Talk:Vili and Vé

message: This should probably be moved to Odin, Vili and Ve or similar, because any discussion of Vili and Ve will actually be a discussion of that triad. dab (𒁳) 14:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move?

message: Is it me, or did I miss the references in this article? Is the alliteration in proto-norse an accepted fact, or is it original research? Likewise, the references to the Exeter book strike strongly of original research — the entire Exeter book is alliterative, so it's no surprise to find a sentence with Woden which alliterates with other Ws. Emendations to suit a theory are generally highly discouraged in Old English studies.Martin Turner (talk) 23:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your criticism is valid and I tend to find that Wikipedia has a very severe problem with such original research in these areas. References, people - solid, referable, reputable references! If you can correct it, you are most welcome to. :bloodofox: (talk) 12:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

text: While I am not completely certain about the alliteration in Proto-Norse, it did alliterate in Proto-Germanic. I've added a citation to Simek that roughly states such, but the the line likely needs to be rewritten. My current revision adds links to Wiktionary as well. Yugure (talk) 03:27, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

text: Hi , thank you for the sources. I didn't question the existence of alliteration in Old Norse, but rather the fact that Simek talks about the alliteration of Óðinn–Vili–Véi in Proto-Norse in his book. I cound't find this passage in the book (I only have the German edition, of which I possess a searchable pdf as well). I have restored that part of the article with a  tag. Alcaios (talk) 18:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You did not do anything wrong. Information that is not referenced can be removed, but it is better now that you have added a failed verification tag.--Berig (talk) 18:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Having a closer look, I see that the "Proto-Norse" forms are incorrect. For instance, there is no nominative ending in Wódin. It would have been *Wódinaz or *WódinaR. Proto-Norse was an archaic form of Germanic with small differences from reconstructed Proto-Germanic.--Berig (talk) 11:35, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I see that the Germanic tradition of alliterating personal names has been questioned here. Here is a source on the Anglo-Saxon tradition of alliterating personal names in a family: 
*Gelling, M., Signposts to the Past (2nd edition), Phillimore, 1988, pp. 163–4.
I believe this source has some information about that too:
*Peterson, Lena (2002). "Developments of Personal Names from Ancient Nordic to Old Nordic". In Bandle, Oskar; Elmevik, Lennart; et al. (eds.). The Nordic Languages: An International Handbook of the History of the North Germanic Languages. 1. Walter de Gruyter. pp. 745–753. ISBN 3-11-014876-5. p. 750.
The tradition of alliterating family names in Northern Europe is fairly well-known. It seems a bit obvious that three names that would have alliterated in Proto-Norse would follow this tradition too.--Berig (talk) 17:33, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , thank you for the sources. I didn't question the existence of alliteration in Old Norse, but rather the fact that Simek talks about the alliteration of Óðinn–Vili–Véi in Proto-Norse in his book. I cound't find this passage in the book (I only have the German edition, of which I possess a searchable pdf as well). I have restored that part of the article with a  tag. Alcaios (talk) 18:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You did not do anything wrong. Information that is not referenced can be removed, but it is better now that you have added a failed verification tag.--Berig (talk) 18:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Having a closer look, I see that the "Proto-Norse" forms are incorrect. For instance, there is no nominative ending in Wódin. It would have been *Wódinaz or *WódinaR. Proto-Norse was an archaic form of Germanic with small differences from reconstructed Proto-Germanic.--Berig (talk) 11:35, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Alliteration in personal names