Talk:Ifrit

message: Where does the gargoyle origin come from? And do we need the "Final Fantasy" reference here? Ifrits have been used in numerous games, movies and books, no need to single one out. Ausir 13:39, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but Final Fantasy is "speshul". MasterGrazzt 15:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Other games are just as prominent in the article, but I think it's okay that it has its own mini-section, since there are so many Final Fantasy games and Ifrit is more well-known in FF than in other games (to my knowledge).Ravenwolf Zero 17:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gargoyle?

message: I wrote the Ifrits in Recent Fiction section back in December - I was looking for more info on a kind of creature I had just met in a second author's books, and took the "please add to this stub" message at face value.  I have spent some time at Wikipedia since then and can see that the section I wrote doesn't suit this project; I just deleted it.--Iestyn 06:55, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just deleted section 

message: Regarding this comment: "Ifrits in common mythology are jinn spirits that embody the fire." Aren't all jinn supposed to be made from (smokeless) fire? What differentiates ifrit from other jinn?
Ifrit is stronger?
but smokeless fire should be added to the article because its what makes the fire different to the one you get from burning stuff.
::According to what? I really wish there were more about Arabic literature, mythology and Burton's use of Ifrit here after the Qur'ān references (especially when compared to the length of its use in popular culture and among gamers). Wikiality, alas! Khirad 03:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  made of fire 

message: In Dungeons and Dragons, the singular form is "efreeti" and plural is "efreet". Is this correct Arabic? If not, what are the correct forms? Someone please add to the article. SpectrumDT 18:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the grammar? 

message: The actual article of the Ifrit is woefully small in comparison to the video games they've been in.  Move it or lose it. 63.84.192.253 (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It does seem odd that references to Ifrit in computer games is as long as the rest of the article. I don't suggets the computer game references be removed (though some sourcing would be nice) but the rest of the article needs an expansion. Will do some work on this but I'm starting from scratch - anyone with some of the more useful reference works able to add anything here? Euryalus (talk) 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivial Information

message: :I'm recommending the merger of Ifrit in popular culture into this article.  Both articles are too short to really need to be separated, and I think the other one can be controlled better if it was a section on this page.--ip.address.conflict (talk) 04:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Strongly agree. Also, popular culture is surely more than video and roleplaying games, lets see if we can expand it a little further. Euryalus (talk) 05:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Strong Agree I have also put merge tags on similar articles by the same user for Marid and sprite (creature). Balor in popular culture is up for AfD, but is in the same position as these ones and just nbeeds to be recombined. To me it seems that a pp culture article doesn't work without info on what the ing actually is. Thank you --Beligaronia (talk) 22:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Agree. As above, doesn't contain sufficient information to be separate. Greggers (t • c) 17:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger of this page and [[Ifrit in popular culture]]

message: The part about ifrit most likely being rebellious from the following part of the article was deleted: "Ifrit's mention in the Qur'an and the Hadith, the eyewitness narratives of Muhammad's words and actions, is always in the phrase “the ifrit of the jinn” and most likely means “rebellious.”  Ifrit has come to refer to an entire class of formidable, rebellious beings, but in the confused world of underworld spirits."  It does lead one to wonder what the etymology of the word really is.  List_of_English_words_of_Persian_origin indicates it may come "from Persian afarida created being."  I think Muslims tend to believe the words in the Quran are all of Arabic origin (regardless of what non-Muslims may believe); thus, there probably is an Arabic etymology or pseudo-etymology for the word.  Incidentally, another type of jinn, the Marid really is alleged to mean rebel; the OED states "Arabic mrid, active participle of marada to rebel." Шизомби (talk) 03:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they are all actually of Arab origin, just as the goblin is from Arab folklore and culture, this is self-evident 37.220.115.217 (talk) 13:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  etymology of ifrit? 

message: Does it have some connection the vampire? I've heard of mythology, that it can be a Vampiric spirit of a murder victim seeking to avenge his/her death. The Unbeholden (talk) 19:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vampiric Spirit

message: The spelling afreet is used as the main entry for the creature in the American Heritage Dictionary, the Collins English Dictionary and the Oxford Canadian. What is the source of the English spelling "ifrit"?--Sonjaaa (talk) 14:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to [[afreet]] please

message: I did a little editing in the section that formerly began with ""Ifrit's mention in the Qur'an and the Hadith, the eyewitness narratives of Muhammad's words," but I soon discovered that most of this paragraph seems to have been copied and pasted from this Britannica article: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/282188/ifrit
This should be either credited or re-written.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CLSwiki (talk • contribs) 17:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but as copyvio it needed removing - as you've given the source, anyone can use that to either quote some of it (but not all) or as a source (which must look substantially different, not just tweaked). Dougweller (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copied uncredited text 

message: I think that the image depicting an alleged efreet flying over a desert may not be good enough of an image for this article. It's an amateurish photoshop job of two different artworks for the card Mahamoti Djinn from the Magic: The Gathering card game.
http://magiccards.info/scans/en/7e/84.jpg
http://magiccards.info/scans/en/al/65.jpg
Not only are they not representations of a traditional efreet, neither of them are even an efreet in the fictional work from which they originate. 75.114.229.143 (talk) 04:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Low-Quality Image

message: The beginning of this article is nearly identical to the Encyclopedia Britannica online.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/ifrit  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.127.228.127 (talk) 16:27, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism by who? 

message: Hello,
Could you please explain me, why you think the Christian-part is unnecessary? I thought it kind of itneresting that the "Ifrit" is aknowledged inter-religious in Islamic-influenced countries. However I did not find any reason given for this remove. Thanks for explanation.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:24, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Christian-part 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Fire ghost. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  signed, Rosguill talk 04:31, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fire ghost listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Hello, 
I am looking for source for the popularculture-section. Unfortunately, I do not find much about Afarit in fiction. It would be a shame to remove the section entirely especially since Afarit are Iconic for some franchises such as Final Fantasy. Does anyone else, who watches or edits this article, knows about sources with references to Ifrit in fiction?--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 13:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for popular culture, support? 

message: Many of these entities like the Djinni and Ifrit are pre-Islamic. Before Islam began, the Arabian peninsula was polytheist and had multiple deities representing various aspects of nature. Ergo "Islamic culture" is a misnomer; the culture of the Arabian peninsula and northern Africa is Arab so we should be saying Arab culture instead. Even in modern times there are different cultures who share the Islam faith and many cultures in the Middle East that do not. Persians, Turks and Kurds are also Muslim but their cultures are different from Arab culture so their pre-Islam mythologies were different as well. And many people in southeast Asia are Muslim but their cultures definitely do not include Djinni or Ifrit.
Use "pre-Islam" if you need to but seeing religion mixed up with culture really grinds my gears sometimes. They are two different things. 162.247.228.13 (talk) 19:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of entities originating from Arabian culture, the ifrit doesn't seem to be one of them. There is no record available to mention ifrits prior to the Quran. There is no pre-Islamic section, because they probably didn't existed. Most people who believe in the existence of ifrits do so, because of Islam, not Arabian culture. If Arabian culture was the common ground, ifrits wouldn't feature in Turkish, Indian, and Malaysian culture. However, they do appear throughout all cultures who share being culturally Islamicate, I think "Islamic" is the correct term to use. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  "If Arabian culture was the common ground, ifrits wouldn't feature in" Cultural diffusion does not work this way. Certain ideas can spread from one culture to others through contact. Dimadick (talk) 17:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I expressed my thoughts poorly. What I mean is, all the cultures who share beliefs in ifrits, are Islamic cultures but not Arabic ones. Maybe they have an Arabic origin, but there is no evidence for that. The idea of the ifrit could as well be of Persian origin and spread across Islamicate cultures under the term "ifrit". In other words, other Muslim cultures might have identified the term ifrit in the Quran with a familiar spirit of their own culture. From this culture, the ifrit spread across the Muslim world. There is, up to my knowledge, no evidence for ifrits in pre-Islamic Arabia. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 02:55, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about??  How is it not from the Arab culture, when it came from the Arabs and was mentioned in the Qur’an, and it is known that it is a type of jinn that goes back to the Arab culture, and the name is Arabic, and there are words that have the same meaning and name in the Arabic language, so why do you rave and say that it is not Arabic?  ?  If the Islamic culture itself is Arab, how do you separate them from each other at all? 176.29.121.136 (talk) 09:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your take on MENA (Middle East and North Africa) culture is too simply. Cultures in the MENA region usually influenced each other, not forced their views on a "subjugated" culture. There is, thereore, no linear progress of one culture to the other. Yes, the term (!) ifrit appears in the Quran, the meaning is not clear. It seems (!) it was mostly an epiphet, there is no evidence that it was necessarily seen as a spirit of the udnerworld or ghost. However, we know that at later stages ( since around the Middle Age), ifrits were associated with ghosts or spirits of the undeworld. In Turkish, it is even the term for fiends. This could be a reinterpretation of Persian Div applied to the ifrits (see also the images about ifrits bearing resemblence to Divs). It could also be the case that the Quran doesn't define the ifrit as such, because the readers were expected to know about the ifrit as an underworld spirit. In short, we don't know what concept the term ifrit was associated with in the 7th century, but we know what they are in later centuries. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 17:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I said the Arabic culture, the Qur'an was revealed in Arabic, and in North Africa there were Berbers and the minorities living in the caves, but the Persians and other races, the Qur'an was revealed before the conquest of the country, and I was also influenced by the Arabic culture, not the other way around, thanks to Islam and the rise of civilization. Islamic Arabia and conquests during the Caliphate of Al-Rashad and Al-Umayyad, the simplicity of the Arabic culture, and I think I mentioned before that the name was mentioned in Arabic before, and also the name was revealed in the Qur'an, and it has a real meaning, and it is basically the Jinn of the Arabic culture before Islam, even the Arabs used to worship it. Al-Jin in the Arabian Peninsula, there are many proofs, not a single proof, you just don't want to acknowledge the matter, and how the meaning is not clear in the Qur'an?? I believe that you do not know the Arabic language, and what is the relationship between the presented picture and the page on which the drawings are written by a Persian person and talking about an Arab warrior 😂 No one knows the shape of the jinn, so this picture is not a proof, so don't try to argue, and how do we know who is the one who is related to Ifrit, even though it is I said that it is mentioned in the Qur'an and the meaning of its name (Al-Khaith - Al-Makar - Al-Dahiyya - Al-Dahi Al-Bayth Al-Sharir - Al-Shaft al-Qawy) and specifically about intelligence and malice in the Arabic language.We know what a ifrit is from the time of the advent of Islam and even before 103.252.90.177 (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-Islam