Talk:Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome

message: I'm removing the paragraph that is discussing how the argument for the Gophers to have the new stadium on campus are "tenuous at best".  The idea of measuring the distances of the stadiums from Coffman Union, while clever, are not necessarily salient nor relevant.  Their concerns are to have the new stadium physically on the University of Minnesota campus (which the Metrodome certainly is not) and also to have it right next to the other sports facilities (not to mention the football teams practice facilites).  Also, the majority of the student population lives on the East Bank of the river whether in the dorms or the Dinkytown area which would be much closer to the proposed stadium location.  
All of that said, the reason that I'm removing the comment is just that it seems very biased and rather irrelevant to the Metrodome article.
Luke 04:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new stadium proposal tenuous at best? 

message: I dispute the POINT OF VIEW that the Metrodome is "widely" considered to be the worst baseball venue.  By whom?  And under what conditions?  The current expensive proposal is an OPEN AIR ballpark.  It is TOO BLOODY COLD to be going to outdoor games in Minneapolis until right about now, the first of June, and once September rolls around, it chills down in a hurry.  The ones who are pushing this open-air park are liable to push the team right out of the city, eventually, because no one will show up for 3 of the 6 months of the season! Wahkeenah 23:34, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As to who believes the Metrodome is the worst in baseball, you can find many polls on the subject.  Here are a few:http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/worstballparks/010503.html, http://armchairgm.wikia.com/index.php?title=Top_5_Worst_Stadiums, http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/al/Metrodome.htmSeanNovack (talk) 16:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They'll think differently next year when they're sitting in 30 degree, rainy weather - or having to go back home to Duluth because the game got rained (or snowed) out. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As this is a "point of view" and is not backed by any source, I don't believe it has any bearing on the point.  I can tell you from personal experience at the old Met Stadium that yes, there were some cold games and rainouts, the benefits (in my "point of view") far outweighed any downside.SeanNovack (talk) 16:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that "best" or "worst" is going to be a matter of opinion, no matter what the source. Everyone thinks Wrigley Field is so wonderful. The players said the playing surface was the worst in the majors (it has since been redone). Everyone thinks Fenway is so wonderful. The sightlines from many of the seats are horrible. The ultimate proof for Target Field vs. the Dome will be the season attendance - not next year, but in a few years when the novelty has worn off. The Twins drew better in the Dome (indoors) than they did at the Old Met (outdoors). We'll see what happens. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the primary reason that this Minnesota born-and-bred Twins fan has no problem with the new outdoor stadium is that I remember clearly going to the old Metropolitan Stadium and not having that many issues.  On average, do you know how many games were rained out or canceled due to cold weather at the Met ever season?  A whopping 4 games.  Less than 5% of the season.  Might it have been nice to have a retractable roof?  Of course!  Is it worth it not to build a new stadium and stay stuck in the Metrodump or possibly not even have a baseball team (don't laugh, it happened with the Lakers and the North Stars when they left for LA and Dallas, respectively).  No, it's not.  Not for less than 1 in 20 games. Rapier1 (talk) 15:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

text: If you can find further documentation in order to convince that one skeptical editor, that would be good. I just don't know where to go to find past records. weather.com seems to be focused on the upcoming forecast only. Baseball Bugs 20:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This website  can get you high and low temperatures for each day.  I don't see anything that melds that info. with wind speed though, which would be required to calculate wind chill.  I don't really understand what the fuss is about.  Soon the Twins will have a new open ballpark; I don't think there's anything any of us can do to change that.--Appraiser 21:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: too cold - weather in minnesota

message: Yes it does happen in Minneapolis in October and April. Wind chill can dip down to 0 degrees F at 35 MPH with an ambient air temperature of 20 degrees F. As User:Baseball_Bugs points out, A quick random check shows it was below 0 wind chill on April 4th this past year (2007).  Group29 18:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find further documentation in order to convince that one skeptical editor, that would be good. I just don't know where to go to find past records. weather.com seems to be focused on the upcoming forecast only. Baseball Bugs 20:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This website  can get you high and low temperatures for each day.  I don't see anything that melds that info. with wind speed though, which would be required to calculate wind chill.  I don't really understand what the fuss is about.  Soon the Twins will have a new open ballpark; I don't think there's anything any of us can do to change that.--Appraiser 21:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: below zero wind chills

message: I proposed putting 3 pictures in the info box each pix of each main tenant Twins Vikes and Gophers. Currently just having  a baseball picture paints  IMO an incorrect picture the stadium was built for football first and baseball was an afterthough. What do others think of including pictures  of the football set up in the info box Smith03 01:34, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: pix in info

message: I took this out 
"Following the death of Twins great Kirby Puckett in March 2006, public support for a new Twins ballpark swelled considerably, with the request that the park be named for the fallen Twin.  Presumably to accomplish this the state of Minnesota would purchase naming rights in addition to the proposed public funding." 
He died last week its way to earlier  to know if support has swelled considerably or that the support will last long after the intial shock of the death. Also it very unlikely the state is going to pay the Twins to name the stadium after Puckett the Twins will want $ for naming rights and this state is not huge on giving money to team in the first placeSmith03 01:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Puckett's death

message: "Attendance at Gopher football games rarely fills the Metrodome to capacity, and it is thought that, in order to pep up its student base for increased ticket sales, an on-campus stadium is required. Presumably they used opposite reasoning when they abandoned the old on-campus stadium."
This seems rather biased to me, especially the use of the words "presumably" and "abandoned" in such a condesending way.  I would like to see the second sentance of the above quote just outright deleted.
*It's a way of pointing out how the charlatans foist new taxes on the citizenry to pay for new stadiums to replace the old ones that were once considered so wonderful. Wahkeenah 17:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to find evidence that the opposite was argued, by all means do so. But presumption isn't adequate.--RLent 17:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They currently think they need on an-campus stadium. They obviously didn't think so in 1982, or they obviously wouldn't have moved. Wahkeenah 18:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted it back for you. Are you happy now? Do you enjoy giving your tax dollars to these bloodsuckers? Wahkeenah 18:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias in Gopher's Stadium Section 

message: FTA: "McAfee Coliseum, Dolphin Stadium, and the Metrodome are the last of the "multipurpose facilities" that were once common throughout professional sports." I'd just like to point out that the Skydome/Rogers Centre in Toronto is also a multipurpose facility. It hosts Canadian Football League and Major League Baseball games as well as other events. Therefore it should be included on this list. --CokeBear 18:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Last of?

message: What is the longest home run to left feild?  I know people hit the upper deck in right but I am curious as to how far a home run would have to go to get the the upper deck in left.
User:02:17, 1 August 2006 65.27.96.112 (Talk) (Longest Home Run) 02:17, 1 August 2006 65.27.96.112 (Talk) (Longest Home Run) 
*There is nothing about it in the Twins media guide. That's surprising, considering how much time and effort they have made over the years to get exact measurements. They even did that at the Old Met. This much I can tell you: It would take a titanic blast to hit the left field upper deck. But I bet Harmon could have done it. He put one on the left field roof at Tiger Stadium, and believe me, that was one long drive. Wahkeenah 02:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest Home Run 

message: Anyone wanna work on fixing it?
I added subsections for each team and cleaned a little bit up. It still needs some major work, though. EC2 14:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible replacements section is too wordy 

message: How is adding the year for the superbowl vandalism??? It may not be needed but that doesn't make it vandalism.
*I talked with the user about that. We're good. Wahkeenah 16:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Year for Superbowl

message: What's the point of just wiping out the notes I added about Mickey Hatcher trying to catch Dave Kingman's ball in the Trivia section, without any explanation? 80.255.39.45 04:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiping out edit 

message: This has become a big article at 34K. I put in splits to essentially move out everything that does not explain what the Metrodome is. The text about the Twins Ballpark is largely already in that article, so probably can be removed from the Metrodome article and a main template be put in. The Vikings stadium information probably has to stay for now. The controversy section could be its own article. Group29 21:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sections

message: Perhaps we should add something about the  accidental "Swastika" shap in the ceiling from the way the ceiling was designed? We could put it in the "Controversies" section. I didn't do it. 21:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never seen it, so that sounds like "original research", and certainly no "controversy", unless you can find a proper source. Wahkeenah 21:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can vouch for the swastika shape. I noticed immediately upon my first visit the "zig zags" where the stiffening beams join at the apex of the dome. It may or may not be an interesting piece of trivia about the design. See an article (with picture) here The Final (Ballpark) Solution: Does the Metrodome Roof Contain a Giant Swastika? - City Pages Vol 26 Issue 1276 first published May 18, 2005 Group29 15:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears that the newly installed 2011 roof has a pattern more like a checkerboard than the zig-zags ending in the swastika. Group29 (talk) 00:31, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swastika 

message: It looks really bad that there is no pic in the infobox.  It really doesn't matter if its football or baseball.  I'll move one there, just to make it look better.Duckblazer 02:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: * Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome ... domed
* Arrowhead Stadium ... outside
* Qwest Field ... roofed
Just a note. J. D. Redding 02:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Loudest stadiums

message: "Controvery" is such a terrible mess that I suggest deleting it entirely.  This part of the entry reads like "stadium issue blogging" written by someone without the slightest understanding of the NPOV policy. 
Just a few examples (though several dozen are obvious):
"The Metrodome is thought to be an increasingly poor fit for all three of its major tenants"
"The indoor venue is particularly welcome ..."
"It is impossible for the citizens of mid-sized U.S. metropolitan areas ... to be assured that any given professional sports team will remain in the area."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.177.108 (talk) 04:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy? 

message: I don't understand why the current one is shot from this angle, showing the most under-developed and grey region around the Metrodome. It just couldn't be worse. The Metrodome is actually seated in a prosperous area and there are many ways to make a beautiful picture.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.33.142 (talk) 00:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please replace the head picture with one with the background of downtown Minneapolis skyline. 

message: At best the Cookie cutter stadiums is an Original Research essay. It shows a remarkable misunderstanding and contempt for stadium design. I removed this category. Group29 18:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cookie cutter stadium category 

message: I've never heard this before, pretty sure it's made up. I'm gonna delete it if no one objects. Smarterthanu91 • Talk 06:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Beat ya to it. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleting it once again, if it's put bak up, please source it Rapier1 (talk) 07:46, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Humpty Dump"? 

message: I added a Cite tag to this. The reason for this is that not only is it uncited, but there is evidence that Griffith was never too thrilled with the Metrodome. Carolus (talk) 15:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for Twins move 

message: This sentence is a mess:
More common is for a ball to strike an overhead speaker, which are even closer to the playing surface; such balls are also alive and in-play (although starting with the 2005 MLB season, the ground rules for balls hitting the speakers have been changed as David Ortiz of the Boston Red Sox discovered when a deep fly ball that would have been a home run, excepting speaker interference bounced off a speaker and landed in fair territory (Ortiz was awarded a single and the Twins went on to win the game).
User:Bkil 14:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which I see you did already. The "fact" tags are a bit superfluous, as the speakers get hit fairly frequently, especially the ones on the third base side. I should point out that the roof itself is still a mess. They should vacuum it once in awhile. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Hey, thanks! We really needed an expert helping out in this area, as I'm illiterate in sports... I also see you've got some good sense of humor! ;-) bkil (talk) 00:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The roof is a mess 

message: It opened in 1982 and it's 31 years old?  Excuse me?
69.29.50.158 (talk) 13:42, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. That bit of vandalism was introduced in late October, now fixed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age move 

message: The headline sums it up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.254.60 (talk) 00:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 68.xxx, thanks for the headline, I understand the situation now. At first, I thought that the stadium finally figured out how much people hated it, and tried to implode itself. It failed, though, and couldn't blow itself up either. :P - BilCat (talk) 01:34, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metrodome roof collapsed 

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message: It seems someone has gone through and removed the word "the" from the references to "the Metrodome".  This is very jarring, as the stadium simply isn't referred to in that fashion in either common usage locally or in any of the sources quoted in the article.  I've started re-adding it, but if I miss any feel free to add it as well.  To anybody that wants to change it back, please find a reliable source stating that simply calling it "Metrodome" as opposed to "the Metrodome" is proper.  Thanks! SeanNovack (talk) 19:35, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Any stadium with the suffix "dome" or "grounds" has typically been preceded by "the" in common usage. The stadium itself will typically not have "the" posted in front of it, nor would it be presented that way in a tabular list. But in prose, "the" is typically used. It once went further than that, for example Yankee Stadium was often called "the Yankee Stadium" in its early years. A somewhat parallel usage is the big sign at Wrigley Field which says "Home of Chicago Cubs". In normal prose you would say "the home of the Chicago Cubs". The "thes" are not necessary for a sign or a list. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Metrodome" v "the Metrodome" 

message: There is a discussion over whether articles about buildings should contain sections on usage and events. Some say such sections are violations of WP:COATRACK. Depending on how the discussion goes, about 2000 words of this article might be removed. If anyone has thoughts about the issue they can participate at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Golden Domes.   Will Beback  talk   00:40, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A usage or event is only a "coatrack" if it's disproportionately covered. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the issue is, in an article on a building, how much coverage of events is too much.   Will Beback  talk   01:01, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage section - coatrack? 

message: The lede includes the sentence, "The Metrodome was home to the National Football League's Minnesota Vikings, and the Big Ten's University of Minnesota Golden Gophers baseball team through 2010 and 2012, respectively." I can't find anything, anywhere that suggests the Viking have stopped using the Metrodome. Nothing appears on their page. There is talk of a new stadium in Ramsey County on the Vikings Stadium page, but nothing suggests that the Vikings will disappear this year.
Can someone with more knowledge on the topic either correct the 'was' or explain it in the article? I was just here for the architecture, so I wouldn't even know what primary sources to consult. Kevin/Last1in (talk) 15:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While clearly just my opinion, I'm sure they will figure out some arrangement for the next couple years while potential new stadium talks go on. Officially for now though, the lease they had to play there has ended. It's hidden a bit, but there in the replacement facilities section. --Onorem♠Dil 15:52, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "WAS" for the Vikings? 

message: why was there a home field advantage for the twins on those world series'? the white roof and the turf.. was it just that the twins were used to them while visiting teams weren't?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.7.241.1 (talk) 10:56, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Reason for home field advantage

message: I added a section on the demolition process near the end of the article. I'm not sure if it's placed in the best place withing the article. Should it be merged with the replacements section? Also, I've added a date range for the demolition to the main infobox, similar to that seen on Yankee Stadium (1923). I assumed the deflation of the roof marked the beginning of demolition. 
Also at some point we'll have to go through the entire article and change all tenses from present to past. I'm not sure when this move will be appropriate, it isn't now I don't think since the building is technically still there. 
--Tommie91•Talk•Contribs 15:58, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demolition, tense changes 

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message: I would like to say I am extremely sorry for my previous edits. I unfortunately did not know there was a section, partly because it was some what hard to find. I made the unfortunate error of creating a section that had already been created concerning the 2010 roof collapse. Again I am sorry. I feel kind of ignorant and foolish for wasting the edit history. 
Ps I reverted my edits 
BigRed606 (talk) 07:31, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apologies