Talk:2006 Atlantic hurricane season/Archive 9

message: This article once said Gordon was category #3, but then it changed to #2. What happened?? Georgia guy 14:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It weakened.  It is moving over colder waters.--Holderca1 14:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly is the policy on that by the way?  Do we change the cat to reflect the current status while the storm is active, and then change to its max category once it dissipates? -Runningonbrains 14:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is correct.  The infobox used while it is current says current storm imformation.  It would be confusing and misleading if it said category 5, but the wind speeds said 75 mph.  Once the storm is gone, the infobox changes and max cat is used.  --Holderca1 14:45, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah. The current intensity is used on ; then, when we switch it to  after the storm dissipates, we use the peak intensity, in max. sustained winds and min. atmospheric pressure. Titoxd(?!?) 17:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that isn't fully true; I've always followed the practice of keeping the name in the infobox at its highest (e.g., calling it "Hurricane Ernesto" - but only in the infobox - even while Ernesto is a TS). I think that was used in the past. – Chacor 17:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gordon's category 

message: The ACE has passed 66 so this season is sure to qualify as (at least) 'Near normal'.--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 08:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which makes Ivan's ACE of 70.4 all the more impressive.  We still haven't reached it through 10 storms, which even includes a few Cape Verde hurricanes.  --Holderca1 15:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another reminder of how unbelievably insane the past two years have been. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 04:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thiis is strange: Before Florence, Gordon, Helene and possibly Issac formed, Ernesto was the biggest ACE holder of the season at 5.17, but since then we've had 3 storms with an ACE of 10+.HurricaneCraze32 aka Mitchazenia 19:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A small landmark 

message: The National Climatic Data Center now has storm event reports up to July 31, 2006. The Alberto article should be adjusted accordingly, as there are now damage totals (around $400,000). There's no reports on Beryl, so that does not need to be updated. Hurricanehink (talk) 18:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were able to assess for such a small number? CrazyC83 00:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I bet the WFOs involved were able to assess it, if there is a number listed.  Remember, the NCDC data is reported by the WFOs involved.  NHC estimates are just insurance claims doubled.  Thegreatdr 00:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa, hang on a minute. We're talking just deaths and damages right; the Butcher's Bill? Nothing else from NCDC would be official since they aren't the hurricane specialists. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 04:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't trust the offices that actually report the relevent data to NHC, for their use, then you don't understand how the whole process works within the NWS.  WFO data, which is archived by NCDC in various ways, is also the primary NHC source for storm reports, not the other way around.  The NWS works as a team, which includes the national centers.  No national center can do its job without the work of the WFOs, which includes the collection of data and the maintenance of the COOP and first order reporting sites.  Calling NCDC (the official NWS archivists) unofficial would be like considering the Library of Congress and the National Archives an unofficial source for information for the United States.  Thegreatdr 01:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NCDC updates 

message: What will happen if the NHC uses up all of the greek names? Do they resort to the military alphabet, barrow names from other basins or make up the names themselves if that happens. Storm05 13:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if they have considered that, but given that a season that got that far (> 45 (21 normal +24 greek) storms) would be even more beyond the 2005 year than the 2005 year was beyond the any other recorded year since at least 1950, it is unlikely to be a problem. Naraht 13:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It may very well become a problem, say, when the next hurricane peak hits 30 years from now.  The NHC has stated that greek names can be retired, so the list of greek names could concievably shrink over time, if we keep having 2005-like years! (This is all assuming they don't change the naming system in the near future) -Runningonbrains 15:23, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There has never been 46 named storms in even the Western Pacific, so that is quite an extreme thought... CrazyC83 15:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well 39 is pretty close, but you do have a point. Runningonbrains, I prefer to keep my glass half full rather than half empty. Concievably, you and I and the rest of the world could be vaporized by a giant asteroid in the next hour, but you don't see too many people walking around in sandwich boards that read "The end is near". So let's try to avoid apocalyptic thoughts. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 23:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case that we get more than 45 hurricanes, the last thought on everyone's mind will be what to call the hurricanes. Reub2000 06:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ^ now that's a more reasonable statement. -tcwd 22:32, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: http://typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu/forecasts/2006/oct2006/
Calls for 2 named storms and 1 more hurricane this season, totalling 11/6/2. – Chacor 16:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CSU October 

message: How come we refer to storms in the Atlantic by just their number, while in other basins, we use a letter and a number? We have A, W, E, S, and P. The correct letter for Atlanitc storms is L, right? I had a heckofa time trying to figure out what to call storms in the Southern Hemisphere seasonal page. I gave up a few times until I decided to ignore the ones with F and R (Fiji and La Reunion). JTWC doesn't assign those (or they don't use them at least). The point is, isn't it more correct to use the number followed by the letter L for unnamed Atlantic storms? Good kitty 17:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We use the official NHC name, which doesn't include the "L". (E.g., Isaac as a depression was AL092006 Tropical Depression NINE) – Chacor 17:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Follow-up to myself: To be fair, the NHC doesn't add -E to their model runs for EPac storms, although they do add -E for their advisories. – Chacor 04:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Realistically, to avoid POV problems, it wouldn't be a bad thing to call, for example, T.D. #9 in the Atlantic T.D. 9L.  However, outside the ATCF numbering in the compute data and related NRL links, there are no advisories that state this designation.  My guess is, if you wanted to add an L, you'd run into problems due to this fact.  Thegreatdr 19:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assigned numbers 

message: Why is it that the new storms on the 2006 season article have track maps that don't include the extratropical portion of the track? The maps for :Image:Alberto_2006_track.png, and  :Image:Beryl_2006_track.png have the extratropical portion of the track, but :Image:Ernesto_2006_track.png, :Image:Florence_2006_track.png, :Image:Gordon_2006_track.png, :Image:Helene_2006_track.png, and :Image:Isaac_2006_track.png don't. Is anyone going to add the extratropical portion later, or is it just going to remain this way? Personally, I don't think tropical storms dissipate when they become extratropical, they just lose their tropical characteristics. On the Storm Articles, the Information box which displayes the max. winds, lowest pressure, etc, usually says a storm dissipates when it becomes extratropical. This is not fully true. Tropical storms can strengthen when they become extratropical, and can still do a lot of damage. So why ignore a storm when it's still dangerous? P.S. Sorry if i took up too much space on the talk page, I wasn't sure how to just post the link instead of the whole image. (someone fixed that, thanks) AstroHurricane001 21:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The older stoms have a "best track" released by the NHC from their post-storm analyses, which includes positions while the storm was extratropical.  Wikipedia has a No Original Research policy, so we cannot add the extratropical positions until they are specified by the NHC, which is the ultimate authority on these matters. Once the Tropical Cyclone Reports on the other storms are released, those positions will be added to their respective maps. -Runningonbrains 23:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In reply to the second part of that question, there has been discussion about the exact wording of "dissipated" in the infobox. What is certain is that pressure and max winds always use the tropical value; if one is available the extratropical value is sometimes included in parenthesis. And as far as I know, all deaths and damage (regardless of tropicality) currently counts in the totals. – Chacor 03:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, the HPC did release advisories on extratropical Ernesto. – Chacor 03:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the Extratropical Transition