Talk:En passant

message: Isn't it subjective to describe this move as "special"? ISaveNewspapers (talk) 22:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically agree, but Quale's use of the word is justified & useful, IMO. (Justfied in that, as described in article, the only capture move finishing on an empty square; also special as only move w/ optional e.p. notation appendage. Useful in that the word solicits reader's attention for improved comprehension in what follows: explanation of a "weird" move, especially for beginners, often misunderstood. Castling is also a special move, but "special" probably isn't as warranted in that article since readers/beginners are probably at least more familiar w/ castling than w/ e.p.) For one succinct word, it packs alot of punch, IMO. --IHTS (talk) 23:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought about whether the description of en passant as a special move was warranted, but the text I changed was awful and urgently needed to be replaced.  If you Google "en passant" you will find the "special" description is not uncommon online.  But I checked :The Oxford Companion to Chess to make sure: "en passant, a special method of capturing....". Quale (talk) 03:05, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Since en passant translates to "in passing", which of the following sentence structures is correct/makes sense?: "In passing is a special method of capturing ..." or "In passing is a special move ...". (Answer: the first one. But I still prefer the latter.) --IHTS (talk) 03:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, I like that first one. I had never thought about it that way. ISaveNewspapers (talk) 21:46, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the phrase "in passing" is undoubtedly an adverb or adjective modifier (and how I coughed up "En passant describes ..." that gave Quale a cow), so w/ be warm to changing current lede sentence to: "En passant  (,  "in passing") is a special method of capturing in chess that occurs when a pawn captures a horizontally adjacent enemy pawn ...". Am also warm to the current "En passant is a special move in chess that occurs ...", even if less correct, since it has the virtue of stopping any potential confusion immediately. --IHTS (talk) 01:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

text: This finally prompted me to google "en passant special", and I see just about everything, including "special way that pawns capture pawns", "special type of pawn capture", "special pawn capture", "special moves", and whatever.  I do not object to anything you've proposed so far. Bruce leverett (talk) 00:10, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "special" 

message: Hooper & Whyld (1996) uses "ep" not "e.p.". (Am no linguist, seems the periods don't make sense, but have seen it lots.) Will chg to "ep" everywhere found unless consensus says not!? Cheers, --IHTS (talk) 22:10, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't see either "ep" or "e.p." much in game scores.  I am not sure that either one is more correct than the other.  Changing one to the other when you come across it doesn't sound like a way to improve things.  But if we are being inconsistent in a noticeable way, such as inconsistent within an article, that would be worth fixing. Bruce leverett (talk) 22:28, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: FIDE Laws of Chess Appendix C specifies "e.p.", so looks like both are correct. ("ep" seems cleaner & more in tune w/ shortening of notation per notation evolution history, and methinks we s/ use it, but oh well.  ) --IHTS (talk) 22:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Yeah of course it's rarely used, but not dead yet so needs mention. Dropping the periods per H&W was smart, putting another bullet in it. ;) --IHTS (talk) 22:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbreviation 

message: Should we address the misconception that en passant is forced? Not sure how common this misconception is, but I do see it arising from time to time. ComeAndHear (talk) 03:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "Making the capture is optional, unless there is no other legal move." I think we have it covered. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 05:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Must have missed that. Do you think it belongs in the lede? ComeAndHear (talk) 11:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's needed. Casual players are typically not even aware of the rule, let alone have any misconceptions about it. I don't think this misunderstanding is common. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 20:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misconceptions about en passant 

message: "This article is written like a personal reflection, personal essay, or argumentative essay that states a Wikipedia editor's personal feelings or presents an original argument about a topic.  (May 2024)" 
I don't see how this is any of those types of essays.  It clearly states the rule and gives examples.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, I don't think that tag is appropriate. It's intended for articles that might potentially violate NPOV, which is not the case here. The other issue, the complete lack of sources for the rules in chess variants, is valid. In fact I wouldn't mind seeing that section disappear altogether. About all that can be said on the topic is that some Western chess variants include the en passant rule or a variation of it. I don't think this is very interesting or important information. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 09:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that is sufficient.  I have Pritchard's big book of variations, so I could check.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Essay? 

message: He also acknowledges that the rule was not universal at the time. I have a copy of the recent English translation. It's very wordy but I can quote chapter and verse if you like. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 03:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruy Lopez discusses en passant