Talk:Vietnamese Australians

message: Can someone please clarify what is actually meant by the term 'Vietnamese Australian'? The article, as it stands, contains serious deficiencies. For example, what is meant by the term 'ethnically Vietnamese' in the context of this article?  Does it simply refer to all people born in Vietnam and who speak Vietnamese (whether or not as a first language) and  all their descendants (disregarding all notions of ancestry), or does it refer to the Vietnamese ethnicity as applied in Vietnam only, which excludes Vietnam's ethnic minorities such as the Cantonese and Hmong peoples (the former, incidentally, is closely related to the 'native' Vietnamese people both culturally and genetically)? Indeed, the 'population' box even presumes that descendants of Vietnamese Australians are somehow not 'Vietnamese Australian'! It would be better if a more precise definition is given rather than the somewhat ambiguous term 'ethnically Vietnamese'.
Also there seems to be a lack of reliable references to back up the information regarding economic and social conditions within the Vietnamese Australian community. Some of the information in the article amounts to little more than 'anecdotal evidence'.
Furthermore, it would very helpful if people using this talk page refrained from placing blatantly offensive comments on the page. At least one of the comments now on the talk page could even contravene Australian Anti-Discrimination Law (any well educated person would know which section I am talking about). Your cooperation would be gratefully appreciated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.98.142 (talk) 03:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The comments on this page are not the article, they are merely discussion by editors in order to sort out the article's content.  In terms of your suggestions, they are perfectly valid clarifications to seek, but please be aware that you too can edit and help to refine the article.  In order to challenge unreferenced facts, please feel free to tag assertions with  in order to draw to attention any assertions you have difficulty with that are not supported by references; if supported by references but inadequately or there is some other reason for doubt you can use  --Matilda talk 04:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious Deficiencies in Article 

message: Following on from the discussion above, some changes have been made to the article.  One of these changes substituted citizens for  citizens or residents.  I don't think this is correct.  We do not distinguish between citizens or residents for most purposes - in particular the census.  The scope of the Census according to the ABS is All persons and dwellings in Australia and the external Territories of Christmas Island and Cocos (Keeling) islands on Census Night excluding diplomats, their families and diplomatic dwellings, and visitors from overseas who are not required to undergo migration formalities, such as foreign crews on ships. .  Thus for example we have 159,848 people counted in the 2006 census who were born in Vietnam - and of these we do not distinguish thier nationality. --Matilda talk 06:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is meant by the term Vietnamese Australian - just citizens or residents too 

message: It seems that no one has attempted, to date, to actually provide a proper definition of 'Vietnamese Australian'. I feel that a proper definition is crucial as different people seem to have very different ideas of just what is meant by 'Vietnamese Australian'. I propose that the usual definition(s) be listed and then any other notable alternatives can follow.
Also, would it be appropriate to mention in the article that there are many Vietnamese Australians (going by one of the usual definition(s)) out there who are NOT capable of speaking Vietnamese at all? I ask this because it seems to be mainly these people who are likely to not even identify themselves as 'Vietnamese' when asked about their ethnicity!
For the record, most of the non-Vietnamese speaking 'Vietnamese Australians' speak Cantonese or Teochew as their mother tongue, albeit in a Vietnamese accent.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.105.145.175 (talk) 12:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A natural (and popular) definition of 'Vietnamese Australian' would be 'any Australian of Vietnamese ethnicity'. While this is the usual definition of 'Vietnamese Australian' the concept of Vietnamese ethnicity is more troublesome than many people realise. First of all, Vietnamese ethnicity is often equated to the Kinh people but the two entities are not synonymous or at least not so in modern times. It is likely that the Vietnamese are really a mixture of closely related peoples with the Kinh people being one of the constituent peoples. Which brings me to the second point.
As mentioned previously, many Vietnamese Australians born in Australia cannot speak Vietnamese at all despite the fact that many of their parents were literate in the Vietnamese language. However, most of these people speak Cantonese or Teo Chew (albeit in a Vietnamese accent) as their mother tongue. These people also tend not to identify themselves as 'Vietnamese' in any way at all. This leads to another question: given that the Cantonese and Teo Chew peoples are almost genetically identical to the 'native' Vietnamese (and intermarriage needs to be factored in too for the purposes of this discussion), surely there should be no controversy over whether Vietnamese ethnicity is tied to being able to speak Vietnamese. But as the above example demonstrates, it seems that there is mass confusion among the Vietnamese Australians themselves as to notions of identity.
So what is the bottomline: if we define 'Vietnamese Australian' simply as being Australians born in Vietnam or of Vietnamese ethnicity, then there is a danger of serious misinterpretation where we would have the ridiculous situation of an Australian descendant of a Vietnamese Australian not being considered 'Vietnamese Australian' simply because of his or her ancestry or language background! Indeed the information box needs to be revised as it is promoting the very confusion that I have just described (labels like ancestry are extremely unhelpful in this context).
Of course there are radicals out there who would do anything in order to marginalise anyone who they see as being not 'Vietnamese'. Indeed, Vietnamese Australians such as those of Cantonese ancestry have been given rather offensive labels by the radicals in their attempts to promote an 'us and them' attitude and also to manipulate notions of ethnicity.
Sorry for being long-winded but this issue is really serious and needs to be addressed promptly. Your responses would be appreciated. 122.105.148.86 (talk) 12:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The question of identity 

message: User 64.233.237.51 had added an entry under the 'notable' section for the criminal gang that once flourished in Western Sydney, engaging principally in the drug trade. While the criminal gang certainly made major headlines for an extended period of time AND made a strong impact on the image of affected communities, I believe that the notable list really should only include individuals, not groups. So perhaps it would be better to list the most infamous of the gang in question and provide appropriate descriptions. Does anyone have any ideas on this?
By the way, some organisations have quoted the number of Vietnamese Australians as being well over two hundred thousand (as of 2007). Is this  fact worth mentioning? 122.105.147.208 (talk) 10:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the edits of user 64.233.237.51

message: Some of the entries in the said section are red links. I am wondering how many of them are actually notable. 122.109.121.124 (talk) 12:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable section revisited 

message: This person is only a Fairfield City councillor. I highly doubt that this person is notable as even ethnic Vietnamese living in other Sydney suburbs such as Liverpool or Auburn are not likely to have even heard of this person. If there is more to the story, then please feel free to provide evidence to establish the notability (or lack thereof) of this person.
Perhaps it is time that all entries in the "notable" section (especially those that have no corresponding Wikipedia article) be reviewed for notability. David873 (talk) 06:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed notability of [[Thang Ngo]]

message: I have been adding Natalie Tran to the notable vietnamese austrailians list but some mother fucker keeps deleting her. Stop it!
:Insults do not aid your argument and only make you sound ignorant. If you can't discuss the matter in a polite way, perhaps Wikipedia is not for you. -- Mattinbgn\talk 21:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of Natalie Tran 

message: According to this 
http://geography.about.com/od/culturalgeography/a/10languages.htm
Vietnamese is NOT the 6th most spoken language in the world.
Perhaps this claim can be corrected in the present article.
N.A.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.36.20.5 (talk) 15:10, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity of Vietnamese 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Add these two demographic maps about Vietnamese Australians to the article.
File:Australian Census 2011 demographic map - Australia by SLA - BCP field 1216 Vietnamese Total Responses.svg
File:Australian Census 2011 demographic map - Inner Sydney by SLA - BCP field 1216 Vietnamese Total Responses.svg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Demographic_maps_of_people_of_Vietnamese_ancestry_by_Statistical_Local_Area
 162.251.60.16 (talk) 10:28, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: It is not clear where you want to include these two images. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 04:54, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2023 

message: Please add this image of the Vietnamese Australian community to the Infobox.
File:Vietnamese Australian community in Melbourne, Australia.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vietnamese_Australian_community_in_Melbourne,_Australia.jpg
Thank you!
Na2212 (talk) 21:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Melmann 22:38, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 January 2024