Talk:Helen Shiller

message: External links may not be biased and must be encyclopedic resources or mainstream, reputable media. See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Verifiability, in particular "unduly self-serving" under "Self-published and dubious sources in articles about the author." These links were deleted by an editor during a temporary protection and restored as soon as protection was dropped. Please note this is a Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons and so requires strict enforcement.  Hugh 01:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What possible reason could you have for not linking to the official website of the subject of the article?  PETA links to peta.org.  Microsoft links to microsoft.com.  This woman is a city councilperson, so the article links to the city council website.  BigDT 00:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article is unsourced. it is not at all clear that there is any relationship between the text of this article and the three "External links." Are the three links "external links" or "references/sources"? If they are sources please label them as "References" and conform to policy. The three links are unacceptable as per policy as sources. They are self-published. They have not been subject to any form of independent fact-checking. No one stands between the writer and the act of publication. They are self-serving and self-aggrandizing. Hugh 01:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, one of them -  - just gives her contact info and other basic info related to her office.  I'm not sure how that one is biased.  If you can find better sources, please do so and add them.  Wikipedia:External links#What should be linked #1 says, "Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if any."  So I don't see any logical reason not to link to her official campaign site and official city of Chicago site. --BigDT 01:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so you are saying they are external links. Do you agree they are not permissible SOURCES? So what ARE the sources of the text in the article? Fine, link to the three self-published sites. That still leaves the article unsourced and so a candidate for deletion. It's not a matter of adding additional quality sources, policy permits immediate deletion of unsourced material in biographies of living persons, don't wait for sources.Hugh 02:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are lawyering now. WP:BLP insists only in the removal of unsourced negative information. If there is any of that, feel free to remove it. As for official sites, there is no need to view them as unreliable sources for uncontroversial information. They are only dubious where they may be being used to whitewash a subject. What information in them (that we are including in the article) do you think may be biased? --Docg 03:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Not necessarily negative, just controversial. "Shiller has sponsored and fought for many new ordinances and programs." This is controversial as well as a violation of neutral point of view. The "many" part is not supported by the facts of Shiller's published voting record. Compared to the tens of thousands of administration ordinances and programs Shiller rubber-stamped that she did NOT sponsor, she can not be considered to have sponsored MANY ordinances or programs. Considering the two decades she has had the job of legislator, the handful of issues mentioned cannot be considered "many." Hugh 03:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, Doc, BigDT thanks for your patience. I learned more about Wikipedia. Hugh 16:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
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