Talk:Muhammad Abduh

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message: "I went to the West and saw Islam, but no Muslims; I got back to the East and saw Muslims, but not Islam."
— Muhammad Abduh 
The source for this quote is just a link to a different article using the quote un-sourced, does anyone know of a better source for this quote? It gets attributed to Abduh frequently but I've never seen it in any of his writings and all resources I've dug up with some preliminary googling just attribute it to Abduh without a source as well.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.123.26.42 (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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message: Should explain how he was seen as being a modernizing reformer of Islam in his day, but now the Muslim Brotherhood lays claim to be the heirs of Abduh... AnonMoos (talk) 19:23, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: There is something odd in the similarity between this sentence, at the bottom of the political views section:
>>It is a surprising information that Hanna Abi Rashid, then chief of the masonic lodge in Beirut, wrote in the book "Da’irat al-ma’arif al-Masoniyya" that “Jamal ad-Din Afghani was the chief of the masonic lodge in Egypt, which had about three hundred members, mostly scholars and state officials." [25]
and this sentence in the page on Mohammed Abduh, at the end of the biography section:
>>It is a surprising information that Hanna Abi Rashid, then chief of the masonic lodge in Beirut, wrote in the book "Da’irat al-ma’arif al-Masoniyya" that “Muhammad Abduh was one of the leading names of the masonic lodge in Egypt, which had about three hundred members, mostly scholars and state officials." [9]
I don't have access to the book (and can't read Arabic), but it seems odd to me that the author would write almost the exact same thing about Afghani and Abduh in almost identical words. The only difference in wording is that Afghani is said to have been chief of the Masonic lodge and Abduh is said to have been a leading member. Is the reference accurate? Is the book reliable? That is, should we trust that Afghani and Abduh were Masons? 
I recommend that the lines on the Masonic lodge be deleted in both articles unless the source can be verified and someone can explain why this "surprising information" is relevant. 
I also posted this comment on the page for Afghani.  
Update: Ok, no reply in 24 hours, so I'll take out that line. 204.191.130.148 (talk) 04:17, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd bit about Masonic Lodge 

message: @User:CheckDigit1 and @DA1, the issue with freemasonry is simple. We have some sources which attribute the subject of this article to freemasonry. Thus, the most neutral wording is indeed "According to some sources" because that's a statement of fact.
Now, did Abduh ever attribute himself positively to freemasonry? I don't know. If a reliable source can be found in which he states that himself, then it can be written as a simple fact here on the encyclopedia. If he didn't openly declare himself a member, then we revert to the factual statement "According to some sources." That's the simplist way to deal with this. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:36, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freemasonry 

message: According to Juan R. I. Cole in A Dialogue on the Baha'i Faith, p. 8 (http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/articles/A-E/cole/abduh/abduh2.gif) we read that "Abduh's admiration for Abdul Baha'i and the Baha'i movement was very great, at least as of 1897, and it is difficult to believe that he was uninformed about the nature of the Baha'i faith"
I have reverted changes to the opening text to reflect this. RookTaker (talk) 09:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abduh and Bahai'ism 

message: As far as I can tell, Islamic modernism grew out of the early Salafi movement, which later became more conservative in nature. In any case, Abduh's connection with both movements is well-documented and both should therefore be mentioned. (If anything, by the standards of WP:RS the sourcing for Salafi is of better quality.) HGilbert (talk) 14:44, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salafi and Islamic modernism