Talk:Andrew Theophanous

message: When I referred to "yellow", I meant sections of text removed when comparing edits in the history. -007bond aka Matthew G aka codingmasters 11:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: clarification

message: The article is an insult to an encyclopedia entry with a one-sided description of the events leading to Theophanous' conviction. Version 2 sets out what he did and retains the criticism of the authorities. Verson 1 barely deals with the serious crimes committed and just launches into an apologia of the disgraced politician. I don't think the Wikipedia article should be the scene of such whitewashing. 59.167.158.178 08:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's one of the dark 'secrets' of Wikipedia: we have lots of really bad articles. This isn't the worst by a long way. We're making progress at improving things, but only slowly. I'd expect progress with this article to be slow as well. CWC 16:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality of the version 1

message: An editor has suggested that we wait for a few days to achieve a consensus. I don't expect any reply on this page but if there is one will go through each sentence to work out an agreement.
Failing any participation by Socrates who substantially wrote the first article, I'll instead replace it with version 2 of the article which has been partly contributed by me and others. At that point, I'll remove the unverified material after searching for some sources, including parliamentary biographies etc.
What would be ideal though is for Socrates to be involved and not just reverting the article back. Socrates seems only to edit this article so it would be sad if they didn't actively participate.
Also, it would be good if an editor could review what we're doing to make sure the article doesn't defame the subject, who has legal rights not to be defamed and also to ensure that the claims of serious misconduct made (against Theophanous and the authorities) are entirely referenced and supported.
If I haven't heard back by Wednesday night, I'll go ahead and replace this currently unacceptable article with version 2 which is still quite flawed and will start correcting that.
One way or the other, I'm sure we can all work together to ensure the article is a good one, it's certainly had a lot of work done on it, so it might as well be good.
Politicocrimina 12:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article development

message: Most of version 1 and 2 of this article contains a large number of unsubstantiated statements. Some of these will probably not be capable of being sourced, but many should be able to be. I'll have a go at Google and see what I can dig up and maybe post it here for people to consider.
Any others helping out would be welcome, in particular the sources about the criminal charges against the subject. I assume the case judgements are online somewhere. Politicocrimina 12:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: It is undisputed that Andrew Theophanous is a convicted criminal, convicted of many serious crimes from offences he committed while a serving Labor member of Parliament. Could we please resolve the issue of his categorisation in the Wikipedia Australian Criminals category. Is there a valid reason why this has been removed?
Politicocrimina 12:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Australian criminals category

message: Some of these are being removed without explanation. I think that's hardly cricket. Please explain yourself here as replacing them all is tiresome. Johnreginaldsmith 12:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations needed

message: As above, ministers serve in a "ministerial capacity", parliamentary secretaries do not, any more than public servants who receive ministerial delegations. Johnreginaldsmith 12:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ministerial capacity

message: I very much doubt Theophanous "published" anything, he might have written or contributed to published books but they were presumably published by someone else. Johnreginaldsmith 12:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Publisher?

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replies: text: Confirmed as correct. Thank you, Cyberbot II. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:28, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified