Talk:LazyTown/Archive 2

message: Do not list one-off characters if they are not notable guest stars and do not affect the plot of the series; affecting only the plot of one episode is not reason to be listed. Please see [this Village Pump discussion]. Kat, Queen of Typos 16:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Do not list one-off characters

message: Hey, I found a really good thesis that seems to (professionally) document quite a bit of the merchandising history for LazyTown and even goes into some detail about the origins of LazyTown. It reads kind of dry since it's really an analysis of intellectual property laws, but it seems like a really valuable resources. Any wiki-experts want to tell me if this is a valid resource for a reference? I was looking for a source that talks about the sale of LazyTown brand fruits in Iceland (something I definitely remember reading about on-line and certainly worth mentioning) and this appears to do it:
http://www.handels.gu.se/epc/archive/00005104/01/200637.pdf
Anyway, if someone determines this is a reliable source, I'll help integrate some of the content into the article. Skip straight to the case study. :) Mikeliveshere 10:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merchandising/References 

message: Okay, we know that Stephanie is 8 and Julianna is really 15.  Julianna's birthday is on her page.  IMO, the fact that the actress is older than the character she's playing does not really belong in this article - many, many actors and actresses play characters that are a different age than their own. Kat, Queen of Typos 00:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The phrasing when referring to Stephanie should be "She" not "The character". It's common knowledge to anyone who knows the show or Julianna that she is twice the age (almost) of the character.
Ispy1981 23:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I know, it's just people are driving me crazy adding "she's really 15." I'll change it back. Kat, Queen of Typos 00:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephanie's Age vs Julianna's Age

message: We need more info and screenshots of them. This Youtube Playlist has a large number of clips from the original live-action Icelandic versions. I feel that since these came about LONG before the modern TV show, they deserve to be included with detailed information. Coolgamer 00:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Icelandic Play Versions 

message: What is the original language of transmssion of Lazytown in Iceland?  Several actors & puppeteers are english language natives, yet Iceland obvously has Icelandic as its native language.  Is it transmitted in English with subtitles or dubbed into Icelandic for the home population?  I know many of the Scandinavian countries have a very high ratio of the population who speak excellent English, but as a children's show I wondered how this was treated.
If anyone knows, it might be worth adding to the main article. Groovycathers 07:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to ask this same thing. I have also seen this show dubbed into different english accents, I have seen an american and a british. Does anyone know which language/accent are the original voices of the actors? Mloren 08:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is dubbed into Icelandic. The actors who play Sportacus and Robbie Rotten both provide dubs in Icelandic. Ziggy's voice actor also knows Icelandic. The rest of the characters are dubbed into Icelandic by other voice actors. Xizer 07:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Transmission Language 

message: I swear those puppets were used by some french people before.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.235.155.123 (talk • contribs) 
::The puppets for the series were created by Wit Puppets, specifically for this series. They were not used by anyone prior to the show. HamatoKameko 01:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  puppets 

message: Many editors are add to the article the issue that Stephanie (the character) is a phenomenon on YTMND and other sites. (This is also added to Stephanie (LazyTown) article.) Other editors revert this because there are no reliable sources (as per WP policy) doing articles about the phenomenon. Some have argued that anything can gather a following on YTMND, while others argue that inclusion of the information is important. 
:My personal opinion is that I don't see how the YTMND information improves the article at all. I am not the only editor who has reverted this information, although other editors may have given up on it because it is constantly readded. Kat, Queen of Typos 17:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree; my opinion is that Wikipedia should be as informative as possible and, therefore, this article should have a section on LazyTown's Internet phenomenon/cult status. Although policy states that information should have reliable sources, policy also states that when this gets in the way of improving the encyclopaedia, it should be ignored. Insofar as the content being against WP:VER, the policy states that "Material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a reliable source". No-one who has ever done a search for LazyTown on Youtube or YTMND (or visited /gif/ on 4chan a few times - something I would advise against ;) ) would challenge the assertion that it has a cult following. D4g0thur 03:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is, anything can gain a "cult following" on YTMND, but we can wait for third-party comments. Kat, Queen of Typos 00:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps I should summarise my point too... In short: LazyTown's cult following across YTMND, 4chan and YouTube (Note: not just YTMND) is large enough to validate a section on it. D4g0thur 02:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: "And why can't you just use the pages/videos themselves as the sources?" - That, my friend, is the crux of the matter; some editors feel this is acceptable and others feel that it constitutes original research. So, the primary purpose of this RfC is for community input as to whether or not doing so is WP:OR. I take it you believe using the pages/videos is acceptable. D4g0thur 17:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely.  Sources are not limited to text.  I've seen many pages on this site that cite television broadcasts and what have you.  "The websites YouTube and YTMND have posted video of Stephanie doing things, which when taken out of context, seem perverse."  Link to the site/video.  I'm not so sure that the "no original research" thing really flies here.  Granted one cannot say that these videos are a sign of lolita syndrome or something similar without being an expert in abnormal sexual psychology, but you do not need a degree to prove that such sites do in fact exist.JBHughes 22:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do I deny these sites exist? No. Do I think the phenomenon is widespread enough to warrant major attention from a news site, or even inclusion in an encyclopedic article? No. Kat, Queen of Typos 23:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The existence of these sites is evidence of LazyTown's Internet phenomenon status, so it the argument cannot be that it is not an Internet phenomenon. Hence, what we are debating is whether something being an Internet phenomenon is notable or not. I say it is notable that a children's show has a large cult following (with people well above its target audience) on the Internet. D4g0thur 09:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The existence of these sites is not evidence of LazyTown's "Internet phenomenon status", insofar as on Wikipedia evidence == reliable sources.  You as the editor are drawing the conclusion that because instances of LazyTown are frequent on sites such as YouTube and YTMND, that confers "phenomenon status" upon it.  Now, based on what you believe, you may do research to see if there are any reliable bodies or publications of research on this to back up your beliefs.  Until then, it is original research based on personal interpretation of available factoids.Think of it this way, as the article stands now it effectively says: "Because several popular internet sites have x-number of referential content based on LazyTown, User:D4g0thur believes this makes it an internet phenomenon."  However, what an article needs to say is: "This publication and this cultural study determined that because of the high proliferation of LazyTown referential content on sites such as YouTube and YTMND, it constitutes an internet phenomenon." argues that other articles use primary sources, so that shouldn't prohibit their usage here.  However, primary sources may only be used as sources for facts, not interpretations of those facts.  Yes, you may cite a YouTube search to say that x-number of LazyTown-related videos exist; but not to say what, if anything, that number means.  By themselves, primary sources are only for undisputed fact citing, not for any interpretations.  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 16:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rules against interpreting facts do not apply to instances where those facts are blindingly obvious. If, as in this case, any reasonable person could draw the stated conclusion given these primary sources, there is no good reason not to include the section. D4g0thur 06:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't find any exception to policy for the "blindingly obvious"?  Further, where is the criteria that 0.0005% of YouTube's videos being on the same relative topic constitutes a "blingingly obvious" "internet phenomenon"?  The policy against original research is, however, "blindingly clear": "An edit counts as original research if it [...] introduces an argument, without citing a reputable source for that argument, that purports to refute or support another idea, theory, argument, or position; [or] introduces an analysis or synthesis of established facts, ideas, opinions, or arguments in a way that builds a particular case favored by the editor, without attributing that analysis or synthesis to a reputable source"  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 16:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have to say, I agree with those that argue against the use of these sites to prove any internet phenomenon. I don't think ANY serious encyclopedia would include "information" from sites such as 4chan or YTMND. I've never seen anything from 4chan, but from word of mouth, it doesn't necessarily contain material that would be considered encyclopedic. I HAVE seen YTMND and, by and large,no...just no... If we are arguing that there is an internet phenomenon going on with the show and the fact that it has reached a fan base older than its target audience, which I'm sure can be found through printed material, argue it with sites devoted specifically to the show and its actors. Examples: the IMDB page of LazyTown, which is visited by people from teens to 40-year-olds, or (link redacted because spam filter is causing an error when editing this page RainbowOfLight Talk 02:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: OK it seems obvious that no-one is going to allow the use of YTMND or YouTube as references; however, after looking at what Ispy1981 said, I don't think that actually matters anymore. I saw that (link redacted because spam filter is causing an error when editing this page RainbowOfLight Talk 02:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I have removed the "Internet Phenomenon" section from the Stephanie article, replacing it with a new section entitled "Popularity outside of target age group" which links back to this section which I added to the LazyTown article. The section says that LazyTown has received some popularity amongst older audiences and cites the two sources mentioned above as well as another relevant source. I tried to make sure it is not in any way POV or OR so, hopefully, there will be no problems with it. D4g0thur 05:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Comments

message: This section needs better sourcing.  IMDB usercomments are not reliable sources for anything.  The fact that a fan site has a 18+ section isn't exactly solid sourcing for the statement "In particular, Stephanie and, thus, Julianna Rose Mauriello, have received popularity amongst older audiences" either.--Isotope23 talk 16:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to be offline for a bit, until this afternoon, but I wanted to get this in before. I think this section should go, unless there are articles which specifically state that there is a popular demographic amongst "older people". You could check the Nielsen ratings, but I'm afraid those might be skewed by the fact that parents are watching this show with there kids. A check of the history of Nielsen ratings for teenagers watching the show could provide proof, if such a check could be done. I've come up short, article-wise, as most articles cite the target demographic.--Sethacus 17:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to pull the section pending better sourcing.  Actually, even a nielsen rating cite showing a demographic of adults could be incorporated and would be better than the current cites; the section would just need to be worded so it isn't saying more than the sources allow it to reasonably claim.--Isotope23 talk 17:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Kat, Queen of Typos 21:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm agreed on this, as well. As I said here, if Nielsens could be found for the ranges of, say 13 and up, I think that would be sufficient enough to warrant re-inclusion. However, in the event that that happens, I'd like to suggest the section be reworded, so that it focuses on the show, not Julianna. I've been running that sentence over in my mind, and there's still something vaguely about that statement that hints at the pedophilic (or now ephebophilic) following she's received. I've been a fan of hers (fairly well-known, somewhat tolerated) for going on two years, and I'm not stupid enough to deny that following. I've seen quite a bit of bizarre behavior, ranging from obscene YTMND posts to out-and-out stalking of her, both on and offline, by known pedophiles and convicted sex offenders. However, I don't feel that is encyclopedic and, therefore, the statement about her having an older following is not needed.--Sethacus 01:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't been very active over the last month or two so didn't notice this... if someone could elaborate on this "Nielsen rating" and tell me where to find it, I'd be happy to look there for sources. Lack of sources has been a major problem for this whole issue for quite a while, maybe the "Nielsen rating" could help remedy that. D4g0thur 03:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Popularity outside of target age group

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for [[:Image:ROBBY ROTTEN AS A PIRATE.JPG]]

message: The filming section says "£500,000" and the next section detailing the live show says when describing the tv show "Each 25-minute episode costs £500,000, making it probably the most expensive children’s television in the world."[5]" I realize one is in british pounds and the other dollars is there a conversion for this. Is this contradictory? Is the amount needed in the live show section with similar yet different info in the section above? ideas? --Xiahou 01:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the current rate of conversion, 1 British pound is worth a little more than 2 US Dollars, so, while those figures may not be exact (I doubt each episode costs EXACTLY a million US), they are pretty accurate.--Sethacus 15:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: £500,000 or $1,000,000

message: By this point, there has been a musical play in Argentina (http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache: Pf8SBmEY0wMJ:www.mazcue.com.ar/lazy-town-en-argentina-teatro-o), and will be/is a UK show . I see no information on this currently, other than an external link for TicketMaster. If someone could update this article with information on these shows (as I have none myself, other than the fact that they exist), I would be much obliged. 76.235.65.92 02:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has a whole section on the live show already. Kat, Queen of Typos 02:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: LazyTown Live!

message: I think the article would be improved with some actual information about the live show, rather than just a media blurb. Kat, Queen of Typos 04:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live Show section 

message: Due to recent edits regarding the number of episodes aired, I checked out the sourcing in the article. It seems two of the links are outdated (48 instead of,now, 53 episodes) and a third being a deadlink (which I will remove). With the show ongoing, and with a highly probable third season, wouldn't it behoove us to have a reliable,updated source for this?--Sethacus 17:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of eps 

message: "(In other countries, the cast is changed - for example, Stephanie is played by a puppet.)[citation needed] "
is this actually true? You'd think the countries where Stephanie is a puppet would at least be mentioned if it were. 71.228.132.242 10:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't make the edit, but I have seen screenshots where Stephanie is a puppet. Sorry, but I don't know where the screenshots were from. RainbowOfLight Talk 14:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought you had. Ha, my mistake. I do remember seeing a puppet Stephanie on Guðmundur Þór Kárason's site. Whether or not it's used in other countries, IDK. To my knowledge, they use the original filmed version (i.e. with Julianna) in most, if not all markets, with different, dubbed voices, naturally.--Sethacus 17:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  can anyone confirm? 

message: I would like to see a list of lazy town songs on the lazy town page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omgtkkyb1992 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songs 

message: There seems to be a complete lack of any visual information on this page as to how the show actually appears (which is hilariously, by the way). I wanted to say that I found two images, although small, of posters two of the characters: Stephanie & Sportacus. I suggest we use them. 
--  (t|c) 19:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:Fair Use Unacceptable Images RainbowOfLight Talk 19:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Character images

message: Ziggy's favorite is taffy, not toffee, which is a different confection entirely. Toffee is a caramal-colored candy sometimes containing nuts or raisins; taffy is a brightly colored, fluffy and sometimes fruit-flavored candy. If it is referred to as "toffee" in the British or any other dubbing of the show, please feel free to note it, but please don't replace "taffy" with "toffee."  --HamatoKameko (talk) 01:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ziggy: Taffy Vs. Toffee 

message: Why is Ziggys alter ego mentioned and not Stephenies? -G
:Sportacandy is a repeat character. Stephanie only acts as Sportacus for one episode. It has been previously agreed upon that characters that only appear in one episode and are never mentioned again are non-notable. RainbowOfLight Talk 20:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: If Sportacandy gets his own mention, so should SportaStephenie

message: So when i search "iceland" and "Lazytown" i only get the english version of LazyTown & everywhere i look that seems to be the case so either the Icelalandic "LazyTown" has subtitles or was made for american viewers 
And i went to the Julianna wiki page and it says she speaks Icelandic yet in an icelandic interview the host talk to her in english so i dont believe she speaks it and i may rewrite that in her wiki page but i figured since im talking about it some fan might go about doing that so i dont have too
Anyways, i guess i dont know what i was asking but you guys are smarter than me can make arguments about this but then again this is a kiddie show so i dont know, i just seen the LazyTown Song with them dancing around and so i thought i'd look up more on it & maybe the info i bring can better this page & the other pages related to it ChesterTheWorm (talk) 16:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The show was filmed in Iceland in English for American viewers.  It is also, however, dubbed in many other languages, including Icelandic, for other regions around the world.  I also think I know the interview to which you are referring, and if it's the one I'm thinking of, Julianna was still just 13 and had only lived in Iceland for several months so she could only speak a little Icelandic at the time.  I have no idea how fluent she is in Icelandic to date, but that interview is much too old to suggest that she can't currently speak the language.  Basterisk (talk) 01:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icelandic???? 

message: should it be mentioned that someone has made a mash up of that lazytown song and one of lil jon's songs? video Mallerd (talk) 15:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not, unless a reliable source does a story on the video. Otherwise it's just fancruft. RainbowOfLight Talk 20:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, got it. Mallerd (talk) 15:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WHAT?!!129.139.1.68 (talk) 19:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  lil jon and lazytown 

message: I noticed that in the first part of the page it states the show has never aired in the US, than right below talks about how it aired on nick Jr. in the US.  Can someone confirm one or the other?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.199.43.218 (talk) 23:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The intro says "LazyTown Extra has never been broadcast in the United States."  LazyTown Extra is a spinoff series for toddlers -- a different show from the original LazyTown, which indeed premiered on Nick Jr in the US.  No contradiction here; they're two different beasts.  AtticusX (talk) 03:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I've just moved the sentence down to the "LazyTown Extra" section, where it is more relevant. AtticusX (talk) 05:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Correction?

message: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=is&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmbl.is%2Fmm%2Ffolk%2Ffrettir%2F2010%2F02%2F13%2F800_vilja_verda_solla_stirda%2F
about 800 people  have taken part in the auditions 
can some add this to the article it also seems likely  that production of new episodes will start suen 
as in the news article it stats that  Tremendous interest is clearly to play Sollu but Magnus intends to remain in the role íþróttaálfsins.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.197.195.27 (talk) 12:51, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stephanie is being replaced 

message: According to Knowyourmeme.com, One of the LazyTown's episodes, Rottenbeard was noted on the internet for the "You are a Pirate song" and has been used in many Youtube remixes. Should we add this show under the Internet meme category? 81.156.137.132 (talk) 01:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing this question to the talk page. I think the song and accompanying footage from that part of the episode, not the entire TV series, constituted the Internet meme.  If there was a page specifically about the song, I think that would belong in the Internet meme category. But this article obviously covers a broader topic than just the song, and the category doesn't really apply to it as a whole. AtticusX (talk) 09:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Internet meme

message: playhouse disney and tv 2 have aired it in addition to disney channel. disney channel stopped airing it after dropping the entire playhouse disney block.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.86.142 (talk) 21:42, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  where it have aired in norway 

message: I do understand that my inserted text could have seemed to be spam, but I cannot agree that only one app can be present in the app list, and any others are considered as spam. I think this information is relevant to any users that are interested in LazyTown, and these links shouldn't be ignored or removed. In fact, all of the apps should be added. I only managed to find one more app, which has only one screenshot, no reviews or description and it's developers' website is for sale. That would leave only two apps and two developers you can find information about. I'm not sure why couldn't new links be inserted. I even thought it would be relevant to write a paragraph about LazyTown mobile apps, but I didn't find any suitable place in the article to do so. Sorry, if I'm a little irrelevant, it's just that I'm new to editing in Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Begemootas (talk • contribs) 22:05, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to LazyTown apps

message: The opening of the article states the programme has an all CGI cast. The citation is a dead link but this is contradicted later in the article when it says it's a mix of live action, cgi, puppets. Plus, from what little I've seen of the show, I think the latter section is correct. If people agree can someone delete this statement please. GoddersUK (talk) 13:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It actually said it was an "all CGI Cast" (gotta love the random capitalization) and crew "made of chocolate". Two edits by the same editor. Simple vandalism. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:00, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  All CGI?