Talk:Death: The Time of Your Life

message: Just a short point that I felt worth making:
I feel the distinction should be made between a gothic appearance and a subscription to the gothic subculture, hence my edit.
Though I cannot call myself an expert, goth culture represents , at the very least, a statement about oneself. Death has no affiliations with the music culture or the persona represented by the subculture, she merely has the appearance of a goth. I know this sounds pedantic, but in truth death is almost the anti-goth, deliberately exuding humility and plainess, and the cultural references she frequently makes -mary poppins, little mermaid, etc. can only be said to clash with any view of what the goth subculture- if not all goths themselves, to be fair. It would seems reasonable to say that Gaiman is even deliberately pushing against death -and by extension the sandman meta-series- being pigeonholed as goth-oriented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.190.62 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 5 June 2006
:Gaiman's writings don't support your idea that he is deliberately pushing against identification with goths in Sandman or anything else... that idea is way wide of the mark, because Gaiman is deliberately pushing against the common stereotypes that people ascribe to others who they do not understand.  (Much of Gaiman's work is infused with this recurring theme, the difference between who people are on the inside and who you think they are looking at them from the outside.)  And what are 'affiliations' with 'goth culture' (whatever that is)?  Anyone can buy black clothes at the mall.  The bit about Death merely having the appearance of a goth is particularly interesting given Death's similarity (in both persona and appearance) to Sinnamon (often mistakenly spelled 'Cinnamon'), the goth woman Mike Dringenberg based his drawings of Death on.
:Not every goth is a humorless dismal depressive (though some overly-dramatic teens might fit that description), just as not everyone with cowboy boots and a pickup truck is an inbred wife-beater redneck (though those, too, exist)... the presence of a few people that fit a stereotype doesn't validate the stereotype.  Such stereotypes might seem like harmlessly useful mental shorthand (until you find yourself on the wrong end of one), but in essence they are all expressions of prejudice and misconceptions about things we don't understand.  Once you get past those abstractions to understand the actual people, the stereotypes tend to disappear.  There are about as many personalities and points of view as there are people, a point Gaiman returns to over and over in his stories and which he made a vital component of Death's personality... as Death tells Hazel in Death: The Time of Your Life, "nobody's creepy from the inside". 76.105.238.158 (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
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