Talk:Sainte-Chapelle

message: No wish to stir up old edit-wars but just for the record, one should always write the name with the definite article as "the Sainte Chapelle" (abbrev. to "the Ste. Chapelle" when relevant). As Metinara explained, the word Sainte is here standing not as part of the name of a saint but as an adjective to distinguish which chapel is being discussed, much like the word "pacific" in "the Pacific Ocean". It is for precisely this reason that the definite article should always be used. (My first year undergraduates often forget this but they might learn it sooner if it were correct on Wikipedia!) Please also note that the definite article here should not be capitalised unless at the start of a sentence, any more than one would capitalise it in "the Cathedral of Notre Dame".
Since other people have done so much work on this article already I don't feel comfortable just wading in and changing the title but I thought I ought to mention it anyway in case one of the original authors felt like taking up the gauntlet.
Personally I don't have a strong view on the hyphen issue but it may be worth mentioning that if you do a search on JSTOR on any of the Art Historical abstracts databases, the vast majority of published articles and books do include the hyphen, both in English and in French and in relation to both the Paris chapel and its imitators! The ULAN includes the hyphen too. In other words, it may or may not be strictly correct in gramatical terms but the hyphenated form is standard usage amongst art historians specialising in this field (even if more generalist historians differ).
Just to muddy the waters even further though, I was thinking of adding some material on the various other "Saintes-Chapelles" - the ones built by the Valois dukes at Riom, Bourges, Anjou, etc in emulation of Louis' and which, in most cases, inherited relics from the original. My question is, should this material be added to this page or in a new article, or series of articles (and if so, how should they be linked?) Any thoughts much appreciated. StuartLondon
:Perhaps you'd better pass this info on to the official website, which uses  "Sainte-Chapelle" in French and English. Other articles should be in the form Sainte-Chapelle (Bourges) imo. Johnbod (talk) 14:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed they do, though only for the caption, which I think owes more to CMN's house style (chosen by their designers, not their art historians!). In fact they never use articles, definite or otherwise, for monument names in section captions of the index. Throughout the text however and in all their publications (as also with Editions Patrimoine and INHA publications), it's The/La Sainte-Chapelle. Thanks for your suggestion re the other S-C's. May have to wait until after the summer conference season but will have a crack at it in sept if not before. StuartLondon (talk) 16:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: When you see The in a Wikipedia article name, it will surely be a title, viz The Tempest. Correct style, requested by both the institutions in question, are The New York Times and The Metropolitan Museum of Art, but Wikipedia articles are nevertheless New York Times and Metropolitan Museum of Art. For one thing, these are more helpful when searching titles for content, using the search feature.--Wetman (talk) 20:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha - that explains it then. My mistake. Thanks Wetman for the clear and logical explanation. StuartLondon (talk) 07:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Definite Article

message: The article mentions that this is a national landmark, but is this owned by the state or is it owned by the archdiocese?  Is it an active church?  I've actually been there, but never thought to ask the question. --Criticalthinker (talk) 04:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Today 

message: The Crown of Thorns article says the Louis IX relic is in Notre Dame de Paris. This article says its in Sainte-Chapelle, though. Which is it? --RThompson82 (talk) 01:59, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in the SC until the Revolution. What is left of it today is in ND, in a new reliquary case. The last para of the relics section here explains this very clearly. Johnbod (talk) 04:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crown of Thorns -- Sainte-Chapelle or Notre Dame? 

message: :Some things just grow by incremental edits. The "External links" section, one of the optional appendices, had grown to six entries. Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four links. 
:The problem is that none is needed for article promotion. 
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:Moved excessive "External links" here for possible discussion. 
* Information of the windows of St. James Chapel, replica of the Sainte Chapelle
* List of the relics bought by Louis IX
* Visit the Sainte Chapelle in 360° Photosphere  -- Otr500 (talk) 04:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: External links