Talk:Four Times of the Day

message: This is not a comment that I am expecting definite action on, but on reading the article I was struck by the use of various class-based social descriptions through out, viz: 'upper and middle classes', 'middle class life', 'lower classes' (twice), 'slovenliness of the working classes'. While I'll agree that this is a useful, quick way of describing the social relations in Hogarth's works, it is arguably a bit anachronistic to say that eighteenth century England had the modern upper/middle/working system of class divisions, or that contemporaries like Hogarth would have viewed society as being partitioned in this way. I don't think grouping the black man, reasonably well dressed woman and the ragged-clothed street urchins in 'Noon' all as 'working class' gives a particularly accurate impression of eighteenth century social relations, for example. (Although it could be argued that Hogarth meant to imply this through the simple left/right division of the picture.)
At this stage, when we're talking about an encylopedia article a few thousand words long, I don't think this is especially important, as the article is a concise summary rather than a full, academic treatment. Nonetheless it would be nice, in the long run, if a more nuanced treatment of social relations could be developed, so that unfamiliar readers are not led into uncritically thinking that such class categories were as defined then as they are now. Ycdkwm 19:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed one of those instances before noticing this. The difficulty, as you point out, is that "class" is a useful shorthand even if not entirely accurate, and avoids the need to go into a complete discussion of the social structure of the 18th century or the need to phrase the sentences in such a way as to deliberately avoid using "class", which can look clumsy. That said, I agree in principle. Yomanganitalk 13:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the word 'class' 

message: The 'Reception' section talks about the 1745 auction, but not the prices. I had to search back through the rest of the article to find the prices in the 'Background' section. Is it possible to repeat the prices (and give the total) in the later section? Carcharoth 12:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You want me to add up in old money?! I'll look at adding that (I'll try and get the totals for the Rake and Harlot too for comparison) Yomanganitalk 13:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Careful, I might ask for an idea of whether these auction prices were expensive for the time or not... :-) Carcharoth 13:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception and auction prices 

message: Thank you for writing and featuring this article, Featured articles editors. ---Sluzzelin talk 07:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a wonderful article! 

message: I have a couple of the original prints in the attic. Anyone know if they are worth anything?--BozMo talk 09:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: The recent tagging of "said" in this sentence: 
:The figure of the spinster is said to be based on a relative of Hogarth, who, recognizing herself in the picture, cut him out of her will.
seems unnecessary to me; the sentence is cited to Jenny Uglow and the attribution is no doubt described there.  I don't see a need for further clarification.  If the details of why this is thought to be the case are of interest, then they could be added, but there seems nothing wrong with the current version.  Hence I have removed the tag. Mike Christie (talk) 12:12, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "By whom" tag 

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