Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy/Archive 2

message: : I don't believe this user was blocked fairly. First, the obvious stuff: being a Nazi is not a sufficient criterion for an indefinite block. We don't block someone because of what they are, but what they do. Please, let's move past the unhelpful "Nazis are incapable of NPOV" and "Nazi pigs die" and "permablock the bastards for ever" stuff. 
: Initially, the reason given that Amalekite was blocked was that he was trolling and seeking to disrupt Wikipedia; the blocking admin gave this reason: "neo-nazi Troll soliciting other trolls off of Stormfront". However, the admin did not provide any evidence. I've looked, but I have not seen evidence that he incited disruption of Wikipedia before he was blocked, nor do his Wikipedia contributions contain anything that merit an indefinite ban. In his first StormFront post about Wikipedia, he exhorted others to follow NPOV, avoid insults and personal attacks, and otherwise follow Wikipedia rules. From the reason given, it would seem that the initial block was simple anti-Nazism.
: More recently, the reasoning behind the block has been focused on a list of the "elders" of a hypothetical Wikipedia "Zionist cabal", posted by Amalekite on StormFront. He insulted them a little ("ruthless", "vicious" and "stupid"), but he did not call them Jews (they could either be Jews or "liberal-gentile useful idiots"), nor did he call for them to be attacked or persecuted in any fashion, or at least, not that I can see. It's quite reasonable to argue that he was just showing people evidence for what he believed to be a cabal that was running Wikipedia, so that they would go and correct what they saw as anti-Nazi bias. I'm sorry, but to say that this is a call for violence is just wishful thinking.
: My personal view is that people's intense feelings about Nazis have coloured their judgment here, and that we're perpetuating a block that has no basis. Frustratingly, this gives weight to Amalekite's otherwise incoherent witterings about anti-Nazi cabalism. — Matt Crypto 08:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ...or it could just be that Nazism is such an dangerous, offensive, stupid, destructive, vile, unintelligent position to hold that it is not a cabal who opposes Nazi, but it is in fact opposed by almost every sane, intelligent and non-racist person who contributes to Wikipedia. I have noticed from my perusal of the StormFront website that the members are outraged when they are forced from a discussion because of their views, and then they focus their outrage on a percieved "cabal" of Jews and their supporters. Yet, I am living proof that this is not the case. I am neither a Jew supporter nor a Jew detractor. I have heard of Jews doing some terrible things in Israel, but I have also heard of terrible things that happened to the Jews by others. I don't think that as a religion/race they are perfect, but on the other hand I don't think they are the scum of the earth either. I submit to the wider community that Nazis are forced from discussions because they contribute nothing to most debates, merely muddying the waters and causing a lot of hatred and consternation among others. I believe that Nazis don't get listened to because their views are not, in fact, worth anything. - Ta bu shi da yu 01:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So why are you listening? Etikelama 12:52, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cont'd.2 

message: The block against the above user was valid. A "ban" however was not, as it was imposed only by a sysop action, based on reasons which are debatable. An Arbcom review should be normal procedure, and could either transform the block to a ban, or overturn the block. Of course Im debating the issue in "unsuitable ways" merely for saying the above. -St|eve 22:34, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blocks vs. Bans 

message: Has anyone read the Stomrfront forum thread?  The biggest danger from those guys is that they'll bore you to death.  Rich Farmbrough 15:57, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danger?