Talk:Rubbing alcohol

message: I highly doubt that you could abuse that, unless you wanted to burn things invisibly or something.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.73.33 (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is the flame statement under "Abuse"

message: As far as I am aware Surgical Spirit BP does not contain Iodoform. Iodoform is a pale yellow solid that tints anything that it is dissolved in a pale yellow. The tint becomes stronger with time due to the liberation of free iodine. Surgical Spirit BP is a colourless liquid that ramains so on standing. I have added a typical composition for Surgical Spirit BP taken from a bottle in the local supermarket. Socksysquirrel 21:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Iodoform

message: becouse you rub it on your skin
where be advanced and ruf out your skin tone!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.170.253.67 (talk) 12:36, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  answer 

message: You can ask the reference desk. There is no guarantee that this article will be expanded. JFW | T@lk 23:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  i want more info on rubbing alcohol 

message: The article said "(Note that alcohol, if added in certain quantities, can stop water from freezing.)".
Since alcohol itself freezes, this claim as it sits is both bazarre, and false.
It can lower the freezing point of water, but every known substance freezes at SOME temperature.
Note also that the comment is a parenthetical comment in a paragraph on the usage as a topical bacteriocide,
so it is also irrelevant.     SO...  I've removed the comment totally.
: products sold as "anti-freeze", to stop freezing, are based on alcohols. We understand the point you are making, but you're being pedantic and not helpful. A better explanation, that the freezing point would be lowered below temperatures generally encounted in the temperate zone, would be much more useful to people than just deleting useful information. 108.6.235.51 (talk) 02:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Stops water from freezing?

message: I did a major edit to clarify the definition of the word "rubbing alcohol".  These are based on definitions from both the British and US Pharmacopeoias.  Isopropyl rubbing alcohol is popular and is often confused with the ethanol derived product.  Some pharmacies attempt to try and prevent abuse of the product by just not carrying the ethanol rubbing alcohol and instead only stock the isopropyl product.  
I hope this gives you a bit more info on "rubbing alcohol" and products.  consider this a freeby article from the Universe!!!  
cheers
WIKIPEDIAVI 06:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rubbing Alcohol as found on a pharmacy shelf 

message: "Alcohol can be inserted into parts to bring out the liquids within."
:Is this a clever piece of vandalism, referring to masturbation? (Not that I know much about it, nor am I supposed to.) --Ihope127 19:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: From the article: "Ethanol...is not potable."
Um...I'm pretty sure that it is.  Isn't ethanol just the stuff in drinks?  Most ethyl rubbing alcohols have additives that make them non-potable, but ethanol itself is pretty much the potable alcohol.  Twin Bird 17:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not potable? 

message: Having practiced in a hospital, I have noticed that isopropanol based rubbing alcohol products have largely replaced ethanol rubbing alcohol for quick cleaning of injection sites. Probably because isopropanol rubbing alcohol does not have to be 'denatured', thus does not contain the assortment of 'party-favourites' used to denature ethanol products.  These denaturants probably leave a residue on the prep'd skin site or sensitize patient's skin.  Because isopropanol based products are the norm in hospital settings, when staff ask for 'rubbing alcohol' - they will expect and mostlikely receive an isopropanol based product, but if one was to look closely, the product label will be printed in a manner that reflects that it is isopropyl alcohol (at least this is my experience in North America).  
Cheers, Wikipedia_V.I. 20:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why 'Rubbing Alcohol' is now thought of as being Isopropyl Alcohol 

message: I can see a lot of "work" has been done to this webpage in the last while.  
Under B.P. and U.S.P. standards, "RUBBING ALCOHOL" contains ethanol (not isopropanol).  
BP and USP standards for "isopropyl rubbing alcohol" cotains isopropanol.  
In the older definitions of pharmaceutical practice, rubbing alcohol was defined as an ethanol product.  In the last 30-40 years, isopropyl rubbing alcohol was defined as the isopropanol product.  
I attempted to clarify this issue in previous editions of this article but I see someone has their own opinions.  To my chemistry trained friends, the definition of alcohol used is along the pharmacy practice lines (not pure and applied chemistry lines).  
In pharmacy circles, "alcohol" when used by itself is meant to be referring to ethanol, not the chemical group of alcohols (ie. butanol, methanol usw).   This may be why some individuals have re-written the article to try to correct this when infact it is not an error.  
I hope at some point to try and re-write it to correct the misunderstanding.  Cheers, Wikipedia_V.I. 04:43, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lots of confusion about the term ALCOHOL 

message: i thought some of the "Other Applications" did not meet wikipedia standards, such as "Although it does not work perfectly, it is effective for removing sharpie marker from human skin."  
i also re-worded a few so that they didnt sound so awkward
Dfritter4 07:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing Required 

message: I came to this page hoping to learn whether rubbing alcohol is appropriate and safe to use for sterilizing a thermometer. While I do now judge that it is safe, I found on the page more than one apparent contradiction about its safety, the most glaring seen in the following text comparisons:
-- "It is also widely used for cleansing the surgeon's hands ..." (From the "Uses" section of the page.)
-- "Some cautions go so far as to say protective gloves should be worn while using it." (From both the "Cautions" section and the "Isopropyl Rubbing Alcohol" section.)
If contact through the skin is unsafe past a particular exposure level, shouldn't that be specified? I would have liked to have seen more detail about why some cautions recommend using gloves. Is it just a legal phrase to protect the branding company and manufacturer against liability?
Additionally, under "Cautions", the specific phrasing of the text "Isopropyl rubbing alcohol is poisonous and can cause permanent disabling illness or death if consumed" does not adequately specify whether it is poisonous: a) only when consumed or inhaled, or b) in all interactions, even through overexposure through the skin. Is it more practical to read, "Isopropyl rubbing alcohol is, when consumed or inhaled, poisonous and can cause permanent disabling illness or death." Or is overabsorption through the skin also a risk for poisoning? Wikipedia's own link to "poisonous" in the above page text confirms poisoning is not just through ingestion: "... while other poisons are generally defined as substances which are absorbed through epithelial linings such as the skin or gut."
Another observation: the page seems a bit unclear in places whether it's referring to isopropyl or non-isopropyl alcohols, or both.
Lastly, it's not clear why the "Abuse" section contains the text, "Rubbing alcohol burns with a bright blue flame, which is almost invisible in the light, but visible in the dark. The higher the alcohol percentage, the richer the color, typically." Is this referring to a danger of fire due to the risk that it may not be noticed in regular light before growing out of control? If so, it is under the wrong section and would be more appropriate under "Cautions". If not, then it is a simple description of an attribute of the substance that would be appropriate for the "Physical Properties" section.
Tpanger 07:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cautions" contradictory, not clear 

message: The second paragraph says: (Ethyl Alcohol, C2H5OH=46.07). 
Why is the name Ethyl Alcohol used, and not Ethanol? What does the number 46.07 mean? It should be explained or removed. It's not at all self evident. --HelgeStenstrom 08:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please explain formula 

message: something should be said about the nature of poisoning as a result of absorption through the skin.  The page mentions the danger, but also mentions its use for "rubdowns". 
71.211.152.251 17:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  poison through absorption 

message: I can't follow the opening paragraphs here.  My understanding (I now live in the US) is that rubbing alcohol in the US is typically 70% isopropyl alcohol.  So why does this article start talking about ethanol?  Is ethanol ever used in rubbing alcohol formulations?  If not, please remove all suggestions that it is.  If it is, then please clarify when it is ethanol and when it is isopropyl alcohol.  The references to BP and USP definitions may be irrelevant if the term "alcohol" is being used according to the standard chemistry definition of an alcohol being and alkyl-OH, as in the main alcohol article.  Please clarify! Walkerma 06:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory 

message: The article doesn't really explain why it is called rubbing alcohol.--203.129.47.170 08:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is it called rubbing alcohol? 

message: Using Rubbing Alcohol to treat Acne is not a good idea. The alcohol overdries the skin, making it produce even more oil, so its use is counterproductive. The only time I have heard it used to help treat acne is if you lance a papule/pustule and need to disinfect the lance/needle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.227.32 (talk) 19:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should not be used for Acne 

message: I looked up 'Rubbing Alcohol' in the US Pharmacopoeia, the 2008 edition.  On page 1319
it described it as BATF formula 23-H: 100 parts ethanol, 8 parts acetone, 1.5 parts methyl isobutyl ketone by volume, diluted to 68.5-71.5% with water, then denatured with 355 mg sucrose octaacetate 
or 140 mg denatonium benzoate per 100 ml.  2-Propanol is not rubbing alcohol even though we all
may find it just as good as the real stuff.  I looked at the stuff in stores and didn't find any
rubbing alcohol, just isopropyl alcohol, none of it claiming to be USP.
RussellBell (talk) 18:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The USP definition of 'Rubbing Alcohol' 

message: This article needs some serious cleanup. The first intro paragraph was particularly confusing. I tried to make it less confusing but still need some help. Thanks, RockManQ (talk) 02:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Can someone please explain how Rubbing Alcohol, or ANYTHING for that matter, can have more than 100% alcohol by volume? "... contains 97.5-100.5% by volume of pure, concentrated ethanol..." Does this not violate conservation of matter and energy? Maybe the remainder causes the solution to shrink, and they measure the alcohol's volume before mixing it?Josheisenberg (talk) 22:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not particularly relevant to this article, however.... The nature of measuring anything always involves uncertainty. It is not that there is actually more than 100%. Any good measurement that is meant for expert consumption always has error added at the end. Say that the method used to determine the %alcohol is accurate within + or - 0.5% (95% confidence interval). This makes it possible to get a result of 100.5 +/- 0.5%. For that matter even 100.6+/- 0.5% given that the error is not an absolute maximum error. So if your sample is truly 100% you should get a distribution of results over multiple measurements that approaches an average of 100% but half the results will be more than 100%. If you were to round your 100.5% based on physical intuition then you would be arbitrarily biasing your results. The range of likely compositions that might be the true answer will be shifted down to a lower percentage. In the case here they are saying that the results of their testing may vary between these results. Most likely it is a significantly smaller range, however there is no need to reject a lot if it deviates above 100%.--Nick Y. (talk) 19:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Technical question

message: "Care should always be taken, and the label should be read carefully.[citation needed]"
/common sense  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.235.101 (talk) 19:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  common sense 

message: Should not the 'citation needed' tag be removed from 'Isopropyl alcohol is oxidized by the liver into acetone.[citation needed]'? As a secondary alcohol, isopropyl alcohol is indeed oxidized into a ketone, which is acetone in this case. Nirmos (talk) 04:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Oxidation

message: I noticed the article does not mention it's method of action at all.  It says it is an antiseptic, but not the method it uses.  My doctor said that it works by dehydration, that is, desiccation--it dries out bacteria thereby killing them.  Can anyone find this information?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darktangent (talk • contribs) 19:18, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Method of Action 

message: Under Physical/Chemical properties , it says "Rubbing alcohol is a cellular, volatile, and flammable liquid." Can anyone clarify what this means? I tried Googling cellular liquids, and found a bunch of nutraceutical stuff with no clear definition of what a cellular liquid is.  I would recommend that this word be deleted from the article if no one can define it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.67.162 (talk) 20:29, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cellular liquid? 

message: Apparently this article at some point in the past made some mention of something beyond rubbing alcohols chemical properties and why it is dangerous to drink it, and there was some debate over the exact wording or some such thing. I don't see that as good reason to remove any mention of the aforesaid subjects from the article however. I come here and I find that it is used as "a topical solution" and that it is either denatured ethanol or isopropyl alcohol. I see its specific gravity and boiling point. I see the indications on why it is unwise to drink it. I do not, however, see any explanation of WHAT they use it for. I know "common sense" says that it is to disinfect, but shouldn't the article make at least brief mention of this? How about some sentence outlining HOW it works to disinfect? Why should I choose alcohol over bleach? I hear that disinfects quite well also. "What is it and what does it do?" ought to be important parts of any article. An encyclopedia should not ASSUME that "everyone knows" that rubbing alcohol is used as a disinfectant (and I don't recall seeing anything other than "topical solution", now that I think about it), and it definitely shouldn't assume we all know how alcohol works to kill germs, since that is what I came here hoping to find..45Colt 02:44, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is it used for, how does it work, etc. 

message: I just deleted part of a sentence which claimed:
"In Ireland and the UK, the equivalent skin preparation is surgical spirit, which is always an ethyl alcohol-isopropyl alcohol mixture."
There is at least one brand ("Care") of Surgical Spirit in the UK which actually consists of 95% (v/v) methylated spirit, and also includes castor oil, methyl salicylate, and diethyl phthalate. Considering that methylated spirit is ethanol and methanol, surgical spirit is not always "ethyl alcohol-isopropyl alcohol mixture". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cog77 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Surgical spirit as sold in the UK (by Boots) is labeled as 96% or more "denatured ethyl alcohol" with "benzalkanium chloride". I think the redirect to rubbing alcohol is misleading. Agingjb (talk) 10:19, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rubbing alcohol vs surgical spirit 

message: In Austro-Hungaria since the middle of the 19 century numerous products were marketed as rubbing-alcohol, by the latin name Spiritus con Menthae. These contained ethyl-alcohol with menthol-oil and salt water (to dilute the solution to the desired alcohol-concentration). You can find more about it in the Hungarian "Sósborszesz" (http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B3sborszesz) article.94.21.93.13 (talk) 12:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  other cultures/countries 

message: As an Australian I had never heard of "rubbing alcohol" other than on labels on bottles in Bugs Bunny cartoons and the like. Hardware merchants and chemists here have no idea what you're talking about. 
Coming across it as an ingredient in wood dye, I needed to know precisely what alternative I could use. It turns out, reading between the lines of this article and others, that "Rubbing alcohol" is a purely US term for common methylated spirits. This article is therefore unhelpful to international readers, so I've put in a "See also" section to guide others as confused as I am. As far as I can see, "Rubbing Alcohol" is no different functionally from Methylated Spirits which is just ethanol with poisonous additives, with only those additives (minor ingredients) varying. Please correct me if I am wrong. Why then shouldn't this article be merged with either Ethanol or Methylated Spirits? Please consider a merge Jamesmcardle(talk) 23:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equivalents in other countries - a merge would be more helpful to international readers 

message: I'm interested in whether rubbing alcohols leave a residue after they evaporate, and especially if the residue is polar/ionic chemicals/minerals, i.e. would interfere with electrical insulating properties of a surface? This information is not readily accessible, asking in case anyone knows. For example, if the water content of alcohols is a byproduct of simple distillation, it would be distilled water; do they add water? would they indicated if they added distilled water? and the bitterants, are they residual? 108.6.235.51 (talk) 02:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:   are bitterants volitile? 70% alcohol and 30% "distilled" water?