Talk:The Magic Mountain

message: "In the informative afterword written for the 1927 English translation, Mann states..."
This is not an afterword for the 1927 translation, but an article from the Atlantic January 1952, as stated on the copyright page of the Vintage Classics. It is not included, for instance, in the Penguin edition of this translation published in 1977, nor, I believe, does it feature in the previous Penguin editions from 1962.
Indeed it is clear from the piece in question that it dates from significantly later than three years after the novel's original publication. This is eveidenced by Mann's mentions of Joseph and His Brothers whose volumes post-date 1927. Moreover, the overall tone is retrospective, one of looking back, and he draws (not without irony) upon academic sources to refer to his. The development of an academic body of work also reveals the later date. All in all, it is an alarming oversight on the part of our budding Wikipedia chronicler.
"[Hans'] imminent death on the battlefield is suggested."
This is not the case. The novel does not at any point say so. Rather it says (in Lowe-Porter's translation): "The desparate dance [i.e. the war] in which thy fortunes are caught up, will last yet many a sinful year; we should not care to set a high stake on thy life by the time it ends." The suggestion is  that the probability, (the narrator's betting instinct - the 'subjective probability') is against Hans surviving the war. The end might come that night, it might be in a years time - Mann goes on to cryptically concede, albeit rather indifferently, that it is possibile that the war might not carry him off at all. Hans' death is certainly in no way marked as "imminent" - it is precisely just such a melodramatic finale that Mann does not give us, and if lesser readers, ill-equipped for a work of such stature, feel required to invent such an ending for themselves I suggest that they reserve it for their own famished imaginations rather than risk diluting it by offering it to those as undeserving of its nourishment as ourselves.
(I have a performed a quick edit accordingly.)
These are only the two most glaring oversights. Overall the article seems firmly in the grip of the American academicism that Mann so ruthlessly parodies in the article that our esteemed encyclopediast believes to be an afterword to the 1927 translation, a translation published, I add, in 1928.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.217.134 (talk) 01:26, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccuracies 

message: The discussion of Settembrimi seems too positive.  I feel as though he mostly remains a sort of caricature of the Democratic Liberal, even if this somewhat lessens as the book goes on.  Also, his rather grotesque nationalism ought to be mentioned - Mann seems to make much of the fact that Settembrimi's humanist universalism is combined with a very crude, parochial Italian nationalism. john k 17:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely a follow encyclopedist like Settembrini can expect favourable treatment by his colleagues here on Wikipedia? :-) I am sure that, had the Zauberberg be set in our times, the good man would have a laptop (an Olivetti), enjoying the good wireless coverage of the Berghof to hunt vandals, engage in editing wars on Liberalism, and make his voice heard on AfD? Arbor 18:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Settembrimi 

message: See Chauchat. Coincidence or is her name an allusion to the coming WW I? Leibniz 18:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Using the word « purity » in relation to Clawdia Chauchat is presumably ironic? Though she has a husband in Daghestan, she enters into an ambiguous relationship with the head of the sanatorium and later becomes the overt mistress of Mynheer Peeperkorn. --Clifford Mill (talk) 19:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Chauchat

message: I wonder if Hans Castorp`s character is really symbolic of the Weimar Republic, because
although Mann completed the novel several years after WWI ended, the novel ends with a view of
Castorp disappearing into the fog of WWI - which makes it seem more likely that he represents
pre-war Germany (?)    Lugub 19:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are perfectly right!  But note that the article writes "... can be seen ..." ; this is OK, although I would not see it that way. -- User 87.160. ..., 10 Oct. 2007, 19:30 CEST
The problem with symbolism is that symbols are subjectively interpreted. Does anyone really know that Mann wanted to make a certain character a symbol of an abstract concept? Do you think that Mann sat down and said to himself, "I will make Castorp a symbol of the Weimar Republic and Clavdia Chauchat will be a symbol of the coming war"? I do not think that such authors write in this manner. No one, however, really knows what was in Mann's mind. His own statements about his thoughts are the only facts that we have, and he never said that his characters were mere symbols for abstractions.Lestrade (talk) 13:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Castorp

message: Substituted 'ss' for ß in the name Ziemssen. Most English readers will not recognize ß – and this is, after all, English Wikipedia.  Sca (talk) 20:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ß is merely a joining of the Long s and the short s.Lestrade (talk) 20:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the long and the short of it is that "ss" is at least recognizable to an English audience.JGC1010 (talk) 01:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: English

message: The adjective "erotic" in the phrase The erotic allure of the beautiful Polish boy Tadzio has been deleted for the following reason. Eros implies sexual love. Beauty does not imply sexual love. On the contrary, beauty is disinterested (cf. Kant, Critique of Judgment, § 5). The Polish boy's fascination was the result of youthful, Ideal beauty, not of sexual interest.Lestrade (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Beauty & Eros

message: The "Trivia" section is truly a waste. I would like to delete it.Lestrade (talk) 23:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: The text today, much improved, still offers us mysteries about this character. To start with, what is her first name? In the book, as I remember it, she is always Clawdia. Shouldn't the article use that spelling throughout? Next, it is suggested that this name includes the English word «claw». The name is Latin, has been used by Christians for over 1900 years because it is in the Greek New Testament, and is here assigned to a Russian in a book written in German. In none of these four languages does the pronounciation ( clou'dia, clou'dia, clou'dia, cluv'dia) echo the English word «claw ». So how is «claw» significant? --Clifford Mill (talk) 17:46, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madame Chauchat (again) 

message: Despite what appears good evidence to the contrary, Lukács's biography given on your web page <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/György_Lukács> bears no semblance to Naphtha’s.  Franz Kafka's given on your web page <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Kafka> on the other hand is remarkably similar to that given by Mann to Naphtha.
Naphtha is the son of a shtetl shochet.  Lukács has no shetetl shochet lurking in his background.  Kafka was the grandson of one.  Naphtha is tubercular.  Lukács clearly was not, but Kafka died of tuberculosis of the larynx in 1924, which in Mann’s book was what got to Joachim Ziemssen.  Naphtha is on pension from the Jesuits, Kafka from the Czech patent office.  To read Kafka’s didactic, surreal, two world writing is to experience Naphtha in the flesh.
Based on the similarities of the one, and dis-similarities of the other, I wonder about the provenance of the letter on the subject which Thomas Mann supposedly wrote in 1949
<MacIntyre (1971, p. 60): MacIntyre, Alasdair (1971) [April 1965]. "Chapter 8: Marxist mask and romantic face: Lukács on Thomas Mann". In MacIntyre, Alasdair (ed.). Against the self-images of the age: Essays on ideology and philosophy (reprint of Encounter article ed.). Duckworth. pp. 60–69. ISBN 0715605763.>
Michael GQ (talk) 16:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi  what is it that you want changed? I can't see any clear request in your message. Also, do you have a COI with the subject of this article, because the  template is for making edit requests when you have a COI? If so, please declare it. Thanks!  Seagull123  Φ  20:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naptha as Kafka