Talk:British Caledonian in the 1980s

message: Have now completed reorganising this sub-article - incl. the linked main article - a bit over the recent Bank Holiday week-end. Hope the result makes for better reading. Another way to reduce the article's size is to use the same referencing system as in the Air Europe article as well as to "tighten" it a bit further or to split it and create a separate linked sub-article for the period when things at BCal began going downhill (ie sections entitled Unexpected reversal of fortunes to British Airways wins the day), into which the other sub-article linked to the main article (Reasons for the failure of ... British Caledonian) could be subsumed. Maybe, other Wikipedians with an interest in aviation articles could help with this. This sub-article (and the linked main article as well) contain[s] a lot of detailed information that I personally consider very informative and therefore valuable. So, someone who knows how to tighten it further without simply deleting all that info, without changing the meaning completely (by leaving just a few disjoimted sentences) and without making spelling or grammatical mistakes should preferably do this. Aviator369 (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reorganising the article

message: The first paragraph should provide a basic introduction to the article -- so explaining that BCal was an airline is important.
: As this is a sub-article that follows on from the main article, attentive readers will already know that this article is about British Caledonian, the airline. Mentioning in the introduction once again that BCal was an airline doesn't add any new information at all and is therefore totally unnecessary.Aviator369 (talk) 23:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Again (as above), the inclusion of the tag International in the airport's name doesn't add any new information and therefore is superfluous even though the article about the airport may be entitled John F. Kennedy INTERNATIONAL Airport. Anyone who has read the article about that airport, will understand for themselves that it is indeed a major international airport. (In fact there are many other airport articles on Wikipedia that carry this tag [International] without enhancing those articles value in any way whatsoever.Aviator369 (talk) 23:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Before you are trying to blindly impose Wikipedia rules, try to use your common sense. Ask yourself whether using a dash, hyphon or [forward] slash as a separator really alters the meaning of anything in this and other articles. Rather than trying your level best to be a rule fetishist and wasting your time on unconstructive edits of other people's well-researched and reasonably well-written articles, wouldn't it be better to check those article's facts and to add missing information that is important in the articles' context or to alter information that is wrong? Try to put yourself into the position of the authors who have spend a considerable amount of their time to research and write these articles. I am sure most of them will welcome constructive edits from other Wikipedians, including you. But I am equally sure that they will feel annoyed and irritated at having someone continuously editing their articles whose main aim seems to be to stick to some not very meaningful rules at any cost, come what may.Aviator369 (talk) 23:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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