Talk:Diana Wynne Jones

message: Submitted for your approval (or not). - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deep Secret]] 

message: I returned the link to the infobox. Although the site is fan-operated, and not a general RS for BLP purposes, it was sanctioned by the article subject, who contributed material and participated in its activities before her illness. I've seen similar fan-controlled, author-approved sites in other infoboxes. I tried to identify it as "author-designated, fan-operated" in the infobox, but couldn't get the coding right, so I added clarifying text to the EL section. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Official" website 

message: Yes, she really is dead. I'm not going to get into an edit war over this; clearly WP values policy over accuracy, and I can see the reasoning; you have no reason to believe me when I tell you that I have direct knowledge of this information. Print publication will eventually catch up with reality, and WP will eventually catch up with print. Airdrake (talk) 13:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it looks sadly that she has indeed expired. We have already compromised our policies and guidelines using our editorial judgment to add the unreliable comments. Wikipedia is not obligated to publish such unverified claims at all. I am glad you don't want to edit war about it. Off2riorob (talk) 13:12, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Notable? http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/03/remembering-diana-wynne-jones Airdrake (talk) 16:52, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an issue of notability. A blog is generally not a reliable source. The Tor blog is not an exception. See WP:BLPSPS.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

text: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/mar/27/diana-wynne-jones-obituary Airdrake (talk) 19:51, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, that's been added to the article, resolving the problem.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:55, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: Several references were bluelink sourcenames such as "Article in The Guardian" (previous refs). 
After working on awards, mainly, and adding two real references, I converted all of those others to bluelink "(item)" with the sourcename such as "The Guardian" outside the link (current refs) --without visiting even to confirm that links work. (I visited only the one bare URL in order to expand it and get the title "The Official Diana ...". --P64 (talk) 15:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  References (nearly bare URL) 

message: :quoting the article "The Harry Potter books are frequently compared to the works of Diana Wynne Jones. Many of her earlier children's books were out of print in recent years, but have now been re-issued for the young audience whose interest in fantasy and reading was spurred by Harry Potter.[3][4]"
The two given sources may be sufficient although the references need to be completed. The text needs clarification: which Jones books compared by whom on what grounds? which early out of print books were brought back?
Regarding the Chrestomanci series (possibly branded "The Worlds of Chrestomanci" both in US and UK):
* in the UK, an original novella Stealer of Souls (later published separately) and three old short stories were published as Mixed Magics: four tales of Chrestomanci. The four 1977-88 novels were reissued in a matching set. All five cover illustrations by Paul Slater include "The Worlds of Chrestomanci" in white block letters arranged in a circle (example). ISFDB lists May 2000 for all five books.
* in the US, the four novels were reissued 1997 to 1999 in a matching set. All four cover illustrations by Greg Newbold include include stone arch and stylized smoke to frame the primary illustration in classic tombstone shape (example). All show "A Chrestomanci Book" in white block letters along the bottom edge. A few years later we have "The Chrestomanci Quartet" with the main painting full size, no stone/smoke framework (). The first US Mixed Magics (hardcover, April 2001)  matched the 1997-1999 reissue of the four novels.
Harry Potter #1 was published 1997/1998 UK/US. In the US, "The book reached the top of the New York Times list of best-selling fiction in August 1999, and stayed near the top of that list for much of 1999 and 2000." That's too late to explain the new Chrestomanci set. In the UK, however, Rowling & Harry's success may explain not only the new set but even the writing of "Stealer of Souls" by Jones. (and, of course, her full-time return to the series, evident in Conrad's Fate and The Pinhoe Egg).
(In part these are notes toward improvement of Mixed Magics, an orphan stub that I discovered yesterday after reading the book a few days ago. Comments or references that go beyond the limited needs of the biography will be appreciated.) --P64 (talk) 16:44, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harry Potter, Mixed Magics and reissue novels 

message: Today I deleted this regarding the once-in-a-lifetime Guardian Prize, which Jones won in 1978. The August editorial comments are mine.
: "She was runner-up for that award in 1981 "
On the other hand, I documented her three (not two) commended runners up for the more prestigious Carnegie Medal. --P64 (talk) 01:05, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guardian Prize runner up 

message: Jones contributed to The Encyclopedia of Fantasy (1997). I infer that she was a volunteer editor (maybe paid for the major entry "Magic" or even paid by the word for minor entries). See The Tough Guide to Fantasyland#Origin. She describes going through all of the prospective entries with Chris Bell in order to help make cuts, identify gaps, and so on. They worked carefully through N to "Nunnery" before she had the Tough Guide inspiration; somewhere in O she began work on that book and slacked off as volunteer(i infer) editor.
Regarding this nonfiction/editorial work and expertise I have only added (nonfiction) "subject=Fantasy fiction" to the . I can't do more without checking both Tough Guide and Encyclopedia front and back material at a public library. --P64 (talk) 01:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Encyclopedia of Fantasy 

message: * The Guardian coverage of DWJ index late 1999 to date
* The Guardian staff blogs on DWJ index 2009 to date
--P64 (talk) 02:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''The Guardian'' coverage 

message: My edit summary ends "tag Career {UPDATE NEEDED}" but I neglected to insert the tag . The Career section does need update, for it ends with notice of two books expected "later in 2011".
It needs more [than update -P64]. Offhand I think we need some separation of Adaptations and Awards from the Career or whatever we call it --as in many writer biographies with those two headings, although there may be another way to do it.
--P64 (talk) 22:00, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Diana Wynne Jones bibliography shows that we have previously updated there but not here. --P64 (talk) 19:57, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update needed 

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