Talk:Light gun

message: we need to make a list page of  all the light gun games. theres a light gun games category as well.. the list is getting much too long, also is it possible for a light gun to work with a pc monitor? --larsinio 03:14, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: it is possible to get a light-gun to work with a PC monitor (CRT only) - not sure if anyone has developed one. Y control 16:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of games 

message: So I've been to the arcade and played TimeCrisis/House of the Dead which uses a rear-projection screen. Does this mean that where I thought it was using LCD rear-projection I am mistaken; or is there another method for shooting games? Please help I'm stumped. Y control 16:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I beleive LCD displays now exist that can refresh quickly enough for light guns to work. In arcades, if the gun is fixed to a platform, it's most likely positional. Last time I saw House of the Dead though, it used freely-movable light guns. What makes you think it was using a LCD rear-projector rather than a CRT one? boffy_b 17:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

text: partially wrong. 10 sensors. Also there are projection versions of hotd2,3 probably 4. 67.219.76.39 (talk) 00:16, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Non CRT detection

message: ...But if I try to add anything, it would just receive those citation needed tags and revertion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.132.209 (talk) 20:01, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: partially wrong. 10 sensors. Also there are projection versions of hotd2,3 probably 4. 67.219.76.39 (talk) 00:16, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: This should be more clearly stated in the article

message: The light gun of Time Crisis 3 knows where it is with no blacking/brightening of the screen or IR sensors. This can be seen on calibration where the crosshair follows the aim around the screen cointinuously with no triggering/flashing. I would guess that because the gun intercepts the video signal with a cable, it recognizes the TVs location with an internal camera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.59.113 (talk • contribs) 
:You are mistaken. TC3 uses the GunCon 2, which works by measuring the time delay between a sync pulse sent to the controller and the pulse received from the photodiode. This is why the calibration screen is needed. Shinobu 03:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In other words, this is what the article calls "cathode ray timing". As long as a pixel isn't completely black or completely red, the photodiode in a CRT gun can compare the timing of the flickering of the blue and green phosphors to the timing of the video signal. What 64.40.59.113 describes is more like how a pentop computer works. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 04:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: @cathode ray timing: correct. As for the Fly pen, I've taken a look at the web page, and frankly, it was really sad. It always is when companies try to be cool and end up horribly overdoing it. And couldn't they have thought up a better name? "I brought my Fly." *sniff* On the technological side, it "sees" it's position with a LED-based solution. So I guess it works much like an optical mouse does. Remember how recently someone modded a cheap optical mouse to work like a small (18 by 18 pixels) B&W scanner? Also, it says on the website you need special paper, so I guess it reads some kind of pattern of the paper, probably Anoto, and it (edit: read article) with the Anoto pattern, which the pen uses to establisch it's absolute position, rather than just inferring relative positions like a mouse does. But basically, the technologies seem very similar. Shinobu 15:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Time Crisis 3 doesnt use any of the listed methods

message: Operation Wolf was removed as an example of an arcade game using a positional gun, with the claim that it used an optical gun. According to KLOV.com Operation Wolf always used a positional gun, and I recommend adding it back as it is such a popular game. It revitalized interest in shooting-style arcade games, showing that a scrolling field could work in a gun-based game after Nintendo's forgettable Gumshoe. User:Dj ansi 21:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's correct Operation Wolf (arcade version) used a positional gun; not sure why it was removed. I think the home versions may have used light-guns where available. Y control 10:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How could the first light gun be in 1936?? Their weren't even computers, the first computer came in WWII. Vincentsc 16:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to a carnival and play the light gun based target range.
Added modern, IR based, methods (method three) --83.54.140.19 11:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I understand it, it wasn't a computergame, I thought so, but okay, I understand. Vincentsc 10:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Operation Wolf

message: a light gun should be used in fps games, it would make it easier, have a analog stick to move forward and backward and side to side, a trigger, and a scope button, and other commands like enter exit, jump, reload, etc, make a light gun that plugs into a ps3 controller or xbox 360 controller and play fps games like battlefield: bad company with extremely accurate aiming. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Superchad (talk • contribs) .
:PS3? Xbox 360? Conspicuous by its absence in your comment is the one next generation console that comes out of the box with a light gun controller that uses IR and accelerometers. Wii have what you want. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 01:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  light gun in fps games? 

message: There have been some wacky lightgun designs over the years (notably the Menacer and Super Scope); it would be nice to see a wider spread of images beyond two Nintendo products. Kelvingreen 09:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More pictures! 

message: I thought the arcade version of Terminator 2: Judgment Day used the positional setup. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminator 2: Judgment Day 

message: The SNES Superscope doesn't work quite as described. The article implies that the scope determines where it is aiming based on a timing signal from the SNES, and then transmits the coordinates to the SNES. In actuality, the Scope simply transmits the "I see an excited phosphor!" signal over pin #6 of the connector, which is connected to a pin on the PPU2 chip inside the console. Since this chip is also doing the pixel output, it simply 'latches' the current pixel row and column when the pin makes a 1 to 0 transition.
The major difference is that the Scope doesn't need any kind of timing signal from the console at all, and in fact if you look at the architecture of the console the only regular timing signal is a 60 Hz button-state poll. I've described this in more detail over at the Superscope talk page. Anomie 02:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SNES Superscope cathode ray timing 

message: :"The second method, used by the Super Nintendo Entertainment System's Super Scope and computer light pens is more elaborate but more accurate."
I actually think the first method (cycling through the targets) sounds more elaborate, but maybe that's just me. David 16:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More elaborate? 

message: should it be mentioned that the Wiimote instead of simple sensors actually has a digital camera in its tip? (afaik no one has figured out how to get the captured image from the camera, all that can be obtained are the x and y coordintaes of up to 4 ir brightspots)--TiagoTiago 01:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should if you can cite a source. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 16:58, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  is it worth mentioning that the Wiimote actually uses a ccd sensor? 

message: The article makes no mention of the USB lightgun ACT Labs produce for PC use. s this notable enough for inclusion? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be if you can cite a reliable source. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 00:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here are some to consider: , , , etc.  Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACT Labs gun? 

message: what happened to this page needs urgent repair.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.104.202 (talk) 10:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  blank? 

message: Weapon is a non-specific term meaning a device used for combat or military i.e. hurting people.
firearm is more specific and does not carry a specific combat meaning.  While a firearm can be used as a weapon (military rifle) it can also be used for sport (target shooting).
N9wxu (talk) 06:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  use of weapon vs firearm 

message: There was only one type of pink/orange Justifier that plugded into both a blue SNES Justifier or a blue Genesis Justifier.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.33.136 (talk) 04:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  pink/orange Justifier is cross platform 

message: Very few analog sticks can rotate the way a positional gun can.--Asher196 (talk) 04:08, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but the article does not equate them with traditional analog sticks. Rather, it compares them in terms of functionality and to that end it is accurate; a positional gun is a form of analog controller. It's odd that this article has a section dedicated to them, but it is preferable to a small article. --Jtalledo (talk) 14:30, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison of positional gun to an analog stick 

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message: There are pro-match grade light rifles, fitted with battery powered xenon lamps, which are used instead of compressed air rifles for indoor 10-meter precision shooting clubs e.g. at schools. They almost perfectly imitate the size and weight and wood / steel build of cal. 4.5mm / 0.177" professional air rifles. They are used with full-torso support garment for steadier aiming, as if olympic sport. Seem to be popular in Japan, likely due to the lack of noise issues and reduced risk of injury. There is even an ongoing anime / manga series devoted to them, called "Rifle is Beautiful". 80.99.111.252 (talk) 10:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Light beam gunnery is not just for video games, but also a serious sport. 

message: Why is "The light gun and its ancestor the light pen are now rarely used as pointing devices due largely to the popularity of the mouse and changes in monitor display technology—conventional light guns work only with CRT monitors" marked as needing a citation when the claim in substantiated by the content of the "Design" section? JamesRTwine (talk) 03:56, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Inappropriate citation required.

message: I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with inline citations of reliable, secondary sources, per WP:V, WP:CS, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, WP:BLP, WP:NOR, et al. This diff shows where it was in the article. Nightscream (talk) 18:52, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncited material in need of citations

message: Greetings, fellows.
Regarding the following paragraph: "A side effect of this is that on poorly designed games, often a player can point the gun at a light bulb or other bright light source, pull the trigger, and cause the system to falsely detect a hit on the first target every time. Better games account for this either by detecting if all targets appear to match or by displaying a black screen and verifying that no targets match."
I don't think "poorly designed" is good wording here. This is technology; solving these problems may seem obvious in hindsight but it certainly required a lot of creativity, and these techniques might well have beeb patented.
But even if it weren't, to call a whole game "poorly designed" because it didn't take into account how players might cheat in single player sounds very excessive.
I think I have made my point.
Best regards,
~victorsouza (talk) 12:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Poorly designed games" is unjustified judgement of value