Talk:Baba Vanga

message: The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. --KenWalker | Talk 04:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: This article does not mention her prophecies on a distant future that turned out to be true, like a prophecy on Kursk submarine. Netrat_msk (talk) 20:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a reliable source, please add them. --Cameltrader (talk) 22:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Well that didn't age too well... 142.213.178.23 (talk) 14:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prophecies 

message: Can we say with any certainty that she was ethnically Bulgarian? --Hegumen (talk) 14:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What else could she be? --Laveol T 15:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I mean, what else besides any nonsense I feel you'll try to introduce. She self-identified as Bulgarian, was born as Bulgarian and was identified as such by every single source (besides the one I guess you'll cite and that for some reason come from a specific country in South-Eastern Europe). --Laveol T 15:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa, calm down. I'd just like to see her "self-identification as Bulgarian" properly sourced. That's all. It's a controversial topic as you well know. --Hegumen (talk) 15:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's exactly what I meant - it is not controversial. It could be for some ultranationalist, irredentist and so on persons. Bulgarian means Bulgarian whatever those guys like to think. --Laveol T 15:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Btw as I look at it there are enough sources in the Sources section - do you need inline citations? Feel free to add them yourself :) --Laveol T 15:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Now, that's something worth mentioning :)) --Laveol T 17:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work, Jingby. --Hegumen (talk) 15:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you write his username like that? Did you mean to tell him something? --Laveol T 15:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just copied/pasted it like that, relax. --Hegumen (talk) 03:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgarian? 

message: I've removed again the list of alleged prophecies - this time it was sourced, but not only the source itself appears to be not reliable, the author admits that "the article, and all of the predictions you just saw here, were translated from a Russian Newspaper Article, therefore it’s impossible to find out whether this article is credible or simply a sensationalism driven hoax…" --Daggerstab (talk) 16:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of alleged prophecies 

message: I have never yet seen a location where her "Future Prophecies" were ever cited besides the internet.  Are we 100% that she honestly made those predictions?  I mean, some of them seem REALLY far fetched.  "Humans will become robots."  What?  Source and we'll remove the hoax template.  --LukeScalone (talk) 02:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Hoax 

message: Vanga mentions the 44rth president being black, she also mentions the 4 asssasination attempts on headofstate.  1.) qaddafi (own guards kill him) 2.) erdogan (the failed coup attempt) 3.) trump (the failed gunman) 4.) karlov, ambassador of russia (suceeded hitman).  Nostradamus mentions the word mabus, could this correlate to Ray Mabus, head of the US Navy?  Afterall it was the US navy that destroyed the airbase in syria with a cause of war.  The blatant act of agression against another military power.  He mentions the year 7 (2017?) being very relevant.  They also mention the prince.  Something to do with trump.  I hope this helps on material for future edits.  Karlov and trump can be misplaced with Kim Jong Un, qaddafi, erdogan, yakonovych as of late from an eastern political view.  The correlation of ww3 with baba vanga is uncanny.  Infact muslims did invade europe in 2016 with a great migrant crisis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.30.97 (talk) 23:07, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Assasination attempts and Nostradamus

message: Bulgarian chess master Topalov never became a world champion as claimed in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.188.176.219 (talk) 08:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: He was world champion in 2005. And lost the title the following year. End of the story. --Laveol T 08:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Topalov 

message: In the summary, the birthplace should be characterized as being in the Bulgarian-populated part of Turkey or something along those lines, since "ancient Bulgaria" simply sounds strange (and unclear).—172.56.18.46 (talk) 07:34, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characterization of the birthplace 

message: The beginning of the "Life" section has
"the second Bulgarian annexation of the region"; which region is that?
(By the way, I don't know that the 1941–1944 occupation was an annexation, but let's leave that aside for now.)
—172.56.18.46 (talk) 07:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Second annexation"? 

message: This entire article suffers from a lack of citations to reliable sources, and generally unencyclopedic tone at many parts. It needs some serious attention if it is to stick around. --V2Blast (talk) 06:50, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low-quality article 

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message: I first became aware of Baba Vanga when I saw the wave of media coverage of her prediction about Barack Obama being the last US president. At the time, all the coverage simply ended there, and there was no source locatable anywhere for her predicting anything about what would happen next — only after the US election date last year did the "messianic bringer of peace" prediction suddenly start materializing; even on a Google search, that prediction completely fails to exist in any source published anytime prior to November 11, 2016. Even just one day earlier, that prediction was nowhere to be found, and the media were randomly speculating about what the Obama prediction might mean in light of the fact that a non-Obama election had just taken place. And even on the actual "official" Baba Vanga website, I can't seem to find any indication anywhere of it claiming that she ever actually made either prediction.
So, my question: is there really properly sourced evidence for her saying either of these things in reality, or does the idea of a dead psychic seer just provide a convenient pretext for people to start making up whatever idea they want to propagate into her mouth, since she isn't alive to contradict it, and the media just blindly pass on any new "prediction" that comes along without actually investigating whether there's any evidence that she ever actually said it? Bearcat (talk) 04:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I will try and look for something, but I am rather sceptical that there is even a single reliable source about any of her alleged clairvoyance. --Laveol T 09:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: Just under the "Work" section, it said that Vanga "[showed] very right-wing, reactionary and xenophobic tendencies." However the source for this is not only obviously biased, but also not actually talking about Vanga, the article is talking about Vanya, who is being a medium to speak to Vanga's spirit. To make claims that Vanga is "very right-wing, reactionary and xenophobic" on the basis of a very shoddy source is inappropriate for this article. I removed the line, unless someone can prove that weight is due and that there are reliable sources proving Vanga was "right-wing."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmperorJimmu (talk • contribs) 05:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: White Brotherhood laterally translates to a word Pandava - पांडव in Sanskrit! They are the antagonists in the ancient poem - Mahabharata - महाभारत. Which is also the largest/longest poem in the world. 
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message: Vangeliya Gushterova was a Bulgarian born in the Ottoman Empire, lived in the Kingdom of Serbia, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Kingdom of Bulgaria, Peoples Republic of Bulgaria and Republic of Bulgaria. In none of the states above the Macedonian language was official. How is this language related to her? She's neither Macedonian nor ever lived in a state where this language is or was official. Based on what Kromid you add this language? Based on the fact that she was born on the territory of a geographical region that has the same name as the language or on something else? --StanProg (talk) 16:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: She was born in the region of what is now North Macedonia and her native dialect would have been a part of the western dialects of the East South Slavic dialect continuum - i.e closer to Macedonian despite the standard not existing at the time.Kromid (talk) 02:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have decided against this, I no longer support adding the Macedonian translation. Kromid (talk) 00:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant transliteration to non-related Macedonian language 

message: There seems to be a debate on what her actual birthday was. Was it January 31 or October 3?2600:100C:A202:C26F:2178:E63D:EFE3:2B1 (talk) 08:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't know this. 103.16.24.173 (talk) 15:50, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthday 

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message: Baba Vanga was born in Strumica, Macedonia but moved to Bulgaria. In her BG passport she is mentioned as Macedonian. In the passport it clearly says Македонка (Macedonian) and her real date of birth. You CANNOT deny that she listed herself as nationality MACEDONIAN. I know this is a very complex identity and topic so to make it more neutral, we should make her a Macedonian Bulgarian, because she is NOT 100% Bulgarian! 
Go to Youtube and check out this Bulgarian documentary where Baba Vanga HERSELF says "аз см у Македония" - "I am in Macedonia", which implies that Macedonia did infact exist back then as it's own! Type on Youtube - ФЕНОМЕН (1976) (Документален филм за Баба Ванга, реж. Невена Тошева). Go to @41:46 to see that. Andrew012p (talk) 17:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Andrew012p, not that I have anything against your idea, but the theses presented by you are baseless. Firstly, Vanga was born in 1911 in Strumica, then in the Ottoman Empire. The first country to which this settlement was annexed after the expulsion of the Ottoman Empire from Europe in 1912 and was ceded in 1913 was Bulgaria. Strumica became part of (North) Macedonia only in 1991. Secondly, the passport issued to Vanga, where she is listed as a Macedonian was the result of a temporary administrative measures set there by the Bulgarian communist authorities after WWII. According to your logic, personalities who played a key role in the post-WWII Macedonian nation-building such as Lazar Kolishevski, Mihailo Apostolski, etc. are Macedonian Bulgarians, because they declared themselves as Bulgarians and had Bulgarian passports during WWII. Last but not least, part of Macedonia is in Bulgaria since 1913, and this is what Grandma Vanga means. Moreover, the entire region of Macedonia was a target of Bulgarian nationalism before the occurrence of clear Macedonian identity and distinct Macedonian state and language themselves. Greetings. Jingiby (talk) 06:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baba Vanga: Passport says Macedonian, "I am in Macedonia"