Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Dictionary definitions

message: How about if the "No page with that title exists" message that one gets when looking for a non-existent article were worded slightly differently for searches in which an article does exist on Wikitionary?  It could potentially even give the full Wikitionaty definition, or just a link to it.  This would cut down on the excess dicdef articles by quite a lot. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:42, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ya know what would be nice? 

message: One thought I had, on reading this discussion, was that I often click on wikilinks when I am reading an article, but not just to read an encyclopedia entry for that link. Sometimes I am just not sure what a word or term means, and I just want to read a definition before returning to the main article. Is there a way to do this in Wikipedia? Can you wiktionary link an obscure word that may not have a wikipedia entry, but does have a wikitionary link? Or should you explain the word in the encyclopedia entry? In some cases, explaining in context is best, and in other cases, providing a link is best (some readers need the explanation and will follow the link, others will already know what the word means).
If it is not already possible (please tell me if it is), then it would be great to have wikitionary "in the background" for wikipedia. I've seen some sites where you hover the mouse cursor over a word, and a mouse-up provides a brief definition, or you click to read more about that word or term. But even just a way to tag words with wiktionary links would be great.
Carcharoth 22:11, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defining words in an encyclopedia entry 

message: The Kadavul Vote for delete confuses me.  On one hand, it is a dic def.  On the other hand, the dic def is that it is a name for God.  Granted, it is the tamil name for god, and indeed it is the tamil muslim name for allah if you must be precise, but it is referenced by lots of people all over the world, including hindus in india, people in oman making plays, in america, and so forth.  Whilst it is a dic def, should it be deleted?  We do have an article on god, as well as on all of God's names here.  So should this one remain?
It's in another language (sort of) which confused me a bit as well.  But then again, most tamils can speak English quite well, so it has mixes of both languages in most articles about it. Zordrac 08:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the current version is a mere dictionary definition.  It might be expandable if there were aspects to discuss which were significantly different from the topics discussed at Allah.  The concept of Allah is encyclopedic and is well beyond a mere dicdef.  If, however, there is nothing new to say and this is merely an alternate name for Allah, the correct answer for our encyclopedia is a redirect.  (Which does not preclude also creating it as a Wiktionary entry.)  Rossami (talk) 15:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks.  Well, I rewrote the article (partially) but I stopped myself from going beyond a stub because I realised I didn't know what I was doing.  Sure, I can do google searches and get links and stuff, but it took me a while to figure out that Kadavul meant Allah.  To begin with I thought it was a Hindu word for God.  So I just left it as a stub.  But from what you are saying, it seems to warrant being kept.  The refs that I looked at said enough to suggest its a lot more than just a dictionary definition, and indeed that it seems to have its own independent entity beyond just Allah, because Tamils seem to consider it in a different way.  After all, Indian Hindis were referring to it as Kadavul, whereas they could have easily called it Allah.  There was obviously some reason why they called it Kadavul, and why they have an English-speaking Indian gameshow called Kadavul. I'll vote keep on it thanks for the help. Zordrac 05:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kadavul]]