Talk:Gamelan

message: Based on Jaap Kunst's book I've corrected an assertion of Camembert that the octaves are not perfect.  The intervals vary from one gamelan to the next, but the sum of the intervals remains just one octave for each gamelan. Some specifis based on Kunst's careful measurements are now given. Michael Hardy 22:03, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Michael Tenzer's book Gamelan Gong Kebyar: The Art of Twentieth-Century Balinese Music describes the tuning near octaves in Balinese gamelans. Specifically he suggests a spiral model of pitch to account for both octave equivalency, which the Balinese hear, and the slight non-equivalency of each octave. Hyacinth 22:19, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: A recent edit was summarized by saying Kunst fudged his data to get perfect octaves.  Could someone tell us the story behind that?  Who demonstrated his guilt and how?  What are the details?  Specifically where were they published?  (Give book titles, article titles, authors' names.) Michael Hardy 03:03, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Octaves

message: This is confusing:
"...pairs which are tuned slightly apart so as to produce beat(?) which are(?) ideally at a consistent speed for all pairs of notes in all registers. It is thought that this contributes to the very "busy" and "shimmering" sound of gamelan ensembles."
that "beat" is linked ambiguously. Is this supposed to refer to "beat tones" (if that's the term?)  As with the pulses heard when say a pair of guitar strings are just off unison?
:Yes. Hyacinth 21:31, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing passage

message: Where did you find that Debussy heard a gamelan tuned in the madenda scale?
:I had never heard that, and replaced it with a referenced explanation that he heard the slendro scale. Rigadoun  (talk) 19:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Madenda

message: Just added a sentence at the beginning about how the term "gamelan" is used by people in the trade - if it's unclear, feel free to remove it or ask me to try rephrasing/expanding. Rabican 18:34, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Use

message: I'm surprised there's no mention at all of the wayang in the article! I'm not sure where I'd put it, though. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 05:32, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  no wayang? 

message: I've organized the images that Fir0002 added the other day, following the guidelines at Wikipedia:Images. I removed the gallery, because the images did not add any useful information to the article, and were of the same subjects that the photos I left in were of. If a reader is interested in more pictures, there is already a link to the Commons.
Putting images in a column like they were is not a perferable way of organizing the images. When they are in a column, they do not support the content of the article, because there is no way to tell what part of the article they are related to. They become a distraction, and they overwhelm the text! ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 01:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image organization 

message: At the moment we have a section with subsections listing
# Balinese gamelan ensembles
# Javanese gamelan ensembles
# Other Indonesian gamelan ensembles
But these aren't lists of specific ensembles, but rather *kinds* of gamelans. This risks being confused with lists of gamelan groups. Can we make that clearer? -- Danny Yee 22:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  gamelan "ensembles" 

message: I've started a new section to discuss links to dance, wayang, etc.  It's just a one sentence placeholder at the moment, but I plan to expand it.  We really need separate articles on Javanese dance and Balinese dance, or possibly one Javanese and Balinese dance article. -- Danny Yee 06:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural context 

message: I've started to create/improve individual articles on the instruments of the gamelan, but I play in a Gamelan Surakarta and my knowledge is mostly limited to that. I wonder if some of you (especially those who play Balinese/Sundanese gamelan) could review the articles and make them more general to other kinds of gamelan. So far I did saron (instrument), bonang, gong ageng, kempyang and ketuk, and kendang. (There is already gendér and some of the elaborating instruments.) I should get around to the others soon. I was also thinking of making a template to navigate between the instruments easily. Rigadoun 20:46, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instruments 

message: :Traditionally, "gamelan" comes from the Javanese word "gamel", meaning hammer.
Does it come from something else non-traditionally? Is "etymologically" meant here? --Ptcamn 05:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditionally 

message: I propose we move this material to a separate article gamelan outside Indonesia.  What do people think? -- Danny Yee 02:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It is the longest section of this article, which seems to imply it is more important than the Indonesian kind. Systemic bias, I'm afraid.  Rigadoun  (talk) 15:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does "Gamelan outside Indonesia" seem right, or can you think of a better name for the new article? -- Danny Yee 12:55, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't think of anything better, that would be inclusive of Australia, Europe, and North America. It can be renamed later if we think of something better. Rigadoun  (talk) 18:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  gamelan outside indonesia 

message: The article includes links to web pages with notations for gamelan music. The articel on musical notation (which is curretly very eurocentric) does not contain any hint on this. It would be great if maybe one of you experts on gamelan music could change that and also elaborate on the notation system(s?) used either in the Gamelan article or in the musical notation article or in an extra article referenced by both). Nannus 18:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a bit on gamelan notation at Kepatihan, but there could be much more. I've been meaning to add a discussion of this to the article. Rigadoun  (talk) 23:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I added that, as well as a history section, and added text to the section on different styles. I propose moving the list to its own article, so it doesn't break up the flow of the article, and just mention some of the principal styles or what makes them distinctive in a prose overview. Without such context, the list is a bit bewildering to a novice. Rigadoun  (talk) 20:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work.  And yes, moving the list of varieties to a separate article seems sensible to me. -- Danny Yee 03:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notation 

message: The section on tuning is interesting but how exactly does one tune a gong, or xylophone for that matter? Thanks. Astrophil 22:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A xylophone or other similarly-shaped idiophone is tuned by shaving material (wood or metal) from the ends (to make it sharper) or from the middle (to make it flatter)--or do I have those backwards? Gongs are similarly tuned by shaving from certain parts, or wax can be added to parts that are too thin. I'll see if I can find a description of it somewhere and add a referenced mention of it in the article. Rigadoun  (talk) 17:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, yes, that is backwards, Rigadoun. The fundamental pitch of a vibrating body is largely determined by the ratio of the masses on either side of the nodes. On a bar instrument such as a xylophone key, the nodes are the two points by which the bar is suspended (if you've done it right...). So shaving material from the middle (between the nodes) raises the pitch, while shaving material from the ends (outside the nodes) lowers the pitch. Or you can add material to the middle to lower the pitch, or add material to the ends to raise it. For a gong, which is a vibrating plate, the situation is a bit more complicated. The nodes are circular, distributed concentrically across the face of the gong like a bull's eye. The equivalent of shaving the middle of the key is thinning the material on the boss (the knob), whereas the equivalent of shaving the ends is thinning the material on the shoulder. However, the acoustics of gongs are significantly more complicated that those of bar instruments. What the ear hears as a fundamental pitch with a gong is actually a standing wave created by a steady sweep through a specific range of frequencies. That is to say, the ear (in a sense) hears the slope of the curve, and not the curve itself. This makes it very difficult to tune a gong without horribly screwing things up--it's easy to make the sweep unstable, or split it into multiple simultaneous bands. The main purpose of the wax additions to gongs, especially big ones, is to dampen the unwanted bands and stabilize the sweep. In short: any old fool can tune a xylophone. It takes a special fool to tune a gong.Rikyu 19:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to tune a gong 

message: Bold text  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.50.187.92 (talk) 09:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  jjggkguutgiui 

message: Please see Talk:List of gamelan ensembles in the United States, and comment, if you wish. Badagnani (talk) 02:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of gamelan references

message: That high-pitched alternation in Hot Ride may or may not be gamelan, but even if a citation proved it to be, it can hardly be said that Prodigy have used that sample for the gamelan sound, or even that it gives an impression of the sound. I think the example should go. 78.94.3.221 (talk) 17:43, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I proceeded to replace that with a better example.95.222.120.117 (talk) 10:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prodigy's song Hot Ride 

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of gamelan ensembles in the United States (2nd nomination). Badagnani (talk) 00:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of gamelan ensembles in the United States (2nd nomination)]] 

message: It has been suggested that :Template:Gamelan instruments and :Template:Gendhing be merged into :Template:Gamelan. Discuss. Hyacinth (talk) 20:15, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the gamelan instruments template useful where it is in this article.  What, exactly, would "merging" it mean?  Would the list of instruments and their grouping still be available with the Gamlean article?  I would, in fact, find a similar chart of Balinese gamelan instruments useful, as well.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.174.105 (talk) 20:00, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Gamelan. Also see WP:MERGE. Hyacinth (talk) 00:03, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge: Template:Gamelan with Template:Gamelan instruments & Template:Gendhing

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gamelan gong gede. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gamelan gong gede]] 

message: Can someone please add the pronunciation of the word gamelan to the article? Thank you.
Ceaseless (talk) 00:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Was intrigued by this sentence "Gamelan has also become quite widespread along the South East of Sri Lanka" but no citations are given. Added cn. Tried a google search and it turned up many web pages that quote Wikipedia (or its source whatever that is) verbatim but they don't give sources either.
Anyone know if it is true, and what the source is? Robert Walker (talk) 20:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Gamelan in Sri Lanka

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message: Please add a recording, but a fine one!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.84.219.141 (talk) 02:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: The current revision of the article has sections "Influence on Western music" and "Influence on contemporary music". But the former contains contemporary examples and the latter contains Western examples. I could simply tweak both sections, but maybe we should instead ask: What is the proper division of labor? Should we just have one section? Should we have a section on Indonesian music and one on non-Indonesian music? Mgnbar (talk) 18:47, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two intermingled sections 

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message: Gamelan Hanuman in Finland since 1986. 80.220.69.72 (talk) 14:05, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gamelan outside Indonesia 

message: Following instruments of gamelan 112.198.72.22 (talk) 02:09, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: There are two different concepts included on the same Wikipedia page and on Wikidata side they are separated as they belong to different hierarchies. Now mapping between wikipedia and wikidata is complicated because of this.
gamelan (ensemble) and 
gamelan (genre)
The Wikipedia content should be split to two pages accordingly.
Saarik (talk) 07:25, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split:  gamelan music genre and gamelan music ensemble 

message: How come no mention of famous Gamelan compositions and composers? Would be a great resource for beginners. The only compositions and composers listed so far are mostly at the bottom section relating to international influence, which is a shame. Dinda Damarati (talk) 08:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gamelan compositions and composers?