Talk:Allegro non troppo

message: Sorry about the capitalization error when I made the page Esn, (though if you look at the poster on the IMDB page, every word is capital, though I think you're right), I'm willing to help expand upon this article for your project, this is my favorite movie. KingPenguin 15:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Today, nearly four years after this article's creation, as the main title header, previously Allegro non troppo, is being restored to Allegro Non Troppo, it needs to be emphasized that works of art which retain their original, non-English-language appellations in the English-speaking world, follow English-language orthography (La Dolce Vita, not La dolce vita, El Bruto, not El bruto, Un Chien Andalou, not Un chien andalou).  Furthermore, all English-language reference books, including Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide, Steven H. Scheuer's Movies on TV, VideoHound's Golden Movie Retriever, TimeOut Film Guide and Halliwell's Film Guide are unanimous in listing such titles with English-language-style capitalization.  The great majority of newspaper and magazine reviewers in the English-speaking world also adhere to this form of titling.  Finally, in a sentence applicable to this film's IMDb listing, Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films)#Foreign-language films states, "[I]t should also be noted that the IMDb always lists films by their original-language title regardless of how common the translated titles are; therefore it has no bearing on debates regarding which title a film article should have".—Roman Spinner (talk) 04:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I beg to differ with you on the poster spelling for the movie "Allegro non tropo".  Unlike Wikipedia, IMDB has gone to great efforts despite allowing only English comments to preserve as close as possible the spelling of all movie names in the original languages if they use the ISO-Latin alphabet.  If you check out IMDB as of 2022-May-10 the name they use for the spelling of the movie and as it is on the poster on their page is "Allegro non tropo".  I rated the movie a 10 and although the animation quality may not be as high as Fantasia which I rated it an 8. Overall "Allegro non tropo" is a classic along the lines of Fidller on the Roof, and Jonathan Livingston Seagull.  I am very stingy on giving movies a 10 at IMDB. hhhobbit (talk) 00:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: “Valse Triste was paid homage to by Garfield creator Jim Davis in a set of dark comic strips known collectively as the Garfield Halloween Strips.”
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/08/09/death_of_garfield_my.html
83.20.222.6 05:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea is indeed remarkably similar... but is there anything to suggest that he indeed paid homage to the film?  From the link that you gave, it seems that he was inspired by simply asking people he knew what scared them the most.  Has Davis ever seen this film?  Esn 06:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Davis says "the storyline for this series of strips is very similar to the animation segment for Valse Triste from Allegro Non Troppo."  See    http://www.retrojunk.com/article/show/417/the-death-of-garfield Colin McLarty (talk) 21:25, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

text: Alas, the link to boingboing.net is now 404 Compliant.  JDZeff (talk) 07:42, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Valse Triste homage 

message: "the film's pessimistic view of Western progress (as opposed to the optimism of Disney's original)."
What about Disney's Fantasia was a view of Western progress?  This whole article tries too hard to line "allegro non troppo" up with "Fantasia".—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.117.164 (talk) 06:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison to Disney 

message: Don't make too much of "the monkey in the film, which tends to kill other creatures".  Don't forget the recurring motif of a dinosaur's foot stomping down, crushing the creature it lands on.  Mammals and reptiles both kill to survive. Asat 05:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only the fungi are pure 

message: Can we possibly be more specific as to which "Concerto in C Major" by Vivaldi we are talking about? He likely wrote several, but two well-known concertos come to mind: the "Concerto for Two Trumpets" and the "Concerto for Mandolin". Is it one of these two, and is it the whole concerto? Also, Dvorak wrote two different sets of Slavonic Dances: Op. 46 and Op. 72. Which one is it? Classicalkid87 16:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dvorak piece is almost certainly Op. 46, but I can't find which Vivaldi concerto this movie has, specifically. I'll keep looking. -KingPenguin 16:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Ah, it's "Concerto in C major for 2 Oboes, 2 Clarinets, Strings and Continuo". -KingPenguin 16:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, I just looked at the list of compositions by Vivaldi and, if I'm not mistaken, he wrote two of them...and they're both in C Major! :b Maybe if it isn't too much trouble you could identify the RV listing and it would take away the confusion. Thanks. (The entire concerto?) Classicalkid87 13:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

text: correction made -- it's RV 559, although movement designation is ambiguous. First movement is larghetto and second is "no tempo indication", but in recordings I found on amazon.com and iTunes music store they are in all but one case recorded as the first movement and indicated "Larghetto - Allegro"--Invinceble (talk) 19:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

text: ??? It's identified in the credits as Spring from The Four Seasons; there's an audio on that page of Spring that sounds identical to the piece used in the film. The piece is also known as Concerto No. 1 in E major, Op. 8, RV 269, "La primavera" (Spring)
Wocky (talk) 08:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  More specific 

message: Allegro (ma) non troppo (regardless of capitalisation) is first and foremost a musical tempo (and one of the more common too, not that it should matter). This article should be moved to "Allegro Non Troppo (film)" and replaced here by a disambiguation. 151.177.57.131 (talk) 15:25, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: DABs are only needed when there is more than one article with the same title. In this case there is not another article with this title. MarnetteD|Talk 16:04, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. But still this is not the primary use of the term; it's a secondary, derived use. Such a thing, in my opinion, must be made clear without one having to delve into the article. 151.177.57.131 (talk) 16:27, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see I might need to clarify: I didn't mean linking the DAB to "Allegro non troppo", but to Tempo. 151.177.57.131 (talk) 16:44, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Again that is not what a DAB page is for. It is only for articles that have the same title. Tempo is not anywhere near the same. MarnetteD|Talk 19:12, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, my other argument stands. 151.177.57.131 (talk) 19:42, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. A reader searching for tempo is not going to wind up at this article and vice versa. Please familiarize yourself with WP:MOSDAB. MarnetteD|Talk 19:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: To word it another way DAB pages are directional not informative. MarnetteD|Talk 19:57, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article should be moved 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Both sides have more-or-less reasonable arguments here on both the capitalization and disambiguation fronts, so given the split in numbers a no-consensus closure is my only option. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:21, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Allegro Non Troppo →  – Per above discussion, proper captialization of Italian ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Followup. I seem to have missed what the RFC is actually about. My apologies. I was opposing the page move that added the (film) dab. Since the poster and the DVD use the lower case I Suppot the page move. Again many apologies for the confusion. MarnetteD|Talk 16:50, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

text: PS: As  observes that that , this would not meet the threshold for capitalisation per MOS:CAPS (and WP:NCCAPS). Cinderella157 (talk) 02:45, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: MOS:CAPS says that  and this clearly is a proper name (I don't think anyone is disputing that). This isn't the usual uppercase lowercase debate, but a debate about whether English sources render it in English format or Italian format.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is the title of a work rather than a proper name, which is a distinction but people tend to lump everything that might be capitalised into one pot.  Yes, this isn't the usual debate.  The prevailing guidance through WP:AT is at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films)#Foreign-language films which would state:   This would be the Italian format?  Yes, there are sources that would use the English format but there are English language sources that use the Italian format and of course, non-English language sources predominantly use the Italian format.  The definitive guidance at MOS:CAPS is consistent capitalisation in sources. Limiting this to En language sources, it doesn't meet this. At Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Titles of works, it would also state:  Hence, it would guide us to the Italian format.  The prevailing guidance and the evidence of mixed usage would lead us to retain the Italian format. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

text:  your post seems to be about the use of upper or lower case in the title. Do you support or oppose the page move. Apologies if I missed something in your post. MarnetteD|Talk 16:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 September 2022 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Policy and guidelines back the Support position here. As indicated at MOS:FOREIGNTITLE, English orthography is only to be applied to English titles. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 06:15, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: WikiProject Film has been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:00, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 24 January 2024