Talk:List of Academy Award records

message: How does Walt Disney get credit an award for films in which all he did was fund them? Avalon (talk) Avalon (talk) 01:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genuine question 

message: I know the source we've chosen to cite for all the other entries in that genre list says that The Shape of Water doesn't count as sci-fi because it's "romantic fantasy" -- but that strikes me as really odd. The site we're citing, to be clear, is https://www.filmsite.org/bestpics2.html -- a film fan site that's been around since the mid-90s, but not a site I think of as so authoritative that we couldn't consider alternative suggestions. And I think there's just no question that many in the popular press and at other film fan sites online treated the award going to The Shape of Water as the first BP-winning science fiction film: see https://www.huffpost.com/entry/shape-of-water-oscars_n_5a8ddf4de4b077f5bfeaa1ab or https://comicon.com/2018/03/05/why-the-shape-of-waters-best-picture-oscar-matters-to-science-fiction-film/ as two examples. So, I think clearly we can't just leave Everything Everywhere All At Once in sole possession of the genre claim -- unless that list is meant to solely represent the opinions of that one fan site, which doesn't make any sense to me at all? If that's the intention, a) we need to call much louder attention to the source of that list, and b) I would like to know why of all the fan sites we'd privilege that one. How, though, do we handle the resulting conflict? Identifying and asterisking both films as potentially being first? Naming just The Shape of Water as the first sci-fi film to win the prize, and leaving Everything Everywhere in possession of its other titles? I'm open to solutions -- but I think if we're going to have a list of "first in its genre to win BP" we really can't leave The Shape of Water off it entirely, as we currently do. Jwrosenzweig (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Shape of Water should be listed as the first science fiction winning BP 

message: I've removed the table for now. It not only lacked sources, but also had some question/dubious qualifications. Like, was there anything notable about Djimon Hounsou's nomination? I don't know what a "Black African" is supposed to be, but I'm pretty sure Lupita Nyong'o should be added unless it's solely gender based (I know she was born in Mexico, but her family is Kenyan and she moved back to Kenya not long after her birth IIRC), but even then, she is not mentioned anywhere in the table. Is there any other ethnically African actor from Africa who has won an Academy acting award that should be there before Nyong'o?
As for the first "Asian" winner, Merle Oberon did not identify with her (South) Asian heritage while she was alive and even tried to give herself a different family origin, yet it seems like she's mentioned as the first "Asian"? What about Vivien Leigh, the Indian-born actress with an Anglo-Indian family that (according to sources) included Parsi Indian, Armenian and Irish ancestry? I also don't know if we're separating it by supporting actress or something, but reliable sources widely consider Michelle Yeoh to be the first "Asian" actress Academy winner (or something along those lines). 
The omission of the likes of Leigh or even Angelina Jolie (dual Cambodian citizen) or Natalie Portman (Israeli-born and dual citizen) seem odd to me. Because while people accept Charlize Theron being from South Africa/Africa but racially considered a "white" woman, people have a problem with an "Asian" person being considered "white" as well? Do the Russian Chinese count as "Asian" or does "Asian" only ever mean people who are pure/ethnically Asian and could not pass as a "white" person? 
And it seems odd that the table seems to lump together Latin Americans under one banner but there are individual sections for various European ethnicities/nationalities (i.e - French, Nordic, German, Italian, etc). I think there's been multiple Mexican, Puerto Rican, etc nominees, so should there also be a "First Mexican", "First Puerto Rican" section on the table too? Clear Looking Glass (talk) 10:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity/Nationality Table 

message: The list omits Larry McMurtry who
 won a Pulitzer for Lonesome Dove and an Oscar for the screenplay of Terms of Endearment 62.49.195.50 (talk) 22:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, he wrote Brokeback Mountain. Terms of Endearment was by James L Brooks.CRBoyer 00:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winners of both a Pulitzer prize and an Oscar