Talk:Jimi Hendrix/Archive 2

message: The medicos should be investigated: Jimi vomited in the ambulance. The paramedics didn't want to help him because he played that Satanic rock'n'roll and destroyed the morals of our children. And/Or because he was a Black man.
Elemental Warrior 13:05, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide any citations? +ILike2BeAnonymous 20:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: His family name was spelled Hendricks. Can't believe you missed this. OK, I can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
:Not true.  Both Jimi and his father Al were born with the surname 'Hendrix'.  Jimi's birth, arrest, and military records all bear the name 'Hendrix'.  His paternal grandfather, Bertran Philander Ross Hendrix, was the son of a former slave and the white merchant who once owned her.  There is an unproven story that this Anglican merchant slave owner was named 'Hendricks' and that when he disavowed paternity of Bertran (or years later as an adult), Bertran's surname was changed to 'Hendrix' - a French interpretation of the name - perhaps in an attempt to attribute his caucasian paternity with the French Canadian or Creole ethnicities of North America, or simply to disavow himself from his slave owner father.  The Bertran 'Hendricks' story is very old and cannot be verified, but it goes without a doubt that Jimi was born with the surname Hendrix.  --Zig 15:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling  

message: Why is Hendrix included in the Native American musicians category? Yes, he did have Native ancestry, but so do most African Americans (and more than a few white folks). Being Native American is a very specific experience, one that Jimi Hendrix did not have. Socially and politically, he was a Black person.--Pinko1977 04:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll go ahead and remove it. Thanks. --ILike2BeAnonymous 07:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: So if true, that means that Hendrix was one-quarter Cherokee, right? Does that make him a "Native American musician"? I'm not a cultural anthropologist, but my guess is no. Any other opinions? ==ILike2BeAnonymous 21:52, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying that Jimi Hendrix is Native American is a bit like saying that Tiger Woods is Thai. And FWIW, Tiger Woods is the only article in :Category:Thai Americans, which is patently ridiculous. Microtonal 23:08, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not any more; I removed that category from the article. Agreed. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 02:43, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

text: -So, if Hendrix was a quarter Native American, and not purely of African blood, he shouldn't be considered an African American musician either, right?  Even though he might not have been a pure Native American musician, he still was somewhat native american and a musician.  Also keep in mind that he took pride in his native american backround and had emersed himself in it.  Maybe you should make a subcategory for part-native american musicians instead of ignoring his ancestry all together. (Ngoah89 23:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American?  

message: #Jimi's litigous producer was Ed Chalpin, not 'Chaplin'.  100% sure on this.
#The Chalpin album was titled 'Band of Gypsys' in the US and 'Band of Gipsies' in the UK.  The title never included the words 'Live at the Fillmore East'
#The Berkeley concert was 30 May 1970 not 16 May.
#The paragraph about Rainbow Bridge had some vandalism inserted into it.
RUBBISH !! READ YOUR OWN RULES ABOUT EDITING  and  CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE ACCUSING THANKYOU!!!!
A thousand apologies - the phrase "BiG T is Amazing" totally belongs in a paragraph about Rainbow Bridge.
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Sorry misplaced accusation!!I must have missed that one - and it wasn't me adding whoever or what BigT was or is ?? 61.68.171.172 15:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary of 2/13/06 edits 

message: I just cleaned up this section, which was extremely badly written, punctuated (not!) and formatted. I cannot be sure that there aren't errors here, because it was impossible to tell which songs belonged to which session, album or performance, because of all the sentence fragments, glued-together clauses, etc.
Could someone who knows Hendrix' discography and performance history go through this and fix any mistakes? Thanks. --ILike2BeAnonymous 00:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help! "Posthumous Releases" discography 

message: What is the deal with this:
::Hendrix would punch up his own past by telling reporters that he was expelled from Garfield by racist faculty for holding hands with a white girlfriend in study hall, but Principal Frank Hanawalt insisted that it was simply due to poor grades and attendance problems.
Why should we believe the principal over JH? That needs to be rewritten so as not to take sides on the issue. (if it we're true that he was expelled for racist reasons, the principal would likely not admit it if asked anytime after the mid-60s, as it was a hot-issue. Thats not to say JH didn't have bad grades or that his bad grades wern't an issue in his expulsion, but it may very well be true that what the principle saw as a proprietorial infraction contributed to his decision to expel JH. Or maybe not, but its not the wiki's place to take sides.)--Brentt 10:57, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This was covered in a chapter of the Charles Cross biography, which was based on interviews with the principal, Jimi's high school friends, Al Hendrix, and Leon Hendrix. They all concede that there was no 'white girlfriend' incident or 'sex on the stage' incident and that Jimi was simply revising his own past to impress gullible reporters, especially in Europe where they were unlikely to go digging for facts. Thanks for bringing it up here instead of editing first - if you have a rebuttal, please respond.  --Zig 14:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Punching Up His Own Past?

message: am i missing something, or does the "impact" section, perhaps the whole article, totally fail to mention his immense impact on hard rock and heavy metal music?
:You're right, this section is exceedingly weak. "There's something about Hendrix's playing that was truly his own" sounds like the best effort of a know-nothing 15-year-old trying to come up with something for a homework assignment. Surely we can do better than this to honor Jimi's legacy? ==ILike2BeAnonymous 21:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed. i'll expand it a bit. Joeyramoney 00:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impact on music 

message: In the article it says:
Then on May 3, 1969 Hendrix was arrested at Toronto International Airport after heroin was found in his luggage. Hendrix argued in his defense that the drugs were slipped into his bag by a fan without his knowledge, and he was acquitted on that basis.
However, on the FBI file which is an external link on the article it says that the drug discovered on him was Marijuna, not Heroine.
: All of the books and media I have here (alot) say he was arrested for posession of both heroin and hashish (hash is a psychedelic derivative of marijuana).  The FBI file doesn't have the actual arrest papers from the Toronto bust, it just mentions them honoring a request from Canada to provide his US arrest sheet so they could deport him.  The document which mentions this was dated four days after the arrest, so perhaps the lab results identifying the smack weren't conveyed to the FBI at that time.  Perhaps Canada has released their documents on Hendrix or perhaps they have a FOIA process that allows the Canadian public to obtain such records.  --69.143.57.75 02:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toronto Arrest information 

message: I've noticed that Ellen McIlwane's name made it back into the article. Who is she? Why is her name in this article? Aren't there hundreds of musicians that played with Hendrix that should be mentioned before her?
:Look her up on the web if you haven't already. She was actually quite well known back in the 60s, and a lot of us old farts remember her. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 01:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I want my name in the Jimi Hendrix article on Wikipedia 

message: It is a lie that Hendrix claimed to be gay to get out the army. Check smokinggun.com and search the archives. They have the army documents. It was Bruce Springsteen who claimed to be gay to avoid being drafted to Vietnam. Also Jimmy Page never saw Hendrix play-this is another myth. He has been quoted as saying he was mostly in America trying to get the then fledgling Led Zeppelin off the ground when Hendrix hit the big time in London. Have heard Page apparently saw him in a club somewhere in the US towards the end of his life-but Hendrix was so stoned-he thought it wasn't worth introducing himself. As to Hendrix injecting himself with peanut butter and heroin in the temple the night he died-has got to be rubbish. Hendrix had a phobia of needles. He was a drug user rather than a drug addict like many other people in the 60's. --Anon-London 10/05/06
:The article doesn't directly state that Hendrix claimed to be gay, it says that Charles Cross alleges this in his book. For decades, it was considered fact that Jimi's departure from the Army stemmed from an ankle injury, since that was the story he told reporters. The SmokingGun documents reveal the proven truth that it was instead due to his behavior. Cross has added to this the theory that Hendrix faked being gay, based on comments Hendrix made to friends that Cross interviewed and based on additional Army documents that he obtained copies of from a collector. A second edition of the Cross book now includes images of these documents, but because they are copies from someone's collection and not from a government FOIA request, the validity of the documents is still in question. The article takes pains to present all of this in the proper fashion, citing the proven information as fact while presenting the Cross allegations appropriately.  --Zig 14:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Miscellaneous misconceptions

message: I'd like to take topical subsections like Fender Stratocaster, Amplifiers & effects, Drug use, and Paternity and mix them into the timeline of Hendrix's life. Right now they're just thrown in after Death like a hodge-podge, and I think this long article will flow better if the topicals were interspersed throughout the timeline as short breaks from the story instead of being piled together at the end.  Any thoughts on this?  --Zig 14:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mixing topical subsections into the timeline 

message: The fact about Jimi Hendrix not being able to read/write music ("who did not read or write sheet music") was removed, does anyone think it's worth restoring?  Do all rock musicians lack the ability to read and write music? DrIdiot 02:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all, but many. I agree with the edit, and think that the editor put it best:  it's "non-notable for a rock musician".  --Zig 14:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: forn someone of his talent, it strikes me as quite notable. an article does not benefit from the removal of one briefly mentioned fact that can be verified (this logic has never been fully explained to me), so i am restoring it. Joeyramoney 03:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is extremely common for musicians (particularly electric guitarists) to be untrained in writing/reading musical notation.  Musical notation doesn't really lend itself to playing the guitar, particularly because there are several ways to play a given note on a guitar (unlike, for example, on a piano), and musical notation does not specify how a particular chord or note is to be voiced, it only shows which notes are played.  Chord symbols and Tablature are much more convenient and efficient for guitarists.  Classical guitarists are an exception, as they are all taught to sight-read, but we all know Jimi Hendrix is self-taught.  It is also not necessary to know musical notation in order to transpose songs to other keys, learn scales, and to understand various other facets of music theory. -oOo-WhiskeyClone-oOo- 16:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't read/write music 

message: Its seems everything in this article regarding Hendrix and race is just superstition, there are no quotes, no sources.  Hendrix did not write this info himself, and 1st hand research is not allowed even if you have a phd in jimi hendrix geneology.  All these things regarding Hendrix and race need sources, evidence and proof otherwise it is all just superstition subject to vandalism.  And please use reputable cites, not geocities or any other crap like that —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dualldual (talk • contribs) 22:41 27 May 2006.
:http://genealogyblog.com/celebrity-genealogy/jimi-hendrix-ancestry-included-in-room-full-of-mirrors-4477 .  PS you do know how to sign off properly, right?  and you couldn't bother to do a simple google to verify that the information was in fact true?  In case you think "Room Full of Mirrors" isnt reputable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401300286/103-7454969-2062207?v=glance&n=283155 Next time you make an edit, make sure you know something about the actual topic before you start removing material that you feel, unjustifiably, is "superstition". DrIdiot 21:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So I take it you can't read? (Books, that is. Remember those things? They're made out of, oh, what's that stuff called? oh, yeah, that's right, "paper".) ==ILike2BeAnonymous 06:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The amazon reference was so you could go buy the book and read it since it's the source.  You know, not everything is on a nice official page on the internet. DrIdiot 02:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superstition and race 

message: it seems that people think of his sheer talent more than his overall influence. one does not necesarily have to be talented to be influential, but he certainly was. the last time i put up "..widely considered among the most talented..." alongside "influential", someone took it down, and i have no clue why. the fact is that he is thought of as highly talented, not just overall important, so it's going back in. Joeyramoney 03:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  second sentence 

message: I have heard from several reliable sources (in person) that Hendrix had an enormous penis and that a plaster cast was made and there are dildos. I was hoping that by adding it to the article someone could help me find a source. It was not meant to be vandalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elcella (talk • contribs) 04:24, 4 June 2006.
:Don't know about Jimi's member size, except if you put anything like that in the article, I'll remove it in a nanosecond. So far as plaster casts go, yes, there was a woman who was famous for making plaster casts of all sorts of rock musician's penises; just google "plaster caster rock music" to find her. But it sure as hell doesn't belong in the article. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 06:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not?  The Plaster Casters is a pop culture story, all the Hendrix books mention his partaking in it, and plenty of Hendrix biographers have interviewed women who attested to his generous proportions. What's the problem? --Zig 20:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: true. if it's verifiable, this could go under trivia or something, but removing verifiable information in NO WAY adds to an article (i have never been remotely able to grasp this logic). Joeyramoney 02:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think info on this can be found at www.cynthiaplastercaster.com someone else can do the research though ;-) Ezy Rider 12:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  penis size 

message: I mean I have seen some pretty lame articles, and this genius is not one of them...whats up with that? somebody please tell me this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.189.99.161 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 4 June 2006 .
See Wikipedia:Featured_articles and Wikipedia:What_is_a_featured_article - featured articles has to do with how well written the article is DrIdiot 22:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this GOD not in a featured article?? 

message: Al Hendrix simply redirected to this article, so I've de-linked it for now. If there's enough info on him to write a full article, by all means go ahead. -- 201.78.233.162 12:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Al Hendrix

message: Hendrix isn't R&B. I cannot think of one hendrix R&B song. I will take R&B off if no one speaks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
:Hendrix played plenty of R&B songs - before he became a famous rock guitarist.  That genre is listed because Hendrix played in a number of R&B backup bands (most notably the Isley Brothers) before his more famous solo career began in 1966. His guitar work was notably featured on the two part Isley R&B hit "Testify" in 1965, and most of his pre-Experience recordings consist of lively R&B rhythm and lead work. --Zig 16:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  R&B? 

message: Someone changed "traveled" to "travelled".  I'm leaving it, as both are acceptable spellings, but what's wikipedia's policy on alternate spellings? DrIdiot 19:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's region specific.  I was just pointing it out, and then asking a question that I needed clarification on.  Because usually when I see a British spelling I leave it. DrIdiot 20:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: To clarify: Commonwealth English should be used for Commonwealth-related articles. If the subject is neutral, the language should follow that used by the original contributor. Deltabeignet 08:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "travelled" 

message: He actually did play piano, youtube search "hendrix piano" and you will find him playing piano for an unfinished song, "Valleys of Neptune".
Did he ever play piano or keyboard. In which songs, because i have plenty of his songs and I always thought he only played guitar.
::Hendrix played a harpsichord on "Burning of the Midnight Lamp", a primitive synthesizer keyboard on a pre-Woodstock studio recording of "The Star Spangled Banner", and a primitive drum machine and synthesizer on an early demo of "Angel" known as "Sweet Angel".  On the purple box set, you can hear all three of these, including a segment of Hendrix tinkering with the harpsichord parts during the development of "Burning of the Midnight Lamp".  Since in Hendrix's day these instruments were very large, rare, and confined to the studio, you won't see footage of Hendrix playing a piano in concert like Axl Rose, and I doubt he'd choose to play keys onstage either. He was more into just achieving the sound he was looking for during the studio sessions, and if that meant tinkering with a keyed instrument, then so be it.  I haven't heard any recording of Hendrix playing a plain old piano, but it's certainly feasible.  I'll check with the Hendrix-philes on ElectricSkyChurch - that's an interesting question...  --Zig 02:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  piano/keyboard?? 

message: This is a huge article.  Is there any way to break out some of this info onto other pages? An idea: On the Johnny Cash page, I took all of the list-oriented info and created a "Johnny Cash lists" article.  I can see on this page that the bulk is prose. Still, I recommend that you think about it. -- 67.116.253.187 18:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly Jimi Hendrix was important, but that doesn't mean we have to write his biography. Currently this article is more than twice as long as Mozart's article and is, in fact, one of the longest articles in all of Wikipedia. Even Hitler's article is smaller. In my opinion this article needs to be significantly edited down in order to be a readable encyclopedia entry. Kaldari 06:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is over 100K? 

message: The Charles Cross book details this story very well.  Jimi retrieved the battered guitar from the trash after a neighborhood child had thrown it away.  The child was part of the foster home that Leon was living in.  Jimi would hang out and eat there often, since there was never much food at the Hendrix household.  Cross' chapter came from interviews with Leon and others close to the Hendrix family, like Delores Hall and Freddie Mae Gautier.  I reverted the $5 story to keep the article clean, so to avoid a revert war, just post any related discussion here. Let's hash it out here before editing.  --Zig 19:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story of Jimi's first guitar... 

message: Could someone more knowledgeable than I add something in about the different Electric Ladyland covers? Ezy Rider 12:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Electric Ladyland cover

message: This article is atrocious. Spelling and use of grammar is too casual, the article is biased and opinonated, the decision to lock this article is highly justifiable and somebody who knows what they are doing needs to edit it, not Jimi Hendrix internet fans.
I do not wish to patronise ((sic!) (I'm British)) anybody here but Wikipedia is a media form that is designed to be edited at an academic level not at a lamens level.  This means that no-matter how much you think you may know about the subject material, if you do not fall into this catagory you should probably save it for a blog or your own google page.
The article is FAR too big, this is because concpiracy theorists and amateur biographers want to add their own two-pence (two-cents) worth which just can't happen.
Sorry to patroniSe you.
:I (mostly) agree and sympathiZe with you; until Wikipedia drops its pretense and conceit that it can be both editable by anyone and a reputable source of information, thought, it's not likely to improve; as you've noted, any idiot can drop in here and leave their mark on the article (and they often do!). For someone who does know whereof they speak, on the other hand, check out "Zig"'s edits; he (I'm assuming gender here) is actually knowledgable enough about the subject to write (or at least contribute to) and encyclpEDIA-quality article. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 01:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: General Comments

message: Pronoun issue: 'Jimi's paternal grandfather, Bertran Philander Ross Hendrix, was the son of a former slave and the white merchant who once owned her.' --—Preceding unsigned comment added by  70.231.128.103 (talk • contribs) 
:Why not go ahead and fix it? (Assuming this information is correct, that is.) ==ILike2BeAnonymous 04:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bertran Hendrix was the son, Bertran's mother was a slave, Bertran's father was the 'white merchant' slave owner.  When I originally wrote this, it had a different, clear wording - someone came by and changed it a while back.  I remember letting it be, so as to not be arguementative over trivial shit, and it didn't seem gramatically wrong, but that's easy to say when you know the details already.  I'll fix it up tomorrow. (yawn)  --69.143.57.75 05:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronoun issue (Jimi's slave heritage) 

message: I wonder why there are so many photographs of Jimi with a right-hand guitar strings not turned upside down. I have been told that these photos are just posing or for example tv playback sessions. But why there are so many of similar ones? In many of those he seems like he is actually playing. He must have been a helluva poser, right? 
Recently I saw a picture of him playing (right-hand) Fender Jaguar. Is it possible that he could also play right-hand guitar wrong way? For solo playing that is not a huge problem, but for his typical "jazz chords" (-9 or whatever) that would cause difficulties. I´ve tried it myself and Hendrix-music played that way does not make sense.
(61.68.164.252 17:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hendrix and right-hand guitar with strings upside down? 

message: This article is among the 25 longest articles in the entire English Wikipedia that is not primarily a list. Here are a few of the other 25 longest articles: History of western civilization, Vietnam War, First English Civil War, Anti-Semitism, Race, The Holocaust. Hmmm, methinks Jimi Hendrix is perhaps out of place in this list. Here are my suggestions:
#Either remove the "Family origins" section completely or edit it down to only what is directly relevent to Jimi Hendrix (which might be a couple sentences).
#Move the discography to a separate article.
#Axe the "Collector's items" and edit down the Trivia section significantly (or remove it entirely). This is an encyclopedia, not a trivia repository.
#Edit down the youth and military service sections. The article should concentrate on his career as a musician (since that is why he is notable), not his entire life story.
#Edit down the intro. Standard practice is 2 or 3 paragraphs for the intro.
If this article isn't significantly smaller in the next week, I'll be back to perform some lobotomies. Kaldari 23:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey now, that's a nice little attitude you got there. Your condescension really inspires people to contribute and your threatening tone certainly makes Wikipedia a better place. How bout this:  I'll work on mitigating the largesse of the article, while you make some 'tweaks' to your manners and behavior, mmkay?  --Zig 16:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. I tried editing down the article myself, but got reverted and accused of "lobotomizing" :) I was trying to be sarcastic more than condescending. Didn't mean to come across as a dick though. Thanks for the edits. It's looking much better already. Kaldari 18:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we all caught that: I was the one who likened your chopping to a lobotomy, and as I said in my edit summary, invited you to do more judicious cutting. By the way, always remember Tom Waits' take on that subject: I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. +ILike2BeAnonymous 19:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly I thought the article could use a good lobotomy :) I did a bit of editing on this article over a year ago (back when it was 30K instead of 100+K). This was the first time I had looked at it since then and I was amazed at how incredibly tedious and unreadable the article had become. I actually ran across it in the long pages list, where it stuck out like a sore thumb. I'll try to be more judicious in the future, although, honestly, I think this article needs some fairly radical changes. Kaldari 19:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Would anyone object if I deleted the Collector's Items section? It is completely unencyclopedic (consisting of nothing but trivia), and takes up 5 paragraphs. Kaldari 22:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I would object to that - Hendrix collectibles often break records when they are sold (most ever paid for a guitar or rock memoribilia item, etc.), and many are on display, so this is important to the story of his legacy and a reason why folks would look him up. --Zig 15:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing down the article 

message: Hey. Anybody interested in categorizing themselves as a Jimi fan can add  (shown below this message) to their user page(s), or Category:Wikipedians who listen to Jimi Hendrix. Enjoy. Editor19841 (talk) 23:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair use images are not allowed on user pages. The image in that userbox will need to be changed in order to avoid violating fair use policy. Kaldari 00:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedian Fans 

message: There seems to be dispute over how Hendrix was discharged from the military. Most sources say that he recieved an honorable medical discharge for breaking his ankle. In our subarticle Early life of Jimi Hendrix we strongly suggest that this was a fabrication and that Hendrix was actually discharged for behavioral problems (although we don't actually state one way or another what he was actually discharged for). It seems to me that if we are going to make such a serious charge, we should really make sure that we can back it up with proof. Right now we have only circumstantial evidence. Given that other prominent sources (including Britannica) follow the medical discharge story, perhaps we should tone down our stance in that article until someone can produce reasonable proof, i.e. his actual discharge record. Kaldari 19:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the story behind this: For decades, it was considered fact that Jimi's departure from the Army stemmed from an ankle injury, since this was the story he told reporters. The 2005 SmokingGun documents are his actual discharge papers, and they reveal the proven truth that Hendrix's discharge was instead due to his behavior. In his 2005 book, Charles Cross has added to this the theory that Hendrix faked being gay during psychiatric evaulations - this was based on comments Hendrix made to friends that Cross has interviewed and based on additional Army documents which he viewed and obtained copies of from a collector. A second edition of the Cross book now includes actual images of these documents, but because they are copies from someone's collection and not from a government FOIA request, the validity of the 'faked being gay' documents is still in question. In the original 'big' article, I took pains to present all of this in the proper fashion, citing the proven information as fact while presenting the Cross allegations as such.  Now that we've splintered this off, I'll take a look at it again and fix it up, but the SmokingGun papers are much more than circumstantial evidence.  --Zig 17:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for taking the time to clear that up. I just wanted to make sure we weren't giving undue weight to unsubstnatiated allegations. Kaldari 18:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military discharge 

message: hey, does anyone know where i might be able to find The Title Songs? Thanks.--24.175.161.94 04:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no official Hendrix release with that name, nor have I ever heard of a bootleg with that name either.  The only item I can think of would be "Title #3", which was a one off studio take of an unfinished song that Jimi abandoned during the sessions for Are You Experienced.  There is no such thing as Title #2, Title #1, or Title #4 though, as those slots on the session log for that day were aptly named after the actual AYE tracks.  Since Jimi often jotted down Title #x on the log when he didn't have a name yet (a convention inspired by the blank log forms provided by Kramer), it's possible that other Title #x tracks exist, but I've never heard of them.  Got any other descriptive info, like a date or a lineup?  --Zig 14:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title Songs 

message: :The 2005 biography Room Full of Mirrors by Charles Cross claims that Hendrix faked being homosexual in order to be discharged. According to Cross, Hendrix was an avid anti-communist and did not leave the Army as a protest to the Vietnam War, but simply wanted out so he could focus on playing guitar.
This leaves the impression that Hendrix was not opposed (or maybe even supported) the Vietnam War. I'm sure someone more familiar with Hendrix than  I could follow this up with a different side of the story, maybe even with Hendrix' words. --A Sunshade Lust 00:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My impression is that he was not very imaginative political thinker at the beginning and was still supporting Vietnam war in 1967 believing in domino theory. But he later - probably influenced by some of his friends - started to take critical attitude towards the war. This of course is same kind of process that happened for many other americans too, so it does not really have to mean that Hendrix became more radical, but I don't know. --128.214.205.4 12:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hendrix on Vietnam 

message: I was listening to a rendition of Killing Floor, in Stockholm 1969. Before the set, Jimi says :"We’d like to also dedicate this show to Eva, who keeps sending roses but we never seen her before…she’s a goddess from Ansgard".  This is a reference to Eva Sundqvist, a woman with whom he had a child.  Wasn't sure what good this will be, but thought it worth while telling you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.237.55 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 28 September 2006
:Yes, this is a popular angle to the story among Hendrix fans, but it just doesn't seem profound enough to include in the article, kinda like a 'Too Much Information' (TMI) thing.  I'm actually tinkering with a MediaWiki based idea called "Jimipedia" where every last detail about Jimi can be recorded, but for Wikipedia, a reference like this would be TMI.  Thanks for contributing though - every bit helps.  --Zig 13:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Paternity

message: Does anyone know the source where it says Jimi burned Pete Townsend's guitar at the Monterey Pop Festival.  I have the Criterion DVD of the concert and it certainly appears that the guitar he burns is the one he's been playing for most of the show.  In the Charles Cross biography, he also states that Jimi spent a lot of time prior to the show painting pyschadelic swirls and whatnot on his guitar; the same one that he burned.  I'm changing it back to "his" guitar for now, unless someone can prove otherwise. Kraffenetti 18:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've read tons of Jimi related books and articles, and have never heard of the Monterey guitar belonging to Pete Townsend.  This is obviously a rumor or urban legend, and it's certain that the guitar he painted was the one he burned.  If you look at the shards that remain, you can see the paint designs and the words he wrote on the back.  Somewhere there is also a replica of the guitar (in it's pre-smashed state) that reproduces what the painted design and words looked like. --Zig 13:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rolling Stone Cover Photo