Talk:Brett Favre/Archive 4

message: I think this page should be semi-protected.  There has been multiple vandalizations and this whole thing with User:Starwars1955 makes this page an excellent candidate for protection.  It would stop all the anonymous users from vandalizing and make anyone who wanted to edit it make an account and wait a couple of days.  What do you guys think?  --Josh Matthews (Talk ♦ Contribs) 03:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed all comments by our community banned user. Since being banned means having no voice on Wikipedia, this seems a more than reasonable thing to do. In this spirit, I might suggest that future edits placed here by them be removed without comment and not responded to in any way. Gonzo_fan2007, did you want to try your article reorder now? If it is undone as it has been in the past, it will be fairly obvious who's doing it anyway. Skybunny 20:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Umm it really doesn't matter to me.  I just think this page really really needs to be semi-protected for the length of the season.  There has been so much vandalism and edits by anonymous users, and with Brett about to break the TD record, the attempts record, and maybe later the yardage record it would make sense to protect this page so that people cannot just come on here and vandalize.  I also think a checkuser would help for our favorite editor and maybe a rangeblock if possible.  I think if we can do a checkuser, protect the page, and a rangeblock would cut down on the vandalism by an immense amount.  I dont know much about requests for the preceding three items, so any help would be great.  On the matter with my edits, it doesnt matter to me, if you feel like it you can look back in the history and revert back to my changes, but its no biggie.  Thanks for everything. --Josh Matthews(Talk ♦ Contribs) 23:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this page be semi-protected? 

message: In the first paragraph, it states: "He became the Packers starting quarterback in the third game of the 1992 NFL season."
In fact, he became the starter in the 4th game (VS Pittsburgh).  The 3rd game was VS Cincinnati, a game in which he didn't start.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.169.188.225 (talk) 17:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, and, fixed. Skybunny 18:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Facts

message: Brett Favre is tied for Most Wins against one team: 22 against the Chicago Bears ( Dan Marino  vs. the Indianapolis Colts ) (1981willy 14:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Get a reference and throw it in. NyyDave 17:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is another record 

message: He was an assistant to Dick Steinberg who was the GM as it states in the referenced article.  This should be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Southpaw330 (talk • contribs) 13:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ron Wolf was not the GM of the Jets.   

message: I created two new tables for his statistics.  I think it is more eye appealing but everyone can check it out and see what they think. Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 01:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's nice, but I think it's a little too... decorative. The dark green on black doesn't really work.►Chris NelsonHolla! 01:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you like it if the colors were changed, say to some neutral colors, see Ted Williams for an example.  I'll wait until there are more responses but that is a possibility. Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 02:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think neutral colors might be best, with alternating rows. Maybe light blue and white or something.►Chris NelsonHolla! 02:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good, I really don't mind either way, I like the table format better than the other though.  I'll wait for more consensus on what to do.  Did you look at Ted Williams because that's where I "borrowed" the formatting from.  Those colors are neutral, although I am sad because I thought the "Green and Gold" looked cool... :-) Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 02:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh and if we do go with neutral colors, we have to use really neutral colors, blue doesnt work, cuz thats the color of the Detroit Lions, that just gives off the wrong vibe :-) Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 02:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I meant like a really light blue, just to distinguish it from the white. One could argue the Ted Williams' colors would be Oakland's. A very light blue wouldn't make anyone think Lions.►Chris NelsonHolla! 03:24, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed. I like the table itself, but I like the idea of the colors being something neutral (the blue and white idea was a good one.) Skybunny 03:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  How bout this (when i wrote this post i had only finished the regular season table, but you get the picture).  The blue just looked weird, so i decided to go with the always neutral gray.  Tell me what you think.  I also was contemplating, when I get these tables done, to create a  and a  since the article is huge with the tables.  Tell me what you think, remembering that these templates would have to be protected also because of our o so favorite editor :-). Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 05:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was Bold and did what I said above.  I created both templates and think that they should be semi-protected since they were under the Brett Favre article but are no longer protected.  I think it looks good now. :-) Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 06:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Table for Statistics 

message: I realize this is discussion about the article, but I can not find my answer anywhere on the net.
What is Brett's record for throwing yardage in a single game?
If you could answer me, or forward me, I would appreciate it, thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.110.145 (talk) 02:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Looking for a record

message: Just to let everyone know, there is been a request for full-protection from one of the socks here.  Thought everyone should know. Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 04:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting tactic 

message: I removed a couple statistics from the main page. They were aggregates of statements made on websites (which is okay), but combined with mathematical figuring to figure out "where Brett Favre is now". Example: for stadium passing yards, there is a reference that states that Favre is second in that record category, and that he was just over 25,000 yards at the end of 2006. However, there is no source which says that his current total is 26,662 (which was put in by User:Larkworb). To arrive at a total like this requires a synthesis, and has already been established by consensus here, this is original research.
A significant percentage of this article is becoming statements of statistics. Are we reaching a point where we are treading into what what Wikipedia is not, including "Long and sprawling lists of statistics"? Is it worth considering trimming the records section down to say, a dozen of the most significant ones? Doing so would make the list a lot more compact, and probably more meaningful to a casual reader of Wikipedia. Skybunny 17:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good point on the statistics. I'd be in favor of paring it down to the really important, relevant stats. Anything more is overload. Snowfire51 17:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe the deletion of some of the repeated stats and statements would be good, but Larkworb, you stated that the stats "are widely available on sites like nfl.com and they don't need to be repeated here."  Isnt that what wikipedia is, I mean all the info in all of these pages can be easily read on multiple websites.  Thats what wikipedia is.  I mean I could go to 4-5 sites and find all the info on Brett Favre, the point of wikipedia is to bring all this info together to form one complete page about a person, so someone doesnt have to hunt around the internet looking for info, they can just come here.  Of course I oppose deleting the Career Stats section (since i created it :P) but it is more than that, I agree that repeated stats and statements and less important records or stats can be deleted but many people look for career stats, they are basically the definition of what a football player is.  Any site that is supposed to be a biography of a sports player should include his career stats, thats just a basic ideal of a sports player.  Just my two-cents, hope it helps. Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 21:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed a few statistic claims as OR 

message: Shouldn't this article say something about Favre's painkiller addiction in 1996?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.208.37.3 (talk) 14:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does. See the "Beginnings in Green Bay" section, or just search for "vicodin". Skybunny 15:50, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painkillers 

message: 10/29/2007 Monday Night Football vs. Denver Broncos.  make it happen?
source?
Zervas 04:39, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is ESPN on tonight's broadcast. They said it. I second it.►Chris NelsonHolla! 04:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mike Tirico, if you wanna get specific.►Chris NelsonHolla! 04:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ties the 2nd longest touchdown overtime pass in NFL history 

message: User: Packers1992 has popped up, with no edits except to Brett Favre, and made the exact same edits that a banned user has made. He denies it, but has exactly the same style and difficulty signing his name that the banned user did. Any thoughts? I'll defer to your judgement. Snowfire51 07:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am quite skeptical of the legitimacy of this new user. I suppose we should WP:AGF for the time being, however, and see what happens. –King Bee (τ • γ) 15:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another New Sockpuppet Possibility

message: I'm questioning the validity of the statement "he became only the 3rd quarterback in NFL history to have won a game against every single team in the NFL."  There is no citation for this claim.
It's my understanding that he's the 3rd quarterback to have beaten 31 teams, not the 3rd to have beaten every team in the NFL.  This assertion can be misleading for two reasons; one, I'm pretty sure other quarterbacks have beaten all their opponents before the NFL expanded to 32 teams and two, Favre hasn't beaten every team in the NFL as he has never beaten the packers.  
Any thoughts on whether this should be removed or clarified?
Zervas 08:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement was made by Joe Buck during the broadcast of the game on November 4, 2007, where the Packers beat the Chiefs. Buck and Troy Aikman mentioned it several times, so that's where all of this is probably coming from. I noticed it's mentioned twice in the article, but only properly referenced once so I added it to both. I guess to be accurate, it should say he's the third quarterback to have beaten all 31 other current NFL teams. With everything else Favre has done and as long as he's played, this individual factoid isn't really the top of his hitlist to me, what do you guys think? Snowfire51 08:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not. With the proper source, maybe it could be mentioned somewhere, but it's completely inconsequential in my opinion. –King Bee (τ • γ) 13:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its probably notable if it was any other QB other than Favre, Manning, or Brady.  I think this article is getting very listy and way too statistical, I wish there was some way to place his records and stats in some sort of a table.  It doesn't really look like an article right now.  Just my two cents. Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 21:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been following the article and discussion here on the talk page. I think I might have a suggestion to offer... How about spinning off the records into a separate article, a List of Brett Favre records or somesuch, and just include the biggest/greatest/best in the main article? Imzadi1979 21:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Our banned editor's latest edit summary, 'they are Brett Favre stats so they belong on the page' gets me thinking; I'm not convinced that's true at all, and Brett Favre statistics wouldn't be inherently notable by WP:NOTABLE standards, would it (looking at WP:NOT#INFO, statistics)? Wikipedia is not meant to be a regurgitation of statistics, I believe, but here's another suggestion; what if we cut out of the article records that are merely copies of lists of records? In other words, the career touchdowns record is likely to make the cut of 'notable', because you could find discussion of the record itself in a newspaper, but 'consecutive 20 touchdown seasons' is less likely, and at best I've only seen it on pages with large lists of 'career achievements'. Thoughts? Skybunny 03:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I think only the top stats for Favre should be shown on his page. His numbers are so great that they threaten to overwhelm the entire article, and wikipedia is not just for stats and lists. I'd suppor cutting it down to the top 6-8 stats, whatever seems right, and just dropping the others. His legacy won't be his stats. Snowfire51 05:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd quaterback to have beaten 31 teams 

message: Does anyone have a link to Brett's career playoff fumbles and fumbles lost.  I added his fumbles to his career regular season stats but cannot seem to find a source for his playoff fumbles.Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 18:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are listed on the Game Logs tab of his player page on NFL.com. You have to look at each year individually, but it does have the total for each game and season. Larkworb 16:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playoffs fumbles? 

message: Everyone says it's "farv," but not only is it spelled like "fav-ruh," every single other person I've known with that last name has also pronounced it "fav-ruh." I suspect our good man Brett just got tired of correcting people and said "Fine, FARVE it is."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.80.122.77 (talk) 19:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is pronounced "farv". I guess people who don't see the games regularly, where they say it all the time, could be confused because of the spelling. Google "favre pronounced" and you will find some places which indicate how it is pronounced. Maybe it has something to do with the French origin, or being from the South, or one of his ancestors decided to pronounce that way. No matter what, it's his name, he can pronounce it however he wants. Larkworb 02:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How is Favre pronounced again?

message: Is it appropriate to add his imdb profile as a link, or has that already been done and undone?  Archie935 (talk) 05:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If he has one, which he does, it's definitely OK.►Chris NelsonHolla! 07:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acting credits? 

message: Hi, Could someone please add this accolade.  [] Thanks! Sappysap 14:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been added and sourced, thanks for the link!Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 17:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SI's 2007 Sportsman of the Year 

message: I added an award Favre recently won from the Make-A-Wish foundation. I wasn't exactly sure how to describe the award and why he got it so I directly quoted the article. The direct quote however sounds over-the-top in it's description of the award. I left it in as is, but if someone could review what I added and modify it if need be if it doesn't seem neutral enough. Thanks! Stylteralmaldo (talk) 20:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make A Wish Foundation Award 

message: Please, if you are going to update Favres stats after a game, then update every stat.  This includes all the stats in the intro, the "Record Books" section, and the "Career Stats" section.  When another editor sees someone update the stats, they (at least I) dont want to have to go and check to make sure every stat is updated.  If you arent sure about one stats, then either dont update the page (as it is a guarantee that someone will update it) or make note on the talk page which one wasnt updated.  This just makes life easier.  Thanks everyone!Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 23:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I not only second that, but I'd move to leave the stats alone until the end of a game. When editors are changing stats during a game, it makes for a lot of confusion. It should be done at the end of the game, and all at once to make certain everything is handled and nothing slips through the cracks. Is there a Wikipedia policy on this? Snowfire51 (talk) 23:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the only applicable policies are WP:V and WP:OR because I know for a fact that they dont officially update that stats right after the game finishes, so it is probably someone doing their own math and cannot be verifiable by and outside source.Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 00:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please, when updating stats... 

message: Here's the story:
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d80513551&template=without-video&confirm=true
Favre led all fans who voted for pro bowl balloting among fans. I'm not sure if this is wikipedia-worthy material or not. Comments? Stylteralmaldo (talk) 17:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would wait until the teams are announced and say something like Favre was voted as the starting QB (he probably will be) for the NFC team, where he received the more votes from the fans than any other player.  I think the fact that he garnered the most votes would be  better suited in the same section where we say that Favre made the Pro-bowl.Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 18:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Favre's status as top vote-getter in Pro Bowl balloting by the fans wiki-worthy? 

message: It is listed as www.brettfavre.com on the page but that is a fan site.  The official one is www.officialbrettfavre.com                   
Thedarkknightsn (talk) 00:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at the sites and changed the link to www.officialbrettfavre.com since that is his official site. Larkworb (talk) 01:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Website 

message: Previously, I added 'famously pronounced farv' (which wasn't in the article at all at the time) and the word 'famously' was removed.  I think it belongs and added it back in.  What does everyone think?  The pronunciation of Brett Favre's name seems to be the most known thing about him, from my experience.  They even joked about it in 'There's Something About Mary' and (I think) The Simpsons.  --Jperlin (talk) 05:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this assertion as subjective. The pronunciation of Favre's name is an absolute, in any event; "famously" is a peacock term that should be avoided in Wikipedia as per its manual of style. Skybunny (talk) 05:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure what we're discussing any longer. Favre pronounces his name the way he does, and I support Skybunny's removal of the word "famously" from his page. Snowfire51 (talk) 08:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My fault. I got confused and went on a rant for no real good reason over somethng that never happened all because I can't read. Sorry. LOLi4 (talk) 08:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famously pronounced Farv 

message: As of this writing, this is source number 4: "^ a b c Brett Favre - Career Statistics. NFL.com. Retrieved on 2007-02-14." The link is outdated, and therefore this source should be removed. Also, it's stated in the article (and sourced through this link) that Favre threw four passes in 1991. For some reason, some sources do say that, but the truth is he threw five passes in 1991. 68.254.161.57 (talk) 17:13, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm...the link in question is proably the most reliable source on this page, that of NFL.com.  It is almost constantly updated so I have no clue what you mean except for maybe thinking that "2007-02-14" is the last time that this link was updated.  It probably just means that that was the first date that someone used that source to update his page.  Whether or not that date should change every time we update the page is debatable, but the link is nowhere close to being outdated.  To address the "4 or 5 passes," NFL.com says he threw 4, thus we will say he threw 4.  Hope this addresses your concerns.Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 18:03, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: NFL.com is a pretty reliable source, so if you say it's the truth that he threw five passes, you'll need to find that somewhere as a proper reference. I can't find that he threw five passes in 1991. Snowfire51 (talk) 19:59, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad link 

message: As good as this wiki article is, there is no personal life section included in it. If you look at several of the quarterbacks listed on wikipedia, there is almost always a personal life section. I noticed this glaring error when I happened across the web site of Brett Favre's Steakhouse. I've actually been to one when they had a location in Milwaukee. Is there a reason why there isn't a personal section? Is it because the article is so huge already? Is it perhaps because his personal life is so intertwined with his professional life? Comments?
There is one in Green Bay Wisconsin as indicated by the web site: http://www.brettfavressteakhouse.com/
Actually, that web site has a great bio of Favre, who's nickname was "Country". Perhaps some of this information can be used to enhance the overall article about Favre. The Brett Favre Steakhouse is owned by the Favre family. Stylteralmaldo (talk) 20:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: His personal info is intertwined throughout the article, because as you said, his personal life is intertwined with his professional career as a football player.  Length should never be a reason for any lack of inclusion of relevant info.  If there is more info you want to add about his personal life, feel free to add it.  I would just add the information in the relevant section about his life.  One main reason that it may seem like this article features more or his career than his personal life is because he is known mostly for his pro career, not his personal life.  For Favre it would make sense that we focus on that which he is known for, while also giving a complete, yet broader overview of his life and other less known facts.  I would doubt that http://www.brettfavressteakhouse.com/ would be a terribly great source for this article, due to the fact that the restaurant, and thus the website, are owned by Favre, thus sort of being a personal website.  If Brett Favre's Steakhouse ever gets blue-linked, that website would of course be a great source for that article.  If The Steakhouse even deserves inclusion, it would only be like one sentence mentioning that he has a steakhouse.  See Jerome Bettis under the "After Retirement" section where it just mentions he opened up a restaurant.  I hope this helps.Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 20:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the "Personal Life" section? / Brett Favre's Steakhouse / Brett's nickname was "Country" 

message: I really don't think "Miss-Pronounciation" is a credible source for the pronounciation of his name. The correct pronounciation of his French/Cajun name is with the V before the R, as it is spelled. A relative of Brett (a newspaper editor) has argued this case online ( http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=71&aid=124160 )
"Yes, there is another pronunciation. The right one. Favre, the "v" before the "r." This version rhymes with suave.
How do I know? I have been saying my name from the time I could first talk until now, and I have passed my 72nd birthday.
But Golic ignored the Kenny error and got it right. After all, it is only five letters and he did graduate from Notre Dame.
And I really can't blame Kenny. People were struggling with Favre long before Brett turned it into a household name, including many in the family. As a kid you learned to answer to almost any way it was pronounced. I will always remember our son, Jeff, calling with glee the day Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons. "Dad," he exclaimed, "at long last, everyone will know how to pronounce our name." Little did we know."
154.20.52.37 (talk) 11:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  About his name (pronounciation) 

message: The section called "Recent Years" covers the period following the 2003 Oakland Raiders game through the present. In my opinion, the 2007 season represents a new chapter in the Brett Favre story, and as a result it should be a new section in the Brett Favre article. I think the "Recent Years" section should be broken into two sections: "Tragedies & Talk of Retirement" and "Return To Old Form" or something to that effect. Perhaps the titles of those two sections could be improved from what I have initially put forth. One thing that is clear though is that the times of tragedies and the back and forth retirement talk "era" has concluded. Stylteralmaldo (talk) 20:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree they should be broken up, and while I don't have any better suggestions at the moment I do feel the proposed titles might not be totally neutral.►Chris NelsonHolla! 20:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I'd say "Tragedies & Talk of Retirement" (or maybe Personal Tragedy & Talk of Retirement) is fairly neutral and suiting, but a name for the section starting with the '07 season might be a little more carefully worded? Maybe "Resurgence"? It seems apt, considering Favre's 4000+ passing yards, the best season completion rate of his career, and his best QB rating since 1996.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.9.249.203 (talk) 15:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I disagree. QBs have up and down years, Favre had a couple bad ones and now he's having a couple nice ones. There is really no point in dissecting  a QB's playing career until it is OVER completely. In 2009, the Wiki would look pretty silly calling 2007 a "resurgence" if Favre were to fall apart again in 2008. If someone wants to summarize each year, that's sounds fine, but labeling particular parts seems rather foolish at this point. i4 (talk) 22:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that personally, "Resurgence" or "Return to Old Form" would both be very apt descriptions. Something that I feel is an interesting tidbit, is on the play he broke the TD record, it was designed as a run play. There was no audible and he nodded his head to Greg Jennings signaling the pass was going to him. Grant ran the play like normal, as he was out of the loop and you could clearly tell from watching the replays that it(the touchdown) was a Favre to Jennings production. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.12.29 (talk) 08:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Headings such as "resurgence" or "return to old form" are inherently POV and should be avoided. We should simply provide dates and relevant facts (ie, a particular game or achievement). --ZimZalaBim talk 13:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to break apart the "Recent Years" section? 

message: Shouldn't this be on the page somewhere?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.29.67.172 (talk) 23:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh yes, it's relevant. I'm adding it.►Chris NelsonHolla! 01:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured as himself in movie There's Something About Mary (1998)

message: Favre also continues to close in on the NFL career record for starts by a player at any position. After completion of the 2007 NFL regular season, Favre stands at 253, behind only Jim Marshall, who started 270 straight games.[1]
Is Favre closing in on the record for number of starts or record number of *consecutive* starts?  What about all of These guys?  I know they didn't all start all of these games but, for example, Darrell Green had 258 total starts for the Redskins.
According to the cited reference, it's total *consecutive* starts.Originalname37 (talk) 21:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the change. Originalname37 (talk) 16:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait!! I take it back.  The real record is, unbelievably, ... unknown. Originalname37 (talk) 16:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I pretty sure it's consecutive starts. Burner0718 (talk) 22:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The record is for CONSECUTIVE REGULAR SEASON STARTS, Jim Marshall currently holds that at 270, though he played some 300+ games in total in his career & started in 283??? of them.
The kicker, Jeff Feagles, has 320 consecutive games PLAYED, as a kicker, but who cares if a kicker starts or not? I mean there are some games where the PUNTER, which is the type of kicker Feagles is,  never sets a foot on the field. i4 (talk) 23:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I'll make the change here and in the below-mentioned Favre Achievements section.Originalname37 (talk) 17:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consecutive Starts or Total Starts? 

message: I just wanted to let everyone know that List of career achievements by Brett Favre is now created.  It's basically just his stats copied over there, and it needs a lot of work, but I just wanted to let everyone know that it is now created and needs some work!!  Thanks. Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 04:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of career achievements by Brett Favre]] 

message: Before we go and make any drastic changes to the page, I suggest we wait for Favre, the Packers or at least the NFL to announce his retirement. So far all we have is the FOX News report. I've made a note of it in the "2007 season" section, but let's hold off on making the changes to the intro, infobox, etc. faithless (speak) 14:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, well NFL.com is reporting it now, but it seems that they're just reporting what Glazer reported. faithless (speak) 14:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Have you seen the reference? Check out the Green Bay website. BlueAg09 (Talk) 16:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ESPN and many others announcing it, I think we can consider it official. Wizardman 16:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah, the guy's own agent is even announcing it.  Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 18:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is, a guy is not officially retired until he files retirement papers with the league. Favre probably won't do this any time soon. Jake Plummer, for example, technically has yet to retire. He's still a Buccaneer. So really, Favre should not have a retire infobox. But most people don't understand this, so I'm not going to bother.►Chris NelsonHolla! 19:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly my point. Thank you. Morte42 (talk) 01:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, he could a vinny and come out of it every year. Then what do we do? RC-0722 communicator/kills 19:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the only difference is Favre is property of the Packers and will continue to be until he plays out his contract. Vinny's been a free agent each time.►Chris NelsonHolla! 21:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement 

message: Why do people keep saying Brett Favre is the only 3 time MVP?  Jim Brown won it 3 times.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.13.14 (talk) 15:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are conflicting reports, due (IMO) to the fact that there have been several different awards given over the years. The one usually discussed is the AP award, which Brown won in '56, '57 and '65. The Pro Football Hall of Fame recognizes Brown as a three-time AP NFL MVP. Usually, however, Favre is called the only three-time MVP. Indeed, even this article from the AP calls Favre the only three-time winner. My theory (and this is totally off-the-cuff, mind you) is that the year that Brown won one of his AP in a year in which the NFL considered one of the other awards as "official." Whether this is actually the case, I don't know. But again, while Brown won three awards, both the NFL and the AP recognize Favre as the only three-time winner. faithless (speak) 23:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three Time MVP 

message: Nobody cares about affiliation. Next you'll have a tick box for 'circumcised'. This is a big site for everyone on the planet. Most people think you are being ridiculous - and oppressive. Time to stop and grow up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.5.136.204 (talk) 19:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this make sense to anyone? faithless (speak) 22:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Idk but I am thinking about creating :Category:People who are circumcised, anyone wanna help me find sources and populate the category?</sarcasm> :P « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) 23:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well quite frankly it's about time! faithless (speak) 17:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: =D Hahahah « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) 18:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Affiliation

message: He's not technically retired as he has yet to fill out the paperwork. I believe the opening paragraph should say he is still a current quarterback until the time he files the papers. While he's likely 90% retired, he's still not officially retired. crassic![talk] 21:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's really more of a technicality; few players file their papers immediately upon retiring. After all, since nearly every one of them retire as multi-millionaires, why would they bother with annoying paper work? :-P Barry Sanders, for instance, waited several years after his retirement. Favre says he's retired, and he's pretty much the ultimate authority. faithless (speak) 03:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But for now, Favre still counts against the Packers' cap. He is very much not retired. The only difference between his current state and say, Peyton Manning's, is that Favre has said he doesn't intend to play in 2008. But both are equally not retired.►Chris NelsonHolla! 17:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Former" quarterback? 

message: In addition to the links for Brett Favre to NFL.com and ESPN we should add a link to PlayerSearch.com.  PlayerSearch includes recent news, videos, blog commentary, photos, stats, etc. from around the web (major media, local newspapers, top sports bloggers, AOL Video, YouTube, Flickr, etc.) focused on professional athletes.  The video links are great as they link users to properly copyrighted material of game clips from the NFL Network, press conferences from local TV stations, SportsCenter highlights on ESPN and user tribute videos for Favre from YouTube (some great tributes!). It is an excellent supplement to the content on Wikipedia as it includes current news and stats that are updated frequently but may not be groundbreaking enough to keep permanently in this Wiki.
Here is the link to Brett Favre on PlayerSearch.com:
http://www.playersearch.com/Search.aspx?q=Brett%20Favre
Full Disclosure: I am the founder of playersearch.com... I am also from Wisconsin and a huge Brett Favre and Packers fan!
Please take a look at the link above and consider adding it to the external links at the bottom of Favre's page.
Lets hope he comes back for one more year!!  At least!!
Thank you,
TedKasten (talk) 19:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link to Current News, Videos, Photos, Blogs for Brett Favre 

message: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8006630?MSNHPHMA
This link is used in note #54 but the article is no longer live.  I am surprised that MSNBC has already taken the article down as it was posted to this site on April 10th...but the article may have been in reference to the April 1st Fools joke about Favre coming back to the Packers or another team? TedKasten (talk) 17:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure why that link no longer works, but I've replaced it with another. The story broke more than a week after April Fools' Day, so it certainly wasn't a joke. Cheers, faithless (speak) 18:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link used in Note #54 is dead...