Talk:Roger the Negotiator

message: The first of many, I hope.  I already reworked the Winter Night Phantom page a good deal.  I freely admit this is probably way too long, so if someone wants to take a shot at editing it down some, they're welcome to, but please don't butcher it.  -CWD 04:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary

message: Blatant plagiarism--although the article has been expanded for wikipedia, sections have been lifted whole cloth from the original synopsis, right down to the typos. This is extremely unfair to the Save Big O members who worked their butts off to do the synopses. Permission is formally denied by the owner of the site, namely this editor, that the article was copied from.
Zola 07:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I assure you I have never even looked at the episode summary on Save Big O before.  Given that both pages are summaries of the same information, there are bound to be similarities, but nothing was lifted or copied.  You think you're the only one who can write a coherent summary of an episode?  Reverted. -CWD 13:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Parts of your summary have been lifted verbatim from ours, the exact phrasing and even some of the same spelling mistakes. Do not revert this again, follow the procedure in the box. 
Zola 15:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Show me these parts "lifted verbatim."  Put your summary in a version of the page so everyone can use the comparison feature to see what's the same and what's different.  There are going to be similarities because they're both scene-by-scene recaps of the same episode, but I can't find a single line that's precisely the same aside from diologue quotes.  The procedure in the box...would that be the box that's since been removed by another editor? -CWD 16:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The editor removed the box but did not restore the article because the editor agreed it was in violation. The second editor verified this immediately as well and as you can see, your article was not restored. Write your own synopsis in your own words and there will be no more complaints, any more than there were complaints about the other synopses that are done.Zola 16:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks to me like two different people have edited this besides you and me. According to what I can tell from their user pages (and correct me if I'm wrong), only one of them is Wikipedia staff and he removed your copyvio box, just like the other person who edited it did.  I'm not surprised they didn't restore my version since they can see there's still a dispute over it here.  My summary is written in my words and I defy you to prove that it isn't. What am I supposed to do, make up stuff about winged clowns attacking Paradigm City to make sure it's sufficiently distinct from your summary?  Detailed blow-by-blow descriptions of the same events will inevitably resemble each other. The last time I recall looking at your page was a couple of years ago, and I never even glanced at the episode summaries. I don't even know if you had them up then.  Put your version of the summary in an edit of the page, save it, revert back to the blank page in the mean time, and everyone can use the comparison to see what's the same and what's different. -CWD 16:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: This case has been refered to the informal mediation cabal.  -CWD 16:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is in violation of copyright

message: Upon further reflection, I've decided this isn't worth the time to me.  So you win: There'll be no episode summary from me, nor will there be any others, though I had planned to eventually do the whole series.  Maybe you'll take virtual pen in hand to make one?  I doubt it.  In fact, I won't edit any Big O-related pages.  You can have them as your personal feifdom to prosper or rot for all I care, assuming nobody else has the patience to fight with you.  I may not edit any wikipedia pages anymore at all.  Editing anime pages on Wikipedia is something I do for enjoyment and to contribute to the fan community.  There's no enjoyment in a futile struggle to make you see reason, and there's no point in trying to contribute when everything you work for can be wiped out by self-centered bullies in the blink of an eye and you get called a thief and a liar and you just have to take it.  
In closing, I will reiterate once more that I copied NOTHING from your episode summary.  I had never seen it before.  Any similarities between the two can be attributed to the fact that they both cover the same material in the same fashion.  We have both a set of eyes and a set of ears to recieve information and brains to process that information and if we're both asked to faithfully recount a certain set of information it's not surprising that we process it the same way.  I already know there's no point in trying to convince you of that, though.  No matter.  I know the truth, my conscience is clear.  I have that, and I gain nothing by wasting further time and effort on this struggle.  Best of luck to you. -CWD 23:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this mean you'll abandon the mediation you requested earlier, CWD? Jsw663 12:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: You win

message: For this page, I pasted the summary prepared by Silent Wind of Doom in the old List of Big O episodes.--Nohansen 02:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Summary