Talk:Automatic transmission

message: There are no citations and the arguments are that there are whatever losses due to pumping and pressurizing the automatic and it is even argued that the human physical and mental power provided by gear shifting plays any considerable part. Now, anyone who has ever been in a manual and automatic car knows that 1. in manual you gear shift basically as little as possible because every time you do so it stops the entire engine transmission for the time it takes you to react, press the pedals and what not and you have to concentrate on hitting the gear correctly, 2. in a car with automatic you drive constantly on very low rpm, e.g. 2000 rpm, whereas in the same car, same engine, etc. with manual transmission you run every gear from maybe 3000 to 6000 rpm. You just cannot get anywhere near as low as the automatic can, because you just can't gear shift as often as it would be required to keep constant rpms and you can't hit the gears properly if gear shifting from very low rpm.
And that's really the main factor to energy efficiency: hitting the very optimal rpms of the engine all the time. I think that every single factor mentioned in the current section is marginal at best, if not even irrelevant or plainly wrong. Now there might be all sorts of different cars and types and engines and transmission systems, but from the ones I know that were build both as manuals and automatics, the automatics have effectively been far more fuel efficient (maybe 20-30%) opposed to reasonably driving with manual. Would be nice if someone who is more educated could correct that section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.10.28.244 (talk) 07:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  energy efficiency section = huge bogus? 

message: I just read this whole thing and I don't get how the transmission actually works, or how it can change from one gear to another.  This article is overly technical.
:Agree, I believe this page could use an overview section, as well as significantly more media (diagrams/photos) to make it easier to comprehend to the lay reader. Some of the other sections could also be organized better, see the [Differential (mechanical device)] page, for an example of what I have in mind. Rohanisaac (talk) 20:59, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a generalist article, on a topic that everyone "understands". Such articles are unworkable on WP. Even if fixed, they'll be eroded before long by people "improving" them - and of course, making sure that their own car is prominent. I try not to worry too much about them; steam engine, steam boiler, diesel locomotive, electric motor(!) - they're all near worthless. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:17, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Overly technical

message: As someone who understands how an automatic transmission works, I would say that I could not get an idea of how it works, from this article. It is not so much that the article is overly technical, as that it is poorly written, and inaccurate; it does not actually explain how an automatic transmission works, how it shifts gears, or alternatively, how it changes the ratio of engine speed to wheel speed. In fact the very first sentence is simply incorrect. Not all automatic transmissions change gear ratios. What they all do is change the ratio of engine speed to wheel speed. Very simple. It should have been the first thing that the article says. Continuously variable transmissions, a type of automatic transmission, accomplish providing a desired ratio, by changing pulley ratios, not "gear ratios." Nor do ATs allow an engine to "provide a range of range of speed and torque outputs for vehicular travel." That is simply incorrect. Rather, it is at the output of the AT, not the output of the engine, where an appropriate speed for vehicular travel is provided. The engine still provides an "inappropriate" speed at its output; but the output of the engine, still inappropriate for vehicular travel, is input to the AT; then it is at the output of the AT where the appropriate speed is provided. Perhaps it would have been much simpler to have said "It enables a vehicle's wheels turn at a rotational speed at which they provide a desired vehicle speed, while connected to an internal combustion engine, via the AT, that is turning at the relatively high rotational speed at which it needs to run, in order to provides the amount of power and torque needed to move the mass of the vehicle forward at that speed." However, although more accurate, that would not be a complete description of what an AT does. The last sentence of the first paragraph, "The number of forward gear ratios is often expressed for manual transmissions as well (e.g., 6-speed manual)" has nothing to do with automatic transmissions. It is talking about the nomenclature sometimes used in describing manual transmissions!Nomenclator (talk) 13:59, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a generalist article, on a topic that everyone "understands". Such articles are unworkable on WP. Even if fixed, they'll be eroded before long by people "improving" them - and of course, making sure that their own car is prominent. I try not to worry too much about them; steam engine, steam boiler, diesel locomotive, electric motor(!) - they're all near worthless. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:17, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Poorly Written

message: This was completed on January 5 2007 KG
It would be useful to include a section on the shifter mechanism found in automobiles with an automatic transmission.  This comes to mind as I work on D (disambiguation) and encounter "D for Drive".  I know of three main types: push-button, floor shifter (illustrated in this article) and steering column shifter.  Questions that come to mind are a) are there any other styles? and b) is "D for Drive" the same across all languages, or might it be (looking at Wiktionary) "F for Fahren" in German or "V for Vehar" in Ido (though I'd be verrry surprised to see a gear selector encoded for Ido :) ).  Thanks for thinking on this and perhaps editing it in. Regards, Courtland 02:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dodge minivan I hired on holiday in the pre-Plague era had it sticking out of the dashboard next to the instrument binnacle, a hand-span to the right of the steering wheel. Mr Larrington (talk) 10:46, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Gear selection / Shifter

message: Did you know that all Honda automatics are actually hydraulically operated manual transmissions with torque convertors in place of the clutch? The transmissions of the Chapparral race cars of the 1960's, such as the famous Chapparral 2J 'Fan Car', were similar as they used a torque convertor instead of a clutch, however the synchro-less 4-speed gearbox was manually shifted.
:I find this incredibly doubtful, to say the least.  While I'm not certain on the operations of the Chaparral gearboxes (I've heard that they were everything from simply a built-up manual valvebody TH400 to being a dog-box with a torque converter), the idea that Honda automatics are really hydraulically operated manuals (instead of planetary-gear / clutch-pack equipped automatics) is far-fetched at best.  Hydraulically operated manuals have not even been in racing use for a terribly long time, and only a handful of cars on the street use them (any Ferrari with the 'F1' designation, or the recent BMWs with the SMG transmission) as their cost is very high compared to a normal automatic. Ayocee 14:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I once possessed one of those Honda Civic semi-automatic transmission called Honda-Matic. Mine had 3 speed, 1st, 2nd, and O/D gear, alongside standard automatic transmission gear selection (P, R, N). Earlier models had only the 1st and 2nd gear. And you cannot compare Ferrari and recent BMW's to earlier cheapier Honda Civic transmissions, that's not hte same technology, and performance. Honda semi-automatic still fonction with planetary gearbox (being manually controlled doesn't mean that it should be built like a manual transmission), only that it is the driver that controls bands and clutches to achieve gear change. They should not cost more than a regular automatic transmission, and at the best they are maybe easier to build. In place on the throttle valve cable, it is the shift cable that changes gears and actuate the bands and clutches to achieve that.Warhammer38m 04:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My friend has an old Civic (70s era) and it has a automatic gear selector on the floor, but instead of a "D" it goes P N R OD 2 1. You simply go up as you drive.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.234.97 (talk) 04:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Honda used an automatically-shifted manual for several years in the 1970s & 1980s; I was doing comparison studies on them whilst an R&D engineer for General Motors. The efficiency of these ran about 1 to 2 percent less than a TH400, most likely due to pumping losses.ziggaroo  13:44, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Honda automatic

message: What are the actual failure modes for an automotive tranny? For example, a worn/slipping clutch plate will cause the torque converter to not couple properly, leading to power loss at hill climbing and/or highway speeds. This leads to the build up a lot of turbulence in the torque converter, which results in a lot of heat being dumped into the tranny. Now, every consumer brochure states that heat kills trannies, but how is it doing this? Is the high heat warping the valve body or something? Are some bearings getting blown out because hot tranny fluid can't protect them any longer ?  ??? linas 17:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failure causes?

message: By the way, what do you call a gearshift on the steering pad, instead of off of it. --PJ Pete
Marketing lingo right now seems to label them as "paddle shifters" when they are on the sides of the steering wheel. The handful of vehicles (mostly modified cars) that have shift mechanisms directly IN the steering wheel are generally just called shift buttons, or something like that. If my assumption that "steering pad" means the surface of the steering wheel... Jo7hs2 03:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: On steering wheel

message: The article sais: "In some cars (notably those sold in the US), the driver must have the footbrake depressed before the transmission can be taken out of park." Shouldn't it say pressed?Alessandro Malfatti (talk) 00:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  "Depress" doesn't mean "don't press" but rather "push or pull (something) down into a lower position : depress the lever" -- or in this case, the pedal.  --Fletcher (talk) 00:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To avoid that ambiguity, I'm going to change it to "applied".  Atlant (talk) 16:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is any ambiguity -- it is a common English word -- but I'm not going to object.--Fletcher (talk) 16:59, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Don't be silly.  Fletcher (talk) 02:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't shift from Park until you yell at your footbrake for a few minutes: Because shifting from Park requires the footbrake to be "depressed".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.234.97 (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Foot brake

message: The problem with "depress" and "depressed" is that the word has an unrelated meaning suffering from extreme sadness, a form of mental illness. 76.21.8.213 (talk) 02:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't be silly.  Fletcher (talk) 02:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't shift from Park until you yell at your footbrake for a few minutes: Because shifting from Park requires the footbrake to be "depressed".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.234.97 (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Depressed

message: In the article, is there actually a section on how the automatic transmission actually works? Or is the link at the bottom to HowStuffWorks the closest it gets? Nonagonal Spider (talk) 07:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: How it works...?

message: I don't understandand the following. Is it a bad english, bad joke or is it me? Thanks
Bang (B or I)- This allows the car to unlock and turn the sensors on some cars to allow if the drive is not engaging properly. This is used for cars that have to be careful from speeding alot of times. This is used only for the summer and fall.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drevokocur (talk • contribs) 11:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Please explain the Bang mode

message: Volkswagen Group, Mitsubishi, BMW and others using this type of transmission (pioneered commercially on the Veyron) are NOT an automatic transmission even though they will shift under the control of a computer as they have no torque converter.  They have a proper clutch, it is electronically-actuated.  So really they are a computer-controlled manual transmission are they not?
:There are at least two specific articles for 'DSG-types'.  One is the generic dual clutch transmission (DCTs) which gives an overview and lists all DTCs from all transmission manufactures and applications.  The other notable article is the Direct-Shift Gearbox - the specific Volkswagen Group DSG transmission.  Oh, and these types were not 'pioneered' on the Veyron at all - they were actually pioneered on the Volkswagen Golf Mk4 R32 in 2003. ;-)  78.32.143.113 (talk) 09:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Moreover the Veyron 'box was farmed out to Ricardo as, allegedly, Borg-Warner couldn't build one capable of handling the torque (a mate worked on it). Mr Larrington (talk) 12:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: DSG-type transmissions

message: I think the picture of the Lexus IS-F's tranny at the top of the article should be removed due to it not being an automatic at all. It is a semi-automatic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.181.11 (talk) 00:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lexus IS-F tranny photo

message: "Since these gearboxes also have a throttle kickdown switch, it is impossible to fully exploit the engine power at low to medium engine speeds[dubious – discuss][citation needed]."
I left this paragraph there. I also added somewhere the fact about the fly-wheel clutch in automatic transmission (that the engine does not slow down the car when the driver steps of the throttle) and thus more nervous usage of the brakes in cars with automatic transmission.
When DSG first came out I really liked the concept. Then I tried it and testdrove a Golf GTI. I selected manual mode and I accelerated in the first gear with full throttle (like I always do). At around 3000RPM I tried to shift to the second gear but was ignored (because of the kickdown switch) -- I thought that I had made a mistake. Later when driving in the third gear I again used full throttle and the engine downshifted by itself. Thus this gearbox was out of the question for me. 
Thus, if the driver cannot use full throttle without the engine either downshifting or ignoring an upshift command, how can the driver exploit all the available power at low to medium RPM?
I know, I could still use full throttle, if I somehow could avoid triggering the kickdown switch. But I'm unable to do so and also quite unwilling to learn to do so. This is an unnecessary problem caused by sick engineering.
I also thought about this in normal Automatic (not DSG). The engineering problem is to map a given pedal input (at a given speed) to a gear and throttle. Since lenght of pedal way in an automatic is not longer than in a manual, one would expect a stronger sensitivity of the pedal in an automatic, since in order to map all available gears for a given speed (which may be at least 3) an automatic would have to map the range of idle until full throttle at least 3 times to the available pedal way. Also there is the requirement, that given a very small difference in pedal input which may cause a downshift but which should not cause a different acceleration. Thus by this requirement alone, an automatic prevents one from using every available gears (for a given speed) together with every possible throttle input.
In general: I have the impression, that with an automatic one is unable to exploit the power of the engine at low to medium RPM. Since there is nobody testing this (by e.g. measuring acceleration from 0..100km/h with the limit of max. 3000 or 4000 RPM) I can only say this is an impression. But I think an automatic kind of trains the driver to avoid full throttle
-- and people in the US a very well "trained by there cars".
Also the sedated way of driving in the US 
(nobody uses full throttle, nobody shows off with high acceleration at speeds higher than 30mil/h, 
people simply block the highway at any speed even lower than the speed limit) 
and the competitional way of driving in Germany 
(people actually are forced by law to yield the left lane, if somebody wants to pass. 
This also and especially includes driving on uphill roads.)
and the difference in ratio of automatic to manual between US and Germany proves my point indirectly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ExcessPhase (talk • contribs) 05:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree with your analysis. Being a manual driver (French) from 16yo to 28yo, and forced to use automatics by habits of my new residence country, what you said is true. I am an engineer as well and I can recognize mechanical and logical behaviors when I see them. It is a matter of course, that an automatic with kickdown cannot let you exploit full throttle at low-to-mid RPM range. And it's just what happens. Your paragraph is quoted as dubious because Wikipedia works this way, you can't "invent" your research, wiki only accepts data that comes from elsewhere. That doesn't make what you said dubious, it's just the rules of writing here. --Lightness1024 (talk) 05:19, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  apparently, some people are putting plastic pieces under the pedal to avoid kickdown https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4300364-DSG-kickdown and they seem to mention that it's possible to still get 100% throttle. --Lightness1024 (talk) 05:36, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Absolutely agreed by all means and possible way. I drove multiple automatics with the behavior your describe, and all epicyclic ones had this stupid horrible behavior. The only "good" automatic I found is the dual clutch I've been forced by market availability to have on my current Audi A3 with DSG. It shifts almost exactly when you say so, and very quickly do so. And it locks rev between wheel and engine in a very manual-feeling way; that is very appreciable compared to the soft coupling of epicyclics. However it still suffers from the fact that you just can't floor the pedal, at any time, because it ignores all your selection in the last 2 centimeters from the floor. It also resets to full-auto after 30 seconds. The ford explorer S mode didn't reset to auto after any timeout. It was just remaining forever in your selection, until you go in a red zone, either too low or too high; but also suffered from override when flooring throttle. There is only one single thing, that could possibly invalidate that we can't use full throttle at low-mid RPM in any automatic box, it's the fact that as you surely noticed, a lot of the course of the pedal actually ends up in very little torque change, maybe none at all, even in manuals. It's possible that the mapping is already at 100% way before the floor, but can't prove it. That leeway would allow the override command to reside in this 100% region; that ends up effectively teaching auto drivers to never floor it; which is quite frustrating. And when you really have an emergency, and floor it, it gets even more infuriating due to the slow reaction time, imposed by the downshift caused. --Lightness1024 (talk) 05:19, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  DSG/manual controls for automatic transmission 

message: I sold my 2007 RS4 (which I loved) and got a 2016 Mercedes CLA250 4Matic (which I hate). This car also has a manual gearing mode -- like a DSG. But there are many problems with it. Since there are no reliable evaluations of cars anywhere to be read, I think this will be my last car with any kind of automatic. I also think that the engine computer in this Mercedes is especially tuned for the US tastes. This includes
* smart delay in the manual gearbox -- gear shifts are delayed for a second -- one upshifts at 3000RPM and ends up at 6000RPM before the shift. The gearbox remembers shift commands in the delay queue and executes them in a row. This makes the car fully uncontrollable. And this requires additional engineering (and money) to make it so.
* very rough gear shifts (dangerous) in so called sport mode making the car everything but a sports car
* automatic very much prefers higher RPMs to exploiting torque at lower RPMs which gives other people an idiot impression of my driving. The car got plenty of torque but one is unable to exploit it in automatic mode.
* computer switches back into automatic mode after 60s or so
* shift paddles turn with the steering wheel and one does not find them anymore after having negotiated a turn
I've read an evaluation of an 2017 Audi S4 at https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/04/revenge-of-the-nerds-the-all-new-2018-audi-s4-and-s5/
This evaluation contains information about a smart delay in the throttle and NO CRITIQUE of this.
: Absolutely agreed by all means and possible way. I drove multiple automatics with the behavior your describe, and all epicyclic ones had this stupid horrible behavior. The only "good" automatic I found is the dual clutch I've been forced by market availability to have on my current Audi A3 with DSG. It shifts almost exactly when you say so, and very quickly do so. And it locks rev between wheel and engine in a very manual-feeling way; that is very appreciable compared to the soft coupling of epicyclics. However it still suffers from the fact that you just can't floor the pedal, at any time, because it ignores all your selection in the last 2 centimeters from the floor. It also resets to full-auto after 30 seconds. The ford explorer S mode didn't reset to auto after any timeout. It was just remaining forever in your selection, until you go in a red zone, either too low or too high; but also suffered from override when flooring throttle. There is only one single thing, that could possibly invalidate that we can't use full throttle at low-mid RPM in any automatic box, it's the fact that as you surely noticed, a lot of the course of the pedal actually ends up in very little torque change, maybe none at all, even in manuals. It's possible that the mapping is already at 100% way before the floor, but can't prove it. That leeway would allow the override command to reside in this 100% region; that ends up effectively teaching auto drivers to never floor it; which is quite frustrating. And when you really have an emergency, and floor it, it gets even more infuriating due to the slow reaction time, imposed by the downshift caused. --Lightness1024 (talk) 05:19, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: I wrote the paragraph above

message: Just search the web for "kickdown manual mode" and one finds a few. Also there are some ECU modifications which disable the kickdown switch in manual mode. I also heard rumors that the Audi RS8 sold in Germany does disable the kickdown in manual mode.
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:EC57:7600:2989:493C:B2E:BE73 (talk) 22:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding citation of problems with the kickdown switch in manual mode

message: After discussing a possible edit at Epicyclic gearing (see Talk:Epicyclic_gearing#Switching_gears_by_use_of_pinions ) and coming to the conclusion that the info of that particular edit didn't belong there, it seems that instead, this article needs a cleanup for clarity.
In general, the headlines presently go as follows:
* 2 Automatic transmission modes
* 3 Hydraulic automatic transmissions
* 3.1 Parts and operation
* 3.2 Energy efficiency
* 3.3 History and improvements
* 4 Automatic transmission models
* 5 Continuously variable transmissions
6 Manually controlled automatic transmissions
For clarity, I propose this arrangement:
* 3 Transmissions with epicyclic gearboxes
* 3.1 Automatic transmission models --> change to "Epycyclic gearbox types"
* 3.2 Automatic transmission modes --> change to "Gear range"
* 3.3 Parts and operation 
* 3.4 Energy efficiency
* 3.5 History and improvements
* 4 Transmissions with continuously variable transmission gearboxes
* 5 Manually controlled automatic transmissions --> change to "Control of gear switching"
Allot of confusing things of the text are taken out with this setup, ie manual control for example is not possible in CVT's, so having a level one headline for this makes the whole confusing, ...
Finally, add the references from the old edit as noted at Talk:Epicyclic_gearing#Switching_gears_by_use_of_pinions, and add a much needed image (showing fluid coupling + planetary gearbox
91.182.7.40 (talk) 10:37, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm wondering whether the Adjustable-speed_drive also should be mentioned. This can be done by adding 
* 5 Transmissions with Adjustable-speed_drive gearboxes and changing the current 5 to 6
91.182.29.99 (talk) 14:50, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article lay-out

message: The section on 'Brake (B)' mode seems to imply that all non-hybrid engines use compression braking.  Petrol engines use vacuum breaking - compression braking is found on diesel engines due to their lack of a throttle butterfly to create the vacuum.  The unspecified Toyotas that have this mode may all be diesel, but I think it gives an inaccurate impression.  'Engine Braking' on it's own would be an improvement, as this covers both modes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trippy72 (talk • contribs) 06:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compression Braking vs. Vacuum Braking 

message: I don't know what things like in your respective regions/countries/space-time-coordinates, but here the term 'automatic transmission' is very ambiguous and doesn't necessarily refer to just torque converters.
In fact, torque converters are becoming increasingly rare in new vehicles here due to high CO2 tax penalties, and are giving way to CVT and MMT/DSG-type gearboxes which are generally included in the term 'automatic transmission'.
IMHO, this article should be a stub; Maybe give a summary of the broad meaning of 'automatic transmission', and then give a list of different types of autobox with links to specific articles (e.g. Torque Converter, CVT, and whatever the heck the correct term for MMT and DSG-type autoboxes are (Computer controlled clutch? Elecontrically actuated clutch and gears??))
What ya think?
77.101.174.194 (talk) 21:13, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation? 

message: "For hybrid cars, this mode converts the electric motor into a generator for the battery (Regenerative Braking)." From what I've read, this is incorrect—B mode involves engine braking and actually wastes more energy than D in most situations, and regenerative braking is mainly controlled by the brake pedal. See  and . Benny White (talk) 19:24, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  B mode 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have removed 2 citations that attribute the creation of the hydramatic transmission to brazilian inventors José Braz Araripe and Fernando Lehly Lemos. Searching for these names in google show me that the same phrases are parroted across multiple articles in both Portuguese and English mostly without any sort of reference, which heavily imply some sort of cyclic reference or that the whole thing is just heresay.
I have done a brief search for any sort of academic work that reference these guys, and the only one that came up with these names was this FYP thesis named "A TECNOLOGIA DA TRANSMISSÃO AUTOMÁTICA DE VEÍCULOS COM RELAÇÃO AO CONSUMO DE COMBUSTÍVEL" by Kléber Henrique Oliveira Holanda, which contains has the exact same paragraph that was twice present on this wikipedia article and cites as a source the this journal named "Dual clutch transmissions : Lessons learned and future potential" by Bernd Matthes as a source for this information.
Uppon scanning the article to check for any mentions of the brazilian inventors, none came up. In fact, I think it doesn't even mentions the Hydramatic transmission. Additionally, while searching for sources that might back up the statements I have removed, I have briefly seen mentions that the renowned brazilian author Paulo Coelho might have claimed in a biography that one of his relatives (which was one of the previously mentioned inventors) had sold the blueprints to GM back in the day.
I am not going to check the story past this point, but I'm confident this is either heresay or some sort of historical injustice that will never be corrected due to lack of evidence. And since both phrases have been marked for better citations since 2014, I felt it was safe to assume that are none to be provided.109.78.34.192 (talk) 21:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, one question would be between "automatic transmission" and "hydrodynamic automatic transmissions, of the form widely used for decades". Andy Dingley (talk) 21:26, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian Invention? 

message: :This article is listed as B-class but does not pass the criteria. There are 2020 "citation needed" tags and a "This section needs additional citations for verification" tag.  --  Otr500 (talk) 10:01, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article issues 

message: Show me the picture to the transmisión please 2600:8800:722B:3000:619E:3DBC:330F:AFF8 (talk) 07:56, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tacoma 2002