Talk:WWE Championship

message: WrestleMania 38 match was a title unification match, but OK WWE kept it active. lets look back. The 1905 original professional wrestling World Heavyweight Championship title was won by NWA World Heavyweight Champion Lou Thesz in 1956 and in 1957 the original title Championship was retired and NWA Championship carried its lineage and Lou Thesz was still the Champion. While Buddy Rogers was the champion he  defeated by  him in a one falls match in 1963 but the rule was that Championships can only change hands in 2 out of 3 falls match so WWWF split and made what is now knonw as the WWWE Championship which Rogers was awarded, however the original title's lineage was carried on by NWA still. Now in 1991 while Ric Flair was Champion WCW split form NWA, this time they split while Flair was the valid champion and gave him the brand new WCW World heavyweight Championship, while NWA kept pretending they retained the lineage, no now WCW World Heavyweight Championship was the real deal. This title was unified with the WWE Championship by Chris Jericho at WWE Vengeance 2001  and since then WWE Championship carried the lineage (the 2002 title awarded to HHH was no way linked to it its purely "primary claim" In 2022 at WM 38 Universal Champion Roman Reigns defeated WWE Champion Brock Lesner to unify the titles, realistically speaking and from historic, traditional and neutral perspective WWE Championship should have been deactivated then but no Reigns was listed as holder of both, which is pure primary source. Still ok Reigns did win it so we can count it, but when Cody Rhodes defeated Roman Reigns for the Universal Championship at WM 40 in 2024, not the WWE Championship, Cody never challenged for the WWE Championship, it is now represented by the single belt and is purely the Universal Championship in  2016. Only WWE claims it active which is WP:Primary, and by all historic accounts Roman reigns was the final one to win it and the moment he was defeated by Cody Rhodes for the "Universal Championship" on April 7, 2024, the WWE Championship became inactive and its lineage is carried on by the Universal Championship now so this title is deactivated as of April 7, 2024! Dilbaggg (talk) 09:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: WWE lists both titles as active and has recorded Cody the new champion of both. The titles aren't officially unified, they're both active but represented by one belt. So on Sunday Cody won both titles. — Czello (music) 09:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Czello But you are always against WP:Primary, this should apply here too, by all traditional logic Reigns was the final one to win the title and the moment he lost it became deactivated and Cody won the Universal Championship not the WWE Championship, and the WWE Championship has been deactivated from that moment with lineage continuing through the Universal Championship! If not, by that logic WCW Championship is still active, Cody would be triple Champion WCW, WWE and Universal Champion! Anyway its weird coming from you given your stance against using primary sources! Dilbaggg (talk) 09:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Primary sources can be used when we're stating what the company themselves are saying – they're not outright prohibited (see the guideline you linked). In this instance WWE says that both titles are still active. Why do you believe that it was deactivated when Cody won the title? Do you have any sources that state this? I find it very unlikely WWE would deactivate their oldest and most prestegious title. — Czello (music) 09:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: WCW world heavyweight championship was deactivated when Jericho won it unifying it with WWEC, when HHH won it at WM 18 hge won the undisputed WWEC, by that point the WCW world title was deactivated permanently and WWEC carried its lineage, same way should be with Cody's reiime is of the Universal Championship which carries the lineage of the WWEC but the WWEC title itself is obsolete like the WCW world title is, otherwise by your loigic WCW world title is still active everyone who won the WWEC since 2002 has also won the WCW World Heavyweight Champion, by that logic as I said Cody holds three titles (WCW, WWE, and Universal) not two. But point is the WM 38 match was a title unification bout, WWE lists WWEC as active purely for marketing strategy but it was unified with the Universal Championship, it no longer exists, the Universal Championship carries its lineage and Cody in 2024 didn't in the WWEC but the Universal Championship! Anyway thats the last thing i say about it, hope you understand now. Dilbaggg (talk) 10:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This is WP:OR. If you believe Cody's victory deactivated the title you need a source that says that. — Czello (music) 10:31, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the major difference between these comparisons is that WWE didn't continue to list the WCW title as active after Jericho won it. They are doing that right now with the WWE championship. — Czello (music) 10:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok i will add one more comment on this (for now), what WWE said thats Wp:Primary, see there are actually sources that says after Cody won the title became inactive  @Czello Dilbaggg (talk) 11:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: ... this source doesn't mention Cody at all, nor does it say the title became inactive. Are you sure you read the article? Also see WP:METRO – this source isn't reliable anyway. — Czello (music) 11:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, but your reading comprehension is so terrible that I have to question your fundamental competence to edit at all. Besides if any title is getting deactivated it's the Universal title, which is redundant now that they have the new WHC. The only reason they kept it around after the unification match at WM 38 is because Roman won that one first, meaning his "historic" reign dated from when he won that title, and not when he won the WWE title off of Brock. Had the situation been reversed and Roman already held the WWE title and won the Universal title off Brock, the Universal title would probably have been quietly retired already. oknazevad (talk) 21:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Okay for one, that article you linked is not a reliable source at all, espcially when youre saying WWE.com is not. They list the WWE and Universal title separtely. Secondly, that article doesn't even mention the WWE title, Universal Title, Roman Reigns, or Cody Rhodes. This website that is known as the best resource for keeping track of wrestling data, Cagematch.net,lists the match as for the WWE and Universal Titles. And lastly, if you watched WWE programing the last week, Cody himself, the announcers, and commentators have all referred to him as the Undisputed WWE Champion, specifically without the Universal name, so if anything, the not 10 year old title is gonna be dropped not, not he 70-80+ or whatever. Be real. 142.67.121.175 (talk) 01:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lineage still continues? It should be deactivated now! 

message: On the WWE website, The WWE Championship is now named The Undisputed WWE Championship and the title history shows that of the WWE Championship. The WWE Universal Championship is no longer shown to be part of that title https://www.wwe.com/superstars  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.236.62 (talk) 03:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: And that's already vanished. Glad no one impulsively moved the page. I've been to their website three times today, and every time the name under Cody's picture on the roll all of champions has been different. At one point they even had two separate listings for the WWE and Universal titles. The point, simply put, is we don't have a definitive answer yet, and we really need to just wait for things to settle before we do any moves or other major changes. Just wait. There is no deadline. oknazevad (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: While that has vanished, it's worth noting the "champions" section of the superstars doesn't show the Universal Championship and calls the WWE title the "Undisputed WWE Championship". However, if you click on Cody and go on his profile, it shows that the title was renamed to the "WWE Championship" and he still holds the Universal Championship lineage. To add to that, if you check the WWE Championship, the description still calls it the "Undisputed WWE Championship". I'd wait until confirmation from the company themselves. Thatoneguylol101 (talk) 00:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: See conversation above; the situation appears to be fluid right now. — Czello (music) 13:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE Website updates WWE Championship Name 

message: WWE now recognizes the title as the Undisputed WWE Championship, as seen here: https://www.wwe.com/titlehistory/wwe-championship Thatoneguylol101 (talk) 05:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: And that's already vanished. Glad no one impulsively moved the page. I've been to their website three times today, and every time the name under Cody's picture on the roll all of champions has been different. At one point they even had two separate listings for the WWE and Universal titles. The point, simply put, is we don't have a definitive answer yet, and we really need to just wait for things to settle before we do any moves or other major changes. Just wait. There is no deadline. oknazevad (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: While that has vanished, it's worth noting the "champions" section of the superstars doesn't show the Universal Championship and calls the WWE title the "Undisputed WWE Championship". However, if you click on Cody and go on his profile, it shows that the title was renamed to the "WWE Championship" and he still holds the Universal Championship lineage. To add to that, if you check the WWE Championship, the description still calls it the "Undisputed WWE Championship". I'd wait until confirmation from the company themselves. Thatoneguylol101 (talk) 00:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary for recent edit.  

message: The current name for the championship is the Undisputed WWE Championship, (see WWE.com) so it should say (UNDISPUTED WWE UNIVERSAL CHAMPIONSHIP 2022-2024 and the new name should be Undisputed WWE CHAMPIONSHIP 2024-Present Sixburgh786 (talk) 13:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: See conversation above; the situation appears to be fluid right now. — Czello (music) 13:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2024