Talk:Monarchianism

message: I've edited according to the discussions below whilst relying on the Catholic encyclopedia article Monarchian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.197 (talk) 09:32, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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message: Modelism (>Modalism) is what the 1st Century Church (Apostolic) practiced and believed. They where (>were) still sons of the law. Read Deuteronomy 6:4: It states that God is One! This is the basis for the entire law. Jesus came to fulfill the law. In order to do that, Jesus would have to be fully God and fully man. The invisable (>invisible) God of the Old Testament would have to become visable (>visible) in the New Testament. God became man and dwelt among us: Read Matthew: His name shall be called Immanuel, being literally interpretted (>interpreted) God with us! Jesus is the Father incarnate in human flesh and that is what modelism (>modalism) seeks to show.
You must remember that from the conception of the church they where (>were) modelistic (>modalistic) in their beliefs. It was not until between 230 to 250 AD that the Catholics show up on the scene and create the doctrine called the Trinity. And it is not until 325 AD at the council of Nicaea that the (>they) lock out the Montenasts (>Montanists) (Apostolics) which where (>were) 2/3rds of the church and make the Trinity the dominate (>dominant) doctrinal view of the church. Caesar Constantine help (>helped) the Catholics lock out the Montenasts (>Montanists) (Apostolics) in 325 AD. And it was at that point that Christianity merged with Pagan. Read the Book of Revelations (>Revelation) and the 3rd Church, a mixture of Christian and a mixture of Pagan. This is what Jesus showed John in the book of Revelation. The 4th Church is also Catholic and it is a dead church and Jesus command to John was to warn people to come out, because nobody was being saved in this church! To this day, that is the state of the Catholic Church.
Modelists (>Modalists) today are Apostolics. The United Pentecostal Church is the largest of these groups and is the fastest growing church in North America and one of the fastest growing christian churches in the World. And its view is the same as the 1st Century Church, God is ONE (Oneness). Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles, not names of God, but manifestations of God in relation to humanity. Jesus is God in the flesh. Only God can forgive sin, that is what the Pharisees crucified Jesus for, declaring that he infact (>in fact) was God. Note that Jesus told the people of Israel, the Pharisees, and Govenor (>governor) Pilot (Pilate) that he was the "I AM." In the Old Testament that was the closest name to God. Jehovah, Yahwey, Adoni, and 72 names in all where only descriptive. I AM was what God told Moses his name was! That is what Jesus identified himself with when he walked this Earth! Jesus is the Father, Jesus is the Son, Jesus is the Holy Ghost, and Jesus is God manifest in human flesh. God incarnate in a human body, reconciling the world unto himself!
:For some unknown reason User:Zsinj has restored this rant to the article.
I'm loving the rant. You may have not heard of it but the New Church has almost identical teachings about the Oneness of God, and the christological and theological system that backs it up is very thorough and coherent. I'm glad your church is growing so fast. This is exactly the direction the Lord wants us to be moving. Check out The New Church to compare with Oneness Pentecostals.
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Ignatius of Antioch (martyred some time between 107 and 115 AD) must have known the apostles, and he totally rejects monarchian modalism. He was in a far better position than we are to know how the apostles understood the relationship of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Copey 2 09:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: Medieval and modern disputes over the Filioque have re-awoken ancient controversies over monarchianism, with Eastern Orthodox theologians arguing in favour of a monarchy of the Father, while rejecting the related theological label. ADM (talk) 13:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: Monarchism and Arianism share no similarity, they were diametrically opposed movements. Confusion has arisen because some label Theodotianism as Dynamic Monarchianism (Adoptionism) this is a historically attested error of categorisation.
Are there relevant similarities, and therefore relevant distinctions, between these two theologies/Christologies that are pertinent to this article? Tomertalk 06:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They are similar in that both say that the Son is not unbegotten (i.e. he was begotten and had a beginning). Not sure that this warrants mention though. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:52, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
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