Talk:Members of the 1st Dáil

message: All the constituencies in Ireland, used for the 1918 general election, have the dual character of being UK Parliament constituencies and Dáil constituencies. I have set up stub articles for all the UK Parliament constituencies in Ireland 1801-1922 and I am gradually filling up the contents. I have done most of the Dublin seats so far. 
I presume we really need seperate articles for each kind of constituency. The information is likely to be similar, at least for those seats which were newly created in 1918, but not absolutely identical. Trying to combine both kinds of seat in one constituency article is going to cause confusion.
It is no doubt a little artificial to have say Dublin Clontarf (UK Parliament constituency), when its Sinn Féin MP never went to Westminster and Antrim East (Dáil Éireann constituency) when the Unionist TD would have wanted nothing to do with the Dáil. However I do not see a way around it. Each person elected had the choice of which body he or she joined, so every area was a potential constituency for both bodies.
I will attempt to convert my Dublin Parliament articles to Dáil ones. I see the Oireachtas web-site list of 1st Dáil members puts compass points after county names, instead of before (which was the official way the UK referred to county divisions). I will therefore follow this Irish source for the Dáil constituency articles. I am less keen on putting the name of borough divisions in brackets after the borough name, so I will not do that. I will follow the Oireachtas in which seats should have City or County after the name. There were fewer opportunities for confusion in 1918 than in earlier distributions of seats, so that should not be too controversial.
--Gary J 23:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: UK Parliament and 1st Dáil constituencies

message: There were a number of by-elections for seats in Ireland during the 1918-22 UK Parliament.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_by-elections_(1918%E2%80%931931)#31st_Parliament_.281919.E2.80.931922.29
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By-election      	Date                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                	Incumbent                        	Party	Party                  	Winner  	Party                                                      	Party	Cause
North Down       	21 July 1922An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	Henry Hughes Wilson              	     	John Morrow Simms      	        	Death                                                      	     	
North Londonderry	4 June 1922An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              	Hugh Thom Barrie                 	     	Malcolm Macnaghten     	        	Death                                                      	     	
North Down       	21 February 1922An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         	Thomas Watters Brown             	     	Henry Hughes Wilson    	        	Appointed to the High Court of Northern Ireland            	     	
West Down        	17 February 1922An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         	Thomas Browne Wallace            	     	Hugh Hayes             	        	Appointed Chief Clerk to the High Court of Northern Ireland	     	
South Londonderry	18 January 1922An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          	Robert Chichester                	     	Sir William Hacket Pain	        	Death                                                      	     	
South Londonderry	29 August 1921An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           	Denis Henry                      	     	Robert Chichester      	        	Appointed Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland           	     	
Mid Down         	2 July 1921An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              	James Craig                      	     	Robert Sharman-Crawford	        	Elected Prime Minister of Northern Ireland                 	     	
Mid Armagh       	23 June 1921An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	James Rolston Lonsdale           	     	Henry Bruce Armstrong  	        	Death                                                      	     	
Belfast Duncairn 	23 June 1921An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	Edward Carson                    	     	Thomas Edward McConnell	        	Appointed Lord of Appeal in Ordinary                       	     	
North Down       	23 June 1921An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	Thomas Watters Brown             	     	Thomas Watters Brown   	        	Appointed Solicitor-General for Ireland                    	     	
West Down        	23 June 1921An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	Daniel Martin Wilson             	     	Thomas Browne Wallace  	        	Appointed Recorder of Belfast                              	     	
Dublin University	28 July 1919An uncontested by-election.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             	Arthur Warren Samuels            	     	William Morgan Jellett 	        	Appointed to the Irish High Court                          	     	
East Antrim      	27 May 1919Due to the establishment of the Parliament of Northern Ireland, the number of constituencies for Northern Ireland was substantially reduced from the 1922 general election. East Antrim was absorbed into the larger two-member Antrim constituency, which at the 1922 election was won by two official Ulster Unionists.	Robert Chaine Alexander McCalmont	     	George Boyle Hanna     	Unionist	Appointed Commander of the Irish Guards                    	     	
North Londonderry	4 March 1919                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        	Hugh Alfred Anderson             	     	Hugh Thom Barrie       	        	Resignation                                                	     	
In Republican theory, were those elected at by-elections prior to the dissolution of the First Dail in May 1921 considered members/potential members of the Dail, in the same way as those elected to the same constituencies at the 1918 election had been?  Presumably, when Patrick McGilligan of Sinn Fein fought the North Londonderry by=election on 4th March 1919 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Londonderry_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections), he would have elected to sit in the Dail if he had been successful?
If so, would it make sense to add those who won by-elections prior to that dissolution as potential members of the Dail?
Alekksandr (talk) 15:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: By-elections

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!By-election !! Date !! Incumbent !! colspan=2 | Party !! Winner !! colspan=2 | Party !! Cause
|-
|North Down
|21 July 1922An uncontested by-election.
|Henry Hughes Wilson
| 
|John Morrow Simms
| 
|Death
|-
|North Londonderry
|4 June 1922An uncontested by-election.
|Hugh Thom Barrie
| 
|Malcolm Macnaghten
| 
|Death
|-
|North Down
|21 February 1922An uncontested by-election.
|Thomas Watters Brown
| 
|Henry Hughes Wilson
| 
|Appointed to the High Court of Northern Ireland
|- bgcolor=pink
|-
|West Down
|17 February 1922An uncontested by-election.
|Thomas Browne Wallace
| 
|Hugh Hayes
| 
|Appointed Chief Clerk to the High Court of Northern Ireland
|-
|South Londonderry
|18 January 1922An uncontested by-election.
|Robert Chichester
| 
|Sir William Hacket Pain
| 
|Death
|-
|South Londonderry
|29 August 1921An uncontested by-election.
|Denis Henry
| 
|Robert Chichester
| 
|Appointed Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland
|-
|Mid Down
|2 July 1921An uncontested by-election.
|James Craig
| 
|Robert Sharman-Crawford
| 
|Elected Prime Minister of Northern Ireland
|-
|Mid Armagh
|23 June 1921An uncontested by-election.
|James Rolston Lonsdale
| 
|Henry Bruce Armstrong
| 
|Death
|-
|Belfast Duncairn
|23 June 1921An uncontested by-election.
|Edward Carson
| 
|Thomas Edward McConnell
| 
|Appointed Lord of Appeal in Ordinary
|-
|North Down
|23 June 1921An uncontested by-election.
|Thomas Watters Brown
| 
|Thomas Watters Brown
| 
|Appointed Solicitor-General for Ireland
|-
|West Down
|23 June 1921An uncontested by-election.
|Daniel Martin Wilson
| 
|Thomas Browne Wallace
| 
|Appointed Recorder of Belfast
|-
|Dublin University
|28 July 1919An uncontested by-election.
|Arthur Warren Samuels
| 
|William Morgan Jellett
| 
|Appointed to the Irish High Court
|- 
|- bgcolor="#c0c0c0"
|East Antrim
|27 May 1919Due to the establishment of the Parliament of Northern Ireland, the number of constituencies for Northern Ireland was substantially reduced from the 1922 general election. East Antrim was absorbed into the larger two-member Antrim constituency, which at the 1922 election was won by two official Ulster Unionists.
|Robert Chaine Alexander McCalmont
| 
|George Boyle Hanna
|  Unionist
|Appointed Commander of the Irish Guards
|- 
|North Londonderry
|4 March 1919
|Hugh Alfred Anderson
| 
|Hugh Thom Barrie
| 
|Resignation
|- 
|}
In Republican theory, were those elected at by-elections prior to the dissolution of the First Dail in May 1921 considered members/potential members of the Dail, in the same way as those elected to the same constituencies at the 1918 election had been?  Presumably, when Patrick McGilligan of Sinn Fein fought the North Londonderry by=election on 4th March 1919 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Londonderry_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections), he would have elected to sit in the Dail if he had been successful?
If so, would it make sense to add those who won by-elections prior to that dissolution as potential members of the Dail?
Alekksandr (talk) 15:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: [[MPs elected in the United Kingdom general election, 1918|31st Parliament]] (1919–1922)