Talk:Need for Speed: High Stakes

message: This article needs to be completely re-written.  No links, no mention of any add-ons and some of the stuff isn't true.  I'll try do it when I get a chance.  --Bears54 04:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: It might be a good idea to add in a real section about the modding community for this game...
If no one wants to write it I will because I am a good writer and this is my favorite video game of all time! :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.78.252 (talk) 02:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modding Scene Rewrite 

message: There's little information within the article that explains that this game is basically a tweaked version of NFS: Hot Pursuit. All of the tracks and most of the cars that appeared previously are here as well. Kschang77 (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment: This is basically "Hot Pursuit 1.5" 

message: Now that there's an actual gameplay section describing the different game modes, these recent additions don't really have a place in the article; They're not in like with WP:VG/GL's section naming guidelines, i.e sticking to using sections like "Plot, "Gameplay", "Reception" etc. That is to say the "notable changes" section sticks out like a sore thumb, but a bigger problem is that there's no indication as to how or why any of this is notable. Again, as an uninitiated reader, I cannot glance anything useful from it. It's also written in the wrong tense -- It's using past tense, but this is discouraged unless a game has become unavailable, for example an MMO that has since shut down. It's also putting undue weight on a slew of small details. This makes sense within the context of the review, but ratching up every one of them from the article on an encyclopedic article does not really make sense. The biggest value is the gamespot article that is cited, but I feel this would be put to better use in a more generalized way as part of the Reception section as opposed to having all its contents paraphrased in a separate, non-standard category. Eik Corell (talk) 17:54, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This lands us back at WP:V then - We're basing an entire category of the article on one source, the Gamespot article, and the amount of info we're deriving from it cosntitutes indiscriminate info in my opinion -- The article now has a proper gameplay section, so all these comparatives are not useful anymore. As you said, the article used to be more or less "It is based on Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit", but this is no longer the case, so this list of comparatives is even less useful now. Though articles can of course contain comparative info, they're supposed to do so in a concise, limited manner and where possible incorporate relevant details concisely into the gameplay section. This is doing none of these; subordinating this info to the development section only partially addresses the naming problem because the development section is just being used as a placeholder section for this arguably problematic info. And we're still running afoul of other problems: Being entirely based on one source is the biggest one, indiscriminately dumping all the points made into the article. Thinking about this specific point, it seems like we're straying out of the more general nature the IINFO guideline I mentioned and into its more relevant video game version: WP:GAMECRUFT. As I hinted at, while we rely on sources, we shouldn't just parrot what the sources say as a lot of what they mention is a lot different than what Wikipedia's guidelines permit. Other than that, both the source and articles not actually saying how or why these things are notable is another problem. Lastly, as said, there is enough info in the gameplay section now to not have to rely on comparatives anymore, so all of the above could even be considered irrelevant. The best thing to do in my opinion would be to rewrite this info to general information. Instead of saying that the game now features X compared to Y of the last game, simply state that it features X. This is the way to make these additions relevant for the average reader, and would solve most of the problems I think. Eik Corell (talk) 12:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Gameplay section