Talk:Groin vault

message: What is the English term for this type of vault? --Ghirla -трёп- 18:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it is a groin vault. Anlace 18:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I stumbled on this entry because I tried to look up the term "quincunx /ˈkwɪn.kəŋks/" which evidently is the term for the vaulted ceiling that I had learned was implemented for it's specific acoustic qualities. At first glance I figured it was related to the worm e-quinox, which seems to hold true I just never imagined Heaven to have vaulted ceilings, sealings maybe, but I had always imagined Heaven to exist somewhere up in the clouds. That seems to be what is traditionally taught to the children, as if the adults have forgotten which planet Dead get buried on, so that they may live. Dirtclustit (talk) 07:14, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Query 

message: I think we should define a criteria for inclusion in the examples paragraph, currently it's open for everyman and his dog to add to this list his local groin vault. I suggest notablility criteria for inclusion. i.e. the oldest by material, widest, tallest, unusually interesting for a specific reason, etc.etc. --Mcginnly | Natter 13:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i dont think the widest, tallest etc really make a lot of sense as the main criteria, although they might weigh in.  i would propose the following:
*world geographical distribution (we probably only need one from Russia)
**No, Too numerous. --Mcginnly | Natter 18:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think List of buildings with groin vaults would be a pretty useless article and unless we seriously restrict the list in this article to say 10 max. important groin vaults by whatever criteria we agree on, then we'll have a runaway list on our hands. With that in mind I've commented on your list. --Mcginnly | Natter 18:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *hello. no one has suggested a separate article with a list.  this discussion (i thought) is about the article section called ==Examples== regards. Anlace 19:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've given some thought to the above. I think hierophants list is a good compromise because it assert notablility for all the examples and restricts the number. My suggestion is that we do away with the 'list' altogether and weave his examples into the body of the article, discussing the progression of the vault through history. What do you think? --Mcginnly | Natter 13:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. --Ghirla -трёп- 14:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: When I was taught of that styled arch, it was part of a lesson on meaning, value, and specific purpose of such intricate architecture of Alhambrah. So I guess I always just assumed that the the acoustic qualities were designed for there. It never occurred to me that builders would go to such trouble for ornamental visual qualities.Dirtclustit (talk) 19:16, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Examples

message: Anybody speak Italian? 
I think the Illustration would be more helpful if there was some accompanying description that could explain the various elements in greater detail for the reader with little or no experience and or familiarity with construction of this type.
I took a closer look at the diagram, and found that it had been created by someone with a very nice website, which I think dealt with aspects of structural design and maybe Computer Assisted Drawing?
But as the site was in Italian I was at a loss as to how to contact the creator and ask him for his assistance.
Anybody think they might be able to make that connection? 
Thanks for reading.
Take Care,
James
Rampant unicorn (talk) 16:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustration 

message: Does groin vault really have any advantage over barrel vault when it comes to lateral stress (and need to counteract it)? Article says: "...groin vault is intrinsically a stronger design compared to the barrel vault, since the barrel vault structure must rest on long walls creating less stable lateral stress, whereas the groin vault design can direct stresses almost purely vertically on the piers"
and this sounds misleading to me, suggesting some magic related to the horizontal stress which likely does not exist:
* Yes, concentrating weight on piers is certainly advantage of groin over barrel
* BUT almost purely vertically can be achieved by both groin and barrel IF there is another neighboring vault counteracting the horizontal force (and by none of them if there is not).
If you cover a long corridor with either barrel vault or a series of groin vaults, I bet that the average horizontal force to be counteracted is the same. The advantage of groin is that this force is concentrated to points where it perhaps may be more practically counteracted by external supports (e.g. typical cathedrals). Maybe this is the advantage which should be stressed in the article, rather than hinting some magical disappearance of the horizontal force? --Vaclav.hanzl (talk) 16:06, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lateral stress