Talk:Kalevala

message: How is pronounced the word Kalevala?--190.22.158.76 (talk) 22:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pronounced with an accent in the first syllabe, "Kálevala", as are all the names of the main characters (Lémminkainen, Ílmarinen, Kúllervo...).Nordisk varg (talk) 21:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does someone know... 

message: Hi there, I'm currently writing a paper alongside creating a piece of art inspired by the Kalevala. There are a few statements made in the article which I'm struggling to find referenced anywhere else. For instance:
"[Elias and the poem collectors] carefully noted the name of the poem singer, its age, the place of performance, and the date."
Where can I verify this statement? Thank you!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.154.230.70 (talk) 13:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  References or links for certain things 

message: This article doesn't nearly meet the criteria for a B-class on an objective level. It doesn't even meet the first listed requirement: "The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations where necessary. It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited.". I am changing the rating of the article to C-class for all 3 projects, which even still is a stretch. Hopefully either I or another editor can clean the article up suitably to get it back into shape for a higher rating eventually. Jesstalk|edits 07:53, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-Class 

message: http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Aino
http://www.behindthename.com/name/seppo-1
http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/htimes/domestic-news/general/1430.html
http://www.kirjastot.fi/fi-FI/tietopalvelu/kysymys.aspx?ID=76c4325d-ac1d-4c27-9ce0-899232881021
4 sites mentioning traditional Finnish names in connection with Kalevala. Thing is, it's not really written anywhere about the link between Kalevala and Finnish names although it is there. Not sure if sites like above are any good, this whole section may not be properly referenceable and may have to go, it's not a big loss, not really even a small loss.
I have also written to the Helsinki university almanac office maybe they have some article I can cite. I don't hold much hope and I've already spent far too much effort on a relatively unimportant part of the article.
--Lakkasuo (talk) 10:36, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Got my answer.--Lakkasuo (talk) 11:48, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence of The Kalevala > Celebration 

message: The article Kalevala (synopses) has been nominated for deletion. So, I guess anyone who has an interest here will also have an interest there and should go and give their t'pence worth.
--Lakkasuo (talk) 18:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomination of [[Kalevala (synopses)]] for deletion 

message: The IPA notation recently got changed. Now, although close mid and open mid are somewhat similar, to me "ˈkɑlɛvɑlɑ" fits more than "ˈkɑlevɑlɑ". I will revert to the old version, but if anyone can shed some light on the matter it would be appreciated as I'm no expert on the inner workings of IPA and all that stuff.
Thanks.
--Lakkasuo (talk) 04:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kalevala IPA notation 

message: In line with the name of the article itself, the work should be referred to as "the Kalevala", not the awkward "The Kalevala". Jpatokal (talk) 09:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What do guidelines say about this sort of thing? If you think it needs changing then change it. I don't know whether to or not. --Lakkasuo (talk) 12:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure the guidelines have anything to say about this...  but my gut feel is that the myths collectively known as "Kalevala" are the primary topic of the article, more so than the publication of the work The Kalevala, so the article (and italics) should not be used unless specifically referring to the book. Jpatokal (talk) 02:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point well made sir.--Lakkasuo (talk) 19:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Kalevala"? 

message: A person called Jussi Huovinen is the last living rune singer of the Kalevala and is very old, 
I think while he is still alive, and being the only living and last person to traditionally receive the Kalevala in an oral fashion deserves some mentioning \ recognition.
there is a webpage regarding him here
and one wiki entry on him which is hardly an entry, here
being the last alive, and the holder of a soon to be dead tradition of the oral Kalevala, 
I think a small mentioning of him being the last of this tradition on the Kalevala entry is indeed worthy, and any other reference to external sources etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.193.143 (talk) 06:33, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The last rune singer of the kalevala 

message: The first paragrapgh states:
"The first version of The Kalevala (called The new Kalevala) was published in 1835."
While in the paragraph about the author we read:
"Prior to the publication of The Kalevala, Elias Lönnrot compiled several related works including the three-part Kantele (1829–1831) the Old Kalevala (1835) and the Kanteletar (1840)."
It would seem logical to me for the first one to be wrong and the other one being right, but can someone please confirm and fix this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.156.157.66 (talk) 05:58, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In the preface of my French edition of the Kalevala by Jean-Louis Perret, there is : "Enfin, le 28 février 1835, paraissait "Kalevala ou les vieilles chansons caréliennes des temps antiques du peuple finnois", which means "Finally, on February 28, 1835, was issued "Kalevala or old Karelian songs of the ancient times of the Finnish people"". There is no mention of a "new" or "old" Kalevala, only the Kantele in 29-31, the Kalevala with its long subtitle in 35, then the Kanteletar, Sananlaskut, and Arvoitukset respectively in 40, 42, and 44. I am removing both the "new" and "old" adjectives as they are not part of the official title (see the original issue).  Xerxes (contact) 16:00, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

text: Actually the only mistake was in the lede section, as "old and new Kalevala" are common titles for the 35 and 49 editions. Still I think we should emphasize the fact that these are not the official titles. Xerxes (contact) 16:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradicting statements in the opening and "Elias Lönnrot" paragraphs 

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message: I saw that "Kalevala" as the title of the work was italicized sometimes but very inconsistently.  As the title of a book it should be italicized throughout.  I did this.  I did not italicize it in quotations, nor in other uses such as "Kalevala metre" or cross-references.
I also saw that it was sometimes called "The Kalevala" and sometimes "the Kalevala", with italics (when used) as "The Kalevala" and "the Kalevala", respectively.  I did not change most of these, though I think The Kalevala is less appropriate because the article is named "Kalevala".  I leave this to others.
I also saw that, in citations, often book titles were quoted, as in "Title", and details were italicized, as in "Author, introduction, p.N (year)", which should be "Title, Author, year, introduction, p.N."  I changed this where I saw it, which is probably not everywhere.
I hope everyone is okay with these edits, which to me seem standard and noncontroversial.  If anyone objects, I suggest not reverting, because there are so many different edits in one batch, including minor edits that improve the style and are not listed here.  Instead, let's discuss them.  Thanks.  Zaslav (talk) 05:00, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: The article mentions "The newest events, e.g. the arrival of Christianity, seem to be from the Iron Age", which would make the majority of users be stunned about how Christianity could have arrived before Jesus. The Iron Age namely ended in most of the world before the Common Era, with few exceptions in parts of Europe, mainly in Northern Europe, which few would know w/o being told or reminded. Therefore I added what is written in the article History of Finland, that in Finland the Iron Age lasted until 1,300 CE. That makes it clear that it's not a mistake or typo. I don't understand why another editor removed it as unnecessary. I am certainly not the only Wiki user who doesn't know that Finland didn't leave the Iron Age for some 1,300 years after what is assumed to be Jesus' lifetime; more likely, I'm part of a majority who's not aware of it. People can be curious about the Kalevala even w/o otherwise having a clue about Finland, for instance thanks to the recent BBC World Service programme about it, which targets mainly non-European English speakers from India, Africa, North America etc. If the issue is that the reader can click around until finding the date - I'm firmly in favour of being user-friendly and placing dates next to events and names, as it helps not disrupting the lecture of the article by constantly clicking back & forth. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 04:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edit makes sense. Initially, to me it seemed an unnecessary and cluttering edit because it is not news to me. To a new reader of this topic, it will be a useful clarification. --Lead holder (talk) 12:42, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iron Age lasting long after Christianisation of most of Europe 

message: Is Tolkien a relevant authority on this? Why does his disagreement deserve its own note? Also, the Note comes before Tolkien is even introduced in the article a few sentences later. A reader would have no idea who "Professor Tolkien" is and whether his disagreement is important.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.157.66.196 (talk) 17:03, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Tolkien's disagreement on Kalevala's national epic status on Note 1 relevant to the article? 

message: Why does the link to the Finnish page land on Robert Stigell rather than the Finnish Kalevala page? It seem to be correctly linked in WikiData. Akerbeltz (talk) 17:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear ,Please could you help us understand exactly which link is in error? I checked the links in the Infobox and they seem to be working fine. Thank you for identifying this problem, and for your assistance.With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 18:10, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure :) So in the left hand menu on a desktop browser, go down to Languages and scroll to Suomi. That link goes to the Finnish page for Robert Stigell, not the page for the Kalevala. Akerbeltz (talk) 12:20, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes; well spotted, ! How very strange... When I clicked on ‘Edit links’ (under that long list of languages), a page opens showing the links to 73 other Wikis; there is a “fiwiki” entry which definitely links to the correct Kalevala page at the Finnish Wiki, but I see no entry with text of either “Suomi” or “Robert Stigell”. Since I have never edited that page before, I will insert the  template at this page and ask for reinforcements. Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention!With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 14:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

text: There was a manual inter-wiki link at the end of the page's markup, which was over-riding the info at WikiData. —Scottyoak2 (talk) 15:32, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you so much for your extremely prompt intervention and fix,  ! I never thought of looking down into the back matter, but will remember to do so next time I come across the same symptom! One learns every day... With kind regards;Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 15:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah mystery solved, thank you :) Akerbeltz (talk) 09:27, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Finnish page 

message: The lead starts
:The Kalevala (, ) is a 19th-century work of epic poetry compiled by Elias Lönnrot from Karelian and Finnish oral folklore and mythology,
Regarding the last four wikilinks,
# Karelian -> Karelian language
# Finnish -> Finnish language
# folklore -> Folklore
# mythology -> Finnish mythology
the first three are rather generic (to articles of a general nature, esp. No. 3), where as No. 4 is to a subject closely allied with the subject of the present article.
The reader can see this using mouse-over (or by clicking the links), but I wonder if there is a way to make it more obvious. Of course, this is a quite general issue with wikilinking; there may be a style manual somewhere with recommandations on this. Any ideas? Nø (talk) 07:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikilinking in first sentence