Talk:Scott Speicher

message: I don't know how long this page has been here. Seems like quite awhile. Very long before his name recently popped up in the media. Anyway, about his name. It's Michael "Scott" Speicher. So shouldn't this page be Michael Spiecher (navy pilot) or something to that effect? -- (Mrja84 (talk) 03:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Can we move this page to the right one?

message: In the article "Bedouins were hunting in the desert when they found the parts of Spikes F/A-18 Superhornet. They mailed pictures to the US of the plane parts. They took a picture of the serial code of the plane and they found it as Speichers Jet."
According to wiki, the SUPER hornet did not fly till 1995, long after the event occured.   I don't know what Spikes refers to...  Is Spikes a person, as in Spikes' plane?   Please fix it. tnx.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.158.31 (talk) 08:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion 

message: Don't you all think there should be more personal bio for him so people know who he was/is as a person. Just a thought.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.242.174 (talk) 21:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Personal Bio 

message: The AP reported that there is going to be a review board this Monday (1/5/09) on whether to officialy close the case and consider him KIA.  THe family's attorney has stated they are not giving hope and don't feel the Navy has done enough.  Read here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090103/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gulf_war_pilot_missing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.242.174 (talk) 21:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Information on the Case 

message: I recently attended a US Army briefing called "High Risk of Isolation"; it's intended for pilots and aircrews who fly over hostile territory. Incidentally, I took the class at Scott's namesake -- Camp Speicher in Iraq. The instructor talked about Scott quite a bit. He mentioned that Scott's wife was granted a divorce in his absence, and she later married Scott's caseworker. I thought this was an interesting fact, but I could find no references. Are there references to be found? Polihale (talk) 03:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously? How is it any of your concern? Do you know these people and their circumstances? I don't think wikipedia is the place for you to shoot off your mouth about people you don't know. His wife got on with her life. Nojamus (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

text: She might have decided that it was important for their kids to have a (step-)father in their lives. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 00:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Divorce 

message: This is speculation, nobody knows.  Probably 1/17 but could be 1/16 or 1/18 so let's say approx. 1/17  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acme Plumbing (talk • contribs) 15:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  date of death 

message: I don't mean to be all conspiracy theory and all, but the DOD's account makes it sound as if they JUST found out where the crash site was located... when it was actually discovered by hunters in the early 1990s. The local Bedouins and other local civilians were interviewed in 1995 or so, so why didn't they mention Speicher's remains then? (Because the Iraqi government wouldn't let them perhaps? Hmmm...)
Also, there is too much evidence to support his having survived the crash, i.e. "Speicher's E & E (Escape and Evade) sign left on the desert floor" and his flight suit being found away from the crash site. I dunno, it just all sounds so fishy to me...
The joint U.S. military's special operations community really felt let down by [now retired] General Shalikashvili's decision to not let them investigate the crash site, and instead let the Iraqi government "investigate" the site first. Speicher definitely seems to have been sold out for political reasons. Evets70 (talk) 16:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: his remains being found 

message: EDIT:
I don't know where people get their information from, but the guy was no Capt. in the Navy. He was shot down in 1991 but in 1990, he had his photo taken in uniform as an Lt. (O-3). How many people do you know of in our military today at the age of only 33 holding the rank of an O-6? Besides, if he did hold such rank, he would have been a CAW commander at least, not a squadon CO. A squadon CO only holds the rank of an O-5 (Commander)in the Navy. This only proves that Wikipedia is not as reliable as many believe it to be. (moved by Shinerunner (talk) 18:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That was after I tried to explain the information on his talk page. I've added a warning message this time. If he adds comments to the article again, I'll ask an administrator to review the situation. Shinerunner (talk) 22:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments posted to article page by [[User:Streetrace442]] 

message: There are several mentions of his post-crash (or, given recent evidence) posthumous promotions being "in accordance with Navy policy". I, however, can't find any specific info regarding this policy, either because the policy is obscure or my search terms are too vague or common. Is there an article or section of an article on this policy, including specific requirements for each rank, whether they be length of missing status, possibility of capture, etc? It might confuse others, as it confused me, that the change is status from KIA to MIA which occurred in January 2001 would merit a promotion, let alone the promotion to Captain a year later, which, again, is "in accordance with Navy policy". 98.239.166.251 (talk) 23:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt that US navy policy allows a posthumous promotion. Someone who is dead cannot be promoted, as they are no longer a commissioned officer.122.59.140.215 (talk) 08:11, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Navy policy

message: If no one minds I added the latest bit of info about his remains arriving today (Aug 13) I though it best to put it under the "Memorial and Dedication" section but if someone wants to add to or place it somehwere else the info is there. --76.31.242.174 (talk) 22:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arrival of Remains 

message: I don't have a lot of experience in Wikipedia, so hope I did this right. If not, please help in correcting my entry instead of simply deleting as others on other pages have done.
I just added an entry in "Memorials and Dedications" that a F/A-18 on display at NAS Pensacola was dedicated to Speicher's family.  I live in Pensacola and took a photo of the plane last week.  I have a copy of the NAS Pensacola base newspaper, the "Gosport", with an article on the discovery of his remains and a photo of the plane with Speicher's children.  I mention that as the source for my information.  There is also an article in the Pensacola News Journal that mentions the dedication and another article which is now under paid archive retrieval.  So I linked to the first two.
I would like to include the photo I took of the plane showing Speicher's name on this page, if there are no objections.  I uploaded it to WikiMedia Commons.
Thank you!  
Mikejapp (talk) 03:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Item for "Memorials and Dedications" 

message: This article is contradictory — or at least confusing — regarding Scott Speicher's date of death.  The body of the article states that he died in the plane crash on January 16, 1991.  In the Loss incident section, it states: LCDR Scott Speicher was flying an F/A-18 Hornet fighter when he was shot down 100 miles west of Baghdad, on the night of January 16, 1991, the first night of Operation Desert Storm.  Also, in the Discovery and positive identification subsection, it states: His jawbone ... was found in the desert, where according to local civilians, he was buried by Bedouins after his plane was shot down.  This confirmed that Speicher was never captured and that he died during the crash.  Yet, in the introductory sentence and in the infobox, his date of death is listed as the following day, January 17, 1991.  Can anyone explain this discrepancy ... or edit the article with the correct date?  Thank you.   (Joseph Spadaro (talk) 00:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: @Joseph: There are a couple of time zones (eight!) between Baghdad (AST: UTC+3h) and Washington, D.C. (EST: UTC-5h). Hence: Practically the entire night (after midnight, of course) in Arabia means "Yesterday" in Washington D.C. Often the military refers all things happen to Zulu time (for civilians: it's UTC)- especially in avation. But even based on Zulu time the difference between UTC and AST keeps events for three more hours happening on a "Yesterday" during "Arabian nights". --de:TK-lion (talk) 14:48, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of death 

message: Why is it that despite a whole page being devoted to Speicher, there is basically nothing about the circumstances of his death. What was the mission, how many aircraft were involved, what occurred. There is one clue, the reference to another pilot saying "It was that MiG that shot Spike down". Clearly there were at least two aircraft on the mission, they saw a MiG. One pilot at least thought that the MiG had fired a missile. Why no reference to any of this in the article? Incidentally the only reason why the Pentagon claimed it was a surface missile was that the propaganda of the time represented the Iraqi air force as being no threat.122.59.140.215 (talk) 08:09, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Details of death 

message: The Pilot name was Lt. Col. Zuhair Dawood not just Lt. .... and he was commander of the 96 Iraqi AF squadron based at Alqadisya AB ( Ain Alasad - Albaghdadi ) ... Not 84 .... Later in late 90s he became base commander00:29, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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