Talk:Mjolnir (comics)

message: Just an FYI.
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 20:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I remember in Hulk vs. Thor Hulk lifts Mjölnir. So this is not the ultimate universe but the animated one. Though I don't know whether it counts.--BECK's 13:37, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't recall that in the movie, but regardless its non-canonical.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The Hulk can lift the hammer

message: Why isn't Hercules listed under wielders? Is he not allowed or something?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.238.78.170 (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ultimate Universe Mjolnir is not the same item as the 'classic' one.Lots42 (talk) 21:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's long-documented canon that Supe's powers are ineffective against magic. 
Superman "lifted" the hammer in mid-throw just like Eric Masterson did. It's CLEAR that BOTH Superman AND ERIC MASTERSON GRIPPED the hammer as Thor threw/tossed it. Superman has a STRONG weakness against MAGIC, which Thor's hammer is purely consist of throughly! Superman CANNOT lifted Thor's jock strap if even ODIN made him able to because he will NEVER be as THOROUGH as THE-MIGHTY-THOR! I know Wonder Woman can lift Mjolnir waaaaaaaaaaaay before an over powered farm boy can!!!!!!!!!!!ROOKIES!?!
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Applejuicefool 13:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Most definitely true. As a matter of fact, Thor himself could not lift The Hammer once The Hammer decided he was unworthy. Thor v2 Iss 67. ROBERTMFROMLI TALK/CNTRB 18:30, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wielder 

message: The subject of DC superheroes lifting Mjolnir is on shakey ground, as these issues are not considered canon by both publishers. DC occasionally persists the storyline, Marvel does not. 
AlGorup 14:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Marvel has accepted JLA/Avengers as part of its continuity. It just doesn't mention the DC characters by name. See the Grandmaster's entry in the latest OHOTMU. -Wilfredo Martinez 19:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is, at best, a tenuous connection.  The cross over is not canon in the MU.  Further, the only time it has been mentioned in the DCU is by the same writer who wrote the crossover.  It isn't canon.  Lochdale 03:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Other than your speaking to editors at both companies which, let's be honest, is very hard to verify, the Avengers/JLA cross over is not canon in the MU.  Again, other than an obscure reference in a MU handbook (which as we have seen are unreliable) there is no mention of the crossover whatsoever.  It just isn't canon.  That said, I believe GentlemanGhost makes a good point and I too would ask for a citation.  Lochdale 05:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Which was written by the same writer who wrote the crossover.  It is not canon in the Marvel Universe thus it is not canon for purposes of the MU.  Again, please provide a cite that suggests otherwise.  Lochdale 03:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some dorkmonkey in a blue costume calling himself Access teleports himself into Jade's house in the pages of regular Green Lantern. So it's canon DCU has a teleporting dude who looks like Access. Just an FYI. That's all. Lots42 04:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DC lifters 

message: Should the events described in the last Ragnarok storline be taken so literal?  It implies that the Asgardians have been around since the dinosaurs and if a star was destroyed then wouldn't it have destroyed Earth's sun?  Since gods have a tendence to exaggerate things shoudn't this be clarified more?
I agree. The history is difficult to piece together, as my readings of the comic is incomplete. How could Loki sabotage the construction of the hammer when Odin used it to slay his father? I always assumed that there was no contact between Loki and Odin/Thor prior to his adoption. So how could he sabotage the creation of an object that he didn't know exists?
AlGorup 13:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mijollnir's forging

message: For several days now this page keeps shifting between two different pages.  Can a single page be agreed upon or aspects of the two pages be merged?
A certain user - to judge from his talk page - seems to resent any changes to pages he feels he has juristiction over. This is a fallacy and also smacks of pettiness. Images can be changed and text can be made more succinct, as is the case here. There is nothing wrong with this.
Asgardian 03:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop with the Yo-yo

message: I've tried adapting the best of both pages.  The history given in the Ragnarok storline cannot be accuret if you take into account that the only gods to exist at the time of the dinosaurs were the Elder gods like Chthon and Gaea.  They also pointed out in that story that Odin made the Earth and humanity, but since other gods exist like Zeus that story isn't necessarily true.  Also, since there have been multiple Ragnaroks it is unknown if only one Mjolnir surivive all of them or if a new one was made each time.  I have eliminated much of the repitition and included both images to try and satisfy both of you, Asgardian and CovenantD.  Also, this article is not about Ultimate Thor's hammer which for all we know has no worthiness enchantment.  That has not been stated one way or the other.  It could just be really heavy requiring enough physical strength to lift it.  Asgardian has documented many of the changes he made and things like Perrikus destroying it are FACT.  Therefore, it deserves mention just as much as any other time Mjolnir has been destroyed.  The extra information CovenantD give on the various enchantments give a reader addiontional information and clarrification about each enchantment the reader might be interested in.  It is still divided up into the six enchantments making it easy to read.  Wikipedia is meant for everyone, so since all the facts are true try to compromise.
Some of the storylines directly contradict one another, particularly as you pointed out the part about Odin creating Earth and humanity and all that. It's not accurate at all. www.marvunapp.com Try going to that site, they have profiles about many of the lesser known and/or rarely used characters in the Marvel Universe, including a lot of information regarding many of the Elder Gods. It might be able to help sort out some of the confusion regarding some of these storylines. There are profiles on the Midgard Serpent, Set, Chthon, etc. Odin's Beard 02:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page changes

message: Most of this is already present in the updated version:
In pre-recorded Asgardian history, Odin ordered the dwarven blacksmiths Eitri, Brok, and Buri to forge Mjolnir. (Eitri is already mentioned) They used the core of a star and a forge enchanted by Odin to craft the weapon. The forging process was so intense, it destroyed the star and nearly Earth itself (subsequently implying that this event triggered the extinction of Earth's dinosaurs, but several events have been stated to be the cause of this). (In Marvel history Set caused the extinction of the dinosaurs - see Atum)
--Both stories have some legitimancy since both have been mentioned.  We don't know how much of it is tur5e which is why I have clarrified that several events have been stated to be the source of this.  Seekquaze
Afterwards, Odin imbued Mjolnir with several self-sustaining enchantments (as detailed below). (In later section) For a brief time, Odin used Mjolnir. One such instance was in a lethal fight with Laufey, a frost giant. After Laufey's death, Odin decided to adopt his orphaned son, Loki. (Not really relevant - mentioned that Odin used hammer)
--The enchantment part just lets people know what Odin did to it.  The later part goes into detail.  It is relevant how Odin used it because if he used it to kill Loki's father when Loki was just a child then Loki could not have interfered with its making.  Seekquaze
Eventually, Odin laid Mjolnir to rest until its rightful owner, Thor, proved himself worthy of carrying it. Towards that end, Odin subjected Thor to numerous trials and tribulations, in an effort for Thor to develop into a person noble enough to wield Mjolnir. Thor used to measure his progress by seeing how high he can lift the mallet. This is the only occurrence of anyone partially wielding Mjolnir. (Powers and Abilities)
--Does not fall under powers and abilities.  Seekquaze
Mjolnir's forge was lost for a period of time. Loki found it and used it to construct Uru weapons to challenge Thor's rule of Asgard, subsequently triggering the events leading to Ragnarok.  (Mentioned in last section with reference)
=== Which History? ===
Can either or both of the histories be found in an issue of the comic? Anything from real mythology should be in the main Mjolnir article and not here unless it's from a comic. Grey Shadow 11:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first history about the star, dinosaurs, etc. if found in teh issue I have cited.  The other one I have been told appears in Thor annual #11, but since I don't have the issue I don't want to cite it in case I might be wrong.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seekquaze (talk • contribs) 06:14, 30 October 2006  (UTC)
Correct. It happens in Thor Annual #11 - http://www.immortalthor.net/
Loki cuts off Sif's hair etc etc. As I said, if you can find a reference for the other version, we'll keep it. Regards
Asgardian 00:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I did reference the other version.  It is in Thor vol. 2 #80. Seekquaze
Yes...that's the forges...but not the actual myth...
Asgardian 05:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It references both.  It states a that when the forge was used a star was destroyed and the dinosaurs became exinct.  It then shows Odin using it.  Seekquaze
The Marvel Handbook reference is fact. Mjolnir's measurements, unlike characters and whole stories, have never been changed. Besides, the argument for omission of any Handbook material is pretty weak.
Asgardian 02:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Copyright is a very big argument.  Grey Shadow | Talk 03:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: By now, you've probably already seen this, but just in case, the reasoning behind this is presented here. --GentlemanGhost 18:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate History 

message: Can either or both of the histories be found in an issue of the comic? Anything from real mythology should be in the main Mjolnir article and not here unless it's from a comic. Grey Shadow 11:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first history about the star, dinosaurs, etc. if found in teh issue I have cited.  The other one I have been told appears in Thor annual #11, but since I don't have the issue I don't want to cite it in case I might be wrong.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seekquaze (talk • contribs) 06:14, 30 October 2006  (UTC)
Correct. It happens in Thor Annual #11 - http://www.immortalthor.net/
Loki cuts off Sif's hair etc etc. As I said, if you can find a reference for the other version, we'll keep it. Regards
Asgardian 00:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I did reference the other version.  It is in Thor vol. 2 #80. Seekquaze
Yes...that's the forges...but not the actual myth...
Asgardian 05:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It references both.  It states a that when the forge was used a star was destroyed and the dinosaurs became exinct.  It then shows Odin using it.  Seekquaze
The Marvel Handbook reference is fact. Mjolnir's measurements, unlike characters and whole stories, have never been changed. Besides, the argument for omission of any Handbook material is pretty weak.
Asgardian 02:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Copyright is a very big argument.  Grey Shadow | Talk 03:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: By now, you've probably already seen this, but just in case, the reasoning behind this is presented here. --GentlemanGhost 18:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which History? 

message: I took out the mention of Earth-616 from the lead section because it's not meaningful to someone unfamiliar with the subject (i.e., too in-universe). Also, its not discussed anywhere else within the article. If it is necessary to differentiate Earth-616 from the other realities within the Marvel Universe, I feel this should be done within the body of the article. --GentlemanGhost 22:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: Why note who can and can't survive a hammer blow?  For example, the Hulk can survive a hit but like Superman, Thor doesn't always go all out which is why Thor can fight villans such as El Toro and kill him outright.  Specific references are not needed.  Lochdale 05:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that it is necessary to list every single example of this, but I do think giving some examples can be useful in understanding how the weapon is portrayed within this fictional milieu. As for specific references, citations are usually only required in situations where there is controversy. However, in the case of comics, where much of the information is gleaned from a primary source that is published periodically, it is very useful to provide references to specific issue numbers. --GentlemanGhost 21:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do see your point but it's very much like the "class 100" distinction insofar as it is very subjective.  For example, Thor has knocked the Silver Surfer out before with a hammer blow and the Surfer has survived many other attacks.  Which one counts?  Should we not say perhaps that it takes a being similar or greater to Thor's power level to withstand an attack?  Lochdale 05:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary info 

message: Both JLA/Avengers and DC Vs. Marvel are canon. 1. Anything dealing with Access is considered canon to both universes. 2. JLA/Avengers is canon - as is the Cosmic Egg. Read the JLA/Avengers supplement. JAF1970 01:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to this, the mentio of using Mjolnir as a powersource has been placed where it belongs, in the rarely seen Abilities section. It is not, however, one of Odin's enchantments. 
Finally, two images is sufficient. Any more is clutter, and as indicated this is not a fan site.
Asgardian 10:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Canon

message: Would cameos be noteable? Mjolnir as appeared in the Tellos one shot 'The Last Heist'. (Pretty sure it's the hammer, Alan Scott's lantern is one page before...). Lots42 (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cameos? 

message: In one incident Thor's hammer is possessed, even going so far as to almost kill a radio D.J. In another, it's seperated from Thor, landing in Nebraska. Thousands line up to lift it, failing of course (but benefitting a clever, nearby doctor specializing in hernias). A millitary base is built over the hammer, then Doctor Doom himself attacks, killing many innocent soldiers in an effort to claim it. In conclusion, when does an event become noteable re: the hammer, seperate from Thor the entity? (Cap once sacrificed his shield in order to save a sailor's life; this is note on the shield page if I recall correctly). Lots42 (talk) 20:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How seperate is Mjolnir from Thor Wiki-wise? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Thor-494.jpg

message: I'm pretty sure I saw, out this month on the shelves in 7-11, an issue of the alternate reality series 'Marvel Adventures' with the cover showing Spider-man weilding the hammer. That was a long sentence. Lots42 (talk) 11:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spiderman 

message: The argument for/against these debated here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Melter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ego_the_Living_Planet
A consensus showed they cannot really apply to most comic-related articles.
Asgardian (talk) 05:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Those discussions are huge. What is a 'third party tag' and how does it apply to this article? Lots42 (talk) 09:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It just means that articles should have references that aren't directed related to them. So the comic books are primary sources and we need to add some secondary sources - so interviews in books, articles at newsarama, that's it. Leaving aside Asgardian's frankly odd reading of those AFDs, it's just a standard use of a clean-up tag. --Cameron Scott (talk) 10:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Party tags 

message: There's no reason to be swearing and so angry in the edit summaries, people. Either a character weilded Earth 616 Mjolnir or he (or she) didn't. Lots42 (talk) 10:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weilders 

message: First off, to my knowledge Hercules has never wielded Mjolnir.   In Civil War it was a fake.  A technological copy created by Stark and Richards nothing more.  If you know of an instance where Hercules wielded the real one name the issue. If you do not know the issue name the instance and overall storyline.  There are resources on the Internet where the issue number can be found.  If you can't name either of the two please stop changing it because there is no evidence Hercules ever wielded it.
Red Hulk-Technically he did not wield it the same way the others did by proving himself worthy.  Loeb used shoddy reasoning to get around it.  There have been numerous discussions on the problems with getting Thor up into space with it.  So RHulk does not make the list.  Not because the comic was sloppily written, but because he did not pass the worthiness test like the others.
Green Hulk has never wielded it.  Ultimate Thor's hammer (hammers?) is different and has no such enchantment.  The only time Green Hulk has lifted classic Mjolnir is when Thor has had all of the enchantments removed from it.  
Superman technically did lift it, but the wording by Thor after words was somewhat ambigious.  He seemed to be implying that due to emergence circumstances Superman was able to lift it once but not later unlike other characters like Beta Ray Bill that could wield it at any time.  Nevertheless, he did wield it and get its power, so since the list is not going into specifics I think he makes it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.31.67.124 (talk) 02:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Note on weilders-Hercules, Red Hulk, and Superman 

message: There's some special HTML we can use so when someone opens up the weilders section to edit, they -could- see a warning not to add 'Hulk'. We need to put such text in and I do not know how. Lots42 (talk) 05:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, what about that what-if issue where Rogue and Captain America's daughter was given the hammer by Thor, after she lifted it? Lots42 (talk) 04:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Weilders 

message: A piece of Mjolnir ended up causing the creation of Inferno (Joseph Conroy). We should somehow note that the hammer was messed up in the first place and then repaired at the steel mill and a flake left behind. Not sure where I could insert this info. Lots42 (talk) 09:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pieces 

message: Now, from a cursory look, it seems like merging this into Thor (Marvel Comics) is not a good idea, due to page size concerns. However, if you take a deeper look, you'll notice independent notability for the article subject has not been established in the article, and the prose is primarily in-universe detail that cites fictional stories as sources. Basically, most of the article is junk, and that won't do. Once you strip away all the in-story details, you're left with little, if anything at all, to warrant a separate article. What this article needs if it is to stay a separate page is information from reliable secondary sources establishing its notability, as well as elimination of in-universe fancruft. Otherwise, might as well merge what useful information remains after a severe culling into the Thor article. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, I compared article sizes. The Thor page is about 31kb, and this page is about 12kb. There is really is no reason they should be separate under article size considerations. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is just fine this article exists seperately. Thor's hammer is a very unique object in the Marvel Universe. Very few can even -lift- the darned thing in the first place and dozens and dozens have tried. It has unique abillities, has been possessed, lost, damaged, duplicated, turned into a stick, turned into nothingness... Lots42 (talk) 11:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That does not solve the problem of real-world notability. What happens in the stories is irrelevant if no secondary, third-party sources discuss the article subject. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Against.The articles are fine on their own and would not benefit from being merged together. -TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

text: most of the article is junk, and that won't do. is very inflammatory. I can have a look, and tidy it up as out of universe is in vogue, but it should stay separate, just as the Media section is. As for notability, that battle's been fought already. We do the best we can with the articles, but don't go down that road as by that logic there would be no articles. Keep as is. Asgardian (talk) 03:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how my statement is inflammatory; it's not like it was a personal attack. My comments have to do with some very valid concerns i have with the article content. The article does fail to meet several guidelines, and it's bogged down by excessive in-story details. if the article's notability has been established by past discussions, then why is there no establishment of this in the article itself? Simply existing does not tell anyone why it's important from an objective viewpoint based on reliable third-party sources. Most of the article's content can be removed by any editor passing by, due to lack of secondary sources. That's how bad a shape this page is in. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: ref>Marvel Comics Encyclopedia: The Complete Guide to the Characters of the Marvel Universe (2008), page #24. Published by DK Publishing. </ref - With the appropiate HTML, a good ref for this page. Lots42 (talk) 04:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ref

message: Marvel Zombies universe - Thor wasn't weilding his hammer. Obviously eating people made him not worthy. Is there a Mjolnir hanging around the M.Z. universe? I know there's a few humans on the M.Z. earth should be worthy of weilding it... Anywho, Marvel 2099. Many of the characters worshipped Thor and wore imagery of his hammer. Did the real hammer show up? I know a sci-fi copy did... Lots42 (talk) 09:38, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other hammers? 

message: Is it really to be spelled Mjolnir or rather Mjölnir like the mythological original?--BECK's 15:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The comics have historically not used the closer-to-Norse spellings, so no umlaut. - J Greb (talk) 21:51, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the clarification.--BECK's 21:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling Mjolnir vs. Mj'''ö'''lnir 

message: I disagree with the use of the term "created by" when describing the comic origins of the hammer. It is more like they incorporated the existing mythology into the Marvel Universe. 98.176.33.221 (talk) 04:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The same wording is used in the Thor (Marvel Comics) article. In both cases, other sentences within the lead section clarify that Stan Lee, et. al., were creating a representation of the Norse myth. As currently written, I think that it is clear enough to show that the concepts pre-date the comics. However, if you think you can tighten up the phrasing, be my guest. :-) --GentlemanGhost (converse) 19:51, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Created by" Stan Lee, et al? 

message: I don't have an issue reference, but one of Planetary's issues (in the second trade paperback collection) features a mysterious hammer that takes the innocuous form of a gnarled walking stick... familiar much? Maybe someone can work it into this article. Samf-nz (talk) 07:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Planetary references a LOT of other comics. Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Superman...just saying is all. Lots42 (talk) 13:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Mjolnir expy in Planetary

message: She never at any point did. She lifted Loki's fake hammer.
Closest thing she does to lifting it is directing Thor's arm while in a trance and not acting as Storm.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107222/3971372-stormthor_zps22ec51f0.jpg
If we have her listed we have to list Thunderbolt Ross (Rulk) for having lifted Mjonir too.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivory Ebony (talk • contribs) 03:53, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Storm listed as someone who can lift Mjonir? 

message: I noticed vision on the wielder's list.  If the Red Hulk is not included because he found a loophole in the enchantment, Shouldn't Vision be excluded in the MCU for the same reason?  clearly the MCU has it's own rules and loopholes.
I'm pretty sure the "elevator is not worthy" is supposed to point our that Vision didn't necessarily prove his worthiness by picking up the hammer...
and to paraphrase https://www.quora.com/SPOILER-ALERT-Why-was-Vision-able-to-lift-Thors-hammer-in-Avengers-Age-of-Ultron article,
vision didn't exactly go all glowy and electricy or gain more strength than before he wielded the hammer.
BlueArcher (talk) 00:45, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vision? 

message: I note that Hela is listed as a wielder of Mjolnir within the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the source provided for this claim is Thor: Ragnarok. In that movie, however, Hela never actually wields the weapon – she is merely shown as grasping the weapon, which struggles in her hand as Thor maintains control of it. For this reason, I'm of the opinion that she should be removed from the list. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:23, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Since nobody has objected to my proposed change after seven days, I'm going to go ahead an action now. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Hela (MCU)

message: The "In other realities" section of the wielders section is poorly formatted and lacks citations, besides a haphazard link at the bottom. Should be rewritten or removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.88.164.147 (talk) 23:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wielders section 

message: Moon knight could also call on and wield Mjolnir also correct? It was supposed to be made of moon rock. 71.85.131.207 (talk) 23:34, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moon knight