Talk:Gerry Gable

message: I have flagged this article as containing unverified information and requiring referencing.  The article contains several assertions concerning Gable's dealings with the law without providing verifiable material. Paulleake 18:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unverified Information 

message: Despite being accused of Holocaust Denial both in civil litagation and convicted of such in European state (Austria) David Irving is still an established historian. Removing words to that effect and insisting he is simply a holocaust denier is unjustified, as is removing comments clearly tagged as  which are awaiting the addition of sources, from the entry for Gerry Gable. Unfortunately it seems politically motivated elements are moderating without any appreciation for reality.
:Irving was never an "established historian." He has no academic qualifications, and at the time you're discussing, he had written only one book, so far as I know, some key points of which were later shown to be false. SlimVirgin (talk) 05:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it does. 3RR is not content-dependent. See WP:3RR. Also, please sign your posts. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Irving

message: I assume this is vandalism. I will remove the definite article. Drutt (talk) 22:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "The David Irving"?

message: Let's get a photo on this article.  Does somebody have one to which they own copyright or passes the Wikipedia rules on copyright material?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gable Gez (talk • contribs) 00:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: On "Charitable fraud and misconduct"; innuendo and POV, sourced only to a BNP deadlink. This is  hardly an unbiased source, even if it was live. Per WP:BLP, we can't have this sort of thing hanging around and I've put this article on my watchlist. Rodhullandemu 22:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BLP is not a negotiable policy. Such allegations require scrupulous sourcing, and we don't include the BNP in that category, since they clearly have an axe to grind against Gable. It goes, and it stays gone until it has a reliable source. Please post one here, because if necessary, I will lock this article against editing. Rodhullandemu 20:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Opinion is divided on that point. If Gable said that about Nick Griffin, without sources, it would be equally as invalid. Rodhullandemu 20:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed section 

message: At the insistence of the British National Party, Searchlight and the associated Searchlight Educational Trust were investigated by the British Charity Commission of England and Wales as a result of a complaint that claimed that the Educational Trust had been engaging in political activity incompatible with its charitable status.
The Commission's report stated that, in its opinion, the Searchlight Educational Trust had gone beyond the Commission's guidelines on political activities, and found there was a need for a greater distinction between the public activities of Searchlight Magazine and the educational trust. No action was taken as the charity agreed to follow the Commission's recommendations. 
Clearly the evidence is available and you have a personal bias for not wanting it to be displayed in the artile and threatening me with bans which is a severe disreard for the rules, and more importantly, the spirit, of Wikipedia.
The section you keep removing is more than justified, it is relevant, proven and from multiple sources, and clearly  related to Gables political activities. 81.105.9.22 (talk) 20:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. We are not reliable sources for ourselves, so what is on another article is irrelevant 2. The above link in no way supports a contention of "In January 2009, Gable was accused of fraudulently accepting public good-willed charitable donations to "help sick and disabled children""; only the BNP say that, and we don't regard them as a reliable source against Gable/Searchlight. WP:ANI awaits your complaint. WP:3RR does not apply to WP:BLP issues. It is specifically exempt. Rodhullandemu 20:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. If it is good enough for another article, it is good enough for this one also.  2. I am willing to remove this section until further citations can be found.  This was in print media in my local area, I will look in to this as a citation.  "we don't regard them as a reliable source" -- who is "we"?  I find them a very reliable source being the only organisation to highlight the crimes of Gable.  What other source brings this information to the public attention?
Do you have any other issues if the disabled funding line is removed?  I will add further citations to the article as per the link to the Charity Commission - or are they not a reliable source also?
I'm glad your manner has improved since calling you up on it - there is no need for threats and personal bias 81.105.9.22 (talk) 20:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

text: We cannot say, or imply, anything that is not in a reliable source. It remains moot what Gable's role is in the charities mentioned, and IIRC he is not cited in the CC judgement- so it's also debatable what relevance it has to 
this article. On balance, I think it's OK in the Searchlight article but not here because the way it was written looked like an attempt to besmirch Gable and without a direct mention of him, it's innuendo. Rodhullandemu 20:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can appreciate how it may look, but Gable setup the charity and it's his main focus now.  I think this makes it very relevant to the article, what he did and what he's doing.  I am willing to agree that some of the s.e.t. specific information could be left out, with just a reference to s.e.t. page for further information.  The information can be restricted specifically to Gables role in s.e.t.  Do you have any further objections or issues to raise? 81.105.9.22 (talk) 21:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, as long as you stick to what the source says. Cheers. Rodhullandemu 21:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad we've managed to resolve this quickly.  Of course there was no need to remove the entire section since with a few minor tweaks it can reflect now what we have agreed, but anyway.  Also since you're so interested in this article, I think it needs a photograph.  There is one picture specifically that is on the web and has been used more times than even Google can count; having looked at the fair image use rules I believe it can be used within the guidelines of copyright law since it's relevant, widely available in the public domain, would cause no financial loss to anybody, and so on.  The image is repeated 6 times on the first page alone, the one I refer to is the most common one there: http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=Gerry%20Gable  I've already checked Commons but it has none.  Would you like to put the photograph in? 81.105.9.22 (talk) 21:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I have already looked for free images and cannot find one, but even though this *could* be a copyright image, the copyright law has a fair usage clause in it and according to Wikipedias own guidelines, the image in question passes all of the tests, a few of which I mentioned above. I have also updated the article as per our discussion, please let me have your thoughts. 81.105.9.22 (talk) 21:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia policy is more restrictive than general copyright law (bearing in mind we are referring to US law here, since that's where our servers are located). In particular, an image of some other website would fail WP:NFCC#1 = "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created" - the copyright gurus would say, "well, you could photograph him at some public event", regardless of how difficult that might be. So, I don't think we'd last five minutes with that one. Rodhullandemu 21:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Charitable status

message: There is a lot of material in this article with citations such as "Daily Telegraph, January 15, 1964". Given that this is a WP:BLP, I think we need more than this. At a minimum we need the article's title. The author and page number would help too. Can someone provide these please? Jayjg (talk) 01:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Especially as the cited articles often predate on-line archiving of newspapers. BobFromBrockley (talk) 06:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So do you agree that the material sourced to these sources should be removed? Jayjg (talk) 04:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I've removed it all - 9 months is long enough. Jayjg (talk) 18:12, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear references 

message: Perhaps you can explain why you have deleted his corrected date of birth - his birth certificate has been posted on-line.
Perhaps you can also explain why you have deleted all references to the libel action he lost against Morris Riley. Again, the documentation has been posted on-line.  — Precedingunsigned comment added by 86.176.101.178 (talk) 23:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted the date of birth - we don't use photocopies of anything online in this way. I don't know who removed the other material although it might have been me, but again it would need to be sourced to an official website. See WP:VERIFY and WP:BLPN. Dougweller (talk) 11:02, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I discovered this possibly related book: .--Auric  talk 17:54, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queries 

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message: Never heard of him before today, came to talk page to note it's odd he's completely disappeared for the past thirty years - only to find apparently this article itself is rather controversial in having a great deal of information (properly or improperly) removed. Anyways, nobody able to find out what he's been doing since about 1992? LauraIngallsEvenWilder (talk) 05:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
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