Talk:Critique of the Kantian philosophy

message: I've removed the top-level category here, and replaced it with :category:Philosophical arguments. Someone with more experience in this area might wish to consider what other cats the article should involve. Banno 03:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
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message: Needs an "In popular culture" section  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.130.37.13 (talk) 05:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why?Lestrade (talk) 12:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: Why "Schopenhauer's criticism of the Kantian philosophy"? Would "Schopenhauer's criticism of Kantian philosophy" be better? Or maybe "Schopenhauer's criticism of Immanuel Kant"? The current title sounds odd. Srnec (talk) 04:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The appendix to Volume I of Schopenhauer's main work was given the title Criticism of the Kantian Philosophy.Lestrade (talk) 03:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's ask the man himself. In his letter to Francis Haywood on December 21, 1829, Schopenhauer wrote: "…I grafted onto his [Kant's] my own system which appeared 1819, bearing the title 'Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung' — to this belongs a long appendix containing 'Critic of the Kantian philosophy' …." This was written in Schopenhauer's own English, not in German.Lestrade (talk) 19:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see that Srnec has moved it as he thought correct. If you move it back, as I understand your reasoning I think it should be Criticism not criticism, perhaps even Critic as we are not merely referring to Shopenhauer's act of criticizing Kant's philosophy, but specifically to his appendix called Critic of the Kantian philosophy. Perhaps simply Critic of the Kantian Philosophy would be even better I think. I am not being bold with the move to Crcitic of the Kantian Philosophy as it seems like something many people may object to. Wwmargera (talk) 11:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, screw that. I am moving it. Please move back if you object, etc. Wwmargera (talk) 11:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I vote that it stays as it is now (critic of the) 94.195.129.111 (talk) 15:31, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

text: There have been many critiques of Kant's philosophy. In the first few decades, there were critiques or criticisms by empricists, rationalists, and idealists. Since then, there have been a great number of criticisms. This article, however, is supposed to reference only one criticism. It is the criticism that Schopenhauer attached as an appendix to the first volume of his major work. The title of this article should reflect this specific reference. When the article was first created, its title was Criticism of the Kantian philosophy (Schopenhauer). This original title follows the title as printed in Payne's English translation and also indicates that Schopenhauer was the author, not Garve, Jacobi, Reinhold, Schulze, Maimon, Strawson, Ayer, Lewis, Nietzsche, Peirce or any of the other many writers who critiqued Kant's philosophy.Lestrade (talk) 02:25, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
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message: As a reader of both Kant and Schopenhauer, I came across this article which is, I note, entirely devoted to Schopenhauer's criticisms of Kant. I think if it were straightforwardly titled 'Schopenhauer's criticisms of Kant', it might seem a bit esoteric for Wiki, but that's really all that is going on, here. Every major philosopher since Kant, and this is probably utterly without exception, has his criticisms of Kant. I don't think that Schopenhauer's particular criticisms have been massively influential. In the end, Schopenhauer counts himself as a Kantian, so in the larger landscape, his criticisms are going to look like quibbles, this is for example, I think, true of mainstream Anglo-American Analytic philosophy. Frege and Russell, foundational figures here, both had their criticisms of Kant, but that's quite a different discussion. 
Also, even if we insist on a Wiki article detailing Schopenhauer's criticisms of Kant, there's more of Schopenhauer's criticisms of Kant. Such as, his view of the Kantian antimonies, Schopenhauer took these to be sophistry, he rejected all four of them, in a similar fashion, by embracing the antithesis, and rejecting the thesis. Kant's antimonies have attracted a fair amount of attention, and Schopenhauer's view is a minority view indeed, even among those who reject Kant's antimonies. The Wiki article on Kant's antimonies doesn't even mention Shopenhauer, which I can understand. One can always discuss Schopenhauer under 'Schopenhauer'. 
Now, I find Schopenhauer interesting. I'm just quite confident, that the only relevance that this article can have, at least currently, will be for those who find Schopenhauer interesting. And even if they do, there's little effort to reply on Kant's behalf, to these criticisms. The article could be developed further in this direction, though again, I'm not sure if just any- and everything, such as this, falls under wikipedia's scope. I guess it can't hurt, but the article's title is still misleading.
DanLanglois (talk) 02:50, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Taking “dubious” to mean “causing doubt and uncertainty,” what is it about the article that raises doubt and uncertainty in your mind? You are absolutely correct about the article’s title. The article is supposed to be specifically about Schopenhauer’s criticism of the Kantian philosophy, published as an appendix to Schopenhauer’s main work. It is not supposed to be an article about other people’s criticism of Kant’s works. Please note my statement, shown above, dated 29 December 2010. At one time, briefly, the title was “Schopenhauer’s criticism of the Kantian philosophy,” but Schopenhauer’s name was quickly omitted. By the way, Schopenhauer’s criticism of Kant’s antinomies is included in the “Ideas of reason” section.Lestrade (talk) 17:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, the issue of the antimonies is mentioned here, which I had neglected. Actually, I rather like my summary, though --Schopenhauer rejected all of them as antimonies, always because he rejected the thesis, while embracing the antithesis. Currently the article mentions this and that antimomy, without giving this big picture. DanLanglois (talk) 13:35, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  I find this article perhaps dubious, though not especially for its content, as far as that goes.. 

message: The article on Kantian Ethics cites NCSU's Dr. Tom Regan's  critique of Kant's categorical dismissal of animals' claims to moral reverence:
Animal ethics
:Because Kant viewed rationality as the basis for being a moral patient—one due moral consideration—he believed that animals have no moral rights. Animals, according to Kant, are not rational, thus one cannot behave immorally towards them.  Although he did not believe we have any duties towards animals, Kant did believe being cruel to them was wrong because our behaviour might influence our attitudes towards human beings: if we become accustomed to harming animals, then we are more likely to see harming humans as acceptable.
:Ethicist Tom Regan rejects Kant's assessment of the moral worth of animals on three main points: First, he rejects Kant's claim that animals are not self-conscious. He then challenges Kant's claim that animals have no intrinsic moral worth because they cannot make moral judgement. Regan argues that, if a being's moral worth is determined by its ability to make a moral judgement, then we must regard humans who are incapable of moral thought as being equally undue moral consideration. Regan finally argues that Kant's assertion that animals exist merely as a means to an ends is unsupported; the fact that animals have a life that can go well or badly suggests that, like humans, they have their own ends.
I think we should have a few lines on this specific criticism, which I think is grounded in observation, not imputation. MaynardClark (talk) 00:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Tom Regan's critique of Kant's categorical dismissal of animals' claims to moral reverence