Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 15

message: Hi everyone! I have nominated Ladakh for FA. Please leave your comments and help it acheive FA standards. deeptrivia (talk) 19:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ladakh]] is FAC 

message: Bismillah Khan is this week's INCOTW. I had just put the INCOTW tag when I saw the news of his death. Please contribute to make this a great article. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 07:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ustad Bismillah Khan 

message: I created this list so that all protected areas can be viewed in one page, and can be updated easily. Data is from ministry website and is a year old, please help in expanding it and tabulating the raw data. Also needs standardisation of coloumns for different tables -- PlaneMad|YakYak 10:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Protected areas in India]] 

message: Please give your comments as to whether this picture should be removed from featured status. This is not soliciting your vote. Just an attempt to involve people who would have knowledge on the subject -- Lost(talk) 18:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/India-locator-map-blank]] 

message: Hello, There a request put up for her picture on the article talk page  --hydkat 20:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture request for [[Romila Thapar]] 

message: An anon recently made this series of edits to the Maneka Gandhi article. Some are good, but most look like a whitewash. Can someone more knowledgable than I please sort through, revert the bad ones, and keep the good ones? Raul654 19:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Maneka Gandhi]]

message: Did anybody get to meet him at Delhi today? Saw him on CNN IBN.
Is the Bangalore meet-up given here, same as the Infovision conference that Sundar spoke of above?-- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK18:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't get to meet him, as (sadly) 5 people didn't sign up for a wikimeet. --May the Force be with you!  Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 18:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimbo 

message: Please check edits made by Pilliap -- PlaneMad|YakYak 12:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandal 

message: Please comment on this . Its been up for 6 days now and the response has been poor, not sure what corrections to make -- PlaneMad|YakYak 13:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Image:Agasthiyamalai range and Tirunelveli rainshadow .jpg|FPC of rainshadow region]] 

message: User: Tobias Conradi has made a unilateral move from Indian Standard Time to Time in India. Similarly with Pakistan Standard Time. I have reverted both as I believe the name of the timezone is of more importance than a general purpose article. Comments solicited. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Endorse revert, since they are both internationally accepted terms. --May the Force be with you!  Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 17:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IST, PST 

message: Someone has suggested that Bhagirathi River and River Hooghly be merged. Are these in fact the same river? (Note that there are two Bhagirathi Rivers mentioned in that article. Rmhermen 16:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No way. they are common in a sense that bhagirathi is a tributary of ganges while hoogly is a distributary. I am removing the merge tag.nids(♂) 17:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Need help on rivers

message: I'm unclear whether this is the right place to bring it up, but from visiting some articles today (reviewing a 3RR block against User:Holywarrior) and from remembering past contact with this topic, I'm under the impression, that Indian caste system itself and a lot of articles in this topic area are in serious need of co-ordinated effort to make them more encyclopedic (and more correct perhaps, but I can't jugde that). If this is the right place to bring it up, I can elaborate, but I assume most of my concerns are self evident.
On a related question, I noticed additions of caste status to a number of biographies of Indians. Is this a good idea? 
Pjacobi 19:17, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, caste is a major Indian phenomenon. Caste status is good info to state, though most Indians are able to guess for themselves.`Bakaman Bakatalk 02:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian caste system 

message: Good news guys. Jimbo has emailed me saying that he'll definitely meet us in Bangalore, no need for anyone to pay anything. Please raise your hands and let's start preparing for the meet. Someone should shoot for IISc as the venue, and let me try iiit-b. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: when is the bangalore meetup. Is there any chance of meetup in any other city.--nids(♂) 05:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's most likely between September 28-30 in Bangalore. Not sure about other cities. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I am trying a few contacts to look at IISc as a possible venue. The only downside is that it would be a virtual stampede although there are just a handful of people who even consider themselves contributors. Shyamal 09:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bangalore meetup 

message: During the past few days there has been persistent attempts by User:Padmanabhan1 and User:Krishnamjc, who I believe to the same person, to insert links to a website carnaticindia.com into a number of articles relating to classical music. (See Carnatic music and Violin) This is a substandard website offering nothing useful to be included as an External link within any of the article. I have been repetedly removing these links and have warned the user(s) of the consequences.
The site has been created and published by the user (admitted by himself) and has Google adsense in its pages. I believe this to be a blatent attempt at link spamming. I need assistance from an admin to take some action on these user accounts to stop him from wasting our time. - Parthi 23:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the user does that repeatedly, you could post it here. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link spamming  by [[User:Padmanabhan1]] and [[User:Krishnamjc]] 

message: Speakers of Hindi and Bengali please keep a look at :Category:Lacking Hindi text and :Category:Lacking Bengali text.
In case a text in missing in other language, please use :Template:Lacks. --Explendido Rocha 13:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lacking Hindi, Bengali texts 

message: Why do any one assume that Swadhyay and Swadhyay Parivar are one thing? What I mentioned on Swadhyay page was not my opinion, it's the disclosing of facts. Since the matter is not in front of me now, I can't say what could Gurubrahma have thought being my opinion? Could someone copy-paste my text so I can recheck it. Swadhyay Pariwar is trying to monopolise the activities dictated in Hindu religious scripture Srimad Bhagwad Geeta. Search Google and you will come across Jain Swadhyay Centres. Since you say, even if my actions of reverting re-direction of Swadhyay to Swadhyay Pariwar were wrong, redirecting Swadhyay to Swadhyay Pariwar by Gurubrahma is also not a right thing. If one is conscious about wikipedia to remain an encyclopedia, one should not encourage such monopolisation of some dictate of Geeta and let the true meaning of Swadhyay be known to the viewers.
Hope someone will do the needful.
With Regards,
Swadhyayee 14:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, please check the history of Swadhyay. I haven't redirected it, someone else did it. Pl. get ur facts right before making other wikipedians spend their time in investigating the issue. It would also be great if you can spend some time in understanding how WP works. TIA, --Gurubrahma 05:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why redirecting of Swadhyay to Swadhyay Pariwar? 

message: To,
Superghosh for his asking on my talk page. 
Thanks but no sir, can we allow a absolute false claim and just put a tag it is not their monopoly. I don't think, it would be appropriate. The present day followers of Pandurang Shashtri Athavale have been considering their activities super natural and resorted to violence when old Swadhyayees left Pandurang Shashtri for his wrongs and tried to carry on Swadhyay activities. One lady, Kantaben Thakkar was threatened to be un-dressed (remove her saree) if she went to take any Swadhyay centre of her own. Daughter-in-law of Prof.S.K.Joshi was threatened that she will be raped in presence of her husband and father-in-law if her father-in-law did not stop from exposing wrongs. Bones of old Swadhyayees like Vinoo Sanchania, Vinod Shah & Shakar Thakkar have been broken and ultimately Pankaj Trivedi killed on 15/06/2006 at Ahmedabad. Their killiers are Swadhyayee and have told in their confessional statement that Pankaj Trivedi was killed for protecting Vedic Culture. See their belief that Vedic Culture is their monopoly so they can kill anyone who they think is destroying Vedic Culture!!! What Pankaj Trivedi had done was exposing of non-utilisation of funds collected for Kutchch earth quake relief, Sought accounts of charitable trusts and filed a case for closing of a public temple created were Pankaj Trivedi was instrumental in it's creation.
The sentence "It (Swadhyay) was created by Pandurang Shashtri" is a false claim and grossly mis-leading.
What do every one think, should be done?
Swadhyayee 15:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Without the sentimentalism, make a section on controversy. I'm also a Swadhyayi, but I don't edit the article.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we write on Swadhyay Parivar page that it's not their monopoly? 

message: Can anyone clarify whether the B.Tech. degree is considered a proper noun and written as "Bachelor of Technology", or a common noun and written like "bachelor of technology". Another similar confusion exists over the proper/common status of organisations like HMC (Hall Management Committee) of IIT Kharagpur. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally, it is written as "Bachelor of Technology."nids(♂) 15:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion over nouns 

message: Too bad to see only two noms active and virtually no votes - is INCOTW dead? Please folks, either vote for the current noms or make new noms (though the latter wd reduce chances of my nom making it to INCOTW, it is ok; INCOTW shd be alive and kicking). Another unrelated observation: I find it highly unnecessary to have It's new on both INWNB as well as a subpage - the subpage hasn't ben updated in whole of August! May be it's time to just link to the sub-page from INWNB and not update it here? --Gurubrahma 15:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also like to echo Guru. Indianized kingdom did not get a single edit in entire week of it being chosen as INCOTW . And looks like the same is going to happen to this week with CII. We are regularly churning out FAs and DYKs but are wasting a chance by ignoring INCOTW. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 16:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Saved CII from the disgrace...:( I think the problem is the policy of allowing only short/stub articles as INCOTW candidate. The previous policy of allowing any article demanding improvement was probably better. Participation was far more in past.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. That stub rule was introduced by Ganeshk. Should we do away with it? What say? But there should be an understanding that already developed articles like Ahmedabad should not be nominated just to nudge them towards FA. That should be done only through PR. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 08:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gasp, gasp; resuscitate INCOTW!! 

message: A new user Anil raaz (talk • contribs • [ page moves] • block user • [ block log]) is continuously vandalizing the Aggarwal page. I have warned him too. How should i deal with it. I dont want anyone to bite a newcomer, just to point him out his error.nids(♂) 16:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's not familiar with the neutral point of view and our policies of citing sources. Do this: When he cites something new, challenge him to cite credible, independent sources. For aggrandizing edits, point the user to WP:NPOV and WP:AWW and give examples why his edits go against these principles. If he continues, mention that wikipedia has policies in place for suspending the editing rights of those who fail to adhere to established policies. And always try and steer him to an article talk for discussion instead of a user talk page. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How should we deal with new user

message: List of Indian postage stamps is being put up for deletion as it has been empty for almost 2 years! Inviting all to fill it up with whatever they know. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Indian postage stamps 

message: Even after repeated warnings by Nichalp and others, Vkvora continues to spam talk pages. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've blocked him for 24 hours. =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He has continued his monologue on his talk page and even removed the block message.- Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That shows that he is against receiving negative feedback. He had also emailed me about the block, 'thanking me' for the same. This should serve as a wakeup call for him. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page spam 

message: Hi Indian language wiki admins. Recently, we added some code to find out the 100 most commonly visited articles in Tamil wikipedia and the most common referrers. This helps us understand the visitors and concentrate on the frequently visited articles so that we grab new users. I thought this'll be useful for other Indian  Wikipedias as well. You need to make this change to Mediawiki:Monobook.js (remember to change "ta" to your language code wherever applicable). Once you make this change, inform here so that he can set up the database. Once that's done you'll get nice stats like this. 
I've already sounded HPN for :kn:. We should at least do this for :mr:, :bn:, :hi: and :te: (more active ones as far as I've noticed) apart from Tamil and Kannada. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pageview stats and referrer logs 

message: I recently merged Saint Thomas Mount into St. Thomas Mount. I have some concerns regarding this article:
* Reading both articles prior to merging, I found that they seemed to contain contradictory information. St. Thomas Mount says that St. Thomas was killed by a shot of an arrow, whereas Saint Thomas Mount says that St. Thomas was pierced by a lance. Now which is correct? I checked External links and found that that the pierced by a lance version is found in the 5th link. But I could not find the shot of an arrow version anywhere.
Note that I have taken the information in Saint Thomas Mount and merged it into St. Thomas Mount. So the article now contains both versions!!
* The article really is in need of urgent wikification.
* Someone has suggested a merger with Santhome. Since they are different localities in Chennai (but may have a common history), I feel it is better they were separate articles. Any comments? The Silent Contributor 09:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. Thomas Mount 

message: Thanks Bakaman for your being frank and sporty.
With due apology, I take liberty to discuss something that one may consider to be personal. Since, you said you are NRI & go to Swadhyay Kendra, I left because I feel that you are viewed or judged from the company you keep. I left more because, I prefer to be a sinner than hypocrite. I saw Dada using goondas in a meeting I was invited.
To me this was a medium of bringing back Vedic Culture or Ram Rajya for which I gave my young life at the cost of necessary entertainment, basic necessity, duty towards family, business and consequential earning and even submitting to blokes like people. There are thousands who did so.
I think, each one is right in not allowing this medium to rot. Where you see wrong, you have to speak that's your duty to your conscience and your Lord. I spoke, I am speaking.
With Best Regards,
Swadhyayee 13:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And your point is...? Please remember that this is the Notice board for India-related topics. Please leave personal messages on user talk pages so that this page does not get cluttered up. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 14:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Swadhyayee, this page is for serious work. Posts such as these should be left on user talk pages. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swadhyayee for one hour a week. 

message: Uploaded quite a few maps of regions for List_of_regions_in_India. Someone please add them to the concerned articles from commons:Category:WikiProject_India_Maps -- PlaneMad|YakYak 18:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with maps 

message: Please add /Bangalore meetup, 2006 to your respective watchlists. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: will he be directly flying to bangalore, or will he make a stopover at bombay or delhi??nids(♂) 16:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bangalore meetup details 

message: Hi,
Can fellow Wikipedians please talk a look at User:ISKapoor's continual attempt to re-insert Devanagari on Chandi di Var and Bichitra Natak (see Talk:Bichitra Natak for the discussion).  Aside from the fact that there shouldn't be such mass of text in the article anyway, there is no relevance in having Devanagari because it was not used in the original.
ISKapoor continues to reinsert the Devanagari based on the premise that it makes it 'more accessible'.  Sure, Devanagari suitable transliterations would be better for Wikipedias based on Devanagari script, but they're not relevant here on the ENGLISH Wikipedia.
Please could users give their opinions on the matter. I have no interest in continually getting involved in reverting the page. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Devanagari use 

message: I'd like to know if the above two songs are in Hindi or Bengali or Sanskrit.  There's a mini edit war going on on those pages(Vande Mataram, Jana Gana Mana)
*If the songs are in Bengali, then the Devanagari transliterations on those pages ought to be removed. 
*If the songs are Hindi, then the Bengali transliterations ought to be removed.
*If the songs are in Sanskrit, my question is "why do we need Devanagari transliterations for everything concerning Sanskrit in the first place?"  Who decided and how that Devanagari was the 'right' script to use for articles concerning Sanskrit?  Sanskrit's association with Devanagari is purely a North Indian(parts of North India) phenomenon and even to this day majority of South India and infact many parts of the rest of India too, dont use Devanagari to read or write Sanskrit. Also it should be remembered that Devanagari was never the 'original' script in which any of the Sanskrit works were written.
*Because of the ambiguity involved, my suggestion for articles involving Sanskrit is to do away entirely with the use of any vernacular scripts and stick to IAST, IPA and/or diacritical marks.  ----- Sarvagnya 17:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, the question arises — where's the added benifit in having a Devanagari version (or any other native version) of the national anthem on the English Wikipedia?  Whether or not Jana Gana Mana is in Bengali or has been transliterated into Hindi is immaterial.  As suggested above, I personally feel that we should move away from adding native translations/transliterations and just stick to English.  AreJay 01:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vande Mataram, Jana Gana Mana

message: On the Vande Mataram article, people have added an urdu translation of the song purported to show Muslims' support for the song.  Even if the article had to mention that many Muslims have voiced their support for the song, isnt it enough if we just  mention that fact?  If need be the translation can be cited or the link can be mentioned in the external links.  
How is it relevant to have the entire text of the urdu translation in the article?  In that case, how about an oriya translation, an assamese translation, a tamil one, a kannada one... there's no end to it.
To draw a parallel, Shakespeare's works are appreciated all over the world and have even been translated into hundreds of languages.  Many of these translations may also have won awards or critical acclaim and hence may be more than notable.  Does that mean we start pasting all those translations on say Othello or Hamlet or whatever?  ----Sarvagnya 17:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the bigger question is what additional value are we getting with the inclusion of native translations for Vande Mataram or Jana Gana Mana.  Unless we're talking about, for example, an original exerpt of Tagore's handwritten lyrics to Jana Gana Mana, which happens to be in Bengali-Devanagari script, I don't think there's any real value in native translations.  Perhaps the best thing to do is to do away with them as suggested above.  AreJay 23:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Urdu translation of Vande Mataram

message: I was browsing through wiki and found a statement since even today many South Indian Hindu communities bury their dead. at . I did put up a fact tag there, but i would like to know about the factual accuracy of this claim. If anybody knows any Hindu family in south india and can vindicate or refute it. Thanks.nids(♂) 22:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a fact.  For example Dr.Rajkumar was buried.  Sarvagnya 00:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the answer. But the Rajkumar page does not clearly mention that he was buried. Thanks anyways, as there must be some communities.nids(♂) 13:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  is it a fact?? 

message: In spirit of WP:∫, I've diffused :Category:Universities and colleges in India as per the guidelines. Now, I aim to diffuse :Category:All India Council for Technical Education. There are many colleges affiliated to AICTE, but few have been categorized here.  This category will go on to become a monster, if we don't start creating sub-categories now. I need suggestions for this. How should the subcategories be named? How's this: :Category:AICTE-approved institutions in Tamil Nadu, :Category:AICTE-approved institutions in Uttar Pradesh etc? utcursch | talk 15:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category diffusion

message: Today (September 11) is the 100th anniversary of the first Non-violence movement started by Mahatma Gandhi. I proposed adding this on the "On this day.." section of the main page (see here), but it seems no one notices that talk page. That page is protected. Could an admin take a look? Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 16:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satyagraha 

message: A discussion took place in the IIT talk page, that resulted in the decision to move the individual IIT articles to their correct titles. For example, Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur needs to be moved to Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur (name without comma). I have moved the pages I could, but need administrator assistance in moving the others. Can an administrator please make the following moves:
#Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur to Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur
#Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay to Indian Institute of Technology Bombay
#Indian Institute of Technology, Madras to Indian Institute of Technology Madras
#Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur to Indian Institute of Technology Kanpur
Thanks, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just curious. Why would you need admin assistance for this? The pages arent protected etc. -- Lost(talk) 14:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because, it involves WP:CUTPASTE. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 14:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And, I've completed the moves. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 15:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks, got it -- Lost(talk) 15:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks from me too. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving IIT articles 

message: I have added three portals that I knew of to a new row in the collaboration opportunities table. Please add more if you know of any -- Lost(talk) 04:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added Kerala, Hyderabad and Tamil Nadu portals to the list. Portal:India's "related portals" section also needs to be updated when new portals are created.-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 04:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  India related portals