Talk:Legal education

message: The article states: "Although many have criticized the heavy emphasis of the LSAT in law school admissions, scores on the test have been shown to be highly correlated to success in law school."  This isn't true.  Or rather, the exact opposite has been shown by LSAT correlation studies done by LSAC.  Scores on the test are weakly, not strongly, correlated with 1L grades only.  This correlation is, however, higher than any other known measure, including UGPA.  I'd like to amend the article to reflect this unless somebody has a source for this claim. Bjsiders 16:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to offer a second call for discussion of this change.  I've been through extensive and exhaustive debate on this in the LSAT article and I'd rather not repeat it.  One last call for any discussions, objections, or other questions about changing the description in the article of the relationship between LSAT scores and law school performance.  Again, I propose that that current phrasing is grossly inaccurate and represents exactly the opposite of what correlation studies on the matter have found, including those carried out by LSAC itself.  Cites are available in the LSAT article. Bjsiders 15:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy to see the changes proposed, given the citations alluded to.  Chart123 15:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there's been no further commentary, the cited change has been made.  Please offer up any complaints, problems, or other concerns anybody may have about the new verbiage. Bjsiders 13:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Highly Correlated" 

message: As I added a footnote to the undisputable fact of how many Supreme Court clerks have come from what school (just count'em, right?), and I noticed the original footnote from the WSJ used a different format. I've updated it to fit with the easier  style.  --Bobak 18:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes tweaked 

message: Most of the US section is almost the same as what is found in Law school in the United States. Since this is about legal education generally the US section shouldn't be as long as it is. I'm trying to remove the duplicated text and migrate as much of it to the "law school in US" article.--PullUpYourSocks 21:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: US content

message: This section of the "Juris Doctor" article does not really reference the degree, it instead talks about the educational process. I figured Legal Education would be a better place than the Law School article. That said, the section is poorly written (seems to be from experience, not from verifiable sources), and it may be better off being marked for deletion altogether. Thoughts? Dextrosity 03:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Merger

message: An editor keep trying to insert a statement about the best law schools in the Philippines.  It does not meet the wikipedia standards of verifiability, and is subjective.  Therefore, it should be excluded. Zoticogrillo (talk) 22:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best law schools in Philippines 

message: Legal Education (General) →  – I'm very sorry I have made an error when editing the notes on the legal education in Malaysia. I hope anyone who better access to revert the page back to Legal Education. Shahrulazwad (talk) 08:25, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: At Legal awareness article section Civics_and_socio-legal_literacy  my following sentence is challanged for [citation needed] and [original research?]  
*Applied legal education is imparted through business and commerce school and some other branches.
While I am sure my statement can not be incorrect, there seems to be difference in perception coming from people not aware of legal education in some part of the world. Secondly may be applied legal education is not high profile enough and less reffered or reffered differently.  
It may have been challanged because internet does not throw direct search results, or Applied legal education wording may have different connotation for some people, Applied legal education may not be available in United States. In europe probably it has a different term  some thing like vocational training (Not sure). Or Law schools are not using word applied legal education
What do I mean by applied legal education is short duration certificate cources where full law digree is not required and are are for limited purpose like:
* There is one Symbiosis Law School They have 15 Diploma cources and 9 Certification cources on various specific law subject like Diploma or certificate cource in 1) Arbitration ,2)  Banking law 3) Human Resource 4) labour laws 5) Human rights and legal literacy etc. 6) Criminology and penalogy 7) Cyber law etc.  1) by Symbiosis law School </br> 2) http://www.symlaw.ac.in/Certificate-programme/CGHRLL-2014-15.pdf </br> http://www.symlaw.ac.in/Diploma/DC&P-2014-15.pdf   Most of Indian law colleges would have  Certificate courses in  Taxation law, in labour law , etc. 
* [www.indiaeduinfo.com/distance education/law.htm here at this link] one will find a very big list of various applied law cources offered by distance education by various Indian education institutions for an example Indira Gandhi National Open University (IGNOU) Indias National level premier distance education institution   offers  1) www.indiaeduinfo.com/distance education/law.htm </br> 2) http://www.indiaeduinfo.co.in/distance-education/distance-education-taxation-law.htm </br> 3) http://targetstudy.com/colleges/post-graduate-diploma-in-taxation-law-diploma-colleges-in-india.html 
**Awareness Course in Intellectual Propert Rights
**Certificate in (1) Consumer Protection, (2) Co-operation, Co-operative and Business, (3) Human Rights and (4) International Humanitarian
**PG Certificate in Cyber
**PG Diploma in (1) Environmental and (2) Intellectual Property Rights 
During my internet search I could locate atleast one Australian/Newzeland college  called "The College of Law" that explicitly offeres Postgraduate Applied Law Programs and they offer LLM (Applied Law) in areas like **Commercial Litigation
**Commercial Transactions
**Family Law
**In-house Practice
**Property Law
**Wills & Estates
** and Graduate Diploma of Family Dispute Resolution Practice (FDRP)  http://www.collaw.edu.au/alp/ 
Harward and Columbia 's Business and Law schools seems to offer some specialised cources that cover Business law please see  http://web.law.columbia.edu/jd-mba/career-services and http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academic-experience/joint-degree-programs/Pages/harvard-law-school.aspx links . I do not have a proper understanding of US legal education structure. 
Besides I am not aware if such short duration applied law cources are available in Canada, South Americas, Africa, Europe and rest of Asia (other than India) If those are offered what do they call such cources in their countries.  
Although most Law schools may not have been using exact word applied leagal education, but is it not applied legal education ?  or may be wikipedia experts can suggest be a better name. 
My main purpose to bring this discussion is not convassing but I thought if more info comes in, this article is more apropriate to have a separate section  about applied law. Ofcource wikipedia experts may agree upon a different name than that of "Applied legal education"   
The users who tagged original research to my sentence I request them to revisit the tag if it can be removed with this explanation. And also do suggest which citations are ok enough to cite. 
Thanks and Warm Regards
Mahitgar (talk) 07:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Applied legal education 

message: Present Introductory paragraph
<quote>
Legal education is the education of individuals who intend to become legal professionals or those who simply intend to use their law degree to some end, either related to law (such as politics or academic) or business. It includes:
* First degrees in law, which may be studied at either undergraduate or graduate level depending on the country.
* Vocational courses which prospective lawyers are required to pass in some countries before they may enter practice.
* Apllied legal education for specific branches of law such as, Business law, Human resource and Labour laws, Property laws, Family laws, Human rights & Legal awareness, Taxation law and many more.  
* Higher academic degrees and doctorate.
</quote>
Suggest Change :
Legal education is the education of individuals who intend to become legal professionals or those who simply intend to use their law degree to some end, either related to law (such as politics or academic) or business. 
Degrees in law, which may be studied at either undergraduate or graduate level depending on the country. Vocational courses which prospective lawyers are required to pass in some countries before they may enter practice.  Apllied legal education for specific branches of law such as, Business law, Human resource and Labour laws, Property laws, Family laws, Human rights & Legal awareness, Taxation law and many more. Higher academic degrees and doctorate.
Mahitgar (talk) 08:17, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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message: A topic not covered in this article, nor, as far as I can tell, elsewhere, is lower level education about the law, e.g. at the secondary level or in adult education classes. For example, British Columbia has a "Law 12" course for secondary school students, and some community colleges have courses aimed at adults not planning to practice law on topics such as "business law". Perhaps some coverage of this area should be added.Bill (talk) 19:45, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There would be no end to what could be said about lower level legal education. Some knowledge of the law has always been expected of a good citizen, both so that we may stay on the right side of it and also because in a democracy we have to choose the lawmakers. Beyond that, most professionals need to understand those aspects of the law that relate to their own work, and to keep up-to-date as well as part of continuing professional development (CPD): accountants, business owners and managers, priests, doctors, regulators of all kinds and especially the police. To put all this together for one country would be exhausting and for the whole world it would be pointless. NRPanikker (talk) 21:45, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Lower level legal education