Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Archive post draft 6

message: Today, I have looked through each draft on a 800x600 monitor to see how they hold up.  I have posted screenshots of each, for comparison. User:Kmf164/Drafts
* The portal links, text size in Draft C work well.
* The smaller (fewer links) in the browsebar, aligned top-right work well.
* The search box header works fine, also.
--Aude (talk | contribs) 18:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drafts viewed on 800x600 resolution monitor 

message: For comparison with the 800x600 comparison above. →AzaToth 19:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft viewed on 1600x1200 resolution monitor 

message: Why use boxes within boxes for the titles ("Today's featured article", et al.) instead of handling it like drafts A and B did?  Ral315 (talk) 21:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The current style proved considerably more popular in the straw poll.  —David Levy 21:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. A lot more votes went to drafts using the floating box heading style. --Go for it! 22:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

text: That doesn't neccessarily mean that people liked those boxes the best.  Personally, I think they are the worst.  We need to have a straw poll on box styles. Kevin Baastalk 23:53, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of counting votes, please read the actual comments.  Numerous people singled out this element as a favorite.  I personally preferred a different style, but the consensus is clear.  —David Levy 00:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re. current draft 

message: Does anyone know how to force the Show/Hide button in the languages section to stay with the text it needs to be next to. At the moment, particularly at higher resolution screens, it floats off to the right and can be easily missed altogether. I notice that the Show/Hide button at the top of the page is also floating, this time off to the left and (for me) ending up over the Wikipedia logo. Obviously that isn't something that needs fixing, but it does show that this button can end up in weird places. Carcharoth 22:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On Konqueror, and firefox; the show and hide buttons overlap the wikipedia logo :-( The magical Spum-dandy 23:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Show/Hide button 

message: As a reminder, we still haven't fixed the major header display bug in Internet Explorer.  (The top of the book image is cut off.)  I can think of two potential methods of eliminating this problem, but I'm not familiar enough with the coding to implement either:
1. Switch to the type of code used in the header from some of the other designs (such as draft D), but replace the portal links with the search box and magnifying glass.  (This displays properly in IE.)
or
2. Change the manner in which the book image is included to be the same as that of the magnifying glass (which displays properly in IE).
Does anyone know how to do either of these things (or an alternative solution)?  I've tried and failed.  —David Levy 23:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. I'll look into it. --Aude (talk | contribs) 23:13, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IE header display bug

message: All of the sections are arranged nicely, but the sections listed above are just kind of...there. Are there any ways to better integrate these sections, or make them look nicer? Morgan695 00:07, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my sandbox I was playing around with a style for this section. Some people, though, are against any style at all here. Their reasoning,  I think, is that this static section should feel seperate from the changing "featured" content, and a lack of color/headers etc does this. I'd try my ideas out here to see people's reactions, but I think it will probably be reverted pretty quickly since it hasn't been "approved" yet. - Trevor MacInnis (Talk | Contribs) 00:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I liked the grey header bars in one of the drafts, and the other languages and other projects should be switched around per usability, and other languages should have 100,000 and 10,000. Kevin Baastalk 00:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Grey colors would work well.  And, I agree that we should include languages above 10,000 articles. --Aude (talk | contribs) 01:09, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I can't take credit for those headings.  I think they're actually Trevor's headings.  I think they're great. Kevin Baastalk 01:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia community, Wikipedia in other languages, Wikipedia's sister projects

message: Would it be possible to get the Featured Picture and On This Day sections to line up?  With Firefox the On This Day is maybe 10 pixels higher than the Featured Picture but has extra space at the bottom.  I think they would look much nicer with the titles lined up with each other.--SirNuke 02:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lining up Featured Picture and On This Day 

message: FYI - the Show/Hide button isn't there (doesn't render) with the "Classic" skin which some of us oldtimers still use.  hydnjo talk 02:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the default skin that new users will see the page on? Is it OK in that? Carcharoth 10:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the monobook.--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 00:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Show/Hide

message: The Wikipedia:Main Page alternates page just got completed.  It contains versions of the Main Page for special needs (such as for those with cell phones or scrawny laptops), and alternate styles as well.  Some of the versions from Round 6 have already found their way there.  I've also placed a couple entirely new designs there that weren't in Round 6.
Because not everybody is going to like the Main Page, whatever it turns out to be, we should put a link on the Main Page leading to the alternates, in the hopes they will find happiness there.  Preferably the link should go in the header somewhere, so it is noticed by all.  Any objections?  --Go for it!
:What would be really neat is if there was a parameter to set what all links to the Main Page link to: more or less letting you design your own MP.--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 03:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This project seems like a good idea, but I don't think that it's far enough along to be linked from the main page just yet.  —David Levy 03:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Main Page alternate link?

message: From a pure visual interpretation perspective, I find it difficult to read the "anyone can edit" link in the uppermost box, due to its location just under the bold underline of Wikipedia. Can it be moved, or the underline of Wikipedia be made a bit less bold, so that this important point be clearer to the newbie user? Alba 05:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I am sure there was a draft that had the links in the banner not underlined (while the links in the main page were). If not, then a line or two of white space is needed, but I'm not quite sure how to do that. [...] Just looked at the round 6 drafts. It was Drafts G and L that chose not to link the word Wikipedia. So white space is needed for those who have "underlined links" options turned on. Addressing Alba's point specifically: it is probably possible for you to (somehow) personally turn on and off the options where links are underlined, though you may, of course, not want to do that. Carcharoth 09:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I adjusted the position of that line of text. Does that look better? Does it look worse for other people? Carcharoth 09:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Readability of content in uppermost box

message: Having had a look, I think that it looks much better and makes more sense for sister projects to be above the "Wikipedia in other languages" section. Apologies if this already been debated and discounted. SeanMack 09:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of Wikipedia's sister projects

message: There needs to be a line of white space in the "Did You Know" box, between "From Wikipedia's newest articles" and the following text. I tried to check the Main Page to see what it looks like there, but it is not there today (being the weekend). The other problem is that this involves the layout of one of the templates, specifically Template:Second feature (main page), and the Main Page templates are protected against editing. What can be done about this? Note also, that this might not be a problem with the template, but something wrong with this page, as when you visit the template page, there does not seem to be a lack of white space between those two lines. But we really need to see "Did You Know" when it is back on the Main Page, to see how it displays there. Carcharoth 09:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  White space in "Did You Know" box 

message: Again, picking up on what some people said in the discussions of draft 6, the browse bar contains several different types of links: stuff aimed at first-time visitors and first-time and long-term readers of Wikipedia (About, FAQs, Browse, Articles A-Z), plus stuff for first-time editors (How to edit) and more experienced editors (Help Desk). Then there is site news, which links to what is essentially a mix of community links and media links, and then the donations link. There is no "contact us" link. That is at the bottom of the page.
I propose: (1) Putting the donations link with the contact link at the bottom of the page; (2) Putting the site news link in the Community section (I think how to edit and help are enough for the browse bar - no community stuff should be in the browse bar - regular readers and editors can set their own bookmarks or have their own page - I use the Community Portal link in the sidebar anyway).
If there is really a need for a link for the general public to find out sitewide news, that should go to a better page anyway - some wikimedia press officer site or something. And it could be linked from the "sister projects section", or a "wikimedia news" link could be added next to the contact us link and the (proposed) donations link, at the bottom of the page.
My final thought is to put the reference desk link that I removed from the Community section, back into the browse bar. It goes nicely with the browse option. I'm only going to do this final option, as I want to see what people think before making what may be considered drastic changes. It would also be nice to have icons for my proposed donations link and news link at the bottom of the page, together with the nice "contact us" icon that is there already. Carcharoth 10:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the phrase "Questions" covers things fine, and is better than FAQs, and leads people onwards to the Reference Desk, so that's OK. I have now been clicking through to the "Articles A-Z" area, and quite frankly we shouldn't have such a confusing link from the main page. It should be linked from within the Browse link, so people get "Browse an index" as an option when they click on that and arrive at Portal:Browse. BTW, what is the difference between Portal:Browse and Wikipedia:Browse?? Anyway, can the A-Z link safely go from the browse bar? Carcharoth 11:07, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first is Portals the second is categories.--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 12:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the phrase "Browse" in the _browse_ bar is more easily understood than "Portals" or "Categories", and as both portals and categories are ways of browsing Wikipedia, they should both be linked from a section called Browse. In my opinion, Help:Browse or Navigate:Browse should give links to (a) Portals; (b) Categories; and (c) Index. I really hope those pages that I made up exist... Carcharoth 12:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know of a single unified page (though I like the idea) but I put in both categories and Portals into the browsebar.--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 12:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Browse bar comments 

message: The headers of the bottom three sections are now linked. The links for the first two (Community and Languages) are duplicated in the sections. The link for the Wikipedia sister projects one (that I added) is not. Firstly, is linking the headers a good idea? (I think it can look bad) Secondly, if the linking of headers is not carried through, can the link I found please be preserved. In fact, I'll put it in the section itself, so all three sections duplicate the link in the headers. Carcharoth 11:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking headers 

message: How should we make the headers on the last three sections. david Levy supports a monochromatic version of the other headers. I'm okay with that, but it can look kind of dull ("Hey! Why don't you use colors here? Some computer fluke?"). I like regular (==Text==) headers, but there's one issue. We're not supposed to have links in the headers (it's one of those rules that isn't enforced, but on the Main Page...) I'm at a loss; anyone else have an opinion or idea?--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 13:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with either the current style or ==Standard headers==.  I object to the inclusion of color, centered text or links.  —David Levy 13:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, there should be some distinction (color) between the static and the dynamic. I'm going to try for standard headers and see If I can't work in the links outside of the title.--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 13:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All three links already are present in their respective sections; they were entirely redundant.  —David Levy 13:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good because I just moved us over to the regular headers. Let's see if anyone else comments.--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 13:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, it is important for color to serve as a distinctive factor for dynamic content. - JustinWick 19:35, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister Project/Interlanguage/Community header style 

message: I've been looking at the Wikipedia:New_user_log link from the Community section. It is a nice idea, but I had the thought that, unlike all the other links, this one might not be as carefully watched for undesirable content. As the Main Page gets such a lot of traffic, especially with new users, do we want to avoid them coming across potentially strange postings in the new users log area? First impressions can be important. Similar thoughts would apply to all of the static (ie. outside the feature boxes) links from the Main Page. Also, this Wikipedia:New_user_log could be the first link someone might click on to find out about the Wikipedia community. What is the very _best_ welcoming page that exists on Wikipedia? (Friendly, well-written, well-balanced, informative). That link should go at the top of this "Main Page Community section". Carcharoth 18:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'New users log' in Community section 

message: Seeing that most of the useful links in this section are linked on the left bar anyway, I'm not sure how necessary this is. I think the Main Page should remain a browsing (rather than editing) oriented approach to Wikipedia. Those who want anything else can click "Community Portal". --Oldak Quill 03:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is exactly what I have been saying above. Renaming the section doesn't make it any less objectionable. Raul654 04:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

text: We should use this section of the main page to attract new editors, and maybe "community" isn't the best term.  I have changed the name of this section to "Participate in Wikipedia".  If you can think of something better, without using the word "community", please change the heading.  --Aude (talk | contribs) 04:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's worth exploring other ideas, such as you suggest for the community section.  --Aude (talk | contribs) 17:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Community links 

message: In the "other languages" section, should the "over 1000" language editions be hidden by default and only shown using a Show/Hide button? Hydnjo said up above that the Show/Hide button doesn't even appear in the "Classic" skin. I've been asking around, and the Show/Hide button seems to be a navigational frame javascript feature that is part of the Monobook css settings. See MediaWiki:Monobook.css. There seems to be something at the bottom of that page about "a.NavToggle", which might be the right thing. Can anyone who knows more about this: (a) Decide whether it matters that Show/Hide only appears in the (default) Monobook skin; (b) Find out from this link to the Monobook css settings whether it is possible to force the Show/Hide button to appear immediately after the "Wikipedia encyclopedia languages with over 1,000 articles" bit. Thanks. Carcharoth 11:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I seem to have found the thing that adjusts the position of the Show/Hide button. My edit summary said "Changed (div class="NavHead") width from 70% to 39% to bring Show/Hide button next to text in "over 1,000 articles" bit of "Other languages" - see talk page for further details". The relevant bit of code is: div class="NavHead" style="background:#fff;text-align:left; width: 39%". By changing the width % from 70% to 39%, I brought the Show/Hide button next to the text when it renders on my screen. Does it still look OK on other people's screen? Carcharoth 11:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure it will overlap with the text on smaller resolutions, and will not be 'right next to' the text on larger resolutions. -- Ec5618 11:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It did. I changed it back so that it is OK at 800x600. Will drift off to the right for higher resolutions. Not sure whether it is possible to fix this. Speaking of screen resolutions, has there ever been a proposal to put a "best viewed at xxx resolution" notice anywhere on the Main Page? Carcharoth 12:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Show/Hide button on "other languages" bit - more information 

message: There is a slight formatting problem when viewing with Opera 8.51. In the "Wikipedia in other languages" box there is the line "Wikipedia encyclopedia languages with over 1,000 articles [Show]", but the link causes the word "articles" to wrap to the next line and overwrite "Multilingual". Alan Pascoe 20:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting problem 

message: The proposal up there now has too many pastel boxes. The colors don't improve the page; they make it harder to read. If this is the proposal, I'd rather keep the main page we have now. Jonathunder 23:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry you're disappointed.--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 00:15, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many pastel boxes 

message: Go for it! keep putting up versions that a) IMHO, are just plain ugly, and more importantly B) use a slew of Portals. I'm not opposed to some Portals but all of them is just too much. It distorts the header (again the ugliness factor) and some of the Portals are not ver good. They are not maintained enough to warrant such high visibility. I appreciate the attempt at compromise, but please, use the show preview button and don't save "work in progress" versions. Use a sandbox, please!--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 00:29, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See me in the next header down...ugh...--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 00:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Header style (New and improved sub heading discussion!)

message: There are now several alternate main pages listed on the Main Page alternates page.  So there is now a way for users to select a different version of the Main Page based upon their specific needs and tastes.  There's one for PDA's, another for laptops, etc.  There are also different styles, some from Round 6 and some new.  Since the best place for a link to the Main Page alternates page would be on the Main Page, this looks like the best place to discuss this issue.It would be nice if we could provide a link in the draft.  It would greatly help ease the shock of those who don't like whatever design we come up with, because they would have alternates to choose from.  Some people will hate the new design no matter what it looks like.  So perhaps this is a way we can appease more of the users.  It also ensures that all major design approaches are made available after the election is over.  After the election, the Main Page alternates page could also include the current Main Page design for those who don't want to part with it.  --Go for it! 01:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The current Main Page design should _definitely_ be preserved. I would suggest placing the link to Alternate Main Pages _permananently_ in the Main Page Talk Page, not the Main Page itself. And this Alternate Main Pages link should be widely publicised _after_ this project is over. Not during the election, and only moderately publicised before the project finishes. For now, linking from the top of this draft's talk page should be enough, plus some wording for the election like "After the election, regardless of the result, a link will be placed on the Main Page talk page to a page summarising the various drafts and ideas of the redesign project. For now, this link is available in the Main Page redesign pages in the Usability project pages." Carcharoth 08:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be a little deceptive to show alternative designs afterwards to show the community how discursive the discxussion was, when those alternative designs where never seriously considered.  The point of alt. designs is to produce the best design, not to pretend that you tried. Kevin Baastalk 15:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to Main Page alternates

message: I don't know if I am doing this right, if I am commenting in the right place, or if I am even allowed to comment (since I am really just a reader and an uncyclopedian coming over here to steal your code) but I would just like to say that i think this edit without the fading blue title bars is drastically superior to this edit with them. Please feel free to delete this comment or move it to the correct place if I have erred in posting here. --Isra1337 02:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You put it in the right place, and I agree.Ashibaka tock 02:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do comment on this, or anything else regarding the design.  We value all the suggestions and inputs from readers and editors. --Aude (talk | contribs) 02:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heck we value them.  I wish everyone was following this and giving their opinion. I agree with you on that specific case; Go for it!, there's your consensus (at least enough to prove that a lurker felt strongly enough about it to comment). This is certainly the right place, and go ahead and take the code—it has happened before (*cough* Mozilla website *cough*). Say, do you have an opinion on the header style (Portal links or search bar?) .--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 02:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not have a particularly strong opinion about links vs. search, though I prefer Draft A's header to Draft B's header. --Isra1337 05:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in two minds about them.  I actually prefer the look of the fading blue bars, but the other version is more consistent with the standard look of Wikipedia articles (and there's not much point having the front page looking completely different from the rest of the site). Waggers 12:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on Bottom section 

message: I just like to say the current setup looks unprofessionnal.At least put the different portals in a menu setup and not spaced with pipes.It's like a trip back to the pre-visual browsers.If anything this is not good GUI design and definately not for the general public (I have experience in this field).Anway I wasn't able to vote due to a computer failure in the last few days,but I did now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft/Header_poll 
you can read my comments there.--Technosphere83 10:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "A trip back to the pre-visual browsers".. well put! what we need are colourful portal icons.. the pipes between links are so last century.. 131.111.8.98 13:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Portal icons (colourful or not) have been rejected by the community.  We're striving for a clean, practical interface, and most respondents agree that portal icons are a needless resource drain and waste of space.  —David Levy 14:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Thank you for your input.  The current Main Page contains the same pipes, and I don't recall encountering any complaints.  —David Levy 14:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Top categories

message: I'd prefer to see this taking up less space, and continuing the 2-column look of the top sections.  The size of the picure is fine, but I think there's too much text there.  Just the picture and a link to the article would be better, I think.  Then the "Other areas" could go in a column alongside.
Just a thought. Waggers 12:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your feedback is appreciated, but we've already covered this ground.  The prevailing sentiment is that the static content should remain separate (both in location and style) from the dynamic content.  —David Levy 14:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's worth adjusting the size of the featured picture.  The width of 275px is fine for landscape-oriented pictures, but should adjusted for pictures with portrait orientation, or in the case of today's picture, square. --Aude (talk | contribs) 15:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tweaked the size of the picture, down to 200px, as well as reduce the amount of text.  The image size and amount of text seemed out of proportion to all the other features, and overwhelming.  The actual POTD uses much less text.  --Aude (talk | contribs) 15:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this change.  —David Levy 15:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed; the size is still kind of jarring, compared to the butterfly example in the earlier drafts.--ragesoss 16:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're right there.  I just reduced the size to 165px.  The problem is the proportion of the image.  For future POTD, we need to make sure the width is adjusted to reflect the proportion (height of the image). --Aude (talk | contribs) 16:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, that's what we're shooting for.  The idea proved extremely popular in our straw poll.  —David Levy 20:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As you might notice, the template used on this draft is formatted slightly differently than :Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day/February_7%2C_2006 and :Wikipedia:POTD/February 7, 2006.  We don't want you to have to prepare three different templates each day... I see there are three variables that go into each POTD (image, caption, photo credit), which perhaps could be separated from the POTD templates?  But then, I know there's also the archive and not sure if/how the best way to manage it w/ templates? --Aude (talk | contribs) 20:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And :Wikipedia:POTD/February 7, 2006 has a title (4th variable). --Aude (talk | contribs) 20:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've developed a template (see below, source), which draws the variables from separate pages (User:Kmf164/POTD-image, User:Kmf164/POTD-title, User:Kmf164/POTD-caption, and User:Kmf164/POTD-credit), with "size" as the 5th variable.  The same four variables could easily be plugged into the other two templates.  To accommodate archiving, we might have to add the / ,  to each variable.  Do you think this solution would be helpful to you? or would it still be easier to setup three templates each day? --Aude (talk | contribs) 20:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Either way sounds workable.  Thanks for the insight on the templates you use. --Aude (talk | contribs) 22:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not fully get how you will use all of these templates, but if you d , fine by me. The title (Today's feature picture) does not have to be templated; it is a constant. We do indded have maps or diagrams sometimes, would anyone oppose "Today's featured image"? And why do we need the title and the body text separate?--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 22:23, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's much better - cutting down on the volume of text has made a great improvement.  Well done. Waggers 10:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured picture

message: I don't know what the proper tag to use now that  is deprecated by W3, but could someone make the Wikipedia and anyone can edit links blue, even when they've been clicked in the past? Looks better for a logo not to have purple :)--Urthogie 13:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: . CSS declarations would also work. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 21:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  purple links 

message: This page appears to indicate that the 2D version is a legitimate variant of the officially selected logo.  Did I misinterpret an unofficial summary?  —David Levy 02:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked over that but I dodn't see anything definative either way. I'm arguing only on the premise that it's the 3D that's on the top left of all the pages. Frankly, I don't see any reason to lose any sleep over this. The only problem with the 3D one is that it makes the others look dull. But, IMHO, that doesn't constitute reason for using a logo that, is indeed official (I can't find any reason to disprove it), but is not the prefered logo of Wikispecies.--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 03:33, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I switched to the PNG version of the logo (on the current main page too) because the JPEG version was noisy.  To play it safe, I've replaced the two-dimensional variant with its three-dimensional counterpart.  —David Levy 14:24, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not one to knitpick. The file version doesn't matter to me, as long as it is (more or less) the one that they use officially.--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 21:30, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikispecies logo

message: The featured picture certainly needs to go below the other content as it falsely gives the impression that it is the most appropriate and relevant part of the front page, as if this site is about pictures above all.  violet/riga (t) 08:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And since it takes noticable time to load, especially for people on dial-up, the loading time is made overly obvious. Users would have to wait as the 'main content' loads. -- Ec5618 09:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Picture position 

message: If you are restoring or reverting part of the page to an earlier version, please be careful to review the changes made after the version you are returning to. Otherwise you will end up throwing out other changes along with the ones that you are removing. I've now added back one change that was lost, and there may be others as well. Carcharoth 10:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please be careful when reverting 

message: The Wikipedia:Main_Page_alternates link is a good idea, but I agree with David Levy that that project is not yet far enough along to be linked from the Main Page. It is essential, as part of a "Usability" project to have links to things like that, but a clear distinction needs to be drawn between different styles (colours, boxes) and different layout (for PDAs, text browsers, blind users etc). Also, too many of the alternate pages have radically different links. People are introduced to Wikipedia in a completely different way with some of these pages - and end up on different pages. A clear lack of a unified approach. This would need to be much more carefully thought through before being implemented.
The other thought is whether you would need to protect all these pages from editing? If a lot of people are using a version that suffers from vandalism, that could be a disaster. I know the templates are protected, but the bits around it could still be vandalised. Would you protect all the versions? Would you accept new versions periodically. It sounds like a good idea, but a bit too late at this stage. I would suggest after this Main Page redesign is over, take the final version and make clear, simple changes (colour, text, number features, etc). Only A FEW CHANGES per version, and start a range of alternates that are based on the final redesign. Any other approach will make these alternates feel TOO different and this will be confusing. Carcharoth 11:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Carcharoth and I are in agreement.  This is a good idea, and it probably should be our next big project, but it's nowhere near ready to be linked from the Main Page.  —David Levy 14:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New discussion on Main Page Alternates link 

message: Can editors please provide accurate edit summaries. It is very difficult to follow the changes if the summary only mentions one of the changes made. Either mention all the changes, or make the changes in incremental steps with separate edit summaries for each step. At the very least, put "and other minor changes". Otherwise changes can easily be missed. Carcharoth 17:13, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit summaries 

message: I've just spotted an example of poorly thought out and unco-ordinated editing. The order of the "other languages" and "sister projects" area was switched round, which is fair enough as several people expressed support for that. The trouble was that someone followed this up by stripping out "Wikipedia" from the headings, so now instead of "Wikipedia in other languages", you get the header "Other languages" immediately following the sister projects section. This means that it is no longer clear to the casual reader whether this "other languages" bit is referring to the sister projects, or just to Wikipedia. The links are to other language versions of Wikipedia, so I've restored "Wikipedia" to the header of the "other languages" section. There is often a reason for the way something is worded. It sometimes pays to stop and think before changing something. Carcharoth 17:33, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This carries on into the insertion and removal of the search box, portal icons, middots, etc. I'm not saying there isn't room for change, but once a decision has been made we should adhere to it. Half the recent edits seem to be making changes which were already removed once before. -- Ec5618 18:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather then keep reverting the search box/portal links, let's discuss here the rationale for each option and work out a consensus decision.  I personally like both options, but think there are pros and cons to each that need consideration.  See discussion above (#Outstanding_issue:_portal_links_vs._second_search_box for some explanations of my concerns. --Aude (talk | contribs) 20:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unco-ordinated editing 

message: For some reason, everything below the header seems to be center (rather than aligned left). Can someone fix this please?--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 02:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed in the same change noted above.  --CannotResolveSymbol talk 03:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centered text 

message: Hey, I like this new design! :-) (The one with the search bar and browse bar combined and placed below the header containing the taglines and the portal links). Only one minor point: the colour of the bit below the header seems to fade somewhat, but that is just a personal stylistic thing. Also, has anyone checked this header at different screen resolutions to see what happens? Carcharoth 09:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New header design 

message: Only two very minor comments about stuff I'm not quite sure how to implement, so if someone else could do the editing that would be great:
1) Add borders to either side of the combined browse bar/search box bit below the header. This is the "fade-out" things I was referring to above. I realised it isn't a colour issue, but is a borders issue.
2) In the "Wikipedia languages" section would it be best for the "over x articles" bits to be aligned left as on the current main page?
Hope someone can try out these suggestions. Carcharoth 11:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two minor comments 

message: starting Feb 19th
==Too late?==
The navigation section has:
* Arts
* Biography
* Geography
* History
* Mathematics
* Science
* Society
* Technology
* All portals
Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I find it very strange and unequal. It suggests that mathematics, history and geography are not regarded as science. TeunSpaans 17:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
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thread_title: Bug fixing session

message: The navigation section has:
* Arts
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* History
* Mathematics
* Science
* Society
* Technology
* All portals
Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I find it very strange and unequal. It suggests that mathematics, history and geography are not regarded as science. TeunSpaans 17:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Too late?

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 D.png

message: :Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 C.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 01:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 C.png

message: :Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 B.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 01:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 B.png

message: :Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 A.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 01:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 A.png

message: :Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 A.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 03:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 A.png