Talk:Haiti/Archive 1

message: What is the United State's past and present relationship to Haiti?  Also, why wasn't it mentioned that after the slaves won their emancipation they said that they would stop at nothing to end slavery all over the world?  That the elite are attempting to remove a democratically elected president to keep Haiti a breading ground for US multi-national corporations?
:As to the commitment to stop slavery: You might want to add another sentence if this actually lead to something. As for the last part: We might have a NPOV problem here, yet if you can present it in a neutral way, please add something about it. DrZ 14:59, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Neutral from all perspectives. That's the definition, is it not? billybobfred 19:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Top

message: There is enough unimpeachable evidence available thru the Internet -- i.e. links to haitian organizations -- to demonstrate that this article is unacceptably inaccurate.
Whether the writer is aware of it or not, they are taking a definite pro-imperial stance by "alleged" this, etc. Popularly-elected Aristide was overthrown by the U.S., and he was personally kidnapped by the U.S.; the deathsquads are U.S., elite and Dominican-backed, etc. These facts are only disputed by U.S. propaganda organs like Fox -- which have a very definite agenda that has almost nothing to do with facts.
Please change this entry ASAP.
:I agree. The article does not pay any attention to the fact that this issue is being heavily discussed all over the place. The world, that is. .~.
::I have two complaints. One is regarding the complaints before this. They ask someone else to fix what they can fix. Then there is the related question of the freeport project which was cancelled under very strange circumstances. By the way, I contributed the original information - while using my identity (the compaints above are from unknown sources.) But on the freeport issue, if this project had gone ahead as planned then development money would have flowed into Haiti. From what I have read but not posted, there is a lot more to this story than meets the eye and that goes to the question of why Haiti is the poverty problem that it is. No one is addressing this issue. Of course the elections were corrupted, but the people running for office in Haiti have been no shining angels either. I agree that something is wrong with this story but it goes far deeper than a liberal/conservative or FOX/CBS type of story. Instead of complaining I suggest that all interested parties contribute the missing information. Since the writers have enough interest to write their comments on this subject - then perhaps they have enough interest to do the research to find the answers as well. After all, that is what everyone else is trying to do on Wikipedia: contribute knowledge. MPLX/MH 17:17, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is plenty of proof available online 

message: A controversy has erupted over the choice of map for this article. The two candidates are shown here, along with any others that other Wikipedians may choose to enter. Feel free to make any comments. The lower map may also appear in the corresponding Geography article for this country. Kelisi 03:26, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: I can't help but notice that this article contains nothing about the US governments role in 2004 rebellion.  Like the part where the US military kidnapped Aristide TitaniumDreads 09:39, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whoa!! This article needs some work. 

message: What is the following sentence supposed to mean?  It needs to be clarified. Perhaps to something less than a paragraph long, or, at least to have complete and sensical clauses:
The Council of Sages, which consists of the following...and, to a somewhat lesser degree, France (from whom Aristide had requested a restitution of exactly US$21,685,135,571.48, the modern-day equivalent of the 90 million gold francs {originally set at 150 million, but later reduced} which were demanded as ransom by the French government from then-President Jean-Pierre Boyer). Fireworks 20:48, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-Aristide 

message: This article really needs to be updated and cleaned up. The current election dates are wrong (although I'm not sure exactly what all of the new ones are yet).  The categories describing the current political situation and the last years of Aristide's presidency are not very clear and the information is not as well organized as it could be.
I added a reference to Gérard Jean Juste.
Xoliswa 00:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean Up 

message: Somehow I don't think that the Namibian comic strip is well-known enough for a disambig link from this page. Just my opinion, obviously--is there anyone else with thoughts on this? billybobfred 19:19, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: it has a different spelling.  No need for disambig.Kgrr 14:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hai Ti? 

message: Shouldn't the flag with the emblem be used instead of the civil flag? Chanheigeorge 23:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good find, I fixed it.  --MateoP 00:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: Does anyone know why there is no mention of the 1937 Massacre? I am willing to research (or compile the available information) and write a page. --Cfravien  02:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you're referring to the massacre of Haitian immigrants by Dictator Trujillo, correct?  It's on my to do list.  Right now I'm concentrating on maintain and adding to the 2006 elections article.  I'm also working in my part time on an article about U.S. reactions to the Haitian revolution.  So it might be a while between I can get to the massacre, though it's obviously an important event.  Here's one thing I have already downloaded about it.  It's a journal article called "A World Destroyed, A Nation Imposed: The 1937 Haitian Massacre in the Dominican Republic" by an author named Richard Lee Turits.  I downloaded it off of the Project Muse database.  47 pages long and so I presume fairly detailed.  If you're interested in doing research, that's probably a good place to look.  --MateoP 05:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I was referring to the massacre by Trujillo. I will work on an article about the massacre. I also tried to download the article "A World Destroyed" but you need a username and password. 00:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  1937 Massacre of 18,000 Haitians 

message: The article :la:Haitia in the Latin Wikipedia has been startet. You are welcomed. ;-) --Roland2 12:19, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:la:Haitia]]

message: This article seems to have definite POV problems. Whether Aristide was forcibly removed from power is disputed. Also, there's a part where it says something like "seemingly under the influence of Washington" regarding an action of the post-Artistide government, suggesting that the government is a puppet of the US without even citing a source. 71.106.36.231 07:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV