Talk:The Charge of the Light Brigade (poem)

message: I have moved the information about the poem to this page, and am going to work on making it into an article. There isn't a whole lot to write, but I think it deserves a page by itself, so here goes. --Mathwizard1232 02:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  

message: Should include the lines "Theirs not to reason why, / Theirs but to do and die"... AnonMoos (talk) 12:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous lines

message: Maybe see also Leichte_Kavallerie? AnonMoos (talk) 12:57, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: See also

message: Shouldn't the article have the full text of the poem. 155.212.94.216 (talk) 17:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially since the poem is actually a meditation on the conflict between patriotism and common sense. It's as much an anti-war poem as it is a celebration of British national pride. Also, technically Wikipedia isn't *supposed* to contain any simple opinions in the body of the article. Now, if you wanted to create a section for the article entitled "Criticisms", that'd be fine, but you'd also find yourself swamped with criticisms OF the criticisms. And it's not supposed to be "metrically sound" -- it's supposed to have a basic form which is interrupted by incongruous and jarring parts, much the way a mounted charge in 19th century warfare would have sounded. 134.173.13.19 (talk) 00:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: text

message: "Massacre" based on "The Charge of the Light Brigade"? Are you kidding me? The song is obviously about Indians. I mean, the intro melody has a pretty "indian" feel, mention of buffalos and canyons - standard western motifs. Or, just listen to what the guys from the band have to say (around the 2:15 mark). I'm gonna remove that line from the article. Roda (talk) 21:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Thin Lizzy connection

message: There is another reference in popular culture: Peter F Hamilton has one of the characters in "Judas Unchained" (volume 2 of the Commonwealth Saga) quoting lines from this work while they chase the Starflyer, trying to prevent it from escaping to its ship.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.31.89.127 (talk) 00:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular Culture

message: Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.
Is it 
Unto the valley of Death
  Rolled the six hundred?
My memory says so.Unfortunately, i do not have references for this.
Can anyone put it the correct way?
alpamati 11:51, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, I have the Bedford Introduction to Literature sitting beside me, and it says "Into the ... Rode" for each of the 6 stanzas. 24.208.37.3 (talk) 02:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  correctness 

message: He was the poet laureate of the United Kingdom at the time of the writing of the poem and the work reflects his compromised ability to express anti-war, populist sentiments while still reflecting his patriotism and remaining in the Crown's favour.
This sounds very much like an opinion, and needs some citation or source. Does not seem like it should be in the introductory section of the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.225.207.97 (talk) 22:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  opinion in the summary 

message: The 1923 edition used for Wikisource which has "the soldiers knew" differs from Tennyson's own manuscript here: http://web.archive.org/web/20070407071840/http://etext.virginia.edu/britpo/tennyson/TenChar1.jpg
which seems like a definitive primary source. His handwriting is reasonably clear, so I have corrected as per WP:QUOTE. Straw Cat (talk) 11:20, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correctness again 

message: ...made a reference to the poem in 1974. A2Kafir (and...?) 03:05, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Peanuts".... 

message: It was very poorly written and difficult to understand, and inasmuch as I did understand it, it seems to be incorrect. 
The gist is that the text of the poem contradicts the actual history, but I can't see any such contradiction. One of the references it cites claims that Tennyson's poem is wrong, because the charge wasn't "a disaster", since it did accomplish something. However, a charge can be disastrous without being utterly futile, and furthermore the poem never states that there was no benefit, only that "someone had blundered", which does certainly seem to be the case. There's another citation which seems entirely irrelevant.
If there is some actual information to be had here, someone will have to rewrite the section in a way that clarifies what that information is.
Here is the removed text:
The poem is based on a misunderstanding of the battle, in which the Light Brigade actually lost only 110 killed out of 666 men.  A reporter for a London newspaper got it wrong, writing that it was a disastrous charge by the Light Brigade, according to Andrew Lambert, professor of naval history at King’s College London. The Brigade, sent into a nearly hopeless situation due to command confusion and incompetence, actually fought its way out of a Russian trap and got back to its own lines.  Tennyson used that mistaken story as the basis for his poem, and refused to change it even after he learned of the mistake.
And here are two references it cited:
http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/03/13/history-crimean-war
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/crimea_01.shtml  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.94.180.144 (talk) 13:01, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  I removed the section "based on a mistaken war story" 

message: The poem was published on its own. As a pamphlet, for troops in the Crimean War. So, according to MOS:TITLE, this should be italic. Thanks. In Memoriam A.H.H.What, you egg?.  16:31, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the name be in italic? 

message: "There, it was distributed in pornographic form at the behest of Jane, Lady Franklin"
Well that creates an image I'm not going to forget in a hurry.  It'll probably be on youtube somewhere.
46.227.49.108 (talk) 14:27, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  You what?  Really? 

message: The link that was 9, meant to direct to the publisher’s (Penguinrandomhouse.com) listing for TERRY BRIGHTON author of Hell Riders: The True Story of the Charge of the Light Brigade is now invalid. They no longer even list the book and the former link now directs to an explicit pornography advertising page instead, so I just disabled it for now.
I don’t know what an appropriate replacement would be and I mostly just correct typos so could someone skilled correct this issue and also the footnote link that is now #9 (formerly 10 before I removed the porn link) for the Iron Maiden song reference is also invalid now. At least that one still goes to their website. I thought it was better to do the minimum than mess up the article.
Ebdonaldson (talk) 19:43, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored the Terry Brighton reference, without the link - we don't need a link when a book is cited. DuncanHill (talk) 19:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please fix two links 

message: This article would benefit from a section on the reception of the poem. Was the public aghast, apathetic or astounded? Did the critics applaud, abhor or acknowledge his oeuvre? I pleade that someone with scholarly knowledge of such matters would expand the article on this subject. Thank you. OJH (talk) 07:45, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  A pleade for a section on the reception