Talk:Haplogroup E-V38

message: While E-V38 may have originated in the Horn, E-M2 is clearly more West African in origin. It's also rather old, over 31,000 years.https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M2/ Wadaad (talk) 08:21, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: E-M2 should have its own page

message: this page needs a huge amount of expansion.
:There really isn't much good published research on this haplogroup. The brother haplogroup E1b1b1a seems to be more and better studied. - Brout8 (talk) 01:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: expansion

message: I removed statement that said "Haplogroup E1b1a is mainly restricted to Eastern sub-Saharan Africa".  This is not true.   The statement also seems to suggest that of e1b1a was the identified haplogroup of 80% of Tutsi and 67% of Nubian Egyptian. No citation was given. 
I deleted repeat about African-Americans and Caribbean Africans E1b1a frequency. I failed to see a mention of M2 or "‘‘Broad’’ trend physiognomy" in Lucotte and Mercier's "Brief Communication: Y-Chromosome Haplotypes in Egypt". Nor do I see a citation  for Nadia Al-Zahery or her mention of the subject. RFLP TaqI 49a, f variant IV is not explained well enough for a layperson. I deleted all of it until can be explained better in relationship to current reseach on haplogroup E1b1a. 
The marker M2 obviously has been found in the middle Nile Valley and I have written small portion mentioning this. Too much of the artcle is a cut and paste of S.O.Y. Keita's "Exploring Northeast African Metric Craniofacial Variation at the Individual Level: A Comparative Study Using Principal Components Analysis". I have written a following blurb that briefly summarize the article; "E1b1a referred to as haplotype IV) was found by Lucotte and G. Mercier at relatively high frequencies in Lower Nubia, Sudan (39.1%) and the upper Egypt region (27.3%) of Nile River Valley. This data raises the possibility that E1b1a has had a greater northern and Saharan range; possibly dating as far as to the Holocene period when the Sahara was less arid."
Keita is original research so we can not quote him using his article "Exploring Northeast African Metric Craniofacial Variation at the Individual Level: A Comparative Study Using Principal Components Analysis". --192.172.8.13 (talk) 15:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Keita is quoting Lucotte et al.  Are they too Original Research?  I clearly see "Haplotype V" quoted in the E1b1b article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.139.228.30 (talk) 19:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Gamebela edits

message: Will someone please add something of depth and value to this article? Every time I visit it, either someone is making crazy edits or removing so much it looks to get much smaller before it gets bigger. Can some of the expert editors from E1b1b come over here, set this strait and add some good research? You would never know that E1b1a is the most common haplogroup in Africa from reading this pathetic article. It is hardly even a stub. 
It is a little annoying that when researchers explain finding E1b1b deep in southern Africa is as being part of "diffusion of pastoralism from East".  After reading this article and its supporting research, you would think that E1b1a is a "restricted" haplogroup, and began with 'Bantu' people, needed slave trade for the E1b1a population to move anywhere north or east and only recently went south because of an inexplicable 'expansion'. What is up with the indifferent and dismissive attitude toward E1b1a on Wikipedia? I would add more but I know mostly about mtDNA not y-dna.  --Brout8 (talk) 11:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Anything Better?

message: I dont know what happened to the OLD artical but something DESPERATELY needs to be dont about the "Distribution section" it seems more effort is made to show populations and  frequencies that E-M2  is NOT found in than to actually highlight the MAIN caries of the lineage : Senegal, Benin, Southern Cameroon, Nigeria etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.139.228.30 (talk) 16:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something Better

message: I think this article should focus on studies that tested SNP (Single-nucleotide polymorphism) in populations instead of the older and more questionable RFLP (Restriction fragment length polymorphism). They are not the same things. I am open to studies that tested Short tandem repeat (STR) markers but RFLP is unacceptable. No current research support these old studies Haplotype Y-chromosome XI, IV or V etc as equivalent to a SNP marker. It's too old research. In all honesty, new research of M2 put much if not most of Keita and Boyce's Egyptian and Sudanese population numbers in doubt. 
Where is the proof that TaqI 49a, f variants is a unique-event polymorphism?
-- Brout8 (talk) 13:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are three different terms used throughout the article for same marker? E1b1a, E-V38, and E3a-M2. I prefer the E1b1a because it is much clearer which markers are related to which. MrSativa (talk) 18:40, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much old Research 

message: I have edited the E1b1a article to reflect known data about the haplogroup. I tried to give it an African regional perspective from the written literature. I felt that the article at time talked of the people of Africa as if they were 'out of time'. I corrected some of the disrespectful "pygmy" references and hope they will stay out the article. I also tried to steer the article clear of the 'Sub-Saharan' terminology. It say little and give very little specific about where in Africa we are talking about, other than eliminating the northern part of the continent. Please refer to Africa by its more specific regions. It is a huge continent.
I reworked the distribution so that it would cover three objectives in three paragraphs. The first would be to show how E1b1a is a wide-ranging haplogroup on the continent of Africa and identify African populations that have significant percentages of people who carry the lineage. The second paragraph covers portions of the continent that have not yet shown significant frequencies of the M2 marker. The third distribution paragraph covers populations outside of the home continent that have populations that carry M2. I felt that the article tried to talk too much about African-Americans (from the United States) and then tried to lump other Africans populations from other North and South American countries of with them, when they clearly are not identical. African Americans men, who are positive for M2, make up less than 10% percentage of the total United States population. They are only about two third of self-identifying African-American men. This is why I write, “Outside of Africa, E-M2 has been found at low frequencies”. Of course, it is probable that there are Caribbean islands populations that have M2 but I have not yet found studies for support. If such studies are found, please add them. --Brout8 (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "I corrected some of the disrespectful "pygmy" references and hope they will stay out the article." Sometimes I think Wikipedia is being re-written by a bunch of South Africans and Rhodesians with an apartheid/UDI era understanding of history. MrSativa (talk) 19:26, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: E1b1a Rewrite

message: I really dislike the use of E-V38, because it obscures rather than reveals the relationship between E1b1a, E1b1b, E1b1, etc. Why use the even older classifications for this same haplogroup M2 or E3a? Highly confusing. Why can't the title be changed from E-V38 to E1b1a? MrSativa (talk) 18:19, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved to the bottom of the page, please start new topics at the bottom next time, thanks. --  Kethrus |talk to me  11:38, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

text: Also, E1b1a redirects here, so nobody will have an issue finding it. Although I don't know what name is more appropriate as I know nothing about the subject. --  Kethrus |talk to me  11:40, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
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