Talk:National anthem of South Africa

message: Without the Afrikaans and english it is not the national anthem of South Africa thus the link should be removed as it plays some song that is not the official anthem of South Africa!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.90.105.63 (talk • contribs) 11:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Link

message: Dwo,
Have you taken a look at the external links at the bottom of this article and read them? Was not this article an almost verbatim copy of the prime source? ....  hunting for and removing two … letters from articles which numerous South Africans find acceptable (just like changing instances of kilometers to miles, this is truly not productive).
Tebello TheWHAT!!?? 08:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: — D. Wo. 00:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The primary sources on included in this article use Sotho along with Sesotho. Since the article for this language is located at Sotho language instead of Sesotho, it is fitting that this article use Sotho. Besides, unless the article is directly quoting the sources in question, there is no need to retain the original words verbatim. — D. Wo. 21:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to offer a third opinion per your request, but I see that there is no dispute. Unless you are in dispute with another editor, 3O is not relevant. For what it is worth, I visited the Sotho article and found "Sesotho is, and has always been, the name of the language in the language itself, and this term has come into wider use in English and other non-Bantu languages since the 1980s", which confirms what I had thought. Adrian M. H. 22:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text:  (Interjection: The dispute was hard to see because a post had been removed.)  — Athaenara ✉ 04:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Having read the Third Opinion request, I believe that Sotho is the correct term to use. I say this because this is the English wikipedia, and in general English names should be used, particularly in articles dealing with countries as multi-lingual as South Africa. Otherwise, for example, we would need to makes changes such as "Zulu" to "isuZulu", and arguably a great deal more, until eventually it would become impossible to read the article without knowing many languages. There might also be cases where two non-English languages could be argued to be the "right" language to use. According to WP:ENGLISH, English is the language to be used in cases of doubt. SheffieldSteel 00:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: By your reasoning, the official national languages of Canada should be English and Français. I'm sorry to hear that you have had to make arguments all over wikipedia on the subject. I suggest you concentrate your efforts on renaming the Sotho language page to Sesotho language, after which you will have a very strong precedent for changing this and every other case - I for one would certainly have no opposition to changing the entry on this page, assuming you can get agreement for the above move. SheffieldSteel 19:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On respecting primary sources 

message: This seems pretty clear to me, and I am unsure why there is even a debate. The primary source from the South African government is in English, and it uses the term "Sesotho" - in fact "Sotho" doesn't appear anywhere on that page. I agree above that "Sotho" would be ambiguous in this context. =Axlq 04:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: First of all, people, I would like to know whether any of you are actually South African? If not, please do not argue about languages you will never come into contact with, and have not grown up with and around. 
My second point is that, while you have all been arguing about something which you know nothing about, frankly, inaccuracies have been added to this page, such as the English "bridge" between the Sesotho and Afrikaans verses. The editor who made that edit is not qualified to edit pages about South Africa, because they have listened to the anthem and decided that the so called "bridge" (the 'South Africa - South Africa' section) is in fact English. This is a personal insult, because people unqualified are editing a page about the national anthem of my home country. If you are not South African, please DO NOT comment, edit or otherwise try to double-step and think ahead of others, you do not have the required social and geographical heritage and backgrounds to do such. 
My point overall, probably, is that unqualified people should stay away, and the people who perhaps believe yourselves qualified should worry about real and large mistakes such as the one I have brought to attention and edited, rather than mere language points, ones which you shouldn't be arguing over and aren't qualified to argue over.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.197.52 (talk) 15:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccuracies

message: What does neo modal mean? 213.136.61.140 (talk) 15:34, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I hereby declare this discussion page neo-modal, by virtue of being the only one that does not finish in the home key. / 213.136.61.140 (talk) 14:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  neo-modal 

message: The purpose of the second column of the table with the English translation is to show what the words in the first column actually mean in English.  Yes, I know the old national anthem had an official translation into English for the existing Afrikaans text, but that was a stylised translation and did not reflect what the Afrikaans literally meant. -- leuce (talk) 17:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The translation into English 

message: I have heard somewhere (can't remember where and when though) that besides the 1997 hybrid version, the 1994 version (with the stanza removed in 1997 from Die Stem) is also still in use sometimes. And that it's even allowed to play Nkosi sikelele Afrika and Die Stem seperatly. Does anyone know? Gerard von Hebel (talk) 15:40, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know about that, but the hybrid version has been in use since at least February 1997 even though it was published in the Gazette in October '97. I saw a video from February '97 that had it in it. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 14:47, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  1994 version 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: According to this article, the last two lines of the first verse are in Zulu language. However, the article on the Xhosa language hymn these strem from, Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika, has these two lines with the exact same words and states the entire hymn is in Xhosa language. So which language are these lines in then?Tvx1 16:25, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Xhosa and Zulu are mutually intelligible to some degree. Sheila1988 (talk) 17:34, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which languages? 

message: Could the pronunciation be added? I can't find a source, but this is onthe Italian wiki:
da Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika:
ŋkɔsi sikɛlɛl.iafrika 
malupʰak'aɲ̟isw upʰɔnd̥ʰɔ lwajɔ 
jizwa imitʰandazo jetʰu  
ŋkɔsi sikɛlɛla tʰina lusapʰo lwajɔ
mʊʀenɑ bʊlʊk'ɑ sɪtʃʰɑbɑ sɑ hesʊ 
ʊ fedise dint'wɑ lɪ matsʰweɲehʊ 
ʊ sɪ bʊloke ʊ sɪ bʊloke sɪtʃʰɑbɑ sɑ hesʊ 
sɪtʃʰɑbɑ sɑ saʊθ ɑfrɪkǝ  saʊθ ɑfrɪkǝ 
œjt di blɵu fan ɔnzǝ 'hɪǝmǝl 
œjt di 'diptǝ fan ɔnz sɪǝ 
ʊǝr ɔnz 'ɪǝwǝxǝ xǝ'bɛrxtǝs 
vɑːr di 'kransǝ 'antvʊǝr xɪǝ
saʊndz ðə kɔːɫ tuː kʌm tʊˈɡɛð.ə(ɹ) 
ænd jʊˈnaɪtɪd wiː ˈʃæl stænd 
lɛt ʌs lɪv ænd ˈstɹaɪv fɔː(ɹ) ˈfɹiːdəm
ɪn saʊθ ˈæf.ɹɪ.kə ˈaʊə(ɹ) lænd
Sheila1988 (talk) 17:34, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation