Talk:Marineland of Canada

message: Well it's happened again, someone started making more "Free the prisoners" comments and slammed the park again. 2nd time I've fixed that up. I did however feel that the Zoocheck link was fair enough to leave available. Perhaps I'm wrong in thinking that. 
I'm going to see what I can dig up on Marineland's history (I'm local), and perhaps make this page a little less "Bland" :) . 
03:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: This is the park that allowed the whale that played willy to get lesions and suffere poor health while at marineland —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brandonhard (talk • contribs) 04:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or Junior, the killer whale they allowed to languish and die after spending 4 years in total isolation in an enclosed (read: no sunlight, no fresh air) tank?  Or the fact that the public tank is far too small?  I was taken to this park as a child, and I'm shocked that no improvments have been made in the past 20 years.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.134.112 (talk) 01:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  how about some criticism 

message: It has been quite sometime since I've visited the Marineland Wiki page.  The last time I was here I noticed there was a brief about the park possibly closing.  I see it is no longer on the page.  Can someone tell me if Marineland is no longer in jeopardy of shutting down?  With the expanions planned, it seems they're heading in the right direction.
I'm from Pennsylvania, went to college in Erie and fell in love with the park based on its commercials (lame I know).  I've never been to Marineland but want to so badly! --Write On 1983 18:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, the park was never going to be closing (except portions of it being closed for upgrades briefly). That was just something that somebody added here, which was incorrect. It was removed once somebody noticed that it was here, not because the status had changed but simply because it was wrong to start with. --Maelwys 19:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh.  That's great news, then.  I've since moved away from Erie and will miss the commercials.  :)  Thanks for the information!  --Write On 1983 00:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Park's future 

message: I don't agree that this entry reads like an advertisement. Marineland (Ontario) is extremely well known in eastern Canada, largely because of the huge television advertising campaign they've done every summer for decades all over eastern Canada. Marty55 03:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Reads like an advertisement' 

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message: Mr. Holer owns 2 trailer parks, and I heard one of them he just gave notice that he was closing. Is this the park that he is putting in the hotel?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.26.133.148 (talk) 17:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't say much, but yes, Mr. Holer is going to close down the trailer park. 24.226.21.207 (talk) 23:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Future Developments

message: This article could use a healthy dose of it and that extends in more than one 'direction'. The park itself has existed for almost fifty years now and as someone else pointed out it's very well known, at least regionally in that part of North America. Although I haven't run it yet on LexisNexis news search or the like, I'll wager it returns quite a few hits after just a cursory attempt. In my opinion, for a park that has so many potential mainstream news sources, this one is extremely reliant on its own website for far too many of its basic references. I'd also like to extend a gentle reminder to some other editors that, the purpose of an article isn't to advocate a particular point of view. Although of course properly referenced past criticisms of the parks alleged practises should be included, consideration must be given to 'due weight' and 'neutrality' in the material being posted.  cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 20:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "neutrality" 

message: If we are using the former spelling, then it should be changed throughout the article. However, even the theme park's main web page uses a lower case L in the name, although the copyright info uses an upper case L. Has the park rebranded itself with the upper case L? Either the article should be consistent, or it should be mentioned that the park is inconsistent in the use of its name. Or is the one with the upper case L a logo, and the name is the same as it's been? Bob98133 (talk) 13:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is strange that they've left it as a capital in their logo and use it all lowercase elsewhere.  I don't know if there's a protocol for a situation like this...  But ya we should decide on one or the other.  TastyCakes (talk) 14:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Five years later, I fixed some more inconsistency in the body, then moved the page. Logos are artistic things, and can bend the rules. AC/DC uses a thunderbolt instead of a slash for theirs. Adidas uses all lowercase. We don't try to spell it. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:58, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  MarineLand v. Marineland 

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message: Changed  'A public against the park outcry ensued.' to 'A public outcry against the park ensued.' 
I think this article will be getting more exposure, so we should be as clear as clorox on the sentence structure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnfancy (talk • contribs) 05:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: An unreferenced statement like "[a] public outcry against the park ensued" shouldn't even appear in the context it's found here in the first place; it's patently and obviously an unreferenced editorial "interpretation" being inserted in order to boost a particular non-neutral perspective on the matter. I agree, this article will be presently drawing more attention, so let's try and keep it 'clean' and above board folks. thanks 74.14.25.29 (talk) 05:51, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  minor edit in controversies section 

message: Please stop removing sourced content and replacing it with your unsourced list of animal deaths. You are causing the article to lose valid, sourced content, and adding bad, unsourced content. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 15:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced content 

message: Is it worth including that Keiko (orca) of "Free Willy" fame was once a "resident" at Marineland? According to the wikipedia, it was the first place he performed, though he was sold to a Mexican amusement park in 1985 after developing skin lesions. No good sources in that article, though so you'd need to dig some up. - 134.76.201.140 (talk) 08:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keiko? 

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message: I find that when I read this page, it comes accrossed as very anti-Marineland. When I read about the OSPCA pressing charges or requests, it never speaks about what MarineLand did or if the charges were inforced. 
"“A single peacock, out of thousands of birds, had an issue with one eye,” Marineland said in a statement sent to The Canadian Press. “The peacock was otherwise healthy, eating well and interacting with all the other birds.”
Marineland said its veterinarian treated the peacock and believes the bird “is fine and with appropriate treatment will return to the flock and lead a healthy long life.”"https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/marineland-charged-with-five-counts-of-animal-cruelty/article33050651/
Or statments like this regarding killer whales at Marineland "She lives in a two pool complex which is, by multiple times, the largest pool housing a killer whale anywhere in the world." http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/kiska---marinelands-killer-whale-520315291.html
I think we can create a more balance article that doesn't reflect the issues and talks about the future of these parks, without the media hype.
::Media hype? Reporting on charges laid against the park and the protests by concerned citizens? That is media hype? I am NOT an animal rights activist at all. See my User page. 
::But I do believe in covering any situation as the facts indicate. CBC News: Marineland charged with 6 new counts of animal cruelty, By Amara McLaughlin, CBC News  Posted: Jan 09, 2017  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/marineland-charged-with-6-counts-animal-cruelty-1.3927659
::Before I got involved, this article read like Public Relations Hype for the park. Like the entire investigation and charges had never happened. There is still a lot of content that sounds like it came from a Marineland ad.
::Feel free to add happy news, fully cited from repected news sources if you feel that balance is necessary. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is my understanding that all charges have been dropped or delt with. Snowy Badger (talk) 05:35, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? Based on what?? I guarantee that if the charges are ever dropped, that info will be all over the Marineland web site within five minutes. And it will be reported by the news media. Peter K Burian (talk) 13:19, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Coverage of controversies and negative press belongs in the article. It should be neutrally worded, not given undue weight compared with the rest of the article, and should be clear about when accusations are made and not proven, or if the target of the accusations responded, etc. Everything should include a secondary, reliable source that provides objective coverage. Press releases are not appropriate sources. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 13:42, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balance statments 

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message: Seems like a lot of POV pushing here.  Recommend the lead contributor go to Montreal again and anonymously report alleged violators of policy.  198.81.129.186 (talk) 12:56, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV pushing 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 15:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's some evidence that Marineland of Canada is not the common name (because none of the secondary sources I've seen use it regularly)! Sources that use Marineland: (although this one mentions the official company name is Marineland of Canada Inc.), etc. There is the occasional source that uses the MarineLand spelling  but regular Marineland in reference to the Canadian theme park is overwhelmingly common. I can provide further examples if necessary. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Marineland of New Zealand does not appear to be the common name. Here's some evidence of sources that use Marineland: . Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:42, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Marineland of Antibes doesn't seem to have a clear common name in English. Two sources use Marineland Antibes  and this source uses Marineland in Antibes . I'm not really seeing anything that'd suggest that Marineland of Antibes is what the article title should be. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: Orginarily closed as not moved; per concerns raised on my talk page.  (t/c) 03:45, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

text: *Oppose - per WP:NATURAL, the current titles seem to be a better way of disambiguating between these places (and in some cases seem arguably better known by the "Marineland of x" name than just Marineland. I'd also note that changing to the proposed "Marineland (Florida)" for that specific one may inadvertently cause more confusion, given the town of Marineland, Florida. Turnagra (talk) 05:21, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 April 2023