Talk:Materialization (paranormal)

message: Seriously. This article is essentially a list of alleged feats performed by spiritualist mediums. Although I'm hard pressed to find the words "paranormal materialization" in these sources, it appears that mediums have historically claimed to make stuff appear during seances using "spirit fluid" or "teleplastics" or whatever their name for ectoplasm is/was. That's fine, however "materialization", an area of specialty within mediumship, doesn't deserve it's own article. I recommend merging any well sourced useful material to Ectoplasm (paranormal) ‬or Mediumship. - LuckyLouie (talk) 12:27, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Strikes me as a fine idea.  Dbrodbeck (talk) 12:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a basic problem: the two are different. Ectoplasm is related directly to the spirits/ghosts etc., materialization on the other hand, is a general concept. Both skeptical and channeled sources confirm that. Additionally, ectoplasm (spirit) is the antonym of material. False prophetism aspect should also be taken into consideration, as materialisation is one of their miracles. What prompts luckylouie into thinking that a merge would be fine, may stem from the possibility that some of the material in this article might actually belong to the ectoplasm topic. Logos (talk) 19:07, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If I remember it well I started this article and ectoplasm is not a term that is associated with Indian miracle mongers. Andries (talk) 06:02, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The question of notability would rest on the level of discussion in reliable sources. Is this article a WP synthesis of a variety of apparently similar (OR) frauds by a variety of moderately notable charlatans? Is there a source which discusses this set of frauds together? If the sources don't identify these individual frauds as "paranormal materialization" why does WP create this identification? If a reliable source does not discuss the subject as a specific subject, where does the basis for an encyclopedia to do so originate? Aren't each of these frauds, myths and unsubstantiated phenomena covered at their main articles? What reliable source groups these all together and labels them "paranormal materialization"? - - MrBill3 (talk) 05:29, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Materialization is extensively treated in the book Miracles are my visiting cards by Erlendur Haraldsson. The book is about the miracles attributed to Sathya Sai Baba. The book does not openly endorse miracles and it was considered a reliable source in mediation regarding Sathya Sai Baba. Andries (talk) 05:58, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This would seem to be sourcing for content on the article on Sathya Sai Baba, but not something tying the group of examples currently in the article together, nor enough to base an article on. - - MrBill3 (talk) 06:06, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You will get your answers on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Materialization_(paranormal), but I'm sure you will never learn though. Logos (talk) 15:19, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Aw come on, that was uncalled for.  Please remove the 'but I'm sure you will never learn' and then feel free to remove this comment.  Thanks.  Dbrodbeck (talk) 15:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
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