Talk:Javier Solana/Archive Solana vandalism and POV

message: If you put the Hitler reference in I think it would be wrong of you to do so, and would appreciate it if you would not put it back. Hitler was a racist murderer who also dissolved Europe into a very bloody war; it still bears the scars. Solana has not done anything remotely similar, though he may have blood on his hands. he does not preach race extermination as a philosophy; indeed I would bet he condemns rascism. Living in a multi-racial household I also condemn rascism. --SqueakBox 23:16, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
===Political rant===
The dream of a European Union was held by Hitler and many other rulers before him, including Charles V of Spain and the Popes, the self-same Popes who kept christianity alive before there were any Protestant churches. I think the world needs to drop it's nationalist boundaries, and a European Union is better than all the little countries being independent. I don't think Cumbey has a full a full understanding of the issues involved in Europe but many perfectly reasonable people are in favour; including me. I think if Honduras had been a part of a greater Hispanic state, or a part of the USA, it would be somewhat better than the poverty ridden state in which it flounders. So I believe in a United States of Europe, a United States of Central America, and a United States of the World. Why does User:Cumbey want to deny other places what has worked so well in the USA. --SqueakBox 23:16, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
I don't agree in any way that my edits were vandalism. Explain yourself, please?--SqueakBox 23:20, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
By continuing to revert this obscure 666 reference and claiming that this is wikipedia policy she is not helping herself or anyobne else. Why is it vandalism to remove the megalomaniac thesis from the article? Why more anonymous edits? I am not interested in the occult history of Nazism, but the real history. user Cumbey should be apologizing for her Nazi apologism in the article. No matter how evil or enmeshed in the forces of darkness you think Solana is you must not assume that is the way things are and therefore that is what must be recorded in the article. That is what is not in the Spirit of wiki. I fully accept that you have not been vandalising the site, but I believe you have been infecting it with your own point of view. --SqueakBox 23:36, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC) --SqueakBox 23:36, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
===Europe and the rise of the Antichrist===
For many Christians who adhere to a Premillennial Eschatology, the idea of a single antichrist who gains power and makes war upon the world is a common one. In terms of popular culture, we can probably blame The Omen for making this belief more acceptable and widespread.
Premillennialism is a peculiarly American contribution to modern evangelical thinking. It dovetails nicely with the general distrust that America has with things foreign. For example, there are thousands of Americans who have joined hard-core local militias who are convinced that the United Nations will one day invade the US - and outwardly this manifests itself in slow financial payments to the UN, a refusal to ratify international agreements, and continual public slander against the UN and Kofi Annan. Many years ago, the idea that Europe might form its own nation was popular with many American Christians. Even when the specific prophecy in the book of Revelation referred to "12" (nations), this persisted even when the amount of nations in the EU exceeded that number.
Convinced by this, and egged on by publications such as the Left Behind series of books and the general state of paranoia following September 11th, the errant contributor/s to the Solana article are doing their best to warn the world of the coming tribulation. They have identified Solana as the Antichrist. They are not making these article contributions because they are jerks or trolls, but because they think they are doing the right thing. Moreover, because of their belief in a grand conspiracy, those who oppose them and try to rebalance the article can be seen as either unwitting allies of Satan, or part of the grand conspiracy itself. Hence Cumby's "concerns" over Squeakboxes own religious beliefs.
If the specific contributors are reading this then I must probably identify my own system of beliefs. I am a Reformed, Evangelical Christian who holds to an amillennial eschatology. I don't believe that a single antichrist is coming, but that history has shown that various antichrists have come. The idea of more than one antichrist is scripturally sound and can be found in the book of 1 John. I can also understand that you modifying the Solana page has come because of your own belief in the importance of the issue. Moreover, I can also understand that by raising Solana's profile as the antichrist, you may be able to warn people before time - people who may become Christians as a result.
I would say that yours is a noble attitude, but unfortunately I don't think it will work. The reality is that here at Wikipedia are ordinary people of many different faiths. I am of one faith and they are of others. Like you, I have an exclusivist religious attitude - Evangelical Christianity is the only true religion and all others are false. Like you I believe that Christ is the only way to heaven, and that we must tell others about the gospel so that they may come to faith and be saved.
I'll tell you this now, though: Your strategy of editing the Solana article will neither raise people's awareness of Solana, nor lead to people coming to Christ. Your efforts will be in vain, and there are some good reasons why:
#Your prose (way of writing) is difficult to understand and, while full of information, can easily confuse ordinary readers.
#Because you are convinced of the truth you write about, the article comes across as very pov and full of bias. It is unlikely that anyone will read your Solana article and be convinced that it is true.
#The fact that you continue to edit in spite of the all the opposition you have here at Wikipedia is not courageous, it is just very, very annoying. It is unlikely that people like Squeezebox could now ever even consider accepting the gospel after the damage that that has been caused here.
Let me tell you what you should do:
#Create a website that explains in great detail everything you are trying to say here. Because Wikipedia is a community, the great majority will not accept your assertions. this is not so with the freedom you have of your own site.
#Create a link from the Antichrist article to your website.
#If the Solana/Antichrist thinking takes off in the Christian community, no one would object to a separate article titled, say, Javier Solana is the Antichrist. This article would contain all the information that people have come up with all over the world about reasons why (as well as reasons why not) Solana can be seen as the antichrist.
#Work on writing better prose, and then return to Wikipedia as a contributor and editor, where your opinions and belief system can be respected by others who see your good Wikipedia work.
Please read this in a spirit of conciliation. I am just trying to say that I can understand the reasons why you are doing this, and I am trying to reason with you to try to stop what you're doing, and leave these nice people here at Wikipedia in peace.
One Salient Oversight 05:28, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: SqueakBox reply

message: For many Christians who adhere to a Premillennial Eschatology, the idea of a single antichrist who gains power and makes war upon the world is a common one. In terms of popular culture, we can probably blame The Omen for making this belief more acceptable and widespread.
Premillennialism is a peculiarly American contribution to modern evangelical thinking. It dovetails nicely with the general distrust that America has with things foreign. For example, there are thousands of Americans who have joined hard-core local militias who are convinced that the United Nations will one day invade the US - and outwardly this manifests itself in slow financial payments to the UN, a refusal to ratify international agreements, and continual public slander against the UN and Kofi Annan. Many years ago, the idea that Europe might form its own nation was popular with many American Christians. Even when the specific prophecy in the book of Revelation referred to "12" (nations), this persisted even when the amount of nations in the EU exceeded that number.
Convinced by this, and egged on by publications such as the Left Behind series of books and the general state of paranoia following September 11th, the errant contributor/s to the Solana article are doing their best to warn the world of the coming tribulation. They have identified Solana as the Antichrist. They are not making these article contributions because they are jerks or trolls, but because they think they are doing the right thing. Moreover, because of their belief in a grand conspiracy, those who oppose them and try to rebalance the article can be seen as either unwitting allies of Satan, or part of the grand conspiracy itself. Hence Cumby's "concerns" over Squeakboxes own religious beliefs.
If the specific contributors are reading this then I must probably identify my own system of beliefs. I am a Reformed, Evangelical Christian who holds to an amillennial eschatology. I don't believe that a single antichrist is coming, but that history has shown that various antichrists have come. The idea of more than one antichrist is scripturally sound and can be found in the book of 1 John. I can also understand that you modifying the Solana page has come because of your own belief in the importance of the issue. Moreover, I can also understand that by raising Solana's profile as the antichrist, you may be able to warn people before time - people who may become Christians as a result.
I would say that yours is a noble attitude, but unfortunately I don't think it will work. The reality is that here at Wikipedia are ordinary people of many different faiths. I am of one faith and they are of others. Like you, I have an exclusivist religious attitude - Evangelical Christianity is the only true religion and all others are false. Like you I believe that Christ is the only way to heaven, and that we must tell others about the gospel so that they may come to faith and be saved.
I'll tell you this now, though: Your strategy of editing the Solana article will neither raise people's awareness of Solana, nor lead to people coming to Christ. Your efforts will be in vain, and there are some good reasons why:
#Your prose (way of writing) is difficult to understand and, while full of information, can easily confuse ordinary readers.
#Because you are convinced of the truth you write about, the article comes across as very pov and full of bias. It is unlikely that anyone will read your Solana article and be convinced that it is true.
#The fact that you continue to edit in spite of the all the opposition you have here at Wikipedia is not courageous, it is just very, very annoying. It is unlikely that people like Squeezebox could now ever even consider accepting the gospel after the damage that that has been caused here.
Let me tell you what you should do:
#Create a website that explains in great detail everything you are trying to say here. Because Wikipedia is a community, the great majority will not accept your assertions. this is not so with the freedom you have of your own site.
#Create a link from the Antichrist article to your website.
#If the Solana/Antichrist thinking takes off in the Christian community, no one would object to a separate article titled, say, Javier Solana is the Antichrist. This article would contain all the information that people have come up with all over the world about reasons why (as well as reasons why not) Solana can be seen as the antichrist.
#Work on writing better prose, and then return to Wikipedia as a contributor and editor, where your opinions and belief system can be respected by others who see your good Wikipedia work.
Please read this in a spirit of conciliation. I am just trying to say that I can understand the reasons why you are doing this, and I am trying to reason with you to try to stop what you're doing, and leave these nice people here at Wikipedia in peace.
One Salient Oversight 05:28, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Europe and the rise of the Antichrist