Talk:Patrick Henry College/Archive 1

message: Thank you Khaosworks and HappyCamper for protecting this page.  Was this being done by a robot, because it was being vandalised almost twice per minute by at least 3 IP addresses today.  Yamaguchi先生 05:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism protection

message: I really don't see the point of having this section, seeing as none of the faculty are notable. I don't see the faculty listed on other college articles and don't see why this article should be any different. If anyone feels differently, feel free to state your case. Aplomado - UTC 02:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing "Current Faculty" section 

message: Does anyone know the URL of the unofficial PHC student forum?  If you do, could you leave a note on my user page? Thanks --64.113.81.179 19:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: You added: "In June, the Channel 4 TV network in the United Kingdom aired a documentary titled "God's Next Army" focusing on the link between the college and the US administration, and the political emphasis of study subjects. The programme-makers suggested that students were being primed for life as politicans or political lobbyists, with the eventual intention of building enough political strength to turn the United States into a Christian Republic. The programme also drew attention to the ties between the college and the current US administration."
I removed it for a number of reasons:
* Why is this documentary notable enough to be included in the History section? There have been a number of media outlets that have produced or written something about the college, this is just the latest instance.
* "... with the eventual intention of building enough political strength to turn the United States into a Christian Republic." This definitely needs to be sourced if it's going to be included.
* It essentially just rehashes a bunch of stuff that's already mentioned in the article, such as the ties between the college and the current US administration, the political emphasis of study subejcts and the fact that students are slated towards jobs in politics. There's no new revelations here.
Any response? Aplomado talk 03:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I can see adding it from the standpoint that it gives an international aspect to it. One question, though. I seem to remember that a documentary about the school entitled "God's Next Army" was to air on a Discovery subsidiary here in the U.S. a couple weeks ago. I didn't see it, is it a British documentary or did it simply happen to get played on a television station in the UK? Also, we need to know where specifically it was aired in the UK and whether it was widespread enough for us to be able to call it a "burst" of international attention. Aplomado talk 17:50, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To John the mackem 

message: After reading the entries for several other universities, I thought it would be appropriate to add a section describing the PHC campus. I plan on adding several pictures in the next week or so, as there are currently no pictures of the campus in the article. I have also updated a few miscellaneous portions of the article and added a sentence mentioning that all faculty vacancies resulting from the spring 2006 controversy have been filled, referencing the PHC press release to that effect. --DebateLord 18:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Campus Section

message: http://www.saveroot.com/ is down. — goethean ॐ 20:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  saveroot.com 

message: Would someone please stop changing all references to Lake Bob to the "Farris Sea"? I don't care if that name is mentioned in an old news article; it simply isn't called that. As a current student, I can personally attest to the fact that it is universally referred to as 'Lake Bob' by students and faculty alike. Also, would whatever student who is responsible for the recent vandalism please quit it? Wikipedia is not the place to play your stupid jokes or air your grudges against the school. In doing so, you just make youselves look like fools. Thanks.--DebateLord 19:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lake Bob

message: I have deleted the references to saveroot.com in the Religious Affiliations section, as the site has since been taken down and has been offline for more than a month. If anyone feels that was inappropriate, feel free to voice your concerns.--DebateLord 18:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted SaveRoot.com

message: Would like to remove the first sentence of this section because accreditation is discussed elsewhere in the article and also because the warnings in the statement are not supported.
Anyone have a problem with this?
- Holywoodhills 12 Dec 2006
:I think it should be left in, it is worth pointing out that the degrees has not been independently validated, which in its self is unusual for a academic programes. I don't think it's important enough to be in such a prominent position in the section, as it misleads the reader into thinking the accrediation is more important than the programmes offered, which clearly isn't the case. You also quite rightly point out that it is already mentioned in both the history and the introduction. The supporting information can be found here Fasach Nua 18:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a balancing statement to the accreditation thing.  Additionally, that templated statement is not entirely correct with respect to PHC - use of the degree should be valid everywhere because PHC is officially authorized to grant degrees by the Commonwealth of Virginia.  --Tim4christ17 talk 21:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Academics section

message: The above edit was made, and reverted on the grounds of "POV" and "Vandalism", and while it may have been flamebait, I dont think it is either "POV" as it is stating refenced facts, and it is not "vandalism" as it does add something to the article. I think the best way to deal with this would be if someone has any independent evidence that "the college currently has been authorized to offer degrees in the Commonwealth of Virginia", to post it as a citation, by quoting the college's website to substantiate this claim may fail WP:VERIFY, especially if this source seems to contradict the The State Council of Higher Education for Virginia - Fasach Nua 10:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I probably should have posted in here explaining my reasons for that revert. First of all there was some simple vandalism where the poster with the unknown IP removed two external links (PHC Republicans and Streaming Media Network) with no explanation. Regarding the degree thing, this referenced article was a record of the VA Higher Education council from 2001, in which they initially authorized PHC to grant degrees, with the permission set to expire November 30, 2006. However, since that record was so old and a lot has changed in the accreditation process at PHC, which is currently in its final stages, it didn't actually verify the person's claim that PHC no longer is authorized to grant degrees. The way that sentenced was worded smelled strongly of POV as well, and was a blatant attempt to discredit the college. It would be nice if we had a definitive source saying one way or the other, but we currently only have PHC's statement that they are currently authorized to grant degrees vs. an outdated record that says nothing about whether that authorization actually expired on November 30 or whether it was extended. Until we can find a definitive statement on the matter, I think it would be best not to include that sentence, or at least if it is included put a disputed tag on the article. --DebateLord 16:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have reverted the reorganising of external links  by the anon IP that clumped the college links together, which had been erroniously reverted Fasach Nua 13:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: PHC is now listed on the CHEA website, fulfilling the state accredited institution requirements for Oregon and presumably the other states, evidently because the school is a candidate for accreditation by an accreditation body recognized by the US Department of Education.  See http://www.chea.org/search/actionInst.asp?CheaID=169165.  I believe we should now remove the warning remarks about illegalities and non-accreditation.  I plan to do this within the next couple of days unless given a good reason not to by more than one contributor.  Holywoodhills talk 03:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits 23 December