Talk:India/Ayyavazhi

message: You mention this site in the previous section.  However, this site also states:
:"Ayya kept the continuity of Sanathana Dharma"
Yet Sanatana Dharma is what "Hindus" identify as their religion.  --BostonMA talk 22:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  nairs.org 

message: Vaikunt.org seems to be a counterexample.  --BostonMA talk 22:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already explined the reason for the inaccuracy of this and the other sites including the newsletter in Nairs.org - Paul 10:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "other Hindus can't accept the revolutionized Hindu religion as per Akilam" 

message: Also one thing i like to say once again. The ayyavazhi followers untouched the 'Temple Entry Agitation', which was participated by all Hindus (other than caste Hindus)  despite the sect differences.(I was ready to cite it with university papers)  While the so called Vaishnavism, Saivism all participate by Ayyavazhi's remain untouched. This show the basic social varriation of Ayyavazhi from Hinduism, even from the mid-ninteenth century, the time at which the teachings of Akilam is not so focused in Ayyavazhi society - Paul 07:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Brahmos, like Ayyavazhis, also do not have murti worship.  So, during Temple Entry Agitation, they also did not leave their own places of worship to enter temples with murthis.  --BostonMA talk 13:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But if I read correctly, the brahmos don't belive in scriptures,  holy places, worship centers etc... So there in no need for them to enetr the temple. But Ayyavazhi beleives in All these. So they need worship centers. But Ayyavazhi don't believe in Hindu ideas and so they made seperate worship centers etc.. of their own. - Paul 10:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temple Entry Movement 

message: After citing with university papers i added Ayyavazhi see here and then without discussion it was reverted after eleven days without discussion by user Fowler&Fowler see here by using the word 'trolling' in edit summary, though it was cited with University papers and discussed. - Paul 16:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ayyavazhi removed

message: I've cited that Ayyavazhi is a religion , and also it's notability by presenting the large presence of the religion across the country with university papers. Since no figures are mentioned it is not a problem that 'as what Ayyavazhi is considered by Indian govt.
I had waited for more than 96 hrs for further discussions and till untouched the article. So as usual, please don't revert the edits before a presenting a concrete proof against the valid sources cited. All are university papers. 
Once again I am repeating 
* Ayyavazhi is a seperate religion 
* It contains more than 8000 worship centers across the country.
Those are cited with university papers. Universities are the most valid, third-party sources which are considered more valid in WP.  
* Apart from these, Three districts declared holiday for it's festival proves the presence of large mass. Hence Ayyavazhi is definitely notable than Jews and Zorastrians who are less in number than Ayyavazhi's. Iam adding Ayyavazhi. - Paul 18:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Valid Third-party citations

message: *For the Autonomous religious Phenomenon: G.Patrick (2003), Religion and Subaltern Agency, Department of Christian Studies, University of Madras, Sub heading:The Religious Phenomenon of Ayya Vali, Page 120-121. 
*For Thousands of Nizhal Thangals across South India: Dr.R.Ponnu (2000), Sri Vaikunda Swamigal and The Struggle for Socal Equality in South India, Ram Publishers, School of Historical Studies, Madurai Kamaraj University, Page 100-101. 
*For 8000 Worship centers: Tha.Krishna Nathan, (2002) Ayyaa vaikundarin vaazvum sinthanaiyum (Tamil), Chapter - 4, page 83. (This citation was included here from Tamil wikipedia article)
*For the presence of Ayyavazhi worship centres across India, :Dr.C.Poulose(2002), Advaita Philosophy of Brahmasri Chattampi Swamikal, Sree Sankaracharya University of Sanskrit, Page 24. 
- Paul 19:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations