Talk:Whiskey in the Jar

message: An infobox was requested for the 1972 Thin Lizzy recording of "Whiskey in the Jar" at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/List_of_notable_songs/14.
:The article now has the infobox, so I am removing the infobox reqeust.Bonnie (talk) 19:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

message: Is "musha ring duma do damma da whack for the daddy 'ol whack for the daddy 'ol"
Galeic/Irish or just a bunch of babble?
:Just a bunch of nonsense. Like Toora loora loo. -R. fiend 06:15, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, musha is an irish word that means rougly "If it be so."  I think the rest is a little scattered by time and I have never heard it translated.  I certainly don't have the knowledge to append it to the article.  Audioweevil 22:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup just a bunch of gibberish and it is pure coincidence that "m'uisce rinne de me don amadan" translates to my drink made me the fool.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:4784:1B00:E820:B44A:5AF4:94DD (talk) 00:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "M'Uisce rinne me don amadan" is pronounced almost exactly like the supposedly "nonsense" line "musha ring dum a doo dum a da" that appears in the song. More information 173.88.246.138 (talk) 20:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "M'uisce rinne me don amadan" also translates as "Whiskey made a fool of me", so it is obviously the correct lyric. 142.36.201.99 (talk) 18:36, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish or gibberish?

message: This page has turned into a mess of lyrics lists, most of which are basically the same. Needs work cutting down on sloppiness and redundancy. -R. fiend 03:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would very much like to see someone put the lyrics on WikiSource rather than witness a continued argument over them here. WikiSource is really where they belong anyway; WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information, and Wikipedia is specifically not a place where song lyrics should be accumulated. WikiSource is even explicitly recommended on that page as a proper place for non-copyrighted song lyrics (of which the lyrics to Whiskey in the Jar are a prime example).--chris.lawson 02:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I think the name Metallica is very prominent in the article... maybe changing that a little?
Since it is not a Metallica song, but they just covered the song like so many others.
Khora 22:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think it needs some little changes 

message: I really cannot judge the reference to the Irish "half pike", but one can just for instance check wikipedia to find out that "rapier" is a general term for a slender thrusting sword of the 16th and 17th centuries.
Mkkls 14:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timing of the song 

message: Per my view above, I've added to the intro a sourced quote of typical lyrics that I think is useful for identifying the song, but short enough to be fair use. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 00:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: Judging from the mention of a rapier it is likely that the lyrics date back to at least the late eighteenth century. In at least one version, the rapier is replaced with a sabre; the reference to the rapier could have originally referred to a rapaire ("half-pike" in Irish) and the highwayman could have been a rapparee - Irish irregular soldiers and bandits of the 17th and 18th centuries.
Source? Gordonofcartoon (talk) 02:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rapaire etc 

message: The Dubliners' version of the song has the highwayman armed with a "rapier" and a "pistol," which appears from the context of the song to be a single-shot, muzzle-loaded pistol of the type for which experienced users would carry "charges" (i.e., premeasured amounts of gunpowder tied up in wadding) they had fixed up ahead of time to facilitate quick reloading.  The rapier was used in the 16th and 17th centuries, while the flintlock was used in the 17th and 18th centuries (though the more tempermental matchlock, less practical for a highwayman, was used earlier).  Thus, the the Dubliners' version of the song appears to suggest a 17th century provenance. -- Bob (Bob99 (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combination of rapier and pistol suggest 17th century 

message: Thin Lizzy's chart performance should be given prominence over The Pogues version! Thin Lizzy reached no.6 in the UK!
In one of the comments above, Gordonofcartoon stated that the Thin Lizzy lyrics were revised by the band.
Is this certain?  We know that this song existed in many different versions in the mid-twentieth century.  Is it possible that Thin Lizzy's version was taken word-for-word from one of these multiple versions?
The Metallica version and the U2 version have the exact same lyrics as the Thin Lizzy version, but that doesn't answer the question, since they were probably just repeating the TL version without realizing that there were multiple versions available. — Lawrence King (talk) 04:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thin Lizzy version:  also traditional?  

message: Folk music lyrics being amendable is the tradition, so we have to deal with it.  As to the locale of this song, the songbook, Folksongs & Ballads Popular in Ireland, Vol. I, Loesberg, John, Ossian Press, (Cork, Rep. of Ireland, 1979), p. 53, gives the locale as "Kilmagenny Mountain".  Kilmagenny Mountain is located about five or ten miles south of Kilkenny city in the county of the same name.  I feel this is the correct lyric, if such there be, to this song, due to other references to Kilkenny within other verses of many versions of the song.  "Gilgarry", "Kilgarry" or other similar variants are garblings of the Kilmagenny name, as there are no such mountains by name in Ireland.  "Cork and Kerry Mountains" is probably a variant promoted by singers living in those counties, but it would not explain the references to "go roving in Kilkenny" found in later verses of the song, although there are references to both Cork and Killearny, Co. Kerry, in the song regarding the stationing of the brother in the Army.
My view of these lyrics will no doubt prove unsatisfactory to rogue supporters of Mettalica, Thin Lizzy, the Limeliters, or others, but I feel Loesberg's lyrics make the most sense, and that the singer who is supposed to be singing this song had his home (and crime scene) in southern County Kilkenny. Daniel Sparkman (talk) 23:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kilmagenny Mountain 

message: The Dubliners' lyrics are given here as the Cork and Kerry mountains and yet in several renditions of them performing,it begins with the 'far-famed Kerry mountains.'Did they use both versions or should the lyrics given be altered? Lemon martini (talk) 02:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also noticed in the versions I've heard that the chorus seems to start off with "whack, fall, the daddy-o" instead of "whack for my daddy-o". For example .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memotype (talk • contribs) 00:12, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubliners' lyrics

message: Section Story states, that "the song's lyrics indicate at least one of his pistols bore the same name." Where does that come from? Maybe there is one such text, but it is obviously wrong as general statement. -- Tomdo08 (talk) 19:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "one of his pistols bore the same name" 

message: I see song lyrics mentioned here, being of great abundance in the article. 
Now there are only two versions in Wikisource, under thread of being deleted, and three versions of the first verse in the article. No additional link or reference in the article, no link or reference in the talk page, no copy in the talk page. 
Where did all this material go? At least a note here in the talk page should have been made. 
-- Tomdo08 (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  song lyrics 

message: The article says something about "songbook fashion". What is this? -- Tomdo08 (talk) 19:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An earlier version (click here to view), shows that the first set of lyrics were from a songbook. This became "in songbook fashion", as it related to the lyrics which were referenced to the songbook. Then lyrics were removed, rearranged, and re-referenced while leaving the preposition in place. The prose has depreciated into ambiguity and should be modified to reflect the current form of the article. Why don't you go ahead and make a correction. If you choose not to, I will likely correct it myself very soon. Thanks for your question, which will lead to improving the article. Cheers - My76Strat (talk) 00:04, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  songbook fashion 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: If perhaps the original is from Ireland, should "Whisky" be renamed to drop the Americanised "e"? 114.23.226.82 (talk) 06:00, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  American vs. UK "Whisky" 

message: There seems to be an edit-war about whether this song is "hard rock". 
This is silly. The article is about the song, not some pop single. The song is traditional Irish folk music. I'd argue that the pop-song is also an Irish folk song, rendered by a MOR rock band (reluctantly). Honestly, I have no idea what "hard rock" means; but that's beside the point. This article isn't about any particular rendition. A song can't be "hard rock"; a rendition might be hard rock, or power ballad, or psychedelic something-or-other, but the song is what it is.
Please stop arguing, and come to talk.
MrDemeanour (talk) 09:58, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hard Rock 

message: An Allmusic source was provided by me, an review of 'Vagabonds of the Western World' album, which says referring to 'Whiskey in the Jar' song "After achieving a reluctant Top Ten hit with a rock version of the traditional Irish pub ballad Whiskey in the Jar" rock version means Rock, not Celtic rock and I think an Allmusic review is a reliable source. On the other side, we have a user who has added as sources: Rateyourmusic, Discogs and Allmusic sidebar genres. I think all these are unreliable, but it seems he can't accept that the sources he provides are questionable, poor quality sources. 177.39.240.251 (talk) 04:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The IP is correct. Please see WP:RSP. It includes AllMusic and Discogs. You will find their entries by following these links: WP:ALLMUSIC and WP:RSDISCOGS. As you will able to see, the AllMusic entry says:  (emphasis mine). The Discogs entry says:  —Alalch E. 18:14, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources?