Talk:Snake venom

message: According to the poison page, a poison need only cause harm when absorbed, not ingested. . . . . I won't remove it, because it sounds authoritative, but someone needs to check it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.163.5 (talk) 11:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Not technically poisons?

message: This discussion of the chemistry of snake venom is quite outdated.  The book from which this article was copied was published in 1913, I think.  Presently, MUCH is known about the chemistry of the peptides in various types of venom.  For example, some types of venom that affect Potassium ion channels have 'helix-turn-helix' structure.  The severity of the effect on these channels can be determined by the identity of some key amino acid residues.  Perhaps a thorough discussion of this would be helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.124.63.152 (talk • contribs) 13:07, 22 January 2006  (UTC)
: There has been significant leaps in venom research and the taxonomy mentioned in the article that make it pretty much useless, but I'm not sure it should be merged with anything else, it just needs to be rewritten from the ground up covering the types of venom, types of tooth structure/delivery system, and phsyiological/chemical effects. -Dawson 04:48, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree wholeheartedly. Just someone has to volunteer to do the work. ;) -Dawson 20:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: This article looks O'K to me.  I did not find anything that is wrong. But I am not an expert here. Biophys 19:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated 

message: is there any info on acids and snake venoms?? mainly is it an acid? or a poison? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stansz (talk • contribs) 23:29, 6 March 2006  (UTC)
:Venoms are very, very complex, they contain a wide array of acidic and basic components that can vary greatly between species, but the traditional idea of something being acidic is not necessarily the primary means of action, though, many venoms, especially those of viperids, do serve to almost "pre-digest" potential food items by breaking down fatty acids and proteins. There are a several scientific papers out there that discuss it in detail, but I'd need a biologist translator to understand even half of it. :) -Dawson 07:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acid? 

message: This article still copies extensively from this encyclopedia article. It needs to be rewritten or have the offending content removed (which would be a large proportion of the article). Tesseran 02:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio 

message: Under 'Studies' it states that, "Making cuts around the puncture or sucking out the venom has also been helpful".
This practice is outmoded and may be hazardous to the first aider if they have dental caries. Another common practice that has been discontinued is the use of tourniquets. Current practice in Australia is to apply compression
bandages,limit patient mobility and anxiety, and seek urgent medical assistance. Do not clean the wound as it may be swabbed to help identify the type of toxin.
of toxin  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grumpyfather (talk • contribs) 14:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the current mode we employ, as the venom travels through the lymphatic system, a tourniquet could compound the effects once it has been takes of by allowing an excellerated flow though the system. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 07:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Aid 

message: This article mentions cutting around or sucking out the venom, but I believe this is not recommended first-aid, and another article concerning snakes or snakebites mentions a study that sucking out the venom may only reduce it by 1%.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.234.139.205 (talk) 04:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Studies 

message: Heya, I've been reading through this article and I think it could probably do with some quite serious reworking. I've started a draft on my user space, would anyone else be interested in working with me to really get on top of this article? Abergabe (talk) 11:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rework

message: I propose that the article Snake toxins should be merged to this one. They clearly overlap, and I believe that it would be better to have the toxin information in a wider context.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.152.177 (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They do seem pretty much identical.  While two snakes are known to have defensive toxins, rather than venom, those can be dealt with on the species pages. Mokele (talk) 19:59, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion is old and I will be BOLD in merging it. ZooPro 13:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: "If successful, some of the over 100,000 people that die each year from snakebite in the Eastern Hemisphere will be saved. (1,2) [11]"
The cited link 404s and the 100,000 deaths per year number is far too high. 20,000 would be a better number. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081103203029.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.130.224 (talk) 21:54, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaths per year. 

message: Regarding the evolution of snake venom, the article briefly mentions the possible "why" of venom evolution, but nothing of the "when". In other words, at what point in their evolutionary history did snakes develop the ability to use venom? Are there fossil species that are known or believed to have been venomous?--172.190.10.144 (talk) 02:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evolution 

message: 1. Rapid Venom Evolution can also be explained by the arms race between rapid-venom targeted molecules in resistant predators and the snake venom that targets the molecules. This statement could be added to the evolution portion of this page.
Jansa, Sharon A., and Robert S. Voss. "Adaptive Evolution of the Venom-Targeted VWF Protein in Opossums That Eat Pitvipers." Ed. Paulo Lee Ho. PLoS ONE 6.6 (2011): E20997. Web.
2. The article mentions rapid evolution in venom due to the arms race between the snake’s prey, however a good example is not given. One of the main studies on this topic is the California Ground Squirrel (Spermophilus beecheyi) and the northern Pacific Rattlesnake (Crotalus oreganus). The ground squirrels have significantly more resistance to the norther Pacific Rattlesnake venom compared to resistance for any other rattlesnake in the area. 
Biardi, James E., David C. Chien, and Richard G. Coss. "California Ground Squirrel (Spermophilus  Beecheyi) Defenses against Rattlesnake Venom Digestive and Hemostatic Toxins." Journal of Chemical Ecology 31.11 (2005): 2501-518. Web.
3. The article mentions that venom can vary depending on diets, however that stamen can be extrapolated by saying that venom can vary geographically due to natural selection for feeding on local prey. The example of calloselasma rhodostoma in the paper cited below would be a great addition to the evolution section
Daltry, Jennifer C., Wolfgang Wüster, and Roger S. Thorpe. "Diet and Snake Venom Evolution." Nature 379.6565 (1996): 537-40. Web.
Pomento.2 (talk) 16:04, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evolution Section Suggestions 

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message: This section is interesting and well written, but overly detailed about methods and mostly off-topic. It should be moved to some other page, leaving a brief summary here. Staffansvensson (talk) 12:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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