Talk:Sixth Pillar of Islam

message: "So jihad is the fight to defend Islam (holy war) that must be practiced." - that sentence might do well being represented maintaining context of the struggle before bringing in holy war. It's also pretty short to use that citation for. As a sixth unofficial pillar amongst muslims , which maybe could in the future be presented to those not familiar, that could be misleading, or open a can of worms, or fighting in the religion, or any number of problems from explaining the struggle limited to jihad and holy war outside of the quran.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.250.86.26 (talk) 08:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

message: Jihaad is a act of struggle that becomes obligatory to the muslims in specific occassions and becomes voluntary in other occasions. It has nothing to do with ´Pillars of Islam´. Islam has it´s sources in the Holly Kur´an and the Authentic Hadeeth, so anything that has no evidence in these sources cannot be prescribed as Islam.
:I understand why you say that, but the fact is that many Muslims disagree with you. I don't think it should count as a sixth pillar of Islam, but I don't get a vote because I am not a member of the Islamic community. So so many Muslims teach that it is a pillar of Islam, we are obligated to report this teaching. We don't have to agree with it. We can diagree all we want, it just won't change it, though. - User:RK
::"Many"? This is straight out of the pages of miniscule grouplets like Takfir wal-Hijra. - Mustafaa 23:07, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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message: I have deleted the words "or personal struggle" from the following sentence
A few Muslims, mainly some Kharijite groups in ancient times and members of Egyptian Islamic Jihad (or personal struggle) recently, have taught that Jihad should be considered the sixth pillar of Islam.
It was misleading. Jihad can mean personal struggle, but not exclusively so. Jihad can also be interpreted to mean war. I have not suggested that it means one or the other. There is a link to the meaning of jihad in the sentence.
To suggest that it only means 'personal stuggle' is editorialising.
Montalban (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Jihad as personal struggle

message: According to Khaled Abou el Fadl in his The Great Theft: Wrestling Islam from the Extremists, the sixth pillar was nothing to do with jihad, but rather the obligation upon all Muslims to refrain from evil, and to do good, both in personal terms, and in the larger social context. The puritan version of Islam (Wahhabi/salafi) which is currently dominant teaches that this obligation being enshrined in the law already, there is no need to have it as a separate pillar. El Fadl is not clear on exactly when this sixth pillar was thought up, when it was thought incumbent, or when it fell by the wayside, but the point is clear: the sixth pillar, so-called, has nothing to do with jihad, thus, most of what's on this page is nonsense. The talk section also has a couple of people saying they will delete those comments, yet the comments remain, thus, it looks like we have a case of vandalism. Theonemacduff (talk) 16:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Footing 

message: An IP contributor applied a  to this article, which I removed.  Prod's are only supposed to be used when the challenger thinks no one is going to disagree.  But many people have contributed to this article, so there would be disagreement.
I supplied a couple of references.  More exist.  Geo Swan (talk) 18:51, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  I removed a prod