Talk:Distinguished Service Order

message: This is a highly confusing article. Perhaps someone familiar with the decoration could clean it up a tad?
:The reason why it is confusing is despite the name of the decoration and the fact that it is "for distinguished services during active operations against the enemy" it was perceived until 1993 as a gallantry award. It certainly was frequently awarded to junior officers for gallantry in the First World War, to a lesser extent in the Second World War with two final awards to junior officers in Korea. After Korea it was purely a commander’s award for distinguished services during active operations against the enemy. The criticism then was that all commanders received the award whether they deserved it or not. The DSO is a decoration awarded to the military but it is not a military decoration in the real world outside Wikipedia. It is a decoration of the Imperial or British honours system and which part of the British Empire and/or Commonwealth were participating at what times should not appear in an entry on the DSO but in the entry on the Imperial or British honours system. As noted the DSO was instituted in 1886 for senior officers but it was soon awarded to junior officers for gallantry since there was no award between the Victoria Cross and being mentioned in despatches until the creation of the Military Cross in 1914. From 1914 until it was stopped in 1916, a small number of the DSO, MC and DCM awards were approved for meritorious service. Since 1993, its award has been restricted solely for distinguished service (i.e. leadership and command) which is what was intended in the first place. Anthony Staunton (talk) 16:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing

message: Could someone please addd Douglas BAder to the list of recipients with DSO and bar De Mattia (talk) 08:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Douglas Bader 

message: Should there be a category for recipients of this medal, similar to the other British honours?--Peta 03:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recipients

message: While not exhaustive, the following list contains some names which could be considered for deletion:
*John Percy Farrar
*William Antrobus Griesbach
*Roland Gwynne
*John Howard
*Frank Rhodes
*Terence Otway
*Sir Ivor Maxse
Apologies in advance to friends/relatives who may disagree!
I suggest that anyone who was awarded the DSO more than once should be included as 'notable' for that reason alone.--TraceyR (talk) 14:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A single bar is far from rare (just from the figures in the article 62 for RAF officers in WWII, so the numebrs for all services must be over a hundred, then include Commonwealth forces too), even including those with two bars would make the list pretty unwieldy - if we were to be truly exhaustive.  I think essentially we're looking for those people (as I've said before) where we could make a reasonable case for them being notable purely by virtue of their association with the DSO alone.  So those with 3 bars yes, possibly Dayan and Peniakoff as non-Commonwealth citizens serving in British units (though in passing I've been unable to verify Dayan's receipt of the medal), and in fact even a quick search on The National Archives website turns up a number of foreign nationals (albeit serving with their own forces) who were awarded the DSO http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=scope%3ddistinguished%20service%20order&catid=22&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=* (slightly curiously a search on "bar to the distinguished service order" only turned up 3 results) David Underdown (talk) 15:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candidates for 'culling' 

message: Please correct em if I'm being really dense and I've simply missed his name on the list but I'm sure Wilfred Owen, the world war 2 war poet, was awarded the DSO. HJMitchell  You rang?  23:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wilfred Owen]] 

message: DSO, OB : see http://www.ordredelaliberation.fr/fr_compagnon/524.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.132.62.66 (talk) 08:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, I'll add it to his article as well then.  David Underdown (talk) 09:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Marie-Pierre Koenig

message: See : http://www.ordredelaliberation.fr/fr_compagnon/613.html
Translation welcome...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.22.120.14 (talk) 14:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippe Livry-Level

message: Following on from a discussion above from 2008 about notable recipients do we need some way to constrain the list from random adding of companions. We have a category of over a thousand holders what make them notable for inclusion in this article. I would think those awarded a bar or two are notable to the award but I am not sure about the others. Any ideas? MilborneOne (talk) 12:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree DSO and Bar should be considered notable for this article. While many recipients of the DSO will be notable in their own right. If we added everyone who was awarded the DSO the list could be endless. If no objections I will trim the article. --Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Even a single bar would probably give us over a hundred recipients.  As I tried to explain before, I think this section should be more like the one in Military Cross, talk about siginificant firsts, first award, first woman (when it happens) or most bars, or any particularly unusual circumstance leading to the award.  David Underdown (talk) 14:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can agree with that. --Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Seems a reasonable idea. MilborneOne (talk) 18:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Support. The present list seems random and if the qualification for the list is that the name produces a blue link, then it just duplicates the Category. Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 21:39, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable recipients

message: See "Ordre de la Libération" 
See photo (www.pierre-clostermann.com/decorations) 
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.64.182.240 (talk) 15:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pierre-Henri Clostermann ? 

message: Although this is an order, it is actually a military meddle which was second only to the VC. It has since been superseded by the Conspicuous Gallantry Medal. So what this has to do with the Victorian Order and precedence, I don't know?? Very convoluted article and it's using the wrong infobox as it's a military award not a civilian one.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.57.172 (talk) 01:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Many did see the DSO as second only to the Victoria Cross. However, the Australian statistics of only 18% First World War awards and only 14% Second World War awards to junior officers, which was probably typical of all DSO awards, indicates it was not a pure gallantry award but a prestigious award also given for gallantry. In 1993, the situation was rectified and at the same time the Conspicuous Gallantry Cross was created to replace the Military Cross (created 1914) and the Distinguished Conduct Medal (created 1854) as the second highest gallantry award for both officers and men. The Military Medal (created 1916) was replaced by the Military Cross which had previously been the second highest gallantry award for officers as the third highest gallantry award for both officers and men. As to the wrong infobox the concept of military awards and civilian awards is a Wikipedia invention which is not reflected in the real world.Anthony Staunton (talk) 01:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing article

message: * Michael Olaf Chetwynd Dobbin, Grenadier Guards. Dobbin received the DSO at the rank of Captain, just three years after he received the Military Cross.Source 1 & Source 2
:What a beat up by the Daily Mail. My congratulations to Captain Dobbin for his second award. It is good to see it being awarded to other than unit commanders. The DSO was always an award for leadership in action although in a small number of cases in both world wars it was given to junior officers for gallantry. The gallantry awards for Army officers and men since the John Major changes are the Victoria Cross, Conspicuous Gallantry Cross and the Military Cross. The DSO is a prestigious award which has not been awarded for gallantry since Korea. Anthony Staunton (talk) 08:11, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain receives DSO 

message: Since the medal is still awarded (and has been awarded since the end of WWII), shouldn't there be a count of how many have been awarded under Queen Elizabeth II? 03:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There should, but the number doesn't seem to be available (and, of course, it grow from time to time). For that reason I've removed the "Total" from the statistics box. — Stanning (talk) 16:04, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Era 

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