Talk:Androgen prohormone

message: Alteripse reverted a my edits over complains i removed important content.  The content i removed was:
:A third dimension of deceit involves their legal classification: most "prohormones" are sold as dietary supplements to avoid the much tighter efficacy and safety requirements of the Food and Drug Administration which apply to prescription hormones.
:Prohormones are legally sold in most parts of the world and are classified in the United States by the FDA as dietary supplements because they consist of compounds that occur naturally in the human body; however their use remains quite controversial and side effects are not uncommon. 
In my view the content above is no longer justified since (as the article says) prohormones were made illegal in the united states.  
And i also added:
:Prohormones are also illegal in many European countries.
:It is also marketed as a form of anti-aging and for those who wish to lose weight.
Ok - so maybe you didn't agree with me moving the text around but was just attempting to make it easier to understand and read.
Please explain why the content i removed is required and why what i added is not relavent or true.
johnSLADE (talk) 10:31, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted Edits 

message: Androgens and anabolic steroids are not the only prohormones.  I've taken estradiol valerate before, and that is a prohormone of estradiol.  Synthroid is a prohormone of T4.  Likewise, there are prohormones of insulin.  As for the legal arguments, they would only apply to anabolic steroids.  So the anabolic steroid and androgen bias needs to be removed, with less androgens listed in detail, and more of the other prohormones.  I found this article through the thyroid article.--74.124.187.76 (talk) 16:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why just androgens? 

message: A law was passed making only some pro hormones illegal. There are pro hormones that are legal like halodrol, tren and others. Often they are molecularly similar to steroids and are metholated to survive a pass through the liver. When they pass through the liver their molecular structure is altered to an actual steroid in some cases. This is why they cause a positive drug test for steroids. This article is inaccurate in it's law references and the information is very dated at best.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.249.81 (talk) 21:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prohormone misinformation 

message: androstanediol--
3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; and
3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;
androstanedione (5a-androstan-3,17-dione);
androstenediol--
1-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);
1-androstenediol (3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);
4-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene); and
5-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-5-ene);
androstenedione--
1-androstenedione ([5a]-androst-1-en-3,17-dione);
4-androstenedione (androst-4-en-3,17-dione); and
5-androstenedione (androst-5-en-3,17-dione);
bolasterone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
boldenone (17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4,-diene-3-one);
calusterone (7b,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
clostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
dehydrochloromethyltestosterone (4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one);
1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. `1-testosterone') (17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);
4-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one);
drostanolone (17b-hydroxy-2a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one);
ethylestrenol (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-ene);
fluoxymesterone (9-fluoro-17a-methyl-11b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
formebolone (2-formyl-17a-methyl-11a,17b-dihydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);
furazabol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrostano[2,3-c]-furazan);
13a-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one;
4-hydroxytestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one);
4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-estr-4-en-3-one);
mestanolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one);
mesterolone (1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);
methandienone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);
methandriol (17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-5-ene);
methenolone (1-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);
methyltestosterone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
mibolerone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
17a-methyl-*1-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-en-3-one) (a.k.a. `17-a-methyl-1-testosterone');
nandrolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
norandrostenediol--
19-nor-4-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);
19-nor-4-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);
19-nor-5-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene); and
19-nor-5-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene);
norandrostenedione--
19-nor-4-androstenedione (estr-4-en-3,17-dione); and
19-nor-5-androstenedione (estr-5-en-3,17-dione;
norbolethone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one);
norclostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
norethandrolone (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
oxandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-2-oxa-[5a]-androstan-3-one);
oxymesterone (17a-methyl-4,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
oxymetholone (17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);
stanozolol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androst-2-eno[3,2-c]-pyrazole);
stenbolone (17b-hydroxy-2-methyl-[5a]-androst-1-en-3-one);
testolactone (13-hydroxy-3-oxo-13,17-secoandrosta-1,4-dien-17-oic acid lactone);
testosterone (17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
tetrahydrogestrinone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4,9,11-trien-3-one);
trenbolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one); and
any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph  
- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.248.18 (talk) 17:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Banned list

message: Where's the reference for it being bitter and needing transdermal application?  Searle never persued it because it was bad for the liver.  It is highly orally available compared to other AASs in any of its three forms: undecanoate, ester, or ethyls. And it was also "known" as a real steroid because it actually was one.  Duh.  The whole "pro" or precusor thing was an attempt to get around the law.  -Reticuli 66.178.144.182 (talk) 09:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1-test 

message: Anyone have any information regarding interactions with other drugs, specifically alcohol? I couldn't find anything at first glance on google.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mferrante123 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug interactions 

message: the following is unsourced - moved here per WP:VERIFY:
A typical prohormone is intended to be a precursor of an anabolic steroid like testosterone, which is taken in order to boost the body’s available hormone supply. These precursors are intended to be converted to full, active hormones via an enzymatic process that occurs during metabolism, typically resulting in the addition of whichever atoms happen to be missing from the chemical structure of the compound.
Prohormones are used mainly by athletes looking to increase size, strength, endurance, reduce recovery time or add lean body mass. They are most often used for increasing muscle mass or reducing body fat levels. Life extension groups are also increasingly using prohormones as a means of hormone replacement therapy, as an alternative to prescription drug use. Additionally there is a movement to use prohormones of androgens to help offset the damaging effects of environmental estrogens on the body.  Chemical endocrine disruptor agents like bisphenol A are becoming recognized as having the ability to skew the androgen to estrogen ratio. This skewed ratio can have many adverse effects on men, including sexual performance, impotence and other testosterone dependent body functions.
The use of prohormones has become popular among bodybuilders, since the effects can be similar (though normally much less drastic) to those achieved through the use of synthetic anabolic steroids, including gains in muscular strength and hypertrophy.  There are currently many companies manufacturing prohormone products for this purpose.
Prohormones have the same side effects as anabolic steroids, and are dependent upon the user as to which side effects one might experience. Some side effects are acne, hair loss, breast tissue enlargement, and prostate swelling; however, these are specific to each type of prohormone, and reports of side effects are usually minimal.
The potential for these side effects does exist, but it can be reduced if one uses proper precautionary measures such as post cycle therapy (PCT). Generally, if a person is genetically predisposed to a side effect it will occur (i.e.: if someone has a history of male pattern baldness in the family, it could be assumed that this could be a side effect experienced if prohormones are used)
-- Jytdog (talk) 08:57, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  unsourced 1 

message: This article contains numerous grammatical and syntactical errors, as well as unsourced statements or possibly "original research." In my opinion, it requires the attention of a seasoned editor and might benefit from a complete rewrite. Brianbbad (talk) 18:24, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete overhaul?