Talk:Kwame Brown

message: "During the first round of the 2005 playoffs, in which they played against the Chicago Bulls, the Wizards played a video before their first game of the series, in which Arenas instructed the fans not to boo Brown when he entered the game."  I'm not sure this happened.  It seems unlikely that the team would air a video like this.  As I recall, Arenas instead asked the fans to cheer loud, and boo the opposing team.  I think this is set up in an archived article of the washington post: Apr 30, 2005: Arenas Calls for Boo-Birds - Wizards' Point Guard Hopes Home Crowd Unsettles Bulls. --Gidge 20:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I just reverted vandalism that was a week old. No one else noticed it. Enigma message 04:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: How does mentioning in the lede that Brown has not met the expectations that caused him to be taken as the 1st pick overall violate the NPOV policy? Is there anyone who actually disagrees that Brown has not been a star? Anyone with knowledge of the NBA knows that Brown is a major bust. I also sourced that statement in the main page edit, as well. TheFix63 (talk) 18:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was too quick on the trigger that time, and didn't see the reference.  I apologize.Alan (talk) 18:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Uh oh... you better watch out. FinalForm (talk) 05:04, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Mentioning that Kwame Brown is a bust

message: In the article it says: He also demonstrated his great potential during a game against the Sacramento Kings, during which he registered 30 points and 19 rebounds.
Later on, his career high for Rebounds is stated with 9. So, was it 19 rebounds or 9 rebounds? 213.39.249.10 (talk) 13:11, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career highs? 

message: Clear vandalism by an anonymous user on 10/23/17, can an administrator try to restore the page please? Mannydude34 (talk) 02:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: There are three sources given for the claim: "Therefore, some journalists are now re-examining whether the "bust" label is legitimate."  Of them, one argues that Michael Jordan was a jerk to him and one argues that there's at least five players who were worst busts than he was.  
The third is titled "Kwame is not a Bust" but concludes "A bust as the No. 1 overall pick...perhaps, but definitely not in life is more like it. As Albert Einstein theorized more than a century ago, everything's relative. So, let's leave Kwame alone. He's still a winner in life in my book," which seems to be conceding the point (while noting that making it to the nba is a big accomplishment)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.31.143.33 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You aren't wrong about there seeming to be some ambiguity among the sources. When I added them, I knew I was dealing with opinions. However, I concluded that it was a fact that journalists are debating whether the bust label is accurate. Note how earlier Talk conversations seem to conclude that it is a "fact" that he is a bust. But the very notion of "bust" is being re-examined in the sports community, as one of Kwame Brown's racial critiques of mainstream sports journalistic coverage is that the "bust" label is a construct that seems to only apply to Basketball, but not other sports like Golf and Baseball. Therefore, I thought it was important to contextualize Kwame Brown's recent social media popularity because it has directly led to emerging conversations about whether the bust label was "accurate," or "true," when it comes to Kwame Brown. This page would be better with a "Controversy" section that actually acknowledges that Brown has been disproportionately targeted in sports media. But to come back to the initial inquiry...the sourced articles question the "bust" label, regardless of whether they seem to ultimately agree or disagree.JaneNova (talk) 15:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure why you'd suggest that the "construct" of bust only applies to basketball.  You can find pages of articles describing MLB players as busts by googling "MLB busts" or even "{mlb team name} busts."   Ditto for NHL and NBA.  Golf doesn't have a draft so the term couldn't fit, as it is defined as ″a highly touted or highly selected draftee that does not meet expectations," https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_(sports) but "flameout" seems to be a similar enough concepthttps://bleacherreport.com/articles/1331113-10-biggest-flameouts-in-golf-history. I guess you could refer to a handful of articles describing why he is a bust as re-examining the claim, even if no sports journalist argues against it.  I admit it meets the definition for reexamine.  But I'd say it's similar to describing a biologist writing about the evidence for evolution as "reexamining" the theory. 108.31.143.33 (talk) 03:37, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didn't say that, I was quite clear about the fact that Kwame Brown has said this. I also provided evidence for the fact that people, and particularly some journalists/bloggers, are talking about it even though for over twenty years it was just considered a given. On another note, I don't think evaluative judgments about sports performance are comparable to scientists attempting to account for the validity of evolution. The "truth," as told by a contemporary sports journalist is not based on the same standards as scientific validity of a theory of origin. These labels for athletic performance are debatable, as the articles (that I cited) point out. JaneNova (talk) 19:00, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources given for claim that Journalists are questioning whether Brown is a bust don't actually say that