Talk:Mentat

message: I noticed the inclusion of the latin meaning, the including of the canon source of the term by Erasmus, the removal of the latin meaning and its reinstatement. I have to admit that I do agree there is a place in the article for both canon, and for interesting (ie encyclopedic) facts about the book. My only question is whether this is known fact and can be backed up by sources, or whether this is just an assumption (A good one at that I might add) of where Frank Herbert would have gotten the term originally? Sadly, wikipedia is about verifyable and sourced facts... so unless someone can find reference somewhere to it having a latin base, it might have to be added to a different section about speculation just so that other readers do not take that to be gospel that it actually *IS* what Frank Herbert based the term on. Enigmatical 04:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As an example,Brian Herbert has been quoted in sources as saying that the term "Bene Gesserit" was used by Frank specifically because it sounded like "Jesuit" and thus it is a verifiable source of what Frank was thinking at the time. Can a similar quote be sourced anywhere stating the same thing about the use of Mentat? Enigmatical 04:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dune Encyclopedia is not facts though.  It is fancon, not canon.  Dionyseus 04:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that, but wikipedia is about providing not only canon information but also interesting facts and additions which people may want to read. I would like to know the source for teh dune encyclopedia... while its content may not be canon, was there any involvement of Frank Herbert at all? Could any information in there be something of interest outside of the book content itself? See my example above about Bene Gesserit. It isn't "canon" that the name was used specifically to sound like "Jesuit" and yet it certainly should be included in the article because it is an interesting fact which can be verified by other sources coming directly from those involved in the work. I dont think its fair to simply state "its not canon = it doesn't go in". For now however (and to stop an edit war) I think it best to leave it out until a source can be verified to put it in. Enigmatical 04:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well looking at the proposed sentence one can quickly see that it is merely a guess, an assumption, not based on facts.  Here's the proposed sentence that I think does not belong in the article: The name mentat is probably derived from, or at least is reminiscent of the latin root "of the mind" (mentis).  Dionyseus 04:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canon vs Encyclopedia 

message: I have removed the following from the article until it can be referenced; my own search of the Prelude text files comes up with no use of the key phrases in this mantra. ("acquire speed", "dream acquires form", etc.)
The original mantra is the one used by Piter De Vries in Prelude to Dune:
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by intent that thoughts acquire speed, the dream acquires form, the form pervades reality.
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
TAnthony 02:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the "original" have been the movie version? --Gwern  (contribs) 02:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The mantra does not appear in any of the Dune books, including the Prelude to Dune series.  The mantra that TAnthony quoted comes from the original movie.  Dionyseus 02:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Mentat Mantra

message: User gwern> Why did you delete my Altar of Sacrifice section and why didn't you put a motivation/explanation for it here? Altar of Sacrifice section Created on 01:11, 24 May 2007 deleted by user gwern on 01:24, 24 May 2007 
62.195.208.30 20:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because there is no reason for it to be included. If the band or whatever isn't important enough to have an article, then how on earth could a mention of Mentats by them be so important it should be included here? --Gwern  (contribs) 22:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Gabber seems to be a genre, no? It certainly may be notable, I don't dispute, but I still don't see why this particular group producing gabber-style music (Altar of Sacrifice) is important. --Gwern  (contribs) 01:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular culture

message: Clearly, Mentats are notable within the Dune universe, which itself is one of the most acclaimed sci-fi series in existence. I also think this article is adequately sourced, and not just an expansion on an unimportant term (which would render it not notable). In any case, I believe this user is misinterpreting the notability guidelines in this case, and I'm not sure what we do to guarantee that the article stays. TAnthony 00:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Gwern removed the tag, it's quite clear that Mentats are one of the most notable subjects of the Dune universe.  Dionyseus 01:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability?

message: I've removed the following unsourced bit, which sounds like a huge stretch to me. Also, the editor had the last name as Albus, which does mean "white," but in the novels it is "Albans." TAnthony 15:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia removed

message: This article mentions "supra-logic". What does that mean?  It is not in any dictionary and is not in Encyclopedia Brittanica.  I have seen other references but only in religious contexts.  Nonetheless, if the term "supra-logic" is used in this article, perhaps it should be expanded upon further and/or have a reference link.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.249.47.207 (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Supra-logic