Talk:Digger (soldier)

message: I don't think that it still qualifies as "slang" - not since ... oh ... about 50 years ago. Also, it should be at digger, and the no-one-ever-heard-of-it computer game at Digger (computer game) or some such. Tannin 12:39, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There's also the diggers (ANZAC) to consider (digger had once been a redirect to the Diggers disambig page).  It's only marginally better than this article. Geoff/Gsl 22:26, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Slang

message: On the Diggers (True Levellers) there is a statement "ANZAC troops in World War I were known as Diggers" on 25 September (today) user "213.130.244.29" added  "this was a mark of respect for the gold diggers who took part in the Eureka Stockade" I have removed it and asked for a source. Is there any source which verifys this additional statement? Philip Baird Shearer 12:12, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard this one.  The ANZACs says "it had been used among the miners in some units but it was from the New Zealanders, who took it from their country's gum-diggers, that the Australians adopted the term." Geoff/Gsl 08:58, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You can find numerous references of English immigrants and visitors using "digger" to refer generally to any Australian minor or labourer in the letters of the late 1800's. I doubt it has much to do with Peter Lawler and gang. More likely the name was in such common usage that it just carried over. 121.209.86.115 (talk) 08:37, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Eureka Stockade

message: I've removed this article from that category. The label digger doesn't really embody the nation as such, in teh way that America's Uncle Sam or France's Marianne does. It appears to be an embodiment of an ideal soldier rather than the nation itself. Rhialto 07:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not a national personification

message: I have removed the Longmore claim as it did not quote a source.  I put that note there ages back and put the source but its been removed.  In the interim I spoke with a West Australian Professor who records that stuff who had other to add, plus I then found more online.  The Longmore claim ended up as mishmash that is being erroneously cut and pasted elsewhere online.  I have some books ordered that will verify it all.  Johneen Treanor Jones - Gundagai  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.225.56 (talk) 12:45, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your removal of that information. I could be wrong, but I don't believe that Australian troops trained in the UK before going to Gallipoli, so that is most likely incorrect. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 00:01, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

text: G'day again, I look forward to seeing what you come up with. The article could do with a bit of work. Thank you for your enthusiasm. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 09:59, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: G'day, I've had a go at adding some sources. In the process, I found a reference for the Longmore claim, so I put it in again. Happy to discuss if you want. There is still plenty more that could be added, so please feel free to do so. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 07:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Longmore Claim

message: Hi Rupert.  So just what is your Longmore 'digger' reference?  I read what you put several times but there seems not to be a defined reference.  You need to put the actual reference in and note the publication it is published in please.  Cyril was my first cousin (once removed) i.e. his mum was my great aunt.  I have studied him extensively re his war effort and he really appears to not want to stand out though some other person did a silly careless cut and paste online and made him a Captain Cyril Longmore, Australian Infantry. Brevet Lieutenant-Colonel (temporary Brigadier-General).which he wasn't.  He was a Captain not the rest.  See https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/13223/page/1024.  He was awarded an Order of Leopold for Passhendale and a Croix de Guerre.  Cyril was born in Gundagai but had a name change to enhance his chances in life.  One of his in-laws says she has a grave but there could be any name on any grave in the 1880s-90s.  Cyril himself notes his name change in one of the national newspapers.  Thus he has two personal histories and maybe some others as he spent a lot of time in the Nor'West of WA.  I think the best authority to nail down just what is what re the term 'digger' is for someone to contact Professor Grahame Seal, of Curtin University, W.A.  Graham is a Professor of Folklore and would attach some authority to just where the term 'digger' came from and that is what is required given the term is significant in Australia's story.  People who only went as far as the old Intermediate Cert who then go putting out rubbish history have no legitimacy in putting forward rubbish about significant issues in Australia's story.
Cheers
Johneen Treanor Jones
Gundagai
:G'day. The reference is here: , which is included at the end of the sentence. I have tweaked to wording to try to make that clearer now. Unfortunately, I haven't yet been able to lay my hands on the book as yet, though, and probably don't have the time at the moment (busy with work and family). The article is in no way complete, so if you feel it needs further work, please by all means feel free to work on it; that said please be careful with how you approach it. Depending upon how the information is presented, contacting a professor may be seen to be original research, which Wikipedia does not encourage. It would, of course, though, be perfectly acceptable to reference a work by the professor, if they have published something on the topic, per WP:V, and to use that reference to discuss any alternative theories (or otherwise) so long as they are given equal weight per WP:UNDUE. Anyway, have a good weekend. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 20:08, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Cyril Longmore

message: So you are saying that Cyril Longmore is "in part' responsible for recording the origin of the term 'Digger'?  He isn't solely responsible though?.  It might be said the term appeared via a variety of influences.  What book can't you lay hands on?  Lycett's or Longmore's?  
Johneen Treanor Jones
Gundagai  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.147.194.181 (talk) 23:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: G'day, again, yes it is Longmore's book (Eggs-a-Cook) that I'm trying to lay my hands on. Regarding responsibility for the term, what this article is trying to recount is that there are many theories, one of which includes Longmore as being a possible origin. I'd say it would be impossible to determine a definitive answer, and I think that is pretty much what the references say. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 08:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Longmore

message: I have a copy of Eggs-A-Cook (with permission) from Cyril's original copy so it has his handwritten remarks within it.  What in Eggs-A-Cook were you after?
Johneen Treanor Jones
Gundagai  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.161.168.148 (talk) 11:01, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: One of Cyril's Books

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