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message: Please don't misinform about the Roman Church, you don't have any idea about the subject and you are biased.  rejects the Second Vatican Council -  do you mean Society of Saint Pius X? But it's not true. Many conservative people reject some Vaticanum II ideas. Xx236 (talk) 11:45, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The Michlic's text is about the period till 2000, so  was, not is. The phrase  The newspaper was an influential antisemitic information channel in Poland. doesn't look to be academic. The paper isn't (and never was) any independent information channell, it's a part of the whole (Radio Maryja, TV Trwam, clubs and meetings). Xx236 (talk) 11:47, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Rethinking Poles quotes Michlic, so you have one source.Xx236 (talk) 11:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

text: it supports the ultraconservative Liga Polskich Rodzin - it doesn't. Now LPR is small and more or less liberal. Giertych is a Platforma supporter. Xx236 (talk) 11:51, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

text: I would love similar description of some Jewish newspapers of the same type. Their anti-Polish obsession is worse than any currebt Polish anti-Semitism. Xx236 (talk) 11:51, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I quoted three separate academic RSes - and there is little trouble finding more using the same terminology. I fail to see how this is funny. Icewhiz (talk) 12:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

text:  As for "Jewish" (I cringe at this use) - see HaKol HaYehudi for a publication of perhaps a similar bend. Icewhiz (talk) 13:08, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icewhiz, please don't be funny 

message: far right doesn't mean anything. I don't like them, so they are far-right. BTW it's a religious paper, which publishes many religious texts, which you forget to describe.Xx236 (talk) 11:54, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Far right is used by sources. It is a very particular type of religious paper - part of the "closed church". The American branch of this is covered by the SPLC - . Icewhiz (talk) 12:35, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

text: "ultra-right-wing" is used as well - Graff, Agnieszka. "Looking at pictures of gay men: Political uses of homophobia in contemporary Poland." Public Culture 22.3 (2010): 583-603.. Icewhiz (talk) 13:04, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Agnieszka Graff is far-left. They love each other...Xx236 (talk) 14:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Far-right'' 

message: You quote biased sources. You are biased and you pretend to be neutral and academic. Your bias is OK and other biases are wrong.Xx236 (talk) 14:04, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Krytyka Polityczna'' ~ 

message: Xx236 (talk) 15:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed - silly me started writing this in a weaselly unattributed manner and then switched over to attribute, but forgot to cut out the previously written " has been contrasted". Icewhiz (talk) 15:59, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  has contrasted Nasz Dziennik homophobic discourse has been contrasted ? 

message: As noted above, we may want to discuss ND as a source. IMHO while it is a clearly biased/POVed source, it is also a popular newspaper and should not be censored,  just attributed. Like Fox News or any other source that's clearly leaning right or left. It is not mainstream, but while I don't generally agree with its editorial stance, I wouldn't consider it unfit for use as a source (as far as WP:RS take on news sources, of course). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:14, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Take it to RSN. You'll be laughed out of there - far-right publications of this nature are seldom well received. Icewhiz (talk) 05:16, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Left trash is quoted here, also by you. The world is getting crazy. Please explain why left is better.Xx236 (talk) 08:53, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliability of ND

message: This must be a joke. A text about Klezmer music as a source here.Xx236 (talk) 08:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It was added after Piotrus suggested it might be an appropriate source for "right-wing" as opposed to "far-right". I agree that this is a passing mention and that we should therefore simply describe this as far-right, radical-right, nationalist, etc. (per labels in sources in the article) 09:45, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Klezmer music and Nasz Dziennik 

message: It publishes many religious texts. How is it possible to ignore such fact in the lead? It's not Lutheran nor Jewish, it's Roman-Catholic. The link to Radical traditional Catholicism-critique is idiotic, so I have removed it. Please read the section, it's about France and US anti-Semites. BTW - Father Rydzyk has many Jewish friends, so his anti-Semitism isn't obvious. The paper has expelled  Jerzy Robert Nowak. Xx236 (talk) 09:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It is "closed Church" Catholic - a very particular sub-sect that is repudiated by most of the church - e.g. Archbishop Józef Życiński -  (Trybuna Ludu being a communist mouthpiece - the Polish Pravda).. The "closed church" or "radical traditional Catholicism" is covered by the SPLC. "Traditional" possibly involving traditions such as: Children beat effigy of Judas in Poland, amid persistence of 'medieval anti-Semitism', Washington Post, Prosecutor to probe Judas effigy beating in Polish town, Politico. Icewhiz (talk) 09:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Icewhiz, if you don't stop I'll start to copy idiotic opinions about Talmud, which will be parallel to you revelations. They publish many religious texts, some of them more radical, some of them standard. Politico is a long way from Christianity and from journalism. It;'s a political tool.Xx236 (talk) 11:54, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's Roman-Catholic daily 

message: Discussing the sex-affair in English Wikipedia is crazy. It's a historical detail. All liberal newspapers (NYT, WP, Guardian) pages should simiarly describe their anti-Kaczynski offensive. Do they? Xx236 (talk) 09:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As he's dead there is no BLP concern on Wikipedia, further he and his associate have been convicted for their crimes. As for Nasz Dziennik the cited source has an in-depth analysis (couple of pages) of ND's reporting on the matter over a long period which is but briefly summarized in the article - the focus being not the "sex affair" itself (which included DNA analysis of children) but ND's reporting on it (first - denial via silence, then conspiracies). Icewhiz (talk) 13:15, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lepper is dead 

message: It's certainly not the most important subject to be listed at the beginning of the section. We don't know how many texts about the therapy have been published - 1 or 100. Traditional bias. The truth is completely unimportant, let's bash "Nasz Dziennik". The paper is terribly boring, but as we can see - some WP editors support it creating its biased image of evil right. 
:The paper doesn't publish pictures of naked women. Unfortunately probably no academic source informs about it. Man bites dog (journalism). Xx236 (talk) 10:41, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did find Oseka, Andrzej, and Irena Maryniak. "Porn again." Index on Censorship 29.3 (2000): 17-22. about their opposition to pornography. It has the following quip from the paper: . I'm somewhat undecided on this going in - what do you think? Should this go in? Icewhiz (talk) 10:59, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Icewhiz, you are obsessed exacly like some "Nasz Dziennik" editors are.Xx236 (talk) 12:05, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  conversion therapy 

message: "Nasz Dziennik" is a long way from endecja parties and organisations. Endecja had strong atheistic tradition, Dmowski was an atheist.Xx236 (talk) 12:03, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Source says:  Dmowski was complex, however a large portion of the Endeks espoused a radical Catholic-nationalist program.. Icewhiz (talk) 12:11, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

text: Ha. I wonder how many modern endeks would realize this... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:53, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The title of the source doesn't look academic The Deviant Case of Poland. This Wikipedia is certainly deviant, written by biased editors on the basis of biased sources.Xx236 (talk) 06:49, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endecja 

message: :Ph. D. Thesis Hanna Maria Kwiatkowska Conflict of images. Conflict of memories. Jewish themes in the Polish right-wing nationalistic press in the light of articles from Nasz Dziennik 1998-2007
:The title is unprecize. Either the text is about "Nasz Dziennik" only or about "Polish right-wing nationalistic press" in general. Imagine "Mammals in the light of sperm whale" saying that "Mammals live in oceans". Xx236 (talk) 07:14, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  The title seems OK to me as a case study on ND which also touches the wider nationalist press. However this is a discussion to be had with Dr. Kwiatkowska - as on Wikipedia we generally use the titles given by an author, and do not modify or edit it ourselves.Icewhiz (talk) 10:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Academy''