Talk:Treasure Hunters (TV series)

message: Do we think that modifying the team chart similar to how the Amazing Race charts are done, ordering the teams in order of finish each week, is a good idea? I like being able to look back at that information on TAR pages. I don't know how to do it, though. Otto4711 08:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no need to yet. A blank box won't look good. And we're also not 100% sure that all of leg 2 will air today. Until we're certain we should keep it off the page.TeckWizTalkContribsGuestbook 13:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really think it would be OK to have boxes ready for upcoming legs. That way editors who don't know how to do the charts (like me for example) can contribute to the chart without being dependent on others' largesse. Otto4711 02:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The table should be the TAR way. The alphebetical order isn't even totally alphebetical. The eliminated teams are at the bottom in order of elimination, yet all the other teams are alphabetized. It looks bad when the fifth place team is under the first. The thing that should be alphabetized is the table that lists the teams and occupations (including the eliminated teams in their correct places. TeckWizTalkContribsGuestbook 20:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on both counts, that was basically my point too. Some people might like alpha, but it's not real alpha with some teams at the bottom. I like numerical order instead, and so it grates on me right now seeing the numbers all out of order. --Maelwys 21:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Everything I suggested and you seconded has been done.TeckWizTalkContribsGuestbook 22:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Why is that text even there to begin with, its just redundant and after time will make that table freaking huge. I say knix it. Amazingracer 20:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At the rate the show is going, and assuming that each leg results in at least one team elimination, the least boxes there will be for eliminated teams is two. Not sure if this would be big enough to hold that information (obviously we can insert line breaks between the words in the sentence). I think that it'd look weird having a large empty box, but maybe that's just me? –Dvandersluis 20:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with above TeckWizTalkContribsGuestbook 22:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Team Results

message: I noticed that the results table had been re-sorted into alphabetical order, and I'd like to bring that decision up for discussion. Although that's obviously one way to do it, I think that the most informative way is to sort it based on the finish order of the most recent leg. This gives you a quick glance at comparison to see how the teams are doing now, compared to how they've historically done. And since people were so keen on doing things "the Amazing Race way", I'll just note that on the TAR page the table was updated after each leg to put things in placement order based on that leg as well. ;-) Just my thought --Maelwys 20:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The table should be the TAR way. The alphebetical order isn't even totally alphebetical. The eliminated teams are at the bottom in order of elimination, yet all the other teams are alphabetized. It looks bad when the fifth place team is under the first. The thing that should be alphabetized is the table that lists the teams and occupations (including the eliminated teams in their correct places. TeckWizTalkContribsGuestbook 20:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on both counts, that was basically my point too. Some people might like alpha, but it's not real alpha with some teams at the bottom. I like numerical order instead, and so it grates on me right now seeing the numbers all out of order. --Maelwys 21:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Everything I suggested and you seconded has been done.TeckWizTalkContribsGuestbook 22:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorting the Table

message: With the switching out of the Grads for the Browns and for spacing issues what do people think of losing the grey text and the elimination leg/date? IMHO it doesn't really add anything to the table by including it and with the Grad/Brown situation could become actively confusing. Otto4711 02:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is that text even there to begin with, its just redundant and after time will make that table freaking huge. I say knix it. Amazingracer 20:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At the rate the show is going, and assuming that each leg results in at least one team elimination, the least boxes there will be for eliminated teams is two. Not sure if this would be big enough to hold that information (obviously we can insert line breaks between the words in the sentence). I think that it'd look weird having a large empty box, but maybe that's just me? –Dvandersluis 20:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with above TeckWizTalkContribsGuestbook 22:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Greyed out eliminations

message: But I really think that the best format for the team results chart would be one like The Amazing Race pages use. Rather than losing information every leg by basing it off of who's eliminated, the TAR format chart would preserve information on previous leg results. If someone who knows how to add columns would be so kind as to add them so that we can keep the information, that would be super. Otto4711 03:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not to harp on this 

message: I have this odd feeling based on the way the camera lingers on them that the Genworth Financial signs teams keep passing are going to turn out to be significant. I'm going to put the content here for now since putting it in the article would be speculation. If anyone has ep 1 on tape, can you post the signage here? I've already taped over it.
Ep 2: "Look on water for it is inspiration." Otto4711 10:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure that they're just clues for the next challenge. That one was placed right before they got to the mine where they had to figure out to fill the bucket with water. The first episode I believe said something about "Rush" "More" (as two words in the sentence) while they were figuring out where to go next (Mount Rushmore, at the time). But you could be right, all the clues combined together might end up meaning something greater at the end as well... something to keep an eye on, though you're right that it's definitely OR/speculation at the moment and better to do here instead of in the article. --Maelwys 19:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually think it's just advertising added in. I think after filming, producers add the sign into the frame to get money for advertising, since Genworth Financial is their only or main sponsor.TeckWizTalkContribsGuestbook 20:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genworth Financial signs 

message: I added a Trivia section, like the one found on TAR pages. This for odd and random tidbits of info. Such as the deal with their RAZRa and that other phone they are seen with, as well as the Genworth Financial signs.
Enjoy.
: I'm thinking of deleting the trivia section. Most of the entries will be rendered kinda pointless by the season finale (the prize amount, the live broadcast and so on), other stuff is duplicated elsewhere (the different phones) and without that stuff the section's pretty paltry. The Genworth info could be noted in the opening or in a promotions section and the Canada broadcast thing if we want to retain it could be noted in the leg summary. Thoughts? Otto4711 13:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the silence on the topic I took out the trivia section and put in a brief section about the home games. Otto4711 01:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Breaking the silence- I don't think it should've been taken out, but after the finale we will probably have enough info to put it back. Also, one piece of trivia is that Laird has never appeared in person, though he probably will in the finale, so I would put, "Up until the finale Laird MacIntosh has never appeared in person". TeckWizTalkContribs# of Edits 21:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Laird appeared at the State Capitol Building in Lincoln. When the two sets of 5 teams met for the first time. Thats the only time he's been with the teams in person. Which is weird compared to how much interaction Phil has with the teams on TAR. Also sorry for the delay in defending the Trivia section I had to stay away from the article because I keep missing episodes due to other circumstances. Im putting it back in, because TechWiz is right more stuff will pop up later. Just look at the TAR pages.Amazingracer 03:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Last night I tuned in to watch Treasure Hunters, and rather than Leg 3, Leg 4 was shown (from 9-10pm EST). Leg 2 was re-aired from 8-9. The NBC official site seems to have Leg 4 as 'next on', so I'm thinking that Global was playing the wrong thing; did anyone else experience this? –Dvandersluis 13:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, they did indeed. The descriptions everywhere were for the correct episode "(Don't) Trust Thy Neighbour", but it looks like somebody at Global loaded the wrong tape in the machine. I recorded it (stopped watching when I noticed the "Last time on..." was recapping stuff I'd never seen before) and I'm hoping that they'll realize their mistake and play the correct episode sometime later, maybe this weekend. Or, I believe next week they'll be doing the two episodes back-to-back again, so this time maybe they'll properly do Legs 3 and 4. --Maelwys 13:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, so I didn't miss anything after all.  Would anyone object if I added a summary of (the first half of) leg 4?  JYolkowski // talk 23:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably better to wait until it's actually aired in most markets (or at least in it's home market, that being USA) before posting anything here. People already complain if the page gets updated before the show's aired on the west coast, I get the feeling they wouldn't appreciate it being updated a week early. ;-) --Maelwys 00:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: What did Canadian TV do regarding the episode mix-up? How did they show the following two episodes? Otto4711 01:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Every week they've been doing double episodes anyway (previous week at 8, new episode at 9), so last week we just got two "new" episodes (Leg 3 which we'd skipped at 8, and Leg 4 again at 9). --Maelwys 02:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Global (Canada) play the wrong episode? 

message: Mrschimpf added to the Trivia section a sentence on the videos being superimposed onto the phones. I'd like to see a source for this, especially since I'm pretty sure I've seen shots of teams viewing the videos, with the video visible. –Dvandersluis 02:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was watching an episode and in the instance I saw, it's clear that the image had to be superimposed on the screen. It's not one of my regular shows by any means, so if someone knows more about it you can edit it out, I just thought it was used for all scenes involving the phones. Nate 04:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's both. The teams see the video on their phones, and for the bits showing the home audience just the phone and the message it's a superimposed image. So I'm taking out the bit about the superimposed images since that's clearly not accurate within the hunt itself. What I'd like to see a cite for is that some of the places they've gone don't have cell service at all.Otto4711 23:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superimposed phone message videos 

message: Is there any evidence, other than the fact that the episode is being shown over two episodes (which of course doesn't prove anything more than that there was more content that could fit in a single episode)? If this is the guideline we're going by, Leg 1 should be double-length as well, as it occupied the first two episodes... –Dvandersluis 02:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing this out. Unlike TAR, it's not actually double length. It's just an episode that takes up more than an hour. It could've been the exact same length of any other leg. In TAR, Phil has greeted teams and told them it was double length, and they had twice as many tasks. Here, nothing like this happens, so I'm going to remove it. TeckWizTalkContribsGuestbook 03:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Double Length' Leg 4 

message: Before this possibly degenerates into one, what's the generally accepted standard for fansites? Otto4711 22:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or, you know, people could just get into a fight and call it "vandalism" without further comment. That works too I suppose. Otto4711 01:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Seeing as a certain some one has taken the "be an ass about this entire page" route, calling it vandalism is a little harsh. While yes the fan stie is an external link, those are normally for citing sources and the official show page. However creating a simple fan site section will cure the problem just fine. And thats what I did.Amazingracer 02:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fansite edit war 

message: Can anyone identify the source of the quote from the quilt panel clue? I googled it but got no results. Otto4711 02:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freedom quote from 4.2 

message: The anymous edit about the music coming from National Treasure may stem from the fact that a/the producer of National Treasure also worked on this show( stated in promos for the show). The music sounds familiar, but I have not seen the movie in a while.Amazingracer 05:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music From National Treasure 

message: This is not related to the article, but I find it weird that the Fogal Family, with the pastor, sort of violates the Ten Commandments. Examples include:
#Leg 1: Stole the box with the pilot's log from the Grad Students. "Thou shalt not steal"
#Leg 2: Mislead two teams to get ahead at the 13th star. (This is not really a commandment but more of a sense of morals)
#Leg 4: Kayte started to scream (from what I think is dehydration) and yet she refused help from her parents. "Thou shalt honour your father and your mother" (This is a sort of one)
#Leg 5: Margie admitted that she did not want to tell the Air Force about the arrow at Dover Castle because they were the last two teams (by the last checkpoint). (Again a sense of morals)
I also found it ironic that they were eliminated at a church. Typer525 Talk 18:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever the morality of sticking with the agreement with Air Force, the Fogals violated one of the Ten Commandments of Reality Show Competition: Thou shalt not honor alliances when you're racing for last place. It's sometimes a smart move, especially on this show where you don't actually have to solve the clues to advance (I'm looking at you, Southie Boys), to ally if you're in the top half or third of the remaining teams. You're not going to go out if your ally lands ahead of you. But if it's between you and another team going home at the end of the day, screw the alliance. The irony is that whenit made absolutely no difference the Fogals screwed over other teams pretty much at will, but when it was potentially the act that would send them home, they refused. Not so much immoral as nakedly stupid. Otto4711 18:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Good point...I have nothing against the Fogals but they do throw me off at times because I expect them to be more moral in their actions. Typer525 Talk 02:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well at least they acknowledged that they were overly "competitive" in the finale. Typer525 Talk 01:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fogal Family 

message: The cipher is actually an altered Vigenère cipher. A full copy of the cipher shows a 26 by 26 Vigenère square with the A cipher alphabet as "B,C,D,E..." and using a special character for when the letter would be encoded as itself (the letter A in the A cipher alphabet would be encoding by the special character). In the article, the cipher is called a double substitution cipher and being not familiar with the term, could the person who put it there explain to me why it is a double substitution and not a modified Vigenère cipher? Typer525 Talk 02:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the notation based on how the show identified it on-screen. Otto4711 13:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, thanks. For a supposedly "historicly accurate" show, they sure did not do any research about cryptology.Typer525 Talk 23:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lewis and Clark Cipher 

message: Anyone else think that it probably wasn't as close as it was made out to be (between the Geniuses and Ex-CIA, I mean)? Some crafty editing, perhaps? ;) –Dvandersluis 02:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely.  I'd imagine that it was fairly close, but probably along the lines of minutes instead of seconds as it was shown.  JYolkowski // talk 02:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race to open the cryptex (Leg 7) 

message: On the article, it states that the finale is being aired on August 21, 2006, but on the NBC schedule, it states that Episode 109(which I assume is the finale, unless I'm wrong) is being shown on August 14th. Is Episode 109 a special or something like that? -RagolSlayer // talk 09:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears that Leg 8 will be split over two episode, similar to Leg 4. Tv.com (among other places) says that there will be an episode 110. I also read somewhere (I can't recall where offhand) that 109 is the teams finding the 7th artifact (which would make 110 be about finding the treasure). –Dvandersluis 19:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finale air time? 

message: In Monday's episode Martin from the Southie Boys was saying how people dream of going to Paris and Monaco. The teams never went to Monaco did they?Amazingracer 03:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was never stated on-camera that teams went to Monaco but since Monaco shares a huge common border with France it's possible that as part of the leg they crossed the border. Otto4711 05:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monaco 

message: Wouldn't it have been a magnet to have pointed the right way? There's no way the spin could have landed exactly on the star like that, I suspect the pointer and the floor thing were magnets set to align themselves the right way.
Should that be in the article? Toastypk 02:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Unless it's stated in the program it's speculation and it doesn't belong. Otto4711 02:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

text: There also could have been a stopper in the cylinder that spins the pointer. It couldve been anything really. Amazingracer 03:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the pointer in the final cryptex 

message: Does anyone have any information on how well this series performed in the ratings? --Destron Commander 10:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series performance