Talk:Man with No Name

message: Nearly everything in the "Similar Characters" section seems to be completely irrelevant to this article. This article begins with the stipulation that, "This article is about the film character played by Clint Eastwood" -- but most of the cited examples have absolutely nothing in common with Eastwood's character, aside from having no specified name. (In particular, comparing Eastwood's character to the protagonist from the "Kill Bill" movies, the Prince from the "Prince of Persia" game, or Boba Fett are all just utterly ridiculous.)
I strongly suggest removing the entire "Similar Characters" section; or at the very least, limiting the entries within it to characters that are directly and unquestionably inspired by Eastwood's "Man With No Name." Merely being nameless does NOT make a character "similar" in anything but the most superficial sense. FireHorse 12:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree with FireHorse. This section is original research which is against WP guidelines. I must admit in trying to trawl through this section I did not get past Bronson as "Harmonica"... and Harmonica is in my opinion not a similar character at all; he is secretly on a quest for revenge (that is absolutely the key aspect of the character) and Eastwood's character was not. Format 20:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been quite a while since I left the comments above. If no one has any objections, I'm going to remove everything from the "Similar Characters" section except items that are clearly based on or inspired by Eastwood's "Man With No Name." Objections...? FireHorse (talk) 20:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Similar Characters?" 

message: I would like to merge this article with the very similar article, "The Man with No Name." Any objections? 
--Draugen 06:34, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: I replace "Monco" by "Manco", the right spanish word for one-handed
:"Manco" may indeed be the Spanish word for "one-handed" but the film's dialog (and subtitles provided on the US and UK DVDs) indicate "Monco" is the correct nickname for the Eastwood character.  The credits provided in Christopher Frayling's 'Something To Do With Death' Leone biography list "Monco" as the character's name.  Robert C. Cumbow's 'Once Upon A Time:  The Films of Sergio Leone' also references the character's name as "Monco".  The Internet Movie Database (IMDb) has the character listed as "Monco."  In fact all reliable sources say "Monco", not "Manco".  If all these sources are incorrect, which I suppose is possible, then actual sources of information (such as interviews with screenwriters or cast members) should be provided if anyone insists upon changing the name to "Manco".
::I found a 1998 interview with screenwriter Luciano Vincenzoni (http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/classic/articles/vince.html), in which he was asked (by interviewer Cenk Kiral) what the correct name for the Eastwood character was.  He replied that the name was "Monco," and added "in Italian it means a man with only one hand."  So, its definitely "Monco", not "Manco".  As suspected by viewers more astute than myself, the filmmakers apparently DID intend the nickname as a subtle "fitting joke" regarding The Man With No Name's occasional favoring of his shooting arm in the film.Hal Raglan 13:41, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is fairly good that Sergio Leone himself says that his nickname is "Monco". But, what has to do an italian word in a western movie, located in a spanish language place? The man who speaks of him clearly says "Manco". So, I think there's a little mistake in the film itself, if they "officialy" gave the character the name of Monco. What I'm saying is that the "official" nickname Monco is probably a goof of the italian producers. Nazroon 06:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The law offical near the beginning of 'A Few Dollars More' clearly states that Clint Eastwood's character is named "Manco".  In Italian, "Monco" would still be pronounced as it is written and "Manco" would sound as is is written.  There is no pronounciation difference between English and Italian for the two words.  Since "Manco" is clearly pronounced, one would have to assume that this would be the preferred pronounciation and spelling.  I would agree with the user (Nazroon) that it was probably a mistake on the original audio dub or a mistake by the producers.  It is the only time that any character states officially what the Clint Eastwood character's name is, and it clearly says "Manco" (<<<<Suggested Edit: the Indio character also refers clearly to Clint Eastwood's character as "Manco". He asks the big fat sidekick guy: "How long have you known that Manco's a bounty killer". It's just before the final big gun fight. >>>> ).  If it was supposed to be "Monco", then someone made a mistake at somepoint because that name did not make it to the final film.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayhemproducer (talk • contribs) 16:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  misprint 

message: Surely the picture accompanying this article ('The Man With No Name from the Dollars Trilogy, played by Clint Eastwood') is not in fact taken from any of the Dollars Trilogy movies? I'm not sure which Eastwood movie it's actually from (possibly "Hang 'Em High"?) but the overall appearence doesn't resemble any of the costumes Eastwood wore in his 'spagetti westerns'. Is it possible to source a more relevant photo? Demos99 09:03, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough - if the picture was from one of the MWNN movies. I still think it looks like it could be from 'Hang 'Em High' in which Eastwood's character *does* have a name: Marshal Jed Cooper. (See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061747 .) Apart from the Dollars Trilogy, the only other MWNN movies Eastwood's made have been 'High Plains Drifter' (which could be a 'possible' source for the still (although I'm not convinced)) where he's 'The Stranger' and 'Pale Rider', where he's 'Preacher'. In any case, I feel it's fair to say that the MWNN persona is more closely associated in most people's minds with the Dollars Trilogy and just feel that a more 'indisputable' picture should be used. Demos99 00:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition, the 'place text' for the disputed picture is "The Man With No Name from the Dollars Trilogy, played by Clint Eastwood", which is clearly inaccurate, since I think we both agree it's *not* from the Dollars Trilogy. Demos99 00:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Its somewhat contested and unconfirmed that Yojimbo is based on Red Harvest, so am removing "Although ultimately based on Red Harvest by Dashiell Hammett". Highlandlord 16:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Harvest 

message: I just deleted a section of text that was repeated verbatim in the 'filmography' section from the 'Similar Characters' section, and it was reverted.  Why?  Jonabbey 04:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicated Text 

message: This article makes the claim that both the film A Fistful of Dollars as well as the "man with no name" character were both directly plagiarized from the film Yojimbo and that the makers of the film actually sued over it. Until this can backed up with some actual citations I think the "unreferenced" tag should remain on this article. -- Grandpafootsoldier 07:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While we're at it, I'm scrapping the uncited (and almost certainly incorrect) picture caption assertion that GBU was "illegally" copied from Yojimbo. Vonspringer 03:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism and Lawsuit? 

message: The following smacks of original research.  I don't think it belongs in the article, but I've moved it here in the hopes that it can be properly sourced and put back into the main article. --142.103.211.144 21:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm very skeptical of the identification for Dollars. The man is portrayed as determinedly mortal - he gets injured and beaten up all the time, and he needs a metal shield to do his Yojimbo-invulnerability trick, and so on. And further, I'd question the article's description of him as 'superhuman'. If he is so superhuman, then why in For a Few Dollars More is Colonel Mortimer specifically portrayed as being a better shot and more experienced skilled fighter than him? --Gwern  (contribs) 16:47 2 August 2008 (GMT) 16:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  original research: supernatural interpretation 

message: Some instances, at least, of the Man With No Name may not be, or be intended as, human in the normal sense of the word.  There is a wealth of supernatural symbolism around the general stock character:
* "Pale Rider" is an ancient epithet for, or emblem of, Death personified.
* Similarly, a pale or white horse (the Man's usual mount) is traditionally portrayed as Death's steed (as in Revelation).
* Folklore of many cultures attaches mystical, occult, and/or demonic significance to a wanderer with no name or identity.
* The Man With No Name is frequently credited with weapons skill, perceptions, charisma, foresight, stamina, keenness of mental perception, and/or detachment well beyond ordinary human capacity and into the realm of the supernatural.
* His separation from and contempt for human society, while not psychopathic (it is evident that he acts from some sort of moral code, though its nature is unclear and alien to the society around him), suggests a mode of existence far removed from that of others.
In High Plains Drifter, the Man's identification as an avenging spirit comes as close to explicit as possible without being directly stated:  at the end of the film, a townsman carving a grave marker asks him his name, and he answers, "You know my name," and the camera pans to the name on the grave marker (that of a sheriff murdered by the very outlaws who had just been massacred).
In Pale Rider, the Stranger is shown with the scars of flatly unsurvivable bullet wounds in his back, and rides into town on a pale horse just as a young woman is reading the requisite verse of Revelation: "death on a pale horse..."  Another character recognises his description but states that the man matching it is dead.  Eastwood has identified the character as a ghost in an interview available at http://www.clinteastwood.net/welcome.html.
Supporting evidence for a supernatural view of The Man With No Name is thinner for the "The Dollars Trilogy", but the process by which the Man acquires his signature clothing (from a character named Angel-eyes, and a dying man) in GBU is suggestive of a shamanic rebirth or initiation, or an occult bargain.  This slight suggestion of the supernatural in the last film of the trilogy may have been a presage of the more explicit supernaturalism of High Plains Drifter and Pale Rider.
*  There is 'Taboo Deformation' where the name of a feared entity is changed.  This occurs with wolves, bears, etc.  Also, there is where the revered, the 'sacred god', has a name that cannot be mentioned- is ineffable- and is altered out of respect, as in the Jewish use of 'G_d'.
:I'm very skeptical of the identification for Dollars. The man is portrayed as determinedly mortal - he gets injured and beaten up all the time, and he needs a metal shield to do his Yojimbo-invulnerability trick, and so on. And further, I'd question the article's description of him as 'superhuman'. If he is so superhuman, then why in For a Few Dollars More is Colonel Mortimer specifically portrayed as being a better shot and more experienced skilled fighter than him? --Gwern  (contribs) 16:47 2 August 2008 (GMT) 16:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Supernatural Interpretation of the Man With No Name

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Yojimbo.jpg

message: "Occasional Nicknames" states the following: "The credits for A Fistful of Dollars list Eastwood's character as "Joe" and though the undertaker in the movie calls him by that name, he is the only character to do so (and it is further worth noting that "Joe" is often used as a generic nickname). Thus, during the entire incident in the beginning of the movie, he uses only his left hand when lighting his cigar, dealing the cards and striking the man he is hunting (keeping the right hand on his gun the whole time)." I'm assuming there's supposed to be something in there about "Monco," correct? intooblv (talk) 03:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occasional Nicknames 

message: So, I've been wondering. Why did Eastwood stop playing the character? The movies seemed to be fairly successful both critically and definitely commercially, and based on how well-received spaghetti westerns continued to be made (Once Upon A Time), so it wasn't for lack of good ideas or lack of financing or external discouragement. Why then did he stop? --Gwern  (contribs) 16:59 2 August 2008 (GMT)
:Moasty likely he feared of being type-casted  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.13.205.166 (talk) 12:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He also fell out with Sergio Leone. Whether this was just artistic differences or more personal, I don't know. They supposedly made up before Leone died. The Yeti (talk) 22:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why did Clint quit? 

message: He is characteristically soft-spoken and laconic, speaking only when necessary, with as few words as possible.
So, calling him "laconic" suggests that he doesn't speak much.
Describing him as, "speaking only when necessary" seems slightly redundant.
"with as few words as possible" really has me wondering if this is a bit of a joke.
Saying the same thing three times over, to indicate that a person doesn't talk much, just sounds like someone was having fun with the content. Or is it just in my head? 139.57.100.104 (talk) 23:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the sentence was written by three different people, each thinking the previous version insufficiently explicit. —Tamfang (talk) 15:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a subtle joke? 

message: All of this information is completely unsourced or completely useless. Such a section is not a bad idea, but this junk needs to stay out of it unless sources are found. I'm placing it here for now in case anyone wants to sift through it. TTN (talk) 18:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I watched MM3 this evening and Max is definitely introduced as, among other things, "The Man With No Name".  Unfortunately there appears to be no way to add a link to my BluRay player and it'd break if I now watch another film. Mr Larrington (talk) 03:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular culture

message: * Ponchos are traditional clothing from Peru or Mexico, there are as many ponchos in Spain as in Italy or Norway. The claim that it was found in Spain should be backed up with a link.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.159.41.25 (talk) 17:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poncho in Spain? 

message: In Rango, the Spirit of the West is presented as "The Man With No Name". Is this a reference, or not? should it be included in the page? 24.151.237.124 (talk) 20:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearance in [[Rango (2011 film)|Rango?]] 

message: Should The Stranger(Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath)be mentioned in this page.~Tailsman67~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.48.207 (talk) 23:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath 

message: This article has more information about Yojimbo and Red Harvest than it actually does about the Man With No Name.  The information about yojimbo/red harvest would be better served in their own articles with only minor references here; as is, this article is very bad.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by L.cash.m (talk • contribs) 23:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: According to IMDb, the character's name is Joe and this article itself says that. So, in answer to your question, article's purpose seems to be to convince us that Joe has no name. Since the evidence won't be found in the movie, the article seeks evidence from other sources. 68.173.49.156 (talk) 02:13, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Bafflingly, the article demands a citation for the statement that UA created the MWNN persona concept - it's in the flipping American release trailers, written by the American distributors! It's not in the movies, it's not in the scripts, it's not Leone's idea and there's no evidence that it is. But there's a goldarn trailer with it, spoken by an American. Why on earth is a citation needed again? There seems to be a huge wealth of information on Wikipedia that doesn't have citations; what's this obsession with them? Surely they're needed only where something is disputed or else is disputable within sound reason? 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:FD8A:DD5E:FE4D:BD61 (talk) 16:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article's purpose? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I note that the "Concept and creation" section has more info about Yojimbo and Mifune than about Eastwood and Leone. I don't necessarily have any suggestions about how to change that. I am posting this in case anyone who might know (or want to research) things and make any changes to the article that they see fit. MarnetteD|Talk 02:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Article oddity

message: A look at these does not give a definitive answer as to the poncho. The design on it is more memorable than the color. It is also important to note that it isn't seen until the very end of GBU so hyperbolic words like iconic or signature are POV. Of course if any sourcing can be found onee way or the other then that could be used in the article. MarnetteD|Talk 18:02, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Color of the poncho

message: I just deleted the following sentence from the Concept and creation section as it has nothing to do with the Man with No Name:
A subsequent film, Last Man Standing (1996) starring Bruce Willis, is a credited remake of Yojimbo.
Straffin (talk) 16:24, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It is relevant if you actually read the section. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 23:22, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi TOJ. I don't know if you saw my post above, IMO this article has too much info about Yojimbo, Kurosawa and Mifune. Mifune's character has not been been described in reliable secondary sources as "TMwNN". While the first Fistful film was based on Yojimbo, FaFDM and TGtBatU are not. In the same vein the info about Red Harvest is only tangentially related to Fistful. While there are plenty of sources LMS is a remake of Yojimbo that doesn't apply to any relationship to Dollars. In some ways the only info about Yojimbo that is relevant is how Leone didn't get AK's permission for using his film as the basis for Dollars. Now these are just my thoughts and I certainly understand if you disagree. I do hope that someday another editor(s) come along and help put the focus of the article back on Clint's character. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 23:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruce Willis and [[Last Man Standing]] are irrelevant 

message: This article is incomplete and is missing important citations for its information. The appearances in literature section needs to be rewritten so that it briefly details the character's appearance in each work with proper citations. This section should also include the character's appearances in film as well with the same detailing and citation applying to it. If there is any more information out there on the character's concept and creation then it should be added to the article with proper citations. The article is also missing important information on the character's reception and legacy which needs to be added to the article with the proper citations. This article has potential like most article to be GA and FA status if enough attention is given to it. Hopefully sooner rather than later.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:51, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Information and Citation 

message: should the main character of the mandalorian series be mentioned? his mannerism and attitude is quite similar to the man with no name and i believe the series as a whole is referred as a "space western" or some similar title. Rakspak (talk) 00:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  the mandalorian 

message: Can we change the top picture to this MV5BMGRmNGFkMjctY2M2OC00NWU3LTljY2EtY2ViOWI4NjY1ODM1XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDczMTAyNTg@._V1_.jpg (558×793) (media-amazon.com) MrCboY1997 (talk) 00:53, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if it is uploaded to Wikimedia Commons without violating any copyright. —Tamfang (talk) 00:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing The Front Picture?