Talk:Totenkopf

message: The article says that "The SS Totenkopf on the other hand was always facing left in half-profile", but the image at the top of the page has the Totenkopf facing right. Lincoln Mandos (talk) 19:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Left v. Right"

message: Is "insignia" the correct singular form? — B.Bryant 03:14, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is. :bloodofox: 11:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Insignia"

message: Article needs a sentence or two about how it came to be associated with the SS and naziism. — B.Bryant 03:14, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Associations

message: A version used by the SS supposedly appeared in a wallmart store, and was later removed.  See photograps and details in the following link:
http://www.bentcorner.com/2006/11/09/wal-mart-is-selling-shirts-with-a-nazi-ss-skull-on-it/
--Bill
:More on the story and photographs: here, here and here FK0071a 19:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent appearance in Wal-Mart and subsequent removal

message: I as a native German have never assiciated the Totenkopf symbol with Nazi German or the SS. Instead in my mind it is clearly a symbol for pirates (Hoisting the Totenkopf-flag to their mast, etc...). I am sure most other Germans would agree with me. While this does not tell much about the International perception of the symbol I still think that the text of the article is biased to a very specific use of the word Totenkopf. One solution would be to move the Totenkopf article to Totenkopf (military insignia) so that the specific nature of this article becomes clearer. --Jpkoester1 16:42, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Totenkopf was clearly used before the Nazis. If it has a jaw or not who cares? If somebody personally associates it with the Nazis is something different. If you are into the Napoleonic Wars you will not necessarily do that.--85.180.41.233 (talk) 02:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes the Totenkopf symbol is from very old times, it has been used by kings, nobles, Royal guards and other military units, i just stated that it was not a pirate flag, even though pirates never used a specific skull flag, the Totenkopf symbol is still a old royal symbol and not a pirate one..Sneaking Viper (talk) 19:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yet another native German to contradict you here. The Nazi connection looms somewhat larger in non-native heads, because you get to hear or read the word only as part of a name, e.g. "Totenkopfdivision". Other uses will naturally be translated. But in reality the meaning of the word is not as narrow and specialised as you would have it. The Jolly Roger depicts a Totenkopf. So do diverse military insignia. It's a generic term, not a brand name. And that's that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.57.140.172 (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

text:  You’re a bit confused here. “Totenkopf” simply means skull. It doesn’t refer to a specific flag design. --Tom S. Fox (talk) 08:22, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Totenkopf and the SS

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message: FC St Pauli use the Totenkopf as an unofficial symbol, though the club is renowned for it's left-wing support. If there is any clear information on the reclamation of the Totenkopf from the far right that would be well worth including. Dancarney (talk) 10:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don´t think so as you pointed out correctly, at least in Germany, deathheads are also used by Punks.--85.180.41.233 (talk) 02:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FC St Pauli 

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message: How does this word sound? A pronunciation guide would be nice.   —by Fromaage (talk • contribs) 06:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Try: Toe-ten-kop-ff.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.247.9 (talk) 19:12, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

text: I tried to add a phonetic note on how to pronounce it. Feel free to correct if I messed it up. --Kjoenth (talk) 18:12, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Not knowing how to edit the article, could someone, please, add that the death's head was also used by the Greek rebels initiating the Greek Revolution back at the beginning of the 19th century? Here's a reference taken from Ch. W. Heckethorn's "The Secret Societies of All Ages & Countries - Vol 2", p.149 (http://books.google.gr/books?id=RqzKYJPOdScC&pg=PA149):
"About this time, also, according to the pattern of the Thebans, five hundred youths, belonging to the noblest and richest families, formed themselves into a Sacred Battalion. They were clothed in black, and displayed on their breasts a cross with the words, "In this sign you shall conquer." Their hats were decorated with a skull and crossbones."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.103.147.55 (talk) 00:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use by Greek rebels 

message: I used the English wiki search and stranded here so I feel it's my duty to help the attempts made by a lonely IP but ignored by some others most likely because of a language barrier. I am German and have some linguistic knowledge even though my English sometimes is a little rusty.
Totenschädel literally means "Skull of a dead man".
Even if the translation is "Death's skull" (as pointed out in the text - historical by nature) the literal meaning is not !
A link was provided some time ago as I saw and it links to the Duden. This link should stay for the time being since it clears up the problem to an person who is able to read German properly.
See:
*Death (as in Death_(personification) or the noun of the state of being) in German is Tod
*And dead (as in the adjective) in German is tot
*A dead (as in a person being in the state) in German would be Toter.
Toten is another form of Toter.
So Tot and dead being the adjectives of Tod and death , who are also personifications. So you see that English and German is very similar here.
Now if you read careful you will conclude that "Toten|schädel" can not possibly come from death.
Yes the historically grown but wrong translation to English is "Death's head" however (from the text:) "is the German word for "skull" (literally, [...]) and is used to" talks about a literal German meaning wish as described is not the translation normally provided.
And to add: Writing "is the German word for "skull"" is also kind of a wrong suggestion because the "skull" of a living person would not be called a "Totenschädel" (even if the English translation says that it's just not proper).
Thanks for your time ! Moooitic (talk) 04:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literal meaning 

message: The article should point out that from the late 1930s the SS Totenkopf badge had got a jaw to tell it apart from the army Totenkopf, that was jawless. The German army tank and assault artillery men used the jawless Totenkopf as collar badge in WW2.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.213.197.52 (talk) 12:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "http://ww2ss.tripod.com/history.htm"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.213.197.52 (talk) 12:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Jaw 

message: Hermann Göring...'Hermann Göring' Armoured (or Panzer) 'Parachute' Division (there was on paper a 'Hermann Göring 2' Mechanized Division as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.213.197.52 (talk) 19:20, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  HG... 

message: :"http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Gula_Hussars"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 12:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gula Hussars (Swedish Army, 1760s) 

message: I'd like to include the Craft logo image. Would that be fair use? Chris Kyle, on the wikipedia page, wears a hat with the logo, but at a bad angle. It's on his shirt, too. http://www.thecraft.com/craft_skull.html https://www.google.com/search?q=craft+internationallogo&espv=2&biw=1430&bih=746&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Zx_kVK-PPMbloATdi4KYDQ&ved=0CDUQ7Ak 
GangofOne (talk) 06:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Craft International]] logo 

message: I suggest to not merge these two articles -– I think the "Totenkopf" shall have its own article especially because so much confusion or rather erroneous ideas are surround it. Sincerely, 87.182.102.151 (talk) 11:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apropos merging 

message: hello,
I'm not a good english-writer, but it may be possible to add this other militaries units in the list : 
Russians hussars of Alexandria,
Finnish Kev.Os. 4 "White death",
Italians Moschettieri del Duce (before RSI).
The first use (maybe) of this symbol could be by the Company of death (XIIe century) 
Thanks
Mylhaine C. (fr)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mylhaine C. (talk • contribs) 09:17, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other "non-german" units 

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