Talk:Ice Hockey World Championships

message: While Russia is the core state of the former USSR, I dont think Cezch Republic should be called the core state of Czechoslovakia as it is the case in the article. Former Czechoslovakia - 15 million people - 10 czech, 5 slovak  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.127.73.63 (talk) 18:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Czech republic the core state of Czechoslovakia

message: Are missing, did they (olympics) count as world championships?
:No, they didn't. While, e.g., 1956,1960,1964,1968 did, according to my source. Cmapm 00:43, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 1980 and 1984

message: The IIHF only lists championships starting at 1920. Should the pre-1920 championships be listed here? Abelsson
:Those would be European championships --  Earl Andrew - talk 20:17, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the European championships should be moved to a page of its own. John Anderson 10:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No, there are just one tournament which is called World Championships. While its importance is debateable, it is still the only World Championships. John Anderson 10:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre 1920?

message: I noticed Ajshm changed my latest edit when I put a sup1 next to every year the Olympics also counted as the Worlds. I intentionally put it next to the year so you could easily see which winners were also Olympic winners. Having it in the venue column where it already says "(Olympic)" doesn't make much sense to me. I suggest changing it back, but I don't want to do it if Ajshm is just going to change it again. So, what do others think? --Sarke 00:06, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think both look pretty silly, one just looks sillier than the other. Besides the notes do not have to be footnotes. How about a different approach, like shading the boxes of the olympic years? --Ajshm 09:17, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Shading is a good idea, but something subtle. Although I thought the sup1 next to the year was subtle... --Sarke 09:36, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  What about placing next to/before Olympic years a little image of an Olympic flag :-)? If no one agrees, shading looks also nice for myself (although it shoud be explained somewhere in the article, what does it mean). Cmapm 16:30, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympic years 

message: the medals of Czechoslovakia are usually added to Czech republic (because most of the players of Czechoslovakia were from Czech part of the country). Or could be added Czech republic + Czechoslovakia and Slovakia + Czechoslovakia. The reason is that Czechoslovak hockey is much more succesful than Sweden´s and it should be seen from the chart.
:Then Russia's medals should be added to medals earned by the USSR, as most of players were from Russia. I don't support such changes. But I think, that number of tournaments the country played in should be added into the table. Canada played in most of the tournaments since 1920, while USSR played just in the ones after 1954. Similar situation is with Czechoslovakia's performance compared to Sweden's. Cmapm 18:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  medals Czechoslovakia and Czech republic 

message: Please could someone who knows this subject check I reverted back to a 'clean' version of this page (i.e. the best one so far). Also if you do know the subject please could you add this page to your watchlist to check for subtle vandalism. Thanks. --Petros471 19:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: This pages is somewhat long, I think the Junior Championships should be split off into a separate page, like the Women have. 67.68.64.37 11:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the juniors should be split off.  I think each tournament, mens, womens, U20, U18 should each  have it's own article.  Of course there would be links from each so that the interested reader can find the information they want. -- Jeff3000 18:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have split if up to Ice Hockey World Junior Championships. -- Jeff3000 03:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split off the Juniors 

message: Dear author,
the problem of your article is that you`re distinguishing in the medal tables between the USSR and Russia. This leads to a deformation of the medal tables - Russia seems to be as succesful as f.e. the UK. BUT:
1) The owherwhelming majority of the players of the USSR-Team was Russian.
2) Russia is the official succecor state of the USSR, in each aspect!
I would suggest you to melt the USSR and Russia succeses in the medal table but with a special comment. This would increase the objectivity and neutrality of this article. Or ist this article written by a Canadian? :-)
:If you don't like it, fix it. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Russia is a new country. There is no aberration. An aberration would be if USSR's stats were lumped with Russia, then it would appear as if Russia won more medals than the number of years it has existed as a country. 132.205.45.110 21:04, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a very interesting point that Konstantin makes.  Under international law, when a new state is formed, it may or may not be designated as the successor in title to a previous country.  If Russia is the official successor to USSR, perhaps it is the sporting successor as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.56.76.140 (talk) 19:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But I believe the IIHF considers them to be the successor team (as they do with the Czech Republic for Czechoslovakia (and, previously, Bohemia).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.210.157.14 (talk) 10:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unintended Deformation of the Statistic 

message: There seems to be some controversy about the medal table I added a while back. Here are a few points I'd like to make:
- Separate countries should have separate counts (e.g. USSR/Russia, Czech Rep./Czechoslovakia, Germany/West Germany) because combining them would skew the results. If we start combining the USSR and Russian totals then we need to consider doing the same for the Czech Rep. and Slovakia, etc. Combining the medal totals would be just as, if not more, misleading because the USSR and Russia have had vastly different success for example. We'd be making Russia (as an independent country) look better than it actually is. The fact is that Russia has only won this many medals, stating otherwise would be misleading. It also wouldn't be fair to the other countries involved because Russia or the Czech Rep. for example would be taking sole credit for something that they didn't win on their own. 
Leaving the results separate will allow people to make their own minds up about how they want to view it. I will however add a few notes about the Russia/USSR totals and other similar situations to try to minimise any controversy.
- Sorting. The two ways that make sense to me is to sort either by total medals or by gold medals, then silver, then bronze. Since gold > silver I am in favour of sorting it by gold medals first (this is usually how Olympic medals are sorted too). An example of this would that Sweden would be ranked second ahead of the USSR if it was sorted by totals, it is clear that the USSRs 22 gold medals show them as more successful than Sweden (even though I'm Swedish I favour this). Another example is the Czech Republic compared to the US.
- I am in favour of adding the number of tournaments participated in (as previously mentioned) so it's easier to see each countries success, and I will do that now.
Sarke 00:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medal tables 

message: The super script says Canada got the bronze in 1964, but the table lists just Czechoslovakia.
Also, I ent to iihf.com, and it doesn;t show Canada as medaled in 1964
-- Mre5765 03:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1964 

message: I've put together stubs for West and East Germany, but I can't find complete standings
on the web. Just the pool A standings, and both Germanies sometimes were dropped
from pool A.
Is anyone thinking of having more detailed resuls as each Olympics has?
-- Mre5765 03:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know the English ones. A good Russian source is, for example . Cmapm 18:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  where are people finding the complete world champ standings? 

message: First, entries "USSR+Russia", "Czechoslovakia+Czech Republic" are confusing and irrelevant IMHO (it's a simple arithmetics to get those numbers). Second, USSR had 15 republics, which are now separate states, not only Russia, therefore writing "USSR+Russia" is IMHO unfair to other former Soviet Republics. Cmapm 18:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple entries in the table

message: You have argued about "USSR+Russia" and "Czechoslovakia+Czech Republic" entries in medal tables, but the one that irritates me is listing West Germany separately from Germany. Why? The country known as "West Germany" is officially Federal Republic of Germany which was founded in 1949 and is still in excistence. The "West German" medals from 1953 and 1976 olympics should be added with German ones. East Germany should stay in it's own column because that country and the East German hockey federation membership in IIHF ceased to exist in 1990. They didn't get any medals though.
Of course Germany only has medals from pre-WWII championships besides that of 1953, but as long as some of you are stating that it's "unfair to some nationalities to unite/separate statistics", the thing is that these are all Germans. 
I like to organize my statistics thinking that while these international tournaments are dubbed as "competitions between nations" the goverment teams aren't playing, the ice hockey association teams do. So when Germany is on the ice, it's the team appointed by Deutcher Eishockey-Bund (which was established in 1963 and took the place of its predecessor in the IIHF). There was no change in 1990, the DEB is still a member and sending German teams to competitions. And when the IIHF announces that Ice Hockey Federation of Russia is taking the place of Soviet federation in world championships I dub in my statistics the Russians as Soviets "heirs" and add those up. There are good points against at the Russian case, but the German one is clear: Germany 1909-present and DDR 1949(whenever the hockey federation joined)-1990.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilder (talk • contribs) 
:Why can't we just have Germany instead of a bunch of different entries... --HJV 22:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer it added in as well, though I'd prefer the 1953 medal earned listed as West Germany in the table, and a footnote or something in the end noting that Germany's medals include West Germany. Lejman 10:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  But what about the Germans? 

message: The venue column should have the flag of the venue country. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.115.196.175 (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, good idea. John Anderson 07:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Venues 

message: I notice that in the section of winnters for the IIHF World Champions, Team Canada links by default to the National Men's team, when it actuality it was a senior team from Canada representing the whole country. For example the Whitby Dunlops in 1958, and the Belleville McFarlands in 1959. Does anyone have a complete list we can wikilink? Flibirigit (talk) 17:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well technically, those teams became the National Team. -Djsasso (talk) 17:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am aware of that. However, the team should be mentioned somewhere as reprsenting Canada. Flibirigit (talk) 17:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Would that not be on the team's page? -Djsasso (talk) 03:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Listing that accomplishment only on a team's page would not be a complete list. We need either a category of "hockey clubs" that have represented Canada, or a list. A pseudo-list exists at the Allan Cup article for the senior champions of Canada, and the Canada national men's ice hockey team article lists "hockey clubs" from 1930 to 1963. However, the "Canada national men's ice hockey team" article makes no specific mention of of when "hockey clubs" started or stopped representing Canada in place of individuals selected to form a team. I will also raise that point on its talk page. For the World Championships article itself, and the Ice Hockey at the XXXX Winter Olympics articles, there should be mention of not only "Team Canada" but the "hockey club" itself. Flibirigit (talk) 03:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IIHF World Champions 

message: Why has Russia scored so badly since Soviet fell? The team only changed the name in participations to Russia, nothing remarkabled happened, so why have they been scoring so bad?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.136.7.139 (talk) 22:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Russia?

message: I think the IIHF European Championship table history should be deleted from the article, because the European championship existed til the year of 1991. The year of 1992 til present has only been dominated by the World Champs and minor competitions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.136.7.139 (talk) 11:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.177.210 (talk) 23:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved the table to a new article, Ice Hockey European Championships. --Kildor (talk) 08:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: IIHF European Championships

message: I plan or creating sucession boxes and categories for the championship final venues.  Any objections?  Anyone want to help? --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 04:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Venues 

message: I think it is appropriate to have a Sports infobox at the top of the page. I have added one as such, and if anyone has any complaints, please lodge them hereFunga (talk) 17:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great initiative! Every article deserves an infobox (my opinion, at least). A World Championships article is more than qualified for an infobox, every other sport has one.I've added the rest of the information in the infobox. But do you think the "No. of teams"-field should include all of the divisions, like now, or should it just state "16" as it is in the top division and just mention the other divisions in the "Qualification"-field? lil2mas (talk) 18:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I think That the way it is now (with divisions) is good.Funga (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried, but it only shows if you hover over the image with your mouse. If you can fix it, please do =)I noticed User:Scorpion0422 removed some parts of the infobox, stating that this isn't a sports league, and asks if this is necessary. If you're reading this; the name of the template might not be ideal, but it serves its purpose: To give the reader a small summary of the most important aspects of this championship! Please take a look at some other team sports: Football (soccer), Handball, Basketball, Cricket or Rugby. They've all got an infobox in the article lead, this one shouldn't be any worse. lil2mas (talk) 21:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info Box 

message: I also believe that this should be done for Czech Republic/Czechoslovakia. We should recognize historical achievements of the Czechoslovakian team , but we should clearly show that the Czech Republic is a new team which once was a core of Czechoslovakian team.
Andreyx109 (talk) 17:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're going to combine CSSR w/ Czech, then you have to combine Slovakia as well. This is a slippery slope me thinks --Lvivske (talk) 22:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Czech Republic/Czechoslovakia

message: OTRS has received an confirmation email from IIHF (ticket number #2009051110001265) which states that the number of inherited medals is 25. I was asked to bring notification of this here. The email is from the official IIHF email address, if that helps. Thanks,  PeterSymonds (talk) 01:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  OTRS email regarding Russian/USSR medal count 

message: The page indicates that Japan won the far east qualifier every year but finished last every year in the world tournament.  This is untrue, they never won a game, but in 2004 they finished ahead of France.  It would perhaps be more accurate to say that they would have been relegated every year, or simply that they never won a game.174.90.245.169 (talk) 15:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan in the top level 

message: Is there somewhere an explanation as to why the official IIHF participant is Great Britain, and not the United Kingdom?  Seems very odd, but I am sure there is an explanation somewhere.18abruce (talk) 17:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably, but it hasn't made it to Wikipedia yet. I'd expect one at either Great Britain men's national ice hockey team or Ice Hockey UK; I don't see it either place. There's also no citation at Great Britain at the Olympics where it talks about the IOC assigning Great Britain and GBR as the name and country code for the team in 1908. —C.Fred (talk) 18:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this page http://www.iiha.org/ice-hockey/national-squad, the Irish national team uses players from Northern Ireland as well, I would imagine there might be a problem if either Ireland or Great Britain had a shot of playing in the olympics.18abruce (talk) 17:23, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there is no problem. At Great Britain at the Olympics reads: Under the terms of a long-standing settlement between the British Olympic Association and the Olympic Council of Ireland, athletes from Northern Ireland can elect to represent Ireland at the Olympics, as Northern Irish people are legally entitled to dual citizenship. So, there is an agreement. 85.217.15.109 (talk) 11:22, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not United Kingdom? 

message: Why is it not mentioned there, that Finland won the 1995 championship?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.100.144.231 (talk) 16:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is "The following year in Sweden, the Finnish team won its first ever World Championship. Led by their top line of Saku Koivu, Ville Peltonen and Jere Lehtinen, the Finns defeated rival Sweden in the gold medal game." The word "the following year" contains a link to the 1995 Men's World Ice Hockey Championships page.--Mo Rock...Monstrous  (leech44) 17:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1995 Winner 

message: It's coming on three years since this article was made a good article and part of a featured topic, but up to now it did not openly state the gender of the championships' participants. Only once was the gender mentioned in the prose ("Each player must be a citizen of the country he represents"). It can be easy to overlook the most simple and obvious things, but such things are important when writing an encyclopaedic article, which should assume little prior knowledge in this case. The player eligibility section should also be amended because the statement "The World Championships have been open to all players" is not true. SFB 19:33, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It actually is true, from what I understand there is nothing barring a woman from competing on the "men's" team. I think it is unlikely it would happen. But I believe it is technically possible. -DJSasso (talk) 19:58, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The IIHF Statutes and bylaws does seem to indicate that it is only available to male players.  Section 700 describes who is able to particpate in a "senior men's" tournament, section 800 describes who can participate in a "women's" tournament.  Neither specify that you must be a man or a woman directly, so perhaps you could argue that point.  However, it is worth noting that the "IIHF World Championship" is specifically classed as a senior men's event.  Additionally, it is not true that it is open to all players, there are age restrictions spelled out in detail, under 18 years old they must obtain a waiver, under 16 years old they are barred from playing.18abruce (talk) 17:28, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Judging from this source, it would appear that this is classed as a "men's" tournament. Thus, I think it is logical to state that women are not eligible. As an analogy, if it said it was an "North American" tournament, it would be counter-intuitive to assume that Europeans could compete. I think both the gender and age limitations are both worth a sentence in the player eligibility, for what is a competition without its rules? Thanks for taking the time to dig up the relevant info 18abruce. It's much appreciated. SFB 18:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Dead discussion now, but just noticed that it is explicitly stated in the rules that women cannot compete in men's event (section 1, rule 2)18abruce (talk) 13:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender distinction 

message: Hello, starting in 2012 not only system of Championship division will change, but also the system of Division I and II. There is a word about this in the article, but I think there should be at least one sentence that describe the change and says the reasons ("to increase parity and the number of competitive games") in the "Tournament Structure" part of article. The reference is here: http://www.iihf.com/channels-11/iihf-world-championship-wc11/news/news-singleview-2011/browse/1/article/changes-in-worlds-structure.html?tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=3650&cHash=5db3e0e757 There maybe should be a short paragraph about the format change in this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_IIHF_World_Championship_Division_I
I would do this myself, but I am not a native speaker so I don't think my English is good enough to do this...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrHadesCZE (talk • contribs) 13:25, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected the erroneous material, but still needs improvement.  Thank you for bringing it to everyone's attention.18abruce (talk) 04:14, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of the Format 

message: The intro to the article says "Big 6". It should say "Big 7" Slovakia is clearly on the level of the others, despite who the IIHF thinks Czechoslovak history belongs to.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.51.215.172 (talk) 23:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big 6 

message: Should this article not be IIHF World Men's Championship, to bring it in line with the IIHF World U18 Championship and the IIHF World U20 Championship? Shootmaster 44 (talk) 06:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, the current title would be the common name for this championships. In the case of the U18 and U20 there isn't really a common name. There was debate at one point of changing the U20 to Ice Hockey World Junior Championships but I think the objections was that it was only known as that in Canada. But in this case I think its pretty clear that the common name is what it currently is at. -DJSasso (talk) 17:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article's name 

message: I wonder why the sub articles about the annual championships lack the word 'ice hockey' in their name. For example, the logo of the 2017 edition says '2017 ice hockey world championship', but the article is called 2017 IIHF World Championship.
This is also confusing for non-insiders and suggests that the name of the federation is more important than that of the sport itself. (The same applies of course to 2014 FIFA World Cup, but I first noticed it here.) Bever (talk) 21:17, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it simply suggests what many hockey federations and media outlets call it.  Are non-insiders having trouble finding the information they are looking for?18abruce (talk) 22:38, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the championship was mentioned on Paris but without an indication which sport it was about. :-) Bever (talk) 04:30, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name for sub articles 

message: Does Canada really hold the most titles in IIHF? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IIHF_World_Championship_medalists)
What is the official wiki criteria for determining the achievement status of teams that no longer compete?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.125.144.76 (talk) 14:52, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Most Titles?

message: Why does Australia has 1 participation in Top Division. It participated one time in Olympic Games but not in World Championship, right? Learned cat (talk) 05:13, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: They played in the top division in 1960. -DJSasso (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Overall Participation

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thread_title: Proposal related to featuring this event at Wikipedia:In the news

message: Give the answer 2401:4900:384C:D22C:1:2:12F7:A543 (talk) 01:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: IIHF World Women's Championship has the details. Flibirigit (talk) 01:41, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many times international women ice hockey championship held 

message: * Include 11 Editions in Olympic Games.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hommez (talk • contribs) 13:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Medals 1920-2023 (Including Precursors)

message: Russia took over the IIHF membership from the USSR and the Czech Republic from Czechoslovakia. Therefore, these countries are considered together in the official STATISTICS. So it should be written that the Czechs have their 13th title, please correct it. 77.119.202.194 (talk) 05:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czechia/Czech Republic - Czechoslovakia