Talk:Tugs (TV series)/Archive 1

message: The Ferry in the series - is it spelt Fulton or Fultan - I can't remember!
:It is spelt Fultan. Thehalford 05:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fultan or Fulton? 

message: What's happened to the clearwater forums? They've just disappeared....
:Clearwater Features Forum was deleted by a Proboards glitch. Big Mac, the admin, quickly set up the New Star Tugs Pier to house the Tugs DVD Campaign. It will take a while to get it back to what Clearwater was, but we're well on our way. :) Thehalford 05:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Clearwater Forums ??? 

message: I have been editing the episode guide frequently over the last few days such that Regatta/4th of July is the final episode. I stress that the order listed is based off video releases and not what it would logically appear to be. As such, could everyone not change the order in the episode guide until it is verified by a crew member (which seems unlikely) . Thank you. Thehalford 20:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I was quite relaxed, thank you. I can't say I agree with your point of view though - Jack isn't mentioned by name in Bigg Freeze, just shown as a random crane that happens to be a face. In any event, like I say, the order IS immaterial, but I personally prefer it with Regatta as the last episode is the others remain as is. We could go through each episode and figure it out, but that would hardly be worth the effort. And consider this - is Grampus seen as a Star Sub at any stage? Not to my knowledge, so introducing him as the fnal Star member would also be an appropriate way to end the series. To be honest, the more I think about it, the more I'm certain Regatta IS the final episode. Thehalford 02:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I know Big Mac quite well as a mate (and as a moderator on the new STP). There was a fairly sizeable discussion on this topic on the old Clearwater as well. There was a lot of info there that caused food for thought - like you say, we could go for ages about this. Nothing new has surfaced recently about the series though, unfortunately... Just on the ep list - probably getting rid of the 'order' proper would be a good idea, although there are some indisputable facts - High Tide before Munitions, Quarantine before ghosts, Trapped before Up River etc. This is one of the things in which we both think we're right but it doesn't much matter. Thehalford 02:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Unfortuantely I don't have any photos available for uploading - nor the know-how. But if you join the Star Tugs Pier forum at http://startugspier.proboards53.com  you will see many others who enjoy the series. As for the 'contacting cast members' issue - we have tried, but unfortunately it seems there's little hope. Thehalford 01:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

text: To be fair, Big Mac has a fair bit on his plate. If you have a issue with the forum, you should email him about it, not whinge on a public forum. I can't allow members in myself - oonly he has that power. f you give me the name you registered as, I'll look into it for you. It's the most I can do. Thehalford 21:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Guide 

message: Hello theHalford (and anyone else who would be generous to contribute), just wondering, unfortunatly my computer is fairly full on memory, but perhaps a couple of photos would help make the page look nicer (ie the Seven Star Tugs posing in Up River or Ten Cents in the beginning credits with the logo maybe) thankyou. Foxearth 04:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortuantely I don't have any photos available for uploading - nor the know-how. But if you join the Star Tugs Pier forum at http://startugspier.proboards53.com  you will see many others who enjoy the series. As for the 'contacting cast members' issue - we have tried, but unfortunately it seems there's little hope. Thehalford 01:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

text: To be fair, Big Mac has a fair bit on his plate. If you have a issue with the forum, you should email him about it, not whinge on a public forum. I can't allow members in myself - oonly he has that power. f you give me the name you registered as, I'll look into it for you. It's the most I can do. Thehalford 21:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: Hello, figured out how to download photos to the articles! Hopefully this means the TUGS articles can soon be expanded (the character ones at least - so all characters have pics of their own), maube we shoould have some kind of table with the characters, some thing like this for example, if we were to use Ten Cents:
*Name: Ten Cents
*Stack No: 1
*Fleet: Star Fleet
*Vessel Type: Harbour Switcher
*Characteristics: Cheeky, lovable young tug, with little experience. Ten Cents is headstrong and willing to listen. Mainly works with Sunshine.
*Voiced by: Simon Nash (rumoured)
Let me know anyway Foxearth (UTC)
:That's a good idea. I think if wedo that for every character it might make the page a bit too long. I'd prefer a new article - something along the lines of 'List of Characters in TUGS' with a picture and a small bit on each of them. I'm certainly not disagreeing though. :) Thehalford 21:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just as an update, Ten Cents, Big Mac, OJ and Top Hat pages all have new pics on them. Sadly, I couldn't get the template I made to work, hopefully a bit of tinkering around should sort it out, however hopefully I can get all relevant pics. Do you think the main page is in need of more photos? Let me know and I'll sort it out Foxearth 12:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I'm a bit late - that looks great! I don't think the main page needs too many photos. Maybe just one of all the stars, one of all the Z-Stacks, something like that. Good work. Thehalford 22:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion on the articles

message: Hi, I have a question; if by some kind of miracle TUGS gets on DVD, could someone please see if the top dogs of the forum could try to include an American English Soundtrack for the episodes (so that the characters speak Bronx and New Jersy instead of Liverpudlian and Glaswegian)? Not to say that I'm not for authenticity, but I think that some American children might have a little bit of trouble understanding the thick British (even I had trouble when I watched High Tide on YouTube). Thanks a lot!68.151.106.239 21:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm...I think that it would be pretty hard to implement, all things considered. It's an interesting idea, but America has already tried to use US voices in the show (in the abomination that was Salty's Lighthouse :P). I wouldn't be averse to it, but I don't think it would be a likely event if the series gets put on DVD. Thehalford 02:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I knew about Salty's Lighthouse; I considered it because the TUGS episodes on Salty's Lighthouse were like TTTE (really short, like five minutes). On TV.com, I typed in Salty's Lighthouse and found 24 episodes. That's almost twice as many episodes as TUGS, and Salty's Lighthouse just isn't the same (the whole animated stuff with the weird kid and the lighthouse bulb took up most of the episode). Also, the TUGS segments in Salty's Lighthouse were all stock footage from various episodes; for all we know, the American producers may have created all new plotlines, and dumbed the show down which may explain TUGS unpopularity in the US.Ohyeh 16:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's important to remember that although TUGS is dark and mature, it's a children show just like TTTE, Theodore Tugboat, or anything else that you see on YTV or PBS. We might be able to understand the thick accent, but some four-year-olds (forgive me if I sound insulting) might not.ohyeh 11:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: And about the synching and stuff; in my little mind it seems pretty easy to do: mute out the original UK, and with the UK muted record the episode with US voices. TUGS might sound pretty sound with US voices; I can just see OJ with Dean Jones' voice, Alec Baldwin doing Top Hat, George Carlin as Captain Star and Big Mac, Oprah as either The Duchess, Princess Alice, or Vienna...in my opinion it all adds up in American!:)Ohyeh 11:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Another thing important to remember is that Salty's Lighthouse pretty much used stock footage from various episodes, making it possible for several of the thirteen episodes ( High Tide, Munitions, etc) to be sliced, diced and rewritten into another episode with a new plot, giving the American producers the capability to water down and simplify the program. That whole theory, along with the pathetic cartoon plotline, probably explains why TUGS was so unpopular in America. Who wants to see simple 2d cartooning mixed with state-of-the-art RC animation that it so simple it even bores its target audience? In my opinion, TUGS would have been a lot more sucessful in America if the US producers had sticked with the original 13 episodes.Ohyeh 18:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: For more reasons on this, please see the Salty's Lighthouse article. It is greatly expanding, and given information will further my plea for an American Soundtrack of pure TUGS, not that childish garbage of Salty's lighthouse.Ohyeh 16:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Soundtrack 

message: It says in the trivia section that at least three Star Tugs, O.J., Top Hat, and Hercules have appeared in TTTE. I know that O.J. appears in Peter Sam and the Refreshment Lady, but what about Top Hat and Hercules? And what happened to Ten Cents, Sunshine, Big Mac, and Warrior? Are they rotting away somewhere?Ohyeh 16:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure about Top Hat & Hercules, either.  I suppose, unless we have core evidence of it, we should delete that.Rusty5 23:37, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I recall Chris Tulloch stating that the models were all put in a closet, so apparently some of them got to Ms. Allcroft. It's also possible that we we see in Thomas is actually based on the Tugs models, but not the originals... Rusty5 23:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Is it possible that Ten Cents, Sunshine, Big Mac and Warrior are heavily redone and remodelled to portray the tugs from Theodore Tugboat? When you think about it, most of the tugs have the same body features (George looks very much like Top Hat if you eliminate the latter's rising neck)Ohyeh 00:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions 

message: If there would be a Season 2 produced in tugs, maybe Captain Star and Captain Zero will be seen without microphones for the first time and Captain Zero would have two more tugs called Zeus (No. 6) and Zeke (No. 7), so that Captain Zero will have seven tugs as well as Captain Star. Felix 19:40, 10 August 2006
That's fan fiction. Don't fantasize because TUGS has been dead for 16 years, there's no chance of a second series comeback, because it's too obscure a show to get publicity (if say The Herbs or Bagpuss, or other well known shows were being resurrected they're more likely to be recognized). Times have moved on and TUGS has been forgotten, it was a fantastic concept but other programs would overshadow it (ttteaf and theodore tugboat per say). On another note, you've never replied to the messages I sent to your talk page Foxearth
I meant if there were a second season, Captain Zero will have Zeus and Zeke so his Z-Stack Fleet had seven tugs like the Star Fleet. Felix 12:07, 11 August 2006
No they wouldn't. It's fan fiction. Go away for christ's sake you always do this! THERE WILL BE NO SEASON 2. Get used to the idea. Stop fanatasizing and get into the world of reality! Foxearth 01:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 2 

message: The current pages are a big improvement on what Tugs had before, but there are some points I'd make.
1. The writing style is often unnecessarily elaborate. For instance, the article on Ten Cents includes the sentence, "He is very much willing to set aside his own safety for the sake of others, but always remains level-headed when undergoing a strategy." I suspect the writer means "undertaking a strategy," which makes far more sense. Another example was when Mighty Moe was described as having a "crane-horse" - it's a hawser. There are countless other instances of language being misused, largely through contributors trying to incorporate words they don't really understand. There's nothing wrong with straightforward language.
2. Why is the series always listed here as "TUGS"? It's not an acronym, shouldn't it just be "Tugs"?
3. "The members of the Clearwater Features Forum are campaigning for TUGS to get out onto DVD. They are doing exceedingly well. But they still need your vote. The main basis of trying to get TUGS on DVD is so that, TUGS will capture the hearts of new children of younger generations, and a program that has long been forgotten would be back in the limelight once more, where it belongs." 
Wikipedia isn't a soapbox, and should not feature advertising for the campaign. While it can be argued that the campaign is worth a mention, things like "they still need your vote" are entirely unencyclopaedic.
4. A lot of the facts presented in the articles are nothing but speculation. For instance, in the article on Big Mac, that character is identified as Warrior's brother. At no point is this stated anywhere in the television series or any canon (fiction) source. And in nearly every character article, the character is linked with one particular voice artist - even though nobody knows either way which actors voiced most of the characters.
5. "According to sources" appears in a number of articles. This is so vague as to be pointless. Your own mind is technically a source. A guy you met down the pub is a source. Unless you can identify the source, and it's a canon source, what you have there is a rumour, and Wikipedia is not the place for rumours.
Tom
Just performed a major clean-up on the main article to correct as many of the above errors as possible. Tom
: The reason for the capitalised TUGS title in most pages is that the word is capitalised in the tugs logo. It would be smart to go by that. --SteelersFan UK06 20:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No it wouldn't. On that basis, we'd talk about HOUSE M.D. and THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE AND FRIENDS. Which we don't. HonestTom 14:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDb lists it as "Tugs". We could always go by that as a standard? --SteelersFan UK06 14:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup and Improvement

message: Is available at the BFI website: (http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/series/18678)
They are, in reverse order, as follows:
* BIGG FREEZE   (27/06/1989)
* UPRIVER  (20/06/1989)
* HIGHWINDS  (13/06/1989)
* JINXED  (06/06/1989)
* GHOSTS  (30/05/1989)
* QUARANTINE  (23/05/1989)
* HIGH TIDE  (16/05/1989)
* WARRIOR  (09/05/1989)
* MUNITIONS  (02/05/1989)
* REGATTA  (25/04/1989)
* TRAPPED  (18/04/1989)
* PIRATE  (11/04/1989)
* SUNSHINE  (04/04/1989)
Gaz C 00:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Transmission order.... 

message: I think that the listing of the episodes (and the sub-headings in the first lines of the episode pages themselves) should be listed in italics. I started just going about doing it, then reconsidered and thought i should put the point out across here. Its a minor edit but I think the listing would look better.
I've been a fan of Tugs for as long as I can remember and I've only just found it here. Its great to see so much knowledge and effort being put in to the page.
--SteelersFan UK06 19:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Listings 

message: I was watching "Percy Takes the Plunge" on Youtube, and I noticed that one scene includes a tug that looks suspiciously like something (or someone) from TUGS. The tug had a big fat head (kinda like Warrior or Bluenose), but a little funnel and mast; possibly remastered for Thomas. Can someone please take note of this?Ohyeh 15:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Startug possibly sighted in Thomas episode 

message: Ok, so this has been happening for a while now and its starting to REALLY annoy me. I've got most, if not all, TUGS related pages on my watchlist and I every now and again I get an edit saying that someone has changed "Cameo" to "Minor Appearance". Then there will be another edit on the same page changing "Minor Appearance" to "Cameo". Can we PLEASE just set SOME kind of regulation on these pages so that the repeated pointless edits can maybe stop for a while? Then we can use this page as a guideline.
Reply soon!
SteelersFan UK06 14:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cameo or Minor Appearance?