Talk:Monte Cristo sandwich

message: "Much of its popularity and mystique stems from being a featured menu item at Disneyland's Blue Bayou Restaurant." Huh? Do sandwiches have a mystique? Does anyone associate Disneyland with sandwiches?
Drollison
The run-on sentences. Ah, the horror! The horror! 68.0.166.65 (talk) 03:58, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mystique

message: Can someone please remove the chowhound reference?  It links to a 404 and I don't know how to edit references.  Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.157.133.182 (talk) 21:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Putting sliced turkey or chicken into a Monte Cristo sandwich is a regional variation, NOT the original.  As noted in the second reference at the bottom of the Wikipedia page, What's Cooking America, the history of the Monte Cristo goes back to the 1930s under another name and it was eaten in California throughout the 1950s, before Disneyland's restaurant featured it -- but it's still a French croque-monsieur (grilled ham and Swiss cheese) that is dipped in egg batter like French toast and fried.  This is the base from which all regional variations deviate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrtraska (talk • contribs) 17:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Turkey 

message: I disagree that one can say that the Monte Cristo is based on a Croque Monsieur (created c. 1910 in Paris); this cannot be born out by dates. The earliest American print awareness of a Croque Monsieur that I am know of dates from 1943. The Monte Cristo sandwich dates back to at least 1923, 20 years earlier.
To say that only ham can be used is misplaced enthusiasm perhaps. Recipes since at least the early 1950s have not only admitted the use of cold, sliced poultry (chicken or turkey), but encouraged it, as a way to use up leftovers, particularly after various high holidays. To dismiss those meats as just a "regional variation" would be odd, given that we have no defined, documented region of origin for the sandwich in the first place.
One may prefer turkey; one may prefer ham; one may prefer a combination of both: but whatever one's personal preferences, facts and common usage are what they are.
In any event, I won't engage in edit wars.
Randal Oulton (talk) 00:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the ones that I've had (and its been decades since I've seen one on a restaurant menu anywhere) had both ham and turkey (along with swiss) with the whole sandwich batter dipped and deep fried. They usually were served sprinkled with powdered sugar and a dollop of cherry or strawberry pie filling (or something very much like it) on top.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.160 (talk) 12:16, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes Turkey, Chicken, or Ham 

message: I wanted to open this question for Kintetsubuffalo and the group at large, because i'm not sure how Wikipedia's guidelines apply to this situation.
As near as i can tell from a quick Google search, there are definite inconsistencies on Monte Cristo recipes.  Some include both ham and turkey, while some include only one of the two.  Similarly, if one googles "monte carlo sandwich", one finds a similar set of recipes under that name.  Some specify the Monte Carlo as the turkey variation of the ham-only Monte Cristo, while others seem to barely differentiate between the two.
While Wikipedia clearly states that articles should NOT be founded on original research, it also states that citable secondary sources (e.g. food magazines/websites and notable recipe books/websites) are acceptable sources.  I cannot find a source that explicitly states the identicality or distinction of the two sandwiches, but in sum, several acceptable sources clearly complete the picture that both sandwiches are neither clearly defined nor clearly distinct from each other.
What the is proper course in this case?  Do we cite all sources and then write the article to indicate the multiple versions of the sandwich attributed to both names?  This would seem most appropriate to me, assuming that no single authoritative source can be found.
Before proceeding with such an edit, however, i wanted to solicit the feedback of others watching this article.  Any recommendations here on how best to proceed in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines?
Thanks to all for the willingness to discuss.  Best,
An Earthshine (talk) 15:27, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monte Cristo vs. Monte Carlo (and the Turkey-vs.-Ham Question) 

message: Why is it called a Monte Cristo? Thank you, Maikel (talk) 14:02, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Name