Talk:List of ethnic groups in Myanmar

message: How can we appear unbiased if the only mention of the Rohingya is to say they aren't counted? It's obvious this page is being reverted and white-washed by biased actors, the UN acknowledges the goings-on in Rakhine state, this is a major elephant in the room and it should be addressed in an appropriate place in this article. It doesn't have to be a novel, nor an essay, but to not mention it (besides an off-hand image caption) seems preposterous. This was an issue in 2012, it was an issue years before on here, and it's even MORE relevant today so the fact that this has been ignored on this article - in which it is very much a relevant topic, preferably under "unrecognized ethnic groups" - is a miscarriage of the purpose of this website, which if I'm not mistaken is to inform. Correct me if I'm wrong. 2601:87:4400:AF2:3535:4854:7A99:ED90 (talk) 23:17, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Impossible to Ignore

message: There was a lot of talk a few years ago about the Rohingya on this page - I can see from the history that this is still being reverted fairly often. This is of increased importance again due to recent events in Rakhine State. This problem is one of bias - but bias goes both ways. If we don't include the Rohingya, are we not appearing biased towards that view of Myanmar? The only way forward as I see it is to present both sides of the argument clearly - either here or on the Rohingya page. --Losgann (talk) 06:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The Rohingya again

message: Why does Kokang say "Mandarin Chinese" after it?  Aren't they ethnolinguistic Shan, as described on the various websites?  Badagnani 01:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Kokang are ethnic Chinese who fled during the Ming dynasty and formed the Yang dynasty and district which was autonomous, but in name controlled by the Ming dynasty. They speak a Mandarin dialect similar to Yunnan Mandarin, and their district was incorporated into British Burma through the Anglo-Chinese Treaty 1897. The Kokang are under "Shan National Race" only because they live in Shan State. Page 109 of Globalizing Chinese Migration: Trends in Europe and Asia () mentions this, as does  (well, sort of, the Mandarin Chinese names).--Hintha 03:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: In all of the publications I have seen, none has stated "Kokant". But, considering the government's odd manner of transliterating and romanising names, I wouldn't be surprised if that is an alternative name. But if it is, 'Kokant' is certainly not Burmese or Mandarin in origin. --Hintha 03:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kokang

message: Race. Ethnic Groups.
Successive Myanmar Military leaders repeatedly claim that Muslims in Myanmar (Burma) could not be called, registered or enlisted as a separate race.
They are giving various reasons or lame excuses  for that attempts of Ethnic Cleansing.(I hope Wikipedia could stay neutral and resist on this issue of the attemps by some of its own Burmese Chauvinist editors to erase my Burmese Muslims/Myanmar Muslims and Burmese Indian Muslims/Myanmar Indian Muslims --
1.Muslims in Myanmar (Burma) are mix-blooded people, not pure race as Burmese Buddhists.
2.Muslims are migrants only and not the original people of the land.
3.Muslims are scattered all over the country without owning a separate state as other races of Burma.
4.No race can be formed base on the religion.
5.By calling Kala, meaning Indian, the authorities equate all the Muslims with the recent migrants of Indians under the British or even trying to accuse as fresh illegal immigrant.
6.The hidden agenda is their deep-seated fear of propagation of Islam. They are scared of future Muslim dominance although it is not possible.
We hereby intend to consider some undeniable facts about the three crucial words of –
Now let us look at the “ROOTS OF MYANMAR MUSLIMS.”
Forefathers of Myanmar Muslims had landed in Myanmar (Burma’s Rakhine, Ayeyarwady delta and Tanintharyi coast) as early as ninth century, roughly about 200 years before King Anawrahta of Pagan established the first Myanmar (Burmese) empire in 1055 AD. 
He later concurred the King Manuha and Buddhist Mons of Thaton. He then invited Shin Arahan to propagate Buddhist teaching among people of Pagan. So the Buddhist religion reached Burma much later than the arrival of Islam. But we had to admit that the Hindus and Buddhists arrived the lower Burma (not owned by the Burmese or Myanmar yet) earlier than the Islam.
Because of that uniting force of Buddhist Religion, the original three Ethnic Minority Groups of Pagan: Pyu, Kan Yan and Thet assimilated homogeneously into present Myanmars.
So, we hereby want to challenge present Myanmar Generals, especially BSPP/SLORC/SPDC and cohorts Burmese Chauvinists to deny that the Buddhist Religion forms the backbone of the formation of Burmans or Myanmars.
Even the Chinese, Indian Hindus, Indian Muslims, Japanese and some Anglo Burmans if they convert (or pretend to convert to) Buddhism they would be homogeneously assimilated into Burmese Buddhists. Burmese Chinese like General Ne Win, General Khin Nyunt, President San Yu etc are accepted as “PURE BURMESE” and given hightest positions.  When SHIA MUSLIM U Sein Win and Sunni Dr Maung Di renounced Islam, they were accepted into the mainstream administration, Sein Win was even given PM post. Mg Di deputy Ed. Minister. There are many mixed –blooded people in Myanmar disguised as PURE Bamas. During the SPDC’s present registration on issuing National Identity Cards, if any said he  or she is Buddhist no more questions, easily accepted as pure Bama. But one the relagion is Islam, even if he or se is recently converted into Islam, they refused to accept as a pure race.
It is not a simple, minor issue but the very important thing of denying a citizen’s right to posess a National Identity Card. Without it could not travel inside or outside MYANMAR/Burma.
1.Race.
2.Ethnic Minority Group and,
3.Citizen.
We should analyze which groups of people are deserved to be called or who have
the sole right to be called a separate Race, separate distinct Ethnic Minority Group or a real Citizen.
1.Are only so called “pure race” should be called a race and not so pure or mixed blooded people could not stay together to form a RACE?
2.Or are those “pure blooded” races are really pure enough?
3.Are those “Original Owners of the Land” really true or just mere early Migrants, reserving and monopolizing the place?
4.Are migrants always regarded as migrants without entitlement to any Human Rights or Citizens’ Rights, even after few generations?
5.Well-established migrants, after already accepted as a citizen are still foreigners?
6.Are descendents of migrants and local mixed marriages still alien after few generations?
7.Could a conqueror of the war just annexes the new territory and regarded the locals staying in that land as Foreigners and started the ethnic cleansing?
8.Could that conqueror brought back the prisoners of war back, for various reasons e.g. slavery, to serve in various positions, civil or army, and allowed to settle in the heart of the country as permanent aliens for few generations?
9.Could the kings, after accepting the helping friendly allied forces, allow them to settle in his country, gave land, property and even brides as rewards after the victory, but a few generations later kicked them out as lousy migrants?
10.After staying few dozens of years or few centuries under a foreign powers as a colony, once got the independence, could the new local government start to kick out the migrants entered during the period of colony?
11.Could they erase the real historical fact of gaining their independence after all was obtained with the help of so-called migrants?
12.Should they neglect the promises of fair and equal treatment they had given to those Migrants and the colonial masters before gaining the independence?
13.Is a religion could never form the backbone of a race?
14.Is descendents of migrants could never form a separate or distinct race?
15.Is a religion could never form the backbone of an ethnic minority group?
16.Is descendents of migrants could never form an ethnic minority group?
17.To be regarded as a race, ethnic minority group or a citizen, is there any rule to be the original settler or owner of a land? Country? Or a State?
18.Have the Migrants no chance to be accepted as citizens?
Although all of the above questions lead to undeniable truth, we like to highlight the above axioms with the following facts. They are taken from the world’s historical theatre and our Myanmar (Burmese) geography and local history.
Race.
A group of people with a certain sense of itself and cohesiveness is called a race. There is usually a commonality or shared values such as: social, culture, attitudes and ideals.The most important bond and determining all these is a religion. There is usually a common language, literature and a territory.
It may be a ‘pure’ race (homogeneous) e.g. Arian, Mongoloid or African. Or a ‘mixed’ race (heterogeneous) that is a mixture of few tribes, clans or minority groups. They mixed, stayed and struggled together with the sense of unity.
Let us look at how Islam deals with this sensitive racial issue as Arabs were and are so proud of their race.
Islam not only recognises absolute equality between men irrespective of any distinction of colour, race or nationality, but also makes it an important and significant principle, a reality. 
All Human are descendants of one father and one mother.
The division of the human race is neither meant for one nation to take pride in its superiority over others nor is it meant for one nation to treat another with contempt or disgrace, or regard them as a mean and degrade other races and usurp their rights.
South Africa Zulu is the combination of many tribes and clans by a powerful worrier in nineteenth century. So it is obvious that they are not homogeneous.
African Americans & Asian Americans are regarded as recognized Ethnic Minority Groups but there are many subgroups under them.
Among Asian Americans, some of the bigger groups such as Indian Americans and Chinese Americans could be subdivided according to the clan, dialect, religion and their home state or district.
So it is very obvious that non-homogeneous or more correctly, heterogeneous factor could not rule out the legality of a race.
Owning a territory, land, state or country is not very important to become a race. 
Israelis and Palestinians have no homeland at all earlier in the long world history. Actually they were not the original owners of that sacred land.
Just because they had no land, we could not deny the fact that, the Israelis and Palestinians distinct and famous races. They were even mentioned in three holy books and their racial conflict was and is the world’s most important and dangerous problems.
Most of the American Ethnic Groups also have no separate states. 
Or some Ethnic Groups’ historical territories may be occupied by different nations or countries at present. 
We like to give some examples. 
 Mons of Myanmar, Thailand and Cambodia, now occupied by three separate countries.
Like some of the Myanmar Ethnic Groups, the Malays, Indonesians and Polynesians had descended from the Yunan 
But few historians are thinking about the possibility of reverse migration from Australia side. But some Polynesians have got some mixture of Africa.
But even recently some genetic experts found out that there is some evidence that the Chinese originally descended and migrated from Africa. 
Actually the “Bush People” featured in ‘ God is crazy 2’ are a little bit yellow and their features are some what like Myanmar or Mongoloid. (One of the Myanmar Doctor, Anaesthetic in Namabia wrote in the Myanmar Magazine in 1998).
Karens of Myanmar and Thailand. 
Shans, Siam and Southern Chinese (Nankhan) divided into the races of Myanmar, Thailand, Laos and some Chinese ethnic minorities.Nagas of Myanmar and India are exactly same races in different countries.
And many Ethnic Minority Groups commonly found in China and India are also found and recognised as prided or precious nationals of Myanmar especially in Kachin and Shan States.
So the relation of the citizenship for the same race staying in different country is totally different.
Relation between the race and history of land ownership is also irrelevant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darz kkg (talk • contribs) 02:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you are all Burmese at heart, why was there the need for self imposed segregations based upon religion? If you truly believe that you are a Burmese at heart, why dont you call yourself "Burmese"?   Your posting contradict your belief and i dont think anyone was fooled by that little heart warming statement at the bottom of the post.  Okkar 12:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EVOLUTION OF MYANMAR MUSLIMS. 

message: Just curious why this article recognizes the existence of Burmese Chinese, Panthay, Burmese Indians, Anglo-Burmese, and Rohingya as "unrecognized ethnic groups" but lists only the officially recognized "major ethnic races" in the list? Seems to me that the article should list all the ethnic groups, official or not, that are present in Burma and after state which ones are officially recognized and which ones are not. --RegentsPark (talk) 16:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unrecognized ethnic groups? 

message: Recently, an editor changes list of ethnic groups from alphabetical list to  list by States and Regions. This edition  groups under Administrative divisions of Burma and titles as The officially list of ethnic groups in Burma but there is no such use and this edition is not official classification system. However, the government (official) classification system is also controversial because it groups ethnic groups under ethnic races by geography, rather than by linguistic or genetic similarity.  The Burmese government classification identifies 'eight major national ethnic races (not States and Regions) which comprise 135 "distinct" ethnic groups' and no such use of Bamar divisions. This The officially list of ethnic groups in Burma may be confused with another official list of ethnic groups reserved seats for State and Region Hluttaws in every States and Regions. So Alphabetical list will be better.PhyoWP  *click           11:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the alphabetical list is a fake. Created by an official who had to use a list of ethnic groups in Burma. The whole page is a fake. The article calls for research that we can not make.Jesper7 (talk) 01:54, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  In regarding this edit , the article name is 'List of ethnic groups in Burma', so there should be a list either alphabetical list or officially list of ethnic groups. Replacing the list with list of its languages ( Myanmar languages ISO 639-3 codes) is not a good idea. Ethnic groups in Thailand and List of ethnic groups in China are some examples. Myanmar languages ISO 639-3 codes should be at Languages of Burma. PhyoWP  *click           02:12, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Officially recognized ethnic groups are from wikipedia! In a military dictatorship critical thinking is not appreciated. So wikipedia is a good and reliable source.Jesper7 (talk) 14:57, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The officially list of ethnic groups in Burma 

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:Thaungtha is similar with rabain
But what does it mean ??? 98.123.38.211 (talk) 02:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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