Talk:Scout Promise

message: The Netherlands is one of the few countries where it is allowed to leave out the reference to God in the Promise. This is stated very clearly by the Dutch Scouting Organisation (I'm sorry I cannot supply an english link). The WOSM has agreed to this in the past, because the right to do so was granted apparently by Baden Powell and his wife . I clarified things a bit and moved this topic to a separate paragraph, because the text below the Dutch promise became bigger and bigger. :) Cpt. Morgan 18:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the situation is that when WOSM agreed to the current wording, it also allowed Associations who did not comply to keep their wording. The new policy or guidelines allied only to the future. I am not sure that the Netherlands is the only organisation that it applied to. I believe it applied to organisations that were in WOSM as part of a federal body in their country. See what I said earlier lower down this page. --Bduke 20:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the wording of my comment a bit and included a reference. Sorry about that, looks like it crossed your reply. As I stated in main article and as you can find in the reference above, six countries were apparently granted the right to an alternative promise by Baden Powell and his wife. WOSM and WAGGGS have decided not to oppose this right, although they do discourage the use of any alternative promise. Cpt. Morgan 21:03, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Netherlands

message: What is the reference for the Outlander Promise? When and where did B-P introduce this. WP sources should be given, but more importantly I think many people will be interested in this and will want to cite it. Bduke 21:10, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hardly think the links I gave above are an urban legend. They are clear evidence that some traditional Scouting organisations use this and accredit it back to B-P. It is mentioned also in the article under "non-WOSM" and the 2st Tarrant. I have added a link there. I would not have thought it was beyond the capabilities of the Scouting Project for someone to check the editions of Scouting for Boys around 1912. I have tried here but we do not have a complete set of editions in Melbourne. It is really quite important because it indicates that B-P did not always have the view that God was an essential component of Scouting. I think his view changed backwards and forward on this issue and was not as rigid as some Scouters maintain. But so be it, if you insist on removing this interesting historical curio. It can be put back later. --Bduke 23:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the only controversy is whether B-P wrote it, not whether it existed. I think it may have been in the second edition, 1967-84, of the Boy Scouts of America Fieldbook. --Jagz 23:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Outlander promise

message: I am wondering about this sentence at the top of the article - "The form of the promise has varied slightly from country to country and over time, but must fulfill the requirements of the World Organisation of the Scout Movement to qualify a National Scout Association for membership.". It does not address the situation where there is more than one national association and they form a federation to join WOSM. In some of these cases, as I understand it, some of the member organisations of such Federal bodies have a Promise that does not meet WOSM rules because they had it before WOSM made the rule and are allowed to keep it. The organisations I have in mind are those with an anti-clerical background that exist in some European countries alongside Catholic or Protestant Scout organisations.  Of course my knowledge of this is recall from the 1960s so I could be completely incorrect. Can any of our European friends add anything and suggest how this article can reflect their situation as well las the USA, UK, Australia, etc. situations where there is a National Scout Association and no other affiliated to WOSM? --Bduke 00:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promise where there is not a single National Organisation

message: The Scouting controversies and concerns article needs to be expanded by the addition of Scouting problems and controversies from countries and regions around the world. --Jagz 09:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect that when you use the expression "Boy Scouts" you really mean "Boy Scouts of America". Although most have now been co-ed for decades, almost all countries initially had "Boy Scouts". It makes your comment quite confusing. HiLo48 (talk) 08:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: "Boy Scouts of America"  is the proper name or BSA for short; Boy Scouts could be used as a shortcut when the context is only US.  BTW the Venturing program of the BSA has been co-ed for decades and has used the same words as the main program (since 2014).  I will also note that there are other nations which are still boys only (e.g., Saudi Arabia). Also many of the organizations have in the past been single sex and this article does cover history.  Probably safest to use the organization's name or abbreviation to avoid confusion.  --Erp (talk) 04:22, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

text: And precisely what did you mean by "Boy Scouts" in THAT sentence? Please remember that this Encyclopaedia is global, as is this article, and many of the potential readers. I was a Boy Scout once, and I'm not American. HiLo48 (talk) 23:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

text: No. No matter what Americans think (or fail to think), many of us grow up with completely different mindsets. It doesn't matter where I'm from, apart from the fact that it's not the USA. We all really must continually recognise and address the global nature of both this encyclopaedia and Scouting. HiLo48 (talk) 23:49, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scouting Controversies and Concerns article needs expansion 

message: The Scout promises of France and Venezuela can be found here . --Jagz 19:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scout promises of France and Venezuela 

message: According to the article the Netherlands and the Czech Republic are the only two WOSM scouting organizations with no duty to god (or equivelent such as duty to my religion) yet the Israeli Scout promise does not have this.  I've double checked the Israeli promise and it does seem to be correct so it seems the statement about the Czech Republic and the Netherlands is wrong.--Erp 17:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Netherlands and the Czech Republic are the only ones who have a alternative promise without a reference to God who were granted that right by the WOSM and the WAGGGS and still using that right. So the Israeli Scout promise is more or less illegal or the WOSM and the WAGGGS have forgotten that that right was also granted to the Israeli Scouts or the WOSM and the WAGGGS are just happy there is just one scouting organization in Israel and think that is more important than a reference to God in the promise. --Egel Reaction? 11:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be interesting to know which.  There is also a possibility of a bad translation; the promise has duties to both my country and my land and I'm not sure how those two are separated.  I would also be interested in knowing whether this is the same promise used by all the members of the Israeli federation or just that of the Hebrew Scout Movement.  Unfortunately many of the web pages seem to conflate Hebrew Scout Movement and the parent federation and I can't find any pages on the other members of the federation.--Erp 18:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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