Talk:July 20

message: I put this page on needing copyediting because I've been staring at it so long it needs fresh sets of eyes to look it over.  PedanticallySpeaking 15:26, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)
:Good God - 62KB? This article is now too long to be useful to most people. The purpose of the day pages has never been to document everything that happened on that day, but to include the most notable events. Each section in this article badly needs to be summarized/abridged and the current detail moved to Events of July 20, Births on July 20, and Deaths on July 20 (the last two would be a bit redundant with :category:July 20 births and :category:July 20 deaths, but oh well). --mav
::I got it down to below 32K, but it still needs work. Kingturtle 03:24, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit 

message: I today created subpages to the article, two for events, one each for births and deaths.  I also restored the references section to the main page and placed it on each of the subpages.  None of them produce a message about the length of the article.
The statement was made that the page is "too long" and not useful.  I compiled this so that for every year for the past eighty years has at least one event.  Everyone is curious as to what happened on the day they were born and this enables them to find out at least one thing.  PedanticallySpeaking 18:07, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
*That is a very creative solution, but it can't remain. There is a specific format agreed upon (see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Days of the year), and subpages currently is not part of that format. I am going to revert the article, and invite you to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year to discuss solutions for July 20. Kingturtle 18:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Subpages

message: this article is up to 38k. we should really work to parse it down again. are we going to allow any event to be allowed? certainly this would cause problems. there should be some standards or guidelines. In Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year i have brought up this issue before. that discussion didn't go far. but i'd like to reintroduce the discussion. 
a list of criteria might include: Firsts, lasts, battles, precedents, truces, assassinations (and attempts), royal weddings, head of state resignations, verdicts?, passages of substantial legislation, terrorist events, milestones?, space exploration, UN Security Council decisions, major natural disasters, creation of new nations, unique scientific events (comets hitting Jupiter). and what else? Kingturtle 21:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  38k 

message: Benjamin Decoux (Nov. 8 1980-present) is a renowned gamer, movie/music critic and director.  He is most famous for his production "Neumann’s Payday" which he not only wrote and directed but also stared in as the lead role.  The short play received mixed reviews from the critics but was a big hit among patrons.  (added by anonymous editor)
:Odd, his name doesn't appear on Google.  Let's at least wait until he creates his own web page.  Rklawton 05:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Benjamin Decoux 

message: there is way too much minor info listed for this day. WillC 19:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unimportant 

message: It is interesting that the anniversary of the first moon landing is 20 July. That is, of course, only relevant to which side of the International Date Line you were on at the time.
In Australia for example, the actual day of the first moon landing was 21 July 1969. That is the day upon which thousands of Australians were gathering around televisions and radios to watch and listen to the first moon landing. Of course, in the USA, it was still 20 July 1969, so they have a different perspective of which date it occured. My mother has quite a firm view on this matter: the first moon landing took place on 21 July 1969, as she was giving birth to my brother at the time, in New South Wales, Australia.
So this brings the question, what is the baseline for dating events that take place in space?
For this event, why was a date relative to the USA's position used? Yes, it was their moon mission, but is that reason enough to use their relative date? Even the TV signal relay was picked up by a radio receiving station in Australia on 21 July 1969, I think because Australia was facing the moon at the time. So that's another reason - the USA was on the OTHER side of the Earth when the first moon landing took place, meaning that the moon was on Australia's side of the International dateline.
Anyway, just thought I would mention that, and ask the baseline question. Thanks!--203.10.224.60 06:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: UTC is probably the most sensible to go by, but the time and date from the launch location seems reasonable, as does that of the equivalent point on earth – i.e. if the moon was directly above China at the time, then the Chinese time would be another good choice. --xensyriaT 22:30, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, on second thoughts, I'm not so convinced by "where the moon was above"... This does still raise some interesting questions though. ‑‑xensyriaT 23:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Ok, I just made an edit that clearly explains both sides of this story.  There are some reliable sources/organizations that recognize the EDT/CDT date-time of July 20th, and there are other organizations that recognize the UTC/GMT date-time of July 21st as to the actual date that those first steps took place, and which day is the proper day to celebrate its anniversary.  The point made over at the article on July 21 is that our guidance is not to go by what we might think or feel, but rather what these reliable sources say.  Both articles now clearly explain the discrepancy, with reliable sources/authorities cited, namely the United Nations as well as the Guinness Book of World Records.  The NPOV answer for this case is for us to present both sides of this story clearly and concisely.  The current edit for both articles (20&21) now do that adequately.--Tdadamemd (talk) 01:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interstellar Date Line 

message: Conflict on date of birth.  July 20 listing has his DOB as July 20, 1940. But Tony Oliva article has it as July 20, 1038. If anyone in Minneapolis has his phone, please ask him to clarify. Tursiops (talk) 17:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Always go with the article.  That is where the sourced information will be.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 18:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tony Oliva 

message: Should the anniversary of the Cinema 16 Movie theatre massacre have its own entry in "on this day..."
This mass killing is very prolific. Not only because of the violent nature of such a high-profile mass killing but the fact that it happened so recently (exactly two years ago - as of this writing), merits an observance - even a small observance.
If there are reasons why this has NOT been given an  'on this day...' entry, I completely understand.
This talk page was created in the event of oversight.
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.171.134.17 (talk • contribs) 
:Does not meet notability requirements of WP:NDOY.  It's no different than any other mass shooting that are all too common here. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  05:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cinema 16 Shooting in Aurora, CO 

message: I recently reviewed and rejected the inclusion of Naseeruddin Shah, Indian actor from the list of births for July 20.  I did this on the basis that the actor's page opens: "Naseeruddin Shah (born 20 July 1949 or 16 August 1950[a]) is an Indian film and stage actor and director", indicating that his birthdate is not settled or is unknown.  If that is the situation then I do not see a compelling case to have him included on this page s definitively having a birthdate of July20 .  I have no intention of getting into an argument about this so will leave the review of the edit to another editor.  But would like to point out that if this edit is accepted then there appears to be no reason to stop another entry on August 16. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 04:01, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naseeruddin Shah, Indian actor 

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: He died on the 21st according to the link:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Beck
--JFCochin (talk) 21:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beck 

message: Under the "Observances and Holidays" section, July 20th is also observed as world FSHD day. So it should be added that World Facioscapulohumeral Muscular dystrophy (FSHD) Day is observed on this date. 2600:1009:B107:CCC3:CD17:AF70:4A4D:4253 (talk) 01:29, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  02:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: it doesn't have its own Wiki page and is not mentioned at the article on FSHD  If it was mentioned there, then you would need to provide a link here that is not Wiki.142.163.195.221 (talk) 00:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2020