Talk:Jonathan Berry

message: I have just returned the POV tag that I first applied on 24 May. My apologies for not having then discussed the reasoning behind the original application. My issue with this article is that is it appears to violate the policy concerning neutral point of view.  Statements such as: "He is the most multi-talented chess personality that Canada has ever had" - found in the opening paragraph, no less - run counter to the policy as covered under 'Characterizing opinions of people's work' and, possibly, 'Attributing and substantiating biased statements'.
Similarly biased statements include:
*"Berry is Canada's most experienced arbiter, is generally respected as that country's best, and is also highly respected around the chess world."
*"The World Chess Festival, Saint John 1988, was the grandest chess event ever held in North America."
*"The column [Berry's] is skillfully written in a general-interest style, yet also appeals to serious players."
Rather than allowing facts to speak for themselves, the second first section, describing the subject's tournament appearances, describes "a  good result of tied fourth", a finish "in the middle of a good field", and "a very solid 9/15". Speculation also comes into play in this section: " Work pressures likely contributed to a below-standard result of 5.5/15 at the 1978 Canadian Closed / Zonal in Toronto."
I believe that many of these problems, though not all, may stem from the fact that this piece is completely unreferenced. Recognizing this, I will be adding an 'unferenced' tag. Victoriagirl 15:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate the considered response and your efforts to clean up the article. And I do hope that my comments haven't been misunderstood. In the interests of openess, I'll begin by stating that I know precious little about the world of chess. Speaking personally, I assumed that Jonathan Berry's stature, as portrayed in the article, was essentially correct. But this is Wikipedia, and personal opinion doesn't count. My issue, again, concerns statements, such as "He is the most multi-talented chess personality that Canada has ever had", which run counter to neutral point of view. The policy page provides a solution to this problem under 'Attributing and substantiating biased statements'. I recommend replacing those claims that violate the NPOV policy with similar, sourced statements. The matter of the subject's tournament appearances, is more easily rectified: "a  good result of tied fourth", becomes "a result of tied fourth", and so on. One further suggestion, if I may, references should be included within the article, not described in the edit summary. Wikipedia's citing sources guideline page provides info on how this is to be done. Hope this helps. Victoriagirl 16:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV/References

message: Jonathan Berry's chess column in the Globe and Mail stopped appearing sometime in 2012. I followed it regularly, but don't know why it stopped. Mathyeti (talk) 21:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  J Berry's Globe and Mail column 

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