Talk:17th Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)

message: I offer no opinion on the neutrality or veracity of this article or quote.
That being said, I want to point out that this quote is full of errors both with respect to spelling and grammar. There is no credit given to the translator. Bobby1011 16:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar 

message: Now the article moves from the ridiculous to the sublime. I have deleted the last contribution about the geographical "origins" of this division and that being relevant to its participation in alleged war crimes. It's POV in extremis. Why don't you throw in some references, if you can (anonymous editor, who just happened to "stumble upon this article")? Is this an encyclopedia or a radio talk show? Ask yourself that question, when a military historian comes to this article for objective information about the subject. Keep that in mind. Dr. Dan 14:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But notice that there were even some Nazis in the Wehrmacht (hard to believe ?) - it was NAZI Germany who built the Wehrmacht ! How do YOU explain the fact that among some divisions right in this division's area such a war crime occured - a "own initiative"-action ? --[[18. Febr. 2006]
Can someone translate this anonymous editor's point in relation to either, the article, or the discussion page? Dr. Dan 16:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Radio Talk Show?

message: It's getting long, so I'm breaking it up. Molobo, please explain what you just said in your last entry. You included alx-pl's quote to me, and then made absolutely no sense whatsoever. Can anyone please give a geographical idea of where Złoczew is located in Poland, what would be the nearest largest city or what Wojowódstwo is it in? Dr. Dan 00:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is explained in the Polish Wikipedia article :pl:Złoczew. This is a town 23 km south of Sieradz in the current powiat sieradzki, województwo łódzkie. Here is a map with the town. alx-pl D 09:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Breaking up the Length

message: Where has this testimony been established as fact? Why is her testimony more reliable than German testimony concerning Bromberg Bloody Sunday? Dr. Dan 00:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction in point Pan Molobo, you show us where professor Kulesza made any statement that the 17th GID committed your not his allegations that you have falsely put it this article about the division. I'm not claiming he has falsified anything. Only that you have. I'm claiming that he is recounting allegations made by others, and cataloging them in the IPN. Give us the exact line that Kulesza accuses this Division and an English translation, and not only will I back off, but I'll support your position. How's that? Dr. Dan 02:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Need an article on Helena Modrzewska

message: Of either deletion of atrocities or extreme poor Polish skills of our "Dr".
 Po skończonym nalocie żołnierze niemieccy z 17 dyw. piechoty rozstrzelali 10 chłopów polskich.
After air attack german soldiers from 17th Infantry Division executed 10 Polish peasents.
I expect the usuall comments like :"Was it on Earth ? It doesn't say it was on Earth, maybe it was on Mars ? Dr.Dan"
--Molobo 14:48, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another case

message: I just scanned over the looooong discussion above in amazement... I just had a humble suggestion about additional references, and composition.
* composition: There is a strong focus on the war crimes, and all that is written is of great importance. In terms of military history, I would be interested to also see more details about its deployments. 
* references: I wanted to add additional references but I fear it will get shredded to bits in some gigantic discussion as above. I post it here for now and if there aren't too many objections then I will insert it in a week or so (unless somebody else does).
:References suggested: 
:Durch die Hölle des Krieges, Erinnerungen eines deutschen Soldaten der 17. Infanterie Division in der Schlacht um Stalingrad. Edgar Klaus, 438 pages. 
:(newer version: Klaus, Edgar: Durch die Hölle des Krieges, Erinnerungen eines deutschen Unternehmers an Stalingrad, Gefangenschaft und Wiederaufbau. Berlin 1991, 438 Pages).
:Die Geschichte der 17. Infanterie-Division. Festschrift zum Treffen 1958 in Nürnberg.
(Thank you Feldgrau.com) --Carboxen 23:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, the article desperately needs expansion. Both the war-time history, the composition and even the armament need more attention from someone who has sources at hand. //Halibutt 07:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure how to use the citation mechanism yet so I refrained from just editing the code for insertion of these above references. Hopefully I will get to learning it soon, unless somebody else wants to volunteer to amend these references. Hi Halibutt, some of it is available in secondary compilations, such as Feldgrau, including reference to the original sources. I am not sure if I will get to it any time soon (anybody welcome). Thank you for caring and responding! --Carboxen 16:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  humble suggestion 

message: Back to square one? Or back two spaces? Interestingly user: Molobo, who keeps reverting the fact that the accusations against this division are allegations, insists that the unproven war crime allegations against this division, largely brought forth by the authorities of Communist Poland, are valid, but the crimes commited during the episode at Bloody Sunday that took place at virtually the same time, are "allegations". Any outside opinions? Dr. Dan (talk) 23:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definitions 

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thread_title:  Dead link