Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League/Archive 2

message: My original Al Davis page never gave his birthplace.  That "gross error" must have been added by a later editor.  I regretully accept the decision of the "board" about deleting the American Football League Hall of Fame page, but its' premise was never that the "pro football hall of fame" didn't have former AFL players: the point is that outstanding former AFL players are grossly under-represented in the "pro football hall of fame".  The AFL website gives detailed evidence and reasons for that under-represenation, and hence the evolution of the American Football League Hall of Fame. 
RemembertheAFL 19 August 2005
*As the person who nominated the article for deletion, I will say for the record that I very much enjoy your website.  However, I didn't feel it was appropriate for a Wikipedia article.  I am also a fan of the AFL and have made an effort to improve the articles on Wikipedia relating to the league and its players.  --Cholmes75 15:25, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gross Errors 

message: Someone who is good with infoboxes should alter it so that the link to the AFC points to the right pages.  The actual AFC article is a disambiguation page.  --Cholmes75 21:11, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NFL team infobox 

message: Someone recently created Horse-collar tackle (aka the "Roy Williams" rule).
Is it really encyclopedic? None of the other rules in National_Football_League#Rules_named_after_players have articles.
Al 12:35, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for individual rules 

message: I noticed that a couple of Super Bowl articles have images of those specific games' ticket and rings that are originally posted at http://www.superbowl.com/history/rings. The question is: Should we eventually have them on all of the Super Bowl articles (which might possibly happen in the near future anyway as more users come and edit those articles)? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Images of Super Bowl tickets and rings

message: I noticed that New England Patriots is getting very long. Thus, I am considering separating the history section into a new page called History of the New England Patriots. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:15, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has been split, and I'm current working on citations, prose, and whatnot to get the main article to FA status. Deckiller 01:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Putting Patriots history into separate article 

message: Would anyone here be interested in having a American Football COTW. There is already a Cricket, and Soccer COTW. Falphin 20:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NFL COTW

message: I borrowed the new template for current rosters from the NHL team pages and adapted it for the NFL.  I started with my team, the Raiders.  I haven't added all the players, but the basic template is at Template:Oakland Raiders.  I think this would look much better than the straight text lists being used for each team.  Let me know what you all think.  Just an FYI - I listed the players in order of jersey number, but alphabetically by last name is fine.  We just need to be consistent.  --Cholmes75 20:55, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New roster templates 

message: Does anyone favor something like this:
Year 	Team                	G  	Gs 	Att 	Comp	Pct 	Yards	TD 	Int	Rate
1993 	Green Bay Packers   	0  	0  	0   	0   	N/A 	0    	0  	0  	N/A
1994 	Green Bay Packers   	2  	0  	27  	12  	44.4	95   	0  	0  	53.8
1995 	Jacksonville Jaguars	13 	10 	346 	201 	58.1	2168 	15 	7  	82.6
1996 	Jacksonville Jaguars	16 	16 	557 	353 	63.4	4367 	19 	20 	84.0
1997 	Jacksonville Jaguars	14 	14 	435 	264 	60.7	3281 	18 	7  	91.2
1998 	Jacksonville Jaguars	13 	13 	354 	208 	58.8	2601 	20 	9  	89.9
1999 	Jacksonville Jaguars	15 	15 	441 	259 	58.7	3060 	14 	9  	82.0
2000 	Jacksonville Jaguars	16 	16 	512 	311 	60.7	3640 	20 	14 	84.0
2001 	Jacksonville Jaguars	15 	15 	473 	289 	61.1	3309 	19 	13 	84.1
2002 	Jacksonville Jaguars	5  	15 	416 	245 	58.9	2788 	17 	7  	85.7
2003 	Jacksonville Jaguars	3  	3  	82  	54  	65.9	484  	2  	0  	89.7
2004 	Washington Redskins 	9  	9  	237 	118 	49.8	1194 	7  	6  	63.9
Total	                    	131	126	3880	2314	59.6	26987	151	92 	83.9
Stats for Mark Brunell and from nfl.com. I might make a template out of it if some people think its alright. Its far less difficult to edit than the other one IMO. Jobe6  06:17, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
*It looks nice, but way too much info.  --Cholmes75 21:46, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More Career Statistics

message: Did you guys consider / find interest in a similar project for American football generally?  I've been poking through, and the state of a lot of the technical articles seems pretty bad, so I'm considering looking at firing up a project along those lines.  If you've got any thoughts or input towards that, that'd be great (I've noted some of my thoughts on specifics in my user space).  — Lomn | Talk / RfC 03:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: American football (generic)

message: I'm guessing that most of the talk page was archived, but where is it? --Sophitus 16:06, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
*I guess I have to make the link to it more prominent. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:24, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk Archive

message: Not really the purview of this project, but since there's a good collection of fans in here, I'm looking for input.  At Talk:Fumble I've brought up the problems I'm having finding good terminology for distinguishing the endzones, and I'd appreciate any thoughts and suggestions you guys have.  — Lomn | Talk / RfC 20:25, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Endzone terminology

message: Does anyone know if the Browns are still using their "B" logo as their alternate logo? The Dawg Pound logo? Or any other alternate logo? If not, I am thinking about changing the infobox so that part does not show up on that page. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:14, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On NFL and on the Browns' website, there are no logos of any kind.  They simply use a brown helmet (it looks orange to me). Kainaw 20:22, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In the newspaper in the Washington Post each team had their logo in a little cirlce and the Browns' logo was just an orange circle. Jobe6  01:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Browns alternate logo 

message: Would this work? User:Jobe6/sandbox2 JobE6  16:01, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NFL stub

message: Could we have people "adopt" or claim teams in order to avoid duplicates being made? JobE6  13:12, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Roster Templates

message: I'm putting the project tag on almost every NFL related article on the assumption that it will be helpful in getting more people willing to work on this project (I myself was recruited through the article on the Pats).  If this is a gratutitous amount of tagging, tell me and I'll change it.  I'm not sure if it's appropriate or not, but I'll go ahead and do it and if I'm wrong, I'll go back and change it.  That last sentence was like a carbon copy of the preceding one.
*So now its on the league page as well as both conferences and all divisions.  Partway through it occured to me: could someone make a bot to add the project tag to anything in an NFL related category?  I'm not positive exactly how bots work, but this seemed like pretty mundane work that pretty much was edit page, paste the template, and enter "added proj tag" in summary.  is that possible / worth the effort of making a bot?  Is this venture even useful?jfg284 15:34, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Project Tag

message: I nominated List of NFL champions for peer review, see Wikipedia:Peer_review/List_of_NFL_champions to leave comments.  Looked good to me, comprable to the featured article of List of Super Bowl champions, and i figured it was worth a peer review, at least.  Could be im jumping in doing really stupid, easy, small tasks with this project (see idiocy above) that have already been done / considered / rejected and whatnot, but im just going ahead and being bold like i was told to.  jfg284 21:49, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why i was bold enough to use peer review instead of going ahead and nominating it...i was following the policy set forth on the featured articles page.  I was unaware of a seperate featured lists page.
**Oh, and you may continue to improve that page when it is on peer review, using the Wikipedia:What is a featured list criterion. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:42, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nominated for Peer Review

message: List looked good to me, listing on peer review got two comments, one saying it looked good and one saying to change some of the images.  I personally disagreed with the image comment, but if it becomes a problem during the FLC phase, its an easy fix.  In any case, List of NFL champions is now a featured list candidate.
 List of NFL champions is now a featured list.
jfg284 20:45, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 
Nominated for 
FLC