Talk:Hubert Maga

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message: * GA Review at Talk:Hubert Maga/GA1. I'm kinda busy, so this may take a few days. Others are always free to join in... Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 21:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review at [[Talk:Hubert Maga/GA1]] 

message: I'm brining this here for wider concensus. I have election results for the 1970 election, and the question is, are they relevant here? ~EDDY (talk/contribs/editor review)</span>~ 01:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1970 Election Table 

message: The following paragraph seems contradictory: "The Council lost popularity with the Kutuklui Affair.[93] By decree of Maga and the rest of the council, Togolese opposition leader Noe Kutuklui was officially expelled from Dahomey on October 27, 1971,[94] where he had been precticing law since the late 1960s. It was at the request of General Etienne Eyadema, president of Togo, as Kutuklui had been involved in several plots against Eyadema's military government. The Council's decision to extradite him spurred demonstrations in Cotonou. Maga was inable to carry out his decision; Alphonse Alley protected Kutuklui and took him to an unknown place outside of Dahomey. Col. Alley received no punishment whatsoever for his role in the Affair.[93]
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In the second sentence, N. Kutuklui is said to be expelled, but in all the following sentences, as well as in the caption to the picture, he is said to be extradited. Does anyone know which is correct?
Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.213.41.2 (talk) 16:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kutuklui Affair

message: Omitting the lead, as I always deal with that after the main content, both when editing and when reviewing. And I'm not checking refs or other nitty-gritty stuff, this is just off the top. --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Some comments as requested

message: *"Voltaic" links to Mossi,which does not contain the word, while Volta is a disambig page. Readers who lack your knowledge will be confused - including me. Since the article is long enough already (as I commented re Leon M'ba, politicians in ex-colonies are difficult subjects because there's  so much background to explain plus issues that don't arises with non-colonies, like the role of the colonial power), I suggest you make sure there's a support page that explains "Voltaic" decently - with at least 1 good ref to protect it from WP:AfD. --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Education and teaching career

message: *What's a "general adviser"? How "elected"? Another difficulty with articles about political leaders whose career spans across independence day is that you need to explain 2 political systems, colonial and post-colonial. --Philcha (talk) 09:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Early political career

message: *Because there's so much background you need to establish for articles about African politicians, you need to think in terms of projects rather than individual articles. Sometimes the supporting articles can be quite short, like Cercle (French colonial), to which "Roger Peperty, the French chef de  cercle of Natitingou ... " links. I've had to create similar small explanatory articles a few times, e.g. Crurotarsal - you can leave them really short (like e.g. Dead Clade Walking), provided you add a ref or two to support the explanation you give and to prove  notability, so that it's not in danger of  deletion. In other cases the supporting article will be worth developing into a GA in its own right, e.g. Chelicerate (a major sub-divion of Arthropods). Taking the supporting articles to GA first has advantages: they're easier to get to GA / whatever, which gives you encouragement; it's easier to develop your editing techniques because you're not wrestling with such a huge mass of details; you build up a stock of refs and text you can re-use (selectively!) in "the big one".After your first draft of an article on an African politician, you need to list (perhaps in a personal sandbox page,  mine has all sorts of construction materials, including stuff I removed as too detailed and will re-use elsewhere sometime) you need to list what needs to be explained and where the best place for an full explanation is, beef up the relevant supporting articles and then return to your main objective.In the case of Maga, I think you need a good supporting article on the history post-colonial politics in Benin . Politics of Benin focusses on the current system and regulations etc., so it may not be a good candidate. History of Benin is shorter, but looks like it needs a lot more on the pre-colonial and colonial periods; when that happens the artcile might get rather long. My inclination (off the top of my head) would be to create a title like Post-colonial political history of Benin; you can develop the first version of the content at e.g. History of Benin and make your provisional title (e.g. Post-colonial political history of Benin) redirect to that; then if History of Benin gets too long, you can make Post-colonial political history of Benin a real article instead of a redirect, and move the relevant content there.I'm actually in the middle of a cycle like this: I rewrote Cambrian explosion because the preceding version was unintelligble to non-specialists;  Martin, who'd given me a lot of support, advice and refs for content, thought the result was scientifically quite good but was too long and contained too much about individual critters, and I largely agreed; he set up the  Cambrian explosion task force to build a set of supporting articles that could handle a lot of the details; while working on part of this "to do" list (Halwaxiid) I realised there were serious gaps in my knowledge of invertebrate zoology (I sometimes couldn't explain to myself what the academics were talking about), and to fill these gaps I've been working on articles about major invertebrate groups (6 GAs so far, a couple more will hopefully achieve GA soon, I daren't count how many to go).   --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: A few other thoughts

message: There are three instances in this article which refer to Maga's influence amongst the "uneducated", but the article never clarifies what exactly this means. Would someone with a few years of schooling be uneducated? What about someone with no schooling who was nonetheless literate? The reason I raise this issue (and I don't want to sound like I'm nit-picking) is because "uneducated" is a loaded word, both in terms of the people it describes and of what it says about Maga. Only one of the three instances of the word in this article is sourced: to a 1966 book called "African Powder Keg" (a sensationalist title), about which I can find very little information. It's certainly not an up-to-date source reflecting recent scholarship. Can anyone elaborate on the subject? Or, better yet, is there someone who can clarify its meaning and revise the article accordingly? Tigercompanion25 (talk) 19:52, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You could see if you could get African Powder Keg if it has any clarification. By uneducated I assume it is meant "without formal schooling." That may be a better way of phrasing things. I haven't had the books for several years, so I can't really comment too much. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)</span>~ 20:01, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the very same thing, just ironic really how he gained influence among those without formal schooling yet he was by profession a school master. --OJ (talk) 08:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maga and the "uneducated" 

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