Talk:Adobe Dreamweaver

message: I am perhaps being pedantic, but although Adobe bought over Macromedia, all programs which were originally developed by Macromedia retained the name "Macromedia ..." - to change this article's page to Adobe Dreamweaver is incorrect. I suggest a revert back. Dannerz
:I agree. The current version (8) is still called 'Macromedia Dreamweaver'. If you go out and purchase a copy of it, it still says "Macromedia Dreamweaver", not "Adobe Dreamweaver". In the Adobe Store it is also still called "Macromedia Dreamweaver"  When the next version is released, if it is called "Adobe Dreamweaver", then the title of the article can be changed. 131.230.72.101 16:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like Adobe is renaming thier products starting with Adobe Creative Suite 3.  The some of the old Macromedia products that are being kept, including Dreamweaver, will carry the Adobe name starting with the CS3 version.  After the new products are officially released, we should look in to changing this an other Adobe product pages to match the new naming scheme.--Janus657 18:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Adobe

message: I think we should put a disambiguation page for "Dreamweaver", or at least but a notice at the top. There's a "Dream Weaver (song)" and and article about "Dream Weavers", a band. 24.42.21.58 18:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it. ¦ Reisio 20:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've long suspected the program was named after the song - can anyone confirm or deny? Lee M 03:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: ::i feel that the fact that dw has addressed this issue is worth mentioning. this needs to be here or in the comparison chart of all web/html editors. its an important feature that dreamweaver has been the first to include(?). the feature is a big help to non coders who need to add multymedia to their page, and don't know how to use the javascript workaround.:: chaitanyak 05:41, 06 september 2006 (UTC)
I personally don't see what this has to do with Dreamweaver at all and not instead internet explorer.  it doesn't belong on the page as it has nothing to do with dreamweaver.  Donatj 04:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Click to activate and use this control" Issue 

message: "Dreamweaver (...) currently holds approximately 80% of the HTML editor market."
I highly doubt that. Where are your sources? --Peter Eisenburger 18:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This might be true if you only count the editors that people actually pay for. Most people use free editors this is one of the few people are willing to pay money for. So it might hold *0% of the market but that doesn't mean 80% designers are using it. Still needs a source. 131.91.92.184 (talk) 14:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Market share 

message: Is the Wine mention really necessary? I use Wine to run Adobe products, but the point is that Wine is developed to run Windows programs non-native to *nix on *nix. Mentioning on every single page about a software product, excepting those that run on *nix, that it can be emulated, is unnecessary. Dylan 02:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AOL, that's redundant. There's plenty of virutalisation techniques and emulation software that can run it on platforms other than it was intended for. Jerazol 05:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wine and Unix mention? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dreamweaver cs3.png

message: I remember the most publicized feature of the original Dreamweaver was its ability to preserve manual html (it didn't change any part of the html unless you specifically edited it). It was called "round-trip" editing or something like that, and it was the first one to use it (GoLive copied it afterwards, I think), shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere in the article? IMO it's what's missing in a lot of the open-source alternatives. 200.106.69.146 06:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manual Code Preservation 

message: The page mentions that the middle eastern versions are available from WinSoft; while this may be true, is it relevant at all?  Ms331 (talk) 11:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WinSoft 

message: This article is completely unsourced with the exception of a reference for the statement that Middle Eastern language versions are available from WinSoft.
Come on. There are so many factual statements in this article without a shred of sourcing or references to check the facts that adding  tags to every one would make the article unreadable.
For example, here are some of the unsourced facts, not by any means a complete list:
:* Dreamweaver was originally created by Macromedia
:* Dreamweaver is now owned by Adobe Systems
:* Adobe Systems acquired Macromedia in 2005
:* Recent versions have incorporated support for web technologies ...
::* CSS
::* JavaScript
::* ASP.NET
::* ColdFusion
::* JavaServer Pages
::* PHP
:* Dreamweaver can hide the details of pages' HTML code from the user, making it possible for non-coders to create web pages and sites
:* A professional criticism of this approach is that it produces HTML pages whose file size and amount of HTML code is much larger than they should be
:* The application makes it very easy to create table-based layouts
:* some web site developers have criticized Dreamweaver in the past for producing code that often does not comply with W3C standards
:* ... though this has improved considerably in recent versions
:* Dreamweaver 8.0 ... performed poorly on the Acid2 Test, developed by the Web Standards Project
:* Macromedia has increased the support for CSS and other ways to lay out a page without tables in later versions of the application, with the ability to convert tables to layers and vice versa
:* Dreamweaver allows users to preview websites in many browsers, provided that they are installed on their computer
:* It also has some site management tools, such as the ability to find and replace lines of text or code by whatever parameters specified across the entire site, and a templatization feature for creating multiple pages with similar structures
:* The behaviors panel also enables use of basic JavaScript without any coding knowledge
:* As of version 6, Dreamweaver supports syntax highlighting for the following languages out of the box
:* The easiest way to build a professional website using Dreamweaver software is by using the Layout functions, it is very easy to organize the web page just using the Layout option provided by Dreamweaver
And on and on and on. Sources are needed that list the features available in Dreamweaver. I could easily add a sentence saying it is backwards-compatible with Aldus PageMaker and there would be no way to confirm or deny the statement. (Yes, I know they're not similar products and would never have been compatible, would everyone reading this article know that? Presumably not, as they're consulting an encyclopedia to gain information about the software.)
Likewise, sources for the praise and criticism of the software are critical to the verifiability of the article.
I just came looking for info about the software and didn't find the information I wanted. I'm not staying to find the missing sources, so don't respond with "go ahead", "have at it", or other such platitudes. If you want the article to be included in Wikipedia, it has to be sourced. Unsourced material may be removed; it's the obligation of the author to source it, not the reader.75.58.86.160 (talk) 08:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: What does it mean to say it's no longer supported.  I have the MX 2004 version and it still works just fine. M. Frederick (talk) 19:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not "supported"? 

message: Does anyone feel that the criticisms of DW's HTML-hiding are out of place in the features section? Many other software and technology entries have a separate "Criticisms" section near the bottom of the page, and perhaps this entry could benefit from that as well. Also, most criticism sections are generally well cited, to prevent the editor from appearing to be ranting about the technology.
I am mostly a reader of Wikipedia, and not much of an editor (I don't even have an account, as you can see) but this just seemed off compared to most other similar entries. 99.28.108.83 (talk) 08:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms in Features section 

message: the application makes it very easy to create PRON table-based layouts. I'm confident PRON doesn't mean here what it usually means, but what does it mean? Probably not Jaruzelski's fan club either.--87.162.3.103 (talk) 21:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  PRON? 

message: Hi!
There's a discussion regarding disambiguation at Talk:Dreamweaver#Dreamweaver and disambiguation which may be of interest.
Cheers, TFOWRpropaganda 18:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dreamweaver and disambiguation 

message: This article really needs a criticism section. Dreamweaver is an extremely rigid, complicated and painful application to learn. It is really the Windows of the design world, everyone is stuck with it due to lack of a major competitor. Given that this is Wikipedia and not a PR page for Dreamweaver, there really should be a criticism section to tell the whole story about Dreamweaver.
98.245.170.157 (talk) 00:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you guys please clarify what you meant by "rigid"? I learned on DreamWeaver when I took Web Design in 10th Grade (the current version at the time was DreamWeaver 8), and I must say that I was very rarely frustrated by it. It's not like FrontPage (now discontinued), which had no Graphic Interface View and forced you to design a site exclusively by working directly in the HTML source code. Like most HTML editor applications currently developed and sold, DreamWeaver does have a Graphic Interface View for those of us not comfortable working in the actual source code. So, what does "rigid" mean in this context? Any criticism in the Article should be very clear. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 02:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs a Criticism Section

message: Provider  	Major version	Minor update/alternative name	Release date     	Notes
Macromedia	1.0          	1.0                          	December 1997    	First version. Mac OS only.
Macromedia	1.0          	1.2                          	March 1998       	First Windows version.
Macromedia	2.0          	2.0                          	December 1998    	
Macromedia	3.0          	3.0                          	December 1999    	
Macromedia	3.0          	UltraDev 1.0                 	June 1999        	
Macromedia	4.0          	4.0                          	December 2000    	
Macromedia	4.0          	UltraDev 4.0                 	December 2000    	
Macromedia	6.0          	MX                           	29 May 2002      	
Macromedia	7.0          	MX 2004                      	10 September 2003	
Macromedia	8.0          	8.0                          	13 September 2005	Last Macromedia version.
Adobe     	9.0          	CS3                          	16 April 2007    	Replaces Adobe GoLive in Creative Suite.
Adobe     	10.0         	CS4                          	23 September 2008	
Adobe     	11.0         	CS5                          	12 April 2010    	
Adobe     	11.5         	CS5.5                        	12 April 2011    	Supports HTML5.
          	12.0         	CS6                          	21 April 2012    	
Do you see that extra cell in the lower left that needs to be merged with the cell that says Adobe? How do we make that happen? The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 11:51, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do we fix the version history table from here? 

message: Let's face it. The Green and Yellow for current and supported versions, respectively, are much more distinct colors than the 2 shades of green that this Article uses now. I can still see the difference quite well, but not everyone has my color vision (I'm one of the few males who can pass the Fruit Basket Test), and in a color code with relatively few values it's just better aesthetically to make the colors we choose as distinct as possible. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 01:54, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we please bring back the old color code in Version History, the one the [[Firefox]] Article's table is modeled after still? 

message: Provider     	Major version	Minor update/alternative name	Release date         	Notes                                   	
Macromedia   	rowspan="2"  	1.0                          	December 1997        	First version. Mac OS only.             	
Macromedia   	1.2          	March 1998                   	First Windows version	                                        	
Macromedia   	             	2.0                          	December 1998        	                                        	
Macromedia   	rowspan="2"  	3.0                          	December 1999        	                                        	
Macromedia   	UltraDev 1.0 	June 1999                    	                     	                                        	
Macromedia   	rowspan="2"  	4.0                          	December 2000        	                                        	
Macromedia   	UltraDev 4.0 	December 2000                	                     	                                        	
Macromedia   	             	MX                           	29 May 2002          	                                        	
Macromedia   	             	MX 2004                      	10 September 2003    	                                        	
Macromedia   	             	8.0                          	13 September 2005    	Last Macromedia version.                	
Adobe Systems	             	CS3                          	16 April 2007        	Replaces Adobe GoLive in Creative Suite.	
Adobe Systems	             	CS4                          	23 September 2008    	                                        	
Adobe Systems	             	CS5                          	12 April 2010        	                                        	
Adobe Systems	             	CS5.5                        	12 April 2011        	Supports HTML5.                         	
Adobe Systems	             	CS6                          	21 April 2012        	                                        	
:A. How do we get rid of the empty pseudo-column on the extreme right? 
:B. How do we change the Green in the color code to a more vivid shade of Green? 
:I would appreciate any and all help with this. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 23:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Again with issues in Version History Table 

message: NOTE: The following has been done: version 15 was added by me with my update for version 17.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawnvawn (talk • contribs) 23:19, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adobe 2014.1 is actually v.15 

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message: * I just modified the table of Dreamweaver versions to include v.19 which was recently released with the CC 2019 updates. I apologize if I stepped on the toes of Gepree whose update note is: "Updated latest version to 19.0.0.11193" - but I didn't see v.19 on the updated page, therefore I added a row for v.19 CC 2019.
* Also, I cannot find information at the Adobe site as to which versions of Dreamweaver they still support. If you are able to find that information, please change the bgcolor of the cells appropriately.
Thanks, all. Dan Dawnvawn (talk) 01:24, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version number updated; also, what older versions are still supported? 

message: Just wanted to append to this discussion of versions. I have updated the table to include the latest major release, as of the time of this writing. However, I could only find the month of the release but not the exact date. So, I put Oct 31, 2020 for the time being. If anyone can find out the date, plus update the item.
* Also, I wanted to corroborate what Dawnvawn noted above. I believe the supported versions needs to be revised. If I am not mistaken, I believe Dreamweaver CS6 is no longer supported. But I didn't want to make any changes since I couldn't confirm it. So, if anyone has some extra time to dig up that information, that would be appreciated!
NazmusLabs (A small part of a bigger movement to better the world!) (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date for Dreamweaver 21.0