Talk:Schmaltz

message: My own interpretation of the popular meaning Schmaltz as music is a reference specifically to the music of the 40s and 50s, exemplified by such performers as Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin, predating the emergence of Rock (as a white art form with performers such as Elvis Presley).  I've never heard the term used to refer to other periods and types of music, despite its sentimentality level, except in reference to the above mentioned musical period. (anon)
:Schmaltz as a descriptor of music can cover the genre you describe, but it's also applied to the polkas and waltzes popularized in the mid-20th century.  The Lawrence Welk Show would be a good example of this; Liberace and Paul Anka have also been called schmaltzy, and, more recently, Barry Manilow. I am not contradicting your view, just suggesting the term is used so much by critics that it's hard to designate one particular time as the classic or definitive Era of Schmaltz.  -- Lisasmall 02:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're confusing "schmaltzy" with "square". I've looked in three dictionaries, including this one and this one, and they all agree on the sentimental meaning. Moreover, they tell no story of any servant of any queen being the source of the word, but give its etymology merely as the Yiddish meaning of rendered fat. The Dictionary of American Slang dates it to 1951. Also, this reference says that the term is not slang.--BillFlis 13:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schmaltz as Music 

message: Is duck fat a form of schmaltz? Many high-end markets sell rendered duck fat and I know its important in Hungarian cuisine. Should uses of duck fat be part of the shmaltz article or should that be in its own article? Peter G Werner 22:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duck fat? 

message: It is true that some kinds of Schmalz taste strongly and have all that funny stuff (Grieben) in them, however the vanilla pure pork fat, nearly taste- and odorless, used for frying, is also called Schmalz.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.253.2.236 (talk) 20:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schmalz = lard 

message: How else to overcome friction and get readers to swallow the topic?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnshoemaker (talk • contribs) 09:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lard it on! 

message: After all the great discussion on how important it is that schmaltz be from chicken and not pigs, it seems strange that there is a section on 'vegetarian schmaltz'.  Shouldn't that be 'vegetarian imitation schmatlz'?  We don't call margarine 'vegan butter', after all....  --Macrakis (talk) 02:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vegetarian schmaltz

message: I find no relevant hits on google for schmaltz "road sign".  Is this vandalism or a joke?  Gigs (talk) 16:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Road Sign?? 

message: Can it also consist of duck fat? Badagnani (talk) 02:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Duck?

message: Well, I was looking for this article due to the AC/DC song (Let There be Rock). Is the common English spelling "Schmaltz" or is it - like in German - Schmalz?--PeterTrompeter (talk) 12:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schmalz/Schmaltz 

message: The article mentions the expression falling into the schmaltz pot, meaning to be lucky. Would it be fitting to add that, incidentally, the similar German saying stepping into the lard pot means just the opposite, namely to make a faux-pas?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andersenman (talk • contribs) 17:07, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the lard pot 

message: What does everyone think of this: limit this article to just the use of "schmaltz" in Jewish cuisine, i.e. rendered goose, duck, or chicken fat, leaving all mention of pork schmaltz--i.e. lard--to the article on lard, perhaps creating a new "Lard by country" section and have the text taken from this article be the Germany/Austria section or something. Furthermore, the principles that underlie WP:UE and WP:UCN would suggest a similar change--when I, a native speaker of English, talk about "schmaltz" in English, I'm almost never talking about lard. Were I in Germany, I might say "schmaltz" while speaking English in reference to lard if it were something like griebenschmaltz that doesn't have a native name in English, but then it would be a foreign term. However, when I say "schmaltz" in America, I don't mean lard. I mean either poultry fat or sappy sentimentality--usually the latter, since only Jews and Judaeophile foodies like me know what the former is. In these Yiddish-derived senses, the word is fully naturalized into American English, and on that grounds I would suggest that we focus on the word as it is used in American English--poultry fat, sentiment, and colorful Yinglish idioms. Lockesdonkey (talk) 21:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refocus article? 

message: Realistically the word Schmaltz was brought into the English Language trough German and Yiddish.
We are now arguing for a total dominance of the one influence over the other and this way to justify a narrow view on the term.
I don’t believe that the question “What is Schmaltz” would be clearly answered by English speakers throughout the world as “Animal Fat NOT from pigs”. 
Besides other’s, I lived in South Africa, UAE and the UK. In neither place I had a problem to buy Schmaltz from pig fat. From conversations, with locals (non-Germans), I would clearly take the impression away that they understand Schmaltz as fat of different origins, including pigs.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by OliverBischoff (talk • contribs) 10:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refocus is a sad idea 

message: While focussing on keeping this article narrow to one cultural aspect of subject, the content seems to be reduced to little informative points and more anecdotal story telling.
Examples in Vegetarian schmaltz - Only Advertisement?
* I cannot find much about Debra's Schmaltz… It seems to not be listed on the Heartfoundation’s Web site http://www.heartfoundation.co.za/products
* The reference to astray.com  seems to have little substance “As far as I can tell the first commercially made vegetarian "schmaltz" was made …”
For the sake of the English speaking world, get over the ideology and add some content (That was partially there before). If I want to know something about Schmalz, this is currently not the place to go.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by OliverBischoff (talk • contribs) 10:58, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor Quality 

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thread_title:  Blacklisted Links Found on [[Schmaltz]] 

message: I was looking for an article on the Polish food Smalec and the term redirected here. Smalec is a Polish spread made from rendered pig fat, so it doesn't seem appropriate that it should redirect to an article on kosher cuisine.
This recipe seems fairly typical of many that are available online- all of which are based on rendered pork fat.
https://polishhousewife.com/smalec-recipe/
Maybe 'Smalec' should redirect to the article on lard rather than to this article- at least until such time as there's enough information provided by someone who knows about the subject for it to have its own article.
IrishPete 18:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smalec