Talk:Earl Dodge

message: Since the above note indicates that the biography should be altered, I thought that some additional information might be of use.
In the summer of 2003, Dodge called a private meeting in his house in Lakewood, Colorado, from which he excluded a number of Party members. The Prohibition Party's membership had not approved this private meeting. Dodge and six other people, including two daughters, met in his living room. The group nominated him for president and Howard Lydick for vice president. One of those present was Leroy J. Pletten, the secretary of the executive committee, who later "switched sides" as the controversy widened, upon being informed of Dodge's having refused disfavored members notice of the meeting and of the right to attend. Dodge and Pletten are not related. 
The party's membership as a whole immediately objected to Dodge's private meeting. The membership as a whole called the Convention due that year, to be held in Tennessee. This full membership Convention occurred in the fall of 2003. At this meeting, new officers were chosen for the executive committee, and Dodge was asked to give an account of the party funds and Storms collection. Chronicler3 11:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some background on the 2003-2004 Prohibition quarrels 

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thread_title:  Questions? Ask them through Wikinews 

message: The recent derogatory paragraphs appear to me to be presenting the assertions of the non-Dodge faction as fact.  
The second "citation" link is, in fact, to a web page maintained by said faction. Somehow, I don't think that counts as a valid citation. I mean, I could easily create a web page containing wild accusations against some other person - would it be legit if I cited that page in support of similar statements on Wikipedia?
Meanwhile, the first link appears to point to a page which was written by the person who added the derogatory paragraphs. If I understand correctly, this is considered to be spamming. If I don't understand correctly, I welcome correction from anyone who is knowledgeable on the subject.
At any rate, that's why I deleted the paragraphs in question. If they're added again, I'll delete them again, until the poster tires of the cycle, or one of us is blocked from making such changes, or someone can persuade me that mere repetition of the other faction's assertions is considered legitimate.
Caldodge 04:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent deletion 

message: Earl Dodge's son has taken it upon himself to censor information in his father's wikipedia biography. In so doing, he is in violation of Wikipedia policy. His threat to engage in a revert war with anyone who dares to present information he considers deragatory or otherwise unacceptable also appears to be in violation of Wikipedia policy.David Justin 16:02, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conflict of interest

message: Following the posting of the tag calling for more references on November 8, the reference density has increased from one per 162 words to one per 25 words. Therefore, I have removed that tag.David Justin (talk) 13:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference tag

message: Sorry, Professor Hanson aka "David Justin", but I didn't declare war. I did say I'd delete your items which merely parrot the other faction's claims (with one exception, every non-Wikipedia link you added is a pointer to that faction's web site). I don't consider unsubstantiated allegations motivated by political considerations to be "information".
In addition, I see no citation for your claim that "divisiveness may continue because of the Amondson faction’s contention that the Dodge family controls most of the assets held by the party and its foundations".  Who says "divisiveness may continue"?  Are you quoting a member of the other faction? If so, who? Or is this simply your speculation, given your antipathy toward all temperance organizations? At any rate, I also don't believe the editorial comments of a biased party count as "information".
I'm not a Party member, and haven't been for years. But I know the Dodge family has no desire to "control" the party, and I'd say that knowledge has more validity than your biased uninformed speculations.
So, again, I'll keep deleting your crap until 1) you tire of this game, or 2) you or I are blocked from making such changes, or 3) someone persuades me that the other faction's claims are valid (you could do this if you cited real evidence, rather than playing "Polly wants a cracker" for Pletten and his bunch).
Caldodge (talk) 18:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  not a threat 

message: Professor Hanson,
One alternative for you would be to post your crap on the Prohibition Party page. I promise not to revert any claims you put there. Of course, I may also post counter-claims on that page, and let people see both sides of the story, instead of the one-sided story you are repeating over and over.
Caldodge (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  an alternative course for David J. Hanson 

message: Professor Hanson has an obvious conflict of interest, too. He believes that moderate drinking is healthier than abstinence, and consequently has written numerous derogatory items about temperance organizations (as well as organizations which simply want people to not drink while they're driving).
It's obvious to me that his continuous reposting of the other Prohibition faction's claims is simply another way to attack a temperance leader, advancing Professor Hanson's cause.
:Hi Caldodge- Writing about ones father necessarily constitutes a conflict of interest according to Wikipedia guidelines. However, writing about something or someone and having a point of view (as does everyone) does not. Thanks. David Justin (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professor Hanson (aka "David Justin") conflict of interest 

message: I restored the "sudden" adjective because the death WAS sudden - unexpected by anybody.
Dad had a heart attack in 1984, and septuple bypass surgery in 1999, but to all appearances seemed to be healthy enough for his age (unlike my wife's grandparents, both of whom had an obvious decline in health for months before their deaths)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caldodge (talk • contribs) 18:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  restored "sudden" 

message: Instead of hiding behind a phony name, why don't you post your real identity?
Frankly, based on your additions, I'm guessing you're another of David J Hanson's sock puppets.  But it would be nice to know for sure. 
Come out from under your rock, and let people know who you really are.
Caldodge (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  SmokeDoctor, reveal yourself 

message: So you restored comments from the phony "SmokeDoctor" "due to neutrality bias"?
Who are you, Exofreeze? What's your bias?  Or are you just another sock puppet of David J. Hanson?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caldodge (talk • contribs) 14:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who are you, "Exofreeze"? 

message: Considering he died last year why is he in this category? If this has been dealt with already I apologize.--T. Anthony (talk) 04:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 candidate? 

message: This is something that came out in the lawsuit that Earl Dodge and his group of secessionists caused against the historic Prohibition organization. Information was provided to the historic group to the effect that when Dodge would periodically be caught stealing, that he would use an apparent insanity defense. For the full text of the affidavit filed under oath, see http://medicolegal.tripod.com/wagneraffidavit.pdf
This above was added by Leroy Pletten, the ringleader of the anti-Dodge faction of the Prohibition Party. The reader may find this information useful in judging the veracity of the information. - Caldodge (talk) 21:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dodge's symptoms of mental disorder

message: This is another fact that came out in Court. It came out when Dodge was being cross-examined by the judge. Dodge admitting incorporating the group. He did this in Colorado in September 2003. Dodge was enraged when the historic group by majority vote refused to re-elect him. So Dodge and his minority -- like Confederates -- seceded, set up their own Party, which they named the "National Prohibition Party."  For background, see the Court hearing transcript, at http://medicolegal.tripod.com/transcript011607.doc
The incorporation paper itself has a Colorado file number, # 20031285653.  The document is posted online at the State of Colorado site, http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/BusinessEntityDetail.do?quitButtonDestination=BusinessEntityResults&nameTyp=ENT&masterFileId=20031285653&entityId2=20031285653&srchTyp=ENTITY&fileId=20031285653   Note that Dodge, to give himself the Chairmanship for life, specified NO voting by the members!  He had been voted out, he wanted to make sure his new Party could never vote him  out!
Given that you're citing documents from a site controlled by Leroy Pletten (the ringleader of the anti-Dodge faction) - and that those documents appear to NOT have any links within that web site, I feel safe in assuming you're actually Leroy Pletten, the fellow who took control of said faction.
That makes it a little more obvious 1) why you persist in kicking a dead man, and 2) why you resort to aliases, so people won't see that YOU are also subject to the charge of "neutrality bias".
So, Leroy, are you also "ExoFreeze"?  What other pseudonyms are you using here? Inquiring minds want to know!
Caldodge (talk) 14:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dodge's secession and setting up a corporation

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