Talk:Bamboo-copter

message: The caption doesn't state whether this photograph shows vintage "bamboo-copters" or modern reproductions. 217.155.20.163 14:14, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: The article totally strays. It is just an uncorroborated hypothesis that the contraption described by this Ge Hong was something akin to a "bamboo dragon". The quoted passage is mumbo jumbo (it talks about dragons and oxen), and you cannot seriously contend you can get a clear picture of what kind of device this was. It's totally misleading to have this text right next to the modern-day toy shown next to it. As one will notice in the photo shown, the toy is not just two flat blades on a stick; it has its blades shaved in such away so that they are alternatingly beveled, and have a twisted helical shape (probably deriving the idea from modern propellers). And the device in Ge Hong's text is not made of bambooo. This whole chunk should be moved to a subsection or another article. Kiyoweap (talk) 18:20, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The current article focuses upon history because many reliable sources discuss it. If you like, you could move this material into a History section and start some other suitable sections. Needham's Science and Civilisation in China is highly respected, and many references cite this Baopuzi hypothesis for the earliest historical record. If you can find some contrary mumbo-jumbo sources, please include them to improve balance. Keahapana (talk) 21:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strayed article 

message: I also have issues with the naming. First of all how accepted a naming is "Bamboo-copter"? I believe this is a direct translation of a fictional device take-copter (basically looks like a take tombo stuck on a beanie hat, enabling wearer to fly) featured in the Japanese manga and anime Doraemon. This animation has been quite popular among the Chinese, and is known by such names as Shao Ding-dong (and otherwise known as the mechanical cat 机器猫).  </br>
I did come across the following passage: "bamboo dragonfly (chu chhing-thing).. in 18th-century Europe it was known as the 'Chinese top' and was simply an axis bearing radiating blades set at an angle" (Historica, vol.17, p.284).
I also have my doubts that "bamboo dragonfly" (zhuqingting) is the traditional Chinese name for such a toy, and suspect this is just a translation of Japanese name.  Kiyoweap (talk) 18:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we should change the title if there's a more common English name. Based upon WP:UCN, what word would be better? We can tell from Needham's peculiar "chu chhing-thing" romanization that Historica is citing SCC. I'm not a native speaker of Chinese, but zhuqingting 竹蜻蜓 is the zh.wikipedia title and Google finds 4,070,000 ghits for "竹蜻蜓". Keahapana (talk) 21:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

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