Talk:Paikuhan

message: Anyone else think the name of the page should be changed from Pikkon to Paikuhan? FUNi's name screws up the name pun and Japanese names are typically used over English names in most pages I see on wiki. Takuthehedgehog 06:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the english manga names are used over both the FUNi and Japanese names. Scince Paikuhan is not in the manga, the more logical choice (imo) would be FUNimation's name, scince this is the English Wikipedia.--KojiDude (Contributions) 15:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd perfer it be changed to Paikuhan, but as long as the article mentions the Japanese name I'm fine. Takuthehedgehog 05:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd vote Paikuhan. Most of the other articles here use the orignal names or in some cases the Viz manga, NOT FUNimation. FUNimation has by and large not cared about the original names and their respective puns. Onikage725 14:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote the name be changed. Article title too. Same as the rest. To be perfectly frank and honest, the argument that the FUNimation "translations" be lent any sort of credence (outside of a mention here and there where appropriate) due to this being "the English Wiki" is a load of garbage IMO. I don't mean to sound overly harsh (could be that I'm in a moderately cranky mood this morning, my apologies there), it's just that NO other anime series ANYWHERE on Wiki (English or otherwise) is made this sort of allowance for altered English dub names save only Dragon Ball and Pokemon. Hit up any Sailor Moon or Yu-Gi-Oh! page for proof positive on this. It's an annoying double standard, and it's one that few other anime seem to get subjected to as frequently as Dragon Ball (and the aforementioned Pokemon) for whatever inexplicable reason. At least DBZ seems to be turning over slowly but surely. Still though, Paikuhan's a fairly major filler-anime character in DBZ, so I think he warrants the full on Japanese/World naming treatment that just about EVERY OTHER character has gotten in recent months thus far.That's my other big argument on the matter; the fact that these characters have (more or less) retained their proper names in EVERY COUNTRY the anime has been dubbed and translated in EXCEPT the U.S. (and that's a lot). The U.S. is definitely the black sheep on this one, and that's not even going into the "seniority" aspect (the fact that these character's names have existed in their original incarnation for many, many years prior to the English dub). And again it's with all that in mind that I think it warrants the FUNimation names getting bumped down to a much lower rung on the "canon" ladder.Fuad Ramses 14:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it merits pointing out that many of these names (and in some cases, plot points) were well known before they were dubbed. Sites and boards with info on the series existed long before this particular licensed version was completely dubbed, as is true with any anime. Here's an example. Bleach has recently been recieved the English-language treatment. Rukia of Bleach is a Shinigami, or Death God. In the dub, Shinigami is translated as Soul Reaper. Bleach related articles use Shinigami, sometimes Death God, and note that in the US it was translated as Soul Reaper. Another example. Death Note. One of the main characters is a Death God named Ryuk. If the series' gets licensed and Ryuk's name is changed to something like...I dunno...Lucky, I seriously doubt the main header on the character is going to change from Ryuk. There's a wealth of info on Death Note, despite the series' not being licensed by a dubbing company. If a dub comes out, awsome. But if that company alters the series, that doesn't somehow retcon the actual facts of the show. Onikage725 17:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also wanna throw something else out that doesn't get brought up enough: that Wikipedia has a nifty little tool we call "redirects". Seriously I can't count the number of times I've heard "pro-dub-name" users bemoan that "casual fans will get confused by the different name" as an argument for sticking with FUNimation's sloppy translations as Wiki gospel. It's a little hard to get "confused" about who you're reading up on when typing in the dub name whisks you to an article with a big fat image of the character's mug right at the top staring you in the face, regardless of the article title. All the more so when the dub name is noted almost right at the outset, along with an explanation about the name differences. Fuad Ramses 11:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, and changed. This informal debate seemed to favor the change, and most other romanized name vs dub name debates have sided with the former. I'm pretty sure almost every other article is either the US manga or romanized in the event that the manga is...wierd i.e Saibaimen over Cultivars (as opposed to Saibamen in the dub) or Vegetto over Vegerot (as opposed to Vegito in the dub). So this is more consistent with the other articles. I figure if other editors feel otherwise we should have an official debate or poll or something of that nature. What do you think? Onikage725 13:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I would hesitate to call this a "debate", informal or otherwise, seeing as how there was one brief and lone dissenting opinion that was voiced. And voiced months back I might add. Other than that, I'd say it looks all good to me. Again I fail to see the potential "confusion" what with all the pics and the redirects and all. And like you mentioned before, an official U.S. dub altering a character's name does not somehow "retcon" the original, particularly when the name is altered to such an extent and the original name was relatively well known beforehand (like Paikuhan and Mr. Satan). Fuad Ramses 09:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Change