Talk:Mourning of Muharram

message: At least not a joyous occasion. I don't know why everyone thinks that. Muharram is the first month of the Islamic calendar. The tenth day of Muharram is called Ashurah (a day of mourning). For heaven's sake the Shi'ites do not celebrate the new year. They start their mourning ritual at this time. There are no festivities for the Shi'ites. You see many of the Shi'ites are Syed and claim direct descendence from one of the Imams. The death of the Imam is co-memorated like the death of an important family member. You would not celebrate the first of January as New Year's eve if your mom or dad died on that day, would you? So we do not celebrate the arrival of the New Year because our ancestors were brutally massacred on that day. This  information is from the descendant of the son of Imam Husain..an Abidi Syed..ME so you can be sure this is accurate. If you don't believe me do your own research. Netpari 04:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can vouch for every single word he wrote, this comming from a sayed also. While some parts of the world start their new year with drunk parties and wild brawls, making the police go on their toes, we have our crime rate lowered due to the mourning of our relative. We dont celebrate, we mourn. --Striver 00:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I changed the article name back to Festival of Muharram. Although you are right in that the observances are more solemn than festive, Festival of Muharram is a more common name and therefore should be used (see naming convention). joturner 16:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I noticed that too, But I don't know enough about this to be confident enough to edit it. --Irishpunktom\talk 18:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you really think the Muslim New Year article is necessary? This article basically covers all that can/will be covered in the Muslim New Year article. Even the first paragraphs states that "Muslims around the world celebrate the new Islamic year, the Shi'ite sect has most visible celebration proceedings.". IMHO, you should either delete or redirect the Muslim New Year article to here Nil Einne 18:06, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Muharram is NOT a festival.

message: There are several articles about this issue including Mätam, Azadari of Muharram and Majlis-e-Aza. Unfortunately all of them are weak. Therefor I propose merging all of them in this article to make a good one. I chose this one due to the fact that I guess its name is more familiar for native speakers of  English. Please add you idea below.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 02:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its better to merge them. AliFazal 11:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the comparative shortness of each of the articles, it makes sense to me as well. If the content does grow excessively long in the future, they could always be separated out again then. John Carter 14:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine, but matam is becoming rather taboo. Whilst I agree with the other two, the thing with matam is we'll have so many people fighting on that article it's going to bring down the rest of it, and just end up being a headache for us. I suggest we let people use matam as their battleground for the time being and at least have these two comprise one nice article. Eventually matam will need to be its own thing anyway, might as well not pain ourselves with bringing its controversy to a normal article now. --Enzuru 03:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Is this vandalism, or just badly mangled English?
Around 1990s, after the post-first American-Iraq War, Iraq's Mehdi militia return to Iran for search Imam Mahdi.
Either way, would someone please fix it?
Terry Yager (talk) 05:38, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: This article only reflects the traditional belief and local legends, and fully neglects certain scholastic and modern approaches. For example, there are striking similarities between the Shia traditions and ancient, pre-Islamic cults of the region, for example the Zoroastrian Siyâvash cult. Pre-Islamic Persians and other Zoroastrians in Mesopotamia used to mourn for the Avestan hero Siyâvash. The Iranian scholar Amir-Moezzi writes in the Encyclopaedia Iranica (article "Shahrbanu": ):
*... The figure of Šahrbānu may be situated within the complex network of relations between Persians and Shiʿites. These relations naturally belong to the wider framework of the attitude of Persians towards Islam and the authorities and institutions that represent it during the early centuries of the hejra. This latter phenomenon has been studied widely in its many forms (Yarshater 1998, bibliography; Amir-Moezzi 2002a, pp. 532-36). On the other hand, links of a religious and doctrinal nature between ancient Iranian religions and Imami Shiʿism constitute a field of research that still remains almost completely unexplored. The complex material of the Šahrbānu tradition forms part of those elements that link Imamism to ancient Persia and serve to revalidate pre-Islamic Persian culture. Some noteworthy examples: the tradition according to which the celestial Book of Zoroaster consisted of 12000 volumes containing all Knowledge and ʿAli depicted as the Knower par excellence of this Book (Kolayni 1956, I, p. 161; Ebn Bābawayh 1984, p. 206); the tradition praising the justice of Iranian kings, particularly that of Anušervān (q.v.), during whose reign the Prophet was born (Majlesi, XV, pp. 250, 254, 279 ff.); the emblematic figure of Salmān the Persian as the Persian sage, the ideal Muslim and archetype of the Shiʿite initiate adept (Massignon, passim); the glorification of two of the most important Persian festivals, Nowruz and Mehregān in Hadiths going back to Shiʿite Imams (Walbridge, passim); mourning rituals for Imam Ḥosayn as a continuation of funerary rituals and ancient practices for the Persian hero Siyāvaš (Meskub, pp. 82 f f.;Yarshater 1979, pp. 80-95), etc. In this context, and when we acknowledge the fundamental importance of the affiliation and sacred nature of the link among the awliāʾ in Shiʿism (Amir-Moezzi 2000, passim), the figure of Šahrbānu acquires special significance. Adding the light of Persian royal glory to that of walāya, stemming from Moḥammad and ʿAli, Šahrbānu lends double legitimacy—Shiʿite and Persian to its descendants, the Imams of Ḥosaynid lineage, as well as a double noblility, Qorayshite and Sasanian. At the same time, she endows the kings of ancient Persia, with the status of maternal ancestors of the Imams, thus revalidating the sovereigns and the culture of a nation of which she is the Lady. Thus, she becomes one of the main links in the relationship between pre-Islamic Persia and Imamism ...
This should be added to the article. Tājik (talk) 14:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: In "Twelver Alevis", "Twelver" is wikified to the Twelver article, which is about "the largest branch of Shī‘ī (Shi'a) Islam". But Alevi#The_Twelve_Imams says: "The Twelve Imams is another common Alevi belief [...] There is not much real affiliation with the actual Twelve Imams of Shi'i Islam". So perhaps "twelver alevis" should rather send to Alevi#The_Twelve_Imams ? Apokrif (talk) 17:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twelver Alevis 

message: Beleive in freedom. Beleive in let others beleive they want to & let others do they want to, without interfering with you physically. This is what Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) told & Quran says - you be yourself & we be ourselves & all will be decided on the Promised Day. So thats it. Why interfere here or there? And, where anyone AMONGTS us present during that time of Karbala War!!?? A big NO. So just see which sect supports yazid & which sect supports Imam Hussain (A.S.). Fine, no one was present then, but one can mourn for Imam Hussain now! So let them do it, let them cry, let them beat themselves. Why is another body worried by a Shia flaggelating himself. Christains take out march showing how Jesus was crucified, Hindus do many other things, many other religions do many things, will all these be stopped too!!?? No one can. So live your life unto yourself without forcing your thoughts onto others! Understand - you better do it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Syed Aijaz Ali Rizvi (talk • contribs) 09:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This comment was inserted at the head of the page. It does not contribute to the article, but I moved it here rather than delete it. — ℜob C. alias ÀLAROB 23:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: February 2009 comment

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message: I searched a lot between sources but i can't find any reliable sources about mourning ritual among the shia Ismaili and Alavi and Baktashi. I move the texts that is about this subject to here until suitable source is found.Lstfllw203 (talk) 15:09, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: @Lstfllw203 good info.   Nannadeem (talk) 17:04, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mourning of Muharram between Ismaili and Alavi shia Muslims 

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message: In the subsection Pilgrimage to the shrine of Husayn, it says "one million pilgrims visit the city annually", citing Yaacov Shimoni's 1974 book. Can we get a newer citation that is up-to-date? The estimate of the pilgrims to Husayn Ibn Ali's shrine varies, but it is definitely not the low number of one million per year. The Karbala article says 8 million pilgrims. However, 'The Walk of the Free' Najaf -to Kerbala webpage reports that pilgrims are estimated to be 5-10 million.http://www.duas.org/walkoffree.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CryMeAnOcean (talk • contribs) 01:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pilgrimage to the shrine of Husayn 

message: This is outrageous. Why would someone change this without any explanation or reason? As a sunni, i find this offensive that someone is actually assuming "sunnis celebrate on the day of ashura". this is wrong. I am going to revert this edit. I cannot believe someone would play this dirty trick, trying to paint the picture that somehow the shia community mourns the death of the fallen and sunnis celebrate ? how cruel.
Anyways, this edit was made without giving any justification and i am rolling back the edit.Mhveinvp (talk) 11:42, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  changing "fasting(sunni islam)" to "celebrating(sunni islam)"