Talk:Homicide

message: There are many different -icide and -cide suffixes based on who is being killed. For example, the -cide page at Wiktionary has quite a comprehensive list. Should we really add every one on this page? Perhaps just adding ones that have their own distinct articles on Wikipedia. To further this, I've added Tyrannicide.
--Tpk5010 (talk) 20:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "-cide" seems to be latein for "murder". "Hom" is probably from "homo" = human. Pest-i-cide murderer of bugs, spray can and so on.89.1.181.204 (talk) 08:52, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: -icide suffixes

message: I just created a new page on Familicide but it quickly became a candidate for speedy deletion due to its limited, dictionary-definition content.  It is my wish that the psychology and crime scholars among you help me expand the article's content so that it will no longer be considered beneath Wikipedia standards.  Thank you. J.A.McCoy 00:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Familicide

message: It seems that at least two people keep replacing this article with one about a pro wrestler, even though we already have an article about him, a disambig page, and a note at the top of the current article. I reverted the page and noted this in the edit summary. WindAndConfusion 06:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: nor is the legal justification of necessity a defense.
IIRC correctly, that is a serious misunderstanding, and the reality is that lack of a reasonable belief that the killing was necessary is the reason that the defense is seldom successful.  I've no reference one way or the other, so i've left the article noncommital. 
BTW, there's not a special burden of proof on the defendant for any of these defenses, is there? Jerzy(t) 22:22, 2004 Apr 14 (UTC)
-- it was my understanding that the 'justifiable homicide' school of reasoning was essentialy "genre-relevant"-- otherwise,
in what instances is it really reasonable to rationalize murder?  supposing that the term is an accurate one-- then it is
necessary to consider specifically what is meant by this rationalization-- it is rather explicit in practice.  it is one
thing to suppose, as for instance, in some 'war games' scenarios-- that actions warrant the considerations as being
justifiable-- in part, it is possible to think so because of the limitations that are imposed 'by genre', but does the
same sort of reasoning apply in other situations? --01010101  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:333E:1F0:1919:BC3D:DCC6:FD43 (talk) 02:22, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: vandalism

message: There's something in Indian law called "culpable homicide not amounting to murder". There's already a link to culpable homicide in Union Carbide. I made culpable homicide redirect here, but it should probably redirect to manslaughter in case the two are the same thing referred to by different names in different countries. Paddu 04:39, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Culpable homicide

message: Seems like this page could do with some nice formatting like in the Suicide article.  The side-bar with the different types of suicide, etc., looks very appropriate for this page. No time right now.  Isoxyl 15:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Format

message: That's what the table on the right shows. Is homicide defined explicitly with respect to "another" human being? Wikipedia brown 03:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A good question - the definition needs changing to cover suicide if this is the case, otherwise the article and template needs to change. Similar is genocide - the definition says it is the killing of another human being, not a whole race or human beings. We need some clarity over this matter. Richard001 22:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Genocide is covered since it is the killing of lots of other people, although it can include other aspects other than killing. The only controversial thing about suicide is the definition of killing another human. It could simply say killing "a" human, and suicide would be included. In the end, however, i don't think it matters much one way or another.Mneumisi 19:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just looked up "homicide" on dictionary.com and it says "another". Therefore suicide doesn't belong on the list of types of homicide (if it did, the suicide page would require some non-trivial modification). I am going to remove suicide from the list. Please discuss here if you feel differently. Wikipedia brown 02:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This is partly a New World / Old World thing. The Encyclopædia Britannica 1903 edition at Page 125 clearly states "Felonious homicide includes Suicide, Manslaughter, and Murder", however since suicide was de-criminalised that is no longer true in much of the First World (the Felonious part that is). Coroners still do not rule out a possibility of suicide when they make a finding of homicide. I think the most helpful thing would be an entry to say that suicide was formerly considered to be homicide but such usage is now regarded as archaic. That is sufficiently wishy-washy to please everyone I hope. And cite Encyclopædia Britannica 1903 edition as a reference.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.102.33 (talk) 13:39, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Homicide and murder are not the same thing.  Murder is a criminal act, homicide is not.  Homicide just means that someone contributed to or caused a death. It does not imply wrongdoing like murder does.  The article needs to be redone  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.136.200 (talk) 09:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is suicide a type of homicide? 

message: What is the correct term if you murder your family? Lewisbell 09:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Parricide seems the closest from the list. By the way, please use a more descriptive title for headings (I've changed it from 'question'. Richard001 02:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if this article was around last year: Familicide. --Eliyak T·C 19:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder of one's own family 

message: No one yet responded to my comment on the template talk page, so I thought I'd post here. What about adding a section to the template called "Disputed Homicide", or "Debatable Homicide", or some such, and listing abortion under it? It is significant that the entire "Pro-Life" stance bases its position on the claim that people are alive and human from the moment of conception, and they argue that science is on their side just as much as the "Pro-Choice" stance does. If a significant portion of the population considers it homicide—even while a different significant portion doesn't consider such—then it at least needs some sort of acknowledgment. -BaronGrackle 16:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is technically homicide (they are human beings; the controversy is over personhood); the question is whether or not it's justifiable homicide. 75.118.170.35 (talk) 21:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Abortion is homicide, by definition.  The simple English language dictionary definition of homicide is one human killing another.  There is a simple, clear, straight line between what the word means, and what the act does.  It isn't even debatable. Major165 (talk) 19:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding abortion to the template

message: What would be the term, by US law, for performing an action (or failing to perform an action) which indirectly resulted in the death of another?
For example, not calling emergency services in a situation where it was needed and thus causing the death of someone who could otherwise be saved. Or, interfering with the medical treatment of a person resulting in death.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.69.228.17 (talk) 06:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding types of homicides 

message: The following sounds like gibberish to me.  I've read it several times, and can't figure it out.  How can facts be mistakes?--345Kai (talk) 02:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  request for rewording 

message: refers to the act of a human divulging a human being.[1] A common form of homicide, for example, would be eating. It can also describe a person who has committed such an act, though this use is rare in modern English. Homicide is not always an illegal act, so although "homicide" is often used as a synonym for "eating", this is not formally correct.
Divulging? Eating? What are we talking about here? Seriously, just stay off of the edit page if you have no idea what you are talking about... 24.88.96.186 (talk) 01:02, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a TERRIBLE lead 

message: Has state sanctioned homicide outside a states'boundaries been considered in this article(during "peace" time)? Homicide conducted by spies and drones, and so forth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.108.204.82 (talk) 23:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  State sanctioned Homicide 

message: Homicide is any killing of a human by another human.  The sections in this article seem to exclude criminal homicide.
    * 1 Non-criminal homicide
    * 2 State-sanctioned homicide
    * 3 See also
    * 4 References
Here are the categories I learned in 7th grade civics class a long time ago:
#  Justifiable
#  Accidental
#  Involuntary manslaughter
#  Voluntary manslaughter
#  Murder
State-sanctioned is a good addition, but why does this article omit the various culpability levels of criminal homicide?  It presents the mistaken belief that murder and homicide are mutually exclusive when they are not.  Every killing is a homicide.  Thundermaker (talk) 12:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing categories:  Criminal homicide, Accidental homicide 

message: While there are cases when causing the termination of a pregnancy can be defined as homicide, obtaining an abortion is not usually one of them. Termination caused by an unlawful act (such as assault or murder of a pregnant woman) can sometimes be prosecuted as homicide, depending on location and/or stage of pregnancy. If fetal personhood is to be included in this article it would require expanding upon these points to maintain WP:NPOV. Referring to abortion as the state-sanctioned "killing" of a fetus is not proper here. I'm not sure referring to abortion as "legal homicide" is any more correct. Both seem to be different ways of saying "abortion is murder". Assuming good faith, I've removed the sentence on the basis of inaccuracy and possible non-neutrality.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ongepotchket (talk • contribs) 18:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: By definition, abortion is homicide.  The simple English dictionary definition of homicide is one human killing another, or one person killing another.  The simple English dictionary definition of a person is an individual human.  Bottom line is that homicide involves one human killing another human.  Some metaphysical contortion of "personhood" is irrelevant.  Legal or not is irrelevant.  Intent is irrelevant.  By definition, the word homicide perfectly describes the act of abortion. Major165 (talk) 19:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed abortion. 

message: I have recently been met with criticism for the edits I have made to this article.  Let me explain.
I don’t need to prove that abortion is a homicide.  Homicide means a human killing another human.  Since a human fetus is a human by definition, and induced abortion is always performed by another human, abortion is homicide by elementary logic.  Common sense should prevail here.
By adding abortion to the state sanctioned homicide section I am merely providing the reader with the full spectrum of instances in which homicide is a lawful action.  It should be understood that abortion invokes religious, moral, and ethical questions that neither science nor religion can answer.  Neither side of the abortion debate should try and misuse the English language in order to advance it’s agenda.  I ask that everyone who reads this cooperate in creating a Wikipedia that provides information completely, truthfully, and in an unbiased way.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seraph2005 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Are these fetuses given death certificates? (I don't know) This is a legal aspect which might substantiate your claim. When a person is put to death by capital punishment, homicide is listed on the death certificate as the cause. In any event, you will need citations from reliable sources to establish that it is legally homicide.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 02:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, at the moment, you seem to be advocating this point-of-view, as described in WP:SOAP, so you will get nowhere fast. If you have a reference(s) WP:RS ...then we can consider it as per WP:UNDUE. Widefox (talk) 02:54, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

text: According to the article, "Homicide is the act of a human killing another human." This definition doesn't depend on any "legal aspect".  Requiring citations of abortion being "legally homicide" are not relevant. 99.22.208.127 (talk) 00:20, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true, homicide is the act of killing another human. Now you need a reference that a fetus is actually human, and not an internal parasite with the potential to become human - after it emerges from its host. - Boneyard90 (talk) 13:26, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you just call yourself internal parasite? Oh, God... 89.1.181.204 (talk) 08:57, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

text: A fetus is not a parasite.  A parasite is defined as a separate species.  Sexual reproduction among mammals does not produce parasites.  It produces offspring.  A zygote,embryo, fetus are human.  100%, completely individual members of the genus Homo, therefore the definition of the word homicide fits perfectly with the act of abortion. Major165 (talk) 19:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Abortion is a medical procedure, and not appropriate for this page. I suggest we all think long and hard before opening the can of worms on this politically charged issue. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:38, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Lethal injection is also a medical procedure, but nobody disputes that it is homicide.  I agree the abortion issue is a can of worms; however, it might be one that WP policies require we deal with.  WP:POV indicates a POV can be covered if it has prominent adherents.  The feticide article claims that most states have defined feticide as a form of homicide, and (in my own POV) abortion is permissible feticide.  Homicide is mentioned at abortion; I think we should mention the controversy here but keep the bulk of coverage there.  Thundermaker (talk) 15:39, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Medical procedure or not is irrelevant.  Definition is what matters.  By definition, abortion is homicide.  That is its exact purpose. Major165 (talk) 19:18, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Abortion need to legally be defined as homicide otherwise it is misleading. Assuming that a fetus is a human being and not a lump of meat is wrong. A fetus does not show any sign of human behavior, nor bear any physical similarities to a born human. The fetus is still "wanna-be" human at most, but not "human". Also - "abortion as homicide" would have to be divided in to countries, since not all countries agree with the notion that abortion is homicide. To force this opinion upon everybody, using an international media to make it a "standard", is also wrong...49.230.87.58 (talk) 04:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not misleading, given the definition of the word "homicide".  The argument is not that a legal term of homicide is being used here.  It is the simple, dictionary definition of the English word "homicide". Major165 (talk) 18:02, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

text: It is homicide, you are correct. But it is also factor if its unlawful, murder can be penalized, ignored or encouraged by law. 89.1.181.204 (talk) 08:55, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Legality comes under the heading of justifiable or unjustifiable and that consideration depends upon the prevailing law. Major165 (talk) 19:20, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abortion is Homicide 

message: Chimp homicides occur most frequently in groups with the most adult males, when Chimps show lethal side; or is that some other -cide?? --Pawyilee (talk) 17:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they used the word homicide in that context to refer to same-species killing, which is more broad than the subject of this article.  Thundermaker (talk) 15:45, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Homicide does not refer to same-species killing in any sense.  It refers to an act of killing within the genus Homo. Major165 (talk) 19:22, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chimp-icide 

message: I don't see why double murder has its own page. Nothing is presented that shows it to be different from homicide, other than the number of victims. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're advocating that Double murder should be merged into this article, I concur. Boneyard90 (talk) 07:16, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed that's what I'm advocating. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely not into this one, if we have murder?! Littledogboy (talk) 14:16, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the merging of Double murder into this article. Megahmad (talk) 19:32, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

text: If we have "double murder" then we would also need "triple" then "quad" and so on... When will it stop? A murder is a murder no matter the amount of victims.49.230.87.58 (talk) 04:19, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Double murder]] 

message: There are some publiactions that suggest that homicide has been considered immoral (almost) universally, (even when it is legally ok, like in war). For example a large database was collected of historical and present legislation which seems to indicate that very many if not all societies have considered homicide as immoral. (see http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1573194). I believe that this should be mentioned in this article.88.195.243.29 (talk) 11:22, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that paper supports your assertion that legal homicides are usually considered immoral.  Law is IMHO adequately covered in this article, though improvements are welcome.  Findings concerning morality might fit in better in the morality article.  Thundermaker (talk) 08:52, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah,  I was just trying to suggest that this might be an interesting "contextualizing" thing to mention somewhere in an encyclopedia, perhaps right in the intro. It just happens to be the case that almost all societies with laws have explicitly forbidden homicide on grave penalty. Personally, if I think about homicide and things related to it, then this would be probably the most interesting thing about it at all 88.195.243.29 (talk) 11:29, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  universal norm against homicide 

message: Please fix the pictures in the article so they don't leave a giant white space on desktop, in accordance with WP:printable IronMaidenRocks (talk) 16:37, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giant white space 

message: Add a section about the ethicality of homicide? Could talk about different standards for the wrongness of killing that philosophers hold, how different ethical theories explain the impermissibility (or permissibility) of killing, etc. Not sure if this topic has already been covered somewhere else, but if it has, there should at least be an easy-to-find link that directs there. --Joeyp7 (talk) 14:47, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethicality of homicide 

message: I have removed the flag, globalize|reason=that this article only discusses homicide in the USA, set in March 2023 by @81.153.20.205 because I think it is inappropriate, not justified. Maybe certain sections are not enough globalized; in that case the flag should be adapted to that particular section.  The section of rates is exemplary. Wuerzele (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed flag, that article only discusses homicide in the USA 

message: please fill in the refs that you added with your image. They are currently just errors. -- Fyrael (talk) 17:57, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing refs