Talk:Arson

message: Just something to stimulate discussion, it is a well-known fact/urban legend (prolly fact) that firefighters stand a much higher chance of becoming arsonists than the general population, because adrenaline is addictive -- hence, they set fires then rush to go put them out once someone calls 911.  This needs documentation, but is interesting and thus, I'm putting it here until someone can confirm in some verifiable way. Tuf-Kat — Preceding undated comment added 07:36, 18 February 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd lean towards fact. In recent years, there was a well reported case (in California I believe) of a highly regarded arson investigator who was working on a novel. There was an accumulation of baffling and suspicious arson occurrences; meanwhile a working draft of the novel somehow met eyes they weren't intended for and it happened that occurrences in the plot of the book matched rather closely the fires that were being perpetrated. And that's just one example I've heard of. -- knoodelhed 11:55, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: It is an urban legend. John Orr was an aberration and a disgrace. If anything, the opposite is true, with arsonists being drawn to the fire service, but I don't think most of them make it through training. The psychology of arson just doesn't propel them to like it. If you'd like some reading on the subject, try: http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-141.pdf. Meanwhile, for more information on the John Orr story, which was made into a TV movie, you cna run a search for his name.--catseyes 18:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the pyromania article, pyromaniacs are attracted also to instiutions that control fire like fire alarms and firehouses. Therefore I think it makes more sense that someone is obsessed with fire when they become a fireman, not they become obsessed with fire while they are a fireman (though it seems possible) Johhny-turbo 05:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Firefighters

message: Maybe a section on the Psychology of arson should be added. (unless that is covered by pyromania) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.243.216 (talk) 23:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a section on Firesetter Motivation, which has a brief discussion of psychology, and well as other motives behind arson.--SLCFD876 16:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychology 

message: Is The fire of the century, caused by arson trying to refer to Old_Fire? --Espoo 05:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture caption 

message: Going back through the edit history, I noticed that the original, broad definition of arson posted was "setting a fire with the intent to cause damage."  Then this language about "with the intent to kill people or animals inside."  If someone sets a fire with the intent to kill people, and it kills them, that's a homicide.  If they fail to kill the people, that's attempted homicide.  Granted, arson is still involved, but the definition is not so narrow as to requrie an intent to kill.  I know of no statute that requires the intent to kill an animal as an element.  I understand PETA and ELF/ALF have arson related animal rights activisim, but there are no statutes of which I am aware that employ animals or require an intent to harm an animal in any element of the crime of arson.  Arson is setting a fire with the intent to cause damage, plain and simple.  I've removed the superfulous language, but I guess we can discuss what if any ought to be back in.  I think the arson definition language is more accurate without it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SLCFD876 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you are correct Urukagina — Preceding undated comment added 2:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intent

message: 193.203.200.2 wrote about the frequency of man made fires in Galicia. It seems very specific to me. Without verification to the paragraphs significance, ill just correct puncuation for now. Urukagina 02:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Galicia (under motivation)

message: I wonder what the point of the subsection "arson in fiction" is? Marc K 11:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: that's so true🖖 Arson.banza (talk) 22:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arson in fiction 

message: Etymology behind the word "arson"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by UrbanGrill (talk • contribs) 19:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For some reason in footnote 1, which is strange because it is probably a major reason to visit the page ...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:3C0:6D0:89DF:FD54:EE8D:E267 (talk) 10:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: This article is quite clearly only about arson in Europe. Anyone up for editing it to include a more general worldview? 128.113.98.26 18:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I can't imagine setting off wildfires that endanger lives and property is looked well upon anywhere in the world....but okay what other views are there? Masterblooregard 21:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made some changes in an attempt to correct the Euro-centric bias. Might the tag be pulled?--Valkyryn (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There never was a "globalize" tag on there.  The  tag is still there, and needs to remain for now, as the article is still in need of more citations.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  European bias 

message: What are the elements of the crime of arson?  I think that would be pretty relevant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.179.185.82 (talk) 19:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Legal Definition

message: I added the common law elements of arson in the U.S. In doing so, I reorganized the article to separate English and Scots law from U.S. law. I moved the sentence concerning felony-murder in the U.S. to the U.S. Law section.  --G77 (talk) 21:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Elements added

message: I added several references to legal works in the U.S. law section. I also added external links to a web MD article dealing with the motives behind arson. Finally, I noticed that many of the introductory remarks dealt with the motives behind arson. So, I thought it better to create a separate section for the motives behind arson.  --G77 (talk) 01:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reorganization and new references

message: After I added many citations to almost every section, I found that the disclaimer about need for citation was no longer necessary. Therefore, I moved it to the only section still in need of cites: English and Scots law. My expertise is only in U.S. law. Any barristers out there who could lend a few cites?--G77 (talk) 20:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Only a few citations still needed

message: I think that the arson in Namdaemun should be added to this article. Namdaemun is Korea's number 1 treasure. I feel sad for me and the rest of the Koreans. Weatherlover819 (talk) 11:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the general article about arson, no.  It is, however, mentioned in the specific article about the structure.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Namdaemun arson

message: I tried to copy the basic organization of the burglary article. After a bit of discussion, another user interested in editing the common law articles and I decided the best organization for these types of articles is: 
* Common law definition
* U.S. Law
* English Law
* X nation's law
* Misc. 
--G77 (talk) 23:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Organization for the article

message: In medieval continental Europe arsonists were burned at the stake (a.k.a. autodafe), which was very much fitting for their crime. 91.83.16.172 (talk) 22:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, but without a reliable source, we can't use it.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Ages 

message: It seems there is no consensus for having too much detail on these in this article when they are more than adequately discussed in their own, and sourced. I'd suggest going into too much detail here is a breach of WP:UNDUE; in fact, they might just as well be in the "See also" section. --Rodhullandemu 15:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted your edit since the Reichstag fire is perhaps the most important example of arson in recent times. The article is extremely short on real examples, and should be expanded and not cut down. Peterlewis (talk) 16:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why does that detail need to be here when it is already covered (and sourced) in the relevant article? --Rodhullandemu 16:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Its hardly any great detail at all: there is much more in the main article. To repeat, the article as it stands lacks examples. If you like I could put in some other examples where forensics has assisted in finding the causes of fire. Arson is frequently blamed when there are other explanations, such as faulty products. Car fires, for example, are often caused by faulty fuel lines. At present the artcile is very dry and dusty, almost as if written by a lawyer. Peterlewis (talk) 17:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that should come as no surprise; this article is mainly within the Criminal Law project. If there is a Criminology project, which I don't know at the time of writing, and it comes within that project, the psychological aspects of arsonism should certainly be addressed. As it happens, they haven't been so far. Historical examples of arson might well be addressed by such attention; but the political dimension thus far appears to be as moot as any other form of property damage, or attacks on individuals or sections of population. As far as this article is concerned, arson is apparently no more a political tool than any other means of oppression, and I suggest that this article would be better off without it, given the alternatives. Accordingly, I've removed a lot of unsourced, tendentious tosh. Seriously, if this article is to mean anything at all, it needs to be focused on its reason to exist: which is "the destruction of property by fire", and although motives may vary, they do need careful, and reliably sourced analysis. Rodhullandemu 01:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical examples 

message: The Radio Four series All in the Mind discussed motivation for arson on July 12 2011. Criminological psychology is not my strong point, but if any knows anything about this topic, it could go in the article. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Motivation for arson

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message: It didn't seem like there was a ton of information on why people do this or what they are considered (the impulse control disorder and pyromania), the only place I could find the information was in the introduction. Should it be brought down to a new section or could it be talked about more in-depth.  Tina leighann (talk) 14:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  along with psychology 

message: — Assignment last updated by Lincol7 (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: English 111 First-Semester College Composition

message: I am immensely interested in psychology and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to add a psychology paragraph to the topic of arson because I think it would be important for readers to learn about why arsonists might commit the crime or what attributions start that chain of bad events in a person. In all, why do arsonists do what they do and what got them to start. Was it their childhood or was it a trigger in their life? Melbaby52822 (talk) 01:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been discussed a few times before, and I don't see any consensus against it having developed, so please do be bold and add one if you're able to. You're welcome to add it as just a paragraph or an appropriately-placed section as you see fit. If you need more help with contributing, feel free to read the new contributors' guide or ask others for help. Happy editing, Closingbrackettalk 05:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a Psychology topic to the actual article.