Talk:Ageing of Europe

message: "Economic polices will not solve the issue that is facing Europe's economy, only a demographic shift will solve the issue."--this is an opinion, not a fact.
There shouldn't be information on Japan and the USA in this article. It's titled 'Aging of Europe'. 84.71.44.94 19:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Israel is often considered part of Europe. The current Israeli government is trying to get Israel to join the European Union. The phenomenon in Europe is often tied to aging in other developed countries, specifically Japan and the United States and the Western world. The Pope's quote is not obscure. Children of Men depicts both the Aging in Europe phenomenon and the Eurabia idea which is directly connected. I've already explained this to you in the past. Please refrain from removing references and referring to edits you dont like as "vandalism". Jose João (talk) 20:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't recall anyone considering Israel part of Europe, let it be _often_. Nor have I never heard of any plans from the Israeli government to join the EU, nor would the EU even want it. The pope quote is just stupid propaganda for the mindless sheeple that still have any respect for the church, and the fact that Europe isn't christian anymore is not relevant to the aging of europe. I don't know if you have ever read "Children of Men", but it details a world where the sperm count of males plummeted to zero, not the aging of Europe. The development of other countries should not be included but they should have their own article, and their articles should be referred to in the "See also" section. I've contacted a mod on your reverting behavior.
84.26.72.127 (talk) 21:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: lol  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.90.135 (talk) 11:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
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message: First of all, excuse me for my english, I am a French guy. But I have a question on this section : your article says that the median age of europeans "will increase from 37.7 years old in 2003 to 52.3 years old by 2050" and then you do a comparison with the USA : "while the median age of Americans will rise to only 35.4 years old." But you don't give the figure of the median age of Americans in 2003, what makes the comparison quite akward. Could you put this information to complete the sentence if you have it ?  Thanks :) 92.134.127.23 (talk) 16:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ageing of Europe#Overall Trends|Overall Trends]] 

message: It is highly incorrect as of 2011. Eastern and especially South-Eastern European countries are by far older than Germany, and Spain is also quite a bit older, probably at a par with Italy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.0.120 (talk) 01:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This picture is based on the CIA world factbook according to the uploader, but nowadays it needs to be updated indeed. At least the information of the Netherlands isn't up to date anymore, we have 17.97% elderly now. This changes rapidly, thus I would propose dating information like this.Wardk (talk) 23:38, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this pic in many shades of red based on? 

message: The article states:
"France will have the largest population in the EU by 2050, with 75 million citizens"
and
"It is expected for the United Kingdom's population to rise to 76.8 million by 2050"
These can't both be true, obviously different sources will have different predictions but contradicting statements within the page looks tatty.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.116.114 (talk) 21:57, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biggest population in the EU by 2050? 

message: This section starts with "Among the reasons frequently cited are the welfare state, feminism and secularism." This appears pulled verbatim from it's source, however the source's full quote immediately says something else: "However, if you look closely at the statistics from various countries, the picture gets quite complex, and there doesn’t appear to be an automatic correlation between low birth rates and any one of these factors." The article goes on to disprove how these factors don't stand alone to explain the causes of population aging.
Furthermore, most of the supporting evidence in the source itself pulls from opinion pieces that do not cite scientific, journalistic or documentary evidence. The argument in this section has poor verifiability.
Bonesnotblobs (talk) 19:55, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have reorganized this section and created three sections for fertility, mortality and migration, as those are the main causes of ageing in population, I have deleted the following paragraph below,since it was missing some sources, and I have re-wrote it and implemented in new sections, removed part is below:
Population ageing in Europe is caused primarily by two factors: declining fertility rates and increased life expectancy. Europe's fertility rates have been less than the 2.1 children per woman (standard) replacement level and are projected to remain below the replacement level in the future. People are living longer with projections of average life expectancy reaching 84.6 years for men and 89.1 for women by 2060, an increase of 7.9 years of life for men and 6.6 years of life for women compared to 2010.
Czajkama (talk) 02:25, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Causes of population ageing" based on plucked quote 

message: There are so many opinion pieces and unsourced "facts" in this article that it is just silly.
The "Consequences of the aging of Europe" is just flat out POV and one of the factoids says that Scandinavia has the highest birth rate in Europe...but than further down the page it says the highest fertility rate is France followed by the UK.
The hell is going on?
Mishka Shaw (talk) 09:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources seem to contradict all your claims. Did you read them? 128.187.97.24 (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
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message: I would like to make some edits to the countries listed, there is still many missing and I am planning to add Greece and Sweden as these are in the top 10 countries with the highest percentages with aging populations. I think some edits to the existing countries are also necessary, for example France only talks about the fertility rates, there is no mention on the population over 65.
I am still looking for good sources, so I am open if you have any suggestions and now good reliable sources, I've listed below what I have found and plan on using for my edits:
United Nations, Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Population Division (2017). World Population Ageing
2017' (ST/ESA/SER.A/408)
Over 27 million people aged 80 and over in the EU. (2017, September 30). Retrieved March 14, 2018, from http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/-/EDN-20170930-1
Population structure and ageing. (2017, June). Retrieved March 14, 2018, from http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Population_structure_and_ageing#Further_Eurostat_information
Weeks, J. R. (2016). Population: an introduction to concepts and issues. Boston, MA: Cengage Learning.
Thanks Czajkama (talk) 20:31, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added population pyramids for 2016 for each of the countries, as well as information regarding the percentage of population over 60 years old in 2017, and the projections for 2050 Czajkama (talk) 02:39, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Countries