Talk:John IV, Duke of Brittany

message: I am not convinced he should be called John V. The French Wiki calls him Jean IV, the Breton Wiki calls him Yann IV. His father was not numbered, not because of a French bias, but because there was no peace treaty in his lifetime it was a civil war and nobody was duke of all the Bretons between 1341 and 1364.
The only reference in this article is a book from a well-known specialist  … who calls him John IV: "Michael Jones, Ducal Brittany, 1364-1399: relations with England and France during the reign of Duke John IV" Patris22 (talk) 12:27, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  John IV or John V 

message: I've saved some information at
http://alderspace.pbworks.com/w/page/102759130/Duke%20of%20Brittany
some of which will be lost with the proposed moves and which might I hope be useful (even essential) afterwards.
It's just a copy and paste from the "what links here" pages, and doesn't tell us where the links are on the pages. But it at least tells us which pages are affected. In each case, fortunately and as you'll see, there are less than 500 incoming links so it's possible to list them all on one page, which is what I've done.
Comments welcome. In particular, is there a way of gathering more soon-to-be-lost information that I haven't thought of?
It might be good for someone to check the accuracy of what I've done, too, and confirm that you can use the page (for read at least) without needing to sign on the PBWorks (which is my intention and I think essential if the page is to be of use). 
This information would be much better in a Wikipedia project, talk or user page, of course, I've used the PBWorks page just because I'm a little more comfortable with the editor there for such tasks. Feel free to copy to your user space or other places if that helps. Andrewa (talk) 17:42, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never actually heard of the surname "John the Wise". I'd say judge the relinking on context for that instance. When is the person the article is referencing alive/reigning? What I've found when I looked through the redirects earlier is that virtually all references that include "Jean IV de" something or simply "Jean" really mean John IV, Duke of Brittany, and not John of Montfort. But again, context matters. I did a few link changes a few days ago and found numerous errors in the links even before the move. I suspect that this mass-move will finally resolve a number of longstanding issues that have affected articles relating to these three men.–Darius von Whaleyland, Great Khan of the Barbarian Horde 02:45, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've hacked away at this for a few hours and have got through a fair bit, but more probably needs to be done. Unfortunately there's no real indicator to see what links have been fixed and what haven't, you can check my contributions or the history of any article in question though. I've also retargeted the all the redirects from the second bullet point to John IV's article. Maybe Andrewa will chip in from here, but ultimately as the proposer of the move it's your responsibility to make sure all the links are fixed (I'm sorry if that sounds harsh). Jenks24 (talk) 06:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough—I simply don't have time to do so currently. I've got a deadline on Friday and a number of other important things, but I'll see what I can do. At least we have the link list as a hard copy so we can continue to reference it. Thanks for all the work you've done so far. It's really appreciated.–Darius von Whaleyland, Great Khan of the Barbarian Horde 06:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, I think most of the urgent links are fixed, so it doesn't have to get done immediately and I apologise that I made it sound like that above. I do thank you taking this on, obviously it has been a problem here for many years and once everything gets fully resolved (I think we are most of the way there) this little corner of the encyclopedia will be in much better shape. Jenks24 (talk) 06:58, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

text: I'm afraid I'm not able to help much... I've moved bush and Telstra have just sold me a directional antenna saying I would get broadband with it, and three weeks later (during which time it was never true broadband but OK for email and Wikipedia) they turned off both of the transponders that serviced it. Looking at satellite... But I thought it was urgent to save the data.... one of the software limitations of our current setup is that it's not easy to recover such lists after a move (nor easy to imagine how to tweak the software so we could... articles are versioned, but not the entire database, and it would be an enormous overhead to do so). Glad it seems to have worked. Andrewa (talk) 06:38, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post move 

message: I've made a start on the links, but there's still a fair way to go. I've also updated most of the redirects, but there was a few I wasn't sure about that I'll list here:
*  and  – I assume they are fine to point at John V, but just wanted to make sure there was no confusion with any other John VI
* , ,  and  all currently point to John of Montfort, but I assume most(?) should be retargeted to John IV
—Jenks24 (talk) 02:36, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never actually heard of the surname "John the Wise". I'd say judge the relinking on context for that instance. When is the person the article is referencing alive/reigning? What I've found when I looked through the redirects earlier is that virtually all references that include "Jean IV de" something or simply "Jean" really mean John IV, Duke of Brittany, and not John of Montfort. But again, context matters. I did a few link changes a few days ago and found numerous errors in the links even before the move. I suspect that this mass-move will finally resolve a number of longstanding issues that have affected articles relating to these three men.–Darius von Whaleyland, Great Khan of the Barbarian Horde 02:45, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've hacked away at this for a few hours and have got through a fair bit, but more probably needs to be done. Unfortunately there's no real indicator to see what links have been fixed and what haven't, you can check my contributions or the history of any article in question though. I've also retargeted the all the redirects from the second bullet point to John IV's article. Maybe Andrewa will chip in from here, but ultimately as the proposer of the move it's your responsibility to make sure all the links are fixed (I'm sorry if that sounds harsh). Jenks24 (talk) 06:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough—I simply don't have time to do so currently. I've got a deadline on Friday and a number of other important things, but I'll see what I can do. At least we have the link list as a hard copy so we can continue to reference it. Thanks for all the work you've done so far. It's really appreciated.–Darius von Whaleyland, Great Khan of the Barbarian Horde 06:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, I think most of the urgent links are fixed, so it doesn't have to get done immediately and I apologise that I made it sound like that above. I do thank you taking this on, obviously it has been a problem here for many years and once everything gets fully resolved (I think we are most of the way there) this little corner of the encyclopedia will be in much better shape. Jenks24 (talk) 06:58, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

text: I'm afraid I'm not able to help much... I've moved bush and Telstra have just sold me a directional antenna saying I would get broadband with it, and three weeks later (during which time it was never true broadband but OK for email and Wikipedia) they turned off both of the transponders that serviced it. Looking at satellite... But I thought it was urgent to save the data.... one of the software limitations of our current setup is that it's not easy to recover such lists after a move (nor easy to imagine how to tweak the software so we could... articles are versioned, but not the entire database, and it would be an enormous overhead to do so). Glad it seems to have worked. Andrewa (talk) 06:38, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirects