Talk:Sid Luckman

message: I'm interested in getting this article to meet GA standards. Anyone want to help? Enigma message 17:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I think it's better than Start-Class now. Enigma message 06:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA status 

message: I can't find a name for his father. I found on a blog that Luckman's mother's name was Ethel. Enigma message 04:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yeah, which is unfortunate. I'm sure he knew his parents' names. I'm not really sure why he didn't mention it in the book. Maybe he didn't want to be disrespectful by saying or writing their names. Enigma message 06:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yeah maybe - but he was born in New York so (I'm not sure how close you are to there physically) the records must be available.  It would be a good coup for research because I also can't find anything on the internet at this stage.--VS talk 06:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I live in New York City and could easily get to the area where he was born. I will look into this. It's possible that it's part of the public record. Enigma message 06:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be great - it certainly would be a good find for this article.--VS talk 06:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Update:I e-mailed the Bureau of Vital Records and they referred me to another agency. I'll get to the bottom of this eventually! Enigma message 05:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like you are well on to the job.--VS talk 06:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on Luckman's parents 

message: Not sure if this is usable - but Luckman was in the Delta Chapter at Columbia? 
link here --VS talk 05:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's worth mentioning as part of a section on things named after him. I'm sure this wasn't the only thing named after him. Enigma message 05:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delta Chapter 

message: Nice find. I at first thought it was a subset of the Marines or something, heh. This page says he was a coach at the academy. Not sure when that was. Before he served? Enigma message 06:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I was just about to add that it was joint winners as a quick search revealed. When I hit edit, I saw someone had beaten me to it, and I just knew it was you! Enigma message 06:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Us Aussies - too quick :) --VS talk 06:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merchant Marine, Distinguished American Award, and Executive 

message: You know that book you referenced, using Google Books? Turns out I own it. I never opened it. It was still in plastic, but I opened it and found the section on Sid. Enigma message 18:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I'm going to check the Bureau of Vital Records and the New York Times obituaries for more information. Enigma message 18:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

text: * Hey there, that is pretty funny about you actually having that book. It's good also from the perspective of being able to list it as a source - which I have now done.  Can you please check to see if I have the details correct (year of pub'n, publisherr, ISBN etc)? Good luck with finding details from the Bureau etc.--VS talk 23:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *ISBN and publisher are correct. The book was originally published in 1983. The copy I have is a new edition (this looks to be the same one as on Google Books), copyright 2003. Inside the cover, it has Copyright 1983, 2000, 2003. Enigma message 23:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

text: *Yep that's good I will try and incorporate as references to the last couple of remaining bits tonight if I have time (after work) unless you beat me to it (and cross off as done). Either way is okay by me. Thanks for checking.--VS talk 01:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is funny 

message: We are getting much closer in my view.  It would be nice to find out the details of parents (as discussed previously) but also of his children's names.  Additional details on his coaching/football links after full-time playing - did he sponsor anyone, did he do speeches, did he gain any honorary diplomas those types of things. Also I wonder if there are any other fair use images that we could add.  I noted the fair use rationale for the current photograph and I don't think that we could do that again for another image of Sid but if would could get an image or some sort of graphic of the T-Formation that might work. I did have a look on Commons but didn't see anything - although it probably needs a set of US eyes to search more in-depth.--VS talk 23:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: T-formation stuff on Commons? Very doubtful. Images are going to be a problem for this article. I hope to find more details on his parents, and I'll see if there's any way I can find out about his children. Enigma message 23:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

text: *That said - just found a nice image IMHO. You like?--VS talk 23:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *(ec)His children's names. Also, I found a variety of links referring to a case involving the Luckmans and the IRS.  Enigma message 23:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

text: *Yeah, team photo is good stuff. Enigma message 23:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Bloody brilliant work - kids names add depth.  Will leave you to add to article.--VS talk 00:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting to take good shape 

message: It wasn't easy, but I made the trek to a far-off library to view microfilm on old editions of the New York Times. In the July 6, 1998 issue, there was an obituary. A lot of the information we already have (it talks about the dinner Halas had at Luckman's house), but it has a few quotes. I'll see what I can add. Enigma message 17:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Turns out we had the obituary already, which renders all of this useless. Odd that the New York Times obituary is available online. Should've checked more carefully. Enigma message 05:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found the New York Times obituary 

message: I have bitten the bullet and nominated.  That will mean we have a week or three to tidy up a bit more in a few areas (including adding where suitable some of the stuff above).  I think the article is very well written now and it will be good to get a few pointers from third parties.  I intend to follow your work and assist but would prefer you to add the parts above in the first instance.  I suggest this because it was your idea to get Sid to GA status in the first place and you deserve the opportunity to reach that goal. I suggest we spend a large part of our wiki time here for now until we get an assessment from a reviewer.--VS talk 02:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. By the way, I think his death should at least be a separate sentence. I'll make some changes. Enigma message 05:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Nomination 

message: is a Google Books result for Luckman being "interviewed" before the formation was installed at Notre Dame. This is also helpful and could be a good source for the information about his tutoring. Enigma message 05:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  T-formation 

message: They need to have a source somewhere in and around that section. I couldn't find anything personally, do you guys have anything? Utan Vax (talk) 11:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Good job, VS :-) Utan Vax (talk) 12:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career stats 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:1946Bears.jpg

message: This is mentioned twice on the 1st paragraph, with minor differences. A bit redundant I would say. Anyone? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 18:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Luckman was the first modern T-formation quarterback" 

message: Sorry for this unwikipedian item. Feel free to delete.  I sat next to him at a wedding reception.  Knowing zero about sports, and seeing people come for autographs, I asked him what he did.  Said he played football.  I asked what team, he said the Bears.   I eventually commented that he must have been awfully good to have all of these people wanting his autograph.  He was very gracious regarding my dumbness. North8000 (talk) 04:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, your note is completely inappropriate for this page.  Second of all, I enjoyed it, and am quite glad you posted it.--Epeefleche (talk) 14:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting note 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: https://www.wsj.com/articles/tough-luck-review-keeping-mum-about-dad-11567636677?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/274401/meyer-and-sid
The subject of this book (published in September 2019) does seem newsworthy as it relates to Sid and his father Meyer Luckman, who died in Sing-Sing in 1944 while serving a 20-year sentence for the 1935 murder of his brother-in-law and Sid's friend Samuel Drukman. 24.1.67.182 (talk) 20:19, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Tough Luck:  Sid Luckman, Murder Inc...'