Talk:Gypsy punk

message: Which is funny, since Gogol Bordello isn't punk. -Drevius
Gogol Bordello is a mix of punk rock with traditional Gypsy music. The punk influence is fairly obvious, especially on their latest album. --Every Dog's Day 20:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Something more definite than "gypsy music" should really be said here. Roma music varies nearly as widely geographically as the folk music of the more "settled" residents of those areas. I get the impression Gogol Bordello is focused on a Romanian sound, but I'm no expert on the band. Good questions to ask would be relating gypsy punk to any other genres connected with Roma musicians, like manele.
Also, the other bands identified: do they also describe themselves as gypsy punk or do they use other terms? If GB are the only ones, this article may as well redirect. Bjart 08:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On that vague word "Gypsy" 

message: gypsy punk is used by many that are not quite as familiar with this type of music to refer to music that has similar qualities.  By merging the two pages or redirecting gypsy punk to gogol's page, you're basically telling people that gogol bordello is the definitive band/sound for gypsy punk.  I think that's quite unfair to many musicians that would like to gain exposure for this type of thing even if there are more accurate or correct classifications.  Just my 2 cents.gerstle 17:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is many things, but it's not a music recomendation service. If the term is being used outside of the Gogol context, we need good references to back up the article's existence, the definition given, and each artist included. Take a look at Dark cabaret and its talk page if you want to see what being too loose can do to an article. Bjart 01:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point, but i don't necessarily agree that by accurately reflecting the way people are using a term we are recommending music.  I have seen the term gypsy punk in a recent rolling stones article where they highlighted 3 or 4 cd's by different bands (no gogol bordello) and reviewed them.  I can't find the article online, but two of the cd's reviewed can be found here: Beirut and Devotchka.  Also, a new york times article  from 2005 entitled "The Rise of Gypsy Punkers" kind of gave gogol bordello the role of the fathers of gypsy punk; however, other bands fitting this description are also given props (Slavic Soul Party!, Romashka, the Hungry March Band and Guignol).  While being described as a 'russian ska band', i would also loosely include Leningrad as gypsy punk.  gerstle 17:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Very good points. That's what we've been asking for. I'll try to dig up some interviews to see if anyone's been given a chance to respond to the genre label. I can imagine Devotchka having a laugh about it. Bjart 21:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It definitely isn't. Gogol Bordello, while one of the few (if currently) bands that emulates gypsy punk and has also gained popularity in the past few years, there are multiple other bands in the scene. If Spin was able to push out an article naming gypsy punk the Scene of the Year (which of course I can't find online), then there is no way that Wikipedia should be able to consider Gogol Bordello and gypsy punk as one and the same. Amphytrite 21:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Removing the merge notice. Thanks guys. If anyone can get ahold of the spin article who has the initiative, please update the gypsy punk article. It's needs some good indication that there's a scene, rather than just a grouping of bands who may not even listen to each other. Bjart 00:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  bla 

message: In 2001, I discovered a Swedish group called URGA. Their music was described as "sigøynerpunk" in Norwegian which translates to gypsy punk. I do not know who came up with the name for the genre, but I doubt that it was first phrased in the interview sited in this article. It may be that the interview was the first time it was mentioned in the mainstream press. 195.159.201.103 23:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who invented the genre name? 

message: Why is that link there?  I fail to see a relationship explained on either page. Verdatum 14:24, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, deleted it Verdatum 15:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra Action Marching Band 

message: Beirut and Alamaailman Vasarat are described as "offshoots" of Zabranjeno Pušenje. Why those two? Beirut is an American group, and Alamaailman a Finnish group; neither shares members with the Yugoslavian Zabranjeno. If offshoot is meant to imply that these two groups were inspired by Zabranjeno Pušenje, any of the bands listed on this page is such an offshoot since the former seems to be an early semi-exemplar of the genre. That is, unless someone can find a source expressly stating that these two bands were thus inspired. Anyone have an argument or a source?
March1291 (talk) 15:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the sentence was supposed to say that the style of these bands' music is related to/an offshoot of the Gypsy punk genre, not of the band Zabranjeno Pušenje. —Zalktis (talk) 18:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. You have the initiative I lack.March1291 (talk) 01:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Perhaps there needs to be a more general article about Romany influences on/creation of pop music;  whatever Beirut may be, they are nothing like a punk band.  Not that they shouldn't be mentioned;  just, clarification is needed. 69.49.44.11 (talk) 18:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I'm going to take out Beirut (talk  —Preceding undated comment added 20:14, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Beirut and Alamaailman Vasarat offshoots of Zabranjeno Pušenje?

message: The sentence "Because gypsy punk is a mixture of traditional music and popular music to the western culture, the Romani are colonizing and seemingly settling into a loose identity of their own." seems unclear to me. I can't tell exactly what it's supposed to mean so I can't try to fix it. Chuck Baggett (talk) 23:00, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear sentence. 

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message: Hey, i’ve been informed that many regard the G word* when referring to Roma as a slur (and all other language variations), seeing as the article name in this instance contains said word, I propose that we change it to something like "Romani Punk"
Also, parts of this article seem very fetishistic of Romani people/downright creepy sort of racism that really needs to be adressed..
* *P.S. i'm aware many Roma also use this term in reclamation and take great pride in it, and I respect that, I'm not Roma myself so specifically i'd like your input on this as it is a matter of your people above all else
comment added by Asdiapod (talk • contribs) 20:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I want to sign this as well. I believe that it would be for the best to call this "roma punk" in the tittle and then add something along the lines of "also sometimes known as "gypsy punk" in the article itself with perhaps some info on the fact that the term is considered a slur by many. Mx-Spoon (talk) 01:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:RGW; any change like this would need to be accompanied by sources. I am sure there are issues with the tone that should be fixed (and it would be good to mention is context as a slur) BUT I think the changes suggested here reflect a misunderstanding of the history and philosophy listed on the page. The use of the word in the genre name comes from Roma people reclaiming the term *and* it envisions the "gypsy" stereotype as something separate from actual Roma culture, a sort of romanticised ideal. I am not of Roma descent either so I cannot speak as to whether this is an appropriate or respectful move, but it strikes me as effectively "talking over" the people of Roma descent who pioneered and popularised that music. This is obviously a very charged issue but misleading people about this genre's history is not the way to smooth that over, imo. ~ fourths~! (talk) 20:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name change proposal & other questionable wording