Talk:Children of the Red King

message: The list of characters seems to be forgetting someone: The Red King! Why is he not listed? - Mdriver1981 (talk) 19:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The Red King

message: Whats that under the Children section?
Bad = Borath???
This isnt very good  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocket50 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Horrible!!

message: I merged these two pages for two reasons.  One was that their content was almost identical.  My second reason was that Wikipedia guidelines for fiction suggest that we should include information about characters with the book article if there is room. No offense intended. : ) Kam Tonnes 21:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge of Charlie Bone with Children of the Red King

message: In Ben's section, it says it should be noted that Paton said he may be a child of the Red King. The book says something like, "For all we know he could be a child of the Red King." He is not picking Benjamin specifically, just using him as an example.
I don't think he is endowed because neither of his parents are endowed and it never says anything about his more distant relatives.
—14:39, 28 February 2012‎ User:Hiyafromwhereever'''
There must be some reason why Ben is in the books though. He wasn't even in Book 3 barely or Book 4 and he hasnt really done much. I know he was the reason Charlie discovered he was endowed and played a part in Emma Tolly's escape, but he hasn't done anythng major. *Note: I haven't read Book 5 yet* --Rebeccarulz123 20:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe Billy had meant that, from the perspective of Rembrandt the rat, Runner Bean was "evil". As Billy is incredibly attached to Rembrandt, he echoed the sentiment. .nix (talk) 04:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Benjamin

message: I don't think we need some of the things that are in the Trivia section to stay.  If it is a British author, she's going to spell some words in the traditional British way.  I don't think we need to list the words she has spelled the British way.  Also, I don't think it's nessecary for us to say who's books she's reviewed. What does everyone else think?
-Hailey,12-29-06 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.227.158.43 (talk) 14:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:   I'll try and look some up when I have time, probably this weekend, thank you! --I Will Endure 00:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section Clean-up 

message: Charlie Bone turned twelve the week before the beginning of the first book (see pages 6 and 89). Given that Amazon got this wrong, I'm not willing to trust them that he was born on December 31, though it fits. The book opens the week after his birthday which is the second week of January. Given that in 2005, the first week of January was only two days, that makes sense, but he could just as well been born January 1 or 2.
I would be very interested in a reliable source (any of the books or Jenny Nimmo herself, preferably) specifying Charlie's actual birthday. -- General Wesc 20:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charlie Bone's age 

message: Is there a source for 'Williem', or even 'William'? I would assume 'Billy' is short for 'William', but I've no recollection of either spelling being mentioned in any of the books. -- General Wesc 02:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billy Raven's name 

message: I have added the release dates for the books, can anyone confirm them or add the ones I could not find! Chimufu 07:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Dates 

message: If you are a fan of the books can you help make links to the different characters of this book. Also can you help add information to the character links. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rkyne (talk • contribs) 12:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Help

message: :2012-04-30. User:P64 working in green deletes 33,000 bytes from this section.
If you don't like what i did here is the original page. [. . .]
—23 June 2007 User:DMF42
: That heading and one line begin the insertion of 33,955 bytes. DMF42 signed only once (#Benjamin). I have "signed" twice (immediately above) which covers all except the 33,900 bytes or so that I will now delete.
:I suppose that DMF42 was not the author of this material but a wikipedia beginner who copied "the original" here before revising it, so that another editor would be able to restore it "if you don't like what I did". DMF42 did make three edits that day (almost 1400 edits back in the history!).
Three other editors contributed to section "Hello". 
* (14:18, 11 July 2007 tweaks by 86.153.132.65)
* [immediately after the veryverylong summary of book one]
:: Excuse me, but I believe that there is already a page that summarizes the books. It's very, very kind of you, but we don't need a summary of the books. Also, the "hello" page is a large waste of time. There is also a page that tells about the characters and whether they are good or bad. What you typed is very close together, and I don't believe that anyone will take their time to read this article. I don't mean to speak unkindly, but please delete this article as soon as you can. - Duchess Elisabeth —22:58, 24 November 2007‎ 165.91.164.192 (evidently just before login as DE)
* [at the end] 
:::Is there anything in the Wikipedia Talk Guidelines that would justify the removal of this block of pointless text? I didn't see anything and I'm tempted to deleted all of this as it is cluttering up the talk page. Anyone who wanted the information found here could find it on the talk page history anyway. .nix (talk) 04:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello 

message: Is horrible; no offense. There isn't supposed to be ! anywhere, opinions, or reviews copied from other websites, let alone reviews. Who wrote this? I'll try to fix it up. icelandic hurricane #12 (talk) 14:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Quality

message: I do not think that the section "Charlie's Family Tree", is needed. Also, it doesn't have too much of an important presence and the section is too long. A lot of the people in Charlie's family tree don't even show up in the books.
Whoever wrote this, no offense, but some people think the Family Tree is quite intresting. The family tree doesn't show up in some books so it's quite a surprise to know about Charlie Bone's Family Tree. Duchess Elisabeth
: The Family Tree is interesting and useful, especially as a quick reference while reading the books. I do agree that it is much too long. I would suggest moving it to it's own article and also formatting it (if possible) to make it easier to read. .nix (talk) 21:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charlie's Family Tree 

message: I think you should put a bigger article about the children of the Red King.Cheeseballface 19:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children of the Red King  

message: A change needs to be made, in my opinion, to the character list: The whole good/bad thing describing whether a character is a protagonist or an antagonist is ticking me off. Some people have changed sides or aren't even in the books anymore. It should either be cleaned up, or we should make a new page for the characters, as the section is already very long. 
And... whoever wrote the section(s) under "Hello" on the discussion pages, no offense, but try to limit yourself next time. 70.246.74.197 (talk) 17:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Whether or not a character is on the "good" or "bad" side (assuming they are on any side at all) should be explained in the character's brief profile. Anything more would be superfluous. I also agree about the length of character section. I think it needs to be moved to a separate article or possibly two separate articles, with one for the main characters and one for the minor/supporting characters. .nix (talk) 20:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character List Problems 

message: Why don't we have anything about the 7th book on here except the title? A brief summary of what we know about this book would be pleasant Mr. chicken III (talk) 01:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  7th Book 

message: excuse me, but Charlie does not play the piano in the first book, he plays the recorder  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.115.83.222 (talk) 18:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  trivia section 

message: The page rabbled on, to be honest, and far too much space was devoted to explaining and describing characters that probably will never appear again, despite them having a prime role in one book (Yolanda Yewbeam and Christopher Crowquill spring to mind). I have, therefore, taken the liberty of creating a new page, entitled 'Characters in Children of the Red King'. This lists all of the characters in the books, and only Main characters are listed in the actual article. Hopefully, I'll have time to improve the reading quality of the article later on, so that more space is devoted to the actual plot as opposed to the article. If we added the plot's then there would be no need to have such long character descriptions, hence we could only state their name, age, endowment(if applicable), and they're role in the books(i.e, Emma Tolly, 12, Flight. Emma was originally hypnotised by Manfred, but after the spell was broken she became a part of the core group.) Also, I have removed characters from the main page who I feel do not play a significant part in the current story, and haven't appeared for a while, i.e. Belle, Naren, Zelda. When the series is finished, and the story resolved, we can go back and revise who played a more important part in the story, or just delete character descriptions from main page and move them to character page.
Or maybe one of you could do it :P  Hope you like it , Asf08 (talk) 19:33, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Page Layout 

message: As another editor requested four years ago I have deleted most of section #Hello, a copy of "the original", with careful notes in green; in effect, a manual "undo".
At the same, in the code I have replaced all triple and quadruple blank lines (many) with two blank lines. I have replaced two blanks with one only before and after section headings because I see that multiple blanks sometimes distinguish unsigned comments by different people. 
At the same time I believe I have highlighted in boldface, and simply signed where that may be useful, all contributions to the discussion since July 2009. --only four 2012 and one 2010; all other revisions since 2009 are either limited to the banners or robotic (of course my work is errorprone).
Another editor may be able to take more time (or less time? this took a while) and usefully WP:archive part of this page. --P64 (talk) 20:19, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Must the Family Tree by User:.nix 2008-02-07 be displayed at the foot of the page? If so then it should be moved to subpage (archived, in effect). --P64 (talk) 20:26, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fix this talk page? 

message: Its remarkable that the original climax, book five, has the least Plot Summary. Where these books were reviewed, probably in school teacher and librarian publications, this book should have received more or more serious attention than most others. --P64 (talk) 19:37, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 5, Charlie Bone and the Hidden King 

message: Kirkus reviewed the second book of this new series harshly (as harshly as any review i have seen, but i see only books by authors with biographies here, mainly books with articles here).
* "THE STONES OF RAVENGLASS by Jenny Nimmo". Kirkus Reviews 15 May 2012
(quote) "A prequel spun off from the Charlie Bone series slogs through a second episode hobbled by an unwieldy cast, a Eurocentric attitude, and convenient magic that overcomes all obstacles without much ado. ... 
Nimmo endows her protagonist with such overwhelming powers that all the threats and tasks with which he is faced are but momentary challenges, ... 
the author repeatedly dubs him a generic “African” ... 
(end quote)
recommended (or not) for ages 10 to 12 
P.S. search "jenny nimmo" at Kirkus Reviews
* Only one other Red King review is available, plausibly because K reviewed none but the first. "MIDNIGHT FOR CHARLIE BONE by Jenny Nimmo". Kirkus Reviews 15 December 2002. (quote) "Charlie’s adventure adds up to a formulaic, thinly disguised placeholder for the next Harry Potter; a far cry from Nimmo’s eerie, atmospheric Griffin's Castle (1997)." 
* There are contemporary reviews of The Snow Spider and its sequels and I'll try to use in our article. 
--P64 (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronicles of the Red King (prequel) 

message: Substituted at 11:30, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment