the Expos were either being contracted or moving and wanted someone in the Hall with an Expos cap.  Carter himself wanted a Mets cap and is more well known as a World Series hero with the Mets.  Carter has the exact same profile as Reggie Jackson, who played more years in Oakland and put up better numbers in Oakland but was a World Series hero in NY (except Reggie won more titles in Oakland than NY).  68.173.209.19 13:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is may be the ONLY reason he is in the Hall - his numbers don't seem to justify his inclusion - but I couldn't find any reliable sources with which to document that. Bonehed (talk) 09:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  His numbers clearly show him to be one of the top 5 offensive catchers of all time (at least at the time of his induction).  There are numerous sources for baseball stats.  You clearly haven't tried.  Additionally, although he was weak at throwing out base runners, he was exceptional at handling pop ups and blocking the plate. Dissento (talk)
No hes in the hall of fame as an Expo becaue he played two times more seasons with the Expos then he did with the Mets.--Yankees10 13:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expo 

message: Who called him "Kid Carter?"  I've never heard that nickname used. Source please, or I may delete. Dissento (talk) 19:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 01:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

text: He was called the "The Kid," but not "Kid Carter." NYCRuss ☎ 01:41, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname 

message: The "people with cancer" category needs to come off this article because he is no longer living.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.134.59 (talk) 21:19, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: The article text and infobox contain contradictory information on whether the number has been retired by the Expos.  There isn't a citation for either assertion (that is has or that it hasn't been retired). (141.211.173.77 (talk) 16:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  retired number 8? 

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thread_title:  Fractions 

message: Since Carter was credited with creating the term "f-bomb" by Merriam-Webster, shouldn't it be in the article? -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 12:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the edit summary, I don't think the editor who reverted your edit had an issue with the mention, just the placement. According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, it should "summarize the most important points." I don't believe this item is one of the article's "most important aspects" and therefore, I have to agree the mention should not be placed in the lead. Zepppep (talk) 13:25, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

text: More accurately, the first know citation tracked down by Merriam-Webster is from Carter. The information is already in the article; since Carter is best known for his feats on the baseball field, I believe this piece of trivia isn't sufficiently notable for the lead section isaacl (talk) 13:42, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I was not aware of this discussion when I removed the mention. One dictionary cites a comment by Carter as the earliest print citation they have for the use of the term. This does not mean Carter created the term or even that he was the first one to use it. Slang terms often bounce around for a bit before they find their way into print. The source in question does not discuss Carter in any meaningful way, it is a bare mention. Crack open the OED and you will find several hundred thousand earliest-known print citations. Adding all of them to Wikipedia would be a complete waste of time. Why would this example merit inclusion where hundreds of thousands of others do not? - SummerPhD (talk) 15:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If the mention is added back, it needs to do so with: 1) "Newsday" italicized, and 2) with a reliable source. The mention does not deserve inclusion without a reliable source. Zepppep (talk) 15:12, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It already had a reliable source when it was removed. -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 05:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The reliable source shows that it was the earliest print citation that dictionary found for the word. That is trivial. Pick up the OED. Pick a word. Look up the word and the person cited (if notable). It's not there? Add it? Repeat 500,000 times. - SummerPhD (talk) 05:20, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The reliable source shows that Merriam Webster credited the term to Gary Carter. Further, this Daily Mail article specifically posits that Gary Carter coined the term. -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 07:01, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As previously stated, the newspaper stories (including the Daily Mail article, which is just the same Associated Press article being quoted in the various other stories) state that Merriam-Webster has traced the first known citation of the term to Carter. The body of the article makes no statement about who coined the term (the headline is an inaccurate summation of the actual text). isaacl (talk) 08:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

text: Agree as I already stated here. Zepppep (talk) 08:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

text: I thought the source was Deadspin but it is actually WSJ Online -- so I now agree the source is reliable. My mistake. If the mention can be put into context (that is, expand on Carter's desire to not use foul language, his belief system, the way he acted vs. his peers) then I could see it warranting inclusion in the body as of right now, the IP currently has two sources which are the subject of the stories found within the sources. I would, however, question using "common" English term and instead just state "term." If you look at other articles, such as GA Rickey Henderson, you'll see "Image and personality" and "Legacy" subsections and FA Ozzie Smith's "Post-playing career" where it's mentioned he was a torchbearer during the 2002 Olympics tour. There's no reason why Carter's off the field persona can't also find inclusion into the article. Providing context is key to a well-written article but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be mentioned for the time being. Zepppep (talk) 07:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

text: To summarize the issues raised: Carter did not coin the phrase, and is only the quoted speaker in the first cited use. Accordingly the text as currently written is inaccurate. Regarding inclusion in this article, it's not particularly notable for a speaker to be the first one quoted using a particular phrase, if they did not invent it or help spread its use. It might be more notable for an article on the phrase itself. isaacl (talk) 01:42, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

text: It's an interesting trivia bit.. but as written it was a bit pov... "one of his most lasting legacies?" So I rewrote the mention to a more neutral tone that I think is suitable for inclusion. Spanneraol (talk) 14:37, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

text: Just my opinion but, that comes perilously close to being trivia.Orsoni (talk) 19:07, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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