Talk:Prostitution in France

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message: Ok, taking the POV stuff out of the lede again. I'm not sure what the issue is here; this is clearly an attempt to link 2 separate concepts with a bit of original research thrown in for good measure. A country's prostitution laws and their position on international trafficking are unrelated - many of the signatories to the Convention for the Suppression of the Traffic in Persons and of the Exploitation of the Prostitution of Others have fully legal prostitution. So how does one derive from this that "France [is] a major supporter of the international abolitionist movement, advocating the eradication of prostitution"? It doesn't follow, and without an explicit reference (i.e., from government officials) that last part is original research. I know many editors believe that prohibitionism is (or ought to be) the official policy of Wikipedia, but that's simple not the case. Kuguar03 (talk) 07:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sorry but that is wrong. There is definitely a link between country alignment on domestic sex work issues and trafficking. The Convention was an important step in the abolitionist programme, regardless of what some countries have done since. Signing it was a declaration by France of its intent, and as the text states in the area covering it - this became a question of national idendity - at least untill the Loi Sarkozy. Please read those sections before deleting. The major authorities (in English) on this are Gill Allwood and Lillian Mathieu, who can hardly be described as prohibitionists. However I welcome constructive discussion on this. In terms of Government officials - you need look no further than Nicole Pery, the first Equality minister who ties the two together - eg her Beijing speech at UN. 
Now the statement on on official policy really threw me! Obviously Wikipedia cannot have an official policy but must present a balanced view. However you cannot argue with facts. There is no OR here as far as I am aware, other than the research that should go into writing an article for Wikipedia. Hundreds of hours has gone into carefully checking original sources for factual accuracy. There really should be a policy of not deleting material till discussed. I will try and rework this in response to your comments. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 16:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

text: It's unfortunate that you're not willing to work with other editors on this at all. That 2nd paragraph in the lede is a knife into the very heart of the most basic principles of Wikipedia. Simply insisting there is a link in contradiction to the facts is a massive POV assertion. That has to be removed, no doubt, no question, if one cares at all about presenting material in an objective way. When/if you are willing to stop asserting ownership and allow this article to be more balanced let me know. Kuguar03 (talk) 17:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Most prostitutes choose to do their high-paid work. They're not 'prostituted' - that makes it sound like someone's making them do it. Prostitution in now illegal in France because there's no way of doing it without someone breaking the law. Even though it's still not illegal to be a prostitute, soliciting and brothels are still illegal - so prostitutes can still be prosecuted in many cases. Jim Michael (talk) 18:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: One could write an article on this - and I see someone just started a page on abolitionism. Frankly while I favour prohibition when discussing in the abstract, when one is talking policy one cannot ignore the fact that there is actually a movement calling itself abolition and is referred to in official policy - therefore I reverted this --Michael Goodyear (talk) 16:44, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They're just 2 names for the same thing, or at least 2 approaches to the same goal. That some people favor a different name should be mentioned, but we certainly don't need separate articles. And we certainly don't need an article titled Abolitionism in France as that's entirely what this article is already about. Kuguar03 (talk) 17:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC
Abolitionism and prohibitionism are not the same thing. Abolitionists wish for prostition to be abolished, unlike regulationsists who this it is a job and therefore should be regulated like other jobs. Prohibitionists are abolitionists in the sense they want to abolish prostitution through prohibition (which on historical expereince doesn't work) whereas many abolitionists think that the way to do it is changing the social conditions that drive people to prostitute themselves to survive. PhilomenaO'M (talk) 10:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: Needs updating as France debates the Swedish model (prostitution) that is, making it illegal to be a client.Nankai (talk) 21:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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message: The article states that the UMP currently hold the majority in the senate. From what I have been able to find, this is not true. The socialists as of yet hold a majority. Unless I've missed something? -- 80.217.140.179 (talk) 21:36, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
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message: A piece on the History Channel is being used as a source multiple times in this article, including for specific facts about the number of brothels in Paris during World War I. The link to this piece is dead, but even if it weren't, this is not a reliable source. And if the History Channel made that statement, it must have been relying on some more reliable source such as U.S. Army intelligence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.171.175 (talk) 08:27, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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