Talk:List of town tramway systems

message: I started this page as an "all-time" list of cities and towns that have, or once had, "town tramway" service, also known as "urban tramway," "streetcar" and "light rail transit."
The intent is to list "all" tramway cities, including type of traction (horse, cable, electric) and key dates by year (opening, electrification, closing).
The distinction between "town tramways" and other rail transit service is not "well-defined." For example, some short "interurban electric railways" in the U.S. might also be considered as "town tramways," serving two adjacent (or nearby) towns.
Although it is not the intent to duplicate the "List of light-rail transit systems," separate lists for "closed" and "operating" systems might be confusing. For the time being, I have included "operating" systems together with "closed" ones. 
I have "complete" information for a handful of countries, but partial (or none) for others. I'll make the list of countries and continents, and add the information I have on hand. Ldemery 00:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Start 

message: I have removed the "unreferenced" tags that "DAJF" has placed, repeatedly, on "sub-lists" for various countries, "broken" out of this list for the purpose of reducing file size.
This repeated placing of "unreferenced" tags - together with removal of the "References" line, with the internal link "Books, Periodicals and External Links" on each "sub-list," constitutes vandalism.
It is also not consistent with practices related to 1.) formatting ... and 2.) common courtesy ... that I have seen elsewhere in "Wikipedia" articles.
If "DAJF" wishes to divide the "Books," "Periodicals" and "External Links" sections of this list among the sub-lists, then he certainly should not hesitate to do so. Whether this is a "good idea" is not clear, because it would generate significant duplication, so "DAJF" might want to outline his scheme before executing it. Ldemery (talk) 03:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References - please cut the vandalism, "DAJF" 

message: I think this table current arrangement isn't so good as it could be; specifically, the first column Name of System is:
* ambiguous, since it could be referred to A) the official name of the tram network, B) the official name of the operator, C) the unofficial name that one city's people nicknamed the tram network (or the whole TPL service);
* inaccurate, since in most cases the related cell shows the name/title of the Wikipedia article for the system;
* slightly useful for readers, since it's an information one is keen to know only at a deepest level of research than that those general list are typically conceived for;
* unfit to be the first item for a record, since it lies empty in a lot of row;
* difficult to handle with, in some cases: when different names refer to the same city system (e.g. when a tram network is opened decades after the previous was closed).
So, I suggest the table shape should be changed swapping the first column and the second one, and renaming the former “Relevant Wikipedia article” (in the same way it is in List of tram and light rail transit systems). With this, the table shape would become more rational, clearer by far and more useful for readers. 
Here, an example of what I'm speaking about; current:
Name of System	Location      	TractionType	Date (From)    	Date (To)	Notes
Trams in Padua	Padua (Padova)	Electric    	1907           	1954     	Gauge:
Trams in Padua	Padua (Padova)	Electric    	29 October 2007	         	Translohr.
after the change:
Location      	Relevant Wikipedia article	TractionType	Date (From)    	Date (To)	Notes
Padua (Padova)	                     	Horse       	1983           	1907     	
Padua (Padova)	                     	Electric    	1907           	1954     	Gauge:
Padua (Padova)	Trams in Padua            	Electric    	29 October 2007	    	Translohr.
I also suggest a format change applicable whenever there were (or are) two or more independent tram systems operating concurrently within a single metropolitan area: in order to give a clearer and more intuitive view of the situation, I think there should be a row that identifies the metropolitan area (bold, gray-written with a big diagonal arrow), under which we put a row for each separate system, each of them preceded by an indention and the diamond. 
Here, an example of this latter suggestion; current:
Name of System         	Location           	TractionType	Date (From)	Date (To)	Notes
Trams in Trieste       	Trieste            	Horse       	1876       	1914     	Gauge:
Trams in Trieste       	Trieste            	Electric    	1900       	1970     	Gauge:
Trieste–Opicina tramway	♦ Trieste – Opicina	Electric    	1902       	    	Gauge:
after the change:
Location               	Relevant Wikipedia article	TractionType	Date (From)	Date (To)	Notes
↘ Trieste              	                     	       	      	    	 
♦ Trieste urban network	Trams in Trieste          	Horse       	1876       	1914     	Gauge:
♦ Trieste urban network	Trams in Trieste          	Electric    	1900       	1970     	Gauge:
♦ Trieste – Opicina    	Trieste–Opicina tramway   	Electric    	1902       	    	Gauge:
I'm well aware the whole change will require a lot of work - there are several separated articles "List of town tramway systems in XXX" to modify - therefore I willingly will offer myself to make it thoroughly, if there's consensus about my suggestions. I’m not sure in which article talk page I had to put this post in order to ensure it the highest possible visibility, so I chose the “mother” list hoping that IJBall, SJ Morg, Ldemery and other contributors could tell their opinions about proposed improvements. Yak79 (talk) 18:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table feature improvement 

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