Talk:Pokémon Diamond and Pearl/Archive 2

message: I have archived the talk page to Talk:Pokémon Diamond and Pearl/Archive1 (see the cool archive box over to the side). Feel free to copy over any discussions you wish to comment on. -Amarkov babble 20:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: Shouldn't somebody include how GameFreak split which moves are physical and which moves are special? If they do, they should also put in how some moves' accuracy and power have been changed to augment the change. Xenero 03:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. That's fancruft, and thus should not go in. -Amarkov babble 03:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If Pokémon fans want to check out that info, they can check out serebii.net.  -サターン・ヨッシー HAPPY HALLOWEEN 08:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Physical/Special Split 

message: Copied straight from my topic in the archive:
Since there seems to be a large page move war in regards to the romanized names of some D/P Pokemon, I say we should protect those articles which seem to be affected the most (Hydoran, for example). Also, we should come up with a general consensus: either use the trademarked names as the article name, or use the direct translations. Not both.
All right, this move war is completely messed up (for lack of a better expression). 
Unless it's been 100% confirmed that we have a trademarked Romaji name (for those whose English names have not been revealed) then USE THE HEPBURN ROMANIZATIONS. Yes, I know this will make some articles sound awkward (again, lack of a better expression) but seriously, any solution will be good. Blue Mirage | Comment 00:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the lack of title at first, I completely forgot about it. Blue Mirage | Comment 10:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move wars...again 

message: One of the bootlegs for the GBC was named Diamond. 67.188.172.165 18:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we know. >_> -Sukecchi 22:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info, Captain Obvious. (b")b --Burai 15:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Funny thing, though; just now I glanced through the page and I don't see the link to Telefang, but maybe I skipped over it. Should there be a mention that Telefang exists? Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 19:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to be there, but was removed. Tennis Dynamite 21:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Why? JQF 02:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea. I tried to look for it, but this page has seen so many edits that I can't find it. Tennis Dynamite 03:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

text: IIRC, it was deleted for something like "This isn't notable enough for a notice". -Amarkov babble 03:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bootleg

message: Last time I checked, it was called Shinou. And until the English versions are released, there is no reason to call it anything different. ~ iNVERTED | Rob (Talk | Contribs) 15:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Other than the fact that the english version of Pokemon Ranger calls it Sinnoh, no. Oh wait, that's a good reason. -Amarkov babble 15:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Man, you beat me to it. The game Pokémon Ranger confirms the new region as Sinnoh. It wouldn't have been changed without proper reasoning. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 15:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I see. Thanks for explaining that, anyway. ~ iNVERTED | Rob (Talk | Contribs) 21:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sinnoh? WTF? 

message: What happened to the flags that were in the release date box on the left right? Tennis DyNamiTe (sign in) 02:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox usage was standardized to use superscripts instead of flags, apparently. -Amarkov blahedits 02:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: I was wondering about some of the pokemon have names like Naetoru, Diaruga and Gabaito on some places, but ones like Naetle, Gabite and Dialga.... on here.. Where the heck did they come from?! And why? I don't like the name Dialga and Naetle much.... -_- 69.141.15.35 16:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your examples, Naetle, Dialga, and Palkia...those are the official romanizations, meaning those are their official names. -Sukecchi 19:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: But those aren't the English names, right? Kochdude388 21:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, these are the Japanese names, once the English names are released, the Japanese names will be replaced with English. -Sukecchi 21:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: Should we put protection on this page?  There has been a lot of vandalism lately...partly by un-signed users.  Kochdude388  02:27, 17 November 2006
:No need, the IP and the apparent sockpuppet have been blocked. -- ReyBrujo 03:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aargh, he was the same person vandalizing in the middle of my first ever edit. (Yay for old memories!) I thought he had given up, although it doesn't matter with the block. -Amarkov blahedits 04:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection? 

message: why does it say umd? I can i take it out?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Foo12 (talk • contribs).
:It's Wikipedia. You can take anything out. And assuming that you tried to make sense there, you should. -Amarkov blahedits 14:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HEY HEY WHAT IS GOING ON? 

message: Where is the proof that the release date for canada is spring 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gulfrazthehunk (talk • contribs).
:Supposedly, Nintendo Power. I'm giving the guy a week to prove it, and then I'm removing it again. -Amarkov blahedits 16:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted it before I noticed this discussion. If it's true then add it back with a reference/citation, I guess. Tennis DyNamiTe (sign in) 00:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date?! (again) 

message: i don't edit any on wikipedia, and the page is semi-protected anyway, so i thought i'd call someone's attention to the vulgarity located above the heading "game play".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.96.81.253 (talk) 01:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been removed already, but thanks. -Amarkov blahedits 01:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  vulgarity 

message: Is this game going to be long, and hard? Or short, and easy? -- Dark Kirby5 03:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't the place for this. -Amarkov blahedits 03:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difficulty 

message: Will Pokemon Battle Revolution be its OWN game?  All it says is how it can communicate wirelessly with the DS and how good the graphics are, but will it be its own game like Pokemon Colleseum or XD Gale of Darkness? Gimme an answer! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.49.139.152 (talk) 13:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but this isn't the place to discuss it. -Amarkov blahedits 15:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where do we disscuse it? --Dark Kirby5 18:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

text: You discuss such things at a forum. Talk Pages are to be used for article discussion only. Not subject discussion. -Sukecchi 22:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Will Battle Revolution be its own game? 

message: does anyone know if its only for nintendo ds? will it work for game boy advanced?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.113.232.143 (talk) 19:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's only for DS. -Amarkov blahedits 19:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: only nintendo ds?

message: Thank God almighty, we finally have a (partial) release date. Now all those edit wars can stop. ShadowUltra 23:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You realize, of course, that now we'll get edit wars about which month. -Amarkov blahedits 00:49, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IS IT MAY? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.136.128.5 (talk) 23:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ah ha! It's April 22nd, '07. It was official for a couple hours so I'm just gonna stick my countdowns to go with that. =P Metnik 01:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FINALLY! 

message: So, can any of our japanese friends let us know how many pokemon are in D/P and which they are?
Specifically Gyrados. I must say, one of my favorite. Well, it is in the television report at the beggining so I kind of assume it'll be in this one. Metnik—The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 05:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number that will tell you this info.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 07:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah I noticed before I checked back here... I'm a noob. =P Metnik 01:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which and how many are there to catch? 

message: The game was announced for 2007,so it should be TBA 2007. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 167.102.161.90 (talk) 12:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was also announced for Spring recently. -Amarkov blahedits 14:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps if you followed the source you would see where. >_> -Sukecchi 20:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sooo...we can edit in April 22nd now, right?  Doesn't feel like fact unless it's on Wikipedia... Sir Chocobo 01:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because the source no longer says it. -Amarkov blahedits 01:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We're not allowed to include leaked information? ShadowUltra 22:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It may have been leaked but they may as well be thinking on another date. BDragon 23:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  Additionally, leaked or not, if there's no source given, there's no way it should stay. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 04:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For someone who wanted to cite: They REMOVED the date from www.pokemon.com, most likely because they weren't supposed to release the date yet, HOWEVER, this was taken beforehand by someone on serebii: http://i16.tinypic.com/29eru2x.jpg, secondly, you can tell this was the original text due to the fact there's STILL a grammatical error on www.pokemon.com. Which states: http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7041/dpky8.png "On this spring", instead of on april 22. Now, this was most likely to cover up their slip, due to the fact the released the pictures of Treecko, Torchic, AND mudkip, as well as professor birch BEFORE pocket monsters wanted them to when Ruby/Sapphire were coming out. Yes, these are screenshots, but there are hundreds of people scattered across various sites who all saw it say April 22, including the owners of Serebii. Gamefaqs only releases confirmed release dates last time I checked. Click on Pokemon Diamond, and it says release date: 4/22/07. Myzou 08:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we could find the Serebii thread in which that screenshot was posted (which, I recall, was one of many delighted threads that popped up around the same time), would that be notable enough to qualify as a source if something was written concerning the leaked date?  Because the fact that that date was up, even if only for a short time, is clearly notable.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.44.112.11 (talk) 14:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, but it isn't verifiable. Anyone can doctor a screenshot. -Amarkov blahedits 15:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an official press release now: http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=10827 ~e.o.t.d~ 18:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And Pokemon.com lists the April 22nd release date again now.  Twice, in fact, on the same page as before.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.44.112.11 (talk) 10:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What??! 

message: This is annoying, which one are we supposed to use now? -Amarkov blahedits 15:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I only see Sinnoh. Shinnoh must have been a typo. BDragon 17:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, it's gone now. -Amarkov blahedits 04:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  So now it's Shinnoh. 

message: I rather liked that Scizor animation! Why remove it? Metnik 01:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That question can be directed to the user LukeSurl. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 04:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that the previous animated Scizor image was easier for comparing the two genders. I suggest that we change it back, or at least make the current one animated like the other one was. -- WiiVolve 12:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who changed the Scizor animation? 

message: "(...)and challenge the sinister plot of Team Galactic?" Source: http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=10827
Should this info be included? BDragon 20:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That, I'm not sure of...It could just be a typo, or it could be the chosen English name for the organization.  Personally, I'd leave it as "Galaxy" in the article for now until another official source can confirm or deny, but that's up to everyone.~e.o.t.d~ 21:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is indeed an official source. If it's straight from Nintendo itself, it's official and deemed for inclusion within Wikipedia (as verifiable). - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 21:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team Galactic?? 

message: I noticed that some obvious vandalism has been carried out against http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl There is an image appearing over the text that mixes graphic nudity with quite a lot of blood. An ugly combo! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.132.107.207 (talk) 11:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where?  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 11:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it was vandalism of the  template (the one listing the games at the bottom of the page). It showed up on Torchic earlier too.-- M C Y 1008 11:33, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image vandalism 

message: Regarding this part:(*Names are from Japanese versions and may change before or at US release.)
It doesn't seem very necessary to me, and doesn't seem very professional. For example, we don't have articles like Naetle go like:Naetle* [blah, blah, blah] *Name is taken from the Japanese games and is likely to change before or at US release... and I don't think we need that here.
Would  work here? Or should we use what's up there now? Something else?-- M C Y 1008 03:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That template is supposed to supplant things like this, because people should know the article should change and all that. It's not a very professional footnote, and it's even tagged on copyrighted names. Not that it should matter, but do people need to be told these things? I doubt it's necessary. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 07:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: People should know? How do you figure? --WikidSmaht (talk) 11:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: In response to the Naetle thing, no, we don’t have that there, but we should. Maybe not( OK, definitely not) in asterisk-footnote form, but, since the games are now officially upcoming for English-speaking territories, and the info is mixed between officially revealed stuff for the U.S. and stuff taken from Japan, it IS indeed necessary that we clarify in every 4th-generation article that most info is taken from the Japanese version, and certain specific names are very likely to change before or during the local release. Remember, these articles are meant to be accessible to a layperson, NOT just to Pokémon fans and people who already understand the process of video game localization. Maybe a new template for foreign fiction undergoing translation/localization is called for. --WikidSmaht (talk) 11:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A special template for localisation... wouldn't be too bad if suggested in WP:CVG now, would it? - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 11:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea to me. Also, I've gone ahead and changed it to a reference instead of asterisk-footnote; feel free to change it back if necessary.-- M C Y 1008 13:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 23:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I've been told it's better fixed using the Future Game template. One peer reviewer doesn't find the reference usage necessary, and according to some people in the CVG discussions, localisation doesn't need a template. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 22:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought there was an objection that that template is inapporpriate because the game HAS been released in at least one territory? --WikidSmaht (talk) 02:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. If we're making chnges to the article further about information that changes, it'd still fit the bill for such a template. Perhaps WP:CVG/T can be further questioned about this. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 05:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: While noting that I believe "unreleased" is meant to cover the U.S. release, are we going to keep the footnotes? Funny how we only really have less than 3 months to keep them. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 06:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding names 

message: boxart for:
*diamond
*pearl
are they offical? Ragnaroknike 04:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm...they look legit except for one thing: "diamond" and "pearl", the name of the versions... shouldn't they be capitalized.  I mean, the other games had that, so...  Kochdude388 14:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they're mock ups...the font isn't the same as other games. -Sukecchi 02:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: There's no "Version".  Although that's usually not used in pure text, "Version" has appeared on every game logo.—ウルタプ 02:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: english artbox???

message: When I asked for sources for these new “official romanization”s that keep popping up, links like this and this are given, but, for me at least, those links produce nothing even vaguely resembling a source. I just see a bunch of random nonsense characters (no Japanese or English) followed by a button which links to this page in Japanese. --WikidSmaht (talk) 03:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I didn't understand until you brought it back to my attention. Anyway, typing the katakana of a Pokémon name at this site in the first field then hitting for a search should bring up a result then the romanised names. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 23:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Er, I'll elaborate those instructions a bit since I was lost.  Enter the katakana in the first help then click the upper-left button under the search fields (no, you can't just hit "Enter") then click the button right to the right of "検索結果 1件."  Note that it doesn't have EVERYTHING (Raibolt, for example).—ウルタプ 00:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I’ll try that, glad SOMEONE bothered to explain it. Is there a source available for the ones that aren’t there? --WikidSmaht (talk) 02:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  For those that aren't trademarked, remove them. It seems there aren't any particular names in the article that have that problem, so out of the 100 or so articles that don't have a trademark, they should be moved to their katakana romanisation. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 05:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Romanizations

message: Go to the official American site, click on the Diamond and Pearl section, and below the map is what could possibly be the official boxart and rating. Should we include these in the article? Blue Mirage | Comment 05:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait until we have something citable for the ESRB rating. As for the cover, I'll upload it as soon as the art goes on their press site; no sense using a low-res cropped Flash rip when the Japanese art isn't substantially different. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pokemon.com's also confirmed Dialga and Palkia as names - or at least, they don't have a little "Name tentative" footnote. Edit: I've removed the citation from this article saying that Dialga and Palkia are still tentative names, to be consistent with the name confirmation and Dialga and Palkia's articles.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.44.115.72 (talk) 16:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most likely the real names, since they have the TM symbol, meaning they have been trademarked. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.148.19.127 (talk) 18:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are official boxarts on Nintendo.com for both verisons, so if someone wants to put those up that would be cool, because i don't know how http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/ATE5SljowI5FF9BQtIIV4vVl6Zs1wYhA.jpg http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/pYxSdPa8arSKb8ZlYXP4ay07vfjQE6LM.jpg DSDark 01:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official boxart? Now? 

message:  and  do not state a source or rationale. Unless both of these are given, these images may be deleted. Hence, I've reverted to the last known versions that HAVE fair use rationale, a source and the appropriate boilerplate templates. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 23:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source and rationale problems with game boxarts 

message: there are official boxarts and the links are
http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/pYxSdPa8arSKb8ZlYXP4ay07vfjQE6LM.jpg
http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/ATE5SljowI5FF9BQtIIV4vVl6Zs1wYhA.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DSDark (talk • contribs) 01:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Official Boxarts 

message: Input - should the importance rating for this article be mid or high? Thanks. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest waiting for American release. We could set it to high and provide the rationale of being the highest-selling Nintendo DS game. Until the release, though, it can stay at "Mid" for WP:CVG as the real noteworthy stuff comes from Japan only right now. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 06:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Nintendogs is the best-selling Nintendo DS game, by more than five million copies. And even then, Brain Age, Mario Kart DS, Animal Crossing Wild World, and New Super Mario Bros. are ahead. - A Link to the Past (talk) 09:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm just saying, given its most successful launch in Japan (which made it a best-seller there), it'd possibly become one in the States. And if it does, then it'll become pretty important. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 10:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance

message: There are several referances in this game to another Gamefreak project, Pulseman. Should these referances be noted on this page? 147.133.207.72 04:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Information needs to be cited before they can be added. I've seen the references, and I'd add them, but there needs to be a reliable web page (it needs to be accredited, having enough credentials) that we can use before we place it on the page. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 09:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pulseman

message: Apparently the games are coming out around June/July, according to this source.
Now supposedly it's a Nintendo spokesman who's come out and said this, but I'm still skeptical as Nintendo of Europe has not yet announced this on their site (I did a quick search, nothing came up). Blue Mirage | Comment 15:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  And now a European release date? 

message: I am happy to say that this article has become a Good Article! It has met all the standards for a good article. Try to add more screenshots and increase the length of the article so it may reach featured article status. Funpika 20:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, from first glance, I'd say that it needs to be rearranged a tiny bit (the info about the gender differences should really go under the "Pokémon" section rather than "Gameplay", in my opinion), and that the "Pokémon" section should be a lot larger - maybe move a bit of the info over from the main Pokémon page's 4th gen section? I did some grammar work and sentence restructuring, by the way.  I might do some more tonight. ~e.o.t.d~ 02:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA passed 

message: I see no reason this should be removed from the dab notice. The term “Pokémon Diamond” was in use referring to this bootleg long before the DS was even created. It is a well-known fake, perhaps even one of the best-known examples of pirated software - certainly it is the most notable thing about Telefang itself, a cheap rip-off of the Pokémon concept. Since Pokémon Diamond redirects here( having briefly been a dab page), it is important that it be mentioned somewhere on this page. I don’t really see anywhere that it fits into the article, and I think we can all agree that putting it in a “Trivia” section is a bad idea. So what harm does it possibly do to have this legitimate other use disambiguated at the top of the page?--WikidSmaht (talk) 18:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you, the pirate should be mentioned. ~ Keiji (iNVERTED) (Talk | Contribs) 19:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I assume you have evidence that this particular bootleg is well-known. But, ha, when does that ever stop anybody? It is, simply because you believe so, right? I'm also not seeing this "consensus" you claim to exist. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 02:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue isn't about Telefang's notability, Apostrophe.  The games have their own page (which isn't even a stub), so apparently they're notable enough for Wikipedia.  The issue is about whether there should be a disambiguation at the top of this page that links to Telefang.  Since one of the bootlegged versions of Telefang is called "Pokémon Diamond", and since potential users looking for Telefang's article using that name will end up here instead of at Telefang, there needs to be a link at the top. It's not a question of whether Telefang is notable. The link is there to make people's Wikipedia searches easier, period. And since there's already the link to the D&P anime episodes up there, no one can use the "ugliness" argument (as if it were ever valid in the first place). ~e.o.t.d~ 02:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't even arguing notability at all. I'm arguing that the link is useless. On a tangent, the existence of an article does not inherently prove notability of the subject, and your ugliness strawman is akin to "It's already dirty, so who cares if it gets dirtier?" (besides the fact that looking appealing is clearly a goal for Wikipedia, what with the existence of grammar, section headers, images and a multitude of other features). Keep in mind that I wasn't arguing either one. I don't care about this any longer. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 03:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your comment above my last post is clearly disputing Telefang's notability. And the ugliness comment wasn't a straw man on my part, as I didn't assert that anyone had used it in this particular argument; I was saying that that argument holds no water, because with or without the Telefang disambiguation there's still some text up there (which, by the way, doesn't look bad to me at all). And while you have a point that Wikipedia should look as professional and clean as possible, function goes before form, and Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, and should act like one (e.g. directing users to relevant information). Your statement that the link is "useless" is irrelevant: it's personal opinion that has no bearing on the argument. ~e.o.t.d~ 05:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pokémon Diamond/Telefang

message: Originally, a sentence in the article read,
"Pokémon . . . produce new infantile species, such as Chansey who is preceded by Pinpuku and Mr. Mime by Mime Jr.."
The periods in abbreviations serve as the period at the end of a sentence (so this sentence would end in only one period), but I was having trouble deciding whether I should leave it linked or not.  Then I figured that some people might try to make the claim that the period in "Jr." is part of "Mime Jr."'s trademarked name and shouldn't be removed.  In any case, I'm making it a moot point and rearranged the sentence to avoid having "Mime Jr." at the end of the sentence:
"Pokémon . . . produce new infantile species, such as Mr. Mime who is preceded by Mime Jr. and Chansey by Pinpuku."
I'm just explaining this in case people looked at my edit and thought, "WTF!"  And I like explaining this stuff.  --Brandon Dilbeck 03:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explaining a tiny edit