Talk:World Youth Day 2008

message: I was contacted today by the Communications Manager from the official World Youth Day office and they asked me to remove the logo because its presence on Wikipedia contravenes their rules.  --THorsman88 2:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo Image

message: cleanup of weblinks needed, they are way too many and way too boring;-) --77.179.94.122 16:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Needs to be done again.  Regards, Ben Aveling 04:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  weblinks 

message: Why is this article removed? There's no article on the link it is linking to..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calibwam (talk • contribs) 19:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was copied and pasted from a copyrighted website. If you want to try recreating a new article follow the redlink and start from scratch 121.216.21.206 00:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The page linked to in the copyright notice is no longer available --bacco007 08:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed? 

message: Does anyone think that a lot of this information could and should be reproduced on or transferred to the World Youth Day wiki page? This is effectively the "parent" article, yet contains no section on criticism. IMHO there should be a single article on "World Youth Day" and "World Youth Day 2008" should be a sub-section of this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.9.151.30 (talk) 04:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Youth Day vs. World Youth Day 2008? 

message: I've removed the following uncited text as being OR.  Whatever one's opinion of the regulations, they don't seem to violate anyone's ability to hold a religious position, much as they do impose on the ability to express that belief.  
:These laws may directly violate the rules dictated by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, 18.2 which says;
:"...bars coercion that would impair the right to have or adopt a religion or belief, including the use of threat of physical force or penal sanctions to compel believers or non-believers to adhere to their religious beliefs and congregations, to recant their religion or belief or to convert."CCPR/C/21/Rev.1/Add.4, General Comment No. 22., 1993
Regards, Ben Aveling 11:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently we say: "Some have started to suggest [it violates UNHCR rule] 18.2".  There are two citations given.  Neither suggests that this regulation violates that rule.  I put it on you to find a citation that suggests that it violates that particular human right.  Otherwise, someone will remove the text, and probably sooner rather than later.  It can be added back in later if you find evidence to back the claim.  Regards, Ben Aveling 09:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed text 

message: Have the references been lost? They don't appear anywhere on the listing for the page or the page itself. If you click on the reference numbers, you don't go anywhere. I tried this again in IE in case it was a browser problem, but there are no references for this page anymore. The external links are missing as well. I'm new to interpreting the page history, but it didn't look like they'd been removed. How do I bring them back? Iwoolf (talk) 02:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They're there. At least for me.  Some of them badly need work, but they're there.  I guess you've tried a refresh.  Is anyone else having problems?  Regards, Ben Aveling 10:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References missing 

message: Someone has gone through and defaced the World Youth Day 2008 page with "waste of money" inserted all throughout the page.
Senhwei (talk) 13:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page has been defaced 

message: Had a bit of a cleanup on the page and tried to standardise a lot of the links. 
Also, I've added a link to a transcript of the Lateline Show where Broken Rites were on, but can't find any reference to a conversation regarding the NSW police visiting and asking what T-shirts they'd be wearing. May need removing if it can't be validated?
Mapryan (talk) 13:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Anonymous users should at least discuss problems or disputes here.
"Regulations" are wrong, they are passed laws by the New South Wales Parliament. "Regulations" are directions by Government on events or guide to actions. You cannot be taken to court for breaking "regulations", except by some regulatory authority. The law of "annoying" during WYD 2008 is a criminal act, and you can be arrested or fined for breaking them. Hence the debate.
As for "anti-Catholic" bias, and I have added nothing without referencing the source. Other authors may have done so.
I think the attempts to change the general text it to water down the implications of this unprecedented laws - bordering on vandalism. 
If you can show why this view is wrong, it is better to say so here to resolve this dispute.Arianewiki1  21:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC
It's clear that you have limited knowledge of how the New South Wales legal system operates. That's okay, but don't go around calling good faith edits of mine vandalism. Please research the subject a bit more and don't just completely ignore the corrections outlined in the edit summaries. The main changes i'll outline as follows:
Title of section:
1) The part "for WYD 2008 in Australia" is redundant per the Manual of Style. The article is about WYD 2008 in Australia so that is assumed. This is also true for the change made to the "Expected Attendence title"
2) The legal instruments in question are called "regulations". You don't refer to "Amendment laws". The Amendment act amends the regulations. The clauses are still regulations. The amending act is essentially irrelevant. You cite and refer directly to the act/regulation/rule/by-law etc and this is always assumed to be the consolidated version with all amendments included. See the final consolidated regulations here: 
On the spot fine:
The maximum penalty is indeed $5,500. This the the maximum amount that can be imposed in a court. Schedule 1 of the Regulations provides for the value of the on the spot fine (called penalty notices). This is $300. See 
Inclusion of a sentence on the annoyance provision:
This is the most contentious of the provisions in the regulation and a section on them would be incomplete without explaining them. Especially as the annoyance provisions are then copied verbaitm in the next section.
'Ratification' by Parliament and the Government Gazzette Paragraph
1) Parliament does not ratify regulations. They instruments that are made by the executive government within the authority given to it by a particular Act. 
2) All regulations are Gazzetted. You don't refer to a Regulation, Rule or By-Law within the Gazzette. You always just refer to it directly. The Gazzette is irrelevant.
3) Manual of Style dictates that "The Hon" and "MP" are not included within the body of text.
Other changes further up the article are copyedit changes to 1) conform with Wikipedia's Manual of Style, 2) Remove irrelevant material already mentioned, and 3) Be of a more encyclopedic tone. Jmount (talk) 01:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot for your comments. I'm not an expert of the Australian legislative system, therefore they are very helpful. What do you think about the current structure of the controversies section? Is it ok that way? --Saint-Louis (talk) 10:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NEW AMENDMENTS versus REGULATIONS

message: The BBC is reporting this morning that the Law has been struck down 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7506716.stm
Mapryan (talk) 6:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sydney overturns Pope protest law

message: I think the notopope coalition link in the links section is borderline spam.  They are not part of the world youth day in any inclusive manner, merely opposed to it.  The inclusion of the link is tantamount to a link to the Liberal Party website on the bottom of the Australian Government article or the ALP website, and with my belief that the article overall places far too much weight on objection and criticism to the day I think this is just icing.  If nobody has anything to offer I'll remove the link in a couple of days. •Elomis• 06:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. Since the Coalition has its own article I made a wikilink to the article and removed the weblink. --Saint-Louis (talk) 09:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NoToPope link 

message: I have recently been updating the WYD article to change a lot of the sentences to past tense as well as adding some additional sourced information. One of the changes was to alter some of the subheadings below "Controversies surrounding World Youth Day." My aim was not to reduce the available information but to structure the article better, and I can understand TheSeer may have thought I removed all the info in the old subheading. I'm sorry for not consulting earlier.
I move some of the content from "Australian Responses" into the "protests" heading and renamed it as "Transport." I am happy to discuss the content but I think the newer structure improves the article. Feel free to discuss it and edit it but don't just revert the all the changes. Additionally I have kept the reference to the alleged death threat but I see no reason to include the name of the T-Shirt shop. Including the name adds little to the article and instead provides advertising for the store. I am going to return it to the structure I made. Mr john luke (talk) 06:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your changes in the structure were appropriate. --Saint-Louis (talk) 13:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Edits and changes to subheadings 

message: The information that "Anthony and Christine Foster's daughter Emma committed suicide at aged 26, after abuse by a Melbourne priest at a primary school. Her abused sister Katie, became alcoholic in her teens and was brain-damaged after a car accident while drunk." is noteworthy but not fully relevant to the article.The article should deal with World Youth Day including controversies, but not in detail with particular cases. The cases had already been summarised in the paragraphs above. Mr john luke (talk) 12:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this should be removed and instead put on a separate Wiki page, as it actually has nothing to do with WYD itself. It’s a controversy around the Bishop, not around the event. I agree that having it here takes away the neutral point of view on the page, it is making it more negative than necessary. Mary.elias523 (talk) 01:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral Point of View 

message: Should there be mention in the article about the controversy between the current flag of Vietnam and the flag of the former South Vietnam? (see Flag of the Republic of Vietnam#Political significance) The Chronic 19:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Imho not. This is just a minor thing for the World Youth Day. --Saint-Louis (talk) 18:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag controversy 

message: Would someone be able to update this page with some final information relating to the finances? The funding section at the moment is still full of speculation and a lack of hard figures. Suerly there must be something more tangible out there now? 
Mapryan (talk) 8:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funding 

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