Talk:Pudendal cleft

message: In the uplinked image, the cleft-of-venus is clearly visible from an anterior (frontal) view, while the model is standing.  In most images of undressed women, no part of the vulva is visible in an anterior view, [even if the model's bikini-area is perfectly shorn]; and it is only visible when she is sitting, or lying down, with her legs spread.
My question for the creator of this article is, "Is the 'cleft of venus', a phenomenon that is in any way correlated to the age of the model, (pre- or post-pubescent), and/or to the integrity of her hymen?
In virtually all images of undressed children, the genitals clearly protrude and are visible in an anterior view.  In images of undressed women, however, the opposite seems almost universally the case.  Since the model in the uplinked image is clearly a post-pubescent woman, this cannot be the sole explanation.
Please respond at your earliest convenience, since it could result in significantly more content for this article.Pine 04:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IANADoctor but I think it has to do with the percent body fat of the individual not age. The larger thighs would tend to block the view. Let me check my skinny wife... --vossman 14:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are confused, Pine and Vossman. If the pubis is shaved, the cleft of venus is always visible in an adult woman just as it is in a child. You are only partially right that the vulva itself is not visible from the front. This purely depends on how fleshy the clitoris and labia minora are. If they are very fleshy, they will protrude slightly from the cleft of venus and be visible and a small piece of flesh.Bobble2 15:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

text:  Yes, I have often seen where the clitoral hood and the labia minora protrude from between the labia majora and can be seen from a frontal, standing viewpoint. I've also seen females where the clitoral hood and labia minora are NOT visible from a frontal, standing viewpoint. I've often heard and read that anatomy varies somewhat from person to person, and apparently this is true. Gringo300 05:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And now illustrated Fishies Plaice 02:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why has Pine seen so many pictures of naked children, in sufficient detail to make a close comparison between a child's genitals and an adult's? Is Pine a paediatrician or a specialist in genito-urinary medicine? It would be reassuring to know that his or her activities are lawful and what would generally be accepted as moral.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 09:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. 98.225.230.65 (talk) 21:51, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protrusion? 

message: The term "pudendal cleft" is referred to in this link:
 .  i see no reason in the world why there should be two different WP articles for the exact same subject, so I am completing the merge by having Pudendal cleft redirect to this article. 71.161.201.133 03:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pudendal cleft

message: I think  is useful. Because it illustrates the part of the article that says "In some women the clitoral hood and labia minora protrude through the Cleft of Venus, in others they do not", and also because it illustrates part of the conversation above. Sometime the Cleft of Venus has protruding labia minora, sometimes it doesn't. Having two photos showing the natural variation is, IMO, useful for an article about the Cleft of Venus. Which is why I added Image:Vulva15Cropped.jpg.
Could we discuss it here before just going into an rv cycle Fishies Plaice 16:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protruding labia minora image 

message: is the second paragraph really needed?
"When tight clothes are worn, the fabric of the tight garment may be pulled into the cleft (often because of a central seam, as in jeans), resulting in a situation best known as the cameltoe, "beetle bonnet" or "moose knuckle" "moose hoof" in slang terms."
66.92.0.36 22:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: what?  you mean the cameltoe discussion wasn't informative or medically pertinent to you?  i happen to appreciate the depth that the cameltoe description brings to the article.  i'd say it's just as relevant as the spread-eagle and pierced vulvas included in the gallery... 24.11.187.34 (talk) 03:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "cameltoe" 

message: Is there a Latin term for the Cleft Of Venus? Is so, it needs to be added to the article. Gringo300 06:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Latin term?

message: The current capitalization of the article looks weird to me - I think that "Cleft of Venus" is a better capitalization. Other similarly named organs (following the pattern "something of someone" or "someone's something) have a capitalized eponymous part, e.g. "Darwin's tubercle' (not "darwin's"), "Skene's gland" (not "skene's"), etc. This way, the article name might be interpreted as named after an object called "venus", rather than a person (in this case, a Roman goddess) named "Venus". --NetRolller 3D 23:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, that's why I've just linked Cunt to Cleft of Venus, which then redirects here to Cleft of venus which I consider a typo. Swapping them round would make sense, are there any other views? ϢereSpielChequers 10:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cleft of venus" or "Cleft of Venus"? 

message: I was wondering whether if would be suitable to make this picture the primary picture of the article. It's not completely natural, but it's closer that the one currently being used, although that one does show the cleft of Venus in more detail. My thought is that it might be smart to display the picture which looks more like what you'd find in nature as the primary picture and then letting the current one follow later in the article since shaving isn't really the 'natural state', I hope I'm not being too pedantic here. --BiT (talk) 20:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. This article is not about the vulva, it is about the cleft itself, and its counter intuitive to show it partially obscured by hair in the lead image. Asarelah (talk) 06:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think any of the pictures are particularly great. Consider the fact that of four images they contain respectively the words "obscured," "obscured" again, "visibility affected," and "not visible." What kind of example pictures are those if it doesn't even depict accurately what you're trying to explain? I suggest removing all of those examples and either finding another single picture or diagram that demonstrates the concept of the article. 98.145.193.123 (talk) 02:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making the hairy version into the article's primary picture 

message: Can somebody please explain why Gray's Anatomy is referred to in this article? What relevance does it have?  It seems to me like some idiot decided it was "cool" or "funny" that it is mentioned in Gray's Anatomy and just HAD to put the link there.
Is anyone going to complain if I remove it?  Because it's stupid...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.166.162.169 (talk) 04:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Gray's anatomy is an actual medical reference book, not just a TV show...c'mon  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.68.202 (talk) 20:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh man, that was just perfect!  Some people.... ;-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.252.16.10 (talk) 15:47, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL!  I hope they were kidding...98.225.230.65 (talk) 22:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gray's Anatomy 

message: Does anyone know the etymology of this phrase? I think it would be something relevant to add to the article, and I am curious. I think it is in some way related to ancient goddess Venus, but I wonder if there is a story. Paulish (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: Most of the listed synonyms are for the vagina, not the cleft of venus: cunt, pussy, twat, snatch, and box (and perhaps the others as well). In fact, the footnote for "box"  points to the urbandictionary.com definition of box which defines it as the vagina, not the cleft of venus.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.Urban (talk • contribs) 16:06, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
:Good point, many of the slang terms listed are for the female genitalia as a whole, and not necessarily for this cleft. Therefore, most of the terms are misplaced, and belong at female genitalia, not here.oknazevad (talk) 11:34, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  slang synonyms 

message: Why does the "Female genetalia" link redirect back to the page it is on? I think the link should be removed or redirected somewhere esle or else it is just useless. A Word Of Advice From A Beast: Don't Be Silly, Wrap Your Willy! 22:03, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because that link was redirected here a couple of months ago, which was a bad redirect, as the term "female genitalia" is a broad term describing multiple external parts collectively, and shouldn't point at just one if them. The previous phrasing of this article was probably a contributing factor, as it also was incorrect, which is why I fixed it. oknazevad (talk) 01:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Female Genetalia link? 

message: "In virtually all images of undressed children, the genitals clearly protrude and are visible in an anterior view."
What??!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mosey Burns (talk • contribs) 22:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your guess is as good as mine.  The anterior view would be if you opened your pants and looked down.  So... as if you were taking your own picture.  Sounds dubious to me. 98.225.230.65 (talk) 21:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Lolz, you know it! He's 100% up to something dodgy involving kids and photographs.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.95.112 (talk) 05:50, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: From vulva: 
In preadolescent girls, the vulva appears to be positioned further forward than in adults, showing a larger percentage of the labia majora and pudendal cleft when standing. During puberty the mons pubis enlarges, pushing the forward portion of the labia majora away from the pubic bone, and parallel to the ground (when standing). Variations in body fat levels affect the extent to which this occurs.
--this might be what he meant.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.173.37.123 (talk) 01:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paedophile? 

message: It was unclear previously as to what the article was referring to with the primary image and overall description being largely unhelpful in that regard. As such, I have added a labeled photo as the primary image instead and added a sentence explaining that the pudendal cleft is "the opening between the labia majora" (cited from Merriam-Webster) as I believe this will help bring a great deal of clarity to the article. TiffyWiki (talk) 04:18, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  More clarity