Talk:Milwaukee Road

message: "Milwaukee Road" is a much more common name for this railway, especially considering the many name changes that happened over the years. I think this page should be moved back to that name.  —User:Mulad (talk) 17:57, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
:I moved it; it had this name for a long time before the end. Milwaukee Road still redirects here, and you can still link to that. The only thing that changes is the official title, which I feel should be the official name in most cases. Eh, if you want to be inconsistent, feel free to move it back. Have fun changing all the redirects. --SPUI 18:08, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Another comment - we don't, for example, have Central Railroad of New Jersey at Jersey Central Lines, or New York Central Railroad at Water Level Route. If you want to find information in a historical database or book, like Moody's or Poor's, you look it up under the official name, not the nickname, however common. For instance, if you search  (which is based on Poor's, Moody's, and other official and semi-official sources) for Milwaukee Road, it says "See Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific Railroad". Soo Line isn't even covered, with only one entry, simply having "Soo Line Railroad" in the railroad field. --SPUI 18:14, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, all I'm saying is that Wikipedia is different than a reference manual, usually using the common name rather than the official name, at least when there is a significant difference in recognition between the two (for example, the article for Julius Caesar is not named "Gaius Julius Caesar"). Anyway, I'm putting it to a vote at Wikipedia:Requested moves.  —User:Mulad (talk) 22:47, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
====Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad → Milwaukee Road====
Much more well known as the Milwaukee Road. (The railroad also went through multiple name changes in its lifetime.)  —User:Mulad (talk) 22:47, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
*Oppose: Leave at official title, redirect as is. Cburnett 22:55, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was this page moved? 

message: Much more well known as the Milwaukee Road. (The railroad also went through multiple name changes in its lifetime.)  —User:Mulad (talk) 22:47, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
*Oppose: Leave at official title, redirect as is. Cburnett 22:55, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad]] → [[Milwaukee Road]]

message: The St. Paul and Pacific Railroad plays an interesting role in the life of Knute Nelson, and a link is made to this article from his in WP. It might be interesting to include more information about the extension that so preoccupied the Minnesota legislature in the mid-1870s. --Leifern 17:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think the St. Paul and Pacific Railroad mentioned in that article later became the Great Northern Railway (U.S.), under the organization of James J. Hill. The Milwaukee Road didn't even build their extension until about 1905, according to this article, whereas the St. Paul and Pacific Railroad was struggling to build its extension to Alexandria and Winnipeg in the mid-1870s. I have a book of Minnesota history at home that explains more about this; I'll look up the information and look into adding it into the Knute Nelson article. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 19:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I made that one correction, but further edits to the Knute Nelson article would be great. It's looking to be a long article, and I'm writing as I do the research. --Leifern 19:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SP&P 

message: The Milwaukee Road designed the tracks, and cars wheels, to have a slightly smaller than the standard distance between them This enabled their cars to run on other companies' tracks but prevented others from using their tracks. Their wheels would run on the inside portion of the tracks of other companies. When other companies tried to use the Milwaukee Road's tracks, their cars' wheels would ride on the outside of the rails and frequently would derail.
:What???
:This is egregious nonsense, but apparently it needs to be made plain. (And I am rather surprised that no one has commented on this in the past year and a half.) For starters, referring to what is properly the track gauge as "rail distance size" ("the standard distance between them") is a strong indication that this editor is unfamiliar with both the term and the topic. That a novel and even unlikely suggestion is made without any kind of citation seriously undercuts credibility of both the suggestion and the editor. Failure to sign the edit (which the history shows was done anonymously from 76.229.213.77) further suggests an inexperienced and naive editor.
:Even if all the above objections were notwithstanding, the suggestion is nonsensical on its face. I doubt that such a ploy would even work as suggested. And quite pointless: why would any railroad want to increase the liklihood of derailments on their own trackage? It would be senseless. Which is a strong enough argument (lacking any contrary examples or evidence) to support a conclusion that no main-line railroad ever attempted such a stunt. J. Johnson (talk) 21:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  rail distance size 

message: If I may reopen the article name discussion, I'd like to point out what their logo, viewable at :File:Chicago Milwaukee St. Paul and Pacific Herald.png, said.  It seems pretty clear that The Milwaukee Road was the common name and not a slang name and should be the name of the article. It isn't like the other examples given above that weren't/aren't formally used. Jason McHuff (talk) 23:11, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folks, what does the logo say? 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: I'm unconvinced by the claim cited to the Aberdeen American News that the Pacific Extension was actually profitable in the 1970s. Scribbins doesn't repeat it, and my sense is that if this was actually the case someone would have stepped in to operate it. The conventional wisdom, backed by most published sources, is that the Pacific Extension was a drain on the company and at the root of multiple bankruptcies. The ICC claim feels tantamount to a conspiracy theory and I think we either need a better source or we should remove it. Mackensen (talk) 18:57, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pacific Extension profitability 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I confess I wasn't familiar with Thomas Ploss before this edit: . Apparently he was a lawyer with the Milwaukee Road who was discharged and wrote a book in anger. The Nation Pays Again is self-published. There's no absolute rule against self-published sources (WP:SPS) but to use Ploss we need reviews attesting either to the book's credibility or his status as an expert. The canonical example within rail transport history is probably Thomas Taber's three volumes on the Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad. In the alternative, something like "Former Milwaukee Road lawyer Thomas H. Ploss wrote a book claiming...", but if no one else made that claim it might amount to undue weight. Mackensen (talk) 12:21, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ploss 

message: I read something about how the company was sabatoged to decouple its assets from the company. Does this hold any merit? ( SailingOn (talk) 18:17, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corporate Conspiracy 

message: I don't have anything particularly citable but apparently another name that is at least a d.b.a was "Chicago, Milwaukee and Puget Sound", which presumably deserves a mention. Here's a photo showing use of that name: :File:Office of the Chicago, Milwaukee and Puget Sound Ry, located at 2nd Ave and Cherry St, in the Butler Building, Seattle (CURTIS 1007).jpeg. - Jmabel | Talk 21:47, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "&hellip; and Puget Sound" 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  Jerm (talk) 03:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad →  – Clear WP:COMMONNAME by a factor of multiple hundreds, thousands even, during the peak of the railroad itself. See here just for ngram stats alone. We're talking about real major issues of failing the recognizability criteria for all except subject matter experts. The fact that "Milwaukee Road" already redirects here shows that we expect someone searching for the name to be looking for this railroad, and with it clearly being the far most dominant name in common use, there's really no justification for keeping it at a technical name that was and remains largely unused by reliable sources. oknazevad (talk) 00:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 7 April 2021