Talk:Maurice Allais

message: Hi, I reverted the work of 67.170.224.36 which appears to be either an attempt at original research or a personal rant.  Regardless, it is not NPOV and doesn't belong in the quotes section.  I hope the author of this material will take the time to include it in the article more professionally. Coleca 08:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV Material

message: Maurice Allais cannot be considered a physicist even though he made some claims related to physics. He has no peer-reviewed publications in this field and his claims are highly controversial at best. This is not enough by any standard to claim oneself a physicist the same way as no well known physicist expressing opinions on economics could be considered an economist. LeYaYa 13:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He has a general science degree and the NASA calls him a physicist; apparently he does have peer-reviewed publications in phyiscs - http://www.comptesrendus.org/phy/index.php . Harald88 20:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allais cannot be considered a physicist 

message: I vaguely remember to have seen a very plausible sounding explanation that it was caused by air pressure changes that occur during an eclipse, but I don't remember the reference. Maybe someone else knows? Harald88 15:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allais effect 

message: Moroder, I revert your edits as they were incompatible with policy. As you are unexperienced, here is an explanation:
* 1. This article is about Maurice Allais and it should inform the readers about his notabale ideas and claims. That information must be verifiable, preferably cited from his own publications. In this case we linked to an "antirelativity" site that contains a carbon copy; you don't seriously claim that there is substantial doubt that that copy is reliable, or do you? See also WP:V.
* But if you claim that "antirelativity" above his work gives a negative impression, so that the link could be interpreted as making a negative suggestion about Allais, that may be something to consider. From what I read I don't think that he would be offended. Harald88 19:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As he/she insists in removing references against WP:V and continues to write in a biased way against WP:NPOV, insisting on keeping his/her WP:Original research, I now added the appropriate banners and indicators... Harald88 21:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  edits by [[user:Moroder]] 

message: harry, I took out your reference to the crackpot website www.anti-relativity.com
* Allais paper is not peer - reviewed, as an "experienced" wikipedian you should know that repeatedly quoting it is a no-no. If you want to express your POV, feel free to do it elswhere. Moroder 21:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  edits by [[user:Harald88]] 

message: Moroder -
This is not the same situation as twin paradox.  Under WP:NPOV, you cannot just tear into the subject (or subjects) of the article.  You simply cannot write things like "[This paper] suffers from the conspicous absence of experimental error bars".  However, you can say that the paper has been criticised for lacking experimental error bars, and provide a supporting reference.
Think of yourself as a reporter here, and remember that your audience is the general public, and not just fellow scientists.  Your job is to report the facts in the text, not to judge them.  That Allais' article "suffers" is very biased terminology which violates WP:NPOV.  However noting that it has been "criticized as suffering ..." is not as you are now reporting another fact.  I advise reading WP:NPOV#Let_the_facts_speak_for_themselves and WP:NPOV#Attributing_and_substantiating_biased_statements.  
Note that I fully support your content.  The issues are in the style and the tone. --EMS | Talk 04:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you, I corrected the tone, the message is the same. BTW, harry picked up the Allais "paper" of the www.anti-relativity.com website. Next time you will need to be more careful about the reversals Moroder 07:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Moroder - This article is about Maurice Allais, not special relativity, and what is significant or an acceptable source is going to be very different given that Allais himself is the subject.  There is no way that www.anti-relativity.com can be a reliable source for a relativity article.  However, it is a reliable source for information about an anti-relativist like Allais.  So I have no qualms about reverting back to Harald's version, as his text was sourced and NPOV while yours was not.
=== Please proof your addition ===
The flow and wording of your addition are not good.  Please read it over carefully and fix it up.  It just does not read well. --EMS | Talk 16:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV in this article 

message: The flow and wording of your addition are not good.  Please read it over carefully and fix it up.  It just does not read well. --EMS | Talk 16:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please proof your addition 

message: Moroder - As I read and reread what you wrote, it became more and more obvious that you are just trashing the newer Allias article with a few references added.  It is not NPOV to outright trash an article like that.  You keep writing first-person opinions instead of third-person opinions (i.e. "this article suffers ...." instead of "X has shown that this new article suffers ...").  Also, by expanding the assiciated text you are giving added importance to this newer article at the expense of the other, better known work.  That is also inappropriate.
I did make one change in the revert:  I added spacing above the note that modern experiments comfirm the predictions of SR to make it more prominent.  The difference is subtle, but it brings ones eyes to the most important thing about these articles. --EMS | Talk 17:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted after further review 

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: If I remember well (I think I saw it on a NASA website), his pendulum experiments have been repeated by many other scientists with mixed results. Surely that's interesting and worthwhile of mention; hopefully someone else remembers the details and references. Harald88 18:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The NASA made test in 1999, yes. But while they announced it before, , they made few comments after. Honnestly, I can't understand this: there is no shame testing an hypothetical effect and find nothing, neither finding an unexplainable effect.  Barraki 10:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: OK thanks for the refs! Surely we can include the basic facts, citing the Nasa reference. Harald88 20:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  repetition by NASA(?) and others of his pendulum experiments 

message: The article had a brief summary of his pathbreaking work in economics (the reason he has a WP article) followed by a long section on his amateur/fringe work in physics. I've greatly shortened the physics stuff, and will try to expand the economics over time. JQ (talk) 06:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting balance right 

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message: "They formalize the self-regulation of markets, which Keynes refuted but reiterated some of Allais's ideas." What is this sentence trying to say? If Keynes reiterated some of Allais' ideas, the sentence structure is wrong, the part after 'but' does not connect to the referent of 'which'. Tawiscaron (talk) 18:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  intro paragraph phrasing unclear