Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season statistics/Archive 1

message: Adv. 	Date  	Time     	Maximum Sustained Winds (kt)	ACE (104 kt2)
1    	29 Nov	10 am EST	40                          	0.1600
2    	 	4 pm EST 	45                          	0.2025
3    	 	10 pm EST	45                          	0.2025
4    	30 Nov	4 am EST 	45                          	0.2025
5    	 	10 am EST	55                          	0.3025
6    	 	4 pm EST 	60                          	0.36
7    	 	10 pm EST	60                          	0.36
8    	01 Dec	4 am EST 	55                          	0.3025
9    	 	10 am EST	55                          	0.3025
10   	 	4 pm EST 	60                          	0.36
11   	 	10 pm EST	55                          	0.3025
12   	02 Dec	4 am EST 	55                          	0.3025
13   	 	10 am EST	65                          	0.4225
14   	 	4 pm EST 	65                          	0.4225
15   	 	10 pm EST	65                          	0.4225
16   	03 Dec	4 am EST 	65                          	0.4225
17   	 	10 am EST	65                          	0.4225
18   	 	4 pm EST 	70                          	0.49
19   	 	10 pm EST	65                          	0.4225
20   	04 Dec	4 am EST 	60                          	0.36
21   	 	10 am EST	75                          	0.5625
22   	 	4 pm EST 	70                          	0.49
23   	 	10 pm EST	65                          	0.4225
24   	05 Dec	4 am EST 	65                          	0.4225
25   	 	10 am EST	70                          	0.49
26   	 	4 pm EST 	70                          	0.49
27   	 	10 pm EST	65                          	0.4225
28   	06 Dec	4 am EST 	65                          	0.4225
29   	 	10 am EST	65                          	0.4225
30   	 	4 pm EST 	65                          	0.4225
31   	 	10 pm EST	65                          	0.4225
32   	07 Dec	4 am EST 	65                          	0.4225
33   	 	10 am EST	65                          	0.4225
34   	 	4 pm EST 	65                          	0.4225
35   	 	10 pm EST	55                          	0.3025
36   	08 Dec	4 am EST 	35                          	0.1225
37   	 	10 am EST	30                          	-
Total	 	    	                       	13.4275
Note that the advisory links will not work until the advisory is issued.  Please update the ACE section of the article after updating these calculations. --EMS | Talk 15:37, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember to use knots from the discussion instead of mph. --Ajm81 18:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do Epsilon's windspeeds after midnight Eastern (end of season) count towards the ACE? NSLE (讨论+extra) 01:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on last year's data, it looks like they do. --Ajm81 03:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

text:  Of course they apply.  A storm is a storm, even if it occurs outside of the storm season.  --EMS | Talk 19:12, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Epsilon has now helped us crest the 230 ACE mark. Total ACE for the season=238.0. We are in second place now I believe. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 14:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's 239. See the ACE Table section below for why. --SapientHomo 15:32, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epsilon's ACE calcs 

message: I want to see whether others approve or not before doing this, but I propose that, once this article has been fixed up somewhat, all of the "Records" section of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season article be moved onto this page. That will shorten the 2005 season's article considerably and allow this article to become more than a collection of random facts about 2005 mushed together. - Cuivienen 22:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I second this. NSLE (讨论+extra) 00:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that the records should not be a part of the main article, but I think that they would work better as a seperate article.  However, I will not oppose moving them here at first.  If it works, it is one less article floating around.  If it does not, then the seperate article can still be created. --EMS | Talk 04:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving Records into this Article 

message: HOORAY! Thanks to Epsilon at the 10pm EST Advisory, the 2005 Season's Ace Value(225.065) has finally surpassed 2004's value of 225.023! This takes the 05 season to third place. Now, If Epsilon can hold itself together until this weekend or so, the 2005 season should surpass 1995's value of 228 taking second place. Still behind 1950's value of 243 however, where it will probably remain unless we get a crazy December superstorm.Weatherman90 03:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not supposed to be good, Mr. Weatherman. Tropical cyclones kill people. NSLE (讨论+extra) 04:06, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but not this one, it's out in the middle of nowhere. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 04:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We said that about Delta. It's killed 6. NSLE (讨论+extra) 04:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

text: What was Hurricane Lili (1984)'s ACE value? CrazyC83 03:58, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

text: It is starting to look like my predicted 'December Superstorm' could perhaps be Epsilon. Weatherman90 22:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Updated Lee using TCR data also. (Now 0.245) --Ajm81 15:38, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I would say that where we can we should use the best track data as it is more accurate. Sapient Homo 18:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Zeta's arrival may help with that... Sapient Homo 17:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACE Table 

message: For the table of individual tropical cyclone statistics, I am trying to manage the inate width of the thing.  Towards that end, I am trying to limit the width of the individual columns.  My current tricks include:
* Date Abbreviation (i.e. 30 Nov. instead of 30 November),
* Mutliple line entries (view embedded tables)
At the least, try to keep the entries as short as possible.  I shortenned the landfall location for Beta, since the reader did not need to know there that "Atlantico Sur" is an autonomous region.  I fee that this is important since this table will get very unruly very quickly if that is not managed. --EMS | Talk 18:11, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table width 

message: There needs to be consistency here.  I suggest using the "day month" (i.e. 30 November instead of November 30) format in this page, unless it can be shown that a standard exists dictating otherwise.  That seems to be convention in the meteorological world, and by that I would prefer to abide. --EMS | Talk 18:11, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though it's been a month since you've written this...I'd prefer wikipedia to handle that automatically.  Isn't it one of the options to format the date in our preferences? Are there special tags for it?  How would we force Wikipedia not to parse the dates?  Hopquick 13:49, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  All you have to do is to link the date, like 1 January/January 1 (produces 1 January/January 1).  I think the default might be set to "No Preference" - either way, just in case someone has it on that choice, the article just needs to be self-consistent. --AySz88^-^ 17:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date Format 

message: I am beginning to warm up to the idea of doing the split.  I would handle some of the inate unwieldiness of the current combined table if nothing else.  Also, the use of templates make the change much, much easier to do than would otherwise be the case.  [Having just build that whole table twice (once for the initial version and once in the template-driven form), I am not interested in doing that much work on it again.]  I still think that there are other experiments that should be done first.  Also, we need to let Epsilon terminate so that we have a full table to work with.  Finally, I would like to know what the other editors think of this idea.
BTW - As the creator of this article and the builder of the original list, I am complimented that you want to make this into a featured list.  --EMS | Talk 04:40, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd just as soon keep the table in one place. It's more helpful to people with slow computers to not have to click and wait as much. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 21:08, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  On second thought 

message: Just a question, but I thought there were 28 total storms instead of 29.  What am I missing? Rylan42 22:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Epsilon hasn't been added yet as it remains active. CrazyC83 23:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

text: 26 named storms (21 Arlene-Wilma, 5 Alpha-Epsilon) and 3 unnamed storms (TD10, TD19 and STD22) makes 29 total storms. - Cuivienen 02:11, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He was talking about the article, which reads 28 as we haven't added Epsilon. NSLE (讨论+extra) 02:13, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Storms 

message: Is two Cat 4 hurricanes a record/tied record for July? It probably is, but I don't want to edit it in without being certain. - Cuivienen
:It was a first. In fact, the only other time there were two major hurricanes in July was in 1916. CrazyC83 05:21, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I should mention that I do not believe that I have identified all of the records that have been broken or tied.  I only encoded that ones that I was sure of.  I would be surprised if this was the only thing that I missed. --EMS | Talk 19:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just remembered most Cat 4&5s tied with 1999. It's added now as well. - Cuivienen 23:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Didn't Emily make landfall in Grenada as a Category 1, because it said she did her her Article. Why isn't that on the table? Lionheart Omega 22:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  July Cat 4s 

message: I left this post in the main article:
There are 26 weeks in the hurricane season. This year, only two saw no tropical cyclone activity! TWO! The week of June 19 and the week of November 6. That means that we had 19 weeks of nearly unbroken activity. Plus four other weeks. Gaps during the time from June 28-Halloween lasted no longer than 4 days and 12 hours. 19 weeks of nearly solid activity. That is incredible!
That is an unbelievabl statistic. Should it be added to this article? -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 16:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unbelievable Statistic