Talk:Czechoslovak Legion

message: During it's raid in Russia Czechs committed numerous crimes against Russian population - looting, robbery, mass execution (esp. in Yekaterinburg). There should be separate section about this.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 (talk) 17:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crimes against humanity 

message: With all due respect to the Slovaks, not one history text in english refers to them as the "Czechoslovak Legions" they are invariably refered to as the "Czech Legion" -- note the singular.  
Perhaps in Slovakia or elsewhere they are referred to as the Czechoslovak Legions but this is the english wikipedia entry.  Can't we stick with the standard historical references?  Good slavic nationalism makes for difficult history.
Capitalismojo 05:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand Capitalismojo's points of view, but more correct name is Czechoslovak legions - one may use shorter version, but it brings a nationalist issue into question  - the legions fought for independence of single state of equivalent Czech and Slovaks, united in Czechoslovak nation, which was indicated by term Czechoslovak legions, not a state of Czechs ruling over Slovaks, which should imply name "The Czech legion". This is not only problem for Slovaks, but for Czechs too. --ja_62 12:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming Issue

message: What about the 1939 legion? Formed in Poland in 1939, soldiers took part in the Polish Defensive War. Source.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  02:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1939

message: Well, according to several sources (e.g. http://www.pamatnik.valka.cz/stranky/mista.php or http://www.army.cz/avis/areport2005/ar5str.pdf (the last an official Czech  Army bulletin) to Bolshevik Government went all the Czar's gold in possession of Czechoslovak legions, except the part threw away by Kolchak during his dictatorship, on March 1st 1920. May someone find any reliable, English-language resource supporting this, and rewrite relevant passages of the article? --ja_62 09:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian Imperial Golden Treasure 

message: I dont know about English sources about the treasure, but when Czechoslovak soldiers gave the treasure to bolsheviks, the protocol has been written and signed by Czechoslovak and bolshevik members of special comitee. Even bolsheviks agreed the treasure is OK. The money, which Legionaries used to fund Legiobanka, had been those, which they earned by selling all their property and weapons before leaving Russia (they had some factories, trains etc. in Russia in their possession).
[The following submitted by Bruce Bendinger - The Czech Legion Project.]
An Englishman, William Clarke, with background in banking, claims to have tracked down deposit records of the Vladivostok branch of a Hong Kong Shanghai Bank that indicate deposits of gold by the Czechs. American author Shay MacNeel claims o have tracked down some transactions in San Francisco in which Russian gold was exchanged for armaments.
In addition, we should consider the overall chaos in Siberia. Fron start to finish, $323 million in gold shrunk to $200 million (that's at 1919 prices). 
For example, there was a huge train wreck that, among other things, included some of the bullion-packed box cars breaking up, strewing gold all along the Trans-Siberian tracks. The account i have claims that in the wreck of the gold train, eight box cars were destroyed, eighty guards killed and thirty more wounded. Eighty killed? Thirty wounded? Wounded in a train wreck? Maybe they meant injured. At this distance, it is hard to determine exactly what went on. Clearly, great raw material for legends and conjecture.
That said, it is also exactly correct that there is a paper trail in which the Czechoslovak Legions hand over ALL the gold to Bolshevik forces. 
These historical documents are quite clear and those who wish to argue that the Legion took home no gold whatsoever have excellent documentation.
But balancing those pieces of paper are these facts. 1. $323 million became $200 million. 2. The Czechs were in charge for a significant amount of time. 3. The Czechs were under great pressures - both for ammunition and supplies while they were there and for transportation home for 70,000 of them. 4. There were a wide variety of forces at work and at war during that period and during that time - and who is to know who might have been "free-lancing." 5. Finally, there is the spectacular architectural fact of the bank itself - a glorious bit of architecture. It is, frankly, hard to walk inside and not feel that some contributions were made by the gold of the Czars. And, of course, we'll never really know.71.57.105.10 06:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above mentioned Czech army source- unfortunately only in Czech - states, that after Czechoslovak seizure of Kazan (August 6th 1918), the imperial golden treasure was handed over to officials of Russian provisional governement, and - under Russian military escort - moved to Samara first, then to Ufa, then, under Czechoslovak escort, but with Russian supervision to Chelyabinsk and Omsk (October 1918). Here, the treasure was since November 1918 under control of admiral Aleksandr Kolchak. The second meeting with Russian imperial golden treasure by Czechoslovak Legions took place on January 4 1920 when The Legions escorted the treasure with Kolchak itself and some his officials. During this transport, on night from 11th to 12th January, one wagon, guarded by Russian soldiers in station Tyreť (probably ТыреЬ in Russian, I'm not sure) was robbed, and thirteen boxes with gold were missing. This is the only official admitted decrease in size of treasure, when under Czechoslovak control. The others are accredited to previous Kolchak's "money management".  --ja_62 16:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The other thing may be in counting of gold quantity by number of cars - for first time the treasure was transported in 120 wagons (guarding units cars probably included), but trace Omsk-Irkutsk in 1920 it made in "ten extraordinally large wagons made in the U.S." and  eight usual railcars. --ja_62 16:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3955/is_n8_v46/ai_16549033/pg_17 , is clearly, that gold was seized  by Kolchak and Semenov and not by Czech legions. By the way, somewhere I read, that Legions saved in Kazan greatest gold treasure of all times. Yopie 23:18, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gold treasure 

message: The "Transit Through Siberia" section reads like a narrative with editorialized bits thrown in here and there and there are almost no citations; I will do my best to excise the most glaring of these, but someone with more specific knowledge of the subject would be required for the citations.
Also, there is a relatively large amount of bias here in favor of the Legions -- while I understand that post-Cold War historical revisionism has led to the wiping out of any sympathy for the Russian Revolution, the article conveniently skims over the fact that the Legions were an occupying force whose own (very justified, mind you) desire for self-determination was used by some of the most brutal architects (France, England, etc.) of one of the most brutal wars ever fought in an attempt to stop a popular uprising and helping to trigger the Russian Civil War. As someone who understands and sympathizes with the Czech struggle, it nevertheless must be made clear that in this case they were antagonists and aggressors.
Undeniably (talk) 06:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Transit Through Siberia"

message: I have just created the above as a redirect to this article.  The Corps is described in this article, but that seems to be putting the cart before the horse, since the Serbian Corps seems to ahve come first.  It seems (like the Czech legion) to have retreated to Vladivostock, after which it was shipped to Canada and then to Corfu, or to the Salonika Front.  This seems to require an article of its own, for whcih the section in this article would make a good start.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:46, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbian Volunteer Corps 

message: Please take part in Talk:Siberian Intervention.-Aronlee90 (talk) 18:07, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory caption under the photo File:Bolshveki killed at Vladavostak.jpg 

message: Hello Volunteer Marek, why did you deleted/moved somewhere all the text about Czechoslovak legions in France, Italy and Serbia? Jirka.h23 (talk) 06:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this article is about the Czechoslovak legion that got stuck in Russia during the Russian Civil War. This is the most famous of the legions, and hence the primary topic. I moved the text about the other legions to their own articles and there's a disambiguation page Czechoslovak Legion (disambiguation). The other articles could use some expansion. I'm pretty sure (not 100%) but the connections between this legion and the other ones are fairly weak. The stuff on Serbia was about a Serbian volunteer formation, not a Czechoslovak one, with the only link being that they were both volunteer legions. I can take the text I removed and create another article out of that, but it's/was completely unsourced. Volunteer Marek  15:09, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dont think thats the best idea, but if you want to have it this way ok. I did only inserted a better linking to other stuff. It will be great if you will create a new article about Czechoslovaks in Serbia. Jirka.h23 (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legions in France, Italy and Serbia 

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message: The Legion is mentioned in The Admiral (2008 film) but I don't remember whether it is shown explicitly. --Error (talk) 00:48, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Admiral 

message: This article disagrees with the article on the Czechoslovak-hungarian war or not with the article about said war. I can not read the language in the source so i can not determine which is true.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godisen1 (talk • contribs) 10:26, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Participation in Czechoslovak-Hungarian war