Talk:Philip Davies

message: I removed the text: 'On 7 October 2006, the Sun quoted Davies as referring to Muslims as "vile thugs" and that "If there’s anybody who should f*** off it’s the Muslims"' referenced to a story in The Sun  and an unsourced claim about advocating 'the expulsion of British Muslims'. In the source, Davies is clearly refering to a specific group of Muslim vandals who were alleged to have painted "f*** off" on a house (it turns out the incident never involved Muslims anyway, according to the indepenent ). --h2g2bob (talk) 14:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Davies and Muslims 

message: I reverted the section heading back to the informative and entirely correct Attitude toward minorities and "political correctness" (look at the content of that section and tell me its about his political views) from the totally uninformative and incorrect Political views. Please discuss any changes here before reverting. Famousdog (talk) 10:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
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message: Reading through the article again I am struck by how negative it is towards the subject, cherry-picking the most controversial aspects of his career to date. As a result I am putting up a neutrality banner until these issues are addressed.Jprw (talk) 16:28, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have restructured the article in what I hope is an acceptable manner, with sections on Davies' contribution to various issues. It had degenerated into a hopeless mess after recent edits. Famousdog (talk) 13:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality issues  

message: This content appears in both the "Views on disability" section and the "Economic Views" section. Clearly it does not need to be duplicated, I would advocate keeping it in the "Views on disability" section as it is not really an economic view. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 15:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Disabled people working for less than the minimum wage

message: Someone added content on this to the "Views on disability" section - I sourced this content and reworded it before realising that it already appears in the Parliamentary career section. Where do other editors think it should go? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 15:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Disabled car parking charges

message: My neutrality concerns are about the opening; if I compare it to that of any other serving MP I have never read such an anti the person opening. The opening will need to be drastically changed to remove this tag, this is a WP:BLP article. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 16:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Please could you point to anything which is inaccurate in the opening summary, or elsewhere in this article. Anything which is "potentially libellous" is the basis for concerns about biographies of living persons. Philip Cross (talk) 17:04, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed, this use of the Neutrality tag is not actionable without specific concerns about citations or POV and I'd suggest it be removed unless they are listed here. ClareTheSharer (talk) 21:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nothing in the opening is inaccurate, it just focuses almost entirely on negative aspects of Davies. While those might be the things he is best known for, it still is somewhat dubious to focus on criticism of Davies. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 22:58, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Nothing here is inaccurate or unsourced. Davies is primarily known for his negative and unhelpful attitudes on various issues. Occasional visitors to this page have objected to the negative tone, but they have never bothered to try and balance it (and I think they would have a hard time finding many RSs showing the subject in a favourable light). The neutrality tag should be removed unless specific instances of POV can be identified. Or should we start including random positive stuff to balance the POV on Heinrich Himmler? Famousdog  (c) 14:03, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Agreed with both Richard and Absolutelypuremilk 100% (and Jprw above too), a blatantly obvious attack piece. All sorts of minor controversies and smears in the lead in particular when similar issues are absent from any other politician's lead section (and rightly so). For example anyone would have thought the failure to disclose betting hospitality benefits was some sort of defining issue for his career, yet if you read what really happened its merely a failure to record just £870 and he has been fully cleared on all other issues. To put things into context, there's as much focus on that tiny issue in Davies' lead as there is on the expenses scandal in the lead of articles on some of the biggest offenders! To compound matters further still, almost all positives and achievements are absent - e.g. his historic and very high profile achievement in securing an International Men's Day debate despite facing significant opposition from those opposed to equality. Even on relatively neutral issues, things are spun to be as negative a possible e.g. highlighting his reduced majority in 2017 in the lead yet ignoring the fact that it was also his record vote total/vote share and looking at the gambling industry links it doesn't even clearly state that he was cleared of all wrongdoing relating to the favourable terms allegation. A lesser but still significant issue is the compete lack of balance in some sections - while his view/defence is sometimes given, more often than not it is absent/incomplete. From the lead you'd think he was some sort of sexist, yet I'm still to see the slightest bit of evidence of an anti-women comments or action he has ever made and all the evidence points to him being pro-gender equality (e.g. he opposed the Istambul Convention becasue of its sexism in excluding men for no reason)..--Shakehandsman (talk) 02:52, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality tag

message: Does an attempt to filibuster have to be successful in order to be called 'filibustering'?
Major news sources such as Skyhttp://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-accused-of-filibuster-bid-over-move-to-tackle-domestic-violence-10698067, the Independenthttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/philip-davies-bills-the-tory-mp-has-attempted-to-filibuster-a6743121.html and the Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/16/philip-davies-anti-feminist-tory-mp-filibuster-women-violence-bill all used the term to talk about Philip Davies' obstructive and long speech at the IC bill vote.
However, the event was removed from the list on this page in the section 'Use of the filibuster' on the grounds that it hadn't been successful. I can understand why, but can also see an argument for including Davies' noteworthy attempts – whether or not he succeeded.
Having looked at Filibuster and other definitions, I'm still unsure and welcome discussion. 
In the meantime, I am going to change the section title from 'Use of the filibuster' to 'Attempts to filibuster', add a short descriptive paragraph including referencing what Davies himself says about why he does it, and move the example back to the section. If you think there is a better solution please change it :-)
Possiblymaybeme (talk) 11:57, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the editor who moved a passage from the Filibuster section on the basis that yesterday's attempt was unsuccessful. We now have two passages detailing his attempt to derail the Bill on the Istanbul Convention. Far better to move the list of incidents to the relevant sections, and give a very brief outline of a selection of these incidents in the Filibuster section. It is the topics which are most important, not Davies' method of dealing with them. Incidentally, the Filibuster section is currently structured as a bulleted list, while it is standard Wikipedia practice to use straightforward prose except when a list's items are short. Philip Cross (talk) 13:04, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for the pointer; I have removed the bullet points. Looks like the whole page could benefit from a structural rethink (though I don't think I'm experienced enough to do it) but his tactics seem noteworthy/unique enough to pull out in their own section. Possiblymaybeme (talk) 15:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the filibuster - definition 

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message: Can we please avoid saying blah, blah, blah in edit summaries, it looks like you are taking the mickey; and remember BLP applies to edit summaries. It is very hard to take an editor seriously when they are making such childish edit summaries. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 14:36, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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