Talk:Fender Jaguar

message: I have to take issue with the author's assertion that the Jaguar was intended for surf music groups. The Jaguar came out in 1962, and had to have been in development for some time before that. Surf music did not become popular on a national level until 1962.
There is no doubt that surf music groups flocked to the Jaguar and Fender did later market to them. However I don't believe you can say the Jaguar was meant for surf guitarists, or that the mute was intended for them. (Fender did not invent the mute, it appeared on other non-Fender guitars from that era). Fender was probably seeking to further appeal to the Jazz crowd which had not received the Jazzmaster very well.
Other than this point, I found this article to be very well written.
Dick Dale was active in the late 50s, and surf-ish instrumentalists like Duane Eddy and Link Wray were around then too. And don't forget Fender was located and very involved with local musicians in Southern California where surf originated, so when it broke on a national scale isn't a reliable indicator of when Fender became aware of the trend. And being similar to the Jazzmaster, it wouldn't necessarily have taken more than a few months to put something together using Jazzmaster ideas & parts.
I added a reference to fender.com for the fact that Fender originally intended the guitar to be used by surf musicians, specifically "the removable Fender Mute is a built-in string-damping device created with surf bands in mind." The mute was created for the jaguar. Petchboo (talk) 04:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's not have an edit war over whether the Jaguar was designed specifically to be a surf guitar or not. Until someone can present conclusive evidence, it remains up in the air. The present-day reference to the mute is not proof, because it was probably written by some guy in the advertising department who wasn't even alive in '62. Maybe someone should write Fender and find out if the designer is still alive and can tell us about it. I have edited the first paragraph to read neutral and made note of the controversy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capritaurus (talk • contribs) 06:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like someone undid the edit because when I read this article in 2012 it was still claiming the guitar was targeted at the surf "market" (unlikely since that was way too niche). Overall there is way too much opinion in the article and I have started the process of cleaning it up, adding more sources and facts.Popsup (talk) 23:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intended purpose, surf music? 

message: According to this article, John Frusciante used his red Jaguar for the duration of the Red Hot Chili Peppers performance at woodstock. This is absolutely false. I'm watching the video, and he used his 60s Sunburst Telecaster. I'm removing this reference. WhiteHand 03:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Frusciante reference 

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message: So what do all the switches do exactly?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.148.9 (talk) 03:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The upper switchplate has just one switch and two "thumbwheel" pots. This switch swaps between the "upper" circuit and "lower" circuit. The upper circuit uses only the neck pickup, and the volume and tone (treble cut)) pots on the upper switchplate. The lower circuit uses only the controls on the lower awitchplates. The horn end lower switchplate has three switches, which are from neck end (1) neck pickup off/on (2) bridge pickup off/on and (3) "strangle" (bass cut by introducing a series capacitor). The bridge end lower switchplate has conventional volume and tone (treble cut) pots. All controls are passive. The setup has a lot of character and a big learning curve but once you get away from the idea of a pickup change switch it works very well. Andrewa (talk) 10:53, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Switches? 

message: I suppose it should be mentioned that the Fender Jaguar was used in the movie "Bye Bye Birdie" as Conrad Birdie's guitar, probably it's most famous use.  The Jaguar is a heavy guitar, anybody know why they made it so heavy? And the bridge settles after playing for a while, anybody know how to keep the bridge from settling without affecting the sound quality? 209.77.229.70 (talk) 19:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bye Bye Birdie 

message: During the late 70s and the early/mid 80s, the Jaguars and Jazzmasters were shown as part of the gear of punk, post-punk and new wave musicians. Why are you including Tom Verlaine alongside Cobain and Frusciante? He was part of the infamous era of the Jaguar users in the punk/new wave era, alongside Rowland S. Howard (The Birthday Party, These Immortal Souls, solo artist), Rob Symmons (Subway Sect) and others.Francodamned (talk) 05:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Between surf rock and 80's/90's alt rock there was another era 

message: • I have done some reorg but the "Reissue" section still has about three paragraphs that would better belong in the "Variations" section. That would require some merging because there's some duplication.
• In some ways it seems like "Features" should precede "History." Saying what the guitar is and does may logically be better context for the history than vice versa. I dunno.
• Some text on collectibility and value should be added. What's in the article right now is a little negative POV and sketchy. Jags regularly sell on eBay for 2K-3K and up. That is not an undesirable guitar!
• The nice long article on the Fender site and the new (Nov 2012) article in Vintage Guitar ought to provide some more and better material.Popsup (talk) 23:34, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work needed on this article 

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