Talk:Monkey Island

message: Tales of Monkey Island is the latest release, not LeChuck's Revenge.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.82 (talk) 10:20, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest release

message: Where's the "Tri-Island Area" information coming from? It seems to be largely speculative and not correspond to the actual games (Paco's Map is not a useful source). 
I took "Tri-Island" to encompass Jambalaya, Lucre and Melee Islands, where do Phatt, Plunder etc fit in?
That Elaine is governor of three different islands may be the cause of confusion here - Twilo 15:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. Well, one or two at least. Philip Nilsson 23:20, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Tri-Island Area

message: In the segment on Monkey Island 2, the article reads "The second game, Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge, was the sixth to use the SCUMM engine. It involves Guybrush's attempt to find the mystical treasure of Big Whoop, and win back Elaine's love, and is often considered to be overall the best of the LucasArts adventure games. Although considered by many to be superior to its predecessor, it was criticised for its ambiguous and surrealistic ending."
I don't know if this is necessarily true. As someone who has been a lifelong Monkey Island fan, I have never heard anyone say this. Are there any sources to back up that Monkey Island 2 is considered the best of the Lucasarts adventure games?
:I've also never heard this. In fact, I've often heard MI2 described as inferior to the first game. (On a personal level, I tend to agree.) Aerion//talk 07:17, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Most spanish sites and magazines agree that the best Lucasarts adventures are Monkey Island 2 and Day of the Tentacle (they usually include numerous poll votes), and that the best Sierra adventure is Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers. It should be pointed that those three games have always been in any spanish Top 10 I've seen (even the most recent ones). DrJones 19:59, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monkey Island 2 

message: Guybrush drowning is mentioned under the footnote and in the trivia section, somebody might want to straighten this out (clemmy, not signed it) (80.122.23.238 13:06, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "die" features twice... 

message: "The player cannot permanently place the game in an unwinnable state or cause Guybrush to die (these traits are shared by other humor-oriented LucasArts adventure games such as Sam and Max Hit the Road and Day of the Tentacle, but not by "serious" games such as the Indiana Jones adventures)"
I'd say that these traits are just common for newer LucasArts games - for example Maniac Mansion and Zak McKraken could be "unwinnable", and the newest Indiana (Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis) actually couldn't.
*There is another situation in SMI that does put the game in an unwinnable state, although this is likely an oversite. If, after doing the cannon trick, you proceed to put all of your pieces of eight into the broken grog machine at Stan's, you effectively place the game in an unwinnable state. I'm not sure if this is notable or no, and it most likely was not intended. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 19:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unwinnable state

message: I haven't played all the way through MI2, but I have completed MI3 several times. However, the last time I did that was about two years ago, so here's my question: is it certain that Sam and Max appeared in MI3 in the form mentioned in the article? I seem to recall Max appearing while playing with the spotlights in the theater (Speare)...and did they make an appearance in MI4 (I personally don't remember)? Thanks in advance. Cromag 17:03, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sam and Max question

message: How about giving to each game its own article? It will clean the page a bit, and also we can add more details to each one. Pictureuploader 22:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I agree with this one. Each game should have it's own page, and the article summing them all up could be named 'Monkey Island series' or so. On the other hand, this requires quite a lot of work as all the reference links 'round Wikipedia should be converted to match this new architecture. My personal opinion would be that we'd better start early - the more we hesitate, the more work there'll be. For starters, we should create those articles about each game. Sylph 08:20, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. As soon as a third person agrees, I will begin the separation Pictureuploader 12:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Why can't more details be added to the article now? Will this separation include an additional write-up? Because, as I see it, Monkey Island 2 will just become three lines of intro, 7-8 lines of (existing) text and a portion of trivia/eastereggs. I would suggest re-writing the existing article to a healthy size (maybe with inspiration from the organization in similar game series Baldur's Gate series) instead of 4 small-medium sized articles one thoroughly-written article might be worth of consideration? But I agree the page needs some cleanup. Poulsen 12:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit silly to have separate articles about the MI islands with trivia and all, and hesitate to do so about the games. The keyword you said was existing: the existing sections haven't been expanded so far (if pasted would make indeed small articles) because they would make the main article more heavy; but once we separate them, they will begin expanding freely. Pictureuploader 12:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "It's a bit silly to have separate articles about the MI islands with trivia and all, and hesitate to do so about the games." I don't see how this compares, as I've had no say on the islands, so you can't really call me on that, can you? As I see it, the islands might as well be merged into the hub Tri-Island Area article as they are all equally short. I use "existing" in the context of the opposite of making new articles, while you use "existing" as describing the current way the article is organized which I agree is constraining. Of course you can always go ahead and make the new articles, but that they will start to grow all of a sudden would be equally true (if true at all) if this article was re-organized. As I see it, this would pretty much be like having 4 lesser articles and just stacking them into one big. I think the big problem is so much info that could be written into each game section is just hacked up into 5 seperate trivia sections. Poulsen 13:41, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I just found an argument for your point of view that I can't counter - each game (unlike my darling Baldur's Gate series) was released for different consoles each (Amiga->PS2), and for the most accurate categorizing I would agree to the seperation, sorry for slowing down the process! Poulsen 13:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate pages

message: Just to let you all know, you can now place a userbox on your User page with the text "This user knows all the Monkey Island Insults by heart!".  Simply put the following on your User page:

{{User Monkey Island Insults}}

See Wikipedia:Userboxes#Funny boxes (or below) for an example.
 
MI	This user knows all the Monkey Island Insults by heart!
—gorgan_almighty 11:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monkey Island Insults Userbox 

message: As it is now, the "Islands" section is just a (lesser) copy of the Tri-Island Area "Game appearences" section. With the recent split-off of the different games, there's plenty of head-room to fill in new stuff, and with Tri-Island Area article being really small as it is, it would be more appropriate to have it describe the setting of the games in the main Monkey Island article. Poulsen 12:19, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some three weeks later - with no complaints, I'll just go ahead then. Poulsen 09:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Tri-Island Area]] 

message: Mentioning the fact that there have been parallels drawn between MI and the Pirates of the Caribbean movie is fine, because Ron Gilbert has said that he drew his inspiration from the ride. However, listing every occurrence of something resembling Monkey Island, coincidence or not, is highly unencyclopedic and does not need to be on this page. If you think that this information is important, then feel free to add a link to an authoritative article on the subject, but please realize that unless these specific instances have been verified in an interview with the creators of Pirates, they are nothing but speculation and do not belong here. --Chrismith 15:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not unencyclopedic to point to similarities. And it's not necessary to be an online citation about it somewhere. Mentioning possible similarity is accceptable to me. This mentioning no way was beginning to evolve into a list of 'every occurence'. Pictureuploader 20:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Online citation is definitely necessary. I think otherwise it would be too close to original research. If no reliable source mentions it, than wikipedia doesn't has to mention it either. Garion96 (talk) 21:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pointing similarities is not original research, it's just pre-existing similarities (and important if you ask me and others). And pointing at similarities between a fantasy movie and a comedy game is not THAT important a point to exhaust all wikipedia rules and limitations on. It's not a historical article nor a biography of a real person nor discussion about religion or ideologies. Pictureuploader 23:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Do not point to similarities between PotC and MI.  If verifiable, reliable sources have talked about those similarities, point to those.  This is an encyclopedia that does not permit original research. Hope that helps.  Have a nice day. Nandesuka 00:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See my response above  Pictureuploader 01:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When no one else has mentioned it before (in a reliable source) then pointing similarities is definitely original research. The fact that it's a (perhaps) not so important article about a game doesn't make a difference there. Garion96 (talk) 02:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Letter of the Law vs. spirit of the Law. Calling a comparison of few points between a fantasy movie and a ludicrous game a 'research' you are just degrading the meaning of the word research and everything else serious that depends on research. Looking at the WP:NOR while thinking of 'Monkey Island' you can see that: the article of MI doesn't introduce a theory or method of solution, no original ideas, no new definitions of new terms, doesnt refute or supports theories or arguments, and of course i see no "people with personal theories, such as cranks and trolls, who would attempt to use Wikipedia to draw attention to their ideas and to themselves." Why exhausting the rules of Wikipedia on MI article and leaving whole lists about movie cliches etc unharmed? Anyone who is interested only in serious information, research, theories and ideas, then has little interest in such articles. Pictureuploader 08:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: For starters, I didn't say how the rules don't apply to 'me'. First of all, I was saying why it should be not considered research, and most of all, because it was not my input, it was another user's (which btw makes us 2 vs 3). I found this similarity very interesting, unlike you, and since i am not into viewing trailers or looking online for gossips and theories, it was the first time I was pointed to those similarities, and since I am a wikipedia reader, the only possible source for this knowledge was that ambiguous paragraph. This is the reason I felt shame for having to be removed. these were my 'points' you just requested Pictureuploader 20:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pirates of the Caribbean 

message: As a Monkey island fan, I can say this article is not written by a person that know those games. You DO NOT see Monkey island in the second game, and the Tri-island area name is useable only in this same second game. Just have a look at the provided map, and you understand why : more than 3 islands! Map's name is wrong then.
Also, there are strong connections between Monkey island and the TV show LOST. For instance, in the pilot, after the crash, you can see Jack's face, looking at the sea, and behing him people talking. And you can clearly hear someone say "It's Monkey island!" ;)
*I think it's getting painfully obvious that keeping consistency with these pages is a little difficult since MI has one of the most eccentric fan-bases I've ever encountered (albeit a small one). I was the anon championing the Monkey Island play a while back and I can now see that people adding redundant stuff (like PotC comparisons) is non-helpful. I've authored quite a few of the island-pages and done so hoping to bring forth relevant info (though I admit to being something of a manic Trivia-author as well). I see that this is may get ugly when a fan discovers that this place has actual info on the games. (user:HannuMakinen)
Quote: "the Tri-island area name is useable only in this same second game". Actually the phrase is used is CMI to desrcibe Plunder, Booty and Melee: you can see these three names on the Verb Coin. EamonnPKeane 13:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article not pertinent 

message: As part of a major editing, I removed Largo from the list of recurring characters. I do not recall him appearing in any game other than MI2, but if this is wrong, please feel free to restore him to the list. - DynSkeet *  Talk 20:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largo LaGrande 

message: "The team behind Escape from Monkey Island named the final act of their game, in which the Giant Monkey Robot is revealed, "The Real Secret of Monkey Island". This only served to confuse the matter even more."
I recall Act 3 as being "Escape From Monkey Island" and Act 3+ was "Guybrush Kicks Unusually Large Butt". Was the U.S. version different to my U.K./Ireland edition? EamonnPKeane 13:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Secret

message: Now that we have a general article 'list of MI topics' maybe we should move some sections like 'the secret', 'settings', 'minigames' etc to that. I made the start with the 'grog'. What do you say? Pictureuploader 13:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup 

message: Oddly, nobody has noticed that the MAIN characters are completely missing from the page. Why? byeee 16:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All the characters have their separate pages (see template at the bottom of the article). -TheHande 05:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: The Monkey Island II section is basically a sum up of the plot... that's ridiculous. At least there could be a spoiler tag. 80.28.202.37 23:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Kariteh 07:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Did you read the link I gave you? If not, do. Kariteh 14:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monkey Island II 

message: As much as Gilbert has done for the series I don't believe that Tim Schafer or Dave Grossman should be forgotten as they did all write roughly 1/3 of the whole plot of the first game. -TheHande 18:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remember Tim and Dave? 

message: Seeing as a merge was suggested (insult sword fighting and MI Topics) and nobody started a discussion here, I think I'll start one by saying I support the merge suggestion. Currently it's in unencyclopaedic form and could do with merge and cleanup. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 22:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merges

message: The reason I oppose this specific merge is that this article seems to be (or should be) more about the series itself in the context of real life and its design, as opposed to about the subjects within it. I would much rather merge Insult swordfighting with List of Monkey Island topics, since the former is clearly an example of the latter, while the two together arguably have enough material to be their own article. If it's not too massive, we might even put the "topics" group along with Tri-Island Area, in the same way that there is an article on Kingdom Hearts (series) as well as Universe of Kingdom Hearts, or an article on Halo (series) as well as Halo universe, both of which contain locations as well as universe topics (e.g. the Keyblade, the Human-Covenant War). -BaronGrackle 19:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: I have merged the Insult Swordfighting page into the List of Monkey Island topics page. I think topics from that page additionally either need to come here or be worked into a new Universe of Monkey Island page as suggested above.  The proposal to merge the list page remains for now Playclever (talk) 18:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Actions taken so far

message: It sounds suspiciously like the classical sailors tune of "Lowlands Low", aka "The Island Lass".  Does anyone know for sure if that played some part in inspiration for the music? Dave420 15:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title music 

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message: It doesn't matter if the information is sourced, since TellTale games is/has made Tales of Monkey Island, all the info is obsolete and no longer relevant (i.e. there is no point referencing every single interview rumor or joke about a return to the series pre the Tales announcement). In fact that whole section can be removed and covered in an encyclopedic sentence stating "After Escape from Monkey Island the franchise went on hiatus frequented with numerous rumors about a revival until the announcement of Tales of Monkey Island by TellTale games" fitted into the main section of the article. Thanks.24.190.34.219 (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The whole Future of the Series section is no longer needed. 

message: Should we have here somewhere mentioned about the whole mess up with the argentinian news reporter thinking the grog Monkey Island recipe is real?
I can't seem to find info on it but here's a video link of the report that was made:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdgJfHDS4YE
--Victory93 (talk) 12:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The reports I've read (that is, gaming sites reporting on a foreign broadcast) hint that the show it appeared on was a comical news one akin to the Onion. Unless there's more to it, I'd avoid including it. --MASEM (t) 13:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well searching in google Grog XD pops up hundreds of links to whole fiasco and not just gaming sites. Maybe somewhere include this in like impact in the world or something? --Victory93 (talk) 00:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Grog XD problem

message: The article for Launch of the Screaming Narwhal is still up. Are we going to be creating articles for each episode or what? --Victory93 (talk) 22:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Launch of the Screaming Narwhal 

message: Plunder Island is mentioned as governed by Elaine and also as not governed by Elaine.
The main islands of the Tri-Island Area are Mêlée Island, Booty Island, and Plunder Island governed by Elaine Marley [...]
Other islands in the region are considered under the umbrella of Tri-Island Area as well, even though not directly governed by Elaine include: Lucre Island, Jambalaya Island, Scabb Island, Phatt Island, Plunder Island, [...]
S!lver NL (talk) 20:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plunder Island 

message: I don't understand why this is being removed. Yes, the info is duplicating what is in the text but at the same time it provides a visual idea of when the games were released, which can help emphasis how much the series sat on LA's backburners.  It's not against any other policy or guideline to have this here.  If the issue is the amount of whitespace due to the blanks or how large it appears , those can be fixed, but outright removal is not needed. --MASEM (t) 15:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been off of Wikipedia for a long time (note: I'm not the IP that originally took the picture down), but I thought I remembered some policy/guideline saying that pictures should only be there to show things that couldn't be shown in text. While yes, it could be made smaller, I also feel that it doesn't have anything of worth at all. Lots of things have sat on lots of companies' backburners. Are we going to put this timeline onto the Duke Nukem pages? I, personally, feel that anything necessary can be adequately explained through text. The timeline also has no reference that I can see explaining it's purpose, that it's showing how long the series was ignored. It's just there. So, again, I'd say text is preferable. To me, it looks a lot neater as well. --86.138.93.210 (talk) 15:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visual timeline 

message: Does Talltale own it or Disney?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.135.167.21 (talk) 06:19, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whom owned the rights now? 

message: Above quote comes from creator Ron Gilbert on his Twitter account. 
I don't know enough about Monkey Island to do this, but maybe someone who does can go through the series' pages and check for accuracy. GameLegend (talk) 20:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The information on Wikipedia's Monkey Island pages is horribly inaccurate" 

message: "In 2007, fan site World of Monkey Island was contacted by an anonymous source who told them that Ted Elliot had written the script for the film who before then remained unknown to the project. Elliot would later go on to write the Pirates of the Caribbean film series."
He would later (than in 2007) go on to write the Pirates_of_the_Caribbean_(film_series)? That series that was started by a 2003 film? (And a 2006 and 2007 film.)
2A02:120B:C3EC:8C20:1DD6:FEC5:7126:4982 (talk) 19:40, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that the script was written pre-2003, and the "later" bit was relative to that and not the year 2007, which was when the fansite was told about it. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:11, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancelled film: Impossible timeline? 

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message: The first game doesnt use dance instructions to guide through the forest. You just follow the store keeper after asking him about the sword master. KhlavKhalash (talk) 08:01, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it does. It's an alternative event flag that allows you to enter the forest. You buy the instructions from the shifty-eyed street vendor who tells you it is a map. The directions on it are a guide to the treasure.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:12, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  dance instructions? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Move. Consensus is clear that the video game series is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.  Cúchullain t/c 16:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 10 January 2022 

message: For whoever tagged that snippet with "relevance," let me remind them that the inclusion of this content was the first time the franchise had been officially acknowledged since the Disney acquisition in 2012. There were 9 years of silence before this update, and anyone who hadn't given up on the franchise finally had confirmation that Disney were at least willing to reference its existence. As for the Original Research tag, there is an in game commendation for discovering/interacting with the content called "The Crew of the Headless Monkey," so it is essentially self evident; it doesn't require conjecture or research anymore than saying "Woody is a protagonist in the Toy Story films."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.210.46 (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of the Sea of Thieves update 

message: She says she's back as well. I'd put it in but I don't know if twitter is a source we can use even if she said it. (safter to put here and let ppl decide I just joined lol) Return to Monkey Island (talk) 03:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that her tweet does not explicitly say she's back though it strongly implies it. We have to be careful around that language. --Masem (t) 03:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yh glad I checked first. Though the not encyclopedia part of us knows she wouldn't do this if she wasn't in and how exciting is this!! :P. Return to Monkey Island (talk) 03:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's absolutely something to watch for to include if other sources confirm it. And it absolutely makes sense. --Masem (t) 03:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexandra Boyd