Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand Railways

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message: Is this project a descendant or WikiProject Trains? It makes sense to work with them. It should be noted somewhere, as all the NZR articles also fall under WikiProject Trains. --Lee Begg 23:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Contact Slambo at WP:TWP, to add WikiProject NZR  as a WikiProject Trains Descendant Wikiprojects. that way when you tag talk pages with the TWP banner (you can add "NZ=yes" or something). Pickle 18:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Consider me contacted (this page is currently on my watch list).    You don't need my permission to add this as a descendant project to TWP if you want; just add it to the TWP project page as linked above.  Work up an icon and I'll add it to , and I can add NZR-specific importance flags as well like we've already got for others (like NYPT or WPLT; WPTIS is in the process of adding the categories now too). Slambo (Speak) 19:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  A little New Zealand flag (see "Image:Flag of New Zealand.svg") (like the scottish sub project) suit me best, but "Image:JA1271 Opapa 16Feb2003 JChristianson.jpg" is on the current banner (dosen't scream New Zealand to me at 50px.... Slambo could you do "NZ-importance=" bit as well. Pickle 01:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the British blue ensign doesn't scream NZ at me either...  --Lholden 02:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Had I been aware of the ability to add "NZ-importance=" to  at the time I made , I probably would have simply requested it added rather than making a whole new template.  That said, I feel there are some advantages to an individualised template now, so I wouldn't advocate its removal.  And I feel the picture on the banner with the traditional red carriages and a JA class locomotive absolutely screams New Zealand; it's one of the first things I think of when I think NZR.  If we need a small logo for the TWP template, I don't think the current New Zealand flag is appropriate (I don't identify with it and I suspect Lewis doesn't either), but I would support the use of a silver fern. - Axver 03:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I said the NZ flag as to those of us not in NZ it gives a clue, obviously there are "issues" about it (don't go there we've had so much fun with the UK's own internal constitutional arrangements). I think the silver fern is OK as most of us up here get that (i hope they do anyway!). As for the , the ability to have multiple "Descendants" within is really useful, for example East Croydon station, which is in a few! More generally IMHO the  allows the tagging user to explicit the functionality of the template and add many bits of info, such as map or image needed, the various task forces, unref, etc - which i feel is useful for the casual editor seeking the help as opposed to the "basic" project banner. Pickle 02:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough - Would it be hard to do? Or do we simply put a request in that it be added? --Lholden 22:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not overwhelmingly difficult.  I'm already working on a similar update to the template for UK rails, and adding the params for NZR at the same time would help to minimize the server load once the changes go live. Slambo (Speak) 01:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I think its nice to have that useibility of "template/category/image/disambig/redirect" et al. Pickle 15:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but what you've done looks good. --Lholden 23:05, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: THanks for your work (been away for a few days ;) ), i'll get on working through them. Pickle 14:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descendant of [[WP:TWP|WikiProject Trains]]? 

message: I'm a little wary of this users recent edits, one might suspect this is a member of the organisation editing their own articles. Could one of you Kiwis have a look as i fear either a polical motive or just a plain conflict of intrest. Pickle 21:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:ARTA07|ARTA07]] 

message: Several articles I wrote use a naming convention that is inconsistent with the Manual of style.  I propose to move (rename) these articles to be consistent with this standard.  This would affect the following articles:
* Appleby Railway Station (New Zealand) → Appleby Railway Station, New Zealand
* Hope Railway Station (New Zealand) → Hope Railway Station, New Zealand
* Richmond Railway Station (New Zealand) → Richmond Railway Station, New Zealand
* Woodside Railway Station (New Zealand) → Woodside Railway Station, New Zealand
If there are no objections, I'll go ahead and make the change.  -- Matthew25187 (talk) 10:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  -- Matthew25187 (talk) 10:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article naming 

message: I would just like to draw the attention of the WP:NZR membership to the edits of 210.54.6.37.  This particular anonymous editor has been editing NZR articles from that IP for a decent period of time, and they are beginning to concern me.  Not all of this user's edits are cause for concern - they often clarify phrasing and occasionally add information.  However, they sometimes simplify or rephrase articles in a manner that reduces clarity and, in some cases, removes information altogether.  This editor appears to have an attitude that shorter phrasing is always preferable; I would thoroughly disagree with this view and in some cases have restored phrasing to lengthier forms that I believe flow better and convey information to the reader with greater depth and clarity.  I am primarily concerned with those edits that, for the sake of shorter phrasing, cut information - one example I am yet to find the time to fix is Ngapara and Tokarahi Branches (a full revert does not seem wise as some changes do improve phrasing).
I would discuss this with the user in question, but I note other editors have communicated on User talk:210.54.6.37 and received no response.  Accordingly, I figured the best route would be to make you lot aware so that any detrimental edits are quickly copyedited or reverted. - Axver (talk) 10:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't the first time we've had this problem with this particular anon editor. I remember when the passenger train articles were being written, there was something of a low-level edit war over the way the articles were written - of course we were keeping to the WP guidelines, which I think is what you're getting at Axver. --Lholden (talk) 09:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I thought that issue was related to a different anon editor?  If I'm thinking of the same incident as you, an editor was adding huge masses of detailed but poorly written and incorrectly formatted text and paid little attention to any communication attempts.  Judging by the writing style, I'd be fairly confident that this is a different individual entirely.  Speaking of those passenger train articles, though, some are still in need of clean-up.  And I really need to get around to writing articles for a couple more services that I know existed. - Axver (talk) 14:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right - just checked the IP addresses, they are different. Either way there's been no response. --Lholden (talk) 19:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problematic edits 

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thread_title:  {{tl|NZR member}} at TFD 

message: Hi folks,
I just thought I would make everybody involved in the project aware of a recent decision and request some assistance.  To bring the Glossary of New Zealand railway terminology (formerly the List of NZ railfan jargon) into line with the UK and US glossaries, references to reliable sources will be required for every entry in the glossary.  All entries that are unreferenced by the end of June will be moved to a holding page.  When references are found for these entries, a holding page will make it easier to simply copy and paste them back into the article, rather than hunting through the page history or rewriting the entry.
I am going to scour all of my own sources for references, but I will require help.  A lot of my sources were published in the 1990s.  Accordingly, I lack references for much of the 2000s jargon, e.g. "corn cob" for the yellow and aquamarine Toll Rail livery.  I'm sure references to this can be found in one of the New Zealand railway magazines on the market, but I haven't yet found them in an Australian library that is easily accessible for me.  If any of you do have access to recent sources (if you live in New Zealand, chances are your library might have them, especially bigger urban libraries), I would much appreciate it if you could lend a hand and improve the glossary.  New terminology entries are also of course very welcome! - Axver (talk) 12:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Glossary of New Zealand railway terminology]] references 

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message: I've used CatScan to generate a list of railway stations in New Zealand missing geographic coordinates 
As far as I can see, there's only one station left to geocode: Beach Railway Station, New Zealand. Would anyone be interested in adding coordinates for this station?  -- The Anome (talk) 01:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. – Matthew25187 (talk) 09:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Zealand railway stations without geographical coordinates 

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message: Adapted from WT:SHIPS, copied from WT:TWP
New Zealand's Alexander Turnbull Library has placed some historic NZ photos on Flickr The Commons with no known copyright restrictions.  These include some of New Zealand railways.  Very easy to upload to commons using the  Flickr tools. Mjroots (talk) 11:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Images should be tagged  and added to commons:Category:Images from the New Zealand National Library. Gwinva (talk) 00:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historic photos available 

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replies: text: The New Zealand Railways (NZR) assessment categories are inconsistent, the quality ones use "New Zealand Railways" and the importance ones use "NZR". One set will need renaming to make them consistent, so I've chosen the importance ones to be renamed. -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: The issue of naming guidelines for station articles within the scope of WikiProject NZR has recently been highlighted by user Rich Farmbrough who has moved the article Ngaio Railway Station to Ngaio railway station.  This seems to have been done, though not explicitly stated, for compliance with WP:CAPS.  The name of this article is now, however, inconsistent with the guidelines in this project's manual of style.  I have pointed this out on the talk page of the user concerned but with little success.  I'd appreciate your thoughts on what, if anything, needs to be done about the naming convention applied to New Zealand railway station articles.  Do we:
* Undo any such changes (away from the current convention of title case) and prevail upon users making such changes to desist from doing so?
* Revise the Manual of Style for this project to make it compliant with WP:CAPS, or the naming conventions used by WikiProject Stations, or whatever other conventions may apply?
* Ignore any such changes?
Or some other course of action?
– Matthew25187 (talk) 12:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that the exception in WP:CAPS applies, as you capitalise all the words in a proper noun; eg "Grand Central Station" not "Grand central station" ! Get an admin. to revert the move? Hugo999 (talk) 01:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. — Matthew25187 (talk) 10:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming guidelines for station articles 

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message: I have added a redirect from Kapiti Line Line to Kapiti Line for the Kenepuru Railway Station and Paekakariki Railway Station articles, as they were redlinking to Kapiti Line Line. Just changing Kapiti Line to Kapiti in the station infobox did not seem to work, so perhaps someone can tweak them Hugo999 (talk) 12:25, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Problems at two stations

message: The names of the Auckland station articles have been changed from XXXX Train Station to XXXX Railway Station.  The note accompanying these changes is "consistent naming" but they are in conflict with the MOS that clearly states the Auckland station articles are an exception to the general guideline that station article names should take the form XXXX Railway Station.
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Thoughts?  — Matthew25187 (talk) 10:46, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auckland station articles 

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message: Please see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Australasian stations). Based on existing station naming. Useddenim (talk) 04:03, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions (Australasian stations) 

message: I consider the modification of a number of locomotive articles ( Particularly that on the 1939 J class) largely written by me R. Miles on the basis of growing up in Sth Canterbury in the mid 1950s and observing the final days of JA express operations on the SIMT and then doing a Masters thesis in Political Science on the decision to phase out the Railcars in 1967-77. Degree and Thesis 1980-1. Awarded 1982.I also have a Canterbury B.Com awarded in 2006 in ACCY by is mainly a degree in Economics at Victoria and a second Canterbury Honours degree taken in 200 and confirmed in 2011. I wrote extensively as a paid commentator on rail and shipping issues for NBR, NZ Herald, Timaru Herald, Southland Times, Press and once or twice Metro in 1983-1998 and also as a Leader writer for the Timaru Herald in 1984-6. i wrote something like 14 articles mainly for NBR, Press and NZ Herald on rail privatisation in 1991-93 as the only journalist extensively working on it. on the basis that the Bolger/Richardson/ Treasury government simply wanted the railways closed on the basis of the closure of the much of the Canadian Rail systems - PE Island, Newfoundladn and most of the Canadian Passenger services,a ccumulated loss and debt and the belief of the Rail Management that the railways survival depended on temporary privatisation and convincing naive operators and buyers that profitable operation was possible.My articles therefore do not expolore the real issues, costs or economics, but simply advance a cause.
Much of the information in the modified J article is wrong. About 1962 ten J class were transfered to the West Coast to replace A class in 1962 and the following year it was decided not to give an A overhaul to one of 16 NI JA and the JA boiler was refitted to J 2011 or 2012. In 1967 the final 3 J overhauls were all given new boilers J1234, 1236, the use of two NI JA boilera were approved ( extensive study of NZR archives in NZ National Archives about 2015, 2016 and the other with a spare JA boiler supplied by North British in 1953-54.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.48.175.44 (talk) 01:55, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Robert, thanks for starting a discussion on this here. I was on a Wikibreak until recently have started editing the NZR locomotive articles and others again. No-one is disputing your credentials or your checking of facts at the National Archives (although some of what you write is skirting WP:OR a bit). The issue is Wikipedia's policies. For example with the J class article there were a lot of claims that weren't verified, which is a requirement (see WP:V). If there are claims in the Wikipedia article that aren't accurate, please remove them. --LJ Holden 02:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious reconstruction of NZR Development and Locomotive class history since 2017 and 2018 

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