Talk:Dropping out

message: "Dropping out is what 40% of people in school do these days. They may do this because they don't like school, they have drug problems or they have a career opportunity."     Removed until a source is given.  I dunno about you guys, but my school doesn't have 1,080 students dropping out. Ahanix1989
: I think the statistic is more accurate for high schools in the inner city, like in New York, and it is probably not that high.  I read about a high dropout rate in New York schools compared to other schools. (Mad Gouki 04:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The percentages of high school drop-outs can be determined accurately, as the number of twelve year olds in a population is known, as is the number of high school graduates.  A hard to determine variable is the number that may enter and quit 'home-schooling,' vocational training, apprenticeships, and/or employment.   A rarely mentioned factor that is present in very high percentages of the drop-out population is the single-parent family during the high school years.  Very few studies have been done, but countless observations point to single parenting, when it includes less than both of a student's biological parents making a home for the student, year after year, as far more likely to lead to various social difficulties.  Poverty, which presents many social obstacles, is far more likely when only one parent paycheck is possible.  Early pregnancy is far more likely when a teen girl's biological father is not present in the home.  A host of additional difficulties are far less likely when both biological parents are  present.  When attempting to discuss these matters, some assume that mentioning these obvious facts condemns single parents as inept or incompetent.  This is hardly the case as some single parent outcomes are very positive.  However, it is difficult to argue that fewer resources would be an ideal for children--and his/her biological parents are a most important resource for rearing children--and maintaining a higher standard for educational attainment.Homebuilding (talk) 13:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  40% 

message: I'm planning to basically start from scratch on this page-adding sections on how dropout rates differ across socioeconomic levels, how it limits future job opportunities, increase risk of increased poverty, etc. Anyone willing to help, please let me know on my talk page. It would be especially appreciated if users from countries other than the U.S. would be willing to contribute to this article; otherwise it runs the risk of being highly USA-centric.LeeRamsey (talk) 03:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is new text: I think that expanding the scope of this article by including the aforementioned information is a wonderful idea. At the moment, the article does not present very much relevant information. Describing in more detail dropping out from high school as well as the typical implications of that will increase the article's relevance. Another thing to discuss could be the motivation behind dropping out of high school. 
Alison.moscoso (talk) 21:40, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Appropriate for such a Major Issue

message: I removed someone who didn't take his doctorate from "Dropping Out." An editor, either not understanding, or whatever, reverted it. No one in the world would recognize the term "dropping out" as pertaining to a person beyond undergraduate degree. Will someone else delete it. It clearly doesn't belong in the article. Student7 (talk) 23:44, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I explained the revert clearly in my edit summary. The doctoral section is not for individuals who "did not take his doctorate", it is for individuals who enter a doctoral program and then drop out prior to completing their degree. If you disagree, which you obviously do (not only with this particular issue, but the other issue with you wanting to split the article as discussed above) I can't understand why you don't just follow the regular guidelines for dispute resolution; that is request a third opinion or start a request for comment? --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 00:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Expanding the definition to include the dropping out from a degree higher than most people have studied for, is errant nonsense. It is WP:OR. There is no scholarly basis for asserting this. Student7 (talk) 12:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, you are presenting your opinion. And again, you are welcome to follow the disputer resolution process in order to garner additional input. What should not be done is the removal of long-standing and well-sourced content without consensus to do so. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 14:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The information has been restored. You argument boils down to "I don't like it" which is not a valid argument for the removal of reliably sourced content from an article. I have pointed you to WP:3O and the relevant links to follow for dispute resolution. You cannot simply blank reliably sourced, long-standing sections of an article simply because you personally do not agree with the content without first gaining WP:CONSENSUS to do so.--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 01:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Concluding that anything except leaving high school is "dropping out" is WP:OR. Inserting any other claim here serves no useful purpose. It is disruptive IMO. Student7 (talk) 12:32, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is solely your personal opinion. The definition of drop-out, chosen from a completely random list of online definitions, is "a person who has abandoned a course of study", "a student who withdraws before completing a course of instruction", "to not do something that you were going to do, or to stop doing something before you have completely finished", "If a student drops out, they stop going to classes before they have finished their course." No dictionary definition says this applies to high school students only. The content has been in the article for two years, and is fully and reliably sourced - your continued blanking of it based on your personal and unsubstantiated opinion without first gaining consensus, and your refusal to pursue dispute resolution in order to gain consensus is disruptive. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 13:42, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Thank you TransporterMan for your well-thought-out and thorough analysis. Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 01:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Doctorate

message: This article is overall well written. I'm now using it as a main source as I'm creating this page in another language, but there's a big issue. The majority of the people who don't have a linked source next to their names, are apparently not even dropouts. I've done a little research, but wasn't able to find information that confirmed this claim for many of them. [Update: The issue was fixed on December 2013]. Shalom11111 (talk) 08:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect & Uncourced People 

message: Sounds like me Lin Rongxiang 14:55, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscellaneous 

message: The UK section is mostly about university.Probably because people aren't allow to drop out of school. It is a legal requirement in the UK that children are sent to school. [there's a loophole for home schoolers]This should be moved to "Dropouts (education)"QuentinUK (talk) 07:55, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK 

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