Talk:LGBT themes in video games/Archive 1

message: Fixed links and titles. Didn't have a chance to read it all yet, but some of it sounds like it's a position paper, namely the title "what is missing". If this is the case, then please make it more encyclopidic. And thanks for taking the time to contribute. Slike2 01:31, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Position paper?

message: This was in the article: "Street Fighter 2 (1993): Based on the popular arcade game. This fighting game came out for just about every 16-bit and 32-bit computer and video game system available. The super macho marine Guile has an unexplained deep affection for his buddy Charlie. He enters the fighting contest to get revenge on Mr. Big for killing Charlie. He wears Charlie’s dog tags with him always. A later Street Fighting Game [Street Fighter Alpha] allowed you to play Charlie who wore the same clothing as did Guile."
That is pure speculation. I don't see any homosexual link between these two characters when I had my Street Fighter addiction in the 90's. I was cleaning this article (Wikipedia Community Portal) just couldn't stop chuckling at the large amount of misinformation about video games in general. --Anonymous Cow 21:53, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is a joke and should be deleted entirely not clean

message: # To rehead the article into encyclopedically coherent entries
# To move sections around to achieve encyclopedically coherent sections ie:
## Systems of censorship in US video game production
## GLBT characters in the past
## Depictions of GLBT characters in current games
## Tropes used to depict GLBT culture
## GLBT gamers influence in MMORPGs etc.
## Working in the Industry
## Cultural comparison
# To trim original research, unsupported assertions and tendentious material one section at a time.
# To add encyclopedic introductions to concepts like heteronormativity, incl. use of wikilinks.
# To work on language and expression
Fifelfoo 22:33, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Changes 

message: This page is really more about the general treatment of homosexuality and transgenderism in video games than characters who are GLBT as such.  Also, I don't think having a character cross-dress strictly for comic relief (i.e. Cloud Strife) qualifies them as being worth a mention as a GLBT character, especially since male cross-dressing is so often used as a gag in anime and games.  (Most cross-dressers in actuality are heterosexual men, who don't assume full-time female identities.)  
:Cloud doesn't just cross-dress, he has sex with multiple men in a hottub.
There need to be more sources cited here in general-- for example, are there any references backing up the idea that the Nintendo censorship code was adopted because the company worried about American racism, or is this fan speculation? 
There are very, very few characters that I know of who are unambiguously gay (and "rumored to be by fans" isn't enough unless you can cite sources).  As such, it would probably be better to rename it to something like "GLBT issues in computer and video games."  I think it's a topic worth writing about and the article ought to stay in some form, but needs a lot of work to bring it up to Wikipedia standards.
--Sethrenn 21:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look far enough back, the original article was largely speculative or just made up (Guile and Charile a gay couple?), but the current version seems to be aiming for a more comprehensive list.  I think if you're going to shorten it, the first thing to go would be all the cross-dressing that has nothing to do with transgender.  Ohter than that, perhaps cut down on mentions of licensed games that came with ready-made gay characters.  Gay video-game characters are still rare enough that pretty much all of them are notable, though. Ace of Sevens 06:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename this, but don't delete it.

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message: I noticed that Megaman Zero didn't get a mention under transgendered, as the game series has a character named Harpuia who appears to be a transgender of some description. In Greek Mythology, Harpuias were female, and s/he appears female, yet is called male.
Zero himself might deserve a mention, as he has a long history of been mistaken for a girl, or being gay(relationship with X). There's also Lumine from Megaman X8.
:Isn't Harpuia one of those male characters that end up being changed to female for purposes of localization?--KefkaTheClown 00:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Megaman 

message: I am not aware of the Megaman issues, and if theey are truthful then they certrainly did not exist in the version outside of Japan. Please provide evidence on the Mega characters.
I did have Fear Effect 2, listed but some has removed it.  Please tell me why "Flea" from Trigger/Chrono Cross belongs in the list.
:Flea is a character whos sprite clearly depicts him as a female. However, Flea asserts quite vigorously that he's a man. He also seems to have a tendancy blow hearts, whether in the sprite or some of the text in the japanese version. None the less, Flea is either a textbook example of an effeminate male character as previously defined in the article proper. Or, Flea is a woman who appears to suffer from gender confusion.--KefkaTheClown 00:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates 

message: "Gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender characters in video and computer games " don't forget the picture of Dead Or Alive!
:>x<ino 09:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DOA  

message: Correct me if I'm wrong, but one of the most obvious transgenders of the video game market was Yuan from Shenmue II, so I wonder why it isn't on this article..
:According to Mobygames, Yuan was changed to a female in the English dub, which would also be good material for the article.  Does anyone have a good source for this? Ace of Sevens 08:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shenmue II - What about Yuan? 

message: City of Heroes has done nothing that any other MMORPG has done. Even Everquest and Ulitma Online when they first started had "Gay Guilds." Why not replace the City of Heros thing with something more about multi-player games in General? -Carados 05:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Heroes