Template talk:Mario series characters

message: Not that the template isn't great, but I feel like it's too big and somewhat unorganized. For example, having a minor -- though admittedly reoccurring -- characrer like Bob-Omb come first seems silly. Also, I think the template should distinguish between characters from the games and those from the ancilliary comics and TV shows. What does anybody else think? Kidicarus222 00:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I had an idea what might the template look better, so I switched it up. It's now left-justified and -- in my opinion -- ordered a bit more sensibly. Open to suggestions/criticisms. I got rid of a few items, also, like Unagi, since I didn't think he was a major enough character to include in the template. Kidicarus222 02:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Great job, but I've reorganized it as well to reduce overall size. Also, I believe Unagi and the others should be readded, as (in my opinion) if its notable enough to merit an article, it should be notable enough to be included in this template.--☆TBC☆ 03:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it.Kidicarus222 19:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  somewhat unorganized

message: Okay, people are saying that we shouldn't add characters that were only in Mario sports and party games.  Those games make up, like, 80% of the Mario games!  We don't need that huge ol' list from before, but we need more than 8 characters.  I made the list now holding the main 16 characters in Mario sports games, and they're well on their way to becoming major characters in major Mario platformers.
Characters I added: Daisy, Bowser Jr., Toadette, Waluigi, Birdo, Diddy Kong, King Boo, and Petey Piranha.
Waluigi Freak 99 13:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And, once again, I'm removing every character who hasn't been the protangonist or antagonist of at least two games, for the reasons listed above. Just because you like an obscure character does not mean it needs to be linked from each of a dozen articles. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I've said before, according to WP:FICT, "obscure" characters shouldn't even have their own articles! Also, does taking up 2-3 more lines of space really make the template that ugly? Either way, you seem to be against large templates in general, which is an issue that should be discussed at Wikipedia:Navigational templates instead of here, or else you'll be violating WP:POINT.--TBCTaLk?!? 02:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just noticed that, of the 5 users that have commented on this discussion, 4 (including me) agree that characters such as Waluigi and Birdo should be added back to the template. This means we already have a consensus on adding back a few characters. However, to be fair, I've started a straw poll:--TBCTaLk?!? 02:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Though it is true that Wikipedia is not an experiment in democracy, straw polls are a great way of finding consensus in difficult cases, such as this one which has gone on for around a month. Also, the template that I've been trying to advocate doesn't include Mouser, Wart, or any other antagonist as they are already covered in Template:Mario enemies. As I've noted above, does 2 to 3 more lines really make that much of a difference?--TBCTaLk?!? 06:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It won't be two or three lines. If the only standard is "some passing user thinks the character is important," then we end up with more and more and more and more. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Can you make a reasonable standard that includes Bowser Jr. that doesn't include silliness like Para-goombas and shyguys and Dirk Drainhead? Or are you just making a gut call on what you think is important (which is essentially indistinguishable from "I'm adding foo because I like him!")?- A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: How many is "many"? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Monty Mole (a minor enemy that appears in three games)? Pianta (which appears in one game and the background of a couple others)? A dozen characters with no dialogue whatsoever? This is just going back to the huge, unwieldy, useless template we had before, the one WP:CVG unanimously agreed was way too big. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: No, I'm using the fact that none of them are appropriate for this template as they're minor supporting characters. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template Changed

message: ====Keep the same====
====Revert back to this version==== 
*Support as per my previous arguments.--TBCTaLk?!? 02:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw Poll

message: *Support as per my previous arguments.--TBCTaLk?!? 02:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert back to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Mario_characters&diff=67706569&oldid=66865117 this version]

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Last I checked, 8 people isn't comprehensive and detailed.
My point is, you're saying characters like Daisy and Waluigi don't belong because they only appear in spin-offs.  Spin-offs make up, like, at least HALF of the Marioverse.  They belong. ;)
Waluigi Freak 99 23:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Monty Mole (a minor enemy that appears in three games)? Pianta (which appears in one game and the background of a couple others)? A dozen characters with no dialogue whatsoever? This is just going back to the huge, unwieldy, useless template we had before, the one WP:CVG unanimously agreed was way too big. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: No, I'm using the fact that none of them are appropriate for this template as they're minor supporting characters. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: In order to keep each template small, Mario characters are now divided among three templates, Template:Cartoon and comic Mario characters, Template:Mario enemies, Template:Donkey Kong characters and this template. Any comments?--TBCTaLk?!? 02:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not? Please give an explanation before reverting next time.--TBCTaLk?!? 18:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: No list on cartoon/comic or donkey kong characters currently exist, though I'm willing to create them.--TBCTaLk?!? 20:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go right ahead. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split into four templates 

message: Why are we linking to a list of Donkey Kong characters?  For the most part, they are completely separate from the Mario universe.  Only DK himself is directly related to Mario (and in only one game), and if we used that reasoning then we'd have to link to Yoshi and WArio characters as well.  The link isn't very strong, and thus I think it ought to be removed. Hbdragon88 05:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donkey Kong 

message: I know this has been discussed before, but there really should be more characters. Have you ever seen the template for The Simpsons characters? That one has approximately links to approximately 70 characters articles, including a character named Birch Barlow (only appearing in the episode Sideshow Bob Roberts), and no one has really brought that up. If you won't add more charcters like Daisy, Toadette, Waluigi, etc, then at least add these two:
*Bowser Jr.-He had a major antagonist role in both Super Mario Sunshine and New Super Mario Bros. 
*Birdo-She was a boss almost in every stage in Super Mario Bros. 2 and she's battled against as a boss in Super Mario RPG and Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. 16:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters used in the template 

message: It makes no sense that characters like Waluigi and Daisy aren't on this, sure there fillers, but there like the main ones, ever since Waluigi's Debut/Daisy's reappearance, they've been playable in every Mario spin-off/party game to date (heck, they were part of the 8 character cast in Mario Strikers) and considering they have the Mario series character template on there wikipedias (well, Waluigi does, Daisy doesn't have any template) it just doesn't make sense to me.
:To be fair, the template was originally used for the "Main 8" (Mario, Luigi, Peach, Toad, Bowser, Yoshi, Wario, DK). While I'd like Waluigi and Daisy to be on the template, I can forsee a big clash involving the whole "But they're FILLERS" argument. I see you've already put Daisy and Waluigi on the template; I'll leave this for now. We'll see how it goes. Also, please in the future sign your comments with ~~~~. Thanks. Hardcore gamer 48 04:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waluigi, Daisy, etc 

message: Now I'm not saying I like either of those characters (because I really don't), though I don't see the knowledge in adding Daisy but not Waluigi. If I had an opinion it would be to only add the big eight. --Bentendo24 18:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We have Daisy but not Waluigi. 

message: Why is Toad not in the article?  He's been a prominent Mario character since the beginning... Nyssie 22:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the fact that he is not prominent.  It's the fact that he doesn't warrent his own article for various reasons at this time.  Mr. C.C. 08:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toad? 

message: There have been many debates and well, I even put Waluigi and Daisy back on the template.  But they have been since removed.  After thinking about and seeing their respective sections in list of Mario series characters, I thought that it wasn't good to have them on there.  I came to the conclusion that if they don't have their own article, than they shouldn't be added to the template.  Mr. C.C. 08:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think this is the best option. If they have a nice article, they deserve a link. Alexanderpas (talk) 13:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solving The Problem 

message: Just so we can stop changing it every few months. Donkey Kong is an antagonist in Donkey Kong and Mario vs Donkey Kong games. He is a protagonist in what? Sports and Party games? Blake (Talk·Edits) 13:44, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, nevermind. You were moving Diddy Kong. My bad. I just woke up. Blake (Talk·Edits) 13:45, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donkey Kong: Good or Bad? 

message: Since its removal from the template obviously is going to require discussion, I'll discuss. Since Diddy Kong's association with the series is only as a guest by proxy of DK, he is a DK character who appears in the Mario series. Is Pac-Man a Mario character because he appears in the Mario Kart arcade games? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. He appears only in the sports and party games. That doesn't make him a Mario character any more then the Square Enix characters appearing in Mario Sports Mix. Blake (Talk·Edits) 19:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diddy Kong 

message: Should we place characters based on their importance, or by alphabetical order (with the exception of Mario and Luigi)? For each it is different right now:
*Waluigi is placed before Wario. This is alphabetical but not by order of importance.
*Donkey Kong is placed before Diddy Kong. This is now by order of importance but not alphabetically.
*Koopalings after Fawful. Alphabetical but not by order of importance.
*Toad after the Kongs. Neither alphabetically nor by order of importance...
So, which format should be used? Androids101 | Visit me! | talk | contribs 08:08, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Alphabetical. Salvidrim! 05:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character ordering 

message: Why does this template even exist if it's just going to be so consistently garbled?  I'm not quite understanding why Fawful, Diddy Kong, or Rosalina are on the list when others like Daisy, Toadette, or Petey Piranha, characters that have played some sort of prominence for a while now, aren't.  And I don't get why there's an enemies section with only three enemies.  If we're going that route, you'd have to include Cheep-Cheep, Boo, Blooper, Thwomp, etc.  But they all have their own page in Recurring enemies in the Mario series (not sure why Lakitu has a separate page to begin with).  In conclusion, this template should either have all the characters of the Mario universe or just the major, major ones (top 8-- Mario, Luigi, Peach, Toad, Yoshi, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Wario).  None of this "all main characters plus Rosalina." Nyssie (talk) 15:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay, what is going on here?