Talk:Leoš Janáček

message: The article says  (first syllable stressed) but in the audio sample the stress seems clearly on the second syllable – ??? Dan ☺ 13:52, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite the efforts of numerous BBC Radio 3 presenters, I've always assumed the correct pronunciation is as in the audio sample, with the second syllable stressed. (But then I do come from Newport, lol). Czech language#Stress tells us that: "The primary stress is always fixed to the first syllable of a stressed unit, which is usually identical to a word." (but with some exceptions). But the accent makes that /aː/ a long vowel, which thus takes the stress. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is correct, apart from the pronunciation at the end of this fantastic performance by BBC symphony and Pierre Boulez. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 16:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

text: There's a difference between Janaček and Janáček, that has nothing to do with whether the first syllable is stressed or not.  The first syllable is stressed in both words.  In Janaček, the second syllable is more like a schwa (ə), while in Janáček it's more like -ah-.  But just because the vowel is lengthened in the 2nd case, does not mean it is stressed.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:17, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree that, in principle, stress and length are not the same thing. But you'd need someone more expert than me to demonstrate that. In my view the audio samples are correct. It's a matter of how that pronunciation is shown by means of the phonetic transcription. Perhaps you could advise? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Yes, the first pronunciation on that website clearly has the accent on the first syllable - distinguished by pitch - and a long vowel in the second. The audio file used here is less clear. This is all explained in the Tyrell ref given next to the pronunciation. See also Czech language#Stress. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The Tyrrell book seems to be available for preview online. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonetic Transcription of Name 

message: I wonder if anyone else feels, as I do, that sections 4 through 6 are perhaps out of order. I'm hesitant to make a change unless there is a consensus. It seems in particular that sections 4 and 6 fall in the wrong order; shouldn't inspiration precede legacy? I think, too, that section 5 is unduly prominent, especially in view of the fact that these criticisms look rather misguided when we consider current estimations of this composer. I feel a more natural order would be 4 -- Inspiration, 5 -- Legacy, 6 -- Criticism. Ishboyfay (talk) 00:07, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Your proposal makes sense, Ishboyfay. As an editor who worked significantly on the article in the past, I agree with the sections reordering. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 09:44, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

text: OK, I've done it. Ishboyfay (talk) 22:49, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ordering of sections 

message: Hey, so I don't know how to properly add links here, but citation 42 is listed as a dead link and I found it on the Wayback Machine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130613153353/http://www.leosjanacek.com/glagolitic.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSU150-HistoryIntern (talk • contribs) 06:09, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 42 

message: Am I not understanding something, or does the IPA pronunciation shown here, incorrectly show the accent on the first syllable of Janáček instead of on the second syllable? Bhami (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This matter is fully discussed under 'Phonetic Transcription of Name' above. Geierstein41 (talk) 19:22, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA error?