Talk:Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet

message: Mholyoke 15:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: spot on! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.246.204.98 (talk • contribs) 10:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: I propose  the insertion of a new subsection which includes the phrases ""There's one thing I know For he loves me so" and a reference to the hymn it is from and "never failed me yet" and its source hymn. To avoid the whiff of original research one can simply mention their existence-No ? to not do so seems remiss--— Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 16:10, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure on this. Generally I don't think it would be a good precedent to set to add "Similar works" sections to music articles based on other works containing the same words or phrases - there appears to be a trend these days against the inclusion of trivia, and unless there are reliable sources to connect those other hymns to this song, I think it would be considered trivia. But if there is an argument that it is more than coincidence, I think the "There's one thing I know For he loves me so" is the only one of the two that would hold water - the phrase "never failed me yet" is too short and too general -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: This needs to be sourced. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I think it is clear from the sourced quote that Bryars recorded his own tape loops in 1971. But music articles generally don't record when artists first made personal recordings of parts of their compositions - they note the dates of commercial recordings, and we have no evidence of a commercial recording before the 1975 Obscure recording. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops possibly  on the hymn wording[]  per more reliable looking  reference the phrase is NOT exactly  the same in this record of it -Mea Culpa. 
I still maintain the composing/recording data on the page is unclear and confusing the-  1971 data  one  should SAY recording and  composition  and the 1975 one should SAY first commercial or retail or something similar. 
I have written to Bryars to try to get to the bottom of the original hymn mystery and several other questions -if we are already  accepting in the article  his personal website as gospel...... if  that counts as original research I can always get him to bung it on his website -is that data laundering ? What do you think about a section to mention the short story based on the song ? --— Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 19:43, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: The singer's name is not known, it was a random field recording. Ceoil 21:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet Bryars knew that the man(unverified that it was a man ? :) ) had died between the recording of the singing and the assembly of  the composite-that argues  against  the "random field theory"--— Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 03:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The unknown singer was unknown to the other tramps, he kept for himself. When Bryars et al. came back (after the record's success?) and asked for him he was simply gone, supposedly dead (it's indeed a rough life). This I remember from a radio documentary sometime in 80's/90's. Thus he was difficult to trace. 90.132.45.102 (talk) 10:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Well, we don't actually have a reliable source that says a recording of the work itself was made in 1971 - all we really know is that Bryars recorded tape loops in 1971, but those were components of it and were not the whole work itself. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Oh, and just another thought - I think it's very unlikely that the tramp would have a grave. People only get graves if there is someone to pay for them, otherwise they're just cremated and thrown away. And if nobody knew his name at the time, nobody is going to know now -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope that London Borough Council will prove kinder than you envisage--— Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 03:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  phrases in other hymns that are reproduced in this song  

message: I propose to add:
In 1981, choregrapher Maguy Marin used the piece as the score for her Beckett-inspired work May B  .
By the way, is versions an appropriate name for listing works using this music? 
Should we list these in a separate section?
More reference information:
* May B aujourd’hui
* YouTube video excerpt
--Pduhamel (talk) 17:25, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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