Talk:Terrible Towel

message: I am getting a little frustrated that each and every article I have ever read on the towel bats down the "gimmick" label, it is a symbol almost a flag of a people, all proceeds of sales go to charity (which is more than I can say for the United States Flag, is that also a gimmick?) Since some on here can't seem to find the CNTRL and F buttons on their computer this is the section of article which dispels it being a gimmick:
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"The original concept of a towel did not appeal to Mr. Russell. But in that playoff game against the Colts, the lumbering linebacker set a record that still stands with his 93-yard return of a fumble for a touchdown, towels all aflutter.
"It's kind of embarrassing for me," he said with a self-deprecating chuckle. "I told him I thought it was a gimmick, and the Steelers aren't a gimmick team.
"But when you see all those towels waving in the stadium now, and all those towels displayed at bars around the country and around the globe, it's safe to say I was wrong."  END QUOTE:::
and the link:
I will be happy to put "gimmick" on the religious articles concerning their symbols and the national flag articles for those that have united in their common heritage with this symbol to compare the towel to some microwaved ad promo that the Jacksonville Jaguars came out with 5 minutes ago is a little insulting.  1975, 1985, 1995, 2005, 2009 generations of Pittsburgh diaspora WORLDWIDE and those adopted diaspora have used the towel as a link to their 
common legacy.  
::: Anyone who dismisses this as a gimmick shows their absolute ignorance of Pittsburgh history, Steelers tradition and just basic football 101 ::: If this was 1977 you might have a point, this is not 1977.  The Loyalists called the U.S. flag a gimmick in 1777, is that still a gimmick, please edit that wiki page accordingly thank you.
Hholt01 (talk) 05:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Evidently the word "gimmick" has a negative connotation... If you read the article Myron Cope was approached to create a "gimmick" that's right out of his book. I would like to see an alternate, verifiable from reliable sources term that is alternately used before anything is changed. blackngold29 05:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree, that would be an acceptable alternative, as "gimmick" sound a little POV to me, fan symbol sound neutral. Scapler (talk) 22:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Not a gimmick!

message: The actual idea came from a man named Larry Garret, also in radio in Pittsburgh with Myron Cope. It was Myron who made it famous and made it a Steeler icon. Mr. Cope has given credit to Larry Garret on various occassions.
:According to Cope's book, Double Yoi!, Garret did suggest the idea of using a towel, however it was Cope that came up with the phrase "Terrible Towel", and the idea that they should be yellow towels.Blackngold29 (talk) 01:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually... the idea of a "towel" came from fans of the Vancouver Canucks.  They played a game against the Edmonton Oilers in which they were being victimized by horrible officiating, and the fans began waving white towels to symbolize surrender flags.  It stuck as a Canucks gimmick, and fans of other teams have always waved a towel.  ...Funny how the Pittsburgh Steelers use a gimmick that was originally inspired by bad officiating.12.26.68.146 (talk) 22:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Canucks fans did not start with their towels until the 1980s. Source blackngold29 23:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible Towel creator 

message: There is a neutrality dispute of the related sports phenomena section. Why is this so? If it is noted what is disputed I am sure that it could be quickly fixed. Also, is this section really necessary to the article? Thank You. Blackngold29 (talk) 01:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the section, as it did not contribute to the topic. That should end the dispute, as well. Blackngold29 (talk) 03:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality Dispute 

message: Should the green knockoff be added to the article that was used in Super Bowl XL for the Seahawks?
--207.162.187.145 (talk) 19:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you could cite it to a reliable source, I would certainly think so. Blackngold29 21:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Easier said than done.All i've found is some text snippets on it on google and no video clips.I'll keep trying but....
--207.162.187.145 (talk) 03:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay,I have an account,and I have photo proof I found on Youtube and found a canadian(sorta) variation of the towel.But I can't post it cause it says that only confirmed members and admins can make an image.
EDIT:Nevermind,it got a reference--Legiondude (talk) 00:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

text: You Tube isn't a relaible source, nor a pictures (thanks to Photoshop). I reverted the edits, because I saw no other source. Blackngold29 04:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *sigh*Well damn....... back to searching then --Legiondude (talk) 20:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knockoffs 

message: In the section about the Tennessee Titans stomping on the Towel, Keith Bulluck's name is mispelled, thus causing the link not to work correctly. It should be Spelled Bulluck.
:Fixed. Thanks. blackngold29 18:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in Linkage/Spelling 

message: I have tried several times to edit the appearance section of the Terrible Towel article to correct the errors and to accurately describe the towel.  When originally released by Gimbel's Department Store, the towel was available in gold with black lettering and black with gold lettering (not yellow, as reported in the article) and was emblazoned simply with "The Terrible Towel" logo. Since the original release of "The Terrible Towel", modifications have been made to the design. The current version of the Towel adds the words "Myron Cope's Official" above the logo and "A Pittsburgh Original" below it.
I bought a Terrible Towel at that time and still have it.  
Here is a photo which I just took:
Appleseed15219 (talk) 06:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I stated before, it's WP:V that counts, that's official WP policy. I personally believe you, I think that is an awesome collector's item and certainly a piece of Pittsburgh history, but unfortunately we'll need a reliable source before changing the prose. blackngold29 06:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible Towel actual appearance 

message: In the article Towel Power about the Vancouver Cannucks tradition that started in 1982, there is an editor who refuses to do research but claims towel waving in sports started with them.  Despite the fact that the article has existed in part as a description of the general sports towel waving phenomia, with mention of the Homer Hanky etc, this editor insists on removing all mention of the Terrible Towel in order to further his rewriting of history. As I am going to run into a three revert rule, so I need help maintaining the accuracy of that article.  You may want to check out and help with the article and the article's discussion and add it it your watch list. CrazyPaco (talk) 18:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This was also disputed in the "Terrible Towel creator" section above. I posted the same article over at the Towel Power talk page, hope it helps since it does specifically mention Vancouver. blackngold29 03:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins of Towel Waving disputed by Vancouver

message: Is it worth noting that the Baltimore Ravens provided their fans with towels of their own colors prior to this game? The source is http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2009/11/Press_Release_-_Ravens_To_Provide_Rally_Towels_Sunday.aspx. Not sure if the story is notable enough, but the Ravens are the Steelers' biggest rivals I believe, so this could be worth a sentence or possibly more. 68.63.64.51 (talk) 08:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steelers vs. Ravens, Nov. 29, 2009 

message: OK, do we REALLY need to mention whether or not the Ravens "ended" the Terrible Curse? I highly doubt it. It wasn't ended. Plus, it's not relevant to the article anyways and is either being added without sources or from a blog, which isn't a reliable source. Let's just keep the Ravens Super Bowl run out of the article. It has to be added by some jealous Ravens fan. Jgera5 (talk) 16:40, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible Curse 

message: The Dolphins white hankies are mentioned in the article. Oakland Raiders fans responded by waving black socks. When Cope introduced the towel in his TV commentary, he said the towel was in response to both the hankies and the socks.Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 00:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raiders socks