Talk:Dragon Tales

message: I have image(s) that could be included. I'll get on it ASAP. Agent0042 23:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, was there something in particular you need checked? Because I'm the editor of the guide at TV.com and I haven't noticed anything blatantly inaccurate, but it's possible there's something I missed. Agent0042 00:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that it's inaccurate in content, but that I thought the wiki-article might be quoting its sources too closely. In particular I had in mind the descriptions of the characters. I took a very very quick look and it seemed to me that someone might have cut-and-pasted, then changed a word here and there. Maestlin 00:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: Well, I was looking for the cast, but I guess I won't find out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.131.117 (talk) 22:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cast

message: How do we know he's 80?  I could've sworn in an ep it was stated he was "hundreds" of years old. -WarthogDemon 04:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been the better half of a year since I said this but I'll be more specific. The episode in question I believe was "Snow Dragon." Quetzel was telling Max how he played there when he was little, and Max was like, "Wow it was that long? You must be a thousand years old!" and Quetzel laughed and said, "Well, hundreds anyway." -WarthogDemon 20:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quetzal's Age 

message: Aside from being very badly-written, this article is filled with information that seems to be totally unsubstantiated speculation and, in some cases, outright fabrication. The characters bios were taken verbatim (without attribution) from Sesame Workshop's website, but occasional incorrect statements have been added to them.
*I can't find any resource that states Max and Emmy's surname is "Joblin", or that Enrique's is "Patrez". As far as I know, none of these characters' surnames has ever been given. Furthermore, "Patrez-Joblin"  implies that Enrique is in some way related to Max and Emmy. He is not.
*The character "monickers" (eg "The Other Dragon", "The Teachable Dragon") were fabricated. For example, Lorca has never been called "the Exploring Dragon"; that description doesn't even have anything to do with the character.
*The speculation that the children live in California is inappropriate (as is all speculation). We do not know where they live. The fact that there are "palm trees and mountains" does not mean they live in California. Thus, the statement that Dragonland is "in a more temperate climate" is completely unfounded.
*As WarthogDemon mentioned, Quetzel has never been said to be 80 years old. The only use of the phrase "80 years old" in reference to this series I can find is in the original script for an episode that states that another character, Captain Scalliwag, is 80 years old. (This is never stated in the series intself though.) I'm assuming someone took this and (erroneously) extrapolated that Quetzel is 80 as well, since they were friends when they were younger. This, again, is totally unfounded speculation. The statement that he has been in Dragon Land for centuries comes from his official bio; someone has added the ridiculous statement "although it is not known how this is possible, as he is only 80 years old" to it to cover the mistake.
* Unlike Enrique (who is speficially stated to be bilingual), we do not know that Quetzel is bilingual. All we know is that he speaks Spanish and English. He may in fact speak other languages that we are not aware of.
* I agree with a previous user who suggested that if Mungus the Giant is important enough to be included in the list of characters, other recurring characters like Sid Sycamore and Chilly the Snow Man should be included as well.
*The list of places in Dragon Land includes places that are only mentioned one time (eg the "Scale Store") but leaves out places that are visited repeatedly (such as the Dandelion Forest and Rainbow Canyon). Saying that the Forest of Darkness resembles "Mirkwood, and other Dark Forests" is ludicrous.
*The list of sponsors needs work. "And viewers like you" is not a legitimate sponsor. No company named "Fundworld" has ever been mentioned as a sponsor (at least not in the US). "Dextatrim Kids" does not exist and is obvious vandalism, so I have removed it. And I believe the Corporation for Public Broadcasting has, as with almost all other PBS series, been a sponsor for the entire time the series has aired. There was never a break. I'm pretty sure Chuck E. Cheese's was also a sponsor at one point, but it is not listed. And I don't recall a "Peterson Charitable Trust". I think this should be re-written as a paragraph listing companies who have been sponsors of the series at some point.
* "In a made-up sitcom, the episode Goodbye Little Caterpoozle is parodied by using a dusty sock puppet to imitate the faint images. Sometimes, Quetzal and Enrique are mentioned too." I have no clue what this is supposed to mean, but it sounds like it's supposed to be a joke.
*The opening paragraph attributes the creation of the series to one person; "Overview" credits it to someone else.
I'm listing these things here because it's entirely possible some of these them actually can be substantiated and I'm just not aware of them. However, if someone does not list sources for these things, they should be removed. It would be a good opportunity to re-write the article to improve its other flaws. Most importantly, the bios should be replaced with less-syrupy, non-POV ones.
Olivix 17:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: attribution of two people => concept vs show creation —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.114.216.9 (talk) 01:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation, Incorrect Information and Fabrications 

message: Dragon Tales is available Netflix streaming as of 2/1/13. 94 episodes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.191.83.99 (talk) 14:48, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh... what is this doing here? Saying the forest "resembsles Mirkwood" is ridiculous because "Mirkwood" is not a real place, and, thus, does not have a tangible appearance. The statement is also POV and adds nothing to the article. And if you believe places that are visited only once are important enough to be added, then, by all means, add them. All of them. Every single one. Otherwise, don't add any. And if you actually think someone is interested in that information, make a fan website. Wikipedia is not intended to be a fansite listing every minute piece of trivia about your favorite TV series. Olivix 12:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Going off the air" means no longer being aired at all. The show ceased production in 2005, but it's still being beamed through the air into people's TVs, so it's still "on the air". That's why you can watch reruns of it. Olivix (talk) 07:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Longer On Air 

message: Is the main page the appropriate place to mention controversial issues surrounding the show, such as the possible drug usage that happens when handling the "dragon stone" (via skin absorbtion?), and the hallucinations that follow, including wallpaper characters that fly off the wall, the perception of another world, parents that never notice their kids gone (are they just quiet when hallucinating?), etc?
lol
yeah they're getting high, that would explain a lot  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.157.192.197 (talk) 21:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: what? honestly, I thik the stone is supposed to be magic, and the flashing lights are supposed to be real. Magic can also explain parents not noticing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.18.71 (talk) 01:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: I see that the character desriptions have been changed. I don't understand why someone would bother replacing incorrect information and conjecture with different incorrect information and conjecture. Like, now it says Quetzel is 72. I have a suggestion: Try following Wikipedia's rules. CITE SOURCES. If you can't find a reliable source that states the information you want to include, do not include it. I suggest whoever has written the bulk of this article go make some "fan fiction" because this is not the place to make up "interesting" backstories for television characters. Olivix 12:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's been almost 4 months, and the article is in even worse shape then when I wrote the comment above.  I have completely removed the Characters section, since much of it is unsubstantiated, and much of the rest is in terrible condition.  --Rehcsif 22:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is writing these things? 

message: Someone keeps changing the "Last Air Date". At first, it was "April 11, 2005", then it was changed to "present", then to just "2005", now it says "2007". Can anyone explain this?
Yes, the series is still currently on air on PBS in most American cities as well as Sprout
I think they're re-runs only? Because there are no news about new episodes, they are just re-runs. --68.127.162.104 17:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last air date 

message: Okay--so, after making minor changes to the character descriptions (in the interest of my own personal grammar-fascist mission), I stopped and read the talk page, and it got me interested in where, exactly, these descriptions came from. After a little Googling, I discovered: what we have in the character section here is a BLATANT COPYRIGHT VIOLATION. Look at the character descriptions on the WP page, then go here:  
Hmm. A slight similarity, yes? 
Since I don't have the time to rewrite the entire thing this afternoon, I will be puttering around with it bit by bit--but the current incarnation of this section has got to go. (I'm amazed at how many articles have issues like this--don't the schools teach about the evils of plagiarism any more?)Gladys j cortez (talk) 20:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant copyvio 

message: Re: my edit of 12/17, 10:25 AM CDT: I don't normally revert good-faith edits, but there was really very little to be salvaged from this one. The grammar changes in the minor-character list were a matter of preference, and there is no character called "Old" nor any location called "Old's cave"--perhaps you're thinking of ORD? I realize we may be dealing with a younger editor here--the tone of the "Lorca" additions makes me think so--but in all good conscience I couldn't leave it as it stood. To the editor who made those changes: I apologize if my actions seem harsh; please keep trying.Gladys j cortez (talk) 16:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Justification of my edit 

message: I am placing this here so that no one can say it's not been dealt with on the talk page: We have dealt with the whole "Forest of Darkness resembles Mirkwood" issue. Quoted directly from the relevant section above:
It is not ridiculoius to say that the forest resembles mirkwood, and other dark forests, for it does. and the places that are visited once should also be mentioned. You're Wrong. You're All Wrong. Really. (unsigned comment, probably from the same person who keeps adding Mirkwood now)
    Uh... what is this doing here? Saying the forest "resembsles Mirkwood" is ridiculous because "Mirkwood" is not a real place, and, thus, does not have a tangible appearance. The statement is also POV and adds nothing to the article. And if you believe places that are visited only once are important enough to be added, then, by all means, add them. All of them. Every single one. Otherwise, don't add any. And if you actually think someone is interested in that information, make a fan website. Wikipedia is not intended to be a fansite listing every minute piece of trivia about your favorite TV series. Olivix 12:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mirkwood" 

message: As of right now (1PM CDT, Sat 1 March 2008) there is no reputably-sourced evidence that "Max" and "Emme", the newborn twin children of Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony, are named for the Dragon Tales characters. None. Zero. (Gossip columns and blogs? Not reputably-sourced.) Until VERIFIABLE information to this effect is published, further attempts to add this information to the Dragon Tales article will be treated as vandalism. WP:VER applies to cartoons and celebrities, too.Gladys J Cortez 19:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The JLo's kids thing 

message: Can anyone list the episodes where Cyrus the Slinky Serpent appears? He appears to be the only true series antagonist, so he should have a sizeable entry.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.254.4 (talk) 01:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyrus the Serpent? 

message: The character descriptions are copyvio, taken almost directly from this site. The descriptions are FAR too close for comfort, and until they're rewritten in non-promotional language, any attempt to replace them with the old stuff will be viewed as copyvio and vandalism. I will, time permitting, try to rewrite them myself; however, anyone else who wants to take a crack at it is MORE than welcome. Thanks! Gladys J Cortez 15:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character descriptions removed 10/30/08 

message: The guy above me is right. However, the current descriptions are too short. They need to be rewritten but I have no time now. I guess this does no good though because someone always replaces the information with incorrect, uncited material.--LepVektor (talk) 23:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Character Descriptions

message: where are max and emmy originally from concerning nationalities?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noliandynamite (talk • contribs) 22:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  max & emmy's nationalities  

message: Why don't we have an episode list?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.63.16 (talk) 21:03, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode List

message: As of August 30th, 2010, PBS Kids and PBS Kids Sprout has announced that they will take Dragon Tales off the air. PBS has announced that their license has expired. I am going to miss this show. It was fun. I am going to miss Dragon Tales so much. BuddyBoy600 (talk) 22:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the link . BuddyBoy600 (talk) 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Dragon Tales is ending

message: Anonymous users keep on removing all information regarding the cancellation of the show. I don't want this to happen anymore. Every time I see "tag:References removed", it means the information about Dragon Tales' cancellation is gone from the article. Please help me prevent this from happening any further. Jonghyunchung (talk) 19:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancellation of the show 

message: Someone needs to please lock this article -- I cannot withstand anonymous IP addresses removing a valid piece of information with three sources. Jonghyunchung (talk) 10:53, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lock this article! 

message: I have removed the international broadcasters, because per the guidelines at Template:Infobox television, we must use the original network that aired the series. Also, the return of the series is pure speculation. I tried looking for sources, but unfortunately, there is no source available. Rather than getting involved into an edit war, I am taking this discussion to the talk page to see if anyone can voice their opinions on this matter. Thanks, Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 14:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadcaster removal and return of series speculation? 

message: Seriously, the recent IP vandals that have been persistently vandalizing this article since July 17, 2012 aren't going to stop their vandalism anytime soon, so wouldn't it make more sense to just indefinitely protect the page?--I'm a Graduate! (talk) 23:42, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll want to go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection to post a request. Trivialist (talk) 00:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks.--I'm a Graduate! (talk) 00:45, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone semi-protect this page INDEFINITELY please! 

message: Please change "Dragon Tales is an American-Canadian animated pre-school children's television series" to "Dragon Tales is an American animated pre-school children's television series. The only work done in Canada was some of the voice recording. Dragon Tales was not a Canadian co-production. 
67.224.96.21 (talk) 19:38, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. BryanG (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as how the information about it being Canadian was itself not sourced, it would seem to me that it would have qualified for immediate zapping. Nevertheless, I've nuked the bit about it being from Canada and added the appropriate references. ProfessorTofty (talk) 16:50, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Update, it has been sourced and now User:Geraldo Perez attempted to revert the sourced and valid addition out of his own bias. I just want to be clear here, that Dragon Tales had a lot more than what was stated above, done in Canada, as the sources have shown. Animation work was performed, as shown in the sources (and thus disproving the claim by User:67.224.96.21) that only "some voice acting" was performed. 138.117.121.10 (talk) 23:23, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 29 August 2013 

message: Regarding my most recent edit comment on the article, if anyone cares, I had meant to trim information in the infobox and move it to the main article, but didn't actually get around to doing it. May still do later, per Blue's Clues, which is a featured article. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:19, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previous edit comment 

message: I'm pretty sure this edit in July 2019 is vandalism (introducing characters specifically from Lilo & Stitch, an unrelated franchise), but it's been buried under other edit, and I don't have the time nor the focus to be able to sort that out right now. If anyone wants to take care of that, they have my gratitude. 67.240.0.154 (talk) 03:19, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism on July 2019 

message: The New Dragon Tales Movie Is In Development With Warner Bros., PBS Kids, and HBO Max. 2600:1700:8FE0:2240:258D:29EB:17B4:BB42 (talk) 17:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find anything official about this. --Addict 2006 18:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Dragon Tales Movie