Talk:Thomas Francis Meagher

message: I'd like get this article to WP:Good Article. Over the past couple months I have been updating this article with in-line citations.  I have also tagged a number of items with "citation needed," especially in the "Death & disappearance" section.   My plan (in a week or two) is to remove any statements that currently have a "citation needed" tag next to it, and possibly consolidate the "death" and "legacy" sections, then seek a peer review or copyedit.
If there are sources for some of the items that I have tagged, I will be more than happy to add the inline cites if you point me in the right direction.  If there are any other issues with the article from those familiar with the subject, this might be a good place to bring them up.  Thanks, Mitico (talk) 12:44, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up & citations 

message: Added rank info & dates, and some other adjustments. I put in the  near the bit about Mitchel because at first glance it could read as Original Research. I could not find out the nature of his injuries at First Bull Run, so this can be added later. I still have two major concerns with the Civil War section:
::*Regarding the split over slavery, here is an link to google books: 
::Let me know if you think this is sufficient.  Mitico (talk) 17:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me. Kresock (talk) 19:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes, I had actually changed it from how you have it now.  I'd like the image & text to match without much explantion - so hopefully the way it is piped now is okay.  Mitico (talk) 17:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

text: *Oh I see that in the Civil War High Commands. The Army of Ohio is not mentioned in a number of my sources, if you'd like to add that detail that would be great and I'll look to see if I can expand if needed.  Thanks.  Mitico (talk) 17:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'll also note that this reference is the first time I had seen his death attributed to a "drinking party."  Though drinking is frequently attributed, just never quite in this way.  Interesting. Mitico (talk) 18:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

text: * I will follow up, but I think his participation was limited in Chancellorsville. Due to limited troops, recovering from the injury and (IMO) being po'd about not being able to further recruit he stayed on the "sidelines."  Mitico (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

text: *Well, Meagher and the Irish Brigade did engage in Chancellorsville, but the reports seems mixed.  Some say he was wounded, Meagher's report conflicts with Hancock's regarding the brigades actions, subsequently Meagher resigned.  Interestingly, Meagher only took command of the brigade on April 27, after recovery from his injuries, just three days prior to Chancellorsville.Mitico (talk) 21:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's the case, then I'd add the bit about taking command three days prior and put in something like "lightly engaged" or so, and for now leave out the possible wounding/Handcock stuff until more in known. Perhaps the OR's can help? Kresock (talk) 21:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added his taking command & engagement as suggested. Just to be clear, Meagher was not wounded at Chancellorsville, but I was stating that to illustrate how much the reports vary.  All-in-all, I think stating that he  saw limited action is proper, especially compared to the other battles.  Let me know if you have any other observations regarding the article.  I am going to nominate for GA now.  I appreciate your expertise and your help improving this article.  Mitico (talk) 14:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem, and feel free to ask anytime. Kresock (talk) 21:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More work 

message: I think there are two options with this list.  1) Keep it as it is & when we are "complete" delete the items that have been used as a reference in the article, or 2) incorporate the entire list into the "Books by Young Irelanders" template.
:Option 2) would be my preference, with an additional biography section on Meagher? Just a suggestion. --Domer48'fenian' 20:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats sorted, got it on second attempt.--Domer48'fenian' 20:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Books by & additional reading

message: # I switched the author name on the Ua Cellaigh book, so that the in-line cites would agree to the first name list, instead of Sullivan.  This reversal may be incorrect, in which case I think we should undo my change, then change all the Ua Cellaigh cites to Sullivan.
# What does ref #21 (currently) reference to:1843 the “Repeal year” according to Daniel O’Connell? Is this to a book, or informational footnote?
Mitico (talk) 12:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Its an information footnote. It could possibly be expanded or expanded in the article. 1843 was the hight of the Repeal Association campaign, O'Connell predicting it to be the Repeal year and Meagher's return coincided with all this activity and excitement. --Domer48'fenian' 20:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I notice that all of the sponsoring groups for this article have it listed as "B" class. Have these been revised recently? This is a damn good article on a fascinating subject (I had no idea of the level of involvement of the Irish in the American Civil War!).
Given my limited knowledge of article grading standards, does this still qualify as a "B" class? I think there is some excellent DYK potential for this article, at the very least.
Vulture19 (talk) 15:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow, this is a good article! 

message: The section https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cardiff_Giant states
"In 1899 a petrified man found in Fort Benton, Montana was "identified" as U.S. Civil War General Thomas Francis Meagher. Meagher had drowned in the Missouri River two years previously. The petrified man was transported to New York for exhibition."
Comments?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.222.100 (talk) 10:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a great Montana legend.  The "petrified man" was found in 1897, Meaghar drowned in 1867, so the "two years" bit is wrong right off the bat.  The thing was displayed as a sort of carnival sideshow novelty for years and has since been lost, so no way to determine truth or untruth. See  and .  I updated the Cardiff Giant article.  Don't know if it's worth adding this to the article here, I find it an amusing tale, but would like to see consensus of other editors first.  Montanabw(talk) 19:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Body recovered? 

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