Talk:Panchen Lama

message: I've removed the NPOV tag from the article since there is no ongoing discussion, and, presumably then, no conflict. If editors have objections to the neutrality of this article, please revert my change and list your grievances here. --Gimme danger (talk) 15:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV, Redux 

message: There's a series of articles given in external links detailing the PRC view of the Panchen Lama lineage. These articles should be incorporated through inline citation in this and related articles. (This is partly a note to myself that this needs to be done, and partly a call to action for other editors. I'll get to it eventually, but it would be fabulous if someone else could take this up in the meantime.) --Gimme danger (talk) 01:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese POV incorporation 

message: After a recent discussion at Talk:14th Dalai Lama, all of the articles on the individual Dalai Lamas were moved from the format "Personal Name, Xth Dalai Lama" to simply "Xth Dalai Lama". I think this is the right format. When referring to a Dalai Lama in English, if it's necessary to differentiate between more than one of them, I think that "Xth Dalai Lama" is much more common than using the personal name. I would suggest following the same pattern for the Panchen Lamas, whose articles currently all are titled simply by the personal name. So, Choekyi Gyaltsen would move to 10th Panchen Lama. I think we should make an exception for Khedrup Je, who is better known by that name. Also, it would not be possible to have an article titled 11th Panchen Lama, since the controversy over his identity is ongoing. Any ideas?—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 01:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as the lamas are all consistent, I am fine with moving. Gryffindor (talk) 08:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of the articles on the Panchen Lamas 

message: I have some concerns about the "Hierarchy of Tibetan Buddhism" section, which was added to several articles. Please see my comments at Talk:Tibetan Buddhism#"Hierarchy of Tibetan Buddhism" section.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 01:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hierarchy of Tibetan Buddhism 

message: Is there any neutral reference like the official rules from Qing Dynasty's history record but from neither PRC or Tibet government in exile? Besides, the "www.tibet.org" only provides history before Qianlong and the use of Golden Urn. 
 
I went through zh:欽定藏內善後章程. It only states that
 達賴喇嘛和班禪額爾德尼像父子一樣，認定他們的靈童時，亦須將他們的名字用滿漢藏三種文字寫在籤牌上，同樣進行
It said Dalai and Panchen were like father and son, but not like who gets to choose the next of the other.--Tricia Takanawa (talk) 20:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dalai chooses next Panchen and vice versa? 

message: I believe the conflict between the Dalai Lama-run organization and the Chinese authorities is central enough to warrant a mention in the intro section. __meco (talk) 08:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict should be in the introduction 

message: There seems to be a discrepency in the list of Panchen Lamas concerning who is the "first" Panchen Lama. The Dalai Lama, the NKT, and the FPMT all list Lobsang Chökyi Gyalsten as the First Panchen Lama, not the Fourth. I inquired about this and it was explained to me that the posthumous naming convention currently used in the article is the Chinese naming convention, not the Tibetan. At minimum, both naming conventions should be listed in the table and an explanation for the difference given. Any thoughts? Emptymountains (talk) 11:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Panchen Lamas 

message: Is this the same position described in Sven Hedin's My Life as an Explorer as the Tashi Lama? The Tashi Lama whom Hedin met also lived in Shigatse. If so, it should be included in the introduction that this is another term (maybe outmoded?) Parsecboy (talk) 20:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, older English sources often refer to the Panchen Lama as Tashi Lama. Actually, I often wonder how "official" or "correct" names like "Panchen Lama" or "Dalai Lama" are. It is well known that Tibetans rarely refer to the Dalai Lama as Dalai Lama when they are speaking Tibetan, instead using various epithets such as Kundün or Ghongsa Chog. I don't know what term Tibetans most commonly use for the Panchen Lama. There are English variants such as "Panchen Rinpoche" (used by Tsering Shakya) and "Panchen Erdeni" (especially in Chinese sources, since it emphasises ties to the Qing). In any event, "Panchen Lama" is the English standard right now.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 00:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The panchem lama is referred to as Teshoo Lama here.Rajmaan (talk) 04:23, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tashi Lama? 

message: This guy is usually called Panchen Erdeni by Chinese, a title given by Kangxi Emperor. Erdeni is a Manchu word.--刻意(Kèyì) 01:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Panchen Erdeni

message: Panchen Lama is the highest ranking Lama in Tibetan Buddhism after the Dalai Lama. The current 14th Dalai Lama has appointed Gedhun Choekyi Nyima as the new Panchen Lama in a Chinese-occupied Tibet. The middle-man in the Chinese-occupied Tibet who assisted Dalai Lama in appointing Panchen Lama was immediately arrested and charged with treason, and the newly appointed Panchen Lama went missing at the age of six. One year later, the Chinese government unilaterally selected a Panchen Lama for themselves, who is Gyaincain Norbu. The dispute here is whether Panchen Lama appointed by the PRC should be among the traditional line of Panchen Lamas in a template. The article current has two templates, one for the traditional Panchen Lamas, and another one for Panchen Lamas appointed by PRC. Any input is welcome, thank you. Cydevil38 (talk) 02:36, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC on Panchen Lama of Tibet and Panchen Lama of PRC templates 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Maybe an "in the media" section should be added about some of the press coverage this has gotten. The John Oliver interview from last night (March 2016) was funny but covered the situation fairly well.Jeffery Thomas 16:44, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Oliver Interview Dalai Lama Over Reincarnation Controversy 

message: The previous leading section, written by User:Freetibet1 lacks even the most basic information on the subject. Please stop reverting it back. Esiymbro (talk) 10:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leading section