Talk:Jack Lang (French politician)

message: Former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn's ally Jack Lang, has been accused of an orgy with little boys in Morocco. He is a friend of Jeffery Epstein publicly supported the 1977 movement against an age of consent in French and the decriminalization of rape in France.  
:The sourcing for the orgy accusation seems weak to me.  The Indian Express article is citing the Daily Mail, which isn't encouraging.  I looked around for news about these accusations and found articles at BBC, The Guardian, The Wall Street Journal, and The Independent.  None of them mention Lang.  They all explicitly state that the accuser, Luc Ferry, didn't give any specific name.  Also, all the articles I could find about this incident are from 2011.  Between the lack of coverage over time, and the fact that the best sources I found don't actually name Lang, I don't think it's appropriate for inclusion. Squeakachu (talk) 07:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: sexual abuse of morroco boys and links to Jeffery Epstein, supports eliminating age of consent and legalizing rape

message: Why is he called Jack Lang? (and not 'Jacques'?) Does he have anglo saxon origins?
* No he has no anglo saxon origin. I guess that English sounding first names were popular in France at the beginning of WWII.Hektor 15:25, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: * I've deleted this section 3 June 2011 because 1 it's been deleted in the French BLP from which I was essentially translating and 2 because presently, in the light of the Luc Ferry remarks concerning what appear merely to be old rumours, it's plainly contentious per WP:BLP FightingMac (talk) 14:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The paragraph was just a translation of an established section in the French article (but predictably that's been deleted at the time of writing following the Luc Ferry remarks i.e. it was greatly expanded and then blanked altogether, usual Wikipedia thing). That was the best, I think the only, English language reference I could find and I thought it interesting and notable enought to cite. I do understand the irony :-) but they're not all kiddy fiddlers, come on. By all means replace if you can find a better source, but I do ask you to reflect whether it's genuinely better. I thought it a good third party source. FightingMac (talk) 13:36, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Only website in the references is Association Internationale des Victimes de l'Inceste which is scarcely obscure (it successfully campaigned to reintroduce laws against incest, scrapped after the Revolution) and doesn't have extreme right-wing leanings that I know of (and et alors? BTW if it does, this is France). I'll look to see if I can provide a translation of the French AIVI site to flesh out the English wiki entry. But all these remarks have reliable RS French sources. Of course providing English ones is harder. FightingMac (talk) 03:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Curiously there are no articles in the French Wiki. There was a BLP for an 'Isabelle Aubry' the founder, but apparently for another person and it was deleted because it was a copy of a self-advertising website. I'll look for another source for the 'Gai Pied' remark. FightingMac (talk) 03:45, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Hi, Sorcierbob. I'll look for the stuff about him being Jewish. WP:BLP policy is that religious or ethnic affinities shouldn't be included, unless the subject has publicly identified with them and it's notable for the article. Regarding 'controversies concerning sexuality' he indeed is notable for that. I merely translated the relevant section in his French BLP (currently deleted as per comment above, but I expect it will be restored after the Luc Ferry business blows over) FightingMac (talk) 13:36, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deleted the 'Jewish ancestry' bit because the source isn't cited, no identification, not notable. Thank you. FightingMac (talk) 13:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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message: I changed to "died". "Killed" would be acceptable if there is evidence, but although there were claims in the post-war period that Ravensbruck had a gas chamber, nowhere is that claimed today. Certainly not in the relevant Wikipedia article. For all camps where gassing is claimed, it did not happen as late as 1945. She probably died in the catastrophic conditions of epidemic and starvation that swept the camps in 1945.Channelwatcher (talk) 18:11, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
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message: The article says his paternal side was Jewish. I don't know whether this is enough to put him in the category:French Jews or not, since usually only maternal side counts for being a Jew.--Carnby (talk) 14:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jew? 

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