Talk:Hough riots

message: This needs more references/citations.  Even if a Communist-aligned author claimed responsibility for actions contributing to rioting, historians must have written about this event, causes and contributors.  The Communists could have been trying to take advantage of a situation that existed without them - as it did.--Parkwells 22:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I slightly changed the wording for the reference to the book.  I'm not sure why a referenced, publication requires a citation.  A citation simply directs you to a source.  Giving the name, author and date of a published book is a citation itself?  Also, many other citiations were already annotated with proper citations.  There is significant historical references to communist influence in the Hough riots, and they have been properly cited.Angncon (talk) 19:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because you have cited from primary FBI sources and a book by a former member of the Communist Party, for instance, rather than historians writing about the event, it looks POV and as if you are doing original research (OR), pulling data to support your own conclusions.  You're supposed to rely on scholarly sources, not groups who have their own agenda.  Time magazine is journalism, not history. --Parkwells (talk) 20:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I couldn't agree with you more.  Articles included in Wikipedia should only allow citations to scholarly or professional publications.  I would be the first in line to argue for this standard.  The reality is that if we held all Wikipedia articles to this standard, then 99.99% of them would require removal, to include about 75% of this article.  Remember, this is the same Wikipedia that routinely uses citations from Al Jazeera to explain events in the Iraq War.  As far as original research, according to Wikipedia OR produces 'new' knowledge.  No new knowledge is presented in the article regarding possible communist influence.  Only direct citations from a Federal Grand Jury investigations, several FBI reports, an author with knowlege of the riots, and the findings of a U.S. District Court. No original research, no new knowledge. Angncon (talk) 13:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just thought there might be studies other than the FBI's own reports. I understand what you mean about the "standard" being one many Wikipedia articles could not meet.--Parkwells (talk) 19:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is Bertram Gardner?  A statement is attributed to him without sourcing.  Was he a contemporary observer (appears so from context) - in what capacity?--Parkwells (talk) 17:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Question of Communist Influence 

message: This seems like too general a category to apply to the Hough Riots, which deal with a specific incident. It doesn't help to make the categories so broad that everything gets swept into them.--Parkwells (talk) 18:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are speaking about the communist influence, the cititations reveal that while communists did not start the riots, they certainly exacerbated them to the point where they became a national issue.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angncon (talk • contribs) 19:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My point about the categorization was that the Hough Riots shouldn't be classified under a category "Crime in Ohio", which seems much too general. --Parkwells (talk) 20:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category - Crime in Ohio

message: In the "Communist influence" section, I deleted a sentence that the "police and FBI received word that something was going to happen", and its related reference by a Time magazine article.  When I looked at the article itself, the discussion about planning referred to a later Cleveland riot under Mayor Stokes.  This is inaccurate and misleading.--Parkwells (talk) 14:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Time magazine reference

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "her" :
** Hough Heritage
** Hough Heritage
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thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

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message: If different names like "uprising", "rebellion", or the like are to be included, there need to be citations to that. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Event names