Talk:Freedom Riders/Archive 1

message: I've removed the following edits by 66.30.225.99 (talk), but in deference to its spirit I've also added .
:This entry is riddled with errors, and should be merged with Freedom Rides, and fact-checked. For example, the Freedom Riders were not :begun by CORE, but were ignored by CORE, and later appealed to CORE for help. Also, there were earlier bus protesters than Rosa Parks :(not to diminish her importance, but let's get the history right.) In general, this entry mixes up several groups. For a history of the :Freedom Riders that at least sticks to the facts, start with 
:http://www.freedomridersfoundation.org/brief.history.html.
Hairy Dude 12:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: The corresponding history for this archive can be found at Talk:Freedom Riders/Old history. Graham87 06:41, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Note

message: How can you listen to the song if you cant find it can someone put a url or somehting so people can listen to the song not just to a myspace —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rice91 (talk • contribs) 08:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: This article has been tagged for a while now, and it needs to meet the standards. Lets get sources, tables of contents, all that stuff.
Stealthrabbit127, the RabbiN8r 16:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Old vandalism to be sure, thanks for catching it, I will watch this article a bit more closely as I removed "this is not a very helpful source from the intro. IvoShandor 09:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I removed the unsigned new section titled "Today's Freedom Riders" because it has nothing to do with the subject of this article. If someone thinks that it is worth posting, it should be a separate article.
Brucehartford (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed "Today's Freedom Riders" section

message: Someone listed Senator Dodd (D-CT) in the Notable Freedom Riders section. I removed his name pending some evidence. I checked "Freedom Riders" by Raymond Arsenault which contains the definitive list of riders, and did not find Dodd's name. Brucehartford (talk) 16:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake. I happen to know he was one, but I can't seem to find an RS. -- 209.6.238.201 (talk) 02:02, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Senator Dodd from list of riders 

message: Towards the end of the "Impact" section is the sentence: "The press in white communities condemned the direct action approach CORE was taking, while the national press negatively portrayed the Riders." What is the source for saying that the national press negatively portrayed the Riders? My recollection at the time, and my current ongoing research does not support that assertion. Yes, some in the national media condemned direct action of any sort, but many others lauded the courage and nonviolence of the riders -- particularly in light of the fact that the riders were not engaged in civil-disobedience but rather demanding enforcement of Federal law.
Brucehartford (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Source for negative press comment?

message: I found some good newspaper articles from the day. Glad to contribute to this article. Ynottry (talk) 05:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Added some primary source citations

message: Since even the page itself uses "Freedom Riders", shouldn't it be moved to Freedom Riders? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  21:16, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:32, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movin' on?

message: I removed the following: "...and removed the screens from the windows. When the cell block became filled with mosquitoes, guards hosed down the prisoners with DDT at 2 AM." There is no source given for this allegation and it is not mentioned in Arsenault's extensive description of the conditions that the Freedom Riders experienced in Parchman (see "Freedom Riders" pages 348-65). I personally know a good number of the Freedom Riders who endured Parchman and have heard their stories often, and none have ever mentioned any incident with DDT. Spraying jailed protesters with DDT did occur in some other southern jails at other times, but I have not come across any source saying it was done to the Freedom Riders in Parchman.
Brucehartford (talk) 17:54, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Unsourced Mosquite/DDT Allegation 

message: Some old page history that used to be at the title "Freedom Riders" can now be found at Talk:Freedom Riders/Old history. The history and content of its corresponding talk page is at Talk:Freedom Riders/Archive 1. Graham87 06:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Old page history

message: This page is under PC protection but has no visible logs for it. There are also no logs for previous pending changes reviews. PhantomTech (talk) 04:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pending Changes Logs Hidden 

message: Could you provide a citation for Bevel's inclusion and the route change?  Bevel is not listed on the Nashville Student Movement Freedom Ride roster from pages 537-538 of Freedom Riders: 1961 and the Struggle for Racial Justice.  Also on page 184 (last paragraph) of same work it states, "Somewhat surprisingly, Bevel's ten choices did not include Nash, who was deemed too crucial to the entire operation to be placed in jeopardy, or himself.  As Bevel explained, rather lamely to some, he had already promised a close friend that he would drive to New York to pick up a load of furniture."
Also, the route for the Nashville Student Movement Freedom Ride is stated as being "Nashville, TN, via Birmingham, AL, to
Montgomery, AL" on page 537 of above book.
On a side note, would you like to create a stub for Nashville Student Movement Freedom Ride?  The plan going forward is to provide a separate article for each Freedom Ride like the Journey of Reconciliation.  That would give individual attention to riders and the events of each Freedom Ride. Thanks.  Mitchumch (talk) 14:15, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Bevel did not go on the initial stage, from Birmingham to Montgomery, and joined the riders there on the next stage, the Montgomery to Jackson stage, where everyone was then arrested for trying to desegregate the separate waiting rooms in Jackson. If the list is just for those who started the trip from Birmingham, neither Bevel or Nash were on it. I changed "Nashville" to "Birmingham" because that's where the Nashville group picked up the discontinued ride. I wouldn't think their trip to Birmingham, mostly by car, would count as a Freedom Ride, just transportation to the Freedom Ride. Thank you, but no, just because I wouldn't count or name this the Nashville Freedom Ride, even on this article. It was a continuation of the original Freedom Ride which had been called off because of violence, and the Nashville group, well trained in nonviolence and per Nash's strategy, picked it up at that point to keep it going. Someone I know is looking into possible dedication ceremonies for the two national monuments, and hopefully they will specifically honor Nash along with John Lewis at the Anniston Monument's dedication if there is one. Randy Kryn 14:47, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed roster and route 

message: Citation #7 found early in the article after "Boynton outlawed racial segregation in the restaurants and waiting rooms in terminals serving buses that crossed state lines." is labeled Catsam and that is all. Doesn't seem to be a valid source... This isn't the only source on this page that strikes me as off like this. SecretKeeper (talk) 07:20, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please list the other sources that you think are off.  Afterwards, an effort to address the issue can proceed.  Thanks.  Mitchumch (talk) 07:38, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfinished Citation and Evaluation for Class 

message: I find it difficult to tell how long the Freedom Rides story took to unfold, and I struggle add sources to this article because it is not clear on what days particular events happened. Can someone supply dates, particularly in the Anniston-Birmingham-Montgomery interval?  Replacing "that night" with "later on the night of the 18/19/20" would be helpful. For example, the NYT Archives has very detailed articles describing events on May 19 (An injunction issued by State Circuit Court judge Walter B. Jones prohibiting the riders from travel, see https://nyti.ms/2q1yW6u ) and a very detailed description of the events at the Birmingham station (https://nyti.ms/2H8lbuM)  that would add excellent detail if it could be ascertained exactly where it went. KevinCuddeback (talk) 12:50, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearer Daily Chronology? 

message: It would be really good to get more Freedom Rider photos into the public domain.  The Library of Congress has the archives of the New York World Telegram & Sun, and those photos that are the works of its own reporters were placed in the public domain when they were donated to the LOC.  see:  and a typical search, such as: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=freedom%20riders&sp=1&st=gallery KevinCuddeback (talk) 19:37, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Library of Congress' New York World Telegram & Sun Photos 

message: Most of the current references in this section aren't 'cultural' at all: they're historical presentations that should feature in the Legacy section or a new one about the movement's historiography. (Certainly at this point everything scholarly written about the riders is nearly hagiographic, but it would be interesting if the then-prevalent racism continued for a while within academic accounts of the rides.)
In any case, there should be a place here or on a subsidiary page of actual use of the freedom rides in popular culture, as in one of the fourth season episodes of Boondocks, where one of the recurring characters is a very unwilling participant in an exaggeratedly violent version of the ride into Birmingham. — LlywelynII 05:33, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural depictions

message: I suggest something more like:
In early August, SNCC staff members James Forman and Paul Brooks, with the support of Ella Baker, began planning a Freedom Ride in solidarity with Robert F. Williams the NAACP chapter president for Monroe, North Carolina. Williams was controversial and had been suspended by the NAACP national board after he had made a public statement that he would "meet violence with violence," (since the federal government would not protect his community from racial attacks). Williams retained the support of his local chapter and continued his work against segregation however, but now had opposition in both black and white communities.https://biography.jrank.org/pages/2576/Forman-James-Dedicated-Life-Fighting-Oppression.html He was also facing repeated attempts on his life because of it. Some SNCC staff members sympathized with the idea of armed self-defense, although many on the ride to Monroe saw this as an opportunity to prove the superiority of Gandhian nonviolence over the use of force. Forman was among those who was still support of Williams. KevinCuddeback (talk) 20:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monroe, North Carolina, and Robert F. Williams 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Freedom Ride and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 21#Freedom Ride until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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