Talk:Anglosphere

message: The comparative absence of Ireland from this article is very striking. By any reasonable definition, Ireland is surely part of the Anglosphere. Historically, genetically, culturally and linguistically, the links are overwhelming. It's true that, since the 1920s, Ireland has sought to distance itself from the UK, but it remains a fact that the UK is by far Ireland's biggest trading partner and cultural influence. The determination of some posters to deny Ireland's "British heritage" seems overtly political. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.108.92.22 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not the English-speaking world article. This is about of a set of English-speaking countries that cooperate militarily and have shared national security programs. As Ireland is militarily neutral, it is not included. Plantdrew (talk) 15:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Quote from Wikipedia: "The Anglosphere is a group of English-speaking nations that share common cultural and historical ties to England or the United Kingdom broadly,[1][2] and which today maintain close political, diplomatic and military co-operation." To be fair, although Ireland complies with the vast majority of this definition, it does not maintain "close military co-operation" with the Anglosphere. However, according to Wikipedia, Ireland's Defence Force has purchased most of its ships from UK shipyards, all of its aircraft from UK, US or European manufacturers, and most of its military equipment from the same sources. This clearly suggests a reasonable degree of co-operation. "Close", perhaps not; but we are splitting hairs over a secondary component of the definition. From the perspective of (say) a Chinese person, Ireland is very obviously a part of the broader "Anglo" world. I will concede, however, that the article does allude to Ireland's presence in a possible second tier of the Anglosphere. But we should be clear that it is only Ireland's insistence upon "military neutrality" that keeps it apart. It will be interesting to see how Ireland responds to the increasing demands for an EU army. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.108.92.22 (talk • contribs) 08:15, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to update the map then , as it includes the Republic of Ireland in the Anglosphere as well. Mrsunnybones (talk) 13:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The map is based on Bennett's definition, which includes Ireland in the core. DrKay (talk) 18:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This conflicts with the rest of the article, however. 73.68.232.233 (talk) 06:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh. I just checked the talk archive and see that I've been arguing against maps in this article since 2008. A major problem is that there is no agreed upon definition, nor agreed upon list of who's in the Anglosphere and who isn't. Any map used in the article is necessarily going to privilege one person's or one group's definition/list over other persons and groups. Admittedly, using James Bennett's list isn't wholly arbitrary, but I still see this as a serious problem, Ireland being a prime example of a country included by Bennett but excluded by many other commentators. In general, I also don't find WP's use of world maps of country groupings to be especially enlightening in most cases. I'd still prefer just not having a map in this article. CAVincent (talk) 07:11, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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