Talk:Music of Cornwall

message: removing some of the OTT promotion of cornishmusic.com
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crowdy crawn:- isn't that a dialect descendent of a cornish word rather than an actual cornish word?
also mandolin, is this an imported instrument, weren't they used historically in the british isles? I dont know and i cant remember any specific references to them being used in cornish music (which i can for bagpipes, harps, bombardes etc.)
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I've found a reference that 'cornwall embraced the mandolin' , I certainly know families that have a fair number of generations of players but I don't know where one would find 'source' documents,I presume this was because of cornwall being part of the mediterrenian trading area?
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I've just started a process of upgrading this page as time allows. The rationale is that in the last 7 years so much has been discovered about Cornish music that we can now manage a much more complete and scholarly article, properly referenced etc. If any of you are not familiar with  REED, Ilow Kernow , An Daras, and Ben Bruch's work at Harvard on music in the Cornish Verse Dramas, let me just say that we now have an opportunity to publish some good scholarship and really set Cornish music on a sound academic footing. Crowdercref 00:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Promotion etc.

message: Is there a list of cornish bands/trad cornish bands anywhere? I'm not sure how to create it... But I think this is necasary to prevent the 'modern scene' bit of this page from becoming advertising for anyone who pops by. It should really list only the long running or large bands/changes. 
Have removed Bold on Cornwall Fiddle orchestra, tempted to delete it outright since it seemed to be pure advertising & also unfair not to metion the prob more significant Bagas Crowd there. Have left for the mo. so it can be transferred to a list page when made. (which should be put at the beginning of this section.) 
86.139.227.245  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 19:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See List of Cornish musicians but any additions need to be supported by citations.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 10:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Cornish bands

message: I see that the reference to"Trelawny" being called the "national" anthem of Cornwall has been removed with the comment that Cornwall is not a nation. Which is correct ? Cornwall is considered by some to be a separate nation, within the country of England as it has its own Cornish language, possesses an official government ethnic code- (see Census 2001 Ethnic Codes) and is recognised as a Celtic nation by organisations such as the Celtic League (political organisation). "Nation" should not be confused with "country" - members of a "nation" share a common identity, usually a common origin, in the sense of history, ancestry, parentage or descent. A House of Lords ruling in 1983 said: ‘an ethnic group has a distinct identity, based on recognising a long shared history and having distinct cultural traditions which may be related to one or more of the following characteristics -  ancestry, geographical origin, nationality, country of birth, cultural traditions, religion and language. See - "The Cornish: A Neglected Nation ?" from the BBC by Dr Mark Stoyle   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.216.240 (talk) 14:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Thank you for posting your comments. You may describe it as being a "national" anthem, however that carries no weight for an encyclopeida. I am well aware of the view of some that Cornwall should be separated from the UK. But this is not the current situation. The BBC article is simply a brief report of the separatists view, but it does not confirm it is - which of course it can't. Similarly the quote from the HoL does not support Cornwall being a nation, and as an aside as a resident of the county I do not recognise that it has those characteristics listed. I do recognise that some Cornish believe it should be separate, with some even trying to claim it's an island (with the Tamar said to be the fulfil the obvious missing break across the land) But a wish, no matter how deep held, can not alter facts, and that is Cornwall is not a nation, as recognised by authorites such as The United Nations and the legal system of The United Kingdom (or if being pedantic that of England and Wales.) The Celtic League is, by its own definition, a poltical organisation. Its aims are highly controversal. It is not an appropriate authority to decide what regions are actually separate nations, and therefore override democratic statutes. Consequently would be incorrect to describe the song here as a "national" anthem. Because of this I have reverted the edit back to just anthem - and I am not sure why this description would be disagreeable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.63.168 (talk) 22:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cornish "National" Anthem

message: This article has no mention of the large number of choirs and of silver/brass bands, which form an important part of Cornwall's musical culture. Vernon White . . . Talk  17:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Choirs and Brass Bands

message: Bro Goth Agan Tasow's tune is as far I know, identical to Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau. Does anyone know different? The lyrics between the two anthems are similar. Govynn (talk) 21:00, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bro Goth Agan Tasow 

message: "Cornwall has been percieved as historically Celtic". That's ridiculous, it's a Celtic nation with a Celtic language. Its like saying "Norway has been percieved as historically Germanic."142.22.115.2 (talk) 17:56, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: lead

message: Would it be worth mentioning the tradition of seamen's songs and shanty choirs, such as The Fisherman's Friends of Port Isaac? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherman%27s_Friends (188.146.149.139 (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Shanties and seamen's songs

message: This page currently begins with the sentence: "Celtic-derived musical traditions had been moribund for some time before being revived during a late-20th-century roots revival."
There is no reference to back this up, and plenty of published research to the contrary. I'd like to propose altering the opening sentence. 
There was undoubtedly a "roots revival" in the 1970s, but traditional ("Celtic") music, has never gone away. Hudson, in his 1908 book "The Land's End: a naturalist's impressions in West Cornwall" (p. 177) describes people dancing "on the beach to some simple music till eleven o'clock or later" at St Ives. A search through the British Newspaper Archive reveals hundreds of mentions of music that would now be interpreted as 'traditional' or 'Celtic'.
I would suggest changing the opener to read "Cornwall is a culturally Celtic nation. Strengthened by a series of 20th century revivals, traditional Celtic folk music has a popular following, accompanied by traditions of brass and silver bands, male voice choirs, classical, electronic and popular music. 
This page could be enhanced by incorporating the published research on Cornish traditional music by Merv Davey which he also posts to https://exeter.academia.edu/MervDavey
If there's no objections, I'll make the change in a week or two.
Electric Antiquarian (talk) 11:01, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Moribund" musical traditions