Talk:TEC-9

message: it is entirely relevant to mention that it was used in the columbine shootings. that is a true fact. it supports the idea that this is a dangerous weapon which has no viable purpose besides killing people. --Alhutch 05:27, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  Many Wikipedia gun articles have mentioned infamous uses of specific firearms. See John Browning, and mention of Gavrilo Princip's use of one of his pistol designs to start WW I.  (FN Browning M1910). Ditto for the gun that killed President McKinley.  And, the .41 caliber derringer that killed President Lincoln. There is considerable benefit to knowing historical usages of firearms, whether for good or bad.  Yaf 04:59, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Yaf. perhaps someone who didn't know the weapon was used in the Columbine massacre could link to that article from here. it seems rather POV to not include this information.--Alhutch 05:04, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Yaf on this, actually.  After seeing those articles, I agree it could be of historical importance.  What I didn't agree with was Alhutch's "it seems rather POV to not include this information" when his "neutral" POV statement above made so much sense: "it supports the idea that this is a dangerous weapon which has no viable purpose besides killing people" (give me a break!).  The debated sentence, coupled with that comment ***IS NOT*** simply a statement of historical value. --The Deviant 15:07, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Listing notorious usage

message: IT WAS ALSO USED IN THE MERRILL V. NAVEGAR CASE HWERE MR. FERRI USED IT TO KILL 8 AND WOUND 6 CALIFORNIA VEIWED THE COMPANY NOT REALIABLE
I fail to see that being a problem. Small handguns that were designed for concealed carry were also designed with the sole purpose of killing other human beings, but unlike the large and heavy TEC-9, they are used much more often in crime and self-defense. The size and weight issue are primarily responsible for the fact that assault weapons were and still are used only extremely rarely in crime. Statistically speaking, small affordable handguns are much more dangerous to the population than TEC-9 and the likes. They are more likely to be illegaly resold on the black market, and more likely to be used in anger due to them being carried more often than scary, but unwieldy, assault weapons. The conclusion that assault weapons are more dangerous to the society than conventional weapons is a fallacy, drawn in a factual vacuum by poorly informed individuals obviously unqualified to make any kind of legislative decisions concerning the very real and the very important problem of gun violence. 68.81.29.74 16:52, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I AGREE 

message: I looked at the prototype photo at http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg136-e.htm and I have a feeling I tried it out when I did my military service, but it was a longer version made too. If I'm correct much of the parts came from the Carl Gustaf M/45. // Liftarn
:Could you please provide a citation for the claim that the KG-9 was based on the M45?  Apart from the fact that they're both tube guns and made in Sweden I don't see any obvious connection.  Thanks. Bgeer 18:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess "He told me so." falls under "original research". Having done my military service witht he m/45 I can also see the resembance (even without the inside info). Notice the magazine. They are identical (notice the wedge shape). The fast loader for the m/45 can be used. Both uses 9 x 19 mm Luger/Parabellium (altough many do). // Liftarn 13:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Noticed similarities and drawing conclusions from them might fall under original research too. I don't mean to be overly confrontational, but I don't see any sources supporting the M/45 theory here or in a Google search for various combincations of Carl Gustaf M/45 (or M45) and Intratec Tec-9. I'll leave it for now. Highlandlord 03:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Tec-9 is developed from the Interdynamic MP-9, which in turn was a modern version based on the CG m/45 (note that a capital M/ would be some kind of naval equipment).  English sources are difficult to find though, unless one counts blogs like this a reliable source. BP OMowe (talk) 15:08, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prototypes 

message: Looks like this could be yet another firearms article which degenerates into an irrelevant list of films/games etc where the gun has appeared.  Other articles are adopting the practice of having a simple sentence that the gun has appeared in various media, and a separate article detailing the appearances so the kiddies can list each and every one.  Riddley 12:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Historical note. We lose Popular Culture sections in articles due to popular clutter with trivial not notable mentions. I am tempted on gun articles to simply recommend an external link to Internet Movie Firearms Database, whose contributors include actual movie and TV prop dept personnel as well as gun buffs and historians, anime fans and videogamers, movie and TV fans. There's where you need to direct people for trivia lists. --Naaman Brown (talk) 18:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular culture

message: Either the DC part of the article's title needs to be much more clearly addressed in the first sentence or paragraph, or this article should be moved to Intratec TEC-9.
eae 08:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title

message: The mention of the use at Columbine should be retained and included, as it is expressly notable relative to the weapon.  This gun was mentioned by name in the  Assault Weapons Ban, and Columbine also led to state laws changing with regards to assault weapons in several states.  This is not a point of trivia for this weapon. Yaf 15:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The cited source mentions that the Tec-9 is named along with 18 other weapons in the AWB but the source makes no mention whatsoever of the Columbine shootings.  That the Tec-9 is mentioned by name in the AWB should be in this article.  The trivial mention of its use in a shooting should not.  Also, of all the firearms and firearms related articles that are linked to in the Columbine shooting article (and there are 10 or more), this is is the only one of them that mentions the Columbine shooting.  there is no more need for this mention of usage than there is for mention of Tim Dog and his glorification of the Tec-9 in his songs. K1ng l0v3 17:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We also need to get some pictures of the variants of this firearm, too, showing the differences, into this article.  Those would be beneficial to the quality of the article. Yaf 21:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Columbine mention

message: Cleaned up the text and removed the copyedit tagline. Yaf 03:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking better, thanks Yaf.  Still has some run-on sentences and clunky useage but it's getting there. K1ng l0v3 04:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop deleting cited information that doesn't agree with your POV.  If balance is needed, fine. Lets fix it. But, don't delete material you consider "trivia" just because it is counter to your POV, especially when it is cited and is verified by the cited sources.  Please read the sources; the content is in accordance with the cited sources.  Thank you.  Yaf 11:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The content I keep having to remove is contravened by OR and SYN.  One videogame aboout a crime does not indicate the "public's iconic association" of the Tec-9 and the Columbine shooting.  No source you have provided shows any causality between the use of a Tec-9 at Columbine and any legislation or any problems for Intratec.  Just tacking a footnote on the end of a sentence is not sourcing.  The cited source has to actually back up the claim you are trying to make. K1ng l0v3 14:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy edit

message: What's the effective range for this gun?
And what's actually the safe distance beyond the effective range?
It was being mentioned in this page before that it's range can only go up to 50 metres, but some user removed for no apparent reason.
88.105.126.105 22:37, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effective Range? 

message: Removed sentence: "After Columbine, the TEC-9 became largely iconic and closely-aligned in the public's mind with respect to Columbine."
I think what the writer meant was "After Columbine, the TEC-9 became closely associated with Columbine in the mind of the public." (And maybe also "iconic" of something, but I can't tell what.) However, that's not true, at least not as stated. I'm a member of the public, and I know a lot of members of the public, and I'd never even heard of the TEC-9 until coming across it in a rap lyric unrelated to Columbine. Perhaps the sentence should refer only to people in Colorado, or only to Congressmen, or something. And regardless, it should cite a verifiable source for the claim. --Quuxplusone 20:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Largely iconic"

message: The picture is of an AB-10, not an TEC-9
--Doink67 (talk) 00:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The picture in the article is an Ab-10 

message: The entry for Submachine gun says "A submachine gun (SMG) is a firearm that combines the automatic fire of a machine gun with the cartridge of a pistol, and is usually between the two in weight and size." The TEC-9s I've seen were all semi-automatic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.201.104.120 (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In't a TEC-9 technically just a pistol with submachinegun styling? 

message: Any thoughts on adding a subsection on the Tec-22 'Scorpion' variant? Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 02:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tec-22 'Scorpion' 

message: It clearly states in the first few paragraphs of the article that it was designed as a SMG: "intended as a cheap submachine gun based on the Carl Gustav M/45..."
Shouldn't this then be classfied and have the catagory tags for SMG, or both machine pistol and smg? it's also under semi-automatic handgun, too, for some reason.69.132.69.87 (talk) 23:18, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  SMG 

message: This sentence appears in the introduction but it is unstated what "all the three models" are or what the difference between them are. Regards, --RA (talk) 23:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...all the three models are referred to as the TEC-9..." 

message: There are writers who track and document police seizures of illegal weapons. They report a number of copiers of the Carl Gustav M/45 design. In Sweden the guns are called Rattles; in Israel, they are called Carlos. Like the MAC10, the basic design is simple and easy to adapt. According those who track police seizures of illegal weapons, they may be unmarked or marked with bogus factory and country of origin. They may be styled to resemble anything from a TEC 9 to an AK47 from a distance. But they are usually copies of the Carl Gustav design, like the TEC 9 was, rather than copies of the TEC 9. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Imitation made illegally in Europe