Talk:Biblical narratives in the Quran

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message: This article mentions that the Quran has anachronisms. Also the burden of proof is that on the book that came later. Since there is no proof of the statements in the Quran being anachronisms. This article is biased against the Quran by claiming something without proof. Muslims believe the Quran says it is from God and also more importantly the Quran says it is directly from God. So any article claiming something else is totally biased because the proof that it is not from God also lands directly on the writers of the article. 
The article writers believe they can place their biased beliefs of no God being existent over the beliefs of others who believe in a single God which is the creator and the master of the day of judgement.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.201.235.22 (talk) 06:24, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is biassed or partial

message: Most of the times, events and incidents in the Quran and the Bible resemble although the details. It may be strongly considered that because Bible is ancient than Quran, hence it contains an account of the events of the relevant times in more detail while the Quran offers a hint towards the relevant event (as details have already been revealed in the Bible). 
Another aspect may be the purpose of the revelation of Quran and the Bible where by the as per the Islamic prespective, the Quran is supposed to be a guidance till the end of the world as no new prophet will be send be God, while the Bible was for the time in between the revelation of the Bible and the Quran. Quranic content contains details of social behaviour, scientific knowledge, Islamic laws and rules and issues that may be confronted by a human being during the course of his life (just like a manual for the human beings) while also summarizing the accounts of the previous prophets like Jesus, Moses, Issac, Ishmail, Abraham, Lot, Solomon, Noah, Adam and many others which are not mentioned here. 
While Quranic content broadly defines the general requirements, is mostly supported by the Hadith giving much more details of the account of the events to make them more understandable for the Muslims and humanity as a whole. The accounts between the Quran and Bible may vary due to the non-availability of the orignial scripture while the Quran is still available in its true scripture. 
A Muslims belief is not complete until and unless he does not acknowledges the prophets before Muhammad (and that includes Jesus, Moses, Issac and Abraham) to be the true messengers of God (prophets) and accepts that the revelations (torah, Injeel, Zabur, and other scriptures) sent to the prophets were true (though time has altered the true context of the actually revealed scriptures).
Because Muslims (followers of Muhammad and practioners of Islam) believe in the same true one God as preached by Jesus, Moses and Abrahim (and other prophets) so there cannot be any contradictions in the revelations of God from time to time (as God cannot contradict Him self). This is also the reason that Muslims are instructed by the prophet Muhammad to honour and respect the prophets and teachings of the prophets before Him as they all represent the same God and not different Gods. 
Contradictions between Quran and Bible or other scriptures may be attributed to the human factor over the centuries whereby addition/ deletion of content to the scriptures before Quran may have been exercised with or without the intention of Vandilism.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.74.191 (talk) 12:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Striking Resemblence 

message: They are the one and the same being from an Islamic viewpoint, so the Bible and the Quran are in agreement on this point. There is therefore no need for this to be mentioned, as Shaitaan is simply the Arabic name for Satan. Furthermore, the serpent being Satan is mentioned twice.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.227.159.148 (talk) 18:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So what's your point? Please do contribute positively to the article (rather than just on the talk page) wherever you deem fit. 'Abd el 'Azeez (talk) 12:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaitaan/Satan 

message: I can't speak for the Q'ran but the canonical Bible books do not describe Jesus as speaking from the cradle. It might be in some later Christian apocrypha, but it's not in Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. Suggest you remove this from the list of common items between the two traditions. Rob Burbidge (talk) 19:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Two particular references to this can be found in Surat Maryam (19:29-33) Jesus speaks to people right after being born and identifies himself as a prophet of God.  Whatever the original genesis of this post, Jesus speaking from the cradle is most definitely a Quranic reference. Michael Sheflin (talk) 02:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus/Isa Speaking from the Cradle 

message: This article refers to "books" of the Qur'an as Suras, but does not refer to the "verses" as Ayas. Wikipedia should probably be consistent with this nomenclature on all pages dealing with the Qur'an. Unless there's a good reason the erroneous "verse" is being used.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.126.158.140 (talk) 05:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verse/Aya 

message: Proposal for removing prefixes "Islamic views on xyz"
		I have started a request move to remove the prefixes Attached with the Prophets in Islam to there Names as in Islam. Like Islamic views on Abraham → Ibrahim as it becomes difficult to search the topic. Please participate in the discussion at Talk:Page Thanks. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 19:36, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment 

message: This article is fully from a MUSLIM author or an ISLAM-SYMPHATIZING author.Not a NEUTRAL article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.120.52.35 (talk) 16:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: By your logic, then any Christian editor should also not work on this article? Would you agree with that? Also what do you mean by 'Islam-Sympathising'? Rohonk1 (talk) 12:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Neutral 

message: Hi. I am thinking if we can format this article such that there are two columns side by side and in one of them we can give the biblical narrative and in the other the quranic. and following each topic should be a subheading of differences between the two narratives(which although is present in some topics but not in all).
Also, IMO, more importance should be given to the differences in narratives. No? I mean they should be more detailed. What do u say? Sohebbasharat (talk) 11:32, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we improve the format? 

message: We might possibly need to find better references to mention it, but various people have noted the possible influence of Christian-era apocrypha or literature.  An example in relation to the creation myth and spiritual beings prostrating before Adam (which seems to be a 400CE+ development):  76.10.128.192 (talk) 14:34, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adam and Eve and 400CE+ tradition influence 

message: I removed Arabic names (duplicated transliteration and Arabic script) from section headers, because these figures all have accepted English names that are similar to the Hebrew, Arabic, Greek, Latin, and other languages. Additional languages in the headers clutters them up. User:SharabSalam undid this, .--Geshem Bracha (talk) 13:50, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , the Quranic name is quite different from the biblical name. There is no policy that says we shouldn't use the Quranic name when there is a biblical equivalent. In fact, we should use the Quranic names as to tell the differences between the biblical names and the Quranic names.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 13:54, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The English name varies quite a bit from the Hebrew and Greek. We still use the English one throughout articles. It's the same figures, and the whole point of section headers is to be concise. You can put the multi-linguistics in the section text if it is important. This is an overview article, I remind you.--Geshem Bracha (talk) 14:03, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I disagree, we can use these names in the section header.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 14:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: We can do anything, but headers are supposed to be concise.--Geshem Bracha (talk) 13:29, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  
Arabic names in section headings
 

message: "Unlike the Bible, one Quranic verse implies that Noah's people rejected not only Noah but multiple prophets who warned them."
It looks like the usual interpretation of 25.37 is that the people of Noah denied him, and by extension all of the Messengers/Prophets - not that there were many messengers who all came and warned about the flood. https://quranx.com/tafsirs/25.37 פֿינצטערניש (Fintsternish), she/her (talk) 10:52, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noah 

message: Why does this article fail to state that Mary allegedly was not only called "sister of Aaron" in Surah 19:29 but also "daughter of Amram" according to Surah 66:12??
If the islamic honor title theory you backed up with an hadith would be accurate two different honor title would have been given and not just one which makes this islamic theory much less likely to be true.
Also, in the entire Quran not a single prophet or person has been linked to a previous pious figure by calling him or her "sister of/brother of/ daughter of/son of".
62.226.85.77 (talk) 02:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro-islamic framing in the Mary-Miriam section 

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thread_title:  List of useful refs 

message: simply because the book of the Christians existed hundreds of years before Islam came along. Any similarity between both religions is a problem for Muslims, NOT Christians. 2003:DA:C74C:F300:50AF:2286:ECB9:C942 (talk) 01:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The authors of the Quran have stolen/copied content from the Bible... 

message: i enjoy wikipedia and have for a long time but am troubled to see a dramatic rise in the tilt of articles where the information being presented is done so to make it appear as if that topic being written about is being presented in a strasihhtforward truthful way and further the onclusion to be drawn   hasd been vetted by and is the product of a wide consensus of agreement which it isnt, and that compromises the integrity of wikipedia as a whole. Philos. if you would would like to see what i am referring to google the following type of question or any variation of it in which islam is being compared to a competing philosophy... for instance when the question is asked is the quran is scientifically accurate, and we know through sceintific discovery the nature of many things d that were unknown when the quran was written there is a  large number of proven difference between what the quran says and what science proves and yet the  short answer offered from google...almost without fail..and 90 percent of the time it is a quote from wikipedia will say something like this... " in the view of some scholars or experts, the muslim opinion / belief / teaching is the correct one.  while that may be technically true  - there are no qualifications to the number of scholars or what their credentials are or if the view espoused is representative of  majority opinion or a belief held by a scant few it gives the false impression that it is a widely held view and because of that it an abuse of the truth as it gives a false prominence to islam,- it is an attempt to elevate above other opinions and beliefs and it doesn't deserve to be held up that way because by doing so it unfairly excludes everyone else who deserved or qualifies to be mentioned if we set the bar so low.i could say that some experts and scholars believe the moon is made of green cheese and produce a few people who believe that to be true, but does it rise to the level of mentioning ? of course not. again this not an isolated phenomenon but an ongoing and increasing trend i have observed please watch this carefully as muslims apologists are attempting to legitimatize their beliefs and institutionalize their way of seeing things  at the expense of competing philosophies and those that do no support its claims nor wish it to speak on our behalf - signed by the 75% of the rest of us people who arent muslim 2601:447:C200:5A80:B084:B978:1DAC:AE4B (talk) 22:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  the deliberate manipultion the reader by contributors  

message: The entire article is derived from a single source with the same name as the article. Either heavily trim down the content and make clear that what is provided is a summary of that article, or just delete this entry completely. Hwalterman (talk) 01:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please please delete or rename this article. 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 20:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Biblical and Quranic narratives →  – The current title is unclear. It is impossible to tell what the article is really about. An alternative to my suggestion might be "Biblical figures in the Quran". The subject of the article is clearly Biblical persons and stories found in some form also in the Quran. Srnec (talk) 01:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Bible, WikiProject Religion/Interfaith work group, WikiProject Religion, WikiProject Mythology, and WikiProject Islam have been notified of this discussion. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 17:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 7 April 2024