Category talk:Ontario provincial highways

message: I asked elsewhere, is someone willing to make a template so we can put all the ontario highways into a series, as our amis in Quebec have done??
Bacl-presby 00:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: template

message: Soliciting outside comment: should articles without a number in their title, such as Queen Elizabeth Way, Main Street Tunnel, Thousand Islands Parkway, etc. be sorted on the actual title of the article, or on hidden highway numbers like "451" and "7146" that aren't in the title and usually have no meaning to anyone besides the Ministry of Transportation and about 50 roadgeek subscribers to the Yahoo ontroads list? Bearcat 18:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole point of this category is to contain the numbered King's Highways of Ontario. --SPUI (T - C) 06:34, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole point of this category is to organize all articles relating to the provincial highway system in Ontario, whether they're numbered roads or not, in a format that is readily understandable to readers regardless of their knowledge level. Nobody ever said the point was to reflect numbered highways only; not all King's Highways in Ontario are numbered roads. Bearcat 08:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which King's Highways are not numbered roads? And don't say QEW - that has a "hidden" number as well as the signed "number" QEW. --SPUI (T - C) 08:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the last fucking time, hidden internal inventory numbers are irrelevant. You do NOT title or sort an article with a name that nobody reading the article recognizes. And at any rate: the Thousand Islands Parkway is a non-numbered road. The Long Sault Parkway is a non-numbered road. And given that a hidden internal inventory number that has never, ever been publicly posted on said highway is irrelevant to Wikipedia titling conventions, the Queen Elizabeth Way is indeed a non-numbered road. Bearcat 08:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Thousand Islands Parkway is not a King's Highway. --SPUI (T - C) 09:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a part of the provincial highway system. Bearcat 09:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for that? Either way, that doesn't refute my statement that every King's Highway is numbered. --SPUI (T - C) 09:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't make your statement relevant to the matter, either. Bearcat 09:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly does - all King's Highways are numbered, so let's sort them by those numbers. --SPUI (T - C) 09:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sort them by the numbers if the number is in the proper and correct title of the article. If the number isn't in the title, sort by what is in the title. This really isn't hard to understand. Bearcat 09:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you understand how arbitrary the title is - there is no "proper and correct title" when deciding whether to use the number or name. --SPUI (T - C) 09:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is; when a highway has a public, common name and a number that's known only to insiders and was abandoned thirty years ago or has never been publicly posted on the highway, then the name is the proper and correct title; Wikipedia has a rule that in any case where a specific naming policy for that class of articles hasn't already been set forth, the "most common name" prevails. Bearcat 17:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

text: False comparison; Highway 137 doesn't have any other possible title besides its highway number. Bearcat 09:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Backwards in any case on the chronology of Highway 137, the road *was* unsigned (or signed as "To Interstate 81" until about a year ago, when the signage on the 401 and the Parkway was changed to replace "I-81 Hill Island USA" with "137 Hill Island, Ontario" and the I-81 indicators moved to secondary signposts as seemingly an afterthought. --carlb 14:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category sorting

message: As per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#Man-made objects, by country categories of such things are named "in country".  I believe the same convention should be applied to Provinces of Canada and therefore, the sub-categories of Provincial highways in Canada should be renamed in the style Provincial highways in <province>, and this category should be renamed Provincial highways in Ontario.  RayGates 15:53, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another proposal to rename this category