Talk:Abraham Maslow

message: ===Section  on Maslow's hierarchy of needs===
The picture of the pyramid only has five levels of needs, but the written text describes seven levels of needs. I have noticed similar discrepancies on other sources on Maslow, too. Vorbee (talk) 20:48, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: "One thing that must be stressed at this point is that love is not synonymous with sex. Sex may be studied as a purely physiological need. Ordinarily sexual behavior is multi-determined, that is to say, determined not only by sexual but also by other needs, chief among which are the love and affection needs. Also not to be overlooked is the fact that the love needs involve both giving and receiving love."
Like for much of this, Maslow was less black-and-white than the people who came after him and made this into a fixed, rigid pyramid. His overall point was the drive that was strongest would take precedence, and this tended to be the lower level drives on the pyramid. Also bear in mind Maslow was writing about psychology as a psychotherapist helping people heal, not about work or other contexts.  Lauchlanmack (talk) 05:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
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message: The picture of the pyramid only has five levels of needs, but the written text describes seven levels of needs. I have noticed similar discrepancies on other sources on Maslow, too. Vorbee (talk) 20:48, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Section  on Maslow's hierarchy of needs

message: there is also three new stages that have come about over time the first two were in the 1970s thers stages are: Congitive needs: the need for koowledge and meaning. and Aesthetic needs: the  appreciation and search for beauty, balance, form. These two new stages fit between stages four and five. 
The third new stage was that of "Transcendence needs": or the helping others to achieve self actualization. this is now the eighth and final stage of Maslows model.
for mor information see http://www.businessballs.com/maslow.htm
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this is an example of how modern business perverts Maslow's original work to suit their specific needs. If you go look at it, you will see how they have inserted a great deal of business oriented language throughout it, and moved parts of mental ability up higher in the model to imply labor need not have, for example, knowledge or an aesthetic sense; these are reserved strictly for management. They have even inserted the concepts of subservience and dominance, when the original hierarchy was never about that. no, this is someone else's hierarchy, and only uses Maslow's name in an attempt to seem valid.
and in fact, if you actually read the page this refers to, instead of just looking at the pictures, the page acknowledges this. 108.2.231.252 (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:   three new stages of Maslow's Model? 

message: Why is "sex" at the base of the pyramid? It is a well-documented fact that animals in zoos will only mate if their basic needs are  fulfilled, and most will mate only if all the layers of the pyramids are fulfilled. Shouldn't "sex" figure higher on the pyramid? --Ireon 22:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "One thing that must be stressed at this point is that love is not synonymous with sex. Sex may be studied as a purely physiological need. Ordinarily sexual behavior is multi-determined, that is to say, determined not only by sexual but also by other needs, chief among which are the love and affection needs. Also not to be overlooked is the fact that the love needs involve both giving and receiving love."
Like for much of this, Maslow was less black-and-white than the people who came after him and made this into a fixed, rigid pyramid. His overall point was the drive that was strongest would take precedence, and this tended to be the lower level drives on the pyramid. Also bear in mind Maslow was writing about psychology as a psychotherapist helping people heal, not about work or other contexts.  Lauchlanmack (talk) 05:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Pyramid - "sex"?

message: The section on self-actualisation names Albert Einstein and Henry David Thoreau as two people who Maslow considered self-actualisers, but surely Maslow considered more people self-actualisers than just these two individuals. Vorbee (talk) 20:16, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Section on self-actualisers

message: === "best known for ..." ===
This article begins with a sentence stating that Maslow is best known for his hierarchy of needs. Should it not say that he is best known as the founding father of humanistic psychology?Vorbee (talk) 17:56, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Vorbee on this. Just because Joe Public has heard of the pyramid doesn't mean it should lead an encyclopaedic entry on a great thinker. We can note that the Archimedes entry doesn't mention 'Eureka' in the lede. Onanoff (talk) 22:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't believe that he was in fact involved in Positive Psychology, as this field wasn't established at the time of his work. His work was considered Humanistic Psychology, as Joshua said, which was a predecessor to Positive Psychology. The citation for this point about Positive Psychology is also inaccessible. 
Deleting this point from the article. Jmspin (talk) 08:44, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: About Maslow

message: This article begins with a sentence stating that Maslow is best known for his hierarchy of needs. Should it not say that he is best known as the founding father of humanistic psychology?Vorbee (talk) 17:56, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Vorbee on this. Just because Joe Public has heard of the pyramid doesn't mean it should lead an encyclopaedic entry on a great thinker. We can note that the Archimedes entry doesn't mention 'Eureka' in the lede. Onanoff (talk) 22:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "best known for ..." 

message: :: I don't believe that he was in fact involved in Positive Psychology, as this field wasn't established at the time of his work. His work was considered Humanistic Psychology, as Joshua said, which was a predecessor to Positive Psychology. The citation for this point about Positive Psychology is also inaccessible. 
Deleting this point from the article. Jmspin (talk) 08:44, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Maslow and Positive Psychology?

message: Bit of confusion about his connection to Cornell.  It is listed among his affiliated institutions and he is marked as an alumni via a hyperlink at the bottom of the page, but there is no mention of Cornell University in the body of the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.236.97.31 (talk) 23:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cornell 

message: Maslow died a relatively early death, aged 62. 
* Was he himself person fulfilled? 
* What did he die of? 
* What were his last writings, sayings, thoughts?
92.11.30.201 (talk) 03:25, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  His death 

message: I've heard Maslow pronounced "mah-zlow" and "maw-zlow", with the first syllable being similar to either "matrimony" or "mock".  Is there a "right" way to say it?  How did he say it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karuna8 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a "correct" pronunciation of his name? 

message: In trying to track down the hammer-nail quote by Abraham Maslow. My lengthy searches revealed several versions (see below). I am keen to have the quote in its original form and the source in which it appeared.
"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you treat everything like a nail."
"To the man who only has a hammer in the toolkit, every problem looks like a nail."
"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail."
?When the only tool you have is a hammer, all problems begin to resemble nails.?
at http://www.gurteen.com/gurteen/gurteen.nsf/id/S613630/ i asked in a forum for help, but the original question is old, so noone might come around. i would be happy if anyone might post a comment with the pagenumber there. thx, tomk
Hammer-nail quote is given as:
"I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail." 
and sourced at:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_Maslow  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.197.39.239 (talk) 00:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Source of Maslow "hammer and nail" quote

message: === Methodology ===
The page specifically for the hierachy of needs includes this critique and I believe it should also be included on his main page. It is a major influencing factor in his work.
Maslow studied people such as Albert Einstein, Jane Addams, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Baruch Spinoza, rather than mentally ill or neurotic people, writing that "the study of crippled, stunted, immature, and unhealthy specimens can yield only a cripple psychology and a cripple philosophy." Maslow studied the healthiest 1% of the college student population.
===How do other Psychologists view of his works? Critiques?===
Here is a schwedish critical opinion:
http://www.physto.se/~vetfolk/Folkvett/19992maslow.html
I can't offer any direct sources, but I am well aware that in describing self-actualized individuals Maslow used largely circular reasoning.  To pinpoint individuals that had obtained this state he used an assessment to determine people's emotional well-being and took those from around the top 2 percentile.  He used these people to deduce his traits for these people (kinship with the world, mystical peak experiences, problem-oriented).  Of course, in assessing the level of self-actualization in individuals, he used his own subjective idea of emotional well-being and, for the most part, honed in on the traits that he later used in his conclusions.  To put the idea simply, people behave a certain way if they are self-actualized.  People are self-actualized because they behave a certain.  The whole model is circular reasoning and loaded with flaws such as the one pointed out by the poster below.
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===Can You give an answer to the following cases, that doesn't fit in the Maslow's hierarchy:===
-- For example artists, novelists can be starving and they can isolate themselves from social life to do their work?
--  Suicidal behavior
With king regars
Hanna
I don't see how they "don't fit". I wouldn't have put it that way. Artists don't starve to the point that they can't move, and even when they and religious people fast, they do it on a temporary basis. Suicide has a myriad of psychological things associated with it. How are you relating it? It doesn't conflict with the ideas of Maslow concerned here. --DanielCD 16:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critiques of Maslow's work 

message: -- For example artists, novelists can be starving and they can isolate themselves from social life to do their work?
--  Suicidal behavior
With king regars
Hanna
I don't see how they "don't fit". I wouldn't have put it that way. Artists don't starve to the point that they can't move, and even when they and religious people fast, they do it on a temporary basis. Suicide has a myriad of psychological things associated with it. How are you relating it? It doesn't conflict with the ideas of Maslow concerned here. --DanielCD 16:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Can You give an answer to the following cases, that doesn't fit in the Maslow's hierarchy:

message: Why is the opinion of someone with no psychiatric training like Christina Hoff Summers is relevant to this article? Would the opinion of Jay McInerney be relevant? After all, he's an author too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.36.142.190 (talk) 00:21, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is the Christina Hoff Summers Opinion Relevant? 

message: === Kurt Goldstein's influence on Maslow ===
(Moved from article space by Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email)  04:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Development of his theory 

message: (Moved from article space by Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email)  04:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurt Goldstein's influence on Maslow 

message: It gets really interesting looking at Maslow with an evolutionary biologist's toolbox. 
Up to the level of self-actualization everything makes a lot of sense,  but from that point onward completely different dynamics ensue. Biologically, if an entity has reached the top of its abilities and has verified that this is indeed true and not wishful thinking (a translation for the very vague term of "self-actualization"), it necessarily will switch from entity-egoistic programs to genetic-code supporting programs.
In plain English: There need to be higher levels in the pyramid, constituting needs that would appear "altruistic" to psychologists. 
Since this is a self-emergent system under evolutionary selection, thinking in terms of "self-interest" of a single unit leads you completely astray.Hirsch.im.wald 11:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Connections to Evolutionary Biology

message: When mentioning Maslow's early research into non-human primates, should this article not mention Harry Harlow and Robert M. Yerkes, as Maslow did work with both of them? Vorbee (talk) 16:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Early research into non-human primates

message: I've created a cleaner version of the hierarchy pyramid but I'm not very familiar with the procedure to follow when replacing images.  This is the image:
Please consider replacing the current image with this version. Mrestko 09:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
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