Talk:Shadow of the Colossus

message: Is there any way of mentioning the fact that it was in that film but without such a quick referrence as a full section it currently has? I mean it doesn't really suit the FA standard as it currently is. I mean if we could expand on that in a non trivial way and mentioning other media it has been referrenced in if possible (the only other I know would be The Simpsons Game). Stabby Joe (talk) 19:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The significance of SotC being featured in that film remains unclear to me ("Oh, it was in a film. That's nice. So what?"), but we have IP after IP wishing to include it and this add-remove-add-remove cycle can't carry on forever. I suppose we ould shoehorn it into the reception section somehow - it wouldn't fit well there but it might be the best compromise. What's definitely not going to stay is an entire section devoted to just one line of worthless trivia. – Steel 01:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good because before I was removing it with the reason "see dicussion" but then I remembered that last time it was settled through messages so now we actually have a "see discussion"  Stabby Joe (talk) 15:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Media? 

message: This Featured Article has a total of three dead external links, which can be found here. Please fix them as soon as possible. Thanks! --haha169 (talk) 00:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Atleast 4 dead links, please fix. — Dispenser 00:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:VG External Links check

message: The Characters section previously claimed that the story "revolves around three characters" (Wander, Agro, and Mono) and "includes a small supporting cast including Dormin and Lord Emon."  I have modified that to include Dormin as one of the central characters, rather than part of a supporting cast.  Since Dormin is one of the main driving forces of the plot, and appears after each colossus is defeated, and speaks to Wander during the battles, it seems ridiculous to say he's only part of the 'supporting cast'--after all, he has more speaking lines during the game than any other character, and the much of the ending sequence is pretty much all about him.  
--Politizer (talk) 02:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dormin--major character, not supporting cast

message: 24.13.60.69 has removed Puzzle from the genres section of the infobox; I added Platform since the game is also called a platformer in the lead-in (albeit as of a recent edit by a new user), but 24.13.60.69 has removed that and repeatedly reverted my edits.  Can we come to a consensus here about what genres should be listed.  IGN currently lists it as "3rd-person adventure" in their profile of it and as "adventure" here, but I also have seen it frequently labelled a platformer (the only example I have on hand is this).  —Politizer( talk • contribs ) 03:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think something along the lines of "3rd person adventure" is probably best. Gamespot uses "fantasy action adventure" which I quite like since it seems the most accurate of the lot. I've not seen SotC called a platform game anywhere - allgame only states that it has "platform-game style" elements which is different to calling the game as a whole a platformer. – Steel 13:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that sounds good to me; if you want to remove Platform from the infobox that's fine.  I was just getting tired of the multiple reverts without any consensus having been reached.  But yeah, if you want to leave it at Adventure, Action Adventure, or something along those lines, I won't revert it.  —Politizer( talk • contribs ) 13:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. I've done that. – Steel 13:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, the official Japanese site calls it an "action-adventure" game. So I think we're good. Erigu (talk) 02:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which genres to include in infobox? 

message: In this edit, Judgesurreal777 removed that image, saying we already have a character image.  Do we?  I skimmed through the article, and this was the only clear image I saw of the character's face.  I didn't want to revert, though, because I figured maybe you think an image of the character's face is unnecessary when some of the other images show the character (although in less detail and clarity, I think) and I figured it would be better to discuss here first.  Personally, my vote would be to keep the image in, but again, I don't want to just revert without hearing your thoughts.—Politizer( talk • contribs ) 04:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Over at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Wikipedia_0.7_workshop, someone had mentioned that this article had too many fair use images, so I cut the one that seemed to add the least to the article, since the others are gameplay, one shows the main character and one of the colossus, so I thought that would be the best to cut. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I do agree with Judgesurreal that an image of the character's face is less important than one showing him "in action" during gameplay.  But if removing the unnecessary soundtrack album cover near the bottom allows us to keep that in, that seems like a pretty good tradeoff to me.  —Politizer( talk • contribs ) 14:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of [[:Image:Shadow of the Colossus (2005) - Mono and Wander.jpg]] 

message: "He has a small group of soldiers at his command, and is pursuing Wander to prevent the use of "the forbidden spell", the ritual involving the destruction of the sixteen colossi.[26] Emon and his men were trained by the Rhodesian Army in 1977, and served in the Grey's Scouts horse cavalry unit in the Rhodesian Bush War."
 
what's that suppose to mean
:Vandalism. Reverted. — Blue。 11:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhodesian war? 

message: What does :File:Shadow of the Colossus (2005) - Mono and Wander.jpg do for this article? Why do we need a non-free image to show what Wander and Mono look like—as far as I can tell, the article contains no critical commentary on their designs. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 13:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an improvement, but I still am not convinced that a picture is necessary just to illustrate that the characters both have long hair (the prose explains that pretty well). rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 16:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-free image 

message: The article says that the first two Colossi can be defeated in a straightforward manner but the majority of the following battles requires the player to use the surrounding environment. But I don't recall any necessity for the environment against the third Colossus. It wasn't until the fourth Colossus that the player needed to use the surrounding environment to defeat the foe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.117.40 (talk) 00:24, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to stand on a stone block to get him to break his bracelet thing. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Colossi Needs Environment To Be Defeated? 

message: Hi everybody! Does anyone know which book or article ref 35 (Ciccoricco 2008) came from, so that it could be cited fully (title, publisher, page number, etc). Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:38, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the same as ref 71. I'll edit it. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:45, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. Thank you for clearing that up. It makes more sense now. Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ciccoricco 2008 ? 

message: They took their name from the videogame, also the band's logo, album artwork and song's lyrics are related to the game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11f2-1-bG-0&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLB256679AC81431B4
http://www.facebook.com/SOTCofficial
 
I think this must be mentioned, but i don't know in what part of the article place it.
Nicrorus (talk) 02:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's mentioned on the page now, I really think they're notable enough to be mentioned on the article, I mean they made two full lengths, fairly popular in heavy music and they have the drummer from Molotov Solution and basically the entire lineup from Fate (another popular deathcore band around the time of MySpace). If this was just a crappy ReverbNation band I wouldn't have bothered but they really are something to be talked about if a article about the video game they're based upon exists Second Skin (talk) 21:37, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: After discussion of this on the Noticeboard for Reliable Sources, I believe it is appropriate to remove this from the article. Please see here Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_210#Shadow_of_the_Colossus_.2F_Deathcore_band. Kevinjaems (talk) 20:18, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never thought this should be in the article. – Steel 10:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is a metal band called "Shadow of the Colossus" 

message: An artbook for Shadow of the Colossus was released exclusively in Japan, and contains over two hundred pages of information. It can be read online here, but as I said, it's Japanese, and the accompanying translations are incomplete and unconfirmed. There's an article about the artbook over at the Team Ico Wiki, and it contains a list of things which it claims to have been revealed in the artbook, such as:
*The voice heard whenever Wander defeats a colossus is Mono, asking him to stop. The voice grown stronger because she is gradually restored to life throughout the game.
*Time does not flow in the Forbidden Lands; it was frozen as part of the spell that imprisoned Dormin. This is why it always seems to be daytime. When Wander arrives at the beginning of the game, the seal begins to loosen, and the flow of time slowly begins to reassert itself. By the end of the game, time is flowing again, which is presumably why the final colossus (whose location is called "The Broken Seal") is fought during the night.
*The credits montage shows what Mono sees when she is resurrected.
*Agro's survival after falling off the bridge is miraculous, and the developers think that a supernatural force intervened to save her.
*The hawks at the beginning and the ending of the game are one and the same; this is meant to convey they idea that the game's story is a legend, being told and retold.
There's plenty more where that came from, including details on the game's original alternate ending, which was planned to be accessible to players who had Ico game saves on their memory cards. A fan wiki isn't a reliable source, so I'm hoping a Japanese speaker will be able to confirm whether this is an accurate description of the information in the artbook. If so, it belongs in the Wikipedia article too. —Flax5 15:37, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information in Japanese artbook 

message: I will admt that I didn't look at the reference, as it had no web link, but I believe that Argo is male. In-game, when one first plays and is taught how to ride Wander's horse, it calls Argo, "him." Shall we change the current wording to "him" then, or if this should be controversial change the wording to "it"? The Sackinator (talk) 16:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese source for "she" is longstanding and genuine, so I'd hesitate to toss it out completely. Instead I've rephrased the entire paragraph to avoid pronouns, and added one extra sentence about the conflicting sources. I've also included the exact line where the in game instructions use "him". Rapture's Sander Cohen (talk) 21:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Bravo! The latest revision looks great. The Sackinator (talk) 20:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Argo is a female?

message: Using the Checklinks tool, I've updated this article's dead links. A few notes:
* Ref 10 (fixed) 404 error. Page cannot be crawled by Wayback due to Robots.txt. Updated with current URL on Gamespot.com.
* Ref 14 (fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 18 (fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 29 (fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 34 (fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 44 (fixed) 404 error. Page cannot be crawled by Wayback due to Robots.txt. Page no longer available on Gamespot.com. Updated with archive.today.
* Ref 46 (fixed) connection issue. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 59 (fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 67 (replaced) see below.
* Ref 70 (removed) see below.
* Ref 71 (now 70)(fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 75 (now 74)(fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 77 (now 76)(fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 79 (now 78)(fixed) redirect loop. Page cannot be crawled by Wayback due to Robots.txt. Page no longer available on Gamespot.com. Updated with archive.today.
* Ref 80 (now 79)(fixed) redirect loop. Page cannot be crawled by Wayback due to Robots.txt. Page no longer available on Gamespot.com. Updated with archive.today.
* Ref 81 (now 80)(fixed) redirect loop. Page cannot be crawled by Wayback due to Robots.txt. Page no longer available on Gamespot.com. Updated with archive.today.
* Ref 82 (now 81)(fixed) redirect loop. Page cannot be crawled by Wayback due to Robots.txt. Page no longer available on Gamespot.com. Updated with archive.today.
* Ref 83 (now 82)(fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 84 (now 83)(fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 85 (now 84)(fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 88 (now 87)(not fixed) 404 error. No archive exists on Wayback, WebCite, or archive.today. A search on GamesRadar didn't turn up anything. Added dead link tag.
* Ref 92 (now 91)(fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
* Ref 93 (now 92)(fixed) 404 error. Updated with Wayback.
Some other problems I noticed:
Ref 20 - An erroneous citation follows the ref tag named "ignpreview" at the end of the second to last paragraph in the development section. The problem is that (1) this reference is to 1up.com, and (2) the refname "ignpreview" is used elsewhere in the article (with a different set of cite web parameters), causing this citation to not show up in the refernces section. Here is the erroneous citation. Someone who is more familiar with the article, please add this back in where appropriate and with the correct citation data. 
cite web | author=IGN site staff | year=2005 | title=Shadow of the Colossus PS2 Preview | url=http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3142480&did=1 | work=1UP.com | accessdate=August 2, 2006
Ref 67 - While I did find an archive of the original citation, I think it'd be better to directly cite Famitsu.com's page for SOTC rather than a third party reprint of a third party reprint. Updated with new citation.
Ref 70 - This dead link simply linked to the reviews section on Gamespot.com, and  the only archive redirects to the review cited in Ref 10. However, since the citation is apparently used to back up a claim about Eurogamer (which already has the proper source), and since it is only referenced once, I'm removing it instead of merging it. If you feel this was done in error, please replace it with Ref 10 (refname "gamespotreview") instead on adding back the broken link. Below is the removed citation.
ref name="scores" cite web | editor=GameSpot site staff | year=2005 | title=Shadow of the Colossus for PlayStation 2 Reviews | url=http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/wandaandthecolossus/review.html?mode=web | work=GameSpot | accessdate=July 30, 2006
Ref 71 (now 70) - No consensus was reached in the brief discussion over using Thunderbolt as a reference. Since there is certainly a wealth of reviews for this game, someone more familiar with the subject matter might consider replacing it. Here is a list of sources considered reliable by WPVG, and here is a custom google search that only searches sites on the reliable source list.
Ref 78, 79, 80, 81 - All had identical citation data (excepting URL). I modified the citation names with page numbers to distinguish between them.
Ref 83, 84, 85 - All had identical citation data (excepting URL). I modified the citation names with page numbers to distinguish between them.
This review was not comprehensive and there may be problems I missed. Someone more familiar with the article might want to go through and review the other citations to make sure everything else is in order. --chrisFjordson (talk) 03:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Links 

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message: A number of the sources used in this discussion are either dubious, or listed as marginal or unreliable at WP:VG/RS.  If these sources are not replaced with high-quality RS, this article may undergo a featured article review.  List is below.
Dubious
* TrustedReviews
* Press Start Online
* The Gaming Intelligence Agency
* Insert Credit (no consensus)
* Cane and Rinse
* Zone of the Gamers
* GameChew
* Find Articles
* ControllerFreaks
* Kikizo (no consensus)
* Thunderbolt (no consensus)
* Destructoid (situational, is Chad Concelmo a reliable author?)
* Kotaku circe 2007 and 2009 (post-2010 is listed as okay, but two are from before then)
* HeyUGuys
Sources that are listed as unreliable at VGRS and need replaced
* Neoseeker
* Nintendo Everything
Hog Farm  Bacon 04:19, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
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