Talk:Dendera Temple complex

message: It looks to me like this page should not be listed as an unsolved problem in Egyptology.  From reading the page, I gather that there is a consensus among Egyptologists that the ancient Egyptians did not build or draw light bulbs.  --Allen 23:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe move it to Pseudoarchaeology? -- Limulus 03:22, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsolved problems?

message: this article needs a picture! --Awiseman 04:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: What exactly do you mean by "other egyptologists" (in contrast to "traditionally egyptologists")? Those who haven't a formal eduacation in egyptology? --Pjacobi 18:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't give references to contemporary egyptology. Citing 19th century stuff doesn't help. --Pjacobi 09:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: You cannot proof a negative. If you want to put in, that there is a controversy within contemporary egyptology, you better can provide references to this. Giving turn of the century (19th to 20th, that's the point) references is a smokescreen only. --Pjacobi 11:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't doubt a popular discussion of this topic, even notable enough to be mentioned here by WP:FRINGE, but academic egyptology has made up its mind by now. --Pjacobi 11:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he doesn't really have to. It is you who has to find real Egyptologists who do support this if you want it mentioned as a legitimate inquest in the discipline. Egyptologists do not interact with these kinds of theories. They reject them outright and ignore them. Thanatosimii 19:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Other egyptologists" 

message: Please list the specific neutrality issues. If no response, tag should be removed.  J. D. Redding
:Emphasizing the fringe POV that there is an Unsolved problem[s] in Egyptology: Did Egyptians have some form of understanding of electricity? Did the Egyptians use batteries? What is the relief at Dendera?, for a start. --Pjacobi 11:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: neutrality

message: Please list the factual accuracy issues. If no response, tag should be removed. J. D. Redding
:Presenting this fringe POV as a minority POV within Egyptology. --Pjacobi 11:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is not accepted withing Egyptology. Do not believe the sources you are reading, I can assure you they will not pass WP:RS. Thanatosimii 19:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: factual accuracy

message: Please note some more photographs and pictures at http://www.aegyptologie.com/forum/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?action=albumthumb&idn=20030602223751 -- there is also commentary. The source is a dissertation of Wolfgang Waitkus at University Hamburg, vorgelegt (1991),  "Die Texte in den unteren Krypten des Hathortempels von Dendera".
Even if you take the picture alone, you will note that the "light bulb" is held by human or gods in some of the reliefs, so there's not always the isolator-like object present.
Anyway, discussion with domain experts at :de: once more had the unsurprising outcome, that the ancient egypt electricity thesis isn't held by any contemporary egyptologists. As Reddi wasn't able to unearth a source for the contrary (especially given the gae of the non-ufologist sources), we should drop "Unsolved problems in Egyptology" here now and cleanup that section.
Pjacobi 23:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I do think that some mention of the interest of paranormal researchers in the so-called Dendera light might be useful, though any mention of a controversy in Egyptology must have sources of course. Makerowner 00:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The dendera light material needs sources, of course, but it also belongs in an ancillary article, per Undue Weight in NPOV. This isn't a real controversy in Egyptology. Thanatosimii 01:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the Dendera light proposal notable enough to have an article to itself? I'm not saying it isn't, I just don't know how important this is in 'alternative archeology' fields. If it is important enough, maybe the article should be split, but I think the current version gives due weight to the 'controversy': it mentions what some fringe science people believe, but doesn't go into detail.Makerowner 15:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At this stage, I haven't seen enough sources to justify the "lightbulb" theory being included. Addhoc 16:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  IMHO the real problem with proceeding is lack of (a) domain experts to expand the article and (v) lack of pictures. We we jsut dump the light bulb, there is no reason to single out that image. The Dendera temple complex is covered in reliefs, and that just two of them (zodiac and light bulb) are disproportionally known and covered on the Web and in Daniketes' Scriptures, is just an effect of selective reception. --Pjacobi 19:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Light bulb 

message: "One of the best ... if not the best" -- twice referenced in this article alone,  shouldn't this be cleaned up? Hello? Anyone?
Shameful, non-NPOV, not very encyclopedic, there are over 8000 references
:: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22if+not+the+best%22+site%3Aen.wikipedia.org
:::Those are nearly all talk pages, not actual articles. As for this instance, "best" is not necesarraly pov. By archaeological standards, it is not wrong to say that this complex is among the best preserved. It is not a statement of subjective value, but of objective degree of preservation. Thanatosimii 01:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed the two ...if not the best... metions in the article. To assert such thing, there should be some sources that assert this, otherwise is WP:Original_research WP:NNPOV, don't know which one it fits better. And I know that  WP:Original_research is still in hot debate, but I think that its application here is warranted Samuel Sol 11:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not The Best 

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message: — Assignment last updated by Coryannyyz (talk) 14:33, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: ANTH 420 Museum Anthropology

message: For this article I have made the following changes:
* I have added information regarding the history of the construction of the complex in the "Description" section, as well as definitions for certain elements featured at the complex.
* I have added information regarding "dead" deities that are represented at the complex and how they tie into another archaeological site.
* I have added information regarding the theft of the Dendera Zodiac.
* I have added information about the Dendera Light and how Harsomtus is related to Hathor.
* I have added information under the "Roman mammisi" section regarding the presence of the Romans in Egypt.
* I have added a section titled "Recent Discoveries" to highlight the sphinx that was found at the site by archaeologists in March of 2023.
* Throughout the article I have improved sentence structure and overall grammatical styling.
To improve this article, I would like to look for more information to put under the "Tourism" section. The information in this section does not have a source to back it up, and I was only able to find a blog that mentioned the tourist falling from the roof. In addition to this, I think it would be a good idea to incorporate a labeled diagram of the Hathor Temple as opposed to just listing the "layout elements." I don't know if this is something that could be found online or created, but it might be a cool thing to add. Information on the different crypts at the Hathor Temple could be another addition to the article - who was buried in these crypts? Abbymar1416 (talk) 00:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I visited the temple in august of 2023 and we were allowed to go all the way up to the roof of the large hypostyle hall. However, roof and crypts were extra fees each. 84.62.28.36 (talk) 23:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki Education Assignment: Contributions as of 04/28 

message: The "Description" section starts with the sentence: "The entirety of the complex sprawls across roughly 40,000 square meters and is surrounded by a sizable mudbrick wall."
Well, when I measure this mudbrick wall on the satelite map, it turns out to be roughly 280 meter by 280 meter which multiplies up to an area of 78,400 square meter... which is almost twice the 40,000 mentioned here. Is there a specific reason for this discrepancy or is it a mistake? 84.62.28.36 (talk) 22:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing this out. The 40,000 square meters figure isn't sourced, so I have removed it. A. Parrot (talk) 03:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong area size? 

message: Should we add a mention of the "melting stairs"? —Kri (talk) 20:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melting stairs