Talk:Signals intelligence in modern history

message: I think there might be some vandalism in the wwii section, e.g. freedom of fish?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by KiernMoran (talk • contribs) 23:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freedom of fish 

message: Nice story, but its wrong. I see it has a source citation, which presumably means that source is wrong too. Jellicoe absolutely definitely was not the responsible party for this mixup over whether the German fleet had left harbour, he was on a ship in the north sea with no direct access to room 40 decoded information.  Only the shore staff had access to this and Jellicoe had to rely on whatever they sent him, which was the incorrect messages. There is currently some argument about whether the whole anecdote is accurate. The person normally cited as the guilty party was The Director of Operations Division, Rear Admiral Thomas Jackson, but as I say there is currently argument amongst historians whether the story is credible at all. Although it is widely reported in the literature the explanation of how the erroneous message came to be sent seems to come from a very limited original source. As I inserted, the Germans were also taking deliberate steps to confuse the british by transferring the same wireless operator, so listeners would recognise his 'touch' (which they could). This is documented in German material: they were also listening in to british signals. It would not amaze me if the british signal was sent out in full knowledge it was wrong, for the benefit of listening germans who we wished to deceive about our own interception abilities, in the expectation it would make no difference to Jellicoe's actions. Thats just an opinion, the available facts simply seem to discredit the accepted version of what happened without supplying an alternative explanation. Jellicoe went a bit slower than he might, for example had they told him Scheer had definitely left harbour, but otherwise he continued as planned the interception attempt. The real intelligence failure came in the night, when it was quite clear to Room 40 how scheer was trying to escape, but the weight of information they had about this was not impressed on Jellicoe.  Sandpiper (talk) 08:22, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jellicoe 

message: The current content is PoV and does not reflect currently available declassified documents from NSA (http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/european_axis_sigint.shtml) nor already published memoirs on Hitler's knowledge of and use of sign and wiretaps (especially in David Irving's controversial histories).
can someone add something better to this section ?
Friendlyyours137 (talk) 09:19, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free... Brycehughes (talk) 22:12, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Axis Sigint in WWII 

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