Talk:Beyoncé albums discography/Archive 1

message: The source used claims chart positions from both the Tokio Hot 100 chart, an unofficial airplay chart used in Japan, where there are no sources from the official, sales-based Oricion singles chart. If there is no official chart position, the table should be left without a chart position, since the Tokio Hot 100 chart positions are not official and not based on sales at all. The main problem here is consistency, or rather, the lack of it. Chart positions are cited from both charts rather than just one, and some of the Japanese chart positions do not have any citation at all. --Lunarwhisper 12:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tokio Hot 100 

message: I have tagged this article for cleanup more than once (as well as tidying up some of it myself), but I keep being reverted. Here are the reasons why the article needs cleaning up:
#Song titles should be in double quotation marks, not italics.
#Solitary year, month and month-year links should not be inserted unless there is an extremely good reason.
#Various capitalisation errors in song and album titles, e.g. "Check On It" instead of the correct "Check on It".
#Various formatting errors, such as number-one positions being boldfaced for no good reason.
#Far too much detail for a general discography article. If the reader want to know how Knowles' singles faired on minor component charts, then that's what the single articles are for. This article is supposed to be a general overview.
For more information, see Wikipedia's manual of style. Extraordinary Machine 17:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a bit of cleanup today in order to bring things up to better adhere to the Wikipedia Tables for Charts guideline within WP:MUSIC.  However, I'm conerned about placing an image beside every single she releases.  Firstly, its going to make the article way too large. As her discography grows this page is going to become huge.  Second, these images really should be used with the articles about the songs, inside the yellow infoboxes.  All of the release dates, etc. are also outlined in the individual articles about the songs, so this is a bunch of redundant information.  I'm suggesting the removal of the excessive images here, and perhaps combine some of these tables, such as bringing the world charts info up into the main table. It doesn't make sense to have them separated. -- eo 17:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup tag 

message: "Creole" is a leaked song...wonder why its not on this page yet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.111.63.40 (talk) 22:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaked Songs 

message: I'm sure there are estimates for the worldwide sales of her albums. Can someone find these and post them? Thanks.UberCryxic 04:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide sales? 

message: About the In Da Club song. I remember hearing Beyonce's version of that song on the radio. But how come it's not listed in her discography? 74.240.64.4 (talk) 16:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Da Club 

message: I'm getting a little irritated over the constant changes and inflations to her records sales. First of all no sources are provide for Dangerously In Love selling over 11 million. According to the sources on the album page i's sold more around the figure of 9 million, and I doubt that the B'day dvd page is a reliable source for sales information!PhoenixPrince (talk) 00:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales 

message: Did "Wishing on a star" and "what's it gonna be" every chart. They had chart positions a long time ago. Usercreate (talk) 18:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charted Songs 

message: *The more accurate source says the album's sales are at 8 million worldwide, which I believe is just as accurate. Mediatraffic's list (which has it at 6 million) is not accurate, due to the fact that they stop including sales for the albums when they fall off the chart. True Story.LAUGH90 (talk) 14:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DIL Worldwide Sales 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "RIAA" :
** RIAA. American sales certificate database. Retrieved 23 October 2006.
** . Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved 23 October 2006
** RIAA. American sales certificate database. Retrieved 23 October 2006.
DumZiBoT (talk) 15:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: Not trying to offend anyone from Poland but, I still cannot understand WHY Poland is one of the countries in the discography charts' table! Poland is NOT an important music market and furthermore, Beyonce's position there had not been very succesful, to be honest... A table almost full of top 10 and there's a market like Poland with top 50 singles...
I suggest it to be removed from the table. Rub rb (talk) 02:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish Charts???? 

message: "Single Ladies" is only an official single in the US, everywhere else it is the B-Side to the physical "If I Were A Boy" video. "If I Were A Boy" is the only international single at this time. "Single Ladies" is simply charting everywhere else due to popularity.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.1.175.126 (talk) 05:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single Ladies 

message: stop writing this! europe sales are estimated in ONE MILLION COPIES so it's impossible! america's sales, plus europe sales, plus australia sales bring a total of more than six millions but there's NO WAY it could have sold 11 million copies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.146.255.37 (talk) 10:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE HASN'T SOLD 11 MILLION COPIES! 

message: I think it's very important that someone will put on the chart section maybe beside hot RnB the PoP performance of BEYONCE, specially because it is a CROSSOVER accomplishment.. It is important because she isn't just a mere RnB singer, She is a RnB/PoP singer so it should be placed there! she has actually 3 pop no. 1 (crazy in love, baby boy, irreplaceable)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xlaws001 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  BILLBOARD POP 100 

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thread_title:  Image copyright problem with File:Dangerously In Love Album(2003).png 

message: I'm doing a complete overhaul, these single certifications are a mess. PhoenixPrince (talk) 18:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single Certification 

message: Why have the Spanish Charts been removed???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.22.47.164 (talk) 16:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPANISH CHARTS 

message: How come this song is not in the featured singles or Beyonce template of singles. The song charted and was released as a singles. Both Luther Vandross own version and the version with Beyonce both charted. Tarysky (talk) 21:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Closer I Get To You 

message: I've amended this a number of times, but they keep being altered. WRONG!
Deja Vu has peaked at number 15, Just Stand Up, number 19. 
Evidence can be found at www.charts.org.nz, then type in the name of the song!
I can't be bothered doing this again so can it please be fixed up  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.115.169 (talk) 09:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Zealand Chart Peak Positions 

message: It was started in many many beyonce's biographies EVERYWHERE and in an artical about her new album that DiL sold OVER 11 million so dont play smart and put sourses that are 2 YEARS OLD and say that it sold 8 million, as far as I know it says 11 million in every article I read so unless you counted the copies your self please don't mess with it!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radan92 (talk • contribs) 22:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE SOLD 11 MILLION 

message: The video has been recorded. This does not make it the next single. The video is for the anthology. Ego is the next single, this has been confirmed - please stop changing the discog to Sweet Dreams! 80.6.177.56 (talk) 10:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: sweet dreams has been listed as the 4th single for the UK http://www.beyonceonline.com/uk/news/next-uk-single  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mister sparky (talk • contribs) 18:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sweet Dreams IS NOT the next single 

message: This page should be fully protected because this is a everything edit habit with fans. The same information is being put in and erased. This page has been edited everyday more than 20X a day since it was created. I'm nominating this page for a full protect. Lovejonesfly (talk) 15:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full Page Protect 

message: Instead of jumping into an edit war, can someone explain to me why Beyoncé's singles must be divided into individual tables, instead of one organized table? Unless there is some Wikipedia guidelines that dictate otherwise, I'm going to petition to have her singles listed in one single chart, once again. TJ 22:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's a guideline or policy dictating one or the other, but for what it's worth I prefer the previous format (three separate tables) - it's easier to navigate, and the tables all serve slightly different purposes.  Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 23:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: i think the main reason was because it just looks silly. they are 3 separate tables all stuck together in one. its not even listed chronologically in the one big table, its split up into 3 different sections. so it makes perfect sense for them to be separate tables. also i think it will help if we want to promote the article to FA status. because looking at other FA discographies they are all split into groups.
i have been working on a version in my sandbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mister_sparky/Sandbox/Beyoncediscography take a look and let me know what you think :) Mister sparky (talk) 23:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to disagree about the singles being listed chronologically in the one big table, it's just separated by album singles, soundtrack singles, and featured singles. And the single table, "looking silly" is sort of a juvenile argument, and more of an opinion than anything else. However, I will agree with you on getting the article promoted to FA status that it should be uniform with other FA discographies. Mister sparky, I think your split would work, but I think some of the chart positions are a bit incorrect. You have "Work it Out" as 104 on the U.S. charts, when it didn't chart on the Hot 100. It only charted on the U.S. R&B charts, which you've eliminated from the table. Also, shouldn't there be three separate tables instead of combining the soundtrack singles with her album singles? I also made an attempt of splitting the singles based off your template in my own sandbox. Check it out and let me know what you think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Triple_J/Sandbox/Beyoncé_discography. TJ 00:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

text: hey, thanks for the feedback :) with regard to "work it out" yes i made a mistake with that one. but the others are correct i believe, if not please change. and i do agree with splitting the soundtracks further, i didnt even think about doing that. i like :) Mister sparky (talk) 00:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're good on the other chart positions as well. So, if no one else objects, the singles could be split into the three tables for album singles, soundtrack singles, and featured artist singles. TJ 08:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: i agree :) Mister sparky (talk) 13:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles Charts 

message: "Check On It" was the first single from "B'day"; it hit #1 on the Hot 100 in 2006. But it's not listed here!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.165.1.222 (talk) 14:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: check on it is there, it is listed with the soundtracks Mister sparky (talk) 17:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: and it wasn't the first single from B'Day, it was released with Destiny's Child's #1s album. Loveable Daveo (talk) 14:21, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Check On It" is missing 

message: There is no consensus presented here that single certifications must be integrated with single chart table. Also there are no guidelines saying so as well. It seems like this discography is currently under Mister sparky's version, and no one can do changes. Langdon (talk) 20:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: oops! okay i hold my hands up to the consensus thing. i was thinking about somewhere else. my apologies :( lets start one now then, opinions? but this articles is not under my control at all. anybody can edit articles, thats the joy of wikipedia. i just dont agree that random ip's can add whatever info they like that is fancruft or unsourced Mister sparky (talk) 20:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single certification 

message: Radio will be the next European single. I have changed the discography a few times but someone is deleting it every single time. I'd put some references with it. In the Netherlands it already had a peak position on place 64 and it is the most played song on the biggest radio station in the Netherlands (Radio 538). There is even already a cover for the single. I don't understand what kind of confirmation you need more?? Tell me or change the discography!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by OwenLammertink (talk • contribs) 06:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: hey, it was me that keeps removing it because i have been trawling the net and havent found anything reliable enough to provide official confirmation of a single release, only blogs and forums. Radio play and a chart position doesnt make it an official single, which is why i was going to add it to the "other charted songs" table. once there is reliable confirmation then it can of course be added to the singles. Mister sparky (talk) 14:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: radio airplay is still not official confirmation of single release. find it on a releases schedule or on the official site or something. there any many stories going around about the next single, this, broken-hearted girl and video phone. BHG has been the only one confirmed hence why it is the only one included in the singles list. Mister sparky (talk) 14:44, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio next European Single 

message: Look: http://www.amazon.com/Video-Phone-Beyonc%C3%A9/dp/B002M2N9GQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1252547217&sr=8-2  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bday0495 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: i'm sorry but amazon is not considered a reliable source. they make many mistakes, ie they had the madonna greatest hits album listed as iconography for months, which we now know is incorrect. find it on an official singles releases list or if it is mentioned on her official site. the only places i've seen it mentioned is forums. Mister sparky (talk) 02:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  VIDEO PHONE IS AN OFFICIAL SINGLE 

message: Honesty charted in Japan 2008. Could somebody add that? source: http://acharts.us/song/49916 --It's Flo (talk) 20:47, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: japan isnt included anywhere in the page because of restrictions on the number of countries that can be included. Mister sparky (talk) 12:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honesty 

message: Many people are getting the Dutch Top 40 confused with the Netherlands Single Top 100. Maybe we should include singles which charted only on the 100 with a note to explain the difference between the two charts? Dt128 let's talk 20:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: but the mega single top 100 is a component chart of the dutch top 40 so shouldn't be used, unless no songs chart on the top 40, which most of them have. Mister sparky (talk) 20:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch Top 40 

message: can some one please change telephone rankings 3 usa 8 nz
121.74.227.34 (talk) 12:00, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Algebraist 14:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: I was wondering if I saw a recent change yesterday with Beyonce's "I am... Sasha Fierce" album. I believe I noticed her sales reaching 3 million records yesterday (3/31/10)and today I was wondering why is it at 2 again. I'm almost certain that it stand at triple platnium currently. I'm just wondering if anyone may have any insight on this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.58.207 (talk) 21:31, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beyonce sales status 

message: "Ave Maria" isn't a promo single or soundtrack why have to put this song into Soundtrack and promotional singles section. It's only charted on UK, but it doesnt mean that it must be a single.MeeLP (talk) 05:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ave Maria" 

message: A DVD featuring I Am... Tour footage has yet to be confirmed for a release. It should not have a listing in this discography. I removed its name from the list of video albums, but since then, my edit has been reverted. I do not wish to start any trouble, but seeing as how only a fan site has reported the concert being shot, we should not jump to conclusions and name the DVD. Many believe Live in London (or whatever it's being called) already has a release date. This is completely false. The source is from an Amazon listing of a DVD not even being manufactured by Columbia Records. Does anyone second the idea to remove the listing? I've already re-directed the page for the DVD to its tour page - no questions asked. That is simply because it was small and not notable enough (as it really has no title, release date, or confirmation for release) to have its own page. Anyway, what do you guys think? D4c3nt3n0 (talk) 23:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I Am... Tour" - Live DVD 

message: Can i edit this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clarkyjake (talk • contribs) 17:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Clarkyjake, 8 September 2010 

message: I'm not certain how you make changes on the wikipedia pages, but I am... Sasha fierce has officially sold 3 million in the United States and is certified by the RIAA.
Here are a few of the sources:
www.beyonceworld.net/.../i-am-sasha-fierce-officially-certified-3x-platinum/
ultimatebeyonce.com/wp2/2010/10/.../iasf-3-million-copies/
These changes need to be made. I don't understand why it's constantly changed from 3million, back to 2million constantly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.84.14 (talk) 21:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there. An official source from the RIAA is needed. These are fan website, and cannot be used as references on Wikipedia. Yves (talk) 21:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

text: You can see from this page that it has only been certified twice platinum. Yves (talk) 21:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is without any doubt, I...am sasha fierce has sold 3million in the U.S. 

message: Ofcourse we don't have official world sales for her album but there are some forums that have really good and reliable estimates!
Somebody should fill numbers of world sales and sales from most important markets (US, UK, maybe Australia, Canada etc.) How is it possible for DIL to be at 6M mark worldwide when she reached 6M just in US and UK, it's crazy. I don't know why but I can't post links but here you have real shipments/sales:
Dangerously In Love:  
Shipments: US-5M, UK-1.5M, WW(worldwide)-9M
Sales: US-4.8M, UK-1.2M, WW-8.5M
B'Day:
Sales: US-3.3M, UK-500K+, WW~6M
I Am... Sasha Fierce:
Shipments: US-3M, UK-1.5M, WW-7M
Sales: US-2.9M, UK-1.4M, BRAZIL-300K, WW~6.8M
:I totally agree with you. This is beyond ridiculous. DIL should have sold at least 9 to 10 million copies. Jivesh   • Talk2Me 17:19, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be so, but we cannot conglomerate statistics to give a desired figure. World sales must be accompanied by an independent reliable source. Yves (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album world sales 

message: Can someone add yet untitled new album and new single (2011) to the tables? It is already confirmed by many sources that first single will be released at the end of April 2011 and new album in late June 2011.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.105.75.167 (talk) 17:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no confirmation for these; just speculation. Neither of these have a name, anyway, so it would not very constructive to add them to the discography article. The artist's page would be more appropriate, accompanied by reliable sources. Yves (talk) 18:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New single and album 

message: Why isn't "Upgrade You" in the main singles section. It had a radio release and music video?--68.79.98.217 (talk) 01:10, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It had limited release. Jivesh   • Talk2Me 09:53, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If it had a radio release that would indeed make it a single. However, I don't think it was sent to radio by the label, but was just played because it's a damn good song. Adabow (talk · contribs) 10:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I confirm that "Upgrade U" was never sent for airplay in the United States. It got a music video simply because all songs from the album got one irrespective of whether they were singles or not. Jivesh   • Talk2Me 10:44, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upgrade You 

message: I don't understand why the soundtrack singles are listed in their own separate section here. Some of them should be listed as main singles, such as "Work It Out" and "Listen", while the other ones should just be listed under a section called "promotional singles". ℥nding·start 07:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Soundtrack singles should be kept separate to avoid confusion,They are not released from studio albums but from soundtrack albums. Jivesh   • Talk2Me 11:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Ending-start. They are singles (official). We can mention the soundtrack on the Album column. For example, Madonna singles discography, Mariah Carey singles discography and Phil Collins discography all list the soundtrack releases as official singles. Novice7 (talk) 11:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Novice, doing this will lead to multiple controversies. How would you explain so many websites calling "Crazy in Love" Beyonce's solo debut? Jivesh   • Talk2Me 11:53, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I encountered several issues while working on Work It Out (Beyoncé Knowles song) and it even failed GA. "Work it Out" was also included on Dangerously in Love while "Listen" was also included on B'Day. Jivesh   • Talk2Me 11:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And if you are considering doing this, tomorrow someone may come telling that albums, soundtrack albums, live albums and video albums can all be mixed simply because they are official albums. Jivesh   • Talk2Me 12:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... That needs a discussion. Well, anyways, "Work It Out" is the lead single from Austin and her first single. "Crazy in Love" is the second single, in my opinion. Billboard states "Work It Out" is her debut single (as a solo singer) -> . We can mention "Listen" album as Dreamgirls Soundtrack / BDay. And, for albums.. No, because live, video and studio albums are completely different. They're mastered differently unlike singles. They are official albums, but they're not mixed in a discography. Novice7 (talk) 12:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, per the proposed guideline at WP:DISCOGSTYLE, Separate types of releases are to be split. Soundtrack singles and album singles are not of different type whereas a video and live album is. Novice7 (talk) 12:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Listen, let the discography either pass or fail FL first. We will discuss it later. However, i will never consider singles from albums and soundtrack albums to be the same because soundtrack singles are practically never successful. I put practically in bold so that editors do not start coming with examples of soundtrack singles which suffered fro a much better fate. The biggest evidence here is that even fans do not treat soundtrack singles the sane way. Singles from album received better commercial reception. For instance, Beyonce's Listen peaked at number 61 on the US Billboard Hot 100 while the cover of Glee peaked at number 38. And no. We cannot list Dreamgirls Soundtrack / BDay next to "Listen" because it was not a single from the album. It was a single only from Dreamgirls. I encountered such issues while working on soundtrack singles for GA. Jivesh   • Talk2Me 12:44, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, we will surely discuss this later. But, I still don't think they should be splitted. Novice7 (talk) 13:16, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why does it matter if the song is successful or not? It was still released. And to me, only those 2 songs warrant as official singles, and "Listen" is still a bit mixed for me, and can labeled a "promo single", but "Work It Out" is deff an official single, and should be listed as such. As Novice pointed out, Billboard calls it her debut single. And it doesn't really matter if they also call "Crazy in Love" that as well, Christina Aguilera's label, for example, say she only has four studio albums, when she really has six. ℥nding·start 15:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundtrack singles ARE official singles 

message: Beyonce wasn't credited on Pray of Jay's American Gangster. Remove it  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.68.95 (talk) 11:54, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Adabow (talk · contribs) 12:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  featured credits 

message: scope="row" | 4
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* Released: June 2011
* Label: Columbia (#86386)
* Format: CD, LP, digital download
Bjaymz (talk) 14:24, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. — Bility (talk) 15:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Bjaymz, 12 May 2011