Talk:Trivium (band)/Archive 1

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:You are gonna sit there on your computer and tell me that as i lay dying belongs in the same genre as trvium...I dare you to say that again, hmm lets find the similarities oh i know one they are both  bands, thats about it.  as i lay dying does not have the complex guitar solos or the heavy thrash influence as trivium does, there is not one ounce of punk or hardcore punk influence in trivium which is required in order to be a metalcore band...so ill leave it simply as saying you're somehwat moronic, maybe not just uninformed... plus if trivium says they are thrash ill take their word for it, what do you think they are lying?... yea um we play glam by the way, no i dont think so, they are thrash and its the truth so get over it get this metalcore crap out of your heads because its not happening... every time i die is metalcore, haste the day is metalcore...TRIVIUM is NOT. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul."
The Thrash Metal genre has been influenced and almost created by Hardcore Punk and Heavy Metal, now I'm not saying that trivium are (definately) metalcore or not. even you would know that if you know Trivium well enough to go on about how they are not metalcore and how they say they are Thrash metal. Think before expressing over-opinionated views and unecessary comments, this page is open for discussion not opinionated, sarcastic remarks and comments, may god have mercy on your soul.Paladin91 16:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Bold text'''==are you kidding me pt. 2

message: This really needs rewriting to make it NPOV
:"Bands that have a similar sound include Unearth, and, to some extent, Atreyu. Trivium members enjoy the bands Iron Maiden, Pantera and Metallica, among others, and may have been influenced by all three." I can see what you mean... 13-days 21:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done my best to clean it up (still not sure about that second paragraph)... Also added an infobox, and the "Ascendancy" cover next to the discography. 13-days 21:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I removed a bit of POVness from the article... "While most agree that they have the potential to be bigger than Star Wars" without a decent reference certainly shows bias.TO11MTM 08:00, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They have the potential to be bigger than Star Wars? If you could ever find that reference, whomever wrote it needs to be banned from writing ever again. The only way they could be bigger than Star Wars is in the parody videos they have on YouTube. But the article needs to be as much NPOV as possible. Vegetaman 20:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: I've looked on Google, and can't find any citation for this so I am going to remove it until someone can find some. Thanks AsicsTalk 11:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Rising Single

message: Some aspects of Trivium's sound is similar to that of Avenged Sevenfold from their Waking the Fallen album. However since you are so stubbornly against this I removed any mention of Avenged Sevenfold. Unearth's singing and guitar work are very similar to that of Trivium's and I feel it is accurate to say that they have a similar sound. To people who know nothing of Trivium, Unearth (formed in 1998) is a good reference point to get a feel for what kind of music they play. Atreyu is further away from Trivium's sound, but their guitar work has certain similarities that also serves to help describe Trivium's sound.
Matt Heafy has stated that Iron Maiden, Pantera and Metallica are three bands that he likes. This does not neccessarily mean that Trivium's music is influenced by these bands. Since these three bands have only passing resemblances to Trivium's music, it probably should not be said that they are the musical influences.
Finally, for the person who keeps saying that the band hates being labeled metalcore, Trivium's wikipedia article is not about what the band members want to be labeled, it's about a factual representation of the band itself. The fact of the matter is that of any genre that could be used to label this band, metalcore is much more accurate than metal. Refer to this section of the metalcore article for an excellent argument on why Trivium is more metalcore then plain metal. It is true that they are not the same as other metalcore bands, but it is the genre that most accurately describes the band in a single word. Please do not alter the article just because somebody doesn't like what it says.--Bouyeeze 22:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way, what you said in your first two paragraphs don't represent a neutral point of view, and shouldn't be included in the article. 13-days 21:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Justifications

message: Please stop changing it from METAL to METALCORE.  Trivium may be labeled Metalcore by some magazines and things, but they are strictly METAL.  They directly dislike being labeled that, so why don't we just leave it at Metal.
:Korn and Linkin Park don't like being referred to as nu-metal - but that's what they are. The definition in the article should correspond to what the music sounds like, not what the band wants to call it.
More like what some stupid magazine like circus calls it.
There is a distinct lack of any punk aspects in any of Trivium's material, and Heafy's lyrics are analogous rather than homologous to what Killswitch Engage do. They are not metalcore, there is a much bigger similarity with power and "true" metal.
I thought most wiggers were hung up on labels. So, what does it matter if they're label METAL or METALCORE or even PUNK? If they're good, what genre they follow under should not matter to any extent. Why do they have to sound like someone else, too?  Maybe they have no outside influences.  Maybe they're just a good band. For fuck's sake, leave it at that!
:Trivium aren't 'true' or 'pure' metal. They are the next form of nu-metal, lame contrived music with guitar solos so they don't get the nu-metal tag.:
::Er, I fail to see what Trivium shares in common with nu metal. Care to elaborate? --DalkaenT/C 03:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have heard it said that metalcore is the new nu-metal.  Basically, it's the bastardized genre of choice for record label execs looking for the next big thing.  Metalcore that is not close on the spectrum toward melodic death nor mathcore actually have quite a bit in common with hard nu-metal bands.  Slipknot could very well be labeled metalcore or nu-metal and there are some Slipknot wannabes out there (not speaking of Mushroomhead because I believe A: they were there first and B: because I don't think there stuff tends toward metalcore).  In addition, Mudvayne's earlier music could fit into either category fairly easily.  That being said, I don't think Trivium is anywhere close to Nu-metal in the metalcore spectrum.Dawhitfield 05:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: About their Genre

message: What muppet wrote this article? 
Terrible grammar, loads of useless information and promotion of the band I mean come on I quote 'You may think the band would be tired after this but they are not, they are aching every bone in their body, it is terrible, but theyre dedication is great.' 
What is that? Certainly no good for an Encyclopedia.
::I went though and weeded out all the crap and useless information. It still needs alot of work. I'm not a fan of these guys so I can't be of much help other than that. Dwnsjane2 03:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad writing 

message: Inserting the word "emo" in as many places as you can in an article isn't very mature, now, is it? 
Replaced emocore with metalcore a few times as that's at least closer to their genre than emocore. I'll leave the rest of you to decide if there's a better term.
I never want to see the word 'emo' in a Trivium article. ~MissRain~
Trivium is metalcore with a huge emo side to them, if you don't see it you are definitely in denial.
-What aspect of Trivium is emo?  Reference the Wikipedia page for emo.
-Whatever people say, Trivium is not emo. Some of their songs have emotional lyrics, but do you see or hear them whine their lyrics out? No. Is their any Trivium song where they whine about girls or being nerds and etc.? Do you see any of the bandmembers wearing tight pants, big, black glasses and sporting really long sideburns? No. Also, if you think Trivium is emo, then something is wrong with your ears people.-Carl Adamson
'Do you see any of the bandmembers wearing tight pants?'
Actually, now that you mention it.... http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/SilentKnight485/Trivium-Photo-July-2005-1.jpg
Emo
if you dont like trivium wtf are you doing looking them up?
-Trivium can't be emo; they are completely the wrong genre.  Trivium is Thrash/metalcore.  Emo is emotional punk.
Trivium-emo? To quote the actual Wikipedia page about emo music, "Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria, Death Cab for Cutie, Fall Out Boy, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Panic! at the Disco, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Story of the Year, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, The Used, and Underoath." In what way is Trivium anywhere close to these bands? Emocore is used to describe music that is emotional hardcore. Trivium's genre should just be considered metalcore and left at that.
Catherine Catalyst
XxNo.One.RunsxX 14:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Well...

message: Just removed/changed "Feeling so strongly about the group,because he knew they were about to be signed with RoadRunner and that RoadRunner would give them tons of money and promote them because of their popular, some say poserish, type of music, Paolo left another group to be a part of Trivium." ...Seemed very non-npov to me, feel free to change back. Dan 11:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that particular line was just one of a whole slew of POV edits (vandalism, really) by Playguitar. Most of the edits since then have been undoing those changes in a piecemeal fashion; I have just taken the liberty of reverting the entire article to the version just before Playguitar's most recent edits. ArthurDenture 03:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paolo 

message: Look whover put that Trivium sound Nothing like Slipknot. Slipknot hardly ever have guitar solos, are much slower and have a DJ. Also Melodic Metal is not a real genre but the closest thing would be Metalcore or Melodic Death Metal so that is what I changed it to. Encyclopedia Metallica cites them as Melodic Death metal i think. (Well last time i checked) so that is really what I think to.
--81.131.90.137 11:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band Comparisons/ Genre  

message: Trivium are metalcore. Do not change this. --Jeff24 00:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: First off I'd like to see them try ;) And secondly and more importantly, can we get a source on this? It states that "They are rumoured to try to outperform Iron Maiden by bringing out some sort of stage props, some which are considered to be like Eurovision winners Lordi"...who says this? Where do the rumours come from? This qualifies for the Weasel words tag and should remain there until these article is written from a NPOV.--Jeff24 16:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the tags to template:sources and template:pov. Jon138 17:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel Words - Outperforming Iron Maiden 

message: These guys are Melodic Metalcore, if you don't believe me go to www.metal-archives.com and search Trivium. That site is 100% correct. These guys aren't Thrash, or Swedecore (They aren't like In Flames, At The Gates, Dark Tranquility nor are they from Sweden), nor Melodic Death Metal. They are Melodic Metalcore.
In Flames, ATG, and Dark Tranquility are (Or Were) Melodic Death Metal Bands from Sweden. Dark Tranquility wrote a bunch of riffs that have been emulated and changed over and over again by several bands that are now under the banner of "Metalcore." Trivium, Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, The Acacia Strain, and Unearth are bands that take those riffs and change them subtly and write songs over them, over and over again, using the vocal styles of the Metalcore artists from the late 80's. The subgenre of Metalcore that uses this style has been named "Swedecore." You are correct, The Swedish riffs they copy are "Melodic," but the name of the subgenre is "Swedecore." Also, this website is NOT a mirror site of Metal-Archives, and they aren't the end-all, be-all source of information. We have a page on Swedecore, and this band belongs to that Subgenre. - --Trendkill 00:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre for the LAST LAST TIME 

message: You are gonna sit there on your computer and tell me that as i lay dying belongs in the same genre as trvium...I dare you to say that again, hmm lets find the similarities oh i know one they are both  bands, thats about it.  as i lay dying does not have the complex guitar solos or the heavy thrash influence as trivium does, there is not one ounce of punk or hardcore punk influence in trivium which is required in order to be a metalcore band...so ill leave it simply as saying you're somehwat moronic, maybe not just uninformed... plus if trivium says they are thrash ill take their word for it, what do you think they are lying?... yea um we play glam by the way, no i dont think so, they are thrash and its the truth so get over it get this metalcore crap out of your heads because its not happening... every time i die is metalcore, haste the day is metalcore...TRIVIUM is NOT. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
:I agree that Trivium is thrash metal. But most people seem to agree that they are also a metalcore band. Just read this page, they mostly seem to agree on metalcore, and that's how they are listed at metal archives and on the list of metalcore bands. I was just saying that As I Lay Dying sounds much more like Melodic Death than Trivium and that the Melodic Death label shouldn't be applied to Trivium in that case. I'll put thrash back up but I'm not taking Metalcore off, and I'm sure as hell not going to add Melodic Death back.Theunknown42 03:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  are you kidding me... 

message: Most metalcore bands are without the complex guitar riffs and solos.  This is the most notable factor i can offer. Metalcore is Killswitch Engage, this band has punk influences and is also without solos thus giving it that genre title, no where does trivium have punk influences and is chalk full of solos, even if you were to go to the metalcore wiki page no sign of solos is mentioned. So hmmm what genre has complex guitar riffs and is absent of punk influences... thrash.
: Thrash has no punk influence? God, go read the damn Thrash article, infact heres a quote from it;
:"The origins of thrash metal are generally traced to the late 1970s and early 1980s, when a number of bands began incorporating the sound of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal[1] with elements of hardcore punk."
:See that last word, yeah? XdiabolicalX 11:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No you must just be a n00b, it's alright you'll get over it one day. However go look up any of the metal pages and you'll learn. XdiabolicalX 12:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I read an interview with Trivium, in which the lead singer talked about how much he hated metalcore. I'd scan the article, but that would be original research. Just my thoughts. 782 Naumova 17:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if he hates metalcore so much then maybe they shouldn't be playing metalcore, hmm?  Xlegionx 02:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hmmm 

message: The same type of dedication and youthful exuberance goes into the band's music. Ascendancy, the group's second album, their first on Roadrunner Records, is filled with carefully crafted songs that surge with energy, passion and originality. Like their solid 2003 debut Ember To Inferno, Ascendancy is rooted in ‘80s and 90's thrash, recalling the glory days of Metallica, Slayer, Pantera and Testament. But, the new disc doesn't stop there, incorporating aspects of melodic death metal and even prog-rock. Twin guitar harmonies and point/counterpoint dynamics abound, twisting around vocals that alternate from melodic and pained to caustic and full of rage. "We had so much more to work with this time," says Heafy of the Jason Suecof-produced disc. "I had great guitar sounds, Travis is playing like a machine and the vocals are so much more multi-dimensional."
-right off their bio...
:That doesn't prove anything. The fact your edits keep getting reverted by everyone and not just me should be something you note. Diabolical 17:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the abuse but just because they release one album that sounds a bit like Metallica doesn't mean they're thrash. Diabolical 01:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  well.......... 

message: I just realized, this page actually has 0 citations. There is not one place where this article cites its sources. Anyone who has the sources for this information please add them. --Wildnox 01:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cite

message: Aside from Brent Young is there any proof that anyone else on that list was actually in the band? I know that they had a singer for a few weeks but none of the interviews I've seen have disclosed any names
--24.185.114.85 07:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past Member's 

message: not in chronological order, plus its a bit like a novel, "and then they did this, and they did that" its not really a proper Biography —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.108.174.235 (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography? 

message: If anyone wants they can join the WikiProject Trivium Asics 01:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Trivium 

message: Trivium is not thrash metal and will never be. They are metalcore influenced by thrash no doubt. but real thrash bands don't have the faggotry in the choruses. Real thrash : Nuclear Assault, Municipal Waste, Kreator, DRI, Testament, Biomechanical, Vio-Lence.
Psuedo-thrash metalcore : Shawdows Fall, Trivium —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.82.35.212 (talk) 04:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT THRASH METAL 

message: In their bio it says they formed in 1764...Hello???  I don't know when exactly they got together however it certainly was NOT 1764!!!  Wickedxjade 11:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: That's positively Medieval!

message: There are external jumps, citation needed tags ( a lot of them) and the article is missing a lot of information, such as a criticism section. This band is heavily criticized for being very similar to Metallica. The <ref tags aren't formatted properly and are missing titles, author, publisher, date last accessed - more info here . M3tal H3ad 10:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article needs work