Talk:Southern Illinois

message: It seems that the article in general equates all of Southern Illinois with Little Egypt. In my experience (I'm from Mt. Vernon), the Metro-East is not included at all in "Little Egypt," and the northern boundary is further south than Effingham (e.g. the news coverage of the Southern Illinoisan, which IIRC has advertised itself as a regional newspaper for Little Egypt, pretty much fades out north of Benton). If there is historical precedent, I don't have a problem with it staying as it is, but should there perhaps be two different pages for Southern Illinois and Little Egypt? Or, at the least, should Southern Illinois be the principal name of the page, since it is the more general name for the region? Just some thoughts. MikeND05 01:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree totally.  Southern Illinois and Little Egypt are *not* coincident.  This article must have been written by someone from Chicago.... 68.73.94.131 (talk) 05:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Also agreed. I'd go so far as to say that people from Effingham don't even consider themselves as being from Southern Illinois, much less Little Egypt. I always kind of thought one of the defining characteristics of Southern Illinois/Little Egypt were due to the fact that it was less flat and more forested than the more "prairie" parts of Central Illinois. Just geographically, the terrain doesn't start getting really hilly until maybe 25-40 miles south of Effingham (I'm thinking Salem/Olney). But most of the terrain along I-70 seems about as flat as the more Northern parts of Central Illinois.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.24.142.128 (talk) 06:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Boundaries

message: :See also #Boundaries (the section next above).
*67.176.74.236 05:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes,Cairo is pronounced Kay-ro (ro like the greek letter "rho") and that pronunciation should be indicated the first time "Cairo" is used because almost everyone outside of southern Illinois will presume it takes the standard pronunciation.  There also exist towns in southern Illinois called Vye - enna (Vienna) and New Madrid where the Ma is accented and pronounced "Maw" as in "Ma Barker" and drid rhymes with "did." Ileanadu (talk) 17:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Name?...

message: The region had alot in common with south for one part its racial characteristics and some of the locals have southern accents, and according to past history representatives voted in support of many bills which were largley supported by southerners.
:To a large extent, this is part of the re-imagining of the "romantic South". It is covered in the culture section. Rmhermen 04:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most men joined the Union Army.  General Logan was one of the dignitaries at an April 1866 event to decroate graves of Civil War soldiers at Woodlawn Cemetery in Carbondale, IL.  This was one of several early "Memorial Days" started in different parts of the country. Later as national commander of the Union veterans' group, Grand Army of the Republic (GAR), Logan in 1868 ordered all GAR chapters to observe May 30 as a day of remembrance. --Parkwells (talk) 14:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

text: ""Southern accent" had not yet come into existence.". This is not entirely true. Speech has changed since the War but regional speech differences existed long before the War. Rmhermen 05:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Memorial Day is documented to have started in Maryland, I think at Antietam.  There were early observations in several places.--Parkwells (talk) 15:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How About this regions support of the Confederacy? 

message: I think we have a pretty good article here but it would be nice to have a couple more pictures and maybe a more concentrated 'History' section. GA status would logically be the goal, but issues with the GA process lead me to think that I'd rather not bother to get GA for this article. Anyone else have any opinions? Robovski 23:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving Forward

message: "Southern Illinois has consistently voted for conservative Republican candidates since 1920."
I don't buy it.  Prove me wrong.
--I think you might be right. Look at this.  So. IL has voted predominantly Democrat in 2004, 1992, 1988, 1976, 1964, 1956, 1952, 1944, 1936, 1932, 1928, and 1924  Just because it's near some more Republican states, it does not mean that they will vote Republican.  Southern IL and the Chicago areas are the two main Democratic voting areas in the state.  Out of 22 elections between 2008 and 1920, 12 (more than half) were dominated by Democratic votes in the Southern Illinois Region. 54% of the time since then it has voted Democrat.
----http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/IL/S/01/
----http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=1996&fips=17&f=0&off=0&elect=0
----http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=17&year=1992&f=0&off=0
----http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=17&year=1976&f=0&off=0
----http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=17&year=1964&f=0&off=0
----http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1956.htm\
----http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1944.htm
----http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1936.htm
----http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1932.htm
----http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1928.htm
----http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1924.htm
And another thing is, why list elections since 1920?
The same is also true for 1916, 1912, 1908, and 1900.
note: http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1916.htm
----http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1916.htm
----http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1908.htm
----http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1900.htm
I looked at the same source, and this even goes true for some elections prior to 1900 (such as 1896, 1868). One thing that is very interesting to look more into is the question of how and why Southern IL has stayed so predominantly Democratic during and before the Civil War.  This even goes back to 1836 when the Whigs still had an influence.  Prior to the 1836 election, it is very difficult to find sources that break it down by county for Illinois.
---http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/elec_comtes/1836.htm
Do you think it would be safe to say that Southern Illinois has historically been Democrat?  I know that right around the Civil War with Lincoln and Steven Douglas, the basis of the Democratic changed.  For quality, I think Southern Illinois politics should be researched, elaborated and made into its own section.  It's too lengthy to discuss in one page.
~Seeright (talk) 00:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for this info? 

message: The golden circle does not divide southern illinois from the rest of the state.    The circle's arc goes way north according to the map on Golden Circle (slavery) 128.114.60.186 10:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that far north. Rmhermen 20:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  golden circle 

message: Following the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)#Directions and regions And given that this article assumes that Southern Illinois is a distinct region.  Shouldn't it be capitalized?  Or at least shouldn't the use of capitalization for the region be consistent throughout? 70.225.36.194 (talk) 18:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. 68.73.94.131 (talk) 05:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalize "Southern Illinois" 

message: This article needs to be renamed "Southern Illinois" and rewritten so that "Little Egypt" is subordinate as a mere nickname for the region, not the name of the region (which it certainly is not now, if it ever was). The way it is written now would be like naming the article on "Chicago" to "The Windy City" and redirecting "Chicago" to it. 68.73.94.131 (talk) 05:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And as others have pointed out, Little Egypt is not synonymous with Southern Illinois, but a portion of it. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 22:27, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename and Rewrite 

message: This seems a long list of notable cities for a region described as rural.  Needs to be reduced.--Parkwells (talk) 15:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of cities too long

message: This list of Egypt-related items seems too much like trivia (teams and institutions in a region named Little Egypt are named in association with that. So?  Too long.  Recommend deletion.--Parkwells (talk) 16:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia list at end of Origin of name

message: See also previous discussion above. —  AjaxSmack  06:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, this page begins with the complaint that Little Egypt does not apply to all of this area; my experience is that it doesn't, just the dark soils of the Ohio Valley. You have a couple of anon complaints, and a response from PreciousRoi that Little Egypt reaches to Waterloo, Illinois. The correct response is to divide the page, as originally suggested. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaming to Southern Illinois

message: * fix the geography section
A Media section
* The Southern Illinoisian Newspaper
* WSIL-TV
* Things like that
Other
* Fix the economy section (Include factual statements on the downturn of the economy)
* add a government section
* bla bla bla. Use your imagination, This article as alot of potential and needs to seriously be worked on after the move is made. I personally love the article on Southern California, so use that as a template on what needs to be in this article. Except use proper references.
* I already added the section on the different regions of Southern Illinois. I just need to collect all the references for it. This is an article I cannot do on my own. I'm still working on trying to get the Harrisburg, Illinois page Featured Article Status, I already got the thing to Good Article Status.  (I am still learning everything there is to learn about Wiki-editing. so yea, you can call me a noob doing crazy things like climbing the harrisburg levee to take a picture for wiki and falling in a pond by accident.)
* Oh yea, someone should look up something about the zip code 618, because that's basically all of southern Illinois right there. 
Ruhe1986 (talk) 01:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also like to see a section in this article on the Burrows Cave story (supposed find of thousands of Egyptian artifacts in the area).  Granted, it's a hoax, but it's still a notable hoax, so should at least be mentioned. --Elonka 03:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Areas that need to be included within article

message: At least editors agree this is about Illinois; I deleted the photos of Evansville, Paducah, and Cape Girardeau, which have no place here.  St. Louis may be marginal, but there are claims that Metro-East, part of its metropolitan area, is part of Southern Illinois).Parkwells (talk) 19:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted irrelevant photos

message: This article states, "The Illini Indian tribes, after whom the state is named, . . ", but the article on Illinois suggests otherwise.  I have no idea which is correct; perhaps someone can provide some references?
Fcy (talk) 01:16, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Conflicting Information?

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message: Given that this article is about Southern Illinois, it seems that the image of St. Louis included (St Louis night expblend.jpg) should be replaced by an image taken of somewhere within Metro East.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amomiamigo (talk • contribs) 00:56, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why include image of St. Louis rather than ESL to represent Metro East 

message: The photos captioned as "cold hardy palms" were restored after I removed them. I'm removing them again because these photos do NOT show palms, these photos show yuccas, which are not particularly notable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.51.174.100 (talk) 02:33, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This topic is currently being discussed on WikiProject Plants. Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n! 01:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cold hardy palms" 

message: Principia College in Jersey County and Blackburn College in Macoupin County are listed under Colleges and universities, yet the map shows neither county as being in Southern Illinois. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 15:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that those counties, as well as Calhoun, should be added on the map, perhaps shaded pink. In my opinion, any area within the 618 area code should be categorized as Southern Illinois. 107.242.113.31 (talk) 20:42, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geographic anomaly: Counties and colleges 

message: This is simply false. Southern Illinois and Little Egypt are not coterminous. We can bicker day and night over where Little Egypt starts, but wherever that is, it's well down into Southern Illinois. Madison and Bond counties, for example, (and others) are uncontroversially within Southern Illinois. They (and others) are also uncontroversially north of Little Egypt. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 06:11, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this. 157.185.115.191 (talk) 17:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  this has been corrected 157.185.115.191 (talk) 03:45, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  False: Southern Illinois is also known as "Little Egypt"