Talk:Anton Bernolák

message: As the official language of the Kingdom of Hungary was Latin until 1867 , using Hungarian names for cities etc. before this date is anachronistic. Since the Latin name that was used at the time can scarcely be found, we should list all the places with their modern names. --Bizovne (talk) 17:34, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This information is heavily incorrect and outdated, I am not surprised this user was banned because of sockpuppetry. On many wiki pages also other anti-Hungarians tried with this argumentation. Let's make it clear once and for all,as it is correspondent with the current Wikipedia consensus, the contemporary names can be used at first place. After, the modern name also can be mentioned. It is also a practice, if the current page is about a person that is i.e. ethnically different as the contemporary state major ethnic, only in the initial section and infobox we use the method mentioned above, the rest of the article we use the modern names, although the contemporary names are still not prohibited. There may be of course many particular situation we are able to combine these - by not harming any wikipedia rule or consenus - for the better quality of the article. Of course, regarding this is the English Wikipedia, if in the English context regardless of the ruling state/ruler/administration/official language we can use that name that is the most relevant by reference in the English context and language (the best example of this the usage of Pressburg in the first place). Moreover, not only the current official administration/language decides about the usage of contemporary names, since i.e. in the medieval ages most of Europe was used Latin/Slavic administratively/officially, but it does not mean we cannot use a German name in the Holy Roman Empire where Germans lived, or we cannot use a Romanian name, because of the Slavic administration, although the correspondent name was used by everybody, regarding official languages in many countries weren't introduced. Also in many situations, when the Crown is held by hereditary of a foreign ruler, but the country/state has his own constitution, diet, citizenship and is a separate state in the Empire/Monarchy ruled by the common King, it also does not mean only the King's linguistic or ethnic or allegiance status would decide the usage of names (i.e. Kingdom of Hungary's status with a Habsburg ruler, as also having an Anjou ruler would not mean Hungarian names cannot be used). Finally, Hungarian names before 1867 are of course not anachronistic, as some poor nationalists state, since the proper combinations of upper mentioned has to be applied, to say nothing of the Latin names were the transcriptions of the original Hungarian/Hungarian used names. Every place, country, state in any historical time can be judged fairly about the usage of the names, just professionalism and good sense is needed. Just consider, the time Michael The Brave ruled Principality of Transylvania, what lanuague is to be used? German? (as being a Habsburg vassal), Romanian (Michael The Brave's ethnicity), Latin? (a common used lanugage of administration), Hungarian? (the Transylvanian Diet's official lanugauge and administration was Hungarian, also Principality of Transylvania was the hereditary land of the Hungarian Crown held that by the Habsburgs). So, i.e. the solution of this equation regarding the policy, in this example: Hungarian can be used at the first place, regarding the hereditary status of Transylvania and the Diet's official language. German can be used in the first place, if in English context it is contemporarily more relevant. Romanian names can be always indicated on the second place, if the territory is now in modern-day Romania, but if there's any article to put a person with Romanian ethnicity the contemporary time and place, except the initial and the infobox Romanian names can be used at first, if there is no other relevan reason against. Just see the Ludovit Stur article, the Hungarian names were also indicated in the initial and the infobox, however, not in the first place - although it could be - but no one makes a war because of this since Stur is a Slovak person, the article is in a Slovak context, so we bear if the Hungarian names are in the second place.(KIENGIR (talk) 13:15, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungarian names for places before 1867