Talk:Stanford Law School

message: Tommy Goldstein is a lecturer at Stanford Law School.  He co-teaches the Supreme Court Litigation Clinic with Pamela Karlan.  He also runs the popular ScotusBlog.  I vote for re-adding him to the Notable Faculty list.
There are also several notable faculty whose names already have articles: Larry Kramer and Richard Ford are two that I checked. Not sure how we should deal with this.  Other notable faculty that could be added: Mark Kelman, Thomas Grey, Robert Weisberg, Barbara Freid, George Fisher, Marcus Cole, Pamela Karlan, Mark Lemley, Barbara Babcock, Larry Marshall (off the top of my head...)
-Dana Powers 21:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: : The ranking information on the Stanford, Harvard, & Yale (and perhaps other) law school pages seems disproportionate and over-emphasized in the early part of the article.  Moreover it seems likely to encourage the kinds of disputes among afficionados of one school or the other tweaking endlessly to pull out particular rankings.  I think on all these law schools that a general statement of prestigiousness & reference to the admittedly important US News rankings, historically contextualized, is useful. But comparisons b/w the different law schools are too specific for the top portion. I'm proposing to edit it down, but since it seems to be a frequently edited section in some of the articles I'm announcing for discussion here first.(Cross-posting to talk pages for SLS, HLS, YLS, maybe others.) --LQ 20:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yale, Harvard, Columbia have all been cleaned up by other editors so that rankings information doesn't dominate to such an extent. I haven't touched Stanford yet because others are still actively editing, but suggest the other Stanford Law School editors look at Yale Law School, Harvard Law School, Columbia Law School. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lquilter (talk • contribs) 15:04, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  As if to prove my point, numerous IP editors keep coming in and tweaking the wording to talk about "seven of nine years" or "X behind Y in Z year" etc.  This level of specificity about one set of rankings -- even the almight USN&WR rankings -- is too much for an intro paragraph in the article. I've dropped it down to a manageable sentence that accurately describes the prestigiousness without getting into the nitty-gritty specifics.  It is now more in keeping with Harvard Law School, Columbia Law School, Yale Law School, and so on. There's a lot more that's important to a school than it's rankings and the article will be much better if we focus on prestigious alum, curricular strengths, influential faculty, and petty scandals other substantive information. --lquilter 19:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: rankings information

message: Recent edits to this article have included the fact that a 3.4 mean is enforced in exam classes. The cite given only lists stanford has having this mean, though it says that top schools are raising their means. It is my understanding that Harvard also curves to a 3.4 (any HLS students out there?). I don't see how this specificity is relevant, at least without including this same detail in other top law schools wiki profiles. As it stands, it makes it seem like Stanford is grade inflating in a way other schools aren't. If it's  thought to be a relevant fact for this article, I'd say it should only be included if it's included in at least some articles about peer schools (it is not in Harvard, Columbia, NYU, or Chicago's profiles, and Yale does not give grades in the traditional sense). Thoughts?
To the persistent editor -- if I'm missing some reason why it's relevant, please explicate here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.44.212.48 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 26 December 2006
: Agree with user 75.44.212.48 -- the information alone is not relevant.  If we have an article somewhere talking about grade curves, grade inflation, etc., and there's a point to be made about Stanford particularly, or Stanford in relation to other schools, then we can make the point; but the curve alone is not helpful.  Also it needs a cite, because someone (not a Stanford student speaking from "common knowledge" at Stanford) needs to be able to verify this info. --lquilter 16:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "hugely" important to law students currently in the school, and people considering going to Stanford -- something less than a thousand people out of the entire world.  ... Look, honestly I don't have a problem, per se, with the information; but as it is, it's a bit out of context. This information isn't in most school pages, and people don't really know how to assess it.  I would suggest that there needs to be an article on curving grades (maybe there is already), explaining how curves work, what they mean in the context of schools, why they're important (becuase nobody but the thousand law students at a school knows or cares why they're important), and how they operate in overall law school / legal culture -- including accusations of grade inflation at top tier schools. Just sticking it in as it is leads to questions from folks like me and user:75.44.212.48 about "why".  Buttressing it with background as to why, elsewhere in wikipedia, will help it all make sense; improve wikipedia; and improve the various law school articles.  But right now, the fact that yes, it is important to law students, just doesn't adequately explain why it should be in the article. --lquilter 21:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mean GPA Information

message: I've added an NPOV tag to this article, which is almost comically biased.  The "Academics and Admissions section" is particularly bad; it reads as though it was taken verbatim from promotional material.  Lest I be taken for a troll, I should note that the HLS paage is even worse. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elliotreed (talk • contribs) 04:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV tag 

message: As stated in my edit summary, the pass rate change justification is "Use 'most recent' per Template:Infobox law school guidelines. Please see discussion at Template talk:Infobox law school". This is a problem not just with SLS, but multiple law school articles.  The template needs changing and discussion has opened there.  Please contribute. --S. Rich (talk) 03:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pass rate data -- discussion is on [[Template talk:Infobox law school]]