Talk:Azd

message: It's not at all obvious that most of today's Lebanese Christians are of Ghassanid descent. They (mostly Maronites) consider themselves to be descendants of a mixture of pre-Arab Semitic peoples of the area who were Christianized (Arameans, Romanized remnants of the Phoenicians and others). Therefore I added a "citation needed" marker.
maronites are not phoenicians.  however i agree that there are no satisfactory source in the whole article, and 5 family history websites do not constitute valid sources  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.232.69.64 (talk) 04:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Most Lebanese Christians are not Ghassanid. They have Y-DNA haplogroups typical for the Levant, and different from Lebanese Christian Ghassanid claimants and Yemen. YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 09:22, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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The Azd or Al-Azd () is one of the largest Arab tribes, prior to the 2nd century, Azd settled in South Arabia, of whom part migrated to the north, after the breach of the Maʾrib dam in the 2 or 3rd century AD, most of the tribe left the area amd moved to other parts of Arabia.Historical Dictionary of the Bedouins -  Muhammad Suwaed‏ - Page 31The Bombay Quarterly Magazine and Review - Volume three - Page 422 The tradition of AZD migration finds support in the Geography of Claudius Ptolemy, which locates a tribe called the Kassanitai south of the Kinaidokolpitai and the river Baitios (probably the wādī Bisha).Rome in Egypt's Eastern Desert: Volume Two — Hélène Cuvigny — Page 403 Cuvigny, Hélène; Robin, Christian - "Des Kinaidokolpites dans un ostracon grec du désert oriental (Égypte) - Page 704–706The Origins of the Islamic State - Biladuri‏  - Page 32
The most important tribes of Azd: (Aus and Khazraj, Bariq, Ghassan, Khuza'a and Daws).Arabs in the Early Islamic Empire - Brian Ulrich‏ - Page 30Arabs in the Early Islamic Empire - Brian Ulrich‏ - Page 37
;Lineage of Azd (Father of the tribe)
In the genealogical system: al-Azd b. al-Ghawth b. Nabt b. Malik b. Zayd b. Kahlan b. Saba b. Yashjub b. Ya'rub b. Qahtan.Encyclopedia of Sahih Al-Bukhari - Muhammad-Bin-Isma`il Al-Bukhari‏ - Page 2988A History of the Arabs in the Sudan - H. A. MacMichael‏‏ -Page 199The History of al-Tabari - Vol. 39 - Page 93
Group of Azd from Bani Qahtan, the genealogists disagree about the pedigree of Qahțān [himself]. Some trace him back to Ismā'īl b. Ibrāhīm , saying that his [name] was Qahţăn b . al - Hamaysa ' b . Tayman b . Nabt b . Ismā'īl b. Ibrāhīm. Wahb ibn Munabbihالإيناس بعلم الأنساب - المغربي - ج١ - الصفحة 41.  and Hishām b. Muhammad al-Kalbi held this genealogy ( as true ). Hisham ibn al-Kalbi quoted his father as saying that he had been contemporaneous with [older] scholars and genealogists who traced Qahțān's pedigree in this way. Other [genealogists] argue that the [name] was Qahţăn b. Faligh b. 'Abir b. Shalakh.The History of al-Tabari  - Vol. 39 - Page 130
In genealogical poetry by Hassan Ibn Thabit Al-Azdi mentioned Azd b. Ghawth b. Zayd (Nabt) b. Malik b. Zayd b. Kahlan  b. Saba'The History of al-Tabari  - Vol.4 - Page 132(Arabic: الأزد بن الغَوثِ بنِ زَيدِ بنِ بن مالك بن زيد بن كهلان ) in his poem while complimenting his ancestors gradually: ديوان حسان بن ثابت الأنصاري - حسان  - الصفحة 182. 
مَن يَكُ عَنّا مَعشَرَ الأَسدِ سائِلاً
 فَنَحنُ بَنو الغَوثِ بنِ زَيدِ بنِ مالِكِ
لِزَيدِ اِبنِ كَهلانَ الَّذي نالَ عِزُّهُ
 قَديماً ذَرارِيَّ النُجومِ الشَوابِكِ
Another poem by Hasan ibn Thabit:
وَنَحنُ أُناسٌ أَصلُنا الأَزدُ مِنهُمُ
 نُضاراً نَبَتنا في الفُروعِ النَواضِرِ
وَنَحنُ بَنو الغَوثِ بنِ نَبتِ بنِ مالِكٍ
 بنِ زَيدِ بنِ كَهلانَ وَأَهلُ المَفاخِرِ
يَمانونَ تَدعونا سَبا فَنُجيبَها
 إِلى الجَوهَرِ المَكنونِ خَيرِ الجَواهِرِ
However, there is much poetry falsely attributed to Hassan b thabit, and the fact these lines are so unmoored from authorship suggests they may have been written much later.Arabs in the Early Islamic Empire -  Ulrich Brian Ulrich‏ - Page 32
looks to all source, the article now with out really source. I dont know, why back the page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.49.36.59 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi 94.49.36.59. You're right that the article is currently in a very poor state. However, it's not clear from your comment why your proposed changes would be better than the current revision. In particular, they appear to be equally poorly sourced, and even worse than the current revision when it comes to clarity. It would be better if someone who masters English and has access to reliable sources would take a look at this article. Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 18:47, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi again 94.49.36.59. It appears that already in November 2020 there were a lot of disruptive edits to this article, so I restored the 23 October 2020‎ revision, which looks substantially different from the one you objected to ( now vs  before). How does it look now? ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 19:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed changes to the article