Talk:Serbian Air Force and Air Defence

message: Orao is a subsonic aircraft and can break the sound barrier only in a dive.
According to Air Forces Monthly only three to four Mig-21s are flying, one of them a trainer.--216.52.73.254 20:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I would like to ask who ever is writing and the end of my post that 
“this argument is not a strong one”
to not do so because that is and opinion if you have any disagreements post them here, I'am not Serbian but I have been trying to keep this article as much authentic as possible and New I have just posted some proof about your Mig-29 Gon4z 01:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mig-29 

message: User 67.180.109.56 stop adding your own options tot eh article they are not true and are not facts they are just what you think this is the last time i will warn you get a profile because if not then your IP address will be suspended from editing any article Gon4z 23:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  67.180.109.56 

message: *The Serbian AF and AD comander General-major Dragan Katanić has told that Serbian AF will after modernization of 5 MiG-29s, one An-26 and 7 helicopters modernized another four An-26s and it will get new fighters until 2015. The possible fighters, according General-major Dragan, are Mirage 2000, JAS-39, F-16 Block 15, MiG-29 SMT and Su-30. Srđan Popović 17. June,2007.
:::can you please provide some source as to the possible new fighters as it seems to me non believable with no source, until a source is provided then please lets not add our wishes.80.80.170.122 (talk) 01:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  modernization 

message: Serbian Air defense operates only SA-6 (Kub) and SA-3 (Neva) SAM's. The other anti-aircraft defense systems are used by army air defense units. user:Srđan Popović
: What is the source for the second f-16 and a f-18 shot down during the Kosovo War?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.91.1.43 (talk) 20:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they weren’t. Only one F-117 and one F-16 were shot down. 86.3.134.204 (talk) 09:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Defense 

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thread_title:  Usage of copyrighted material 

message: Hi there, I've been trying to improve the readability of this article with various corrections to spelling, grammar and vocabulary.  I've also been trying to seperate some of the lists into actual bulleted lists in the wikipedia style.  Somebody has reverted my edits back to incomprehensible lumps of huge sentences with loads of commas.  
It might be I made some errors in the lists as it was not at all clear what the facts are in the text provided.  If someone disagrees with using lists and thinks the paragraphs are better then please explain your point of view here in the discussion, rather than us just having an edit war on the article.  
I seem to have reverted someone's correction of my edits with respect to these lists ... my apologies for that, I hadn't realised exactly what had happened in the history until after I'd done it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.152.192 (talk) 10:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting of the article 

message: I just reverted an edit which relates to the above.  Please explain your reasoning for changing the appearance of that section rather than just editing it.  
I would have tried to pick out the genuine facts and information that was introduced in the edit, but the spelling and grammar were such that I couldn't understand a lot of it.  I know that is perfectly explainable by the fact it was probably someone working in their second language, but in any case if you are unsure please use the spelling support available.  
If in doubt, stick it on the discussion page and someone will help!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.152.220 (talk) 00:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ... and spelling 

message: I'm thinking about making it better quality (coat of arms) yet i cant find a better version anywhere.Mike Babic (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is a request for comments that is likely of interest to this article at Talk:Rajka_Baković#Request for comments. --- Otr500 (talk) 16:25, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comments 

message: There were a lot of edits on this page and this is the result summarized:
1)Serbia had 5 mig 29s after the war but one crashed many years ago thus only 4 remaining.
2)Russia donated 6 old mig 29s and Buks to Serbia which will be delivered in March this year
3)Belarus is also giving 8 old mig 29s and two Buks to Serbia, delivery schedule TBD
2)3)The migs are probably of the same initial version as Serbia has now, and will have to be repaired to flying condition at Serbia's cost
4)This will make a total of 18 aircraft, thus one small scaled squadron.
Given Serbia's very limited economic capabilities, the purchase of new aircraft was not possible in the first place(low per capita GDP) and such donation on condition of
paying repair costs was the only possible way. This number might be the maximum Serbia can maintain at its economy scale, if we ignore that Western jets cost mire to maintain.
The purpose would be first strike on ground weaponries such as missile launchers if an aggression by Croatia or Kosovo take place , as it was shown in 1999 and other occassions
that the Mig 29 cannot survive air combat. It lacks a modern radar/fire control system, the export version in particular.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noob2013 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summarizing 

message: Looking through the diffs I can't tell whether the chart should be included or not. I know what I think, but what want to know what was before. L3X1 My Complaint Desk 20:15, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's supposed to be here. 212.178.251.41 (talk) 00:51, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  is the 7000 byte chart supposed to be here or deleted? I am not sure anymore 

message: Hi again  and . I'm dropping in from the dispute at Equipment of the Serbian Army to see if we can hopefully talk through the issues on this article and avoid full protection. Thomas.W, I noticed you objected to Evandro321's sources in this series of edits. It looks to me like Evandro321 didn't add sources in that edit, only repositioned sources that were already being used. If these sources are a problem, can we find better ones?
I also see that Evandro321 added a number of images to the tables in the article, but way further back in the history (here) it was suggested that there shouldn't be images within the tables, and as an editorial (non-administrative) note I tend to agree. I also noticed over on Commons that a number of images that Evandro321 added were removed for copyright violations. I've removed the images from the table and fixed some formatting problems that Evandro321 introduced.
What's left to do? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:37, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content dispute 29 May 2017 

message: Tiho43 (talk) 17:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. There are non-Croatian reliable sources announcing the intended purchase. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:43, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2017 

message: Yugoslavia Bungynik (talk) 12:03, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Roadguy2 (talk) 13:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2019 

message: I made this edit. I will like to explain myself.
Military industry is a serious bussiness. However, it is not like buying/selling cars. Specially when involves governaments and long stories behind. As far as I know, countries deal military equipment in numerous ways, often to hide their real values for different reasons. Often countries give or receve military equipment within country debt adjustments. Or, special prices are made in exchange for other goods or services. Anyway, my point here is the use of the word "donation". I went on to google and I found out that the expression started with Russian website published in Serbia, sputnjik.rs, in 2017, making a sensacionalistic title how Russia is giving as gift the MiG-29s and Antonovs. Next we see how around 20 other Serbian websites literally copy/paste the story. Hardly any noteces the conflict of interess which the website sputnjik has. By being a Russian website published in Serbia, it has a goal of promoting friendly relations between the two countries. Nothing wrong with that obviously, however, using the words "gift" (later slightly altered to "donation" here on wiki) should correspond to the real meaning of the word. The MiG-29s for instance were given with the condition that Serbia should pay their repair and upgrade to certain company and so and so...
A "gift" for me is something that I buy and give to my girlfriend and she takes it and smiles. Like a pair of earings which she can use right away.
However, if I give her something, like a broken car, a Corsa from late 1990s, and I tell her that she needs to take it to my buddy Mike to his car repair garage (and only Mike´s) and pay 1.000 USD to make its engine work, plus around 500 bucks more to upgrade it to pass the inspection regarding wheels, lights, pollution emission, etc., well, I guess my gf would smack me in my face if I asked her if she liked the "gift". "Hey sorry baby, I meant donation... this is your bday donation from me... wait, why are you crying and running away from me?"
But of course, if it was some desperate girl wanting by all means to get that guy for some reason, she will obviously go around telling how sweet he is and how great his gift is! How lucky she is to have somebody to give her such a gift, despite all costs of repair limitation of having to give the repair expense to my friend Mike garage without option of looking for maybe some cheaper.
Then her father of course (Vucic) who wants by all means to show to the world how great relation he has with his family, to who´se father he works for: "Oh, indeed, such a spectacular gift. I even feel ashamed that my daughter accepts such a generous donation for free... despite him having said the car gift is part of the technical details of my contract in his firm, and he will charge me trough them.... but its such a lovely gift" ... pardpn, donation.
The source is here: rtv.rs. We can all see the presidentand minister going from "gift" to "part of a technical-militar agreement".
Finally, we see an exemple of balkans.aljazeera.net protecting themselves from making claims, by clearly starting the news with "The media says..." and then "The information comes from the website sputnjik which doesn´t cite a source..."
So, from what I know how our rules work here, we should at least take an approach similar to aljazeera and take with caution claims that such expensive military aircraft are "gifts" or "donations" when sources using those claims clearly have in their interest presenting the situation that way. I would rather go with the defense minister that despite being next to the president and having to share his enthusiasm, at least protected himself saying "it is part of a military-technical agreement" instead of free gifts, loves and kisses... FkpCascais (talk) 05:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian donations 

message: Serbian MOD ordered 4 Mi-35M helicopters from Russia last year, they are expected to arrive in early 2020. More info can be found here. Just wondering why there's no mention of that on the Wiki article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvelebit (talk • contribs) 10:16, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Those will be added to the article when they arrive. Karen Kho (talk) 19:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  New choppers? 

message: Serbia operates 14 mig 29 not 9. 3 are used for training. 62.4.42.3 (talk) 18:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2021 

message: 109.245.37.213 (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 15:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2022 

message: There are actually 14 Mig-29SMs in SAF, so if anyone could change that number it would be great. 2A06:5B01:310:EF00:94C0:2152:E468:7980 (talk) 17:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Mig-29SM 

message: ILIKESHIPSalot (talk) 06:36, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: Where do you want to add this? Lightoil (talk) 08:09, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2023 

message: … is no jet trainer, it has propellers  2003:CF:1F12:9500:39DE:6BDB:A313:4151 (talk) 20:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  UTVA Lasta