Talk:Black Loyalist

message: Can somebody who has read Rough Crossings add more to this topic?  If nobobdy else has the book, I guess I'll check it out.  I was specifically hoping to read more about Henry Washington, but I didn't see any article about him.  --W0lfie 16:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rough Crossings 

message: Is it an anachronism and a neologism to refer to "African American Loyalists"? I don't know whether British colonists were referred to as Americans, but certainly enslaved Africans would not have been referred to as "African Americans" (as in "who were all of African American descent").
Are there any reliable sources that use the phrase? A quick look at the footnotes and external links suggests otherwise: Black Loyalist Directory, blackloyalist.com, Black Loyalist Heritage Society. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 04:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's not a wikipolicy then it should be. Use the name for the group that was used at the time or that documentation upholds. CJ 10:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It is a wikipedia polociy. WP:NEO :) CJ 19:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "African American Loyalists" 

message: Even the Nova Scotia Public Archives in their African Nova Scotians section mention the fact that the Black Loyalists were African Americans who immigrated to Canada...you call Thomas Peters an African American in the article about him, you call John Marrant an African American, you call Colonel Tye an African American yet you won't call the collective group they belonged to (Black Loyalists) African Americans? This is ridiculous and if you are not convinced by now that the Black Loyalist were Black Americans then you should not be editing articles on wikipedia. At least have the courtesy to refer to them as 'Free Negroes' and not Africans (as they did not consider themselves Africans historically).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiaddict8962 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  They were not African but were African Americans 

message: refers to the Nova Scotian settlers of Sierra Leone and some of the Black Poor as 'American Loyalists' on page 179 the link is here http://books.google.com/books?id=wrIVLxvh1F8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=americo+liberian+mulatto+sarah+blyden&lr=#PPA179,M1  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiaddict8962 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Colonization Society's African Repository of 1859... 

message: For those who say African American Loyalists is a rare term obviously have not researched or searched for (on simple search engine such as google or yahoo) for this term...Black loyalists historically were African Americans-in fact the American Colonization Society referred to them as American 'Loyalists' to quote them exactly in their African Repository of 1876. There are other modern references to African American Loyalists one of which I have listed below...
http://siris-libraries.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=119F06355P93X.990&profile=liball&uri=search=SL~!African%20American%20loyalists%20--%20Directories.&menu=search&submenu=Browse&source=~!silibraries#focus  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiaddict8962 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately you're transposing a politically correct U.S. term on history.  In Canada, for instance, it's not offensive to call someone black and calling someone African-American is cause for offence for those who are neither African or American. Using African American Loyalist is incorrect historically speaking and any academic paper will call them Black Loyalists. They're called black loyalists because that was the term applied to them early on by the British. Celynn (talk) 02:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  African American Loyalists 

message: Why would the British appeal to African Americans to join them by offering them (African Americans) freedom if these American blacks were already loyal? Search through the book of Negroes; the majority of blacks joined the British after 1776 in which the United States had already been established as a nation. Thus the "Black Loyalists" were technically Americans as they were legally property of Americans. As I have added in the Article Thomas Jefferson himself referred to the settlers as "the fugitives from these states". When the Blacks who moved to Sierra Leone were raided by the French they immediately told the French they were really Americans. Please whoever is trying to portray these blacks as anything outside refugees should stop...historians agree...they were African Americans who escaped to the British in return for freedom. David George himself never expressed support for the British but luckily was given the option to evacuate the country and go to Nova Scotia. These blacks had family they left behind in the United States. They were not "loyal" to anyone but themselves.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiaddict8962 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  For those who say Black Loyalists "stayed loyal" 

message: :: Some of the United Empire Loyalists who migrated to Nova Scotia brought enslaved African Americans with them, a total of 2500 people.
While I can believe that many slaves were brought to Nova Scotia, this is an established fact, is there any citation for this number? I can't find it in any of the references. Celynn (talk) 02:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2500 slaves brought to Nova Scotia? 

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message: Should the line, "One historian has argued that the slaves were not regarded as Loyalists, since they had no choice in their fates", appear in the second paragraph? Surely this point isn't notable enough to follow the lede paragraph. (An argument might be made that "one historian" isn't notable enough to be in the article at all.) I haven't moved it unilaterally pending discussion, but given that there's no (other) treatment of nomenclature in that paragraph, and that the statement disputes the basic concept of "Black Loyalist", it seems that it should go in a paragraph near the end, where we usually put the opposing-viewpoint stuff. Laodah 02:21, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placement of discrepant data 

message: As noted in The Death of Major Peirson, 6 January 1781, Pompey, assuming he actually existed, was Peirson's personal servant, not a soldier. (He could have been both, of course, but notice that he's not wearing a the same uniform as the "other" soldiers, and that he's the only black man in the painting.) The incident depicted in the painting (which never happened; Peirson's death was much less dramatic) has Pompey grabbing a weapon and avenging his master's death. § This is not the first time I've seen Pompey misused to illustrate the Black Loyalists. The fact that there isn't a decent portrayal of an actual black soldier from the period is a good example of Historical Erasure, a subject which badly needs a Wikipedia page. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 03:26, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pompey 

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message: Somebody's going to nitpick my description of the BLs as "Americans". Cuz, you know, there were no "Americans" before the "United States of America." At the time, the word was used more broadly than that. Citation: "American, n. and adj." OED Online. Oxford University Press, December 2019. Web. 6 February 2020. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 20:17, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Americans" 

message: "Many ended up among London's Black Poor, with 4,000 resettled by the Sierra Leone Company to Freetown in Africa in 1787"
This is incorrect. The correct figure is 400 not 4,000. See wiki pages on history of Sierra Leone and related history pages.
 "About 400 blacks and 60 whites reached Sierra Leone on 15 May 1787"
and 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_the_Relief_of_the_Black_Poor  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.38.110 (talk) 16:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction needed: 400 not 4,000