Talk:Tynemouth Priory and Castle

message: I've moved this page to Tynemouth Castle and Priory because it the stub already talks about both and as they are on the same site it makes sense to keep the information together. If the article ever grows too large we can split them. Thryduulf 23:24, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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message: Pics are dark. Can the originator lighten them up please?--Light current 01:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: What is the source for the four Viking attacks on the putative Anglo-Saxon monastery? I have referred to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle which is silent about Viking activity in Northumbria on the four dates. The Chronology goes as follows:
792 (No mention of Osred's death)
793 Attack on Lindisfarne
794 Attack on Jarrow - "some came alive to shore and were quickly killed at the river's mouth" (Why not attack the more visible Tynemouth then?)
796 Succession of Eardwulf in Northumbria
798 A great battle in Northumbria at Whalley
800 "The moon darkened during the second hour of the night on January 16th."
803 Higbald, bp of Lindisfarne d.
806 Eardwulf of Northumbria driven from his kingdom
832 "Archbishop Wulfred passed away. Abbot Feologild passed away."
851 Vikings overwinter
855 Vikings make a base at Sheppey
865 "The heathen force stayed in Thanet, and accepted peace from the Kentish; the Kentish promised them money for the truce. Beside the promise of money, the army stole up by night and ravaged all eastern Kent."
866 The arrival of The Great Army
867 The Great Army attacks Northumbria. Fighting centred on York
868 The Great Army moves into Mercia (south from York)
869 The Great Army returns to York
870 "The force went over Mercia to East Anglia and took winter quarters at Thetford. St Edmund fought against the m and the Danes took the victory, killed the king, and overcame all the land. They destroyed all the churches they came to; the same time they came to Peterborough, they burned and broke, killed the abbot and monks, and all they found there. They made that which was very great such that it became nothing. That year, archbishop Ceolnoth died."
873 The force went into Northumbria and took winter quarters at Torksey in Lindsey.
875 " ... Healfdene went with some of the force into Northumbria, and took winter quarters by the River Tyne; the force overcame that land. ..."
876 Healfdene shared out Northumbrian land and they were ploughing and providing for themselves.
(All quotes / paraphrases from "The Anglo Saxon Chronicles" collated by Anne Savage (Crescent Books, 1995))
I could understand the events of 870 eclipsing the small doings of Northumbria, but 794 suggests that there was no easy target at the mouth of the Tyne if they had to sail up the river to find Jarrow. In 800 nothing more than a lunar eclipse is worthy of comment and in 832 a couple of clerical deaths are the highlight. The events of 865 were hardly so momentous that it would eclipse an attack upon a monastery, for Kent was almost as unimportant to the chroniclers of Wessex as the doings in Northumbria. 
The only date that lines up is 875, but here the statement that the army came overland suggests that the winter quarters could have been anywhere between Tynemouth and Haltwhistle - with Corbridge or Newcastle being favourites thanks to the existence of Roman roads leading to those places.
If it turns out that there is a contemporary source for these events, then fair enough. If the source is as late as Simeon of Durham, these sections should be changed to "are said to" or similar.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gruffling (talk • contribs) 13:57, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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message: I have removed several sections without citations and the "Priors Soldiers and Kings" online article as a reference as it is without a listed author or any sources. Rewritten several sections. Overall restructure.  SeanPadraig (talk) 18:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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