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Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-01-07/In the news

message: Danny Wool [was] involved with Wikipedia in the past - User:Danny is still a Wikipedia editor.  Corvus cornixtalk 23:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Danny Wool

message: Not exactly Wikipedia "in the news", but I recently came across the following in a case:
To begin with, it is not clear that internet sources in general, or the ones cited by Mr. Muravnik in particular, are inherently unreliable. Countless contemporary judicial opinions cite internet sources, and many specifically cite Wikipedia. See, e.g., Phillips v. Pembroke Real Estate, Inc., 459 F.3d 128, 133 n.3 (1st Cir. 2006); Reuland v. Hynes, 460 F.3d 409, 422 n.1 (2d Cir. 2006) (Winter, J. dissenting); Allegheny Defense Project, Inc. v. United States Forest Service, 423 F.3d 215, 218 n.5 (3d Cir. 2005); N'Diom v. Gonzales, 442 F.3d 494, 496 (6th Cir. 2006); United States v. Krueger, 415 F.3d 766, 769 (7th Cir. 2005); Bourgeois v. Peters, 387 F.3d 1303, 1312 (11th Cir. 2004); Sacirbey v. Guccione, No. 05 Civ. 2949, 2006 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 64577, 2006 WL 2585561, at *1 n.2 (S.D.N.Y Sept. 7, 2006); Applied Interact, LLC v. Vermont Teddy Bear Co., No. 04 Civ. 8713, 2005 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 19070, 2005 WL 2133416, at *11 (S.D.N.Y Sept. 6, 2005). While citing a website in a judicial opinion is not analytically identical to basing an expert opinion on such a source... the frequent citation of Wikipedia at least suggests that many courts do not consider it to be inherently unreliable. In fact, a recent and highly-publicized analysis in the magazine Nature found that the error rate of Wikipedia entries was not significantly greater than in those of the Encyclopaedia Britannica.  Jim Giles, Internet Encyclopaedias Go Head to Head (Dec. 14, 2005), http://www.nature.com/news/2005/051212/full/438900a.html (finding that "the difference in accuracy was not particularly great: the average science entry in Wikipedia contained around four inaccuracies; Britannica, about three.")) And, indeed, the defendants do not point to any actual errors in the entry cited by Mr. Muravnik. Thus, despite reasonable concerns about the ability of anonymous users to alter Wikipedia entries, the information provided there is not so inherently unreliable as to render inadmissible any opinion that references it.
Alfa Corp. v. Oao Alfa Bank, 475 F. Supp. 2d 357, 361-362 (S.D.N.Y. 2007).
Cheers! bd2412 T 08:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Wikipedia as a court source and Reliability of Wikipedia. Regards, High on a tree (talk) 08:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Case citation
Talk:O tempora, o mores!

message: This page does not appear to be pure vandalism; it includes a Latin quote which is translated, explained, and sourced. (Note:This is assuming that this is an actual quote by Cicero, whom I know nothing about.) The page also explains it's importance or significance, though in an unsourced statement that could certainly be disputed, since I've never this statement used in conversation before. It does have some formatting errors, which I will correct shortly. --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 23:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose Speedy deletion

message: "It is often misquoted as O tempora! O mores!, with the interposition of an additional exclamation point." How can that be a misquote when the original text didn't have punctuation anyway? Seems to me that either one or two exclamations would be acceptable, with two in fact being more natural in English prose.--Valin Kenobi (talk) 04:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Misquote"

message: I intend to change 'ironically' to 'wryly' unless there is a reasoned objection. It would be ironic if the speaker thought the times were actually peaceful, innocent and orderly - that is to say, different to the manifest meaning of the words (as the linked definition of irony supports). This is not at all the usage of this phrase I am familiar with - people usually mean what the words say, literally: a lament about the corruption and injustice of the era. Structurally, the one form of humour this is not, then, is irony. The mood is similar and it does indeed carry a wry, grimly humorous tone, but that is not enough to make it ironic, technically. On the very odd occasion someone might use it to mock over-reactions of the storm-in-a-teacup type, in which case it would be ironic: but in my experience it is almost always used in earnest, albeit with a good dose of black humour about this mess we're in.--Deoxyribonucleic acid trip (talk) 00:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you – I, too, stumbled over "ironically". Since you never returned to make the change, I will implement it myself (per WP:BOLD, it's better to make the change right away to provoke reactions – should there be editors who disagree – instead of waiting for objections before making the change – in which case you typically, in my experience, especially in a little-watched article with an even less-watched talk page, wait forever and a day). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 13:55, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Isn't it ironic? Well no, actually

message: Cicero spoke and wrote in Latin, why is there a greek translation as if that was the original language for that expression? I think it should be deleted, not to confuse readers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danmaz74 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why a Greek translation?
Talk:Raphael Hadane

message: I can't see how this person merits a "High" in Ethiopian studies; despite having read several general surveys, this is the first I've heard of him. so I'm reducing this person to "Mid". -- llywrch (talk) 20:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The article currently reads "In January 2008, Hadane verified that there were engagements between the Ethiopian community in Israel and the African community of America."  It cites this Jerusalem Post article as a reference.  However, the JP article mentions "Rabbi Joseph Hadana, the chief rabbi of the Ethiopian community" but makes no mention of "Raphael Hadane."  If both of these names refer to the same person, then we need a reliable source to indicate this. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 20:55, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed verification

message: It is still confusing (to me) whether the subject of this article is the Chief Ethiopian Rabbi or not.  I found  who identifies the Chief Rabbi as "Yosef Hadane" (compare with "Joseph Hadana" mentioned earlier on this discussion page). No mention of "Raphael," "Rafael" etc.  I can only guess as to whether Raphael Hadane and Joseph Hadana/Yosef Hadane are the same person - if this is the case, then perhaps a page rename and move is warranted. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subject of article
Talk:2005 Pennsylvania General Assembly pay raise controversy

message: I noticed and reverted some edits that may be a conflict of interest.  This one explicitly says "edited by Barbara McIlvaine Smith" (one of the subjects of the section).  The last two (prior to my edit) were edits by Macsmith50 to the very same area, and seemed possibly connected. Superm401 - Talk 10:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible conflicts of interest
Category talk:Ulster County, New York

message: Per placing that "very large" template in this category, I propose to split it up along the same scheme I used for 
. It's too indiscriminate, it's time and I'm certainly responsible for filling this up.
I have to go now, but I will be posting specifics later for anyone to comment on, and hopefully implementing this in the next couple of days. Daniel Case (talk) 23:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Done moving every article that should be in "Communities in ..." into it. Will start the other ones later today as there seem to be no objections. Daniel Case (talk) 14:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: updates
Talk:SPM Shoeters Den Bosch

message: Talk: EiffelTowers - I've found an error on this page. The link on Dean Oliver links to the statistics guy and not the 2001  University of Iowa point guard (who doesn't have a link/page). Link should be removed.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.117.24.61 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments
Talk:Night auditor

message: I was wondering if a hotel has to keep someone here at night in case something goes wrong?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.154.169.68 (talk) 00:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Their insurers would likely require it. In fact, one of my duties as a night auditor was to perform a patrol of the hotel premises while carrying a watch clock Pendragon39 ([[User talk:Pendrago{{}}n39
|talk]]) 01:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: This page is barely sourced, can we make a collective effort to make it better?
:Why not WP:BEBOLD and fix it yourself? I will give it a once over, but it will need people like you to do the research. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 17:52, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: calling all editors
Talk:Suriyenthrathibodi

message: If he's the son of Narai, therefore his descendants (Thai Sa, Borommakot, Uthumphon, and Ekkathat) would've also been part of the Prasat Thong dynasty right? Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 22:31, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The Early life section appears to have been added by Rqiang84 in 2020. It's still unsourced, but cross checking with the Thai Wikipedia, the claim of Suea being an illegitimate son of Narai's appears to come from versions of the Royal Chronicles recompiled in the early Rattanakosin period, over a century later. Suea is pretty much vilified in these compilations (they gave him the name after all), and many historians today tend to treat their claims with scepticism. The article should be adjusted to qualify the claims about his birth as such. In any case, even if the claim were to be accepted at face value, as an illegitimate child he wouldn't be considered a member of the dynasty, nor would his progeny, at least according to European views of the concept. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why isn't Suriyenthrathibodi considered part of the Prasat Thong dynasty?
Talk:Army of the Ethiopian Empire

message: I intend to concentrate on the 1935-41 period but this could be expanded forward to the end of the modern period and backward to the 19th century and beyond if anyone has the information. Asiaticus (talk) 23:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: . You can perform the merge and redirect yourself. WP:MERGE should help you out. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: I would have preferred the tag "...that in the Korean War, the Ethiopian Army fought for the first time outside of Africa in almost 1500 years?" -- llywrch (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Did you know nomination

message: Unfortunately most of the sites with the photo have been taken down, but I get the strong feeling that the picture in the infobox isn't modern - from the few sources that are up, I've found that it's probably a 1931 autochrome photo by W. Robert Moore of National Geographic. One of the photos in the collection, from an official Nat Geo Tumblr.
The [link].  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henryx6 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ethiopian reenactors" 
Talk:Alogliptin

message: The double bond is missing from the structure of alogliptin. The correct structure is shown:
http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=11450633&loc=ec_rcs --Tanevala (talk) 13:07, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Meanwhile fixed. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 09:41, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Double bond

message: AFAIK Only alogliptin benzoate is approved for medical use. Can we add an explanation of the benzoate form and say if it is ionic or covalent and what its solubility is ? - Rod57 (talk) 12:19, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should mention benzoate chemistry
Talk:Maria Isakova

message: Maria was born in 1920, not in 1918.
From the "sweet sixteen" Link:
"They asked Maria to train for the championship at Moscow, but she wouldn't hear of it. She was afraid that she would make a fool of herself in a competition like that where all the best female skaters of the country started. But at last she yielded and promised to go. Thus, she came to Dynamo Stadium for the first time. To be allowed to start at all, she had to lie about her age. She was only fifteen years old, and you had to be 17." Dirk P Broer (talk) 23:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthday
Talk:United Kingdom company law

message: Obviously this is all stubby and the links need to be put into sentences. But it's a start, and I hope to make it a really good page. It's surprising how much information I've been able to find in various places, dotted around on random pages. Together it's quite substantial. Particular good is the Board of directors page, written mostly I think by User:Legis. There's plenty more yet to go, and it'll be useful to have a purely UK source. There isn't anything approaching a decent page on any other country's company laws yet. This should be the first. Wikidea 11:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion

message: Please paste any ideas, criticism or corrections below, or if you'd like to get in touch with me, go to my talk page or email me. Wikidea 00:51, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments welcome 

message: New cases and sources (please add suggestions!):
*Listing Rules, "(i) a five–year time–dependent sunset clause after which shares revert to one share, one vote, (ii) enhanced–voting shares may only be held by directors and revert to one share, one vote upon a transfer of those shares, (iii) the maximum permitted ratio of votes attached to enhanced–voting shares to votes attached to inferior-voting shares is 20:1; and (iv) enhanced–voting rights may only be exercised on resolutions relating to the incumbency of the enhanced–voting shareholder on the board, or on other resolutions following a change of control of the company."
*BTI 2014 LLC (Appellant) v Sequana SA UKSC, Sequana’s subsidiary was liable to indemnify BAT for costs arising from the clean-up of a polluted river. The directors of the subsidiary resolved that it should pay a substantial dividend to Sequana, without – BAT says – leaving enough money in the subsidiary to pay for the clean-up costs.
Wikidea 20:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates to 2021 

message: Is there a reason why "United Kingdom company law" is spelled as "United Kingdom companyyy law" in the very first line of this article? Could be potential vandalism, however, I am unqualified on this subject to confirm.
crayarikar | talk! 12:52, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible typo on first line
Talk:Rochdale Castle

message: Although the Rochdale Castle gave its name to Castleton, Greater Manchester, it's now in Rochdale. Rochdale was originally a geographical name applying to the broad valley-parish that encompassed Castleton. As Rochdale became a settlement, town and then borough, Castleton lost territory, meaning the Castle which gave that township its name lay outside of the administrative/conventional boundary. 
I'll have to dig out the old Rochdale books and get something sourced up, but Google maps provides simple verification, and there might be a straightforward source elsewhere online. --Jza84 |  Talk   15:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Castle Town
Talk:Kohukohu, New Zealand

message: The top of the article needs a disambiguation link to the tree:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittosporum_tenuifolium  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.47.104.124 (talk) 20:03, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 23:37, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

message: It's not clear whether this hapū is in Te Rarawa (Te Puni Kōkiri, and two of the Māori Maps descriptions) or Ngāpuhi (one of the Māori Maps descriptions, and an anonymous editor who was adamant this was the case, and caught a couple of spelling mistakes in marae names). I don't feel I'm equipped to resolve this, so just flagging it for someone who might know more. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 08:30, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Te Ihutai
Talk:Maryland Stadium Authority

message: This entire article needs references.Sallicio (talk) 23:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References
Talk:Dave Mooney

message: This article has stood as 'Dave Mooney' for some time now. Having moved it to 'David Mooney' recently I have now (on request) moved it back seeking some further opinion on the issue. I believe there's a strong case for it changing to David - he is referred to by this name on the Norwich City official website, Soccerbase, BBC and just about all British media output I could find. Whilst recognising he may have been known by the more informal Dave in Ireland, Mooney is now far more notable for his achievements in English football so going with what he is known as in England would seem the best option to me.--NCFCQ (talk) 22:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Article naming should be based on the dominant name in English-language reliable sources (without regard to country of origin of the source). We don't really have a tie-breaker (or a formal way to weight different sources), but there's certainly some bias for titling biographical articles with whatever the subject calls himself. On the subject of article naming and sorting, I just posted a bunch of links to Wikipedia guidelines in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Defaultsorts. Hope that helps. Studerby (talk) 00:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dave/David? 
Talk:Helge Payer

message: From the link:
Tests conducted last Tuesday showed that Payer has been suffering from partially blocked veins in his stomach, ruling the 28-year-old SK Rapid Wien player out of UEFA EURO 2008™
This doesn't sound like an infection to me. --Qaywsxedc (talk) 01:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed; was a thrombosis in the lower abdomen (see de:Helge Payer). —Alfie±Talk 22:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: virus incfection?
Talk:Fred Howe (footballer, born 1912)

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed
Talk:Truck art in South Asia

message: The link to pakistantruckart.com that is repeatedly being reinserted in this article is unacceptable for a number of reasons:
#It is a blog with no particular provenance that does not represent a reliable source
#The repeated reinsertion appears to be promotional in nature
#Although it does not do so currently, it has set of my malware detection in the past. Probably it just serves unfiltered ads and some of them are malware.
Please do not return this link to the article. I will seek to have this page protected, or seek other measures such as blacklisting the link, if it is returned to the article. — Gavia immer (talk) 18:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unacceptable external link 

message: I have proposed that this article be merged with Jingle truck, as both seem to be referring to the same phenomenon. Any thoughts on the issue, or shall I go ahead and merge the pages under the WP:BOLD authority? wia (talk) 22:10, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've sent out notices to every registered/auto-confirmed non-bot user I could find who has edited this page since its creation. The discussion is happening over at the Jingle truck talk page. Hope to see you there! wia (talk) 01:00, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal with [[Jingle truck]] 

message: I reverted the replacement of "South Asia" with "Indian subcontinent" for a number of reasons:
# The former matches the title of the article, which is the consensus reached in a discussion that has been open for months. 
# Comparing the two articles South Asia and Indian subcontinent, it appears that the main difference between the two terms is that Afghanistan, a center of this art form, is not normally included in the latter. Conversely, the term "Indian subcontinent" is centered around India, which is not a center of this art form. Therefore the name is misleading. 
# The spelling of "Indian Subcontinent" was incorrect and did not match that article title.
— Sebastian 20:18, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Asia or Indian subcontinent? 

message: Most of the text and pictures are related to Pakistan. This article should be renamed to Truck art in Pakistan. --Spasage (talk) 14:36, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been discussed before. And using "related" as an argument for changing the title is particularly silly. Of course, truck art in neighboring countries is "related" to one another; that's no argument for changing the title. ◄ Sebastian 09:20, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Truck art in Pakistan

message: Howard from NYC (talk) 11:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggest: anyone searching wikipedia for "Phool Patti" should trigger a redirect to this page 

message: Howard from NYC (talk) 11:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent article related to topic
Talk:Fort Pitt Grammar School

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This text is mainly self promotion, it is totally unreferenced, facts are wrong and POVs abound. Could someone who knows about selective education in Medway rewrite all of the text.
I would, but could be seen to have an indirect financial interest.
ClemRutter (talk) 00:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled