Talk:MRAP

message: "72 percent of the world's bridges cannot hold the MRAP."  This statement in the first section is extremely vague even if sourced.  What does the source use as the definition of a bridge (i.e. train bridge, foot bridge, ice bridge, culvert, etc.)?  I agree MRAPs are pretty darn heavy but the reference should be more specific or removed.  Even most third-world countries build bridges to hold the weight of supply trucks which weigh as much or more than MRAPs.  Bristus (talk) 14:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious Statistic 

message: Why is the Oshkosh M-ATV missing in the Listing of MRAP types in the "Categories" section? Tullius2 (talk) 06:42, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  M-ATV missing? 

message: Does anyone else want to research this and add it to the article? The Department of Homeland Security has acquired over 2,700 military-style, mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles for use inside the U.S. http://www.businessinsider.com/homeland-security-serving-warrants-mrap-2013-3  B4Ctom1 (talk) 00:18, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has been corrected, it's 16 vehicles, not 2700, and they've had them since 2008. They look like Alphas to me which makes sense because I think that 16 were delivered but never fielded. This explains where they went. We'd need more accurate and reliable source information to make any mention in the article though.Dino246 (talk) 21:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

text: I found a DoD Contract announcement awarding Navistar an $880 million contract for the procurement of "2,717 rolling chasis...for MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles." This may be where that 2,700 number came from. The issue is that The Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico, VA, is the contracting activity, not DHS. Here is the link http://www.defense.gov/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=4701.  I think this maybe the source info needed to state that DHS did not order these vehicles.  Thoughts anyone? (Pollocksa (talk) 21:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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message: I worked on the sources today. this article looks oversourced, but a third of links are dead.
i dont understand why people put in bare links without publication dates, which are crucial info for context.
please watch for anyone doing this and feedback. 
i understand that archiving is an extra step (but should be done), but putting in a mere publication date ?
As of today there are 31 dead links.--Wuerzele (talk) 18:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  dead links, poor sourcing habits 

message: "MRAPs, painted in law enforcement black, were used by riot police in the August 2014 Ferguson unrest. Police were equipped with military infantry gear such as body armor, gas masks, M4 carbines, and camouflage fatigues, heightening the issue of police militarization in the public eye.[115] In response, President Obama called for a review of the programs which supply military gear, including the MRAP, to local police.[116]"
Source 115: http://www.vox.com/2014/8/18/6003377/ferguson-military-gear
Neither of the vehicles displayed in the image at the source are MRAPs, both are clearly Lenco BearCats which fall into a completely different category of vehicle (as the BearCat is not mine resistant but designed to withstand small arms fire). Unless someone can show factual evidence that a MRAP was used by the police in response to the Ferguson Riots then it should not be posted that they were.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KalusAleksandr (talk • contribs) 15:51, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources state MRAPs were used.  There's no requirement for the source to have pictures of one as well. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  The source shows 8 images of Lenco BearCats and 1 image of a Lenco Bear and directly refers to the pictures as "MRAPs". This source clearly doesn't know the difference and is just using the buzzword that is going around the media, other sources including St. Louis County state they do not have MRAPs but rather two Lenco BearCats and one Lenco Bear.
"Despite reports that military “Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected” vehicles, or MRAPs, were used on Ferguson streets, a spokesman for the Missouri Department of Public Safety said none has been supplied to agencies in St. Louis or St. Louis County. Some other Missouri communities have received them, including St. Charles County." 
"The source said that what media reports have identified as a military-issued Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle in Ferguson is actually a much smaller privately sold vehicle called a BearCat. The vehicle cannot be obtained through the Pentagon's program and instead needs to be purchased by the department, he said. That assertion was backed up by Mike O'Connell, a spokesman for the Missouri Department of Public Safety, who said he did not have any records of St. Louis County police receiving any armored vehicles through the Pentagon's program." 
--KalusAleksandr (talk) 16:24, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

text: OK, that's fine.  You have provided enough sources to disprove the vox.com article. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:06, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you,KalusAleksandr ! appreciate it.--Wuerzele (talk) 03:36, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

text: I rephrased Layson's edit better and reincorporated the President's quote.  It's unreasonable to omit the president's words but include the quote from Sgt Rube of Backwater PD; I wouldn't oppose removing the quote but the section presently reads as attempting to discredit the issue of militarization.Lustatti (talk) 04:11, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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message: "MRAP is a United States military term for vehicles that are designed specifically to withstand improvised explosive device (IED) attacks and ambushes."  This  does not withstand even momentary scrutiny.  MRAP is a US military program; a class of vehicles built to related specifications for a related purpose.  It refers only to vehicles of that program, and is not a class of vehicles.  Just because Americans are unfamiliar with similar vehicles does not make the term all encompassing.  
A BTR-80 and a Volvo V60 - both are vehicles, with wheels, that have high mobility, which can be applied to many purposes.  they are high mobility, multipurpose, wheeled vehicles.   I don't think anyone thinks a Volvo station wagon is a Humvee.    Due to a tendency in the American military to give equipment descriptions instead of names, there are many such examples.  SCUBA. HEMTT.  LSVR.  LAV.  ATV.  
On the page for the GAZ 2975 Tigr, likening it to the "Russian Humvee" was called dubious, even though they're nearly identical vehicles - the Tigr looks similar, has a similar design, and fulfills the same role, but Tigr and Humvee are still completely different vehicles.
Please try and wrap your heads around the idea MRAP is not a class of vehicle, like tank or APC, only the program.  Please do not stop disseminating the idea MRAP applies to non-American vehicles, like the British Ocelot (vehicle), or the Russian Typhoon (AFV family). 
The term you can use is Infantry Mobility Vehicle.  IMV was originally used to describe an Aussie truck, but the company name changed the name to Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicle after IMV got applied to other vehicles.  Agerward (talk) 21:21, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
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message: MRAP.  "Mine resistant ambush protected."  An MRAP.  Many MRAPs.  A mine resistant ambush protected.  Many mine resistant ambush protecteds.  MRAP as a noun is a factually inaccurate colloquialism and should be avoided.  Agerward (talk) 21:32, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
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message: The term "Ambush Protected" is used 12 times on this page. "Mine resistant" is fairly self-evident but it would be nice if there were some explanation of what "ambush protected" means. Walkersam (talk) 05:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Ambush Protected' 

message: The article assumes that MRAPs are purely an American thing. That was my impression too, but now the Russians have them. (They were in the news because of some war somewhere.) Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 12:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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message: I think it might be a good idea to split this into at least two articles: one for MRAP (Program), covering the mid-2000’s military contracts, and one for MRAP (vehicle type), covering the general concept of a mine-resistant wheeled armored personnel carrier.
It seems like doing this would ease some confusion- examples like the Oshkosh M-ATV and JLTV were not part of the original program, but might be what people are looking for when they search “MRAP”. The same is true for vehicles from other countries with a similar purpose. Whyme943 (talk) 07:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split the article?