Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Feb-May06

message: * Kaiho Tsunechika. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kaiho Tsunechika. Fg2 01:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominated for deletion 

message: Has anyone heard of this?  If not, it looks like a good candidate for AFD.  Neier 00:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if someone has heard of it, it's not a particularly good article -- with no reputable and verifiable sources (no sources at all, for that matter) it's not particularly convincing, and really smacks of urban legend...  --awh (Talk) 00:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a video (or a bunch of them) spreading around the web featuring some guy called "the panty man" or something like that, doing exactly what the article describes. In no place was the word "sharking" ever used, and it's probable that the content of the films might be fake anyways (set up). The author of this article is trying to create a neology, and also trying to promote some bogus videos that he thought were funny. AfD it.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  02:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Japanese sharking]] 

message: A user has nominated Japan as a candidate for the Article Improvement Drive. See Talk:Japan for more information about this nomination. Fg2 03:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan nominated for Article Improvement Drive 

message: Found on Articles for Deletion: Neta. Fg2 01:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion 

message: Hi all. I recently discovered and began working on the list of Japanese artists. I'd like to make some pretty major changes to the format of the list, and I would like a little input before I go and do that and start a flame war and/or revert war for having acting unilaterally. Please take a look at Talk:List of Japanese artists and let me know what you think. LordAmeth 02:48, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Japanese artists]] 

message: I've improved the National Center Test for University Admissions (Center Shiken) article further. Although I translated the entire list of tests from the Japanese Wikipedia :ja:大学入試センター試験, it's rather long and maybe unnecessary for our non-Japanese readers. How about a simplified list of subjects and tests? Or would it merit a different article? Also, the article's still not complete - if you can include information on the various problems with the Shiken (as listed on the Japanese wiki), please do so! Thanks - Tangotango 06:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are times when I push to shorten content of English articles about Japanese subjects, mainly because of the tendancy on the JA 'pedia for listing things and giving lots of rare facts, but I think this stands as a little bit of an exception. Information like this is extremely useful to foreign students (and foreign students of Japanese) interested in going to school in Japan, and real, unabridged information is super hard to find online because most Japanese schools don't feel the need to translate it all. I certainly would have liked more information (at least, as much information as there was in Japanese) about university admissions and university courses when I was looking.The length of the article is no problem as it is now; it could easily be twice as long without becoming difficult to read. I definitely agree with you that there's room for additional articles on the problems (and the phenomenon) related to the Shiken.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  07:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Freshgavin, thanks for your comments. I didn't realise that the info could be useful for students looking to study in Japan; although I wouldn't recommend anyone base their educational decisions on an encylopedia, I can see that this article could actually prove pretty useful for a general look on things in Japan. That said, I'm pretty dismayed that Education in Japan is not up to the high standard it should be - can anyone clarify what parts of the article are out of date? I think this should be a Featured Article - after all, Education in Japan is a pretty hot topic, especially when compared to other Asian countries and the U.S. and Europe. (there was an article in TIME recently). - Tangotango 15:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Center Test for University Admissions 

message: Hi everyone, I requested that Nanpa be moved to Nampa, mainly because I believe the latter is more common & better reflects the pronunciation, and also in part because someone raised an ambiguity issue with the North American Numbering Plan Administration.  Please comment, if you like, at Talk:Nanpa. Dforest 11:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Manual of Style mandates the "n." I argued (vehemently!) against it, but lost. So while I sympathize with the cause, I'm afraid that the community consensus is with the "n." Regarding ambiguity, there is, also, North American Nature Photographers' (correction: Photography) Association, which might some day merit an article. That's what "disambiguation" pages are for. It's not a problem, and not a sufficient reason (in my opinion) to override the MoS. I'll copy this comment to Talk:Nanpa for the convenience of people who want to debate there. Fg2 11:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move: Nanpa to Nampa 

message: List of movies, manga, anime, and television shows that take place in Tokyo
Fg2 02:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominated for deletion 

message: I have proposed the creation of WikiProject Trains in Japan, a project to standardize and organize articles about Japanese railways. The temporary project page can be seen here. If you are interested, please sign your name here. Thank you! - Tangotango 07:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a notice to announce the creation of WikiProject Trains in Japan, a descendant project of WikiProject Japan. If you would like to become a member, please add yourself to the Participants list on the page. Thanks! - Tangotango 09:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trains in Japan 

message: Something called Orphanbot run by User:Carnildo is removing all unlicensed images from wikipedia. Under threat are various Japanese cities' ward maps eg. .
Apparently these images are from the Japanese wikipedia. Fukuoka city's ward map has already gone and I guess a lot of others may be affected. Can anyone please give precise licenses for these useful images before they all disappear?
Thanks.
--Historian 10:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've written to the original uploader of the maps on the Japanese Wikipedia, asking the source and license. (利用者‐会話:Zell) However, he/she doesn't appear to be terribly active (their last edit was in October 2005) so I don't know whether we'll get a reply in time. - Tangotango 10:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I was just about to post the same warning after I saw it remove an image from Otaru, Hokkaido.  While I understand the importance of including source information, I don't like this bot's "guilty until proven innocent" mentality.  Let's make sure images on Japan-related pages have source information so they aren't removed. CES 12:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, but if by 'here' you mean the English wikipedia then I'm afraid Orphanbot will remove it. --Historian 07:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help! 

message: We're having problems at the Shooto page with an anonymous IP user  constantly reverting a passage to (what I think is) an incorrect version. It's about the origin of the word 修斗 ("Shooto"), which is (according to the Japanese Wikipedia) an ateji of シュート (shūto). He keeps on insisting that "斗" (to) means "unit of volume" (okay, it does) and that the word 修斗 consequently doesn't mean anything at all. In his own words:
:The word Shooto an English transliteration of the Japanese words SHU TO, is actually no-sensical as it translates as "to study or master a unit of volume!" "SHU" (修) means to study or to master, and "TO" (斗) is a unit of volume. "TO" is NOT an accepted ateji and has no other reading, especially one related to fighting.
and
:The word Shooto an English transliteration of the Japanese words SHU TO, is actually no-sensical as it translates as "to study or master a unit of volume!" "SHU" (修) means to study or to master, and "TO" (斗) is a unit of volume. It is argued on many websites that Shuto means to study combat, but combat would be sen, or tataka(u) (戦). No connection between 斗 and 戦 can be made, and Shuto cannot mean anything other than to study a unit of volume.
I don't think he understands the concept of an ateji, and I've explained to him what that is on his talk page User talk:144.131.64.233 (also see comments made by User:-Marcus- and me at the talk page) but all my messages have gone unanswered (and presumably ignored). I'm afraid to revert the page further lest I violate WP:3RR, and I'm not willing to treat this as simple vandalism, but I'm sure my version is correct. Can somebody fluent in Japanese please convince this fellow that he is, in fact, wrong? Thank you. - Tangotango 09:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to help from CES, the problem is now (hopefully) resolved. - Tangotango 03:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Shooto]] 

message: I don't know how I missed it, but some time ago, someone added a list of notable members of the Minamoto clan to the clan's page. The names were not formatted properly ("Yoshitomo Minamoto" instead of "Minamoto no Yoshitomo" - has anyone ever seen it written like that?), and the list was very short, including some and excluding others, both notable and not.
Anyway, my intention is not to bitch this anonymous IP user out. I will take a little time right now to see if I can sort out which members of the clan are notable enough to be included on the list, and which might be removed.
Is it useful to have a sampling of notable members? Or a comprehensive list of all Minamoto? Or should we simply provide links to the Seiwa Genji and other branch family articles? Thanks for your ideas and suggestions. LordAmeth 17:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I recall that someone, probably Sansom, had  family tree in an English-language history. Seems like a useful visual to include. Historical dictionaries and similar works often include them in appendixes. A comprehensive one would be too big; to make it reasonable, either separate by lineages, or truncate when lines cease to be important. In addition, an article with a sampling of important members would be a very useful addition to an encyclopedia. Fg2 21:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minamoto clan family tree 

message: For anyone who isn't already aware of it, we now have a WikiProject Japan. This is the place to list projects, requests, etc., for any Japan-related articles. It's also the place to look if you are looking for something to do. We welcome all interested editors to come and join the project. (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 17:34, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Japan

message: There are some differences of opinion going on at Gaijin ... if you are free, come on over and see if we can prevent an edit war. CES 23:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gaijin

message: On the Kano school page, the image of Kano Tanyu's beautiful Nijo Castle screens has been deleted, presumably by copyright sticklers. Can we get new images of this? Thanks. LordAmeth 10:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Request 

message: Could someone enlarge the Pa-Pa-Pa-Pa-Puffy article? It is currently going throu the articles for the deleation procedure on Polish Wikipedia . If the (polish) article will be enlarged, it is very likly that it is going to be kept. Mieciu K 11:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pa-Pa-Pa-Pa-Puffy 

message: The article zen garden needs some clean-up and could benefit from some input from those interested in things Japanese. // Habj 00:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[zen garden]] 

message: What would be the most likely, and surprising, aspect of living in Japan for the first time? I don't know what to expect and being American, I am a little nervous.
:This sounds like a question for the Miscellaneous Reference desk under the grounds that it's a question about the effects of culture shock. I've copied it over here so check that page out for any responses.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  00:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at Customs and etiquette of Japan.  Fg2 07:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trip to Japan 

message: Recently there was a poll by only two people and the artile title was moved from Okino Torishima to Okinotori. Should be reverted, but I don't know the procedure well. Isorhiza 18:47, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This deserves a little explanation. First of all it appears that there were at least 4 people participating in the poll. Second of all the classification of 沖ノ鳥島 as islands (as opposed to a crop of coral) is in dispute, and that's basically why the article was moved in the first place. "Should be reverted" is POV, and this issue is definitely worthy of a much larger opinion poll.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  00:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move of Okino Torishima to Okinotori 

message: is being discussed on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan. Exploding Boy 16:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A Japan-related barnstar

message: I have recently expanded Japanese clock from an uninformative stub.  Some checking and technical assistance would be appreciated.  Technical vocabulary for the old Japanese temporal hours would be nice, as would appropriate Japanese language terminology about traditional pre-Westernization clocks and timekeeping, from someone who (unlike myself) has the ability to type in Japanese.  Checking to see if the article has a counterpart on ja: would be good also, and if anyone has access to appropriate pictures, they too would help a lot.  Thanks.  -- Smerdis of Tlön 17:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Japanese clock]]