Talk:Lijepa naša domovino

message: The following text was deleted by Shallot:
"It is often mentioned that it was used by the Nazi puppet Croat state (which included Bosnia, Hercegovina, Dalmatia, Slavonia, Srem and the Krajina) which organized the wholesale slaughter of close to one million Serbs, Jews and Gypsies.
However, it is a song dating from 19th century, and there is no direct connection with the Nazi movement in Croatia.
It was used as a national anthem every time Croatia had an independent state, and was originally inspired by the Croatian national movement in the 19th century."
Shallot wrote the following comment on this:
"removed Greater-Serbian FUD (entirely worthless, does not contribute anything here, only establishes a pattern of trying to demonize Croats)"
Although Shallot is quite right, because of the tone of the upper text, I would like to see the informations above, NPOVed and then somehow incorporated into the article.
I mean, Germanies anthem is the same as it was during its Nazi time, they just choose to shorten the text because of the geographical implications in the text towards a Greater Germany, but nevertheless, they choose to keep the text, and this fact is nicely explained in the article about the German anthem.
I don't know enough about this matter, and maybe I am not totally NPOV, so I'd rather withdraw from writing this part myself, but hopefully someone will.
--denny vrandecic 23:51, Sep 13, 2003 (UTC)
: Oh, I didn't even notice this comment until now... the difference here is that Lijepa nasa doesn't have any pretensionist verses in it, and nothing had to be removed. In fact, I read that the Ustase replaced "Danube" with "Drina" in order to make it such. I think that the whole artificial smearing campaign against the anthem is unencyclopedic and non-notable. --Shallot 13:10, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: WWII stuff

message: I find most of the translation to be of rather low quality, so here is my suggestion which tries to balance both good translation of meaning and poetic quality.
* denotes a line in the translation that has been altered.
Our beautiful homeland, 
* O so fearless and gracious(?!) -> O heroic beloved land (Mila = gracious or dear?)
* Fatherland of old glory,
* May you be happy forever! 
* Dear to us, for you are our glory, 
* Dear are you, our only one, 
* Dear to us where you are a plain, 
* Dear, where you are a mountain! 
* Flow, Drava, and Sava, flow
* Neither Danube lose its vigour, 
* Deep blue sea, tell the world, 
* That Croat loves his people! 
* While sun warms his fields, 
* While his oaks the wild winds whip, 
* While she hides his humble grave, 
* While his living heart beats!
Of course, this is merely an attempt. Is there an official translated version?
Rosier
:Yes there is; at http://www.vlada.hr/default.asp?ru=211&sid=&jezik=2. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I worked on other national anthem articles, and most of the English translations, by governments, are very strange.  As for how accurate this is; I cannot really tell you, but at least it is something. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation #2 

message: Ok, what is going on people? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, now since I know what is the major malfunction is, I will tell you what I feel. Given how I understand people, if we do not list the backgrounds of authors of the anthem, people will always assume that they are Croatian. Given how the anthem was written by a Serbian, that has to be denoted in a significant way. I did this before with the article on the Mexican anthem, where the major composer of music was not a Mexican. If the article on Lijepa nasa domovino is going to get FA, we will have to include the backstory of the authors and composers, including their heritage. So, whoever is edit waring, please stop (and also talk to me). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if I disagree. The purpose of Wiki is that it links to other articles and is thus a web of various interconnected articles. This article is about the anthem itself and should thus contain only the basic information about the anthem'. If someone is interested in Mihanovic or Runjanin he should then follow the link to each of those article respectively. In short what they were and how is irrelevant for this article, what is relevant is who wrote it and thats it. --Factanista 09:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we ever have to expand the article, which we will, we will have to put a short blurb about the backgrounds of the authors, since believe without this upfront, people will assume they are Croats. I want this siliness to stop. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 14:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly I don't think this article will ever be expanded because there is nothing to be added. The story is short and clear. --Factanista 14:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: That is very good to know, thank you. I am just glad the edit war is over (and anon., maybe you should create an account, since you did some pretty nice work on this article for months). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:24, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war