Talk:Blood sport

message: Falc added this:
"Interestingly enough, it's origins don't refer to the prey's blood, but rather to that those who were allowed to practice it were of royal blood.  Animal Rights activists have enjoyed turning the phrase to elicit emotional imagery, and so we have the colloquial use today."
Much as I'd like to believe this, I can't find any evidence. The American Heritage Dictionary and Merriam-Webster define it as "a sport involving bloodshed" , which doesn't give any indication that 'blood sport' was derived in any other way than the obvious. So I've removed the paragraph for the moment. --Malthusian (talk) 22:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I spent the better part of an hour with the Oxford English Dictionary and with a reference librarian at the main branch of a big city library and the origin of the phrase is obscure, its use in written language basically going back to the 1500's when we would expect lots of things to be mentioned first in writing. As best I was able to determine, the phrase originally referred to chase sports such as hunting (before firearms) but with increasing urbanization and the popularity of spectacles such as cockfighting in urban areas, the phrase was adapted. Certainly the phrase was expanded in Victorian times for rhetorical purposes by animal welfare activists, and the ambiguity was played with for rhetorical purposes. I think the above sentence should be removed because (a) not all "bloods" were royal anymore than all frat boys today are Greek, (b) the phrase animal rights is a modern one which is distinct from animal welfare. The rhetorical gist of the argument is (as far as I can determine) accurate, though, but words evolve and are co-opted all the time. The term "gentle" use to mean "high-born" or "regal", for example, and certainly words commonly used today such as mouse and stylus have been changed for good... Rorybowman 16:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: Every dictionary anyone has cited, and the explanation given of the source of the term, and modern usage, all say that the term "blood sport" extends beyond sports in which animals fight to any sport in which animal blood is shed.  I shall re-jig the introduction to reflect that; if you think it should stay as it is, please provide a cite — ciphergoth 11:31, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The earliest written uses of the term "blood sport" refer to chase forms of hunting, not combat between animals, a later development which accompanied urbanization. - Rorybowman 16:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...so you agree with my change? thanks! — ciphergoth 16:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of the term "blood sport" 

message: These categories have been removed several times by an IP editor. Please state your reason for removal in your edit summary. In any event, fishing, hunting and recreational fishing all fit the definition of blood sports. From the lede:
Bloodsport or blood sport is any sport or entertainment that involves violence against animals.
Bloodsport includes coursing or beagling, combat sports such as cockfighting, or other activities. These usually involve blood being drawn, and often result in the death of one or more animals.
Hunting and fishing are considered sports by those participating in them. Removing an animal from its natural environment with a hook through its mouth and allowing it to suffocate seems violent to me. I don't care if people do it or not, but it's violent. Both of these sports "involve blood being drawn" and result in the "death of one or more animals". 
All that said, why do you keep removing these from the category?
Bob98133 (talk) 00:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  fishing/hunting 

message: I undid the revision by All Worlds.  I think it was well meaning but I don't see their statements as supported by the citations.  Blood sport is usually defined as violence against animals.  I have yet to see it technically defined as specifically encompassing sports where humans are the sole participant i.e. boxing or cage fighting.  Usually when boxing or cage fighting are referred to as blood sports they are alluding to these sports being like animals fighting.
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/blood%20sport
http://www.answers.com/topic/blood-sport
Even the citation provided by All Worlds specifically lists hunting and cockfighting as examples of blood sports.  The telegraph article they use to show that British Medical Association opposes blood sports has no mention of blood sports.  It is an article against MMA Cage Fighting.  Which I contend is not a blood sport in the common usage.
I know that I am being bold in reverting.  This is why I am explaining my position here, rather then just reverting and walking away.  If anyone disagrees, please feel free to revert and we can discuss it here.  :)DoctorLazarusLong (talk) 22:59, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the informed and civil response.  With the citations you just provided I with draw my complaint completely.  I will revert my edit.  Would you please include some of the above articles into the list.  They provide the example of the term blood sport being applied to boxing and cage fighting that I felt the article was lacking.DoctorLazarusLong (talk) 04:01, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I was just being lazy.  I added the citation myself.  The article still needs some more citations though.  I will hunt for some myself, but it seem like you might have some very useful ones already.DoctorLazarusLong (talk) 04:18, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And your efforts and our interactions are greatly appreciated with the hope that we further the purpose of Wiki and the improvement of available knowledge for all on all issues involved. Thank you. All Worlds (talk) 10:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Undid revision 495825936 by All Worlds (talk)