Talk:Nineteen Eighty-Four/Archive 2

message: The first of Orwell's Big Brother Party slogans was WAR IS PEACE enforced by the "Ministry of Peace" (abbreviated to "MiniPax"). It was based upon a reversal in intent of President Roosevelt's 1941 speech which invoked "Freedom from Fear" to make wars of aggression impossible. During a period of George W. Bush made specific reference to freedom from fear in his Second Inaugural Address on January 20, 2005, recited the following paragrah:
:"By making every citizen an agent of his or her own destiny, we will give our fellow Americans greater freedom from want and fear and make our society more prosperous and just and equal."
Freedom from fear was translated by President Roosevelt to mean a worldwide reduction in arms so that no nation would be in a position to commit an act of physical agresssion against any neighbor, anywhere in the world. Orwell turned this meaning on its head with the slogan that "War is Peace" and his "Ministry of Peace" claimed to bring peace through war. Since no explanation was offered for the inclusion of this specific reference within the dedicated and crafted inauguration speech delivered during a time of war, its context resounds of Orwell's slogan that "War is Peace". A state of emergency or perpetual war, as justification for domestic surveillance and limits on civil liberties, was and remains a common tactic of government, employed today in countries such as Burma.  Some argue that it is parallelled by the United States' War on Terrorism, and related elements such as the Department of Homeland Security, the Information Awareness Office, and the USA PATRIOT Act.
:The above is original research. If you can cite an expert witness who holds this view, mentioning that might be acceptable here. However, I will say that your point, while one amongst many compliments to orwell in his ability to prophecy is of precious little insight on the subject of his book. Orwell was right about alot of things, alot of regimes, in alot of places. If we want to start a list of things which "may" be orwellian, so be it, but Bush is certainly not so good an example as say... the USSR.  18:46, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think most of us agree.  14:31, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It would appear that  jumped in and made a removal and set the course. Using the same standard it is obvious that a lot more has to come out.MPLX/MH 19:27, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  War is Peace 

message: Welcome to the discussion but you have joined in late because you have lumped a lot of text together and you seem to be attributing it to me since I was part of the original discussion. However, I am NOT the author of a good chunk of the stuff recited above! I don't know if you have already removed the text and placed it here because I have not yet checked, but you seem to be jumping the gun to my own proposal in answer above. If so I will go along with that but we need to remove everything else as well. MPLX/MH 19:20, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It would appear that  jumped in and made a removal and set the course. Using the same standard it is obvious that a lot more has to come out.MPLX/MH 19:27, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Now this is getting messy

message: Using the same standards of editing I have attempted to prune the article so that it now reflects upon the work itself as a book, play and recording. It does not allow for interpretations of the novel by readers. It does allow for inspiration for the novel by Orwell. It also allows for a description of the novel itself.MPLX/MH 19:41, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: FURTHER DISCUSSION