Talk:Payot

message: On the firs line.. the plural should end with a (T) not a (H) !!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.46.21.96 (talk • contribs) 
: I don't see any "h" there. All words seem spelled correctly to me. Debresser (talk) 15:54, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correcting Hebrew spelling 

message: Payot is not an English word. The word in English is payess. Payot belongs in the Wikipedias of other languages. Very strange! --Ring Cinema (talk) 16:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "Payess" is Yiddish, not English either. Debresser (talk) 18:07, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not correct. Payess is in English dictionaries. Payot is not. Therefore, payess is English. --Ring Cinema (talk) 19:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sigh. Debresser (talk) 21:42, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have a citation? Obviously I don't care either way. --Ring Cinema (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was just pointing out the origin of the word is Yiddish. Debresser (talk) 00:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: So you are agreeing that 'payess' is English? Almost all English words have their origin in another language, so I'm not sure how that is germane. Wikipedia goes by reliable sources, and the major English dictionaries have 'payess' and do not have 'payot'. Why are we doing it wrong? This is not a Yiddish encyclopedia. --Ring Cinema (talk) 00:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  The irony is that payot is not Hebrew either. In Hebrew it is peot. So, if payot is not Hebrew nor Yiddish nor English, I guess it's time to make a move. Dan Palraz (talk) 11:49, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No sure how you think this word is supposed to be pronounced. It's "pay" + "oat" in Hebrew (Payot, Pe'ot, Peyot, or any of these with Ashk. ending /s/, occ. Ashk. diphthong /ois/ but usually these speakers will use the Yiddish instead) and "pay" + "iss" in Yiddish (Payes or Peyes, where /e/ represents a schwa). I have reverted your move to Peot with the following summary:  GordonGlottal (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not a matter of preference, though, is it? As others have pointed out for years, payot is not an English word nor is it a transliteration. If there isn't an English word, Wikipedia policy is to use a transliteration, which in this case is peot or pe'ot; I do agree that "payot" can be given as the anglicized pronunciation, though, but we cannot say that "Payot is the Hebrew term for sidelocks", because that is simply false. Dan Palraz (talk) 07:33, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: When the word is commonly used in English, we should use a common English spelling instead of a technically accurate transliteration. So says WP:NAME. There are some normal English spellings on this pattern (Meir, for one) but it isn't common or, without the apostrophe, intuitive. I don't think there's a single word in English where "eo" is pronounced that way. Ngram doesn't even return either "Peot" or "Pe'ot" as valid. For this word, search shows in English it is most common to 1) Use the standard Hebrew vowels, and 2) If doing that, represent them by "ayo". This is a little convoluted so I think I strong argument could be made for "Payes", but I predict more editors will be satisfied by "Payot", which both "Peot" and "Payes" users will recognize. I think there's a real concern that "payes" speakers will have no idea what "peot" are and vice versa. I forgot to check before, but Ngram confirms that this is the normal spelling for English formal use] (this is all the spellings for which Ngram was willing to return results). Totally OK with your lede change. GordonGlottal (talk) 11:59, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  English encyclopedia 

message: Why is it locked? It seems like an uncontroversial topic Freyheytlid (talk) 20:52, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Freyheytlid Excessive vandalism -Lemonaka‎ 01:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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