Template talk:Waterways legend/Archive 1

message: The Railway line template (see Chase Line for an example) would seem to be suitable for use for drawing canal route diagrams, also. I've asked about adding the necessary extra icons; more input is needed there, please. Andy Mabbett 19:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the above sample as a talking point. Dark blue in this test piece indicates a navigable waterway and light blue a disused waterway. I've created one new icon for the M1 and the aqueduct by modifying existing icons which were licensed for free use in Wikimedia Commons. This is not meant to be an accurate description of the Erewash Canal it is a sample of the kind of Icons we need. I have also added a first attempt at a Lock icon. Martin Cordon 01:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder whether a greater difference between the two blues would help at all? Salinae produced a schematic of the Cheshire Ring system that can be seen in the Canals in Cheshire article, and that made me think that perhaps some means, where needed, of indicating different stretches of canals might be worth considering at some point. I do like the example you have created so far, however. I'm not sure Salinae knows about this project, and so I'll alert him to it to see if he wants to contribute anything to it.  DDStretch  (talk) 09:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That's great! I too, have trouble differentiating the shades of blue - would a dotted or dashed line be better? I think the lock icon needs to be replaced by two, one for "up" and one for "down" (and perhaps a third, where there is no change of level as such, but a link with, say, a tidal river). I would also not label the between-locks sections. What are the figures "13,1"? I've also requested, on the template's talk page, some assistance in looking at including columns for mileage and coordinates. Sadly one or two editors overreacted somewhat... Andy 
Mabbett 09:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The figures are supposed to represent mileages. They are not accurate at the moment. Creation of up, down and stop lock icons is not a problem. I could use dotted or dashed lines or even an entirely different colour. I'll prepare some samples and import them. Martin Cordon 11:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This is why we are having a discussion. It makes sense to achieve consensus here before we start using route maps on actual articles. The icon suggested does have a \/ to indicate its direction as you would see if you clicked on the icon to see the full size image. Are you suggesting that the \/ needs to be more pronounced, or that there should be only one \/? Martin Cordon 12:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not that clear. Probably having it more pronounced would be better so maybe a sharper angle. Also, different directions, not just N + S but also E + W. Simply south 12:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It looks like two bars to me, not "\/". Andy Mabbett 12:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll make the \/ more pronounced and longer and see how that works. I've added a category for canal icons so that you can track changes. Martin Cordon 12:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Altered Lock icon added, some labelling removed mileages progressing in order. Martin Cordon 13:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks clearer now. I suppose later there will also be horizontal icons? Simply south 13:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: What about this :File:BSicon uLock3.gif (sorry, it's a gif), with white where the chevrons are over the canal? Andy Mabbett 13:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummmmmm. Replaced Eastwood lock with what it would look like possibly, minus the branch on the left. Simply south 14:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you. Seeing it that small, I think the arms need to be darker, too. Andy Mabbett 14:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've modified the Lock icon as per the above suggestions. What do you think? Variations with differing directions can be produced once the initial format is agreed. Martin Cordon 18:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Much clearer - thank you. Wikipedia working at its best! ;-) Andy Mabbett 20:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I've added a route map to Erewash Canal, I will change it as opinions within the project change. It is about as big as practical for this page. See what you think. Martin Cordon 14:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created a list of the icons so far used, just as a reference at User:Smurrayinchester/Waterways legend; it shows where there are gaps that need icons (such as various types of abandoned waterway). Laïka 14:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both look good. A few minor points - the "legend" links to the railway legend. Do we extend this, or create as separate one? We really need a second lock icon, to show rise or fall. The distances need to be qualified (miles or km?). Was the Nottingham canal junction really only available from one direction? Can you mention the number of locks in each flight? I changes "River Trent Terminus" to just "River Trent". But, as I say, these are minor points. Andy Mabbett 15:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The distances are in km following the German model, I will qualify them. The Nottingham canal junction is indeed only available from one direction. It is necessary to turn around in the basin. All locks are single locks with one entry and one exit as per the icon. Martin Cordon 18:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Railway line template

message: Sorry to raise this again but I have been unable to find an OS map with a double chevron for a lock. The 1:50000 maps use a single chevron and the 1:25000 and smaller scale maps attempt to draw them in as features (narrowings and short lines for gates). Perhaps much older maps used two chevrons? Nicholson and Pearson use a single. Oosoom Talk to me 08:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As previously stated in this discussion, I have in my possession an OS Landranger map dated from 1914 showing amongst other features, locks on the Erewash, Derby, Nutbrook and Cromford Canals. The locks are denoted with two chevrons. The scale is one inch to one mile. Martin Cordon 16:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think conventions have changed somewhat since 1914. Have you any contemporary evidence? :) Oosoom Talk to me 17:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you go to the UK OS Maps website, pick a location with a lock and zoom in on it, the lock will be shown with both gates. This is contemporary. Martin Cordon 00:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I only see a single chevron on the 1:50000 maps and a narrowing on the 1:25000 maps on the Ordnance Survey Get-a-map site. See Wheaton Aston Lock  () (SJ858126). Looks the same if I go in via Ordnance Survey's home page. Can you give me a link please?  Oosoom Talk to me 11:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to the OS website, choose a place near to a lock. I chose Sawley, use the search engine to find it, a map will appear, zoom in on the nearest lock. Martin Cordon 14:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are interpreting the drawing on the 1:25000 (max zoom) map as chevrons. They are lines, as used to outline an object. At some angles they may look like a chevron, but at less than the width of the canal they are obviously not meant to be literal symbols. The only symbol used is on the 1:50000 maps and shows a single chevron >, not two. Maps of smaller scale than 1:50000 do not use a symbol and are not really any evidence of common usage. :) Oosoom Talk to me 17:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My only reason for answering your comments is because your previous comments appeared to doubt the veracity of my earlier contributions to this discussion. I haven't really got anything new to say that I haven't already said in this discussion. If a majority of interested editors are of your opinion I will have no problem with complying. Martin Cordon 17:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lock icon, more

message: For Netherton Tunnel Branch Canal, for example, we need single tunnel-portals for each direction, and air-vent icons. Perhaps also a "tunnel mid-point" icon, for mileage purposes. Can someone oblige, please? Where, say, a motorway crosses a canal in a tunnel, do we use the regular icon, or a special "in tunnel" version?Andy Mabbett 15:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the canal is in a tunnel and a motorway goes over, use the motorway going over with the canal in tunnel. If the canal is in the open but going underneath, use a road bridge icon. Simply south 16:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already pieces for marking midpoints etc: normal and tunnel. It should be quite simple to convert these to blue. As for air vents, do we really need icons for these? What about simply using a plain tunnel piece and marking it as "air vent" in the notes? Laïka 16:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "As for air vents, do we really need icons for these?" I think we need something, maybe a "tunnel feature" icon, along the lines of :File:BSicon uHST.svg. Andy Mabbett 16:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you could try using :File:BSicon utHST.svg. I've created some parallel tunnels, and put them at User:Smurrayinchester/Waterways legend. Laïka 16:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now created. Thank you again. Andy Mabbett 16:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tunnel features

message: The K&A example shows winding holes (presumably) as a canal basin, indicated by '70ft'. Surely these are always to one side of the canal, or the other? (Hence new icons?)
EdJogg 01:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Winding holes

message: Is there a good SVG editor, for Windows, for making and adapting these icons? Andy Mabbett 16:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've not really used it, and when I have, it has been on Linux, but Sodipodi might fit the bill.  DDStretch  (talk) 16:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This link might be a better one for sodipodi.  DDStretch  (talk) 16:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: And more general links, but most of the software needs you to pay money: see here.  DDStretch  (talk) 16:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I use Inkscape; it's pretty easy to use, and it's free. Laïka 16:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: hah! Beat me to it! I was just going to put in a mention for inkscape as well, after tracking it down and reading about its features.  DDStretch  (talk) 16:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Editor

message: Strip-maps developed using BS-header & BS-table default to a red title box and a legend aimed at railway use (originally derived from German railways). Should a more appropriate colour (blue? and legend be used for this project?  To avoid any problems as the ukw standards develop further, perhaps the BS templates could all be cloned to give uBS or equivalent (perhaps ukw is more apporiate?) variants?  I appreciate this may involve a fair amount of effort, but it will be easier now, when it is relatively new, than later, once it has grown even more than it has so far.  Any thoughts? Regards, Lynbarn 17:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A new legend is needed, railways use these icons differently to Canals. Martin Cordon 18:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What will happen when railways and canals are on the same map? Andy Mabbett 18:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Duplicating templates is, I believe, a bad thing. It means they can become out of synch, or at least require twice as much work if changes are made. Andy Mabbett 18:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can the legend be disabled on canal pages? Martin Cordon 19:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes,   includes the legend,  doesn't. A second alternative template (or some additional coding) would be required to use a ukw waterways-based legend (as it stands, the legend is far from comprehensive, even for German railway use). Ideally, the original German Railway templates could have been written to allow for various paramater-based variations, but I doubt the original authors foresaw the other uses to which these templates could be put, and it is probably too late now to re-engineer them all, so cloning at least some ofthe original templates is the only realistic option. Lynbarn 08:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be easier to make a different header for use in canal pages linking to a canal-based legend (it's only  that produces the legend bit; making a new one for canals would be easy). Laïka 19:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Laika and Lynbarn. Adding lots of canal icons to the railways legend will probably offend railway people. Changing the description of a station icon to indicate that it is in fact a canal basin may also cause offense. When Canal editors need railway icons on canal descriptions the relevent icons can be added to the legend. I suspect that we are going to need an icon request option on the project page and a request for the listing of icons in the legend. Laika appears to be correct making a canal specific legend seems straightforward. Martin Cordon 19:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Legend

message: First Class piece of work which I am already using. Martin Cordon 17:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  General comment on new legend

message: Anyone fancy trying to make a map for a ring, for example the Warwickshire ring? Andy Mabbett 11:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rings

message: Thanks to Martin for creating the cat in the first place.
However, I discovered that template categories should belong together, hence I have created the following hierarchy under<BR>:
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This last one has not been created yet since that could be seen as over-categorisation at this stage.  However, it is expected to be needed, so, with that in mind, I have created the sub-template .  When added to the bottom of a routemap template (as shown below) this will add the appropriate template category and some generic instructions about the routemap (yet to be written, but could usefully include a link to the page listing the icons).
By using a sub-template, it is an easy matter to move all the routemaps to a UK-specific sub-cat in the future, in a single hit.
Add following code to end of templated routemap:
 
 
 
I have already moved all existing templates from Category:Templates for UK Waterways, and this may now be earmarked for CfD.
EdJogg 13:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template Category (NEW!!)

message: Not quite sure what is meant by unwatered canal. Does the basic shape of the path have to still exist, perhaps as a walkway, or does it also apply to the track of canals totally lost and built over, perhaps by a factory or housing?  Would green be suitable for that? Oosoom Talk to me 19:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a reply to an old comment, but in the absense of any other suitable colours for non-existent canal, I've used it for both unwatered/dry sections where the canal is easily distinguished (Llanymynech Branch of the Ellesmere Canal) and in sections where the canal has been infilled and built over (Newtown on the Montgomery Canal). Hmallett 20:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unwatered canal 

message: There's a discussion of using similar maps for footpaths which may be of interest. Andy Mabbett 11:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See update: Talk:Long-distance footpaths in the UK#Footpath Icons. Andy Mabbett 20:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other uses

message: Since we are linking this legend from various articles in the article namespace, I moved this page from the Wikipedia namespace to the template namespace as per WP:SELF. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving to the template namespace 

message: It would be nice to have icons that show a wharf on only one side
*whfSTRl
*whfSTRr
*whfHSTRf
*whfHSTRg  
Mayalld 09:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wharf icons 

message: Would it be more appropriate if the blue inside the dry dock were a lighter colour to distinguish it better from a lock?
Mayalld 09:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dry Docks 

message: I've created Template:BS-table-canal/WithCollapsibles as an analogue of the WithCollapsibles version of Template:BS-table
Replace  with  at the start of the route map, and use;

.
.
 
To wrap a section of canal to be initially collapsed.
See Peak Forest Canal for an example
Mayalld 10:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collapsible Maps 

message: The number of icons seems to be proliferating, as we now have a green set as well, and once you start using green icons, you need some of the other icons also in green, so I wondered if it is time to extend the Smurrayinchester/Canalrow which is used to display them on the legend page, to include at least two extra columns. I have had a go so you can judge if you think it is a good idea.
* x = canal not in use
* t = tunnel
* e = feature not in use
* ex = canal and feature not in use
* g = canal unwatered
* xg = feature unwatered
* tg = unwatered tunnel
* L = planned / under construction
ID (below)  Prefix (right)	               	x              	t              	e              	ex             	g              	xg             	tg             	L	symbolises
Basic structure           	Basic structure	Basic structure	Basic structure	Basic structure	Basic structure	Basic structure	Basic structure	Basic structure	 	
I added the light blue curve icons as ueSTRlf, etc, because the vertical plain section was already ueSTR, but in view of the table headings, I think they all ought to be in the ux column, since they show the canal not in use, rather than a feature. Also I wonder if I have named the new aqueducts wrongly, since the aqueduct over major road is now aUARKZu, whereas I think I should have called it uARKZo, since that is how the railway aqueducts work. If the unwatered bridge (uGBRÜCKE) was renamed ugBRÜCKE it would fit into the grid better, and I really struggle to find the umlaut, so could the bridges be renamed ugBRUCKE? I'd be happy to sort this out if there is general agreement. Bob1960evens 12:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In reverse order, (1) if you open the edit page and look below the [Save page], [Show preview] and [show changes] buttons, you will find this lot: Á á Ć ć É é Í í Ĺ ĺ Ń ń Ó ó Ŕ ŕ Ś ś Ú ú Ý ý Ź ź   À à È è Ì ì Ò ò Ù ù   Â â Ĉ ĉ Ê ê Ĝ ĝ Ĥ ĥ Î î Ĵ ĵ Ô ô Ŝ ŝ Û û Ŵ ŵ Ŷ ŷ   Ä ä Ë ë Ï ï Ö ö Ü ü Ÿ ÿ   ß   Ã ã Ẽ ẽ Ĩ ĩ Ñ ñ Õ õ Ũ ũ Ỹ ỹ   Ç ç Ģ ģ Ķ ķ Ļ ļ Ņ ņ Ŗ ŗ Ş ş Ţ ţ   Đ đ   Ů ů   Ǎ ǎ Č č Ď ď Ě ě Ǐ ǐ Ľ ľ Ň ň Ǒ ǒ Ř ř Š š Ť ť Ǔ ǔ Ž ž   Ā ā Ē ē Ī ī Ō ō Ū ū Ȳ ȳ Ǣ ǣ   ǖ ǘ ǚ ǜ   Ă ă Ĕ ĕ Ğ ğ Ĭ ĭ Ŏ ŏ Ŭ ŭ   Ċ ċ Ė ė Ġ ġ İ ı Ż ż   Ą ą Ę ę Į į Ǫ ǫ Ų ų   Ḍ ḍ Ḥ ḥ Ḷ ḷ Ḹ ḹ Ṃ ṃ Ṇ ṇ Ṛ ṛ Ṝ ṝ Ṣ ṣ Ṭ ṭ   Ł ł   Ő ő Ű ű   Ŀ ŀ   Ħ ħ   Ð ð Þ þ   Œ œ   Æ æ Ø ø Å å   Ə ə  . So it is just a matter of copy & paste. On this basis, I don't consider that ugBRUCKE is needed just yet. (2) I like your suggestion for new (green) icons & new columns in the table. Great idea. I'd also like some pale red railway icons, such as uKRZu & uKRZo, for closed railways. I tried to make an euKRZu icon, using an SVG plugin in Explorer (I normally use Firefox), to edit the source code from #be2d2c to #d77f7e, but I could not make an image from it.Pyrotec 17:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are already icons called ueKRZu and ueKRZo, available since April 17, so I will add them to the template. Bob1960evens 18:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had this very same thought the other day, but the diverse naming issues put me off saying anything. With the expanded template in use, such naming issues should be avoided in the future. I would recommend moving all mis-named icons 'now', since the longer it is left, the larger a job it will be! -- EdJogg 14:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We need some green lock series - up, down, left and right. I'll have a play around with the existing svg files (changing blue to green), but what will be their new names?Pyrotec 19:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you start from uLock3, the green lock pointing in the same direction will be ugLock3. Please note the 'g' is lower case. I am not sure why locks use 3 and 5 for up and down, where most symbols use 'f' and 'g' (presumably from the German). However, there already appears to be green locks in all 4 directions, but not all are in the template.Bob1960evens 20:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I found those, but I was looked for green equivalents of uLOCKSu,uLOCKSd, uLOCKSl & uLOCKSr. As I did not find those, I made some at home, but I've not tried uploading them.Pyrotec 20:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: First one uploaded as uLOCKSr green.Pyrotec 20:39, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Loaded the others as uLOCKSg_green,uLOCKSr_green, and uLOCKSl_green.Pyrotec 20:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but they won't fit on the template with the word green on the end. The 'g' needs to go immediately after the 'u', so they would be ugLOCKSr. Then you can put them next to the other LOCKSr on the template page. I was trying to upload green stoplocks as well, but the uploading process changed the initial 'u' to a 'U', and that doesn't work either. Bob1960evens 21:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proliferation of Icons 

message: I am inclined to replace my earlier attempt at a swing/swivel bridge with a more graphic represention. Any comments?  Oosoom Talk to me 10:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that going to be clear enough at lower resolution? The current one looks alright to me. --VinceBowdren 11:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but it looks like a lift bridge to me:( Derek Andrews 19:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are completely right. I drew it as a drawbridge and meant it to represent an opening (swing or lift) bridge (as described on the legend page). Wrote the wrong description here. Sorry.  Oosoom Talk to me 23:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I like the new icon. I think it is a bit more obvious what it represents. Bob1960evens 17:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I like it too. I'd be inclined to move to separate icons for swing bridge and lift bridge Mayalld 06:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about .  Oosoom Talk to me 09:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect! Mayalld 13:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great work. Will one of them replace the existing uSWING, or will we end up with three icons? Bob Evens 16:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure we only need two, but with what names? Oosoom Talk to me 17:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about uSWING and uLIFT? It would mean that all of the existing Lift and Swing bridges would appear as the new Swing bridge, but there are not too many maps to check, if we act soon. Bob1960evens 20:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have uploaded uLIFT to Commons and will reload uSWING with the new picture. Oosoom Talk to me 22:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And updated Legend and other articles which used uSWING. Oosoom Talk to me 22:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swing/Draw bridge icon 

message: Does anyone agree that BSicon_ugENDEa:  and BSicon_ugENDEe:  are misnamed as they are not the same shape as their u- equivalents, ie abrupt end BSicon_uENDEa:  and BSicon_uENDEe: ? There should be another image name for transition blue/green. What should it be?  Oosoom Talk to me 14:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there needs to be a new image name for status transitions. TRANS might be suitable main part of the name. (Isn't there a limit on how many characters can be used?) Hmallett 14:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created them, and took inspiration from the large waterway source, which uses a different shape for the 'x' variation. I am happy for them to be renamed, but to fit into the grid, there needs to be a standard icon of the same type, to fit into the first column. I had the same problem with the BSicon_ugBASINr: , where I had to create a BSicon_uKHSTr:  in order to show it on the grid. Bob1960evens 16:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While we are at it, is there any consensus for changing the names of the Wharfs and Docks so that they at least have the initial 'u' in them? I had to create a special row to display them on the Legend, because they do not follow the same naming convention. I wondered about uWHARF, uHWHARF, uDOCKf/g/l/r. I would be quite happy to trawl through the existing maps and modify them if we followed this route. Bob1960evens 16:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that if the u is required for consistency, then we should have the u. Anything to avoid having to do things manually, like create special rows. Hmallett 13:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a BSicon_uTRANSf:  and a BSicon_ugTRANSf:  on Commons, but noticed that the original BSicon_ugENDEa:  and BSicon_ugENDEe:  were created by Smurrayinchester and not me as stated above. Bob1960evens 18:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I have now created a BSicon_ugTRANSg:  on Commons as well, have put them on the legend, and adjusted all maps to use the new symbols. Bob1960evens 21:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BSicon_ugENDEa.svg 

message: Not sure if this is the right place to mention, but I've put a total beginner's guide to creating waterways routemaps at User:Hmallett. Hmallett 22:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. Is it worth mentioning the BS2, BS3 and BS5 options for multi-column maps? Bob1960evens 15:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that (for now) total beginners will only do BS maps. Maybe I'll do more complex ones in the future. Hmallett 14:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Howto/Beginners guide 

message: Please note that the category on Enghlish Wikipedia has now been renamed to fall into line with Manual of Style on category names (lower case) and that it now is the same as the category on Commons. Oosoom Talk to me 09:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category:Icons for canal descriptions

message: ... are not the same as in english wikipedia? Locks are different, junctions are missing ... ?! --89.50.96.19 23:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that the same image name is showing different pictures on the two wikis?  Which names?  Oosoom Talk to me 08:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No. Nice english locks :-) are not on commons, also junctions and so on ... the sets of icons are really different ... --89.58.101.81 01:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icons on commons 

message: Anyone know what has happened to collapsible sections? They no longer line up with the non-collapsable bits. See Trent Lock or Calder and Hebble Navigation. Bob1960evens (talk) 12:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's because the BS templates icons were switched to 22px, but the user who switched them (User:Oahiyeel) did not do so in the collapsible templates too. I guess it's fine now. – PeterCX&Talk 15:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Collapsable Sections Broken