Talk:South Atlantic tropical cyclone

message: All current categories for Atlantic hurricanes are for North Atlantic hurricanes.  There are several good reasons why this TC should be lumped in with the southern hemisphere basin instead of the N Atlantic basin:
* Season.  The southern hemisphere seasons span 2 years since they run through the southern summer (i.e., the northern winter).  If you lump this into the north atlantic season it ends up in the 2004 season and becomes (erronously) one of the earliest-forming storms.
* Naming.  North Atlantic storms are hurricanes.  The name for this storm is apparently given as "Cyclone Catarina", though I don't know why.
* Areas.  The Northern Atlantic basin is well-defined.  The Southern Hemisphere basin (as the name implies) covers pretty much all of the southern hemisphere (though this is the only South Atlantic storm in the list).
Jdorje 22:57, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agreed. I made it a cyclone Catarina article intstead of Hurricane Catarina for 2 reasons. One, due to the dispute over whether it was a tropical cyclone or not, it was at least a cyclone of some sort, be it extratropical, subtropical, or tropical. Two, hurricane is a northern hemisphere thing. I'm sorry if I was too bold on calling it a cyclone, but all Southern Hemisphere storms with 74 mph winds or greater are called Cyclones. Hurricanehink 00:23, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It definitely became fully tropical (from initial extratropical to subtropical to tropical, a series of events that occurs in the formation of tropical systems in any of the basins). Catarina was no different than any other tropical cyclone with winds at least 74 mph, one just has never been observed in the southern Atlantic before. All southern hemisphere tropical cyclones may be termed cyclones, however, I don't know that's an official convention for the southern hemisphere (though it may be, please cite something if so), rather mere regional coincidences. Hurricane is not a northern hemisphere thing if speaking globally as you know with typhoons the official term in much of the Pacific; and the only reason there is no official term for southern Atlantic tropical cyclones is it's not an area usually conducive for their formation (indeed, again this was the first such system ever observed) thus there was no need for monitoring of this area or naming conventions. Tropical cyclone is the general catch-all term agreed upon internationally, but since in some usages of that term includes all tropical systems, cyclone is fine with me. I've noted the lack of official term in the article. I agree that it should not be lumped in the north Atlantic Basin; though all due effort should be made to denote its anomaly that it's not part of the other southern basins. Evolauxia 21:39, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

text: which[Cyclone Catarina] is named after the region it stuck in Brazil. It has also been called by the name "Cyclone Aldonca." —Preceding unsigned comment added by IdahoPotatoFarmer (talk • contribs) 00:07, December 21, 2005 (UTC)
* If its winds blow anticlockwise, it is North Atlantic. If its winds blow clockwise, it is South Atlantic. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:51, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Atlantic hurricanes versus Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclones

message: What? Where did that information come from? The Subtropical storm too. Where did all that stuff come from? -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 04:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Depression in December '04?

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thread_title: Improvement drive

message: Only thing hugely missing is inline sources.  For an article like this that jumps between topics it's important each topic be associated with relevant sources. Jdorje 22:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Todo

message: Thanks to someone over at Storm2k.org, there appears to be another possible one just off the Brazilian coast. You can see it in this image. Hurricanehink 13:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Guess not. Poof! Hurricanehink 16:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another one???

message: Not to denigrate Jeff Masters at all, but he's only one meteorologist. Do we really need this section without official pronouncements? --Golbez 03:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no way to get truly "official" pronouncements.  But I agree that one meteorologist's blog is not enough of a source to justify an entire section. — jdorje (talk) 04:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Something from local meteorologists maybe, or any pronouncement from any official body? (like Catarina got) We can't record every swirling cloud in the South Atlantic. --Golbez 19:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Official" sources are hard to come by, especially since there is really no precedent for them to do so (1 hurricane-like storm in how many years?) Additionally, as with the US, government bodies need to be mindful of how they classify and warn about weather features so as not to panic their residents (or in some cases insurance carriers). You could consolidate the links into external links in the paragraph above, eliminating the need for the section, however (IMHO). Ccmhg 16:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SubTropical storm section 

message: Hink linked to Gary Padgett's mention of a January disturbance. Not that I have a PhD, but this looks pretty good. I've been studying images of hurricanes for the better part of three years now and that looks pretty tropical to me. I'm usually pretty skeptical of Padgett; writing a report on everything that moves, but this time I have to agree with him. If we can have a section on Jeff Masters' storms, then I think this Gary Padgett one deserves a 'possible tropical/subtropical cyclone' section too. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 01:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As that image seems to be the work of the NOAA, consider uploading it to the Wikimedia Commons using . Yonatan talk 07:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 2005 Possible Storm

message: 2009 Subtropical Cyclone, is there any source about it? I looked up the satellite and don't see much going on. And this may look like one . HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 00:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Gary Padgets January summuary is the source -  Jason Rees (talk) 00:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sheesh, they really are bending the definition of "subtropical". Here's an image after landfall, only one i could find. -Winter123 (talk) 15:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  January Subtropical cyclone of 2009 

message: I think that Tropical Storm Anita deserves an article  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.35.176.22 (talk) 23:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in the works. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tropical Storm Anita's Article 

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/2011 SATL - here's a sandbox in case we'll need one. Otherwise, that'll be what we'll put in the section. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey!! Please, be careful with the information being published! Part of the given description DOES NOT correspond to Invest 90Q (Arani), neither the photograph!! The article begins with the description of a very short lived subtropical storm which took place in southern Brazil, eastern Uruguay and adjacent Atlantic ocean (near 34S, 53W) [the picture refers to that system] from March 10 to March 11. Arani IS currently taking place in south-eastern Brazil, more than two thousand kilometres from 34S, 53W. Please correct the information, in order to make it reliable. Thanks. Gonzalo.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peordemonio (talk • contribs) 21:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current storm (90Q) 

message: Through the IBTRACS project, the WMO is calling Anita and Arani tropical disturbances.Jason Rees (talk) 10:48, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arani and Anita 

message: The Brazilian Navy recently declared an upper low off the coast of Brazil as a subtropical depression. Now should it be added to the storm list or is it not noticeable enough? Supportstorm (talk) 21:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Its good to go IMO since the WPC are also providing some details on it.Jason Rees (talk) 22:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the only reason they noted it was because Brazil did, but I think it should be in the article regardless for the time being. If nothing much becomes of it or for some reason it's deemed non-notable it can be dealt with then. atomic7732 02:52, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feb. 2014 Subtropical Depression 

message: Just dumping this here for now - so it doesnt get lost: Feel free to expand the list though!Jason Rees (talk) 01:38, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential Sources 

message: Just to update everyone as will be seen from the history of the page, I have introduced an other systems section and have chucked several of the possible systems into it. My thoughts are too chuck most subtropical depressions into it as well while leaving out Angola, Catarina, Anita, Arani and Bapo.Jason Rees (talk) 04:47, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: As the Brazilian Navy has started to assign names for tropical and subtropical storms, those depressions are no longer that important for readers. It is also confirmed that storms like Catarina in the future will be classified as hurricanes, not cyclones. -- Meow 05:38, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: As i stated  - most will be going into other systems but some depressions maybe notable enough for a full section if there is enough damage.Jason Rees (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

text: January 2004 and Feb 2006 are two of the best looking systems after Caterina, Anita and Arani. Far better looking then Bapo or the subtropical systems that are shown to be devoid of convection. Why stick them down at the bottom? Matthurricane (talk)   — Preceding undated comment added 07:48, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, both weren't recognized by any meteorological agency. Only Gary Padgett recognized them. ABC paulista (talk) 13:10, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The biggest problem is a lack of info besides them not being recognized, unless there is some decent source of info that you know of .Jason Rees (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other systems 

message: Could the 1991 Angola cyclone track map shown in the Diagnostic Report of the National Hurricane Center: June and July 1991, pg 13 (Fig II.A-2.) be used to generate a map for that TC in the Wikiproject? ABC paulista (talk) 15:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Im afraid not as it lacks the underlining data (ie:3S 10E).Jason Rees (talk) 15:31, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The track can be created since the map given is in a format that can be geo-referenced to extract points. But I don't know the intensities of the points or the exact time each was plotted for. I suppose using satellite data to find the time could be used instead if the points are in either 6 or 12 hour increments. Supportstorm (talk) 16:35, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: We could just upload that image, since it's from NHC. Sure, it won't look the same, but it's reliable and verifiable. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 19:35, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that is what might have to happen. I'll get to uploading it soon. Supportstorm (talk) 11:24, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angola cyclone track 

message: Earlier today the content of this article was split off in to tow seperate articles without any discussion or prior warning, which while fair enoguh i have reverted because i do not see the need for the articles to be split off at the current time. I feel that the article could be split off at a later date if it is justfied and done properly.Jason Rees (talk) 16:14, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: South Atlantic tropical cyclone

message: Could someone please update Cari's track map, since the last points added were from March 11, and the storm survived for few more days? I don't have access to the TC tracking programs. Thanks. ABC paulista (talk) 18:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, that's the extent to which the NRL tracked the system; we don't have a different best track source. — Iune(talk) 21:39, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: And what about Brazilian Navy's bulletins at the top of this talk page? I can also provide the weather maps if necessary. In Bapo's case, they were used to generate a track until they were replaced bu ASW's Best Track. ABC paulista (talk) 21:56, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have sent a message to the author of ASW's Monthly Global Tracks which is what your reffering to  to see when his tracks will be out.Jason Rees (talk) 00:39, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: ASW's Cari Best Track is out now. Please, if possible update Cari's track map adding and correcting points like was done with Bapo. Thanks. ABC paulista (talk) 00:51, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cari's Track 

message: Just asking do you guys think that this article should have a track map? There has been 6 known cyclones in this rare basin so far. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:02, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, although only 5 of these cyclones would appear on the map, since the Angola Cyclone has only a 12-hour interval track map. ABC paulista (talk) 20:17, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah that should be fine. We do really need it, but I don't know how to make the track map. I'll ask Supportstorm or Cyclonebiskit for this. Typhoon2013 (talk) 21:00, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: To my knowledge there are only three objective tracks that could be used for this basin track map. Not much to work with. Supportstorm (talk) 02:40, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Three? I see five. ABC paulista (talk) 03:06, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Two, the latest subtropical storms, were created subjectively by private authors and not by a government organisation. Supportstorm (talk) 09:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: But the Brazilian Navy Hydrometeorological Center is a government organisation, and were assigned by Brazilian government to name and assign storms. Both Arani, Bapo and Cari were assigned by Navy.ABC paulista (talk) 15:56, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but they did not release track data for those storms and the tracks currently in the article could be original research, or at most, not credible. Supportstorm (talk) 21:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be very careful about saying that the tracks are not credible or original research, when the author of the current tracking data takes points from the NRL, JTWC etc and I believe but can not publicly prove has had his work used by NASA JPL.Jason Rees (talk) 21:56, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not when the authors states that he conducted his own reanalysis for those points. The Australian Severe Weather uses an assortment of data sources which they will annotate. I use them sometimes to recover lost invest data from the NRL. However, we really shouldn't use data that isn't verifiable through an official source or annotated reanalysis like they mostly did for the Bapo and Cari tracks. Supportstorm (talk) 00:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track map??? 

message: What happened to the section on the 1974 subtropical cyclone? Why is it gone?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.194.229.152 (talk) 01:12, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The system got moved to other systems since there is not any evidence to say it was a tropical cyclone for certain.Jason Rees (talk) 01:38, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  1974 Cyclone 

message: I believe that the "tropical" status on Brazilian Navy January 5 1200z Bulletin was a typo, because the Weather Map of the same time shows the cyclone as subtropical, and the subsequents bulletins and weather maps continue showing it as subtropical.  believe that that "tropical" status is not reliable at all. ABC paulista (talk) 14:37, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is what I am concerning. The Brazilian Navy keeps indicating subtropical on their weather maps and Portuguese bulletins, but English bulletins remain tropical. I am not sure if we should use tropical or subtropical as they are both ‘official’ on 5 January and today. -- Meow 16:09, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

text: All right it is tropical now, but the latest Portuguese bulletin calls it subtropical... -- Meow 16:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is some doubt as too if its tropical or not - stick it in the other systems section.Jason Rees (talk) 18:02, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It will be stick in the other systems section if it doesn't receive a name. ABC paulista (talk) 18:48, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Amended... Remaining subtropical now... Do not trust English bulletins from Brazil anymore. -- Meow 01:22, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 2016 status 

message: Cyclone Catarina has been adopted by Wikipedia for many years, because of its location (Southern Hemisphere) and being considered as typical. However, in Brazil, Furacão Catarina (Hurricane Catarina) is much popular than Ciclone Catarina (Cyclone Catarina). Hurricane Catarina is also more popular in English even if the decision of Wikipedia affects its popularity a lot.
Although the term cyclone is described as typical in the Catarina article, it only refers to the summary written by Gary Padgett, which cannot represent most of reports and meteorologists at all. The document by the Brazilian Navy in 2011 indicates not only the name list but the scale. The scale is completely the same to the one that North Atlantic Ocean uses:
*Depressão Tropical - média (intervalo de um minuto) do vento máximo à superfície é igual ou inferior a 62 km/h, 38 mph, 33 nós ou Força 6 a 7 na Escala Beaufort.
*Tempestade Tropical - média (intervalo de um minuto) do vento máximo à superfície na faixa de 63 a 117 km/h, 39 a 73mph, 34 a 63 nós ou Força 8 a 11 na Escala Beaufort.
*Furacão - média (intervalo de um minuto) do vento máximo à superfície é igual ou superior a 118 km/h, 74 mph, 64 nós ou superior a Força 12 na Escala Beaufort.
As the document is currently the de facto standard of the tropical cyclone scale and naming of the South Atlantic Ocean west of 20°W, also with the popularity, my suggestion is to use hurricane completely to all hurricane-force tropical cyclones in the South Atlantic Ocean, including Catarina and future systems, until the World Meteorological Organisation appoints an agency to monitor that basin and changes the scale. -- Meow 05:37, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Very clear cut situation here to me. Went ahead and moved the article to Hurricane Catarina accordingly. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:12, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane or Cyclone 

message: The description of the image says it was taken after it transitioned into an extratropical cyclone. Not sure if it's the best image D3RP4L3RT (DERPALERT) (talk) 02:48, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed it back to the March 10, 2010, image...not sure when it was swapped to the March 12 one. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:02, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image for TS Anita 

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message: Seeing what you did on adding a SATL tracks summary, please, if possible, could you use the same database(s) to update the individual tracks we have here? It seems that some are outdated, mainly Arani and Cari ones. Thanks, ABC paulista (talk) 16:32, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have already made them and just need time to upload them all later. Cari is actually updated. -- Meow 16:49, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tracks updates 

message: The article states that the Coriolis force can't help hurricanes form in the intertropical convergence zone. But haven't hurricanes formed near the equator before? 32ieww (talk) 21:41, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but those are rare occurences. Normally the Colioris effect so close to the equator is not strong enough to generate spin to start a disturbance. ABC paulista (talk) 23:13, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  ICZ 

message: Has anyone else noticed that the South Atlantic tropical cyclones have all formed in a certain patch of water near Santa Caterina? What makes this region more favorable than others? 32ieww (talk) 02:13, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is an area that weak non-tropical disturbances from westerlies or the SACZ could interact with warmer sea surface temperature. 🐱💬 01:25, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santa Caterina 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Please note that we can not call the tropical depression in the South Atlantic, a tropical storm or Tropical storm Iba without a source.Jason Rees (talk) 13:13, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Iba is now official. Will need an archive.org capture of it for a source however. https://www.marinha.mil.br/chm/dados-do-smm/warnings-and-forecasts/warnings X2A3Q (talk) 16:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iba 

message: Hey, so I was looking through images in the NOAA Photo Libary website and then I came across one image with a title saying, "TIROS I image showing cyclone centered at 17W, 45 S in South Atlantic. Monthly Weather Review, July 1961, p. 235." Does anyone have any information about this tropical cyclone? Thanks.
Image:
--SaiTheCyclone (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard of this storm. However, if the caption just says "image showing cyclone", then it doesn't mean it's a tropical cyclone, especially considering how far south it was. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh my bad. I know what cyclones are but it seems that I have misread the title. Sorry! --SaiTheCyclone (talk) 17:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries - good find though! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:57, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown Tropical Cyclone? 

message: I currently don't have a picture but satellite imagery in the south alantic shows a subtropical like system off the coast of Brazil. I'm going to let you users think if it's tropical in nature. https://www.windy.com/-Satellite-satellite?satellite,-29.783,-39.309,6,m:cRzaeXO. https://www.wunderground.com/maps/satellite/infrared/soatl  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinMorgan 56 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not up to us on Wikipedia to decide which storms are tropical cyclones and which are not. This site's policy on original research means editors cannot include systems on the basis of their own meteorological analysis; systems can only be added as they are identified by reliable sources. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:18, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another system right now? 

message: While going through windy, I stumbled across a subtropical cyclone with tropical characteristics. It even had a eye while it's convection fully wrapped around it's center. I don't have much imagery since it only happened at midnight. I do have a link to it on the day after it's peak intensity. Link:https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/?v=-31.025376259299307,-47.9704902135927,2.724623740700693,-29.372833963592697&t=2020-07-11-T14%3A07%3A47Z&z=1&l=Reference_Labels(hidden),Reference_Features(hidden),Coastlines(hidden),VIIRS_NOAA20_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),VIIRS_SNPP_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Aqua_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor
It looked like any other subtropical storms or even tropical like hurricane Pablo 2019. I do have images of it's  peak on visible and on IR ( and air mass ) but Wikipedia's insert system is too complicated for me.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.19.58 (talk) 14:33, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtropical cyclone on July 10-11 2020 

message: , how did you generate the track map for this system? You didn't cite the sources you used to gather the points to generate the map, and I can't find it anywhere. Without them, your map would fall on WP:OR, thus being unreliable and going against Wikipedia's gudelines. Also, please, never re-revert someone, it goes against WP:BRD policy. ABC paulista (talk) 18:15, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I found it on a forum for the WPEC track but I didn’t directly make it. If you prefer i can remove it. Mazum24 (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , First of all, always sign your own comments on their end, not after someone's else. Second, per WP:RS a forum is not considered a reliable source, only professional and/or peer reviewed sources count, made by third parties. But, if possible, could you share the link from where you found it? I'm curious to see how they managed to find this "best track". Finally, when generating images for Wikipedia, always cite the source for them and/or the info they are trying to convey, it's needed for vierifiability reasons. ABC paulista (talk) 18:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  1991 Angola Tropical Storm's track map 

message: I noticed that the “known storms” section is split in 3 sections. Can I combine them? Hi 022828 (talk) 10:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: They were split to better organize the section and to give the reader a better context about the timeline of these storms. I think it works well the way it is now. ABC paulista (talk) 16:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the format? 

message: Can someone put the satellite image for Mani? It doesn't have one right now. Please fix this. CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 14:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mani image 

message: Hi! Is there a reason that Mani does not have a track map? If not could someone please make one? Cyclonetracker (talk) 19:39, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinging both  and  for this. :) Typhoon2013 (talk) 20:45, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

text: , how about Steve Young's Monthly Global Tropical Cyclone Tracks? ABC paulista (talk) 21:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: data hasn't been updated since June 2020 and might take a long while to update FleurDeOdile 22:42, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Sources to back up your claim? ABC paulista (talk) 00:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track map for Mani? 

message: I saw here the mentioning of a subtropical depression that formed today. I saw it on the Brazilian Navy before reading this. If someone could add it to other systems until it is named Potira that would be wonderful.
I have already added this content on Wikipedia Brazil and the information is not clear yet.  I need more time and new reports. André L P Souza (talk) 00:26, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone add the newly formed subtropical depression/Soon-to-Be Potira 

message: I have an image of the approximate trajectory of the storm in Rio de Janeiro and Espírito Santo.  Why did they erase?  In Brazil, I created the page. André L P Souza (talk) 00:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What dataset did you use to generate that map? It's not specified on its metadata, and without it the image falls in WP:OR. ABC paulista (talk) 00:24, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It is an approximate trajectory.  I found it on the internet and checked it in detail with the news I acquired.
The subtropical storm formed more towards the border between Minas Gerais and Espírito Santo than the photo I acquired.  If you can't, then help me create, which I do.  The page in Brazil is mine. André L P Souza (talk) 00:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:RS and as consensus by the project, all information about a storm, even the track map, must have reliable sources attached to it, backing up the coordinates and the intensity assigned for each point, at 6-hour intervals. No one did a track map for it yet because no one was able to find such dataset for it. Anything that comes from user's interpretations rather than directly from sources fall into WP:OR, which is prohibited by the guidelines. ABC paulista (talk) 00:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

text: It's not enough, you need 6-hour interval points with winds and coordinates attached to it. Only advisories and Best Track data can provide such info. Brazilian Navy's advisories operate on 12-hour intervals, incompatible with the project's process. ABC paulista (talk) 00:54, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Basically, we have nothing then. Info based on original research is not acceptable per WP:OR. ABC paulista (talk) 01:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I spoke with the author of the global tropical cyclone tracks on Australian Severe Weather (Steve Young) during the week about Mani and it turns out that he missed it for various personal reasons. He has passed me a track which I have been given permission to share and he will be updating his tracks for October and including it as a special feature in his February 2021 summary. I have passed this track to  who may use it to create a track map at some point.Jason Rees (talk) 02:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

text: It's not needed anymore, but you can share the link here. ABC paulista (talk) 16:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  subtropical storm Mani 

message: The information on the start date of the storm is wrong, as the Marinha do Brasil does not name depressions.
Officially, she graduated on December 28, 2020, not 27. André L P Souza (talk) 00:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The start date isn't when the system was named, rather it's when the first advisory was made and/or the first TC point is assigned on the Best Track. In this case, the first advisory was made on late 27th. ABC paulista (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  subtropical storm oquira 

message: Let us know that before, this supposed storm, it was an extratropical cyclone, which turned into a bomb cyclone.  I have a lot of evidence that this happened and the areas directly affected by it (I don't include the cold front in the description) André L P Souza (talk) 15:10, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources? Share it with us. ABC paulista (talk) 16:24, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tropical storm 01Q (2021 bomb cyclone) 

message: I have the synoptic letter from the Marinha do Brasil, informing that the subtropical depression of 2021 became an area of ​​common low pressure on the high seas.  Can I send the photo? André L P Souza (talk) 17:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtropical depression 2021 

message: It is absurd for some people to try to ruin this page here.
I was the one who added the information about Potira.
But now, I can't bring any more details because the page is blocked.
Irresponsibles (I quote unauthenticated accounts).
The page on Lusophone Wikipedia about the storm, is already created.  For me, of course. André L P Souza (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I requested page protection because there was an edit war that had exceeded 3RR, and so this was necessary so that it would come to a stop. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox  16:07, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , I understand. I thought I would just state my reasoning in case there were any doubts. I agree though, there shouldn't have been an edit war over such simple stuff, and because of that, we now have to wait almost 3 more days until we may edit this page again, in which much will change. Thank you for creating an image, and thank you as well for adding on information that may not be as well accessible to editors.🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox  22:06, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

text: Thank you for keeping the info up to date. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox  02:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtropical Storm Potira 

message: On the new timeline should 1Q be on there?
2A02:C7F:766F:DE00:D8E0:BAB3:E3D2:3920 (talk) 16:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:02, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 20 April 2021 

message: I don't know why ‎HurricaneEdgar keeps reverting the page just cause of a new timeline chart being added , but if i can be honest the timeline chart for me is very helpful.
now the real problem is we need to UNLOCK this , there is a active storm at this moment , this is the worst time to lick this section. Joshoctober16 (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unlock needed, subtropical currently happening. 

message: Can you guys please discuss the inclusion of the timeline here so that this page can be unprotected and updated without having to worry about an edit war? I am personally weakly opposed to the timeline since it doesn't quite work the same way as it does for a season article. The date ranges of individual storms don't show up well on a timeline that spans part of four decades. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:10, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your stance and what you said after looking more at the timeline. I would also like to note that  has simply retired  from Wikipedia, due to me leaving a warning on his talkpage about the edit war that occured earlier today. However, I agree that this needs to be discussed, as this edit war was completely unnecessary, and because this can be fixed easier than the warring editors made it out to be. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox  22:20, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

text: Never-mind, it looks like he decided to return.🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox  04:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As per TornadoLGS Said.  I am personally weakly opposed to the timeline since it doesn't quite work the same way as it does for a season article. The date ranges of individual storms don't show up well on a timeline that spans part of four decades.  HurricaneEdgar  08:00, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: also no need added the timeline. since the South Atlantic tropical cyclones are unusual weather events that occur in the Southern Hemisphere.  HurricaneEdgar  08:04, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: I want to make sure about 01Q's pressure. As NOAA was the one who designated this system as a TS, I just found this link https://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/2021/tdata/satl/01Q.html, which lists it as 997mb (although it seems to be default). Also, 990mb pressure is from MARINHA weather map as far as I remember. I would like to check if it is better to be changed to 997mb or remain at 990mb. Thanks, Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  01Q Pressure 

message: I have some doubts.
According to the portals Climatempo and MetSul Meteorologia, the subtropical storm will rise to the coast of Santa Catarina.
If so, can he be called Raoni? André L P Souza (talk) 14:06, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , pinging only works if it's on the same paragraph of your signing. Also, this issue was already corrected. ABC paulista (talk) 16:22, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

text: NOAA (the official agency in the NORTHERN half of the Atlantic, and the ones who designated '01Q' sometime last/this year) had it as tropical, but yeah Marinha still overrides. ~ AC5230  talk 00:45, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future subtropical storm Raoni 

message: Tenho informações do portal G1 sobre a previsão de um novo ciclone subtropical que atingirá o litoral da Bahia. Cliquem no link:
https://g1.globo.com/ba/bahia/noticia/2021/06/29/marinha-emite-alerta-de-ciclone-em-alto-mar-no-sul-da-ba-com-previsao-de-ventos-de-33-kmh.ghtml André L P Souza (talk) 17:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , WP:ENGLISHPLEASE. About the subject, let's avoid WP:CRYSTALBALL. ABC paulista (talk) 21:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Don't worry, I'm also brazilian so I did understand what you stated. ABC paulista (talk) 00:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyclone Yakecan? 

message: Look, I think we could use special information and graphics on this page here, because it's not just the CHM that gives bletins about the special cyclones (subtropical or tropical), the CPTEC and INMET also do, and these bodies are also of the Brazilian government. The official links are:
Inmet: https://portal.inmet.gov.br/
Cptec: https://www.cptec.inpe.br/
We could mention these links with reports and put the tropical cyclone info graphic like on the other pages. André L P Souza (talk) 00:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: The damage and deaths caused by this system were very great.  I'm developing his page in Portuguese and then I'll translate it into English, but I need help to develop and better structure this future content. André L P Souza (talk) 20:04, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtropical storm Ubá 

message: I think there should be an article for SS Ubá, as the storm has caused casualties. However, if that's not notable enough, that'd be okay too. --2603:7081:2D01:51E8:38F5:3181:281D:3842 (talk) 00:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , I do not agree. The article deserves content. At Lusophone Wikipedia, a person tried to create the content you propose, but it was merged. The subtropical cyclone that caused the storm was responsible for the deaths and was also responsible for the formation of SACZ. The media specialized in meteorology associate Ubá with everything that happened in Bahia and Minas and I will show you in this link (The article is in Portuguese. Please use the translator): https://metsul.com/a-incomum-combinacao-que-trouxe-a-chuva-extrema-na-bahia-e-minas-gerais/ André L P Souza (talk) 03:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for Subtropical Storm Ubá 

message: I've released a draft for the (at the time) active storm Subtropical Storm Ubá --Mobius Gerig (talk) 02:02, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft  

message: Hello everyone, it has information about the exact track of the subtropical cyclone Ubá. Unfortunately, I don't know how to create it and I only have the coordinates of the route. The track in numbers is at this link:  André L P Souza (talk) 06:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you up to it? ABC paulista (talk) 17:00, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I will create one and update the basin map when I have time later today.  🐱💬 00:59, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uba subtropical storm track map 

message: Sorry to inform you, but the storm did not dissipate on the 19 May 2022.  But on the 20 May 2022.  Unfortunately, I ended up forgetting to archive the CHM page and still put the wrong link.  Now, because of my mistake, the synoptic letter that was released simply disappeared from the platform.  I apologize for the error.  I'm still piecing together the story of the storm, the damage it caused, and the cold snap. André L P Souza (talk) 06:10, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is proof of what I reported above: Brazilian Navy synoptic letter. Yours sincerely, André L P Souza (talk) 20:05, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, this chart combined with the May 20th 0000HMG one state that the storm degenerated between May 19th 1200HMG and May 20th 0000HMG, so it did dissipate sometime on late May 19, before 20th. So the disspation date was indeed May 19th. ABC paulista (talk) 01:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtropical Storm Yakecan 

message: This article is starting to get on the long side, which is good, it's been around for a while, as these events start to get better known, and possibly happen more often. Who knows with global warming. Or maybe these storms have been happening for centuries, just like once a decade.
I believe we should split off the list, making it a list along the lines of List of Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes. The list would include all tropical depressions, the subtropical cyclones Brazil warns and names but aren't necessarily "tropical", and ideally some of the 63 storms known to have formed between 1957 and 2007. That would then change the focus of this article to the basin as a whole, much like Atlantic hurricane, and would probably mention the 1991 storm, Catarina, Anita (first formally named), and Iba, since they're all believed to have been tropical cyclones. Any thoughts? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what to make of this proposal as it makes sense on the surface, but I think some more thinking is required about how we deal with these systems.Jason Rees (talk) 01:31, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

text: The proposed list alone could merit its own article, but I don't feel that there's enough content to justify a standalone article for the basin itself. I'd like to see more development on the latter before splitting, so I think it should stay as it is for now. ABC paulista (talk) 16:29, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Me too David-21100! (talk) 19:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal: Split off list for [[List of South Atlantic tropical and subtropical cyclones]] 

message: Seeing as this article is only getting larger (as of this comment, it's nearly 100K bytes long), I propose to split it into sub-articles which would be: Pre-1991 SAtl seasons, 1991-2001 SAtl seasons, etc.. However, I'd prefer to get info from the community before undergoing this split. Could you share your thoughts about it? Flux55 (talk) 06:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good idea! maybe we should make even individual seasons wiki each year David-21100! (talk) 16:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There's not enough content for n individual article for each year, but I could agree on giving the systems list its own article. It's the largest section on this article, so it should be the part to be separated form this one. ABC paulista (talk) 16:35, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I support a List of South Atlantic tropical and subtropical cyclones, as it parallels the type of article we see in other basins. The main article could then be summarized to include sections for history (Catarina, Brazilian Navy starting warnings in 2011), a list of the named storms (past and the current list), a section for the most intense, and the deadliest. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 20:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: this is a good idea too but there will be no space for detailed information and storm tracks David-21100! (talk) 15:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the storms were short-lived and had little human impact, so there's not much to write about them individually to begin with. ABC paulista (talk) 21:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Yea that all belongs in the list article. 16:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

text: maybe 2020-2025 just a example David-21100! (talk) 15:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

text: still having little content would be acceptable, but your idea still seems better David-21100! (talk) 15:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: 2020-2025 would be too short IMO. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Okay, so should we do this now? David-21100! (talk) 15:55, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we should create the list now 2804:14D:683:4880:8CD0:5CE5:D432:FF4D (talk) 19:05, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Flux55 (my talk page) 23:52, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest that this page becomes something like the explanation of the low occurrence, and the new page will become a list of the events David-21100! (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

text: But who will create the page? David-21100! (talk) 16:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe start with a sandbox so the new page is done right? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  20:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: ok! but who will create it David-21100! (talk) 12:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

text: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_retired_Atlantic_hurricane_names i think we should do something like this David-21100! (talk) 00:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and make a sandbox how you think it should look. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential split of article 

message: Hello everybody. I have information about Akará's trajectory, published on CHM's Facebook.  However, I don't know if the social network link is reliable. Here is the CHM report, which in Portuguese is "Serviço Meteorológico Marinho".  I'll show you the link: https://www.facebook.com/100064519129038/posts/pfbid02pCSYu7ENiGNGnwDEk6NgMLpgpGV8EXJTEx7oqEFdQ4hsxyDGsmZ1J74TDHmpziZnl/?app=fbl André L P Souza (talk) 19:36, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triopical Storm Akará 

message: as time goes by I´ve  noticed that systems are getting a bit more common in this ocean do you guys have an explanation for this? Bludzvi (talk) 13:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe global warming? 2804:14D:683:4880:D193:CF57:E571:A26D (talk) 19:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The storms in this basin are getting more common?