Talk:Diminished seventh

message: I have now added a lot of older, and also more recent material, to an archive (see above). A new article has been set up, partly to deal with issues of terminology that have arisen here . Discussion about application of the terms diatonic and chromatic, as applied to intervals or to anything else, is best conducted in the context of that article. I suggest that we now discontinue any such general debate here (and at Talk:Interval (music), Talk:Diatonic scale, etc.), and confine it to Talk:Diatonic and chromatic. – Noetica♬ Talk 02:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving, and [[Diatonic and chromatic]] now established

message: The opening sentence bothers me.  I'd rather it say "scale steps" than "scale degrees".  Scale degree (often, though maybe not always) implies a tone that can function as a root in relation to a certain key center.  Maybe it could read, "seventh scale step of the harmonic minor mode."--Roivas 19:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not aware of the connotation you speak of. To me, "scale degree" and "scale step" are synonymous, although "degree" seems like the one most used. —Wahoofive (talk) 20:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, I clicked the link, but the Roman numerals aren't there. Scale degrees are notes. The Roman numerals symbolize triads built on those scale degrees. Anyway, the notes of the dim7 can certainly be derived from notes in the harmonic minor scale; it has nothing to do with whether that scale is or isn't diatonic. But if you want to change it to "scale step", go ahead. —Wahoofive (talk) 07:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Scale Degrees

message: e.g. It is created by taking a root, minor third, diminished fifth and minor seventh (1, ♭3, ♭5 and ♭7) of any major scale.
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The diminished seventh chord does not contain a minor seventh.  That would make it half-diminished (B, D, F, A, or Bø).  Since the same mistake was made in two different ways:  a flatted seventh (C, Bb) is not the same as a diminished seventh (C, Bbb)
Please see:  Half-diminished seventh chord
This sentence implies that the diminished seventh chord is theoretically derived from the major scale.  The statement, "the b3 of any major scale" is nonsensical.
--Roivas (talk) 15:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for deleted passage 

message: I have added two audio examples to the article. Hyacinth (talk) 01:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested audio

message: Why, what, where, and how does this article need additional citations for verification? Hyacinth (talk) 11:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Tag removed. Hyacinth (talk) 02:33, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: *2048:1215Haluska (2003), p.xxvi. Narrow diminished seventh.
The above was removed without reason given. Hyacinth (talk) 02:33, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: It is a major sixth which is not dissonant. Elementary music theory textbooks and above continue the fiction that because it is diminished it must be dissonant. It is not. How do we communicate this shocking truth in Wikipedia?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.166.136.104 (talk) 16:12, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: LOLOLOLOL —Wahoofive (talk) 15:45, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

text: To the OP, I suggest you pick up any elementary harmony textbook, which will no doubt correct you as soon as augmented and diminished intervals are first introduced. Double sharp (talk) 09:56, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Need somebody else to fix this in the lede, since I don't want to be in a revert war. —Wahoofive (talk) 05:58, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted it back to the version correctly noting that the diminished 7th is a dissonant interval at the time of my previous comment. Double sharp (talk) 07:34, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: The Myth of the Diminished Seventh Interval