Talk:Karellen

message: I have added quotations that convey the essence of the book without spoiling an otherwise potential enjoying reading.  According to Wikipedia:Spoiler warning, a spoiler "may reduce one's enjoyment of it by revealing certain plot events or twists".
The description in today’s Wikipedia article of Childhood's End omits a message that has made tens of thousands emotionally jolted when reading Arthur C. Clarke novel: the fact that humans have behaved as troglodytes in need of ET takeover.  Karellen is such a human Neanderthals exterminator… Very few have noticed that Stanley Kubrick produced three films about the extermination, or eventual metamorphosis, of mankind: Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964),  2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) and A.I. (2001), though he died before filming the latter. As John Brunner stated, science fiction is the last refuge of the morality tale. 
Childhood's End, considered by literary critics Clarke’s best novel, ought to be filmed with Kubrickean virtuosity. —Cesar Tort 00:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Childhood’s End quotations 

message: Excuse me.   The last sentence "Humanity was the fifth race that the Overlords assisted". Where did that come from?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by  208.67.104.4 (talk • contribs) 
:An overlord (I am not sure if he is Karellen) reveals this in the novel.  The Overmind requests the Overlords to help psychic races in their merging process. —Cesar Tort 21:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Fifth race"

message: I have merged the Karellen article into Childhood’s End.   It had very little potential for expansion.  As a good, concise, encyclopedic article it will probably only ever achieve stub status.  Almost every quote that was on the page before is now in Wikiquote’s page on [].  (By the way, that page needs some help cleaning up and formatting if anyone is interested)  
I have implemented a selective paste merger and formatted the information that was in the ‘Key Plot Events and Twists’ section. It is now in the plot summary of Childhood’s End. If you don’t think this is sufficient material on him, perhaps a separate section within the Childhood’s End article will be good.
If you disagree with any of the actions I’ve taken regarding the Karellen article, please leave a message here or on my talk page.  We can always work out a good article that deserves to stand on its own, but since Karellen has needed cleanup and merging for quite a while, I thought I would just be bold. Lebroyl 23:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure if the creator of the original article would agree with your deletion of his article (before I inserted the quotations).  Can you retrieve the info for us please? I left a note in your talk page. --Cesar Tort 01:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All the old text is still available through the History tab on the article page. Just bring up the history and look for your last edit. Click on the date for that edit, and you'll see the page as it existed then. -- Kesh 01:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I will move that info to my web page and didn't want it permanently deleted.  But I am also concerned for the original Karellen article (not my quotations).  Lebroyl should have asked before removing that article altogether. --Cesar Tort 01:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about this guys. The discussion to merge had been quiet for a few months after most agreed on a merge, so in accordance with policy on merging, I was OK. I made sure to save all information from the page that was relevant as an encyclopedic article, and all of the quotes to Wikiquote.  Anything that wasn't saved was repetitive with the other stuff in Childhood's End, or did not necessarily belong in an article. It is still in the history section for referring back to if you need to. We can always still discuss changes or bringing back the article if we really rework it. Lebroyl 16:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged