Talk:Omar Amanat/Archive 1

message: Wikified this article as per request Smitz 22:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

message: You seem to be removing large parts of this article on a daily basis, can you explain why you think they are factually incorrect? Lets discuss the content of the article here, instead of constantly reverting each other's edits :) Smitz 14:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hi user [[68.174.171.34]]

message: It appears that you originally wikified the article about Mr Amanat so (if, in fact, it did not originate with you) my problem is that someone is defaming Mr Amanat by selectively posting false and misleading information about him on wikipedia. I am concerned that there is an agenda behind these false and misleading statements.
For instance, the article mentions a purported SEC settlement with Irfan Amanat, Omar Amanat's brother  "Irfan Amanat's settlement with the SEC." This is patently false and ficititious information.   Clearly Wikipedia is allowing this recklessness to occur oblivious of the reality of the situation. In fact, as the following link shows "ALL CHARGES WERE DISMISSED" against Mr Amanat and this link: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/aljdec/id304lam.pdf from the SEC's own website clearly shows that, far from a "settlement" and ban from the industry, as your wiki would lead readers to falsely believe, Mr. Amanat was exonerated by the SEC.   Whoever wikified the original story was cleary was being deceitful and slanderous when omitting this significant detail.
The rest of the article suffers from the same sins of ommission and glaring mistakes with false information mixed with only bite sized partial truths.  For instance, while it makes headline mention of the purported 'lawsuit' by E*Trade it makes no mention of the fact that the ETrade lawsuit is only a counterclaim filed AFTER Mr Amanat and his company sued E*TRADE for fraud and hit them with a $1.5 billion first on April 8th 2004 http://www.shareholder.com/Common/Edgar/1015780/1193125-05-46680/05-00.pdf (as Etrade themselves are forced to admit in this public filing) and that a class action lawsuit led by Milberg Weiss was filed against E*TRADE and its CEO Christos Cotsakos for the same highly publicized scandal regarding the theft of $88 million by its then CEO see link:  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/05/10/financial0834EDT0036.DTL. 
as well as http://news.com.com/2100-1017-922832.html.  The wiki page makes no mention of this fact nor does it mention the fact that Mr Amanat sold his company to E*Trade just three weeks prior to this disclosure and public scandal -when it was first revealed in a May 1st 2002 front page WSJ article - that Cotsakos robbed shareholders of $88 million (which came on top of $240 million in losses for the year) When this was revealed to the public for the first time in May 2002 it caused the shares to decline by 70%.  There were hundreds of additional articles written about this in 2002 and it ultimately led to ETRADE's then CEO resigning. 
By selectively attaching only Etrade's allegations and point of view in the article and not representing the other side of the story the reader is presented with a one-sided biased view of the situation.  The writer of the article may be an Etrade employee, executive or shareholder intended to damage the credibility of the major witness against ETRADE in  very large public lawsuit.
More examples of this include the article stating that "his personal creditors filed an involuntary bankrutpcy petiton in 2004" is also partial information and misleading.  No mention is made of the fact that the purported creditors(Jon Tanzman Marc Rock and Jared Kaban)http://www.google.com/search?q=tanzman+rock++kaban+etrade+&hl=en&lr=&rls=SNYC,SNYC:2004-17,SNYC:en&start=10&sa=N were in fact ETrade executives at the time http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/ir?s=ET, and were just paid $11.6 million as disclosed by Etrade in a public filing in 2003 http://www.secinfo.com/d14D5a.115fn.htm and that the petition was itself filed within days AFTER the filing by Mr Amanat of the $1.5 billion lawsuit and was filed in an attempt to stem Mr Amanat's suit against the petitoners own company Etrade where they worked and owned a material amount of stock: http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=ET
The slander goes a step further when it goes on to somehow flatly simply that "Omar Amanat's father, Amanat Sharif, was previously associated with healthcare fraud"  This is a completely blanket unbutressed assertion that is simply nothing short of slanderous.
I could go on and on and dissect the rest of the article but it is clear that someone has a personal agenda in making these postings and wikipedia users and wikipedia itself is suffering from the flawed personal lens of the writer as a result.  These are major litigations involving major sums of money.  Perhaps it is best to dispense with the links and potential slander or include everything including both sides of a complicated story.  To leave the current article up however is to be asking to be sent into the center of a fire and is misleading at best.
—the preceding unsigned comment is by 68.174.171.34 (talk • contribs) 
:It seems to me that the whole section could be radically shortened: we don't need to rehearse the full details of every lawsuit he may or may not be involved in. Can we reduce the whole section to a single paragraph that complies with WP:NPOV? Supplementary links to the SEC and US Courts Service sites can be provided as references. --Nick Boalch ?!? 12:28, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: hello sir

message: I was a senior Human Resources exec of MarketXT Inc and can readily verify that the previous discussion's writer Mr. Dennis Lowenfels was not an employee of MarketXT Inc "under Omar" as he claims above.  He may go around falsely fabricating his resume and stating he was an employee but he was simply a daytrader at E*Trade Pro (an entity Mr Amanat is suing and fka Momentum) back in the glory days of NASDAQ when anyone with a pulse could make money...apparently except for Mr Lowenfels.  Now he is filling the airwaves with his personal gripes better left aired in a lawsuit. "Woulda coulda shoulda, Didya? 'Meat Hooks' Lowenfels?  Get on with your life and stop bothering us with your poor little gripes of 'woe is me.' There are alot more deserving charity cases than someone who frittered away his time daytrading and losing his savings and income.  The proof is in the pudding.. If he was truly wronged then a judge and jury will one day decide.  If he is lying then he will resort to other pressure tactics such as public slander and defamation of character like he is doing here.  Either way he should be stopped from bothering us with these lies.  The wiki user experience should be spared this slander, defamation and continued edit wars---he is way past the three edit rule.
J araneo 05:35, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ==

message: Why is the public not allowed to know the truth about Mr. Amanat.  I have seen Case Nos, and Index Nos. here and magically removed.  I copied them when I saw it.  The lawsuits are real (I looked them up).  Why are you trying to make it appear that Mr. Amant is such an innocent when he isn't?  The defense for slander is truth.  Why won't you allow anyone to hear the truth?67.91.252.44 20:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The truth