Talk:Malbork Castle

message: The following comment was copied from Malbork as that article focuses on the city, to be merged here. --Matthead 02:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the castle

message: Looks liek the entire text fo the History section is copied verbatim from the castle website http://www.zamek.malbork.pl/en/historia/indexh.php (and follow links to expand each section).  There's no indication that this text is any other than copyright, so I'm going to remove it from the article until someone can precis/paraphrase it.  David Underdown 12:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big problem 

message: I don't see any source for this statement, although tour guides repeat it continously. UNESCO doesn't say that, and I don't understand why if it's true. Castello Sforzesco is listed in List of Brick Renaissance buildings and used to have 1000-3000 warriors in 16th century and 4000 under Napoleon (while the article say 3000  at Malbork) and covered an area of almost 27 hectares (compared to 21 for Malnork, according to the article). --Nemo 12:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting comment especially considering that the Castello Sforzesco article is almost completely (99%) without citations.  Dr. Loosmark  12:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please, this is not a competition (and anyway that numbers are sourced). Thanks to a comment in Talk:Malbork  I discovered that Malbork used to call it "the largest heap of bricks north of the Alps". The website you cited is an amateur site and doesn't explain that statement, so I don't think it's enough. --Nemo 12:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  If this is not a competition then whatever for did you bring up the Castello Sforzesco, the article of which lacks sources almost completely? Anyway another source: Frommer's Eastern Europe, see here:   Dr. Loosmark  12:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is just another tourist guide, and doesn't explain anything... I mentioned Castello Sforzesco because I verified that specific statement and I don't like to challenge unsourced statements just for the sake of it. Anyway, this statement was added to the lead section in June 2006 and below in March 2007 (by an IP). --Nemo 13:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add that Castello Sforzesco is a square 180×180 m (200 m if you consider towers), while Malbork castle main buildings are about 100×200 m (rough estimate looking at Google maps), so looks like this statement can't relate to still existent buildings only, neither. Maybe Castello Sforzesco isn't considered a gothic castle by by someone? Or is some other criterion used (volume, floor space?)? --Nemo 22:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  First of all estimating the area by looking at Google maps is original research and it is against WP:NOR. Secondly I don't understand what exactly are you complaining about, seems that you are a fanboy of this Castello Sforzesco, unfortunately Malbork Castle is bigger, watching Google maps that much is clear. Sforzesco doesn't look more than 70 x 180m on google map to me, unless you are counting that huge empty area as "castle".  Dr. Loosmark  23:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, I don't mind if Castello Sforzesco is bigger or not, I didn't even mention this possibility in its article: but such a claim as "the biggest castle" requires a very good source, and actually we don't have any. I've mentioned Castello Sforzesco to show that this statement may be false, because as I said I don't like to challenge unsourced statement if I don't have any reason to think that they might be incorrect; I've added here some more details like the estimated area to try to understand what the "world's largest" claim is referring to (area, volume, floor space, what else?) but in the article I've added only sourced statements (e.g. on the total area), so there's no original research: the problem is not alleged original research, but that the lack of sources and explanations of this "world's largest" claim forces us to guess what it's referring to. --Nemo 08:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  World's largest 

message: Could you change the German name "Ordensburg Marienburg" to "Marienburg" or "Die Marienburg" (to separate it from the German name of the town)? "Ordensburg Marienburg" sounds weird in German. Ordensburg is only an explanation what kind of castle it is, but it is not a part of the name. Apologize for my bad English.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.56.109.61 (talk) 06:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  German Name 

message: Back on topic. The title of this article is "Malbork Castle". On Wikipedia, the first sentence of an article's lede introduces the subject and it does so by including the title of the article in bold. This is just standard practice. So the first sentence of the article should be "The Malbork Castle (Polish: zamek w Malborku; German: Ordensburg Marienburg) is the largest castle in the world by surface area, and the largest brick building in Europe." Not "The Castle of the Teutonic Order in Malbork..." since that is NOT the title of this article. Of course the UNESCO name can - and should be - mentioned in the article, but the first sentence needs to match up with the article title.
Note that this has NOTHING to do with Gdansk-Danzig vote and any raising of that (old, outdated, superseded) vote are just red herrings which do nothing but derail the discussion.VolunteerMarek 19:15, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro of the lede 

message: Currently the article states that during the 13 Years War the castle was purchased from the Czech mercenaries by "Stibor de Poniec of Ostoja" - whoever that is (I could maybe find a Scibor of Ostoja, but the "de Poniec" is just weird - the wlink is just to the Wikipedia article on the clan Ostoja - which has it's own crazy problems). However, I think the castle was actually purchased by Andrzej Tęczyński (1461). The source at the end of the paragraph is completely irrelevant to that piece of information... or to any of the other information in this article.Volunteer Marek 02:54, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scibor or Teczynski