Talk:David O'Hanlon

message: I am not sure that the date of 10 May 1997 is correct.  It seems that the date 8 MArch 1997 is more accurate.  I am not sure either that any point can be made from the manner in which the Robinson's visit was oficially gazetted.  The attached link gives the official announcement:
http://212.77.1.245/news_services/bulletin/news/310.php?index=310&po_date=08.03.1997&lang=en
Quite clearly, this is not a private visit nor a State visit.  In diplomatic terms it was an official visit.  Also, not much should be read into anything coming from the Catholic Communications Office in Dublin which is a very unreliable source especially for details of fine protocol.—Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
:It was a private visit. While in Rome the President asked for an audience and the Pope granted one. There was nothing official about it, as both the Vatican and the Áras made clear. Unfortunately given it was 1997 the details were not placed on the net, as they would be today. When it comes to heads of state, even private events are ritualised so people commonly presume that if there was some ritual then it must have been official or state. In reality, even the lunch the President of Ireland takes is heavily ritualised, as is practically everything the Pope does. Even his "private" Masses are ceremonial. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 18:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: President Robinson "cheap"

message: * I do not wish to be tedious about it, but the The Queen's visit  of the 17 October 2000 was a state visit, as is evident from the exchange of addresses and gifts.  The details are available from the official gazette of the event:
http://212.77.1.245/news_services/bulletin/news/7787.php?index=7787&po_date=17.10.2000&lang=en
* I am going to have to change the caption on The Queen's picture.  As you will see from the official announcement she is referred to as "La Regina Elizabetha II d'Inghilterra".  This is strictly accurate.  There have not been two Elizabeths since the Act of Union of 1800.
:Wrong. The Queen paid a state visit to the Italian Republic. While there she had a private audience with the Pope. The caption is correct. And please sign your comments. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cook "attended" the Queen during her state visit to Italy. He may have accompanied her to the Vatican as a guest, but he didn't "attend" her in the constitutional sense there. As to the mozzetta, that was not, and could not, be dispensed with. It is an automatic part of Vatican ritual. A pope meeting a head of state during a state visit without a mozzetta on would be the equivalent of he saying Mass without vestments or in his slippers or appearing in public with a shirt and tie on. It is unthinkable in Vatican protocol. Far from being a problem, it was perfect in his illhealth because it would keep him warm. In fact he caused some surprise in Summer 2004 by wearing a winter mozetta (without the ermine trimmings which Ben has reinstated). While everyone else melted in the heat, he was shivering and wrapped in a heavy mozzetta. By that stage, however, his memory was very poor, a fact kept quiet by the Vatican. It was only after his death that it was revealed that when he met the President of Ireland he couldn't remember where the St. John Lateran was!!! He couldn't remember his own encyclicals and had to ask an aide who the gentleman he had been talking to was. (It was the Archbishop of Canterbury!!!) FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorrect. The information on JP's mental issues was revealed in a Catholic newspaper after JP's death. The information on his rambling and inability to recognise the name of his own encyclicals was published in a book about the pope. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 13:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Wrong yet again. It came from her. She said it. It quoted her in an interview with her. It is normal after a prominent figure dies for those who met them in their lifetime to talk about it. She did to a Catholic newspaper and confirmed what was privately known, that John Paul II was confused and forgetful in the extreme in his last years. What actually happened was simple. She new in his younger days he was a visitor regularly to the Irish college. She mentioned that. He was confused and asked an aide where was the Irish college? McAleese told him that it was near the Basilica of St. John lateran. He then inquired of the aide "Where is that?" FearÉIREANN\(caint) 16:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Queen's Visit to Pope John Paul II, October 2000 

message: re your edits, I don't doubt your sincerity, but they are factually inaccurate in a host of ways. 
* Anyone who causes a controversy is by definition controversial. O'Hanlon causes a controversy. Ipso facto, he is controversial. It is a statement of fact, not opinion. 
*** If I recall correctly, this is an AAA type syllogism.  Another example would be: All men are mice.  Mick is a man,  Therefore, Mick is a mouse.  Hopefully, you will see my point about your statement above.
  
* The description of the priests he criticised as being left wing is highly questionable. By his standards perhaps they are left wing. By the normal definition of the term they were not. Many of their views would put them right of centre. 
*** Actually, I did not say "left wing".  I said "left of centre" which is an all together different thing.  I have qualified the statement by saying "theologically".  I think, at least some of the people concerned, would be quite happy withn this and regard it as an accurate description of their theological positions on a range of issues.
* Calling a pianist "accomplished" is POV. How accomplished any instrument player is is a matter of personal opinion. So we can't use that.
*** And a lot of personal opinions add up to a general estimation or acceptance.  Take the undisputed case of Arthur Rubenstein.  In any event, it does not hurt to be generous in one's opinions.  Indeed, the opposite might indicate a mean mind. 
I couldn't simply edit your edits because this page has been the target of a vandal who has been blanking parts of the text. Unfortunately you didn't notice so you were editing vandalised text. To undo the vandalism I had to go back to the last pre-vandalised version. The previous edit before that lacked your changes, the problems over which are mentioned above, so I went back to that.
*** Something happened while I was writing a series of notes and when I went back, the whole thing had disappeared. 
FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  reversion 

message: I am removing most of the "fair-use" images from this page. While a fair-use claim could be made for photographs of the specific Papal visit O'Hanlon complained about (e.g. Queen Elizabeth), generic pictures of the person in question (e.g. Mary Robinson) are definitely not fair use in this article. User:Angr 15:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorrect. The official portrait of Mary Robinson was issued by the office of President of Ireland for use by the media, print, internet and broadcast. As it is being used exactly for that reason (i.e., to illustrate her — and her general style of clothing, something of direct relevance given that she kept to a standard type of clothing &mdash) and the article is in large parts concerned with her, the images qualifies fully under fair use law. So do does the official image issued to the media by the President's office of Patrick Hillery, which again was issued to all medias and again contextualises what he looked like and showed him in the type of lounge suit he wore when meeting the pope). All such official images are issued on that basis, while the image of President de Valera meeting Pope John XXIII is a standard Vatican image (its photographers take images which are then supplied freely to all sources). As a free use, no limits image issued for usage to the media it too qualifies under fair use. The Vatican issues such images precisely for that reason. It is not a case of using someone else's image by claiming a legal right in specific exceptions. All these images (the conditions of Queen Paola's image aren't known but probably as an official portait follow the same normal rules as those issued for Irish presidents.) are specifically issued to the media by press offices for usage in revelant contexts, and all the images are relevant: two official portraits presidents who feature prominently in the article, and two shots of Vatican protocol on the issue of the article in action. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 01:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: This is such a bizarre piece I hardly know where to start. Most of the references on the article appear to be other topics. 
Early life - grand.
"Denouncing another priest as a "charlatan" and "fraud" - precisely one reference to it, no longer working. One priest slagging off another is hardly worthy of a Wikipedia article.
President Robinson "cheap" - A huge swathe of text devoted to one Irish Times article, most of it absolutely nothing to do with O'Hanlon. A reference to a mention of his article in a book hardly denotes "controversy". At the very least, this section should be edited down to the first paragraph.
"Bishops disown comments" - again, another huge tit-for-tat discussion about the article. Could again be summarised in a sentence.
"Funder of Dana Rosemary Scallon" - Priest supports Dana Rosemary Scallon. This is not notable.
"Accuses Catholic priests of defeatism" - Again, an article in the Irish Catholic is hardly worthy of this much comments (says "made the headlines", but there's a single broken reference to the Irish Independent).
"Sources" - incredibly poor just to list a bunch of sources without proper referencing (dates, pages, inline refs, etc.)
This needs a serious amount of work.
P.
Paul Moloney (talk) 19:46, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Incredibly Poor Article

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