Talk:Laki language

message: These Wiki articles on the Laki dialect are dominated by individual propaganda, personal ideology, fantasy, and personal agendas. Many of the individuals who are dominating these articles are attempting to re-write history and portray a false imago of the Laki tribe. In reality, the Laks are very different and share a very different history from what is said about them here on these webpages. Unfortunately, these people have nothing but time on there hands, while the rest of us do not.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakestan (talk • contribs) 11:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  These Wiki articles on the Laki dialect 

message: please do not use weblogs in external link sections, thanks--Pejman47 09:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: weblog

message: Laki Language and articles the like which are based on nothing outside of personal ideas of various virtual individuals, have made Wikipedia a simply-at-hand source to skim materials rather than an adequately reliable scientific source. This, let alone causing socio-ethnic tensions in particular cases, is why scholars and peoples who seek reliable information, regard Wikipedia not seriously in practice.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.219.138.247 (talk) 13:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Then perhaps you should do something about it instead of talking and spreading misconceptions. Yes everyone knows that scholars don't seek their info on Wikipedia, it would be foolish to do so, however it is a good place to start. And quite frankly, obscure articles like this are prone to be subjected to vandalism, as very few are watching them. If it causes socio-ethnic tensions then perhaps that is because people are gullible enough to trust what is said on pages like these and to not second-guess the sources. Wikipedia has never been, and will probably never be a reliable scientific source. Scientists seek knowledge from Actual sources. Now that we have that settled, perhaps you should become a member and try to improve instead of disproportionately pointing out the obvious flaws of Wikipedia. DukeTwicep (talk) 11:28, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia' Unreliablity

message: Since Laki is not really a "language" but a variety of Kurdish (because this article itself, RS, Ethnologue, and the Kurdish languages articles all unanimously say so), it should have a title consistent with other Kurdish articles, i.e. Northern Kurdish, Southern Kurdish, and Central Kurdish. Also, the title should be easily distinguishable from Lak language which is an independent Northeast Caucasian language, not a dialect like Laki. I think we should move this article to "Laki Kurdish" as per these reasons. What do other editors think? Khestwol (talk) 02:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: your suggestion is reasonable, but maybe you can take a look at last edits. According to user:Shadegan, it's not a Kurdish dialect anymore :)--Gomada (talk) 17:15, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title:Laki Kurdish 

message: Dear free Encyclopedia users, as it is evident and I referred to its corresponding references and literature, Laki is and has been an integral part of Lurish community. For decades the title Kurd has attributed to Iranian nomads from total Iran plateau. This phrase included Persian, Lurish and other Iranian nomads. In case of Lurish people, due to significant similarities and interrelationships they were claimed several times by Kurdish separatists to be a branch of so-called Greater Kurdistan. This claim was not welcomed by Lurish community. Then they tried to attach the regions with more similarities. Lak people are the closest part of Lurish community to their Kurdish adjacents. During history, they always have been a part of Luristan, for example Ilam province was known as Poshtkuh Luristan. As well, in 1976 A.D due to their ethnic affiliations and interests, heft of Laki inhabitant regions of Kermanshah province were appended to Luristan province. I do not deny significant similarities between these two ethnic groups, but historical and routine evidences confirm their Lurish identity.  --Shadegan (talk) 07:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, stop to falsify realities with your POV.--Gomada (talk) 16:37, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laki is a dialect of [[Luri language|Lurish language]] not Kurdish 

message: Hello, please look at this and this edits of user:Shadegan. It's important to look at sources. For example, the user:Shadegan added , Erik John Anonby as a so-called source which supports Laki belongs to Luri language. But if you read pages 19 and 20, you can see a comparison of Pish-e Kuh Laki with Kurdish and Luri. After that the author says: Pish-e Kuh Laki is aligned with Kurdish rather than Luri. This is distortion of information. User:Shadegan is also adding some persian sources which can not be checked/proved. Thanks.--Gomada (talk) 14:04, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Another falsifying from User:Shadegan. The source says:Fayli (Faylee, Faili, or Feli) Kurds are, as their name tells, an inseparable segment of the Kurdish population in Iraq and an integral part of the Kurdish nation, which is divided among many countries in the Middle East, mainly Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey. Fayli Kurds have themselves shown, over the years, and still show this fact and reality by words and deeds. They speak a dialect that belongs to the southern Kurdish dialect called Luri which is spoken in the southern areas of Kurdistan proper, particularly on both sides of the border areas between Iraq and Iran. And the user:Shadegan is using this source as a proof of so called Lur identity. Who will stop this vandalism?--Gomada (talk) 11:45, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV-push and reliability of sources 

message: As it was asked by English Wikipedia administrators, I provided some authentic and valid references for Lurish Identity of Feyli Lurs in two edited pages. As you can see in the history of these pages the user User:Gomada has changed and removed these logical and authentic edits. As an old user of Wikipedia I think some users have imagined and counted this invaluable and useful encyclopedia as a farce and mischief area to distort the realities and promote their ethnocentric and ambitious aims. I hope Wikipedia adminstrators and other realistic users help to stop and prevent such inappropriate vandalism efforts.--Shadegan (talk) 13:53, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop your personal attack and show us the mention of Feyli Lurish and Laki Lurish in sources. Where? As I mentioned above, you are falsifying sources.--Gomada (talk) 15:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

text: As everyone can see and trace, there are good and authentic citations and sources mentioned in the page. Don't forget you're not an administrator of English Wikipedia , thus you don't have any authority to remove well-documented citations and edits. Your question in talk page is not related to these edits. Know your right and limits and stop vandalism efforts.--Shadegan (talk) 19:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV-push and Large-scale vandalism effort by user: [[User:Gomada|Gomada]] 

message: , what do you mean by " Ethnocentric edits"? Please, use the talkpage to improve the article. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 12:13, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , you can start by explaining how it is pan-kurdism and why you keep reverting to a version which was a mess with many problems? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

text: , could you please elaborate ? how are these edits "ethnocentrists" ? Is there a problem with the source provided ? Please clarify.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 17:39, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

text: , ,  Excuse me for my late and using some inappropriate phrases by me, as you can see in the edit history, all pages related to Lurish people have been under mass invasion to change their background and identity towards an inappropriate ethnic conflict. You can have a look to the recent edit history of pages: Lurs, Feyli Lurs, Iraqi Lurs, Lak people, Laki language, Southern Lurs, History of the Lurs to find their catastrophic edits. Unfortunately, there are not Lurish users in the English wikipedia to demonstrate the facts butI wonder how some users are doing everything in such a bad way?!! I expect you to help to clarify the facts as you are involved in Iranian topics in English wikipedia. BestSHADEGAN (talk) 13:02, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: What sources do you have a problem with? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

text: There's also a discussion here Talk:Iraqi_Lurs#Interation_of_the_page_in_Feyli_Lurs, but Shadegan still doesn't explain the issues existing with the sources. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 13:11, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discuss instead of revert 

message: Sorry, but i remember when i always check on kurdish wikipedia, laks were described as ethnic kurds and now after i checked today it says they are ethnic laks?? Since when? We have too many laks from zand tribe who says themselves they are kurds, according to others scholars they’ve always been kurds, even some historical famous kurds in 20th century were laki speaker from zand tribe, laki comes from kurdish to southern kurdish dialects 185.187.78.149 (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It has now been changed back. Semsûrî (talk) 12:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity