Talk:2006 civil unrest in San Salvador Atenco

message: I've tagged this article as an NPOV problem because it seems to be written from a very pro-protester point of view. I don't have good enough knowledge of the event to sort it out myself, perhaps someone else could. Cynical 11:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the tag, for lack of backing to the claim. I've reviewed the article, and though the statement of reported fact may shock some people, it is not bias. The wording of a few things could be cleaned up, but we don't need that ugly tag here. Canaen 07:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: All of the information here comes from sources listed, (except some other pieces which are properly cited), and all that needs to be done is for people to go rummaging through the sources, and apply links where citations should be. Most of them tell the same basic story. We could definitely use some larger media sources, though they tend to be more bias. Canaen 07:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The following was added without reference by User:201.134.188.99, and reverted with no reasoning by  User:Digitalme.
=== Atenco's History ===	 
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- 	Anyone in the world understands History has an important factor into actual scenarios. Atenco's experience is not an exception. First of all, it is a histaorical matter. 	 
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- 	During the Aztec Empire, the locals in Atenco were members of "Triple Alliance"; something similar to the allies during World War II. So, people from Atenco were part of Texcoquian territory, and they were members of that Alliance. They always received respect in all situations, the most important their land. 	 
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- 	Spanish arrived to Mexico, conquered the Aztec Empire, but they kept the tradition to keep peace and armony with Texcoquians -including Atenquies, someone from Atenco- due to the facts of resistance as well as people able to keep their land in front of any situation, able to give their lifes for it. 	 
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- 	Independence movement arrived to Mexico, and the new gobernment kept respect to Texcoquians. Even, French intervention had similar attitude. 	 
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- 	Revolutionary times in 1910 had a different perspective because of their main battles were located in North of Mexico. Later, the National Revolutionary Party (Father of PRI) applied a non agretion diplomacy policy with Texcoquians for more than 70 years. 	 
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- 	Unfortunately, the actual Mexico political leaders did not know all these details and the historical situation with Atenquies. Then, several missunderstandings as well as wrong decisions have been applied.''
=== Conclusions ===  	 
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- 	It is very sad for a nation like Mexico, a member of the OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development), having such as kind of social repressions are showing a country where many people can not achieve freedom and respect to their traditions. 	 
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- 	Unfortunately, people like the one named MARCOS, are not able to give solutions to actual needs between several social classes. Neither the Mexico state governor, Enrique Peña-Nieto, nor President Fox and his cabinet, headed by Carlos Abascal. 	''
Most of this is accurate, but lacks sources. I'd prefer to keep it here on the talk page, rather than deleting it alltogether. Canæn 03:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs References 

message: I've removed some wording that I thought was particularly POV, such as "invaded" and "cutting down everyone in their path" in my most recent copy edits  and .
I think the article would be improved by furhter NPOVing some of the material.  What's the official statement of the Mexican government about the events?  I'm certainly willing to discuss the changes I made or other proposed changes.  Also, are you sure that the sources are all WP:RS?  Peace, delldot | talk 19:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd assume that the government either ignored the events, or simply called the FPDT rebels as an excuse to shoot them down; that's what they always do.  Invasion I don't see as POV; it's a simple verb. A hostile force (government cops) came into a community (Atenco), and violence ensued. That's invasion. I really wish folks on Wikipedia would stop considering lies to be NPOV just because they are popular, or because the alternative truths are unpleasant.  Canæn  03:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page still needs NPOVing

message: Much of this page appears to be cut and pasted from this znet article.  Do we have permission to use the material?  Is znet published under the GFDL?  Unfortunately, wikipedia can't used copyrighted material or we might get sued: (See WP:CV).  Sadly, I'm going to have to stub it down until and unless we can get some evidence that we have permission to use the material.  If such evidence already exists, revert me and pardon my flakiness!  Also, please put it here on the talk page.  You are also of course free to rewrite the article in your own words. delldot | talk 16:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I rewrote the intro paragraph in my own words.  If the article does have to stay like this, it's unfortunate, but on the plus side we may be able to remove the NPOV tag if consensus is reached on that.  delldot | talk 16:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: You're right. You can fix it if you want.  Canæn  23:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Hi Rebecca, thanks for pointing that out, it's a tough one.  I don't really know what to do about it other than to alter the wording to avoid the problem. How about taking out "illegally"?  At least till we can find a source that says that it was or wasn't.  By the way, I took the liberty of altering your email address to make it harder for bots that crawl the internet looking for email addresses to find and send you mountains of spam. delldot talk 03:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The CONSTITUCION POLITICA DE LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS MEXICANOS Says 
ARTICULO 33. SON EXTRANJEROS LOS QUE NO POSEAN LAS CALIDADES DETERMINADAS EN EL ARTICULO 30. TIENEN DERECHO A LAS GARANTIAS QUE OTORGA EL CAPITULO I, TITULO PRIMERO, DE LA PRESENTE CONSTITUCION; PERO EL EJECUTIVO DE LA UNION TENDRA LA FACULTAD EXCLUSIVA DE HACER ABANDONAR EL TERRITORIO NACIONAL, INMEDIATAMENTE Y SIN NECESIDAD DE JUICIO PREVIO, A TODO EXTRANJERO CUYA PERMANENCIA JUZGUE INCONVENIENTE. 
LOS EXTRANJEROS NO PODRAN DE NINGUNA MANERA INMISCUIRSE EN LOS ASUNTOS POLITICOS DEL PAIS. Source: http://info4.juridicas.unam.mx/ijure/fed/9/34.htm?s=
This means: Foreigners are those not complying with characteristics determined in Article 30. They have the rights given by Article 1, first paragraph, of this constitution; but the Executive Power of the Union has the exclusive power of expelling from mational territory, inmediately and without trial, every foreigner whose sojourn it deems as inconvenient. 
Foreigners may not, in any way, get involved in political matters pertaining this country.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acoronab (talk • contribs) 21:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyvio?

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