Talk:Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg)

message: Why isn't Napoleon mentioned here at all? I was going to add something about Lujzijana, but to no avail. Admiral Norton (talk) 15:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Napoleon 

message: It would be nice if we had a detailed map of the Kingdom of Croatia around the 1850s... I'll se what I can do. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 13:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 10:03, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: The map in the infobox should ideally be a political map with the Kingdom of Croatia highlighted.
*The military frontier was NOT, repeat: NOT a part of the Kingdom of Croatia. To highlight it in any way that hints to such a status is unnecessarily confusing and deliberately misleading. That would be a typical nationalist reduction in quality. It should be the same color (though probably a slightly different shade) as the rest of the Austrian Empire.
*Ditto for the Kingdom of Dalmatia. It should be slightly distinct so the reader knows where it is, but to highlight it in a way so as to suggest its a part of the Kingdom of Croatia is unnecessarily confusing and deliberately misleading. It should be the same color (though probably a slightly different shade) as the rest of the Austrian Empire.
In short, this map of mine is more than satisfactory, do not alter it to somehow to highlight lands that were NOT a part of the Kingdom of Croatia - as being part of the Kingdom of Croatia. For once, lets remove fantasies from Croatian history. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crazy colors 

message: The article Lands of the Hungarian Crown says the following:
After 1526 Hungary disintegrated into three parts. From the 16th century, Hungary proper, Croatia and Transylvania were the three regna of the Crown. These lands had some links with each other but became more and more autonomous during the centuries.
In the 18th century, the Lands of the Hungarian Crown consisted of the Kingdoms of Hungary, Croatia and Slavonia with the city of Fiume, the Grand Principality of Transylvania, the Croatian-Slavonian, and the Serbian-Hungarian military frontiers.''
On the other side, this article says that Croatia was "in Personal union with Kingdom of Hungary". Isn't this a contradiction? What do Croatian editors think about this? 123Steller (talk) 08:02, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not contradicting. Both Croatia and Transylvania were in fact legally separate entities from Hungary proper but were part of the Lands of St.Stephen's Crown or the so-called Archiregnum Hungariae. In essence they were in dynastic or personal union with Hungary. What happened in 1526 and especially in period afterwards (namely with Transylvania) was that it sought greater indepedence and were at times de facto indepdendant and ultimately resulted in the so-called Eastern Hungarian Kingdom. Croatia however exercised separate status from 12th century already and was always separate legally from Hungary proper and the various noble families like Subic (later branch known as Zrinski) and Frankopan were basically independent magnates in the function of Ban's (Viceroys) of Croatia. Think of the Lands of St.Stephen's Crown something as similar to how the UK functions today. In essence it was a union of separate countries from a legal point of view. Shokatz (talk) 19:40, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Croatia a Land of the Hungarian Crown? 

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message: Where and who signed personal union between Croatian kingdom And Habsburg Monarchy (Austria)? 
If it was signed what what is the reason for "Peasant uprising of 1573" ?
Something does not fit here  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goxy63 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Who said such was signed? Hungary and Croatia was in personal union, the fact that the Hungarian Crown was held by the Habsburg House did not change this, even if directly Hasburgs ruled Croatia, they could do it just and only because of the Hugarian Crown.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:36, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal union 

message: It seems that present title "Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg)" is somewhat ambiguous since this article covers only the period up to the political settlements of 1867-1868, while Croatia remained under Habsburg rule up to 1918, and therefore the same dynastic designation can also be applied to the second period, covered by article Kingdom of Croatia and Slavonia. Redirects like Habsburg Croatia or Habsburg Kingdom of Croatia, and also Croatia in the Habsburg Empire, are all pointing to this article, while their meaning is actually wider, since it also covers the second period, up to 1918. Maybe we should consider the possibility of renaming this article to some unambiguous title, like "Kingdom of Croatia (1526-1867)" and then use current redirect Habsburg Croatia to create a disambiguation pointing to both articles that are covering the Habsburg period of Croatian history: "Kingdom of Croatia (1526-1867)" and Kingdom of Croatia and Slavonia. Not to mention that there is also an older period of Habsbourg dynastic rule in Croatia, from 1437 to 1457, and therefore Habsburg Croatia is a very good candidate for a disambiguation with three distinctive subjects. Sorabino (talk) 12:25, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The renaming (Kingdom of Croatia (1526-1867)) I support, with an addition that we should be careful about "Habsburg rule", ot at least properly define it. Croatia was part of the Lands of the Hungraian Crown and the fact that Habsburgs acquired the Hungarian Crown did not change this, even if some time they ruled directly Croatia. After 1878/68 until 1918, by Croatian-Hungarian Settlement affairs again had been run directly between Hungary and Croatia, as per Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen, even if nominally Austria-Hungary had a king from the Habsburg house, the Monarchy was an entity composed of the two separate states, Austria and Hungary, and the affairs of Croatia were regarded as internal affairs of the Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:43, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That is true, Croatia was joined with Hungary from 1102 to 1918, as an autonomous crown land, under the Hungarian king, who was also the king of Croatia. Sorabino (talk) 23:42, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Practically, a personal union between two states having a common King.(KIENGIR (talk) 09:54, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Habsburg 

message: The period of 1848-1867 is added in a separate article since it was a separate era and entity proclaimed by the Sabor which lasted until 1867. It had a new form of government, institutions and even symbols.
dr.sc. Ban kavalir (talk) 10:20, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: 1848 period in separate article