Talk:Azerbaijan/Archive 1

message: I wonder if it would be informative to also note the many powerful people that sit or have sat on the US-Azeri Chamber of Commerce.  Certainly, it would be POV to assert that this has been an influence on US policy toward Azerbaijan and its tolerance, accomodation and some would say encouragement of Ilham Aliev, but readers might deserve to draw their own conclusions from the fact that Ilham Aliez sits on the Chamber with Brzinski, Kissinger, James Baker III, Cheney, Armitage, Scofcroft, etc. http://www.usacc.org/contents.php?cid=267.184.111.43 04:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: US-Azeri Chamber of Commerce

message: Azerbaijan is Iranian and always will be.  "azerbaijani" culture is PERSIAN!!!!
Pan-turanists (turks) are trying to deny Azeri people their Persian heritage. Turks from Turkey are making up false claims and lies about Azeri people. It really annoys me when people try to say that Azeribaijan is not Persian. Here are the facts:
Azerbaijan is a Persian word meaning land of fire, (reffering to the the ancient Iranian religion of Zoroaster).
Azerbaijan was a province of Iran and settled by Iranians thousands of years before the turks ever left mongolia and outer china.
Azeri people are racially, ethnically Iranian. They are caucasoids of the Iranian branch. Not central asian ural-altaic turks...Simply, they look like Persians not mongolians..or people from central asia.
Azeri culture is Persian. They celebrate ancient Iranian holidays like now rooz, char shambeh suri, etc...Their cuisine is Persian, their traditional costumes are Iranian...(original turks were a nomadic horse breeding people and had no similiarites culturally to the present day "turks" of azerbaijan or turkey. Azeri music is definatly Persian, (instruments, etc...)
40% of the Azeri langauge is Farsi (Persian).
Even their names are Persian.
The only land to have ever been named Azerbaijan is the current Iranian province, The fake republic of Azerbaijan was actually 3 different Iranian provences when Russia invaded and seperated them from Iran.
(Different person speaking) My commentary and NPOV: Azerbaijan IS a Persian name, and does have Persian culture and has been heavily influenced by Persians, but that is because Persia took over Azerbaijan before the Russians, Azerbaijan is an area that has been occupied by many ethics. The fact that Azerbaijan's culture is Persian, does not mean that the Azeri people are of Persian origin.
NavidT 05:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Commentary

message: I did some translations from the 1966 Persian Encyclopedia. It is available at Talk:History of Azerbaijan#From my Persian Encyclopedia. Roozbeh 02:59, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Some material from the Persian Encyclopedia

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message: Rovoam has gone beyond the pale and is reverting simply to make some kind of point .  Because he is virtually unblockable and rather obsessive, I have protected this article and quite a few others. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:09, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected

message: I just found an English language website at the Azerbaijani Embassy in Romania with an amazing article that goes into immense detail about Ancient states in what is now Azerbaijan
(perhaps contradicting the article's statement:)
:The first state to emerge in the territory of present-day Republic of Azerbaijan was Caucasian Albania. It was established in the 4th century BC
Among the ancient states mentioned in this article, that is quite scholarly if not perfectly grammatical, are:
(apparently known from Assyrian and Urartian records)
c. 1000-800 BC: 
Zamua, Nikdiary (Mekdiary), Allabriya, Karalla
Gilzan
Messi, Andija, Zikirta
Ninni, Shurdira, Kharruna, Simesi, Ulmania, Adau, Kharmasa, Sangibuti, Pulua
c. 850-800 BC: Mannae (mentioned in article I think)
http://www.azembassy.ro/English/pr01.htm
Wow there is a lot of new info for me there, I should have a field day researching this stuff for a while...  Any of it sound familiar?
--Codex Sinaiticus 20:34, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: earliest states in Azerbaijan

message: If you are a sysop, please add the interwiki li:Azerbaidzjan to the list of interwikis. I am to create the relevant article in a few minutes. Thanks in advance. Caesarion 15:15, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  interwiki 

message: "Hairsplitting" should not be utilized as a means of distraction from obvious lack of KNOWLEDGE! The Assertions were made building on well-founded Information! (not by myself, though). Your apparent reference to Gogol characters and the sockpuppet page are entirely uncalled for. If you had any knowledge with respect to the local history, you would not approach me in this trivial manner, let allone call my contribution "vandalism".  --Bagration-Mukhransky 09:31, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is I *don't* know about the local history, which is why I am reverting the uncited material, one that is very similar to the one contributed by the anonymous ip. To my knowledge, I have only reverted vandalism in this article —mostly, much more crude, and which mostly seems to come either from Azeri (aggrendizing) or Armenian (diminishing) nationalists— and have not contributed to it in any appreciable way. If it is well founded, then there should be no issue with validating the addition through propper citation of sources. But policy states that the burden of proof falls on the submitter. I'm going to consider any additional uncited reverts as vandalism and have warned Bagration-Mukhransky that this will lead him being blocked. I hope he will listen to reason. El_C 09:56, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My experience with Armenia has been similar as well, except naturally, with Azeri nationalists in this case diminishing and Armenian ones aggrandizing. Which is to be expected. Once Tabib is around, I'm confident that he'll be able to clear this latest incident up. El_C 11:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is surely NOT in the interest of WIKIPEDIA! I find it highly questionable indeed, that self-righteous "deputy sheriffs", despite of their obvious and admitted lack of relevant knowledge, feel free to wildly revert sensible edits and confront people in the known with snotty (if not cocky) argumentation. How can edits be termed "vandalism" by a person entirely ignorant of their contents??) On top of that openly teaming up with Individuals, with whom they seem to accord , for some reason. And what, prey tell me, is wrong with anonymous ips, posting sensible info?? As long as such conduct is tolerated by the responsible people on this platform, Wikipedia will remain unreliable and misleading, to a considerable extent. --Bagration-Mukhransky 20:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm just asking that a source be provided for this "well-founded" claims – what's the big deal? El_C 22:15, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to user "El C": Sources for the relevant ASSERTIONS are inherent in the local HISTORY! 

message: Dear editors, please, be aware that previously banned vandal sockpuppets are actively posting abusive and spurious messages to various talkpages, where I have been active in the past (e.g. this talkpage, Talk:Moses Kalankaytuk, Talk:Caucasus, Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh, Talk:Artsakh etc.). Their sole aim is to attack me, create a confusion and an environment of animosity, and eventually, disrupt Wikipedia. I ask you to disregard all their spurious posts and if certain that certain post is by a vandal sockpuppet, simply delete them.
For additional information on recently created sockpuppets and their concerted 'campaign' against me, please, see, my requests for clarification to the ArbCom, which has already solved the issue by effectively blocking the known sockpuppets. See, request followed by second appeal. I ask editors to check the "birthdate" and contribution log" of any new "user" that suddently emerges and advances spurious allegations and attacks. Thus you can spot the vandal more easily . --Tabib June 30, 2005 07:55 (UTC)
Dariush (talk • contribs) made a sockpuppet edit here. It has now been removed.
* Just wanted to point out, that this "Dariush" guy sounds to me like he might really be an anti-Iranian agent who is deliberately trying to stir up trouble by "threatening" an invasion of Azerbaijan... Without naming names, there are agencies in the world who stoop to such methods of impersonating their enemies in order to destabilise a region... so be aware, and don't be fooled! Codex Sinaiticus 01:13, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sockpuppet disclaimer

message: Iran = Azeri not in refurse, 51& of current Iran are all Azeri and live in North Iran also called South Azerbaycan. Azerbaycan is a Avestian word which means Land of the Eternal Flame. Avestian language was started in Azerbaycan territory in Medes Empire! This is referring to ancient relgion -> Zorastrianism.
Iran is a new name and is no longer the country of Persian but Azeri, Kurds and Persians! Thats why they changed the name from Persis to Iran.
Reply: Iran is not a new name, the Sassanid period it was called Aryanshahr, Time of Darius it was called Aryanam, Iran is derived from Ir (short for Aryan) and An (place of) the Shah then made Iran the official name because the west continued the greek way of Calling it Persia. Iran is not New and only 25-30% of 70 milliuon people are Azeris and then only 20% have Turkish blood. So before you call them Turks or anything else do some research about them. Even the name of the Place is Persian! Medes and Persians are the same race, the tribes split and were related both ethnically and linguistically!
--Aryan Khadem 06:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  REAL STORY 

message: Azeri people are mix of tons of other cultures and people. We were Maoi people at first then we were the Medes Empire. And we were considered as the first Iranians (not Persians). Later Turks came, we were mixed again. Later Russians, Brithes etc, so as you see Azeri people are a mix of a lot of different cultures!
-Maoi?? who are they, and by the way Medes and Persians are the same Race, both Iranic, spoke the same language and shared the same culture. To say that Medes are not Persians is false they are one and the same. If you want more source to prove this  am happy to give them! 
--Aryan Khadem 12:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  AZERBAYCAN 

message: The name of Azarbaijan has been one of the most renowned geographical names of Iran since 2000 years ago. Azar is the same as "Ashur" which means fire. In Pahlavi inscriptions, Azarbaijan has been mentioned as 'Oturpatekan', while it has been mentioned Azarbayegan and Azarpadegan in Persian writings. It is Azarabadegan in Shahnameh and Arabs knew it as Azarbijan or Adarbijan.
With regard to the emergence of Azarbaijan, the writing by Strabo, the famous Greek geographer seems to be the most important of all writings.
When the rule of Achaemenid dynasty came to an end, Alexander from Macedonia conquered Iran. A warrior called Otupart rose in Azarbayegan and prevented that land, which was part of the Median empire and was known as 'Lesser Mede' to be captures by Greek warriors. The land was thereafter called Oturpatekan.
Ahmad Kasravi, an Azeri pundit, opined that Oturpat was made up of Otur, meaning Azar or fire and Pat, which was later corroded to Paad and Baad, which meant guard.
Why was this deleted, actually I explain the name in linguistic detail, so again why does it keep getting deleted??? I am only contributing to the history of the So called Republic of Azerbaijan!
--Aryan Khadem 00:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''My Contribution deleted why???''' 

message: Instead of a picture of the President of Azerbaijan - Ilham Aliyev, we have the pictures of 2 obscure opposition politicians  ?
What is up with that ? 
This isnt a soapbox for your political views(whether its pro Aliyev or anti Aliyev). This is an ENCYLOPEDIA !
There's absolutely no justification for replacing Aliyev's picture with Isa Gambar and (whats her name again ?)  :: User:Mrent
:I agree. I'll replace the pictures with one of Ilham Aliyev. --Khoikhoi 03:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is really pathetic 

message: Many good and valid points have been made here. All things considered, I suggest changing Iranian Azerbaijan to Azerbaijan (Iran) or Azarbaijan (Iran). SouthernComfort 15:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The main discussion is about this article (about Republic of Azerbaijan). Where should it be?  Bidabadi 18:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Azarbaijan (Iran)

message: So, as discussed, I propose moving Iranian Azerbaijan (whose official status in totality I'm uncertain of) to Azarbaijan (Iran): this also harks of the provincial names/articles in Wp.  (See the DAB.)  Thoughts?  If there are no or few objections ...  Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 22:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move to [[Azarbaijan (Iran)]]

message: Substituted at 20:06, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment