Talk:Ero guro

message: — Assignment last updated by Dslaym (talk) 13:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

message: Hmm... EroGuro and Ero-guro pretty much refer to same thing. The article for the EroGuro seems to be more general ("an artistic, cultural and music sub-genre" ... "expanded its proverbial tendrils into parts of Japanese theatre, art, manga, and eventually film" etc), though it's under the category Japanese styles of music. Ero-guro seems to focus only on the visual aspect in art and manga. How about merging the two articles under the category Japanese art? Ketsumaru 08:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: You'll probably find more referenses under "Erotic Grotesque Nonsense" originally a film/literary movement. There is probably little on the current Visual Kei movement in verifiable publication outside of Japanese sources. 
I think the article needs to clearly distingish between the original literay movements, (20s-30's japan) and EroGuro in Manga, and EroGuro in music (1990s).  This is probably lacking because the articles were merged.  Inugami Circus-Dan is definately Angura Kei, so I removed them and added a bit about it.  The original movements are pretty clearly separate, but they get blurred when applied to modern music movements (because they both happened in music around the same time).  I also removed Alice Nine, if someone wants to explain whats erotic and grotesque about them here, give it a shot. It would be nice to see more information on the original movement from pre WWII Japan as well Denaar 17:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Erotic Grotesque Nonsense

message: Is that section an outright joke or just poorly phrased? 70.53.99.121 23:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: In war atrocities

message: I realize it can be difficult to describe an artistic/musical style or movement without concrete examples, but I really don't think this article conveys any sense of what EroGuro is really like. I had never heard of visual kei before, but upon looking it up, and discovering the description and examples of Mana, Malice Mizer, etc, I understand pretty well what visual kei refers to now. The article just needs some work is all. LordAmeth 00:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Project assessment

message: There appears to be a recently-emergent subset of Elegant Gothic Lolita known as "Guro Lolita" which seems to entail dressing in basic Lolita fashion, "gored up" with the addition of fake blood, bloodstained eyepatches, bandages etc. - basically looking like a mutilated doll or "Zombie Lolita". There isn't a seperate Guro Lolita entry, and currently there is only a very brief one-line mention of it in the main Lolita fashion entry. My own experienceof gurololi is soley through contact in the BJD world, so I don't really feel confident to add to the main article at present. Arkady Rose 06:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guro Lolita

message: I feel that this page needs a picture or something-DESU 11:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the image for now, since an explicit display of gore is probably not appropriate for a general purpose encyclopedia. Certainly someone can provide an image that only qualifies as unusual or weird, as opposed to downright disturbing. - Cyrus XIII 22:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll see what I can do. I've uploaded IwaAndIzaemonCover.jpg, if you think it passes muster feel free to add it, as I'm not sure how to add a thumbnail image to an article.  I felt it was a good preview of what can be found in guro without being overly gross. MassiveDamage 04:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, because everybody knows anything with offensive content is automatically a social critique. *rolleyes* —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.108.26.204 (talk) 01:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Guro is gross; that's what it's named after. We can't have an image that shows guro without it being gross; we can't have an image that shows guro without offending a large portion of visitors. It won't be guro if it doesn't. Per WP:NOTCENSORED, I think this line of argument is off, as a potential image would be illustrating the subject matter. The bigger problem, I think, is finding an illustration that properly treats the subject; eroguro is an incredibly loose subject. Estemi (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This needs an illustration

message: Is ero-guro really a legit genre? I mean, the work of Suehiro Maruo legitimately passes for art and commands respect among critics and artists of various domains including people like John Zorn whereas Waita Uziga follows comletely different patterns, i.e. his mangas can be rightfully labelled as something like 'fake sÄnuff' and those particularly seem to either appeal to people with certain, um,  deviant, extremely sadistic sexual tendencies or others who at the best simply look for shock value.
Furthermore the musicians mentioned in this article don't relate to Uziga and his ilk at all, so the overall lumping of people (and their art/'art') in the same kind of genre doesn't make any sense. I suggest the creation of sub-genres based on a general differentiation between those mentioned above. I'd appreciate it if someone who is knowledgeable enough on this matter and the Japanese language would improve or rewrite the article. -Unsigned
:For kicks, I did a Yahoo japan (an auction site) search for Erogoro (エログロ). If Erogoro is really applied to modern pornographic comics in Japan, considering the amount of key word spam used on auction sites, I would expect to see a lot of hits.  I only hit 21 items - videos, old movies, some random horror movies, and novels. . Definately articles like this  about Suehiro Maruo seem to show that the Erogoro tag is a good one - but I searched the author's official website and the term didn't show up .  Should the comics be moved to some sort of H Manga article as a sub-section or remain here?
:Next I searched the Japanese wiki, but articles that use the term (no articles with erogoro in the title) are a bit confusing in the usage. The term is used to describe aspects of bands/music, so I'm still on fence about that one - I'm not finding any really good sources for it otherwise.  There are quite a few bands under the Visual Kei genre that use the term in song titles. 
:The main subject is a film/literature movement from the 20s(-40s?) in Japan, and there is a request for more references.  Since I last visited this article, a book came out in English about it:  
There is an abstract from a paper here  by Mark Driscoll, University of Michigan.  There is also an article by Jim Reichert The Journal of Japanese (a journal with a strict peer review).  The web is just crawling with good sources.  Maybe for now the well documented "cultural movement" can be expanded, and the have "manga influenced by" and "music influenced by" as two sub sections? Denaar 05:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While working on the Sada Abe article recently, I came across a reference to the EroGuro movement, mentioning that the "Sada Abe Incident" of 1936 came to represent the genre for years afterwards. I don't have the book with me now, but will put a citation to it in the article in a couple of days. Also, Sada appeared in one of director Teruo Ishii's films in 1969, and, as the article notes, he is associated with the term "EroGuro" in 1960s cinema. Dekkappai 19:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Some of the atrocities committed in that massacre might've been fed by ero guro and I wonder if there's any evidence out there of that. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 20:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: I wonder if eroguro played any role in the [[Nanking Massacre]]?

message: Gurochan.net seems to be a known forum for this kind of imagery. Would it be right to mention it in the external links? Schoolstage (talk) 17:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Gurochan

message: This article conflates the two senses of the word guro. It lists many eromanga artists as ones who were apart of the movement, but in fact they have little to do with the "ero guro nansensu" movement of Showa era Japan. The Japanese Wikipedia has two separate articles for "ero guro" and "ero guro nansensu", and I propose that we follow that model. I plan on adding another article specifically about "guro" and editing this page to disassociate the conflations with the pornographic genre.Konomu (talk) 05:02, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning on adding a new article to separate "guro" as a pornographic genre and the "ero guro nansensu" artistic movement 

message: I opted to start a new page at ero guro nansensu as Donald recommended. I would like you all to help me edit this page so it's less connected to the ero guro nansensu movement. Ero guro nansensu is a style that heavily takes its influences from ero guro, but ero guro art predates the ero guro nansensu movement. There has also been pornographic art in recent years (i.e. Henmaru Machino and Uziga Waita) mentioned in the article that don't necessarily fit into the ero guro nansensu movement.Konomu (talk) 09:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Good start. I really know nothing about the subject (my edits to this article have mainly been reverting vandalism), so I probably won't be making substantive edits. I haven't added a template asking for citations to the ero guro nansensu article because you have just started it, but I would request that you provide more citations to reliable sources in the article. - Donald Albury 13:58, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have started the ero guro nansensu page 

message: The content in Ero guro and Ero guro nansensu is failing to distinguish between the two terms/genres, and either needs to merge back into a single article or be properly written as two articles on two distinct topics.  Probably 80% of the material in the EG article is about EGN, and the EGN aricle makes no mention of EG as something distinct.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:39, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion with ''ero guro nansensu'' - merge or better split? 

message: I've found two sources that I don't think have been used in this page, here they are in case anyone wants to use them to expand the page.
* https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/10/nsfw-japanese-gore-erotica-is-slowly-catching-on-in-the-west/
* https://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/32596/1/ero-guro
Di (they-them) (talk) 01:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two more sources