Talk:Saw IV

message: Lionsgate announced this morning that after the opening box office weekend success of Saw III, that Saw IV will go into production and will most likely be schedueled for a Halloween 2007 release date, following a similar release date pattern to the previous Saw films.
Saw 4 will dig deeper into Jigsaw's insight on life and death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.99.215 (talk • contribs) 
:Source? JDoorjam     Talk 01:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (edit conflict)Nevermind, found my own: here's the AP saying Lionsgate is planning a fourth installment.  But there isn't even an IMDb stub.  I fully expect this topic will be article-worthy very very soon, but for now it's just a gleam in Lionsgate's eye.  Articles should not be written for movies that are simply speculated about, no matter how likely we believe their imminent production to be.  On the other hand, once this gets legs, BAM! the article will be good to go.  (Btw, please sign your posts with four tildes, thusly: ~~~~ .) JDoorjam     Talk 02:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw on CNN.com on October 29 ‘Lionsgate plans to have "Saw IV" in theaters over Halloween weekend next year.’ That there will be a fourth installment. I personally believe that the deletion of this page in the first place was premature. Although the movie was still under speculation, there was a huge amount of unofficial talk that Lionsgate was not denying. Just thought I would put in my two cents. --Dleav 14:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the creation of the page was premature, by your own admission. If you believe we should have articles about things "under speculation" based on "unofficial talk" then you do not have a full understanding of Wikipedia standards. Fan-1967 15:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lionsgate said that Saw IV is being made.  This is almost more detail than Star Trek XI.  --myselfalso 15:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but that's just ridiculous. Paramount has announced a production team, and has stated the movie is in production. There are writers and a director. By contrast, Lion's Gate has basically said "We'll make another one" with no further information of any sort. How is that "almost more detail"? Fan-1967 15:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Star Trek XI also has an IMDb entry, and even has a promo poster.  These are all excellent metrics for when Saw IV should have an article.  When the film has confirmed writers, a director, producers, an IMDb entry, and Gene Roddenberry has a credit for character development (ok, I'm flexible on this one), or at least a compelling mix of these elements, preferably with a confirmed cast, then that should be enough.  But Fan-1967 is right: "We'll make another one" is insufficient.  JDoorjam     Talk 18:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: True. Often IMDB will carry really tenuous projects that are way too unverifiable to meet Wikipedia standards. This one is so vaporous that it doesn't even meet IMDB's standards, such as they are. If it's in IMDB, it may or may not happen. If it's not even there yet, it hasn't gotten past the discussion stage yet. Fan-1967 23:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll notice I listed it as one among several criteria.  I would say we do give IMDb some repute, as we have this thing lying around and in wide use: .  But I think the three of us are basically groping the elephant here, and are saying the same thing: Saw IV needs more. JDoorjam     Talk 23:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually IMDB is actually listing it now as in production. --Zoiks 13:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB is also listing it now as starring Jessica Alba (yeah, right) and Goran Vischnic (however you spell his name). I think the nice people at the IMDB controls need to just press the self-destruct button and put themselves out of their misery. Mad Jack 00:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? Fascinating. That's the same alleged cast as "The Eye" () another film that has been making the rounds of the rumor mills. I think maybe IMDB's been punked. Fan-1967 01:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you surprised? The IMDB isn't that bad when it comes to most films that have already been made and released. But when it comes to upcoming movies, it's game over in terms of even mild reliability. Mad Jack 01:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, the elitism here is astounding. It's like I'm drowning in a festering pool of Tom Cruise-esque people. Also, here's my signature.136.176.84.103 23:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Elitism is bad, indeed. Vegetaman 03:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't it enough that the movie has been announced by Lionsgate that it will be released next fall. We now know it exists and the date of release. I will admit that there is nothing else confirmed, but I think it still merits it's own page.--Dleav 14:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Threshold For Article Recreation

message: When is this article available to create as there appears to be numerous sources cropping up stating the following Saw 4 and 5 releases.
*Stunning News! "Saw 4" Next October!
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:These all either reference the same article, or each other, or have no references at all.  When there are news stories or official press releases about the things we talked about in the previous thread, it will be time to unlock the article. JDoorjam     Talk 06:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Create Article 

message: Can some one delete that too? Mad Jack 05:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC
why delete it--AndySawFan 17:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because when a page is deleted the proper (only) way to recreate it under Wikipedia procedures is through Deletion Review, not sneak it back in under a different title. For that reason, your version, at Saw Sequel (2007) has likewise been tagged for deletion. Fan-1967 17:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Then find a fan forum. This isn't one. Fan-1967 18:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: We have nothing. If you honestly think the Sin City 2 article does not merit inclusion, feel free to run it through the process as I did for Saw IV. I'm not editing as much as I did when that happened, but if I happen to get a chance to review it and it appears to be unencyclopedic, perhaps I'll nominate it for deletion myself. As to Saw IV, the status of the project at the time of its nomination was that it was rumored. There is slightly more material about the project now, but I'd agree that it's not yet enough to unprotect the article name and allow for an article. Erechtheus 18:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and to repeat, the process for unprotecting is Deletion Review. All the discussion in the world on this page will not lead to its unprotection, and versions of the article under alternate titles will be deleted until a review determines that the article should be recreated. Fan-1967 18:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia e-penis is a bad e-penis. And stop coming down on IMDB so hard.136.176.84.103 23:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is more reliable than the IMDB at this point, mostly because here, unlike there, it only takes a second to remove wrong information. On the IMDB, it stays up for years and years and years.... Mad Jack 00:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Saw IV]]

message: Why are people so hesistant to allow people to create this article? We all know Saw IV will happen. Infact we have more proof a Saw IV will happen than a Jurassic Park IV will ever happen. -24.92.46.16 17:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why?

message: http://movies.ign.com/articles/745/745347p1.html
Lionsgate announced a release date of Oct 26, 2007
:Why would it be released on the 26th? Closest to Halloween would be the 27th, a Friday, the day that new movies are released in theatres... JackOfHearts 06:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You may want to look at your calendar again. In 2007, the 26th is a Friday. The 27th was Friday this year. Erechtheus 03:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I thought the pattern was going back one day from the release of the last. --Spencer "The Belldog" Bermudez  |  (Complain here) 11:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I figure it would be released closest to Halloween, the same as the rest... 24.71.118.12 02:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: imdb.com (specifically http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0890870/) states "Release Date:25 October 2007 (Australia)".  I tend to believe this as I watched the film in Australia when it was realeased here to the public on the advertised day of Thursday 25/10/07. 1dragon 13:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date Confirmed 

message: *Production begins: April 16
*To be released on: October 26, 2007
*To star: Tobin Bell
Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 07:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie Facts So Far 

message: I've just checked the Saw IV article page, and the cast has gone, so has some production information I uploaded yesterday (it was still there this morning). However there is no record of someone deleting this information? Does anyone know anything about it?
Can I revert it back to what it was like this morning? Movie Junkie 16:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. --Geniac 20:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ? Content Deletion ?

message: If they're making Saw IV, then doesn't that mean that Jigsaw is still alive?--71.50.86.66 22:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily. Plenty of ways to make a fourth film featuring Tobin Bell that doesn't involve him surviving his fate at the end of Saw III.--CyberGhostface 22:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um... 

message: "Jigsaw is back to 'haunt the living' in Saw IV. It follows on from Saw III, as Jeff (one of Jigsaws previous victims in Saw III) must find his daughter before its too late. He later finds out that it isn't over, as new pieces are added to the puzzle."This plot was taken from Bloody-Disgusting, which got it from Fearnet. If you follow their link to fearnet, you'll notice that they say that the plot was taken from IMDb, which thus far has been notorious for fake plots. I suggest this plot be removed. Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 23:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I'll remove it until a more verifiable source can back it up. It sounds like one of those fake summaries those anon morons keep on adding in here anyway.--CyberGhostface 01:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot... 

message: So, what the movie poster fake and therefore removed from the article? Or was it just removed for no apparent reason? Defunct Lies 16:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think some fan made it with photoshop.--CyberGhostface 19:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Movie Poster

message: Does anybody think that Shawnee Smith's character, Amanda will return? If Tobin Bell's character is, then she may aswell, right? I hope so cause I really like her! Chris024 06:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shawnee Smith

message: does anybody have an idea for when a offical storyline will be released? it should be at least close to finishing production by now 71.182.190.162 17:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 71.182.190.162's Comment

message: Hey, can an Admin possibly protect this page, because I think everybody is sick of reverting this "Yo mamma" person's vandalism.  Just thought I'd bring up.  JpGrB 22:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: Could someone please check to verify whether or not that poster with the skull is legit? --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 23:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The poster 

message: Is Jeff even going to be in this movie or what because the ending of Saw III said he would have to play a game and it mainly revolveded around him. I looked at the cast and he wasnt the re. Well if he isn't then I don't mind because I think bringing him into the series was a HUGE mistake. And that sucks Amanda is dead she was so cool!!
It would seem logical to begin the story with Jeff but not have him in for the whole story, as is the case at the start of Saw III with Eric appearing for a few minutes at the start and the end Windog 2008 15:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeff 

message: The current plot section, IMPO, looks a touch messy. I might want at some point to rewrite it quite a bit, primarily by replacing much of it with a cast list, as used on "The Dark Knight (film)", that would have the exact same information. Any objections? --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 22:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the article is fine as it is, it just needs to be grouped properly. For example, all the info on Jigsaw and his return and his character in general in one paragraph, stuff about traps and tests in another, another for characters confirmed to be returning and premiering, etc. Alot of info wouldn't fit in with a character list. Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 23:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At any rate, I would like to put the cast list into a text-list format used on other good film articles rather than the table we have now. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 17:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno, the text-version cast list on the Dark Knight page, as well as other movie pages, looks too cluttered, I think the cast-table is clear and simple, doesn't consume too much space... Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 16:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious rewrite 

message: I don't see why Jeff would be called Denlon. Lynn was the cheating Doctor so she used her maiden name (Denlon) as opposed to her husband's name (Reinhart).
Opinions?
: ViperBlade Talk!! 20:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ViperBlade Talk!! 20:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jeff Reinhart/Denlon

message: The IGN page has a poster up. Can anyone find out what it is or where it can be found? --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 02:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''''Another''''' poster 

message: On an episode of Entourage, Ari tells his wife that he was given the script for Saw IV to read. Can I add this to the article somewhere?
:How is it encyclopedic to the article?--CyberGhostface 20:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entourage 

message: Do we have enough support to put a spoiler alert-tag before the plot-section? With (supposed) details on certain characters, like Det. Matthews, it could be good to have. I'm not aware of how Wikipedia handles not 100% confirmed plot details, but I think people would feel spoiled knowing that Matthews didn't die, even if it's just a red herring.
Recent discussions concerning that template have ruled it obsolete it section explictly labeled "plot", "Synopsys" and the like. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 19:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler warning? 

message: Here is a Comic-Con 2007 Exclusive Video on Darren Lynn Bousman and Tobin Bell on Saw IV. Darren Lynn Bousman, during the interview, he mentions one of the props in the movie which one is called the "Knife Chair" but does not go into description about it.
IGN Today(August 21, 2007) Has released a Picture of the Knife Chair Itself or what looks most likely to be the Knife Chair 
*IGN New Saw 4 Picture
* Movie Web INTERVEIW: COMIC-CON 2007 EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Darren Lynn Bousman and Tobin Bell on Saw IV!  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mithos90 (talk • contribs). 
Some say 92, 95 or 108 We shall wait and see.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Braver01 (talk • contribs) 08:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knife Chair 

message: Before any sort of revert war starts, I would like to start a discussion on which of the two posters is more suitable for the page. Any comments? --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 21:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion I believe the severed head one looks better. If one is more definitive than the other, that'd be one thing, but if they're simply alternate versions then the original one should stay.--CyberGhostface 21:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I agree on the head, but why not do as the one edit had done, with adding the other poster somewhere (smaller) in the article as a released poster?  Just a suggestion.  JpGrB 21:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The head is only the UK poster, I think we should put up the other poster, which they officially released at comic-con... the head one is also already being used on the series page, and the "IV" poster ought to be used... Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 00:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't know. I think the non-body part posters do a better job of displaying the film's plot than the others. (And the last two DVDs combined both posters by using the transparent case). For example, Jigsaw in the red cloak is better representative of Saw III, then the shot of three teeth which was never used at all in the film. And the shot of Amanda in the bear trap is more representative of Saw than a severed hand. (If it was a severed foot that'd be another thing).--CyberGhostface 01:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They did that too. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 02:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the body part posters should be for the series page, let the other posters (Amanda Trap, Billy and Fingers, John in red cloak, and utensils) be used for the individual pages. Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 06:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poster 

message: there's no source cited for the unconfirmed cast of Cary Elwes Nico92400 20:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i love you.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.180.27.240 (talk) 00:26, August 20, 2007 (UTC) 
still no sources for Cary Elwes Nico92400 08:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cary Elwes 

message: IGN Today(August 29, 2007) has posted maybe the final Poster of Saw 4 before the actual release of the Movie on October 26th, 2007. Was Wondering if This Poster Would be added to the Article or voted upon the other Saw 4 Posters that have been released before this one?
IGN Quotes
:"Exclusive: See the final poster for the upcoming horror sequel, only at IGN!"
*Final One-Sheet: Saw IV Poster
--҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 00:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On The bottom of the Poster It has almost the Whole crew from the film listed....is it possible to get more information from the credits on the bottom of the poster and add them to the article as unconfirmed or confirmed in some cases like some character roles and etc.? --҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 05:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Final Poster 

message: A few things from that trailer should probably be mentioned in the article. If not here, then perhaps in the List of traps in the Saw film series. I noticed the following new things:
# New look at the knife chair
# A man (who's wearing VERY similar clothing to Jeff) and a woman tied together with chains
# A fat man in what looks like a head crushing device
# Man in a blue and white striped (bloody) shirt in chains
# The "I'm sorry" probably from Jill for what she made Jigsaw do (i.e, because of her he tried to kill himself and failing, and therefore becoming Jigsaw and making people appreciate life)
# The quote "You think it is over... but the games have just begun".
# Rigg being captured/kidnapped/surprised
: ViperBlade Talk!! 22:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ViperBlade Talk!! 17:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

text: ViperBlade Talk!! 10:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The teaser trailer 

message: Unless there is a reputable website that discusses the possibility of these people being in the film, the section needs to be removed. I mean, technically, Julia Roberts is an unconfirmed cast member, President Bush is an unconfirmed cast member, and I'm an unconfirmed cast member. Either source it, or it shouldn't be there. AniMate 22:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ViperBlade Talk!! 22:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unconfirmed cast members 

message: I think we could put Eric Matthews in the confirmed cast members, i have a source that said he was saw in the studio when they were filming  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astra Fan (talk • contribs) 18:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GAGETFUSION "Why was Obi in the Jill flashback in Saw III? We are trying to create a WORLD and a myth within the SAW films... think of them as a universe... Everyones interconnected somehow... Including OBI..."
Does That mean OBI is officially in Saw 4? Or do we need a better source than the Director telling us himself over a fan board? Just wondering before I ask can we add him to the confirmed list of actors.
*Darren Bousman Answers To Your Questions 
*'Saw 4' to Begin Shooting in April, Whannell Speaks! --҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 15:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: confirmed cast members

message: Shouldn't the article be protected? Zenlax 1:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly, the vandalism for Saw III was much heavier and for all the countless times I asked for it to be protected, all I got was a shrug and was told to simply revert any vandalism. You can try requesting it but a lot of admins are lax about this.--CyberGhostface 19:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks, that'd be great. And (if you weren't aware of it yet, although you probably are) there is a page where people can request protection.--CyberGhostface 17:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: I wanted to make a "Promotional" section for the six new images and obviously the other promotional media but I'm a little pressed for time.
Anyone wish to take a stab at it for me!?
: ViperBlade Talk!! 11:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are these new promotional pics? ≈ The Haunted Angel 18:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: ViperBlade Talk!! 19:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Six (extremely interesting) new promotional shots

message: There were four pictures on officialsaw.com last night labeled "Fisk" and I saved them and posted them here, but you removed them immediately and when I got on Official Saw this morning theyd been removed their too??? So here they all are and can u please put them on the saw 4 page or tell me why u cant
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5742/fiskhg6.jpg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.5.56 (talk) 03:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ViperBlade Talk!! 15:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Pictures

message: I have just been to the forums on rotten-tomatoes, and one person there claims to have already seen a low quality german version of saw IV. He says Laura (from saw II) faked her own seizure, and is actually Jigsaw's daughter, and that Amanda was her older sister. He also goes on to say that the families from everyone in Saw 2 will be tested. I believe that this is a fake, as do many of you, but if by any chance you find out any more info regarding this, please let me know. Any comments? I needa change  —Preceding unsigned comment added by I needa change (talk • contribs) 00:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fake, but of course noone on the internet ever tells lies to decive people into beliving things... REexpert44 16:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Sounds too ridicilous to take any seriously. And there's no way that Amanda could be Jigsaw's daughter unless neither of them knew about it, as in Rebirth he speaks of her in his own private thoughts and gives no indication of any prior relationship. Obviously Amanda views John as a father figure of sorts, but I don't think the parentage is in anyway biological. It sounds really, really farfetched.--CyberGhostface 22:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Low Quality German Video?

message: didn't jigsaw die in saw 3?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.82.78.103 (talk) 02:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and he's still dead in IV. Read the article.--CyberGhostface 02:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Part 4 is composed of flashbacks, which take place DURING part 3.
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 16:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wth? 

message: http://movies.break.com/saw4/trap.html I found this when reading the Bloody-Disgusting article about the recent videos that have appeared. I have only found one combination, 1026, that does something other than say incorrect. Lets try to find out the real combo if there is one. --Connerr 23:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saw IV Lock 

message: New Pictures Posted up on Bloodydisgusting
Two More Stills From 'Saw IV' Display the Pain!
Could this be used to describe the article about Cecil and her trap more? --҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 23:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as you just describe the event as its shown without any speculation, of course you can.--CyberGhostface 01:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Pictures 

message: nice theory, but in saw 3 you actually see john putting amanda in a trap. 209.247.5.60 08:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ViperBlade Talk!! 10:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toronto Saw IV Screening 

message: wouldent see a guy with a camera crew filming him?? lol but did anybody firgure out the clue? i think one of the main themes is going to be "see what i see"Acdcfanactic727 20:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  If you saw what he see's

message: The film is really 107 minutes long according to http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=saw4.htm and http://www.fandango.com/sawiv_103184/movietimes?wssac=58&wssaffid=11481_REGWebsite  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donutin (talk • contribs) 14:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time length 

message: anybody know where i can see the new trailer where it shows the scene from the first film when Adam and Dr. Gordon discover that the saws were there to cut their own feet?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Braver01 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  new trailer of the film 

message: This is pretty random, but is it just me, or is the slogan on the posters remind you of Admiral Ackbar's saying, "It's A Trap"! 24.176.198.29 02:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah , this should be included in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.199.2 (talk) 14:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It Really Shouldn't.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xchiodosx (talk • contribs) 20:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Admiral Ackbar

message: Obi was not in Saw IV, as well as a few characters that were slated to be in the film. (i.e., Corbett Reinheart, etc.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.179.29 (talk) 10:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Obi/Various Characters

message: I'd just like to mention that the plot summary currently on the article, as of 10/26 11:09 PST 
is very unprofessional sounding. It looks like it was written by a 15 year old in an Instant Messaging coversation to a friend, complete with typos and the author's own opinions (e.g. "thats gross, btw"). Could someone please rewrite this (and add a spoiler template) so we have a clear and easy to read plot of this great movie?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.164.105 (talk) 18:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the spoiler tag. But the plot, someone else would have to work on that. Cause I haven't seen the film. So..... --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: If this is true, then the information before it, should be re-added. But again, I haven't seen the film. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Only the plot section should be re-added, until someone who has seen it can add the material up to Wikipedia standards. JpGrB 19:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I have realized it was changed.  Thank you.  JpGrB 19:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Darkwarriorblake. If I were you, I'd go around, and start updating any Saw IV related articles. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The List of Saw characters. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I'm 16, and I say that was a horrible writing job.  I'm sorry, but I believe if you cannot write up to your grade level, and, more importantly, Wikipedia's standards, you shouldn't write for Wikipedia.  JpGrB 21:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Very Unprofessional Plot Summary

message: I realize the film just came out, but I've noticed several discrepencies.  Maria is KILLED, not subdued, the fact Rigg puts Ivan in his trap isn't mentioned, Perez was not poisoned, she just had shards of puppet embedded in her face. Also, the tense changes throughout the article--which may become confusing to readers.68.117.23.170 23:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
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68.117.23.170 23:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurasies? 

message: It's too long and detailed, it has to be shortened, and a spoiler tag should be placed at the begining. --VorangorTheDemon 00:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it is too long, but the spoiler is not needed.  And I would rewrite it, but, as odd as it sounds, that would require me to read it, which I won't do yet.  (As I have not seen the movie.)  JpGrB 00:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, it's a synopsis, so it shouldn't have every detail.  But as I said earlier, I have not yet seen the film.  So, I understand if you do not take my opinions, I'm just saying based off of other movie articles I've seen and partially been apart of.  JpGrB 01:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot Summary

message: Note: Don't read if you do not want a Saw 4 plot element to be spoiled. This is probably more related to Saw 3, but I thought I would have posted it here since I have learned it from Saw 4. Everybody remembers when Kerry was in the angel trap? If you remember that, I'm sure you remember that Kerry (close to her death) looks up and says "you" before she dies. In the Saw 3 article it states that she saw Amanda. However, we learn in Saw IV that Forensic Hoffman was helping out Jigsaw and Amanda in the time period of Saw 3. So is it beyond possibility that Kerry looked up and saw Forensic Hoffman and not Amanda?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by I needa change (talk • contribs) 04:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Towards the end of Saw III, the person she looks up at is revealed to be Amanda - I think it's safe to assume Amanda was making the traps that were impossible to escape from, or else the traps throughout Saw IV (such as Art's trap) would also have be inescapable. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 20:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another question, I hate myself for posting it here, but I don't want to venture to fan boards. Anyone know what the glass case was sposed to be for? Jigsaw had a cover over it, freaked out when Jill went to touch it. It was revealed but never used. Why not cut that out if they cut out that scene later in the movie? Or will it come up again in V and VI? Mientkiewicz5508 21:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Was that trap with the Glass cut out of the final movie? put posted up on the Internet as a teaser? It was mention on the Traps article. --҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 21:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing it will be used in later films, I doubt something that significant was cut out, only to appear on the DVD version or something. I hate to be a kill-joy though, as I could debate Saw until I died of starvation, but I'm afraid these talk pages are only for dicussion about the article itself, not the subject. Sorry if it appears that I'm telling you to bugger off, because I'm trying to avoid that, I just need to inform you that (as much as I love discussing Saw, as I said) it's rather off-topic chat. Sorry! ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 21:21, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Is there a cited reference the can comfirm that this was the first test to prove if it was Zepp inside the Glass boxed trap? --҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 17:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Important Question

message: I think the user ratings from rottentomatoes.com should be posted in the reception section, but the rules basically say not too. So what is it? I had readded it before, then saw that the rules say not too. But User:Wikirocks2 undid it. Drew 23:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: User Ratings

message: What is the point of the "Plot production" section anyway? It's all moot now that's the film's been released. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 00:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "plot production"?! 

message: In one of the opening scenes, Rigg bursts through a door to find Kerry in the impossible trap. This is a clear indicator that this scene occurs before / during the events of Saw III. However, while discussing the trap, the detectives mention Amanda as the one setting it up, but then rule her out. How do the detectives know about Amanda at this point in time? 24.119.117.120 12:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, this has been pointed out. Also, its not like anyone could have told them that Amanda made it; everyone who knew that are dead.--CyberGhostface 14:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot hole? 

message: After reviewing the movie for the umpteenth time, i'm sorry to say that the door DOES close after jigsaw is killed, because Agent Strahm has to open the door to get in there. The only part that truly make no sense is that jeff was holding a gun when strahm got in there, instead on the saw that he cut jigsaw with, unless he picked up Amanda's gun after the door closed and we couldn't see him...
but in conclusion, the door did close. it appears that the door locks from the inside and can be accessed from the outside(like a meat freezer door), unless locked from the outside(which hoffman did upon reclosing the door)
216.141.228.112 15:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PLOT PROBLEMS? 

message: I was wondering if it would be alright to add a dvd section to the Saw 4 page with the following information? - "The Saw IV DVD is expected to be released in both rated and unrated editions on January 22, 2008." - here is where I got the information from (sourcing) - http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/saw-iv.html - does anyone have anny comments on adding this new section? - RVDDP2501 (talk) 16:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would this "Directors Cut" version of Saw IV the final DVD release of this year? Like the past Saw films the final version of the uncut unedited film special editions comes out around October Like the Tuesday before Halloween. Would this film be the same case this year or it would different seeing that Saw V will have a 50 50 chance to come out this year or next year seeing they use the previous film to be released on DVD around that time? Its something that should be mentioned in the article also. --҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 03:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Ah thanks. It needs to be cited that another version of the film is coming out around that time to let the readers of the article know that this isnt the final version of the film. Till then Ill wait to buy the DVD till this October. --҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 23:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  new section - dvd release 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Saw4final.jpg

message: Yeah, sorry, I don't understand this. Why didn't Rigg help her? I know he was TOLD not to help her, but why not? What would have been the consequences if he helped pull out the last rod and unlocked her? 75.75.110.235 (talk) 07:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Save as I save

message: I've been reverted a couple of times now (without any comment whatsoever) by an anon editor after I changed "Critics gave the film mixed reviews" to "Critics gave the film mostly negative reviews".    It seems obvious to me that the reviews of this film are mostly negative, and cannot reasonably be described as "mixed". Am I missing something here, or should I ask for semi-protection of the page if this continues? --Conti|✉ 18:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mixed reviews? 

message: The UK DVD release at Blockbuster was today - special promo box versions were available. One had a hologram (I think) with a 3D=like image of the evil puppet. The other one had two gimmicks - press a button and you heard the 'I want to play a game' warning plus you could watch a circular saw inside whizzing round inside. Irresistible.
IMHO it's a great addition to the Saw genre.
Royzee (talk) 20:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK DVD 

message: "Critics gave the film mostly negative reviews"
but the movie was #1 the release week !!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nico92400 (talk • contribs) 08:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What has that to do with the view of the critics? Lots of critically acclaimed movies don't make a lot of money, and vice versa. --Conti|✉ 14:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  yes but there's a huge divergence between people and critics, i don't know if it's good or wrong  but that questions about the criterions of what a good film is.Nico92400 (talk) 17:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: I disagree with the article's statement that Cecil failed to pass his test.  Cecil has to push his face through knives, having been told doing so will release himself from the chair he is sitting on.  He pushes, and as a result the chair falls to pieces.  He shows his eagerness to live is greater than his need to keep a pretty face.  Does anyone disagree before I change the article Kev (talk) 22:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I do and so does the screen shot which shows the wrist restraints still in his arms and (IIRC) the film commentary that says the chair collapsed. He may have attempted the test but it collapsed before he completed it Agent452 (talk) 22:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cecil's Test 

message: Riggs doesn't pull out the final rod from the lady, he gives her his coat and tells her that she has to do it herself. In fact, the spear that shoots across the room and kills the photographer was meant to kill the woman had he tried to remove the rod himself. I'm gunna put this in the article, if anyone objects, feel free to remove it. SonicNiGHT (talk) 15:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is untrue, SonicNiGHT.  The rod that shoots across the room was not meant to kill the woman, and yes, Rigg does pull the final rod out of her, but only in the Unrated edition of the movie.  It was removed from the theatrical edition.
MaximumMadnessStixon (talk) 19:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Iron Rod Trap

message: There's no longer "list of trap of saw movies" page. It's sad. Nico92400 (talk) 15:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traps 

message: I've noticed the page is missing all sections beneath the 'DVD and Blu-ray release' section. If there is any way to fix this, how? ObsessiveJoBroDisorder (talk) 3:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hard revert, which I have done. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken care of it, while re-adding the updated versions.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 21:09, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing lower sections 

message: While I understand that fans of the film are the most likely to be editing the page, the selection of review quotes seems somewhat biased. After noting that Rotten Tomatoes gives an 18% fresh rating, considerably more space is given to positive reviews of the film than negative. In all honesty, I think there are just too many review quotes here anyway. We can start to improve the section by cutting out a lot of those positive ones.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Howfar (talk • contribs) 21:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there was only one more positive review than negative, so I added a negative review to balance it out.--CyberGhostface (talk) 17:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weight given to positive reviews 

message: Even though it has too much detail, it is incorrecting in placing the flashback told by Jill together - they come in stages. -- Beardo (talk) 04:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Plots are not blow by blow accounts. The order is unimportant, that there are a few flashbacks scattered throughout the film does not mean we scatter them in the summary. Darrenhusted (talk) 11:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot  

message: Is this a midquel or a sidequel? Isn't it a sidequel because it takes place at the same time as Saw III?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.173.3 (talk) 07:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Midquel 

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