Talk:Tribalism

message: The words "tribe" and "tribalism" are not in common use by anthropologists/sociologists.  At the very least, they're not well-defined.  See this, from the University of Pennsylvania: http://www.africa.upenn.edu/K-12/Tribe.html
Perhaps the article need not exist. Tropical Violet (talk) 04:06, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible deletion 

message: I think there were interesting elements that should be merged in from a large passage of the article that was removed. --Nectarflowed (talk) 17:12, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored the old elements, reworked them, and added a lot of new material, as well. Jason Godesky 15:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the excellent reworking :)--Nectarflowed T 02:12, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Well, in a normal evolutionary context, tribes typically don't see a lot of each other.  The problems arise when they start having contact with one another, and undulating patterns of first scarcity (motivating conflict), followed by abundance (allowing conflict).  See "The Origins of War," by Donald Kagan.  It's still tribalism (us vs. them) that helps motivate it, but you don't get war just from tribalism.  In other words, in our original, forager context, tribalism worked out fine; in our modern context, the very same thing gives us genocide, ethnic cleansing, racism, you name it. Jason Godesky 15:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rework 

message: The phrase "This usage of the term is unfortunate" seems to eliminate any neutrality from the POV of this article.
:Right - POV removed, along with dispute tag, hoping there are no more objections? PAR 23:23, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Neutral POV 

message: There's some debate over the origins of the term "Eskimo," but basically, the Eskimo are the Inuit.  It is a name for the Inuit and other, related circumpolar cultures.  One of the theories of where this term might have come from, noted in the article, is the Ojibwe term for "eaters of raw meat."  This was incorrectly "corrected" to say, "...but they were known to the Inuit by a name translating roughly as 'eaters of raw meat.'"  This is incorrect, and with insufficient space for the full rationale in the edit summary, I've put it here. Jason Godesky 20:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eskimo "correction" 

message: The article contends that Homo sapiens may have wiped out Homo neanderthalensis in Europe.  This was once believed, but has been quite firmly refuted.  We have no evidence for human violence prior to the Neolithic. Jason Godesky 18:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neanderthal genocide 

message: Could this be at all related to the increase in things like subcultures (ie. Emo, Goth, "Vampyres" etc.)? It seems people enjoy categorizing themselves soas to fit into a group and especially among teenagers a subculture. Just a thought.
:You may be looking for Neo-Tribalism instead. Mjk2357 01:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I think that would more properly be tribalism. Jason Godesky 14:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subcultures? 

message: Would it be acceptable to add to this section sectarianism in Iraq between Sunnis, Shias and Kurds; and also in Northern Ireland between Roman Catholics and Protestants? In Northern Ireland, for example, the Alliance Party often use the term "Tribal Politics" by way of criticising more hard line political groupings, ie Sinn Fein and the DUP.
Paddyman1989 09:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples of modern day tribalism 

message: There is not a single reference on this entire page and the only warning you place is that it may not be neutral?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.32.249.24 (talk) 07:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, this is one of the most egregious examples I've seen. I couldn't quite tag it with Unreferenced, so I added Refimprove. Hopefully some intrepid researcher will improve what currently reads like a (bad) freshman paper. -- Kyle Maxwell (talk) 01:55, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a joke? 

message: I've always been intrigued by tribal culture. When I looked up Tribalism on Wikipedia, I was disappointed to see that the bulk of human history has been reduced to a few underdeveloped paragraphs with no citations or sources.
I'm no expert, but I'll do my best to focus my attention to this entry during my free time. At the very least, we need to work together and get this entry into working order.  Since I'm new to editing anything on Wikipedia, I wanted to bring it to the attention of professionals who can really develop this topic. Philanderson112914:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The way WP works is basically that the only way to get something done is to do it yourself. If you think the article needs more content then add some yourself, if it needs references that find some, if you think unreferenced material is incorrect the remove it and, if you can, add correct and referenced material.  Good luck!  Martin Hogbin (talk) 22:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Or you could post a message at WP:WikiProject Anthropology to see if there is anyone who can help you. There should be people around with access to good university texts that deal with this topic. Itsmejudith (talk) 16:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tribalism--the whole entry needs a rewrite/research.   

message: I don't think the article suffers from a lack of neutrality so much as a lack of perspective. I just changed a sentence at Lao Issara from the Western-oriented phrase "peasant-dominated" to "tribalism|tribal-oriented" wikilinked to this article. It is the best we have at present to explain such an orientation. For a broader perspective focused  on how tribal groups interact in the rugged terrain of southern China and south and southeast Asia, see Zomia (geography). For how non-tribal power centers work, see Mandala (Southeast Asian history). Take time to read footnote 1, how maps made the world. Before that, something like the Mandala System prevailed in all civilized (i.e., city-fied) countries.  Keep in mind that dynastic interests, while not exactly the same thing, nevertheless closely parallel tribal interests. The point made in Zomia geography is that a great many people prefer being beyond the reach of Mandalic or dynastic power, or to seek areas where these overlap, where they form themselves into actual or simulated tribal groups (like gangs and organized crime.) The related article on Zomia may not be a good one, and is laced with POVs, but it gives a good example of a tribal group inventing and preserving itself. --Pawyilee (talk) 10:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perspective 

message: I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
::This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:
::#There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved
::#It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given
::#In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing POV tag with no active discussion per [[Template:POV]] 

message: Tribes, as families, are well-known institutions on Anthropology and this article forgets why this happens (natural effects, positive finality, shared social values, social identity, non-virtual or real bonds) and it is only focused on "radical and fundamental tribalism" and sociocentrism, completely missing its real meaning. Sadly I have no time to fix this right now. Hoping somebody is able to. Thank you. 185.29.166.250 (talk) 16:06, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

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