Talk:Powerlifting/Archive 1

message: Who deleted all the IPF records and inserted unrecognized WPO records?? Please change this back! Wiki is a legit source, or at least wants to be, then why are there some underground federation's record with ridiculous assistance gear? 99.231.46.37 (talk) 06:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also inserted headings designating one section for a description of the pun, another for discussion of governing bodies. Blowfish 04:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

message: From article: "While both disciplines demand enormous strength and speed" How exactly does powerlifting require speed? If you can do a bench press as fast as you can do a snatch, I don't think you're benching enough weight. I think powerlifting is about strength not speed. Shawnc 17:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed, speed is a little confusing. training for limit strength normally involves targetting both components of force production, both training with large masses and training lesser masses with great accelearation (f = m.a). obviously then by definition a 1 rep test of limit strength will have relatively little acceleration. i have reworded accordingly. StrengthCoach 21:26, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The faster you lift, the more powerfull the movement is, the more power exerted, but of course your maximum weight is lifted slowly, not quickly, so speed part is irrelevant. You are not trying to write a biomechanics article, why mentioning such details?99.231.46.37 (talk) 06:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Speed

message: "At first the third event in the powerlifting was the bicep curl which later was replaced with the deadlift." i really doubt this is the case and cant find evidence to support this. StrengthCoach 21:40, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed unverified statement

message: To the anon who keeps inserting the extra blank lines - please see the "Structure of the article" section in Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout; the extra blank lines are not in accordance with the layout guidelines.  Keep in mind that whether or not the extra blank lines create "aesthetic page flow" is going to be browser dependent. Dsreyn 19:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Extra blank lines

message: There seems to be a bit of tradition around here (Vancouver BC) that Doug Hepburn was the "founder" of powerlifting.  Is there any substance to this?  I was just looking at his article and only the word "weightlifting" appears there, so I came here to see what this article might have to say about it.  When was the first competitive powerlifting meet?  Who evolved the combination-total for bench, squat, deadlift?  Any comments about Hepburn and the evolution of non-Olympic competitive lifting?Skookum1 18:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Doug Hepburn]] - origin of powerlifting?

message: I think the picture of Scot Mendelson is a bit large.--Trusader 01:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the picture of Scot Mendelson smaller so that it would fit on the page better. TheVault 23:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Now it seems to be gone completely...--Trusader 03:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scot Mendelson 

message: I've always thought that these sports have their names the wrong way wrong.  Weightlifting is actually about generating large amounts of power over short period of time, while Powerlifting is about lifting the maximum amount of weight as you.
194.200.145.5 08:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Power Lifting v Weightlifting

message: How/why does it help? Mathmo Talk 05:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powerlifting gear 

message: The caption on the picture in this article doesn't match the caption as given by the person who uploaded it, and it doesn't look like it was taken at a powerlifting competition. I figure that a picture about the sport of powerlifting should probably be of someone powerlifting at a powerlifting competition. If anyone here is going to a meet, take a picture and upload it here. TheRuss 08:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bench press picture

message: Whoever removed the list of federations as a "directory of links" purged the wrong section. The list of powerlifting organizations was a bit long and unwieldy, but at bare minimum, the top-level organizations should be listed (I haven't yet had the time to tabulate the differences between the federations, but it'd certainly be worth inclusion). I think it's the external links section that really falls under that category - that's why I flagged the external links section. TheRuss 01:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of federations vs. external links

message: This is likely to get deleted soon as things stand. The bottom line of the fair-use tag for that picture states "Note: It is not acceptable to use images with this tag in the article of the person or persons depicted on the cover, unless used directly in connection with the publication of this image. Such usages will be removed." In other words, we cannot use mag covers simply as general illustrations. At all. 81.158.3.3 10:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powerlifting USA cover pic 

message: Is this article a joke?  There are so many blatant misspellings, horrible syntax, and other egregious errors.  Someone really needs to clean this thing up.
71.56.2.160 18:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow 

message: Until someone is willing to back up these sections with reliable citations, there's no point in including them. TheRuss 21:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy and Olympics talk 

message: I'm not sure where these came from...
"Squat: - Heaviest Below Thighs parallel, 100 % strictly unassisted and accurate is around 385 Kg (officially)
Bench: - 100 % strictly unassisted and accurate is around 285 Kg (officially)
Deadlift: - 100 % strictly Unassisted and accurate is around 410 Kg (officially)
Total: - estimated around 1000 Kg"
But A. there is no source and B. the numbers are wrong. The raw squat record is 948 lb and the raw bench is 715. Not sure about raw deadlifts. As for the "estimated" total record, that's just not wikiworthy. I might go ahead and change this...
Alex Klotz (talk) 02:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  All time records? 

message: Weightlifting was quite popular in the "west" until USSR started to take
part in world sport events in the 1950-es. It came particularly strong in the weightlifting, soon started to dominate the sport which seems to have discouraged the western athletes who started to fade in the 1960-es and disappear in the 1970-es. The Russian and Bulgarian dominance in the 1980-es appeared to have effectively killed the sport in the west. Currently there is some growing interest in the USA but it will take time to revive.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.63.60.170 (talk) 01:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weightlifting in the "west" 

message: "This will cause the muscle to tear and push the body to repair the muscle stronger without much increase in muscle size compared to a bodybuilder." So the goal is to achieve an injury requiring hospitalization? Are you kidding me? This article is a joke.  --smellymechanic  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smellymechanic (talk • contribs) 04:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Training Format

message: I think these comparisons should really stick to empirical observations and methods. I have yet to read any conclusive research that Olympic lifting requires any more power than Powerlifting. Moving a 500 lb barbell requires the same amount of force in either sport (although this would be a paltry attempt in powerlifting circles). Any research that I have read indicates that researchers have either been mislead or are not well versed on the lifts. In two of the three powerlifts there is a controlled eccentric downstroke that requires force (i.e. work) which was never accounted for in the research I've read. The snatch and the clean-and-jerk have just the up stroke and run to get out of the way of the plummeting barbell in the downstroke. If someone knows of conclusive research where the "total" amount of work performed in powerlifts is compared to the "total" amount of work performed in Olympic lifts, I'd greatly appreciate the read. Otherwise, I'd suggest that these "power" statements are more guesswork and assumptions than fact. Please leave these unvalidated terms out of comparisons and just stick to known variables.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darakom (talk • contribs) 22:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powerlifting vs. Weightlifting comparisons