Talk:Samskara (Indian philosophy)

message: This page is a work in progress. Please add any helpful points or make any corrections you like. I do not mean to play the expert. Rather I simply noticed that this is a common word that had no entry in Wikipedia, though several sites link to it.
:Please make the introduction say what it is, not where it's from and stuff.  Pointers at WP:GTL. NickelShoe 03:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Work in progress

message: Both words are just different spellings. Babub→Talk 01:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: The recent addition by User:Sanathan Sanskar about the meaning of the word "sanskar" is on a different sense of the sanskrit term -- as a mental impression upon the mind that causes judgments. The article by Sanathan might belong to the article Saṃskāra. Since it had no citations and can't be looked up and considered, it is hard to be sure where it belongs. Dazedbythebell (talk) 16:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sanathan, you appear to be a new user. This is your contribution history on Wikipedia. To simply put back a section you have added yourself exactly as it was without addressing the discussion page, trying to reach consensus, adding any references, or addressing the tag added above it is not a good way to go. Since you appear to be new to the English language Wikipedia, and this is only the second article you have contributed to, I encourage you to begin by learning the Wikipedia standard protocols before continuing to do reverts. Most importantly please discuss here and reach a consensus before doing anything. This article is about the concept of impressions in Hinduism. There are many other uses of the word and you have it spelled another way. You may thus wish to start a new article under that term (it is clearly another sense of the term) and then disambiguate it at the top of the page. Thank you. I'll leave the material for a while to give you time to discuss here. Dazedbythebell (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sanskar

message: The recent merge of Sanskara with Saṃskāra was not discussed. Sanskara was a very old and stable article. Please discuss and develop consensus. Dazedbythebell (talk) 22:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion is good.  SaintAviator lets talk 06:42, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Instead of duplicating the discussion on two talk pages, let us respond on the Saṃskāra talk page. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:35, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undiscussed Merger 

message: There is going to have to be a new section for Sanskaras specific to Meher Baba. This is because Baba was not Hindu, and because his explanation of the term was different. In fact these are both statements by Baba on sanskaras as impressions. "The very foundation of all my explanations is sanskaras." (Bhau Kalchuri, Lord Meher, p. 835) "I will give you some very new facts concerning sanskaras; truly, no philosophical books explain the term properly." (ibid p. 2250) Baba had whole chapters on sanskaras, and his entire system is based on them. If the Baba template is to link to the term, it should not be named "Hinduism." It needs a new page or the section for now be eliminated from the Hindu part. Baba was Zoroastrian and his teaching emphasized Sufism. He wasn't Hindu. Dazedbythebell (talk) 12:40, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the move to Sanskara (Hinduism) makes no sense, because the rights of passage are also a strictly and exclusively Hindu use of the word. So the word is grossly misnamed. One suggestion is to merge this article with the Buddhist term Saṅkhāra and then have a section on Hinduism, one on its nuance in Buddhism, and one on how Meher Baba explained it, and others, and name it Sanskara (philosophy) again. But for now I am going to remove links from the Baba article to this now Hindu specific article title. Dazedbythebell (talk) 12:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the Baba data and other information is important to keep. A page rename should do it, does anyone who regularly edits the page have any ideas? Thanks for keeping on top of this Dazedbythebell. Randy Kryn 13:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: A section specific for Meher Baba's opinions on sanskara's seems WP:UNDUE to me. I think you can limit those specifications to the Meher Baba article. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:24, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: NB: the term "sanskara" isn't even included anymore in the Meher Baba-template, so why is this template still on this page? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:26, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

text: You could propose a merger, and leave a notification at both the India and Buddhism project-pages. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

text: It seems to me that focussing too much on the specifics of the names ("Hindu," "eastern," "syncretic") won't be really helpfull. Most readers won't care at all. If it's helpfull for Meher Baba adepts to have an overview of his teachings, then add it to the discourses-page. Tt seems to fit there quite well. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I too like Hoverfish's suggestion of moving the Meher Baba specific part to a sub-section of the Discourses (Meher Baba) article. I would be willing go ahead and develop that as a minor section. I agree it would belong there. Dazedbythebell (talk) 21:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Meher Baba]] 

message: Sanskara (Hinduism) title for this article is confusing, because the term Sanskara in Hinduism commonly refers to rites of passage. Sankhara (Buddhism) and Sanskara (suffixed either (philosophy) or (psychology)) have distinct enough spelling to remain separate articles. My plan was to (1) expand this article, (2) add a summary section on Buddhism here with link to the main Sankhara article, (3) add a section on the concept of Sanskara as mental/psyche traces in Jainism.  Would that make Sanskara (philosophy) or Sanskara (psychology) a more proper title?
 Samskara/Sanskara is not exclusive to Hinduism as a term for the rites of passage. Jain literature uses it too. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:59, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for clarifying that for me Ms Sarah Welch. Dazedbythebell (talk) 21:14, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

text: In that case, "Samskara (Indian philosophy)" (or "Samskara (Indian religions)", or "Samskara (Indian philosophy and religions)") might be quite fine, I guess. It's just that "philosophy" is too general, and a little bit odd, when the article on the Buddhist usage of the term is "Samskara (Buddhism)" (or soemthing like that). Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:06, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sanskara (Indian philosophy) is a good idea. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

text: I'm for redirecting it one more time to Samskara (Indian philosophy), and giving a brief section on the Buddhist sense and linking to the Sankhara article for elaboration. And if anyone wants to add a Jain section that would be good. As for spellings Samskara or Sanskara, I think it is more often spelled samskara, even in its philosophical sense, though I am not positive of that. Dazedbythebell (talk) 21:17, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Samskara might be better, to avoid confusion with Sanskara (rite de passage). Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:22, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Either Samskara (Indian philosophy) or Sanskara (Indian philosophy) is fine. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:55, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Can someone redirect it (removing any double redirects) then to Samskara (Indian philosophy) and so we can add the brief section on Buddhism and link to it for further reading? Dazedbythebell (talk) 13:01, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Good move. Dazedbythebell (talk) 00:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Title of the article

message: As above, there have been some requests from the community to merge
Samskara (Indian philosophy) and Sankhara.
Some say they are cognates between Pali and Sanskrit.
In a possible merger, the article may be called Samskara and would describe not just Buddhism but also Hinduism, Jainism, and the Indian philosophy in general.
That said, I do not see many differences between the two articles and agree with others above, that although the contents are slightly different, a unification would be beneficial as the two articles share more in common than is useful to distinguish with two separate articles.
Lastly the disambiguator (Indian philosophy) seems redundant, adding not much. 
These are all Indian philosophies after all.
Rather than change it, this gives another reason why a simple merger under the name Samskara would be beneficial.
But I am open to discussion here before taking action. Thank you.
Alexkyoung (talk) 18:31, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2019: another merger request 

message: Can you precise who is "Das"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boutarfa Nafia (talk • contribs) 10:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion