Talk:Stutthof concentration camp

message: Gerdenau: I have no idea what is the real name of this camp and where it is located. It wasn't mentioned here: List of Martyrology Sites in Poland Cautious 12:34, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: According to the Museum, the September 1939 arrestations were oriented against Polish activists in Danzig. What is your source about the Jews?
Xx236 11:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jews or Polish activists 

message: The link for Werner Hoppe leads to a different Werner Hoppe than the one from Stutthoff camp. Perhaps someone can look into this.
:Thanks, I've changed the link to Werner Hoppe (Stutthof guard), as the Werner Hoppe page is a redirect to members of the Baader-Meinhof gang. The link on this page is now red. Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 18:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  werner hoppe 

message: Günter Grass seems to say in his latest book that Germans from Danzig that got arrested for anti-nazi behaviours (such as listening to British radio, showing "degenerate art" to students, being a socialist, doubting the successes of the German armies...) were sent to Stutthof. Is this correct? If so, the article should note it. David.Monniaux (talk) 20:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This "Answer" spells out perfectly what is terribly wrong with most Wikipedia articles having anything to do with anything vaguely about Poland.  A bunch of brazen, adolescent nationalists have defiled Wikipedia and undermined its credibility with their blatant nationalism and revisionist history.  They do us all a disservice. Udibi (talk) 07:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deportation of non-nazi Germans 

message: Fritz Peters (one of the Stutthof officials who is listed as having been executed in the second trial) currently links to a Frederick Thornton Peters who was a Canadian recipient of the Victoria Cross. Perhaps someone could have a look at this?
(Wandora (talk) 23:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fritz Peters 

message: There is no credible document or policy of the German Government to round up and murder the Polish intelligentsia. This simply a fantasy of Polish nationalists with their "Poland the victim" culture. Anyone, of any description, found to be troublemakers, seditionists, etc were rounded up by the Germans and sent to re-education and work camps. The OTT descriptions in this article are frankly ridiculous. The SOVIETS certainly rounded up the so-called intelligentsia and aristocracy and there is a mountain of evidence on this.2A00:23C4:B63A:1800:857:B9F7:84B4:42E8 (talk) 21:11, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Intelligentsia

message: Where is the Polish version of this article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.56.98 (talk) 03:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: See the interwiki on the left in the article mode. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:20, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Polish version 

message: User:Buidhe, can you explain re  why you decided to remove the section instead of removing individual problematic sources or tagging them with ? I am confused why this book (Denying History) by Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman is deemed unreliable, or Alexander Werth's Russia at War, or the Auschwitz museum page ()? The section can use improvement, but I don't think it merits a WP:TNT-like approach. The only questionable source I see is this news piece - but it merits only being tagged or replaced with a citation needed template. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:20, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Shermer and Grobman are fine, but I don't think that sources from 50 years ago can be counted as generally reliable, given that not all of that historiography has stood the test of time, and the Auschwitz museum is just quoting PAP which does not meet POLANDRS. Please find some peer-reviewed, scholarly sources for these claims. (t · c) buidhe 02:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

text: According to a paper in German Studies Review the soap claims are mostly "a popular Polish anti-German stereotype" () and were at most a misdemeanor, not a crime. WP:DUE should also be considered. (t · c) buidhe 02:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Having looked into some sources (I am not finished) I concur this section needs a rewrite, with better sources like the one I added and you cite above, and others. But the incident is notable and the section should remain, albeit again, it may need further rewriting. There's also an article about Soap made from human corpses we should look at too. Please feel free to rewrite the section and improve the sources. PS. I am concerned whether Stołyhwo's research was ever published in any peer-reviewed outlet? It is mentioned by Drobnicki at  but I can't even see it was cited much. PPS. I am also looking for official statements by IPN. There's one from 2004 here: , but in 2006 there are only media statements, here's one reprinted on IPN pages: . In 2010 IPN scholars published a book on this: ///. Some further reading: /. Overall I think the conclusion is that there was no mass production (scholars clearly conclude it was a myth), and it's possibly but not possible to fully prove there was small-scale production (experimental/for lab purposes).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:52, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

text: In terms of Stutthof itself the soap allegations are pretty minor footnote and should not be exaggerated.  For example, it isn't mentioned at all in the Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos entry on Stutthof. (t · c) buidhe 03:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet another example of how incomplete that Encyclopedia is. That said, I do agree this should not be exaggerated. Ping User:MyMoloboaccount - please join the discussion here. Also, Molobo, can you pretty please learn how to format references using cite templates? You have been here for a decade+, using this tool is pretty easy, just paste Google Book link there and copy the generated code. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Err, actually, according to our policy, WP:TERTIARY sources should be used to determine due weight. But you might as well look at overviews of Stutthof to see how much weight it is given there. Or perhaps the right question to ask is that, in light of the fact that more than 60,000 people perished, how much weight to give to the possible fate of a handful of them is. Furthermore, since this aspect is greatly exaggerated by postwar accounts, then it should perhaps be covered in a section dealing with postwar memorialization. (t · c) buidhe 08:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

text: The problem is that IPN's conclusion from 2006 does not seem to have been peer reviewed - can you find anything better than media reports on the press conference? See links above. I think the best source is the 2010 book by Monika Tomkiewicz and Piotr Semków and they don't seem to support anything about soap production beyond some experiments, and they also don't support claims that Spanner was much involved in this. I am still reading sources and it will take me days (there are also some newer academic works). But what I have read so far does suggest that some older claims about 'factory' and such are likely an unsubstantiated myth. Even IPN talked about this being a small scale process. PS. Thank you for finding and sharing the chapter by Shallcross, it seems relevant. It may take me few days to read all the sources listed here, and likely, more exists. Shame the 2010 book is unlikely to be available online :( --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:38, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

text: I think the best source is the 2010 book by Monika Tomkiewicz and Piotr Semków
I can have the book within 1-2 weeks, provided it is an accepted to be acceptable source to use here.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 04:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

text: I think it is. User:Buidhe, would you care to comment on its reliability, for future use? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have an opinion on that question, but I do think that adding a bunch of information from this book is likely to be WP:UNDUE (see above). (t · c) buidhe 10:30, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Only a summary should be here, this topic has a stand-alone article at Soap made from human corpses. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:37, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

text: sing this tool is pretty easy, If you consider this easy, I can't fathom what you consider hard.The screen immediately caused me a headache.Unfortunately not all of us are IT developers and can code.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 04:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Paste, click generate,copy paste code into wiki, it's literally few seconds. Sure, it may take a minute to use at first. You can also just use automatic citation generation in Visual Editor, but it doesn't seem to pick up pages from Google Books, so I prefer the reftag tool, it literally takes 5 seconds to generate a useful book cite with it that's well formatted and has the pageview url. Trust me, it is worth learning how to use it, and it won't take you more than few minutes at most to do so. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:40, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Soap production from the bodies of victims

message: 40% of all prisoners who were in Stutthof concentration camp where Poles. It should be clearly stated in this article. 49.190.240.166 (talk) 07:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poles