Talk:Video game

message: Is "computer game" really synonymous with "video game" as these two words are treated in this article? I ask because according to the first sentence in the lead section of the article "PC game", "computer game" is a synonym for this word.-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 19:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As this article states "Computer game" may also be used to describe video games because all video games essentially require a computer processor, though the term typically is reserved for games played primarily on personal computers." - We're not saying that computer game is fully synonymous with "video game", just that it may be used in some cases. --Masem (t) 19:56, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That statement is North American-centric; in other English-speaking parts of the world, "computer game" usually means any kind of video game. Popcornfud (talk) 20:19, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: However, do we have a source for that? I can sorta believe it in the countries where personal computing was more popular than consoles like UK/EU, but we would need a source to discuss that distinction --Masem (t) 23:55, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ,  I'm telling you, it's true! But yes, obviously we'll need a source to add it. It's kind of an annoying bias in the article I'd like to fix. Popcornfud (talk) 08:33, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I found some sourcing that gives reason that "computer game" may be used interchangeably with "video game" in some places. --Masem (t) 16:00, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I can provide plenty of examples of UK RSes using the terms interchangeably, but for this article we really need a RS explaining that the terms are used interchangeably. Popcornfud (talk) 16:33, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The source I found is from a Wolf/Perron book , so that should be fine. --Masem (t) 16:47, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I didn't see you'd updated the article. Thanks for that. Popcornfud (talk) 17:49, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Computer game" synonym for "video game"? 

message: Taken to talk after consensus was requested. :File:Pong (28684491143).jpg is an evocative photo, but an idiosyncratic one. Videogames are very rarely played on 10" high television sets with dinner plate sized controller wheels. I replaced it with :File:American Truck Simulator at Gamescom 2015 (20429525295).jpg as being a photo of a game on a regular-sized screen, but this apparently might have copyright issues. What would be a better photo? Pong on a regular television set, such as :File:Pong game on TV.jpg? --Lord Belbury (talk) 10:01, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that an image of Pong being played on a TV 10x the normal size of most TV's isn't a very good representation, however the issue with the image you uploaded is the depiction of American Truck Simulator, which is a copyrighted game made by SCS Software. The thing that confuses me is the image is licenses under CC-SA-2.0 (Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alive 2.0 Generic) so it should be fine to use? ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:41, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because the Flickr user tagged it that doesn't mean the image is free of copyright, as that user cannot claim copyright on ATS software. That user released their photo as CC but the replication of the ATS screen is a derivative work, so it still has copyright ties to ATS. --Masem (t) 14:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah ok. That makes sense. I had a feeling that was the reason. The copyright on the image threw me off though. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:57, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

text: Hi there, I know this the lead image was previously discussed (here) after it was changed to an image of freedoom and changed back to the Pong one. I somewhat understand your point as perhaps Pong image could an example of one for suited for Early history of video games/Early history of video games but at the same time it does demonstrate an iconic, well-known, established video game with players playing one (though I understand the controllers/setup are slightly unusual). I am not sure :File:Pong game on TV.jpg is an improvement as it does not actually show any player(s) actually playing it. If the 'ideal image' was a player playing a 'regular game' on a 'regular setup' (like your suggested one at desk with a monitor, or alternatively on a sofa with a large television) it is difficult as the screenshot gameplay image are usually always copyrighted (except for those few games that freely licensed, like 0 A.D. (video game), which is how we are able to have an extended gameplay video on Let's Play). Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 14:53, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:People_playing_video_games has a lot of photos with screens kind-of visible, but I don't know how many have actually been checked and considered de minimis. How about :File:Universum TV Multispiel 2006.jpg, though? Pong on a sofa, from a different museum. --Lord Belbury (talk) 18:23, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

text: The problem is that almost any nominal concept of a video game today is going to have copyrighted screen elements. The Pong graphics are simple enough to not qualify, and while being played on an oversized screen is atypical, we're also showing pretty much the first commercial successful video game, and that it is a specialty museum display. I don't think there's any issue with it. --Masem (t) 14:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

text: I do agree that a more "typical" video game image would be a better lead image if it were possible to get round the copyright issues. Popcornfud (talk) 15:02, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

text: With no objections raised, I've replaced the giant pong screen with this museum photo. --Lord Belbury (talk) 11:51, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Pong image 

message: In the 4th paragraph, this sentence appears:
"In the 2000s, the core industry centered on "AAA" games, leaving little room for riskier, experimental games."
This is an opinion that should either be removed, or reworded and given citations as to who believes AAA gaming prevents riskier, experimental games.
MisterDogHeart (talk) 10:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sourced in intro of the "History" section. --Masem (t) 15:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe both places need a rewording, then. Right now both in the history section and at the top, the claim is made as if it is an objective fact and not the opinion held by video game historians, breaking the neutral point of view guideline. MisterDogHeart (talk) 13:32, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Needed on AAA Gaming leading to lower creativity in Opening paragraphs 

message: Please remove the mention of chess from the lead; chess itself is not a computer game, and every computer-based iteration I’m aware of can’t be played without a video display. Maybe it’s referring to early text-based chess games?, but at best the claim needs clarification. 151.132.206.250 (talk) 19:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Many early chess programs, dating back to the 50s, were text only. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:26, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Can that be clarified in the text rather than broadly referring to all chess games? Text adventures are by definition text-based; chess games are not. —151.132.206.250 (talk) 18:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. I think it's pretty clear that chess computer games are being discussed based on the prose.  It's clearly speaking of computer game versions of chess. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:54, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Then can we change it to read that they may not depend on a graphics display? Because the majority that are played today certainly do, despite our categorically saying they do not. —151.132.206.250 (talk) 16:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I made it, first, computer chess which covers hardware versions. And added a may in there tl be clear that a display may not always be required. --Masem (t) 16:56, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Clears up any possible confusion that we’re saying something unfactual. —151.132.206.250 (talk) 18:13, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2022 

message: Does anyone have a problem with me adding Women and video games to the see also section? I know it says to add any related links to Outline of video games, and I have done so. However, women and video games seems like a very closely related page to this Wikipedia page and is not currently linked anywhere on the page. Who says we can have Lists of video games and List of accessories to video games by system linked in this see also section but no others? I understand there is probably a desire not to let the see also section become overloaded but I see no consensus for these two links or limiting the section to only these two, so I ask if we can please make an exception to also allow the inclusion of this one link. Helper201 (talk) 04:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's too specific of a link. That page is linked through video game culture though. --Masem (t) 03:46, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: See also section

message: The Terminology section claims that all video games require a computer, which I find misleading, since some early games such as Pong or (despite it's name) Computer Space did not use any kind of computer or processor. --217.149.173.6 (talk) 11:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There was some type of fundamental computer circuit that meets the definition of a computing device. They may not be what today we think of as computers, but they would fit the definition of what computers were back then. --Masem (t) 12:27, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology 

message: — Assignment last updated by OneGoodNut (talk) 00:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - SU22 - Sect 202 - Tue

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message: Change the tense of 'involves' in "Video games,[a] also known as computer games, are electronic games that involves interaction" to 'involve' for subject-verb agreement. Andrewdimola (talk) 04:09, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Highway 89 (talk) 04:22, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2022 

message: change http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/220936/spacechem-used-as-educational-tool-in-schools/ to https://animeallstories.blogspot.com/2023/05/the-original.html Adarsh0209 (talk) 04:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Archived source is infinitely better than a blog, which is not WP:RS Cannolis (talk) 05:13, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2023 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Technology and Culture

message: At the bottom this says its an American invention, but reading this and Early history of video games it seems like it could be an American or British or Canadian invention depending on what you call a video game or what you call an invention. It should be changed to say this instead of just saying its an American invention. 2A02:C7C:6424:5500:599E:DE08:3FED:1914 (talk) 14:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: removed the non defining category. M.Bitton (talk) 15:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2024