Talk:Mekelle

message: *Adi Haqi
*Adi Hawsi
*Adi Shum Dihun
*Ayder
*Djibrook
*Edaga B’erai
*Edaga Senuy
*Elala
*Enda Gabir
*Enda Mariam
*Enda Raesi
*Enda Teklehaimanot
*Enda Tureta
*Endustri
*Hawlti
*Mai Degene
*Mai Leham
*Mai Woyni
DBSBHAT (talk) 02:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neighborhoods 

message: *Agazi
*Alula
*Guna
*Hakhfen
*Mizer
*Musse
*Sehul  
DBSBHAT (talk) 02:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Streets 

message: *Aste Johannes Primary
*Atse Johannes Secondary
*Ayder Primary
*Elala Primary
*Fre Abyot Secondary
*Fre Sema’etat Primary
*Gereb Tsedo Primary
*Mai Leham Primary
*Mai Woyni Primary
*Mekelle Primary
*Mekelle Secondary  
DBSBHAT (talk) 02:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public Schools 

message: *Mengesha Seyoum (Ras)
*Hailemariam Redda (Blata)
*Kassa Debes
*Asfachew Fikadu  
DBSBHAT (talk) 02:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  People 

message: a comment here suggests that volcanic ash fell on Mek'ele on June 13th, it needs a cite note but otherwise it could be added to this article. EdwardLane (talk) 15:23, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2011 Eritrean eruption 

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message: I'm not sure the following comment is NPOV:
"and recently in social media people have started to call the city "the home of spartas" to show the resistance of tigryan for 3000 years against enemy[2]"
this (implicitly) supports a view of Tigray as ethno-centric and against a common Ethiopian identity. This is a very partisan POV, not reflective of all Tigrayans, or other Ethiopians.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.80.135 (talk) 10:28, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  home of spartas 

message: The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 02:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: The gallery section is too large. Also, captions shouldn't have non-English writing and 'code' in them in the English Wikipedia. See WP:Manual of Style/Captions, WP:GALLERY. Platonk (talk) 07:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Alrighty Then. I trimmed the section heavily. Seems that these had been all uploaded to Wikimedia on the same day (10 November 2020) by a single editor who put a pro-Tigray "war cry" in the description field. None of the images actually has any information about what the image represents. They had been inserted the following day into this article's gallery by this edit. Platonk (talk) 07:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   Do you know what these 8 gallery images represent? Are these photos even from Mekelle? Platonk (talk) 16:12, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like they're just old buildings in rural Tigray. Highly don't they're from Mekelle at all. I'm pretty sure those photos are not the uploader's own work. I'm also sure they were just added to the article for advocacy. Ue3lman (talk) 21:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

text: I have been working on identifying the photos. This is what I have so far. Further notes can be found within the 4 collapsed sets "Wikimedia commons set #". It's looking more and more like someone just grabbed a bunch of images to upload for advocacy without knowing what they were uploading. And it's doubtful that any of them were the work of whoever uploaded them. The plot thickens. Platonk (talk) 01:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work. Looking at the set I can confidently say those are not the work of the uploader and were uploaded for advocacy. I don't know how easy it would be to delete them since I don't know the guidelines for taking done a non-free photo, and the amount of individual delete templates that would have to be added is a lot. Is there a way to do a mass AFD in a similar way on commons? Ue3lman (talk) 06:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many photos 

message: (Documenting this here because this is where the files were found.)
33 files uploaded as Tigray War propaganda includes: misleading filenames and descriptions; incorrect dates, source, author and copyright information; no metadata, sockpuppetry, advocacy/propaganda for a current war; and inserted into an article most of the images did not apply to.
These 33 files are numbered in the same order in which they were uploaded to Wikimedia commons: 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
* Named incorrectly:
** All of them. None of them are "Historic center of (town)".
** 1-11 are labelled "Historic Center of Mekelle" but 3, 6, 7, 9, 10 & 11 are not even in Mekelle
** 12-20 are labelled "Historic Center of Tigrai" but Tigray is a region, not a city.
** 21-29 are labelled "Historic Center of Woyane" but Woyane isn't a place, it's a "patriotic" concept.
** 30-33 are labelled "Historic Center of Tegaru" which translated is "Historic Center of Tigrayans", it's a people, not a place.
* Wrong date:
** 1-7 are given as 1956, but are from 1935/1936.       
** 8-11 give "1 March 2020" but these are from at least 3 different towns, so that is unlikely.
** 25 & 27 give 1965, but are from 1935/1936  
** 30, 31, 33 look like more of the Italian WWI photos (soldier in 33; 30 & 31 match landscapes I saw in other 1930s photos) 
** 10, 14, 22, 29 were found posted online in 2018 but uploader says the photo dates are in 2020.        
** 9, 15, 16, 19, 20, 23 were found posted online in 2019 but uploader says the photo dates are in 2020.        
** 32 was found posted online with a datestamp in 2020 earlier than the uploader's 2020 date of photo. 
** I believe all of the photo dates are completely invented because all have single digit "days" (after the first 7 which are obviously incorrect anyway).
* Wrong source:
** 1-7 each give the same 5 online sources, none of which show these images.
** 8-33 give source as "own work", many of which are not their own work.
** 1-7, 25, 27 do not credit Istituto Luce who took these photographs.
* Wrong or missing author:
** 1-7 say "unknown author", but all 7 are from Istituto Luce during WWII.
** 8-11 say "own work". 8 & 9 might be own work, but 10 & 11 are unlikely to be (per my research).
** 13-14 say "own work" but they are not their own work.
** 25 & 27 say "own work" but they are from Istituto Luce during WWII.
** 22, 23, 26, 29 say "own work" but they are not their own work.
** 30-33 say "own work" but these are not their own work.
* Wrong copyright information:
** 1-7 say they were published in Ethiopia. Incorrect, they were published in Italy.
** 8-33 say the uploader is the copyright holder. Incorrect for most of them.
* Misleading description:
** 1-7 say "Tigray protect your artistic heritage for you for your children"
** 8-11 say "Historic Center Mekelle" and at least 3 of those are not in Mekelle. (1 is unknown)
** 12-20, 22-23, 25-26, 28 have Tigray War propaganda: "Tegaru protect the TIGRAY your freedom and democracy from Eritrean and Ethiopian dictators from envious thieves and murderers protect the history of your ancestors who built the true history of Ethiopia over the centuries and drive away the who want a new genocide of the Tigrayans and the Tigrayans culture protect the sacrifices of the Tigrayans martyrs"
** 21-29 say "Historic Center of Woyane" and there is no place called "Woyane"
** 30-33 say "Historic Center of Tegaru" and there is no place called "Tegaru" (which means Tigrayans, and is a people, not a place).
* No metadata:
** None of the images have any metadata in them. (Vintage photos, obviously, have no metadata as they would be scans of printed photos or potentially created from negatives from the Italian archives.)
* Sockpuppetry:
** All 4 Wikimedia accounts are named similarly (Axumawit Yohannes, Axumawit Woyane, Axumawit Tigrai, Axumawit Tegaru).
** All 4 accounts uploaded these 33 files named using the same filename structure/pattern (Amharic followed by English with repetitive names).
** Accounts 2, 3 & 4 uploaded all their files within a 2-day period.
** Accounts 1 & 2 uploaded photos of the same building (9, 15, 16, 19 & 20). Accounts 1, 3 & 4 uploaded files from the Italian archive. Accounts 2 & 3 uploaded images for Gunda Gunde.
** All/every file from accounts 2, 3 & 4 were inserted into Mekelle article with a single edit by SPA user Tyrone Martin just 5 hours after the last file was uploaded into Commons.
** All files uploaded by account 1 (took 5 days) were inserted into Mekelle article with a single edit by SPA user አቡነ አረጋዊ 7 days after the last upload, were reverted with caution to rename/describe the files, not corrected, and re-inserted them in the identical manner.
* Advocacy:
** Wikimeda accounts 2, 3 & 4 uploaded their files within 6 days of the start of the Tigray War and the filenames and descriptions show a clear WP:ADVOCACY for one side of the military conflict.
** All 33 were only ever put into the Mekelle article, and no others. Mekelle is the capital of Tigray Region. There is currently a war going on in Tigray.
* Photo identification:
** 2 & 5 are Yohannes IV palace from 1930s (in Mekelle)
** 1 & 4 are Mekelle in the 1930s
** 32 is a vintage photo of Mekelle, old quarter, date unknown
** 9, 15, 16, 19, 20 are all the same house in Aynalem, a town adjacent to Mekelle (but not the historic quarter of Mekelle)
** 7, 3 & 6 are a round rock building with some monks in Adwa
** 33 is Adigrat 1939
** 13, 14, 26 & 29 are Gunda Gunde Monastery, possibly 22 as well
** 10 is Shum Agame Sebhat Subagadis Castle at Hadush Adi, Adigrat
** 24 is a rock-hewn cliff-face monastery, possibly "Monastery Abune Aregawi Num"
** 25, 30, 31 are probably Mekelle 1930s
** 25 is somewhere else (not Mekelle), 1930s
** These are unknown/unidentified: 8, 11, 12, 17, 18, 21, 24, 28
I recommend that all 33 files be deleted and the 6 involved accounts (4 Commons, 2 Wikipedia) be blocked for sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry and other violations. Platonk (talk) 04:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Those 33 images 

message: A discussion is taking place as to whether the 33 images should be deleted or not. The article will be discussed at this discussion page until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Platonk (talk) 05:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominated for a deletion discussion at Commons