Talk:Macy's

message: The flagship store moved uptown to Herald Square at 34th Street and Broadway in 1902. Beginning with one building, and through expanded new construction or merging, eventually it grew into the world's largest department store, 152.15 million ft² (14.1 km²)of selling floor and an additional 72 million ft² (6.7 km²) restaurant. They also have recently expanded to 1 billion ft² (93 km²) which houses shoes and other women things. (Some claim that the GUM store is Moscow, Russia is larger.) Macy's now occupies the entire block from 7th Avenue to Broadway and 34th to 35th Streets -- except for one small brownstone on the corner of 34th and Broadway, which remains a separate property, though rented by Macy's annually for a legendary figure, and camouflaged with giant signs.
The statistics shown in this paragraph are completely crazy. Do you realize just how large 152.15 million ft² (14.1 km²) actually is? Let alone it being expanded to 1 billion ft² (93 km²), or a 72 million ft² (6.7 km²) restaurant (meant to accomodate the whole of New York's population having dinner together, I guess). The whole island of Manhattan is some 640 million ft² (59.5 km²), and the whole Empire State Building's gross floor area amounts to some 2.2 million ft²; which means this article is claiming that Macy*s at Herald Square before expasion occupied an area equivalent to about 1/4 of Manhattan or some 70 times the floor space of the Empire State. That's to say, Macy*s should have supposedly occupied a colossal skyscraper raising to a height of some 1,500 floors over its entire block, dwarfing the Empire State by comparison, and that, far from content with their gargantuan department store, they decided to expand it to over 6 times that. Being a skyscraper fan, I'm really eager to discover Macy*s little 9,000-floor 20-mile-high Shopaholic Paradise Tower majestically crowning New York's skyline, or did I miss it because it's hidden as an underground shopping megalopolis? Uaxuctum 17:25, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you make the fixes? (NB: I wasn't the one responsible for these figures.) --Lukobe 18:29, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, what do you think? Simply because I don't know the actual correct data, which was precisely what I was looking for when I looked up this article. The given data are very obviously wrong by one or two orders of magnitude. At Macy*s website they only show a picture of that big sign on the façade of their store claiming it to be the biggest in the world, but don't offer the statistical data to support that claim (or at least I couldn't find them). Googling around I've only found this: http://www.federated-fds.com/retail/mae_1_3.asp (Macy*s East - Number of Stores: 95 - Total Gross Sq. Ft.: 23.089 million), which doesn't specify the shopping space of the Herald Square store, but makes clear that it's way smaller than the 152 million (let alone 1 billion) ft² data in this article. Uaxuctum 13:51, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it. Edit by user 68.72.127.149 at 01:21 on 18 Mar 2004 changed "with 198,500 sq. m. (2.15 million sq ft) of selling floor" into that absurdity of "152.15 million sq ft of selling floor and an additional 72 million square foot restaurant". Google finds the first figure confirmed at the Guinness's website: (http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=49581 "Largest Department Store: Macy's, an 11-story building occupying an entire block in Herald Square, New York City, USA, covers an area of 198,500 sq. m. (2.15 million sq ft)". Another absurdity ("They also have recently expanded to 1 billion sq ft which houses shoes and other women things") was added by user Yohoboq at 09:04 on 24 Mar 2004. I'm reverting those two edits and restoring the correct figure. Uaxuctum 23:45, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Statistics errors

message: As a general comment, I believe the writing style and organization of this article could be improved. Most prominently, it reads like a narrative rather than an encyclopedia article. Anyone else agree? Ithacagorges 05:03, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
:I have reshuffled the text in an attempt to make the article more readable. I have also added an intro because that was missing. Rl 08:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It could also use some citations to support some of its weird assertions, such as the idea that the star comes from a tattoo on Mr. Macy.  But there are too many other cool things I'm already researching for Wikipedia, so someone else will have to take care of that.  --Coolcaesar 11:31, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Writing style

message: What is with changing the article name from "Macy's" to "Macy*s"? The use of an asterisk in the name is wildly nonstandard and a ridiculous indulgence of the corpration's vanity. They don't even bother to do it on their own website except in their logotype. Are we now to heed every requirement of every corporation to use whatever typographical fetish that strikes them? No publisher not on the Macy's payroll would even think of writing "Macy*s". It's ridiculous, especially without discussion and marked as minor. I say change it back. --Tysto 17:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name change to "Macy*s"

message: Since all of the former May Department Stores chains are currently transitioning to Macy's. Should we change all of the shopping malls articles that have a Famous-Barr, Filene's, Foley's, Hecht's, Kaufmann's, The Jones Store, L.S. Ayres, Meier & Frank, Marshall Field's, Robinsons-May, or Strawbridge's to Macy's or should we wait until the name changing becomes final in September? Bucs2004 03:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we keep the old brands as separate articles but make it clear that they are now part of history.  See Liberty House for an example.  We do not need to merge that much stuff into this article (which is getting too long).  --Coolcaesar 18:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Federated/May Merger

message: First, does this warrant its own topic (particularly one of several paragraphs) over what eventually developed into nothing more than a local public relations problem?  Second, recent edits removed an apology from Ron Klein and inserted an earlier quote from a lower-ranked person and a critical comment from the local ACLU director -- the edits seemed intended to paint Macy's in a worse light than may be warranted (particularly removal of the apology).  croll 21:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Edited the section and added some citations which were absent.croll
Since most the information in this section relates to different Macy's Divison, I feel that this "Controversy" piece should be split into different sections. For Example the part dealing with how Macy's dealt suspected shoplifters should be in the Macy's East article since in took place in New York. Also the Marshall Field's related actions should be placed within Macy's North. Controversy relating to Macy's as a whole (Federated Department Stores) should only be in this area.(MortalConviction 16:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I couldn't disagree more.  The shoplifter controversy regards nationwide Federated policy and actions.  There was no special Macy's East policy regarding shoplifters.  It was addressed in New York because the environment there was more conducive to cracking down on corporate crimes (due to Eliot Spitzer).  If you start saying that it should be put in the most specific possible unit, that's pretty much hiding it from anyone who might be interested.  Now, I'd understand if this stuff were moved to Federated Department Stores and replaced with a link to a controversy section of that article, but deleting the controversies and putting them in an obscure article is inappropriate.  This information deserves its due weight. Calbaer 17:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Is the Phishing scam notable? I get these all the time in my junk email from all sorts of chain stores. I'll remove it pending some cites Alastairward (talk) 10:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: Am I the only one noticing it?  I'm not too serious, but hmmmm.
A red star?
:Macy's logo has always been the red star. Bucs2004 00:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. They have always had a red star somewhere in their logo. I think it has moved around a bit though. --Coolcaesar 17:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Inspired by thered star tattoed on his armin tribute to the star that guided him when lost at sea Macy replaces his original store's trademark rooster with what is now one of the most recognizeable retail marks of all time: the Macy's red star." Milestones of company from website Sfcollegeguy 08:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's up with Macy's new logo? 

message: Macy's seems to have a clear clase of vandalism right now - someone inserted "Macy's is owned by shady records" in the beginning, although when I go to edit the HTML, the code that comes up doesn't contain this.  I'm relatively new at editing Wikipedia articles, and I don't know how to fix it, but it clearly needs fixing!  128.95.170.233 18:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: The article states that the first branch stores built by Macy's New York weren't until the 1980's, but the branch store at Colonie Center (near Albany) NY opened in 1966.  Albany isn't considered part of the NY metro area by any stretch of the imagination, so something needs to be fixed here.  --Snarkivist 19:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date for branch stores 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Macy'slogogg.gif

message: * Some newbie with the username Dirtyharry [This was User:Dirtyharry667 at 22:11, 14 July 2007: Anthony Appleyard 12:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you disagree, please explain here first before moving the article.  --Coolcaesar 21:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Of course I realize you are a dumbass and don't know squat thats why I no longer waste my time contributing here. 22:10, 14 July 2007 User:65.60.242.218
* Please tone the language down. Anthony Appleyard 12:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I quite agree with Coolcaesar and reverted the undiscussed and controversial move -- the department store, to my mind, is pretty clearly the primary topic here. The disambiguation note at the top of the page explains the relation with the parent company and easily allows people to get to that article. older ≠ wiser 12:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with older-wiser.  There is no need for a disambiguation under the common name policy; that's the whole point of it.  Macy's the department store is the most common thing associated with the name "Macy's," therefore, the article with the title Macy's should cover the department store.  The common name policy says nothing about having to reflect a company's existing corporate hierarchy.  Anyway, the parent was previously called Federated Department Stores and it's now called Macy's Inc., so there is no need to disambiguate from that.  Disambiguation is necessary only when two things have the exact same name (byte-for-byte), but the parent itself was never' called just Macy's.  --Coolcaesar 05:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the hell was this moved? 

message: User:LTSLTS recently inserted an awful photo of the Macy's West flagship store in San Francisco.  The alleged subject of the image is mostly obscured by two palm trees, a crowd on the sidewalk, a cargo van, and a crowd of people.  Plus the subject was photographed from over a block away from an awful off-center angle.  Looks like LTSLTS flunked Photography 101 or was trying to shoot from a moving tour bus or cable car (never a good idea unless you really know what you're doing).  I agree that there should be a Macy's West photo in this article, which is why I am replacing User:LTSLTS's photo with my own, which was removed by some other user over a year ago.  
So I'm identifying two major issues here: (1) should there be a photo of the Macy's West store in this article at all, and (2) if so, whose photo.  If anyone wants to challenge me on this issue, I am happy to debate the matter (and to take it to ArbCom if necessary).  --Coolcaesar 09:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am challenging a recent edit by [[User:LTSLTS]] 

message: Maybe we can get a list of Macy's store brands? (i.e. I.N.C.)
I came on to look for men's brands.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.38.223.245 (talk) 12:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macy's Brands 

message: Remove the trivia and convert it to prose. --Rschen7754 (T C) 05:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: It should be known in the article that some Macy's stores are closing down in Indiana, Louisiana, three stores in Ohio, two in Texas and one in Utah. 75.16.158.120 (talk) 02:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Store Closings 

message: Macy's has starting using the red star as their logo, why is this vandalism and not a fact. If anything a portion of this article should recognize that a red star is used by our fellow socialist Wikipedians as their symbol, as well as the insightful Macy's corporate people.
Response:  The red Macy's star has been around since the 1850's when Roland Macy opened his first store in New York. Mr. Macy was a sea captain who became lost at sea and thought he was lost until a star appeared in the skies above him. He used that star to steer, and it guided him back to land. Once there, he had a star tatooed on his arm to keep that memory alive. He adopted the red star as a symbol for Macy's and it has been around ever since.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.23.85.90 (talk) 21:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute of deletion of comments regarding red star 

message: It seems the author(s) was not aware, or had forgotten, that for many years there was a Macy's store in downtown New Haven,CT.
Please make appropriate changes.
Thanks,
Mark
Nickatmartinis (talk) 21:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about New Haven, CT 

message: <SMALL>From 1988 to 1992, R. H. Macy & Co., Inc.'s Macy's South division was also headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia, with stores in Alabama, Georgia, Virginia, South Carolina, Florida, Louisiana and Texas operating as Macy's...</SMALL>
What stores were these? I had never known about any stores in VA before the conversion of hects in 2007. Perhaps there may have been a few that had spread from the DC area, but those wouldn't have been apart of Macy's South wuld they? (when the DC stores weren't). Macy's south was largely derived from Davison's (with the exception of the FL, LA, TX and probably AL stores), and those did not come into VA.Eric B (talk) 23:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Two stores were opened in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, DC in the late 1980s.  Originally developed by the New Jersey division, the stores (one in Pentagon City, one in Springfield) were opened and operated after the NY/NJ merger by Macy's East.    Mweisenfeld (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Virginia stores before May/Hects merger?

message: *Could someone create an article for the former President Herb Yalof? Thanks! Jccort (talk) 18:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for article

message: This line seems a little POV and factually incorrect: Each week protesters gather outside Marshall Field's landmark store at 111 North State Street to solicit support for Marshall Field's return and millions of once loyal shoppers are simply shopping elsewhere.
Thousands are shopping elsewhere? Sure. Millions? Nah. 66.243.23.37 (talk) 17:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicago/Field's controversy 

message: How about mentioning that Macy's is jc penney's biggest rivals  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.29.229 (talk) 23:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  add 

message: Shinsegae Centum City in Busan, South Korea is now registered as the world's largest department store in the Guinness World Records. http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/06/26/2009062600718.html --Intershark (talk) 02:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.  I have added this reference to the article to back up the now-historical claim that Macy's used to be the largest. Certes (talk) 18:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The world's largest store 

message: Is it just me or does the Environmental Record section smack of activism?
Now I'm not terribly familiar with the policies on Wikipedia, so it could be that that is just fine and dandy, but it seems undesirable to me. Or I could just be misreading it, I suppose.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.12.228.19 (talk) 23:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree It's an atrocity of editing. Thought about deleting it, because it is so blatantly blasé I like to saw logs! (talk) 04:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environmental Record 

message: They Should pout. They Should Put The Thingy They Sell.
66.131.190.6 (talk) 16:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi 

message: {Reply}
 I Do Agree With Cool Caesarr.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.190.6 (talk) 16:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Com This Was Moved 

message: "All store divisions nationwide were also served by two administrative divisions, prior to February 2009:
Macy's Corporate Marketing headquartered in New York, responsible for overall activity on initiatives implemented to support the company's focus on Marketing.
Macy's Merchandising Group, headquartered in New York, responsible for conceptualizing, designing, sourcing, and marketing private label and private branded goods sold at Macy's and managing core vendor relationships in the domestic branded market."
This is wrong as Macy's Corporate Marketing still operates under the name Macy's Marketing (name was changed after Feb. 2009) 
and Macy's Merchandising Group STILL IS OPERATING NO CHANGE THERE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.57.52 (talk) 22:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in Divisons 

message: Why do people keep trying to change this article to say that Macy's is upscale. Upscale? Ha! Maybe if you usually shop at Kmart. Macy's is the quintessential midrange American department store. Anyone who has a brain stem that is connected and has actually functioned at some point in society would know this, unless you're so poor that shopping at Macy's for $50 jeans is "treating yourself"... then maybe it would feel upscale to you. Macy's is in a unique position that they can attract both affluent customers and blue collar workers, but overall, the store is very middle class. I will admit that unlike most department stores, Macy's product assortments vary widely by store location, depending on whether it's a store in Fairfield County or in rural Nebraska. So certainly some Macy's are more "upscale" that others. But the whole chain described as upscale? Nordstrom is upscale. Bloomingdale's is upscale. Saks and Neiman's are so luxurious the word "upscale" is an understatement. It's laughable that in the opening of this article people are trying to say one of Macy's main competitors is Neiman Marcus. Hardly. People who routinely shop at Neiman Marcus probably rarely even set foot inside a Macy's. What's even funnier is on the Lord & Taylor page, someone keeps trying to change its description from "upscale" to midmarket. Macy's upscale and Lord & Taylor as midrange? Do you people editing Wikipedia even have any social IQ at all? In what possible world is Lord & Taylor "below" Macy's? Macy's is definitely above JCPenney, Sears, and Kohl's, but definitely below Neimans, Saks, Nordstrom, Bloomingdale's, Lord & Taylor, and Von Maur. The store that is most like Macy's is Dillard's, and based on their target customers and merchandise they carry, is Macy's biggest competitor. Anyone who disagrees clearly has no familiarity with product quality, brand recognitions, or the accepted social reputations of stores. Seriously. Next you're going to start telling me JCPenney is upscale.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aef711 (talk • contribs) 05:27, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macy's is NOT upscale 

message: I decided to place this in the Controversy section of the article. The reason being is simply due to the fact that this story has come under fire in both the LGBT community and the Christian community.
To make a long story short, this woman was fired to violating Macy's LGBT policy.
I've already placed the reference link in the article. 
--99.108.248.29 (talk) 07:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent firing of Natalie Johnson. 

message: The "Empire of Dreams" reference isn't linking correctly.  Instead of linking within Wikipedia to the novel, it links to a Star Wars movie.69.150.74.192 (talk) 14:08, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Empire of Dreams

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It states that the equivalent is 10 million so in what sense, for purchasing a large building, was 375k "incredible?" For example, even in the mid 19th century, steam ships were built for 100s of thousands of dollars. I think omitting the editorial comment is better, just leave the equivalent value.--Jrm2007 (talk) 00:16, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  375k an incredible sum at the time? 

message: Hi there! Hal Lawton is still listed as Macy's President under key people, but he stepped down in 2019 (reference here from cnbc https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/05/macys-president-hal-lawton-resigns-to-become-ceo-of-tractor-supply.html). In his place Jeff Gennette should be added. His title is Chairman and CEO (reference here from Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/16385812). Please note, I'd like to disclose that my place of work is connected with Macy's so wanted to discuss the changes here vs. making them myself.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeyard (talk • contribs) 22:44, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macy's Change in Leadership  

message: Hi there! Please see below for a few updates to Macy's history/subsidaries
* Subsidiaries should add: Macy’s Backstage and Market by Macy’s (references: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/794367/000119312515392007/d54408dex211.htm and https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/02/03/macys-dishes-details-on-new-type-of-store.htm)
* In the section 1800s… the fact notes that “from the beginning the logo included a star.” That is not accurate. The branding emblem at the onset of the 1858 store was a Rooster. The red star did not appear to replace it until 1862. This is outlined in the book "History of Macy's of New York 1858-1919". It was written by Ralph M. Hower and published by Harvard University Press, Cambridge (Mass.), 1967.
Please note, I'd like to disclose that my place of work is connected with Macy's so wanted to discuss the changes here vs. making them myself.Aeyard (talk) 22:58, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macy's History/Subsidiaries Edits  

message: Why are there only Macy’s in Middle and West Tennessee? 2600:1006:B1D2:978D:E049:A83:E67A:2CC5 (talk) 00:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macy’s in East Tennessee