Talk:International Taekwon-Do Federation

message: Sorry - I reverted the last change (where descriptions were added while Hangul/Hanja (i.e. Korean language) were deleted), because:
1. Why delete the Hangul/Hanja?  It will be very difficult to find these again on your own.
2. The meanings are already there, in the form of linked articles (with some exceptions).
If you want to write the meanings there anyway, please do not delete the Hangul/Hanja that is there already.  However, in most cases, by clicking on one of the form names, you will find a related article that is much longer and more detailed than the ITF's one-line descriptions (these articles researched by other Wikipedians).
No hard feelings.  :)
Edededed 01:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hangul/Hanja

message: There are 3 possible arguments for the spelling of "Taekwondo": one is that it should follow the McCune-Reischauer Romanization (the system used by virtually all academics and other publishers on Korean topics since its invention in the 30s (except those in Korea under pressure from the vacillating political influences of the Korean Ministry of Education), the Revised Romanization (the current Ministry of Education favorite), or the most common spelling among the majority of English speakers (for words so widely used that they have entered the English language). There are minor variations on the two Romanization systems, so that spellings such as "Tekwondo" "Taekgwondo" could be argued for, but the consensus of the two systems is "Taekwondo," and this is how the vast majority of English speakers spell it, including virtually everyone in the U.S. (I personally have never seen it spelled otherwise since first encountering it in the seventies, until seeing ITF's misspelling here on Wikipedia a few weeks ago.) ITF can retain the mildly misspelled pre-1984-MOE-style "Taekwon-Do" as part of the name of its organization, but its members should not imperialistically change the standard spelling that this encyclopedia has adopted, which is "Taekwondo." With regard to the spelling "gup" vs. "kup," I think arguments for "gup" are much stronger, as that's the way it is actually pronounced (voiced, not unaspirated unvoiced initial velar) and its best rendering probably being hyphenated, but both spellings are defensible, so I didn't change it back to my preference when 86.129.67.234 changed all instances today from "gup" to "kup." As for the other misspellings by 86.129.67.234, I can only say that spelling is not determined by the first linguistically naive Korean who jots down an poorly conceived Americanized spelling (with no regard for international conventions or the established standards used by most writers and publishers on Korean topics throughout the world) on the back of an envelope. DoctorW 22:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: However, it must also be stressed that within the ITF the hyphon donates the difference between sport and traditional TaeKwon-Do, the "Do" bieng the path along which the practitioner developes his mental and philosophical awareness. Specifically this spelling separates ITF from the WTF method of TaeKeon-Do practice-in other words, through the practice of Tae and Kwon, we may arrive at an understanding of the Do.
Expanding on this last comment: According to General Choi hong Hi who himself came up with the name, there was a very clear reason why it should be spelled Taekwon-Do. As he stated to me himself, my own master (the late J.A Blake 8th dan of Montreal Canada) and the late master Tran Trieu Quan 8th dan of Quebec, canada) during numerous seminars he gave around the world in the last decade of his life, Tae and kwon (foot and hand) are both of the body and Do (the way) is of the mind and spirit. Writing it in three words would mean there is no connection, which is of course untrue and writing it as one single word would imply unity of mind and body was achieved, which would be presumptuous. By writing it Taekwon-Do, it expressed that the art strived to unify body and mind, act and soul and that it was a never-ending process to which the art was the tool. However,as this wording was legally owned by him, others wanting to use the name had no recourse but to use other forms and the subsequent success of other organisations undoubtebly supported the now official dictionary spelling of Taekwondo in both English and French, to name a few.184.163.209.20 (talk) 02:37, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: Of the ITF organizations mentioned, which operates http://www.itf-information.com ??
I believe it is Master Choi's (ITF-C) Syneil 17:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: www.itf-information.com

message: James Cunningham Vanity edit removed from article -  User:Jamasuruna see WP:Vanity, WP:Vandalism.  ---- Bacmac 22:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jamasuruna

message: What exactly are the issues with the appropriateness of the "Recent history" section? --Nucleusboy (talk) 22:25, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None really that I can read into it. Bwalker5435 (talk) 19:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unencyclopedicness

message: This discussion happened on the taekwondo page some time ago.  Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Korea-related articles), we use revised romanization for Korean terms like geup (not gup).  Per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(text_formatting)#Foreign_terms, we put foreign terms in italics unless they have become part of everyday use in English -- and geup and dan are not part of everyday English, unlike "taekwondo". Omnedon (talk) 14:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Romanization and italicization

message: Whoever is at this I.P. keeps deleting links in the article. I left a message about this on their talk page. It looks like user Omnedon (talk) already did something similar. Bigbird6 (talk) 06:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, this user seems back to his mischief after a few months off. Basileias (talk) 00:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 121.183.233.19

message: In the Patterns section it says:
:The majority of the patterns (excepting Yul-Gok, Ul-Ji and Tong-Il) start with a defensive move...
Technically correct, but it may lead some to think the first move in Yul-Gok is offensive, which it is not. Worth a mention, or am I being too pernickety? See http://www.itf-information.com/patterns06.htm as a reference. Syneil (talk) 16:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps consider Kwang-Gae to be added to this list too?  I'm happy to perform the edit if it's acceptable. 46.226.218.20 (talk) 16:30, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yul-Gok first move 

message: Can someone please put belts of the proper colours in that table? 62.25.109.195 (talk) 14:07, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belts 

message: I have moved this article from "International Taekwondo Federation" to "International Taekwon-Do Federation," while retaining the use of "taekwondo" throughout the article's main text (unless referring to a specific organisation), following WP article naming guidelines and WikiProject Martial Arts spelling guidelines. First, it is a practical reality that there are two major styles of this martial art practised today (ITF and WTF), and the different spellings make this much clearer to the reader, who might otherwise be misled into thinking that there is only one form of the martial art (WP, clear benefit). If there were many major styles of the art (such as is the case with Karate), this distinction would not be so valuable, but in this case the difference in spelling is a consistent and clear distinction. Second, the article title should follow the organisation's way of spelling its own name (WPMA, spelling). Janggeom (talk) 00:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title - February 2010 

message: It seems that only the opening section has information on the ITF, and the rest on Taekwondo in general. I was curious on the group after reading about a championship taking place in North Korea next month, and found no information on it here, or information on any competition or meeting. The only original information seems to be on squabbles over group ownership and the history of that.
What is the particular point for the article?Vendo Thefastlane (talk) 01:24, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has become more about Taekwon-Do than the International Taekwon-Do Federation since I've been away. Bigbird6 (talk) 00:23, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Necessity of article? 

message: Dear Wikipedia contributors,
please, receive a respectful greeting. I have a concern about the original ITF foundation date. According to http://www.itftkd.org/?Content=HistoryOfITF, http://www.weberos.es/pagina.php?idpag=1132&web=47&lng=3 and http://www.weberos.es/pagina.php?idpag=1122&web=47&lng=3, the term "Tae Kwon Do" was coined/adopted by Gen. Choi Hong Hi on Apr. 11, 1955 (therefore "Tae Kwon Do" was officially born/created on the same date); and, the ITF was founded on Mar. 22, 1966.
Could someone with enough credentials verify this in order to make the necessary change in the article information box on the right top part. Thank you very much in advance. I truly appreciate your work.
George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 16:17, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ORIGINAL ITF foundation date. 

message: The historical section is incomplete. Upon founding the ITF, General Choi first established the inernational headquarters in Toronto, Canada, to make good use of their efficient communication and postal services. It's not until 1983 that the ITF HQ was moved to Vienna, Austria, to better supervize the developpement of the Federation from a more worldwide centralized location to be closer to southern and eastern countries. Gen Choi himself had by then officially become a Canadian citizen.
This is confirmed in writing through the publication of his second book, Taekwon-Do the Korean Art of Self-Defence, in 1972 and then his final work, the Taekwon-Do Encyclopedia in 1983. This should be incorporated into the article for correct historical accuracy.184.163.209.20 (talk) 02:47, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: As of March 2021 there are at least two site claiming to be the "real" ITF. On one hand we 
* https://itftkd.sport/
It has a copyright by the International Taekwondo Feredation and it appears that it has some reputable sponsors (notably Adidas). Also the names on national rederation memebers checks out. Its presient is Paul Weiler.
* https://online.taekwondo-itf.com/
The only copyright is by the page itself taekwondo-itf.com. Headed by RI Yong Son.
It appears that this was due to a schism in the ITF around 2002 and included at least 2 other minor association. What, if any, is the difference between them outside the political spectrum is dubious at best. I am more inclined towards the itftkd.sport, since they literally claim to be the International Taekwon-do Feredation in the copyright of their page. 
But seeings as this could be contentious and it is impossible to truly verify who actually runs which website, (and I'm not going to even get into which one is the "real" ITF), I would simply refrain from stating a website or adding the unique logo of each association, instead opting for the traditional ITF seal that is already in use. At least for the time being.
--March Fox (talk) 16:11, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the one link from the infobox in the name of NPOV. Which is the "real" ITF is an open question. Though I will note that it was the latter group (whose website is now at https://www.itf-tkd.org/ ) is the one that signed an accord with World Taekwondo to allow members to participate in the other's tournaments. It also is still headquartered in Vienna. oknazevad (talk) 23:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple site claiming to be the real ITF site, disputed leaders ship, and multiple organisations