Talk:Firby (surname)

message: I would propose turning this page into a disambiguation page for the various places called Firby and putting the info from this article into the relevant place articles.
Paulleake 20:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Propose Splitting

message: this information is wrong and misplaced
this information is otherwise irrelevant to most but people like me
this information doesn't need to be here
this information is a personal retraction
I fluffed up Wiki with my own stuff and misused Wiki for my own purposes. I don't need to put this here. Anybody who wants to see this can check out Genuki. 
- Kenneth Alansson 
I repeat...there is vastly erroneous info here considering definitions of place names have changed so much over the centuries. in germanic days, the combined element of both firbys in their present or prepresent state as townships, would be labeled as a borough[archaic] together, but it hardly makes sense the way things are presently with such types of definitions, as both firbys are't municipalities as they once were, having further previously before singular municipality, been just one holding by one family of Swedish blood from Furby, Vasteras. they have recently been incorporated as villages/neighborhoods into separate towns, which destroys the former solid bond between the two neighborhoods as one unit. [compare (home)state to (home)stead.] obviously, people like me who share this surname think only of the unit as it once was, rather than splintered. 
I continue to state, I prefer to have this page deleted, unless i have full autonomy on the decisions for developmental process of the page, with suggestions on layout, of course. 
- Kenneth Alansson
:Sorry, once you contribute something here you cannot "retract" it, nor will you be given "full autonomy". It is verifiable that it is a real place, and therefore relevant, no matter how small. --Wik 20:23, Feb 25, 2004 (UTC)
Then...do it yourself!  If you care so much to interfere and smugly shove your bureaucratic red tape in my face, carry the weight on your own shoulders to improve it, otherwise, learn to leave well alone!  I am not the only person or one of the few who have complained at your arrogant preposterous behaviour[judging from your talk page].  Your only apparent interest is to shove an arbitrary rule in my face, which appears to be prevalent in your likewise disruptive behaviour towards other Wiki contributers.  Go on, I dare you, provide me with more than one reason why you show a true interest in the subject matter of my contributions, and not a desire to learn me the rules!!!!!!
Oh geez, please not this all over again - check out User:Kenneth Alansson's contributions from last October, when he graced us with this comment among others:
:Stop trolling by reverting my content. I want nothing to do with wikipedia anymore. I am erasing my contributions, and just leave it that way. I hate this fucking site, you are all snobbish twits.
Guess he just couldn't control himself... Stan 20:58, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: "I believe Wikipedia doesn't deserve the dignity of the info" you provide?  Then why are you here?  As for the content you contributed... you agreed when you entered the site to the GFDL and what exists now isn't just your contribution anyway.. so many people have added to it.  I think Stan is as confused as I am of why you feel the need to come back to what you dislike so much to give this rant against it. - Texture 22:18, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: Good work.  It is a much better article with your updates. - Texture 17:45, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 2004

message: Most of the information in this section appears to be rather dated and does not reflect the current day administrations for the locations mentioned.
Keith D 19:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to add, but remember to not take away local history.  Redistrictings done by recent ministries (Labour, etc.) have abolished the treasured trappings of a thousand years old, because they believe it's progressive.  Please keep "dated" descriptions, even if you feel the need to add the current system.  I believe in the ridings and so do many others, some of whom also care for wapentakes/hundreds and liberties/honours, regardless of feudal functions not having been in use for quite some time--the Reform Acts, for instance, changed much.  Lord Loxley 00:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UK Firby

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The first known inhabitant of Firby in the North Riding of Yorkshire was named Auduid in the time of King Harold II Godwinson, and Professor Gillian Fellows-Jensen has classified this as Swedish--it certainly is found nowhere else in Scandinavia except Swedish settlements in Finland after the Baltic Crusades. From comparison to similar runic works or styles of the period, the Swedish records have estimated the runestone with the name Auduid to be within the previous few decades of the reign of King Cnut the Great, who started his reign in England, then Denmark, Norway, and Sweden by 1030. It is also from Domesday that the Auduid of Hanging Grimston in the reign of Edward III the Confessor, 1042-1066, was one and the same person, and so this person is the universal progenitor of the Fritheby-Firby family, and now I have further documentation that this is so. At the bottom, I have census records of Fritheby-Firby in the North Riding. There is also a list of Freemen of the City of York surnamed Fritheby, 30 years after the census. Here is a text search for the surname Fritheby, much easier to weed out than the corrupted Firby: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/search.aspx?query1=Fritheby
http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924084250616/cu31924084250616_djvu.txt
Index of Names and Places 165 ABSTRACTS OF YORKSHIRE INQUISITIONS. I. Adam, son and heir of Robert de Everingham. Proof of age. [Curia Regis. No. 162, m. 8.]^ "\/'ORKSHiRE. Reciting that Adam de Everingham, son and ^ heir of Robert de Everingham, deceased, who held of the King in chief, says he is of full age, and prays that the lands and tenements, wrhich are of his inheritance, may be restored to him, of which one part is in the custody of Aymo de Quarto, provost of Beverley, by grant from the King, another of the executors of the will of Robert Tybotot, deceased,^ and another of the executors of the will of Robert de Hertford, deceased, to which Robert and Robert the King has committed the custody of the two parts to the heir's full age ; and that thereupon the King granted a day to the said Adam, who was born at Shireburne in Harefordelithe, and baptized in the church there, for proving his age ; the sheriff is ordered to cause to come before the King on that day so many and such persons, both knights, etc., by whom that proof may be taken, and the truth of the heir's age be better known and investigated ; and that he should warn Aymo to "Roll for Michaelmas Terra, 28 and 29 Edw. I. (1300). According to the Inq. p. m. of Robert de Everingham, which was taken on 3 Aug., 1287, his son and heir Adam was aged seven on 29 Sept. next coming (Vol. ii., p. 65). Although this is confirmed by another inquisition taken four days later, the evidence given above undoubtedly contradicts it. It is here sworn by more than one witness that the heir was aged twenty-one on the day of the Decollation of St. John the Baptist last past, in other words, his twenty-first birthday fell on 29 Aug., 1300, so that he was born on 29 Aug., 1279. He was born at Sherburn in the East Riding, which his grandfather had settled on his father and mother, Alice de la Hyde, on their marriage, and was baptised in the parish church there by William de Bossale, the vicar. His god-parents were Adam, son of John de Everingham (not his grand- father, who was Adam, son of Robert de Everingham), Ralph de Fritheby, a valet of the heir's father, and the wife of a certain William, son of Robert. ^20 July, 1298. Kirkliston. Commission of oyer and terminer to Richard de Bingham and Thomas St. Lo (de S. Laudo], touching persons who broke into the park of Adam, son and heir of Robert de Everingham, a minor in the custody of Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln, Eva, widow of Robert Tibbotot, John Buteturte, Guy Ferre, Baldwin de Maneriis, John le Moigne, and Roger de Wortham, executors of the will of Robert Tibbotot, to whom the custody had been granted by the King, at Lexinton, co. Notts., hunted therein and carried away deer (Calendar of Patent Holls, 1 292- 1 30 1, p. 381).
2 YORKSHIRE INQUISITIONS. be before the King to show cause why the said lands and tenements should not be restored. The sheriffs of Notting- hamshire and Lincolnshire were to give similar warning to the executors of the wills of Robert Tibotot and Robert de Hertford. Neither Aymo nor the executors came. The sheriff of Yorkshire returned that he had warned Aymo by Simon de Sancta Barbara and William Pratte; the sheriff of Nottinghamshire that he had warned the executors of the will of Robert Tybotot by Richard Warde of Laxton and John de Lanum in Laxton ; and the sheriff of Lincolnshire that he had warned the , executors of the will of Robert de Hertford by Geoffrey Kyngth of Westburgh and Robert Fayrman of the same. And now the said Adam comes, and says he is of full age, and prays that, as the said Aymo and the executors have been warned and do not come, the proof of his age be taken in their default. And, inasmuch as Aymo and the executors have been duly warned, and do not come, as appears by the return of the said writs, and there is no hindrance to safely proceeding to take the proof of age, therefore let the said proof be taken. Robert de Percy, knight, aged 50, living at Sutton on {sub) Derewent, distant from Shirebourne in Harefordelithe, where the heir was born, 20 leagues, sworn and carefully examined, says that the said heir is of full age, namely 21 years, and was so on the day of the Decollation of St. John the Baptist last (29 Aug., 1300). Asked how he knows this, says he has a daughter, Agnes, who was born on the feast of St. Cuthbert in September after the heir's birth (4 Sept., 1299), and who was 21 on the feast of St. Cuthbert last. The godfathers were Adam de Everingham, son of John de Everingham, and Ralph de Fritheby. He does not know who was the godmother or the priest who baptized him. He was baptized at Shirebourne, in the parish church. Moreover, he says he is sure about the heir's age, from what his wife told him, who was sister of the heir's father, and was present at the heir's birth. William de Wetewange, aged 50, living nine leagues from Shirebourne, was at one time in the service of Robert de Kilwarby, late archbishop of Canterbury (1272-1278), and after his death came to these parts, and stayed nearly three years. At that time, that is the second or third day after a certain feast of the Decollation of St. John the Baptist, Ralph de Frithebi, who was valet to the heir's father, told him that the heir's father had a son and heir born, that is the said heir; and that he was born on the feast of the Decollation of St. John the Baptist then last,
4 YORKSHIRE INQUISITIONS. Hugh le Paumer, aged 50, living at Seterington, 7 leagues from Shirebourne, has a firstborn son, John, who was born on St. Simon and St. Jude's day before the heir's birth (28 Oct., 1278). William de Lutton, aged 36, living at Lutton, 3 leagues from Shirebourne, says that William de Bossale was vicar of Shirebourne at the time Adam was born and baptized, who baptised him two years before his resignation. And he is quite certain about the resignation from the informa- tion i^per confessionem) of the. said William. Thomas, the present vicar, who succeeded him, has been vicar for 19 years, as appears by his letter of institution. Adam de Everingham of Birkin and Ralph de Fritheby, the god- fathers, often told him about the birth. He also made inquiries on oath from friends in the neighbourhood who said they were present on the day he was baptized. William Maungevileyn of Neuton,^ aged 50, living 4 leagues from Shirburne, says that he and some of his com- panions, after they were summoned [distruti) by the sheriff to prove on their oaths the heir's age, made careful inquiries of his age, and that they all agreed in what is said above. John de Menigthorpe, aged 40, living in Grimmeston, 7 miles from Shirburne, says Ralph de Fritheby, one of the godfathers, has a manor in Grimmeston, and in going to Shirbourne to act as Adam's godfather {ad ipsum Adam de fonte levandum) he supped at his manor, that is on the day of the Decollation of St. John the Baptist, 2 1 years ago ; and with him this witness and Adam de Everingham, the other godfather. His own father, Geoffrey, was then alive, and died on the feast of the Purification next after the birth (2 Feb., 1279-80). The heir, on being asked, says he is unmarried. And as the said heir has sufficiently proved his age before the lord King, and it is also clear by the appearance of the body of the said Adam, that he is of full age, therefore let him have seisin of the lands and tenements, falling to him from his inheritance ; saving to the lord King his right in the heir's marriage, if it appertains to him. And this record is sent to the Chancellor.^ "Newton, in the parish of Wintringham. North Grimstoii.
Here are some census records for residency in Firby, in 1301, during the reign of Edward Longshanks, Hammer of the Scots:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=49740#s33
Fritheby. (fn. 28)
De Johanne de Fritheby.	vs	 jd	o.
De Petro le Kou	ij	 iiijd	o.q.
De Alano Frer'	ijs	 xd	q.
De Ada de Fritheby	vs	 iiijd	o.q.
De Thoma Preposito	ijs	 ixd	
De Roberto Carpentario	iijs	 ijd	o.q.
De Thoma de Ruston'	iijs	 xjd	
De Reginaldo de Fritheby	iiijs	 jd	o.
De Thoma Skayff'	iiijs	 jd	
Summa tocius quindecime, xxxiijs xid o.			
Admissions to the Freedom of York
1-25 Edward III (1327-52)
http://www.british-history.a.uk/report.aspx?compid=48265
Stephanus de Fritheby, mason
Thomas de Fritheby, cordwaner
Adam de Fritheby, taillour
OK, I did not explain myself. You see Hanging Grimston mentioned in tandem with mentions of Fritheby, and this suggests that the people who took up residence there after Auduid founded Fritheby/Firby, were in-laws of some sort, which is why the Fritheby family would continue to be involved into the 1330s--at least, that makes sense to me.
Thus, the original suspicions of Firby being of Swedish origins are correct, but the surname etymology was flawed, and also the connection between the North and East Ridings was another great speculation, but the Firby in the East Riding has a separate etymology, and was originally written Frieby, so it was of no relation.
Auduid moved from Sweden to Grimston, and then built Firby. Why he moved inland much further, that is, across the Vale of York, I do not know and yet, it is the same with most North Sea settlers, whether in Anglo-Saxon times hot on the heels of the Romans, or the Danes in general. Firby is more isolated than Grimston, and less crowded.
More Grimston info:
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/great-britain-exchequer/the-survey-of-the-county-of-york-taken-by-john-de-kirkby-commonly-called-kirkb-hci/page-30-the-survey-of-the-county-of-york-taken-by-john-de-kirkby-commonly-called-kirkb-hci.shtml
WAPENTAKE OF BUCKROSE, E. R. 275 
GRYMESTON. 
De feodo de Bruys iij car. terrse. 
Johannes Grymet tenet j car., Badulphus de Fritheby xiij bov., 
Milo de Stapelton iij bov v nnde xxij car. et di. faciunt feod. 
De 5 feodo de Moubray j car. terras et di. 
Johannes de Menithorp tenet di. car., Johannes Grymet j car., 
unde xvj car. terras faciunt feod. 
*More Freemen of the City of York:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50493
*Tho. de Fritheby, parchemener
*Thomas de Fritheby, medicus
*Inheriting the line of John Sigston, the Pigot family were lords of the manor of Fritheby/Firby in the 14th century, and from them descended the Metcalfe line that was still involved at the time of the first Firbys in America, in the 1660s. Sure, these people lorded over the village, even though the name bearers continued to live there. Blame the Norman Conquest for bad government. Anyway, this excerpt below shows there was a priest named John Fritheby, who owed his appointment to the Pigot patronage:
*http://yorkshireancestors.blogspot.com/2008/05/mountforth-of-hackforth.html
*10. Somerset Record Society, Vol 30, Register of Nicholas Bubwith, Bishop of Bath and Wells, Vol II (1914) p 419
*After the death of Thomas Mountfort, Elizabeth remarried John Pigot of Ripon. On 2 July 1422, Bishop Bubwith instituted Sir John Fritheby, priest, as rector of the parish church of Nony [Nunney, Somerset] at the presentation of John Pigot and Elizabeth, his wife, relict of Thomas Mountfort of the county of York, esquire, guardians in socage of the lands of Thomas Mountfort, son and heir of the first named Thomas, by reason of his nonage, patrons for this turn as has been found by inquisition [10].
*Here are some more records:
*http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/e1v4/body/Edward1vol4page0178.pdf
*Alan Thorre of Fritheby for the death of Thomas son of Roger de Fritheby.
*Here's a connection with Crosby Ravensworth in Westmoreland:
*http://www.archiveweb.cumbria.gov.uk/dserve/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqSearch=(RefNo=='D%20LONS/L5/1/15/3/7')
*Title
Deeds
DEEDS: CROSBY RAVENSWORTH
Deeds
RefNo	D LONS/L5/1/15/3/7
Title	
Date	
Description	
Henry de Threlkeld. William de Threlkeld, his son and Alice daughter of John de Fritheby. Seven messuages, one toft etc in Crosby Ravensworth..
*Deeds, these showing a knight named Robert Firby, so Firbys have had knights and priests both...
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64195&strquery=Fritheby
*[York.]	A. 323. Release by William de Capetofth to Sir John de Melsa of a pasture "cum co-hoperto," called 'le Wude,' in Lepington. Witnesses:— Sirs Richard Trussebut, William de Bozale, Thomas de Chauncy, Robert de Fritheby, knts., Richard de Bernevill, Roscelin de Scrahingham, and others (named).
*[York.]	A. 325. Demise by Sir John de Melsa to William, son of Reginald de Captoft, for his life, of a bovate and "divisa" of land in Lepington, without power of alienation, at a yearly rent of 5s., the said William each year fitly to cultivate a quarter of an acre from which the ferm may be levied, or, if not, or he break this agreement in any other way, Sir John may resume possession of the said tenement. Witnesses:—Sir Robert deFritheby, knt., Roger Trnssebut, Richard de Bernvile, and others (named).
*[York.]	A. 336. Deed of release by William de Captoft, of Lepington, to Sir John de Melsa, of a place in the middle of the pasture of Lepington, called 'le Wode,' extending from Sir John's manor to Wodckeldsik, and from Legenink to the north angle of the said manor, which is called 'le Park,' saving what is herein excepted; and all lopping of twigs of thorn or other trees growing in all the pasture called 'le Wode,' as well without as within the enclosure. Witnesses:—Sir Richard Trussebut, Sir Robert de Fritheby, Richard de Bernevile, of Legening, and others (named).
*[York.]	A. 380. Release by Reginald de Capetoft to Godfrey de Melsa, "domino meo," of a carucate (eight bovates) of land in Lepington which he held of the said Godfrey's fee. Witnesses:—Ralph de Fritheby, Robert de Chancy, Richard Trussebut, Gilbert de Briddeshal, knts., Peter de Melsa, and others (named).
*Another freeman of the City of York, this time from the reign of Richard II:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=48266&strquery=Fritheby
Willelmus de Fritheby, tapiter
*During the time of the Wars of the Roses (Houses of Lancaster, York, and Tudor), I have not found any Fritheby or Firby surnames online, but they resurface in the time of King Charles II. Unfortunately, by this time, the surname of Firby and other closely related forms in Modern English may be taken as an amalgamation of different sources in Old and then Middle English, and the only way to tell, is by referencing which shire the bearer comes from, because different spellings themselves do not mean different origins. Even Middle English began to show a corruption, when the name Frieby in the East Riding was written as Fretheby, apparently due to confusion or conflation with the Fritheby family of the North Riding which had its origins in Auduid at Grimston in the East Riding. Convoluted mess. Furby and Firby have the same origin from Yorkshire and Maryland and Delaware colonies, as does the erroneous listing as Ferby for Firby on the S.S. Ivernia's manifest in 1909 to Boston, all of these being from Liverpool ships, but Firby in Kent is from Ferriby in either North Ferriby in Yorkshire or South Ferriby in Lincolnshire, opposite of one another, and they went to the New World from London. This is also the root of the Yorktown, VA family, which has moved onto the Carolinas, and even British West Florida.
*http://www.british-history.ac.uk/search.aspx?query1=firby
*http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=77630&strquery=firby
*http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=77629&strquery=firby  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.183.166.130 (talk) 12:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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message: Alano Frer, from the information below, taken out of the section above, is the one who made a living at Firby Grange on Masham Road as a friar, when it was still monastic. Jervaulx? Bedale St. Gregory had a working relationship enough to acquire a window and a bell from Jervaulx upon Dissolution, and Firby is in St. Gregory's parish--Firby is also situated in between Jervaulx and Bedale. George Metcalfe was the last Catholic landlord at Firby in the 1650s, and this is where Firby villagers traditionally applied for worship before Christ's Hospital was built in the 1600s. Although there was some resistance to the Reformation here, the secularisation of Firby Grange was not restored to Catholic form, and the Protestant chapel at Christ's Hospital is the only post-Reformation religious development in the hamlet's boundaries. It is the general assumption that dissent from the established church would be pertinent to areas in which their houses of worship are built. The CoE assumes reponsibility for the whole parish, of course, but if a Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, or Quaker place of worship is in a village within the town bounds of Bedale, or especially without, these represent the beliefs of those particular villages, and not necessarily those of other villages in Bedale, nor of the entire parish. Consider the Catholic church of Aiskew, for instance. That was built for the Stapletons and their kin, who held out longer than anybody else in Bedale from the Reformation, and therefore the building would not speak for Firby, despite the Metcalfe resistance as well lasting second-longest. Some people came to terms with the CoE, and Firby is one of those villages in Bedale to apparently do so (as a more comfortable alternative to the Presbyterian army of Leslie who invaded Richmond, & the Puritans who forced the Metcalfes out of residency by sequester), perhaps accommodating the High Church or Laudian, and Oxford Movement attitudes, instead of being fully in the Romanist camp as Aiskew would be (despite the Baptist presence there as well).
Here are some census records for residency in Firby, in 1301, during the reign of Edward Longshanks, Hammer of the Scots:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=49740#s33
Fritheby. (fn. 28)
De Johanne de Fritheby.	vs	 jd	o.
De Petro le Kou	ij	 iiijd	o.q.
De Alano Frer'	ijs	 xd	q.
De Ada de Fritheby	vs	 iiijd	o.q.
De Thoma Preposito	ijs	 ixd	
De Roberto Carpentario	iijs	 ijd	o.q.
De Thoma de Ruston'	iijs	 xjd	
De Reginaldo de Fritheby	iiijs	 jd	o.
De Thoma Skayff'	iiijs	 jd	
Summa tocius quindecime, xxxiijs xid o.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.65.249.231 (talk) 09:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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