Talk:Leitmotif

message: A lietmotif is not one of many musical forms, but is used in musical form. Hyacinth 23:43, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Category

message: I am a German native speaker and i wonder, why it is called "leitmotif" with "f" in English. In German we always write "Leitmotiv", the same as we do with other borrowing from Latin ending in "-ivus" ("Infinitiv" [infinitive], "aktiv" [active] etc.).
:Most likely due to influence from the word "motif" (borrowed from French, and also existent in German as "Motiv"). EldKatt (Talk) 19:43, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It also means English speakers pronounce the German terminal "v" correctly! Mswake 09:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

text: According to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music by Michael Kennedy (Oxford University Press 1991, p.366), leitmotiv is the correct English Spelling and it is "often misspelt" leitmotif. I'm wondering why the article title is the misspelling of the term. I suggest a change to the article name. 116.250.28.52 (talk) 03:19, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: General purpose dictionaries disagree. "Misspelling" has nothing to do with its form in its origin language, or some imagined inner logic. What is right is defined by whatever most people say, and indeed that is what dictionaries document. General purpose dictionaries like Merriam-Webster say it's an acceptable spelling, therefore it's acceptable as the article title. We do not change titles because of spelling preferences (color -> colour) — TheBilly(Talk) 08:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Replying to this years old thread, I noticed that the OED's entry is "leitmotiv", although it says "Forms:  Also leitmotif, leitmotive". I suppose a case could be made for leitmotiv being "more correct", but in practice, as far as I have seen, leitmotif is more common. Pfly (talk) 10:00, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: I was redirected here from the entry on "idee fixe" - I would like to question this redirection, they're not the same thing, are they? Mswake 09:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and have changed the redirect at idée fixe so it points to the disambiguation page obsession instead of leitmotif; I think that's more accurate.  There's no point in having the page be more than a redirect, because I suspect it would be nothing more than a dictionary definition (which would violate WP:NOT).  However, I note that wiktionary doesn't have a definition for idée fixe yet... —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: This appears to have been done. Hyacinth (talk) 07:45, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Idee fixe

message: *"In Nintendo's Super Mario World the music would have instruments added when a Yoshi was present, and the music would also speed up to symbolize that time was running out for a particular level."
I removed the above as it has nothing to do with Leitmotifs. Hyacinth 22:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 20:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: In answer to your question, what is described is not a theme, but simply additional accomaniment and a change in tempo. See the definition in the section directly above. Hyacinth 21:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: Editors have claimed that Peter and the Wolf is an example of leitmotif practice, and have placed this in the lead section. No academic or appropriate references have been given however. I suggest that:
:1) the appropriate place for any such comments are not in the lead, and that
:2) Peter and the Wolf does not exhibit  leitmotifs, but simply themes.
I have therefore deleted the reference to PatW.
In support of adducing PatW an editor has proposed this Google book link. I'm not however happy about accepting 'Musical Composition for Dummies' or the other, almost entirely non-musical, works this brings up, as authoritative for these purposes.
I quote from Grove Music Online - ' A leitmotif is to be distinguished from a reminiscence motif (Erinnerungsmotiv), which, in earlier operas and in Wagner’s works up to and including Lohengrin, tends to punctuate the musical design rather than provide the principal, ‘leading’ thematic premisses for that design.' PatW has many 'Errinerungsmotiven' but I await any musicological reference that would call them leitmotifs.
Comments are welcome. Thanks, --Smerus (talk) 19:07, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I know you've looked at the introduction to this article, since that is where you say Peter and the Wolf was placed as an example. From what I read above, it sounds like you not only have a problem with the example, but with the introduction, which reads: "‘leitmotif’...refer[s] to a recurring theme". Hyacinth (talk) 01:09, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, and I have corrected the lead with a referenced source to remedy this. I also de-italicised 'leitmotif' which is an anglicization of the German Leitmotiv.--Smerus (talk) 06:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have now added further sources and rewritten parts of the lead for purposes of clarification.--Smerus (talk) 11:52, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

text: I did not mean to post the above without a new section, can somebody help and put me under "List of Leitmotifs"? LucasImpulse (talk) 09:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter and the Wolf 

message: Are the leitmotifs in Ultrakill's tracks "Order" and "War" notable enough for addition to the "Entertainment" section? Vghfr (talk) 01:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if reliable independent sources exist. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leitmotifs in "Order" and "War"