Talk:Thought disorder

message: This is a horrible and misinformed article, it sounds like whoever wrote it has based their knowledge of mental illness on what they've picked up from watching The Dark Knight 13 times. Don't try to give your own examples if you have no idea what you're talking about.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.184.63 (talk) 02:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Wow

message: Can someone explain this to me? 
"Phonemic paraphasia - Mispronunciation; syllables out of sequence. e.g. "I slipped on the ice broke my arm".
What syllables are out of sequence? All I note is the missing 'and'. Did some confused wikiknome 'correct' the spelling?
Ed 21:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I originally thought what it was saying is that the two sentences "I slipped on the ice" and "The ice broke my arm" got melded into one. But that doesn't fit with the definition at all, and having checked the history of edits, it seems Drrngrvy changed the word "lice" to "ice" on March 28. I'm pretty certain lice was intentional, seeing as it was in the very first version of the article, so I'm changing it back. :) JulianDalloway 15:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Syllables out of sequence? Wouldnt that be, for example, like taking the word banana and saying it "nabana" or some such? Muddling up the syllables of a word? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.192.42.69 (talk) 02:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonemic paraphasia Example 

message: The article could distinguish between:
*disturbance of a) content or b) form (well set out in Kaplan & Sadock), where formal thought disorder refers to the latter
*thought and speech disorders
*thought disorders vs logical fallacies
*thought disorders as symptoms vs formal disorders as identified in DSM-X/ICD-X
*thought, language, and speech
The following list, may help to expand the section on specific subtypes. Some of these:
*already occur in the list but are listed for the sake of completeness
*occur in the text but not in the list
*already have wikipedia entries
*require disambiguation
*need articles of their own, or
*should be included in a 'see also' section.
===Annotated list (which is alphabetized)===
*Agrammatism
*Akataphasia
*Alexithymia
*Alliteration (psychiatry) vs Alliteration and Assonance
*Alogia
*Anomia vs Dysnomia 
*Aphemia vs Mutism
*Asperger’s syndrome (AS)
*Autistic thinking
*Blocking, Blocking (psychopathology), thought blocking and Blocking effect 
*Bloviate
*Brain fog
*Cantinfleada or Cantinflassing
*Circumstantial thinking vs Circumstantiality
*Clang associations or Clanging
*Clanging 
*Clouding of consciousness vs Brain fog
*Cluttering or Tachyphemia
*Cognitive slippage
*Condensation vs Condensation (psychopathology) 
*Confabulation vs (Mythomania or Pseudologia fantastica or Pathological lying
*Coprolalia
*Déjà pensé
*Déjà vu
*Delusions
*Demagoguery
*Dementia
*Depersonalization
*Derailment - vs Derailment (psychiatry), Flight of ideas vs Knight's Move thinking vs Tangentiality
*Derealization
*Dereistic thinking
*Distractible speech
*Doggerel as a symptom of Asperger’s syndrome
*Écho de la pensée - hearing voices that echo one's thoughts 
*Echolalia 
*Elegant variation
*Fantasy
*Flight of ideas - switching topic mid-sentence or inappropriately
*Gedankenlautwerden
*Glossolalia - speaking in tongues
*Grandiloquence
*Hallucinations
*Hypergraphia
*Hyperlexia as a symptom of Asperger’s syndrome
*Ideas of reference or Sensitiver beziehungswahn
*Idée fixe
*Illogicality
*Illusion
*Impoverished thinking
*Incoherence (word salad) vs Incoherent speech
*Intrusive thoughts
*Jargon aphasia
*Literal interpretation as a symptom of Asperger’s syndrome
*Logic error in programming vs Logical fallacy neither of which, strictly speaking, is pathological
*Logoclonia
*Loose associations vs Asyndesis vs Entgleisen  
*Loss of goal
*Magical thinking
*Negative thinking and Negativisim colloquially; not to be confused with Negativism in psychiatry vs Rumination
*Neologism or *Coinages specifically as a symptom of Asperger’s syndrome
*Obsessive thinking
*Odd beliefs
*Palilalia - repeating one's own words
*Paranoid ideation vs Delusion and Paranoia
*Perseveration in speech as opposed to peers such as Palinacousis and Palinopsia
*Phonemic paraphasia
*Pleonasm
*Positive thinking - pop psych
*Pressure of speech - speaking incessantly and quickly
*Prolixity
*Punning or Foerster's syndrome
*Redundancy
*Rhyming
*Rumination - negative cyclic thinking, persistent and recurrent worrying or brooding 
*Scanning speech
*Schizophasia
*Self-reference
*Semantic paraphasia
*Speech disorder and the overlaps with some of its types
*Spoonerism eg "I want a tub of not poodles" - should this be added?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.207.159 (talk) 08:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Distinctions, additions, 'see also', redundancies and tabulation

message: *Agrammatism
*Akataphasia
*Alexithymia
*Alliteration (psychiatry) vs Alliteration and Assonance
*Alogia
*Anomia vs Dysnomia 
*Aphemia vs Mutism
*Asperger’s syndrome (AS)
*Autistic thinking
*Blocking, Blocking (psychopathology), thought blocking and Blocking effect 
*Bloviate
*Brain fog
*Cantinfleada or Cantinflassing
*Circumstantial thinking vs Circumstantiality
*Clang associations or Clanging
*Clanging 
*Clouding of consciousness vs Brain fog
*Cluttering or Tachyphemia
*Cognitive slippage
*Condensation vs Condensation (psychopathology) 
*Confabulation vs (Mythomania or Pseudologia fantastica or Pathological lying
*Coprolalia
*Déjà pensé
*Déjà vu
*Delusions
*Demagoguery
*Dementia
*Depersonalization
*Derailment - vs Derailment (psychiatry), Flight of ideas vs Knight's Move thinking vs Tangentiality
*Derealization
*Dereistic thinking
*Distractible speech
*Doggerel as a symptom of Asperger’s syndrome
*Écho de la pensée - hearing voices that echo one's thoughts 
*Echolalia 
*Elegant variation
*Fantasy
*Flight of ideas - switching topic mid-sentence or inappropriately
*Gedankenlautwerden
*Glossolalia - speaking in tongues
*Grandiloquence
*Hallucinations
*Hypergraphia
*Hyperlexia as a symptom of Asperger’s syndrome
*Ideas of reference or Sensitiver beziehungswahn
*Idée fixe
*Illogicality
*Illusion
*Impoverished thinking
*Incoherence (word salad) vs Incoherent speech
*Intrusive thoughts
*Jargon aphasia
*Literal interpretation as a symptom of Asperger’s syndrome
*Logic error in programming vs Logical fallacy neither of which, strictly speaking, is pathological
*Logoclonia
*Loose associations vs Asyndesis vs Entgleisen  
*Loss of goal
*Magical thinking
*Negative thinking and Negativisim colloquially; not to be confused with Negativism in psychiatry vs Rumination
*Neologism or *Coinages specifically as a symptom of Asperger’s syndrome
*Obsessive thinking
*Odd beliefs
*Palilalia - repeating one's own words
*Paranoid ideation vs Delusion and Paranoia
*Perseveration in speech as opposed to peers such as Palinacousis and Palinopsia
*Phonemic paraphasia
*Pleonasm
*Positive thinking - pop psych
*Pressure of speech - speaking incessantly and quickly
*Prolixity
*Punning or Foerster's syndrome
*Redundancy
*Rhyming
*Rumination - negative cyclic thinking, persistent and recurrent worrying or brooding 
*Scanning speech
*Schizophasia
*Self-reference
*Semantic paraphasia
*Speech disorder and the overlaps with some of its types
*Spoonerism eg "I want a tub of not poodles" - should this be added?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.207.159 (talk) 08:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Annotated list (which is alphabetized)

message: We might also consider producing this list in tabular form with a column for the psychiatric illnesses with which these various symptoms are associated.
Suidafrikaan 03:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tabulation

message: I typically find a fairly smooth correlation between a person's apparent intelligence and the effective topic "leaps" I can make in talking to them. Indeed, one can find that more cognitively canny sorts will generally communicate in a more complicated and potentially abstract manner than the simple-minded. Heck, claims of illogical thought patterns seem to rather blatantly indicate significant disability on the part of the listener to fill in the gaps themselves through simple deduction, or else a reluctance to ask or wait patiently for the connector. It is just a levelled-up form of the typical imbeciles who keep demanding I "not use big words". 
Just to justify, I may be Aspergian, but a close friend of mine is not and we can communicate quite easily because she is also an intelligent and logical thinker with an expansive vocabulary. Conversely, many others I've encountered have displayed varying levels of bewilderment at my mode of exposition, some to the point where they understood nothing if it wasn't read out to them like a child's first book. ~ SotiCoto (talk) 14:20, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some "symptoms" just a result of "not being an idiot".  

message: The opening has the following sentence: "However, there is a vague clinical difference between the two. Schizophrenic or psychotic patients are less likely to demonstrate awareness or concern about it [5] because it results from a fundamental inability to use the same type of Aristotelian logic as everyone else does[6] whereas so-called “organic” patients with a clouded consciousness usually do demonstrate awareness and concern about it, by complaining about being “confused” or “unable to think straight” because it results, instead, from various cognitive deficits.[4]"
Schizophrenics have a "fundamental inability to use Aristotelian logic that the rest of us do?" This is nonsense. Aristotelian logic is one form of logical system that used to be used, but has now been superseded by predicate logic amongst logicians, as it was a formal system that had a great deal of problems (for instance, it had difficulties with empty sets). I would be surprised if there was some inability to use this antiquated formal system amongst schizophrenics, or if the typical persons reasoning process in any way actually resembled parsing Aristotelian logical statements (if so, again, there are superior logical systems out there, and they are using a poor one that is really only still taught for historical reasons). Either someone who read this source did not understand what they were reading, or the source itself was just throwing out a hard science concept they had little real understanding of in a thinly veiled attempt to boost their credibility, as is so common among the soft sciences.68.19.233.157 (talk) 02:58, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Inability to use Aristotelian logic?

message: The article identifies "inappropriate self-reference" as a symptom of thought disorder, but it links to Self-reference, which is about the general phenomenon of self-reference. Either there should be a separate page for self reference as a symptom of a thought disorder, or this link should just be removed. Nosewings (talk) 18:48, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Self-Reference

message: © The BreadPerspective, Christine Leeds 2003-2014.“People or animals are 'childlike' and occasionally have an INFORMAL thought disorder. For example, a child thought his skin is brown because he was born in Brisbane. One or more people in his environment challenged his internal belief so reality set in. If beliefs like these are not challenged then they are at risk of developing a FORMAL thought disorder. For example, they might select people who have brown skin. As a consequence, they might regard their next door neighbour as their kin because he has brown skin and not regard their brother as kin because he has white skin. Because other people do not do the same, he is then said to have a mental illness. This is a human/adult problem, in nature animals rarely have mental illnesses” © The BreadPerspective, Christine Leeds 2003-2014.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.183.252 (talk) 23:40, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  INFORMAL THOUGHT DISORDER 

message: I find it useful that you give examples of a typical interaction with a person with a certian disorder, however It seems that the example of echolalia is acctually an example palilalia. I looked up the articles on both and the example in the article about echolalia is very different from this article.
The example on this page goes as follows:
"What would you like for dinner?", "That's a good question. That's a good question. That's a good question. That's a good question."
while the example on the echolalia page goes like this:
a child is asked "Do you want dinner?"; the child echoes back "Do you want dinner?", followed by a pause, and then a response, "Yes. What's for dinner?"
could someone cosider fixing this?--Quiet Wanderer (talk) 00:10, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  cofusion of examples 

message: The entire section seems irrelevant. It is composed of 1 section containing nonsense: td is inferred from one symptom. ok, so what? If there is a criticism then what is it? That not all td sufferers have that symptom, or not all those symptomatic have td? Ridiculous nonsense. Another section comments about the potential of misdiagnosis. But td is NOT a diagnosis! Hence the comment seems irrelevant, and of course this fact is the crux of the problem with this section: thought disorders are symptoms of diagnosable disorders, they aren't in and of themselves "diagnoses". The third topic is AS, and is afaics totally irrelevant here, also. SO WHAT if autism correlates to dt? Make a point or remove the language. The basic problem is that this section has no purpose in advancing the article.216.96.76.190 (talk) 17:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagnosis - should be removed 

message: One of the problems with references in this section is it's unclear if a reference covers:
# who classifies the said "subtype" as a thought disorder
# who defines the subtype
# who gives an example
I've started tagging references next to the subtype names to indicate who classify the subtypes as thought disorders.  Just in case anyone wonders why. --Tikmok (talk) 11:31, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  References in the "Types, Signs, and Symptoms" section 

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