Talk:Tusi couple

message: The statement "A property of the Tusi couple is that points on the inner circle that are not on the circumference trace ellipses" is not correctly stated. There can not be any points on the inner circle that are not on its circumference, because, by construction, all points on a circle lie on the circumference of that circle. What is meant would be correctly expressed if we are talking about all points of a disk that is co-rotating with the inner circle. Only then is it true that there can be points of the disk not on the circumference of the circle, and that those points not on the circle's circumference trace ellipses.
Suggested replacement would be:
"A property of the Tusi couple is that all points of a disk of any radius co-rotating with the inner circle trace out ellipses. Points on the circumference of the circle or at the center of the circle trace out degenerate ellipses (straight line and circle, respectively.)"
173.243.178.98 (talk) 20:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Math 

message: Dear Duythai25,
I like the division of information and everything looks fleshed out now. Maybe you could add more about epicycles and how Western theories using them were different than Arab counterparts.
SebCoyle (talk) 16:33, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: Well, here we go again. Its an Arabic thing... but actually appears in commentaries on Euclid more than 500 years earlier. Major rephrasing is required. I suspect the hand of Jagged William M. Connolley (talk) 20:05, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny you say that, given that this was the only change committed by Jagged85 to this article. Bias ? Al-Andalusi (talk) 20:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pardon? William M. Connolley (talk) 21:07, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

text: E. S. Kennedy.  He gives an explanation of the origin of the Tusi couple in his paper "Late Medieval Planetary Theory", Isis 57, #3 (Autumn 1966), 365-378, .  According to him, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi was dissatisfied with the equant, which, as you'll recall, involved making the center of the epicycle travel around a deferent circle, while its motion around this circle was uniform with respect to not the center of the deferent, but a different center (the equant point.)  This was philosophically unsatisfactory as it violated the Aristotelean principle of uniform circular motion.  The solution al-Tusi came up with was to start with the equant point and have a point uniformly moving around that in a circle.  Then he stuck a Tusi couple on top of this point and made its endpoint the center of the epicycle.  The result is a path which is quite close to the Ptolemaic path.  There is an animation of al-Tusi's model, along with some other models, here (another version here; main page here.)  So, the statement is basically correct, although it's imprecise in that what avoids the equant is Tusi's overall planetary model, of which the couple is only one piece. Spacepotato (talk) 00:48, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I was dubious because, if I recall correctly, Copernicus uses it for something totally different (some equinox wobble that turned out not to really exist, I think) William M. Connolley (talk) 08:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh dear 

message: The recently added section on technical usage anachronistically suggests that the hypocycloid Straight-line Mechanism is historically related to the Tusi couple.  Although they may be geometrically equivalent, the material presented suggests that the nineteenth-century inventors were credited for creating a new mechanism for producing reciprocating straight line motion rather than applying al-Tusi's discovery.
I don't feel this discussion belongs in this article on the Tusi couple, perhaps it could be added to the article Straight line mechanism under the heading Hypocycloid straight-line mechanism (Tusi couple).  If retained in this article, the discussion should make it clear that we have a nineteenth-century discovery of an equivalent mechanism to the Tusi couple for which no historical connection has been demonstrated.  --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 18:41, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Receiving no further comment, I edited the section on mechanisms to unify the various discussions, clarify their independence from the Tusi couple, and reduce their size.  Editors may wish to rescue the detailed discussion from the article history and put it in Straight line mechanism in some form.--SteveMcCluskey (talk) 04:36, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical usage 

message: That reference seems to be the only mention of this on the Internet, and it says  nothing about it being invented by Goodman, nor being named after Goodman, only that he made a video of some gears. Is there any info to the contrary?
The "Goodman couple" appears to be at least 5 centuries old as it was described by Cardano in the 16th century, now known as the "Cardan straight line mechanism." I personally suspect it can be traced to ancient Greece, and will attempt to prove it.
Skintigh (talk) 06:08, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Goodman couple" is 500 year old Cardano invention