Talk:Al-Aqsa Mosque

message: Please add the following passage to section 4.4 Conflicts:
On the morning of 5 April 2023, Israeli forces smashed doors and windows to enter al-Aqsa mosque and deployed stun grenades and rubber bullets once inside. Footage shared on social media showed Israeli officers striking screaming people with batons inside the building. Israeli police said their forces entered the mosque after "hundreds of rioters...barricaded themselves inside." When the police entered, stones were thrown at them and fireworks were fired from inside the mosque. Police arrested more than 350 people in the mosque and at least 12 people were injured during the clash. Later that evening, Israeli forces stormed al-Aqsa again, deployed stun grenades, and ordered Muslim worshippers to leave. Six people were treated for injuries.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/05/middleeast/israel-al-aqsa-mosque-clash-intl-hnk/index.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neoman2026 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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message: : Ibn Batûtah, ca.1347, from Marmardji p244 : "" Zerotalk 13:52, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In his travelogue know as The Rihla, Ibn Batutah wrote He describes the compound as a vast and wonderful mosque (masjid), which is not covered except for the part called al-Masjid al-Aqsa. I checked multiple English and French translations, including the English translation of Gibb here and the French translation of Defrémery and Sanguinetti here, which includes the Arabic text. The Arabic uses "المسجد الأقصى" (al-Masjid al-Aqsa) which is split between pages 121 and 122 in the latter source. In all readings, Ibn Battuta identifies al-Masjid al-Aqsa as a part of the compound and not its whole. Note that Ibn Battuta (like many others) may have partly copied from earlier writers; the details are unknowable. Zerotalk 14:26, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ibn Batutah 

message: The Turkish text of relevant parts of Seyahatnâme (1670s) is here and here. The latter is a modern critical edition which notes that the original manuscript of this volume is lost so the text had to be reconstructed from three manuscripts known to have been copied from the original.  The observation that Çelebi uses "Masjid Aqsa" to refer to the southern building is proved by his frequent use of "Sahratullah’ı ve Mescid-i Aksayı" (the Dome of the Rock and Masjid Aqsa). As for the whole compound, I found "Mesci̇di̇ Aksa avlusu" (Masjid Aqsa court) and "Mescid-i Aksâ‘nın haremi" (Madjid Aqsa haram) but there might be others. Zerotalk 13:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evliya Çelebi 

message: ::Sorry for the delayed response on this. 
::I meant to thank you for providing these. Thank you.
::I need to find the time to look into each one. The only way to be sure is to read the underlying Arabic.
::Onceinawhile (talk) 21:44, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  General remarks 

message: There is something wrong with the description of the mosque's size in section "Architecture". It says 5 ha; that would be 100x500 m but the states length & width are much smaller.  2A02:3030:810:7EB5:6478:226C:C345:7C79 (talk) 07:57, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: To be precise, 5 ha equals 50'000 m2. The stated length & width result in approximately 4000 m2, less than 10%. The Azhar mosque has 15'000 m2 and holds 4 times as many worshippers.  2A02:3030:810:7EB5:6478:226C:C345:7C79 (talk) 08:02, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Right, the stated size is only 0.46 hectares or 1.15 acres.  I used the dimensions in feet given in the source, which is not a great source but is close to what I measured on a map so it can't be far off. I changed it. Zerotalk 14:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  The 2022 PASSIA guide gives slightly smaller dimensions: 80m by 55m. Zerotalk 14:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area 

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 Cbls1911 (talk) 11:57, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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message: Cbls1911 (talk) 11:57, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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thread_title: Conflicts

message: : The current name is confusing for people who have never heard of this place, or heard about it mostly from a non-western perspective. Because, according to most people with strong feelings about a place they call "Al-Aqsa mosque" (those being the people most likely to speak or write about the a place they call Al-Aqsa mosque) this is only part of Al-Aqsa mosque. So if somebody who has no knowledge of this complex hears a news story about "Al-Aqsa mosque", them finding this article will often be telling them about the wrong building. 
: I can add heaps of examples if you don't believe me about common usage?
: The introduction currently does a fairly good job of explaining it, but adding some words like "controversial" or "disputed" could explain to that hypothetical reader why that news story seemed to be about  a completely different building. 
: I think the page probably needs to be moved to avoid confusion, but I only found out this week that some people think "Al-Aqsa mosque" is only this part of it, so I'm still a bit unclear on what a better page title would be.
: Also … if  the other thing is not a mosque what IS it? (and I mean currently use, not in future or in the distant past.) I don't think a prayer hall by itself is a mosque? A mosque is bigger? The prayer hall at my university (an entire converted 3-bedroom house, not small) was never called a "mosque" just a "prayer room", but that distinction could be administrative rather than architectural. 
: Irtapil (talk) 12:30, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  we have been working on fixing this, on and off, for a couple of years now. I agree that there remains room for improvement. Have you read the article Al-Aqsa? Onceinawhile (talk) 14:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a good question about the Dome of the Rock. Certainly it is not currently used as a mosque, but that's not a complete answer. The fact that it has a mihrab (usually given as one of the characteristics of a mosque) complicates the question. Zerotalk 03:12, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  the page needs a more specific name 

message: remove "User:CheezDeez ON TOP" El-Beheri (talk) 16:37, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This was caused by a template-vandalising sock. Needed a null edit to reset pages; see Special:Diff/1221201657#Strange bug on Flag of Russia article. Liu1126 (talk) 16:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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