Talk:Caerleon

message: Owain, why are you deleting things without giving a reason? I fail to understand your overwhelming desire to add a reference to Monmouthshire. As Caerleon has more recently been included in Gwent it is more logical to note this than an even older county. My solution: skip the information about past counties. There are more useful things that could be said in an encyclopaedia entry.
::What's the point in a reference to a defunct administrative area? Traditional counties continue to exist as geographical references, which are quite handy when you're explaining where a place is. See Traditional counties of Wales Owain 13:05, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Gwent is also a traditional county, and is just as much a geographical reference as Monmouthsire. It also has the advantage of not being confused with a current area with the same name. By the way, referencing something you yourself wrote hardly backs up your argument. For a better reference try googling for Caerleon + Gwent and Caerleon + Monmouthshire - you get slightly more hits for the former, which I think is a good indication of where people think it is. Why not leave both out? It's not as if it is unclear where its position is. Rls 00:50, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid Gwent is NOT a traditional county. That phrase has a specific meaning - i.e. the county names and boundaries that exist separately of local government administrative counties. I didn't write the page on traditional counties myself, I've just contributed to it! How is Gwent a geographical reference? The defunct local government area was totally different to the original Early British Kingdom of the same name. As for the Google search, you must know that they are the least scientific way to prove anything. Where people think they are is largely influenced by the Royal Mail's bizarre Postal counties of the United Kingdom, which they've thankfully got rid of. By all means leave it out, but realise the difference between traditional counties and former administrative areas. Owain 11:51, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: County

message: I contend that the name of this place "CAER-LEON", means nothing more or less than "The Lion Fortress!"  If you can find a "reliable" source that can prove that "LEON" in this particular place is referrenced to the word "LEGIO" or Legion, then please cite it?  Common sense sometimes is the best policy and I will bet you that you can find more etymological sources supporting "LION" than "LEGIO?"  Perhaps the site only considers these sources?  http://search.aol.com/aol/search?&query=legio+or+leon%2C+meaning&invocationType=tb50-ie-aolrt-tbsbox-en-us  Thanks for listening!  Perhaps LYON, France is another example as well could be the Kingdom of LEON in Spain?  But do any of you find it strange that, as far as I know, no Roman Legion was called "LEO", but it seems a few of them used "LEO" the LION in its "STANDARD"96.19.147.40 (talk) 22:47, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a reliable source for the origin of the name.  Your theory is novel but irrelevant; we publish what reliable sources say, not fringe opinions or contentions.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:09, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

text: It seems that the name of León also derives from the Latin legio.  You are surely aware that the Roman occupation of Wales took place about 1000 years before the Middle Ages?  I'm not quite sure what you're trying to show here, or why, but the point is that what leading academics like Professor Owen write is relevant to constructing an encyclopedia, and your opinions and thoughts are not.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

text: So, hang on Mr Hughes, what you seem to be now suggesting is this:  Romans fought the "King of Leon" in the region called Leon in Northern Spain. That some of those same soldiers inter-bred with Spanish people there and then came to Wales. That those soldiers then "left genetic material" in Caerleon (presumably again by inter-breeding). This made Welsh people in general look a bit like Spanish people (supported by Tacitus' claim that the shores of Spain are "opposite" those of Wales). And that's why the Leon in Caerleon refers to Leon in Spain (or maybe a lion, because some Roman legions had lions on their standards.) Yes? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The opening paragraph should be updated. 

message: Not sure why Lodge Hill Iron Age hillfort is included under "Roman fortress". The two were quite separate. For a correct chronology, maybe there should be a separate sub-section on pre-history? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hillfort 

message: Here's a paper by D. B. Hughes, M.A. on "The Caerleon Industrial School". Hughes traces the history of the education of pauper children in Monmouthshire between 1834 and 1929. In this part, Chapter III, he deals with the provision made by the Newport Union for a separate school in Caerleon, away from the Stow Hill workhouse: . There's a bit more about it here with a location map. There's nothing about this in the article currently. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:27, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Caerleon Industrial School