Talk:Caroline Wozniacki

message: someone should clean up this page. i found much broken citations and other stuff. it would be great if someone helped here out.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 15:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up this page 

message: I tagged this section earlier this month, with the intention of removing it in about 6 months if it remains unreferenced.  However, I would not object to removing it now.  The section is full of unsourced opinion.  Tennis expert (talk) 11:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it should be tagged at the very least, but it should be removed entirely as soon as possible as it is unreferenced and therefore could be pure WP:OR.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Playing style section

message: Some examples of what needs to be summarised would include her 2008 season.  Do we think that 23 paragraphs are required to detail her 2008 "achievements" (or lack of) while, for instance, Boris Becker has 20 paragraphs describing his entire career?  That's really pushing it per "excessive intricate detail" as far as I'm concerned, hence the fansite tag.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you add some detail to the Boris Becker article?  For others reading this thread, the Wozniacki issue was discussed thoroughly on the HJensen discussion page.  Tennis expert (talk) 22:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm too afraid that I won't be adding material that the consensus agrees with.  I'll leave it to the experts.  The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

text: But, regardless of waiting for experts in tennis to make the Becker article more comprehensive, I shall be seeking to make this article more succinct, more in line with WP:SUMMARY, less about WP:NOT#NEWS, less about WP:RECENTISM.  The tennis wikiproject should do more here.  The Rambling Man (talk) 22:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:SUMMARY 

message: Just curious.... --Trovatore (talk) 02:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: His name is Steve Wozniak --Hejsa (talk) 15:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is another tennis player named Wozniak (I haven't checked spelling) -  as far as I recall Amreican. I gather Wozniak/Wozniack/Wozniacki is a fairly common Polish name; Caroline's father is from Poland. So a more direct connection is not impossible but unlikely.--Noe (talk) 08:54, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The top of Caroline Wozniacki links to Woźniak which says: "Woźniak (feminine: Woźniak/Woźniakowa, plural Woźniakowie) is the 10th most common surname in Poland (88,040 people)." The listed people include tennis player Aleksandra Wozniak, and Steve Wozniak. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:03, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Woźniak (NOT "Woźniack") and Woźniacki are two different names with just the same origin. It's like asking whether Ted Stevens and DeShawn Stevenson have something in common. Duh.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.53.252.100 (talk) 13:23, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any known relation to Steve Wozniack? 

message: Caroline is considered a very defensive player and wins many points by forcing the error to her opponent and running down so many balls. Many people considered her to be a "pusher" because of her passive style of play. She has improved her game and is being more agressive and controlling points. She has worked very well on her forehand and serve and her backhand is superb. She can play relatively good all on types of surfaces. The best part of her game is her mental toughness which brought her to the finals of the U.S Open.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.101.137 (talk) 23:18, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: thx for this formulation -- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:32, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playing style  

message: Being number 1 in the world without reaching a GS final in the year is neither relevant nor some sort of record.
Yes it is.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.48.106 (talk) 16:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey can you Caro haters stop it already? 

message: Could someone who understands tennis better please go through the year sections, especially "2009" and "2010", and cut 50-75% of the information there?  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and per WP:NOT, we should not have a match by report of her results, and we should rarely have her actual match scores.  We need to provide an overview of her performance, not the kind of details that belong in a newspaper or sports magazine. Compare, for example, the articles of Andre Agassi and Martina Navratilova for the kind of overview I'm talking about.  Now, I'm not really knowledgeable about which points are most important, so I'd prefer that someone else more closely associated with the sport take on the task.  I can do it, if necessary, though.  Qwyrxian (talk) 23:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rafael Nadal in 2010 had no consensus to delete complete lists of match scores, but I agree there is too much here for a biography. Some people like to add each new match but trimming old years will probably not be controversial. 2008 was trimmed in . I expect to look at 2009 and 2010 this week. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:13, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't done it yet but plan to go over it within a couple of days if nobody else does. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:59, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I appreciate that.  I have made heavy edits on articles whose subject I know little about to remove excessive detail, puffery, or other problems, but I figured that this page seems to have a number of active editors, so others would do a better job than I would.  Qwyrxian (talk) 04:27, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I don't even understand why we need to list every tournament result anyway. For people in team sports, we don't have a paragraph listing their performance in every single game (I think). Should we be writing an encyclopedia--i.e., a summary of the person's career, not coverage of every single tournament they played in. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:37, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But we have a huge number of articles listing every team game in a season, often for teams without international notability. See for example :Category:College men's basketball team seasons in the United States. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Right--wouldn't that mean we need some sort of article like Caroline Wozniaki 2011-2012 seasn? Qwyrxian (talk) 02:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Trouble is, per previous tennis discussions in rm's and rfd's, seasonal articles are worthy only if you have won at least one Major in your career. She hasn't done that yet. You can have a Career Stats page, but not individual seasonal pages. In August I was goaded into chopping the  Andy Murray article down from 130k to below the wiki max of 100k. I got it to 85k, but now with a US Open win he can have seasonal articles. We should at least be thankful that Wozniacki is only at 60k. :-) Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming, please? 

message: Some of fields in Singles performance timeline look black in Opera (names of grand slams, Career SR and Career W-L). --Helios13 (talk) 09:40, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a bad color code with different treatment in different browsers. It has has been fixed. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:20, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black fields in Opera 

message: Any particular reason for her career statistics to be linked at the top of the page? I think the link in the relevant section is sufficient. Sakkura (talk) 11:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No need at all, indeed, it contravenes MOS:LAYOUT.  I've removed it again. Courcelles 12:13, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career statistics 

message: Two administrators, User:Ponyo and User:Courcelles, have recently removed Wozniacki's Twitter feed from the external links section, claiming that it runs afoul of the following section of WP:EL: 
"More than one official link should be provided only when the additional links provide the reader with unique content and are not prominently linked from other official websites. For example, if the main page of the official website for an author contains a link to the author's blog and Twitter feed, then it is not appropriate to provide links to all three. Instead, provide only the main page of the official website in this situation."
However, Wozniacki's official website does not appear to me to provide a link to her Twitter feed. The site shows her most recent tweet, but doesn't actually provide a link to Twitter. 
Accordingly, I am re-adding the link to her Twitter feed. If anyone would like to point me to the place where Wozniacki's Twitter feed is linked through her main page so the above section of EL would be applicable, I cordially request that you do so; I have no problem with being wrong here. Thanks. Townlake (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The link isn't on her main page. Her ABOUT page  (prominently linked from all other pages) is supposed to have a prominent twitter link on the icon  between the Facebook and YouTube link, but the source code is missing an ending > in <a href="http://www.twitter.com/CaroWozniacki". The guideline only says "For example, if the main page...". If her site was working as intended then I think the twitter link would be prominent enough to omit it from Wikipedia. It's not perfect for Wikipedia to provide extra links to help a broken site but in the current situation I support inclusion of the twitter link in our article. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:21, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair points, but I believe the guideline specifies "main page" for a reason. If you'd have to dig anywhere past the main page to find a link, I don't think it's fair to consider it prominently-placed. Reasonable people may disagree. Townlake (talk) 03:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Wozniacki's Twitter feed 

message: One editor has, several times, removed this section with the comment that it is not a "controversy".  I would point out that on many forum discussions on the internet, that it very much IS a controversy, with many people claiming this was a racist act.  I don't subscribe to that view, and feel it was simply a young lady being silly and perhaps unwise in her public actions during these times of hypersensitivity in race relations.  But some people DO think it was racist, and whether they are correct or not is beside the point... that there IS a controversy is the point, and it has nothing to do with whether they are friends or not.  
The section is rather terse and actually does not mention any "controversy" but only the act itself.  Perhaps either the section title needs to be changed or a mention of the controversy needs to be added.  But it is in my view neither irrelevant or "tripe".Marteau (talk) 19:58, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that it belonged, too.  I put it back and added the "talk about it" summary after I saw the revert while on recent change patrol.  This is not a page I normally would edit on, so I will leave it to the editors on this page.  Remember, that if you guys can't hash it out on your own, there is always WP:3O and WP:DRN for assistance.  Happy and Peaceful editing, and Merry Christmas! Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:09, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Was Andy Rodick's impersonation of Williams a controversy?  No, in fact many people think it was hillarious and he was a white man impersonating a black woman!  Was Novak Djokovic’s impersonation of Williams a controversy?  No, and he is also a white man impersonating a black woman!  Fact is, some people get their underwear in a twist at a drop of a hat.  Williams is friends with Rodick, Djokovic and Wozniacki, and Williams has stated that she doesn't think anything of it.  That some people on the internet have nothing better to do than blog about it and try and make a mountain out of a molehill is not relevant here.  This is not a controversy in the least.  Arzel (talk) 20:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is important what Williams thought of it?  Others thought it was "tacky" for want of a phrase, and it was covered in the media.  It should be in the article, and so should Williams's reaction to it.  As far as that goes, so should the other incidents you mentioned be in the articles about those players.  IMHO, it is racist to act that way, and whether the subject of the "aping" objected to it or not, some people did object to it, so it was controversial.  Ms. Williams's opinion is not the only one that matters. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:32, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

text:  Saying this is not a controversy is ludicrous and demonstrably untrue.  A Google search of quoted phrase "Wozniacki racist" returns over 80,000 unique results.  Once again, whether it actually WAS racist or not, or whether or not they are friends or not is completely beside the point.  The fact that MANY people say it was is the controversy.  Marteau (talk) 20:37, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Right I'm ending this. First of all to Gtwfan52 and Marteau no one gives a flying poo of what people on the internet say. Unless they are a respeted commentator. Secondly no ones gives a flying poo of whether you think that it's racist or not so stop pushing it POV's are not welcome. Now I haven't seen it in the print press so I don't hink that it is a big issue and think that some editor are blowing it out of what it was. Does it need a subheading? No! As it was not a major event/issue it lasted 2 lines! So I'm removing the subheading then I'll look at the content of the sources and if its not a kosher source then sorry it has no place being on here.GAtechnical (talk) 22:45, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not controversal. A) Wozniacki has done this before as per CBS source. 2) As per CBS source other players have done this and Serena has not said pubically whether it's offensive or not, but I'm sure someone would have a word with the others if she wasn't rather than saying it in the press. C) the only critic who is mention is some feminizing blogger, who lets be fair is not a reliable source as it's a feminizing blog which trust me will be very biased in it's view point. D) some person on tumblr is mentioned as finding it crass, but no names stated. It's not like the Daily Mail's article about the closing of the Olympics where certain acts were complained about as Celebs and well respected opinons were mentioned, all be it of twitter, but in a newspaper article. E) only really one negative point used and generalisation does not mean that it's controversal. F) Both articles use a leading question. G) the controversal stuff seems to be America only. H) the today website seems to be a blog  and I don't think that the person writing it is a respected journo so should not be used. In conclusion is should be rewritten to say USA only but more relevantly it shouldn't be on here as we have no comment from Caroline and no comment from Serena. Controversal? Where's the issue?GAtechnical (talk) 23:05, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

text:  "Right I'm ending this."  Are you really now?  Do we really have to review the rationale and the process for achieving consensus on Wikipedia, and that you cannot just "end this" unilaterally, and to imply that you intend to insults us all?  Marteau (talk) 23:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, adding this is pretty darned trivial and I would think it should be removed also. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:17, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a little bit more to show just how stupid this is, but I would be fine removing it completely once again.  Arzel (talk) 14:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Give it a break.  No one brought it to talk right away, you either.  I did discuss it here after my second removal of this crap.  Furthmore, this kind of shit is what give WP a bad name.  Some jackass on the internet tries to turn some non-controvery into a controversy and willing editors here comply and turn a molehill into a mountain.  If you had done any research in the beginning you would have seen that this was never a controversy, except in the small minds of a couple of race baiters on the internet.  Arzel (talk) 14:52, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

text: The media covered it so it's in the article??? They also cover her bra cup size... should we make sure that's in here also? Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:56, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you want to discuss whether it is appropriate for this issue to be in this article, then let's discuss it like rational adults.  Drawing ridiculous comparisons serves no good other than perhaps giving you the relief that emotional venting often provides.  It should go without saying, but since it seems to be required, I'll make it clear.  Her bra size was not covered in a very large number of major newspapers and was not the subject of a heated public debate.  Marteau (talk) 20:43, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... I'm not the one who said "It happened, the media covered it, it is in the article." Ridiculous statements get ridiculous comparisons. And "heated debate".... let's get real and rational here yourself. The presidential candidates had heated debates... in tennis McEnroe had heated controversies, Serena threatening a lineswoman at the US open was a heated controversy. This is a blip on the radar in comparison where the object in question says they're friends and it was nothing. As an "adult" this is more like the blog controversy of Serena sensationalizing gangs by doing a "crip walk" after the Olympics. That was carried by heaps of newspapers and blogs too. But it's such an minor event in the scheme of controversies and the history of tennis as to be nothing to an encyclopedia. It's fan page stuff. Also the usual policy would be to add the event to wikipedia, if it gets reverted you do "NOT" add it back but instead have a conversation about it here to try to reach some sort of consensus/compromise. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:32, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
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message: Most of her career barely contains any citations whatsoever. I have added a BLP citations needed template for now. Will try to add as many sources as I can to the article. Any help will be much appreciated! — Anakimitalk   18:58, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: Is it fair to call Wozniacki vs S. Williams a rivalry? Serena is 10-1 up, so it is not competitive, and the entry itself clearly states that the two are best friends? What aspect of this constitutes rivalry?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:388:394:110:0:0:1:18 (talk) 01:09, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I have no idea. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:10, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: So, anyone against deleting it? --LH7605 (talk) 14:32, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serena Williams rivalry 

message: so, basically, she is living in four different places, two of them in different time zones and especially Monte Carlo with strict tax-laws on whether a non citizen can reside there? has anyone reliable information on this? --LH7605 (talk) 14:35, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  place of residence 

message: Is it really appropriate for a Wikipedia article about a sports champion to include fourteen photographs?
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thread_title:  Fourteen photographs?