Talk:Scrabble letter distributions

message: Might it be better to arrange this into a table, showing the frequency and value of each tile in different languages? I find it quite interesting to compare them which is impossible in the current format. Nevertheless it would be quite a bit of work and I don't want to spend time doing it only for it to get reverted. Your thoughts please. Agentsoo 23:54, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this was a stupid idea so thanks to everyone who ignored it. Soo 01:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I've had such a table online for a while Poslfit (talk) 10:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Table

message: Information on the English-version point values is duplicated in Scrabble letter values, so I'm thinking that that article is not actually needed separately? --Zidane2k1 08:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplication

message: Have added to English section: The total number of points is 187, as this is useful. If this is OK'd, I can add similar totals to each section. Glenn.mar.oz (talk) 14:24, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Total number of points

message: The image of English tiles are of a set manufactured for professional use by 
SamTimer.com, as identified by the ST in the bottom right corner of the "blanks".
Identifying these as SCRABBLE tiles is a violation of the SCRABBLE trademark. Poslfit (talk) 10:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Trademark violation

message: I tried to add this section but the HTML escape sequences don't exist and the biDi complication of inserting the characters as literals confused me. If someone with more experience could have a go then I'd be most grateful. Soo 01:45, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempting to add Hebrew

message: This distribution is for the official Spears/Mattel game. However in the United States Selchow & Righter/Hasbro released a set for American use with a slightly different distribution, which also completely omitted כ.
*2 blank tiles (scoring 0 points)
*1 point: &Heh; (8), &Vav; (12), &Yod; (10), &Resh; (8), &Tav; (9)
*2 points: &Alef; (6), &Lamed; (6), &Mem; (6), &Shin; (6)
*3 points: &Bet; (4), &Daled; (4), &Nun; (4)
*4 points: &Khet; (3), &Peh; (3), &Koof; (3)
*5 points: &Gimel; (2), &Kaf; (2), &Ayin; (2)
*8 points: &Zayin; (1), &Teth; (1), &Samekh; (1), &Tsadi; (1)
:: The above contradicts itself, the letter you mention as missing, כ, is Kaf, and the distribution you show has Kaf at 5 points. The only change from the distribution shown above and the distribution given on the main page is Bet (3 points shown above and 4 points in the main article). HumphreyW (talk) 07:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hebrew

message: The page was recently edited by 96.242.156.9 without any discussion. I feel that in most cases people visiting the page would most likely be interested in the English distribution. This is on the English Wiki so it would seem natural, although I have no evidence to support that claim, it is just my opinion. If there is no objection I suggest that this be reverted to putting English first and the other languages follow in alphabetical order. HumphreyW (talk) 00:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I’d support that. —Wiki Wikardo 14:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for reminding me. I have done it. HumphreyW (talk) 14:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dang, man, whatchu have a big red alarm bell that go off every time something on your watchlist is modified? —Wiki Wikardo 02:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetised? Suggest putting English back at the top. 

message: I'm removing the sentence about Spanish spelling reforms, since it's irrelevant. The reforms of 1994 did not remove the letters ch and ll from the Spanish alphabet. They only affected the way these letters are alphabetized. 
Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas, 1st ed.: "[...] en el X Congreso de la Asociación de Academias de la Lengua Española, celebrado en 1994, se acordó adoptar el orden alfabético latino universal, en el que la ch y la ll no se consideran letras independientes. En consecuencia, las palabras que comienzan por estas dos letras, o que las contienen, pasan a alfabetizarse en los lugares que les corresponden dentro de la c y de la l, respectivamente. Esta reforma afecta únicamente al proceso de ordenación alfabética de las palabras, no a la composición del abecedario, del que los dígrafos ch y ll siguen formando parte."
The last sentence, translated, reads: "This reform affects only the process of alphabetical ordering, not the composition of the alphabet, of which the digraphs ch and ll continue to be part."
--ABehrens (talk) 15:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it doesn’t. Have you tried actually reading the page? —Wiki Wikardo 14:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish 

message: The article lists 103 letters for Welsh, but when you add up the totals, there are 105 tiles lists.  I'm unable to find another reference for Welsh tile distribution, so I'm unable to verify if 103 is correct and the tile distribution is wrong, or if the tile distribution is correct and the total wrong.  (or both, maybe)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheTomahawk (talk • contribs) 14:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welsh 

message: Malaysian language redirects to Malay; I’d think that the letter distributions for Standard Malay and Indonesian would be the same, despite the slight differences between them. I will edit the section accordingly pending any objection. —Wiki Wikardo 14:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a cite for the Malaysian or Indonesian sets? It would be really good to enhance the citations in the article. I am not sure about the Indonesian distribution, if you are sure it is the same as Malaysian then put it in. But if you are just guessing that I don't think it would be a good idea to put it based upon a hunch. HumphreyW (talk) 15:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malay 

message: Why aren't the scrabble letters for Swedish in alphabetical order? Moberg (talk) 01:08, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The order follows the same convention as the other languages.  Within groups of letters with the same point value, arranged by descending frequency number.  Letters with identical frequency arranged alphabetically. Gr8white (talk) 00:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish letter order 

message: The Latin letter distribution set seems to be missing some letters. Can someone update this?99.158.45.109 (talk) 21:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a link, or some other source material, that shows a different distribution? HumphreyW (talk) 21:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here, there is one, but it's quite different from the Centre for Medieval Studies --Unjoanqualsevol (talk) 18:02, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin list incomplete? 

message: Hi, I own a Basque Scrabble clone, called Euskarbel. Current tiles distribution is right.So, how can prove it? Is ti enough just posting a photo somewhere and citing?--Unjoanqualsevol (talk) 09:49, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Basque Scrabble

message: Would a Serbian Cyrillic version of Scrabble have the same point values as Croatian (Latin) Scrabble?
Are there versions of Serbian Cyrillic Scrabble that exist out there?
It would be nice if there were a Serbian Cyrillic version of Scrabble?
Are Bosnian and Serbian words allowed in Croatian Scrabble? Are you allowed to use Serbian spellings of Croatian words such as reči? Or Lijepa as opposed to Lepa. Strojnica as opposed to Mitraljez. Are the Serbian months allowed to be used in Croatian Scrabble? Such as Februar, Mart, April, Maj, Juni, Juli, August, Septembar ,  Oktobar, Novembar, Decembar. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble_letter_distributions#Croatian
Can you use Serbian words with Croatian Scrabble?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.253.104.103 (talk) 01:51, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbian Cyrillic Scrabble 

message: Though providing this Esperanto-language tile list may not be a violation of a copyright, I feel that the information source of this list might be in violation which places a shadow over the "officialness" of this list. The website that is linked to as the source of this list [skrablo.ikso.net/regularo.php] appears to be a site that markets an unlicensed software version of Scrabble for the Esperanto language. I identify it as unlicensed as there is no reference or trade mark given identifying the owner of the brand (Hasbro or JW Spear and Sons) which usually is required to be indicated. Unlike "unauthorized" versions that are produced in countries where Hasbro and J.W. Spear and Sons have yet to produce a version of the game, this appears to be solely for a language that may not have had a tile set produced. Also absent is any indication that an official body that oversees the language of Esperanto has authorized this version. Though I can not be sure of this latter statement as I am far from qualified with the Esperanto language as the site seems to be written in.
Should the current Esperanto-language tile distribution portion of the article be deleted?  Stuart M Klimek (talk) 09:24, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esperanto-language tile distribution 

message: Probably this is the distribution:	
*2 blank tiles (scoring 0 points)	
*1 point: E ×16, I ×11,A ×10, O ×9, R ×9, S ×8
*2 points: D ×5, N ×5, F ×4, L ×4, M ×4, U ×4	
*3 points: J ×3, P ×3, T ×3, G ×2, K ×2, V ×2, Y ×2	
*4 points: C ×2
*5 points: W ×2
*6 points: B ×1
*7 points: H ×1	
*8 points: Q ×1
*9 points: X ×1
*10 points: Z ×1
 Can someone confirm this? Are my point values right? The letter numbers are probably right but are the point values right?
This game seems to have been played using the English set, omitting the Q, X, and Z and turning one C and one V into blanks.
Pinoy Scrable seems to be a language-mixed(!) version of Scrabble, played using the English set.
There exists also a Baybayin Scrabble. Burzuchius (talk) 20:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Filipino

message: I have made corrections to the tile distribution count of the Catalan Super Scrabble variant,
yet the inclusion of this distribution may have been incorrectly included in the first place. 
I would infer from the blog article cited ("Superscrabble...en diferido" http://scrabblequeimada.blogspot.com/2008_05_01_archive.html) that this variant is an independent and experimental set, and there might be no distribution for this set whatsoever. The creation of this variant set may exist under the "fair use" right used by educational institutions, yet it may not be valid under the same copyrights as marketed sets. Is there evidence that this variant set is authorized? If not, should this part of the article be removed? Stuart M Klimek (talk) 18:20, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Catalan Super Scrabble

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message: It is the current tile distribution and values that are important for a language-set of Scrabble, yet in many of the sections there are lists that provide other than the current or, due to the differing market-places,  shared current versions for the language. If one finds the following information of import for the article, perhaps one can tackle it with more clarity. The following information was gathered principally from www.scrabbleforbundet.se. with supporting information from www.gtoal.com/scrabble/details/swedish, stp.lingfil.uu.se/~starback/scrabble/historia.html, and  comments found in reviews listed in boardgamegeek.com, et alis. 
The first edition of Alfapet, the Swedish version of Scrabble, was produced in 1954. The tile differences compared to the current Scrabble version for the Swedish language is it had one additional T and one less Z (i.e., no Z tile). Also, the C tile had a value of 10. Produced sometime after 1956 and before 1961, the second edition of Alfapet had a different tile distribution. The distribution of the letter-tiles that were different than the current distribution were: 1B, 10E, 9N, 4O, 1P, 6S, and 2U. Compared to the first edition, the C tile had been re-valued to 5 points, the newly introduced Z tile was valued at 10 points, and there was one less T tile. With the third edition, but for the T and Z tiles, the original distribution was re-established, and the value of the C tile had reverted back to 10 points with the now extant Z tile re-valued to 8 points. Circa 2002, when Alga, the producer of the Swedish Scrabble under the name Alfapet, lost its license to Mattel the distribution and values of the set underwent one more revision, with the only change being the values of the C and Z tiles. The values were swapped -- the C is now 8 and the Z is now 10.
120.29.73.62 (talk) 18:28, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alfapet - Swedish Scrabble 

message: In 2016, a different set of Scrabble tiles for the Icelandic language was made available under the name Krafla, an Icelandic word meaning "Scrabble". The newer version reduces the number of tiles from 104 to 100 with an adjustment to some of the letter tiles in value and quantity. The newer distribution is as follows:
    2 blank tiles (scoring 0 points)
    1 point: A ×11, R ×8, I ×7, N ×7, S ×7 
    2 points: T ×6, U ×6, L ×5, Ð ×4, K ×4, M ×3
    3 points: E ×3, F ×3, G ×3, Á ×2, Ó ×2
    4 points: Æ ×2, H ×1, Í ×1, Ú ×1
    5 points: B ×1, D ×1, O ×1, P ×1, V ×1, Ý ×1
    6 points: J ×1, Y ×1, Ö ×1
    7 points: É ×1, Þ ×1
    10 points: X ×1  
The above information can currently be verified with the following links, with the first link providing the new distribution and values:
https://malbeinid.wordpress.com/2016/11/06/ordaleikur-eda-skrafl/
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgameversion/333276/icelandic-edition-2016
http://www.visir.is/g/2016161029563/krafla-komid-a-markad-eftir-eins-og-halfs-ars-framleidslu
As I do not read or speak Icelandic I can not be certain of the facts, yet my understanding of what I have read is the language set is made for the game of Scrabble and is indicated to have been the officially sanctioned set in the Nationals Skrafl (Scrabble) tournament in Iceland, it may not be a licensed version by Mattel.
In addition to the Krafla distribution, it is hinted that there was a different set composed for the Icelandic language prior to the one presently listed. But for the tile values and the unverified recollection of the cited article's author regarding the number of E's, the letter values given for that unverified set are as follows:
    1 point: A, E, I, N, S, T, U 
    2 points: G, L, Ð
    3 points: F, K, M              
    4 points: Á, D, H, Í, O, V
    5 points: Þ
    6 points: B, J, Ó, Y, Æ          
    8 points: É, P, Ú, Ö
    9 points: Ý
    10 points: X   
I leave it to someone who has more complete information and writing skill to edit the Wikipedia article.
120.29.75.137 (talk) 12:35, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icelandic Scrabble - Krafla 

message: Several different versions of Arabic Scrabble can be found on the internet. Not an owner of a version produced by Mattel, I am unaware if there is one or more Arabic-language sets produced by the licensing company. There are differences that exist in the letter forms in many Arabic or Arabic-based alphabets to that of the standard modern Arabic. These differences can be seen in the variety of sets that exist. I would assume that several of the versions may be bootleg variants made to accommodate the differences. A picture of a score pad provided in one set [ http://www.gtoal.com/wordgames/images/ArabicScores.jpeg] has created a question about the alif hamza. In the present article there are two 10-point alif hamza tiles and eight 1-point alif tiles. The score pad shows what appears to be eight 1-point alif hamza tiles and two 10-point tiles of the short form of the letter yeh with a hamza above. Could someone confirm the correct tiles for the Mattel-licensed version of Arabic? Is there more than one authorized Arabic language set?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuart M Klimek (talk • contribs) 15:10, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic Scrabble 

message: Distribution is listed as 100 (98 letters + 2 blanks), but the sum of the distributions adds to 101 (99 + 2).  This inconsistency also appears in the source article, which states "[this edition uses] 100, [with the letters mapped] onto only 98 tiles – can’t leave out the blanks!", yet lists individual letter-distributions with a total of 99 (+2).
Also, the table shows "I" as having a distribution of 8, whereas the body text (and the source article) show a distribution of 4. 103.55.47.116 (talk) 00:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglo-Saxon 

message: I cannot open Scrabble3D's slovak.dic file https://sourceforge.net/projects/scrabble/files/Dictionaries/slovak.zip. Can anyone open it to see how many words with Q and W are in it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexlatham96 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 27 Feb 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slovak words with Q and W 

message: If a Latin (Romanized) Greek set exists, it should be added as a separate set. Alexlatham96 (talk) 20:42, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek 

message: I have removed this section because it is a painting. Also, more information is required (I suspect there are 200 tiles). Only source is 
Tentative distribution: 
*2 blank tiles (marked as ᏂᎪᏰᎸᎾ (nigoyelvna)) scoring 0 points
*1 point: Ꭰ (a) ×10, Ꮝ (s) ×9, Ꮅ (li) ×6, Ꭸ (ge) ×4, Ꮖ (qua) ×3, Ꮧ (di) ×3, Ꮪ (du) ×3, Ꮹ (wa) ×3, Ꮳ (tsa) ×2, Ꭴ (u) ×1, Ꭵ (v) ×1, Ꭻ (gu) ×1, Ꮀ (ho) ×1, Ꮏ (hna) ×1, Ꮜ (sa) ×1, Ꮦ (te) ×1, Ꮯ (tli) ×1, Ꮺ (we) ×?, Ꮾ (wv) ×?, Ᏺ (yo) ×?
*2 points: Ꭶ (ga) ×6, Ꮎ (na) ×3, Ꮑ (ne) ×3, Ꮡ (su) ×3, Ꭿ (hi) ×2, Ꮟ (si) ×2, Ꮕ (nv) ×1, Ꮮ (tle) ×1, Ꮰ (tlo) ×1, Ꮼ (wo) ×1, Ꭺ (go) ×?, Ꮉ (ma) ×?, Ᏻ (yu) ×?
*3 points: Ꮃ (la) ×6, Ꮈ (lv) ×1, Ꮤ (ta) ×1, Ꮷ (tsu) ×1, Ꮿ (ya) ×1, Ꭱ (e) ×?, Ꮠ (so) ×?
*4 points: Ꮒ (ni) ×3, Ꮩ (do) ×2, Ꭷ (ka) ×1, Ꮄ (le) ×1,  Ꮸ (tsv) ×1, Ꮻ (wi) ×1, Ꮊ (me) ×?, Ꮗ (que) ×?, Ꮭ (tla) ×?
*5 points: Ꭹ (gi) ×5, Ꮫ (dv) ×3, Ᏼ (yv) ×3, Ꮥ (de) ×2, Ꮞ (se) ×1? (maybe 2), Ꭳ (o) ×?, Ꮴ (tse) ×?
*6 points: Ᏸ (ye) ×2, Ꮁ (hu) ×1, Ꮆ (lo) ×1, Ꮋ (mi) ×1?, Ꮘ (qui) ×1?, Ꮨ (ti) ×1, Ꮲ (tlv) ×1, Ꮶ (tso) ×1?, Ᏹ (yi) ×1?
*7 points: Ꮣ (da) ×6, Ꭼ (gv) ×1, Ꭾ (he) ×1?, Ꮂ (hv) ×1?, Ꮌ (mo) ×1?, Ꮓ (no) ×1?, Ꮔ (nu) ×1?, Ꮬ (dla) ×1?
*8 points: Ꭲ (i) ×2, Ꮇ (lu) ×1, Ꮛ (quv) ×1, Ꮽ (wu) ×1?
*9 points: Ꭽ (ha) ×6, Ꮙ (quo) ×1?, Ꮚ (quu) ×1?, Ꮢ (sv) ×1, Ꮱ (tlu) ×1, Ꮵ (tsi) ×1?
*10 points: Ꮍ (mu) ×1?
Note that Ꮐ (nah) has no tile because it is used extremely infrequently in Cherokee. It is unknown if a blank can be used as a Ꮐ (nah). The letter Ᏽ (mv) also has no tile, because this letter is no longer used in Cherokee.
Alexlatham96 (talk) 06:29, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cherokee 

message: I found something called Kuputupu. this image shows the following distribution:
*2 blank tiles (scoring 0 points)
*1 point: A ×13, E ×10, I ×10, U ×10, O ×9
*2 points: R ×7, T ×7, K ×5
*3 points: N ×7, H ×5
*4 points: P ×5
*5 points: M ×5, W ×4
*10 points: G ×3
Alexlatham96 (talk) 06:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: --Keyacom (💬 | 🖊) 16:50, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maori 

message: Several of the versions are given as being "not an official edition by Mattel".  Does this mean they are unofficial editions by Mattel, or they are/were made by a different company?  Furthermore, some are referred to as "Scrabble sets", some state that they have different names, and others make no comment on the name.
If a given version is not made by Mattel or another company licensed thereby then, surely, it is not Scrabble, any more than online variants like Words With Friends, Lexulous and Jamble are Scrabble.  So while the letter values/distributions of these versions may be interesting, they are off-topic for a page called "Scrabble letter distributions".  If this isn't meant to be a comparison of Scrabble editions, but a comparison of Scrabble editions and unofficial variants, then the likes of WWF, Lexulous and Jamble should be included for completeness, and the page renamed.  That said, I can see that listing all the unofficial variants we can find would make the page very long.  What do people think we should do? — Smjg (talk) 21:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: - I do want to split this article to include distributions not made by Mattel (or by any other company under the license of Mattel, e.g. the Icelandic version) in a separate article. --Keyacom (💬 | 🖊) 14:07, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

text: I think the definition of 'official' would be that it's produced and sold by Mattel, Hasbro, or a company licensed by them. I would also make a distinction between variants that are different purely based on language (the focus of this article), and games with fundamentally different rules (which should be listed on Scrabble variants). I would be in favour of keeping the unofficial language variants on this article, but with more consistently and clearly indicating whether a language variant is official, with a reference to either being for sale by Hasbro/Mattel, or wherever else it's from. One way of doing that would be an initial 'Summary' section, with a table indicating their official-status, as well as other stuff like number of tiles. Many other list articles do something similar. - odg (talk) 09:53, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Agreed. The article has grown to the point that it now encompasses games like Equate that are completely unrelated to Scrabble. In addition, the infoboxes are unnecessary. They only repeat the same information contained in the article and are now wrecking the formatting because there are so many of them. (Look at where the text for French is and where the infobox is.) - Richferrara (talk) 16:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unofficial editions 

message: Image here, full distribution unknown.Alexlatham96 (talk) 07:21, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swahili Scrabble 

message: See here, this is called "Scramble" and you use the dictionary for possible words, unlike Scrabble. Alexlatham96 (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chipewyan Scrabble 

message: See []
1 point:  ⴰ x16, ⵙ x9, ⵜ x8, ⵉ x?, ⵏ x?, ⵡ x4
2 points: ⵖ x4, ⵣ x?, ⵓ x4 
? points: ⴻ x3, 
4 points: ⴷ x2, ⴼ x2
? points: ⵛ x1, ⵟ x1
The remaining distribution is unknown.Alexlatham96 (talk) 00:28, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tifinagh Scrabble 

message: See here. The complete distribution is similar to Pismenkovka's, except that it has 4 T's and 2 X's. Alexlatham96 (talk) 20:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech KrisKros Klasik 

message: In Scrabble letter distributions#Lithuanian, the given image depicts an illegal board position. Specifically, the top-left section, containing the words KOP, SALA, SVERS, and VEMK, is disconnected from the rest of the crossword and, therefore, could never have been played legally. Besenj (talk) 16:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lithuanian example board is illegal 

message: "Italian-language Scrabble applied a special rule that when a player exchanges tiles on his turn, he could request opponent to pass his turn."
Two questions:
(1) Does this mean that Italian Scrablle applied (past tense) the special rule, but no longer does? (1a) When did the rule get dropped?
(2) Does "request" mean simply request, or does it mean "require"?  If it means simply "request", then surely the same thing could legally be done anywhere in the world without any change to the formal rules.  But if it means "require", that's a significant difference.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.138.36.64 (talk) 07:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian Scabble: Clarification Needed