Talk:Allan Breck Stewart

message: Interesting: appears to have a good source and much more detail than Alan Breck Stewart who evidently is the same chappie, noted for the Appin Murder. Presumably a merge is in order, but which way? ...... dave souza, talk 20:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: merge?

message: I've got to say, I think the article is far, far too short to support quadruple section headers.  It makes the thing suggest that there is a ton more to say about each of these subjects, and there really isn't -- barring new evidence.  This is especially true with the dignifying of fan books as "modern scholarship."  The modern scholarship that I did find was along the lines of "why did Westminster react" and "how bad were conditions in the highlands after the '45" and "was there an actual insurgency?"  I didn't see any scholarly interest in the man, or even the murder, other than the surveys that I put in the further reading.  Geogre 13:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup probably right. They were working headers as I reordered stuff. Actually, there is very little to say here that isn't in Appin murder - but I do intend to research this over the next week(s).--Docg 13:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chop Chop? 

message: Hate the things myself, but In the murder the British government saw the potential danger certainly requires some attribution. What evidence have we that this was the government view?--Docg 20:13, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was in the DNB.  My whole account had been from the DNB, with modifications from anyone who added substantially new material.  Similarly, the "was romantic figure" is attested by the fact that Scott, writing decades later, knows the name and sees in a fictional AS a venerable icon of Jacobite resistance and Stevenson's plucking out of this figure.  In other words, we wouldn't have an article on this guy except that he became a romantic figure.  Geogre 20:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True enough. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the DNB, but I'd still like to see a specific citation for the imputed government view. I'll dig through my history books later.--Docg 20:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It's the very page listed below.  I provided a full citation. Geogre 20:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, if you do research the Appin murder and Allan Stewart, where things are interesting are, as I said above, the documentation of the reaction to the murder.  That's what contemporary historians are interested in.  If this was just a feud killing, then that would have alarmed Westminster.  If it was political assassination, then that would have alarmed Westminster.  What would be intriguing is the reaction in Edinborough.  I haven't seen anyone discussing that, but I didn't have access to the full text of the Scottish History journal.  It would be an interesting field: how did the new Scottish government respond to allegations and fears of clan wars and/or political guerrillas.  Geogre 20:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {facts} 

message: I have removed "Also, Scott's friend describes the old man as wearing "the petit croix of St Louis", but no such decoration existed." In fact the petite croix (small cross) is the insignia of a knight of the Ordre de Saint-Louis, as opposed to the grand'croix. Such a St Louis cross was the usual reward for long service as officer in the king's army, as expected in the case of Stewart. 86.65.59.50 (talk) 15:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of a sentence 

message: To be incorporated into the article when I have time (or, if you're reading this, when YOU have time):
* https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/on-the-run-with-the-jacobite-007-1-1397521
* http://dailysirwalter.blogspot.com/2010/05/red-fox-hunted.html
* https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20130907/282389807156352
Chuntuk (talk) 18:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful links 

message: The Allan Stewart disambiguation page links to this article, whose title has only one L. The Alan Stewart disambiguation page doesn't list Alan Breck at all. This is an internal inconsistency in Wikipedia; I welcome discussion, but preferably here:
Talk:Allan Stewart#Allan Breck Stewart
I'm sure the correct spelling isn't in English at all; so I have no idea how this man's name should be spelled in English.
MrDemeanour (talk) 16:40, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allan Breck Stewart 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved as requested.  Dekimasuよ! 04:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Alan Breck Stewart →  – From what I can see, original documents about the Appin murder (e.g. the trial documents available here: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AXc0AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false) and most later sources discussing the historical figure (e.g. the Dictionary of National Biography entry, the Rosemary Gibson and Seamus Carney books linked as sources) spell his first name with two Ls. The one-L spelling seems to have originated with Stevenson and is generally used to refer to his fictional character rather than the real historical person (of results on the Internet Archive for 'alan breck stewart' dated from before 1886, most are mis-dated and clearly references to Kidnapped, and the ones that are actually pre-1886 all seem to be mis-transcriptions of documents that use the two-L spelling: https://archive.org/search?query="alan+breck+stewart"&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%5B1463+TO+1885%5D). Lochnahiolaire (talk) 19:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 30 December 2023