Talk:Sin and Punishment

message: Now that the game has been released on the Virtual Console, both Nintendo of America and Europe regard the game's title to be Sin & Punishment (though NOE calls it Sin And Punishment). As such, shouldn't the article name be changed to remove the "Successor of the Earth" part? Cipher (Talk to the hand) 16:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, on the European Wii Shop it's called "Sin And Punishment", with the subtitle following behind in Japanese. Changing it just for the American name when it's had a Japanese name for 7 years would just be stupid. MrDrake 18:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best idea would be to keep the original article's title, with the subtitle. The second best option would be Sin & Punishment, the title used by the US VC. The current title, with the word "and", is just plain wrong. The T 02:47, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is the word "and" wrong? That's what's written on the box art, which you can see in the article. It's definitely the proper name for the game.--Impossible 10:22, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Megata Sanshiro has changed the article's name to Sin and Punishment: Hoshi no Keishōsha, but why would it need that? He didn't even name it Tsumi to Batsu: Hoshi no Keishōsha which is the full romanization.  Also, why not switch to Sin & Punishment: Successor to the Earth?  According to the Smash Bros. Dojo, the game Saki originated from is called Sin & Punishment: Successor to the Earth; however, according to the North American Virtual Console index web page and according to the Saki Amamiya trophy in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the game is simply called Sin and Punishment.  Should this article stay or be moved? Parrothead1983 (talk) 09:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote for Sin & Punishment: Successor to the Earth. I'm not sure of any reason to use a full or partial romanization of the Japanese title. The argument may be that this was its original title, but by that metric wouldn't (for example) the various Resident Evil entries be renamed Biohazard? Aawood (talk) 11:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Resident Evil doesn't need to be renamed as Biohazard, because the game was released internationally. Sin and Punishment wasn't released worldwide for the N64, but it was for the Virtual Consoles worldwide. Why should this article be named "Sin and Punishment: Hoshi no Keishōsha" when it is now released worldwide either simply as "Sin and Punishment" or "Sin and Punishment: Successor to the Earth"? Parrothead1983 (talk) 18:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How was this title translated as "Hoshi no Keishōsha" when according to this site  and others that I've found the name would be "Tsumi to Bachi: Chikyū no Keishousha", why isn't this used in the description and where did the other spelling come from? I suggest using Chikyū not Hoshi unless there is some better source.(Floppydog66 (talk) 20:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: I find it odd that there is no story synopsis for this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.232.145 (talk) 23:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Story

message: I think it would enrich the article if we put photos of the game throughout the article. I also recommend a Synopsis section, and expand the reception section. Mr.Mario 192 23:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: I removed one of the external links to Mobygames, which actually contains little to no information not located in the article body itself. Most of the site content there seemed automatically generated placeholder text telling us they don't have information on a variety of topics. It seems to obviously fall into the realm of a spam link, put there only to promote that website.
Mobygames actually often has useful information on several other topics, including screenshots, developers notes and such. This is not one of those cases. Once more (re: any) information on the game is entered on that page, it may be an appropriate external link, but for the time being it's clearly spam.Thatdamncoyote 23:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam 

message: Out of curiosity, why are there two plot summaries on here, one labeled Plot Synopsis and the other labeled just Plot? Larrythefunkyferret 22:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Plot Summaries 

message: should he have his own page? I think its fair to give Saki Amamiya one if they gave one to crash bandicoot ECT.--DarkFierceDeityLink 13:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Saki is not in any game other than this (except being an assist trophy in Brawl) so i don't know what value such an article would have, or what content it would have that would not fit as well on this page 213.238.233.27 (talk) 22:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saki Amamiya 

message: :Image:N64 - Sin & Punishment.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:N64 - Sin & Punishment.jpg

message: I still find it odd that the title is translated to English as Sin and Punishment while Tsumi to Batsu is the title of the Japanese translation of the famous Russian novel by Fyodor Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment. I don't know what error of copyright law made the authors translate the title this way, but I think at least it should be changed at the literal translation part of the article. I haven't played the game enough to see the connection between the two great works, but there might be so at least we should leave a clue on contrary to the misleading translation. DAud IcI (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At the end of the game, Saki, the protagonist of the game said "When I was little, I always wanted to be a cop." The words "crime" and "sin" are very similar; however, the word "crime" is often used by cops (or police) and secret agents (e.g. FBI, CIA, ATF, etc.) in criminal investigations, like when burgulars try to steal money out of banks and consumer products out of homes or when murderers kill people. The word "sin" is often used to refer to things that are against God, like committing adultery and using God's name in vain.  "Sin" is also used to refer to the Seven Deadly Sins. "Crime and Punishment" probably sounds like what Nintendo of Japan actually meant, but that doesn't mean this article should be moved to "Crime and Punishment: Hoshi no Keishōsha", because "Sin and Punishment" is the official English name of the game; however, I'm not sure if it should either use "Tsumi to Batsu: Hoshi no Keishōsha" (due to being a Japan-only game, although being imported to the Virtual Console), "Successor to the Earth" (according to the official info of Saki Amamiya's Assist Trophy at the Smash Bros. Dojo), "Successor of the Earth" (which is considered by many to sound better) or neither (due to the Virtual Console website simply referring to it as "Sin and Punishment"). Parrothead1983 (talk) 23:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps Nintendo wanted to avoid copyright infringement and thus a possible lawsuit by the Dostoevsky estate by calling it Sin and Punishment. Tsumi can be translated as crime or sin, crime has its roots in sin, sin is just a broader concept.Zero no Kamen (talk) 18:43, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Considering the book is from the 19th Century, I don't think that's an issue.  More likely, in my opinion, is simple ignorance -- many otherwise competent translators let slip many proper nouns like these. 68.191.42.175 (talk) 05:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: About the title

message: I removed the paragraph stating that Nintendo wanted the game to be made so they could appeal to an older demographic, and etc. Without sources, the entire paragraph is just speculation. In fact, for all we know, it was probably written by a self-professed "hardcore gamer" who thinks that Nintendo is too "kiddie" and should make more "mature" games. Maybe Treasure approached Nintendo with the idea (either way it is a Treasure original, that much is certain). In any case, I request that the section be left as is until reliable (and I stress reliable) sources can be found.Brittany Ka (talk) 18:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Development Section 

message: Yeah, it needs to be discussed finally.  All too often I see people mistakenly refer to this game as a "rail shooter" when it plays almost nothing like genuine rail shooters such as House of the Dead, Rez, and Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles.  In these games, because the player has no control over movement, they are forced to shoot down hazards to avoid harm.  This is where the term "rail shooter" comes from: you are literally on rails.  This is a fundamentally distinct gameplay approach that Sin and Punishment does not employ.  In Sin and Punishment the player is not on rails--they retain full control over their player avatar at all times--and in most circumstances is able to evade hazards in addition to shooting them down.  Sin and Punishment has functionally identical gameplay to games such as Cabal, NAM-1975, and Wild Guns; the only aesthetic difference is that the playing field appears to scroll forward.  And thus, Sin and Punishment belongs in their genre: "cabal shooters".174.45.178.216 (talk) 21:41, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone brought up a similar point on my talk page a while back. Feel free to look over the discussion; it should still be there as of this writing. I'm not sure why he never made the change. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:32, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been a while but I think that might have been me actually.  I did end up making the change, but it seems there are people determined to revert it back to rail shooter.  I really want to hear their arguments.174.45.178.216 (talk) 02:54, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Genre 

message: Sin and Punishment is listed in the category of  Video games based on novels, but the article makes no mention of this. Is this true or did someone confuse it with Crime and Punishment?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Triosk (talk • contribs) 05:27, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly. I don't think this game is based on any literary work. Not sure why that category was there, I removed it. TarkusAB 16:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Based on novel?