Talk:Spread of Islam

message: This article has a few passages with clearly biased points of view and should be written much more neutrally. Examples of quotes include "The infamous Hakim (Al-Hakim bi-amr-Allah, the sixth Egyptian Caliph, 996-1021, who became the god of the Druze) determined to destroy the Holy Sepulchre (In 1010.)" Infamus? God of the Druze? What?
"Yet, in spite of all, Christianity failed, and Islam succeeded in gaining the Iranian race." I think there is a much better way of saying that. --213.174.190.59 17:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "I become more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days.  It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers and his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle"." 
I normally don't just delete anything - or even make more than very minor edits - but I admit to losing patience with respect to the aggressiveness with which some views are pushed. I don't edit war, so if this section is put back I won't even know about it. alacarte (talk) 12:34, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV needed

message: The title of this article, Islam Spread, sounds like some sort of butter or margarine product.  I don't understand why this page was moved from Spread of Islam to here.  I'm going to move it back because Spread of Islam is grammatically correct and this is not.--Lendorien 18:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call. Spread of Islam is the title I had in mind when I came here (without any searching).--Adoniscik (talk) 02:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor title

message: I don't think this page should be merged with Islamization. Spread of Islam is mostly (or should) deal with the historical aspect of the religion's spread, whereas "Islamization" is a more recent concept, mainly to do with the more recent political manuvers.  .--bandishhh 22 June 2007.
:As an editor interested in historical aspects of Islam (and author of The coming of Islam to Indonesia (1200 to 1600)), I agree with bandishhh's assessment. Merbabu 08:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge does not mean simply that this page dissapears. Maybe what is needed is for the recharecterization of the Islamization page then or having it redirect to this one. Right now it has a lot of information that I see is pretty much an overlap with what we have here and it can all go into one page. Either here or there or even somewhere else. Right Islamization seems to trace the historical spread of Islam better than this page.--Tigeroo 00:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge suggestion

message: *Spotty sourcing. Some sections are well sourced, others not at all.
*Different styles of sourcing. Some sections use different styles of sourcing than others. styles need to be unified.
*Data duplication.  Some sections seem to repeat information.
*NPOV check. May contain issues with a lack of a nuetral POV. --Lendorien (talk) 19:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup to-do

message: At least one map with details would help the reader to make a better picture about the topic.--  LYKANTROP  ✉  10:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've added one, but more are needed. The page is currently very text heavy and consequently dull. Fig (talk) 11:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, a map of the world at various times would be very helpful, or individual continents during relevant periods. -- Beland (talk) 20:42, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map would be good 

message: This article is completely biased.  It overlooks and glosses over forced conversions and is dishonest about how Islam treated Jews and Christians.  Please add a neutrality tag and/or fix the article. 214.13.69.132 (talk) 11:49, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality Tag Needed 

message: is removing it from the sections. please explain your position and build up consenss first--DBigXray 12:16, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phases 

message: Why is there no mention in this article about the spread of Islam in Eastern Europe (modern-day Russia and Ukraine)? Its spread begins with the conversion of the Volga Bulgars and large numbers of Khazars to Islam, followed by their conquest at the hands of Mongols, and later the establishment of the Golden Horde, who's majority Turkic (Cuman & Kipchak) were Islamized, along with the ruling Mongols and others, all of whom would become known as Tatars by the Russians. The Islamic period here would end when the Russians conquered the khanates that resulted out of the disintegration of the Golden Horde and forcefully assimilated a large part of the Muslim population.
I think this is very important for the history of Islam, yet it is rarely ever mentioned in many Wiki articles dealing with Islamic history, and when it is, the Tatars are usually misrepresented (whether innocently or purposefully) as "Mongol invaders converting to Islam and oppressing the Russian people", when in reality the Russians had not yet settled the areas of the Golden Horde and the majority of "Tatars" are descended not from Mongols, but from indigenous Finnic, Iranic, and Turkic peoples; the Mongols only formed a small elite ruling class.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernirm (talk • contribs) 18:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam in the Eastern Europe 

message: In this diff and IP removed the words "he believed" from "The spread of Islam began when, around 613 CE, the prophet Muhammad (570 – 632 CE) began to share the revelation which he believed God (Allah) had started to give to him three years previously."  Is this appropriate?  Does this make the article fall into or out of line with articles of a similar nature?  I don't spend enough time working on religious articles to know, but I thought I'd bring it up. Zell Faze (talk) 11:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP Removed "he believed" from summary. 

message: This article needs to have its sources checked, as [13] is incorrect: it says Hourani, but when examining page 198 in his book A History of the Arab Peoples the cited source does not support the statements using it on Wikipedia. However when examining page 198 in Ira Lapidus' book A History of Islamic Societies it supports the statements in the Wikipedia article. I would assume that it is simply incorrectly cited, and since I for some reason cannot change the "Notes", I hope someone else can correctly change it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.218.200.246 (talk) 07:51, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect sources 

message: Substituted at 06:45, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Can someone include information regarding the spread of Islam while Muhammad was alive? I was wondering if he started the military campaigns of conquest to expand Islam or if he spread Islam peacefully and only defended himself militarily when attacked. Thinker78 (talk) 00:48, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion during Muhammad's lifetime

message: The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
* 
Participate in the deletion discussion at the . —Community Tech bot (talk) 14:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: A discussion is taking place to address a potential problem with the redirect Islamic Crusades and it has been listed for discussion. Readers of this page are welcome to participate at  until a consensus is reached.  Veverve (talk) 11:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Islamic Crusades]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: A discussion is taking place to address a potential problem with the redirect Muslim Crusades and it has been listed for discussion. Readers of this page are welcome to participate at  until a consensus is reached.  Veverve (talk) 11:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Muslim Crusades]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: A discussion is taking place to address a potential problem with the redirect History of Islamic conquests and it has been listed for discussion. Readers of this page are welcome to participate at  until a consensus is reached.  Veverve (talk) 11:20, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:History of Islamic conquests]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: A discussion is taking place to address a potential problem with the redirect Arab expansion and it has been listed for discussion. Readers of this page are welcome to participate at  until a consensus is reached.  Veverve (talk) 11:29, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Arab expansion]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: A discussion is taking place to address a potential problem with the redirect Arab colonization and it has been listed for discussion. Readers of this page are welcome to participate at  until a consensus is reached.  Veverve (talk) 11:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Arab colonization]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: A discussion is taking place to address a potential problem with the redirect Muslim occupation and it has been listed for discussion. Readers of this page are welcome to participate at  until a consensus is reached.  Veverve (talk) 11:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Muslim occupation]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: A discussion is taking place to address a potential problem with the redirect Islamic occupation and it has been listed for discussion. Readers of this page are welcome to participate at  until a consensus is reached.  Veverve (talk) 11:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Islamic occupation]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]