Talk:Adnan Sami

message: * Info box needed
* The biography section of the article needs some "fleshing out"
* A discography would be useful
Please, do NOT reinsert "fan" material. You can see my HTML comments within the page that mark it as such.
--Otheus 23:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article cleanup needed 

message: As an ex-contributor to wikipedia i would like to request to edit the discussion page properly, because it is very hard to tell who is saying what. And as far as the matter of his nationality is concerned, leave it. Lets call him South-Asian musician born in Pakistan and based in India. < Anything wrong with this ?????
::Yes. See the discussion in the previous section. Otheus 14:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "This article is part of WikiProject Pakistan which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Pakistan and Pakistan-related topics. "
So how is that this a Pakistan related topic ? 
* He was born in neither in Pakistan nor in India, but England. 
* His Father is Pakistani but Mother is Indian, 
* He have learnt classical music from both Indian and Pakistani people.
* He is based in Mumbai, and caters to mostly if not only, Indian Music and Film Industry.'''
* Yet this article is Pakistan related content.
So i will go ahead and make things right about this article. Any objections should be put forward in here and should be discussed in mature manner.
--220.227.141.28 10:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Good work, Anmol. Thanks for your help and corrections to the article. For readability reasonsn, I reformatted your comments above. Otheus 14:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article corrections

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message: As discussed above:
:* An info box is required (use  template).
:* A photograph with the correct copyright is required.
:* The article needs rewriting in a more encyclopaedic tone.
:* Citations required.
:* Extensive discography required in form of table. Including playback songs by the singer. 
:* The awards section could possibly be enhanced with a table with the awards Sami as received, which could be ordered with respect to time.
:* Issues regarding Adnan Sami's nationality, if they still arise should be resolved using a vote. As of now, I believe since he has not been given Indian nationality, and was born in Pakistan, he should be classed as a Pakistan as he is already recognised as by Indians too.
:* It is plausible to add WP India banner to the article, however, the article should remain a shared domain under WP Pakistan, India and Biographies.
:* History about the artist; before he moved to India, should be included in the article, for example, his contribution in Pakistani cinema and music industry.
I have classed the article as start class from a WP Pakistan stance as it only gives very little information about the artist. In order to improve the article, an example can be taken from the page on Noor Jehan, which is a good lay out in my opinion and will also help standardise content related to WP Pakistan. 
I hope this was helpful. Keep up to good work! SholeemGriffin (talk) 22:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: Too many 1 line paras,  tags for class B, so demoted to class C. Also this article contradicts itself: using "British-born" and "Pakistan-born" alternatively, a person can not be born in two countries.--Redtigerxyz  Talk  16:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP India assessment 

message: Did Adnan Sami has Eid song?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faridelhan (talk • contribs) 14:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Adnan Sami has Eid song? 

message: Since Adnan Sami lost his weight, he was in news for some time about that, and even before that, he was characterized by his obesity. Thus, I suggest that the information about his obesity, and the exemplary weight loss that followed, should be shifted to a new section.
Abhinavdhere (talk) 13:48, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section: "Exemplary weight loss" should be created 

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message: In these edits I've tried to fix some apparent flubbed copypaste edits and replace the flubs with s. It looks like someone copied and pasted from a rendered article instead of copying and pasting wikitext in order to preserve Refs. For example, "the Santoor maestro in India.[15]" might have come from this earlier version of this article or a version fairly soon after that version. Somebody needs to go clean up the mess. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:17, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flubbed copypastes 

message: Here, i will address what are the problems with the edits you are making. First of all, you are focusing on removing any reference to his past association with Pakistan. You are removing information about his father serving in Pakistan Airforce. This is called POV pushing when someone belonging to India comes to an article and starts removing whatever good they find about Pakistan. Now let's come to the edits and specific points about them:
1. Lead section should start with fuller form of his name which is "Adnan Sami Khan", please see WP:LEADSENTENCE for more information, here i will quote it for you: "While a commonly recognisable form of name will be used as the title of biographical articles, fuller forms of name may be used in the introduction to the lead. For instance, in the article Paul McCartney, the text of the lead begins: "Sir James Paul McCartney ..."."
2. You are removing the reference to his "Pakistani origin" and replacing it with "After living in India for sixteen years..." yes, he lived in India for sixteen years but that does not tell the reader that he has a Pakistani origin and he lived in Pakistan as well. Chicago Tribune source later in the article does mention his Pakistani origin so you are removing properly sourced information and replacing it with your POV version.
3. Next, you are replacing "Pakistani and Indian ancestry" with "Afghan and Indian ancestry", not sure what's your logic behind it if not an anti-Pakistan POV pushing while India Times source does attest to his Pakistani ancestry.
4. Then, you are removing information about his father working in Pakistan Airforce alongside the source, how do you explain that?
5. Where are you getting 1969 as his birthday year while most websites online claim it is 1973 and Deccan Chronicle article says he celebrated his 42nd birthday in 2015 which makes it 1973?
Lastly, i will request you to revert yourself and seek consensus here. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:54, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
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message: The source says "My father was originally from Afghanistan and moved to Peshawar. My father served as Pakistan's ambassador to 14 countries".
Nobody can become another country's ambassador before becoming its citizen. That's a given. There is a source also saying that his father served in Pakistan Airforce? Do you think Pakistanis were crazy to induct a non-citizen in their airforce. Did you ever see something like this happening before? Even if he served one year as ambassador to each of those 14 countries, it makes a total of 14 years. Do you think he was non-citizen for that many years but served Pakistan? Was his father crazy or Pakistan? Be reasonable dude! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 09:03, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
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message: The lead here is a bit of a magnet for insertions proclaiming him to be "an Indian singer", "a Pakistani singer", or occasionally "a British singer". I consistently remove these and I thought I'd better write about it here. His nationality is a complex subject, since he was born in Britain to one Indian and one Pakistani parent, grew up and was educated to degree level in Britain, and has lived in and been a citizen of both India and Pakistan (and presumably is or was also a UK citizen).
This is a suitable subject to describe at length in the body of the article. It is not remotely sensible to try and summarise it with one word in the lead, and none of the three candidate words even attempts to do so. Pinkbeast (talk) 16:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: He is a naturalized citizen of India at present, as sourced in the personal life section. That should be reflected in the lead sentence. Source: Article published just 44 minutes ago from time of me writing this. If he changes his citizenship at some point later, the same should be updated with a reliable source. DeluxeVegan (talk) 13:36, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of where his father was born (as mentioned in the news article cited above by DeluxeVegan) or his current citizenship, the history of Adnan Sami's nationality is clearly a complex story involving multiple countries, as described in the article's "Early life and education" section. The lead sentence is simply supposed to be a clear, quick summary of the subject's most notable aspects (in this case, his music career).  I agree with Pinkbeast that there is no way to adequately or accurately summarize the subject of this person's nationality in one word, and that attempts to label him as solely "Indian" or "Pakistani" or "British" misleadingly omit other, equally significant parts of the story. In cases like this, it would be most appropriate to save the synopsis of his nationality for where there's room for accuracy and completeness, in the body of the article. AtticusX (talk) 20:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg to differ. The lead sentence should identify the subject's nationality per MOS:ETHNICITY: "In most modern-day cases this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident... Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability". This is exactly the case here. I see no reason to make an exception for Sami simply because he has held different nationalities at different points of time. DeluxeVegan (talk) 22:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality in lead 

message: Adnan Sami's birthplace is mentioned as London while at some places it is Lahore and is mentioned as "Lahore-born".   I wanted to change but thought first it should be discussed.  uSaamo 12:56, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies, I saw the article come up on Special:PendingChanges and there was this edit awaiting approval. When I began checking the rest of the article and the references to see if the pending edit was correct, I found that the sources listed for being born in London didn't support such, and multiple other sources supported him being born in Pakistan, with one specifying Lahore, so I updated the article to match the sources. I didn't realize a conversation had begun here about it, and wasn't trying to preempt a discussion.That said, I see above that 12 years ago, several editors claimed there were sources for being born in London but I don't see any links to actual sources in the discussion to support London. This many years later, we'd need a seriously reliable source for POB London as second-tier and third-tier websites are likely to have gotten their info from Wikipedia. Schazjmd (talk) 19:19, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adnan Sami's birthplace 

message: I removed a ref used to support that he was born in London, however the book calls him "Pakistani-born" and makes no mention of London. The other sentence the ref was used for had no connection to any text in the book either. Leaving the ref here in case anyone wants to use it for anything else: Kamini Mathai A.R. Rahman: The Musical Storm, 2009, Penguin Books India, isbn 9780670083718, page 91. Schazjmd (talk) 18:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed ref 

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message: Kannada song 117.193.109.62 (talk) 06:37, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
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