Talk:The Winds of Winter

message: It’s several screens on my iPad. We’re not talking about the novel of the century here. 82.36.70.45 (talk) 19:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: we might be...... 80.189.136.3 (talk) 17:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The writing history is getting ridiculously long 

message: I removed a touch of trivia - that GRRM didn't work on the novel while attending conferences in 2012. This has been readded by User:Isaidnoway who seemingly finds it nontrivial and a part of the books history. I'd like to remove it again and would like opinions Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan (talk) 21:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it's trivial and support removing it. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 22:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

text: It is relevant to the , it provides context and an explanation during that timeframe as to why the book has been "delayed several times", which is mentioned in the lead. As GRRM is quoted in the source you removed from the article - . The delay of the book itself is notable, and it is not trivial to include content that explains why. It's also mentioned here - Martin says that he’d get back to writing The Winds of Winter at the start of 2012 once the publicity cycle for A Dance With Dragons winds down. In fact, there are several articles talking about the delay of the book , , , , ,  and it would probably be DUE to include a small section for that aspect on the . Isaidnoway (talk) 01:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There are already sourced descriptions of large nontrivial delays already. It's ok for authors to take vacations, and it isn't historic. Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan (talk) 02:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Books signings and attending conventions isn't taking a vacation, it is standard practice for authors to promote their work, and is expected from them from the publishing company. It's no different than actors promoting a movie/TV show on late night shows, it is expected of them. The obvious difference here being the historic delay in this book getting written, and as previously mentioned, the content in question provides context and an explanation during that timeframe. Isaidnoway (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: He does a lot of stuff and works on a lot of projects. Anytime he isn't working on The Winds of Winter, it isn't history. Its trivia. The entire history section should be condensed to one or two paragraphs. Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan (talk) 14:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Well, when you put it THAT way. I don't think EVERY rationale for every delay on this book is notable—we don't need to explain every single delay—but that particular quote and context relating to ADWD seems like decent enough for inclusion because it's nearer to the beginning of the book's writing history. But, the quote you just included wasn't in the removed portion. I think a contextless "because he spent time on tour and at conventions" is trivial. Couching it in "He wanted to get back to it after the publicity cycle died down" and the thing about finding writing and fan events conflict with one another does belong in the "Writing history" section (but not "Chapters", from where the removal is.) ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 02:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not opposed to expanding his rationale and moving it to a different section. Isaidnoway (talk) 08:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summer vacation 2012 due as part of writing history?