Talk:Racism in the United Kingdom

message: Why is there no section on Wales - when the intro to the article clearly states three incidents of racially-related riots linked to welsh places. If Wales is counted under England then this article itself, seems to me, to be promoting a racist agends. Cilmyn  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.89.27.1 (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wales 

message: Peter Tatchell's recent comments concerning the Cornish should be added. Maybe a section on Cornwall is called for, the Cornish are a large minority group in the uk, and still receive a lot of discrimination both from government and public. Bodrugan (talk) 16:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the comments from Tatchell as he does mention the issues of Cornish people being a national minority and it does seem relevant to the article. – Zumoarirodoka (talk) 14:31, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cornwall 

message: Define "uncommon" riots in general are uncommon. I think this is understating the amount of riots. Does any1 agree with me? if not, prove me wrong. I deleted that bit No autoaim (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  race riots are uncommon 

message: 1st section had no sources so i deleted it. i thought of rewriting the 1st section(because the 2nd section cant stand on its own) but i just deleted both  —Preceding unsigned comment added by No autoaim (talk • contribs) 17:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  delted bit about the empire 

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message: Can someone please explain to me how the image on this article is racist? I think I may be missing something. -- Jack?! 03:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I removed it for now as I thought it over and I still struggle to see how it depicts racism. Please feel free to re-add it if I have made a grave mistake. -- Jack?! 06:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The image now is of a Republican parade, arguably racist in itself. The information in the Scotland section on Pakistanis voting SNP is irrelevant, and unsourced. And I would also take issue with the insinuation that people married to English partners are not 'Scots'. Hachimanchu (talk) 22:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: This whole article is not encyclopedic and is politically motivated and not neutral.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericg33 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see how this could be "politically motivated" – please explain? – Zumoarirodoka (talk) 14:32, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete article? 

message: Racism is ubiquitous and complex taking many forms. It is therefore not scientifically quantifiable to enable you to assert a level and subsequently monitor fluctuations as your statement "racism has declined" suggests. Whilst I would agree with the second half of this sentence it should ideally be a separate sentence. Otherwise, it implies either that a multicultural society means a "less racist" society or that as a result of "less racism" the society has become more multicultural, both of which are false assumptions.--ChessMaster2011 (talk) 08:08, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism has declined? 

message: I'm not sure about the neutrality of this paragraph. Firstly, reference 5 doesn't say that public bodies are institutionally racist, but that racism still exists within them (the report that claims the police are institutionally racist is now 12 years old. The report in reference 6 is not without bias (having not been compiled by a neutral crossparty body but compiled by a group of the Society of Black Lawyers, the Society of Asian Lawyers, the Association of Muslim Lawyers and the Black Solicitors Network). Also, the third sentence seems to mix two concepts; legal aid is not available at employment tribunals, end of. It has no relation to racism at all. The final sentence is without source. If nobody objects, I will remove this content in a few days. Kavanagh21 (talk) 07:56, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral 

message: I would argue that associating ethnicities with something as mundane as preferences in food is more racist than children simply not liking it. But then again we have WP: NOR. When you see an Indian person, do you instantly think of curries? That, to me, is more racist than expressing a dislike for a particular type of cuisine. Associating Indian people with curry (for example), rather than treating them as individuals who may have all sorts of interests, is more racist than a child not liking a particular type of food, which is not racist at all (if anything, reducing people to being associated with a style of food is racist). Essentially it reduces an ethnicity to their cuisine, which is not treating them as people who may have many interests. I hope many on the left can realise this.--It's a Cow! (talk) 00:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The item about children saying 'yuck' to non-native food 

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thread_title:  RfC 

message: >> UK racist murder scandal claims top policeman(Lihaas (talk) 18:37, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: I've come across this page, and it seems to have been torn in different directions by different users over the years and became a hotch-potch of their opinions. Racism in the United States shows the different stereotypes and discrimination against each group. I added Britain's most notorious racist murders to the "see also", and I think they merit being in the main text more than a lot of things here. tAD (talk) 14:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup needed 

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message: In the section on racism by region, two of the major regions have been omitted: England and Wales. Is there any particular reason for this? Perhaps racism hasn't been particularly notable in England and/or Wales?
--90.255.134.137 (talk) 02:48, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regions missing 

message: Since over 10 years we've heard about numerous violent incidents of hate against Polish people in the UK, including ethnicity-based murders.
This requires a big section. 31.182.200.250 (talk) 12:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section about racism against Polish immigrants is needed 

message: Should we make this page be semi-protected, since 'Racism in the United States' is semi-protected as well, and could be easily vandalised SterlingTea (talk) 05:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi Protection 

message: This is missing a section of the escalation of racist and sectarian violence post brexit.
:: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48692863
:: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-referendum-final-say-referendum-violence-leavers-a9145941.html
83.100.188.53 (talk) 12:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post Brexit escalation in racist violence. 

message: Despite a section in the Wikipedia article about anti italianism mentioning the United Kingdom and its internment of Italians during World War II, it isn't mentioned in this article. Could that be added in as a section? 108.208.70.47 (talk) 13:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Italophobia in the United Kingdom is described in another article. Jarble (talk) 02:29, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italophobia in the UK 

message: Several issues in this article, I will create subheadings:
=== Series box in lede ===
A series box should not be in the lede. This needs to be moved further down and a descriptive image, symbolic for the article subject, put in its stead.
=== Mass Child Rape ===
Under the distasteful above heading I removed about 5k characters of content discussing a 2017 report by now defunct think tank Quilliam, see . The results of that report are sufficiently controversial not to merit a lengthy discussion here in my opinion. There could at most be a short paragraph linking discussion at Quilliam article. As it was, it was way too bloated, including a link to a Youtube interview with a survivor of said gangs (which is, in my opinion, not a reliable source here).
-- Jabbi (talk) 12:45, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed your edit and your comment about child grooming and rape. I don't think something being 'distasteful' is a good enough reason to cleanse the article of it, moreover timidity in recording the known facts, even when there is corroboration from reliable sources such as this, points to the same conundrum the police claimed for not pursuing an investigation of child grooming gangs for fear of being accused of racism. According to the source for ethnic representation in the Quilliam article you shared, the fact that the simple majority of offenders are white results from the fact that the majority of Britons are white. It doesn't necessarily mean whites are disproportionately implicated in grooming gangs. The encyclopedia should neither conceal nor unduly highlight statistics supported by reliable sources, even those that are disadvantageous to a particular demographic. The majority of members of that demographic surely don't want to have the wool pulled over their eyes about offenders in their midst either, and have said as much. It is not the task of an encyclopedia to do anything other than to create factual historical record without bias. To that extent, I agree the YouTube video cited in the excised section is not the most reliable source, because even assuming good will, the channel appears to be largely an amateur enterprise, and the interviewee may or may not be an isolated case. I therefore recommend the section you removed be revised, pruned if need be, and the verifiable WP:NPOV sections restored. Chrisdevelop (talk) 20:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Several issues 

message: Under the distasteful above heading I removed about 5k characters of content discussing a 2017 report by now defunct think tank Quilliam, see . The results of that report are sufficiently controversial not to merit a lengthy discussion here in my opinion. There could at most be a short paragraph linking discussion at Quilliam article. As it was, it was way too bloated, including a link to a Youtube interview with a survivor of said gangs (which is, in my opinion, not a reliable source here).
-- Jabbi (talk) 12:45, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed your edit and your comment about child grooming and rape. I don't think something being 'distasteful' is a good enough reason to cleanse the article of it, moreover timidity in recording the known facts, even when there is corroboration from reliable sources such as this, points to the same conundrum the police claimed for not pursuing an investigation of child grooming gangs for fear of being accused of racism. According to the source for ethnic representation in the Quilliam article you shared, the fact that the simple majority of offenders are white results from the fact that the majority of Britons are white. It doesn't necessarily mean whites are disproportionately implicated in grooming gangs. The encyclopedia should neither conceal nor unduly highlight statistics supported by reliable sources, even those that are disadvantageous to a particular demographic. The majority of members of that demographic surely don't want to have the wool pulled over their eyes about offenders in their midst either, and have said as much. It is not the task of an encyclopedia to do anything other than to create factual historical record without bias. To that extent, I agree the YouTube video cited in the excised section is not the most reliable source, because even assuming good will, the channel appears to be largely an amateur enterprise, and the interviewee may or may not be an isolated case. I therefore recommend the section you removed be revised, pruned if need be, and the verifiable WP:NPOV sections restored. Chrisdevelop (talk) 20:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass Child Rape 

message: Why did you revert this edit and this edit and this edit? Chrisdevelop (talk) 16:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Chrisdevelop: This is block evasion by a long-term abuser known as the Bad copyediting IP. For more information see User:Nythar/User tracking#Bad copyediting IP. I normally revert their edits on sight, and, as can be seen in the diffs you provided, they have this annoying habit of adding excessive numbers of "see also" links, and other wikilinks in general. Their block evasion is a major factor behind my reverts, and their copyediting, more often than not, negatively affects articles. Regards, Nythar (💬-🍀) 03:40, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit reversion reason?