Talk:Alice (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)

message: The article says "However, Alice has been colored by Tenniel in a blue dress, with white stripes at the bottom. Her pinafore is outlined in red." Can someone tell me where this information comes from? I'm not aware of Tenniel ever coloring his own illustrations, let alone coloring Alice's dress blue.
:i don't know. Tenniel (or one of his students) colored Alice in yellow for The Nursery Alice.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.169.129.165 (talk) 22:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alice's Dress 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Aliceinwonderland0024.jpg

message: ...when the article Alice's Adventures in Wonderland also exists? I'm trying to find the called/named dialogue, and it would be preferrable if the facts aren't scattered like this. ... said: Rursus (mbork²) 10:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confused. Are you looking for quotes from the book? (This article is about the character Alice from Alice in Wonderland.) Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:09, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Why does this article exist...

message: Tim Burton has clearly stated that his 2010 Alice film will not be a sequel, nor a remake, but a reimagining of the story. I would change it for sakes. xwexarexbulletsx 19:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sequel?

message: It seems the author of the above article has given very good reasoning as to why she believes this book is actually based on Math and not just random, fanciful stories.  Might want to add this possible Interpretation to the list.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/opinion/07bayley.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robmburke (talk • contribs) 16:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another possible (and seemingly likely) "Interpretation" 

message: Hi. I'm RoyboyX, an admin from Wikitroid, the Metroid Wiki (part of Wikia) and I'm currently having a discussion over there on whether to do something similar to you: that is, feature a non-princess character in a princess category.
I've used Alice as well as Xena, Warrior Princess to (try) to get my reason for this across. Alice was a queen in one of her books (or was it both?) and she regularly appears in Disney Princess media (though she is excluded from the official lineup). Due to not really being a princess, but having these reasons, she is in the fictional princesses category. I use a similar excuse for Samus Aran, the main character of the Metroid series and the subject of the discussion over on Wikitroid. Samus, like Alice, is not a princess, but she is a queen in one of the Captain N: The Game Master comics and she has the nickname Princess in Metroid: Other M. Those two reasons are why she is in our princess category, and why I've come to you.
So, this is my question: are Alice and Xena in the princesses category by mistake, or is this a decision made by Wikipedia admins/b'crats/users/blah blah? --99.241.195.62 (talk) 20:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, lets see. Alice did become a queen in Through the Looking-Glass, but no where is she considered a princess in the books, plus Disney doesn't officially consider her a princess. She is a "princess of Heart" in Kingdom Hearts, but that is really just an adaption of Disney's interpretation of Alice. The original Alice, Lewis Carroll's Alice, is not a princess so she shouldn't be in the princess category. Kaguya-chan (talk) 23:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, there's no reason for :Category:Fictional princesses to apply here.  I'll remove it.  Powers T 23:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: She was a pawn who was queened, not a princess. -- Evertype·✆ 19:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princess? 

message: Hi everybody. File:Alice in wonderland 1951.jpg appears to be screen-shot from the 1951 Disney film. As I understand it, this picture is incorrectly labeled and should be marked as fair-use because it is a screen-shot of a copyrighted film. Any ideas? Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free use for File:Alice in wonderland 1951.jpg? 

message: I'd like us to describe the character's personality more, as well as any changes that her adventures wrought upon her during the two main stories. Let's move the media stuff like Disney Princess out of the Interpretations section. 
I also wouldn't call her so much logical, quaint, or pedantic as "precocious" or "introverted". Based on my own (many) readings of both Alice stories, I find that she spends a lot of energy thinking about her relationships with other characters or wondering about what they might do. This seems typical of girls, rather than "quaint". We might also consider the Victorian Era and the notion that children should be seen and not heard, and how this relates to Carroll's main character who is so consciously modeled on a real little girl of his acquaintance. --Uncle Ed (talk) 22:59, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Character and media

message: Does anybody know?
"Morton N. Cohen suggested that although Alice was physically modelled after Alice Liddell, Carroll drew Alice's characteristics from himself"
I'm asking because Alice Liddell physically looked NOTHING like Tenniel's drawing of Alice, so that seems strange to me. 207.237.209.237 (talk) 03:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he's refering to Carroll's drawings in the first version (Alice's Adventures Underground) for Alice Liddell. I'll doublecheck. Kaguya-chan (talk) 18:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the quote from page 195: "The physical model for Alice wandering through Wonderland is Alice Liddell; the spiritual and psychological Alice is Charles himself." Keep in mind that this is only Cohen's opinion. Hope that helps. Kaguya-chan (talk) 00:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this what the source actually says?

message: I just got notified that :File:Alice1987filmCareBearsAdventureInWonderland.jpg was removed from this page (and is now up for deletion as a result) because:
:following discussion. Insufficient encyclopedic value
It made me think "what discussion? I didn't see this brought up on the talk page about this article. So I look at Grand's history to find out where this might have happened... which is Wikipedia:Non-free_content_review/Archive_27#File:Alice_.28Alice.27s_Adventures_in_Wonderland.29, opened April 14 and not brought up here at all. Why was this issue not brought up on this talk page? It seems wrong to do this behind the backs of those who edit this article and monitor the talk page and article. Ranze (talk) 03:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reopened the discussion here. There was a clear consensus to remove the care bears image. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs)  21:24, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Shadow discussion

message: Hi everyone,
I was wondering if the plot summary--which admittedly doesn't do the books justice in the least--should go. It's not particularly relevant here--Alice doesn't change as a character because of the events in the books--and the main pages for the books covers the summaries far better. Thoughts? Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 01:48, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary? 

message: Hello there,
I am trying to translate this article into Turkish, but I do not understand the "Victorian orphan trope" clause in the "Cultural impact" section. What does that mean? --Hedda Gabler (talk) 21:10, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in the sense of Trope (literature) which points to List of narrative techniques. The (far-fetched IMHO) claim is that in the period leading up to Alice some literary works used a recurring theme of the plight of an orphan, and Carroll used that idea as a theme in this book (the orphan must make their own way in the world, alone, with no one to help them). The text was added by Rapunzel-bellflower in September 2017 (diff) and they might like to comment. For translation, that's possibly enough background but if interested you could probably get more informed views at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Johnuniq (talk) 22:35, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  thanks! --Hedda Gabler (talk) 23:05, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi ! I definitely don't agree with Kelly's claim either, but I can definitely take another look at the source material if you have any lingering questions about this or the rest of the article. Thank you for translating the article! Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 08:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victorian orphan trope 

message: It says "A child in the mid-Victorian era" which I think is unnecessary as the dates it was written was in the mid Victorian era...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krystal Kalb (talk • contribs) 00:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uh...