Talk:Loudspeaker

message: I've edited the opening paragraph of the section on Horn loudspeakers so as to give a better background of their use.  (More correctly, a brief history of the use of horns to direct and amplify sound, not just their use with drivers.)
I don't think this edit would count as "original research" as it's a bit of a link-and-cut-and-paste from other Wikipedia articles, but others might disagree.  Also, I might not have conformed with proper Wikipedia style and I'd be happier if someone more familiar with Wikipedia's style standards would double-check what I've done.  Thanks.
W.F.Galway (talk) 00:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks okay to me. Binksternet (talk) 00:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could someone please check my rewrite of the section on [[Loudspeaker#Horn_loudspeakers|Horn loudspeakers?]] 

message: Based on my reading of a commercial website that compares various headphones, my impression is that headphones with a higher impedance will require a higher voltage to drive them.  On the other hand, in Wikipedia's treatment of the history of headphones there is a mention that some headphones “... used with early wireless radio had to be more sensitive and were made with more turns of finer wire; impedance of 1,000 to 2,000 ohms was common”, this is as opposed to the statement that “headphones used in telegraph and telephone work had an impedance of 75 ohms”.
Presumably what is true of headphones is also true of loudspeakers.  Assuming that there's any validity to my impression that impedance and sensitivity are related then I'd appreciate some discussion of that.  (Perhaps a discussion would be appropriate if I'm mistaken in my impression, if it's a common impression.)
I suppose that the same discussion would be appropriate in the Wikipedia articles for Headphones and Electrical impedance.
W.F.Galway (talk) 14:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for discussion of the relationship between "impedance" and "sensitivity" 

message: Can the vuvuzela be mentioned as an even more efficient horn ? Appearantly, a practiced blower can attain 130 dB(A) ! Thus higher than a regular horn, meaning that the vuvuzela would be more efficient than traditional horns. Above that, as they're mass-produced for use in soccer stadiums (despite that it causes permanent hearing damage), and they're cheap (2€, ie via vuvuzelahoorn.nl, ...)http://www.natutech.nl/00/nt/nl/154_161/artikel/26695/Vuvuzela-stethoscoop.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.227.212 (talk) 12:27, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Vuvuzela is not a loudspeaker. Binksternet (talk) 14:43, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

text: You could use a vuvuzela to produce one frequency and several harmonics of it with rather high efficiency. A vuvuzela horn is not a loudspeaker. It is a sound producing instrument. Uikku (talk) 14:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Horn loudspeakers

message: The article freely uses the terms "dynamic loudspeaker", "dynamic driver", and "electrodynamic driver", without defining or otherwise explaining them. It should not be assumed that the reader is already knowledgeable about loudspeaker design and its terminology; these terms should be explained.  --Lambiam 08:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How to define a dynamic loudspeaker? First, there should be somehow arranged a strong, constant and homogeneous magnetic flux in a defined air gap. Second, there should be a moving electrical conductor (wire or other) inside that air gap. Third, there should be a sound radiating diaphragm mechanically connected to the conductor. Usually that conductor is called as voice coil, the air gap is round and a permanent magnet makes the flux. The diaphragm is usually a cone or a dome. 91.156.121.5 (talk) 14:17, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "dynamic loudspeaker" usually refers to a moving coil loudspeaker. As all loudspeakers are dynamic, it is not a very descriptive term. It would, in my opinion, be better to use the term "moving coil loudspeaker"). --Sigmundg (talk) 12:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

text: years later...I thought that "dynamic" initially referred to speakers with an electromagnet winding for the field, analogous to the way a "dynamo" generator has a wound field and not an electromagnet(as described on page 43 of the October 1928 issue of "Popular Science", hurray for Google Books (I had no idea John Carr had been around *that* long)).  However, current usage seems to be that even permanent-magnet speakers are called "dynamic"; if we were being consistent with the machines nomenclature, these might have been called "magneto speakers". But usage is what it is and we record what the world calls them, not what logic might dictate. --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect the term is a Retronym borrowed from Dynamic microphone when speaker technology moved beyond moving coil. --Kvng (talk) 15:06, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the term "dynamic" was brought into the article to differentiate between the usual moving coil drivers and the unusual other types such as electrostatic and plasma. Binksternet (talk) 16:35, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it refers to electrodynamics. Nikolas Ojala (talk) 23:37, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please explain "dynamic" 

message: It appears this article is written in WP:SUMMARY style. To further this, it would seem to make sense to move additional details to Speaker driver. Any comments? --Kvng (talk) 14:30, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, the suitable details, regarding drivers. Binksternet (talk) 21:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Speaker driver]] 

message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5biZvpUyv8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mVRKvU9Pf0  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.86.212.21 (talk) 22:24, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fils Sound Film Speakers and Emo Labs Invisible Speakers 

message: There seems to be minimal coverage of the "foam rot" problem with speaker surrounds, though the problem has been widespread and is still continuing.  There is a light allusion in passing, but nothing more.  Could somebody who knows more about this problem share their Wikiwisdom on the subject?  --Reify-tech (talk) 13:26, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Little has been written about it in high-quality sources. However, there are some magazine articles here and there... The earliest one I see in a quick search is a 1982 article in High Fidelity that talks about "foam for the compliant surrounds around the edges of their [Who?] woofer cones. With long-term exposure to air and pollution, that foam underwent a progressive chemical change, losing its springiness and in some cases virtually rotting away." I can't see the rest of that article in Google Books so I don't feel that I could use it in the proper context. I hope I can find an AES paper or something equally good. Binksternet (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Foam rot

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#Question_about_subwoofers
:Iskánder Vigoa Pérez (talk) 15:23, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: help with relation in the size of drive/magnet

message: A translation is required for this acronym.77Mike77 (talk) 00:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sound power level = SPL. Basically, how loud it gets. Binksternet (talk) 00:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

text: You're right! Brain fart on my part. Binksternet (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPL? 

message: Your section on driver design has a small error.   The part about tinsel wire.   Tinsel wire is only used to connect the coil to the terminal lugs.  the coil itself is made from fine solid copper wire not tinsel wire.    Sorry i cannot provide a source.  All i know is what i have seen from disassembling loud speakers.  Also tinsel wire is not necessary for the coil it is necessary to provide motion between the cone and frame.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claustro123 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right. I removed the Tinsel wire link and added a link to Voice coil. We'll shift the burden of providing refs to Voice coil editors. -—Kvng 15:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  driver design error 

message: Wikipedia Critique: Loudspeakers
This is a fairly extensive article, but scientific jargon makes it a little difficult to read. The “Introduction” and “Terminology” paragraphs are particularly useful, but the “History” section doesn’t tell a story of how loudspeakers came to be as much as it plainly lists a series of events that eventually result in modern loudspeakers. The section does give readers a sense of the community of improvement that led to modern loudspeakers, and it provides some details about variations and improvements. 
The material becomes easier to understand after getting through the “History” section, and this is due to 1) clearer writing that relies less on jargon, and 2) illustrations. There are illustrations for speakers’ external housings, the speakers themselves and their design layouts. The article covers all the main topics, such as how loudspeakers work and how they are built. It also includes information on what determines sound quality and a section on listening environment, which discussed speaker placement and mathematical expressions explaining the physics of sound movement. 
This article’s 53 sources are diverse, to say the least. About half of the referenced sources are books or legitimate articles. It also includes a number of personal websites, blogs, and even a cataloged email/discussion board response from 1998. The first source listed is a personal website managed by someone who “collect(s), research(es), and write(s) about old telephones as a hobby.” While you generally wouldn’t think of these as “good sources,” many of the personal websites/blogs linked to in this article appear trustworthy, not to say there aren’t a few that do indeed look sketchy. 
The page also appears to be maintained attentively, with revisions every few days. There are a couple sentences at the end of the “History” section that require citation, but for the most part this article appears free from frivolous contributions. 
HIST406-13awatkin1 (talk) 03:33, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be good  to put this into a list form, or a form with bullets, in chronological order. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:33, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  HIST 406 

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message: "Loudspeaker" is a somewhat dated term, and is typically reserved for larger systems such as those used in schools, auditoriums and outdoor venues.  Speaker also turns up more results on Google.   Ticklewickleukulele (talk) 05:03, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The OP was suggesting a parenthetical word "electronics" tacked on the end. I was saying that the slightly longer word loudspeaker is a better choice because it is more concise than adding a parenthetical disambiguation of any sort. Loudspeaker is shorter than "Speaker (electronics)". I don't see any need to move the article. It's not broken. Binksternet (talk) 22:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I was ignoring the suggestion of a move to "speaker" because it seems absurd to me. That word also means a person who is speaking. I doubt anyone would consider the electrodynamic noise maker to be a more prominent usage than "person who is speaking" which predates it by millennia. Binksternet (talk) 22:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Speaker or Speaker (electronics) 

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message: I came here to find info on the latest tiny speaker. I have a pair for my computer. They are about two inches square. I bought them to replace speakers I got about six or seven years ago that were about six or seven inches tall. I want to know how the manufacturer can make such a tiny box with a pretty good sound. What has changed in recent years to make this possible? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:31, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiny speakers 

message: A late section describes aliasing in a certain type of speaker. A better term is heterodyning, and requires some sort of nonlinearity to be involved. Only frequencies higher than the fundamental are produced. Aliasing (Nyquist-Shannon Theorem) relates to digital sampling of analogue signals, or even a digital signal of much higher sample rate. The signal must be low-pass filtered to a max of 1/2 the new sample rate for evenly spaced samples. Evenly spaced samples may be regarded as multiplying square or tri-square waves with a sinusoidal time signal. The result is a convolution of the two waves in frequency space. Thus frequencies lower than the fundamental will occur with equal power as the artificial high frequencies.61.68.161.48 (talk) 00:16, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aliasing? 

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message: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Passive speaker#Primary topic.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:11, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[Talk:Passive speaker#Primary topic]]

message: Mention military uses, like
*https://news.artnet.com/art-world/taiwan-kinmen-island-sonic-territories-1332893
(not Long Range Acoustic Device). Jidanni (talk) 16:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military uses 

message: Field coil loudspeaker is very short and mostly recaps the discussion at this page.  It could be merged to put these devices in context. --Wtshymanski (talk) 17:17, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggest merge September 2019 

message: The current state of the article comes across as a clumsy combination of two different types of article. On one hand, there's the broad overview of the various aspects of loudspeakers in general (technology types, crossovers, general history, etc). On the other hand, there's a lot of detail on dynamic speakers.
Perhaps a better treatment of the subject would be to convert this page into a technology-neutral overview article and move the content that's specifically about dynamic loudspeakers off into a new article (I would suggest the more formal "Electrodynamic Loudspeaker" as the title for the spin-off article), leaving just a single-paragraph overview on this one like the other technologies have.
Roxor128 (talk) 03:15, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spin off content on dynamic loudspeakers to new article and convert to overview 

message: The scope of the article is "speaker (audio equipment)", not "loudspeaker", which is semantically a subset thereof; thus, the article title should be changed. The article is about *all* speakers, from big loud ones down to small quiet ones such as those used in headphones. I will move this article to the accurate title unless anyone can present a credible argument for not doing so. Quercus solaris (talk) 17:05, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: Done. Lede includes wikilinks to headphones (for small, quiet speakers) and to loudness (for loudspeakers). Quercus solaris (talk) 22:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: I've moved the page back to Loudspeaker. While I appreciate Quercus solaris' bold change to the page title in an attempt to improve the article, there is no clear consensus for this change, and there are several editors who oppose the change. Therefore, I believe it is best to leave the page at its original title until a clear consensus emerges to move the page to a new title. I'm also quite confident that there are no reliable sources that will back up the assertion that a loudspeaker is a subset of speakers that are audible at a distance. Since this discussion attracted relatively few participants, I think we should leave this discussion open to see if any other interested editors express their opinion here.  —⁠ScottyWong⁠—  19:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of article is "speaker (audio equipment)", not "loudspeaker", which is a subset thereof; thus, the article title should be changed