Talk:Keith Floyd

message: Keith Floyd was intelligent, articulate, humane, fascinating and remains a demigod in the world of cuisine. His presentations were accessible to all, were a delight for all to watch, were magical to behold, and his enjoyment or passion was so readily understood and well conveyed that nobody could resist it. 
However, in bleak contrast, your introductory paragraph reads "On television, Floyd was noted for his haphazard presenting style which included frequent consumption of wine, beer and local alcoholic beverages." 
Yes it was noted by many that his enjoyment of life embraced all kinds of pleasures, including the consumption of local wines while cooking to local styles, but your presentation of this fact does less than justice to it. Indeed, it is almost insulting. Keith Floyd was for me, and many, a rare and royal figure, and his passing has left me, and many others, with a feeling of genuine loss and grief. This insulting introductory paragraph belittles the figure and betrays the truth, and, ultimately, diminishes this public encyclopaedia. 
I suggest sincerely that this unfortunate paragraph be somehow corrected. 83.208.165.249 (talk) 21:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro Paragraph 

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message: I don't think the Daily Mirror is a reliable source when it comes to allegations of celebrity scandal. Newspapers such as the Mirror and the Sun have a history of concocting stories of this sort out of next to nothing. The business about £36,000 on drinks sounds phony to me. Just because he's an alcoholic doesn't mean that every bit of booze-related gossip is true. The Mirror article repeatedly talks about "friends" without naming anybody. Even if that rag really did speak to some "friends" of the Floyds, what kind of friends are they? 154.20.80.235 (talk) 12:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not really the issue; see Verifiability not Truth. Wiki doesn't assert whether the allegations are true or false, simply whether the the allegation can be reliably sourced. The Mirror may be scandal-mongers or otherwise but if the article can be reliably sourced to the paper and is referenced neutrally (as in "This ia what the article reported." not "This ia true/false because X says so.") then there is no problem. If, however, you know of other sources of a reliable nature that contradict this assertion, then it is fine to add those as references as well. 86.3.150.116 (talk) 09:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the Mirror a reliable source? The red-tops report loads of false and exaggerated info, often claiming 'friends' of the subject said something, when it is often the case that one or more of the following is the case: a) the person didn't say that; b) the person the paper spoke to was not a friend of the subject; c) the paper made it up, they didn't speak to anyone. Should dubious info from The Mirror, The Sun, The Star etc be on an encyclopedia biography? WP improver (talk) 12:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I can't think of a better way to say it than 86.3.150.116 did. Perhaps "You can't believe all you read in the papers", but then in my opinion you can't believe all you read in the Bible, which does not stop it being a reliable source for Bible stories  (though of course numerous scholars may argue about interpretation, translation etc). Verifiablity, not truth, as long as we allow readers to make up their own minds (by indicating clearly the source and not repeating it as some absolute truth, as if anything is). SimonTrew (talk) 16:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

text: The Mirror is not a reliable source but Wikipedia keeps moving the goalposts anyway so to hell with it 2A00:23C8:9F93:FB01:199C:4938:F0:7F75 (talk) 21:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daily Mirror as a source 

message: This section includes info about his personal life which is not about his career. Should a Personal life section be created, and the relevant info moved there? WP improver (talk) 12:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it already has been. But since the two are somewhat intertwined, I imagine things may move about between sections. SimonTrew (talk) 16:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career section 

message: Is 'His death was nothing to do with liver failure', in the Career section, necessary? Articles don't usually say what a person did not died of, unless there are persistent false reports / claims to that effect. I don't believe many people claim that his death was caused by liver disease. What would be relevant is whether his death had anything to do with his bowel cancer. Article improving (talk) 16:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it on the basis of irrelevancy since the article clearly says he died from a heart attack. He had just had 5 operations to remove cancerous tissue, followed by chemotherapy. Along with the intensive care the year before and being a stroke survivor. It's not trivial to recover from all that.JG17 (talk) 19:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: If we're going to have the quote in the article, then the c-word needs to appear in full - see Wikipedia:Profanity. Please don't change it to include asterisks or other characters. If someone wants to re-write that sentence to not use the quote (or even remove it completely), then feel free. —David Johnson [T|C] 11:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. The quote had no context whatsoever. ie Why did he call them names? In fact he later made it clear he thought they were all very good cooks who were just "seduced by television". He then said the cooks (not chefs) were not to blame for trivializing cookery; it was really the TV producers.JG17 (talk) 19:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It had context when I added it. Now you've just got quotes from those he described as cunts, without any word of KFs criticism, which is not balanced. -- John (Daytona2 ·  Talk ·  Contribs) 18:08, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The balanced context is that they promoted themselves more than the food.JG17 (talk) 13:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's so unspecific as to be almost meaningless. -- John (Daytona2 ·  Talk ·  Contribs) 21:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What's meaningful about "they're all cunts"? If you can make any more sense out of his ramblings then change it. Yes we all use the word but sticking it in an encyclopedia is juvenile and frankly it demeans him just as much as that crap documentary did.JG17 (talk) 21:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Context: On Anthony Worral Thomson's show Floyd said that "celebrity cooks are so up their own bottoms that they do not realise that food should be fun, not a station waiting for a train to arrive to take them to a destination to learn how to cook." That's what he meant! From his blog at: http://keithfloyduncorked.blogspot.com/JG17 (talk) 22:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The c-word 

message: Would it be ok to add this BBC food channel which contains many videos of Keith Floyd programming into the links section? http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0FE5C97A2CDBA9FA Poonerpoob (talk) 07:16, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC food Youtube channel

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message: "With the help of loans from friends, he opened another restaurant in Chandos Road" - no town/city mentioned; where is this? Bristol? Little grape (talk) 09:36, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chandos Road? 

message: It is mentioned several times that he was holding a glass of wine while cooking for television, up to a point where it becomes boring. I think this should be edited in a way that it is mentioned in the introduction only once, and in the remainder of the text also only once. Every other mention of it would be superfluous, I guess.  Wikiklaas  22:50, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mentioning drinking while cooking