Talk:Ahlam Shibli

message: As the sources say, she was born in Arab Al-Shibli, and lives in Haifa. Both localities are in Israel, and were in Israel at the time of her birth (1970). Please do not change this to "Palestine".  I am Dr. Drakken (talk) 14:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but the sources refer to her as "Palestinian", Regards, Huldra (talk) 01:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not objected to her being describes as 'Palestinian'. That's not the same as saying she was born and lives in Palestine. If the sources say that, that's a good reason not to use those sources, as they are unreliable. I am Dr. Drakken (talk) 03:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

text: The place of her birth has a name and location on the political map of that year and this. I've added this information to this article, which is encyclopedic in nature and aims to be informative. The earlier description with its citations has been retained. -- Deborahjay (talk) 13:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Israel/Palestine

message: The article is currently nothing more than a listing of every exhibition the artist has ever had - including multiple showing of the same works in different cities. I doubt this is very encyclopedic. I am not advocating for the article's deletion at this point, but surely we can trim this down a bit. I am Dr. Drakken (talk) 14:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is common for articles on artists to have a listing on their exhibitions. The articles doesn't need to be "trimmed down". but rather, "built up". Also, I am removing the "prod" tag you placed here. It recommends that the article be deleted (in case you were confused). If you feel the subject is not notable enough, please use WP:AfD to make your case, rather than prodding it for deletion. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 16:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is common for notable artists, who have an actual article with content about them, sourced to 3rd party references, to also have a small section listing their major exhibitions, in notable museums or galleries. It is not common for articles about artists to be made up exclusively of listings of their exhibitions, in minor or unknown galleries, with the same exhibition being listed 5 or more times in different obscure galleries, all of it sourced to the artist's own website. But, I'm happy to take this to AfD if that's what you'd like. I am Dr. Drakken (talk) 04:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to have misunderstood my comment. I meant that rather than placing a prod tag on this article, if you thought the subject was truly not notable, you could make that case at AfD. Disputes over content are a different matter. Ethicoaestheticist has made clear the guidlines governing the listing of exhibitions and his/her changes are acceptable to me. But AfD is not the place for getting content removed from an article. Discussions on that occur here. I suggest you retract your AfD nomination, since it is clear that the subject is in fact notable and you seem to have filed it based on a misinterpretation of my comments. Thanks.  Tiamuttalk 01:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've been convinced by Ethicoaestheticist's criteria that she is notable, and have retracted the AfD. I am Dr. Drakken (talk) 03:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability?

message: I've removed the resume-like list of group exhibitions to here.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 17:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I agree this does not merit inclusion in the article. If we can agree on criteria for "notable" exhibitions (i.e: why the ones that are currently listed are ok, but these are not), I can persuaded to drop the AfD. I am Dr. Drakken (talk) 23:13, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On the whole group exhibitions are less important that solo shows, which is why a long list isn't usually appropriate on an artist's biography. Exceptions are major international art exhibitions such as the São Paulo Art Biennial and documenta, which I left in the article. Only significant international artists are asked to participate in these, which confers notability. The List of contemporary artists gives this as criteria at the top of the page, and it's actually a more demanding test than the general notability requirements of WP:BIO.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 00:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What about solo shows in non-notable (small, private, obscure) galleries? Just about anyone can have those. I am Dr. Drakken (talk) 03:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only private gallery listed in the solo shows is Max Wigram Gallery, which is a high end gallery on New Bond Street, not the sort of place anyone can turn up and be given an exhibition. All the others are publicly-funded museums and art-centres, some not obscure at all. I'm not sure about the el Kahif Gallery though, but it appears to be an art-center. I think the list of solo shows is fine as it is.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 14:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Resume

message: The artist's photography show, "Five Senses," was previously listed among her works but without this significant background information relating to the high-profile venue and sponsorship by the Israel Ministry of Culture. I'll add a citation when the source material is published, which at present is being prepared for press in the Acco Festival's 30th anniversary book (which I'm translating it from Hebrew to English hence know whereof I cite.) -- Deborahjay (talk) 13:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artist-in-Residence at the 2005 Acco Festival 

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