Talk:Mario/Archive 2

message: To meet wikistandards, I have shortened the introduction to this article by relocating the information. I reworded some of the remaining info in the intro, but if anyone feels it doesn't read well, please say so or change it. Satchfan 11:50, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: I'm wondering about the effect of printing these two lines:
"To date, nearly 200 million games featuring Mario have been sold" 
and
"overall, Mario games have sold over approximately 152 million copies worldwide,"
To the average reader, there is a rather considerable difference between 200 and 152. Not knowing about the stats myself, I can't provide much help, but can this be reworded in some way or revised to make it seem not quite so contradicting?
Also, isn't "over approximately" redundant? I think only one word should be used. 203.45.15.218 06:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. The number was at around 183m if I recall correctly. -- ReyBrujo 11:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario Game Sales 

message: I notice a distinct lack of...well, any mention at all of Dr. Mario. As it's spanned several systems, I think it's worth a note.
00:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Mario 

message: Hey. I'm curious who designed the Mario character template, which is at the bottom of Mario's profile. It seems to me a bit jumbled and could use some reorganization. I'd be happy to do it. I'm just not sure how. Anyone? Kidicarus222 21:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually two templates:  and . --Golbez 22:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Edits can be made; whether or not they will take is not my clal. --Golbez 01:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Mario character template 

message: It is fairly obvious for a merger to eliminate the need for the Baby Mario, especially since someone already copied the article over to Mario.  In the grand scheme of things, baby mario can just be part of this article rather than a stub off to the side.  Some anon user already went and put back the content from an redirect put in place by someone else, so this is just to make it nice and formal.    --Kevin Breitenstein 07:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger from [[Baby Mario]] 

message: I know the name issue has arleady been discussed, but it's been suggested that "Mario Mario" should be considered Mario's real name because his parents' last name is given as Mario in Yoshi's Island. Is this statement correct? I've never played Yoshi's Island -- I was just too busy at the time it came out. But I can't find mention of this anywhere else. For anyone who has played it, where in the game is this mentioned, if it is? In the ending, maybe? Also, do his parents have first names, or are they just Mr. and Mrs. Mario? This seems relevant to the whole name debate, but I'd like to be sure of what was said. -- Lee Bailey(talk) 15:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The parents' names aren't given, first or last. It just calls them "mom and dad". Agent CH 02:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I was skeptical about this, especially considering that's it isn't mentioned anywhere online that I can find. You would think if it was in the game fans would be jumping to prove the theory of Mario's last name once and for all. Unless anyone else has a source, I'm going to continue operating under the assumption that the name is unknown. -- Lee Bailey(talk) 16:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario Mario Revisted 

message: Jump man redirects here but the words don't appear in the article at all. savidan(talk) (e@) 02:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not as two words. It's one word, "Jumpman", his name in Donkey Kong. Agent CH 02:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jump man 

message: Ok, my first thought at looking at this is the references are very few and far between, but really, this is Mario we're talking about. Im thinking alot of this stuff should be easy to cite in large chunks at a time by citing just general stuff about the various games and large things from nintendo, anyone else have ideas? Homestarmy 02:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration 

message: you know i think that image SHOULD be removed! the one that says marios appearance in the donkey kong arcade game. i think its stupid and ugly. what do you think? Touth 04:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not obvious to you that we disagree? You don't own the article. Neither do we for that matter. You have been reported for a [[WP:3RR}Three Revert Rule]] violation. --Golbez 05:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to re-add this, but someone beat me to it. Aesthetically speaking, it wouldn't kill me if the image was a touch smaller, but the image itself is quite interesting and says a lot about how much Mario has evolved. That said, do you know is this image was from the actual side of the arcade cabinet, or some sort if it's from some kind of ad, or somewhere else? Right now the caption just says it's from Donkey Kong, and although it's sort of obvious, it should probably be phrased in such a way so no one can mistake it for in-game art.  -- Lee Bailey(talk) 05:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually have no opinion on the image itself - merely the methods taken to remove it. --Golbez 05:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yeah. That too. -- Lee Bailey(talk) 07:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario image 

message: I'm rewriting the lead tonight because this article is The Good Article Collaboration of the Week, and because the Lead doesn't cover the scope of the article as recommended in WP:LEAD.
I imagine some of the things I remove may not be mentioned elsewhere in the article, so I am leaving the old lead here.Bugmuncher 04:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fine to me, but I just got here heh. Homestarmy 04:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old lead

message: I think there is far too much detail on Yoshi for an article about Mario and it dilutes an otherwise reasonable article. I'd jump in and start ripping stuff out like all but the briefest mention in SMS for example, but I thought I'd garner some feedback first. Garglebutt / (talk) 07:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yoshi 

message: We all know Mario is tubby. If he's 4 feet tall, and weighs 75 pounds, then his BMI is 22.9. That's well in the "normal" range. I would believe his BMI would be higher. . . he should weigh much more than 75 pounds.
-LuigiMario
There are people who look tubby, but weigh less due to other factors. AllStarZ 03:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mario can't be 75 pounds. 

message: Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Mario talk in both Paper Mario and Mario 64 ("thank you for playing this game-a")?
Eikern 21:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe, but he doesn't really talk in the main game. He does make some "ah-hah", "woo", etc. noises, which aren't really considered talking. (If I remember correctly, he also says "It's-a me, Mario!" somewhere.) But still, no real mono/dialogue. — SheeEttin {T/C} 21:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He may not have any real dialogue, but he still has a very recognizable voice, don't you think? Millions of gamers would be able to recognize him saying 'It's-a me, Mario!' So wouldn't that preclude him really being a silent protagonist? 172.191.72.191 04:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. In-game, he doesn't really speak or have any dialogue, which would make him a speaking character. Since he doesn't, he isn't considered speaking. Oh, and please indent replies with a ":". — SheeEttin {T/C} 20:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category Silent protagonists 

message: Okay, so we're getting into a bit of an edit war with the infobox. I, personally, would like to keep it. You might say that no other Nintendo characters have infoboxen: I think they could use them. Most major characters in anything else (TV, Movies, etc.) have infoboxen. Why shouldn't video game characters? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SheeEttin (talk • contribs) .
:OK, so cite his weight. His age? His homeworld? There is more uncited, unverifiable information in that infobox than there is in most articles. It adds nothing to the article but cruft. --Golbez 18:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Golbez on this one; it may be humourous, but it's not encyclopedia material. If an infobox is used, it would make more sense to have appearances in video games and popular culture mentioned, date of inception, creator, artists, etc.  Homeland is useless in this case. --Xinit 18:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sound fair enough? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of which is already contained in the introduction paragraph. There's no standardized template for video characters (thankfully), so we shouldn't start making up things to go in there. --Golbez 18:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, god let's not rip apart the intro. I know certain games have templates for this stuff, Pokémon has one for Pokémon and has one for characters, but I don't see it adding any value to the article. (And the character one is hideous ¬_¬) Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Some people would only visit the page for quick facts (e.g. citations, fact checks), and they don't really want to read paragraphs for information. I'm going to see about making a series-specific infobox for the Mario series, and maybe a few others to go with other major series. I do things like that when I get motivated. If you'd like to see what it looks like right this second, see User:SheeEttin/cvg-infobox. I don't save often when editing, though, so any edits won't be seen for a while. — SheeEttin {T/C} 22:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have to modify  to make a Mario series template. It's made so that it's easy to make sub-boxes for series-specific information. I suggest you take a look at  and base your work on that, so that you're not duplicating effort and so that your box can easily be integrated into the universal box. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You tell me this after I finish it. Well, it's not finished, but... Anyway, as I was looking at it, I was kind of thinking the same thing, but maybe add a  to the top right, though I can't see how to align to both left and center in the smae line, and frankly, I don't think it can be done. I'm probably just going to do what you said. — SheeEttin {T/C} 23:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Freeze people! Anyone that has a high enough IQ to get here can read the opening paragraph. I don't see the advantage of doubling information. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 06:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I agree, but I don't feel so strongly as to stop someone from using an infobox on this article, and I suggested a standard, non-cruft-heavy one. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm... I guess we'll get rid of it for now, and maybe put one in if someone makes one at some point in the future. If nobody has any objections, I think it's about time to archive the talk page. — SheeEttin {T/C} 18:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Just wondering, where does the info about Mario's weight come from? And is that weight accompanied by a height? Because 75 pounds for an adult male is definately a rather unusual statistic. -- Lee Bailey(talk) 13:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: There is now a free image of Super Mario, see :sv:Bild:Stefsupermario.jpg. /81.170.235.234 12:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh... and what exactly do you want to do with this? — SheeEttin {T/C} 18:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He is just informing there is a free image of Mario. I am not sure if it is really free, though, but could be. The image can be included in the English Wikipedia if so. -- ReyBrujo 19:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't read that language (Svenskä, I think--I don't even know what that is. Is it Swedish?), but that looked like the GNU license template, so it would be considered free. I'm still not sure where it would be included, or why. — SheeEttin {T/C} 19:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mario in popular culture, a section that is apparently missing in the article. -- ReyBrujo 19:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have some magazines with readers complaining about Mario setting examples in the plumbing industry, would you consider that culture?  I am trying to be serious, but whatever. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I don't think it's popular culture, pretty sure that's a sign near the German Nintendo of Europe head office. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In any case, if anyone has some material for a Mario in popular culture section, we might have a use for it. — SheeEttin {T/C} 23:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free image of Mario 

message: I am going to archive the talk page on or about June 20. If anyone has any discussions they do NOT want to be moved during the archive, please state them here. Dicussions created after June 18 will not be moved. — SheeEttin {T/C} 18:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive