Talk:List of rock musicals

message: I'm a bit unclear on how precise the definition of "rock musical" being used here is.  It's my understanding that if all dialogue is sung, then it's an opera.  Conversely, if the sung dialogue does not significantly advance the plot then it's just a sung number in a non-musical (i.e. "The Wedding Singer").  Also, is this list intended to only be stage productions or can we consider movies musicals on film?
Here's my tentative criterion suggestions:
To qualify as such, a rock musical must contain both spoken and sung dialogue and at least some of the songs must significantly advance the plot.
Although video and stage productions are different beasts, a rock musical movie that has yet to hit the stage shouldn't be disqualified.  DrYoda 14:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A good number of these have predominately pop or more classic Broadway sounding scores.  Wicked, Avenue Q, Miss Saigon and the Lion King among others are hardly Rock Musicals.  luke_callahan 28 June 2007
They might not be rock operas, but they're rock musicals.  Yoda, Why does it need sung dialogue?  Why does it need spoken dialogue.  I disagree with your first criterion.  I agree that filmed rock musicals are also rock musicals and can be listed here, even if there was never a live stage show.  -- Ssilvers 17:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criteria

message: Lists such as this on Wikipedia are usually organized alphabetically by title. There is no reason for  a list of rock musicals to be ordered by year, since the year is not the most relevant factor, and that information can be found in the individual articles for the specific musicals.Spylab 03:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly disagree.  The list contained far more useful information before you stripped it out.  As for Alpha order, the rule says plainly "Currently there is no single recommended format."  The utility of this list is to see a historical development, so a chronological order makes more sense here than a robotic alpha list.  One can always search for a work using the find feature if you do not know what year it was written.  You have already destroyed the article on rock opera and the list of rock operas.  Do not destroy this article.  Please return the article to the previous edit.  -- Ssilvers 03:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I completely disagree that the list "needs" to be alphbetical.    The fact that the other lists are in alphabetical order is sort of irrelevant in relation to this one.  It makes much more sense to put the list of operas and musicals in alphabetical order because there are so many of them.  This list is really short in comparison and works best as an historical illustration of the development of the rock musical starting from Hair (musical) and working our way up to today.  Broadwaygal 15:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to undo the changes made by Spylab, but see that Broadwaygal has already done so. I wholeheartedly agree with reverting to the earlier version, which is much more user-friendly. Let us not promote alphabetical order over historical context. Such changes should, surely, only be made after discussion? User:Tim riley 21:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alphabetization

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