Talk:David Mason (trumpeter)

message: It seems pretty obvious that this needs to go, as this has nothing to do with anything important.  This kid's ego-trip doesn't belong here, or anywhere, for that matter.
ProfessorFokker 08:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  the last paragraph 

message: I feel that the redirect was a mistake. Mason is significant in his own right, not just as a footnote to the Beatles song. Sure, the article needs more, but removing it was not the way to fix it. 138.37.199.206 (talk) 12:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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message: I added back in "Although such piccolo trumpet solos are almost commonplace in some types of pop now, now this was seen as innovative at the time and was among the first such uses." Trouble is, though this is (I think) obvious to anyone who knows any pop, and thus useful to readers of the encyclopaedia who do not, I am not sure what evidential standard is required. Did anyone in any of these Beatles books say "gosh wow this had never been done before"? Otherwise we are left with negative proof, i.e. "cite me a pop song with a picc before PL?" which seems a bit useless ... Suggestions? DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 22:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly resolved: I found one, in the George Martin book, where he claims it's the first - and, arguably, he would know. A full chronology/discography of "every piccolo trumpet solo in pop music in the world ever" might take a tiny while longer ... :) DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 12:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Thank you for the comments. I'm a little confused, perhaps because I don't multitask very well these days, sorry. Am I wrong to think that your second point regarding "innovative" is somewhat bound up in your first, regarding whether there are other examples of piccolo solos in pop? If there are other examples, later than Penny Lane, then would this make it innovative? I'm thinking of Let's All Chant by the Michael Zager (sp?) Band; Old Town by The Corrs; there's a massive one on a Clint Eastwood film score (is that pop??); there's a very pseudo-Baroque one at the end of Liebe liegt nicht on 12 (Herbert Grönemeyer album). on a recent(ish) Herbert Groenemeyer album, possibly 12. I'm not sure that George Martin's career makes him a bad source for the newness of the idea - he's not a music historian, certainly, but he is music history, and unless we think he's lying or self-deluding, or unless there's a reliable source making it clear how many piccolo solos there were in pop before Penny Lane, why isn't he a reasonable source for this? Best wishes DBaK (talk) 11:17, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Having read your interesting points I'm a bit worried that I am maybe a bit self-deluding here, and have perhaps been viewing the situation through somewhat trumpet-coloured spectacles. (Personal interests and knowledge etc etc blah blah drone.) There is certainly more to discuss here (vogue, timing, Brandenburg II etc) but it could get a bit nit-picky of me, and actually I think the article might well benefit from my leaving it alone for a bit. Why don't you edit it more towards what you think is correct and I or others can comment, or indeed shut up. as appropriate? :) And by the way I thought your edit and argument regarding the "best known" wording was fine, and that it was good to get RVW 9 in up there too. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 10:42, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Sounds very reasonable! Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 16:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commonplace vs innovative 

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