Talk:Jeholornis

message: According to Zhou & Zhang (2006), Jeholornis is the correct name for the bird known as Shenzhouraptor, since the paper in which it was published is a monthly journal (dated July 25, 2002). Thus, change the title of this article to Jeholornis.
:The authors of Jeholornis have continually claimed that their name has priority. However almost every other source I can find argues that Shenzhouraptor has priority.Dinoguy2 22:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine by me. At the time I posted the comment above there weren't any published sources with an opinion on this that I'm aware of . In fact I think your source post-dates my comment by a month ;) Dinoguy2 (talk) 23:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status of Jeholornis  

message: Do you think that Shenzhouraptor and Jeholornis are distinct taxa? A cladistic analysis will show a synonymization of the two taxa to be unjustified. Stephen Czerkas is able to distinguish Jeholornis from Shenzhouraptor by its very small teeth and small size (Shenzhouraptor has no teeth and is three-quarters bigger than Jeholornis).
:J. only has a few teeth in the tip of the lower jaw, a part that is missing in S.. Both lack teeth on the upper jaw completely. More complete specimens will probably show that J. and S. had the same number/pattern of teeth.
:Again, they are most likely the same species, but there's not enough evidence to prove it definitively.Dinoguy2 17:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeholornis and Shenzhouraptor 

message: I looked for the publication date in Ji, Ji, You, Zhang, Yuan, Ji, Li, & Li (2002) and found that the description of Shenzhouraptor was published in November 2002, four months after the publication of the description of Jeholornis. This means that Shenzhouraptor was published later than Jeholornis.
Ji, Q.; Ji, S.; You, H.; Zhang, J.; Yuan, C.; Ji, X.; Li, J. & Li, Y (2002): [Discovery of an avialae bird - Shenzhouraptor sinensis gen. et sp. nov - from China]. Geol. Bull. Chin. 21(7): 363-369 + 2 plates [in Chinese with English abstract]
:Unfortunately, the publication date listed in the paper does not always reflect the actual date of publication. i know of at least one case in which a publication date seems to have been intentionally forged by the authors to help get their name priority.Dinoguy2 04:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shenzhouraptor 

message: With respect to Jixiangornis, the manuscript by Wang et al. synonymizing Jixiangornis with Jeholornis was taken off the Acta Palaeontologica Polonica website after input from Mickey Mortimer (http://theropoddatabase.blogspot.com/search?q=jixiangornis), and the specimen discussed in the original, grammatically and taxonomically flawed manuscript (YFGP-yb2) has been named Jeholornis curvipes by Lefevre et al. (2014), who also find Jixiangornis to be a sister taxon of Pygostylia. Therefore, the taxonomy section of the article should be changed to reflect that Jixiangornis is distinct from Jeholornis.
Lefèvre, U., Hu, D., Escuillié, F., Dyke, G. and Godefroit, P. (2014), A new long-tailed basal bird from the Lower Cretaceous of north-eastern China. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, 113: 790–804. doi: 10.1111/bij.12343.Extrapolaris (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jixiangornis 

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message: So I looked at the reference, and indeed it says that Jeholornis weighs as much as a turkey, and checking that height on other sources offering turkey heights, seems to be as tall as one. The problem is that the picture shows a lightweight flier that's about the size of a crow or raven. It is not the height of a passerine or corvid according to that one report, so can someone replace that picture with an accurate one or delete it? If no one else does it I'll do it eventually.Wacape (talk) 03:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Height Picture