Talk:The End of Eternity

message: Though this analog of Asimovs books is close to complete, and mentions many after the fact coincidences, it fails to mention Foundation and Earth. In the end of this story, the character Daneel clearly states and takes time to explain the story of the eternals, and the fact that they were very responsible for the Foundation universe to be devoid of alien lifeforms(aside from Solarians). Yet right before the complete ending of the story, eludes to the existence of an alien being among them, namely the Solarian child Daneel will use as his bodily vessel. Reading the Novels out of sequence is a serious problem to most series, but i find constantly that Asimov took painstaking care to remove any doubt in the readers mind in his vast and sometimes several chapter prolouges (which can be a bit draining if you are in fact reading a series in correct order, but I'll forgive him of that for his need not to leave anyone in the dark).
: I moved this comment here because it wasn't worded properly for an article and also no source was given.  I don't recall the Eternals being mentioned in Foundation and Earth, though I may be wrong.  But if they are mentioned, please give the exact words.  --GwydionM 17:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You also wiped out the end of the article.--GwydionM 17:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection 

message: Reading too much into the book, I would say that
:Asimov suggested that
::loop corrections to reality form a source of genius.    Hillgentleman 15:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Genius

message: Nothing - I think;
But later he would notice that Eternity is not there anymore.Hillgentleman 11:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What would someone in a Reality feel, at the physiomoment it is changed?

message: Not to Enrico Fermi, probably.  She said it was going to be a small change.
She only said she was going to write a letter to Italy.
One innocent looking question to a student or a collegue, or even a letter on an unrelated matter to the shopkeeper near where Fermi lived would be good enough.
Hillgentleman 22:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, it is not specified, though I'd have thought it natural to write to the man himself.  I have adjusted the text.  --GwydionM 15:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks.  In fact, I had a big question mark at the words "small change" in my book, until I read it again.Hillgentleman 05:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Whom Did Noÿs Lambent Write? 

message: We may try to attribute our poor memory to the I cannot remember what.Hillgentleman 22:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reality Change ==> Poor Memory ? 

message: #Should physio-time be the same as proper time in physics?  Curiously, the path integral formalism appeared at about the same time as did <<The End of Eternity>>.Hillgentleman 05:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a math degree and it was fun trying to rationalize the way time behaves here.  My interpretation is that time in this novel has 2 dimensions, not one.   One dimension contains what we would consider the historical time line.  The second time dimension contains layers of historical timelines, each one "earlier" or "later" than another.  Each Reality Change creates another, "later" layer.  The most "Recent" timeline is what the book calls "Reality".  When Harlan and Noys short-circuit the creation of time travel, their version of Reality is made "permanent".  The second time dimension is what Asimov calls "physio-time".CharlesTheBold (talk) 14:04, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

text: I think that the concept of "Physio-Time" is so cool that it should be included and explained in the page. I don't think 2-dimensional time is enough to explain the nature of temporal field, time travel, and time changes in this novel. At the very least we have three dimensions, possibly infinite.Marjeta42 (talk) 19:25, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Physio-Time

message: In the context,  I would think that it did, because Harlan's decision was firm, and the consequence irreversible.
But it was not explicitly stated as such, and Harlan did not notice the Change for a while, because he was too absorbed by the scenery. --Hillgentleman 01:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Did the Final Change occur immediately?

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:The End of Eternity.jpg

message: ... -- AnonMoos (talk) 03:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Recently-added movie link already dead

message: Could "Some people consider it his best work, or at least one of his best." be considered weasel word? If so, then it should be fixed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.189.153 (talk) 03:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel word? 

message: The entire Plot Analysis section seems to clearly violate WP:NOR in that it makes a lot of subjective claims about the book without making a single citation. In fact, the notion of a Plot Analysis section (unless it were a summary of prominent views with citations) seems to me like it would always inherently violate this policy. If no one objects, I'd like to remove it. His Ryanness (talk) 21:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That section was originally part of the synopsis section. The header was added here. - jc37 00:55, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, cool. It seems well thought out and all, but unfortunately it doesn't really belong on Wikipedia imho, so I've removed it. His Ryanness (talk) 00:04, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Analysis and original research 

message: I don't see the translation section as being informative. Obviously, someone put in a lot of work. But I think it is basically filler. Can we delete, or simply say "X has been translated into Y languages"? AAABBB222 (talk) 17:51, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete translations section? 

message: I don't doubt that it was, but I'd like to read the source as I'm interested in what, exactly, they found objectionable about any sociological ideas discussed in the book. I know that many science fiction novels in the USSR were censored and that authors and writers were told that any advanced alien race or future human society must be depicted as having communistic economic relations - is this the reason for the book's censorship in the Soviet publication? That the far future human societies described were not communist in character? The plot summary and character descriptions describe a woman from a distant future who is from an "aristocratic" class, something which would likely be inconceivable according to Soviet ideology at the time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:C500:9C50:70FB:5F4A:7173:C467 (talk) 18:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for statement asserting censorship in Soviet edition of 1966? 

message: I don't always closely follow edits to this article, but in response to the claim that "intertemporal trade isn't mentioned in the novel", it's actually mentioned on the very first page of the novel! ("exporters of certain types of distilled potables to nearly everywhen")... AnonMoos (talk) 02:16, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  intertemporal trade