Talk:New Chronology (Rohl)

message: Since an editor has seen fit to tag this article, I'll get the (pointless) ball rolling.  I disagree with the contention that this article lends undue weight to a subject and I am against merging it with Rohl's biographical article.  Reasons?  It's a theory that has seen some publicity, users might want to know more about it from Wikipedia, the article is sourced, and the article contains a whole section of criticism.  I'm a Wikipedia inclusionist, and I see no reason to remove well-written articles because most experts disagree with the subject matter.  I mean, I think ancient astronaut theories are a load of crap, but I'm not about to remove it because it gives undue weight to a crackpot theory, or put it all on Zecharia Sitchin's page. TuckerResearch (talk) 20:15, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I am called the Rohl fanboy around here, but I have to say I have my troubles with Mr Rohl. He has not published anything to further substantiate the theory that he has put forward in "A Test of Time". He has published a number of books and expanded his revised chronology, but he has not presented comprehensive evidence to solidify his initial claims. He had said his reluctance to publish his material had to do with his pending PhD, but nothing has happened about that in the last 15 years. Also, if his theory had any merit, more egyptologists would be "defecting" to his side. I very much appreciate Mr Rohl for forcefully pointing out the essential (and I had thought obvious) flaws in the conventional chronology, but I have indeed become cautious about the New Chronology. Heck, I have written software to create a website and charts and tables, but Mr Rohl does not make it easy to take him seriously. Personally I find his attitude and temper rather irritating. ♆ CUSH ♆ 21:40, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

text: As a non-Egyptologist the most farcical aspect of discussions about Rohl's chronology is how vehemently it is attacked by those who are quite happy maintaining at least three (High, Middle, and Low) sets of dates for much of their own sacred chronologies. While mainstream Egyptian chronology is in such a shambolic state you could equally argue for its removal on the grounds of disagreement by experts.TheMathemagician (talk) 15:15, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: Mainly because there's a lot of material he wrote still in the article. Doug Weller talk 16:03, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, be bold and rewrite/replace the sections in question. I had thought this work had already been done years ago. ♆ CUSH ♆ 18:57, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Too busy. Maybe after I'm off the Arbitration Commmittee, but this just isn't a high priority. Doug Weller talk 18:55, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  COI tag 

message: Apparently the following reference was deemed worthy of stating that Rohl's assertions about Shishak = Ramesses II are not "widely accepted".
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=stMd0QV97IYC&pg=PA193&dq=Shishak+and+Sysw+David+Rohl&num=100&ei=KOd1SvaKKI_-ygTSzuz-Ag&client=firefox-a&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
To quote:
"Rohl's theory, however, founders on the rather firm and well-accepted Egyptian chronology, and, therefore, has not met with wide acceptance amongst Egyptologists. In addition, his attempt to account for the biblical spelling of Shishak [...] is scarcely convincing, [...]"
With *no* references to any other-authored works ("See my note" indeed!).  
So we have an assertion with a reference of the same assertion with no corroborating material. Rohl may well be wrong, but at least he doesn't leave dangling circular assertions as references in order to support his claims.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.30.38.78 (talk) 05:07, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circularity 

message: By any measure the result of the malicious attempt to delete a person's article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Rohl was KEEP.  Keep by MAJORITY and policy.  But TWO PEOPLE chose redirect, so a person's article was deleted and merged to this article.  It's a poor decision.  Rohl met all notability guidelines and his article referenced other parts of his biography outside the New Chronology, like a band (Mandalaband).  Yet, here we are.  The administrator who took it upon himself to make the merge decision and perform the merger did no actual merging of the two distinct articles, just slapped a redirect on David Rohl and went on his merry way.  A poor merge.  Poor, poor, poor. TuckerResearch (talk) 16:19, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor merger decision, poor merge action 

message: I have opened a deletion review: Wikipedia:Deletion_review#David_Rohl.  Please comment if you'd like. TuckerResearch (talk) 16:26, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion review

message: I agree that the David Rohl article needs to be improved and added to to make it more notable and differentiate it from the New Chronology article.  Here is a start: 
Here is a reference to David Rohl and his band Mandalaband in a history of prog rock:   Here in Italian book on "opera rock" and the concept album:   That's just two real quick, outside his work on the New Chronology.  On the subject of ancient history, biblical history, biblical chronology, and Egyptology, he is referenced in many books.  Yes, often to bash his views on the New Chronology, but nevertheless, to discuss him.  Here is a bit about his theory on the location of the Garden of Eden, which is a theory that does not rest on his alternative New Chronology:   Outside his work on the New Chronology, which the DELETE voters and REDIRECT voters mistakenly claim is his only claim to notability, his work on pre-dynastic rock art in the Eastern Desert (east of the Nile) in Egypt (Rohl, David M., ed. The Followers of Horus: Eastern Desert Survey Report. Basingstoke, UK: Institute for the Study of Interdisciplinary Sciences, 2000.) is well-cited by other, mainstream scholars, which contributes to his notability.  See the Google Scholar citations here: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=6604976640384538213&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en.  How is that for a start? 
Thanks, TuckerResearch (talk) 17:54, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Improve the [[David Rohl]] article