Talk:Huxley family

message: "He married Jocelyn Richenda Pease, distantly related to the Pease Family." - quite closely related, I would have thought, but so what? Who are they? --Hugh7 01:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is referring to the Pease family (Darlington) who were prominent in the 1800's in the north of England.  However they are quite distant with a common ancestor in the mid-1700s.  She is the grand-daughter of Edward Reynolds Pease if anyone is interested. --Erp (talk) 03:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrew's wife 

message: From the above deletion debate, a good book to expand the article and provide sources, would be: The Huxleys by Ronald W. Clark (McGraw-Hill, 398 pp.). Carcharoth 06:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do. Just have to find the book in my stacks.--Wloveral (talk) 12:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested source for expansion 

message: I'm turning over in my mind the possiblity of adding some family members with other surnames, that is, descended from daughters. Seems at least genetically sound, but would have to be well justified. Do we have any guidelines on this?  Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting question, the Darwin/Wedgwood family page lists others.  BTW Andrew's full brother whose name I can't recall had a longish obit in the New York Times when he died I think in the early 90's.  --Erp (talk) 03:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I would have thought it sexist to include descendents with the Huxley name more willingly than descendents who are equally connected but through a female line. Budhen (talk) 12:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite so, though we're long past that now. Notability is the only criterion. The article contains information about all descendents whose notability seems established. Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And several whose notability is weak (e.g., Rachel Huxley and her children). --Erp (talk) 05:13, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of family biogs 

message: IMHO, the family tree image should be placed below the introduction.--Wloveral (talk) 12:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout 

message: It is not accurate to say, without qualification, that THH was against the Anglican Church. Why? Because at the time the struggle between the traditional high church and the young liberal church was at its peak (Essays and Reviews). THH was friendly with some of the latter, and in cahoots with a couple (see X-club). His struggle was against a) any literal or near-literal belief in the Bible, b) any authoritarian church structures and c) indoctrination of the young. He was directly antagonistic to teaching any sectarian beliefs in school, but not to children reading the Bible. He was really outspoken against the Catholic church on all these grounds. This is why a simple formula such as "He successfully campaigned against the stifling of scientific debate by the Church of England" just will not do, though it has crept into some other articles in WP. 
Some phrases from the X-club article: "Thus, by 1864, the members of the X Club were joined in a fight, both public and private, to unite the London scientific community with the objective of furthering the ideas of academic liberalism" and "The men of the club all shared an interest in natural history, naturalism, and a more general pursuit of intellectual thought free from religious influence, commonly referred to as academic liberalism". These phrases put the emphasis on freedom of thought & expression, but it is also true that THH was combative angainst any religions and/or laws that would obstruct such liberalism.
All this in explanation of the edits here and elsewhere where I remove blanket statements (eg THH vs Church of England) and substitute slightly more complicated, but more accurate wording. These issues are gone over in the main THH article and in most of the twenty or so biographies of THH. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  THH & religion 

message: Now all members discussed are in the Hux fam category if they have independent articles in WP. The graphic tree remains seriously incomplete. In addition to the data in the article, there is a reasonable tree in The Huxleys by Ronald W. Clark, with the first three generations descended from THH. I mention this in case anyone feels brilliant, and wants to redo our tree. Macdonald-ross (talk) 17:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And exactly how complete should the family tree be? By my count Andrew Huxley alone has 15 descendants (including one g-grandchild), none of whom have their own wiki article or probably are significant enough to have their own wiki article.--Erp (talk) 19:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I would say the three generations after THH would be good. After all, Clark has already done the searching work (I have no evidence that there are any errors or omissions). Macdonald-ross (talk) 21:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been playing a bit with genealogyj and the Huxley family since it can produce SVG files from GED data (and is open software). I think using SVG instead of PNG would allow people to zoom in a bit but the current SVG report within genealogyJ needs some work. I would personally omit the names of all non-wiki significant people unless they connect two significant people.  the Wedgwood-Darwin-Galton tree is certainly not complete to five generations (to begin with it omits several of the first and second Josiah Wedgwoods' children).  It also omits people like CV Wedgwood and the first Lord Wedgwood though it does a bit better on the Darwin side (though several of Charles Darwin's children are omitted). --Erp (talk) 22:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Thank you, that's interesting. It's clear the discussion needs to be more detailed, so I've posted some thoughts on your talk page. We can summarise here when/if we reach an agreed plan. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huxley family category 

message: Anybody got Francis Galton's connection written up already?
Otherwise, I will do it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.154.22.115 (talk) 01:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What connection?  There is a very distant one through Angela Huxley's marriage, but, I'm unaware of any other.  Or are you talking a non-relative connnection?--Erp (talk) 01:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

text: There's no meaningful family connection. Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Francis Galton 

message: In both this article and in John Collier (artist) Mady's name is spelled both "Marian" and "Marion".  Which is correct?  (She is distinct from Noel Huxley Waller's wife and his daughter, both named Marion, so be careful editing.) 58.147.60.97 (talk) 07:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct as Marian in the original text and family tree; the misspelling crept in from the file name of photographs. Macdonald-ross (talk) 14:15, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of Mady's name 

message: It is not for an unregistered used to flag an article without first discussing the matter properly on this talk page. As it happens, another user has made sensible changes to the intro, so the flag can come down. Macdonald-ross (talk) 17:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: This section strikes me as having problems with WP:OR and WP:NPOV. As I don't have the time or the access to sources to fix this myself, I thought I'd leave a note here with my concerns.
Examples:
:"For him to pass up such a golden opportunity speaks of his state of mind"
:Comment: The preceding sentences about his apparent lack of interest in the Great Barrier Reef are referenced to Huxley's diary, and this sentence is unreferenced. Who's opinion is it that this speaks of his state of mind? As it is stated in Wikipedia's voice, I assume it is the author's, which would make it original research.
:"This is enough to indicate the way depression (or perhaps a moderate bi-polar disorder) interfered with his life, but he was able to function well at other times."
:Comment: According to what criteria is that enough? What RS states that these seemingly disparate anecdotes are enough to indicate anything? Where do these possible diagnoses come from?
137.43.188.81 (talk) 14:43, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Long enough for this section to be hanging around so I've removed it.  The only secondary source was Galton, Francis 1892. Hereditary genius. London, xix which is out of date and isn't even used to support mental health issues in the family.  All the rest is primary sources use to support an editor's thesis (@Subsume who added it in October 2007). Erp (talk) 08:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mental Health Issues in the family 

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