Talk:Boogiepop Phantom

message: I haven't watched the series, but I was just looking through the article and just in what's there, I think there are probably some rather major spoilers (I stopped reading after I reached something I thought was spoilerish). I don't know, as I haven't seen the series, but should there be a spoiler warning here?
:Done Hellspawn 23:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler Warning

message: I'm in the process of editing this article at the moment since I think Boogiepop Phantom is a great series and deserves as much effort put into it as other quality anime shows, however I've never really tackled such large projects on my own before (I'm more a bit part editor), and there are several aspects of large scale editing that I am unfamiliar with, such as adding pictures, etc. Any and all help from editors with more experience than I would be greatly appreciated. Hellspawn 23:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had already intended to work on this page, but I need to rewatch the anime first.  I already have a pile of notes for this from the commentary track and other sources.  I expect to rewatch it around Christmas, so I should be able to help in January. Elric of Grans 22:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Normally I would use past-tense.  Plot descriptions should not include every minor plot point – people can watch the series for that – but should include the major plot developments.  A good plot summary could be a little difficult with this series, but since many of the plot developments are only relevant to single episodes we can skip them. Elric of Grans 22:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Editing

message: thumb|110px|right|Echoes transforming into light
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: Seiyū: Taiki Matsuno, voice actor: William Hirsh, actor: Yasufumi Teriwaki
: A highly evolved being, Echoes was sent to the Earth to make the final decision on whether humanity was a benevolent or a malevolent species. If he decided we were the latter, he had the authority and power to destroy the human race. Captured by the Towa organization, they experimented upon him and created their composite humans with the knowledge they gained. They also tried cloning him, but the Manticore was created instead. He used his powers to escape the Towa lab and track down the Manticore when it also escaped, but was crippled in an ambush set up by the Manticore and Masami Saotome at Shinyo Academy. Near death, Echoes turned himself into light and sent himself back into space, destroying the Manticore and Saotome, and resurrecting Nagi in the process. His pillar of light is responsible for the increased rate of evolution of the human species, as well as the creation of Boogiepop Phantom and Manticore Phantom.
: Abilities: Vast strength, speed, endurance, and regeneration, can shape-shift and ressurect the dead, and turn into a powerful beam of light. 
thumb|110px|right|Dr Kisugi
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: Seiyū: Miki Itou, voice actor: Carol Jacobanis
: As a young teenage girl, Makako Kisugi was always afraid. To overcome her fear, she decided that she would become a psychiatrist to understand her fears and help others as well. Found the Towa drug dropped by Shinpei Kuroda in Nagi Kirima's room five years ago, and took it home for experimentation after witnessing its incredible results on Nagi's health. Initially testing on rats, Dr Kisugi moved onto human experimentation by administering some of the drug to herself, resulting in her evolution. As a composite human, she could sense people's fear and began to have a dark craving for it. She began terrorizing her patients to sample the fear in their blood, before discovering that the fear induced from a strong willed person moments before their death was the sweetest delicacy. This resulted in the serial killings which saw a string of young, strong-willed teenage girls and the mother of Hisashi Jonouchi being destroyed by Dr Kisugi. Given the codename Fear Ghoul by the Towa organization. Eventually stopped and killed by the combined effort of Nagi Kirima and Boogiepop. Also administered the Towa drug to several of her patients.
: Abilities: Vast strength, speed, and endurance, can sense the fear in people.
thumb|110px|right|Manticore in foreground
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: Seiyū: Mayumi Asano, voice actor: Simone Grant, actor: Ayana Sakai
: The Manticore was created by the Towa organization in an attempt to clone Echoes. However the Manticore turned out to be an inferior copy that fed on humans. Treated as a failure and due for termination, the Manticore ate everyone in the laboratory before escaping the mountain complex and infiltrating Shinyo Academy. There, the Manticore killed loner student Yurihara Minako, but before being able to take her form, Masami Saotome came upon the scene. He convinced the Manticore not to kill him and that it would be easier to hide from its pursuers if it took Yurihara's form instead as no one would notice a change in her behaviour. He convinced the Manticore that together they could take over the world and that it would no longer be an inferior monster that is hunted down. Forming a relationship of twisted love, the Manticore takes the form of Yurihara Minako, as the two began experiments with the drug Type S in order to create an army of slaves to tackle the Towa organization, while killing students to feed the Manticore. They were discovered and killed by the desperate efforts of Nagi Kirima, Boogiepop, and Echoes in the pillar of light. The Manticore's death gave rise to two phantoms: Boogiepop Phantom and Manticore Phantom.
: Abilities: Vast strength, speed, and endurance, can assume the form of people it kills and consumes, raise the dead as zombified slaves, and produce various dugs and poisons from its body. 
thumb|110px|right|Masami Saotome
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: Seiyū: Jun Fukuyama, voice actor: Crispin Freeman, actor: Hassei Takano
: Masami Saotome was an ordinary high school boy who had a crush on Nagi Kirima. Although she turned him down, he wasn't as hurt as he thought he would be. A few months later he accidentally came across the Manticore in the middle of feeding, and after an initial attack, was informed that he would die and that the Manticore would take his form instead. Saotome now understood his strange attraction to strong willed women, reasoning that he had a suicidal streak that meant he wanted to be killed by such a women. Initially this was Nagi, but now the vaguely feminine Manticore was before him. However Saotome convinced the Manticore that he would be better left alive and that the Manticore should take Yurihara's form instead if it wanted to remain hidden. Confessing his love for the Manticore, they set in motion a plan to take over the world, allowing Saotome to exercise his destructive tendencies.  Chased by Echoes and then Nagi, Saotome formulated a plan that led the two into a trap that saw Echoes crippled and Nagi dead. Turning himself into light, Echoes began to destroy the Manticore as Saotome flew himself at the light in either desperation or despair. His form is later assumed by the Manticore Phantom.
Hellspawn 22:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, even having done that, the problem still isn't solved. I'm going to try reverting to an older version. Hellspawn 22:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted to the previous version and now it's normal. So can anyone tell me why the article gets cut off after having added a few references even though as far as I know Wikipedia shouldn't have this problem anymore? I'm using the latest Firefox by the way.Hellspawn 22:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Important Characters

message: I've been having a lot of trouble from this section for some time. I simply can't find references or material on the japanese aspects of producing the series. So I call out to any and all who are interested in seeing this article reach GA and maybe FA status in the future to help me out with this endeavour. All help is appreciated. Thanks. Hellspawn 15:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I said this before: "don't worry about it." Only some of the animanga good articles have a production section and there you have them. You could do without it. But when the time comes for the article to become featured, you'll need a well referenced "development and design" section. Just read your response.--Nohansen 16:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do know there's one japanese Newtype that has a Boogiepop article. Anyone who has a copy is more than welcome to contribute. It can be seen (or parts of it can be seen) here - http://megaten.net/boogiepop/frames.html Hellspawn 16:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Production Section

message: I've been looking through recent debates regarding the criteria for GA's, and specifically the criteria for inline citations, and noticing that some want references for most sentences. I also noticed that the recent review of Fist of the North Star stipulated that the character section should have references. Should I add more references to the plot summary and character sections? Hellspawn 15:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm reading this right, summary sections don't need citations. As the Characters section is (or should be) a "summary" of the Characters article, it's fine the way it is. Besides, citing every single sentence would just clutter up the article.--Nohansen 15:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: First of all I feel a need to apologize for sitting on this review for over 2 weeks. I've copied my notes and suggestions to /Comments — I hope these are not excessively critical. Please message me if anything needs clarifying. / edg ☺ ★ 17:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks again for your time.Hellspawn 08:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA nomination

message: Here's the comments left by edg ☺ ★ regarding the GA Nomination. I've pasted them here so we can access them more easily and discuss the areas of weakness highlighted. Once the concern has been addressed, just score it through:
=== Plot summary ===
*The article is about a television series, but the Plot Summary section seems to be referring to the books, and in this section it is not immediately made clear to the reader if Boogiepop at Dawn is an episode, a series, or a book.
*If I understand this correctly, the two books which were not TV series, preceed the TV series which is the subject of this article. Perhaps Plot summary should be broken up into subcategories for Background, detailing the books (and explaining that this is what is being summarized), then TV series for the last paragraph. Okay I see now this is made clear down in Production. It should also be stated in Plot summary. Wait, is Boogiepop and Others a prequel, or an earlier chapter? If the latter, this should be taken out of the Plot summary and given its own treatment, perhaps in its own article — prequels are intended to be seen afterward, and viewers are not expected to have seen them first. A brief mention, like "this is elaborated in the prequel, Boogiepop and Others" would be okay, but mostly it's just confusing to have these details introduced here.
**Boogiepop and Others and Boogiepop at Dawn are not prequels, but rather Boogiepop Phantom uses the events that occur in them to set the premise for the story. Since the two events play such an important part in the story of Boogiepop Phantom, it seemed only right to briefly summarize them. Do others agree? Hellspawn 10:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Nomination Comments

message: *The article is about a television series, but the Plot Summary section seems to be referring to the books, and in this section it is not immediately made clear to the reader if Boogiepop at Dawn is an episode, a series, or a book.
*If I understand this correctly, the two books which were not TV series, preceed the TV series which is the subject of this article. Perhaps Plot summary should be broken up into subcategories for Background, detailing the books (and explaining that this is what is being summarized), then TV series for the last paragraph. Okay I see now this is made clear down in Production. It should also be stated in Plot summary. Wait, is Boogiepop and Others a prequel, or an earlier chapter? If the latter, this should be taken out of the Plot summary and given its own treatment, perhaps in its own article — prequels are intended to be seen afterward, and viewers are not expected to have seen them first. A brief mention, like "this is elaborated in the prequel, Boogiepop and Others" would be okay, but mostly it's just confusing to have these details introduced here.
**Boogiepop and Others and Boogiepop at Dawn are not prequels, but rather Boogiepop Phantom uses the events that occur in them to set the premise for the story. Since the two events play such an important part in the story of Boogiepop Phantom, it seemed only right to briefly summarize them. Do others agree? Hellspawn 10:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary 

message: *Pink Floyd single of the same name, which itself is a possible allusion to 2001: A Space Odyssey with its themes of evolution and transcendence. Unless 2001 has some direct reference from or relevance to Boogiepop Phanton, the possible allusion Pink Floyd are making isn't worth mentioning in this article. There's a confusing level of detail in this article, and anything superfluous needs to come out.
*Too bad so few of the references are to web pages I can check. Some of these things could use more explanation.
*Boogiepop refers to an obscure Prince (artist) inspiration? Is that the name "Spooky Electric" or something else? The Black Album (Prince album) article doesn't clear it up for me. This needs to be clarified (or removed as trivial). There may be too many examples here.
*Per WP:MUSTARD, the AC/DC single "Snake Eye" and the Prince song "Poom Poom" should get quotes, not italics. (And the term Poom poom predates Prince musically, dunno the artist. A big hit went all I wanna do is zoom zoom zoom in a poom poom. Are you sure Boogiepop took this from Prince?)
*"Mythology" should probably be a subcategory under Artistic homages.
**In fact, Artistic homages and Mythology belong in a "Design" or "Influences" section.--Nohansen 21:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artistic homages 

message: *Opening with the subject of licensing and distribution deals is just killer boring. I'm sorry to phrase it this way, but either give the reader something inviting here, or find a way to make this business interesting. Is there something unique or important to how Boogiepop was distributed?
**Well, I don't know what is the norm, but Boogiepop Phantom was previewed at several film festivals which might be regarded as uncommon. Apart from that, there's nothing really special that I'm aware of regarding how Boogiepop Phantom was released. There's nothing I can do to change that. For that reason, I'm scoring this one out.Hellspawn (talk) 22:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Releases 

message: *Disease does not need to be wikilinked in this context. Again, many facts, not organized. Hard to read.
**The facts as I see them are pretty organized. The first paragraph covers the plot and story-telling, while the second covers the visuals and audio. Hellspawn 09:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical reception 

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