Talk:South Australian Legislative Council

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The referendum in 2010 - opinions? Does somebody want to expand beyond the little bit of Rann quote I put there? Timeshift
:I've expanded slightly. As it approaches, I suspect the referendum should get its own page. Rocksong 12:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've done that. I've removed the distinction between the start and end of 2002-2006, because nothing really changed. Terry Cameron had left Labor before the 2002 election, and the two vacancies (ALP Terry Roberts' death, Liberal Angus Redford resigning to contest the lower house) were only not filled because parliament wasn't sitting, so are of no real interest any more. Rocksong 00:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

message: How long does it typically take for hansard to be uploaded? This time yesterday, 29/08/06 was up, but 30/08/06 (where Kanck referred to methods of suicide) has not been uploaded yet. Timeshift 05:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why everyone is making such a fuss of both Kanck's folly and the subsequent newspaper beatup. Kanck's in it for a publicity stunt, and the media's in it because they're so devoid of real news. michael talk 06:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Timeshift 06:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hansard

message: Does anyone know if Labor has selected the upper house equivalent of speaker? Not having much luck finding anything so far. The lower house was announced ages ago. Timeshift (talk) 12:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upper house president...? 

message: I've always believed what Antony Green says... "between 1941 and 1973, every Legislative Council election returned 2 Labor members to 8 for the Liberal Country League". So a total of 4 Labor/16 LCL. But when I look at, for example, Members of the South Australian Legislative Council, 1959–1962 or Members of the South Australian Legislative Council, 1968–1970, there's 5 Labor MLCs listed. Can anyone explain the discrepancy? Timeshift (talk) 03:52, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't speak to the overall accuracy of Green's statement, but he is correct about those two: there are five members listed for each because Labor MPs died or resigned mid-term and were replaced in by-elections: in the first one, Condon died and Kneebone won the by-election, and in the second, Bevan resigned and Casey won the by-election. The Drover's Wife (talk) 05:22, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad choices on my part. Members of the South Australian Legislative Council, 1970–1973? Members of the South Australian Legislative Council, 1944–1947? Timeshift (talk) 05:48, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The first was an error on my part (Jessie Cooper was LCL but incorrectly listed as Labor). The second appears to be an error on Green's. James Beerworth won the normally conservative seat of Northern District in 1939 and was re-elected in 1941, but there was still only four Labor MPs until 1944 because of independent Joseph Anderson holding a normally safe Labor seat in Central District No. 1. Labor regained Anderson's seat in 1944, and thus had five until Beerworth lost in 1947. The Drover's Wife (talk) 06:12, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification. Timeshift (talk) 06:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical MLC numbers 

message: The infobox had Xenophon Team as 'independent', while the table had them as Xenophon Team. Are we counting them as ind or not? Timeshift (talk) 02:47, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Parliament has Darley as independent. The listing current MPs as NXT thing is OR on Wikipedians' part as far as I'm concerned. The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not taking sides here, i'm just looking for consistency, but I suspect the parliament website labels Darley as independent by default as there's no Xenophon party in the state political party register. Does this mean all unregistered parties and their candidates and/or MPs should be labelled with the same "independent" brush and nothing more? Just generating a dialogue. Timeshift (talk) 04:05, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There functionally is no such thing as an unregistered party with an MP due to the registration rules. Sometimes it takes the MP a couple months to get their shit together (e.g. Aidan McLindon and The Queensland Party) or sometimes they get elected for an unregistered party and then sit as an independent (e.g. Janet Woollard), but otherwise, if they're an MP and a member of a party they'll sit as it. We already do label unregistered candidates as independent or ungrouped, because that's what they appear as on the ballot paper, and just make a note of the unregistered affiliation somewhere. Also, note that Xenophon is still formally an independent even though NXT are federally registered. The Drover's Wife (talk) 04:30, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. It's all very unsatisfying ambiguous. Timeshift (talk) 04:42, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The next federal election, I suspect, will clarify the issue one way or another. Frickeg (talk) 01:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xenophon 

message: I have been reading some more and discovering how little of the SA Legislative Council is covered in Wikipedia. We have an article for each "general election", but not all of them mention the legislative council at all, even though as far as I have determined so far, most of the 20th century ones did. There were also a number of LC-only elections which don't seem to have articles at all (and I haven't seen red links to confirm the naming convention).
The to-do list I have come up with so far is
*Expand the history in South Australian Legislative Council 
* Create each of the district articles
** Central District (South Australian Legislative Council) (1885-1913) 
** North-Eastern District (South Australian Legislative Council) (1885-1910) 
** Northern District (South Australian Legislative Council) (1885-1975) 
** Southern District (South Australian Legislative Council) (1885-1975) 
** Midland District (South Australian Legislative Council) (1910-1975)  (redirected to North-Eastern)
** Central District No. 1 (South Australian Legislative Council) (1913-1975) 
** Central District No. 2 (South Australian Legislative Council) (1913-1975) 
**context
**Description of geography
**table of representatives
*Wikilink every mention of the districts to the articles
**Members
**Elections
**Lists of members of the LC
* Ensure that each general election article mentions the LC as well as the House if it was for both houses
*Create an election article for each stand-alone LC election
**Add LC elections to   
***Some general elections don't mention the LC, and 1906 claims to have been a double dissolution but the LC did not change (I think it's wrong - 1902 was a DD)
*Complete the table in List of South Australian Legislative Council by-elections
* Various constitution amendments to give effect to the changes
**Electoral Act 1861 is not really needed for this project, but might be for tracking the Assembly districts 
**Electoral Districts Act 1872
**Constitution Act Further Amendment Act 1881
**Constitution Act Amendment Act, 1901
** Constitution Amendment Act 1908 (redistribute/restructure districts, renamed North-Eastern to Midland)
**Constitution Act Further Amendment Act 1913 (Assembly boundaries redrawn, numbers elected changed, split Central Districts into No. 1 and No. 2)
**Constitution and Electoral Acts Amendment Act 1973 (a single electoral district again, 22 members)
* Add party affiliations to district member lists
I have started a couple of these tasks, and discovered that AutoWikiBrowser wasn't quite as helpful as I had hoped it would be for the bulk updates. --Scott Davis Talk 22:01, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm really glad you're taking all of this on - it's been a long time but I remember finding the vagaries of the Legislative Council extremely confusing back when I was doing a lot of work in this area, even for working out things like term dates. You probably won't find any red links to the LC-only elections - if anyone put these kind of red links in it was probably me and I didn't even know they existed until you pointed it out! The Drover's Wife (talk) 04:07, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I finally got round to looking harder than just wondering why I hadn't already seen it on Wikipedia. I will probably name the links (and perhaps eventual articles) "South Australian Legislative Council election, <year>" which avoids the question of whether it was a province or a state at the time, and distinguishes them from general elections which include (or are only for) the lower house. Some of the general election articles don't even mention the upper house (I have not looked at the article history - that is not a personal criticism of whoever did all the work to create the articles). It seems to be a lot easier because of Dean Jaensch's research work being available online, and even that admits to having some gaps he could not fill! --Scott Davis Talk 08:22, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

text: District articles are now all created and lists of members included. A few of them could benefit from a bit more history and geography, and I have not assigned any of the members to parties as the source I was using didn't include them in the same tables. --Scott Davis Talk 00:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Project goals

message: 9 Labor, 8 Lib, 2 Green, 2 SA-BEST and 1 One Nation have been confirmed as per ABC. Jacsam2 (talk) 05:17, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update graphic and seat totals post-2022 election? 

message: This page needs updating in light of this year's election results which are now available here.
You're welcome to remove this section once the update has been made.
1.127.105.202 (talk) 18:06, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  2022 Update