Talk:Lettice Knollys

message: Regarding the edit by wjohnson, which seemed to take issue with the allegation of the second Earl of Essex's paternity, please see "The Poems of Edward DeVere, Seventeenth Earl of Oxford and of Robert Devereux, Second Earl of Essex," Studies in Philology, Vol. 77, Early Winter, 1980, Number Five (special number), Steven W. May.  Professor May, of Georgetown College, cites the original error of Essex's date of birth that appeared in Thomas Mille's Catalogue of Honor, 1610.  Mille gives the date as November 10,1567, but May points out that the contemporaneous Court of Wards document describing Essex's knighting by the Earl of Leicester gives the former's birthdate as two years earlier, 1565.  Mille is unreliable in that his work contains other errors in dates for the Devereux family, for example, that Robert was knighted in 1585 rather than 1586 and that his younger brother Walter died in Lisbon in 1589 rather than in France in 1591.  The conception resulting in a 1565 birth date corresponds with the verified account of Queen Elizabeth's fierce public argument and reconciliation with Leicester and Lettice Knollys's return to her husband.  In his biography of Leicester's son Robert by Douglass Sheffield, The Son of Leicester, Biography of Sir Robert Dudley, Arthur Gould Lee also discusses the possibility that Leicester was Essex's father; unfortunately, he also had the date of Essex's birth wrong, so he was unable to amplify this argument.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by  Sbrice@sbcglobal.net (talk • contribs) 10 November 2004 
:The flirt of Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester with Lettice happened in June 1565, according to the Spanish Ambassador. So Lettice must already have been pregnant. Furthermore there is a certain resemblance with the first Earl of Essex in portraits of his son, whilst there is none with Leicester.
:Buchraeumer (talk) 15:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paternity of Robert Devereux, Second Earl of Essex 

message: Did Catherine Carey really believe that Anne Boleyn was innocent??
Unbelievable!!
What would have happened to the really close bonds between mother and daughter (Mary and Catherine). I mean, after everything Anne did to Mary; stealing her children, banishing her from court, dishonering and disgracing her name, it must have been nasty to have had a daughter who believed in the innocence of the schemes of Anne!!
Oh well, I am not a historian so no chances of me being right!!
Sweetlife31 (talk) 10:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Boleyn. Mary was a disgrace to the Boleyn family, especially after marrying a common soldier when Anne was queen and already bore the brunt of nasty allusions to the Boleyn's merchant origins. Mary showed a lack of common sense and discretion. Anne was accused of being vindictive but could be generous to those who slandered her such as her aunt, the Duchess of Norfolk who openly supported Catherine of Aragon and sneered at Anne's family, yet Anne was kind enough to arrange splendid marriages for her aunt's children. Catherine Carey was an intimate of Queen Elizabeth who greatly valued her service.jeanne (talk) 14:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Innocence or Not? 

message: I'm pretty sure there isn't an agreement about the order of birth of the three surviving Boleyn children, so why is Mary described as being Anne's younger sister? If no one knows who was the first to be born, shouldn't she be just mentioned as her sister? Diana Prallon (talk) 04:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mary Boleyn, the younger sister

message: I don't think the fact that Lettice has numerous descendants is a reason not to list the notable ones. If this went past a sentence, i would agree that this was quite unnecessary, but at worst this one sentence could be considered intereting trivia, though not necessary. People who are interested in Lettice are likely to find this one sentence worth reading and it isn't unencyclopedic to add this. Boleyn (talk) 05:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Undocumented. I don't see a reference or footnote there. Do you?  I didn't say there is nothing special about the people.  Read it again. I said there is nothing special about the descents, and there isn't.  A million, several hundred thousand?  Are you really basing your argument on the number only having 5 zeros after it rather than 6? A lot of people lived 500 years ago, and most of those of her status were ancestors of someone important. It is nothing but genealogical six degrees of separation.  That is what a genealogical database is for, not an encyclopedia.  There are thousands, if not tens of thousands of Wikipedia pages regarding ancestors of Winston Churchill.  We do not repeat this fact on every one of the pages. We do not even give this fact on the page for the father of Lettice. So why is the descent of Lettice to Churchill (or Darwin or Diana) particularly relevant? What is the particular importance of the Lettice-to-Churchill link that does not apply to her father or mother.  The fact is, there isn't any particular relevance - it is WP:UNDUE. Agricolae (talk) 16:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable descendants

message: Just to verify, the name ends w an [s] sound, not a [z] sound, right? And first name rhymes with niece? — kwami (talk) 21:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually the name "Knowles". Buchraeumer (talk) 09:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, will change. — kwami (talk) 10:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation