Talk:Pączki

message: Easter sunday is on 11 april this year  count back 40 days and shrove tuesday should fall next week.   any one know why its early? 194.154.171.13 11:07, Feb 25, 2004
:Whoa. You're right, 194.154.171.13. I dunno what happened. GusGus 21:39, 2004 Feb 25 (UTC)
: Check out 4th 'graph of Lent.  Until the first time they try calculating it, everyone assumes they are 40 consecutive days, but there are no Sundays in Lent. --Jerzy(t) 05:30, 2004 Feb 26 (UTC)
:: In some years there have been two Easters.  The Eastern Orthodox version often falls a week after Western Christianity's.  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 16:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was taught in Catholic school that Easter Sunday is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox.  That's why the date varies so widely.  It also bares testament to the pagan roots of the holiday.
Piper1740 (talk) 20:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Easter?

message: Polish Jews frying pontshkes in oil sounds like a revisionist myth. Fried foods were usually fried in שמאלץ shmaltz  –  Redaktor 00:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know it for a fact, but it makes sense that on Chanukah they would use oil, just like latkes.  Or did they fry those in shmaltz too?  In which case, why did they do it davka on Chanukah?  Zsero 01:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Therein lies the rub. A lot of post-hoc explanations make sense. That is why they are postulated. My father, a Polish-born Jew, used to laugh at the idea that latkes  were associated with Chanuka (although we always ate latkes on Chanuka, and still do). He said that winter in Poland was the prime time for slaughtering geese. Since a goose can generate a large quantity of shmaltz, fried foods were eaten throughout the winter. Chanuka falls conveniently in the winter. However, in case you think that is a lone voice, I cannot find any reference to eating foods fried in oil on Chanuka in any East European work. All the references I have ever seen are post-WWII. – Redaktor 11:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pontshkes?

message: Could "Tlusty czwartek" shift elsewhere in the USA?
Please check out Poletown article. It says that they eat donuts on Fat Tuesday, not on Fat Thursday. Either Paczki or Poletown mus be updated. Mikkalai 22:06, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Poles in Poland eat them on Fat Thursday (I ate half a dozen this year, yummy), the Poles in America eat them on Fat Tuesday. I thought this article says it clearly enough, but you may reword it if you want. – Kpalion (talk) 22:32, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: There was some confusion between Fat Tuesday and Fat Thursday.  It has been fixed now to say:  Traditionally, the reason for making paczki has been to use up all the lard, sugar and fruit in the house, which are forbidden during Lent. In Poland, they are eaten especially on Fat Thursday, the last Thursday before Lent (Polish: Tłusty czwartek). In Chicago and Detroit, Paczki Day is more commonly celebrated on Fat Tuesday instead of Fat Thursday.--T-dot (Talk | contribs) 16:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Your confusion was the result of a vandal who struck just 12 minutes before you left this comment.  Before then it did indeed say "Thursday".  If you see something in a WP article that strikes you as strange, check the history, it may be quite recent vandalism. -- Zsero 20:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fat Thursday or Tuesday 

message: is the picture of those politicians eating them really necessary? it seems to break up 6the article. if no one has any objections, i'm taking it down. Joeyramoney 00:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture 

message: Hi! I come from Poland and specially for English WikiPedia I just recorded how to pronounce "Pączek", "Pączki" :D </br>
MP3 File</br>
ZIP file with MP3 inside</br>
Both files are ~160KB.</br>
--Dawid Nowak, MacDada 14:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: THANKS! That is good enough to post on the front page in the pronunciation section. The "OGG" file or whatever that was there didn't work for me anyway.  Sort of comes out half-way between "paunch-key" and "pone-chkey", rather than "poonch-key" or "punch-key", as is commonly said around Detroit.  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 17:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pączki - pronouncing 

message: Paczki → Pączek — Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Prefer singular nouns & Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). —Visor (talk) 00:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose In my area, these are called "Paczki" or "Paczkis." The term "Pączek" is completely unused/unheard of. JPG-GR (talk) 04:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
Similar case at Talk:Panino (panino vs. panini).  What's the usage in English-speaking countries? —  AjaxSmack  00:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose In my area, these are called "Paczki" or "Paczkis." The term "Pączek" is completely unused/unheard of. JPG-GR (talk) 04:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
Similar case at Talk:Panino (panino vs. panini).  What's the usage in English-speaking countries? —  AjaxSmack  00:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: This section seems like a mention that they are popular in the Polish community in Toronto, which is not a particularly notable statement (as paczki are likely to be popular within any sizeable Polish community), plus a somewhat irrelevant list of sales location (that's essentially advertizing, which is not appropriate for Wikipedia). Would anyone mind if I removed this section? Or is there any subtantial info about paczki in Canada that would warrant a rewrite instead of a deletion of that section?--Boffob (talk) 20:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree.  Doing exactly that was on my list of things to do when I get some more editing time - the mentions of individual bakeries is unnecessary.  Go ahead! Knepflerle (talk) 21:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Definitely get rid of the advertising!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.74.196.48 (talk) 18:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canada section 

message: *At the moment we have the worst of both worlds:  the title has no diacritic but the text always uses diacritics. If 'pachek/ki' is to be the official name because it is perceived to have 'widest usage', then it should also be used in the text. I say this only for the sake of consistency - I think the title should have the diacritic but I missed the vote (we are after all talking about the Polish delicacy, not the way it is perceived in Chicago). Malick78 (talk) 18:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: "Jak pączek w maśle" (like a donut in oil) means as happy as a very happy happy thing. Anybody know of another phrase or two to create some section based on sayings? Malick78 (talk) 18:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Phrases

message: A small contradiction:
:Although they look like bismarcks or jelly doughnuts, pączki are made from especially rich dough containing eggs, fats, sugar and sometimes milk. [...] In German and Danish, they are called Berliner.
I suspect these are not the same thing as Berliners and the latter remark is in error. Dcoetzee 09:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Berliner or not?

message: This article claimed "though many English speakers use pączki as singular and pączkis as plural."
I claim that is utter hogwash.  Can anybody show me any use of "pączkis" untainted by Wikipedia, let alone any extensive use of that spelling?  
What I can easily find is extensive use of "paczkis" as plural and "paczki" as singular.  That, of course, is evidence of assimilation into English--and evidence that the English alphabet is used in this assimilation, too.  Gene Nygaard (talk) 08:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I grew up belonging to a Polish parish in East Chicago, Indiana, (USA) and I've often heard the word "pączki" used as both the singular and plural form.  Some people (for example, on the Southside of Chicago) use "pączkis" for the plural. Piper1740 (talk) 20:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Misrepresentation

message: Pączek (polaco: ['pɔnt‌͡ʂki])  es el tradiconal dónut de Polonia. Pączki es la forma plural de la palabra polaca pączek([ˈpɔ̃t͡ʂɛk]).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleksandra Ozga (talk • contribs) 18:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pączek 

message: Why is Armenia listed as one of the "other countries neighboring Poland" when in fact it is very much distant?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.167.67 (talk) 00:21, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other countries 

message: Folks, I'm anglicizing the article. Not a single source cited uses "pączki," nor does a single English-language dictionary enter this word. Naturally. There are no  in English. 
Given the ample evidence that paczki is the loanword, I won't have to move the article to "Polish doughnut". RVJ (talk) 23:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not convinced. I've reverted this undiscussed move per WP:RM. This is a potentially controversial move; please start a proper RM discussion and see if there's a consensus to support such a move. In the past many similar moves were rejected, as the lack of usage for and diacritics like a is simply a byproduct of laziness and people not having the correct key/program on their keyboards. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, why not, I didn't know what else I was going to do with my week. -- RVJ (talk) 16:43, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  moving to English 

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message: I'd like to understand what the result of the last move request discussion means not only for the article's title, but also for its content. Should "pączki" be treated as an English or a Polish word in the article? So first, I'd like to ask all those interested the following question:
:Does the English language have a word for a Polish filled doughnut?
I suggest a few possible answers below, but please feel free to provide your own if you disagree with all of mine.
# Yes, the English word for this kind of doughnut is "pączki" ( or ; plural: "pączki" or "pączkis").
# Yes, same as above, but "paczki" (plural: "paczki" or "paczkis") is an acceptable alternative spelling.
# No, there is no word for this kind of doughnut in English, so for want of an English word, we have to use the Polish word pączek  (plural: pączki ).
— Kpalion(talk) 16:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: And why do we have to do that? We're not responsible for the content of dictionaries. The Oxford English Dictionary does not include it. Neither do other respected dictionaries. Just because some online dictionaries may include it does not make it an English word. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so you can find the word in some dictionaries and not in some other, and it prooves the word doesn't exist? There are cookbooks where pączki are not mentioned, so maybe these pastries do not exist at all? Of course, we're not reponsible for the content of dictionaries (those lexicographers have no idea what they're doing!), or any other reliable sources for that matter. We know better, right? Why do we even need WP:V? — Kpalion(talk) 14:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

text: Oh, and didn't you notice the link above is actually to an Oxford dictionary? But I know, it's an online version, so it's not a "respected" dictionary. So here's another dictionary which has an entry for "paczki". Not only is it printed on paper, it's actually hardcover! What could be more reliable than hardcover, right? — Kpalion(talk) 00:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like you're a bit angry because the RM discussion went against you! -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:11, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I'm frustrated by what I see as concensus being based mostly on personal opinions, original research and out-of-hand dismissal of reliable sources. — Kpalion(talk) 12:37, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Follow-up: is "pączki" an English word?