Talk:Kirpan

message: What's the US policy on Kirpans in schools? I heard of a case similar to the one in Canada happening in the US, but don't know anything else about it.
:: I believe that at present the matter is dealt with on a state by state basic. However, in a case last year, of Sukhpreet Singh at Wayne State University who was arrested on August 24, 2005 at a hearing in December, 2005 was aquitted of all charges. See rediff.com and www.unitedsikhs.orgfor more information. --Hari Singh 13:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kirpan in the US 

message: The recent case in Canada of the Supreme Court ruling that Kirpans can be worn to school has brought up discussion regarding whether or not the Kirpan needs to be sharp, or if it can be dull and still serve the same ceremonial and religious purposes. Could we have this clarified in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adc fortytwo (talk • contribs)  3 March 2006
:I came to the talk page to ask exactly the same question. Are most Kirpans dull, or are many kept sharp? -postglock 06:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sharpness of the blade 

message: ...as used in the article, is a nonsense. There's no such thing. I would grant you "ornamental weapon" as it's clearly ornamented, but the difference between a, so called, defensive weapon and an offensive weapon is intent. However, intent cannot be bestowed on an inanimate object. The whole "Defensive Weapon" article should be wiped: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_weapon as proselytizing for the gun lobby rather than presenting fact, so you can leave that argument out.
You could easily add "intended as a" to be accurate. Zaelath 06:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You said there is no such thing, but what measurements did you take to determine that it is ornamental rather than Defensive? Do you measure mass, the material it is made of, the shape of the handle, the electrical conductance? Personally, what I did was read about the religion and it was introduced by some guy because Sikh believers were being attacked. So, the believers used it as a defensive weapon. I suggest that you study the history of this religion. 15:52, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defensive Weapon 

message: Question: is there any rule about what material the kirpan must be made of? Does it have to be metal?  If there are no specific rules, then perhaps it could be made of cardboard or cloth. That way it would pass through metal detectors and would certainly be allowed by any security guard with even a tiny bit of common sense.  Zsero 16:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material 

message: Do we have any explanation on why Sikhs don't like the word "dagger"? If we can have some sort of explanation we might be able to add it in neutral language like "Sikhs prefer not to compare their ceremonial knives with other weapons..." But without an explanation we can't leave point of view statements in the article. Nick (talk) 21:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is "dagger" disrespectful? 

message: as you know there is a tag on the first section that states there are too many quotes, it would be better if they wern't in the quote box, and they are either removed or rephrased and worded into the section without the quotes. anyone else agree with me?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superbun (talk • contribs) 17:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overuse of quotations in first section 

message: I've re-worded the section on Denmark for the moment: there were several references to the "Danish Weapons Law", but no detail about which actual law this is. Could somebody with a knowledge of the Danish statute book give some detail about which particular law (act and year) was used in these cases?  ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 10:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danish Weapons Law 

message: The article is wildly biased towards the Sikh POV.  E.g. "...the bravery of a Khalsa can never be questioned as history is witness to the steadfastness of their resolve", etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.111.141.100 (talk) 13:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: Regarding the following claim:
:Article 25 of the Indian Constitution deems the carrying of a kirpan to be included in the profession of the Sikh religion, thus legalizing the carrying of a kirpan by Sikhs.
I think the claim that wearing a Kirpin is legal in India is pretty non-contentious.  And it's protection by the Constitution would make sense.  But, I think the claim that the Constitution specifically covers the issue of the Kirpan, should be cited, to something other thank sikhinformationcentre.org, which appears to be a bias source.  It also happens to be invalid link.  --Rob (talk) 20:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian constiution 

message: Can someone add more info about what Kirpans look like? There is a picture but what is the size of the knife there? And do Kirpans have to look like that (thin handle, curved blade)? How much can they vary? Do they have to be “blessed” somehow? Do they have to contain symbols?
94.142.238.245 (talk) 11:02, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearance, size 

message: This paragraph:
On 11 September 2016 a group of men, some carrying blades, during an early morning religious service occupied the foyer of a Sikh gurdwara (temple) in Leamington Spa, Warwickshire, where a wedding between a Sikh bride and a Hindu groom had been scheduled, threatening worshippers and causing the wedding to be postponed. A trustee of the temple described the men as "fanatical extremists". Police, with firearms in light of reports that the men were armed (British police do not normally carry firearms), attended, arrested 55 men, and seized "a significant number of bladed weapons", all but one of which were kirpans. There had been several previous incidents where a group of men had attempted to enter the gurdwara over the issue of mixed marriages, and been stopped by temple security staff. Gurdwara trustee Jaswat Videe said that the intruders were “absolutely wrong” to think that Sikhism prohibits interfaith marriage: "Scripture doesn’t discriminate between anyone ... The Guru says every citizen in the world is equal."[20][21] Other opinions among Sikhs strongly oppose such mixed marriages.[22]
While it is interesting gives undue weight to an incident, whereas the article is about the implement. I believe it should be trimmed radically, perhaps omitted based upon WP:NOTNEWS. It seems to me to have a place in a different article, wikilnked from here, but not in this article, certainly in this detail. Fiddle Faddle 20:26, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: [Edited 12Sep16] I wrote this. My reason for including it is that the article suggests that the kirpan, often a real rather than symbolic knife, is worn in practice for purely religious reasons, only symbolically signifying "the courage to defend the rights of all who are wrongfully oppressed or persecuted". (When I first saw the article years ago I think this view came across more strongly.) Here we have a specific incident apparently of  kirpan-carriers threatening Sikhs in opposition to their view, with the police confiscating the weapons. I have deleted the opinions on mixed marriages. I think this incident, and any other where the kirpan was deployed as a threatening or wielded weapon, is very relevant to the article topic, and to society at large (it isn't a purely inter-Sikh issue). Possibly this case will reveal further facets and changes as it continues, but it appears rather shocking. Pol098 (talk) 21:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

text: If the group had been wielding kirpans as weapons (the police were originally called about a group of men with bladed weapons) it would have been very relevant. It has later transpired that the kirpans confiscated were ceremonial, with no reports that they were wielded, so the incident loses its relevance, and I will delete the paragraph. The details of the reason for the intrusion were indeed irrelevant, and I had deleted them a couple of days ago because of this. Pol098 (talk) 23:16, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weight 

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message: If somebody could edit the part about the swedish law that would be great, I am a bit unsure on how to do it properly myself however it is not truly factually correct. Swedish law forbids carrying certain kinds of tools that is classified as street weapons in public spaces yes, however there is no specific ban on knives in this, it is all based on the design and intended use of the tool in question (not only knives fall under this). Furthermore swedish law specifically bans ANY item that might be used as a weapon to be carried for illegal purposes, this includes knives but also screwdrivers, baseball bats, lengths of chain and other such things. This means that it is fully legal to carry anything that is not specifically designed for combat in public as long as you do not carry it for illegal purposes (illegal purposes includes defense of self or others). This is a bit of a tricky law and unfortunately not fully known by a lot of people, including some members of Law Enforcement. The law is named as follows: Lag (1988:254) om förbud beträffande knivar och andra farliga föremål
Worth noting is that swedish Law Enforcement has put up a bit of an odd description of the law on their own website which does not fully follow neither the actual text in the law or the precedents.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.123.162.201 (talk) 12:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish law 

message: I do not have all of the details, but will look into it and then edit if someone else has not picked this up yet. In Queensland, State law prohibits the carrying of knives for self defense or to help others (as the symbolic use of the Kirpan) but allows carrying in public for religious reasons. The Kirpan is named specifically in this legislation Chris Swart (talk) 11:11, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Law 

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