Talk:The Rockettes

message: Is the picture here really appropriate? Notice the left (his left) arm of the sailor on the left (our left).  It's pretty clear that he is feeling the behind of that rockette.  Maybe it should be removed? KingOfAfrica 02:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appropriateness of Picture 

message: Why is this article in the past tense? The Rockettes are still very much around in the present.
:It isn't past tense except where it has to be...  Trekphiler 07:22, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I originally made the comment about past tense when I was a "newbie" and didn't know about signing one's comments. I disagree, however, that the usage of past tense is "where it has to be." The sentence beginning, The Rockettes performed annually at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, for example, is in the past tense and there is no reason it should be. When I have a minute and am not so tired, I'll do a quick copy edit. David Hoag 03:02, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past Tense 

message: This was removed as a biased statement, but now that I really consider it, I don't think it is one.  Can amyone name a precision dance company that's even one-tenth as known in the world today?--Pharos 14:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Without a randomized survey which representatively samples people from around the World, no one can say exactly how well-known this or any other dance company is. Even mining data on ticket sales and attendance won't reveal how well-known they are in general worldwide.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.223.130.32 (talk) 01:29, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I figure the statement is true but not provable, important, or necessary. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:37, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Best-known precision dance company in the world" 

message: Can somebody confirm the min height req? I've seen 5'5.5" someplace....  Trekphiler 05:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reaching new heights? 

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thread_title: Current and Former Rockettes

message: The Rockettes women have performed 5 shows a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year for more than 75 years.
I don't feel this is accurate. Several sources including this one from the NY Times state that although they have year-long health benefits, they only work steadily during the holidays.
If I am wrong please correct me.
"This is high season for the Rockettes, three solid months of steady work, solid pay, grateful audiences and all the excitement of dancing in New York with a world-famous company. But it's also a time of gruelingly hard work, of seven dance numbers and six costume changes per show, as many as five shows in a 13-hour day, and as many as six days of work a week."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/arts/dance/20domi.html
Random mom (talk) 18:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not every worker works every shift every day; same as any other high-demand job. --Orange Mike  |  Talk 17:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also imagine that when they're not busy performing and rehearsing, they are busy training, doing choreography, and other related activities. Jedikaiti (talk) 18:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rockettes work year 

message: This image here which was removed by  is a composite of two approved images, namely this one (public domain) and this one (ccsa2.0). The image stays.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:50, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image removal 

message: I'm not sure the Trump inauguration performance has long term notability regarding the Rockettes' entire history. They have been around for almost a century, and yet I find it hard to believe that this is the most important thing they have ever done—which is implied by the statement's position in the lead. epicgenius (talk) 17:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The Rockettes have been a New York tradition for years, and sometimes earned local attention, but their decision to dance and sing at the Trump inauguration brought them huge national attention, not only with the controversy with several Rockettes boycotting the performance, but the fact that most other musical groups said no. Performing for a president is huge news. ′Given the extensive and well-sourced treatment in the controversies section, a simple sentence in the lede paragraph is warranted.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:43, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the explanation, but I'm still not sure if the controversy itself passes the ten-year test. I boldly removed the content from Radio City Music Hall's article because it was only tangentially related because of the Rockettes, and also because of this doubt I still have. I agree that performing for the president's inauguration is very notable, especially if the president is controversial, but the Rockettes have been around for much longer than that, hence my doubts. epicgenius (talk) 20:31, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes thank you for your explanation. Remember that the ten-year test is not official policy, but even if it was, I think their performance for Trump, a controversial president, will still be relevant 10 years from now. How many other presidents have they performed for? I don't see any other such performances; their performance for Trump was a first. That Trump has been accused repeatedly of being a sexual predator, and here the Rockettes are putting on a Christmas show for children and young families -- in effect honoring a man who says "grabs 'em by the pussy" -- can you see how their performance attracted national attention? And really hit a nerve? And why the Rockettes publicity people are trying very hard to downplay their choice? The line in the lede is ONLY one non-POV-ish statement that they performed at the inauguration, and doesn't even hint at the huge controversy section below. Plus the lede has lots of other spammy un-referenced stuff like what was just added so it sure looks like this article is turning into a puff piece.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:17, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I see, thanks. I could understand how few groups would actually have the privilege to perform for any president, much less a controversial one. However, regarding the lead, it's okay to not have references if all the lead information is also referenced in the body. I do agree that this article needs a lot of work to even get to that non-biased state. epicgenius (talk) 21:33, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trump inauguration in lead? 

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message: Just a reminder to people that Wikipedia is not a publicity outlet.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 05:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced additions 

message: It is one thing to shorten and condense information, keeping the gist of what happened, after the passage of time, but another to remove references, cutting three of them, which can gut an article. I support condensing information but please keep the references.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of references 

message: User:Tomwsulcer has added content which disrupts the WP:BALANCE of this article.  Three out of 13 Rockettes chose not to perform for Trump (which means 10 out of 13 did perform).  This fact has been elevated to a "controversy", and the lurid details of why those three chose not to perform for "this monster" have been included.  The sources have been cherrypicked, and the tone and content violate WP:IMPARTIAL and WP:WEIGHT.  User:Tomwsulcer has also forbidden other editors from removing their sources.  The RfC above agreed that this should be included in the article, but did not specify how it should be included.  The reasoned input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonsense. The article is balanced, well-sourced, with reliable sources. The RfC was about what should be included in the lede paragraph. That the Rockettes performed for Trump's inauguration was controversial in itself, and reasons why some Rockettes chose to perform and others didn't, are included for balance. User:Magnolia677  removed three reliable sources and chopped out much information; I do think it could be edited down a bit, but I object to the removal of sources.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:33, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  What if the unencyclopedic bits of the section are "edited down a bit", and one of the sources no longer supports any of the content? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You need help with editing?--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:59, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was a rhetorical question.  Let me try again.  If you asked your barber to trim your salt-and-pepper hair, but said, "and just cut the greys", your barber would think you're a fool because both the grey and non-grey get cut.  The same is true with trimming an article; both the text and the sources which support the text (which is no longer there) get cut.  So when you agree the section can be "edited down a bit", but don't feel comfortable removing any of the sources, it seems kind of...awkward.  Get it? Magnolia677 (talk) 23:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that the salty hairs are on the chin, and the pepper hairs are under the nose. Trim the salty, keep the pepper.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  So you agree the section can be trimmed, but all of the sources--even those that no longer support any text--need to remain.  Is this correct? Magnolia677 (talk) 08:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep the gist; shorten; keep the references.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:44, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trump "the monster" 

message: I’m curious as to why there is a height restriction for becoming a Rockette? Why aren’t shorter dancers with the same talent able to audition? I’m 5’3 and have all of the same other qualifications dance wise. 68.231.23.156 (talk) 04:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height restriction 

message: The article links the wrong Super Bowl halftime show.  97.119.167.88 (talk) 02:56, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. I've fixed it. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:38, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Bowl halftime show