Talk:Republic of Ireland/Archive 4

message: :In 1972 the "special position" of the Catholic Church in Ireland was deleted from the Irish constitution.
Is there any more information about this anywhere? Thanks, Gerard Foley 00:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all at Fifth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland. wikified. Joestynes 08:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  special position 

message: Hello!  As a result of prior and ongoing discussions, this poll is to identify a course of action regarding the island, nation-state, and disambiguation articles/titles for Ireland in Wp. 
At least five options are below.  Wikipedians can only choose one option and should indicate their preference by signing in the appropriate section with four tildes (~~~~) followed by an optional, one-sentence reasoning.  Please only assert positive votes, do not indicate negative ones.
Voting will continue to 28 February 2006 23:59 UTC, but may be extended beyond that if any option does not garner a clear plurality of support.
Thanks for your co-operation!  E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 08:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Support this way causes least confusion - people who turn up at the disambiguation page can chose the option the want, hopefully most links will be to the correct 'Ireland' Robdurbar 09:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Let's keep the official name of the country. --Terence Ong 10:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Support. "Republic of Ireland" is a very commonly used official disambiguator and works far better than "Ireland (republic)" (What about the Irish Republic?) or any other artificial forms. Timrollpickering 12:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Option # proposed disambiguation — proposed title for nation-state article, proposed title for island article
===Comments===
* Ireland (country) / Republic of Ireland / Eire : How would Irish people prefer their country to be identified? David Kernow 10:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: ... hence my choice above, with provisos.  Any other options promote confusion in one way or another.  E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So, please clarify for me, does ROI - as a name - have a legal status? Quite simply put, is it accurate to describe this state as the ROI? Cos I always thought this but have heard otherwise during this argument? Robdurbar 19:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes: it is an official rendition and, arguably, legal (based on entitlement of the Republic of Ireland Act).  However, this doesn't obviate usage of the simpler Ireland, which is the official name indicated in the act. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 20:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Your statement about "Ireland" is simply not true.  People in the Republic often say Ireland when they mean the Republic, or simply forget about the existence of the North.  The letters page of The Irish Times often has letters of the form "your article said the Dublin X is the only/biggest X in Ireland; in fact there is another/bigger X in Belfast". Joestynes 15:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term 'Ireland when used to describe 'the republic' is seen by northerners as a deeply offensive and sectarian term, as it is felt to be a direct assault on their legitimacy to call themselves Irish. To be honest I even find the disambiguation at the top of the Ireland page quite offensive 86.12.245.194 18:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Context is what we are really talking about here and what exists in context is fine as it is. When northerners ask me (on visiting Northern Ireland) if I came up from the Free State today, I too am rather offended. Are they still unable to move on and accept the status quo rather than take an arrogant partisan or arrogant stance? Let's not be like that and accept that people from the Republic of Ireland will most often use the term Ireland to mean both the Republic and the whole island depending on the context. There is no discrimination meant by this use of the one term. However, many northerners will use the term Southern Ireland, a legislative term that existed for about 10 minutes (!), which is an equally deeply offensive and sectarian term. They too use the term Ireland to describe their territory and, I think, have yet to find a non-disparaging term for the republic, without its terroristic IRA connotations. Let's just leave it alone and hope those who are offended or confused will figure it out and move on in their own sweet time, hopefully soon. Life is too short for grudges of this kind. ww2censor 23:27, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find that most people here (NI) use "the Republic" or "down south", and yes, "southern Ireland" which I would have thought is about as offensive as "the North" is to most people here. I have never heard anyone use "Ireland" to describe Northern Ireland. The term Ireland generally is used to describe the island, although this can be confusing given that Ireland is the official name of the bottom 5/6 of the island. The way it is now both articles use official, recognisable terms which are easy to understand. - TheKeith  23:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  "I think, have yet to find a non-disparaging term for the republic, without its terroristic IRA connotations" . what about the Republic? On the Issue of using the trem Southern Ireland, while a legitimate geographic term, I would also oppose any move of the republic of Ireland page there. I think  saying "There is no discrimination meant by this use of the one term" is probably true, but I would be very much see this akin to using the term negro as it was "meant" to be non-offensive back in the 1900s, just because you mean to be non-offencive, does not mean that you aren't offensive. 86.12.245.194 08:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Best not, but since you started. It's basically same as the Republic of Ireland using Ireland, when it's not really the whole area, just most of it. But I personally don't use Ulster for anything other than the Rugby and my Uni. - TheKeith  00:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree: this is modelled on Talk:Georgia, where multiple votes of support did not and need not occur.  Through multiple options, only a clear plurality is sufficient.  In fact, Wikipedians who comment multiple times (viz., through wilfully opposing other options) and despite instructions above preclude possible consensus, not the reverse.  And, frankly, such comments should have been made upon initiating the poll. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 10:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh come on give it a break. First of this is Not Encyclopædia Britannica, it never has been and it will not be, have you ever taken it under consideration that we might do things different then EB does it. Second it is not in in defiance of any official documents. While the constutition does state that the official name of the county is Ireland the Republic of Ireland Act states"DECLARE THAT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATE SHALL BE THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND", and the act, nore does subquence legleslation that i know of, make conditions on the use of the term Repbulic of Ireland in refence of the state that controls 26 out of 32 counties on the isle of Ireland. The use of term here to describe the state, in which is being used, is well within the correct usage of the phrase, and is no diffrernt then it's simalar useage elsewhere, ie FIFA and UEFA. I also dont see the uasge of Republic of Ireland being any different then the usage of United Kingdom over United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or France say over the French Republic, the only differenc being that by the constution the so called "short form" of the offical name is the official name of the state and not visa versa. Also to say that this is misleading is pure farce, the article opens up by saying what the decrepreancy in the name is and ststing that the term Republic of Ireland is correct in use of describing the state. As for demoracy, what if anything does that have to do with well anything, guess what Wikipedia is not a democracy, and if you dont like the term "Republic of Ireland", that term was democraticaly made the discription of the state, by the demcorticaly elected dail, which is the parliment of the decomatratic state of Ireland also described as the Repbulic of Ireland, them mabye i would recomened that you contact your TD or the Taoiseach and have them set about to recind or change the act. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 07:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Well this is a little off-topic, and I'm not saying I'm not at least partly to blame for "starting it", but, sorry to disappoint you Demiurge but I'm not one of the Wikipedia users you and Jtdirl, etc., have harrassed in the past. Just someone who prefers a little bit of pseudo-anonymity so that it's easier to speak my mind without making a Wikipedia user name the target of attacks. 70.28.154.124 16:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll: Ireland article titles

message: * move Republic of Ireland to Ireland (country), move the current Ireland to Ireland (island), retrofit Ireland (disambiguation)
:Support this way causes least confusion - people who turn up at the disambiguation page can chose the option the want, hopefully most links will be to the correct 'Ireland' Robdurbar 09:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 1: [[Ireland]] — [[Ireland (country)]], [[Ireland (island)]]

message: * move Republic of Ireland to Ireland (republic), move the current Ireland to Ireland (island), retrofit Ireland (disambiguation)
#strongly oppose Why move from working forms using generally used names to makey-up names? Pointless. Unnecessary. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 18:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 2: [[Ireland]] — [[Ireland (republic)]], [[Ireland (island)]]

message: *move Republic of Ireland to Ireland (state), move the current Ireland to Ireland (island), retrofit Ireland (disambiguation)
#oppose Why move from working forms using generally used names to makey-up names? Pointless. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 18:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 3: [[Ireland]] — [[Ireland (state)]], [[Ireland (island)]]

message: * retain Republic of Ireland, move the current Ireland to Ireland (island), retrofit Ireland (disambiguation)
:Let's keep the official name of the country. --Terence Ong 10:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. "Republic of Ireland" is a very commonly used official disambiguator and works far better than "Ireland (republic)" (What about the Irish Republic?) or any other artificial forms. Timrollpickering 12:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 4: [[Ireland]] — [[Republic of Ireland]], [[Ireland (island)]]

message: * retain Republic of Ireland, move the current Ireland to Eire, retrofit Ireland (disambiguation), retrofit Eire (disambiguation)
# Support Waggers 11:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 5: [[Ireland]] — [[Republic of Ireland]], [[Eire]]

message: * The state would live at Ireland (as in most cases, save for Georgia), and the other two are self-explanatory.
I see a lot of support for the status quo, but for what it's worth, here is my lonely addition to the proceedings. Robertbyrne 05:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 6: [[Ireland (disambiguation)]] — [[Ireland]], [[Ireland (island)]]

message: * everything stays where it is: the nation-state at Republic of Ireland, the island at Ireland, and a (rarely used) disambiguation page at Ireland (disambiguation)
# Support. "Republic of Ireland" has legal status, and is used by various international bodies and in diplomatic correspondence. The disambig header at the top of Ireland is sufficient to point people to the correct article, in my opinion. Demiurge 11:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 7: status quo

message: * Ireland (country) / Republic of Ireland / Eire : How would Irish people prefer their country to be identified? David Kernow 10:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ... hence my choice above, with provisos.  Any other options promote confusion in one way or another.  E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So, please clarify for me, does ROI - as a name - have a legal status? Quite simply put, is it accurate to describe this state as the ROI? Cos I always thought this but have heard otherwise during this argument? Robdurbar 19:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes: it is an official rendition and, arguably, legal (based on entitlement of the Republic of Ireland Act).  However, this doesn't obviate usage of the simpler Ireland, which is the official name indicated in the act. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 20:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Your statement about "Ireland" is simply not true.  People in the Republic often say Ireland when they mean the Republic, or simply forget about the existence of the North.  The letters page of The Irish Times often has letters of the form "your article said the Dublin X is the only/biggest X in Ireland; in fact there is another/bigger X in Belfast". Joestynes 15:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term 'Ireland when used to describe 'the republic' is seen by northerners as a deeply offensive and sectarian term, as it is felt to be a direct assault on their legitimacy to call themselves Irish. To be honest I even find the disambiguation at the top of the Ireland page quite offensive 86.12.245.194 18:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Context is what we are really talking about here and what exists in context is fine as it is. When northerners ask me (on visiting Northern Ireland) if I came up from the Free State today, I too am rather offended. Are they still unable to move on and accept the status quo rather than take an arrogant partisan or arrogant stance? Let's not be like that and accept that people from the Republic of Ireland will most often use the term Ireland to mean both the Republic and the whole island depending on the context. There is no discrimination meant by this use of the one term. However, many northerners will use the term Southern Ireland, a legislative term that existed for about 10 minutes (!), which is an equally deeply offensive and sectarian term. They too use the term Ireland to describe their territory and, I think, have yet to find a non-disparaging term for the republic, without its terroristic IRA connotations. Let's just leave it alone and hope those who are offended or confused will figure it out and move on in their own sweet time, hopefully soon. Life is too short for grudges of this kind. ww2censor 23:27, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find that most people here (NI) use "the Republic" or "down south", and yes, "southern Ireland" which I would have thought is about as offensive as "the North" is to most people here. I have never heard anyone use "Ireland" to describe Northern Ireland. The term Ireland generally is used to describe the island, although this can be confusing given that Ireland is the official name of the bottom 5/6 of the island. The way it is now both articles use official, recognisable terms which are easy to understand. - TheKeith  23:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  "I think, have yet to find a non-disparaging term for the republic, without its terroristic IRA connotations" . what about the Republic? On the Issue of using the trem Southern Ireland, while a legitimate geographic term, I would also oppose any move of the republic of Ireland page there. I think  saying "There is no discrimination meant by this use of the one term" is probably true, but I would be very much see this akin to using the term negro as it was "meant" to be non-offensive back in the 1900s, just because you mean to be non-offencive, does not mean that you aren't offensive. 86.12.245.194 08:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Best not, but since you started. It's basically same as the Republic of Ireland using Ireland, when it's not really the whole area, just most of it. But I personally don't use Ulster for anything other than the Rugby and my Uni. - TheKeith  00:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree: this is modelled on Talk:Georgia, where multiple votes of support did not and need not occur.  Through multiple options, only a clear plurality is sufficient.  In fact, Wikipedians who comment multiple times (viz., through wilfully opposing other options) and despite instructions above preclude possible consensus, not the reverse.  And, frankly, such comments should have been made upon initiating the poll. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 10:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh come on give it a break. First of this is Not Encyclopædia Britannica, it never has been and it will not be, have you ever taken it under consideration that we might do things different then EB does it. Second it is not in in defiance of any official documents. While the constutition does state that the official name of the county is Ireland the Republic of Ireland Act states"DECLARE THAT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATE SHALL BE THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND", and the act, nore does subquence legleslation that i know of, make conditions on the use of the term Repbulic of Ireland in refence of the state that controls 26 out of 32 counties on the isle of Ireland. The use of term here to describe the state, in which is being used, is well within the correct usage of the phrase, and is no diffrernt then it's simalar useage elsewhere, ie FIFA and UEFA. I also dont see the uasge of Republic of Ireland being any different then the usage of United Kingdom over United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or France say over the French Republic, the only differenc being that by the constution the so called "short form" of the offical name is the official name of the state and not visa versa. Also to say that this is misleading is pure farce, the article opens up by saying what the decrepreancy in the name is and ststing that the term Republic of Ireland is correct in use of describing the state. As for demoracy, what if anything does that have to do with well anything, guess what Wikipedia is not a democracy, and if you dont like the term "Republic of Ireland", that term was democraticaly made the discription of the state, by the demcorticaly elected dail, which is the parliment of the decomatratic state of Ireland also described as the Repbulic of Ireland, them mabye i would recomened that you contact your TD or the Taoiseach and have them set about to recind or change the act. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 07:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Well this is a little off-topic, and I'm not saying I'm not at least partly to blame for "starting it", but, sorry to disappoint you Demiurge but I'm not one of the Wikipedia users you and Jtdirl, etc., have harrassed in the past. Just someone who prefers a little bit of pseudo-anonymity so that it's easier to speak my mind without making a Wikipedia user name the target of attacks. 70.28.154.124 16:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: I've taken some moments to enhance Ireland (disambiguation) and added or edited appropriate dab hatnotes atop relevant articles; I'd envision this sort of dab page to exist no matter what it is entitled. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 01:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ireland (disambiguation)]] 

message: To people from Ireland, when you say "Ireland" we think (whether we're from the South or the North) the island of Ireland. The Republic of Ireland (Or the Republic/The South) and Northern Ireland (or the North) are what is commonly used by people, whether they are from the island or not, to distinguish between both jurisdictions of Ireland. Believe it or not, people from Ireland are extremely close, and, people automatically think of the island when they say Ireland, and neither jurisdiction in particular. 
I don't find any reason for change, further change would simply serve to confuse a casual reader.
BBX 13:59, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your statement about "Ireland" is simply not true.  People in the Republic often say Ireland when they mean the Republic, or simply forget about the existence of the North.  The letters page of The Irish Times often has letters of the form "your article said the Dublin X is the only/biggest X in Ireland; in fact there is another/bigger X in Belfast". Joestynes 15:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term 'Ireland when used to describe 'the republic' is seen by northerners as a deeply offensive and sectarian term, as it is felt to be a direct assault on their legitimacy to call themselves Irish. To be honest I even find the disambiguation at the top of the Ireland page quite offensive 86.12.245.194 18:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Context is what we are really talking about here and what exists in context is fine as it is. When northerners ask me (on visiting Northern Ireland) if I came up from the Free State today, I too am rather offended. Are they still unable to move on and accept the status quo rather than take an arrogant partisan or arrogant stance? Let's not be like that and accept that people from the Republic of Ireland will most often use the term Ireland to mean both the Republic and the whole island depending on the context. There is no discrimination meant by this use of the one term. However, many northerners will use the term Southern Ireland, a legislative term that existed for about 10 minutes (!), which is an equally deeply offensive and sectarian term. They too use the term Ireland to describe their territory and, I think, have yet to find a non-disparaging term for the republic, without its terroristic IRA connotations. Let's just leave it alone and hope those who are offended or confused will figure it out and move on in their own sweet time, hopefully soon. Life is too short for grudges of this kind. ww2censor 23:27, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find that most people here (NI) use "the Republic" or "down south", and yes, "southern Ireland" which I would have thought is about as offensive as "the North" is to most people here. I have never heard anyone use "Ireland" to describe Northern Ireland. The term Ireland generally is used to describe the island, although this can be confusing given that Ireland is the official name of the bottom 5/6 of the island. The way it is now both articles use official, recognisable terms which are easy to understand. - TheKeith  23:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  "I think, have yet to find a non-disparaging term for the republic, without its terroristic IRA connotations" . what about the Republic? On the Issue of using the trem Southern Ireland, while a legitimate geographic term, I would also oppose any move of the republic of Ireland page there. I think  saying "There is no discrimination meant by this use of the one term" is probably true, but I would be very much see this akin to using the term negro as it was "meant" to be non-offensive back in the 1900s, just because you mean to be non-offencive, does not mean that you aren't offensive. 86.12.245.194 08:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Best not, but since you started. It's basically same as the Republic of Ireland using Ireland, when it's not really the whole area, just most of it. But I personally don't use Ulster for anything other than the Rugby and my Uni. - TheKeith  00:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree: this is modelled on Talk:Georgia, where multiple votes of support did not and need not occur.  Through multiple options, only a clear plurality is sufficient.  In fact, Wikipedians who comment multiple times (viz., through wilfully opposing other options) and despite instructions above preclude possible consensus, not the reverse.  And, frankly, such comments should have been made upon initiating the poll. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 10:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh come on give it a break. First of this is Not Encyclopædia Britannica, it never has been and it will not be, have you ever taken it under consideration that we might do things different then EB does it. Second it is not in in defiance of any official documents. While the constutition does state that the official name of the county is Ireland the Republic of Ireland Act states"DECLARE THAT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATE SHALL BE THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND", and the act, nore does subquence legleslation that i know of, make conditions on the use of the term Repbulic of Ireland in refence of the state that controls 26 out of 32 counties on the isle of Ireland. The use of term here to describe the state, in which is being used, is well within the correct usage of the phrase, and is no diffrernt then it's simalar useage elsewhere, ie FIFA and UEFA. I also dont see the uasge of Republic of Ireland being any different then the usage of United Kingdom over United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or France say over the French Republic, the only differenc being that by the constution the so called "short form" of the offical name is the official name of the state and not visa versa. Also to say that this is misleading is pure farce, the article opens up by saying what the decrepreancy in the name is and ststing that the term Republic of Ireland is correct in use of describing the state. As for demoracy, what if anything does that have to do with well anything, guess what Wikipedia is not a democracy, and if you dont like the term "Republic of Ireland", that term was democraticaly made the discription of the state, by the demcorticaly elected dail, which is the parliment of the decomatratic state of Ireland also described as the Repbulic of Ireland, them mabye i would recomened that you contact your TD or the Taoiseach and have them set about to recind or change the act. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 07:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Well this is a little off-topic, and I'm not saying I'm not at least partly to blame for "starting it", but, sorry to disappoint you Demiurge but I'm not one of the Wikipedia users you and Jtdirl, etc., have harrassed in the past. Just someone who prefers a little bit of pseudo-anonymity so that it's easier to speak my mind without making a Wikipedia user name the target of attacks. 70.28.154.124 16:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No change 

message: Yes.  Thanks to everyone for your participation in this poll, which has garnered significant input and discussion.  As of the end of day 28 February 2006, 36 Wikipedians have indicated the following (in vote share order):
* Option 7: status quo — 24 votes (66%)
* Option 4: Ireland – Republic of Ireland, Ireland (island) — 5 votes (13%)
* Option 3: Ireland – Ireland (state), Ireland (island) — 2 votes (6%)
* Option 1: Ireland – Ireland (country), Ireland (island) — 2 votes (6%) 
* Option 5: Ireland – Republic of Ireland, Eire — 2 votes (6%)
* Option 6: Ireland (disambiguation) – Ireland, Ireland (island) — 1 vote (3%)
* Option 2: Ireland – Ireland (republic), Ireland (island) — no votes
Since the end of February, the margins have not changed appreciably.
The above includes affirmative assertions only.  As numerous opposing 'votes' were made despite instructions upfront to the contrary – and in an arguably blusterous fashion inconsistent with salient discussion – they are disavowed and not included.  Said comments largely deal with opposition to changing the status quo and (incorrect) usage of Éire to refer to just one entity and not both.
So, based on everything above, there is consensus support for the status quo.  Given the inconsistency of this topic matter with other similar disambiguations in Wp, however, I'm certain that this issue and concomitant ones will recur at some point.  In any event, again, thanks to all of you for your input, patience, and continued co-operation! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 21:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll: summary

message: I am not a grammarian (I don't even know if that's the word for it) but is it not, strictly speaking, incorrect, to refer to a state/country in the 3rd person singular feminine (i.e. she, her) as this article seems to make notable use of it. I don't know, I could be wrong, but I was always under the impression that strictly speaking, its' incorrect (and sexist, depending on how you look at it) - RHeodt 17:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrasing 

message: I just wanted to point out that "Éire" is not "Ireland" in Irish, as it says in the first paragraph (or one of the first) that: "the official name of the State is Ireland (Irish: Éire).
Now according to the constitution, the official name of the state is "Éire" and as far as is know, that derives from the name "Eiru" which is the name of a mythological divine heroine, occurs in the earliest literature in Old Irish. Ireland in Irish is "Éireann", as in "Poblacht na hÉireann" for Republic of Ireland and "Tuaisceart Éireann" for Northern Ireland. Ireland is the official name of the state for English speaking matter, or Republic of Ireland, the official description.
I believe it might be a good idea to reword the main paragraph to something like below:
The state's official name is Éire (For official English language matters, Ireland is used ).
Or it can be left the way it is, I'm not bother either way LoL. Just thought it should be pointed out at least.
: That is correct. I have reworded it to make it less misleading. 70.28.154.124 15:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh! Apologies for making the earlier edit. 70.28.154.124 03:00, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slightly inncorrect pertaining to State name 

message: Can we use the formatting similar to move requests that indicates the poll is over. Would stop the drip, drip votes? Djegan 19:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mind you the size of the page is 78 kb so an archive maybe better...Djegan 19:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just do both, and movr the poll and related recent dicussions present on this page to a archive that states that this debate has taken place. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 04:49, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as the poll remains on the active talk page, I don't think there's anything wrong with it continuing to garner drip votes.  Those will either validate the results of the poll (the status quo) or reveal a change of opinion and that the issue isn't truly dead.  And although it is formally concluded, the poll will effectively 'end' once the page is archived (like any other).  E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 09:40, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: completion of poll

message: I'm sick and tired of seeing Irish banished to italics on Wiki. "Éire" is the first official name of the ROI.
:If you dont like it then go over and work on Vicipéid. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 05:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about the snappiness, was tired, suppose that's what ii get for keeping odd hours, and algeries, but anyway to go with what was as stated below, this isn't the English language version not the Irish language, and since the Ireland is basically a dual language country, blah blah blah English takes precedent over Irish with few exceptions, very few, this is not one. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 03:59, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

text: "Ireland" is the only official name of the state in English, even the Constitution of Ireland cannot change the fact that "Éire" is an Irish word. Djegan 18:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish always in Italics 

message: I consolidated and improved what material there was on Religion in the ROI, but I'd think there's a lot of material.  The section could probably be expanded to spawn a detail article at Religion in the Republic of Ireland.  There's also a lot to be said for a "History of religion in Ireland" article.  The History of Ireland would be a good starting place to collect leads for that article, and in general we have :Category:Religion in Ireland. -- Beland 20:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: I notice that there is no mention of the current Irish Army. Is this within another article or does it just not exist? If the former then perhaps it should be merged into this. GiollaUidir 00:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and added a section as no-one seems to have any opinion on it. GiollaUidir 12:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Military

message: In the infobox at the side should the year of declared indepndence not be 1916?GiollaUidir 20:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a) the Irish Republic, a different entity (and one to which the RoI does not accept as a name); b) not internationally recognised; or c) even de facto independence. Timrollpickering 21:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Taoiseach Bertie Ahern himself told the Dáil some years ago that the date of Irish independence was 6 December 1922, not 1916 nor 1919. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we not go on fact rather than what Bertie the West-Brit says?GiollaUidir 21:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We go by what the national consensus is, a consensus the elected leader of Ireland agrees with. Your comments just show your own POV agenda. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I'm pro-1916, but adjudicating on the historical source of legitimacy of the state is not part of the remit of the office of Taoiseach, and the pronouncements of "one of Ireland's few remaining socialists" on any issue are hardly authoritative.  I've added wikilinks for declared and recognised in the infobox. jnestorius(talk) 08:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Fair enough then.GiollaUidir 21:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Year of Independence

message: Just a question of which I couldn't find the answer anywhere...
I am living in Ireland for two years now (one year in Dublin, then moved to Northern Ireland). I was wondering if I could apply to gain the Irish nationality? I am a EU citizen, so I was wondering that there may be a faster naturalisation procedure for EU citizens?
If someone has info, please reply here, or feel free to mail: gerrit.df @gmail.com (remove the empty space in front of the @)
:::To answer your question: ClemMcGann 13:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your need to be living in Ireland for 4 years to become a citizen. If you're still living in Northern Ireland, you would be better off applying for British citizenship.
People living in Northern Ireland are entitled to Irish citizenship on the same basis as people in the 26 counties.Deepsoulstarfish 00:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaining Irish nationality 

message: Reference to the Easter Rising of 1916 is missing in the History section ! --Josce 16:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section : Easter Rising not referred to 

message: Why is map of "United Ireland" posted in this section? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Counties Is that not a little POV? PANONIAN (talk) 12:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: How can we make this a Good article?? --TheM62Manchester 11:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured

message: User:Kwekubo said "native names of languages are not used in this infobox" .  I have found no authority for that statement.  In fact native names and languages occur frequently in the country infobox. Look especially at countries which use a non-roman alphabet. Bejnar 21:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Erse

message: This article begins:
:The Republic of Ireland (Irish: Poblacht na hÉireann) is the official description of the sovereign state which covers approximately five-sixths of the island of Ireland, off the coast of north-west Europe. The state's official name is Ireland (Irish: Éire), and this is how international organisations and citizens of Ireland usually refer to the country. 
Some distinction is apparently being made between between "official description" and "official name", but the nature of this distinction is not made clear, leaving the reader (or this reader at least) confused. Matt 19:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing definitions 

message: There are most certainly not 100,000 Americans in Ireland. I specifically recall the number in the 2002 Census was roughly 10,000. I am 100% certain on this issue. Next year's final Census results will clarify if this has grown since but the most recent figures are 10,000. In that context I have replaced 100,000 with 10,000. (Ronan 00:34 AM 30/10/2006)
*You're right, the CSO gives a figure of 11,384 for census night 2002. The incorrect 100k figure was added to the article here; I've added a note to the editor's talk page asking them where they got it. Demiurge 00:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: The article is littered with the term country, my understanding was that RoI was one of two states  within a country. Does anyone have anything to verify this one way or the other? 86.12.249.63 16:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously you are not aware of the broad nature of the term, country. Your supposition that the Republic of Ireland is not a country is outlandlish. Perhaps you should start here; list of countries? Djegan 17:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying that the 26-county RoI is a country is just as POV as saying it isn't. All we can say with certainty is that the RoI state/statelet/pseudo-state has effective control over 26 exactly counties. Countries needn't coincide with current effective state boundaries - 'countries' probably continue to exist during civil wars or during occupation by outsiders. Aaron McDaid (talk - contribs)  17:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: POV? Hardly. Practically every other country in the world recognises Ireland (26-c.) as a country. I don't see how calling it a country is POV. - Рэдхот(t • c • e) 13:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Aaron is correct, both statements are POV. However, he is incorrect in implying that the two claims therefore deserve equal weight. The POV that the Republic of Ireland is a legitimate state is shared by the international community, the United Nations, the European Union, the overwhelming majority of the electorates in both the Republic and Northern Ireland — in general, just about everyone with an opinion on the matter. Contrast that with the POV that the Republic of Ireland is not a legitimate state, which is held only by a vanishingly small minority with no elected representation whatsoever. The latter POV deserves about as much prominence as the Flat Earth theories do on the Earth article. Demiurge 13:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Demiurge, SF believe the RoI is not the legitimate government of any part of Ireland (see the end of), so it's not a vanishingly small belief. I'm not really calling for every mention of 'Ireland' to be encumbered with huge amounts of NPOV cruft, as that would be unwieldy. I suppose the real question is how soon in the article to mention the debate/conflict/controversy. I myself would like to see it mentioned in the introduction that the state (is/was) (intended/hoped) to cover the entire island and that many still hope it will. Others may wish to delay it until the History section. In Ireland (and Britain too believe it or not ), more people want a United Ireland than for NI to remain in the UK. Although hoping for a UI doesn't change the facts as they are now (whatever they are!).  Aaron McDaid (talk - contribs)  14:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which SF are you talking about? Provisional SF gave up this belief a long time ago, when they abandoned abstentionism. See Gerry Adams' speech to the Sinn Féin Ard Fheis in 2005: "Does Sinn Féin accept the institutions of this state as the legitimate institutions of this state? Of course we do." Demiurge 14:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was talking about PSF. I think I'll sit back now. Thanks, Aaron McDaid (talk - contribs)  15:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Country?

message: Hey, does anyone think that box at the bottom of the page just inaccurate. I think it should be removed because a I don't know if the accuracy can be improved, any objections? Fabhcún 17:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neighboring countries 

message: Can we get the poll above "closed" and archived - it closed months ago but people are still voting on it. Bastun 00:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, its just misleading to leave it open as if things might change with a few trickle votes. Djegan 00:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Close" the poll? 

message: Does anyone else think that in the introduction where it says: The remaining sixth of the island of Ireland is known as Northern Ireland and is politically an administrative part of the United Kingdom. That instead it should say: The remaining sixth of the island of Ireland is Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom. Somethingoranother 20:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not try a totally new rewording such as something alongs the list of "It shares a land border with Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom." This article is about the state not the island and so the part that reads "The remaining sixth of the island of ..." does not make much sense. --sony-youthtalk 20:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction, Weaselling Words Cleanup