Talk:Coronary artery bypass surgery

message: "Two alternative techniques are also available allowing CABG to be performed on a beating heart either without using the cardiopulmonary bypass deemed as "off-pump" surgery or performing beating surgery using partial assistance of the cardiopulmonary bypass called as "on-pump beating" surgery. The latter gathers the advantages of the on-pump stopped and off-pump while minimizing their respective side-effects."
Hello, as a non-expert, I am having difficulty parsing these two sentences. Let me give it a try. The following is what I think this text may be saying:
 
Two alternative techniques are also available allowing CABG to be performed on a beating heart, 1) without using cardiopulmonary bypass at all, this is called "off-pump surgery", and 2) using partial assistance from the cardiopulmonary bypass, this is called "on-pump beating surgery". The latter combines the advantages of cardiopulmonary bypass (on-pump) and off-pump surgery while minimizing their respective side-effects. 
My problem with the original is that I'm not sure if the 'deemed as' refers to cardiopulmonary bypass itself, or 'without using cardiopulmonary bypass', because the word pump does not appear in connection with cardiopulmonary bypass in the preceding text. In the second sentence, 'on-pump stopped' also leaves me bewildered.
As an aside, is aortic no-touch technique something that deserves mention in wikipedia? Papafrancis (talk) 18:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  on-pump, off-pump 

message: doi:10.1056/NEJMra1406944 JFW | T@lk 05:01, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  NEJM review 

message: Shouldn't there be a section on the donor vessel in the article? Which vessels are being used as donor vessel? Why that vessel or those vessels? This with some good pictures would improve the article. I am insufficiently knowledgable on the subject to do it myself so I simply address it. 145.132.75.218 (talk) 16:19, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donor vessel 

message: Complications section (see current version) shouldnt be an indiscriminate list of various complications that might appear. Rather we should be describing the most common and dangerous (ie graft failure, heart failure, infection, sepsis, renal failure, Stroke and maybe some more), so reader should put things into the right perspective. Cinadon36 09:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section "Complications" 

message: Section procedure should have just two subsections, on and off Pump (criticism for current version. Cinadon36 09:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section Procedure 

message: I'll try to do a good copy edit. From a glance, there are a lot of exotic medical terms used here that will really need context and glossing, especially for such an important article like this one, which should be broadly accessible. I will note those as applicable and gloss the few I'm familiar enough with. I would pretend like you are writing for a 16 year old, with a basic understanding of the body as might be learned in high school. It's much better to be slightly imprecise or informal ("heart attack" instead of "myocardial infarction") than to make an article impenetrable to anyone not already immersed in the subject. Ovinus (talk) 01:29, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi @Ovinus and thank you for taking up this difficult task. I will try to be as helpful as possible. Cinadon36 09:31, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the help. Ovinus (talk) 15:39, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy editing comments 

message: A list of terms that (in my opinion) must be defined or simply not used. (in progress)
;Ones I tried to do myself
* ischemic, anastomosis, stenotic, lesion, angina, myocardial infarction, graft
**Ischemic: (USA english) or ischaemic (UK english) roughly means that a territory gets less blood than needed to survive. 
**Anastomosis: Anastomosis is a connection of two vessels. It is made by surgeons. Usually they open a hole in the side of one vessel and, using sutures, they attach the other vessel to it, so blood can flow from one vessel to another.  
**stenotic: Partially obstructed.
**Lesion: an abnormality
**Stenotic lesion in a vessel. A point where the normal wall of a vessel has been modified, most commonly because of accumulated fat. This fat causes the diameter of the vessel to become smaller and smaller. It is called a stenotic lession. The tissue that depends on the vessel becomes ischaemic. 
**Angina (or more formally angina pectoris) is the chest pain that is caused by heart that receives less blood than it needs to survive. Ischaemic heart disease causes angina. 
**Myocardial infraction: Roughly, no blood is supplied to a territory of the heart. A stenotic lesion has become totally occluded for some reason, or thrombus has been created (because of the stenotic lesion) that wont let blood flow towards the rest of the heart tissue. 
**Graft: Graft in the context of cardiac surgery, is a tube that is used to overpass a stenotic lesion and thus protect the heart from an infraction. Grafts used in CABG are other body vessels, either veins or arteries.     
;Ones I have no clue about
* left internal mammary artery (maybe elaboration isn't necessary for this one, but the link doesn't make sense to me)
**Each important artery in our body has a name. Now, in most cases, there are two pairs of each artery, one in each side of our body. Left kidney artery, right kidney artery. Left testicular artery, right testicular artery. So Left IMA is  the IMA on the left side of our body. In many cases, there are two arteries suppling a tissue or an organ. There are various ways to qualify them, one of them is being exterior or interior to another structure. In this case, since the location of the specific artery is within the rib cage, it is called interior. (There is another artery that is called external mammary artery). Mammary signifies that it mostly supplies mammaries, mammaries are the breasts we have. So the artery that runs parallel and somewhat left to our sternum, inside of the ribs, is called  left internal mammary artery or LIMA. There is another one in the right side, it is called Righ internal mammary artery (RIMA). To make things more confusing, some decades ago, it was known as Left internal Thoracic Artery (LITA) and RITA. But now the word mammary is more commonly used. Are you still perplexed? Any questions? Dont hesitate, please ask! Cinadon36 09:41, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terms that need to be defined 

message: * Is "atheromatic" or "atheromatous" more common? Our article atheroma seems to use the latter. Ovinus (alt) (talk) 21:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuing 

message: This page has two  tags that really should be resolved immediately. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:49, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not any more! Thanks Cinadon36 20:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-GAN note 

message: I removed two recently added internal links to endoscopic harvesting. Not all, or even most, harvesting is done endoscopically. Moreover, sources are not saying such a thing. So, I believe it should not be added again. . Cinadon36 08:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Have restored previous edits but have changed the linked page name to Vessel harvesting. Thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 10:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "Vessel harvesting" is much more appropriate, thanks. Note, linking once is sufficient, to avoid the "sea of blue" Cinadon36 12:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You removed all links so have replaced one in lead and one in harvesting subsection known as a local link. It's usual to use links in captions too. Have also replaced the refs that you removed as nonMEDRS - Pages from websites of renowned organisations are constantly used usually providing up to date info. Have a look at the references sections of almost any medical/anatomy page. Examples from Good articles are found on Malaria, COPD, and Tuberculosis.  CDC, NIH, NCBI, American Cancer Society, WHO factsheets and reports, NCI and more are all in use.--Iztwoz (talk) 22:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely failing MEDRS the links you added. I will remove them again. I wont be looking at other article, I will be looking at the guideline and stick to it. We need peer reviewed articles or books. Cinadon36 15:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing internal link to endoscopic harvesting