Talk:Ludovico Ariosto

message: I don't have the time or the inclination to fix the rather severe stylistic errors in this page. It almost seems like it was mechanically translated from Italian and lightly proofed by someone who speaks English only as a second or third language. I think I caught most of the worst grammatical and spelling errors, however, and I think all of the sentences at least make sense, now.
Is there any chance we can have a link to the original Italian article? I could help with editing. [Scarlett McQueen]
:There's a link to the Italian down the left column (with the other languages links) or it:Ludovico Ariosto.  Is that what you are looking for? John (Jwy) 20:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: Given that this is a little teensy bit in the lead, why not just call this poem an epic, without further qualification? Is there a reason why the first sentence of the article has to define exactly what type of epic poem the Orlando Furioso is? --Akhilleus (talk) 16:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, why not? This has been pretty amusing but it's starting to drag now. --Folantin (talk) 16:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

text: To add to that: "The term 'romantic poetry' was first used of Ariosto and Tasso and the mediaeval romances from which their themes and 'machinery' were derived. It occurs in this sense in France in 1669, and England in 1674, and certainly Thomas Warton understood it to mean this when he wrote the introductory dissertation to his History of English Poetry (1774), 'The Origin of Romantic Fiction in Europe'."  (BTW Britannica also refers to Orlando furioso as a "romantic epic" ).--Folantin (talk) 09:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Indeed. This  even says outright that "The Romantic period gets its name from the influence of Renaissance romances such as Ludovico Ariosto's Orlando furioso...". I hinted as much five days ago: "Romanticism as a movement cropped up rather late in the day and was partially inspired by these Italian romantic epics (for instance, Byron translated one canto of Pulci and used ottava rima in Don Juan, a work which has quite a lot of Ariostan irony and irreverence)." --Folantin (talk) 10:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, but I am saying, it was also the 18th to 19th century "Romantics" who made "romance" a term relating to "fantastic/heroic quest literature": Originally, "romance" was a purely linguistic term, meaning "written in a Latinate vernacular". The Romance (genre) article is missing this, but I think it was Marie de France whose works were the first to be called "romance" by contemporaries, because in her day (12th c.!) it was rather exceptional to write in the vernacular.  --dab (𒁳) 11:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. In fact, I was just reading Nicholas Ostler's Ad Infinitum: A Biography of Latin the other week. On pp.178-79 he describes how the literary term "romance" was derived from the linguistic term romanice ("popular language derived from Latin"). --Folantin (talk) 11:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

text: ...and the term "romantic epic" is used by The Cambridge History of Italian Literature to refer to works by Pulci, Boiardo and Ariosto  (p.243). Everything has been explained to you at enormous length but you don't seem willing or able to understand it. --Folantin (talk) 15:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your link does not use the term in capitalized manner, nor uses it as a technical term. Thus, your link does not support your claims. Furthermore, as seen on page 238, "romantic" is used as "romantic-chivalric", and thus does not mean "Romantic" but is one half of a descriptive whole. Finally, this is not a "dictionary" of the term nor provides an actual definition. It is a minor use without any actual basis behind it. It is also not a technical work put together by epic genre scholars. It is a summary work bby critics that do not specialize in the area. Thus, it fails under WP:RS and WP:FRINGE. Please reread these two sections before trying to use a work improperly for support. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

text: This is not a vote. WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:FRINGE demand that only scholarly sources based on weight are allowed to have the decision. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Connoisseurs of irony might want to check out Ottava's philosophy of editing (and even perhaps leave comments there). Note that he appears to be under some kind of 0RR limitation so these endless talk page discussions are going to have little bearing on mainspace content. --Folantin (talk) 19:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Couldn't we just call it an epic?

message: This is not about "Christian epic" but in a way related to it. It makes sense to use this category for Dante Alighieri, Torquato Tasso and others who espressed in their works central concepts of Christian theology; but Ariosto - as far as I know - never did it. I suggest to cancel the attribution to this category. --Broletto (talk) 10:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, looking at the category page for Catholic poets , this should be for figures who are famous for composing religious verse and/or converts to Catholicism (e.g. Gerard Manley Hopkins). Simply being brought up in a Catholic country at a time when virtually everybody in Western Europe was baptised into the Catholic Church isn't enough. Ariosto isn't famous for his piety. --Folantin (talk) 11:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Andrew Frichter stated otherwise. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I regret my deep ignorance: couldn't find anything about Andrew Frichter. Can you please help me? Thanks.--Broletto (talk) 17:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, Fichter. See above. in the first few sections and you will see the discussion. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I should read again that discussion.--Broletto (talk) 16:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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