Talk:Ivan Pavlov

message: Are the links in references 30 and 31 switched, or am I looking at this wrong?  Also, reference 31 refers to "Pavlov's rats."  But the article title itself refers to "dogs."  Can we fix this or am I missing something?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.219.6 (talk) 05:26, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mixed up links? 

message: *Habituation. If a bird flies over the worm's hole, and the worm sees the shadow, it will scurry back down. However, if this keeps happening, the worm will eventually stop scurrying whenever it sees the shadow. On the other hand, knowledgeable observers would conclude that worms are stupid, so don't try ringing bells and giving them food. Deltabeignet 03:14, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  How does expirience change the behavior of worms ? 

message: Hi.  Here are a couple of facts that maybe would be of secondary importance to this article (they could be acknowledged in small notes): 1) Singer Aimee Mann recorded a song called Pavlov's Bell — maybe this could be mentioned as part of the popular image of bell ringing to induce behavior in the original research; 2) Webster's dictionary acknowledges the existence of the adjective "Pavlovian" (as in "Pavlovian Conditioning").  Regards, Redux 07:37, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're going to mention Aimee Mann, you might also want to add that Russian-American singer Regina Spektor recorded a song called Pavlov's daughter. Lunapuella 19:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few extras 

message: What ist the correct way to refer to Pavlov's nationality? Most of hist lifetime he was a citizen of the Russian Empire, in his last years he was a citizen of the USSR, according to his lifedates. How should he be called - Soviet or Russian?
:In such cases, the Soviet usage was to use both adjectives together, e.g. "Ivan Pavlov, a prominent Russian Soviet scientist." Don't know if this will work in English. Trapolator 18:32, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Soviet refers to a political position and not to a nationality. That's like asking, "is Ron Paul an american or congressman?". To re-cap, soviet is a title and not a nationality.
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 08:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet or Russian 

message: The Wikimedia Help Desk received the following e-mail regarding his laboratory. 
:I am writing to you regarding the factual error on the page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov. Ivan Pavlov was working in the Institute of Experimental Medicine St.Petersburg and didn't have the lab in Moscow. The Institute keeps Pavlov's lab and his office as museum. To find more information regarding the biography and Pavlov's lab please visit http://iemrams.spb.ru:8100/english/infoeng.htm.''
I have amended the article accordingly. Capitalistroadster 09:28, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pavlov's laboratory

message: :He would sit down to lunch at exactly 12 o'clock, he would go to bed at exactly the same time each evening, would always feed his dogs at exactly the same time every night and he would always leave Leningrad for Estonia on vacation on the same day each year. This behavior changed when his son Victor died in the White Army.
If the sentence is talking about his habits prior to the formation of the White Army, surely he was leaving St Petersburg for Estonia?  This would also fit better with his destination, since after St Petersburg became Leningrad, Estonia was an independent country with extremely frosty relations with the Soviet Union, and I'm not sure how simple it would have been for a Soviet citizen to make regular visits there.  Binabik80 13:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leningrad of St Petersburg 

message: An anonymous editor added the following list under the heading "Some Accomplishments and Facts". Some of the points are already in the article (which make me think copyvio) and some are nonsense, but some of the statements are useful. If anyone can 1) put a realiable source with these statements and 2)assign a date to the non-dated items, please do so and insert them into the proper place in the article.
Discovery of enterokinase, an enzyme in the duodenum that activates trypsin • Discovery Of a type of protein that speeds up a chemical reaction that transfers salt of phosphoric acid from high-energy donor molecules, such as ATP(a multifunctional chemical compound that consists of a heterocyclic base, a sugar, and one or more phosphate groups. primarily known in biochemistry as the "molecular currency" of intracellular energy transfer), to specific target molecules (substrates released by the intestinal glands in the small intestine that activates the precursor form of the pancreatic enzyme  trypsin, a inactive enzyme precursor, to trypsin. • Basically…an enzyme in the duodenum that activates trypsin • Description of the neural control of the pancreas and pancreatic control as a response to different foods • Basically… How much stomach prepares, How it reacts • Demonstration that chewing and swallowing alone would cause gastric secretion • Basically... Trick Stomach and body • Observation that the mere sight of food stimulates salivary and gastric secretion. • Basically… Body prepares
• Ivan Petrovich Pavlov was born on September 14, 1849 at Ryazan
• His Father, Peter Dmitrievich Pavlov, was a village priest
• He was educated first at the church school in Ryazan
• Inspired by the progressive ideas of D. I. Pisarev, and I. M. Sechenov, Pavlov abandoned his religious career and decided to devote his life to science
• In 1870 he enrolled in the physics and mathematics faculty to take the course in natural science.
• His first work was work on the physiology of the pancreatic nerves. This work was widely acclaimed and he was awarded a gold medal for it.
• In 1875 Pavlov completed his course with an outstanding record and received the degree of Candidate of Natural Sciences.
• He decided to continue his studies and proceeded to the Academy of Medical Surgery to take the third course there.
• After a competitive examination, Pavlov won a fellowship at the Academy, and this together with his position as Director of the Physiological Laboratory at the clinic of the famous Russian clinician, S. P. Botkin.
• In 1883 he presented his doctor's thesis on the subject of «The centrifugal nerves of the heart».
• In 1890 Pavlov was invited to organize and direct the Department of Physiology at the Institute of Experimental Medicine.
• Under his direction, which continued over a period of 45 years to the end of his life, this Institute became one of the most important centers of physiological research.
• In 1890 Pavlov was appointed Professor of Pharmacology at the Military Medical Academy and five years later he was appointed to the then vacant Chair of Physiology, which he held till 1925.
• It was at the Institute of Experimental Medicine in the years 1891-1900 that Pavlov did the bulk of his research on the physiology of digestion.
• In 1903, at the 14th International Medical Congress in Madrid, Pavlov read a paper on «The Experimental Psychology and Psychopathology of Anima
• In 1881, Pavlov married Seraphima (Sara) Vasilievna Karchevskaya, a teacher, the daughter of a doctor in the Black Sea fleet.
• Dr. Pavlov died in Leningrad on February 27, 1936.
Later removed content:  Related link to a (somewhat acclaimed) hardcore porn parody of his research.  Several recognized literary (and porographic) groups have given the text awards, so I figure we might as well keep the link in here for anyone who is interested.  Online porographic novel parodying Pavlov's experiments ~ Bwagstaff 04:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: Whoever wrote this page - where is the description on the huge contribution to the temperament research, the types of nervous system and the properties of nervous system, which Pavlov described?  User:69.157.3.52
:Feel free to take a stab at it.  That's what it's here for.  Rklawton 03:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pavlovian types of nervous system - where's this legacy?? 

message: It seems to me that the page lacks a good description of Pavlov's famous dog experiments.  It does go into the "classical conditioning" knowledge that was gained, but there's hardly anything about the experiment itself.  Would it be appropriate to include more about it on this page?
Also, I've heard that Pavlov actually decapitated some dogs and showed that they salivated with the conditioned reflex of a bell, even shortly after death.  Anyone know if this is true?--Grant M 11:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, but what about Pavlov's cats? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Experiments 

message: I think that Pavlov should redirect here.  He must be the best-known person with that surname to English-speakers and is usually referred to by just his last name in academic discussions (plus, Pavlovian already directs here...).  Am I right or what? 138.69.160.1 20:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: Per this edit, I did a quick Google search to try and establish Pavlov's religious views. (Note: I am not an expert in any sense of the word in this field). Several links (which appear to meet WP:RS from the first couple of Google hits (see here, here, and here) support Pavlov's ties to atheism. That said, I've restored the two categories. If other editors feel otherwise, feel free to undo that edit, but please comment here so we can work it out. -- MarcoTolo (talk) 22:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While it may seem silly, people who are atheists can be culturally Orthodox.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.114.227 (talk) 23:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

text: * I think removing the "former eastern orthodox christian" category might be reasonable in Pavlov's case (though, again, I do not profess expertise here) - this paper makes special note of the fact that defining Pavlov as "an atheist" is strictly true, but simplifies the situation too much. Thoughts? -- MarcoTolo (talk) 23:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

text: It is a bit risky to claim a soviet scientist was definitively and provably atheist in that era, given the religious persecution, and active removal of religious persons from posts of science under the soviet regime at the time. At most one can claim that, if Pavlov *was* religious, then he wasn't 'strong' enough to proclaim it openly and be a martyr for it and chose to conform to the party line so as to continue his important scientific work instead. However, it would be controversial to claim he was atheist; there are reports from the BBC during the post-war era that there was a brief fad for French scientists to convert to orthodoxy, citing as important influences "the eminent Russian christian orthodox scientists Ivan Pavlov, Vladimir Filatov and Archbishop Luka (né Valentin Voyno-Yasenetsky)" (source: "Αρχιεπίσκοπος Λουκάς", auth: Αρχιμ. Νεκταρίου Αντωνοπούλου, publ: ΑΚΡΙΤΑΣ 1999, ISBN:960-328-112-3, pp.305). If Pavlov was openly and publically recognised as atheist to his peers at the time, at the very least one would expect his name would not be on that kind of list. -- Tpapastylianou (talk) 13:24, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  A very valid point. I think maybe this should be added to the article in the form of a footnote. But a reliable English translation of that Greek source might be required. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious/Philosophical categorization 

message: I think we need to remove this section entirely.  It consists only of mentions within songs or videos - or a pro wrestler's nickname.  All of these are trivial, and trivia have no place in an Encyclopedia's articles.  Thoughts?  Rklawton (talk) 00:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing worth keeping, and it's attracting more. --Old Moonraker (talk) 09:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. ManfromButtonwillow (talk) 06:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Old Moonraker (talk) 22:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop culture

message: Ivan Petrovich Pavlov's mother was Vervara Ivanova Palovna but I cannot find any data on her maiden name can someone find it ad add it?Undead Herle King (talk) 23:01, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems her maiden name was Varvara Ivanovna Uspénskaya but if you can provide evidence to this it would be coolUndead Herle King (talk) 23:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly would be cool as, currently, there is no ref to support any name at all, and the addition is at risk of being reverted as being unreliable. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:38, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the dates, for both parents, don't yet have any source. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Varvara Ivanovna Pavlovna

message: This seems to have been missed for some reason. The "pavlos dogs" experiment was also done on children where they where surgically altered so their saliva could be collected as they where held in a device for hours on end waiting for the bell to ring before  a piece of chocolate rolled down the tub and into their mouth...--PAVLOVSKIDS (talk) 07:05, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, sure. Sjö (talk) 07:08, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Also claimed by BBC - see the discussion thread above. Sounds unbelievable, doesn't it. But that doesn't mean it's not true. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:58, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I jumped the gun there. I'd still like to see better sources, though.  The Youtube and BBC link aren't available in my country. Sjö 
Watch this BBC documentary https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/11893827544/michael-mosley-into-the-mind-mind-control, starting at 07:30 it shows the children experiments. It's hard to find information on this aspect of Pavlov, to me it smacks of an attempt to cover up this unsavoury aspect of Pavlov's research. Nevertheless there should be a separate section on Pavlov's child experimentation.
(talk) 17:06, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pavlovs Experimentation on children 

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message: What about Daniel P. Todes, Ivan Pavlov. A Russian Life in Science (Oxford 2014)? Would be a nice addition to Asratyan's 1953 work and the many non-historical sources. 2001:1C02:1901:ED00:7426:5BD3:56ED:D3FA (talk) 14:05, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reading 

message: TL;DR: unsubstantiated claim detected. Please change [He was inspired to forsake his Orthodox Christian background and pursue a scientific career..] to [He was inspired to pursue a scientific career..].
I have noticed an entirely unsubstantiated sentence in the article. "He was inspired to forsake his Orthodox Christian background and pursue a scientific career..." The only citation provided that was remotely related to this sentence is citation 11, and it does not make the claim at all that Pavlov abandoned Orthodox Christianity. If that claim is not substantiated, then certainly neither can the claim *that* he abandoned it *because* of a scientific career (which is an additional move that needs to be substantiated). To say that Pavlov abandoned religion in order to be a scientist is simply an unsubstantiated claim based on prejudice (I presume that the author probably thought that because he became a scientist, he must have abandoned religion).
I suggest it be replaced with "He was inspired to pursue a scientific career..." 2601:246:4E03:F711:F98D:3C16:76FE:1880 (talk) 04:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done I assume the intention was to paraphrase "Pavlov abandoned his religious career" from the cite, but I've made the necessary correction. NiciVampireHeart 18:04, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
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message: Charlie Munger in his book "Poor Charlie's Almanack" describes Pavlov's experiments on dogs and stress. Pavlov himself describes them in Lecture 18, Pathological disturbances of the cortex, result of functional interference of 
"Conditioned reflexes: An investigation of the physiological activity of the cerebral cortex".
It would be good if the article could talk a bit more about this. However, it's not covered much in secondary sources. cagliost (talk) 18:45, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stress