Template talk:Cities administered by the State of Palestine

message: Is this not English Wikipedia? I see no need for the Hebrew and Arabic names to be used, imho it makes the template look ugly. This also seems not to be the standard practice. Chesdovi 16:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree their Arabic and Hebrew names will be stated in their articles -- Al Ameer son 19:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hebrew/Arabic names

message: Removed. Amoruso 21:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't "East Jerusalem" refer to the part of Jerusalem that is inside the West Bank? I mean before 1967, no one could have said that "West Jerusalem" is not a city, even though it was split.Vice regent 20:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the time Jerusalem was a city divied in half. Two mayors. Now there is one Mayor. The city is called Jerusalem. The city was never called West Jerusalem or East Jerusalem. Both sides called it Jerusalem. Amoruso 09:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: East Jerusalem is a place, not a city

message: I have restored the original version of this template after it had been split into separate ones for the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The Gaza Strip is still officially part of the PNA and the fact Hamas is the real power there doesn't mean it's no longer so. Gaza hasn't seceded and the template will not be split because of political rifts between Hamas and Fatah. A possible suggestion is to have an asterisk next the Gaza Strip row saying the territory is currently under a Hamas-run administration or something along those lines. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:33, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: PA authority in Gaza is completely undue since 2007 conflict. The relation of Gaza strip to PNA is no different that relation of Gaza to Israel or to Egypt or to UK (all are former administrators). It is like both North and South Korea claim sovereignity over the entire peninsula. It fails WP:VERIFABILITY. Unless you can bring a reliable source to link PNA with Gaza, i revert you back per WP:OR; WP:VERIFABILITY and WP:RS.Greyshark09 (talk) 04:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, your earlier move to split the template was in contradiction of the three guidelines you cited above. As far as governance and international recognition is concerned the GS and WB are still under the PA. It's just a matter of who's the legitimate leadership of the PA government. Ismail Haniyeh was not the elected Prime Minister of Gaza or Hamas, but the Prime Minister of the PA including the West Bank. After the brief coup/civil strife in 2007, he was ejected from that role by Abbas and replaced with Salam Fayyad. In other words, there has been no formal secession concerning Gaza and the Ramallah leadership, it's just violence-abetted politics that has these two territories split on a de facto, not de jure level. In fact, the political conflict between the two administrations has largely subsided with the recent Doha deal, even if (as usual) its implementation has been delayed. North and South Korea on the other hand are internationally recognized as independent countries and its been that way for decades. I advise you not to revert my restoration, since something of this nature could have wider repercussions throughout the topic area where we'll be demarcating all the Palestinian-related articles between the Hamas-run PA and the Fatah-run PA on a weak notion that they're officially split. Rather, I suggest you bring this subject up for a wider discussion at WP:Palestine or another wikicommunity venue. As for the template, to reiterate, I could agree on having a note clarifying the situation in GS or we could rename the template "Cities in the Palestinian territories" but then we'd have to include East Jerusalem. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:43, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree to rename this to "cities in the Palestinian teritories" and have a remark on difference governance of Gaza and West Bank.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, but we'd also have to include East Jerusalem and have another remark about its political status i.e. annexed by Israel, but internationally recognized as part of Pal territories or something along those lines. You could make the changes and we'll move on from there. Cheers. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:49, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  PNA vs. Hamas 

message: The title here is called "Cities in Palestinian Authority areas", which is an awkard title. The government was called "the Palestinian (National) Authority" and the territory "the Palestinian territories". I have brought up a similiar issue at Talk:List of cities administered by the State of Palestine#Division between West Bank and Gaza. There is a consensus in the world that the area is called the Palestinian territories or State of Palestine.
As can be seen in some sections above, a move was rejected in early January 2013. Since then, many pages have been moved to include "State of Palestine". Even "Palestinian territories" is fine and much better than the current one. Anyway, I don't think there should be disparity between the template name and the article name and now there is a bigger one than before. That is because it was changed to "List of cities administered by the State of Palestine" from "List of cities administered by the Palestinian National Authority" two months ago. --IRISZOOM (talk) 04:14, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: -  in August already.GreyShark (dibra) 09:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change the title?