Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Castles

message: Okay, first draft of an auxiliary template for parts of castles; at the moment, it supports the following parameters:
* name
* partof - just in case the part has a separate article and needs to be linked back to the main one
* image
* caption
* type
* built - date
* builder - person/group
* materials
* demolished - date
* condition
* height
It can be nested right under the main infobox, or placed further down in the article.  Comments? Kirill Lokshin 03:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anybody? ;-) Kirill Lokshin 04:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: (In particular: is it worth having a separate template for this, or would people just prefer that the main infobox handle both entire castles and subsidiary structures gracefully?) Kirill Lokshin 04:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if I mind terribly either way... It could be helpful to stick with the auxiliary template as, once it's established, it can be adopted by other purposes and adapted to suit, for example, individual buildings within a religious complex. LordAmeth 10:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auxiliary template 

message: Okay, I've updated  to include a bunch of the new parameters.  (For simplicity, I've just added the partof and height parameters directly to it, rather than creating an auxiliary template; mutliple instances of the infobox can be stacked, if desired.)  The documentation for the new parameters is on the template page.
Feedback from using this thing in articles would be highly appreciated! Kirill Lokshin 03:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hooray! Now we can start using it! Thanks for all the hard work! LordAmeth 09:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good effort. I added in an ownership field also - seemingly without screwing everything up! Thanks Kirill. I should also mention that  has also been set up. I dont know if there's a feeling that these should be merged? The only extra fields appear to be "open to the public" and "entry fee" which may be useful. The appearance is also somewhat different. Any thoughts? ::Supergolden:: 09:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would be nice to merge it in, in the long run.  The "open to the public" bit can be easily worked into the "Current condition" field, I think; as for the entry fee, that seems like trivia moreso than something we'd want to note so prominently in the infobox. Kirill Lokshin 13:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: So, any news on how we want to proceed?  Should  be converted to the new infobox and deprecated? Kirill Lokshin 21:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can  be redirected to  to avoid confusion? ::Supergolden:: 16:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, will do. Kirill Lokshin 04:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trying things out 

message: --Mcginnly | Natter 13:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: In topic

message: Glad to see it! Please see my "castles project" on my user page. --Dweller 14:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This WikiProject 

message: I am hoping to significantly expand upon Japanese castle in the very near future (possibly tonight). In the meantime, however, I am wondering if anyone here has any experience with this subject. As far as I can tell, there does not seem to be a standard set of terms to describe the evolution of castles in Japan. Shiro (城) is used throughout, to refer both to the wooden structures built largely out of the land, using natural obstacles and topography far more than constructed defenses and to the later (Azuchi-Momoyama period, roughly 1575-1615) castles as we stereotypically know them today, with large stone bases, soaring keeps, etc. For the infobox' "phase" element, I am for now simply using "early Japanese" and "Azuchi-Momoyama" as my classifiers. If anyone strongly disagrees and/or has significant insights and sources, I would be happy to hear about it. (And maybe I'll take out a few books on castles from the library tomorrow and get on this.) LordAmeth 19:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to elaborate a tiny bit further, there is the possibility of using the term ishigaki (石垣), literally "stone wall", which I believe may refer to the stone bases of the Azuchi-Momoyama castles, and which may also be able to be used to refer to the castles themselves. But I'm not sure. LordAmeth 19:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, is "foundation" the year it was completed, or the year construction was begun? LordAmeth 19:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Castles in Japan 

message: At some point in the not-too-distant future, I'll likely be looking to create articles on elements or types of Japanese roofing, particularly those pertaining to castles, including karahafu, chidorihafu, and irimoya, assuming these things are not already covered somewhere else. (I haven't really looked all that hard yet.) Are there any standards for this sort of thing, or does anyone have any suggestions how to phrase or group these things?
#I could simply add sections pertaining to Japan to articles such as hipped roof, gable, etc.
#I could create an article called Japanese roofing styles, Japanese roof, Japanese roofing architecture or the like, and try to cover them all. (If anyone has suggestions for a good standard-style name, this might be the best option.)
#I could create separate articles for each individual thing, by the Japanese name, e.g. karahafu (Chinese-style gable element), chidorihafu, etc.
Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you. LordAmeth 11:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese castle architectural elements 

message: Thanks all for your help with my previous questions about Japanese architecture. I've reworked the Japanese castle article considerably, and am now putting it up for peer review; any input there would be appreciated.  Thanks! LordAmeth 11:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review request for [[Japanese castle]] 

message: Greetings, I am trying to get an article written about a castle ruin in the Black Forest. There is a German Wikipedia article on Sausenburg, but my translation skills are very sub-par. If anyone in this project knows German and is willing to help, I have a sandbox version in my userspace? Thanks a lot.--Eva bd 16:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind. See Sausenburg Castle.--Eva bd 05:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the castle infobox used in this project. Good luck with the DYK nomination!  --Grimhelm 16:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks...for both the infobox and the wish of luck! I've got one other question for the project. When last I was at Sausenburg, I took a picture of the artist's rendition at the bottom of the wall. It is a pretty awful picture because of the reflection off the plexiglass, but it could probably be cleaned up to show what the castle look like before it was destroyed. I've uploaded the image to the commons if anyone wants to take a crack at cleaning up.--Eva bd 13:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try this. I made the contrast more notable with MS Paint, by converting it to monochrome. I accidentally uploaded it to the wrong name though, but if you like it we can change it.  --Grimhelm 16:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Grimhelm's version has now been uploaded and added to the article. I think it looks quite nice.--Eva bd 18:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sausenburg]] 

message: Coverage of Japanese castles is good, and getting better. Middle Eastern and North African castles and fortresses, particularly those with a strong European influence, is strong as well. I imagine that Chinese fortresses likewise get their share of attention. But as of this writing, there is no reference to the equivalent in the Korean architecture article, nor any separate articles as far as I am aware on Korean castles in general, or in particular. The same almost assuredly goes for the Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and whatever roughly equivalent structures that may be found in South America, Central America, Sub-Saharan Africa, and elsewhere which may fit into the scope of this Project.
I write all this not as an accusation to anyone, nor even as an obnoxious plea that we get moving on it, but just as a calm, btw, notification of what is currently not yet done. Just to elaborate and explain my meaning in adding to the "To do" list on the front page. Thank you. LordAmeth 12:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:CSB]] 

message: I have been working through articles on French castles, including improvements to the List of castles in France page, with a few other editors.  This has involved identifying, linking to and eventually translating suitable articles from the French wiki; removing from the list those châteaux that are actually palaces, stately homes or vineyards; where possible, creating new pages.
I have recently come across an article on the Château de Morimont, spelled Château du Morimont, which I wanted to move to the correct spelling as given by the French Ministry of Culture and to expand. Now, the Min of Culture website (a fantastic resource by the way) lists TWO castles with similar names in the correct location, Oberlag :
::a) Château fort de Morimont 
::b) Ruines du château de Morimont 
So, can anyone help with this? I am happy to write the article using the Min of Culture as the main reference, but I am worried as to whether there are in fact two distinct castles, or is one built within the other or what? If anyone has any definite information it would be much appreciated.  (Also posted on WikiProject France talk page.) Emeraude 11:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Afraid I cant help you with that, but since you evidently have more knowledge of French castles, can I draw your attention to the horribly misnamed Chateau of Chillon article - see my comment on the talk page. Thanks, ::Supergolden:: 09:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Castles in France 

message: Just to let the WikiProject know, User:The Rambling Man and I have chosen Harlech Castle as our latest FA project.
There's a great deal of of work to do on this article. On our previous projects, we've had tremendous support from relevant WikiProjects (football and cricket) and it'd be great if you could help too.
Our usual modus operandi for taking articles to FA is fully outlined here. 
Cheers--Dweller 13:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Harlech Castle]] 

message: The imposing Castillo de la Mota in Medina del Campo is up for peer review, hopefully going on to be the featured picture to illustrate this project's main article:
Wikipedia:Picture peer review/Castle
I feel it illustrates the major features of a castle well for a core topic (especially appropriate as a castle of the Kingdom of Castile, whose very name means "castle"), with the striking image of snow on a Spanish castle.  --Grimhelm 19:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture Peer Review 

message: Seeing as this project seems to have become largely inactive, we of WP:MILHIST would like to propose the possibility of converting it to a task force, either with the same scope (i.e. a "Castles task force") or with a broader one (i.e. a "Fortification task force").  Comments on this idea, as well as any other suggestions, would be very welcome! Kirill 22:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or merged/ linked to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Military technology and engineering task force. Certainly invites duplication as an isolated project. Folks at 137 07:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, somewhat more specifically: we now have a Fortifications task force running.  Given the seemingly total lack of activity here, would there be any objections to merging the project into this new task force? Kirill 16:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. Will castles task force pages and article tags be converted to fortifications equivalents? Else there may be some housekeeping. Not a task force member, but what the hell? Folks at 137 17:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There probably will be some housekeeping, but we can try to minimize that. Kirill 18:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

text: SUPPORT the MilHist TF proposal to MERGE!  Thanks for the proactive proposal.  This project is, as noted, very inactive.  I came here today to look for a place to comment to someone more in the know on creating/formating new castle articles, or finding someone interested in further fleshing out some of the smaller and less-noticed Irish castles (I have pictures) and don't even know who or where to write about it. N2e 02:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Becoming a MILHIST task force?