Talk:Pskov Republic

message: Moved the section from the article. 
* Center of tribal union of North Kriviches (Pleskoviches) until c. 800...
* To Novgorod............c.800-862
* To Principality of Pskov...................862-864
* To Novgorod....................................864-1132
* To Principality of Pskov..................1132-1136
* To Novgorod...................................1136-1137
* To Principality of Pskov..................1137-1138
* To Novgorod...................................1138-1177
* To Principality of Pskov..................1177-1180
* To Novgorod...................................1180-1209
* To Principality of Pskov..................1209-1211
* To Novgorod...................................1211-1212
* To Principality of Pskov..................1212-1214
* To Novgorod...................................1214-1215
* To Sackalia (Lembitu).................1215
* To Principality of Pskov..................1215-1227
* To Novgorod...................................1227-1232
* To Principality of Pskov..................1232-1230s
* To Novgorod...................................1230s-1240
* To Livonia.................1240-1242
* To Novgorod...................................1242-1341
GEDIMINAS
* Wigund (Andrzej I; son of Olgierd)....1341-1343 d. 1399
? 4th Lithuanian dynasty
* John I....................................1343-134 ?
GEDIMINAS
* Wigund (restored).............................1340s -1348 d. 1399
? 4th Lithuanian dynasty
* Eustatius of Izborsk......................1348-1356 d.1360
dynasty with unknown origin
* Basil II Waked the Waves..................1356-1358
? 4th Lithuanian dynasty
* Eustatius of Izborsk (restored)...............1358-1360
dynasty with unknown origin
* Alexander III.............................1360-137 ?
dynasty with unknown origin
* Matvey....................................1370s-1377
GEDIMINAS
* Wigund (re-restored)..........................1377-1379/1386
* anarchy...................................1386-1394
* Wigund (re-re-restored).......................1394-1396
* John I (son of Wigund, grandson of Olgierd)....................................1396-1399 d.aft.1437 with...
? 4th Lithuanian dynasty
* Gregory.....................................1396-1404 d.1417 with...
RURIKOVICH-Kholmsky
* John I of Kholm...........................1399 and then... d. 1402
R.-Rostovsky
* Daniel I..................................1401-1407 d.1409
R.-Moskovsky
* Constantine I of Uglich...................1407-1408 with... d.1433
R.-Beloozersky
* Constantine II..............................1407-1408 and then...
R.-Rostovsky
* Daniel I (restored)...........................1408-1409
* Alexander IV the Chip.....................1410-1412 d. aft. 1434
R.-Moskovsky
* Constantine I of Uglich (restored)............1412-1413
* Constantine I of Uglich (re-restored).........1414
R.-Rostovskiy
* Andrew II.................................1415-1417
* Theodore I................................1417-1420
* Alexander IV the Chip (restored)..............1421-1423
GEDIMINAS-Zwenihorodski
* Theodore II (son of Patrycy).............................1424-1425 d. 1426
* anarchy 1425-1428
RURIKOVICH.-Rostovsky
* Demetrius I.............................................1428 d. aft. 1434
* Alexander IV the Chip (re-restored)...........1429-1434
* Vladimir II...............................1434-1436
R.-Babichev
* John II the Milksop.......................1436
R.-Shuisky
* Boris.......................................1436
R.-Rostovsky
* Vladimir II (restored)..........................1436-1439 with...
GEDIMINAS
* John I (restored).............................1437
* Alexander V (son of John I, grandson of Wigund, grand-grandson of Olgierd)....................................1439-1442
G.-Czartoryski
* Aleksander VI......1443-1447
RURIKOVICH-Shuisky
* Basil III the Comb........................1448-1455 with...
R-Moskovskiy:
* John III Shemyakin........................1454 d. aft. 1454
GEDIMINAS-Czartoryski
* Alexander VI (restored).......................1455-1460
RURIKOVICH-Obolenskiy
* John IV the Bobbed........................1460-1461
R-Rostovskiy
* Vladimir III..............................1461-1462
GEDIMINAS-Zwenihorodski
* John V (son of Patrycy).............................1463-1466 with...
RURIKOVICH-Shuisky
* Theodore III................................1463 d. 1472
* anarchy.......................................1466-1467
* Theodore III (restored).......................1467-1472
R.-Obolensky
* Yaroslav II...............................1472-1474 d. 1488
R.-Kholmsky
* Daniel II.................................1474-1475 d. aft. 1485
* Yaroslav II (restored)........................1475-1477
R.-Shuisky
* Basil IV..................................1478-1480 d. 1496
R.-Obolensky
* Andrew III the Nail.......................1480
* Yaroslav II (re-restored).......................1480-1488
R.-Starodubsky
* Simeon....................................1489-1491
R.-Shuisky
* Basil IV (restored)...........................1491-1496
R.-Rostovsky
* Alexander VII.............................1496-1499
R.-Moskovsky
* Basil V (in Moscow 1502-1533 as Basil III)......................................1499-1502 d. 1533
R.-Obolensky
* Alexander VIII............................1502
R.-Shuisky
* John VI the Hunchback.......................1502-1503
R.-Rostovsky
* Demetrius II..............................1503-1507
R.-Yaroslavsky
* Peter I the Great (NOT Peter I of Russia!)......................................1507-1509
R.- ?
* Peter II the Found........................1509-1510 d. aft. 1510
* To Muscovy..........1510-1547
* To Muscovy..............1547-1581
* To Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.........1581-1582
* To Muscovy....................................1582-1608
* To Principality of Pskov..................1608-May 18, 1612
** False Demetrius II the Brigand of Tushino.......................................1608-1611
** False Demetrius III (Isidor) the Brigand of Pskov.........................................1611-May 18, 1612
* To Muscovy....................................1612-1721
* To Russia..................1721-1917
* To Soviet Russia..........................1917-1919
* To Estonia................................1919-1920
* To Soviet Russia..........................1920-1922
* To Soviet Union...........................1922-1941
* German Reich (Ostland)..............................1941-1944
* To Soviet Union...............................1944-1991
* To Russia.................................1991
Renata (talk) 09:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruling Princes 

message: I just wondered if this article and Principality of Pskov is duplicate articles about the same state. Seems to me the two pages should be merged.  -GabaG (talk) 18:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate article??

message: I have removed this for the following reasons:
# The events leading to Moscow's domination in the late 14th century are not directly related to the fall - chronologically they are closer to the establishment of Pskov as a separate entity
# Pskov's participation in the Battle of Kulikovo is not certain, there is some discussion of it in the ru-wiki article about the battle ru:Куликовская_битва#Русские_войска
# The 1399 date is on much firmer ground but again the details are not completely right (at first knyaz was chosen by Pskovians and only later appointed by Moscow). There is no way to check it as there are no references.
# The relevance of the presence of Gediminid princes is not obvious. Even though there were several Lithuanian (or rather west-Russian) -origin princes/viceroys they were still appointed by Moscow. Also their names do not match (I see one Czartoryski in the list of Pskov princes) and the source cannot be found.
Happy to discuss how this can still be incorporated in the article. Alaexis¿question? 21:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final years