Talk:James (given name)

message: There is also Kazakh name Жақып which is derived from the same roots.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.165.213.18 (talk) 15:18, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kazakh versions

message: :top importance predicated on the status in the United States 1990 census as most popular given name. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance 

message: Can we be absolutely sure that the French Gemmes came from Jacob?  They sound very different, and I am a little suspicious of "cognate names".  I know when translating names from Scottish Gaelic to English, often they just used an English version that sounded similar, or even just had the same first letter, but which had no relation in meaning.  Or for example I had a Korean colleague called Sung-Hee, and her host family just decided to give her the English name Stacey, because it is a girls name starting with "S" and was easier for them to say.  If she became famous, in a hundred years time we might see in English-Korean translation guides that Sung-Hee is Stacey in English.  Over time what was once expedient can become official. (58.164.29.160 21:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cognates

message: Does the creator of this page know the meaning of diminutive? As far as I know , a diminutive is not just any shorter form of a name but a form of a name that is specifically used to denote smallness in its broadest sense (for example a diminutive might be used to convey intimacy). Some names may have started as a diminutive and may have become just another (informal) variant of the name. I wouldnt mind if those names were called diminutives (such as Jamie). But has Jake ever been used as a diminutive? merijn
:Would you prefer the term "hypocorism"? 98.251.225.38 (talk) 22:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Diminutive

message: I note that many "baby names" sites give "supplanter" as the meaning of the name. That's probably out of embarassment, since "he grabs the heel" doesn't sound like a very cool or auspicious name to give your baby son. However, the literal meaning of the name is really "he heeled" or similar. It is true that Jacob was a "supplanter" of his older brother, but that's in the Genesis narrative, not in the name. dab (𒁳) 15:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Supplanter

message: === Two different times of prevalent use ===
My understanding is that the name "James" was derived from "Jacob."  I do not believe the two entries should be merged because to the best of my knowledge (which is not absolute), there is no reference to anyone named James in the Old Testament.  However, James is already a common name amongst the Hebrews during the time period of the New Testament.  Now, without doing any extensive research, I understand that it is clearly used at that time completely separate from the name Jacob.  I take this as a strong indication that the language and culture that originated these names had already made a complete distinction between the two names, and their subsquent, but separate histories grew onward from this.  An example would be the use of "Joshua" or "Yeshua" and the name "Jesus."  I would merge those two entries because the name Jesus did not even exist then.  The person we call Christ's name was in fact Yeshua, or Joshua.  This is not the same of James and Jacob because I have never understood the use of the name James in New Testament times to be synonymous with Jacob.  Even the Hebrews of the period knew it as a derivation, not the same name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ProperGood (talk • contribs) 21:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, you're pretty much completely wrong there.  The New Testament says "Iakob" in Greek, which is exactly the same word the Old Testament uses in Hebrew.  It's merely a traditional convention among English translators to say "James" when translating from Greek and "Jacob" when translating from Hebrew.  In New Testament times there was no distinction at all.  --194.98.58.121 (talk) 12:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: My understanding is that the name "James" was derived from "Jacob."  I do not believe the two entries should be merged because to the best of my knowledge (which is not absolute), there is no reference to anyone named James in the Old Testament.  However, James is already a common name amongst the Hebrews during the time period of the New Testament.  Now, without doing any extensive research, I understand that it is clearly used at that time completely separate from the name Jacob.  I take this as a strong indication that the language and culture that originated these names had already made a complete distinction between the two names, and their subsquent, but separate histories grew onward from this.  An example would be the use of "Joshua" or "Yeshua" and the name "Jesus."  I would merge those two entries because the name Jesus did not even exist then.  The person we call Christ's name was in fact Yeshua, or Joshua.  This is not the same of James and Jacob because I have never understood the use of the name James in New Testament times to be synonymous with Jacob.  Even the Hebrews of the period knew it as a derivation, not the same name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ProperGood (talk • contribs) 21:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, you're pretty much completely wrong there.  The New Testament says "Iakob" in Greek, which is exactly the same word the Old Testament uses in Hebrew.  It's merely a traditional convention among English translators to say "James" when translating from Greek and "Jacob" when translating from Hebrew.  In New Testament times there was no distinction at all.  --194.98.58.121 (talk) 12:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two different times of prevalent use 

message: James shouldn't be joined to the page for Jacob. As the article states, this is a common US name as well as English... The name Tanya itself means 'Fairy Queen' should that be associated with an aramaic/slavic/latin fairy queen page? Other names and words have common derivatives but aren't joined together so in my view neither should James. James derives from Jacob, Yacob>>>IAKOBUS(Greek)>>>>>GEMMES(FRENCH)>>>>James(ENGLISH).--86.153.91.60 (talk) 04:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  James isn't Jacob even though it is dervied from it 

message: I'm a catalan speaker and I've never seen this names: Jaim,  Xaume. The others yes: Jaume, Jacob (this is not usual).
And I too speak Spanish, and all are wellknonw, but Iago, I've only seen it with a Y (Yago). But this one I can't say it sure, because there are lot's of languages that speak Spanish.--RobCatalà (talk) 16:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name (Catalan) 

message: More Presidents of the USA have been named James than any other single first name. There are 6 of them to be exact. To prove this, I took the liberty of listing the Presidents in a numeral scheme even though it is not conventional. 
Madison would be James I. 
Monroe would be James II. 
Polk would be James III. 
Buchanan would be James IV. 
Garfield would be James V. 
Carter would be James VI. 
All other names do have fewer than 6 Presidents, so let us mention it under Usage. The sentence in the Article (as opposed to here) could be as simple as "More Presidents of the USA have had this name than any other single first name." The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 02:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Presidents 

message: Sainte Gemme is a female saint, that is called in Latin Gemma and Sainte Gemmes is a misspelling of her. No connection with James. I took out the source, it is a mistake. Nortmannus (talk) 18:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sainte Gemme 

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message: Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic etc. are all different dialects of some older Semitic language. A lot of similarity follows. The meanings of a lot of common names are simple concepts. Like "the one who came behind", the second of twins, your Jacob. Now "Khamis or Khames" are common names for a fifth son. As someone else previously mentioned, the notion of Jacob = James is quite unsatisfactory.SBader (talk) 16:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  An entirely different account 

message: The given etymology needs to be attested as a claim. As I understand it, James derives from Jam'/Yom by way of an old English spelling convention adding the "es" leftover from the Roman convention adding "us", and the original name is simply Jam'/Yom, which connects genealogically to Jonas (note Roman ending), or Yun' not so much Yakob. The idea of Chinese genealogy isn't difficult either, as Jacob as chieftain knew well even in his day that Easterners arrived at his land by way of the Gulf of Sinai, Westerners by way of the Mediterranean. Yom is a different name from Yakob though with a different meaning, meaning "like the day" or "bright." -2600:1:9A1D:22D0:CE33:195A:9489:8159 (talk) 02:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Yom

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message: I'm puzzled as to how this article could/should be globalized. Granted, it is written in English, and the authors discuss cognates and nicknames. It seems impractical (as well as a waste of space) to do the same for every language listed, and it's not clear to me that some of this material is appropriate, given the debate about the "origin" of the name (if there is such a thing).
Are there guidelines that might apply more specifically to names, of people and  similar objects? 
-- Jimmy Hers (talk) 00:05, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: How to globalize

message: "Spanish Tiago"
There appears to be some confusion. Although not found often today, the Spanish version alluded to here would be Iago (derived from Latin "Iacobus"/Jacobus) It is encountered more frequently today in the  form Santiago (Saint James)  the national saint of Spain, whence I presume the confusion.
Wikipedia tells me that Thiago or Tiago is a Portuguese form. 
JF42 (talk) 04:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Iago' seems to have persisted within or between Iberian dialects/languages along side 'Jaime', particularly in combination with 'Santo', as in Santiago.  Evidently in Portuguese and Spanish the 't' was sometime deleted or displaced, yielding the shortened form 'San' for 'santos' as in San Francisco, and  San Tiago for Santiago, whence the name 'Tiago'.  --AGF 136.38.90.19 (talk) 17:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish Tiago 

message: Historically 'Jack' is a version of John, althought there seems to be widespread ignorance of this fact. Association with James appears to be a modern confusion although most people naming their child Jack today seem to assume that it is  a name in its own right, beloved of Hollywood.
JF42 (talk) 04:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack 

message: Just saying. פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 16:33, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to disambiguated Jim is correct and deliberate 

message: In what places? During what periods?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.111.216 (talk) 18:27, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "many Jews used this name for representing the Hebrew name of Haim"