Talk:Image development (visual arts)/Archive 2

message: Natanya Pitts, Chelsea Valentine, and Ed Tittel, CIW Site Designer Certification Bible, Dec 2001 pp:85,109 does not claim that the "computer has merged skills" as this article claims it does:
Page 85:
"... graphics, and how to optimize graphics for use on the Web. In addition, you learn how to use a common image development application - Paint Shop Pro 6..."
Page 109:
"... Basic image development: The basics of Paint Shop Pro activities include creating and saving images, and creating transparent images. We discuss these techniques ..." Davémon 14:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The citation does not claim that the author states the computer has merged skills. That would be a quotation, which is more than a citation. The article is a citation of how image development is used in the context of a book where image development skills are merged on the computer. There are hundreds of books that demonstrate how the computer has merged skills. Oicumayberight 21:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "The citation does not claim that the author states the computer has merged skills." Which is exactly why it should be deleted. It doesn't need to be a quotation, but the statment does need to  adhere to what those sources say. That source says nothing at all about the position being advanced here. --Davémon 10:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are repeating yourself. Repetition doesn't make your point any more valid. Oicumayberight 20:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  9: computer has merged skills 

message: Michael Sims, Working With Agencies: An Insider's Guide, Dec 2005 pp:165 does not claim that "creative professionals may find "image development" a more flexible umbrella term to avoid over-specifying." as this article says it does
P165:
"... The other types of amendments are those at copy stage and in the visual image development. Of these, 80% are totally justified and should be effected effortlessly by the agency, but I would say there are 20% that do not add to the creative product and are not really necessary..." Davémon 14:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here the author could have said, "at the copy stage and the illustration stage", or "at the copy and the photography stage". In either case, it would have been over-specifying. That's why the umbrella term "image development" was used, to avoid over-specifying. Oicumayberight 21:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is your interpretation, based on assumptions on what the author 'could have said' rather than what the author actually wrote.  It introduces an analysis or synthesis of established facts, ideas, opinions, or arguments in a way that builds a particular case favored by the editor, without attributing that analysis or synthesis to a reputable source. Yes it is a citation that image development has been used, no, it is not a citation that image development is used to specifically to avoid over-specification. --Davémon 10:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All you are doing is disputing my interpretation. I would say it's my interpretation versus yours, but you are not even attempting to interpret. You think that unless it's word-for-word, then it's synthesis or original research. You don't leave any room for POV. So basically, it's my interpretation versus your opinion that there should be nothing left to interpretation on the wikipedia. That's taking advantages of wikipedia weakness. It's called trolling. Oicumayberight 20:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 10: over-specifying

message: None of the sources given in the article explicitly bare out the statements being made. The only relationship between the sources and the article is that they may have been used to create an  unpublished synthesis of published material. --Davémon 08:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: False References

message: Melanie Scott, ArtsSmarts: A handbook for artists and educators Using the power of the arts to release the creative potential of young people, Canadian Conference of the Arts 2003 pp:66-70 does not support any of the statements made in the article.
P66:
distortion: An image-development strategy used to
misrepresent and pull out of shape all or part of the
components of an artwork.
elaboration: An image-development strategy used to
add detail or decoration to some or all of the components
in an artwork.
exaggeration: An image-development strategy used to
magnify, intensify, and make abnormal some or all of
the components in an image.
P67:
fragmentation: An image-development strategy used to
detach, isolate, or break up some or all of the components
in an image.
juxtaposition: An image-development strategy used
to place, side by side, two or more images or elements
in a way that changes the meaning or affect of each.
point of view: An image-development strategy used to
position the viewer relative to the created image
(worm’s-eye view, bird’s-eye view).
rotation: An image-development strategy used to
revolve, move, or rearrange an image or parts of an
image.
P70 
simplification: An image-development strategy in
which an image is made less complex by the elimination
of details.
sketch: An image-development strategy; a preliminary
drawing for an image.
The full document can be read www.artssmarts.ca/media/en/handbook.pdf 
--Davémon 13:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ArtsSmarts 

message: Ray Paton and Irene Neilsen, Visual Representations and Interpretations, Mar 1999 pp:119 does notsupport any of the statements made in the article.
Page 119:
"In summary, visual representations offer a means to consider how problem-finding, problem-solving, iconography, and image development differ and interpenetrate. As I have demonstrated, scientists are using some measure of artistry to evolve digital image formation, interpretation, and clarity"
--Davémon 13:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Visual Representations and Interpretations

message: Peter Bauer, Photoshop CS2 For Dummies, Jun 2005 pp:18 does not support any of the statements made in the article.
Page 18:
"...You select the History Brush, choose a history state (a stage in the image development) to which you want to revert, and then paint over areas of the image that you want to change back ..."
--Davémon 13:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photoshop CS2 For Dummies

message: Natanya Pitts, Chelsea Valentine, and Ed Tittel, CIW Site Designer Certification Bible, Dec 2001 pp:85,109 does not support any of the statements made in this article.
Page 85:
"... graphics, and how to optimize graphics for use on the Web. In addition, you learn how to use a common image development application - Paint Shop Pro 6..."
Page 109:
"... Basic image development: The basics of Paint Shop Pro activities include creating and saving images, and creating transparent images. We discuss these techniques ..." Davémon 14:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIW Site Designer Certification Bible 

message: Michael Sims, Working With Agencies: An Insider's Guide, Dec 2005 pp:165 does not support any of the statements made in this article
P165:
"... The other types of amendments are those at copy stage and in the visual image development. Of these, 80% are totally justified and should be effected effortlessly by the agency, but I would say there are 20% that do not add to the creative product and are not really necessary..." Davémon 14:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Working With Agencies: An Insider's Guide

message: Audrey Bennett and Steven Heller, Design Studies: Theory and Research in Graphic Design, Aug 2006 pp:343 does not expressly support any of the statements made in the article.
Page 343:
"While the first part of the course requires the drawing out of a moment in time to investigate its importance, this section requires the collapsing of time into a single image construction. For this reason, students are required to use a single large format, the poster, for each subject. The large format allows focus on the image development and also necessitates a distillation of text and concept. Students must construct the image themselves (whether photographic, illustrative, or typographic), because there is no other way to represent the content ..." Davémon 14:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Design Studies