Talk:Intelligent dance music

message: IDM was a massive fraud perpetuated on the public by an American gang at the Hyper Real website and IDM list. There are American websites that have graffiti scribbled their American garbage ideology onto British electronic music. IDM was denigrated and attacked by Aphex Twin, Mike P, and Luke Vibert. But some trolls have gone through the main article removing references and quotes from famous musicians friends regarding this false genre name. Clearly, the trolls have used Wikipedia in order to promote this fan created genre name. It is associated with websites such as WATMM and XLTRONIC nowadays. Anyone with the slightest bit of decency should do the right thing and keep IDM out of the entirety of Wikipedia article. What a fraud on the public! This article is the property of someone who worked for the Hyper Real Music List. Screw that fake ass shit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoideredByDaUkGuv (talk • contribs) 
:There are reliable sources saying that it's a genre, both WP:V and WP:N are satisfied, so there is no basis for deleting this article.
:Contrary to what you claim, the article does mention that several artists don't like the term. But if you believe the coverage isn't fair, you're welcome to improve it as long as you abide by WP:POV -- intgr [talk] 13:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  IDM is a discussion list NOT a music genre 

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message: subject duplication, unnecessary fork when Intelligent Dance Music, Intelligent techno & ambient techno are categorically the same. Acousmana 11:12, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Despite obvious connections—the ambient techno scene led to the wider experimentation of later IDM—a variety of cited sources (including retrospective ones that might have conflated the two) describe/define ambient techno in distinctive terms from IDM. Also, the characteristics described in the ambient techno article do not all clearly overlap with the broader "experimental" sensibilities found in literature describing IDM, with emphasis on specific "ambient" or "chill out" aims distinct from the eclectic experimentation of IDM, including IDM's movement away from techno altogether into jungle etc. The overlapping term "intelligent techno"—which you're using to justify the conflation—is rarely used anymore, and could be understood as a holdover from that mid-90s period when IDM wasn't yet acknowledged as distinctive, partly because it was still morphing into a sound distinct from techno altogether. Nonetheless, the term "intelligent techno" was commonly used at the time, so still deserves a mention in the AKAs IMO. At best, you might be able to argue that ambient techno could retrospectively be considered a "subgenre" of a retconned IDM umbrella genre, but it would still be a distinct subgenre requiring its own treatment, and this would problematically divorce it from a techno parent genre too, which contradicts the name itself. Kkollaps (talk) 14:51, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

text: No. You most likely must be completely new to these genres to suggest merging. Solidest (talk) 17:35, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: eh? yeah right, completely new, silly me. Acousmana
*Comment pretty sure we've been over this previously, main issue is over-dependence on Allmusic - a tertiary source - and the misapprehension of editors working on this article. A single encyclopedic entry that thoroughly deals with this subject matter is preferable to multiple confused articles.  Reality is, in the early 90s, in the UK, where the scene emerged, the terms ambient techno, intelligent techno, electronica, were used interchangeably, for the same music. This is indisputable. 
*Reynolds sums this up.  Acousmana 16:36, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Nope, already addressed these arguments about "intelligent techno" above. Reynolds doesn't even use the term "intelligent dance music," he's talking specifically about early 90s chilled-out techno-oriented stuff as distinct from hardcore rave. The term IDM came into its own later on, and plenty of it wasn't chilled or ambient. Kkollaps (talk) 07:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

text: No. While there is some overlap between IDM and Ambient Techno, they are distinct. Ambient techno is just like the name sounds, techno with influence from ambient music, but is still generally meant to be danceable and played in clubs. IDM is music that is influenced by EDM but eschews many of the genre's conventions, including the requirement that the music be dance-floor ready. It doesn't necessarily have to be influenced by techno. Some of it is more akin to house or drum 'n bass (i.e. drill & bass). While some ambient techno could also be described as IDM, not all of it can, so I would say they're just closely related genres. Even if we consider ambient techno to be a child of IDM, which probably isn't accurate, that still doesn't mean that the page would need to be merged. MoeHartman (talk) 00:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

text: No. Both genres are clearly different stylistically, even though one lead into the other. Comparable to merging latin and english, or guitars and ukuleles. Would just make browsing wiki more difficult. Skynnyrr (talk) 03:36, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Ambient techno]] into [[Intelligent dance music]]