Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles/Archive 9

message: Should there be a page to direct people to who think the romanisation scheme has to be changed? A page that is, that explains why we use the system we use and how this came to be? This discussion has been waged several times, and I think there is broad support for the current way of doing things. Just restarting the discussion again gets tiresome. Shinobu 11:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be good to create a subpage off the WP:MOS-JA that discusses the whole romanization issue, including macrons, etc. It could be built off of the content from all the discussions and decisions made here. Perhaps something like Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)/Romanisation (with a redirect from Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)/Romanization, of course)?···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, I don't see why it couldn't be an article in itself. Problems with romanization of Japanese for example, or maybe better as just a segment of the Romanization of Japanese article. Wikipedia has always been a great place to boast both sides of the story, and there are loads of respected linguists that have published in respected journals about their problems with romanization of Japanese, as well as other romanization schemes.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  04:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I was implying that it didn't have to be in the Wikipedia namespace, the problems with romanization could be included in the article itself.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  23:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanisation FAQ 

message: I'm editing a lot of Japanese athlete bios, and I encounter high school names that appear in articles in both English and in Romaji.
For example:
*Shimizu Shogyo High School or Shimizu Commercial High School
*Noshiro Kogyo High School or Noshiro Technical High School
*Funabashi Ichiritsu High School or Funabashi Municipal High School
What is the consensus here? Do we translate the type of school or maintain the Japanese name? Thanks Ytny 17:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should use the English title when possible. It's also recommended that you use the  template to list the name of the high school, which would then include both the English, the kanji and the rōmaji, so there would be no confusion. In the case the high school is notable enough for its own article, then just link to the article using the English title. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of high schools 

message: I do not know if there has ever been discussion or consensus on the preferred format of art terms, specifically those ending in "-e" and "-ga," so I apologize if I am bringing up something already resolved. That said, I am beginning a discussion on the matter over at WikiProject:Japan. LordAmeth 23:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Art term suffixes: 絵 and 画 

message: The demarcation of the Meiji Period as the time period in which to list names "first name, then last name" is completely arbitrary. If this is not the practice in Japan, why should it be adopted here? There should be standardization across time frames, otherwise casual Wikipedia users will get completely confused as to proper naming. The standard should be the common academic standard of "last name, then first name" common in most modern academic texts in the U.S and Japan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.148.2.238 (talk • contribs) 
:Please see the archives ... this was one of the classic debates of this forum and after years of debate we finally reached a consensus. It's not perfect, but neither is it completely arbitrary either. CES 13:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, it is common when writing the names in English, even in Japan, to demarcate with Meiji 1. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Name Order 

message: I hope bringing up this topic does not cause too much trouble, but after watching the passionate but (IMHO) banal debate about Korea's role in Japan's history on Talk:Japan as well as the reverts between Dokdo and Takeshima on List of islands of Japan, I wondered if we have a policy or have even discussed how to deal with "disputed" names in Japan-related articles. To me at least it makes sense to use the Japanese name (unless there is a commonly used English name that would be appropriate instead) ... following Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English. As an example, to me it seems silly to have "Dokdo" as an "island of Japan" (just as it would be strange to have "Takeshima" as an "island of South Korea"). Given that most of these issues will be Japan-Korea debates involving geographic locations like Takeshima/Dokdo, Sea of Japan/East Sea, etc. this may be a touchy subject, but it seems like it would be a good idea to have a policy in place, or at least discuss the issue. CES 23:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places) and some other Manual of Style pages but was unable to find a Wikipedia-wide discussion. Can anyone locate a policy or guideline? Fg2 01:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How's this one, for a Wikipedia-wide standard? : Wikipedia:Naming conflict  --Endroit 02:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed Names