Talk:Nunuk Ragang

message: Tampias  is the version that is used by Falling Rain, Joshua Project, Ethnologue, People Group and others, including the GEOnet Names Server (GNS) database, the official repository of foreign place-name decisions approved by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names (US BGN).  No usage was found for Tampios using Google or US BGN.  Other names for Tampais include Kampong Tampias and Takpias. Tomposis (also Tampasis)  is a different town located nearby at . Bejnar 21:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tampias or Tampios

message: The Category :Category:Malaysian mythology is a bit of a problem as the indigenous people of Borneo (Kalimantan) are quite distinct from the Malay, and so is their mythology.  I suppose that ultimately their should be a KDM Category, KDM mythology, or even Dusun mythology and Kadazan mythology. But for the time being, :Category:Malaysian mythology will have to work, unless someone has a better idea. Bejnar 21:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mythology

message: It is believed, based on internal evidence, that the material added on 7 May 2007 by IP 60.52.7.205 was copied directly from Allan Dumbong, "Empowerment of Kadazandusun Youths in Nunuk Ragang" (2007).  However, since that article was not fully sourced, that determination needs to be finalized when the article is findable.  Meanwhile, since the edit ignored the fact that the Wikipedia article already address all of the main points that were added, except for the annual pilgrimage of the Kadazandusun Cultural Association (KDCA), I have edited in a revised version of the missing "fact". --Bejnar 19:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright Violation ?

message: Kadazandusun is a politically derived term to refer to two distinct peoples, the Kadazan and the Dusun, who spoke related languages.  It was created by the Malaysian authorities so that they could have a way of referring to the mixed indigenous population, and a name for a "new" Dusanic language to be taught in the schools.  In fact, Nunuk Ragang is the legendary home of the Dusun, and has nothing to do with the Kadazan.  See, for example Lasimbang, Rita and Kinajil, Trixie (2000) "Changing the Language Ecology of Kadazandusun: The Role of the Kadazandusun Language Foundation" Current Issues in Language Planning 1(3): pp. 415-423; and Scholz, Herman (2006) "Kadazan vs Dusun" in "Kadazandusun - A Language Dilemma" The Flying Dusun. --Bejnar 19:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of the term Kadazandusun

message: There many subtribes within the KadazanDusun people - the 'Rungus' the 'Bundu', the 'Liwan', the 'Tuhaon', the 'kimaragang', the 'Tolinting', the 'Tangara', the 'Tutong'(in a part Brunei), the 'Rumanau', the 'Tagaas', the 'Tidong'(in a part of Kalimantan), etc. There are subtle or major variations in the language and dialects among these subtribes due to language evolutions caused by physical separations. Following are explanations for the existence of these subtribes.
Basically these subtribes derive their name from:
(1) location of the particular subtribe original home at Nunuk Ragang - e.g. The Rungus forefathers original home at Nunuk Ragang was sited at a prominent landmark termed 'pirungusan' , a hill shaped like a nose where two streams confluenced. 
(2) Environmental conditions of the particular subtribe original home at Nunuk Ragang - e.g. The Bundu forefathers had their original home located in an area with many manggo fruit trees called bundu whereas the Tangara in an area of 'tangar-tangar'.
(3) Work descriptions of the particular subtribe at the original home at Nunuk Ragang - e.g. The Tidong were hill padi planters whereas the Rumanau are wet padi planters.
When overpopulation, need to satisfy their curiousity about 'the outside',etc took hold, they began to fan out throughout Borneo, each subtribe being led by a leader. For example, those who settled at Tambunan were led by two leaders, Gambunan and Tamadon. It is now uncertain whether they came at the same time or on two separate occasions.
It is said that the Sugut river derived its name from a leader named Sugut who drowned at the river whilst leading his subtribes to their new homes.
The various subtribes promised to always maintain communications and remember their common origin. In order to achieve this, whereever they went they would bring a most valuable cultural artifact which help to remind the coming generations of their relationship based on a common ancestors and a common original home in Tampias, Nunuk Ragang, Ranau.
These artifacts still exist to these days even though the younger generations may have forgotten the significance. For example in Keningau, huge jars called 'sagiaan' are kept at the house of the descendants of one of the leaders who led his subtribe out of Nunuk Ragang to the plains of Keningau.
At Ulu Babagon there are talks of  huge 'sagiaan'jars abandoned along a route taken by one of the subtribes in their journey from Nunuk Ragang to Penampang.
The word 'sagiaan' means common inheritance or 'communal title'. ( Perhaps the present KadazanDusun leaders need to look into getting a 'sagiaan title' for the original homeland at Nunuk Ragang. A tribal mini-museum at appropriate locations might also be a good idea to house the 'sagiaan'/artifacts before they fall prey to illegal antique traders.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.82.95.36 (talk) 01:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: KadazanDusun subtribes