Talk:Táltos

message: Pls let me have a little time to search for reference. I have this info from several books. Abdulka 14:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
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message: Alensha, if you explain why you have deleted lines, I am ready to follow your ideas.
But if you have just deleted by sport, then let it this way. Abdulka 16:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: Maybe the following source can help in the discussion of the debated lines:
I have found yesterday a description of a local folk belief, cited by Diószegi VilmosDiószegi 1998:297
(Link added. Indirect citation's bibliography is in #Indirect citation.)
Maybe, according to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, more specially, Wikipedia:Verifiability, it is possible to describe the topic of great kings' shamanistic reputation in some popular beliefs, but (till other sources are found), only as a local folk belief.
Physis 19:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for great kings' shamanistic reputation, treating it as a folk belief 

message: Be careful! Without questioning Mr Dioszegi's work done in Syberia, pls don't forget that this theory is outdated now. There is NO connection between shamans of Finno-Ugrian origin and Hungarian taltos. The main differences are:
* shamans LEARN to be shamans, while taltos get their power during prenatal period
* shamans use external matters to go into mediation, taltos do not need anything. In fact you cannot distinguish taltos from ordinary people
* shamans usually do some kind of acting (dancing, mumbling, etc) when they are in "operation", taltos are without any movement
* taltos could be female
The most important point is that the powers of Shaman are NOT directly from metaphysics! The Hungarian tradition is full of metaphysical aspects (ie. the Doctrine of St Stephen's crown)and is difficult to understand with our "materialised" mind today.
The shaman is relating to "javas" in Hungarian. They were also similar to Taltos, the tradition is still living in "javasasszony" (curing lady). They have learnt their profession from their mother and the mother was selecting from their daughters who could be the best fit for this profession. This profession, in fact, was (is) very painful and difficult.
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One more important thing: taltos concept is NOT A BELIEF, there are still living.
One example is in Oroszkút, Erdély (Transylvania), a dead-end village, where there is a "János bácsi".
All táltos has a mission from God. His mission was to re-start Csíksomlyói búcsú. This was harassed bz Romanian authorities, when the Romanian army was having military excercice every year exactly at that date. The hill was very much destryed. He, knowing nothing about the politics, told every body his mission is to help people to have again this "búcsú". In 1962, if I remember well, Romanian authorities did not order excesise for the army. Was it beause of external politics? Possible, but how could this old man know everything in advance?
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For this reason I will remove all indication to shamanistic remnants, while keeping respect to Mr Dioszegi's work. Abdulka 10:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Táltos is not a Shaman! 

message: Does any 1 has an etymology of that word Taltos and idea of where it came from?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nix1129 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: I would really like to see a scientific historic source for this rather strange sounding claim. Are there any reliable sources for that or is this just a myth, that circulates among Hungarian neopagans and extreme nationalists? --El bes (talk) 20:44, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maria Theresa baby killer? 

message: Definitely seemed like nationalistic posturing. It basically boiled down to "A Táltos is a shaman BUT BETTER!" Midnight-Blue766 (talk) 06:06, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Pulled "Shamans and Difference