Talk:Pinoy Idol

message: Lets emulate what American Idol (season 7) has done, instead of what we have now.
AI7 has:
*San Diego, California: Qualcomm Stadium - July 30
PI1 will have:
*Pasay: SM Mall of Asia - February 21
**Highly urbanized city
*Batangas City, Batangas: SM City Batangas - January 24
**Component city
I repeat, it is of utmost importance to read WP:MOSPHIL and Cities of the Philippines. WP:MOSPHIL is a Wikipedia guideline and trumps any common use or whatever it is called. --Howard the Duck 10:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do we have to emphasize Highly urbanized city or component city?  I don't get it.  We could, however, do what we did on Philippine Idol, which is:
*Pasay City (advertised as Metro Manila). Starczamora (talk) 13:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The HUC/ICC label will determine if the province name should be appended. --Howard the Duck 13:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

text: P.S.: I'm willing to drop the province name in Batangas City if it's that  redundant. --Howard the Duck 16:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Fine, I'll agree on that. I just cringe to see those regional names (see the tables above) and the fact 23prootie can't wait for a couple of minutes for replies. --Howard the Duck 03:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Compromise

message: I was putting the word Season 1 in Pinoy Idol, but it seems Howard the Duck and Nanami Kamimura is not agreeing on it. I tried to put it because many are confused whether it is the second season for Philippine Idol or not. That's why I put the word Season 1.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Celester Mejia (talk • contribs) 10:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is because the editors are not yet sure if there will be a second season.  This also happened in Philippine Idol.  Starczamora (talk) 23:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think, whether there will be a second season or not, the word Season 1 shall be included because we're giving information so the data must be complete. Celester Mejia 2:35, 10 February 1008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not including Season 1 still makes the article complete.  After all, like what they have stated in the summary, there is not YET a Season 2.  Look here.  Starczamora (talk) 02:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But there's the season 1 ongoing already. Celester Mejia 02:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but is there another season to differentiate from Season 1?  The article itself denotes the show's first season.  Refer to similar first-season shows like Make Me a Supermodel and The Contender Asia. Starczamora (talk) 06:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: We'd only split a "Season 1" when a "Season 2" is announced, actually not even announced, if there are auditions already. Since Season 1 and Pinoy Idol is coterminous, there's no reason to add a "Season 1" header. --Howard the Duck 13:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 1 issue 

message: Hey, besides cities the American Idol (season 7)#Regional Auditions also lists states so I guess this article should follow suit. Now, I know that we don't have any states and we have provinces but I don't agree in using them. Using provinces might make that list look redundant (ex. Cebu City, Cebu; Batangas City, Batagas; etc...). They are also not unversal since Pasay isn't in a province so I propose using regions instead. 
*I would also like to point out that yes Davao City, Davao Region might look redundant but not as repeatedly redundant as the example stated above. And the regions are also different from American regions such as New England since they are mandated by either the legistration or the adminstration so they act more like states than merely cultural regions.23prootie (talk) 09:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All but 1 region are not LGUs. See Administrative divisions of the Philippines. Ergo, it's wrong to write "Santa Rosa, Laguna, CALABARZON". I mean who does that, anyway? --Howard the Duck 09:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The discussion above has clearly showed that showing the "region" is nescessary at least for one city (Pasay) because genrally there are some people who are unaware where it is. Anyway if the article should follow a "worldwide view" then "Metro Manila" should be added since most people around the world believe that any part of Metro Manila is simply "Manila" as certain news reports have stated in the case of Makati. Aso, I thought you have agreed in Adding Metro Manila. 23prootie (talk) 10:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Qoute:":Fine, I'll agree on that. I just cringe to see those regional names (see the tables above) and the fact 23prootie can't wait for a couple of minutes for replies. --Howard the Duck 03:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno why "Metro Manila" wasn't there anyway since I was fine with that already. Anyway, I'll be adding it. But please, don't add other regions' names. Mind you, American "regions" are also used by the federal government mostly for stats. --Howard the Duck 10:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Regional issue revisited

message: I think the dates of the auditions shall be included in the article. First of all, you deleted the table I made for the Auditions:
City                   	Venue            	Date             	No. of Qualifiers
Cagayan de Oro         	SM Cagayan de Oro	January 17, 2008 	
Batangas City, Batangas	SM City Batangas 	January 24, 2008 	
Iloilo City            	SM City Iloilo   	January 31, 2008 	
Cebu City              	SM City Cebu     	February 7, 2008 	
Davao City             	SM City Davao    	February 14, 2008	
Pasay                  	SM Mall of Asia  	February 21, 2008	
San Fernando, Pampanga 	SM City Pampanga 	March 13, 2008   	
Dagupan                	CSI The City Mall	March 16, 2008   	
Naga                   	SM City Naga     	March 27, 2008   	
Then, you told me that we should just copy the way it was written in American Idol.
*San Diego, California: Qualcomm Stadium - July 30 & July 31 
*Dallas, Texas: Texas Stadium - August 6 & August 7 
*Omaha, Nebraska: Qwest Center Omaha - August 10 & August 11 
*Atlanta, Georgia: Georgia Dome - August 14 & August 15WRCB TV - Channel 3 - Chattanooga, Tennessee
*Charleston, South Carolina: North Charleston Coliseum - August 18 & August 19News - South Carolina Now (SCNow.com)
*Miami, Florida: American Airlines Arena - August 22 & August 23
*Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: Wachovia Center - August 27 & August 28
Now, you wanted to write the Audition section into paragraph form. How can we identify how many qualifiers made it? And I do hardly believe that it is better to write it in bulleted form or in table format. Celester Mejia 10 March 2008, 09:17 (UTC)
:This is a part of WikiProject Idol series so partly what is done on other Idol series articles will be applied here. There'll be little "innovation" here from other Idol series articles to promote stability and consistency. --Howard the Duck 01:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The table above would only make the article too long with unnecessary information.  We try to keep the article as brief yet factual as possible so we could submit this for WP:GA (which Philippine Idol has already achieved). Starczamora (talk) 03:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Audition Dates 

message: This should be cleared up. Philippine Idol and Pinoy Idol are two different shows so technically GMA is searching for the first "Pinoy Idol" while Mau Marcelo is the first and only Philippine Idol. I have yet to see a report saying GMA or FremantleMedia doesn't recognize her as the first Idol franchise winner. --Howard the Duck 05:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whenever Mau Marcelo guests on SOP Rules, she is referred to as The Country's Fastest-Rising Diva. I'm still searching for the article where host Raymond Gutierrez stated "Ibang show po 'yon" (It's a different show, referring to Philippine Idol). Starczamora (talk) 06:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But have they said that she's not the first "Philippine Idol"? They're probably avoiding the issue so that part should be cleared up. GMA hasn't confirmed or denied that they did not recognize Mau Marcelo as the first local Idol series winner. --Howard the Duck 12:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If no one objects I'll fix the blurbs about this issue shortly. --Howard the Duck 17:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the article na, wherein Raymond Gutierrez refers to Philippine Idol as "a different show".  They are probably avoiding the issue on Mau though.  Starczamora (talk) 03:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think every well-informed person knows that the two shows are different so Raymond is correct in saying that they're looking for the first "Pinoy Idol", now if he or anyone else from GMA or FremantleMedia said that Mau isn't the first local Idol series winner then that's worth mentioning. --Howard the Duck 04:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I hope you don't mind (I know Wikipedia isn't a forum, but I have to bring this up), but speaking of Philippine Idol, did you know Jefferson Gayo, a Cebu auditioner from Philippine Idol is also one of those who passed in the Pinoy Idol Cebu auditions. If he gets through the semi-finals, we must take note of his Philippine Idol audition. Also, on a related note, Miguel Mendoza is now a possible finalist on the second season of Pinoy Dream Academy. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 09:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: It's time we clean that article up because parts of it are now plagued with bad grammar. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 09:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Recognized as the first Philippine Idol" 

message: For quick reference, here they are: http://www.pinoyidol2008.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=1  
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.61.65.87 (talk) 16:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Those better wait. It's considered WP:CRYSTAL if we post them now. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Top 24 Song Selections

message: Here I added this subsection due to its importance: The workshop phase will begin on May 23, with the top 12 men performing first, while the top 12 women will be be shown on May 24, and the first elimination will be on May 25.www.gmanews.tv/story, Pinoy Idol presents its Top 24 to the entertainment press --Florentino floro (talk) 08:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Workshop phase

message: Before arguing anything, please consider that artist who originally sang the song involved should be the artist listed, unless the program itself mentions the artist (especially one who sang a cover of the song). Example:
*"Angels (Robbie Williams) ← The original artist; don't change his name with that of another artist (such as the one who sang the cover).
*"I Am Changing" (Jennifer Hudson) ← The judges mentioned her, so she's the one listed instead of the original, Jennifer Holliday.
Another thing. When an artist already has a wikified link earlier in the article, further mentions should be left as is. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song artist reminder 

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