Talk:Keith Godchaux

message: ===Support===
*Support. He is the only Keith Godchaux I could find of any notability. youngamerican (talk) 23:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done... plus Donna Jean Godchaux and Donna Jean Godchaux (musician) have been moved to Donna Godchaux --rogerd 02:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: *Support. He is the only Keith Godchaux I could find of any notability. youngamerican (talk) 23:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done... plus Donna Jean Godchaux and Donna Jean Godchaux (musician) have been moved to Donna Godchaux --rogerd 02:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: Don't think Keith Godchaux was ever with The New Riders of the Purple Sage.  If he was, the NRPS page needs to show it.
98.210.102.208 (talk) 22:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the sentence, which said "Godchaux also appeared with the New Riders of the Purple Sage."  He actually did "appear with" them for at least one concert, which ended up being released as the album Worcester, MA, 4/4/73, but the sentence made it sound like he was a member of NRPS, which he wasn't. — Mudwater (Talk) 22:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: New Riders?

message: Where does this quote from Phil come from?  I don't see any references for it:
Lesh has retrospectively opined that by 1978, "Keith's playing had degenerated to the point that most of us were simply trying to lose him onstage... never a paragon of self-esteem, Keith's increasing drug & alcohol use had put him in an almost vegetative state. His musical timing was suffering, and he had developed some annoying habits onstage, notably slavish imitation of Jerry's lead lines, a tic that began to irritate Jerry to no end."
If no reference can be cited, can somebody please remove it.  Keith was a friend, and I was close to the band during the period in question.  I don't believe everything stated above is true.  If Phil said it, so be it, but please cite the source.  If I may address each part of the quote:
Keith's playing had degenerated to the point that most of us were simply trying to lose him onstage  I suppose this is possible, though I never heard Phil or anyone state anything quite this way.  The fact of the matter is that the whole band was out of sync for various reasons: Keith was often anesthetized and unable to sync up with everyone else; Jerry and Phil were often coked up and on the opposite end of the synchronization problems; and Bobby and Donna were often too drunk to stay in sync, sometimes ahead of the curve, other times behind it. The bottom line is they were all impaired, and no one more than another.  Keith just never speed-balled as Jerry did, and so his impairment was unique.
His musical timing was suffering, and he had developed some annoying habits onstage, notably slavish imitation of Jerry's lead lines, a tic that began to irritate Jerry to no end.  I don't ever recall Keith imitating Jerry's lines (or Jerry being annoyed about it for that matter).  The rest of it may be true (I know his timing suffered, and I know he was so intoxicated on some occasions that he did little more than play chords).
As I said - I don't see a source for the quote from Phil.  If it's legitimate, fine, please cite the source; otherwise please remove it. People are beginning to repeat this in online circles, and I think it's a sad day in Grateful Dead history when Keith's leaving the band is being attributed solely to substance issues impacting his ability to play his instrument (the fact of the matter is that mistakes from Keith are rarely detectable, now that there is so much material available to the public - you can find more issues with Bobby, Jerry, and Phil's playing than Keith's).  The reason he left was largely to do with the stress that road life and drugs were having on his personal life, and the fact that he had less space to play with Mickey back in the band.  Mostly, he was a piano player, and Jerry and Phil wanted more synthesizers.  
I would ask that the quote be removed regardless of whether there is a legitimate source for it or not, as it is subjective in nature (if Phil did say it) and not necessarily true; but the damage it is doing to Keith's legacy is real.  There is so little material about Keith's departure available that people rely on Wiki as gospel truth.  It would be one thing if multiple sources close to the band all said Keith imitated Jerry's lines due to the impact of drugs and that he could no longer play (think Keith Moon); but here we have one questionable quote from one person, in a short article, one of the few that talks about Keith's departure.  The man is dead and cannot defend his position. I would say leave it up there if you could even find the evidence in the live recordings, but it's simply not there.  Please remove this misleading information about Keith, I beg you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.242.92.97 (talk) 22:22, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that an appropriate reference is needed for this quote. For now I'm going to remove it from the article. — Mudwater (Talk) 22:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phil Lesh's quote 

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message: Please provide a pronunciation for the surname Godchaux. IPA or plain ol' English is fine. Thank you. 66.97.20.206 (talk) 23:14, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation please