Talk:Rashtrakutas/Archive 1

message: I am not sure how to create a map that shows Rashtrakuta Territories.
Can someone please do this. 
Dinesh Kannambadi
:Done! - Parthi (Venu62) 23:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rashtrakuta Territories 

message: Please let me know that is there any family with title of chalukya or Rashtrakuta other than Marathas .Among marathas these same families even today are found in lesser but definitely in a respectable position.e.g Hon MLA Shivajirao Chalukya from Latur.Shri Sadguru Gagagngiri maharaji who happens from satara/kolhapur district.Please remember that Rashtrakutas and Chalukyas both originated on the borders of modern day Maharashtra and Karnataka.So to classify them as modern day marathi or Kannada fanatic is no fun.Rather I can say Vijayangar empire and Maratha empire inherited this legacy.Both empire defended mother India beyond doubt.So let us take a mutual stand to respect each other keeping aside political tone.So that we can contribute more to this site.
kasarKasar 16:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ORIGIN OF RASHTRAKUTAS OR CHALUKYAS

message: Thanks for your reply.Please note that I am not vandalising the website.Rather I have mentioned that there is something common glorius history of Maharashtra and Karnataka both.That is why I have praised the role of Vijayanagar empire.
I do not refuse any research by any scholar including Nilkantha Shastri or Romila Thapar or any one.
What I have simply asked that there are certain families in maharashtra who are aknowledged as descendent of these dynasties.That is why I asked whether any such families are there? I am sure they will be there.
In modern times also please see royal dynasty of Tanjore,Guti,Bagalkot,Sondur are marathas.But they have supported the local language.
--So let us understand there will be chalukyas or Rashtrkutas on both side as the division is modern.
--Forget the point of difference ,let us contribute to enrich their achievements.OK
Kasar 10:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: reply

message: A concerned wikipedian notified me about this article to check if it has any vandalism,pushing of POV.Although I have very liitle knowledge of the topic,by the discussion here and reading the article,it seeems actually,the pushing of POV,possible vandalism  and distortion of facts is being done.The frequent edits is done by an editor who has a bad record of a fanatic linguist and racist.
Frequent mentions Karntaka,kannada language signify that this article is being targetted by Kannadi vandalists just like numerous others.Also see the earlier discussions on this page itself.A user is trying associate everything and anything with a certain community unnecessary.Result-a advt like article aimed for glorifying a certain state and community.
I request the experts and scholars to thoroughly examine this article and find out shortcomings,sermons,vandalism etc and make necessary changes.
mahawiki 14:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Vandalism? 

message: Dear Mr. Mahawiki. Yes you are right. You have no knowledge of this matter. Also, I think I know the concerned wikipedian you mention. The three authors I have referenced from are all reputed authors. One of them is a Padma Bhusan winner from Delhi (Thapar, who refused to accept it) and a Sahitya academy award winner for 1973 (Kamath from Karnataka). The third author (K.A.N Sastri) is from Tamil Nadu (Univ. of Madras)and is not only well known but is also closely associated with Oxford university. Go ahead and buy those books, read it carefully before tagging this page. Ofcourse to read books you need to make time away from warring on wikipedia. Keep your prejudices and frustrations out of Wikipedia. I had a feeling you would be doing this shortly, the way you have been warring on other pages. The material on this page is fully accurate, WITHOUT copyvio and has taken months to compile. I have largely maintained this page myself from the last year and a half. I cant be vandalising my own material. Do you know what Vandalism means? Yes, every now and then, people like you who have major linguistic issues and territorial prejudices try to POV and call whatever does not suit your ego and narrow mind  as "rubbish", "Kannada propaganda" and such.
You pointed out that the word Karnataka and Kannada has been used too many times, yet you dont seem to be aware that the great empire ruled from present day Karnataka. You dont seem to have the decency to appreciate the trouble I have taken to unearth info on sanskrit litearture (Sanskrit having come from the north) nor do you appreciate the info I have dug up about comments from historians about the monuments of Maharashtra (Ellora).
Keep your hatred for other languages, states and people of other cultures outside wikipedia.
I am removing the tag untill such a time you develop the habit of purchasing these books, reading them and try to disprove the content.
Ofcourse, you are also free to purchase other similar books on the same topic. Remember, The infomation on this page is "VALID UNTILL PROVEN WRONG". You have no right to make accusations without proof. Also, dont leave any messages in my user page as I prefer to maintain my sanity and prefer not to directly communicate with people like you. Whatever discussions you have do it on this page. 
Dinesh Kannambadi
I wonder being an educated and well-informed person(atleast ur page claims so),how comne ur so narrow minded and judgemental.How come Marathi has no mentions above?Stop cribbing about Shravanbellor sript.U cant prove Kannada is great and Karnataka is great by proving Marathi is new blah blah and marketing ur Kannadi culture everywhere.
I also request u to go beyond ourkarntaka.com and what all Kannadi fanatic websites u refer.Since other users have also questioned  ur Kannadi marketing here,the neutrality tag is here to stay.And I have no liking to write on ur talk page,i was applauding my Marathi friend who indeed gave a firebrand reply to ur notorious post against Maharashtra.Stop behaving like kannada chauvinist.There is more in world beyond ur Karnataka,Kannada and Kannadis.
mahawiki 04:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Read the source material before making accusations[[User:Dineshkannambadi|Dineshkannambadi]] 18:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC) 

message: Thanks for ur reply.I am searching for books/encyclopedias for the information of Rashtrakutas.Why dont u open a a/c at wikipedia and sign ur comments by 4 ~ so that we can communicate better.Yeah,i do know these Kannadi editors take reference of crap like Deccan Herald or ourkarnataka.com to push their POV.Just see Kannada and Rajkumar!!Aint those articles hillarious??They have presented as if their language and that actor is best in the world!But problem starts when these chauvinists vandalise other articles and do 'Kannadisation' of them.Dont worry,we wont allow  Kannadisation on more articles.Do u know any other article vandalised by this user?Especvially related to Maharashtra and Marathi.
mahawiki 07:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dear anon,plz open a/c and be proactive to combat these bluffs

message: mahawiki, you are not alone in this battle, the warrior has returned !!!! Kannadabadi, beware !!!!
This article is total Kannadi-propaganda machine!!! The sole editor of this article has vandalised it. The stuff posted in the article is unauthentic and vain. This article could be deleted or the user:Kannadabadi blocked as per WP:VANITY or WP:POV. 
Kannadabadi, the historians you cite are all fanatical and biased historians. Thapar is a Marxist who is already a big opponent of real Aryan Hindus. So, her wiping out of Marathi influence would not be a surprise for me. Kamat is a Kannadi fanatic who has written objectionable matter against Maharashtrians. So citing them is not gonna help your cause. And the way you are behaving, so childishly, stop it. As for the Kadambas being Kannada, I give a shit. It's only because they moved to Karnatake that they adopted Kannadi as a officail language. Kadams are the real Indo-Aryans originally travelled from Caspian Sea and set up an empire in Afghanistan after which they came to India and kicked away the Dravidians and then ruled over them. You shameless fools, losers !!!! You guys want revenge that's why you are resorting to tactics like these. You will never be successful at that. Beware, if you call my brother mahawiki, a goonda. I won't tolerate a word against my Marathi brethren. 
--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 17:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maharashtracha apmaan kadapi sahan karnaar naahi

message: Maratti sons of soil first of all u guts should mind your language, Dinesh has been doing an exceptionally good job and u fanatics cannot change history what ever you do.
secondly its Kannadiga not Kannadi, thats why i have spelt Marathi as maratti, 
Thirdly, this site is for everyone to contribute, you can site the source, take photos and travel as dinesh does and then talk or argue about whatever you want,
Fourthly behave like an indian first, this infighting between us has led to other people taking advantage and don't show off this again to the world.
Fifthly if you are a maratti fanatic asking for help from fellow marattians thend there are hundreds of kannadiga wikipedians ready for battle.
vgowda
vgowda advaice to ur kannadi brothers first.Dont worry this kannadi fanatism wont work here!!
mahawiki 19:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Maratti Puttars 

message: Dinesh,
U seem to freak out long b4 i even start the verification!Ur duplicate id (Vgowda) wont work here!!!Stop editing article,as I want to signify ur kannadi vandalism more clearly,so stop posting irrelevent stuff abt Kamat,his literary awards blah blah,this just wont work.Stop fidgeting!Dont worry if at all the article u made is true and without any bias.Create n no. of gowdas and powdas,this wont work.Lets stop personal attack now and talk in citation lingo.And regarding arbitration,let me check the article,if biased i will change.Then will follow revert wars and I shall myself go for arbitration.Basically,I am not at all worried of it as I have no agenda,no marketing,no false claims nothing!I just want truth to prevail!
mahawiki 19:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why r u so frightened dear kannmabaddi? 

message: Dear Mahawiki ur taking Panga with Kannidagas, there are hundreds of kannada wikipedians as i told you, you cannot impose ur stupit marraty theories and this is me not dinesh go to my home page u will know i am here even before u or dinesh, tension kay ko leta hai re....
vgowda
reply: Dinesh K.
You are right mahawiki. You have nothing to loose as this empire had nothing to do with Marathi. All you want to is harrass others because of your inferiority complex and frustrations there in. You are just trying to give me a hard time because of your own complex.  But I intend to hang on and see the light come thru here.
You are here for a short period, not me. I intend to travel in North Karnataka next year, bring photos of Rashtrakuta temples from Pattadakal and Kuknur, Rashtrakuta Kannada inscriptions and coins with Kannada legends from the Government museum in Badami to prove my point. You messed with the wrong person, a person deeply interested in history and a person with utter contempt for people like you, who have little taste for history. The very fact you assumed I was posing as vgowda shows you are nothing but a goonda who depends on numbers and not facts to support you. Moreover, I dont think is any of your business what I hyperlink and what link info I change, so long as the main contents dont change. Or are you worried that my sources may seem very respectable while you are scratching around.
 
Dinesh Kannambadi
Dear Dinesh,
Lets talk citations here!!BTW ur other avtaar vgowda is hillarious!!!mahawiki 03:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maratty Friend

message: Kannadabadi, you yourself are turning out to be like your puppet Vgowda. It is only after mahawiki accused you of using a sockpuppet that you are accusing him back. And after he said gaonwada is hilarious that you say Arya is ignorant. This is height of Copying ! Stop your monkey business, kanaddibatti. --Arya Rajya Maharashtra 04:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kannadabadi And His Alter Ego Copycats

message: An attempt is being made to vandalise the page and discredit infomation on Kannada literature
from the Rashtrakutas.  All info on literature has been obtained from sources quoted. This is in blatant violation of wiki manners, rules and etiquette. There seems to be an anti- Kannada lobby working towards this. Also an attept is being made to reduce the glory of the empire, because it originated in Karnataka while maintaining the glory of an empire from once own state (Maharashtra).
Dinesh Kannambadi
Dear Dinesh,
Firstly,it is the last time I am asking u to stop personal attacks.Dont scare me by "Try taking the info out and you will be cited for vandalism of classical material." blah blah.This wont have any effecr on me.I just wanted to make sure that their's no defamation caused to Maharashtra and since its clear half of my job is completed.I am just asking for advice from other editors who had few allegations against ur possible 'kannadi imposition'.If they respond and their allegations are genuine I myself will go for arbitration,so pl dont threaten me on this regard.
My Reply: I have not made presonal attacks. read carefully. You have been blocked out once. Dont let it happen again.
You have not given the exact answer of my question:Dantidurga was from based in Aurangabad and not in Gulberga(?)The source which I cited clearly mentions that dantidurga is from Aurangabad.U need to back this with appropriate citations.Morever the 'account' of Kannada literature seems to be exaggrated and if I get enough reasons and citations,i will edit for sure.I am sure there are many neutral scholars who shall help a perfectly neutral article out of  advertisments!
My Reply: Read Romilla Thapar's book. Dantidurga's family was based from Gulbarga.
Any edits you make will have clarify that the Kannada works were not written AND that my sources were exagerating. Or we bring in medeators.
Morever their is no anti-kannadi lobby but a lobby directed to kannadise all articles possible.Pl note that I am neither a chauvinist or a Maharashtra or Marathi marketer.Pl note defaming other languages or communities will not make ur language any greater.I have got no inferiority complex like few editors here to proclaim 'my language is better than u' or 'our anchestors ruled ur anchestors' etc.mahawiki 14:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism of classical Kannada literary information[[User:Dineshkannambadi|Dineshkannambadi]] 14:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC) 

message: The exact sources are clearly mentioned in the reference section. Buy the books and then lets talk. Just like I took the trouble all these months to read up before editing, do the same.
In fact the exact sources have been cross referenced for verification to the works by Dr. Jyotsna Kamat and Arthikaje (which is also a government of Karnataka undertaking just like yours is a Govt. of Maharashtra undertaking). Read up the books referenced on K.A.N. Sastri, Dr. S.U. Kamat, Dr. Thapar and the copyrighted pages of Dr. Jyotsna Kamat and Arthikaje. All the info is right there.
I want Mr.Bhandarkar's books/ sources which u included.Arthikaje seems of no authenticty(ourkarnataka.com!)Anyways I want to know Mr.Bhandarkar's books and the source from where u get those quotaions.As I said I am wise resercher!I dont look for what a particular historian thinks but for perfectly encyclopedic facts and figures which is neutral.So perhaps I dont need to buy those (biased?) books.mahawiki 15:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Exact sources

message: 'Ra' in khand 14 is a meaningless statement. Give me the path on the web? and it has to be in English or your source is invalid untill it is translated to a common medium of English.
Dinesh Kannambadi
Buy urself a Khand 14 of Marathi vishwakosh.I dont have any books cited called Maratha Mandal.Look for 'ra',rather i shall give u the page no. if u intend.This is the way we refer encyclopedia.
Find a Marathi speaker who shall translate it for u.Marathi is the 4 th most spoken language in India and 17th in world(wrt:no of speakers as first language) so its more likely u will find one.
There's no path of kamaths,thapars etc on web,why do u expect me to give Marathi Vishwakosh's path on web ?mahawiki 15:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  path to Maratha mandal 

message: There standard of talk on this page is very poor. Vgowda has been blocked. There are some Indian language terms which I supsect are insults given the tone of them. I have been taking a look at this stuff. Diffs would be more helpful for quick service as I am quite busy trying to control many conflicts. Translations would also be helpful. The siege and warfare mentality of Karantaka vs Maharashtra is also poor. Feel free to leave diffs and translations citing bad behaviour on my talk page. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calm talk 

message: I am a bit concerned by the opening paragraph - " The emergence of the Rashtrakutas heralded a new era in the history of South India. The idiom of a Pan-Indian empire had moved to south. South Indian kingdoms had hitherto ruled areas only south of the Narmada. It was the Rashtrakutas who first forged north to the Gangetic plains and successfully contested their might against the Palas of Bengal and the Prathiharas of Gujarat" - I think it needs to be solidified. Also the art section contains too many flourisihing adjectives imho.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is factual. The Rashtrakuta conquests in north are well documents. The Rathors in north India are indeed the branches of the Rashtrakutas.--Malaiya 01:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyperbole 

message: Please provide reference source for any info put in on Rashtrakuta branches. I am aware that many descendents of the Rashtrakutas set up small kingdoms in North India in the 11-13th centuries but my sources do not provide any further info. 
Dineshkannambadi
: I have added several references about the branches of Rashtrakutas.
: Please don't delete the information now.
: Incidentally the Paramaras have a connetion with the Rashtrakutas, but that is a separate topic.
:--Malaiya 23:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rashtrakuta branches[[User:Dineshkannambadi|Dineshkannambadi]] 12:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC) 

message: Will create an article on the book.--Malaiya 02:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rastraudha Kavya