Talk:Battle of Svolder

message: Why the insistence on using Olaf Trygvesson contra Olaf Tryggvason? Fornadan (t) 12:33, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, may have been too trigger happy there. When I checked his edits, and clicked on the link Olaf Tryggvason, it lead to a double redirect, i.e. no redirect. Since I think it is on the verge of vandalism to rename links so that they don't work, I reverted it. However, when I tested the old link, I am ashamed to say, it was also a dead redirect. Too bad there is no re-reverting tool.--Wiglaf 12:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't surprise me, the whole naming situation is a complete mess. Seems like someone moved Olaf I of Norway to Olav I of Norway without changing the redirects. Fornadan (t) 13:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Well, you're welcome at Wikipedia! I hope that you learn the ropes and feel comfortable in spite of my brusque revert.--Wiglaf 12:48, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tryggvesson vs Tryggvason 

message: The title of this article annoys me slightly as it's used in none of my English language sources. Admittedly Britannica uses Svolder but in the same articles they have such weirdness as calling Hákon Sigurðarson King Haakon the Great. I'm wondering if Battle of Svold would be a better title. Google Books suggests that it may be slightly more common. Haukur 11:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Svold or Svoldr would be correct.   Gaukator (talk) 18:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was probably created by a Norwegian, Svolder is the name used in modern Norwegian. But we Norwegians will have to accept that this is not the Norwegian wikipedia, of course, so either an English form or the original Old Norse should probably be used.--Barend (talk) 21:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly don't really care anymore - I' guess I've got used to the current name. I don't think it's a Norwegianism, in particular - looks like it's the form used by Britannica. Haukur (talk) 00:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I created this, long ago, as "Battle of Swold", which I found in some undergraduate history textbook I suppose. Adam Bishop (talk) 18:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thing is, 'Svolder' is a modernized and slightly degenerated Scandinavian way of typing 'Svoldr.' It makes more sense in Scandinavia, where the battle is sometimes referred to as 'Svolderslaget.' Until recently, you would either have said 'Svolderslaget' or 'Slaget vid/ved Svold(r).' I guess 'Svolder' has started to dominate, though, and if that's the way it's written in Encyclopedia Britannica it's probably the way it should be on Wikipedia aswell.    Gaukator (talk) 13:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: The chronology is bugging me, here are some links.
*9th September 1000
*9th September 1002
*999 
*iij. eða iiij iðus dag Septembris manaðar
*sia orrosta var en þriðia idvs eða en .iiii. septembris [manaðar]
Haukur 12:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, I've always heard that the battle of Svolder was the first secure date in Scandinavian chronology. I guess you could try counting the years between Svolder and Stiklestad. Fornadan (t) 17:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology links 

message: It seems that there's a manga on Óláfr Tryggvason! This sample shows scenes from the Battle of Svöldr with Óláfr throwing himself into the sea.  Haukur 15:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See further here:  and I've now written a short article on the author, Ryō Azumi. Haukur 12:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And here . I'm torn on whether this is significant/interesting enough to mention in the article. It seems quite jarring to go from Longfellow to Azumi in a single jump. I'm sure there are some other works worth mentioning as well if we go up to the 20th century. Are there some significant Norwegian literary or artistic works on the battle? Haukur 22:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's this. Should it be mentioned? Does anyone (Fornadan?) know about the historiography of the battle in Norway? This link has: "Where is the ship, Ormen Lange? Is Olav Tryggvason not coming?" The cry that resounded in the Viking Age and in National-Romantic poetry" suggesting that there's some story to tell here. How did Norwegians in the Romantic period view the battle? Haukur 22:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga 

message: I've been pondering the name forms used in the article. Normally I'm not a big fan of Anglicized forms but I'm willing to use them where they exist for royalty and in the case of this article it might make sense to extend that to the Jarls.
It bothers me to me to use the modern "Olof Skötkonung" for the Swedish king. It creates an artificial distinction betwen Olaf and Olof, not present in any of the primary sources. I think Olaf the Swede is a clearer choice and one derived directly from his (West) Norse name.
So, the Anglicization I'm suggesting here is to drop consonantal nominative endings and diacritics from the first names of the royalty and kings as well as rendering 'þ' as 'th':
*King Olaf the Swede (Óláfr sœnski)
*King Olaf Tryggvason (Óláfr Tryggvason)
*King Svein Forkbeard (Sveinn tjúguskegg)
*Queen Sigrid (Sigríðr)
*Queen Thyri (Þyri)
*Jarl Eirik Hákonarson (Eiríkr Hákonarson)
*Jarl Svein Hákonarson (Sveinn Hákonarson)
*Jarl Sigvaldi (Sigvaldi)
The other names can be kept in their standardized Old Norse forms, thus Oddr Snorrason, Hallfreðr vandræðaskáld, Kolbjörn. Alternatively we could Anglicize everything but then I'd prefer to give the standardized Old Norse spelling at each name's first occurrence, as in Grœnlendinga saga. That's a bit cumbersome. Haukur 12:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name forms 

message: Here's a list of some relevant works in chronological order, starting with Weibull's work. I'll try to give them a read once I have the chance. Feel free to add to the list. Haukur 15:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Further reading

message: From the article on Olaf of Norway:
"He baptized America discoverer Leif Ericson, and Leif took a priest with him back to Greenland to convert the rest of his kin.Snorre Sturlason, Heimskringla Or the Lives of the Norse Kings, Kessinger Publishing, 2004, p.188 "
When Olaf was killed at the Battle of Svolder, Leif lost his political supporter in Norway, making the continued exploration and settlement of North America by Scandinavians after the year 1000 much less likely. Perhaps someone can incorporate this information into this article, or the one on King Olaf of Norway.--DThomsen8 (talk) 17:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leif Ericson supported by King Olaf of Norway 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: At the local public library I borrowed Richard Hennig's book "Var låg paradiset?", printed 1956. This book is the Swedish edition of the author's book "Wo lag das Paradies?" but it also includes material from the author's book "Von rätselhaften Ländern". One chapter is related to Svolder's location. The author states that the Dane Sofus Larsen found the solution in 1932. Svolder is the small island Riems in Greifswalder Bodden.
213.113.112.240 (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  geographic location 

message: There's significant uncited text, weird switches between tenses, and the ancient texts are the sources for almost all of several sections.  I'm not convinced this meets the modern FA criteria. Hog Farm  Bacon 05:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA concerns 

message: *"The battle is acknowledged to have been for many reasons the most famous that was ever fought in Northern lands". 89.8.122.169 (talk) 20:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost in translation?