Talk:List of people with bipolar disorder/Archive 1

message: This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of people believed to have been affected by bipolar disorder.  The consensus was to keep it.  dbenbenn | talk 01:35, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

message: I added this to be voted on for deletion Nick Catalano 01:51, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote for Deletion 

message: On the main bipolar disorder page is a link to | a list of famous persons with mental disorders from the national alliance for the mentally ill. It contains about 20 names which I will transfer to this list in the next few minutes. LukeSurl 18:45, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A creditable source. 

message: I think the consensus is that no unsourced additions should be made. I have therefore removed the addition of "Charles IV", until evidence for his presumed bipolar disorder is given. Refdoc 08:18, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced or poorly evidenced additions 

message: An anon just added 
:"Howard Hughes" TWF
But I couldn't find him mentioned in Touched with Fire, not in the index anyway. If someone has a page reference, please provide it. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:59, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Howard Hughes? 

message: An anon just added Tom Waits with no citations. Does anyone have one? Dpbsmith (talk) 20:51, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tom Waits?

message: Let me repeat: if you know the name of someone who is not on the list whom you are anxious to add, and you're pretty sure there's a good source for that person's being bipolar, but you do not have a source to cite, then, please, by all means mention the name here. But do not the name to the article itself until someone can actually find that source and put it into the article along with the name. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:16, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: If you have a "missing" name

message: :Jaco Pastorius - Electric bass legend.  Bipolar affliction is well-documented in biographies, interviews, and liner notes.
As soon as someone can cite a specific biography, with ISBN number and page number if a book, or volume/number/page if a magazine, or a URL for a web interview, or the specific name of the recording and author of the liner notes, it can go into the article. Citing a source means citing a source, not just saying that a source exists. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:18, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced entry: [[Jaco Pastorius]] 

message: :Adam Ant Has spoken openly on television about his condition.
Credible, but not sourced. Our article on Adam Ant says he suffers from bipolar disorder but gives no references. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:26, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced entry: [[Adam Ant]] 

message: I've removed both of these unsourced entries. -- Karada 15:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced entries: [[Trent Reznor]], [[Ozzy Osbourne]] 

message: Removed pending provision of sources:
*Kurt Cobain - Nirvana frontman. Many of his lyrics can be interpreted as symptoms of bipolar disorder. Cobain took his own life in 1994.
1) Suicide does not necessarily imply bipolar disorder. 2) The remark that many of his lyrics can be interpreted as symptoms of bipolar disorder is not sourced. Who says they can be interpreted this way? A mental health professional? A biographer? A newspaper reporter? Dpbsmith (talk) 16:02, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurt Cobain 

message: I've removed
:Kit Gingrich, mother of Newt Gingrich 
pending a better source. The problem here is that the cited source, http://www.bipolarsurvivor.com/famous_print.html is a website which simply lists her and does not give any specific source. It gives as general sources  http://www.themoodyones.com, http://www.pendulum.org/information/information_famous.html, and http://www.mixednuts.net/depression-famous.html. The first site gives me a timeout error. The second does not even appear to mention Gingrich, and neither does the third. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:34, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kit Gingrich 

message: Jimi Hendrix is listed w/o a source. While he did write a song about it, this is not evidence enough
: Removed. --Misterwindupbird 03:14, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimi Hendrix 

message: Removed an unsourced entry. As always, whomever added it may well remember seeing or hearing it in some credible place, but that's not good enough. Before adding a name, find a source for the assertion that the person is bipolar, and cite it. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:46, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rosemary Clooney 

message: (I was the one who added him in the first place)
Many of the names on the list are not guarantees, not everyone on that list is there because they said they had manic depression. But I feel someone who writes a song named "Manic Depression" where he says "Manic depression is catchin’ my soul", who was known by people close to him to suffer from some sort of mental illness is enough evidence to add him to a list called "people believed to have been..".
The name is not "List of people that have been affected by bipolar disorder". The name of the list specifies "believe". I feel that a quote saying "Manic depression is touching my soul" "Manic depression is a frustrating mess" would mean that the person was very likely to have manic depression.
This is why I will add Jimi Hendrix back to the list.
"Jimi Hendrix" "Bipolar Disorder" brings 577 results at the moment. I imagine that he is believed to have been affected by bipolar disorder, and since he says in his song that he has it, he probably believed this himself.
:As presently written, reasons for and against are presented, and the reader is left in a position to make an informed judgement and to pursue further details. 
:Two things that could be improved. First, I think that it is OK to add people who have said they have manic depression if a source is provided. The problem here is that a song lyric is not a source. Song lyrics are not necessarily literal statement of what the songwriter and/or performer believe. Johnny Cash sang "Life ain't easy for a boy named Sue," but he wasn't named Sue (nor was Shel Silverstein, the songwriter). There's not even any way tell whether Cash (or Silverstein) had the sort of relation with his father implied by the song. Did Hendrix ever refer to manic depression in an interview, or something other than a song lyric?
:Second, I still don't like the references, because they are basically dead ends. Bipolar Disorder Today simply says "Most of this list was obtained from the Internet." They don't even give the links. We can't find out why they think Hendrix was bipolar. Bipolar World just gives a couple of paragraphs about his musical career, and then states that he died after taking "vesperax" and choking on his vomitus. One might suspect a suicide attempt, but why would anyone conclude from that, that he was bipolar? 
:Wasn't there anything better among those 577 hits? Dpbsmith (talk) 12:16, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimi Hendrix 

message: Removed:
:Jorn Barger,(blogger)-to Paul Boudin in 'Wired' Magazine, 2005
because:
*the Wired article says nothing about bipolar disorder, manic-depression, or even, explicitly, mental illness.
*According to our article on Jorn Barger, 
::Barger has since said that the Boutin article was mostly "fiction."
Dpbsmith (talk) 19:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This was merely one of a series of vandalism edits by an anon IP, nothing more. -- Curps 12:57, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jorn Barger]] 

message: Recently added to the list, again. Removed again because, again, no source was given. If "he's been very open about it," as someone noted above, then it shouldn't be hard to find a good, verifiable source citation, such as an interview in a verifiable mainstream news publication, in which he talks about it; then reinsert his name together with that citation. 
By all means use this Talk page as a memo pad on which to suggest missing names, but don't put them into the encyclopedia article until they are properly sourced. Dpbsmith (talk) 11:02, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jim Carrey]] 

message: I removed this because no source was given. Please find a good source citation, then it can be reinserted together with the source. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:33, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Gordon Sumner]] (Sting) 

message: Recently added:
:Charles Mingus The jazz composer had a tendency in his career to go through intense periods of composition only to be followed by a periods of dormancy.  Furthermore, his well documented irascibility, belligerence and aggression seem to be characteristic of the mania phase.
Unfortunately, speculation, even very plausible speculation, resting only on the authority of the person inserting the item, is not encyclopedic. This is a list of people accompanied by verifiable source citations associating them with bipolar disorder. This entry can be reinserted in the article as soon as someone finds a verifiable source citation—a book, newspaper article, or even a reasonably authoritative website—that says in so many words that Mingus was bipolar. The source must be given along with the name.
In this case, note that the reference must say specifically that MIngus was bipolar—not merely that he was irascible or belligerent, or even that he was mentally ill. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles Mingus 

message: Entry consisted solely of the name:
:Peter Sellers
Do not reinsert until it can be accompanied by a verifiable source citation.
This was reinserted in the following form:
:Peter Sellers He was said by those who knew him to be completely unpredictable, often jumping alarmingly from pleasant to aggressive.
I have removed it, even though it is very plausible that Sellers was bipolar, because a) no verifiable source citation is given, and b) being mercurial does not necessarily mean being bipolar. This citation needs to quote a verifiable source, such as a biography or newspaper article, with enough information (e.g. date and page number) so that curious readers can locate that source for themselves. That source needs to say specifically that he suffered from bipolar disorder, not merely that he had unpredictable mood swings. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:08, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Peter Sellers]]

message: The entry was:
:Phil Spector in 2003 interview published in The Daily Telegraph
This can be reinserted as soon as a source citation is provided that is good enough to be verified by anyone curious enough to do so. Specifically, 
*a date and a page reference for the interview, OR
*a good citation of a secondary source that says "in a 2003 interview in The Daily Telegraph... 
Readers can't be expected to search the entire Daily Telegraph for the year 2003.  Dpbsmith (talk) 13:02, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Phil Spector]]

message: No source given. 
Our Ozzy Osbourne article mentions bipolar disorder; if someone wants to reinsert this the first thing to do is to check out the sources given in the Ozzy Osbourne article and see whether any of them mention bipolar disorder. 
If one of them does, it can be used as a source citation here in this article.
If none of them do, then the statement in the Ozzy Osbourne article, "He divorced his first wife, Thelma, and developed bipolar disorder" should be edited to remove the phrase about bipolar disorder. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:00, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ozzy Osbourne]] 

message: With regard to people whose Wikipedia article says they are bipolar, per the edit note on Bing Crosby: do not simply list the name here. Check the Wikipedia article. If it gives as source for the person's being bipolar, put that source here as well. If the article gives no source, remove the claim from the article. 
In this case, all the Bing Crosby article said was "Many people believe that Crosby's extraordinary abilities were due to his having bipolar disorder." Such a claim should not be put in an article without indicating what people, specifically, believe this, and indicating where they said so. 
This claim seems particularly questionable, by the way. It was made and removed from the article once before, and the editor who removed it notes a discussion on this message board. One commentator says:
:I work with bi-polar people for a living and have for a number of years. Having been exposed to these people 40 hours a week, I can state with some authority that Bing never had bi polar disorder. His personality is entirely inconsistent with this malady. Bing never had spectacular highs, for instance. In his drinking and partying days, circa 1926-1932, he was unusually upbeat (for lack of a better word!), but this was fueled by booze, not a genetic disorder. 
:Now Gary Crosby is another matter. Not only was he an alcoholic like his mother, he did exhibit traits consistent with a bi-polar personality. Lindsay did as well, though less is known about his personality.
:Bing was phlegmatic, calm and laid back for much of his adult life. Believe me, those with bi polar disorders do NOT behave in this manner. 
(And, no, a posting in a discussion form is not a good enough source to justify inserting Gary Crosby). Dpbsmith (talk) 13:56, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bing Crosby]]

message: :Billy Carnes (Bassist of the band Salvaged Souls) is believed to have have bipolar disorder for when he was 14 years old he was very verbal about his constant mood swings. "I go from really really happy to extremely low and depressed" Billy stated in an Interview early October 2005.
This will be fine and can go in as soon as a citation for that interview is added. (What newspaper or magazine? If newspaper, name of paper and year/month/day/page number. If magazine, name of magazine and volume/number/page number. If website, give URL). Dpbsmith (talk) 02:30, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billy Carnes 

message: Recently added without accompanying source citations: 
*George Handel
*Abraham Lincoln
*Theodore Roosevelt
*Leo Tolstoy
Remember, please, names must be accompanied by source citations at the time when they are added. 
If someone is well known to have been bipolar, such a citation should not be hard to find, but it is up to the person who adds the name to do this work before adding it.
You do not need to prove that the person was bipolar, but you do need to prove that someone respected, such as a biographer, has made that suggestion explicitly (using the word bipolar, or manic-depressive, or cyclothymic).
:Abraham Lincoln
::No good
:Abraham Lincoln was subject to extreme mood swings
::No good
:Abraham Lincoln: Biographer XYZ says in book Q, page so-and-so: "Lincoln's mood swings were extreme."
::No good
:Abraham Lincoln: Biographer XYZ says in book Q, page so-and-so: "Lincoln's mood swings were extreme and psychologist JKL has speculated that he suffered from what today would be called bipolar disorder."
::Good enough, because a source has been cited, and the word "bipolar" is used.  
Dpbsmith (talk) 13:45, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Handel, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Tolstoy 

message: *Abbie Hoffman, political activist
Removed; no source provided. Our article calls him bipolar, but none of the sources cited says so, so I'm going to remove this from the Abbie Hoffman article as well.
As always, this doesn't mean that I doubt the likelihood of his being bipolar, but as it says on every edit page "Content must not violate any copyright and must be verifiable."
*Reinserted. I found a source. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbie Hoffman 

message: I'm removing
*Miloš Kopecký - Czechoslovak actor known to suffer with heavy case of bipolar disorder.
*Amber Kramer - her depression was started from a horse-falling accident.
When someone can find a source for them, they can be reinserted. See Wikipedia's verifiability policy. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Miloš Kopecký]], [[Amber Kramer]] 

message: Snipped:
*Blackie Lawless, the frontman of the band W.A.S.P., has a curiously bipolar pattern of writing songs. The music he writes is either extremely gloomy, serious and bleak (eg. The Crimson Idol, Unholy Terror, Still Not Black Enough) or rather upbeat and irreverent (eg. W.A.S.P. (album), The Last Command, Helldorado). Most curious is the album The Headless Children, which halfways through its total tracklisting (between the songs Thunderhead and Mean Man) sudden shifts from sinister in both lyrical themes and general spirit to more upbeat, triumphant and less serious.
This article is a "list of people accompanied by verifiable source citations associating them with bipolar disorder."
At the moment, the entry has no source citation, and has the appearance of being 83.92.180.211's personal opinion. Also, it does not say that Lawless suffers from bipolar disorder, but only that he has a "curiously bipolar pattern of writing songs." This is an interesting observation and it might turn out to be insightful—Lawless might in fact be bipolar—but without a) a source citation, b) associating them with bipolar disorder—not just a pattern of extreme moods in songs—it's not appropriate for the list. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackie Lawless 

message: Removed, pending someone's providing verifiable source citations. Please do not reinsert unless you can provide such a citation. Note that the Daniel Johnston article says he is bipolar, but lacks a citation. The Wikipedia articles on the others do not mention bipolar disorder. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced entries 

message: Removing:
:John Adams Adams frequently fell to black despair, fits of depression that were triggered usually by the onset of some illness, public criticism, or lack of recognition of his achievements.  See "The Complete Book of U.S. Presidents"
If "the Complete Book of U.S. Presidents" does not use the words "bipolar" or "manic-depressive" then it is not an adequate source. We cannot take a description such as "fell into black despair" and diagnose this ourselves as "bipolar disorder." Anyone who wishes to reinsert John Adams must find a source that actually puts the label "bipolar disorder" on these fits of depression. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Adams 

message: :Meriwether Lewis  From Night Falls Fast by Kay Jamison: "And the same bold, restless temperament that Jefferson saw in the young Meriwether Lewis can lie uneasily just this side of a restive, deadly despair."  See Murder or Suicide.
This quotation does not say Lewis was bipolar. The book is about suicide, not bipolar disorder, and "restive, deadly despair" is not necessarily bipolarity. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Meriwether Lewis

message: Removed this as unverifiable. Possible joke/hoax prank?
:Dr. Ulrich Stahn is king of bipolar world-wide scenerie; the probably last living universal genious, ask a question, he solves everything, and living hero, master of science and spiritual, real angel, father and rief, the richest man in the world, saved many souls and livings. also see his homepage about hypomanie
::(URL removed because it was triggering the spam filter... it was aitch why pee oh em a en eye eee dot aitch why dot funpic dot de)
Note that there is apparently no article on him in Wikipedia. Note too that the cited page is not his personal homepage—which would not qualify as an adequate reference anyway—and has no information on bipolar disorder, but contains the single line "Frohe Weihnachten und ein gesundes Neues Jahr!" (Merry Christmas and a happy New Year), followed by an auto-redirect to an ad. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ulrich Stahn 

message: Removed, pending provision of a source citation:
*Saul the King His symptoms as described in the Books of Samuel (alternating bouts of deep melancholy followed by bursts of manic rage, paranoia and agression) are consistent with bipolar illness and may offer one of history's first recorded descriptions of the disorder.
As this stands, without sources, it gives the appearance of being the opinion of 68.62.148.44, and perhaps no original research. I am not very happy about doctors' attempts to diagnose illness without an opportunity to examine the patient, but certainly this item can be included—but only if it can be shown to be from a good, verifiable published source, such as a printed book. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:34, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saul the King 

message: *Randi Wright, porn actress.
No source is cited. The linked article asserts she "is bi-polar" but also cites no source for this. Reinsert only if including a source citation to a published, reliable source. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Randi Wright

message: This entire article should be deleted. Is there an article such as List of people believed to be homosexual or List of people believed to be associated with Terrorist Groups. Kyros 08:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: It's necessary to give the source, not to say vaguely that a source is believed to exist. These can be reinserted when a specific source is found and added. Saying Sting said something "in an interview," for example, won't do; there's no way for a reader to find that interview. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent unsourced entries

message: I added Margaret Trudeau to the list.  See http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/05/05/trudeau-depression060505.html
:Good. Thanks for providing the reference. The reference belongs in the article itself, next to Trudeau's name. I've put it there for you.
:You can make a link to an external web page by typing it in single brackets. Thus, if you type this:
:*Margaret Trudeau
you get this:
:*Margaret Trudeau
:Dpbsmith (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Margaret Trudeau 

message: Removing until someone can find a better citation:
* Vivien Leigh — She was severely bipolar, and for a major part of her life attributed it to her birth sign, Scorpio: (quoted:) 'My birth sign is Scorpio and they eat themselves up and burn themselves out. I swing between happiness and misery. I am part prude and part nonconformist. I say what I think and I don't pretend and I am prepared to accept the consequences of my actions';  "I cannot let well enough alone. I get restless. I have to be doing different things. I am a very impatient person and headstrong."  Biography.com profile, mentions her bipolar disorder
Unfortunately the biography.com profile is a dead link. Self-descriptions such as "I swing between happiness and misery" may suggest bipolar disorder, but could also refer to ordinary mood swings. We need a source that uses that word (or "manic-depressive.") Dpbsmith (talk) 16:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  VIvien Leigh 

message: Removing pending better citation:
* Gustav Mahler See The Man Who Saw It Coming
The source is a website, "McMan's Depression and Bipolar Web." It credits no author and cites no sources. It appears to be a personal essay by someone who bases the assertion that Mahler was bipolar on his perception of the emotions expressed in Mahler's music. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gustav Mahler

message: * Jayson Blair
Removed because of lack of source citation. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jayson Blair

message: Removing
* Jeff Buckley according to The biography Dream Brother written about him and his father Tim Buckley, the night before his drowning, he admitted to several loved ones that he suffered from bipolar disorder.
because a Google Books search did not find the word "bipolar" in the book: 
If reinserting, please cite the page number and quote the exact words used by the book. Dpbsmith (talk) 09:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeff Buckley 

message: * Cledus T. Judd, who references his diagnosis on his parody album, Bipolar and Proud.
I'd like to see a better reference than a redlink to the name of an album. Actually, I'd like to see one that meets the guidelines for reliable sources, which doesn't say anything about music albums. 
At the very least, I'd like to have it be perfectly clear on how he "references his diagnosis." 
If it says this in the album notes, I'd like to see the recording company that produced the album, and its catalog number, the author of the liner notes, and an actual quotation instead of just the indirect statement that he "references his diagnosis." 
References in the song lyrics would certainly not be acceptable, since there is never any way to be sure whether they're intended to be literal, nonfictional references to the singer's life or not. Johnny Cash was never incarcerated in Folsom Prison... Dpbsmith (talk) 09:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cletus T. Judd 

message: Removing
* David Musgrove He tried to explain in to his mother, but she didn't care to listen.
until someone cares to supply a source. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Musgrove 

message: Recently added:
* Courtney Love - frontwoman of rock band 'Hole'. Actress. Model. Widow of Kurt Cobain. Confessed to being bipolar in her biography written by Poppy Z. Brite, also in interviews and implied in songs. She herself linked it to her 'on-going troubled years' of childhood where she shifted from boarding schools across the globe, this 'plauging behaviour' of hers haunted her even in her fame.
The book in question is presumably . However, since the person adding the item did not give a page reference, and since an Amazon "search inside this book" search for "bipolar" and for "manic-depressive" did not yield any results, I'm moving this here until someone can give a page number and a quotation. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Courtney Love: Page reference to Brite book, please 

message: OK, I'm pulling this entry. It's not misleading as written, but it's been there too long without anyone adding any real sources.
* Jimi Hendrix appears on many lists of famous people with bipolar disorder: Mental Health Today added him to their list, Bipolar World added him as well. This is probably due mostly to his song named "Manic Depression" which starts with "Manic depression is touching my soul" and ends with "Manic depression is a frustrating mess". His behavior later in life also suggested episodes of confusion and depression. It is possible that his behavior was only due to the drug abuse that brought his death, but if he didn't have Bipolar Disorder, the chances are that he at least believed he had it.
Unfortunately, the lists at Mental Health Today and Bipolar World are casual and don't cite sources. Mental Health Today simply lists his name with no explanation. Bipolar World gives a capsule biography which conspicuously fails to say in so many words that he was bipolar or manic-depressive.
Song titles and lyrics do not count. Johnny Cash was never in Folsom Prison, Eric Clapton never shot a sheriff, and the lyrics to "I Get a Kick Out of You" are not good evidence that Cole Porter a) used cocaine, or b) failed to get a kick from it. 
What's needed is a source citation from something meeting the reliable source guidelines that says, in so many words, "Hendrix was bipolar" or "Hendrix was manic-depressive." Moody, wild, suicidal do not equal bipolar, and song lyrics are not factual biography. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And ditto Sting: just because you have written a song with "lithium" in its title does not necessarily mean that you are a manic depressive. -- The Anome 13:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jimi Hendrix

message: I removed the following:
* Phil Spector Self-described as follows: "I would say I'm probably relatively insane, to an extent… I take medication for schizophrenia, but I wouldn't say I'm schizophrenic. But I have a bipolar personality, which is strange." 
This is a special case, because, although he considers himself to have a "bipolar personality", his doctors, who are treating him for schizophrenia, clearly don't: although some symptoms can overlap between the disorders, the two diagnoses, and their overall clinical syndromes, are mutually exclusive. -- The Anome 13:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On balance I don't think this entry belongs. However, since the quotation makes the situation clear and is referenced, I didn't think there was much harm in leaving it in. That is, there is in fact a source citation that shows that Spector is a person believed to have been affected by bipolar disorder... by himself. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Phil Spector 

message: * Datta Shalini
... as no source was provided. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:21, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Datta Shalini

message: See this diff:  -- note that I have not removed Baudelaire, just removed a duplication, and sorted him to the right place in the listing. -- The Anome 13:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yet more unsourced entries removed 

message: I've removed the following as unsourced:
:* Courtney Love ,Musician,Actress,Author. Best known as the singer/songwriter for Hole (band), and as the widow of singer/songwriter Kurt Cobain. Quoted saying "Ive been known to be a bit mad" "I have manic episodes" on a documentary.
Although it offers self-describing quotes, this entry does not offer a source for them, so we can't include this here. -- The Anome 14:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Courtney Love 

message: * Marilyn Monroe, actress.  See article
The cited source is "McMan's Depression and Bipolar Web." The article has no identifiable author, and is excessively vague about citing sources of its own. It seems to be based on an AMC television bio. It is not at all clear whether the program really says in so many words that she had bipolar disorder, or who, exactly, said so. Phrases such as "Only Marilyn’s bipolar could explain the incredible and unpredictable ups and downs that governed her final days and resulted in her tragic ending" put me on my guard. It does say that "The AMC documentary very clearly let viewers know that Marilyn suffered from bipolar disorder, with testimony from her personal physician and with reference to her institutionalized mother," but, again, it does not name either her physician or her mother or give their words. If Monroe's physician were named and quoted as saying "She had bipolar disorder" that of course would be fine. (But if she had a physician who had diagnosed bipolar disorder why wasn't her physician treating her for it?)
If it's widely acknowledged that Monroe was bipolar, there ought to be a better source somewhere. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marilyn Monroe

message: (UTC)Robert Munsch has spoken openly about his bipolar disorder in several articles. The article sourced here is The Boy Inside the Man see --Story.lady 13:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Munsch best selling children's author, storyteller 

message: Removed from the list, yet again. Singing songs which might plausibly be interpreted to be about bipolar disorder is not the same as having it. As Dpbsmith said above, song titles and lyrics do not count; Johnny Cash was never in Folsom Prison, Eric Clapton never shot a sheriff. -- The Anome 09:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trent Reznor 

message: I've removed the following entry:
:"Shalini Datta, the famous Indian dancer stated in an interview that she had bipolar disorder The Telegraph 24th May 1989"
There is no article for a person of that name, and Google searches for '"Shalini Datta" dancer' and '"Shalini Datta" bipolar' find no relevant links other than mirrors of this list. -- The Anome 08:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shalini Datta 

message: I've removed the following entry:
:Kristy McNichol, actress. The former child star and teen idol left the show Empty Nest due to her battle with the depression. McNichol later returned to the show for a few episodes during the series' last season. 
Although the cited article describes her as having experienced manic depression, there is no evidence that she has ever spoken about this herself, and thus she cannot be included in this list. -- The Anome 07:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kristy McNichol 

message: Removed from the list:
:Phil Ochs, folk/topical singer from the 60's and early 70's. Towards the end of career he began to show erratic behaviour and had an alter ego, John Butler Train. The disorder ended with him hanging himself in 1976. 
This needs a verifiable cite before it can be restored to the article. In addition, the detail about an "alter ego" is peculiar, and appears to have no bearing on whether or not Ochs was bipolar. -- Karada 11:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phil Ochs 

message: Removed from the list:
:* Brad Jordan, rapper (in the 2nd verse of "Born Killer" he says that he suffers from Manic Depression) 
As stated several subheadings above, song lyrics, even when written in the first person, are not necessarily autobiographical. -- Karada 11:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brad Jordan 

message: Removed from the list:
:* Fredric Chopin, composer. Diaries and letters to friends describe intense depressive episodes characterized by psychotic features, alternating with spurts of unparalleled creativity.
Fascinating if true, but without a citation to a published version of the diaries, we can't put it in this list: cite, please? -- Karada 12:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chopin 

message: I removed Bill Lichtenstein from this list: although a cite is given, it's unclear as to whether the notability criteria are otherwise satisfied; is there any other evidence for notability other than this one mention in an article? -- The Anome 19:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill Lichtenstein 

message: Robbie Williams needs to be removed from this list. The very documentary that's mentioned stated that he had NEVER been diagnosed as BiPolar, just as having depression. He then went on to say that any "manic" signs people may see in him are just a stage persona.I have no idea how to remove it, so if somebody could that would be good  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.104.43.3 (talk) 21:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robbie Williams 

message: *Hi These Ae Some Legit Reasons Why I Think Gabe Race Should Be In List Of People Affected By Bipolar Disorder.
:According To My Reasearch Gabe Race Is One of The Most Affected By This Horribal Disorder And He takes It Very Well In An Interview With Health Line Gabe Quoted "Not Having Much Problems With This Disorder"And Says "God Gives You A Glitch,He Can't Fix It So Just Live With It"This Guy Seem Pretty Alright With Bipolar From What You heard There I Mean Its Pretty Reasonable That He Learned To LIve With It Pretty Legit This Is Why I Think He Should Be On.--Monkey_dude117 3:24 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::Monkey_Dude, sorry, but that's not enough to merit inclusion on this page. -- The Anome 14:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gabe Race

message: Removed from the list:
At the moment, this entry appears to fail the Google test, and I can't verify the source. Can someone provide a cite for this that can actually be looked up, either on the Internet or in a library, so we can validate it?  -- The Anome 18:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gilgamesh 

message: TMZ states that she is currently taking medication for BiPolar Disorder, but this does not mean that she has it, many people just think it is the paparazzi that are causing this. If she says that she has it, it is not proof as there is no way to test her for it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.43.217 (talk) 10:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Britney Spears 

message: It's is simply not needed. All additions can be easily removed. No need to restate Wikipedia's policy that many times. I have the page watchlisted, so I'll keep an eye on future additions. hmwithτ 20:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the amount of crap these lists get it definitely is needed. Many other of these lists also have a warning. Perhaps the same shorter warning could be used here. "Note: Please cite sources when adding entries to this list, unsourced entries will be removed". Garion96 (talk) 20:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's much better. Thanks for your helpful compromise. hmwithτ 04:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notice in every section

message: He used to have a small section on this page what happened? Come to think of it what happened to the c section?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SLTS91 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurt Cobain 

message: Craig Owens (musician) was added to this list without a cite to reliable sources. Since he is a living person, WP:BLP applies. What appears to be his blog has an entry attesting to this, but it's a primary source. We should at least have a reliable secondary source for confirmation before we can add this person. -- The Anome (talk) 01:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Craig Owens 

message: * David Strickland was also listed here without any information from reliable sources. I've removed the entry until the necessary information has been supplied. -- The Anome (talk) 17:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Strickland 

message: I've removed the following, since there's no article on this person:
:* Edward Renehan, author and musician, outed himself as bipolar/manic depressive in January 2008.http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/46403.html History News Network article, 14 January 2008
If this person meets the WP:BIO notability criteria, can someone please create the article, and then re-add the entry?
-- The Anome (talk) 22:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edward Renehan 

message: Would he be a good entry? Any published diagnosis? ----Tellerman
:I'd consider Cantor to be a dead ringer for having had bipolar disorder: his obsession with the unknowable, increasing religiosity, and eventual death in an asylum, all form a consistent picture. A bit of web browsing suggests that I'm not the only person to have had this idea. However, I can't find any published source that agrees with me on this, so he has to stay out. -- The Anome 13:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: Cantor's now fully cited, so he's in. -- The Anome 15:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Re what The Anome wrote: The "unknowable" ???  Admittedly, infinity is a mysterious and arcane concept, but a HUGE amount (no pun intended) is in fact known about it.   So it is far from "unknowable".Daqu (talk) 05:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: George Cantor

message: This list in itself is of questionable use. While it seems that some users may wish to know about famous people that have this disorder, it ends up being just another list without any real merit. I was also under the impression that lists in Wikipedia were looked down upon. Could someone possibly enlighten me as to this situation?
MDAmp 14:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What does happen to the "common" man with bipolar disorder, then? -- Karada 20:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: No. I have Bipolar and it's comforting to find out that people whom I admire have shared my painful experiences (remember, loneliness is a symptom of depressive periods in BP). The article only includes living people who have chosen to publicly state their afflictions, and as far as the deceased, having BP is more important toward academic pursuit in understanding the disorder than it is "embarrassing" or whatever it is you think that people with it may feel. Leopold Stotch (talk) 18:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Usefulness of this list

message: Removed from the article:
* Frank Sinatra, American singer and actor. He was telling in an interview in the 1950s: "Being an 18-karat manic-depressive, and having lived a life of violent emotional contradictions, I have an over-acute capacity for sadness as well as emotion." (Anthony Summers, Robbyn Swan, Sinatra: The Life, 2005,  ; p. 218.)
This is cited, and looks pretty much like a self-declaration of bipolar disorder, but it also could just be a figure of speech; is there any other evidence for Sinatra having been bipolar? -- The Anome (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Pronouncements by non-experts are always dubious. If Sinatra said he was diagnosed as manic-depressive, that would carry more weight. Binksternet (talk) 15:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sinatra 

message: Shouldn't there be a differentiation between the various points on the bipolar spectrum? The difference between bipolar I and the other subtypes is very substantial (i.e. psychosis). --209.89.155.96 (talk) 12:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Most people who publicly state that they have bipolar disorder don't make that information public. Cyclothymia, although a mood disorder on the bipolar spectrum , is not, as far as I know, officially a subtype of clinical bipolar disorder. -- The Anome (talk) 12:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether cyclothymia is "officially" a chronic bipolar disorder depends on who is making the distinction. Nonetheless, it is absurd to categorize all forms of bipolar disorder together in a list like this. They aren't the same condition at all. --209.89.155.96 (talk) 15:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually they're pretty similar compared to, say, diabetes. Leopold Stotch (talk) 07:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

text: That's "officially" in the sense of either the DSM-IV-TR or ICD-10, which, as far as I know, are the nearest things we have to "official", "authoritative", (whatever that means) standards in this area. -- The Anome (talk) 18:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bipolar I or II? Or what about cyclothymia, for that matter?

message: Virginia Woolf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.254.24.56 (talk) 20:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virginia Woolf 

message: Ben Stiller stated in GQ (): "I have not been an easygoing guy. I think it's called bipolar manic depression. I've got a rich history of that in my family." It should be said in the introduction on whether or not professional diagnosis is a requirement for inclusion. I think it absolutely should be. –Scarce ✉ 18:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Self-diagnosis should not stand. We have been including statements such as "I was diagnosed as bipolar" but not "I think I am bipolar". Binksternet (talk) 18:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben Stiller 

message: I think this is a mistake.  The Vonnegut with likely bipolar disorder is Kurt's son Mark, as explained in the Wikipedia article about him.  The footnoted reference page does not load but when I looked it up on the Wayback machine I found early and late versions of the linked page that both had lists of people with "Depression or Bipolar Disorder."  Kurt's depression is a bit more widely known.  Thus, I doubt there ever was an original source for Kurt Vonnegut's inclusion in this list.  It must have simply been a misinterpretation.  Can anyone think of a reason why we shouldn't remove his name?  Should we replace it with Mark?
Ph7five (talk) 20:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurt Vonnegut 

message: British Comedian and actor. He himself has said so in public. Stephen Fry  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.200.240.203 (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephen Fry

message: Hemingway, Ernest - foremost American writer of the 20th Century.
24.155.244.97 (talk) 05:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: source please. CTJF83 pride 06:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Hemingway now added, with two sources: a book, and an academic paper. More are available, if needed. -- The Anome (talk) 18:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we have to be very careful about this. In fact Hemingway was never diagnosed as bi-polar during his lifetime. His mental illness may have been caused by a number of mitigating factors such as a rare genetic disorder and an inordinate number of head injuries. In my view the sources\ simply suggest the possiblity of the condition without confirming. Additionally, his alcoholism was an another factor, and in my view, in retrospect a person can only guess but wouldn't know for certain whether or not the diagnosis is accurate. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 24.155.244.97, 10 June 2010 

message: *Hi, I will be glad if someone would be able to help me.
I'm doing a work to the university, psychology, about Abraham Lincoln and his bipolar disorder, I don't talk English too well, I just have to know what is the source for you to know he had the bipolar disorder. 
thanks!!
tamar
:*See Lincoln's Melancholy: How Depression Challenged a President and Fueled His Greatness, by Joshua Wolf Shenk (2005) ,  (cloth & paper). His diagnosis is major depression rather than bipolar disorder. --Halcatalyst 22:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lincoln was a depressive, not Bipolar. --DashaKat 02:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really?  I've read and heard that he was bipolar, and he was often described as having a dark "melancholia," which was the contemporary term for what was later called manic-depression and is now called bipolar disorder.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterwigginout (talk • contribs) 23:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Abraham Lincoln

message: Billboard, in an article about a forthcoming biopic, states that the late Frank Sinatra was bipolar: see http://www.billboard.com/news/scorsese-to-direct-frank-sinatra-biopic-1003972860.story#/news/scorsese-to-direct-frank-sinatra-biopic-1003972860.story 
Throughout his life, Sinatra had mood swings and bouts of depression. He acknowledged this, telling an interviewer in the 1950s: "Being an 18-karat manic-depressive, and having lived a life of violent emotional contradictions, I have an over-acute capacity for sadness as well as elation. () In her memoirs My Father's Daughter, his daughter Tina wrote about the "eighteen-karat" remark: "As flippant as Dad could be about his mental state, I believe that a Zoloft a day might have kept his demons away. But that kind of medicine was decades off."()
Kitty Kelley also refers to him as having manic phases in her book His Way: The Unauthorized Biography of Frank Sinatra: "In his manic phase, Frank seemed like the greatest Italian host since Lorenzo de Medici. He spent money lavishly, wining and dining his friends with unstinting generosity, flying them around the world in his private plane..." (, page 337 according to a Google Book search, although the text does not appear in the displayed snippet)
I wonder if this is sufficient to justify a listing in this article? -- The Anome (talk) 08:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank Sinatra 

message: David Walliams has publicly stated himself to both suffer from major depression and be a manic depressive ...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/09/27/walliams-brand-is-trisexual-115875-21703119/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/4743574/Comic-Walliams-speaks-of-depression-battle.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Princecamp (talk • contribs) 16:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: David Walliams

message: Remove Patrick Stump from the list. Source refers to his bandmate Pete Wentz. There is no evidence to suggest Patrick Stump has bipolar disorder. 
Helpertoall (talk) 17:16, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done agreed. Elizium23 (talk) 19:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Helpertoall, 8 May 2011 

message: The sources are vague speculations coming from sources that are not credible.  Putting him on this page fuels the stupid image that pop culture has created that he was this crazy out of control person with a bunch of mental illnesses, etc.  He was actually very well disciplined and calculated.  His erratic behavior in his life was due to the death of his wife, drinking, and his many stressfull finiancial troubles.
We should take a vote or something because as someone who reads a lot of Edgar Allan Poe, this really bothers me as a lot of people I would think would see this page if they are researching bipolar disorder.
:We generally don't do votes on Wikipedia. I have looked at the sources, and they appear quite credible. However, they all are based on reading his works and not by qualified doctors. If you wish to draw additional editors here, you can make an RfC. I will make a change to the article, but will not remove Poe's name right now. Quinxorin (talk) 07:19, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request, Edgar Allan Poe is not bipolar, the sources are not credible sources 

message: British comedian has said in his autobiography that he has bipolar disorder. See http://www.thecnj.com/review/2007/122007/books122007_02.html?headline=Won_over_by_an_idiot_who%E2%80%99s_interesting  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miightyhawk (talk • contribs) 15:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Russell Brand

message: Hi it's Kevin Nalty, one of YouTube's most viewed comedians (source: youtube.com/nalts) and author of "Beyond Viral." (source www.beyondviral.com). I'm "coming out" as I've been recently diagnosed with bipolar and want to help normalize it for others... Would you please add me? I'm not as "famous" as some, but more than others (quarter billion views is more than many TV shows get). Potential copy: "Kevin Nalty is one of the most-viewed online-video comedians and an author. 
Source: http://willvideoforfood.com/about-nalts/ (I just added that I've got bipolar in the "about" section of this page).
My wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Nalty
Thanks. It's hard to accept and go public with this, but I know it's good. If you want to e-mail me to confirm: kevinnalty@gmail.com
KevinNalty (talk) 21:44, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unfortunately unless you can provide suitable, secondary source, independent and reliable references for this assertion, then it will not be suitable for inclusion. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. If you need any further clarification, don't hesitate to contact me. Jay Σεβαστόςdiscuss 22:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from KevinNalty, 17 September 2011 

message: This is not maybe black and white case but deserves mentioning I think
http://www.bnet.com/blog/smb/im-a-little-bipolarand-it-helps-my-business/516
http://blogs.psychcentral.com/bipolar-advantage/2011/08/is-steve-jobs-bipolar/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.213.52.170 (talk) 02:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The first source is not reliable for claims about Steve Jobs, and the second does not give any concrete information, admitting "My evidence is flimsy" and asking Does anyone have any strong evidence for or against the notion that Steve is bipolar?. Elizium23 (talk) 03:51, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Jobs 

message: I noticed that in at least one instance the condition is discussed in the possessive:
[DMX] has spoken openly about his manic depression.
While many with the condition do associate manic depression as am aspect of themselves, it is not appropriate -especially for those without the diagnosis- to discuss it this way. Furthermore, this kind of relationship is personal and we cannot speak on DMX's behalf on how he relates with his diagnosis.
Recommend changing to:
has spoken openly about his diagnosis of bipolar disorder [manic depression]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skarts (talk • contribs) 
:I think it's an entirely reasonable thing to describe a pervasive mental disorder as an aspect of yourself. However, as a description of him from the outside, I somewhat reluctantly agree with you on this. -- The Anome (talk) 10:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I by no means suggest that conditions as manic depression/bipolar disorder should be discouraged from one's own identity - I am a very big advocate of the "*being* not *having* bipolar" sentiment - and I am happy that you agree. However, this should extend to individual's perspectives on the condition, and should not be discussed that way as the fact. Furthermore, the sentiment of "being" bipolar is controversial, even within the community. Skarts (talk) 02:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

text: I'd appreciate it if this issue were addressed. I don't think it's a big deal. If Wikipedia is going to close certain topics for editing by the public, then the editors must be proactive is responding. Manic depression is *not* possessive, the diagnosis is. Skarts (talk) 21:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manic depression not possessive 

message: In addition to this list article of people with bipolar disorder, there is also a category of "People with bipolar disorder".  Surely there should be some way of automatically ensuring the two are synchronised???
AlexAndrews (talk) 23:28, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category "People with bipolar disorder" 

message: A quick perusal of this list and the "people affected by major depression" list revealed that many people are listed on both. It is not possible to be diagnosed with both major depressive disorder AND bipolar disorder. If there are manic episodes, it's bipolar; if not, it's major depression.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.29.227 (talk) 10:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. It's not so much that the Venn diagram has no overlap. It's that, by definition, all bipolar people—bipolar I or bipolar II—have (or have had or will have) major depressive disorder, but not all depressives are bipolar. We should look into collapsing the list to avoid redundancies. On the other hand, that will require some research, as I'm pretty sure some of the people on this page had no manic episodes to be bipolar. JCaesar (talk) 02:19, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Can't be both... major depressive disorder OR bipolar disorder

message: I have removed an entry for Baudelaire which was sourced to the following "senior honors project" thesis paper: . I do not believe that a senior thesis is the reliable scholarly source we are looking for in building this article. More questions, this can be taken up at the reliable sources noticeboard if you are interested in a broader determination. Elizium23 (talk) 19:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Some thoughts on the other "sources" cited. Baudelaire and Tennyson were summarily removed due to failing WP:RS. Undergrad thesis papers are not scholarly sources. J.M.W. Turner is cited to a self-published book, see WP:SELFPUB, fails WP:RS. Hermann Hesse is cited to a book on literary criticism written by a critic, not a doctor or health care professional, not WP:RS for statements about Hesse's mental health. Thomas Edison, sourced to a WP:SELFPUB work by a "former trial attorney"; fails WP:RS handily. Walter Benjamin: cited to a compendium of his essays by a modern editor. Assertion says he "suffered from depression and bouts of energy" which is not a diagnosis of bipolar disorder by a health care professional. Fails WP:RS and WP:V. Elizium23 (talk) 14:23, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for recent edits 

message: Sir Winston Churchill - British Statesman, wartime politician and Nobel prize recipiant.  Referred to his illness as his "Black Dog".
203.173.235.219 (talk) 23:24, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to give a reference to make a request.  Chzz  ►  04:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 203.173.235.219, 27 September 2011 

message: This list needs to be split in two, possibly sections in the same page: (a) people who are known to have declared a diagnosis of bipolar (Stephen Fry, Zeta-Jones, etc.) and (b) Speculative and/or professional back-diagnoses based on the analysis (not here, not WP:OR) of circumstantial evidence.
You can't bring back-diagnosis to the proof standard of "Catherine Zeta-Jones shows her long-form bipolar certificate". You also can't just erase Vincent van Gogh -- there are too many culturally significant individuals who have had afflictions of cultural consequence and enough meaning for professionals like dr. Jamison to be able to pattern-match. Each list has a distinct meaning and importance; forcing (a) into (b) and (b) into (a) just erodes the whole process.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnavarro (talk • contribs) 17:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: This list needs to be split in two

message: This list needs serious pruning and there needs to be a bright line between speculation (eliminate) and actual diagnosis. Authors aren't at liberty to suddenly lay the mantle of medical issues on folks and have those stick. Even those that work in the field are not at liberty to make a diagnosis without attending the subject. Revisionist speculation written by authors is not good enough. — Berean Hunter (talk) 03:42, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: List of people with major depressive disorder is similar. JakeDowell (talk) 04:45, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Even doctor's are not always particularly with diagnosing mental health issues. Many doctors diagnose very early in the treatment process for the sake or making an insurance claim (no diagnosis, no payment for service). It can takes months to refine a proper mental health diagnosis. In my practice I often give a preliminary diagnosis such as Major Depression, Adjustment Disorder or Bipolar in the first session, and refine it to something more accurate and specific later on as treatment continues. So much of diagnosis in mental health is based on the self report of the patient and patients with mental illness are not always particularly good with offering specific details or being completely honest. I agree with the above. Many patients that come to me and tell be they have bipolar have been poorly diagnosed in the past.  This list is essentially useless.    Jeff Vollmer LCPC  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:7500:163:C5C:FCC2:780C:137 (talk) 04:06, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctors and not writers make diagnosis 

message: It isn't even mentioned on his page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.169.47 (talk) 06:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  I feel like Adolf Hitler's bipolarity isn't well documented enough to be kept here 

message: Can we please remove Adolf Hitler from the list? He was such a deluded psychopath, how can anyone claim they know definitively if he had this underlying condition? It reflects poorly on the reality of bipolar disorder, because a lot of people already falsely think the illness equates psychotic insanity.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.87.73 (talk) 18:17, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove Adolf Hitler

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