Talk:Jack Aubrey

message: Added list of ships commanded - references etc to come soon Duncan 21:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of ships

message: Isn't Aubrey's name actually Jonathan?  I seem to remember that Jack is just his nickname, and that he signed his letters "Jonathan" or "Jon."?  Akerkhof 04:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the 19th century, Jno is an abbreviation for John. It seems odd to need an abbreviation for so short a name, but that was the fashion. I base my remark on a man born 1860, birth certificate shows John as do other legal documents, but his signature was invariably and clearly Jno. There is no instance in the books where his name is spelled out as Jonathan, so he is John or Jack. Unfortunately, many of the readers of audio books think his signature to a letter, Jno in text, should be read out as Jonathan, which is confusing.  --Prairieplant (talk) 03:51, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Jonathan or Jack?

message: The citation needed for O'Brian's picturing of Charlton Heston as Jack can be found here:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0DEFDD143AF933A05752C1A9659C8B63 Not sure how to do the cite properly myself. PrePressChris (talk) 18:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Charlton Heston as Jack

message: I know "21" refers to HMS Suffolk as Aubrey's flagship, but Aubrey's orders at the end of Blue at the Mizzen state that Aubrey is to raise his flag in HMS Implacable, not HMS Suffolk.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.233.238 (talk) 19:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the time period, it was common for an Admiral to shift their flag as convenient, and the time delay often meant that orders sent to South America could be very different from the actual state of affairs halfway round the world. It's certainly not beyond possible that the Implacable had gone elsewhere by the time Aubrey arrived, replaced by Suffolk, or that the Suffolk arrived and was the more powerful unit on the station. Implacable could even have been in for repairs or similar... there are potentially dozens of reasons an Admiral would raise his flag in a ship other than the one originally ordered Audigex (talk) 17:33, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Flagship

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replies: text: Image removed, as it isn't necessary to understand the subject of the page, and is irrelevant to the novels themselves. --Badger151 (talk) 04:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Masterandcommanderposter.jpg

message: Besides reaching the peak of naval skills and authority, Aubrey is presented as being interested in mathematics and astronomy, a great lover of music and player of the violin, a hearty singer and is generally accompanied by his friend and shipmate Stephen Maturin on the cello. He is noted for his mangling and mis-splicing of proverbs, sometimes with Maturin's involvement, such as “Never count the bear’s skin before it is hatched” and “There’s a good deal to be said for making hay while the iron is hot.” [3]
The preceeding paragraph is repeated in both the lead and the Career and characteristics depicted in the novels sections, I'm not sure which is more appropriate, but one should be deleted: I suggest the lead? Audigex (talk) 17:41, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead should indicate what the article will say, so I think there is nothing wrong with having it in both places. It is well-written and concise. Many lead sections use a sentence or two directly from the article. The lead is a summary of the article, pointing out what makes the article noteworthy.  --Prairieplant (talk) 04:02, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeated paragraph 

message: The "Ships commanded..." section here has a list of ships, whose names are linked to articles of Royal Navy ships of the period. First of all, is there a source which marries up these names to the ships linked; and second, as we are talking about a fictional character, is it reasonable to state that he commanded any of them?
It also lists HMS Surprise, which links to HMS Surprise (1796); as we have a title for HMS Surprise (O'Brian novels) (which, in any event, is not the same ship as HMS Surprise (1796); different rating, different history) I've taken the liberty of changing the links to Surprise here, and in the book articles, to this title. I trust everyone is OK with that. Swanny18 (talk) 02:39, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ship links 

message: Who is "Queeney"?  Aubrey's mother is Queeney? If so, please say that.  And she died when Aubrey was a boy, but she came back later and married someone other than his father????  The article currently has:Aubrey's mother died when he was a boy. His father General Aubrey lives a longer life, and is a character in some of the novels, often working against the career interest of his son with clumsy politics. In Master and Commander, Aubrey describes the efforts of "Queeney" to teach him some Latin and the mathematics associated with a sailing ship and its navigation so that he could pass his examination for lieutenant. Her family had occupied Damplow, a house adjoining General Aubrey's estate ("they were almost in our park").[5]Queeney returns into Aubrey's life when she marries Lord Keith. Lord Keith gave him his promotion to master and commander and his first command. Queeney is the historic Hester Maria Elphinstone, Viscountess Keith, and in her mother the reader will recognize the historic Hester Thrale.[5]
Some rewording, at least, is needed. --Doncram (talk) 00:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Queeney is not his mother and the text does not say that. I added the phrase "slightly older neighbor" before the first use of her name, and wiki linked her name at its second use. She is a character based on a real woman who excelled at mathematics, and later in her life married a high ranking naval officer, but you can read all that at the wiki link, especially as you did not catch that she married Lord Keith in the text you quoted. I hope that suffices for you, and you understand that poor Jack was raised by his nutty father and learned enough mathematics from his kind, female neighbor who was good in mathematics. That she lived in Damplow might have given you a clue that she was not his mother. --Prairieplant (talk) 00:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Prairieplant, your revision helps. --Doncram (talk) 04:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queeney?