Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender/Archive 6

message: Hey people, i want to know why they've removed the gif picture i uploaded. its really nice!!
Please tell me why. I'll upload it again. remove it after letting me know why u r removing it. I'm also a wikipedian Contributor!! and i deserve the same right you hold as wikipedians. i uploaded the gif. file for its own decorative and informative purpose, and i dont see any reason why it should be replaced. it sure looks better than the present one ofcux.. and its a edited clip from the original movie and not by any chance a copy righted work. thnx for ur precious time.. i think i deserve an answer for this.. soon..
--Glacious 09:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why it was removed. Someone above said it was slow for them. And we're going for FA status here, so please add a fair use rationale to the gif asap. -Dylan0513 12:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, first off, it is absolutely based on a copyrighted work, even though you converted it to a .gif, you used the image files of the show for the purpose.  As such, it is a derivative work, so I do not know if that falls under fair use rationale, however, there were apparently some technical issues viewing the animated files, thus it may not be an important question anyway.  If people are having trouble viewing it, for whatever reason, it probably doesn't need to be used until that is dealt with.  FrozenPurpleCube 14:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Additionally, as I noted above, the graphic slowed me down, both on IE and Firefox (tested on multiple computers, Glacious).  The ultimate answer, however, is "Does it add to the encyclopediac nature of the article?"  I believe the answer here is "No."  The plain logo itself is sufficient. --Snicker|¥°€| 16:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the Avatar Logo.gif?? 

message: HI, well yeah u seem to have a point there, but i believe it gives the article much more naturality and plus all that it increases the image of this article. however i am sorry if this caused any difficulties to some users, but i use both I.E and Fire Fox PLUS Opera for my work purpose and i havent had any problems yet. it might seem a little slow when it loads but once it is loaded in a matter of sec, it looks perfect. by the way hav a look at Spider-Man 3. its also GIF but they dont complain over it like you guys do. and i dun even kno who loaded it. thnx anyways and i am waiting for a much reasonable explanation...
Glacious 11:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That spiderman gif doesn't work for me. All I see is a blank space with a red "X" in the upper corner. So not everyone can see these things. (Ghostexorcist 11:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't see it either, which is weird because I know I used to be able to. Anyway, on the subject of gif images as the main image, it makes the article itself become, well, tacky. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 16:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are copyright issues, as well. An animated gif is not one screenshot, but many of them acting as frames. That really strains the fair use guidelines.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Spiderman is also red-x for me too. The Avatar gif loads slowly for me on Opera, Firefox, IE, and Netscape. The image doesn't really add anything new in my opinion too. The image is also very choppy in between frames, and this also makes it awkward... --Whydoit  (Why...do it?) 22:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: but it gives a better image to the article

message: As you may or may not be aware, M. Night Shyamalan and Paramount are working together to create a live-action adaption feature film for Avatar. Really-
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117956950.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2564
http://filmick.blogspot.com/2007/01/shyamalan-bending-air-toon-style.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.163.198.62 (talk) 10:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, but can it be called Avatar: The Last Airbender, XD. Shyamalan will find some way around it. -Dylan0513 21:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if it can, the colon in the title may allow Fox to stop the name as it owns the rights to Avatar with a colon making it seem like a sequel to Fox's movie, in which case Paramount would be able to get free ticket sales from Fox's viewers who don't know any better. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 21:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, then take out the colon. Shyamalan has to know what he's doing to take this and know that there's another Avatar movie coming out. Another thing: Film Ick say a 2009 release. If there were only 3 seasons, the show would lose it's hype by then. I think we're looking at 4+ seasons. -Dylan0513 21:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You realize there is a Transformers and TMNT movie coming out right? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 05:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is different. Those were hits for a while. Avatar is relatively new and hasn't reached that level yet. -Dylan0513 11:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WHo said it was specifficaly about Aang, there are so many other avatar's they ccould continue the sieres, but with diffrent avatars and 100s of years apartThe Placebo Effect 17:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Movie 

message: Since when is it ok to use other Wikipedia pages as a citeable reference? That is completely unacceptable. That is the equivalent of someone publishing an [original research] document and then citing it as fact in another [original research] paper. Wikipedia can't be cited, that is the whole reason why everything must be externally cited. 
Now then, if something from an episode needs to be cited then here:
http://www.avatarspiritmedia.net/transcripts.php - Episode transcripts
Use the transcripts, they are the only freely available non-Wikipedia source of verifiable episode content. So cite the appropriate transcript page instead of the corresponding Wikipedia page when you reference an episode.
I will not be the one who will go and modify all the references. I will, however, be the one who deletes all those inappropriate internal references, as that is just terrible article writing. I will allow for time though before I delete them. In fact I will allow a lot of time since there are a lot of references, just make sure it gets done. Sorry to be a jerk, but it's better to have no reference than a possibly falsified one (which is what EVERY Wikipedia article is). Sage of Ice 02:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not entirely accurate, I'm afraid. All one has to do to cite an episode is to use template:cite episode. When you use that, you aren't citing the article on the episode, but the episode itself, which is acceptable. If you think that's wrong, maybe you should nominate that template for deletion, but as long as it exists its perfectly valid to use.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 05:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References