Talk:Prostitution in New Zealand

message: changed 18 to 17 as 18 year olds are allowed to be sex workers. added latest report --Rbaal 03:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It hasn't? My understanding was that in 1840 or thereabouts the laws of Britain became the laws of NZ. Was prostitution not illegal in Britain? Could you put it some kind of history summary? --Helenalex 14:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The above statement is only partially correct. The old Massage Parlours Act ( repealed by the new PRA  ) actually made all acts of prostitution occurring within a massage parlour an offense under the Act. Thus the attempts by parlours and masseuses to separate the transaction into parts did not actually change the illegality, but simply made it difficult for the police to prove a case as an officer would have to go into the room with the masseuse. This makes the main article also somewhat incorrect as prostitution itself was illegal if it occurred within a massage parlour. Confused ? That's why the move to reform. Under the old system massage parlours were licensed but had to play a dance with the police over not being brothels, while additionally the workers were not allowed to be masseuses if they had drug convictions, which forced such people onto the streets and into unsafe environments.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.86.103 (talk) 13:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Historic legality

message: (moved from article) - note left in relation to Copeland's press release - Note: the figures named in the article are not the same as found in Sweden (this editor is from Sweden). Police reports about 130 street prostitutes in Stockholm. Other sources estimates an additional 600-800 over the internet, in houses etc. The law is questioned in Sweden. To note is that there is very little debate nor research done in Sweden regarding prostitution.
A report from the government from year 2004 can be found at: http://www.socialstyrelsen.se/Publicerat/2004/8449/Summary.htm. Never reports from 2007 also exists.
Prostitution is about the same before and after the law, maybe slightly higher. The difference is mainly that it has moved from the streets to other places where it is more difficult for government to track it.
The intention from the government is however that the law shall be further more strict.''
Mgoodyear (talk) 07:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gordon Copeland and Sweden

message: I reversed the removal of the flag, because I think that it helps unite the various New Zealand topics. It's not irrelevant, just to prostitution, not to New Zealand, where this is a very important topic 142.239.254.19 (talk) 15:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The  template at the bottom of the article serves the purpose of uniting New Zealand topics that you describe. The flag is an image entirely unrelated to prostitution. I'm not sure what would be a suitable illustration. I took a look at my book of old New Zealand cartoons (The Unauthorised Version) in the hope of finding one about prostitution which was out of copyright, but didn't see anything. There's a photo on Flickr under a suitable licence depicting an advertisement for prostitutes, but to reproduce that here is to support the particular club which is presumably still in business. We could also take a photo on a suitable street corner of street-walkers, taking care not to show faces. Perhaps the best approach would be to contact the New Zealand Prostitutes' Collective and ask them to supply a suitable photo under a free license, such as CC-BY.-gadfium 18:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone could set up the kind of cheesy pic they sometimes use to illustrate newspaper articles on the story - like a woman in lingerie (no face shown) counting money or something. There might be a generic one on Commons but it would be likely to show foreign currency or driving on the right side of the street or something. --Helenalex (talk) 21:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Flags on 'by Country' articles

message: This article needs significant re-writing.  It has very poor sentence structures and grammar. JohnC (talk) 00:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs significant re-writing

message: Radical feminists do not support prostitution and its legalization. Liberal feminsts do. 
And radical feminists are not "traditional", they oppose everything which is traditional. 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.121.9.90 (talk) 13:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Radical feminists are opposed to prostitution

message: An article about the broader subject or sex/sexuality/sexual behaviour in New Zealand might be a good idea, assuming nothing like that exists at present, which I don't think it does. Richard001 (talk) 01:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broader article needed? 

message: It is pretty obvious that since the last major re-write of this article I did in early 2009, a small number of anonymous sources have devoted considerable energy to giving the article a negative spin, largely based on dubious sources and opinion. For instance Melissa Farley, one of the most outspoken critics of sex work, never wrote any report on the situation in New Zealand she merely stated her opinions on her own website. I have attempted to clean some of this up without removing material. Mgoodyear (talk) 13:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: "The vast majority of New Zealand sex workers are biologically female, but there are also male and transgender workers, particularly in Auckland. Both engage in sole operator businesses as described above, and a few male brothels and escort agencies exist. In addition, transgender street walkers are not uncommon. Male prostitutes aiming at a male clientele usually advertise in the gay newspaper Express or in New Zealand Truth." 
This is very uninformative, and unreferenced. --Hugh7 (talk) 21:26, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Vague and unsourced

message: I'm an American human rights lawyer and I had significant trouble understanding the state of prostitution (or sex work) in Australia after reading this article. The summary the top _stops_ with the 2003 act when it should start with it as it's the current law. It wasn't until the 7th paragraph within the section "Prostitution Reform Act 2003" that it actually started talking about what the Act did. I'm not against the historical analysis, but place that in a different section, such as "Build up to the 2003 Act." 122.160.69.181 (talk) 12:34, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
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