Talk:Fugging, Upper Austria

message: There are so many more places the name of the town could be entered into the article with perfect accuracy. It would certainly make it much more readable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.139.9.155 (talk) 19:26, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not for lack of humour. In a reference work like WP, it's more appropriate to use pronouns than to gratuitously re-cite the subject's name. – AndyFielding (talk) 09:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh, have a sense of humor. 

message: It's worth saying that it's famous for its name because its name is spelt like an English bad word. 85.210.158.7 (talk) 21:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is covered adequately. Wikipeterproject (talk) 08:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  And to think I wandered in here entirely at random. 😄 – AndyFielding (talk) 09:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supposed bad word? 

message: Google maps shows the name of the town, and the name of its main road(s) as "Hucking" (observed 16 Nov 2013).  Is there any evidence of how such a change occurred?  The map search was for the original place name.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.150.252 (talk) 04:27, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken a look and it seems that Google has named all the village streets and even some of the nearby roads "Hucking"; however, if you zoom out by one level, the village's limits appear, as does the name Fucking. I think the "Hucking" form is simply a mistake. Quite possibly the compositor refused to believe that a place could be called "Fucking". Kelisi (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

text: You know the public can edit Google Maps, right? – Epicgenius (talk) 16:41, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Maps indicates a change to the town name -- why? 

message: What is the problem with a German town being called Himmelreich ("Kingdom of Heaven")? Does this have some rude double-meaning in German, like "Glory Hole" or something? Muzilon (talk) 08:23, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Himmelreich doesn't have a rude double-meaning at all. Gugganij (talk) 20:49, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm sure you'll agree, though, it's good to get these sorts of things straightened out. – AndyFielding (talk) 09:47, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  German Towns with silly names? 

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message: Since the name of this town "Fucking" is very often mispronounced I want to add the correct pronunciation with a sound file recorded by me and uploaded with my account: soundcloud-link
edit - I have uploaded the file to Wikipedia commons: []
Xamuel1804 (talk) 19:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Could you upload the file to Wikimedia Commons? That way I can add it to the article. If you want to upload the file to commons, you will need to agree to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 (or similar free-use licence), as Wikipedia will only include material is allowed to be used, modified, and redistributed for any purpose, by anybody; although you retain the copyright to your work. Follow the instructions here: Commons:Special:UploadWizard. Thanks, Rob984 (talk) 20:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

text: . Rob984 (talk) 22:20, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015 

message: Since the name of this town "Fucking" is very often mispronounced I want to add the correct pronunciation with a sound file recorded by me and uploaded with my account.
I have uploaded the file to Wikipedia commons: wikipedia commons link
Xamuel1804 (talk) 10:11, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: by  -- Chamith (talk) 06:10, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2015 

message: This article desribes in great detail the controversies and incidents surrounding the name of the town, even including quotations from a local tour guide, the municipality’s mayor and a police chief. One could argue that this kind of detailed information should not be in an encyclopedia. More problematic is the fact that the amount of attention given to this topic is disproportionate concidering the little information that is provided about the town itself. Not surprisingly, this is a problem that occurs often in Wikipedia-articles involving more ‘popular’ topics. Tridek Sep (talk) 13:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The only reason this remote village is so notable is its name, so it is only natural that most of our (and our sources') coverage revolves around that name. Compare, for example, the article about pair of barren islets named Imia/Kardak -- they're notable only because the border dispute, so "the amount of attention given to this topic is [also] disproportionate [to the] information provided about the islets themselves". However, I don't see any problem there -- we assign exactly the due weight (proportional to weight used by our sources) to that particular aspect. No such user (talk) 14:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to be an WP:OSE argument. And maybe indeed, the article about Imia/Kardak should be renamed to better reflect the topic it describes. I don’t think, however, you can compare the relevance of the controversy surrounding the funny name of an Austrian village with a military crisis and subsequent dispute over an Aegean island that started in the 19th century and continues to this day. The fact that a vast amount of sources on the Internet are dedicated to the strange names of villages, does not reflect encyclopedic notability. Wikipedia is not a repository of information found in tabloids and anecdotal websites. The issue can be mentioned, but certainly not with every detail that is now included. Tridek Sep (talk) 16:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: So, would you rather assist in detecting sources that focus more on demographics, economy and culture of Fucking, population 93, or you just prefer drive-by tagging? How does that tag help anyone? How do you propose that we "fix" this "problem"? I've told you already that the only reason why this village is interesting for anyone is its name, and that's what the sources focus on (did you read them). For comparison, its municipal seat of Tarsdorf, pop. 2000, is a substub with infobox and nothing else. Should we delete all the material from this article that is, um, actually interesting to make it more like Tarsdorf, which was (un)fortunate to have a dull name? No such user (talk) 21:08, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be foolish to further elaborate on the demographics, economy or culture of a village with only a few inhabitants. I rather suggest to limit the amount of space given to the section ‘popularity and notoriety’. This is what I meant when I wrote: The issue can be mentioned, but certainly not with every detail that is now included. I apologise if I made myself not clear enough. I also want to point out that being interesting is not and has never been accepted as an excuse to include trivial information on Wikipedia, hence my reference to the concept of encyclopedic notability. You do however add an interesting note when you mention that the article about Tarsdorf (pop. 2,000) is a substub (it only has two sentences!). Even the articles on the region of Innviertel (pop. 215,000) and the entire state of Upper Austria (pop. 1.4 million) are smaller than the article about this little town in question. This is my point exactly. Tridek Sep (talk) 01:30, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: So find something sufficiently interesting about those places to flesh them out, if you wish; your argument seems to be WP:OTHER STUFF DOESNT EXIST, which isn't really any more useful than its opposite. --jpgordon::==( o ) 04:57, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The policy you are referring to seems to be non-existent, hence the red link. Other stuff doesn’t exist is a characteristic of an undue weight problem, though. And while expanding the articles I mentioned would be a good idea, it does not solve the other issue I described. Tridek Sep (talk) 13:00, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, I didn't know that's what a red link meant, and I've only been editing here a decade. Indeed, you are invoking a non-policy. Tell you what, why don't you use your sandbox and put together a version of this article that does not have the problems you describe; then we'll actually have something to discuss.  --jpgordon::==( o ) 13:54, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: From my experience, a red link indicates no such link exists. I am, however, impressed by the fact you've been editing here a decade. Congrats! Tridek Sep (talk) 15:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you like policy-based discussion, here's one for you, WP:BALASPS (bold mine):  Now, if you google:Fucking Austria, 95% of links (and that includes reliable sources therein, and our references as well) deal with just one aspect of the subject...May I suggest that you're taking this issue way too seriously? An encyclopedia should include light-hearted subjects as well, and treat them appropriately, which I believe is the case in this article. But seriously, you aren't being helpful. No such user (talk) 10:31, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Editors should take things seriously. Rather than engage in such personal criticisms, it's better to note that none of User:Tridek Sep's arguments are valid; in fact they are upside down. They mention WP:OSE, which says "comparing with other articles is not, in general, a convincing argument" but then go on about how other articles are smaller than this one so this one should be smaller. They also misuse the notion of notability, which applies to the subject of an article in the context of whether the article should exist, not to individual facts in an article. At the moment, everything in the article is relevant and informative. Jibal (talk) 00:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weight problem 

message: C'mon, this is almost a B-class article! This town isn't even big. It has like a population of 100. There has been an adequate description and a long and interesting history. There's even no citation needed places! Why is it still in Start class? 
Rant by Kevon kevono (talk) 04:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it got your attention, didn't it? – AndyFielding (talk) 09:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why start class? 

message: I grew up in this town, and I want to make sure that the article reflects more about the history rather than the popular association with an offensive English word.  There is more to the town than that.JohannFromFuckingAustria (talk) 21:23, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. JTP (talk • contribs) 22:23, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2017 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect F**king. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 14:59, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "F**king" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Fooking, Austria. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  signed, Rosguill talk 19:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fooking, Austria" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: The intro states that 'fuck' is a profane word. It can be used in a profane manner, but that doesn't mean the word itself is profane, right? Note that I am not a native English speaker, so I'm not sure. DirkvdM (talk) 08:21, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "Fuck" is definitely profane. A50E10AN500ER (talk) 01:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's profane only to native English-speakers. Our article seven dirty words is interesting reading too, about American comedian George Carlin's famous monologue about words you can't say on television. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:59, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's profane in English. Whether an English speaker is "native" is irrelevant. Jibal (talk) 00:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profane word? 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Fugging which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 11:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: I would like to point out that this passage:
"In their 17 November 2020 session, the council of Tarsdorf voted to have the village's name officially changed to Fugging (pronounced [ˈfʊgɪŋ]), effective from 1 January 2021."
is not accurate, and I suggest to either remove the pronunciation part entirely, or change it to [ˈfʊkɪŋ].
As a German native speaker from Upper Austria, I have to say that in most Austrian German varieties in general, and in the dialect spoken in the region in particular, "Fucking" and "Fugging" are homonyms. A local person – even when speaking in Austrian Standard German – would pronounce both the same. Generally Danbuian-Bavarian variations of German barely differentiate between hard and soft consonants (e.g. b-p, d-t, g-k). The only big difference is the vowel length of the preceding vowel. A soft consonant indicates a long vowel (Fuge, Möbel), while a hard consonant indicates a short vowel (Mappe, Decke, Futter).  Generally double consonants indicate that the given consonant is prounced "harder". Therefore a double G is prononced almost like, or just like a K in Upper Austria, since Ks (even "hard" Ks that are written as ck) are pronounced very softly here (e.g. Mücke is pronounced like Muggn), with little to no aspiration.
An inhabitant of Fucking/Fugging will pronounce the new name exactly the same as the old one (which is the whole point of renaming this village to a name so similar).
Other examples of gg place names in the region: Ardagger, Eggenberg, Deggendorf, Waldegg, Eggerding (which happens to be close to Ober- and Unterfucking).
E.g. in the case of Ardagger the etymology is that -agger comes from Acker which means field. So ck and gg in placenames are used interchangeably in the Danube-Bavarian language region.
I do not think that basing pronounciation guides on writing alone is very helpful. Better to base it on the way local pronounce it.
The same applies to the parallel article on Fugging  17:05, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I never liked seeing IPA pronunciation coding on Wikipedia because only linguists can understand it. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:53, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate pronunciation information 

message: I was thinking, in light of the move of the Fucking name into history and the recent move discussion to move the Fucking article to its new name in the new year: I was wondering whether it might be worthwhile revisiting the notion of having a separate article for the Fucking sign? Only since it will then be a historical Fucking artifact rather than something still a part of the former Fucking village.   The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone have any thoughts?  The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have mixed feelings. When the name of this article changes, the old title will redirect to the new one. The article can still retain all of its encyclopedic content about its old name (in fact, the old name is the primary thing that makes the town notable), so I am not sure if it's necessary to have a separate article about the sign. The old content isn't going to disappear. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts were that given from the 1st, the sign is going to be outdated, it then takes on the factor of a historical curiosity since it would no longer be in use.   The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:58, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

text: I don't agree that the name is the "primary thing that makes the town notable" - this settlement dates back to the 1100s,and presumably has a rich history outside of its recent notoriety on English social media and bathroom-shelf books - but on the whole I probably agree with Anachronist that a spinoff article would be overkill. There isn't that much to say about the sign, and this isn't a hugely long article to start with. I think it's a great shame that they've made this decision, but I guess it's not my village! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:46, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

text: There'll be plenty to talk about Fucking on this. I think we all love Fucking and are sad to see it go. Think of the poor Fucking children!  The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Pardon me, but as the wise man said: "I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex." EEng 05:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

text: I disagree. The sign is not notable on its own. Let's keep it tucked in the history section. --- Running 11:31, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fucking sign revisited 

message: Hello,
It is now the 1st of Jan. The name is now officially Fugging, not Fucking.
RealLifeLorefan80 (talk) 23:23, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. How are we going to deal with this? Are we going to move this to Fugging, Upper Austria? I tried, but wasn't allowed to for whatever reason. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇  01:26, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

text: I am an admin. So there's some combination of existing articles or redirects getting in my way. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇  04:49, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, whatever it was, I got it done.--jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇  04:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

text: so, it's basically https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/174/359/793.png 79.185.3.174 (talk) 21:29, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is now Fugging 

message: Was the village renamed in 2021 or late 2020? Both are mentioned.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerfjkl (talk • contribs) 21:36, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The vote was in 2020 but the change only became effective in 2021.  The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wasn't ther—but I'm guessing that some people were managing to steal the signs anyway, right? – AndyFielding (talk) 09:52, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, that was supposed to be "there". For some reason, the mobile version of WP's Talk editor only lets us add posts, not edit them. (Does this mean we stop being editors?) – AndyFielding (talk) 09:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepancy 

message: Please WHY! Thank goodness they changed it. Francisco Nubuelas (talk) 10:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Fucking is not a swear word in German.  The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is it called swear word? 

message: Why don't we have cool town names in USA? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:401:4300:8d80:846d:5015:e08d:e9fd (talk) 01:54, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean, we do have Intercourse, Pennsylvania. 67.87.219.120 (talk) 22:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought Bucksnort, Tennessee was an interesting name. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:37, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Complete List of Lewd-Sounding Town Names in America AndyFielding (talk) 09:57, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great name! 

message: Add to "In Popular Culture" 
Was featured in the Amazon Prime series "The Grand Tour" - Season 1, Episode 12 "[censored] to [censored]. 
Sources:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6068854/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl#summary-po3092963
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Grand_Tour_episodes#Series_1_(2016%E2%80%9317) 2603:6011:9206:7AA:EDD0:EAF2:BE4D:C79F (talk) 01:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: . The town of Fugging or Fucking isn't even mentioned in those pages or in their citations, so it hardly seems that it was "featured" in the show, but at most merely mentioned. Doesn't seem significant to include in this article. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:37, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2021 

message: Please update the image in the info box to the new sign Greek king (talk) 13:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: . Moved old sign into the section about the name. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New sign  

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message: Is it worth noting that the official reason given for the name change, a video by YouTuber Albert Soap that lead to the perceived disturbance of the locals, and unwanted attention,(source) has led directly to a second video by the same YouTuber? In that video, they return to the village. Ironically, the second video has gained a lot more attention than the first one, at least judging from the numbers of views and comments. Renerpho (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change, and YouTube 

message: NEVER EVER upload a .wav file. Both mp3 and ogg will let you play the sound file online. Most browsers will force you to download the .wav.
I do not know why it isn't showing up. The semi-protected status possibly? MiroslavGlavic (talk) 19:39, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Converting audio pronunciation from .wav to .ogg 

message: :Augustina Lindlbauer, the manager of an area guesthouse . . . had to explain to a British tourist 'that there were no Fucking postcards'.
Sorry, but I just had to express my appreciation of that passage in a Talk post. Sometimes the most serious content is irredeemably funny. – AndyFielding (talk) 10:05, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Alas, we no longer get to enjoy all those Fucking jokes. It seems the internet got too keen on Fucking and the poor Fuckers who live there had enough of their Fucking being mocked. ;)  The C of E  God Save the King! (talk) 10:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of WP's best quotes ever 

message: Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that particular word is the name of a place. But a website like Wikipedia where everyone including children can access shouldn't be able to see an article that constantly spouts profanities. Even if its true that the people in the village use that word freely in their dialogues, why can't these be modified or paraphrased so there's not a single unnecessary vulgarity? The idea that this page exists with so much foul language is ridiculous and offensive on its own.
Am I the only one who thinks that? 122.11.237.26 (talk) 07:39, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the "Wikipedia is not censored" box at the top of this talk page. Meters (talk) 08:05, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is deeply offensive for constantly using profanities with seemingly little care. Why aren't these censored or removed? 

message: The section  Name Change  states "voted...to have the village's name officially changed to Fugging (pronounced the same as Fucking in the dialect spoken in the region". It would be good to revise "in the dialect" to "in [name of dialect], the dialect". I would do it myself but I don't know which dialect they are referring to.
Further, the part about the pronunciation being the same is not in any of the three references cited, so a reference to that assertion needs to be added. Thisisnotatest (talk) 08:32, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello,  , I am puzzled as to why you reverted my edit. I was unable to find a reference to the pronunciation in the local dialect in any of the three references. Did I miss something in one of the references? Thisisnotatest (talk) 07:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi and thanks for editing! I revert a lot of vandalism, I think my revert in this case may have been misjudged. I apologise and wish you the best in future edits. If you want to talk to me more, please use my talk page. ButterCashier (talk) 07:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

text: , sorry, nevermind, I just saw that the reference has been removed from the article, making my edit moot. Carry on. Thisisnotatest (talk) 07:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which dialect? 

message: The quote supposedly from a "local tour guide" in the Popularity and notoriety sections references this article https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/this-towns-a-f-joke-555249 as a source. The "local tour guide" is not named, and the other quotations in the article suggest that this is a comic piece of commentary, rather than accurate quotations from locals. Burgess-pedia (talk) 20:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliability of reference for quote