Talk:No More "I Love You's"

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:No more i love 2 - annie lennox.jpg

message: If the song is "No More "I Love You's"" then shouldn't the page be under No More "I Love You's"? SKS2K6 (talk) 17:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:The Lover Speaks - No More "I Love You"'s (single).jpg

message: The sentence "It is often heard in department stores in the United States." seems silly and isn't cited or anything.  Is there any problem removing it? Ccheever (talk) 07:04, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  US dept. stores? 

message: both links for 'Whiter Shade of Pale' are to the original instead of the cover/single...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.78.166.161 (talk) 19:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  links 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. This was a tough one! Open for over a month! There were good MOS and policy-based arguments on both sides. Ambiguity in policies is typically resolved by consensus, and ultimately consensus was in favor of the move. Anyone who vehemently disagrees with my assessment as an uninvolved editor should feel free to re-open or do a third RM at some point down the road. (non-admin closure) Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 18:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No More 'I Love You's →  – The page should be at what the actual title of the song is, not Wikipedia's attempt to fix the grammar of the song's title. The song was released with an apostrophe there. jp×g 21:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

text: This is a contested technical request (permalink). Sam Sailor 22:04, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with * Support or * Oppose,then sign your comment with . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Move to No More 'I Love You's'.  Double quotes are not used in article titles. 162 etc. (talk) 16:20, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a bit unclear on my part.  I believe there was a Simpsons-related RM which touched on this a couple months ago, although I can't find it right now.  Essentially, since the title of a song (or episode) is enclosed in double quotes, then the internal quotes should be single quotes.  As in "Marge Simpson in: 'Screaming Yellow Honkers'", or "No More 'I Love You's'". 162 etc. (talk) 18:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the principle and it is I think consistent with the general spirit of our naming policies and practices, for example Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks. It may not be explicit in policy yet. But perhaps it should be? Andrewa (talk) 07:05, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is discussed at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Typographic_effects:  However, this is only relevant to how the title of the song should be rendered in prose. I don't think it follows that the article title should use single quotes. i.e. I don't see any reason to pretend there are virtual double quotation marks enclosing the title. Marge Simpson in: 'Screaming Yellow Honkers' was moved to its current title in May via RM/TR using this rationale, but before that it had always been at the title with double-quotes, and the footnote at MOS:TITLE still links to it by that name. In fact, I think the wording of that footnote makes it very clear that the MoS should not be read as requiring that article titles for minor works must always use single rather than double quotes:  Colin M (talk) 19:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Ping  who made an edit to use the single quotation mark in May. Were you behind this RM? 162 etc. (talk) 16:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. The requested move can be found here. As I stated in the request, the change was pursuant to MOS:QWQ; as pointed out above, TV episodes are always in double quotation marks (MOS:NOITALIC) and as such, the internal quotation marks should be single. Sdrqaz (talk) 23:04, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so this was done at WP:RMT, which is why there was no discussion.  I agree User:Sdrqaz's interpretation, and think it also applies to the above RM.  162 etc. (talk) 01:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

text: The issues for the Knights Who Say "Ni!" seem a bit different. The RM only discussed whether quote marks should be used around "Ni!" or not, but did not discuss whether they should be single or double quote marks. Also, the article says that its subject is the group of knights, not a creative work that has "Knights Who Say 'Ni! as its title. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 2 July 2021 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with * Support or * Oppose,then sign your comment with . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Move to No More 'I Love You's'.  Double quotes are not used in article titles. 162 etc. (talk) 16:20, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a bit unclear on my part.  I believe there was a Simpsons-related RM which touched on this a couple months ago, although I can't find it right now.  Essentially, since the title of a song (or episode) is enclosed in double quotes, then the internal quotes should be single quotes.  As in "Marge Simpson in: 'Screaming Yellow Honkers'", or "No More 'I Love You's'". 162 etc. (talk) 18:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the principle and it is I think consistent with the general spirit of our naming policies and practices, for example Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks. It may not be explicit in policy yet. But perhaps it should be? Andrewa (talk) 07:05, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is discussed at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Typographic_effects:  However, this is only relevant to how the title of the song should be rendered in prose. I don't think it follows that the article title should use single quotes. i.e. I don't see any reason to pretend there are virtual double quotation marks enclosing the title. Marge Simpson in: 'Screaming Yellow Honkers' was moved to its current title in May via RM/TR using this rationale, but before that it had always been at the title with double-quotes, and the footnote at MOS:TITLE still links to it by that name. In fact, I think the wording of that footnote makes it very clear that the MoS should not be read as requiring that article titles for minor works must always use single rather than double quotes:  Colin M (talk) 19:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: Curiouser and curiouser. I cannot find the "Marge Simpson in: 'Screaming Yellow Honkers'" RM right now but there does seem to have been one. RM closers are often unapologetically careless when it comes to talk pages. I guess we are all busy. I did find Talk:Marge Simpson in: 'Screaming Yellow Honkers'#Double or single quotation marks, and Talk:Knights Who Say "Ni!"#Requested move 30 April 2019 which I see I closed myself. Watch this space or more research of course welcome. Andrewa (talk) 07:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ping  who made an edit to use the single quotation mark in May. Were you behind this RM? 162 etc. (talk) 16:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. The requested move can be found here. As I stated in the request, the change was pursuant to MOS:QWQ; as pointed out above, TV episodes are always in double quotation marks (MOS:NOITALIC) and as such, the internal quotation marks should be single. Sdrqaz (talk) 23:04, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so this was done at WP:RMT, which is why there was no discussion.  I agree User:Sdrqaz's interpretation, and think it also applies to the above RM.  162 etc. (talk) 01:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

text: The issues for the Knights Who Say "Ni!" seem a bit different. The RM only discussed whether quote marks should be used around "Ni!" or not, but did not discuss whether they should be single or double quote marks. Also, the article says that its subject is the group of knights, not a creative work that has "Knights Who Say 'Ni! as its title. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion