Talk:Bern

message: Finally, the "National Reach Around Festival" has been removed from the festivals section.  I noticed it over 2 years ago when consulting Wikipedia before a trip to Bern.  Curious, I asked a friend who lived there if there was such as thing, and she had never heard of it.  I checked the history page and found the National Reach Around Festival had been added years ago.  
I considered removing the entry, but I didn't want to rob future travelers of the joy of trying to imagine the logistics of such a festival.  Kudos to whoever listed it, and to whoever lives at 84.75.118.108 for finally removing it!  Although I am a bit sad to see it go.  I've been spreading the word about the Festival for 2 years hoping life would imitate art.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.75.162.188 (talk) 01:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Reach Around Festival 

message: On :de:Diskussion:Schweiz is a discussion documented, which declares, that Bern is not the capital of Switzerland but the "Bundesstadt" which has a different meaning, but is in fact nearly the same.
--193.134.254.115 08:52, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital 

message: Without wanting to appear pedantic, there are a few issues in this article with regar to spelling consistency: theatre, for instance, is used in both its US and UK variant. Judging from the use of movie theater for cinema and from Berne's English name rendered as rhotic [], I suspect the initial target was American English. I therefore suggest modifying the few British variants into their American counterparts. JREL 21:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling consistency 

message: The lists in this article must be cleaned up. Right now the article looks more like a tourist brochure than a encyclopedic article. /Grillo 13:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List cleanup 

message: Can/will someone please, explain, and/or add, to this article regarding these two spelling forms of the city? I also am conerned with the Bern Trial vs. the Bern Trial.
: Thanks, Ludvikus 07:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Essentially, Bern is the locally used (High) German form, while Berne is the French and traditional English form. Our usage is inconsistent, and I'm thinking of setting up a RfC about it. Sandstein 21:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, done, please see Talk:Canton_of_Berne#Spelling_request_for_comment. Sandstein 22:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bern]] vs. [[Berne]] 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support as nom. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 14:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey, 2008

message: At Talk:Canton_of_Berne#Spelling_request_for_comment, there is an extended discussion on the topic. Please contribute-- User:Docu
: That discussion gives the impression of being dead. As you'll see from my nom, I'd already seen it. Besides the fact that native names for modern cities are always preferable (for me) per se, the evidence I've seen shows conclusively this city is predominantly called Bern. Besides that, it's wrong to give the impression that the city is French when its actually, like most of Switzerland, (Swiss) German. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 12:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  We should reopen the discussion. --DerRichter (talk) 21:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I think it should be changed, and not discussed any longer. "Traditional" English is not necessarily correct. (See Basel v. Basle).  I would say that the current spelling is what should be used and the predominant current English is Bern. RickH86 (talk) 15:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree for the city, officially recorded as German-speaking, but not for the canton, officially bilingual, where the usual (maybe old) exonym should prevail. The Bernese themselves may vote against this idea, since such a move sanctions their loss of political clout ;-) . Clpda (talk) 22:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: this sounds reasonable. There appears to be a tendency in English language sources in recent decades to move closer to the 'native' spelling. I am sure it would have been Berne all the way 30 years ago, but now it may actually be true that Bern is winning out. As with Zürich/Zurich, we can go either way here. --dab (𒁳) 08:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

text: It should be moved to Bern. I recently noticed that The New York Times also uses Bern.[1][2][Bern Travel Guide]--Ami in CH (talk) 01:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Having the page at Berne is particularly inappropriate when the city is specifically mentioned in Wikipedia:WikiProject Swiss municipalities/Article title conventions.  That clearly states that Bern should be used.  The convention goes on to quote two instances where the traditional English names of cities should be used : Lucerne rather than Luzern and Geneva rather than Genève.  In view of this the page should move back to Bern. Skinsmoke (talk) 03:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is Wrong, Wrong and Wrong. It's so annoying that Swiss german people, often being employed on some jobs, do complete wrong translation into their own language or habits that suddenly are reported as being the "only right" name. They do it for French too, it's what we call "Français Fédéral" (i.e. transforming other names or nouns into their own appreciation of another foreign language.) These people might work for Berne Tourism or even might edit the  official and administrative web-servers of Switzerland, and then, as they are "supposed" to translate and take care of English content, they just write "Bern" in English as they would do in their own language. The Website of the Canton uses in English "Berne". The city of the canton uses in English "Berne". Even the Embassy of the UK in Switzerland uses "Berne". To what it may be, England still "owns" the "invention" of English. And if it's a matter of the number of speakers and then that in the US, they use "Bern", well then the Indian Embassy also uses "Berne" with an -e. We have to respect the original spelling of how it was intended to be and historically too. Diplomacy often used French for a long time, and you can look around Europe, where you have a French translation of a city, you might find some pretty similar translations into English when it doesnt vary radically: examples: Roma (DE), is "Rome" (FR/EN), Prag (DE) is "Prague" (FR/EN), München is "Munich" (FR/EN), Lisbon (EN) is closer to Lisbonne (FR) than Lissabon (DE), Copenhagen (EN) is closer to Copenhague (FR) than to Kopenhagen (DE) with a K-. I could keep on longer. We have the same problem, now we can read "Canton of Zürich" with umlaut, when the umlaut doesn't even exist in English and the Airport of Zurich (probably the most exposed use for English speakers and foreigners) uses the English form without Umlaut neither. Even the only English-speaking Airline (Flybe) that goes to Berne Airport writes "Berne" on its website in English. I keep on saying that Wikipedia should refer to "what it is in reality, officially" and not "what the majority of people think it is". The European Union uses "Berne" in its English communiqués . Even Reuters uses Berne in its US edition . And if NYTimes "uses" Bern, it also uses "Berne" and that was not "30 years ago", but in 2009 :-) .  As for example, my village is found on GoogleMaps only in its German version. And 99% of the people there do speak French as a mothertongue. And GoogleMaps keeps on using the german name once introduced when Canton of Berne received this land and colonised it after 1815 and made it "official" because the people who gave the maps' names to GoogleMaps have been german-speaking people coming from a german speaking city, with a german speaking canton. Is it supposed to say that my village should be written in English "Illfingen" instead of "Orvin"? The answer is definitely "no". The Canton itself names itself "Berne". It's the exact same terminology problem with the City of Bienne in English, introduced as the "City of Biel" in English because people working at the Tourist desk and the City information are swiss-germans. Enough of this Germanisation of Swiss names, even here on Wikipedia. And if one has to refer to the majority of the language spoken there, well sorry but then, the local "official" name should be "Bärn" and nothing else... -User:Ngagnebin 23:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Berne/Bern/Berna

message: Really amazing that 1 - there is no mention of Paul Klee immigration to Bern and his long-term residence there!  2- no mention either of Switzerland's largest museum and one of the most impressive in the world = Zentrum Paul Klee - Completed in 2007 - It is of outstanding architecture and truly one of the world's great art collections + an edicational and multilingual center that blows people away!  How can this possibly have been overlooked??? One of the greatest Expressionist painters of all times and an incredible monument to him!  Wow!  
Furthermore, there is the National Art Gallery of Switzerland which has prehistoric to contemporary collections and after Paul Klee it is indeed Switzerland's 2nd largest museum and it houses in incredible collection including Duccio's Maesta!!!! see:  http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/d/duccio/buoninse/4bern.html      -How can any one go to Bern and not bother to go see the Maesta which is world famous and anyone who has taken the most rudimentary art history class has studied in-depth!  This article is revulting!!!!!!!  205.172.16.60 (talk) 06:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Please read WP:SOFIXIT.  Sandstein  08:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Zentrum Paul Klee? and the Maesta???!!!!!

message: When I visited Berne many years ago, I was struck by the many Tea gardens or Tea shops, contrasting sharply with the many coffee shops elsewhere in Europe.  They were especially numerous near the clock tower shown in the article, under the arcades.  Is this still to be found? If someone knows, can it be added to the article?  --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tea gardens? 

message: question for the native speakers: which one is correct "quality of living" or "quality of life", or both? mercer calls it "quality of living", but they may be wrong. --Ajnem (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I would use "quality of life", but as Mercer compile the list and call it "quality of living" then I would use that description in the article. Skinsmoke (talk) 18:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  quality of living or quality of life 

message: At the moment, all Swiss articles seem to suffer from the same problem. To begin with, would someone please how to edit the population figure in the infobox? The line with population that comes up when clicking on edit is not the one actually displayed in the infobox, the latter is not possible to access in any way I've discovered. For most cities, the population figure shown come with a reference (not found anywhere in the editable version) that does not contain any data to support the population. Quite often there's a different population figure given in the text. In other words, most articles in Swiss cities suffer from three problems:
 - A population figure that it is not possible to edit.
 - This population figure is usually unsourced (the source provided does not support the claim)
 - A different population figure is often found in the main body of the article.
Jeppiz (talk) 15:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The population information found in the infoboxes is found as follows:
* It goes for the parameter "populuation" of the infobox as 
|population		    =  |populationof = 
* The swiss population is then taken from template .
* The reference for the swiss population is taken from .
The swiss population templates can be found at :Category:Swiss_populations_data_templates and more info on the infobox can be found at . Hope this helps.Smallman12q (talk) 03:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors with most articles on Swiss cities

message: Take a look at this Wiki article about the god Gobannus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobannus The name of a possible town called Brenodor appears. Also "Nantaror"-a possible connection with Aar river valley("Nant" means "lower-delta-valley" regarding rivers and Aar is ismilar with my romanian word for river-"rau"). Now, call me crazy, but Brenodor might be the ancient name of Bern. I'm not trying to teach you guys a lesson, but the coincidence is huge! Or maybe is Brenodor(f)! The germanic "dorf" is the same with my thracian "dava" or obviously english "town". Maybe the simplest explanation is the correct one: if the Bern zinc tablet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bern_zinc_tablet was discovered in Bern, then the name "Brenodor" is about Bern. Bigshotnews 17:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "The etymology of the name Bern is uncertain. It is not a direct derivation of Brenodor" was added only after my intervention about the Bern Zinc Tablet. So it's obvious that the author of the quoted text is just upset that i've partially cracked this mistery. Bigshotnews 19:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Are there any reliable sources for this theory or is it just WP:OR? Tobyc75 (talk) 02:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bern as Brenodor? 

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message: The article states "German is the official language but people speak German Swiss instead". That is ridiculous! The dialect is *called* Swiss German, but it is nothing more than a German dialect, not a real language. If you want to compare the Swiss situation with the USA, you could say: "The official language in Texas is English but the Texans speak Texan English" - see? It's only a dialect. 06:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest, first of anything else, you start to read some background information before you continue to complain, such as: Swiss German, Swiss Standard German, Diglossia, German, Standard German (preferably in the German space, where you get much more information) ... and then you ask a German linguist about this issue, if you still have an open issue. Have fun! ZH8000 (talk) 09:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

text: And by the way, it would definitely be more helpful for your arguments, if you would citate correctly, instead of complaining wrong, or non-written things. Nowhere is written that it is called "German Swiss". You just read it the wrong way! And finally, if you do not know how to behave and to write in a decent and respectful way, we cannot really assume you are a grown-up person. ZH8000 (talk) 09:23, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swiss German is not a real language only a German dialect 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 12:34, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Bern]] 

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message: User:JosVan has doubts he can create an article about Bern Expo. See here.— Vchimpanzee •  talk • contributions •  15:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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