Talk:Rosie Ruiz

message: I'm concerned about where the "theories" are coming from. It sounds like original research. They're plausible, but the citations don't seem to contain this speculation. --Tysto 22:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theories 

message: This has been a nice informal collaboration, look at this page before 1/10... it was just a stub that left a lot to be desired. Good work, guys. --W.marsh 15:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice work! 

message: The article states that Ruiz was banned for life from the Boston marathon. It also states she could have run the race in 1981 but did not. There's a disconnect here. Can anybody shed light on this? -- MisterHand 05:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory statements 

message: Is "to this day" proper language? Which day? 69.38.135.54 13:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To what day? 

message: "The remark alluded to what was already being speculated openly as the underlying cause of the whole bizarre episode, the possibility that Ruiz was suffering from a mental disorder and could not distinguish between truth and fantasy. Among the disclosures, as details of her background were unearthed, was the information that Ruiz had twice undergone brain surgery, once for the removal of a benign tumor. No firm medical evidence was presented to support the theory of mental incapacity but it seemed in the minds of many the only plausible explanation."  Mathmo Talk 07:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another theory, she is plain crazy! 

message: I do believe that for a few years at least, they routinely closed subway stations along the route between certain hours of the Marathon, to prevent someone else from pulling Ruiz's NYC trick. OR, of course, until someone or myself can find a source. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 21:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subway stations 

message: The current lead sentence reads Rosie Ruiz Vivas who is related to al grovas (born 1953, Havana, Cuba) is a Cuban American runner who on April 21, 1980 ostensibly came in as the first place female competitor in the 84th Boston Marathon...'. This caught my eye as a technically correct but poor usage of the word "ostensibly", more appropriate for a news piece than an encyclopedia. I did an all-dates google news search to see if anyone else had described Rosie's finish in such a way. Well, it looks like one source did, the Fiji Times. They wrote "Vivas is a Cuban American runner who on April 21, 1980 ostensibly came in as the first place female competitor in the 84th Boston Marathon with a record time of 2:31:56. Look a bit similar? Not to worry... that article was published in November of 2007, our wording was here well before that. So, it looks like the reporter did some friendly lifting from Wikipedia to write that piece. However, how do we protect ourselves in such a case... on the surface, it looks like we are plagiarizing. On the other hand, it seems ridiculous to source to that article now, considering evidence that they used wikipedia as a source last year. Thoughts on how this is handled? Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and here is the link to the Fiji Times source. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we using it as a source (or were we?). The Fiji times article isn't actually even about her, just the first paragraph (and then a more "general lecture" about the vice of cheating). Even if it wasn't "borrowed" from us, it wouldn't be an appropriate source. My bigger issue is all the BLP/unsourced stuff. Like paragraphs of it. I'm gonna go gut it. Keeper  76 16:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Sentence 

message: I just gutted the article to remove all speculative, unsourced information about this WP:BLP. The "theories behind the hoax section" was also WP:OR, or it read that way, and the only link was to Game show network's "documentary" called "Anything to Win". this is what the gsn.com website has to say about "Anything to Win". I'm not even sure the "documentary" exists at this point. Keeper  76 16:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: BLP problems

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message: First paragraph includes this sentence:
" She took the subway from Cambridge to Boston (a few miles before the finish line) and ran to the finish line, making it seem as if she had run the whole marathon."
This itinerary doesn't make much sense if you look at a map, it's not consistent with the rest of the article (Harvard students story), and there's no evidence that Ruiz rode a subway in Boston.  
If she left the course before Wellesley College (as speculated later in this article) she was a long way from Cambridge, in an area where there are no subways.    
Assuming she got a car ride to Cambridge, and rode the subway to Boston from there, then she was on the Red Line (the only subway line in Cambridge).  This line passes a mile or so *east* of the finish line.  She could have transferred to the Green Line to go west in order to get closer to the course (e.g. Kenmore Square, about a mile west of the finish, or somewhere along the C Branch of the Green Line as far as Cleveland Circle [3.9 miles] ), but it's rather confusing as written.   Part of what makes it confusing is that it's unlikely she was in Boston "a few miles before the finish line": if she was more than four miles west of the finish, she was in Newton; from there to about the last mile, the course is in Brookline (as are the closest subway stops).   
I can't find any source to support the proposition that Ruiz rode a subway during the Boston marathon, as opposed to New York.  It's pretty obvious that she skipped much of the Boston course, but *how* she did it remains unproven.  It's fairly clear that she left the course somewhere west of Wellesley, but there is no subway anywhere near the course west of Newton (and if you want to be technical, most of that line [Green Line] is not actually a subway as it's above ground until Kenmore Square).  If she started with everyone else, then it's safe to conclude she rode a car or bicycle at some point, but it's unclear whether she rode a subway.
Actually, doing a bit more research, it seems she was not seen *anywhere* on the course except the end.  Assuming bibs are handed out in advance, I'm guessing she never started the race, just waited in the crowds near Kenmore Square.  So maybe she didn't even need a ride in a car or on a bike either.
The sources I can find mention her jumping in one mile before the finish, not "a few miles".
I think I'd replace the quoted sentence with "Ruiz apparently jumped into the race about one mile before the finish." and remove all reference to subways or Cambridge.  Here's a cite for "probably jumped in with a mile to go" and "not appearing in any photographs until the last mile":  http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/rosie-ruiz-fakes-boston-marathon-win  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.212.182 (talk) 06:38, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  subway routes 

message: The hatnote claims that "This article uses Spanish naming customs: the first or paternal family name is Ruiz and the second or maternal family name is Vivas." However the NY times obituary says that Vivas was "Ruiz’s name through marriage", and further down that "Her marriage to Aicardo Vivas ended in divorce." So it would seem that in her case, Vivas was not her mother's name but rather her ex-husband's surname (even if she later had a female partner). Dirac66 (talk) 23:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect hatnote re use of Spanish naming customs 

message: Date of death August 8th, 2019. The date printed on article is July 8th, 2019.
Just helping out.
Heather Heathluv01 (talk) 16:54, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no error. The NY Times article is dated August 8, but it says that Ruiz "died last month", and that "Her death, on July 8, was not reported widely until ...". Dirac66 (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article date Correction