Talk:Yery

message: I'm not a native speaker, but would it be helpful to say that pronunciation is similar to German Ü? Or would this be misleading? Demonic Duck (talk) 11:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. You probably confused Ы (which is unrounded) with Ю (which is rounded, like U and Ü). Ы and Ü are both close vowels, but it is their only common property. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:45, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ü? 

message: I don't understand how it can be disputed whether Ы and И distinction is phonemic, given that there are indisputable minimal pairs. A textbook example is быть (to be) vs. бить (to beat, to hit, to pound), and there is not a slightest chance that a native Russian speaker would mispronounce one for the other, or mishear one for the other if pronounced by another native Russian speaker. Actually, as a second language Russian speaker and native Polish speaker, I can boldly attest that I would never mishear one for the other either. These vowels are very different, much more so than their Polish counterparts y and i that happen to occur in the parallel minimal pair być vs. bić. Rulatir (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The initial consonants of these words are different: /b/ and /bʲ/ respectively. These consonants are undisputably separate phonemes, since there are minimal pairs such as бака/бяка. Burzuchius (talk) 16:16, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ы/И minimal pairs 

message: In Slavic languages (Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Bulgarian, Serbian) Cyrillic letters are used. The Cyrillic alphabet has special letters for displaying "iotized-palatalized" vowel sounds of speech. There are also the letters iota Й and the letter palatalizer Ь. Moreover, the iota and the palatalizer are the same sonorous slit (hissing) sound-a sign of speech-thinking of the third articulation zone.
Each non-palatalized vowel or consonant sound of speech can be pronounced palatalized ("softly").
Palatalization of any non-palatalized vowel sound of speech is the simultaneous articulation of the voiced slit ("hissing") consonant "palatalizer-iota" Й=Ь of the third articulation zone followed by the vowel sound of speech: Ю is ЙУ and is ЬУ. Ё is ЙО and is ЬО. Я is ЙА and is ЬА. Е is ЙЭ and is ЬЭ. И is ЙЫ and is ЬЫ. The vowel sounds of speech and their palatalized forms are arranged in a sequence of their articulation zones - from the first (outermost) to the fifth (innermost): У - О - А - Э - Ы // Ю - Ё - Я - Е - И.
Palatalization of any non-palatalized explosive or slit consonant sound of speech is the simultaneous articulation of the preceding consonant followed by a sonorous slit ("hissing") consonant sound-signs of speech by the "palatalizer-iota" of the third articulation zone. For example: ПЬ is and ПЙ. БЬ is and БЙ. ФЬ is and ФЙ. ВЬ is and ВЙ. ЦЬ is and ЦЙ.  СЬ is and СЙ. ЗЬ is and ЗЙ. ТЬ is and ТЙ. ДЬ is and ДЙ. ЧЬ is and ЧЙ. JЬ is and JЙ. Щ is ШЬ and is ШЙ. In the Russian language, the palatalized explosive deaf sound of speech of the second zone of articulation ЦЬ is considered to be the palatalized explosive deaf sound of speech of the third zone of articulation ТЬ. And the real palatalized sound of speech ТЬ is considered a foreign accent of its pronunciation.
Therefore, the palatalized vowel sound of speech "Ы" does not deserve to be displayed by a separate letter and palatalized "ЬЫ" = "ЙЫ". Also, the other four palatalized vowel sounds of speech do not deserve to be displayed in separate letters "Ю" (= "ЬУ" = "ЙУ"), "Ё" (= "ЬО" = "ЙО"), "Я" (= "ЬА" = "ЙА), "Е" (= "ЬЭ" = "ЙЭ").
Scientific source: 
1. Макеев А.К. Общая классификация согласных и гласных звуков-знаков речи-мышления / А.К. Макеев // Культурология, искусствоведение и филология: современные взгляды и научные исследования: сб. ст. по материалам XXXIV Международной научно-практической конференции «Культурология, искусствоведение и филология: современные взгляды и научные исследования». – № 3(30). – М., Изд. «Интернаука», 2020. - 108 с. С. 65-75. Alex makeyev (talk) 14:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  И this is the palatalized Ы 

message: I'm pretty certain that I can attest, as someone of Russian heritage, that this letter does not sound like a Close central unrounded vowel (ɨ) but definitely like a Close back unrounded vowel (ɯ). Feel free to discuss all your Westernized theories of doom and gloom. --Vitilsky (talk) 21:25, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong phonetics 

message: The first line is "The soft sign (Ь) has the same trill." Same trill as what? the sentence makes no sense to me IanH84 (talk) 04:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage Section