Talk:The Day of Black Sun/Archive 1

message: Part 1 of the Day of Black Sun movie, The Invasion, has aired in the Netherlands, according to what I've read on Avatar Spirit. While I can't confirm it, I think it deserves some looking into. If so, then information from the first half of the movie can be posted. 68.175.106.168 (talk) 19:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is indeed true. The Dutch dubbed version of Avatar has been aired on the Dutch Nickelodeon on Friday the 23rd of November at about 17.25. 84.25.243.111 (talk) 13:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The Dutch dubbed version of 'The Eclipse' has already been aired in the Netherlands on Monday the 26th of November at 17.20. 195.169.203.46 (talk) 16:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aired in The Netherlands 

message: Should we post any information from the 1 and a half minute preview Nick put on Turbonick? I mean, unlike the leaked episode (which I did not watch), this one wasn't obtained illegally. 68.175.106.168 22:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That we sure could.  I don't know what the preview contains, though, so I can't do it myself.  Just make sure you cite it - with a valid citation, it would be vandalism for me or anyone else to remove it.  春Harukaze風 15:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh crap, I'm sorry, wasn't thinking when I posted that.  I should stop wikiing in the early morning.  If I have time, I'll give it a glance when I get home, otherwise someone else can tackle it.  春Harukaze風 20:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Apparantly not. Well, dude, don't be worried, it's just like 6 more days till friday, and they'll air it, so everyone who did watch the episode (those who were too excited to worry about legal issues) and the rest of the avatar watching world will calm down.Pejmany (talk) 00:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Turbonick Preview 

message: wasnt it stated that this page isnt supposed to exist yet?  i am prolly wrong but yeah.--70.191.250.249 22:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  uh... 

message: No evidence has been shown for the titling of either half of the special being aired as "Day of the Black Sun", even that title is contested with the "the" sometimes appearing and sometimes not ("Day of Black Sun"). Previous Avatar episodes have either added a "Part 1" and "Part 2" along with individual titles(The Spirit World (Winter Solstice, Part 1), Avatar Roku (Winter Solstice, Part 2)), have had no modifiers (The Siege of the North, Parts 1 and 2) or have had no "Part" at all (The Guru, The Crossroads of Destiny). Currently we need a consensus for the naming of these two articles. I have several suggestions below:
*The Invasion (Day of Black Sun Part 1)
*The Invasion (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
*Day of Black Sun Part 1
Please comment below. ShadowUltra 03:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: TV guide has 11/30 for the US airdate, but where is the info for the UK airdate coming from?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.80.131.5 (talk) 22:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw the 30th listed on the Nickelodeon website, but I didn't make note of the specific URL.  春Harukaze風 18:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airdate? 

message: I think this is good. I think it should be on move-protected permanent though. --Lucky135g 01:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not moved. 

message: I've watched the episode several times. We should display it. I mean it wouldn't hurt nobody.
WarrenTrenton
;Read above and you will see why we can't edit it. Joeking16 18:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot displayal 

message: This things plot was leaked? Is that why there are videos of it on Youtube? Username: FiercedeitylinkX  —Preceding unsigned comment added by FiercedeitylinkX (talk • contribs) 00:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, so hacking Viacom's server isn't illegal? I think "this is some bullshit" that you would want to post the plot on here and ruin it for people who actually follow the law. The judge and jury is the law and you not seeing it is more amazing than how bad the grammar was in your comment. -Dylan0513 02:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um from what I know, most of the Avatar airings have the "Nicktoons" stamp on them. Meaning they're not hacks, they're people who watched the show, then decided to share it. Which btw mainly came as a result of Youtube BLOCKING every episode from 7 on.  You also forgot the main reason Wikipedia exists, even though it says anything that violates copyright will be deleted, it's not as a "copyright site," it's a "free encyclopedia."  Post the episode plot, either summed up in such a way that only the main information is told, or accept the fact that if you look hard enough you can find it anyway, so spoilers shouldn't be kept a secret from those trying to learn about what happens.  Bulmabriefs144 12:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Nick isn't suing anyone because they're trying to be mature about it. If word came around that Nick has been going door to door saying "We want money blah blah blah" or anything along those lines, the reputation of being a "kids' channel" will go kaboom faster than a bomb on a centimeter-long fuse. The episode was supposed to be released later on Nick, but someone hacked into the server and got the episode. Nevertheless, getting episodes or distributable versions of anything that isn't supposed to be free is illegal. You can't hack into your TV and keep the file of the episode of any show you watch, can you? They show it once, and re run it a few times for those who may have missed the episode. For the redistributable version that you can actually keep and view it whenever you wish, you need to PAY FOR IT. Therefore, the person who got the episode for free by hacking and redistributed it to everyone else is in big trouble, and since the episode was first made public by an illegal act, you're the "bullshit" here. Espilceranul 05:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I though (in the USA) you could down;oad full episodes from turbonick for free. 
Joeking16 09:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did someone stuff bad information in your head or something? TurboNick is for people to have a sneak peek of the episodes, not to download them. The person who "downloaded", as you say, the episode actually hacked into the server and took the episode. It was obtained legally. TN, as I said, is for previews of episodes, NOT for downloading them for free, geddit? Espilceranul 12:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean I thought they they released it early by accident and someone download they have before and about them not letting you download full episodes as I think you worked out by reading my posts on this page I am not American and as such can't use the American Turbonick site so all I have to go on is the wikipedia TurboNick which says you can download full episodes. Joeking16 (talk) 23:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it DOESN'T say that you can download full episodes. And judging from the history since August, it never did. I don't understand the first part of your argument though. Espilceranul (talk) 01:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So the why did Nick upload the episode in the first palce? Anyway about the Tubrnick thing I meant Itunes sorry, as I said I am not from America so I can't use eithr so I got mixed up between them. However I think you will find underlining is just as effecive as emphasising word then shouting and alot less rude. 86.137.237.167 (talk) 17:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above post was from me I was posting on IE and I don't log in on it. Joeking16 (talk) 19:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Fine, I'm sorry that I shouted. But although iTunes can download podcasts, I doubt that it can download episodes for free. Episodes, no matter what series or movie, will always cost money. That person didn't pay a penny for it. Nick uploaded it by _accident_. It was never meant to be made public, so there's what happened. Case closed. Espilceranul (talk) 01:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mean it was downloaded for free from Itunes I mean it was paid for and downloaded from Itunes, and the case isn't closing until there is a source. Joeking16 (talk) 10:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if I sound uncivil with this, but _do you read_? We've already made it clear that the person hacked into Nick to get the episodes. That was the source, it's confirmed, now case closed. iTunes had _nothing_ do to with it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Espilceranul (talk • contribs) 14:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I it has been said but there has yet to be given any proof, which is what I have been asking for.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.237.167 (talk) 22:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

text: It still doens't mean it is from nickelodeon's site, and it obviously won't be on itune now if it was it would of been taken down just like it normally does if it gets put up early. Joeking16 (talk) 08:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

text: My toughts exacly, but they're right. The only way we can use it his if the copyright owner admits the episode as been released, by airing it they automaticly do that, but in this case they have to issue a press release or something. Get it, we can get wikipedia sued for violating copy right--Tosta mista (talk) 11:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, 71.213.216.14, that isn't even true.  It isn't just illegit, it could very well be wrong, too.  It's fairly common for episodes to change, even in potentially significant ways, in post production.  Any one of the creators could have looked at a scene after that version was produced and said, "Hey, you know, I think it could have been done differently," or, "Hey, you know, maybe we shouldn't make that revelation just yet.  Let's wait two more episodes, and spring it then... we'll replace the scene here with something else."  That sort of thing is not unheard of.  So for any of a hundred reasons, we're not posting DoBS information.  春・Harukaze・風 15:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The ep seems pretty finished but i get you're point, but that's exacly why nick would never confirm the ep existance, so they can change what seems fit, get it?--Tosta mista (talk) 19:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaked plot 

message: Now, here's a source we can actually use: a press release from the Viacom website confirming the American airdate and revealing other details, such as the Boulder's return and that Mick Foley and Serena Williams provided guest voices. --Herald Alberich 20:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New press release 

message: Someone tried to put up an airdate of 16 November in Canada, but it was reverted because there is no field for a Canada airdate.  First question: did it air in Canada - can anyone source this?  Second, why would it air only in Canada?  I'm not inclined to believe it, myself.  But third, if it did air, and someone can source this, should we then add a line to the template to allow for Canadian airdates when they differ in a notable way from the US/UK airdates?  春・Harukaze・風 20:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No it did not. I got that rumor two, the canadian airdate was wensday(Spelling) last week, it's not true.--Tosta mista (talk) 11:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'll be keeping my eyes open on Friday to see if Canada does air then.  If it does, then maybe we should add to the template.  春・Harukaze・風 15:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actualy this friday it airs in the UK.--Tosta mista (talk) 19:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We'll see, I guess, won't we?  It'd be nice if it did - I'm real tired of reverting changes :(  Last I saw there was a cited source from Nick that said both the UK and the US were getting the episode on the 30th.  The UK doesn't have a holiday this week, so there seems to be no reason for a Spongebob marathon, but supposedly there's going to be some new movie or some such, so who knows?  I'm going to hope for Friday though.  春・Harukaze・風 21:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

text: They had the same airdate as  the US but the US post powned their airdate for gaypants (pardon the language), so now the UK as it's airdate first. ps i saw the ep so i don't care--Tosta mista (talk) 19:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I was just on nick's UK site and I looked through what is going to be on friday the 30 and didn't see any avatar at all. I'm in the US so my info is limited (aka can't use Turbo Nick).Smileyface 12 91 (talk) 13:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aired in Canada? 

message: Uh, is 312 out yet?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.210.90 (talk) 03:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that episode 310 isn't out yet, no, 312 is not out.  春・Harukaze・風 21:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry for asking this here but i can't stand forums, nobody tell's the truth: Does anybody know when 312 is supose to air?--213.22.250.10 11:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  312 

message: here is the source: http://www.tv.com/avatar-the-last-airbender/the-western-air-temple/episode/1110125/summary.html?tag=ep_list;ep_title;11
From TV.com now somebody can put it in.--ThanosMadTitan23 (talk) 04:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: tv.com have been wrong before and they usually get their information from here. So until its been confirmed by a proper source, its best to leave it off.Wild ste (talk) 14:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  It appears that TV.com is at least partially fed by users, not the media companies themselves.  春・Harukaze・風 15:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't know about you, but i don't think that there is a fourth book out yet, especially if we're arguing about a "chapter" in the Third book. Now, even though it "might" have been mentioned in this "chapter" we're discussing, can't put anything.  Pejmany (talk) 00:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Air Temple 

message: Is it ok if I, or someone else changes the production code since DOBS is two parts and the first part is 310 and the second part is 311. Oh and I posted this over in the episode discussion but both parts are part of chapter 10. Theres info over there that explains why. Rosario lopez (talk) 05:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  310/311 

message: on forums, its stated that the epsiode already aired in some places, if thats true, wouildnt it being online be legal up to copy rights?--Cody6 (talk) 16:56, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. Arogi Ho (talk) 18:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Has it aired anywhere?--Cody6 (talk) 19:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It hasn't been aired, ANYWHERE!!
See, the guy hacked NICK, and got the episode, then posted it on youtube/veoh, then other people copied it, then it got posted a couple of more times. I watched it, but, we just need to wait until Nov. 30th until we can post anything.Pejmany (talk) 00:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, It aired in Netherland, although it was dubbed there, but only the first episode aired. So the question is, if it aired in a foriegn language, do we inlclude its content? The Placebo Effect (talk) 00:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. As long as it really did air. Don't know if you need to cite a source for it.Arogi Ho (talk) 01:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're only supposed to put it in the same language Wikipedia that it aired in, but I don't know for sure. Bagpipeturtle (talk) 02:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope aslong as it has aired it doesn't matter about the launguage otherwise a great nunmber of the anime topics would be deleted as they haven't yet/ever been aired offically in English.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeking16 (talk • contribs) 12:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wait 

message: Sure, you technically need citaton, but shouldn't it at least say that it's confrmed? Also, shouldn't there be a link to the leak? 71.191.204.98 (talk) 02:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's copyrighted, and illegal to have/see at this point. No, it cannot be linked to.75.62.233.167 (talk) 09:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Say it in the talk page of List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes instead this is for The Day of Black Sun and only The Day of Black Sun not for the number of epiodes in the season. Joeking16 (talk) 21:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The thing about citation being needed. 

message: The episode has legally aired in several countries, according to the infobox in the article it aired in the UK yesterday. Is the only reason there's no summary because no one wants to make one? If so, I'll add one tonight, but I want to make sure I'm not about to waste my time. ShadowUltra (talk) 22:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there still no summary? 

message: atleast in the US, on cox, it's one epsiode, showed as "Avatar: Day of black sun".
the info box i get when i click info seems ot show it's a movie in the sence that it shows a starring, date the movie was made, Program type: Movie/Action-Adventure.
shoudl we make chnages because it's 2 days from the air date and i doubt it'll change now.--Cody6 (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode format