Talk:Charles Deering Estate

message: A lot of the pictures on this article are from RossF18 and my self taken with low resolution cameras. I plan to take a trip down to Deering Estates soon with my DSLR to take higher resolution photographs of the houses. Soon we will have more, hopefully better quality, photographs documenting the estates. --Joel M. (talk) 17:42, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures of the Estate 

message: I have tried searching for the book Florida, DK Eyewitness Travel Guides, 2004 which is referenced in the article to note the ISBN number but I can't find it. I found the 2006 one but not the one published in 2004. Anyone can help finding it? --Joel M. (talk) 19:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finding a source's ISBN number 

message: There seems to be a photograpgh of Charles Deering but I don't know how to find out of it's in the public domain or not. Anyone knows how to check and can do so? Thanks
I saw the photo of Deering here: http://www.miamidade.gov/parks/parks/deering.asp --Joel M. (talk) 19:58, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph of Charles Deering 

message: I am going to remove the following information out of the article due to not being able to find a source for the information.
:The property has been known to be vandalized by means of objects being taken from the property since the estates can be entered with out supervision. Bottles in the Stone House basement is one popular location where visitors steal old wine and whiskey bottles as souvenirs. Bottles that contain original fluid is not put out in display anymore due to this problem.
Yesterday I visited Deering Estates and took the guided house tours. When the tour came to an end at the wine cellar, I noticed a whiskey bottle was missing from the display (I have been the wine cellar many times before and seen the bottle). When I asked the tour guide as to why the whiskey bottle was missing, she explained that people sometimes take the bottles that have liquid inside as souvenirs. Due to that, bottles with liquid inside of them are not put in display anymore. The tour guide also pointed to empty wine bottle "cubby holes" and explained that visitors also steal the empty wine bottles.
I have no idea how this kind of information can be used in Wikipedia. Perhaps I need to record the tour guide speaking and then upload the audio to commons as a source or something to that effect. I will research this further. 
I suppose an alternative to the above would be to try to find a newspaper article that mentions the theft of bottles. Up to this moment I have not found anything related to theft on the property. --Joel M. (talk) 19:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism at Deering Estates 

message: I added a section for Charles Deering under the history heading. This section isn't supposed to be an extensive look at Charles' history, rather, it should give a general history his life and how it relates to the Estates. Charles' extensive history should be written at Charles Deering. --Joel M. (talk) 04:55, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles Deering History 

message: I removed the following statement due to it not being accurate.
:Charles used the property regularly between 1916 and 1927.
The claim above leads you to think that Charles lived on the property in 1916. The source I consulted, listed below, explains that Charles bought the Richmond Cottage in 1916 but didn't moved to Cutler until 1922. 
I am guessing that after the Richmond Cottage was bought by Charles, it took six years for the property to be prepared for the Deering family to move in. I think at this time, Charles was living in Buena Vista, FL. Google Maps
I'll change the information to reflect this as Charles having lived on the property from 1922 to 1927 when he died on the property.
*Metropoliton Dade County Historic Preservation Board. "The Deering Estate" The Charles Deering Estate Historict S.W. 167 Street and Old Cutler Road: Designation Report. Miami: Metro-Dade, 1985. 5,6. Print.
The source above can be found at the Main Library in Miami, Florida. If you live too far to visit the library, you can find the library's contact information here in order to arrange a photocopy of the pages to be mailed to you or have the passage read to you over the phone. --Joel M. (talk) 15:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles used the property regularly from 1916 to 1927 - Correction 

message: I went ahead and restored to the best of my abilities the current portrait of Mr. Deering. You can see the changes here. --Joel M. (talk) 16:06, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo Restoration

message: It has been commented that the Visitor Information section reads as an advertisement. See comments here. I decided to move the section in question into the talk page so that it may be rewritten without causeing the main article to have a WP:POV or WP:TONE problem.
The Visitors Information needs to be rewritten to match more what would be found in an encyclopedia and not what would be expected in a promotional website. Any help received will be greatly appreciated. Please keep the original copy in tact and only edit the copy designated to be edited.
The original text:
The park opens for visitors at 10:00 AM and closes at 5:00 PM. The park is opened everyday except Christmas and Thanksgiving, admission is $10 for adults and $5 for children. Tours of the home are held daily and is included in the admission fee. The park also hosts changing exhibits of art.
The property can also be rented for weddings and special events. These special events take place after Deering Estate closes for the general public and may last until midnight. The houses may be rented as well but the guests are restricted to the first floor of either house.
Copy to be edited:
Deering Estate is open to the general public everyday except Christmas and Thanksgiving, from 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM. One way that Deering Estate Foundation, "raise[s] public awareness, outreach, [and] understanding," is by providing daily tours of the locality.
The property can also be rented for weddings and special events. These special events take place after Deering Estate closes for the general public and may last until midnight. The houses may be rented as well but the guests are restricted to the first floor of either house.The Deering Estate at Cutler: FACILITY RENTAL RULES & REGULATIONS, February 2010 Edition.
-- References --
Thanks, --Joel M. (talk) 14:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visitor Information - Rewrite 

message: I removed the following line from the article since it doesn't add anything to the article other than the Deering Estate was added to a book.
In 1989, Deering Estate at Cutler was listed in A Guide to Florida's Historic Architecture, published by the University of Florida Press. (Florida's Historic Architecture 1989, p. 146A Guide to Florida's Historic Architecture, 1989, Gainesville: University of Florida Press, p. 146, )
Is this book spamming? Perhaps.
-- ℐℴℯℓ ℳ. ℂℌAT ✐ 00:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book listing removed 

message: I think the Richmond Cottage (perhaps before it was known by that name) was built in 1896 and that it was converted to an inn by 1900. Not sure though.
The thing is that the following source, "Newspaper: Charles Deering Dies At Home Near Cutler. " The Herald [Miami] 06 Feb. 1927. Print., said something to the effect of the Richmond Cottage was built along side the house where Mr. and Mrs. Richmond lived. Construction ended in 1900. But I keep running into more modern stories that it was built in 1896...
Can someone help me investigate this? Thanks. -- Joel M. Chat ✐ 23:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Richmond Cottage 

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