Talk:Nyingma

message: Eequor - Why did you removed the Category:Buddhism link? Csbodine 21:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Buddhism 

message: The year of origin in the document was 817 which can't be correct, however I can't find an exact date so it's now around 760, because the lower limit is 755, the year Trisong Detsen became King, and the upper limit is 767, because Padmasambhava's monastry is known to exist in that year. If somebody knows a more correct year, please feel free to change the document. KittenKlub 12:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By what source is Padmasambhava's monastery known to exist in 767?—Nat Krause(Talk!) 01:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year origin Nyingma 

message: I have removed Khenpo Choga's name from this list because obviously
this list is made up of the most famous teachers, and public figures like Khyentse Norbu. Nothing against Khenpo Choga, but not in one line with the great masters, please. Would you agree? Menmo 15:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of teachers 

message: This entry starts with "The structure of tantric teachings of Nyingma is significant aside from the terma-tradition." Could anybody explain what this is to mean? Menmo 19:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tantric system 

message: While I think I understand the gist of what B9 meant, this terminology is to the best of my knowledge not standard (and if it is, cite it) and does not serve the interest of clarity, particularly to the non-specialist. Zero sharp 05:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This editor has been making cryptically worded changes to a number of articles. GlassFET 16:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'elementally encoded'

message: I just bring this issue for an open discussion, as it is contradicted with the modern day's practice - Good Documenation Practice or GDP.
I myself have encountered several incidents which were related to oral instructions and which have never been reliable to me recently.  Since the detailed stories will be embarrassing some senior officials, they will not be revealed here.  I believe that I'm not the only person who are experienced these situations.
To me, any oral teachings can only be used as advice but not as authentic teaching materials, unless they have been electronically recorded and the recording devices or recorded materials have been properly validated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.21.40.253 (talk) 04:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The oral lineage is the ka-ma lineage. "The kama lineage is the source of Nyingma tradition" and "kama is the basis of terma". These quotes are from Palden Sherab, whom Penor Rinpoche considered the most learned living Nyingma scholar . I'll look for an easier direct link. Pasdecomplot (talk) 20:41, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is oral transmission or oral linage a cult or truely authentic....??? 

message: For a page that describes a profound philosphy in buddhism, the wiki page should be able to say something besides a string of teachers, jargon with no descriptions, shrines, and all the other meaningless words.
This is a philosophy capable of changing the world.  It's more than a string of words.  An outsider to Buddhism should be able to approach this philosophy and actually learn something.  Give examples.  Tell a story.  Give a little teaching here for us plebes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.182.1.4 (talk) 16:10, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  100% jargon, 0% wisdom 

message: This totally disputes the notion that there was Chan influence on the Nyingma.  
http://vajranatha.com/teaching/DzogchenChinese.htmThigle (talk) 20:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He disputes Evans-Wentz's assertions, but Evans-Wentz is way out of date anyway, as his convoluted quote reflects. There has been a lot of scholarship done on the subject since 1954. In any case, Vajranatha disputes Evans-Wentz saying that Dzogchen doctrine was influenced by Chinese scholastic Yogacara doctrine, which is a rather different matter than saying Dzogchen practice was influenced by Chan practice.Sylvain1972 (talk) 18:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this sentence?  And I quote "Except for a brief flirtation with Ch'an in the early days of Buddhism in Tibet in the eighth century, the Tibetans exhibited almost no interest at all in Chinese Buddhism, except for translating a few Sutras from Chinese for which they did not possess Indian originals."  Thigle (talk) 19:39, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an overstatement on his part. The more historians learn about it, the more complex the situation is revealed to be. See  for starters. There is a lot of interesting stuff there about Chinese-Tibetan interactions.Sylvain1972 (talk) 01:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is of course the book Dzogchen and Zen by Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche (who besides being a Buddhist teacher was previously quite a respected academic Tibetan historian). There is also some evidence from the Dunhuang manuscript collection. And of course Vairotsana stayed in China. Also try to find out about the Dzogchen tradition of Aro Yeshe  Jungne who held both Indian and Chinese transmissions  of sems-sde teachings. Other than these things the influences were perhaps not all that great - but they certainly existed. One day there may be some surprises - back in 1974 my own teacher Khunnu Rinpoche told me that there was a Dzogchen tradition still extant in India and that he had translated for some Indian followers of this tradition when he was in Kham. However you will not find any scholar who has ever mentioned this, so we can not say anything about it in Wikipedia. Chris Fynn (talk) 20:23, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chan influence on the Nyingma is not True 

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message: Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 01:56, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea what this means. Ogress 03:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Myth OR for VG  Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 03:53, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS. We talk on the talk page, not utter single syllables. Ogress 03:57, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Who puts comments in when removing content? Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 04:14, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: ZP what u no.VictoriaGraysonTalk 04:20, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks VG, I no see your edit comments supporting a valid removal.  Please now correct yourself. Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 14:11, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you keep inserting Jigme Lingpa and Longchen Nyingthig?  There is nothing special about this late terma.VictoriaGraysonTalk 02:06, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  What sources say ... "nothing special"?  Google scholar comes up with 81  specifically spelled results.  It's probably the most internationally translated cycle by Amazon rankings. Why wouldn't you give it weight? Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 04:40, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Jigme Lingpa is a late figure.  There is nothing fundamentally new about Longchen Nyingthig.VictoriaGraysonTalk 13:06, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see nothing in this, so what's your point? Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 02:21, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It is undue to mention him.VictoriaGraysonTalk 02:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yet another unsupported claim VG, why do you say this?  Listen to Ann Carolyn Klein's version. Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 14:34, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Heart essence remains a living tradition, Jigme Lingpa incarnated in Adzome Rinpoche made the famous text into a condensed audio CD version.  Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 14:45, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There are countless living terma traditions.  There is nothing special about Longchen Nyingthig.VictoriaGraysonTalk 19:49, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please, then do nothing about it, except of course [blank].  Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 04:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

text: The Longchen Nyingthig is considered very special by masters and scholars, VictoriaGrayson. Nyingma is a living tradition, 'late figures' are also important.  is correct. Pasdecomplot (talk) 20:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Provoked 

message: Hi. 
* Sourced the dates of the monasteries from their Wikipedia pages, but Palri doesn't have a page and I haven't found a date for the original construction. Likewise Dorje Drak' s date is entered as a relationship to it's founder's lifespan (14th c., relocated 1632)
* While I was there, I corrected the text which stated Shechen is (present tense) in Tibet, since it was destroyed then rebuilt in Nepal.
* Also Shechen Rabjam Rinpoche doesn't have a page, nor the 4th Katok Rinpoche. Both are notable for lots of reasons, including being asked to serve or actually serving as head of Nyingma school. Have there already been discussions on nominating them for pages? (This could be a separate discussion topic.) Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 16:01, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting to see during research that numerous travel guides to Tibet were listing the same monasteries-with seemingly identical text. Kudos to the section's author @ it seems! Pasdecomplot (talk) 16:10, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Added date of 1571 to Palri/Pelri; and 1610 is the rigpawiki date for Dorje Drak, but waiting on CON for founder - sources and book RS differ. Pasdecomplot (talk) 13:33, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added dates to the "Six Mother Monasteries" 

message: Mass deletes by Skyerise
It appears, to me, to be some kind of misplaced territorial war. The edits you then decided were "good" you re-added, thankfully, but other just as "good" edits were not re-added.
I must correct you about these "good" edits :
Yogins/yoginis are not always Ngakmapas. Ngakmapas are necessarily vow holders, while yogis and yoginis are not necessarily vow holders, and are often just laypeople that are serious practicioners.
The language concerning "Political Power" and the Nyingma school is not sourced, and reads to me as opinion with a definite political agenda. That's why I edited it. Its language completely misunderstands Tibet's history. The "good" edits, in contrast, are based on historical facts - read Tibet's history: Throughout history its Kagyu/Sakya/Gelug spiritual leaders were also spiritual leaders of their school and secular/political leaders of the country in specific eras. They were simultaneously both spiritual and secular leaders, not just "political power" obsessives - which is a point the language wholly fails to embrace. And, the Nyingma school never vied for these leadership roles, and remains studiously independent and non-political - that is its nature. Thus, language that pushes the opinion that the Nyingma school was/is somehow secretly obsessed about political power is not at all supported by historical fact nor by modern practices.
"...at the Nyingma Monlam..." is much more specific and more correct than "...when necessary..."
What else?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.146.218.84 (talk) 11:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Re "vow-holders" - the vows referred to are the samayas given during any empowerment. Any practitioner who has received empowerment but does not hold monastic vows is ngagmapa, this includes yogins and yoginis, many of whom are also householders. There is really no distinction there. Please create an account so you can be addressed using something other than IP addresses, since you likely use multiple IPs. Skyerise (talk) 12:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

text: The political section was completely unsourced; when you make changes to either sourced or unsourced material you must provide citations to support your changes. I have completely removed the section. Per WP:BURDEN, if you restore it you must cite it. Skyerise (talk) 12:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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