Talk:Sailor Saturn/Archive 1

message: *Strong Agree on all three. With the exception of Mistress 9 (which is barely past stub quality) they're all stubs. Equipment used by a single character and alter egos do not deserve their own pages. Shingen 21:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Silence Glaive article had no information in it that wasn't here already. It now redirects. I'm also working on a Princesses page, possibly on its own or possibly as part of the Silver Millennium article, which will take care of that problem for each of the senshi profiles. --Masamage 19:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Merges 

message: Wait, should her height even be listed in the first place if it's not "official"? WhisperToMe 03:51, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Height

message: I made a few copy-edits here and there, most notably I reworded an attack description for clarity.
Death Reborn Revolution - Sailor Saturn used this attack against Pharaoh 90. Sometimes erroneously believed to be the same thing as the Silence. Death Reborn Revolution is also believed to be the same power that caused her rebirth as a child, and Sailor Moon Super, though tried to help her and did recover Sailor Saturn's reborn body, had no part in the destruction of Pharoah 90.
Changed to:
Death Reborn Revolution - Sometimes erroneously believed to be the same thing as The Silence, Sailor Saturn used this power to single-handedly destroy Pharaoh 90. (Super Sailor Moon, while present during the battle, had no part in the destruction of Pharaoh 90.) Death Reborn Revolution is also believed to be the same power that caused her rebirth as a child. --Jade Keira 04:40, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few edits. 

message: Since I cannot make any real changes to ANY of these pages without being challenged by people who have no proof and yet ridicule everything I say and change, I am adding that Hotaru was in fact a cyborg in the Manga originally. The accident that caused her to become Mistress 9 in the Anime actually caused her to be a Cyborg in the Manga as her father, Professor Tomoe, rebuilt her. (CureWhite 04:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hotaru is a Cyborg in the Manga, at least intially 

message: Please discuss here whether to include foreign names when they do not match the english name. Thanks. -- ReyBrujo 03:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign names really needed? 

message: Please discuss the proposed merging of these articles at Talk:Mistress 9. --Masamage 20:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistress 9 

message: Just so you all know, I've made a new article at Princesses (Sailor Moon). The merge notices are gone now, because that group of stubs has been cleared up. Now that it's done, please feel free to edit and cite to your heart's content! ^_^ -Masamage 20:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See discussion on the Talk:Princesses (Sailor Moon) page. --Masamage 05:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princesses Article 

message: This article is being edited for consistency with the Ami Mizuno, Rei Hino, Makoto Kino, Minako Aino, Haruka Tenoh, Michiru Kaioh, and Setsuna Meioh articles, as part of the new WikiProject, and as discussed in Talk:Sailor Moon. Stay tuned! :) --Masamage 20:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mostly done! Like the other outer senshi, it does need some rewriting, though happily not much. Whoever wrote this before was pretty good. I won't be online tomorrow, but I'll give it a shot in Notepad or something and work it in the day after. Thanks, everyone~ --Masamage 01:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency 

message: One should be erased. --Hitsuji Kinno 17:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Double Spoiler tagging 

message: Unlike the Princess and her court, the Outer Senshi were reborn on earth as adults, with the knowledge of Sailor Saturn and the terrible powers that she had, as well as the eventual new Moon Kingdom known as Crystal Tokyo.
Umm...  How is it possible to be reborn as an adult?  Just because their parents weren't mentioned, it doesn't  mean they never had any.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point; reborn is probably the wrong word. I'm pretty sure this is true in the manga, but off the top of my I can't remember the source. Anyone else have it? If not I can look around.  --Masamage 16:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Luna said they reincarnated, I think Volume 9? She said that Neptune and Uranus weren't supposed to have been reincarnated at all. (reincarnate is more technical, because there in incarnation and reincarnation...). However it never mentioned that they came back as adults--not once. Perhaps it *could* be argued for Setsuna, but that's under heavy dispute at the moment. Besides, Hotaru came back as a child and was raised as a child. (She's an outer too) It's just that they seem to have all be reincarnated and born in the proper order. Quite a large feat for one crystal... The manga, however, does mention that the final destruction came from Sailor Saturn. (I think it's volume 10). Anyhow, I don't think there is proof either way Haruka and Michiru lack parents. They do have benefactors. --Hitsuji Kinno 07:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In "Other forms" section 

message: All other manga images in the stats has a domestic form to them, thus I propose that the current image be changed to this one: http://mangastyle.net/book3/3-05.jpg --Hitsuji Kinno 04:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: The profile section looked horrid--there was general info mixed up with manga and anime. It was very hard to read and was confusing as to what constituted which version. So I rewrote it, added some info, etc. Some of the info can be moved to variations as needed. I did cut one line, because I didn't know how to integrate it: The anime is slightly more vague in its allusions, largely due to the darker aspects of Hotaru's personality being affected by an evil entity. If someone can figure that one out, go ahead, I don't really mind. I just wanted to organize it. I'll be adding references later since this page needs several, for example, Keiko Tomoe, Souichi Tomoe, the age of Hotaru and the stat backing. So be patient about that since I have to filter through the other profiles and do the same (It's rather time consuming). --Hitsuji Kinno 08:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing and clean up. 

message: Just been looking through, and I noticed that Hotaru no longer has some information I personally can verify, at least one of her profile headings is blank, and the majority of the recent information is from Hitsuji Kinno, who has pretty much written most of the current article on his own...
While I appreciate his work on the article, We all worked on it at some time, and I'd like for someone to put back in the verifiable information that Hitsuji mistakenly removed in his purge, and to double check the rest, so that it becomes a Wikipedia article, and not Hitsuji's Hotaru Tomoe page... --Sheng.Long 200X 00:26, 3 November 2006 (UK Time)
:She has been in very good communication with WikiProject Sailor Moon, and the need for massive edits to this article reflects consensus. If you have an issue, please address the exact items you think should be in the article, rather than making it personal. --Masamage 00:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only line I cut out I noted. Most of the work I did was moving around info and rewording on this particular article. Most of the information was not cut, merely moved, or rephrased to reflect a more even keel (this is a Hotaru Tomoe article, not a Hotaru Tomoe Anime article). So if you think information was cut, please be specific on what was cut--because I added a lot of info and separated manga and anime in the edits. The main issue I had with the previous draft was that it 1. did not cite its sources 2. did not separate manga and anime in a clear fashion. I try to get clearance for controversial things and make notes of changes in the talk. I have no problem with other people editing on top of me, as long as they cite sources and keep the versions separate in the process. I did try to keep most of the info though. If you look some of it was moved. As for the Stats, the stats had to be revised according to standards which were previously agreed upon. Unless you can cite a source for adding them back in, generally you shouldn't. So I invite you to tell what as cut and how you dispute them instead of being vague--don't take this as a challenge or a personal vendetta, just curiosity on how to improve the article. --Hitsuji Kinno 05:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitsuji Kinno's Overedit