Talk:Torc

message: I thought that the torc was used by the vikings? And then what about a table of :Category:Celtic art with approximate timeframes for usage of some of the items? ....Michael in HOT,Yuma,Ax, --Mmcannis 09:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was, although I'm curious whether it wasn't something they picked up on their raids. An explanation of the source of Viking torcs would be interesting. -LlywelynII (talk) 13:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text: No, don't assume that. I don't think anyone was wearing torcs in the Viking period, or several centuries before. Evidence for this? The Picts seem to have worn big silver neckchains instead. Johnbod (talk) 10:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Viking torcs

message: @"open-ended at the front": The image looks like a closed loop. Also, it's a replica, shouldn't the caption mention that? Shinobu (talk) 06:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open? 

message: The image on this page does not satisfy the definition given in the first paragraph - A torc, also spelled torq or torque, is a rigid circular neck ring or necklace that is open-ended at the front. Should the image be deleted or replaced? Alphonsus (talk) 22:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The image doesn't look like any torc I've ever seen, http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=torc&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi take a look, the typical torque shape is very distinctive, and nothing like the picture.  All we need is a good free image of one.  88.107.191.208 (talk) 00:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Posters are right that the image shouldn't be a non-representative sample. If someone with a good knowledge of what does and doesn't constitute public domain images could pull something off google, that'd be great. The Celtic and Roman-era torques were of one type and the Viking era ones were often more elaborately decorated, so maybe one of each, plus an example of the torque armbands? -LlywelynII (talk) 14:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Also include the firm twisted metal armbands worn by the same tribes who wore the collars. Included. -LlywelynII (talk) 13:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torques 

message: Sir A Evans, the excavator of Minos, also of Mycenae, shows that Mycenae prepared for siege and lost.  I believe it was their Minoan slaves, of which Mycenae was a grain colony, that destroyed Mycenae and then sieged Athens.  After Santorini exploded, the collective consciousness 'forgot' about the escaped slaves to the extend that no knowledge of Mycenae was claimed to be known or of Linear B, found to be early Greek, with Linear A still undeciphered.  When it is it will be records of commerce only.  
My particular interest here is the torc.  A search of the early Harappan civilization included a clay stamp of a begging dog--wearing a torc.  One can go in any direction with that for a idea.  Did the slaves of Minos wear iron bands on their neck or waist, chained together?  Did the megaphone-like symbol inappropriately called a double axe, produce a sound to confuse the mind?  Is this why the Celts, once away over the Alps, wear only a metal helmet into battle?  The torc on the necks were perhaps both a portable wealth (gold) and a refutation of the slave neck band. 
The torcs were perhaps disseminated into many forms; say perhaps the Trirata which looks to me like two torcs side by side.  As we approach what we consider the height of technology, it seems to me possible that we are only discovering what was known.  Do we not lay a current-carrying wire embeded around our yards to keep dogs wearing a 'shock collar' inside the perimeter?  All things old are new again.  Take a new look at that historically-described 'double-axe' the Minoans depict.  Isn't it a megaphone?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.13.241 (talk) 17:34, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torcs from the Celts 

message: Are these torcs the 'rings' mentioned so often in Beowulf? And the king is often called 'ring-giver'? If so, it would be interesting to mention it here as it shows the societal importance of rings back then.Malick78 (talk) 14:42, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's a very different period. The rings in Beowulf are just rings, though in fact these are less common as survivals than brooches. But here's a nice Anglo-Saxon one, though probably well after the Beowulf period. Johnbod (talk) 15:04, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the response. I'm sure though that at one (just one) point in my translation of Beowulf (by E. Talbot Donaldson) he mentions "arm rings". Either way, one article in WP should at least mention the use of rings for consolidating bonds between kings and thanes. Which article should it be?Malick78 (talk) 11:25, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I think the Vikings had armlets and I'm sure bracelets and bangles for women and maybe men. Johnbod (talk) 18:08, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beowulf rings? 

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message: Since when do we use unsourced & personal art evaluations like this in Wikipedia's articles?. Will revert again soon unless someone explains. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 08:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Since pretty much always, but sparingly. Johnbod (talk) 16:13, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Excuse me, but are you protecting your personal opinion at the expense of acceptable encyclopaedic neutrality? If so, find a reliable source that calls that torc "elegant", or else it has to go. No personal opinions. Neither sparingly nor otherwise. That pertains to you, me, everybody here. Some people do not find that one elegant and would like to see simplistic, even boring. I've checked. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 08:36, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And do such people write articles on art? I'm guessing not, and they certainly should not. Johnbod (talk) 14:47, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Your position as an art expert calls for extra care in not extending your personal opinions in Wikipedia articles as if they were facts. Please change "elegant" back to sleek. That torc is unquestionably sleek as per definition. "Elegant" is a matter of (good or bad) taste. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Phooey?

message: The article says some would have been extremely difficult to remove. How did people get them on? It's one thing for something on an arm or leg, but the neck? 86.5.88.131 (talk) 03:57, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not much sourcing on this. Gold is very soft, and many spiral torcs actually thin strips, so one could imagine them just being pulled wide. But some look as though they were worn permanently, and perhaps needed a metalworker to help getting them on. Johnbod (talk) 11:48, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal?