Talk:Mountain gorilla

message: We have made a number of updates to the Conservation section as a whole.  We felt that each of the threats needed to have more depth and analysis (i.e. references to scientific literature) in order to understand any conservation activities.
*Poaching - inclusion of a referenced case study (the 'Taiping 4').
*Habitat loss - addition of information regarding the impact of pyrethrum growth, isolation of groups or 'clans' of the sub-population and the resulting lack of genetic diversity.
*Disease - discussion of the dangers of human contact with gorillas given their genetic similarities and the increased risk of disease transmission - also a note about how this danger can be minimised with good management.  The impact of livestock in the region is also noted.
*War and Civil Unrest - this section was only very briefly addressed previously, despite the obvious effects that regional instability would have had on the subpopulation.  We have included information about simulation modelling of the impact of war and unrest on habitat and population, along with information about direct impacts such as increases in poaching, pressures of increased population on ecologically vulnerable regions through the influx of refugees and the effect of land mines.
Following on from this, we updated the section on conservation methods.  The information about Community-based conservation was minimal in spite of its significant role in protecting the gorilla habitat - as such, we have included further information about collaborative management processes and community engagement.  There was also very little information about the impact of eco-tourism which has been particularly significant in providing the resources to carry out effective conservation. The previous separation of 'active' and 'theoretical' conservation made it difficult to discuss their impacts as the two halves of an holistic approach.
===Update to conservation introduction===
Updated conservation introduction to include overall impact on population size of conservation efforts over the past 2 decades and indicate conflicts between researchers about these figures  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cinderski (talk • contribs) 02:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Conservation: Threats and Conservation Methods updated

message: Updated conservation introduction to include overall impact on population size of conservation efforts over the past 2 decades and indicate conflicts between researchers about these figures  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cinderski (talk • contribs) 02:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Update to conservation introduction

message: I added the taxobox and updated the classifications. The article contents is only a very rough beginning, and I will continue to work on it. (I have seen works in progress dealt with in a few different ways, if one is preferred, please let me know.) The following thoughts are in addition/response to the guidelines given at WikiProject Primates and used in primate articles (see Lemurine Owl Monkey & White-throated Capuchin -- both great examples). 
* Description (physical, behavioral) - what makes this (group of) critter(s) different from its close relatives? Include here evidence about cognitive capacities. These descriptions should be separated (at least for any/all of the Hominids), both due to the amount of living places
 - where does it live? how broadly does it roam? maps are good Some articles group habitat and diet as a heading. Again, these should be separated. Possibly. There are a few different angles that a description of habitat could be approach from, including:
:* Research & Population Estimates -  Include here any significant field research and census data. This (along with the following) is my addition to the list. 
:* Conservation - What impact have humans had on this species? Include here any threats (habitat destruction, poaching, disease, etc.) and conservation work. Unless I have missed something, they are either vague or absent from the current one. The importance to/impact on humans should be addressed here.
* Cultural, Religious, Economic, etc. Importance - what impact has it had on humans? Include here use for experimental purposes that do not relate to other headings. Experimental purposes and/or captive life are significant topics (again, at least for the Hominids) for reasons which include: the majority of gorilla subspecies do not survive in captivity, the knowledge gained from lab research.  
These thoughts are primarily in reference to the Mountain Gorilla article, but may apply to the others (esp. those mentioned). I would appreciate any (constructive) comments.  
Lea 13:50, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I changed my mind about / reworked some of the things I mentioned above. Regardless, I have put up what I have so far. I know it needs a little work as far as format (at least). Lea 03:51, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit Summary - 21 May 2004

message: The current article says "Only infants sleep in the same nest as their mothers." But Dian Fossey, in Gorillas in the Mist, describes adults sleeping together on numerous occasions. --DavidNYC 20:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sleep Habits

message: Should this article maybe go into more detail about Gorilla Tourism? and possibly threats to the Gorilla with regards to the Rwanda War? One of the reasons for the gorillas continued surivial is arugably due to the gorilla tourism and the exposure it creates and economic benefits for the local communities? I'm not a expert, but maybe an expert could create a section on this? --Mezaco 16:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tourism

message: There are tons of conflictions from sources regarding the scientific name of the mountain gorilla. Anyone know which one is actually acurate? Cabound 22:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The listed name is correct, according to the last few publications at least. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Scientific name

message: I've nominated this article for GA status. I actually just came across it randomly while looking at endangered species. It looks to be stable, well-sourced, well-written, and overall a very interesting read. ♠ SG →Talk 14:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article candidate

message: They had a competition for "Who can wear a gorilla costume the longest" and Spenny talked about the Mountain Gorilla throught the whole episode, 
should it be mentioned? KingRaven (>$.$)> (talk) 07:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenny vs. Spenny 

message: These were at the top of the article, not sure why.
    - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 15:59, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stray refs 

message: I'm pretty sure the reference:  is just a reproduction of this page, and therefore is referencing itself. Jack (talk) 13:49, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referencing a reproduction of this page? 

message: In the Behavior/Social Structure section there is a sentence pertaining to the silverback's ability to remove snares from other gorilla's feet and feet. However this behavior was recently observed in juveniles as well (source). I am unsure of where in the article this information would best be placed and I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts. Thanks, FifthCrow (talk) 18:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interactions with Poachers 

message: The mountain gorilla article is cited as a formerly good article.  Upon reading, there are a few citations needed.  The two largest sections are conservation and behavior, respectively.  The behaviors are broken down into subsections including social structure, aggression, affiliation, vocalization, and fears.  The behaviors are described in death and include citations.  Within the subcategory of social structure, there is explanation of relatedness among group members in detail.  Exploring the social relationships within a group and relating it to behavioral evolution can describe this even further.  There should be a relationship between the altruism of members of a various group and their relatedness.  The talk section has more short entries about edits and fewer posts regarding fact checking and source data.  Historically, this article has been edited several times within the same month and was first established in 2004.
Katims90 (talk) 19:46, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: Someone needs to change the average height listing because im pretty sure male mountain gorillas are taller than 5 feet. a more accurate average is around 5 ft 6 - 5 ft 7 inches tall for males.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bron668 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please look at Average HiLo48 (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Male gorillas are not only 4 feet 11 inches tall 

message: While the African Wildlife Foundation does say that the Mountain Gorilla is 10 times stronger than the biggest American football players, this shouldn't be stated in the article because no one has ever tested gorilla strength - even if it had, the African Wildlife Foundation doesn't make any reference to it.  Also, other organizations have different estimates.  It's obvious they're probably much stronger than any human but since we can only guess it seems like a good idea to remove the mention of it.  69.158.136.218 (talk) 06:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strength 

message: Koko should not be mentioned in the fear section or anywhere in this article because she is a western lowland gorilla, not a mountain gorilla. 202.123.130.53 (talk) 12:02, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the explanation. It seems unlikely that information is really verified by the cited source; just go ahead and remove it.--Cúchullain t/c 12:55, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Koko]] 

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