Talk:The Venture Bros./Archive 1

message: Should we note that King Gorilla is a parody of Gorilla Grodd, a really pathetic DC Flash villain that is basically a nude talking Gorilla?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_Grodd
: No.12.162.189.80 18:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  King Gorilla's parody 

message: Is it worth noting that Bud Manstrong's personality is written in homage to Psycho's Norman Bates, and that its probably insisting that Manstrong was the one who killed the past crew on "movie night"?
:Depends. Did you arrive at those conclusions yourself, or do they come from something that Jackson or Doc said? 69.169.74.209 22:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bud Manstrong 

message: I think the length of the episode summaries/synopses need to be standardized - some are short, some are too long.  I would cut down some of the longer entries, but for the "don't delete" rule we try to practice here on Wikipedia.  
What do people want to do about this, if anything?
- Lampbane
I think the episode summaries should be removed once the second season starts, otherwise the section will be way too large.  You can provide a link to them from www.tv.com.  --Cholmes75 23:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: tv.com basicaly sucks right now, keep the episode summaries here on wiki.71.110.94.111 01:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode summaries 

message: Dr. Girlfriend having a slashed throat. 
Where did anyone hear this? I have not heard this rumor before. -TwoLittleDolls
4:29, 08 July 2005
According to Jackson Publick, it's a "a total super-lie." -68.69.249.37, 1 August 2005
:Unless someone can reference the rumor or the denial, that sentence needs to be removed. --InShaneee 04:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Slashed Throat Thing

message: The most recent edit added a note that "Past Tense" has not aired since last October due to a pending legal issue. Where is there more information on this? -DynSkeet (talk) 11:57, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Here you go. Jackson Publick's journal: 
Apparently he's not allowed to go into too much detail, but the speculation is that it has to do with the design of the Lesliebots. -68.69.249.37, August 18, 2005
By the way, they might've aired the episode once more in November, during the time that the season was re-run during the week. I'm not sure, though. Does anyone remember?
It would be interesting to know how this will affect the DVD release currently scheduled for early next year. Pulpculture 04:59, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  legal issue? 

message: Have there ever been any statements from the creators as to when the Venture Brothers takes place? I'm curious to know simply based on the information presented in the show itself. There is one episode that specifically would state that it is the late 1990's. Episode 6, "Ghosts of the Sargasso" has 'The Action Man' talking to a dead Major Tom on the communicator wristwatch and stating that "It was sure good times we had back then, but that was almost 30 years ago".
Considering at the beginning of the episode it shows that Major Tom's spaceship crashes into the Bermuda Triangle in 1969, this would of course, appear to put the show somewhere near 1995 or possibly as late as 1998. The show had its original run in 2004 (save for the pilot in 2003), which leaves a gap of 5-10 years. Anyone know of any stated reasons for this? It seems curious, simply because the technology presented to us in the show appears to be on par (of not much more advanced) than what we currently have in the real world.
Thanks in advance. captbananas 13:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Timeframe? 

message: I'm not going to remove that information again, but if you are going to state in your edit that "Jackson [Christopher McCulloch] has stated that he intended it to sound like Romano", then I need to see that cited if i'm going to allow it to be left in. I personally read his LJ blog and have never seen him state that, so I want to know where you got this "reputable" information from. Thanks. captbananas 00:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He said it on Voucher Ankles:  69.169.74.209 01:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, now if anyone decides to remove that information we have that here, out in the open. Thanks for the link! captbananas 01:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray Romano-esque Henceman 

message: Actually, "Number 21" is a parody of the Star Wars Kid. In the episode - Tag Sale, Your It! - the henchmen does a shortened, but almost step for step copy of what we have seen in the Star Wars Kid video. So Thumperward, your removal has no merit. I will leave it up to other editors to come to a consensus on putting it back (it's not terribly important information anyway). But I just wanted to let you know that you are incorrect. captbananas 01:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually its really only in that one episode where we see Number 21's Star Wars fixation, and the one sequence in that episode parodys the Star Wars Kid, but that doesn't necessarily mean the character is based on him. -th1rt3en 02:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The information he removed didnt refer to him being a "Star Wars Fanatic" that remains. The information Thumperward removed stated that he was a parody of the Star Wars Kid. So if we go off what you state than we should reverse that info, because he did in fact parody Star Wars Kid, but he may, or may not be a Star Wars  fan. captbananas 03:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what Th1rt3en is saying. The fact that that scene was a reference to the Stars Wars Kid does not make the character a parody of the Star Wars Kid. 69.169.74.209 09:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno. I think the fact that he is obviously spoofing the Star Wars Kid, should also indicate that at least for the duration of "Number 21"'s fight with Brock (I say fight, but mean the lack thereof) he is a parody of the Star Wars Kid. It's at least a notable mention in a few words, considering it has to do with popular culture, and "The Venture Bros." have always been on the ball with that kind of thing. captbananas 18:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, the Star Wars Kid is not the only thing the character has spoofed. The end of "Return to Spider Skull Island" had the two henchmen spoofing a scene from Easy Rider (http://tviv.org/The_Venture_Bros./Return_to_Spider-Skull_Island). So I believe the character, other then the one scene, really has nothing to do with the Star Wars Kid. -th1rt3en 20:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, if you think the scene is notable enough to include in the article, then I think it really belongs in a "trivia" section (along with stuff like the Easy Rider reference, David Bowie lyrics, etc.).69.169.74.209 21:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. You - th1rt3en - mention that they also spoof Easy Rider and that is mentioned in the article, so why disinclude mention (wherever it may go, trivia, or elsewhere) of the Star Wars Kid? You cant pick and choose these things, either you include pop culture references or you dont. On that note, I will remove extra information directly attached to "Number 21", but I will move said information to the "trivia" section. Arguments? captbananas 02:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This reference is so trivial as to warrant its omission from that paragraph on grounds of keeping the article a sane length. Venture Bros typically spoofs a good dozen things per episode. Listing them all might be an easy way to contribute to an article, but it tends to turn the article into unreadable slush. What brought the SWK thing to my attention was that it was appallingly phrased. Your pop culture reference section is perfect just now, so I just hope it doesn't become a dumping ground for other such references in future. Chris Cunningham 09:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I've got my eye on the section and i'll attempt to keep it free of incredible length, but that will be a task all in its own. captbananas 17:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Wars Kid reference 

message: Just because I know someone is going to question my change to the article regarding having Brock and H.E.L.P.eR. "watching" in Dr. Venture's moment of passion, I just watched my taped version of Episode 2: Careers in Science, where this exchange takes place. I wrote down the conversation word for word, so now it will be FOREVER cleared up.
Hank and Dean back and forth: "Knock it off" "Wuss" "Knock it off" "Wuss"...
Dr. Venture: "Boys for the last time, stop! Brock is trying to drive!"
Brock: "I'm cool."
Hank and Dean (at same time): "He started it!"
Dr. Venture: "No I started it years ago in a moment of passion and i'll end it the same way, right here, in front of Brock, H.E.L.P.eR., and God! Now sit on your hands, and keep your mouths shut!"
I suppose if you want to take it that way, Dr. Ventures statement could infer that he will "end" the boys the same way he "started" them. However, because of the pauses in his speaking pattern (which, you obviously cant detect in readings this) it's obvious he means he will simply "end" the boys in front of Brock, H.E.L.P.eR., and God. Thank you. captbananas 17:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification on the subject of the "Moment of Passion" 

message: A number of other TV show articles have a seperate page for characters (and yet another for minor characters). Since this page is pretty long with a lot of it being character breakdowns how about we go ahead and make Characters from The Venture Brothers and Secondary Venture Brothers Characters pages? Bdve 03:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My issue with that is soley this: removing all the information pertaining to characters (which makes up the bulk of the article) will severly shorten it. So instead of one slightly long-ish article, we'll have three (four if you count the episode listing) very short ones pertaining to the same show. I dont know if this is the general style ruling, but to me that just seems silly. I really dont think the episode is that long. However, we might wait untill June rolls around, and if they introduce a host of new characters worth noting in Season 2, than we can definatly do this. Just my two cents. captbananas 17:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think it's necessary just yet. The article was a bit too long back when it had the episode summaries, but ever since the episode page was created, the length of the article seems fine to me.69.169.74.209 19:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It might help if the only characters mentioned are recurring characters.  Some of the characters listed, like the Manservant, Buck Manstrong, and Mr. Brisby, are only around for one episode.  There's no real reason why those characters should be listed while other episode-specific characters are not.209.11.161.235 22:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That I could agree with. Most of the characters in "Others" (besides Molotov, Jonas, and Impossible) are single episode characters that we may never see again. Race Bannon could go too. I think Jackson said that Manstrong's going to be in Season 2, though. 69.169.74.209 09:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Following other show and show characters articles, I just moved the whole list to a new article and made succinct (hopefully) paragraphs of major and notable characters.  If you should believe this makes this article short, I wouldn't count on the size universally affecting the article.  Plus, I'm planning on adding more information later.  Moreover, since the section's been condensed I believe it will make people focus less on improving that section and more on improving the article as a whole. My two cents. Slof 02:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Split off the "Characters" sections