Talk:Pulque

message: since we are talking about Mexico in this article, and the official currency of Mexico is the peso, shouldn't it be in pesos?, anyways, what the heck is a local dollar??? 201.129.11.121 06:50, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Local Dollar

message: I have to inform you -in order for future expanding of the article- that there sometimes was a secret ingredient to the pulque, named ocpatli or ocpantli (depending Nahuatal or Tehuana language). Oc stand for October and the secret ingredient was added at the October festivities. The flowering of that secret ingredient is in October. Al the scrolls have been destroyed by the Church, so no-one knows what plant it is. Some language books say it was "resinosa"; sticky. One would think about marihuana flowers, but according to a Oaxacan anthropologist, that plant was not available in teh America's at that time. Furthermore almost the same letters as in ocpatli, are in Copal; a sticky juice from a specific tree. When hardened, they're used as a burning smelling stick in churches and should take away bad spirits. No idea if and what made the language connection with copal, but its a candidate.
Sources: library of the botanic garden of Oaxaca MM 84.81.213.44 (talk) 00:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Must be some confusion, possibly mistranslation. Oc does not stand for 'October' (instead can mean 'once, first' or 'always'), and pantli means 'wall' or 'ridge'. Probably you intend the word ocpahtli, which indeed is a plant used to facilitate the maguey liquor fermentation process, and bestows its colour. It's derived from pahtli 'medicine, potion' (esp. plant-derived); the word copal is quite unrelated. I don't think ocpahtli is a "secret ingredient", per se. --cjllw ʘ TALK 00:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Complete BS. Is this supposed to be a joke?Senor Cuete (talk) 21:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Secret ingredient ocpatli to pulque

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message: Completely rewriting the article is unacceptable:
1. Wikipedia articles are collaborations. Major changes should be discussed here before you make them.
2. Your edits added valuable information but removed as much good text which should have remained. An example would be the text about the unusual fermentation.
3. Your edits appear to be lifted directly from dubious web sites. For example the one that calls Pulque "Mayan Madness". Someone that doesn't know the Maya from the Aztecs can't be too knowledgeable about the people of Mesoamerica can he? These seem to be unsourced poor quality sites. Senor Cuete (talk) 14:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true.I agree that Mayan Madness isnt the best of the sources (though it is a source sponsored by a mescal maker, but it is in English, which I keep hearing I should use. Spanish-language sources are indeed better. BTW... completely reverting my edits isnt "collaborating" either...   and I have rewritten a number of articles such as Agustín de Iturbide, Tenango del Valle Taxco and a lot more. Nothing wrong with rewriting (often times it is easier) and a less-than-great citation source is better than none at all. Check the DYK nomination page for this article  for other comments on the article.Thelmadatter (talk) 00:32, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Who cares what other articles you wrote? It doesn't make you an authority on this subject. You turned a pretty good article into one full of unsourced and dubious factiods and which lacks citations. Senor Cuete (talk) 01:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewriting article 

message: Could we please have a picture of the drink itself? I've only seen pictures of containers of the drink, or bars serving the drink, or people (real or fictional) who are associated with the drink. I don't have any idea of what the drink actually looks like. JIP | Talk 17:42, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Done. Closeup of glass of pulque added. Geoff T C  20:21, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thank you! It looks very much like milk, or like ouzo after being mixed with water. JIP | Talk 23:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Is it the same stuff? Cfr. The Moon of Montezuma, novel by Cornell Woolrich, 1952. He speaks about a drink he calls oulque.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.153.43.42 (talk) 19:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  oulque 

message: Personally I think that this section is pretty irrelevant and should go, in favor of adding a link to a casta painting article. Senor Cuete (talk) 00:59, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drunkenness in casta painting 

message: This article should say what the typical alcohol percentage was, then and now.Jimhoward72 (talk) 05:43, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcohol content level? 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: The article states, with references, "While some establishments may forbid women, it is much more common for the establishment to provide a separate seating area for them. Intermingling of the sexes is not permitted."
However, immediately above this statement is a photograph of a man and a woman sitting at the same table in a pulqueria. So evidently the sexes are allowed to mingle in at least some establishments. I recommend removing the statement to the contrary.  Psuliin (talk) 19:59, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There are four references here, and I suggest you look and see what they actually say. Laws vary from one state to another. At least one of the sources (Mayan Madness, see "Rewriting article" section above) is of questionable reliability. Where I live in Mexico women were not allowed in the cantinas until about 25 years ago. Now it would be very unusual to find a cantina that doesn't allow women, it might not even be legal to exclude them. GA-RT-22 (talk) 19:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency  

message: Maguey seems to be an ambiguous term, at least the link leads to a disambiguation page. It's either a synonym for agave, or a name for one species of agave, Agave americana. We use the term in this article without defining it. We do say that any of about six species of agave can be used to make pulque. I don't think we should say that the maguey plant is called a "century plant" in English, because that implies that pulque can only be made from Agave americana. GA-RT-22 (talk) 19:52, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maguey confusion