Talk:Mount Meru

message: Could the Zoroastrian Hara be included here, being as it is possible Meru and Hara originate from the same source? 
"This, coupled with evidence indicating that the early Aryans resided in the arctic regions, has led many to infer that mount Meru actually refers to the north pole."
Who says the Aryans come from the arctic?! This needs to be backed up, clarified or deleted.
Khirad 06:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening heading 

message: The legends, puranas and Hindu epics frequently state that Surya, the sun-God, circumambulates Mount Meru every day.
Could it be that Mt. Meru is really the center of the Milky Way galaxy since science tells us that the sun revolves around the center of said galaxy? "Every day" is possibly referring to Brahma's Day? Armyrifle 02:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: -- 88.75.75.119 (talk) 12:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

text: And isn't the Universe Jambudvipa? Gantuya eng (talk) 14:05, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Milky Way

message: About a billion Hindus and Buddhists revere Mount Kailash as the earthly manifestation of Meru.  Every year, thousands make arduous pilgrimages to walk around the mountain and/or bathe in nearby Lake Manasarovar.  Originally the location of Meru may have been uncertain, however as factual geographic knowledge accumulated it became clear that the region of Mt. Kailash and Lakes Manasarovar/Rakshesh was exceptional: the hydrographic nexus of the Himalaya.  This was raised to the metaphysical plane.
Given the huge number of people equating Mt. Kailash with Meru, this ought to qualify as the mainstream belief.  Speculation about Aryan origins at the north pole, or locating Meru in the "Pamir Knot" are fringe theories with relatively few adherents.  As the the article stands it is seriously unbalanced. LADave (talk) 20:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC
:Can you find some reliable sources? That would help a lot. Dougweller (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I only know of secondary references.  For example Colin Thubron discusses the gravitation toward Mt. Kailash in To A Mountain in Tibet.  Googling "Kailash" together with "Meru" dredges up many other references.  Unfortunately nothing authoritative. Without question, Mt. Kailash is an important pilgrimage site for Hindus, Buddhists and Jains. Conceivably one could go there and survey pilgrims as to their beliefs about the mountain.  LADave (talk) 17:09, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fringe theories? 

message: As can be seen above, I opposed the idea of merging Meru (the Hindu concept) and Sumeru (the Buddhist concept) when it was earlier proposed. Now there is an attempt to merge them again. The result is really a hash -- unrelated Buddhist mythological concepts are sandwiched between paragraphs on Hindu topics as if it's all one and the same. Whether or not Buddhism can be considered as originating in Hinduism (a semantic and terminological problem) is irrelevant if, as is the case, Hindu mythology and Buddhist mythology are today independent story and concept systems. A discussion of Buddhist ideas about Sumeru in no way clarifies or improves our understanding of what is said about Meru in Hindu religious writings, and talking about Meru in the Vedas and Puranas doesn't tell us anything about how the mythological mountain is viewed by Buddhists. That is why it is best to keep the two articles separate, using a link or a reference to redirect people who have accidentally gotten into the wrong article.
If, however, there were a consensus for merger, it cannot possibly be appropriate to do it the way that it appears in this article -- randomly dropping in chunks of text from the article on Sumeru without any attention to the appropriateness of their placing. RandomCritic (talk) 21:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with RandomCritic. Separate articles, and at least a decent merger proposal per Wikipedia:Merging, with arguments. Next time, also add a copy-notification please. Greetings, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:20, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion

message: Closed; article was boldly merged by Nom on 8 June 2013. Moonraker12 (talk) 20:13, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like 216.58.66.164 has got a point here:  . Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:03, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Obvious merge. Dougweller (talk) 13:20, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal June 2013

message: I've closed the two merge discussions on this page, as the first never came to anything, and the second took place after the Sumeru article was boldly merged into this one. However, despite that the Sumeru article is still there, and I agree with User:RandomCritic that the result is a hash. If Mount Meru occupies the same place in Hindu, Buddhist and Jain tradition, their views of it are subtly different, so it makes sense to have separate articles on those aspects of the idea, while keeping a unified page on the subject containing those things all three agree on. We've done that for Paradise, Heaven, and Hell, so it makes sense to do the same here.
I've moved the Sumeru page to Mount Meru (Buddhism), as I take the point the names are synonymous, but I suggest the Buddhist Legends section here be thinned down to a summary and the main article link changed. We could probably also do with "Mount Meru (Hinduism)" and "Mount Meru (Jainism)" pages, too. Thoughts? Moonraker12 (talk) 20:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  More confusion 

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message: Sorry but I noticed the location of the mountain was not specified in the article. Like, you know how other articles have sidebar information with all the significant information niftily placed below the main picture :D  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathlessmile (talk • contribs) 14:45, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Deathlessmile, it doesn't seem to exist in the real world, so we can't add a location. Doug Weller talk 15:40, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

text: I agree; according to the religions noted in this article, Meru has a very symbolic "spiritual" meaninghttps://www.jstor.org/stable/1062318?seq=1#page_scan_tab_content, and trying to find its location is IMHO as fringe as looking for the garden of Eden. Kortoso  (talk) 21:21, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  LOCATION? 

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message: To add to the article: the etymology of "meru" (Sanskrit मेरु). 173.88.241.33 (talk) 05:31, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article

message: Since articles on the Buddhist Mount Meru in other languages link to this main article; this article is linked to Buddhist categories; and it mentions that Mount Meru is the centre of the universe in Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism, with a section on Hinduism and Jainism, but not on Buddhism, I added a section on Buddhism that links to the separate article Mount Meru (Buddhism) accordingly. May you be well, this user (talk) 17:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Buddhism 

message: The entirety of Meru is based on Rig Veda, yet no mention of this fact. Neither is there any mention of Meru as being just another name for Merv/Merw/Meru/Margiana.
Add this and keep it cool
According to the Rig Veda, Vedic Aryans migrated from Meru to invade and settle the Indo-gangetic plains, and introduced Sanskrit to the region. Margiana, also known as Merv/Merw/Meru, in Turkmenistan, is the plausible homeland of Vedic Aryans. 
— Preceding unsigned comment added by  172.58.190.155 (talk • contribs) 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Note: See follow-up. To avoid repitition, lets continue any discussion at Talk:Sanskrit. Abecedare (talk) 14:37, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of Rig Veda/Merv history.