Talk:Udit Raj

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::Precisely. Don;t misuse BLP to propagate racist views.There is nothing malicious in the article.Just listing the facts.Hkelkar 21:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None of it is libelous and all of it is extremely well-sourced.Hkelkar 21:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article must adhere to Wiki rules on biography 

message: Corrected Article (well-sourced and non-partisan IMHO) listed here:
:Linked here:
User:Hkelkar/uditraj
Readers judge for yourselves.
Hkelkar 10:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hkelkar's input 

message: Vishwanathan PS: I agree with Basawala that "anti-Hindu" is neither here nor there, and a statement of OPINION rather than fact. In fact, many would call the HAF "anti-Hindu". Given the very POV nature of the label, I think it serves little factual purpose here.
As I am aware, most of these "former Dalits" are not anti-Hindu, but more anti-Brahmin.  If there is a citation which proves that Udit Raj is anti-Hindu, then I will remove the dubious tag.  If not, then anti-Hindu would be innacurate and should be changed to anti-Brahmin. Mar de Sin Speak up! 13:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have provided citation. HAF has alleged that his positions are anti-Hindu.Most Dalitists are generally anti-Brahmin (even that statement is misleading, actually they are anti-CASTEIST). However, fringe elements such as these have made anti-Hindu comments and have expressed anti-Hindu sentiments.Shiva's Trident 13:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks.  Mar de Sin Speak up! 13:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Hindu?? 

message: Vishwanathan PS: Edited to remove ALL controversial, POV information. I suggest that if we want to include the "anti-Hindu" view, we also include information on the parties making that accusation. It is after all a highly politicised situation and merely including partisan charges from one poliical party is unbalanced. Either we include all sides, or none.
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Vishwanathan PS: Prior to the most recent edit, the article was full of unsourced, biased and irrelevant anti-Dalit, anti-minority propaganda information, including links from extremist terrorist-symathetic Hindu nationalist organizations like the VHP, which has been indicted internationally for extremist violence against religious minorities in India. Highly biased and propagandistic. 
:As of this time, the recent edits are unsourced, biased and full of irrelevant propaganda information, either from biased sources or extremist terrorist-sympathetic and other anti-Hindu sources. The article is highly unbalanced and non-neutral.Discussion is needed.Hkelkar 09:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Point 1. This statement:
Because of these connections with other minority religious groups, Hindu nationalist groups, documented by Human Rights Watch among others.
Is just plain wrong. Hindu Nationalists have never attacked Dalits. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hkelkar (talk • contribs) .
>>>>>The Ranveer Sena, a Sangh Parivar outfit, has been documented for attacking Dalits all over Bihar and UP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HMuggle1982 (talk • contribs) .
>>Ranvir Sena has nothing to do with Hindu Nationalists. They are unrelated to them.Don;t deliberately conflate 2 unrelated orgs.Hkelkar 10:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Point 2:Plus, Dalits have never protested against Casteism in the Christian Church to my knowledge. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Muggle1982 (talk • contribs) .
>>>>Factually incorrect. Check Amazon.com for the writings of Bama, a Dalit Christian. Recently, Dalit Catholics have been in the news for protesting against Catholic casteism.
>>>>>As usual, no sources. Nobody would dare criticize the "Holy Church" or gangs of hooded thugs from the national Liberation Front of Tripura would kill them.
Most criticisms of the casteist Indian Church have come from outside India. Dalit extremists such as Rajshekhar and Ilaiah have only hated Hindus and ran behind Muslims and Christians (ironic, since Muslims such as Osama bin laden and Christians such as the Ku Klux Klan would just as surely kill them quite swiftly as "Hindus" regardless of their actual religion).Hkelkar 09:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Point 3:"Coalition Against Communalism" is a partisan source per WP:RS and needs to be cited with qualification.Hkelkar 10:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Exactly Bangaru Laxman and Uma Bharti are at the forefront of Hindutva and are former dalits (technically caste doesnt exist anymore).
>>>>Uma Bharti is not a Dalit.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Muggle1982 (talk • contribs) .
>>>>>OBC, close enough.Hkelkar 10:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Muggle, stop inserting your comments inside of our comments It messes up the discussion.Bakaman Bakatalk 22:59, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: Rather disappointed that people are too busy fighting to even wikilink properly, and then use honorifics like Mr, Dr, etc and refer to the subject byu his first name. I have deleted the irrevelant commentary about VHP, Christian missionaries. If people want to know about that, they can read it themselves by clicking on the link. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The user who has been vandalizing the article, Muggle1982, has been blocked for disruptive edit-warring. I suggest a revert to the least controversial version and resume editing from there.Hkelkar 03:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: I just made an edit trying to compromise both viewpoints and made a good faith effort to represent all views, unlike Muggle1982. Please discuss this edit and modify it point by point of necessary.Please don;t make mass reverts and large edits without discussing.03:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Let's start from here and now

message: I have perused the pages, and removed ALL partisan, POV information and links! We must be scrupulously fair, and either include all points of view, or stick to basic biography, and no controversy. Once we get into copntroversy, then all sides of the controversy must be included.
::Muggle1982 you are aware that sock puppetry is not allowed in orer to evade blocks, right?Hkelkar 09:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, Udit Raj's Point of view has been adequately represented. Thanks.Hkelkar 09:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New beginnings! 

message: :Linked here:
User:Hkelkar/uditraj
Hkelkar 10:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct Article (well-sourced and non-partisan IMHO)

message: Since you're in the middle of a revert war  I have protected the page.  It is not an endorsion of the current version of the page and is only temporary - used to encourage discussion rather than pointless revert wars.  The page will be unprotected once you reach some agreement, or at least some agreement to stop revert warring.--Konst.able 10:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: Vishwanathan you say that "The Week" is partisan??? I really don;t know how to answer such comments.Besides, partisan sources like HAF can be quoted with qualification (read WP:RS).Hkelkar 10:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Absurd

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Dr. Udit Raj. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  PamD 16:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Udit Raj listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: 1 number citiation is worng Mohanxn (talk) 10:28, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The content it was cited for was wrong; he had a party office with the BJP until 2019, not with the INC. I fixed that. Huon (talk) 11:27, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Citiation