Talk:Rebekah Brooks

message: A few years ago Wade's paper carried a nude (with breasts in full show) picture of a girl who was 16 on the day of publishing.  The text basically commented on how she was celebrating the fact that she could now do such photo shoots as she was now "legal".  It took another non-newspaper publication to point out that if she was 16 on the day of publishing, she was 15 at the time of the photo shoot.  Therefore under UK law the newspaper and the photographer had engaged in the production and circulation of child pornography.  That story never hit the front page......or any page.  I'll try and find some references to this story so it can be added to the appropriate Wiki pages.
:I think you have this a little wrong.  The episode in question referred to The Sport, which is owned by David Sullivan.  The paper featured many pictures of partially undressed ladies every day, a feature extended to The Star when that was under Sullivan's control.  For several days they ran a daily "clothed" picture of a young lass particularly notable in the pneumatic chest department even in such distinguished company.  The running tag was "she's fifteen, but as soon as she is sixteen, and therefore of legal age, we will have a topless picture".  The pic was published supposedly on her sixteenth birthday, with the implication as you say, either it was not really her sixteenth birthday or else she was underage (it could have been both).  I forget her name of the top of my head, but she did appear quite regularly for a while in top-shelf mags.  Nowadays, of course, glamour models have to be eighteen, in print, on video and on the internet.
:An interesting adjunct to the article is in Footnote [4].  The model Rebekah (Rebekah Parmar) was voted Page 3 Girl for all time (ahead of the likes of Samantha Fox, Linda Lusardi, Jilly Johnson, etc, Jo Guest even) at the height of her career as a hardcore porn model, one has to wonder whether this astonishing result was due to dubious votes on her behalf.
:Guy 23:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usual tabloid hypocrisy #263: paedophilia 

message: I changed the reference to the publication frequency of The Sun newspaper. "Weekday" may be less likely to create confusion, though The Sun publishes on Saturdays, but "daily" is common usage. As seven day newspaper publishing is still rare, it can be assumed readers will not be misled. A.P. Cross (talk) 08:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Daily or weekday?

message: How does one go from a British High School straight to a magazine in Paris? Would that not need very good knowledge in French? It should be explained that she had that. Does that not look like being 'slotted' in? It was in 1988, before the Cold War was over. 144.136.176.129 (talk) 03:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How could the Cold War have been relevant? France and the UK were on the same side. Jim Michael (talk) 00:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Change misspelling of email in phone hacking section.
90.152.41.34 (talk) 14:56, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Looks like it was fixed by Comrade jo with . Favonian (talk) 15:02, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 90.152.41.34, 5 July 2011 

message: Add  to the Phone hacking enquiry section.
:: Daicaregos (talk) 21:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly done: Added the Guardian link into the article. Jnorton7558 (talk) 05:21, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 5 July 2011 

message: Hello!  Please permit editing of this article, as there are numerous objective points that need to be made about Rebekah Brook's nature as a(BLP violation removed).  Kind regards 188.29.149.14 (talk) 20:56, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Take out a logon and you will be able to edit the article. However you must bear in mind that "Wikipedia is not a soapbox", and articles must be written from a "neutral point of view". Continuing the theme of policy, I am also aware talk pages are also not discussion forums but for the avoidance of doubt, I also think Ms Brooks is a nasty piece of work. 87.115.51.134 (talk) 22:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: Please read WP:BLP and WP:NPOV before making comments like that again, and definitely do not add any comments of that nature to articles. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I concur.  After all, Rebekah Brooks extends the same gestures of tact and courtesy to the subjects of her own newspapers, dead or alive. ;-)  188.29.163.230 (talk) 22:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please allow editing 

message: Could someone change the word cellphone to mobile phone?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.122.214.131 (talk) 11:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Favonian (talk) 11:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  UnAmericanise 

message: The Inquirer has NOTW phone hacking protests turn to Wikipedia Rebekah Brooks' Wikipedia page updated in response to her denials, by Madeline Bennett, Wed Jul 06 2011, 13:47  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.16.184 (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hacking the hacker 

message: Some of the sillier edits to this article in the last day or so should probably be WP:REVDELETED.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please either delete them yourself or note them here. Daicaregos (talk) 16:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not an admin so cannot. No wish to point them out, but they are clearly flagged as BLP violations.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done I have revdel'ed the text of six of the "contributions". Favonian (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revdelete 

message: The surname used throughout this article should be Brooks, in accordance with WP:NAMES and the rather odd note about usage at the end of the lead can then be deleted. Exok (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brooks as surname 

message: The Telegraph says "After taking her A-levels she travelled to Paris, where she found a temporary job on the architecture and art journal L’architecture d’Aujourd’hui. Her Who’s Who entry claims that while in the French capital she attended the Sorbonne. Rather than a full degree, she appears to have enrolled on a six month culture, literature and language course for foreign students." 75.59.205.208 (talk) 19:25, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's unsubstantiated speculation by the Telegraph, and the Who's Who entry, which is the main source for the claim that she studied at the Sorbonne, is by her own hand and cannot be considered a valid source (WP doesn't accept unsupported statements where people are talking of themselves). There is really no place for any extended studies at the Sorbonne in her career at the time. Certainly there are summer and part-time courses that are technically run by the Sorbonne (only one of many Paris universities) but when someone says "I studied at the Sorbonne" they normally mean they took a degree there or studied a subject for several terms. The only way this can be mentioned in the article is by putting the emphasis on that she claims to have studied there but pointing out that she's been unwilling to expand on the topic and that there's no real time to fit it in (as pointed out by the guy quoted in that section at present).Strausszek (talk) 17:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorbonne 

message: Mrs Brooks resigned as the Chief Executive of News International this morning; (source: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/07/james-murdoch-resignation)
As chief executive of the company, I feel a deep sense of responsibility for the people we have hurt and I want to reiterate how sorry I am for what we now know to have taken place. I have believed that the right and responsible action has been to lead us through the heat of the crisis. However my desire to remain on the bridge has made me a focal point of the debate. This is now detracting attention from all our honest endeavours to fix the problems of the past. Therefore I have given Rupert and James Murdoch my resignation. While it has been a subject of discussion, this time my resignation has been accepted. Rupert's wisdom, kindness and incisive advice has guided me throughout my career and James is an inspirational leader who has shown me great loyalty and friendship.
I would like to thank them both for their support.  
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bornsloppy (talk • contribs) 09:24, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resignation 

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75.60.7.172 (talk) 14:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: what exactly are you wanting to add from these sources. Monkeymanman (talk) 20:57, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: AP have just announced a 43 year old woman has been arrested...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.106.185 (talk) 12:20, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Believed to be Brooks according to The Guardian website's flash feature. Philip Cross (talk) 12:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a citation from the Mail website, the best option for the moment. Philip Cross (talk) 12:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Daily Mail has BLP citation issues, see Talk:Philip_Mould#Personal_life.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The citation from the Mail was indeed "the best option for the moment", as it was the main one at the time. "For the moment" acknowledged this, I was merely trying to prevent the notice of Brooks' arrest being the cause of an edit war. Ianmacm, the comments you refer to are now only found in the edit history and apply to only one case, rather than the value of the publication for our purposes. Philip Cross (talk) 13:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Other sources have confirmed this, but Jimbo asked for caution in using the Mail as the only source of BLP information after the Philip Mould incident.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:41, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

text:  Thanks, missed this at the time. Philip Cross (talk) 14:06, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

text: -/86.29.71.56 (talk) 17:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has she just been arrested?  43 year old woman?  Sounds like it! 

message: The former NotW editor and head of News International was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to intercept communications and on suspicion of corruption allegations on 17th July 2011. Her arrest was by appointment at a London police station. ["Rebekah Brooks arrested by hacking police", BBC News, 17 Juily 2011]  Her suspected activities were contrary to Section1 (1) Criminal Law Act 1977 and on suspicion of corruption allegations contrary to Section 1 of the Prevention of Corruption Act 1906. [] 86.29.71.56 (talk) 17:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: -/86.29.71.56 (talk) 17:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rebekah Brooks may have broke these laws

message: The entry for the London College of Communication (former London College of Printing and now part of the University of the Arts) has her listed as an alumna of that institution but there is no supporting evidence that I can see. Anyone any further info on this? (Cj1340 (talk) 13:12, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: -- did you make the slightest effort to look? Did looking yourself even occur to you?  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:30, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Blimey! I read the Grauniad every day, fancy missing that! (Cj1340 (talk) 21:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumna status 

message: Can someone remove the smears in the Sorbonne discussion section above?
:These are not smears, see  which says: "Rebekah Brooks' startlingly brief and opaque Who's Who entry mentions time at the Sorbonne, the prestigious Parisian university, but not whether she took a degree."--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:54, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorbonne 

message: Warrington is in the county of Cheshire, not Lancashire.
There are two references to Warrington, Lancashire in this item which need to be corrected to Warrington, Cheshire
Cross reference/Confirmation is the Wikipedia page for Warrington.
Johnstg (talk) 18:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in Lancashire when she was born. Wikipedia states historical fact. It is not a fact that she was born in Warrington, Cheshire, because Warrington was not in Cheshire in 1968. Harry the Dog WOOF 18:09, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Warrington was in Lancashire prior to 1 April 1974, hence she was born in what was then Lancashire. Jim Michael (talk) 21:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Johnstg, 17 July 2011 

message: I removed Brooks mother's maiden name with reference to the WP:BLP policy, the removal has been reverted with the comment that mother's maiden name is standard biographical information. I disagree, this information has no relevance to the subject and concerns the privacy of personal information from primary sources. Suggest that my removal be re-instated, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 13:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, sites like http://www.findmypast.co.uk/ are unsuitable WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:V. Her mother's maiden name is largely irrelevant (we are not doing genealogical research) and the statement that she was born in Warrington still needs a cite.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

text: There are plenty of sources saying that she grew up in Daresbury, eg here. Wikipedia BLP articles are not Who Do You Think You Are? and should keep the family background brief and relevant. Use of public records is definitely not allowed, and could cause lawsuits against the Wikimedia Foundation if people are pointed at documents that could be used for fraud, invasion of privacy etc.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP Concern 

message: Please edit. Warrington is not in Lancashire. It is in Cheshire  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.8.100 (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life, first line 

message: Its been reported in the Telegraph and Guardian that Brooks is still on the payroll of News International. Please could someone update the article with details from the current appointments report included in the blog post below? As far as Companies House are concerned, no resignation as been filed and she remains a current director of News International... Official: Rebekah Brooks has NOT resigned from News International / https://nodpi.org/2011/08/07/official-rebekah-brooks-has-not-resigned-from-news-international/ Fishonabicycle (talk) 15:07, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No News International Resignation Filed? 

message: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5idgM3Q4mL-_bvEthYuDjt9-BHEkw?docId=CNG.4a103f4c12c31f010418ccb1595560e0.9b1
So at what point do we mention the baby?©Geni 04:10, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kid apparently on the way

message: From the first paragraph: "In 2008 she was loaned a police horse by Scotland Yard for her Oxfordshire farm."  -What is the significance of this sentence? or how is it relevant? Jdevola (talk) 04:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significance or relevance of content 

message: Ed,
I work for a Middle Eastern university and there is usually total bafflement over gender titles.
In translation "CHAIR" is readily understood and acceptable but after this gets untranslatable. The correct and long established titles for Mrs Rebekah Brooks are "EXECUTRIX" and "EDITORESS". Would you please amend the article so that it can be readily understood in translation.AT Kunene (talk) 06:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles 

message: Is it a bit early to create an article on R v Brooks and Brooks? PatGallacher (talk) 16:52, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trial 

message: I added an extremely short reference to Charlie Brooks purely so that those like myself, not particularly interested in him have a little more background.
I felt the introduction was the best palace as it has the link to him though this is less clear cut.  This BLP is very contentious but having been given a proper explanation, I hope you agree these 6 words enhance the article rather than adding to the controversy.   Regards JRPG (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is wandering off into a side issue, and could also be construed as an association fallacy. It is not hugely important that Charlie Brooks and David Cameron were at Eton together, and it is not really relevant for the WP:LEAD of this article. It fits in better in the BLP of Charles Patrick Evelyn Brooks.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:17, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference in introduction to husband's background. 

message: Warrington was still in Lancashire when Rebekah Wade was born.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 01:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warrington 

message: I find it a bit disturbing that in the introduction it is necessary to read through several paragraphs about the allegations and court appearances before finally getting to a one-liner to say that she was acquitted. I think that out of respect for a person acquitted by the court on all charges, the acquittal ought to be mentioned far earlier in the description, and that this consideration should outweigh any desire to present things in chronological order.
Also, details about the magistrates' court appearance are in any case too low-level detail for an intro section. Any trial at Crown Court will be preceded by an initial hearing in front of a magistrate in any case, so the exact date and place of that initial hearing are really pretty minor details that can be dealt with lower down. It looks like the intro section has just grown organically as the story progressed, but I think that now is the time to restructure and shorten it, omitting minor details, and (as stated above) giving a respectful prominence to the fact of her acquittal. --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 12:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have have a tidy up of the lead per due weight, all the information is still in the article body. MilborneOne (talk) 16:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  intro section 

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message: The opening sentence describes her as "discredited," but no explanation as to how or why she is discredited is ever given. The only criminal charges mentioned were those for which she was found not guilty, and any infidelity she may have been guilty of might imply she's immoral, but certainly shouldn't affect her professional reputation. 64.246.156.201 (talk) 07:33, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Discredited"