Talk:Green fireballs

message: NPOV added.  Article is way out of balance.  Bubba73 (talk), 14:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I think it's either ball lightning or an asteroid contaning copper.  -Realwheels, December 10, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Realwheels (talk • contribs) 16:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ball Lightning 

message: Ok, I don't really get why this topic is not an average meteor. Is green an abnormal colour in meteors? Also, Some of this isn't NPOV, like "as if that weren't enough".—Preceding unsigned comment added by AstroHurricane001 (talk • contribs)  00:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wording cited has been changed to "In addition."  Intense, saturated, lime-green is an abnormal color in meteors, but there were numerous other reasons cited in the article and references why scientists like La Paz felt these weren't normal meteors: low speed, low, flat trajectory, changes of course, absence of sound, absence of smoke trail, absence of particles despite extensive searches, heavy concentration in one geographical area, etc. Dr Fil 18:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I just saw one 30 minutes ago in Oregon, USA, it was beautiful. Very very green. I was actually just looking for a page on green meteors when I ended up here.MacroMyco (talk) 10:29, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: I had a sighting of a green fireball, in wich it came from a red,white and blue aurua, just wondering if this ment something.(this wasn't the entire sighting, it takes a long time to write about the entire thing.)--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 02:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  my sighting 

message: I was on my way from toledo to youngstown last night via interstate 80 and seen one that was about 1.5 to 2 inches in diamater at arms length i was just waundering if anyone knew of this instance or could maby tell me more about it i seen it around cleveland around 8:30-9:00--Cmedinger (talk) 21:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ohio Sighting

message: On June 30, 2008 at 11:57 p.m. in Swartz Creek, MI. A gigantic green fireball flew from Southeast to Northeast being seen from Seymore Rd. and Bristol Rd. It only lasted about 3-4 seconds. It dispursed into 4 fragments and vanished. 4 minutes later two helicopters flew in its trajectroy. Could have been a meteor, could of been something else, couldn't tell ya. I've seen some crazy stuff, but this is new crazy stuff. Update: 4 July 2009 11:40 P.M. Wasn't green, but I just watched a glowing red/orange orb float aimlessly over Swartz Creek in the same general area as the last sighting. Could be related. Firework spectators?Zxeroluda (talk) 18:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Michigan Sighting

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message: I was traveling along the A50 back into stoke on trent when a green Shooting star crossed the sky in front of us. It appered from knowhere glowing bright green as it crossed smaller fragments trailed behind but more the colour of a spark. It moved very fast in quite a horizontal direction. At first it looked like a fire work rocket but the way it burnt out it was definatly a shooting star. Never Seen one like that before.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.49.156 (talk) 15:01, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sighting in Stike on trent UK 4th april 2009 

message: Talbycodes (talk) 03:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly relevant material 

message: I and many others saw a green fireball from a train at night in the Karoo near De Aar. For perhaps ten seconds it lit up the desert with a brilliant green glow. The display had all the characteristics one might associate with a meteor. Later in life I became a geologist. I remain convinced that the falling object was either (1) a stone containing much nickel or copper or (2) a man-made object containing copper wiring that burned upon re-entry. Captainbeefart (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Africa, c.1957 

message: While LaPaz is very important to green fireballs, is his entire UFO investigative history needed here? The section, "Green fireballs revisited (1965)" could stay, with an added link to Socorro incident, but the rest reads like padding. 71.234.215.133 (talk) 05:54, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  LaPaz's further investigations 

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message: Copper along with many other metals has been observed in meteors. The article makes several assertions that its "rare", this is strange. I'd like to see the source that says it is rare or nonexistent. Dominick (TALK) 11:11, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copper in space? 

message: I am concerned that much of this section is undocumented, including direct quotes from unknown sources. It has been flagged as "citation needed," but without references, there is no verifiability. Should this section be included under these circumstances? Hifrommike65 (talk) 12:05, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green fireballs outside the United States (section) 

message: This article is not even close to being encyclopedic, with issues of WP:FRINGE, WP:FRIND, WP:OR, and WP:UNDUE, to name just a few,  dominating the entire thing, soup to nuts. The dozens of 'content needed' tags have been here for years. I have begun the slow process of content editing ... JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Good start. There are still too many fringe sources; CUFOS, Project 1947, etc. and Clark, Steiger and Ruppelt are listed as general sources. I haven’t looked for WP:FRIND sources on the topic but I’d be surprised if they didn’t exist. - LuckyLouie (talk) 13:19, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh sure. My initial search for RS last year revealed nothing, but it was brief, non-exhaustive, and I never got back to the task. See my Talk page for some renewed interest in the topic. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 13:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I note that the History Channel writeup on the topic tries hard to emphasize a sensationalist POV, but begrudgingly includes that . - LuckyLouie (talk) 14:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Imo, the article should be rewritten to emphasize what the title says it is, a type of colored fireball, and the UFO aspect just a small paragraph about misdentification. When done, a link should be added from this article to the colours section of Meteoroid#Fireball. I'm just commenting and don't intend to edit. 5Q5|✉ 11:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up attempt 

message: The following is an FBI document on green fireballshttps://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/fbifiles/ufos/fbi-Jan311949-VitalInstallationsMemo.pdf.Chantern15 (talk) 11:03, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  FBI document on green fireballs 

message: As seen here:https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/projectbluebook/ProjectTwinkle-November1951.pdfChantern15 (talk) 07:46, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing on theblackvault.com is likely to be seen as acceptable under WP:RS criteria. This is a privately-run website, and there is no way to validate the authenticity of its content. Not that it matters much, since we don't base articles on primary source documents anyway. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:15, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that that is unfortunate, since the documents on Black Vault come from the government and are backed by the stamps and signatures present on them which highlight their importance. As for primary sources, RSPRIMARY states that they can be used in specific circumstances.Chantern15 (talk) 12:37, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess you mean "the government" of the country you happen to live in. Why should Wikipedia care about that? Since when have governments been reliable sources? --Hob Gadling (talk) 12:43, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not the government of the country I happen to live in, but the government of the United States, from where these documents have been declassified from. If you read the headers of the documents, that's where they come from. This is not an appeal to the authority of the US Government, merely to point out the relevance of this clearance, as sightings in the US, will be relevant to them being covered by the US Government.Chantern15 (talk) 12:49, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declassified Documents For Project Twinkle Under Project Grudge For Green Fireballs