Talk:Kitchener, Ontario

message: Waterloo article has a media section, why not us? John wesley 17:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Media

message: I find ist hard to believe that Kitchener is  supposed to have only 140 frost-free days a year.  That would mean 216 days of winter. --174.119.145.37 (talk) 14:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, although things have gotten better. I changed the wording of that introductory sentence to "Kitchener's downtown core, though somewhat improved in recent years, has experienced considerable urban decay, thanks largely to the decline of industrial jobs in the city and the growth of its suburbs." Is that better? --timc | Talk 14:42, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely better, I like. Silvercloud 22:37, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: It certainly remains a debatable point, but IMO it is indeed improving. If UW and Laurier bring their satellites in, the western core at least will see some strong renewal. The east end, particularly Cedar Hill, are the biggest concern. Radagast 14:46, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
Cedar Hill is definetly crumbling into a low-income ghetto.  Then again, which city dosent have one?  Look at Toronto's Regant Park neighbourhood, or even Stratfords east end.
I think what is meant by "Kitchener's downtown core was once an area of considerable urban decay" refers to the time before civic square was built. ie pre-1980. Anyone who remembers downtown during the 70's knows that downtown has definatly improved. However, it is still a work in progress.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.39.213 (talk) 20:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: climate

message: OK, so Image:Kitchener_Downtown.jpg lacks a copyright tag. Having said that, Image:Kitchenerskyline.jpg just isn't a good picture. It contains trees, roofs, a utility pole, a billboard (!?!?) and then, far in the background, a couple of buildings downtown.
I've removed the picture altogether now to avoid a revert war. Hopefully Image:Kitchener_Downtown.jpg can be provided with a copyright tag and reinserted. --qviri 18:38, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If not, I may just head up there with a camera someday and duplicate it (it's taken from the 10th-floor public cafeteria at City Hall). Radagast 11:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I just stripped out the one I found there; it's of Waterloo, not Kitchener... Radagast 00:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that one's better. Radagast 00:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I think I know the spot; I'll keep it in mind for snapping this spring/summer. Radagast 00:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture of downtown in Economy 

message: I've added some more info on the city aswell as a photo of the parkway and a war time house. 216.59.248.76 21:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, that was me. Guava 22:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks so much, because the majority of the existing photographs are really problematic (some of them are of unknown copyright status, and another one is untrue).  JYolkowski // talk 23:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More info and photos 

message: The population figure for Kitchener is highly inflated.The claim of 500,000 is laughable because it then shows a stats Can source that says 414,000.I know it's common to see inflated or "pumped" up figures for other cities, however they are usally more prominate cities and not some "Dime Bag" backwater town that in reality is more of a suburb of Toronto
:The 500,000 number is clearly listed as the CMA population, which includes Cambridge and Waterloo. This 'pumping up' comes directly from Statistics Canada, as a projection based on the 414,000 of the previous census. As for other descriptions, thank you for keeping your POV to the talk page and off the article. Radagast 01:52, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't there some Wikipedia policy against making discussions personal?  I can understand a discussion of whether Kitchener is 500 000 or not, but it's not a personal issue.  (I haven't checked, but I believe the figure includes all of Waterloo region as a part of the metropolitain area, not just Waterloo and Cambridge.  The Waterloo Region signs near Elmira say 450 000.)  As for Kitchener being "in reality more a suburb of Toronto," I don't think there's any evidence for that.  I grew up in Waterloo region, and I didn't visit Toronto until I was 17.  The city was as foreign to me as Buffalo or Detroit.  This is probably slightly unusual, but every Toronto suburbanite I know identifies him/herself as a Torontonian; I don't know a single person from Kitchener who would do this, and I don't think so many people from Kitchener commute to Toronto for work, etc.  --69.158.17.224 00:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Source http://www.kitchener.ca/pdf/profile(1).pdf - I found the value the unsigned user mentions above.  It's on a local site, specifying population from a 2006 estimate.  The signs on the highway leading in still say 190,000.--WPaulB 15:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:V... "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." Paul Cyr 15:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I am always surprised by people who think that anything relatively near Toronto must be a suburb and their confusion about the fact that it is not.  A suburb is part of the city (the urban part of sub-urban) or obviously attached to nearer suburbs.  As in, there is no vast acreage of undeveloped lands between a suburb and the urban center.  Commuter towns (even if Kitchener was proven to be one) are not necesarily suburbs of the commutee city, and before we could be considered a Toronto suburb, I assume that the cities between Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge and Toronto, like Guelph, would have to be considered a suburb of Toronto first.  Who gets confused about it anyway? --WPaulB 17:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: A few points: first, the census under-reports the figures, as you stated, and is typically short by 1-2%. The 2006 census reports a population of  			  451,235, so 460,000 is a good rough estimate of the lower bound for the population (this is roughyl a 2% increase). Second, Waterloo Region's population estimates are based on the 2001 census, not 2006, and further they over-report population by including transient population groups (particularly students). The reported 2006 year-end population is 506,800, and seems to over-report by about 28,000 (students in the area not living at home), so a good upper bound for the population is 480,000. Yes, this is original research, but the most accurate value will be between 460,000 and 480,000. Mindmatrix 20:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, you are absolutely right, the difference is primarily because of student counts, so it really depends on user needs what number you want to use.  For comparison to other communities, I would always use census counts, but if you are trying to assess the size of the population for services, commercial activity, transportation needs etc. the higher number can be more useful.  Just to add, the Kitchener CMA was 451,235 as you indicated, and the Waterloo Region was 478,121 as of the 2006 Census.  So I would guess that you can go a wee bit higher than 480,000 for year-end 2006 for a census equivalent population estimate.  The Region does do population estimates that are 'census equivalents' but don't publish them on their website.  I don't have these numbers for the Region, just Kitchener, but this does illustrate the difference between the three numbers:  2006 Census Kitchener City - 204,668, Region's 'Census Equivalent' estimate for 2006 Kitchener City - 209,010, Region's estimate for year-end 2006 inc temporary residents Kitchener City - 213,990. The 'Census Equivalent' number is still higher because ultimately, the census does still come in a bit low as you indicated.Kitchener-Researcher (talk) 18:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inflated Population Figure 

message: The Heritage Conservation section seems to have an inordinate focus on criticism of the city's decision to demolish the Forsyth factory. The prose isn't necessarily biased, but it seems that the section is presenting only one side of the argument. I'm not sure whether that merits rewriting, but I thought I'd point it out for consideration by more experienced Wikipedians. Smably 19:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Much of the Forsyth discussion is now moot, as it's been torn down. Next chance I get, I'll try to work this into a decently-sized section. Radagast 03:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the first thing that confused me about it. Is is torn down, or was just one building torn down? I agree that section needs re-writing and should reflect the general heritage of the city. Some citations would be nice too. How do I know this isn't all just made up? Bobanny 09:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV re: Forsyth Factory 

message: If I wanted to add information about construction and use of the recently new rounadabouts in the region, specifically Kitchener, should this go under City Streets, or as a new section of Transport? WPaulB 06:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transport 

message: The table has data for the Kitchener CMA (that is, including Kitchener, Waterloo, Cambridge), not the city itself. I think that's misleading. --74.109.173.23 00:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: I don't want to sort it out/do the research (I haven't lived in Kitchener in 15 years and don't know basic things that a resident could find easily). The article says, currently, that there has been no commitment from UW to the downtown Pharmacology school, and that there was a groundbreaking in March last year. Obviously on (probably the first) needs to be taken out, and that info likely needs to be updated, since it's a year later, and no doubt some progress has been made.Thespian 12:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, it is well underway: . I'll attend to the article. Thanks for the tip! Radagast 21:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: In 1784, the land that Kitchener was built upon was an area given to the Six Nations by the British as a gift for their allegiance during the American Revolution; 
Why does the few words after "American" keep changing?  It's been changed several times recently.  If you put it in, source it, or stop changing it.  The history section was removed from this page because it too closely worded the source (blatantly copied).  Here it is:
In 1784, the land on which the City of Kitchener would be established was part of a large tract of more than 240,000 hectares of land, set aside by the British Crown as a grant to the Six Nations Indians for their loyalty to the Crown during the American War of Independence
The year is 1784.  The American Civil War hasn't yet happened (1861-1865).  According to Wikipedia: "The American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), also known as the American War of Independence."  The second title is considered a British title, the first American.  At this time, this part of Canada was under European control, but the US was our fledgling neighbour.  Choose and source, British term or American term, but let's not be Civil.--WPaulB 03:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: American Whatever Conflict

message: I recently learned that Berlin is partly responsible for the creation of Ontario Hydro. It seems that those industrious Germans wanted access to Niagara-generated electricity in order to modernize Berlin factories.
http://www.hydroone.com/en/about/history/timeline/
http://www.tourniagara.com/history/hydroelectric-power/public-power-ontario-hydro/
Apparently, Berlin was one of the first communities to advocate the creation of a provincial power grid. Maybe someone could investigate this and create a paragraph or two for the front page of this article?  --Neilrieck 21:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kitchener (Berlin) is associated with the creation of Ontario Hydro 

message: The statement: "when the First World War began it became important for the citizens to separate themselves from Canada’s opponents. In 1916, Berlin changed its name to Kitchener" is, honestly, one of the worst examples of history revisionism I have ever encountered in such a frequented article. There isn't even a link to the WP-article about the Berlin to Kitchener name change, which states that of the about 15.000 inhabitants less than one thousand took part in a very controversial name-changing vote in which keeping the originial name wasn't an option.
I noted that the history section has been criticized in July 2007 and yet hasn't improved too much since. Maybe we should re-install the alternate version on this talk page (a few sections above)? Malc82 (talk) 16:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: Can someone who knows the topic rewrite Kitchener and District Soccer League so it matches the quality of the other articles listed in Kitchener, Ontario#Sports teams and leagues?  Thanks.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 13:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite for Kitchener and District Soccer League needed 

message: I removed a fair bit in the city streets section. While - as a resident myself - know this is all true, it's been standing as citation needed for quite a while. On top of that, the list of 5 point intersections has no direct relevance to the main Kitchener article and looks fairly messy where it is. Perhaps it could be expanded into a separate one in the future, with pictures/satellite photos? tyx (talk) 21:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is a Google map link good as a citation? --WPaulB (talk) 16:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  City Streets 

message: Why are we spreading the reach of the Regional Cardiac Care Centre so far?  
I'm not changing it because I'm not sure of the logic.  The original article said that the cardiac unit served as far west as Lake Huron.  The next change put that at Ingersoll, Ontario.  Going south, it says that Kitchener hospitals serve to Lake Erie.
Is there some proof that Woodstock General Hospital doesn't serve between Kitchener and Ingersoll, or that the hospital in Brantford isn't the next closest hospital with cardiac care south of Cambridge?  It's pretty far from Brantford to Lake Erie.  Lake Erie also covers a large east-west area.  There is plenty of eastern sections whose people would probably go to Hamilton.
While it is original research from me, most people in Woodstock where I lived spoke mostly of being referred to London area hospitals.  Downtown London is closer than downtown Kitchener from Woodstock.--WPaulB (talk) 15:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Healthcare 

message: I am raising the article rating to "C" class. I suspect that it is rather close to a "B" rating but I have not done an assessment against the B class criteria.  PKT(alk) 15:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Assessment

message: Could someone update the GO transit status on the page. GO bus service to Kitchener-Waterloo has been announced starting in October of this year:
http://www.gotransit.com/PUBLIC/en/publications/GONews2009/GONEWS171_en.pdf
Fenikkusuzero (talk) 07:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Go Transit 

message: Howdy folks. I added Vacuity under Music, Entertainment and the Arts. Hope this is alright.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.0.172 (talk) 01:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vacuity 

message: How come Kitchener has "only 140 frost free days a year"?  That means 216 days of frost?  Are you kidding?--174.119.145.37 (talk) 14:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: climate

message: It reads "Canadian" as ethnic origin.  Considering that everybody came to Canada from all over the worl, this is quite misleading.  I am sure this does not refer to the Indians. Norum 03:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: Another editor posted this to my Talk page:
I'd like to avoid an edit war, so could you please start a discussion at Talk:Kitchener, Ontario about why it is necessary to have two images of the same statue, in this article about a city.  Thanks.  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:30, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's not start an edit war 

message: The input of others regarding a photo added by User:Peter K Burian would be appreciated.  MOS:IMAGES states "images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative".  This image of text shows nothing of Kitchener--the topic of the article--and the text on the plaque is summarized in the article.  The photo is decorative and should be removed.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of plaque 

message: At least mention how many syllables it has. Jidanni (talk) 00:47, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation