Talk:Lucky Star (manga)/Archive 1

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:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below, and per WP:NC#Special_characters. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
====Survey - Support votes====
# Support as nominator. --Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK·CONTRIBS 06:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Support as nominator. --Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK·CONTRIBS 06:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - Support votes

message: What the heck is a healing-type? The character descriptions need to explain this class choice of the none Kota-chan girls. :P Meganekko and tsundere are at least wikilinked, but even using google, I can't figure out what a healing-type is.... (Are they the clerics of the party?) Kyaa the Catlord 20:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I first found this page, the characters section was directly transcribed from the Japanese Wikipedia, and a lot of copyediting had to be done; sadly, I didn't get to most of it but managed to format it well enough. Healing-type, I suppose, would be analogous to a kind person who always thinks the best of people around them or the situation at hand and in effect calms others down. Miyuki definitely fits this description if my hypothesis is correct; I'll make some copyediting notes to clarify some of the foregin terms.--十八 21:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, its pretty rare when I don't recognize a term. I'm a big otaku.... (but I'd be an ota-failure in Japan). I'm watching this page and will work on it as the anime progresses. (And if I ever stop watching the OP animation.) Kyaa the Catlord 22:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally un-related to the actual entry...but...healing-type= 癒し系(いやしけい iyashi-kei) is a valid term that's been in use for awhile now, and it's slowly being used by some US ACG fans/otakus. It is more of a category/genre (hence the kei) that refers to people/characters/items that gives off a soothing, relaxing "healing" feel (chicken soup for the soul can be a healing-type book). Aria, for example, is most well known for being a healing-type manga. Pleasent natural scenaries are often labeled as healing-type wallpapers.  Do note, that different from Juhachi's hypothesis, people/things of the healing-type category are only given the label because they are "healing" to the real life viewer/watcher/listener. They do not have to be "healing" to others. Just as Miyuki can sometimes unknowingly become a frustration for Konata(being oblivious to her moe factor) or Kagemi(having the near perfect body)Eternal Sleeper 15:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, until it becomes commonly used, even anime fans won't know what it means and we should not use jargon in our articles. Kyaa the Catlord 16:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why I didn't edit the entry :P, but some sort of clearification might be good Eternal Sleeper 16:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh. I've heard the term once or twice, to be honest, but I've never understood what it meant before. I think I get it now. Hidamari Sketch would definately be healing-type, eh? Kyaa the Catlord 16:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Methinks I've heard the term "Healing Type" used in Pani Poni Dash in one of the character explication frames...  Mekryd 16:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But wasn't that describing her magical girl powers? (if you're thinking of who I'm thinking of...) Kyaa the Catlord 16:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hrm...  Perhaps.  It's been a while since I've last seen it... Mekryd 17:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Healing type magical girl Behomi is more or less a joke, since healing types really can't refer to themselves as healing types. Just as magical girls don't usually refer to themselves as magical girls. She's kinda forcing those two attributes of her onto the watcher, regardless if they agree with it or not. At least that's my 2 cents.  Eternal Sleeper 17:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Word choice

message: I believe the ending themes section should be merged/moved into the episode list page. I am suggesting this base on two reasons: 1.Lucky Star (manga) is suppose to be a general article about the overall franchise; the specific details to the ending themes apply to the anime only. 2. Assuming nothing changes, this section will eventually get too long for the main article (at least 24 ep = 24+ lines). Eternal Sleeper 02:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would disagree just on the basis that the scope for List of Lucky Star episodes is meant to just list the episodes and nothing else. But, I too am starting to get concerned about the ending themes and was thinking that a collapsable table might work. One is already in use in the Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru article under the Gameplay section.--十八 03:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I did it. What do you think?--十八 03:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: looks great Eternal Sleeper 03:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ending Themes

message: There does not need to be so many red links in the ending themes sub section per WP:CONTEXT. These articles will almost surely never be created and those shows are not relavent to the context of this article. Same goes for Kokusho Sayuri.--十八 05:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Surely never be created" is a silly judgement call, and they are perfectly relevant -- the show is using the theme songs of these programs and expecting the audience to recognize them, or at least be aware in some vague sense of the programs that the songs are from. The shows are notable, and are clearly related to the fact that their theme songs are being used and referenced by Lucky Star. As I said, Wikipedia: Red link backs up and reiterates my point. If you aren't swayed by that, I'll point out that the links to Dragon Ball Z and Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu! are just as "irrelevant" by your reasoning. Obviously, I think they should stay, but removing the others and leaving those is just demonstrating an odd phobia of red links. --72.228.85.3 17:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (72.228.85.3, logged in) Though I don't know if it will placate you, I created an article on Akumaizer 3 (which I had planned on doing for some time, and I do think that its notable, but if you disagree, feel free to address it through the appropriate channels.--KR | T 19:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look, all I'm worried about is when 24 ED themes are up, there will most likely be a ton of red links, and that is not something that is helpful to the reader. And also, at WP:RED which you are pointing out, it states: Do not create links for subsidiary topics that result in red links (links that go nowhere) to articles that will never be created, such as the titles of book chapters. Do create red links to articles you intend to create or technical terms that need to be explained. Since I heavily doubt that much of these red links will eventually result in articles, and also the fact that I doubt you intend to create them yourself, and that these are not technical terms that need to be explained, should be reason enough to only link the ones that already have articles.--十八 00:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But all those themes will be related to notable topics and that they haven't been written is just an indicator that people with the motivation and interest haven't yet done so. The book chapters example isn't applicable -- articles on popular television series are very, very common, and I highly doubt that that will change, unlike articles on book chapters. I understand that a bunch of red links aren't helpful, but when they become blue links, they are. Therefore, by removing them, you're just preventing that and not solving any existing problem.--KR | T 03:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever said that a red link was essential for the creation of an article? Just because something isn't linked does not mean that a user could not create a page for it; red linking just makes the step a little easier by bypassing the search feature to see if a page exists for a subject or not. And just because the shows are "notable" does not make them relavent in the context of this article which has nothing to do with them besides the ending themes.--十八 04:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say a red link was needed for the creation of the article, but most readers are more likely to click on a link (assuming the articles are eventually created) than they would to search for a title that they had just stumbled upon in this article. And, again, the program is using these songs because they expect people to recognize them and/or the program they're from. For a non-Japanese viewer, which I'd imagine most readers of the English Wikipedia are, having a link would naturally help explain that reference to those uninformed. If there's a red link there or just text, sure, they won't be any more informed. But the red link doesn't cause any harm, and if it becomes a blue link when an article is created, then it's useful. As I've already said, all you achieve by removing them is causing potential problems for readers and solving nothing. Red links are not always good things, but they're rarely bad things, and this case is no exception. If you really disagree with that, then I suppose this debate should move to Wikipedia talk:Red link... but I think you'll find most people in agreement with me.--KR | T 05:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I've read WP:RED (never saw it before, lol).  Seems to be, based on my interpretation of what I read, is that there's nothing inherently wrong with making red links, provided they could result in an article.  And it seems to me that most of the endtheme stuff for this series would, in fact, result in an article if for no other reason than Lucky Star seems to be pretty popular.  I made an article for Timotei, myself.  Snarfies 23:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red linking 

message: currently the default page when searching wikipedia for "Lucky Star" is the song by Madonna. Is it possible this can be changed to the anime Lucky Star since most people at this point would probably be searching for the latter? Kei-clone 20:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In cases such as these, the one created first takes precedant, and all articles afterwards with the same title get a disambig added to their title, such as with how (manga) is listed at the end of this title. Not only that, but the Madonna song is many more times more notable than this series in English since this series isn't even licensed in America.--十八 05:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't really matter which one gets created first (say, if someone created an article on one of the many film adaptions of Hamlet before creating one on the play, the play would clearly be more significant and should be the primary article at Hamlet), but since the song is clearly the more significant of the two, the titles should remain the way they are now. I'll grant you that there are probably more people searching for this particular article right now, but that's only because it's currently airing, and thus has a lot of attention surrounding it, and because those who would be interested in reading about are more likely to use the internet for research than Madonna enthusiasts or music historians. In other words, bias, so, again, the titles should stay the way they currently are.--KR | T 03:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Although I agree with the principle of what you're saying, , again, that doesn't really factor into it. There are two versions of The Man Who Knew Too Much, but the latter one is the more famous, and more people are liable to be looking for it as opposed to the other one.--KR | T 03:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Default Lucky Star Page 

message: Zard's "makenaide" was actually featured as a theme song for the "Shiratori Reiko Degozaimasu" drama. However, I personally feel the LS staff is putting the song in as a tribute to the recently deceased Zard vocalist - Izumi Sakai. If anyone feel referencing "Shiratori Reiko Degozaimasu" would be a better idea, please just leave a comment here. Additionally I put down "all principal cast" as listing all of the character/cast name wouldn't look pretty. Eternal Sleeper 04:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode 12 ending theme song.

message: I've put in a request to move Lucky Star to Lucky Star (song), and Lucky Star (disambiguation) to Lucky Star. It can be discussed on Talk:Lucky Star — PyTom 01:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation Move 

message: The current ending is incorrect. It is listed as "Koi no Mikuru Densetsu" (The Mikuru Legend of Love). The correct title is "Koi no Minoru Densetsu" (The Minoru Legend of Love). Shiraishi sings this as a parody and inserts his name instead and the title of the song is also listed as such. Since I am not sure how to change such wonderful pages I am sure everyone would appreciate it if the right title were put in by someone knowledgeable in modifying pages ^^
--PrinceKr85 02:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm assuming that his name in the title is written in hiragana right? If so, I'll change it as such.--十八 02:20, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's katakana, I've fixed that already. --29dupe 08:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ending theme for Episode 15 of Lucky Star. 

message: Okay, what I don't get is why Lucky Star is called a "manga" on the disambiguation page, yet the very first sentence of the article says that it is, originally and primarily, a four-panel comic strip. There is a notable difference between the two. Also in the article, it states that a Lucky Star manga went into production after the four-panel comic strip; since the Lucky Star manga is considered seperate from the original four-panel comic, shouldn't Lucky Star ultimately be called a "four-panel comic strip," or something of the like? Kikiluvscheese 01:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't much of a difference between a traditional manga format and a yonkoma since both are generally considered to be "manga" and therefore there is generally no difference seen between them. I added in 'manga' in the lead and noted that it's a yonkoma in the Manga section for clarification purposes. And besides, the naming convention at WP:MOS-AM is to place (manga) at the end of series that began as a manga (and as I said a yonkoma and regular manga are so close that it really doesn't matter, and this way we use less words in the title).--十八 02:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page title

message: This reference is no longer valid. Is there a permanent link for it? Didn't ANN report this on their site too or did I just imagine that? --Remy Suen 00:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just updated it with the ANN news link.--十八 00:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: This reference and this one appears to be broken too. --Remy Suen 21:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Broken reference

message: How exactly is Kagami the older twin sister of Tsukasa and vice-versa? Wouldn't they be the same age, seeing they are twins and their birth date is the same on the character page? Secondly, are they really fraternal twins, since they look almost alike and Konata said they might be identical in the third episode? --AAA! (AAAA) 06:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was stated before that they are fraternal, and just looking at them, they do not appear identical, so they're not identical twins. Furthermore, Kagami was taken out of their mother's womb first, so she is "older" in this sense, but only by a few minutes. This was stated in one episode when Tsukasa was wondering how it would have been if she had been born first.-十八 07:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure I remember reading that, in Japan, the "older" (or, perhaps, superior would be a better word) twin is the one that comes out second, since the "inferior" twin comes out first to make room for them. Shiroi Hane 15:55, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Fraternal twins... 

message: How is Lucky Star a seinen? Kikiluvscheese 02:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a real reason, but the anime was aired at 12:30 am, a time which most "shounen" viewers would not be able to meet.--殺人事件 | talk 14:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: This may be in reference to the demographic of the cast, which are mostly women, some going to high school (i.e. Konata, Kagami, Tsukasa, Miyuki, etc.). Animeronin 13:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, if Lucky Star happened to be released for American audiences, what TV rating would it most likely get? Kikiluvscheese 01:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The target demographic and the rating are completely different things. It would probably be rated E, anyhow.--殺人事件 | talk 08:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "E" rating is for video games, not TV. Kikiluvscheese 03:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, well. I'm forgetting all the American rating systems having lived there more than 8 years ago. Anyhow, it would be rated like 12 years or older.--殺人事件 | talk 08:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure; what about all the fanservice that tends to come up. It doesn't come up often, but when it's there, it's there (just think of the soda commerical with Haruhi near the end of the series).--十八 09:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now you mention it, America's rating system is kinda strict.--殺人事件 | talk 09:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's another example: the episode where some of the cast was wondering what animal other cast members would be. Mainly, the part where Konata suggest Miyuki's "animal" (a cow, because of Miyuki's chest) is inappropriate for children. There's also a Lucky Star comic I read (whether or not it is fan made, I'm not sure) in which Konata confides to Tsukasa that she wishes to have wild hot loli yuri sex with Miyuki. Not only is that not appropriate for children, but it's also generally disturbing. Stuff like that wouldn't even be shown on adult American regular cable channels, due to America's looking down on gays and lesbians. If the Lucky Star anime were released for (legal) American enjoyment, it'd probably be rated TV-14. (I'm going by Family Guy on this one, since it's pretty much like Lucky Star, content-wise) 69.108.81.224 04:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If what you say is true, then now I know why Lucky Star wouldn't be released for American audiences. TV-14 is targeted towards an older audience, but not one that would enjoy four girls going to high school. Family Guy has a sense of "humor" that Lucky Star doesn't obtain; Lucky Star's kindalike Gossip Girl, but with the chick flick drama substituted for light (sometimes sexual) humor. Kikiluvscheese 02:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many fanservice-orientated Shounen anime like Umisho (there is also a Cow-Chest-Gag). And there is also a Shounen anime with references to pedophilia, suicide, etc (Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei). Japanese demographics =! American rating system. 80.121.74.128 12:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick Question 

message: I have heard that the Lucky Star anime's been liscensed for North American distribution by Kadokawa Pictures USA. Should I update the article, or wait until I see it in stores or on TV? I don't want an edit war to develop because someone keeps deleting my information, stating that it's too rumor based. Kikiluvscheese 12:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Last I heard (this was a couple of days ago so it is possible I have missed something in the meantime) it was not confirmed as definitely licensed, or by whom, but had moved from the page of "available" (to be licensed) titles on the KadoUSA site to the general section along with titles such as Haruhi and Shuffle (which are either already released or due for release). Shiroi Hane 21:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Update

message: "It is an abomination to the world and should be purged." in the first paragraph and "Lucky ☆ Star's story portrays the lives of several stupid girls attending a Japanese high school named Ryōō with a very crappy sense of humor." under the plot section. 203.124.2.26 08:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was just a troll, and it's already been reverted.--十八 09:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV perhaps?

message: It looks awful in italics, nobody uses it, and it violates WP:MOSTM. Any objections to their removal?--SeizureDog (talk) 16:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words (e.g. ♥ used for "love"). In the article about a trademark, it is acceptable to use decorative characters the first time the trademark appears, but thereafter, an alternative that follows the standard rules of punctuation should be used.
No objections, it looks pretty standard; wonder why no one brought this up until now.--十八 21:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: K, killed them. The real annoying thing about the ☆ is that people were translating wrong. It's clear that it's just used as a stylized middle dot in Japanese (basically indicating word spacing), so should translate as "Raki☆Suta", not "Raki ☆ Suta".--SeizureDog (talk) 22:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we ditch the ☆s? 

message: I believe this has been raised before, but technically speaking,  aren't manga. So could the aricle be re-named to Lucky Star (yonkoma) or Lucky Star (four panel comic strip)? I know the meaning is kind of unclear, but my japanese friend at school said "you know that's not really manga" during a conversation when I was reading Lucky Star at school.--ニヤニヤ 17:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese Wikipedia article for yonkoma (:ja:4コマ漫画), specifally has the title "4-koma manga", so it is technically considered manga. As such, I do not think any change is needed.--十八 18:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, 4コマ漫画 is listed in :ja:日本の漫画 so yeah. I guess there's no need. Thanks. --ニヤニヤ 18:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Manga in Japanese means "comics". Manga in English means "comics from Japan". The format (comic book or comic strip) is never really a factor in either. I wonder under what criteria your friend considers "manga".--SeizureDog (talk) 06:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga vs. Yonkoma