Talk:2005 UEFA Champions League final

message: I've changed the timing of Liverpool's first two goals to 54' and 56' and altered "Six minutes of madness" to "Seven ...".  The source for the new timings is from the UEFA website . With the first goal scored in the 54th minute and the last scored in the 60th minute, the time between the first and last goals could be as short as 5 minutes or as long as 7 minutes, depending on exactly when the goals were scored within the minute. UEFA describes the goals as having been scored in 7 minutes  Peter Harriman 08:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be useful to acquire the exact goal timings, with seconds, and then there really could be little argument. aLii 11:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: So the elapsed time is 6:47 - seven minutes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Barfbagger (talk • contribs) 22:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Goal timings

message: I would question the neutrality of this article. The language suggests it was written by a fan of Liverpool. Can the language be adjusted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rico987 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest I would say the language suggests it was written by an AI bot. The whole article needs rewritten. It is terrible to read. 202.133.142.115 (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: It didn't nearly miss Alonso when Smicer took his '20 yard shot', it was Baros I'm going to change it now. Jazza5 10:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nearly misssed... 

message: From the article: "in the second round Andrea Pirlo's shot was saved by Liverpool's goalkeeper Jerzy Dudek, although controversy later arose over the goalkeeper's supposed movement off his goal line before the ball was kicked". Why the 'guarded' way of saying this? I just watched a recording of that match and it is clear that Dudek moves before the shot. Shouldn't the article reflect this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Squishycube (talk • contribs) 21:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penalty shoot-out controversy 

message: Here we go...
*"...thus lifted the trophy for the fifth time to keep permanently...." - English? 
*Good idea to use Liverpool's full title in the infobox i.e. with the F.C. added. 
*"Liverpool began their campaign at the 3rd Qualifying Round where, in the first (away) leg against Austrian Side Grazer AK two goals from Steven Gerrard secured a 2–0 victory for the club[2]."
**Over capitalisation e.g. Qualifying Round, Side... 
**Badly placed reference, see WP:CITE for where to put them
**"...in the first (away) leg..." was there a second (away) leg?  No.  Confusing, rewrite needed for the non-expert. 
**"...for the club" - which club?  Rewrite required. - The Paragraph is about Liverpool so, 
*Why is the paragraph about Liverpool in the 3rd Q round not in the Liverpool section? 
*General - check all citation placements per WP:CITE.
*1st should be written first. 
*54th Minute, over-capitalised - check throughout. 
*"...17th Minute goal ,..." - space before comma - copyedit required. 
*Excess spacing between first and second para of AC Milan's route to the final section. 
*"Milan were given..." used three times in quick succession - try variation, like "..were drawn against..." etc.  - Removed
*"...showed signs of complacency..." - this is POV and original research unless you can find a citation with the direct quote.  - Removed
*Last three paragraphs of the Liverpool section are too short, consider merging. 
*"Only 52 seconds into the match, Paolo Maldini scored for Milan, scoring the fastest goal and becoming the oldest player (at 36) to score in a Champions League final." - such claims need references.  - Removed
*Is it Hernan Crespo or Hernán Crespo?  And avoid overlinking - he's wikilinked at least three times. 
*"...an exquisite finish...", "brought solidity to Liverpool's midfield", "which is sometimes hailed as the decisive factor in turning the game" - again all POV - needs citation or removal.  - Removed
*"In the final moment of the penalty shoot-out. Television commentator said what had always been Liverpool's fan's greatest dream "And now the European Cup has returned to England and to Anfield" Unknowingly signifying Liverpool's new era." - English?  Citation?  - Removed
*The section describing the final needs serious citation.
So, I'm failing the GA for now, it really needs some work on the citations and several POV phrases.  The Rambling Man 16:28, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review comments 

message: This article really needs some more pictures.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard LVP Real (talk • contribs) 15:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picturtes

message: Okay, here we go...
*"It was the fifth time Liverpool had won the competition and, as a result were given the UEFA Badge of Honour to wear appears on there European kits." - terrible English problem here. 
*"... and got through..." - clumsy, and too many "just"'s...
*1st should be "first" for "1st goal" and "1st game" etc... 
*Check all references are placed to the right of punctuation as WP:CITE advises. 
*Kaka is wikilinked twice in a row.  No need.  Plus, it links to a disambiguation page.
*"group" or "Group" games?
*"Milan now lead ..." - led?
*"Milan also won the second leg at the San Siro 1–0, once again, a goal from Crespo this time on the 61st minute was the difference." - this sounds like Crespo scored in the 61st minute in both games, did he really?
*Probably a good idea to mention that AC and Inter share the same ground.
*"A.C." or "AC" - consistency required.
*Probably best to use British English since this is a European article, half of which is about an English club, so "behavior" needs a u. lol
*"Milan were given..." odd turn of phrase, perhaps "Milan drew" or "Milan were drawn against..." 
*"Away goals rule" doesn't need the A capitalised in the prose.
*"Home" or "home" - consistency required. 
*"Quarter Finals" and "Semi-Final" - hyphen or no hyphen?  Consistency required. 
*Inline link to "Match report" is inappropriate.  Either make it an External link or use it as a reference and use  template. 
*"net the bounce seemed" - some punctuation missing.  - removed second part.
*"Liverpool's play in the first half both in attack and defence was below expectations." - OR, cite or ditch. - ditched
*"a tight offside" - POV.  Just offside or cite "tight".  - Changed to just offside.
*"a wonderful through-ball" - POV.  Cite or remove. 
*"even the most optimistic Liverpool supporter probably thought the match was over given the apparently vast gulf in class between the two sets of players in the first half." - POV, OR, awful.  Non encyclopaedic. rm.
*In fact, all of this match report is POV/OR.  It needs copyediting by someone else besides the original author. - 
*:Image:Liverpool Champions League.jpg has inadequate fair use rationale. - New image
*Trophy section completed uncited.  (I think you mean completely but oh well)
That's it.  Again, a considerable amount to do. Let me know when you're done, or if you need help on the way.  The Rambling Man 17:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further review towards GA 

message: Anyone know why this image was deleted? Buc 13:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, but seeing as I am to try and get this to GA or FA soon, i think that a photoshot of action from the match should be used. the BBC should provide some good ones. F9T 17:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image:Liverpool V A.C. Milan.svg 

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replies: text: added -- F9T 17:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:LFC Champions of Europe.jpg

message: This article is about the UEFA Champions League Final yet the 'Road to the Final' section seems longer than the 'Final' section itself. Most of the road to the final is a quite boring detailing of which minute the goals were scored in at relevant stages. I reckon the 'Road to the Final' could be drastically cut.
There also seems a lot of POV comments in here too.
*AC Milan easily advanced.
*unacceptable behaviour from the Inter Milan fans. - Just tell us what they did.
*Olympiakos then shocked Liverpool
*A great defensive performance 
*This change meant Steven Gerrard was given the freedom to attack from his midfield position. - recollecting the match this is right, but please provide a reference.
*At this point the Liverpool supporters in the crowd began to get behind the team even more so than they already had.
*At this point the game began to settle.
*Serginho was the first player to take a penalty, possibly put off by Dudek dancing on the goal line, he blasted the ball horribly over the crossbar.
*Jerzy Dudek, although controversy later arose over the goalkeeper's movement off his goal line before the ball was kicked - as above with Gerrard. There must be a reference out there somewhere.
*Dudek dived to his right, but somehow managed to reach his hand behind his leg 
Quite a few cliches too.
*At the end of normal time there was nothing to separate the teams - in scoreline maybe. Just say the scores were level at the end of normal time.
Also
*At the fourth round, Kaká netted for Milan, which, temporarily levelled the score at 2–2. Do you really need to say temporarily. Temporarily for how long? Another team were always going to score at some point.
I reckon the whole article could do with a substantially good copy edit. Peanut4 (talk) 22:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA comments 

message: It's good, but like the other three GA reviews, I have some problems:
; Lead
* The lead section is a little short for an article as this lengh. For a GA, try and expand it to two paragraphs worth of writing.
* Also in the lead there is this sentence: "It is considered to be one of the greatest ever games of football", clear cut POV. If you wish to keep this you need to word it to say "According to X" or "It is considered by X to be the greatest...". As it currently stands, this sentence suggests that Wikipedia itself thinks this, which it shouldn't because it holds a Neutral Point of View. 
;Route to the final
*I will let go the "easily progressed" bit as, IMO, you've justified it, although you could say that Barcelona would win the competition in the future.
*I personally think the group stage isn't really worth talking about, personally I'd only talk about two noteworthy games in the group stage - perhaps against Celtic and Barcelona? 
*"unacceptable behaviour from the Inter Milan fans", can we please try and expand on this - you cannot say something like that without justifying it - some people may take offense. 
*I think it's worth saying that PSV Eindhoven won the Dutch league a number of times, eg. "...draw against X times Dutch League winners PSV Eindhoven". 
*Same applies with the Liverpool ones.  - but relative to Champions League, as opposed to League titles
;Match Summary
*"who was 20 yards from goal and struck a shot with power and precision, which Baros did extremely well to avoid, past Dida" - Try and avoid needless POV like this for a start. ;-) 
*Also, I don't really like the idea of the enbolded parts in the Penalty shoot out section. I think you should just delete them because it is mentioned later in the Match Details section 
;General
*Finially, I have a minor problem with the images, I applaud the fact that you've tagged them, but I would like you to add a Fair use rationale specifically for this article, not just a general FU. -Been deleted so I'll get back round to this
Anyway, let me know how you've got on and I'll be happy to got over what you've done.--Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 13:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: I understand that some Internazionale fans can be offended by being called Milan (as this is what AC Milan are commonly referred to, I shall set it to F.C. Internazionale here. // Finns 07:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inter Milan > Internazionale 

message: Just because the source is the BBC website? Believe me there are millions upon millions of people who consider it to be one of the greatest mates ever.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.95.3 (talk) 13:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But the source is the BBC, which means that the BBC believe it is, and it may not reflect public opinion. // Finns 20:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well no, because all of that would appear in the UEFA references that we have anyway, and the sources of those are at the bottom of the page // Finns 19:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC consider it to be one of the greatest matches of all time

message: someone has put bramball lane as the venue in the match report, and removed liverpools scorers - this is appalling behaviour and must be stopped at all cost!  The good name of the scousers must be upheld otherwise no-one will trust us anymore!  Then whose hub caps will we nick?  Ay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.237.64 (talk) 06:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: Please can we discuss the recent edits that are making the article horribly unstable. If the constant reversion keeps happening, I will have to ask that the article is locked, and I don't think anyone would want that. Thanks. --Ged UK (talk) 11:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit War 

message: So far, I review lead section and Route to the final section. Will need a few days to review the whole article. --Aspie me (talk) 10:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost finished my review, will post it tomorrow. :) --Aspie me (talk) 16:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello, I'm reviewing this article 

message: The intro section is surely just way too detailed - some of the details of the group stage could be incorporated into the following section...and the complete failure to mention the extraordinary nature of the match makes it ridiculous.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.204.198 (talk) 22:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too detailed and technical 

message: The penalty Gerrard won in the second half is widely regarded as dubious, but the article says he was "taken down" by Gattuso.  Not really NPOV. 99.234.182.107 (talk) 15:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerrard penalty controversy 

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thread_title:  Dead link 

message: Someone vandalized Milan's third qualifying round match. It says "Bye" now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.138.60.214 (talk) 02:27, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would you assume that was vandalism? A "bye" is when a team doesn't have to play in a particular round of the competition; Milan didn't have to go through the qualifying rounds since they won Serie A the year before. – PeeJay 09:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faulty edit 

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message: No they didn’t. Responded suggests they scored. But of course they didn’t. This is a very badly written article and somebody should re-write it. 202.133.142.115 (talk) 15:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liverpool responded almost immediately?