Talk:Lists of wars

message: The date given for the Battle of Marathon here (491 BC) is out of sorts with the dates given on the Battle of Marathon page. To my knowledge, the battle itself took place in 490 BC, while the Persian campaign against Athens began in 492 BC. Does anyone have a source for a different dating? And, if so, how do we want to standardize this? Justin Bacon 04:59, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marathon date 

message: Besides narrow-minded political agendas, is there a legitimate reason not to mention the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as campaigns/operations/theaters of the War on Terrorism?
: You're kidding right?
:# The "War on Terrorism" is mostly an (IMO cheap) political slogan and it is too vague to refer to any specific action. It's more like a government policy. Compare it to the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs. Anyway, with the possible exception of Afghanistan, it's doubtful it's supposed to refer to any "real" wars.
:# The official reason of going to war in Iraq were weapons of mass destruction. It's my opinion that having the guts to retroactively frame the raison d'etre in terms of "fighting terror" and especially doing it so soon are on par with the worst forms of historical revisionism. If however the "War on Terrorism" connection is supposed to refer to the current post-war occupation, then see the next point.
:# This is a list of wars, nothing more. If a case is to be made of considering if and when the wars became part of such a campaign the pros and cons should be made in the articles about the wars themselves. This article is definitely not the place to do this.
:I *will* resist any attempt to put this blatant NPOV violation back in. -- Dissident 22:06, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  War on Terrorism 

message: The table format seems to me completely unnecessary, and clutters up when editing.  Why is it there? Can we get rid of it?  Wondering simply, -- Infrogmation 17:40, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes! I've wanted to remove the table for a long time myself... :) -- Jniemenmaa 10:39, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables, Tables, Tables 

message: Does anyone have definitive years for the "Afghan Civil War"?  It was previously listed as between 1979-1989, which are the years for the Soviet-Afghan War, so I replaced it.  It seems that civil war has been on and off over the past two or three decades, so listing it here in one place might be problematic. --Minesweeper 08:08, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghan Civil War 

message: Has there really been one in 2004? It's unrest, certainly, and a fine line. Mark Richards 20:16, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haiti Civil War? 

message: This seems to be problematic. Especially many ethnic and/or political conflicts are often difficult to categorize as wars or even civil wars. For example Israel-Palestinian conflict was removed because its definition as real war from NPOV is often disputed. (Especially if it is referred as Palestinian Intifada.) Personally I would classify it as war, althought this propably doesn't fit to "official" definition. This also leads to dispute about other ethnical and political conflicts that do not always fall to category of war in its very essential meaning. 
Situation in Chechenya seems to be somehow similiar as in Palestine. Russia officially declares it as a camapign against terrorism, but Chechen rebels see it as a struggle for Independent Chechenya. Also many armed conflicts classified here as civil wars are not continous armed struggle, but series of ethnic or political conflicts between different opponents. This includes political unrest in Haiti, as mentioned above, but also "Civil wars" in Sri Lanka, Colombia, Algeria and Zapatista revolution in Mexico.
I would suggest a separate paragraph (or page) for those armed conflicts that can not clearly be defined as wars.
--Kulkuri 13:08, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to define War? 

message: I noticed this line in the sixteenth century: 
1590 - 1606 "Long War" between the Empire and the Turks 
Perhaps somebody could specify which nation is meant by "the Empire."
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Most propably this is just a typo. Must mean Habsburgs empire in Austria. Treaty of Zsitva-Torok ended conflict in Hungary between Austria and Ottoman Turks,--Kulkuri 09:32, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Empire? 

message: This poll is closed.  I will take out the taxoboxes, as per consensus, 2 for, 5 against.  --Merovingian✍Talk 02:15, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC)
Merovingian has started the War Series Box (see Macedonian Wars for an example).  Do we need this Series?
Yes
# It can grow as the list does.  --Merovingian✍Talk 02:46, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)
# Stan 12:32, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: A global sequential list is simply not workable in a world where dozens of different wars are going on simultaneously, but a per-country boxes are both meaningful and useful, so I'd vote for that. Stan 12:32, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Yet Another Poll

message: I noticed that some of the wars listed (the civil war in Cote d'Ivoire and the Congo) are presently held at a truce. I wonder if we should note that in the list of current wars? I think it would be premature to say that they are over, but, we should at least give them the credit of having stopped broad military violence. Adam Faanes 02:09, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Truces 

message: I do not see why this has been removed. It's entirely in line with the other list members (there are other "conflicts" listed that aren't inter-state). The individual entry doesn't call it a war, but its inclusion here allows that POV also. Really, anyone looking at the list would expect to see the two "intifadas" mentioned.
<B>zoney</B> ███ <B>talk</B> 14:51, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point. Anyway definition is bit blurry here, and as the whole Arab-Israel conflict is heavily disputed it is better not to keep it on the list. I even added both Intifadas myself to list earlier, but they were removed by other users because of NPOV. You are anyway right that they should be mentioned, so I added links to Arab-Israel conflict below the list of actual wars.--Kulkuri 20:30, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israeli-Palestinian conflict 

message: The idea that events where elves, hobbits and robots are killed equates in any way to real people losing real lives is quite sickening.  I have moved all the fictional wars to the already extant List of fictional wars. MeltBanana 14:27, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional wars 

message: I think Ancient era would be better then Era of Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, especially given that even now this section has wars in China, for example. Therefore I am changing the title. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:51, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, since The end of ancient history is A.D. 476 (the fall of the Western Roman Empire) I am moving  533 - 534 Vandal Wars to Middle Ages section. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:54, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient era 

message: This list is European concentric (as is the List of military commanders). For example periods after such things as "Middle Ages" or the "Age of Rifles" makes the assumption  that these events occurred world wide which is not true. As this list expands there are going to be more and more exceptions to this. For example wars in the Far East particularly including Japan. Wars in the Middle Americas before the arrival of Europeans. Early Zulu Wars when the Zulu were ruled by Shaka,  in which up to 2 million people died in the Mfecane and not a gun to be seen!
There are other problems with names like "Age of Rilfes" as they stand at the moment becuause the transition from one to another was gradual and not universal. people were killed by shot in the 100 years war, Americans used rifles in the "American war of independece."  The list would be better done with major heading by cronology not names of ages. Philip Baird Shearer
:Personally, I don't see a problem with the names of those periods.  It gives an idea of where technology was for a majority of the wars.  Besides, I don't see a deluge of non-European wars in either the Middle Ages or Age of Rifles.  If those ages are removed, then I would suggest removing as a categories 1) the World War since the Chaco War, Irish Civil War, Anglo-Irish War and Russo-Japanese War had nothing to do with the two World Wars; 2) the Cold war since Mau Mau Uprising, Falklands War and Football War had nothing to do the Cold War (I could have added even more wars in either category that have little to nothing to do with either era but I think I made my point).  Of course, it's asinine to suggest such a thing.
:As for the list being too "European concentric", stop whining and/or being lazy and add the Asian, African, etc wars to the list.  Heck, that's what I've been doing.Lokifer 04:26, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Year ranges sound fine to me. Lokifer 08:00, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: European concentric

message: I added this classification to the "Area of Rifles", because otherwise it's really no clear...
I don't know all the wars which are in this list, so I didn't it, but I think that should be really better with a classification like that.
* List of war, Age of Rifles
* Editing Age of Rifles
(Anonymous note)
What language is 'Europa'? Why have you applied this classification to this era particularly? I prefer to see this list as being strictly chronological, rather than regional, especially as the era you've chosen saw the beginning of serious conflict across several continents simultaneously. I'd definitely prefer to see this revert to its original format. AlexTiefling 12:54, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classification : Europa, North America, South America, Africa, Asia 

message: I don't have a problem with the list being split.  As stated, it's for the sake of the size of the article.  I do have one question though.  Since the cut-off is at 1000 AD, should we include wars which begin prior to 1000 AD, but end after 1000 AD to this list? For example,  the list of old wars has the Spanish Reconquista with the dates starting 718 and ending 1492. Shouldn't this be included on both lists, since it concluded after 1000 AD?  Maybe in a note? Just asking. Lokifer 22:44, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What I would like to suggest is splitting this article like List of Battles, with every sublist for certain centuries as separate article, rather than taking away one or two parts of current list. If there is no objections I will do this soon. --Kulkuri 16:19, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Old Wars

message: Why is it necessary to have List of wars 1900–1944, List of wars 1945–1989, and List of wars 1990–2002 in separate pages? They're not that long, and it would be much more convenient to have them all on one page. I propose they be merged into one page where we can have all the wars of the 20th century. Coffee 19:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why divide articles? 

message: The Uppsals University Department of Peace and Conflict Research has some charts and graphs showing the number of wars fluctuating with time.  Would this be a good addition to sublists, assuming the licensing could be worked out?  Or should we do our own chart(s) based on our own listings? -- Beland (talk) 07:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charts of number of wars over time 

message: I posted this to TomStar81's talk page (the lead coordinator of the Military WikiProject):
"The list of wars articles, particularly List of wars 1945-1989, List of wars 1990-2002, and List of wars 2003–current are currently in disarray. There seems to be no central place to discuss how they should appear (hence my comment here). As I posted on the discussion page for 1990-2002, I think the following needs to occur:
* The 1945-1989 list needs to change to 1945-1999. 
* The 2003-current list needs to change to 2000-current. 
* The 1990-2002 list needs to split; the 1990-1999 conflicts moved to the 1945-1999 list and the 2000-2002 conflicts moved to the 2000-current list. 
* The 2003-current list needs its table to conform to the other list articles. 
* All ongoing conflicts should be removed from the 2003-current list (a seperate article exists for these). 
How can we centralize discussion and get this accomplished? --CPAScott (talk) 16:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles need reorganization 

message: I sugest we should edit a few of the periods.
    * List of wars before 1000
    * List of wars 1000–1499
    * List of wars 1500–1799
    * List of wars 1800–1899
    * List of wars 1900–1944
    * List of wars 1945–1989
    * List of wars 1990–2002
    * List of wars 2003–current
    * List of wars 2010–current
    * List of ongoing conflicts
that is the current list
    * List of wars before 1000
    * List of wars 1000–1499
    * List of wars 1500–1815*
    * List of wars 1816–1913*
    * List of wars 1914-1989*
    * List of wars 1990–2002
    * List of wars 2003–current
    * List of wars 2010–current
    * List of ongoing conflicts
*=changed
the 1500 period expanded till 1815 because with the end of Napoleon his reign and warfare there started a new period.
That period sort of lasted till 1914 and with the murder of Franz Ferdinand started a new period, so called Long War (20th century) or as some historians describe it, the short 20th century.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.76.172 (talk) 18:50, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time table reorganisation  

message: Since the Troubles went into the 1990's, shouldn't the UK and/or Ireland be highlighted? Vuvuzela2010 (talk) 02:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Still waiting! Vuvuzela2010 (talk) 10:20, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Map/Troubles 

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thread_title:  En iyi 10 konu