Talk:Religious abuse

message: CT deleted this from the talk page, due to its being a "rv long & irrelevant soapboax."
It is relevant, it replies to his definition:
Not all agree with the definition of Satanic Ritual Abuse at the top of the talk page:
" For the conspiracy theory involving vast networks of paedophiles abusing children, see Satanic ritual abuse" It may be long, but necessary to clarify the data. Abuse truth (talk) 04:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hatnote looks fine now.  WLU (talk) 17:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote at the top of this talk page

message: I have restored the SRA link to the see also section as per policy, "see also section provides a bulleted list of blue internal links to related Wikipedia articles." ResearchEditor (talk) 02:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  restoring link 

message: How about adding a section about modern day exorcisms on children?  Currently, this is mentioned in Exorcism#Exorcism-related_deaths, but I think there needs to be some mention about this here as well.  This article only talks about the past and ones that take place amongst native peoples, but there is no mention about it happening in contemporary Western culture. Forest Path (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. This is only a "start" article. Please add that info. —Cesar Tort 01:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For now, I just added a link to Exorcism. Forest Path (talk) 18:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exorcisms 

message: I have added this section in Satanic ritual abuse:
Some feminist critics of the SRA diagnoses maintained that, in the course of purging or cleansing evil, the panic of the 1980s and 90s obscured real child abuse issues. Unlike the "multiple victims, multiple perps" which characterizes many allegations of SRA, the parental, intrafamilial sexual abuse, which is much part of this world, had thus "been robbed of larger significance." The National Center for Abuse and Neglect had to elaborate a different term, "religious abuse", to explain the evidence of exorcisms, poisonings and drownings of children in non-satanic religious settings to avoid confusion with SRA.Frankfurter, 2006, p. 223-224
Google gets 595,000 hits in "religious abuse". I wonder therefore if moving this page is in order? That would broaden the scope of what could be included in the article. Thoughts?
—Cesar Tort 18:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I've little to offer here.  I like the addition to SRA but don't know what kind of currency RCA carries in any circles.  Religious abuse does seem to merit it's own article (deaths due to exorcisms, controversy over blood and organ donation) but I don't know what should go where.  I still think that the page is somewhat dubious, but I can't decide either way deletion or merger.  WLU (talk) 22:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've moved it. However, the whole article needs to be rewritten to include abuse of adults. Lots of info should be added due to the larger the scope of the moved page. —Cesar Tort 23:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving the page? 

message: I am adding  to this, because it doesn't appear to be about a clearly defined topic. We have
*child sacrifice (any religiously motivated infanticide)
*initiation rite (in tribal societies, most of these are pretty violent and would easily classify as "abuse" by modern standards)
*ritual abuse, also known as "Satanic Ritual Abuse", a conspiracy of evil cults abusing children. 
googling the term, 
:
I find it seems to refer to the act of abusing people by attempting to hurt their religous feelings rather than to physical abuse motivated by religion. E.g., "religious abuse" appears in news stories such as
:"Terror suspects held at the US military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, are being subjected to routine religious humiliation, some detainees claim."
:"Jerusalem's Christian community has demanded that Jewish leaders and the Israeli government take action against what they claim is growing harassment of their clergy by religious Jews."
:"Harassment of Scotland's Muslims in the wake of the US terror attacks will not be tolerated, a senior politician has warned."
and even the abuse of a religion (as in, Islam is being abused by Islamist terrorism)
:"the Taliban's vile misuse of religion"
but also 
:"The Supreme Court [of Nepal] will rule on whether a tradition of using children as living goddesses is a crime."
dab (𒁳) 15:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish I could unwatch these articles. I created it just to mark the difference between ritual abuse and satanic ritual abuse. Input or advice from other editors would be much appreciated. —Cesar Tort 16:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: the problem is that "Satanic Ritual Abuse" and "Ritual Abuse" are two terms used for the same phenomenon, and are not equivalent to "religious abuse". The question here must be what, if anything, is meant by the term "religious abuse". I suggest this should be a disambiguation page between ritual abuse (the child abuse panic in the US), initiation rites or their "abusive" aspects, and religious humiliation or harassment as in the case of Guantanamo, with a link to religious violence as the article treating religion and any sort of physical abuse in general. Actual human sacrifice probably doesn't belong here, since I believe it isn't common include homicide in the term "physical abuse" ("physical abuse" mostly implies that the victim survives). dab (𒁳) 16:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Just curious: have you read the section "Definitions" in SRA article? RA is SRA only in a limited set of definition. —Cesar Tort 16:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: as defined by whom? Conspiracy theorists, or literature actually describing the phenomenon? Look, this is about a panic about imagined crimes. Actual "ritual abuse" such as female genital cutting doesn't fall under "RA" since it's real and documented. It's an actual ritual practiced by an actual culture. I am not sure if it makes sense to divide conspiracy theorists by whether they believe they are denouncing actual "satanic"  or merely "occult" practices, but that's for the SRA article to decide and has nothing to do with "religious abuse", the topic of this article. dab (𒁳) 16:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cesar, I've just looked at your user page, in the light of which I would like to rephrase the above as "never mind". dab (𒁳) 16:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: dubious topic

message: This may be of use, it was posted on Talk:Satanic ritual abuse, but is not of use to that article. KillerChihuahua?!? 16:05, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A very good topic.  I think it would be good to add a section on the matter this this article.Legitimus (talk) 17:32, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Witchcraft-based child abuse: Action plan launched 

message: I agree that merging Spiritual abuse and Religious abuse would be a good thing.  They seem to be pretty much the same thing, and clearly notable. I'm not sure how a person could tell if a given incident is spiritual abuse or religious abuse. Kitfoxxe (talk) 05:21, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: Abuse is found in many groups, both religious and secular.  Wikipedia has no place for ugly bigotry.  Wikipedia is not the place to spread personal prejudices.Jimjilin (talk) 14:44, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-Catholic Bigotry

message: Here is a sample Christian one from 1930s in Poland
https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muraszkowcy#
See the photos here:
http://retropress.pl/tajny-detektyw/nowy-rasputin/
-》 Let us add them.
Zezen (talk) 19:15, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Afraid I can't read Polish. Are there specific works you want to cite? — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 22:04, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  There were many more: mutilating and drinking blood etc.  

message: Kali cult in 21 c, and many more. 
Sample cases:
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,322673,00.html
https://m.timesofindia.com/city/ahmedabad/Boy-sacrificed-to-appease-goddess/articleshow/41900118.cms
-> why are these missing here? Zezen (talk) 14:21, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prominent examples missing 2 

message: — Assignment last updated by Annamariefdaly (talk) 02:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Equitable Futures - Internet Cultures and Open Access

message: I think it's absurd that a page titled "religious abuse" does not include anything about American Indian boarding schools nor Stolen generations. Wallby (talk) 14:09, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a more general article, but if you want to propose a section about institutional abuse of minorities, go for it. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 15:06, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of stolen generations nor boarding schools