Talk:List of metropolitan areas in the Americas

message: Why I made the reverts: This is not a US Census bureau list, it is one got from the World-Gazetteer. Secondary cities are only listed if they are over 10% of the population of the metro area. --  Earl Andrew - talk 03:05, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Why I made the reverts

message: Since this is not the U.S. Census list, then I appologize for the comment I made on the summary edit. I based my information on the U.S. Census when I made the edit. UH Collegian
:Thanks, there is a list I believe that bases it on US Census Bureau populations, just like there is a list based on Statistics Canada. --  Earl Andrew - talk 06:50, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: appologize

message: Just out of idle curiosity ... Why does this list stop at 116>  It seems like an odd number to stop with.  :)  RickK 07:22, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
:It has more to do with the populations than the rankings. Note #116 has just a little over 1,000,000 people, signalling that that is the cut off. :) --  Earl Andrew - talk 08:18, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Just out of idle curiosity

message: Why not add in Detroit-Windsor, San Diego-Tijuana, and El Paso=Juarez? 69.171.160.71 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 23:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Binational Areas

message: The list seems to have wrong information. e.g. New York is listed as having 22 million whereas the United States metropolitan area article, which links here, lists it at 18,323,002. This leads me to believe that there are more problems with this list. Mind you, such a lists must be maintained regularly to be of any value..... Chelman 18:13, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not wrong. The world gazatteer site has different paramaters for metropolitain areas. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:47, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong, inconsistent and out of date data 

message: Shouldn't it be San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose? or San Francisco bay area?
:Oakland didn't make the 10% threshold I had for inclusion on this list. (was not 10% of the metro area population) -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Francisco-San Jose? 

message: Where is all the information from the source used here, World Gazetteer? I could not find the specific info was looking for on World Gazetteer, maybe some of the other info is there, maybe I just didn't look hard enough, maybe it is now missing, I don't know.
What actually constitutes a metropolitan area? Or better yet, what is the definition being used for this article?
I came to this article originally from the main Tennessee Wikipedia article, because it stated that the Tri-cities metro area (Johnson City, Kingsport, Bristol, TN/Bristol, VA) was the fourth largest in Tennessee, which I thought was in error. I thought the Chattanooga metro area had to be larger than the Tri-cities metro area. However when I found this article it listed Johnson City at 200 with a population of 504,827, which is WRONG, way WRONG! Johnson City has a population of about 55K as of last census (which I know for a fact, I live there and go by a city limit sign which states the population everyday). Maybe the article is supposed to read Johnson City metro area, if so then it should be Johnson City, Kingsport, Bristol, TN/Bristol, VA metro area, or better yet Tri-cities metro area. 
Well, I decided to crunch some numbers and I added up surrounding counties/cities numbers I came up with a number close to the 504,827 figure. Again, what actually constitutes a metropolitan area? Also I understand the Tri-cites figure is going to include figures from Virginia, but stating largest metro areas in Tennessee, should the VA numbers be included? Are Arkansas numbers used for Memphis? Are Georgia numbers used for Chattanooga? (at least in the Tennessee article?)
I think this article needs a definition of what constitutes a metropolitan area, some kind of formula to go by.
I also think there should be individual links for each figure stated.
I find Wikipedia to be a very good source for the most part, except when it comes to numbers, that is why I checked this source. Also I did check for vandalism, recent edits and this discussion page.
Also, I'd like to state that I respect ALL of you Wikipedians!!! You all work hard and provide a very good service to the world. I would do more myself for Wikipedia, but I do not have the time or patience, plus I really do not undrstand all the formatting, edit wars, etc, etc, etc. Also I just don't feel comfortable changing someone elses hard work, unless I ABSOLUTELY positive it is wrong, which I will do here. I will change Johnson City to Tri-cities or Johnson City, Kingsport, Bristol, TN/Bristol, VA, if I can figure out the formating.
Hope I haven't ruffled any feathers, if so I'm sorry I meant no offense. 24.158.102.32 00:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I changed Johnson City back to Tri-Cities again. I don't know if this data is correct, but I do know that there is no way Johnson City has that large of a population. Earl Andrew, you really seem like you know what you are doing, but why revert my change without an explanition? Maybe it was an accident, I don't know.24.158.102.32 18:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions? 

message: The source provided on this page has new data. Someone please update this listing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cooljuno411 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs to be updated 

message: How come Toronto - Hamilton  defines the golden horseshoe? They share one Television market and a lot of people commute from Niagara, Kitchener,etc. to Toronto. Toronto alone has 6 million people. I feel it should be Hamilton Toronto or St Catharines - Hamilton - Toronto  - 8.15 million making it 8th in the Americas.
The Golden Horseshoe is not a metropolitan area but a region that closely resembles the CSAs found in the United States that are included in this source.  The problem with this list is that it only sometimes list metropolitan areas as they are defined by census authorities.  The list does include many CSAs, which are not metro areas,  found in the United States (such as New York and Los Angeles....cities with much smaller metro areas than found here) and if it is to be a list of these larger urban regions, it should include the 8 million plus found in the Golden Horseshoe.  If it does this however it should not purport to be a list of metropolitan areas.
in Canada metro area is comparable to csa.  that's why metro Chicago and Denver are allowed to cover areas 10 times larger than Canadian metro areas do.  that has to be taken into account when putting together lists like this.  A third of Canada's population (11-12 million people) lives in an area that would be included in metro areas of some US cities.  To have a city like that below Houston is indicative of a problem in the list.
chazman 18:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Golden Horseshoe

message: Santiago's population was 5.6 millions according to 2002 census, the list shows santiago with 5 millions according to 2008 proyection, but it really has nearly 7 millons now. Wrong data, I assume there is a lot of other wrong information here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.164.189.121 (talk) 19:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong 

message: I would like to propose completely overhauling this list to use official definitions of metropolitan areas and their population figures where available. The only countries that do not appear to have official metropolitan area or urban agglomeration definitions are Venezuela, Guatemala, and the Dominican Republic. For these, we can keep the World Gazetteer source. For the U.S, which has two definitions, I am planning to use the monocentric metropolitan statistical area definition, rather than the polycentric combined statistical area. I will likely proceed in a few days unless there is strong objection. --Polaron | Talk 15:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Convert to English please, so that we could answer your concerns. --Moreau36 (talk) 23:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List overhaul 

message: if you look at the stats you have cities like Denver covering areas close to 10 times more than some Canadian cities like Vancouver when Vancouver could easily double its population if it did the same thing.  Toronto has 10 million people in the horseshoe area which covers an area almost the same as Chicago metro area.  By US standards Montreal would have 5 million people.
Toronto 10 million
Montreal 5 million
Vancouver 4 million
in Canada metro area is comparable to csa. that's why metro Chicago and Denver are allowed to cover areas 10 times larger than Canadian metro areas do. that has to be taken into account when putting together lists like this. A third of Canada's population (11-12 million people) lives in an area that would be included in metro areas of some US cities. To have a city like that below Houston is indicative of a problem in the list.Grmike (talk) 17:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  very biased information here 

message: I love this list!!! But it would be better maybe if it includes top 60 cities? PlatinumFire (talk) 16:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love it! 

message: This article is essentially choosing its own definitions of metropolitan areas without even being clear about how those choices are made. Among other things it states that it is using "official" definitions though since these are not legal entities, and the governments sometimes publish multiple definitions for what a given metro area is, it is not clear which definition the article is using, or what rationale it has for using this.
As a simple example, consider the New York metro area. The article states the population as 19,006,798. This would appear to be the population of the OMB-defined MSA. But there is also the OMB-defined CSA which has a population of well over 20 million. There is also the BEA-defined EA (economic area) which has a population in excess of 25 million. And none of these are legal entities nor do they have any degree of "officiality" beyond the statistics they are used for (indeed the local communities often define these areas differently).
Without clarification and a consistent methodology for determining how information in published here this article is essentially WP:OR. 
--Mcorazao (talk) 22:07, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. The best thing would be to find a single, reliable source that publishes statistics for all of these. This would be the least original research. --Mcorazao (talk) 22:09, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Census bureau doesn't classify CSAs as metropolitan areas. MSAs are what the census bureau classifies as a metropolitan area. Choosing any other definition for US metropolitan areas wouldn't be appropriate then. Elockid (Talk·Contribs) 02:20, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency 

message: In the 1990s, the L.A. area was said to have more than 17 million persons (because it included Riverside, San Bernardino, Oxnard, etc.) The current definition of an MSA is not really compatible or reflective of reality. the CMSA comes closer to being real.Ryoung122 18:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on this but the definition of a CSA isn't a metropolitan area. If we make an exception, that might cause disputes and will create inconsistencies in the article. Elockid   (Talk) 21:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I believe the Combined Statistical Area article even describes the area as a metropolitan area. It is the most expansive concept in America of the metropolitan area and is what is considered by everyday Americans as the metropolitan area. For instance, people consider the Los Angeles metropolitan area as encompassing of the Inland Empire (California) when, in fact, they are two different metropolitan statistical areas grouped under the Greater Los Angeles Area - or CSA. 08OceanBeachS.D. 18:22, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Los Angeles shortchanged

message: An image used in this article, , has been nominated for speedy deletion at Wikimedia Commons for the following reason: Copyright violations 
;What should I do?
Don't panic; deletions can take a little longer at Commons than they do on Wikipedia. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion (although please review Commons guidelines before doing so). The best way to contest this form of deletion is by posting on the image talk page.
* If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
* If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.
* If the image has already been deleted you may want to try Commons Undeletion Request
This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 12:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: File:Santa feconj.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

message: An image used in this article, , has been nominated for speedy deletion at Wikimedia Commons for the following reason: Copyright violations 
;What should I do?
Don't panic; deletions can take a little longer at Commons than they do on Wikipedia. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion (although please review Commons guidelines before doing so). The best way to contest this form of deletion is by posting on the image talk page.
* If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
* If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.
* If the image has already been deleted you may want to try Commons Undeletion Request
To take part in any discussion, or to review a more detailed deletion rationale please visit the relevant 
This is Bot placed notification, another user has nominated/tagged the image --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 20:45, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: File:CIUDAD MEXICO, DF.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

message: Does somebody knows where one can find a list of metropolitan areas by size, preferrabily in square km? Why this list doesn't have this info in the table?
--Cesarakg (talk) 00:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of metropolitan areas by area size (km²)? 

message: is listed twice. oh sheeeeit.
:Awesome city, eh? Has both 2.9 million AND 4.1 million people. Of course, the figures are a year apart, so maybe 1.2 million people moved there in 2011. Imagine the housing boom. 154.20.40.23 (talk) 08:55, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The metropolitan area has a population of 4.1 million people as of 2011, perhaps there was an expansion between these figures or they are based on a different definition. Either way, the problem should be addressed. TBrandley (T • C  • B) 16:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guatemala city 

message: I just wanted to point out issues with the numbers chosen for "Toronto."
This appears to be the citation for the Toronto figure.  As it comes from Statistics Canada, it's a reputable source and that would seemingly end debate.  http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CMA&Code1=535&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&Data=Count&SearchText=toronto&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1
This is the link that shows the map for the definition of the Toronto Metropolitan Area.  http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page_Map_Carte_Detail.cfm?Lang=E&G=1&Geo1=CMA&Code1=535&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&Data=Count&SearchText=toronto&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1&geocode=535
The problem is, as any Torontonian would tell you, a definition of a Metro Toronto area that excludes both Oshawa and Hamilton is, simply put, insane.  People reading this are unlikely to be from Toronto, so I will simply point you to this.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_Area
The simple way to handle it would be to change Toronto to "Toronto-Hamilton."  Oshawa's CMA does not meet the 10% inclusion threshold, but would also be included out of simple common sense.  This would give Toronto a metropolitan area that more closely approximates what the US Census does.  The corrected number, as listed here, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_and_Hamilton_Area) is 6,574,140.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.62.175.171 (talk) 07:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toronto 

message: :Caracas Urban area is much bigger than here says, is at least 5-6 million pepole.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.73.95.88 (talk) 23:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caracas 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on List of metropolitan areas in the Americas. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.edomex.gob.mx/poblacion/docs/2009/PDF/ZMVM.pdf
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.edomex.gob.mx/poblacion/docs/2009/PDF/ZMVM.pdf
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 06:27, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on List of metropolitan areas in the Americas. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20161113173513/http://www3.inegi.org.mx/sistemas/tabuladosbasicos/default.aspx?c=33725&s=est to http://www3.inegi.org.mx/sistemas/tabuladosbasicos/default.aspx?c=33725&s=est
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150612132512/http://www.indec.mecon.ar/ftp/cuadros/poblacion/proy_1025_depto_caba.xls to http://www.indec.mecon.ar/ftp/cuadros/poblacion/proy_1025_depto_caba.xls
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150404142938/http://www.oj.gob.gt/estadisticaj/files/poblacion-total-por-municipio1.pdf to http://www.oj.gob.gt/estadisticaj/files/poblacion-total-por-municipio1.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20151106110552/http://www.ihsi.ht/pdf/projection/Estimat_PopTotal_18ans_Menag2015.pdf to http://www.ihsi.ht/pdf/projection/Estimat_PopTotal_18ans_Menag2015.pdf
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 05:44, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on List of metropolitan areas in the Americas. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150924034241/http://www.indec.mecon.ar/ftp/cuadros/poblacion/proy_1025_depto_buenos_aires.xls to http://www.indec.mecon.ar/ftp/cuadros/poblacion/proy_1025_depto_buenos_aires.xls
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20160131052513/http://www.one.gob.do/Multimedia/Download?ObjId=6299 to http://www.one.gob.do/Multimedia/Download?ObjId=6299
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120417084852/http://notizulia.net/images/notizulia/multimedia/Tapones_Viales/Plan/Ordenanza%20de%20Contenido%20General%20del%20Plan%20de%20Desarrollo%20Urbano%20del%20Municipio%20Maracaibo.pdf to http://notizulia.net/images/notizulia/multimedia/Tapones_Viales/Plan/Ordenanza%20de%20Contenido%20General%20del%20Plan%20de%20Desarrollo%20Urbano%20del%20Municipio%20Maracaibo.pdf
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 11:51, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The Wikipedia entry for US MSA is more accurate than this list which mixes up MSA and CSA. For ex. Dallas has the MSA value and Washington DC has a source that uses CSA numbers. This entry is for "List of metropolitan areas in the Americas" so the MSA values should be used. 2603:8081:210B:AAD:F89E:1632:1339:5C7E (talk) 21:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mix up of CSA and MSA within US cities