Talk:Northumbrian Old English

message: :Ynglis language was redirecting to Middle English which seemed less relevant, so I've changed it to redirect here. It might be worthwhile moving this article to the "Ynglis language" title. From other pages it seems that the invaders in this area were Angles, and the idea of Anglo-Saxon is a later construct implying a unity with the language of Saxon areas which seems unsupported by the differences still preserved in Geordie and Lallans. ....dave souza 15:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ynglis just means "English"; if it were to be moved, it would be to Northumbrian language, which would actually be pretty convenient for editors writing in links. - Calgacus 23:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah yeah and "Gaidhlig" just means "Gaeilge".  Latina  means Italiano and Dutch/Deutsch are all one thing. Give us a break and stop your double standards regarding language definitions80.192.59.202 03:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think David is disputing that, he was thinking of the Mercian Language parallel (which ought to be moved in any case, as the "L" should not be capitalized). Certainly, these matters should be kept consistent. The Mercian language article was moved in November without explanation; maybe it ought to be reverted or something.  - Calgacus 23:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict) That's true about Mercian language, the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages mandate the form XXX language. Perhaps Ynglis should have its own page (a disambiguation page) and direct readers to Mercian, Northumbrian, Old English, Anglic etc. Izehar 23:27, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I suppose we could get Mercian Language moved back to Mercian (Anglo-Saxon) if we had a poll on WP:RM. I am concerned about the fact that we have two redirects: Ynglis and Ynglis language, which both redirect to different articles now. Izehar 23:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, we could save ourselves the bother by just renaming all three. Say, Northumbrian Old English, Old English language, Northumbrian, Northumbrian Old English language, etc. - Calgacus 23:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ynglis language]] now redirects here

message: This all seems terribly confused. Having been investigating this and related subjects for a whole year now I offer the following:
Northumbrian English was one of the historical variants (a variant not a 'dialect') of Old English. It is not a term which refers to dialects of the area of northern England now commonly known as Northumbria. The term refers to the former Kingdom of Northumbria which extended from the Firth of Forth to the Humber. The term is 'relatively' new - an older technical term appears to have been Northern English. The language (or dialect group) spoken in lowland Scotland has been known by various names: until the last decade of the 15h century it was always called English (though most often spelled Inglis) from the mid 16th century it was commonly (but never exclusivley) called Scots.  Tbe terms 'Lallans' (for 'lowlands') was coined in the late 18th century, and 'Doric' in the late 19th century. 'Modern' Northern English dialects and Scots dialects are both descended from Northumbrian English. Cassandra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.2.26 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 June 2013‎
: What distinction do you think there is between "variant" and "dialect"? I see no reason not to call Northumbrian Old English a dialect of Old English. Angr (talk) 16:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We actually have an article on Variety (linguistics), according to which a variety is any specific form of a language, whether a language, a dialect, a subdialect, a dialect cluster, or whatever. So Northumbrian is definitely a variety of Old English, but that doesn't mean it isn't also a dialect. My definition of dialect may be different from yours, though; in fact, my feeling of what a dialect is is barely different from the definition of variety given in that article. Angr (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Well, we do have a separate article on Northern English, which is about the modern language. Angr (talk) 06:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Dialect vs. variant

message: This section needs a topic sentence connecting the information about the Lord's Prayer to the rest of the discussion. As it stands, the statement about contemporary use comes out of the blue in an article that to this point has been clearly constructed and logically argued. I assume the opening sentence documents the survival of Northumbrian phrases and pronunciation because of the widespread influence of the Lord's Prayer. If so, that point should be articulated and the discussion should follow the prayer—which itself should be contextualized in the larger article and provided with some background. Where does it come from, to start? What's the justification for The Lord's Prayer as a separate category? 
Thanks! KC 20:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lord's Prayer 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:English of Northumberland which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 17:32, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: 54kl 103.214.201.109 (talk) 03:58, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress