Talk:Alternative culture

message: This looks like it was written by a 16 year old. Makes me wonder if this same article written in the '60's would talk about Elvis and "Rock 'n Roll" as an alternative for that era, whereas now he is certainly not considered alternative . Perhaps the "series of articles"  mentioned by LGagnon would best be filed under "Youth/Teen Culture Trends of the 1990s."  or something. MPS 21:35, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Teen Culture 

message: Ive just looked at this page and decided that the best thing to do would probably be to scrap it altogether. However, I still think that an article about the concept of an alternative culture is an interesting one but it is simply too difficult to write an article that, in combination, pleases everyone and isnt just a list of the tired cliches that were bought into existence by the mainstream media.
I think it would be better to expand on the alternative music article by writing new articles about some of the concepts of the music itself as the alternative culture article is almost entirely based on the music side of things anyway. By this I mean that we could expand the selling out page, expand the page about DIY punk ethic and write new pages about other concepts, areas and ideas that are commonly associated with alternative music. Thanx.Motown Junkie 14:25, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Music alone does not a culture make, and I agree with Motown Junkie that the existing article is perhaps too limited to the culture's music and musicians.  If the article is going to be scrapped and rewritten or refocused as has been suggested, let's broaden the scope beyond music, to identify and explore other facets, e.g., the social and political aspects of alternative culture.  That said, I do agree that the music is a major factor in how people self-identify and align themselves with the culture, as well as probably the primary vehicle through which the political and social aspects get expressed and become visible to the larger population outside the culture.  But that's all very POV and based on my own interpretations. Mark Dixon 14:48, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Idea for an alternative

message: Is there some reason for the absurd amount of scare quotes in this article? Does it have something to do with NPOV? Ecto 01:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scare quotes 

message: I know little about Alternative Culture, in fact I'm trying to find something new(to me), exciting and different from the 'American Mainstream Consumerism Millennial' BS... And so I came here.
First Off:
"all alternative cultures follow a similar process of origination, development, and decline. Alternative cultures also share several common values"...
Great topic sentence. The following section starts to detail this, gets distracted and eventually tails off. In fact, in 3 paragraphs it roughly follows that exact pattern... It would be of value if someone completed this thought with clarity and citations.
Second: 
"The current state of alternative culture"
So to paraphrase: 'Alternative culture once existed in NYC and Manchester, (neither of which is a capital city), possibly fueled by high poverty rates. More recently and in the vein of "Video killed the radio star", technology, consumerism and the rising American obesity rate have nailed the coffin shut on Alternative Culture. We're not sure if alternatives culture ever existed, we certainly can't define it, and wouldn't know where to look if we wanted to find it today. But it's probably dead anyways...'
Flaw 1: The article nearly implies nothing of cultural significance has happened in the last 10 years, but fails to make a definitive statement about anything. This section in particular says nothing relevant about the "current state of alternative culture'.
flaw 2: Much of alternative-culture did NOT originate in the United States, however the listed causes for decline are all decidedly American. 
My Conclusion:
Any one I've ever known who was exploring alternative culture, held tightly to the mantras "If you stand for everything, you stand for nothing", and "if you stand for nothing you will fall for anything".
Ironically, this article tries to be vague enough to appease everyone, and doesn't have the balls to stand up and definitively say anything. It is empty and hollow, just like today's mainstream American culture...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.20.154.192 (talk) 23:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vague, Empty, and incomplete!