Talk:List of religions and spiritual traditions/Archive 3

message: It's been decided to change that Wiki to, "Jedi census phenomenon." And actually, there should be a specific page for the Jedi religion. You might want to outright delete it, because the Jedi census page is about, well, the Jedi census and the media's coverage of it. Jedi, as an actual legitimate religion, should be discussed on a separate page. So, either delete Jedi census movement or change it to "Jedi census phenomenon"
:Except it's under "parody and joke religions", as the phenomenon was most likely a practical joke. — Phil Welch 18:55, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change "Jedi census movement" 

message: IZAK added alot of "religions" under the jewish heading, probably for completeness. Many are not religions even under the very liberal definition of religion used for this page. I am eventually going to remove many of the additions, I am just busy that the moment. I am saying this to anyone who might help and IZAK who might want to make a rebuttal.  19:44, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  jewish religions cleanup 

message: I took this list from New religious movement to be merged here:
Examples of new religious movements might include:
Indigenous NRM's
* Burkhanism
* Cargo Cult
* Ghost Dance
* Native American Church
African Diaspora / Latin American NRM's
* Rastafarianism
* Umbanda
* Candomble
Hindu-oriented NRM's
* Sai Baba
* Hare Krishna
* Transcendental Meditation
* Ananda Marga
* Sant Mat
* Swaminarayan
* Vedanta Society
* Osho
* Meher Baba (actually a Zoroastrian)
NRM's with Islamic Roots
* Subud
* Ahmadi
* Baha'i
* Dances of Universal Peace
* Said Nursi
* Nation of Islam (Black Muslims)
Christian-oriented NRM's
* Unification Church
* Jehovah's Witnesses
* Adventism
* Mormonism
***Please explain why the qualifier for this list in the article is religions created since 1850 and with few numbers?  Neither of these apply to Mormonism.  It was founded earlier than 1850 and the LDS church has in excess of 12 million members.
****I didn't make this list. I just copy-and-pasted it here when merging it from another article. If it's in the article itself, be bold, don't waste your time complaining on talk pages. — Phil Welch 01:03, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of New Religious Movements 

message: Juche is kinda unfairly called a personality cult when its more a very realistic Socialist Political Philosophy
Jaynus _Izanagi 10:42, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it not also a personality cult? - Willmcw 18:42, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
Juche is the national ideology of North Korea. It involves an extreme form of Stalinism, isolationism, and a personality cult focused around former dictator Kim Il-Sung (the Great Leader) and current dictator Kim Jong-Il (the Dear Leader). It has definite religious aspects but I'm not sure whether to designate it as a religion or not. — Phil Welch 20:17, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Juche]] 

message: Why is this listed as a Jewish sect?  It wasn't a sect, it was a priestly family and royal dynasty. Csernica 23:31, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hasmoneans]] 

message: Listing the INC as an NRM seems very US&Euro-centric. With 2,000,000+ members (while some estimates say 10 million, the INC probably has no more than 3 million members if we incllude unbaptized, offered children. Numbers might be skewed due to expelled members who still identify themselves as INC), if the INC were based in the US it would not be included in the NRM listing. Are we treating it differently because it began in the Philippines and not in the West? The INC should probably be grouped with the Jehovah's Witnesses. Guava wrench 17:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Iglesia ni Cristo NRM? 

message: There needs to be verifiable sources that Suki is a religion, and not a host.  See Talk:Suki.  Unless those verifiable sources come up, I will be reverting. -- Jeff3000 17:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources for what is a reliable, verifible source. -- Jeff3000 17:33, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The website www.sukireligion.org is not a verifiable source.  There's nothing on that website.  Anyone could make a website claiming to be a religion.  There needs to be 3rd party references about the religion. -- Jeff3000 17:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suki 

message: SUKI (tm), spelled "SUKI (tm)" is a religion.  Internet sources are not always known to be the most reliable, hence a course of study at your local community college might be more helpful, or at least reference to a person who has knowledge of recent developments in the realm of world religions.
Talk:Suki unfortunately has been mostly pollutted by blasphemous individuals who have little interest in letting evidence of the existence of SUKI (tm) come to the forefront.  If you want to have an academic discussion and more information on SUKI (tm), it is also important that you spell SUKI (tm) correctly -- "SUKI (tm)", not "Suki".  Thank you.
64.110.251.182 02:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a reference, a book, a journal or some other verifiable and reliable source stating that SUKI (tm) is a religion. -- Jeff3000 03:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a reference, a book, a journal or some other verifiable and reliable source stating that SUKI (tm) is *not* a religion.  64.110.251.182 04:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately for you, Wikipedia, and the worldwide academic community doesn't work like that.  You need to provide references to prove the existence of something rather than it's non-existance. -- Jeff3000 04:48, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  Actually, Wikipedia, and the worldwide academic community aren't closed-minded, and are open to new things, including religions that have only been around for 20-30 years.  A religion need not be a thousand years old to be recognized as a 'religion'.  www.SUKIreligion.org (tm) is a reference to the religion.  Google searches also show significant evidence of SUKI (tm) being a major international religion.
64.110.251.182 06:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SUKI (tm) is a RELIGION 

message: I am working to move links to the disambiguation "Indo-European" to the correct targets.
The caption in the section on "Other revealed religions" suggest that they are monotheistic and share an "Indo-European" belief pattern.  What does this belief pattern have within it?  Proto-Indo-European religion is not monotheistic, as far as I see.  Can someone find a useful direct link? Dpv 18:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indo-European 

message: Europeans have religions, but Africans, Indigenous Americans, and Pacific Islanders have mythologies? —71.215.220.199 06:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are European mythologies as well listed under "European religions". The one I am most familiar with, the mythologies of my native country, are indeed better described as mythologies than religion. If you spot an entry that is classified incorrectly please help by fixing it! See also Religion and mythology, Christian mythology, ... Weregerbil 13:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linguistic apartheid