Talk:Creative Zen

message: Right now all of the products are listed in chronological order.  It would be more useful and more relevent to have the current products listed first, followed by a category for older products.  The page for the Sandisk Sansa features this layout and it is much more user-friendly. 24.220.84.2 18:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know what? I did it. --Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 21:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup Required

message: I propose to add a section that will specify the common attributes of the Creative ZEN varieties, like their ability to play FM Radio, voice recording and line-in. That way, those info would not need to be repeated for each product and the article will be much shorter. --PenaltyKillah 20:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plans for Streamlining the Product Section 

message: Umm: Why was the image of ZEN V Plus deleted? I think that as every other model on the page has their own pics, ZEN V Plus should have too? Ilyushka88 00:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's copyrighted, and not authorized. (Or you did not add the right license tag.)--Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 08:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Will take a picture of my own V Plus later  Ilyushka88 13:57, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image deletion? 

message: Hello editors, I, being a long-time editor in Wikipedia, would like to discuss why I am allegedly accused of spamming. The article(s) Creative ZEN and ZEN Vision:M had the website EpiZENter for a year, and I am not a member, nor an affilate of EpiZENter. The link had been in the article(s) before I contributed to them, and thus I am only doing my part to preserve the article(s) when the site's link is removed. 
If it does concern my removal of fansites, which unlike EpiZENter and other related sites, does not provide any content that may be helpful to a researcher collecting information of the product, or an user of the product. That is why I removed those links, but not sites like EpiZENter. I assert that no acts of hypocrisy has been committed. I may apologize for using the caps to demand other editors to stop advertising their own fansites.
If you can learn to realize this misunderstanding, I'd be glad. For now, the link for EpiZENter will remain removed until disputes are cleared. Once again, I apologize for any inconvenience caused. --Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 01:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it seems like something that fits pretty well within the scopes of Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided, specifically 1) and 6). --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 01:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's all well, but registration in the site is only for access to the forum, which is irrelevant. As the site provides information that may be helpful for any researchers/users that may want to look further into the product, I do not think that this site is the same as the others. As for 1), the site does provide unique resources, including what I assume to be in-depth information for each ZEN product, and this article is not featured yet. --Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 01:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And looking at the site, it has mostly trivial information. And it doesn't mean that the policy only applies to featured articles; it means if the article isn't a featured article, it's still not an excuse to include links that the article would have if it was a featured article. And the second link added is full of ads. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 05:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you'd look at User_talk:Jw21, I decided to temporarily give in to some anonymous users who felt that their pages deserved to be in the article, as it is helpful to the user. By the way, if a webpage has information AND ads, does it make it anti-open-source, or anti-GNU? I hope that I am not that fanatical about copyrights and royalties, like our admins in Wikipedia. No worries, I won't bring back the Third-party support thing. I'm glad all this is, well, over... --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillah 20:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Your Claims...

message: I hope this important info on how the ZEN Nano differs from other ZENs is preserved in the article:
: The ZEN Nano is a rebranded MuVo N200 and unlike other ZENs, the music is transferred and stored in the player like on a USB memory stick, without requiring any specific software. 
--TuukkaH 18:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ZEN Nano (Plus) 

message: What sort of embedded software do the players use? Is it stored on the hard drive, or in ROM? My brother's ZEN Vision:M has a bad HD and I was wondering if I can simply replace the 1.8" HD, or would I have to also restore software? 71.75.170.119 21:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to sites like EpiZENter.net, or the Creative Support Forum for technical support. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 03:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embedded software 

message: The Creative WAV is now available at online U.S. stores like Wal-Mart. I will move the WAV out of the Domestic player list and on to the list with U.S. player. 8/19/07 10:30 --Zach. (If someone could add Wal-Mart to the references page that would be helpful, I do not know how to add references).
:Doesn't matter.--Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 00:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creative Wav availability. 

message: dabs.com lists the Creative Zen Vision: M model as discontinued. Is this correct?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.89.216 (talk) 19:45, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
:Well, the slimmed-down version of the 60GB model just hit the shores of the States, so I'm not that sure. Wait a year, I suppose. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 00:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creative Zen Vision: M discontinued? 

message: The first sentence, which sets the tone of this article, reads like advertising copy from Creative rather than an encyclopedia article.  The awards won by individual products are well mentioned throughout the rest of the article.  The words "award-winning" need to be removed from the first sentence.  It will make the article more editorially legitimate.
:Duly noted. I suppose a series of commericial electronics is different from artists or actors, with their oh-so-mighty "... is an Academy Award-winning ... is a Grammy-winning ..." --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 00:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Award Winning? 

message: With the release of the Creative Zen (nothing after), should this become a page that directs people to the Zen series or new Zen player? It's gonna be confusing otherwise. 22:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. You see, three ZEN products have their own pages; the title is simply their product name (no company name, eg. "ZEN V", "ZEN Vision W"). So the new ZEN, just plain ZEN, will get a name like "ZEN (player)", "ZEN (portable media player)", "ZEN (flash player)" (to distinguish it to another player named ZEN, which was a hard drive clone of the ZEN Micro), or "ZEN (PMP)".--Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 00:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Make page a disambiguation page

message: is any info about upcoming successors of the zen vision:m series available? will creative launch a new series at the end of this year?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.55.39.255 (talk) 23:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So far as I know, the new ZEN, just plain ZEN, is the successor to the ZEN Vision:M as it has the same screen size and features. And since it uses flash memory, it could also be considered as the successor of the ZEN V Plus, which shares the same memory type and capacities (up to 16GB).--Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 00:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  new players? 

message: There seems to be something wrong with this section. Most ZEN players DO support drag and drop file transfer.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.73.177.165 (talk) 13:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you DO need to install software for drivers in order to enable drag and drop. After all, the ZEN player wouldn't appear with a drive letter, but an MTP-based folder in My Computer, called ZEN (product name) Series.--Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 20:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't have WMP installed (or removed completely via script because you hate phone-home-software telling MS what media you're consuming), you're really up the creek without a paddle with your Zen. You can't just use your favorite file manager to manage music and this is a pretty problematic policy which should be noted in the article. 213.39.132.199 (talk) 08:56, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternative Software

message: Yes, the one with "no surname", as Jasmine France of CNet put it. I am planning to create an article for it, like the ZEN Vision:M, ZEN V, and ZEN Vision W. If anyone found a DAP/PMP article in the same situation and has a bracket in the title, can you please tell us the link of it? Thanks. Otherwise, we'd have to debate on its title... which one do you like?
*ZEN (player)
*ZEN (portable media player)
*ZEN (device)
*ZEN (electronic device)
*ZEN (PMP)
*ZEN (Creative PMP)
*ZEN (Creative player)
I prefer not to have the title as Creative ZEN-something, as Creative is supposed to be the company, and ZEN the brand name and in this case, acts as the player name (just like the iPod before the 'classic' was added). It would be appreciated if users wouldn't create the article themselves without discussion; it would cause a lot of trouble for the community. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 05:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Decided to create article under ZEN (portable media player). Any response? Discuss here first if you would like a name change. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 04:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for the new ZEN player 

message: Circuit City recently had them on clearance, and Amazon.com no longer directly stocks them(though some Amazon Marketplace partner sellers still stock it). Has Creative given up on hard-drive players completely? Ranma9617 (talk) 03:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[ZEN Vision W]] discontinued? 

message: I think the article is wrong, I found the firmware updates for Zen Xtra here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.136.125.249 (talk) 19:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Check your link. --PenaltyKillahJw21 06:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zen Xtra firmware not removed from Creative page 

message: Um, they made this...
I actually own one. Should it be mentioned somewhere under the Neeon thing?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.96.174.66 (talk) 18:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says "available..in Asian countries", depending on your definition of Asian country could include Australia. It is also sold in Australia. I bought my 2GB version about 2 1/2 years ago, as far as I recall.My POV it's a good unit. Very easy to use. Earphones didn't last as long as they should, didn't include a case. But for A$100, it was good value at the time. Phone Support line could be improved, their command of English not good enough IMHO.--220.101.28.25 (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zen Neeon 2 

message: I was just adding the products released by Creative last month, and I realized that the ZEN Style 100 wasn't being sold on Amazon or Creative's website. Is it possible that it was discontinued, or simply never released?
Also, I'm moving the ZEN V/ZEN V PLUS to the discontinued players. Again, it's not being sold on Amazon or Creative's website. -Jaigoda (talk) 19:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ZEN Style 100 Already Discontinued? 

message: Should it be "Creative Zen" or "Creative ZEN"? Both are in use in this article. --Mortense (talk) 17:30, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Creative Zen" or "Creative ZEN" 

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