Talk:Michael Jeffery

message: I will continue to reject this ridiculous competitive pedantry that inists on cluttering up the opening paragraph of biographical articles with styles, titles, ranks, honours and degrees. These belong in their appropriate place in the article, as is done in every other encyclopaedia. For purposes of comparison, I looked up Lord Salisbury in my three encyclopaedias: the Britannica, Colliers and Funk & Wagnalls. His articles begin:
*SALISBURY, THIRD MARQUESS OF (1830-1903), British statesman (Colliers)
*SALISBURY, Robert Arthur Talbot Gascoyne-Cecil, 3d Marquess of (1830-1903), British statesman (Funk & Wagnalls)
*SALISBURY, ROBERT ARTHUR TALBOT GASCOYNE-CECIL, 3RD MARQUESS OF (1830-1903), British statesman (Britannica).
In other words, the correct encyclopaedic style is for full name and peerage title, dates of birth and death and nothing else until the appropriate place in the article.
Adam 11:39, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Styles and Titles

message: We show the postnominal GCL.  I wonder if this is right, and would appreciate others' opinions.  
*It was an honorary award by the PNG government .  Gough Whitlam was given the same honour, as well as the title "Chief" for use in PNG, but his page has no reference to GCL or Chief.  There are no Google hits for Jeffery GCL (apart from w/pedia), or for Whitlam GCL. The GG's website makes no reference to this award. I suspect it's appropriate only in a PNG context, not generally.
*Michael Somare has the same (substantive) award.  His GCL seems to take precedence even over his knighthood (GCMG).  On that basis, Jeffey would be GCL, AC, CVO, MC.  But that assumes the GCL is appropriate at all.  JackofOz 10:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The GCL would come afterwards in Australia as an honour from another Commonwealth country. Somare takes it before the others as that is what the PNG Order of Precedence states. --Ibagli (Talk) 03:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of Logohu (PNG)

message: I found this photo  which shows Michael Jeffery wearing the Knights star of the Order of Australia.  Is this some special emblem allowed to him as GG ? Dowew 03:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star of the Order of Australia 

message: Major General Michael Jeffery? Since when did Major General become a part of his name?. MG is a military rank, not a name & Jeffery no longer holds the rank anway (he's retired from the Army). GoodDay (talk) 17:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: the lead

message: It’s been reported that he has “resigned” , and this form of words has now found its way into the article.  But I really wonder what the journo meant by this.  He certainly isn’t leaving the post in the immediate future, but carrying on till around August, as was always intended.  There's nothing on the GG website about any resignation.  Some G-G’s have actually resigned, in the sense that they have voluntarily cut their term short for various reasons – but I see no evidence that this is the case with Michael Jeffery.  If he really had resigned, he’d have to leave Yarralumla ASAP.  Anyone care to comment on this?  --  JackofOz (talk) 09:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks for that, Matilda.  It seems it's definitely happened, but it still seems an unusual way of doing things.  I appreciate that G-Gs are not appointed for a specific period, but there is a general understanding that they'll be there for 5 years, subject to extension.  When the 5 years or whatever agreed period is up, their appointment is terminated, and their successor takes over.  A resignation would be appropriate if he left at any time before the agreed period was finished, cf. Hopetoun, Kerr and Hollingworth.  Jeffery's resignation is in a completely different category than those 3.  He was appointed on 11 August 2003 and it's been reported many times that he was due to leave around the 5th anniversary in August 2008, which is why there's been recent interest in who his successor would be.  Far from cutting his term short, he’s actually staying for 3 weeks longer than the originally agreed period.  So, I honestly can't see any rationale for a resignation in these circumstances, because it defies logic.  Maybe being from the old school, and a military type, he felt it appropriate to be proactive about handing in his commission rather than waiting for the Queen to withdraw it.  Even so, a resignation of a commission normally takes effect more or less immediately, not in 4 months time.  Strange, very strange.  Cheers.  --  JackofOz (talk) 07:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The more I think about it, the more I believe it was simply shoddy wording from whoever drafted the PM's press release.  If Rudd used this word himself at the press conference, well, we know he's not exactly the world's best wordsmith.  The media, and politicians themselves, get this sort of terminology wrong all the time.  Members of parliament who announce they're not contesting the next election, but staying put until whenever it may be called, are often reported to have "resigned".  That's quite inaccurate.  What they're doing is "retiring".  They give themselves the postnominal "MHR" but there's no such thing - it's "MP".  They talk about their "electoral offices", but it should be "electorate offices" - the AEC is the only electoral "office".   And so on.  I think the same sort of terminological inexactitude has happened here.  In no sense is Jeffery resigning; Rudd's announcement was intended to convey that Jeffery had signalled his intention to continue until QB is appointed.  It was not only a completely unnecessary announcement, it was actually misleading.  We shouldn't take the announcement at face value but interpret it in an appropriate way.  Our reputation is at stake here.  I'm going to remove all references to Michael Jeffery resigning.  --  JackofOz (talk) 00:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Resignation?

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 19:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: This keeps on getting put in, but I have serious doubts about it.  I know of no protocol whereby an ex-governor-general gets to be The Hon solely by virtue of that office.  Peter Hollingworth is definitely not.  Most of the others are, but that's because they were Ministers (Hayden, Hasluck, ...), High or Supreme Court judges (Deane, Stephen, Kerr, ...), or Rt Hon because they were members of the Privy Council (Cowen, Casey, De L'Isle, ....).  If I'm wrong, can anyone provide a cite?  --  JackofOz (talk) 05:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Until such a citation appears, I'm removing it.  --  JackofOz (talk) 22:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Style "The Honourable"

message: His appointment was generally welcomed, although there was some critical comment about the appointment of another Anglo-Australian male to the post
Is this vandalism?  If not, in what sense is he an Anglo-Australian?  Or were they making a distinction between males of Anglo-Celtic origin vs. indigenous or other-ethnic men or women vs. any women at all?  --  JackofOz (talk) 04:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Anglo-Australian?

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message: Dear Mr Afterwriting,
Let's look at the facts - not people's opinions or interpretations - the facts.
# ALL Australian milhist bios for Generals include the rank as the first word or two of the lead.
# Many of these bios are Featured Articles, A-class Articles, Good Articles, etc. and have been reviewed and approved by people who know what they are talking about, and are VERY familiar with wikipedia policies.
# There is a consenus amongst editors of Australian milhist bios for Generals (and there are many such people) that the rank appears as the first word or two of the lead.
# MANY British, American, Australian and other countries' milhist bios for ranks of Major / Squadron Leader / Lt Commander and above include the rank as the first word or two of the lead.
# There is a consenus amongst editors of these milhist bios that the rank appears as the first word or two of the lead.
Before you continue your uncivil behaviour, please stop and think about these FACTS. 
Pdfpdf (talk) 08:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
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