Talk:Philippe of Belgium

message: Request was to move from Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant to Philippe, Duke of Brabant. Per Wiki naming conventions for royals, heirs to thrones, et cetera, ie Charles, Prince of Wales. Mowens35 01:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  moving 

message: I've adjusted the paragraph, about calls for his removal from the line of succession (since it would make his daughter [currently a minor] the heiress-apparent). Furthermore, the paragraph fails to mention Philippe's possible replacement (who was this 'more liberal' Royal?). This is why, I've re-written the 'removal calls' into past-tense form. GoodDay 19:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Calls for Philippe, to step aside

message: Should the title of this page not be changed from "Philippe, Duke of Brabant" to "Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant"? This is already done for the page of Princess Mathilde, Duchess of Brabant. It is accourding to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). Demophon 20:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move "Philippe, Duke of Brabant" to "Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant"?

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support - Other crown princes do not have Prince in their articles. For example, Felipe, Prince of Asturias and not Infante Felipe, Prince of Asturias; Charles, Prince of Wales, not Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Willem-Alexander, Prince of Orange, not Prince Willem-Alexander; Guillaume, Hereditary Grand Duke of Luxembourg, not Prince Guillaume, etcetera. Is there any special case for Philippe & Mathilde to have Prince/Princess in front of their names? According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Other royals: If they hold a princely substantive title, use "{first name}, {title}".Morhange (talk) 23:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *A change in the naming conventions wouldn't limit that format to reigning dukes, but to holders of the title. Just because a discussion was made "a time ago" does not mean all is frozen perpetually. Can you explain the logic and correctness of "Prince X, <Title> of Y" at WT:NCNT when that discussion begins? Charles 17:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

text: *Actually, in the royal order approving his marriage, he is referred to as "His Royal Highness Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant, Prince of Belgium."--Ganchelkas (talk) 13:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The order approving his marriage was not written in English.  French-language usage is an appropriate determinant in French Wikipedia, but not English Wikipedia. Noel S McFerran (talk) 17:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to several official Belgian government websites he is referred as: "Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant, Prince of Belgium"  or "Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant" . Demophon (talk) 07:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

text: *What's your opinion on Princess Diana? Charles 00:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'm against it. But Prince Philippe is referred to as such by the royal palace, as in the link above. Timeineurope (talk) 16:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

text: *It's not obvious and what is this about it looking odd? Charles is just that, Prince Charles, Prince of Wales. Repetition or not, it isn't needed. Charles 13:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: **So if this was the Scottish wiki, then Charles' article should be at Prince Charles, Duke of Rothesay instead of Charles, Duke of Rothesay? Philippe is heir to the throne and like all of the other heirs to the throne, Duke of Brabant is his heir's title. There needs to be a guideline for this. You can't have all the other heirs at X, Prince/Duke/Count of Y, and have Philippe be the one exception. Morhange (talk) 16:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: *Maybe not for long. Did you read that the conventions may change? Charles 13:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes but I would be opposed to a change. - dwc lr (talk) 14:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Knowing that though it might be best to oppose the move without citing the Naming Conventions which may change anyway. Charles 14:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: *Prince Charles is often referred to as Prince Charles instead of the Prince of Wales. Morhange (talk) 16:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Not by the court. The Belgian royal palace, on the other hand, does use 'Prince Philippe'. Timeineurope (talk) 16:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: This is not a formal rename debate, but I think it might be worth floating the idea briefly. Basically, I would argue for a rename to Philip of Belgium on the grounds that Léopolds 1-3 have Anglicized article names anyway which causes no confusion. Given that the "of Belgium" is shoved in anyway, it would avoid the arbitrary choice that needs to be made between French and Dutch versions. What does everyone think? Brigade Piron (talk) 14:27, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I'm cautious however, is Philippe an established norm? Endrū Hejs (talk) 02:29, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed rename 

message: This guy is the King of Belgium, and thus, should logically be notable, but this page basically is... he went to college, got married, and joined a trade board, where he was involved in some stuff which isn't really described.
We have this huge list of information here, but very little to actually tell us why this guy is important. The trade board stuff seems like it should supply some meaty material, how he has effected the world. Heck, why was he given the honors which are listed down at the bottom of the article?
This guy is a head of state but this article seems to suggest he has never done anything of consequence at all. Titanium Dragon (talk) 00:05, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He hasn't. Honors are routinely given to kings and crown princes just for being a king or crown prince. It provides PR for the giver, or strengthens the ties between royalty and nobility and the like, but no actual achievements are needed for them. Doesn't mean that we have to establish notability, he is king and has received plenty of attention for that reason alone. Notability is not the same as Achievements. Fram (talk) 07:03, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Establishing notability

message: Why does this article name give preference to the french version of his name instead of remaining neutral by using the english Philip?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.104.73.213 (talk) 10:29, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If it can be shown that, in the English language, the majority or reliable sources prefer Philip to Philippe when referring to the king of the Belgians then we should move the article.  Do you have any evidence? Greenshed (talk) 02:29, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: User:Carolus added the unsourced statement "Unlike his father and grandfather, Philippe is the first Belgian King with actual Belgian ancesters: he is a direct descendant of count Jacques Coghen."
Albert II and Boudewijn are great-grandchildren of Prince Philippe, Count of Flanders (born in Laeken in 1837), grandchildren of Albert I of Belgium (born in Brussels) and children of Leopold III of Belgium (born in Brussels). If you have, in a country only going back to 1830, three generations of ancestors born in Belgium and going back to 1837, then you have "actual Belgian ancestors". I have accordingly removed the unsourced, wrong statement. Fram (talk) 09:52, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfectly reasonable. Surtsicna (talk) 10:03, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belgian descent 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Please see and discuss the principle here. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:51, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: [[King of the Belgians]] with a capital k

message: What's the use of this modification? To add a typographical error (two commas in a row)? --Leducernest (talk) 17:28, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the typographical error. All other articles about Belgium I have seen use the Belgian languages in the order first Dutch, then French and then German. I made this modification for consistency with other articles. JacobBryssen (talk) 20:08, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the typo. I switched the order of languages for consistency with all other articles about Belgium, which also use the order Dutch-French-German for the Belgian languages. JacobBryssen (talk) 20:13, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Typographical error?

message: It is my view that the names of people in our time (as of about 1900) are never translated, i.e. exonyms are not used as were used previously for historical persons whose names did not have legal spellings registered with the governments of their countries. Today, we all do. So what's with all the various names in the lead? Looks ridiculous for a modern person. I will remove all but his legal name, unless someone can come up with a reasonable argument to keep all that clutter. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't. He is the king of a three-lingual country, and all three versions are generally accepted ones. E.g. the Dutch-language full version is used by the official Dutch TV NOS or Dutch newspapers, but also Flemish newspapers and magazines. The same goes for the French version in French-language sources. As far as I know, his "legal" name actually is all three different names (I know that e.g. the King and Queen used to have multiple passports, one in each language!). Fram (talk) 13:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: On a closer look, the Belgian Royal court calls him "Philippe" in the German version of his bio there, so at least that one has to go. If "Filip" in NL (as per court text) is an alternative name in regular use, it should be bold in the text as an a.k.a. not italicized as a translation --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right that Philipp should be Philippe, I hadn't looked at the German version. The official German-language broadcaster of Belgium gives his full name in German, as "Philippe Léopold Ludwig Maria". The German version is much less often used, but then again the German community is way, way smaller than the other two. Fram (talk) 13:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Belgium has three official languages. The king is thus known by different versions of his name in different official languages. You will notice that he is called Filip in the Dutch version of his official website and Philippe in the French version. His cypher combines the letters P and F. It is possible that his legal name is or was in French only (judging at least by this Dutch-language announcement of his birth) but the Dutch version of his name is widely used and thus relevant. I am not sure whether he really is called Philipp in the German-speaking part of Belgium; he is called Philippe in the German version of the official website. Surtsicna (talk) 13:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: So many versions of his name in various languages

message: The coat of arms shown in the article does not match the official design in the royal decree of 2019 on the armorial of the Belgian royal family.  Shouldn't it be corrected? 177.76.164.205 (talk) 21:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms 

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thread_title:  RfC of interest 

message: I propose that since the Belgian monarchy is a popular monarchy, this page and all of his predecessors should have their page name changed to "of the Beglians." Ex. King Philippe of the Belgians StrawWord298944 (talk) 01:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles of all Belgian Monarchs' Pages