Talk:Killing Floor (novel)

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message: I just finished reading Killing Floor myself and discovered to my horror that Lee Child is not exactly a native Latin speaker apparently, though he uses a point in Latin grammar as a major plot point. Unfortunately the "grammar" is completely wrong, so it could elide a derisive snigger from the cognoscenti. The plot point is that the murdered brother leaves the enigmatic phrase "e unum pluribus" as a clue which is supposed to be the reversal of the well-known motto "e pluribus unum." No it isn't! "E unum pluribus" still means the same as "e pluribus unum." Word order didn't mean a thing to the old Romans. They used cases to change meaning in the intended sense. So the clue should have been "Ex uno plures" to achieve the reversal in meaning intended in the plot point if the deceased brother (and Mr. Child) would have known their Latin. The question of course is: should we show up Mr. Child and his ignorance of Latin in this way in wikipedia? And it might give away too much of the plot in the article about the novel. An Ethical Dilemma in other words. I'll therefore refrain from editing the article to put in the above information and leave action to my betters.--Ereunetes (talk) 00:26, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There are not many native Latin speakers. The author went to King Edward's School, Birmingham at a time when Latin was a compulsory subject, and did a degree in Law in England, in which Latin phrases are regularly used.  However, the characters in the book do not have that background. Chemical Engineer (talk) 21:02, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

text: Whaddya mean, "not many native Latin speakers"? There's the whole of Latin America! And they'd tell Ereunetes that it would correctly be ex uno plura (as unum is neuter).Thomas Peardew (talk) 07:44, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.  Yes if unum is neuter, then a reversal would require plura (or pluria --quite heated arguments about that among the old grammarians).  But if the phrase is an allusion to a clause in which unum is in the accusative (definitely possible: see Wikipedia article on the motto's origins), it could be masculine, and then plures would be required. Paleodoc (talk) 17:22, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I'd put it down to "first book blues". There's a whole bunch of plot holes and factual errors in the book that we can happily overlook, like the fact that murdering a police chief doesn't draw the FBI's attention, that it's the US Secret Service not the Treasury Dept who are into money counterfeiting law enforcement, etc. Peter Greenwell (talk) 13:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not an error, before the Department of Homeland Security was created the USSS was a part of the treasury department, so actually it's been both at the time the book came out.178.200.3.229 (talk) 22:49, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

text: I don't think there's any indication in the book that it's meant to be accurate. It's a pun used for the name of an undercover operation because it's mentioned that Joe Reacher likes his pithy little phrases and because of the link to US currency. If anything it is clear that no-one in the book speaks Latin. 199.64.72.252 (talk) 15:29, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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