Talk:Neighbours/Archive 1

message: On a similar note to the Gay characters discussion, Neighbours has had several Jewish actors, and a few characters whose names and appearances make them possibly Jewish, but has any character ever been identified as such? --MartinUK 18:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish characters

message: Hi, I'm trying to compile a complete list of all the characters that have ever been in Neighbours (ambitious, I know). If anyone can help, please add to the list. For now, it's on the main page, but we could migrate it to a separate page once it gets too unwieldy. Also, if anyone has any ideas on how best to order the list (surname, forename, relationship, appearance, etc) please suggest below. Cheers --Dunk 21:32, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: List of characters

message: Actor Alan Dale who had previously starred in The Young Doctors, played the central character of Jim Robinson for the show's first seven years and is now a recognisable star in US series such as 24, The O.C. and NCIS.
Actor Alan Dale is no longer part of 'The O.C.' and should be removed, or clarfied.
Fabiodrn 13:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alan Dale

message: I'm unconfortable with many of these in terms of NPOV:<BR>
1. Harold Bishop - "slightly naïve, often comic relief"<BR>
2. David Bishop - "A dull individual, often too proud to ask for help."<BR>
3. Sky Mangel - "Harold's rebellious teenage"<BR>
4. Summer Hoyland - "precocious daughter of Max"<BR>
5. Louis Carpenter - "chalk-and-cheese friendship with Harold Bishop"<BR>
6. Connor O'Neill - "slightly naïve"<BR>
7. Svetlanka Ristic - "Very evil lady, who hates David with a passion"<BR>
8. Valda Sheergold - "Over-the-top busybody and comic relief."<BR>
9. Carmella Cammenneti - "Over protected daughter"<BR><BR>
These are all opinions, not facts thus in breach of the NPOV policy of Wikipedia. I would say 3, 4 and 6 are not accurate descriptions of ever-fluxtuating characters now. "chalk-and-cheese", "comic relief", "busybody" among other turns of phrase in these descriptions may not be universally understood and are again opinionated. The importance of enforcing this policy is underlined by the fact that, upon her second appearance, I no longer would agree with "very evil lady" in reference to Svetlanka. I disagreed with the use of the phrase in describing David Bishop and removed it but it was reinstated with the text "reinstate desc of David. Though wikipedia is meant to be NPOV, articles may still include personal descriptions and evaluations of *fictional* characters in a TV series.)" in the note... if this is an official or even unofficial policy of wikipedia, please could someone give other examples/point me in right direction. I disagree with this on the basis that "evaluations" are not going to be universally agreed on. What do others think?
- David Pendray dpen2000 19:12, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the point is that these characters are deliberately written and played in a particular way. Valda is an over-the-top busybody and often comic relief because she's written with those characteristics in mind. We're not describing real people, we're talking about fictional creations who have a role to fulfil, and describing what that role is. That Harold is often a bumbling twit is as much a part of what he does in the programme as the fact that he runs the Coffee Shop. It's no more POV than describing, say, Achilles as a "tragic hero". I agree a few of them need to be altered because they're out of date, and if idioms like "chalk and cheese" cause confusion, then they should be changed for comprehension's sake. But I don't see POV as an issue here.  Bonalaw 09:22, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think most of these descriptions are very accurate, and arn't that biased. However I think 3 and 6 should probably be changed, as Sky hasn't been rebelious until around early 2004, and I don't think Connor really is a naive character. Cyclone49 12:49, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Descriptions 

message: I know there's a spoiler heading on the page, but I'm pretty sure that applies only to episodes that have ALREADY BEEN SCREENED.  I know it's possible to see the coming week's storylines around the place, but can we keep them off the article?  Though I'm glad the whole Karl spoiler that was posted was false, let's try and stop it happening in the future. MrHate 09:54, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
:I agree. I think this article should be written at Australian pace, and the spoiler warning should apply to people from the UK and other countries that get it later than Aus. Otherwise a lot of viewers that don't want to be spoiled, like me, won't be able to edit the article.Cyclone49 09:39, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoilers

message: The notable episodes list either needs to focus more on the actual episodes, giving episode numbers, or be folded into the new seasons section. Oliver Chettle 12:38, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable episodes

message: I've noticed someone keeps changing the 1995 description from:
:1995 is generally seen as one of the worst seasons in Neighbours' history, with many of the fans finding the storylines very dull. That said, the season still had some memorable moments, including Susan Kennedy confessing to Brett Stark that she performed euthanaisia on her mother when she was younger.
To:
:1995 is generally seen as one of the best seasons in Neighbours' history, with many of the fans finding the storylines funny. The season had some memorable moments, including Susan Kennedy confessing to Brett Stark that she performed euthanaisia on her mother when she was younger.
Now, I understand that both these descriptions may seem massively POV, but I was the one who wrote the original description, and I haven't actually seen that season, I was just going by what most people say about it. If you go to any Neighbours forum, about 90% of the members would say it was a horrible season , it got bad ratings and even the script writers say it was bad (apparantly they almost got fired because of that season). Now, you may think it was a great season, you may well be right, I haven't seen the season so I can't judge, but I am just going by the general consesus when I was writing it. I'm reverting it back to the original description for now. Cyclone49 22:41, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, people have not only been changing the 1995 description back, but changing other season descriptions to say whether they were the best or worst seasons. For the time being at least, I think it may be a good idea to remove anything that says whether a season is was good or bad, and leave it completely NPOV. However, since 1995 has acheived almost cult status as being the worst season (even the writers and producers say it was the worst), I would still like to talk about that in the 1995 description. Cyclone49 11:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  1995 

message: While I think this table is a good idea, I think it would probably be more useful if it was based on the Australian cast, since the rest of the article is as well. Cyclone49 04:20, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This would of course pre-empt viewing in the UK and other countries. It is, however, within the 'spoiler' warning. It would be silly to have multiple tables, but it seems to be a choice between spoiling for some and being less useful for others. --Ross UK 00:27, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but it is an Australian show. The Law and Order article, for example, is at American pace, not Australian or British pace. I don't really see why there should be one table at UK Pace when the rest of the article is at Australian pace. Cyclone49 01:39, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

text:  Maybe you should re-read.  I am mainly agreeing with you, and saying that separate tables would be a bad idea aesthetically.  The table is not a spolier unless one is viewing the programme from outside Australia, in which case it would be. The shame is that, having inserted the table, I will not be able to view it without spoiling my viewing! --Ross UK 20:14, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, okay, I see what you mean now. I think I'll just leave the table how it is right now, I would probably prefer to see what others think of it before changing it. Cyclone49 01:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for feedback. --Ross UK 00:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hierarchy of Current Characters 

message: i removed this:
Rumours abound in the Southern hemisphere that veteran bronzed comedian and pantomime starlet, Bobby Davro, will be joining the cast in the Spring.
Seems like a joke. Why would people in Southern Hemisphere have a rumour about someone they had never heard of before. According to wikipedia seems this guy is a faded UK comic. Asa01 05:41, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bobby Davro]] joke?

message: Can someone explain what is meant by this "hierarchy of current characters"? As a non-Neighbours viewer I don't know what it's about. - Mark 01:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hierarchy thing 

message: The picture of Natalie Blair (Carmella) does her no favours. Her face isn't as good as her figure, but it's better than it looks here. Rhollenton 11:39, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unflattering photo

message: I have modified "Harold strangles Paul Robinson" as in order to strangle him Paul would have to die. (StudentSteve 04:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet the article on strangling says "Strangling does not have to be fatal; limited or interrupted strangling is practiced in erotic asphyxia". I haven't been able to find this in a reliable source though. BennyFromCrossroads 23:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Harold and Paul

message: Can anyone provide a more up-to-date picture of Susan?? The one we have at the moment is ancient - just look at her long hair!
*I will attempt to do this very soon, along with various other cast memebsr either missing or vaguley outdated. I think it's only fair to have everyone's image on there. I am assuming that many shots existing are taken from episodes directly, if this is the case I can have a selection of screengrabs available within 24 hours. --Tahninial 01:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Susan

message: Would it be possible to maintain a link the aproriate archive version of this artilce that would be up-to-date and spoiler free for UK viewers? Tompw 16:22, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking as a UK viewer, I have to say I think having a seperate UK page is a bit un-encyclopedic. Wikipedia isn't a tv show fan site. - Matthew Humphreys 17:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Possibly... instead of a seperae article, why not just give a link to a previous version of the article? Tompw 23:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a fork and forks are against policy. I will nominate it for deletion. Honbicot 18:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK/Spoilers 

message: I am about to delete from the article history those revisions whose content and/or edit summaries libel Xtra, per Wikipedia's libel policy. Selective deletion requires full deletion followed by selective restoration. Therefore this article will be deleted for a very brief period of time. Snottygobble 05:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Complete. Snottygobble 05:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Selective deletion

message: I know this is a page about Neighbours, but is it really necessary to have character biographies on this page when most of the characters have separate pages?  It would make the page much smaller, and would make for less editing.  Just an idea.  JD 00:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Bios 

message: What's the deal with the statement that Shane Connor tours UK universities "where he reminds the students that he is not a peadophile." (sic) ??????--139.30.17.176 22:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shane Connor "not a peadophile" (sic) 

message: I have replaced the "current characters" section with a cast list. We don't need a "characters" section when each character has their own article. The cast list is also easier to read.
:Isn't that something I suggested, not 3 article headings ago?  Talk:Neighbours#Character Bios  Nonetheless at least it's been done now.  --JDtalkemail 08:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast/characters 

message: I want to start a Neighbours WikiProject; if one already exists then someone PLEASE tell me where...  Anyway, yeah it's an attempt to improve the quality of Neighbours articles.  I just want to know if other people think it's a good idea.  I've already sorta got something on my user space, but it's pretty lame and empty at the moment.  Anyway, so yeah people give me some feedback.  --JDtalkemail 19:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject 

message: Has it actually been confirmed that she will be staying on permanently? If not, she needs to stay under "Recurring cast members", not "Current cast members".Kogsquinge 00:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiona Corke (Gail) 

message: Can anyone shed any light onto where the table whih listed all the characetrs currently in the show in order of first appearance as well as the episode number they first apepard in has gone? I felt this was one of the most useful and interesting parts of the artcile and used to regularly view the article just to see if this table had been updated at all..I've looked at a couple edits and cannot find it nor see why it might have been removed. Evil Eye 18:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to put it back in before, I didn't think it should have gone either.  I found it in a past revision, and put it back in, but it may be outdated, as I just took it from the first revision I found it in.  --JD[don't talk|email] 18:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for finding it again. I'm not sure if it's up to date or not (as I use this site to keep up to date with the cast list. But I'm sure it'll be alterned if it's wrong. Evil Eye 10:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It looks terrible like that; and there's no real point in it being there the way it is at the moment.  Can somebody make a new table with three columns, and have the cast members, year they started, and episode they started, in that; instead of the table that kinda repeats what's there?  --JD[don't talk|email] 11:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The two things are completely different. One is an alphabetical list of actors who are in the show and gives their character names and years they've been on contract. The other is a table showing the order in which the current characters first appeared. It is this order of first appearance, which I believe is the important thing about the table, which makes the two bits separate entities. Evil Eye 12:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, right.   --JD[don't talk|email] 12:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the table to List of Neighbours characters. Kogsquinge 03:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character list in order of first appearance 

message: What's peoples' opinions on spoiler tags, and their usage on this article?  --JD[don't talk|email] 22:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tags 

message: Why is the Manchester University Discussion forum an external link when it seems to have an esoteric user base and not very active? AStaralfur 17:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: Has her departure been confirmed? Where did this information come from? Kogsquinge 04:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Janet Andrewartha 

message: Shouldn't something about the Dolly thing be added to the article?  talk to JD wants e-mail 19:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dolly 

message: No word on the 870 disc box set? --Commking 03:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD?

message: I don't think Home and Away should be in the See also section because although it is another Australian soap, as pointed out by the person that reverted my edit, it is only related to Neighbours in one way, and that's Seven Network.  Apart from that, the link is also eleswhere in the article, and the articles of other soaps (EastEnders and Coronation Street as examples) do not include other soaps produced in the same country in their See also sections.  J Ditalk 21:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Home and Away in See also section