Talk:Zakynthos

message: Soon will be an interesting photo album dedicated to the island in this address: http://www.geocities.com/zakynthos/index.html
I ll trying my best to finish it as soon as posible to offer a minimum photo tribute to this marvelus place covering old and today times.
When will it be live?
:Geocities is gone so never I guess.-Schnurrbart (talk) 02:38, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
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message: Just wanted to let you know i did some grammer fixes towards the end of the article. I had a little trouble deciphering a few of your comments. If I mangled it, let me know.
--David Kain 15:51, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some minor edits 

message: I wonder if any body could tell me which one of these is right as the article is called Zakinthos bit on Microsoft AutoRoute 2005 it is spelt Zákinthos.
London UK 18:01, 07 Mar 2006 (UTC/GMT)
I belive it is the later of the two, however, that can not be displayed on WP because not all computers support an international typeface. Merry Christmas- Kaspazes 16:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zakynthos or Zákynthos

message: Zante redirects to this article without any explanation here. Is this a misdirected link, or is Zante an alternative name for the island, or what?. -- Chris j wood 18:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Zante is a short form of Zakinthos, most commonly heard by the British. AxG (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Us americans do it too. Merry Christmas- Kaspazes 16:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does Zante link here? 

message: Wikipedia is not a tourist guide or a directory. I suggest we don't need so many links to local entities like radio stations in the second half of the article; and certainly not when they lack their own WP articles. (A profusion of external links looks more like an advertising directory than a Wikipedia article).  We also shouldn't require the complete list of football clubs, since there is already a separate article on the Zakynthos Football Clubs Association that can be referred to. Let me know if anyone objects to my taking away entries that lack their own WP articles. EdJohnston (talk) 15:16, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I absolutely agree, either there is no bias to the 'Communications' listing (which there appears to be as the free on-line community magazine, written by the community for the community keeps getting deleted despite it's lack of commerciality unlike the radio stations - which by the way are all from the same media company mogul Stigma). this listing must be treated fairly or not feature!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gladstone100 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Per 'Wikipedia is not a directory,' I have gone ahead and removed the individual football clubs and the 'Communications' section. I would welcome any further discussion on that. Regarding Gladstone100's comment, I'd need to be persuaded that a free online community magazine deserves coverage here, unless it has been covered by reliable sources that show it to be notable. Inclusion here should depend on its importance, not whether it is commercial or not. EdJohnston (talk) 04:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large number of red links 

message: Althought this page is a really nice effort so Zakynthos will have a reference in Wikipedia, as the above have mentioned it it looks like an advertising directory rather than a wp article. it is not cited at all and it contains a couple of inacurate facts. for example in the list of important people in the end you'll see the surname tsoukalas repeating 3 times refered as "royalties" of zakinthos. Since i am Zakitnhian myself i do not recognize those names and certainly we do not have any "royalties". Also the writer says that we live under democracy for the last 650 years which is utterly incorect unless he things that the consegio (council) of the nobility of the island consisting of 150 people most of which of venetian or norman ancestry represents the entire island during the venetian rule. I intent during the next days to re-write and change the entire page. 
Layout of the page after the changes:
1) General information about zakynthos:  where is located and it's climate
2) Geology of the island : what are the main geological characteristics of the island and formation facts
3) History of the name "Zakynthos" and where it derives
4) Divisions of the island (it will be kept as it is)
5) History of Zakynthos island.
   5.1 Earliest settlements - Colonization of the island - Participarion in the Trojan war
   5.2 Ancient history up to the Roman Conquest
   5.3 Roman Conquest of the island - Byzantine Empire 
   5.4 Latin Conquest of the island
   5.5 Venetian Rule 1485
   5.6 Napoleonic - Russo-turkish Occupation 1797
   5.7 British protectorate 1815
   5.8 The Role of Zakinthos in the Greek war of indipendence 1821
   5.9 The annexation by greece 1864 up to the earthquake of 1953
   5.10 Earthquake of 1953 and it's effects
   5.11 From 1953 onwards and i will include the references that already exist.
6)Culture : The cultural production of Zakynthos and it's effect on Greece
7)Population : the population of zakinthos and it's religion 
  7.1 The Jewish presence Zakynthos 
  7.2 The Catholic and protestant presence in Zakythos
8) Industy: a historical overview of it and it's nowadays sources of income
9) See also : all the rest in diffirent pages
As for the rest i am not sure yet so i'll need your help. Sure thing is that the prominent people of zakinthos should be in a diffirent page with each analytical biography which i am willing to do. If you have any other suggestions please mention them. To finish my references will be mainly greek and also ancient greek and latin writers since there seems to be nothing really important either online nor published in english in my knowledge. Of course my access in english libraries is limited or nonexistant due to distance. But i am willing to present you any document i am sked of. Yliessian Yliessian (talk) 19:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is poorly cited and needs a major edit 

message: The link to French wiki article (left side of screen) leads to someone called 'Louis Dochez'. I don't know how to arrange this.
:This has been rectified.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.0.42 (talk) 14:04, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong link 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I see there's a complaint about the unsourced text I deleted. It was: 
"According to some sources Saguntum in present-day Spain was founded by the Zakynthians as part of the broader Greek colonisation of the Mediterranean. Some sources claim this occurred 200 years before the Trojan War but this is doubtful/"  
As I said in my edit summary, this isn't mentioned in Saguntum and I'm a strong believer that if there is a main article that any speculation such as this should be mentioned there first. Anything that says there are sources should mention them. And the bit about the Trojan War is anything but helpful to readers, as there are a number of controversies about it ranging from did it occur to if it did when. We call it part of Greek mythology, but the article referred to it as though there was no doubt it happened and when.
As for the alleged founding of Saguntum by Zakynthians, instead of complaining why not add something to Saguntum and copy it here? It took seconds to find an academic sour which says "Saguntum lay a little over a kilometre from the sea, on the site of the modern Spanish town which until 1877 was called Murviedro, though now it has been renamed Sagunto. It was said to have been founded by colonists from the island of Zakynthos, off the northwest coast of the Peloponnese, but this is probably no more than a guess based on the similarity of the names: its coins bore the name “Arse” or “Arseken” and this ma> have given rise to the even more improbable - though in Roman eyes useful - legend that some of its original inhabitants came from Ardea in Latium (Livy 21.7.2). In reality, it was probably a native settlement, though perhaps with some Greek admixture - it appears, in particular, to have had commercial relations with Marseille." Emmanuel, if you feel strongly this alleged founding should be mentioned, by all means do, with a proper source making it clear that it's dubious. The text I deleted seemed to suggest it was likely. And you really need to stop insulting people. You were the one who added text claiming that Zakynthos took part in the Trojan War and was mentioned in the Catalog of Ships, but I see no evidence that you understand that the Trojan War is mythology with some unknown historical basis and that the Catalog of Ships is not what you seem to think it is. Doug Weller talk 14:34, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol. I've corresponded with Cline about his books and now this one well. I've used his works as sources in a number of articles. Here's what that book actually says: "Troy. However, we have seen that there was no specific “Trojan War” that one can definitively point to, at least not as Homer has described it in the Iliad and the Odyssey. Instead, we have found several such Trojan wars and several cities at Troy, enough that one can conclude there is a historical kernel of truth—of some sort-underlying all the stories." If you don't like calling this conflation of stories mythological, ok, but the point is that your edits describe is as though there was a single war and we know more or less what time it took place, enough to date other events that took place after it as taking place 200 years later. You've ignored my point about the Catalog of ships. And you continue with your insults, ignoring WP:AGF. You should also red WP:OWN. Doug Weller talk 14:24, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

text: You mentioned it three times as though it was one war. "Hundreds of years after the Trojan War" and "Some sources claim this occurred 200 years before the Trojan War but this is doubtful. Zakynthos participated in the Trojan War and is listed in the Homeric Catalogue of Ships." Note the word "the". And you failure to note that the Catalog of Ships was almost certainly not written at the traditional time of the Trojan War. Oh, and saying I lack professionalism and backbone is an insult. Doug Weller talk 11:09, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text I deleted 

message: How can an article which purports to cover the literature of Zakynthos not mention Andrea Kalvos, Ugos Foscolos, Antonios Martelaos, Elizavet Martinengou, Antonios Matesis, Grigoris Xenopoulos, Dionysios Romas? All of which are key figures in Zakynthian and Greek letters throughout the 19th and 20th centuries. 
Emmanuel TzannesEmmanuelTzannes (talk) 21:05, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zakynthian literature 

message: Zakynthos was a key link in the chain of the Westernising trend in modern Greek painting resulting in the Heptanese School of Painting. Key artists migrated to the island from Crete after its fall to the Ottoman Turks in 1669, which in turn taught locals to paint. There is a clear chain from Doxaras (father and son), Koutouzis, Kantounis, Tsokos, Kallivokas and Iatras. Many of their works are hung in the National Galley in Athens or the Museum of Post Byzantine Art in Zakynthos. Why is this not mentioned in this Zakynthos article? 
Emmanuel TzannesEmmanuelTzannes (talk) 21:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zakynthian painting 

message: One of the first recorded instances of modern Greek theatre occurred in Zakynthos after the Battle of Lepanto in 1571. Thereafter, the island produced one of the first playwrights of modern Greek theatre in Savoyas Rousmelis. After him followed the crucial figure of Dimitrios Gouzelis and his work, Hasis and then later Antonios Matesis and his work, The Vasilikos. Not only that, Zakynthos has had a continuous tradition of street theatre going back several centuries which has been discussed being recognised by UNESCO. Why isn't this information presented in this article? 
Emmanuel TzannesEmmanuelTzannes (talk) 21:15, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, you appear to know a lot about this. Can you please put this material - on other forms of literature and on painting as well as on theatre -  into the article section so that it is more balanced and correct? With sources? I doubt anyone else is going to come along soon who is as able to do it as you, but it does need sources. I see Drmies cutting material you had added in this edit: the problem I see with that material is it was extremely long but had few sources. This article doesn't need a full characterization of every writer, playwright, and artist: just a brief summary, and for those with no articles, you may want to use the interlanguage link template to link to an article on Greek Wikipedia. But sources are vital. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:09, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zakynthian theatre 

message: Where is a section on the Venetian occupation of Zakynthos? The Zakynthian participation of the Battle of Lepanto? The Rebellion of the Popolari, a critical event Zakynthian and Greek history? Zakynthos and the Orlov Revolt? The burning of the Libro D'Oro? Zakynthians, the Friendly Society and 1821? The British occupation and the Radicals? If one was to read this entry with no knowledge of Zakynthos or the Ionian Islands they would come away thinking nothing has happened since Antiquity. 
Emmanuel Tzannes120.152.183.95 (talk) 01:22, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zakynthos history 

message: I landed on this Zakynthos article because my father was born on the island about 90 years ago. This is a request for someone to add more information about commerce, professions and industry if anyone is familiar or has access to that type of information. How many people are involved in tourism? is any industry critical to the island? What are the primary professions of residents? Could it be considered a retirement island? Anything unusual, like how Crescent City, California has prison few people know about that employs almost 25% of the town? Thanks !! 96.39.163.157 (talk) 03:14, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commerce and Industry