Template talk:Yoga

message: There are basically three levels of respectable hierarchies of Yoga
MAJOR Yoga founded out by ancient Indian seers, whose credit doesn’t goes to a single person or group.
Eg. Bhakti Yoga, Hatha Yoga, Kundalini Yoga
MEDIUM Yoga founded by alive (or recently expired) gurus and the practices are very much well established throughout the world. Eg. Art of Living, Siddha Yoga
MINOR Yoga founded by single persons and used as a marketing phenomenon. Eg. Bikram Yoga, Dream Yoga, Sivananda Yoga. We cannot possible keep Agni yoga (invented by a couple) besides Siddha Yoga (introduced by a spiritual leader). A proper representation of the facts shall be reflected. So people are requested to split off the Other Yogas category into something more accurate.
:I just watched the trailer of Enlighten Up. In that documentary, one Yoga teacher of America mentioned that the number of variants of Yoga in US, as there are different flavors of Baskin Robbins Icecream. This holds true, since I have been seeing a lot of different and minor yoga styles in Wikipedia and the web. Since all cannot be accomodated in the template, the minor yoga list has been removed. Bhuto (Talk | Contribs) 06:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. This template is somewhat skewed: It lists some of the major overarching themes of yoga at the start of each of its sections, and then digresses quite a bit. As for styles, there are certain styles that are nationally recognized in the U.S. by Yoga Alliance, an organization that certifies yoga teachers, and also by Yoga Journal, a publication/organization that provides insurance to teachers. The authority of these organizations is sufficient to warrant which styles are listed on the template and which are not. Morganfitzp (talk) 19:33, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: To date, these yoga schools/styles include: Amrit, Anusara, Ashtanga, Bikram, Forrest, Hatha, Hot Yoga, Iyengar, Jivamukti, Kripalu, Kundalini, Power Yoga, Satya, Viniyoga and Vinyasa. Morganfitzp (talk) 23:12, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Changes required

message: "Topics in Yoga" to "Yoga" as templates generally named "X" and not "Topics in/related to X".--Redtigerxyz (talk) 14:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't find the change very useful. Topics was more informative and provided a direct link to a category page, containing a directory of related references. The Yoga article is not that useful as a gateway to miscellaneous related subjects (as the Category is). I suggest the title should be changed back or otherwise improved. NazarK (talk) 18:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text: On a second thought, it can actually be named "Yoga", but refer to the category, rather than the Yoga article. I'm changing it that way. Hope you like it. NazarK (talk) 19:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The title YOGA is much more appropriate. Thank you Redtigerxyz & NazarK bhuto 08:41, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion regarding Name of Template

message: This template can have a lot more in it to facilitate access and understanding of both classical and modern yoga. I've added this section containing some styles and schools of yoga that are well-known throughout the world, and yes, there are many more. They may not have been around as long as Patanjali's Sutras, but they are part of yoga as we know it and part of yoga on Wikipedia.
Some questions arise given the overlap of certain terms currently on the template: Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga is a contemporary school established in the 20th century in Mysore, though its name makes reference to Patanjali's "Ashtanga" (eight limbs), it is different. Kundalini,likewise, as a concept is quite old, yet Kundalini Yoga as practiced today, is also something that dates back less than 100 years. They all exist in the world and on Wikipedia, and all belong on this template. Let's work together as a community of Wikipedians (and yogis) to make this template a useful resource to all who seek knowledge on this subject. Morganfitzp (talk) 20:52, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added modern styles and schools that appear on Wikipedia and are recognized by Yoga Alliance 

message: Most recent draft proposal, last updated 28th July:
Scyrme (talk) 22:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft 

message: * Just as the Hindu and Buddhist traditions have influenced one another while remaining distinct, the Jainism has developed a distinct tradition of yoga of its own. In recognition of this tradition, I think its fair to add a small list group corresponding to Jain yoga to the template. Since this would add a line to an already fairly large template, I suggest trimming the Hatha list group. The texts which would be omitted would still be present in the separate Hatha navbox, so I don't think omitting them here would be problematic. (#Draft illustrates both of these changes along with others, but those others will be discussed separately after these are settled; for now ignore them.) Scyrme (talk) 15:23, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, thanks, that is an improvement to the method of discussion over TL;DR; but it's still quite a large and complex mouthful, and you're right to leave the Hatha yoga discussion out for the moment. Firstly, Jain yoga should certainly be in the template, but it's a redlink at the moment. I can see that you want to include Jainism (which as a heading is 99% off-topic for the template), and that you can't do that without having Jain yoga in there, and so you're scratching about for some Jain yoga contents. Secondly, Jain meditation is basically off-topic (if that's included then we'll be including all aspects of all Indian religions). Thirdly, since redlinks aren't allowed in navigation templates, the right thing to do will be to draft Jain yoga as an article. It will then be a bit clearer what subtopics that section needs, if any - rather than grabbing anything that looks vaguely related, it will be much better to base the section on study of the sources, which is what writing the article would consist of. (Actually much the same issue seems relevant to your proposed changes to the Hatha yoga section - it's quite unclear to me what your selection criteria might be - in particular, omitting the Vimanarcanakalpa, an important early text, seems an odd choice.) I do not think a basic Jain yoga article need be long to describe its main features and the outlines of its history and origins. At the moment I don't think such a section - a body without a head - makes any sense. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree that a new article needs to be made for Jain yoga before these changes can be made. As far as I know, it's not obligatory for every heading to have a corresponding link. I never suggested giving it a redlink; I simply left it unlinked. Your suggested approach is not taken for Buddhism; there is no "Buddhist yoga" article, it is simply Buddhism which is linked. Likewise, the main article for Hinduism is linked in its list group heading. I already explained the inclusion of Jain meditation in the earlier discussion:  It is not included simply because "it looks vaguely related". It's there to allow navigation to where the subject is presently discussed on Wikipedia, which is the purpose of a navbox. If you want to add more material to Wikipedia regarding this area by creating a Jain yoga article, I won't obstruct you; but for now I'm only suggesting the already existing material be made navigable. Scyrme (talk) 17:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of Jainism and trimming of Hatha 

message: The subsection "Three yogas" actually has 4 entries. First three were mentioned in Bhagavad Gita.If all 4 are mentioned in Bagvat Gita then change the heading to "Four yogas in Bahgvad Gita" and wikilink the heading to "Bhagvad Gita". If only first three are mentioned in Bhagvad Gita, then list them as sub-bullet under Bhagvad Gita and 4th (Raja Yoga) as a sub-bullet under its source. Also list the source of 4th (Raja Yoga). 
Alternatively, if there are only 3 types of Yogas and Raja Yoga is just a higher "state" which a yogi can attain through any of 3 yogas, then please make it clear in the template that first three are the types of yoga and the 4th is the higher or highest state of yoga and it is not a type, in that sace have a separate subsection on "states or levels" of yoga one can attain with "Raja Yoga" being the highest. Please clarify this confusion from a layman's perspective, template must be self descriptive and useful to lay people.  
Another question: Why has Hatha Yopga has been listed separately, while Raja Yoga article mentions it as one of the types of yoga? Also Raja Yoga article mentions few other types of Yogas which are not in the template, please include those.
Please see the last sentence in the first para of lede in Jnana yoga, please rephrase it to be "clearer". And do ensure all articles wikilinked inside the template are consistent ion their definition of concepts, themes etc without contradicting each other so as to not confuse readers and to enhance the overall consistency/integrity of the wikilinked content.
Thanks in advance.
58.182.176.169 (talk) 21:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the thoughts. If the world had just one view of yoga then the task would be simple, but the concepts are fluid and the terms are used variously with differing meanings. I've clarified the 3 vs 4 issue, one of the many concept/term mismatches out there in the world. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 vs 4 yoga: heading is not in synch