Talk:Hasan Prishtina

message: Şişko is the Turkish word for "fat". This fringe theory about the "fat guy's son" clan, is not generally accepted, except by Vickers, via Banac. On the other side, the Berisha clan, both Muslim and Christians needs no further elucidation. Majuru (talk) 18:57, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody denied that Hasan was member of Šiškovćs during last 24 years, since Ivo Banac published it. On the contrary, it was even supported by Miranda Vicker. This assertion is carefully attributed to Ivo Banac and Miranda Vickers so please don't delete it.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a source published in 1987 (before Ivo Banac) which confirms that Hasan was Šišković: East Central European society and the Balkan wars by Béla K. Király,  Dimitrije Djordjevíc, Brooklyn College. Program on Society in Change: "The committee was headed by Hasan-Prishtina from the well-known feudal house of Siskovic in VuSitrn,".--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:25, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The book is a collection of essays and each one is written by a different author; Kiraly and Djordjevic were the editors of the work. You quoted the translation of an essay titled The Albanians and Serbia during the Balkan Wars by Serbian author Djordje Mikic . Of course later Mikic would become a member of the Serbian nationalist SDS (Karadzic etc.) and a member of its Banja Luka council i.e not RS. So you have Banac's Yugoslav version as a source as the English version omits that part about the alleged Siskovic clan.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 22:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Đorđe Mikić exists. His opinion exists also. He is professor of history in Banja Luka and he supported the assertion that Hasan belonged to Šišković family, like Ivo Banac and Miranda Vickers supported it also. That opinion was presented at scientific conference held in 1984 (before SDS was founded) and included in conference material by Béla K. Király and Dimitrije Djordjevíc and distributed by Columbia University Press. Many authors were members of political parties. That does not necessary affect their reliability. If you think he is not reliable source you are free to go to RSN.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I already presented opinion of another historian, Jovan Hadži Vasiljević, who also direcly supported Hasan Šišković assertion. His text corresponds with other sources which claim that family of Hasan Prishtina came from Poljanice. He also had blood-relatives there - Veljić brothers. Муслимани наше крви у Јужној Србији" written by Јован Хаџи Васиљевић says "У селу Пољанцу постоје браћа Вељићи, крвни сродник им је Хасан бег Вучитрнац, Шишковић." I will translate it for you: Veljić brothers from Poljance are related to Hasan-bey of Vučitrn, Šišković.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:50, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

text: This is a second attempt to deny existence of the Šišković family. First Aigest claimed that they are "something of a fancy tale" and now Majuru claims that they are invented by Hadzivasilievic. There are works of four historians which directly support the assertion about Hasan being member of Šišković. Additionally I presented about a dozen other sources which prove that Šiškovićs did exist, even commemorated in literature works. Please don't deny it anymore.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
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