Talk:FIFA Men's World Ranking

message: The article states that one member, São Tomé and Príncipe, is not included in the rankings as they have not played a recognised international fixture since their 8–0 loss against Libya in 2003. The report for this match is located here. São Tomé and Príncipe were excluded in November 2007 on completing four years without a fixture, as rankings take into account only results over the last 4 years.
Papua New Guinea played their most recent game on 13 July 2007 and have no upcoming fixtures scheduled by FIFA, so we might expect that they will be excluded too when the rankings are updated on 27 July this year, and be ready to reflect this in the article.
FIFA refers to  as "São Tomé e Príncipe" (in Portuguese), by the way. --Theurgist (talk) 21:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  São Tomé e Príncipe and Papua New Guinea 

message: The following is a list of national football teams ranked by their highest FIFA score ever reached.
Rank	Nation	Points	Date
1   	      	1920  	17 November 2010
2   	      	1730  	9 March 2011
3   	      	1672  	1 July 2009
4   	      	1653  	13 June 2007
5   	      	1616  	14 March 2007
6   	      	1585  	13 June 2007
7   	      	1490  	15 September 2010
8   	      	1477  	13 September 2006
9   	      	1323  	13 June 2007
10  	      	1312  	13 September 2006
Why did you delete my table, PeeJay2k3? Why do you think is "unnecessary"? Just because England is 8th??? With your point of view almost everything is "unnecessary". Please, respect the work of the others, you are not the Wikipedia's owner.— Preceding unsigned comment added by User:89.129.13.168 (talk • contribs) 
Again PeePeeJay2k3? If you can not understand the encyclopEdic value of this does not mean is worthless, just your brain. There are another "All-time highest ratings" lists in other articles and no "wisdomlessboy" says "what is the encyclopaedic value of this?". Who do you think you are? We try to make, with our job, Wikipedia larger, greater and with more data to consult and a child, who thinks is the Wikipedia's owner, the only thing he does here is delete the people's work. I repeat: "Who do you think you are??".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.203.171.197 (talk) 19:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The table appears to be original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. If a table or analysis of highest ranking scores has not been published elsewhere, it cannot be included here, as Wikipedia is a tertiary source. I doubt PeeJay is bothered about England's position; he isn't English. Oldelpaso (talk) 20:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Please read the linked policy page, particularly the section headed "Synthesis of published material that advances a position". I can't help but raise a smile at your accusation of a pro-Manchester United bias on my part, as nothing could be further from the truth. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: All-time highest ratings

message: I could be mistaken, but doesn't the current system quite heavily discourage friendly matches? For example, if a team plays 10 world cup qualifying matches in a year and wins 5 of them, they might get 500 points for that year (1000 for each win averaged [example numbers] times 5, divided by total matches). However, let's say another team also plays 10 world cup qualifying matches, winning 5, but additionally plays 10 friendly matches, also winning 5 of those. In that case they might get (5*1000+5*500)/20=375 points. The straight forward solution would be to instead of using multipliers simply do a weighted average, meaning instead of dividing by total matches you divide by the total "importance rating" for all games. Considering they did "research" to come up with this new method I cannot believe they overlooked something so simple, so maybe the description is wrong rather than the method. MatsT (talk) 21:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Only discourages friendlies if the teams' management and associations prioritise ranking above revenue and match practice.  But this is a talk page about constructing the article, not a forum for discussing the pros and cons of the rankings system, so this should be dropped.  Kevin McE (talk) 23:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As the ranking is used for things such as seeding into qualifier groups, it's definitely not trivial, but I agree I should take that issue elsewhere if the current description is correct. MatsT (talk) 03:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discouraging friendly matches? 

message: I noticed User:98.207.152.31 edited this page a few weeks ago with regards to penalty shootouts in two-legged draws. However, he did not add a source, and rather left the current one which contradicted him and agreed with what was there. So, I have reinserted the original content and left a message on his talk page. If anyone has a source saying he's right, insert it. Smartyllama (talk) 21:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking Shootout two-leg ties 

message: You may have noticed FIFA have updated the September ranking (i.e. they have published a new ranking this week - one a bit different from the one they've published on Sep 21).
The explanation is here.
I think this should be somehow included in the article, but feel free to do as you see fit. I don't want to make an edit and then to have someone remove the content because "blog not a RS for blogger's claim of his own influence" :)
Edgar (talk) 09:58, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  September ranking updated 

message: There have now been at least three (and maybe more) occasions when users have merged multiple cells indicating the progressions of multiple teams as one. See here for a prediction of the probable rankings in December. Let's suppose this holds true. How would we then like to have our table on 21 December:
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 90%; margin-left: 1em;"	        	        	
Rankings	Rankings	Rankings	Rankings
Rank    	Change  	Team    	Points
1       	        	        	1564
2       	        	        	1365
3       	        	        	1345
4       	        	        	1309
5       	        	        	1173
6       	        	        	1143
7       	        	        	1100
8       	        	        	1091
9       	        	        	1082
10      	        	        	1067
11      	        	        	1035
12      	        	        	971
13      	        	        	970
14      	        	        	964
15      	        	        	915
16      	        	        	912
17      	        	        	898
18      	        	        	891
19      	        	        	884
20      	3       	        	867
21      	1       	        	864
22      	1       	        	851
23      	1       	        	838
24      	        	        	795
25      	        	        	788
This is sort of an extreme case, because in most months teams play games fairly often and tend to move up and down the rankings quite irregularly, and thus few or no cells can possibly be merged. In my view the practice of merging is: (1) not generally applied for such purposes, both on Wikipedia and off; (2) less intuitive; (3) not contributory to understanding; (4) especially inappropriate when the merging affects just a few cells. I'm reverting the edit for now, and I'm anticipating comments by other users. --Theurgist (talk) 03:38, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly, I'm not that keen on drawing undue levels of attention to minor fluctuations (consider the most recent update: Brazilian football has not suffered any great disaster, but European teams have just had a series of high value matches), and the arrows are garish and ugly.  But if they are wanted (and they were introduced without any discussion), then they should be as per the first example above. Kevin McE (talk) 17:32, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging cells 

message: Recently editors have started adding movement data to the team articles when updating these stats each month.  I would suggest that minor month to month changes are unlikely to be very notable, but when there is no movement, the reader is confronted with a meaningless turquoise coloured bar.  Readers should not be left to guess what on earth such a thing can mean.  I suggest that this extra detail on the updates should be discontinued.  Kevin McE (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this proposal. --John (talk) 20:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If suitable alt text or "hover over" text is provided, then these symbols are just fine.  They're are used ubiquitously in business articles to demonstrate an increase or decrease in positioning, likewise in tennis articles on weekly basis when ATP change their rankings.  It's far from confusing, but if it is then let's use the tools we have to make it less confusing.  I've already asked User:RexxS (who has a clue about ACCESS, which, while not directly pertinent, is useful here) to comment, and in the meantime I don't understand why one user should just wholesale remove all these templates when they actually provide factual information to the general reader.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates on nft articles 

message: It usually seems to fall to me to update the Template:FIFA World Ranking leaders displayed on this page each month.  This month, although I did nothing other than change the date of the end of the chart as usual, it has refused to display the Spain label at the top of the chart.  Has the template reached some sort of maximum length?  Kevin McE (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I tested some till dates in preview and the only dates where Spain disappeared were 08/08/2012 and 09/08/2012. I don't know whether they hit some boundary issue in the timeline extension or what but the date is not displayed anyway so I suggest to just change it. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:43, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad it's not just me.  Thanks for looking.  I've displayed it until 7th Aug: the percentage inaccuracy is negligible.  I'll flag it up at the pump, and see what happens next month.  Kevin McE (talk) 20:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what you mean. If you are referring to the Spanish flag icon. It's being displayed already.--JOJ Hutton 00:00, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No: it was a glitch in the timeline specific to a couple of dates last month: the top occurrence of Spain's name wouldn't display, compare the link above to the timeline as on the article now.  We were able to evade the issue with a marginally inaccurate date last month, and this month it has not arisen.  Don't think we ever got to the cause. Kevin McE (talk) 00:08, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Can anyone help?

message: According to current discussion at WT:FOOTY, a list of the top 20 can confidently be assumed to be within allowances if FIFA is likely to be protective of copyright.  The table has had headers at various times claiming that having more than 30, and later 25, teams could cause copyright difficulties, although whether any specialist legal knowledge was behind that advice is unclear.  At least 20, 25 and 30 have the advantage of being multiples of the number of digits most of us have on each hand: an editor this morning is attempting to add a 26th, which seems a rather random inclusion: the "top 26" is rareley, if ever, sougt after data.  I reverted, but in apparent ignorance of, or indifference to, the principles of BRD, he continued.  
Suggest reducing to the legally confident top 20: if the upshot of discussion here and at WT:FOOTY is that there should be more than 25/30 on the list, then it seems evident that a full list will be a separate article from this one that deals with the nature and history of the rankings.  Kevin McE (talk) 11:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: 20 sounds good to me. --Dweller (talk) 11:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely no more than 10% in a snapshot, which equates to 20. If we want a full table that's fine by me, and it should be advertised via a hatnote at the very top of the article, but it shouldn't be bolted onto the side of the article. —WFC—  12:23, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of entries in the ranking table displayed here 

message: Apologies for the belated notice on this page. Please visit the discussion here. --Dweller (talk) 13:38, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of top 25 countries in FIFA 

message: This article seems inaccurate when showing how the ranking points are achieved for each match. According to the FIFA website, there is no dividing by 100 in any of the ranking calculations. Besides, when multiplied by 100 later in the formula given by whoever wrote this article, it would cancel out anyway. Just thought this should be corrected.
See: http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/procedureandschedule/menprocedure/index.html
65.51.94.15 (talk) 18:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking Calculations 

message: As stated at the begining of this article, it is about Men's teams ranking only. Shouldn't the title reflect that? I would expect a page titled "FIFA World Rankings" to present all of the national teams rankings offered by the FIFA, with links to each of them, including FIFA Women's World Rankings and possibly others (youth?). I am new on wikipedia, so please consider this as an honest question even if you think the answer is obvious :) Racaillou (talk) 13:52, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The simple reason that this article refers to the men's rankings is that this is the name that FIFA uses for its men's ranking system. FIFA do not refer to the men's rankings as the "FIFA Men's World Rankings", but they do use the name "FIFA Women's World Rankings". – PeeJay 14:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well technically, they use "FIFA/Coca-Cola World Rankings". Is the sponsor's name dropped as per some WP policy on advertisement? On another note, the logo featured on fifa.com and on this page does say "Men's World Ranking" in its title, although it is undoubtly a less legitimate reference than the official name given by the FIFA.Racaillou (talk) 14:57, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: See also WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There is far more interest in men's football than women's. At the time of writing, FIFA World Rankings got 50671 page views in the last 30 days. FIFA Women's World Rankings got 3711. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright you convinced me. Thanks for having taken the time to answer these, PrimeHunter! Racaillou (talk) 13:47, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of page title in order? 

message: There are some changes.  89.172.222.147 (talk) 20:46, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  update 

message: The reasons for only having a snapshot of the top teams include copyright and maintainability. However, having gone through this page's feedback it is clear that a LOT of readers from a LOT of different countries come to this article expecting to find their country's ranking. In my opinion the current solution works well: we have the top 20, with a clearly marked link to the complete list. I'm posting this just in case anyone else has an idea on other ways we can help our readers find what they are looking for. —WFC— FL wishlist 16:12, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of entries 

message: FYI, reference link #9 goes to a page that no longer exists 108.90.236.29 (talk) 04:56, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: Why is strength of Opposition marked with a "T" in the FIFA rankings?  I get that "C" is already used for confederation strength, but where does the T come from.  I really hoped Wikipedia would have something about the code letters, because I can't find the logic.  Unfortunately, the article doesn't seem to use the FIFA code letters at all (maybe because they are confusing?).
:I'll make the radical guess that T stands for team strength, exactly as C stands for confederation strength.  But given that this page does not use those abbreviations, it is irrelevant to this article. Kevin McE (talk) 11:11, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  strength of opposition = T ?? 

message: Please note that monthly updates to the page are not complete unless the template:FIFA World Ranking leaders is also updated.  It is easy enough, especially if the leadership does not change, simply change the end date in the Period field. If there is a change in leadership, copy and paste one of the existing lines and tweak contents as necessary.  Kevin McE (talk) 11:11, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Monthly updates

message: I've calculated points of Spain and got some differences between my result and actual FIFA ranking points. There could be any other team but I cite the example of Spain because it's first in the June 2014 Ranking.
That's my calculations for Spain:
Date      	Opponent(FIFA Rankingon the match day)	Tournament/Friendly              	Result            	Match points
2011      	2011                                  	2011                             	2011              	2011
09/02/2011	(50)                                  	Friendly                         	1:0               	3*1*150*1 = 450
25/03/2011	(31)                                  	UEFA Euro 2012 qualification     	2:1               	3*2,5*169*1 = 1267,5
29/03/2011	(54)                                  	UEFA Euro 2012 qualification     	3:1               	3*2,5*146*1 = 1095
04/06/2011	(22)                                  	Friendly                         	4:0               	3*1*178*0,88 = 469,92
07/06/2011	(68)                                  	Friendly                         	3:0               	3*1*132*1 = 396
10/08/2011	(8)                                   	Friendly                         	1:2               	0*1*192*1 = 0
02/09/2011	(11)                                  	Friendly                         	3:2               	3*1*189*1 = 567
06/09/2011	(119)                                 	UEFA Euro 2012 qualification     	6:0               	3*2,5*81*1 = 607,5
07/10/2011	(40)                                  	UEFA Euro 2012 qualification     	2:0               	3*2,5*160*1 = 1200
11/10/2011	(52)                                  	UEFA Euro 2012 qualification     	3:1               	3*2,5*148*1 = 1110
12/11/2011	(7)                                   	Friendly                         	0:1               	0*1*193*1 = 0
15/11/2011	(62)                                  	Friendly                         	2:2               	1*1*138*0,88 = 121,44
2012      	2012                                  	2012                             	2012              	2012
29/02/2012	(46)                                  	Friendly                         	5:0               	3*1*154*1 = 462
26/05/2012	(32)                                  	Friendly                         	2:0               	3*1*168*1 = 504
30/05/2012	(31)                                  	Friendly                         	4:1               	3*1*169*0,86 = 436,02
03/06/2012	(64)                                  	Friendly                         	1:0               	3*1*134*0,86 = 345,72
10/06/2012	(12)                                  	UEFA Euro 2012                   	1:1               	1*3*188*1 = 564
14/06/2012	(18)                                  	UEFA Euro 2012                   	4:0               	3*3*182*1 = 1638
18/06/2012	(8)                                   	UEFA Euro 2012                   	1:0               	3*3*192*1 = 1728
23/06/2012	(14)                                  	UEFA Euro 2012                   	2:0               	3*3*186*1 = 1674
27/06/2012	(10)                                  	UEFA Euro 2012                   	0:0 a.e.t. 4:2 PSO	3*2*190*1 = 1140
01/07/2012	(12)                                  	UEFA Euro 2012                   	4:0               	3*3*188*1 = 1692
15/08/2012	(140)                                 	Friendly                         	2:1               	3*1*60*0,88 = 158,4
07/09/2012	(104)                                 	Friendly                         	5:0               	3*1*96*0,86 = 247,68
11/09/2012	(97)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup qualification	1:0               	3*2,5*103*1 = 772,5
12/10/2012	(76)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup qualification	4:0               	3*2,5*124*1 = 930
16/10/2012	(15)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup qualification	1:1               	3*2,5*185*1 = 462,5
14/11/2012	(43)                                  	Friendly                         	5:1               	3*1*157*0,88 = 414,48
2013      	2013                                  	2013                             	2013              	2013
06/02/2013	(16)                                  	Friendly                         	3:1               	3*1*184*1 = 552
22/03/2013	(85)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup qualification	1:1               	1*2,5*115*1 = 287,5
26/03/2013	(17)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup qualification	1:0               	3*2,5*183*1 = 1372,5
08/06/2013	(63)                                  	Friendly                         	2:1               	3*1*137*0,88 = 361,68
11/06/2013	(61)                                  	Friendly                         	2:0               	3*1*139*1 = 417
16/06/2013	(19)                                  	2013 FIFA Confederations Cup     	2:1               	3*3*181*1 = 1629
20/06/2013	(138)                                 	2013 FIFA Confederations Cup     	10:0              	3*3*62*0,85 = 474,3
23/06/2013	(31)                                  	2013 FIFA Confederations Cup     	3:0               	3*3*169*0,86 = 1308,06
27/06/2013	(8)                                   	2013 FIFA Confederations Cup     	0:0 a.e.t. 7:6 PSO	2*3*192*1 = 1152
30/06/2013	(22)                                  	2013 FIFA Confederations Cup     	0:3               	0*3*178*1 = 0
14/08/2013	(17)                                  	Friendly                         	2:0               	3*1*183*1 = 549
06/09/2013	(65)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup qualification	2:0               	3*2,5*135*1 = 1012,5
10/09/2013	(21)                                  	Friendly                         	2:2               	1*1*179*1 = 179
11/10/2013	(80)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup qualification	2:1               	3*2,5*120*1 = 900
15/10/2013	(97)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup qualification	2:0               	3*2,5*168*1 = 772,5
19/11/2013	(61)                                  	Friendly                         	0:1               	3*1*168*0,86 = 0
2014      	2014                                  	2014                             	2014              	2014
05/03/2014	(8)                                   	Friendly                         	1:0               	3*1*192*1 = 576
30/05/2014	(68)                                  	Friendly                         	2:0               	3*1*132*1 = 396
07/06/2014	(68)                                  	Friendly                         	2:0               	3*1*132*0,88 = 348,48
13/06/2014	(15)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup              	1:5               	3*4*185*1 = 0
18/06/2014	(14)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup              	0:2               	3*4*186*1 = 0
23/06/2014	(62)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup              	3:0               	3*4*138*0,86 = 1424,16
Year          	Average       	Weight        	Avg. weight
2011          	596,99        	20%           	119,4
2012          	823,08        	30%           	246,92
2013          	685,44        	50%           	342,72
2014          	457,44        	100%          	457,44
Total: 1166,48	Total: 1166,48	Total: 1166,48	Total: 1166,48
And now what is on the FIFA website:
Year       	Average    	Weight     	Avg. weight
2011       	1094       	20%        	218,8
2012       	485,13     	30%        	145,54
2013       	912,48     	50%        	456,24
2014       	308,42     	100%       	308,42
Total: 1229	Total: 1229	Total: 1229	Total: 1229
And points for the last 5 matches:
Date      	Opponent(FIFA Rankingon the match day)	Tournament/Friendly	Result	Match points
30/05/2014	(68)                                  	Friendly           	2:0   	3*1*132*1 = 396
07/06/2014	(68)                                  	Friendly           	2:0   	3*1*132*0.94 = 372,24
13/06/2014	(15)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup	1:5   	3*4*185*1 = 0
18/06/2014	(14)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup	0:2   	3*4*186*1 = 0
23/06/2014	(62)                                  	2014 FIFA World Cup	3:0   	3*4*138*0,93= 1540,08
It's said that values for AFC and CONCACAF are 0,86 and 0,88 on the page FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking Procedure, respectively. But form the calculation on the FIFA website it follows that values for AFC and CONCACAF are 0,93 and 0,94, respectively. 
I would be very grateful if somebody could tell where's my mistake :) Andrey Tsyganov (talk) 03:54, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, your mistake was trying to calculate these figures at all. The only figures that matter are FIFA's, and it's not up to us to question them. – PeeJay 07:44, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the average of the confederation weightings for the teams involved in the match. Thus for a UEFA vs. CONCACAF match it's (1 + 0.88)/2 = 0.94.--Edgar (talk) 07:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spain points 

message: Shouldn't there be a table with the time spent by teams at #1? Nergaal (talk) 20:32, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Time spent at #1

message: This source differentiates between Team of the Year and First on FIFA Ranking, but this article does not. Could this be clarified? – Editør (talk) 18:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team of the Year 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: As of July 14th, the Criticism section of the article contains a table with discrepancies between FIFA and Elo ranking as evidence that the FIFA ranking discriminates against certain confederations. While I agree in principle that the regional-strength factor is discriminatory, the table is inadequate for several reasons: (i) it compares FIFA data before the recent Copa America and Euro with Elo data from after those tournament (e.g., the ranks for USA and Russia were almost equivalent before); (ii) notable exceptions in the other direction are simply ignored (France 17th in FIFA, 4th in Elo, Algeria 32nd in FIFA, 47th in Elo); (iii) the table is unsystematic and reeks of original research. In my humble opinion, the table ought to be removed, it is enough to say that the regional-strength factor causes different teams to obtain different points for the same performances. -- 138.231.127.2 (talk) 00:16, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison of Elo and FIFA ranking 

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message: Like there is at World_Football_Elo_Ratings#List_of_number_one_teams. 188.27.39.222 (talk) 21:32, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: There should be a section/table on number 1 teams

message: Any idea when FIFA will get round to publishing a new version? It's 2 months since the last and nearly a month since the World Cup Final. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this official site regarding the ranking procedure, the next FIFA Men's Ranking is scheduled to be published on August 16. Felida97 (talk) 13:44, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next update? 

message: Why it is removed? I also think that it should not be there, but the sources say it is. Like bowser, where did you find the source without that point?--IgorMagic (talk) 17:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This document from FIFA (released in June) shows the match importance without the decimal points. I believe this PDF was the first released by FIFA regarding the new FIFA World Ranking, which suggests decreasing the match importance coefficients by 90% (as shown in the document you added as a source today) might be a recent alteration to the ranking algorithm and not a typo. GazThomas402 (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now this document linked by FIFA in their article today doesn’t include the decimal points. Looks look it was a typo after all. GazThomas402 (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The point between numbers in the importance coefficient 

message: Is there anywhere the detailed calculations of rankings? I tried to calculate points by myself and got the results that slightly differ from those from the FIFA list. I guess the numbers are rounded somewhere, but don't know yet where.--IgorMagic (talk) 05:01, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems I missed some friendlies before the World Cup, now it seems OK.--IgorMagic (talk) 06:31, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The detailed calculations 

message: The description of the new calculation method lists the following weights:
* W – the result of the game:
** 0 – loss after regular or extra time
** 0.5 – draw or loss in a penalty shootout
** 0.75 – win in a penalty shootout
** 1 – win after regular or extra time.
In loss (0+1=1), win (1+0=1), and draw (0.5+0.5=1) outcomes, the W coefficients for opposing teams sum to 1, which means that the opposing teams get/lose the same amount of points. For example, one team gets 7 points, the other loses 7 points. (That’s because We coefficients for opposing teams also sum to 1.)
However, in a penalty shootout situation, the winning team gets more points than is lost by the losing team. For example, one team gets 11 points, the other loses 9 points. This means that the total amount of points in the world increases, causing a gradual inflation of the rating points over time.
Shouldn’t the weight corresponding to a loss in a penalty shootout be 0.25, not 0.5?
46.242.13.150 (talk) 13:06, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Inflation is indeed the case. Even more so, as losses in knock-out matches of final competitions don't subtract points at all. -Koppapa (talk) 16:06, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, FIFA forgot to hire a mathematician/statistician to oversee the design of the new ranking system. That’s unfortunate. World Football Elo Ratings do not have this design flaw. I also think that the inclusion of goal difference coefficient in the formula (similar to WFER) would result in more exciting games, as every additional goal would count. Hopefully, FIFA will fix this in the future. 46.242.13.150 (talk) 21:23, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  A mistake in the game result weights? 

message: section to be updated according to 2019 schedule.<I>Sumit Singh</I> T 06:58, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: 2019 Schedule 

message: The title on the official website is Men's Rankings and even the logo says 'Men's World Rankings', the current title is not accurate and doesn't account for the women's rankings, so needs to be changed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.170.112.31 (talk) 21:39, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title should be 'FIFA Men's World Rankings' 

message: Current FIFA ranking includes 210 teams, compared to the previous version's 211 teams. This is probably because one team got removed due to being inactive for four years. I'm curious, which team is it that hasn't played a competitive match in four years? 89.110.8.225 (talk) 19:12, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  211th team 

message: There has been plenty of controversies surrounding Belgium's no.1 position in the FIFA ranking, especially considering how the Belgians have been incapable to take home at least a major international honour. Should have taken this. 27.79.209.4 (talk) 08:17, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you even talking about? The rankings are based on a point system. JoshuaInWiki (talk) 13:26, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belgium's no.1 controversy 

message: What means "Pbefore – the team's number of points before the game"? All the games before the last? From the first game in the 19th century?--Maxaxa  (talk) 09:47, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "points" does not refer to 3/1/0 points for win/draw/loss if that's what confuses you. It's the ranking points the team had right before the game. The ranking points is a decimal number which is recomputed after each match (but only published with longer periods). PrimeHunter (talk) 12:56, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the longer period that confuses me. How long is the period? Maxaxa  (talk) 18:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Date" at https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men?dateId=id13792 shows around 7 published rankings per year but it's irrelevant to the computation of ranking pints. They are recomputed after every match. It's exactly as it says: "Pbefore – the team's number of points before the game". P = P_\text{before}+I(W-W_e) is the formula for the points after the match. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:49, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  When the count begins? 

message: I want to update the top ten countries in FIFA ranking according to the latest data Dipayan2003 (talk) 17:00, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The current rankings at FIFA match what's in the article. When FIFA publishes new rankings, it will be updated. Mindmatrix 17:25, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, they updated it as of 22 December 2022. Might want to edit that quickly. JoshuaInWiki (talk) 13:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2022 

message: MAR/Morocco deserves to be the best mover of 2022 in the Fifa Rating. Benson Mwangi Kirathe (talk) 02:41, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best Mover 2022 

message: Request:
Please change the dr in the following formula and explanation:
* We – the expected result of the game:
::W_e = \frac{1}{10^{-\frac{dr}{600}} + 1}
:where dr is the difference between two teams' ratings before the game.
To \Delta as:
* We – the expected result of the game:
::W_e = \frac{1}{10^{-\frac{\Delta}{600}} + 1}
:where \Delta is the difference between two teams' ratings before the game.
Reason for request
The dr in the formula denotes a multiplication of d times r, in mathematical terms. Since in this case dr describes the difference between two numbers, \Delta should be the correct notation for the variable.
Citation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_letters_used_in_mathematics,_science,_and_engineering#%CE%94%CE%B4_(delta) FalconTube (talk) 15:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: current formula is pulled verbatim from fifa's official description of the calculation. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 21:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that sticking with the official description is a good idea. However, there seem to be formatting errors in FIFA's document, compare "Pbefore" in https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/f99da4f73212220/original/edbm045h0udbwkqew35a-pdf.pdf. To still comply with official documentation, I would rephrase my request to use d_r instead of \Delta. This to me seems like the intended notation. FalconTube (talk) 09:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2023 

message: To track the calculation using the official website FIFA.com - World Ranking. The calculation also match with this source for example from 10th December 2020 Brusselstimes.
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size:75%"	from      	to  	Days       	Country
31.12.1992	08.08.1993	220 	Germany    	
08.08.1993	23.09.1993	46  	Germany    	
23.09.1993	19.11.1993	57  	Brazil     	
19.11.1993	23.12.1993	34  	Italy      	
23.12.1993	19.04.1994	117 	Germany    	
19.04.1994	14.06.1994	56  	Brazil     	
14.06.1994	21.07.1994	37  	Germany    	
21.07.1994	16.05.2001	2491	Brazil     	
16.05.2001	03.07.2002	413 	France     	
03.07.2002	14.02.2007	1687	Brazil     	
14.02.2007	14.03.2007	28  	Italy      	
14.03.2007	18.04.2007	35  	Argentina  	
18.04.2007	18.07.2007	91  	Italy      	
18.07.2007	19.09.2007	63  	Brazil     	
19.09.2007	24.10.2007	35  	Italy      	
24.10.2007	02.07.2008	252 	Argentina  	
02.07.2008	01.07.2009	364 	Spain      	
01.07.2009	20.11.2009	142 	Brazil     	
20.11.2009	28.04.2010	159 	Spain      	
28.04.2010	14.07.2010	77  	Brazil     	
14.07.2010	24.08.2011	406 	Spain      	
24.08.2011	21.09.2011	28  	Netherlands	
21.09.2011	17.07.2014	1030	Spain      	
17.07.2014	09.07.2015	357 	Germany    	
09.07.2015	05.11.2015	119 	Argentina  	
05.11.2015	07.04.2016	154 	Belgium    	
07.04.2016	06.04.2017	364 	Argentina  	
06.04.2017	06.07.2017	91  	Brazil     	
06.07.2017	10.08.2017	35  	Germany    	
10.08.2017	14.09.2017	35  	Brazil     	
14.09.2017	16.08.2018	336 	Germany    	
16.08.2018	20.09.2018	35  	France     	
20.09.2018	25.10.2018	35  	FR & BE    	
25.10.2018	31.03.2022	1253	Belgium    	
31.03.2022	06.04.2023	371 	Brazil     	
06.04.2023	29.06.2023	84  	Argentina  	
Miria~01 (talk) 12:35, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Days at No.1 table 

message: How do you edit the FIFA rankings in each of the national teams? Or are they supposed to be automatic? JoshuaInWiki (talk) 13:26, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do you edit the FIFA rankings in each of the national teams?