Talk:Lemmings (video game)

message: Not a videogame. Computers are not video consoles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.62 (talk) 07:35, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: So, the last paragraph of the article is this:
"Lemmings has also been called a predecessor of the modern real-time strategy (RTS) video game genre. A 1991 Amiga Power article claimed that Lemmings "was the first major game to introduce the 'indirect-control' concept," an element that is now common in many RTS games.[73] Blizzard Entertainment developer Bob Fitch said that part of the inspiration for the first Warcraft game, Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, was based on developing a competitive multiplayer RTS that combined elements of The Lost Vikings (which he had worked on) and Lemmings; Fitch said "We just went, 'Oh it's so cool when you see lots of Lemmings all over the place. Why don't we have lots of Vikings all over instead, and then the Vikings can fight each other."[74] Lemmings' introduction of RTS elements has been noted by fantasy author Terry Pratchett; in his novel Interesting Times, an army of golems is controlled in a fashion reminiscent of the Lemmings user interface. When readers asked if this was deliberate, Pratchett responded: "Merely because the red army can fight, dig, march and climb and is controlled by little icons? Can't imagine how anyone thought that... Not only did I wipe Lemmings from my hard disk, I overwrote it so I couldn't get it back."[75]"
So, these are three examples for Lemmings having an influence on RTS games. Let's go through these:
1. If you say "Lemmings has also been called a predecessor of the modern RTS genre", you have to quote that someone actually says that. The Amiga Power quote says it introduced indirect controls. Then for some reason the statement that RTS games use indirect control isn't in quotation marks. Why? Is it original research? Most RTS games I played DON'T use indirect control. You give a command and click on the target. That's direct control. The only RTS I know that uses indirect control is Settlers. Dune 2, Warcraft, Command and Conquer are all controlled directly.
2. The fact that Orcs & Humans were originally concieved as Lemmings meet Vikings doesn't mean it ended up like that. It ended up like a reskin of Dune 2.
3. Terry Pratchett doesn't even mention RTS games. He mentions Lemmings.
These three examples are far fetched and cherry picked, and include some kind of weird theorizing that shouldn't be on Wikipedia. The statement that Lemmings is a predecessor of RTS games isn't obvious and need to be supported, and I think it's very telling that there is no quote that actually says that Lemmings were the predecessor of RTS games, even tho it is stated that someone said that. 80.98.184.139 (talk) 16:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  RTS??? Sounds like theorizing based on cherrypicking 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure)  BegbertBiggs (talk) 23:30, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Lemmings (video game) →  – There's a good case to be made for the game being a WP:PLURALPT. Pageviews are far in advance of any other "Lemmings" article. The situation is similar to, say, Planters. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

text: sorry but I believe that you have misread WP:PLURALPT, see comments on the faulty Planters RM Feb 2020  Talk:Planters#NO:PRIMARY_agrees_with_WP:PLURALPT , the guideline is the opposite of what was stated. That Planters RM needs to be reopened and corrected to fit what WP:PLURALPT actually says. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:15, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 November 2020 

message: Should the 1980 arcade game Steel Worker not be mentioned here in some way?  It is incredibly similar. 111.106.166.232 (talk) 17:18, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are sources that deem their similarities notable enough, then maybe. Otherwise, no. – Rhain ☔ 23:40, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steel Worker? 

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message: I can't ping you as my computer can't copy and paste the characters after the numbers in your username. I refer to your edit here: . I feel like it is you who are using current citations that aren't suitable to what you are saying. 
Firstly, as per WP:LEAD, the lead is supposed to summarise the most important parts of the body of the article. Your added information isn't even mentioned at all in the body, therefore it is completely unacceptable for you to place it in the lead.
More importantly, you claim the game is "largely ignored and relatively unknown in the video game industry", yet your sources do not support this. You have two sources. Neither states the game is relatively unknown. The Super Jump source is of debated notability, and possibly cannot be used at all as it appears to fail WP:RS. I note the source is not popular enough to have even been mentioned at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources, so I've starting a conversation about it there for other editors to determine it's reliability. In any case, it only states the game is "sometimes forgotten", not "relatively unknown". The Kotaku source, which indeed is notable, only says the game "wasn’t actually as good as [they] thought it was in the first place", citing the slow gameplay. This is already covered with due weight in the reception area. Your claim that the game is "Largely ignored and relatively unknown in the video game industry" is simply not supported by your limited sources. Damien Linnane (talk) 07:51, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't noticed that the cites said that the reasons for lose of popularity at the late 90's is because this game is because it have slow pace. זור987 (talk) 07:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Largely ignored and relatively unknown in the video game industry"