Talk:Voćin massacre

message: I've made a revert. 
International reports from Croatia weren't properly made as they were supposed to be. Untill then, the Croatian fight to defend themselves from Serbo-Montenegrin attack (with the aim of violent changing of borders, and conquest of whole Croatia) was presented more like a peasant rebellion and some "civil war". To make things worse, those media mostly asked and redistributed the information they've got from the Serb-led JNA, as well as the info they got through former Yugoslav diplomacy, mostly run by Serbs and Montenegrins.
However, Croatia survived. Those "rebellion of bunch of rebel scum and foreign mercenaries" wasn't "crushed in 15 days", as it was being told in all Serbian newspapers and magazines, but the Croatia made it in its resistence. Croatia proved to be able to resist and exist.
Vukovar hasn't fell easily, but after three months of bitter fighting. Dubrovnik resisted and made it. Until then, world media redistributed the falsified facts, given by Serb-led JNA. Croatian victims were presented as Serb victims "slaughtered by ustaše". Since then, some other pictures began to appear from Croatia. JNA failed to quickly "solve the case" (as in international diplomatic circles is said: the more quick you do it, the less questions are being asked).
With the liberation of Voćin, a lot of things changed. Rebelled Serbs and JNA were pushed out enough quickly, so the evidences couldn't be removed, damaged or destroyed. Neutral international observes (forensicians) have fully documented and reported the whole case to international media, so stories like "Croats against (by world beloved) Yugoslavia = bad Croats" and "Serbs "pro-(by world beloved) Yugoslavia" = good Serbs" didn't work anymore. Kubura (talk) 08:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign media and Croatia before Voćin 

message: The Vocin massacre is currently included in the above list.  Unfortunately the entry does not meet with our inclusion criteria, which state that multiple reliable sources be cited to demonstrate that the word "massacre" is used as part of an accepted NAME for the event (in other words, that multiple reliable sources name the event the "Vocin Massacre" or some close varient thereof).
At the moment, there is one source (the NY Times article) that discribes the event as being a massacre... but it does not name the event as one.  If sources that fit our inclusion criteria are not provided, we will have to remove the event from the list... and, if possible, we would prefer not to do that.  Since it is likely that those who regularly edit this page will be familiar with the sources, we ask for your assistance in correcting this problem.  Thank you. Blueboar (talk) 12:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Listing at [[List of events named massacres]]

message: According to the following opinion by the ICJ JUDGEMENT RE APPLICATION OF THE CONVENTION ON THE PREVENTION AND PUNISHMENT OF THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE (CROATIA v. SERBIA), page 82, 3 February 2015:"In the opinion of the Court, although the material before it raises grounds for grave suspicions about what occurred at Vocin, Croatia has not produced sufficient evidence to substantiate its claim that Croats were killed by Serb forces in that locality in December 1991."JUDGEMENT RE APPLICATION OF THE CONVENTION ON THE PREVENTION AND PUNISHMENT OF THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE (CROATIA v. SERBIA), page 82, 3 February 2015.
::: I don't understand. If the ICJ cannot confirm "that Croats were killed by Serb forces in that locality in December 1991" then how can this article continue to exist? Please post your opinions here on how to proceed. Thanks. Quis separabit? 22:35, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, that's what I am asking. Let's see what others have to say. Quis separabit? 17:38, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Odd that a brilliant legal team, including lawyers who got the convictions of Ante Gotovina and the other general overturned on appeal, couldn't prove something that had been accepted as fact. Quis separabit? 23:58, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Completely agree with 23editor - absence of proof of not proof of absence.--Tomobe03 (talk) 08:40, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: International Court of Justice ruling re Voćin