Talk:Kenshiro Abbe

message: Several changes were made with the most basic reducing the list of dates to something more in line with wiki policy.  I'll admit to getting tired and hence a little fast with the deletions but the article should be about Abbe not different organizations or students.  Further, the way the article read Abbe's introduction of martial arts to Europe was single handed - not quite true.  I tried to introduce a little less POV.  There are preferences for articles about the martial arts outlined in karate=yes and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles).  Main point here is removing titles.  I have one question - what was he chief instructor of with the Kyoto police.  I'll modify the sentence in a couple of days if no one chimes in.Peter Rehse 09:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates

message: I was surprised to see the that outcome of this discussion was not to rename or move this page, especially as even one of the two editors opposing the proposal (unwittingly?) used an argument in favour of renaming, namely: Abbe is [ ... ] the most widely used version.
I'm sure the renaming debate will reappear in the future, so for future reference, editors might like to consider the following pages for Japanese celebrities, for which the commonly-used spellings of their names have been chosen in preference to the "correct" Romanized Japanese. 
*Maki Ohguro
*Kohmi Hirose
*Kenji Johjima
*Sadaharu Oh
Hopefully it will become apparent that Kenshirō Abe is not the most appropriate title for this article. DAJF 02:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Postscript on requested move -- Old

message: I have failed this article because
*It severely lacks references
*The references that are presented fail WP:RS. Some are hosted on geocitites or the recreational website of a university member
*Teh picture needs a more thourough Fair Use rationale
*Lead is used inappropriately. The birth details should not be in the lead. The lead is supposed to summarise the core features of the article.
*The anecdotal section at the bottom needs to be incorporated into the article better. IF it is an example which shows his style or character, then perhaps a style section should be made. An anecdote section separately is unencyclopedic. Some of the anecdotes are especially POV 
*One line sentences need to be integrated into paragraphs to express a key idea.
Best regards. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 07:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: The photo is from either late 1963 or early 1964. The poster behind him advertises the Royal Albert Hall judo championships in 1963 and reads:
NATIONAL JUDO CHAMPIONSHIPS
THE ROYAL ALBERT HALL
Manager CM Hoffer (?)
Saturday 23rd November 1963 at 7.30pm
Demonstrations of 
Judo Karate
Kendo Aikido
etc.
Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 20:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the information. The caption on the photograph on Wikipedia claims that the picture is a "photograph of Kenshiro Abbe shortly after his arrival in the UK" (hence the change to c. 1955). The poster detail you have supplied obviously contradicts that. I looked for a larger version and found this and this; interestingly, the first source gives Abbe's kendo master's first name, which I haven't seen anywhere else. Janggeom (talk) 00:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of photograph in infobox 

message: Originally posted on Jessehp10's talk page just now:
Hello Jessehp10, I note that you have again removed Henry Ellis from the notable students section in the Kenshiro Abbe article. I do not see any justification for you to do so; as you can see in the article, Ellis was a student of Abbe and has written several articles and at least one book about him. If you believe that Ellis should not be listed, please specify your reasons. On a related note, I see that you have been inserting Leon Mason as a notable student, but a Google search shows no evidence that he was a notable student of Abbe, or even that he was a student of him at all. If you believe that Mason should be listed, please supply appropriate references in the articles. I also note that you removed a citation tag noting that references were needed for Mason's inclusion, without supplying any references to address the concern. This makes it difficult to continue assuming good faith. I trust this feedback helps. Janggeom (talk) 09:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feedback to Jessehp10 

message: I have nominated this article for GA review. I believe that it meets the standards for promotion to GA class, but if this turns out not to be the case, I would appreciate any constructive feedback on improving the article. Thank you. Janggeom (talk) 07:48, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has a dead link that unfortunately is used multiple times. In some cases, there is also a backup link so perhaps you could just remove it. In other cases, you will have to find a substitute reference to cite. Regards, Xtzou (Talk) 12:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your note, but I tried the link just now and the article is accessible. Janggeom (talk) 12:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nomination

message: I deleted an edit that introduced material about Reg Bleakman, who claimed to have developed his style Atemi Jutsu with Kenshiro Abbe. Bleakman has been a controversial figure in UK martial arts and the claims made about him should be taken with a pinch of salt. See for example this thread on the Judo Forum in which Bleakman's supposed relationship to Abbe is discussed. Certainly there are no reliable sources to cite here. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 10:23, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reg Bleakman 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Possible subject area for inclusion in the article: Peter Thornley, best known as the original masked British version of Kendo Nagasaki 
Claims to have studied judo under Abbe before turning to wrestling after losing a finger.  He makes this claim in his biography Kendo Nagasaki - The Man Behind The Mask and in various media interviews such as 1, 2 3 and 4.   The association has been listed in print as far back as 1970 - example 4 which also makes the claim - repeated in Thornley's biography 48 years later - that the sword Thonrley used in character as Nagasaki was a gift from Abbe.   This slide show of the photo album Abbe's former aide Bill Reeve shows Thornley on the right at 4:26 - Kev Chadwick, the son of one of the other two people in the photograph identifies his father plus Thornley and the third person in the picture in the comments section below. 62.190.148.115 (talk) 14:21, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Have added about Thornley's claims of study under Abbe.  Thornley's appearance in Bill Reeve's photo album can go in some day if either (1) the photo album is published in a book or magazine, or (2) a reliable source makes mention of the Youtube upload and Thonrley's appearance in it.  In either of these two cases, the secondary source should be cited rather than the actual Youtube video.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Peter Thornley]]