Talk:Ja'Net DuBois

message: Is there any way to find that information? 66.162.249.170 (talk) 22:52, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried, and I assume other editors have as well. We'll just have to keep digging for reliable journalistic / academic / reference sources.--Tenebrae (talk) 23:35, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  I see we don't know how many children she had either. 

message: Another editor on May 10 removed the image of the title card, claiming, "fails NFCC#8." It does not: The image is here specifically because it IS supported by NFCC#8: "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." This most widely seen version of her name is unquestionably necessary in order to sort out the many variations explicitly given and cited in the lead. 
Indeed, it directly supports an article footnote that reads:
--Tenebrae (talk) 18:09, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than discuss on the talk page after his bold edited was reverted, as per WP:BRD, User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has elected to edit-war over a WP:BLP issue regarding the subject's name. I ask this editor to follow BRD and discuss the issue on this talk page.--Tenebrae (talk) 18:08, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Title card

message: To the anon-IP who removed WP:RS WP:SECONDARY sources, like print-encyclopedia entries, wrote in an edit summary that, "Her official biography with her publicist gives her DOB as 1945 when which corresponds correctly with her being 76 years of age, again from her publicist. These other speculation do not belong in any reference material!": First, encyclopedia entries are not "speculation". Second, we do not take a publicist's word as gospel when RS sources contradict it. Lots of celebrities fudge their ages. Until and if definitive sources such as a new report citing her death certificate can confirm, we include all the well-cited dates. Note that even the Associated Press obituary said it couldn't give a definitive age. --65.78.8.103 (talk) 13:58, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Her age

message: Ja'Net DuBois was an honorary member of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Incorporated. 170.94.172.157 (talk) 14:52, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 15:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2020 

message: Was her son adopted or a stepson? Otherwise, if her son was 36 when he died in 1987, he must have been born in 1951. That makes it extremely unlikely that she was born in 1945. 198.179.137.199 (talk) 19:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely so. Perhaps when her Social Security Death Index becomes public it will hold an answer.--65.78.8.103 (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

text: I have closed this edit request. While the OP brings up a valid point that merits further discussion, there is no specific request to edit the article here. —KuyaBriBriTalk 19:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

text: Her real birth year is almost certainly 1932, but we can't say that unless secondary sources do. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:44, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2020 

message: The New York City Marriage Index has records for DuBois' marriage to Sajit Gupta. It indicates that a marriage license was issued in 1950, but no date of marriage. However, we can't use that source. MsScorpioMoon (talk) 20:10, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage Records 

message: Yes, her death certificate is somewhat questionable. However; her public records also states her name as Janet Theresa Dubois. She went by the name Jeannette during her dancing career in the 1950's. IcedLemonade (talk) 18:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Public records aren't enough. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 19:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've already explained why a few primary sources, such as public records, should be used on this particular article. IcedLemonade (talk) 20:15, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how we can use them given WP:BLPPRIMARY. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 21:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've already explained my reasoning. IcedLemonade (talk) 23:42, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her birthname. 

message: There's a new round of press on her, mostly in response to TMZ's report about the death certificate. While we shouldn't use TMZ, the better sources might be used, like the coverage in People maybe. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 19:15, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Ms. Dubois' oldest grandson, Raj Jr. (born 1969), reported her age as 88 to the interviewer from Muzique Magazine, which is the age that she would've been this year. However, this is a magazine website without a wiki page Source. IcedLemonade (talk) 04:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: New round of press

message: Beyond the TMZ-related sourcing, all I'm finding are apparently WP:CIRCULAR mentions of her being a dancer. The material from the Hi de Ho blog is probably not usable, though a RSN discussion might help. Even if she was dancing at the Cotton Club, she's certainly not notable for it. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 21:57, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not sure where I can find a "better" source, as it appears that she kept her dancing career a secret, whether it was because of Mr. Calloway or hiding her actual age. Her name is indeed on the scanned flyer and her Brazilian passport indicates that she used it during her time on the Brazilian Cotton Club revue in 1959. IcedLemonade (talk) 23:18, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  If she had a background in dance, it may have helped her transition to acting, or get acting roles. I've not looked, but did she dance in any of the productions that we currently mention, like Golden Boy (musical)? It's worth looking for details. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 23:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was able to find a few photos of her from the New York Public Library's digital collection. There was dancing involved in the other photos, but I didn't see her.  [Photo 1][Photo 2] [Photo 3] [Photo 4] IcedLemonade (talk) 03:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Dancer

message: According to her death certificate, it looks like that Ja'Net DuBois' father was jazz icon Cab Calloway. Can anybody here please add that to the article? https://www.tmz.com/2020/03/13/janet-dubois-cab-calloway-secret-birth-father-death-certificate/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.37.196 (talk) 02:36, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a reliable source for her birth information, even if there wasn't the possibility of it being a hoax. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 02:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ja'Net DuBois' Father 

message: On the article page there are three years that says she could have been born 1932, 1938, 1945 yet how come when she died in 2020, TMZ has a copy of her death certificate that clearly states that she was born in 1932, so the source that is saying she was born in 1932 why not just go with that?
How come the Wikipedia article doesn’t say how she died and where she died?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WQYUTV (talk • contribs) 03:31, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia. This has all been discussed above. TMZ appears unreliable on the matter and the supposed "death certificate" has significant problems if it's not an outright hoax. --Hipal (talk) 17:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur. It would have been nice if the subject had been more forthright, but she apparently told different outlets different things. All we can do is record what WP:RS sources say, and hope something definitive comes along at some point.--Tenebrae (talk) 23:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three different birthdates, why hasn’t this been corrected and how did she die that seems to be missing. 

message: There used to be 3 possible years of birth for her. Why were they removed? I think it's much more interesting showing several possibilities that just lusting the day and month. 2601:601:200:1F0:78DF:94A5:5255:C28C (talk) 06:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: User TukTucker put the birth years in a note instead of having them all listed, in this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ja%27Net_DuBois&diff=1121766859&oldid=1115274649  i dont know why but he did --FMSky (talk) 06:42, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 possible birthdays