Talk:Ode to Billy Joe (film)

message: Is there any reference in the song to suggest that the story behind it takes place in 1953?  Songwriter Bobbie Gentry would have been ten years old at the time, and probably not romantically interested in boys in same the way the main character in the ballad is (apparently) interested in Billy Joe.  The actress who played Bobbie Lee in the movie, Glynnis O'Connor, was nineteen at the time.  The song furthermore says nothing about her leaving home after Billy Joe's death.    
As far as I can determine, the date originated in Herman Raucher's screenplay.  Raucher had also written Summer of '42 a few years before Ode to Billy Joe.  His novelization of Bobbie Gentry's 1967 ballad was published in March 1976, during the height of the 1950s nostalgia craze in the United States.  The movie was released nationwide the following June.  Except for its reference to a "picture show," the song has a 1960s sensibility about it.  It's more mature than the Everly Brothers' "Wake Up, Little Susie" (1957) or J. Frank Wilson and the Cavaliers' "Last Kiss" (1964), for instance.  Its narrator keeps her feelings to herself, and is still mourning her lost love a year after his death. 
I was only a child myself when the single was released in the summer of 1967, but I always imagined Billy Joe to be appreciably older than the balladeer -- and consequently that he committed suicide because he feared he'd crossed an age barrier with her, not because he had been seduced by a gay man.
--Varazslo 20:55, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the movie, and in the movie he clearly commits suicide because of having gay sex with another man.  Rent the movie and watch it yourself, if you like.  In the movie, Billy Joe is about the same age as the girl. — Frecklefoot | Talk 00:35, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1953 date comes from Bobbie Gentry. In her song Belnda from her album,PatchWork, she mentions 1953 as the date of meeting Belinda. Belinda comes to life in the film as 'Belinda Wiggs' the stripper girlfriend  of Bobbie Lee's brother. The rag doll thrown from  off the bridge is also a song from PatchWork titled 'Benjamin'. skytorch70.226.124.139 (talk) 06:51, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
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message: The film was based,in part, on the original short story of Ode to Billie Joe written by Bobbie Gentry before she adapted it to song. She wrote  Fancy as a short story first too. Her drafts and papers are housed at the Un. of Mississippi.  The 1953 date comes from the song 'Belinda' from Bobbie's 1971 album ' PatchWork' The lyric goes" When I first met Belinda it was back in August, I believe in 53". Belinda ,the song, comes to life as the character Belinda Wiggs( the stripper) in the film. The rag doll( thrown from the bridge), Benajamin, is another beautiful Bobbie Gentry song also from her album ' PatchWork'   In promoting the project, she stated in multiple interviews, she worked on the screenplay with Herman Rancher. She is credited as co-author. She handpicked him for the project  based on his work in the film' 'The Summer of Forty Two' The figure of a 27 million dollar gross is just plain wrong. People magazine reported a 15 million dollar gross weeks after the films release just in southern markets. After it went into wide release Variety reported a 45 million dollar take in revenue. Bobbie's contract with Warners gave her a 10% stake in the film. As late as 2006, it was still earning substantial income on cable with a 10 show running on the country station CMT. The success of the film started a string of songs being adapted into films. Harper Vally PTA, Convoy and others earned substantial box office. This positive effect helped Universal greenlight Lorettan Lynns' Coal Miners Daugfter as a motion picture with a major budget in 1979. The 1980 film would gross over 80 million in the U.S alone. Ironically, Lynns poor contract with Universal would net her far less cash than Gentry's lucrative contract. In her 2005 hit album  'Van Lear Rose' she would bitterly complain" What happened to the cash?" Skytorch April 2009 Skytorch (talk) 06:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Would be nice to have a reference for any of that. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 14:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:   Film  Facts.. 

message: The third paragraph in the lede claims " When Gentry and Raucher got together to work on the screenplay, she explained that while the song was based on an actual event (the brutal murder of Emmett Till), she had no idea why the real person who inspired the character of Billie Joe had killed himself" (emphasis added).  No source is provided for this claim.  However, this contradicts the article on the song (upon which the film was based), which states the following: "When Herman Raucher met Gentry in preparation for writing a novel and screenplay based on the song, she confessed that she had no idea why Billie Joe killed himself.  Gentry has, however, commented on the song, saying that its real theme was indifference: 'Those questions are of secondary importance in my mind. The story of Billie Joe has two more interesting underlying themes. First, the illustration of a group of people's reactions to the life and death of Billie Joe, and its subsequent effect on their lives, is made. Second, the obvious gap between the girl and her mother is shown when both women experience a common loss (first Billie Joe, and later, Papa), and yet Mama and the girl are unable to recognize their mutual loss or share their grief'."  No mention of Emmett Till.  Unless the claim about Till can be properly sourced, it should be removed. Bricology (talk) 18:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: On top of that, there's no indication of who "the real person who inspired the character of Billie Joe" was, or when he killed himself, or if indeed that was by jumping off a bridge. 2601:545:8201:6290:8522:9D48:A7AE:ED77 (talk) 06:17, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emmett Till connection? 

message: While the film adaptation of Ode to Billy certainly received mixed reviews, it's simply not true that "most reviews were negative". The L.A Times gave it a positive review among many others. Roger Ebert expressed  the critical sentiment of the  day better than anybody when he gave  the film two and a half stars. He found much to praise including the performances, the set locations and the avoidance of Southern stereotyping . The dramatic ending was too much for his  sensibilities  and was a let down.  The film is of historical importance because it is one of the very first sympathetic portrayals of a gay youth which  avoided  any hint of homophobia or stereotyping typical of the era.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skytorch (talk • contribs) 04:36, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film reviews  of Ode   To Billy Joe