Talk:Russo-Turkish War (1676–1681)

message: Please edit according to the Turkish version of:
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1676-1681_Osmanl%C4%B1-Rus_Sava%C5%9F%C4%B1  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warlordcry (talk • contribs) 15:29, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regulation 

message: Usre:Karak1lc1k  has added "Decisive Ottoman victory" using    this questionable source. This "source" does not state that the Russo-Turkish war 1676-81 was a Decisive Ottoman victory.
"The war of 1676–81. In 1677 a Turkish–Crimean Tatar army invaded and ravaged Right-Bank Ukraine and took the capital, Chyhyryn. The Turks' attempt to retain Chyhyryn was repelled by a Russian-Ukrainian force led by Prince G. Romodanovsky and Hetman Ivan Samoilovych (see Chyhyryn campaigns, 1677–8), and the Turks were forced to retreat. In 1681 the Ottoman Porte, the Crimean Khanate, and Muscovy signed the Treaty of Bakhchesarai, according to which Muscovy had sovereignty over the Hetman state and the Zaporizhia, both sides agreed not to colonize the Southern Ukrainian lands between the Boh River and the Dnister River for 20 years, and Turkey retained control of the southern Kyiv region, the Bratslav region, and Podilia."
Therefore, Karak11c1k's edit is original research. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research by user:Karak1lc1k 

message: An IP has added "Ottoman victory" using Online Britannica as a source, yet according to A Military History of Russia: From Ivan the Terrible to the War in Chechnya, by David R. Stone, page 41, "The indecisive Russo-Turkish War from 1676 to 1681 centered on control of the fortress of Chigririn, just west of the Dnepr River."  --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:06, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research by IP 

message: I sent you the website again where is written it is Otomman victory 
http://dictionnaire.sensagent.leparisien.fr/Russo-Turkish%20War%20(1676%E2%80%931681)/en-en/
Also in Polish, Italian, Türkish Wikipedia it is written Ottoman victory  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historiker123454 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The link where is written Ottoman victory as result in 1676 1681 Russo Turkish War 

message: Hi Kansas Bear 
There are written in other Wikipedia Languages like on Italian, Polish, Türkish, Romanian as Ottoman victory 
Here are the links
On Italian Wikipedia  https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_russo-turca_(1676-1681)
On Polish Wikipedia   https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojna_rosyjsko-turecka_(1674%E2%80%931681)
On Turkish Wikipedia  https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1676-1681_Osmanl%C4%B1-Rus_Sava%C5%9F%C4%B1
On Romanian Wikipedia  https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%83zboiul_Ruso-Turc_(1676%E2%80%931681)
also on French English la pariese site is it written Ottoman victory  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historiker123454 (talk • contribs) 03:20, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hallo 

message: Ottomans captured the Chyhyryn after the war. So why indecisive? It was an Ottoman victory  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnl0g 044 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. Another "new user" stating the same tired argument. Try reading what I have posted. Since clearly you are not interested in what sources state! --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  why indecisive? 

message: Well, acting with WP:GOODFAITH, I'll try to explain the situation. This was not a war in which the Ottoman Empire took Ukraine away from the Russians. In fact, as a result of the Truce of Andrusovo of 1667, Ukraine was divided into the Right Bank (Polish) and the Left Bank (Moscow) parts. But on the right bank was Kiev (now the capital of Ukraine), which Moscow tried to preserve as an important bridgehead (in a political and religious sense), although by agreement the Russians were supposed to cleanse it after two years. Thus, Moscow did not have any rights to the Right-Bank Ukraine, and if it had defeated the Turks, it would have had to violate the terms of the Truce of Andrusovo and fight with Poland. Therefore, for Moscow, the outcome of the war was acceptable - it secured the Left-Bank Ukraine and, moreover, de facto captured Kiev - Poland was too exhausted in the war with the Ottomans to object and soon recognized its transfer to Moscow. The Ottomans could also be happy - they retained their seizures in the Right-Bank Ukraine. In general, both sides received something at the expense of a third party - Poland (but in the subsequent years Poland returned much of the Right-Bank Ukraine). In reality, only the Ukrainian Cossacks lost, who hoped to preserve the unity of the country on both sides of the Dnieper.--Nicoljaus (talk) 09:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whose victory. 

message: I believe there is enough information concerning the result of this war to place "Disputed" for the result in the infobox. Perhaps something like what was done at Battle of Jamrud, whereby we indicate, in a section within the article, what sources state Russian victory, Ottoman victory, and Indecisive(stalemate). ,  --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a good solution. Only this is not a" battle", but a "war".--Nicoljaus (talk) 21:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that. I was trying to get the wording right and was thinking about the Battle of Jamrud. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

text: The Perrie source is actually written by Davies, Perrie is just the editor. Already added to infobox. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:53, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

text: I have moved the information out of the infobox and into the article. If either of you finds more references, feel free to add them. --Kansas Bear (talk) 14:27, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Result of war 

message: I named the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed IV, in the article. Just wanted to be clear, his name is not stated in the source accompanying the text (atleast I tried and couldn't find it), but on the basis of Mehmed ruling in a wide span of year between this war; I think its safe to say that he was "that sultan". Feel free to remove if this isn't concrete evidence. But I think its a safe assumption. Thank you Danial Bass (talk) 11:20, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming the unnamed sultan 

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