Talk:List of Bosniaks

message: I.e. Meša Selimović declared as a Serb, not as a Muslim by nationality and especially not as a Bosniak which didn't exist that time!93.86.103.181 (talk) 00:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Clear Serbs from the list!

message: Just 1 woman out of 38 Bosniaks. Seems a bit one sided.
: Well, you can fix it yourself by adding more important Bosniak women to the list. :-) bogdan | Talk 16:45, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Strongly disagree. Big difference between "Bosnians" and "Bosniaks". Live Forever 04:05, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Kulin Ban should be taken out since its ahistorical to describe any bosnian ruler from that period as a "Bosniak" "Croat" or "Serb". However, Mehmed Pasa should be put back in. Live Forever 17:57, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes; but do not forget that Kulin Ban identifed himself as a ruler of Bošnjani. I see no reason to put here Sokolović. In fact, it would be wrong; since it would make the reader think that Bosniaks are Serb converts! Mehmed had only one connection with the current Bosniaks - religion and place of birth. It is not appropriate to consider him that way just because of that; I think. What do you think? HolyRomanEmperor 12:39, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You should stop spreading anachronism. Radovan Karadžić did the same thing and where is he now, in the woods of Serbia or Montenegro. I am not interested in Serb mythology.--Emir Arven 17:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, then we can change the list of Serbs, taking out Bosniaks and Croats...--Emir Arven 17:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Now you're talking my language! :) I am glad that we could find a mutual language (finally). Let's start with Ivo Andrić shall we, my friend? --HolyRomanEmperor 17:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said before, I think you are pathetic...--Emir Arven 17:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please stop referring to personal insults after you manage to achieve communication. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont attack you, I said my opinion, that doesnt have to be a fact, that is my POV, because you already lied about me for a few times. --Emir Arven 17:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text:  I admitted to everyone that I was being rough and almost lying about you (even to RxStrange Love and defended you in the fact of User:Izehar) I even APOLOGIZED to you (which by the way, you deleted or archived). I now said that I want to work with you (and cooperation with you according to your proposal), you rebuffed what you said previously, and against resorted to personal attacks. haven't you ever heard of white peace? --HolyRomanEmperor 18:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Mehmed Pasa Sokolovic was a Serb. While I removed Tvrtko and Stephen II because there is no evidence on their Bosniak nationality; I removed Kulin Ban not at my proposal, but at User:Live_Forever's. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are confused. Once time Bosniak was resident of Bosnia. Simple as that. And you can't change that fact, prove me that Tvrtko wasn't in my backyard in Visoko where i live? Or that grave that i visited was fake? Or town Visoki? Or Mile? Or Mostre? Come on. That was center of mediveal Bosnian state, and it is crazy to remove them. Be reasonable. Please. --HarisM 22:42, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All people that lived in Bosnia called themselves Bosniaks or in Bosnian language (Bosnjani). --Emir Arven 16:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Bosniaks 

message: Someone forgot to add one of the greatest Yugoslav actors. --HolyRomanEmperor 19:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zijah Sokolović 

message: ... seems sufficient to me :). Just may I take myself some liberty and add a bit or two? (Note: I hereby regard the reply of User:Live_Forever as self-sufficient, I only wish to take iliberty to note a thing or two. 
1. Mahmud Pasa Sokoli (sorry for the Turkish name, I just like it more this way :) was Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire from 1565 to 1579.
2. Ivo clearly states that his Ivan Sokolović name is more a suggestion than a historical compilation, but I heard from User:Damir_Mišić that actually Meša Selimović was a proud Muslim himself, so I don't really think that he would've been swayed so much in the face of Serbian nationalism. 
3. Although it is well-known that Mehmed Pasa Sokolovic was an all-rounder (we know all the mosques and bridges; Ivo Andric actually explained all his life's contributions), it is true that he is the one who personally funded the reconstruction of the infrastructure of the Serbian Orthodox Church. Unlike the "Orthodox" Sokolovici, we can with certainity say that he funded many of the churches and monasteries. Note also that only the period of his rule is the period when the Serb nation grew rapidly in numbers, and that the Serbs were generally, well-accepted and lived peacefully in the empire. Note that immediatly after Mahmud's death riots among Serbs start and some Churches are even burned; a process which last all the way to 1766 when the Serb Orthodox Church was cancelled. There are also no other Grand Viziers that contributed to the Serb Orthodox Church other than him. This third part is actually a note, and does not describe of his "Serbian" origin.
4. You also pointed out that both of Mahmud's brothers have converted to Islam. From which religion? It is unlikely that they converted from Catholicism, so we again fall down to Orthodox Christianity.
All this sum up to one thing: I think that it is a too big coincidence. Anyway, regardless if we accept the theory that a number of Bosniaks are actually directly converted Croats and/or Serbs or not; there is still sufficient info to regard him as a Bosniak. The only doubts I had is because while he was Muslim, he wasn't in Bosnia... but nm. --HolyRomanEmperor 22:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mehmed Pasa answer 

message: Is Yasemin Dalkilic a Bosniak ? She's Turkish and has a common turkish first name,but her last name sounds very Bosniak. Can someone clarify ? - Sid
:I'm assuming she's a Turk of Bosniak ancestry. Not at all uncommon. Live Forever 05:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yasemin Dalkilic 

message: I'll remove those two becouse they were Croats. Rustem-pasha was named Rustem Pasha Hirwat (becouse of his croatian nationality) and Kulenović was croatian nationalist...--Wustefuchs (talk) 10:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Rustem Pasha]] and [[Džafer-beg Kulenović]]

message: I'll remove Fikret Abdić and so-called first bosnian composer, becouse it is clearly he was Croat, and that is not a debate, but clear thing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wustefuchs (talk • contribs) 18:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal

message: Writers: Musa Ćazim Ćatić, Mak Dizdar and Enver Čolaković were Croats.
M. Ć. Ćatić was Croat and he wrote too many songs about his patriotism he felt for Croatian people, see some of those songs here.
Mak Dizdar also, the same thing with Ćatić...
Čolaković was Ustasha supporter, and croatian nationalist, his works were forbiden in communist Yugoslavia.
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Meša Selimović was a Serb.--Wustefuchs (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: One Removal more

message: I oppose the merger of these 2 articles because List of Bosniaks implies that those persons are Bosnian Muslims, and we have 3 constitutive ethnic groups in Bosnia&Hercegovina. List of people from Bosnia and Herzegovina and List of Bosniaks are 2 separate things. Adrian (talk) 11:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. These are two different things. I'll remove the tag AndrewRT(Talk) 22:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge?