Talk:Greg Mueller

message: Mueller is listed on that database as a hockey player playing out of Germany *http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid%5B%5D=36178 ending in 1999
*which is what his WPT profile says: http://www.worldpokertour.com/Shared/Players/Bios/G/Greg_Mueller.aspx
*his cardplayer profile says: http://europe.cardplayer.com/player/bio/1341/greg-mueller
*his Offical Website says: http://www.gregmuellerpoker.com/about
*Bluff Magazine profile - http://www.bluffmagazine.com/Magazine/2005_11_36.asp
the requirement is verifiability, not truth see WP:V, there are many source that state he was a former professional hockey player.▪◦▪≡SiREX≡Talk 13:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You could write that in her bio if it came from a reliable source a tabloid however isn't reliable, and where you are setting up is clearly a straw man argument acting as that was my position. what this article uses as a source come from his bio sheet from many multimillion dollar companies and not fan sites. This is his WPT profile from the World Poker Tour's Official site which states that "Mueller was a professional hockey player in Germanay." his profile on on Full Tilt Poker states that "he retired from his professional hockey career in 1999." he is listed as Gregor Mueller in this update from the Aussie millions. this Interview from pokerwire official youtube page coving the Aussie Millions induces him as a "professional hockey player", the hockeydb.com list a Gregor Mueller that played on a DEL league out of Germany until 1999. on a worldseriesofpoker.com update, states "Seat 1 Greg "FBT" Mueller Greg Mueller, a former professional hockey player, has made three WSOP final tables in his career." these sources are NOT some homebrew personal websites, the information they are giving are either true or what they believe to be true and can be verified by the links given above. ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡Talk 18:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I understand what you are saying but I'm sorry, I really think you need to take your research to Cardplayer, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Full Tilt Poker etc and if they verify your claims and publish them, we then could use your information in those published results, however Wikipedia isn't the place for original research (see WP:OR), it cannot be written that there is evidence to the contrary, because there is nothing you have offered have been published by a reliable source which isn't to say that I'm calling you a liar, remember what is written in Wikipedia is information that can be verified, which isn't the same as saying it is true. you say ESPN, the WPT etc, failed to take steps to verify information provided to them, but how are we suppose to know if they did in fact failed because an anon editor be it you, me or whoever said so? to put it another way you are putting the cart in front of the horse Wikipedia isn't a way to publish research but rather a way to use researched information to be used as a citation that had already been published by a reliable source. ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡Talk 22:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Definatley him, I remember they documented it on WSOP on Challenge in the UK, and he mentioned he could speak German through his family and then playing hockey there for nine years made him fluent.  So anything relating to Greg (Gregor) Mueller playing hockey in Germany would relate to this very Greg Mueller. Raphie (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former professional hockey player 

message: Does anyone think it would be a good idea to add hockey related categories on this page? Raphie (talk) 21:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hockey cats? 

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