Talk:Øresund

message: Nothing about the Oresund bridge here...
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.147.144 (talk • contribs) 23:06, 30 January 2006
:There is now. :) —Apis (talk) 00:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oresund bridge 

message: What should we name the article?
The strait between Denmark and Sweden is called the same in both Denmark and Sweden, although it is spelled with a different character: Øresund and Öresund. Ø and Ö both referring to the same vowel, but that vowel is not used in the English language. In both Denmark and Sweden it's also informally referred to as sundet ('the sound').
English language sources refer to it as "the Sound": Norstedts sv-en dictionary translates "Öresund" with "the Sound". Encyclopædia Britannica and Encarta both list it as "the Sound" as well.
Suggestions made so far are: the Sound, Öresund, Øresund and Oresund.
This problem show up in all articles linking here as well (it's an important seaway after all so it's going to get mentioned in other articles). We could really use some insight by more editors, especially non Scandinavian ones.—Apis (talk) 06:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: What does Oresund mean? --Chvsanchez (talk) 06:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe ör or öre is derived from an Old Norse word meaning something akin to "rough gravel", and is found in many Swedish and Danish placenames, e.g. Örebro. Sund means "sound", as in, a large ocean inlet, or a narrow ocean channel between two bodies of land. You can read more on the etymology of sund here. Best regards, Hayden120 (talk) 07:28, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning 

message: After reading the previous conversations, I came to conclusion that there is no official english name.
To the comment that there other ones that are called 'The Sound': at least those two mentioned are in english-speaking areas, and if this would follow the same convention, it should be the place or location and then 'sound'. Maybe then it would be something like Denmark-Sweden Sound, but that isn't probably sourcable from anywhere. 
It is though quite strange that the name of the article is Øresund, but the article still starts with The Sound is.... 82.141.95.57 (talk) 22:27, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name of the article 

message: The name of the danish city is HELSINGØR, not bloody Elsingore or whatever you call it. You can call the swedish town of Helsingborg by it's original name, but not the danish name? Why? Because Shakespere said so? The name is Helsingør, END OF STORY. - Mike —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.49.41.78 (talk) 19:40, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
:The Danish name is Helsingør, but the name most commonly used in English-language sources is Elsinore, and that's what guides our choice of names for articles.  Analogously, we use Copenhagen rather than København. Favonian (talk) 19:49, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of danish city 

message: (diff)
The way these things go (on Wikipedia, idk why it has to be this way): 
There are sources, and then there are random experts explaining the sources for the "general public" on the popular media. For some reason, people always prefer to cite the latter, even when the actual  sources are directly available online. Thus we get 
"According to linguist Ole Lauridsen in the Danish radio program Sproghjørnet":
I am sure Lauridsen simply explained the entries Ør and Øre in Ordbog over det danske Sprog. I am sure he did so perfectly adequately, it's not his fault if people prefer to play a game of Chinese whispers and cite "the Danish radio program Sproghjørnet" instead of just looking it up themselves.
:uden for stednavne (jf. u. I. Ør) især geogr. ell. Skriftsprog eller litterært påvirket talesprog) sandet ell. gruset strand(bred), ofte spec.: dannende en odde, en halvø ell. en smal landtange. Den Øre, hvorpaa Korsøer ligger, danner en Eid tæt bag Byen. Thaar.​KS. 228. (Limfjorden) skilles i Nordvest fra Havet ved en smal Øre.
Now, I don't speak Danish, and correct me if I am getting this wrong, but it seems clear to me from the ordbog that øre is simply the word for "ear" which then came to be used for coastline formations, and secondarily for gruset strandbred. I.e. this is not some mysterious separate lexeme for gruset strandbred which somehow came to be mixed up with the "ear word" as was suggested by the person citing the radio program. 
It is also the ordbog that brings up Korsøer as an example, and from a glance at a map it is beyond me how anyone could come up with the claim that there " the coast does not form an 'ear'". This is an inversion of what the actual source has to say to an extent that makes me wonder how this is possible.  --dab (𒁳) 10:15, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is not the word for 'ear' in this case. It is a word for gravel. In Swedish :sv:ör is a word for gravel, see also :wikt:aurr. According to the soundfile you linked to, Öresund means 'the sound with the gravel shore' or 'the sound with sand beaches'. Nordisk familjebok has a totally different etymology. The sound is said to be named after a market place, Halöre, mentioned in several sagas. Btw, the name of the article should be The Sound. Edaen (talk) 13:06, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: In the article about Halör on the Swedish Wiki they point out that "ör" is commonly used term meaning a spit in the region, and commonly used in names along the Sound (e.g. Skanör, Helsingör, Dragör). So "örens sund" aka "öresund" would mean the sound of spits. (I also think the article name should be The Sound). 85.230.179.30 (talk) 23:08, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: ''gruset strandbred''

message: Informally Sundet (lit. "the Strait") in both languages.
Not in Swedish, it isn't (I wouldn't know about Danish). I've grown up in an old fishing community on the Swedish side of Öresund, I've spent much my life sailing, swimming and talking about it, and I've not once heard it referred to as "Sundet" in any more specific sense than one would call any nearby narrow stretch of water The Sound. As "Sund" is a common noun, this statement makes as much sense as having "Informally The City" next to an article about Copenhagen. Unless someone can provide a sensible source, I'd recommend remove this sentence (or change to "in Danish" if appropriate).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.71.249.151 (talk) 14:25, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: In Danish it is also more commonly called by its full name Øresund. The term "Sundet" is only used in expressions such as "på den anden side af Sundet" (Sweden), "over Sundet" (to Sweden), etc. I would be surprised if similar expressions don't exist in local Swedish. But it is not exactly commonly used, so we could drop that part. It is only in English the official name is merely "The Sound".Carewolf (talk) 01:13, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Well, I have grown up by the coast of Öresund as well and know for a fact that it is commonly referred to as Sundet in both Denmark and Sweden. Here is one example I found after my first google attempt, an article in Sydsvenskan 
Öresundsakvariet varnar tjuvfiskarna i Sundet har blivit modigare 85.230.179.30 (talk) 22:21, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informally Sundet?