Talk:Taunton

message: Pray tell me why is being home of the Woolworths employee of the year 3 times running relevant to an encyclopedia (AlanCox 16:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Early text

message: I have noticed the template for "otheruses" keep being reverted on this article, and I wondered whether we could try to achieve consensus here. The debate seems to be between a single link to the disambiguation page Taunton (disambiguation) or alternatively a link to the disam page + a link to the specific article for Taunton, Massachusetts, with an edit summary which says "(re-add dab link to Taunton, Massachusetts; rmd w/o discussion, and including links to notable American cities of the same name as British ones is common, see Worcester and Plymouth)". Personally I can't see why the link to the US town should take precedence over other places and things named Taunton which are included in the disam page - but I wanted to get others opinions here before reverting the latest change. Any thoughts? — Rod talk 09:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If there was only one other town called Taunton then I would support the dual otheruses template, but as there are a number I really think we should have the single otheruses link to the disambiguation page. --TimTay (talk) 09:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My logic behind adding the dab link was basically that the city of Taunton, MA is roughly the same size as this one, one of the largest cities in Massachusetts, one of the first cities in the colonial United States, and one of the centers of the silver industry in New England for several years. While the city is certainly not as prominent as this one, I felt it deserved mention in a dab link, as a large number of editors would likely expect "Taunton" to be about that article. You can see that a quick Google search brings up several hits for Taunton, MA on the first page. There are only two other cities referred to as "Taunton" on the dab page, a municipality of 207 people in Minnesota and a hamlet in New York State. The MA city is clearly more notable than these two locales (the other things on the dab page would almost never be searched for by typing in only "Taunton" - Taunton Stop Line, Taunton National Park, Taunton River, etc.). That is why I put in the dab link (I originally placed it here in July 2007, but it was removed here in October 2007, hence the "rmd w/o discussion" comment). I feel as if this situation is similar to that of Plymouth and Worcester, where the articles are about the more prominent UK cities, but dab links are added to the notable Massachusetts cities of the same name to make it easier for editors searching for those pages. Cheers, Rai-me 23:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You make a good point. Seems a reasonable argument to me. --TimTay (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  revisions of otheruses 

message: I've noticed the population of Taunton (The town) keeps getting changed; Between 55K, 88K and 102K. The true figure being much closer to 55K, yet someone keeps changing it to the claim that Taunton has 88K with a Urban Area of 102K (This being only 7K less than the whole of Taunton Deane district council). With this change of population, come the claim, quite wrongly that Taunton is the largest town in Somerset. Both Bath and Weston being larger by some 15K to 20K. Technically Weston is the largest town in Somerset with 71K, and Bath is the largest city with 80K.
A quick search of online sources will confirm a range of populations from 55K to 60K. Though I believe from misinformation on this website has started a trend of a few website quoting figures like 100K.
I offer the official figures published by somerset.gov.uk
which claims the figure to be 61,400 as of 2001.
I've seen no evidence anywhere, including the somerset.gov.uk website to justify a claim that between 2001 and 2008, the population increased at an average of 6.5% per year (Or anything approaching this rate).
Official figures, again from somerset.gov.uk, claim the the whole of Taunton Deane raised from 102K to 109K over the period 2001 to 2007, meaning for 88K to be correct for Taunton as at 2008, then the rest of Taunton Deane's population would have collapsed by 20K over the same period. 217.171.129.73 (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population of Taunton 

message: I propose merging Holway, Somerset into this article. As the article says it is now a suburb and is unlikely to get a significant article in its own right. Any thoughts?— Rod talk 18:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this proposal - Holway is very much "within" Taunton and wouldn't be out of place within the Taunton article.Squirrel684 (talk) 02:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I'd also propose that Staplegrove is merged into this.— Rod talk 17:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with both proposals as both areas are contained within the urban area of Taunton (i.e. are not separated by any distance). --TimTay (talk) 18:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Mergers now completed.— Rod talk 10:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Just came across Galmington article, which has virtually no content except for unreferenced info on a youth football club. It is not a civil parish as it originally stated in the article, or even a borough ward, so it is unlikely that any statistics or boundaries can be defined. Merge it! Lozleader (talk) 22:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just googled around for Comeytrowe and I think it may merit an article of its own: it is a civil parish (formed out of Trull in 1986), and a borough ward so there would at least be some stats available. Had a look at the parish boundaries at www.election-maps.co.uk and it turns out that Galmington (or some of it) is in Comeytrowe parish.. so maybe it should be merged with that instead??Lozleader (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks I've merged Galmington into Comeytrowe & expanded it. Merger proposal banners removed.— Rod talk 11:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Notable people from Taunton should be people who were born, lived or died in the town. In the case of two people previously listed in this section of the article this is not the case. Evelyn Waugh lived and died in Combe Florey and is mentioned in that article. Joe Strummer lived and died in Broomfield and is mentioned in that article. Neither of these settlements is part of Taunton. Both are nearby but the fact they are separate means it cannot be claimed that those people have any link with the town of Taunton. If anyone believes otherwise then please discuss here rather than add back to the article. --Simple Bob (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people 

message: I've been editing this article to try to bring it closer to the guidelines at WP:UKCITIES and would be interested in what other editors think is need to get it to meet the Wikipedia:Good article criteria? Obviously we need to expand the lead to summarise the article & reference (or remove) the uncited claims, but is there anything else which would be required?— Rod talk 09:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What else is needed to get this article to GA? 

message: from my talk page:
I noticed your reversion of my edit to the Popular culture references of the Taunton article. I believe we will need to support the claims if the article is to be nominated for WP:GA. I haven't read Scoop or watched the Doctor Who episode The Shakespeare Code but would want some evidence that Taunton was mentioned. I have read So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish & don't remember Taunton being "featured" in it (which is the claim). How do we know Thomas Hardy renamed Taunton as Toneborough? or is this the interpretation of a reviewer? if so who & when? I know these seem picky but I would like to get the Taunton article up to GA before too long & these are the sorts of things reviewers pick up on.— Rod talk 17:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: i havent read Scoop either so cant comment and dont recall hearing taunton in the Dr Who episode mentioned. Taunton is certainly featured in Tinker, Tailor so should be reinserted. As for Hardy, this website sould provide more than enough info. http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~bp10/wessex/index.shtml Dead-or-Red (talk) 18:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put back the comment about Thomas Hardy with a reference to the site you suggested, but I think we would need references &/or page numbers for the other claims before they could go back in.— Rod talk 19:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  pop culture 

message: OK this article has been protected for a few days so lets try and agree something here which everyone can live with (we will never get something that meets everyone's ideal), and once that is done transfer it into the article. At least any reverts and arguments will not be seen by the large group of readers who are uninvolved in the debate.
My suggestion would include (assuming all notable enough to have wp articles): anyone born in Taunton, those who lived for a large proportion of their lives in the town and those who contribution to the town has had a "significant impact" and I am aware that that is subjective. I would would like to avoid recentism which suggests that those alive today, and therefore currently better known, are more notable than those from previous centuries. I think each person should have a short sentence explaining why they are included.
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Taunton has been the home or birthplace of several notable people. One of the earliest was the English Puritan Nonconformist pastor and author; Joseph Alleine (1634–1668) who was curate of St Mary Magdalene in the 1660s and is buried in the churchyard. In the early 19th century Alexander William Kinglake, who was born in 1809 at Wilton House near Taunton, went on to become a barrister, travel writer and historian. Two years later Taunton was the birthplace of Sir Charles Trevelyan who became a civil servant and the Governor of Madras. Later in the 19th century Alfred B. Mullett was born in the town and emigrated to the USA in his childhood before going on to become architect to Abraham Lincoln. Frederick Porter Wensley was born in Taunton in 1865 and later became chief constable of Scotland Yard CID.
In 1873 it was the birthplace of Hugh Trenchard who was instrumental in establishing the Royal Air Force. 
There are also several notable sports people from Taunton. Footballers include Colin Addison a former professional player and manager, who was born in Taunton on 8 May 1940 and Lee Martin who was born in Taunton 9 February 1987 and is under contract with for Ipswich Town F.C.. The former England Rugby union international and head coach who later became head coach of Scotland was born in Taunton in 1964. The cricketer Marcus Trescothick was given the Taunton Deane Citzenship Award in 2005. The arts are also represented with actors such as Pattie Boyd, Jenny Agutter and James Purefoy being born in Taunton in 1944, 1952 and 1964 respectively. Deborah Meaden the business mogul, philanthropist and star of T.V series Dragons Den was born in Taunton in 1959.
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I have taken out those where I can't find reliable sources which illustrate their relevance to the town. I would be happy for others to copy the text above and edit it adding or removing as they see fit, including a reliable source & put it below with an explanation of their rationale for the changes they have made. I hope this contribution to the debate is useful.— Rod talk 21:54, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My suggestion would be to create List of people from Taunton. As well as those mention in this article, there are almost certainly a good number of alumni from each of the schools that have an article. A useful practice is to make use of the "What links here" feature to discover all biographies that link in to the page in question. Checking those articles can often reveal further articles which aren't mentioned when they should be. Mjroots (talk) 22:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *sigh* this is why such subjective lists shouldn't exist. Harrias talk 22:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: i dont like rodw's list, it doesnt read well and wouldnt be easy to edit/add to. so far mjroots seems to be talking sense to me. Dead-or-Red (talk) 22:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An alternative is to list alphabetically by surname, such as List of people from Reading, Berkshire and List of people from Doncaster. Mjroots (talk) 22:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If we take it out of the article & put it into a separate list then an alphabetical list would probably be OK eg List of people from Bath (which are often uncited and attract all sorts of vandals) but if it is to stay in the main article prose is recommended by both the WP:UKCITIES and Wikipedia:Good article criteria to avoid bulleted lists. If all the alumni of local schools & others who have some vague connection with Taunton are included in the main article it would overpower the rest of the article - as discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements#Notable people - the largest prose one I've done included in the article is at Glastonbury#Notable people. I think we must have some sort of criteria which filters out the hundreds of links into a small manageable number & I haven't seen anyone come up with that yet.— Rod talk 23:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Has anyone gone through :Category:People from Taunton, Queen's College, Taunton#Notable Old Queenians, King's College, Taunton#Notable Old Aluredians and Taunton School#Notable alumni etc etc & seen how many are involved?— Rod talk 23:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I like rodw's draft of a prose version by the way; if we have to have such a section, this seems the best way of doing it.  Have come up with a list of people from those categories: User:Harrias/Taunton people.  100 people exactly. Harrias talk 07:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I've further populated :Category:People from Taunton with a few Somerset cricketers that were born in the town, and it is now up to 118. I expect we've missed more than a few others too! Harrias talk 07:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Harrias, if you check the links in to each of the school articles, and the Taunton article, you may well find more people who are not categorised but should be. It's certainly looking as though there are enough people to justify a stand-alone list. Format to be decided amongst those who have been involved in this issue but you've got some examples to go on. Mjroots (talk) 08:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
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message: I thought Taunton was all about cider apples. Only one passing mention of cider on this page, and that's under Popular Culture. What has happened to this long tradition? Valetude (talk) 21:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  No cider?