Talk:Bernhard, Margrave of Baden

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In my opinion, this article should follow the common practice as most articles on persons following WP:COMMONNAME: While the article name is the common name, which is sensible, in the article intro the official name should be used, followed by an explanation of the common name. --Theoreticalmawi (talk) 07:33, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What is his official last name though? Erbprinz von Baden, Prinz von Baden, Prinz und Markgraf von Baden etc. Articles on royals usually start with the article name, eg Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland rather than starting Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte - dwc lr (talk) 12:20, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: His full name is Bernhard Max Friedrich August Gustav Louis Kraft Prinz von Baden. His last name is Prinz von Baden, which should be listed as family name in his id card. Since there has been no royalty in Germany since 1919, and since descendants were only allowed to transfer titles into their last name, translating any part of that to other languages is silly. (German nobility has some background.) After all, nobody ever translated Helmut Schmidt to Helmut Smith, either. But some people keep using imaginary titles and styles, out of tradition, nostalgia, ignorance, and so on, especially Germany's yellow press loves to keep this alive because it's a major part of their reporting.--176.199.18.119 (talk) 15:10, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The title of cadets in the House of Baden is/was Prince/Princess and Margrave/Margravine of Baden. My point is we don’t know what his passport or ID card says, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility he could of even been registered with the last name of Erbprinz von Baden. We could only speculate and make assumptions about what his legal last name actually is. - dwc lr (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: He appears in official documents as "Prinz und Markgraf of Baden, Herzog von Zähringen" like here:  If you are in doubt you could possible send a request to the responsible Einwohnermeldeamt in Germany to get in confirmed. Another trustworthy secondary source is:  --Theoreticalmawi (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have left the name with the English translation as is done with other German pretenders but added a footnote explaining the legal title with the source. --Richiepip (talk) 15:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name in the intro of the article 

message: Please see WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:CRYSTALBALL. Article can be moved when sources are provided. Theoreticalmawi (talk) 21:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  article name 

message: The name should follow the sources. The sources use the name without a comma. Therfore please provide sources with comma. I started this section as my change got reverted multiple times for arbitrary reason and to avoid any edit war I give the possibility to discuss. If no sources can be provided, I will correct the article name to the form used in sources. -- Theoreticalmawi (talk) 21:43, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  comma in name 

message: In accordance to Talk:Franz_Wilhelm_Prinz_von_Preussen#Requested_move_6_December_2022 I propose to move the article. Is anyone against this? -- Theoreticalmawi (talk) 12:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest Bernhard Markgraf von Meissen to keep consitence through the Wikipedia, but also prefering a short version against the very long legal surname. Theoreticalmawi (talk) 12:51, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: I object to the synopsis of the above discussion talking about a "consensus". There is no such consensus. There is factually no living person who bears the title "Margrave of Baden", or name of "Margrave of Baden". In particular, the person referenced to here as "Bernard, Margrave of Baden" is both legally, and commonly named "Bernhard Markgraf von Baden" and nothing else, and that is the one exclusively correct title for an article about him. -- Seelefant (talk) 13:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Consensus" 

message: With the attention he is getting from the state visit to Germany and the coronation, we should be aware of how he is being referred to. The sources I am now stumbling across refer to him in some form of "prince". As I don't want to start a move request right away, I just want to start collecting references to get an overview of how he is being referred to.
Prince Baden Bernhard
Hereditary Prince of Baden
Margrave of Baden
Prince Bernhard of Baden
Theoreticalmawi (talk) 12:55, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  note on established name