Talk:Sailor Moon (English adaptations)/Archive 1

message: I'm just curious - how, exactly, did DIC fall into breach of contract?  I like to think I'm fairly knowledgeable on this subject, but this is something that I honestly don't recall. --TheKid965 17:33, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curious 

message: Does anyone have a source for Toei not allowing ADV to have the license for #67?
We have to be careful about this because ADV sometimes makes vague statements that are easy to interpret in ways that aren't necessarily correct.  For instance, when ADV claimed they used the materials they were sent, this was widely taken by fans to mean that they *tried and failed* to get better materials.  Yet it doesn't say that at all.
Unless someone comes up with a quote which *states* that Toei refused to license #67 to ADV, I'm going to delete that line. Ken Arromdee 03:08, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's Episode #67-J.  The episode that I know with the number 67 is actually "Rubeus Strikes Out" in the English-language adaptation, or episode #67-C.  Please disambiguate next time.  Denelson83  04:16, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

text: There is a TON of info on the Wiki page for Toei concerning it, under the controversy section. There's a whole paragraph that is there that gives a LOT of info that isn't on this page (that should be). -Darkpower 08:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That shouldn't be on the Toei page either, for the same reason: it's just a rumor.  There's no reference; nobody really has any idea where the information comes from or whether it's true.  That section of the Toei page actually has a tag about a problem with not citing sources or references. Ken Arromdee 15:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode 67 

message: This article seems extremely bias. I understand the bad that occured with this series, but nothing, unlike its Japanese counterpart, is stated about the content unless its criticising it. If I knew enough about the later episodes (while they aired in Canada n YTV, it was erratic), I would do it myself. This article deserves some content about the characters, plot and setting as is; not comparing it to the Japanese version at every turn. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zero X Marquis (talk • contribs) .
It's a very interesting thought. It says Toei isn't going to put Stars or PGSM up for US rights, but says nothing about the dispute them and Naoko have over the copyrights. This really seems strange, and I think that should be added to this so people at least know something is going on that they should know. 08:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's alot of people saying different things. That Naoko herself decided to stop the US from getting the rights because she didn't like how the US handled it (which I doubt VERY highly, because if that were true, then she would've stopped us from getting it YEARS ago), that Toei is stopping the US from getting the rights for unknown reasons, that FOX has the rights for that movie that the rumors are going on and on about which I STILL don't know if it's true or not (though the more I hear about it, the more I think there could be some truth behind it, sorry to say. No one has substancial proof to disprove anything, and everyone that is said to be responsible for the project are VERY hush-hush about it), that they want to wait for the craze on the Japanese box sets to die down, the thing on the Wiki page that you're concerned about, etc. No one has made it clear WHAT is the truth (no one has proof to make ANYTHING true). - Darkpower 09:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, but I wanted to add something to what I just said: I may be able to say this with all seriousness, that I may predict by this time next year, as it stands right now, we'll be hearing a HELL of a lot about a SM movie. Also, you should remove the stuff about Toei refusing rights, because it's actually unclear what moves they are doing, especially now. - Darkpower 10:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content 

message: See Talk:Sailor Moon/Archive 1#What is #2's actual surname? --  Denelson83  03:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: What about the episode of Sailor Moon S that CN skipped.  It was the one where Hotaru is revealed to be Sailor Saturn. It was later aired except CN had added a bikini top to the monster just like the ones they used in Tenchi Muyo --Sketchee 18:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CN Skipped episode 

message: Could we have a list of all the English themes used?
Also, the English theme song copies from the Japanese...does it say that anywhere? 69.192.62.63 16:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The English dub used only one theme track through its entire run. --  Denelson83  19:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, that's right. Haven't seen it in 4 years so... I notcied though, that the theme is similar to the Japanese version... 69.192.62.63 19:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was intentional, BTW. --  Denelson83  20:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Themes? 

message: Do you think we should add info here about the English release of the manga? There is something about that on the main Sailor Moon page, but I think it would be more fitting here. This article's supposed to be about the English release in general, not just the anime, I think :)--Hanachan01 14:33, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi; I moved your comment to the bottom to keep things organized. ^^ And I agree; that doesn't belong on the main page nearly so much as it belongs here. --Masamage 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! --Masamage 17:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga version 

message: I made a note on the main page, but just in case, I'm going to ask here as well. Should the failed US live-action movie with Geena Davis and the praised/vilified SOS (Save our Sailors) be added to the english versions page? I argue that it should be added since the US live action is valid info. I also argue for the addition of the SOS, since it's still debated to this day whether or not the SOS had an impact on the release of additional episodes. Also, there are many bits of false information that was circulated by the group, such as Uranus being male in a past life (which was debunked whole heartedly by Naoko Takeuchi), or that Haruka & Michuru were just "really close friends". This website lists several actions taken by the SOS, that many claim were detrimental to more episodes being released. Love them or hate them, I believe that the group should be mentioned, since they had a huge impact on the SM fangroup. Tokyogirl79 21:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replied at Talk:Sailor Moon. --Masamage 22:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added materials? 

message: The earliest dub of Sailor Moon is the French version, according to Wikimoon - should we mention this (briefly!) here, or in the main SM page?-Malkinann 03:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. Probably the reception section of the main article, I'd say. (The series' popularity in other countries had a lot to do with its coming to North America.) --Masamage 03:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earliest dub is the French 

message: There might be some info missing in the 'home video' section. I was positive that the whole series had been released on VHS before all those DVDs came out. --Masamage 03:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick Amazon search proves you right - ADV did the first two series, dubbed only, for VHS, and Geneon did the latter two and the movies, with dubbed and uncut subs.  It's been corrected. Rebochan 19:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although Pioneer released all the episodes of Sailor Moon S and SuperS on DVD, most of the dubbed "Super S" was missing from the VHS release. As I have all the VHS that was released from Pioneer, I have noticed that all the Nehelenia episodes were not released and a few in between episodes were missing. Fighter4luv 07:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VHS 

message: I don't see why the "Future Development" section includes speculation on the final season's content.  There has been no commentary from anyone involved with dub production on the show being difficult to dub, only that it was not put up for license.  Regardless of the final season's content, it is inappropriate to state that nudity or transgender themes are holding it back when dubs of previous seasons skirted those issues without any production problems, and other international dubs censored Stars without running into protest.  All that is known is that the license has expired, Toei has not put it back up for license along with the rest of the series, and there has been no reasons given as to why, unless other reasons can be given using credible sources. Rebochan 19:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Toei has begun working with the North American stuff again. They licensed another season of Digimon to Toon Disney. But Geneon is also interested in the license that Toei has on "lockdown" should it change.Gamloverks 12:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? Cool, is there an article about this somewhere? --Masamage ♫ 19:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

text: As far as I can tell, this is the latest article. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2007-08-03/toei-animation's-digimon-data-squad-to-debut-this-fall-on-toon-disney's-jetix-block69.136.181.249 23:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Stars 

message: This section also needs a little more sourcing.  The only source given does not sync up to the information in the paragraph.  A google on "Jupiter" and "Ungela Brockman" doesn't bring up anything except a blog and more articles copying this one, so there needs to be a source for that statement.  Further, the Anime Fringe article only states that Jupiter was not the girl in the wheelchair, not that Sailor Mercury was.  That too needs a source.  Otherwise, these should both be taken out to prevent further misinformation from spreading. Rebochan 19:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Saban Moon" 

message: I've found these articles, but I'm unsure of how to work them in. -Malkinann 23:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  articles 

message: should we mention because of the plot changes there are very big mistakes in dub counnouty (like the umbralla thing that was cut but she still remembers it and who the hell the negaforce is) ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 15:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that in a brief and general sense, that could certainly merit a mention. I'll see if I can find a good spot for it. --Masamage 19:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: In the English Adaptation after Queen Beryl is gone, It seems that the term "Negaverse" is more or less used to refer to an area of the Universe that is home to anyone who is evil or who had obtained "Negaverse" powers. I recall Catzi saying she comes from the "Dark Moon of the Negaverse" which states that it's a Negaverse counterpart to our Moon. Also Bertie calls out "Powers of the Negaverse" when using her full power. Later the Black Moon is just called the "Negamoon Family", but still seem to draw their power from the "Negaverse". They were just so desperate to connect the villains... but it fails since the Negamoon Family come from their own planet. Fighter4luv 09:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: I've changed the shot of the deleted death scene from Sailor Mercury to Sailor Venus. I did this because the former picture didn't make it clear why the episode would have been quite so shocking; Mercury just lies there sort of peacefully. The Sailor Venus picture is comparatively violent, and it's easier to understand why DiC would have thought it might be upsetting. --Masamage 21:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Refresh. X) --Masamage 19:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think that's the concern so much as little kids bursting into hysterical tears when their favorite characters are brutally murdered. Remember, DiC's target audience was sufficiently young that the line between fantasy and reality could still be expected to be slightly blurry. --Masamage 01:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  *sobs* Darien!!! So very sad when Darien dies. Watching the Japanese version though got me heaps more emotional. The feeling in the voices of the Japanese cast is just so extreme and it makes you feel what they are feeling. Plus, you see the huge shard of rock stab Endymion right in the back... ouchies! I can understand why that shot was deleted :P we shouldn't hate DIC though... they kept the show innocent for younger viewers... hehe.... characters don't bleed... hehe... in all seriousness though it was up to the laws of children's television to what could/couldn't be shown. Fighter4luv 10:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I never really felt the English Sailor Moon.  It was full of Valspeak and cheesy songs (though I admit to liking a couple of them).  I also HATE the soundtrack, though some people prefer it to the Japanese version (one person I know called it "disco fever").  As Serena might say, whatevs. JuJube 10:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always felt that people who preferred the five tracks of dub music over the lush and varied Japanese soundtrack should probably stop watching the show because they're not getting it.  The dub probably had a new soundtrack to avoid paying for licensing the Japanese music anyway as opposed to "improving" it's quality. Though that's just speculation on my part. Rebochan 18:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, let's not get into a Sailor Moon slang-fest. That's what a part of my Sailor Moon site if for. The sub heading will be "Slang of the Day", and I will be mentioning all the horrible slang used in each episode... It will be "the bomb" as Raye would put it. Fighter4luv 13:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: as serena would say thats phat-sorry ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 15:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death pic 

message: Does anyone know of any websites that have any detailed information about these atrocities? I was thinking we should probably talk about them, but I'm sure not buying any. X) --Masamage ♫ 20:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer my own question, here's and armful to start:     . I haven't done any in-depth reading, but. --Masamage ♫ 20:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Genvid has a review of Mercury Rising . Also Lianne Sentar who was the writer of all but one of these (the first was by Stu Levy) used to have a website which is down... an (I think) older version of it is available here. --GracieLizzie 22:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Anything dub related, I most likely have it. That's why I'm such a brain when it comes to the dub. Although I did not buy the manga styles novels by Mixx because they were a waste of money! ~ Fighter4luv 08:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sooo...you have the chapter books? --Masamage ♫ 17:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I have one that is just a re-telling of the first episode of Sailor Moon R. More or less a dumbed down version for young children. ~ Fighter4luv 11:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: they dumbed down DiC wow i dint think thats possible ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 16:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  I hope no ones going to be angry but I saw it at this si-fi/anime convention for a £5 but I allmost vomted reading the slang inside and I didnt want to waist a fiver and the stupid guy wouldnt go any lower so I didnt buy it ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 15:52, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chapter books 

message: I had always thought that the section about Sailor Moon airing on the ABC first in late 1995 was a bit off, because I only remember the series only airing on channel 7 for the first time in Australia in Feb of 1996 (I used to watch the ABC and never saw it). I took it upon myself to contact the ABC and ask them about it, and I finally just received a reply (after a month or so) and they explained to me that they have no records of the show airing on their station during the 1990s at all! This seems to me that it was never shown on the ABC and channel 7's "agro's cartoon connection" was the first time Sailor Moon was aired (in AUS), which matches what Toei write on the Sailormoon channel website. "February 1996* Even in Australia and New Zealand the animation of 'pretty soldier sailor moon' starts televising." -- direct translated quote from here  I have just also contacted Seven about this as well and we'll see what they have to say about it. ~ Fighter4luv 09:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it actually was on ABC. I have spoken to people who remember seeing it there, I saw it there myself. There is discussion about it appearing on ABC at  & . We can't all have imagined it, and in that sense, I am reinstating the text about ABC with these links as references.Celebrity-Benji 10:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, thanks. --Masamage ♫ 17:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Moon in Australia 

message: Dark spikey 15:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I replied to you on the other talk page. There was consensus among multiple editors at WT:SM. --Masamage ♫ 17:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor says 

message: They're currently looking into redoing it. (Check Genvid: www.genvid.com) shouldn't we add this as part of the Manga? I mean it's official that they're trying to do it.Gamloverks 12:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should go in the future development section; both the anime and manga rights are being sought after, but Toei is maintaining its lockdown. SM Uncensored has some great info about it. --Masamage ♫ 21:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks heaps for the information you provided - next time can you please add links as well?  It makes things a bit easier to cite our sources.  (Especially as Genvid crashes my browser. :( ) -Malkinann 10:53, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd be wary of this because of what I know of Tokyopop. TP is known for hiring people for such events who don't work for the company. Unless it comes from Stuart Levy, CEO's mouth directly I don't believe it. I could tell why, but since wikipedia is not a forum, it's best not to air it here. (I did work for the company...) TP is known for saying these things frequently and not following up on it... and I know why on that too.--Hitsuji Kinno 02:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tokyopop 

message: Okay, these recent edits are absurd. Sailor Moon is one of the only shows that has so many fans with so much knowledge about the series who have not actually seen the majority of the episodes. This isn't as true as it was before S and SuperS were released, but it's still a big deal, and a big part of its production history, and illegal fansubbing has everything to do with that history. Removal of these facts is revisionist and meaningless. --Masamage ♫ 04:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History in the US 

message: Toei did a poll on which series people wanted to see video on demand, Digimon, Sailor Moon, Magical Do Re Mi, and numerous others were part of the poll. Get this: with 2535 out of 3979, Sailor Moon won! With Digimon getting a distant second. Shouldn't this also be added under future development should Toei do something with the Sailor Moon series? I added it, but does anyone disagree with me?Gamloverks 12:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent find! That is definitely worth noting. I shifted the paragraph down and formalized it some, but yeah, that's great. Thank you. :) --Masamage ♫ 23:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder how Genvid got the numbers?  Looking at the public poll results only shows a very long bar, not the number of votes counted. -Malkinann 02:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wondered that too, but just mouse over the bar. --Masamage ♫ 02:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, just move your mouse over the bar for that show and it'll display it. I'll keep looking for stuff. I really like the show and I'm trying to you guys some great information to use.Gamloverks 19:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also something of note of the poll is that included all five seasons, not just the four that were dubbed, but the one that wasn't dubbed as well.Gamloverks 12:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toei Poll 

message: Pioneer is now Geneon, and then Geneon was bought by ADV. (I'm not sure if this is public yet... so don't kill me if it isn't). 'cause I know some people who work in that industry... so anyway, this means that ADV now owns all of SM's licenses, if I remember right... such a shame since Pioneer definitely was the best of the lot for the times. I'm not sure if that's worth noting, but I thought making a note of it here would be good enough until it becomes pertinent.--Hitsuji Kinno 02:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa now, Geneon wasn't bought out by ADV. ADV will handle distribution, marketing, and sales of Geneon's bank of anime. Geneon will still be able to acquire, license, and produce anime in North America, but ADV will take care of everything else. This isn't in effect until October 1st.Gamloverks 22:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh... but the American Geneon was disbanded... *shrugs* At least that's what I heard. --;; At least I know that a few people have been laid off because of the switch... and I heard the term "gutted" out.--Hitsuji Kinno 22:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what they're planning right now, they're kind of throwing me off... Gamloverks (talk) 15:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geneon bought by ADV 

message: As we all know, Toei used the poll to see what people wanted to see. Well, they've got it up and running in Japan at the moment.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-09-05/toei-strikes-deal-with-nec
As far as I can see this looks promising, hope it comes to the US, but at a lower cost of course. Someone also clean up my post, because I suck at posting this news. Gamloverks 04:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something Good 

message: I think it can safely be removed or replaced with something like "needs more references" tag instead of this aarticle has no references tag... it has quite a few throughout, but the article itself is not up to caliber... Thoughts?--Hitsuji Kinno 22:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely agree; Shitennou (Sailor Moon) could do with the same treatment. I don't remember what the name of that tag is, though. --Masamage ♫ 00:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The one in the end was part of some news post, I can't remember who though, I'll go look that information up. It's at the bottom of the page under Toei Poll. Gamloverks (talk) 15:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of References Tag 

message: Should we mention that Cartoon network Skiped an episode of S without telling veiwers, just so they could do some of their own edits? Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 19:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends. Was it a big deal? --Masamage ♫ 20:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which Episode was it?68.73.146.92 21:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a bit of a big deal. It's the episode where they find out that Hotaru is Sailor Saturn. The monster of the day in the episode appeared topless and cartoon network digitally added a bikini top when the episode aired in the second run of the show. Similar to the bikini tops added to the earlier Tenchi Muyo broadcast --Sketchee (talk) 08:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, interesting. Is there an outside source anywhere that talks about this? SM Uncensored, maybe? --Masamage ♫ 19:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: That episode is #125, "Darkness My Old Friend". --  Denelson83  21:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alas, SMU doesn't mention anything about this. Who does? --Masamage ♫ 22:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cartoon Network 

message: That image I am trying to remove is not of an English adaptation of Sailor Moon.  Granted, it has English subtitles, but that is technically just a translation, not an adaptation. --  Denelson83  04:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't an 'adaptation' when you change something? It has English subtitles, English episode menus, English-altered character names, and English pamphlet-inserts. The Japanese script, titles, names, and so on were adapted into English. --Masamage ♫ 05:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but not the core video and audio of the show.  Were the episode menus a core part of the show as originally transmitted in Japan?  Were the English pamphlet-inserts part of the core audiovisual presentation?  Obviously that's a no on both counts.  And subtitling is simply inserting small text onto the video without doing any major scene editing. --  Denelson83  07:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Adaptation means to suit something to a different environment, in this case the English audience. The image in question uses English subs true, but originally there were no Jap subs either. I think one image is fine anyway, it also reduces the chance of infringing copyrighted material. I say the only DVD image allowed would be the one having the Sailor Moon english title, not the Bishoujo Senshi one. --Hanaichi 12:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boxset image 

message: http://www.genvid.com/News/Vote-Sailor-Moon.html here is the link that verfies from Genvid that all fives seasons were included, but I'll leave it up to you guys whether or not it's a reliable source. Gamloverks (talk) 15:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toei Poll-Sailor Moon All Seasons 

message: Should we state somewhere in the article that people generally have downloaded english/japanese (w/subtitles) from miscellaneous sites? or is this irrelevant? Gamloverks (talk) 15:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean, should we expand on what "alternative means" implies? I'm not sure. Probably we should at least mention the very popular Stars bootleg that sells on Amazon, though. I know that's in one of our other articles... --Masamage ♫ 17:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean how you can go to miscellaneous websites and pick up these episodes since they no longer air on TV. I can verify and provide several instances of where websites have put these episodes up. Gamloverks (talk) 15:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is, we can't actually link to those websites, according to this policy, because then we would actually be contributing to their copyright infringement. :/ So that makes it really hard to source, even though it's obviously true. Maybe we can just say that people do provide illegal downloads, link to the Wikipedia article that discusses that, and call it good? --Masamage ♫ 16:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm sure that would work. Gamloverks (talk) 17:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: It should not be discussed or put in any article at all. Doing so violates the very spirit of WP:COPYVIO just as linking violates the letter. We do not discuss fansubs in any anime article, nor bootlegs. If people are interested in obtaining illegal copies, they will find them on their own. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What's all this "we do not" stuff? Is it considered totally unimportant to the history of a series' release? (What about the fact that supposedly-reputable sites are selling this stuff? Is that only important if there's a lawsuit over it?) --Masamage ♫ 16:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We as in the project and as in Wikipedia as a whole. Bootleg and fansub releases are completely unimportant the history of a series unless they have received significant coverage in reliable sources. We all know you can go to Amazon.com's Marketplace, eBay, etc to find illegal bootlegs. Unless its covered in a reliable source, however, it does not belong in a Wikipedia article. Remember, the goal of Wikipedia is not truth (i.e., not just because we "know" it), but verifiable information from reliable sources. AnmaFinotera (talk) 17:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

text: SM fandom is briefly used as an example in this paper, but IIRC, that talks about fansubbing as a whole, so it's kind of blink-and-you'll-miss-it.  It cites the fansite Sailor Moon Uncensored about the ethics of fansubbing (the page they cited from SM Uncensored talked about the VKLL fansubs). Most of the academic papers were written in the days where everyone was convinced that SM was taking everything by storm (so, no need for illegal distribution), and the current situation (of everything being out of print) was probably unthinkable.-Malkinann (talk) 20:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Means? 

message: http://www.moonkitty.net/ is reporting that ToonAttik is airing the show on it's Sat1 morning block at 7:05a.m. so the show is airing again. That's good news ^_^ Gamloverks (talk) 10:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Genvid is now reporting this is false, so I don't know anymore. Gamloverks (talk) 16:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is that report? --Masamage ♫ 00:29, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Look under the history of news for Genvid's site. I can't access at this moment because of my school's blocking policy, so unless you don't feel like waiting, I can post the link later in the afternoon. Gamloverks (talk) 14:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: http://moon-chase.blogspot.com/2008/04/more-definite-proof-sailor-moon-is-not.html this is the link Moon Chase provided. http://www.genvid.com/News/UK-Rumor-Squashed.html for the genvid link. The video was immediately taken down. Gamloverks (talk) 21:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  They're back! 

message: I stumbled across this. http://www.animenation.net/news/index.php?id=11799 It looks like FUNimation is interested in Sailor Moon too. Here is the other one for a closer to today date. http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/12043.html Gamloverks (talk) 10:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite. Funimation is interested in Geneon licenses, but since Geneon didn't own the Sailor Moon license anymore when it shut down, to acquire it Funimation would have to deal with Toei. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that they would have to go through Toei would probably be a problem yes, but the fact that companies like FUNimation is still interested in the series is a plus. Gamloverks (talk) 14:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting, no? 

message: This article is obviously notable based on being a subpage of the Sailor Moon main article. WP:MOS-AM states "Articles should be self-contained, only referring to subpages for additional information or details if the main article or a section becomes too long." Well, that's certainly true for the English-adaptation section.
And can we have that section at all? Yes, under Production, after "Topics that can reasonably be included" we find "issues arising from the transition from...one language to another (such as alterations to storylines, international voice actors, air dates or dates of publication)." --Masamage ♫ 16:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And that proves my point from our earlier discussion. This is not a notable topic nor an appropriate subpage at all. Clear out the OR, personal opinion, unreferenced statements, complaints, excessive details and unnecessary examples, and it would fit fine in the main article in a single paragraph, two at the most. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: The dubs for the three Sailor Moon movies were commissioned by Pioneer Entertainment, not Cloverway like the article says (In fact, I think the movie dubs were produced before Cloverway was even involved, though I'm not 100% sure on that).  Likewise, the DVDs for S and SuperS were released by Pioneer, who licensed the series from Cloverway, but the article makes it sound as though Cloverway released the DVDs themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.183.36 (talk • contribs) 
:That's true, now that you mention. I have a video tape of the Pioneer-released SuperS movie from way before Cloverway was around. I'm less clear about the DVD releases for the actual series, because I don't own any, but that sounds reasonable. Thoughts from those who do own the box sets? --Masamage ♫ 17:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The movie DVDs are labeled as being from Geneon Pioneer. In the credits, it says the English version was produced by Geneon Entertainment. There is no mention at all of Cloverway anywhere. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

text: In the end credits of all 3 films (edited), it stats "Special Thanks to: Cloverway Inc." ~ Fighter4luv (talk) 14:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differentiating between Cloverway and Pioneer Entertainment (Geneon) 

message: Would it be awkward to put the information in here into the articles it relates to? For example, the manga section would go with the manga. The anime with the anime. Considering the new structures of those articles it would be posible and get around some of the problems presented on this page. Yes, yes, I know... not until later, but considering that the sections themselves are pretty short and self-contained, it's not that much of a stretch. Pluses wold include visibility for these parts, and also the transfering could clean up said parts. Is there a reason why it needs to be separated from the articles proper?--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 20:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean merge this back to the main article? Yes, I also believe it should be done for proper, neutral coverage. Its only separated because people felt the need to rant at length and detail every minor change in every adaptation, so they split it out from the main article for "size" issues rather than just cleaning it all up. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sailor Moon (English adaptations) to see all the various "keep this" arguments. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The release history is much more incredibly long than the alterations section. I guess we need to ask ourselves, is all that information necessary or not? I'm unable to judge because I personally find this kind of thing boring as heck o_O no matter how it's covered. And I don't know what's standard for these sorts of sectoins. --Masamage ♫ 22:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is excessively detailed, and takes way two paragraphs to say something that should only take like two sentences. There is no real standard as English adaptations are not supposed to be separate sections. English releases are supposed to be covered in the various sections for the media, usually taking only one paragraph. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. Are there any Reliable Sources that go into this much detail about the release history? If so, it would be really nice to provide a reference to that and just summarize. That way people can have more info if they want it, but it doesn't have to be waded through in the meantime. --Masamage ♫ 03:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The dub's release history isn't anywhere else, even in its much-needed abbreviated form, so we need some good sources for it. I would also like to have some coverage of the alterations, again with a better source then ourselves, and again note quite as much. And we don't need to nominate it for deletion; it should just be redirected to the main article. --Masamage ♫ 16:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

message: Several images from this article are up for deletion here. Personally, I only care about the fate of one of them, but take a look and see which ones you think we need. --Masamage ♫ 18:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The deletion reasons for all four seems valid to me. None are being used in an appropriate FUR fashion, in large part due to the way the articles are arranged. While I dislike losing them, when the pages are cleaned up and reorganized properly, then one or two may be able to come back (anime and DVD cover shots). I do question to lack of notice here by the bot? Aren't they supposed to be leave a notice on the articles where the images are in use? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like they were nominated by Betacommand, not his bot. At least that's how it's signed. Anyway, yeah, notice would've been nice. --Masamage ♫ 18:53, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left a note at Wikipedia talk:Images and media for deletion#"Due Notice" asking why notification's being left on article talk page isn't required. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that Betacommand is under some sort of a sanction? (see his bot's user page). I gather that the usual procedure at IFD involves putting a notice visible on the actual pages that the image is being used on.   says place a note on the Image: page, notify the uploader on their user talk, add "this file will be deleted" notices to all pages using the image, and then make an entry at IFD.-Malkinann (talk) 11:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, they blocked the bot? Man I've missed some wikidrama lately. I guess I see their point, but with him not alloewd to use any automated tools, I guess that's why notices aren't being left on teh article pages. *sigh* -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images for deletion 

message: http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=video&v=5797  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.236.154 (talk) 15:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's no good as I can't see the page. It may be that it's US only. Could somebody else verify? ggctuk (2005) (talk) 17:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  sailor moon redub coming soon 

message: or sufficiently notable to warrant a mention...? -Malkinann (talk) 01:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? I see nothing in there about SOS, or even Sailor Moon at all? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Page three, third column, as an example of fan activism to get a show back on the air.-Malkinann (talk) 01:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Weird I could find Sailor when I searched. I wouldn't say that made it notable enough for any sort of mention, though, except as very short line noting that fans campaigned, unsuccessfully, for the series to remain on the air. It doesn't make the group itself very notable as that isn't significant coverage.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair enough, but Napier also mentions that the campaign may also have inspired other, broader, anime fan campaigns, so that should go in there too (of course, as "Susan J. Napier believes that the Sailor Moon campaign may have inspired other anime fan campaigns").  (Is it wrong that I feel happy that she didn't mention the PopTarts campaign, though?) -Malkinann (talk) 02:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems fine. I wish she'd mentioned Tokyo Mew Mew :P -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Sounds like it warrants a mention to me. Nice find. And I totally wish it mentioned the Pop Tarts. XD --Masamage ♫ 02:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Um, NO they didn't. It's pretty well known that SOS did NOT get any producers to dub more episodes. The infamous "PopTart Procott" did not encourage any producers to make more episodes- those were already dubbed & if anything, the SOS actually hurt many of the more serious campaigns out there. It's pretty wide knowledge out on the internet. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 16:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SOS is notable? 

message: The name of the company that distributed the Sailor Moon on VHS in Australia was "Network Entertainment", who no longer exist. As far as I know, they only released 5 Tapes and got up to episode 15. Well, that's all that was available to retailers anyway. 1997 is the correct year of their release.
According to MVM's official database, 24 episodes on VHS were released, and the whole of season 1 & 2 on DVD (all ranging between the year 2001-2004). There was also a special season one box set, but no such thing was released for season 2. ~ Fighter4luv (talk) 12:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: DiC doesn't exist either. ^_^ There is a Sailor Moon distribution curse I think for all the companies that screwed up the dub. Pioneer, tanked. Geneon, tanked. DiC, tanked. Tokyopop... they may have escaped since they changed their name and got a blessing from the creator. Optimum, I believe they tanked. Haha. That leaves ADV, but they didn't include dubs... ^.~ Funny... For all the bad dubs, I cannot forgive you. My name is Sailor Moon... In the name of the Moon I shall punish you... but yes, we shall note this when we split this page someday and dissolve it.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 16:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I noticed they were now part of Cookie Jar. Poor DiC. ~ Fighter4luv (talk) 04:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia and United Kingdom 

message: Sailor Stars is gonna be dubbed!Hotaru 19:12, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SailorSaters