Talk:National routes (South Africa)

message: Should this be moved to "National roads of South Africa"? I'm not familiar with "National routes". Google hits: route ~405, routes ~224, road ~9 500, roads ~7 690. The 1st Google hit for 3 of them is the "SA National Roads Agency Limited" site. — Jeandré, 2004-11-25t19:11z, 2004-11-25t19:16z
I agree to moving it to National Roads.  Unless anyone objects, I will move it now. PZFUN 20:49, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming 1 

message: I propose renaming this article to "National Roads of South Africa";  this conforms somewhat with the namings on List of roads and highways for other countries.  Dewet 07:25, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I'll move it now. Páll 08:00, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The above renaming, from 2005 was inaccurate, and has been reversed as per discussion below on this Talk Page. The term "National Road" has a clearly defined meaning in legislation, and is owned and maintained by the South African National Roads Agency Limited (SANRAL). A road numbered with an "N" is not necessarily a National Road. Conversely a route numbered with an "R" can, in fact, be a proclaimed National Road. Please see the following source [ http://www.nra.co.za/content/declarationA4.pdf ] for a listing of "National Roads". Park3r (talk) 08:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming 2 

message: To my knowledge the N8 streches from Springbok to Maseru, not Upington to Maseru. --Wolfling 00:27, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Have to correct myself here. After some research I found a second source stating the N8 runs from Maseru to Kimberley.  Ill leave the entry as it is untill I can find out a bit more. --Wolfling 11:53, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the map on the wall behind my desk - Mapstudio RSA Provincial 16th Ed. 2006. ISBN 978-86809-638-1 - the western end is Kimberley, not Groblershoop. The route between Kimberley and Groblershoop is marked R64. It may have been extended to Groblershoop since the map was published but then we need a proper source for that.  Note that the eastern end is the Maseru Bridge border post, not the city of Maseru itself - Lesotho has their own road designation system. Springbok is simply not possible as Upington to Springbok is part of the N14. Roger (talk) 09:27, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your map is evidently out of date. This Road Conditions Report from SANRAL describes the N8 as running Groblershoop - Kimberley - Bloemfontein - Maseru (Bridge). (Whether we say Maseru or Maseru Bridge is immaterial to my mind, as Maseru city stretches right up to the border post.) I've added the cite to the article. - htonl (talk) 12:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent! (Note to self: Get a new map) Roger (talk) 12:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  N8 

message: Should the reference to the R26 not be moved to the Regional Route (South Africa) page? --Wolfling 00:27, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  R26 

message: The R60 is shown as the N15 on some recent maps. SANRAL's website says nothing about it though... Anyone? 41.247.46.157 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 11:49, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As I recall it's mostly older maps (about 10 years old or so) that show the R60/R62 between Swellendam and Worcester as the N15. Unless they've changed the signs in the last couple of months since I drove along there, its signposted as the R60 and R62 with no mention of the N15. - htonl (talk) 16:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  R60 

message: I would suggest that maybe we should drop the "maintained by" field from road infoboxes, since in most cases it's going to be really difficult to get (citable) information on who actually maintains given roads. Thoughts? - htonl (talk) 22:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with removing it from the infobox, for the reasons given. The information is useful though, and cited information should be in the article bodies when available. A lot of people have no idea who maintains roads, sometimes with serious repercussions , so this information can be helpful, when available. Park3r (talk) 08:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Maintained by" field in road infoboxes 

message: I've stumbled across a gold mine of information on the Department of Transport website - this document has the official definitions of all the N- and R-routes in South Africa. (Incidentally, it also confirms 100% that they are "routes" and not "roads".) - htonl (talk) 23:44, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found official definitions of the numbered routes 

message: I added what I found in an old map book. I've seen other map books of the same vintage using that scheme. At the moment the way it is presented is ugly... I think it's relevant information though. It'd be nice to know to what extent that scheme was implemented ito of road signs. It'd also be nice to know the history regarding the changes. I know that mid to late 80's map show a reduced version of the current scheme: N1, N2, N3, N4, N5, N7 only. I also have an early 90's map that adds the N6, N8 from Bloem to Maseru, N9, N10, part of the N11, N12 (excluding Jozi to Witbank), and part of the N14 (Upington to Lichtenburg and then connecting to the N12 via Sweitzer). 197.78.129.32 (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Earlier Scheme

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