Talk:Royal Prussia

message: The term "Polish Prussia" appears to be used more frequently than "Royal Prussia",   in English language sources. And it appears that the name of the province as legally defined in a founding document was written as "Polish Prussia".Volunteer Marek (talk) 23:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. The article (§) 1 of the official and original document issued by the local authorities is clearly saying Polnisch-Preußen ist ... (Polish Prussia is ...) consequently it is an official name (legal name) recognized by those authorities and only this name can be and should be used as official. - p. 581 BurgererSF (talk) 11:39, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: 2. If we cannot consider an Excerpt of the State Constitution (Bill) of Polish-Prussia (translation from German) in the publication entitled Concise History and State Constitution of Polish Prussia in ancient and modern times published in 1764, as a reliable source of information, so we cannot also accept the same article saying that the region mit Polen nichts (...) gemein hat (has nothing in common with Poland) as a proof of its independence. BurgererSF (talk) 11:39, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah that part is straight up POV pushing by an anon sock of a banned user. Removing. At present I'm on the fence between "Polish Prussia" vs. "Royal Prussia" thing.Volunteer Marek (talk) 16:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Both terms are used in a similar extent. Friedrich  uses both terms next to each other. I didn't check all results, but it seems "Polish P." is used by older sources while "Royal P." is used by more modern ones. The main misconception is to claim the "official" term was "Polish Prussia" because a single source, published in 1764 uses this term. It's a schoolbook, published by a teacher for (his?) pupils, which contains a translation of Gottfried Lengnich's "Jus Publicum Prussiae Polonae, Danzig 1758". Lengnich describes the legal situation of "Royal/Polish Prussia" but did not write the "constitution" or anything "official" about it. I would prefer the current version, which has never been disputed before (AFAIK), a move should however be discussed as provided per WP:RM. HerkusMonte (talk) 17:49, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The book contain an excerpt of bill issued by local authorities at page 581. How is it possible that such a document cannot be considered as official? BurgererSF (talk) 19:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: p.581 ff  is a translation (Latin to German) of Gottfried Lengnich's book, it's not any kind of "official constitution" published by state or municipal authorities. HerkusMonte (talk) 15:29, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Herkus, yes I think that's right. "Polish Prussia" was the dominant term used in English until the 1970's or so but then for some reason "Royal Prussia" began taking over. The strange thing is that this was taking place alongside a trend which saw English usage abandon old German terms and switch to Polish terms -  like "Stettin"  switched  to "Szczecin" in English. I don't know - the official document which founded the entity does use "Polish Prussia" OTOH. And we still have "Pomerelia", also an older term like "Polish Prussia", on Wikipedia, rather than the newer "Gdansk Pomerania", presumably only because some people start seeing red when they see the word "Gdansk".Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:45, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Royal" or "Polish" 

message: Shouldn't we consider a WP:RM then? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 15:48, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 2012 add-on

message: As to simplify, is it not prudent to simply say that in the info' paragraph? As it is, West Prussia (current successor) only leads to bunch short-lived and eventually absorbed occurrences. I've seen relatively similar stuff happen 'longst this chronology, mostly regarding Holy Roman Empire's successors/predecessors. Not doing it my self since I'm unsure.81.92.27.129 (talk) 18:44, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding dom of Prussia to succeeded by in info' paragraph as shortcut? 

message: I am confused by the language of the map, featuring  city names all in Polish (with German heteronyms in brackets). 
It is my understanding that at the time, both Royal Prussia and Ducal Prussia were culturally, legally and administratively German entities. Royal Prussia, while inviting the suzerainty of the Polish King, remained largely autonomous in its internal affairs, mint etc. 
If this is correct, the city names should be primarily represented in their German iteration. Andrea80796 (talk) 12:56, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concern: Map