Talk:Slayer (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

message: :Note: For further discussion on canon issues, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Buffy/Canon
NOTE: This article was not created as a WikiProject Buffy article, it was only claimed as such in January 2006, months after the creation of the article. Furthermore the claim that this article is a WikiProject buffy article was not made by the creator of the article. Arguably this article does not necessarily have to follow the rules created by the WikiProject Buffy, which potentially might be perceived by some as dogmatic.  Note: this unsigned comment was left by User:Paxomen
:The article doesn't "belong" to the creator in any sense, and s/he has no more say in what edits take place than anyone else with a broad knowledge of Slayerdom. See the GNU FDL for more details on this concept. Dave 18:47, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That maybe so, but does that mean it is ok to add the 'WikiProject Buffy article' template thing to Buffyverse articles which others have put time and effort into, and then impose rules on that article which involve deleting the references to the wider Buffyverse not included in the Buffyverse canon? -- Paxomen 22:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It very much means that it is okay. A WikiProject exists to encylopedize content on a broad topic that will cover (in this case at least) hundreds of articles. It is not some sort of sub-ArbCom that exists to stifle good work. The big problem is that there is very little encyclopedic value in the cataloguing of non-canon material, especially when the non-canon material lowers the encyclopedic standards of the article by being either unsourceable or completely produced by primary research, which is what Wikipedia is not. Dave 23:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The view that covering material some view as non-canon is less important is your point of view. However Wikipedia is supposed to offer neutral point of view, not just delete one point of view so that the other can dominate. You don't see a "Wikiproject Catholicism" sticking a big 'WikiProject Catholicism' template on contraception articles, taking over those articles, then deleting all references to condoms because they don't approve. -- Paxomen 00:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems like an extreme example, and it's not about POV as much as it about encyclopedism and verifiability. Dave 00:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dave, you say "extreme".  I say "not at all analogous".  An actually analogous example would be WikiProject Catholicism going around deleting articles about individual sermons that individual priests had given without reviewing the issues with church officials, whether or not they were in line with church doctrine.  The issue is notability.  We have enough trouble over at WP:B convincing the community at large that most of our articles are notable; excessive non-canon doesn't help the case. -  Che Nuevara:  Join the Revolution 22:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject/canonicity

message: According to Joss & co the only canonical sources are:
*Buffy the Vampire Slayer [WB/UPN Series]
*Angel [WB Series]
*Buffy Season Eight [Comic]
*Angel: After the Fall [Comic]
*Spike: After the Fall [Comic]
*Spike: Shadow Puppets [Comic]
*Spike: Asylum [Comic]
*Tales of the Slayers (with an "s" @ the end. Tales of the Slayer are not canon) [Comic]
*Tales of the Vampires
Please remove any entries referencing any sources other than those listed above as they are not part of the actual universe, and compromise the integrity of the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.36.95.120 (talk) 00:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Full Article Clean-up Request

message: Faith's surname is apparently official according to Joss Whedon - details in article <a href="http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16378">here</a>. --Lokicarbis 17:29, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
: That was announced today, but let's wait until the book comes out before considering it canon. I think it adds confusion for most fans. -- Netoholic @ 19:42, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
There's a potential error in the listing of the potential Slayers near the bottom of the page: "Chao-Ahn (played by Kristy Wu) is a potential Slayer when we first meet her. Hailing from Shanghai, China she arrives without speaking a word of English. Most of her (subtitled) lines serve as comic relief, as none of the other characters understand her Cantonese words or properly interpreted her non-verbal communication. Nevertheless, she survives the final battle in the Hellmouth." 
Unfortunately, Chinese persons from Shanghai generally do NOT normally speak Cantonese--they speak a dialect of Wu (linguistics) known as Shanghaiese, which is its own "language" (or dialect, depending on what terminology you subscribe to) distinct from Cantonese and Mandarin, and all are as mutually unintelligible as the various romance languages. Effectively, assuming that Chao-Ahn speaks Cantonese as a first language is the same as assuming someone from Spain will speak French as a first language. Theoretically, Chao-Ahn or her parents could have emigrated to Shanghai from Guangdong province or Hong Kong--thus Cantonese would be her spoken language--but in reality the vast majority of immigration has been in the opposite direction (Shanghai to Hong Kong -- see In the Mood For Love). In fact, most Shanghaiese learn Standard Mandarin as a second language (see "people and culture" in Shanghai) because the Shanghaiese dialect of Wu is unintelligible to all other Chinese speakers, including other non-Shanghai Wu speakers. Residents of Shanghai are probably more likely to learn English as a third language--not Cantonese. As such, it would really make no sense to have a Shanghaiese character speak Cantonese without further explanation (much the same as you wouldn't have someone from Madrid speaking French or Romanian!). Has anyone actually orally confirmed that Chao-Ahn is speaking Cantonese (and not Wu or Mandarin) in the episodes featured, or was this an assumption made for this page? -CLR, 16:26, 2005 Sept 4
Chao-Ahn is speaking a very butchered Cantonese. It's painfully obvious that Wu does not speak Cantonese fluently or possibly at all. Her sentences barely make sense and have a heavy American accent to it.
:You are correct in what you said about Shanghai and Cantonese, but Giles said in First Date, "I was concerned that my Mandarin is a little thin, but as it turns out, she speaks Cantonese, which is thinner." This may be explained by the fact that most Americans have only heard of the northern cities.
::One thing to keep in mind is that Giles can't understand a word she says regardless, so whatever he thinks she's speaking isn't necessarily accurate.--MythicFox 09:53, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: General

message: Shouldn't they be called New Slayers or something along those lines? They're not just Potential anymore, and we certainly never saw a potential slayer on Angel. Also, Buffy isn't the latest in the line anymore, as stated in the first section... she's more the last of the lone warriors against vampires &c. Dave 15:42, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. Buffy's been the Slayer the longest, and yes, we did. Remember Dana? She was strong enough to BREAK THROUGH the metal gates and her restraints. Pokemon Buffy Titan 11:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Dana was a slayer by that point, therefore she obviously wasn't a "potential" anymore..so no we did NOT see any "potential slayers" on Angel:::71.114.135.136 (talk) 14:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potentials 

message: Title says it all. -Lil_Flip246
: 1) Wrong place to discuss this, 2) There is no Pure Demon Page, there is a mention in the generic Old Ones section on "pure Demons". -- Majin Gojira
:Done:  Old One -- Paxomen 05:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And you really shouldn't have. See the talk page of the page you just created for a full discusson. Majin Gojira 14:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone edit the "pure demon" page? 

message: I think this belongs in :Category:Buffyverse better than in :Category:Buffy the Vampire Slayer since Slayers  are on both shows and in Fray. Any problems with that? Also, I think we should move the page to Slayer (Buffyverse) to reflect that, too. Dave 05:42, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category/Title 

message: I'm not sure whether Sarah Dinsdale is really a Slayer or not...I'm sure Samantha Kane is, just dunno about Sarah....can somebody please verify?  Esp somebody who has read Night of the Living Rerun, the book she appears in?  Thanks.  Mayukhers112 02:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarah Dinsdale 

message: 'The average Slayer's lifespan is very short. Buffy once implied, though she may have been engaging in hyperbole, that no Slayer has lived beyond 25 (Buffy Season 4, "Doomed"). An exception seems to be Nikki Wood (seen in season 5's "Fool for Love" and season 7's "First Date" and "Lies My Parents Told Me"), who was the only Slayer known to have a child, (Robin Wood). '
I seem to recall that demon-hunting ventriloquist's dummy in the first season saying he'd dated (in his pre-puppet days) a Korean Slayer who was in her thirties. The conversation was when the puppet and Buffy were sitting on the catwalk above the stage.
Can anyone validate this and hopefuly correct this information?
Dodger 12:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ages of slayers 

message: I just added a section on the Slayer's weapons and equipment, mostly because I think the Scythe is important to the Slayer mythos - its use in "Chosen" indicates that it's closely related to the Slayer's power, after all.  It might also be useful to mention Nikki Wood's "Slayer Emergency Kit," as it contained items that were supposed to be passed down through the Slayer line.
This was my first Wikipedia edit, so please go easy on me! --Jeff-El 21:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Taking another look at the Fray comic, Urkonn actually only says that it was "lost for centries," which I suppose could refer to it being lost prior to Buffy's discovery of it. I've reworded the section accordingly. --Jeff-El 03:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons/Equipment 

message: Looking at the article as it exists now, it seems to me that the sections on "The Chosen One," "The Legend," "The Future," and "Potential Slayers" could all easily be merged into one section on the history of the Slayer, perhaps with some subheadings to help break it up.
To me, the sections that exist seem to cover a lot of the same information, and it seems a little redundant.  I also feel that Potential Slayers are important enough to the mythology that they should appear sooner in the article, especially in light of the several references to them that appear before any discussion of who or what they are. --Jeff-El 21:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slayer history 

message: I really like the streamlined Powers and Abilities section, it's easier on the eyes already!
I'm not sure I agree with the restoration of the Potential Slayers section, however. I tried to adequately cover the Potentials in the "Slayer Line" section I created, and it seems a little redundant to include the same information twice.
I can understand the desire to give the Potentials their own section, however - honestly, if we had more information they could almost warrant their own article. Does anyone else have an opinion?
I'm in favour of scrapping the section, but if most people would rather keep it, I would suggest moving it to an earlier position in the article...they seem sort of "tacked on" in their current position to me. --Jeff-El 01:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm always in favor of streamlining and minimizing, so unless someone else want's to futz with it, I've already taken care of it. -- Majin Gojira 02:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking good 

message: I feel that the pending task on the to-do list has been adequately resolved. Assuming others are in agreement, what's the procedure for removing the list? --Jeff-El 03:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pending tasks 

message: The Vampire (Buffyverse) article is currently up for deletion and I fear this one could be next. See the Vampire deletion page to see what I mean.  It could be deleted because it's written completely in-universe.  I unfortunately don't have time to fix the Slayer article, so I thought I'd point this out, so that someone could fix it before this article gets deleted. • Supāsaru 13:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible deletion of this article

message: I think it is important to note that the Slayer who wields the Scythe gets a tremendous increase in power. If you remember in the episode, Dirty Girls, Buffy and two other Slayers could hardly stand up to Caleb when fighting him at once. This was when his power was waning. Suddenly, in End of Days, Buffy is able to fight Caleb head-to-head after he is fully stoked with power from the First. The display of power that we see from Caleb is inconsistent unless one takes this fact into account. Faith, when holding it, said it was a weapon of great power and felt a personal attachment to it. It seems that any slayer who holds the Scythe syncs with its power on some level. If you have anything that refutes that, please tell me.---User:LeCreuset05—Preceding comment was added at 21:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be just self-confidence; the thing is a great weapon for chopping up evil beasties. If any official references say this increases Slayer powers, sure, put it in. Lots42 (talk) 14:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scythe 

message: How come the Potential Slayer link no longer redirects to the Slayer Line section. I remember vividly that it used to, which is appropriate, but now it just goes to the page itself. I would put in the redirect myself, I just don't have a clue as to how. Any ideas? Kingdom2 (talk) 16:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential Slayer redirect 

message: If we're going to do this page, in one of the in-canon Angel comics, Spike was going through time-shifts. In one scene, with flying cars in the background, he was seen holding the scythe. Lots42 (talk) 14:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scythe 

message: The bit about the bomb shelters confuses me. Bomb shelters are supposed to withstand nuke blasts. I'm not surprised the Slayer couldn't get through it. Lots42 (talk) 22:16, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question