Talk:Flamboyant

message: if looking for the cuttlefish its at Pfeffer's Flamboyant Cuttlefish
:Already on disamb page.  -- Banjeboi 11:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Pfeffer's Flamboyant Cuttlefish]]

message: "Flamboyant" being simply an adjective, isn't the better title Flamboyant Gothic, with "architectural style" being understood?--Wetman (talk) 03:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No answer. Any problem if I move the article?--Wetman (talk) 06:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Flamboyant (architecture)?  -- Banjeboi 10:39, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, about the way Modern (architecture) would seem, no? That would require a piped link at every single mention.--Wetman (talk) 14:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Is Flamboyant Gothic what this is called in the architechure world? The other main question is where would most of our readers look to find this information?  -- Banjeboi 14:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also "Flamboyant style", about equally common, i'd say, though more ambiguous. i'm not sure i see the need to move it - there's little else on the disam page. We have Manueline etc. Johnbod (talk) 15:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I would like the main Flamboyant to be the disam age with the 4-5 main related linked here and a wikt link. From what your stating it would seem Flamboyant Gothic would make the most sense for the architechure article with "Flamboyant style" redirected there and spelled out in that lede that they both refer to the same thing.  -- Banjeboi 03:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apart from the Pet Shop Boys song, & the very dubious dicdef, with no article, there is nothing else for "flamboyant" itself. This seems clearly the primary sense, from which all the others are derived. Johnbod (talk) 03:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well there is but they are fine on the disam page, and the dicdef is fine as well. I think our readers will get what they are looking for ok. It could stay, it could move, either is fine for now.  -- Banjeboi 11:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Flamboyant Gothic]]

message: Today, isn't flamboyant used to describe people with the connotation of being gay? This is neither on this page nor the disambiguation.Naddruf (talk) 01:14, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connotation of gay 

message: I had removed discussion and illustrations of perpendicular Gothic, which really have no place here. Perpendicular and flamboyant are related only insofar as they were contemporary and Gothic; they were otherwise very distinct and opposed. Information from the section could be rescued and put into other articles and can be copied from the diff here. GPinkerton (talk) 23:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perpendicular 

message: I removed the image of the Great West Window from the section because the web site of York Minster, on its Great West Window Fact Sheet, says the window was made in the 1330s in the "French curvilinear decorated style."  It says nothing about Flamboyant.  According to the lead of the article, Flamboyant was from 1375 to the mid-16th century, after the window was made. 
Once again, I would really, really appreciate it if you would not be sarcastic and insulting when talking to other editors.  Please.  Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 09:57, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please understand that stylistic periodizations are not absolute, and flamboyant is not a period but a style. The Oxford Dictionary of Architecture and Landscape Architecture says of flamboyant:  If you think this is self-contradictory, take it up with James Stevens Curl. GPinkerton (talk) 14:11, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The factsheet on the West Window on the official site of York Minster says: "Architecturally, the tracery is in the French curvilinear decorated style and marks a departure from the otherwise geometric tracery of the rest of the Nave."  It dates the window to 1338-39, which predates the Flamboyant style.  I think this is reliable source.  The factsheet is dated 2013.  Why do you think your source is more correct than the Cathedral page?  In my experience, if something is disputed, you leave it out.  Why should that not be the case here?  Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 17:35, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not disputed. You are making an argument ex silencio. The notable architectural historian and editor of a dictionary of architecture dated 2015 says the window is an important example of flamboyant tracery. Some factsheet produced by a religious organization does not contradict this, and you are using this non-contradiction to decide on your own authority that Curl is wrong. If Curl says it does not "predate" flamboyant, then it does not. It may predate the widespread popularity of style, but that's irrelevant. The east window of Carlisle cathedral is flamboyant, and in the upper parts date from 1350. GPinkerton (talk) 21:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

text:  I've reverted your additions of the east window at York. It' the west window that's considered flamboyant, not the east. (You can tell from the pictures.) GPinkerton (talk) 03:20, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

text:  See above. GPinkerton (talk) 17:39, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

text:  What I object to most is your insulting tone.  Calling the press release and fact sheet  of the education department of York Minster, the owner and restorer of the window,  "Some factsheet produced by a religious organization"  is a good example.  You should listen a little sometimes to other sources besides your omnipresent Mr. Curl.  SiefkinDR (talk) 18:36, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  And what, it's all my fault you've confused east and west and refuse to cite any sources? GPinkerton (talk) 21:06, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  York Minister West window 

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message: Isn't Jehan de Dunois the half-brother not of King Charles VI but of Charles of Orléans? As I don't have access to the source, I'd be glad if someone could tell me if Emery (2015) actually writes about this.--Nux-vomica 1007 (talk) 08:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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