Talk:Guardian angel

message: "Guardian spirit" redirects to this article, but this article barely even mentions protective spirits in cultures outside of Judeo-Christian ones. Is "guardian angel" really the place to put every culture's conceptions of guardian spirits? If anything, wouldn't it be the other way around (although "guardian angel" gets more Google hits than "guardian spirits", obviously). -Silence 02:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Guardian spirit" probably redirects here because there is no article on guardian spirits in general.  Perhaps the redirect should go to "spirit guide."  Your call. MamaGeek (Talk/Contrib) 14:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guardian spirit

message: I put back the guardian angel prayer, including an explanation.  It is a widely-know and oft-used prayer, especially for Christian children.  There is also a Wikilink to it from List of Prayers, so if it is determined by consensus that the prayer should be removed, please redirect that link. MamaGeek (Talk/Contrib) 14:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The guardian angel prayer here looks very suitable. In the future, I hope to add information about Orthodox prayers to guardian angels; in particular, the prayers seek protection from both physical and spiritual harm, and help in avoiding temptations to sin. (And generally, they are usually a brief part of a much longer prayer that is chiefly addressed to God, but may include short parts addressed to Mary, one's guardian angel, or other saints.) I don't know enough to know if these are distinctive features or common to all Christians. Wesley 16:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is the prayer you're talking about in the List of prayers?  Does it have its own article?  If not, you may want to consider adding it.  It sounds pretty complex, maybe too much so for this article.  It may be better to put it on its own page (the full prayer, not just the angel part), and link to it from here.  Just an idea. MamaGeek (Talk/Contrib) 16:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Do you have a citation for the assertion that Orthodox Christian angelology is from Islam? Pseudo-Dionysus wrote before this era. CRCulver 00:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guardian angel prayer 

message: The text says the following:
"The belief that God sends a spirit to watch every individual was common in Ancient Greek philosophy, and Plato alludes to it in Phaedo". The greeks were polytheists, which god does the text refer to? Furthermore should a reference be added here. -ramz- 19:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Or hell, maybe Christianity got it from Job, as mentioned in the article because it sure sounds like it if you read the verses. 69.254.76.77 (talk) 02:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading over Yasht 13, I wouldn't exactly call the Fravashi "guardian angels". The seem to do more like minister to the workings of the entire world. It said something about if it wasn't for them, the evil gods would keep the heavenly bodies from preforming their usual functions. Yasht 13 has the most material on them and is their "primary source" but the liner notes from Avesta.org mention a reference to Buddhism in the Yasht so people didn't really start talking about them in the "guardian angel" sense until Buddhism made its way into Iran. The idea already existed in pre-exilic texts, so the Jews didn't need anyone's ideas to get all the way there. What ever happened to thinking people can come up with ideas on their own? Some type of protecting higher force, in my opinion, is far too universal for everyone to have needed to borrow from from each other. Also, as far as I can find about Plato's angels, they seem to only guide the spirits to the underworld. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.76.77 (talk) 21:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison to greek philosophy

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message: No problem, of course, but aren't angels, by the nature of their being angelos, not hidden and therefore not occult?  Like I said, it's all fine with me, but it does seem...odd.  Geogre 12:23, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Angels are a central part of the Western occult tradition, particularly in the Kabbalah and systems of ceremonial magic based upon it. Guardian angels are also a significant part of occultism/magick based directly on Judeo-Christian practice. Another example would be Enochian, which is specifically considered a form of the angelic language. Hope that helps clarify. Cheers! Vassyana 22:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occult? 

message: This article should be named Guardian angel. This is clearly the primary meaning (even the generic Guardian angel page redirects here). So, per WP:DAB, this article's name should be without the disambiguation (spirit) . -- P199 (talk) 14:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
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message: The view that the "prince of the Persian Kingdom" was referring to one of the fallen angels... may not be quite as clear cut as presented. The note to Daniel 10:13 in the NAB follows Jerome in stating that this was the guardian angel of Persia, just as Michael protects Israel (Dan.10:21); while Clarke suggests that it was Cyrus himself, who resisted the angel's promptings.
This statement also seems to contradict the last sentence in the Old Testament section which identifies the prince of the Persians as one of the angels assigned to particular districts.Mannanan51 (talk) 02:45, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

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