Talk:Charley horse

message: In the 'Other languages' section of the article, there's a reference to 'Central Italy' and it links to a page called 'Water Buffalo', which I assume that people in Central Italy don't actually say 'Water Buffalo', they would say something more in their own language/dialect, which isn't going to be English. Would someone be able to  update this with verifiable information?
2601:2C6:4003:E9C6:3D19:89EC:C5F9:E6DC (talk) 06:43, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Water Buffalo? 

message: This article weaves cramps, spasms, bruising (contusion), and paraesthesia (pins-and-needles) into a confusing narrative. It needs major revision 14.202.132.63 (talk) 00:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention lines like "The condition is popular among hockey players." No, nothing at all wrong with that sentence. --Elmyr (talk) 23:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

text: This is why every category of article needs someone with good sense, or editorial experience, or even what Larry used to call "expertise". --Uncle Ed (talk) 13:34, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bizarre 

message: I believe the term contusion is incorrect.  The muscle spasms from the impact and can contract into a "cramp".  This isn't a contusion where blood leaves the local vessels from either an immune response or from damage.  So I think it is more accurate to call this a impact induced spasm of the quad.  Thoughts?
:Howto section on treatment removed per wiki guidlines and contusion changed to muscle spasm.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.173.158.201 (talk) 22:28, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spasm not contusion 

message: Second paragraph says "The term "charley horse" should never be used to describe simple painful muscle cramps in the leg or foot, especially those that follow strenuous exercise, this is simply a cramp.[5][6][1]"
However the cited pages all say that a charlie horse IS a leg cramp..
Ref #5: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=charley+horse
"S: (n) charley horse, charley-horse (a muscular cramp (especially in the thigh or calf) following vigorous exercise) "
Ref #6: http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cns_hl_dorlands_split.jsp?pg=/ppdocs/us/common/dorlands/dorland/two/000019860.htm
"charley horse (chahr´le hors)   popular term for soreness and stiffness in a muscle, especially the quadriceps femoris muscles, due to overstrain or contusion."
Ref #1: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-cha1.htm
"It refers to a painful involuntary cramp in an arm or leg muscle, usually that of an athlete, as a result of a muscular strain or a blow."
How did the page come to say that a charlie horse *shouldn't* be considered a cramp when all three sources say the exact opposite?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neoform (talk • contribs) 05:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "A is a B" does not necessarily mean that "B is an A". A 'Charley Horse' is one kind of a cramp - one caused by a blow. There are other kinds of cramp ! --87.194.174.252 (talk) 11:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misquoted reference 

message: maybe have a technical section and a laymans explanation
Layman's explanation:
Excuse my ignorance, but is all this medical gobbldegook merely describing a corked thigh?
A corkie? Is THAT all this is?
::I imagine the questioner is not American. This sounds like another name for what in years past was called a "charley horse" in the US. Sfahey 03:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would also like to see this article in less technical terms.  Maybe something that wasn't copied from About.com? PrometheusX303 01:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Before making such accusations of plagiarism, consider the alternative: your alleged "source," one of many sites who pilfer wiki-work, is the plagiarist here, .Sfahey 15:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  MY apologies, Sfahey.  I may have been a bit hasty with that.  I can see that this article was not directly copied, but seems to be written originally.  AAMOF, I looked at the copyright info, and either it wasn't there before, or I failed to see this: This is the "GNU Free Documentation License" reference article from the English Wikipedia  I will lean towards the latter. PrometheusX303 22:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  can we get a laymans explanation 

message: The link to answerbag.com seems not very reputable. What does it add to the article? It only seems to be a site that lets people write in their answers to questions -- not up to Wikipedia's standards, seemingly. I will be bold and remove the link. -Phoenixrod 08:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with you on this one.  Read the "answers" to this question.  Two are correct, but the "top answer" is wrong.  PrometheusX303 13:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: answerbag.com link

message: I assessed this article B class. The article still needs a much clearer lead.  Some specific comments.  The term is still very much in use in North America, where it refers two different things:
# In my experience it is not used for a contusion of the quadriceps muscle, but rather refers to a cramp of that muscle during sports play;  I have seen it often in soccer players.  
# The other use refers to a sudden excruciating cramp that usually occurs at night, during sleep, and in the calf muscle.  This causes the person to abruptly wake and leap (or try to leap) out of bed.
--Una Smith (talk) 20:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's Australians who call it a 'corkie' - http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=4297 Hakluyt bean (talk) 16:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WPMED assessment

message: The article has since its inception acknowledged that the term is used for two different conditions in the US. The definition in the reference cited in the 4/29 edit is clearly not written by a person knowledgeable in this area, as it confounds the two conditions in a misguided attempt to provide unity. (i.e., a "contusion" results from a direct blow, not from "strenuous" exertion. Also see my comment of 11/26,above. Reference 2 in the current article gives a splendid illustrated of the "dead leg" described in soccer players; THIS is what "charley horse" (as in the kick of horse) originally referred to. Sfahey (talk) 21:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: re 5/18 edit

message: Yeah. [HRWiki:unnatural] Do it! RocketMaster (talk) 14:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Give yourself a charley horse 

message: I'm not a native speaker, otherwise I would change it boldly myself, but I'm under the impression that the article is plain wron in an import aspect.
* "Charley horse" is the colloquial term for a cramp (spasm), but not (or only in few cases of abuse of the term) for a contussion.
Consequently it should be interwikied to :de:Wadenkrampf and not :de:Pferdekuss. And the other synonyms offered have to be checked and sorted which describe the cramp and which describe the contussion.
--Pjacobi (talk) 12:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See for example this link: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002066.htm --Pjacobi (talk) 12:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

text: Actually, fi:puujalka ("wooden leg") doesn't mention anything about cramping, either. Removed that, too. W n C? 10:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article contains incorrect information?! 

message: I did what i could to help remove how to content but i cant do anymore without vandalism..Ploxboy119 (talk) 02:11, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: how to and instructio

message: Is it necessary for Charley horse to be its own article? I think a redirect to Cramp#Skeletal_muscle_cramps would be fine. ITasteLikePaint (talk) 01:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Necessary? 

message: The current section regarding remedies needs deletion or far better references. The link currently referenced does not really support the statement made.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.74.220 (talk) 11:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remedies 

message: Is this a Wiktionary entry explaining the meaning of the term "charley horse"? 
Or is it an article about the topic of leg cramps? --Uncle Ed (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Term or topic

message: It seems like the problem with this article can be solved by splitting it ("May refer to:"), since it can refer to the very distinct issues of contusion and muscle cramp. It may have the same name in American English, but that doesn't mean it is the same phenomenon.  
It gets especially clear that the article is mixed up in the etymology section when "this" (Charley horse) is translated to different languages, e.g. Swedish/Norwegian refers to the contusion meaning, and in French it refers to the muscle cramp. The mix of descriptions and treatments for the two issues is extremely confusing without splitting the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.22.45.0 (talk) 16:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split article into two 

message: "(..) typically lasting anywhere from a 3 egg to about 10 egg. (..)"
Is this a very obscure term or just vandalism? 83.83.126.64 (talk) 23:34, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Egg" as a measure of (presumably) time? 

message: Is this an actual thing that deserves an article, or just the weird American name for a muscle spasm that could be a redirect (or just, not exist but mention the name) for an article on muscle spasms? 2A00:23C6:ED81:4900:2063:5FAD:DF70:456F (talk) 04:18, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  is this real? 

message: *Is there any record of history of use of the expression, or what the name Charley or a horse has to do with the condition? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: "A charley horse is a painful involuntary cramp in the legs and/or foot..."  This is as opposed to  painful voluntary cramp?  I'm no physician, but I didn't think it was possible to will oneself to have a cramp.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CLSwiki (talk • contribs) 19:23, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peculiar wording in first paragraph 

message: The sole external link, <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMHT0024514/>, is dead. I checked:
* archive.org
* archive.is
* pubmed/duckduckgo/google/scihub using the reference PMHT0024514
* pubmed/duckduckgo/google using the title in quotes
Supply a different link? Simply remove the whole section?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.147.141.201 (talk) 02:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Permanent dead link 

message: The article suggests all the causes of cramp are endogenous. I can get a leg cramp from bracing myself with my leg muscles e.g. sitting in a kayak and bracing my knees for stability; the cramp fades after a bit of stretching and does not recur (so not caused by blood supply being cut off etc.) but happens every time I canoe! Also from adopting a similar stance anywhere else. 80.7.168.14 (talk) 14:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Causes 

message: Why is this article seemingly a combination of two different things? It's not really made clear why "dead leg" and "Charley horse" are combined  Bovianchovy (talk) 03:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two different topics?