Talk:Pastoral Pipes

message: Development from the pastoral pipes may have influenced the Uilleann pipes. Although both instruments look similar, the pastoral pipes, were a forgotten pipe that never caught on in Scotland and the north of England in the in the 1700/1800s and died out roughly in the early 1900s. 
Or both instruments could have developed roughly around the same time. For more information check out this site.
http://www.bcpipes.com/pipes.html#anchor377700
Also check out http://www.greylarsen.com/store/samples/essguide_chap1-2.pdf
Ive also included this response from a guy from the Uilleann pipe page.
I've put links to both websites in this section, as one was removed (probably accidentally). I also added the indent. My apologies for referring to that edit as linkspam earlier - it seems to be a useful article.
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Graham talk 14:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You state.  They are widely recognised as the forerunner and ancestor of the Uilleann Pipes. The problem about a statement like this:(1) It's very broad and sweeping, and (2)Is it true?  I have no problen with it, if it is fact. Have you searched Irish references on this, because after all the Uilleann Pipes has a long tradition in Ireland. 83.70.215.114 21:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The pastoral pipe chanter is massively different from any other kind of chanter that was played in Britain around the time of its invention.  To go from a Border pipe chanter capable of overblowing a couple of notes at most to a two octave chromatic chanter with a keynote a fifth lower is a heck of a leap for the most aspiring of pipemakers.   In my opinion, the Pastoral pipe was invented outright, not derived from another kind of bagpipe.  However, some original research is needed here, which isn't Wikipedia's job. Calum 05:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

message: Can anyone explain exactly what fact are in dispute here?  If not, I'll remove the tag as as far as I can see there isn't anything vastly mistaken. Calum 20:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The tag isn't there because the facts are in dispute; the tag is there because there are no reliable sources quoted for the information, as there should be in accordance with Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. Cheers --Pak21 20:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I see.  Brian McCandless and Grey Larson are both well respected authorities on Irish music in general and I would consider them to be reliable within the WP:RS guidelines.  As good quality material on this subject is scarce (this article is actually one of the best summaries of what is known on the subject available), I think the tag can be legitimately removed. Calum 16:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the page was originally Scottish Pastoral Pipes.  Actually the editing is not quite accurate, a little bit biased, and doesn't give the fuller picture.  I just cannot get involved in editing it presently as I have other things on hand. Otherwise it is very nicely presented in the main. 86.42.128.231 18:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What exactly is factually disputed here?

message: I think it's a bit absurd to have two different articles entitled Pastoral Pipes and Pastoral pipes (note capitalization!). I'm proposing merging them, but I'm not doing it right away in case anyone would like to suggest a different name for one article or the other and keep them separate. --Craig Stuntz 13:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As it has been over a month with no more comments or edits to either page, I will merge them to fulfill User:Craig Stuntz's request. Jlittlet 23:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge