Talk:Strategy game

message: This article could need from an overhaul, especially to synchronise it with the List of computer and video games by genre#Strategy page/section. To build on what I'm thinking of, it would benefit from a little discussion on genres and relations between them, war- and non-war strategy games, etc. Mikademus 08:54, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also the Computer and video game genres#Strategy page to consider. Seems things are getting a little confused, but the strategy sections of these three articles (including this one) are at least quite consistent, which is more that can be said for some of the other genres... Mikademus 18:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Overhaul

message: I removed the following text:
:Grand strategy games allow players to have both large strategic games, and smaller tactical games together.  The best example of this series is the Total War series where players recruit and move armies, spies and diplomats on the world map, but then control the ensuing battles with an entirely different interface and commands.
:The tactical portion of these kinds of games are usually a derivitive of real-time strategy, but many also have a close resemblance to war gaming.  Turn-based is possible, but no examples of such are well known.  
First, the definition is imprecise. There are many games where interface for strategic games and tactical battles is different. HMM, Masters of Magic, UFO, Ascendancy, etc., etc. It's unclear what definition is implied here and a quick google didn't turn up any definite examples of usage of this term. Also, in games listed above the tactical section is turn-based. But the Total War games are not "a derivative of RTS", they are RTS, but a very specific more realistic sub-genre. It's also not clear how can something which has "a close resemblance to war gaming" not be a turn-based game. For all these reasons I think the text should be removed. If anything like this is to be put back, we need to
*have a reference to the usage of the term
*have a clear definition
Paranoid 20:34, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that grand strategy games don't deal with tactical battles, but rather focus on the larger strategic picture. For instance, Diplomacy. Am I correct? If not, then what is the difference between 4X games and grand strategy? SharkD 20:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grand strategy

message: Game of strategy is a stub that covers the same topic. Since this article is much larger, it should be the merge destination. Seahen 00:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Game of strategy is more like Abstract strategy than Strategy game.  Maybe those articles should be merged instead? Percy Snoodle 09:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with that. --Rindis 16:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I concur. I also think that this article should be made computer-game specific, and the other bits perhaps moved to the "Game of strategy" article? Mikademus 10:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm leery of creating too much division between computer and non-computer games when talking about broad subjects that apply to both. Of course, I also believe that computer games could learn a few things about game design from other types of games if they'd stop ignoring their existence, so I have som POV here.... --Rindis 16:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Rindis, I personally don't think a distinction like that would be good. I would only agree if it was renamed Computer strategy game, but even then I don't see why the two subjects can't be merged to give a proper overview of a strategy game, espeically since the intro talks about board games being one of them. Strategy games have been around much longer than computer games have. Radagast83 17:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Huh? The only consensus I've seen is to merge Game of strategy to a different page than the proposed one. (i.e., to Abstract strategy instead of here.) --Rindis 21:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Wasn't Homeworld a RTS? And wasn't it quite popular. I am going to add that to the popular RTS game list because it still is. Bobo10512 05:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real time strategy 

message: The turn-based section needs to be rewritten, taking into account the existence of a separate turn-based tactics genre. SharkD 01:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. SharkD 02:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite section

message: Are puzzle games a sub-genre of strategy games? SharkD 02:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. SharkD 16:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Puzzle games

message: Does anybody know what this means in English?Jatrius 12:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It basically means "wargames transferred from board/table-top to computers". SharkD 16:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Wargames instantiated on computers"

message: I think their status as strategy games is dubious. The primary skill involved is eye coordination. Maybe a better place for them can be found? SharkD 17:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Artillery games

message: The definition section speaks very definitively and very theoretically but I see no citations.
A lot of concepts are introduced, most interestingly the skill/luck spectrum. In fact, most of the Intro section focuses on justifying the skill/luck spectrum.
Some board games involve physical skill, and most video games do; and in some games skill is a significant factor. The sentence regarding skill is about as meaningless as saying, "There's no skill except where there is." 
Also, the types given later in the article do not seem to be siblings, but random relatives. It would seem that if there's a category Abstract, then there'd be only one other category: Not Abstract—which would have to be simulation since Abstract is defined as not imitating real-world things and simulation as imitating real-world things. But wargames are simulations of war. And Strategy Video Games are in one sense a type of strategy game, but they're really a type of medium through which strategy games can be played. This means that Video Games includes both Abstract, Simulation, and Wargames, while Wargames is contained by Simulation, or Not Abstract.
If the games follow this categorization, it would look like this:
:Video Games
::Abstract
::Concrete
:::Simulation
::::Wargames
:Board Games
::Abstract
::Concrete
:::Simulation
::::Wargames
Which, of course, would be by no means an extensive list of all media through which strategy games can be played.
Since the introduction utterly lacks a foundation, and since I cannot find any theory of the luck/skill spectrum, I am reducing it to the definition, the etymology, and the distinction between 'Strategy' and 'Tactics.' The content should only be returned if accompanied by sources.Spezied (talk) 05:44, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition section needs some verifiability

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I don't videogame, so maybe I'm just overly suspicious, but it seems funny that both the games lauded as models in the Modern-day turn-based section are created by Firaxis and published by 2K Games. I also don't know enough about Wikipedia investigations to know how to see who put in that text, but my guess is it's a fankid or employee. Could someone more experienced in videogames take a look? Triplingual (talk) 02:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The section is indeed seriously flawed. It was included by one editor who basically did not do any other edits which raises warning flags, too. The exclusive mentioning of Firaxis titles is also not the only problem with the section. Parts of this edit almost read like an ad. Either way we still might want to assume that the edit was done in good faith. If you care to improve the section, most likely by severly cropping it, please go ahead (just as you always should feel free to do that). OdinFK (talk) 05:52, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspicious Convenience in Modern Day Turn-Based Section 

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