Talk:Young Ireland

message: As requested by Erin Go Bragh, my reason for putting the POV tag on the page is that the article seems to set out to argue a positive case for the group. Some examples:
1. Talk of (apparently) rejecting physical force is not just mentioned, it is stressed. I have removed some of this stress (see the edit history), but I still think it is there. 
2. We also have weaselly words such as:
*"an experienced young Catholic journalist"
*"a prolific writer of poetry and prose"
*"unprecedented death and destruction" (although I have now removed this)
*vauge statements like "British repression" and "first used [to belittle the group] by the English press"
3. The article is totally unreferenced, and this particular POV is apparently supported by such unreferenced statements.
4. The article was written from a personal perspective, and this comes through in a paragraph I removed where it is stated that:
*"The time was probably not ripe for rebellion"
*"For a detailed account of the 1848 uprising Michael Doheny’s “The Felon’s Track” is one of the most authentic."
This was a personal analysis and probably the worst kind of original research that I have come across on Wikipedia.
The worst part, however, was the following that I removed:
"which saw both corrupt Governments and Monarchy’s toppled and felled, with the cry of Liberty, Fraternity and Equality."
The words are weaselly, the interpretation is a personal one as far as I can see (it's certianly not referenced), and it has POV written all over it.
I have removed much obvious POV, but I cannot remove it all since there would be little article left, and it would destroy the rest of the structure. Rather, it needs reworking. Major reworking. Logoistic 16:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I advise you to remove all POV. You are entitled to remove any unreferenced material also. In cases like this it may be best to reduce the article to a stub and start from there. It is better to have a small sound article, than a long unsound one. Tyrenius 20:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for POV tag 

message: There is a great deal more information for this article to be done. Some of the Heads would be the Charitable Bequests Act, The Maynooth Grant, The Colleges Bill, The Peace Resolutions. Existing Heads will be expanded over time.  --Domer48 22:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Sections/Heads  

message: This article needs a serious overhaul; it reads very little like a work of modern history, but rather a eulogy for the movement.  The fact that the sources cited date from between 1880 and 1951, and ignore half a century of significant historical writing on this period, smacks of an attempt to return Irish history to the ahistorical and hagiographical shadows of national memory and martyrdom from which it was dragged several decades ago.
Cripipper 13:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article needs editing to reflect an encyclopedic tone and contemporary historiography. It is striking that the sources are so old, when I'm sure historians have continued to study this period and movement.  Have done some editing for tone, but it needs much more.--Parkwells (talk) 04:53, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Welcome to the 21st century

message: Help needed to put in alphabetical order by author's surname.  Did some editing of format, but more is needed.  The list is really too lengthy, but I'm not familiar with the histories.  Deleted a novel.  More should come off the list.--Parkwells (talk) 05:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional Reading

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