Talk:Penn State–Pittsburgh football rivalry

message: Why does the info table end with the 1978 game?  Is there some reason it was never fully updated to include games up to the last one in 2000?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Some kind of scientist (talk • contribs) 00:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: no, that's is just all the farther it has gotten, feel free to fill the rest in CrazyPaco (talk) 04:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I finished off the series CrazyPaco (talk) 04:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Table of Game Outcomes

message: As far as I can ascertain, the Pitt-PSU rivalry has never, ever been referred to as the "Pennsylvania Classic". That was the former name of the PGA tour's 84 Lumber Classic and a former college hoops tournament in the 70s featuring Pitt, Penn State, Duquesne and Penn. "Pennsylvania Classic" is not a term popularly known or recognized, nor has it any reference in national or local publications according to multiple on-line archive searches.  For instance, it has zero hits in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette as a term relating to the Pitt-Penn State series.  Neither Pitt's nor PSU's web sites have any mention of this term as relating to the rivalry, and this includes Pitt's digital archives that includes all student yearbooks from 1907 to 1980 as well as many electronically archived media guides. Likewise, the use of the term referring to the school rivalry cannot be found in national publications such as Sports Illustrated's archive search or through Google's newspaper or book archive repository. Out of all of these searches, there is only one Penn State football book which is copyright May 2009 (that does not have an available preview) from Alphascript Publishing that is notorious for assembling wikipedia articles into books for sale without credit to the article contributors. This book has this term in its description and it undoubtedly, if using it for the Pitt-PSU rivalry, must have gotten this term from Wikipedia due to the lack of earlier sources. Wikipedia is in danger of becoming a self-perpetuating instrument this misnomer, as it seems to be the original source in violation of original research, so I have moved the page appropriately away from "Pennsylvania Classic" and redirected "Pennsylvania Classic" to its more appropriate page "84 Lumber Classic". I did so in a bold manner because of the seemingly imminent danger of the incorrect use of this term possibly taking on a life of its own.
A recent series between Pitt and Penn State's baseball teams has been termed "Keystone Classic", which was also used as the name of  the college basketball tournament in the 50s, a two-night basketball doubleheader in the 70s, and a long standing horse race for freshman colt pacers in October at The Meadows, and that is as close as I have found for anything related to a name for the rivalry.
The only conclusion to draw is that there is no official or universally popularized name for the rivalry. If this is incorrect, please post any reference to the use of this term pre-December 2007, when this Wikipedia article was seemingly incorrectly renamed as such. I have not found any pre-2007 uses of this term, but would happily revert if appropriate reliable sources can be produced. CrazyPaco (talk) 21:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: All alphascript titles are wikipedia articles in printed form. It is self-stated by company. Kasaalan (talk) 19:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This rivalry was never called the "Pennsylvania Classic"