Talk:Falange Española de las JONS

message: "Symbols Yoke and arrows, the symbol of the Catholic Monarchs." Actually the 5 Arrows are the symbol of the 5 Rothschild brothers. The meaning of the 5 Arrows explained at the Rothschild barons' website:
"In acknowledgement of their dynamic services, the Rothschilds were knighted by Emperor Franz I of Austria in September 1822. They and all their descendants were raised to the title of Baron. They adopted a coat of arms displaying 5 inter-connected arrows in tribute to a legend Mayer Amschel, the founder of the Rothschild dynasty, used to tell his five sons: “Taken one by one, the five arrows are easy to break. Taken together, they are resistant. Always remain united”." 83.84.100.133 (talk) 12:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbolism And The Five Arrows 

message: Could someone provide more information about the role of the Catholic Church in this group? Other entries for fascist groups make it clear how closely they worked together. --192.223.243.6 (talk) 18:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur. On a larger scale, this article needs a description of their political platform. 155.213.224.59 (talk) 19:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Role of the Church

message: Modified name of movement to track Spanish language entry for the Party, see http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falange_Espa%C3%B1ola_Tradicionalista_y_de_las_Juntas_de_Ofensiva_Nacional_Sindicalista  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.104.11 (talk) 14:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  FET y de las JONS

message: "After the party was coopted by Francisco Franco and consolidated with the Carlists, it ceased to have a fascist character (to the extent Fascism is considered revolutionary) inasmuch as Franco was a Monarchist, although it retained many of the external trappings of Fascism"
Dear Dear wikipedists, what an eclectic and clever apology for Franco's dictatorial rule  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:7:8500:982:C4B8:E66B:E68A:9D29 (talk) 22:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is widely recognized as being an authoritarian conservative nationalist movement under the leadership of Franco that while emulating fascism to appeal for support from fascists in Spain and abroad in the 1930s and 1940s, did not have the radical transformative goals of fascism. The Falange is recognized as fascist during Primo de Rivera's leadership. Franco took control of the party and turned it into a Nationalist version of the Republicans' Popular Front movement, incorporating conservative, clerical, and monarchist parties into the Falange. This is not an "apology" for Franco, it is what most scholars regard his regime as, that accusation is slandering editors being apologist is not following the Wikipedia policy of assuming good faith from editors. Please be more constructive with your criticisms.--74.12.195.73 (talk) 17:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ceased to be fascist? 

message: Which is the purpose of the article "falangism". Is it really written as an article about an ideology? I see nothing but haphazardness aside from the 27 points. Not really useful to convey any core ideology.--Asqueladd (talk) 00:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: The conception of the state have a lot of difference. Falange is municipalist and want a National-Syndicalist Repúblic of workers. It's anti-capitalist (read the books of José Antonio and Onésimo Redondo) and spanish nationalism, but it's not fascism! Fascism is autoritarian, falangism not. Fascism is from Mussolini, Falange is from José Antonio. Librepensador0808 (talk) 18:35, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT and WP:SOAPBOXING. I don't know where did you get the crackpot idea that "Falange" wasn't Fascist, at odds with the entire body of academia. Every authoritative scholar recognizes FE de las JONS in the scope of the Fascist momentum of the 1930s. The Fascist character of FE de las JONS is cut and dried as far as the entire corpus of sources go. As you pride yourself to be a librepensador ("freethinker") with additional "0808" stuff, you can stick to your personal views if that makes you feel better of course, but please don't distort the entry with the nonsense above.--Asqueladd (talk) 19:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Falange is not fascist. Change it. 

message: The redirect Falange has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  64.229.90.172 (talk) 17:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Falange]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]