Talk:Kurdistan/Archive 6

message: The claims are merely political and a problem of POV. There are Turkish citizens living as much as Kurd originated Turks. Everyone can see that the progress going on in the northern Iraq is due to natural sources of the area, it is explicit! 
İf a comparison is made for the situation, the problem of Cyprus sould be considered as the Turkish Cypriots claimed a free and offical state in Cyprus which is not recognized by many countries on contrary of an imaginary Kurdland. However Turkish C. inhabitated Cyprus and they got their country by force and draw the border, thus no one can claim the area invaded should be given back as the area has always been Turkish Cypriot. But Kudish area is something different, so called Kurdistan doen not exists, they are mostly Turkish or Iraqi citizens! So why USA still fond of an independant state in N.Iraq and S.W Turkey? Petroleum is the simple answer. As not so they sould have accepted the N.Cyprius. What is going on in Iraq and in N.Iraq is not LEGAL and it is a crime! Check out Leo Strauss(85.102.61.61 10:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kurdistan does not claim to be a country unlike Northern Cyprus, Nagro-karabagh, Sealand and etc. Kurdistan is to be treated as a mere geographic region. --Cat out 16:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: If you have evidence, do not hold back.  But that region is not recognized as an independent country at all. Korrybean 00:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah...I know.  Sign your comments using four tildes please. Korrybean 01:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mere Propoganda 

message: The 1820 world map is not a very convincing picture. It shows various countries, administrative subdivisions and regions. However, nothing is well-defined; Kurdistan is not given any real boundaries, just like the territories in North and Western Canada. I'd advocate replacing this map with a new one illustrating the intent behind the Treaty of Sevres. Hugo Dufort 05:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we are better of with fewer maps. Some of them dont even seem to be relevant. We do not need every pd map about the general region (some of these are world maps anyways) --Cat out 03:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with that. Having no map is better than having an unconvincing (or unfocused) map. Hugo Dufort 17:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree with that. The aim is to give comprehensive information based on reliable sources. E104421 07:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The 1820 map

message: Why was the history section removed from the article, you can't just remove portions of articles without explanation. 
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replies: text: Because it is rendudnent on this article. There is a "History of The Kurdish people" (or a similar titled article). This article is expected to give a brief intor to the regional history of the most relevant issues such as world war 1. --Cat out 16:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Kurdistan 

message: This article contains a lot of propaganda. All the nations of the middle east knows that the kurds have never been a nation, never had a such thing as a kingdom in the middle east, neither did the name kurd appear before christ, their name appeared in history about 1100 after death. If you believe this or not is up to you but we from the middle east knows the truth about the . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.216.185.79 (talk) 09:26 30 October 2006
**It shows how educated you are, “we knows”. You need evidence to back up that statement. You sound like a Turk, the history of the Turks in the Middle East starts about 900 years ago around 1100 C.E. Up in till the late 11th century your people were known as Gypsies among the Kurds, because of your migrations to the region. I can go on and make more racists remarks about your people, but I won’t waste web space with that and I suggest you don’t waste web space with your rubbish either and next time sign your posts.  --D.Kurdistani 05:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Until the 19th century.  hm...so none of those Greeks heard about Fall of Constantiople in 15th century or the Capture of Athens in 16th?  I apoligize for this persons (unsigned one's) comments, but you show complete ignorance Kurdistani. Korrybean 22:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Truth 

message: The Iraqi Kurdistan region and Kurdistan Province in Iran are officially acknowledged parts of Kurdistan. Officially acknowledged by who?
Musungu jim 22:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I added a 'citation needed', which at least is indisputable. 66.92.53.49 04:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Official Kurdistan' 

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Khorshid 13:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Template: was considered for deletion on 2006 November 18. The result of the discussion was Keep.  --D.Kurdistani 06:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Kurds}} 

message: Khoikhoi: What's up with the reversions?  Perhaps we can discuss them here.  My concern is you are reverting hard work by several people without an explanation, but I'm sure you have valuable input to include in the article.  As described on here, try improving the article, and please offer an reason for edits. Or, as you say above, Wikipedia is a collaborative exercise. It's not "every man for himself". We work together to build consensus on issues. Guanxi 19:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted because the "status of Kurdistan" section is unecessary. Please provide sources that such a debate exists. Virtually everyone recognizes Kurdistan as a region—even the Kurds don't say it's a country. Also, why is it necessary to say "not existing as a country" in the infobox? Is there anyone that claims it's a country? Khoikhoi 19:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think we should definitely discuss it then (which I will in my next comment).  I don't think simply reverting it, along with several other people's work, without comment is the best way to deal with it, and is in fact against Wikipedia's policies. Even if you don't agree with that section, why revert everyone else's work?  Also, improve the section, do n't delete it. Guanxi 19:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Having friends (or aliases) reverting it (after your hint on my talk page about the 3 reversion rule) does not address the issue. Please address my comments above.Guanxi 20:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khoikhoi reversions 

message: I removed the last sentence, because it incorrectly stated that Kurds and Assyrians have adopted Arabic culture. Assyrians in general are culturally, and ethnically distinct from Arabs. In addition, Kurdish culture is very distinct from Arabic culture, is it not?--Šarukinu 05:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, of course it is. But obviously Assyrians, Kurds and Arabs have cultural elements which are same or similar. Ozgur Gerilla 19:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that they have similar elements, but that is not to say that those elements were necessarily adopted from the Arab culture.Šarukinu 22:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change made to the section: "People" 

message: I've had it with these random users vandalizing the page. It should be semi-protected. ~~Eugene2x Sign here ☺  ~~ 19:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Your maps are wrong.You all know.There is no amet.Diyarbakır is a Turkish city.You cannot change the truth.I hope, may god show you the right way.You couldn't divide Turkey and won't be able to do that.We have been living there since 1071 and will live until life is over.Bonafide
And Kurds have been living in Anatolia since 2500 BC or later so show some respect and let us put this down to history. The word Diyarbakir is not Turkish it's in Arabic but Amed was once the name of the city, so it has to be mentioned for the sake of History. Don't worry words don't divide a country. Ozgur Gerilla 18:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps 

message: I would like to create a page that talks about sports and kurds. A page that talks about some of the currnet Kurdish-based teams like Arbil FC, athletes like Hawar Mulla Mohammed, etc. But I dont know what would be a NPOV title for this page. We can't have Sports in Kurdistan like the way Sports in Armenia is, so then what should be the title? Chaldean 16:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Use the relevant country. If the team is inside Iraq, it is an Iraqi team. There is no reason to create unnecessary controversy. -- Cat chi? 08:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Sports in Kurdistan" "Kurdish athletes" "Kurdish sports"

message: ZAZALÄNDER: Sory bud this Map(Karte) is not Correktly, I am one Zaza not Kurdo and my Land is ZAZALAND and not kurdistan..
whay say the kurd to may contry´kurdistan ?
:I have tried to expalin this in the past that these maps posted even by respected sources (usually military) are simply false. The area is FAR more diverse then the map shows it to be. Many Zazas dont want to do anything with Kurds and this is shown in the community . And the same can be said about Yezidis as well, check out recent events with them. Their is a fine line between who considers themselves Kurds and who doesn't. And not to mention the map always ignores the presence of Assyrians, Arabs, Shabaks, and Iraqi Turkmen. Chaldean 15:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your cheap (unofficial, personal thus non-objective and poor designed) websites unfortunately cannot be the source of your virtual argument. Practically, in this issue, we face a contradition to what you're saying; that most Zaza think that they are Iranians and are Kurdish. Not only Kurdish but consider themselves as the "best of Kurds" if you look deep in the history and do a "proper" research this could be clear to you too. Take for instance the Dersim rebellion and other Kurdish uprising and see the position of Zazas in the Kurdish struggle. Özgūr Talk  Hist  00:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ZAZA 

message: According to this source , Kurdistan is not part of Iranian plateau. So I removed the category.Heja Helweda 23:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Britannica, "Most Kurds live in a mountainous region of the Iranian Plateau called Kurdistan, an area where Turkey meets Iran, Syria, and Iraq." Khoikhoi 23:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iranian plateau 

message: Remove map this article! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by StANDby007 (talk • contribs) 11:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change Map!