Talk:Leroy Jethro Gibbs

message: I'm not sure why this article was marked for cleanup. Anybody think it could it be removed now? Splamo 01:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Don't delete this page  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tolnedra (talk • contribs) 14:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't delete

message: Several episodes refer to Gibb's drinking habits, but I can't find any reference within
the article, and can't for the life of me remember what it was. AnarchyElmo (talk) 05:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: what's he drink?

message: The article uses both numbers. So which is correct? 23skidoo 05:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's been married four times, and divorced three, his first wife was murdered.--ᎠᏢ462090 20:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Three wives or four?

message: Or do I mean Gibbs-erish? Anyhoo, my query regards this passage:
"but another technique which he enforced to Abby is the fact to encourage her and the others to work faster (For Example, In Deception (SE3EP13) Abby and McGee are tracking down an internet pervert. Gibbs instructed them to relay the IP address they had to each one within the local community. Abby and McGee tell automatically believe that they have 20 minutes to complete this task as Gibbs always was think do be done quicker. When they tell Gibbs how long they think they have Gibbs replies saying that he was thinking of 10 minutes not 20)."
Does anyone have a version of this that wasn't translated to German and back via Babelfish? Optimus Sledge 03:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just deleted it.Richard75 23:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gibberish 

message: Do we know how old Gibbs is? Or at least an estimate? I know that in "The Curse" 1x05, he's revealed to be more than 37 but not "considerably." Do we ever learn for certain? Mukk 00:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You also assume that the show must move in real time with the world. West Wing crushed 8+ years of the two presidential terms (+ first campaign) into 7 seasons. That said, from the article's text... if he was between 18 and 20 when he left Stillwater in 1976, it means he was born between 1956 and 1958. The article also states he is a Virgo, which means he was born in late August or early-to-mid September. That means that as of the time of this comment, Gibbs should be somewhere between 50 and 52. -68.209.116.39 (talk) 04:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: Just a statement, that this page needs to be updated. They are now into season 5 and alot more details have been revealed. --203.59.131.101 13:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement 

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je m'apelle françoise et vous?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.172.55.38 (talk) 21:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  salut 

message: I've added the television infobox to see if we can't bring in some people more knowledgeable about working on tv characters. I also propose removing the Military History infobox. As Gibbs is a fictional character, I don't really think it applies in this instance. Although if anyone can defend it, i'm ertainly not opposed to leaving it there.
Also, regarding the current deletion discussion, the most glaring issues seem to me to be that the article is full of Original Research (OR), and is written from an in-universe perspective. What this means is that more third party sources that are reliable need to be added to be sued to establish his notability, and that the article needs to be re-written as if we were looking at it from the outside. While I'm at it, I'll add the OR and In-universe tags to the front to mark it as such. If anybody can think of anybody else can think of anything that can be done, please be go ahead and do it. To participate in the deletion discussion, go here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leroy Jethro Gibbs 
Umbralcorax (talk) 21:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  television project/deletion discussion 

message: I also don't know why this Article should be deleted.
I've read this talk and the only person how wrote, that the article should be deleted, is DavidHOzAu.
(Maybe have misunderstood any statement...)
And it seems to me, that DavidHozAu no longer belongs to wikipedia...
Leroyjgibbs  —Preceding comment was added at 20:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: why should it be deleted?

message: Per the discussion at the AfD, I've removed material from this article that was either in-universe, OR, or not specifically referenced. -- Mikeblas (talk) 00:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: OR removed

message: The version of this article prior to the AfD had what some might consider WP:OR since there were no references.  I did a quick check on the EBSCO database at my library and found these articles that might provide references for any interested editors:
*NCIS SHOCKER!  TV Guide; 3/13/2006, Vol. 54 Issue 11, p32-32, 1p, 2c
*The MVP of NCIS. TV Guide; 3/27/2005, Vol. 53 Issue 13, p30-32, 3p, 2c
*NCIS. TV Guide; 2/6/2005, Vol. 53 Issue 6, p109-109, 1/4p, 1bw
*NCIS. TV Guide; 11/14/2004, Vol. 52 Issue 46, p110-110, 1/4p, 1bw
*NCIS (TV Program). TV Guide; 9/26/2004, Vol. 52 Issue 39, p107-107, 1/4p, 1bw
*NCIS. TV Guide; 9/24/2007, Vol. 55 Issue 39, p70-70, 1/4p, 1c
*NCIS. TV Guide; 9/17/2007, Vol. 55 Issue 38, p55-55, 1/3p, 1bw
*NCIS. TV Guide; 3/31/2008, Vol. 56 Issue 14, p36-36, 1/4p, 1bw
*Naval Gaze. Entertainment Weekly; 2/23/2007 Issue 922, p89-89, 1p, 2c
*TOP SECRET ADMIRERS. TV Guide; 1/9/2006, Vol. 54 Issue 2, p22-25, 4p, 6c
*MARK HARMON. TV Guide; 4/28/2008, Vol. 56 Issue 17, p22-24, 3p, 4bw  --Captain-tucker (talk) 13:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible sources for this article 

message: I can understand not wanting to be known as Jethro, but was "Leroy Jethro" planned from 1/1, or was it a gaffe by later-season writers who didn't read the show bible?  TREKphiler hit me ♠  13:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: In OR?

message: There really ought to be a spoilers note at the top of this page, since it details information (even in the first paragraph) from season six which hasn't been internationally released yet. KLF Fitton (talk) 17:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. See WP:SPOILERS. McWomble (talk) 04:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoilers

message: Decided to make some notes as I watch NCIS again from the beginning. Maybe there's enough for me to summarise it into the main article. Will also attempt to note down the "rules" that are often quoted.
* Weapon - Sig Sauer (ref S01E01- when told to leave it behind when going on AF1). May be that's the standard weapon issued to all NCIS agents. Recall Ari spoke of Caitlin carrying a Sig. - seeS01E15 when Ari first meets Caitlin.
* A character trait - He doesn't understand young stuff and sometimes has to have it explained. eg emo music S01E02, phat party in S01E01
* Tech challenged. Doesn't know much about computers, mobile phones etc. Example - Didn't know how to use call blocking in S01E01. Didn't recognise an XD card when he saw it. (S01E19) No idea what (or how to use) a USB memory stick. Agreed when this was pointed out to him. even said he preferred to use a notebook and pencil instead of a PDA. S01E16. (However did start using a PDA in S01E18)
* Needs spectacles. Number of times he has problems reading and had to squint or adjust the distance.
* Doesn't use cologne. S01E08
* Only child. S01E12
* Slap the face is humiliating, back of the head is a wake up call. S02E05
* Bottle of bourbon next to paint thinners in the basement/garage where boat built. S02E05
Linnah (talk) 00:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: Can't source it (a perennial problem ;D), but FYI, this is a variation on a theme familiar in pulp SF, one so common it became known in some circles as "the dumb girlfriend". While Buck Marvellous is off fighting the minions of Emperor Chaotica, Dr. Brilliantine is devising a fabulous & (of course) highly technical way of saving the planet. Since the average audience was a 12 year old boy, this naturally required explanation that was accessible, hence the dumb girlfirend. Gibbs is the first case I've seen of Buck's own stupidity (why else would you voluntarily take on the minions all alone? Every time?) being made the butt of the joke.  TREKphiler hit me ♠  13:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Give it to me in English"

message: This redirect war is pointless and will only lead to all involved being blocked. Please discuss this matter, because I have protected this article for a month to the point that only sysops can edit it. -MBK004 02:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit War and protection 

message: "As revealed by Ducky in an episode in Season 3, in his younger years Gibbs was like Tony, personality wise, before his first wife Shannon and daughter Kelly, were murdered."
Ducky only knew Gibbs after he joined NIS (before the NCIS name change), likely while he was Mike Franks' probie. This is discussed in "Hiatus, Part 2" at the end of Season 3 (Ducky is speaking with Gibbs doctor, coincidentally the one that also treated him in Desert Storm). Shannon and Kelly were murdered while Gibbs was still a marine sniper; Franks led the investigation. Gibbs joined NIS after coming back from Mexico (to find Shannon and Kelly's murderer). By the end of "Kill Ari" Parts 1 & 2, it is revealed that the only person at NCIS that knows about Shannon and Kelly is Ziva David, because she had done a thorough dossier on Gibbs for Ari Haswari.
Since the specific Season 3 episode is not referenced, I cannot readily remember the details of this conversation/statement of Ducky's. It happened, but under the story's circumstances, Ducky would have to be insinuating something else caused the personality change. Perhaps it would be the multiple divorces that Ducky believes jaded Gibbs, or even more likely, Caitlyn's death.
In support of the Caitlyn's-death theory:
Season 1: Episode 3 "Sea Dog," Gibbs flirts with the tv reporter over lunch; Episode 4 "The Immortals," Gibbs is rather playful & cheeky when Tony gives Kate a bikini from Puerto Rico (bottoms with a matching hat). In the first and second seasons, Gibbs could be described as a more experienced and mature Tony. There is definitely a character change after Caitlyn's death.
There is a similar character change for Tony in "Agent Afloat" (S6,E115) when he is seen again after Season 5, Ep 113 "Judgement Day, Part 2." 
64.183.51.26 (talk) 21:01, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  But Ducky didn't know about Shannon and Kelly 

message: Please add more!!!
Rule:
* 1. Never let suspects stay together. S01E01
* ?Rule 1 was just stated as "Never screw over your partner." 
* 2. Always wear gloves at a crime scene. S01E01
* 3. Never be unreachable. Ref: Season 3, episode 13. 
* 4. was the best way to keep a secret is to tell no 1 the second best was to tell one other person if u most, there is no third best
* 7. Always be specific when you lie. S01E23
* Rule 7: Always be specific when you lie. Ref: Season 1, Episode 23, "Reveille"
* 8. Never take anything for granted. Ref: "The episode where Timothy shoots a cop" -- Mjquin_id (talk) 01:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consolidated list 

message: The Gibbs' Rules list is getting very large, has had a few questionable (WP:OR) edits popping in and ones where there is disagreement on the exact wording. I had thought it has been agreed in discussion that if we allowed trivia such as this to be included on the Leroy Jethro Gibbs page, it would spread and be impossible to keep under control (note: Aussie and I agreed that we remembered it being discussed - but can no longer locate where the discussion is). Anyone else have an idea on this? Perhaps a separate page for the rules to keep the character page from getting too unwieldy? Trista (Triste Tierra - cannot log in at work) 24.176.191.234 (talk) 19:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: At the most recent deletion discussion, one of the points raised in favour of deletion of this article was that it contained fancruft. Gibbs' rules were specifically mentioned as an example of fancruft. For this reason, to discourage further AfD nominations (the article has been nominated thrice thus far), I've been deleting them when they're added as they do appear to be fancruft. However, I am open to discussion of this matter. Can anyone explain why they aren't fancruft? Inclusion of the list in the article is not appropriate without real world encylopaedic analysis supported, of course, by citations from reliable sources. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:10, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

text: "I'd argue that "Gibbs' Rules" are an important device" - This may be the case but simply listing the rules is not sufficient. To justify inclusion a third party analysis, backed up by citations from reliable sources is required. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:56, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Gibbs' rules - Inclusion in this article 

message: I recently discovered Leroy J. Gibbs, which is a redirect, originally created as an article about Gibbs. An AfD resulted in that article being redirected to List of NCIS characters. I've now changed it to redirect here but I found that the original, fairly well written article still exists. It's unreferenced but it would seem appropriate to merge what can be used here. The format needs a clean up, but it's a good basis for improving the article. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What should really happen is the Leroy J. Gibbs article be moved into this one, but to do that a request must be made here. I say this because this article (Leroy Jethro Gibbs) already exists and the move can't be done without an administrator's help. El Greco(talk) 23:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really understand why that is necessary in this case. The version of that page that I linked to is essentially the same as the version that resulted in the decision to redirect. It's a little top-heavy on unnecessary fluff and it's unreferenced. This article at least has some references. The content history of the other article is very short compared to this (10 edits by 2 editors vs several hundred edits by many users). The version of the article that we want is going to be a combination of both articles and it's going to need some work to get it there. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the thing, since both articles are about the same person, the page history should follow that rather than copying and pasting info from the J. Gibbs article to the Jethro Gibbs article per Wiki policy. El Greco(talk) 21:14, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: I've added some information about his family (surely with sources). Why it is reverted and I recive that notice? Something wrong is with my English? (possibly, 'cos I'm from Russia). But information I've add is true, so I ask some English users to be so kind and maybe correct some of my verbs or spelling. --Аракаси (talk) 13:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: More info about wifes

message: Can we safely include Gibb's service number, 817657320?  It's in "Deliverance".  TREKphiler hit me ♠  12:27 & 12:57, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: By the numbers

message: The birthday of the United States Marine Corps is November 10th.  During this day all current and former Marines celebrate this date by saying "Happy Birthday" to each other.  I know because I am married to a Marine and my real birthday is November 10th.  Every year, my husband says "Happy Birthday Marine Corps" before be says "Happy Birthday" to me.
So when Abby says "Happy Birthday" to Gibbs at the end of show, she is saying that because he is Marine and that show is during the time of the Marine Corps birthday celebration not because it is his real birthday.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cehsu73 (talk • contribs) 01:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification of November 10th as his birthday 

message: A few weeks ago I met a guy who told me he had done some of his Marine sniper training with a real Jethro Gibbs.
From the other stories he told I believe that he really was a Marine sniper.
This would be very interesting if true but obviously doesn't belong in the article until it is confirmed.
Can anyone positively confirm or refute this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1supertrucker (talk • contribs) 16:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Any link with a real sniper requires reliable sources so it's original research for now. Fiction doesn't have to follow the rules of the real world so 1991 not being a leap year in the real world is not an issue. There was mention of the leap year in the article but it was removed for that reason. Gibbs' rules have been excluded from the article because they constitute fancruft. This was a specific point raised during the discussion last time the article was nominated for deletion. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could Jethro Gibbs be based on a real Marine sniper? 

message: Why did Pedro Hernandez murder Gibbs's family? --Boycool (talk) 16:16, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: IIRC, Shannon was a witness testifying against him.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  23:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Pedro Hernandez

message: Worht mentioning Gibbs' mottoe  "Don't apologize—it's a sign of weakness." is a lift from Marion Morrison's "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon"?  Mike Franks smack DiNozzo  23:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if you can find a reliable source that confirms it. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  You make me weak 

message: the article makes mention of a contradiction. i don't see how. 16 years in season 4 and 19 years in season 8. what's the problem? i was born in 1970. i'll be 42 in 2012,at some point. but for the first 9 months of 2012, i'm still 41.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.52.85.139 (talk) 22:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't season 8 of NCIS, it was season 8 of JAG, which occurred before NCIS aired. "Ice Queen" aired on April 22, 2003 and that's when Gibbs said it was 19 years. In "Singled Out", which aired over 3 years later on October 3, 2006, it was only 16 years. --AussieLegend (talk) 03:28, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: time at NCIS

message: Some got this RIGHT (correct) !!! I see so many other places it is probably wrong. Correct in that 3 ribbons across to a row, and with top row only 2 across properly centered. On one I tried to set it properly and did not succeed. In many cases the error is 4 ribbons awards across on a row. Praise and admiration to the editor responsible Wfoj3 (talk) 01:43, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards and Citation Section  

message: Just because a few unqualified journalists have failed to discern that Gibb's has PTSD, doesn't mean that it should be removed. The OR policy in this regard is a clear Encyclopedic failure. Any good psychologist knows that he has all the symptoms of PTSD... and I find it relevant to include it. You don't really need citations for something that *should* be common knowledge. --JT2958 (talk) 11:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The very beginning of Wikipedia:Verifiability is  What you added is classic original research and is not permitted. That's not a "clear Encyclopedic failure". It's specifically meant to stop editors adding their own opinions to articles. --AussieLegend (✉) 12:16, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  PTSD 

message: This article is embarrassing when it says he was born May 2, 1954 and then he joined the Marine Corps in 1976 at age 18  The character would have become 22 on May 2, 1976. If he joined the Marines in 1976 he was 21 or 22. I propose to edit the section to state that he joined the Marines at "21 or 22." Maybe the scripting intent is to make him too late to have served in Vietnam. Lots of men born in 1952 served in the Vietnam conflict. If there is no consensus to change his birth date, then the 18 year old claim has to go. Edison (talk) 04:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a work of fiction and fiction doesn't have to follow the rules of the real world. What you're concerned about is just a continuity issue and these are in every work of fiction. The birthdate and the age are both sourced from the episodes so we can't just change them. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:56, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed math

message: In the episode “Heartland”, Gibbs states that he joined the corp in 1976. The flashbacks show the town decorated for the Bi-Centennial 2601:347:4100:4CB0:51D3:127B:1753:37BB (talk) 02:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  When Gibbs joined the service