Talk:Japanese new religions

message: As indicated by the tag at the bottom of the page, I am aware this page needs expanding. Most of my past research on the Shinkyo has concerned their connections to Judaism, and thus this is what I know of well enough to write about. Anyone who has more to say about Shinkyo in general, or specific aspects unrelated to Judaism, please feel free. Thanks for your contributions. (I think I'm going to go nominate this for Japanese collaboration of the week.) LordAmeth 13:30, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
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message: I have a bizarre impression. Surely some Shinshukyo, particularly christianity oriented ones are influenced by judaism or christian escatology. But I think it is not the majority of Shinshukyo. The majority of Shinshukyo in Japan are based on Shinto or Buddhisms (Lotus-sutra in particular). So it is possible this section misleads readers when they say "many". Surely in Taisyo period some people began to believe their relation to Jewish (the lost ten tribes came to Japan, Jesus Christ exiled to Aomori and was buried there and so on) but it has been never majority. So I oppose to say "many". The best is indication of factual number of Shinshukyo groups which hold such believe. Or population of faithfuls. For NPOV, we need to say those idea is the minority even among Shinshukyo. --Larus.r 15:22, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're probably right. I wrote 'many' because those New Religions that are associated with Judaism are the only ones I have studied. This is also the reason that, out of what I created originally, so much was devoted to the Shinshukyo's relationships to Judaism, and not to the New Religions as a whole. Change as you see fit. LordAmeth 18:27, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
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message: As the second sentence states, they are "most often called simply Japanese new religions in English", so why aren't we using that title, or perhaps, New religions of Japan?  Is there any good reason to overrule Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use_English) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names)?  --Dforest 16:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was originally going to call the article simply "New Religions," because that was the most common English-language term I had heard to refer to them. But "New Religions" could easily be mistaken to represent other new religions elsewhere in the world that do not follow the model of Japan's New Religions. I then thought of "New religions of Japan" as you suggest; but that would imply I think too much of a connection to new religions around the world, and not to the unique situation of new religions with Japanese origin. It would be too similar to the series of articles Christianity in Japan, Buddhism in Japan, History of the Jews in China and the like. Just as Shinto is unique from global animism/shamanism, and samurai are unique from generic feudal warriors, so the Shinshukyo are a unique set of sects, originating and developing uniquely and separately from new religious movements around the world. I think that by using the Japanese term, which is used commonly in English-language scholarship, we are not only being more accurate, but we are also distinguishing the subject from those it might be confused with. LordAmeth 01:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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: is a Japanese term used to describe domestic new religious movements. They are also known as  in Japanese, and are most often called simply Japanese new religions in English.
Google gives about 600,000 hits for "新宗教" but well over four times that number for "新興宗教". Now, the most widely used term is not always the best one, but if a lesser-used term is chosen in preference to a widely-used alternative, I'd expect to see some reasoning for this -- yet none is given. Retitle? -- Hoary (talk) 13:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Retitle! Oda Mari (talk) 17:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Why this title and not Shinkō shūkyō?

message: Right now this article has links to major groups under "see also." The other article could replace this without taking that much more space and readers would not have to go to the other article for the statistics.  Groups could be wikilinked within the statistical table. Borock (talk) 03:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge in [[Statistics for major new religions in Japan]]

message: @ JimRenge you reinserted the picture of what apparently seems to be a group of Nipponzan Myohoji members. The group is not even mentioned in the text nor in the statistics as being a prime example – even though it is regarded as a Japanese new religion.  I find it difficult to see what is so symbolic in that picture to serve as being iconic for the movements mentioned in the text. If one would decide to insert pictures of various HQ buildings – fine it would at least be symbolic and abstract. Secondly and foremost when thinking about it I find it problematic to place a picture of individuals on the world wide web without knowing if each and everyone of them agreed for that to happen. The very least we could maybe be sure of is that the one who uploaded the picture authorised it.--Catflap08 (talk) 17:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some more pictures in the section on statistics. I would have loved to put in emblems only, but they are not available on Commons for every organisation or group.  --Catflap08 (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: I removed the periods used by Shimozono because there was nothing in the article's text discussing them. I also added the available data for 2012 from the Japanese government, but I think the entire chart needs to be redone since the sourcing for the earlier data is unclear. The Japanese government has all of its religious statistics from 1949 on available on-line so I might do that if I find the time, but it will be difficult to determine what new religions should and should not make the list. Does anyone know the source for the list we have now? Some of them, like Yamato-no-Miya seem quite obscure. -Cckerberos (talk) 04:44, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: @ Cckerberos Thank you very much for your help. What I can gather is that the only thing that is common to all theses groups is the time line in which they were founded. Some are indeed obscure and bizarre, some would be regarded as cults and others are simply offshoots of more or less traditional sects. What might be worth a thought to select one common source i.e. official source for all numbers stated?  In some cases there is a striking difference to groups own released numbers and the official ones. If numbers are stated that originate from one of the groups they should be put in brackets and a footnote attached. --Catflap08 (talk) 08:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: @ Catflap08 The natural source would be the Japanese government's figures, though there are two points worth considering there. First, the government only reports on religions that have registered as non-profit religious corporations. Second, the numbers included in the government report appear to be self-reported by the religious groups. This is why the 2012 report gives a total of 197 million believers in Japan out of a population of 127 million. Even accepting that an individual may belong to multiple groups, it seems a stretch. The largest Shinto organization claims 90 million followers, for example, which no doubt counts anyone who ever set foot on a shrine during a festival or other occasion rather than serious believers. On the other hand, some organizations such as Happy Science and Soka Gakkai are listed in the directory but do not have any membership numbers included, which seems a little odd. In any case, though, it seems unlikely that there is a more comprehensive source. --Cckerberos (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: This article claims 20,000,000 members of Soka Gakkai, but the article about that religion claims only 12,000,000 members worldwide. AxelBoldt (talk) 18:47, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I corrected the numbers according to the one claimed by the organization / the approximation made by scholars (Levi McLaughlin, Soka Gakkai's Human Revolution : The Rise of a Mimetic Nation in Modern Japan, Hawai'i, University of Hawai‘i Press) Raoul mishima (talk) 11:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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