Talk:Bragança, Portugal

message: Why "Municipality" in the title? If it is to avoid confusion with other entries, then surely this should be done in the disambiguation page. We don't have pages called "London Municipality", "San Francisco Municipality", "Oxford Municipality" etc, do we? Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 10:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely to distinguish it from the district of Bragança. The reality is that in the Portuguese namespace there are different politico-administrative entities that may exist with the same name: the (former) districts, municipalities (concelhos) and/or civil parishes (freguesias), as well as the social construct associated with the urban entity (town/city). In order to remedy these distinctions, those involved in Wikiproject Portuguese Geography started creating qualifiers, for example "(parish)", or "(district)", while the "concelhos" were left as is (for example "Bragança" was the name of the municipality, and had information on the urban city). But, on 16 October 2009, User:TrueColour (a sockpuppet of User:Tobais Conradi) started re-qualifying all Portuguese municipalities as "XXXXX Municipality", while others started creating pages for "municipalities" when those geographical areas included MORE then just the urban entity. I would support a revert to the old article name; Bragança could easily be re-named/reverted from "Bragança Municipality" to the 9 May 2006 title (then validly renamed by User:Mário "Bragança (Portugal)" or even the original "Bragança, Portugal"), as the "district" article is distinct on its own. There could be some conflict in keeping it just "Bragança", since a town/city in Brazil has this name, as well. ruben jc ZEORYMER (talk) 11:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, ZEORYMER, for a very constructive and informative response. As for not keeping it as merely "Bragança" because of a city by the same name in Brazil, surely there is a principle of hierarchy? There are over 20 Oxfords, but the page for ORIGINAL city of Oxford is simply "Oxford", not "Oxford, UK" or similar, given its history etc. Likewise, there is no comparing the two Braganças - the one in Brazil (not to be confused with Bragança Paulista) is a mere one-liner. Conversely, there are various cities and towns called "Sao Paulo", not all of them have pages in the English WP (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo_(desambigua%C3%A7%C3%A3o)), and we don't have any descriptor next to THE São Paulo. Back to Portugal, we have "Lisbon" - not "Lisbon Municipality" and we have "Lisbon District". That makes sense and Bragança should be the same. Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 15:39, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

text: I agree with your appraisal. Yes, by all means, your right: Bragança can very easily stand on its own. If there are no specific quarrels with other editors, it would make more sense to revert to the original Bragança (disambiguation) page and transferring content there. In writing this response, I discovered that there is a Bragança disambiguation page, but that it redirects to "Bragança", while the municipality page was moved to "Bragança Municipality" by another user (User:Pumpie), whose first language was not English (and who has an indefinite block). Confusing. ruben jc ZEORYMER (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "Municipality" in the title? 

message: Dear All.
I propose renaming Bragança (municipality) back to the original Bragança.
Please see my earlier posts and feedback from Zeorymer. 
THE HISTORY: It was originally "Bragança", was moved on 30 September 2004 to Bragança, Portugal by User:Pumpie, a rogue editor with a mile-long record of recriminations, of whom his page says: "his user has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia."
It was then moved in May 2006 to Bragança (Portugal) by User:Mário - no damage there, merely changing a comma for brackets.
It was then moved on 16 October 2009, by User:TrueColour, another editor with a less then honourable track-record, of whom is said on his page: "This account is a suspected sock puppet of Tobias Conradi and has been blocked indefinitely" Blocked october 27, 2009"
MOTIVATION: Against the evidence that I submitted in my earlier post, and in view of the fact that the page was moved by discredited editors (Pumpie and TrueColour), 
I PROPOSE:
1. Moving Bragança to Bragança (disambiguation)
2. Moving Bragança Municipality to Bragança
I look forward to your input, Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 18:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seeking consensus to move back to Braganca 

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