Talk:White genocide (Armenians)

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This article should be nominated for deletion. there's no such thing. If you choose to keep the name, redirect it to Armenian Genocide, and make a fotonote that it's AKA White Genocide. this makes it look like White People were killed by Turks. If that's not Weasly, I don't know what is. also, terms like "Armenians...never allowed to return" are false. There is a sizable Armenian population in Turkey including the Armenian Patriarch.
::the white Genocide in South Africa. or is that going to be shushed up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.20.151 (talk) 06:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The first two comments serve as examples, if any were needed, why those with minimal skill and knowledge of the English language should try to refrain from making comments on English-language Wikipedia. "White" does not refer to "White race", it refers to something that has happened without the actual shedding of blood. Medieval Celtic monks talked about "white martyrdom" (exile from ones homeland) as an only slightly better fate to that of "red martyrdom" (death). Meowy 17:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WOW!! 

message: So, Wikipedia, where is the article about the slow bloodless genocide of the white race?--Imminent Fall of Western Civilisation (talk) 18:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are articles on mass immigration to Europe or immigration policies of different countries, i presume that is probably what you are refereing too, it certainly doesnt fit the definition of "Genocide". BritishWatcher (talk) 20:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually it fits exactly if you'd read the wikipedia that you devoutly worship and everyone knows
Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. I wanted to highlight just parts of it but in all it's racial cultural genocide. in russia this is happening every time their is a suicidde attack a bunch of muslims turn up dead. If muslims think they can live amongst society whilst blowing everything up and raping and killing the people of their host countries, I disagree it is not bloodless, You notice hate crimes are only reported if its a white, but never a black, I think all crimes are hate crimes, but the fact that its glorified as hate crime while the black criminal or jewish criminal goes unnoticed for their hateful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2lhmGj2JyQ  and  another who did it on a temple, what else, this is disgusting and awful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw1OdxYw2MU
White women are the biggest commodity in human trafficking, you CANnot Dismiss that their is a white Genocide. As for mass immigration you see it says mental harm as well. and delibately inflicting on the group conditions of life. And when someone argues whites and oil, the entire jewish holiday of Hannuka is based on a war oil. we all know oil to this day has a jewish mans stamp of approval(SantGearge (talk) 06:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing about the white genocide that is taking place right now? 

message: "Armenia is referred to by many in Armenia and in the diaspora as the “white genocide” (spitak chartuh)"
This quoted sentence doesn't make any sense. Is it even what the source said? The country of Armenia surely doesn't constitute a "genocide" according to the rest of the article--the term refers to assimilation of Armenians in other countries. 67.187.92.105 (talk) 19:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  quote at the bottom 

message: I am patrolling article changes using Stiki and this recent addition to the page was flagged:
"Silent Holocaust - equivalent term for loss of Jews through assimilation"
Due to the sensitive subject matter, I elected to bring it to the attention of the article talk page instead of making a judgement call.  Andrew327 07:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silent Holocaust 

message: Look, this article is about something in Armenian history.  That's it.  It has nothing to do with this fringe belief.  I will continue to delete and revert any content that is unsourced, poorly sourced, or off topic, like this edit.  Andrew327 19:31, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism and other forms of "White Genocide" 

message: This edit, followed by this edit made 12 minutes before the protect, contain WP:FRINGE material unrelated to the subject, yet remain in the locked article.
Blackguard 01:07, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: -- œ™ 04:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 18 April 2013 

message: I don't know if this is the right place to go to because technically it's not about this article, but could there be an article on the hypothesis of White (as in European) genocide? It is a fringe theory, but it is a trope which has been mentioned by politicians across the West, and as long as it is written in a balanced neutral way, and not preachy or biased, it merits a place as much as Holocaust Denial, 9/11 Conspiracies, Young Earth Creationism etc. Tátótát (talk) 14:11, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As you may have read above, I'm opposing that inclusion per WP:FRINGE.  Just because a lot of people talk about young earth or denying the holocaust doesn't mean we have to discuss it in an article. The larger problem is that those inclusions result in a surge of edits fighting for one point of view or another.  "White Genocide" (academically) refers only to Armenians integrating into American or European cultures.  There are no reliable sources that say otherwise. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: However, 9/11 conspiracy theories, Holocaust denial, etc. do all have articles, despite the concern about edit wars. But on the other hand, the mentioned reliable source thing does seem to be a problem here, whereas its not with those theories. mike4ty4 (talk) 22:00, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference is that this conspiracy theory is not sufficiently notable to deserve its own article.  When Oliver Stone makes a fringe movie or when Popular Mechanics writes a book debunking it, it might be worth inclusion in the same way that the JFK assassination and 9/11 have conspiracy articles.  Andrew327 10:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Fringe theory 

message: Governments of the West really are trying to cut down the white populations. Minorities get great paying affirmative action jobs while even college degreed whites are crushed by student debt and cannot afford more children. Instead immigrants flood into our countries!
They are trying to kill off white people!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.130.232.239 (talk) 01:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Look at white demographics 

message: I think it's about time that enforced diversity was mentioned in the current white genocide of the west.
With the acceptable dehumanisation of the west and white people, can it be added?
I refer to the following.
http://www.un.org/en/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf
Unless of course, you are party, then I would understand why.  
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.110.175 (talk) 17:58, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diversity 

message: I think it would perhaps be good to add an etymological section to the article, explaining why Armenians call it 'white genocide' (this is never explained) and a disclaimer pointing out that they term (as used by Armenians) is distinct from the term as used to describe demographic changes in Western countries.
I agree. I'm American so immediately I thought "wait, like the Nazis?". I think "white" here doesn't refer to a racial category, but white in the sense of "bloodless". Like instead of "red genocide" which is murder, I think this is trying to say "white genocide" in the sense of cultural assimilation. Like how the White Revolution in Iran is called "white" because it was bloodless. 152.23.221.169 (talk) 18:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Hello, although I understand that "White Genocide" in the white nationalist context, I don't think we should ignore that most English Wikipedia users will read "White Genocide" and believe it's referring to the conspiracy theory (whether or not they believe in the conspiracy). That being said I think the title of this page should include something that distinguishes between the two to prevent future confusion and edit wars led by white nationalists and Armenian Genocide deniers. Possibly something like "White Genocide (Armenia)" or "White Genocide (Armenian Diaspora)". Or if the claim that "White Genocide" has been used throughout history not in the context of race (although that seems like a convenient claim for white nationalists) then maybe even combine the two White Genocide pages with different sections like "In Armenia", "Conspiracy Theory", and "Other Uses."
I'm just spit balling and I don't know the best solution, but this seems like edit wars and confused Wikipedia users will continue until this is clarified. Pokerplayer513 (talk) 20:55, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Title Change 

message: This edit added a table, but it seems to me that the table does not belong in this article. The table is about massacres, while the article is about the destruction of culture. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:06, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Violent extermination was already within the scope of this article. Newimpartial (talk) 12:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table