Talk:Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles

message: there was a massive edit earlier with "new information".  there was no source given, and it sounds like speculation/vandalism.  even if it is true, it'll need sources, rephrasing and spelling & editing. Djchallis 22:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i thank the users who tidied up the gameplay section, but we still have no sources for it, and it looks like pure speculation.  we should either find a source to back it up or take it out. Djchallis 09:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ive deleted the gameplay section, as i believe it to be simply speculation.  i am quite new here, so if anybody with more experience than me can think of a good reason to put it back, you can just undo the edit, although the section would still need a source and some serious rephrasing and editing to be of an encyclopedic standard. Djchallis 22:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New information? 

message: On the List of Wii games this game is listed as 'Resident Evil: Termination'. If there is sufficient evidece of this being it's real name this page should be moved. --Thaddius 18:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's named The Umbrella Chronicles now. C. Pineda 19:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the name for sure is Chronicles.--Mmmundo 03:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Termination

message: I move that this entire article just be eradicated. Since nearly every sentence is an unsourced statement, iffy declaration, or obvious fanon, this "article" really has no facts to constitute its existance. Anyone agree? -Power Slave 04:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. It was officially announced by Capcom and it looks like screenshots are starting to appear. Blork 18:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: The Story and Gameplay section better see some sources soon or I'll have to delete all unverified claims. 199.126.137.209 00:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That and User:199.126.137.209 will cry. Just wait amonth or so, new developments will come up, I promise. --Thaddius 15:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: The Nintendo announcement video contains around 2 seconds of the remake mansion in first person flash video- near the end Atirage 12:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First person?

message: In the latest issue of Nintendo Official Magazine (uk), they detail the games they are looking forward to in 2007. For RE:UC there was a picture of the mansion with japanese writing pointing to certain points.
Is this a genuine image? Should I put it on the article as the first confirmed screen. I'll do it unless anyone says otherwise. 86.143.95.93 20:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New image?

message: The statement about the game being composed of two parts and one being set between the events of CODE: Veronica and Resident Evil 4 is simply wrong. The only ever Famitsu article that was released can be seen here (Japanese version) and here (Chinese version. That article doesn't contain specific details on the game. It simply says that it's an exclusive title for the Nintendo Wii. The only article that can be considered a reliable source is from the Chinese magazine Game Next. It confirms that the game will be split up into several chapters from the games and that it will fill in plot holes and shed more light on Umbrella's activities. This is seconded by Paul Gale, a journalist from 1UP, who confirmed this to me via a message.
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles is well underway for Wii and you should hear more about it on April 12th. As for the storyline of the game, you will be revisting parts of Resident Evils 1-4, learning of some previous secrets, and getting a better grasp as what is Umbrella's involvement in the whole RE universe. I don't know how much will be at Capcom's Gamers Day, but you should learn some more about the story and see new footage.
He can be considered a reliable source, too, because he knew Devil May Cry 4 will be released on Xbox360 one day before the official press release from Capcom (which was on March 20th).
The rumour about the story taking place between CODE: Veronica and Resident Evil 4 originated from the Japanese gaming site Quiter (translation) and is purely speculative. That article just says that the game will be canon and thus part of the main series. Soon everyone else adopted the speculation as fact. Even Matt Cassamasina from IGN, altough he explicitly stated that he didn't get any information from Capcom.
Capcom's American branch has remained reluctant to speak about the game, since details generally come from Japan first or, alternatively, are announced worldwide at official events, such as the company's forthcoming Gamers Day. We've got our fingers crossed for more.
I will remove any unverified claims till more information is released on Capcom Gamer's Day.
:Thanks for looking through the article and removing the fancruft. Remember that Wikipedia does not consider forums and blogs as Reliable Sources according to their Reliable Sources policies. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   16:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Details & Plot

message: Where is the evidence that they will be in the game? Has a new video been released? Please put the link I want to see!
:Come to think of it, I do not know of such a link. Unless it was that magazine scan.--  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   04:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some new renders have been leaked by the german site Resident Evil Virus and they show a new render of HUNK and a mysterious Tyrant in white outfit, here are the link to them: http://www.resident-evil-virus.de/newsfolder/hunkgetagtt.jpg & http://www.resident-evil-virus.de/newsfolder/ucenemygetaggt.jpg
Respecting Ada, she appears briefly in the new trailer (Capcom's Gamers Day, October 2007) --  CrushNush 20:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ada and HUNK? 

message: Go to this link to copy the cover and put it on the main page instead of the logo. I don't know how to upload pictures so someone else do it!
http://shop.capcom.com/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayPage&Env=BASE&Locale=en_US&SiteID=capcomus&id=ProductDetailsPage&productID=71188000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.218.159.208 (talk • contribs) 
Thats not the official cover. Many stores and websites simply put the logo on a picture of a blank box and use it as a filler. Including the official sites themselves. It'd be no different then what the article has now. Dengarde 04:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it seems more like a beta cover. Japan's and the USA's Biohazard cover arts usually have characters in them. It could be, however, that the PAL version boxes will closely resemble that one. Prime Blue 07:10, 28 June 2007 (GMT)
Yesterday I read this thread on capcom's BBS: http://ww2.capcom.com/BBS/showthread.php?t=19596. After corroboration from the Capcom employed site Administrators, it is safe to assume we have the official cover art: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1068/1439414137_22b89e9f05_o.jpg I'll upload and edit it now. 
Gah uploaded reduced version... let me go about fixing thatWildodeelf 20:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: On wiki, it's never safe to assume anything. I've seen various drafts of the image, with no reliable source stating that this would the used edition.  Regardless, the image in question from flickr is "all rights reserved". We can ONLY use images sourced from flickr that have a Creative Commons license.  This does not.  We'll have to wait until Capcom release it properly, before it can be used. Parjay ► Talk  21:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you don't think that the administrators employed by Capcom, including the owner of that flickr account aren't a source reliable enough for Wiki I'll bow to your wikixperiance and keep the logo as the game's image. I'm not terribly impassioned about the boxart, I just perceived the source sufficient, apparently in error. Wildodeelf 12:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As mentioned, reliable or not, it can't be used as it is a non-Creative Licensed image; we'll have to wait until it's revealed/released officially.  And no, I don't consider the admin of a forum a reliable source. Parjay ► Talk  12:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd say yes. It seems to be the official Capcom forums, and an admin approved it (Looking at other posts in the thread) but I'm not sure it would be entirely concrete evidence. Dengarde ► Complaints  14:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been added now we have a source at gamespot (at the usa only site so far). Parjay ► Talk  23:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Cover 

message: Hey folks, rather than just reverting back and forth, let's come to consensus on whether Carlos Oliveira should be listed as a confirmed character or not, and move forward. If the edit warring continues, I will have to request that the article be protected. -- MisterHand 16:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Other than the fact that 75.105.128.57 has only removed Carlos' name twice (over two days), I do not see any signs of an edit war. I believe his character's role in UC was confirmed in a Nintendo Power article. Unless someone has a source from Capcom or Nintendo that supersedes the NP article (See WP:RS), I do not think Carlos' name should be removed. --►ShadowJester07  17:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, there is no war.  Also, you can hear Carlos talking to Jill in her RE3 section of the latest trailer. Parjay 17:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carlos Oliveira edit war 

message: I have given the proper sources 2 times, citing the direct source the second time (Famitsu magazine). When I finally give the proper source (a.k.a mag) it's deleted becasue "not everyone can read Japanese"... numbers in every language are the same and in the top of the second scan it clearly said 11/15. And since this is a japanese mag, the editors put the date for their own territory. So please don't delete it once again, thanx. CrushNush 21:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I'm removing it again.  Firstly, check whether we can use tinypic as an image host.  Will the image still be up tomorrow?  Next week? Next month? Secondly, you are guessing.  That's no good, we need a reliable source that states that is the Japanese release date.  Yes it's a Japanese magazine, but they also publish release dates for other territories.  Also take into account that RE games historically tend to be released in the USA before Japan. Parjay ► Talk  22:13, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Exactly. CrushNush, I'm getting sick of  repeating the same reasons just to have you add the information back anyway.  Please get a reliable source for the information.  I've just check the usual reliable sites and not one has reported any information on this release date yet. Again, cite a reliable source which clearly states what territory the game release date is for THEN add it back up.  IF you add it back again without a source despite all the reasons you've gotten beforehand, I'm going to report it as vandalism. Parjay ► Talk  15:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it help to get an editor who can read Japanese to tell us exactly what it says? Famitsu is, after all, a reliable source, as far as I know, and non-English sources are permitted here when no English equivalent yet exists. Grandmasterka 17:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, as that editor would not be a reliable source.  What if he is mistaken etc.  Yes, Famitsu is of course a reliable source, and non-English sources are permitted, but the problem we have here is stating what the source reads; we can't.  At the moment, we have no reliable source stating whether the date given is the Japanese release (probable), or another territory.  I also find it strange that five days have passed and not one of the usual reliable source gaming sites have picked it up. Parjay ► Talk  17:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The editor doesn't have to be a reliable source... If there's any doubt about their interpretation of a reliable source, you can ask someone else. We do have a Good Article that uses almost all foreign-language references. But your point about other gaming sites is valid. I still think it couldn't hurt to ask, and I might do so in the next couple days... Grandmasterka 17:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still won't make a difference, as that'd be original research, no?  Sure it would work for us, but what when a reader or another editor comes along, reads the information and find it not to be cited properly?  Back to square one.  I believe it should only be added when we can find a good citation of the translated information.  Again, considering that zero sites have one is troublesome.  Parjay ► Talk  17:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't be original research, because anyone can verify it (you just have to know how to read Japanese.) If it were, then we couldn't use anything other than English. But I guess it's not that big a deal, and I'm done here for now. If anyone still cares, User:Nihonjoe is the one editor I know who's reasonably proficient in Japanese. Also, possibly User:Calton. Grandmasterka 17:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure.  If only people fluent in Japanese reading can confirm the source, then obviously not everyone can verify it.  This is the English wiki after all. I don't think for wiki readers we should be taking the stance of: "You can't read the source? Tough, you'll have to believe me". Parjay ► Talk  17:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Well it appears as though on the right track.  An editor translation is undesired going by : Because this is the English Wikipedia, English-language sources should be given whenever possible, and should always be used in preference to other language sources of equal calibre. However, do give references in other languages where appropriate. If quoting from a different language source, an English translation should be given with the original-language quote beside it. and In principle, readers should have the opportunity to verify for themselves what the original material actually said, that it was published by a credible source, and that it was translated correctly.  We still do not have a translation to cite with verifiability.  Parjay ► Talk  18:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Release date

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message: According to Famistu, the new character's name is Colonel Sergei Vladimir. He is an executive of Umbrella Inc. and started Umbrella's special forces unit U.B.C.S. According to scans of the article, he and Wesker have a showdown at Umbrella's stronghold (the last part of the game.) As you can tell from his name, he is Russian and began to work for Umbrella when Russia collapsed. He is always referred to as "Colonel."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.130.57.149 (talk) 00:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Character 

message: I added info about the last level of the game. Unfortunately, I do not know how to cite sources! If someone could help me do that, it would be a big help. Also, I added that The RE3 portion of the game will have areas taken form the RE:Outbreak series. This can clearly can be seen in the trailer included wiht Resident Evil 4:Wii Edition. It shows "In front of Apple Inn". Plz dont delete these things!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.37.88 (talk) 20:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, nothing personal, but I'm certain that it falls under original research. Unless you can get someone else's support, I'm removing it. HeroOfVirtue, 22 September 2007  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.124.138.64 (talk) 01:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Details of the final level and the Resident Evil 3 section of the game. 

message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5yVZkEtDxM  
watch this video, it is an interivew with the directors of REUC. They confirm that RE2 will be playable!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.36.159 (talk) 19:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resident Evil 2 confirmation (see below) 

message: Fixed some grammatical mistakes, and spelling on the level chart. No big deal. Higgy531 21:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor Changes

message: I'm sorry if this has been discussed before. This is the first time that I have submitted anything to a discussion page. Anyway, I have seen a couple of sources stating that Leon S. Kennedy and Claire Redfield would be playable characters in The Umbrella Chronicles (like the Nintendo Power article in Issue 217). Could somebody please find a reliable source that either confirms or denies this absolutely and post it to the article?? Thanks. 71.237.226.3 05:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first one can't be used, seeing as it's just a blog from a random gaming site. As for Nintendo Power, If you could provide a scan, that would be perfect. I'll try and so if I can find it myself later today though, trusting it's the most current issue. Dengarde ► Complaints  20:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Does anybody have the issue that we are talking about?? If so, then please send us a scan of page 35 (I'd do it myself, but I don't know how). 71.237.226.3 21:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have to beat yourself up over it, it's being released tomorrow anyways. We'll probably know then. Dengarde ► Complaints  23:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are definently right :). This whole topic was more of a personal curiosity then anything else (Leon is my favorite RE character). Anyway, tomorrow it is then. All shall be revealed. 71.237.226.3 23:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leon and Claire (see below) 

message: It's just cluttering the article up in my view. This article should be for the video game only, not other things. RobJ1981 18:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Book information probably should be moved

message: I think an article about the weapons of the game should be added. i dont have they game yet though, so i cant help.
Higgy531 (talk) 15:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No it shouldn't. Wikipedia is not a game guide Dengarde ► Complaints  18:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Resident Evil Wikia would accept it.OsirisV (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A Weapons Section Should Be Added

message: HELP ME! Higgy531 (talk) 19:35, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: CRAP! I accidentaly messed up the whole page while adding information!

message: What this unknown chapter with rebecca? what happened? what made them think there is another chapter?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.58.221 (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown Chapter 

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message: The Japanese title of the game is officially romanized as The Umbrella Chronicles in all publications and materials (except for one instance in the official Japanese site's scenario corner), the soundtrack and trailers for example, so I guess we should have it as Biohazard: The Umbrella Chronicles.
The absence of the article "The" in the Japanese Katakana title is merely a linguistic issue: The Japanese normally transliterate the "The" as サ ("sa"), but as "Umbrella" begins with a vowel, the "The" is pronounced as "thee", for which they don't have a traditional Katakana. Prime Blue (talk) 18:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Romanized Japanese title

message: ===Beginnings===
Wesker didn't "fail" from his own view-point. Sergei just didn't know of his betrayal at that time, thus calling it a failure - while in reality, Wesker didn't even attempt to claim the management training facility back.
===Nightmare===
Rebecca and Richard got out of the library and moved to the corridor in the second floor after the fight in the library - or the fight didn't even take place in the library. So I used a slightly different wording.
===Rebirth===
In The Umbrella Chronicles, Red Queen is always mentioned without the article (whereas in the movie, she's always "the Red Queen").
===Death's Door===
The grapple-gun was in the same room, so Wesker didn't tell Ada where to retrieve it.
===Dark Legacy===
It's never been explicitly stated that it was Wesker who provided the information on Umbrella's involvement in Raccoon's destruction, though it's strongly implied that he's the person who got Spencer involved in the events. Prime Blue (talk) 18:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Overhaul

message: It's never been explicitly stated that it was Wesker who provided the information on Umbrella's involvement in Raccoon's destruction, though it's strongly implied that he's the person who got Spencer involved in the events. Prime Blue (talk) 18:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dark Legacy

message: Is it notable to note that the game takes many ideas from the movies, such as Red and White Queen and the laser room?Mavrickindigo (talk) 01:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie References? 

message: Since Tie-ins based on Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles is so short, I think it would be better presented in this article, under a section titled "Merchandise", or something similar. Pagrashtak 15:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The paragraphs detailing that merchandising were deleted from the article by RobJ1981. I agree with him that there should be a separate article for them. I'm writing a more extensive summary of the materials right now, so the article will be extended soon. Prime Blue (talk) 16:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If something brief can be put into the article, I'm all for it. But a massive section (like what was on the article in the past), isn't helpful. It's just clutter that keeps growing. Why exactly should a video game article list every book, soundtrack and any other material related to it?  Last time I checked, there is seperate articles for video game soundtracks (when notable), book adapations and so on. Let's not jam every related item into one article. RobJ1981 (talk) 11:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I looked in the history to the version before Rob removed the tie-ins. TOC-wise it's definitely too much, but I think that the amount of content there could fit in the article under one heading ("Tie-ins" or "Merchandise", etc.) without infoboxes. However, if you plan to add more content to the tie-ins in the near future, I can agree that a separate page is probably better. I would like to point out that I have seen a proposed merge or two recently concerning incorporating a soundtrack article in the game article (I can't remember which ones, exactly, so I have nothing to back this up) because game soundtrack articles are often a mere track listing. Pagrashtak 15:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge it, if the section then bursts with content, make it separate, but not before. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 05:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tie-ins merge 

message: I can't find any sources that confirm the game uses the id Tech 4 engine. It was added by this anonymous user. Can anyone look into this? QUILzhunter931 (talk) 09:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  id Tech 4 engine? 

message: In the article, it says "The Escapist's "Ben Croshaw" reviewed the game in his weekly Zero Punctuation video. He felt that the game was a step back in time with it being on-rails, but as such had a "charming retro feel"."
In the review itself, the "charming retro feel" comes before the "step back in time on rails" part. This seems a little misleading, with the "as such" phrase; should it be changed? Or too minor a detail?206.21.131.243 (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zero Punctuation review 

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