Talk:Bulbasaur/Archive 1

message: I moved the following from the main page to here:
For more information:
Pokemon Information
Wikipedia is not a collection of links.  -- Zoe
You're right, and I'm working on the rest of the article texts. For now, though, these DO provide the info... AnnieKat
There, first of 151+... AnnieKat
If you need more information, pop into this Pokemon's Talk page. - what does this mean? -- Zoe
Heh, I'll link it to this. Since you've stuck the links in here...
Ru/Sa is coming out soon. New Pokefreaks will arise. And perhaps they'll wish to know about pooor Bulbie.
Anyone want to help out with developing a standard entry format for Pokemon (like the standard formats for countries, chemical elements, species and the like)? I've converted the Bulbasaur page to a first attempt, but it's a "written at 4:30am" kind of attempt, really, and needs work. ^_~ -- Schnee 02:36, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Random Help

message: The infobox for signalling that this is a spoken article should be at the top.  It's pretty pointless for a blind guy to use a speech synthesizer all the way to the end before finding out theres a recording.  I'm not too sure where to put it though, without weirding out the layout.  I'll leave this to other guys. - Hahnchen 22:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah - I saw that too. Is there a way of putting it right of the TOC? --Celestianpower háblame 08:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is. Make a table with two horizontal cells. Put __TOC__ in the left one and  in the right one.SoothingR 09:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So User:ALoan has moved the spoken article back to the bottom because of whitespace in IE.  Is that where it's going to stay? - Hahnchen 21:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd rather it was at the top. What do others think? --Celestianpower háblame 22:32, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The rules as to the spoken box's location are pretty vague--personally I think they should always be at the top of an article (they require a lot of work, and are way more important than "Links and References").  I'd say put it at the top, but being a featured article candidate, it may be best to leave it just to be sure the article looks the best it can :). -WAZAAAA 01:19, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Spoken Article 

message: How come this is the only Pokemon page without German and French names at the beginning of it? I have tried to put them on at various moments, but they keep vanishing. Why is this? NP Chilla 09:11, 1 February 2006
:I suggest you add them in a "Bulbasaur in other languages" section at the bottom ofthe article. CG 15:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  They were removed through a discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bulbasaur. Please comment there if you disagree. --Celestianpower háblame 20:22, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was argued that names in other languages aren't important information. That's why they shouldn't be put in the intro of the article. But many anime characters have an "in other languages" section (see The Smurfs). CG 20:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Smurfs are animated, surely, but whatever “anime” is, exactly, I don’t think they’re it. :-P -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Personally, I think it's the other articles that have a problem - Japanese and English are almost exclusively the names used for Pokemon as they are created in Japan and widely marketed in the US, and this is the English Wikipedia, not German or French. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 18:20, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But why does this one have to be different? This is the only creature out of 395 that has its Deutsch and Français names at the end of the article; whilst all other monsters have theirs at the beginning, where it catches the attention of a browser. (And, let's not forget, it's not a featured article candidate anymore, so it doesn't have to be different anyway.) NP Chilla 20:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ummm, yes it is.--Celestianpower háblame 22:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  Put it this way: change the other ones if there's a problem with this one being different. —Cuiviénen,  14:01, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the French/Korean/German names from the three Kanto starters and their evolutions. I'm going in order based on the National Pokedex, so this may take a long time. AceticAcid 08:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  By the end of August all Pkemon articles will have their French and German names added at the front of the article. From Wikipedia: Pokemon Adoption Center/ Style -- This should say that the Pokémon is a fictional character from the Pokémon franchise and what its name is in Japanese (and German and French, if possible). --71.193.71.50 16:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not add the French or German names to Pokémon articles, they aren't important. English is our language, and japanese is their original name, French and German have little impact. Highway Return to Oz... 16:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Where do the French and German names keep disappearing to?

message: Isn't it usual to use "straight" quotes rather than “curly” ones?  And shouldn;t the footnotes appear after the puntuation, not before?  And finally, can someone convert to the <ref> style (see :m:Cite/Cite.php)? -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ALoan (talk • contribs) .
:Either is acceptable according to the Manual of Style. I think the curved typographical quotes look more professional, especially in a Featured Article candidate, which, as some of the best work Wikipedia has to offer, may someday make it into print in Wikipedia: 1.0. Most articles use straight marks, but that’s likely just because few contributors want to make the effort.
:If you don’t like the footnotes, check the Manual of Style and correct them, as for the citation parsers, I don’t know how to do that, if you do, maybe you could? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 18:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Typewriter, or "straight" quotes are by far more common, although there is no consensus on which version to use. Since there is no consensus, a mass conversion is improper unless there is consensus for that particular article to do so. Yes, the footnotes should appear after the punctuation. As for converting to <ref>, that needs to be agreed upon first. Pagrashtak 22:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Twiddly points

message: What’s with the change from “Ash” to “Ketchum”? I can see mixing them up for variety, but as his surname is little-used, it seems inappropriate to me, and frankly sounds a little ridiculous( my opinion). Is there something in the Manual of Style that states a preference for surname even when a person or fictional character is almost exclusively called by his given name? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - "Ketchum" is rarely mentioned - "Ash" is used almost exclusively. Could we change it back? --Celestianpower háblame 13:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 16:14, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ketchum

message: If a reference can be found, this would be a good indication of Bulbasaur’s cultural impact, and should be restored. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 18:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone should restore that, then. Perhaps I will. Or not. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Computer worm

message: Amazingly, this article is a featured article in English but appears to be completely non-existent in the Japanese Wikipedia. Any fellow Japanese speakers care to double-check? I did a brief run through the Japanese version and couldn't find anything under フシギダネ or any other name. Alexthe5th 11:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because the Japanese Wikipedia has all its Pokemon articles in one great long list; . smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 13:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No Japanese article

message: Can someone cite DVDs or episodes with production numbers, instead of or in addition to the Serebii.net episode guide? I think it is extremely inappropriate for a Featured Article to use a fan site( even a high-quality one like that) as the only source for some of its info. By adding the DVD info, we can cite the episodes themselves as primary sources, and get around that. In addition, the episode summaries, while accurate, are TERRIBLY written, I believe by a non-native speaker of English. I consider the site quality because of its scope and accuracy, but the English is often quite poor. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying to go through the articles to find the relevant episodes as references.  However I only have part of the first season as the DVDs weren't made available this side of the Atlantic. --
OverlordKain (talk) 11:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They’re listed at the bottom in the notes section, just commented out. Go to the editing page and scroll way down. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anime

message: The quality of the spoken article is VERY VERY bad, with some changes of volume very depleasant. It is almost unlistenable (or more precisily, unundersatndable for a French!)!
: I recorded it and yes it is bad: it was my first ever one. I hope to rerecord at some point but don't hold you're breath ;) --Celestianpower háblame 18:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you do, keep in mind that you can’t pronounce Japanese words as though they’re English. Fushigidane, for instance, is more like “foo-shee-gee-dah-nay”( hard g, not sure where to put the stress, but I usually stress the penultimate syllable, as that’s a pretty common stress pattern in the Japanese language). You also nelected to update the file information and the template when you re-recorded it. I fixed it in the article, you might want to tackle the file details. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 22:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Listening to some of the Japanese videos, it is difficult to note stress, as stress is less pronounced in Japanese than in English, but it sounds like Rika Matsumoto (the Japanese voice actor for Ash/Satoshi) is saying FU-shi-gi-da-NE with stress slightly falling off then picking up; admittedly I was straining to hear any sort of stress differences at all.  I've certainly never heard fu-shi-gi-DA-ne. --Kain 13:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I hadn’t listened to it before today, but yes, the volume thing is a problem, among others. I’ve been meaning to record it myself for a while actually, since it’s changed so radically. It needs it even more now that it’s featured, but I haven’t had access to a computer with a mic. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 22:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoken article