Talk:Francis Parker Yockey

message: I read in Laird Wilcox's 1996 book American Extremists that Willis Carto was opposed to many of the more liberal views espoused by Yokey (apparently, Carto attempted to ignore this and promote choice pro-Nazi and anti-semitic tidbits in The Spotlight). Permission to add this info? 69.248.43.27 02:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relations With  [[Willis Carto]] 

message: Philosophy is defined on Wikipedia as "Philosophy is the study of general problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, truth, beauty, justice, validity, mind, and language." Therefore, it is entirely accurate to say that he was a philosopher. I did modify the term to "political philosopher" since that is the area with which he dealt the most, however.
--Jbmorgan4 (talk) 18:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he's mostly concerned with politics and political doctrines, instead of "philosophy" in conventional sense (i.e. ontology, epistemology, ethics). Even Ayn Rand, whose status as philosopher became an edit war on Wikipedia, pondered and wrote on those fundamental philosophical issues, while Yockey has concerned himself exclusively in politics. George W. Bush has formulated his political doctrine (Bush Doctrine), but he is not a philosopher, not even a political philosopher. Wandering Courier (talk) 18:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

text: His work after all is named Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics. Derpian (talk) 03:47, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: On calling Yockey a "philosopher"

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message: I am inclined to put back the piece: "Although he [= Yockey] was a devotee of Oswald Spengler (who was critical of the Nazis)," - which was removed by Treybien on 25th June. That^ statement is correct, and it is important. Spengler criticised the anti-Semitic policies of the Nazis - despite the fact that in the mid-1930s they were still 'mild' compared with the appalling horrors which would unfold in the 1940s --DLMcN (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yockey and Spengler 

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message: There are plenty of pictures of Yockey available--could we upload one?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.254.237.80 (talk) 04:42, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
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message: Yockey was an antisemite, a Nazi sympathizer, a fascist, and a white nationalist. The sky is blue. Any disagreement? Mewnst (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting all of those designations in the lede in that form fail to properly show complexity of his views since his relation to all those worldviews require more detailed elaborations. For example, he did support National Socialism, but he also disagreed with it on some topics, namely about race, as illustrated by his book Imperium. Also, a "pan-European nationalist" and "Spenglerian" would be good characterizations of his views as well. ArsenalAtletico2017 (talk) 20:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you arguing that Yockey wasn't those things, or are you arguing that he was those things but that you prefer to use different terms? Mewnst (talk) 21:47, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yockey was all of those things but he was more than that, for instance he was also a spy of sorts, the point is that making this the emphasis for people who want know about his political contacts for example and the implications that had in the broader cold war. StrongALPHA (talk) 18:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In a sense he was also a philosopher and a "Spenglerite", etc (all the things that ArsenalAtletico2017) mentioned above, because those things were a major influence on the writting he put out. I mean we could all start putting White Supremacist into the first sentence about Hegel or Kant because of their obviously racist attitudes. StrongALPHA (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pertaining to recent edit conflicts 

message: I have redirected to this article from The Enemy of Europe after that article was deemed to be not notable by a rough talk page consensus (with one editor dissenting). If anyone would like to argue for recreating that article, feel free to do so here. Generalrelative (talk) 03:49, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect from [[The Enemy of Europe]] 

message: Hi . It looks like you added some sfn citations to Lee 2013. Are these references to The Beast Awakens? And if so, do the page numbers come from the 1997, 2000, or some later version? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:39, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for checking. I just switched the refs to 2000. Llll5032 (talk) 15:10, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. One Lee 2013 left Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That ref should have been Goodrick-Clarke, fixed. Llll5032 (talk) 15:56, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Similar question but for Goodrick-Clarke 2003. Looks like the paperback came out that year, but our only full ref is to the 2002 version. Do you remember which you used? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: 2003, thanks. Llll5032 (talk) 15:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lee citations 

message: I´m going to delete the claim that Schmitt had a copy of Imperium, unless someone else here has evidence of the specific. I want to get to the bottom of who placed this article under need of better verification. StrongALPHA (talk) 15:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence  

message: I understand that it comes from the Coogan, but let me look at it again I think the book itself includes alternate sources for the claims it makes. StrongALPHA (talk) 17:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  I would like to add a section on Alexander Scharf 

message: I understand some of it like mentioning H.G. Wells may sound a bit generic, but there is a point to this, that this was a subject that highly interested Yockey. In the case of Wells, I only mention it because it was found in his suitcase alongside the occult material that the FBI took at the time of his suicide. StrongALPHA (talk) 18:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philosophy and Occult 

message: in his work Imperium he states there have been 5 Millenium of history. Implying belief in a 5,000 or so year old Earth. 2600:1702:CC7:1A20:7DB7:6AFE:EBD0:A75F (talk) 03:04, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If a reliable source notices this and mentions it, we can use it. If not, we cannot. We do not scan the person's writings for stupid ideas, we let secondary sources do that. See WP:OR. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: if I find the exact Citation, will you include it? 2600:1702:CC7:1A20:7DB7:6AFE:EBD0:A75F (talk) 02:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: It is on Page 21 of Imperium. A simple reading of a pdf of the novel will confirm this, striaght from Yockey himself. 2600:1702:CC7:1A20:7DB7:6AFE:EBD0:A75F (talk) 02:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a reliable source. See also WP:PRIMARY. We do not scan the output of crackpots to collect all the weird ideas they have. Instead, we let reliable secondary sources do that. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

text: He's not, in some of his other writing he distinguishes physical time from organic time, with there being approximately 5000 years of organic time (Organic time starting when the first High Culture came to be). 2601:1C0:5083:A280:C434:929D:A906:199 (talk) 00:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yockey a Young Earth Creationist? 

message: To say that Yockey called for a right wing pan European empire would be correct but to say it would be neo-nazi is abnormal given how he believed that race was more so cultured based not geneticly and saying it was dedicated to hitler is strange given although he said it was dedicated to the hero of world war 2. the ideologies of Hitler and Yockey were different i.e according to Yockey a Jewish person could become a westener if he renounced his Jewish beliefs and assimilated to westerner culture Waterdrinker11 (talk) 19:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: look, i don´t personally care too much either wy, I am neutral on this topic, but its not completely wrong to describe as being "Neonazi" bearing in mind that the nazi movement included many people who disagreed with the racial views of Hitler, just look at the differences between him Rosenberg and Himmler. StrongALPHA (talk) 00:09, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Rosenberg made the Nazi racial hierarchy. The only real difference being Rosenberg and Himmler was religion. Himmler and Rosenberg thought that Germany was the heart of the west while Yockey believed that all western cultures were the heart of the Western superculture. Waterdrinker11 (talk) 16:52, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Per the cited RS, Imperium  and it is  Llll5032 (talk) 17:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neo-Nazi European empire?