Talk:Jack Brabham

message: Class is start - what's here is OK (although I think there may be a couple of errors) but it is really very brief and anyone with more than a very casual interest would have to look elsewhere.
Importance is mid - In the context of WP Australia at least, would be higher in context of WP:f1 --4u1e 22:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: AAFL - thanks for your hard work in adding results to this article.
I hope you don't mind, but I've changed the team for 1962 from Lotus to Brabham. Jack did not drive for Lotus, although the Brabham Racing Organisation bought a Lotus car to use in early 1962 while Motor Racing Developments built the first Brabham car. See the Brabham article for more details! Maserati is wrong as well - that was a privateer car that Jack entered himself. However, I'm not quite sure to put there under 'team'. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Formula_One for more on this topic. --4u1e 18:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: I refer to a letter written by Sir Jack Brabham OBE to WIKIPEDIA dated 30 June 2007 requesting the link:  "Jack Brabham - Official Australian site" to be placed on the WIKI page for him.  This link was inserted by Phil Sandifer of WIKI to link to www.jackbrabhamengines.com which is Sir Jack's Australian website where you will find up to date information about him, given by him.  This link is being changed erroneously.  Sir Jack has a site run by Donn Gurney in the USA who has in the past organised promotional events for him.  However the materials provided at www.jackbrabhamengines.com are entirely provided by Sir Jack with his permission from his personal collection of photographs.  We have now changed back to link to the Australian site in accordance with Sir Jack's wishes.  While there are queries on various races and/or cars, if you only emailed us in Australia, we can source that information directly from Sir Jack.
:With the greatest of respect to Sir Jack, whether or not he requests that the page be linked here is of no relevance as whether the information should be included in an encyclopedia. Concerns have been expressed about the inclusion of links to a commercial site (i.e. one whose purpose is in part to sell Brabham memorabilia) (See WP:LINK). It is normal to include links to an individual's personal website if such exists, so if jackbrabham.com is no longer Sir Jack's official site, and the JBE site is, could you tell us to whom the letter to Wikipedia was sent? Cheers. 4u1e 19:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have restored the other conversations you deleted. Please note that it is extremely bad wiki-manners to delete 'conversations by other users. In this context it could be taken as an attempt to hide views put forward by others. Could I suggest that it might be an idea to open a Wikipedia account, it would make continuing such conversations as this much easier. Cheers. 4u1e 19:43, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I suspect that that is of no relevance here - all I can see above is a discussion over whether it is appropriate (by Wikipedia's in-house rules) to include a link to the JBE site in the article, and information reproduced here by Malbeare regarding Sir Jack's resignation from the board of directors of JBE. Not that I feel you're being threatening, but it might be useful to read WP:LEGAL. Cheers. 4u1e 17:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true that the JBE site is his official site, and I changed the link to reflect that per an OTRS request. This should not be taken as a judgment that other links are inappropriate - merely that the JBE site is the one that can most accurately be called his official site. Phil Sandifer 17:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pardon my ignorance: OTRS? For the rest, do you feel that Sir Jack's stepping down from the board of directors would make any difference (my initial reaction would be not). Cheers. 4u1e 17:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:OTRS. And my reaction would be that it does not make a difference - the JBE link should still be included.Again, that's not a judgment on other links - just that the JBE link should definitely be included. Phil Sandifer 19:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like we're in agreement then. As the American site seems also to be officially sanctioned, going by the above comments, I'll review it and if it offers different content include it as well. Could I make a gentle plea to clearly note the reasoning for reincluding such links in future, Phil? A note on this page from yourself, or even in your edit summary, given the existing discussions on this page, would have been helpful in resolving this. I realise that the talk page discussions were deleted at one point, by the anonymous editor (presumed JBE rep), and so the history of the discussion may not have been obvious. Many thanks for your help. Cheers. 4u1e 11:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The content at www.jackbrabham.com, while obviously similar, is different enough that I judge it worth having both as they add to the content of the page. In terms of 'current events' and contemporary photos, they are likely to do so even if the page itself is ever brought up to FA standard. Cheers. 4u1e 11:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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