Talk:John Huppenthal

message: http://precinct134.blogspot.com/2006/11/senator-huppenthal-youre-busted.html
It would appear that the subject of the article has been editing his own article...
:I believe it to be true however it is not appropriate to reveal information (i.e. real names) of people assoicated with IPs.  --Tbeatty 07:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that this external reference is appropriate - Since we are saying that Huppenthal did edit this article, the reader can infer the IP address he used anyway.  In any case, it is in the history of this talk page.--BenBurch 08:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: This is getting quite annoying. He moved this page to Don't move, and then blanked it. He's also doing stuff to Merit_pay. I've asked him to come and comment on his removals here, but if this continues we may need to resort to Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Procedure. Copysan 03:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I marked Don't move for deletion. --BenBurch 04:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, SOURCE all of the statements, and they can stay.  Jimbo gets away with what Jimbo wants to get away with.  In general you should never, ever edit your own article. That is the definition of autobiography. --BenBurch 05:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Good job.  I'll be re-adding some of the material the subject apparently wanted to have expunged as time permits.--BenBurch 08:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: On second thought, http://www.schmuckfest.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=343841&module_id=4050 is not an acceptable source for this material.  WP:LIVING sets a high standard, and a blog never meets it unless it cites acceptable primary or secondary sources for this information, which this does NOT.  I'm *not* trying to rain on your parade here, but that is how it happens.--BenBurch 08:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a blog, it's a charitable organization and the bio is about one of it's members.  It's perfectly acceptable.  Numerous bio's on WP base information on bios posted by organizations.  Please replace it.  Tbeatty 09:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Id like to point out that the page is a secondary or tertiary source. Everything on that page can be found from primary sources (ie legislative records, which should be publicily accssible) and more crediible secondary sources like newspapers or magazines with a good amouont of circulation. Copysan 10:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, and the blog or charitable organization or whatever it is doesn't cite its sources.  Let's find the primary sources.  (As I have done in citing his legislative web site.)--BenBurch 18:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are a primary source about their membership.  They do not require sources.  They can be cited about their own membership.  --Tbeatty 22:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it concerns his legislative record, there are much better sources than a club. If it concerns his family or his personal history, there are much better sources than a club bio page because the bio page will most likely be whitewashed. If it concerns his membership in the club, then this is a primary source. Copysan 22:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You may search out additional sources and use them.  But this is a membership bio about a member and as such is a legitimate source.   Please don't delete the sourced materal but feel free to add to it with other sources. Only the facts were taken from the bio and there is no whitewasing in the Wikipedia article version of the facts.  --Tbeatty 22:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying it is wrong information, but I do not accept that a club has the standing to create an acceptable source. --BenBurch 23:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It certainly does regarding it's members.  Are you saying the DNC wouldn't be a reliable source for information?  That is simply an organization with members.  This organization is a non-political fundraisers and Huppenthal is a member.  Definitely meets WP:RS guidelines.   --Tbeatty 18:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope.  No fact checking whatsoever is implied by publication by such an organization.  That is the essential issue with WP:RS.  Those things that qualify are where there are an editorial role which has some reputation for fact checking.  That is why self-published sources are not accepted.  And this club you posted is essentially a self-published source since it too whatever the Hon. John Huppenthal sent them and just reprinted it.  How can that ever make the information RELIABLE? Look, I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, but can we please find the same information from a newspaper article? --BenBurch 20:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are mistaken.  Everything on the web is "self published".  Primary sources, which this is, are allowed as factual information about themselves.  They are allowed because this type of information (i.e. biographical data) is self-provided even for secondary sources such as newpapers.  There is a reason why primary sources are allowed and this is it.  If you think the facts need a better source, then feel free to find it, but the current source meets WP:RS --Tbeatty 07:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: A statement in the article makes no sense: "As a City Council member, Huppenthal quickly developed a reputation.[2]" Reputation for what? The source is his own personal biography, written by a Mr. Schmuck. It's a puff piece and has no business here. The final section of this entry refers to a recorded interview apparently showing Huppenthal was unaware of the effect of a vote he made for reducing an education program by 90%.  The article claims Mr Huppenthal left the interview (with a high school student) to get information, returning later, and claims that section of the video was removed. There is no support for this claim in the references, nor does Huppenthal indicate that is what he is doing when he abruptly leaves the room.184.98.50.2 (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Please note this blog mention

message: Did Huppenthal ever do a rebuttal to the accusations made by the recall effort? If so, we should summarize that and place it after the quote to provide some balance Copysan 10:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I'll look for it.--BenBurch 12:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Note to Tbeatty and  J. Huppenthal: This is not a "politician's bio",  and isn't supposed to read like one. It's an article on Wiki. - F.A.A.F.A. 06:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recall 

message: This person has been given an indefinite vandal block. --BenBurch 17:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No wonder I didnt notice any blankings today Copysan 21:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Greenfields]] 

message: I deleted personal info on where his children attend school, and the church he attends. That's personal info inappropriate for the article. 
'Schmuckfest' a RS??? LOL! Riiiiight! - F.A.A.F.A. 06:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is very reliable and a non-political site as it is a charitable organization.  The information is relevant and is appropriate for a biography.  --Tbeatty 04:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  deleted personal info 

message: Yes, I have heard of him. I have an American friend that goes to the school he is on board of...but he is NOT CHAIRMAN! In fact, the principle of the school is. He is but a parent on the board... It's unessecary to call him by what he is not, don't you think?
Hmm... --Nyx Abbing 19:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Huppenthal... 

message: Hey link here unicorn cheese! --Nyx Abbing 19:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John  

message: The sentences:
In June 2010, Huppenthal was interviewed by a high-school student, Keith Wagner. A cut of the interview video was posted online that cast Huppenthal in a negative light. The cut showed him apparently contradicting himself and then walking out of the interview.
Referring to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL1CgptlYZU
Keep getting deleted. Possibly by the office of John Huppenthal given the IP related to it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.241.51 (talk) 22:24, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You need a better reference than that. See WP:RSRaquel Baranow (talk) 22:32, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

text: WP:BLP applies more than anything here. Please do not reinsert it without a reliable source; it's not like youtube hoaxes aren't a thing and we need to be cognizant of that. Deadbeef 22:36, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The YouTube video is an interview with Huppenthal. That's a RS for Huppenthal's public statements. There are some additional RS sources relating to the interview, so this "controvery" can probably be included properly -- though I think the writing is going to need a little bit of work to make it NPOV, with the appropriate weight. Fearofreprisal (talk) 06:27, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

text: I have worked in the past to make sure this section stayed in, but I'm starting to think it's a non-issue. AZCentral and minor political blogs blew up for a day or two when it happened because a high school student making a politician look foolish is funny. In the long run, the careers of politicians (especially local and state) are filled with these types of moments. I'm not sure we need to document them. --Laser brain (talk) 12:06, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Still agree: This item is a non-issue, and shouldn't be included.  I doubt that the IP editor who is reinserting it in the article will come here to discuss it, though. Cinteotl (talk) 17:29, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP In Phoenix keeps deleting a controversy 

message: I've noticed that several articles mention this law. I don't see an article about it. Should someone who has studied the matter write one? Jim.henderson (talk) 00:01, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  HB 2281 

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