Talk:The Hierophant

message: The article is just personal opinions from an occult enthusiast about the nature and meaning of a particular tarot card. No peer reviewed books or journal articles are cited. No references or footnotes are given. When a new statement is added, the source needs to be cited, and the source needs to be verifiable, and reliable. Waite is not an unbiased, factual source on the history or evolution of tarot cards. The work can be cited properly, however: "Waite's opinion in his book The Pictorial Key to the Tarot ... etc" The other sources are definitely of questionable academic weight.
The card in question has a history of over 500 years in European card games in which it is used as trump card (see Tarocchi). The article is unbalanced in that it only features the recent uses of the card for divination. This makes the article biased due to its recentism. Since the article ignores use of the card for game play in Europe and other parts of the world, it offers an anglo-american perspective that raises NPOV issues. There are academic sources and sources from international organizations discussing the history and evolution of the "Pope" card as well as its use in games. Such sources need to be utilized. This card represent the Pope, and its designation as the Heirophant is recent and derives from 17th and 18th century occultists. It has no historical background beyond occult uses.  The article does not even address the controversy the card caused with the Vatican and why substitutes for the card were used such as Jupiter and the four Moors. - Parsa 08:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the card that's the problem.  I'm here to copyedit, and there are major problems.  The other card articles in this series are not quite as unclear and opinionated as this one.  Claiming that the Tarot, through interpretation, leads to Truth is quite a stretch - but beyond mere copyediting.  I'll try and fix the tone where I can.Levalley (talk) 18:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unverifiable and unbalanced content 

message: Please try to tie your references in with the text. Also, make sure you make it as easy as possible for the reader to check them. Include full names and titles of the autors, ISBN for books, and a URL if an online version is available (though I assume most of the time it isn't). Shinobu 14:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: This paragraph should perhaps be merged into the general article on Tarot:
::the article on the Hierophant (ancient title) is Hierophant. Though this article should be moved to The Hierophant (Tarot card)Flygongengar (talk) 22:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be about the Hierophant - not about Tarot in general. 

message: The article has several contradictions and is hard to copyedit for clarity.  Does the card stand for organized religion or any religion?  Animistic religions don't have hierophants or hierarchy, which is why native tarots illustrate the card with Coyote or Shaman.  At any rate, either say "organized and non-organized religions," which is therefore "any religion," or be consistent.
I put in fact tags.  This article makes many unsupported claims.  I toned them down by changing words like "many" to "some," (really, are there that many religions that deny anesthesia for surgery?)  Some statements, like "life-denying" I left in, presuming they have some esoteric significance, but otherwise, life-threatening would make more sense.  This article may be purposefully ambiguous (it's about a Tarot card), but perhaps that needs to be stated somewhere.  I've read quite a bit about Tarot (including all of Dummett's work) and some of this seems opinionated - that needs work.  Still, it's a start.Levalley (talk) 19:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyediting 

message: Should this article include a popular reference in media? Heirophant green in jojo's bizzare adventure is named after this card GrandMoff01 (talk) 07:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference in media