Talk:Personal name

message: The term "middle name" seems somewhat Western/Eurocentric. There are plenty of cultures where people have only 2 names (or one, or many, in all sorts of different orders, and that's just for starters).
Second, some names (see Burmese names) are given at any point in adulthood.
Suggested rewrite:
"A personal name (often called full name) typically comprises an individual's given name (bestowed at birth or at a young age) plus their middle name(s) and family name (surname)."
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"A personal name (often called full name) typically, but not always, comprises an individual's given name or names (bestowed at birth or at a later age) and often a family name."
Huseyx2 (talk) 22:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence - middle name - young age 

message: A substantial number of people do not have patronymics, matronymics or family names and many have a variable number of name components.  The Indonesian president for example, but the examplar for his class of people is apparently an American comedian with NFN as a kind of administrative first name.  124.188.147.73 (talk) 09:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the cases of Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Teller are different. The first was born without a surname and adopted one, and the second was born with a first name and abandoned it. I wouldn't call this ethnocentric, although the target audience is native English speakers. Tinynanorobots (talk) 21:21, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strangely Ethnocentric 

message: In the name order section of this article, it's claimed that besides Hungary and the Far East, some African countries and/or cultures also use the eastern name order. I'm just curious as to what cultures use it, since I have yet to encounter any African who uses that name order. Can anybody give examples of cultures that do? Nederbörd (talk) 22:35, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a source to cite, but from personal experience Rwandan naming convention usually uses names that can appear in different orders depending on the context. For example, the president of Rwanda is called Paul Kagame, but is often referred to as Kagame Paul as well (especially in formal or official settings). However this isn't exactly the same as Eastern naming convention, because most Rwandans do not use a family name or a patronymic. Usually they are given a religious (or secular Western) name such as John, Muhammad, or Leonard, followed by a traditional Kinyarwanda name such as Mugisha, Keza, or Habayimana.  41.186.78.91 (talk) 20:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  African use of eastern name order 

message: It is nearly universal for a human to have a name; feral children growing up in isolation, or infants orphaned by natural disaster of whom no written record survives.
The second half, after the semicolon, seems to be an incomplete, fragmented sentence.
Masterius2011 (talk) 04:42, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence fragment 

message: Is it true that in Romania the official order is surname - given name?
It may be like in italy where the official order is given name - surname but, for bureaucratic influence, many people tend to use the order surname - given name (although not considered correct).--Carnby (talk) 15:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romania 

message: What is written about Brazilian names in the introduction is not correct at all or - at best - is overly, yet still incorrectly, simplified to couch Brazilian naming standards within American naming convention. A Brazilian has one (or more) first names, followed by their mother's "maiden name" (the maternal grandfather's father's father's [ad nauseum] last name) and the father's father's [ad nauseum] last name.
So, if a hypothetical mother's name is Rosana di Paolo Tanaka and the father's name is Nelson Kowalski Rodrigues, their hypothetical children's full names might be Vaneusa Tanaka Rodrigues and Pedro Enrique Tanaka Rodrigues.
Tanaka is not a middle name in the American sense, it's part of the legal last name, coming from Rosana's father (maternal grandfather of the kids). If anything might be considered a "middle name" in the American sense it might be "Enrique" for the male child, though the Brazilian view would neither see it nor treat it in that sense for documentation or other purposes. Rather, his first name would be "Pedro Enrique" and his last names are Tanaka Rodrigues. When our hypothetical Vaneusa has children with a man named, say, "Stanislaus Carvalho Zimmerstein" their son might be named, João Rodrigues Zimmerstein. 
66.176.113.94 (talk) 19:14, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian "Middle" Names 

message: The possibility of moving this article to a different name is being discussed at WT:WikiProject Anthroponymy#"Personal name" versus "given name". Jc3s5h (talk) 11:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible move of this article being discussed

message: See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy#So... what is the meaning of "personal name"? for details... In a nutshell, our lede has  emphasis added.
My research seems to show that "personal name" has three meanings: 1) full name, 2) only the first name, and 3) each term in the name (that is, "John Jacob Smith" has three personal names). I propose to edit the lede to that effect, absent counsel otherwise. Herostratus (talk) 04:09, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  We are using two different definitions of "personal name" in the lede alone 

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Chuck's names include Philip because of his father, but one has no way of knowing, from the name alone, which (if any) is his father's; and so it does not indicate anything.  And what relationship between the actor and the painter is indicated by their shared name?
Why doesn't this sentence explicitly contrast given names to family names? —Tamfang (talk) 00:39, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  diffuse into meaninglessness 

message: There is no citation that I can find for the line about needing to rename a object/concept after a member of leadership bearing that name has died. I am also looking for a term that describes the given name based on stereotypical Native American "Sitting Bull" style after objects/concepts. 
72.182.148.220 (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polynesian culture; Object/Concept naming 

message: Artinya Nfarras2 (talk) 22:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naufal farras 

message: Please add citations for the content you’ve added under Tamil names section. This is original research. — DaxServer (mobile) (t · m · c) 14:52, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tamil names 

message: Hii 👋🏻 
Mittal is not only surnames my first name is Mittal , and full name is Mittal Shaktawat. 49.36.234.216 (talk) 09:44, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, Mittal! Nice to meet you. However, this talk page is to discuss about the article, not about the topic of the article. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mittal is my first name 

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Is there any Scandinavian culture where this name is (or was) written as two words?? —Tamfang (talk) 05:42, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  patronymic surnames 

message: I wanna know why Hungarian (European) surnames use Eastern naming conventions similar to Japan,and the Philippines (Asian) using Western naming conventions much like from Europe or perhaps, the USA 119.95.114.132 (talk) 07:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese, Hungarian, and Philippine Surnames