Talk:Killing of Amadou Diallo

message: Amadou Bailo Diallo (September 2, 1975 - February 4, 1999) a 22-year-old man from Guinea was killed by four white members of the New York City Police Department's Street Crime Unit on February 4, 1999.
1999-1975=24. Granted, his birthday was 7 months off. Still, new math? I'm not fixing it myself because I don't know if it's 1975 or "a 22-year-old" that's wrong. --Charles A. L. 20:43, Nov 12, 2003 (UTC)
Yeah! Everything I've seen on the web says he was 22, and the sites that mention his birthdate also say he was born on September 2, 1975. Was he in suspended animation for a year or something? It seems like no one bothered to do the math. I've left out the age entirely, it's implied by the dates anyway. Tualha 01:06, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Although he was in the country legally, his visa was set to expire in April, 1999 which led to him filing a false asylum request with INS. In the filing he claimed to be from Mauritania, and that his family were victims of "human cleansing". His parents, Saikou and Kadiatou Diallo, were actually wealthy and well-educated Guineans. Some theorize that Diallo might have fled from police due to his fear over the fraudulent filing.
I think it's not really relevant, and didn't fit in well with the rest of the article. I read on one site that it was a theory put forth by one of the defense attorneys, the reasoning being that Diallo thought the cops were INS agents and panicked, perhaps doing something that would justify the use of deadly force. All very well, but it strikes me as farfetched and not really belonging here. As for the undisputed facts about the visa and false claim, ok, they're true, but as I said, not relevant.
Opinions?
Tualha 05:24, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I moved the page from Amadou Diallo (shooting victim) to Amadou Bailo Diallo, because seems a bit biased to call Diallo a "victim" in the title. There is still a lingering controversy over whether:
#the police were wrong to shoot him (he's a "victim"), or
#he responded improperly to arrest (he's not a victim)
We can avoid applying victim to him, simply by using his middle name. --Uncle Ed 19:43, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Name

message: This section is huge, and dwarfs the rest of the article, unreasonably and unnecessarily.  It needs to be trimmed or streamlined so it's more useful to readers than a mammoth list of everyone who's ever mentioned Diallo's name in a song ever.  If no one else is interested in doing it, I guess I'll put it on my to-do list.  Ford MF 23:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Was the evidence really admitted at his trial? It seems unduly prejudicial and completely irrelevant. Whether or not he had commited a crime and/or was not entitled to live in the US, this didn't affect his civil rights with regards to the charges. Also, the officers were evidently not aware of these details and so it couldn't have affected their response/fears.  He wasn't on trial and didn't offer any evidence after all. Therefore, it was completely irrelevant and if it were really allowed in the trial, this perhaps just shows how screwed up the American judicial system is. No wonder there were/are so many complaints. In terms on this article, I agree the background info probably should be mentioned Nil Einne 17:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a fair point. futurebird 23:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural references

message: I don't understand this part.  Wiley almost certainly was long dead before this incident.  What is this supposed to mean? AaronWL 01:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the William Wiley linked to (though I'm about to fix that) it's a different William Wiley.  At least, there is a different William Wiley, born in 1937, who makes tapestries.  Gnfnrf 05:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: tapestry by William Wiley

message: I have suggested that the article 41 shots be merged into this article, as it consists of little more than token summary and a list of artists who have used the phrase.  It would work much better if that content were merged into this article in the "cultural references" section, and the original article redirected here.--TexasDex 19:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree.  The fluffiness of the 41 shots article has irritated me for a long time.  Ford MF 03:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree.  The cultural references section in this article is in everpresent danger of ballooning into a giant discussion of each and every artist who says anything at all about the shooting, dwarfing any encyclopedic coverage of the person or incident itself.  There is nothing in the 41 shots article that isn't already in this article except for one sentence about Bruce Springsteen.  And if that sentence goes in, then everyone adds a sentence about their favorite artist.  If you don't like the 41 shots article, I'd support deletion. Gnfnrf 03:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, okay.  Actually that does sound reasonable to me.  I just kinda figured merge would be the 'soft delete' option, as most of that crap would vanish anyway.  Ford MF 06:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  41 shots merge 

message: I'm a little confused why Amadou Diallo is referred to as Chris Harman in the article? I have never heard of him being called Chris Harman. Should his name be changed in the entries for the article?
Anthony22 00:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Our Chris Harman is "the editor of International Socialism, a former editor of Socialist Worker and a member of the Central Committee of the Socialist Workers Party." It seems regular vandalism at first sight, but you never know. Good that you brought  it up at the talk page. gidonb 00:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is Chris Harman?

message: I don't know anything about this historical incident, and this Wikipedia article is woefully lacking in enlightening information. There are mentions of cultural references and protests, but nothing in this article says WHAT actually happened. Can we get an incident report or something? Anything is better than "a person was shot while unarmed, and then thousands of people protested it was racially motivated" - what was going on when he was shot? What triggered the police to begin shooting? int3gr4te 17:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, now I think I understand what happened. It looks like everything before the 'aftermath' section is missing - don't know why. Anchoress 06:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened?

message: I agree, in particular I think the opening paragraph of the main 'Aftermath' section is very confusing. I don't know if an incident report would help, but a more complete and contextualised narrative certainly would. Anchoress 06:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I agree, so I added a 'context' template

message: 'What happened' was vandals replaced the Events surrounding his death section in the article with "he is gay" vandalism.  The next editors, instead of reverting it, just deleted the vandalism and failed to restore the content.  I have fixed this by copying content from a revision dated April 12 .--TexasDex 12:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixed

message: After seeing "Death of two sons", and having an interest in the Futu Djallon, thought I'd add a brief, uncontroversial bio section.  I went looking for where he was born, burried, etc, and this article didn't have it. T L Miles 15:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a brief biography section 

message: The early indentation of this article is a mess.  I started to try and go through the history, and fix the indentation.  But it is too screwed up.  Geo Swan (talk) 02:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indentation all screwed up... 

message: The reference in the second verse is much clearer: "No justice, no peace like Diallo; I'm-a do what I gotta do to stand my ground" (emphasis mine) -- Immortal Technique/S.O.U.L Purpose - "The Other White Meat"(Full) PizzaPower (talk) 07:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immortal Technique - The Other White Meat second verse 

message: The following material is being moved here from the article until it can be properly sourced per WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:CS, et al. Nightscream (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncited material in need of citations

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved. No objections, and seems reasonable and consistent with the other examples.   — Amakuru (talk) 11:29, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Shooting of Amadou Diallo →  – Per WP:DEATHS.  Diallo was fatally shot; the officers involved were found not guilty of murder, ruling out the "Murder of" title.  Recent consensus at other RMs involving fatal shootings by police (Killing of Akai Gurley, Killing of Alex Nieto, Killing of Alton Sterling) has been to use "Killing of". 162 etc. (talk) 17:36, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 11 January 2022 

message: Amadou is the first word of John Cena's theme song in WWE, unsure if worth adding 2601:844:4000:2C50:C85A:E8A:BA51:6160 (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: The details of this incident are... sparse, in my humble opinion. I understand that Amadou Diallo was mistaken for another person. He was approached by police officers in plain clothes. They asked him to show his hands. After this, I'm very confused. The only details appear to be provided by this Newsweek article. The only legal proceeding for this incident provided by this article is Daniels v. City of New York, which is a class action suit against racism in the NYPD in general, which seems like a broad category, as opposed to the wrongful death of Amadou Diallo.
The most lack of clarity pertains to what exactly Diallo did after police said to show them his hands. He then "ran towards the vestibule" according to the officers, for which no alternative description is presented. I do not understand exactly where anyone physically is. How did they go from approaching him in one stationary spot to running through vestibules and falling from stoops? At what point did he reach into his jacket to show his wallet? Why would you do this while you are running away, let alone when you are asked to show your hands? If you are asked to show your ID, which he was not, and you first run and then reach into your jacket, that would certainly put people on edge. How are they going to see his ID if he's showing his wallet from so far away? This is a discrepancy that is treated with too little criticism by this article. Running away so that you can show your wallet?
Clearly I am missing key details? Can anyone help me better understand? Ender and Peter 18:41, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running away or showing his wallet?