Talk:Alicia Machado

message: In the summary of edit #743031096, user  claimed that the phrase «Machado has compared Trump's racism to that of Adolf Hitler» is in "Wikipedia's voice and a blp vio", meaning that it was not in the source, I just want to note —regardless of whether it is a BLP violation or not— that the second source given (the first link from Publimetro is dead), from El Nuevo Herald, do states that Machado «realized that his [Trump’s] levels of racism are quite similar to those of Hitler» (original: [Machado] «se dio cuenta que sus niveles de racismo son muy similares a los de Hitler.»). Nika de Hitch (talk) 16:21, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine.  Then put it back, but make it clear that it is Machado that is calling Trump's actions 'racist' and not Wikipedia. Marteau (talk) 16:29, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Publimetro colombia is not dead for me. If the link doesn't work try googling the html or title. NPalgan2 (talk) 19:21, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is basically hearsay and I don't see a reason to include it.Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:21, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why is it hearsay to cite Publimetro colombia and El Nuevo Herald repeating Machado's remarks to La Reforma, but OK for you to cite Washpo repeating what Trump said on Fox? NPalgan2 (talk) 18:39, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  La Reforma is not a reliable source, WaPo is, that's the difference.Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:34, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  La Reforma (just like El Nuevo Herald and Publimetro Colombia) is a RS (I checked before I inserted the quote). Do you just assume that any Spanish language source is a trashy tabloid?  NPalgan2 (talk) 20:46, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

text: That is out of context.  The article says, "But things did not stop there, as Machado said that Trump is a man with dark interests and that while she was in her year in office had to work with him and realized that his levels of racism are quite similar to those of Hitler...."  So the source says she says she realized.  BTW I do not know why this is hearsay, or what relevance that has to policy or guidelines.  Hearsay is second hand evidence.  For example, were Machado repeating what someone had told her about Trump rather than her direct experience that would be hearsay.  Hearsay is inadmissible in most circumstances in English courts, but Wikipedia rules of evidence do not rely on common law precedents.  In this case, Trump's counsel would be allowed to raise the question in cross-examination, if I remember my rules of common law evidence correctly.  TFD (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

text: * Publimetro: "Ojalá que la humanidad no permita que otra vez un Hitler vuelva a dominar el mundo, creo que ese señor sería capaz de hacer un nuevo holocausto una vez más", dijo la ex Miss Universo a diario La Reforma." A RS is quoting Machado directly and thus vouching for the fact that she said it. Wikipedia does not impose the strict rules of hearsay that law courts do, otherwise we could never cite everyday things like the NYTimes quoting a CNN interview. NPalgan2 (talk) 18:51, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Trump's racism" 

message: . DailyBeast is not a good enough source for a BLP. This is going to wind up at WP:AE if this continues. Please stop trying to use this article to attack the subject.Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:33, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, but's there's washpo and  RS spanish language sources. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/30/public-slut-shaming-and-donald-trumps-attack-on-a-former-miss-universitys-alleged-sex-history/ NPalgan2 (talk) 19:38, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  How is quoting things that a well known telenovela actress coordinating with the Clinton campaign has said in public an attack? The Joe the Plumber page has lots of his dumbest quotes. NPalgan2 (talk) 19:44, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So? Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:44, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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