Talk:Topps Meat Company

message: Third largest recall,
this should now be the third largest recall as there was a 143 million lb beef recall in California with the Westland company  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.240.206.205 (talk) 05:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: Why was the above removed from the article? WAS 4.250 14:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i explained why in my edit summaries. the timeline is overkill for this small an article. it does nothing more than reiterate the existing contents of the article. the history of ownership isn't significant or notable - the articles cites the company as a family company, which more than suffices. Anastrophe 16:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: following up on myself - i see however, that the recall of 2005 is not in the article. i'll see about folding that in. i still think a timeline is overkill though. Anastrophe 16:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead is for summarizing the content. Deleting summaries and adding details not in the body is inappropriate. Timelines serve a different purpose than a narrative and are a useful way of differently displaying data in a way one can easily grasp temporal rather than causal relationships. The company is still being investigated, so the current length of the article is no indication as to the eventual length. Family owned can mean one guy owns it or a trust representing a hundred owns it. "Family owned" is too vague to tell the reader much.  WAS 4.250 17:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the lead does not have to summarize the entire article. it's still got more detail than necessary. the timeline is still complete overkill, regardless of whether the investigation brings about more information. family owned is more than adequate, particularly for a company that was not noteable to begin with. certainly not notable enough to have an article before this incident. Were this article about the Johnson & Johnson company, a timeline and details of ownership would be appropriate. for this article, they are inappropriate. Anastrophe 23:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "one of the country’s largest manufacturers of frozen hamburgers" certainly IS notable enough to have an article before this incident. WAS 4.250 04:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: except that the article did not exist before the recent e. coli outbreak. which was my point. you created the first revision of this article on 30 september 2007. so, as evidenced by the edit history, the company was not notable before this incident. i'm not clear what your point is. Anastrophe 05:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: this sort of bickering is not productive use of the talk page (or our time). the company is notable, but not significantly so. some of the content you added is overkill for the subject matter. on the other hand, much of the content you added is excellent - top notch in fact - accurately citing materials as is sadly too often uncommon. i'm interested in finding a balance between too much detail relative to the notability of the subject, and too little. as i've stated several times, i think the timeline is overkill. the details of ownership are interesting, and i suppose reasonably 'harmless'. given the choice, i'd swap the ownership details for the timeline, but that's personal preference. if you can find details of when ownership conferred to the various family members, that would be a useful addition to the timeline, rendering it more informative. otherwise....i'm basically done with this article. Anastrophe 17:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We disagree on whether we are writing a finished article or are creating something that will be added to and changed and changed again and again and again. Since I believe from experience that things will continue to be added and moved and deleted long after you and I have forgotten this page, I think it best to source every claim so the source does not get "lost" as can happen as things are moved, deleted and so forth. Also adding data is useful as a context for further data to be added. So while I have no problem with your edits if this was to be printed and distributed, as an article in an everybody can edit wiki that is never finished, more data and more sources is very useful. Since you are done with this article and reading your comments makes me more certain than ever than the owner section and sources should go back, I'm going to replace them. On the other hand, if others have the same opinion as you and wish to revert; well, as you said, its not worth that much of our time ... and if others agree with you then maybe I'm wrong after all on this. It happens... WAS 4.250 17:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: fair enough. cheers! Anastrophe 18:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
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