Talk:Roger Stone

message: I'll raise the question about using Netflix as a source at WP:RS, it seems to me that it should be treated like a book. NadVolum (talk) 07:39, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @NadVolum; appreciated, thanks. I'll join the discussion over there. 49ersBelongInSanFrancisco (talk) 04:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Netflix documentary as a source 

message: Requesting that the lead image be changed to a recent picture taken by Gage Skidmore at this year's Turning Point Action Conference. The other image is a low quality copy from the Associated Press, which does not use a Creative Commons license. TaurusEmerald (talk) 16:57, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead image 

message: * "acknowledged", "pointed to": these are words to watch - see MOS:SAID: "Said, stated, described, wrote, commented, and according to are almost always neutral and accurate".
* "deny" is a word to watch - see wp:Words_to_watch
* First change: "two sources close to Stone, former Trump aide Sam Nunberg and a person speaking on condition of anonymity, acknowledged to The Washington Post that Stone had established contact with WikiLeaks owner Julian Assange" --> "two sources close to Stone, former Trump aide Sam Nunberg and a person speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Washington Post that Stone had claimed to have made contact with Julian Assange". 
: This change was explained in the earlier section.  The source says "one of two Stone associates who say Stone claimed to have had contact with Assange in 2016".
* Second change: "According to Nunberg, who claimed he spoke to the paper after being asked to do so by Special Counsel Robert Mueller" -—> "According to Nunberg, Special Counsel Robert Mueller had asked him to recount Stone's description of the telephone call with Assange". 
: Compare this with the source, which says "Sam Nunberg, said in an interview Monday that Stone told him that he had met with Assange — a conversation Nunberg said investigators for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III recently asked him to describe". Nunberg isn’t saying Mueller told him to talk to the Washingppost. Mueller was asking Nunberg to tell him (Mueller) about the conversation. The source later says "Nunberg told The Post that the questions he was asked by Mueller’s investigators indicated to him that the special counsel is examining statements Stone has made publicly about WikiLeaks".
* Third change: "Stone joked to him that he had taken a trip to London to personally meet with Assange, but declined to do so, had only wanted to have telephone conversations to remain undetected and did not have advance notice of the leaked emails”  —>  "Stone said Nunberg had called him and asked about his plans for the weekend and Stone had replied he was travelling to London to visit Assange as "a throwaway line to get [Nunberg] off the phone" “. 
: The original text is difficult to understand and is wrong in a number of ways here. I can't see the source for the phrase "but declined to do so, had only wanted to have telephone conversations to remain undetected". In the conversation, Stone does not say "he had taken a trip to London”. He says “he was travelling to London to visit Assange”. The fictitious trip was taking place in the future, not the past. Secondly, Nunberg does not say Stone joked to him. In fact Nunberg says “he did not take the comment as a joke”. It is Stone who describes the statement as "a joke, a throwaway line to get him off the phone".
Burrobert (talk) 04:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: why is this in a second topic? Softlemonades (talk) 04:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I made two separate edits that were reverted. I have created a separate topic for each edit. There is some overlap in the subject. Burrobert (talk) 04:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  ok thank you for explaining, i had trouble understanding Softlemonades (talk) 04:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Burrobert (talk) 04:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There's really no reason to deal with these 2 edits in 2 separate sections. So why don't we shorten this WP:TEXTWALL into a single thread. Feel free to redact or combine your own posts. Andre🚐 05:13, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: you can remove my replies if you combine threads Softlemonades (talk) 05:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it will become unwieldy if we change things now. Why not deal with the first reverted edit above, then deal with this one. Burrobert (talk) 06:03, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already unwieldy now. Andre🚐 06:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

text: There does not appear to be much interest in this. I am going to start slowly reintroducing the changes mentioned above. Please raise any concerns here. Burrobert (talk) 01:59, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Any concerns so far? Burrobert (talk) 02:10, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The changes seem minor to me Andre🚐 02:31, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct. Thought it would be safer to start with the less controversial ones. More changes to come.  Burrobert (talk) 02:42, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stone and Assange - redux