Talk:Euro sign

message: The sentence "Actually the designer of the sign is Alain Billiet." was just removed for the reason "rv v" which I take to mean "revert vandalism". What's the story? Evertype 09:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Alain Billiet]] 

message: Jenny Wong, I think the original text saying that the Commission somewhat naïvely believed that the logo was going to be used in all fonts is more accurate. I was a member of a CEN committee and we met with officials about getting the thing into computers, and they really did believe that everyone was going to do it that way. Naïveté is the word for that, isn't it? Evertype 21:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A "commission" can't "believe" anything, only individuals can have believes. None of the early EU publications that I had seen at the time contained any guidance on font design. All geometric-guidance that I was able to find seemed really targeted at a >40 mm yellow-on-blue project-identity logo (for web sites, letter heads, posters, etc.), not at font designers. So I wonder, whether the claim "the Commission intended the logo to be a prescribed glyph shape" holds up to scruteny, and would prefer the phrase "some people suggested to also use the logo as a glyph shape". Are you sure, what you describe was really an early-on official policy, rather than just confusion by one or two Commission employees that you met? Jomsborg 11:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 11:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naïveté 

message: Article text: “The official story of the design history of the euro sign is disputed by Arthur Eisenmenger, a former chief graphic designer for the EEC, whose claims to have had the idea before. Eisenmenger's undisputed design achievements include the flag of the European Union.” However, the European flag page says it was designed by Arsène Heitz. -Ahruman 07:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Undisputed” designs of Arthur Eisenmenger 

message: I offer me to create & upload a SVG version of the euro design image. --Walter Humala - Emperor of West Wikipedia 
|wanna Talk? 02:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  THE EMPEROR HAS ARRIVED 

message: Before an edit war ensues I thought I'd address this here... Do we think this article has too many illustrations piled together or do we think this is a positive thing? Tomsintown 23:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just think that the image in question is a nice picture and this article is the best place to place it. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 23:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many pictures? 

message: Wy is Alain Billiet not mentioned? It is he that is the designer of the sign. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.201.146.151 (talk) 18:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alain Billiet 

message: I'm curious to see what the other 10 designs were that voters chose from.  It would be interesting to add a link to pictures  in the article.  I took a quick look on a search engine but didn't find anything.  Does anyone have a link to those designs?Gloriamarie 21:57, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So am I! Back in January 2006, I emailed Dr. Peter Diem, the author of the excellent research paper The Symbols of Europe, to see if he could help me on this since I couldn't find that info anywhere. He told me he couldn't find it also, but recommended me to contact the National Bank of Austria, saying that they were very knowledgeable with regard to the EURO. I did that, but their answer was: "regarding your request please contact directly the European Commission, which was responsible for the Euro symbol. http://europa.eu.int/comm/index_en.htm". After that I stopped my research, maybe you might want to finish it where I left it =). Waldir 16:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If it hasn't happened in five years, I doubt it will happen now, but I'm also interested in the rejected designs. 203.97.134.50 (talk) 02:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: 10 Other Currency Signs

message: Removed "the American-style "¢" occasionally in Ireland" from the section referencing abbreviations for cent. There's no support for this statement given, and being Irish, having lived there my entire life, I've never once seen this. If it does occur, it's not notable and would be misleading.213.94.244.94 20:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: US cent symbol in Ireland

message: €
€ €
Please provide some input as to which font to use in the blue box. I prefer sans-serif (Arial), simply because it matches the original design closest. Another editor disagrees, So I'm putting up for discussion here.  — Edokter • Talk •  20:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, how about the graphic that displays the sign in 9 different fonts? Wouldn't that be a nice compromise? It has them all! Besides, it would make the article a bit less messy. SergioGeorgini 00:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly looks to me as if Arial is closer than Tahoma, looking at the top right --Rumping (talk) 06:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What if there were two pictures side by side as the main illustration? One of the official blue-yellow logo and one of a hand-drawn € on a restaurant blackboard or something. It would cover both the official logotype and the typographical character which it spawned, not to mention showcase the contrast in one fell swoop. Would everybody be okay with that? SergioGeorgini (talk) 23:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euro sign font 

message: It is only one particular style that doesn't leave a space after the euro sign when it precedes the number. Other styles do leave a space (I am a translator, and I always leave a space).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.223.242 (talk) 08:39, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Unspaced' 

message: Is there any basis for the claim that this is a common way to denote prices in Europe? I haven't seen it anywhere in Germany, France or England (the latter of which would not be an authority on usage of the symbol anyway). Maybe I'm just blind, but does anybody really use the Euro sign as seperator when the price includes cents? --— Ashmodai (talk · contribs) 19:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's very common in France. Orange uses it (example on website, but may change obviously). Carrefour uses it (ditto). They did the same with French francs (100F50) and still do with times (10h20). --- SergioGeorgini (talk) 00:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is it common anywhere outside France? Otherwise the claim is blatantly false. That'd be a national peculiarity rather than something common "in Europe". — Ashmodai (talk · contribs) 11:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not false; it's vague. "In many other countries, including France and Germany, an amount such as €3.50 is often written as 3,50€ or 3€50 instead" is still technically correct, but obviously about as helpful as the sentence "some people are nice" would be in an article about social etiquette. The problem is that there are virtually no sources on this subject, at least I couldn't find any. A reliable source would be great if anyone has one. SergioGeorgini (talk) 01:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

text: In many other countries, including France and Germany, an amount such as €3.50 is often written as 3,50 € or 3€50 instead, largely following conventions for their former currencies. I agree that the statement is correct, but it is misleading. The reason Germans write 3,50 € rather than €3.50 is a linguistic convention. The decimal separator in German is , and all currency symbols are usually placed after the figure, so it's also 3,50 $ and 3,50 £. --85.181.232.4 (talk) 11:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A typographic convention, surely. Anyway, I think it doesn't belong in the article at all, as it isn't at all related to the Euro Sign.  --Peterbruells (talk) 08:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're both correct. It is a linguistic issue, albeit a singular one; in those languages where a currency sign is placed in front of the amount (e.g. English, Dutch), no other symbol's placement defies pronunciation like that. Moreover, in Austria, where German is spoken, the sign is also placed before the figure, but in Germany it is not. Finally, the sign was not — as the dollar and pound signs have been in their respective territories — historically a part of European vernacular, but instead artificially thrust upon the Eurozone in the late 1990s. In that process, in the sort of temporary myopia that so often overcomes the institution and as has been repeated multiple times, the EU declared that it would decide how the sign was to be used, right down to the color palette. This was mostly ignored, of course, but the point is that this new sign did bring along specific typographic/syntactical issues. So I personally do feel that it does deserve a mention, even if I agree that thee section could benefit from some serious rewording and/or condensing. Go ahead if you feel so inclined! SergioGeorgini (talk) 22:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  5€20? 

message: Є is not a Greek epsilon. Is this an error by Wikipedia or by the creator of the Euro sign?--77.241.141.10 (talk) 17:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The same symbol is on the page that is the source of the citation. So the error is not Wikipedia's. Svick (talk) 18:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epsilon inspiration 

message: Don't know if this is of any interest for the article on the euro sign, but apparently an early (1970s?) draft of a European single currency symbol looked more or less like a double-stroke E (see ).  Speculation-mode on: In my eyes this creation avoids some of the typographical problems that come with €, trading them in, however, for a complicated design. An alloglyph Ɇ would seem a natural evolution ... Anothername (talk) 17:53, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that horror on the right is supremely ugly.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.87.39 (talk) 07:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ɇ 

message: Is the paragraph about key combinations necessary? It could never be full and comprehensive, since there are tons of layouts, languages etc. Besides, Wikipedia is not an instruction manual. —Volgar (talk) 07:24, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keyboard Combinations 

message: >font designers made it clear that they intended to design their own variants instead.[4]
Citation [4] is just an e-mail discussion. Is there any way to know if these people are actually designers of broadly used fonts, and whether they actually wrote what [4] says they wrote? For evidence that designers ended up adapting the glyph to their font styles, wouldn't it be better to simply cite how the glyph appears in various broadly used fonts, like Book Antiqua, Times, Arial, Helvetica, and so on?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.87.39 (talk) 07:55, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  About a citation 

message: The drawing that shows how the Euro sign is designed geometrically is incorrect. The drawing itself does not match the numbers displayed. Specifically, compare 7,5 (horizontal) to what is actually drawn.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.191.194.63 (talk) 12:23, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glyph design drawing is incorrect 

message: The following is on the "euro sign" page: "for example €0.05 or €–.05"
I believe there are two problems with this quote. First, why is there a leading 0 before 0.05, but not before -.05? The APA Style manual suggests having a leading 0 whenever a number could be greater than 1 or less than -1 (probabilities and correlations are bounded, and do not have a leading 0. So it should be -0.05 with the leading zero.
Second, it seems like the minus sign should come before the euro sign, i.e., –€0.05. Excel follows this convention. It should be addressed on the page.
I have another question about when to spell out numbers. APA suggests spelling out numbers less than 10 unless they are followed by a unit of measure. The example they give is "5-mg dose" as being correct. But what about currency. Is it correct to say "€5" or "five euros"? I assume that "€20" is correct but "twenty euros" is incorrect, since 20 is greater than 10.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecmalthouse (talk • contribs) 19:53, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a currency specifier is also a unit of measure, and when the APA said "followed by" they just forgot about preceding ones; the same rules should apply. 71.41.210.146 (talk) 04:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leading 0's, minus signs and when to spell numbers out 

message: You could extract it from :File:Euro_Construction.svg, but in case it's of use to anyone here's a much smaller hand-built version of the official logo (the math to find the coordinates of the upper-right corner was fun).  If you're trying to follow, it starts on the leftmost corner of the lower horizontal bar and begins by going clockwise around the outside of the shape.  Also remember that SVG coordinates have positive Y down; negative Y is up.
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.1//EN"
  "http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd">
<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" version="1.1"
  viewBox="-7.5 -6 11.753378 12" style="background-color:#171976">
<title>Euro logo</title>
<desc>Offical euro logo</desc>
<path fill="#F7E017" d="M -7.5,1.5
l .415699,-1
H -5.979130
a 6,6 0 0,1 0,-1
H -7.5
l .415699,-1
H -5.809475
A 6,6 0 0,1 4.253378,-4.231876
L 3.830222,-3.213938
A 5,5 0 0,0 -4.769696,-1.5
H 3.117740
l -.415699,1
H -4.974937
a 5,5 0 0,0 0,1
H 2.286343
l -.415699,1
H -4.769696
A 5,5 0 0,0 3.830222,3.213938
V 4.618376
A 6,6 0 0,1 -5.809475,1.5
Z"/>
</svg>
Here's an even smaller one drawn as three overlapping shapes, rather than one complex outline
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.1//EN" 
  "http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd">
<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" version="1.1"
  viewBox="-7.5 -6 11.753378 12" style="background-color:#171976">
<title>Euro logo</title>
<desc>Offical euro logo</desc>
<path fill="#F7E017" d="
M 3.830222,-3.213938
A 5,5 0 1,0 3.830222,3.213938
V 4.618376
A 6,6 0 1,1 4.253378,-4.231876
Z
M -7.5,-.5
l .415699,-1
H 3.117740
l -.415699,1
Z
M -7.5,1.5
l .415699,-1
H 2.286343
l -.415699,1
Z"/>
</svg>
These require full SVG because the basic and tiny subsets don't support circular arcs in paths; they must be approximated by splines.
The background and foreground ("fill=") specifications are approximations to the official Pantone colours; obviously they can be deleted if you want basic black-on-white. 71.41.210.146 (talk) 12:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  SVG code for euro symbol 

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message: i.e. a list of character set configurations/standards on various computers which support Euro, e.g. 8859-15, 8859-16, IBM EBCDIC 1140 (37-2?), UCS2/UTF/Unicode, Microsoft code pages etc.  This information is spread across several articles currently (with some in this article in the text), would be useful to bring together to one place as an easy to use reference list (linking to relevant code pages).  Or could be in the See Also section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.50.58 (talk) 09:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The article covers this to some extent, but native support for Unicode is ubiquitous now. It doesn't seem to be worth devoting more space than is already given over to the early days when Apple, Unix and Windows each chose a different code point. But if you feel like writing a history, have a go! --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 01:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the article have a section covering computer character set support for Euro? 

message: The Euro is NOT the official currency of the European Union. It is the official currency of the Euro Zone. The Euro Zone only includes a subset of the EU member states. I think this should be fixed with some information added to what the Euro Zone is.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.108.47 (talk) 23:46, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, good call. Fixed. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 01:12, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT the official currency of the European Union (EU) 

message: I have tagged this statement as dubious
 The euro currency sign was designed to be similar in structure to the old sign for the European Currency Unit (encoded as .
and will delete unless someone produces a citation very soon. It is not cited and there is really no similarity between ₠ and € except maybe the top left corner of the C and the cross bar of the E, which are mere coincidences. It has more in common with an Italian Lira sign (₤). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 06:33, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As there has been not reply, let alone a citation, in nearly a month, I am deleting this claim. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:02, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious statement about design needing to  be similar to the ECU sign 

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