Talk:Emir Abdelkader

message: Good luck with the move, Mustafaa.  I suspect you may be in for some strenuous opposition from the folks who don't like "foreign-looking" spellings.  Leave me a message on my talk page if there is trouble and I miss it. —Sanāsi al-Grīgī a.k.a. Tkinias 18:54, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do not understand why a transliteration of his name is used when he already has an official "Latin" name like all Algerians do. There is no reason to use "Abd al-Qadir al-Jaza'iri", his official name as used in Algeria is "Abdelkader" or "El Emir Abdelkader" to be specific. TonyStarks (talk) 02:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: I am told by a native speaker that the Khaled song is not about this Abd al-Qadir, but about Abdul Qadir el-Jilani, a medieval sufi master also known as the Rose of Baghdad, founder of the Qadiri sufi order. Jayen466 15:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khaled song 

message: As shown above, there are adequate contemporary sources, cited above, establishing Abd el-Qäder's Masonic affiliation and there are two online sources as well.  It is inaccurate to say, "There is also not enough sufficient evidence proving that he actually became a freemason."
Further, the claims "it is said," and "although it seems inconsistent with his main objectives," are exceptionally subjective.
I ask that that the statement be reverted.  I was unable to contact the editor who made the change.
J. J. in PA 06:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{dubious}} Freemason Comments 

message: Can the "Life in Exile" section here be edited to remove distracting redundancies?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidross47 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life in Exile 

message: Why does the article keep referring to him as "al-Qadir"? The name is "Abd al-Qadir", there's no sense in shortening it. --41.102.208.204 (talk) 19:42, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Al-Qadir" 

message: The disambiguation page Abdul Qadir lists over 100 people with the name عبد القادر in some transliteration, so this article needs to have a more distinctive name. Possibilities include
*Abd al-Qadir bin Muhieddine, which is correct but not commonly used in wikipedia or in English-language discussions generally
*Emir Abd al-Qadir, which risks confusion with towns in Algeria with that name
*Abd al-Qadir (Algerian hero)
*Abd al-Qādir al-Jazā'irī
*Abd al-Qadir al-Jaza'iri
I'm inclined to suggest the last of these, and will make that move if nobody replies to this message. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 12:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If Abd al-Qadir bin Muhieddine is his birth name, why not use that? FunkMonk (talk) 13:42, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not against that idea, but there's another small point which I should have mentioned before, namely the consistency of transliterations. "Muhieddine" is a French representation. A consistently French way would be perhaps Abdel Kader bin Muhieddine. To use a more "scholarly" style we could have Abd al-Qadir bin Muhy ad-Din. But a mixture of the two styles would be ugly. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 14:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I should also have mentioned that the most commonly used transliterationof it sould be used. If the one I mentioned isn't, then another one is better. FunkMonk (talk) 14:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But the "commonly used" criterion, which is indeed wikipedia policy, works against the bin Muhieddine form altogether, since it definitely isn't commonly used, whereas the al-Jaza'iri form is, at least to some extent. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 10:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to Move 

message: Thackeray was kind of a supporter of his, and Elkader, Iowa is named after him... AnonMoos (talk) 17:01, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Very interesting, especially the latter part. Who would have known. Do you have a source for it? The one used in the Elkader article no longer exists. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It was discussed in the NPR story on Monday... AnonMoos (talk) 04:53, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  tributes 

message: The article "May 1958 crisis" about a period of turmoil in France contains twice as much information about the wars in Algeria as this entire article. More detail on this conflict is surely available.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.80.200 (talk) 05:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military campaigns need more detail 

message: Why does the article insist on using the "Abd al-Qadir" spelling of his name? Can you please provide references to support the use of this spelling of his name??? If we're going to change the article title, we should change the article to match it as well. TonyStarks (talk) 02:00, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abd al-Qadir 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: Moved – Emir Abdelkader looks much closer to the WP:COMMONNAME of this historical figure than any of his other names and aliases. Low participation in the move request would point to lack of consensus but sources do favor the target title, the lone Oppose argument with WP:SOVEREIGN has been countered, and a previous move was apparently non-consensual. I am admittedly applying a bit of WP:IAR in this close. — JFG talk 00:00, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Abdelkader El Djezairi →  – A rather bizarre decision was taken by the closing admin last time, who decided to move the page to the very uncommon, strange, wrong-sounding and awkward current title. (I believe anyone familiar with the topic natural's reaction to the current topic would be "wait? who?"). The request last time was to move the page to "Emir Abdelkader", by far and large the most common name. Alternatively if there is objection under the guise that Emir is a title, then I propose using his real name "Abdelkader ibn Muhyiddin". There are many problems with the current title. Not only is it very uncommon in English (or even French for that matter, outside of recent official Algerian government media) but it is also misleading as it gives the impression that the subject was from Algiers. A city which he never visited or had any relation with whatsoever. Tachfin (talk) 05:23, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

text: @, you missed the second part of the sentence out "but contemporary monarchs with Arabic names are often treated much as this guideline would suggest". I see no reason why an exception should be made in this case. –Ebonelm (talk) 22:29, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you missed the second word in the bit you quote, . A 19th-century figure isn't quite contemporary, is it? –  Uanfala (talk) 22:35, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd argue that in this case by using "contemporary" what it meant (as opposed to what it literally said) is referring to any figure from the modern period, otherwise it would mean that once someone was dead we could suddenly change their article titles to whatever we felt like. I know in the literal sense contemporary only means 'in the present' but usage of such terminology has weakened (in fact the term 'modern' also technically means "just now" but we have since used it as a title for an period of time). Ebonelm (talk) 22:43, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with you that contemporary means "modern", but I guess we have different views on the temporal extent of modernity. At any rate, I don't understand the rationales behind this particular wording in the guidelines, so I'm not in a position to try and interpret it. However, the two facts remain: the guideline says there's no guideline, and the current title of the article is an awkward term with almost no usage. I wouldn't oppose a different article title as long as it is a common one. –  Uanfala (talk) 22:57, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 13 November 2016 

message: Though it is difficult to read, the inscription says "1860". Lincoln did not take office until 1861. While it is possible the date refers to the date of the riots, it seems unlikely. Did the pistols in fact come from James Buchanan? Though it cannot be cited as a source, this blog briefly mentions the gift: http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2010/07/abd-el-kader-and-massacre-of-damascus.html
:And from the United States came a gift of a pair of finely wrought colt pistols – one source claims they were made of gold – delivered in a maple box which bore the inscription: "From the President of the United States, to his Excellency, Lord Abdelkader, 1860."
:(Two of my sources claim the gift was sent by President Lincoln, not President Buchanan. While this would make the story even better – one of our best presidents rather than one of our worst – Lincoln did not take office until March, 1861.) 
The claim in our article is actually unsourced, or at least it lacks an in-line citation. Other references online repeat the claim that Lincoln gave the Emir the pistols—at least one does so while saying he did so in 1860, before he took office. Anyone know the real story? WP Ludicer (talk) 00:55, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gift of pistols – Lincoln or Buchanan?