Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga

message: The article on Lynn Minmay, a character in the original Macross Saga (a.k.a. arc #1 of Robotech in the West)--h/t notes in "Daicon III and IV Opening Animations"; h/t, in turn, my overhearing "Hold On Tight" by ELO through a relative's Alexa in another room minutes ago--has recently been proposed for deletion per WP:NPLOT and WP:NCHARACTER. On the surface, there may be a few salvageable bits and pieces that we might see in other related pages. With these factors in mind, I have half a mind to deprod it and take it to AFD, suggesting a redirect or merge into List of Macross characters in the process.
To  (h/t WP:Featured article candidates/Castle in the Sky/archive1): Do you know who could help me out (franchise fans or otherwise)? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 15:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Slgrandson, I was fortunate to get help from members of the Ghibli community in finding some obscure sources during that FAC. I'm not familiar with the series you're talking about, nor its community, so I don't have anything to suggest other than things you would already know: doing a WP:BEFORE, reaching out to editors experienced in the topic area (as you're doing already by posting here!), etc. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Macross]]'' character page up for grabs in two days 

message: Could someone please review this BLP  to ascertain if it meets WP:N? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: + Tamara Ryan. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this related to BeauSuzanne (since they created both of those articles)? Not that it matters, but they also at one point created an article for Misato Murai which was draftified (see AfD). Anyways, regarding the above articles, back when the Pitts article was created I had a discussion with another user off-wiki and we thought that there was enough to show WP:NACTOR was met. As far as Ryan, I don't think they are notable as an anime voice actor (they have one prominent role, Android 18, but nothing else seems too major). I admit that I'm unaware with the video game roles and sources may present themselves there. Link20XX (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Link20XX, Yeah, thse two were created by @BeauSuzanne. I'm bringing this up because I've checked out all their articles and majority of their BLPs are on NON-NOTABLE ACTORS, which strongly suggests there might be some UPE activity going on. I've nominated a few for deletion and the rest will probably get flagged sooner or later. So, as you mentioned, they created Misato Murai and it got deleted through AfD, but now they're giving it another shot, so let's keep an eye on it. Since I'm not an expert on the sources cited in these two BLPs as they're unrelated to PAKISTAN, that's why I asked here to get the opinion of the editors of this WikiProject. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That draft is actually the same page that was at AfD, they just made sure to edit it every six months so that it doesn't get deleted. Other than the articles mentioned above, the only other anime-related article I'm aware of that this user created is Danielle McRae, which was deleted (see AfD); in that case, it was the second attempt at creating it, with the previous attempt having undisclosed paid editing issues. Link20XX (talk) 13:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Link20XX, If you reckon this BLP on Tamara Ryan doesn't meet WP:N, it should be AfD'd. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 13:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't nominate it for deletion, but if it were to end up at AfD, I would probably vote to delete it. Link20XX (talk) 15:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Link20XX, Neither me  because I'm not familiar with the sources mentioned in this BLP. I'll leave it to someone who's more knowledgeable about them. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Orion Pitts]] 

message: Hello. There's a discussion about adding a potential production section as well as a reception section for the Dennō Senshi Porygon episode, which can be found at Talk:Dennō Senshi Porygon#Production and reception. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dennō Senshi Porygon 

message: Regarding Angel's Egg, there is a discussion about the reliability of some sources. Editors are invited to comment here. Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 17:21, 19 May 2024 
:See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Archive_76#Dani_Cavallaro 
:The Angel's Egg article heavily cited Dani Carallaro, whom after reviewing her books felt that they were quickly written and highly superficial and thus not a reliable source. Pursuing online sources, I found many articles and posts of people asking the same questions I had: who is this person?" without any definitive answers. you'd think a well known writer would have something confirmed online right? As such, I removed her book and cited Brian Ruh's book which I can at least confirm is a real person. See Newspapers dot com archive of articles on him. Harizotoh9 (talk) 17:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angel's Egg 

message: Per MOS:FOREIGN#Terms with common usage in English: "A rule of thumb is to not italicize words that appear in major general-purpose English-language dictionaries." I just noticed that OED has included the terms shonen and shojo; Collins also included the terms seinen. I cannot find evidence that the term 'josei' appears in a general-purpose English dictionary, but shouldn't the other terms be de-italicized? Xexerss (talk) 20:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I was literally about to open a discussion for this exact same thing like last month. lol Merriam-Webster also has entries for shonen and shojo. I personally think they should be de-italicized. But the reason I didn't end up starting the discussion was I saw MOS:FOREIGNITALIC says to italicize "foreign words that do not yet have everyday use in non-specialized English" and I don't really know what "non-specialized" means here. Because, if the definitions given for the words are that they are demographics of manga and anime, then the words are only ever going to be used in conversation about manga and anime. Does that mean they are "specialized"? Xfansd (talk) 21:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good point. Regarding this "specialized" logic, I suppose that someone could argue that terms like 'Gestapo' would only be used if someone is going to talk about Nazis, WWII or something like that, so it's not quite clear to me what exactly this is referring to. What motivated me to initiate this discussion was primarily that the term 'Isekai' was de-italicized some time ago in various articles and I didn't see opposition to this. Xexerss (talk) 22:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "Gestapo" is not an unusual metaphor/reference point for secret police in general, in regular conversation. You don't see people call Avatar a shounen series, though. Unlike older Japanese imports like karaoke or bonsai, I think the demographic genre names are only ever used in the context of Japanese cultural output... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I think it is clearer what "specialized" refers to in this case, but now (getting a bit off the specific topic under discussion) what about 'isekai'? was it appropriate to have left it de-italicized? I've read the expression "being isekai'd" as a joke when someone dies, but I doubt this is significant enough to classify it as a word in common usage, or is it? Xexerss (talk) 09:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd find it very hard to believe that isekai is more prevalent and known in English than shonen. I don't known how much more input I can give, because I still don't get the "specialized" bit. I don't think I've ever heard the words/phrases praetor or esprit de corps in my life, yet they're both given at MOS:FOREIGNITALIC as examples of words in common use in English. Because of that, I think all these words we are talking about that have English dictionary entries and are commonly used in multiple English sources should be de-italicized. Xfansd (talk) 23:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I'm inclined to think that these demographic terms should stay italicized and they haven't really become commonly used in English yet. Part of it is that I'm not sure any one romanization of these terms is dominant - the respective Wikipedia articles use a macron over the first o in each word, and list the -o- and -ou- spellings as alternatives. I'll also note that Merriam Webster's entries for shonen and shojo both show these words written with italics in their example sentences. Erinius (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, and maybe this isn't the best criterion, it would look kind of awkward for shojo and shonen to be treated like regular English words while josei stays italicized, when they're all Japanese terms for manga demographics. Erinius (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:ROMAJI the modified Hepburn romanizations should be used if one can not be determined to be the most common. I don't see how noting the other possible romanizations in the lead is any different than how humour and many other words note the spelling differences between British and American English, but it seems if someone wanted to remove the singular mention of them it would be in line with WP:ROMAJI. Merriam-Webster italicizes whatever word you are looking up in their example sentences, see boy for example. Xfansd (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: . My bad, didn't know that. Erinius (talk) 12:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italics for manga demographics 

message: It seems some people want to change it from "Pretty Cure" to "PreCure", as shown by recent page name changes of Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure to "Soaring Sky! PreCure" and "Pretty Cure All Stars F to "PreCure All Stars F", with claims it is "misspelled". I have since moved the page names back. Should I start discussions on the talk pages of the affected articles (Talk:Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure and Talk:Pretty Cure All Stars F OR should I start a thread on Talk:Pretty Cure about this? It seems that TWO users are trying to determine the page name changes across ALL Pretty Cure pages on their own, as shown at Talk:Wonderful Pretty Cure!#Requested move 21 May 2024 (there is now a page-name request there). In my opinion, there should be more eyes on this before it gets out of hand. Suggestions on how I should proceed would be appreciated.--Historyday01 (talk) 17:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't have advice, but there's probably a decent argument to be made that Precure is the common name for the franchise/series. Though, that's not what's being argued at that RM (it's hard to follow). Precure appears more in advertising, used more in the fandom, arguably used more in sources. Of course, I haven't done the legwork to actually verify whether that's true; this is just what I know about being around the anime fandom. Personally, I think it's fine to leave the pages at Pretty Cure until someone makes an argument that touches on some of those points.  ― Synpath 22:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, the source we have for the name (the Toei Animation website) says the name is PreCure. But it's a little inconsistent: most but not all of the text says the name of both the overall franchise and the individual series is PreCure, but most of the graphics and a few of the text titles use Pretty Cure. Oh, and the URL. (I note that the exceptions where the graphics and the text both agree a series is named PreCure are all very recent series, so this was likely a recent change.) Loki (talk) 02:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it "Pretty Cure" or "PreCure"? 

message: There was a very short lived UK based anime/manga magazine that only lasted 2 issues in the mid 90's. It was a proper print magazine sent to stores with a publisher, so not a self-published fanzine. The creators have made the two issues freely available online so feel free to use it. Anime covered include: Patlabor 2, Project A-Ko, Irresponsible Captain Taylor, Madox-01, Ghost in the Shell (1995 film), Ranma, Hayao Miyazaki films, and a Koichi Ohata interview. It actually resolves an issue I had previously where I was searching for English language print sources for Project A-Ko. 
http://www.sunteam.co.uk/J-Fan.html Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  J-Fan 

message: I have searched far and wide for this info of the Chainsaw Man author, but the only place I could find it is through personal description and luckily Chat GPT was able to find it. In order to make it easier for people similar to me I think we should add this to Tatsuki's lineup! This is the addition I have been speaking about:  "'Blood of the Field" (畑の血), a one-shot written by Tatsuki Fujimoto. It was published in the "Manga Erotics F" magazine in 2014. The story revolves around a girl who overcomes her fear of blood to pursue a career in medicine, only to become entangled with a mysterious figure who can shapeshift and feeds on blood. As she becomes increasingly obsessed with him, she sacrifices her own well-being to satisfy his thirst for blood, ultimately meeting a tragic end." Please help me add this to the official page and hopefully find more info on it and possibly the scans.
June 4, 2024 Ghost2!777 (talk) 07:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New addition to list of Tatsuki Fujimotos works 

message: There is currently a discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard about the reliability of Dani Cavallaro's work. Members of this WikiProject may be interested in joining as her publications are cited in multiple articles related to anime and manga. The relevant thread is at . Thanks! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice of reliable sources noticeboard discussion 

message: So few days ago I created Kiruko who despite looking a girl, is actually a male character who had his brain transplanted to his sister. As a result, I'm kinda confused with what gender pronoun use with Kiruko. In the first two episodes it is a mystery as Kiruko claims she is a woman but when Maru confesses to her, she claims she is a man in a woman's body. Still, in later episodes, Kiruko claims that she is actually Haruki, a guy as noted by his/her personality or chemistry when interacting with Maru so I'm lost with what to write in the article. Any idea?Tintor2 (talk) 18:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronoms for [[Kiruko]]