Talk:Ryan Holle

message: Leaving myself a note -- some details of the prosecution of the case are given here  -- Kendrick7talk 23:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good overview of events here -- Kendrick7talk 00:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, expansion from those sources complete -- Kendrick7talk 02:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External link

message: It seems unjust; giving someone a car to perform a burglary is not the same as giving someone a car to perform a murder.  Was there no appeal?  Toby Douglass (talk) 13:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is sick.--SidiLemine 14:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: There does appear to be some sort of appeal going on, per this PDF document but there's no information in it beyond that. -- Kendrick7talk 23:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appeal? 

message: I read the New York Times article maybe a week ago, and I assume this article doesn't significantly predate that (very little other information)?  Is this really a notable person/event?  It's perhaps an example of the effects of the felony murder rule, but this guy's not Mumia Abu-Jamal. 71.194.163.223 (talk) 14:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Some guy commited a crime and got life imprisonment... where's the notability?  Maybe if this were the first time it was used or causing a big uproar in the country or somebody was taking it to the Supreme Court... but right now it's just some guy who got life imprisonment.  Doesn't seem notable to me.  -CumbiaDude (talk) 18:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you retarded. Lending your car to someone is a crime? Thank the loving lord of tits that I don't live in America. This page is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in the history of the world. Jesus Christ. And look at the people saying "is this even notable". Meaning what, this kind of thing happens all the time. I like how in your "Constitution" which supposedly guarantees your freedoms there's a clause against "cruel and unusual punishment" but your prosecutors see nothing wrong with putting someone in prison for LIFE because they lent their car to someone. It's ridiculous. It's the worst thing I've ever heard. Worse than the Holocaust.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.108.189 (talk) 13:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

text: The United States of America: Land of the Free, where they lock people in cages. 207.237.211.236 (talk) 03:03, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable? 

message: "As the prosecutor David Rimmer explained: "No car, no murder."[1] The victim's father, Terry Snyder, concurred: "It never would have happened unless Ryan Holle had lent the car. It was as good as if he was there.""
I'd like to reply to this father: "no weapon, no murder". Following this twisted logic of that horrific "felony rule", the prosecutor should have also gotten after the manufacturer of the weapon. How about that?
76.26.248.103 (talk) 21:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father's opinion relevant? 

message: The current article lead assumes the case of the prosecution, and needs to be fixed. -- Kendrick7talk 02:30, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: We have to go by what's in reliable independent sources. He was convicted of something. If you have a reliable source disputing the conviction or his testimony feel free to include it. Candleabracadabra (talk) 06:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and find no bias. I removed the tag. MartinezMD (talk) 00:14, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: See http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/legislature/man-serving-life-for-giving-his-car-to-killers-will-remain-in-prison-for/2209688 for info. If somebody wants they can create prose for the article. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:12, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holle lost bid for clemency in December.