Talk:Vulcan (mythology)

message: This article contained this bit:
:His name was originally spelt with an initial B, as appears from an ancient altar on which were inscribed the words BOLCANO SAC. ARA. This spelling indicates the true derivation of the name, which is simply a corruption of Tubalcain, who was "an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron"
(Gen. iv. 22). 
This strikes me as profoundly implausible.  Partridge's Origins, not the best source, connects Vulcan with Welkhanos, a Cretan god of destructive fire of whom I have never heard.  The Westminster Dictionary of the Bible relates Tubalcain to the Tibarenoi, "workers of iron and steel" who are equally unfamiliar.  The accentuation is wrong for the tu- element to simply disappear in a Latin word.  Does anyone know of the source of this claim? --- Smerdis of Tlön 03:11, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: As it was the section (if it can be called that) containing Pandora was ill worded. This still doesn't sound as good as it could, but it is better than the 'beautiful, but dumb' Pandora. -ImmortalGoddezz 01:47, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pandora 

message: Some potential sources: general mythology; 
— Preceding unsigned comment added by BD2412 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I propose moving this page from Vulcan (mythology) to Vulcan (god). While mythology forms part of the article and should certainly be covered, it also treats religious worship of Vulcan, and we should making any assumptions in the title about how far the cult-figure overlaps with the mythical figure. "God" applies adequately to both. EALacey 10:53, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's simply the convention. --Wetman 16:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a wrong convention but that's because it's better to dab them all as (deity) and not because they represent a valid or respectable belief system. It's ok that some people were wrong about things. The only reason not to use (deity) is to highlight the way mythology obscures the (also wrong) astrological and mystical bases of various beliefs without regard to the stories. The actual worship was towards the deities, though. — LlywelynII 05:03, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: The  "Mythology' section inserted 8 July by an anonymous editor is a well-meaning but unsourced, "tell it in your own words" personal essay in the manner of Wikipedia in 2003. It needs to follow Latin sources more closely, without the picturesque and sentimental details. --Wetman (talk) 03:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The "Mythology" section

message: The Latin name Vulcānus comes from *vulkas 'wolf', cf. Latvian vilks, ulks 'wolf', South-Baltic vulks, Goth. wulfs < *vulks, Slavic volk < *vulk-, Albanian ujk < *ulk, Illyrian ulk-, Greek lukos < *ulkos, Latin lupus < *ulkus etc. Roberts7 19:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have another problem with this. What does "This interpretation is supported by William W. Skeat in his etymological dictionary as allied to Skt. "varchar-s", lustre" mean? What is "Skt." and what is "'varchar-s', lustre"? Donama (talk) 03:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

text: It doesn't hold because it implies recent and close links between Latin and Baltic languages, which is simply not the case... Italic languages are Centum while Baltic are Satem, which is one of the deepest and oldest divisions between IE languages. Kinship is possible, or even probable, but direct derivation is sheer poppyrooster. --Svartalf (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etimology 

message: Somebody deleted the opening lines of the section so now the text is unclear. I think it can be retored and I shall add citations. That the Volcanal was one of the oldest Roman altars and had a perennial fire is pacific. That it stood at the foot of the capitol too. Hope next time those people who have objections to the contents discuss here before acting of their own accord.Aldrasto11 (talk) 13:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sanctuaries 

message: Welkhanos became Zeus#Zeus_Velchanos Böri (talk) 17:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cretan God "Welkhanos" ? 

message: Because in Apocolocyntosis, Augustus declares "Look at Jupiter: all these years he has been king, and never did more than once to break Vulcan's leg,
'Whom seizing by the foot he cast from the threshold of the sky,' ", which quotes from the Illiad, wherein Hephaestus is the speaker. I would say that perhaps in the Roman tradition, Vulcan is thrown by Juno, but Seneca quotes the Greek source and names Jupiter as the one who did threw him. I see no citations for the present claim of it being Juno, although it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there are different versions. I just want to know where the Juno version comes from. The Illiad quote comes from book one, line 591, if anyone cares to check, and you can google Apocolocyntosis and find it about half-way through. Justanaccountnothingmore (talk) 03:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juno threw him from Mount Olympus? 

message: This definitely needs a higher importance rating and much more expansion, Ptah and Hephaestus as well. 174.4.163.53 (talk) 10:36, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but you'd need to do it yourself. Canonically, these guys are the least sexy of gods. — LlywelynII 05:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance 

message: There are some pages in the internet (including Vulcan article in Britannica.com, also wikipedia's Mulciber, :ja:ウゥルカーヌス, :fr:Vulcain (mythologie) which listed also many other names/epithets of his: Lemnius, Mulcifer, Etnæus, Tardipes, Junonigena, Chrysor, Callopodion, Amphigyéis) suggesting that Vulcanus was also called Mulciber (the smelter/fire allayer). Can anyone confirm this information? Was it one of his (and his counterpart Hephaestus') epithets? —16:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.13:19, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mulciber, what is it? 

message: Even if Vulcan is to be associated with Hephaestus, there's no reason why the myths surrounding the latter should be given here with the gods simply given their Latin names. This section should go. Thoughts? - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 00:20, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion - remove section on Hephaestus 

message: suggesting this guy isn't the  for Vulcan and that the dab isn't in the wrong place? — LlywelynII 05:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Any data at all...

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