Talk:Monza Circuit

message: I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth (on a low resolution photo).--Ciroa 22:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coords

message: I assessed this as Start class, but I believe this strongly could be a B-class article with references. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Following my earnest effort with all the inline citations (from the existing bare URL ELs), I've changed both the F1 and Motorsport Projects from a 'start' to a 'C' class.  I hope this is OK.  But there still needs to be further independent references to make it worthy of a 'B' class.  78.32.143.113 (talk) 07:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment for F1 WikiProject

message: The spelling of the name of this circuit is wrong. The correct spelling is: "Autodromo Nazionale di Monza" (is missing "di", genitive). If no one has concerns, I'll rename it if few days. --Wizard IT (talk) 12:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The circuit's official website spells it as "Autodromo Nazionale Monza", i.e. without the "di", so I suggest we stick with that. DH85868993 (talk) 13:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I suppose it's simply an orthographic mistake. It's fixed now. Elk Salmon (talk) 12:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly, the text on that page refers to the circuit as just "Autodromo di Monza", i.e. without the "Nazionale". So if the article is to be renamed, perhaps that should be taken into account? DH85868993 (talk) 02:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: There is no need to put the article full of citation needed tags, its enough to have refimprove tag in the beginning of section, the article is almost unreadable state at the moment when messed with tags...  --Typ932 T·C 19:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong, I suggest you read the WP:MOS  78.32.143.113 (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you would use some of ur brains... --Typ932 T·C 20:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: <sigh> That was a very constructive and helpful comment! <rolls eyes>  78.32.143.113 (talk) 07:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: as much contsructive as your comment above have you read it by urself? seems not --Typ932 T·C 12:21, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I can only agree with Typ932 about the unreadability of the page. It suffers of over-citations now... --Jollyroger (talk) 17:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The tags are retarded --83.132.34.187 (talk) 03:31, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

text: 78.32 etc. seems to have been banned for edit-warring; I'm going to take the initiative, then, to organize this article.  The same citation doesn't have to appear 3-4 times in the same sentence, especially for trivial things like having a citation for the assertion that the track is in Monza.  Ridiculously unnecessary. Wannabe rockstar (talk) 20:31, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: Being as this article is in the Motorcycle racing WikiProject, there seems to be very little info in the article on how Monza facilitates motorcycle racing.  Perhaps someone from the WikiProject can add further info - there is plenty of info in the already included MonzaNet citations.  78.32.143.113 (talk) 07:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Motorcycle racing

message: I'm starting a new section because the old citations block on this discussion page was fair time ago and sounds like an argument that can't be that productive. All I want to do here is state my opinion and see what comes of it, without the risk of having my head bitten off. Personally, I feel that the 'History' section has far too many citations. I won't argue that citations are necessary, of course they are, but taking the first sentence, nine citations (many of which are duplicates) seems quite excessive. It makes quick reading and scanning of the article more tricky than it should be, looks messy and seems a little facetious. I'd suggest putting all the citations at the end of the relevant sentence - this would clean it up, no information would be lost and using the first sentance as an example, we could lose six duplicated citations without losing information or making it ambiguous. Also, looks at the first sentence of the second paragraph - only two citations (5 and 6) are needed but putting them in after every single fact seems rather silly and excessive. "In 1928, the most serious Italian racing accident to date[5][6] ended in the death of driver Emilio Materassi[5][6] and 27 spectators[5][6] at that year's Grand Prix" could easily be changed to "In 1928, the most serious Italian racing accident to date ended in the death of driver Emilio Materassi and 27 spectators at that year's Grand Prix[5][6]" because all the information in that sentence can be found in those references - highlighting "the most serious Italian racing accident", the death of  Materassi and the deaths of the spectators seperately when the info comes from the same sources seems unnecessary. Anyway, that's just my opinion and suggestion - any thoughts?
FaithHealer1 13:23, 8 September 2010  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.23.49.249 (talk)  
:It does need a citation trim I do agree with you, there are paragraphs with several cites after every clause. Feel free to make the changes, although it is on my mental to-do list when I get the time. QueenCake (talk) 21:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Overuse of Citations?

message: The page lists capacity as 137000. Is that seats, or including SRO? I'm also not sure mentioning it in the very first line is the appropriate place...  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 00:12, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  No replacement for displacement? 

message: The fastest lap of the modern Grand Prix circuit is, according to this video from the official Formula 1 channel, is 1:19.525
Shall we edit this in the infobox?
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw 
Alexsd27 (talk) 16:14, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Qualifying laps have never counted towards lap records. --Falcadore (talk) 09:57, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Thank you. Alexsd27 (talk) 10:49, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Fastest Lap

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It is claimed, that after the 1933 GP the layout was changed and chicanes were added. But the Combined oval/road course version was run from 1955 to 1969, without any chicanes included. So the 10 kilometer version was run up until 1969 as far as I can tell --AndroidOfNotreDame (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track layout 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Dear users, the official name of the circuit includes the "di" (italian for "of"). Look at https://www.monzanet.it/images/content/pages/docs/autodromo-monza-5iDcEifRtuRhDPU.pdf, part of the circuit's official website. You will find an official contractual guideline by the SIAS SpA (the owners of the circuit) clearly indicating the circuit official (and legal) name. At page 3 the first line of the box is headed "Nome della Società e Ragione Sociale" ("Company name and business name"), that is given as "Autodromo Nazionale di Monza", followed by the owner's name ("S.I.A.S. Società Incremento Automobilistico e Sport S.p.A). Quite straightforward. I'm not skilled enough in Wikipedia mechanics to change the article title, is there anybody so kind to do that? All the best and thanks in advance. --Arturolorioli (talk) 12:47, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Thanks to user:Anthony Appleyard. --Arturolorioli (talk) 06:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct name: Autodromo Nazionale di Monza 

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 12:44, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Autodromo Nazionale di Monza →  – The article currently uses WP:OFFICIAL as its title, which is a violation of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH. The commonname is clearly Monza. By moving it to Monza Circuit, that would fix these issues while providing natural disambiguation from the city of Monza. Note we did exactly the same for Imola Circuit last year. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

text: * Stop pinging me in multiple places about this. Cicut isn't correct spelling, missleading isn't a proper word either, so it's hard to take you seriously. Also, this is consistent with other circuit such as Imola and Mugello. We had a proper move discussion and you chose not to participate. If you disagree, you'll need a WP:MOVEREVIEW. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

text: * Also, it's a Wikipedia:Natural disambiguation, which Monza (circuit) is not. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:11, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are reading too much in a capitial letter. Pretending to be official name is not an impression I get and the opening sentence makes it pretty clear what the official name is SSSB (talk) 15:26, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 6 May 2021 

message: This seriously needs a clean-up. Way too many championship and it's loaded up with WP:RECENTISM. Monza is 100 years old. Series like Formula 2 and Formula 3, who exist only as ladder categories for Formula One are not major events. You can't be a major event when you don't have an identity or calendar separate from Formula One.
Major Events is about the most important events in Monza's 100 year history, not what is on the calendar for 2022. --Falcadore (talk) 14:30, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Apeiro94 I removed GT World Challenge and 24H Series as considering the 90+ year history of the circuit a regional second and third tier GT Championship are not major despite being headline series of their events. 24H series is strictly amateur in it's competitors and struggles with entry numbers at many events. --Falcadore (talk) 00:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I can try to compromise as much as I can. OK, let's consider 24H Series is rather amateur series, and not put it into the major events section. Maybe, the same can be considered for the International GT Open too. But GT World Challenge is SRO Motorsports Group's series, and it is more professional than these other GT3 series, and it is the successor of FIA GT Championship and FIA GT1 World Championship. So, I will put it into the infobox again. And I can also agree for not putting the future events into the infobox. But, I still do not agree for not indicating the exact years for the series in the current events. Maybe it can be discussed in there: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Formula_One Apeiro94 (talk) 05:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Events