Talk:Lowrider

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The history of lowriding started in the late '40s due predominantly to the Mexican American culture. When heating or cutting the coils of a vehicle's suspension, it could easily be lowered to the desired height. These rides where sometimes called Ranflas. They sported 13” DIA. wheels with large white walls.
Mexican Americans are the largest minority group in Southern California up until now. During this era, the true roots of today's Lowriding started. Lowriding took on a whole new meaning through the vast re-engineering of Moms hand me down cars. With less money than their White counterparts, Mexican Americans would put sand bags or rocks in to their trunks to lower the rear only in comparison to White Americans who were building hot rods.
Early use of Hydraulics incorporated air craft pumps that were once used for airplane landing gear. To power these pumps, batteries began to come up missing everywhere. These early trunks featured eyebolts with 2x4s and stretch bands to keep batteries from sliding everywhere and causing fires. The second stage came from the use of old bed frame angle iron to lock-in the batteries in a neater fashion. Early hydraulics moved really slowly and featured pull string dumps. Early paint jobs featured heavy metal flake and striping. Some of the early accessories was rabbit ear antennas, organ pipe 6x9 speaker covers, swan hood ornaments, drag pipes, and curb finders. During the blacksploitation era, pimps and players (a.k.a. playboys) also adopted this new style but did not use hydraulics.
As the late '70s/'80s approached, hydraulics took on a whole new meaning. African Americans in comparison to Hispanic Lowriders were really switch happy and enjoyed the hopping scenes. To hop the height of a beer can was phenomenal in those days. This could not have happened without the introduction of the truck-gates (pumps). Slightly altered, they delivered a faster and stronger punch with more PSI. With this break-through, frames began to take on heavy damage. For the less automotively inclined, some of these early guys thought the entire car was ruined and sold it. Not until the '90s did lowriders begin welding reinforcement to their frames to lengthen the life of the frames. Soon after entire frames were removed and customized with full reinforcement and paint/designs.
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#Zero sources. Sometimes that merits tagging with "this needs more sources" or citation needed tags, but due to the other problems I don't think there was anything salvagable
#Most importantly (other than and in combination with the total lack of sources): A great deal of the section comprises in racial generalizations a la "Mexicans like low riders, white people like hot rods, African Americans did it this way instead..." If certain trends were popular among a particular culture, it's not appropriate to say "Mexicans did x" and as anything racial is inherently controversial, it all needs sources.
#Most of what's not racial is overly technical (or insufficiently technical, depending on how you look at it).
#Unencyclopedic tone, problematic grammar. I don't doubt whoever wrote this knows a lot about lowrider culture but this reads like -- and almost certainly is -- first hand anecdote (i.e. original research)
Is this controversial?
--— Rhododendrites talk |  23:19, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed entire History section 

message: This article seems seriously prone to WP:OR. Most edits are modifications of statements and details without providing a source, and since there wasn't any source to begin with people are likely reluctant to revert. Wikipedia has a strict policy of "No Original Research", an extension of "Verifiability". I've significantly reduced the size of the article by removing expansive blocks of entirely unsourced text written in an unencyclopedic tone. What remains is some basic information, some of which still needs better sourcing. If you add more content, please also add a reliable source (history books, newspaper articles, magazine articles ... not articles on lowriding websites, commercial websites, or personal knowledg). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:48, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed content, tons of OR 

message: The types section seems to contradict the article as it does not include the original US domestic BoF hydraulic cars.  It also omits trucks.  Maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in on this but it seems like it is lacking very important elements of the scene.96.240.128.124 (talk) 04:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with the "types" section 

message: Is the same as a low rider? 91.154.169.156 (talk) 11:55, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  low-low 

message: “With these cars they would enlarge the engines for speed and just started to tweak the cars in their home garages. As they messed with the engines they also started to paint the cars with candy paint or sparkling exterior, some lowriders also contain graphic designs all along the car.”
The tone of this seems quite off for Wikipedia, and could do with some more specificity (though without the excessive technical detail of some other parts of the article). FChlo (talk) 00:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @FChlo, I see what you mean. That para and the San Diego section could both use a rewrite. That content was just added a few months ago. If you want to check the sources and take a stab at it, feel free. Otherwise, I'll take a look at redoing it tomorrow. Schazjmd (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Lowrider Culture” Section