Talk:Turko-Iranian

message: I want to know your opinion about this article. It seems to be supported by separatism and Pan-Turkism ideologists! It may be against Wikipedia:No original research! It is not NPOV. What do you think?
zandweb 07:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideas 

message: Among all modern Turkic-speaking nations, Uzbekistan is the closest to Persian culture and society (not Azerbaijan, as some here may believe). The Uzbek language, a direct descendant of the Chagatay language, is among all Turkic language the closest to Persian, and it is the one that has been influenced most (Uzbek has lost the typical Turkic vocal harmony, it has partly adopted Persian grammar, and more than 50% of the language's vocabulary is made of Perso-Arabic words). The Uzbek people are of mixed origin - Turkic and Iranian, as well as Mongolian and Slavic - just like the Tajiks. It just happens that they speak a Turkic language, while the Tajiks speak Persian.  Throughout the past 500 years, Uzbeks have adopted the original Iranian culture of Central-Asia, to an extant that nowadays, many Uzbeks are known as Sart, a term that was originally only applied to Persians. Uzbeks have also adopted many typical Iranian cutoms, such as Nowruz or the use of espand. The "Uzbek dress" is the typical Central-Asian dress of the Sogdian era. Many Uzbek scholars, writers, and even the normal population use Persian and Uzbek in their works or every-day speech. Uzbek musicians, such as Yulduz Usmanova, sing in Persian and Uzbek (see here: ).
The term "Uzbek" (as well as "Tajik) was more or less forced on the Uzbek (and Tajik) peoples of Central-Asia by the Russians who "in 24 hours" created new ethnic groups and borders in Central Asia. Before that, the people were distinguished by their ways of life, rather than by language or origin (since almost everyone in Central Asia is of mixed origin and is naturally bi-lingual). The city dweelers and traders were universally known as "Sart", while the nomads were universally known as "Turk". When the Russians conquered Central Asia, the eliminated the terms "Turk" and "Persian" (because they feared Pan-Turkic and Pan-Iranian revolts), and they devided the population by language ("devide and conquer!"): they created two different ethnic groups that were previously one: Uzbeks and Tajiks.
Tājik 23:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uzbekistan 

message: I think the order Turko-Iranian should refer to its better to be first 'countries' and then the various 'minorities'. as for Nowruz (which i saw in the last edit summary by Zaparojdik), i am not an expert, but what i see from the respective article is that it is an ancient persian holiday, link to Zoroastrianism, so, i can't see any dispute of it having to do anything with the Turkic peoples... Hectorian 22:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (sorry, i edited this comment without realising that Ali doostzadeh was faster than me in reverting...) Hectorian 22:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for revert 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Turko-Iranian (disambiguation) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 8#Turko-Iranian (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Turko-Iranian (disambiguation)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]