Talk:Oromia

message: The article about Oromia is a very racist and divisive  article intended to spread false and tiwisted information. It is aim is nothing more than to promote separatist propaganda and distroy Ethiopia as a nation. It is a very biased pro-Oromo  antiAmhara article. 
bek —the preceding comment is by 64.229.248.187 - 01:39, 16 December 2004: Please sign your posts!
:I think bek did not read or could not read, because I do not see any of the things he is accusing the article for. Could it be he is describing himself, and may be his own supermacist Amhara people? :Joe —the preceding comment is by 151.197.122.120 - 07:57, 2 January 2005: Please sign your posts!
:: Bek... is talking about some thing that is not the article talking about. But his mind is blinded by the hatrate he devloped in him. 
::please bek, be open mind, ::Boru —the preceding comment is by 68.211.102.199 - 15:30, 25 February 2006: Please sign your posts!
:::Bek's comment has been there for quite a while, and is in response to a much earlier version of this article. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 16:22, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: I have added information about the regional capital, Finfine (which now has its own article in Wikipedia).  I know that the selection of Finfine as the capital was controversial, and I knew I could not mention Adama without also mentioning the controversy.  I tried to keep NPOV. Gyrofrog 20:39, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I understood your question correctly. When you say "English letters," are you referring to the Latin alphabet?  The Oromo language has used a modified Roman alphabet since 1991.  See Oromo language for more information. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure that's what she means. It has to do with politics, Rosyln (Rosalyn?). The main Oromo group in 1991 was the OLF, who felt oppressed by Semitic-speaking Ethiopians for a variety of reasons (too long to go into here) and adopted a modified Latin alphabet (called Qubee) instead of the Ge'ez (used earlier) due to these political issues, and putatively also due to being better adapted (though there are both benefits and drawbacks imparted by each alphabet). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the article was fairly clear regarding the Adama controversy (I wrote that, hoping to adhere to a neutral POV).  Anyway, thanks for that update, I had not read anything about the capital moving again.  I just found three articles from Walta Information Center.    I guess this didn't make the international news, what with the recent post-election events.  Normally, one would have expected this sort of news to turn up on allafrica.com.  -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 04:54, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Adama

message: The capital city of Oromia is Finfinne (Addis Ababa). The decision to move the city to Adama was against 
the constitution and purely a political decision. No one except the Oromo people has the right over thier land. The Amara elite fear the very name of Oromia and Oromo.  Now the city in another political decision moved back to Finfinne. Those who deny themsels the truth die from its hunger.
Bontu Oromia —the preceding comment is by 172.162.147.208 - 23:02, 23 June 2005: Please sign your posts!
: I think the article was fairly clear regarding the Adama controversy (I wrote that, hoping to adhere to a neutral POV).  Anyway, thanks for that update, I had not read anything about the capital moving again.  I just found three articles from Walta Information Center.    I guess this didn't make the international news, what with the recent post-election events.  Normally, one would have expected this sort of news to turn up on allafrica.com.  -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 04:54, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Finfinne not Adama

message: Comparing information on the Oromia Government website & from the Worldstatesmen webpage, I find that the names of the most recent Presidents differ:
Worldstatesmen                              	Oromia Government
Juneidi Sad (commented out: or Junedin Sado)	Obbo Juneydi Saddo
Abadula Gemeda                              	Abbadula Gemmeda
So which forms of these names should we follow in this article? -- llywrch 22:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Obbo is basically 'mister', so it shouldn't be there.  The Oromo orthography for the last name is Gammada.  Not everybody spells their name according to the orthography though.  Abbadula might be an Oromo version of "Abdul", but I'm not sure how it's pronounced (or spelled). Don't know about the others.  — MikeG (talk) 05:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mike's pretty much got it, I think. "Abdul" is not an Arabic name, so I don't think that's it (Abdul only shows up as part of a name like "`Abdul Qadir," from "`Abdu al-Qadir," with the "a" in al- being an "elliding alif"). I'm pretty sure that it's "Abba Dula" but one word, with "Abba" being related to "Obbo," and the word for "father." As for Gemmeda, Gemeda, English transliteration for Qubee-written (modified Latin alphabet) Oromo names is to use "e" for "a" and "a" for "aa" in the same way that first order vowels in Amharic are phonetically written with "e" in English, but fourth order vowels are "a," descending from short "a" and long "aa" respectively, which have been semi-preserved in Afaan Oromo, IIRC (o vs. oo and e vs. ee have definitely been preserved, though). Clarifying the others would be hard, but I'd go with the oromiagov.org spellings for those. Their spelling is definitely more like the Qubee spelling. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Update: The current president's name is as such in Ge'ez: ክቡር አባ ዱላ ገመዳ Kibūr 'Ab(b)ā Dūlā Gem(m)edā. Kibur = "Honorable." I.e. "The Honorable Abba Dula Gemmeda." The status of the "a" in Abba is probably lengthened, meaning in Qubee it is spelled Abbaa, but I'm not entirely certain. Dula in Qubee is also probably Duulaa, but I can't confirm that. The use of the first order for "ge" and "me," confirm that the Qubee spelling would be Gammadaa (are you sure it's Gammada with a single "a" at the end, Mike?). It's here in this Government video Google video link (Go to 1:22). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 06:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  State/Regional Presidents 

message: As Oromia constitution states, Addis Ababa is its capital city and Harari region is its administrative center for East Hararghe Zone. I think we need to add this when saying "Addis Ababa as an enclave surrounded by Shewa in its center and the Harari Region as an enclave surrounded by East Hararghe in its east." If there is no oppose, I would try to add next week. 196.189.89.245 (talk) 11:52, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addis Ababa and Harari as enclave? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Procedural close. An RM on this topic has only just concluded, with a consensus to move to the present title. If there is an issue with the close (which seems unlikely, as the consensus looks quite clear) then that should be discussed with the closer and possibly challenged at WP:MRV. But opening an immediate new RM is out of process. Cheers   — Amakuru (talk) 15:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oromia region →  – The subject talks about a particular region name in Ethiopia. Thus, the name must use capitalization in Region or should use parenthesis like Oromia (region). I am totally disagreed with the fixated Oromia region. The Supermind (talk) 15:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

text: The discussion on this closed only a few hours ago. Just because you disagree with the outcome does not mean we should re-open the discussion. Please follow the consensus that has been established. Laplorfill (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 25 May 2021

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved   (t · c) buidhe 07:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oromia region →  – Already redirects here. This is the primary topic. The only other Oromia we have is the Oromia Zone and that can be dealt with in a hatnote. The only other Oromias are (a) the Oromo homeland and (b) Greater Oromia, both controversial topics and neither normally called Oromia. Srnec (talk) 01:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 29 May 2021

message: The Oromo and regional state of Oromia refers to it as "Finfinne". Therefore it is just to call it that first since this is the Oromia page. Leyncho (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not good place to make WP:SOAP and original research. You can leave away from this project if you have hatred against certain ethnic group or ethnocentric emotion. This page is not for your interest, it is for Wikipedia which is global encyclopedia used by any world users at any time. The Supermind (talk) 09:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Refer to Capital as "Finfinne" on this page

message: The data about the religious composition of the population is even more absurd (taken from the current version):
Religion (entire region)	1994 Census	2007 CensusCensus 2007 Tables: Oromia Region , Table 3.3.
Muslim                  	47.3%      	47.6%
Orthodox Christians     	37%        	38.4%
Protestant Christians   	8.6%       	9.7%
Waaqeffanna             	4.2%       	3.3%
other religious groups  	1.6%       	1%
Religion (urban areas)	1994 Census	2019 Census
Orthodox Christians   	68.3%      	31.7%
Muslim                	49.2%      	38.8%
Protestant Christians 	15.6%      	9.7%
other religious groups	–          	1.5%
The "urban areas"-data from the 1994 census sums up to 133,1%. I will fix this, too. –Austronesier (talk) 09:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for all your hard work in fixing this too, Austronesier ! --  10:34, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for spotting the issue with all these tables in the first place! Let's permalink this version here Special:Permalink/1044652604 for posterity (I would like to place it inside a colorful box, but I don't know how to do this). Most likely, vandals/POV-pushers (even those that manage to go beyond lead and infobox against their innate limitations) aren't subtle enough to check this kind of detail. wikt:die Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt –Austronesier (talk) 12:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved per unanimous consensus, identified as primary topic.  No such user (talk) 12:49, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oromia →  – Courtesy move request. Not identifying what it is, see Oromia Zone and Oromia Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne. Unless you give an exclusive naming for the region as Oromia, most readers ambiguated with all things surrounding Oromo zones and regions. The Supermind (talk) 09:09, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 20 September 2021

message: Was this piece written by the OLF? 102.52.52.14 (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: > as there is still no correct estimate of the history of their settlement in the region. An evidence is given that they are the womb from which most of the eastern Cushitic peoples emerged...
What evidence is given? What does this even mean? This is very poetic language and I think it is unsuitable. There is evidence that the Somalis are an eastern Cushitic people, but I have found absolutely no evidence that the eastern Cushitic peoples are break-away groups from the Oromo. 
The source on the Arabian and Jewish settlement of Ethiopia is an Amazon link. Not cool.
> Ethiopians often refer to aboriginal people of Central and Southern Ethiopia as immigrants as they say "Accuse Your Enemy Of What You Are Doing, As You Are Doing It To Create Confusion"
This is very strange. Is this happening in the modern day, 800 years after the arrival? I was so confused that I actually got a copy of this book "Aksum : an African civilisation of late antiquity" from the central library in my city and the source is blatantly false. Page 73 of the book deals with the politics of Aksum and the surrounding polities in the 3rd century CE, a good millennium before anything relevant here. The entire book ends with the fall of Aksum and the rise of the Arab states in the 8th century. It is a wonderful book which has no place in this article. It also does not contain that "Accuse Your Enemy" adage. This seems to be a misquote of Goebbels of all people Goebbels at Nuremberg — 1934 (see the beginning of the second paragraph). I have no idea why it was added. Weirdly, searching for it has it misattributed to everyone from Hitler to Marx.
I do not have the expertise to do so, but I believe that this whole section should be rewritten.
Sycration (talk) 00:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph of History section is poor 

message: I've never had to do one of these before but a 2001:8f8 IP (technically multiple IPs but clearly the same person) added an unencyclopedic and dubiously true paragraph to the history section in October, multiple people have tried to remove it and in fact it's the reason this page is protected in the first place but despite this it's still been up for 6 months. Please just remove this section as well as the "and their country Oromia" thing (also added by 8f8). 8f8 creating the paragraph
2600:4041:402:BB00:D5C1:DABD:AF9F:8311 (talk) 03:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: the claims have been cn tagged M.Bitton (talk) 18:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove first paragraph of history section 

message: Addis Ababa isn’t part of oromia and has never been the capital city of oromia. The capital city of Oromia has always been Adama(Nazret). Finfine is not the name of Addis Ababa, finfine is the name of filwoha (a place found in Addis Ababa). All those informations you wrote are misleading and false please correct them. Thank you196.189.29.187 (talk) 09:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addis Ababa is not part of Oromia 

message: The capital city of Oromia is Finfinne not Adama. What they jote down here is fake!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebo7069 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2023 

message: The capital city of Oromia is not Addis Ababa it is in the constitution of the country why Wikipedia out of law. this can cause life to lose in the country.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnananmoges (talk • contribs) 09:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The capital city of Oromia is not Addis Ababa it is in the constitution of the country why Wikipedia out of law.  

message: Addis Ababa is a city of federal government not regional. Any one who think and support the above idea, he/she may lack of understanding thw rule and regulation of constitution and implementation of it. Please read and try to understand openly. 196.190.52.192 (talk) 13:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital city of Oromia is Nazret(Adama) 

message: Not for arguing with you but I just recommend you to refer Article 6 of Oromia Regional State constitution amended in 1994 E.C. It clearly states Adama as the capital city of Oromia Regional State. 
And I suggest you to read thoroughly what article 49 of FDRE constitution says as you used this article as a reference. Does this article states Addis Ababa as the capital city of Oromia Regional State? 102.218.51.74 (talk) 05:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The capital city of Oromia Regional State is Adama not Addis Ababa.