Talk:Black Liberation Army

message: Murdering cops was standard practice of the BLA, a racist organization.  There is no reason that those activities should not be posted on the page.
The dead officers had families.  I bet the children of those dead officers would like them to be around today.  Have some respect for the men who protect you everyday from criminals and post their names so no one ever forgets that the BLA murdered police officers and left their children to grow up with no fathers.
:This is no place for a memorial. How about we put up a list of  1000s of folk murdered by the LAPD on the LAPD article?? -- max rspct leave a message  18:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, kid yourself if you like. -- max rspct leave a message  10:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: 'Policebeat' link bias websource. I'm afraid your edits read like an obituary. Portraying the BLA as simply  murderers ignores the reality of them being armed insurgents (whether folk agree with them or not). And Feds and police engaging with them historically on the same ground. -- max rspct leave a message  19:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Max, I agree that this article needs to avoid reading like an emotion-drenched obituary; however, it would seem appropriate to include some mention of Kamau Sadiki. There are plenty of other sources on the case beyond 'Policebeat'. Do you object to any inclusion of his story or are you merely objecting to the POV form that such an inclusion has taken? - N1h1l 20:08, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, how about rewording what I wrote, rather than simply reverting it without raising the question here? It is a fact that Greene was murdered in 1971 by BLA activists just as I described. If you think my wording is biased, then change it, don't just delete it. Another more offical source for the incident includes a press release from the Fulton Co Distrct Attorney . Is this acceptable to you?--Jackyd101 20:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Mention the police catching up with suspect and conviction is fine.. but to go into detail POV style would make article unbalanced. Police articles can be linked at bottom but please don't lift from them -- max rspct leave a message  20:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I take it from this statement that you have no objection to me restoring what I wrote (with the word murder substituted for kill?), and the link changed to the District Attorney's office release? Next time, if you have a problem with something written, then just change the parts you consider to be POV, don't revert the whole thing--Jackyd101 20:59, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Well don't turn article into platform then.. We don't need to read canonisation or how innocent cops were (pov) - portrayal/sequences of events is difficult to reasonably verify and I'm not sure any purported detail of why they were pulled over, items taken from body pointing to.. etc, should be on here. -- max rspct leave a message  21:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that many of these things are hard to verify, but the removal of the weapon and badge from the body are significant, because they indicate the murder was committed as a way of gaining status (why else steal a badge?). I didn't say anything about "innocent cops", and I wasn't canonising him, simply reporting an event. I accept that the section could be tided up, and I did so, but your attitude about this has been pretty childish. There was nothing stopping you from performing those edits yourself, or even describing the problems you thought there were with the passage here, rather than instantly reverting what was a legitimate piece of information.--Jackyd101 21:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The problem here is that this incident does not have a neutral website that can be reported from. All the websites on-line are either from police sources, or from Black Nationalist supporters of the BLA. This makes it very difficult to base what one writes here solely on a neutral outside article, and the avaliable police articles seemed less rabidly POV than those of the BN. Wikipedia, as you know, strives to be neutral, and my inital effort clearly failed, as we saw. So I have re-written it, hoping that it will be more acceptable. However, I have not personally attacked you. My comments here are all signed by me, and none of them contain a personal attack, with the exception of when I called you childish, which wasn't an idle insult, but a comment on your behaviour, for which I explained my reasons at the time. --Jackyd101 21:56, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: What about the Foster and Laurie killings? FYI, there's a school named after Laurie.Gregory Heffley (talk) 19:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder of Police Officers 

message: Does anyone have a citation to back up the claim that Cleaver founded the BLA? 
Well, it appears that Cleaver did not "found" the BLA. This may have been a myth that developed at some point during the schism that saw the BPP break into two separate factions. The Cleaver-led faction joined members of the Black Panther Party who had been involved in illegal, underground activities since the beginning of the BPP (if not before as suggested by Umoja below). 
The following articles are about the BLA and would add to the veracity of this article. 
Umoja article:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0415927846&id=KFk4bHPFN5AC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&q=movement+concept&vq=movement+concept&dq=black+panther+party&sig=8jyiv03eDG7hXedKpg4SbaLh1pU
Shoats article:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0415927846&id=KFk4bHPFN5AC&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&q=shoats&vq=shoats&dq=black+panther+party&sig=ZZFRTpNHpjZ3ZtdHX93_q5YvRcY
:Le Monde Diplomatique has article (subscription needed.. but google has full article cached) stating 'some supporters' of Cleaver. I have reworded the start as necc. 
Quote: "The quarrels and dissention fomented by Cointelpro within the BPP exacerbated internal differences arising from political confrontation between the party’s “minister of defence”, Huey Newton, and its “minister of information”, Eldridge Cleaver, who ran the international section from exile in Algiers (10). At the end of 1970 black activists were divided among themselves and had less support from the white liberal left, which also suffered attacks from Cointelpro. They took to murdering each other. At that point some of Cleaver’s supporters founded the clandestine Black Liberation Army (BLA). " max rspct leave a message  19:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Formation of BLA

message: I have attempted to clean this article up and organize it in a more logical manner. It could still use a lot of work; however, information on the BLA is not as easy to find as one might hope.
I have replaced the huge reprint of the Justice Department Report on BLA Activity with the following text "According to a Justice Department report on BLA activity, the Black Liberation Army was suspected of involvement in over 60 incidents of violence between 1970 and 1976.  The Fraternal Order of Police blames the BLA for the murders of more than 10 police officers. ". Anyone who wants to see the full list can follow the links. Is that agreeable to evereyone? - Nihila 18:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Cleanup 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:BLA logo.jpg

message: This is a shaky article at best overall.  However, as I linked to it from the page on Assata Shakur, I would note that the way in which her case summary is worded in this article differs to a great degree from the (extensively documented) account in her article.  In the interest of consistency, I would advocate rewriting this section to reflect the multiple expert opinions that Assata did not open fire on police.
On the other hand, this small section pales in comparison.  This is a poorly written, poorly documented article.  A good candidate for a complete re-write incorporating any of multiple scholarly works on the history of the organization: http://books.google.com/books?q=black+liberation+army  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.158.34.84 (talk) 17:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Expert" opinions don't mean much of anything when the so-called "experts" weren't on scene at the time of the incident.  Equinox137 (talk) 00:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assata Shakur 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello, I have added that the group was a domestic terrorist group due to the tactics that they used. Terrorists are defined as people who "use(s) unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. Though the BLA primarily targeted police officers, police officers are considered to be civilians. Additionally, they used tactics such as robbing banks and hijacking civilian aircraft. Any objections? If so, please explain. History Man1812 (talk) 20:04, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The objections are WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV and MOS:TERRORIST. FDW777 (talk) 20:59, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Domestic Terrorist Organization

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