Talk:Ballade No. 4 (Chopin)

message: I have deleted most of the article because it is subjective. Sorry, but you can't make claims about "poetic" depth or artistic consensus without citing well-known critics or artists. Even technical difficulty falls into this category. Please view the guidelines for classical music articles.
I'll start this article off by adding a little history. --Birdman1 talk/contribs 13:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rampant subjectivity

message: What odd description of "Form" (against "Structure") allows one to so distinguish them that "Form" becomes the time signature of the opening bar of the work, and the structure becomes the moment-by-moment happenings in it? ... No. Will see if I can do better, of course, but in my considered opinion- no. Schissel | Sound the Note! 16:03, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Form?

message: The excerpt of the first few measures is incorrect.  The second note in the L.H. is E natural, not E-flat.  This isn't one of the disputed typos common to editions of the ballades, it's just plain wrong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.212.177 (talk) 22:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Excerpt on Page

message: This link, "How to play Chopin", is bad. Anybody who added it, know if there's a mirror? Sounds interesting.thedarkestclear Talk 10:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, found it at http://chopinfound.brinkster.net/Atimo_s/news/SmendziankaPartV.pdf thedarkestclear Talk 10:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  http://www.chopin.org/index.php?page=HowToPlayChopin5 

message: I've posted this on the talk pages of the other three ballades as well. Since information on the four ballades is scarce, at best, there is hardly enough to create one article for each. I think it might be better for them to be all consolidated into one article, which would be much more substantial.
Thoughts? Wizard of Yendor (talk) 21:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  They're mostly recorded as a set, and more often than not played as a set at concerts, although there are exceptions, of course.  Merge.  --  JackofOz (talk) 22:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support the merge as well. —La Pianista (T•C) 06:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this discussion seems to be *cough* a little old, I'll go ahead and get started on the merger. Insorak (talk) 03:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Merger is finished. Ballades (Chopin). Insorak ♫ talk 18:38, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 4 Ballades into one page 

message: The four ballades were once again split on December 17, 2020 after discussion here. intforce (talk) 14:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: The question is: "Should the old images (on the left) be replaced with the updated versions (on the right)?"
Old image (unclear source)	New engraving (adapted from the Polish National Edition)
Old image (Klindworth)    	New engraving (adapted from the Polish National Edition)
* Support, the new images are higher in quality (SVG) and reliably sourced. intforce (talk) 23:50, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also point out that the copyright issues continue; they apply only to the files on Commons, not here. Note also that User:Intforce has also made edits on fr.wikipedia.org, de.wikipedia.org, it.wikipedia.org, zh.wikipedia.org, pl.wikipedia.org, ja.wikipedia.org, da.wikipedia.org, pt.wikipedia.org, fry.wikipedia.org and ca.wikipedia.org. No changes to es.wikipedia.org so far. Yawn. Mathsci (talk) 08:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  
Replacing old score excerpts in the article
 Future use of musical excerpts for Ballade No. 4