Talk:Canadian National Vimy Memorial

message: It's a good probem to have, but the article contained too many images.  Too many photos had been crammed into the article, given the relatively short size of the article.  This isn't necessarily a bad thing -- not too long ago, we didn't have any real images of the memorial.  However, the layout looked terrible.  What I have done is I left the better images in the article, taken all the images and placed them in a Commons category, and then linked the Commons category in the article.  Therefore, the article looks better, and the full selection of images remains available to the reader through the Commons.--Skeezix1000 (talk) 16:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a Gallery of four images, but these could be replaced or rearranged. Qexigator (talk) 12:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The Gallery was removed, see section below Image. Qexigator (talk) 18:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: HELP!: I need some help trying to format the Vimy memorial sub-section to incorporate all the images of the memorial. Tango7174 uploaded a number of beautiful images that I feel should be incorporated. The issue is I'm not sure how to physically incorporate a lot of these images, there just isn't the next space but the statues themselves are each a piece of art. I was thinking a vertical image sticking template or a form or gallery at the bottom of the section. Thoughts? --Labattblueboy (talk) 02:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I quite like the idea of the gallery. Other articles such as Gold Beach have or have had them in the past, and I think it would be an excellent way to display the images. Though whether the gallery should be placed in the sub-section or at the bottom of the article (above the Notes) is up for discussion. MelicansMatkin (talk) 02:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Melicans, I undid your edit until we can come to a consensus as to what we do on these images. They won't be forgotten, they are too good. We just need to figure out how we are going to do the section to a GAN quality level and still include them. I think the gallery should be sub-section of vimy memorial, not towards the bottom of the article. Any GAN quality articles using galleries though? I am going to seek some help from project admin on this one --Labattblueboy (talk) 07:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you guys decide to go with a gallery, make sure it's consistent with WP:IG.  Galleries need to be more than just a tool to accommodate additional images - they need to be encyclopedic in and of themselves.  A gallery showing the various aspects of the memorial, with appropriate and informative captions, would strike me as being consistent with WP:IG.  --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: High on my list of concern is WP:IG given I want to work towards GAN. If we go with a gallery at the bottom of the section to showcase the individual statues which images (or type of images) would be most appropriate to accompany the article text? There is currently the nice shot of the model and there is, for instance, a map detailing the name locations, ideas? --Labattblueboy (talk) 06:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vmy memorial sub-section 

message: I happened to be researching elements of this topic a few years ago and came across some further information that might be useful.
First, in contemporary sources, the name given for the “Mother Canada” statue is usually “The Spirit of Canada”, with “Mother Canada” being a later popular evolution.  I cannot recall seeing “Canada Bereft” – although quite the most fitting appellation given Allward’s expressed intent – in the early sources I found.  The model was Edna Jennings, née Moynihan, (1902-1995).  She modelled for Allward between 1927 and 1930 at Allward’s Maida Vale studio, during the course of which she met and married Charles Bertram Jennings in 1928.  She was not able to attend the 1936 dedication (which was King George VIII’s last official public engagement before abdicating) and ironically never did visit the Vimy site.  Some information can be found in Suzanne Evans’ recent book Mothers of heroes, mothers of martyrs: World War I and the politics of grief (2007).
The runner up design, The Brooding Soldier, was created by Frederick Chapman Clemesha, who was himself wounded during the war, and was built at Vancouver Corner near Ypres, Belgium.
The Maple Leaf Legacy Project used to have an article with a motley collection of background information, including details on the dedication ceremony itself.  Unfortunately, it’s only to be found on Wayback, but it mentions a number of sources that could be mined. It also had some images which are now lost, including a picture of Edna Jennings. I gleaned an image for my files, but I don't know its provenance (probably a family portrait the author obtained from her daughter Drusilla).
That's all I really have to offer, I'm afraid. Askari Mark (Talk) 05:03, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further sources for expanding this article 

message: Some sources I found that might be useful for the article:
*Love among the ruins - more details on the Vimy Pilgrimage; a mention that the memorial was over-budget: "the monument had been 15 years in the design and assembly, ran over budget and was the subject of official inquiries and fact-finding tours"; and many years after that "the government responded to the controversy over the deterioration of the Vimy monument" - was the deterioration really controversial?
*Botched French on signs 'negligent' - a bit of critical news, though weighed against a 70+ year history, it is difficult to know what should be mentioned and what shouldn't.
*Flags of our fathers, and then some - politics over the flying of the Canadian Red Ensign.
*Porn film made at First World War memorial and 4 more convicted for desecrating Vimy Memorial - hmm, that wasn't quite the "local response" I was looking for. Still, there is a bit there about annual visitor numbers in the second article: "the site attracts hundreds of thousands of visitors each year".
*How Hitler spared Vimy Ridge - extra detail about how SS troops were used to guard the memorial.
*French stamps from 1936 - two to commemorate the Vimy memorial.
*Stamps and Remembrance - details of a 1968 stamp issues by Canada
*Canada's WW I Memorial at Vimy - more stamps and a picture of an envelope sent from aboard one of the Vimy Pilgrimage ships.
*November 1983 and April 1987 - two of many news reports of Canadian veterans visiting the Vimy Memorial. Many more can be found using the Google News archive and other newspaper archives. Some are in April, commemorating anniversary of the battle. Others are in November, marking Remembrance Day.
*75th anniversary in 1992, Report with pictures on a 1998 ceremony - that is the one where Canadian veterans were awarded the Legion of Honour, also covered in this news article: France gives highest honour to 14 heroes of Vimy Ridge. The VAC website will likely have lots more of these sort of reports (search this page for "Vimy").
*Interpretive Centre at the Canadian National Vimy Memorial - that page is the sort of thing I was looking for to tell readers what sort of facilities and services are provided at the memorial (i.e. a "Visitor Centre" and displays, but mostly an open-air site you walk round) - it would also be good to say that entry is free of charge (opening hours goes too far, but saying whether there is an entry fee or no entry fee is important, I think).
*Review of the Stone Carvers novel - already mentioned in article, but thought it might be of interest
*Standing on guard for them - article on being a student tour guide at the Vimy Memorial.
*John Richmond's real Canada - more example of the symbolism of Vimy, this time in a mural.
*Restoration begins on Vimy memorial - one of doubtless many articles out there about the restoration.
*Vimy poster honours vets of First World War - could be relevant, as the Vimy Memorial being used symbolically again.
*Vimy Ceremony Concludes Aboriginal Spiritual Journey in Europe - ceremony at Vimy Memorial that is interesting for two points: (1) the First Nations aspect, as part of the Aboriginal Spiritual Journey and a 'calling home ceremony'; and (2) it was part of Canada's Year of the Veteran activities. Also mentioned here, along with a statement that there is an "annual Remembrance Day ceremony at the Canadian National Vimy Memorial" (though that article says the calling home ceremony took place somewhere else).
*The painting Ghosts of Vimy Ridge by Will Longstaff is here.
*This map mentions something called the "Lions Club International Memorial" - should that be mentioned?
::Already mentioned in the site section. No reliable source data available on the history of it though. --Labattblueboy (talk) 02:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly useful sources 

message: *It's sublime and deadly - a 2005 article with some fascinating snippets of information and some support for some of the claims that could be made: "Ottawa, flush with postwar pride, uncharacteristically chose the boldest, most expensive proposal" (was it really the most expensive?); "Allward laboured 14 years -- long past the point where his task had become a torment to him" (was the project late and over budget and did it put strain on Allward?); "the greatest monumental work of art ever created by a Canadian" (do other sources agree? If so, this could be added); "Many consider it the most beautiful of the combatant nations' memorials" (again, do other sources say this? If so, this could be added); "a tree replanting program" (I read this somewhere else - is it worth mentioning? The description of the memorial park as a landscape of shell craters is also something that doesn't come across in the article at the moment - a picture would be good there); "Vimy's on-site operations director [lives] about 200 m from the memorial in an incongruously pretty Arts and Crafts-style cottage designed by Allward" (that is something that could go in the article as well); "Seven of the 10-tonne Canadian mines failed to go off in 1917" (wow... could easily be mentioned as well); "Only three per cent of the 750,000 annual visitors to the site of Canada's greatest military triumph are Canadian. The rest are British and French, mostly schoolchildren" (that is definitely worth saying); "Allward expected most people to arrive via the rail station" (but it is now accessed by road - that would be a perfect way to bring in Devloo and the lifts from the train station); "nothing much is done there on Vimy or Remembrance days. Instead [the caretakers] attend a local ceremony. "Last year we had a single Canadian couple here on Nov. 11. [We] asked if they wanted to come to town with us. The mayor lays a wreath at the town cenotaph, I lay a wreath, the band plays the Marseillaise and the French sing it, the band plays O Canada and the four of us sing it." (ah, so that answers the question of whether there are annual ceremonies to mark Remembrance Day and Vimy Day, but it doesn't explain why some sources say there are annual ceremonies - maybe the ceremonies are the Sunday before the days themselves? Or maybe things have changed since 2005?).
Wonder how much of the above can be incorporated into the article without affecting the balance too much? Carcharoth (talk) 08:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It also repeats something else I've heard before, that "For the first time, all four divisions of the Corps, men from every part of Canada, fought together...", which is something worth mentioning with regard to the "national identity" theme raised at the end of the Battle of Vimy section. Askari Mark (Talk) 23:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Historic Sites statement, which I think is the bit at the bottom here, is explicit about that as well. Among the seven points made were these two: "the site of Vimy Ridge and its associations with the awakening of Canadian identity" and  "the first occasion on which the Canadian Corps fought as a unit, composed of men from every part of Canada, and the welding together of an efficient fighting organization". The definitive source there is by searching here to get this, which confusingly says "designated in 1996" and "plaqued in 1997", and give a much truncated citation. I will have to search by "Statement of Commemorative Integrity" instead... Here is an explanation of Statement of Commemorative Integrity. The one for the Beaumont-Hamel Memorial is here (VAC are responsible for both memorials). Looks like the VAC are the only sources, as the Historic Sites website doesn't seem to go into that level of detail. Carcharoth (talk) 04:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Informative article (2005)

message: I got lost in that VAC website (they have lots and lots of pages - the "Honour the Legacy" bit is particularly good), but found the tomb page again here. I've been trying to find a source for the Latin inscription there: "IN MEMORIAM SEXIGINTA MILLIUM CANADENSIUM QUI ANNO DOMINI MCMXIV MCMXVIII IN ARMIS ULTRA MARE VITUM PRO PATRIA ULTRO DEDIDERUNT" Google Translate tells me "We are not yet able to translate from Latin into English." Er, so I make that "In memory of 60 million Canadians who in the years 1914-1918 took arms and gave their lives for their country". (Dediderunt is presumably from "dedere" which means to give up or to render unto someone else). But without a source, this is a bit of a dead end, so I'm just popping it here in case someone else finds a source for this. Oh, hang on, I found this: "The Latin inscription on the sarcophagus tells: "In memory of the 60.000 Canadian soldiers, who in 1914-1918 were travelling overseas, and died far away for their fatherland"." Looks like I need to go back to school for Latin lessons... It isn't a reliable source, but knowing what that inscription says does satisfy my curiosity. Anyway, one further point is the "served as" bits on the walls of names. That had puzzled me until I read an explanation on that page I just linked to: "The phrase "served as" indicates the soldier's real name. Canada was a place for escape, a safe haven, and a place to hide. Soldiers were using other names also to enlist for several other reasons." Do any of the reliable sources mention or go into detail on this? All I've found so far is this. Carcharoth (talk) 05:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Canada had a particular problem in recruiting throughout the war and took in quite a number of American volunteers from the very beginning; in fact Americans also joined British and other Commonwealth armies. Since the US was a neutral, it was an illegal activity, so often these volunteers joined up under noms de guerre. This explains some "served as" cases, although I do not know how many, if any, may be represented at Vimy. One place to begin looking for some information is the book mentioned in the first posting in Military Photos forum on this topic. Askari Mark (Talk) 20:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin inscription on the tomb and "served as" on name walls 

message: I found some footage of the unveiling ceremony on the British-Pathé website. The main website is here, and a search for "Vimy" produces 18 hits. There is the unveiling in 1936 (27/07/1936), and in addition to that, there is a memorial service by Canadian soldiers in 1940 (25/04/1940, during World War II), and also a visit by Vincent Massey (some time in 1939, precise date unknown). The details of the unveiling ceremony are well-known. The memorial service in 1940 and the 1939 visit by Vincent Massey, the Canadian High Commissioner to London, is something that could be looked at if they are a big part of the history of the memorial. I found an account of Massey's visit to the memorial on page 292 of Vimy Ridge: a Canadian reassessment (the Durflinger chapter: 'Safeguarding Sanctity'). It seems the date was 1 May 1940, unless there were other visits as well (the reference to it being misty seems to indicate that this footage is of the 1 May 1940 visit, just before the Germans invaded and over-ran northern France). There is nice footage of them touring the preserved battlefields and trenches. Other people in that party seem to have been Norman Rogers (who died in a plane crash a few weeks later), H. D. G. Crerar and George Stubbs (the caretaker and custodian of the memorial). The other clip doesn't seem anything more than just a normal commemoration service, but is notable for being held in April 1940 just before the German invasion (May and June of that year). As an aside, the stuff in the 'Safeguarding Sanctity' chapter of Vimy Ridge: a Canadian reassessment is fascinating and goes into a bit more detail than the article does at the moment. Anyway, I hope the links to this footage help. I'm off to see how many clips of unveilings of memorials they have - quite a few by the looks of it! Carcharoth (talk) 05:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The clips are all really nice, they certainly add additional perspective. I personally like now you in the 1939 and 1940 films you can see that the memorial has been covered and sandbagged, in anticipation of conflict. Unfortunately, none of these films are in the public domain, so they can't be included on wikipedia.--Labattblueboy (talk) 12:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't noticed the sandbags! It is unfortunate that the dates are wrong here in terms of public domain, and very lucky that you managed to find the home-made film donated to a museum (or library) with no restrictions on its use (will that go in the article?). For other articles, I will be adding external links to let readers know that these news clips exist (there is a discussion about that on the external links noticeboard here). For this article, I'll leave the matter of external links for you to consider. I am also about to go to the reliable sources noticeboard and ask if the Pathe title cards (these are silent news reels, remember) count as reliable sources! :-) The one on the Delville Wood memorial unveiling is 27 minutes long! Carcharoth (talk) 07:18, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was actually thinking a video could go in an article on the 1936 pilgrimage. There isn't much space here and the ceremony photo that is currently in the article is a fairly good one. I'm not sure when I could get around to working on such an article, but hte more it comes up the more it seams that it might be appropriate.--Labattblueboy (talk) 16:51, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  British-Pathé footage of the memorial and its unveiling 

message: The fact that Prince Philip wore the Royal Canadian Regiment uniform is linked to the rededication of the memorial; the day prior to the rededication, 6 members of the RCR were killed in Afghanistan, and, in her speech, the Queen specifically mentioned the fallen in that conflict. For what reason should this detail (or even both details) not be mentioned in the article?  --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 05:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The focus of the article is not Prince Philip. I am not extensively opposed to noting that he was dressed as Colonel-in-chief of the regiment although I personally believe its most appropriate for that information to be on the Royal Canadian Regiment page than here. IMO, the dress of the royals is not central to the details of the rededication. If the information is to be included it should be done in a manner that does not require parentheses, as they are generally discouraged and will certainly become a copy-editing issue when the article goes up for feature article again.--Labattblueboy (talk) 05:44, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, of course that is not the focus of the article. However, the rededication ceremony of a monument to fallen Canadian soldiers is a germane part of this page, and a part of that event was Philip's attendance in an RCR uniform the day after 6 RCR personnel were killed in action. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 05:16, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Philip in uniform

message: I found a bit here (Rediscovering the British world - 2005) about the Canadian Legion and it's role in the Vimy Pilgrimage. What is also mentioned is a 225-page souvenir book published by the Legion, called The Epic of Vimy (Google Books hits, catalogue entry here), which may have more on the Pilgrimage and the memorial. There was also a film of the pilgrimage, Salute to Valour (several Google Books hits), that came out in 1937. Might be worth mentioning both of those in this article somewhere. While looking up a catalgue entry for the book, I found this! That's a really good summary of the pilgrimage and the unveiling - worth putting in the external links at least, I think, and using as a source if considered reliable enough - it looks like a version got published in a journal here. The web page of that paper starts off with an impressive painting: CWM 20020045-425: Unveiling Vimy Ridge Monument (1937) by Georges Bertin Scott (a French war artist).  It is mentioned here, and a jpeg of the painting is here. Finally, some Vimy photographs are on this page. And something on the Silver Cross Mothers here. Carcharoth (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book and film and another painting and more 

message: Came across this while compiling a list of sources: The Use and Abuse of Battle: Vimy Ridge and the Great War over the History of the First World War. Thought it might be of interest for this article (couldn't find it referenced here). It looks like a reliable source. It is from volume 10, number 1, of the CMJ, which is the "current issue" (it is a quarterly journal), but I can't work out when that issue actually came out - going by the back issues, they missed a year of publication if Volume 10 number 1 is the "current issue", unless they delay online publication by a year. It seems that article was published around a year ago, but you might want to find some definition confirmation of when it was published. Carcharoth (talk) 02:13, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article in Canadian Military Journal 

message: This is a notice to the editors of this article that there is a deletion request on Commons for the current infobox image and two others.--Rockfang (talk) 05:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image nominated for deletion 

message: The topic of whether the park land is Canadian enclave (e.g. Canadian national territory) has recently come up. So I thought it best to discuss the issue. My understanding has always been that the land was purchased from the landowners by France and then ceded to Canada in perpetuity. The issue was handled through accord because foreign countries were not allowed to own French land. The French exempted the land from tax but that no mention is made of the land being extraterritorial. Can anyone provide sources that this land is anything other than French sovereign territory?--Labattblueboy (talk) 03:25, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This theory about the memorial being Canadian territory is a bit of an urban legend.  Similar to the widespread (and mistaken) that embassies are extraterritorial their host countries.  The issue was most recently discussed over at Wikipedia Commons, as there was a question as to whether photographs of the memorial are covered by Canadian or French law.It's hard to prove a negative, but I think the best evidence that the land remains French territory (albeit owned by Canada) is the fact that couples have in recent years been charged under French law and in French courts for having sex and for exhibitionism on the memorial.  Just in case this Globe and Mail link stops functioning at some future date, some quote from the January 22, 2008 article ("Swingers make love, not war, at Vimy Ridge"):"Monday, a French couple appeared at the courthouse in nearby Arras on charges of sexual exhibitionism at the First World War memorial.""A spokesman for Veterans Affairs Minister Greg Thompson said the Canadian government hopes Monday's court appearance will send a message.  “At this point, our participation in the French legal system will be enough of a deterrent,” said Richard Roik. “Inappropriate behaviour will not be tolerated.”"There are other newspaper accounts from the period.  If the memorial had been Canadian territory, these couples would have to have been charged under Canadian law. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 23:37, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that may be done by treaty.  It's kind of silly to have someone prosecuted for a minor, if not ridiculous, crime 5000 miles away.  The treated states that the land was "ceded in perpetuity" which, unless ceded has some different meaning in the Canadian language, appears to have given the land to Canada.  Gibraltar was "ceded in perpetuity" to Great Britain.  Though Spain seems to have another definition, most international law supports GB's claim.  However, Gibraltar has strategic importance (well in the past), so that's probably different than the Vimy Memorial.  The conditions of the ceding included that it would be only used for a memorial, and that one be built.  It is legally Canada.  SkepticalRaptor (talk) 00:41, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was done by treaty, then you would have no problem providing the details of that arrangement.  It isn't enough to say it must be kind of like Gibraltar, so it is legally Canada.  If French law applies, it's France unless someone can show evidence to the contrary.  Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:39, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Appendix III of the treaty lays out the explanation of the process. In essence, its the same process that was followed for the Commonwealth War Graves cemeteries; "the land is to be acquired by the French Government at the cost of the French nation, and held in perpetuity by it for use by the Canadian Government for a specific purpose, namely the erection of a monument and the creation of a park." In essence, granted free use, not sovereignty. This being said, if we have a reliable source, peer reviewed would likely be good in this case, than lays out that the land is "legally Canada" than I would defer to that.--Labattblueboy (talk) 10:14, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status of land 

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message: I am curious as to why there is a photo of Lieutenant Richard Jones and a  link to him. As far as I can determine, he was a British officer who had no link to the Battle Vimy Ridge or to Canada.
: Lt Jones won a VC at a previous battle on the same site. His photo is located to the section about previous battles, in which a link to his name is included. Llammakey (talk) 01:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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message: I wanted to see if there was an article on the recently cancelled "Mother Canada" monument but I see that Mother Canada redirercts here. I'm wondering if there should be a short section on the planned, but scrapped, companion monument that was to have been built in Cape Breton or if that merits a separate article? Alexander's Hood (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created a short article at Mother Canada and listed it in the Vimy article in the "see also" section. I'll leave it to others to decide if more of a mention is required. Alexander's Hood (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've pointed the link towards Never Forgotten National Memorial given that was the planned memorial's name. It might be worth mentioning only because this is not the first time making a duplicate or inspiration version has come up. If I remember correctly, Roméo Dallaire argued sometime around 2014 that a replica should be built across from  the Canadian Parliament. A one-line mention might work. --Labattblueboy (talk) 19:14, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: re-jigged the last section and included a mention within the general theme of artistic inspiration.--Labattblueboy (talk) 21:35, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
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message: Is this not more than most readers want to know about the logistics?
''
  Legion was responsible for the more challenging task of organizing the pilgrimage. For the Legion this included planning meals, accommodations and transportation for what was at the time the largest single peacetime movement of people from Canada to Europe.[62] The Legion took the position that the pilgrimage would be funded by its members without subsidies or financial aid from Canadian taxpayers, and by early 1935 they had established that the price of the 3½-week trip, inclusive of all meals, accommodation, health insurance, and sea and land transportation would be CA$160 per person ($2,779.18 as of 2016). Indirect assistance came in a number of forms. The government waived passport fees and made a special Vimy passport available to pilgrims at no extra cost.[63] The government and private sector also provided paid leave for their participating employees.[61] It was not until April 1936 that the government was prepared to publicly commit to an unveiling date, 26 July 1936.[61] On 16 July 1936, the five transatlantic liners, escorted by HMCS Champlain and HMCS Saguenay, departed the Port of Montreal with approximately 6,200 passengers and arrived in Le Havre on 24 and 25 July.[Note 8][64][65] The limited accommodation made it necessary for the Legion to lodge pilgrims in nine cities throughout northern France and Belgium and employ 235 buses to move the pilgrims between various locations.[64]''
My suggestion is that we condense it, but we should have some Consensus to do so. Peter K Burian (talk) 22:23, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It was previously requested in one of the Feature Article Candidate discussions for this article that the pilgrimage should be more thoroughly documented. That being said, certainly no opposition to further summarizing. Keep in mind this was the "largest single peacetime movement of people from Canada to Europe" so the logistics are certainly notable. What would you propose be trimmed?--Labattblueboy (talk) 23:03, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commemoration section of the text ... do readers need this much info?  

message: The memorial park contains no less than 5 memorial (Canadian Memorial, Moroccan memorial, Watkins memorial, Lion's club memorial and a divisional memorial in the forest - Lion's Club and divisional memorial don't have citations or mention in the article because no sources speak of them) and two cemeteries. Determining which has precedence for any mention in the lead would be problematic. In term of prominence the Moroccan memorial is more notable than the cemeteries, at least in terms of literature. The present text: "Along with preserved trench lines, several other memorials and cemeteries are contained within the park" seem to be the most concise presentation of material but we can certainly discuss revisions.--Labattblueboy (talk) 22:32, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, makes sense. Peter K Burian (talk) 23:15, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :I read down to the third paragraph and saw strange wordings and made a correction. I glanced at the edit history but could not see evidence of vandalism but that is a likely reasoning and I just missed it. Seeing that it was a FA I scrolled down glancing at it. I am sure this has just been an over-sight but there are more external links than needed. Finding an error in the lead would lead me to believe there may need to be some attention given.
:I do not want to tag the article and I am limited on time to proof-read and correct and any less action may result in a down-grade of the current classification. If someone could examine the article to include Copy editing the page and trimming the "External links" I would appreciate it. I will look at the article when I have more time. Otr500 (talk) 01:04, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article issues 

message: "...she argues the inscription text celebrating the victory at the Battle of Vimy Ridge strikes a very different tone to the list of names of the missing at the base of the monument..."
Sounds like Alana has either missed the point completely, or is actually not criticizing the monument at all since that was the intention.  Victory, at a price. There is no dichotomy.198.161.4.44 (talk) 16:37, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alana Vincent 

message: Labattblueboy: What is your problem? I do not think this is debarred as you claim. I do not believe it is correct that this is against French copyright law. It is explicitly uploaded to Commons by the author, and per File:2017-05 Canadian National Vimy Memorial 01.jpg there is usage on eight other wikis:
*Αράς
*Lens
*Monumento conmemorativo nacional canadiense de Vimy
*Pas-de-Calais' departemang
*Utilisateur:Ayack/Monuments aux morts
* ru.wikipedia.org Вимийский мемориал
* uk.wikipedia.org
*Q2561040
Who are you to assert otherwise? Qexigator (talk) 12:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a complete category in the Commons for Vimy Memorial deletion requests due to copyright concerns related to French Freedom on Panorama. I don't necessarily agree but that's not important, the community position is quite clear. Absent of a demonstration that Allward allocated copyright associated with the memorial to the Canadian government, images (taken in France) of the memorial are a violation of a Allward's copyright. Please see any one of the deletion requests here: .--Labattblueboy (talk) 22:55, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

text: I do not think the discussion is operative to debar this. Please explain specifically. Frankly, I do not believe it is correct that this is against French copyright law, and it is explicitly uploaded to Commons by the author. Who are you to claim otherwise? Qexigator (talk) 08:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image