Talk:Melissa Errico

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message: This article has been subject to edits by a handful of IPs which are determined to promote Errico as much as possible. WP editors should keep in mind that the article should accurately reflect Errico and her career, but should also not be used as a promotional platform or as a hagiography. Grandpallama (talk) 15:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think COI concerns are a bit overblown – they may just be fans. OTOH I also think it's an overreaction to call a single sentence,  "disruptive" and "marketing a career". Discographies, filmographies and stage appearances are a normal part of Wikipedia articles for performing artists. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There is good reason to suspect it's COI. And all of the shows that are being listed are single appearances; we do not generally list every minor appearance that an actor has made on every show spanning their entire career. Grandpallama (talk) 17:34, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

text: Are you declaring here that you do not have a conflict of interest? Adding a simple sentence isn't disruptive; repeatedly re-adding it without discussion, after it has been challenged, is the definition of disruptive editing. Separately, you might find WP:Otherstuffexists informative. Thousands of other performers have way more credits, but those are also more likely to be television and movie actors whose roles have been more prominent in those media. More importantly, that's an argument that those articles might require a bit of trimming, rather than justifying additions here. Grandpallama (talk) 15:48, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

text: Is this IP the same editor as the other IP? The roles noted as minor roles were, in fact, minor roles on those shows in which she made only 2-3 appearances. This article has been subject to attempts to inflate the television and film roles of an actress who is mostly notable for her theatre and musical performances. It's not  but a more accurate description. Considering how minor the appearances were, their mention should be anecdotal at best. Grandpallama (talk) 15:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Grandpallama: Per WP:V and WP:RS, are there any reputable sources describing her roles as "minor"? If not, your edits seem WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:04, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough on the RS point, although there usually isn't a need to produce sources that call a role a "starring" role, that call a role a "supporting" role, etc., except when there's a legitimate content dispute over whether or not a role is minor; I haven't seen the IP claim such. I'd say it's more suspicious (as are the other IP edits to this page), that it's somehow critical not to characterize roles/appearances as minor. I know you earlier questioned whether or not COI editing was occurring, and I would suggest that one classic sign of such editing is trying to load up a page with as many credits as possible (e.g., the IP's insistence on placing every single theatre and musical performance in this article) while downplaying the notion that any role was anything other than critical. If you want to remove "minor" as unverified, I'm certainly not going to quibble with you, but those two television roles are so objectively minor that the insistence by the IP on the removal of that word isn't great. In fact, per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, they're so minor that it's rather questionable as to why they belong in the article at all, unlike the Central Park West role. Grandpallama (talk) 02:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential COI