Talk:Air America – Gloria Wise loan controversy

message: Added some image and updated info.  --Wynot Minot 03:02, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I have replaced the Al Franken image with the Air America logo. With the Al Franken image the article gave the impression that Franken had some special significance to the GW loan affair which he doesn't.
Actually he does.  He made a loan guarantee to repay the $875,000 that may nave been illegally obtained from the Gloria Wise charity organization.  I'm reinserting the photo and placing that info in the caption.  --DEastman 04:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: In the interest of NPOV and in accordance with Wikipedia advice on reaching agreement concerning disputes, I am going to REMOVE both disputed images for the time being until such agreement can be reached through discussion. I ask all who are interested in coming to an agreement as to which images belong on this article, to put your comments here. --Pmagnay 13:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed Images - Reaching Agreement

message: The inclusion of Franken's image and the caption to Spitzers image is clearly POV. 
NO evidence is NOT evidence. Absence of a denial of a falsehood does NOT make that falsehood true. And it is absurd to post inaccurate/incorrect reporting as facts, reporting which has been duly corrected by the publication in question.
1. Franken's Image
The settlement agreement is clear. It is a legal document and is the primary source of facts in this instance. The settlement agreement clearly demonstrates that 1) it is NOT a loan guarantee, it does NOT include any terms or conditions relating to the repayment of the loan, 2) Franken is not an investor, he has no financial interest in any of the partys to the agreement. Franken has no connection to the original loan transfers. 
Franken's limited role in this affair therefore does NOT warrant his image in this article
2. Caption on Spitzer's Image
AAR is not a target of the investigation. Therefore the assertion that AAR is under "criminal investigation" is clearly POV.
I have attempted to engage in dialogue to resolve these two issues but no such courtesy has been returned. So I am now going to start the dispute resolution process.
1. A NPOV dispute banner will be placed on this page until these issues can be resolved. 
2. I am also going to clearly indicate in the body of the article exactly where those disputes lie.
3. I will be requesting for a third party opinion to resolve the disputes.
I ask you to follow Wikipedia policies on dispute resolution.
--Pmagnay 16:42, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't it about Piquant LLC and Progress Media, the owners of AAR?  If so, wouldn't including "Air America Radio's owners" into the Spitzer thing fix it?  I dont consider myself 3rd party given my hand in the article, but I figured I'd chime in... --Badlydrawnjeff 17:39, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Saw this on WP:3O and thought I'd take a gander.  From my understanding of the situation, it appears that Franken is on the fringes of this issue and really only notable as a recognizable talent on Air America.  The picture of Franken doesn't serve a purpose on this page -- maybe one of Evan Cohen could go in its place; he seems more central to the issue?  The picture of Spitzer definately adds value, but the comment on AAR should be removed.  While the news media does use the Air America name frequently, I imagine that's in the name of publicity -- they always eventually state that it is the parent company being investigated (Progress Media) and paying back the loan (Piquant LLC); its interesting how they mention it off hand and rarely actually name the parent company.  Anyways, we shouldn't let their POV treatment of the story affect our own. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 00:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raising Dispute & Calling for Third Party Opinion concerning POV Images 

message: I'm wondering, if this case were on the level, why is almost every source cited from the NY Sun?  I mean, there are a few from the NY Post and Times, but not many.  Have other papers failed to chime in because they consider the case non-newsworthy?  Or was it that the NY Sun's coverage was cherry-picked in order to bias this article?  Whatever the reason, a greater variety of sourcing is required.  Kasreyn 05:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This entire article is basically a rewrite of a series of Michelle Malkin columns. The dead giveaway is the incorrect reference to the intial newspaper that broke the scandal as "The Bronx News" (like Malkin did) instead of the correct name "The Gotham Gazette". Many of the "quotes" in this article appear to have been lifted from Malkin's columns. FinFangFoom 13:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Last year I wrote Byron Calome, the NY Times Public Editor, who acknowledged puzzlement that the Times had written so little about this subject.  He sent an inquiry to Times editors but got no straight answer. WBcoleman 19:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variety of sources 

message: I noticed there is a problem with the last sentence in the second-to-last paragraph.  "Piquant LLC subsequently out of court on November 18, 2005."  How about a verb in this sentence?  Hildenja 04:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
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