Wikipedia talk:Iranian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 4

message: To ALL of you for creating the 1000th featured article for the English Wikipedia! The article Iranian peoples is written by many members of this notice board. Congratulations to all of you. And keep on the good job! Tajik 16:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congratulations! 

message: Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard naming scheme 

message: The article contains facts that are not fully explained, nor are they fully neutral. Before I start, I would just like to inform you that I am the only one ever using hte talk page, as Grandmaster and Tajik ignore the discussions, yet refuse to allow any changes.
Let me begin:
*The article makes a very general statement saying: there is no specific ethnic criteria as to what constitutes a Turk
Is that not general? How can insert such a broad and general claim into an encyclopaedia? If there isn't anything that constitutes a Turk than couldn't someone, by this statement, claim that everyone is a Turk or no one is a Turk? Now let me point out to you the section I created on the Talk page regarding this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Azerbaijani_people#Problem_with_his_sentence
Notice how neither Grandmaster nor Tajik even bothered to comment on it. That section has been open for days, and both those users are watching the page. They have asserted complete control over the article by not participating in the discussions, yet reverting any changes that they don't like, even when they have had the ability to object. How is this fair? Its not. Now I would not make any edits before discussing the issues, but the problem is that they do not discuss any of the issues, they simply ignore them and use their influence to keep control.
*Now to the second point. The Turkic theory is a theory first brought up by pan-Turk historians not long ago. Almost no one outside the Turkish world acknowledges this theory, and historical facts, as well as DNA testing, have proven it wrong. Now a week ago, I started a section on the talk page discussing this issue. For days I waited and I got no response from them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Azerbaijani_people#The_Turkish_Theory
And if you notice, I said that if no one objected to my claims, then I would add into the article that the Turkic theory has been proven mostly to be wrong. After that, I waited one more day, and still got no reply so I assumed that no one objected and made the change. Then all of a sudden, Grandmaster reverts it and tells me that I should not make such edits. So then I put a message on his talk page: Hello Grandmaster. I would like to inform you that i started a discussion about the theory, which everyone ignored (For reasons i dont know), so after waiting a day or two, i wrote down that if no one objected, i would assume that people agreed with me, and again i waited one more day just to make sure. then after that, i took action. if you would like to discuss the issue with me, we can here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Azerbaijani_people#The_Turkish_Theory
Thanks.Khosrow II 15:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azerbaijani People 

message: The information given in the Azerbaijani people article (based on the US Library of Congress) contradics the information found in the Encyclopaedia Iranica (and Encyclopaedia of Islam). According to the US Library of Congress, the Seljuqs were responsible for the Turkification of Anatolia and the Caucasus. This is rejected by the Iranica. Based on the fact that the Seljuqs were Persian-speaking and considered themselvs "inheritors and descendants of the Old Iranian Shahs" ("... here one might bear in mind that non-Persian dynasties such as the Ghaznavids, Saljuqs and Ilkhanids were rapidly to adopt the Persian language and have their origins traced back to the ancient kings of Persia rather than to Turkish heroes or Muslim saints ..." "Shahrbanu" by M.A. Amir-Moezzi in Encyclopaedia Iranica), Iranica states that:
"... The transmission of Persian culture to Anatolia begun with the foundation of the Saljuq state in the 12th century and gained speed after the Mongol invasion of Persia in the 13th century. Many Persian scholars, writers, and poets fled to the empire of the Saljuqs of Rum, following the Mongol onslaught on the Iranian lands. These highly educated men played an important role in the revival of Persian culture and literature, which had begun already at the beginning of the 13th century. Subsequently, many works in Persian, dealing with history, literature, philosophy and Sufism, were produced in Anatolia in the 13th and 14th centuries. As a result, Persian became the language of instruction at several madrasas, and Persian words were often used for place-names, personal names, and occupational activities, as well as in certain religious, legal, and official records. As a result of those developments, in the 13th century, Anatolia was thus intensively influenced by Persian culture. Intellectual life developed very effectively in the cities, where scholars copied or created religious works. [...] Scholars of Persian origin who had emigrated to Anatolia continued their activities in the cities of their new home (Aya Sofya, no. 3605), and many of them stayed in contact with their native lands. Students of the scholars active in Anatolia generally consisted of youngsters from princely families and palace officials [...] During the period of the Anatolian beyliks, following the COLLAPSE of the Saljuq State in the 14th century, the Turkish language gained gradually in importance, and consequently the influence of Persian culture and language weakened in Anatolia to a certain degree.  ..." "Persian Manuscripts in Ottoman and Modern Turkish lLibraries" by O.Özgündenli in Encyclopaedia Iranica
So, as opposed to the information in the article, the FALL of the Seljuq dynasty marked the Turkification of Anatolia and the improved the role of Turkish (because, unlike the Seljuq Sultans, the Turcoman "beyliqs" spoke Oghuz instead of Persian).
Besides that, the Britannica-source attached to that information (#21) does not support this claim at all. Britannica actually supports the view of the Iranica:
"... Persian cultural autonomy flourished in the Seljuq empire. Because the Turkish Seljuqs had no Islamic tradition or strong literary heritage of their own, they adopted the cultural language of their Persian instructors in Islam. Literary Persian thus spread to the whole of Iran, and the Arabic language disappeared in that country except in works of religious scholarship. ..."  
Tājik 01:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seljuqs and Turkish language 

message: when you post something in the urgnet issues section or other related sections, please point out what is wrong with the article. because what may seem wrong to someone may not seem wrong to some one else and this causes confusion. for example, there are some articles with "POV problems" that i dont even know what is POV about them...because they seem fine to me. Khosrow II 18:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we tried that, but an administrator deleted it, we still should describe the problem but better not mention any names. --Spahbod ☼ 02:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: "Make sure the article is protected on the correct version" is not an appropriate description, the purpose of the notice board is to notify people about an article in need of attention, not to make a judgment call on the content. Baba bahaneh nadid dast bazihaa ke bian behemon ang bezanan baz. ps. I made some changes to the page's format, please keep it neat and simple, one section is enough for urgent notices no matter what they are. Yadateon basheh yek seri bikar injaa doust darand bara Iraniha moshkel ijaad konand, siasat be kharj bedid vaa bahaneh alaki dasteshon nadid. --Mardavich 19:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Give descriptions!

message: Now i will not name any names or anything, because i know that is against the rules, but i will say that i am being unfairly persecuted because i am trying to up hold wikipedia's standards regarding the scytho-iranian theory. I have been threatened with getting permanently blocked. Ali, Arash, and Tajik know what the situation is. Khosrow II 03:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem 

message: It was getting really long and a lot of the debates were getting old, so I archived it. What do you think? I forgot to ask lol. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 07:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your thoughts on my archiving of this talk page? 

message: First of all, congrats to all who have contributed to the Azerbaijani people article which is today's featured article. 
A few days ago, I also nominated Iranian peoples for the "today's featured article": Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/requests#Iranic_peoples
Please feel free to comment on it or to suggest a certain date for it. 
Tājik 01:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: werent these articles already featured articles? im confused.Khosrow II 02:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Today's featured articles" are featured articles that are shown on Wikipedia's main page. Today, for example, Wikipedia's main page article is Azerbaijani people. Tājik 08:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Today's featured article 

message: Agar mitonid tamami maghalat daneshmandan-e "List of Iranian scientists" rou be deghat ziraeh nazar dashteh baashid, yek shakhsi bikar hast ke be toreh systamtic baa userhaa vaa IPhaa mokhtalef mireh in maghlaat vaa meliat va ghomiat in afraad rou taghir mide. --Mardavich 00:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: okKhosrow II 02:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doustan 

message: Pan-Farsism - discussion page: 
Scytho-Iranian theory - discussion page: 
Khosrow II 17:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles Up for Deletion 

message: A pan-turkist user is trying to make controversy in:
Ossetic and Scythian
thanks
::I am watching those article, but school has started and I wont be here during the day to help  you much.Khosrow II 02:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pay attention please 

message: Thanks for standing up for the truth here: []
Apparantely this user does not desist and now claims Ossetic is not an Indo-European language!  Please see Ossetic and its talk page.
That is why I have complained against this user and ask you if you have time to also complain:
[]
[] (one up). --Ali doostzadeh 01:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also look at for RV's done by pan-turkists on Scythians, Alans, and Ossetic people.  --Ali doostzadeh 16:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please take a look, important matter with regards to abuse of Scythians, Alans, Ossetians.. 

message: We should make a complete list of all Iran related articles because I dont know all of them, and I'm sure others dont know all of them either. We need to have this list, so we can keep track of them and make sure they are all being watched. We also need this so that we can make sure that there arent any articles out there that we dont know about. For example, the Rasulzadeh article was full of anti Iranian propaganda till I came across it and fixed it. I suggest we make the list on the Wiki Iran project page.Khosrow II 15:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just work on and expand List_of_Iran-related_topics and List_of_Persia-related_topics. --Mardavich 07:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with lists is that they can be difficult to maintain once they become large.  A more decentralised solution is to consult and improve :Category:Iran and :Category:Persia.  There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of articles that are already found under these two categories.  –jonsafari 18:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: We need a list

message: I don't think this is appropriate. It's like me going to WikiProject Turkic and adding this same same note – "please post your opinion". If the article really should be deleted, then we will probably see mostly non-Iranians voting to delete it as well, right? IMO, posting this here is the equivalent of spamming multiple talk pages. —Khoikhoi 04:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing AfDs here 

message: The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 02:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DYK

message: That article is a total joke, that's the whole point. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 09:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is uncyclopedia's article on Iran placed on the notice board 

message: Iranian City and Village Councils elections, 2006 desperately needs info on the results, and Iranian Assembly of Experts election, 2006 could use some more information on the results, as well... Help? —Nightstallion (?) 22:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with elections 

message: Greetings from Hungary!  Could someone please give the correct pronunciation of the Persian word توران‎ and its rough meaning?  The Hungarian derivate is supposedly "Turán" and refers to nomadic people from the central asian steppes (north of the caucasus).  Is the above word even close in meaning or pronunciation?  Is it properly labeled Persian or Farsi or another language?  It is etymology for the Curse of Turán article.  Thank you in advance. István 04:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for your help. István 14:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with Persian/Farsi language 

message: I just came across :Category:Armenian-Iranians, and I saw that it was barely populated. I want to fill it, but I don't want to make any errors in the process. I've been going through several Iran-related articles, and I came across the following persons with Armenian-sounding surnames: Hassan Roudbarian, Ali Ansarian, Andranik Teymourian, Vahid Hashemian, Javad Kazemian, Alireza Mansourian, Dariush Rezaiyan and Sebo Shahbazian. Are they Armenian-Iranians or not? Thanks in advance, AecisBravado 15:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian-Iranians 

message: Hi, I am in the trial runs of the User:AlexNewArtBot (see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/AlexNewArtBot). The bot analyzes the new articles for a day and puts suspected Iran-related articles into User:AlexNewArtBot/IranSearchResult, the articles are suppose to be manually put into the portal page and/or removed if irrelevant.
The list of rules are in User:AlexNewArtBot/Iran the first pattern between the slashes on each line is the pattern that should be present in the article to trigger the rule (note the case insensitive match. The other patterns on the same line are suppose to inhibit the rule. E.g. for the Russian board /florida/ inhibits /petersburg/ rule as the article is most probably about the American city. If you are reasonably familiar with the regular expressions and know what you are doing, you can edit the rules straight away, but better ask me. In the Russian board I had to remove some rules: e.g. there are a lot of non-Russians named Vladimir and Chita, so I had to remove the names of the cities or have to much false positive. If you are interested why an article went to the list there is log on the User:AlexNewArtBot/IranLog explaining the rule that sent an article to the searchresults (if the log  is cleared try to look into the history of the log).
That is all. Any suggestions are welcome. Alex Bakharev 20:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:AlexNewArtBot]] - New Article Bot 

message: Please check the following articles and their discussion pages: 300 (film),  Battle of Thermopylae, and Sparta —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.250.37.182 (talk) 02:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV check needed 

message: All,
The article Iranian women has been literally deleted by User: The-Behnam.--Zereshk 01:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahem! - improved.  The Behnam 05:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Iranian women

message: Just a reminder to people that there are some articles which use the term "Middle East" as an ethnic group, when such ethnic group does not exist. All real sources use this as a geographic term, so please, if you come across an article which uses the inappropriate and ambiguous term "Middle Easterner" (especially in relation to non-Arab peoples) please correct it. Unfortunately there are many ignorant people who want to claim that "Middle Easterner" is the same as "European" or "Asian" which is 100% not true and no good sources back this up. So we should do our best to correct this prejudice and ignorance. See also Middle Eastern American (what a joke) for example of bias. Thank you Khorshid 12:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle East

message: Hello guys. Please see this discussion at ANI. It has been found that User:ParthianShot had been uploading a lot of copyvio images from a website called cais-soas.com. Further investigation shows that the website may not be holding the original rights to those images or articles. So it is advised not to use the website as a primary source for the article for the same reason that we don't use any other encyclopedia as a source. Material from the website should definitely not be copied verbatim and images from there should not be uploaded by anyone. The website is linked 507 times from wikipedia. Please go through the articles which reference the website and discover the actual sources. - Aksi_great (talk) 10:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I rooted most of those out not too long ago.  Thanks for the notice - it is very important that that site not be used on Wikipedia.  The Behnam 05:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  cais-soas.com 

message: pretty sure this article about a supposed iranian ethnic group is a hoax, nothing in the refs or anything on google started by an spa () etc. cld someone here pls check it in case i'm missing variant spellings or something like that? thx  ⇒ bsnowball  13:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Montasserian]] 

message: I chanced on this noticeboard after commenting on this famous Iran hostage crisis photo that some allege was Ahmadinejad used as "fair use" and evidently in a few articles. I don't have time to figure out image policy or if it's POV uses so thought I'd mention it here for you all. CarolMooreDC (talk) 18:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Iran hostage crisis photo really fair use?

message: There is a constant edit war in the article Ghurids and Muhammad of Ghor, where an IP and User:Ketabtoon, are rejecting the Encyclopaedia of Islam and Encyclopaedia Iranica. Does anyone have other scholarly papers to be used as references? Thank you. Tajik (talk) 13:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghurids 

message: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_September_9#Category:Transportation_in_Iran TruckCard (talk) 01:38, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transport in Iran - Category currently uses US variant 

message: Please we need the help of someone who knows Farsi/Persian!
The article Wolf attack doesn’t know very much at all about the phenomenon of wolf attacks in Iran/Persia, historically nor in modern times.  
We are beginning to learn much more about wolf attacks in such places as Russia and India, but we are still missing what Farsi-language experts have to say about the matter, but none of us can read papers like these: THESE CLICK HERE.  If you can read Farsi/Persian well enough to read that and would like to help, please let us know on the talk page of the article Wolf attack or for the re-write in production see here. 
For example, is it true, and has been claimed that:
"...for a millennia people have reported wolves attacking and killing humans. In winter, when starving wolves grow bold, they have been known to enter towns and kill people in daylight on the streets. Apparently, in Iran, there are many cases of wolves running off with small children. There is also a story of a mounted and armed policeman (gendarme) being followed by 3 wolves. In time he had to get off his horse to attend to nature’s call, leaving his rifle in the scabbard. A later reconstruction at the scene of the gnawed bones and wolf tracks indicated that the horse had bolted and left the man defenseless, whereupon he was killed and eaten."
This claim was cited to a book entitled "Big Game Animals of Iran (Persia)" by a "Rashid Jamsheed", who supposedly was a great conservationist and a U.S.-trained biologist and the game director for Iran. We can't use these claims to fact any more and therefore will be practically ignorant about it, except a few attacks in the last few years, that is all, as this book is lost.  
Chrisrus (talk) 05:34, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farsi/Persian-Speaking Wikipedians needed for [[Wolf attack]] 

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