Talk:Habbo/Archive 4

message: Did it actually happen, yes or no?
If so, how were 10, 000 + people able to pull it off? -G
:Yes.  Via 4chan's large community (and a few from others).  No officially published documentation however. --Dch111 18:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not only 4 chan but other chans (Ex 7, 12) and also many other communitys such as Ytmnd. Tokyo Michael 17:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh yes they happened, I have been a witness for the last three or four. If anyone wants proof that they happened, later tonight (around 4 o'clock) I can provide screencaps of the raids as well as links the various websites used as staging points for the raids. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Danis1911 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As far as I know the only way to raid someone is saying something like \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ over and over. But if anyone has any screenshots about that please tell me because it is impossible for someone other than the owner to pick up the furni in the room. I am coming to you from the Australian Hotel.--Destructo 087 04:29, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Habbo raid

message: ...WHY doesn't this include information on the 4chan raid?...That's kind of...ignorant...65.27.211.52 21:36, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: SEE prior discussions *sigh*. Perhaps we should put up a big huge notice on the top of the talk page about why it's not included.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 21:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Whenever I got into the poolsphere deck no matter when, 'nigras' try to close it.  It's a constant thing. SakotGrimshine 13:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: And ED is not a reliable source nor is it credible.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 16:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes ED made it all up. —  MichaelLinnear 23:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ED is not 4chan. 211.26.186.11 05:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pool's Closed

message: look, the seriousness of the topic of the raids isnt what matters, its factual accuracy. And if there is no mention of an event, then that is just as bad as inaccuracy. The Nigra Martyrs need representation by wikipedia. Wikipedia should not be allowed to ignore history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Danis1911 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got to agree here, even if the raids are the effect of a bunch of trolls, they are significant within the Habbo community, and many people have found out about Habbo Hotel simply because of the raids. I'm an example of one of those people. Xizer 02:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  See the many archived discussions on this. Dead topic, move on.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 20:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not dead, it's the most action this non-notable community site ever got. Supporting the inclusion of the pool invasion! --84.137.57.157 05:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: 24.184.26.27 has been blocked for two days for vandalising the page. Note that these type of edits are not tolerated and will be reported to WP:AIV with hesitation. Sock puppets are not welcome either.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 06:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Trolls and vandals continue to beat this topic with a dead horse. The continuing vandalism of this page only goes on to show that it should not be included. The topics have been covered many times in the past.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 00:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and yet there is no mention of the habbo raids. why is this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.175.208.92 (talk) 00:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read through the earlier discussions and maybe you'll know. james (talk) 09:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didntt mean that the reasons aren't there, I meant that they are not valid. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.244.216.6 (talk) 15:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are more than willing to participate in the discussion, but simply beating a dead horse and stating that our reasoning was not valid isn't very helpful. The reasoning goes along these main lines: Non-notable in the sense that it isn't a highly important event for an encyclopedia; it isn't citable with reliable sources; and it is an event staged by trolls from a web-site. I can't agree on how it would benefit the article or any of its readers, outside of the vandals who persist on adding it in, or some relation to AIDS or any other ethnic group.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 06:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we add it to the 4chan or Something Awful articles? It's notable for them without doubt; it shows they were able to organise into a force that caused a website to crash. Moreover, the Ebaum controversy is included and it is in a way similar to these raids. --80.47.15.122 19:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Edit: I've thought of several sources:
*http://www.poolsclosed.com
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipACsinKe0Y A video of the event
*http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=habbo+raid
*[link removed]
*http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?p=5266294
*http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=61360736
*http://www.thetechguide.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=53904
*And even http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=habbo+raid&ndsp=18&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&start=0&sa=N&filter=0
I'd say the sheer volume of material out there is more or less proof. Sure, Forums aren't that reliable, but all this stuff has to prove it one way or another?
Perhaps Wikipedia could organise a petition of people who can say who was there. Plus, you could possibly check banned accounts at the time an see they're all black with afros. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.47.15.122 (talk) 19:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Habbo Raids need to be included 

message: Several crews, consisting of over 100 people, on habbo.co.uk have emerged and were involved in forcing black habbos to leave the pools in response to the July 12th 'raid' they terrorised habbo for a few weeks until their head Himmler2 received a permanent ban for a T&C violation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.20.2.133 (talk) 19:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See article Nigredo Hotel. --SakotGrimshine 13:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Non-notable event and one that is totally encyclopedic. I can't even fathom how this is citable.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 06:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Habbo racist crews 

message: I agree with the editor in the above section. This article seems to be grossly bloated with Habbocruft that is not supported by the sources. It should definitely be cut down drastically. —  MichaelLinnear 23:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article 

message: My two cents: having never heard of Habbo before I reverted some vandalism, I find the screen shot (crappy though it may be to some) far more useful and informative than the logo. -- Richard D. LeCour (talk/contribs) 19:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: -I concur;  I saw the activity on this article in Recent Changes and figured that I would check it out.  I saw both images, the logo first and then the screenshot.  The logo looked like something from an old Atari game: low tech, pixelated, etc.  Granted, the screenshot is the same way, but a person can immediately tell what "Habbo" is at the first glance of the article.  As the image that was loaded is small and is a fair representation of the game, I personally believe that the screenshot is an acceptable image for the infobox.  Mec modifier 04:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm inclined to agree - the screen shot grabs the reader more. I first came upon this article reverting vandalism (unrelated - weeks ago), and I saw the screen shot and immediately understood what habbo's were. The logo may belong elsewhere in the article, but not as the very first image. Natalie 04:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with everything Natalie says. The logo belongs in the article, but not in the infobox (which implies giving information - the screenshot is much more informative than the logo), and not when the logo image has jpeg compression artifacts, a weird crop and a black background. james (talk) 05:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Uh, I don't think you're going to win converts with this level of discourse. Natalie 04:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously both images are important, so how about showing both images in the infobox? The Habbo logo is quite distinctive and recognizable, and usually it is the logo that appears in infoboxes, with screenshots and other images throughout the article, but we do need a better quality logo. How about a screenshot that includes the logo (the intro screen)? Pomte 15:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll concur that the image of the game itself is more informative than a horribly-designed logo that may infringe on trademark issues. The logo also does not portray a fair representation of the game itself, and the comments left by Toajaller3146 can be construed as owning the article. Edit warring is also not an option.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 21:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Showing both sounds good to me, but does the infobox allow for it? Also found  which would appear to be a better quality version of the logo. james (talk) 23:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  See right. james (talk) 23:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks pretty darn good, and is a good compromise for all concerned in my opinion.  Mec modifier (talk/contribs) 00:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: And done. james (talk) 00:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Someone just changed the picture again. Sigh. Lannah 03:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo vs. Screen Capture 

message: Just an observation, but after visiting the USA Habbo website, I saw that the game is geared more for teens; the Habbo site mentioned this in no less than 3 places that I saw in my quick read-through.  This article only makes one mention of teens, in the Sponsor section.  I suggest adding a blurb to the introduction, such as:Habbo Hotel is a virtual community for teenagers owned and operated by Sulake Corporation that combines the two concepts of a chat room and an online game.  I figure that the two words for teenagers is a small enough edit that it gets the point across without bogging down the intro or article, and lets "old folks" like me know it's not really suited for them.  Mec modifier 05:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Target Audience for Habbo Hotel

message: Please, no more adding games to the Guest Room games section! That section is ment to be kept BRIEF. This article does not need every small detail about the Hotel. Spebi[c] 21:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-Game Games 

message: This page really needs to be protected. These useless and pointless edits DO NOT need to be included in the article. It has been happening so much lately and needs to be stopped.
Wikipedia readers DO NOT need to know all the possible commands for a virtual pet.
Wikipedia readers DO NOT need to know all the possible player-made games.
Help this article by suggesting more things that don't need extra explanation for this article. I for one, am sick of this nonsense going on. --Spebi[talk] 09:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unneccesary Stuff 

message: Um, just out of morbid curiosity, who edited the screenshot image in the infobox?  I distinctly remember that there were only 3 speech bubbles, none of which mentioned Scientology. (Please Note: I do not have anything against Scientology, the Bridge, or LRH, nor am I currently or previously an SP) Someone has been tweaking with the image and added a disparaging remark about the religion, and could potentially start a ruckus.  And I'm too lazy to search through all the recents edits to find out who did it.  Mec modifier (talk/contribs) 02:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was User:Losars who added the commentary about scientology (see image history). I've reverted the image and left a  notice on his talk page. --Muchness 02:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It's preferable to use the original version of the image since a) as Mec modifier noted, the version with Scientologist's comments added may be construed as disparaging (even if that wasn't the intention), and b) the edited version doesn't add anything of encyclopedic value to the original image. --Muchness 03:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientologist Jab on Image 

message: If you've ever been hacked on Habbo Hotel I have the userbox for you. Click here if you want it.
You can't be "hacked" on the Hotel.. it's called "keylogging" and "having an easy password that is easy to guess what it is". But this discussion page is about the article, not about the Hotel. Spebi 05:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically, yes you can, but 95% of the programs out there are keyloggers or Client-Sided hacks.. --Mychilli 15:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Have you been hacked on Habbo? 

message: Recently, I added two old positions to the Moderation and management section. The edit was reverted due to no citations and "largely just rumours and theories and too much detail". I am willing to rewrite the content I submitted, including sources. But, I dont want to go through the trouble of rewriting it all if it wont benefit the article (I dont want to bloat it with useless information).
So, would it be acceptible to you guys to add information about two positions that no longer exist in Habbo Hotel, or would it be considered useless info? Blakeo x 18:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you mean the gold and silver hobbas, those positions should really have a sentence or two because they were a big part of habbo. Lannah 03:30, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Management Positions 

message: Needs to be deleted. There is just no need for it to be there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.214.114.124 (talk) 05:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Jud and FatHarry part.... 

message: Some of the hotels that are on the list are actually not hotels at all. For example, Mexico and New Zealand are considered hotels, but they just redirect to the Spanish and Australian hotels. Shouldn't we just take them out? -Lannah 07:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The source cited in that section says they are hotels, so that's what we say. james (talk) 09:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Hotels 

message: I believe it is entirely unacceptable that a commercial operation, like Habbo ...engaged in financial transactions with clients... would be able to mask the business entity from the client, by dealing only through emails and, most often, by using aliases rather than real names.
There should be a transparent publication of phone numbers, postal and street address for each of the Habbo business enities in the various countries in which the company trades.
It is currently too easy for an anonymous Habbo representative to make claims against the client, and then cancel all the goods purchased.
This kind of behaviour is not deemed acceptable in day to day business transactions and should not be acceptable with online enitities, without having contact between real people in an independent 'court of appeal'.
The process of reviewing ones own behaviour internally is unacceptable in the real world.
Habbo's practice should be reviewed in much the same way that many other internet scams have come under scrutiny. AussieLabrat 06:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This talk page is not about the discussion of Habbo Hotel itself, it is about discussing the article, how it can be improved, etc. --spebi 06:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Habbo Contacts Should Be Transparent 

message: There's been a big update on the Habbo UK website, including a new addition of habbo groups. Most of the information can be found here, but i'm just wondering which section in the article it should go under. I'm thinking features, but if anyone else thinks it should go somewhere else then feel free to say so. -Lannah 09:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New updates 

message: This is not a typical habbo guest room..
This is a room belonging to a habbo who is extremely rich and to say it's a typical guest room is misleading to newbie players.. This may even have been taken in a staff guest room due to the infobus poster or maybe again, a retro hotel which is illegal..
My main point is that it's not a typical habbo room as all the furniture in the room is not avaliable to new users. Does anybody care to add a screen cap of a room that has normal furni? Amstoakes 13:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This image will make newbie players (or atleast those who haven't been playing for too long) think that other players have vast amounts of valuable furni. This screenie is used in a lot of other websites to show what the 'average' room looks like, as I swear i've seen it before. Considering there's been many more updates since that came out, we should have an image that shows more of the furniture that's recently come out. Lannah 06:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that too. Type anything in the search filter and you'll get a wide number of empty rooms (or rooms with one or two chairs in them).--WaltCip 02:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Do you know how hard it is to get a Spyro egg in Habbo Hotel? The item is ultra-rare, for all I know.--WaltCip 23:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Please stay on topic here, remembering what this page is meant for. –Spebi 07:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you even aware which Hotel the picture is from? If it IS from the UK hotel, then those furniture pieces are very rare. If the picture right now is not "a typical guest room" then we will use this one (to the right). –Spebi 06:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the right one. That looks more believable, if not highly creative.--WaltCip 10:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The image on the right is a perfect example of a typical habbo room, with furniture that is actually in the cataloge. Amstoakes 10:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Although it is a bit too pink for my liking, this picture is much better than the previous one we had. And to what the person who didn't sign their post said up there ^, that's utter bullshit. The majority of habbos on the UK hotel don't have many thrones (if any), and we needed an image for a room that looks like what the majority of habbos have. So go figure. Lannah 23:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of typical habbo room..