Talk:Keep

message: Made some chanegs to this page. More informative, with several links to monuments which support the definition C. Wilson 70.26.11.45 17:13, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: While the "dungeon" has an additional meaning of "prison", the Dungeon article describes the same concept as keep; the articles should be merged. Duja► 08:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: I've added a see also to reach the section on Japanese castle that touches upon the tenshaku, commonly called a "keep" in English. I was hesitant to add any lengthy discussion of the tenshaku to this here article, as it's a primarily European topic, and that's alright... I'm really quite on the fence about whether this is a WP:CSB issue, or whether it's truly a European topic and the fact that a Japanese structure happens to serve a similar purpose is mostly irrelevant. I think this is the best compromise for now... LordAmeth (talk) 00:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tenshaku

message: The article was just moved to Keep (tower) without explanation in the edit summary or a discussion I can find. Certainly there is nothing here. What is the point behind this move? Nev1 (talk) 20:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that there is no apparent reason for this move, and that this article is clearly the primary usage of "Keep".  PamD (talk) 21:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Have reversed the move, so that the fortification, the primary usage, is now once more at Keep. Note that there are >500 incoming links to Keep, all of which would have to be updated if the page was moved. PamD (talk) 22:23, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In fairness to , I can see where they were coming from as in common usage "keep" means to retain possession of something. However, Wikipedia is not a dictionary, so the primary use as far as the encyclopaedia is concerned is that of the fortification. Nev1 (talk) 22:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Move?

message: I've gone through and had a go at expanding the article. I think I've captured the bulk of the French and English literature on the topic, and I think I've got the gist of the German work on this topic. I couldn't find much in Spanish, but I may have been looking in the wrong places. See what you think - it could no doubt use a good copy edit! Hchc2009 (talk) 16:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, you've done  great job! That was awesome to see.--Profitoftruth85 (talk) 07:17, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion... 

message: I've reverted the latest changes, because they're either unreferenced or seem to be running counter to the cited references. In particular:
*Conisborough: As per the reference, Brown describes this keep as a "most striking" instance of a "polygonal keep" (pp.52-53).
*Trim Castle: I've strengthened this with an additional reference to Lise Hull, who calls Trim "cruciform" in design.
*Gaillard: the website you're citing seems to agree with the point made by Liddiard: the keep at Gaillaird has no well. That's what Liddiard says, and the website says that there was one in the enceinte and one in the outside yard - but no mention of one within the keep. 
If you think there's a problem with these, happy to chat further.Hchc2009 (talk) 07:14, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment... 

message: It seems that this article only discusses castles in the UK, Iberia and France. Shouldn't it be expanded to include the rest of Europe? Castles were built all over Europe. Wannabe rockstar (talk) 18:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If there's literature to cover it, yes. But you don't necessarily find keeps built wherever there are castles though; typically the keep was a north-western European phenomenon. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I had a similar thought as what Wannabe rockstar posted but about if fortified buildings in China, India, and Japan, all of which have extensive military histories, included keeps. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:03, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focus only on western Europe? 

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