Talk:Dyker Heights, Brooklyn

message: jeez, I look at this and I know it was definitely written with the promotion of real estate in mind. The buzzwords of developers and building histories makes this very clear. Hey, put up a little neighborhood history, some hotass century 21 agents' #s, a view of the Verrazano, and you might get a few offers right now.--Screwball23 talk 02:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  real estate guide? 

message: Is it really appropriate to describe Dyker Heights as "suburban?" According to Wikipedia itself, in the U.S., the term is not commonly applied to areas within the limits of the defining city. And as a native Brooklynite I'd certainly never have described areas within Brooklyn as suburban, except perhaps metaphorically. DeSales 23:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I made it "suburban-like".  —Nricardo 13:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suburban?

message: This article has many, many problems.  Nearly every assertion is uncited.  Much of the language and tone is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article, contains obvious original research, and whole sections that rely on quotes and unsourced interpretation.  There are numerous Manual of Style violations, and nearly every image appears to be a copyright violation and will soon be deleted.  I have tagged where necessary, and left inline comments to aid the process of cleaning up.  I trust that the primary author of the article (as noted in the New York Times) knows what they are talking about and it should be fairly easy to provide references.  However, an uninvolved third party will need to step in and get rid of the POV and original research, as well as fixing the overall tone problems.  
Additionally, there is no information about transportation, demographics, attractions, and, well, pretty much everything else that can be found in every other NYC neighborhood article.  
The article really isn't bad, and the author(s) know what they are talking about, but cites must be provided, the language needs to be neutralized a bit, and there needs to be a more broad focus.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 05:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems 

message: This is supposed to be in Brooklyn, but takes you to a location upstate.
Matt Zeidenberg (talk) 03:02, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This error was introduced last year when the infobox was added.  — Dispenser 20:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate error 

message: User:Cjz208 continues to add his own opinions to this article as facts (I understand this opinions may be held by others as well, but they are still opinions). I recently removed the statement "Very few of these homes fit into the historic context of Dyker Heights and very few have been constructed with the high level of design, craftsmanship, and materials exhibited by the Saitta House - both inside and out" - and the words "Unfortunately many" from the statement  "Unfortunately, many of Dyker Heights’ original surviving homes have been extensively renovated and remodeled." 
He immediately reverted those edits with the edit summary "Historic context is correct. It is written in the State and National Registers of Historic Places Report for the Saitta House". Once again I am stating for you - Wikipedia articles are for facts, not your opinions, or those of your society, no matter how strongly you may feel about them. CitiCat ♫ 16:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is what is known as synthesis. If your source states a fact directly, then put into the article a statement along the lines of "according to <your source>, <fact> is true."  CitiCat ♫ 07:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More opinions 

message: Over a period of two years various statements which appear to be at best synthesis have been placed in the article. Numerous discussions have failed to resolve the question of these comments being acceptable under Wikipedia guidelines.  CitiCat ♫ 02:53, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: RFC:Are statements in the article from a neutral point of view

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message: The information in this subsection is entirely useless and un-encyclopedic. Not another NYC neighborhood has this dreck (in a quick sample of ten+ in multiple boroughs I took to make sure I wasn't crazy). Just having a cite doesn't make it automatically appropriate to include. Schools are listed, places of worship as well, because those exist uniquely in and of the neighborhood, like its notable residents, parks, and landmarks. But saying NYPD and Brooklyn Public Library serve a neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York is so asinine and just clutters the page. If the precinct or branch or ladderhouse had its own page or was in any way significant, I could see its merit to include it. As it stands there is no reason Dyker Heights should be alone in the encyclopedia in having non-encyclopedic information on its page just because User:Alansohn wants it there without any rationale given or MOS to back it up. JesseRafe (talk) 19:09, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Cut the crap and the smarmy attitude. Just because User:JesseRafe doesn't like properly sourced material doesn't make it "useless" "dreck" or "asinine". I didn't insert this material and the absence of this content in other articles isn't an excuse for deletion; if we worked in your preferred manner, we'd be deleting everything until every article matched the lowest possible standard. When you're ready to address some policy that supports your case, come back and start discussing in a rational manner. Alansohn (talk) 20:07, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You're starting this edit war over nothing and you're asking me to prove a negative now? Show me where it says this information is encyclopedic, because obviously it's not; you're intentionally acting in bad faith insinuating that my "preferred manner" would be to delete everything. Millions of Wikipedia articles have useless trivia that ought to be deleted, regardless of citing, because citations don't confer notability. Wikipedia is not a directory. Perhaps WP:LOCAL and Wikipedia:Notability_(geographic_features)#No_inherited_notability are the relevant starting points? I'd assume you'd already be aware of these positions. I'd also like to remind you to be civil, if you can manage it. JesseRafe (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Why wouldn't I want to know which police precinct covers the 'hood or which library branch is found here? If other neighborhood articles are missing this info., they're deficient. —Nelson Ricardo (talk) 00:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civic services 

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