Talk:Syriza

message: Please note that Alavanos remains the leader of the Coalition as Tsipras is not an MP. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 23:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Leadership

message: Wouldn't it be right to add the fact that SYRIZA was the only political party that did not condemn the December 2008 riots? Many times the party and Tsipras expressed feelings of sympathy towards the rioters.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by The daydreamer (talk • contribs) 16:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: December 2008 unrest

message: I can't believe that a a party obviously opposed to neoliberalism pushes for a reform like that, even though it might be something like the negative income tax they're for, this paragraph should be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.107.143.107 (talk) 17:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Neoliberal reform of the pension and social security systems" 

message: While on Wikipedia the colour of Syriza is supposed to be yellow, in the map of the official site of the Ministry of Ιnterior, though, the electoral districts which were won by the Coalition of the Radical Left are coloured with pink. If you search on the web the colour is pink by other sites also, such as by news agencies etc. What is the official colour anyway? I think that yellow may be the colour of Synaspismos only and not the colour of Syriza. I don't know I may be wrong. The thing is I made a map and at first I used pink and then I changed it to yellow according to Template:Coalition of the Left of Movements and Ecology/meta/color. Is there any way to find out for sure? --RoseAphro (talk) 08:29, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Use the color used by the Ministry of Interior (pink). It certainly counts as a reliable source. – Kosm1fent 09:43, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I know and thank you for the reply, but the thing is that in Greek legislative election, 2012 for example, we'll have on the top the Syriza party second with yellow colour and then at the bottom of the box in the map with pink? It's not right, is it? I don't know. --RoseAphro (talk) 10:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it's not right, but that can be changed to pink as well. In any case, the use of yellow for the party is unsourced. By the way, some other parties need their colors changed as well. – Kosm1fent 12:35, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but how can we be sure about the right shade of pink? This shade you chose corresponds to the one on the map of the ministry, and that's good, because it's a reliable source. But still. Is there another source that we can use? Such as official members of the party or official site of the party? Which other parties do you refer to exactly? --RoseAphro (talk) 06:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colour 

message: *I removed the reference to "punning" in Syriza's name: "ριζοσπαστική" is no more a pun than is "radical", even though both words, of course, refer to "roots".
*I have changed instances of "the SYRIZA" to simply "SYRIZA". Written and broadcast media sources consistently use phrases such as "anti-austerity parties like Syriza", "Greeks [are] ready to give Syriza their vote", "Explanations for Syriza's success" -- without any definite article.
*I would also propose that "SYRIZA" be changed to "Syriza" throughout, since that is how it is almost always written in English-language sources. -- Picapica (talk) 10:11, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. – Kosm1fent 12:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions 

message: SYRIZA is a member of the European United Left–Nordic Green Left but only Synaspismós is a member of the Party of the European Left and Renewing Communist Ecological Left is an observer but Synaspismós is an obsever in the European Anticapitalist Left but the Anticapitalist Political Group is a member of European Anticapitalist Left thus the page only represents Synaspismós's European Affiliation  TURTLOS (talk) 09:34, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The official website of the Party of the European Left currently lists SYRIZA as a member in its own right.--Autospark (talk) 12:51, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I know but when i orginally made the comment it wasn't TURTLOS (talk) 00:06, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't this mean that Syriza should be described as far left rather than left wing?Royalcourtier (talk) 03:36, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No it doesn't because SYRIZA is no longer in European Anticapitalist Left and Far Left elements within SYRIZA have mostly left the party.TURTLOS (talk) 10:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  European affiliation 

message: @Philly boy92 for the name, logo and colours of SYRIZA please visit the official http://syriza.gr/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimth (talk • contribs) 17:12, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name, logo, colours 

message: Since "Coalition of the Radical Left" is very rarely used in English-speaking publications, should we not include "Syriza" in the title?
There is nothing even to show this title is a name, let alone a Greek political party.
I might suggest "Syriza (Greek Coalition of the Radical Left)"? Jezza (talk) 23:37, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Syriza alone is what it's called. WP:COMMONNAME. I've attempted to restart the Requested move above. Rothorpe (talk) 00:50, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

text: You need to add your comment to the requested move section above. Number 57 12:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Are we quite sure on the pronunciation of the word 'SYRIZA'? The pronunciation tip in the article indicates a full-blown 'ee' sound, and that's how i've heard it pronounced in TV and such (but always by non-Greek speakers), but i would expect the Y (Greek Upsilon) to sound more like English 'U', or at most as German 'Ü' (Umlaut-U), resembling somewhat what happens in Russian (though i have no idea whether Greek Y and Cyrillic Y are at all related). What say you, native Greek speakers?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.133.49 (talk) 03:50, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not one, but I believe it to be correct. Rothorpe (talk) 02:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

text: The Greek pronunciation is correct, yes. Modern Greek υ is pronounced like "ee", see iotacism. Alakzi (talk) 02:36, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation Of SYRIZA 

message: I still personally don´t understand why the term populist is used when defining the ideology of Syriza among other parties of the left. Radical left, democratic socialism, or a mix of partys of the left are valid terms, but populism is a very subjective term, which I think it´s mostly used by the media, -specially bad media- to criticize a party or ideology. Then, the term "populist" should be deleted from all objetive and serious descriptions of political parties in wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.25.238.87 (talk) 13:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Populism as an ideology is "a political doctrine that appeals to the interests and conceptions (such as hopes and fears) of the general people, especially contrasting those interests with the interests of the elite." You should differentiate between the pejorative use and the actual definition of populism, which in itself does not denote anything bad. By your statement, we should also remove everything like "communism", "fascism" and other such ideologies from Wikipedia articles because of their frequent use as pejorative terms. Impru20 (talk) 14:23, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Populist means the people against the elites, which today is used primarily by right-wing parties. While the media and Syriza's opponents use the description, I would like to see academic sources that explain to what degree they are populist.  Certainly all parties use populism to some extent, but I do not think it plays as significant a role here as sometimes portrayed.  TFD (talk) 22:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Populist? 

message: Looking at it objectively, 'secularism' in the Infobox is more irrelevant/redundant than populism. SYRIZA is broadly speaking a democratic socialist, or socialist, political party, and by its nature is secular. Essentially all political parties in Europe are secular, with rare exceptions such as the Reformed Political Party of the Netherlands. If one counts the modern European Christian-democratic parties as non-secular camp, then it is quite obvious from the article content that SYRIZA is not Christian-democratic in origin either. Secularism no more belongs in the Infobox of this article than it does in the Infobox of the vast majority of political parties in Greece or elsewhere in Europe, as it is completely redundant. (Also, please note that secularism is not the same thing as either anti-clericalism or laicism.)--Autospark (talk) 11:17, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. As you say, it might be notable if the party were expressly laic or anticlerical (especially in Greece where there still exists quite some interconnection between church and politics), but the cited article does not say so. Being secular is indeed "standard" and self-evident for most European parties, especially left-wing and socialist ones. Greece is not a theocracy and no serious party wants to make it one, so being secular is not a distinction (just like "republicanism" would be redundant in a republican state that has no substantial monarchist movement). --RJFF (talk) 12:16, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Secularism is redundant

message: 46.12.25.31 (talk) 23:57, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  SYRIZA program 

message: please mention the "Drachmeza joke - and all events around it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.84.216.225 (talk) 17:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Drachmeza joke 

message: I edited the number of SYRIZA MP's from 149 to 148 to take into account that if you add up all of the political parties infoboxes represented in parliament, the total comes to 301, as the infobox for SYRIZA is 149 and Ecologists Greens is 1 which obviously means this 1 EG/SYRIZA MP is being double counted. This edit was reverted so I have now gone to the Ecologists Greens page and removed there 1 MP from the infobox. I just wanted to ask the question on here, shall we consider the MP elected on the SYRIZA list who is a member of Ecologists Greens a SYRIZA MP or a Ecologists Greens MP? Guyb123321 (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  149 or 148 MP's 

message: I have not yet seen a statement from the Communist Organization of Greece themselves, but the Communist Platform (International Marxist Tendency Greece) is reporting that the KOE announced its withdrawal from the party during the recent SYRIZA Central Committee meeting. There is a big possibility that the Left Platform and other groups could end up doing the same.http://www.marxist.com/greece-the-political-conclusions-of-the-syriza-cc-meeting.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chilltherevolutionist (talk • contribs) 11:22, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Party Splits 

message: If you dare to edit this section and present SYRIZA as it really is you are automatically banned from wikipedia. The guys from SYRIZA are excessing censorship better than the Chinese state. SYRIZA is a neo-Thatherist party and has nothing to do with left politics.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.17.242 (talk) 11:26, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  If you dare 

message: There have been arguments that since Syriza gained power it has become more moderate. 
http://users.ntua.gr/jmilios/Subversion_to_Centre-Left_Pragmatism.pdf
All the citations for the ideologies currently listed in the info box are from before the party got into power (with the exception of Secularism and Soft Euroscepticism). Is there any evidence the party is still left-wing and not just centre-left? Or that the party has took any action to implement democratic socialism, populist left-wing policies, eco-socialism, reform or remove capitalism, or set in place any policies around alter-globalization? Helper201 (talk) 07:28, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think both centre-left and left-wing should be cited in the infobox. This seems to be the standard procedure in cases where different opinions on a party's position in the political spectrum circulate in reliable sources. I think that a party's position on the left-right axis is more of a longterm development and is often influenced by subjective and emotional elements. There are no objective criteria or gauge to scientifically determine where exactly on the left-right scale a certain party sits. There is no automatism that makes a party left-wing or right-wing if it supports this proposal or enacts that measure. Moreover it is normal for a political party to act differently depending on whether they are in power or in opposition. Think of the British Labour Party: How different are their positions now that they are in opposition from the time of their government under Blair and Brown. Nevertheless it was labeled a centre-left party then and still is now. An originally left-wing party may see itself forced to enact neoliberal reforms (that we would rather consider centre-right), but still is a left-wing party for the sake of traditions, ideals and long-term ambitions. You may bet that Syriza will snap back to the left as soon as they are out of government. --RJFF (talk) 16:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible change of ideologies and political position? 

message: after coming into power the party has done nothing left wing at all. they have Only done Right wing austerity measures Cuts to welfare , Cuts to schools, Cuts to health care, Cuts to pensions. this page really needs to be updated. its not left wing anymore.  Tomwalker89 (talk) 06:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syriza Right Wing 

message: "Coalition of the Radical Left"
Does not sound like a form of social democracy to me. And "radical" shows a clear touch to an extreme political position. Therefore why is the article calling this party "left-wing to centre-left"?91.22.144.98 (talk) 06:32, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't Syriza a far-left wing party? 

message: Suriza seems govern like a centre-left party as PASOK.Paul Lincoln (talk) 05:04, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I would argue the party has shifted more to the centre-left since being elected. However some consensus will be needed to change this. At the moment there are citations listed that support centre-left, left-wing and far-left. Using the term 'big tent of the left' isn't perfect but since all three positions of the left can be claimed and supported without more evidence for where the party stands today in 2018 we should probably keep it as is. Helper201 (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centre-left 

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message: Of course Syriza is not a eurosceptistic party as it was when it became goverment for first time. But this does not make it a pro-europeanist party. I think that it's better to remove this term from the ideology.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.55.93.171 (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: ProEuropeanism

message: There appears to be a heavy amount of original research and synthesis going on in the infobox. How do we know these ideologies and political positions are factions and/or historical? The sources themselves do not appear to state as such and it appears to be editors edit warring among themselves according to their own views of which ideologies and positions are currently applicable and which are not. Helper201 (talk) 22:27, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , I agree and I find it weird you reverted some of my edits which tried to address precisely this. In regards to this, it appears that you treat as if left-wing and centre-left exclude each other; a centre-left party is still left-wing, just more moderate, that is why we say left-wing party in the lead, while clarifying it is positioned on the centre-left. Nonetheless, rather than have in the infobox the awkward Centre-left to left-wing, which seem to be more reflective of the positions of its factions (exactly what you correctly lamented here) rather than that of the party as a whole, I would rather put just one, and clarify any issue in the lead. I would be fine with just Left-wing too but I put Centre-left because it is more accurate and reflective of their 2019 developments. Davide King (talk) 01:27, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We should be as specific as possible and simply quote what reliable sources state. Helper201 (talk) 12:45, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research and synthesis

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message: Should the party have another colour, since it looks like it doesn't use salmon anymore? ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 13:12, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Party colour 

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message: In my opinion left-wing should be removed from the infobox with Stefanos Kasselakis as the new leader and New Left (Greece) i think the new more centrist direction is now manifested Braganza (talk) 22:20, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We'd need some evidence that the party itself has shifted. It’s not up for editors to decide on such things but reliable third-party sources. Helper201 (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Left-wing, is moderate. Far-left on the other hand isn’t. This party is part of the populist left-wing resurgence in the 2000s and 2010s (i’de say the "true" left-wing, but whatever) opposed to both the far-left communist parties (with which alliances aren’t inacceptable of course) and a "social-democracy" converted to the neol-iberal doxa. The party is very much left-wing, it’s strategy is still based on the theories of Chantal Mouffe, and while it had to back down because of the international context in which the Greeks found themselves, it’s still part of The Left in the European Parliament. Encyclopédisme (talk) 14:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The main problem is that Stefanos Kasselakis is a former supporter of the U.S. Democratic Party and has advocated emulating that party's policies in Greece. Kasselakis "has been accused of "right-wing populism" and authoritarian practices during his time leading Syriza. " I have voted Syriza for most of my adult life, but I am seriously worried when I see that a "leftist" leader is openly religious and gives speeches about his support of the fatherland. Dimadick (talk) 14:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Pedro Castillo is a leftist, sometimes even labeled far-left. This brand of "left-conservatism" is qualified as left-wing on our page on BSW. We will have to see what happens. For now, most sources probably still qualify the party as left-wing. With European elections happening soon, and Podemos being pretty much dead, Sumar not knowing where to go (though probably more compatible with the Greens than with the left), La France Insoumise being one of the only somewhat dominating and classical  left-wing parties in Europe, Die Linke being dead, and Sahra Wagenknecht literally announcing the creation of a new group, sources are probably going to change accordingly. Encyclopédisme (talk) 15:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left-wing