Talk:Moshe Ya'alon

message: A while ago this edit was made " 19:49, 3 March 2004 MathKnight (added more bio info, removed political debates and speculations)" which was a copywrite violation of this page.  Since this copywritten paragraph is still almost verbatim, I am reverting the entire article, and sections that were not copywrite violations can be readded as needed. Joshdboz 10:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copywrite Violation 

message: Does anybody know whatever happened to this suit?
Two of the CCR lawyers listed at the bottom also represent fascists at GTMO, and I was wondering if that connection was worth mentioning.
-- Randy2063 02:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 18, 1996 event and lawsuit 

message: This belongs on the page because
:1) It is well-sourced 
:2) it is widely cited
:3) the man has been misquoted  and is entitled to have the record set straight
:4) having the quote debunked will protect anti-Israel activists like Rashid Khalidi from making fools of themselvesHistoricist (talk) 15:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is probably the only article where this is relevant because the only person this quotation is relevant to, if anyone, is Ya'alon.  - It was WP:COATRACK-ed into at least four articles that I have found so far, in WP:BLP violating form.  See WP:BLP/N#Henry Siegman - "anti-Israeli" criticism.  I've changed the section here to match the reliable sources, and removed the unreliable partisan sourcing.  There is as yet no reliable source to say that the quote is bogus, fabricated, or even incorrect, only the New York Times statement that it is unverifiable and does not appear in the interview where it is generally attributed.  Anything beyond that needs reliable sourcing. 07:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've eliminated the BLP violations and non-reliable sources again.  There is a related issue (and related edit warring) on this and at least four other pages where the material appears, accessible from the above link.  Please discuss disputed additions on the talk page here, and do not edit war, particularly over material rejected as a BLP violation.Wikidemon (talk) 17:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm here from the CAMERA article.  If there were reliable sources which indicated that CAMERA did have a role in debunking this quote, then I think the material should be re-inserted, as the quote has been widely circulated, and CAMERA's role would acquire notability. I don't think we've achieved "edit war" status yet, have we? cojoco (talk) 22:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I cropped out the contentious bits and toned down the inflammatory wording to something more neutral. Well, at least until Historicist decides to butcher the English language again. GrizzledOldMan (talk) 06:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Sorry, looks like I added a recent reference before reading the Talk page and realizing the issue was highly contensious here. Nonetheless, it appears that the Toronto Star article published today explains the history of the quote and the various newspapers that have since issued corrections. Therefore, I think it is highly relevant to this article. Singularity42 (talk) 21:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, and thanks for bringing that to our attention.  The new Torronto Star analysis / apology is truly new information, source-wise, and answers a number of the concerns.  I agree with cojoco's comment above, that if we do have a neutral third party reliable source commenting on CAMERA's role in debunking the quote, it should be mentioned.  The new piece does exactly that, and casts CAMERA as the (a?) main proponent of setting the record straight.  It is also one of the first pieces to out-and-out say that Ya'alon didn't say it during the Haaretz interview (as opposed to that it was not in the published version of the interview), and to come out with such a strong statement that he never said it at all.  The Star piece also mentions Khalidi's repeating the quote in the New York Times being a pivotal moment that convinced CAMERA to take action.  The article further notes for context that the effect of the quote, and why it is important, was that it vilified Ya'alon and Israel as heartless aggressors.  All of that is legitimate, in my opinion, because it's reliably sourced now to an independent newspaper that conducted an investigation into the matter, and not to the advocates themselves.  However, I do not think we can take this one step further, to conduct our own original research into the spread of the quotation, or endorse CAMERA's attempts to cast Khalidi and other ideological opponents in a bad light.  The article casts this as a case study in the propagation of erroneous information that happens to resonate with some people's beliefs about Israel, and not as a deliberate attempt at propaganda or as an indictment of the integrity of those people who repeated it.  If a journalist or professor repeats a false quote that is often repeated, the facts are the facts - third party sourcing that it happened establishes as a weight / POV concern that those facts are noteworthy.   The earlier problem was that we did not have a good source.  Wikidemon (talk) 22:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: bogus quotation

message: I have referred the matter to AN/I here.  There is ongoing edit warring across several articles, the WP:BLP/N discussion and talk page discussions have not stopped it, and we need to consolidate this in a single place.  Thanks, Wikidemon (talk) 22:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: AN/I

message: It appears his nickname was incorrectly recorded in the article as "Bogie", where it should be "Bogey" - as it's spelled in the Haaretz article.
Any complaints/concerns to this change, please comment. GrizzledOldMan (talk) 12:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently there's nothing in the article itself about his nickname. Is there any reliable source about its origin and pronunciation? The Haaretz link is broken. Mcljlm (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bogie -> Bogey 

message: Ya'alon has never called the people of "peace now" "Virus". The things he said were distorted by the new. We had a big discussion about it at the Hebrew value. At the end of which all were convinced that he didn't. He explained the things he said on the new, also there were articles about it (links are on the Hebrew site).
why shouldn't we change the value in English?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.64.72.135 (talk) 11:05, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: viruses

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message: According to the Hebrew article נולד בשם משה סמולינסקי. At https://www.geni.com/people/Moshe-Bogie-Ya-alon/6000000002769727637 "Son of David Smilansky and Batia Smolainsky ... Brother of Zvi Gilad (Smolainsky)" appears. Various Hebrew sources have סמולנסקי,  in English Smolansky. Other English sources have Smolinski. Is there a reliable source? Mcljlm (talk) 17:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original surname 

message: Template:Infobox member of the Knesset has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox officeholder. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 17:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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message: Since דרך ארוכה קצרה The Longer Shorter Way has been translated - with the  title The longer, shorter pathhttps://www.worldcat.org/title/1128104279 - it would be useful for that to be cited for the 10 December 1992 incident rather than the Hebrew edition. Mcljlm (talk) 03:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  English edition