Template talk:Scuderia Ferrari

message: Are the "Notable Former Drivers" in any particular order? If not, should they be - alphabetical? date? DH85868993 14:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of Notable Former Drivers 

message: Hi — Does anyone else reckon the flags in the current version make the template look jumbled? If for some reason they need to remain, perhaps the "Navbox with columns" template would tidy them up, otherwise why not be rid of them per here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Scuderia_Ferrari&oldid=166233341. Sardanaphalus 15:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole section is a bit confusing - what is the inclusion criteria?  I'm not sure that Irvine is particularly notable despite some race wins, and while the nationality of the drivers can be important to such a proudly Italian team I'm not sure it presents the information particularly well.  I do like the touch of yellow on your linked version.  violet/riga (t) 15:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You like the yellow? And to think that, just up the page, you were chastising me about having poor taste in colour ;-) For your other concerns, Irvine has both won races (plural) for the team, and is a recent driver who is still widely associated with Ferrari, in preference to his other teams. Also, driver nationality is not simply a Ferrari issue, it is an imporant part of F1 as a whole. This dates back to the Grands Epreuve origins in the Edwardian Gordon Bennett Cup. It may seem a bit anachronistic today, but it is a deeply ingrained and significant feature of the F1 culture. Pyrope 14:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But do you think of Irvine when you think of Ferrari?  He's certainly not one of the major Ferrari stars of the past and I wouldn't say he's notable enough - we should develop some form of inclusion criteria.  violet/riga (t) 14:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Inclusion criteria would be a good thing, but I have a feeling that the criteria would have to be determined on a team-by-team basis and would be debated long into the night. For a long-established team such as Ferrari you might argue that only World Championship-winners were sufficiently notable. But where would that leave Gilles Villeneuve? Ok, so we widen it to "drivers who are commonly associated with Ferrari". But that is subjective, how do you comply with WP:V? Ok, so make it "drivers who have won more than x races for Ferrari". But what about von Trips? He only won two races (fewer than Irvine) and his best WC ranking was only second (as was Irvine's) yet he is absolutely associated with the Prancing Horse. See how difficult this gets? Pyrope 14:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes I understand the difficulties, but we could use "x wins" OR "y years".  As you say though we should be discussing this as a wider issue.  violet/riga (t) 20:05, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, but if the flags are kept, might they at least be aligned in some way? The template seems so jumbled otherwise. Sardanaphalus 11:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: Seeing as you folks all seem to have taken an interest in this navbox and its underlying formatting, perhaps you would like to contribute to a generalised discussion at the Wikiproject F1 talk page? This way we can address all your concerns at once, rather than deal on a box-to-box basis. Pyrope 14:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please comment at [[WP:F1]] 

message: In order to prevent any future possibility of controversy over who constitutes a "notable former Ferrari driver", might it be a good idea to replace the drivers currently listed with a link to :Category:Ferrari Formula One drivers?--Diniz (talk) 23:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that "Other noted drivers" has been added back in again. I think we probably don't need both "Former drivers" and "Other noted drivers". DH85868993 (talk) 01:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable former drivers 

message: Wouldn't it be more accurate to categorize the non-F1 cars in this template as Sports racing cars rather than "Long distance"? While many of these cars participated in endurance races, they weren't exclusively produced for and raced in these type of events. And the wikilink to Le Mans Prototype makes no sense as all of these cars either don't fit this classification or were produced long before the LMP class was even developed. Rssyng (talk) 20:33, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: "Long distance" vs "Sports Racing"