Talk:Carlos Loyzaga

message: Carlos Loyzaga's Individual Award was never called FIBA World Championship All-Star and FIBA Asia Championship All-Star ... the term FIBA Asia Championship All-Star alone clashes with the FIBA Asia All-Star events that took place from 1997 to 2000... Loyzaga's award is always called Mythical Five ... its not excuses... its presenting the proper name of the award... --peads (talk) 09:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mythical Five 

message: The original listing of 4 children has led to widespread misinformation, Caloy has 5 children, Joaquin/Chito, Ernesto/Joey, Carmen/Princess, Teresa and Carla/Bing and caused distress to the family, including Caloy.
Please stop reverting these changes.
http://www.gameface.ph/showthread.php?28854-Carlos-Loyzaga-The-Great-Difference lists the nicknames of the 5 children as they were known in 1972 in the book "Philippine Sports Greats"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray Loyzaga (talk • contribs) 01:27, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Five Children not Four 

message: Can anyone source his children? The source I've duplicated on the applicable line states 4 children, but another editor is claiming a fifth, a daughter Carmen known as Princess. Meters (talk) 01:29, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The source you listed in your previous post is a user-generated blog and thus is not an acceptable source. Please read WP:RS, particularly WP:USERGENERATED. As I already said on your talk page, if you have an reliable source that lists five children, than add it to the article yourself and list the fifth child. As I also said, I don't have access to the book. Thus I can't verify the information or add the source (or the purported fifth child) to the article myself. All I can do is use the sources we have in the article, which state that there were 4 children. Meters (talk) 02:40, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: As for the new ref you have provided in this thread, why don't you just add it to the article yourself? It supports the fact that there are 5 children, even if it does not name them. Meters (talk) 02:59, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You are kidding right? You've deleted every comment I've ever made, why should I have confidence that you wouldn't delete the next one? Why should I have confidence that you would accept the last reference when you have found issues with all the previous ones? None of the original Wikipedia article references explicitly mention that they are naming all the children. The only statement in those references was "Loyzaga is the father of former basketball players Chito and Joey, as well as actresses Bing and Teresa." Which is naming Caloy's "famous" children, not all his children. Why on Earth did you delete it rather than asking politely for more information? I would have sent you an image from Bing's facebook page where she reposts a letter from Princess to her Dad that states: "Thank you for getting upset when reporters wrote about your 4 children, neglecting to mention your Princess". This really shouldn't have been that hard. Ray Loyzaga (talk) 03:28, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: With regard to the reference to the book "Philippine Sports Greats", Google books provides a search mechanism for all the books they have scanned.So if you type "Philippine sports greats princess" into a books.google.com search box it will return a snippet of page 220: "Augmenting the Loyzaga tribe were Cachito, their eldest, Russo, Princess, Duchess, and Bingbing. Meanwhile, all of Caloy's relatives, including his mother, migrated to Australia. Caloy chose to stay because he felt that it was in this country ..." which is exactly as reported by the first citation I gave.Ray Loyzaga (talk) 03:41, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The line had no sources. When I found a source on another paragraph that verified someof hte information I copied the ref and restored as much information as could be verified from that ref. There are no refs in the article that state there were 5 children (in fact at least 1 explicitly says there were 4 children). I've asked you repeatedly to add your new refs to the article to substantiate the fifth child and her name. Do it or don't. Up to you. I've tagged the name with a cn for now. If it isn't sourced it will likely eventually be removed by someone. Meters (talk) 04:12, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

text: "citeds sources state only 4 children, and no mention of Carment" There is a difference between "state" and "mention", the listed citations mention some of his children, they don't explicitly state that they are talking about all his children. Hence your comment is in error. And her name is Carmen, not CarmentRay Loyzaga (talk) 04:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The "t" typo was fixed a full 20 minutes before you pointed it out here. Fine, the aources only "list" or "mention" 4 names. I'll change it, but since you  have a source that gives her name, just add it. As I explained on your talk page, I'm not going to do it because it appears that she has shunned publicity. Meters (talk) 05:47, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children 

message: This article has been reclassified as a start due to its level of detail. Capitalistroadster (talk) 04:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Reclassified as a start

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