Talk:Alan García

message: Someone with the facts should correct the addition in the following sentence:
"According to studies of the INEI and PNUD [3], around the start of his presidency, 41.6% of Peruvians lived in poverty. During his presidency, more than five million Peruvians were added to the ranks of the poor; the percentage increased 23% (to 55%) in 1991."
I could be misunderstanding some statistical subtlety, but 41.6% + 23% = 64.6%,  not 55%.
::Either way it is very vauge and misleading, honestly.  I am just now looking at a statistic that quotes 64% under "the poverty line."  I think it honestly depends on who's drawing the line.  Considering that there was extreme hyper-inflation between 1985-1990 in Peru, the poverty estimate would have to be quite arbitrary when comaring the two, in any case.  --Ccosta 02:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One more thing. This isn't really the right forum for discussing labor law, but European countries have similar laws to protect employees. You cannot simply fire someone without due cause; there are very clear guidelines about how that is done. You may think these laws are stupid, but they ensure social stability and cohesion and haven't prevented Europe from becoming an economic powerhouse. In any case, it would be very helpful to be able to state what the requirements of the 1973 labor law were and how García applied and/or modified them. -- Viajero 12:15, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing wrong to protect employes. That is true. The problem was that this laws were over used by the Garcia Administration to secure jobs for the APRA party. Unfortunately (as I already stated), people that didn't fit on the job were often put on high position due to his affiliation with the party. I would get more information regarding the wrongfully use of this laws. However, I will not get involve on the modification of this article. Messhermit 05:28, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Economic facts?

message: A certain IP keeps on adding his blogs onto the talk page of Peru related articles, it is really starting to get on my nerves. See this.--Jersey Devil 20:23, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IP Blogs

message: Maybe the word "terrorism" is frowned upon by wikipedia, but this is generally what the violence caused by the guerillas (especially urban car-bombs, of which there were hundreds upon hundreds) is referred to as in Peru.  Maybe you will find a handfull of people on here who would rather call it a "people's struggle" but it was(and is) simply terrorism.
Also, referring to the Sendero Luminoso or shining path as the terrorists IS misleading, as the MRTA had a good share of the blame as well.--Ccosta 08:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whilst I certainly agree that the acts conducted by the Shining Path where savage, I have a strong respect for NPOV policy and I really dislike the use of the word "terrorist". With regards to the MRTA being labeled as "terrorists" as well, I'd have to disagree as well on different ground however as the Truth Commision itself recongnized that whilst the MRTA was responsible for deaths during their campaign they wore uniforms identifying themselves and attacked mainly military targets unlike the Shining Path which openly attacked civilians as a "legitimate weapon of war".--Jersey Devil 06:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About "Terrorism" 

message: There are not any official results yet only exit polls please stop adding language such as "virtually the next President" not only is it unencyclopedic but WP:NOT a crystal ball. Only the exit polls should be mentioned not that Garcia is "the next President of Peru" as that implies that it has been officially confirmed.--Jersey Devil 02:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, for IP users, please try and provide sources for any relevant info you wish to add. Just click the external link button when you edit and this comes up link title and put the link there if you don't know how to do the references that is fine just leave the link when you are citing something and I can do the references for you. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 02:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent changes

message: This article seems extremely critical in a non neutral way. I will soon add the template unless it starts becoming less so, so I thought I'd give fair warning. Judgesurreal777 15:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed a few sentences to tone it down a bit, but I might have missed some. I agree that there is not much positive stuff, especially with respect to his first presidency, but individual statements are largely accurate. I'm more bothered by the lack of sources when citing anonymous claims ("Some Peruvians have called him...", "Some supect...", "his critics claim...").--Gabbec 16:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Jersey Devil makes a good point: sadly the most notable aspects of his first presidency, even for most foreign media, were pretty much all negative. So, while there are some instances of deliberate POV, it is rather natural that the negative dominates. Anyway, the article does need some cleaning up, so let's work on it. Judgesurreal777, please point at any specific examples of objectionable material if possible. Thanks, --Gabbec 00:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not as bad as I thought, but here are some statements that are biased or need sources:
"The García administration unsuccessfully sought a military solution to the growing terrorism, allegedly committing human rights violations which are still under investigation."
In this section, it needs to be clearer his role is not established, to list it like this makes it look very much like he killed these people, and if he did, it still needs citations.
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"These include the Accomarca massacre, where 47 campesinos were gunned to death by the Peruvian armed forces in August 1985, the Cayara massacre (May 1988) in which some thirty were killed and dozens disappeared, and the summary execution of more than 200 inmates during prison riots in Lurigancho, San Juan Bautista (El Frontón) and Santa Bárbara in 1986. According to an official inquiry, an estimated 1,600 forced disappearances took place during García's presidency. His own personal involvement in these events is not clear."
This paragraph is repetitive and speculative without sources.
"García's presidency left the country with hyperinflation, isolated from the international financial community, with reserves of minus US$900 million, continuous subversive activities by the Shining Path, great increase in poverty levels and an electric train multi-million investment in Lima that was never finished. His critics claim the many poor decisions he took while in office created an environment conducive the rise of an authoritarian leader like Alberto Fujimori. Some suspect García and APRA cut a deal with Fujimori during the 1990 election, backing him in return for immunity, so as to prevent Mario Vargas Llosa and his FREDEMO party, then leading in the polls, from coming to power. During the campaign, FREDEMO had promised to investigate corruption in the García administration."
This sentence stood out as an emphasis on the negative, the place he lost as opposed to the places he won being emphasized.
He will be the new president of Peru after winning approximately 53% of the nationwide vote despite losing key economic & tourist areas such as Cusco, Arequipa and mining areas such as Huancavelica, Junín and jungle areas including Loreto, Amazonas and Madre de Dios.
And that's what I see. Judgesurreal777 16:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV concerns

message: Gotta tag it, it is not neutral, feel free to remove once concerns have been addressed :) Judgesurreal777 22:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: do you mean in the talk page, or the article?  My statement for example in the talk page was biased, I will admit that, but it's not part of the article.  --Ccosta 02:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagging NPOV

message: Jersey Devil, may I know why you are removing the link to Garcia's past articles? I find those articles hugely important to the person who is doing research on his past presidency and news articles about Peru during the late 80's.
I my self relied a lot on such information for a country profile I was assigned in college. Also, what exactly are you referring to as an "nn site" ? Please state you're reasons. --Dynamax 01:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The articles are fine, but the site is clearly extremely POV against Garcia. I think that the simple solution would be to make references to the articles inside the main article instead of directly linking the site in the external links section.--Jersey Devil 00:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: I'm wondering why it is listed July 28 2006 - July 28 2011.  I understand that under the current constitution and laws these are the planned dates for the second term, but should they be listed as factual term dates before this has happened?  Something could easily happen, just look back to 1992 for an example.
The breakdown of districts where AG lost is very interesting to anyone who is familiar with the demographics and culture of Peru.  Aside from being a tourist center, for example, Cusco is a center of indigenous power and pretty poor as well.  I'd like to know even more, i.e. which way did Ayacucho, the former locus of Sendero power, vote?  It would also be interesting to analyze the reasons people gave for voting one way or another.  There has been a certain amount of testimony of people crossing their fingers as they voted for Garcia, wanting to believe his claims that he has learned the lessons from his first terms failure.
I'm curious to know how much the people wanting to tag this article actually know about Peru:  is their reaction simply editorial reflex or based on their own POV?
A personal perspective:  Everyone I know in Peru who was even close to adulthood at the time of AG's first term agrees that it left the country a terrifying basketcase and that the fear of a return to the bloody chaos they attributed to AG's fecklessness led to Fujimori's dictatorship.  The scariness of the situation in the highlands, and the Sendero's indiscriminate fear-inducing slaughter of indigenous peoples (is this an acceptable circumlocution in lieu of "terrorism"?) on every level of society - yes there are non-white middleclass in Peru - are thoroughly documented.  
Sadly, the upper and middle classes in Lima (actually the formerly suburban newtowns of Miraflores, Barranco and San Isidro (no one middleclass lived or worked in the historic center anymore as it had become a slum overwhelmed by "Serranos," indigenous people fleeing the terror in the highlands) turned their faces from the disaster afflicting the mostly indio highlands until bombs started going off in Miraflores. The bloodiness and chaos of this period cannot be overemphasized, regardless of WP's NPOV policy. Maybe one doesn't want to draw a cause and effect link?
This is my first communication to the discussion page, so if it's out of line please let me know.
Jojo40 19:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Term dates given 

message: I reverted this edit by User:K4zem.  Alot of that info is still relevant to the article and it is not of such a large size that it is necessary to remove.--Jersey Devil 11:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did the same thing. So far, User:K4zem has not provided a reasonable explanation behind why is that information being constantly removed. Messhermit 12:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Mi intención era agregar la nacionalidad y profesión del personaje y eliminar redundancias, de todas formas  he decidido no volver a intervenir en este artículo. Bye.--K4zem 11:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: I haven't seen any information about Garcia's mental & psico' illness. There should somthing about such impt thing.--Walter Humala 20:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he is right. I heard my cousin (who was born and raised in Peru and is pro-Garcia and pro-Aprista) say something about his illness as being the reason he kicked that indigenous man during the pro-Aprista parade.--Jersey Devil 00:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Caretas is pretty well established as a reliable Peruvian media source. So I would say any information in that article you can put into the bio so long as it is properly cited in the article--Jersey Devil 04:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alan García Mentally ill 

message: We need some images of Garcia in his first term, early political career, and early life (or of events associated with these). If you are going to upload them please make sure that they are in fact fair use.--Jersey Devil 16:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

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thread_title:  Name 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Garcia-Humala Screenshot.jpg

message: Here we have a long article about a politician, yet it fails to mention the most important aspect of any politician: the positions he stands for. The only thing we learn is that he likes the death penalty. Anything else? AxelBoldt (talk) 18:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are his political positions? 

message: When? Can you document or cite anything? Not mentioned in the article either.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by GenQuest (talk • contribs) 23:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assassination attempt? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Below is the text that was removed from the article since it did not have any citations. Some portions have been omitted since it is mainly editorialized wording or already included in a different section.
:"His long-time ally Jorge del Castillo represented him as his lawyer and performed very heavy lobbying to allow García to legally return to Peru. After Del Castillo was elected to Congress, he had much more leverage for García's defence. The main accuser of the former president, Congressman Fernando Olivera, left Peru after Fujimori's fall. Fernando Olivera still follows his accusations against García and remains an avid critic."
:"His campaign election theme was that he was the most experienced candidate and thus the most prepared, as he had made mistakes before as President, and had learned from them. He attributed the problems of the Peruvian economy in his first presidency to the economic problems of Argentina and Brazil at the time. He distanced himself from accusations that he had been protected by Fujimori during his exile, and he would switch the topic when he was asked about his endorsement of Fujimori in the 1990 election."
If you believe more of the removed text should be included, add it below.----ZiaLater (talk) 14:04, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
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message: Hello, I would like to request a petition of being editor on this page. I have been a contributor of the article for many years, I am from Peru, and have a strong knowledge of the person's life and contribution of Peruvian history. I have reverted vandalistic edits against him many times, as he remains a polarized figure. I promise full neutrality in the article, if that is brought into question. 50.201.95.250 (talk) 21:48, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
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