Talk:Worldwide LaRouche Youth Movement/Archive 1

message: I have been to several Larouche meetings and I find it very interesting that the Larouche Movement advocates that we non-members are conditioned by fear (especially baby boomers) not to join their fight when on the contrary they use nothing but catastrophic speculations as recruitment. Larouche has been propagating perpetual nuclear warfare and the collapse of the economy for decades. I have personally been told that I would work at Starbucks after my degree (I have a well paying successful job today), the economy will collapse within a year (this was told to me a few years ago), and I was shown pictures of soldiers being hanged referring personally to my faith if I had not joined their fight to stop it. 
You see, by joining this movement, members take a leap over all their earthly problems by being placed in purposeful positions to save the world and receive immortality of the soul in return. Some depressed kids are succeptible to that fantasy world. The lonely recruits receive brotherhood; the ones who have failed in life are given intellectual reverence surmounting any non-larouchie; perfect opiate receptor! Many of these recruits come into the movement as empty slates to be filled up with Larouche tactics, this is why the Larouche "YOUTH" Movement has been the biggest sector in their existence. This is also a reason Larouche recruiters blatantly challenge their contacts not to listen to their parents, professors, or any adults with the explanation that they have become forever impudent by fear through degenerate cultures that us kids still have a chance to overcome. 
1) They believe in aristocracy, as their beloved, Plato does. It's interesting how their cause is to invest in the potential of every single human mind when their political system would be setup to discount and make decisions for the non-aristocrats, which would be us underlings. They are so innocent that they do not know they are studying aristocracy, nor have most of them realized in their 'intellectual discovery' of God that Plato is the christian philosophy. Larouche is very religious.. 
2) They want you to drop out of school because classes are setup in a 1-way pedagogical channel between teacher, books and students, rather than, an open, non-authoritative channel where everyone can facilitate the exchange of diverse ideas. I find this most interesting when i was accused of being a British operative in my attempt to exchange the ideas of philosophers and economic theories they were never exposed to. During a meeting my questions were brushed off and not answered, the speaker called them ‘academic’. The Larouche Movement is so organized that they have already conditioned the new recruits to negate any wake-up theories or opposing ones to be that of British conspiracy against mankind. In conclusion, this is no place to exchange ideas as they preach it is, it’s exchanging Larouche ideas for recruitment only. 
3) Larouche writes thousands of pessimistic speculations and when one inevitably hits, he is plumed to be always right as the other forecasts are forgotten. The speculations that are forgotten are thrown under the umbrella of economic collapse and perpetual warfare with only the future to hold the truth. Just read Larouche writings, he tells you that he is the ONLY ONE in the WORLD who can save us from these disasters. His intent and cause seem great, but what does his character tell you about the underpinnings; his Will to Impose himself on others? It is so blatant that even the purblind can see the egotistical style in his writings, and another thing, this is called the "LAROUCHE" Movement. 
4) Larouche recruiters are braggarts with the learned skill to make a dreg's blood boil. They insult your sensual way of living opposed to the thinkers, the ones who spend their time developing their minds in the movement. If the Larouchie’s are our intellectual saviors of a new renaissance; well how come none of the members ever made an invention or real impact? They really can use some invention to boost their popularity and finances. The reason this has not occurred is a great irony if you believe in them, but nothing short of shame if you do not. You see, these members are not self thinkers, they are followers, they study only Larouche and even with that knowledge they are too conditioned for Larouche to make new inferences.   
All this studying and organizing only embeds the shackles on their minds. It is very unfortunate, because these members truly become psychologically stuck in the movement. It is very hard for one to admit to the Self that all these years were a waist of time and they must now step back to the miserable status of earthly life they left off at. This, accompanied with the fact that these members breathe Larouche 24/7, is why they will and are stuck beyond all fathomable realizations of the world.  23:29, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My first hand dissapointing experience with the movement == == 

message: I challenge anyone that truly takes his/her mind seriously, to actually READ the recent writings of Lyndon LaRouche, especially the new book, Earth's Next Fifty years, and then re-read the majority of this insane Encyclopedia. The problem with an editable reference guide in an epoch of history like ours, is that the majority of popularly accepted beliefs are totally wrong. Take for example the case of Free Trade, or Liberal Art. Truth itself is compromised for fear that someone's toes may get stepped on, because their own personal fantasy may be challenged by lawful processes, such as the breakdown of the monetary system. Reality will check the fanaticism, just as the Great Depression put an end to the Elmer Gantry tent revivals...God wasn't gonna come to pay the rent.
Wake up people! You are living on a plantation. The "Massa" is popular opinion, and George Bush is the whip. What you must see is the marionette, George Schultz. Who is this guy? What was his role under Nixon? Who are the Vulcans? The Chicago boys? The Synarchist International? Who is running the central banking systems that now have more power than the true governments of the world? This, as FDR stated so correctly, is Fascism; when the private sector becomes more powerful than governments, you have the conditions for global empire through free trade.
What is needed for the world and ourselves is a reversal and rejection of what got us here, and revival of what has saved this nation in all times of maximum danger. Let us return to governments based on the welfare of it's citizenry, their future, and the benefit of other nations.
Get with it, or civilization doesn't have a chance. Do the work!
_travis lee smith.
watch this: 
high speed 300k stream
http://www.larouchepub.com/eirtoc/confpres/2005/pres_day/session_4_en_vid_hi.asx
 
low speed stream
http://www.larouchepub.com/eirtoc/confpres/2005/pres_day/session_4_en_vid.asx
:Thanks for sharing, Mr. Smith. Here's a link to the transcript, in case anyone is interested but doesn't want to sit through a long lecture about how LaRouche has saved the world.  It's really quite interesting.  Here's an excerpt:
::The United States, again, because of something embedded in its history, in its character, must again take the leadership, and prevent this crisis from going to its full extent.
::And I'm in the center of it. I have to keep pushing: Because I have the knowledge, the understanding, to do what needs to be done. I have lived my life—as I can say, looking backwards—I have lived my life for these days, these older days in my existence. This, in future history, will be acknowledged as the immortal purpose of my life: To save civilization. To provide a kind of leadership which can not be found, an ingredient of leadership anywhere on this planet, except in me. I have to do it.
:It's a pity that there's nobody else who can save us. I hope Mr. LaRouche has a long life!  Cheers, -Willmcw 05:30, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
:Wowza!!!  I have no idea who/what LaRouche is (I was just checking Recent Changes), but Mr. Smith just made major negative progress for his view of him/her/it. If he's agin' it, I'm for it, and vice versa. BTW, what is "Liberal Art"? (I've heard of "the liberal arts", but not this.) BradGad (Talk) 05:36, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I used this amazing resource we have here (I call it "WikiPedia") to refresh my memory. I *do* know who LaRouche is, and have for some time (I was coming at it out of context). If his rhetoric were not so off-putting, Mr. Smith would have found a fellow traveller in me. I take back my "If he's agin' it, I'm for it" comment. But -- trying to keep this about the article, not the topic of the article -- I do think Mr. Smith's rhetoric is counter-productive and contrary to WikiPedia's guidelines on the purposes of the Talk pages. I hope the level heads can intervene and keep this article on track. BradGad (Talk) 05:49, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's easy to be stupid, but hard to be historic... 

message: since this all seems to be bitching and complaints and gossip, I added a non-bitching section. I have met the German party. They are exposing Felix Rohatyn as a Nazi. It seems this is an international exposure. Why is there a nazi behind the Democratic party? Is the USA going facist?
--Ibykus prometheus 18:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: non-criticism section

message: Recently a group of people from the LYM came to my campus and set themselves up near a major entrance.  One of them grabbed my attention, and foisted on me a copy of a newspaper produced by the LYM.  The headline was "Climate Change Fraud".  Interested, I asked him a few questions, and discovered that what the article was about was about how global warming was not caused by people but by the sun.  Apparently the thesis was that the sun has increased in output by a factor of 2 over the last century, due to magnetic cycles and fluxes and language I could not understand, despite my sound knowledge of undergraduate physics.  I have noticed that your article on the LYM does not seem to have much mention of this publication or, in particular, of this alternative viewpoint to the cause of global warming, which, interestingly, is mentioned as one of the "climate change myths" in the most recent edition of the New Scientist. Perhaps something could be added to this article mentioning this ongoing campaign of theirs.  ConfusedGremlin 02:56, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like we need to add a bit more about the subject's current focus on the "climate change fraud" issue.  ·:·Will Beback  ·:· 22:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added something. --Mr Keck 20:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Climate Change Fraud" 

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