Talk:Intercontinental Cup (football)

message: Enjoy. (Some small English corrections still due.) elpincha 07:49, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: First comment

message: Please can this unfair revisionism stop. It was not unfair to regard this as the world club championship as club football in the rest of the world outside of South America and Europe was a abysmal for most of this period. You might as well claim it is unfair to have a world cup now that does not involve Antarctica or the Moon. It is deeply unfair to Europe and South America to ignore our long history of club football before the Asians, Africans, Oceania and North American took it seriously and pretend football only started when they took an interest in it. 
This was world club championship. STOP IGNORING THAT HISTORY. 
If you do we might as well claim the first world cups were not real as they were just invitational and did not involve British sides.  
GET OVER IT THIS was the world club cup. Stop rewriting history. 
The modern one is the unfair system as it gives the Oceania and asian champions the same status as a far larger trophy in Europe.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mickyoore (talk • contribs) 23:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're just saying rubish! You must live in a different world, with 2 continents only... In that case why did the world cup started with other countries than european and south american?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.83.179 (talk) 17:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the world club championship whether you like it or not. You are the one who lives on a different world. Europe and South America were THE Football powers. FIFA righly called it the world club championship stop revisionism you might as well claim the first 3 world cups were not real world cuos as they did not include british sides you are a total liar.
those who call it world cup are like americans who call world series to a baseball competition that only americans play! pure rubbish from idiots!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.245.189.166 (talk) 12:47, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  It was regarded as the world club championship 

message: There are close to 100 wikis that point at Intercontinental Cup, all regarding the football (soccer) competition. Intercontinental Cup should point here until most -- if not all -- of those wikis are fixed. --DR31 (talk) 17:54, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect at [[Intercontinental Cup]]

message: I rv'd the latest anon's comments since he removed and modified previous existing comments. Whoever posted them is welcome to re-write them here, this time without disturbing previous words.
Sebastian Kessel Talk 18:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon's comments 

message: Someone is removing all the soccer club logos from each championship page. The person who is doing this claims that "Fair Use" is not for ilustrating. I totally disagree with him beacuse the reason why people put images and logos and everything on a encyclopedia is to ilustrate and make the information clear. Another point is that if the image is already hosted in wikipedia and used on the soccer clubs pages, why can't we use it also on the competitions page like this?
The one who removes the logos is cleary misinterpretating the "Fair Use" rules. What do you people think about this subject?
This the copyright message for club logos. Ilustrations are ok by the rules below:
--Mrzero 21:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See User_talk:Mrzero#Fair use. ed g2s • talk 22:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's YOUR interpretation which is very controversial. The CLUB LOGOS are extremely helpful in pages like that. It's an extra identification and helps to improve the quality of the article. Everyone wants to improve Wikipedia and you are always doing the opposite thing. I am Brazilian and I can't remember many teams names but when I see the logo it's much easier to identify. Sorry but your points are very weak and i'll revert your changes. 
--201.44.215.240 22:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club logos removal 

message: Club names are usually sorted by their common names. Thus AC Milan is sortes as Milan, and all the Club Atletico clubs by their names and not by Club, and so forth. The reason why Milan has AC before is to avoid confusion with Internationale Milan. Please, stop changing the proper sorting. --Mariano(t/c) 13:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorting 

message: Completely false and exaggarated; I have strong evidence (which I left at the external links section) that the IC was, in fact, financially attractive. The match generated over £50,000 (approximately £1.27 million in 2010), a record earning for any English club at the time. And on that same page, it is clear that the British tried to destroy the competition long before any of the happenings in 1969. Jamen Somasu (talk) 11:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crazy talk 

message: Can someone explain how the points system worked that was used up to 1969?
It doesn't seem to make much sense and I can't work it out from the scores and points for the games listed.
If an explanation already exists somewhere, can it be linked to the article. –Craigthomas1 (talk) 15:28, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Two points for a win, one each for a draw. Seems simple enough. Falastur2 Talk 23:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Points 

message: I stronly suggested to add the champions of Toyota cup and Intercotinental cup to the champions list, and the most successful club would become Milan(4 times winner).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.116.143.182 (talk) 08:58, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: More champions

message: Where did Mr Dante get the idea that the Lipton Cup and the Pequeña Copa del Mundo were "best of the world title"???
To begin with, it is a complete misconception to equalise in value the Intercontinental Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup.
All sources show that the FIFA Club World Cup has always been far more important. 
Anyway, the theme is already discussed in the topic above.
Fact is that the Rio Cup was (very incorrectly) treated as World Title in Uruguay, Brazil and Italy.
Fact is that the Intercontinental Cup was (very incorrectly) treated as World Title in South America, Spain, Portugal and Italy.
However, this is definite NOT the case of the Pequeña Copa del Mundo. It was held in Venezuela and its most important competitors were Brazilian and Spanish sides. The Wikipedia Portuguese article on the Pequeña Copa del Mundo has many links to sources in Portuguese and Spanish language (the site "Futbol de Venezuela", Spanish newspaper El Mundo Deportivo, Brazilian newspapers from Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo), making clear:
1- that competition was not called a "World title" not even by the contemporary Venezuelan press
2- the contemporary Brazilian and Spanish presses treated that competition mostly as "Venezuela Cup" and "Caracas Cup" and quite seldom as "Small Club World Cup", and the Spanish press even cited that the competition was not up to "its pompous name". 
3- Brazilian clubs won that Cup twice (Corinthians- 1953 and São Paulo- 1955) and the Brazilian press  didn't give it even 10% of the importance it gave to Rio Cup, Intercontinental Cup and FIFA Club World Cup. 
4- If the Pequeña Copa do Mundo had had an impact such as that of a World Title, no Brazilian club would ever have dismissed to play it. And Vasco da Gama dismissed to play it in 1953 giving the berth to Corinthians. The same Vasco da Gama that in 1951 unscheduled a tour to Europe in order to give priority to the Rio Cup, that in 1998 travelled to Japan 10 days in advance to the match against Real Madrid in order to climatise, and in 1999 formed a super-team (with Romario, Edmundo) in order to play the 2000 FIFA Club World Championship.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.192.9.25 (talk) 04:05, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lipton Cup and Pequeña Copa del Mundo 

message: The following sentence from the section "Toyota Cup" appears to be biased towards the South American point of view:
:"The 1990s proved to be a decade dominated by European teams as Milan, Red Star Belgrade, Ajax, Juventus, Real Madrid, Manchester United and newcomers Borussia Dortmund of Germany were fueled to victory by its economic powers and heavy pouching of South American stars."
If you check the respective tournament finals referred to here, you'll note that Milan, Belgrade, Ajax and Manchester did not field a single player with South American nationality, whereas Juventus and Dortmund only fielded one. While it is true that the 1990s saw a general increase of the number of South American players in Europe, blaming that for the South Americans' poor form in the Toyota Cup seems a bit stretched to me. 128.176.228.13 (talk) 12:32, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Heavy pouching of South American stars" 

message: Hello,
I would like to add some information about the Intercontinental Cup. In particular, I would like to mention Pele (the Brazilian legend) as the all-time top scorer of this competition. He has scored 7 goals more than any other player. 
Below I am attaching you the link (source) which verifies the above information.
 
Pls kindly let me know if this is possible or if you could do that on my behalf.
Thank you!
Reference : http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/detail/article/messi-just-three-behind-pele-in-club-world-cup-intercontinental-goals
: Not done: Duplicate request, see below. Altamel (talk) 18:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2015 

message: Hello, I think it should be added the main goalscoring record of Intercontinental Cup history.
The holder of this record is Pele (Edson Arantes do Nascimento) who has scored seven goals (in just three matches), more than any other player in the history of the competition. You can find attached the sources that verify it. 
http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/detail/article/messi-just-three-behind-pele-in-club-world-cup-intercontinental-goals
http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/history/news/newsid=1782903/index.html
http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/history/news/newsid=2224094/
Thank you!
Dim. Nor. 86 (talk) 11:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: @Dim. Nor. 86: You are now autoconfirmed (requirement is at least four days and ten edits), so you should be able to edit semi-protected pages like this one. Would you like to make the requested edit yourself? Altamel (talk) 18:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2015 

message: Why if we add in the table the editions who were not played and add the information why the final was not play ?--Alexiulian25 (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It took a while to understand what you wanted to say. Perhaps, you want to ask, "What if we add...". I think we could do that (the reason must be just a few words, with a footnote).Rpo.castro (talk) 20:19, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing editions 

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message: For Peejay: the contents on the origin of the competition refer to the claim that the Tornoi de Paris may have influenced the creation of the Intercontinental Cup. This issue was already in the article- I just provided more details.
For the IP: I do agree with you that FIFA has not recognised Copa Rio as a club world title. However, I disagree the way you approach the issue. First, you can certainly reproduce the FIFA Statutes, but you can not attribute to FIFA statements that FIFA has never made. FIFA has never explicitly called the Copa Rio as a friendly tournament, and so you cannot yourself interprete the FIFA statutes and thus claim that FIFA called the Copa Rio a friendly cup. This is called Original Research, which is vetoed by the Wikipedia. Also, as for Copa Rio, I think that the it must be mentioned (once more: only mentioned, not listed as a Club World title) in the article about world club champions, as Valcke and Urs issued FIFA documents treating the Copa Rio as a Club World Cup. I know that these Valcke/Urs statements were not made by the FIFA Council; however, as they are FIFA documents anyway, and as Copa Rio was treated in these documents as a Club World Cup, I think Copa Rio should be mentioned (once more: only mentioned, not listed as a Club World title) in the article on the club world champions. Also, in order to avoid spreading controversy throughout Wikipedia articles, I think that here in Intercontinental Cup and in List of world champion football clubs, Copa Rio should be mentioned very briefly, only mentioning that the case is different from the Intercontinental Cup and that further information should be searched in the specific Copa Rio article. Finally, I presume good faith, including from you, and I am not comfortable to discuss with someone who presumes bad faith from me. If you can discuss the issue in good faith, for me it is oK, but if you insist in assuming bad faith (as you did here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_world_champion_football_clubs&type=revision&diff=973327359&oldid=973323502 ),please be kind enough to request mediation. 
El cazador (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in 15 and 16 August 2020 

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message: add to text
===Medals (1960-2004)===
:There are no countries competing in the Intercontinental Cup. This is an unnecessary table summarising something that doesn't need to be summarised. – PeeJay 13:36, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: add

message: :There are no countries competing in the Intercontinental Cup. This is an unnecessary table summarising something that doesn't need to be summarised. – PeeJay 13:36, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Medals (1960-2004)

message: but not 1951 and 1952
"The Copa Rio titles of 1951 and 1952, won by Palmeiras and Fluminense, respectively, are examples of competitions between teams from different countries that were not included in FIFA's agenda. The entity even recognized Palmeiras as world champion during the process of organization of the 2014 World Cup, but later backtracked and started using euphemisms such as "first global champion".
https://ge.globo.com/futebol/mundial-de-clubes/noticia/2023/12/23/fifa-nao-reconhece-os-titulos-de-mundiais-de-santos-flamengo-gremio-e-sao-paulo-checamos.ghtml Kksssn (talk) 00:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  In fact FIFA does recognize 1960 to 2004 as World Champion