Talk:Orange Revolution

message: This article looks good, but it needs a heckuvalot more citations all over the article (except the last bit of "Political Developments," this looks good) in order to qualify for GA rank. This will stay in place for a maximum of 7 days. Thank you. Diez2 00:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: The British Helsinki Human Rights Group has exposed these charges to be unsubstantiated. This article is immensely biased in favor of Yushchenko and the western media that fabricated the "orange revolution". http://www.bhhrg.org/CountryReport.asp?CountryID=22 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.105.99.126 (talk) 22:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: user:Jacob Peters, fist of all, you are banned from editing. If you are interested to contribute, appeal your ban to ArbCom and give them a word to not create sockpuppets anymore. We'll see what they rule, but now you are deservingly banned. Nevertheless, I am trying to accommodate whatever reasonable I can find in your edits. To start with, I could not find anything that confirms the reliability of www.bhhrg.org. Sorry, this is unusable. The WP ref you added is somewhat worthwile, but you deliberately gave a vague ref. I strongly suspect that the reason was that you knew that it does not say what you claim it does. Anyway, here is the ref from WP on that day that you refused to give in full:
*Mike Allen, John F. Harris, It's Her Party and She'll Cry If She Wants To, The Washington Post, January 2, 2005
I am posting it here and we can include what it says into the article but not your nonsense assertion. --Irpen 02:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Whatever. If you didn't quack so loudly, Jacob, you might take more people in. You are not wanted on the English Wikipedia. Please take your disruptive activities elsewhere. Moreschi  Talk 14:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, I am ready to consider using bhhrg provided I get any references that assert its reliability. Its own claims of being reliable are not enough. The WP article is indeed usable and I will add the info from it. --Irpen 21:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed allegations of vote fraud 

message: Even though there have been some improvements in the number of sources and citations in the article, many claims go widely unsourced, and there still is one section in the article without a source. I do thank Irpen for trying to improve this. Come back in a little while with a few more citations and try again. Thank you! Diez2 15:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries, Diez2. I am aware of the article's deficiencies of which lack of inline refs in the primary one. The only label that IMO is worth the bother is an FA one and this article is very far from it. Referencing and expanding it will continue slowly and I agree that as of now it is unfit for GA. Thanks for your feedback anyway. --Irpen 19:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: Is it worth putting in something about this? Russia cutting off gas supplies...—Preceding unsigned comment added by Malick78 (talk • contribs) 
:Maybe a quick mention, but I would not expand it under this entry.  Russia-Ukraine gas dispute material however can be used for Ukraine-Russia foreign relations article.--Riurik(discuss) 22:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian Reaction

message: Can anyone please explain how is this image related? First of all it has no source it was done by Ukrainian artists nor whether it published during the time of the Orange revolution. Even if both of those events are proven, how is Putin dressed in Stalin's attire related to the events in Ukraine in 2004? There is nothing wrong with a carricature, but select a relevant one , not some abstract image. --Kuban Cossack 18:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The relationship between Putin and Orange Revolution is straightforward in that Volodia twice got involved visiting Ukraine while campaigning for Yanyk and then recognized the fraudulent elections.  But I agree that the image has no source of its origin and is problematic in other ways.--Riurik(discuss) 21:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hail Putin

message: I always got the impression that there was a supremacist undertone to a lot of "Orange Revolution" proclamations, especially when Yushchenko never missed an opportunity to say something like "all real Ukranians support us", and in the context of suppression of Russian-language education, etc. I just now found an academic study saying, "The parties that orchestrated the Orange Revolution had several objectives that had some ethnic and/or nationalistic content and were generally considered to be ethnicity-wise pro-Ukrainian," and which found that "ethnic Russians were less likely to vote pro-Orange than ethnic Ukrainians just prior to the Orange Revolution and this is independent of their preferences for a western type market economy and a western type democracy." [ftp.iza.org/dp2530.pdf]
Would someone with more expertise on the issue care to include this aspect of matters, or to collaborate with me on it? Eleland 15:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic-nationalist aspects 

message: Do you guys think we should try for the GA status again? — Alex 00:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding GA 

message: I hate to put in 'citation needed' tags, but I really think that this statement could use one: 
"Under intense scrutiny by domestic and international observers, the second run-off was declared to be "fair and free""
The best I've managed to find is a Washington Post article but it doesn't mention anything about "intense scrutiny by domestic and international observers":  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Illu45 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Needed? 

message: The last section, on Russian influence is almost completely uncited and contains rather a lot of claims which certainly need to be cited. I will have a closer look when I have time. As I cite I have removed the following weasel words:
: Most observers agree that the  campaign received significant contribution from Russian state-controlled businesses.
Thehalfone (talk) 13:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Involvement of outside forces 

message: Should there be a "Legacy" section in this article? It is claimed that the elections in Ukraine where are democratic because of the Orange Revolution. Also something about the celebrations could be written there. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 18:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if these events should be mentioned in the article....
*Forbidden celebration of 7th anniversary of Orange Revolution in Kyiv. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:49, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy 

message: If an editor would wrote:”…according to the der Spiegel this election marked the end of the Orange revolution…” that would make sense. See Wikipedia:No original research. 1 editor saying, "Yo, it's over" looks Point of view pushing. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 08:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of the revolution? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Background speculations are biased about external involvement of US & EU assistance without comparable discussions of Russian interventions.
Reference [49] is an unattributed pdf flysheet. 174.45.228.145 (talk) 17:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background speculations section is biased 

message: Why no mention of the sign-language interpreter, Nataliya Dmytruk?
I was under the impression that her act of defiance was one of the catalysts that sparked the Orange Revolution.
[Dmytruk]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.156.154 (talk) 12:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing. 

message: "was a series of protests and political events, engineered and controlled by Mossad and CIA"
Is stated in the first sentence, no sources provided, CIA is mentioned once more and the Mossad not at all.
And when the CIA is mentioned it's as a conspiracy theory by Russian Nationalists: "In Russian nationalist circles the Orange Revolution has been linked with fascism because, albeit marginal, Ukrainian nationalist extreme right-wing groups and Ukrainian Americans (including Viktor Yushchenko's wife, Kateryna Yushchenko, who was born in the United States) were involved in the demonstrations; Russian nationalist groups see both as branches of the same tree of fascism. The involvement of Ukrainian Americans lead them to believe the Orange Revolution was steered by the CIA."
If there are no sources for CIA/Mossad involvement this should be cut from the first paragraph. QykD7Aa8 (talk) 11:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources on CIA involvement 

message: Since people do not tend to talk about an 'Independent' France, Germany or USA, why are is this word being used in relation to the Ukraine? If the article is to be considered natural, should it not avoid questionable or loaded terms?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.151.2.120 (talk) 18:54, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independent Ukraine, a loaded term? 

message: Under the heading "Background: Visits of Vladimir Putin to Ukraine in 2004", it states "In 2004 the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin has made a record of 8 visits to Ukraine." No source is provided for this assertion, but a link is provided under the heading to the article "List of international presidential trips made by Vladimir Putin". A look at that page shows 5 visits Putin made to Ukraine in 2004. So it appears that either that list is incomplete or the assertion that he visited 8 times is in error, or some combination thereof. Can anyone help resolve this? Bricology (talk) 23:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many times did Putin visit Ukraine in 2004?