Talk:Esotericism in Germany and Austria

message: Some readers will probably not be sure what the use of this article is supposed to  be. Well, there was this section on Esotericism in Nazi Germany in the article Nazi occultism, that did not really belong there. Because of the differences between that what is understood as Esotericism and that what is understood as Religion, I did not want to merge it into Nazism and Religion, and the suppression of Esotericism in nazi germany is difficult to explain without referring its connection to Ariosophy and Nazi Occultism, which should better be done in its own article. Also I realized that this article would be the best way to make all the various articles on German occultist and esotericist accessible. Zara1709 13:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reason for this article

message: Ok, here is the direct quote from Goodrick-Clarke: "The Lumenclub issued its own broadsheet and convened lectures and acted as a growth centre for the illegal Nazi party in Austria in the year preceding the downfall of the Republic and the Anschluss with Germany in March 1938. However, despite their modest contribution to the rise of Austrian fascism, the  Lumenclub and the ONT were suppressed by the Gestapo in March 1942, according to a party edict of December 1938 applying to many sectarian groups." Zara1709 17:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Lumenclub and the ONT were Nazi

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message: Example of these is the name Carl Reichenbach under the heading of "Esotericists in Nazi Germany". Reichenbach died in 1869, long before there was a Nazi Germany. 
Another inaccuracy is in the sentence "His periodical Lotusblüten (Lotus Blossoms, 1892–1900) was the first German publication to use the theosophical swastika on its cover.[14]" There is no such thing as a "theosophical swastika". Theosophy refers to symbols from various religions but the swastika has no particular meaning within the theosophical movement. I have yet to read "The Occult Roots of Nazism: The Ariosophists of Austria and Germany, 1890-1935" by Goodrick-Clarke, which is given as reference [14] here. 
Another remarkable sentence is "A German Theosophical Society, as a branch of the International Theosophical Brotherhood, then was established in 1896 when the American theosophists around William Quan Judge, Katherine Tingley, E. T. Hargrove and C. F. Wright travelled through Europe.[14]", again supported by note [14]. The International Theosophical Brotherhood was itself a German theosophical organisation (despite the name) founded by Franz Hartmann, following W.Q. Judge and K. Tingley (and the American Section) when they split from the TS in 1895. The German Theosophical Society was not a branch of this organisation. Perhaps the problem is indeed an unreliable source.
Ingmardb (talk) 19:56, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: This article contains some striking inaccuracies