Talk:ScummVM

message: I found the first paragraph a little cluttered with all those links, so I moved some information around and added a full list of supported LucasArts games.--Deadworm222 22:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved information from the first paragraph 

message: This subsection is not about ScummVM at all. If it is at all needed, it should be an infobox or other template (to be included on every engine recreation), but ideally this should be a category. Shinobu 15:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other game engine recreations 

message: Why has it been changed to the version 0.8.0? 0.9. is the latest.--Wormsie 06:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently Wikipedia switched all images to Wiki Commons, and screenshot wasn't updated there. I pointed this article to 0.9.0, however that screenshot is made with bad resolution (640x400 instead of 640x480), and I can't update the file on commons for some reason. I get '.png is not allowed format' error.--Sevua 12:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have add two screenshots of the scummvm version 0.10.0 one for the modern skin and the other for the classic skin (i apologize for my poor english)--81.42.90.18 02:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the ScummVM screenshot 

message: The GP2x has been added to the officially supported platforms. So far a preview version has been released and a forum section added. Hasn't been announced on the website front page thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.43.105.22 (talk • contribs) 10:08, 12 October 2006
:Yes, a port becomes truly official when a release with it was made. In 0.9.1 we expect to have NDS, GP2X and GP32 ports added. -Sevua 06:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GP2x official support added 

message: I've noticed that scummvm.org went down yesterday, with the downloads page going down first. I have also noticed that LucasHacks is down as well. Are you guys perparing for a new release or has Lucasarts come down on you? Any feedback would be apperciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.40.209 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 18 October 2006
: /me laughs. No. Use scummvm.sourceforge.net. It's just SF.net which broke their vhosts somehow. And visit our forums at forums.scummvm.org to make sure that the project is alive and kicking. New game support was added couple days ago.--Sevua 18:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible shutting down of the project? 

message: So recently the laundry tag was removed without any attempt at cleanup twice, and I just had a whole lot of copyediting reverted on the basis that it was "a lot clearer" previously. The previous focus on technical minutae (including the "not an emulator" gibberish which only makes sense to people who come from a console emulation background) was not at all useful.
As for the lists, either they need rewritten or they should be removed entirely. This article shouldn't be a simple bulleted reiteration of stuff from the ScummVM website. It should seek to describe the subject in a way which adds some insight into what the project is about. Describing the differences between the supported platforms and grouping them by category in prose does this. Arbitrarily-ordered lists of 10+ items doesn't. Chris Cunningham 08:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that the article is tagged, it suggests that the list of games should also be changed to prose. I strongly disagree. You said lists shouldn't be here at all, but there's a place for lists. Changing something like a list of games (or a list of compositions by an artist or a list of albums) to prose when there's no need or intention to elaborate on talk more of the individual games makes the article worse because it makes it a lot less clear. It doesn't add anything to it. It is not the job of this article to explain anything about the games, that's why the games have their own articles.--Wormsie 11:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The list of games isn't the core point of the article any more than MAME should be a list of games. Giving a bit of information on each engine supported along with some example games would be much more informative than a simple chronological ordering of them. People resort to lists for bundles of data much too readily on Wikipedia, and this article (which until recently consisted of little more than some introductory text refactored from the website and five or six different lists of games or hardware) is a prime example. People can go to the article website for that kind of trivia. This article should treat the subject as a point of academic interest. Chris Cunningham 11:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why exclude a full list of games? That'd be like saying that articles about artists shouldn't include all albums they have made or an article of a composer shouldn't include all his compositions. And what is there to be said of the individual engines? The interesting information would be from the point of ScummVM developers and what they have discovered about them, but alas, this information is not commonly known. And information on each engine should be in the articles about the engines themselves, anyway. By all means, expand the article, but there's nothing wrong with the list per se.--Wormsie 14:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a difference - we list compositions because they are written by the artist. These games were not made especially for ScummVM - and the fact that it can run them simply follows from the fact that ScummVM is a reimplementation of the game engine they run on. It would be like having an article on a musical instrument, and then listing "All songs that can be played on that instrument". I can see it reasonable to mention a few of the more well known games, but what's the point in repeating information when we could just link to the original source? This list is redundant, and has to be continually updated or become out of date. Mdwh (talk) 04:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

text: MAME is an emulator of many different arcade systems, ScummVM a reimplementation of a few engines. ScummVM is smaller in scope, and it's worth listing which game engine versions (i.e. which games) it does support and doesn't support. (And it wouldn't hurt if the MAME article mentioned which systems it can emulate.) People don't generally know if, say, Grim Fandango used Scumm or not, and just referring to "LucasArts adventure games" would be confusing.--Wormsie 14:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. A full list of games is just a huge wad of data for most people. If you look at the articles of prolific authors, they don't always include complete lists of works for precisely this reason. I'm happy for the article to document the different systems it supports, but I believe this can be done in a much better way than a chronological list of games. For now, at least the intro is okay, and we're down to three large lists rather than five. Chris Cunningham 11:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I am the one, standing behind that "gibberish" that ScummVM in not an emulator. And now you removed that sentence and wrote a paragraph with misleading explanation. That was my intention to avoid such things when I added my clause. Let me explain. ScummVM does not emulate any part of the software (in fact, there are several hardware-related emulators in it, particularly for sound chips), but it is a [i]rewrite[/i] or [i]reimplementation[/i] of original engines. That is, we obtains source code of some engine, either directly from the company, or by means of reverse engineering and then make it portable, leaving all original logic intact. What you wrote is completely wrong. So, please, express these thoughts in better words as you seem to feel more qualified for this.-- Sevua 12:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Call it what you will ("recreation", "simulation", "high-level emulation" to name three common ones), this practice is widely referred to as emulation in the general sense, so flat-out saying "it is not an emulator" presupposes that the reader takes a particular idea of what an emulator is. In this case, the article which is wikilinked makes clear that there is nuance here, and that "virtual machines", "simulators" and "compatibility layers" all emulate other systems in this sense. There's already a distinction in the new intro between what ScummVM does and full hardware emulation, and I've specifically used game engine recreation as the primary term used to refer to the app. Chris Cunningham 13:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

text: (That is the reason why I reverted the rest of the edits, as I saw them as inaccurate.)--Wormsie 14:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, Sevua, knowing you are a ScummVM developer I would see you more qualified in writing about this. :)--Wormsie 14:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro reorg / lists / general attitude towards cleanup 

message: Check out the ScummVM website. Might be added?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.184.127.235 (talk) 21:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Added. 69.177.215.119 (talk) 09:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent controversy regarding Wii software 

message: Why was the Residual (open source project) article merged into ScummVM? Residual no longer is part of ScummVM. If anything, it should be merged into GrimE, which is the engine being recreated in it. -Clone2727 (talk) 05:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Guess what, more than a decade later ScummVM and ResidualVM are officially merging (see history)! -Cardace (talk) 11:38, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Residual merge 

message: Hey guys; I realize that this isn't a FAQ thread, but I had a question that I'd like to ask. On games such as Curse of Monkey Island that have multiple discs to them, after you finish with the first disc, what do you do? When I beat the first half of COMI it asked for the second disc, I put it in, and nothing happened. Just wondering if anyone else has had this problem before. Let me know, thanks you guys! DoomedAnfauglir (talk) 03:55, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, this is really not a FAQ thread, neither it is ScummVM README where this specific topic is covered, Section 3.5 "Multi-CD games notes". Sevua (talk) 20:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple-Disc Games? 

message: ResidualVM is now merging with ScummVM for a future update of the latter, which makes me wonder if we should do the same to the two articles. This doesn't just apply to the engine itself, but also to their respective websites, including forums and wikis. Compared to ScummVM, ResidualVM also never quite thrived as a project, having been a perpetual beta, supporting only 4 games, and having a smaller dev team. My opinion is two merge these two pages, but only after the merging of the two projects has been completed. 190.193.171.57 (talk) 14:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Klbrain (talk) 15:37, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with ScummVM 

message: This tag was added by User:Thumperward seemingly without discussion back in August of this year.
Regardless, support. That section takes up about a third of the page. 2800:2161:5400:5FD:7D15:6602:2E55:AE71 (talk) 17:43, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Other question is, whether we should even keep and maintain such a list on Wikipedia. Those lists will always be out of date and missing details. It's especially futile as there are 3 sources cited that will always contain up to date lists. IMHO we should only state number of supported games, game developers, maybe a few highlighted examples. And keep the references to the maintained lists outside of WP. –  K4rolB (talk) 16:48, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much this. We're not a catalog, though keeping the list of game engines/developers that SCUMMVM supports is fair. I am pretty sure there's an "official" compatibility list at the project page that can go in the EL area. --Masem (t) 16:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split into [[List of games supported by ScummVM]] 

message: It's no longer an official site, but the old domain name goes to a spam site. I removed it from that section. (I accidentally used WP:BLACKLIST in my edit but should've mentioned WP:LINKSTOAVOID.) I'll try to ask ResidualVM (ScummVM) stakeholders about that website. 104.158.57.98 (talk) 00:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  ResidualVM website