Talk:Music recording certification

message: The first RIAA gold album standard was for $1,000,000 worth of albums sold.  I would imagine that this is the first standard set in 1958.  At the time, most record sales were 45 RPM singles, which were often under fifty cents; 33 RPM albums were often $3.00 - $5.00 and generally sold well only if an artist and several songs on the album became fairly popular.Rlquall 13:16, 10 August 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be very difficult to get proper information regarding the first gold record awards and how the definition of such changed with time. Sources indicate defining a gold record as equaling one million dollars in sales, then a million copies, and then 500,000 copies. Of course, all of these could have been true, the definition evolving to its current one of 500,000 copies of a single or album according to the RIAA. There is an interview with Elvis Presley recorded on September 22, 1958, just as he was embarking for Germany with the US Army, issued as an EP in December 1958 back when anything Elvis would sell. He states to be in the possession of 25 gold record awards, and then says he has 25 million sellers, and two albums that have sold a million each. This appears contradictory, but may imply the gold record award was for singles only, or at least that being Presley's understanding. Whether it means a million copies or a million dollars at that time is another thing. This interview is available on the box set The King of Rock 'n' Roll: The Complete 50s Masters. PJtP (talk) 22:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early "Gold Album" Standard 

message: Single certification should be merged with this article, or this one with it.  Does anyone have any preference?  This is much more useful, as it offers more detailed information in place of a list of certified albums (something that should be in a separate article). --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 21:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: True enough, I wan't thinking clearly enough.  Yes, RIAA certification would be more appropriate. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 08:00, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Seems each should either resolve to itself, or each should resolve to an article that prominently features the others.  -:)Ozzyslovechild 01:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I propose merging Diamond album, which is much shorter, into Gold album, or moving them all into something like Album certification. Also, I propose removing the RIAA certification merge tag from this article, letting RIAA certification discuss album certification in the USA specifically, and having Gold album or Album certification be worldwide in scope. --Lph 18:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I totally agree and Gold, Diamond and Platinum must all be in one page.Vivek 11:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: How about Music recording sales certification? This list contains music videos, albums and singles. All the others would redirect there. --Canley 12:25, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to be bold and move the article. --Canley 12:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I'll be bold and remove the merge tag to RIAA certification. --Lph 18:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currently, Platinum resolves to Gold, but Diamond to itself. 

message: There is a precedent not mentioned here it seems.  the Spanish singer Rafael Martos Sánchez (Raphael) received a Uranium record from HISPAVOX for the selling of 50.000.000 copies of a compilation of his hits.  This entry on the Spanish Wiki http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_de_Uranio explains that in Spain 40.000 is for a gold record, 170,000 for a platinum (different from the table in this article) and that Raphael's uranium record equals 1.250 Gold records or 300 Platinum records.  Worth researching. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diabulos (talk • contribs) 21:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uranium record 

message: I added the IFPI Platinum Europe certification as a separate subject, as I didn't feel it really belonged in the table with the national certification limits. Ordinary Person 02:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IFPI Platinum Europe certification 

message: does anyone know if certifications exist in the balkan region, for bosnia croatia serbia slovenia, i know that edo maajka made gold albums because you can see it in one of his singles. So if anyone knows please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.148.164.155 (talk) 18:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balkan 

message: The RIAA certifies legal downloads as well. I have added the criteria for gold and platinom certification.
It would be great if someone can update the same for other countries as well
Will231982 16:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digital Downloads 

message: Who receives the awards?  Everyone who worked on the album?  Just the artist?  The Jade Knight 04:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recipients? 

message: Why is Uruguay listed as part of the USA? Jt_200075 23:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uruguay 

message: As I was reading through some news, according to Marci Stefan, spokeswoman for Warner Music Latina, Platinum in Mexico is awarded for 100,000 records sales.  Here's the link, though it is in Spanish, it might serve as a reference.  
http://www.azcentral.com/lavoz/ent/articles/1207platino-CR.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wr.jordan (talk • contribs) 17:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico's info might be wrong 

message: the Country/Certifier column is not properly aligned with the Classification column for some countries, like canada for example, which leads to confusion, perhaps every country row should be separated with a line, or at least someone should align the countries properly so no country name starts between two classification types (ie album, single, etc) 
edit:never mind someone did it as I was typing the text above
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.36.152.123 (talk) 00:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this is just a browser issue; I use Firefox, and it will randomly drop the borders from part or all of a table.  Not a code issue, just rendering.  Strange though. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 16:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  chart not properly aligned 

message: i found this surfing around on ifpi's web-page, it's to much for somebody as slow as me to handle please check and help out http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/certification-award-levels.pdf Jt_200075 — Preceding undated comment added 21:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs to be checked 

message: Someone needs to check the articles that redirect here, some of them may need to become disambig pages or redirect elsewhere. For example, gold disc and go gold redirect here, while I think it would be more suitable to redirect to software release life cycle (as in the "gold disc" manufacturing state, aka to "go gold"). ♠ SG →Talk 17:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many redirects 

message: Somewhere in here it should mention what the riaa is.99.224.132.115 (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It already links to RIAA certification, so that should be good enough.  No reason to explicitly explain RIAA when the article is of an international scale. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 00:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  RIAA 

message: I recently removed the long list of certification requirements and replaced it with a link to List of music recording sales certifications.  However, to assure all the hard work that's been put into the list on this page isn't lost forever, I figured it would be a good idea to copy+past the previous table here, if only for archival purposes. Drewcifer (talk) 19:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of certifications 

message: This article seems to contradict itself on whether certification awards are based on units sold or shipped.  Granted, it also looks like some of the sources do the same.  Does anyone know which is correct?  I've just realized that there's been alot of work on music-articles and discographies that may have been done on a false assumption, in part due to the unclear nature of this article.  Is there anyone that knows which it is? Drewcifer (talk) 19:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in your boat. Realized this a while back and I think I did bring it up somewhere - don't remember. This needs to be sorted, the fact that the lead states "shipped" (which would be one's assumption to the figures behind certifications) but the rest of the article seems to assert "sales" (presumption would be that this means overall in-store sales), needs to be fixed. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 07:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

text: This blog by the RIAA should shed light on the issue. Definitely appears to be SHIPMENTS, not sales. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 08:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Based on units SOLD or SHIPPED? 

message: I put the boilerplate on the article because, although, clearly the US plays an important role in the history of certification, the text doesn't make it clear that it is talking only about US sales, dates etc. So, the first gold record (in the world) may have been Perry Como or whoever, but things like inclusion of digital downloads, streaming etc. happened at different times in different countries and this isn't made clear. Btljs (talk) 08:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: US Centric

message: Are all those hatnotes really necessary? I've never seen so many on one page.  Is this an encyclopedia article or a directory? Lizard (talk) 06:38, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that's much better. Lizard (talk) 23:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holy hatnotes! 

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message: That's why I came to this page, and the word "plastic" isn't here at all!
If you think "it's obvious that it's not gold" ask yourself what priors are you assuming? I say you're saying it's obvious only post-hoc. How the hell do I know how much gold is worth? A lot, sure. Maybe those things are worth a lot. 
Even if you still think I'm being dumb, the object has the name of a material in its name, and it'd only take a sentence or two some where prominent to fix this. CrickedBack (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  There absolutely needs to be a section that they're not made of gold, but plastic.  

message: The RIAA didn't introduce Platinum albums.
In 1968 Cream's "Wheels of Fire" sold double the $1,000,000 at wholesale level needed for an RIAA Gold Album award. Atlantic Records awarded them the first Platinum Record Award. In 1969 Atlantic awarded four more $2,000,000 Platinum Records, to Iron Butterfly for "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vuda", to The Rascals for "Time Peace:The Rascals Greatest Hits", and Led Zeppelin were awarded two Platinum Records, for "Led Zeppelin" and "Led Zeppelin II".
Over the next year other Atlantic records that received Platinum Records were, but not limited to, "Deja Vu" by Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, "Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs" by Derek and the Dominos, and of course "Led Zeppelin III".
Stax Records also started awarding Platinum Records for $2,000,000 in wholesale album sales in 1970. Most famously Isaac Hayes received four consecutive Platinum Record awards for "Hot Buttered Soul", "The Isaac Hayes Movement", "To Be Continued" and "Shaft".
Uni also started awarding $2,000,000 Platinum Records. Such as the one for Elton John's self-titled album.
However, a rival certification level was set. In 1971 Columbia awarded Platinum Records to Tammy Wynette and Lynn Anderson for "Tammy's Greatest Hits" and "Rose Garden" respectively. In each case the Award was for one million units. Soon, other labels, including Uni and Atlantic, were awarding Platinum Records for one million units sold. By the end of 1972 one million units, not $2,000,000 was the industry standard. 
In 1976 the RIAA introduced their own Platinum Record awards. But by then there must have been hundreds of Platinum Records awarded. 197.87.143.177 (talk) 15:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Platinum