Talk:Automated Payment Transaction tax

message: Hello all, I am a volunteer who has not been previously involved in this article, responding to a request for a third opinion made at WP:3O. As you might have noticed, I have refactored the discussion above to match the standard threaded format used on talk pages here. First off, I see a history of edit warring in the article, with several rounds of reversions. This is a serious issue, and should not be continued. Consensus should be reached before making a controversial edit, and if an edit is reverted, that should be taken as evidence that more discussion is needed.
As for the actual discussion, please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. The examples listed in the talk page above may be helpful in reaching a consensus, but the actual article content needs to be verifiable in neutral, reliable sources. Calculations performed by editors on the talk page should explicitly not form the basis of edits to the article. Particularly for politically charged issues such as tax policy, sources by partisan groups should probably not be used. There is a noticeboard where, if need be, sources can be posted for broader evaluation for reliability. VQuakr (talk) 04:58, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with VQuakr regarding the verifiable aspects here - the discussion seems to center around original research (the opinions of the editors involved) and not reliable sources to which they can reference.  Understandably, APT probably hasn't generated significant coverage in reliable sources, so they're working with limited material.  In that case, it would be best to leave such speculation out of the article until some research presents a conclusion to support an argument.  Based on what I read, it sounds like a proportional tax as applied to the tax base.  Note I said tax base and not income, as per the definition of these terms which tends to get twisted in such debates by applying a tax on consumption, transactions, etc (which involve multi-year timeframes) to something other than the base of taxation - income.  Based on my quick read, this appears to be part of the debate, which would be mathematically inaccurate if that is the case and the base is not income.  I haven't read enough to form a position, but as stated above, it may be moot unless sources are provided that substantiate the argument. Morphh  (talk) 15:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Just noticed that the article says this replaces all Unites States taxes.  Which caught me when I read "The APT approach would extend the tax base from income, consumption and wealth to all transactions", since the Federal tax system has no tax on consumption or wealth.  I don't believe replacing all taxes is even constitutionally possible unless each State and local municipality voluntarily implemented their own to piggy-back.  One site includes state level taxes and the other site doesn't.  This needs to be broken down a bit into how it would be implemented. Morphh  (talk) 15:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
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