Talk:Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project

message: Hi Atulsnischal,
Good work with the Reintroduction of asiatic lion in Kuno-Palpur, but I think it is not necessary to have a separate article for that. As the same text is also contained in Asiatic Lion and Kuno Wildlife Sanctuary, I think that Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project should be deleted. Moreover I think the block "Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project" should be deleted either in Asiatic lion or in Kuno Wildlife sanctuary. I think it is not good to have the same contents twice ore more. What do you think about that? Gruß, --Altaileopard 14:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asiatic Lion Reintroduction 

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"Lions were spread at many place across the Asia. As per local sentiments it is only people of Gir and their tolerance who preserved the lions on cost of their cattle and even human lives. As per the Hindu traditions, the lion is the vehicle of Hindu Goddess Ambaji. Ambaji has high importance in traditions and religious faith of people of Gujarat. Also being widely vegetarian society, It is common faith in Gir locality to consider animal killing as a sin. As per the Gir people these are the reasons behind survival of lions in this place. Even Government of Gujarat and its forest department has put large efforts behind growing the lions count from 20 to 360(+/- 10). Hence they are reluctant to leave their exclusiveness."
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"The relocation of Gir lions faces opposition from local people. Gir lions has remain issue of prestige for people of Gujarat. As per the local sentiments it is the tolerance of Gir people who preserved lions, even after loosing their cattle on regular basis. There are cases of even human death by lions. Also it is unacceptable for them to leave their exclusivity. Hence the Indian central government's move to shift them, attracted oppose in Gir localities as well by the state government of Gujarat. One argument against the lions shifting is that Kuno Wildlife Sanctuary also houses tigers. The tigers being slight stronger than the lions, are potential threat for survival of lions."
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#* 1 Above comment was left in the article on Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project on and by - 15:50, 25 May 2007 Vishal dodiya Talk• Contributions
#* 2 Above comment was left in the article on Gir Forest National Park on and by - 14:21, 25 May 2007 Vishal dodiya Talk• Contributions
Above comments have been removed from the main articles and listed here by me.
Atulsnischal 16:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments removed from main articles and listed here

message: Gir forest has a severe overpopulation of Asiatic lions with most of the yearly increase in population dieing off yearly since Indian independence, and Indian state of Gujarat still wants to keep their monopoly and not transfer excess population elsewhere outside the state and for the purpose keep doling out propaganda to keep public misinformed. For example tiger and lions actually shared most of their habitat in large parts of India, they ridiculously claim tigers will eat the lions:
Reverting Gujarat state sponsored propaganda designed to keep their monopoly on all Asiatic Lions, reverting edits by: Bhushan shah Talk• Contributions
* Though there are some points which should be taken into account as they are raised by Gujarat Government. Kuno has a known population of tigers http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=&id=cf3fccfa-e6f3-47e0-a922-9d1ca35587bd&MatchID1=4735&TeamID1=8&TeamID2=6&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1194&PrimaryID=4735&Headline=All+not+lost%3a+Tigers+alive+in+Kuno&strParent=strParentIDand other tiger ranges in Madhya Pradesh are very near relatively; and it is historical fact that the ranges of lions and tigers in India were never intersected. They always tried to live far from eachother. Also, the Gujarat Government argues that Lions were raised from mere 16 to 360 due to efforts, tolerance and cultural values of the Maldhari tribe which lives in Gir forest in Gujarat. The people in Kuno and around will not have these values and so lions will be in danger. There were even reports that some of the remaining tigers in Kuno were missing and it is believed that they were hunted by poachers. http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=&id=cf3fccfa-e6f3-47e0-a922-9d1ca35587bd&MatchID1=4735&TeamID1=8&TeamID2=6&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1194&PrimaryID=4735&Headline=All+not+lost%3a+Tigers+alive+in+Kuno&strParent=strParentIDThus, lions will not enjoy the level of security that they enjoy currently in Gir WLS. Due to the fragile and delicate number of Lions in wild, any loss of individual is considerable.
* There were records of reintroduction of lions in the past. In 1957, three lions were reintroduced in Chandraprabha WLS in Uttar Pradesh.http://www.wii.gov.in/publications/newsletter/winter04/wii%20in%20field.htm Their numbers increased initially and in 1965, there were eleven lions there. But soon after that,all lions were mysteriously disappeared. It is widely believed that local people around the sanctuary were intolerant to the lions as they were never accustomed to living with lions and they killed all lions as lions prayed on their livestock occasionally.http://www.wii.gov.in/publications/newsletter/winter04/wii%20in%20field.htm It is important to note here that in Gir WLS in Gujarat, lions feed on livestock for more than 50% of the time. Thus, there will be no reason to believe that they will not prey on livestock outside of the Gir WLS. Therefore, lions will have a good chance of coming in confrontation with local people wherever they are reintroduced outside the Kathiawar peninsula where lions currently reside.
Atulsnischal (talk) 05:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: Primarily this reads like an advocacy for translocation of lions. Both sides of the argument must be presented logically and from a neutral POV. I have done some cleanup but more is required. Contributors are also requested to place references properly. AshLin (talk) 05:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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