Talk:Islamic view of miracles

message: I've looked around for academic sources that might link this two together. As such, I found no connection other than the fact that the name of the place of the former miracle is Fátima, Portugal (see its wiki page; note also that Fatimah Az-Zahra wasn't mentioned at all on that page). So if you can find any, please include it in reference, I would greatly appreciate it. As of now, I am removing the link again not out of spite, but because I think we can objectively agree that no evidence points to any link between the two yet. I would be happy to leave it in if you can cite a source to support it. Haya shiloh 02:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not have any online source, but there is such a conection made in the Muslim world, in Iran, they make a huge point of a supposed quote from her saying "i am the daughter of the prophet". --Striver 21:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is odd to link the christian Fatima to the Muslim Fatima just because they have the same name. Fatima is common name in Portugal and Brazil, and might have been inherited from the times the Iberian peninsula was under Islamic rule.--A Jalil 22:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As said, they support the conection on the above quote. --Striver 09:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on what I know about Virgin Mary apparitions throughout history, I still find the link somewhat tenuous. I've added "citation needed" tag to it to alert anybody who might know any online reference to put it in. Haya shiloh 20:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have read before that in Muslim-populated areas, historically Catholics increased Fatima-related veneration. It helped smooth relations with Muslims. Maybe they thought the Catholics were honoring Muhammad's daughter. Maybe some understood the difference, but still felt it was a step in the right direction by the Catholics. The flip side and the one that is more speculative is whether there is a tie-in to crypto-Islamic practices within Catholicism.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 05:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Our Lady of Fatima is/is not Fatimah Az-Zahra? 

message: i suggest deleting this article, or merging it with the Qur'an and miracles article (Imad marie (talk) 11:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Imad, actually I suggest the reverse. This present article is broader. There's no need to make a separate Quran and miracles article which you made. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 06:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That would work too. THis is the better of the two titles, after all. Yahel Guhan 06:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  deleting this article 

message: I propose merging Qur'an and miracles into Islamic view of miracles. Qur'an and miracles is redundant. Islamic view of miracles is a more NPOV title as well and is more broader than Qur'an and miracles. Not to mention that Qur'an and miracles is a really small article so it should really just be moved into the other one. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 06:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: if that the case then they defiantly  should be merge.The is so much overlap.Moreover the way I see it this article is merely propaganda or Islamic Dawah.Oren.tal (talk) 18:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Where is the discussion that is still going on? And I don't understand why two distinct topics should be merged into one. (Imad marie (talk) 20:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Just one more note: there are already pages for I'jaz and Challenge of the Quran which further overlap with the article I propose to move here, so if needed, any material that isn't suitable here could go to those articles. Gazelle55 (talk) 07:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  , , , , I don't know if you guys are still active on WP, but I saw you participated in the previous merger discussion. If you see this, what are your thoughts now? Gazelle55 (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Qur'an and miracles]] into [[Islamic view of miracles]] 

message: I believe that the current state of the articles justifies reviving this proposal. There is already a sub-section on this article on the Quran, and the content from the other one can go there. Most of the content in the article is uncited or cites the Quran without commentary from reliable secondary sources (WP:PSTS urges extreme caution interpreting primary sources for ourselves as editors). The part that is well-sourced can easily fit within this article and we will not even be approaching maximum recommended article length.
An editor said above that the two topics are separate, but I don't believe this is true because the Quran is viewed as a miracle in Islam, and the ijaz movement has been incredibly active promoting the view that the Quran contains scientific miracles. Both of these points are well-sourced already. I also agree with the editor above who said this article has a better title in terms of NPOV. Gazelle55 (talk) 06:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Just one more note: there are already pages for I'jaz and Challenge of the Quran which further overlap with the article I propose to move here, so if needed, any material that isn't suitable here could go to those articles. Gazelle55 (talk) 07:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  , , , , I don't know if you guys are still active on WP, but I saw you participated in the previous merger discussion. If you see this, what are your thoughts now? Gazelle55 (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Reviving merger proposal

message: Hi,
Greetings, Requesting you to have a look at 
* Superstitions in Muslim societies and also Talk:Superstitions in Muslim societies
Requesting article expansion help, if above topics interest you.
Thanks and regards
Bookku (talk) 08:54, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting help in article expansion