Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Archive 13

message: I think that Jewish dates (23 Kislev, etc.) should have pages just like April 23. I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Jewish dates; please continue discussion there.—msh210℠ 00:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: In case anyone is interested, Night (book), Elie Wiesel's story, is up for featured article status. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Night (book)]]

message: Could I ask that at least one religious/observant Jew take a look at my comments at Talk:Hasidic Judaism#Very POV link? The link strikes me as unrepresentative of Hasidism, but perhaps it is all too representative and should stay. In any case, if it stays it should be better captioned. I don't feel qualified to make the judgment on this one. - Jmabel | Talk 02:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hasidism 

message: Hello, we're getting an influx of what appears to be Messianic Jewish POVs in The Third Temple and Shekhina articles giving what are claimed to be mainstream Christian POVs that -- I don't know for sure -- I suspect aren't very mainstream. Seeems like a repeat of a discussion we had a while back about Passover in which a Jesus-as-Passover-Offering POV was presented (except here we gave Jesus-as-Temple and Holy-Spirit-as-Shekhinah). Can someone with more knowledge of Christianity than myself check these claims out and see if we're getting a representive or a tiny-minority POV here? Also, the relevance of some of the material seems shaky -- there's a discussion going on in the articles' talk pages. Perhaps this could be checked out as well. --Shirahadasha 03:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Third Temple and Shekhina articles

message: Has anyone seen the award proposal page? Is there any interest in proposing an award for this wikiproject?
 
This is a simple sample of what one could look like. If you think it's appropriate, please place a proposal on the page.evrik 18:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is "Wikipedian" and what's "Wikipoject"?  :-D  Tomertalk 03:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: not such a fan of that one. but something can be done. i may have something to post shortly. --User:Yung Wei 綪永徽 01:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the barnstar I made pending some sort of improvement ideas. Masterhomer  20:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It would really need to be cleaned up. Perhaps a sheriff's badge colored blue? Valley2city 19:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject Award

message: Here's an alternate version I just made:
Unfortunately, my Photoshop abilities don't measure up to those of whomever created the original barnstar...
--Eliyak T·C 10:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the barnstar I made pending some sort of improvement ideas. Masterhomer  20:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It would really need to be cleaned up. Perhaps a sheriff's badge colored blue? Valley2city 19:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate version 

message: There is a vocabulary question at Talk:Aliyah#before and after the reading - Jmabel | Talk 19:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aliyah, in the sense of the bimah 

message: Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team for Wikipedia 1.0 would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 0.5 and later versions.  Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please add to the Judaism WikiProject article table any articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one (new) for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist like this one automatically for you, please contact us.  Please feel free to post your suggestions right here.  Thanks! Walkerma 04:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0 

message: Since Wikiversity recently launched, I think there should be a presense of WikiProject Judaism in it. If anyone wants to teach any subject releated on Judaism or wants to help the project in anyway, please let me know. Masterhomer  06:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Judaism's involvement in Wikiversity 

message: I understand there is an official policy for how Hebrew terms should be transliterated, Wikipedia: Naming conventions (Hebrew), which requires modern Sephardic Hebrew as well as apostrophes in certain places. A number of articles -- Chanuyos comes to mind -- are titled in Ashkenazic Hebrew and would need to be renamed, and vast numbers of articles have various words in variant transliterations. There had been a previous discussion about carving out an exception, e.g. for Ashkenazic individual and place names, but this exception doesn't seem to have made its way into the policy. --Shirahadasha 16:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it. I agree that all pages should be moved to conventional spelling. JFW | T@lk 18:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Clarification: I've been given to understand that this is a draft and that no official policy has been adopted yet. I edited the document to make this clearer. --Shirahadasha 21:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transcription/Transliteration conventions for Hebrew

message: I reverted the Rashi page to a prior edit because of the worst kind of vandalism. <samples removed. ←Humus sapiens ну? 00:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We are open to all and unfortunartely, this happens from time to time. I took the liberty to remove examples here: no need to duplicate it. A good place to report ongoing vandalism at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (WP:AIV for short), see also Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress (WP:VIP). Thank you. ←Humus sapiens ну? 00:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism!!!! 

message: Please offer your opinion, vote, or whatever about your choice for the image to be used with the Islamic Barnstar Award at the Barnstar proposals page. Although there is consensus for the concept of an Islamic Barnstar Award, some editors would like to change the image for the award. I was just thinking you should be aware of this discussion because you have contributed to Islamic-related articles, received the Islamic Barnstar Award, or have contributed to the Islam-related Wikiprojects, etc.--JuanMuslim  1m 17:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamic Barnstar Award 

message: Some editors dispute this. Please take a look and express yourself. ←Humus sapiens ну? 23:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Jews for Jesus#A belief in divinity of Jesus is incompatible with Judaism]] 

message: This edit claims to correct Exilarch. Since it is an anonymous uncited edit claiming to correct a statement from the Jewish Encyclopedia, I'm pretty skeptical. The issue is whether Jehoiachin (JE) or Zedekiah (anon., uncited) is the last king descended from David. Does anyone know if there is any reason at all to doubt the JE here? If so, please cite; if you are sure there is not, please revert. Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 04:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exilarch 

message: I have created a new template , to tag any articles about a place, name, or concept originally written in the Hebrew alphabet, but which does not include that version in the article. It adds these articles automatically to :Category:Articles needing Hebrew script, where people knowledgeable in Hebrew can sort them out. The idea was based on . Rigadoun  (talk) 17:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template for articles needing Hebrew script 

message: I noticed that the member list off WP:Judaism was not in alphabetical order (though it is supposed to be) and therefore I have taken the initiative to alphabetize it. Valley2city 21:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. :) Masterhomer  22:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Member list in alphabetical order 

message: Can anyone explain what happened to the template section? I am confused and baffled. Masterhomer  22:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm bewildered...and here I thought we had fixed all the problems with it a coupla months ago... Tomertalk 23:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Typical programming bug- template:tt was missing a "/" --Eliyak T·C 06:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the Template section? 

message: Hi! I've requested an Editor review. If you have time, I'd very much appreciate your thoughts. Best, --Shirahadasha 06:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editor Review 

message: Please add your learned comments whether Halakha LeMoshe MiSinai should be part of the Oral Torah article or not. See the discussions at Talk:Oral Torah#Defining Halakha LeMoshe MiSinai. Thank you. IZAK 08:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defining Halakha LeMoshe MiSinai 

message: NEW: On Wikiversity there is now a "Jewish Studies School." Will it become a "duplication" of many things on Wikipedia? What should it's goals and functions be? Please add your learned views.  Thank you. IZAK 09:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish WIKIVERSITY 

message: Rescued from prod. Please improve. - CrazyRussian talk/email 04:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[P'tcha]] 

message: User:FDuffy claims that the Jewish Encyclopedia supports his position and brings a quote from it as evidence. The problem with this argument is that the Jewish Encyclopedia quote plainly opposed FDuffy's position. It plainly and clearly states that it is interpreting Samuel as representing "asked of" God -- Saul -that is untenable. The Jewish Encyclopedia not only provides no support for FDuffy's position, it strongly and emphatically opposes it. Here is the qoute again:
::The name "Shemu'el" is interpreted "asked of Yhwh," and, as Ḳimḥi suggests, represents a contraction of  , an opinion which Ewald is inclined to accept ("Lehrbuch der Hebräischen Sprache," p. 275, 3). But it is not tenable. The story of Samuel's birth, indeed, is worked out on the theory of this construction of the name (i. 1 et seq., 17, 20, 27, 28; ii. 20). But even with this etymology the value of the elements would be "priest of El" (Jastrow, in "Jour. Bib. Lit." xix. 92 et seq.). Ch. iii. supports the theory that the name implies "heard by El" or "hearer of El." The fact that "alef" and "'ayin" are confounded in this interpretation does not constitute an objection; for assonance and not etymology is the decisive factor in the Biblical name-legends, and of this class are both the first and the second chapter. The first of the two elements represents the Hebrew term "shem" (= "name"); but in this connection it as often means "son." "Shemu'el," or "Samuel," thus signifies "son of God" (see Jastrow, l.c.).
FDuffy's whole argument rests on an assumption that Hannah's answer must represent the etymology of Samuel's name, only if one believes this could an anomaly be perceived. The Jewish Encyclopedia takes the contrary position, stating that a purely etomological interpretation is "untenable." The sources FDuffy supplies simply do not check out in a very basic way. These claims should be removed. Best --Shirahadasha 14:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hannah named her son Samuel. The name, in the narrative, is interpreted as meaning "I have asked him of the Lord,"  but this interpretation belongs, etymologically, to the name Saul. It has therefore been suggested that the etymology, and probably the whole birth story with it, has been displaced from Saul to Samuel in the course of compilation or transmission.
I agree this commentary is a reliable source to support mention of the idea as a hypothesis. However, a plain reading suggests it describes the theory as a suggestion ("it has been suggested..."). This tentative statement of the view  does not appear consistent with the use of emphatic language or claims that the idea is established among "most" academic scholars or with anything like the degree of evidence or support comparable to evolution. A lot of explanation (e.g. a later anti-monarchist author etc.) which does not appear to be in this source's commentary on the Hannah story (It may be elsewhere). The Hannah article (and others) need to be signifcantly toned down, to state only what the sources can support. It is the making of statements beyond what the sources can support, as well as Wikipedia's policy shouldering editors with the responsibility for supplying sources, that is at issue. If sources can simply supplied in accordance with policy, they could be quietly checked without all this fuss and bother. Best, --Shirahadasha 22:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FDuffy claims reprised 

message: Check out - WikiProject Judaism Award. --JuanMuslim  1m 03:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Judaism Award 

message: Yes, a Judaism COTW is now established. Please help out and lets make this work. Masterhomer  04:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judaism COTW 

message: I have just begun putting the public domain Jewish Encyclopedia online at Wikisource (see here). Not only is this an invaluable source of fantastic information; it can be mined for articles and images. Best of all, we can provide sources for statements by using projects within the Wikimedia family of projects. I encourage you to help in this effort. Danny 13:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How does one cite and link a Jewish Encyclopedia article from this source? --Shirahadasha 15:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is a simple interproject link. Danny 17:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

text: You can also add a box like this in your external links section: Danny 18:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for articles 

message: The current Sukkah article is about the masechta, not about the structure.  Any takers?  Tomertalk 22:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article proposal:  [[Sukkah (building)]] 

message: Does anyone here have access to back issues of the British newspaper The Independent going back to 1990? The reason I ask is that I've worked for a while with other people on the Roald Dahl article dealing with his anti-Semitism. We've had a few anonymous users occasionally appear and try to reduce or delete this section of the article, but the charges are well-documented. Dahl long made anti-Semitic remarks, though he personally claimed to be only anti-Israel, not anti-Jewish. (It's a fact that he had several Jewish friends, who apparently viewed him as an Archie Bunker type.) However, shortly before his death in 1990, he finally admitted to The Independent that he was an anti-Semite. This last fact is one I remember being publicized back in 1990 when I was a teenager, but strangely I found no mention of it anywhere on the Internet. There was lots of information about Dahl's anti-Semitic statements in the 1980s, but it always gave the impression that Dahl went to his grave denying the charges. I finally dug up a reference to it in an old New York Times letter to the editor by Abraham Foxman that appeared shortly after Dahl's death, and this is the source I used in the Wikipedia article on Dahl. (The exact quote is as follows: "I am certainly anti-Israel, and I have become anti-Semitic.") I so far have not gained access to back issues of The Independent going back to 1990 (I think I'm going to try my local library). If anyone can get the exact citation of the article in which Dahl made this statement, I'd appreciate it. marbeh raglaim 15:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: sometimes you can get acess to back issues without paying if you declare youר browser as a Googlebot with a User agent switcher.  Jon513 10:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roald Dahl's Anti-Semitism 

message: Hi: I posted the following at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy#"Orthodoxy" alone is ambiguous. Thank you. IZAK 03:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello: This message deals with a number of issues stemming from the unclear use of the word "Orthodox" and "Orthodoxy." In the past Wikipedia has tried to avoid confusion between the names of Orthodox Judaism and Eastern Orthodox Christianity by not using the word "Orthodox" or "Orthodoxy" alone in titles when other qualifying words, such as "Church" or "Christian" (in the case of Eastern Christian Orthodoxy) or words such as "Synagogue" or "Jewish" (in the case of Orthodox Judaism, would help to qualify the usage of the name "Orthodox" or "Orthodoxy" so that any reader or editor on Wikipedia should not be confused by a title and should know from an article's or category's name whether that subject deals with either Orthodox Judaism or Eastern Orthodox Christianity (also called Orthodox Christianity). In the past there has been no objection to inserting either "church" or "Christian/ity" where the Eastern Orthodox Church articles or categories are concerned and I have tried to move in this direction. It is for this reason that I have made the nominations to rename the ambiguous categories at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 September 14#Orthodox Christian categories. Yet it seems that some editors are not aware of this and I am bringing this to your attention. I will cross-post this message to Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism and to Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism for further discussion. The implications for Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy is that it too should be renamed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodox Church or Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodox Christianity to avoid any confusion with Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism. Sincerely, IZAK 02:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting names with Christian and Jewish Orthodoxy 

message: Please see: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 September 19#Liozna and Larger than Life (books). Thank you. IZAK 06:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion review: Liozna and Larger than Life (books) 

message: In an ongoing POV attack, anons  
 attempt to present Messianic Judaism as "the practice of the religion of Judaism". ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messianic Judaism vs. Judaism 

message: Hi: Could you please take a look at the discussion concerning Conceptual backround: Hasidic dynastic disputes in the Barry Gurary article. See Talk:Barry Gurary#Dispute of content. Thanks. IZAK 03:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barry Gurary article 

message: In the Division of Jewish Studies on Wikiversity, I'm starting up a Department of Torah Study] to provide for a way for the perpetual discussion of the parshah online. If anyone is able, I'd really appreciate some help getting the project off the ground. I think it could be really successful if we could get a group of people together who are willing to contribute to the discussion even once a month. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 18:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiversity Torah Study 

message: Just wishing everyone a happy and successful New Year. Shana Tova! Masterhomer  08:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Happy New Year 

message: Kashrut is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 14:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Kashrut]]

message: Vote here. Masterhomer  04:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominated [[anti-Semitism]] for FAC 

message: Please provide your view at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 October 10#Category:Saintly person tombs in Israel. Thank you. IZAK 03:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category vote 

message: I have written the following to the nominator: 
Meshulam: You should avoid this kind of move (the hasty nomination to delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medzhibozh (Hasidic dynasty)) because it's a slippery slope and could lead to the nomination for and deletion of similar articles about smaller Hasidic dynasties - by people who are not experts and don't care - with unintended consequences. Votes to delete are open to the world and you are inviting people who have no idea what this topic is about at all to cast a vote, which is very unfair and lacking insight. It seems that you may have been better off trying to add a  template or considered MERGING the material at some point perhaps and WAITED (at least a month!) to do so. You should also have first started a discussion at a number of places where people who know something about this topic could have given their intelligent input, such as at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism and Wikipedia talk:Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week. Or you could have contacted other editors who deal with topics like this to solicit their views. This action of your is extreme and I do not condone it. I urge you to withdraw this nomination. Thank you. (I am cross-posting this message on a couple of relevant places, to get people's attention.) IZAK 10:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote to delete Medzhibozh (Hasidic dynasty)  

message: There is currently a dispute over the future fate and scope of the Bible article. Someone has enlisted the help of WikiProject Christianity on this matter, so (because this dispute has to do with including the Jewish POV) I am returning the favor here. Comments over at Talk:Bible are encouraged. Thank you for your consideration.--Andrew c 20:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bible 

message: Hi,
I recently nominated the Bereishit parsha article for FA here. However, it has run into a little difficulty because one of the editors feels that the article is not comprehensive enough, but doesn't know enough about Judaism to tell me what is needed. Could I ask you to check this article and, if it needs more to it, either add it yourself or explain what is needed on the FAC and I'll have a go. If it doesn't require anything, please also explain that on the FAC. Votes of support, of course, are also welcome. :) Thankyou, Dev920 (check out this proposal) 23:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weekly Torah portion FAC: expert help needed. 

message: Jews in apostasy article needs attention. IZAK 10:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jews in apostasy 

message: Please review the The Seven Worlds article. What is fact and waht is fiction? Anyone know? IZAK 11:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn Qabbalah the same thing as the Jewish Kabbalah? --Shirahadasha 16:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many derivative forms of kabbalah, some of which are initially from Jewish sources but have left their roots substantially. In the Middle Ages there was remarkable interest in Jewish mysticism (see Nostradamus) but much of it is completely out of key with what an Orthodox (or even Conservative) scholar would understand to be Kabbalah. JFW | T@lk 21:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Seven Worlds, is it Kabbalah? 

message: What do you make of this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Seven Worlds 2? Thanks. IZAK 09:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for deletion/The Seven Worlds 

message: I created a stub under Holy of Holies to address the location in the Tabernacle, Temple in Jerusalem and Temple Mount. There's a proposal under Talk:Holy of Holies either to merge it into Most Holy Place or to create a new article called something like Kodesh Kadoshim devoted specifically to this purpose. Please share any thoughts you might have on the subject in the discussion taking place at Talk:Holy of Holies. Best, --Shirahadasha 00:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most Holy Place seems to be an article that complies a list of holiest places according to different religions.  I don't really see a need for it.  Jon513 12:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Holy of Holies]], [[Most Holy Place]], or [[Kadosh Hakadashim]] 

message: I would like to create a project to help improve the series of articles dealing with Conservative Judaism. What do  I need to do in order to create a new WikiProject? Is anyone interested? --yonkeltron 08:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't really need to do anything except start it. Remember, be bold! I'd be interested in helping if you could get it going. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 12:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Good idea, one of the goals should be to clearly define the POV and relationships with other projects. Thanks for the advice. --yonkeltron 21:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (after edit conflit)you don't need a wikiproject - if you want to improve the articles, just go ahead an improve them. Wikiprojects are unnessiary when there are only a few editors involved, talk pages would work much better. Also, this wikiproject can with help with article related to conservative judasim. Still, if you want to creat a wikiproject you should read this. Jon513 12:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By that logic, however, why is there WP:OJ? Kari Hazzard (T | C) 21:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there should be a wikiproject for orthodox judaism.  It just makes another page I have to watch.  This project isn't so active as to make it nessisary to have splinter projects.  Often items are posted on both project!  whats the point of that! having another project for conservative judasim would just make the problem worse. Jon513 17:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only that, but it brings the conflict between various "streams" of Ashkenazi Judaism into the WP community.  Tomertalk 00:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Go for it, but as non-denominational Jew, I wouldn't join it :) I'm not in WP:OJ either. Masterhomer  05:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Conservative Judaism 

message: Question here.  Tomertalk 23:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shlosheth haReghalim 

message: Does anyone have any graphic skills, or for that matter a good graphics program to create a barnstar for contributions to Jewish projects, etc? WP:Islam has their own barnstar and I think we should have our own as well. I was thinking something looking similar to the original barnstar but with six arms instead of five (like the Magen David). Anyone willing to do this? Does something like this already exist? Let's recognize some contributions with some wikiBling... Valley2city 06:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, never mind, I notice it now on this very same talk page. Valley2city 07:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Barnstar 

message: Hi all: Care to take a look at this Aaron, Son of the Devil article and see what you make of it. Does it have validity and is it being twisted in some (anti-Semitic) ways? Thanks. IZAK 04:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see anything wrong with it in it's current form Masterhomer  06:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aaron, Son of the Devil 

message: :I added the template  to it and two users edit-warred and removed it on what I feel are poor grounds.If you have any opinion then please express it.If consensus agrees with them then I will back down from this, of course. However, if consensus is on my side then I request some comments in the talk page Talk:Nadira (actress).
The issues are expressed in these diffs:
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Basically, my contention is that since the template is a portal to Jews AND Judaism (not just Judaism) it belongs in all articles on Jews as well. They disagree for a reason that I cannot fathom (particularly, I invite you to note the last entry in User:BhaiSaab's block log).
Involved users are me User:Hkelkar, nd, on the other side, User:Zora and User:BhaiSaab
Thanks for your attention. Shalom.Hkelkar 21:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also invite attention to and comments regarding articles like J.F.R. Jacob,Nissim_Ezekiel and other articles in :Category:Indian Jews that require expansion.Hkelkar 21:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This template, like the templates for other religions, belongs in articles about Jews that have had a significant influence in Judaism in the past, in addition to topics that directly relate to Judaism. If you were to put it in every Jewish person's page, most articles would become a mess because other religion templates would follow. I'm pretty sure any person could fathom this reason. BhaiSaab talk 21:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The template may be appropriate for individuals with significant influence on either Judaism, the religion, or Secular Jewish culture. However, just as the template is clearly inappropriate to add to everyone who happens to be an American citizen, the template  is similarly inappropriate for everyone who happens to be Jewish. --Shirahadasha 22:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: OK.Hkelkar 22:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Somebody should specify this point in the template.Hkelkar 23:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pretty obvious by precedent. BhaiSaab talk 00:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Nadira (actress)]]

message: I have created this article, as well as the cat :Category:Indian Rabbis. Please peruse, expand and make corrections as needed.Hkelkar 22:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ezekiel Isaac Malekar]]

message: Is there any objection to merging Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Manual Of Style into a proposed guideline for Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Judaism)? —Viriditas | Talk 00:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New guideline

message: The Jewish Encyclopedia article on Cherubim says that the Chayot that Ezekiel saw were Cherubim, referencing a mention in the Talmud. The Cherubim article reflects this. I had always thought that the Chayot were their own kind of angel, something quite distinct from Cherubim. They get their own mention in prayers (for example, in kal adon in shacharit on shabbat). But I'm not an angel expert. Would somebody know offhand what the traditional view on this is? Is there a dispute about it? It seems to me either they shouldn't be described as cherubim in the cherubim article, or they shouldn't have their own article, or we should identify and source both sides of a difference of opinion. --Shirahadasha 21:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Created a Jewish Angelarchy stub with Maimonides' exposition in which Chayot are #1 and Cherubim #9. Apparently this is not the only opinion. I'm learning here. Feel free to add to these articles if you know more. --Shirahadasha 06:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chayot]] and [[Cherubim]] 

message: HI,
I have no in-depth knowledge of Judaism whatsoever. I came across this page: Qemant. It may or may not belong in your WikiProject. Just letting you know.
--Ling.Nut 16:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a note 

message: The article Holy of Holies has been replaced by a redirect to Most Holy Place, which is a general cross-cultural article about special places in various religious and cultural traditions. I created a stub for Kadosh Kadoshim to be able to describe features unique to the Tabernacle, Temple in Jerusalem, and current Temple Mount. I created the Kadosh Kadoshim article because the situation seemed a little like wanting an article on Nasi, and having to use either an obscure Hebrew term or an English term like Manager that has numerous other uses that drown out the intended one. I'd be open to a better term that's short, not a neologism, well-known in the English world, and unique to Judaism and the Tabernacle and Temples. Also, I'd welcome contributions on the article. Will attempt a more in-depth article soon. --Shirahadasha 06:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what happened, but Holy of Holies reappeared. Will need to sort this out later. --Shirahadasha 07:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: There are currently three articles. It appears that other editors decided that two, Most Holy Place and Holy of Holies, should be generic articles on holy sites in various religions. I have proposed that Most Holy Place and Holy of Holies be merged into one generic article, with separate articles for each major religion/site. The Jewish site could be renamed Kadosh Hakadashim but may need to remain a Hebrew term to distinguish it because other religions also have sites called a Holy of Holies. Please feel free to comment on the discussion in Talk:Holy of Holies. Shavua Tov, --Shirahadasha 06:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Most Holy Place]] and [[Kadosh Kadoshim]] 

message: Hi: See vote at: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 12#Category:Orthodox Jewish communities. Thanks. IZAK 11:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CfD Orthodox Jewish communities 

message: There is currently some discussion on the Haredim and Zionism article that might benefit from some more intelligent comments.--Meshulam 22:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second Meshulam's call for comments. I suggest those users that agree with Wiki philosophies and policies make their way over, read the article and talk page and see if their input is warranted. Yossiea 15:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Haredim and Zionism]] 

message: User:Shirahadasha has created an new article called "Open Orthodoxy" - about a new notion (that is "neither fish nor fowl") recently coined by Rabbi Avi Weiss. After having been asked about it, I attempted to redirect Open Orthodoxy to the Avi Weiss article and post all its content there because on it's own it's a neologism in violation of Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms, but Shirahadasha has reverted my redirect. What do you think should be done, please add your views at Talk:Open Orthodoxy. IZAK 09:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A deletion proposal has been made for the article and the discussion has moved to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Open Orthodoxy. Please comment there instead. --Shirahadasha 18:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Open Orthodoxy" & Avi Weiss 

message: I came across over 700 links to this organization, Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance. The site has a ton of ads but on the other hand, it has content (and a Wikipedia article). 
Normally, such an ad-intensive site with so many links gets attention at WikiProject Spam for further investigation. Even if it's not spam, many links may often get deleted as not meeting the external links guideline. I've left a note at WikiProject Spam asking others to look at some of these and see what they think. 
Even some non-profit organizations will add dozens of links to Wikipedia since links in Wikipedia are heavily weighted in Google's page ranking systems. (If interested, see the article on Spamdexing for more on this).
You can see all the links by going to this this "Search web links" page. I encourage you to look at Wikipedia's external links guideline then look at the links in the articles you normally watch. Also, if you don't mind, please also weigh in at WikiProject Spam with your opinions. If you see links to pages that you don't think add additional value beyond the content already in an article, feel free to delete them, but please don't go mindlessly deleting dozens of links. (Per WP:EL, links that don't add additional value should be deleted but that doesn't necessarily mean they're "spam").
Thanks for your help and for providing some second opinions. --A. B. 16:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  religioustolerance dot org 

message: I stumbled upon contributions of user:Budo (who earlier attracted my attention in other topics with his original interpretations), and I see quite a few artcles sitting here underlinked/undercathegorized (hence lacking rigorous attention) relater to the root "Nazar-". These must be reviewed and order made with them. Now it is total confusion.
Please review: Nazoraioi -- Nazarene (sect) --  Nazarene (disambiguation)  -- Nasoraean -- Nazoraean -- Nazuraioi redir to (Tzadikim Nistarim) -- Nazarenos (redir to Jesus) -- (Nasri redir to Monophysitism. why?) etc. `'mikkanarxi 05:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazarene & Co 

message: Hi: See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 23#Category:Anti-Semitic people. Thank you. IZAK 10:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CfD Anti-Semitic people 

message: The Messianic Judaism editors have been busy lately, you may want to know the following. Thanks. IZAK 19:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messianics again 

message: Anyone have any comment regarding this?  Tomertalk 02:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[new antisemitism]] section on opposition to shchita 

message: Does anyone know what kind of "rabbi" and Torah scholar Adolf Jellinek was (Orthodox, Reform, none-of-the-above, all-of-the above?) The question is important because he had a son Georg Jellinek who supposedly became a Christian, and the article about him says that "Jellinek, the son of Adolf Jellinek, a rabbinical scholar, converted to Christianity." Making it sound that the alleged conversion of George Jellinek is somehow "enhanced" (like a "hidur  mitzva - lehavdil) by the fact that he had a "rabbinical father." Anyhow, the portrait of Adolf doesn't look like it would make it into an ArtScroll anything right now :-} In addition, in the List of converts to Christianity from Judaism Georg Jellinek is listed and his picture features very prominently. If anyone has any more information on this, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks. IZAK 14:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adolf Jellinek and his Christian son 

message: I am having a difference of opinion with User:Inigmatus who insists that :Category:WikiProject Messianic Judaism be a sub-category of :Category:WikiProject Judaism. I have tried to edit the page , and have even tried a compromise of having it be part of :Category:Christian and Jewish interfaith topics instead which would be perfect for it, but each time he reverts me, claiming "We make that call, not you. We're not part of "normative" Christianity either."  and this:" "We" is Messianics. either both Judaism and Christain categories, or none go here. We make the call, because Messianics know best what is Messianic." , and he adds on Category talk:WikiProject Messianic Judaism#Main categories: "Either Christian and Judaism categories go here, or they both don't. Not one or the other. Messianics do not ascribe to Chrisitanity, and Judaism is an unrelated category. I didn't put either category in, so I request both be removed, but if one is to be listed, then I request both Christianity and Judaism be listed. "We" Messianics have the right to inform the readers who "we" are affiliated with. inigmatus 04:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute over Category:WikiProject Messianic Judaism  

message: On 25 October 2006 , User:Inigmatus moved Messianic religious practices to Messianic Halakha with the lame excuse "moved Messianic religious practices to Messianic Halakha: As discussed in prior archives, with the creation of the new Messianic Judaism template, this page can now be targeted for clean up: This entire page is better split into two articles"  thus opening up a whole new can of worms. This fits into this new pattern of vigorous pro-Messianic Judaism POV edits, moves, categories, projects and articles, basically without warning and ignoring the consensus that has been maintained for some time. The main problem is that the over-all thrust of the recent pro-Messianic Judaism activity is to mimic and and get as close as possible to any and all Judaism, particularly Orthodox Judaism, articles and efforts, so that anyone looking at the one will arrive at the other by sheer proximity and similarity. And I repeat this again, because of its relevance: *User:Inigmatus (contributions), self-described as "A mystery user with a point to be made" (wouldn't that make anything he does as automatically POV?), has added a number of features to Messianic Judaism. A month ago he evidently plagiarized  the  Template:Judaism and created Template Messianic Judaism based on it. He also created Wikipedia:WikiProject Messianic Judaism also obviously  plagiarizing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism page. This may mislead unsuspecting readers and there ought to be some warning or guidance about this. I would suggest that a new template be develpoed that would be placed on Messianic Judaism pages with a  "Note: This article deals with Messianic Judaism. It does not represent normative Judaism and does not have any connection with, or official recognition from, any Jewish denominations." IZAK 03:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: The subject of this article or section does not represent normative Judaism and does not have any connection with, or official recognition from, any Jewish denominations.
Feel free to use it where applicable. Thanks. IZAK 05:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messianic "Halakha" etc? 

message: Hi: In view of the above, please see the new  template:
:Note: The subject of this article or section does not represent normative Judaism and does not have any connection with, or official recognition from, any Jewish denominations.
Feel free to use it where applicable. Thanks. IZAK 05:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welcome the NotJudaism template 

message: There were a bunch of recent additions to Solomon's Temple. I did my best to copy edit this poorly written material, but I suspect that it was also poorly sourced and mostly either inaccurate, conjectural, or (insofar as it was accurate) redundant to material already there. Way outside of my expertise, though. Could someone have a look? - Jmabel | Talk 05:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solomon's Temple 

message: Added by a new editor. The entry looks plausible but I am unable to find any sources in English google. I was hoping that people who knew more might be able to find sources and  determine if this group is real and notable. JoshuaZ 05:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting concept - a sort of Conservative but at any rate definitely non-Haredi Hassidic movement, (understand the relative confluence of positions may be purely coincidental). If this is for real and this is a legitimate Hassidic movement, some of the statements made in the Hassidic Judaism article, and possibly some of the other places where Hassidic Judaism is contrasted with other branches, where we generally assume it to always be a branch of Haredi Judaism, may need a footnote or something indicating an exception. --Shirahadasha 08:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Edaevich (Hasidic dynasty)]] 

message: Question here.  Tomertalk 05:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  re:  R' Gamedze 

message: I've written more than two dozen entries on Yiddish prose-writers and poets in the Russian-language wiki (some widely known religious figures as well). It is quite problematic an undertaking there, because these entries are regularly suggested for deletion on grounds of "having too many Jews there already" (verbatim) and the like (in the Russian wiki this sort of language is permitted). Thus far only one is about to be actually removed (on poet Srul Bronshtein). However, now that I just started to translate the entries into the English and Yiddish wikipedias (see my first addition on Srul Bronshtein), the very same people immediately post these for deletion. This seems to be a sort of stalking, but since my experience with this is limited, I don't really know what to do. Any help? --SimulacrumDP 19:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is NOT permitted in the English language Wiki. If such language appears, warn the editors that their behavior constitutes WP:Vandalism of our encyclopedia and if they persist report them under WP:VANDAL for blocking per the Blocking policy. Or some of us can intervene. Are there any current articles on which this has occurred? Please identify. Best, --Shirahadasha 21:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The guys know it's not permitted in the English language Wiki, they use different language with the same actions. Discussion of reasons for deletion in Russian  is replete with open statements (original reason for deletion in the very first line is stated as follows: Принадлежность к одной из нации — не есть критерий значимости, literally: "Being of one certain ethnicity is not a notability criterion", certain ethnicity is one of euphemisms normally used in Russian for this very certain ethnicity). What follows is not even euphemistic, very open talk about Jewish privileges, usual traditional anti-Semitic distortion of the poet's names in various "funny" ways, etc. In a single day one can see 4-5 postings for deletion of Yiddish/Hebrew writers and the likes. Then this same guy (in fact, an administrator!) posts the English version for deletion just saying he can't find anything in the google. Thanks for help, let's see what comes out of the discussion. --SimulacrumDP 00:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yiddish writers

message: Hi, I was hoping we could collaborate on cleaning splitting and writing up more articles related to 7mBn. I've tagged Noahide laws for a cleanup. I'm not rushing in, I've read them all up, I'm waiting for the readiness of a few others so we can take this on together, and have it featured on the main page sometime. Its possible, there are quite a few of us and will potentialy be a subject of interest. Again, I'm one for words and think the parent article should be Seven Laws of Noach, as in 'Sheva Mitzvas Bnei Noach'. Anything that is should be another 'ism'. Chavatshimshon 01:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Noahide Laws]] cleanup 

message: Names of God in Judaism has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" from featured status. The instructions for the FAR process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy (Talk) 22:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Names of God in Judaism]]

message: I am from the goyim side researching a Christian project which has a recurring Jewish theme rooted partly in the Narbonne and Leon schools of the 13th Century through an alchemical line via the Paris 1290 and Brussels 1370 pogroms into modern facts. If these ring a bell with anyone, please contact me directly at jelmain@skynet.be - I would prefer to have my suggestions peer-reviewed first.Jel 16:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Declaration of interest]]

message: See . ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC: [[Talk:Jews for Jesus]] 

message: :An editor has raised neutrality issues with the article. The subject is part of Jewish history, particularly the section Goa_Inquisition#Persecution_of_Jews, regarding the persecution of Indian Jews during the Christian inquisition in India. I would greatly appreciate perusal and input regarding any neutrality issues. Hkelkar 04:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: has called the Jewish encyclopedia a "hate source".Bakaman 06:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Goa Inquisition]]

message: I came across the guf which is apparently where souls are kept before birth. The two links provided (to jewishencyclopedia.com) only mention "guf" in passing, apparently as the transliteration from Hebrew of a word translated as "cage" or similar. Knowing positively jack squat about Judaism, I've come to ask someone here: is "the guf" a legitimate concept? The article also calls it the "Chamber of Guf" and notes several alternate spellings. Is "the guf" (or actually it should be just guf) the appropriate place for it? –  Anþony  talk  13:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confused. Doesn't guf mean "body"? JoshuaZ 05:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So am I. The article says guf/guph/gup means "to be hollow", then "guff" means body like you say. The links also refer to it as a cage or a columbarium. I don't know enough (really anything) about this to even understand if the article's contradicting itself. –  Anþony  talk  14:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm no expert on this, and can't be of much help, but I have heard this same explanation of "The Guf" as in that article once before, long ago - in a Hollywood movie!  (It was Damien Omen I think, or something similar...) ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 17:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The guf]] 

message: The current organization there is abit muddled, and needs some discussing how to deal with. A general proposal for cleaning it up is posted at Category talk:Religious leaders#Organization proposal, and more input would be great. It doesn't address the issue of Religious leaders/religious workers/religious figures, but that is another issue that exists. Badbilltucker 22:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Religious leaders]] 

message: An anon has taken out a section there claiming as matters a conversation at Modern Orthodoxy- I don't fully understand what the critique of the section is. If someone who knows more about the relevant details could take a look it would be appreciated. JoshuaZ 05:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torah Umadda 

message: it seems to me that this article should be at Shemoneh Esrei or even Eighteen Benedictions rather than at amidah, since the former is the prayer's proper name, `amidha being instead a "nickname" of sorts, analogous to the situation with `arvith, as opposed to ma`ariv.  Thoughts?  Tomertalk 23:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, Shemoneh Esrei is just as much a nickname as Amidah. Chazal refer to it as simply "Tefillah" and obviously that has taken on a much more general definition nowadays. --DLandTALK 23:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Harumph.  Fine.  It's an older nickname.  :-)  Tomertalk 00:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Amidah is shorter and therefore easier for people with little or no knowledge of Hebrew. Eighteen Benedictions, of course, has the problem that the actual number varies (weekday vs. Shabat and Yom Tov) and there are never 18.--agr 02:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither of those are real concerns as far as Wikipedia goes. We name articles based on the most appropriate title, not based on what is "easier." Also, the colloquial term is "Shemoneh Esrei" regardless of the actual number of benedictions. Despite this, I think it should stay as Amidah anyway. --DLandTALK 02:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Amidah]] or [[Shmona Esrei]]? 

message: Would anyone like to start an article about the Korban Pesach? Since right now all there is, is that Paschal Lamb disambig page that splits off to Jesus... It would be a nice start for Pesach too and help the Passover-related articles. Thanks. IZAK 09:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jewish Encyclopedia, anyone?  Here's the relevant ártigo... ;-)  Tomertalk 07:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paschal Lamb article needed 

message: I strongly suspect that the Solomon's Temple article has been kidnapped by a fanatic crackpot. Sample: "the Temple could in no way have stood on the rock culminating the ancient Jewish citadel… For all the details, mathematical data and references, concerning this masterstroke-historical manipulation in Jerusalem (which, according to Natan, succeeded brilliantly until this day), and concerning (also according to Natan) the blind persistency of magisterial and complacent errors in history and archaeology, see the book online: The Temple of Solomon could not stand on its Water Tower at  www.jerusalem-4thtemple.org." It is permeated through with this sort of stuff. I don't know the topic well enough to do much about this (I was just in there trying to copyedit when I noticed that there were problems well beyond those I can deal with as a proofreader). I suspect it may need eit
her to be selectively removed, to be peeled way back to some much earlier version, or even to be restarted from scratch by someone knowledgable. - Jmabel | Talk 20:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Went ahead and reverted back to my last (Dec 6.) revert. --Shirahadasha 21:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: A user named User:Nnatan was here on December 6 with a similar set of edits. I reverted them several times and explained on his talk page why the source web site and self-published book don't meet the WP:RS criteria. Perhaps the two users are related. --
Shirahadasha 21:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly, they're probably non-colloquant cohabitants of the same corpus.  Tomertalk 07:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: *I've fixed, and copyedited, Temple in Jerusalem. Someone might want to nominate it for GA status now, it's looking pretty good. -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 00:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Solomon's Temple]] 

message: The "Jewish-American businesspeople" category was removed as were other ethnic groupings for business people. Comments are welcome at the discussion page for undeletion. I am trying to have the category recreated. Please read the comments there, and leave your thoughts. There are 15 subcategories for :Category:Jewish Americans but this one was deleted by a group of people opposed to Jewish identity in articles. Only three votes were cast and then the category was deleted, leaving the biographies without a heritage category. Even if you believe there shouldn't be heritage categories please read the discussion and leave an opinion.
Please go to:Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_December_14#Category:Jewish-American_businesspeople_changed_to_Category:American_businesspeople
--Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 23:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish-American businesspeople category removed 

message: What does one make of the new :Category:Palestinian rabbis and :Category:Talmud rabbis in Palestine, should they be renamed to something like :Category:Rabbis of ancient Palestine? so that it does not connect, and become confused with, the way the word "Palestinian" is used today (meaning the very unJewish modern Arab Palestinians, who have nothing to do with these rabbis!) Thanks. IZAK 09:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Palestinian rabbis 

message: Note: Many articles about the rabbis of the Talmud and Mishnah are derived from the archaic Jewish Encyclopedia, published between 1901-1906, over one hundred years ago (when the Middle East was still under the thumb of the Ottoman Turks) and which used the archaic expressions "Palestine" when referring to the Land of Israel, and to the Jews living in the areas of the historical Land of Israel as "Palestinians." This is a big mistake that requires constant attention and correction, especially when copying and editing articles from the Jewish Encyclopedia or from similarly archaic sources such as Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897). At this time, no-one uses the term/s "Palestinian/s" (in relation to anything associated with Jews or the land they lived in and which they regarded as their homeland) nor by any type of conventional Jewish scholarship, particularly at the present time when the label "Palestinian" is almost entirely identified with the Palestinian Arabs who are mostly Muslims. Finally, kindly take note that the name Palestinian Talmud is also not used and it redirects to the conventional term Jerusalem Talmud used in Jewish scholarship. Thank you. IZAK 13:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis to avoid confusion

message: Makes sense, I'll try to remember.  However, there was a period when everyone referred to the land of Israel as Palestine.  Therefore, to say something like "in 1940 Shlomo Pines emigrated to Israel" would appear to be an anachronism.  Don't we have to use the term "Palestine" during a certain period for historical accuracy?  What is this period?  From Roman conquest until 1948?  Thanks.  Dfass 15:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis 

message: ((heading added--DGG)
I must seriously question User:Badbilltucker's assertion above that:
:"Atheism is a form of religion, and that is why it was placed in the "Religion" section of the Project Directory. I know, because I was the primary person responsible for creating the directory in the first instance." 
Come again?  "Atheism is a form of religion"??? What religion? Atheism comes from the Greek words a theos - "there is no God" so how can not believing in God be termed a "religion" unless one has totally lost touch with what the classical definition of "religion" means = (most basically) "belief in [a] God." Otherwise we can say that anytime anyone holds by any views (even antithetical to religion) they are "religious." If one is a fan of a movie star or celebrity or whatever tickles one's fancy, does that make one into a follower of a "religion"? Like the proverbial "Church of baseball" merely because most of America worships at its TV-altar as its national sport and people love to "worship" it tirelessly? One cannot allow confusion about the basics of religion to become the false foundation-stone of Wikipedia articles or projects. Sure we must, and we do all strive, for perfection as editors and writers, but we are not brainless blobs without ideals or religious principles, we must be steeped in knowledge and life's experience. IZAK 18:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bill, if you intend to tell the Wikipedia atheists that atheism is a form of religion, please let me know, because I'd like to watch. ;-) SlimVirgin (talk) 19:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This may not be the appropriate forum for this issue -- perhaps it should be brought up on the relevant WikiProject. Best, --Shirahadasha 20:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, a far better refutation of frummer's assertion is the fact that he first gives an etymology and then proceeds to say his etymology (correct or not is irrelevant here) is reason enough to support including WP:ATHEISM in WP:RELIGION...but there's nothing in that etymology even remotely relevant to either wikiprojects or atheism.  There's no reason given, therefore, aside from "frummer thinks so".  Tomertalk 16:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the short route, but I like to educate him too. IZAK 03:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I merely noted that there has been allot of scholarly debate around the definition of religion, the etymology of which i provided. Due to this i don't think one can simply put down the proposal. Thanks for the tremendous educative efforts on your behalf! frummer 05:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: atheism

message: Feel free to add to Special Sabbaths. Thanks. IZAK 03:36, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Special Sabbaths 

message: Milkhemet Mitzvah needs some attention, someone came at from a funny angle initially. See what you can add. Thanks. IZAK 18:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Milkhemet Mitzvah 

message: ... is currently located at "Rebekah".  My feeling is that the article should be located at the most common English spelling should be used, which is "Rebecca" (or maybe "Rebeccah").  See Talk: Rebekah.  —Batamtig 00:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[Rebecca]]" article 

message: Hi there, I just wanted to let you guys know of the WikiProject Messianic Judaism, which was recently started. I want to raise the issue of their Template:Messianic Judaism, which has many of the same articles as Template:Judaism does. Please see the ongoing discussion at Template_talk:Messianic Judaism regarding the contents of that template. Thanks. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 03:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like it, but I don't really see what can be done about it.  If they claim something is "relevant" to their religion, who can deny that?  However, one can complain that they're hiding their Christian identity by not linking to many Christian articles.  Peter, Paul, etc. would be favorite here. —Batamtig 20:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My main digression is that they are using articles that have nothing to do with Messianic Judaism in their template. Take Kosher for instance. Messianic Jews do not keep kosher. They don't follow the 613_mitzvot. They don't have any Conversion to Judaism. Yet all of these articles are listed on their template. They even have a link to the New Testament under a subheading with a link to :Category:Jewish_texts. And it's misleading since they have the term apostolic, some bizarre word I have never seen used. Looking at the Wikipedia article on the word, it has nothing to do with Jewish texts or anything Jewish. These blatant examples of misleading statements regarding Jews need to be dealt with. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 00:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Messianic Judaism 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: I translated the Russian wiki page, and would appreciate some editing. Please see the talk page for details. Madler 04:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Added Page on [[Shorter Jewish Encyclopedia]]

message: How notable is this person Mala Zimetbaum, and does she deserve an article of her own? There were millions of Holocaust so should they all get their own articles now? Doesn't that trivialize the event? Seems that if someone gets to write a book or gets mentioned somewhere, they then "automatically" become notable. What do you think? IZAK 16:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mala Zimetbaum and millions of Holocaust victims and survivors 

message: Question: What should be the name for the Shalosh Regalim: the Three pilgrim festivals or the Three pilgrimage festivals? Please see the discussion at Talk:Three pilgrimage festivals#Name. Thanks you. IZAK 16:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Three pilgrim festivals" vs. "Three pilgrimage festivals" 

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. IZAK 19:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently 36-19 in favor of delete is "no consensus, lean towards keep." No consensus I can understand, but lean towards keep? Especially annoying when most of the keeps were from editors with no edits to Judaism (or MJ) articles calling the deletion "oppression of a minority," which is impossible with MJ. Inigmatus was the only real defender, but his arguments must have appealed to the closing admin. Dbratton 10:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Messianic Judaism }} 

message: I think we should start to add ratings to the WP:Judaism template (ie: stub-class, start-class, b-class, etc...) as well as having an assessment system. I don't know how to go about with this technical stuff at this time but is anyone else knowledgeable on how to do this? See Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey (WP:NJ) for an example of what I see it looking like. Valley2city 20:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding technical stuff to templates 

message: Hello, IZAK and I are having one of our occassional disagreements where outside comment might be helpful, this time about the Kavod HaBriyot article. I recently started the article because the concept has gotten increased notability as a result of its use in a Conservative opinion on homosexuality. It was previously used by Daniel Sperber as a basis for an opinion on women's aliyot. Before then Orthodox rabbis used it for much more mundane topics like whether a deaf person can use a hearing aid on Shabbat. These rulings are based on a particular Bareitah and related discussion in Berachot 19b beginning with "Great is kevod habriyot, which can override a negative prohibition of the Torah." IZAK has rewritten the article (a) to claim that the concept as we know it today is really based on statements in Pirkei Avot and elsewhere, and (b) to present as fact his view that the Rabbis of the Gemorrah eventually rejected the Baraitah in toto, so that it has no legitimate application in Halachah, period. Whatever one makes of this, I presented sources that contemporary rabbis (on the mundane as well as the controversial topics) looked to Berachot 19b as their source, saw it as still having some life (although addressing at most Rabbinic rather than Torah prohibitions), and used it in contemporary opinions. Although I respect both his passionate attachment and his scholarship, IZAK's essay seems to me to be essentially Original research. What do others make of this? IZAK has put a lot of work into this, and I'd appreciate other's opinions before any more attempts to revert each other are made.  Obviously this is a controversial topic with multiple views, and I myself find some interpretations more dubious than others. Please comment on Talk:Kavod HaBriyot#Requesting Comments. Thanks. Hope you had a tzom kal and have a Happy New Year, --Shirahadasha 00:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kavod HaBriyot]] article 

message: Have you ever had a close look at this strange article: Adolf Hitler's contacts with Jewish people? It's full of red links for the supposed Jews he had contact with (do they deserve articles just because they were Hitler's alleged dentist/shoe-shine-boy/chimney-sweep/whatnots etc?) It's weirdly prurient. The heading stinks. Do all the Jews killed in the Holocaust get to be in it? How about all the theories about Hitler having a Jewish ancestor, does that also count as him having "contact" with Jewish people? I doubt that the originators of this article and those who worked on it have rational objectives. It should be merged with something else involving Adolf Hitler or even deleted for its stupidity. (If not, how about Adolf Hitler's contacts with gypsies, Adolf Hitler's contacts with Italian people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with Russian people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with retarded people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with murderers this can go on forever, and then we can even create :Category:Adolf Hitler's contacts with people. IZAK 02:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Calm down. Your addition of the red-links towards the end were not necessary. You might offend someone. However, I agree the article itself should be merged into the main Hitler article. The material is not strong enough to stand on it’s own.(Ghostexorcist 02:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Ghost: That's exactly my point, that the article is offensive to "Jewish people" among its other failings. I am calm... IZAK 03:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adolf Hitler's contacts with Jewish people 

message: Ever heard of this? See List of Muslim converts#Religious figures: "Maimonides - Jewish philosopher, theologian, and physician forced to convert to Islam under pain of death during the Cordoba massacre of 1148. Reverted to Judaism when his life was no longer under threat.Lewis (1984), p. 100" I don't see which book by "Lewis" is even cited here, and does "Lewis" even say that? (I assume this refers to the Arabist Bernard Lewis.) I had once heard that the Rambam did issue a heter for this kind of procedure (it must be written somewhere) but I had never heard that it had also happened to himself personally. I read an article in the English Yated a couple of years ago that the Mashhadi Jews in Iran relied on such a ruling from the Rambam, and that it was controversial, yet acceptable according to Halachah. Can you help with verifying this, especially if it happened to the Rambam? Thanks. IZAK 18:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes, this is true. Not so much that he was a Muslim in the sense of a practicing adherent to the religion, but yes, during th Cordoba Pogrom, he and his family were forced to "convert" (keeping in mind that to convert to Islam, all you need to do is recite the Shahadah three times in the presence of two muslims, and you're considered a full muslim. Of course, according to Judaism, you cannot stop being Jewish simply by saying a sentence three times. So while according to Islam, he was a muslim, according to the religious Jewish view, he was always Jewish. -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 19:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

text: * The go-to work of Rambam's on the topic of forced conversion is called Iggeret HaShemad. The issue of how to deal with forced converts, conversos, etc. actually leads to a whole genre of responsa among the Rishonim; everyone weighs in on it because so many communities were affected over a very long period of time. YM0107 04:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

text: * I believe this can be found in the Halkin & Hartman book, "Epistles of Maimonides: Crisis and Leadership".
Reciting the Shahadah three times only means that a person wishes to be recognized as a Muslim. Whether or not they are actually Muslim is a matter left to God (and occasionally Islamic scholars) --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 18:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Rambam was a "Muslim" for a while? 

message: The group indicated above was recently revitalized for, among other things, the purpose of working on those articles whose content is such that the article does not fall within the scope of any particular denomination. To most effectively do this, however, we would benefit greatly if there were at least one member from this Project working on those articles. On that basis, I would encourage and welcome any member of this Project willing to work on those articles to join the Religion WikiProject. Thank you. Badbilltucker 14:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Expanding Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/Articles to include a section of article that overlaps with Judaism would help many editors here may be interested in working on those article but have not noticed that existed.  Doing so for all religions would be a great way to encourage work on articles that have "fallen between the cracks" of the other wikiprojects.  Jon513 15:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the point of a list of article which falls within the scope of a project? Each project should define its own scope.  When there is a issue with an article it is talked about on the talk page.  if the issue involve a range of article, the discussion takes place on the wikiproject that is most closely related to that set of articles. The statement on the project page "This WikiProject aims to standardize Wikipedia articles on Judaism, Halakha ("Jewish law" and tradition) and other subjects and phenomena that are directly related to Judaism as a religion" defines the scope of this project quite well. Jon513 15:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is that such a list is the basis of the recent changes function, as that function reviews the recent changes to articles on that list. Badbilltucker 16:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:RELIGION|WikiProject Religion]] 

message: I am not sure what is like in other articles but the Jewish article seem to get cluttered up pretty fast with links to shurim of everyone favorite rabbi.  Perhaps it would be best if we add a comment at the top of the external link section giving a short explanation of what types of links are appropriate.  A "external link cleanup campaign" might also be a good idea.  And it could be helpful if we formate more specific rules for external links in halakhic article than what is currently explain in Wikipedia:External links.  It seems to me that there is also a problem when there are many links to different, yet comparable, shurim on a topic.  There is no need to include all, but it is hard to justify how to pick just one. Jon513 15:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links  

message: Anon editor 24.110.12.50 has made some pretty substantial edits to Judaism's view of Jesus, Jewish Messiah, and Messianic Prophecy that should be examined. He's obviously well-intentioned, but his grasp of the language is a bit lacking and he's been somewhat over-eager to add links to numerous anti-missionary sites to every page which aren't really necessary for the subjects in question. Some of his other additions may be worthwhile, which is why I haven't made the changes myself - it will require a bit of effort to determine what parts should be kept and adjust the wording, and I'm going to bed momentarily after a long, torturous day of flat hunting. ;)
While you're at Judaism's view of Jesus be sure to check out the one-man crusade being waged by editor Just nigel to introduce first a section on MJ, and now a POV tag because the page is "biased against their religious minority". Dbratton 22:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:24.110.12.50|24.110.12.50]] edits to various articles 

message: Take a look at these templates:
* (top left)
* (bottom)
* (top right)
* (top right)
* (left)
with the  displayed prominently. Honestly, of all of Hinduism's symbols' did this one have to get "headline" billing on these templates? Alternatives are aplenty if one were to look around on articles listed on  where there are dozens of less offensive symbols that could be chosen for the same purpose. While the swastika may be ok with some Hindus, it should not be flashed around "in all innocence" because for the rest of the world that was caught up in World War II it was the symbol of literal EVIL, DEATH and DESTRUCTION emanating from the Nazis. It was Hitler's personal diabolical "symbol of choice" and for that reason it is VERY far from neutral, no matter in what context it is used. It violates Wikipedia:Civility to have it displayed in such an "in your face" fashion on these Hindu templates, giving it a dubious "place of pride" it does not deserve. Need one say more? IZAK 22:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a religious symbol, plain and simple. Not everyone in the world are racist or a Nazi. I understand that your hatred for what Hitler did is very passionate, but you need to stop looking at everything like it’s a plot against the Jewish people on Wikipedia. I'll admit that it's not a traditional-looking swastika which normally opens to the left. This is a Buddhist symbol.(Ghostexorcist 23:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm: So what about the guy who posted  one of the templates () on my talk page, what the heck did I do to deserve a "welcoming swastika"  -- a totally absurd move -- either the guy lacks total perspective and he's clue-less or he is verging on truly "Dangerours" behaviour (note his user name: User:Dangerous-Boy -- obscured with "D-Boy"). Have you ever heard of the Holocaust many people associatete that, and not Hindusim, with the swastika, any swastika, so would it make sense to plaster an image like the one below on Hindu-related pages and templates? Tactless, pointless, and bound to create ill-feeling, right? Or what do you say, swastikas are like cute stickers? IZAK 23:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IZAK, I think I understand and somewhat share your feelings, but IMHO you are overreacting here. Nazi swastika looked different and symbolized something very different. More importantly, I don't see an evidence of their intention to offend, and they seem to simply celebrate their religion. Perhaps more education/reconciliation is in order. ←Humus sapiens ну? 00:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Humus: Thanks for your input, but for most people, even intelligent ones, "a swastika, is a swastika, is a swastika" -- I am not saying that the intention was deliberate, I am saying that this symbol is "too hot to handle" and that if they have better alternatives they should use it, as not everyone can stay calm and get educated about the nuances of swastikas when about 65 yeears ago their ancestors were murdered by the millions with hazy ("warm and fuzzy") swastikas fluttering all over the place... It's a two-way street, as we take our time getting educated (it may take about two thousand years) they also need to get educated about what it means to some other people who hate it for very good reasons. IZAK 01:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to get into a heated discussion over the subject. You are reading too much into the symbol itself. It was used LONG before Hitler took it as his symbol. Most westerners don't even realize that it has a use outside of the Nazi party. I believe Humus sapiens was right when he commented on further education on the subject. (Ghostexorcist 01:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I was also right that civilization cannot wait 2000 years to get educated. Some things are too painful and should not be abused or covered up with "education needed" -- that is the way all totalitarians reacted, they sent people for "re"-education...IZAK 02:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hitler's "re-education" was not about openness, learning the history of other societies, and increasing in mental diversity. It was about censorship, exclusion of anything he did not personally tolerate, and blindness to the cultures of the outside world.--tjstrf talk 02:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I wasn't referring to Hitler, his solution was genocide, I was thinking more about the Russians and Chinese who in addition to genocide used "re-education" by sending them to the gulags and the farms etc. IZAK 02:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: So now you are a Bigot and a RACIST! (Ghostexorcist 02:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IZAK...You crossed the line there. MetsFan76 02:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: You are one sick person. You just equated me with a nazi. Is "Bigot" your middle name?(Ghostexorcist 02:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I am saying that anyone who can casually dismiss objections to the use of swastikas, evidently does not care that much about what the swastika, any swastika, meant to victims, dead and alive, of the Holocaust. I cannot fathom why you attribute "equations" to me that I never made. I mean what I say, and say what I mean. Like "Tell that to the marines." I leave "equations" for mathematicians. IZAK 02:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I urge all Jewish people to contribute in this discussion, it is not the fault of a 3000 year old peaceful religion that a person in the 20th century adopted its religious symbol for a political symbol. Hindus are not Nazis, if you believe that then I have nothing to say to you. Hindu nationalist groups are one of the biggest supporters of Israel within India. See Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, Hindutva and here. Nobleeagle  [TALK] [C] 03:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funny Swastika 

message: I have proposed two separate moves:
1. Aharon Leib Shteinman --> Aharon Leib Steinman
2. Joseph Soloveitchik --> Joseph B. Soloveitchik
Please see Talk:Aharon Leib Shteinman and Talk:Joseph Soloveitchik to discuss and comment. Thanks, DLandTALK 04:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two move proposals 

message: Great Synagogue of London has been tagged as requiring expert attention. Any such assistance in improving this article would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Badbilltucker 02:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article tagged as needing expert attention 

message: Jon513 and I have had our hands full dealing with some original research-related edit warring from a new editor at Negiah. If anyone can help us build consensus there, it would be appreciated. --DLandTALK 04:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Negiah]] 

message: Hi all.  A person pointed out to me that some of the individual pages for various rabbinical works (i.e., Avot de-Rabbi Nathan) are difficult to dive into without some background.  What I thought might help matters would be some sort of template for "rabbinical literature" that would essentially parallel the structure of the Rabbinical literature page, and could be placed on the individual pages for the various Midrashic works and such (any page describing a post-biblical and pre-medieval work).  This would make it immediately obvious what "category" such pages belong to, and where the interested reader should go for a "gentle introduction".  (Of course the Rabbinical literature page should then provide such a "gentle introduction", which I'm not sure it currently does.)  Is this template a good idea, and, if so, should I just go ahead and try to make a template (I've never done one before), or is there some procedure?  Or is it a bad idea?  Thanks much.  —Dfass 00:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In case anyone cares, I'm working on such a template myself: Template:Rabbinical Literature.  Currently, it's a mess, but I will try to get it more together.  Any ideas are welcome.  —Dfass 18:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal: template for "rabbinical literature" 

message: Please read Banu Qurayza and then compare it to Banu Nadir, Banu Qaynuqa, and Muhammad and the Jews. The first one is well written, while the last three proclaim, in not so many words, that Muhammad was great and those Jews had it coming. Please try to make all the articles like the Banu Qurayza article! Muhammad's treatment of the Jews is held up to be the model to emulate in many parts of the Middle East. It's vital that the wikipedia articles on these topics be accurate and neutral. Arrow740 02:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muhammad's destruction of the Jews of Arabia 

message: Hi, could somebody please place one of those Hebrew-character parenthetical names for this guy? I mean, the one with standard Hebrew and Tiberian Hebrew and the like.  I wasn't sure which part of To-Do I should put this, so I figured I may as well put it here.  The Behnam 07:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jared (ancestor of Noah)]]

message: Godhead (Judaism) is a new contribution that requires further input. Thanks. IZAK 08:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godhead (Judaism) 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SFD#.7B.7BHeBible-stub.7D.7D_.E2.86.92_.7B.7BTanakh-stub.7D.7D - crz crztalk 19:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|HeBible-stub}} on SfR 

message: Greetings! I come under the auspices of WikiProject Abandoned Articles, aiming to bring abandoned articles back to life. One such article is Molten Sea, and I was wondering if there was anybody with enough knowledge to expand the article and make it more detailed and comprehensive.
--Lord Pheasant 22:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Molten Sea 

message: An editor, User:Pan Dan, has tagged United Synagogue Day School, a Conservative Jewish Day school in Toronto, as not being notable. I am having trouble proving its notability. Any help to keep it would be appreciated. --YUL89YYZ 23:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A plea for help: United Synagogue Day School 

message: Anyone is free to use my new BS'D userbox.
--יהושועEric 01:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BSD Userbox 

message: 39 categories of activity prohibited on Shabbat was recently expanded()
The source of "Ribiat, Rabbi Dovid. The 39 Melachos. 12th ed. Vol. 3. Jerusalem / New York: Feldheim, 2003. Pages 783-803." is given.  Can someone with the book handly see if it is a copyvio? (I suspect it is)  Otherwise it needs to wikified. Jon513 17:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible copyvio 

message: I didn't do any vandalism, I think some mistook it for vandalism though, all I did was put down a picture of an actual Sephardic Jew. I got it off of [http:http://racialreality.shorturl.com/]. There was no harm intended. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arnie Gov (talk • contribs) 19:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the proper link to the page the image is from is . Jon513 19:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sephardic Jews 

message: A new draft of a proposed policy on criticism is being circulated. Since Judaism articles tend to have lots of controversy, suggest editors might want to review and comment on the proposal. Best, --Shirahadasha 18:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Criticism]] 

message: In Jews and Judaism in Kazakhstan, it says, and I quote:
:The Kazakh government registered eight foreign rabbis and Jewish missionaries.
Can anyone find a source for this ... one which says what exactly is meant by "Jewish missionaries"?  Tomertalk 04:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jews and Judaism in Kazakhstan]] 

message: Vat is this? Some type of joke? 203.217.94.62 09:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vat is this? 

message: Given the recent re-deletion of :Category:Jewish-American businesspeople in an attempt to circumvent the overwhelming consensus of the DRV in question, I think we might want to start an opt-in list for canvassing articles related to the project. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 16:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opt-in [[WP:CANVAS]] list 

message: In Operation Wilno article there is a dispute whether Wilno in 1920 was inhabited by Polish Jews or Lithuanian Jews. See also Talk:Operation Wilno#The Jewish Issue. Comments appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jews of Wilno/Vilnius 

message: Could some one with some background peek at Talk:List of people by name: Aa#ben Joseph & ben Elijah? (And respond to this note with at least "Done", when their peek satisfies them it's been brought under control.)--Jerzy•t 17:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aarons:  ben Joseph & ben Elijah