Talk:Persian Gulf/Archive 1

message: Historical and unique name of The Persian Gulf and its equivalents in different languages has been continuously in used since 3000 years ago in all languages, cultures, and all civilizations throughout the centuries and across the world. More than 2000 ancient literatures, books and maps belong to the past three millenniums, which contain this historical and heritage name are proof to the Persian Gulf as the right nomenclature. It was in 1952 after confiscation of British Petroleum properties by Iranian government that false and politically motivated title of Arabian Gulf was suggested by BP. then it was Roderick Owen (a British representative in the then colonialized Emirates) that for the first time put this suggestion in his book The Golden Bubble of the Arabian Gulf, This suggestion was later imitated by some Arab extremists and fanatic leaders and the BBC was first to support this dirty conspiracy.
Recent Distorting and denomenclature of the Persian Gulf name is not only an insult to the ancient cultures and injustice to the history and overall heritage of mankind but also an aggression to a universal accepted and established 3000 years ancient and heritage name. Assault to a heritage name is similar to the tragedy that happened to the Afghan Buda's statue and the museum of Baghdad on assaults of 12/4/2003 and all are criminal act.  
Persian Gulf, has been recognized as the real and rightful nomenclature not only by all ancient and past writers and historical nations but also by all modern international organizations and Int. societies among them the followings:
1- United Nation.
2- UNCSGN-United Nation Conference on Standardization of Geographical Names.
3- UN Cartographic Unit Staff.
4- IHO.International Hydrographic Organization.
5- IMO- International Maritime Organization.     
6- IAPO-International Associations of Physical Oceanography.
7- IHB- International Hydrographic Bureau.
8- United nation Documents on geographical names.
9- UNICODE-Encoding Standards Consortium.
10- ISO-InternationalStandardization Organization. 
11- IHA- International Hydrographic Association.
12- UNGEGN-United Nations Group on Geographic Names.
13- UNGIWG- United Nation’s Geographic Information Working group. 
14- UNGIS- UN Geographical Information.
15- IAPO- International Association of Physical Oceanography
16- UNEP- United Nation Environmental Program.
17- UNESCO.
18- HABITAT.
19- WB- World Bank.
20- ICA- International Cartography Association.
Incomplitization and distorting this historical name, is an illegal and unconventional act and in contrast to the resolutions of the UNGEGN and UN Conferences on the Standardization of Geographical Names.
Converting this name by a new false name is a clear breach of international laws and regulations. If we don't react this heritage name will be vanished by petro monies of the fanatic leader in region.
For detail in Persian language click:
http://parssea.persianblog.com
Persian Gulf equivalents and synonyms = Mare de Persia -Sinus Persici- Mare Persio-Sinus Persico- Mare Perth- Mar Persiano,Mare Pers,Persiski Zaliv ,Persischer Golf ,Sino Persico,Pars sea,Bahre Fars ,Bahre Ajam, Perza Obol- Porucha Wan,Parsi tstsots- Persiste Habbugt. Persicus .Persicon    Persique. Persicum. Parsitstsots. Persidski.
Many organisation use "The Gulf", not just British. DJ Clayworth 15:30, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anonymous contribution needing NPOV and wikification 

message: The use of historic place names is vital to help people understand their world.  Changing names to fit times and styles sometimes may be an attempt to hide or deny the past.  Certainly, there is a lot in the past of every people that we might wish to forget, but it is neither healthy nor instructional to deny it. We are the evolution of the past. To know where we came from and how far we have traveled is important if we are to understand where we might go in the future as a global society.
The Persian Gulf has been called by this name for thousands of years. Indeed, the world also walks upon Persian Carpets, and small art is compared to Persian Miniatures.  These concepts have a meaning outside the current name of the country, or even the country itself.  When the names in the Middle East change again, (and yet again after that) we don't want a rush to erase our past, but to realize that we are the sum of our past. 
Keeping the name Persian Gulf as with many other ancient names, is to accept that we all are human, that we have faults, that things change, and that who humanity was before was probably the best we could do at the time.  This acceptance of ourselves through accepting ancient names is a foundation for self-respect which is appropriate for every nation, and every era. 
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Historical and unique name of The Persian Gulf with its equivalents in different languages has been continuously used since 3000 years ago in all languages, all cultures, all civilizations throughout the centuries and across the world. More than 3000 ancient books and maps during the past three milliniums contained this historical and heritage name is a proof to this claim. It was in 1957 that Roderick Owen, a British representative in the then colonialized Emirates, suggested the title “Arabian Gulf” in his book "The golden bublle of the Arabian Gulf" The suggestion was later immetated by some Arabs fanatics, distorting a 3000 years ancient history, resulting in an insult and an aggression to the mankind heritage, universal accepted and established ancient name. Recent misuse of this name is not only an insult to the rich persian culture but also an injustice to the history and the overall heritage of mankind. 
Persian Gulf has been recognized as the rightful nomenclature by all international organizations among them the followings:
#- UN, United Nation.
#- UNCSGN-United Nation Conference on Standardization of Geographical Names.
#- UN Cartographic Unit Staff.
#- IHO–International Hydrographic Organization.
#- IMO- International Maritime Organization. 
#- IAPO-International Associations of Physical Oceanography.
#- IHB- International Hydrographic Bureau.
#- United nation Documents on geographical names.
#- UNICODE- Encoding Standards Consortium.
#- ISO- International Standardization Organization. 
#- IHA- International Hydrographic Association.
#- UNGEGN-United Nations Group on Geographic Names.
#- UNGIWG- United Nation’s Geographic Information Working group. 
#- UNGIS- UN Geographical Information.
#- IAPO- International Association of Physical Oceanography
#- UNEP- United Nation Environmental Program.
#- UNESCO.
#- HABITAT.
#- WB- World Bank.
#- ICA- International Cartography Association.
#- UNGEGN-United Nations Group on Geographic Names.
Misusing and distorting this historical name, is an illegal act and in contrast to the resolutions of the UNGEGN and UN Conferences on the Standardization of Geographical Names.
Converting this name by fals is a clear breach of international laws and regulations.
M. GONABADY
Heritage Name Society
:Please note that what follows by a M. Gonabady is not accurate.  None of the organizations that he names have a "rightful nomenclature".  You are welcome to visit the site of any of the organizations and do a search on "Arabian Gulf".  You will see there are hundreds of official documents using the name.  Here is an example: www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/56/a56124a1.pdf  The document in the example is a Note by the Secretary-General and distributed by the General Assembly on 26 July 201.  It has numerous references to the "Arabian Gulf" and NON to "Persian Gulf"!  It is irrelevant how, why, or for how long some Arab people started using the name "Arabian Gulf".  The fact is that there are enough people that know this Gulf by that name alone that would warrant it's inclusion in all reference books as a secondary name.  Exactly as National Geographic has done.  Also, as an Iranian, I am ashamed of some of the things that my nationalist (read racist) fellow countrymen have done to deal with this issue.  I apologize for it. 
:Here are a couple of more examples that use "Arabian Gulf".
:http://wbln0018.worldbank.org/EURVP/web.nsf/Pages/Brussels+-+By+region+-+Middle+East+and+North+Africa The World Bank
:http://europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/med_mideast/intro/index.htm The European Union
thank you . i saw all the document that u claimed i found the name such as arabin gulf institute of ... ,arabian gulf university of ...member of arabian gulf club of ... and etct ...  it is very clear that this  kind of sentences in UN document  refer to the name of that institute and does not mean that UN and its agency recognized this new name for a body of water.thank you all.M.Ajam
:--BrainMafia 07:22, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: BrainMafia, don't sabotage the page. Add your points to the bottom and direct the writer. This isn't an oratory forum. I debunked your UN document below. I do not know more about the other two to form an opinion. But I'm sure finding a reference on Google doesn't mean anything on its own. I wish you could understand that too.  – Kaveh (talk) 06:14, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historic Names are Essential for Perspective 

message: Why my edit which changes the order of naming the local names for the Persian Gulf, and puts the Persian local name first and the Arabic name seconds immidiately changed back by some users?
What is the reason for this? If it's the length of coastline, Iran has the longest. If it is the historical right, Persia (Iran) owned the whole of it for thousands of years. What is the reason for insisting on puting Arabic name first?
Another question. Why some users insist on calling the actof delition of the adjective Persian from the name of Persian Gulf as an unbiased act which promotes "avoiding the debate"?
--Mani1 06:38, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: Why is Persian Gulf article listed in the "Arab category" of wikipedia? Can you please move it to Middle East or another Category more appropriate.
: Done.  – Kaveh (talk) 22:06, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Category