Talk:Brandenburg Gate

message: Ive added a 'pop culture' section, for the Amazing Race' entry. I didn't want ti delete it, but I think its a little insulting to include an American tv show in a history section. TVs not that important, and only fans would care.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.78.186 (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI: The words 'pop', 'culture', 'Amazing', 'Race', do not appear in the article. Hence, I would conclude that between Nov.2007 and now the 'Pop culture' section was deleted.  It might be interesting to some, but apparently not to WP editing consensus. I have no current comment. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 09:50, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop culture

message: The German language version of this article is much better formatted, and more extensive. Why don't we use an online translator to translat the german version, and then clean up the translation by hand. It would be a whole lot easier then re-writing the whole thing. I don't want to proced untill sombody else agrees with me, though, I don't want to screw anytihng up. (And I just don't have time to do it now anyway.)
--Lophoole 02:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idea for easy cleanup. 

message: The Gate ist not a triumphal arch, it was part of the former toll wall, and is not free standing. (toll houses)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.44.97 (talk) 19:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Removed 

message: I have removed this image from the article because I feel it is duplicated by the final image listed on the page, which is a much better shot. If you disagree, feel free to reinsert it. Feenix(talk • email) 01:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave this image on first position long time ago, because somebody was complaining about historical images to be first(of course at that time it was the one with nazi symbols). I think there should be one modern color view as first, so reader can on first view see what is article about. (I am not sure everybody can recognize what is on the b&w 1871 image.) --Li-sung 11:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My problem with the images in this article is there are too many making the page quite lengthy. Like most topics, there are many images that could be included from the web and user's own collections. However they cannot all possibly be incorporated and we should therefore choose the best. I propose we leave this for a week and then take action depending on what the majority of replies, if any, say within this talk page. Feenix(talk • email) 13:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yup, I see your point there. Can I suggest we add  since this will link to all Wikimedia Commons content related to this article and remove the need to include every image. This will of course mean updating the tags on applicable content on Wikimedia Commons. Feenix(talk • email) 10:53, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Removed 

message: It says in the article:
:However, in 1961, the gate was closed when the Berlin Wall was built. Americans placed large warning signs at their side of the gate, reading in English, Russian, French and German: "End of the Free World. You are leaving the American Zone."
The second sentence is obviously wrong for the following reasons, and I'm deleting it.
*First error: the Brandenburg Gate was on the boundary between the British and Soviet zones. The American zone in that area only went as far north as Potsdamer Platz. So the Americans would not have placed a sign and if there was one it would not refer to the American zone.
*Second error: "You are leaving the (name) zone" signs only make sense at points where it is possible to leave the zone. Once the Wall was established, the Brandenburg Gate was not a crossing point — as the article mentions, it was closed.  Of course, it was a crossing point before the Wall was built.
 
*Possible third error: The famous sign at Checkpoint Charlie did not use the term "Free World", only the "American sector".  See the replica here.  I assume  all signs at zone boundaries would have used a uniform wording, but I don't know.  I also don't know whether the British erected such signs at the boundaries of their zones and, if so, whether they were uniform with the American ones.
The reason I post this here at all is because it seems just possible to me that a sign might have been erected after the Wall went up as a political statement rather than a practical notice, and if so, that it might have been worded differently.  So maybe the sentence is a distortion of that, and should be corrected rather than deleted.  However, I would have thought that if such a sign existed, I would have seen pictures of it. So I'm guessing that the contributor was simply confused, and was misremembering the Checkpoint Charlie sign. (I never went to Berlin myself until after the Wall came down.)
As to the location of the zones and Wall crossing points, they are shown here; and the Potsdamer Platz article confirms that it is the place where the American zone met the other two.
207.176.159.90 01:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaving the free world 

message: The article says that the quadriga currently contains the Goddess of Peace. It also mentions that in 1814, the quadriga depicted the Goddess of Victory. Was there a transition from one to the other that is not mentioned, or is the decription inconsistent? I have added a cleanup-confusing template. -postglock 03:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: @Postglock I thought it was supposed to be Irene the goddess of peace, at least at one stage of its history. 84.71.60.179 (talk) 13:15, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goddess of...? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:5-DEM-REV-122x62.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Polacy Berlin1.jpg

message: I'm confused. In the English wiki it states that the building was erected as a monument for peace. In the German wiki it states: "das dem Andenken an den Krieg des unmittelbar zuvor verstorbenen Friedrich II. diente, von dessen Verdiensten auch etwas Glanz auf den Neffen und Nachfolger fallen sollte." In short it was a remembrance to the successful wars of Frederick II
(In the Dutch it states it was a remembrance to an invasion of the Dutch Republic in the 1780's)
Does anybody know the right reason? (I tend to go for the German version.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by H.Flashman(VC) (talk • contribs) 19:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monument for what? 

message: I don't think current politics should be interjected into every stinking place, person or thing a presidential hopeful mentions or visits.  A passing reference that is to be removed a few months down the road is the only thing that could happen in these scenarios.  Reagan's speech is well known and brought up frequently as the "tear down this wall" eventually became a well known phrase.  He did return after reunification to make another speech and this isn't mentioned but Clinton's speech is.  Obama, on the other hand, didn't even speak at this wall.  It was a modern story that deserves no place here unless one would like to bring up every single reference to the gate.  Better start adding some lines in this case....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.229.171.44 (talk) 17:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and put a heading in for the political info.  Editors can then decide what to include/exclude there without affecting the rest of the article.--MartinezMD (talk) 04:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The talking on this page is to be about the ARTICLE.  If it's not about the article, it doesn't go here.--MartinezMD (talk) 21:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As a beginner, I am only putting comments in 'Talk' sections so editors can then decide what to include/exclude in the Article.  If you were to 'google' the terms "celebrate 20 years berlin wall" you will find numerous articles about the celebration coming on November 9th (Monday) to be at the Brandenburg Gate!  I had searched around for where to put my humble observation and comment, and found this Talk-paragraph to be the only one to my liking.  Thanks to Dr. Martinez (whom I enjoy reading) for the comment about Talk being for improving Articles.  Hope my humble comment/thought will help (soon.)  Here is the first reference I clicked on: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aTPRv6wyd3eg and one sentence (with links): "The 5 million euro ($7.4 million) party opens at 7 p.m. on Nov. 9, with Barenboim conducting the Staatskapelle Berlin at the Brandenburg Gate." Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I consider the TALK as an extension of the ARTICLE for people very interested in every detail. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 03:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Plus, President Barack H. Obama appeared on the big screen before the Brandenburg Gate audience and broadcast to the world. 71.102.92.13 (talk) 05:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Successfully put a sentence in for celebration at the Brandenburg Gate. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:45, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added an external link, best I could find: Pictures at Brandenburg Gate on November 9, 2009 Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics 

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message: One thing that I think could really improve this article is an animated map showing the gate's original function as a gateway to the city (i.e., which side was "outside" and which side was "inside"? & was there an ancient Berlin Wall, and if so, what were its metes?), the gate as a point of division between Cold War East and West Berlin, and the gate as it stands now in reunified Berlin. Robert K S (talk) 20:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Desired: animated map 

message: The political history section does not talk about how (around 1970?) the East turned the crowning sculpture so that the horses' rears faced West, and how this change has been reversed.
Anyone have a good reference for this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.136.83.19 (talk) 07:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If true, you could simply say, 'The horses faced West, then East, and now West again.' Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 22:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was done as a deliberate insult, it'd be important to mention it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.136.83.19 (talk) 00:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sourcing (primary and secondary) is paramount and a pillar of Wikipedia! Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 03:26, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

text:  Thanks! That should put an end to this thread.  btw, do you have a source on that?   :-)   ;-)   Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here is a source, but don't take it seriously. http://www.toonpool.com/cartoons/Fu%C3%9Fballfans%20vorm%20Brandenb.%20Tor_5690 ;-} Alandeus (talk) 15:44, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quadriga turned by the GDR 

message: a picture of the ruined gate after the battle for berlin would be interesting! 69.171.162.117 (talk) 10:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  the gate in 1945 

message: During the night of 2/3 August 1958, the East Berlin magistrate had the Iron Cross and the (Prussian) eagle removed from the Quadriga wreath (as "symbols of Prussian-German militarism"), as you, for example, can see on gallery photographs taken between 1961 and 1989. It stayed like this during the GDR era until 1990, when they were reinstalled. Should this be mentioned? -- megA (talk) 15:14, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Iron Cross and eagle from the Quadriga by East Berlin 

message: I'm correcting the names of the gates of Berlin to the correct german for "Gate", which is "Tor", not "Thor". 201.70.15.130 (talk) 13:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tor, not Thor 

message: An historic one.  Where are the ideas, drafts?Wikipietime (talk) 12:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am anxious of the McCain reaction considering; "But in 2008, German Chancellor Angela Merkel refused to let Mr. Obama, then a candidate for president, speak at the historic site, saying it was an honor reserved only for sitting presidents. Mr. Obama instead made a major campaign speech not far from the gate, an event that drew a crowd of more than 200,000.
The speech was mocked by the campaign of Sen. John McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, which aired an ad called “Celebrity” and compared Mr. Obama to Paris Hilton."Wikipietime (talk) 12:46, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013 Obama Speech 

message: The article doesn't state the dimensions. I visited the article to check the height of the monument.
This is basic information, that one would expect to find.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.126.119.98 (talk) 23:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dimensions? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Since we're both at WP:3RR - let's work this out. I understand you wish to use the image you uploaded - however, the previous image is clearly the better choice, because:
* It gives a full, daytime view of the Brandenburg Gate, which is the "natural" and "appropriate" representation of the structure. Your claim that the columns and the quadriga can be shown in greater detail cannot stand in this case. When a reader thinks of the Brandenburg Gate, they will expect to see the whole structure, rather than its architectural details.
* It is of significantly higher quality, which would again defeat your argument over its details. The angle from which your image is taken actually obscures the quadriga - and the quality of the image (lighting and composition) does not really do justice to the columns either.
 reverted your edit twice last month - so I'm sure I'm not alone in my assessment. That you went for 3RR twice in a short period seems to suggest that you really, really want to use your image, despite the objections of two other editors. Morningstar1814 (talk) 20:28, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please respond to my request for discussion. Continuing to revert without given a proper reason, resorting to incivility and ownership behavior is not helpful. Morningstar1814 (talk) 19:38, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: the previous image is better, a complete view of everything is better than a small part of the monument.LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 12:52, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Nighttime images are pretty, but hopeless at illustrating buildings. I'm putting the "previous image" back - the current one seems never to have bween discussed. Johnbod (talk) 16:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image 

message: Amazing 1930's era photo of the gate available here:
https://www.life.com/history/adolf-hitler-at-50-color-photos-from-a-despots-birthday-april-1939/ 
see the last photo on this page.  This might be a good photo to add to the wiki article...  photographer: Hugo Jaeger, Color photos of Hitler's 50th birthday as published by LIFE magazine..
174.158.41.200 (talk) 22:00, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The photo doesn't belong to WP. Your first hurdle would be getting licensing for it. MartinezMD (talk) 16:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berlin’s Brandenburg gate and colonnades were lit up at night in honor of Adolf Hitler’s 50th birthday, April 20, 1939. 

message: I just noticed that in both 1945 photos (12 July, June) a large part of the Gate's top is covered by a red drape or board.Does anyone know (or could help me find out) if this was to cover some Nazi inscription or just a communist symbol? --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 23:12, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  mid-1945 covering of the Gate's top 

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