Talk:Visual novel

message: Shibboleth, why did you redirect the page, despite the passionate comments by the previous anonymous contributor? Paranoid 10:41, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: Nice to see an "anime game" section article that was actually balanced, mostly accurate, and well written.  I've made several changes to correct a few misconceptions that had crept in, particularly:
* "Kinetic Novel" is a proprietary term that refers only to the VisualArt's titles "Planetarian", "Maiden Halo", "カレと彼の間で", "TRANCEキッス", and "神曲奏界ポリフォニカ".
* Visual novels were never always ren'ai games - there are horror examples from the mid-1990s on the Super Famicom ("Otogirisou", "Kamaitachi no yoru", "Gakkou de atta kowai hanashi" and so on).
Haeleth 22:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why thank you. --Shii/Ashibaka (tock) 22:20, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: This is a great article, well written and all. However it could probably benefit from a few good references at the bottom of the page.--SidiLemine 11:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: This article doesn't contain any info on the history of visual novels... When was the first one released? What was it like technically? Try to name a few important visual novels. Shinobu 03:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shizuku, Kizuato, and then ToHeart by Leaf pretty much started it.  I'm aware there were sound novels/random eroge beforehand.  ToHeart is perhaps the most important VN of all time because it transformed the genre from mostly-ero to mostly-story and added the high school setting.  Then came Kanon from Key which nearly eliminated the ero aspect in addition to being extremely popular.  (Kanon was also among the first to have an anime adaptation.)  And now VN is a very popular genre, with (some number over 50)% of PC games sold in Japan being VNs and then you get things like F/sn PS2 nearly outselling Super Paper Mario (insert reference here).  Blah blah, somebody else reword this shit to make sense in the article if you want. Moogy (talk) 13:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You missed Otogirisou  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enerccio (talk • contribs) 03:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History? 

message: I've noticed that part of the article seems to derive verbatim from the Blade Visual Novel Engine webpage. Mizunori (talk) 23:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, more likely the Blade Engine webpage derives verbatim from Wikipedia. According to archive.org, Blade's page dates from around August 7, 2006 while the text in question was written in its original form by User:Duty in late 2004. Also, I'm User:Duty under a new username, so I think I would have remembered had I copied it from somewhere. -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 03:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagarism from the Blade Enginge homepage? 

message: I deleted those because they were already linked in the template at the top.68.148.164.166 (talk) 08:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  bluelinks in ==seealso== 

message: Since Ryukishi07, the creator of Umineko no Naku Koro ni, appears to have officially endorsed   the fan translation of his work done by Witch Hunt, would it now be acceptable to mention and link to it in the "Translations" section (as well as on the Umineko no Naku Koro ni page?) -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 19:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Witch Hunt 

message: Are they still being ported to the Dreamcast, or is this statement just referring to the fact that they once were?  If it is the latter, I think it should be revised to be more clear, as I was under the assumption that the Dreamcast was pretty much dead nowadays... 98.238.188.211 (talk) 10:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to , the latest Dreamcast game was released in 2007, so my assumption is that the statement is outdated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.237.223.72 (talk) 13:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ported to the Sega Dreamcast? 

message: I'll buy Ace Attorney and Snatcher as similar enough to VNs to warrant mention, but unless the later entries in the series have changed greatly since the first DS game that I played, dialogue is hardly the focus of Trauma Center. If any game with some VN-style sequences counts as a visual novel, we might as well mention games like Ar tonelico too... or why not Puzzle Quest? It's got dialogue sequences like that too.
While the page Trauma Center (series) also claims the games are visual novels, the Japanese Wikipedia pages state they are action games and as far as I can tell do not mention visual novels anywhere. I say remove it, anyone else have an opinion? Any Japanese sources that bill the games as visual novels would be of interest as well. -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 04:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese use "visual novel" in a more restrictive sense than we do in the West; I have not played Trauma Center but of what I can tell the framing and narrative portions of the game are in visual novel style, interspersed with action/puzzle sequences, which would put it in the (Japanese) category of "adventure games" (not the same as Western adventure games), which in the West are lumped in with visual novels. - JRBrown (talk) 20:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dubious one as titles like Rune Factory 2 also use VN mechanics to advance the plot, but also rely heavily on non-VN elements. Wikipedia does not have an article on Hybrid-genre video games, let alone a list.陣内Jinnai 20:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trauma Center... really? 

message: Because of the number of start/stub articles that fail and have no hope of ever passing the WP:GNG I've started up a list at User:Jinnai/VN. Right now I'm taking entries off vndb.org. This pertains only to Japanese VNs translated to English. If you want to help feel free to add entries.陣内Jinnai 20:59, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: as far as i know you can find them all here TLwiki.Ald™ N☺Nym☻us 00:53, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Developing list of English-translated VNs 

message: Look at this...
Sound Novels is a trademark of Chunsoft, which used the term for its novel games such as Portopia Renzoku Satsujin Jiken, Otogirisō, Kamaitachi no Yoru, Machi, 428: Fūsa Sareta Shibuya de (which received a perfect 40/40 score from Famitsu), and more recently 999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors.
The Portopia Serial Murder Case was released roughly six years before Otogirisou, which is the one first labeled a Sound Novel. And there are some differences between Portopia and the Sound Novels of the future. Therefore, I suggest a change with that part, maybe remove Portopia entirely. That's all. 120.28.64.71 (talk) 14:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're talking about removing it from that list of sound novels, fine. If you're talking about removing every instance of Portopia from the article, no.陣内Jinnai 15:19, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  There seems to be a problem with one part here. 

message: The data inside is all correct, Lost Odyssey and Sakura Wars are RPGs with VN-hybrid elements. However, they are not VNs, they simply have VN elements. Now, nothing in that section is inaccurate, but I'm just questioning the need for it to be in this article.
Note the last two edits. The unnamed editor mistakenly removed it because s/he though (as did I) that Sakura Wars should not be in there, but then I realized that the section only states it has VN-style elements. This means that the revert done right after is correct. I merely question the relevance of this entire section in the first place, as VNs are a very small part of their gameplay, thus making these sections possibly better suited within the History of Eastern role-playing video games article instead. 
Overmage (talk) 07:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it might have been added in part due to the discussion above this one, in which games in other genres with VN elements (and in some cases referred to as VNs themselves, typically when they are made by a company which is well known for developing eroge- for example, the Rance series) were brought up to justify the classification of visual novels as a subgenre of games. However, the published sources claiming that they are were really all we needed to settle that argument. (Until someone comes up with a published source claiming that VNs aren't games.) -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 01:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm it just feels strange, it would be like classifying Hellgate: London inside the FPS page, if you know what I mean. Not that it's wrong, just feels like a stretch. For the record, I feel VNs are games, but the thing is, these examples here are only VNs in very small part. Are there possibly better examples (at least, better than Lost Odyssey?) Even Rance would be preferable, I think. A very large portion of Japanese games have some sort of ADV-style narrative in them, so that distinction might be a little vague. Overmage (talk) 06:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RPG Hybrids section, is it really necessary? 

message: "While the plots and storytelling of mainstream video games is often criticized, many fans of visual novels hold them up as exceptions and identify this as a strong point of the genre."
Can somebody explain this phrase to me? E.g., criticized for what? --Beroal (talk) 15:24, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Criticized for being a crappy story. Nintendo Maniac 64 (talk) 03:06, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...strong point of the genre 

message: From this article in Vietnamese Wikipedia, there is a part that criticism for visual novel from Association of Universities and Colleges Vietnam. I think if possible, please translate it into article, to take a comprehensive look. I use Google translate for paragraph:
Thanks you. --113.180.99.249 (talk) 06:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism for visual novel in Vietnam 

message: Incredibly long article, with lots of jargon tossed about that someone unfamiliar may not understand. In addition, the placement of certain elements, such as an example image, may need to be moved to make more sense. Also, because it needs to be repeated: Incredibly long article. Please find points to trim or split into their own page. --Pichu0102 (talk) 15:54, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a lot of cleanup 

message: Hi, while looking at the page due to a friend commenting on it, I found the following passage intriguing:
But there is no source given for this affirmation, and whatever information I found about NVL and ADV are closer the their descriptions on the vndb.org pages: ADV ( https://vndb.org/g32 ) and NVL ( https://vndb.org/g43 ), which says that they are about the style of text presentation, and has nothing to do with the presence of gameplay-related elements.
Could this section be sourced, removed or updated so that it won't possibly provide erroneous information? MamotromicO (talk) 22:40, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  VNL and ADV 

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message: Isnt Doki Doki Literature Club!  a best selling visual novel?   Why does it not appear in the best selling tables of this article?   If this article is limited to Japanese-created VNs, that should be made clear in article's title or first paragraph. 76.167.218.93 (talk) 15:20, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese VN only? 

message: The two tables from the section "List of best-selling visual novels" are not correct, in my opinion it is missing Katawa Shoujo (even if I do not know where to find the number of downloads of the game), there is / some statistic(s) not updated (I checked only the Muv-Luv serie , the stat "Steam (PC) overseas - 5,256" is clearly not up to date.) and there is a mistake Steins; Gate is part of the serie Science; Adventure so we should count other games from the serie like Chaos; Head.31NOVA (talk) 18:05, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of best-selling visual novels section statistics problem 

message: Since the sales figures in the article are apt to date quickly, we should either make sure they are all from the same year or remove them. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:36, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The same could be said for almost any best-seller list on Wikipedia. There'll always be a sense of incompleteness, with missing titles and figures. These are simply the known sales figures. I've replaced the tag with a more appropriate Template:Dynamic list tag   to address that it's an incomplete list. Maestro2016 (talk) 00:17, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales figures

message: I see this:
'This distinction is normally lost outside Japan, as both visual novels and adventure games are commonly referred to as "visual novels" by international fans.'
Uhhh... what? Maybe someone needs to read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_game
Outside of Japan, adventure game is the older term and encompasses multiple genres. If anything, VNs are more frequently classed as a subgenre of adventure games in the Anglosphere.
Godammit, Weebs!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.7.118.149 (talk) 20:47, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visual novel v adventure game 

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