Talk:Overseas Filipinos

message: This discussion started on Wikipedia:Tambayan_Philippines, but I've moved it here. Gronky 01:50, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Overseas Filipinos always implies working abroad or studying abroad, both emigrants and non-emigrants. Filipinos on holiday are called tourists :) --Noypi380 06:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name and content

message: A request to merge Overseas Filipino Worker to Overseas Filipino has been made for the reasons stated above. Pls vote, and explain your reasons. Thanks. 
*Merge. For the reasons stated above. It also would be hard to fill both articles. Better to merge, and have one, good, long article, than to to have two short ones. Overseas Filipinos imply all OF workers, OF students, and "TNTs". --Noypi380 12:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger

message: 2004 SURVEY ON OVERSEAS FILIPINOS, Philippine National Statistics Office, on OFWs:
* 1.06 million Overseas Filipinos Workers
* 33.4% are unskilled workers, 15.4% are Trades and related workers, 15.1% are plant and machine operators and assemblers.
* 49.3% are males, 50.7% are females.
* Remittances are 64.7 billion Philippine pesos (equals 1.2 billion USD then)
Even other Filipino official's number is about 10 billion. 
Or it is my mistake?AirBa 03:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question on Filipino official's number of remittances

message: In my experience, Filipino emigrant communities are concentrated in certain cities, not spread across countries.  I've been in a state of the USA where I saw no Filipinos, and I've been in two places in Spain where one was full of Filipinos and the second had none.  This section is needlessly and misleadingly imprecise.  Any objections to noting the cities?  Or, any better ideas for how to improve this? Gronky 09:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections, in fact, good idea. :) --Noypi380 03:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing "countries" to "cities"

message: Is it possible that the source claiming there are 1.06 Overseas Filipino Workers and 7 million permanent residents/contractual workers abroad are both correct? This doesn't make sense to me.
Also, the 2004 Overseas Filipino Workers Survey says they remitted 1.15 billion USD, but BSP, the central bank of the philippines, says it was 8.55 billion USD. The BSP report is linked from the POEA: . Direct link is here: 
Canadianpotatoes 19:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: on the first part I believe 'Overseas Filipino Workers' is distinct from Residents. OFW's are contractual and often temporary, while residents are actual immigrants granted citizinship.--Obsidi♠nSoul 06:32, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Data sources do not correspond

message: According to the this article, Filipinos number between 500 000 and 600 000 in Italy. In the Filipino people article, however, the figure given is 76 000. I’m hoping someone could fix that.
: I checked the sources listed on this article, and it seems like the figure of 76,000 on the Filipino people article coincides with the sources presented. I've added a request for sources on the 600,000 figure that was given. --Edward Sandstig 16:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Filipinos in Italy

message: i have recently merged the List of Filipinos abroad with this article,
also, i have explicitly declared the implied usage of the terminology in this article
i hope this helps to clarify things
the 1st paragraph now reads:
An Overseas Filipino is a person of Philippine origin who lives outside of the Philippines.  This term applies both to people of Filipino ancestry who now live and reside as citizens of a different country, and those who continue to be Filipino citizens and those supporting their families back in the Philippines.  It may also extend to Filipinos having extended holidays abroad, however, common usage does not usually include this group.
any further insight is welcome
.: Seth Nimbosa :. 00:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited that first paragraph extensively in an effort to make it read better. I hope that I did not change the meaning, and that I improved it. --Bruce Hall (talk) 15:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  another Merger and tiptoeing on the Terminology 

message: I see that Fil-foreign redirects to this page.  I have only seen the term "Fil-foreign" used in relation to Fil-foreign players in the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA).  As I understand it, the PBA treats Fil-foreign players as not-quite Filipino.  I may have that wrong, but whatever the meaning of "Fil-foreign" is, it seems to me that this page ought to explain the meaning if "Fil-foreign" is to redirect to this page.  --- Boracay Bill 03:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fil-foreign 

message: This section reeks of POV and original research. It also contains various unsupported and possibly incorrect assertions. I propose deletion of this section. Objections? Comments? -- Boracay Bill 01:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't object to it being deleted.  It says too much without citing sources. Gronky 10:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ==Issues== section 

message: I tried to verify the cites in this section.  Rather than sprinkle  links throughout this section, I will remark on the results of my verification efforts here:
*wage cuts
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about wage cuts.  How are wage cuts a challenge for Filipino OFWs to face abroad, anyway?  Is it actually the case that employers will cut the wages of an OFW once the OFW is overseas and on the job, not paying the promised wage but actually paying something less? If so, a cite recounting cases where this happened would be useful.
*contract violations
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about contract violations
*welfare neglect
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about welfare neglect
:*note-BBC seems to say little or nothing about neglect of OFW welfare
*unfair labor practices
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about unfair labor practices.
*illegal recruitment (how is "illegal recruitment" a challenge which is faced abroad?)
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about illegal recruitment.
*physical/verbal/sexual abuses
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about physical/verbal/sexual abuses.
:*note-Flor seems to say nothing about physical/verbal/sexual abuses. (Yes, I do know about the case of Flor Contemplacion)
:*note-Riyadh seems to recount an incident of nontargeted criminal violence, not physical/verbal/sexual abuse.
*mysterious deaths
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about mysterious deaths.
:*note-Riyadh seems to recount an incident of nontargeted criminal violence, not an incident of a mysterious death.
:*note-Lebanon speaks of a case where the family which had lost support by an OFW said to have suicided by jumping from an 8th floor window disbelieved the report, saying that they suspected foul play not involving a fall from 8 floors up. Interesting allegation, but nothing more than an allegation.
*implementation of repressive migrant policies
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about implementation of repressive migrant policies.
:*note-BBC seems to say little or nothing about implementation of repressive migrant policies, unless deportation of illegals is considered repressive.
*crackdowns (how are "crackdowns" a "Challenge"? Crackdowns on what?)
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about crackdowns.
:*note-BBC reports a Malaysian crackdown on illegal immigrants. How is this a "Challenge"?
*raids and zoning (how are "raids and zoning" a "Challenge"?)
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about raids and zoning.
:*note-Flor seems to say little or nothing about raids and zoning.
*racial profiling and discrimination
:*note-Flor seems to say little or nothing about racial profiling and discrimination.
:*note-BBC reports a Malaysian crackdown on illegal immigrants. Is enforcement of laws equivalent to discrimination against lawbreakers? If it is equivalent, is that a bad thing?
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about racial profiling and discrimination.
*kidnappings 
:*note-Gabnet quotes a Gabnet rant which says more about a POV point than it says about how kidnappings are, in general, a Challenge for OFWs
*withholding pay and/or confiscating/hiding documents in some countries
:*note-Flor seems to say nothing about withholding pay or confiscating/hiding documents.
:*note-Gabnet does this requoted Gabnet rant point up withholding of pay or confiscating/hiding of documents?
:*note-Riyadh seems to say nothing about withholding pay and/or confiscating/hiding documents
:*note-Lebanon seems to say nothing about withholding pay and/or confiscating/hiding documents
*abuse, assault, sexual harassment or murder of OFWs (mainly DHs)
:*note-Migrante seems to say nothing about this.
:*note-Flor seems not to speak to that point. (Yes, I do know about the case of Flor Contemplacion - a cite which did speak to that point in relation to her case would be better.)
*NGOs "keen on taking action"
:*note-Migrante IMO an external link would be better here than a ref citation
:*note-Gabnet the gabnet rant requoted here doesn't seem to point up Gabriela's keenness on taking action.
*RP govt urging OFWs to report any misconduct or abuse by employers to local Philippine consulates
:*note-DFA (cited twice in one sentence here) doesn't seem to urge this.  I have seen other items (items not cited here) which did speak of this.
*risk of involvement in a conflict
:*note-Lebanon doesn't seem to point up risk of involvement in a conflict.
Regarding note-Migrante, see WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided #3,4. -- Boracay Bill 02:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added  to this section. -- Boracay Bill 06:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The humongous amount of failed verification tags is making it really difficult to read. --Destron Commander 10:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: There are two many references in this section.  I tried cutting a few that did not seem relevant.  Could we perhaps change their placement or remove more? Or find better references so that we could have only one or so per sentence?--Bruce Hall (talk) 16:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Challenges section 

message: I added a bunch of s in the infobox and wrapped some external links in ref tags.  Also, in the Nations with large Filipino constituencies section:
* addded s
* Italy - flagged a dead link
* Ireland this section says 3,000, the cited source says 3,999, the infobos says 85,000
* Hong Kong - used the cite which the infobox used
more changes planned. -- Boracay Bill 04:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Overseas population figures

message: I'm thinking of redoing the population figures in this article, using figures from STATISTICAL DATA ON OVERSEAS FILIPINO WORKERS (OFWs). This MS Excel spreadsheet is one of the items currently listed in the article's General statistics from Philippine government subsection under External links.  In some (most?) cases, these figures differ substantially from figures currently in the article, which are either from other sources or from unknown/uncited sources.   Comments? -- Boracay Bill 08:15, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population figures 

message: from the info box:
"10 million[1]
11% of the Philippine population"
How can it be 11% of the Philippine populaton when their not even in the Philippines? I mean it's Overseas Filipinos. So does that mean Filipino Americans count as part of the philippine population? 
Coojah 11:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmmm... I think that the implication intended by the statement in the infobox was that the total number of Overseas Filipinos (as Overseas Filipino is defined in the article) verses Filipinos (here, I think the term Filipino was intended to refer to citizens of the RP) is about 11% of the total number RP citizens who are living inside the RP.  However, after taking a look at the cited supporting source, I don't think that the cited source says that.  Accordingly, I have placed a  tag. -- Boracay Bill 13:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total population 

message: Why is this protected? I can't remove possibly offensive/unproven material.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.7.241.89 (talk) 17:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Zealand section 

message: I've reverified the items citing POEA2004 as a supporting source, and made the following changes:
#Changed the infobox figure for Singapore from 136,189 to 136,489 to make it agree with the info in POEA2004
#Removed the infobox POEA2004 cite from Finland, as POEA2004 doesn't mention Finland
#Changed the infobox figure for Belgium from 12,810 to 12,600 to make it agree with the info in POEA2004
#Changed the infobox figure for Switzerland from 11,996 to 14,647 to make it agree with the info in POEA2004
#Relabeled the links and backlinks sequentially a thru i (two links were labeled k, and some backlinks were missing or nonfunctional.
Incidentally,  only supports 31 listed countries and this article currently attempts to use it to list 36 entries POEA2004 links now labeled f, g, and h are numbers 33,  34, and 36 and those backlinks are nonfunctional because the entries don't appear in the infobox. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 05:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed a few problems with this article 

message: The word Balikbayan redirects to this page.  Would like to know if a person who returns to the Philippines is called a "Balikbayan".  Could an expert please add a clarification to this article?  Note that there is already an article on "Balikbayan Box". My specific question has to do with whether the word can also apply to a person. Salamat. WWriter (talk) 01:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See definition info hereand/or here for a specific answer. I don't have time just now to work it into the article. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 05:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

text: What about having a short, more definitional article on "Balikbaya", a la kababayan, that could then link to this article for more information and discussion.  The article could be more of one on etymology and use with no, or very little, discussion of issues. --Bruce Hall (talk) 15:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A balikbayan is not a box. A "balikbayan box" is a box carried into the country by a balikbayan. A balikbayan is strictly a person. It comes from the words "balik" to return, and "bayan" home. It's legally a Filipino that has been absent from the country for a period of at least a year, or who has lost their citizenship. Cheers. Presidentbalut (talk) 21:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of Balikbayan 

message: I did extensive editing because it did read easily, I thought, and because there seemed to be some repetition.  I did not try to change any of the meaning, I hope.  I just tried to simplify the language, including replacing of the more florid prose with more common words with the same meaning.  I also adjusted some of the headings, editing one to read "population" and another to read "economic impact".  I hope that you agree that I did not do any great damage to the meaning of the article.  --Bruce Hall (talk) hi thanks 15:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Extensive Editing

message: The ban of sending Filipino workers to Lebanon has been relatively long time up to the extent that it came to be an unprecedented in the history of the Philippines. It has been further proven that most affected by this ban were both the Lebanese Employers who are in need of workers and the Filipino workers who wished to work in Lebanon and we would like to elucidate things that some changes will happen.
 
Although of the ban ,every year more than 20,000 DH arrive Lebanon from Philippine ,by illegal way without any protection .all the statistics  say that the run always ,maltreatment, unpaid saleries,suicide…. Has been increases after the ban.
The best way to avoid all problems to lift this ban now,espcialy that Lebanon government do all conditions to lift the ban, I attach evident and pls read the follow:
 
On July 20, 2006, the Philippine Government prohibited the sending of Filipino workers to Lebanon due to the war despite the lack of any injury to Filipinos in Lebanon.
 
During the visit of Philippines’ DOLE and DFA Secretaries in Lebanon which was last January 4, 2009, they have announced that President Gloria Arroyo had lifted the ban and allowing sending Filipino workers again to Lebanon. Unfortunately Labor Minister Roque agreed to the decision but only if agreement protecting the Filipino workers coming to Lebanon will be signed by the Lebanese Government (see attached newspaper article that proves what we say).
 
On January 7, 2010, the guarantee has been issued in the Philippines showing the conditions and way of lifting the ban of sending Filipino workers to any country. In short, if the Convention has obtained any of the following three conditions in the employment implementations, the ban shall be lifted:
 
1.      If in case Labor Law of both the host country and foreign workers are integrated/incorporated.
2.      If the host country has signed an International Agreement with the United Nations or Human Rights Organization which protects the workers.
3.      If the host country has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with The Philippines.
Since Lebanon has several International Agreements with the United Nations and other organizations concerned with human rights, and women workers, thus completed the second item (link a copy of the signed agreements), and including the Ministry of Labor ratified the Convention sent from the Philippines, which protects workers coming to Lebanon, completed the third item .
 
Our federation has pledged in writing to the Philippine Embassy in Lebanon and established a full obligations on the Employment Contract of Polo, even the condition of the 400USD minimum salary.
 
It was 12th of August 2010 when the Lebanese Labor Minister received the draft agreement and understanding between the Lebanese Ministry of Labor and the DOLE.  After reviewing, the approval has been made by the Lebanese Labor Minister Mr. Boutros Harb on the 15th of September 2010 which was sent to your Good Office. (Attached is the copy of the Convention and authentication of Lebanese Minister of Labor).   
 
In view of the above, and in respect to the condition of the Philippines, our federation has completed all the official procedures between your country and our country which set on by your invitation to the Lebanese Minister of labor to visit Philippines. However, it will take a lot of time, and our work can longer put up with it. We are pleading from you not to offer us these proceedings but rather and lift the ban first while finishing the handing out of this protocol.
 
Federation of recruitment agencies in Lebanon  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aoral (talk • contribs) 11:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lebanon 

message: These changes in a series of five edits by user Aglia81 caught my eye. Some were unsupported and unexplained changes to previously unsupported figures in the infobox. One changed the overall estimate from 12,500,000+ to a range of 9.5M to 12.5M+. I checked the supporting source cited for the 12.5M+ figure (), and found that is is an article in Tagalog on the topic of results in an athletic competition which seems to have nothing whatever to do with population statistics. 
The 12,500,000+ figure seems to have come from this April 2012 edit, which changed from 11M+ to 12.5M+, said, "There are about 9.5 million registered Overseas Filipinos while an additional 3 million are considered to be illegal aliens" in the edit summary, and cited this 2010 source for the 9.5M figure and this 2003 source for the 3 million illegals. That change apparently presumed that the 9.5M figure was for Philippine Overseas Employment Administration (POEA) workers. However, the source cited in support of that figure came from the Commission on Filipinos Overseas (CFO), the tasking of which goes beyond the POEA.
Presuming that the CFO is reporting figures for Filipinos overseas and not for POEA workers, in this edit I've WP:BOLDly removed the 12.5M+ figure and edited the article to use 9.5M+ (the 2010 CFO figure of almost 9.5M, plus some) as an estimate. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population figures 

message: In the list of countries that has Filipino populations, it lists "Middle East" as a country. The Middle East is not a country. It's not even an accurate scientific designation. Being mostly West Asia and NW Africa. The term is largely archaic and unscientific.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.84.89 (talk) 21:04, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Middle East" is not a country... 

message: I intend to add this article as a student enrolled in Gender and Economic Development in the Third World (University of Utah) and would really appreciate some thoughts on the topic and my outline. As part of the Wikiproject Tambayan Philippines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tambayan_Philippines) the aim is to highlight and create Philippine-related topics. Filipino Migrant Worker will specifically bring up issues surrounding the worker with a suggested outline as follows: 1. History, 2. Economic Developement (2.1 Remittances) 3. Gender equality (3.1 Labor Rights, 3.2 Women's Role as providers) 4. Migration Policy (4.1 WTO Policies, 4.2 Phillipines Domestic Policies) 5. Returnee Integration 6. Children to Migrant Parents. Please leave your feedbackYogibjorn (talk) 04:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filipino Migrant Worker 

message: A couple things that I would like to comment about, and I do not even know if it really needs to be addressed, or even if you can address it, but under "population" and "economic growth" there is information and research from 2012, and it is newer information, but being that remittances is such a huge part of the Philippines maybe there is a way to get current information from last year. I do not know if it is out yet or obtainable. The other subcategories I would love to see added would be social acceptance of the Philippines remittances or something about how the government encourages remittances, and a subcategory of how gender inequality causes Philippines to leave in the first place. I know that some of this is commented about in the article, but I think that these issues need to have their own categories and can have a lot of information used to bring body and support to this issue.BrendonPorter (talk) 02:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: See . Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:59, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

text: See  and . I don't have time to work on fixing these problems just now. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:34, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: You've taken up the Consequences section to build this article; the structure looks good but the content and the flow of the presentation needs attention.  Even if you were to focus on a few of the relevant course articles, you could present the material more systematically.  There are some opinion sentences (e.g. "International migration will never be perfectly mobile..."?). The references #16-37 need to be prepared from scratch; they have to be full citations and you cannot add a link to Canvas which is a closed website! And you do not need to provide a link to journal articles anyway, only if the data or report is on a website, should you provide the website. You could add more links to other Wikipedia articles. BerikG (talk) 06:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: By "more systematic presentation," I mean the following: Under the "Family" section, one would expect the consequences for family members left behind, the international mothering, family breakdown, consumption levels back home, children's schooling and wellbeing (as in the Beneria, DeParle articles); instead, the first paragraph is talking about working conditions. In this section, you do discuss gender differences in sending back remittances, which is good. Also, there needs to be more systematic discussion and statistics on nurses' migration, care workers' migration from the Philippines (need to integrate a few new sources).BerikG (talk) 06:43, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

text: I used Reflinks to straighten some of that out. See this diff for details. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:14, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Feedback

message: One of the most insensitive things I've read on wikipedia >>> "Despite race relations problems of the late 19th and early 20th centuries in the American Northwest, most Filipino Americans today find it easy to integrate into American society, with a majority belonging to the middle class."
Filipinos (like many people) still suffer discrimination in the US. Yes, its less overt (less lynchings!) but its still a part of the Filipino experience. Many Filipinos are NOT middle class, and if assertions are going to be made regarding this, then they need to be cited. How Filipinos enter the US is very dependent on many factors and often influences their class status upon arriving and how easy it is for them to enter the middle class. Plus the section is lumped in and followed hard upon by the bit about mail order brides, whereupon "mail order brides" are lumped in with women that men meet traveling, etc. aka "direct contact". It would be nice to include numbers regarding men immigrants as well, and also to acknowledge female immigrants who might come here through other reasons. Providing only a sliver of this data is definitely very leading. 
All and all, please lets be mindful of the things we say - do they represent the lived experience of the people we are describing, as supported by evidence? And do they do so respectfully? I think these two questions are important to consider, and were not addressed in this section.
Also, I find it weird that so much attention is being paid to the parts of the article that show the negative impacts of going overseas for work, and so little to weird sections like this which are uncited and provide bizarre, falsely positive ideas of this experience.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.91.69.250 (talk) 04:03, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offensive assertions unsupported by evidence.  

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message: IN this edit, I unscrambled the numbering vs. ordering of region and pop parameters in the wikitext of the infobox according to their parameter names. I then tried to reverify the entry from Region19 (Austria, the first impacted parameter) onwards. I see the following problems:
*Region19 (Austria) cites , a dead link apparently concerned with Papua New Guinea
*Region20 (Papua New Guinea) cited , a source in German apparently having to do with Austria
*Region21 (Germany) cites , a dead link apparently having to do with Brunei
*Region22 (Brunei) cites , a source apparently having to do with Thailand
*Region 23 (Thailand) cites , a dead link apparently having to do with The Netherlands
*etc.
What a mess!!
The infobox clearly needs reworking. I have excised it from the article and moved it into this talk page section in a hidden comment just below here:
start--
--finish The infobox has been moved back to the article for in-place updating there
I may work on this as I have time. I suggest that all entries be reviewed, reverified, and corrected as needed starting from Region1 and proceeding downwards in numerical order, and that work done be logged below as it is done. Can anyone suggest a better approach?
Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox scrambling, unscrambling, and problems