Talk:List of Charmed family and friends

message: This was a deadend page that nobody even knew about (it wasn't link from anywhere, or in any categories) that was recently deleted as useless. I just wanted to preserve the information here, incase any of it's useful. Most of it is duplicate of what's already in this article, but when somebody gets a few minutes (I might myself if I get a chance) we'll have to go through and review it, to make sure it's all covered. --Maelwys 15:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information from [[The Charmed Family (Halliwell)]] 

message: I think Melinda (Piper's non-daughter) should be merged into this section. She was a minor character that appeared in one brief scene of one episode, and then didn't even end up truly existing, so I don't think there's any reason she really needs her own article. A footnote on Pipers page, or a quick description on the family page should be more than sufficient. --Maelwys 12:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Close family 

message: Please see Talk:Charmed#Victor Bennet(t) for a current discussion on the correct spelling of this character's name. --Maelwys 00:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victor Bennet(t) 

message: Why is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Mitchell_(Charmed) redirected back here?  Is it because there's not enough information to fill an article (yet)? --Joe Christl 15:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry_Mitchell_(Charmed) article 

message: OK I've combined both versions of the Melinda controversy, into one article.  I've removed the statements regarding the "Official Chamred Magazine" as the publisher, Titan Subscription Magazines, is not related to the television producers.  Until there's been further word from Brad Kern or another person connected to the show, please let the madness stop!  --Joe Christl 15:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also see 2006 June discussions on Talk:Charmed --Joe Christl 15:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In an attempt to resolve the edit war-like activity over the third child/not third child debate, I have posted a summary of the arguments and counterarguments about the issue, concluding that the arguments for the child not being Phoebe's daughter seriously outweigh the arguments for the child being Phoebe's daughter. See Talk:Charmed for details. AdamDobay 18:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children of Piper Halliwell and Leo Wyatt 

message: Just a note to the male people on the tree thing. A friend of mine has reconstructed the full family tree a while back, from the DVD of 2.14, and there is a contradiction of the female heritage claim three times, first a few generation after Melinda Warren there are two male Williamsons, then when a Warren person comes in again, a male M. Warren, a Randall Warren, and a Clarence warren (indicated as male). Finally, in the Bowen family, before the three cousins, the line is carried by two male Bowens, again. So actually in the Warren line, there are many men. I would say that it's really Penny's hatred for men that fuels the Wyatt-shouldn't-have-been-a-boy thing. AdamDobay 10:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you're saying, however, the family tree shown in "Pardon My Past" has way too many errors in the parts we know as fact, for the rest of it to be taken as cannon. Obviously, the prop department simply made a quick tree thats only use was to show the cousins facts, and not the whole Warren line. Instances of errors inlcude: Prue (not Prudence), Victor Jones, Jack Halliwell, Dates...(won't even go into it), Melinda being in the wrong generation (than the one stated in "The Witch is Back"), Brianna being in the wrong generation (than as was stated in "Which Prue is it, Anyway?"), Melinda having TWO children, so on... --Danny DeSio 21:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I think they just needed someone to hammer out a page to look like a family tree, so they could do the episode.  I don't think the Producers ever meant for it to be studied.  I mean, lets be honest here, Brian Kern is no Joss Whedon. --Joe Christl 21:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Brad Kern. :) Having looked over all the production involved in the series, it seems quite clear that he had the system in his mind (the episodes he is directly involved in don't seem to have all the continuity and other mistakes many episodes do), it's just that he couldn't keep a firm grip on it when it ran down to the smallest people. Especially the prop department, they seem like they weren't given firm enough instructions. See the "structure of the world" chart Leo teaches to Billie in Season 8, it has demons, elders and warlocks and darklighters scattered randomly around a pie-chart with types of creatures (?) not even mentioned in the show and not making sense altogether. It is wrong to scold the exec producer for everything, you can't imagine how much work it is to coordinate hundreds of people working in the staff (and to account for all the budget cuts the WB gave them). It's teamwork, and there are weak links in there. It's not all the producer's fault every time. AdamDobay 00:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aughhh!!! I knew it was wrong when I was typing it!  But I had an appointment with 'alkie' that clouded my mind. As far as scolding Brad, its more of a "who gets blamed first" kind of thing.  He's also responsible for the show lasting 8 seasons, I feel. :) --Joe Christl 01:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As Adam has said, the prop department, at times, have really failed Charmed. For instance, Phoebe, during Season 8, glanced down at a document that had her signature spelling her name as "Pheobe Halliwell". Not to mention all the times that Victor's surname has gone utterly crazy. From Victor Halliwell, to Jones, to Bennett and then the prop department (in Season 8) claiming it to be Bennet (something that we changed on Wikipedia, that I don't agree with!). Danny DeSio 10:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Victor Bennett??  Why isn't it Victor Halliwell? Where's the reasoning behind 'Bennett'? --Joe Christl 22:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not Bennett?  I believe it has been said that women don't take the husband's name in the Halliwell line, so just because the father is named Bennett, doesn't mean his daughters must have the same name. Or, if by some chance he took the name Halliwell after he married Patty, he could have reverted to Bennett after they were divorced/she died.  -- Huntster T • @ • C 04:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family tree - just a note 

message: I have a few questions relating to the information regarding P. Russell. Firstly, what is this "directory" that is spoken of in this sentence: "Although, in the directory of the episode Pardon My Past it is listed that her name was Phoebe Russell, but this could just be describing Phoebe's past life, and giving it reference, not stating her name as "Phoebe" "?
Secondly, what reference was there to her in the episode "Apocolypse, Not"?
Danny 08:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  P. Russell 

message: Who was called Grandmama in charmed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.175.138.202 (talk • contribs)  17:15, 3 November 2006  (UTC)
: See Talk:Charmed#Grandmama. -- Huntster T • @ • C 22:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is Grandmama

message: I know everyone here likes to keep everything so packed up in one page (it can be a little annoying, sorry, but I am used to the stuff for Buffy, it is cool but like I said not completely used to it). The article on this page is long, and I was thinking maybe break it down just a little. Like split it into two pages, one for family, another for friends, lovers, and such (all on the smae page). It is just a suggestion, so don't breathe down on me. --Meraculas 21:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would benefit from being split, but I'd suggest it be split after the end of Additional family and the beginning of Close family. That is the cut off point between the old family e.g. pre-1900's and the rest are all modern era family members.--NeilEvans 21:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I too think we should split the article. If you want, make 2 articles in your namespace that show the split and we can all vote on it. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 23:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I actually split the page into two articles not too long ago, but someone chose to revert it. Therefore, maybe a vote would be the only diplomatic way to make a decision... I do like the idea, though; splitting all family from friends, lovers, co-workers etc. →Danny 19:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with you NeilEvans, but the close family are still family. I am working on creating an idea of the split articles in my namespace. For it am am putting the close family in the family page and on the friends page to see where the close family should go for now. Let me know which one once the pages are finished. --Meraculas 20:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've separated the article on my userspace Warren line and Charmed family and friends. Take a look and give some feedback.--NeilEvans 23:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like them. They keep the close family and friends separate from the relatives from the warren line. Just as a side note, why was the family name changed from warren to halliwell, when grams said the women in this family keep their name.--Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, they do look good.  However, the article names may need tweaking somewhat, given the first article includes more than just the Warren line (the '20s cousins, "Additional family").  Perhaps List of Charmed ancestors and List of Halliwell family and friends, to be specific as to their content and timeframes?   And Mal, I believe that "rule" was made up by Penny, given her distinct dislike of men after Allen Halliwell. -- Huntster T • @ • C 04:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the names would need to be modified slightly. I would suggest Charmed ancestors, or Ancestors of the Charmed Ones and Halliwell family and friends, or Charmed Ones, family and friends  as the articles would be more than just a list of names. Of course the Charmed template would need to be changed to match the new article titles too. So do you think we should wait for more people to comment or go ahead and change the articles.--NeilEvans 17:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While they do have expanded information, at their heart, they are just lists.  Wikipedia's preferred naming method for these types of situation is to append "List of" to these articles (which is what this article, as well as the books and powers etc etc also use this format).  Keep in mind, simplest is usually the best, so "Charmed Ancestors" and "Halliwell family and friends" would work best in this situation. Make sense? The template should probably just use "Ancestors" and "Family and friends". And definitely hold off a while before switching up.  One day is never enough time for a "controversial"-type change.  -- Huntster T • @ • C 17:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I also have lists of possable new pages. Check them out User:Meraculas - List of Charmed Family and User:Meraculas - List of Charmed Allies. For the friends part I made the list to be a little more easy linkable as well as added Richard Montana and a couple others. I am going to be working on cleaning up the pages a bit more, though. --Meraculas 12:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your suggestion is ok, however you have included Close family in both pages. The information should only be included on one page. I know it may seem biased but I feel my suggestion to keep the Warren line and others born pre 1900's should be separate from family born post-1900's, like Grams and Patty etc along with the Charmed Ones allies. I feel the close family and allies are more pivotal to the series than the ancestors, as they played direct roles and had major influences in the lives of the Charmed Ones.--NeilEvans 15:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with Neil's organization in this situation.  Also Meraculas, do you realize that you created a top-level User page?  When creating personal test pages, create subpages under your account, like User:Huntster/WS/Charmed for example.  I would suggest that you move those pages you created to personal subpages, and ask an admin to delete the old ones. -- Huntster T • @ • C 20:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: May is suggest the removal of "Others: Other grandchildren of Piper Halliwell and Leo Wyatt may include two other granddaughters and two more grandsons." from the grandchildren section? It is pure speculation with nothing to back it up. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 19:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense. -- Huntster T • @ • C 23:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done it!.--NeilEvans 23:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: What article names will be be creating?  As I said above, it is important to follow naming conventions since these are lists. -- Huntster T • @ • C 02:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably best to go with your suggestions above, List of Charmed ancestors and List of Halliwell family and friends.--NeilEvans 17:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood.  Whatever assistance you need, just let me know. -- Huntster T • @ • C 05:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've split off the Ancestors into their own page, but I decided to leave the title of this page as it is instead of creating another redirect. I'm gonna ammend the template to reflect the new page.--NeilEvans 18:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Breaking the Article Up A Little

message: Chris' later comments do contradict his original statement that Paige remained a statue, so do we want to note that contradiction or not? I suppose that I shouldn't have suggested his original statement was a lie (though it must be a lie if it's not a continuity error, and it goes with his implication that the Titans won in his future, which proved false), merely noted that there was a contradiction. If no one has some other objection, I'll just do that. Edit: Oh, maybe it was that the Spin City link went to a movie that I didn't know existed instead of to Spin City (Charmed episode). -- Noneofyourbusiness 15:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think by Chris going into the past he altered his own future. So he may have been saying the truth but over time his past changed to include her. For example in the episode Chris-Crossed we see his future and in it is included a Manor tour showing previous costumes worn by the past Charmed Ones. One of the costumes is Paige's superhero costume from Witches in Tights. Artemisboy 20:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No family for Paige in Chris' future

message: I have repeatedly removed this speculation because it's weak in one case and baseless in the other. If anyone would like to make a case for keeping it, please do so here. -- Noneofyourbusiness 04:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculation about Matthew and Prudence

message: With regards to the Melinda Halliwell article being merged with this article. I really have no preference either way. Although she is only a very minor character so shouldn't really have her own article anyway.--NeilEvans 20:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melinda Halliwell article 

message: I didn't see anything in the page, but it would seem to me that Richard Callaway belongs in this list along with paige's matterhorn-climbing friend. Is there a reason that they are not included? Jpittman 03:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Happened to Richard? 

message: victor should have an article of his own he is the girls father and a impotant and big character in Charmed. We have seen him a lot of times in the show more than Samuel (he has his own). And if sam has one victor shoud have one too! If you guys think is a okai idea can I then bee the one who starts it. CharmedFreak123 6:26 pm 21 april 2007.
:Please don't create this article.  While he certainly appeared a few times, he was not a major character.  The only reason that the other minor characters like Sam have articles is because someone created them without seeing how the other Charmed articles were put together.  There simply isn't a great need for information beyond what is already presented, and if you do want to expand what is known about Victor, please do so in this article. -- Huntster T • @ • C 16:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victor Bennett

message: I removed the following Trivia section from this article.
:Agent Kyle Brody is named after a young boy who was found in the basement of Rustin Parr's shack in the Black Hills Forest. Rustin Parr abducted eight children, including Brody, in 1940. He killed seven of these children, sparing Brody. He left cuts on their bodies similar to those seen in the Blair Witch movie. Parr later stated that an old woman told him to do these things. Kyle grew up to be insane, ending up in Maryland State Institute for the Criminally Insane. He is seen in the 1969 documentry writing in Transitus Fluvii, the language of witchcraft.
The description of what happened to the young boy here seems to be lifted directly from the video game Blair Witch Vol. 1: Rustin Parr. The article on that game however, makes no mention of it being based on a true story, and I believe that even if it was, they would've at least changed the names. It seems too closely a coincidence to be true, and even if the story of Rustin Parr is true and the survivors name was indeed Kyle Brody, we'd still need a quote from a writer or producer to show that they intentionally named the character after him and that it wasn't just a coincidental naming. Basically, this entire thing looks too much like nonsense right now to leave in, even with the cite needed tag. So I've removed it, and would ask the original author of it that if he wants to add it back in, he do so only with a proper citation. --Maelwys 18:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here have a cookie. No seriously, I didn't even notice that. I hate OR. I've never even heard that story. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 03:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kyle Brody Trivia 

message: in the article it says that piper's daughter's name is prudence melinda. Where was this confirmed? also where are the names for their grandchildren gotten? Jpagan09 (talk) 19:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names for children and grandchildren 

message: Why?  She's a Charmed one.  Why is she in this article if the other girls are not?  Seems inconsistent.  KellyAna (talk) 00:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prue in this article 

message: Can we see some proof here please? There was no mention of it in the show, just her nickname 'Ladybug'. Please add a reference, whoever added her name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.219.140 (talk) 23:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That Comment Was MeSorry Left It unsigned, its been removed, it does seem a name Phoebe wouldpick but there was no reference, if there is one, could it be added back? Harmless 77 (talk) 09:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The name Patience was mentioned in interactions with Chris in one of the later episodes involving the Avatars take over. IIRC, the one after they came to power and Leo decided belatedly to oppose them and change the world back since free will had been given up. // FrankB 23:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phoebes Daughter Paitence

message: ;Morphing Article for Merging:Concurrent with outstanding mergeto suggestions, started reformatting this article into a section mode anticipating merger into an omnibus List of Charmed characters article. Regardless of the outcome, sectionalizing the list articles alphabetically is a great aid to linkages and writing our articles. Also makes it easy to spot missing coverages, such as (at the moment) the dear departed wrong-headed and dutiful Inspector Sheridan, R.I.P.. // FrankB 23:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Started Sections 

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