Talk:Neil Goldschmidt

message: Proposal to include name of rape victim in the article.The victim of the rape is now dead. The name of the victim has been, subsequently, revealed in the American media. When a person is dead, there is no sense in "protecting anonymity" (and, as the case may be, "dignity") because everyone who passes away has his/her life open for History, by default, and does not suffer, in any sense of the term, anything anymore. This is precisely the reason why in Wikipedia there is one set of rules for biographies of persons who have passed away and another set of (more robust) rules for biographies of living persons. Wouldn't it be a disservice to History if we were, for example, to hide the names of the victims of Jack the Ripper? (Note that there is no "statute of limitations" about this. There is simply a clear demarcation between living and dead persons.)-The Gnome (talk) 05:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment First, let me state that I am not 100% opposed to adding the name, but I would like to seek a wider consensus. The discussion below was pretty close, but nothing was ever inserted into the article. My concerns are along the lines of WP:BDP, as the victim's family is still very much alive and had always requested anonymity. Moreover, not all of the media has revealed the name. To my knowledge, the Willamette Week is the only reliable source that has revealed the name. The Jack the Ripper analogy is not particularly valid because it was more than 100 years ago, and none of his victims' families are still alive, nor were they minors who had their names withheld by the media for many years. A better analogy might be children who were abused by priests; many have come forward in adulthood, but many have not. Should we reveal all their names immediately upon their deaths? I don't want to get hung up on analogies though. Bottom line is that I don't see the value of the name adds to the article at this time. I don't think we have to wait 100 years, but four months may not be enough. --Esprqii (talk) 17:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Only one small remark. Family ("the wishes of the family") should not come into considerations of historical reference. If one's mother has been raped, her name can be revealed after her death, if that revelation serves historical purposes (or is notable, in wiki terms), even if the son/daughter objects. The reasons a family offers, in objecting, are (a) social stigma to the family, and (b) protection of the deceased's dignity and right to anonymity. The latter are void as soon as one dies. The former cannot possibly be accepted as legitimate: the notion that a family somehow loses social standing simply for having a now-deseased family member who's been victimized in the distant past would be a significantly biased social notion for Wiki to endorse.-The Gnome (talk) 08:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
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