Talk:Indochinese tiger

message: So I found this photo on commons and I thought it would potentially make a great main photo for this article.
 FelineLover (talk) 12:58, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Sex is tough to tell with tigers. And even I know a lot about tigers. 216.249.251.129 (talk) 20:56, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: New main photo

message: There's a story in this article about an enormous tiger that theoretically terrorized some Vietnamese villages before being shot. The original version of this story read like pulp fiction so I tried to condense it and make it more formal, but I'm not sure if this story is true. Can anyone provide a source for it? -UberMan5000 18:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it to be true. The fact that we don't have a source doesn't mean it didn't happen. I mean, there was an entire village that suffered.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.93.236 (talk) 23:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giant Tiger Story 

message: Can some please cite the fallowingPhatom87 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed 

message: I removed some words in the article that vandalized it. Telemachus Claudius Rhade 17:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed vandalism. 

message: As part of an assignment for the class HNRS 1035 through Louisiana State University, I am contributing to this existing article in order to expand and add to the already existing information and provide further citations and sources for the reader.
Rosamevel (talk) 19:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Contribution

message: The image in the Ibox has been changed to an occupant of the Zoological Garden Berlin, Germany, due to a claim made earlier on this talk page.  Because of the recent designation of the Malay subspecies, the images we have may be incorrectly named – I'm not even completely sure that the present image in the Ibox is not a Malayan rather than a Corbett.  The images involved in this controversy can be found in:
: Category:Panthera tigris, specifically in... 
:: Category:Panthera tigris corbetti and...
:: Category:Panthera tigris jacksoni (Malayan tiger).
Thank you for any help you can give to confirm the identity of these tigers! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 17:17, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: All tigers in captivity in Europe and America that were labelled as corbetti are actually jacksoni, so the animal in the photo is actually a Malayan. Here's a resource too:
http://zootierliste.de/en/?klasse=1&ordnung=115&familie=11508&art=1120922
BronxZooFan (talk) 19:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  You can help! 

message: Sources and info revealed that the Indochinese tigers' population had always estimated at about 350 individuals, the other total population was more than 421, while most others estimated at more or less than 1100 Indochinese tigers worldwide. In fact, the Indochinese tiger are the second most common subspecies of the tigers, so there should be more at least a thousand in total. But really, which is how? How many Indochinese tigers are out there?--FierceJake754 (talk) 19:49, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many are there? 

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message: The text says that there are hundreds of tigers in Thailand, Myanmar and Vietnam, but the map doesn't show them. Kortoso  (talk) 22:33, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Make a better one! -- BhagyaMani (talk) 00:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map doesn't match text 

message: See this. Leo1pard (talk) 08:36, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indochinese tiger in [[Northeast India]] 

message: See Talk:Bengal_tiger#First_sentence_structure. AnomalousAtom (talk) 08:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion about first sentence structure 

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrightOrion (talk • contribs) 11:54, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Mathglot. I withdraw the Rfc but I would like to draw other people's attention to a problem with the Indochinese tiger article. Is there a way to do this? BrightOrion (talk) 13:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   yes, there is: you can advertise the discussion by adding notices at related WP:WikiProjects, such as the five listed at the top of this page. Make up a brief statement, such as, "" and add it to the Talk pages of any of those projects that seem relevant to you, with a section header like  == Indochinese tiger feedback request ==.  In addition, since this is not an Rfc, canvassing rules do not apply, meaning, if you know some trusted editors whose opinions you'd like to have, you can either notify them individually on their talk pages , or ping them all together in the discussion itself: . Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 14:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect, thanks! BrightOrion (talk) 14:19, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled Rfc 

message: , did you intend to start an Rfc ?  If so, you have to state a simple question (preferably a yes-no question) that you wish to see resolved with the participation of other editors. In addition, you need to fulfill certain conditions before starting the Rfc; see WP:RFCBEFORE. If you're not ready to start an Rfc, or if this was a mistake, just reply saying, "I withdraw the Rfc," and I will take care of it for you.  Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 13:40, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Mathglot. I withdraw the Rfc but I would like to draw other people's attention to a problem with the Indochinese tiger article. Is there a way to do this? BrightOrion (talk) 13:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   yes, there is: you can advertise the discussion by adding notices at related WP:WikiProjects, such as the five listed at the top of this page. Make up a brief statement, such as, "" and add it to the Talk pages of any of those projects that seem relevant to you, with a section header like  == Indochinese tiger feedback request ==.  In addition, since this is not an Rfc, canvassing rules do not apply, meaning, if you know some trusted editors whose opinions you'd like to have, you can either notify them individually on their talk pages , or ping them all together in the discussion itself: . Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 14:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect, thanks! BrightOrion (talk) 14:19, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: I have added Myanmar to the Indochinese tiger's distribution map. I have done this by combining these files.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indochinese_tiger#/media/File:Panthera_tigris_tigris_and_Panthera_tigris_corbetti_distribution_map.png
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Panthera_tigris_corbetti_distribution_map.png
However, the article of Indochinese tiger says there are only 22 Indochinese tigers in Myanmar. The distribution map suggests many more than 22 and so there is a discrepancy. Additionally, the article states the Indochinese tiger is found in Myanmar, Thailand and Laos, whereas the distribution map also shows the tiger in Cambodia and India (the states of Arunachal Pradesh, Nagaland, and Mizoram). The Pakke Tiger Reserve article suggests the Indochinese tiger is found in Nagaland in India. 
Furthermore, the following website says "By 2020, the population of Indochinese Tigers had fallen by more than 80% in just over a decade, and just 221 Indochinese tigers are estimated to remain in Thailand and Myanmar. No viable populations of tigers remain in Cambodia, China, Lao People's Democratic Republic, or Vietnam." https://globalconservation.org/species-facing-extinction/indochinese-tiger/
Summary of issues:
# Is the Indochinese tiger found in Laos now? (current Indochinese tiger article says it is, other websites say it isn't)
# Is it found in India? (current distribution map and Pakke Tiger Reserve article says it is)
# Is it found in Cambodia? (current distribution map says it is)
# How many tigers are there now in Myanmar? (current distribution map suggests more than 22)
BrightOrion (talk) 13:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: LAOS : see section *Distribution and habitat* : 14 tigers documented between 2013 and 2017. Am not aware of later records. – BhagyaMani (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The question then becomes "are 14 tigers a viable population?" If so, it doesn't agree with the Global Conservation website I linked to. I know you don't like any websites that aren't of a scientific nature BhagyaMani, so you will probably dismiss it. BrightOrion (talk) 17:19, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: I have updated the distribution map. I have removed the tiger from India, Cambodia and China. I have greatly reduced its range in Thailand, referring to this map https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989421002687#fig0005. If anyone can tell me where in Laos the handful of tigers are, I will add that to the map. BrightOrion (talk) 19:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe these help: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Historic-and-Current-Geographic-Distribution-of-Tigers-Corresponding-to-the-Eight_fig1_8143646 ('current' was 2004), https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/15955/50659951#geographic-range (2021) - it has a really long bibliography list at the bottom of the page,  waddie96 ★ (talk) 20:00, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you waddie96! Sadly, that Researchgate map above, although it is only as recently as 2004, is quite out of date now. The map shows the Indochinese tiger in India, Malaysia, a lot of Thailand, a lot of Laos, and Vietnam. Its range has shrunk a lot since then, I believe. BrightOrion (talk) 07:01, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Distribution map query

message: Hi , Why did you remove my recent contributions to the article. What is wrong with the content? I attribute all content to reliable sources.
1- The content that Myanmar has both the Bengal tiger and the Indochinese tiger, is supported by a source that is a journal article in a magazine (Cite journal is popular in Wikipedia, so it is considered a reliable source).
2- The content that mentions the depiction of 3 cubs attributed to news (there is the same content in the same article regarding Thailand, so why were these contributions accepted and my contributions removed).
3- The additions you made to estimating the number of tigers in Myanmar with 22 are important additions that contain supplementary information that must be mentioned, including that this census included only adult and semi-adult individuals, meaning that 22 does not include all Myanmar tigers.
4- The content in which it was mentioned that the tiger habitat in Myanmar is dangerous and cannot be surveyed due to the conflicts is an important addition that explains why not all tigers in the country were counted as in the previous content which stated that only 8% of the tiger habitat was included in the census. I think this addition is important and it is supported by a Myanmar's news website (and I think it is considered an acceptable source)
5- The tiger census in Laos and Vietnam is attributed to a reliable source, which is the WWF, which all animal articles cite, and also it is the last official census for the two countries and there is no other census. So I think it is not acceptable to remove such content attributed to a reliable source.
6- The extinction of the tiger in Laos is attributed to an journal article and is therefore attributed to a 100% reliable source and it is not understood why it was removed.
7- The content of its extinction in Vietnam is attributed to a Vietnamese news website, so I think it is acceptable.
8- The last conclusion in which he mentioned that the Indochina tiger has only survived in Myanmar and Thailand is attributed to a reliable source, which is Mongabay which, as mentioned in his article, is one of the best green websites, so it is definitely a reliable source.
So please take back my recent contributions. If the defect of contributions is their length, you can shorten them, and if this is not the place for them, move them to the appropriate place, and if the content violates copyright, you can reformulate it in a way that does not violate copyright. As for removing all of these valuable contributions entirely, even though they are backed up by reliable sources, I do not find it acceptable.محمد ماجد السورميري (talk) 12:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been removing your additions because they are copyright violations, which are considered a severe problem. SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:54, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. See also User talk:BhagyaMani#Remove my contributions -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove my contributions