Talk:George Tenet

message: his parents were from North-epirus this is nowadays Albania but to these days part of the Ottoman Empire - His family is entirely is of Greek origin - never Albanian Citizens - Albania  exists from 1912 because   Greece and Serbia defeated the turkish ottoman troops in the Macedonian Wars of 1912 so that the Turks withdraw from the Balkan penninsula with exception of the surrounding area of former Constantinople, which is still nowadays  under turkish control. Albania which never proclaimed independence from Turkey or the Ottoman Empire got its own independency in 1912 under British and Greek supervision, the last which took their troops from South-Albania or North-Epirus thus giving Albania this territory without fight or war. In this territory lived and still lives a great greek minority since the ancient times. As said Albania exists since 1912 due to a agreement between Greece and the United Kingdom, with the idea to weaken influence of Turkey on the Balkanies. Citizenships in the fully underdeveloped and rural Albania were given at least after the second world war in the early 1950s. So the family of Tenet were never Albanian citizens - he himself declares as a Greek (Interwiew with Tenet) - but immigrated to the USA over Greece as Greeks. --YUGO (talk) 22:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Tenet is Greek and not Albanian'''

message: : Please sign your posts! Back to topic: according to this article from the Washington Post Tenet's mother was "an ethnic Greek, escaped from Albania during World War II." And in a PBS NewsHour interview, Tenet says his father came from Greece. Case closed, unless someone can provide definitive information that his father was from Albania. I will make edits and attribute accordingly. Alcarillo 15:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Found several more sources (inteviews and speeches) where Tenet says that his father came from Greece. Alcarillo 16:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Case closed 

message: As George Tenet defines himself as Greek-American he is Greek and not Albanian. There are also many Greeks in the USA who are from Turkey but they define themselves as Greeks, because there are big differences between the two nations. Many of the Turkish Greeks came to Greece. Are they Turks? We in Europe would never say they are Turks. In Germany, where I live, we know George Tenet as Greek-American. He is a member of of the Greek-American Church and the Greek-American Community. His wife is of Greek descent. That are enough proofs for his origin. A discussion is not necessary.
===Agreed, and let's move one, shall we>===
And I'm not usually one for an 'he belongs to this or that ethnic group' shouting match that is typical of articles pertaining to people with ancestry from southeastern Europe (I'd even say "the Balkans" but even that sets a certain type of people off...) Anyway, I identify Tenet as Greek-American in the article because that's exactly what he is. Alcarillo 21:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Tenet is Greek 

message: And I'm not usually one for an 'he belongs to this or that ethnic group' shouting match that is typical of articles pertaining to people with ancestry from southeastern Europe (I'd even say "the Balkans" but even that sets a certain type of people off...) Anyway, I identify Tenet as Greek-American in the article because that's exactly what he is. Alcarillo 21:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Agreed, and let's move one, shall we>

message: Mr. Tenet has confirmed his Greek origin.
I know this is old and the case has been closed but here is some interesting information.  Firstly, I want to inform you that your decision was an accurate one.  Mr. George has confirmed during the end of a 60 Minute interview on CBS with Harry Smith.  In his own words, Mr. Tenet said, "I am Greek"  link title.  Additionally, he has a twin brother Dr. Tenet, one of the best Cardiologists in USA.  If anyone has any information as to create an article for Dr. Tenet.   --Afelis 21:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headline text 

message: "With over 8900 known munitions caches in Iraq"
If they're undiscovered, how can we know how many there are? This article is biased.
:Read more carefully: "With over 8900 known munitions caches in Iraq, the possibility remains that WMDs may lie undiscovered." The caches are full of conventional weapons. Some of these munitions sites are huge. Krupo 14:09, Jun 5, 2004 (UTC)
"However, field reports have claimed the use of mustard gas and sarin against coalition forces since the end of major combat operations."
:Are there any references for this? I don't recall having seen any such reports. More generally, perhaps this whole paragraph about WMDs in Iraq is either out of place in Tenet's bio page or needs improvement. I'm willing to have a go. --FrankP 09:52, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  WMDs in Iraq 

message: Given that this article deals with political issues, it can easily be tainted with POV if we are not carefull.  We really need to verify some of this stuff, especially the WMD comments. --Alister 02:52, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In the two years since the above comment was made I believe the article has been sufficiently edited for POV. I think the nPOV tag can be removed.  Alcarillo 21:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs verification 

message: : In the two years since the above comment was made I believe the article has been sufficiently edited for POV. I think the nPOV tag can be removed.  Alcarillo 21:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove NPOV tag?

message: I have revised the WMD mentions, no response to my post (above) to justify the "mustard gas and sarin" claim so I took it out. This whole episode is important to get right, as it is critical to Tenet's resignation, of course, and also part of the larger question of the legality of the Iraq invasion. Any other references anyone can come up with? I'd welcome further discussion. I agree with Alister, we need references. --FrankP 19:36, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revised the WMD paragraphs 

message: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml
This is very interesting, not only in context of the Administration but with regards to Mr Tenet. Should it be added?
"Tenet wanted to quit last year but the President got his back up and wouldn't hear of it," says an aide. "That would have been the opportune time to make a change, not in the middle of an election campaign but when the director challenged the President during the meeting Wednesday, the President cut him off by saying 'that's it George. I cannot abide disloyalty. I want your resignation and I want it now."
Tenet was allowed to resign "voluntarily" and Bush informed his shocked staff of the decision Thursday morning. One aide says the President actually described the decision as "God's will."
=== Article redacted by author ===
: Again please sign your posts. I checked out this link and the article has been pulled for reasons that the information was unverifiable. Alcarillo 16:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resignation 

message: : Again please sign your posts. I checked out this link and the article has been pulled for reasons that the information was unverifiable. Alcarillo 16:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article redacted by author 

message: NEW YORK, Dec 20 (Reuters) - Identity firm Viisage Technology Inc. on Tuesday said it confirmed Robert LaPenta as the chairman of its board and named former director of the Central Intelligence Agency George Tenet to its board. 
Rueters link: http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh91590_2005-12-20_16-24-49_wen6622_newsml
: link no longer available, however I found this one. I'm all for mentioning this in the article if it's presented in a non-POV way. But since the above poster didn't sign their name, I'll leave it for someone else to add this info about Tenet's link to Viisage. Alcarillo 16:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Tenent joins the Board of Viisage (Nasdaq: VISGD and VISG) 

message: An RfC has been opened here.-- User:RyanFreisling @ 22:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC opened for Mr j galt

message: What's up with the person who keeps making George an "Ablanian"?  I know the guy personally, his niece is married to my cousin and my younger niece is good friends with Kristi Lauren Glakas, niece of Stephanie(George's wife), I can vouche on a personal note that George has never-ever considered himself "Ablanian", not in public and never in private with his family and close friends.  Infact he talks openly about how is mother, Evangelia, managed to escape Northern Epirus.  His said many times his an American, Greek-American, an Epiroti and "the son of Greek immigrants".  Tenet has refered to the Himara area as Northern Epirus,  and has always lobbied for Greek-Americans. Before his appointment as CIA Director he served as the chief lobbyist for worked for the AHI, American Hellenic Institute, the largest Greek-American ethnic lobby"; lobbying the US Congress on Greek issues during his tenure on the Senate Intelligence Committee.
And before anyone says that his "Albanian" on his mother's side, they better read what George said in his own words.  
Vorioipirotes understand Cypriots, believe me, they understand pain and suffering". 
First off, in the article above Tenet is talking about the occupied Greek Cypriot issue comparing it to Vorioipirotes.  Vorioipirotes is the Greek term for Epirotis from Northern Epirus, that's the term used by Greeks when they talk about Southern Albanian, i.e. an "occupied" area in their view.  George would not be refering to Southern Albania as "Vorioipiros" if he was "Albanian".  Another quote from Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient George John Tenet; Director of Central Intelligence Agency:
When President Clinton honored me with his nomination to be Director of Central Intelligence, a New York newspaper interviewed my Greek mother, who barely speaks English. Unfortunately, she could not be with us today. But one of her answers was remarkably eloquent when it came to the opportunities we have here. She, in broken English, said something like: "One son a cardiologist…the other Director of CIA…not bad, huh?" And what was unspoken was: It could only happen in the United States of America.
To George his family originates from Northern Epirus not Albania. Further down he says his mother escaped "Southern Albanian", the only ones escaping "Souther Albanian"/Northern Epirus at that time were the Greek Epirotes who lived there.  Albanians were escaping TO "Southern Albanian" not from it like Tenets mom. ~Mallaccaos, 13 March 2006
:This issue has been resolved. See the article. Alcarillo 16:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albanian? 

message: Regarding information about Tenet's position at the American Hellenic Institute, I felt that the original source, taken from a message forum was inadequate. I was able to verify this information from what I believe to be a more credible source. Alcarillo 15:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verification of early career 

message: I believe there are sufficient sources for the content of the article as it stands, which is why I removed it. Comments? Alcarillo 14:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed verify tag 

message: Just because the Director of the CIA says something is a slam dunk, is that supposed to be justification for deploying combat troops overseas. No, I don't think so. Only if you're looking for an excuse to do it. It might be considered evidence by Dick Cheney. Can the phrase something is a "slam dunk" even stand up in a court of law? --Jagz 02:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slam dunk 

message: I don't understand how an article on Tenet can fail to include the terms "black site," "torture," "interrogation," etc. Tenet was head of the CIA when the CIA became an organization that does these things, and the Wikipedia article on him should say so. See The New Yorker issue of August 13, 2007 for more.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Priceyeah (talk • contribs). 
See also in main article the video of the 60 minutes interview with Tenet, where he repeatedly asserts the USA does not torture people, a nice asertion, but proven an entire lie by the recent wide spread torture by the CIA set up by Tenet.
And in that interview you quickly see a rabid person, quickly antagonistic and hyper, and  also
with very weak judgment...from what he did.
This rhymes with the fact that Tenet was close pals with Arafat and would spend hours closeted with him
... perhaps understood on reflection.
/s/Blackwater/BlackOcean-GreyTreadstone,cinc  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.58.178.135 (talk) 09:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Sites 

message: I have added a subsection about use of torture.  The issue is one of fact:  water boarding is seen as torture by a general consensus throughout the world, and the CIA used it against some specific persons under Tenet's directorship period. Please discuss if you have problems with this edit. I realize it may be felt as controversial.  Fremte (talk) 18:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Torture

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:GeorgeTenetBook.jpg

message: Someone included remarks in this article from Patrick Tyler's book as mentioned on Jeffrey Goldberg's blog at The Atlantic. I undid the edit because the comments are substantially disputed within the blog and the edit was severely unfair to a living person and utterly unsubstantiated. The book and/or blog could be included in the See also section, but these ugly allegations don't really seem encyclopedic. People should read Tyler's book if they want sensational commentary. --Pat (talk) 01:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patrick Tyler book 

message: More than 20,000 of these have been awarded since the end of WWII (almost one a day), according to the medal's Wiki entry. Did the award merit TV or newspaper reportage at the time? I suggest merging this section with the preceding 'resignation' section or with the section on his post-CIA career. Please comment pro/anti with reasoning in an effort to achieve consensus.Dduff442 (talk) 04:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of Medal of Freedom award? 

message: The Palestenian authority appears to have approved exhuming Arafat's body to see if he died of poisoning by radioactive substance;  Arafat's 'handler' was reputedly to be George Tenet himself
who visited with Arafat during this time frame.  Q.v. / Arafat Exhumation ... Agamemnon Rod~~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.56.245 (talk) 05:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Arafat Body to Be Exhumed

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message: William Tenet, George’s fratetnal twin should not be listed as an older brother
 George Tenet was never sloppy 
 Both brothers were always dressed in a collegiate way 
Well dressed with excellent hygiene never inappropriate in looks or speech
 Respectful of acquaintances friends teachers religious associates  and females 
 Very respectable young men
Were churchgoers to Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church in flushing
Both played  basketball competitively
They both played very well
 George was well spoken and expressed himself with passion 
 
  Not a timid person but not pushy or obnoxious though certainly had the intellect athleticism and success that could have breed that personality 
 Both brothers showed leadership and intellect from a young age and were admired by their peers and adults who knew them
They excelled in school
Had the opportunity to skip a grade in High School but chose not to
They enjoyed themselves and laughed a lot too
Good people
George is short in stature his brother tall Notyouryiayia (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info 

message: As part of the context of his Greek origin I can't understand why this is not necessary [].Alexikoua (talk) 19:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see a reason why the birthplace of his father and mother should be removed. Since they were Greek the necessary context should be used. The fact the Epirus or Northern Epirus are not independent states (?) isn't an argument for removal.Alexikoua (talk) 15:31, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin