Talk:The Age of Steel

message: What's the source for this title?  If it's nothing official, I'm not sure whether this page is warranted at this time.  As far as I know, we don't really have any way of distinguishing information about the first and second episodes of the two-part story, so for some time this is just going to be a duplicate of Rise of the Cybermen. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title confirmed? 

message: Is there any value in copying some of the notes from Rise of the Cybermen#Notes to this article?  We don't really know which episode of the story they apply to.  Should we just keep it all at Rise of the Cybermen until the episode airs, and then move whatever hasn't been covered to The Age of Steel, or should we go ahead and copy it here (as we seem to be doing with Army of Ghosts and Doomsday)?  Should we go for conciseness or thoroughness? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content from [[Rise of the Cybermen]]? 

message: "Jackie Tyler stars in this episode as herself in the parallel world and appears briefly at the end when The TARDIS lands in her living room in mordern day London. This is the first time in the series that has ever happened." - This is the first time that what has ever happened? That two different Jackies have been in the same episode? --Jawr256 18:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took it to mean the first time an "alternative time" and "real time" version of the same character have appeared in the same episode. (203.26.177.2 03:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's only the second time the series has ever featured a parallel universe! (And surely the first time "alternate" and "real" versions of the same character appear in the same episode was the previous week with Mickey and Ricky?) Daibhid C 10:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note #4 

message: The current plot needs to be converted from past to present tense. However, I think a whole new plot would be more appropriate as this one is, frankly, not very good --Jawr256 19:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, Khaosworks will redo all that hard work soon, so I wouldn't bother. In fact, it will perish under maximum deletion.--Keycard (talk) 19:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes some scenes ("Where's Gareth...") really ought to be added/expanded on. GracieLizzie 22:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: followed by "what the hell are you talking about"..
*so far over the course of 2 episodes, they've gone out of their way to avoid having the residents call this planet by name..
..who else thinks this planet has a different name? maybe one with an M in it? We already know they show up later in the season, anyone think that explosion that sent the TARDIS into this parallel dimension in the first place might be big enough to knock an entire planet into.. oh, i don't know, our own dimension, millions of years in the past, floating around the solar system for a while? .. --71.249.31.68 11:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What?--Keycard (talk) 11:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Mondas would have London, Geneva, Paris, New Germany etc. Besides, all the humans from our Earth are present. It might make some sense (Mondas looks like Earth because it is Earth), but the Cybermen would then be seen to have taken a major step back (losing the teardrops), and Russell T Davis et al have said that the show won't rely on the "past mythology". smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 11:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course if this isn't where they came from in the first place, then the teardrops are a nice coincidence--71.249.31.68 12:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, no, this is how it really happened. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 12:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't see the link without registering... and it's not possible to register. Any chance of a summary of what the link is talking about? (I'm guessing from context that it's gonna be somewhat tongue-in-cheek.) --DudeGalea 15:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It's a theory that's been mooted on rec.arts.drwho, but my thinking is that (as far as I could tell, my neice was talking during that bit) the episode glosses over the whole "Tenth Planet" thing, which wouldn't be the case if it was going to be relevent later. And yeah, for an independently designed race of Cybermen the teardrops are a bit of a coincidence. But then, so is the entire design. Maybe, as Charles Fort would say, you get Cybermen when it's Cyberman time...Daibhid C 20:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Yeah, it is all a "bit of a coincidence", but then again, so is a lot of stuff in para-Earth. The very existence of parallel Tylers, Mickey etc. are unlikely. What are the chances that the same sperm met the same egg during their conceptions? And that their parents' lives were similar enough to normal-Earth in order to have met in the first place? With these parallel-world stories (not just in Who) I like to think that there is some 'dramatic resonance' between the worlds causing these similarities. --DudeGalea 21:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ..starting from scratch, right here on '''earth'''...

message: tribute to the origional?--71.249.31.68 13:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  head lamps? 

message: Why is Lumic so afraid of being "upgraded"? PMA 18:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Same reason as everyone else. He was more afraid of dying, hence the whole plan, but he didn't wanted his own upgrade until absolutely necessary. And the fact "his" Cybermen were prepared to argue with him about it probably unnerved him a bit, as well. Daibhid C 20:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lumic  

message: Has anybody worked out which book Mrs. Moore would have got her name from -- and if there's a thematic link to the events here? The only Mrs. Moore in literary fiction I know of would be in A Passage to India... -- Smatthewman 19:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's assuming that we can rely on fiction in the para-Earth being the same as normal-Earth. --DudeGalea 20:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mrs. Moore's name? 

message: As a parallel world is shown, in which Rose does not exist, it is to be presumed that the Dalek invasion that is the equivalent of S1 episode Bad Wolf proceeds - unless there are knock on effects of the survival of the S1 episode Dalek, and the non-encounter with Jack Harkness - though this is probably better left to the fanfic writers.
One way of setting up Mickey's return - his equivalent in the parallel dimension is dead, and there is a "Mickey shaped gap" in the  original diversion.
There is some original research discussion to be held on the laws of physics and survival for characters swapping between parallel dimensions. (Direct swap - the Star Trek episode  Mirror, Mirror; encounters - in this Dr who episode; equivalent but not identical characters who can meet and work together - the Eternal Champion in Michael Moorcock's fiction.)
How soon would a "requests for original research" page have more entries on it than the articles in Wikipedia - and how many would be trivial or readily found by "five minutes searching"?
Is there likely to be more "falling through inter-dimensional holes" (including by those JH associated with) now there is only one Time Lord to manage them?
Jackiespeel 21:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as your last question goes apparently not. Counterintuitively (at least to me) the absence of the Time Lords has apparently strengthened the bounderies between universes, rather than weakened them. Daibhid C 10:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Developments in the parallel universe

message: There's a stock explosiony sound effect used when the Cyber-controller crashlands.  ANyone know what it is?  Morwen - Talk 21:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound effect 

message: First time I heard it, I thought 'she' said Sally Fielding, although it's admittedly difficult to make out even when replayed. Is the Sally Phelan name official or a guess? --86.27.60.124 19:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a guess, so far, but it's based on repeated listening. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It sounded like Phelan to me too. I think it may be a pun on "feeling", which is what destroyed the Cybermen. smurrayinchester(Talk) 20:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: But the same page mentions here as Sally Phelan later on, so... --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sally cyberman's name?? 

message: Someone should add a trivia bullet or two regarding the episode's numerous references to Pink Floyd's 1977 album, Animals. See eeggs.com. -69.117.110.86 11:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's absurd. There is more grasping at straws in the linked source than in the average barn.--SB | T 14:04, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pink Floyd references 

message: At least one place (the online Discontinuity Guide) seems to claim that the last shot of the night sky on parallel-Earth shows an Earthlike planet in orbit. The implication being that on this parallel Earth, Mondas never left orbit. However, it looks like the moon to me. Did the idea come from a commentary track or something? (DrZarkov 01:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the idea arose on the Outpost Gallifrey boards. As far as I know, it is unsupported by any remark from the production team. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  moon at end 

message: I've heard it said that a line was cut for being 'too horrific'- something about someone screaming out they were 'Only 11' or some similar age. Does anyone know if this is true, and if it is, would it be worth noting somewhere perhaps? Ayries 21:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that was the bride to be. I'm pretty sure one of the commentaries said originally that Cyberman would be revealed as a little boy but it was felt to be too dark so they went with the only slightly less chilling idea of a bride to be on the eve of her wedding.--HellCat86 17:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut Line? 

message: "Mr. Crane tries to stop John Lumic by attacking the life support system on his wheelchair. In Genesis of the Daleks (1975), the Fourth Doctor threatens Davros by temporarily switching off the life support system on his chair."
Is there anything to suggest that this is actually a continuity ref and not just a coincidence? Terrypin 15:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuity 

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