Talk:VIP style

message: Please see USDM and JDM. The "DM" in these terms stands for domestic market, which has definitive legal and commercial meaning. It refers specifically to the home market of a company, with respect to that company's seat of operations. Therefore, there are JDM Hondas, Subarus, Toyotas, Nissans, and Mitsubishis, but no JDM Chevrolets or Chryslers or Audis or Volkswagens or BMWs, etc. European-brand and American-brand vehicles built and intended for sale in Japan are Japanese-market vehicles. Likewise, there are USDM Chevrolets, Dodges, and Cadillacs, but there are no USDM Subarus, Mercedes, Acuras or Saabs (versions of those vehicles sold in the US are US-market vehicles). And, rounding out the trio, there are EDM Citroëns, Volvos, Range Rovers, Renaults and BMWs, but the Chryslers, Mitsubishis, Toyotas and Subarus sold there are European-market vehicles. Ford is a bit of a special case, because there are EDM and USDM Fords...no JDM Fords, though. --Scheinwerfermann 16:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but the problem lies in the names. Infiniti and Lexus were developed for the US Market, even though the base cars originated from Japanese models. So your arguement is moot. Revert back. --293.xx.xxx.xx 10:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, no. Even vehicles designed by a Japanese maker specifically for one particular non-Japanese market are not (x)DM vehicles. Re-read USDM and JDM, and remember we are writing an encyclopedia here, which means facts must needs take precedence over opinions, guesses, and preferred referents...which means that even if you really, really like calling the US-market Camry, for example, a USDM vehicle, it's still not factual and therefore does not belong in an encyclopedia. --Scheinwerfermann 13:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And you never bothered to read the respective articles themselves. The two were first launched in the united States, and then saw acceptance worldwide. Also, USDM is a stub, unreferenced, and as it stands, is completely open to interpritation. Reverting back untill definitive proof can be found. --293.xx.xxx.xx 22:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: USDM vs. US market

message: I would like to propose a merge from bippu to VIP style, as these are the reasons...
# Until I discovered the bippu page on the Wangan Midnight page, I have never heard the term before.
# Also I have never seen anybody use the term in non Japanese speaking countries apart from the odd JDM fanbois, as well as this, as I own two copies of the Japanese magazine VIP Style that is what I always referred the cars as.
# Do bear in mind there is a Japanese Wikipedia page on the same topic called VIPカー (VIP kaa), translated as VIP car. For those who don't understand, that is when you go to the wikipedia's katakana page and copy the first digit, press cntl-F, press paste, then next button and you will get a ka letter.
# On a the recent web hits on google as of this post is: bippu = 10,300   and VIP Style = 252,000 
All this explains the main reason for a merge as bippu to non-Japanese speakers appears to be an obscure term. This merge proposal is also currently been discussed on the WikiProject Automobiles page. Willirennen 18:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you trying to point out that it is not possible to move this page to move this page to VIP style, I'm sorry to say that it is possible and I have done this before. Willirennen 01:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you were doing it wrong. Merge means you want to merge two seperate, but identical pages with the same/similar info together. Since nothing was on VIP style, what you wanted was a Move.--293.xx.xxx.xx 11:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: Should I add some Australian VIP style cars?  Worth noting?  I was thinking of Holden Caprice and Ford Falcon LTD.  Crysler 300C is also American VIP style.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hullo exclamation mark (talk • contribs) 11:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No... this is an anachronism of a Japanese trend most Australians do not want to or cannot understand --2001:8003:640C:4C00:210A:3D59:EDD8:D2E0 (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian VIP Style 

message: I am not convinced it needs to be removed or that it is a neologism. There are multiple citations in Japanese and other youth culture studies articles about the culture of cars in Japan to show there is a significant enough interest in this culture in the anglosphere. One example in English that contains material about the Yakuza/Bosozoku links is as below. Even in my (admittedly poor) Japanese. Reading the Japanese article suggests an acknowledgment of the "stance" car scene among US car culture which also comes from the same roots.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13676260701360683
Unfortunately this isn't my particular area of study to clarify this article completely but it can be significantly improved --2001:8003:640C:4C00:4043:4704:9631:30DF (talk) 08:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs significant work.