Talk:Einojuhani Rautavaara

message: I have no particular knowledge on the matter, but it seems that the article contains multiple lists of Rautavaara's works and they have differring opinions on how many concerti, choral works etc. he wrote. Someone who knows where to check this up should set this straight.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.64.30.136 (talk) 21:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Discrepansy in the article

message: Playground for Angels was a work I heard played by the Philip Jones Brass Ensemble at the concert where Philip Jones retired in the late '80s(they later became London Brass). This is not listed here. I don't know the details of when it was written, though, although I believe it may have been commissioned for the PJBE at that time. It is recorded on Naxos. Does anyone else have more information that could be added? --Rich (talk) 02:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Playground for Angels''

message: [ˈɛi̯nɔjuhɑni ˈrɑu̯tɑvɑːrɑ] is not correct, there is no ɛi̯ in Finnish.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.182.44.44 (talk) 20:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA incorrect 

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 I can see that you feel passionately about this, and I am a great admirer of Rautavarra's work myself, too. However, I have never read an authority on Finnish music (or a major reference work) who claims that he is considered the greatest Finnish composer since Sibelius. If indeed the statement has any useful meaning at all (which I personally doubt) it needs to be qualified: some reviewers and fans might consider him thus, some would go for Kokonnen, Merikanto, Sallinen, Madetoja, Aho, and perhaps others. Some Finns indeed consider Rautavarra a "cult" composer of questionable value. I personally think it would be wise to go along with the more moderate evaluation of Suomi Wikipedia, which places him as a "universally acclaimed Finnish classical music composer." That seems to me judicious, and fair. Best wishes Zarzuelauk (talk) 12:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see I came across as little too combative and pointy. However, you came across as wishing to fix a weasel word by all means, rather than someone knowledgeable in the matter, so my reaction was too much knee-jerk than justified. I do not necessarily insist on "greatest after Sibelius" formulation, but then, I don't think it should be watered down too much. I provided no less than six sources that use a similar statement, and, granted, they are all obituaries that might err on the side of praise. What is pretty undisputable, I think, is that he was the Finnish composer who received the greatest international acclaim since Sibelius (I think a couple of sources used such wording, but I'm lazy to check back). Can we settle on something like that? As a modestly knowledgeable non-Finnish fan of modern classical music, I must admit I heard only of Kokonnen from your list above, if it's of any relevance. No such user (talk) 18:26, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: We can say anything, but I insist on sources. Here's a few: "Rautavaara deservedly is the first Finnish composer after Sibelius to make an international breakthrough", and "Rautavaara was internationally the most famous and performed Finnish composer of classical music after Jean Sibelius, and the most important composer of his generation in Finland." – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:35, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Of course, we all insist on sources. However, Zarzuelauk just removed three of the four , that said, respectively, ; , , . I understand this is all subjective assessment by the obituary authors, but I put it in the article because similar statements appeared in a vast range of sources – so it isn't that subjective after all.WP:OTHERSTUFF notwithstanding, Joonas Kokkonen says that , unsourced. (That whole article is virtually unsourced, btw.) No such user (talk) 06:52, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greatest Finnish composer since Sibelius? 

message: The main, first link (& citation) doesnt work (404).
InternetowyGołąb (talk) 17:38, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, fixed. No such user (talk) 08:20, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link