Talk:Nicholas Barbon

message: Adam Hart-Davis' What the Stuarts did for us says his original surname, and that of his father, was Barebones, and that Barbon was a name he adopted (presumably when dumping that doozie of a Christianname). -- 86.131.218.144 16:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Barebones

message: The question is whether Dr. Barbon's middle name was in fact If-Jesus-Christ-Had-Not-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned as several editors claim and others dispute.  Additional research needed Nmacri (talk) 17:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not... see the citation used to justify keeping it here. It clearly states that the name belongs to "the elder Barbon", AKA his dad, but that his dad went by Praisegod instead. 208.46.220.34 (talk) 17:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Recent research (in a book published in 2008) has indicated that it (i.e. If-Jesus-Christ-Had-Not-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned) was in fact his real middle name.  Info and refs added accordingly!  Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than reverting I am throwing this one out on RFC.  I find it difficult to believe that that was his middle name, and the source cited in the article does not appear credible.  User talk:Hassocks5489 mentions a second source but does not cite. Nmacri (talk) 17:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The source seems credible enough to me, and that style of name was very common in that period, especially given the similar names in his family. That style of naming was a fad for about 50 years, and actually continues to this day in certain religious communities! Just my $.02... --rahaeli (talk) 09:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicholes's Full Name 

message: The current sentence "He became a religious separatist with proto-Baptist and Millenarianist beliefs, with fervent views in favour of infant baptism in particular." appears to be contradictory.  Baptists (and hence proto-Baptists) are opposed to infant baptism.  Did Barbon favour infant baptism or believer's baptism? Greenshed (talk) 10:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an odd combination; he was fervently in favour of infant baptism—certainly early in his adult life—although there were claims (never proven) that he had been rebaptised.  Towards the end of his life, he had developed Millenarianist convictions.  I will remove "proto-Baptist".  Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baptist? 

message: This is vaguely alluded to (and not explained) in the article.  Many people in Barbon's day had the following basic views: 1) Non-utilitarian "luxuries" are economically somewhat superfluous and morally rather dubious. 2) If there is a continual outflow of precious metals (gold, silver) from a country for the purpose of buying foreign luxury goods, then an eventual national financial collapse is inevitable.  Even a century after Barbon, the Indo-Chinese opium trade was largely set up to avoid the bullion-drain-for-foreign-luxuries bugaboo.  Judged by those standards, Barbon sounds fairly advanced... AnonMoos (talk) 02:48, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: "These views were contrary to standard moral values of the time"