Talk:Meghwal

message: This refers to edit by Drisz on 25-08-2009 at line number 210. I have heard that scheduled tribes do not exist in Punjab. There are scheduled castes there. This needs verification as it can affect Wiki reference 'Punjabi tribes' at line number 210.(Bharat Bhushan Bhagat 23:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 42. What is your question ?Calimo (talk) 09:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

text: You can propose that a category be moved at Categories for Discussion.  Note that this is a well populated category, with close to 200 400 tribes listed - any changes would affect a lot of articles, so be sure to have a good source handy supporting your proposal.  Alternatively, you may wish to discuss the matter less formally at the category's talk page or at Wikiproject India.   ∙ AJChamtalk 12:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: keep title at Meghwal. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 13:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Meghwal → Megh (people) —
After the move, Meghwar, Meghwal and Megh bhagat would all redirect to the new title, and the disambiguation page Megh would also link to the new title. The proposed new title seems more general, and does not seem controversial. If there is consensus after 7 days, the move will be made. Please comment below with Support or Oppose. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:21, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: HELLOW GOOD DAY FOR ALL
PLEASE GIVE ME SOME SUGGESION FROM ALL MENGHWAR AND MEGHWAR ...
THERE IS SOME WRITTEN MENGHWAR AND SOME WRITTEN IS MEGHWAR..
SO PLEASE DISCUSS THIS ...WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG....
THANKS
CHAMAN LAL MEHARCHANDANI
KOT MIRS LANDHI
0300-3019879  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaman meharchandani (talk • contribs) 12:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  menghwar 

message: Yes there are many Muslim convert Brahmins in Kashimir. So they are descendants of Brahmins. Historically it is possible.--Machob.zz (talk)--Machob.zz (talk) 08:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Brahmins never had a big population in North West India. Chamars form 24-30% population in Jammu which is around 40% population among non-muslims. Chamars have cultural history of 6 thousand years old and originally they were known as Chanvars and dedicated followers of Rishi Charvak who powerfully rejected social system created by another Rishi Brahma whose prime followers are still known as Brahmins. During Buddhist era of India, Chamar population increased as new buddhist followers mixed with them due to similar faith and they were known as Chinvars(as they used to wear cheevar). And Chanvars and Chinvars together were known as Chamars.  Later with the help of persian and arab muslim invaders brahmins twisted identity of Chamars to chamda workers. Kashmiri Muslims are converted from Chamars primarily. From time to time many greate sage(rishi) born in Chamar community who tried to revive the original tradition like Megh, Ravidas, Ghasidas are few of them and people started calling themselves after the name of these rishi as a matter of pride. Parallel himalyan region upto the western UP has been a historical mainland of Chamars. There are still many thing in Kashmir to afghanistan and Uttrakhand- Nepal border with the name of "Chamar" like Chamar pass in Afghanistan which connect central asia to south Asia, Chamar chowk in Laddakh, Chamar kund in Kashmir(changed to Amar kund during british era by brahmin priest hood), Chamar gaon(toli) at border of Iran and Pakistan, Chamar mountain at top of Uttrakhand, etc. Be unite and educate your people of their original history divided across several religions and sub-castes like Meghwal, Jatav, Kori, Chooras, Bairwa, Jaiswars, Doahare, Ravidasi, Satnami, Raigar, khateek, Ramadasi(Sikhs) Mochi, Ansari and Khateek(Muslims)etc. Great Kabirdas ji said cha se chamdi, ma se mass aur ra se rakt se bana ye akar, aankh pasar ke dekh sara jagat chamar and generalized humanity with chamariyat. Brothers revive glory of Chamars. If considered all Chamars subcaste and including muslims and sikh chamars, then chamars form 22% population in Rajasthan, 34% in Punjab, 22% in Haryana, 24% in UP(35% in West UP), 24% in Himachal are few of the actual statics of Chamar population. Many of the Chamars subcaste were formed on basis of profession during long Islamic and British era. And actual Chamar termed were forcefully taged as workers of leather to put brainwash Chamars generation by propagating false theories so Chamars can be made slaves of Brahmins by hiding their original history. But Brahmins writer themselves remain confused whether Chamars should be called Cobblers or tanners or butchers. If Chamars were actually a occupational caste based people then Chamar must have a population of less than 1% in every state of India as shoe making has never been like a banking service or IT service like profession. Communities who consider Chamars as enemy don't want you guys to call themselves Chamars but willing to keep calling you chamars so that you can never have self-esteem. And such people will keep writing false history books that Chamar were only leather workers. Wake up Chamars and know your history. --By Proud Chamar boy  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chamarsingh (talk • contribs) 07:51, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Muslim converts

message: There are many sources in this article that are dead links. I will add the citation needed tag to these.  There is a link to a Kabir religion blogspot. It makes no mention of the Meghwal caste and it fails WP:verifiable. TimesGerman (talk) 02:36, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Blogspot does indeed fail WP:RS and that can be replaced with a . The remainder should not be tagged thus: please read WP:DEADLINK. - Sitush (talk) 04:41, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I will add a tags regarding  to this page and revisit in 4 months. TimesGerman (talk) 15:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead links and links to blogs 

message: there are a coup,e of books with ISBN that produces no result when searching for this book. Does this book even exist? This also fails WP:verifiable.
Also, a lot of text sourced to non English book, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Foreign_sources#Non-English_sources. Does this make it a non reliable source if it is not translated? TimesGerman (talk) 04:27, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You misunderstand WP:V and I suggest that you revisit that policy: if you cannot view the source then you have no idea whether or not it passes that policy. If an ISBN is wrong then try to fix it. If you cannot fix it then tag it. See WP:ISBNFor non-English sources, please see WP:ENGVAR and please note that there is a convention whereby we usually raise all of the issues you mention in this section here on the talk page first and give a reasonable time (6 months or so) for someone to resolve them. You will need to list all the sources regarding which you have issues, together with the reason for your cause of concern. - Sitush (talk) 04:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are not understanding what I am trying to say: A lot of text in this article is sourced to R.P. Singh (2009). Megh Vansh Ek Singhavlokan. Ravi Prakashan. . This ISBN is invalid and I am not able to find anything else about this book or the author. The publisher "Ravi Prakashan" also seems to be a small town published in the city of Rajkot Gujarat. The book itself seems to be written in Hindi or Gujarati and I have strong doubts about how reliable this book is and whether this book is a caste pride book. I am proposing [need quotation to verify] for the non-english sourced book.
According to wiki standards: Citing non-English sources
Citations to non-English sources are allowed. However, because this is the English-language Wikipedia, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones, where English sources of equal quality and relevance are available. As with sources in English, if a dispute arises involving a citation to a non-English source, editors may request that a quotation of relevant portions of the original source be provided, either in text, in a footnote, or on the article talk page.[9] (See Template:Request quotation).''
TimesGerman (talk) 13:36, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, you can tag it for a quotation but you should not remove it yet ... which is what you have been doing. I agree that it is quite probably not a reliable source but what we really need to know is more about the source itself, not what it says. Thus, tagging for a quotation is rather pointless. I would suggest tagging with  and see what happens over the next few months. Start a new section here titled, say, "Dubious source: Singh's Megh Vansh Ek Singhavlokan" and explain your doubts in that. You could copy/paste your doubts from this section but having a clearly-labelled separate section for each dubious source makes it more likely that someone will respond. - Sitush (talk) 16:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to book that cannot be found and links to non English books 

message: A lot of text in this article is sourced to R.P. Singh (2009). Megh Vansh Ek Singhavlokan. Ravi Prakashan. . This ISBN is invalid and I am not able to find anything else about this book or the author. The publisher "Ravi Prakashan" also seems to be a small town publisher in the city of Rajkot Gujarat. The book itself seems to be written in Hindi or Gujarati and I have strong doubts about how reliable this book is and whether this book is a caste pride book.  
I am proposing that people provide exact quotations in the source so that we can understand what the author is actually saying. If no-one is able to add this information, I am proposing that we delete the text linked to this source. 
How about we give 4 months, up to July 2013 for editors to provide this information? TimesGerman (talk) 15:36, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of sources that refer to them as, say, "Meghwal (Chamar)" and that mention their self-identification as a separate group is not recognised by their peers. On the other hand, there are sources that do appear to treat them as an independent group, using phrases such as "Chamar, Meghwal". The source that you mention is highly unlikely to be reliable and should not be used in this article until someone can prove otherwise. - Sitush (talk) 08:12, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text linked to the book Megh Vansh Ek Singhavlokan 

message: There has been an effort to completely remove all references to "untouchable", simply on the basis of the word being offensive.  Wikipedia is WP:UNCENSORED, therefore that basis is inappropriate and the attempts to remove it have been reverted as vandalism (attempting to censor offensive material goes against policy).  As far as I am able to determine, the usage here is a fair and accurate reflection of the true facts of history.  History and truth are not mutable.  If there is an issue of historical accuracy or something which is not true, then we can look at making a change.  We can also look at improving the wording, but we can't look at completely removing it on the basis of it being offensive to some people.  Please raise any valid editorial issues here, for anything other than it being "offensive".  Murph9000 (talk) 14:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Untouchability]] 

message: Liquisearch and caste-affuliated websites are not reliable sources, hence my reverts. I have attempted to notify the IP but something is going wrong with the mobile version of the editor on user talk pages - will find out now whether that also affects article talk pages.- Sitush (talk) 23:20, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing  

message: Meghwal and folk religious or non religious literature.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.192.2 (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meghwal & Literature 

message: i want edits in this page Because some information is wrong  Zaddy007 (talk) 03:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit 

message: Meghwal, I want to edit this page Zaddy007 (talk) 04:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meghwal 

message: when the protection of this page is reduced? Zaddy007 (talk) 04:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This page's protection expires 11 February 2024. If you'd like to edit it before then, you can submit an edit request. — Urro[talk][edits] 18:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meghwal 

message: change The community is also known by the neutral term Bhambhi as well as Dhed, considered derogatory. To the community is also known by the neutral term Balai Zaddy007 (talk) 12:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2024