Talk:Mammy stereotype

message: I would dispute the comment that 'Mammy' the song was racial; Jolie as an immigrant Jew was far more in sympathy with immigrants including those of African descent, than most Americans. Whilst not a true 'jazz' artist, he was instrumental in advancing its popularity.
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This is a very rich subject -- certainly as rich as blackface.  The article needs a lot of work! deeceevoice 14:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The article is currently very weasely with regard to the housekeeper on the Tom & Jerry cartoons (calling her "reminiscent of the mammy archetype"). Please. She is the archetype, in full form, for generations of children to see up to and including my own. This needs a cite one way or the other, but I find the weasely language quite annoying in this case. — BrianSmithson 22:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This language has been changed. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:41, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom & Jerry 

message: It looks to me that the character in Chrono Cross looks more like she's from Hawaii than a "mammy archetype". Considering the flower in her hair and the blue eyes, I think that's what they were going for, so I think it's inappropriate to give her as an example.
:I agree, I think it's a stretch 198.6.46.11 13:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This reference has been removed. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chrono Cross Refrence 

message: Can someone add to the article *why* this is a racial slur. For people not familiar with the full context, it's far from clear. If it was a fat white woman, it surely would not be seen as racist  
Wait, are you referring to the article or the Mammy archetype?
Joking aside, this one is a delightful edge case.  There are so many admirable qualities associated with a mammy, it's hard to separate the subservient role of a mammy to 1800's southern white plantation owners.  I say, take the whole package.  Be outraged if you want, but acknowledging  the inherent wisdom and strength of a mammy also acknowledges equality of the races in a manner of thought.—Preceding unsigned comment added  by 82.31.166.240 (talk) 10:18, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
:If the article in 2007 was lacking the reason for the term being considered racist, by this time it seems to have been well explained. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racist? 

message: Should "Gone with the Wind" be mentioned seeing as it had a "mammy" as an important character.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesniperremix (talk • contribs) 01:32, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This movie is now mentioned in at least three places. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:47, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gone With the Wind? 

message: If you read this article from beginning to end, all you get is a series of undergraduate crit-lit condemnations that often contradict one another and shed no insight or historical perspective on the subject. First she is masculine and a threat to white people, and then she is docile and feminine and an exaggeration of the female physique aimed at making white people feel safe. What white people? Slave owners? Children of Slave owners? 20th century Americans? This article is just a jumbled mess.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.67.123.206 (talk) 18:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: what is an accurate source of this? 85.195.138.227 (talk) 08:00, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs to be seriously cleaned up 

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message: This article is very american centric with the mention of mammy not being used and being considered racist.
In northern England it is used regularly in an endearing way towards (usually your own) mothers.
I would add to it by my current form of Internet access doesn't lend itself well to long-form typing Silent1 12:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The mammy archetype is an american idea, which is inherently racist, and is used only in reference to african americans. The term "mammy" may be used by many, many people with absolutely no racist overtones whatsoever, esp. if its within a family. however, in the us, to use the word publicly is nearly as bad as "nigger". I dont think even african americans use the word to describe their own mothers (though i bet the word was used a lot about a century ago). I think a note in the article to clarify that the term may not be racist everywhere. however, since the caricatures from us culture of blacks have spread worldwide, i dont think anyone can be deaf to its usage any more. And im sorry that certain words end up getting destroyed by racists. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In accordance with the above comments, I changed the title (moved the article) from "Mammy archetype" to "Mammy archetype in the United States." BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:56, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Until an article such as  is created, the title  (or ) is unambiguous.  is another quintessentially American trope: we don't need to name the article  just because other uses of the term exist. –Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic slur 

message: I remember similar characters in French, Spanish and Portuguese language TV productions about slavery, especially Januária from "Escrava Isaura". However I have no idea if the archetype exist in other countries (I only know about Tia Nastácia in Brasil) or was it just influenced by the movies like Gone with the wind. Do you think it should be mentioned here?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.77.52.172 (talk) 02:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Which TV show in French?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:1DF3:2DC0:CB36:CD53 (talk) 17:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other countries? 

message: "The historicity of the mammy figure is questionable", eh? And no one sees any contradiction between this statement and the leading photograph of Mauma Mollie, with the testimony of the family member? — Paul Magnussen (talk) 23:29, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess User:Paul Magnussen saw a contradiction. Anybody can edit in Wikipedia, so I suppose the user could have done so. Thanks. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 00:06, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer this old question: the source cited points out that the testimony of the family members that kept Mauma Mollie in slavery does not reflect the experience of Mollie herself. The family member quoted can't even remember the year that Mollie was buried. — Toughpigs (talk) 17:26, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historicity 

message: Several times recently editors have made changes to the content without apparently first checking the source given for the content, so I reverted back to an earlier version. If your edit makes a difference in meaning of the content, be sure to cite a new source for the change. Thank you. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remember to check the sources 

message: I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with inline citations of reliable, secondary sources, per WP:V, WP:CS, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, WP:BLP, WP:NOR, et al. This diff shows where it was in the article. Nightscream (talk) 14:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncited material in need of citations

message: — Assignment last updated by Mayabubbles321 (talk) 22:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Black Women and Popular Culture

message: — Assignment last updated by Scsaker13 (talk) 19:21, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: This is America

message: That's not really how to use footnote numbers! 213.57.58.48 (talk) 12:44, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation errors  

message: Requested by Adflatuss
It is my view, that the caption should describe the Mammy stereotype the picture represents. Direct adversarial language takes the picture out of the historical context and prevents the reader from seeing how the stereotype could have emerged. A Tree In A Box (talk) 03:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture Caption.