Talk:Luis Miguel

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this is not a vote; comments must include reasons to carry weight.
*Oppose — No other notable person goes by "Luis Miguel" other than the singer, therefore he should have the Luis Miguel article.
**The singer is a Grammy Award winner and Hollywood Walk of Fame honoree
**Even if the singer was not notable for his profession, he is because of his romances with very public figures such as Mariah Carey and Daisy Fuentes.
**A Luis Miguel disambiguation may be created as "trivia" for all those Luis Miguels included in the page now that do not even go by "Luis Miguel" themselves (Luismi, Miguel Monteiro, etc.). Since they do not go by Luis Miguel or Luis Miguel X, it is highly unlikely that someone would enter "Luis Miguel" just because that happens to be part of their birth name.
** The disambiguation page should also include the handful of others that go by Luis Miguel X (Luis Miguel Sánchez Cerro, Luis Miguel Martín). None of which, again, goes by Luis Miguel but use their full name. --FateClub 19:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: _ _ If the idea M-hk had is a good one, it will be a good idea next week or next month when there's been a chance to given it thorough consideration, but putting it off that long offers no significant harm, compared to the years that WP has limped along with Luis Miguel being an article on the singer. On the other hand, it will be surprising if we've run with a bad idea for three and a half years without anyone else suggesting that. And two people quickly came up with different reasons (or different versions of similar reasons) why the old way was a good one, once the new one surfaced. The burden of proof lies with M-hk, and his suggestion of in effect waiting around while he solicits someone else to defend it for him is offensive.
_ _ In fact, i'm confident that his idea is a bad one. There is not even a consensus, i think, that pages concerned with people who share given names are encyclopedic. IMO they have been tolerated for two reasons:
# PAPER, and
# their advocates have generally been satisfied to have such pages' visibility subordinated to that of more widely endorsed pages, via dab'g suffixes on their titles.
I've already cited COMMONNAME, and i remain open to someone giving evidence that there is another Luis Miguel who can muster more than 100K G-Hits, or something close with more than 77% uniqueness (in the first 1K). In the meantime, we are going back to having an article with his common name. I will add a ToP Dab to the low relevance page that M-hk has created, bcz it's hard to show how close to worthless it is, and i've got more important work to do than to try to show it.--Jerzy•t 06:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am glad that you have voiced an opinion. However, I must stress that it is not your place to withdraw another user's move request. By all means state the reasons why such a request may be flawed, but you should under no circumstances remove the request. If your arguments are strong, then the page will not be moved, but we must allow the discussion to take place, without involved parties deciding whether or not the discussion should take place. You may suggest in the move discussion that the article be moved to Luis Miguel, for the reasons you stated above, and if a consensus forms that that is the best solution, then it will be done. Being open and transparent and involving many editors lends more weight to a decision than the opinion of a single editor. Please do not strike the move out again; contact me if you have any further comments about this. I have changed the boilerplate to allow a wider choice of names to be considered; I hope the original proponent will not be too put out by this. --Stemonitis 07:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why i'm restoring the status quo

message: We COULD just put on the Luis Miguel article (This article is about the Mexican singer, for other uses, see Luis Miguel (disamgution [not sure how it's spelt]). I'm pretty sure when someone types Luis Miguel, they are more than likely looking for the Mexican singer, not the others. magiciandude 20:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 11:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: magiciandude's statement

message: Luis Miguel was born in Puerto Rico and therefore he is Puerto Rican, simple as that! He was, however raised and educated in Mexico and considers himself Mexican, I'm O.K. with that. Luis Miguel enters the United States and Puerto Rico without a passport because he never renounced his U.S citizenship even though he considers himself Mexican. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that requires verifiable sources, I have the following good-faith questions with the intention of correctly informing myself and others.
1. When did Luis Miguel apply for Mexican citizenship as required by all those who are forgien born? Is there proof that he indeed is a Mexican citizen? Is there a reliable source which can show us proof of his Mexican citizenship?
2. If, let's say, George W. Bush and his parents and family moved to Mexico and lived there for forty years and all of a sudden he declares himself Mexican, would he be Mexican? Wouldn't he have to apply for citizenship and renounce his American citizenship?
3. I believe that Luis Miguel did apply for Mexican citizenship, but since he never renounced his Puerto Rican nor his U.S. citizenship, wouldn't that make him a Puerto Rican-American-Mexican?   
Remember, I don't care what Luis Miguel is or claims to be, what I care is for verifiable facts that can be posted in Wikipedia. Tony the Marine 21:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This Essay might be useful to explain why he is Puerto Rican-Mexican instead of just Mexican, its basically a more detailed explanation of the situation because Luis Miguel in fact has three nationalities with his adoption of the Mexican nationality. -凶 21:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Negative his desent is European, if you are born in Puerto Rico you are Puerto Rican regardless of ethnicity, he is Puerto Rican-Mexican because he adopted the Mexican nationality on his adulthood, if he had Mexican heritage it would have been automatically granted to him. - Caribbean~H.Q. 07:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This really doesn't make sense. So if Bruce Lee's parents were vacationing in Puerto Rico and he was born there, he would European or Puerto Rican? The way many bios do this, is to say the person is a XZY-born ABCer based upon a bunch of factors. I still would like all the questions I asked above answered so we can get a handle on it. I seriously don't know enough about this guy but I am trying to treat the LEAD sentence in the most NPOV as possible. Cheers, --Tom 19:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a quick note, there is no such thing as Puerto Rican citizenship.  Anyone born on the island of Puerto Rico is a natural-born US citizen.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.246.153.217 (talk) 00:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not in the mood to go into political debates, however there is a recognized Puerto Rican citizenship, the article is a neutral as possible under the current format lets leave it like that. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Luis Miguel is as Puerto Rican as I am from Botswana. Of course, I'm biased. Demf (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Luis Miguel is Mexican?, Puerto Rican? ......American?

message: Can we get some reliable sources for this material? The section has ZERO sources and appears beyond bloated with much commentary. Anyways, I will try to work on this over the next few days. If this person is as famous as the article current reads this really should not be hard. If material can added with sources that would be awesome. TIA --Tom 00:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Career section

message: A while back, Luis Miguel was involved in an incident in a bar in Colorado. This was covered in the press, and even the court dockets were available in the 'Net. I included it in the article because the context could provide some evidence to the fact that LM has a dual nationality, something that could put to rest some of the discussions above. Yet, it was yanked out soon after. The article right now reads more like a pop fan blog than a Wikipedia article... NPOV comes to mind. Demf (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The bar brawl incident

message: Why do you need this section if the most of the material comes from amarilistic media? Who informed you that Luis Miguel was engaged to Myrka Dellanos? La revista Fama? He himself did not mention the names of any of his novias in any of his interviews, neither they did.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AFaye (talk • contribs) 15:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Personal life" section

message: As far as I rememebr on Luis Miguel's official site the series of concerts from April 2007 - September 2007 was called simply Tour 2007. But who cares about it after all, call it whatever you want, it's your pet project.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AFaye (talk • contribs) 15:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mexico en la piel Tour

message: I think that the article needs a free image of him in the infobox, given that fair use images of living people can't be used in the infobox. David Pro (talk) 14:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free image in infobox 

message: "Me Gustas Tal Como Eres" (You Like Me Just As You Are)
The English translation in parentheses is wrong. It should be "I like you just as you are" or "You are pleasing to me just the way you are." Something. Just not that. "You like me just as you are" both wouldn't make sense and would be "Te gusto tal como eres" instead. Unless, of course, the actual title includes the mistranslation, then we'd be on a whole different topic. --GMSuerte (talk) 23:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistranslation

message: In 1996, Luis Miguel became the first Latin artist to receive a star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame.[2]  -- this is incorrect & record-company hype. Several people preceded him: 
Vikki Carr, 1981 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/vikki-carr 
Desi Arnaz, 1960 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/desi-arnaz 
Celia Cruz, 1987 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/celia-cruz 
Xavier Cugat, 1960 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/xavier-cugat 
Placido Domingo, 1995 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/pl%C3%A1cido-domingo
Gloria Estefan, 1983 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/gloria-estefan
Julio Iglesias, 1985 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/julio-iglesias
Pedro Infante, 1993 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/pedro-infante
Jose Iturbi, 1960 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/jose-iturbi
Perez Prado, 1960 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/p%C3%A9rez-prado
Tito Puente, 1990 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/tito-puente
Lalo Schifrin, 1988 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/lalo-schifrin
Ritchie Valens, 1990 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/ritchie-valens
Carmen Miranda, 1960 -- http://www.walkoffame.com/carmen-miranda
Tclpups (talk) 19:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hollywood Walk of Fame 

message: According to the CURP database, Luis Miguel still holds Spanish nationality and is not a Mexican citizen.  The CURP is the national identification number for all Mexican citizens and legal residents of Mexico.  After plugging in Luis Miguel's statistics, here is what his CURP info produces: http://consultas.curp.gob.mx/CurpSP/curp1.do?strPrimerApellido=GALLEGO&strSegundoAplido=BASTERI&strNombre=LUIS%20MIGUEL&strdia=19&strmes=04&stranio=1970&sSexoA=H&sEntidadA=NE&rdbBD=myoracle&strTipo=A&entfija=DF&depfija=04
As you can see, Luis Miguel is still a Spanish citizen due to being of a Spanish father.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.52.166 (talk) 04:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Luis Miguel is NOT a Mexican citizen, he is still a Spanish citizen

message: Primeriso1 (talk) 21:59, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: I am a little confused as to what you are wanting me to add? I've looked at :Category:Duets but this doesn't really fit into an article about a musician, and :Category:Vocal duets covers the songs themselves. I even looked at a few articles of singers that have done a lot of duets, for example Barbra Streisand. Could you provide me an example article with the category you want to add? Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 21:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from , 28 October 2011 

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message: Luis Miguel has identified as Mexican his whole life. Losplateados (talk) 04:15, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah we don’t care. --217.149.173.248 (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luis Miguel 

message: Please stop changing the sales figures, 100 million is inflated and his certifications don't reflect it. Get consensus on this talk page instead of edit warring with other editors. Erick (talk) 22:36, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Who says that Luis Miguel hasn't sold close to 100 million copies? The 60 million that you put are old data from more than 10 years, that is misinforming, lying to Wikipedia readers. Josemi5000 (talk) 06:47, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please note you have reverted more than 4 users and this conduct could be considered disruptive. You have been already explained why the claim of 100 million is not accepted, regardless your opinion with Martin or Iglesias. If you want to prove it, consider focus find individual sales for his albums for individual markets. Erick or Franlm14 you guys may help open this to Administrator's noticeboard. I'm don't usually like to open up a bureaucratic procedure tbh. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 15:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luis Miguel's sales figures 

message: Putting Ricky Martin and Enrique Iglesias with more sales than Luis Miguel is blatantly lying. Josemi5000 (talk) 06:51, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luis Miguel has sold around 100 million copies 

message: Luis Miguel's albums have been released in America, Europe and Asia several times. For example, Romance from 1991 is the best-selling album in the history of the Spanish language with more than 12 million units. Your bolero albums have more than 45 million copies sold, almost half of all your physical and digital sales, greetings.. Josemi5000 (talk) 20:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luis Miguel is the biggest seller of records in the Spanish language