Talk:Melbourne Rebels

message: I'd like to propose moving this article to Melbourne Rebels(ARC) and developing this page for the new Super 15 team. We can then put a disambiguation at the top reading </br>
For the team of the same name in the Australian Rugby Championship please see Melbourne Rebels(ARC)
That way, people coming will find information on the current team, not the old one.
Thoughts? </br>
Paul</br>
Paul Roberton (talk) 14:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Separating ARC and S15 teams

message: References always go at the bottom, so don't just keep adding things beneath the previous section.
I like that you're enthusiastic and have ideas, but take a breath! I'm trying to make practical changes but you're half a step ahead of me and I'm no mind reader lol.... Make a list of the things you need done, and I'll help. You don't need to do everything yourself and you don't need to do it so quickly. Put your list here, and between us we can manage it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proberton (talk • contribs) 11:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Hatgreg - A few things to remember

message: Watch the colours of the team strip. I've seen photographs suggesting the shirt is predominantly BLUE with two white hoops. I'll find it and post a link here. 12:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Colours

message: Here is a list of Things that need to be added to this article
* Consider images of signed player, e.g. 'Wallaby Adam Freier congratulated by teammates Sam Cordingly and Julian Huxley for scoring Australia's second try against Canada, RWC 2007,' image by Sam Herd.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21694664@N03/2338326986 flickr says: "Anyone can see this photo." --wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 13:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Complete agree with what you're saying but I think we need to make sure that such an entry fits with the style and voice of the prose of those articles. I do think though that we need a policy of sorts as to where the entry goes ie I'd suggest it goes in the 'career' section rather than the lead. Thoughts? Comes.amanuensis (talk) 22:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Yes, re where, I agree the 'career' section is appropriate for the detail. Although I think it would be good to mention of the Rebels in the lead. Perhaps very early 2010 would be the time to have all leads amended to emphasise that the player is a CURRENT player with the Melbourne Rebels? An, to sumarise, details should be in the 'career' section.
I struggle with the prose, and it's helpful to have templates.
--Wcrosbie (talk) 22:56, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes! I wonder if it a little premature for Rebels sections on those pages, but I think that if we can find good detail- length of contract, $$ value, the date they were signed, perhaps why they chose to leave their current club etc, with a good stump on the Rebels generally such as "The Melbourne Rebels, the most recently established franchise of SANZAR's provincial Super rugby competition, announced they had signed [SURNAME] to fill a [RUGBY POSITION] Role. [INSERT A QUOTE..blah blah blah]. The [NEWS SOURCE] reports the Rebels offered them [$$$$] over [NUMBER} years.
Thoughts?
* A history of the teams conception, DONE.
* the original bid for the fourth team of Australia, DONE.
* to the announcement of the expansion to 15 teams, DONE.
* competition with southern kings, other bids in the process, DONE.
* franchise handover, DONE.
* CEO appointment, DONE.
* Coach appointment. DONE.
* Ad Ben Darwin, scrum coach. DONE --wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 17:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm really a new comer to the the Super 14 but if he's more recently with the Waratahs then by all means let's take out that Brumbies reference. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 22:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

text: By the way, this Betham/Brumbies idea was copied to http://www.rebel-army.com/meet-the-rebels --wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 11:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Things to do

message: Schalk Burger, Jacque Fourie and Bryan Habanna have not signed for the Rebels, that's pure speculation. Removing now. Crazydude22 (talk) 14:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: However, Cipriani's Rebels' profile says flyhalf.wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 07:06, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: players

message: Although Cipriani played Flyhalf for the Wasp, Macqueen did say he wanted him at Fullback for the Rebels.
[Herald Sun http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/club-not-cash-lures-cipriani-to-rebels/story-e6frf9if-1225832383606]
"Rebels coach Rod Macqueen has been in regular contact with Cipriani, who he has pencilled in as his fullback, since he was interviewed by assistant coach Damien Hill and recruiting consultant John Connolly in London last month."
Paul Roberton (talk) 13:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: However, Cipriani's Rebels' profile says flyhalf.wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 07:06, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cipriani was at FB, now FH 

message: I think we're over reaching a little.I've been having a look at some articles; Melbourne Storm, Western Force and Melbourne Heart. I think we can dial the history section back a bit, particularly the early (pre 1900) stuff. ( I might put it into the rugby union in Victoria article). The bid process can be culled a little bit, and we could/should make more reference to the attendances at test matches, world cup, comm games sevens etc. Thoughts? Paul Roberton (talk) 09:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles to emulate

message: This list has had all sorts of people adding names to it. In the early days, three people were added, were either dead or not even rugby players. Players were added to this list on pure speculation. Adam Freier was added because the Rebels were "talking" to him. The ARU didn't ratify his recruitment.  Richard Kingi was added prematurely because the Rebels couldn't announce him because of the embargo.  Michael Lipman was on that list also but the ARU rejected him because he refused a drug test.  We need those footnotes to control the page, until the Rebels, or some reliable media publishes the playing list in full. Thanks. Paul ( Paul Roberton (talk)) 03:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The playing list is now doing the rounds of media outlets, and is also now available (finally) on the Rebels website here. But for the last few signings, the list is more or less up to date. Perhaps we can think about removing the footnotes to the player list, with a singular reference
"taken from The Melbourne Rebels  [ http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/player-profile.aspx official website ] as at XX/YY/2010" ? Comes.amanuensis (talk) 06:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  See, however, [ http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/Home/PlayerProfiles/tabid/202/language/en-AU/Default.aspx Player Profiles ] --wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 23:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnoting the playing list

message: The Laurie Weeks link you just reinstated links to a female fiction author.
The Luke Jones link is to the article about a soccer defender.
I'm removing the links.
comes.amanuensis 12:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Hyperlinks; Weeks and Jones

message: The Melbourne Rebels official website have removed the ARC logo from their homepage, making the ARC logo displayed here now redundant. If there are no objections in the next 12 hours, I'll take it down. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 01:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The original image of the logo, (uploaded 5 August 2010) is 100% free use with the consent of the Melbourne Rebels media unit. The user licence and attribution can be seen here: . The changes in images have been in good-faith but the image we should be using is the one that has the permission for free use from the MElbourne Rebels I'm reverting to the original image. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 07:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the old image (the licenced one) i wouldn't think complies with or maybe just inches it into quality standards, its cloudy, pixelated and misrepresents the logo. The lossless SVG is a rip from the super rugby information and media launch booklet available online from the same source as in the new Super Rugby page logo, Waratahs, Reds, Force and Brumbies I put up. You're applying licencing against quality. Why not get in contact with them and ask for use of the Vector image if it is that much of a problem, however I doubt it would, especially since its intended use and copyright is stated within the Logo licensing agreement one has to apply when uploading.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatgreg (talk • contribs) 08:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes I agree that the newer image is a better quality image. I also agree that I am applying licencing against quality but that is as it should be. Respect the copyright first. I don't feel comfortable asking more of them when I thought the original agreement was reasonable. If someone wants to contact them and report their reponses, they can be contacted on   Comes.amanuensis (talk) 10:47, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: this isn't a company, the rebel army, a private supporters group or illegal entity, this is wikipedia, the open, and free encyclopedia, if the wikimedia foundation had to aquire absolute, and personal permission from every company or brand image it displays, at reasonable resolution, then it would be out of business, on account of the people it would have to hire, I'm not going to do anything, but I believe your editing is unreasonable regulation of an article. especially considering the amount of work i've dedicated to progressing all the super rugby articles in terms of displayable graphics. As i have spoken to harold mitchell before, I believe he is a reasonable man and would understand this.--RugbyFuture (talk) 12:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  A couple of things. I don't feel I'm unreasonably regulating the article, I'm just trying to be responsible by observing the licence and permissions that are in place.I reiterate my point of encouraging other people to contact Rebels Media and abide by what ever agreement you make with them. As one who takes an interest in ethics and communication, I find the case of the National Portrait Gallery against Wikipedia  very enlightening. They attempted to sue a wikipedia contributor for uploading images without permission. They failed due to lack of parity in the copyright law. In Australia its different. The case of Gutnick_v_Dow_Jones (while a defamation case) sets precedent for any damages incurred in Australia to be settled in an Australian court. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 11:38, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  ah, we have a lawyer on our hands, you're basically communicating that you don't want to field any legal contributions to this image as you might be sued by the franchise, however, as the uploader wouldn't I hold most of the responsibilities in this case (of course, other than wikipedia). you see, this isn't your article, in fact, i was the one who shifted this article in the first place. I would like to see any corporation within the rugby sphere, especially one so public, sue a 19 year old logo designer, linked with various "heavily informed fans" forums and old boy clubs quietly. in any case, this page, article whatever you call it isn't within your domain, you have no explicit link with the image, and therefore cannot be litigated in any offence. This of course isn't to mention the obvious licence agreement you have to fill in which, to all available knowledge would protect the uploader or atleast wikipedia. In any case, wikipedia would be the most liable entity in any case, and would stop anything of any clear illegality.--RugbyFuture (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not a lawyer, but a communications professional, a member of a professional body and bound by a code of ethics and with a good handle on copyright. I'm not afraid of litigation, I choose to respect the copyright law as it applies in Australia. If you want to renegotiate with the Rebels for a better quality image, I encourage you to do so. If you want to restore the image, I'll not revert your change, but do so at your own peril.  At no time did I assert any ownership of article, so please do not allege that I have. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 23:53, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo

message: Troy Thomson was Storm's High Performance Manager. What is his Rebels' role?--wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 21:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: What is Troy Thomson's role?

message: Australian spelling (i.e. licence not license) is preferred, isn't it? 
Changed to licence today. wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 02:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 15th licence

message: There's are conflicting roles for Ben Darwin. Is he:
1. Scrum coach/Video Analyst - Ben Darwin
or later,
2. Video Analyst Ben Darwin.
Which is more accurate? 
wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 02:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Is Ben Darwin scrum coach or not?

message: Yes Saffy was born in South Africa, but the flag icon isn't supposed to represent that. The flag icon represents the country the player is currently eligible to represent. That said, his eligibility isn't cut and dried either. The Jarrod Saffy article currently indicates he's eligible to represent Australia, South Africa and Lebanon. He's represented Australia at school boy level, Colts (U/21) and Sevens in Rugby Union. Given that we can't put three flag icons in the template, let's leave the flag icon as Australian until he plays in a senior international side. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 09:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No but RSA dont have a school boys team so you cant represent someone that doesnt exist. Der!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.189.79 (talk) 06:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Because your point doesn't justify using RSA instead of Aus, I've changed it back to AUS. wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 08:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Jarrod Saffy

message: With the preseason matches about to start, we'll have an excellent opportunity to get photos of the team and players in uniform. If anyone has an SLR camera, digital or otherwise, could you get down to a Olympic Park or Morwell? Comes.amanuensis (talk) 01:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trial matches 

message: I did bring this up before, but now I have a source. For rugby the stadium will have a capacity of 29,500, source: Herald Sun Crazydude22 (talk) 14:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I saw that too. It's based on the space requirements so that Fox Sports get their desired camera angles. Givent that there will most likely never be free to air coverage from the ground, its probably safe to assume that will be the norm. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 02:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stadium capacity 

message: The Rebels have already had activity on player movement. Don't want to crystal ball but the following are the definites and the "may bes" we can stay on top of. 
OUTS:
* Rod Macqueen http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/DesktopModules/PackFlashPublish/ArticleDetail/ArticleDetailPrint.aspx?ArticleID=3614&Template=Standard_Print.ascx&siteID=5 
* Somerville out (ret), see above for reference
* O'Neil out (ret), see above for reference
* Cordingley out (ret), see above for reference. But did he remain in in Melbourne, coaching? wcrosbie (talk), Melbourne, Australia 08:45, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Later speculation
* Dave Dennis (Waratahs Flanker) http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/waratahs-keen-to-retain-dave-dennis/story-e6frg7o6-1226289851913 wcrosbie (talk), Melbourne, Australia 22:02, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012 

message: Just posted the 2012 squad up. Will tweak and invite tweaks. Also, new squad template now available at template:Melbourn Rebels squad 2012
Comes.amanuensis (talk) 04:46, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012 Squad 

message: James O'Connor has been listed on the club website as a centre. Granted, anyone not living under a rock would know he's a candidate to play Fly half, but to place it on the wikipedia page flies in the face of information provided by the Rebels. Secondly, any prediction of a move into the halves is crystal balling. O'Connor's Rebels profile can be seen on the official website here: http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/Team/Player/tabid/297/playerid/36/Default.aspx
Comes.amanuensis (talk) 10:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  James O'Connor 

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message: Freier, Mortlock, Lipman have retried. Blake hasn't played a game in how long? Gerrard and Huxley have left, as has Adam Byrnes (Russa, apparently). How about we start with the 30 man squad Robbie Deans names a few weeks ago? Add Delve, fair enough, he played for Wales against the Brumbies I THINK. Mitch Inman made the initial squad but hasn't gone any further but its being generous. I'll propose the following and make the changes accordingly. 
 Kurtley Beale
 Gareth Delve
 Mitch Inman 
 James O'Connor
 Nick Phipps
 Cooper Vuna
Comes.amanuensis (talk) 08:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Current" Internationals? 

message: I have done google search: "Damon Edmonds" AND "Melbourne Rebels". All I get is his linkedIN profile. There is no reference to him on the Melbourne Rebels website. There has been no media release (I am on their media distribution list), no announcement. There is no credible reference in any kind of reliable media that Damon Edmunds is associated with the Melbourne Rebels. I am reverting the article. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 02:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: At a guess, we might assume the role is an unpaid one. The LinkedIn profile is not, in itself, sufficient, I agree. wcrosbie (talk), Melbourne, Australia 03:23, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damon Edmunds 

message: This is becoming a bit problematic. I can at the very least say that Delve has far fewer games than Phipps now. Since playing v Sharks he has missed games against the Cheetahs, Force and the Kings. Phipps will surely be the lone "most caps". How best to reference this? Comes.amanuensis (talk) 08:49, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most Caps 

message: I'll begin this section by saying the section on internationally capped players is perfectly encyclopaedic on the grounds it shows the quality of player that the Rebels are able to sign. The notability of Gareth Delve and Danny Cipriani within the rugby community drew some attention to the Rebels in their early days, and it is right that the list reflects those players.  It also demonstrates what contribution the Rebels make to both Australian rugby and rugby communities overseas. For example, Eddie Aholelei has been released to for representative duties in the Pacific Nations cup. The recruitment of Shota Horie is indicative of the standard of rugby players now being developed in Japan. Furthermore, such a section is comparable to the "notable player" section in other rugby teams such as the Queensland Reds page. Only one player for the Rebels has played 100 games- that is Nic Henderson but he did not play 100 games for the Rebels. Instead of "notable players" I would suggest that "current international players" serves a purpose to highlight those players who have risen to the next level in rugby- representing their country. Until someone can explain to me how such a section is unnecessary, I move that the section be kept. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 09:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, I didn't remove the section, so I'm speculating, but I think the reason why it was removed is that all players that have been capped internationally has been made bold in the "Current squad" section. The "Internationally capped players" section does not provide any additional information that can't now be found in the "Current squad" section, so I can understand the reasoning behind its removal (even though I personally prefer the separate section). If more details were added to the "Internationally capped players" section that can't be ascertained merely from a bold name (such as number of caps, years active, etc.), it would justify having a separate section, in my opinion. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 10:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I must confess I didn't notice the bold face. If there was a key akin to "boldface type= international representation" I'd consider that a pretty reasonable compromise. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 09:45, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I updated the pages for all the Super Rugby teams to state that the players in bold are current internationals. and then removed that section. Hope that's OK! TheMightyPeanut (talk) 16:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

text: I would draw your attention to the following discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union#Removing international players. Hamish59 (talk) 11:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's not entirely the same thing, I don't think. That discussion is more to do with a historical list of internationals or a list of notable players (without criteria). This is just about current internationals. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 16:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internationally capped players 

message: I have reorganised the article into a similar format to Crusaders (rugby union) which is a Featured Article. A lot of areas of the article didn't comply with the manual of style WP:MOS - including the section headings (using "&", and inappropriate use of capitals). As well, there were many redundant sections (Honours?). I've left the internationally capped players section, mainly because a delisted well defined notable players section doesn't exist. These changes should be non-controversial. Maybe discuss here before making any more significant changes. - Shudde talk 10:11, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganisation 

message: "The club is run by a board..." It's time for an update. wcrosbie (talk), Melbourne, Australia 01:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates needed 

message: Perhaps Nathan Grey will join the Waratahs coaching team in 2014 to oversee the "defensive performance and contact skills of the squad"? Do you know a reliable source? wcrosbie (talk), Melbourne, Australia 03:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Bryce Cavanagh was appointment Head of Athletic Performance for the next two seasons.Melbourne Rebels appoint Head of Athletic Performance http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/News/ArticleDetails/tabid/270/ArticleID/10069/Default.aspx wcrosbie (talk), Melbourne, Australia 05:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Staff movements 

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