Talk:White wedding

message: This now reads badly.  Here's an example of expansion taking the article onto a completely different tanget.
Lots of information here needs to be deleted and incorporated into an article on Weddings or Wedding, Western traditions or something of the sort.
The term 'White Wedding' has to be defined and the article rewritten, shortened and kept on topic.
Quill 09:22, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Could not agree more! Giano 10:49, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: To help with this can we collect definitions of a white wedding? I've looked in the OED ("white wedding, a wedding at which the bride wears a formal white dress"), but I feel that we may find descriptions in books about wedding planning and the history if weddings even more useful. fabiform | talk 17:26, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll vote 'yea'.  Unfortunately, my (American) dictionaries do not define 'white wedding', neither does Emily Post's Etiquette by Elizabeth L. Post, 14th Ed.  If I get to it this week I'll drag out my specific wedding etiquette books. Quill 06:46, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disaster has struck 

message: In the United States, religion plays no role in the legal requirements for getting married.  I think the article should do a better job at distinguishing between the white wedding tradition and the legal necessities. -Acjelen 04:23, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal requirements 

message: I saw the referenced definitions were removed () with the motivation of "poor sources". However, isn't it better to have non-perfect sources than none at all? Mikael Häggström (talk) 11:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Mikael, I understand why you may think so, but I've learned that at Wikipedia one needs good sources before adding information.  You can read about verifiability and sourcing at WP:V.  This brings me to your more recent addition -- http://www.brollopstorget.se/.  It is not a reliable source for facts of this kind and could also possibly be considered SPAM since it is an industry website in Sweden.  I am not disputing the fact you are sourcing, but you need to find an academic book or paper, or a respectable newspaper that makes this claim, like Svenska Dagbladet.Griswaldo (talk) 13:33, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definitions please 

message: I've removed this:
:At the time of Victoria's wedding, white was considered the color of mourning, and inappropriate for a wedding.Flock, Elizabeth (April 29, 2011) Queen Victoria was the first to get married in white The Washington Post blog. Retrieved June 27, 2011
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because this distinctly dubious claim is sourced to a blog.  The blog cites as its source a book printed almost 100 years ago.  That book gives exactly one example of white being used as a color of mourning—in 1393 (yes, 447 years before Victoria's wedding), in France (yes, a completely different country), and only during a specific funeral for an exiled monarch, rather than as a general practice.  The same underlying source gives many examples of black being used as the primary color of mourning during the Middle Ages (yes, a completely different era, generally agreed to have ended in the 15th century).
Although "white mourning" was the primary color during the Middle ages, it had long been the normal color for normal children's clothing (because it didn't fade when washed), and by the 19th century, it was the normal color for young women and among adults was sometimes used as a color of half-mourning (along with gray and violet).  Black was the primary color of mourning in the 19th century, and even in the 18th century.  Consider, for example, this declaration of public mourning in the London Post of 1702:  "Yesterday an Order was published, by Her Majesty’s Royal Pleasure, That all persons, upon the death of His Late Majesty King William, do put themselves into the deepest mourning that may be, on Sunday next: And that for the incouragement of our English lutestring and a-la-mode manufacture, hatbands of black English a-la-mode, cover’d with crape, will be allow’d as full and proper mourning, &c."  The possibility of wearing white for primary mourning isn't even mentioned.  
Victoria's choice of color was surprising, but only because royal weddings had previously involved cloth of gold, purple, red, and other expensive colors, not because it was associated with mourning.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm quite certain that in the first half of the 19th century, the Catholic Church had white westments for feasts of the Lord excepting those of His passion, for non-martyred saints, and the like. On the other hand, we had black (which Paul VI later would allow to be substituted by violet) for masses for the faithful departed. Do you get my drift? I think so... (This particular thing was not, I presume, a point of dispute between Catholics and Anglicans. I just don't know the Anglican Prayerbook, which is why I commented catholically...)--2.236.198.248 (talk) 23:55, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  White as a color of mourning 

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