Talk:Tom Clarke (Irish republican)

message: Tom Clarke? Who in the world calls him Tom Clarke? I'm moving it to Thomas Clarke Dermo69
Unfortunately, this page was not on my Watchlist when the move was made last year. I believe the move was a mistake. The following books, most of which are listed in the bibliography of the Easter Rising article, all give the his names as “Tom Clarke” not “Thomas Clarke”:
*Max Caulfield, The Easter Rebellion, Dublin 1916 
*Tim Pat Coogan, 1916: The Easter Rising 
*Michael Foy and Brian Barton, The Easter Rising 
*C Desmond Greaves The Life and Times of James Connolly
*Robert Kee, Ireland: A History
*Charles Townshend, Easter 1916: The Irish Rebellion'
*Seán Mc Mahon, Rebel Ireland
*Annie Ryan, Witnesses: Inside the Easter Rising
*Kathleen Clarke, Revolutionary Woman
*Desmond Fitzgerald, Desmond’s Rising
The last three are especially important as they are the words of the people who actually knew and worked with this man. Kathleen Clarke was married to Tom, so she might be expected to know.
For these reasons, and because I am involved in an effort to improve the Easter Rising article, I propose to move this back to the original name. Scolaire 14:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I like the "revolutionary" infobox better than the "military" one because essentially a revolutionary is what he was.  Just a minor quibble: is "religion" really necessary? Of all the leaders I suspect he was one of the least religious.  Scolaire (talk) 23:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: The National Library of Ireland says he was born in 1858.
reliability:  don't they have all the books?
This site give very definite dates for his parents' marriage and his subsequent date of birth.  I haven't seen any mention of him being born out of wedlock, so if their wedding date is correct, he was born in 1858.
reliability:  looks well-researched, but no sources given
The Irish Republic: a documented chronicle of the Anglo-Irish conflict and the partitioning of Ireland, with a detailed account of the period 1916-1923 says 1858.
reliability:  takes its info from Tom Clarke and the Irish freedom movement written in 1936, the closest publication to the actual event I could find
Shall the birthdate be changed?
Colemcginnis (talk) 03:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, because currently there is no citation at all for the date. Here is a book citation for a date of 11 March 1858.  Scolaire (talk) 12:23, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Colemcginnis (talk) 21:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth 

message: I have placed the "Unreferenced section" tag for obvious reasons, though I do not have an issue with the information. It should be easy enough to reference, and if there is a problem leave a note on my talk page and I'll do it first chance I get. --Domer48'fenian' 22:31, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have replaced the tag, unexplained removal. --Domer48'fenian' 18:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have replaced the tag, as it has a reasonable purpose and logic for being there. --Domer48'fenian' 19:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And what exactly is that purpose? -R. fiend (talk) 19:12, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning the uprising 

message: ::::This article is subject to 1RR as you are no doubt aware, All articles related to The Troubles, defined as: any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to The Troubles, Irish nationalism, and British nationalism in relation to Ireland falls under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24 hour period). When in doubt, assume it is related. This edit here and this one here constitute two reverts. Please self revert. --Domer48'fenian' 19:30, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your actions are becoming disruptive, this edit here is less than helpful. Address your violation of 1RR and let us proceed to improve the article. --Domer48'fenian' 19:51, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no 1RR violation. I removed an irrelevant sentence tacked on to the end of a section. Nothing to do with the template. Besides, I know nothing about any 1RR rule. -R. fiend (talk) 19:54, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You know about it now, and as you have clearly made two reverts, one hereand the second one here so please self revert. This edit here was also clearly disruptive and should also be replaced.--Domer48'fenian' 20:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There. It is now a different version, as a change has been made. -R. fiend (talk) 20:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are simply being tendentious with these edits here and here and I suggest you stop. You are flouting the restrictions, and good faith is wearing thin. --Domer48'fenian' 20:08, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I'm doing something called "improving the article" by removing a good faith but quite useless edit. If you think the addition I removed is important to the article, please explain why and I'll take it under advisement; perhaps it could be added somewhere, but it should be justified and incorporated into the text rather than tacked on inelegantly. If you don't think it adds anything to the article then why are we having this discussion? -R. fiend (talk) 20:19, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are well aware of 1RR.--Domer48'fenian' 20:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? You expect something posted on my talk page over 2 years ago (which I didn't give much thought to then) to be something I still remember now? Besides, you'd be hard pressed to call a completely unrelated edit a revert. -R. fiend (talk) 21:27, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have raised the matter here, thanks, --Domer48'fenian' 22:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 1RR violation

message: I notice that significant sections of this article seem to be taken word for word from the Irish documentary Television program 1916 Seachtar na Cásca (link:). This needs to be fixed. -R. fiend (talk) 16:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, the copyvio was worse than I thought, and basically encompassed the entire article, so I reverted to a 2011 version. I'll work a bit on improving it. -R. fiend (talk) 14:42, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some major rewriting needed 

message: This constant chopping and changing between "from Dungannon, County Tyrone" and "from England" is silly and pointless. More to the point, it's disruptive. Let's just leave the lead saying he was Irish, and the following section saying he was born in England and grew up in Dungannon.  Scolaire (talk) 20:22, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where he was from