Talk:Pedro Martínez

message: It's a small change, but under Met's Years, the followed started that section off: "After Boston's delirious World Series triumph in 2004, Martínez again became a free agent and signed a 4-year, $53 million contract with the New York Mets." I have removed "delirious" from that sentence, as it does not seem appropriate for an encyclopedia entry. -- Ubergenius 14:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small change 

message: The article claims that Pedro has 2 children from previous relationships... Is there any citation or reference to backup this claim? I have been an adament Pedro fan since he was in Montreal (I wanted to play professional baseball since I was 7, but was always shorter than my peers, and he became an inspiration because of his stature combined with amazing talent), and live in Boston, and as such followed him closely during his tenure with the Sox, and I've never even heard this mentioned, even  in passing, in all those years. -- Ubergenius 13:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children?? 

message: "grabbing Zimmer's head, violently threw the coach to the ground (it could also be said that Martinez simply sidestepped Zimmer and his own momentum toppled him to the ground)."
From the perspective of someone who studied martial arts for 14 years, it looked like the latter to me.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.182.124.3  (talk) 22:31, 5 October 2005
:there is some caused downward inertia by Pedro, but i'd say the ratio of throw-to-topple is about 30/70.  that game was awesome.  attack on a 72-year-old man or not, was he supposed to just stand there?  he did not have a leverage advantage with the weight disparity.--Nod 05:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  So which is it? 

message: Pedro Martinez is commonly assumed to be less than his "official" height of 5-11.  This knowledge enhances appreciation of his remarkable accomplishments; it does not impugn them.  The lower his literal stature, the greater his pitching stature.  
If you don't like the words "supposed" or "generously," don't just delete them, think of something else.  Accurate phraseology should reflect the enhancement in Martinez's listed height. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.131.199.55 (talk • contribs)  22:31, 14 May 2006.
:I have no interest in either enhancing or impugning his accomplishments. We're supposed to edit content with neutral points of view and only include material which is verifiable. If it's true that he is shorter than his listed height, just find a reliable, published source as a reference and post it. Check out the Wikipedia policy on verifiability.  Veronique 06:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted the last change for a coupe of reasons. First, saying a fact is "commonly assumed" is an example of weasel_words, which wikipedia style says should be avoided. Second, the source given to support the assertion at jockbio.com doesn't go as far as saying it's "commonly assumed" but that "many believe" Martinez is shorter than 5-11 — more weasel words. If we could find a quote or an article from someone who comes out and says Martinez is shorter than listed, that would probably work, but this seems like using hearsay to spread hearsay and puffing it up. Veronique 22:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tall tales 

message: ...especially if the article supports it, which this one does. Only eight pitchers have ever won three or more Cy Young awards - Clemens, Johnson, Carlton, Maddux, Koufax, Palmer, Seaver and Pedro. Pretty good company there. That alone is probably enough to qualify him as one of the top pitchers ever. He's 29 strikeouts short of 3,000, so he should pass that litmus test in a couple of weeks. He has an astoundingly low career WHIP of 1.02 - the only non-deadball era pitcher in the top 15. There's really not much room for argument, and I don't see anyone seriously suggesting he isn't among the best ever. --Veronique 18:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not POV to say Pedro is one of the top pitchers in baseball history 

message: There's a bunch of redundancy in this article, such as two mentions of the 12-8 defeat of Cleveland.  I am spreading myself too thin to take on this collection of edits, but home someone else will.
--Matchups 02:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundancy 

message: It says early in the article along the lines of...He relies on guile now, but still can reach the mid 90's if needed. This is wrong. I'm a die hard met fan and love pedro, but the man cant throw that fast anymore...he can throw in the low 90's, but not above 91-92. I'm going to change this... -Dwslassls
:As I long-time Pedro fan (since Montreal), I have tried to follow him even after departing Boston, where I could see him daily. And in a game shown on ESPN just this year (much earlier in the year, April or May) he hit 94 in the early innings.
:While I fully realize he can no longer hit 97-98 that he used to be able to, and can also no longer hit the consistent 94-96 that he used to in his prime, he definately is able to reach back for a little extra in times of need (or, at least, was able to earlier this season... he has sustained injuries, which may have changed things recently). I will not make an changes to the article, as I have not seen him pitch in almost a month, but to anyone that does watch him pitch regularly, can anyone verify that he has managed to lose this ability altogether? Ubergenius 14:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  An exaggeration 

message: "Martinez finished his Red Sox career with a 117-37 record, the highest winning percentage any pitcher has had with any team in baseball history."
That is unlikely to be true; there must be guys who finished their career with e.g. a 1-0 record.  This needs a qualifier like "with over 10 wins" or whatever the right (relatively low) number is. BCC 20:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this is super old but I'm responding for future reference, the qualifier would either be minimum innings pitched or minimum games appeared in. Persistent Corvid (talk) 07:22, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs qualification 

message: The "top pitcher" discussion occurred on this page years ago; I've changed "game today" to "his era" to make it clearer.  The "wonderful season" remark is a little too gushy for Wikipedia standards.  The paragraph about Martinez's 17-K game in Yankee Stadium is entirely redundant, as a fuller version of the game appears elsewhere in the article. The "Gooden's heyday" reference is POV; maybe a cited "--- has said that"-style quote could make it includable.  The "prestigious MTM Award" and the "Boston County Spanish Speed Speaking Competition" appears to be imaginary. 208.120.6.206 (talk) 04:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: March 17 reversions

message: Do you remember little pedro, can we add him to the article?--208.102.189.190 (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little Pedro 

message: is there a better picture of him? one that's not from the side?MetFanNotYankee (talk) 08:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture 

message: In the Washington Post article, Boswell does not call it the best game ever pitched in Yankee stadium.  He writes "in what many call the best game ever pitched at Yankee Stadium."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.25.44.252 (talk) 00:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  misquote of Reference 15 

message: Does anyone else feel that the "Memorable Games" section, and the language used in it, reads too much like a fan site and not an encyclopedia? 67.181.76.194 (talk) 18:35, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: Mike Williams never actually hit Pedro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=59&v=ZDA85mcVSxU).  He attempted to on two consecutive pitches and missed both times.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.176.138.194 (talk) 07:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brawl Vs. Phillies