Talk:Little River Band

message: Nobody "won" the Federal Court case in Australia. The action was settled out of court. See http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/federal_ct/2002/875.rtf for the court documents that state "The parties do not wish to continue with litigation." – Preceding unsigned comment added by Krford (talk | contribs) at 14:19, 29 May 2006. – Manually attributed by shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Federal court 

message: its sad what happened the the original lrb; being cut from THEIR band, and then being sued for using a name which THEY CREATED,
well i suppose that's what money does. Do you think it's possible to add a separate chapter on the disputes had over the 'little river band' name? Because it is a large part of the story of the little river band, and their ultimate 'demise'. – Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.5.13 at 21:29, 25 August 2006. – Manually attributed by shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  untitled 

message: I could not find information on BMI's website regarding the number of airings of songs. Where does this information (i.e. 4 million air plays of LRB's Reminiscing) come from? Reference needed. Origen 18:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: References added to article WWGB 23:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference for song plays?

message: This entry should at least make it clear that while (as it says) "Little River Band continues to play 100s of shows in the USA every year", the entity today known as LRB is arguably more of a tribute band than much else. It seems ludicrous that the three main original members are together and playing their original hits that this article about Little River Band ends with a reference to a group which holds the legal right to be called LRB today but for the greater meaning of the label "Little River Band" over the years it just isn't a good note to round out the entry. Shorrock etc's current activities deserve as much of a mention in the rounding up as those of the "current lineup"70.189.213.149 (talk) 05:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that this is correct, except for the number of performances. Not exactly the full lineup, but a sub-structure of the originals band still performs under the band name and they do perform extensively internationally. I could be wrong, but I believe that's somewhat correct. --rm 'w avu 13:01, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, no! The current LRB has NO original members. Stephen Housden, who was the band's fourth lead guitarist, owns the rights to the name, but he no longer tours with the band. Wayne Nelson (the band's fourth bass player) now fills the role of lead singer. All other players are salarymen who are employed by Housden. The band tours North America each year, with very rare forays to other places like New Zealand. The original LRB singers and songwriters (Glenn Shorrock, Graeham Goble and Beeb Birtles) have no connection with the current LRB. They perform and record as Birtles Shorrock Goble. WWGB (talk) 13:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defining LRB Today 

message: See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 09:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations & References

message: Following a discussion here, I am proposing that the band's albums be merged into this article. Either that, or into an article called something like Little River Band Discography. Does anyone have a view on this? TheRetroGuy (talk) 21:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I found reviews of some of these albums on the AllMusicGuide. Given that, and the lack of response to this, I've decided to play safe and keep the articles as they are. I've added links to the reviews on the relevant pages. TheRetroGuy (talk) 18:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merging of albums 

message: Little River Band discography created. Best, --Discographer (talk) 02:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography

message: OH MY GOD:  The fact that you called them the horrible lineup shows your bias.  They are the current touring LRB and it does not matter what your personal opinion of them happens to be.  HELP!!  I need some editors with clout here to stop THE MADNESS.  DinaMoore (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: I DAB'd David Briggs and "supergroup", but there's no page for the Richard Bryant mentioned here; I'd redlink him, but am not sure what to even call him. As a member of both Doobie Brothers and LRB I'd say he ought to have one, but I don't have time to make one right now, so hopefully someone can and DAB him here. Darguz Parsilvan (talk) 23:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  DAB Richard Bryant 

message: They're featured (discussed, named) in 'The Other Guys' comedy. CapnZapp (talk) 20:39, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  LRB in media 

message: I have tagged this article re improving the number of citations. In the "History" section, the first four pages have only one extremely lonely citation. This situation is totally unacceptable. Unfortunately, I am up to my ears in work at Wikipedia, which is a pity because I would like to help. Australian music deserves better than this. CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations tag 

message: GLENN Shorrock is trying to legally silence the ( FAKE ) American version of Australian band Little River Band.
The US version of LRB contains no original members, but owns the rights to the band’s iconic name. But Not To The Original Songs
Glenn Shorrock said,
“I wrote a letter to Jimmy Fallon and said ‘If you decide to put that version of LRB on your show please pass a message on to them that they’re grinding our good name in their dust and that they can go f--- themselves". - Quote from Glenn Shorrock.
- Glenn Shorrock is trying to stop the American version of Little River Band from appearing on US TV.
News article from the Australian media company, News corporation. 
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/glenn-shorrock-is-trying-to-stop-the-american-version-of-little-river-band-from-appearing-on-us-tv/story-e6frfn09-1227179991272
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- The Tonight Show's Jimmy Fallon told 'Go f--- yourselves' by original Little River Band member Glenn Shorrock
News article from the Sydney Morning Herald.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/the-tonight-shows-jimmy-fallon-told-go-f-yourselves-by-original-little-river-band-member-glenn-shorrock-20150109-12krv2.html#ixzz3URJNffbF
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- A river too big to cross ... Article from the AGE Newspaper.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/06/15/1023864363299.html
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http://www.noise11.com/news/beeb-birtles-says-screw-you-to-current-little-river-band-20121209  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.40.200 (talk) 17:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright of songs - Fake U.S version of little river band has zero rights over the songs  

message: I have no stake in this either way, but it seems the tone of this article is pretty one sided in recounting the recent disputes over the touring Little River Band. A reviewer may not like a particular concert or appearance, but for every negative review, i'm sure there is at least one positive review. Do we want this page to be neutral regarding the disputes about the band, or should this page take the pro-Birtles/Shorrock/Goble stance? That seems inappropriate as a Wikipedia page. This matter has been decided in the courts, and like it or not, Stephen Housden is the legal owner of the name Little River Band.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.59.85 (talk) 03:32, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there is quite a bit of irrelevant material here that seems out of place in a wikipedia entry. Many accusations border on slanderous and are often unsubstantiated by the references provided. This is particularly so in the 1998-today section. One example is the suggestion that the current band uses the previous members' images and voices in promotion. This is unsubstantiated (the reference links to an advertisement created by a promoter, not by the band). The EPK the band publishes contains video and audio recordings of the current band playing the hits interspersed with historic footage of Wayne Nelson. The mention of the band's coninued references to the band's past hits or accolades (some of which Wayne Nelson is directly involved in) doesn't seem like NPOV. There are times that this article does appear to be engaging in the dispute rather than reporting on it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.150.8.244 (talk • contribs) 
Can somebody help with the obvious BIAS being demonstrated on this page.  This is supposed to be an actual factual publication with verifiable information, not an opinion publication. I have seen comments in different LRB groups where people editing this page chuckle about how they misconstrue things.  They are having quite a lot of fun trying to make the current touring Little River Band look bad.  I have the name of one of the editors doing this. Who do I report that to and how can we stop this from happening?— Preceding unsigned comment added by DinaMoore (talk • contribs) 
I agree that this article seems to have a strong bias against the current LRB. Look, no one has to like what was decided in the courts; you all are free to diss the current band as much as you like; but a Wikipedia page is NOT the place for that. Nobody in the current band is doing anything against the law or trying to smear the reputations of past members. They are simply doing what bands do when certain members decide to quit - carrying on playing the music for people that want to hear it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.126.68.62 (talk) 05:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

text: I agree. Just reading the lede, it is obvious that there is at least one editor with an axe to grind against some incarnation of the group. Any disputes should be documented in the article, but it needs to be given neutral and appropriate focus. Ashmoo (talk) 12:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone of the article 

message: I removed a paragraph about bickering on Facebook, which was only sourced to the Facebook posts in question, per WP:PRIMARY. There was also a claim about the band's FB page being unavailable in Australia in 2019, which had no sources - there are sources supporting the band blocking Australian FB users from viewing their page in 2017, but not the more recent claims. If secondary sources are provided, there is nothing to stop the info from being restored, but we need to be careful about not adding too many trivial details. --bonadea contributions talk 09:26, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facebook claims 

message: The article is huge! As of 11 October 2020 it has 125,944 bytes (see here). According to WP:TOOBIG: "> 100 kB 	Almost certainly should be divided".
What can be divided off?
# Awards and nominations received by Little River Band could be started and populated from this article.
# Discography subsection: Top 20 U.S. Singles – could be moved to Little River Band discography.
 I'd like to get the opinion of interested editors before I undertake these actions.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:56, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I agree that "Awards and nominations" is an obvious candidate for a split-off article. Can I also boldly suggest that the "name use dispute" furore would make a good standalone article? No doubt you are aware of the ongoing dispute and hostility between the two sides, so any edits will come under close scrutiny. That said, I think it could make an interesting separate article. Happy to help along the way. Regards, WWGB (talk) 09:14, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  thanks for your prompt response. I'll wait awhile to see what others say.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:24, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

text: Dividing both of those off sounds like a good idea. Some of the quotes could probably be trimmed down as well. The rest of the page is looking better since I last saw it though:). Curdle (talk) 17:49, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some good ideas there. Thanks for the feedback.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:TOOBIG 

message: the opening statement in this article is wrong.
this is a quotation from the end of the article Mississippi(band) as follows:-......
"In early 1975, the individuals members, Birtles, Goble, Pellici and Shorrock, had returned to Australia and reformed Mississippi, with the addition of Graham Davidge on lead guitar and Dave Orams on bass guitar. After a few concerts, on the way to a gig in Geelong, in March, they decided to change their name to Little River Band, after passing by the town of Little River. Under the guidance of Wheatley, they became one of Australia's most successful bands in the US". this band was NOT started in Melbourne, as stated in the quotation from the Mississippi Article. Again Quoting from the Mississippi article, the intro states "Mississippi were an Australian soft rock band (1972–1975), which included Graham Goble on lead vocals and guitar, Beeb Birtles on lead vocals and guitar, and Derek Pellicci on drums. The band had started as Allison Gros in Adelaide in 1970 and moved to Melbourne in 1971 where they recorded as Allison Gros, Drummond and, early in 1972, became Mississippi. As Drummond they issued a cover version of "Daddy Cool" (July 1971), which peaked at No. 1 on the Go-Set National Top 40 for eight weeks. As Mississippi they reached No. 10 with "Kings of the World" (October 1972). In early 1975, with Birtles, Goble and Pellici aboard and the addition of Glenn Shorrock, the group were renamed, Little River Band." Pga1965 (talk) 13:48, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What point are you making? Of course LRB was formed in Melbourne. WWGB (talk) 00:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  opening is incorrect 

message: Someone deleted my 'don't confuse' cap, but LRB (Love Runs Blind) is sometimes credited as Little River Band.
See Shukh (album). Vziel (talk) 13:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That record cover is misrepresentation amounting to fraud. Wikipedia cannot condone illegal practices. WWGB (talk) 02:14, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Who says it's necessarily a fraud though? Could be easily a coincidence, I don't think a lot of people in Bangladesh know about the subject of this talk. Vziel (talk) 11:56, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little River Band vs [[Love Runs Blind]] 

message: I am wondering whether we should consider splitting the article into two separate articles due to the problems and confusions caused by the band name dispute. The current American band legally called "Little River Band" is clearly not the "Australian rock band" formed in Melbourne in the 1970s and its claims to be a direct continuation of the original band are dubious at best in my view.
So what about having two articles called something like "Little River Band (Australian rock band)" and "Little River Band (American Rock band)"? These are just suggestions, other article names may be better than these.
Any thoughts and suggestions about this will be appreciated. Thanks. Yahboo (talk) 05:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: When would the "Australian" band end and the "American" band begin? WWGB (talk) 06:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We know when the Australian band began and that it effectively ended when all of the original members had stopped playing as LRB and then lost use of the name - at which point, more or less, the American band under Housden's leadership began when it started playing using the LRB name. Is there another way of considering these matters? Under current laws governing such matters, a band cannot use a name unless it includes at least one original member and the American band doesn't. So the American band is, essentially, not the band that this article is principally about but another band with the same name. Yahboo (talk) 09:30, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The last original member, Derek Pellicci, left the band in December 1997. However, in the next iteration of the band, all members were Australian-based (Steve Wade, Stephen Housden, Paul Gildea, Roger McLachlan, Kevin Murphy, Adrian Scott). So, this group could not be called an "American" band. Any division of the band based on membership is not simple. Anyway, if Wikipedia tried to separate the current band from the founders band, Housden would hit Wikipedia with a law suit in a flash. He is the legal owner of the name "Little River Band" and we have to accept that, like it or not.  WWGB (talk) 11:17, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the article?