Talk:List of post-punk bands

message: Updated the links of current bands. --FACT50 19:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: updated links

message: Why are The Cribs in this list? They don't seem at all like post-punk to me, they just seem like indie. Ian 22:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Cribs

message: Just a few comments;  I agree with most of the contemporary bands you have listed and thought I'd suggest that while I don't feel that T.V. on the Radio can really be characterized as post-punk (they lack the noisy/rough edge and more intense energy that I feel is part of that genre) it might be prudent to include Ex-Models and We Are Wolves on the list.  Maybe even ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead.  And was Pavement on there?  I didn't check, but they probably should be.  And to Ian2203, I say that you can be an indie band and also be post-punk, or not be post-punk. 130.245.230.173 11:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on inclusion

message: I got rid of about half of the non Wiki linked entries. Too tired to get rid of the rest.Crescentia 00:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up about half of page.... 

message: I'm going to add the Kaiser Chiefs to the revival section, and hopefully this time they won't get removed. This is perhaps the only time I've read anything about post-punk music and not seen mention of them, so it makes the article seem lacking.
Seriously, please stop removing them. At best, arguing that they're new wave is splitting hairs, especially considering both genres are nearly one in the same. Need some sources? here you go:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/19207-employment
"there seems to be a mini-wave of UK acts brandishing their accents with a frequency last heard in the early days of post-punk.
To these American ears, those vocals are part of what makes the Futureheads and Bloc Party sound as good as they do. Kaiser Chiefs are another of these groups"
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/7087457/review/7070365/employment
http://www.coolhunting.com/archives/2005/03/live_kaiser_chi.php
Here again in this link, mentioned alongside other post-punk acts Editors, The Bravery, and The Killers:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/43713-an-end-has-a-start
And finally, they're even listed as post-punk revival on Wikipedia's own indie rock page.
So, at best, you're splitting hairs here, at worst, making Wiki wildly inconsistent.
72.49.10.81 (talk) 02:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding Kaiser Chiefs to the revival section

message: I added Spoon to the post-punk influenced section. Here's the source: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/49260-interview-spoon
Specifically: 
"Pitchfork: You guys seem to have gone through a few phases in your career, to over-generalize a bit. The first two albums were pretty explicitly rooted in a specific strain of post-punk.
BD: Yeah, I didn't think there was anything cooler than Wire and Gang of Four. That is kind of what I was shooting at for a couple of years. "
72.49.8.125 (talk) 16:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoon

message: Mr. Dodds objected to my inclusion of XTC here (I specifically mention their earlier albums, prior to drummer Terry Chambers' departure, when their music became less angular and rhythm-oriented and more pastoral/Beatlesque).
I explained that while they are also dubbed "new wave," so were bands included here such as Talking Heads, Devo, Orange Juice, Wall of Voodoo, etc., who have a great musical commonality with the '70s XTC sound. Their use of synths on their first two albums, their experiments in dub (releasing an entire record of dub mixes), their wiry, angular guitar interplay on albums 3 and 4, esp. on tracks such as "Roads Girdle the Globe" and "Paper and Iron"---all clearly announce that this is a band with post-punk affiliation. 
Their influence on post-punk revival bands (Hot Hot Heat, Franz F., Futureheads) is clear.
Wesley said "They aren't called post-punk, though."
Well, the fact of the matter is that they often are, as can be seen by simply Googling "XTC" and "post-punk."
AMG: "After the punk revolution of 1977, a number of bands inspired by the d.i.y. spirit and raw sound of punk were formed. However, instead of replicating the sound of the Sex Pistols,many of these bands forged into more experimental territory, taking cues from a range of artists and styles, such as Roxy Music, David Bowie (especially Low, Heroes and Lodger), disco, dub and Krautrock. The result was Post-Punk, a more adventurous and arty form of punk, no less angry or political but often more musically complex and diverse. Many of these groups — like Joy Division or the Cure — created dark, synthesizer-oriented soundscapes while others— like Orange Juice or XTC — had a lighter guitar-based musical approach but their lyrics and music were off-kilter and often subverted traditional pop/rock song structures."
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:2636
"Classic examples of post-punk outfits include Public Image Ltd., Killing Joke, the Psychedelic Furs, Gang of Four, Joy Division, XTC, Echo and The Bunnymen, Josef K, The Raincoats, Talking Heads, Television, Wire, U2 and Magazine"  http://wapedia.mobi/en/Post-Punk_Revival
And XTC's page on last.FM: "XTC were an influential post-punk/new wave band from Swindon, England."
http://www.last.fm/music/XTC  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Fasolino (talk • contribs) 16:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The last two are unacceptable sources (particularly Last.fm, since anyone can add any tag they want to an artist and edit bios).  Allmusic is fine, but does the band's Allmusic article label them post-punk? How about other reliable sources? WesleyDodds (talk) 12:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  XTC were part of Post-Punk 

message: I thought Post-punk was associated with genres like early indie, proto gothic and gothic. Magazine and The Cure sounded similar, but OMD with them! There are many doubts.
I like New Wave, but i can't say that "serious", experimental and creative electronic artists of the late 70's and early eighties (who i also like), like Numan and his Tubeway Army, John Foxx, early OMD, early Human League or Cabaret Voltaire were post-punk. They were synthpop (or cold wave as sometimes they are called). Throbbing Gristle are synthpop/industrial. Depeche Mode never were post-punk, they were always synthpop, and "gothic" only for wearing black from 1984-89. Japan never was post-punk, they were only experimenting with glam, synthpop, avant-garde and pop, although "Automatic Gun" can be the "father" of britpop (which for me is a "nothing to do with" post-punk).
:Please sign your post. This is basic Wikipedia rule and is simply respect for other discussants. N00w (talk) 07:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your assertion that personal views should be avoided when editing Wikipedia pages, but here it's a difficult matter and what you do yourself is also expressing your own opinion. Post-punk is indeed a large and flexible genre that includes various subgenres like pre-gothic/batcave/coldwave/darkwave, early cyber punk and alternative rock, avantgarde rock, industrial, etc. New wave is a different genre, but the frontier is blurred and non-obvious. Plus, even the more or less "official" sources in this field tend to only express their authors' opinions too. Music remains a matter of taste and feeling before all, and in such cases like post-punk no single expert is considered an absolute reference enough, whom everyone could quote in order to say the exact truth about every band. The best source for understanding music is still listening to the most music you can and develop your own musical experience, which is different from the ones of others, then combine this with the more common public knowledge of historical influences and quotes of admittance by members of the so-called post-punk bands. According to this, I would tend to favor an all-inclusive approach while considering the following basic rules: (1) highly noticeable/known and obvious influence or derivation from punk music (but distinct from the punk genre), (2) non-membership to the new wave category in a publicly admitted and widely recognized manner, (3) main suggested post-punk works edited in the 1977–1984 period. N00w (talk) 07:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious and experimental synhtpop artists? 

message: Someone keeps questioning the inclusion of Depeche Mode here, and rather than just keep undoing the deletion, I am going to take the time to explain further.
Call it synth-pop, call it experimental electronic, it's semantics. Whatever it is called, the early music of bands like Human League, OMD, Ultravox/John Foxx, Depeche Mode, Cab Volt, Soft Cell, Visage, Classix Nouveau, Fad Gadget, Yello, etc. has always been considered part of post-punk, which is a very elastic and non-homogenous genre. That's why all of those artists are listed here. To single out DM for deletion makes little musical or historical sense.
Read the post-punk bible "Rip It Up and Start Again" by Simon Reynolds and this will become evident, as they are a main part of Chapter 25.
Rip It Up and Start Again: Postpunk 1978-84 is a celebration of what happened next--bands like Joy Division, Gang of Four, Wire, Contortions, Talking Heads, The Fall, Cabaret Voltaire, The Human League--who dedicated themselves to fulfilling punk's unfinished musical revolution. Based on over 125 interviews, Rip It Up offers a panoramic survey of the seven year period following punk, taking in everything from PIL to ABC to SST to ZTT, and dealing with genres including industrial, 2-Tone, synthpop, and goth.
Reynolds article in eMusic.com:
Post-punk spun off genres such as goth, industrial and synth-pop, and its long-term legacy can be seen in the '90s techno-rave/electronica movement, the current post-punk revivalist scene (Franz Ferdinand, the Rapture, Bloc Party, etc.), and, not least, the individual careers of some of the biggest alt-rock artists of the last 25 years — the Cure, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Depeche Mode, New Order and U2. 
As for DM in particular, I will list further evidence.
Wikipedia's own entry:
Depeche Mode 
Origin Basildon, Essex, England 
Genre(s) Synthpop
Post-punk
New Wave
Alternative dance 
DepecheMode.com: 
As one of the most influential bands of the post-punk era...
MusicianGuide.com:
Depeche Mode, a group of post-punk pop performers who broke new ground in the field of computer-assisted music during the 1980s...
PrefixMag.com:
Depeche Mode was a staple 80s post-punk/synth-pop band that is somehow still making music, when most of their contemporaries have kicked the bucket
SputnikMusic.com:
Taking elements from post-punk and applying them to the post-Kraftwerk synth music of the 80s, Depeche Mode were the quintessential alternative act of the late 80s.
SlantMagazine.com:
In the 1980s, the influence of Kraftwerk and New Wave took the shape of radio-friendly post-punk synth-pop like Depeche Mode
Amazon.com category for Depeche Mode:
Rock > Indie Rock & Punk > New Wave & Post-punk 
Allmusic.com Post-Punk section, #17 on list of Top Post-Punk Artists:
The Cure Devo Echo & the Bunnymen The Fall Gang of Four Joy Division New Order Pere Ubu The Saints Siouxsie and the Banshees Suicide Talking Heads Wire Adam Ant Bauhaus Cabaret Voltaire Depeche Mode 
The 20 Greatest Post-Punk Artists of the 1980s© Jason C. Reeher 
9) Depeche Mode
They made tinker-toy keyboard music until primary songwriter Martin L. Gore found his true muse – the darkness within. 
Recommended LPs: 1986’s devastatingly bleak “Black Celebration.”  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Fasolino (talk • contribs) 16:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Imho I would probably list Depeche Mode as a post-punk group but exclusively for the very period covering their early works e.g. their collaboration with Vince Clarke ("I Just Can't Get Enough"...) and following subsequent releases ("Master and Servants"...). On the other hand, I don't really agree with Human League still being on the list because it's just fruity new wave, and any influence of punk on their music is typically unclear. N00w (talk) 06:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depeche Mode 

message: * P.K. 14 verified as post-punk via reliable sources. Do not revert. Read the sources on the article. Your opinions are WP:OR; the sources on the article always and everywhere trump your WP:OR Ling.Nut (talk) 05:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They don't belong here. Post-punk refers to bands that played in a variety of styles influenced by punk between the late 1970s and mid-1980s. It isn't a style of music per se, and no band from the last 10 years is a "post-punk band".--Michig (talk) 11:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: * I hear two (or possibly one) editor saying that. I see no verification. Got sources? Ling.Nut (talk) 11:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See those cited in the article. Simon Reynolds' book is highly recommended - you'd get a good idea of what post-punk was all about by reading it.--Michig (talk) 11:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

text: The article used to contain a separate section for the later post-punk influenced bands (see here) - this appears to have been deleted rather than moved to a separate list. Perhaps the content from there could be retrieved into a separate list and P.K.14 placed in that list? What is quite misleading these days when modern bands are referred to as "post-punk revival" or similar is that they are only influenced by a small part of the whole post-punk 'scene' - typically by bands such as Wire, Gang of Four, etc. or by bands better described as 'New Wave'. There was a lot more than that to post-punk. --Michig (talk) 11:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  P.K. 14 verified as post-punk via reliable sources. Do not revert. 

message: WarthogDemon asked why Bunnydrums are still on this list...
They are on this list because they were a historically important (and fairly well-known) band in American post-punk, one of the first East Coast post-punk bands along with early '80s contemporaries like Mission of Burma and Bush Tetras. They were not some unknown band that released one 7-inch---they put out several albums, released both in the US and Europe, they toured, were written up in all of the prominent publications of the day including CMJ, Village Voice, Sounds, Billboard, Trouser Press, NY Rocker, etc. Their music (which is textbook post-punk in the vein of Killing Joke, Go4, PiL etc.) has continued to be recognized and reissued.
To remove them arbitrarily when they were more relevant to this list than dozens of much smaller and more obscure acts that remain on the list, is absurd. Here are some sources:
http://www.trouserpress.com/entry.php?a=bunnydrums
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:gvftxqrgldse
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/PKD-Simulacra/Bunnydrums/e/782388029223
http://relivethe80s.com/articles/bunnydrums.htm
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Bunnydrums
http://www.answers.com/topic/bunnydrums
Please let's do some research before deleting something of importance.
Greg Fasolino (talk) 18:00, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Youtube isn't an appropriate source. However, I am not sure about some of the others, and Bunnydrums being listed in allmusic does give something to go on. Since this is the first time I've seen some of these sites, so I'll have to check. -WarthogDemon 03:42, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Come on! You talk about American post-punk bands, but what do you think of Suicide and Controlled Bleeding not being on the list? Now they are in. Suicide were amongst the most important "fathers" of post-punk. The duo formed in 1971 but their first album was recorded and released in 1977. Other major bands I've added are Alien Sex Fiend from the UK, Front 242 and The Neon Judgement from Belgium, and Skinny Puppy from Canada.  In the list of Post-punk-influenced bands (1984–mid 1990s), I've added Front Line Assembly, Nine Inch Nails and The Smashing Pumpkins. TSP is really obvious while for NIN, you could just check their covers of other post-punk groups, such as Joy Division. N00w (talk) 05:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bunnydrums 

message: Shouldn't this just be deleted? I mean, I think that after the Post-Punk explosion, most "Alternative Rock"/Grunge/Shoegaze/Noise Pop/Britpop etc etc etc bands have taken some sort of inspiration from the movement... --186.87.18.252 (talk) 17:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Post-punk influenced bands" 

message: The whole list seems to serve the same purpose as the category 
||Category:Post-punk music groups||
I don't know why, but both pages only tend to focus on groups/bands but not individual artists. This said, there are names listed in here such as Laurie Anderson, Monte Cazzaza, John Foxx, Klaus Nomi, etc. but they are not namely "bands".
Considering this, I've hesitated to add other major artists who both have influenced and have been influenced by post-punk during the same period. These of course include David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed and Billy Idol but also, to some extent, Grace Jones, Brian Eno, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Hajime Tachibana ...
So, what should be done now?
I'd personally recommend to change the title of this page into "List of post-punk artists" or "List of post-punk artists and bands". If not, I don't really see the purpose of this page existing at all, due to the "Post-punk music groups" category already filling the need for a full list of post-punk bands. N00w (talk) 05:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-punk individual artists 

message: We need some sources here. A lot of the entries in the list are rubbish, e.g. The Police and The Jam as post-punk bands. Perhaps it's time to insist that only sourced entries are included.--Michig (talk) 08:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how well lists like this can be sourced. They kind of exist by consensus via a steady pruning of egregious outliers. Classifications are not as verifiable as facts. Who's opinion is authoritative?  Can you give an example of another list that has managed it successfully? Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: List of black metal bands, 0–K.--Michig (talk) 08:27, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources needed 

message: More than half of the listed bands should be delete at they were not, and are not post-punk. The term as it was used in the 80's was very specific, and with a very specif sound. Most people dont seem to understand this. It was very (mainly) British oriented. While technically they are post -punk, ie they have a punky, confrontational sound and they appear after the punk explosion, it does not make them post punk.
AND FOR THE RECORD....NO, the B52's and Depeche Mode ARE NOT POST PUNK.Starbwoy (talk) 21:22, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of the most ridiculous lists I've seen  

message: Hello you all! So I just want to note that the link to the Californian group The Salvation Army, is directed towards the Christian organization. I changed the direction to "The Salvation Army (band)" and it was reversed. If you want to keep that link in this (polemic) list, I guess it should be explain why. Thank you in advance for your support!--Castelao (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Salvation Army]] is not a post-punk group. Actually, it is not a rock band 

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replies: text: Sadly you missed ATV on the list. That is Perry's band, it's a definite post punk band which moved into a very avantgarde direction. They made song about the desillusion with punk itself. They had typical post punk guitar work, even on their first album, released before Magazines first album. A good example of how they weren't punk anymore is the song "Nasty Little Lonely".62.44.135.112 (talk) 08:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
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message: A number of months ago, a band-name added by myself to the list was removed, on the basis that the publication I used to verify my changes, RockFeedBack.com, was "not a reliable source". This is not correct. Nowhere on the site has this official rock music magazine been deemed an "unreliable source", and appears copious times as a source for information on Wikipedia. Unless an objection is raised, my additions made in May 2019 will be re-implemented in a short time.
--JoeyofScotia (talk) 10:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  RockFeedBack and sourcing.