Talk:Chimpanzee

message: "Gio masks are crude and blockly and the people wear when teaching young people how not to behave." Uh, is "blockly" even a word? I assume the sentence should read "people wear them when teaching..." Muzilon (talk) 10:55, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe replace "blockly" with broccoli. Broccoli certainly teaches young people how to behave! Randy Kryn (talk) 13:17, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In culture" section? 

message: Lately, there has been a lot of vandals/trolls who have vandalized the page. So maybe this page needs to be protected so that only auto-confirmed users could edit the page, reducing the chance of vandalism. DinosaursRoar (talk) 19:32, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I think requiring auto-confirmed users is a good idea in light of the persistent vandalism to the article.  --MadScientistX11 (talk) 01:49, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  DinosaursRoar Some mobile user keeps making changes. As far as I can tell they are just deleting large sections of text and then putting them back. I haven't reverted them because I'm not completely sure, perhaps they are making some minor formatting improvements that I'm not seeing but I have a feeling they are either just playing around or trying to up their edit count. What do you think? --MadScientistX11 (talk) 17:09, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: there’s been a lot of vandalism lately, so it should be protected. 2603:9000:E706:8872:4D81:BE1F:D327:8D31 (talk) 22:27, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection for the Chimpanzee page 

message: After changing the slang word 'chimp' to the proper name 'chimpanzee' Little Jerry reverted dozens of instances on this page in good faith. The proper name for chimpanzee is chimpanzee, not Chimp. Although chimp is listed as an alternate name in the lead, many pages have slang terms listed as alternate names but they aren't used as descriptors in the text of articles. The species name is chimpanzee, the title is Chimpanzee, and aside from those obvious points for using the full species name, "chimpanzee" gives the animals the proper respect as a cousin animal. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Chimp is not merely a slang term, it is also used by scientists in reliable books as well because it is a short hand. The rhinoceros and hippopotamus articles alternative between those names and "rhino" and "hippo" respectively. Likewise, other animal article use alternative names like killer whale/orca. LittleJerry (talk) 00:12, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Prefer "chimpanzee" over "chimp" unless quoting or paraphrasing a source.  Chimp is a mild colloquialism, and "chimpanzee" is better suited to the tone of Wikipedia.  The Latin scientific name would going too technical.  Any argument to change to prefer "chimp" should be based on prevailing source usage in quality sources, starting with the current best sources for the article. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:13, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Requesting comments from , , , . , , . LittleJerry (talk) 00:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Will add one, , who has edited the page regarding this discussion topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

text:  I feel that I would generally prefer the use of "Chimpanzee" in an encyclopedia article. BD2412 T 00:53, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, per the Pan (genus) page which states that "the colloquialism 'chimp' was most likely coined some time in the late 1870s." Our article on this topic opens "Colloquialism is the linguistic style used for casual communication. It is the most common functional style of speech, the idiom normally employed in conversation and other informal contexts." and states that "Colloquialism or general parlance is distinct from formal speech or formal writing." An encyclopedia builds itself with formal writing. Film titles have often used the word "Chimp", for example, but that use reflects casual use, not the formal writing style used on Wikipedia. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want it all be be formal, then why not go further and use the scientific name instead? Wikipedia uses causal names all the time, like "rhino", "hippo" and "seal" (pinniped). Wikipedia is not suppose to be a super technical website but appeals to general readers. "Chimp" is just as commonly used for the species as "chimpanzee". It is not just a slang term. LittleJerry (talk) 01:45, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Because most scientific terms confuse or lose readers, and are not understandable to the vast majority of English readers. Please read Colloquialism, which defines formal and informal language. Didn't think of rhino or hippo, which could be discussed on their talk pages. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:48, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And even as this discussion is going on, LittleJerry is reverting edits on other chimpanzee pages and not waiting until this discussion is completed. , I hope you will revert your edits if this discussion agrees on formal language. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:51, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Rhinoceros, hippopotamus and chimpanzee are all long complicated words that get tiresome when repeated over and over again, hence why the short-hands exist. LittleJerry (talk) 01:54, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And  FWI YOU'RE the one making the bold changes to the different articles so YOU'RE the one who has to wait for consensus. LittleJerry (talk) 01:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Indoor voice please (or not). All I asked was that you consider reverting your reverts if this discussion, which with all the pings could either end quickly or go on for awhile, ends. A good point for the rhino and hippo, but chimpanzee seems uncomplicated and familiar as a species name. Rhino and hippo could be addressed at their talk pages, although the more I read your reply the more familiar and uncomplicated the words rhinoceros and hippopotamus as formal species names become. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

text:  I agree with  that chimpanzee is more appropriate for an encyclopaedia article. Similarly for rhinoceros and hippopotamus (although not seal). To me, chimp seems even more informal than rhino or hippo, perhaps because its sometimes used a pejorative for people. I'll add that I reply because I was pinged rather than because I feel strongly about it. Looking at the article, chimpanzee and chimp are perhaps used excessively, often several times in a sentence. Changes to use pronouns or alternative words might improve the style. —  Jts1882 | talk  08:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: "Chimp" is an informal term, and has no place in a professional encyclopedia per WP:Encyclopedic tone. I have reverted, as LittleJerry seems to be in a minority of 1 in thinking it's appropriate.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Thanks buddy. I appreciate it. LittleJerry (talk) 21:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies, invited but forgot to vote. I have received mail and fine notices on similar issues before, but wish to issue a claim of diminished responsibility and assure pinger that no offence was intended by that unintentional oversight. ~ cygnis insignis 18:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Chimpanzee for 'Chimp'

message: There has been so much vandalism lately on this article, so this is why the Chimpanzee page needs protection (possibly indefinite) against vandals. Therizinosaurus2 (talk) 05:36, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I don't think that three incidents of vandalism in the last week, all from the same IP, warrants page protection, but if you want to request this, you should post the request at WP:RFPP. CodeTalker (talk) 06:01, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The proper place to make that request is Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Peaceray (talk) 06:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I submitted a request for protection. There has been so much vandalism, it gets hard to find the last good page. Also, at least one vandalism included a racist slur which IMO increased the justification for protection. There was an Admin backlog tag on the protection page so it may be a while before an admin has time. In the meantime thanks to everyone who keeps restoring the pages. I’ve been so busy lately I only have time to check once in a while. One last point, IMO it is always a good idea to add a vandalism tag to any user’s talk page after reverting. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 14:36, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chimpanzee page neeeds Protection 

message: It's just that how come this image is used for speciesbox anyway? Esagurton (talk) 14:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone thought it a good idea? I favour weighting inclusion of an image, when it is not directly supported in the adjacent prose, by means that are determined externally (verifiably notable).  ~ cygnis insignis 18:01, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we could come to a consensus on a lead image? I could round up some candidates. I personally prefer the current one, it does have vegetation covering parts of it but it shows the chimp in its natural habitat, in a tree among its favorite food. The individual is also youngish looking which is probably what people picture when they think "chimp" as opposed to an older alpha male or lactating female. ?  LittleJerry (talk) 20:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Missed your ping, sorry. Yes, seems a good lead image. "In a tree among its favorite food", has a nice feel. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

text: With some hesitancy, that is a clear shot although partly obscured. :File:Pan troglodytes (male).jpg shows it walking, there are a couple with infants being cradled, I feel thses are the more informative of the species. ~ cygnis insignis 05:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good walking image, should be used somewhere (unused so far). Randy Kryn (talk) 10:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Even a crop to the image at right to frame the subject, but I picked that one because it is not an arboreal species. ~ cygnis insignis 14:35, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Image 

message: I notice a CN tag was reverted at this section, because it is stated in the ref at the end "Werness, H. B. (2007). The Continuum Encyclopedia of Animal Symbolism in World Art." I get a snippet view that suggests something like that, but it is a quirky statement in tertiary source. The section could be improved, if some agreement on what "in culture" is possible. ~ cygnis insignis 01:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: See here Allen Roberts writes that Africans living in the same environment as chimpanzees rarely represent them, perhaps because, as the Tabwa say, they are best ignored and avoided, "as too close for comfort". I originally add the quotations around "to close for comfort" but they were removed. LittleJerry (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that it was supported by the ref, and searched the snippet view on this name to get a feel for the work. I suppose it requires finding other refs to refine the section if I find it odd, perhaps change the name, so will come back to it when some turn up. ~ cygnis insignis 18:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chimpanzee#In_culture]] 

message: I made the spelling of "behavior" and "behaviour" consistent, and my edits were reverted. Is consistent spelling not more professional? 
Cassie Schebel (talk) 16:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit reversion? 

message: The references to the phrase "Eidetic Memory" under the Cognition section should be removed as there is no reference to it in the source provided, and it would indicate an unproven phenomenon 95.44.126.98 (talk) 21:45, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. UtherSRG (talk) 01:59, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he meant to use . SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:26, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

text: I haven’t checked the source (Ref 115, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0959438809000269?via%3Dihub), but the same information about chimpanzee photographic (like humans have) memory is in https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2007.10.027 SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:25, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2023 

message: This article says "The oldest known male captive chimpanzee to have been documented lived to 66 years, and the oldest female, Little Mama, was over 70 years old." But apparently J. Fred Muggs is 71 years old. Either that chimp is actually dead or the record lifespan needs to be changed. 2607:FB91:188:9A00:AE:A558:31B7:9023 (talk) 00:00, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a reliable and independent source that says Muggs is alive or not, we can use that to update. The current reference was from 2018, when he was 65. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest lifespan 

message: A vandal once moved this page (and its talk) to an inappropriate title. Per WP:DENY, the moved main page is hidden in the move log, but it’s still there in the talk page move log. Could someone please fix it? 174.211.175.132 (talk) 14:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved 

message: in section Characteristics, third paragraph is currently:
"Chimpanzee skin that is covered with body hair is white, while exposed areas vary with it being white passing with age into a dark muddy colour in eastern chimpanzees, freckled on white which with age becomes muddy in colour and heavily mottled central chimpanzees; and black forming butterfly-shaped white mask that with age darkenings in western chimpanzees."
extremely strange phrasing on this sentence, i would change it to:
"Chimpanzee skin that is covered with body hair is white, while exposed areas vary: white which ages into a dark muddy colour in eastern chimpanzees, freckled on white which ages to a heavily mottled muddy colour in central chimpanzees, and black with a butterfly-shaped white mask that darkens with age in western chimpanzees." Spatulatrix (talk) 22:32, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2023 

message: Please change the confusing and misleading "physical strength 1.5 times greater than humans" to "muscles 50% stronger per weight than those of humans" ("mass-specific"), which is what the linked reference actually supports; particularly clear in its discussion appendix. WJBC-NG (talk) 23:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: UtherSRG (talk) 00:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

text: What? It also states "available data suggests that chimpanzee mass-specific muscular performance is a more modest 1.5 times greater than humans on average". LittleJerry (talk) 03:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2024 

message: I'm planning on nominating this article for FA by mid-April to early-May. I'll be working on it next week Tuesday; who else wants to join? I'm also working on the narwhal and bonobo articles, so a little help would be really helpful. I feel like it's time this article gets Featured. I already recruited . Wolverine XI (den • 🐾) 18:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't mind helping out. I'll look though the stuff I added to the article. I would advise that you try to get a hold of as many sources as possible. Maybe order some books to act as the backbone of your research. There's also Chimpanzee – Wisconsin National Primate Research Center – UW–Madison. You probably shouldn't think too far ahead and work on getting narwhal passed first. LittleJerry (talk) 20:50, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, found 8 books I'd like to utilize for chimpanzees and their lesser known cousins, bonobos. Wolverine XI (den • 🐾) 22:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , I would also use Gandall's book (certainly cited) since she is a top expert and pioneer. LittleJerry (talk) 19:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Who's Gandall? I only know of Jane Goodall. She's one of the reasons why I became highly invested in animals. I began studying animals around 2018, but it was mostly on carnivorous mammals. I'm pretty much new to primate research. Wolverine XI  (talk to me) 19:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA to FA