Talk:Marc Lépine/Archive 1

message: Would it be useful to have a picture of his tomb? (It is even legal to take pictures of tombs?) - Sepper 15:15, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: picture of Lépine's tomb=

message: It is tragic that Marc Lepine's actions have been reduced to being seen simply as those typical of a mass murderer, when he had so much he wanted to explain to the world - about what it was like to prepare for a career and then be pushed out, what it must have been like to try and have a relationship with a girl when what girls wanted was a man with a future and money. Lepine keeps getting put in with mass murderers when he should be being looked at as a symbol of what is wrong with society. It is conveneient for academics, male and female, to keep Lepine in the same category as mass murderers. Thanks to Elliott Leyton who started it, and feminists who jumped o to this easy solution - the scapegoating of Marc Lepine. 20 Dec 2006 Suemcp 21:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Background Information

message: Is there a reason why it's rarely performed, and only a snippit appears on the album?  Don't know if it would be worthwhile explaining here or elsewhere, or no.  --Daniel C. Boyer 00:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tragically Hip song

message: Wouldn't it be relevant to note in the article (this, or the one for the massacre) that he and his father are/were Muslims?  
*Please sign your entries User:142.161.68.238.  I don't think it relevant to add that info.  An entry like that for the reason you cite will be challenged, by Muslins and others that that have views different from yours. I am adding this same note to Talk:École Polytechnique massacre    Regards, Cafe Nervosa | talk17:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam 

message: Marc's life was claimed as the action of a name-use call-demand business scheme that focused upon/targeted surnames which alluded to culinary arts. Intent has been demonstrated among such participants to initiate and 'order' a product-development pool and mass market a 'minceur-type' knife for the benefit of refugees displaced from the Kinzua Valley by the Kinzua Dam Hydroelectric Project at the New York/Pennsylvania state border.
The call-demand network methodological operation uses the telephone as a strategy to demand action, including demands to have "reports" from 'chosen' individuals.  Beadtot 23:29, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  name-use schemes 

message: The wikipedia article about the Mini-14 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-14 ) calls it "technically an assault rifle".
So, is there a reason why it's called a "hunting rifle" here?
(172.176.132.38 01:35, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because it is and assault rifle, doe not mean it is not a hunting rifle. If you wanted you could use a M-16 as a hunting rifle. The terms do not rule each other out. And for this discussions Mini-14s were used for hunting. say1988 04:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruger Mini-14 a "hunting rifle" 

message: Perhaps his mug shot?
: Umm, he killed himself. They generally don't take mugshots of dead criminals. Theducks 03:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ReqImage

message: While I may agree with the sentiment of the person who wrote: "We should never offer a burial to this misogynist animal bastard!!" It is a personal opinion which does not add any information to the page. I suspect that the purpose of the page to provide information about Marc Lépine, not to discuss the eligibility of mass murderers for burial rights. Apple Rancher 04:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal

message: Who is trying to use Wikipedia to promote feminist midandry?  Isn't it bad enough that Canadian femnist groups use Marc Lepine as a whipping boy for anti-men hate?  Let's try to make this page POV neutral and drop the very strong anti-men bias.  Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.82.9.57 (talk • contribs).
Note: Many of this page's comments have been altered to change their tone and content.  Trying to revert back to a clean version is difficult without removing things, so I have not, so please take into account that any comment here may have been vandalized.  If confused, check the history of this page. Dina 00:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, AFAIK the only times that comments were modified by someone other than their authors were here and here.  I've looked through the history of this talk page for the last year, and those are the only ones I could find. --Saforrest 15:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough.  I got my attention drawn to this page, was confused, and then realized comments had been vandalized.  I'd just requested sprotection for it, so I wanted anyone checking here to realize that something fishy was going on...You did a more thorough job than me.  Cheers Dina 02:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drop the Feminist Hate Dogma

message: The nonsense on this page really needs to stop.  Whether it's misandry or misogyny (and I honestly am not sure, though I suspect the latter).  Cheers Dina 15:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are "anonymous" as log as you edit without a logged-in account; this is not an insult but simply fact.  In any case, if you are responsible for this ([])  then I can't really be persuaded of your good faith. --Saforrest 15:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I have put in a request for Semi-protection

message: The following comments are copied here from the article where they were added by --Suemcp on December 17th 2006
It is unknown whether Lépine intended to kill the listed women. It is unlikely he intended to, though he may have felt like it. Feminists being what they are, supporting only middle class women and using sex to get ahead in life, he must have felt pretty riled up at times, particularly if he had anything to do with them at all. But the women on the list were probably spread out to such an extent he would never have had the opportunity. It's just another way of getting at Lépine, and making him appear a nasty person. Maybe they were the names of women he had written to, to express his concern, but who never wrote back. Lépine's suicide letter was never officially made public, but was conveniently leaked to Francine Pelletier, who apparently translated it herself into English and had it published in the newspaper La Presse. In his suicide letter, Lépine expressed admiration for Denis Lortie, who mounted a political attack on the Quebec National Assembly in 1984, killing three Quebec government employees. It is also suggested,in an odd twist of language, that Lépine said he did not kill for economic reasons. What he meant was that he had enough money to last until he had carried out his last battle against feminism. It did not mean that he was happy working in a dead-end job.
It is entirely inappropriate to connect Marc Lépine with the social cuase of violence against women. Most violence against women is committed by men the women are in relationships with. Marc Lépine killed women because they were taking jobs that had tradtionally been held for men. There was no way for Lépine to resolve this matter in his life. There was no help. No one was there to listen. It is highly doubtful feminists would. One would think that committing such a act of violence would draw attention to the significance of his actions, but it had (with the help of feminists, male academics, and the media) the opposite effect. No one listened. Feminists expected that ordinary people would take this violent episdoe and link it in their minds to the social problem of 'violence' against women. And it has worked! Congartulations, feminists. The only problem is it doesn't even make sense. It wasn't about relationships with women. It was about work. Note: These were some of the comments I made that were removed from the main page on Lepine recently and someone has placed here on the discussion page. Feel free to comment. End. Suemcp 13:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reflective comments 

message: I took a turn at it, trying to satisfy both points of view (there was also an extra comma in the most recent edit by Suemcp.  I think the rewrite toes the line between saying that the events are only called École Polytechnique massacre and allows for Suemcp's assertion that that is the current name.  Cheers. Dina 22:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the indiscriminate murder of 14 unarmed people and the further wounding of another 13 other people easily qualifies as a "massacre" under any definition of the word. --Wafulz 07:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed sentence about the name

message: I have started sourcing and expanding this article too.  Hopefully the changes are self explanatory given the references!! --Slp1 23:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting sources