Talk:Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari

message: Grounds for the merge proposal: cf. http://www.unhas.ac.id/~rhiza/saintis/tabari.html "Ali Ibn Rabban Al-Tabari was born in 838 C.E. He was also known as Abu al-Hasan" knd 12:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
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message: What we have in the article conflicts with the sources that I am posting here
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J8079s (talk) 01:34, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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message: I am removing the Plinio Prioreschi sources since he has not specialization for this time period. I have, however, left Prioreschi as a source for medical I have restored the Cambridge university source removed under an editor's personal opinion. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:24, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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message: Quotes from `Alî at-Tabarî's ``Paradise of Wisdom, one of the oldest Arabic Compendiums of Medicine Author(s): Max Meyerhof Source: Isis, Vol. 16, No. 1 (Jul., 1931), pp. 6-54 Published by: The University of Chicago Press on behalf of The History of Science Society Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/224348 .
#'ALi says in his apologetic tract "The Book of Religion and Empire" which he wrote about 855 A.D. that he himself was a Christian before he was converted to Islam, and that his uncle ZAKKAR was a prominent Christian scholar. This tract is a defence of Islam against Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Parsees.
#His, or rather his father's name has been very often mutilated by the Arab authors, so that we find him mentioned as 'ALI B. ZAIN, B. ZAID, B. ZAIL, B. RAZIN, B. RAYYAN, B. RABL, B. DABAL or B. DHABAL, etc. IBN AL-QIFTi (4) renders the title Rabban correctly but with a false explanation, taking it for the Jewish title of Rabbi. So 'AL? B. RABBAN passed into all historical works, until quite recently, as a Muslim of Jewish origin, although 'ALl himself, in the preface to his work, explains this title Rabban as being the Syriac word for ((our Master)) or ((our Teacher ))
#'ALI'S father SAHL with the honorary title of Rabban was a medical man, but interested also in other sciences. IBN AL-QIFTI (p. i86) mentions a translation of PTOLEMY'S Almagest by SAHL RABBAN ; NALLINO shortly discusses the veracity of this assertion (ii). 'ALI was instructed, as he himself states, by his learned father in the Syriac and Arabic languages, in medicine, mathematics and philosophy and, as he alleges, also a little in Hebrew and Greek. So 'ALi was able, later on, to translate his great medical treatise from Arabic into Syriac, and to quote, in his ((Book of Religion and Empire )), long passages from the Old Testament. But for this there is the simple explanation given by MINGANA (1. C. p. XVIII foll.) that 'ALI quoted from one of the Syriac translations of the Bible (I2). 'ALi is expressly called a Christian by the Historians AN-NADIM, MUHAMMADAT- TABARI and IBN KHALLIKAN(MINGANA pp. XI and XIII).
#We learn from 'ALi IBN RABBAN'S own words that later on he was secretary to the Persian prince MAZIYAR B. QARIN, grandson of the above-mentioned WANDAD HURMUZDand governor of Tabaristarn; it is, moreover, reported that he went for him to Baghdad to the court of the caliph AL-MA'MUN and to Rayy (Rhages) where AR-RAZI(RHAZES)the most celebrated of all the Arabo-Persian physicians is said to have been his pupil. SIDDIQI accepts this assertion of IBN AL-QIFTI (1. C. P. 23 I), but I think that this is not possible, as 'ALI B. RABBAN was a man of at least seventy-five when AR-RAZrIeached the age of learning. Moreover
the sojourn of 'ALI B. RABBANat Rayy, RAzI'sbirthplace, seems to have been about 840 A.D., after the defeat and before the cruel execution of his master MAZIYAR(d. 84I A.D.). There is no evidence that 'ALI returned to Rayy in his later years. After the violent death of MAZIYAR, 'ALI seems to have served as a secretary to the caliphs AL-MU'TASIM (833-842), AL-XWATHIQ (842-47) and AL-MUTAWAKKIL(847-6I A.D.). The last-mentioned ruler converted him to Islam, and it was for him that he wrote the above-mentioned apologetic tract against Jews, Christians and Magians (I3), which he finished in the third year of the caliph (viz. in 85o A.D.). 'ALI IBN RABBANmust have died some time subsequent to this date, but no historian records the year of
his death (I3a).
:A great deal could be add based n this source. J8079s (talk) 20:50, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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