Talk:Oi!

message: What the hell happened to this article? Why was it deleted? How can it be restored? Spylab 12:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very simple. Look at this. Someone vandalized the article. Someone came by, saw it and put the speedy deletion tag on. As you can see by the deletion log, the admin who deleted it saw his error and undeleted the page. Daniel.Bryant then restored all of the revisions. So. Just an honest mistake. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 13:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why was this article deleted?

message: There needs to be an explanation of this. --Liface 21:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen numerous Americans trying to "explain" Oi as being Swedish for "hello", so "Oi music means hello", or something. They're just trying to make themselves sound more cultured than they are. For a start Oi started in England, not Sweden, and "Oi!" in England isn't really even a word, it's more of a sound to get peoples attention. Because of this it doesn't "mean" anything, and when people ask what Oi "means" some people seem to insist on making up some crap rather than just saying it doesn't mean anything.86.164.113.83 (talk) 10:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Many original skins say it came from East End skins (where most of the early Oi! skins originated) getting their bespoke clothing tailored at East End Jewish tailors. Street punk music is a cry of exasperation as in "Oy" which the East End skins picked up from the Yiddische shops. It makes perfect sense ( See: http://www.jewisheastend.com/ and: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oy_vey ), but perhaps someone can get a cite-able wiki-use-able source?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.136.52 (talk) 07:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Given that this unsubstantiated connection to "Oy vey" has had seven years without a reasonable connection or citation to Oi! music, and given this is more a topic for the history of the phrase Oi! , I am removing this on the grounds of original research.137.99.96.125 (talk) 20:47, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Where does the word "Oi" come from?

message: This is directed to the anonymous editor who made incorrect statements about Combat 84 in edit notes. They were an Oi! band, not a Rock Against Communism band. RAC was a separate scene that specifically stood for white power, not just anti-communism. The only member of Combat 84 who was involved with the far right was the singer, Chubby Chris. The other members were not into racist politics, and none of the band's lyrics were racist.Spylab 17:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um I just came across this while browsing the web, just to let you know they released an entire album titled "Better Dead Than Red." But not a song.....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.240.26.254 (talk) 21:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Better Dead Than Red", whether it is a song or any album or not, it IS a lyric from Right to Choose, which is specifically referring to the CND and the right for Britain to have nuclear arms during the Cold War against Communist Russia / Eastern Block. It has NOTHING at all to do racism. "Red" refers to communists, not to people with red skin color or anything similar. Secondly, not every band who has a statement against communism is "RAC". RAC is a specific style, which actually doesn't usually sound much like Oi. By this rationale, the Beatles are RAC for singing  “If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao / You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow” in the song "Revolution"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.136.52 (talk) 07:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Facts about Combat 84

message: I disagree with this choice/suggestion. I think Streetpunk is more modern, more oriented around being poor and things that come of such (dumpster diving, squatting, etc.) and less oriented around skinhead fashion. The term Oi! has more of an old school feeling to it. I say that the notice should be taken down.
I agree with the anonymous user above.  Oi seems to be an entirely different genre.  Related, but different.  Some brash punk expert could do it but I don't feel particularly expert on this subject. User:Pedant 08:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: It has been suggested that this article or section NOT be merged with Streetpunk

message: This sentence:
"The first incarnation of Skrewdriver, which began in 1976, is often described as Oi!, although the band never participated in the official Oi! scene."
is rather humourous.  What could possible be considered an "official" scene?  Who decides what is official and what isn't?  I just removed the word "official" because it didn't really add anything, but someone else who knows more about the genre might be able to rewrite it.Skalchemist 20:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Official" scene?

message: There is evidence to back up the other dudes statement about Oi! being a cockney expression . Search list of words commonly used in england , and that word will appear under O . As well as other cockney expressions featured in O! songs such as Argy Bargy ( You know the cock sparrer song ) That infact is a British term meaning sort of in a way " playfull fighting " Or fighting in the intention of not really hurting the person . --ryusho2 18:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  For liface 

message: I tried to include the fact that in the song "Career Opportunities" by The Clash was the first time the slang "Oi!" was used on a Punk recording. 
This is not insignificant, considering that the Sham 69 were perhaps most heavily influenced by the Clash than any other of the first wave of Punk bands of 76/77 and that Jimmy Pursey was the one who discovered the Cockney Rejects. 
Indeed! The choir after the second strophe before and between "Bus driver... ambulance man..." Strummer where yelling "Oi! Oi! Oi!". And we have to recall that the Clash together with Stiff Little Fingers were influential as the first bands with real politics in their lyrics and a closer connection to the working class and the left wing. Runlevel0 18:29, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Usage of the Expression "Oi!" in a Punk Song 

message: The Blood - Not well known
The Burial - Not well known
The Bruisers - American imitators 10 years too late, not Oi!
Dropkick Murphys (early days) - ditto but more like 20 years
The Exploited (early days) - Were not Oi!
The Oppressed - Not well known
Oi Polloi (early days) - 99% of their output is anarcho
Oxymoron - German imitators 15 years too late, not Oi!
The Templars - American imitators 15 years too late, not Oi!
U.S. Chaos - American, not Oi!
The Wretched Ones  - American, 15 years too late, not Oi! Stutley (talk) 10:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Such as?Stutley (talk) 14:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I question your definition of notable and I question your definition of Oi!Stutley (talk) 15:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Interesting reading, couldn't find any references to American or other foreign Oi! in the article. Stutley (talk) 22:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable and Oi!?

message: *The Blood - appear in most histories of Oi!, appeared on at least one original Oi! complilation album, and have appeared in most retrospective Oi! compilations, were managed by Garry Bushell.
*The Burial - They were an Oi! band, and notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article, and are mentioned in Garry Bushell's history of Oi! That meets Wikipedia notability guidelines.
*The Bruisers - American Oi! 10 years on is still Oi!
*Dropkick Murphys (early days) - American Oi! 20 years on is still Oi! They helped introduce Oi! to a new generation.
*The Exploited (early days) - Were Oi! in the beginning, and had two songs on the first Oi! compilation record, Oi! The Album.
*The Oppressed - well-known in second wave of Oi!, singer ran the record label Oi! Records and brought Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice to the UK.
*Oi Polloi (early days) - doesn't matter where they ended up; they started out playing Oi!
*Oxymoron (band) - German  Oi! 15 years on is still Oi!
*The Templars - American Oi! 15 years on is still Oi!
*U.S. Chaos - American Oi!/streetpunk is still Oi!/streetpunk. Apparently they were one of the first American bands to play in the Oi! style.
Any more questions?Spylab (talk) 15:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I question your definition of notable and I question your definition of Oi!Stutley (talk) 15:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting reading, couldn't find any references to American or other foreign Oi! in the article. Stutley (talk) 22:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Here we go

message: Why does 'Oi!' consistently show up with a capital O and an exclamation point throughout this article? It doesn't seem like it should be a proper noun, any more than 'punk' and 'rock' are. 71.90.130.7 (talk) 05:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Official" according to whom? Garry Bushell? (AFAIK there is no standards-setting body for "official" names of musical genres...) 71.90.130.7 (talk) 03:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization and exclamation point 

message: The article attempts to differentiate Oi! from American Hardcore by stating, " Although similar in spirit and influence to Oi! (particularly in the earlier stages), hardcore expounded itself in an American middle class (rather than working class) fashion as its influences spread."  From personal experience I don't believe this to be the case, though can't really cite myself on that.  Where does this idea come from, particularly for the east coast bands listed?  I recommend removing the line. 128.30.30.25 (talk) 14:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Is American Hardcore a middle class phenomenon?

message: This section is so based on deflecting politics that it does not actually discuss how some of the bands were too the right. It instead only focuses on dismissing the assertion. Maybe a little more space on why some bands in the genre are considered right is appropriate. This is a neutrality issue. Even worse, the reader is left scratching their head.Cptnono (talk) 07:18, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Association with far extremist politics

message: Since someone asked: 'Erberts (with a proper dropped H) were just "The Kids", as in people wouldn't obviously mistake them for a punk, skin, or anything else of note by their dress. A Cockneyish expression probably around for ages and traditionally used as in: "C'mere and say that and I'll box* your ears, you spotty little 'erbert" etc. *or possibly nail them to the wainscotting if a Piranha Brother. 92.41.200.182 (talk) 04:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Erberts

message: Why are the Rolling Stones cited as an influence? Neither Oi! nor Punk has nothing to do with the Stones, there neither where Rythm&Blues nor country or beat influences in Oi! or Punk in general and there was an concious and very open antagonism not only to the Rolling Stones and everything they represented. If we have to accept the Rolling Stones as an influence in Oi! we could as well include Richard Wagner and the Penguin Cafe Orchestra. Runlevel0 18:53, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

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message: Oi! bands from other countries need to be mentioned. Europe of course. And Australia had and has again a thriving skinhead culture. Oz city centers were filled with skins and rude boys and girls all through 80s and early 90s. Skamay (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oi! bands from other countries 

message: Mention should be made of Oi! Poetry. It is a particular style of strongly spoken, carefully metered and ryhmed poetry with strong impact. Esp as the lyrics are so clear. They strongly argue for the values of Oi! I have some on my link records Lps I will look them up but others may have information too which could be added. Maybe with a small quote of a good bit. There's one about who going to protect the company boss on his way home.... Skamay (talk) 18:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oi! Poetry