Talk:Action film

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thread_title: References to use

message: :File:Sonny Chiba The Street Fighter.JPG was removed from this article because it either does not have a Non-free use rationale or there are problems with the existing rationale. Please see Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria for the applicable policy and Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline for how to fix the problem. If further input or help is needed, questions can be directed towards Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, the help desk or my talk page. Thank you. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-free file problem

message: I have attempted to remove grammatical issues in the portion of the article that explains the history of the action film. There are many cases where sentences could be compressed and words could be eliminated, and I have tried to do this for clarity.
I'm not going to alter the overall narrative of the history of the action film, although I do have some problems with the way it is presented here. It seems that the author(s) are using their personal knowledge of action films but are not providing the proper references to back up their claims.RoyalBlue43 (talk) 00:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatical and stylistic problems with the article 

message: In an effort to contribute to the clean-up effort, I have removed two sizable sections including lists of the "top ten" action films and actors.  Though clearly made in good faith, these lists were based upon somewhat subjective information; a single IMDB link alone for each section is an insufficient reference, and a "top" anything that cannot be quantified is inherently un-encyclopedic.  "Top-ten grossing films" would be okay (though probably not necessary in this article), but "top-ten" alone is not.  Please discuss any other changes before implementing them.  --Jackson Peebles (talk) 04:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Top Ten Lists 

message: I've removed sections of sub-genres that either 
* didn't have sources
* stated information that was not in their sources at all.
I don't believe they should be re-added without sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The recent additions to these sections again state information that is not in the source. The action adventure genre is pulled from this and does not state what is written here at all. Same with the action-drama sources here, this one is referring to television genres, not film, this is no appropriate so I'll have them removed. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Looking at that page, it still says what is stated in the previous source, which was not stated at all on your source. This authors definition seems to be nearly the same as the action thriller definition item as well. Which would look weird on the page. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , please comment. Let's come to a consensus that allows redirects like action drama film and action adventure film to remain undeleted and correctly targeting anywhere without being broken redirects. Kailash29792 (talk)  14:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Thank you 2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:6D74:7E53:B048:55D6 for restoring those sections. Now please add more sources to the films mentioned under Action -horror. Kailash29792 (talk)  15:14, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do tomorrow when I'm a little freer. 2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:6D74:7E53:B048:55D6 (talk) 15:17, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've re-removed them as the current sources and content re-added was not backed up by their source. I'm happy for re-adding them, but I can't think of any instance when you should be re-adding them with sources that do not reflect the content. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , did you read mine and 77Survivor's comments? Also, did you read this source I had added? Page 174 says, "Action-adventure films were among the most popular movies of the 1980s. The three Indiana Jones films, starring Harrison Ford, are the archetype of this genre, in which the male hero performs remarkable feats that require bravery and skill throughout a fast-paced 90-minute struggle with an evil villain. The hero ultimately emerges triumphant after several close calls, defeating the villain, saving the day, and usually winning the affection of the female lead. One version of this genre places the hero in faraway, exotic lands, making the villains and the action more unpredictable." Taking info from that, I wrote the section which you mercilessly reverted, saying it does not match the source. Kailash29792 (talk)  15:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I must have made a mistake. I was distracted that all the other content re-added without a source (or sources that didn't match their content). I am confused how they say "one version of this genre" which does not sound like a really strong argument of what the genre is about. Also, is this genre more related to adventure films, or more related to action films? They seem to go on about it also belonging to the Vietnam War genre style, but then list things like Rush Hour which seem to contradict what the style of the genre is. I apologize though, it was a mistake on my part. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:04, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub genres

message: Some time in maybe the mid 80s A writer from the northern US was discussing with my girlfriend an article he was writing about the genre. He was having a problem with what to call the genre. My girlfriend, having previously discussed our preferences in movies where I told her I preferred more action than she did, called me into the conversation asking what the genre of movies like "Rambo" was called. I did not know but made up the term "action movie". Both her, and the writer literally burst in recognition of the appropriateness of the term. Shortly after that the term was widely used in publication. I say this for anyone who wants to research the coinage of the term to look in northern US publications mid 1980s for origin of the term. 
98.164.71.229 (talk) 06:43, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coinage of the term 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Action film's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "lim":
From Vigilante film: 
From Taxi Driver: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:24, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Action film]] 

message: — Assignment last updated by Mlclark1 (talk) 13:22, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Information Literacy and Scholarly Discourse

message: — Assignment last updated by Atufail (talk) 01:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Information Literacy and Scholarly Discourse

message: — Assignment last updated by Dsackey (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Information Literacy and Scholarly Discourse

message: So....I re-wrote the entire article. I've been slowly trying to clean up articles on film genres (see Horror film, Thriller film, Mystery film, etc.) Most of this was unsourced or just did not have any real clear information (citing IMDb, citing nothing, having a history section just be a list of popular films with little context to the a history). I've basically tried to make it stick to scholarly information and publications and cleaned out fillers on actors, etc. It needs some expansion still, but I would appreciate some checking in on this. 
My main issues with my own re-write:
* It's very Hollywood centric, which I think is fine for now, we can build on it like I have in the horror film section on regional areas.
* Action history kind of cuts off around 2010. There is a new book Yvonne coming out this year which covers the 21st century action film.
* Some weird issues: Is a martial arts film a sub-genre of the action film? They exist before the contemporary understanding of what action cinema exists, so I don't think it would be 100% correct to call it that. 
* I've removed most of the hybrid genres which just all politely say "science fiction action is action and science together. action horror is action and horror together." These are all kind of...useless and felt as embarrassing as these films can be ;)
I look forward to anyone's response on this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 06:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I just wish you hadn't deleted insightful sources such as this and this. Kailash29792 (talk)  09:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing's deleted. It's all accessable via the article history. But I'll be honest, I don't see the The Flickering Myth as being a strong source. It honestly appears to be a blog? Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: First, let me just say that any effort in cleaning up these genre articles is greatly appreciated! I think a lot of editors in the film project get bogged down with other tasks, so much so that these articles tend to fall by the wayside.Flickering Myth is a blog site, but it is self-proclaimed as one of UK's "most influential" (at least at one time, but is that still true?). The site also appears to be run by subject matter experts as well. However, the site's presentation is sub-par IMO and gives off unprofessional vibes. I wouldn't mind if it's cited sparingly, but for any strong claims, I think it's best used as a complementary source only. My 2¢ --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! This one has been the most fun to do some research and reading on so far. There citations seem relatively not in-depth (the action horror one reads like a fanzine, there is almost no insight whatsoever.) I do recall the phrase arthouse action being tossed around, but I think it needs more critical depth than the other citation also currently has. On googling, i'm just surrounded by listicals which barely register. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-write 

message: On trying to look up serious journalism on the topic, I've come up empty-handed. This sub-genre is mostly from a blog, with no real industry observation. It appears to be just used amongst enthusiastic bloggers irregularly and with no cohesion to what constitutes the genre. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:54, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I nominate to keep this article as it is Espngeek (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't really address that there is no real serious journalism or critical analysis of what the genre is. Could you provide some ? Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Define "serious journalism" in order for this article to merge Espngeek (talk) 03:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Like, non-blogs or listicles that can discuss the genre. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we merge this article already? Espngeek (talk) 15:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I would generally just have this re-direct at this moment. The list generally does not state the genre claimed for most films. We'd still need a better citation for the genre lead, but if you are comfortable, I'm happy to do that. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Going to go ahead and move it as there hasn't been any real discussion beyond this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:30, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Arthouse action film]] into [[Action film]] 

message: I've removed a recent addition of sub-genres. Without context or real unique specifics, I think the hybrid genre section covers basically what would be expected. They are hybrids and are used in different contexts depending on who is calling it that. Trying to define them won't agree with anyone. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub-genre removal