Talk:Ichirō (name)

message: I say searching for Ichiro should take you to the Ichiro Suzuki's page. NyyDave 02:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's what this page is for as there are many Ichirōs in the world. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to Ichiro Suzuki

message: Pretty sure most people (>95%) who search for 'Ichiro' are looking for the ballplayer, especially on the English wiki.  If you google Ichiro, all of the front-page results, and all of the suggestions are for Ichiro Suzuki.  I realize there are other people named Ichiro, but Suzuki is famous for going mononymically about the streets.  'Ichiro' should redirect to 'Ichiro Suzuki.' Octaazacubane (talk) 04:25, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Ichiro Redirect

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of People whose name is Ichiro. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 22:14, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of People whose name is Ichiro listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. No stated opposition to the move, and I don't think there's much reason not to carry this one out – Suzuki is often known by the mononymous Ichiro, and he's clearly the PTOPIC here. A hatnote should suffice after the primary redirect. The wikinav discussion did make me somewhat hesitant, but it's not enough to convince me, and looking at the Wikinav data myself all the outgoing pageviews are for Suzuki (not sure if that's a bug or what). (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ichirō →  – Ichiro Suzuki is the undeniable primary topic here.  Years after retirement, he is still getting over 2k pageviews per day.  I'll also note that he is often known by the mononym "Ichiro" in reliable sources.  Moving this article allows Ichirō and Ichiro to become primary redirects. 162 etc. (talk) 22:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

text: *Hi Randy Kryn, we'll probably receive a few comments that other languages shouldn't have an influence on our setup, but the page you've linked is the Korean Wikipedia. That does have the baseball player's article at "Suzuki Ichiro" written in Hangul, but the Korean Wikipedia also redirects plain "Ichiro" in Hangul to the baseball player. (The Japanese article is at :ja:イチロー in katakana.) Dekimasuよ! 05:28, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all Greek to me. So the Japanese one is one word? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

text: *The internal incoming views from Japanese name are likely due to the fact that this is the first given name discussed in the introduction of that article; the ones from Shohei Ohtani definitely were looking for the baseball player. It seems possible that people looking for the Ichiro Suzuki article are content with arriving here for some other reason, such as verifying how to write his name in Japanese, but I don't have a good handle on how to analyze the rest of the data. An "Ichiro is..." test on Google Books gives a lot of hits for Ichiro Suzuki and the main character of the novel No-No Boy, but nothing about the name. (Of course many of our anthroponymy articles serve mainly as set indices, but there is not really anything encyclopedic to say about the name itself, and only one person on the page is known by a mononym.) Dekimasuよ! 08:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

text: *:Yes, when people look for a name, it's conventional to think that they're looking for the meaning of the name, as in the fine details of etymology etc. However, the list of people named that way is actually a relevant component of the overall meaning of a name. IOW navigation itself seems like a legitimate and expected lookup outcome for the average reader. I think it's actually logical that nobody is surprised if they look up what they probably know is a human name and then get a list of humans named that way, it's just par for the course. We do short-circuit some names to a single mononymously known human, but the standard for that shouldn't quite be lax because then everyone else who didn't mean that one has to click again. --Joy (talk) 08:38, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 June 2023