Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (companies)

message: The Palm Breweries in Belgium is owned by Palm nv (legal name) but due to an acquisation since 2016 the name became Swinkels Family Brewers Belgium (trade name). Should it be renamed after the legal name or trade name? Tomaatje12 (talk) 10:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Trading names are usually also the common names. If the company is called (by people) the latter name, that should be the article name. The name on paper is rarely relevant enough for the title. IceWelder [✉] 14:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What if the legal name is different from trade name? 

message: Most Historically Black Fraternities and Sororities (using Alpha Phi Alpha as an example) took as a point of pride that they as Black groups that they were able to Incorporate at the time, so they (and their members)will use "Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc." where "Alpha Tau Omega" (Historically White) would simply say Alpha Tau Omega. The general consensus in WP:FRAT wikiproject is to have it as Alpha Phi Alpha except in the header of the individual articles and in cases where the National Fraternity is specifically referenced. (John Smith became national president of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc.). Comments? Naraht (talk) 16:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: See all the above disputaton about whether what this page says is in conflict with other policies and guidelines (which seems to be the case, at least with regard to certain points). The short answer is: see WP:COMMONNAME policy. If most sources refer to it as Alpha Phi Alpha, then it should be at that title. If most of them refer to it as Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc., then it should be at that title (though the odds of that seem very low to me). See ngram , though one has to subtract the long-name results from the short-name ones, since any thing that matches "Alpha Phi Alpha Inc." will also match "Alpha Phi Alpha" (and it's possible there is something else named "Alpha Phi Alpha" that could contribute to hits for the short name). If the long name is not the most common name, then using the long name as the title would also fail WP:CONCISE policy.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "conflict". NCCORP clearly says to default to the most common name (a version of this wording existed even before SMcCandlish's BOLD overhaul), and there is no requirement to use "Inc." anywhere on the page. Only if Alpha Phi Alpha is an ambiguous term in need of disambiguation would Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. (with the comma) be preferred over other forms of disambiguation, per WP:NATURAL. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This is basically just reiterating what I already said ("If most sources refer to it as Alpha Phi Alpha, then it should be at that title", per COMMONNAME, unless it's ambiguous), just clouded with extraneous finger-pointing at me. The "with the comma" claim, however, is precisely the matter subject to dispute about policy/guideline conflict in a thread above, exactly as I said. One view, grounded in current wording of the rarely-cited WP:NCCORP (material with very little and very old community input), is that we should defer to the organization's own internal preferences on such a question, and other editors (backed by WP:AT policy and by other guidelines with more, and more recent, community involvement) say we should be following what the independent sources do. This latter point probably has no implications for Naraht's exact question about APA in particular (per the ngram I provided, and probably also because it's unlikely in this particular case that the organization prefers ", Inc." and sources prefer "Inc." with no comma), but "There is no 'conflict obviously is not the case.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does this convention affect Fraternities/Sororities? 

message: Several organisations are more commonly known under their acronym. UN is infinitely more common than United Nations. EU is more common than European Union. CDU is more common than Christian Democratic Union of Germany. The present wording of the guideline – religiously based on incidence – essentially requires us to move the relevant articles to theit acronym forms. Yet it is the full form that appears more acceptable to the editors.
I hope you agree that the guideline needs to evolve so as to include such cases.
This will inform, e.g., move discussions  such as this one. — kashmīrī TALK 01:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, this page is about companies only, not organizations. Secondly, the page you're looking for is MOS:ACROTITLE, which this page doesn't overlap with. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acronym vs full name