Talk:Altimit OS

message: Actually, it is explained very clearly in the series why ALTIMIT OS is the one stable OS; it's the only OS that wasn't succeptible to the ravages of Pluto's_Kiss.
--User:Gau 05:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

message: I've tried to make it clearer that this isn't a real OS, and added more references to this being part of the .hack universe. Mysticaloctopus 02:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Partially Rewritten for Fiction

message: Just to inform all, ALTIMIT Corporation is now real and ALTIMIT OS is currently under development . It will be a stand alone operating system. I am one of the Head Developers for ALTIMIT Corporation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DarkAkira (talk • contribs).
:That may well be true. However, not only are you putting it in the article in such a way that makes it difficult to tell what's about the real one and what's about the fictional one, there's also a major conflict of interest if you are one of the people working on it. Until it becomes notable enough in its own sense, it doesn't really belong here, and you should not be the one adding the information, nor should anyone who's working on it. Don't toot your own horn, and all that. Nique talk 12:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But this is the article ABOUT the fictional one, from the .hack// series. And if you'd have a read of the WP:COI page, you'd see how there's a conflict of interest. If your ALTIMIT becomes notable in its own right, it should get a mention somewhere, maybe even someday its own article, but for now, as far as I can see it's just a fan-project based on the fictional one, and even though there may be a real one now, if the ONLY person who can add information about it is subject to WP:COI, then it shouldn't be added here. (Also, please sign your talk page entries. Thanks!) Nique talk 15:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The people currently making a real-life ALTIMIT are not the fictional corporation, they are basing something real on something fictional. The current real-life ALTIMIT OS does not appear to be notable enough for mention here just yet. It has not been publicized or accepted widely, information or articles about it have not been published in third-party sources like magazines, it's not even freely available for download as far as I can tell from browsing the site without signing up. If you want, we can get a third opinion, but I'm going by Wiki's guidelines on notability here, as well as, again, the guidelines on conflicts of interest. Your continued attempts to add the information, and your arguments here, seem (to me) like you're trying to publicize your own project in the interests of making it grow, which is, again, a big no-no. Nique talk 18:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It doesn't matter if you aren't adding it for promotional reasons. You are NOT the fictional ALTIMIT corporation, and you are NOT the makers of the fictional ALTIMIT OS. The fictional ones are what these articles are about, because they are notable enough to be kept as articles. Your company's information should NOT be on Wikipedia the way you were adding it, as though it were the actual reason for the articles to exist, and you should NOT be adding it yourself. If you continue to refuse to see the reasons why (in the face of all of the the policies and guidelines involved) you should not add it, I will not hesitate to escalate this issue. Nique talk 02:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: "How should I put the VALID inf on Wikipedia"? You shouldn't. Conflict of interest. "And it doesn't say fictional in the title, which indicates that the article can be anything relevant to ALTIMIT OS" No, it doesn't. It means that there wasn't a "real" ALTIMIT OS when the article was created. It also should not be changed, and an article for your "real" ALTIMIT OS should not be created because of notability guidelines, most especially notability guidelines for corporations. Your "ALTIMIT Corporation" is simply not notable enough, it's not widely known, and your ALTIMIT OS is not even available for download yet. When it becomes notable in its own right, yes, it should get its own article. However, these articles are for the fictional corporation and OS, they always have been, and if your versions ever become notable enough to get their own articles, then the separate articles will be marked (fictional) and (real) or something like that, to differentiate them, but for now, the ONLY way your project belongs on Wiki is perhaps a small mention at the bottom of the page, saying how fans have created a real ALTIMIT corporation and OS based on the fictional ones. Nique talk 15:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi! Wikipedia has some policies that limit what kind of material can be included in the encyclopedia, particularly a requirement that any content be notable and verified. Until the "real" ALTIMIT Corporation and OS meet these two criteria, information about them can't be included. It's that simple. If you can show that the "real" corporation and OS meet these criteria -- which requires showing they've been the subjects of independent reliable sources -- then we can discuss how to include content about them in the encyclopedia. But if not, we just can't include the material, so as far as we're concerned the material just doesn't exist. We have a specific policy, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, that specifically prohibits using Wikipedia to announce products etc. that aren't yet notable and in the public eye. Until proven otherwise, this seems to be exactly the situation you have. If so, please find some other way to bring public attention to your organization and product, and thanks for your understanding. Best, --Shirahadasha 17:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ALTIMIT Corporation