Talk:Road surface

message: I see that the British use of the word 'pavement' has been pushed down into it's own page entitled 'Pavement (British English)'. When there are regional variations such as this, please consider making any 'disambiguation' consistent. IE, please consider renaming this article 'Pavement (US English)'. Hopefully, do this would avoid causing offence unnecessarily.
:Glad someone moved the British English reference to the top of the article. MARussellPESE 17:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: My campaign is for a pavement to be put along all A-Road dual carriageways inb Britain to make it safer for pedestrains.
How is this comment encyclopedic? Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 22:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The A-Road Dual Carriageway Pavement Campign

message: As an American, pavement refers to the material which cars, bicycles, and pedestrians may travel on, and not so much to the actual roadways, bicycle paths, and sidewalks themselves. Am I alone here?
:No, that is the American engineers' usage. MARussellPESE 17:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: It would be interesting to learn more about the history of paving technology, and the reasons why it has changed. -- Beland 00:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes... I came here trying to find info to date an old photo. When did most small towns in US and other areas go from dirt roads to paved? What about larger cities? --GregU 23:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: The section on concrete states "Today, a majority of the U.S. state agencies build jointed plain pavements."  At least in the Northeastern US, HMA is the favored material. Should this be "Today, a majority of the U.S. state agencies that construct concrete pavement build jointed plain pavements."
Triskele Jim 20:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jointed plain vs HMA? 

message: The page Pavement (material) was moved to Road surface 
by Parable1991 at 14:03, 5 May 2007.  This appears to be a unilateral move without prior discussion.  I believe it was done against standard practice, and by someone who has a history of engaging in such acts (see past warning and user edit history).  I'm going to request the page be moved back and that the user be blocked.  —DragonHawk (talk|hist) 22:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There actually is a strong case to be made for this move.  We don't switch from one English variety to another unless we have a good reason to, but the ability to eliminate parenthetical disambiguation (which we generally attempt to avoid using whenever possible) is such a reason.  Just as we moved Check (finance) to Cheque, it would make sense to move this article from Pavement (material) to Road surface.  For the record, I'm American.  —David Levy 01:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page moved 

message: There is an OECD sponsored organization AIPCR - PIARC that has worked hard to standardize terminology in the road construction field. Its recommendations are apparently ignored in this article, which so far seems to be largely drawn from US sources. Road construction is an empirical kind of activity and it is difficult if not impossible to extrapolate from one particular geographical area of expertise to another. Nonetheless a standardized English for road construction does exist as does a standardized French, German, Dutch, Spanish, Italian and Russian. The standardized glossary is available from PIARC for a small sum. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 22:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  AIPCR - PIARC 

message: I don't have any problem with examples of the various road surface types, however they need to be worded appropriately.
A line I removed was, "The Operation Division of the Ministry of Highways and Infrastructure in Saskatchewan has the responsibility of maintaining  of thin membrane surface"
If an example of Thin Membrane Surface is provided, it should read "There are  of thin membrane surface roadways in Saskatchewan"
The original phrase draws more attention on the 'responsibility of maintenance' of that road surface, and not a clear example of the road surface itself.
The same applies to the previous line under the "Granular" heading. I removed "Besides the  of granular pavements maintained in Saskatchewan, over 90% of New Zealand roads are unbound granular pavement structures."
I don't see the relevance of specifically mentioning roads "maintained" in Saskatchewan. I think the example written as "90% of New Zealand roads are unbound granular pavement structures" is fine, however if there's a need to cite Saskatchewan roads as well, it should focus on the example of the material and not emphasize "maintenance" of the roadways. 
I think it would be more appropriate to state:
"Over 90% of New Zealand roads are unbound granular pavement structures, and  of roads in Saskatchewan." 
Lowrydr310 (talk) 18:54, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples 

message: This section lacks adequate references and contains partially substantiated material. A subject-matter expert should review the classes of deterioration systematically and provide documented sections for each. Some examples include the omission of  frost-heave damage and thaw weakening, and that snow tires wear surfaces rather than cause rutting by deforming the surface. --User:HopsonRoad 23:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Pavement deterioration would be a better title, since cracks tend to propagate upwards from the bottom of the pavement, not down from the surface. Also, it seems to concentrate on pavement failure, when subbase and subgrade failures often contribute. Enough research has been done to fill an article of it's own, though I don't know if there would be sufficient interest outside of the civil engineering community. Reference should be made to the FHWA Distress Identification Manual (http://www.tfhrc.gov/pavement/ltpp/reports/03031/index.htm). --Triskele Jim (talk) 16:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your suggestion, Jim. As to the title, there appears to be a difference in usage between the British, who appear to have initiated the article, and us Yanks. Your main point is that failure is more systemic than just that which is visible at the surface. Perhaps an English subject-matter expert can suggest a title that works on both sides of the Atlantic! --User:HopsonRoad 18:05, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surface deterioration 

message: Unimproved road redirects to here... but there isn't any explanation or definition of what that term means. Can anyone gather together some road surface terms and give their meanings? Please include the meaning sof "unimproved" and "improved". Thanks 125.215.150.94 (talk) 04:44, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some definitions? 

message: Concrete pavement preservation (CPP) and concrete pavement restoration (CPR) are techniques used to manage the rate of pavement deterioration on concrete streets, highways and airports. Without changing concrete grade, this non-overlay method is used to repair isolated areas of distress. CPP and CPR techniques include slab stabilization, full- and partial-depth repair, dowel bar retrofit, cross stitching longitudinal cracks or joints, diamond grinding and joint and crack resealing. CPR methods, developed over the last 40 years, are utilized in lieu of short-lived asphalt overlays and bituminous patches to repair roads. These methods are often less expensive than an asphalt overlay but last three times longer and provide a greener solution.
CPR techniques can be used to address specific problems or bring a pavement back to its original quality. When repairing a road, design data, construction data, traffic data, environmental data, previous CPR activities and pavement condition, must all be taken into account. Pavements repaired using CPR methods usually last 15 years. The methods are described below.
* Slab stabilization restores support to concrete slabs by filling small voids that develop underneath the concrete slab at joints, cracks or the pavement edge.
* Full-depth repairs fixes cracked slabs and joint deterioration by removing at least a portion of the existing slab and replacing it with new concrete.
* Partial-depth repairs corrects surface distress and joint-crack deterioration in the upper third of the concrete slab. Placing a partial-depth repair involves removing the deteriorated concrete, cleaning the patch area and placing new concrete.
* Dowel bar retrofit consists of cutting slots in the pavement across the joint or crack, cleaning the slots, placing the dowel bars and backfilling the slots with new concrete. Dowel bar retrofits link slabs together at transverse cracks and joints so that the load is evenly distributed across the crack or joint.
* Cross-stitching longitudinal cracks or joints repairs low-severity longitudinal cracks. This method adds reinforcing steel to hold the crack together tightly.
* Diamond grinding, by removing faulting, slab warping, studded tire wear and unevenness resulting from patches, diamond grinding creates a smooth, uniform pavement profile. Diamond grinding reduces road noise by providing a longitudinal texture, which is quieter than transverse textures. The longitudinal texture also enhances surface texture and skid resistance in polished pavements.
* Joint and crack sealing minimizes the infiltration of surface water and incompressible material into the joint system. Minimizing water entering the joint reduces sub-grade softening, slows pumping and erosion of the sub-base fines and may limit dowel-bar corrosion caused by de-icing chemicals.AirportBusiness.com » Article » Grooving & Grinding Airport Business
This section is all about concrete pavements, not concrete in general - I have moved it here in case any is useful.Imgaril (talk) 17:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Concrete repair

message: Any leads on that? I figured it would be here in this article but the subject is beyond me to research on my own. 216.183.185.138 (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design life of roads and frequency of repair by type or nation? 

message: I don't see anything specifically noted within the article.  It is my strong impression that concrete considerably decreases the useful life of rubber tyres.  This was shown some decades ago when a new chord of the Paris metro had a concrete trough to maintain the trains' horizontal stability.  Or is that water under the bridge, so to speak? Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 17:55, wikitime=  09:55, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wear and tear of users 

message: Please consider using material from this draft to improve this article. ~Kvng (talk) 16:09, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Draft:Road maintenance planning]] 

message: I see no mention here of vitrified brick, but it was at least a serious contender for road surfacing in the 1910s. See the ads at :File:The Town Crier, v.12, no.15, Apr. 14, 1917 - DPLA - 48ac799d82f3c2c43eb64fba36ec96bf (page 9).jpg, :File:The Town Crier, v.12, no.16, Apr. 21, 1917 - DPLA - b26a6dc6a104ee766677caae989d2a8a (page 9).jpg, and :File:The Town Crier, v.12, no.25, Jun. 23, 1917 - DPLA - 173f6e6da127deb34dda1776503b2847 (page_9).jpg. - Jmabel | Talk 02:32, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vitrified brick