Talk:Comfort women/Archive 2

message: * Two Comfort women of US soldiers commit suicide  Donga Ilbo, 21st July 1945.
* Comfort women killed by US soldiers   Donga Ilbo, 10th, May 1957. --Lulusuke 04:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  victims of male-dominated societies* 

message: At present there are several external links in the article that do not result in relevant information, e.g. 9, 10, 11 and the Comfort Women Project. They ought to be repaired or removed.♥ Stuart LaJoie → overleg 21:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely.Phonemonkey 23:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: You mean footnotes 9,10,11 rather than external links? I think they should be included for reader's reference, unless the article becomes too heavy. Let's try to add rather than to delete.218.216.99.67 01:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Repair or remove dead links

message: The title "Yoshida and Hata" is inappropriate because there was no controversy between them. The fact is that Yoshida made a fake confession and many people doubted it. The first person that found the lie was not Hata but a reporter of the Juje Times. As a result, Yoshida admitted it was a "novel" (the publisher also said so).Hata, ibid. So the title should be changed as "Yoshida's confession and its disproof." Ikedanobuo 06:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yoshida's fake confession

message: Japanese government set up "Iansho" (comfort station) with the request of the U.S. Army after WW2 by Recreation and Amusement Association, and Korean Army set up "Koteishiki Iansho" for their Army and U.S. Army during Korean War. (Yes, it's different from RAA but the same "Iansho" in Japanese). And, as I said, U.S. Army employed sex slaves during Vietnam War. In particular, the "comfort girls" employed by RAA was called "Ianfu" in Japanese, so this article should include RAA.
Prof. Hata suggests that, if the U.S. Congress blames Japan for sex slaves, Japanese government had better remind them that the U.S. Army also employed sex slaves. So if you call the Ianfu "sex slaves", it's fair to cite the same systems by the U.S and Korea. But I recommend you not to use such sensational expression that makes readers to doubt Wikipedia's neutrality. Ikedanobuo 07:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is similar to Holocaust revisionist's claim that U.S. should apologize for bombing Berlin and Dresden in Germany.220.76.64.71 10:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: There was not a single Japanese victim who testimonied that she was forced to work in RAA in occupied Japan(1945-1952). Moreover, RAA was established by Japanese government, so Japanese government should apologize to many Japanese women who worked there.220.76.64.71 10:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop saying nonsense about "revisionist", anonymous coward. Holocaust and bombing are completely different, but RAA employed the "Ianfu", the title of this article. And pick up a testimony of the Ianfu who says she was forced into brothels by the Army. In fact, there is no credible testimony of such claim. If Japanese government should be accused of setting up brothels with the request of the U.S. Army aftre the war, you should accuse the private contractors who set up brothels with the request of Japanese Army during the war. You show how low Wikipedia's standard can degrade if anonymous IP is allowed. Ikedanobuo 11:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Will you do anything if I request you to commit a crime? Responsibility resides on you. RAA was not created by US Army, but created by Japanese government. Moreover, there was no coercion. Period. Don't you understand plain English?220.76.64.71 11:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Laughable. By the same logic, Japanese Army is immune even if its contractors committed crimes by its request. And show me the proof of coercion by Japanese Army during WW2. Ikedanobuo 14:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At least, US soldiers paid Japanese Recreation and Amusement Association girls with large amount of real money. However, Japanese soldiers paid nothing but bounced check, or Japanese military yen which was worth nothing by declaration by Japanese government.Enola Gay in Hiroshima 08:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sex slaves employed by the U.S. Army

message: The section about U.S. congress resolution is defective.It lacks the link. Its sponsor was not HONDA but Michael M. Honda. And the latter sentence is not grammatical. I added "However, Japanese Minister of Foreign Affairs Taro Aso dismissed it "definitely not based on facts"" but it was deleted . Why? Is it inconvenient to make the article neutral? Ikedanobuo 11:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That section is poorly written and uninformative. It needs to be re-written and expanded, and Aso's reaction should certainly be included. I also suggest merging it with the Abe section underneath because those two recent developments are linked. Please list any suggestions below. Also, please learn to control your gob - even when you actually make a valid point, by cloaking it behind childishly obnoxious language you're only embarrassing and undermining yourself. Phonemonkey 13:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: U.S. Congressional debate

message: To know the reality of the comfort women's working conditions, I hope everyone here would read the report "Amenities in the Japanese Armed Forces" written by Allied Forces in 1945, which is collected in the "Compilation of Government-collected Documentary Materials Relating to Wartime Comfort Women, Volume 5" published by Asia Women's Fund. First half of the compilation is in Japanese, but don't panic. The latter half is in English, though the pages go backward. The report starts with page 192, goes backward and ends on page 164. The report describes what military brothels were like and how women were treated. It also contains the list of comfort stations (or "house of relaxation") in Manila, which shows the number of comfort women and the owner of each "house of relaxation" as well as ratings and comments by Medical Inspector of Japanese Military Police in Manila. 61.24.66.192 12:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working conditions of Comfort Women 

message: HWANG GEUM JOO and 14 former comfort women filed a class action law suit to a Federal Court of the United States against the Government of Japan seeking compensation for the suffer they endured as comfort women. The case was eventually dismissed because the court found it nonjusticiable based on "Political Question Doctrine", saying;
Article 14 of the 1951 Treaty of Peace between Japan and the Allied Powers, 3 U.S.T.
3169, “expressly waives ... ‘all claims of the Allied Powers and their nationals arising out of any actions taken by Japan and its nationals in the course of the prosecution of the war.’” 332 F.3d at 685.
Article 26 of the Treaty obligated Japan to enter “bilateral” peace treaties with non-Allied states “on the same or substantially the same terms as are provided for in the present treaty,” which indicates the Allied Powers expected Japan to resolve other states’ claims, like their own, through government-to-government agreement.
Japan has long since signed a peace treaty with each of the countries from which the appellants come. The appellants maintain those treaties preserved, and Japan maintains they extinguished, war claims made by citizens of those countries against Japan.
The question whether the war-related claims of foreign nationals were extinguished when the governments of their countries entered into peace treaties with Japan is one that concerns the United States only with respect to her foreign relations, the authority for which is demonstrably committed by our Constitution not to the courts but to the political branches, with “the President [having] the ‘lead role.’” Garamendi, 539 U.S. at 423 n.12.
*Complaint, September 18, 2000
*Judgment, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, October 4, 2001
*United States Court of Appeals FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, June 27, 2003
*US Supreme Court, Certiorari Granted—Vacated and Remanded, June 14, 2004
*SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEF ON REMAND FOR AMICUS CURIAE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN SUPPORT OF APPELLEE, November 23, 2004
*United States Court of Appeals FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, June 28, 2005
*SUBSEQUENT HISTORY: US Supreme Court certiorari denied (U.S., Feb. 21, 2006)61.24.93.5 18:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hwang Geum Joo et al. v. Japan 

message: There has been a deep rooted and wide spread rumor in Korea that women joined labor corps (teishintai(Japanese), Jeongshindae(Korean)) were made comfort women. AWF report page 14
When a campaign for girls to join a girls volunteer labor corps (during the war, girls were mobilized to work at factories mostly munition industries) was launched in Korea in 1943, toward the end of the war period, the rumor spread that corps members would be forced to become comfort women. The Governor-General’s office denied the rumors, saying they were being spread maliciously and intentionally without foundation, but this only caused people to believe the rumors even more.
In 1999, five Korean former labor corps members filed a law suit to Nagoya district court in Japan against Government of Japan and former employer Mitsubishi Heavy Industry, demanding compensation, among other things, for hardship caused by misunderstanding of South Korean people that labor corps members were made comfort women due to lack of advertisement by the defendants that labor corps members were not comfort women.
Nagoya District Court Case No.:H11(wa)764, Judgment; Feb. 24, 2005 
The law suit was later joined by 3 more Korean former labor corps members. The plaintiffs worked at Mitsubishi Heavy Industry’s Nagoya air plane factory. One of the plaintiffs testified as follows. (Identities of plaintiffs were not disclosed in published judgment.)
Plaintiff A: (After the war ended, she went back to her home in Korea.)
At that time, labor corps was misunderstood as comfort women. Once people knew that I worked in Japan as labor corps member, I would not be able to get married. I did not tell my husband that I was a labor corps member before marriage and kept it secret to both my husband and my children during the marriage. After my children became adults, I confessed that I had worked as a labor corps member. Although my children understood my confession, my husband would not believe the fact that labor corps members were not comfort women. He left our home. In October of 1994, we were divorced.
The South Korean Government still advertises that labor corps were comfort women in its web pages as follows.
In Korea the term 'Jeongshindae' was used mostly in place of the Japanese Military comfort women prior to 1990s.
Some girls were mobilized as labor Jeongshindae members through schools and public offices then later turned over as comfort women.,61.24.93.5 20:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion with labor corps (挺身隊 <i>teishintai</i>(Japanese), <i>Jeongshindae</i>(Korean))

message: Captured "comfort girls" were definitely afraid that Japanese soldiers might kill other "comfort girls" still staying in Japanese Army if the news of their capture were known to them. They were highly paid. However, their lives were threatened by minor offenses even by others.220.76.64.71 16:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated already, with regards to "why these 20 captured "comfort girls" were worrying about the lives of other girls" this is just a question you persoally raised from your interpretation of a primary source, and is against Wikipedia:No_original_research. User Elementy's response is the same. If you want to continue bickering with one another about this topic please go and find an appropriate web forum.Phonemonkey 22:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaflets telling of the capture of the "comfort girls" '''endanger the lives of other girls''' if the [Japanese] Army knew of their capture? 

message: According to the final newsletter from Asian Women's Fund (written in Japanese), that organization will dissolve on March 31th, 2007, because its "Atonement Project" will end. AWF is preparing a new memorial web site in the site of Web Archive Project by National Diet Library of Japan. The domain name AWF.OR.JP may be gone away. --NobuoSakiyama 19:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of Asian Women's Fund 

message: You can quote this WSJ article, although it needs reservation. Ikedanobuo 00:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese government insisted the Ianfu was not business in American court

message: Philippine wartime sex slaves call Japanese prime minister 'liar' for denying evidence--Yeahsoo 00:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's no evidence of government coercion even if they were "raped". What is at issue is whether such activities were official order of the Army or personal sexual abuses. Abe said there was no official order of coercion, to which all historians agree. And it seems you don't know how to post comments in Wikipedia. Preview before posting and correct your comment. Ikedanobuo 01:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  To be more precise, there is no evidence of an official order. Oh and just for the record for other readers, what Ikedanobuo is referring to when he arrogantly accuses Yeahsoo of not knowing how to post comments in Wikipedia, is the fact that Yeahsoo accidentally mis-typed a few "=" and "[" in his comment (which I just deleted, something which took 0.2 seconds). Phonemonkey 01:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Philippine wartime sex slaves call Japanese prime minister 'liar' for denying evidence

message: The following reference is a useful article from the Japan Times which interviews two Japanese professors on both sides of the issue.  Unfortunately, the Japan Times has yet to place the article on their website.  But, once this article is unlocked, I'll use it as a source since it neutrally presents both sides of the issue.
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—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cla68 (talk • contribs) 03:36, March 21, 2007
:Sources do not have to available online.  Print sources are perfectly acceptable.  --ElKevbo 13:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is here. Phonemonkey 20:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the reference to the article.  If we present both sides in the article, then we can remove the "neutrality" tag. Cla68 07:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Their opinions aren't so different. From Hata's book "Gendaishi no taiketsu" (Bungei Shunju), Hata summarizes his research asThe number of Ianfu was between 10,000 and 20,000.The majority was Japanese.Their life was almost the same as the state-regulated prostitutes in Japan.There was no organized abduction.Such kind of brothels are common to the Armies of many countries during WW2.On the other hand, Yoshimi ("Jugun Ianfu" Iwanami Shoten) concludesThe number was between 50,000 and 200,000The majority was Korean.Most of them were prostitutes, but there was coercion inside brothels.There was no evidence of abduction, but indirect coercion was found.Military brothels are common, but it doesn't justify that of Japan.They agree that Ianfu were commercial prostitutes and that there was no military abduction. So the consensus of western media is much different from that of Japanese historians. Ikedanobuo 15:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do't agree with Hata's claim. The state-regulated prostitutes in Japan was paid Japanese yen which is fully endorsed by Japanese government. However, those who were coerced in military brothels were paid with Japanese military yen which Japanese government declared void.Enola Gay in Hiroshima 02:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The JT article says Yoshimi "explicitly refers to them as sex slaves....the military forced them into sexual slavery, imprisoning them in brothels....they did not have freedom to leave or refuse sex with soldiers". This isn't the definition of "commercial prostitution" as you put it. However, I agree that the article could form a very useful basis upon which we put together a picture of the controversy in this article, so thank you for the link. Phonemonkey 20:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence you quote is the reporter's misinterpretation, because Yoshimi never said such thing. He said in this article "military knew private agents sometimes cheated, kidnapped, traded or forcibly took some women to frontline brothels." This is the accurate summary of his scholarly work. You can read its English translation, . Ikedanobuo 22:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If someone forcibly taken to a brothel isn't a sex slave, then I don't know who is. Would you care to elaborate? Phonemonkey 23:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was not the Army officials but contractors that kidnapped women. There is an evidence that a contractor kidnapped women in Wakayama, Japan. He was punished by the Army. You can call the women sex slaves if you like, but by such definition, many prostitutes in the world history were sex slaves. What is at issue is not such semantic problem but whether Japanese Army kidnapped them (coercion in the narrow sense). I explained the definition of the "coercion" in section 78. Ikedanobuo 23:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This section is about your summary of Yoshimi and Hata's works, and I was disagreeing with your summary "they both agreed that they were commercial prostitutes". Glad to see we now agree that they can be called sex slaves. Moving on, yes, you're right that one of the crucial issues is the definition of "coersion", and whether the Japanese Army was systematically involved, but we'll continue the discussion about this issue in the relevant section further down.  Phonemonkey 00:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: ♥ Stuart LaJoie → overleg 22:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conclusions of Prof. Hata and Yoshimi

message: Folks, how do you think of this vandalism by the anonymous IP? He doesn't know that every commercial transaction with the Army was done with military yen. Ianfu could not be its exception. Anyway normal discussion is impossible as long as he is here. Isn't it possible to exclude anonymous IP from discussion page? Ikedanobuo 17:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, US Army also used US military note in occupied Japan. However, US Army kept their promise. US Army didnot declare US Army note void unlike Japanese Army who broke their promise and declared Japanese military yen void.220.76.64.71 17:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All the commercial contractor's military yen became void when the war was over. It has nothing to do with the coercion of Ianfu. Delete the stupid pictures and comments. Ikedanobuo 17:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is important because there are stupid claims that comfort women were highly paid. Prostitues in Japan were highly paid with yummy Japanese yen, but those coerced in occupied areas were paid nothing but worthless Japanese military yen.220.76.64.71 17:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Ikeda, normal discussion is impossible with you. Your obnoxious, uncooperative attitude so far, leads to worms like Enola Gay in reaction. Phonemonkey 00:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Apparently large amount of anonymous IP user forgets neutral point of view. I wish admin to close anonymous writing until loggin editors make consensus.  Lssrt 03:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome to make such a request but I seriously doubt it would even be considered.  Anonymous editors are welcome to edit Wikipedia articles and they are definitely welcome to discuss them.  This isn't vandalism - it's a content dispute.  --ElKevbo 05:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Japanese government's artificial definition of "coercion" is making this issue even more confusing. PM Abe didn't deny coercion in the broad sense, i.e., the coercion or deception by contractors of the Army. He denied the coercion in the narrow sense, i.e., kidnapping of women by the Army officials. NYT and other media confused this definition.
I don't think it is a good definition, but it should be noted in this article because it is a source of confused reporting of western media. Ikedanobuo 23:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Leaving aside your use of a personal blog as a source of your claim about "confused reporting by the western media", I'm sure everyone agrees that this is a crucial issue which should be included. Phonemonkey 23:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: ♥ Stuart LaJoie → overleg 23:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Coercion in the broad and narrow sense

message: Why is there a table in the article that lists all those different ways to write "comfort women" in Chinese and Korean?  What does all that have to do with an article in the English Wikipedia?  I think most of the visitors to the English Wikipedia don't need to know how to write "Comfort Women" in Hangul.  If they want to know how they can look at the link at the bottom of the article to the Korean Wikipedia. Cla68 09:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese names for this topic is mentioned as well, in the opening sentence...  I think, the Japanese Wikipedia Project decided to display the kanji and romanization in that manner and the Korean and Chinese WP use the table method because there's more than one way to romanize their language. Some people may not be able to read the Chinese, Korean, or Japanese in their corresponding Wikipedia articles to find the name if they were looking for it there. oncamera(t) 16:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Table of Chinese and Korean names for comfort women

message: Notice:User:Etimesoy was blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry on 22 March 2007.
See also: User:CronusXT (puppet master), User:OpieNn,  Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Goguryeo and Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Etimesoy. So please be careful to join the discussions in this talk page. Thanks. Nightshadow28 16:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Herrich was also sockpuppet of CronusXT. Thanks. Nightshadow28 00:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: How about ElKevbo? He is a habitual reverter without explanation. He resembles OpieNn, who started the editing war by reverting my post repeatedly. Ikedanobuo 02:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to his other contributions, I cannot explain clearly to clerk for request checkuser yet, now. Thanks. Nightshadow28 03:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Without explanation?  I've participated quite a bit on this Talk page and I almost always use edit summaries.  That you don't agree with my edits or Wikipedia policies is no grounds for lying about my edits or accusing me of sockpuppetry.  If it makes you feel better to request a check user, go for it - it'll be a waste of time but I've got nothing to hide.  --ElKevbo 04:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mr.ElKevbo, Please keep composure. And please understand that there are those who are sensitive just after a large sockpuppet incident. Thanks. Nightshadow28 05:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Where is your "explanation", ElKevbo? You reverted my edit with a short note (It's already been discussed - BBC, NYT, and other sources are reliable sources). This makes no sense, because I retained the source from NYT and BBC. But you reverted the whole section. Your action is very similar to that of OpieNn. If you want to prove innocence, undo the reversion. Ikedanobuo 09:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You did retain the BBC article - I missed that.  However, you also removed sources from NYT, The Age, CNN, and Japan Times.  Unacceptable.  --ElKevbo 17:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please be careful

message: I can see why this article has been protected, and since I am in no way involved in the various disputes I am not suggesting that it be unprotected ( I will leave that up to the concerned parties). However since this article contains some sections that are regarding current events, is there a way  to keep those sections up to date? I am referring specifically to the section on Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's statements regarding comfort women. If you go to the link you will see that on the page specific to him there is additional information regarding this issue that has yet to be added here. I am not sure if it is even possible but it seems to me that those new facts should be included. Thanks, Colincbn 08:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: This is a copy of the Yomiuri's one-page article "Kisokara wakaru ianfu mondai". Although this can't be quoted in the entry, this is a convenient summary of the problem if you can read Japanese. The editorial above is its summary. If someone translates this article into English, it would be a basis for the entry in Wikipedia. Ikedanobuo 00:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comfort Women for dummies

message: Why is the political hack Hata given so much space in the article? He is a favorite of right-wing politicians and bloggers, but he is not a credible scholar on the issue of comfort women. Look here: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22comfort+women%22&hl=en&lr=&btnG=Search He is cited by only one article, and that only to basically criticize him as part of a political movement. This page should be about *comfort women*. Right now, it gives too much space to Japanese deniers and modern Japanese domestic politics. The deniers should get a separate page, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldpowder (talk • contribs) 04:42, March 30, 2007 (UTC)
:Ridiculous. How can you know Prof. Hata is cited in only one article? Did you read all 1700 articles on the site? If you search "Ikuhiko Hata" on Google Scholar,  you'll find 171 articles that cite him. He is a respected scholar, although you can't read his articles. This rubbish shows how such people who confuse ianfu with Holocaust are ignorant and illogical. Ikedanobuo 05:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure a lot of readers come to this article looking to find out more information about exactly what the controversy is all about, so there's no justification in blanking information about where the controversy comes from. And you said it yourself - Hata is a "favourite of right wing politicians" and "part of a political movement" - and therefore important enough to warrent a mention. Oh by the way Ikeda, are you here for a discussion or do you just want to continue spitting everywhere? Phonemonkey 10:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hata

message: Hideaki Kase (Japanese: 加瀬英明) is a Japanese revisionist, who is known for praising Kamikaze pilots, and claiming that Japan's actions in World War II were justifiable.
In an interview with BBC journalist Bethan Jinkinson, Kase said: "The majority of our people believe that Japan was forced into war by the United States. America was making unreasonable demands upon us. So we were fighting a war of national self-defence". 
Annother citation:
"Japan was forced into WW II to liberate Asia from the yoke of Western colonialism." 
A conservative columnist, Hideaki Kase writes in NewsWeek:The fact is that the brothels were commercial establishments. U.S. Army records explicitly declare that the comfort women were prostitutes, and found no instances of "kidnapping" by the Japanese authorities. It's also worth noting that some 40 percent of these women were of Japanese origin.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.134.207.82  (talk) 05:02, March 30, 2007 (UTC)
Hideaki Kase is not a recognized scholar on comfort women either. Don't turn this page into an article about right-wing Japanese politics, move that into a "Comfort Women denial" article. This article should be about comfort women, citing respected scholars on comfort women, like Hicks and Yoshimi. Goldpowder 05:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is [[Hideaki Kase]] who wrote a column for Newsweek? 

message: :*The liberal-left Asahi Shimbun has been a target of attack for, among other things, its failure to use proper honorific terms for the emperor.
:*Tomohiro Kojiro, an Asahi reporter, was killed by a shotgun-wielding rightist in 1987.
:*In October 1993 a man named Nomura Shusuke killed himself in the Asahi offices because he felt the paper had been making fun of rightists.
:*The mayor of Nagasaki, Motojima Hitoshi, a mild-mannered Christian, was threatened for months by right-wingers, egged on by academics and a handful of senior politicians, for suggesting that emperor Hirohito bore some responsibility for the war.
:*He was eventually shot in the back, but survived, in January 1990, but not before 3.8 million people had signed a petition supporting what he said.
128.134.207.82 01:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese media are unreliable

message: More Dutch sources will be presented here, but this will take some time.
♥ Stuart LaJoie → overleg 18:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: more sources

message: http://thestory.org/archive/the_story_220_Comfort_Woman.mp3
This is a link to a NPR interview of an ex-confort woman.--67.175.156.20 19:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Audio Source

message: There is little question that, since 1992, the Government of Japan has acknowledged fully the role of the Japanese military and government in establishing and operating the comfort women system before and during World War II.
However, even before Prime Minister Abe's controversial statements of March 2007, rhe persuasiveness of the acknowledgments has been weakened in the eyes of many by related controversies over Japan's historic record, such as the Prime Minister Koizurni's visits to the Yasalcuni shrine (where Japan's war dead are enshrined but also where 14 major convicted war
criminals also are enshrined), the content of history textbooks, and statements by individual Japanese political leaders such as the statement of the Minigter of Education quoted above. ...
The comfort women issue is part of a broader debate in Japan over how Japanese should view Japan's record during the 1930s and World War II. History revisionists in Japan, as represented by the LDP Committee to Consider Japan's Future Historical Education, appears to seek to absolve Japan from ma.jor guilt for its conduct during this period. Opponents of the history revisionists argue that Japan should acknowledge the negative aspects of its record and teach these to future generations in Japan. A recent example of this struggle, involving another historical issue, was the ruling of the Japanese Ministry of Education to delete passages from high school history textbooks that described the role of the Japanese army in the mass suicides of thousands of Okinawans during the Battle of Okinawa (April-June 1945).220.76.64.49 14:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yasukuni, textbooks, the battle of Okinawa - none of these directly relates to this article. Comfort women may be part of a wider issue which you seem to want to raise, but this article is specifically about comfort women, so let's keep it at that. Phonemonkey 00:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conclusion of Congressional Research Service Report  

message: Moreover, the contention that there is no evidence of forcible, coerced recruitment seems to either ignore or be a rejection of the findings of the Dutch War Crimes Tribunals' findings and verdicts (including three death penalties) against seven Japanese army officers and four civilian employees of the army for coerced prostitution and rape of Dutch and other women in the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia). This raises the potentially very important question of whether the Abe goveimment is Repudiation of Article 11 of the 1951 Treaty of Peace between the Allied powers and Japan. Article 11 states: "Japan accepts the judgments of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East and of other Allied War Crimes Courts both within and outside Japan. . . ." according to the U.S. Congressional Research Service delivered a report on "Japanese Mlitary Comfort Women System"  to the congress on April 3.220.76.64.49 14:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abe Government's denial is a repudiation of Article 11 of the 1951 Treaty of Peace between the Allied powers and Japan?

message: I just wanted to point out a simple copy edit.  In the "Treatment of comfort women" section there is a phrase: "We were the emperor'soldiers"  I believe it should say "We were the emperor's soldiers".
Looks like someone got typing too fast.
Padillah 16:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treatment of comfort women - Just a simple copy edit. 

message: A full page advert in the Washington Post was run by the Washington Coalition for Comfort Women Issues, the Greater New York Support 121 Coalition, the Greater Washington Support 121 Coalition, and the 121 Coalition, on Thursday, 26 April 2007, (page A-6), expressing concern at Shinzo Abe's statements distancing the Japanese government from the Comfort Women issue.
Mark Sublette 14:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Advert in the Washington Post

message: I think that this discussion has been primarily focused on whether or not comfort women were "sexual slaves" and other such related political issues. Personally, I feel that we should also take a look at the more human side of this issue. One thing I've noticed is that nowhere in this article is the health, including mental health, conditions of comfort women or former comfort women mentioned. Afterall, part of the reason former comfort women demand reparations and an official apology is that, not only were they wronged, their health was also permenantly ruined. So perhaps we ought to explore this topic as well?
The only source I've found on this topic so far is case analysis for a group of former comfort woment in Taiwan: http://taiwan.yam.org.tw/womenweb/conf_women/conf_abo.htm,
http://www.cmht.com/cases_cwcomfort4.php
Though I cannot guarantee the credibility of my sources, from a biological standpoint, I can guarantee that there were probably immense health and psychological repercussions for the comfort women, even if protection was used (highly unlikely). AkrobaticMonkey 04:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Health of Comfort Women?

message: :Some contributions to this discussion page contain footnotes. To have an informed discussion,
:*let's not remove this section from the page;
:*add new sections above this one.
:♥ Stuart LaJoie → overleg 09:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Footnotes''

message: Probably trivial, but I am confused. The book on Japan's comfort women, in a search on Abe Books for the availability of the book, gives the above as author - actually  in only some of the listings, some others only list the author as Tanaka. Yuki. What is in fact correct?? --Dumarest 17:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tanaka, Yuki / Tanaka, Toshiyuki 

message: Can someone fix multiple spelling and gramatical errors in this article. Thanks 70.196.208.213 21:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling Errors