Talk:Bertie Beetle

message: I saw Bertie Beetles for sale in a service station in Nelson Bay recently - a sign of general (non-Easter Show) availability? -Maebmij 01:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen individual Christmas ones for sale but I thought that they might just be left overs and hence, wouldn't indicate availability all year 'round. But I will add that to the article now. Ta. Rachel Cakes 08:01, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Late response but, showbags are themed bags with merchandise in them.  There are really two types: food bags (for example, one can buy Cadbury-branded showbags with Cadbury chocolates in them, or the Bertie beetle bag) and novelty bags (for example, the Family Guy showbag might include a Family Guy cap, cooler bag, drink stubbie, or whatever else). 203.87.119.103 08:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: sale 

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:BertieBeetleShowbag.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:P9240008.JPG

message: I deleted the reference to coconut in the following sentence: "It was created as a way to use up pieces of coconut, and honeycomb left over from the production of their Violet Crumble bars." I couldn't find any reference to coconut being included in Bertie Beetles, there's no good reason why coconut would need to be "used up," and the ingredients listed further down on the page do not include coconut. Sadiemonster (talk) 08:49, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Coconut

message: Regarding the text in the section 'First production' that Bertie Beetle "was sold in shops until 1970, when manufacturer Nestlé entered an exclusive agreement with 'Showbag Marketing' to only sell the chocolate at shows and exhibitions in showbags", I challenge the accuracy of this statement on a number of grounds:
* At the time (i.e. 1970) as mentioned in the article, the rights to Bertie Beetle was not under the ownership of Nestlé but was still owned by Hoadley's Chocolates Ltd and soon to be transferred to Rowntree Hoadley Ltd following the buy-out of the company by Rowntree's in 1972. Nestlé did not purchase Rowntree Hoadley under 1988, so it is highly unlikely that Nestle could enter into agreement with "Showbag Marketing"  or any other company for a product they did not have any rights to.  Also, there is no evidence that either Hoadley's Chocolates or Rowntree Hoadley, who had their own marketing departments and distribution networks, entered into any agreement with Nestlé Australia - their competitor - for the marketing or distribution of this product.
* Given the time frames stated, any decision relating to this product being withdrawn from sale in shops would therefore have been that of Hoadley's Chocolates or Rowntree Hoadley, and when and why this occurred is difficult to establish with information publicly available. It must be realised that following the buy-out of Hoadley's Chocolates in 1972, the new company Rowntree Hoadley Ltd embarked on a strategy of consolidating manufacturing operations and soon began closing down Hoadley's original South Melbourne factory and those in Sydney and later Adelaide, and moving production to the more modern Rowntree factory in Campbellfield (North Melbourne). It is therefore possible that disruption of the supply chain may have occurred while production was being transferred, leading to a temporary unavailability of the product to retailers. This seems supported by the fact that Rowntree Hoadley expanded its Campbellfield factory beginning in 1977 to increase production capacity, so it is possible that any decision to limit the sale of Bertie Beetle to just the showbag channel may have been a result of reduced production capacity at that time.
* The source cited in the article refers to an article by "Northern News" in 2003 but very little other information is given (especially not a URL) so as to validate the source.  Northern News was a community newspaper in the northern suburbs of Brisbane which is no longer in circulation. Furthermore, there is no web presence for this company, nor any articles for the stated title or for similar content from the stated time appearing in relevant digital information repositories including the State Library of Queensland, Queensland State Archives, State Library of Victoria and the National Archives of Australia. No other alternate sources reporting this claimed agreement can be located. It must also be realised that Nestlé temporarily stopped (sales resumed in 2007) the sale of Bertie Beetle showbags in the early 2000s following transfer of manufacture of this item to New Zealand. Given that the date of the cited article is 2003, it is more likely the article actually refers to this event rather than over 30 years earlier.
 
While it is not disputed that for a period Bertie Beetle was not available for sale in shops, the evidence available reinforces the position that Nestlé was not responsible for any decision regarding this product as claimed in this article, a position shared by other websites that have compiled their information from sources other than the Wikipedia article.
I therefore propose that this section be reworded and this error corrected. Blammy1 (talk) 15:20, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding text in  'First production'