Talk:Dharmachakra

message: It seems to me that Dharma-chakra was intended to refer to the same symbol as Dharmacakra, and so could just be converted to a redirect.  As far as content, there's not too much in the Dharma-chakra article that's not in Dharmacakra, but it would be good to have a section that would say more about the Jain use of the symbol (which I don't know anything about). RandomCritic 07:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There's a full discussion of this at Flag of India.  The original symbol was a spinning wheel, it's true, but in 1947, it was changed to the same design as the Dharmacakra on the Asoka pillar. RandomCritic 00:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old talk 

message: I could find no textual justification for the statement that the "three turnings" refers to "hearing, understanding, and internalizing", and no source was provided, so I eliminated the paragraph. RandomCritic (talk) 13:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Three turnings

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Jainism logo.png

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This article would be nice to include in our offline releases, but I think it needs to be improved to B-Class first. Walkerma (talk) 05:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Version 0.7 nomination

message: before there used to be a picture of the buddha that was in the buddhism infobox.
now all of a sudden it is the dharmachakra???
Besides, this is the nautical wheel. Fifty years back, I worked in my father's letterpress print-shop in Sri Lanka (Ceylon). We printed a lot of pamphlets for BPS then edited by Nyanaponika_Thera. We had graphics called blocks that were lead plates in relief of graphics mounted on wood. Whenever we had to show the Dharma Chakra, we used the Nautical Wheel block that had eight spokes. I remember this discussion. What was important was the EIGHT spokes symbolizing Noble_Eightfold_Path the sage reassured us. The actual Dharma Chakra is a plain CART WHEEL. It also symbolizes the rise and fall of everything as the wheel of time turns. In my humble opinion, we should change this symbol to a SIMPLE cart wheel with eight or more spokes. That is what Ashoka used.
the dharmachakra was made by the indian emperor ashoka, yes it is true that he made the symbol as a buddhist symbol but still i dont know why someone is removing the fact that it is an indian buddhist symbol.
japan uses the swastika and other countries use the image of buddha as buddhist symbols. the infobox needs to be changed back immediately to the picture of the sitting buddha. the image of the dharmachakra is wrongly used. HannibalLecter5 (talk) 04:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The dharmacakra is the international symbol of Buddhism. Mitsube (talk) 07:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

text: The Buddha was also Indian, did you know that? Mitsube (talk) 19:17, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Of course I have no problem with the fact that it was first used in India. It is obvious that it came from India. Buddhism itself developed primarily in India and this is common knowledge. Ashoka did not invent the symbol, you are wrong there. Mitsube (talk) 07:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Ashoka did not invent it. In fact the Buddha's very first sermon is called the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta. Mitsube (talk) 04:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  complete misuse of this symbol 

message: I have attempted to revert the multiple changes made by 69.108.100.112 . Not sure whether everything is in place now. Please, somebody double check it. Gantuya eng (talk) 01:27, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article restore 

message: This would be one bumpy chariot, wouldn't it? Are you sure it's not a ship's wheel?  It sure looks like one.189.38.128.122 (talk) 14:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  bumpy 

message: Please provide proper references when posting artiles.  The chakra a symbol of dharma is first referenced in the Vedas, Upanishads, and Bhagvad Gita.  The symbol predates Budhism but is references in Budhism as Sidharth was Hindu and so much of Hindu concepts seed Budhism.  Please do not turn this into an ego match of religions, let us not forget the intent of the message.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkrazdan (talk • contribs) 13:21, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  comment 

message: At RSN, there is a discussion related to a source which has some information about Dharmachakra. All opinions welcomed. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:08, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  At RSN 

message: Hello all, given our impasse, I have submitted a request for Dispute Resolution here. Please refrain from any changes here or on the article and direct comments to DRN until that process has been completed. Thank you. Regards, Devanampriya (talk) 12:32, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  DRN 

message: According to Samuel (2010), the ideal of the cakravartin, the "warrior-king", developed in the later vedic period (1000-500 BCE) in the western Ganges plain.(p.71-76) This ideal developed together with the concept of the dharmaraja, the "wisdom king".(p.72-73) Ironically, the cakravartin is more connected with the Brahmanic ideology of the Kuru Kingdom, while the dharmaraja is more connected with the central Ganges plain, were Buddhism developed.(p.73) Samuel further argues that these models may have older antecedents in Indo-Aryan or Indo-European thought:
:"The warrior king model does, though, look like the kind of model of kingship associated with a mobile and originally horse-riding pastoralist population." (p.74)
John S. Strong (1989) gives further information on the cakravartin and the use of the dharmacakra as a Buddhist symbol of the cakravartin, and dates the cakravartin back to "at least the 10th century BC".(p.48)
Let me remind us here again of Samuel's comments on the use of the term "Hinduism" :
:"The establishment of Brahmanical Hinduism as a state religion can be associated above all with the Gupta dynasty in North and Central India (c. 320-c. 510 CE). I use the term 'Brahmanical Hinduism' here, because I think that if we want to use the term Hinduism at all before the nineteenth century then this is the point at which we can reasonably start using it." (Samuel 2010 p.195)
Also Samuel on the discernment of "separate religions":
:"To an anthropologist like myself, at least, it comes fairly naturally to argue for a wider and more inclusive understanding of religion, and to see Brahmanical Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism as variant developments from a shared basis of relationships to the problems of everyday life [...] In arguing for the fundamental commonality of the Indic religious background (a very different position, it should be added, from seeing Buddhism merely as a development from or a reaction to 'Hinduism', which is a position that by now has hopefully lost any scholarly respectability it may once have had)" (Samuel 2010 p.13)
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 22:26, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we don't really need dating here about it, it will become WP:Undue, because this article is limited with buddhism, you may add hinduism, but you will have to also add that its series of Hinduism, then even Jainism(see the talk page's projects). Once the former issues are over, I will definitely look into this one. Bladesmulti (talk) 02:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I don't know if we have to add this info; this is about cakravartin, not dharmacakra. It gives some more background-info. But they are related, and it gives a hint. Anyway, read again what Samuel writes about 'distinct religions': according to him, they have a shared background; reducing one to the other makes no sense, according to Samuel. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:20, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vedic/Indo-European origins 

message: "Dharmcakra" should be "Dharmachakra", "Dhamachakra" has 4 times higher search results than "Dharmcakra". Bladesmulti (talk) 10:10, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess you're right, but let's leave it for the moment. There's been enough going on at this page for the moment. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:09, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Spam is most likely not allowed on Wikipedia. This is not a social networking site. --174.19.181.117 (talk) 19:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title change 

message: It doesn't work. It creates an N. --174.19.181.117 (talk) 19:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Unicode Given On This Wikipedia Page 

message: More ancient, 
On page found, attributed to Wikimedia Commons:
http://www.religionfacts.com/dharma-wheel 
Here's the wheel as shown on click-through
http://religion.imgix.net/927/147729.jpg?fit=max&w=400&s=047772e7b77561e3736847c8b2fcd2ad
Note the eight spokes and ox-cart design of this wheel.    Could relate to dukkha, one translation for which is hub uncentered.  This representation suggests that if any of the 8 factors in the Eightfold path is shorted, the result will be a dukkha, rather than sukha (translatable as smooth movement along the road, equanimity.)  The deer looking on are a traditional depiction of the deer hearing the Buddha's delivery of the first sutta at Deer Park.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdcntx (talk • contribs) 02:09, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another wheel 

message: I see Konark temple being used as an example of hindu usage. The article should point out that Odisha was formerly buddhist and underwent a religious transformation.
Also, 
"The idea of a great king being associated with turning the "Wheel of Dharma" is something which is shared by Buddhism and Hinduism. In the Vishnu Purana and Bhagavata Purana, two kings named Jadabharata of the Hindu solar and lunar dynasties respectively are referred to as "chakravartins" (wheel turning kings)."
The reference only mentions a story about that king being called a chakravartin. This is an article about Dharmachakra, not chakravartin. 
And
In the Bhagavad Gita, verses 14, 15 and 16, of Chapter 3 speaks about the revolving wheel thus: "From food, the beings are born; from rain, food is produced; rain proceeds from sacrifice (yagnya); yagnya arises out of action; know that from Brahma, action proceeds; Brahma is born of Brahman, the eternal Paramatman. The one who does not follow the wheel thus revolving, leads a sinful, vain life, rejoicing in the senses."
Again, this has nothing to do with Dharmachakra.
Witchilich (talk) 15:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The hindu usage of dharmachakra is in places which were formerly buddhist and underwent religious transformation