Talk:Jesse Itzler

message: As the author of the article, I am willing to let this one be removed from Wikipedia, due to my lack of knowledge of the subject.  My original intent was to provide a point of reference for several of the songs from the album - in particular Shake it like a White Girl and College Girls.  I seem to be ineffectie at writing Wikimarkup, and couldn't figure out how to do reference effectively.  But regardless, I am unsure of the importance of the sources.
If anyone can find a good reason to keep this article on Wikipedia, I would like to invite them to improve it.
I am, as I mentioned, prepared to let this point of reference be removed, and would like to apologize if I have taken up the editors' time.  Thank you all.
Jlennon314 20:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: The material I removed here is obviously inappropriate for Wikipedia. Google search results do not pass the reliable sources criteria. Other sections were entirely unsourced or original research, which is a no-go, especially in a biography of a living person. Other sources given do not contain the information attributed to them, and some don't even mention Itzler at all, which is original research. As this is a BLP it is necessary that the article be free of that kind of thing.--Cúchullain t/c 13:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The material I removed was all either unsourced or poorly sourced. On Google, Google search results are never reliable sources, regardless of what they're for. If you want to include that material, it must be attributed to a reliable, published source or it can't be used. You say it's an "important and non trivial note about this song" that it is often mislabelled; if this is the case surely there is an actual source out there saying that. And no, don't add the controverted material back into the article. If you continue edit warring you are very likely to be blocked from editing.--Cúchullain t/c 16:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify a bit, some of the sources do say that MP3s were mislabeled in file sharing. However, none of them say that this song specifically was mislabeled. As such it is effectively synthesis of published material, as it uses sources to advance a position not directly stated in those sources.--Cúchullain t/c 16:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Again, you'd need to find a source that specifically says that "College Girls" was frequently mislabeled, or else it's still original research. If you can't find such a source, we can't include the information.--Cúchullain t/c 17:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what Nophone is getting at is the fact that it is the search results themselves which often return the mis-labeling.  This isn't exactly something that can be "cited" as much as it can be witnessed by simply doing a search on one's own via google/et al, newsgroups and download sites.  The only thing that is "citable" per say is the factual information of the artist and the song - but that does nothing to clarify that the numerous mis-applications of information are out there. There really does have to be a way to state this, without it necessitating a strict citation. Srobak (talk) 23:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There's really not. All challenged material needs to be attributed to a reliable, published source. If the fact that this song was frequently mis-attributed is really notable, some reliable source would have mentioned it.--Cúchullain t/c 13:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

text: I don't know how else to say it. The verifiability policy is quite clear: if there's not a reliable, published source stating this piece of information directly, it does not belong in Wikipedia. That is both the letter and the spirit of the policy.--Cúchullain t/c 13:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

text: so what then? can we make a stub specifically for his musical career? because his musical careers wiki page was removed and combined with this one, but the info about his musical career (songs, albumbs, and reception) need not be subjected the same scrutiny as the biographical information.  ::Nophone:::  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.203.93.90 (talk) 03:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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