Talk:2006–2008 Cuban transfer of presidential duties

message: The Ros-Lehtinen section (apart from strangely allowing her to speak for the White House) said that Cuba must meet the "Heisenberg law" requirements. Other than the uncertainty principle I'm unable to find anything corroborating with this -- presumably she was speaking of the 1992 Cuban Democracy Act. If this is familiar to anyone, feel free to explicate, but I think it was just mistranscribed (some of the other writing suggested the editor did not have English as a first language). --Dhartung | Talk 15:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea what the Heisenberg law is. I believe you were correct to remove it. By the way, could users watch the info box of the Cuba page and List of Presidents of Cuba. Other users are insisting that Raul is now president - this is not the case he has merely assumed the duties as per constitution - no amount of reversions or explainations will suffice.--Zleitzen 15:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Heisenberg"? 

message: Here are some rumors I heard from a forum.
"I talked to some people in Cuba and apparently there's been some sort of mobilization of the CDRs.
They say Fidel will be back in a few weeks, and wants to celebrate his birthday then, with the Cuban people..
The U.S. might try to pull some sort of shit in the mean time, and so we need to alert.
The weird thing is that for the surgery he's getting, recovery is only a day or two (at most).. this could mean a few things.. like that he wants to lay back for two or three weeks to see how things function.. in preperation for the future when he won't be around any more."
"I'm hearing things that don't sound so good.. Apparently, "Granma" hasn't come out today, all flights in and out of Cuba are canceled, all Hotels are closed, police and military patrols are going on, and the Politburo has taken control of things temporarily. I'm also hearing that Fidel is in a medically induced coma."
"According to sources in the Island, the political climate in La Habana is one of "either a coup or a funeral." Hotels shut down because they are under government orders to reserve the rooms for them; meetings in all ministries with military officers presence; flights canceled and police and military patrols in certain areas of the capital not ussually showing this kind of presence...
Fidel is in a medically induced coma as of now...
The rumor mill is working overtime. However, according to "serious" people on the Island (everyone is trotting the line of their favorites) Fidel is dead and people are starting to line up either behind Raul or Lage. Alarcon is said to be very, very upset because he wasn't even mentioned for anything...
Perez Roque and Valenciaga are said to be playing a big role now as intermediates, really in favor of one of the candidates...
The State Council has been bypassed for the Politburo, an unexpected move that means Raul is firmly in power..."
Source
I'm not sure what to make of it all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.134.105.54 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 1 August 2006  (UTC)
:As you say - rumours.  As far as I could driving in Havana today, there were less police on the streets than in recent weeks.  In general the city continues as usual, but slightly muted, as most are concerned about what may happen. One hotel reported a lot of extra bookings as foreign journalists flew in. Granma was issued today, with Fidel's declaration covering the front page. A message from Fidel was read on the evening news. The Politburo has always been the main strategic forum. I doubt Lage will try to challenge Raul. (The were comments in AP about Raul's lack of appearance but Lage was not obvious on TV either - perhaps they are dead, too ? -- Beardo 07:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, regarding the rumors... I think it is important factual information to include that there exist lots of rumors about the president's possible death (personally I think they are bunk, let's get that out of the way now).  I see someone has just re-added it with a source, that is good.  I suspect it will be deleted, though, by people who say that rumors don't belong in an encyclopedia.  I do agree with that, but I think the widespread existence of rumors very much belongs in an encyclopedia.  Can we reach a concensus on the talk page so it doesn't just become a revert battle please?  --Jaysweet 14:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rumors should be handled with extra care, so as long as they are discussed in a major reliable source that's OK, but just including them or linking to highly partisan sources such as think tanks or whatnot is just not a good idea. --Dhartung | Talk 18:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is CNN.com a sufficently reliable source and non-partisan enough? ;) "Some in Florida speculated that the leader who has defied the United States for nearly half a century already could be dead" appears in the second paragraph of this article.  I'm not going to make the edit because I am very confident it will be deleted anyway by an overzealous WP:VERIFY enforcer, but if someone else would like to, go for it!  (And for the record, I think these rumors are stupid and uninformed—but I also think they are an important part of the story) --Jaysweet 18:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumors 

message: * Do not merge or remove this article. It is a neccessary link from a number of pages including the Raul Castro page and the Politics of Cuba series. It means that we don't have to keep repeating ourselves again and again on the up to 50 Cuban politics related articles. --Zleitzen 16:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which Castro article - Raul or Fidel? And there are over 50 Cuban political and historical articles. Also, see Reagan transfer of power, Bush transfer of power. This article is essential in any form. --Zleitzen 20:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, now that's a strong argument...  I think we do have a concensus that the article should stay for now -- but as far as what to do after, I don't know now.  I was in favor of merging if it didn't turn out to be a big deal, but the Bush transfer of power was so incredibly not a big deal in retrospect, and you point out that it has its own article...  heh, maybe those articles should be merged?  :) --Jaysweet 20:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: America again started to talk about democracy and human rights. I think they don't know that the Human Development Index of Cuba is higher than USA's HDI. America looks like a total comedy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.224.182.162 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 1 August 2006  (UTC)
:That's not true. The US's HDI is 0.13 points higher than that of Cuba. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 17:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The HDI has nothing to do with democracy and little to do with human rights, other than the most fundamental, so I don't see your point. Ddye 17:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: <sarcasm>Yeah, this "fact" should be put on the article page.  It's so obviously NPOV.  </sarcasm>  Seriously though, no offense, but why is this even on the talk page for this article?  This has nothing to do with the transfer of duties; it has to do with Cuba-United States relations. If you want to discuss it there, go for it, man... --Jaysweet 17:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And it doesn't necessarily belong there either. Talk pages are for discussing changes to the articles, not the actual subjects. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 17:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So I gotta admit, I'm a little new to Wikipedia... is it bad Wikiquette to just delete a whole section from the talk page?  --Jaysweet 17:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the jury's still out on that one. If it's blatantly insulting to the point of vandalism, it can be deleted; no problem. This topic, although irrelevant, is not all that damaging, and so I think it's okay to just leave it and move on (although I doubt too many people would object to its deletion). -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 17:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HDI 

message: We ought to have something about the Cuban reactions.  -- Beardo 08:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cuban reactions 

message: Two things.  It says it "as read by" the minister... well, was one version read by him in English?  Or is there a translating party that should mentioned?  Also, it didn't seem to be clearly sourced. gren グレン 11:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't address your first concern, but as for the second: I seem to remember reading this in one of the other references.  I'll rereference it. Chovain 12:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, so the reference was Granma, so I doubt we're going to find out who did the translation beyond that. Chovain 12:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: If there's no copyright problems could we add it to wikisource and link that to this article? -- ¡Viva la Revolución! PiMaster3 14:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, when Wikisource started up I was very hopeful it would fulfill that role-- a repository for primary source documents, especially newspaper articles from around the world (or excerpts up to copyright limit), but instead it looks like our own Project Gutenberg: Fiction, Poetry, etc.,. (and I thought Wikibooks was our Project Gutenberg). Although I do see one section that includes things like de Gaulle's Appeal of June 18, Woodrow Wilson's declaration of war on Germany, etc.,. Hmm, maybe... JDG 15:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's exactly what Wikisource is and should be for. The fact that it is misused isn't germane to whether it should be used for its intended purpose. --Dhartung | Talk 18:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I thought the concensus above was not to include the text, but someone put it back in. -- Beardo 16:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the concensus as per below was to dump any quotes or information concerning this event whether they are pasted straight from CNN written in journalese, are primary documents, or are a 10 line quote from the White House. Either we're trying to create a wikipedia article or we're reporting everything in the news, Beardo.--Zleitzen 18:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text of announcement 

message: I would like to point out that the Kommersant article alleging that Raul Castro has disappeared from the public spotlight also states that "Washington believes the two brothers to be dead," which, as far as I know, is patently false.
Unless the person who made the edit can provide another source, or somebody comes along at tells me that Kommersant is a reliable source for these sorts of things, I am going to delete that detail in about 30 minutes.  --Jaysweet 21:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I know I probably shoulda waited longer, but I gotta go.  Having a bunch of people over tonight for tacos and Mexican beer. :)  Anyway, I deleted it but, if true, I think that is a very interesting detail, and I would encourage someone to re-add it if they find a better source!  Thanks! --Jaysweet 22:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks good to me. --Jaysweet 17:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Raul showed up yesterday to greet Chavez, so missing no more. -- Beardo 23:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Kommersant [[WP:RS|reliable]] when they say Raul is missing?? 

message: I would suggest the most appropriate place for the text is on Wikisource, not Wikipedia. --Midnighttonight Remind me to do my uni work rather than procrastinate on the internet 04:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  statement of text 

message: The article doesn't make clear if Fidel is back in charge again.  Surely his recovery isn't taking that long.  --Alcuin 02:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Raul is still in charge.  Although Fidel received some visitors during the recent non-aligned summit, it was notable that he didn't make it to any functions, let alone make any speaches - Raul was the main Cuban speaker, plus Perez Roque, Alarcon. -- Beardo 02:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Raul still in charge? 

message: The article has been changed from "Raúl Castro is now assuming all of the presidential duties of the state" to "Raúl Castro is now discharging all of the presidential duties of the state". I don't know how that sounds to other users, but to me that sounds rather like Raúl is in the process of producing a rather painful shit on behalf of the Cuban state! Was there a particular problem with "assuming duties"? Here is the wording of the Cuban constitution (pun not intended)
Article 94: In cases of the absence, illness or death of the president of the Council of State, the first vice president assumes the president’s duties.
--Zleitzen 10:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (laughing) That's not how it should be viewed (still laughing). I do see what you mean however, what was meant is, Raul Castro is still discharging (executing or performing) the powers & duties of the Cuba Presidency. Perhaps a better word (in place of assuming) would be 'continuing'? 'assuming' means (in this case) 'to take power' which Raul already did (July 31). By saying he's assuming, make it appear as thought he's just taken powers. PS Thanks for the chuckle. GoodDay 16:57, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discharging

message: What about this - http://www.juventudrebelde.cu/UserFiles/Image/fotos-fidel/2007-01-30/fidel-castro-hugo-chavez-3.jpg ?
Or http://www.juventudrebelde.cu/UserFiles/Image/fotos-fidel/2007-01-30/fidel-castro-hugo-chavez-2.jpg ? -- Beardo 07:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New photos 

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thread_title: GAC comment

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message: I believe this article doesn't make sense anymore. Since Fidel has formally resigned and Raul was elected, perhaps this site should be more focused and more clearly laid out. Mikeonatrike (talk) 22:10, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's getting there.  A number of editors are changing this article to reflect events from 2006 to today and beyond.  You can help! -- JeffBillman (talk) 22:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This article doesn't make sense

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