Talk:Orthodox Church of Finland

message: Finnish Orthodox Church does not use Russian language in service or Church Slavic. In fact, it's forbidden to pray in Russian in Finnish Orthodox Church from 1930s.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 (talk) 00:49, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect language list 

message: I think it is too early to split this article ( if feasible at all). There is much I want to write about on this theme. So, let's wait and see.--Tellervo 08:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the page 

message: Editors of this article should be familiar with Wikipedia:Content forking. The article retells large sections of the contents of History of Finland, Konevsky Monastery and Valaam Monastery. --Drieakko 11:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content forking 

message: I carried out the necessary changes, contributing also a lot of additional material into the article. Parts of the earlier version that were forks of the contents from other articles, have been delivered to the talk pages of the said articles (History of Finland, Valaam Monastery, Konevsky Monastery, Russian Orthodox Church) for possible reuse there. Please see the respective talk pages for more. --Drieakko 07:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New content, removal of forks 

message: The article is a great start towards GA status but the following issues need to be addressed to pass its GA nomination: 
* The lead section needs to be expanded as per Wikipedia:Lead section, the lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article. This is not the case currently. 
* The structure of the article could be improved using as example the article Orthodox Church in America which is already a GA. For instance, "History" should go up as the first section, "Structure and organization" should be merged with "Dioceses and bishops" as they deal with the same subject. "Monasteries" and "Additional organizations" should also be merged with "Structure and organization" as they are fairly small sections and could easily be considered subtopics of the Church organization. The "Festivals" section should be merged with some other one because it is too small to be a separate section. The "List of archbishops" should be merged with the "History" section it lacks content to merit a separate section.
* The article has too many pics. Per WP:MOS#Images text should not be sandwiched between two images facing each other. There are several instances of this in the article so some pics need to be removed. 
* Per WP:MOS#Large_numbers, large numbers should use commas instead of spaces as is the case in the article. For example, 28 000 should be replaced by 28,000.
* In the "Structure and organization" section:
::* The expression "external form of the church" is not clear and should be reworded. 
::* The text does not state what kind of taxes the church levies on its members. 
::* The sentence Previously under the Russian Orthodox Church, it has been an autonomous Orthodox archbishopric of the Patriarchate of Constantinople since 1923 should be reworded for clarity
::* Several paragraphs of this section need to be wikified
::* Also there are no references for paragraphs three through nine. It should not be difficult to provide citations for these.
* In the "Dioceses and bishops" section:
::* There are several short sentences that look like fragments rather than full sentences, for instance: Number of priests is about 45. Churches and chapels total over 80. They should be converted to proper prose
::* Single sentence paragraphs should be merged.
* In the "Church architecture" section there is a reference to St. Nicholas as a less belligerent saint. That statement needs to be explained. 
* In the "History" section
::* Why is "History of Finland" linked as main article? This section is not a summary of the History of Finland article. Please check the definition at the start of Template:Main
::* Prose needs to be improved. Sentences such as The earliest traces of Christianity in what is today mainland Finland are representative of the Orthodox Christian tradition. In grave finds one can see that Christianity started to spread its influence in the East in the Orthodox form seem to have been literally translated from Finnish into English, they need to be reworded for proper English grammar. 
::* The first three subsections are rather short, they should be merged
::* The "Karelian monasteries" talks about missionary work but doesn't say where. Was that in Karelia only or also in Finland. 
::* Also in this section, what does spiritually advanced hermits and fighters of the good fight of faith mean? Please reword and avoid POV. 
::* The expression who fought the fight of faith is unencyclopedic and POV, it should be reworded. Please try to keep a Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.
::* In the "Swedish oppression" subsection, it should be stated early that Sweden converted to Protestantism as it is a relevant fact for this topic. This section seems to be written from an orthodox Finnish POV, Sweden or neutral sources should be used for balance. 
::* In the subsection "Autonomous Grand Duchy of Finland" there are several paragraphs lacking sources
::* Single years should not be linked as they don't provide relevant context for the article. Thus, 1917, 1923, 1940 and other similar cases should be delinked. 
::* The "Independent Finland" subsection has only one reference for six paragraphs. That is not enough, there are several claims that need to be substantiated. 
* In the "Russian Orthodox Church in Finland" section, the smaller paragraphs should be merged .
* As for references
::* This is the English Wikipedia, English sources do not need to be marked as such. Instead sources in other languages should be tagged. In this case, Finnish sources should be tagged with the template .
::* There are some references that are incomplete as they only include a link and do not state the title of the web page, its author and retrieval date as required per Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Full_citations. Specifically, this is the case of 1, 7, 8, 9, 10, 37, 43, 44 and 45 among others. 
There is a period of seven days to fix this issues. Drop me a note if you have any doubts or questions and when you're done making changes. Good luck, --Victor12 03:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comments, we'll get to work on them. --Drieakko 05:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nine days have passed and I don't see any work been done to address these issues so I've failed the article for now. Please renominate when you're done with these suggestions. Good luck, --Victor12 19:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: I observed a wrong piece of information in the info box. The founder couldn't been tsar Nicholas II in the year 1892, because he became tsar until 1894! I think a real founder was the Holy Synod as authorized by tsar Alexander III.91.155.119.125 (talk) 17:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Orthodox Christianity spread slowly during the 12th - 14th centuries to Finland.--Tellervo (talk) 06:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Officially, I think that the Finnish Orthodox Church venerates SS Sergius and Herman of Valaam, Arseni of Konevitsa, Trifon of Petchenga and Alexander of Svir as the most important "Enlighteners of Karelia". Especially Sergius and Herman, the founders of Valaam monastery are held in high esteem and often considered the founders of Orthodox Christianity in Finnish Karelia. --MPorciusCato (talk) 16:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: A founder?

message: Will the Finnish Orthodox Church even in the 29th century celebrate Christmas according to the Gregorian calendar? --88.78.226.81 (talk) 15:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christmas 

message: The section on "Swedish oppression" seems biased to me (and should probably be called something like "Swedish Annexation of Karelia.) I do not have the requisite knowledge to fix the problem but it's quite apparent that statements such as "Lutheran books were translated into Slavonic, and the population was forced to read them." suggests a higher rate of literacy than the reality of the 17th century could afford in the attempt to make a political point.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Himjl (talk • contribs) 19:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

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