Talk:Coverture

message: Can someone add the culinary definition of coverture as well?  I don't see any link to it from the page, or mention of alternate definitions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.45.230 (talk) 23:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If it has nothing to do with the legal meaning, then it isn't too relevant to this article.  If there's discussion in another article, we can set up a disambiguation link. AnonMoos (talk) 18:48, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Gastronomic term at Couverture chocolate, modern French term at Couverture maladie universelle... -- AnonMoos (talk) 10:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I added a hatnote to this article and added an article to the disambiguation page. I don't know why I didn't soon after the last post above; probably I didn't have time. Nick Levinson (talk) 02:36, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: That bit about "The law is an ass" seems irrelevant, but more importantly seems to be wrong; according to phrases.org.uk the phrase is a couple of centuries older than that, and originally applied to something entirely different.
North5 (talk) 16:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That link says "However, it was Dickens who brought the phrase to the general public." (i.e. greatly popularized it), and the Dickens passage is about "the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction" (i.e. one of the semi-corollaries of coverture).  "Originated" could be changed to "was popularized" (though your link admits that a number of reference works attribute the line to Dickens).  In short, this doesn't really seem to change much.  AnonMoos (talk) 23:18, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The law is a what? 

message: The phrase @independent of her couverture@ or @ of any converture....@ seems to occur is some wills that I have studied, where a father is mentioning his daughter in his will; this would tend to suggest another way around the restrictions discussed in this article; RH Simons (talk) 10:28, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure why you replaced quote marks with at-signs in your remarks above, but there were various ways to dedicate property to the benefit of a woman so that her husband couldn't directly touch it.  Here's a quote from Little Dorrit by Charles Dickens about dedicating property for exclusive benefit of a woman who wasn't even married: AnonMoos (talk) 04:41, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couverture in people's wills 

message: I have often wondered: why was England to only nation in Europe, were unmarried women were not under coverture? As far as I know (and I have done research), there was not a single nation in Christian Europe, prior to the law reforms initiated during the late 19th-century, in which unmarried women were not considered to be just as much legal minors as married women -the only difference being that unmarried women were under the coverture of their closest male relative rather than a husband. In France, in Germany, In Sweden, Norway and Denmark - I do not know a single European nation were the phenomena of "feme sole" existed in the 18th-century, except for England. Why was England such an exception from this? Was England truly the only European nation were the "feme sole" existed, or was there in fact any other country were adult unmarried women were of legal majority prior to the reforms of the late 19th-century? Thank you--Aciram (talk) 22:40, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't know any details of Continental law in this area, but it may have to do with England developing its own "Common law" tradition, as opposed to the "Roman"/"civil"/"code" law generally adopted in Continental Europe... P.S.  England also early rejected the Salic Law for its kingdom, unlike many continental monarchies (though male-only succession or inheritance did apply in England in a number of cases below the royal level). AnonMoos (talk) 09:38, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was feme sole unique for England in Europe? 

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message: What is not made clear in the article is that the husband is not totally free to do as he wishes. Certainly with anything to do with joint or other property the wife would have too give assent and would be interviewed in the court by herself to confirm that she was not under duress Chevin (talk) -- 19:41, 7 May 2022
:Sometimes, but "Privy examination" seems to have been an American refinement.  Among the land-holding classes in England, the husband was mainly restrained by "settlement" documents drawn up before marriage, whose main purpose was to ensure that landed property she brought into the marriage would be inherited by her descendents... AnonMoos (talk) 23:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That was not a "Privy examination", since it took place in open court.  I'm sure that the relevant judges were using a practical expedient to try to head off some of the saddest cases or worst injustices, but by its nature it could not be the same as actually allowing a married woman to legally control the property she owns...  AnonMoos (talk) 12:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Husbands latitude

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" After the rise of the women's rights movementin the mid-19th century, coverture was increasingly criticised as oppressive, hindering women from exercising ordinary property rights and entering professions. Coverture was first substantially modified by late-19th-century Married Women's Property Acts passed in various common-law jurisdictions, and was weakened and eventually eliminated by later reforms. Certain aspects of coverture (mainly concerned with preventing a wife from unilaterally incurring major financial obligations for which her husband would be liable) survived as late as the 1960s in some states of the United States." Mspandana (talk) 05:35, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead section at the top of a Wikipedia article is not supposed to be heavy with footnotes.  Is there anything prominent there which is not cited down in the body of the article? AnonMoos (talk) 11:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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