Talk:Francis Sheehy-Skeffington

message: What do you mean "there's some evidence" he was an athiest.  Every book, article and paper written on him mentions that fact that he ws an athiest.  This namby-pamby NPOV, weakly stated bollocks completely changes the charcteristic of the nature of his (or lack of) religious faith. The staement is almost as stupid as the earlier one identifying him as a Roman Catholic.
:His 1911 census entry says under religion: "information refused", which suggests he wasn't interested. He had to be Catholic to study at UCD; around 1900, and was born to Catholic parents, but it wasn't a notable part of his not very notable life.78.16.86.228 (talk) 15:34, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atheism 

message: The article refers to the "11th East Surrey Regiment". This is confusing. Does it mean 11th Battalion, the East Surrey Regiment? DuncanHill (talk) 14:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  11th East Surrey Regiment? 

message: There is some redundancy and somewhat POV language about him I cleared up. Also, the article referenced the North King St. Murders as part of his indictment, but wasn't that a separate incident entirely, one which he was not involved? Also, should he have his own article? We have enough reliable sources on him for a stub. Not sure if there's enough that isn;t already included here, however. -R. fiend (talk) 19:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bowen-Colthurst

message: I have read and re-read a few times the "Arrest and murder" section, and I just can't find at what point he was actually murdered. The section implies, somewhat loosely, that Bowen-Colthurst's raiding party was indeed attacked (as he perhaps hoped), and that Bowen-Colthurst himself then shot Sheehy-Skeffington. (When? Where?) The last paragraph of the section doesn't specifically say this; it indicates that Bowen-Colthurst shot several other people in an unrelated situation. Unfortunately, the only reference in this section is not available. Could someone with knowledge (and references!) clarify?  HorsePunchKid (talk) 2009-03-11 03:17:06Z
::This is from the Portobello, Dublin article, which contains references (the party was NOT attacked):
Also during the Easter Rising, members of the British 11th East Surrey Regiment at Portobello Bridge arrested the pacifist Francis Sheehy-Skeffington on 25 April for no obvious reason, while returning to his home in Rathmines. He was taken to Portobello Barracks, where he was held as an enemy sympathizer. Later that evening, he was taken out as a hostage with a raiding party led by Captain J.C. Bowen-Colthurst to the home and shop of Alderman James Kelly, at the corner of Camden Street and Harcourt Road (from which the name "Kelly's Corner" derives). Mistaking the Alderman (a conservative) for a rebel, the soldiers destroyed the shop with grenades. On the way back to Rathmines, Skeffington was the witness to two murders committed by Bowen-Colthurst and his party on two unarmed civilians (one of them a 17-year-old boy from Mountpleasant Avenue returning from Rathmines church).
The following morning Bowen-Colthurst ordered his sergeant to organise a firing party to shoot dead Sheehy-Skeffington and two pro-British journalists—Thomas Dixon (a disabled Scotsman) and Patrick McIntyre—who were unlucky enough to have been in Kelly's shop when it was raided. The three were shot in the back as they walked towards a wall in the barracks yard. Hohenloh 03:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Bowen-Colthurst was clearly not at all mad, having arrested 2 rebel supporters out of 5. Killing all 5 was of course overly psychotic. FSS was well known as a radical and unfortunately was suspected of doing much more than he had.86.46.206.117 (talk) 18:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arrest and murder: when was he murdered? 

message: Can anyone find further verification on the shooting of Richard O'Carroll by Bowen-Colthurst? This is not mentioned in the Royal Commission Report, but I have seen it cited in several sources. I will try to add some more citations. But none of these sources cites its own source.Wwallacee (talk) 18:50, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks CanK9, I have put all that in now. -Wwallacee (talk) 06:05, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Death of Richard O'Carroll

message: As I read Hanna's lecture "British Militarism", I am increasingly realising that many details of Francis's last hours in their various versions are probably traceable to this document. However, the document presents significant problems as a reliable source, not least of which the fact that Hanna herself did not witness many of the events she describes (e.g. Bowen-Colthurst's alleged prayers on Francis's behalf, and his saying "You'll be next."). Moreover the document shows Hanna to have been very politically motivated in her retelling of the events. The problems with this source would seem then to contaminate many other accounts of the story, including Barry and the Irish Times article.Wwallacee (talk) 07:50, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliability of Hanna Sheehy-Skeffington's testimony

message: I have reinstated (with corrections) some text about the difference between Francis and Hanna Sheehy-Skeffington's response to the violence of Easter 1916. It is clear that Hanna actively sympathized with the rebels while Francis did not. Francis's first act was to go to the rescue of an English soldier; his next was to try to stop looting by inner-city paupers. He at no point offered to help the insurrectionists. Hanna, in contrast, did help the insurrectionists. Hanna revealed in a later comment that she deemed the looters to be "British sympathizers" (see Hanna Sheehy-Skeffington, British Militarism as I have known it, a lecture given during a lecture tour of America). This remark which casts significant light on her own views! The looters were nothing more than inner city paupers who were greedy and apolitical.Wwallacee (talk) 05:36, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: She remained very political as the grieving widow, and was impractical from the 1918 NYC convention onwards. Her memoir was Agitprop and excludes itself from Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Had there been less Irish militarism in 1916, Francis would have lived, and as a progressive he would most likely have been an unhappy gadfly in the 1920s Irish Free State. A fascinating couple.78.16.27.75 (talk) 07:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between Francis and Hanna Sheehy-Skeffington's response to the Easter Rising 

message: CanK9, you who know all - is there a good source for the detail that Sheehy-Skeffington protested against the shooting of James Coade, and Bowen-Colthurst then turned to him and said: "You'll be next!" ?? -Wwallacee (talk) 06:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: CanK, I'm going to "comment out" that sentence then, pending some source we could rely on. The sentence will still be visible in the code for the page should anyone wish to restore it. -Wwallacee (talk) 10:42, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: "You'll be next!"

message: @User Talk:CanK9, can you source anything on whether a debate actually occurred between FSS and Countess M? This would seem to be a highly entertaining possibility to imagine. - Wwallacee (talk) 10:14, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Debate with Countess Markievicz?

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