Talk:The Legend of Zelda/Archive 2

message: The normal article size is 32KB maximum.  Is there anyway we can split the article up a little.--User:Jedi6
:Maybe split the History or Chronology sections into their own pages? JQF 14:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It all has to do with eachother. Legend of Zelda is one of the biggest gameseries in existence. That's how it is, that should be respected. Hyrule 15:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying it doesn't, but the article is getting to the size limit, and taking a section and turning it into it's own page is one of the ways to remidy that. That doesn't mean there won't be something here, but it will just be a blurb with a Main Article: Whatever above it, like on other pages. JQF 19:25, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Size

message: Alright...
The Chronology Section - You all are missing the point.  We do not need to give any theories.  In fact, this article's "discussion" proves the point I am about to make - the timeline is simply one of the crucial pieces of the Zelda series which adds to its mystique.  That is the fact we should focus on.
If you'd like some facts, the timeline has gone through several changes, NOA made up their own versions earlier on, and it's just a mystery in general to all, but it is a staple of the Zelda series.  Eiji Aonuma is working on making the timeline clear, and in January I get to reveal it (unless Nintendo does before hand) as it is now.  But honestly...the timeline should only be noted, until it is set in stone, as a sellling point amongst fans.
Additionally, all that information by each game needs to go.  For starters, who said Link is 16 in The Adventure of Link?  You must fail exams where you need to read directions carefully.  It says Link is NEARING his 16th birthday, making him...15.  Either way, it's just a rediculous amount of info, and a re-direct to a google search on Zelda Timeline or to Zelda Fan sites is suitable enough.  It shouldn't hog this article.
I think the roman numeral system for the game listing needs to be removed, and Japanese titles included since this game is native to Japan originally.  I think more work needs to be brought to light on version differences and development history.  I think the history section should focus more on what I just said in the previous section.
That's all for now.
--TSA 23:50, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I made all these revisions.  I hope adding in some information requested helps (like the NP issues). --TSA 07:21, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Various Revisions

message: So The Legend of Zelda: The Triforce Saga ended up on AfD today, and I cleaned up the article somewhat, adding info about the alleged prototype cart that was found and thrown up on eBay a couple weeks ago.  I was hoping to maybe get some help from people who pay attention to Zelda stuff to better clean up that article.  Thanks in advance --badlydrawnjeff 16:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Triforce Saga]]

message: Do we really need Pop Culture..??
:A good encyclopedia documents not only the various things that exist, but the impact they have on their surroundings. Yes, the section that describes how the series has affected society does belong here. I will concede that some of the references do not need as much detail as they have been given, as long as the links to the sources are sufficient.--Darksasami 17:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A good encyclopedia may document the impact things have had on their surroundings, but that doesn't mean that every item needs mentioning, or frankly even any item needs mentioning. A good encyclopedia isn't a collection of facts; it supplies important synthesis on those facts.--Prosfilaes 02:04, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That such things as were listed in the Pop Culture section exist gives insight into the level of integration of the concepts and symbols from the games into the collective unconscious. I rather felt that, with some cleanup (e.g., just stating that merchandising from the original game was reintroduced many years later, rather than plugging specific shirts from Hot Topic), such examples could give a nicely NPOV insight into how the series continues to affect certain cultures. Is that so wrong? --Darksasami 17:40, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Do we really need.....

message: Forgive me if this suggestion is old-hat, but would it be more suitable to create a separate article concerning the chronology of the games entitled "Chronology of the Legend of Zelda series"? Tell me what you think, and please don't bite my head off. The Trashman 21:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's been addressed before. No real consensus, but not really much support for moving it. The article created would just be a battleground, anyway, and filled with tons of pure speculation. Having it as a section of this article is a good excuse to keep it small and include only the information that's supported by the games in some way. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 07:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. A single section gives enough room to briefly state the small amount of official information that we know and to summarize some of the most popular fan timelines. For the details, there are some excellent external websites that we can direct visitors to. Deco 08:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Although, external site are cleared away as "linkspam" quite often. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 06:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate article

message: There was an orphan mergefrom suggestion located at Deku Sticks.  I have placed the mergeto banner on the main article.  I do not have enough expertise to know whether this is an appropriate merge, but I wanted to increase the suggestion's visibility.  If this is not an appropriate merge, please feel free to remove the tags from both articles.  Lbbzman 14:45, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:DP has the deletion policy and links to list an article for deletion in 3 steps.  Let me know if you need help.  Lbbzman 16:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks for your help incorporating the information.  I have completed the merge.  Deku Sticks now redirects to The Legend of Zelda seriesLink. Lbbzman 17:34, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Deku Sticks

message: There has been a merge tag on Power bracelet for a long time - could anyone comment on the merger to try and resolve the request?  Kcordina 12:24, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Power bracelet should be merged with the Link article, as there is all ready a section there about the items Link uses. JQF 16:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, while it doesn’t belong here, the Link article is already quite long, no sense bloating it with more items. I say improve the article instead of merging it, or merge ALL the LoZ item articles into one. The latter has been on my to-do list for a while, but I have to finish with the 400 Pokémon articles first. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 21:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: Is anyone aware of this article yet? It seems a little early to be starting one on it. ~ Hibana 00:57, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User Hyrule adds external links to Hyrule.net whenever possible. Doesn't surprise me he had created an article so early without references only to add his link. -- ReyBrujo 01:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is official, thus it seems usefull to at least mention it, rather then just have people guess of it's existence. -- Hyrule 05:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn’t HAVE much of an existence. Everyone knows you love to whore your site, don’t deny it. Personally, I don’t mind as long as you keep the content accurate and useful, and don’t ever try to replace links to other sites again. I wish your spelling and grammar were better sometimes, though. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you guys need to have a nice cup of tea and a sit down. -- stillnotelf is invisible 02:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Other then the picture at the page? Here you go:  Hyrule 21:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both the picture and the link are likely referring to Twilight Princess on the Wii.  I've nominated the Zelda Wii article for deletion, for the same reasons it was originally deleted. --The Yar 15:41, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is referring to a game on the Wii at a point where it was not even planned on the Wii... Are you even into videogames? Hyrule 00:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I understand your response or your implied attack against my credentials in this matter.  But I'll try to respond.  The only thing you've shown is that, a year ago, there was a hint that there would be a Zelda title on the Wii.  We now know that there is one, Twilight Princess.  You have never shown any evidence that identifies a separate Zelda on Wii other than TP.  While there does seem to be a brief period of time during which the rumours indicated both TP on Gamecube and a Zelda on Wii, it seems pretty clear now that these projects were merged via delaying the release of TP and making two versions of it.  Regardless, the only facts you have are that there were rumors of Zelda, Mario, and Metroid releases on Wii, and we now know what all three of those release are going to be.  There is no evidence whatsoever that there is another Zelda, and even if there was, there is no use listing it here or as its own article until we know some verifiable facts about it.--The Yar 20:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I also rearranged the paragraphs about it in the Upcoming Games section.  There seemed to be some confusion. --The Yar 19:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet you leave a link to the article on IGN verifying it. Hyrule 00:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has never been verified.  The only thing verified is that, over a year ago, it was announced that there would be a Zelda on the Wii.  TP is a Zelda on Wii.  We can probably assume that someday there will be another Zelda after TP on Wii, but Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. I left the citations because I am acknowledging the confusion created in some people by certain vague comments made to the press last year. --The Yar 18:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zelda Revolution

message: Who thinks the talk page is ready for an archive?  71.244.170.75 14:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive?

message: And my links to those photos were never intended as permanent references.  If you must see for yourself, I can give you temp access to Nintendo's Press Site on my account there so you can verify the dates.  It seems NOA is slow to change the dates on Zelda.com or their own Nintendo.com pages... --TSA 03:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is, it’s not about convincing me, that info needs a source. LotL is insufficient, so until the Q4 release date for the US is publised on a public Nintendo site or a major outlet like IGN, your screenshot is the best we have. Are you the thehylia webmaster? If you post a news story about the Q4 release date, and cite the press site PH page( with a link) as a source for that news story, then it could be considered a viable secondary source and we could link that news story instead of the screenshot. The same goes for LotL, if, and only if, Hyrule has an account at press.nintendo.com.( This is with the understanding that Nintendo.com or IGN, GS, etc. trumps either site as soon as the Q4 date is published there.) -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if we get our hands on Famitsu Weekly from this past week, they printed that Twilight Princess is coming out in October in Japan.  Famitsu is owned by Enterbrain!, which is published by Shogakukan, which has exclusive rights to Nintendo materials in Japan and they are actually an official source of Nintendo information according to NCL's media area.  Unfortunately, I don't know how many people ready Japanese.  Either way, I wouldn't expect an update on NOA's site until the official date is announced, which I suspect should happen no later than Comic Con '06 (it was when Nintendo announced the Holiday release officially last year for 2005), which is July 19th-23rd, 2006. --TSA 23:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''PH'' release date

message: 64.42.226.82 has deleted large portions of the article, presumably to lower it below 32 kb. I've reverted the edits but it does bring up the question of the article's length. Is there anything unnecessary that can be taken out or split? Axem Titanium 20:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, unless you want to expand the History section into its own article. There are already 4 other sections with their own articles. Besides, that anon has been repeatedly warned and blocked for vandalism, so I wouldn’t assume pure intentions. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 00:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anonymous strikes again

message: Quick question on the "Link never speaks" theory.  In "Legend of Zelda, Link to the Past," when Link takes the chest containing the third bottle to the lockpicker in the desert, he says something like, "So I hear you're a thief."  If anyone can confirm this with the exact wording and post the change, that'd be great. -TestRobot
:I don't know the exact words, but I don't think anyone thinks Link never has written lines in the games, but that except for the Wind Waker example he has no voice-acted words. Lifeboat 00:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quick question

message: can we archive this talk page coz' it's a bit long. Rdunn 15:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: archive?

message: Could anyone who knows how it all works, change the name of the article of Tingle RPG, and have Tingle RPG search redirect to Tingle's Pink-coloured Rupee Land
:Or we could not because that translation is not official and unlikely to be the western name. — Ian Moody (talk) 18:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You got a point. I'll make a not of it. Hyrule 19:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tingle RPG name change

message: Takt is German for Baton.  So what really was the Japan release title of Wind Waker? --The Yar 19:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese release title was Kaze no Takuto, which translates to Baton of the Wind. It all comes down to the same, but the correct translation is Baton. Hyrule 21:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Takt vs. Baton

message: I don't know who started the whole antiquity thing and for what reason, but it's widely known and accepted as Ancient Stone Tablets. (btw TSA, it was not me, I am always logged in). Unless you got some strong point, please stop reverting this. Hyrule 07:52, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sorry then (turns sheepish) the person was saying it was you via e-mails on my talk page...but they were unsigned, but they said they were you. But yeah, somebody needs to stop reverting that.  There's a magazine scan from Famitsu for the game which calls it Ancient Stone Tablets on the pages in English. --TSA 19:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancient Stone Tablets

message: I would advise anyone interested in the naming of Zelda articles/categories to go to User talk:Road Wizard/Legend of Zelda CfD discussion where the use of "The" is being debated. — Ian Moody (talk) 14:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Further name debate

message: TSA went and remade the Gannon-Banned page, even when he's clearly biased to make it and it has been previously been decided it shouldn't have it's own article! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kyn (talk • contribs) .
:If you think it should be deleted, either send it to articles for deletion or prod it. -- ReyBrujo 19:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GANNON-BANNED '''again!'''

message: I think perhaps the Manga/Comics and the Cartoon series should get their own pages to filter down the page.  I also think a huge chunk of the Chronology (the list of games and their info) should be removed because the info is already found on the individual game pages for the respective titles, and as it stands now it is not a very helpful batch of information in the current format. --TSA 05:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Seperating Manga/Cartoons/Comics - Shrink Chronology

message: It is true that link does not talk in any counsole game.  But in the begining of Links Awakening, he talks.  Something like, "Zelda, is that you?" (its been a while)
And at the begining of each Oracle Game, he talks to Impa, or something like that.  Please look up, and change the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.10.1.61 (talk • contribs) .
:The point is that, as a general characteristic with few exceptions, Link does not talk.  --The Yar 17:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Link Talks!

message: Shouldn't the chronology section, to be totally unbiased, not mention any particular theories? Needs touching up. Zythe 18:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "As some theories state"

message: I have added this section because I, for one, don't see the buying of a Nintendo system as worthwhile anymore, and feel that since they seem to be in last place in the console wars, that gettin their system solely for Zelda isn't worth it.  Aside from my doubt of Nintendo's future, the popularity of the game should warrant a list of similar games for other consoles.  Lemme know if this is outta line. --Ben414 05:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a quick point, Nintendo actually makes a profit from their hardware. They also have about several hundred million dollars reserve money(i.e. emergency money). They are also only slightly behind Microsoft in thsi gen, so their future is not in doubt. There are also plent more better reasons to own a Wii than a  PS3, but this isn't a messageboard. TJ Spyke 05:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides the fact the 'blessing' is far sought, at least come up with something better then. Tomb Raider as Ocarina of Time? Seriously... JackSparrow Ninja 07:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *I see the section has been removed.  Perhaps my choices for similar games are questionable.  I understand that the Zelda series is immensely popular, and thought the need existed for some type of comparable games independent of Nintendo. --Ben414 21:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just, if you want to do it, and again, I'm sorry but the motivation I find a bit questionable, then come up with something good. How do you see Tomb Raider compareable to Zelda? I don't really get it. JackSparrow Ninja 21:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedic article about the Zelda series, not a shopping guide. Pagrashtak 21:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blessing of the "Similar Games" section

message: I don't find any mention of the wand of gamelon... maybe someone should add it?--Frenchman113  on wheels! 15:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CDi Games?

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.
:Template has been deleted. —Centrx→talk • 02:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Legend of Zelda characters }}

message: It seems as though the timeline presented in the "Chronology" section is entirely based on speculation, or is otherwise unverifiable or at best based on original research. Can anyone give me real, official published material that confirms this timeline? If not, I think I'll have to remove it. -- Digital Watches 15:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronology section's validity.

message: I added all the relase date for all the games listed. It's a thorough release date rather than just having the Japanese release dates. It looks really clunky and makes the template rather long, but to see it go here: User:Throw and tell me if it should replace the current one. Throw 19:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a little... long. Tell me why we need all the release dates on the main template? Axem Titanium 13:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Thorough release dates on template

message: :"The Legend of Zelda's hero, Link, has appeared on every Nintendo console, except for the ill-fated Virtual Boy."
I don't like this line much.  First, it seems out of place for an article about the Legend of Zelda series.  Second, it opens up a whole can of worms on things like the Color TV Games, Pokémon Mini, Nintendo 64DD, and the e-Reader.  While each of these "systems" status as a "console" could be debated (but heck, is the Virtual Boy a console or a portable?), it just seems better (IMHO) to leave such an odd sounding line out.  Any other opinions? 70.106.204.245 02:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't consider the mini to be a real console.  The e-Reader is an add-on accessory, as is the 64DD, so they don't really count.  The Color TV Games debuted before the NES...it was also did not feature interchangeable cartridges, so it's not really a console persey, at least compared to the NES and beyond.  Still, I agree that it should probably be left out. Hbdragon88 08:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "every Nintendo console"