Talk:Watershed (South African band)

message: ====This Issue Briefly====
====The Naming Convention for "band names"====
====Important Notes====
====Some reasons the article should be kept/restored to Watershed (South African band)====
# Disambiguate by country when necessary - Wikipedia:Naming Conventions#Album and song titles and band names clearly gives examples of disambiguation by country "(for example X (U.S. band), X (Australian band)." in cases where disambiguating by more than just "(band)" is necessary (as is the case here because there are two Watershed bands)
# Be precise when necessary - Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision) says "Be precise when necessary; don't title articles ambiguously when the title has other meanings". In this case the term 'African' has other meanings, and "band in Africa" is less precise than "South African band". 
# Article titles should be intuitive - To disambiguate them by their country (South Africa) is both intuitive, accurate, fair, and is a foreseeable way to identify the article - I might personally enter Watershed (band) or else Watershed (South African band) in the same way I would try U2 or U2 (band) or U2 (Irish band). The alternatives are counter-intuitive.
# Most other bands / musical groups on Wikipedia are disambiguated by their country. Some examples include: Play (Swedish band), Why? (U.K. band), Hi-5_(Australian_kids'_band), Untouchables_(D.C._band)) Sources: 
# No other bands / musical groups disambiguated by continent - indeed nothing I could search for. Sources: , , , , , 
# To disambiguate them by "African band" would be inaccurate because 1) They are not African (read: black) they are caucasian, 2) Their music is not African its alternative rock. and 3) they're in South Africa
# To disambiguate them by "band in Africa" would be inaccurate because 1) it is more notable that they are a South African band than the fact that they are in Africa -- which is purely incidental and could change and 2) They have released records in Germany and the UK, and toured there too, therefore they are not just "in Africa", and 3) it would be unencyclopedia if we labelled bands by the continents they are, for example U2 (band in U.S.A).
===Please place your comments below===
Re "This Issue Briefly":
Lest anyone think i've led Rfw to think my adminship makes my opinion count more in this, my assumption is that they understand its relevance as simply my ability to shortcut to a request-free solution, should they convince me it's called for. --Jerzy•t 08:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: --Jerzy•t 08:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My penn'orth...  I really can't see the problem. It's a South African band: Watershed (South African band).  It's clear, it means what it says, it will be widely understood, it fits with WP conventions.  None of the other options are satisfactory, and including a semicolon (as at present) is hopeless and unnecessary.  --Richard New Forest (talk) 09:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that Watershed (South African band) is by far the best option for this article. It fits with naming conventions, is easily understood and in my opinion sounds right. Wikipedia:Naming conventions does not explicitly prohibit the use of Watershed (African band), but that option really makes no sense to me. Yes, it is clearly an African band, but how many other articles are disambiguated by continent? From reading Wikipedia:Naming conventions, I would use Watershed (South African band). --BelovedFreak 17:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Move to Watershed (South African band). The other bands named Watershed are disambiguated by country - no reason this one shouldn't be as well. I'll file a Requested Move. —BradV 18:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Comment - Proper title for article 

message: Re "This Issue Briefly":
Lest anyone think i've led Rfw to think my adminship makes my opinion count more in this, my assumption is that they understand its relevance as simply my ability to shortcut to a request-free solution, should they convince me it's called for. --Jerzy•t 08:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: --Jerzy•t 08:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My penn'orth...  I really can't see the problem. It's a South African band: Watershed (South African band).  It's clear, it means what it says, it will be widely understood, it fits with WP conventions.  None of the other options are satisfactory, and including a semicolon (as at present) is hopeless and unnecessary.  --Richard New Forest (talk) 09:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that Watershed (South African band) is by far the best option for this article. It fits with naming conventions, is easily understood and in my opinion sounds right. Wikipedia:Naming conventions does not explicitly prohibit the use of Watershed (African band), but that option really makes no sense to me. Yes, it is clearly an African band, but how many other articles are disambiguated by continent? From reading Wikipedia:Naming conventions, I would use Watershed (South African band). --BelovedFreak 17:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Move to Watershed (South African band). The other bands named Watershed are disambiguated by country - no reason this one shouldn't be as well. I'll file a Requested Move. —BradV 18:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Please place your comments below

message: Any objections to the proposed move should be expressed here. —BradV 18:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: None posted so I've requested the current page at Watershed (South African band) for speedy deletion to make room for the move. Olaf Davis | Talk 18:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: I reverted this addition to the article's introduction: "(Ironically, the American rock duo, Indigo Girls, recorded a song called "Watershed" in 1989.)"
While that is probably true and it is interesting, it doesn't seem to fit well with the rest of the article - we need to find a place for it. Many wiki articles have something at the top saying 'Not to be confused with....' or 'Looking for such-and-such?' which we could put at the top. Revert this action if you prefer, but make sure you factor it better in the article, such as not having brackets, not saying it's "ironic" (which is a bad tone for an encyclopedia in my opinion) and maybe putting it in a new paragraph. Rfwoolf (talk) 23:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Watershed' by Indigo Girls (vs 'Indigo Girl' by Watershed)