Talk:Buick V6 engine

message: I see no mention of the power output for the naturally aspirated Series III engine. Was this omitted on purpose?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.28.15.117 (talk) 03:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series III 3.8 Liter 3800 Engine power output 

message: There are a couple of issues on this page that are a bit inaccurate, though I didn't quite know the proper way to rewrite them to fit in the current format.
Down to where the subtitle 3800 is, that paragraph sort of glosses two designs together.
I'm also not entirely sure as to whether the 3.8L ever had a batch fire port injection, or if they were always sequential-fuel injection, even in 1984.
The engines designated with VIN code B, however had flat lifters (tappets), whereas the engines with VIN code 3 had roller lifters (tappets).  Both were still called the 3.8L V6 though.
The 3800 was a redesign . . ECM and sensors are different, as well as some internal changes with "hard parts" internally (on-center bore spacing, among other things).  This was introduced in 1988 and designated by VIN code C.  This redesigned version was officially first referred to as the 3800.
All VIN codes refer to the 8th digit of the VIN.
Some of this information is available at http://www.gnttype.org - particularly http://www.gnttype.org/general/v6hist.html
:I've gotten no information to the contrary on what I've said above, so as of yesterday, I went ahead and made changes to reflect that information. --King V 14:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The 2200, 2800, 3100, 3400, 3500 and 4300 are named as such because they are 2.2L, 2.8L, 3.1L, 3.4L, 3.5L and 4.3L displacement. The 3800 is not named after its bore size... As such I'm removing the information from the article. --93JC 01:18, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
Changed the 225 V6's HP rating to 160, as opposed to 155. My 1966 Buick Service Manual and 1973 Chilton's repair manual show the 225 V6 to have 160hp for 1966. If there was a 1-barrel version of the 225 in earlier years, then it needs to be added that there were 1 & 2 barrel variants. EDIT - 1964-65 models had a 1-bbl carb, and the 66-67 models had a 2-bbl carb. I changed the specs accordingly. There are many sources that show this as true, including the ones mentioned above, along with Rockauto and service manuals I have. 98.125.28.60 (talk) 18:37, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: The LC2 engine has a bore size of 3.80", not 3.8125".  http://www.jepistons.com/cat/je/auto/buick/buick.shtml  I am not sure if the other 3.8 Liter engines have the same bore & stroke.Nly8nchz 07:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 3.8125" reference is incorrect.  All Buick 350 V8s and Buick 231/3.8L V6s have a 3.80" bore. --King V 18:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 3.8 Liter Bore Size

message: Would it make sense to rename this article? "3800" only refers to the late 3.8 engines. The engine is actually named the "Fireball" V6, although it is not commonly referred to by that name anymore. Any other ideas? 
I suspect that the 3.0L might have been used in the L-body cars for a time. I've found a 181 CID V6 listed as an option on mid-1980s Somersets and Skylarks. Anyone have hard facts? Sable232 00:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've actually been thinking along those same lines.  You're right, the 181 CID was used in the mid-1980s on the models you mention, as well as in some of the A-body FWD cars (Century, Cutlass Ciera).  Also, I think the layout/section divisions should be a bit different.  The 3800 designation wasn't used until 1988, and referred to the first engine officially called "Series I".  Ideally, this should be called the "Buick V6 Engine" page, in my opinion, and maybe have the "GM 3800 engine" be a redirect to the 3800 part of the page (which should be where the "Series I" label begins).  Frankly, though, I'm not sure what the section should be called for the engines before 1988.  I've got to admit that I've never heard the "Fireball V6" designation used, either!  Might be a leftover terminology from the 1960s? --King V 14:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The page has been moved, and the double redirects fixed. -- Sable232 17:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaming of page?

message: Ok, does anyone know what the deal is with the L67?  Under the 3800 Series I, the L67 is described as being introduced in 1992 and implies it's based on the Series I.  However, further down under Series II, the L67 is described as being introduced in 1996, thus, obviously, based on the Series II.  Without any clarification on this point, I'd think it's safer to remove references to the L67 in the Series I--King V 22:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither do I.  I'm thinking I'll just actually remove "L67" specifically from the Series I section, but leave all the other info in there, since, as you correctly state, there was a supercharged Series I 3800 available.  I'll give it a little more time though, in case anyone comes up with the correct L designation for it--King V 17:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are three different versions of the L67, all are Vin: 1. Two versions are Series I and one is Series II. They are all confusingly L67s, all Vin code 1. But all the info in the article explains it pretty well. The Series III is very different, but uses the same block also, but is a L32 instead, Vin code 4 IIRC. Wjcollier07 14:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: L67

message: Is it appropriate to have, under the 231 section, lists of years/makes/models that the engine was offered in?  I believe the 231 was available in numerous models, Buick or otherwise, from 1975 to 1977.  The list presented is very incomplete.--King V 21:38, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Buick 231 V6 engine was also used in at least the year 1981 for the Pontiac Le Mans.  I know because I owned one.  This Le Mans was basically the same body as a Bonneville of the same year.  Mine had a ECU controlled 2 bbl DualJet carb and a distributor. 66.37.248.200 (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 231 Usage

message: You know, it's maddening.  Just when the information I have seems to indicate that the 3.8 with fuel-injection ALWAYS had sequential injection (even in the front-drive cars, even in the 1984-1/2 Century), I then come across something else that says otherwise.
So, while I definitely know that 1986 and later front-drive 3.8 V6 engines had sequential fuel injection, I'm not so sure about 1984 and 1985.  Nor am I sure about the 3.0 once it got injection as well.
I would assume that GM wouldn't create a separate computer system (from what they used in the Turbo 3.8) just to have a more primitive injector-firing system in the FWD cars for just those two years.  On the other hand, GM has done some strange things before.
Does anyone have any definitive evidence one way or the other?--King V 18:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 3.8/3.0 FWD injection - Batch fire or Sequential?

message: It seems a bit inappropriate to have definitions of Naturally Aspirated and Supercharged in that heading.  I think they should be removed.  Also, I'm considering a header-rearrangement of sorts, as the 3800 should probably be the same "level" of heading as the Fireball V6, with all the Pre Seriees I, Series I, II, and III as subeadings under that.  Not sure if that's entirely a good idea, though.--King V 18:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3800 V6 section of article 

message: I accept that Plant 36, which built the GM 3800 (née Buick Fireball V6) was closed this year.
Given that fact, however, what is the 3.8 litre V6 powering the base 2009 Buick LaCrosse?
LaCrosse specs & info: http://www.buick.com/ngis/buick/vehicles/2009/lacrosse/features.do?year=2009&brand=lacrosse
Did the factory make enough inventory to last a year after its closing?  Was the manufacture of the 3800 moved to another plant?  Or is the 3.8 currently in use a new design enlarged (or reduced) to 3.8 litres?
Respectfully, SamBlob (talk) 13:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  If the Buick V6 is no more, what powers the base 2009 LaCrosse? 

message: Alright, has anyone else noticed this?  The introductory paragraph for the Series III states that this engine meets SULEV standards, and to the best of my knowledge, the V6s slated to replace it do not.  Yet, in the Future of the 3800 section, it states the reason for ceasing production as being emission standards - presumably implying that this engine couldn't meet the standards.  So, which one is correct?--King V (talk) 23:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for discontinuation self-contradictory? 

message: The engine under the Series II section has just been recalled due to potential fire risks and affects over 1.5 million vehicles.  Maybe a small blurb about this info should be included?
Sources:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/14/gm.recall/index.html
http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-recalls-almost-15-million-38-v6-equipped-cars.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.254.193 (talk) 11:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series II 3.8 Liter 3800 Engine Recall? 

message: A mechanic I know says this engine (one of which I once owned in a `91 LeSabre) is actually
descended from an Olds engine. The article gives only Buick development.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.137.57 (talk) 20:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engine of fine lineage 

message: The L27 in my Pontiac Trans Sport comes with 123 kW (European Version)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShalokShalom (talk • contribs) 06:29, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  L27 

message: The show button is obscured by the abundance of images in that section. The bar can't be opened to view the vehicles as a result. Would you guys be amenable to shifting the images around, or removing one of them? Mr. Chair Chair (talk) 22:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many images crowding out the "show" button on the L67 SII supercharged bar.