Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemicals

message: Maltodextrin is a topic likely difficult for the general reader to grasp readily, as the term refers to two different classes of food ingredient having the same name. Would appreciate chemistry editors giving this article a critical look with revisions as needed. Thanks. Zefr (talk) 19:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maltodextrin 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine#Requested move 13 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Bensci54 (talk) 20:31, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:Unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine#Requested move 13 February 2024]] 

message: Hi, s already tried some time ago, I think including "found in taxon" in the infobox would be valuable.
For more details:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Chembox#Relaunch_%22found_in_taxon%22 and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals/Archive_2022#Add_a_%60found_in_taxon%60_statement_from_Wikidata_in_the_chemical_infobox AdrianoRutz (talk) 06:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found in taxon in infobox 

message: Hello WikiProject Chemicals! I'll save my introduction for another time, but anyways. I'm writing a draft on Cadmium sulfite, and as I write my first article regarding a chemical, cadmium sulfite is not a big deal in the world. It certainly is existent - I found a case of Cadmium being used to replace Tin foils and resulting in the creation of Cadmium sulfite.
The sulfites in general are not as widely written about as the Sulfates - just see their respective categories. Since some are more longer than others, and my article probably will not be as long, is there a guide, or a good reference, or convention for what articles regarding sulfite compounds should be like? And of course, how does mine look so far? ItzSwirlz (talk) 00:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia-Chem Project and warm congratulations on endeavoring to write an article.  I would abandon the draft on Cadmium sulfite and move on to other topics if you are determined to create articles. The writing, art, sources are substandard.  I dont think that the compound is notable.  Sulfites are far more obscure than sulfates, and for that reason they do not rise to the level of notability Wikipedia expects.  Sorry for the negative views, but if I were to write something on video games, it would also be substandard. --Smokefoot (talk) 02:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I somewhat echo Smokefoot...especially his welcome, but also his observation that this chemical does not seem to meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline to merit an article. It doesn't need to be a "big deal", but it does need to have multiple reliable sources cited. The detail you found--about toxicity via an interesting route of production and exposure--is not sufficient to make the chemical itself that notable. If you can find other details, such as niche uses, sentinel detection or as a marker for something, etc. I'd happily reconsider. We do have a (not that great) article on cadmium poisoning and of course an article on cadmium and all its modern and historical uses, so maybe your new detail could find a home in one of those? DMacks (talk) 03:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly, a search other than the information I found contained one sentence with a claim that growing cadmium sulfite could 'permit advances in technology' (http://www.jstor.org/stable/4468151). So, I'll abandon the draft for now. Is there an easy way to find compounds that are notable but yet to have an article? ItzSwirlz (talk) 20:05, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: One approach is to read books, or read review articles in chemistry journals (This user page has examples), find any mentioned chemicals that don't have an article, and use those books/reviews as sources. Or if you have a specific chemical in mind, you can use Google Scholar (or SciFinder if you have access), search for a chemical and filter the search for only review articles. Michael7604 (talk) 21:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's what puzzles me:  Wouldn't one create an article about something that matters and one knows something about? Instead it seems that you just dreamt up cadmium sulfide and then hoped that someone else would supply the backbone information?--Smokefoot (talk) 22:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I see many potential sources when I search "cadmium sulfite" in quotations on Google Scholar and only show review articles: Search results here Michael7604 (talk) 23:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, looks like most of those are about CdS (cadmium sulfide). Michael7604 (talk) 23:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  And most are crappy journals and they are not about the chemical.  They are about some complicated app.--Smokefoot (talk) 23:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: More dubious stuff: Niobium(V) oxynitrate, ruthenium(III) nitrate, copper(III) oxide (now a redirect) --Smokefoot (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing articles about Sulfites 

message: The page Wikipedia:Notability (chemicals) is a failed proposal that is no longer accurate; we don't consider every possible chemical compound notable just because it has a CAS number. Instead the compound should be in secondary sources. Discussion is at Wikipedia talk:Notability (chemicals)#Revive this proposal. I have started editing the page. Michael7604 (talk) 19:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revival of the page [[Wikipedia:Notability (chemicals)]] 

message: Across articles I've been updating formula formatting to use the new "\chem" style of formatting instead of just using plain text. Are there any issues with this? I've been doing this for a bit. ItzSwirlz (talk) 20:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel strongly against this.  I think the <chem> style introduces inconsistency in the text that is not only entirely unnecessary, but is aesthetically very unpleasing. The  template is much better.  Marbletan (talk) 14:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I also oppose the <chem> style for the reason given by Marbletan.  --Smokefoot (talk) 16:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: should i revert my changes? ItzSwirlz (talk) 18:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you should revert them, since the format they are in now is much easier to convert to the chem2 template then what was previously there (with all the  tags). I've started changing some of them over already. Reconrabbit 19:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome, if I stumble across any that I've done or text using those tags I'll move them to chem2. ItzSwirlz (talk) 23:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using new chemical formula text formatting 

message: What should we say?  --Smokefoot (talk) 19:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: So if a solid is dissolved in a solvent, it isn't "contained" in the solvent? Reconrabbit 19:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Something I've thought about a lot: if you dissolved two different salts into water, like lithium chloride and sodium bromide, would it really make sense to say "the water contains lithium chloride and sodium bromide"? Since the salts are dissociated into , , , and , the solution is the same as if you instead dissolved lithium bromide and sodium chloride. Instead you should say it contains lithium ions, sodium ions, chloride ions, and bromide ions. So you can't go wrong by saying the ocean contains a lot of sodium ions and chloride ions (there are also many other ions in smaller concentrations). Michael7604 (talk) 20:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Could it also be said at that point that the water contains sodium chloride, sodium bromide, lithium chloride, and lithium bromide? (I'm starting to think this is the kind of question that comes up on Stackexchange with some frequency...) Reconrabbit 20:36, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Also think about what you would be left with if you boiled off the water. I think the resulting solid would be a salt containing a random mixture of , , , and , maybe that could be called a mixture of LiCl, LiBr, NaCl, and NaBr (or maybe it would separate into four different crystalline domains of LiCl, LiBr, NaCl, and NaBr, dunno if this has been studied). Michael7604 (talk) 20:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Double salt Michael7604 (talk) 03:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont have any great answer.  Evaporation of an aqueous solution made from NaCl and LiBr (no boiling required!) will give four products but their distribution will depend on solubility products and there will be a lot of doping as well.  I was just wondering if editors think that we should "torture" readers with this aspect.--Smokefoot (talk) 04:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The English language doesn't always have the words we need to give a brief but perfect description. I think in those cases we should focus on readability. Facts are only good where they are useful, and for most discussions on seawater it is besides the point how the salt exists, we need only accept that it is there. Detailed descriptions can be added where needed. Project Osprey (talk) 10:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: See sea salt. What most non-chemists think of when they speak of "salt" is indeed sodium chloride to a chemist. The fact that the sea, and hence sea salt, contains a number of other ions is largely irrelevant. Quantitatively, most of the "salt" in the sea is NaCl. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Provocation, semantics, truth, or just dumb?: Oceans do not contain sodium chloride

message: Hello, I have been cleaning up some of the earlier articles I had created (which are very poor in quality), and wanted to know if the articles below would be needed to deleted or redirected due to issues. It would be nice if people like  could look at them.
* Ammonium selenide
* Actinium(III) iodide
* Manganese(II) chlorate
I also found very dubious articles that I hadn't made, so I'll list them below.
* Cobalt(II) chlorate
* Gold phosphide
* Caesium phosphide
* Manganese(V) fluoride (is this notable?)
Keres🌕Luna edits! 04:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont have any particular authority here except as an inorganicker, and several of these aren't worthwhile.  We can deal with them on their Talk pages.  As other editors are noted, it is often unclear why these articles were created.  I guess that they do little harm except that they diminish the reputation of Wiki-Chem as a source of reliable info.--Smokefoot (talk) 14:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

text: These articles are lacking :Category:Hypothetical chemical compounds which may be useful for finding these in the future. Azinamine? Reconrabbit 16:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:1,2-Dichloroethene#Requested move 26 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  ASUKITE 16:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:1,2-Dichloroethene#Requested move 26 April 2024]] 

message: :Category:Trinitrotoluene has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. DMacks (talk) 19:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Trinitrotoluene]] has been nominated for discussion