Talk:2006 Iranian sumptuary law hoax

message: The National Post appears to have broken this story, and UPI and other news sources have picked it up. Please only verifiable mainstream news sources as sources for this article; this is being given heavy rotation in the blogosphere, but much of the discussion there appears to be unsourced speculation. Can we confirm any of this from official Iranian sources? -- 80.168.224.129 19:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, Simon Wiesenthal Center wrote about the story before the National Post. Pecher Talk 20:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What is your source? Simon Wiesenthal Center were asked to comment on the National Post story, which ran yesterday and today. This is a National Post story and everyone else is citing National Post. Again, this story has not yet been verified by any news agencies. --ManiF 20:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Please refrain from personal comments. Rabbi Hier cites the editorial by Amir Taheri, which is a different article from the one used as a source here, to refer to the emerging consensus on distinctive clothing, not about the law itself. Pecher Talk 20:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The whole story on the law's application to Jews and Christians is based on Amir Taheri's editorial in the National Post and subsequent comments from two expatriate Iranians in the new National Post report today. The source of the story is the National Post, all the other sources are citing the National Post. --ManiF 21:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Check again, please. They all say "according to Canada's National Post". --ManiF 21:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ynet cites al-Sharq al-Awsat rather than National Post. Jerusalem Post cites National Post, but many other sources too. Pecher Talk 21:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The al-Sharq al-Awsat story is about the proposed legislation to promote "Islamic and indigenous fashion" and has nothing to do with the subject of fashion requirements for Jews or Christians in particular. --ManiF 21:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, but if you look closely, ynetnews's story is almost identical to The National Post's report, it even quotes the same people. ynetnews is a bit "tabloidish" anyways. --ManiF 21:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: No, it is not, as Pecher said, the Simon Wiesenthal Center were first. If you read the original newswire from the national post, it referred to an unnamed NGO, and they are the only NGO to have written about it so far. Joffeloff 20:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read the above section please, Simon Wiesenthal Center's source was an earlier editorial in the National Post by Amir Taheri. --ManiF 22:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   National Post story 

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'"The National Post, quoting "Iranian expatriates living in Canada," said the law would require "Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews...to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth."
Iranian Jewish lawmaker Morris Motamed told the AP: "Such a plan has never been proposed or discussed in parliament. Such news, which appeared abroad, is an insult to religious minorities here."' --ManiF 22:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Associated Press' report 

message: Currently, the articel seems to be a bunch of descreet paragraphs that don't acknowledge the existance of the other: Names and titles are repeated, duplication of quotations is rife, and other things that I can't put my finger on. Hence I've tagged it as such. 68.39.174.238 01:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, it seems that the first name of the Jewish legislator isn't very certain given the two difference transliterations of it (Morris and Maurice). 68.39.174.238 01:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup tag 

message: The story that appeared on the front page which was authored by Chris Wattie has no link. The National Post seems to have wiped it from existence.  Is there a cached version of it?  It is obviously a central reference for the article.--24.76.232.204 01:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Story completely gone from the internet? 

message: I appreciate the historical similarites and that the Jewish are stated to be included in this law, but is it specific enough to merit inclusion? Also, if so, should it be in the Anti-Christian and -Zoroastrarian cats (If they exist)? This being a rather heavily loaded topic I'm wary of just removing this cat... 68.39.174.238 02:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-S cat? 

message: Now that the religious minority discrimination bit has been discredited, the article should be rewritten to encompass the actual law. I think the enforcement of a national dress code to avoid Western clothing styles is notable enough for that. Joffeloff 15:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the article should have "controversy" added to the end of its title. The law in itself is not notable at all. Only the controversy is notable. I also have serious doubts about the law not addressing religious minorities. All of these accusations are completely unsubstantiated. The Jewish member of Parliament in Iran is a puppet with no power. He is not a viable source for anything. KI 18:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather wait for the knowledgeable people to sort out the issue. Basically, I'm struggling to understand how it can be problematic to check the text of the law, considering the number of people all over the world that speak the language. Pecher Talk 18:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: According to the latest syndicated AP piece , "A draft law moving through parliament encourages Iranians to wear Islamic clothing to protect the country's Muslim identity but does not mention special attire for religious minorities, according to a copy obtained Saturday by The Associated Press. The 13-article bill received preliminary approval a week ago."  I think the controversy over this article's accuracy is thoroughly finished.  Although the back story as to how it got so distorted and landed on the front page of the National Post will be interesting.  --Ben Houston 18:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, the investigation on who started the story may be a story in itself. Interestingly, Amir Taheri, who wrote the editorial for National Post apparently never saw the text of the law. Pecher Talk 18:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Taheri and his ilk seem to expend considerable energy whipping up anti-Iranian sentiment worldwide, much of which is seized upon by — I have no doubt — well-intentioned wikipedians and used to justify all kinds of POV nonsense. So, I propose we now adjudge Amir Taheri as "not a reliable source" and require independent (not just  secondary source) verification for any controversial stories originating with him. — JEREMY 02:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Speaking for myself, whether notable or not I would like to know what the law is. It is definitely related to this article, so shouldn't it be included? If it is not notable, people can sort that out for themselves. Malcolmst (talk) 07:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The actual law 

message: Somebody created a Zonnar page, which, according to an old page that has since been turned into a redirect, is germane to this controversy. Would a knowledgeable person link up to the orphaned Zonnar page or nominate it for deletion? Thanks. --Chaser (T, C, e) 18:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave it a once-over. The initial part is arguably a candidate for Wiktionary, but at least the paragraph on the new controversy makes it an article. I'm skeptical whether it's worth keeping, though. --Dhartung | Talk 20:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Zonnar]] page 

message: Just in case anyone is interested, User:Meditor has threatened legal action against me for associating journalist Chris Wattie (who by lined the front page National Post story) with this fact.  Check out the discussion on his talk page here: User_talk:Meditor (I have copied it to the Talk:Chris Wattie page.  I am on good legal ground since I am just mentioning a fact with no editorializing.  --Ben Houston 18:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Threats of Legal Action by [[User:Meditor]]

message: Title should be changed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.74.110.134 (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Hoax, not a Controversy 

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message: The biographical article written about Chris Wattie does not indicate his notability or even significance beyond the single event described in this article. I propose merging any valuable content and/or supporting cites into this article, so that the focus is appropriately on the event, and not the journalist. See also WP:BLP1E. JFHJr (㊟) 21:48, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've merged Chris Wattie. Turns out the only difference between the WP:BLP1E and the WP:1E was a cite. JFHJr (㊟) 07:43, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: The lead is a bit too long and detailed, to the point of making the article feel really repetitive. 86.** IP (talk) 13:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

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