Talk:Hero's journey/Archive 1

message: The section Atonement With Father hints at a broader pattern. The Hero must come to terms with a part of himself which he fears. In Star Wars, Luke's fear is that he is like his Father. Anikin's fear is the loss of women he loves, and his choices take him off of his original path. Anikin's progeny are the twins, who must both come to terms with each other and their origins. The object of the quest becomes to reach unity with a splinter of themself. 
===EarthSea===
Ursula K. Le Guin's EarthSea series is an exemplary use of the Hero's journey. In that story, the hero abuses his power, resulting in the creation of a 'gebbeth', a shadow of himself. His hubris has unleashed a darker side of himself, which only he can overcome, by recognizing it as part of himself.
===The Matrix===
At the end of the first Matrix episode, Neo goes too far by inserting himself into the Agent Smith. In later episodes, we learn that this act has endowed Smith with a new autonomy. Smith becomes the anti-One, a kind of virus or duplicating machine who haunts Neo as he pursues his quest.
===Harry Potter===
The Harry Potter mythology bares many resemblances to Earth Sea. In the Potter series, our Hero finds that his journey, and the journey of 'He who shall not be named', have become intimately linked. Harry is the 'boy who lived' and Voltemort is the one who died and struggles to return. Harry's destiny lies in coming to terms with the choices of his parents, and his inevitable rendezvous with this sinister doppleganger.
--Pipian 23:45, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atonement With Self 

message: The Harry Potter mythology bares many resemblances to Earth Sea. In the Potter series, our Hero finds that his journey, and the journey of 'He who shall not be named', have become intimately linked. Harry is the 'boy who lived' and Voltemort is the one who died and struggles to return. Harry's destiny lies in coming to terms with the choices of his parents, and his inevitable rendezvous with this sinister doppleganger.
--Pipian 23:45, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Harry Potter''

message: Its pretty easy to see why the two pages should be merged; I just don't know how to, so I wanted to draw attention to it.--Jonthecheet 06:36, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Err,... who is Manganiello? The only references that I can find to the "Manganiello Monomyth" are all to mirrors of this article, which is never a good sign. --Susurrus 01:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manganiello 

message: I'm reading both Campbell's Hero and Vogler's Writer's Journey presently, and am attempting to add relevant myth-based, religious or classic examples to this page.  Hopefully this will return some of its credibility, and dismiss the poorly-thought argument that the idea of the monomyth is simply a Hollywood fabrication designed to churn out cookie-cutter plots; indeed, what both of these authors are intending is quite the opposite... allowing artists to be creative in a "psychologically true" structure based on the workings of Jung's supposed collective unconscious.
 
Just visiting the page (and very new to commenting, etc) and I have a small question regarding mythological references (not related to the above comment): What is the connection between Daphne and the hero's refusal of the call to adventure? Why would submitting to a man (or god) who is basically trying to rape you be equivalent to embarking on an adventure? I think it is in there by mistake and perhaps should be removed; in fact, it's kinda offensive to equate answering a call to adventure, and allowing yourself to be raped. I'm basing my understanding of Daphne's story on mythology I've read; I've certainly always cheered for Daphne to escape when I've read that story. I haven't read the original work by Campbell - I hope it's not in there? Thnx. 24.68.150.89 04:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mythological, religious and classic examples 

message: Reading through much of the text of the modern applications of the monomyths leaves me with the impression that much of that text is Original Research and/or unreferenced material.  While obviously added in good faith by earnest posters, much of the text does not meet Wikipedia standards for inclusion.  Would anyone else like to take a hand at removal of OR and unreferenced material?  I will add information within the text to discourage further OR and unreferenced material.NorCalHistory 17:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you need only one reminder at the top, not one for every section.  If I think I have a source for something you take out I'll put it back in sourced, so don't be afraid to remove original research.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 20:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Original Research and unreferenced material 

message: Because this article has now been substantially re-written and re-organized, I am removing the disputed and OR tags.  If anyone wishes to replace those tags, please place an explanation on this Discussion page. NorCalHistory 16:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing tags 

message: Some of these italicized summaries are pretty off and seem to have been written by someone who didn't bother to read Hero... or even reference it: The Woman as Temptress stage clearly states that woman represents life and that the stage is not a trial in itself but a realization that mortal life is a deviation from the path/truth/whatever you wanna call it.  The chapter on the return threshold says nothing about a return threshold guardian.  The rebirth happens way back in the belly of the whale stage and... anyway, you get the point.  I'm putting citecheck on this mother until someone (possibly me but don't let that stop you) fixes it.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 06:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made an edit to an identical set of the summaries here.  I'll give a day or so for people to ruminate and tweak it before I adjust this page.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 10:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work, Æµ§œš¹ - much appreciated.  You are a step ahead of what I'd planned, but I've gotten tied up elsewhere for a few weeks.  Thank you! NorCalHistory 15:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Horribly incorrect summaries

message: All of the "modern applications" of the monomyth reference either Star Wars or The Matrix. Surely we can come up with some more varied examples? (Harry Potter for one follows many parts of the monomyth thus far)--Moriath 02:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I recall correctly, the article had a number of examples like the Lion King and Silence of the Lambs.  The problem, though, is that they were unsourced/original research.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 03:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the idea only to reference examples that are acknowledged by their authors as having been influenced by Joseph Campbell, or is the idea to give examples of how both classical and contemporary works reflect the structure Campbell described? The Lord of the Rings books provide excellent examples of the stages described here, better than some of the examples given (particularly the classical examples). (Edit: after checking the previous version cited above, I see that there used to be LotR examples in this article.) Edalton 00:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variety