Talk:Lyndon LaRouche/Archive 9

message: I am informed that Snowspinner is on a Wikivacation, which is unfortunate, because I think he had a pronounced civilizing impact on the editing here. I would like to urge editors to stick to his guidelines: provide a clear an honest rationale for each edit, and do not revert multiple edits with a single misleading edit memo. The LaRouche-related pages have made a noticeable shift towards compliance with the NPOV guidelines, and while there is much work left to be done, I hope that all parties concerned recognize that there has been progress.
--Herschelkrustofsky 21:13, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Snowspinner's mediation

message: This is the last paragraph from that article!!
"LaRouche, an outspoken political activist, set the record for consecutive attempts at the presidency by running eight times. He started Wikipedia.com, a Web site functioning as both a free encyclopedia and a wiki community, which allows users to add information to posted articles. He is known to be a promoter of conspiracy theories and has frequently been accused of being a fascist and an anti-Semite - claims he has denied. In 1988 he was sentenced to 15 years in prison for conspiracy, mail fraud and tax code violations but served only five."
Comments anyone??
Capone 17:53, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The last two sentences are clearly taken from the beginning of the Wikipedia Lyndon LaRouche article. Weed Harper 20:30, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Very Funny

message: People like Chip Berlet are not "critics" of LaRouche. They have no qualifications, and only seek to misrepresent LaRouche's ideas. No one who has read LaRouche takes them seriously. Why are they in this article? 172.194.139.122 14:04, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: They have no qualifications
What would qualify one to be a critic of LaRouche in your eyes? AndyL 23:18, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Be serious

message: I see that the edit war has centered itself on a couple of passages about LaRouche's move away from Marxism. At the risk of involving myself more than I ought, considering my desire to be a mediator, perhaps the LaRouche supporters who want this information removed could simply add to the article their evidence for why the information is not credible? Snowspinner 02:31, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)
Well, it's kind of a stretch to call it "information." In the one case, you have a guy who knew LaRouche 40-50 years ago who is claiming that, contrary to everything that LaRouche has ever written or said, LaRouche is in favor of a totalitarian dictatorship. Now we could point out that this is contrary to everything that LaRouche has ever written or said, but considering the fact that no evidence for the charge is offered, why put it in in the first place? Answer: because it is mudslinging. It appears to me that Andy is not confident that he can find enough factual information to make LaRouche look bad, so he resorts to baseless insinuations.
The same goes for the Chip Berlet theory that LaRouche was traumatized by a breakup with his wife and that caused him to reject Marxism. In fact, LaRouche and his ex-wife both served in a friendly fashion on the national executive board of the NCLC for 15 years after the breakup, so they couldn't have been all that traumatized, and even if they were traumatized, they were both adults committed to a political mission. The only purpose of Berlet's insinuation is to sling mud. 
As to why we shouldn't include a lot of these things and then rebut them:
1. That would make for a lousy encyclopedia article -- like tabloid reporting.
2. Andy has deleted pro-LaRouche statements, such as the one I put in from Norbert Brainin, calling it "sycophantic." What's good for the goose is good for the gander -- I don't mind having the article take note of the fact that Berlet has a low opinion of LaRouche, but I don't see making the article into a forum for Berlet's opinions.
3. There is already a substantial number of opinions and theories from Berlet et al in the article. I think there ought to be some sort of standard for whether it is really pertinent "information," or just Andy looking for a pretext to insert his POV. Weed Harper 05:12, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's kind of a stretch to call it "information." In the one case, you have a guy who knew LaRouche 40-50 years
1969 is "40-50 years ago"?
Anyway, if Weed and Hershel continue to vandalise the article by censoring comments by LaRouche's critics I will make a complaint against them before the Arbcom. AndyL 13:02, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: I have never seen documentation for your assertions about LaRouche's view on vaginas, anuses, and so forth. I am skeptical, given your reliance on sources who are, without exception, burnt-out counterculture losers turned "critics." On the other hand, I do find LaRouche's writings on the "psycho-sexual" dimension of political organizing, such as "Beyond Psychoanalysis," very useful -- because he is talking about the role of love in political organizing. Trying to pursue a political agenda that is not motivated by a real love of mankind, results in something akin to sexual impotence, an attempt to "perform" without real passion -- witness the fate of your counterculture losers. --Herschelkrustofsky 22:19, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Try LaRouche's The Sexual Impotency of the Puerto Rican Socialist Party AndyL 08:23, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleting Passages

message: Not to be missed: Florida Election Ballot. --Herschelkrustofsky 21:35, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Off topic, but worthy of your attention

message: The big box is useful, but distracting, and it jumbles up the tables of contents on my browser. I moved it to the end of the articles. Weed Harper 01:10, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The big box

message: I have archived a sizeable chunk of this page. If anyone objects, I trust that they will not hesitate to say so. --Herschelkrustofsky 12:53, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive