Talk:Alain Vivien

message: For NPOV we need more on this very controversial politician . --ZappaZ  03:14, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: During his tenure as president of MILS, Vivien draw the attention international human rights organizations by his attendance of a symposium in Beijing organized by the Chinese government to justify its persecution of the Falun Gong and Christian House Churches. Allegedely, Vivien also advised the Chinese government on how to treat religious minorities.
I put the interview quotes into context by adding some text, and improved the translation in some points using a French basis  Irmgard 17:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  For NPOV we need .. 

message: There needs to be something on the lawsuits- what they were about, what the charges were, etc.  Particularly, weren't there claims that he misused state funds during his tenure at MILS?  When I initially wrote the stub, I was using Babel-fish to do the translating, as I don't speak French, so I could be mistaken on this point.--Scimitar parley 17:27, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vivien misused public funds? 

message: I removed this para, because the CESNUR page is commented in an OSCE report regarding an investigation of FECRIS allegations as "The CESNUR report misrepresents the contents of the Regards sur newsletter: taking everything into account, there is insufficient credible evidence for the allegations to be made out." Misrepresented information does not belong into an encyclopedia, even if attributed (except as example for bad reporting of CESNUR in the CESNUR article). The exact evidence and evaluation is found under 15c.  --Irmgard 08:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but no. You can add text referring to the "misrepresentation". Reverted. -- ZappaZ  17:09, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A partisan report by a partisan organization on another partisan organization is denied by that partisan organization in its partisan rebuttal? Am I missing something?  Feel free to add text and a link about the rebuttal to the CESNUR report, but don't remove the allegations entirely.  Even if false, they're noteworthy.--Scimitar parley 17:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. --ZappaZ  17:23, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite - the OSCE Report had the specific prerequisite: "it is important that the Committee appoint a Rapporteur able to state his/her complete independence from both the INGO concerned and from the source of the objection, as well as from any individuals or organisations which may attempt to influence the process. The Rapporteur should also state his/her impartiality with respect to the issues and parties involved and his/her lack of personal interest in the outcome." Besides being an official OSCE paper, this prerequisite should qualify the document as non-partisan. But you are right, Scimitar - it is better to show the CESNUR allegations and what a official neutral investigation says about it. The report is generally very interesting, regarding allegations against cult opposition. --Irmgard 22:49, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beijing 

message: The examples and perspective in this article or section may not represent a worldwide view of the subject.  This article needs to incorporate more points from a French and German perspective.  It violates WP:BLP and reads like an attack piece.  Cirt 15:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide view needed 

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