Talk:Maurice Sendak

message: Re the adding of Category "gay author":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.231.54.198 216.231.54.198 added the category of "Gay Authors" to this page citing http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/childrenandteens/story/0,6000,1100149,00.html as a source, BUT I can't find any mention of "gay" or "homosexual" in this article (which is actually an edited extract from Tony Kushner's book The Art Of Maurice Sendak: 1980 To The Present Published by Abrams).  Maybe I missed it, if so please point it out                                                                                                    . Otheriwse the category will be need to be removed or another credible source will need to be cited . Antmusic 17:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "It seems likely to me that his partner of many years, Dr Eugene Glynn, a psychoanalyst, a man of vast learning as well as fierce opinions, has helped guide him in his study."samwaltz 01:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that could mean "business partner"... it does not flat out say that he is homosexual (or possibly bisexual either). If he has not "come out" then this article should not speculate. Antmusic 02:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

text: In certain cases, that would be true. However that would be qualified as "his business partner"; in any case, the closest authors and other artists have to business partners are [Literary agent|agents]. In such a case, he would be described as Sendak's agent, editor, etc., and not "a psychoanalyst". samwaltz 03:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just want to make sure that you are following policy and not doing anything libelous. If it is at all possible that Maurice Sendak is not gay, then that needs to be removed.  For example, if he is bisexual or even pansexual, that needs to be removed.  If he does not call himself "gay" that needs to be removed.  If he is not out of the closet, that needs to be removed.  If he would be angy that that was in here, it needs to be removed.  The sentance in that book is a little too ambiguous to prove that he is gay. My personal opinion is that it would be conjectural interpretation to use this article as a source because it does not state that Mr. Sendak is homosexual, and that is not allowed per policy.  "This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material of any kind that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard." Antmusic 16:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I wholeheartedly agree. In fact, this article should absolutely not be within the scope of the LGBT Project either. I removed that tag for the reasons listed above. Comme le Lapin 06:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also removed the "Gay Authors" category. Comme le Lapin 07:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: No, the conclusion is: that without concrete proof, no one's sexuality or sexual preference can be questioned or mentioned in a biographical article. Antmusic 15:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The anon commenter would do well to notice that the discussion above is many months old, and the source mentioned was applied to the article before you posted it, you might have checked. It's entirely correct to wait with applying sensitive info about a living person until WP:RS is available.. MURGH disc. 19:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

text: That was just vandalism from today (13 minutes before your question here!). Since removed. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:31, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, he did. The video of that interview is already an external link added to the article. Yours, Wordreader (talk) 14:53, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re the adding of Category "gay author" (evidence needed) 

message: The Wikipedia page for the Mutt and Jeff comic strip states that Sendak worked as an assistant on the strip as a high schooler, and links to this page, but there is no mention of his work.  Can/should this be verified and added?
Bturnip (talk) 19:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was me who added it to Mutt and Jeff, as it was stated in the lambiek comiclopedia (usually an RS) but nothing is made of it in other sources I've seen. Presumably it was briefly in his youth, and many sources choose to put little weight on it.. MURGH disc. 20:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Query re:Mutt and Jeff 

message: The closest thing to putting a Gay theme in one of his books is the conclusion of We Are All in The Dumps, where Jack and Guy adopt a child together - indicating they are a married Gay couple. The second closest: the illustrations to Fly By Night, in which Davey is in Full Monty. Das Baz 17:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jack and Guy

message: This may be worth a read and could contribute some points for citing. I don't have the time now and for the moment have only been able to add it as an additional ref in Where the Wild Things Are. --Trevj (talk) 13:35, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides the Guardian interview, there's a New York Times obituary that could be used to improve the article. 13:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2011 interview 

message: Folks, according to most of the internet, Maurice Sendak has passed. If this is true, which is very likely, we should probably update his page.
(Shadowwolf14 (talk) 18:02, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly is true that he has died  - there were enough reports on the BBC news about this on May 8 2012, including a mention at the end of Newsnight. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead? 

message: Guys, that line was not a joke. Use common sense. If he were joking, don't you think he'd at least say after that "In all seriousness, though...", "Just Kidding!", "Joking aside..." and any similar lines in that segment of the interview? I read through that entire section, and not once did I even see even a hint that he was joking around at that point. Even if he were joking around, it would still have been tasteless either way. Don't forget, a congressman once joked about assassinating President Clinton while the latter was in office, and it got him hounded by investigators, the media, and the Secret Service. If it was tasteless back then, it certainly is tasteless now regarding that statement about Bush, and I don't even care for Bush that much. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:35, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why were both Groth and Sendak laughing? I think that may be a clue. Or was it one of those evil Dr Blofeld type I-rule-the-world-type suicide-bomber laughs? Bwaaaahahaaa!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I laugh a few times even when I'm not joking. Heck, I can name a few people who laugh when saying things that they are completely serious. For instance, my film teacher when laughing about the soldiers pointing weapons when making the serious comment about disliking the military. Heck, Ellen Degeneres' show once had the laugh track play when she revealed that she was going to have an abortion. There are various instances where laughter does not equate to joking. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Was this a serious political interview by a serious investigative publication? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see, it was serious enough to be posted on Breitbart.com, which is serious enough in its investigative publications to try to hunt down anything that the media failed to report regarding Obama, among other things, and also makes it clear enough that it doesn't really care about Republican or Democrat views as much as vetting things the Main Stream Media fails to do, which includes even celebrities and other government officials. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:13, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks like a semi-blog site trying to make cheap political capital out of joke interview questions with a harmless illustrator of childrens' books, now sadly departed. But maybe Sendak had his house stuffed full with semtex and timing devices, yes? What has Obama got to do with this? or Ellen Degeneres? or "a congressman who once joked about assassinating President Clinton"? You appear to have a political agenda here and seem to be pushing a very weak and dubious WP:POV. In fact, Breitbart.com makes quite interesting reading. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The only thing I intend to spread is facts, and that's exactly what I'm doing: spreading facts. Political ideologies actually mean very little to me. For one thing, I'm an independent voter, meaning that I'm neither for the Republicans, the Democrats, or any political party whatsoever. A political mercenary, if you will. Regarding Sendak, I used to read his books as a kid, BTW, and had memories reading them, multiple times. And BTW, Breitbart is not simply a political site. Breitbart was a site created to expose the stories that the MSM either ignores or otherwise covers up (which is why I brought in Obama into the equation). And I take it you haven't heard of the term "Depraved Kids Show Host," right? There actually are people who despite appearances of being kid-friendly or being harmless, are actually not that harmless. As for Ellen Degeneres, I was trying to cite an example of how laughter doesn't always equate to jokes. In one episode of her show during the 1970s, she mentions that she was going to go through with an abortion, and the laugh track appeared at that moment, even though she was being serious in regards to getting an abortion. As for that mention of the congressman who once joked about Clinton, I made it quite clear how it ties in: That guy got investigated for making a joke about assassinating Clinton, and I made that point to point out that even if he was joking, it was an incredibly tasteless joke. Clearly, you don't seem to care about facts at all. And it's not POV or an opinion, it's a fact, period. Heck, several of the posters on the site don't even care that much for Bush, yet even they disliked it. Heck, I don't really have that much favorability towards Bush, either, yet guess what, I still found his statement disgusting even if it was a joke, which it was not. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:58, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Facts, eh? I think Clinton and Ellen Degeneres have no place in this discussion, unless to bolster a POV. Can you tell us what evidence Breitbart presents to support that interpretation, apart form the content of the script, which is used here to support a different interpretation? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree with Martinevans123 here. There is clear evidence, if you read the interview, that Sendak is joking, and that the interviewer understands that Sendak is joking. Whether the joke is in good taste or not is beside the point (and I think that this question gets into POV territory). More to the point, I think that this small snippet from the Comics Journal interview is pretty insignificant to the life of Maurice Sendak--yet it takes up a good chunk of the "Personal Life" section for this article. Clearly this doesn't belong here. The "Personal Life" section should actually be about Sendak's personal life. Unless there are compelling reasons to the contrary, I think the paragraph in question should be removed, and editors should limit the content of the section to significant information about Sendak's personal life.Jpcohen (talk) 00:49, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is so little in the article about Sendak's political views that even one off-the-cuff joike, even one in bad tasate, at least gives a suggestion of what his allegiances were. But I would not object to removing this in the interests of article balance. Alternatively the existing entry could be qualified with a new sentence, e.g. "It was been claimed by at least one political commentator, e.g. Breitbart, that Sendak was serious in his threats to harm."(ref) - but that might make Breitbart look like a raving conspiracy-theory right-wing-apologist pressure-group with no grasp of reality? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, even liberal sites such as Yahoo addressed how he effectively admitted to it, so I think we should note it under bipartisan basis. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  That line was not a joke. 

message: I deleted six of the eight shortcuts to WP:PORTALs leaving Children's literature and Visual arts alone. Three of the others were inserted at the head of the list this week 
perhaps satirically. --P64 (talk) 20:37, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portals 

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message: It's handy that there is a guide to pronouncing his surname "Sendak". But was "Maurice" pronounced "Morris" or "Maw-REECE"? For that matter, was his middle name "Ber-NARD" or "BURN-erd"? 2601:545:8202:4EA5:6DFF:5B77:7156:BBC3 (talk) 12:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of "Maurice", "Bernard"