Talk:Hudna

message: Unfortunately there are activists who think that Wikipedia is the place they can fight for their favorite side of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.  The Wikipedians who are trying to create an accurate and informative encyclopedia wish that the activists would bugger off.
* "It is signed when the Arab side is weak but as soon they are on the upper hand, they break the treaty and attack.''
* a symbol of treachery and lyings.
These and other things on the page are so far away from Wikipedia standards that they can't be allowed to remain.  There is already a better description of the 2003 Hudna on Israeli-Palestinian conflict. --Zero 22:22, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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message: Is the neutrality of this article still disputed?  If so, what are the areas of dispute? Jayjg 16:37, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  The very nature of the article requires a disputed logo, in my opinion. Although nothing appears blatantly POV at first glance today, that does not guarantee that tomorrow the article will not express severe bias in one way or the other. Michael Safyan 17:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality disputed? 

message: What is this reference doing in there? Why would it be relevant?  Is the implication here that Hamas and Islamic Jihad got the idea from Erlich? - Mustafaa 04:58, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: As it stands, the article gives a false impression about the hudna, that it was Israeli initiated. Jayjg 05:12, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought "unilaterally" would cover that, but the new wording should hopefully clarify any ambiguity. - Mustafaa 05:59, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good edit. Jayjg 13:22, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, the "Hudna" was a result of pressure from Abu Mazen and Egypt, and not an initiative of the Islamist terrorist groups. MathKnight 22:09, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eyal Erlich 

message: "Hamas called off the hudna after the Israeli army killed Muhammad Seeder on August 14 and Isma'il Abu-Shanab on 21 August, two high-ranking Hamas leaders. " 
In fact, Seeder was actualy a Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader, not Hamas. Secondly, the Hudna was already de-facto broken in a series of suicide bombings climaxed in August 19 Jerusalem bus 2 massacre which killed 23 people, among them 7 children. MathKnight 10:02, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: OK that's a good point. Actually can you give a credible source that Seeder was an Islamic Jihad leader? Also Do you have any credible source for the claim that there was a series of suicide bombings? Also, I think we should present the events in sequence. - pir 10:16, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: MathKnight 12:18, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Earlier years pages were not citated but weren't under such dispute as the 2004 page. Anyway, each attack on Israelis with fatalities can be traced in the Israeli MFA site. MathKnight 18:57, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: None of these attacks were carried out by Hamas. (also, since the Israeli government is party to the conflict, the MFA cannot be considered to be a neutral source). - pir 10:05, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  One of them was carried by the Islamic Jihad. The MFA is may be not neutral but as for listing Israeli casualties it is a reliable source. MathKnight 13:42, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Which means that Hamas rigorously observed the hudna until two Hamas members were killed by the IDF, and it is factually incorrect to state that "Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah continued to target Israeli civilians". QED. - pir 14:17, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual correction 

message: This article seems to me worse than useless since it doesn't even discuss what the concept of a "hudna" is in any detail. I'm not interested in fixing that because a/ I don't know much about it and b/ the opposition of those whose own personal views of what Hamas intends by it is impossible to overcome in this work. However, I read an article in the Guardian (by Timothy Garton Ash, I think) that discussed it, in which it was pointed out, rightly or wrongly, that offering a "hudna" implied recognition of Israel. It was interesting because the description of those who pooh-pooh the hudna so closely fitted those who are anti it here. It's a pity I couldn't find the link. Anyway, I hope someone will at some point give this some attention. Perhaps those more knowledgeable than me can address the issues in the article: that a hudna is only offered to legitimate contestants over whatever is being contested, for example, or that it is intended to give breathing space for resolution. Whether this is Hamas's actual aim, the concept surely deserves more exploration here. Grace Note 02:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guardian article 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Source for speech in Johannesberg mosque by Yasser Araft:
https://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/25/opinion/mr-arafat-s-identity-crisis.html
...The latest quote cuts directly to the issue of trust by suggesting that the Palestine Liberation Organization's peace agreement with Israel might soon be broken for a new round of fighting. 132.71.160.34 (talk) 15:24, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Gangster8192 12:07, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 March 2019