Talk:Zune/Archive 2

message: Now that all articles have been sorted in regards to actually getting to the pages (What a mess, it was), we can start focusing on normal Wikipedia concerns. Are there any suggestions for the name of this Microsoft Zune article? I do not think it should be left alone, because it's not technically called "Microsoft Zune", Microsoft is only running the project. I think it should be either "Zune (Media device)" or "Zune (Media product)". Bear in mind that Zune is all three things: a player (like iPod), a service (like iTunes Music Store) and the software (like iTunes). --Mambo Jambo 10:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we shouldn't put to much effort into the name until Microsoft releases a press kit with an official name. For now, Microsoft Zune will do. — Alex (T|C|E) 13:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose you're right, actually. Yeah, everything's good then. --Mambo Jambo 14:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename Microsoft Zune article 

message: I was of the belief this player would be made in a partnership with iRiver, am I wrong?
Are they just going to licence the tech to iRiver? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.194.13.101 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 23 July 2006
The announcement today that Toshiba is manufacturing the Zune player should lay this one to rest. psycler 20:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  iRiver Partnership 

message: What should be in (IMHO) as an interesting bit of trivia is that "zune" apparently sounds like Hebrew for "fuck" or "screw". It's bound to have an impact on marketing and on the introduction campaigns these days, though they won't rename the product since MS is essentially setting up everything for release. For sourcing, just try Google or whatever searching for zune and hebrew. Dysmorodrepanis 17:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is as relevant as "Vista" meaning "hen" in Latvian.  — Alex (T|C|E) 14:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Or "Sega" means "masturbate" in Italian.
I am french-canadian and I never heard of a so-called zune word meaning penis, there's zizi and dine but zune? nope. Lotheric 01:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming of the MS product

message: Is it? PureLegend 15:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  -/- Warren 19:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Zune [[PlaysForSure]]? 

message: Will Zune offer 60GB or possibly more models? 24.200.123.174 21:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zune different models? 

message: I moved the article to Toshiba 1089, and I realized after the move that I should've just left it alone and started a new article on the device, and leave the "Zune" article to talk about the project on a whole. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CanesOL79 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 25 August 2006  (UTC)
:No problem, though I'd be careful about starting a new article, especially when this one is thin as it is. Dancter 18:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My bad, guys 

message: "The Zune is currently under production at the Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Washington."
Uhhh, considering the device is being built by Toshiba, I find this statement to be very difficult to believe. Yes, I am aware that the MS blogger made this claim, but I think it's basically untrue. Yes/no? Maury 20:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Software portion is most definitely under production at Redmond, right? Duffy 01:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  A more accurate description would be that it's under development. Technology products undergo development. Production is the manufacturing part... and they definitely don't manufacture these babies in Redmond. 11:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Under production? 

message: Anybody have a clue on how this is pronounced? I mean, since Microsofts marketing dept. have ran Coming Zune, I suppose it would be pronounced like "Soon" but with a Z sound instead. Anyone else?(Cloud02 17:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Listen to any recent podcast from a gadget blog and you'll be able to hear it mentioned at least once.. your assumption was correct, it's "Zoon" 11:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Move article to plain Zune.  Overwhelming majory of readers will be looking for the music player, once it's released by a factor of millions to one I'd guess.  GUI toolkit can be disambiged at top of Zune page without harm to anyone.  It is of very limited interest compared to the music player.  This has been a matter of contention since July at least.Fourdee 03:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested Move 

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*  Support. After thinking about it, sure, why not? The GUI toolkit article doesn't get much traffic anyway. — Alex (T|C|E) 04:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: * I do see where you are coming from regarding its unreleased nature, hadn't really looked at it that way.  Seems very unlikely that it will not be released though, in light of the official announcement by Microsoft and the fact that it's already being manufactured.  If by same rather bizarre turn of events it were not released or were released under a different name we could always move it again...  Dunno.  I notice that Microsoft Zune is article number 860 out of all of Wikipedia according to WikiCharts.  Where's the toolkit ranked? Fourdee 17:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Since the author of the source listed for this criticism later retracted his claim I am removing this comment from the article.  24.17.165.124 02:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creative Commons Criticism 

message: Digital Rights Management will definately not hold for long at all. I am buying one when this comes out, I hope I will be able to use music from my cd's etc without stupid anti-piracy protection. Anyways, even if the drm does stop you from using p2p music, it will be cracked/homebrewed fast. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.49.202.50 (talk) 22:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are very few programs that DRM songs you rip from CDs. Windows Media Player doesn't, and I seriously doubt they'll start now. Also, please sign your posts (--~~~~) in future. Thanks :-). —JeremyBanks Talk 22:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DRM 

message: So does anyone think there might be a connection with Sirus, or is this picture just edited?
http://i18.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/3f/a6/70_1.JPG
: I'm 99% sure it's a fake... both from a graphic designer's viewpoint and from what I know of Zune and Sirius. I believe this was discussed on Engadget... there are always rumored talks about satellite radio providers and portable media players getting in bed together. Sirius has their own line of licensed players... and there's definitely nowhere in the Zune (at least this generation) to fit such functionality. But hey, I could be wrong... take such pictures with a grain of salt though. Underthefade 11:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible connections with Sirius? 

message: For the record, the "3-Day, 3-Play" rule applies to ALL wirelessly-shared music files, whether or not they are wrapped in DRM protection. The limitation is built into the software of the device itself, and doesn't physically (or digitally) change anything in the music files. There has been a lot of confusion on this issue, because some critics claim Microsoft is adding DRM to files, while Microsoft has defended itself by (truthfully) claiming that the music files remain intact and unaltered. But the end result is the same: DRM-free music is still subject to the "3-Day, 3-Play" rule. BJ Nemeth 01:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are technically correct. That is, non-DRM MP3 files remain "unprotected." HOWEVER, the 3-day, 3-play rule doesn't rely on any protection of the file itself. The rule is enforced by the software running on the Zune device itself. If someone wirelessly transfers a song to you, the Zune doesn't do anything to that file. But after the Zune shows that 3 days have expired or it has been played 3 times, the music file (regardless of DRM) will "expire" and be unplayable. BJ Nemeth 20:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So if I send an MP3 file to someone and it remains unchanged, can't I open the file from the drive and copy it to my computer then copy it to the Zune Browser? Utils 04:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3-Day, 3-Play Rule for Shared Songs 

message: In the specs area, a reference to the DefectiveByDesign.org campaign was there ("Enhanced Defective by Design") so I have changed it to the more correct "Support for DRM".
Timothyrogers 18:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DefectiveByDesign.org Vandalism 

message: When the Zune is officially released on Tuesday, November 14th, this article will quickly go through a lot of changes. I thought it might be helpful to prepare a list of suggestions in advance. 
* Obviously, all uses of the future tense ("The Zune WILL be released on ...") should be changed to the past tense ("The Zune WAS released on ...").
* That would be a good time to separate this article into several separate articles. One should definitely be created for the "Zune Marketplace." It might be worthwhile to create separate articles for "Zune (Device)" and "Zune (System)" as well. One would cover Microsoft's entire Zune operation (including the player, software, and marketplace), while the other would just cover the physical product itself. This is made more confusing by the fact that Microsoft is using "Zune" to mean different things. 
* I think rumors about future features should be dropped from the article as the product becomes public. There are some things that rise above rumor status, however. When one of the Zune engineers specifically stated that podcast support was coming soon, that should be included in the article. But an offhand comment about a Zune phone coming "someday" doesn't seem appropriate. 
Those are my thoughts on this article as we approach the release date. Any other comments? BJ Nemeth 04:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Changes to This Article on Nov. 14