Talk:Va, pensiero

message: A number of opera excerpts and arias are now being proposed for moving to Wikisource. Someone removed the Wikisource tag here apparenly because it was not a complete opera. I have put it back. These articles are anomalous in WP. If they are moved to Wikisource then they can be edited as appropriate there. There is a discussion about this on Opera Project. - Kleinzach 10:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: Is it Va, pensiero or Va', pensiero.  We're using both versions at the moment. --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  07:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: From memory, the apostrophe is not marking a contraction, it's a grave accent, or more precisely the vestigial remains of one.  The third person singular of andare is "va" (go),  but "và" indicates the imperative mood (go!).  The ` in và is archaic, making no difference in pronunciation or otherwise.  Perhaps fossilised as an apostrophe, it can be, and is often, left off.  This perhaps may explain the "free variation" - analogous to Free variation in linguistics - between "Va pensiero" and "Va' pensiero".  Or maybe I'm just completely wrong.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds quite plausible, thanks Shirt.  Maybe an Italian speaker can advise.  All I know is that, at the moment, between the title, the opening words of the lede, the text in the excerpt in the photo, and the photo caption, we're using Va x 3, and Va' x 2.  It makes us look like a Mickey Mouse outfit. Even if we're 100% wrong, better to make the same mistake consistently than have a mish mash like this.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  14:55, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Update to Monsieur Maillot Cinquante-huit: As you would have seen from the replies on the Language Ref Desk here, in standard Italian it would be Va', but the actual libretto has the apostrophe-free version, Va.  They checked with the experts on Italian WP.  I guess it doesn’t matter which version we choose for our article, as long as we spell it consistently, and have a redirect from the other version, which we do.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  19:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A few verbs in Italian have a special form for the imperative in the seocnd person singular. There are very few (I think it's only something like four or five), but they all end with an apostrophe, which is not normally used for all the other verbs. So the second person singular imperative of the verb andare (to go) is va'. Va without the apostrophe is the third person singular indicative (he/she/it goes/is going). The second person singular indicative is vai, and a lot of modern Italians use the indicative when they really should use the imperative (so if this chorus were written today it might be spelt "vai pensiero"). The apostrophe is merely indicative of this rather special imperative, and is not indicative of any missing letters. Spell checkers on mobile phones very often replace va' with và, which absolutely doesn't exist as any sort of a verb form, but which a lot of people think must be correct as their mobile has "corrected" it to that spelling. To use the spelling used for this article, "va pensiero", actually means something like "the thought is going", rather than ordering a thought to go. Therefore, for it to be correct Italian the apostrophe is absolutely required. Safebreaker (talk) 21:08, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The spelling should stay as in the score. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:33, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Apostrophe or not?

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message: The IPA transcription of "Va, pensiero" should be emended to : [ˈva penˈsjɛːro]), because in Italian consonant gemination never occurs after a syntactic pause (here signalled by a comma). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntactic_gemination#Exceptions  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HumbleEB (talk • contribs) 07:58, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA transcription of "Va, pensiero" 

message: The passage «In 2009 Senator Umberto Bossi proposed replacing Italy's national anthem with "Va, pensiero"....» suggests that he was the first to do so, but in 2009 the proposal was certainly not new. Giorgio Soavi proposed the change much earlier. Thus I would re-write the whole as:
«On January 27 1981 the journalist and creative writer Giorgio Soavi (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Soavi) proposed replacing Italy's national anthem with "Va, pensiero" in a letter published by Indro Montanelli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indro_Montanelli) in his daily newspaper “Il Giornale” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Giornale). The proposal was widely discussed for some time and then abandoned until 2009, when Senator Umberto Bossi took it up again,[5] but to no effect. However, Bossi's political party, Lega Nord/Padania, has adopted "Va, pensiero" as its official hymn and the chorus is now sung at all party meetings (see, for example, "National Anthem" at http://memim.com/padania.html and cfr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Va'_pensiero_Padania).»  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HumbleEB (talk • contribs) 08:06, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role in Italian political history