Talk:Green Monster/Archive 1

message: Fisk's HR hit the foul pole. It did not go over the Green Monster. Is it really part of the Green Monster story? Or is its place in the Fenway Park story? Kingturtle 17:55, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Even when fans were seated on the field, the seating area was designated dead ball territory, and thus "out" of the playing field.  --65.91.102.204 21:02, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fisk's HR 

message: :From 1912 to 1933, there was a 10-foot-high mound that formed an incline in front of the Green Monster, extending from the left-field foul pole to the centerfield flag pole. As a result of the mound, a left fielder in Fenway Park had to play the entire territory running uphill.
What? How can you have to play the entire territory running uphill? Surely you have to go downhill sometimes? Is there an explanation for this anomaly that is not obvious to this reader? -dmmaus 02:13, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uphill in both directions? 

message: Was he really called the Green Monster. In his article it states that he was famous for hitting homers over the "Green Monster" of the Pacific Coast League ? No Guru 22:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Joe Brovia]] 

message: The article says "'Green Monster' is a term mainly used by people not associated with the team. Most Red Sox fans usually refer to it as simply 'The Wall.'" 
I would agree that if someone hit a ball off it, a Red Sox fan would say "He hit it off the Wall", but if I were to refer to it I would most definately call it "The Green Monster" or "The Monster". This line from the article (IMHO) makes is sound like nobody but tourists would ever call it "The Green Monster" which I feel is not accurate. Any thoughts or am I just reading too much into it? DrunkenSmurf 17:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term "Green Monster" 

message: Okay, it seems the word "memorable" was removed from this article.  That is probably a good thing.  Even for Fisk and Dent, "memorable" is an opinion-oriented word that could bother some people.  Saying Fisk and Dent's home runs are "among the most famous in baseball history" and are "notable historical moments" is probably more encyclopedic and less opinionated.
In the "Notable Historical Moments" section, after the first part that lists Fisk and Dent's home runs, I added the following:
Other historical feats involving the Green Monster:
-Gary Carter is the only player to hit two home runs over the Green Monster in a single World Series Game, when he did it in Game 4 of the 1986 World Series.
-In Game 3 of the 2004 ALDS, David Ortiz hit a 10th inning walk-off and series-ending home run over the Green Monster. This was only the 2nd time in history a Division Series ended on a walk-off home run.
These are indeed historical feats.  We haven't really discussed Ortiz's walk-off here, but it was certainly a historical feat to end a series on a home run, and the fact it went over the Monster makes it legitimate to be in this article.  And as discussed, Carter's home runs are historical since he is the only player to ever hit two home runs over the Monster in a World Series game.Ags412 19:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So now we're just going to make a random list that anyone can add to.  Bad idea per WP:NOR, WP:V, etc etc.  What makes them historic?  Got sources?  Etc etc.  I'm removing the whole section, this is silly. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Historical Moments 

message: Frankly, your approach to this article is unacceptable per WP policies. This has been thoroughly discussed here, and you have found no support for your position among other editors. We have very reasonably asked you to verify your assertions about the historical importance of the Carter homers, and you have not met your burden. For all the reasons stated above, your edits are inappropriate in the current article. Therefore, to continue to revert on this basis approaches vandalism. -- Padjet1 16:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Ags412 

message: The Sporting News (a completely reputable source) listed Fisk and Dent's home runs on their Baseball's 25 Greatest Moments list.  I re-added those home runs, but don't worry, I didn't call them memorable or historical or anything that will make the wikipedia police pull their hair out.  I simply stated that the two moments appeared on the Sporting News list and referenced them.Ags412 19:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sporting News 

message: I do not think that it is fair to the website owners that this article links directly to photographs on other sites, rather than the page on the photo owner's site where that photo is displayed. If the photo is appropriate  and good enough to be referenced it should be shown as it is displayed on their site, instead leeching their webhosting resources by showing the photo via direct URL only. IMHO that is a form of copyright violation, as copyright holders have the exclusive right to control how their works are used, and unless the owners placed the direct links here themselves, the links should be rewritten to show them as they are displayed on the copyright holders sites.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.53.245.12 (talk) 06:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  linking to photos from other sites 

message: I set up archiving on this talk page due to some very outdated comments.   jj137 (talk) 03:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: What kind of measurements are the current [quote] "37-foot (11 m), two-inch (11.3 m)" and [quote] "The phenomenal depth of the "Arch Nemesis" makes it the volume winner with 144,000 cubic feet (4,100 m³)." Volume of what? I can't make any sense out of these figures. Mamarazzi (talk) 03:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Measurements don't make sense 

message: Can anyone supply a date?
70.88.213.74 (talk) 19:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First called "Green Monster?"