Talk:Ukrainian War of Independence

message: This is a good topic.  Let's get it to the DYK nomination.--Riurik(discuss) 22:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this a genuinely new article or is it based on the existing ones? --Irpen 02:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a new topic that is not specifically covered by any other article, however several parts of it are covered by separate articles which are listed. This article also contains information that is not covered by any existing articles at all. 155.246.121.113 05:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

text: As I said, the article is written almost entirely anew. There is certain information that is taken directly out of other Wiki articles, and these articles are referenced. There is also information that appears nowhere else on wikipedia. 155.246.121.113 06:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DYK suggestions 

message: This is a continuation of the discussion started on the wp:dyk page under November 1, asked by Carabinieri regarding the usage of Ukrainian War of Independence.
The term is used by: 
* Encyclopedia Britannica although not directly in this way World War I and the struggle for independence.
* Also by historian Orest Subtelny in Ukraine: a History on page 441 where Subtelny writes:  "...during the war for independence" refering to the period specifically covered by this article between 1917-1921.  
* Also by the Encyclopedia of Ukraine "the Ukrainian struggle for independence (1917–1920)"
Regards, --Riurik(discuss) 03:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I was just unable to find the term on the first glance.--Carabinieri 19:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text: This title suggests a formality and establishment of title that really looks like it's the product of the author creator. Please will someone involved in these article read WP:NOR, esp. WP:SYN. This title makes a mockery of these policy-guidelines. Actual content ... minus the spin ... would appear to be Ukraine in the Russian Civil War. By looking at the War of Independence articles, there needs to be establishment of usage for this term. Also the term suggests 1) the primary theme of the war was one side's struggle for an independent Ukraine (POV) and 2) that the latter were successful (they weren't). And 3) it has to be an established historical term in the lingua anglica! This article may need to go to WP:RFC. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 16:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I personally think that the title Ukrainian Civil War would be most acceptable. After all Ukrainians fought on all three sides, in the Russian White Army, in the Bolshevik Red Army, were allied to the Poles, in addition to exclusively making the Makhnovschina and the short-lived UNR states. By definition of a Civil War (A civil war is a war in which parties within the same culture, society or nationality fight against each other for the control of political power.), this fits perfectly to the case.--Kuban Cossack 16:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm more concerned about using any title which suggests widespread formal use. Description wise, Civil War is appropriate, as it would be to the War of American Independence and the Wars of Scottish Independence among others. However, use of "Ukrainian Civil War" likewise suggests a widespread formality of usage. Ukraine in the Russian Civil War and Polish-Soviet War is, if long-winded, descriptive and not in violation of guidelines. Is "Ukrainian Civil War" more widespread than "Ukrainian War of Independence"? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text:  I'll note, the Castilian wiki has much of the same content under the title Ukraine in the aftermath of the Russian Revolution,  :es:Ucrania después de la Revolución Rusa. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  UWI as a historical term 

message: Does anyone still dispute the accuracy of the title?  Speak up within two days, or I'll remove the dispute tag.  If there is an objection, then I'll post a formal proposal for renaming. —Michael Z. 2008-10-22 20:14 z
:I agree, and I removed the template. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing the dispute tag 

message: After a year of having a duplicate POV fork, I've redirected the article to Ukrainian–Soviet war. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 12:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted you (per WP:BRD); such a controversial merge (see above) should be discussed first. I think this is an important parent article that should not be redirected to Ukrainian–Soviet War. Note, also, that what you did was a redirecting without merging anything; you have also not done any cleanup such as removing "part of the Ukrainian War of Independence" from multiple infoboxes using it (such a removal, of course, should not be done until a consensus is reached here). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect to Ukrainian–Soviet War 

message: This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 19:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class review

message: I suspect this term may have to be dusted off and used for a separate war pretty soon. 68.37.254.48 (talk) 05:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ukrainian Civil War]] 

message: User: Jwkozak91 At first, I genuinely thought this was a rookie mistake by some miss-informed beginner, not something persistently pursued by an actual editor! May I ask, who the heck ever told you that it was the GERMANS who entered Chișinău? The Germans didn't even got around the area until February, but the city was occupied in January, by the ROMANIANS! The Germans never took Chișinău, in none of the two World Wars, as in July 1941 it was liberated by an all-Romanian force. Also it's not "Kishinev", and it never was. It's a Romanian city, please call it accordingly. And don't bring the argument "Oh, it was part of the Russian Empire at that time!" because Moldavia was declared in December 1917, with ROMANIAN as the official language! Can you please just stop?...Look, I don't know what a miss-informed delusional Germanophile/Russophile/Anti-Romanian racist you are, but what you're doing is WRONG and you must STOP!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.113.134.227 (talk) 12:09, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling them a racist is clearly uncalled for, and calling it 'liberated' by Axis powers makes it seem as if you may be a bit biased for... a few reasons. I'd also like to note the German army and air force were involved in taking the city, so it wasn't 'all-Romanian' by any means. However, Chișinău was the official and local name of the city, and should be used during the relevant period. Also, it's actually not a Romanian city- you'll note its currently the capital of a nation known as Moldova, which is not part of Romania. Belsima (talk) 23:33, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Kishinev" 

message: topic Maxorazon (talk) 19:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk:Kyiv/Archive_9#RfC:_Kyiv/Kiev_in_other_articles. Mellk (talk) 19:41, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks Maxorazon (talk) 20:00, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is this article written with Kiev instead of Kyiv?

message: The current title seems to reflect Ukrainian Nationalism more than reality. The article doesn't describe a war of independence, or indeed the achievement of independence.
"Ukrainian Revolution" would be a better title.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 09:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is it a war of independence if it created at best 1 year of German supported independence? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. It looks like this is the best title at this time, given the list at the current DAB.  UtherSRG (talk) 12:08, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ukrainian War of Independence →  – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Sources on the Ukrainian page call this "the Ukrainian Revolution," not the Ukrainian War of Independence. While this could lead to it being confused with later revolutions in Ukraine (like the Orange Revolution, or the Revolution of Dignity), this can also be distinguished by putting "(1917–1921)" in the title if needed. DJ (talk) 02:10, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Oppose, the current name descirbes the events properly and isn't confusing. No reason to move Marcelus (talk) 14:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Oppose there are tonnes of Ukrainian Revolutions this needs further dabing—blindlynx 14:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: if the article was title something alone the lines of "Ukrainian Revolution (1917–1921)," is that something you could see yourself supporting? DJ (talk) 15:50, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, or something 'Ukrainian during the russian revolution'...but that has scope issues—blindlynx 18:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: i guess if we do settle on that though the dead merge discussion will be relevant—blindlynx 22:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 26 September 2022 

message: — Assignment last updated by Chargrace621 (talk) 16:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Conflict Resolution

message: This conflict was multi-faceted, and the current title describes only the conflict between Ukrainian nationalists and Russian and Soviet imperialists. We need a better one. Stara Marusya (talk) 16:12, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title