Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Psychoactive and Recreational Drugs/Categorization

message: In People and organizations, I suggest adding William Burroughs, Howard Lotsof, Jonathan Ott, Daniel Pinchbeck and Rick Strassman.  Self-evident I think.  Nice projects, by the way.  — FJ | hello 07:42, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
I saw Hunter S. Thompson at the bottom, and I thought he would be a definate for Researchers, Users and (forgot).  I'm sure some of you have seen Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, he is definatly a user and could be considered a researcher.  By the way, I just found out about the wiki(nation?) and I will be contributing a lot to the drug related sections.  I'm also thinking about starting a broader wiki on recreational drugs. --AGruntsJaggon 09:39, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  People and organizations 

message: the cat page should reflect how things are actually set up; if there are to be changes, there should be at least mention of it here to make sure there aren't disagreements.  accordingly, i've changed the categories back to the way they were to reflect the way the categories are actually set up.  --Heah (talk) 22:27, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: changes to cat page

message: harmala is a tryptamine, at least according to the article; it is also hallucinogenic on its own in high enough doses, and is not just a "potentiator" of dmt.  pure caapi brews with no admixture are not unheard of, and certainly have perceptual etc effects.  in addition, caapi contains at least trace quantities of 5-meo-dmt.  --Heah (talk) 22:27, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Terence McKenna, harmala is only really hallucinogenic in near fatal doses due to the toxic effects.  Pure caapi brews are likely none too popular ;)  --Thoric 22:18, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Harmala is not a tryptamine, it is a beta-carboline. This really should be fixed. Whig 23:20, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: harmala

message: Isn't ether a sedative/hypnotic, more closely related to substances like alcohol, barbituates, chloral hydrate, chloroform, GHB, etc?  Simply being an anesthetic doesn't mean it's a dissociative anesthetic. --Thoric 22:14, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ether 

message: I was wondering if the THC_Ministry and Roger_Christie should be linked somewhere, seeing as the Native American Church is. Maybe links to Shamanism are also appropriate? I was also wondering why the title was changed not to include the word Entheogen, and I hadn't looked very closely but is there a link to the Entheogen article?--thereverendeg 21:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscellaneous thoughts about additions 

message: a proposal for the categorization of people, organizations and etc.  w/o objections i will implement it in a few days.
:Category:People associated with psychedelics, dissociatives and deliriants
* Pablo Amaringo
* Clyde Apperson
* Carlos Castenada
* Jose Gabriel da Costa
* Ram Dass
* Rick Doblin
* Alex Grey
* Stanislav Grof
* Albert Hofmann
* Alfred Matthew Hubbard
* Aldous Huxley
* Oscar Janiger
* Ken Kesey
* Timothy Leary
* John C. Lilly
* Howard Lotsof
* Don Juan Matus
* Dennis McKenna
* Terence McKenna
* Jeremy Narby
* Humphry Osmond
* Jonathan Ott
* William Leonard Pickard
* Luis Eduardo Luna
* Daniel Pinchbeck
* Maria Sabina
* Alexander Shulgin
* Owsley Stanley
* Myron Stolaroff
* Rick Strassman
* R. Gordon Wasson
* Andrew Weil
* Daniel Baransky
* Daniel Siebert
:Category:Organizations and projects associated with psychedelics, dissociatives and deliriants
*** Harvard Psilocybin Project
*** Merry Pranksters
*** Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies
*** MK-ULTRA
*** Erowid
*** Operation Midnight Climax
*** The Brotherhood of Eternal Love
*:Category:Religious organizations using entheogens
*** União do Vegetal
*** Santo Daime
**:Category:Native American Church
*** Native American Church
*** Temple of the True Inner Light
*** Peyote
*** Mescaline
:Category:Books and essays on psychedelics, dissociatives and deliriants
* The Cosmic Serpent (narby)
* The Doors of Perception (huxley)
* Breaking Open the Head (Pinchbeck)
* Neurotoxicity of ecstasy, retracted article
and i'm sure there are more of these.
thoughts?  i still think there must be a better way to break it down.  i wanted to seperate "researchers" from religious users, for example, but it gets tricky.  There isn't always a clear line between the two, like with leary or huxley for example.
:Semiconscious' idea on people categorization is better than mine, i think we should go with that.  We still might need a place for people like, say, Maria Sabina, who don't exactly advocate that people take hallucinogens, and aren't researchers.  A religious users category might be useful (i just realized that contrary to my objection above, it obviously isn't an issue to put people in more than one category!) as well as perhaps a shamanic usage category?  Like Sabina clearly states one shouldn't take mushrooms to see god; not that you won't see god, but you should only use them to heal, so is religious usage really a correct categorization for her?  on the other hand i can't think of any other shamans/curanderos who used hallucinogens ritually and have an article here . . .--Heah talk 00:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  people/organizations proposal