Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 8

message: Just out of curiosity, was only one or both of Deidara's arms fixed by Kakuzu? After all, one of them was torn off but the other was crushed, and I don't see how Kakuzu's threads could fix a crushed arm.
:See #Rings. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Deidara has arms back now, but both of them are not necessarily his own, since Kakuzu is explicitly capable of grafting "donor" parts and organs.  We see Deidara's left palm again on the last page of 353, but this doesn't rule out the possibility of a donor arm since we don't know the manner in which he got his  palm mouths in the first place.  –Gunslinger47 23:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't forget, we don't know the extent of Zetsu's or the Leader's abilities, we don't know a thing about Tobi's or the unnamed member's abilities, and we have no idea if there are any other generichenchmen working as stagehands of sorts. For all we know, Kakuzu might have just handled reattachments while one of the above worked on other sorts of injuries. You Can't See Me! 20:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the head's up.  The RAW appears to be out now, so we can begin the verification process. –Gunslinger47 00:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know where you're looking, all I saw was a clay bird and Deidara with a missing arm.
It is clay... At least, what I believe to be clay, so I agree with 24.205.255.129. See panel two, from the following link. 
Kryssel 00:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deidara's Rehabilitation 

message: About the Organization->Goal (2.1) section, it's said "Akatsuki possesses seven tailed beasts". The one-tailed trough four-tailed, "and three other unknown demons".
Since in chapter 353 Itachi and Kisame talks about hunting one between Naruto and the eight-tailed beast, we can agree Akatsuki possesses five, six and seven-tailed demons with no fear to be wrong. Bandreus 11:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He says "up to the eight tail", in reference to what must be sealed before Naruto. They might already have the eight tail. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 16:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The last one is likely to be the eight tails by virtue of Shounen manga progression, but until it's shown or stated, it can't be posted as fact. - MasamuneX7 18:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Errata 

message: In what chapter does Zetsu eat the corpses of Yura and the random weird guy? - Dementor654
:Chapter 261. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 00:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zetsu Question 

message: In episode 135, I believe, when the members were gathering, an extremely large member could be seen. Anyone know who that is?
:I saw him, but I'm not sure. If anyone needs help spotting him, he's behind Kisame.(dintinguishable by his sword handle)
::That's assumed to be Kakuzu, whose actual appearance Kishimoto hadn't yet decided upon. ~SnapperTo 23:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A number of those silhouettes are hard to match up with Akatsuki members.  Could be old members, could be old character designs, could be some random puppet of Sasori's.  There is no official word or any other way to verify, so there's no use discussing it here. –Gunslinger47 23:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other member

message: Shouldn't we note that Hidan is from Amegakure? It shows on his headband in Chapter 325 and on other numerous pictures of him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xitan (talk • contribs).
:No, because he isn't. To quote the hidden message in the article, "Hidan's village is not identifiable." His headband does not match any known village. ~SnapperTo 03:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Kakuzu is clearly from the Hidden Village in the Waterfall since, you know, he is. Unless you are suggesting that both Hidan and Kakuzu have the same headband... ~SnapperTo 19:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidan's Village 

message: I'm really not a fan of putting deceased members of Akatsuki in the former members area (specifically Sasori, Kakuzu, and Hidan). Seems like we should still consider them members (albeit dead or non active if you will) of Akatsuki. Orochimaru would obviously remain in this section seeing how he is technically the only one (that we know of) to leave the organization (the other three never left or renounced their positions or anything, they were simply...killed in the line of duty). Anyone else to leave or be forced out (or what have you) would go in the Former Members area as well.
Thoughts? 68.52.208.121 07:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dead people can't be members. It's not rocket science. They lack the ability to participate. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dead people can't be Kohona ninja or villagers either, by that logic, but look, there they are right in the Land of Fire article.  You get right on fixing that.   You might also want to fix Bleach's listing of the Espada which includes deceased members.  
Zabuza is one of akatsuki too...
Well considering the rate we're going at there soon won't be any members of Akatsuki. Besides, I already talked about what their status would be (dead or nonactive). All I'm trying to say is that just because they're dead doesn't mean we don't (or won't) still explicitly associate them with Akatsuki (or anyone random person who goes searching for information about them I would assume). I suppose if you want other examples of what I'm talking about go searching for the Red Ribbon Army and the Ginyu Force (from Dragonball and Dragonball Z respectively) or even the Band of Seven from Inuyasha. An example from Naruto specifically would be the Sound Four. As for Zabuza being a member of Akatsuki, I haven't heard anything to support that in the least.68.52.208.121 18:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The thing about those organizations is that all of the members die at some point or are otherwise no longer to be members. To have a "Former members" section for them would be pointless as there are no current members. This is not the case with Akatsuki. Once there are no current members, either due to all being killed or what have you, then the current and former members section will be combined. ~SnapperTo 19:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't seem like a sensible general policy for an encyclopedia we should have a section structure policy that is usable.
What about Orochimaru? 68.52.208.121 20:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: You'll need to elaborate on that. ~SnapperTo 20:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Sure, why not. ~SnapperTo 20:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former Members Section 

message: Someone should mention in Tobi's defining traits that he is actually able to be sliced in two by Uchiha Sasuke's chokûto but not be sliced at all.
Black Dollar 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Wikipedia:Be bold. –Gunslinger47 01:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tobi the ghost 

message: Why does it still say that their are seven members? They've already said that Hidan is no longer considered a part of Akatsuki.
:... and without Hidan there are seven members. ~SnapperTo 02:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members? 

message: :(note, some off-topic comments have been moved to User talk:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares#The Leader's eyes)
I notice from episode 16 of naruto shippuden, just after Itachi and Kisame finishes their fight to talk to the leader once more, the leader's eyes were shown up close and it seems a bit different. I do not know how to post a picture so i could not provide it here. Among those the leader's eyes i could notice are its pink sclera, and a "double-ringed" gray irises. I posted this because his eyes may provide a clue of who or what he is, though i find very difficult to understand.
:Yes, gobstopper eyes, as can be clearly seen in his existing image: :Image:Akatsuki Leader.jpg.  From episode 10.  –Gunslinger47 18:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved some comments away from this section.  Please keep speculation off of this talk page as per WP:V+WP:TALK. –Gunslinger47 22:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Leader's eyes 

message: Under rings, shouldn't it be stated that most have something to do with astronomy?
:What do mean?Sam ov the blue sand 01:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Several of the rings share their names with Chinese constellations.  For more information, follow the translations links.  Search this article for "Azure Dragon" as an example. –Gunslinger47 03:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I get it now, I just didn't understand his question because he didn't give any examples.Sam ov the blue sand 13:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Constellations

message: I hope I'm not annoying anyone for this, nut did anyone else notice that the Leader's eyes are exactly the same as the sealing statue's? Interesting, huh? 74.167.170.215 20:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Has the definition of "exactly" changed recently without my knowing? –Gunslinger47 21:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: So, in order words, they're exactly the same... except for that, and that, and that, and one of those, oh that's different, etc. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm… Both those eyes have pupils.  That's a little too suspicious to be mere coincidence. –Gunslinger47 00:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not exactly exact, but close enough. Maybe it's from all of the sealing. 24.229.191.54 10:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both eyes have gray irises.  This is the only significant similarity.  –Gunslinger47 17:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another AL's eyes

message: Has anyone noticed that Tobi and Deidara are working a lot better together than usual?
:No they seem the same to me.Sam ov the blue sand 13:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They still argue a lot just not now against a good opponent.Sam ov the blue sand 22:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Better Teamwork

message: What about the new chapter when Sasuke got a wing blown off
and with Tobi sining into the ground shouldent some one add that? 66.215.61.169 19:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add what and why? WP:NOT#IINFO. –Gunslinger47 19:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New chapter  

message: Ok I downloaded ch. 358 and the last 4 pages are fuzzy and very LQ all i know is that deidara falls into a mine pit. Does he die after falling in or did something else happen?Sam ov the blue sand 22:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't even find it yet. Usually when people fall into mine pits they die. 24.229.191.54 23:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: People don't usually ride giant explosive dragons into the pits. His fate is undetermined. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks but I've downloaded a new one now and they're much clearer.Sam ov the blue sand 02:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He didn't really ride the dragon into it... it was kinda pinned to it by shurikan. 24.229.191.54 11:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  stupid question 

message: what is his highest charka is it c3 or c4.
: He's stated that C3 is his greatest artistical acchievement, so I guess that means that it's C3 (unless he's powered up since his fight with Gaara).
::ok, thanks I got confused when in here i was someone saying c4 was his highest.
:::In Ch. 359 (just released), Deidara chews up C4 himself, and regurgitates a bird, stating that it's his most powerful or greatest work (something along those lines) ~MajinNecro69
::::Given 359, it seems certain that C4 is his most powerful form; obviously referencing C-4 (explosive).  It looks like this is Deidara's last ace-in-the-hole.  Kishimoto always kills off the enemies moments after giving them flashbacks.  (that's kind of annoying actually). –Gunslinger47 22:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated above, Deidara's art's explosive power COULD apparently transend yet another level (C4)... @Gunslinger47: Well, but it's rather nice to get SOME kind of character background, isn't it? I mean, a character without some kind of background usually isn't a deep, substantiual or important character, but I'd say that Deidara fills all those traits. 81.228.148.105 00:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deidara charka 

message: I was viewing the episode where Itachi confronts Naruto/Sakura/Kakashi/Chiyo, and the leader is indeed speaking. There's nothing on AnimeNewsNetwork about a seiyuu, so is the voice done through a computer distortion?
RedEyesMetal 08:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They might not have released it. They don't always. Like on LOST, they didn't release the name of the person who does Jacob. 24.229.191.54 12:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaders Voice... 

message: Tobi and Unnamed Member under partner have "None or not yet introduced." Logically speaking, all of the members of Akatsuki (except said member, technically) have been introduced, so shouldn't it be "None or not yet identified"?
Ring Finger 05:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tobi has a partner. It's Deidara. And I checked and it's there. And I don't see a problem with that. 24.229.191.54 11:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree.  Identified sounds more accurate.  Updated.  –Gunslinger47 18:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members without Partners 

message: ithink they both need their own pages
:I don't. Looking at the way things are going, Deidara will soon have his own page, but at present neither of them needs one. All of the relavent information more that fits into this article.81.132.163.71 14:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel the other way for Deidara, he should get an article within the next 5 or 6 chapters, but we should just wait and see a little more about him for now. All Kisame has done on his own is fight Guy, and that battle wasn't extremely important anyway. And we also don't know anything about Kisame that could make the article large besides his abilities, so the article might as well be "List of Kisame's abilities". Deidara, on the other hand, could already have a fairly large enough article, but we should watch his development for a little more. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares
===I'm confused===
ok,in chapter 360((lastest chapter i think)),it showed deidara right eye and both him and his clay clone were missing the camara thing. so what happened,i rember him always having the camara, did he lose it during the battle or somthing,some help me out here.Allen Walker 16:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

text: He probably took it off. It's not like it's surgically attached or anything. Ansalo 01:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   deidara and kisame 

message: ok,in chapter 360((lastest chapter i think)),it showed deidara right eye and both him and his clay clone were missing the camara thing. so what happened,i rember him always having the camara, did he lose it during the battle or somthing,some help me out here.Allen Walker 16:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He probably took it off. It's not like it's surgically attached or anything. Ansalo 01:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I'm confused

message: I have heard that Zetsu came from Kusagakure. Is that right, cause his sektion dosen't say anything about it.
:Rumors. We originally had a picture show it, but it was proven to be a fan-inclusion. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 18:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zetsus village 

message: I don't really mean to sound bossy, and I'm only suggesting this, but would it be a good idea to split the article? It's already the largest Naruto article we have besides the Konoha ninja, and by splitting it there are several advantages. If the members section has its own page, than we could detial them more, and it would also help with removing the in-universe information from this page. The character sections will eventually get longer, and merging Kakuzu back here didn't help with size. It's only a suggestion, but please take it into consideration. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 3:33 (Eastern Standard Time), 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:Could I also make a suggestion that information be updated more quickly?  It's been a few weeks already but there is no/little information about the fight between Deidara and Sasuke and what happened there. A(S)XiaoXShekki 16:41(Eastern Standard time), 7 July 2007 (UTC)
::I find that quite odd. Every time anyone tries to add the fight to Sasuke there, somebody removes it. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 16:47 (Eastern Standard time), 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:::No plot anymore here. And I've made a prototype too.Sam ov the blue sand 21:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the article? 

message: I would just like to remind that much has happened as Deidara and Sasuke faught (still fighting?)  However, I don't see anything about Deidara's C4 Garuda when he fights Sasuke.  
Also, I would like to point out that we actually see Deidara's C4 Garuda earlier when Deidara fights Naruto, Kakashi, Neji, Gai, etc.  We see a clay Deidara exploding in the same fashion as the C4 Garuda but Kakashi is able to use his M.Sharingan to nullify the bomb (I will cite exactly what chapter it happens once NMR goes back online for me to check up the fact).  I would update the info myself, but unfortunately I can't edit the page. A(S)XiaoXShekki 06:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's not what Suicide Deidara clone was. That was one giant bomb, not millions of microscopic ones. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just want to make sure, Deidare used C3 against Gaara right? When he used the big sculpture to blow up the village. So C1 c2 c3 c4 was shown. I think it should be included -ScotchMB 02:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, C3 was against Gaara. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As of Chapter 362, we know for sure that Deidara also has a clay mouth thing on his chest.81.132.163.12 16:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deidara Update 

message: Deidara is dead as of chapter 362(self-destruction) In knowing this,I have moved him to the former members section, and am giving him his own article. Please don't change the edit, as it is correct and valid.Busboy 22:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck. Also, be sure to create a short description for this article, like Itachi and Hidan have.Ikani87 22:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he's dead, but we don't know for sure do we? Naruto characters have a nasty habit of turning out to be alive. 217.42.222.102 22:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't like when Deidara made an exploding clone and escaped underground. He blew himself up. Look at the page before the big explosion in chapter 362. It looks like he was absorbed into the bomb before it detonated.Ikani87 22:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ikani, I agree, but shouldn't we wait for official confirmation? There are several characters who 'must have died' and then didn't. 217.42.222.102 23:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but even if he survived, Deidara has enough information about him to warrant him having his own article anyway. We can hammer out the details about his status later.Ikani87 23:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Or, what you said. I think we're supposed to get a double chapter next week anyway (I read it somewhere, don't quote me on this). So maybe we'll get a definitive answer then.Ikani87 23:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say we wait one more week... Sure, he's gonna die any moment now/is already dead, but I'd rather wait one more week just to be sure... Speaking of the Former Members section, what is that godforsakenly long Kakuzu section doing there, I thought he had an article of his own to party out on? 81.228.148.208 23:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea what the plan is for this article. Some people say all former members get their own articles for organizational purposes. Then, Kakuzu's article gets merged back into this one. It's rather messy.Ikani87 23:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More like godforsakenly, enormously messy. Seriously, who was the person who decided to give all former members their own articles except Kakuzu. It looks awful in the Akatsuki article and is quite discontinuous. I also would SUPPORT a Deidara article now as he has done enough to warrant his own site, let alone his own article. He has done far more than any other Akatsuki member and has even had flashbacks. Let's give the kiddies what they want, otherwise we'll just be behind a week when it is confirmed that he is dead. And even if he is not dead, he still has done enough. The great kawa 00:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Please, once again, stop changing his status into deceased. Even I think his dead but we don't have enough proof. Please just hold out until next week. -ScotchMB 13:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll wait a few hours to change it to "Unconfirmed", like what was done when Kakuzu was in this situation, in case anyone has any objections. And I, too, support him getting an article, and I'll make a discussion page over him getting an article or not in a few minutes. I have just created a page where we can discuss him getting an article or not here.User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 13:05 (Eastern Standard Time), 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Chapter 363 clarifies in great detail that Deidara is officially dead, even to the point that the AL requests they mourn him. Shallon Michaels 18:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deceased 

message: I know this is a touchy subject but I have a nag for these things. ^_^ But I've seen other people with their versions of what it should look like so here's mine.Sam ov the blue sand 03:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An article for Deidara 

message: Having gone through the Discussion Board and due to the fact that no one decided to update Deidara's profile, I decided to do it myself (I hope it's fine w/ you guys/gals.  If not, I apologize).  The following is what I updated and error checking would be appreciated:
"After news of Orochimaru's death at Sasuke's hands, the Akatsuki leader warns all the remaining members, especially Itachi and Kisame, to be aware that Sasuke might try to disrupt their plans.  Deidara becomes annoyed at this news, stating that Orochimaru was supposed to be his target and hence vows to kill Sasuke if he is ever to run into him.  As fate would have it, Deidara and Tobi run into Sasuke and the three battle, though Tobi remains fairly inactive and is only seen planting Deidara's mines.  In this battle, Deidara utilizes his C4 Garuda against Sasuke, but Sasuke is able to neutralize the attack against him twice; the first being a giant clay clone in which Sasuke escapes the radius of the micro-bombs and the second in which Sasuke escapes encapsulation by using Chidori on himself to neutralize micro-bombs into duds.  Almost drained of chakra, Deidara becomes infuriated that his explosive "art" was once again bested by the art of the Sharingan.  Deidara further questions Sasuke on how Sasuke was able to so rapidly discover the weakness to the explosive "art" and Sasuke's brilliance further angers Deidara.  As so, Deidara uses "Self Destruction", a suicide jitsu that explodes for more than 10 kilometers, and is presumed dead as of now.  Sasuke's status is still unknown."
Again, double checking would be appreciated.  And oh, someone should probably move Deidara to the "Former Members Section" since Deidara has just used his "Self Destruction" jitsu.  But then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Deidara somehow survived . . . because surely Sasuke and the rest of Naruto's team are alive, or there would be no more Naruto story obviously.
A(S)XiaoXShekki 06:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When he dies, not before. He's not dead yet. Dying/exploding, but not dead. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was absorbed into the core of the bomb. The bomb detonated. According to my calculations... Ikani87 07:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're dealing with a world where people can produce clones out of water, turn clay into explosives, and resurrect the dead in neat little coffins from nowhere. Wait until the explosion finishes. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was under the impression that the coffins were the very same coffins the respective Kage were buried in, though I suppose that has absolutely nothing to do with Deidara. ~SnapperTo 07:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would make more sense. "Neatly transport the coffin of a dead person and resurrect them" then. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

text: As Someguy kind of said, wait for his death to be confirmed before adding a summary of the battle. ~SnapperTo 20:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It's for the best. If we make sure the character isn't going to do anymore fighting we avoid having summaries of five different battles that are of little consequence to the actual character. ~SnapperTo 17:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Deidara's profile 

message: I'm not sure if this is notable or not, but it looks like the unnamed member's eyes a slanted more than usual, especially for a manga/anime character. Should this be added? User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:00 (Eastern Standard Time), 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Minor feature and not really a defining trait of any kind. It's not like the leader's eyes or Deidara's scope. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 23:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slanted Eyes