Talk:Silent Hill 2/Archive 1

message: I changed the picture of the cover art - I scanned a better quality pic (it's the PAL cover). Any objections? (Cipher Destiny)
:No, it looks fine to me. But please sign off after making yout comments so that I know who am I replying to. --Siva1979Talk to me 20:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changed Picture

message: Is this really needed? It states that the game is of the horror genre, and that's to be expected. If people get triggered by such things, they shouldn't be reading graphic plotlines of *horror* games. I took it out.
SZadeh 07:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Violence, cruelty warning

message: For reasons of non-NPOV, I deleted the entry comparing SH2's plot to Rebecca. Some SH2 players come to the conclusion that James didn't love Mary and killed her out of self interest, but others believe that James did truly love her, that the murder was a mercy killing, and that he merely convinced himself that he killed her for purely selfish reasons out of the overwhelming guilt he feels. Even Mary herself challenges James on this notion.
: Never knew anyone thought that he liked her. Yes in one of the endings he learns to accept her (the ending with Laura) but I always got the impression that he felt she was ruining his life. You don't think it belongs that's fine. I felt as though I was a stretch when I wrote it too. --Thaddius 16:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison to Hitchcock's Rebecca 

message: San someone document that? Maybe with a quote from a programmer? Otherwise I think it should go... maybe. --Thaddius 19:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparisons to Aguiealrea;lkjdvgha

message: From which part of the game do you infer that James had just killed his wife and immediately drove to silent hill to commit suicide?
:I suppose that since James seems to think that 3 years have passed, when only one has, someone may have gotten confused. Maybe it's supposed to be a recap of the suicide ending? --Thaddius 12:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that James wanted to commit sucide but it was only some weeks after the death of Mary that he went to Silent Hill you can find out this by veryfying the dates on some notes about Mary that you find in Brookheaven Hospital LaBotte 00:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inference from the Article

message: Serves no function that I can see. Especially in the endings section. I'm removing it. If you can justify it I suppose I'll stop interfering. --Thaddius 02:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mary's Letter

message: I just wanted to chime in that SH2 = San Bruno is not some baseless rumor, it's true. We just need a good source so it can remain in the article. 
Shortly after Silent Hill 2 was announced in 2000, a gaming website posted an article that showed the town in Silent Hill 2 was based on San Bruno CA. They posted a series of screen shots and a set of corresponding photos taken in San Bruno. There was no denying that the town shown in the screen shots was based on San Bruno. It wasn't a loose adaptation, it was an exact replica. In any case, the article is long gone and I've been unable to find any evidence that could serve as a source, so I can't remove the 'citation needed' tag. 
Nevertheless, here are four of the original screen shots that I recall from the comparison. 
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/Druffmaul/sh2_san_bruno_1.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/Druffmaul/sh2_san_bruno_2.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/Druffmaul/sh2_san_bruno_3.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/Druffmaul/sh2_san_bruno_4.jpg
Maybe someone from San Bruno can look at these and post some actual photos that correspond. Druff 18:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, parts of the town were based on San Bruno, CA, but that doesn't mean that Silent Hill IS San Bruno. Like many forms of media, Silent Hill has influences from a variety of different sources. Anyway, here's the website with the photos I think you were talking about: http://www.agony.igotaletter.com/rare_street.php You can see that at least one of the streets was based on the town. - RightClickSaveAs 17:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Bruno CA 

message: I changed the picture to a scanned PAL cover some time ago (see below) - but now the picture is the same as before (Smaller, US version). Anyone have a reason why? (Cipher Destiny 17:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Voice of Treason said he did it cause 'you can see the plastic'. I don't think he realizes that there isn't any plastic on the cover, just the half-moon shaped thing missing from the cover so you can pull the contents out and that it's beat up a bit. But instead of discussing it, he just changed it. I move that it be changed back, I liked the PAL one better. --Thaddius 14:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know the current one is the PAL one. I changed it back to the PAL one after Voice of Treason changed the pic to the NTSC one. Voice of Treason made a mistake and I corrected it, asking him to come here and discuss the cover image first before changing it again. --Thaddius 12:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Ah, right. So it stays the PAL one, for now. I'll try to get a better photo up, without the frayed edges. (Cipher Destiny 11:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I reverted it back, only to find that someone deleted the image. I think there's someone out there who really hates the PAL cover, so much that they don't even discuss it. I think that qualifies as vandalism if they just go around deleting pics. Cipher, please scan it again or repost it if you feel like it. The PAL cover is better looking that the US one. Once you've posted it we'll have an image gallery of all the covers put up just to appease these people. --Thaddius 16:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Pic was changed back again. I don't understand why either. This isn't strictly a US oriented place, there are other English speaking countries in the world. --Thaddius 19:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture changed? 

message: Why is there a redirection from fukuro (a early form of a shinai -- a bamboo sword) used for "traditional kendo" or related sports? 129.247.247.238 11:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Fukuro" is the name of a video clip from "The Art of Silent Hill" featuring Pyramid Head, which I assume is why it would redirect here, but I figure there should be some mention of it in the article itself. And if it can refer to entirely unrelated things, that should be cleared up somehow, but I'm not sure how to go about it. --72.72.86.198 08:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fukuro 

message: I have taken out the follow paragraph from the synopsis. I have done so because the statement it makes is not true - the quote from Konami does not point to whether or not there is a canonical ending for Silent Hill 2 as the original editor suggested. It is simply refering to each ending as being a real and complete ending, as anyone who reads it can see. 
"In fact, Konami has officially taken the position that each ending presents its own "real" and complete story and it is up to the player and their actions to determine which story they want to see and accept as the true one. Therefore the ending isn't a debate over which is the canonized ending, but instead more of a factor of the personal interpretation of each individual player to determine what the 'true' ending is for them."
I'd appreciate very much if it be left out. If someone wants to rework this paragraph so that accurate information is reflected, so be it, but I think it's a shame that someone misused this reference to push their own agenda with reference to the game. SilentHylian 04:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misinformation removed. 

message: I've noticed all the game's endings have been deleted. Why is this? Don't you all think that they should still be included, seeing how that they are important pieces of information regarding the game's ultimate plot/storyline?
-I agree that it should be re-inserted. If nobody have any objections, I will do it.
:Sign your posts, please, with four tildes (~), and I have readded the endings. --Thaddius 19:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted endings? 

message: The plot section looks a bit long, in my humble opinion. Is there anyone else who agrees, or do people feel the work I did earlier was a step in the wrong direction? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: Is there an opinion on this apparent fan site for the game being used as a source, if only for opinions of influences? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's an apparent fan site then it cannot be used as a source. --Thaddius 15:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh well. Do you know if any of it was in the Making of DVD? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 18:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  a source