Talk:Paul Kelly (Australian musician)

message: Manually archived at Talk:Paul Kelly (musician)/Archive 1 by --shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Earlier discussions

message: From my understanding of the second failed FAC the following may still require fixing:
#Book sources need page numbers.
##Who's Who of Australian Rock
##Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop: has an on-line checkable version.
##Australian Chart Book 1970–1992
#"seemingly unorganized prose. There are short and long paragraphs that tend to break the flow."
##I'm not sure if I got all these up to standard required.
#"In general, formatting could be more consistent."
##I'm not sure if all such instances have been covered.
#"Multi-page documents need page numbers in citations, as do magazines, journals and newspapers for which no web links are provided"
##Other than the book sources above, I think I've got all these but I'm not sure.
All up, some assistance from other interested editors would be much appreciated.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:56, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Work to do

message: Start with the toolbox at right.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated pipe to current location.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:00, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Preparation for FAC3

message: According to The Age the couple were happy to pose together on 24 October 2011. In November, User:Yonipr made four edits implying the relationship had ended but these changes were reverted and I asked on the User's talkpage for Yonipr to provide a reliable source for these changes. Since that time I have searched news media for any statement citing either Prior or Kelly that they had separated.
Subsequently similar edits have recurred from time to time: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7.
The latter edit had a summary which said, "Paul Kelly and Sian Prior separated in late 2011. She wishes the information on this page to represent this truthfully. Multiple attempts have been made to correct factual errors on this page, and requests have been made by Ms Prior to Wikipedia". I explained on User:202.161.23.238's talkpage why I reverted the edits and asked for a source. This edit summary implies that the user is associated with Prior. I have still have not seen any statement in the news media verifying the separation. I request other editors to help see whether they can find such a source.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree with your first sentence pfctdayelise.  Pick just about any couple (eg. Julia Gillard and Tim Mathieson) who have not been seen in public together in the last 24 hours. It's reasonable to assume that they are still in a relationship until we hear of news to the contrary. Gfcvoice (talk) 07:43, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's a ridiculous comparison. There's no way that Paul Kelly's personal life is reported on in a way that is comparable to the Prime Minister's. You admit that this is an assumption, so why is the burden of proof ("citation needed") on those who want to err on the side of privacy in order to respect Prior's privacy? This is not even her bio! WP:BLP states: BLPs "must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy". This also applies to Prior. --pfctdayelise (talk) 03:59, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Paul Kelly and Sian Prior

message: I have upload a new photo of the Espy. I think it's better than the one currently used on Kelly's page. Change or not to change? - HappyWaldo (talk) 03:25, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good view of the entrance but a little narrow compared to the existing one. The current photo shows more of the edifice and includes the notice 'Patrons Must Be Seated at All Times', which is likely to relate to the performance nature of that area of the hotel. In this case I'm less concerned by this replacement provided a good alternative text is provided.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Espy photo

message: Substituted at 01:14, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: has repeatedly edited this article to change the birth year of one of Kelly's daughters. In doing so the user has removed a ref tab to a reliable source (The Age newspaper) and added variously the following sources:
# Wordpress article, which has user-generated content and is unreliable for BLP informaiton. This edit was reverted by another editor.
# Sonic hype article, which is essentially the same as the previous. I reverted this edit.
# Google search results. Google's infobox also has user-generated content.
I request the above user to refrain from adjusting the contentious birth year until a consensus is reached by interested editors on which source is more reliable. The Age vs user-generated content.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:43, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi . I can't get to the first one, and the others are not good enough. I would request page protection if they keep reverting. However, in the spirit of WP:BLP, and WP:DOB, I would err on the cautious side and leave out the daughters' years of birth until and unless they are notable in their own right and the info is widely published. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:55, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I can go with that. Thanks for your advice.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:42, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

text: The daughters' names should probably go too. HiLo48 (talk) 10:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you elucidate your rationale for this opinion?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:52, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they are private individuals who are not notable in their own right. HiLo48 (talk) 08:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Both daughters are performance artists. They have performed with their father and a cousin (also has a wp article), which has been reported in various independent reliable sources including their names. The sources I've seen do not provide enough in-depth material on them for a separate wp article (as yet) however they can be named in the articles on their parents.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:21, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 2022 edits