Talk:Fin de siècle

message: It seems to me like there's some confusion between the definition of the expression 'fin de siècle', the definition of the expression 'turn of the century' and a description of a specific period of time in Europe.  Definitions belong in wiktionary.  This article should be restricted to commentary on the French expression that refers to a specific period of time in Europe. Danorton 23:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As such Fin de Siecle is a rather retrospective label and has been added to periods almost at will, the true Fin de Siecle by definition must be that of Europe in 1880-1910, though late Roman literature also has a good claim to this badge.
Also the "added to periods almost at will" sounds rather cheap & unfounded --Francis Schonken 01:58, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Wouldn't a literal reference to "end of the century" be "fin du siècle"?  My impression had been that omission of the article drew essentially the same distinction as between "late 19th century" and "the late 19th century" in English, with no requirement for hyphens in the former usage.  Vaughan Pratt (talk) 19:44, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of Expression/Which Century

message: What do we say about more general uses such as "Pocket doors were popular at the turn of the century, but fell out of favor"? Here there seems to be no question of bringing up decadence or anything of the sort, but the article skips over that usage so quickly. It seems worth a line or two more space, to me. Lawikitejana 02:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More neutral uses?

message: Shouldn't the article title be Turn of the century? Fin de siècle is not the common English usage, and is not in our parlance. Kingturtle (talk) 14:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. "Fin de siecle" is very definitely the acknowledged term for the phenomenon - if it's not, then academics worldwide have been messing with our heads. "Turn of the century" is more of a chronological term, whereas "fin de siecle" describes the specific aura of decadence and doom. It's a borrowed term carried over into English, like "macho" or "QED". HonestTom (talk) 12:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. fair enough. but then Turn of the century should be its own article, not a redirect here. Kingturtle (talk) 16:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. "Turn of the century" isn't really enough of a recognized term to deserve its own encyclopedic entry; it is simply a phrase that doesn't refer to anything specific. The phrase being referenced in this article has specific social and political connotations. Metsfanmax (talk) 14:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Er. I disagree :) "Turn of the century" retrieves over 9 million google hits; "Fin de siècle" only 1.3 million. Here's a US Library of Congress website for example that uses Turn of the Century for a specific time frame. I can give you dozens of more examples. Kingturtle (talk) 14:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I didn't reverse my argument. I said that the English "turn of the century" isn't really a specific phrase with any meaning, and that the term "fin de siecle" has meaning in the culture of English-speaking nations separate from the general term turn of the century. My point was that the first Google search result for "turn of the century" is this Wikipedia article, indicating that Kingturtle was incorrect to say the term is not in our parlance. Metsfanmax (talk) 21:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  this is the English language Wikipedia 

message: The term "aughts", as in the '00 decade of a century, redirects here, yet the term isn't used anywhere in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.45.183 (talk) 07:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That was also my impression. I can't think of a reason why it should redirect here, as opposed to this decade. Considering that no reason has been mentioned in nearly two years, I think it should be safe to change the redirect. jr98664 (talk) 04:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "aughts" 

message: First, may I suggest that someone more familiar with the international symbols add a pronunciation clue to this page?
Second, I disagree whole-heartedly with the idea of splitting fds and totc pages.  If we start banning all foreign expressions from the "English" Wikipedia pages, where will it end?  Beside that, mon amis, if a definition of fds is only in the French pages, an Anglophone reader would have to learn how to parlez before being able to read the definition of it.
Terry J. Carter (talk) 15:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Syllable ... Sounds Like ... 

message: I like the new lead section: it is comprehensive and gives a good overview of the topic, as well as a good sense of its importance. Nice! :)  
David WC2 (talk) 06:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New lead 

message: Perhaps we could add to the references section something about Korean artist Nam June Paik's huge installations of the same name? They very definitely conveyed a sense of foreboding, in that something was coming in the future, with big brother overtones. Here's a picture: http://www.dipaola.org/art/galleries/paik/whitney_paik.jpg 65.248.246.131 (talk) 00:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Fin de Sciècle theme are very related with ideas of Aryan racial superiority, White Supremacy, Nordic Racial Superiority, Social Darwinism, Eugenics and ideals of European Racial and Cultural Superiority and are intrinsically reactionary views of World which is related with 19th Century European Philosophy, whose this is a philosophical and artistic movement that started in 1880 and happened in the 1880s and 1890s decades during the time of French Third Republic.
But the editors views my editions in the :Category:Fin de sciècle as inappropriate to categorize the Fin de sciècle themes, but Fin de sciècle themes is Related with categories such Aryanism, Nordicism and Reactionary.
189.69.168.196 (talk) 01:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "my editions in the :Category:Fin de sciècle" There is no such category. Dimadick (talk) 12:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Do you have any reliable sources to support that each of these very nice epithets is a DEFINING characteristic of fin de siècle art and culture? Aryanism, nordicism, eugenics etc. are not even mentioned on the  article. It is even quite absurd to argue that artists who were in majority French would have supported "Nordic Aryan" superiority, whatever that is, at a time when revanchism and hostility towards anything Germanic was a dominant feeling in France. Place Clichy (talk) 03:05, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relations of ''Fin de Sciècle'' themes with, [[Scientific Racism]], [[Aryanism]], [[Nordicism]], [[White supremacy]], [[Eurocentrism]], [[Eugenics]], [[Nationalism]], [[Social Darwinism]], [[Counterculture]], [[Subcultures]], [[:Category:Historical eras|Historical Eras]], [[French Third Republic]] [[1880s]], [[1890s]] and [[Reactionary]]