Talk:Blind Ambition (Family Guy)

message: # The title "Blind Ambition" is most notably a book written by John Dean who was White House Counsel for Richard Nixon. Dean's testimony before a Senate committee disclosed the plumbers, the secret tapes, etc. Huge. The book's title is surely the antecedent to cultural follow-ons, whether called "Blind Ambition", "Blonde Ambition", etc. The 1979 film was based on this book, for example. Yes, it's odd that no one has yet written a WP article. When someone does, it will seem even odder that a TV episode has taken priority over the vastly more historically important book. Hult041956 16:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: *1. Since you know so much about the book, why not make an article about it? TheBlazikenMaster 17:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: in reply to

message: #Per above. TheBlazikenMaster 16:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: From the last section:
When Stewie crashes into a tree, he see's Snap, Crackle and Pop, fictional characters create by Kellogs' Rice Krispies for promotional purposes, plotting against their enemies. Crack and Pop are later shown sitting in The Drunken Clam, talking about how there plan failed, and imply that Snap was killed during the battle with the elfs.[9]
I think if someone would review the episode, the characters Stewie sees plotting in the tree are supposed to be parodies of the Keebler Elves, who are making plans to attack the Krispies Kids. Crackle and Pop are later seen in the bar, dealing with the shock of the sneak attack by the elves and lamenting the death of Snap. While TV.com has been mentioned previously in this Talk article as being an unreliable source, the TV.com page on this episode and the relevant Family Guy Wikia article agree on this.
Twfarlan 20:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stewie in the tree

message: This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write.  This is how the article, as of November 6, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: Article is well written.  Passes here.
:2. Factually accurate?: Sourced to (11) sources.  However, please go back and format all of the citations using WP:CIT.  It'll just add a little something to the piece, and it's not that hard to do.
:3. Broad in coverage?: Good coverage, overall, however please expand the Lead/Intro.  You should have at least one sentence or so that summarizes the Reception, and Cultural references subsections.
:4. Neutral point of view?: Article is written with neutral wording, passes here.
:5. Article stability? Some anon edits, just keep an eye on this to make sure it is constructive.  Also, some relatively heated discussion on the talk page - However, this seems to be resolved at the moment, and it seems like there is some more collaboration going on, which is great.
:6. Images?: One image, fair use, rationale provided on the image page.  Passes here.
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved.  After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again.  If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice.  Thank you for your work so far.— Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 05:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, cheers Kurt. I'll take a look at this in a couple of hours. Cheers, Qst 10:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's the first Family Guy GA :). Cheers, Qst 17:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And not the last. Peter Griffin needs to be improved. I would bother doing it myself, but I don't know what Google results I can trust. TheBlazikenMaster 17:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll add it to my list (I will do it, sometime), but I'm going to be busy over these next few months with trying to get the season 5 episodes to GA status, but I will get round to it. Qst 17:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article nomination on hold

message: This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, MASEM 19:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps (Pass)

message: Why wasn't the fight with Ernie, the giant chicken in the plot summary. I feel that's an important part of the episode.Toolazy21 (talk) 23:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is mentioned in the production section, but it is not in the plot, as it would make it to in-detail and excessive, IMO. Qst (talk) 17:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicken

message: Hi, as discussed on your talk page, I will be copyediting and commenting on the prose used in the article. What I will do is copyedit the article myself and highlight differnt issues that come up here so problems and solutions can be paired up. As mentioned elsewhere, sourcing and formatting are absolutely fine.
Lead
*"“Blind Ambition” is the third episode of season four of Family Guy. The episode broadcast on May 15, 2005." - These opening sentences are a case where two related sentences are not connected up, resulting in a stiled experience for a reader, a little like reading a list in prose form. The solution is simple: "“Blind Ambition” is the third episode of season four of Family Guy, first broadcast on Fox on May 15, 2005." This has lengthened the sentence, connected the subjects and added a little bit more information to make a more reader-friendly sentence.
*"Peter swallows an excessive number of nickels, becoming blind and unknowingly saving Horace from a fire at The Drunken Clam. Meanwhile, Quagmire is forced to refrain from his usual sexual behavior or risk being removed from the neighborhood." - The second "section" of the lead suffers from almost the opposite problem as that effecting the lead: The thoughts are not so closely related and therefore need further seperation. This can be achieved by adding a small amount of detail that more clearly summarises the cause and effect within the plot. It is also important to emphasise that these events take place in a fictional setting. Finally it is important to remember that some people who come to this article may never have heard of Family Guy and will need to be gently introduced, so characters and behaviour that may be obvious to fans of the show to be explained in more simple terms. i.e. "In the episode, Peter swallows an excessive number of nickels, causing him to become blind. He later recovers his sight and becomes a hero after unwittingly saving Horace the bartender from a fire at his bar, The Drunken Clam. Meanwhile, Quagmire is forced to refrain from perverse sexual behavior or risk being driven out of the neighborhood following his arrest for spying in a ladies lavatory."
*The extension of the plot in the lead allows the lead to be broken into two paragraphs which, while not strictly necessary does enable the clear seperation of themes and production information given in the lead from, the plot. This also coincides with the preferred number of paragraphs in the lead under the MOS.
*Second paragraph - as before, this was about providing a little more context to identify the interesting points about the episode in a summary fashion without becoming too complicated for a reader with no background knowledge. I won't go through it as it is on similar principles to the first paragraph.
Plot
*The same problems as above here and so I won't go over them here again in future, but to run over it in this section, "At the bowling alley, Mort Goldman bowls a 300 game and becomes an overnight celebrity. When Lois arrives to pick Peter and his friends up, she goes to the toilet, but is interrupted by Quagmire, who is spying on her from the ceiling." - The first and second sentence seem to have little in common, because the subject of the first sentence is actually related to the subject of the second paragraph, not the first. I will try reversing them to see if it looks better. Secondly, the information in the second paragraph could be presented in a clearer way, for example: "At the bowling alley, Lois discovers Quagmire spying on her from the ceiling of the ladies bathroom."
*I have rewritten the plot, cutting out a small amount of material but mainly just rephrasing in a more succinct and simple way. The principle behind this, is that if the relevant information can be portrayed in fewer words while still making sense, then it should be. Thus redundancy is reduced and explanation shortened.
Cultural references
*Although I have tidied the prose in this section as discussed above, the important thing here is organisation. Other than the bit about guest stars that I pulled from the lead, there is nothing new here, its just been reorganised. Now the cultural references are in two paragraphs that seperate movies and TV references, giving each a theme with which to build a more coherent paragraph.
(By the way, if I change any American spellings to British ones it is not deliberate and I apologise, please change them back).--Jackyd101 (talk) 00:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to apologize, I use American English, so let me worry about the British spellings. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 01:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Prose review

message: The section is supported by very few reviews, and in reality, the section is the most important, as it shows us that it was noticed by others, that it got critical reception, and that it was worth mentioning. Without a stronger reception section, it could be merged, and of course demoted from GA status. Please fix; I'm no inclusionist, but episodes should also hold themselves up to a certain standard. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception section sorely lacking 

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