Talk:Telecommunications device for the deaf

message: When I get a chance I'll make this into a prettier article. I'll take a photo of my TDD and whack it in there as well.
Righteo, I did the subheadings, the TOC, photo and etiquette section. The other text I did not modify. Let me know what you think, break it is you want :)
The photo is released to the public domain, do anything you like with it.
--Sclozza 11:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fix up 

message: move. Although there was only the nominator's opinion in favor of a move and one person's weak opposition for a move, I feel that the singular is a better name. It is singular in the American Heritage Dictionary and comes up with 331,000 Google results vs. 56,700 for the plural (85%). Finally, while not invariable, the singular form is usually preferred for article titles. If anyone opposes my decision, let me know and I will reconsider. You also have my support if you want to just go through the requested move process again in case immediate re-requests are frowned upon. -- Kjkolb 08:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Not all TTYs are TDDs. the TTY was invented in the 1930s and became popular in the 50s mostly for military use. The initials TTY stands for TeleTYpe and is a military designation having nothing to do with deafness. I had a model 50 Teletype that was made in the 1940s and it worked fine over the telephone at 50 baud but typed in all upper case. The use of TTYs for deaf communication was practiced by deaf ham radio operators long before the TDD or was conceived. Robert Weitbrecht invented nothing, that is why articles state that he is credited with inventing the TTY. It is known that many TTYs were used for deaf communication prior to 1960. Robert Weitbrecht did successfully popularize and helped standardize the device and deserves credit for that.
:Comparing a google search for TTY vs one for TDD makes me wonder if the article should not in fact be renamed TTY? ntennis 02:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: All TDD's are TTYs

message: I've been struggling with trying to determine who makes TTY/TDD software applications, voice modems, etc. and am wondering if it would go against the scope of Wikipedia to include a list of available resources to this Wikipedia page. Normally links to commercial vendors from the wiki are frowned on which is why I'm proposing the idea here.  So far I've found
* myTTY for Windows manufactured by IDRT. It does not look like the product has been updated since 2004 but that it works with Windows 98 and has a patch available for "all Windows operating systems" though I have no idea if that means it'll work with Vista for example. This is a software-only package meaning you also need to get a voice modem (not a standard modem).
* NexTalk-VM for Windows manufactured by NXi Communications. NXi sells the software with a voice modem as a package though they say they will sell you the software only if you have a compatible voice modem. They do not have a list of compatible devices though.
* CallTTY for Windows manufactured by DXsoft. This is aimed at the HAM radio market and entails that you construct an interface circuit.  One benefit is that it uses a standard sound card and not the much harder to find voice modem.
Voice Modems  - Would any V.253 standard modem qualify or do I need to look for something else?
The following are included for completeness but it looks like the companies offering them are out of business as of 2007.
* Fulltalk for Windows manufactured by Microflip, Inc.  This is an ISA voice modem card meaning it will not work with newer PCI-only computers. The Microflip web site is down and it's assumed this company is no longer in business.
* Futura-TTY for MS-DOS and maybe Windows manufactured by Phone-TTY, Inc.
* SoftTTY for the Macintosh.
I've deliberately not linked to the vendor's web sites as to not run afoul of linking policies. The frustration is that with a voice modem it would seem straightforward enough to generate the Baudot signaling codes meaning TTY/TTD software should be common but isn't.
Marc Kupper (talk) (contribs) 23:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Software TTY/TDD and commercial links 

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message: I am an infrequent contributor, so I won't pretend to know all about the authoring and editing process. I encountered this article during the course of research. It would be nice to have some more authoritative sources referenced (if such exist). At first pass, I found no way to validate the historical account.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.162.60.38 (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations? 

message: I've deleted a section of the article titled "Controversy". It contained
:In 1986 the TDD was made obsolete by the VED that did not require a device on the other end of the phone line. The Visual Enunciation Display was difficult to read and never produced commercially. Some of the VED displays are still in use and a not-for-profit organization in Texas hand-assembles units for deaf people who need them for employment.
:The display's official name is in sign language with no direct English-word translation. The name VED is no longer used, to avoid confusion with the TDD. The sign starts with two fingers pointing at the eyes followed by waving similar to the sign for sound except coming from the eyes not the ear. The Deaf Communicator devices do have an English-model designation starting with Deafcomm1 followed by unique numbers for each model.
:Several other devices have been developed that work even better but none are available commercially at this time. The TDD and its TTY variants remain the only non-experimental officially recognized device for deaf telecommunications.
My problems with this section are:
* A complete lack of citations nor anything that could be used to verify this. "Visual Enunciation Display" and "Deafcomm1" only finds this Wikipedia article or copies of it. It's possible this entire thing was made up and added to the article as a form of vandalism.
* As stated - it appears to be an experimental device that was never produced commercially.
* It's a minor point but I'm not sure why the section was named "Controversy" and not "Visual Enunciation Display (VED)".
* As it "did not require a device on the other end of the phone line" it's not clear that this used TDD signaling at all though as it does seem to qualify as a "Telecommunications device for the deaf".
* I have a problem with the last sentence as it ignores the availability of devices such as the Captioned Telephone or the Telecommunications Relay Service.
It would be great if someone could dig up reliable/verifiable sources about the VED so that something could be added back to the article as this does seem to be one of the historical devices used to allow the deaf to communicate over via the telephone system. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visual Enunciation Display (VED) 

message: The article doesn't seem to mention the following:
* The use of 711 to call the voice end of a TTY/voice relay. Is that just in Massachusetts or throughout the USA? How about Australia and other countries?
* Alternatives to TTY, such as voice/ASL interpretation via videophone.
David Spector (talk) 20:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  711 and alternatives 

message: Under Baudot Protocol, information on what two frequencies should be included. I used to know them, but unfortunately I forgot them.  ~~Hartmut, 30 April 2012  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.240.98 (talk) 17:51, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Baudot Protocol

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message: I once worked for an outreach service which among other things had services for the deaf.  They operated a Braille TTY that was helpful to people who were both deaf and blind.  It could of course be useful to blind people.  Perhaps that should be covered in this article.  Ealtram (talk) 15:28, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Braille TTYs 

message: In the text: "Thus as society increasingly moves toward IP based telecommunication, the telecommunication devices used by people who are deaf will not be TDDs. In the US the devices are referred to as TTYs."
It is unclear whether TDDs are known as TTYs in the US; or whether the successor to TDDs are known as TTYs in the US. 2600:4040:5129:B300:C169:5ECC:1E30:4B90 (talk) 14:11, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear