Talk:Kula Shaker

message: I removed this comment " The band are still dogged by aligations of racism to this day." from the article for several reasons.
First of all I firmly believe it is untrue. They are not dogged with allegations of racism. They may be looked upon as something of a figure of fun and occasionally as a stupid band, but they are not commonly regarded as racists. The prevailing view of Crispian's actions in 1997 is VERY MUCH that he was stupid and misguided, but NOT racist.
Even if one quality contemporary source was found alleging they were racists (actually I don't believe such a source could be found) it wouldn't be representative of what is written about the band (which is that Crispian was at most, a bumbling fool over the swastika issue - not a racist).
As a side issue, as this article is about living people, to throw allegations of racism around is not acceptable without a source in any case so the comment should not be added even with a 'citation needed' tag. Such a comment would have to be sourced before inclusion.
As for the swastika issue itself, it's dealt with very well in this article and that section is actually well sourced and balanced. It doesn't seem there's anything to add to that.
::I'm happy with that (I added the  tag, whilst liking the band I haven't the depth of knowledge you have on the band, and yet I nearly removed it for the same reasons you gave,but settled for the tag, but your edits get my vote. --C Hawke (talk) 19:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "aligations of racism"  

message: User Jossi removed the quoted comments from the controvesy section. The comments (which are well sourced in the article) are what caused the controvesy, the controvesy which remains to this day for better or worse, one of the things most closely associated with this multi-platinum act. To just say 'he made some comments' which was all that was effectively all that was left after Jossi's edit of the section, just raises the question of what those comments were and explains absolutely nothing. Also, given that this is a biography of a living person, it's only fair to give an accurate indication of the comments, with sources, rather than to gesture at them ambiguously.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.3.99 (talk) 08:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of actual comments from the controversy section 

message: According to the BBC :
:However, the band's reputation was damaged by savage attacks in the UK music press following comments Mills made about Nazism.
:He told NME he wanted to have "great big burning swastikas onstage" and that "Hitler knew a lot more than he made out. You can see why Hitler got support. It was probably the uniforms that swung it". 
According to the Guardian :
:Months of adoring press coverage evaporated when frontman Crispian Mills told the NME: "I love the swastika! It symbolises peace and the sun and illumination." It also transpired that his previous band, the Objects of Desire, used the slogan: "England will rise again." Silly rather than racist, Mills never shook off the controversy, and Kula Shaker's second was a flop.
-- The Anome 23:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK press coverage 

message: I think this article needs a statement of who the members are, and how they got together, right upfront, rather than just mentioning them down near the bottom, when talking about what other projects they've been in. It might also be nice to have some early history, like how they got together and how they got signed, etc. At the very least, there should me a "Members" section, at the bottom, just above discography. And speaking of discography, why not a subsection on singles? Just trying to offer some suggestions. -Freekee 20:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Membership

message: "and went on to suggest that the swastika was "a brilliant image" which symbolised "peace and the sun and illumination." In the interview's most notorious quote, he expressed a desire to have a "great big flaming swastika on stage". It should be noted however that the swastika is indeed an ancient mystic symbol, and it did originally have the meaning Mills gave it. Thus, he was correct in his comments about the swastika "
This was added in the last edit. However it is not necessarily correct; it expresses a point of view it says Mills' comments were 'correct' and yet Mills said "the swastika was "a brilliant image" which symbolised "peace and the sun and illumination."" - now the whole point at issue is that the swastika does not, in the West, symbolise those things anymore (Mills even admitted this in his later apology) thus his comments were arguably not 'correct'.  I'm going to revert the the change, please comment here if you wish to dispute it.
-- 2-J
You are not quite correct. Since there are millions of hindus and buddhists and native americans living in the west who revere the swastika as a sacred religious symbol your claim about people in the "west" is not correct. Regardless, the quote you object to makes clear that the original meaning of the swastika is what Mills refered to. In Asia the swastika is used widely and can be seen everywhere in India used for both religious and secular purposes as a good luck symbol, it is also in Buddhist temples and other places throughout Asia. Regardless of what many people in the "west" think about the swastika in point of fact most people in the world live in Asia where the swastika is seen as Mills describes it. Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia devoted to eurocentric or western views of the world.Shiva das 20:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: If it has a meaning, it should be mentioned...if it's meaningless, then that should be mentioned, too.  I'd do it myself except I don't know and the official website doesn't give any clues ;) 63.230.177.22 14:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What Does 'Kula Shaker' Mean?

message: Apologies to the person who supplied this, but I don't think it's appropriate for the band's main page.  As far as I'm concerned the first page should just list the band's albums - to list every album track, B-side and obscure live track (some of which may have only been played a handful of times) is a useful reference, but only for people seeking further detail.  Plus, it was cluttering up the front page due to the fact that each letter from A to Z appeared as a separate entry in the contents at the top of the main page, forcing people to scroll down just to start reading about the band themselves.
Anyway, rather than lose it completely, I've saved the list to my webspace and added it as a link here instead.  If anyone wants the list updating then just let me know via the discussion page and I'll get it done.
Would make more sense in my view to have it as a separate page in wiki.
Nige 08:44, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Complete list of recordings

message: I´m a great Kula Shaker fan and I need some help.I´m from Serbia and here is very difficult to hear a word about them,there are are almost no fans and informations.I wanted to know how can I buy a ticket for their concert(I´ve heard that they are always sold out long before the concert)and if they are playing somewhere else,except in England.Please let me know...it would make my life wish come true!And if there´s at least one Kula Shaker fan who would like to help me getting tickets and maybe being my company on the concert,please contact me.My e-mail adress is ds.Liliana@yahoo.com.Thanks!LilianaDS 00:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can I get tickets?.... 

message: The trivia section is without any references. Also it includes several defamatory statements without reference, rhyme or reason. So I am removing it. If the person who posted the trivia wants to keep it there he or she must provide references, also various peoples personal opinions about the band is not what a wikipedia article is for. e.g the opinion of Mary Lutyens, etc. Shiva das 00:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TRIVIA 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:KulaShaker K.jpg

message: In the Abbey Road remaster of Deep Purple - Shades of Deep Purple libretto, the editor writes: "Hush" even reared in psychedelia-tinged head again in the late '90s when Kula Shaker unashamedly reproduced Deep Purple's cover of a Joe South original almost note for note, (etc...)  Anyone can get some more info on this? └ VodkaJazz / talk ┐ 13:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hush 

message: I realise the official biography on the band's website says that they took the name in November 1995, but that is false. For example, winning that competition which resulted in the record deal (September 1995) they were already called Kula Shaker on the bill and signed under that name. Here is the compilation CD for that 1995 competition:- http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=112063 also there is a Japanese fansite with Kula Shaker tour dates in the discography from around Spring 1995... May 1995 is correct, November 1995 demonstrably false. It could be the site meant to list November 1994 as when that conversation between Crispian and the Indian mystic guy took place.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.169.200 (talk) 20:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, OK...I was the editor who changed the date from May 1995 to November 1995 as a result of seeing it on the KS website but I must admit, I thought that November sounded late. My understanding had always been that it was around spring time 1995. The current ref to the official KS site following that particular sentence can remain because it supports the origin of the band's name but I'll have to try and have a scout around for an alternate third party source to corroberate a May 1995 date. Thanks for the input! --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 20:55, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of taking name 'Kula Shaker'

message: Is a member's timeline really necessary? The band has only ever had a single lineup change for one member in its history, it just seems like an unnecessary presentation of a simple fact.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pechark (talk • contribs) 13:42, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members timeline 

message: This whole article has the feel of being created by an over-enthusiastic groupie, or perhaps even someone associated with the band itself. It is dangerously close to being a piece of active promotion/advertising. It overstates and inflates things at every opportunity and (I'm sorry if this offends any Kula Shaker fans) but it gives the impression that they are a much bigger and more important band than they actually are. Indeed there are many artists of greater significance with smaller Wikipedia articles than this. While most of the page is referenced, a Wikipedia article should not read like a feature from some 1996 edition of NME magazine. 
Please keep hyperbole to a minimum and remember that a casual Encyclopedia article should not refer to everything including the colour of a band's tour bus just because it happens to be true. --Tomsega (talk) 09:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyperbole 

message: The name of the drummer is rendered as either Paul Winter-Hart or Paul Winterheart at various places in the article. On the band's official website, he's called Paul Winterhart. http://www.kulashaker.co.uk/category/paul/ I will make edits to reflect that version throughout the article, but am noting it here in case there's some objection or question about whether it's appropriate. VAMark (talk) 15:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of the drummer's name 

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message: I would greatly recommend that this article gets a major makeover, such as removing unnecessary images and sources and making the top of the article more organized and neater like other good-to-decent quality articles on music artists. Dean12065 (talk) 12:51, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Makeover