Talk:Frankfurt (Oder)

message: User User:Ksenon argued on my talk page that mentioning Frankfurt's name in Polish is "plain irrelevant." (Whether the Sorbian language name is more relevant, even though Frankfurt is not a traditional Sorb territory, is another matter, but Ksenon has not removed this.) I think it would be wise to ask others whether we should include or exclude the town's name in Polish. I myself think we should Include it. ProhibitOnions 23:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lusatia_in_Europe.png - I may be wrong, but it seems Fr. is part of Lusatia. As far as the Polish name goes, I dont think theres enough historical or even cultural significance to warrant including the name. There already is a link to Slubice. Ksenon 00:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankfurt is not in the Lausitz. ProhibitOnions 12:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Removed. Lusatia is way south. Ulritz 08:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name in Polish

message: Frankfurt (Oder) → Frankfurt an der Oder — Frankfurt (Oder) is recent German usage, but not English, yet. This short form is variously spelt in German: Frankfurt/Oder and Frankfurt-Oder appear to be common. It is almost unknown in English, except in street addresses. The move to this location appears to have a single !vote; I would have contested then if I'd known. Septentrionalis 15:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add any additional comments:
I've added some references indicating English usage. Septentrionalis 15:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It is indeed read as "Frankfurt Oder". Frankfurt am Main is very rarely called that because it is by far the largest and best-known community called Frankfurt (compare, say, Newcastle Upon Tyne with Newcastle-under-Lyme). Residents of Frankfurt (Oder) generally call their city just "Frankfurt" but saying "Frankfurt (Oder)" is quite common, too, and, for example, this is how it is announced on trains approaching the city.  ProhibitOnions  (T) 09:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  —  AjaxSmack   23:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move to Frankfurt an der Oder

message: Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
====Support Votes====
#Support as nom Frankfurt on the Oder would also be acceptable, as more immediately understandable. Septentrionalis 15:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: #Support as nom Frankfurt on the Oder would also be acceptable, as more immediately understandable. Septentrionalis 15:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support Votes

message: #Oppose. Should respect the local official name, which is now Frankfurt (Oder). The town has no English name.  --Lysytalk 17:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose Votes

message: :Add any additional comments:
I've added some references indicating English usage. Septentrionalis 15:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is indeed read as "Frankfurt Oder". Frankfurt am Main is very rarely called that because it is by far the largest and best-known community called Frankfurt (compare, say, Newcastle Upon Tyne with Newcastle-under-Lyme). Residents of Frankfurt (Oder) generally call their city just "Frankfurt" but saying "Frankfurt (Oder)" is quite common, too, and, for example, this is how it is announced on trains approaching the city.  ProhibitOnions  (T) 09:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  —  AjaxSmack   23:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Frankfurt an der Oder is used by the current editions of
*Encyclopedia Britannica entry
*Encarta entry
*Columbia Encyclopedia entry
which are suggested by Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) Septentrionalis 15:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Vote was 4 to 2 for oppose. --Woohookitty(meow) 06:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move request has been defeated 

message: Today I came over this article and there where two tags warning me there's no neutral point of view. Two... Looks like User:Shanes/Why tags are evil isn't popular enough.
Now let's have a look at these tags. . Some people prefer the official German name, some prefer the old German name, some people might prefer "Frankfurt/Oder", ... just like some people prefer the term football while others prefer the term soccer. Calling this a POV is not exactly clever, neither is changing the name to one's  favourite by referring to WP:NAME.
 --- Wiskey - Tango - Foxtrott ?!?
There's nothing totally disputed. All I see here is a supported move to Frankfurt (Oder) and a opposed move to Frankfurt an der Oder (which is very likely misspelt by a larger group of native English speakers (just like most German people misspell Szczecin and therefor prefer Stettin).
I've rewritten parts of the article which should be a good consensus. I'll request a user block for everone who puts a POV tag into the article because he or she isn't comfortable with the name.
A special message to User:Pmanderson: Behave! You've requested a move to Frankfurt an der Oder which was opposed. After that you've changed the name in the article to "Frankfurt-on-Oder" (You prefer another name now? How comes?), which was reverted for obvious reasons. Your reaction was putting  into the article. Since you don't act like a user who is willing to work in a community, I'll request a permanent ban the next time you'll act in such a bad behaviour. --32X 22:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Is there support for another crack at this? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Considering that ten months passed between the comment and your response, it appears that there isn't any support for re-opening the matter. Unless there's new evidence I don't support revisiting it.  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 10:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some thoughts about the article name 

message: The enormous infobox and the TOC produce, on this machine:
:Frankfurt 
:[ˈfʁaŋkfʊət] 
:is a city in
followed by a vast empty channel. Is this necessary? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Illegible

message: There is a request to move Frankfurt on Main to Frankfurt;  see Talk:Frankfurt am Main#Requested move. 69.3.72.9 (talk) 04:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Frankfurt 

message: There should definitely be added a section listing prominent persons who were born (or who lived at some point) in the town. The most prominent of these should be the greatest dramatist in German history: Heinrich von Kleist. 
Dylanexpert (talk) 01:56, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where Is Kleist? 

message: The infobox tries to use a range for elevation. It fails, because  only supports a single value. If the article used  instead it could use elevation_min_m and elevation_max_m and all would be well, but the specialized template doesn't support those parameters and I can't add them because it's protected. Hairy Dude (talk) 02:42, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The source I removed has, on page 21 (as numbered by the source):
:"Słowino (Schlaffiihnken-See) jez., Szczecin D 3, PU II, 5, r. 1254, Slouimo.
:Słowino [Sławina] (Sehławin) miejsc., łu psk B 3, PU II, 92, r. 1262, Slo1dn.
:Słuch urocz., Słupsk A 4, PU II, 32-0, r. 1276, Słuch.
:Słuchowo (Schloehow), upsk D 1, G, 194, r. 1342, Sulkow, r. 1414 Solchow. Może łu chowo jest wtórną nazwą a SuleeJio,vo pierwotna.
:Słupa (Stolpe) rz., Słupsk C 3, PPU 257, r.1278, Słupa."
No mention of "Słubice". The map which has the Oder only goes as far down as Schwedt (given as "Swiec" [+annoying diacritics]), which is still almost a 100 kilometers north of Frankfurt (see ). As such, the source fails verification and does not support the statement that the town is named in Polish as "Slubice". 198.84.253.202 (talk) 15:45, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It is in the source at the top of page 4 ("Na trzeci zeszyt przeznaczone są odcinki 'Słubice (Frankfurt n. Odrą), oraz ziemie śląskie i łużyckie, na czwarty odcinki". Number 57 17:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Pings don't work for IPs ThreeFour things:
#I don't speak Polish.
#If google translate is right, then it says that the map with Frankfurt is in the "third book" (and this appears to be the first). In such case, the proper source would be the third book (which actually contains the city), not this one which has a trivial mention (and is further counter-intuitive since it's a map but this city isn't on it).
#The page number should have been included in the citation (instead of simply calling the reverts vandalism...)
#After further thought, not only the disputed source but all three of them are still invalid. For the first source, the simple reason is because it's 84yrs old - at the time, Frankfurt was still one city because it wouldn't be divided along the Oder until the Potsdam Conference (i.e. 1945) - as such, the usage of this source to claim that the Polish name "Slubice" is used for the post-1945 western half of the city is as outdated as using a 1933 map to insist that Kaliningrad, Russia (then Koenigsberg, East Prussia) is in Germany. 
The other two sources do not seem to make mention of the fact that Frankfurt (Germany) is a technically distinct town from it's "eastern half", Slubice (Poland), and they are also maps (require interpretation which in this case isn't that obvious), so to some extant WP:SYNTH or NOR apply and render both of them useless too. Also, there is still the pitfall of using sources which are well on their way to being a century old (i.e. both of them date from just after WW2, making them just over 70 yrs old) to establish current (i.e. 2018) Polish usage. I mean, we don't use books which refer to Danzig in reference to historical contexts (before 1945) to argue that the current name of the city is Danzig (we mention it in the article because it is used by most English sources in such contexts, but that is different, being an application of MOS:QUOTENAME). By the same token, we should use modern Polish sources if we want to source the Polish name for Frankfurt. The Polish page, :pl:Słubice, clearly refers to the city in Poland and not to the German city, since the Polish city "forms a cross-border agglomeration together with Frankfurt nad Odrą". If the Polish name was used to refer to both halves, there would be no need to mention the different name for the German half... 198.84.253.202 (talk) 19:05, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

text: Is using the talk page that hard? Do you have any argument why the 1934 source should be kept? 198.84.253.202 (talk) 01:51, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding sources

message: The switch from 1842 to 1942 is remarkable. 2003:DF:1F30:1584:F58A:481E:D103:A27F (talk) 20:28, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  History