Talk:Arab Jews

message: I'll try to ignore the obvious antisemitism that influenced some of the editors of this article (see talk section "Arab Jews is a controversial term...")
Arab Jews is, as the page states, not the default term used to describe Jews from the Arab world. It is highly controversial (there's an entire section devoted to "criticism") and nearly always ideological. This page should open in a similar style to queer or Yankee. 
I know that technically this doesn't matter on this site, but seeing this, as someone with a Baghdadi family, is insulting and ridiculous. A term used by Arab nationalists to refer to their countries' Jews, and not used at all by 99% of those Jews themselves, should not be described as a a neutral term.Eladabudi (talk) 16:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first sentence should be about the term ''Arab Jews'' itself ("is a term used to describe/ a controversial term) 

message: Please restore the infobox, in-line 'citation needed' tags and dead link tags that you removed in (these edits). You provided no reason for removing the infobox, a critical and well-sourced component of the article. Your reasons for removing the dead link tagging are also unclear (note for instance the clearly dead Voice of America source that you removed the dead link tag from). You also provided no explanation for removing several 'citation needed' tags in instances where no further citation has been provided. You should also not unilaterally remove disputed neutrality tags from articles when the neutrality is so clearly the source of dispute, and where the only changes made since the application of the tag are your own nonconsensual edits. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox did not use reliable sources, and only addressed a small minority of Jews from Arab countries - the small minority, less than 0.1%, still living in Arab countries after the pogroms and expulsions - most now live in Israel, France, the US, and other countries who offered refuge from antisemitism. The infobox was inappropriate - this is a term most Mizrahi Jews find deeply offensive and object to - adding population figures in an infobox is the same as adding such an infobox to Nigger. I provided citations to the citation needed tags. Your addition of dead link tags was disruptive - most of the refs you tagged were journal and book sources, like Historicizing the Concept of Arab Jews in the Maghrib in The Jewish Quarterly Review which had no url and needs no url. The vast majority of your dead link tags were disruptive, and not on actually dead links. Free1Soul (talk) 08:42, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Journal and book sources should of course, wherever possible, have links, e.g.: to Google books. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Your analogy is meanwhile terrible. For one, the point of this article is not to define what Arab Jews means from the perspective of one group, but what it has meant as a term over in entire history of use. It is also hard to see how this phrase can possibly be as offensive as you say, as it is in effect, a simple contraction of the term 'Arabised Jews', just as the term 'Arab' is essentially a contraction of the term 'Arabised peoples'. If there is any perceived offense in that, I assume you mean the term 'Arab' is viewed as offensive, which would seem to point more to the troubled mindset of those that take offense than any demonstrable inappropriateness in the basic terminology. Is 'Arabised' controversial as well? Iskandar323 (talk) 08:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Finally, if it was only the vast majority of my dead link tags that you viewed as disruptive, why did you remove them all, and not simply remove 'the vast majority'? Likewise, why did you remove all of the 'citation needed' tags indiscriminately? Iskandar323 (talk) 09:28, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of infobox and other unconstructive edits

message: Hi all, I have performed a massive rewrite of this piece to re-orient this page back towards its purpose as a page about "a term", the origins of the term, its recent political usage and the key criticisms against it, and away from being an article about Jewish community demographics, Mizrahi Jews or post-Zionism, none of which it should be about, and all of which have their own pages. As the section on origins and journal references hopefully make clear, the term 'Arab Jews' has been used as a term in academic literature long before the emergence of any post-Zionist critique or any other intellectual trends. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The section on "Arab-Jewish diaspora" is possibly also inappropriate and would be good to discuss. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

text: More like radically re-written the article to push an overtly racist agenda. Disappointing, but not surprising. The article has been massively damaged by these pernicious edits. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:05, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Which edits are you talking about? Everything I have done has been reverted. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:19, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Irony upon irony, you have inserted the hopelessly POV term 'gentile'. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:24, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite and clean-up

message: This is false information,  Jews in Arab countries do not identify themselves as Arabs, and they lived in separate communities conducting a Jewish way of life and did not embraced Arab culture and customs.  Especially in north Africa when most Jews settled after being exiled from Spain and Portugal.  Although all Jews are indigenous to Israel,  there are sub groups of Mizrahi Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardic Jews, East Asia Jews, Indians Jews.  But there is no Arabic Jews. An Arab Jew is a decent of mixed ethnicities. People who are supporting the use of this term are using it usually to insults Jews that are not Europeans, and by doing that,  act in a very racist way (towards both groups!)  This should not be published and need to be reported and removed in order tp keep Vikipedia credibility. 49.182.83.224 (talk) 15:00, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh... Iskandar323 (talk) 15:15, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a misleading term since Arabs and Jews are two different ethnic groups. 

message: Hello, there is an error: epistemologic is badly spelt. Kammback (talk) 15:26, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: small jars tc 15:52, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 February 2023 

message: ATTENTION, >>>>>Duplicated lines!!!!!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The term "Arab Jews" was used during the First World War by Jews of Middle Eastern origin living in Western countries, to support their case that they were not Turks and should not be treated as enemy aliens.[17][better source needed] Today the term is sometimes used by newspapers[which?] and official bodies in some countries,[where?] to express the belief that Jewish identity is a matter of religion rather than ethnicity or nationality. Many Jews disagree with this, do not use the term and, where it appears to them to be calculated to deny the existence of a distinct Jewish identity in favour of reducing the Jewish diaspora to a religious entity, even consider it offensive.[18][19] However, some Mizrahi activists, particularly those not born in Arab countries or who emigrated from them at a very young age, define themselves as Arab Jews.[citation needed] Notable writers on Arab-Jewish identity include Naeim Giladi, Ella Habiba Shohat, Sami Shalom Chetrit and David Rabeeya.
According to Salim Tamari, the term Arab Jew generally referred to a period of history when some Eastern Jews (Sephardic and Mizrahi) identified with the Arab national movement that emerged in the lead up to the dismantlement of the Ottoman empire, as early as the Ottoman administrative reforms of 1839, owing to shared language and culture with their Muslim and Christian compatriots in Ottoman Syria, Iraq, and Egypt.[4] Kammback (talk) 15:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: you didn't indicate what line was repeated, so I had to go searching for it. Please make edit requests in the WP:EDITXY format when possible. small jars tc 16:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 February 2023 (2) 

message: "In recent decades, some Jews have self-identified as Arab Jews, such as Ella Shohat, who uses the term in contrast to the Zionist establishment's categorization of Jews as either Ashkenazim or Mizrahim; the latter, she believes, have been oppressed as the Arabs have."
This paragraph is confusing. It seems to state as a fact that Arab Muslims have been oppressed (even saying to the extent of Mizrahi Jews), though this contradicts the vast majority, if not all, of Middle East history.
Arab Muslims have historically been the oppressors of Jews, Christians, and any other religion they ruled over. As the colonizers of the entirety of the Middle East and large portions of Africa, I fail to understand how this sentence is even remotely accurate. 24.24.163.139 (talk) 06:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supposed Oppression of Arabs in the Middle East