Talk:New Haven, Connecticut/Archive 1

message: I said I would keep my fingers out of this article for a while, so I won't add this myself, but is it true that Sally's Apizza was a favorite hangout of cartoonist Garry Trudeau when he was at Yale and that the walls are decorated with a liberal collection of autographed Doonesbury cartoons? Because, if so, some might that worthy of note. Dpbsmith 20:09, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Trudeau Doonesbury cartoons on walls of Sally's Apizza?

message: I am fairly new to Wikipedia, but I made a revision to the New Haven entry.  Under notable New Haveners I found the name of "Jesse Richards."  I know of this person and he is far from notable.  He is a local artist of no notoriety and has placed his own name on this list for publicity.  I do not believe that a local artist how works in a tobaco and newspaper shop should be placed along with the names of a president of the United States, the founder of physical chemistry and the inventor of the cotton gin.
I have added Mr. Richards back as a notable New Havener as the person writing above has removed Mr. Richards out of jealousy. Jesse Richards is a notable artist and filmmaker, has had paintings shown in a national gallery in the UK, has had a film in a major film festival- The New York International Independent Film and Video Festival, in 2003, and is well known in the East Village punk/art/film scene.
:Your assertion that Jesse Richards is notable might carry more weight if you yourself were unassociated with him . But if you think you can make the case, the place to do it is Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jesse Richards. - Nunh-huh 05:33, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Taft lived on Prospect St. near what is now Farnam Gardens.  His house is no longer standing.  Chick Bowen 14:36, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable New Haveners 

message: for my money, yale seems to be trying to engage the city more lately. both in a citizenly way, and also by replacing old yale institutions with big retail chains. Gzuckier 05:31, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the original edit was hopelessly POV, as Nunh-huh rather forcefully pointed out.  A history of town-gown relations, Ezra Stiles to Rick Levin, might be useful, but it would have to be done in such a way as to be objective and verifiable—which is tricky, since when it comes down to it, some New Haveners hate Yale and some of 'em don't. Chick Bowen 11:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent edits re town/gown divide 

message: We have a whole Notable Yale alumni and natives section in the New Haven article. I believe that is unnecessary and a list of Notable people born in New Haven or have resided here for a long period would be much more appropriate to the article. SandBoxer 06:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited the section to include people who were born, or lived in New Haven for an extended period of time, but excluded those who only lived in the city while attending Yale.  I exempted Yale faculty because, as they taught at Yale, they would've also lived in the immediate vicinity.  Perhaps the list should be retitled "famous New Haven residents", since "native" implies birth. Gromitjc 17:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Yale Alumni?  

message: Hi. I grew up in New Haven and I think this article is pretty good.  I have a small perhaps petty objection.  While Claire's Cornercopia is notable for its longevity and lots of people really like it, I don't believe that its food is "exceptionally highly regarded." NSpector 06:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, not all Yale graduates... presumably only those attending since 1975. Also, it's Claire's Corner Copia, not Claire's Cornercopia. - Nunh-huh 05:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claire's Cornercopia? 

message: The DIstrict Telephone Company of New Haven created the world's first telephone exchange and first telephone directory (1878) and installed the first public phone (1880). The company expanded and became the Connecticut Telephone Company, then the Southern New England Telephone Company.  Is this too trivial for inclusion?  Jd2718 12:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added, though it should get a reference. -- Beland 05:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Telephone Company

message: Per the discussion above, I'm going to try to separate New Haveners and Yalies.
That makes the most sense to me, since information won't be lost, it will just be reorganized.
Thoughts?
Aroundthewayboy 06:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Separating Yale Alumni and New Haven Natives

message: Mass transit proposals are, AFAIK, a dime a dozen.  If the New Haven - Springfield (light rail???  maybe some sort of commuter rail??) proposal was being built, it might belong.  But I'm deleting until then  Jd2718 00:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Light Rail

message: The section on post-colonial history mentions that New Haven was the venue for the Amistaad trial, so shouldn't the modern history section mention that New Haven was in 1970-71 also the venue for the trial of 13 members of the Black Panther Party on charges of murder? The defendents included BPP's then president, Bobby Seale. That trial got national news coverage back then. Karlhahn 20:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point!!!Gzuckier 18:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The trial is important, and should be included.  I think the contribution needs to be greatly condensed.  What details are relevant for the history of New Haven? The HR Clinton stuff probably belongs in an article on Hillary herself.  Details of the crime (the street address??) probably can be omitted. I'd rather get a little discussion before I try to pare anything back. Jd2718 19:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've loaded pretty much all of it in, seems to me maybe it needs its own page? Leave the highlights here? Gzuckier 15:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense.  Will you do that, or would you like help summarizing? Jd2718 13:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll kick it off, (God willing). Feel free to mangle my cherished and beautiful wordsmithing (ooops, did i say that outloud? (^_^)) Gzuckier 15:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your addition on this topic is more than I expected, but I like it. I lived in the NH area at that time, and reading of those events it brings back memories of my adolescence. One thing missing, though, is the results of the trial. I recall (but please verify) that the jury hung 11 to 1 in favor of aquittal on Bobby Seale and 10 to 2 on Ericka Huggins (local BPP chairperson). The alleged trigger man (who turned states evidence) and at least one other defendant were convicted. The rest were either aquitted outright or hung the jury. Karlhahn 13:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Panthers Trial of 1970

message: The article contains references to new development, new biomedical firms, new housing (1000s of units), new restaurants (100s) sprinkled in several sections. Dates could be added (eg, "In the late 90's...," "under DeStefano..").  Or some specifics could be added.  Otherwise they are unverifiable, and look like City of New Haven self-promo quotes.  In addition, the revitalization of Downtown and many other neighborhoods should have neighborhoods or groups of neighborhoods specified. Jd2718 15:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Development/Redevelopment

message: Anyone object to the deletion of the last sentence of the first paragraph?  I mean, the greater New England area goes right up to Greenwich; this seems a bit confusing. Oconduibh 22:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Greater New England Area"?

message: Since the city's urban plan is of historical significance, it would be nice to have that illustrated.  Also, since there are articles on neighborhoods, it would be useful to have a map showing where in the city they are.  It seems to me it would also be useful to show the rivers that flow through the city, to illustrate why it was a local transportation hub in colonial times. -- Beland 03:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Map requests

message: This article clearly has not been defluffed yet.  At 56kb long, it has many sections equivalent cities would be lacking.  I recommend the following removals based on precedent:
#1970 trial, though put it on its own page and make link to it
#Greater New Haven, no other cities mention explicitly any of their suburbs unless referring to something that suburbs contributed (e.g. a school or a famous figure)
#The sports section looks lengthy enough to merit a split off to its own article, especially since it has subheadings
#Theatre, museums, music, points of interest.  This travel brochure should be removed and moved to wikitravel.  Trim this down to one section 10-12 sentences.
#Miscellaneous seems to be mostly trivia, also a candidate for its own page from lack of relevance to the article as a whole.
#Photos removed.  With a link to the gallery left on the page.  Other cities don't have these sorts of galleries on the page.
#Natives and Residents, continue the trend with Yale and Hopkins, put this on its own page with a link.  Take all three categories, put under one heading "Notable residents of New Haven".
Also, history section trimmed, merged into one section, full text is put in its own article.
*Crime: the word "crime" does not appear once in the article.  You can compare crime indices to similar cities.  A note on crime is clearly in order for this to represent the city accurately.
--Loodog 05:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup 

message: editing to the lead (positive) has laid bare this 1-sentence paragraph (2nd paragraph):
:Founded in 1638, New Haven is considered the first planned city in the United States. Its walkable scale has helped it become one of the cities with the most pedestrian commuters.
#Who considers it the first planned city? Is it consensus enough, unchallenged, so that it can safely stand in the lead of the article?
#The walkable scale is bunk. The list cited is just a list of college towns. Jd2718 03:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first planned city sentence is actually true.  The roads in New Haven were designed in a geometric grid and weren't simply placed haphazardly between landmarks of importance, which was the method for creating towns in North America prior to 1638.  Also, the properity divisions were decided apon before anyone began to build.  Here are refs for it being the "first planned city"; [] and [].  As for the second statement, I don't think it's well founded or sourced.  I am of the opinion that it should be removed, unless someone can source it.  Chtirrell 04:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the links. I do not think, however, that laying out eight streets made New Haven a planned city. A surveyed town? In any event, the fact (they planned a grid of four streets by four streets, creating what are now commonly known as the "Nine Squares") is better than the synthesis which may not be quite right (NH is considered the first planned city in the United States) Jd2718 04:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest combining those two statements into one, with a slight change.  For example, "NH is considered by some historians to be the first planned city in the United States, because the downtown area was planned to be a grid of four streets by four streets.  This created what is now commonly known as the "Nine Squares."" or "Due to the downtown area being designed as a grid of four streets by four streets, many historians consider NH to be America's first planned city.  This central grid is now commonly known as the "Nine Squares.""  I believe this encompasses fully all sides of the story.  I know for sure that I have read many instances of New Haven being named the "first planned city" being used in print texts, but I don't have them on hand at the moment. Chtirrell 05:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice, I think that does the trick. I wouldn't want to conflate it with modern urban planning (which is a burden New Haven has borne), and I think your wording avoids that. The word "city" though is not really correct. Jd2718 05:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planned? Walkable? 

message: The conflict between New Amsterdam and Connecticut is well documented in Russell Shorto's new book, The Island at the Center of the World.  Shorto uses many sources recently translated from long-lost archives.  New Haven was merged into Connecticut because the Connecticut Colony gained a royal charter that year to control "all the land between Massachusetts and Virginia, extending to the Pacific" - this was done as a pretext for the takeover of the Dutch colony. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.2.247.162 (talk) 01:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Amsterdam and New Haven 

message: I don't understand (and definitely disagree with) the desire to assert that New Haven didn't really lose its elm trees, or that plantings of other trees and disease-resistant elms have restored the condition that formerly existed. The simple fact is that New Haven's nickname derives from a condition that no longer exists, and that is the main point of the sentence about the loss of the elms. (Almost all of the elms died. Planting oaks, maples, ash trees, etc., will not restore it.) If you have never seen the aesthetic effect of a city street with a canopy of healthy mature elm trees (what New Haven formerly had), check out this photo. Also see before-and-after pictures from Detroit; before and after the Dutch elm disease hit there.--orlady 17:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: re the photos; Wow. Gzuckier 18:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, Orlady. You've made the point better than I could have. For those of you familiar with modern New Haven, check out these photos from the Yale manuscript collection. Jd2718 00:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes. If there is a debate on this it should be discussed in a subsection. Some people would argue that the replanted trees, and the non-elm species that have further matured since the 1930s (such as the "LINCOLN OAK" on the New Haven Green) are much larger than any of the 1800s or 1930s trees ever were.  The fact that New Haven is the "Elm City", however, is not debatable. So let's just state that at the beginning of the article. --Syrcsemark
There is an online article in the Yale Alumni Magazine, The Elm City: Then and Now, that describes the situation and provides photos of elms at various dates. It confirms the replanting of elms on the green, but I continue to contend that the abundance of elms that gave the city its nickname are gone. The story of the elm demise is complicated, but I still would date the most significant die-off as the one in mid-century: 
In the 1890s and again in 1908, the city was invaded by elm-leaf beetles, an accidentally introduced species from Europe with a voracious appetite for foliage. ...Roots were damaged as streets were excavated for gas lines and water mains and paved to carry automobile traffic. Many trees were removed when electric lines were installed.... Dutch elm disease, the trees' most infamous enemy, came in two stages. The first began in 1933, when the fungus Ophiostoma ulmi, which causes the disease, appeared in Connecticut. ...In this initial iteration, the fungus spread slowly. Far more damaging was the 1938 hurricane, which brought down 13,500 trees in New Haven alone, many of them elms weakened by disease. Then came the second wave of Dutch elm disease, a new and more virulent species that arose in the Midwest in the 1940s and went on to devastate elms throughout the country. Only some two dozen survived on the New Haven Green. At its nadir, the famously shady Green had become a sunny lawn. In 1988 the New York Times wrote that, for many decades, "the Elm City title has been a hollow one." 
The replanting of elms, especially on the green, is impressive (judging from photos like this one ) and deserves a mention, but not in the introduction to the article; tell about it later on. --orlady 03:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Elms in the Elm City

message: The was a change and a revert.  The revert is correct.  As of 2000 census:
1) Bridgeport: 139,529
2) New Haven: 123,626
3) Hartford: 121,578
The same is even true when comparing the 2003 estimates, though the gap between New Haven and Hartford is closing fast.  Since 2002 est., they've been consistently within 400 of each other.--Loodog 04:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the 2005 census estimate has New Haven about 400 people ahead. john k 02:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Damn, it was the last thing I posted before there was a talk page archiving.  See stats there.--Loodog 03:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is the second largest in CT 

message: I understand in the modern history section editor's may prefer to avoid negative words, but can we really not talk about the development of slums? And instead of "a few neighborhoods" or "some central areas" can we name the places? Jd2718 07:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decline/renewal 

message: Maybe this is just me, but I don't think there should be a photo section: it needlessly lengthens the article and other cities don't have it.  Also, not having a photos section provides impetus to use scrutiny in the pictures that are used in the article.--Loodog 03:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen the galleries removed from a bunch of location articles recently, really all that is needed is a link to the Commons category with the images in it.. I'm not sure all the images on the page now are in the category, or even on Commons.. --Versageek 03:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The photos section 

message: I would love to find a place in the article for this photo, although it may be overkill.. the panorama's don't work well as thumbnails or infoboxes.. any ideas? --Versageek 00:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  any place for this photo?  

message: 1. This is certainly a debatable point.
2. It probably constitutes OR.
3. It does not add appreciably to the article.
The two sources provided are:
1. Yahoo...
2. A curriculum guide. This has two problems:
a) it looks like the work of a single teacher. AFAI can tell, the institute hosts, it does not write or endorse; and 
b) it doesn't actually make the claim it is being cited for.
The phrase and supporting references should be deleted. Jd2718 (talk) 03:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some mention about being a planned city here and here. If anyone has access to these books, it might be a suitable reference. --Polaron | Talk 03:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Also a journal article: J. Archer, "Puritan Town Planning in New Haven," Journal of the Society of Architectural Historians 34, 140 (l975). --Polaron | Talk 03:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I already deleted the curriculum since that qualifies as a personal website.  The yahoo travel guide is fine, and has a publisher.  New Haven, with its Nine Squares layout did indeed have intention in the city design.  I've argued with this article's regular contributors as to whether this constitutes "urban planning", and what we've come up with is that it's "arguably" one of the earliest examples of urban planning in the Americas.--Loodog (talk) 03:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The curriculum at http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1997/4/97.04.01.x.html is not a self-published site. It belongs to The Yale-New Haven Teachers Institute, which (according to the website) "is an educational partnership between Yale University and the New Haven Public Schools designed to strengthen teaching and learning in local schools and, by example, in schools across the country." This material does have an author's name on it, but it is not a self-published book, personal website, blog, or the like. The material was posted 10 years ago with the intent that it be used as school curriculum. If it weren't "up to snuff," the highly reputable website owner (Yale) could have taken it off the website during those 10 years. In contrast, the reference that you consider reliable is anything but. It's a Yahoo online travel guide that provides no clue as to the source or authorship of its content. Indeed, it's generic content that can be found all over the Internet. I found it on 11 different domains, including http://www.marriott.com/city-guide/city-insider.mi?cityId=606 , which identifies http://www.wcities.com/en/guide/gen_intro/606/guide.html as the original source. According to http://corporate.wcities.com/aboutus.html , Wcities "City information is compiled using researchers, stringer reviewers, locals and editors." On http://corporate.wcities.com/careers.html there is a recruitment ad for "Content Writers / Researchers / Sub-Editors / Language Experts (Full time)"; the main job requirements seem to be an ability to write in English and availability to work in Mumbai, India. 'Nuf said. I'm restoring the Yale-New Haven Teachers Institute reference and deleting the one from the professional content provider in Mumbai. --Orlady (talk) 03:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While it probably still is not a good reference, what is more relevant is that it doesn't back up the quote. The 'planned community" bit is, unfortunately, OR. Loodog's compromise (and I was part of that) is really just weasely. I understand wanting to add a superlative, but it really adds nothing to the article, and the claim is quite problematic. The whole bit, references and all, should be dropped. Jd2718 (talk) 05:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The stuff is in the article. It is in the streetscape section, and in the history section. It is too detailed for the lead. Jd2718 (talk) 19:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  one of the earliest examples of colonial city planning in the Americas 

message: Very skeptical of the "tallest buildings" section. I think there are quite a few buildings in the downtown that are taller than Harkness Tower, much as I love it!--AaronM 18:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: source used in article.  Though I've often known emporis to have details wrong, I generally accept their ranking.  If you can find a better source, go for it!--Loodog 03:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit: in fact, Harkness Tower is only the 5th tallest.  So you're right.  I guess the article's been fixed since you mentioned it.--Loodog 03:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Architecture 

message: The New Haven Skyline has changed, I'd like to see a new 'good' picture! 
Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.114.122 (talk) 06:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What section of the skyline? The problem with the image used in the infobox is that it can't be too wide, and to catch the new construction (which is considerably to the left of those buildings when the photo is taken from the same location), the image would need to be much wider. I will try for a panorama that gets the new cancer center & the other new buildings, but I'm not sure it would fit into the article. A skyline shot taken from somewhere other than the east shore might be able to get more/other buildings. --Versageek 06:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skyline 

message: According to the Department of Economic Development, the city population is 127, 401 as of 2009. (http://www.cityofnewhaven.com/EconomicDevelopment/pdfs/PDF-Official.pdf) 
But somebody keeps changing it. Last time I changed it to population of 127,401 (core population of 127,000), it was changed back to the same. So I thought, oh, okay. I didn't think that I referenced the information, so I understood. This time, I changed it again - this time, it was a perfect edit. Somebody edited it, keeping the 2009 as the year, and actually decreasing the population by 1,000 (to 123,000). 
To whoever is doing that - please stop being immature. Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.159.178.5 (talk) 01:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Preferring accurate figures is not necessarily a sign of immaturity. Nor is insisting on sources the first several times you changed the number without any. If you bothered to check, you would see that the latest change reflects the official estimate from the U.S. Census Bureau. The city publication, for which you provided a broken link in your edit, does not provide any information on where their number came from. U.S. Census trumps unknown source for U.S. population figures. Fat&Happy (talk) 02:52, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: There needs to be a section on religion. Can someone get some information on religion in New Haven?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.81.112.110 (talk) 19:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. New Haven is home to many Churches, Synagougues and Mosques. There should be a section for them. --Seda gedik (talk) 19:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

text: I don't know if Religion itself needs to be a topic. I think churches would be a better choice. This is because the city doesn't follow one specific religion. If churches was put rather than religion then you could list the various amounts of churches throughout the city Robertforleo3 (talk) 03:27, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: The crime ranking mentioned here (4th most dangerous) is in no way accurate.
Using comparable urban areas, New Haven is around the 168th most dangerous city, not the 4th most.  See http://www.ctdatahaven.org/blog/2011/06/public_safety_new_haven/.  The NBC Connecticut reference should be removed as these media sources have issued corrections on their story.  It is possible to compare blocks to blocks, or standard urban areas to standard urban areas, but not municipalities.
The rankings are completely invalid, and were not issued by the FBI, Wall Street Journal, nor any other reputable source.  Consequently they were not published by the NYTimes, Hartford Courant, WSJ, or other major newspapers and the NH Register, which published a story on them, later issued a retraction.
Rob Casey, who heads the FBI section that publishes the Uniform Crime Report that the rankings are based upon, has said "You're not comparing apples and oranges, your are comparing watermelons and grapes. These rough rankings provide no insight into the many variables that mold crime in a particular town, city, county, state or region. Consequently they lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting communities and their residents."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.81.119 (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read wp:or. You're conducting original resarch and saying that multiple reliable sources (such as NBC, WTNH, Bloomberg, The Wall Street Journal et al) are wrong, but that some New Haven not for profit blog is correct. If they have "corrected their stories", please cite such a retraction... I see none out there. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 18:32, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The figures that you like were originally published by "24/7 Wall Street", an online blog, run by one individual, and meant for equity traders. "24/7 Wall Street" is in no ways a respected news or policy organization with transparent leadership.  Furthermore, the figures were not originally "published" by any of the other sources you cite, and were not featured by the "Wall Street Journal" (some lazy editors have apparently confused that esteemed publication with the "24/7 Wall Street" blog).  Please correct your information before posting inaccurate information here.  Furthermore, according to the New Haven Register story published the next day, "The '24/7 Wall Street' report was not endorsed by the FBI, which cautions against comparing cities based on the UCR numbers, stating such analyses can be misleading or overly simplistic by failing to take in a range of factors that contribute to the numbers." Please see the piece at http://nhregister.com/articles/2011/06/03/opinion/doc4de95d1f01145208649566.txt for a correction. Also, note that unlike the "24/7" source that you are citing, DataHaven is not a "blog." It is an organization in New Haven that has existed for decades, is a 501(c)3 organization affiliated with the Urban Institute of Washington DC's NNIP program, and is transparently run by a Board of Directors consisting of University-based, foundation and civic leadership.  Changes must be reinstated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.81.119 (talk) 19:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You rail against legitimate sources, yet you cite an OPINION page. Many news media outlets covered the story, I have seen none retract it, including... the Wall Street Journal []. As I said on your talk page, you're free to find disclaimers from NBC, WSJ etc that say what you're saying. OR you can add your point to mine and say that it's a debated topic, but you CANNOT remove validly referenced points. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 20:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but the "WSJ" link you posted is actually from an online aggregator feed, called ONESPOT, that clearly says "from Business Insider", a source which itself only republishes the post on the 24/7 Blog. Therefore, you are only citing a blog, which is not in any way a valid source of information. Meanwhile, I have cited the FBI - which has completely discredited the rankings you cite - and also posted articles published by established research institutions that clearly explain the problems of those rankings. Again, please stop confusing sources. I apologize, but source information that is not valid must be removed. It seems that any criminologist in the United States would agree with me - please refer to the Wikipedia Page on CQ Press, etc., where you will find many quotes from criminologists.-71.235  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.81.119 (talk) 20:53, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:NEWSBLOG, "These are acceptable as sources if the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control". Which they are, as WSJ published it under its own banner and didn't just do a redirect. It's also not posted any retraction, nor has another other source that has published the story that I can find. Nor have you offered a single retraction, though you said that sources did retract the story. You did not cite the FBI, you cited an Op-Ed piece, which also falls under WP:NEWSBLOG, which is why I'm even offering to let you put it in as a contested piece of information. You still cannot just delete cited points becuase you do not like them, however. You are bordering on wp:or, as the only citations you have are an opinion piece and a blog from a non-profit. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 21:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Online aggregators like "ONESPOT" are not blogs - they are automatic aggregations of news feeds and not subject to any editorial control. The WP:NEWSBLOG section on blogs, that you cite, talks about online weblogs that are under the control of a particular journalist.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.81.119 (talk) 21:24, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  City Crime Rankings 

message: There is a rather embarrassing error in the media section: "Though both WTNH and WCTX are located in New Haven, CT, their Master Control, and Traffic departments are located in Springfield, Massachusetts in a former section of the city called Chicopee."
Chicopee is an independent city of 55,000 people, and is not a part of Springfield. Many communities in New England were "former sections" of other towns that broke away in the 17th and 18th centuries! I presume you mean that their "Master Control" is located in the WWLP building?
--71.192.131.227 (talk) 02:11, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the WTNH and WCTX articles tell us that these TV stations are controlled from Chicopee, and not Springfield. I'm not sure when this erroneous edit was made, but I agree that it's embarassing. Does it even merit being in the New Haven article? These details are covered pretty well in the articles on the stations; I think it should be removed. Lrkleine (talk) 04:35, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That information isn't relevant to New Haven at all... in their own articles? Sure. But not in an article about the city. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 12:28, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicopee is not Springfield 

message: Yeah, I was just looking at the U.S census results at us quickfacts and according to their data the demographic information is WAY off base especially where the Hispanic population is concerned, so I changed it. I would post a link, but I don't know how, still if you would look you take a quick look you would see what I mean.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.104.4 (talk) 04:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
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message: "Westville was the center of Jewish life in New Haven, though today many have fanned out to suburban communities such as Woodbridge and Cheshire."
Originally the route 34 corridor (Legion Ave) was the heart of the Jewish community. That's where all of the stores, synagogues and schools were. Then they moved north into Dwight/Edgewood, then further north into Beaver Hills, and only THEN did they move out to Westville (before moving on to Orange, Woodbridge, etc....). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.65.109.215 (talk) 05:22, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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message: The caption under the photo from the filming of Indiana Jones states that it is a picture of Shia LaBeouf and Harrison Ford. This photo is actually of their stunt doubles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.210.148.158 (talk) 11:42, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
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message: The port is a very important part of New Haven and should be mentioned in the beginning of the article.  The port is, of course, how New Haven got it's name.  Today, it is the distribution point for all petroleum products in the region.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.74.9 (talk) 18:08, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: Britannica says, that New Haven was co-capital of Connecticut from 1701 until 1875, not until 1873, as it is in the lede currently. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:09, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
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message: Hi all,
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