Talk:Bimbo

message: It must have been in use in the early 20th century, based on the lyrics of this song from 1921, apparently written by Grant Clarke
http://www.turtleserviceslimited.org/mylittlebimbo.htm  
The bit about "Italian language words of male gender" should be explained or deleted. Ghosts&empties 10:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tried to clarify  Plch 18:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The detailed definition makes it clear that there are two meanings- unintelligent being the original and main definition, sexual promiscuity the more recent secondary meaning. But the introduction refers only to sexual promiscuity.  This isn't correct, surely.  Isn't it still the case that the word means an unintelligent person, primarily female - rather than a sexually promiscuous one?  The latter characteristics often follows on from the first!203.184.41.226 (talk) 21:53, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

text: Yeah, the article says 21st century, but it then goes on to explain its use in the 20th, with that full meaning of a dumb blonde stereotype, so... That should probably just say 20th.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:449:4581:6920:4D88:C005:2522:C5F8 (talk) 08:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word "bimbo" 

message: According to http://local.aaca.org/bntc/slang/slang.htm the word "bimbo" originally meant "a tough guy" in the 1920s.Adamc55 01:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that too.  As the Italian origin suggests, it surely must have originally been a term referring to guys.  This is where we need to enlist the help of older men and women who can give us first-hand accountings of what these terms meant in different eras and locales.  -- Blueguy 65.0.209.185 (talk) 13:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think the hypothesis of Italian origin is compatible with the current meaning. Bimbo = bambino means a little child in Italian, not a tough guy or a blonde girl with low IQ. Lebatsnok (talk) 11:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original use of "bimbo" 

message: I've removed the reference to Polari.  Is there any evidence that the use of "bimbo" in English comes from Polari and not just Italian?  It doesn't seem likely, considering the above reference and the large number of native Italian speakers in the U.S. in the early 20th C.--Pharos 09:05, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Polari?

message: This article needs to get expanded.  Does anyone have any ideas to make this article longer? --71.118.77.23 23:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who deleted the pics? 68.50.146.22 20:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion

message: I have no idea whether this is should be incorporated into the article, but in Bimbo we have a rare example of a word being used precisely because it has no known meaning. The reference is from one of A.P. Herbert's 'Misleading Cases': Uncommon Law, Trott v Tulip: Is 'Highbrow' Libellous, 8, pp42-52.
... one man might say to another, 'You are a Bimbo', or 'You look like a Togg', without offence; for these expressions, though presumably hostile in intention, have no known significance, discourteous or otherwise.
This would originally have been published in Punch but I cannot find a record of the date. However in a postscript to the Uncommon Law chapter above, the author states "This case was heard in 1927", and it certainly is no later than that as it appears in Misleading Cases in the Common Law published by Methuen in 1927.--Zipperdeedoodah (talk) 20:49, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word not known in Britain in 1927 

message: *oppose - almost no overlap. Diffferent term history, different content, etc. Wikipedia is not paper; noi need to put all eggs in one basket. - Altenmann >t 16:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge suggestion [[Bimbo]] + [[Dumb blonde]] 

message: I'll try and improve this article over the next few days. The links below will eventually be incorperated into the article as information and references. Feel free to add! --Acluke (talk) 02:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article References 

message: The following was removed due to lack of reliable sources. If you find such a source, please reinclude it. Thanks!
Bimbofication  
The term "Bimbofication" or "Bimboization" is used to refer to the process of a person acquring the physical or mental traits that are typically associated with a bimbo. This can refer to a person's consious decision or through a percieved change in their actions and personality. Bimbofication can also refer to going through surgery in order to atain traits often associated with the stereotypical bimbo, regardless of their intent, such as "breast enlargement".  Acluke (talk) 06:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bimbofication 

message: If anyone can think of any fictional or real-life bimbos, preferably with references to them being referred to as such, please feel free to add them to the popular culture/notable bimbos section. Thanks! Acluke (talk) 00:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Bimbos 

message: I intend to change this sentence from the opening:  “The term itself is not explicitly negative, but can be used as a derogative insult towards a woman.”  
The notion that the term “bimbo” is not pejorative is absurd.  As the article explains the word refers to a person who attractive yet stupid.  It has never been a compliment, or a “neutral” to call someone stupid.
In recent years some younger people have taken to using the word ironically, especially when referring to themselves, similarly as has been done with the words like “bitch,” “slut,” etc.  This Feminist subversion of words that denigrate behavior by females that traditionally goes uncriticized in males may be a cheeky slap at cultural stereotypes and outmoded gender roles, but it does not amount to a reclassification of a word is still a pejorative and used as such in standard speech.  
Indeed such ironic use rarely results in shedding of original meaning.  For instance “fag” and “nigger” have long been used in this manner, but no one would suggest that they are “not explicitly negative.”  That someone would say such a thing in this case is itself a matter of gender bias.TheCormac (talk) 21:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccurate to say not pejorative

message: Surely this article is a candidate for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSPLIT#Content_split?  I would think this page should deal with the "attractive but unintelligent..." and some of the other uses (e.g. Nigerian name) should be moved to the disambiguation page?  Not sure how to start a vote though, I'm afraid. --81.23.54.142 (talk) 18:24, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: As seen here, here and here, IP 93.36.190.141 has repeatedly violated WP:Undue weight by having the lead sentence state that "bimbo" means child. That meaning is not the common definition of the word and does not belong as the first sentence. The History section covers origins of the term already. 
Thoughts? I'll alert WP:WikiProject Languages, WP:Women and WP:Women's History to the matter for discussion. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:52, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Referring to WP:Undue weight is misleading: if these informations were really undued, they would have not been in the article. Yet, they are. My change is not as significant as you point it out to be, making the edit war you started pretty pointless. Substantially, i only added one and a half sentence: . I will quote myself from my message you have deleted without any real reason ( not even answering me, not even lettin me know you were going to start this discussion by the way), reverting a passage that, whatever your opinions are on the matter, is indeed correct and consistent with both the subject and the article. It's not a matter of historical perspective to talk firstly about the meaning of the italian world "bimbo", it's a matter of context perspective. It is logical that first you briefly explain the term, then you talk about a local use of it in a single english country: this explain its origin, original meaning, current meaning outside the US and only then why it is used with such a meaning in american english. This is not the wikipedia of the US, but an english version of wikipedia, which should not be localistic: it should not be written from the pov of americans but in an international perspective. Therefore it only makes sense to first say what the term means and where it comes from and only then how it is used locally in a single english nation, especially considering that the US is not the only  english speaking nation in the world and that in other english speaking countries this term is not used, while instead english people commonly have contacts with italian tourists/workers/migrants, which are everywhere in english speaking countries, using "bimbo" in its current italian meaning. My change doesn't change that much, but it puts informations in a logical flow. As of now, the lead of the article state the term originated in 1919 as a term for unintellingent male, which is basically false, as the term is a many century-old and still used italian world which was simply adapted in the second half of XXth century as an american slang. That is the context i provided and you take away, letting tha article say things that are not true. 93.36.190.141 (talk) 17:04, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I was asked to come here by 93.36 as a neutral party. I would request that the edit warring stop and that this be worked out on this page.  In looking at the above posts, I think you each have some good points and I hope that you are able to resolve this.  It is true that the lead is only meant to summarize the article content that follows and does not need to contain every detail.  It is also true that WP:UNDUE isn't just about the article as a whole, but about parts(like the lead) as well. Not everything in the article needs to be in the lead.  Furthermore, it is true that the article should reflect the fact that it will be read by anyone who knows English and not just Americans(where this term is used most).  I don't know how to balance these points, but I believe that constructive discussion should take place here.  I see that relevant WikiProjects have been notified, some other opinions might be helpful here, of those more knowledgeable in this subject area than myself. 331dot (talk) 22:04, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

text: Yes, yes, IP, we all know that you went to 331dot and Bagumba to inaccurately complain, as seen here and here. I'm a woman, by the way. 331dot has stated what I would have stated about WP:Undue. WP:Undue applies to the lead and placement of text as well. You are giving WP:Undue weight to a definition that is not the most common definition of the term. A simple Google search shows that the term is first and foremost usually defined as a disparaging term for a man (outdated) or a woman, as seen with this Merriam-Webster source and this Dictionary.com source. They also speak of "Italian bimbo baby" as possibly being the origin of the term. But like the Wikipedia article notes with sources, terms evolve. "Bimbo" is more so associated with attractive but dumb women these days. Despite what you've stated on my talk page, this is not a U.S. thing. It's a common definition thing. "Bitch" originally meant "female dog," and is still sometimes used that way, but that is not the most common definition of the term now. "Gay" originally meant "carefree" or "happy," but that is not the most common definition of the term now. You even used "now" in the lead of the Bimbo article (twice). In both of the Bitch and Gay articles, we begin with the most common definition, and note original definitions later (although the Bitch article does begin with "literally meaning a female dog" before immediately following up with "is a pejorative slang word for a person—usually a woman"). Similar should be done with this article, per WP:Due and WP:Principle of least astonishment. I'm not debating this matter with you any further. If no one else weighs in, or we don't get enough opinions for a consensus, I will simply start an RfC. And as for not letting you know I'd be starting this discussion, I told you when reverting you that I would be taking the matter to the talk page. I meant "article talk page." Certainly not mine or yours. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:54, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition for the [[WP:Lead sentence]] 

message: "In 2017, "The Bimbo Movement" was founded by self-proclaimed bimbo and adult star Alicia Amira"
Is she really the most emblematic woman reclaiming the word "bimbo"? Madonna was doing it way earlier, referring herself to as a "bimbo" who is in charge of her sexuality. 80.98.191.91 (talk) 09:13, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna? 

message: The so-called "Popular culture" section has been deleted as containing nothing but original research, often wide of the topic. It should not be reinstated without discussion here. Sweetpool50 (talk) 20:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off-topic original research