Talk:Blini

message: Agree, was thoroughly confused for a while, aren't they almost exclusively known as blinis in English? I think this might be one of those cases, as with so many words that are different in American/British English where whatever word the article was created with, stays, but then there are so many inconsistencies further on in this text where blini is used - those would have to be changed to blintz.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.48.246 (talk) 13:55, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "Blintz"? Article title should be changed... 

message: My grandad is Lithuanian and sometimes when I went stayed round for dinner he'd cook me what he referred to as "steak and Blini".  The blini he cooked were thin fritters of grated potato and onion with spices added... having read this article and the Lithuanian one I know Lithuanians have their own version of Blini- could anyone else confirm if they've eaten something similar?  If not- does anyone know what I've been eating all this time?! Weenerbunny 14:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What you describe sounds very much like Rösti to me --Sascha. 19:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *Sounds like you're describing Latkas --Dagibit 14:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: In Lithuania sometimes they're called Užuolaidos, and no it's not potato pancake.Lokyz 14:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  even more Blini confusion 

message: I'm Scottish and don't understand why on earth you'd put anything but smoked salmon and a bit of cream cheese on them :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.48.246 (talk) 13:57, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toppings 

message: While the culinary part deserves much more attention, the gross problem must be addressed by expert blinophiles ASAP: The article does not draw clear distinction between flat and folded blini. `'mikka 20:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flat vs folded 

message: "By Russian tradition the first blin is always destroyed while frying."
To me, this seems very wrong - it's not tradition to destroy it, but rather there is a SAYING which says "The first blin is always scrunched up (ie. stuffed up)" which I always interpreted as a metaphor for not being able to do things right the first time, and needing practice. Can someone confirm this? 124.170.114.88 (talk) 00:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, it's a saying -- the first pancake is always a flop (первый блин комом). There is no custom or rite to destroy the first pancakes, not to my knowledge at least. Maybe once there was one, at pagan times, like to sacrifice the first pancake or dish to some spirit of the forest? But there is definitely non of it now. --Sascha. (talk) 11:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

text: This proverb means "you must spoil before you spin" in English. Also we have opinion that phrase means "First pancake to bears", because kom means bear in Old Church Slavonic.  At June 23th slavic neopaganists cook pancakes and first pancake they took to forest and left it for bear (it's their tradition). Sorry for my English, because I'm Russian.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Кыс (talk • contribs) 21:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: (edited, because it was unclear) Dubious. Need sources for the old church word "bear". Also for what exactly Slavic neopaganists are, and why the hell would they use a Church Slavonic language instead on their own Slavic language! BTW, here's the page from the Church Slavonic dictionary, there's no "kom" in there. http://www.slavdict.ru/_0260.htm Maybe it's too small, anyway, need references. I'm also Russian.176.195.247.112 (talk) 22:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

text: "First blin is always lumpy" says Google Translate, though Профессор кислых щей (talk) 10:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  First blin is always destroyed 

message: As discussed earlyer about the difference in blini and blini i'd like to point out that i came to this page to find out the difference between the flat and the thick blinis. Because as i live in Finland i have been raised believing a blini is the thick version, and here it is usually served with sour cream, salmon caviar, pickled cucumber and beetroots, chopped onions and molten butter. They are also made with buckwheat.
We are also generally told that it is "a russian dish".
But when I visited russia for the first time what i got as a blini was the flat version, and the stuffings were quite different as well. I've had the same kind of experiences in some ex-soviet countries as well.
Now i guess this has something to do with that the "russian cuisine" we have in finland is from the time of the Czars... but does this type of blini still exist somewhere else and what name is it served under?
 
And for the the record i've recieved similar blinis in France as the ones comonly served in finland but served to Taramosalata.
Gillis (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so that is apparently the olad'i! (didn't notice to read the caption to the picture on the right... goodgood mystery solved. Gillis (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  thick blini and flat blini 

message: User:Pirmasis removed names used by Germans, Jewish from the lead and then moved to Blynai, Lithuanian name. But my quick goodle research does not convince me that blynai is the most widely used English name. The move was also undiscussed before, so I moved the title back to blintz. Any idea on this? --Caspian blue (talk) 19:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All my WP:AGF assumed, see the reverts issued on the mentioned user. I do not think he was right moving the article.--Lokyz (talk) 22:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Blintz or Blynai

message: "It is somewhat similar to a crêpe with main difference being the fact that yeast is always used in blini, but not used in crêpes."
Is there a refrence for this? I can't find any recipies with yeast in them. My very limited experince with Blintzes (once in a Jewish restraunt, and sevral times I have found them in the frozen isle) it seems like the wrapper is more similar to the wrapper on a spring roll and doesn't seem to puff up like yeast would do.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.144.48 (talk) 00:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: yeast?

message: This article is awful and I have no idea how it can be fixed --71.131.27.5 (talk) 18:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article 

message: This article is unhelpful.  I am a user of Wikipedia who looked up this article to find out about the best blini (or blinis) to eat with my caviar.  As I wrote in an earlier comment, to have the article hijacked by someone who want to refer to "blintz" is misleading to speakers of Englsh.  It needs a new title and re-balancing - but I do not have enough expertise to do it well.  As it is it reads as propaganda for Jewish cookery.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordoncph (talk • contribs) 20:02, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a consumers guide to your dinner blinis. And having admitted that you're functionally incapable of contributing to the article but still expect some "expertise" from someone to allay your "Jewish cookery propaganda" fears, I think you'll find WP:NOT entirely sums up this place and you. Mind the door etc etc. Plutonium27 (talk) 05:45, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, thank you Plutonium27 for your comment which certainly breaches WP:NICE and quite possibly also breaches WP:PA.  Let us deal with your points in order.  First, it is perfectly reasonable to use an encyclopaedia to look up information about a food.  Second, one of the uses of the discussion pages is to point out issues that need clarification, and to suggest that experts write such clarifications - or do you only read articles where you are an expert?  Third, I have no "Jewish cookery fears".  Fourth, my original point stands.  I am British but travel widely in Slavic countries, where they are blinis.  They are also blinis in my local Polish shop and, indeed, in Marks and Spencer and in Waitrose - hardly the "posh cafes and hotels etc doing pricey brunch and in cookery books" you refer to in another post.  Wikipedia has a good article on pilaf: it the title were to be changed to "plov" I would argue that the article might then be thought to be propaganda for Azerbaijan cookery.  Most posts on this discussion page talk about blinis and not blintz.  I don't think I am alone. Gordoncph (talk) 17:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seriously guys, It is a pancake, and you are fighting over a tz->i HAND Gillis (talk) 22:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, no. it is more important than the difference between two spellings.  A period of study in the Oxford Companion to Food makes me determined to recast this article.  Blintz is a minority spelling, and a minority form, of the article in question.  The Oxford Companion to Food - an undoubtedly authoritative source - does not even refer to blinis/blintz in its article on Jewish food, and the article on blinis makes the etymology of the term "blintz" and the evolution of the food quite clear.  So - I rewrite when I have time.Gordoncph (talk) 20:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, but it should be easier to keep a friendly or at least good-mannered tone when the subject is as mundane as the spelling of a pancake than is showed in this thread by previous posters. Shame on you guys. Anyway, much of my travels in europe and especially here in Finland I have encountered that buckwheat blinis are referred to as "Russian cuisine". However, never when I have visited Russia have I gotten similar buckwheat blinis when ordering blinis. They are in russia in fact much flatter non-buckwheat ones and most Russians have no idea of the thick buckwheat Blini the word blini just means pancake in general in Russian. I think the reasons are already explained in the article. Blinis are however still quite common in Finland, presumably because such blinis have become popular here in Finland during the czar era, and as we have been independent before the soviet era we have still been able to keep the tradition up (by being allowed to grow buckwheat that is). And yes, we also spell it blini as have i seen the french do (although their taste a bit different and they eat them with different garnitures). Also remember one is given a degree of freedom in the spelling when the original name is from a language that must be transliterated into western alphabet. Perhaps this helps some in the writing. Gillis (talk) 20:07, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Gillis, all good points and I will be careful to bear them in mind when recasting the article.  I agree about the need for the good-mannered tone too, and the need to avoid breaches of WP:NICE and WP:PA. Gordoncph (talk) 08:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks, Gillis, a nice post. I should point out though that the implication that Finns were allowed to grow buckwheat and Soviets didn't is quite funny - not only because of "why on Earth Soviets would do that", but also because Russia was always challenged only by China as the top producer of buckwheat, and leads now. We just like to eat it boiled and with some butter and meat =)176.195.247.112 (talk) 22:53, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unhelpful 

message: What are the differences between a blin, a crepe, and a crepe? I think these should be addressed in this article. Komitsuki (talk) 10:31, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences? 

message: I intend to move the page to Blin (considering the majority on this talk page believe that is the more proper and comman name) and add hatnote:  If there are any objections, please let me know. Otherwise I'll move the page in a few days. Thanks, 14nights (talk) 19:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think, a more appropriate solution would be to split the article into two separate articles, as it describes in fact two different varieties of pancakes. As far as I understand (correct me if I'm wrong!), the variety called blini in the english-speaking world (and probably in many other places) usually refers to :ru:Русские блины ("Russian blini"), which are yeast-raised pancakes. Historically they were often made of buckwheat but the buckwheat variety became rare in Russia today. And in general, this traditional pancake variety is not as widespread today in Russia, as it was in former times. The other variety, referred to as blintzes, is what is called блинчики ("blinchiki", diminutive of blini, "thin blini") or ru:Налистники ("nalistniki") in Russia and Ukraine. The latter name is more common in Ukraine and is cognate with similar Polish "naleśniki". Today, the names blini and blinchiki are often used interchangeably in Russia, but this word simply means "pancakes" in Russian and may refer to any type of pancake. --Off-shell (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Blin 

message: It seems some UK vendor interpret a 'blini' as being a tiny crumpet. Is a small yeast raised crumpet essentially a 'blini' or not? Stub Mandrel (talk) 11:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: See :commons:Category:Blintzes for blini, as common today in Russia. Smaller and thicker versions, labelled blini in the West, may be named oladyi in Russia. See :commons:category:Oladyi. --Off-shell (talk) 19:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

text: Nah, it should NOT be crumpet.81.89.66.133 (talk) 14:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: These barely resemble the 'Blini' I ate today

message: So you add Ukraine here but remove Russian paska tradition @ Paska (bread) article.
just wow about such behaviour --85.212.147.186 (talk) 06:17, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  @DanielLerish 

message: Blini / Bliny (блины) is the plural of blin (блин), not "also called". Blinchik (блинчик) / blinchiki  pl. (блинчики) is just a diminutive affectionate form.
I understand why this happened, speaking of cooking, no one cooks just one blin, only many, like cookies. But an attempt to translate the russian plural form is perplexing for english speakers, as a result of this construction, mutants such as Blinis.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yarogri (talk • contribs) 12:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blin / Blini / Bliny ? Blinis #!? 

message: I'm not sure why the text names them as specifically Russian. Especially since the article references pre-christian period, which is few hundreds years before the creation of the Principality of Moscow. Parnas (talk) 20:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country attribution