Talk:Tillie Fowler

message: I came here because this article was on the assessment request page, only to find that somebody had already assessed it as start. In any event, here is what I found:
*This article has many problems, the most serious of which I have addressed. I have removed the photographs section--5 large images of Ms. Fowler is simply too much for an encyclopedia article about a low priority politician, no matter how noble or goodhearted she may have been. Likewise, I have removed the request for donations to her memorial fund. It is enougb that it is stated there exists a fund, without giving numerous ways in which the reader can contribute (telephone, mail, and even via secure, online donation!). Wikipedia is not a place to solicit funds.
*This article also has no inline sources, and needs a longer lead. I am sure there are more suggestions I could make, but this will have to suffice now. I am putting this article on my watch list.Jeffpw 18:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Image caption formatting fixed and infobox added (Politician infobox used, but possibly the Representative infobox is better suited). Carcharoth 20:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial assessment

message: *I am very concerned about this page because I see what looks like plagiarism. This is from an obituary found here:Upon her departure from Congress, Rep. Fowler's extraordinary efforts to ensure a strong United States military were recognized by the Secretary of the Navy and the Secretary of Defense. She received the Navy's Distinguished Public Service Award and the Department of Defense Medal for Distinguished Public Service. These are the highest civilian awards given by the Navy and the Department of Defense. 
Now this from the wiki article: Upon her departure, Rep. Fowler's extraordinary efforts to ensure a strong United States military were recognized by the Secretary of the Navy and the Secretary of Defense. She received the Navy's Distinguished Public Service Award and the Department of Defense Medal for Distinguished Public Service. These are the highest civilian awards given by the Navy and the Department of Defense. I note, as well, that the entire page is unsourced and nothing is cited. I was just trying to polish the article and found this instance in a google search. I now wonder how much else was copied verbatim from other sources. Would somebody from this project please leave a note on my talk page addressing this concern? I have also left this message on the WikiBiography  Project page. Jeffpw 22:22, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best thing to do is to rewrite from the source, and give that source as a reference. I'm not brilliant at giving references, so I'll leave them as external references. Carcharoth 22:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there is more plaigiarism than the bits you've mentioned. It needs someone with more time to go through it with a toothcomb. I'll try and do more later. Carcharoth 23:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism concerns

message: Rest assured, if you read something about Tillie Fowler that is amazingly similar to what I have added to her Wikipedia article, it’s probably because I wrote it too. <BR><BR>
I served as Tillie Fowler's Chief of Staff during her eight years in Congress, and then worked with her at Holland & Knight until her death in March of 2005.  The article about her that you read on the H&K web site – I wrote it for the firm.   At her husband's request, I also authored the obituary published by her family.  I also wrote most of her public speeches/statements/testimony.  Even her entry in the "Biographical Directory of Congress Entry" which someone linked to her article was written by me.<BR><BR>
I might also point out that the passage that raised concerns can also be found within Senate Resolution 342, passed by the state of Georgia honoring Tillie's life I guess I just never considered it "plagiarism" when someone used language that I wrote about Rep. Fowler because it was always more important to me (and her) that what was said about her was 
accurate.<BR><BR>
As I am new to this, I will defer to the experts on how you want to source this.  You can be assured that I am the original author of every word I added to this article, and my sourcing is either from my own direct involvement or knowledge of the facts or from Tillie Fowler herself – I assume that having been her top advisor for the past 12 years, I would be considered a credible source.  Also, as politicians’ biographies go, in my humble opinion, hers is “neutral, factual, and understated, avoiding both a sympathetic point of view and an advocacy journalism point of view” as required in bios of living persons.   It’s pretty much a timeline of her career and activities.  <BR>It may be lacking in critical statements or negative stories, but just click on the link (put in there by someone else) to Eleanor Clift’s tribute or the one by Matt Towery, If Congress Had 435 Tillie Fowlers or the one by Congressional scholar Norm Ornstein and you will see that there just isn’t much of it. <BR><BR>
Because of my relationship to Rep. Fowler, and because she reviewed and approved the biography I wrote about her that is essentially what I put in the article, I would assume my information could/should be treated as coming from the subject.  Per the Wikipedia guidelines, I would contend that the information I added meets the following conditions: <BR>
•	It meets verifiability, NPOV, and no original research policies. <BR>
•	It is relevant to the person's notability; <BR>
•	It is not contentious; <BR>
•	It is not unduly self-serving; <BR>
•	There is no reasonable doubt that it was provided by the subject. <BR><BR>
I hope this background information helps.  I will defer to the experts on how to proceed from here.  Just please know that while there are clearly some sourcing questions here, there should be absolutely NO WORRIES about plagiarism.  David W. Gilliland 03:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: YOU CAN'T PLAGIARIZE FROM YOURSELF

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thread_title:  External links modified