Talk:Unit of measurement/Archive 1

message: I can't help feeling that the Metric System should discuss SI (mks) rather than (cgs). Perhaps it needs an introduction that starts with the decimal system, followed by the Metric System and leading to SI (mks)? Icairns 17:42, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decimal vs Metric vs SI vs MKS vs CGS 

message: Either the article Units of measurement or the category Units of measure needs to change name for consistency. Thoughts please. Icairns 17:42, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Units of Measure vs Units of Measurement

message: 210.237.26.133 is me, Jimp, somehow I can't log in.  Never fear, I'm not vandalising this article.  I'm merely trying to improve it.  Here's a breif history of today's edits.
#SI units - rewrite kg section: This had been poorly written and, worse, misleading.  It doesn't matter whether it's on Earth or not; a litre of water has a mass (kilograms are mass units not weight units) of one kilogram as long as the thermodynamic conditions are right.  Though this is approximate.  See SI.
#Units and standards of the metric system: As above also I say "approximate" though it had been exact between 1901 and 1964.  Again see SI.
#Imperial and US Customary units - replace subtitle as this applies (or fails to do) equally to traditional units other to the English ones: I had placed this section under the "Imperial and US Customary Units" however it applies not only to English units but to many other traditional European systems.  Later I would put it under "History".
#Units of time and angle - move this back: I had put this in a seperate section because degrees of arc and time units are not specific to the English systems.  Now that the section was split back up it could be moved back.
#Units of mass - move back: As above - that was the cut this was the paste.
#See also: added a pertenant link though this page may be merged here.
#Rewrite intro: I mostly aimed to improve the flow but did end up cutting out some stuff that didn't seem important enough of an intro.
#minor edit
#The origin of traditional units of measure - move into "History": This section deals with history so it belongs here (see above).
#History: As above again - that was the cut this was the paste.
If you disagree with anything I've done, Jtkiefer, please discuss it. Jimp 24Sep05
===Rewrite SI units===
I've removed the following.
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*The unit of length (or distance or linear size) is the metre (m), with related units including kilometre, centimetre, millimetre. 
*The unit of volume is the cubic metre (m³), although the litre is also used mostly for water, petrol and other liquid. A litre is equal to a 10 cm by 10 cm by 10 cm cube or a cubic decimetre.  A millilitre (ml) is a 1 cm by 1 cm by 1 cm cube - this is also called cubic centimetre or one cc.  Cooks often use this measurement. A typical teaspoon is about 5 ml in size.
*The unit of mass is the kilogram (kg).  One litre of pure distilled water at its densest (+3.98 degrees Celsius) under standard atmospheric pressure has a mass of approximately one kilogram. The tonne is 1000 kilograms, or a million grams.
*The unit of time is the second (s). The minute (60 seconds) and hour (60 minutes or 3600 seconds) are larger units. The day is usually said to be 24 hours, but is actually a tiny bit longer. This difference is corrected at the end of every year. A week (7 days) and month are also standards in most places, but there are different calendars. These are not part of the SI system, but are used in finance and other industries that set some standards.
*The unit of force is called the Newton (N).
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It wasn't well written.  It included a seemably random rag-tag assemblage of units some base units other derived.  I've replaced it with this.
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However, as the preceeding paragraph contains the link to SI base units where this table is to be found, perhaps this table is redundant.  Note: the same paragraph links to SI derived units also hence my deletion of volume and force units I see as justified.  P.S. I've managed to log in now.  Jimp 24Sep05
===Future Plans===
Here's some of what else I have in mind for this article.
#Merge The metric system section to Metric system.
#Summerise The metric system leaving this summery here with links to Metric system, SI, &c.
#Merge History section to Historical weights and measures perhaps creating a third article about the History of measurement. 
08:36 GMT 24 September 2005 Jimp
::I am delighted that you have taken a strategic view of several articles. There is far too much overlap, duplication and inconsistency arising from article-centric editing. I think your proposals are sound. As far as I am concerned, you should be bold and do it. Would you like to contribute to the discussion about the random collection of articles for prefixed multiples? Bobblewik 13:47, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you that the SI base unit table will be redundant after a tidy up for the reasons you state. You are doing great work. Bobblewik 09:01, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganisation 

message: Here's some of what else I have in mind for this article.
#Merge The metric system section to Metric system.
#Summerise The metric system leaving this summery here with links to Metric system, SI, &c.
#Merge History section to Historical weights and measures perhaps creating a third article about the History of measurement. 
08:36 GMT 24 September 2005 Jimp
::I am delighted that you have taken a strategic view of several articles. There is far too much overlap, duplication and inconsistency arising from article-centric editing. I think your proposals are sound. As far as I am concerned, you should be bold and do it. Would you like to contribute to the discussion about the random collection of articles for prefixed multiples? Bobblewik 13:47, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you that the SI base unit table will be redundant after a tidy up for the reasons you state. You are doing great work. Bobblewik 09:01, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Future Plans

message: :The section Units of measurement#Calculations with units is almost incomprehensible to me. Although if I regard it as lesson in mathematics rather than anything peculiar to units, I can make some sense of the rambling text. I think it should either be deleted  or revised (if somebody can work out what it is trying to say). Bobblewik 10:37, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Calculations with units