Talk:South Bend, Indiana

message: Someone requested earlier that South Bend's contributions to music be discussed. The comment was unduly erased. I am reinserting the request. — Lumbercutter 02:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Music legacy

message: The article is rapidly acquiring information, and could make a decent encyclopedia article at some point, but it does not meet the Good Article criteria yet, and will not be listed at this time. The biggest issues with the article are with criterion 1 (prose), criterion 2 (verifiability and citations), and criterion 3 (completeness). I don't see any significant issues with criterions 4 (neutrality), 5 (stability), or 6 (images). Some more specific issues follow:
* The lead section is far too short. It should be a good summary of the article's content. It might help editors to review WP:LEAD for tips in this area.
* The geography section seems kind of fragmented and disordered. It focuses more on driving distance to Chicago and its relation to other states, instead of the actual geography of its own region. There's also lots of little spelling/grammar errors: "The cities coordinates" should be "The city's coordinates", and "moderating the temperature in summer." doesn't seem to make much sense.
* The history section starts off somewhat interesting, but isn't anywhere near complete. It kind of leaves us off in the mid 1950s and ignores the latter half of the 20th century, and the 21st century. The companies that have "developed in the area" really don't explain how this is significant to the city itself.
* Most of the history section is pretty much unsourced. One specific issue is the lack of citation regarding the, "first service of electrified streetcars anywhere in the world", which seems to be in disagreement with Frank Sprague's electric streetcars in Richmond, Virginia in 1888 (see the Richmond article for the source on this one).
* Demographics should be moved into its own main section (separate from culture), following guidelines for US city articles. You might also want to check that guideline as well for tips on how to order sections in the article, and what sections are missing from the article. Most notably, there's no government information in the article. This should be added. I would also recommend putting 'sports' into its own main section, instead of a subsection under 'culture'.
* The culture section also seems to be listing several 'other points of interest', breaking away from prose. Lists are generally a B-class attribute. The list also contains several external links; only internal wikilinks should appear in article text, and all external links belong in the 'external links' section at the end of the article. Try to keep weasel words and flowery language to a minimum.
* Some of the things in the culture section seem to be written more for a tourist guide than an encyclopedia article; 
* Education: again, what's with the list? Some of these, like Notre Dame, Indiana aren't colleges, but towns or 'unincorporated cities'. Better to talk about the relationships of the colleges and how the relate to the city of South Bend, rather than just listing them.
* The list of famous residents is getting a bit long. It might be advisable to move this to a separate page. These lists also tend to attract vandals and other miscreants, like Skip Wright (Whiffle ball hall of famer? Gimme a break!).
* Move 'external links' to the end of the article, per WP:MOS.
This is an incomplete list obviously, but should hopefully be useful in getting editors started towards improving this article towards GA status. It might help to take a look at some other towns and cities that are current Good Articles, such as Flagstaff, Arizona or Richmond, Virginia, for a good model of what a GA-class city article should look like. The templates and guidelines at WP:CITIES should also be helpful as well. Cheers! Dr. Cash 02:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also found some dead links. MahangaTalk 03:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: This article has improved a lot since the last time, and I think is very close to WP:GA at this point.  I fixed a couple of minor grammatical and style issues, but there's still a couple of things to work on:
* The history section still needs a little more work. It tells a pretty good story of the town, but still leaves the reader hanging at the end, stopping in the 60s, the jumping to 2000, and the only bit from the 80s & 90s is about the new baseball team. Certainly, there's got to be more going on in this town, or are all those rumors about watching the corn grow in Indiana true?
* The geography section is good, although the climate is pretty short. I think more can be said about the climate than two sentences. What about more of a description of the seasonal changes in weather, instead of just throwing the numbers into a table on average temps & rainfall? I wonder if you can find the actual historical dates for the absolute high & low record temperates (I've seen this in some city articles)?
* 'Cityscape' should be added as a subsection within geography. Include some description on the various neighborhoods and parts of the city. Talk about how they are connected and interrelated.
* "Ancestries: Germans (17.4%), Polish (10.6%), Irish (10.5%), English (5.8%), United States (3.9%), Hungarian (3.3%) (from City-Data.com)." -- This isn't really a sentence; it's just tabular data presented in prose form, but not really prose. Can anything else be said about these ethnic groups? How did they come to settle in South Bend? Also, the city-data.com site doesn't exactly look like it meets WP:RS; it looks more like a spam linkfarm site. I would recommend trying to find a better source at the US census bureau website.
* While it technically doesn't violate the WP:MOS, I think it would be better to eliminate the subsection headers in the education and media sections. The information contained in each subsection should be tied together within the main topic better with actual prose. The subsection headers make everything look more 'listy', and separate.
* The information in the 'sister cities' section needs a citation. I'm not sure where this information came from, but the Indiana listing on the sister cities international website does not list any sister cities for South Bend.
* See if you can try and make the information in the article flow a bit better together. A lot of the content seems rather isolated, and somewhat bland and boring (just basic information, and nothing fancy). Try to make it sound a bit more interesting to capture the readers attention, without going overly flowery.
I think once these issues are fixed, the article will meet the Good article criteria. I'll put it on hold at WP:GAN until February 5, 2008, so these issues can be addressed. Cheers! Dr. Cash (talk) 04:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also found some dead links. MahangaTalk 03:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Take 2

message: I was wondering if any else is watching this page, or interested in updating the history sections with well cited sources. Any takers? cntrlaltdel33t 21:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hello?

message: How can it's metropolitan area had a population of 316,663, if St. Joseph County 2005 population estimate is 266,160?--Rayc (talk) 23:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The metro area extends outside St. Joe county. Tool2Die4 (talk) 23:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The MSA for South Bend is only St. Joseph County (IN) and Cass County (MI), not Elkhart County. BandH2020 (talk) 23:42, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: Someone has added several pictures of Studebaker vehicles to the museums section of the article. These seem to clutter up the article, a lot, and might better fit in a Studebaker article. I am planning to restore the article to its previous state if no one objects. cntrlaltdel33t (talk) 22:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Studebaker

message: I think that Tippecanoe Place should be mentioned in the article somewhere due to its notability as a landmark both with its relation to the Studebakers as well as now housing one of the classier restaurants in the region. However, I'm reluctant to add it to the article because I don't want to imply that I'm promoting the restaurant. I suppose that it could go under "See also" but it would seem out of place there. Mapsax (talk) 23:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say throw it under "Arts and culture".  If Tippecanoe Place has its own article, then its notable enough to add into the South Bend article.  I like their Sunday brunch, but I don't think you can call it a "classy restaurant" in the article. Crotchety Old Man (talk) 23:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tippecanoe Place

message: The 2010 count is in...
http://tribstar.com/news/x62526035/Census-data-show-Vigo-population-growth
101,168.
Ryoung122 11:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Census 2010

message: South Bend added a new sister city, Guanajuato, Mexico. Not listed on the official page just yet, but can be found from WNDU news report: http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headlines/Today_Mayor_Steve_Luecke_welcomed_delegates_from_South_Bends_new_sister_city_Guanajuato_Mexico_128346883.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.85.182 (talk) 02:50, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional Sister City

message: An IP renamed the instances of "South Bend Regional Airport" to instead be "South Bend Airport". This was reverted back due to the image clearly showing "Regional" in the name.
However, from what I can see, both names are wrong. In April 2014, the airport announced that it was officially changing its name to "South Bend International" (or "South Bend International Airport" accroding to one newspaper).]
There appears to be a discussion already started at Talk:South Bend Airport#2014 name change to get consensus on renaming the article. Whichever is determined, I believe the mention in this article should also be updated. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the airport 

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message: "South Bend was the first community in the United States to have an electrified trolley system (even though it was a few years before it was usable and profitable)." 
There is no date or reference for this claim. However, this refutes that claim: "August 30, 1888 The Lafayette IN street railway begins operations, the first successful electric operation in Indiana." from David Chambers, "Lafayette Street Railway Company" 1958. 
According to other reports, the first electric trolley was in Scranton, PA, and the second in Lafayette, IN. 
I suggest removing the claim.
Dan Bollinger (talk) 15:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  First trolley system? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Closed early per WP:SNOW.   -- Calidum 13:56, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: South Bend, Indiana →  – Similarly to cities such as Paris, Manchester, Boston, Chicago, the South Bend in Indiana is by far the most prominent location by this name. The term "South Bend" already redirects to "South Bend, Indiana", so (unless we change the redirect to the disambiguation page) it would only make sense to just locate the article under this name. SecretName101 (talk) 20:23, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 31 March 2021 

message: Are  arrows appropriate to utilize on the population and GDP data in the infobox? Many major cities and countries already use these and they seem to be helpful in determining the recent change in said figures.
BandH2020 (talk) 02:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Arrows

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message: Quite simply, the statement that had been in the opening that South Bend increased its population in the 2010's for the first time in 50 years is FALSE.  Firstly, if you check the source attributed to it (which I did), that is NOT what was said in the article.  Secondly, if you look at the population box further down in this entry, we can see that the population INCREASED in South Bend in the decade of 1990-2000, again in direct disagreement with this statement. Very, very sloppy work and attribution.  I'm sure there are people more interested in this South Bend article than I am. Asc85 (talk) 02:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed South Bend population increase in Opening on Feb. 23, 2023 

message: I was looking for more sources to read more of a description about what happened, and I came across a newspaper from June 1924 from a KKK publication. It's definitely an interesting read, with them claiming that the students were beating up women and even hit a baby, "There were several instances where women and in one case a child three years old were innocent victims of the day's outrage? A blow was aimed and fell upon a baby girl"(page 5). They even claimed in one section that the kkk came back to the school the following day with guns and that black people organised themselves to fight back against the KKK with the Notre Dame students and drive them back, "While the battle was on between the Ku Kluxers and Notre Dame students a great number of Negroes organised themselves into unit and gave battle to the hooded ranks driving the Kluxers to shelter (page 4)".
Is this source still worth including, considering how much of it is likely made up? Here's the source if people want to read: "http://bl-libg-doghill.ads.iu.edu/gpd-web/fierycross/1924/1924613.pdf" H.Fornasier (talk) 09:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  KKK 1924 fight with Notre Dame