Talk:Institute for Humane Studies

message: I see no reason to list the Institute as a Conservative Organization, as it has always in my opinion been consistently libertarian.--Sajita 19:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's worth noting that the LearnLiberty.org propaganda videos on youtube are chock full of blatant disinformation -- like when they describe Adam Smith as an enthusiastic capitalist who was thrilled about division of labor, when in fact he expressed a ton of anti-capitalist views and was absolutely horrified by division of labor, saying it would turn people into sub-human zombies if society didn't try to prevent it. IIRC they also tout Ayn Rand as the epitome of classical liberalism, when objectivism is actually almost the exact opposite. I don't have any sources for this criticism, but I think it's hilarious to call this mill a "classical liberal" organization. 98.184.141.102 (talk) 21:26, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure the two videos you watched had professors who did indeed espouse those views, however, those are two professors out of a network off many more who do not necessarily agree with those views. Adam Smith as an uber-capitalist and Adam Smith as a reluctant capitalist are both views that are perfectly consistent with a classical liberal outlook. Ayn Rand was no liberal, classical or otherwise, she had her own system she called objectivism.  Abel (talk) 23:55, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Random complaints 

message: Someone should upload the org's symbol for this article.  Also, any information about how the group came to adopt this symbol, or the intended meaning of the symbol, would be much appreciated.
Methinks it seems very similar to the Happy Human symbol.  Was this an inspiration in the creation of this organisation's symbol?
Does this organisation's symbol have a name?
Allixpeeke (talk) 21:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, they hired a graphic artist to get their logo so it probably has no link at all to the Happy Human symbol, unless the graphic artist happen to be inspired by that symbol or something. Abel (talk) 03:52, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbol 

message: Unless anyone objects, I think this section should be deleted. It is unsourced, and none of the websites mentioned here seem to be live:
?In 2004, IHS launched aBetterEarth.org, a student-oriented website that stated its goal as exploring "pragmatic approaches to solving environmental problems." The site discussed "alternative environmental approaches, including locally based 'eco-innovation,' outcome-based regulations, quasi-market pricing strategies, corporate and individual stewardship, property rights enforcement as a means of protecting the environment from polluters, and the cultivation of environmental aesthetics." The site criticized traditional environmentalists for being anti-capitalist and for pushing counterproductive government regulations. In 2005 IHS added aWorldConnected.org, which promoted a cosmopolitan free-trade approach to globalization issues and criticized cultural and economic nationalism. These websites are no longer active. IHS has also produced a series of interactive games to illustrate the functioning of spontaneous orders."
Does anyone have opinions on this? Safehaven86 (talk) 00:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Both aBetterEarth.organd aWorldConnected.org look like abandoned projects. Abel (talk) 03:55, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: A better earth?

message: Need help with the logic puzzle that is the history of IHS presidents. With citations would be great, but even without citations would be helpful.
Abel (talk) 19:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Presidents

message: Eight sources that all agree with each other are not enough for you? --Abel (talk) 01:25, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better source 

message: # "Embedded links that are used to support information in an article are positioned in the same manner as any other reference in the article." 
# On "Convissor, Kate (August 1999). "The Acton Institute: Of Morality & the Marketplace". Grand Rapids Magazine (Grand Rapids, Michigan): pp. 36–37." Questionable? Not questionable. Self-published? Not self-published. Accessibility? Not inaccessible. "The principle of verifiability implies nothing about ease of access to sources: some online sources may require payment, while some print sources may be available only in university libraries." Non-English sources? This source is in English.
# Adding  does not mean that you "Added some meat to the lede." --Abel (talk) 12:05, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While under citation is a potential legal problem in academic writing, there is no such thing as over citation. Case in point, someone arguing that a magazine article is not a reliable source because they couldn't find it on the Internet in less than four seconds. --Abel (talk) 14:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't search for the article and 8 citations for this one sentence is overkill. Also, I've changed it to "libertarian". See source #3. This is one of the problems with using lots of sources, as in this case, the source didn't support what the article stated. Somedifferentstuff (talk) 20:05, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for tagging the dead links. I was able to repair one, but had to delete the other. Had only the unrepairable now dead link been used, those claims would have become unsupported. Thanks to the multiple citations, the unrepairable dead link can be removed without a problem.--Abel (talk) 13:59, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

text: You added a better source tag to "Mr. Zywicki was honored as the recipient of the Institute for Humane Studies 2009 Charles G. Koch Outstanding IHS Alum Award" which supports the claim "recognition of alumni accomplishments." There is no better source.--Abel (talk) 13:59, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

text: You used a broken citation tag for Huebert's book Libertarianism Today when there is nothing broken about the link.--Abel (talk) 13:59, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

text: You added a better source tag to the Charity Navigator citation. Charity Navigator is a highly respected evaluator of non-profit organizations. There is no better source to confirm that the Institute for Humane Studies is a non-profit organization that offers educational and career programs.--Abel (talk) 13:59, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsupported claims  

message: The referencing of the lead section has gotten out of hand. Per WP:CITELEAD, a balance must be struck between the wish to provide the reader with proof, and the need to keep the article readable, with less clutter. Thus, we should "avoid redundant citations in the lead" section wherever possible. Note that the guideline says "The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article."
With this series of edits, Id4abel increased the number of references in the lead section from one to ten. Further changes have slapped more and more of them on until we have the current situation of 27 references, where none should be required. These references should be removed or at least moved to the article body. Binksternet (talk) 03:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section clogged with refs 

message: The page seems to be written more like promotional propaganda than an actual source of information, is there any way to make it more neutral? Valendale (talk) 13:02, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Read WP:RS and WP:NPOV, and add statements supported by reliable sources with a different point of view. Let me know if you have any trouble. --Nbauman (talk) 15:49, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extreme POV Bias 

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message: IHS no longer considers themselves libertarian since they are not a political organization but do consider themselves a classical liberal organization.
From their web site:
The Institute for Humane Studies supports and partners with professors to promote the teaching and research of classical liberal ideas and to advance higher education’s core purpose of intellectual discovery and human progress.
https://theihs.org/who-we-are/
https://theihs.org/news/core-classical-liberal-principles/
SeanTParker (talk) 16:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classical liberal