Talk:Samurai

message: Women weren't actually allowed to be samurai. Samurai is a masculine term, which means women couldn't be samurai. Women became Onna-bugeisha instead. Joshwada (talk) 01:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Japanese doesn't have grammatical gender.  Unsure what you mean?  The Japanese article at :ja:武士 also explicitly states that the term bushi ("warrior") is not gendered, and that there were women who served as bushi.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 02:10, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women samurai  

message: Given that samurai in Japan is never, ever used,and bushi is, samurai should redirect to bushi, not vice versa. 
 Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 05:39, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know where you get that Samurai is never used in Japan. It's used all over Japan if you travel around. Whole museums with it in the name, districts named the Samurai District etc. Canterbury Tail talk 17:32, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: And even if it were true that "samurai" was never used in Japanese (which is not true), this is the English wiki. In English, "bushi" is almost never used. Tsuka (talk) 15:52, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samurai or bushi 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurouni_Kenshin
I think Rurouni Kenshin  should be listed as well, especially since it happens during the transition of the samurai dominated era to the western era, with manga, anime, and live action films.  It portrays a stylized view not often seen in most material, and similar to the setting in The Last Samurai.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.39.156.254 (talk) 19:18, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to one of  the most famous animes featuring samurai should be listed 

message: Officials of and under the sixth rank were called simobito, or "people on the ground", as opposed to tenjoubito, "people in the audience hall", for those fifth rank and above.  Samurai seems associated with the verb saburau meaning "to attend".  Uses of the word 侍 was not associated with Samurai until the Kamukura period; previously, it referred to a range of attendants including secretaries and notaries, but not samurai as we know it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Y11971alex (talk • contribs) 06:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Asuka and Nara Period Misinformation

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message: 209.156.232.194 (talk) 14:15, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:22, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2018 

message: Please delete this duplicate word in the section "History" "of all all the classes during the Meiji revolution they were the most affected" 81.96.15.89 (talk) 10:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done: please see Special:Diff/927415876. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 10:46, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2019 

message: At some point, samurai were forbidden from joining the military or serving in government. Has this changed?
:Kortoso  (talk) 11:20, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify 

message: Under section "Women" there is a tense disagreement in the fourth sentence of the second paragraph. The sentence should maintain the past tense of the rest of the article. (i.e. "A woman could divorce her husband if he did not treat her well or if he was a traitor to his wife's family.") Ideally, a citation would also be introduced. 142.118.156.185 (talk) 16:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, I tweaked the tense as indicated and added  to that paragraph. Thanks, ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:22, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2020 

message: according to the guardian the "first samurai" in history was Taira no Masakado: "The tale of the ‘first samurai’ whose severed head still terrorises Tokyoites today is the story of the city itself" & "Eventually those rebels seized power for themselves through victory in combat, and Masakado was anointed the 'first samurai'." where does this source fit in the article? thank you Grandia01 (talk) 05:44, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: the "first" samurai

message: The myth and reality section of the article could use some further elaboration to some points it has already made, and some minor corrections.
Firstly, samurai never followed any sort of stable rigid "honor code" prior to when Bushido was written long after the samurai were gone. Of course there were guidelines as to how a warrior should train, what kind of skills and tactics they should learn, and basic etiquette, but these were far from any sort of ritualized honor code. It should be further emphasized that samurai, especially the earliest samurai clans (particularly during the Heian Period) behaved no better than pillaging bandits.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6xgz4p2d60 They also functioned as tax collectors, and were hired to routinely squash rebellions. Samurai committed quite a few atrocities as well, like the Enryaku-ji Massacre, and were also quite treacherous/brutal towards one another (Minamoto No Yoritomo executing his brothers Yoshitsune and Noriyori, The battle of Sekigahara, and pretty much any other significant historical event revolved around betrayal or slaughter just like anywhere else.) Samurai were largely self-interested, and their only real motivation was to gain land, power, and income, nevermind "honor"
This is a good source for further information (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6xgz4p2d60) --MountedSamurai (talk) 18:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Myths and Reality 

message: The WP:LEDECITEs seem to still be necessary, so I've restored them, moved slightly to follow "nobility", since most of them also explicitly support not only "hereditary" but also "military nobility". I personally hate LEDECITEs in general, especially in cases like this where they expose, to this article's roughly 3,000 daily visitors, the fact that there is a dispute among Wikipedians (or, rather, between one Wikipedian and everyone else) regarding a fact that is uncontroversial outside of Wikipedia and was even uncontroversial here until a few weeks ago. The formatting is largely a result of me not wanting to format four templates for an ultimately temporary solution, but it also serves the purpose of keeping the lead "clean" of any more than one number and two square brackets; I would like to see this "dispute" resolved as quickly and cleanly as possible and the LEDECITEs (which I have formatted as a single citation of four ELs) removed or WP:COMMENTed out. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:13, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbitrary break 

message: The word “predecessor” is misspelled in the first paragraph, but I don’t have the ability to edit it. Kashmirton (talk) 00:51, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. Canterbury Tail talk 01:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo needs to be fixed 

message: Comments needed concerning the historical figure Yasuke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yasuke#Request_for_comment_on_samurai_terminology natemup (talk) 03:38, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment on samurai terminology 

message: I have edited this page some, and I think it could use some fixing. Especially with the small section I put about ninja leaders being samurai.
The creator of the video does claim to have a history PhD, but I would like sources from a book about this and for the section to be expanded.
I also have a question. Did I cite the video correctly? I would like to know what the way to in-text cite a video, TV show, or film is for future edits on other pages. I could not find it. GoutComplex (talk) 17:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhauling this page 

message: In the arts section of this article, the first paragraph is of St Francis Xavier. Besides being initially unclear who “Francis” is, this should be moved to the religion section and updated with a full name reference. Thoughts? I did not want to arbitrarily edit this article as I have no connection to it other than as a reader. Fax10 (talk) 15:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arts content 

message: In the weapons section there is a photograph captioned 'antique Japanese Katana'. The image is almost certainly of a Tanto, a dagger length blade. As per the main page on Japanese swords, a Tanto is any blade under 1 shaku (about 30cm) long. A Katana is over 2 shaku (60cm) long. The blade in the image is undoubtedly not 60cm long, although it is not impossible it is marginally over 30cm long which would make it a wakizashi. But its far too thick for a wakizashi so I am certain it is a Tanto.
Either way, it is definately not a Katana. Can someone with edit power fix this, or find a different image of a Katana from the main page. 82.21.177.242 (talk) 21:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's a wakizashi. Though technically it's still a katana as in the strictest sense as katana is simply the Japanese name for a single edged sword with no specificity to length etc, not a particular type of sword as westerners have attached to it. What westerners call a katana is actually a uchigatana. Canterbury Tail talk 23:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in weapons section 

message: I have removed the hierarchy chart, which is completely wrong. Such a hierarchical chart dividing peasants, craftsmen, and merchants into classes is based on an old academic theory from decades ago, and it has become clear in recent years that peasants (hyakushō), craftsmen, and merchants (chōnin) were equal in Japan. Such hierarchical charts have already been removed from Japanese textbooks.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 08:28, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Successive shogun held the highest or near-highest court ranks and outranked most court nobles.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 11:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I was surprised to see that various pages still describe explanations based on the pyramid-shaped social hierarchy chart of the Edo period, which is based on theories from more than 30 years ago. Even elementary and junior high school students know that samurai, peasats, craftsmen, and merchants are not a social hierarchy if you are Japanese. I think many Japanese probably know that it is an occupational classification, although it is possible that people in their 40s and older who are not interested in history may not have updated their knowledge. Of course, the Japanese Wikipedia version of the :ja:士農工商 page mentions at the top of the page that it is a mistake to say that it is a pecking order.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 19:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edo period 

message: Removed statements that have nothing to do with samurai culture. In addition, these descriptions give inappropriate weight to the actions of some samurai at one time and their evaluation, and the source and the explanation based on it are quite inaccurate.
For example, the explanation based on this source is inappropriate because it synthesizes information about tsuji-giri, a crime committed during the Sengoku period, and kiriste-gomen, a right of samurai in the Edo period that required various conditions for its execution.　In addition, the description of "commoners and their village cultures, where pacifist movements flourished" is a strange explanation when it comes to historical facts. Furthermore, there is no source for the statement that the general public compared the actions of ninja and samurai and judged both as dishonorable. The general public's cultural views of the ninja were formed in the Edo period, beginning in the 17th century, and to describe them in combination with the behavior of the samurai during the Sengoku period is an inappropriate synthesis of information.
In any case, this is not something that should be written in the section on samurai culture, so it has been deleted.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 18:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also removed some of the explanations in the Sengoku period section that contain the same thing as above. The user who made these edits was repeating explanations on various pages that were not in the sources at all, or were perverted, or based on improper weighting, or synthesized information, and the same was true of the posts in the Sengoku period and Culture sections of this page. Since the Sengoku period section already states that the samurai code was loose during this period and that there were repeated instances of infighting within clans and betrayal of the lord by the samurai, it is perfectly acceptable without the explanation of the incorrect or improper source citation added by this user.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 10:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture 

message: Stop spreading misinformation. Don Basura (talk) 05:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yasuke was never sworn as a Samurai.  

message: :Yasuke has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. RomeshKubajali (talk) 23:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Yasuke]] has an [[WP:RFC|RfC]]