Talk:Tartan Army

message: I am removing the Irish Fooball Association bit about Howard Wells being upset at Scots jeering God Save the Queen. The supporting citation is dead and it's petty anyway to say the least. JScotia (talk) 05:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fresh references provided. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

text: It was, but GSTQ was also played because Northern Ireland was the visitor. The opinion piece in explanation of the booing can't be verified. Some folk may have booed it purely for the rivalry with England, rather than any historical reason. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  God Save the Queen booing 

message: The 1998 designation must have lapsed by now. I reckon the Koreans must be the World's Best Fans.  And no mention of digging up Wembley in the 70s? jnestorius(talk) 13:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "World's best fans" ?

message: I have heard that the Tartan Army name was given to Scottish supporters by English newspapermen after an exuberent visit to Wembley in the 70s (maybe 77). The name was derived from a fringe pro-Scottish independence Tartan Army terrorist group of the 60s/70s, originally in a disparaging way, however the Scottish supporters quickly adopted the name.
I have no idea about the veracity of this and haven't been able to find a reliable source, just stuff on messageboards. Anybody know any more? Caledonian Place 19:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely no proof from either source that the name of the fans' group was derived from this organisation, which I had certainly never heard of until today. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the name 

message: My concern is that the ip 90.200.240.178 is not establishing the significance of the incidents. It may be the case that Scotland fans chanted unpleasant things against Germany and particularly Italy, although it may not be a coincidence that there was alleged "F.B." abuse and that the match was played at Ibrox, but there was no great reaction to this — say Scotland being punished by UEFA, or mass arrests. Indeed, to the contrary, the Germany match was played in a tournament (UEFA Euro 1992) where they won an award. Without some wider context or significance, it is basically "some people said some bad things and ran away", which frankly isn't notable. I also note the addition of an article about a Tartan Army member being upset about Mars using England branding in Scotland — so what? Again, it doesn't explain the significance of this. Is this just the view of one guy, what motivates it, what is the lasting significance of this, etc. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 17:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It was notable enough for these academics, the leaders in their field, to write about and get published. 90.200.240.178 (talk) 17:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see anything to suggest it is anything more or less than their viewpoint, which gets us nowhere. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 17:44, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest it is considerably more notable than a losing nomination in "the international Scot award," whatever that is. In a way we are lucky that these high quality academic sources exist - we would be doing wikipedia users a disservice to exclude them in favour of SFA press releases etc. 90.200.240.178 (talk) 23:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably you've heard of the Scottish Politician of the Year awards??? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most recent reversion 

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