Template talk:Infobox football club/Archive 1

message: User  asked a question in Talk:Feyenoord Rotterdam, and I don't know the answer to his question. Perhaps someone in here could help me. The question was: "Can't the keepers kit ... appear in the infobox?" Thanks in advance. Aecis 22:20, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally against. The kits in the infobox is, as Mariano says, meant to give an idea about the look of the outfit of the club, and the colours of the club. Not a complete listing of all kits used by the club, not tracksuits, not the managers clothes, not the clothes of the cheerleaders, and, IMO, not the keepers kit. Not any of my football interrested friends (including myself) really cares about what the goalie kit looks like. I don't even know how my favourite team's goalie kit looks like. And as said, the keepers kit changes very much during a season. -- Elisson • Talk 16:04, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goalie outfit 

message: I think it would be nice to add a line for European (or international) cups played by the team. For example, Liverpool would sport a "UEFA Champions League winner" tag.--Panairjdde 09:34, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be a great idea. --Siva1979Talk to me 19:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  European cups 

message: I transferred this template to the german wikipedia: :de:Vorlage:Fu%C3%9Fballklub_Infobox
My questions: Is there a way to make entries optional? E. g. if there are no graphics for the outfit yet, the box for the jersey shouldn't appear at all. Also some want to have different information for different clubs, so optional rows would be great --Schandi 17:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at the If-Templates. --Nanouk 10:20, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't use if templates - use the hiddenStructure class instead (see next section) ChrisUK 22:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Optional entries / Template in German 

message: How about adding some links info about club news, recent results and fixtures from the BBC website?  I have created a template that easily allows this to be inserted:

which renders as:
Note that you have to specify the first letter of the team name, followed by a / followed by the full name with _ instead of  spaces in order to make the link work.
I suggest that this is used in the table between the info and  the shirts (ccolspan 2 and centered).  In order to make it optional, we should use the hiddenStructure class so that it can be introduced without wrecking all the info boxes who don't have the parameters added in yet.  For example, typing in:

which renders as:
i.e. it doesn't appear because the BBClinkname is not defined in this page.
Any comments anyone?  If there's interest I'll knock up a prototype. ChrisUK 22:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather not add that row. The infobox isn't primarily for use on UK club articles (and that template is only useful for those clubs), and the infobox should not be filled with more than the absolutely most necessary info. And adding a lot of optional rows to be filled in is not a good idea. See for example this discussion. It is a good template for use on UK clubs, but IMHO it fits better in the external links section. -- Elisson • Talk 22:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Elisson, becides that fact it gives the template a decided UK bias considering that for the most part the link up would only give coverage to club in the BCC sphere of influance, the meta-templates police would bash it out anyway. If any external links sholud be added to the infobox, and i am not say that i would add this to the infobox anyway, it should be the official club website, and any other links should be placed in the external links section. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 04:11, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to BBC football club information 

message: I have noticed that someone has recently been putting the club addresses into the ground, so that Bolton are now in Greater Manchester and Arsenal are in Greater London etc. Is this absolutely necessary as this information is also in the main article and, as far as those in metropolitan districts are concerned, makes them look unwieldy. (Pally01 12:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club addresses 

message: I think adding a captain line (either optional or mandatory but definitely optional in the beginning) is something worth looking into. If no one objects I will add it some time next week. Yonatanh 02:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that is necessary as the captain should be mentioned in the squad section of the article. – Elisson • Talk 12:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Why? We (WikiProject Football) have had several discussions on what to be included in the infobox and what to not include, and the current look has been decided to be the best. If captain would be included, why should we not include the achievements of the club, any supporter's associations, the top scorer, the player with most caps, attendance records, and whatnot? This is a question of only including a short summary of the club, and IMO, the current captain is not one of those things. – Elisson • Talk 14:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain 

message: Is there where to make a custom pattern for the shorts and socks? -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I am not wrong you could edit the parameters of pattern la1. --Siva1979Talk to me 05:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See also Template talk:Football kit  --Concrete Cowboy 23:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I think that the address of the official site should be included in the infobox as a very relevant info about the club. That is, of course, unless Wikipedia has some strict policy against it (and it appears as if it doesn't, since there are infoboxes that include this information).—Vitriden 03:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the importance in including the wedsite address in the infobox, as almost all articles have it in the external links section. – Elisson • Talk 14:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Isn't it more important than just to be listed as an external link? Then I suppose that, for example, infobox about music performer and many others are made the wrong way. I really think this information is essential and would make the search much easier for someone looking for information on the clubs on the internet (and I think that is what Wikipedia is actually for). External links section is hidden far on the bottom of the article, and this is usually just one of the links. Really, there is a reason why I'm asking this to be emphasized in some way.--Vitriden 21:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's of enough importance to be included in the infobox on football articles. Having the link in the external links section is sufficient. That doesn't in any way suggest that other infoboxes are wrong. - Pal 20:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's the way I feel too. Either way, there have been past discussions about what should be and what should not be included in the infobox, and generally, people have been opposing additions of more information to it. – Elisson • Talk 20:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Website addresses?

message: I am currently trying to adapt this box for scn.wiki, but it is aligning left, and the borders appear to be missing - I copied whole from here, so I don't quite understand what is going on.  Can anyone help me at all?  Thanks in anticipation.  πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 01:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Position of box

message: I think a section on the infobox that lets people know each club's record attendance would be useful.  Any thoughts?
Big Jim Fae Scotland, 05 October 2006, 14:18
: There have been several previous discussions on adding different types of information to the infobox, including but not limited to sponsors, kit supplier, captain, national league titles, club website and BBC links. None of these have been added as most editors have disliked moving more and more info to the infobox. Put it this way: If including such a trivial piece of information as the club's record attendance, there are tons of more relevant facts to add there. Which is not what I want to see. And as a side note, another reason for discussing changes here first, is that you break thousands of pages (showing an ugly Record Attendance  line in the infobox) when including a parameter that is not yet included in any articles. – Elisson • Talk 13:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Things I would consider to be of equal importance or more important than a record attendance would be, in no special order; city (yes it is sometimes included with the ground, but it does merit its own parameter if record attendance does), traditional colours, popular supporters' associations, national league titles, national cup titles, European cup titles, international cup titles, highest average attendance, player with most appearances, player with most goals scored, official website address, rivalries (if any), and so on. Others think that kit suppliers, sponsors, captains, and other facts have been worthy of inclusion. Either way, record attendance can be a very ambiguous fact, consider questions like: Attendance on the current stadium? Or any former 'home' stadium? What if an away match was played on the 'home' stadium? Does it even have to be a 'home' match? Does it have to be in the league or cup, or is an attendance from a friendly match considered a record? All this counted together makes this fact better suited for the records section in the article, available at all five featured football club articles on Wikipedia. – Elisson • Talk 17:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record Attendance Section 

message: I think it would be a good idea to add the shirt sponsor to the infobox. Anyone object? jaco♫plane 10:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has already been proposed once here, and was "voted" down. – Elisson • T • C • 12:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shirt sponsor 

message: Could an optional field be added for the date a club was dissolved or closed? That way the infobox could be used for clubs which are now defunct, which would be handy. Qwghlm 01:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that, but let's get a few more opinions (even though I doubt they'll be any different) before making the change. – Elisson • T • C • 15:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would agree to this, I had to copy the base code and alter it for Leeds City F.C. (only on Leeds City F.C., I didn't alter the template itself).  Chappy84 15:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Three ayes and zero noes - is that enough consensus for me to add it in? Qwghlm 17:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Make that four ayes... ;-)  robwingfield «T•C» 17:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  Aaaaaand added! – Elisson • T • C • 17:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:defunct football club infobox exists, but is not widely used. Is it worth having a separate infobox specifically for defunct clubs?  Oldelpaso 18:04, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since there is nothing that this template can't do or must have (since we made a few fields optional) that the defunct template does or should not have, I see no reason to have two different templates. – Elisson • T • C • 18:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  I've nominated it for deletion.  robwingfield «T•C» 19:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dissolved field