Talk:HIM (Finnish band)/Archive 1

message: Under the genre list it claims HIM has been called Psychadelic Rock, with no citation. Being a fan of HIM I know that none of their songs even slightly resemble that style of genre. It's like calling N'Sync heavy metal.
: HIM songs are psychedelic they are a little mixture of everything.
It's been deleted. Iwhaiwnfi 23:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Psychadelic Rock?

message: The fact is the band's original name was (His Infernal Majesty). This is actualy fairly wellknown fact among Finnish music circles. Of course the most authorative and primary sources are Finnish, but that can't be helped. First, a festival performer list from 1997 which show the band's name asHis Infernal Majesty (HIM), and here's an article from one of Finland's biggest magazines on popular music - Rumba. Here's the relevant text in Finnish:
:HIM eli entiseltä nimeltään His Infernal Majesty näki päivänvalon melko tarkalleen neljä vuotta sitten, mutta...
:...siinä oli ihan eri jätkät mukana silloin, Ville kertoo. Bändin nimi syntyi silloin ja silloin mä aloin myös tekemään biisejä. Ja laulamaan. Se oli kyllä ihan eri bändi, musiikillisesti ja muutenkin.
This is my translation (to my best ability):
:HIM, formelly His Infernal Majesty saw sunligh roughly four years ago, but...
:...there were different gyus back then, Ville tells. Band's name was born then and I started to write songs. And to sing. It was a different band musically and othervise, tough.
As for the quote from the official site - it didn't prove or disprove anything. The current situation was restated, which is that currently the name is just HIM.
- The Merciful 19:32, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: On the band's name

message: WikiProject Albums actively defends following statements:
* Separating album articles from band articles
* Not adding dab tags if there is no other encyclopedic use of the album title
For this reason and accomplishing WikiProject Albums' recomendations, a structural revert of Samuel J. Howard's changes to HIM (band) and all albums will take place in less than 48 hours if no counter-argument is posted below. 
KeyStorm 14:16, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why were albums merged to the band page? 

message: I removed the startistics section for two reasons:
#It tells dupliacate information that can be already found in the first lines of the article.
#It presented several inconsistencies with the real facts and the facts written above.
--KeyStorm 20:40, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics section removal 

message: Is HIM is or are? We have "As of 2005, HIM are currently..." and at the top "HIM is an alternative rock band"
Which one is it? 213.106.80.27 19:52, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro noun? 

message: I'm sorry, but Type O Negative is NOTHING similar to HIM, so I took them off the Similar Bands list. Ladysway1985 00:12, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similar Bands 

message: Even though Ville calls HIM love metal, a legimitimate genre of music would make more sense than a genre made up by the band itself. unless there is a big genre that i am totally unaware of, change it to something with a genre that has more than HIM (i recommend goth rock). if u give me a few more bands proving that this is a real genre
-panasonicyouth99 12:45, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: HIM claims to be "love metal", but thier actual genre is alternative metal, not alternative rock. DGX 13:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because you say it has "no elements" of metal in it doesn't automatically place it under the alternative rock genre. Alternative metal is a mixture of both alternative rock and heavy metal. And the lead singer for HIM describes themselves as a "love metal" band. Although that doesn't exist, they use the word metal which solidifies my statement. DGX 17:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Love Metal?

message: Someone keeps adding a "first ever duo vocalist Jeremy Earliwine" to the list of members.  I googled "Jeremy Earliwine" and got nothing involving HIM (other than mirror sites for Wikipedia with the same text I've edited), nor have I heard anything in regards to this on any media, so I'm removing the name until such a time that someone can produce factual evidence in support of this.
Blackball135 22:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding random people 

message: its been replaced by a picture of superman petting a dog.... why?el sand bag 20:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture of the heartagram 

message: Not adding much information; mostly cleaning up the article by reorganizing the existing information and rewording things for clarity. This is the first significant edit of an article I've done, and if any of the changes I made need to be changed back, I understand.
I didn't verify any existing information, and some of it could use citations. Regarding the final sentence in the fourth paragraph ("...Ville Valo has stated that HIM is not a Satanic band"), I think it might be helpful to cite a direct quote, especially since that tends to be the subject of much of the vandalism to this article. The quote earlier in the same paragraph, about what the heartagram stands for, could use a citation as well. I'll look into both of those if no one gets to it before I do.
I did check the cross-references to make sure the links go to the right articles, but I may have missed a few.
Helfaery 08:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  12 June 2006 edit (Helfaery) 

message: I don't see why there should be a problem listing the band's genre as Rock music if the particular subgenre cannot be decided on.  Also, check out what Allmusic.com has to say about the subject.  WesleyDodds 21:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: I removed the looping redirects from the main article—those that link from band members' names, to an article with that name, which redirects back to the main article. It seemed like the sensible thing to do, but I can change it back if necessary. The redirect pages still exist; they are:
*Migé Amour
*Emerson Burton
*Gas Lipstick
*Zoltan Pluto
It makes sense to have the redirect pages for search purposes, I suppose, and in case other articles link to them; but I don't think it's necessary to link them from the article to which they ultimately redirect. —Helfaery 19:06, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirects 

message: Okay from what i can tell everyone is bitching about trival stuff like the genre af the band. I think we can all agree HIM is kick ass so why is it we are woried about the genre?
I mean the critics ALLWAYS get that kind of stuff wrong (if you dont belive me go to the against me page. FOLK PUNK!!! WTF!!!!) any ways why waste time bitching when we could be rocking out to some kick ass music!!
--Razor romance 16:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason that there is debate and not praise is: We are an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Also folk punk is a fusion genre of Punk Rock and Folk Music much like Folk Metal is a fusion genre of Heavy Metal and Folk Music. --Wildnox 16:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  STOP THE VIOLENCE!!! 

message: I think we should have more pics of the band. N-E one else think so. we sshold talk about thisRazor romance 13:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LAYOUT 

message: Hey, Im a casual listener of HIM, but that really doesnt matter because, like previously stated, this is an encyclopedia cite based on sources and referencds and not opinions.  An idea I propose to solve the genre dispute would be to say that HIM's music contains various elements from various types of music, much like how the genre is described in The Smashing Pumpkins article.
HIM contains elements of Romanticism, Nihilism and Existentialism found in Goth Rock. They definitely have at least SOME metal influence because it is noticable.  I personally dont listen to Goth Metal much and the only Goth Metal bands that Ive listened to more than rarely are Lacuna Coil and Type O Negative.  I looked at the List of gothic metal bands and didnt know any of the others really. Theyre definitely somewhat similar to the two aforementioned bands, the trouble is finding a good source(every one I find has notable flaws, namely comparisons to bands that do not sound at all similar; Chief among them being Aiden)  They also contain influences of Heavy Metal and/or Doom Metal.  Valo has said that HIM started out as a Black Sabbath cover band if I recall and Sabbath is definitely a metal band, so there is at least partial influence. Also, HIM had more Metal influence in their earlier albums whereas it is not as apparent(but clearly still there) in their latter two releases.  Love Metal isnt a REAL genre of music, or at least it isnt yet.  Perhaps in a decade or so it could become one like so many other genres developed.  Thats how Goth Rock came about...
Generally HIM's music contains low toned down verse and generally louder explosive choruses.  This is somewhat characteristic of Alt rock.
Ok my proposition to solving this would be to put in something like this:
***HIM's sound can be described as a combination of melodic romantic lyrics, downtoned verse and explosive choruses containing elements of Goth Rock, Goth Metal, and Alternative Metal. 
Or something similar.  Feel free to aid me with the wording seeing as Im not exactly the best at expressing my meanings and conceptions into words. Lamentingvampire09 11:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Love metal does not exist as a genre, one lone band does not a genre make. --Wildnox 01:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: You cant say that it is a mix of various genres without having a source to back that up. Copysan 03:28, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, we can find several sources if need be.  Im not in the mood to look right now, but I will look later over the weekend. Lamentingvampire09 06:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Genre Dispute Solution

message: Everyone has had some verry intersting points about the genre dispute but no one (including myself)) has offerd a well-thought out solution to the problem....until recently by Lementingvampire09. i whole heartedley agree with him. i think yhat under the "genre controvsey"section it should read HIM's genre is widely debated in that it contains manny elements of goth rock, heavy metal,(insert any outher genres i missed here)Ville, the lead singer has proposed that this unique sound that is HIM is something he calls LOVE METAL,
I would have gone ahead and done it myself but for something this important to the page ang the people i felt it needed sugesting.Razor romance 13:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't think the other stuff if needed, but I do think that Valo calls the band's genre Love Metal is worth a mention in that section. --Wildnox 13:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still Fighting?WHY NOT A SOLUTION?