Talk:Gukurahundi

message: Reverted because citation needed, unsourced info, misleading info, conflicting info with sources, too much detail in the lead and info in lead doesn't appear in rest of article per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section# Introductory_text.
*Citation needed: There is no citation that "in Zimbabwe it has the particular reference" nor that it was against just the Ndebele people, or that the term refers just to the attacks by the Fifth Brigade.
*Unsourced info: There is no citation that "perhaps as many as 100,000" died, citations need to be given when adding info per WP:PROVEIT.
*Misleading info: The consensus is not that "tens of thousands were killed", The Catholic Commission for Justice and Peace in Zimbabwe documented at least 3,750 killings, and journalist Heidi Holland referenced a death toll of 8,000.
*Conflicting info with sources: Sources say that the conflict ended in 1987- unclear if Gukurahundi ended at that year- but also imply that involvement of the Fifth Brigade ended in 1984 (see "The 1987 Zimbabwe National Unity Accord and its Aftermath"), so stating that Gukurahundi was an operation just by the Fifth Brigade is conflictive info. 
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section# Introductory_text: "The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article", "Editors should avoid... over-specific descriptions – greater detail is saved for the body of the article." And according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." Information about  Emmerson Mnangagwa is over-specific, because then you would have to put also info about the chief of the armed forces, the chief of police, the prime minister, the president and related officials, it also is not part of a summary because it doesn't appear in the rest of the article, and it seems to be not a basic fact of the article so it shouldn't be included in the lead because it does not appear in the remainder of the article. Thinker78 (talk) 20:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: The current explanation of the term by Wikipedia seems to be at odds with the Catholic Commission for Justice and Peace in Zimbabwe, who says that Gukurahundi was the name Mugabe gave to the 5 Brigade https://web.archive.org/web/20120603092627/http://www.sokwanele.com/pdfs/BTS.pdf. Thinker78 (talk) 00:30, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's both. "Gukurahundi" has multiple meanings in Zimbabwe depending on the context. The literal translation of the word is a reference to the spring storms which occur during the rainy season. In 1978 or 1979, Robert Mugabe defined Gukurahundi as a military strategy of total war, which emphasized carrying ZANU's war effort into towns and civilian homes as opposed to focusing strictly on Rhodesian military targets in the countryside. In fact, he even wrote a booklet describing the strategy of Gukurahundi in great detail. This was entitled "Gore Re Gukurahundi" (Year of Gukurahundi in Shona). When Fifth Brigade was formed, it received the semi-formal nickname "Gukurahundi", which hinted at what its stated goal as a unit was: to attack the roots of political subversion in the civilian populace rather than function as a conventional military unit per se. So at this point we have three different meanings for the word: the unit, the strategy, and the weather phenomenon. Then in 1983 when the purges of civilians in Matabeland began happening, people started calling that "Gukurahundi" too, since that was an example of said strategy being implemented by the brigade of the same name. Today, the latter is the most commonly accepted meaning of the word, and its usage in other contexts has gradually fallen off. --Katangais (talk) 03:09, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: What is Gukurahundi? 

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