Talk:Harald Hardrada

message: The article lists his religion as "Roman Catholicism." I think this is problematic for 2 reasons: 1, he spent many years in Constantinople, where he would be attending Eastern churches. 2, the schism between Rome and Constantinople did not occur until 1054, 12 years before Harald's death, and even then it took a while to really set in, so "Roman Catholicism" is an anachronism. It would probably be best just to call him a "Christian" or "Catholic Christian." TheEvilPanda (talk) 13:16, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harald's Religion 

message: It is stated that, "Among English-speakers, he is generally remembered for his invasion of England in 1066." This is confusing as it is generally known that England was invaded by William the Conqueror in 1066. Harald III of Norway was defeated by Harold Godwinson near York. After the battle with Harald III, Harold Godwinson turned south to meet William at Hastings. Harold Godwinson lost the Battle of Hastings to William.
The text sounds like Harald III invaded England instead of William the Conqueror. While Harald III did in fact land in England, his aim was to claim the throne from Harold Godwinson. I feel this area needs clarification. --Beowulf cam (talk) 01:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the confusion is all in the events. Both Harald and William invaded in 1066, within a very short time. Harold beat and killed one, lost to the other. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text requires clarification 

message: I am looking for a Biography or any detailed account of Harald III of Norway’s Life.
Any help at all would be appreciated.
Thanks
Joel
: You can get the main account, King Harald's Saga: Harald Hardradi of Norway: from Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla.  Also check on Amazon for 'Harald Hardrada', which is the standard version though it may be inaccurate.  
:A check on Amazon indicated no actual biographies in English: but with the multiple versions of his name, googling the variants might pay off.
:--GwydionM 16:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's an old translation here but note that this isn't the only primary source, there are several other kings' sagas which treat Haraldr and he is mentioned, though not by name, in Byzantine sources. Haukur 19:05, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does anyone know of a good History? 

message: Please discuss the requested move at Talk:Harald I of Norway. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 17:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Closed as no consensus.  —Wknight94 (talk) 19:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Is he really called Hardråde in English? Seems like a strange form... --dllu 23:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he is, quite frequently.  You'll sometimes see "Hardraade" too, as the a with the circle over it can also be written as too a's.  Typically you won't see "Hardruler" in English or "Stern-Council," though those are two common translations.  VincentValentine29 21:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Penguin Classics translation of 1966 uses Hardradi.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.93.254.128 (talk) 22:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cognomen 

message: As far as I know, Harald was not King of Denmark; he only claimed to be, until about 1062/4. Svend Estridsen was the actual King of Denmark at the time.
Deaþe gecweald 09:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denmark 

message: I don't know what Harald Hardrada ever did to him, but there was some big vandalism on this page, though I've since removed it and replaced it with the old text. JayPetey (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I don't know what Harald Hardrada ever did to him, but there was some big vandalism on this page, though I've since removed it and replaced it with the old text. JayPetey (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Two operas at least based on this: one by Kurt Atterberg (Härvard Harpolekare) and one by Judith Weir (King Harald's Saga). Schissel | Sound the Note! 13:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harald in opera 

message: "Harald's Denmark campaigns were unpopular at home, most notably in Trøndelag in the north, and this was manifested in some districts' withholding taxes to show their displeasure. Harald dealt with this opposition with brutal force. Sturluson comments that he 'had the farmers seized. Some he had maimed, others killed, and of many he confiscated all of their property'"
This quote actually refers to events after the Battle of the Nissa, when Harald demands taxes from farmers already paying them to Hakon Ivarsson, Earl of the Uplands. It has nothing to do with the Denmark campaigns.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.93.254.128 (talk) 22:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious quote error 

message: The Wikipedia site on 'Vikings' refers to Harald as the last pagan king of Norway, but would he have fought beside Olav II at Stiklestad or allowed to marry Yaroslav's daughter if he had not been baptized?  Does anyone know of any source that denies or any reason to assume that he was not baptized and thus at least nominally a Christian?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.52.199.50 (talk) 05:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Harald was most definitely baptized. This is clearly wrong.--Barend (talk) 15:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Last pagan king of Norway?

message: At the end of the Battle of Stamford Bridge, the Anglo Saxon Chronicle states... "And the King's son, Edmund, Harold let go home to Norway, with all the ships." The "let go home to Norway" seems to suggest that Harald Hardrada had a son, Edmund, as well. Does anyone know who this is referring to? --Jasonkclark (talk) 05:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably Olaf Kyrre   Fornadan (t) 10:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edmund? 

message: One quote I think I remember (hah!) was that Harold Godwinsson promises six feet of English earth to all the invaders with Tostig and Hardrada, "Or rather more for Hardrada, as he is taller than most men"; is it known if there is anything to this?  Was Hardrada seven feet tall?  Auto 20120918 1800Z   109.154.21.249 (talk) 17:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Unusually tall for his time, yes. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height 

message: The caption to this image states that the triquetra "". Although the statement is sourced, it appears to be incorrect. For example, this 10th century coin of Amlaíb Cuarán bears a triquetra. Maybe someone can double-check the source. I think it's either flat-out wrong, as century-old sources often are, or else it might actually refer to the symbol's first appearance on coins minted  in Scandinavia.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 05:22, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems I made a slight error when entering the entence. The source actually says: "[(Discussing Harald's coin)...] But also the "shield-mark" (i.e. the triquetra) originates from Denmark. It was introduced by Cnut the Great on his coins from Roskilde, and was likewise used by his successors. Cnut had adopted the shield-mark from the ancient Danish kings in Northumbria, and without doubt wanted to characterise himself as a Scylding (the Danish legendary kings). When Harald Sigurdsson adopted the same mark on his coins, it was apparently to claim his right to Denmark as heir to Magnus Olavsson and the Scyldings." It thus seems it should be "first in Denmark" (probably Scandinavia too though). I will try to rewrite the sentence accordingly. Thhist (talk) 12:24, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triquetra caption 

message: As regulars of this article are aware, I have been improving this article over some time, and are now thinking to nominate it for Good Article. Before I do so, it would however be helpful to hear the opinion of other editors who follow this article. What I am asking is if someone think there is something missing in the article which should be added, or if there are things that could have been done in a better way. A more specific issue that I think will be problematic for a GA nom is the "In fiction" section (Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content), which is wholly unsourced, and possibly consists of a rather random selection(?). I don't know what is most appropriate to do, but I would considering just removing the entire section, or at least revamping it with only significant sourced content. What do you think? Thhist (talk) 10:17, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: The article's now been put up for a GA review. Thhist (talk) 20:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preparing GA nom 

message: "Hardrada" is an absolutley impossible spelling. Mainly due to the ending a-letter. It's spelled Haardraade. In modern  (= post 1950's) Norwegian Hårdråde. Hence acceptable in English could be Hardrade - but where on earth does de ending -a emerges from ? It suggests that the king was a woman ! Boeing720 (talk) 23:37, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if you're used to Spanish and Italian :-) "Hardrade" reads in English as if the second bit should rhyme with "made"; that -e as a rendering of Old Norse -i doesn't occur in English, which uses final -e to indicate vowel length. "Hardrada" is the traditional English form of the epithet. (I suggest you search for "Harald Hardrada" on Google Books - it's all or part of the title of several works in English). Yngvadottir (talk) 04:09, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: English epithet ? (???) What about the Norwegian and Danish epiteth then ? Wikipedia is supposed to use a global point of view, and since it was a Norwegian king, his true and Norwegian name ought to be used. But "Hardrade" (instead of "Hårdråde" or "Haardraade") is a well enough compromize, I think. There are the same amount of Danish-Norwegian litterature of "Haardraade/Hårdråde". Using "Hardrada" is pure British bias, I'm sorry to say. When the English arrived to central Africa, India or Australia etc, then they were concidered to be "more civilized Humans", since they had managed to make the long journey. But the Vikinger - who indeed came to England, not the other way around, is still concidered as "savages". Howcome ? The Vikinger were from the 8th century and a quater of a Millenium ahead the worlds leading sailors (navigators) and ship builders aswell as they, when necessary, became the most feared enemy trough the times. Yet they could read and write, adapt Chistianity, and they were tall and well fead (proven by skeleton findings). Why should only the British own the history ? Boeing720 (talk) 04:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm - you're making a lot of unwarranted assumptions, beginning with the "British" thing - this is the English-language wikipedia. The point here is WP:COMMONNAME. "Hardrade" is a meaningless spelling in English. The epithet is spelled "Hardrada" in this language. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:31, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

text: The British do not own history, but on the English language Wikipedia, we use the most common name used in English language reliable sources (WP:COMMONNAME), which has been explained to you before. Actually, a search in Google Books for "Hardrade" does turn up many sources, including Encyclopedia Brittanica. But far more sources use "Hardrada." Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 04:36, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dano-Norwegian form/spelling is quite irrelevant, since the language that he and his Norwegian contemporaries used was Old Norse and not Dano-Norwegian. There is also no reason for the modern Norwegian, strongly altered form to be used in English; nations and languages don't hold some sort of permanent copyright over the exact form of names in other languages. It is normal for languages to have their own versions of foreign names, and you can't maintain the original form of every name: Czech Praha is Prague in English, Greek Aristotelēs is Aristotle, etc. The ending -a is what nouns of the old Germanic weak declension get in Old English, whereas they get -i in Old Norse, so Hardrada is the natural Anglo-Saxon counterpart of the Old Norse name according to the laws of the development of the two languages.--94.155.68.202 (talk) 14:11, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silly spelling 

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