Talk:United Empire Loyalist

message: This could use some cleanup IMO. It is very pro-British/Canadian; such comments as the part of the Empire that Britain "happily retained" reflect only one side; many Americans were vastly disturbed by this (and the War of 1812 was a partial result). I don't really want to see this tagged right now, but it needs cleanup, which I think would be better done by a fair-minded Canadian most likely. Rlquall 02:45, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: untitled

message: Were they forced to leave the USA, or did they choose to out of opposition to the new country? Jeff Worthington 16:39, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: no they were NOT murdered and 80% chose to stay in the US and become US citizens
those who left were mostly in the British Army or government Rjensen (talk) 05:05, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Forced to leave'? 

message: The title 'U.E.' is not the only hereditary title in Canada. There are a few members of the nobility including the Baron de Longueuil & Lord Thomson of Fleet, plus a few Baronets as well. - (Aidan Work 01:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: U.E. is not the only hereditary title in Canada

message: Should we merge this with Loyalist (American Revolution)? I'm finding difficulty seeing much material here that wouldn't be equally relevant there, and as people add more material there's a constant likelihood of duplication. What do you think? QuartierLatin1968
:I don't think so. While there would be a lot of overlap between the articles, the UELs played major roles in Canadian history for many years after their arrival that had nothing to do with the American Revolution. The Loyalist (American Revolution) article should be about the Loyalist in the States up to the end of the Revolution, whereas this article should be about the Loyalist in Canada up to and including this century. --Arctic Gnome 16:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge to?

message: There's a distinct difference between a "title granted to a Canadian" and a "Canadian hereditary title". I'm not sure how to phrase this properly...maybe someone else can jump in. --chaleur
 23:04, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title granted vs. hereditary title

message: I believe it should be made mention of Loyalist Township (outside of Kingston.)
The township plays host to several key UEL historical significants and as well hosts the gates of the Loyalist Parkway
Does anyone else believe we should include this?
Thanks, --Aleeproject 23:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely; sounds great! QuartierLatin1968  17:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loyalist Township 

message: Removed the dubious "legal" opinion regarding the use of the post-nominal letters U.E., since the writer based their judgement (that use of UE outside of Quebec is invalid, since Lord Dorchester was only Governor of Quebec). In fact, Lord Dorchester also served as Governor General of British North America, in which role he would have been acting in a vice-regal capacity for all of the colonies in what is now Canada.
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The United Empire Loyalists, in many respects were the "Pilgrims" of Canada. The UEL were certainly not the first peoples to arrive in British North America (today's Canada), but they were important founding peoples. They escaped the American colonies in the tens of thousands, taking with them precious little of their possessions. (They left their homes and businesses, and received no compensation.) Small wonder that in 1812, these UEL and their descendants, along with other Canadian settlers and native Indians, chose to remain loyal to the British Crown and defend against the numerically superior American forces. At the end of the American Revolution, in the U.S.A, the UEL may have been considered traitors, but north of the border they were considered British patriots. Que-Can 04:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lord Dorchester 

message: This article needs to be heavily revised. A lot of point of view, several un-sourced statistics and factual claims, and it's just in general not up to quality standards expected of wiki articles. 72.78.237.124 (talk) 14:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV, Lacking Sources

message: Both of the pages United Empire Loyalist and The Loyalists of North America seem to cover the exact same topic. Del♉sion23 (talk) 13:24, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If this could be done without very much change to the topic, that would be fine — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoJaEpp (talk • contribs) 04:33, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

text: This is a duplication of topic, and is thus WP:CSD A10 qualified. There doesn't seem to be any new information either. I'ven't seen the term "Loyalists of North America" and google only brings up 6 hits, all of the Wikipedia or Wikipedia mirrors. 76.65.128.90 (talk) 08:58, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Another duplication: Loyalist (American Revolution). Pretty similar.  BC  talk to me 23:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: "to an offer of free land in British North America" is a manipulative if not pejorative expression. It is a proven fact that Britain paid compensation to the ones who were loyal to her and had lost their home and possessions in the U.S. due to their loyal behavior. The ones who came for "free land" and could not prove that they had been loyal to Britain but came for freebies only were rejected. More background info at www.uelac.org  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4905:A162:743A:E8E8:D18A:ED0D (talk) 12:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Canadian historians are the onew who say the British government offered "free land grants" to the Loyalists. eg  Rjensen (talk) 13:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Offer to free land" 

message: http://www.wyandotte-nation.org/traditions/biographical-panels/catherine-johnson/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.242.65 (talk) 13:46, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Wyandot Loyalists Links

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: To frame this as a "race riot" and the government as less fair to the black Loyalists than to, say, the Bay of Quinte Loyalists is catering to modern identity politics and a poor, biased reflection of the facts of the situation. To focus on the Shelburne riot, ie. as opposed to logistic shortcomings of the Crown in the resettlement, everyone was demoralized, having just lost a war, et al., and were facing the coming winter with women and children to feed and shelter. Some of the black Loyalists decided to "compete" with their fellow Loyalists by doing the available work for less pay, effectively crossing a picket line that would negatively impact ALL of them. Hence why blacks were not the sole focus of these attacks. 
This riot was not motivated by race, which was an incidental secondary factor. 2604:3D08:267F:800:E973:663D:A0E:AF86 (talk) 17:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shelburne Riots