Talk:Theodor Herzl

message: Add a hyperlink for the seperate article on Stephen Norman to his name. 61.1.53.217 (talk) 21:52, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: RudolfRed (talk) 00:45, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 December 2022 

message: Please remove this line:
 Herzl is specifically mentioned in the Israeli Declaration of Independence
and add this one:
 Herzl is named in the Israeli Declaration of Independence
It's shorter and clearer; you can make a clear reference to someone without naming him, but not vice versa.  ALSO Please fulfill the malformed request in the section above this one. 
 123.51.107.94 (talk) 01:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: the statement is sourced and easily attributed to other sources. You are welcome to seek consensus for your proposed change.
 M.Bitton (talk) 02:18, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 March 2023 

message: I think there's a small typo in the fourth paragraph of the "Family" section in the article. Currently, it reads "Hanz Herzl voluntarily had himself circumcised 29 May 1905". However, everywhere else in this section, the article spells the name of Theodor Herzl's son as "Hans" rather than "Hanz". Ariel Don (talk) 02:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, thanks. Zerotalk 08:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the supererogatory 'voluntarily' doing there? Hans was a deeply disturbed adolescent at the time (and for all of his life) as everyone knows, and Amos Elon for one states he  'underwent circumcision apparently at the urging of Herzl's disciples.' Nishidani (talk) 09:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo in "Family" Section 

message: Change "Pinkser" to "Pinsker" in the last paragraph of section "World Jewish Congress" of this article. I assume based on context that "Pinkser" refers to Leon Pinsker. Ariel Don (talk) 14:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: .  GoingBatty (talk) 14:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2023 

message: There is an archived discussion about whether he was an atheist or not.  I don’t know the answer.  But I do know it’s strange for this article to have three separate categories at the bottom saying he was an atheist, while the rest of this article doesn’t address the question at all. Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently he was 2601:40F:600:32E0:4C28:4161:785F:11F4 (talk) 01:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please provide reliable sources about it? Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:02, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  found on an LSE blog, not suitable for the article.   seems to be a thesis of some kind. I think "secular" is probably a better description, since it's not clear if he was agnostic, atheist, or simply not religious. Andre🚐 02:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

text: This is a difficult question without a clear answer. I've seen sources going both ways. In Herzl's diaries there are many statements invoking God in terms that a theist would use, but there are also things like this:When I say “God” I do not mean to offend the free-thinkers. As far as I am concerned, they can use “World Spirit” or some other term in place of this dear old wonderful abbreviation by means of which I get across to the simple intelligences. In our academic battle of words, we still mean one and the same thing. In fact, in belief as well as in doubt we mean the very same thing: that it is inexplicable! (June 12, 1895)I incidentally mentioned my views on the Deity. I want to bring up my children with a belief in what might be called the historical God. To me, “God” is a beautiful, dear old word which I want to retain. It is a wonderful abbreviation for conceptions that might be beyond the grasp of a childlike or limited intellect. By “God” I understand the Will to Goodl The omnipresent, infinite, omnipotent, eternal Will to Good, which does not immediately prevail everywhere but is always victorious in the end. For which Evil, too, is but a means. How and why, for example, does the Will to Good permit epidemics to exist? Because epidemics cause musty old cities to be torn down and new, bright, healthful cities to come into being, with inhabitants who draw a freer breath. Thus, anti-Semitism, too, probably contains the divine Will to Good, because it forces us to close ranks, unites us through pressure, and through our unity will make us free. My conception of God, is, after all, Spinozistic and also resembles the natural philosophy of the Monists. But I think of Spinoza’s “substance” as something inert, so to speak, and that incomprehensible universal ether of the Monists seems too intangible and too vague to me. But I can conceive of an omnipresent will, for I see it at work in the physical world. I see it as I can see the functioning of a muscle. The world is the body and God is the functioning of it. The ultimate purpose I do not and need not know; for me it is enough that it is something higher than our present condition. This I can again express with old words, and I gladly do so. Eritis sicut dei, scientes bonum et malum [Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil]. (August 18, 1895)These quotations from "The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl", ed. Patai, trans. Zohn, Volume 1, are of course unusable without secondary source support. Zerotalk 06:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atheism 

message: In this phrase:
 On 2 July 1946, Norman wrote
please remove 1946, since two sentences earlier there's a reference to "29 June 1946". 123.51.107.94 (talk) 22:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your contribution! NotAGenious (talk) 09:31, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 February 2024 

message: In this phrase:
 Mission in Washington, D.C., In late August
please remove the second comma, since there are two separate sentences here. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 22:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!  01:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 February 2024 (2) 

message: It's INSANE that nothing of this is mentioned on the most consulted edition of Wikipedia. This is thoroughly covered on the Hebrew edition. In Israel, Haredim have delighted themselves for decades with sending around VHS tapes detailing this (YouTube now allows automatic subtitling from Hebrew, fyi)
I don't have much time right now to write that stuff, and you people might do a better job at this than me anyway. I found his complete translated diaries here, and the original German can be found around here. Happy learning. Synotia (moan) 15:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The OCR'd diaries are here, even easier for Ctrl+F'ing. Synotia (moan) 15:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herzl's one-time dream to convert Jews to Christianity