Talk:History of the Internet/Archive 2

message: The recent anti-US edits are not helpful. If people bother to study the actual history, y'all will discover that the project had a strong international component from the very start. Many of the most important ideas distinguishing it from the earlier ARPANET work came from the CYCLADES work of Louis Pouzin in France. The research group at Stanford which did the initial concept work included Gerard LeLann from IRIA in Frnce, Dag Belsnes from the University of Oslo, and Kuninobu Tanno from Japan. The actual Internet project included a number of non-US personnel and groups, including Peter Kirstein and his group at UCL, NDRE in Norway (with Paal Spilling and Yngvar Lundh), as well as a number of individual non-American participants (e.g. Danny Cohen (Israel), me (from Bermuda), etc). If you want to add an international flavour, try adding that, instead of adding irrelevant stuff, e.g. about X.25 (which was, frankly, basically completely irrelevant), and about Donald Davies (who played a role in the ARPANET work, duly noted in that article, but had nothing to do with the Internet). But the fact remains that the project was principally driven and staffed from the US, and its simply rewriting history to try and pretend otherwise. Noel (talk) 02:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: International contributions to the creation of the Internet

message: Expanding out the UUCP section, since Usenet was a very significant and widespread pre-cursor to the modern Internet. --John R. Barberio talk, contribs 16:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be confusing this article with one entitled History of computer networking. Perhaps you need to go work on that one. UUCP has zero connection to the technical evolution of the Internet, and only a minor one to the development of networking culture. Detailed material on UUCP belongs in the UUCP article, which we can then reference. Noel (talk) 06:19, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  UUCP 

message: The rewrite has been merged in. Since no one had big issues with it, the NPOV tag has been removed. I think we could start working on this to get it to featured article standard. --John R. Barberio  talk, contribs  21:23, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite merged in 

message: The reason:
: the Mazewar article you cite does not mention ARPANET at all
is because the page I cited was support for this statement by me:
: The original Mazewars, the one the Xerox/Ethernet one copied, was developed on the Imlacs .. The Imlac one ran years before the Xerox one was even written; see this page.
statement, and indeed and the page cited, by the person who actually wrote the Imlac Mazewar (Steve Colley) says "I believe the first Maze and the two machine version happened in '73" - i.e. well before the Xerox one, which according to this page, by the person (Jim Guyton) who actually wrote the Xerox version, happened in '77 or so (based on his hiring sometime around late '76, and his report that "Over the next year I spent a lot of nights working on getting Mazewar running". That page also notes that the Xerox one was inspired by, and based on, the Imlac/PDP-10 one.
As to the ARPANet usage, this page says "When Greg Thompson appeared at [MIT] in 1974, he brought with him .. some of the Imlac games that he had encountered at NASA Ames. Among these was Maze." .. "Early in its life, we played Maze across the Arpanet with players at USC" which shows that play across the ARPANet preceded the Xerox version (which was '77 at the earliest, as indicated above). Noel (talk) 14:17, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mazewar