Talk:WWE Undisputed Championship

message: liveaudiowrestling.com is the site which in 2002 hosted the Dave Meltzer-owned wrestlingobserver.com domain.  It promotes a Canadian wrestling radio show, Live Audio Wrestling, which has been on the air for nearly 10 years now  and which Dave Meltzer has had a regular guest segment on for over 6 years.  It airs every Sunday evening, and has since 1998.
On the Sunday of May 5, 2002, there was a Live Audio Wrestling radio programme, and the WWF-WWE change was discussed in detail. 
Here is the Google cache of the show preview for May 5, 2002: 
``as teased above we`ll have the scoop about The World Wrestling Federation changing their name to World Wrestling Entertainment effective immediately.``
Jeff Marek has edited a book with Dave Meltzer (Top 100 Pro Wrestlers of All Time), has appeared on the TSN programme Off the Record with WWF wrestlers and management and acted as the main pro-wrestling consultant for the show.  He is in general a very well-respected Canadian wrestling journalist.
:That's nice, except that the press release issued by WWE was dated the 6th. - Chadbryant 21:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWF-WWE Date Source: Jeff Marek, Live Audio Wrestling 

message: WWE registered the domain names wwejudgmentday.com, wwewrestlemania.com, etc. on April 25, 2002.
Jim Ross first mentioned WWE in the May 3 Ross Report.
The official WWF Chat began using the WWE logo on May 4.  
It was filed as an official Trademark with the Government on May 7.
72.36.232.82 23:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWF to WWE change 

message: I also made a personal email contact and got an email back regarding the WWF->WWE transition. In order to verify I am not lying, the headers follow:
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It's May 5, 2002.  Officially.
Thank you for your email.
72.36.250.130 18:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting information 

message: I was looking for a date for when the company changed from WWWF to WWF and I remembered about the non-mark title history archive site that Chadbryant used as a reference at the top of this page. While finding the date for that, I noticed something about the date WWF changed to WWE. It turns out that the non-marks now believe that the company changed names on May 5. See http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwf/ tv316 14:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And according to WWE, they changed on 6 May. End of discussion. - Chadbryant 17:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like Chad's precariously stacked deck of cards is about to come crashing down.  Chad's sources have even turned against him.  As WWE have a proven track record of dishonesty, can their word be trusted against that of multiple independent sources? --Sasaki 02:17, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New development 

message: *Object. The Undisputed Championship is not the same title as the WWE Championship - the belt itself is different, the Undisputed Championship was defended across brands, and the lineage differs as the Undisputed Championship did not come into creation until December 2001. McPhail 23:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: The article lists the number of Undipsuted and WWF/E title reigns for each Undisputed Champion at the time of their reign, but shouldn't it also list WCW title reigns, as that was the other half of the championship? Jeff Silvers 00:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the Undisputed title is just another name for the WWE title. It doesn't share lineage with the WCW title.  ---SilentRAGE! 22:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This probably isn't the proper place to get into the debate about the WCW/World Heavyweight Championship lineage dispute, but yeah, thanks for agreeing.  This isn't so much about whether SmackDown!'s title is the same as WCW's, but whether the WCW title was officially part of the Undisputed Championship--which it was. Jeff Silvers 12:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WCW reigns 

message: This appeared and was reverted:
:After a British court ruled that the WWF had violated an agreement with the World Wildlife Fund, the company was ordered to remove all "WWF" references from its product. The company's website was quietly renamed wwe.com on May 5, 2002. On May 6, 2002, the World Wrestling Federation was officially changed to World Wrestling Entertainment, and the WWF title was rechristened the WWE Undisputed Championship. 
So is that true or not? And if it's true, why has it been reverted? Tyrenius 09:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The name change for the subject of the article took place on May 6 2002.  Info regarding domain switches isn't relevant to the article, or needed. - Chadbryant 11:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: There isn't anything "frozen" on the page. The article is currently protected to keep new or anonymous users from disrupting the editing process by inserting erroneous information. If it means that much to you, register an account and play by the rules. - Chadbryant 22:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: If you are interested in being allowed to contribute in the future, please read WP:NPA. - Chadbryant 02:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Legal issues

message: There should be some mention of this, as that was how the title was being announced for awhile. I'm not sure which one came first, and I'm not calling for a title change, but there needs to be a mention. Mshake3 02:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Undisputed WWF Championship

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#Oppose... sigh... You do not base information on what you see on a video box art... Every single professional wrestling news site... INCLUDING... WWE.com name the belt the WWE Undisputed Championship... -- bulletproof 3:16 04:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So you want me to trust professional wrestling sites as opposed to commercially released box art? Mshake3 05:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: "The Game became the Undisputed WWE Champion at WrestleMania X8, where he defeated Chris Jericho at Toronto’s SkyDome." Now we could list various articles from WWE.com that say both. Or we can agree that since WWE.com is inconsistant, we don't include it at all in the discussion. Mshake3 05:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That's what the title was originally called when the belts merged. After about a month, they flipped the words around. Watch other PPVs, and tell me whether or not they call it that. Mshake3 05:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmmmmmmmm............... Jeff Hardy vs The Undertaker (WWE "UNDISPUTED" Championship. First thing you see on the video... Graphics that say... WWE Undisputed Championship. NOT Undisputed WWE Championship. -- bulletproof 3:16 05:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And it does say WWE Undisputed Champion for Summerslam 02. So it appears that that was the final name for the championship. So we can close the debate, HOWEVER, on the condition that the article at least include some mention of the other name. Mshake3 05:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that is needed either. Both the WCW and NWA world titles have been called "Heavyweight Championship of the World" (rather than their official name of "World Heavyweight Championship"). Also, I meant to say Vengeance 2002 (which was July 2002) in my original post. TJ Spyke 06:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With box art and on screen graphics, it's notable and official. I think the change was made during the WWF-WWE switch. I need to check a few PPVs from February and March. Mshake3 03:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Royal Rumble 02, No Way Out 02, WrestleMania X8: Undisputed WWF Championship. You can't deny it, at that time it was a different name. Mshake3 04:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like TJ said, announcers often call titles odd names despite knowing their offical name is different. like when JR use to refer to the World Heavyweight Championship as the Heavyweight Championship of the World. -- bulletproof 3:16 04:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: What part about Box Art and On Screen Graphics do you not understand? `Mshake3 20:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What part of WP:POINT don't you understand? -- bulletproof 3:16 01:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: #Oppose... sigh... You do not base information on what you see on a video box art... Every single professional wrestling news site... INCLUDING... WWE.com name the belt the WWE Undisputed Championship... -- bulletproof 3:16 04:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So you want me to trust professional wrestling sites as opposed to commercially released box art? Mshake3 05:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: "The Game became the Undisputed WWE Champion at WrestleMania X8, where he defeated Chris Jericho at Toronto’s SkyDome." Now we could list various articles from WWE.com that say both. Or we can agree that since WWE.com is inconsistant, we don't include it at all in the discussion. Mshake3 05:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That's what the title was originally called when the belts merged. After about a month, they flipped the words around. Watch other PPVs, and tell me whether or not they call it that. Mshake3 05:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmmmmmmmm............... Jeff Hardy vs The Undertaker (WWE "UNDISPUTED" Championship. First thing you see on the video... Graphics that say... WWE Undisputed Championship. NOT Undisputed WWE Championship. -- bulletproof 3:16 05:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And it does say WWE Undisputed Champion for Summerslam 02. So it appears that that was the final name for the championship. So we can close the debate, HOWEVER, on the condition that the article at least include some mention of the other name. Mshake3 05:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that is needed either. Both the WCW and NWA world titles have been called "Heavyweight Championship of the World" (rather than their official name of "World Heavyweight Championship"). Also, I meant to say Vengeance 2002 (which was July 2002) in my original post. TJ Spyke 06:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With box art and on screen graphics, it's notable and official. I think the change was made during the WWF-WWE switch. I need to check a few PPVs from February and March. Mshake3 03:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Royal Rumble 02, No Way Out 02, WrestleMania X8: Undisputed WWF Championship. You can't deny it, at that time it was a different name. Mshake3 04:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like TJ said, announcers often call titles odd names despite knowing their offical name is different. like when JR use to refer to the World Heavyweight Championship as the Heavyweight Championship of the World. -- bulletproof 3:16 04:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: What part about Box Art and On Screen Graphics do you not understand? `Mshake3 20:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What part of WP:POINT don't you understand? -- bulletproof 3:16 01:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: you say that lesner's title match was the qucikest at 15 minutes this is wrong because if you check wwe judgemnet day 2002 you will see taker and hogan's match lasted only 11 minutes — comment was added by Deadman lastride666 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  lesner winning the title in 15 minutes 

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