Talk:New weird

message: Isn't there some debate over whether the New Weird is anything more than a marketing device? the only thing particularly new about the New Weird is the authors. Speculative catholic 14:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cory was brought up as possibly New Weird in the original discussions on TTA, as was Charles Stross. --Pleasantville 13:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this a genre or merely a marketing device?

message: I have just posted the lost archives of the  big New Weird discussion (June 2003):. Make what you will of it. Pleasantville 21:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Weird discussion 

message: I removed the following and bring it here for discussion:
:Ghostbusters, for example, contains the monstrous Zuul and the "gateway to our world" (a fantasy element), proton packs (science fiction), and ghosts (horror). The interaction of fantasy-horror elements with science fiction technologies is a popular idea in a great deal of contemporary fiction.
This was tacked on to the end of the paragraph about H. P. Lovecraft, and I see the Lovecraftian connection, but there is not much attempt made to really relate this to the rest of the article.  Granted that the definition of New Weird is rather plastic, but is this really relevant? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 02:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ghostbusters]]? 

message: The article feels like it's dealing with something that isn't properly established and is named thus mostly in reference to "weird fiction". Perhaps this is just one of the things worth mentioning in a Weird fiction article? Currently weird fiction redirects to horror fiction, but it's not equivalent as its a genre that takes from Gothic, supernatural and nascent science fiction to help establish currently defined genres like horror, some forms of fantasy, and science fiction. Who is like God? (talk) 07:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird fiction 

message: After reading through the article three times, I still have no idea what the hell "New Weird" IS.  Apparently many people have contributed, editing things in and out, but not one has been able to actually define "New Weird" ... I suggest this entire article be tossed until such time as a real article can be written about it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.96.1 (talk) 17:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is sort of the problem with it as a literary movement as such--there was lots of attempts at discussion of what the heck it was--but it was one(hence it having a problem). You can't make it into something it wasn't.--Pleasantville (talk) 03:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the hell is it? 

message: It has even been dismissed as a marketing ploy, albeit a very deliberate and self-conscious one. 
Excuse me, but how in the world could a marketing ploy, or any kind of ploy, be anything but "deliberate and self-conscious"? That's what ploy means. 
And I concur; this article seems to be about nothing; why the heck does it even exist? I only looked at it because it was linked on the page about "slipstream" fiction -- another puff of vapor in itself. 72.229.55.245 (talk) 04:09, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  bizarre sentence 

message: I've made some significant changes to the article including getting rid of the Influences section and adding a History section instead. I did the revision in a sandbox so I'm just copying over the comments I made on that sandbox's talk page. 
M John Harrison as Originator of term
The citation given for the claim that M. John Harrison first used the term "new weird" in the Tain's introduction does not support that or mention it at all. I tried to find the introduction to the Tain but copies of The Tain are exorbitantly expensive and not available digitally, neither is the introduction. Weinstock's 2016 essay, "The New Weird", does credit Harrison with the phrase but as part of a 2003 forum post. I've changed the Wiki post to match this information.
:I found a citation to support the original 2002 claim. Soudeaforbes (talk) 00:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Revisions (2020)