Talk:Fernando Pessoa

message: I'm seeing some large scale reverts going on here that appear to be a content dispute.  Would the contestants please care to express their opinions here?  Kelly Martin 04:39, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
*The original article was replaced a short time ago with a highly POV essay that seems to be a copy of a review posted at Amazon.com (sorry, had to use Google's cache, Amazon is confusing me today).  I reverted to last version of article before this person began editing.  I've got no real stake in the article; I've never heard of this person.  As it says on my  page, I'm just trying to keep the place clean. Xcali 04:48, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war? 

message: Just thought I'd mention this, but has anyone noticed the similarities between Pessoa and Joyce's physical appearance? Could it be that one copied the others style? --The Individual 15:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarities 

message: The primacy of Alexander Search is, I think, incorrect:
"I remember, thus, what seems to me to have been my first heteronym, or rather, my first inexistant acquaintance - a certain Chevalier de Pas when I was about six, on whose behalf I wrote letters to myself, and whose appearance, not entirely hazy, still has a hold on that part of my affections which borders upon saudade [nostalgia]."
-letter to Adolf Casais Moneiro, 13 Jan 1935 from A centenary Pessoa, Carcanet,
regards LT 195.92.67.73 20:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: heteronyms

message: I'm quite shure, that the interpretation of Caeiro's poetry is "wrong" - this is at least my interpretation of his writings. 
"Poetry before Caeiro was essentially interpretative; what poets did was to offer an interpretation of their perceived surroundings; Caeiro does not do this. Instead, he attempts to communicate his senses, and his feelings, without any interpretation whatsoever."
But that is only, what he keeps telling us. He never realises his project due to beeing much to programmatical. He tells us what he (an as such we) should be doing - but in this position never realises his project. Due to my rather bad englisch an example:
He never writes about flovers as they are or as we percive them, but that a flower should be subject of poetry. His own programatic way keeping him from archiving his own programm. 
as such i woul prefer his poetry beeing split into his programmatic and his own metapoetical style.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.220.148 (talk) 15:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Caeiro and his interpretation

message: I can’t say I am a lover of poetry, but I came across a book of Pessoa’s poetry in the original Portuguese and I find a connection with his words.  My Portuguese is a little rusty, but isn’t the translation of the tabacaria poem:
I am not nothing 	
I shall never be nothing
I cannot wish to be nothing.
That aside, I have in me all the dreams of the world.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.146.140 (talk) 07:35, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Álvaro de Campos: "The Tobacco Shop" (Tabacaria)  

message: I had put an external link to a page which contains Pessoa poems - and 201.240.153.246 (whoever this is) deleted it. Please let me know the reason. In general, if you are editing something put in by someone else - please be courteous enough to leave a note and a callback address.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlavannis (talk • contribs) 22:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  uncourteous edits 

message: I am from Portugal and I have a general knowledge of Fernando Pessoa beliefs and his political views. This letter taken from the Portuguese Wikipedia sumarizes his beliefs. From the letter, that belongs to Architecht Fernando Távora colection, I can translate: "Conservador do estilo inglês, isto é, liberal dentro do conservantismo, e absolutamente anti-reaccionário.", "A conservative from the english style, that means a liberal inside conservantism, and absolutely anti-reactionary." I know from his political writtings that he supported the proclamation of the republic in 1910, he became disappointed with the republican politics and supported Sidónio Pais regimen, in 1918. He also would support the Military Dictatorship in a famous pamphlet, but it is obvious from it that he saw the Dictatorship as a transitional period until a proper democracy was created. He never expressed any sympathy by the Estado Novo or Salazar. He even mocked Salazar in a famous poem, maling a pun with his name in portuguese, Sal and Azar (Salt and Bad Luck). He called himself anti-socialist and anti-communist, but wasn't by any means anti-democratic. He also supported and wrote in defense of the Freemasonary when it was banned by Salazar government in 1935. I will provide more sources from his works to clarify better his political beliefs. This is the famous "Personal File", where he describes his political and religious views:
 
"Ficha pessoal (também referida como "Nota autobiográfica", que não é), intitulada no original "Fernando Pessoa", dactilografada e assinada pelo escritor em 30 de Março de 1935. Publicada pela primeira vez, muito incompleta, como introdução ao poema À memória do Presidente-Rei Sidónio Pais, editado pela Editorial Império em 1940. Publicada em versão integral em Fernando Pessoa no seu Tempo, Biblioteca Nacional, Lisboa, 1988, pp. 17–22.
FERNANDO PESSOA 
Nome completo: Fernando António Nogueira de Seabra Pessoa. 
Idade e naturalidade: Nasceu em Lisboa, freguesia dos Mártires, no prédio n.º 4 do Largo de S. Carlos (hoje do Directório) em 13 de Junho de 1888. 
Filiação: Filho legítimo de Joaquim de Seabra Pessoa e de D. Maria Madalena Pinheiro Nogueira. Neto paterno do general Joaquim António de Araújo Pessoa, combatente das campanhas liberais, e de D. Dionísia Seabra; neto materno do conselheiro Luís António Nogueira, jurisconsulto e Director-Geral do Ministério do Reino, e de D. Madalena Xavier Pinheiro. Ascendência geral: misto de fidalgos e judeus. 
Estado civil: Solteiro. 
Profissão: A designação mais própria será "tradutor", a mais exacta a de "correspondente estrangeiro" em casas comerciais. O ser poeta e escritor não constitui profissão, mas vocação. 
Morada: Rua Coelho da Rocha, 16, 1º. Dto. Lisboa. (Endereço postal - Caixa Postal 147, Lisboa). 
Funções sociais que tem desempenhado: Se por isso se entende cargos públicos, ou funções de destaque, nenhumas. 
Obras que tem publicado: A obra está essencialmente dispersa, por enquanto, por várias revistas e publicações ocasionais. É o seguinte o que, de livros ou folhetos, considera como válido: "35 Sonnets" ((em inglês)), 1918; "English Poems I-II" e "English Poems III" (em inglês também), 1922; livro "Mensagem", 1934, premiado pelo "Secretariado de Propaganda Nacional" na categoria Poema". O folheto "O Interregno", publicado em 1928 e constituído por uma defesa da Ditadura Militar em Portugal, deve ser considerado como não existente. Há que rever tudo isso e talvez que repudiar muito. 
Educação: Em virtude de, falecido seu pai em 1893, sua mãe ter casado, em 1895, em segundas núpcias, com o Comandante João Miguel Rosa, Cônsul de Portugal em Durban, Natal, foi ali educado. Ganhou o prémio Rainha Vitória de estilo inglês na Universidade do Cabo da Boa Esperança em 1903, no exame de admissão, aos 15 anos. 
Ideologia Política: Considera que o sistema monárquico seria o mais próprio para uma nação organicamente imperial como é Portugal. Considera, ao mesmo tempo, a Monarquia completamente inviável em Portugal. Por isso, a haver um plebiscito entre regimes, votaria, embora com pena, pela República. Conservador do estilo inglês, isto é, liberal dentro do conservantismo, e absolutamente anti-reaccionário. 
Posição religiosa: Cristão gnóstico e portanto inteiramente oposto a todas as igrejas organizadas e, sobretudo, à Igreja Católica. Fiel, por motivos que mais adiante estão implícitos, à Tradição Secreta do Cristianismo, que tem íntimas relações com a Tradição Secreta em Israel (a Santa Kabbalah) e com a essência oculta da Maçonaria. 
Posição iniciática: Iniciado, por comunicação directa de Mestre a Discípulo, nos três graus menores da Ordem dos Templários de Portugal. 
Posição patriótica: Partidário de um nacionalismo místico, de onde seja abolida toda a infiltração católico-romana, criando-se, se possível for, um sebastianismo novo que a substitua espiritualmente, se é que no catolicismo português houve alguma vez espiritualidade. Nacionalista que se guia por este lema: "Tudo pela Humanidade; nada contra a Nação". 
Posição social: Anti-comunista e anti-socialista. O mais deduz-se do que vai dito acima. 
Resumo de estas últimas considerações: Ter sempre na memória o mártir Jacques de Molay, Grão-Mestre dos Templários, e combater, sempre e em toda a parte, os seus três assassinos - a Ignorância, o Fanatismo e a Tirania. 
Lisboa, 30 de Março de 1935 [em várias edições está 1933, por lapso] 
Fernando Pessoa [assinatura autografa] 
Fonte: Cópia do original dactilografado e assinado existente na Colecção do Arquitecto Fernando Távora.Mistico (talk) 15:58, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Fernando Pessoa Political Beliefs

message: My monitor has a very wide screen and the quotes and images are all out of whack--some of the quotes are appearing three sections below their actual placement, and there's a huge empty space between the heading "list of heteronyms" and the table--thanks to the images and quotes spilling over from previous sections. I noticed that when I make my screen more narrow, the alignment improves, but is there a way to set those quotes and images so they stay aligned to their proper sections? Aristophanes68 (talk) 01:12, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: To whomever just adjusted the images--it looks better already--thanks! Aristophanes68 (talk) 02:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image alignment 

message: Fernando Pessoa briefly met the greek poet Constantine Cavafy while travelling to New York via London. The journey was never completed as news of the stock market crash of 1929 arrived. This is explained in the documentary movie "The night Fernando Pessoa met Constantine Cavafy".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coldpac (talk • contribs) 17:04, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meeting with Cavafy 

message: This article was quite plagued by a host of boxes including quotes placed there with no introduction, just as decoration. The result was barely readable and confused the reader. I tried to implement the main ones as quotes internally, and removed many including poems put there just to put something, and that should be instead more properly read at Wikiquote I think. --Attilios (talk) 09:30, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Boxes

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message: Dear fellow editors,
The first editor who provided a full date (here) used the dmy format, which is the European format appropriate for Portugal. I will therefore restore that format, per MOS:DATEVAR and MOS:DATETIES, respectively. Thank you.
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thread_title:  Date format 

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thread_title:  Bom sucesso ele sim foi um grande escritor admiro muito e me inspiro 

message: He is included in the Rosicrucians category, but are there good sources on his involvement, and which of the many Rosicrucian Orders he may have belonged to? AnandaBliss (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rosicrucianism 

message: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001t2jn Roycross56 (talk) 21:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  PLAY ABOUT PESSOA AND HIS THREE MAIN HETERONYMS