Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 3

message: Sky Harbor et al, as I mentioned in Seav's blog, Gus Vibal suggested we study how Tin Mandigma started Read or Die, which apparently is quite successful. Alternativity then suggested to also check-out New Worlds Alliance, which he is a member of. How about that for Manila 3? Perhaps we could invite key people from these orgs to give us an idea on how to start WMPH. Here are some particular things I want to ask them, top of my head:
* Do you really need a foundation to be successful?
* How many hours/week do you put in to handle something like RoD?
* How do you manage volunteers who you only meet once a month or so?
* How do you make all those tie-ups with companies like National, Powerbooks (but I guess this is quite natural for RoD... it would probably be educational institutions for WMPH...)?
* How do you get publicity from mainstream media?
--Nino Gonzales 02:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding this concern, I think that you should also take into consideration jojit's update. If we can confirm this, then there would be no need to set up a foundation per se under the previous assumption that we had, it would only be a question of how to complete the process of registering the organization. Then the rest of the topics you brought up would fall into place. --- Tito Pao 03:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

text: For Wikimedia Philippines, we need to have at least one community representative from the other Wikipedias and Wikimedia projects. Not all of them contribute to the English Wikipedia or go to the Tambayan. I don't want us creating decisions that affect them. --seav 05:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's recruit from the Tagalog Wikipedia. Some of us "en" people have accounts there right? --Lenticel (talk) 06:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can represent the Cebuano Wikipedia. But let me get authorization from the community there.--Nino Gonzales 10:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

text: This time you lead I follow --Exec8 13:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Agenda for Manila 3?

message: Perhaps we could do it this way: 1) Select a date. 2) Send an email invite to Tin Mandigma signed by the community.
So following the pattern of our previous meet-ups (~2PM on Sunday), please indicate your availability for October--Nino Gonzales 02:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Am at work right now, so I'll try re-reading the draft letter and make suggestions on how to improve it (I love writing letters ;) With regard to her comments...I can't actually tell if there was some sarcasm on it. In the spirit of assuming good faith, I'd like to consider it as something like a self-deprecating joke or an inside joke known to widely-read persons...I mean, if it were me, you'd expect me to play around my being a call center agent =P --- Tito Pao 03:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Can we make our meeting on a Saturday night? Sunday is really a family day.  November 3 would be fine for me. --Jojit fb 03:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The earlier the better. I am preparing for an entrance exam this Nov. (hopefully I'll pass). Sorry Jojit fb but I'm still for Sunday. --Lenticel (talk) 04:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We've been meeting on Sundays which i hate... they're family days. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 08:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm actually okay with a Saturday meeting as long as I have advanced notice. That's because I'll need to look for a replacement organist for my Saturday anticipated masses =P --- Tito Pao 00:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll be busy weekends of October and November but I will try to sneek in at your agreed date and time. Maybe one to two hours of my time will do. --Exec8 20:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Let's try for a Saturday meet-up this time, as per User:Scorpion prinz's comment. --seav 06:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the table to include Saturdays and October 12, a Friday and a holiday. --Jojit (talk) 01:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we should finalize the date. Everybody seems to be available on October 21 but if we have to consider Saturdays then we should make the meet-up on October 20 (2-4 pm).  What do you think Nino and titopao? --Jojit (talk) 01:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm okay (so I hope) with the 20th as long as I have at least a week's notice. This is because I might need to absent excuse from my Saturday anticipated masses (so that I can look for a substitute organist =P --- Tito Pao 03:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sat for me is difficult but not impossible. How about we do this: If no objections by tomorrow, I'll send the email asking Ms. Mandigma what option she prefers (20 or 21). Btw, do you think we should shell-out some cash to buy her a gift, perhaps a book? That's only proper, right, when inviting some guest? What do you think? --Nino Gonzales 11:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --Jojit (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Arggh... I just realized I made a grammatical error... "Please tell us if neither are convenient for you, and we propose other schedules." Isn't it frustrating to realize that you actually can't edit sent emails? --Nino Gonzales 11:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added myself in.  Check the table.  --Sky Harbor 13:04, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Man, I already sent the invitation to Tin Mandigma before your entry, asking her to choose between Oct 20 and 21. I hope she chooses 21, so that you will also be available...--Nino Gonzales 03:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on his entry, Sky Harbor is available on both afternoons of the 20th and 21st. --Jojit (talk) 04:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

text: By the way, what specific place in Megamall? I hope it would be in a less crowded place. Take note that SM Megamall will be having a mega sale from October 19 to 21. I suggest that we should meet at Starbucks at the 5th level where there is lesser people during a sale. --Jojit (talk) 04:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Starbucks you have in mind is actually on the fourth level :) --- Tito Pao 07:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oo nga 'no, I still have a hang-over of playing at Timezone in the basement yesterday and thought that Megamall has 6 floors (including the basement). ;-) --Jojit (talk) 07:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I will participate but I will need to wait for a final date and time --Exec8 00:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some notes. I indicate "50/50" for some dates (especially the Saturdays) for the reasons I've mentioned earlier. In addition...I'm actually moving to another job, which is why I'm currently on the go every now and then =P --- Tito Pao 01:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: shouldn't really matter if they have it :) It's the thought that counts, as they say... i'm sure her perception of our gratitude wouldn't be less if we give something she already has... but let me check this filipiniana bookstore near my place... i might find some first edition of some arcane filipino book which might appear more special and (more importantly) cheaper (hehe)... --Nino Gonzales 03:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirm availability, gift 

message: Let's try a point system :) 3 = most desired; 0 = no way.
Name         	Megamallwhere 50% of successful meet-ups were held	A room in a schoolSeveral of you are in the academe. Perhaps we could use a room in your school. Anyway, we are doing this for the greater good of Philippine education
Nino Gonzales	2                                                 	3
Lenticel     	2                                                 	2
Titopao      	2                                                 	2
seav         	3                                                 	1
Jojit        	3                                                 	3
===Where in Megamall?===
Name         	Starbucks, 4th level           	?
Nino Gonzales	OK, if there is no other option	?
Jojit        	OK                             	?
seav         	OK                             	?
Can anybody scout around for a less trafficked cafe in Megamall? I think there's one at the northern end of Cyberzone (4F Mega B), and I recall another cafe across Cinderella (?) near the sporting apparel stores (UGF Mega A). I think any Starbucks is too popular for our own good. --seav 05:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also would prefer a less public place (I'm planning to record the meeting and post as ogg). If you guys like Starbucks, then the following cafes in The Podium would also be options: http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Asia/Philippines/City_of_Manila/Manila-1391614/Restaurants-Manila-The_Podium-BR-1.html There's probably a Starbucks there as well (what am I saying... there's Starbucks everyfrikinwhere!) --Nino Gonzales 03:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote for Podium. I think Megamall will be too crowded due to the sale. The Podium already has three cafes in front: Cafe Breton, Starbucks, and UCC Coffee Vienna Cafe. And if you really want Starbucks, there's a relatively empty Starbucks across the street from The Podium at the Anson's Building. --seav 13:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this site, there is a Starbucks at The Podium. --Jojit (talk) 00:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I said. :) --seav 01:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mahal daw pagkain sa podium sabi ng kapatid ko. Hindi pa ako nakakapunta doon.--Lenticel (talk) 01:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Venue

message: Name         	Starbucks, 4th level           	?
Nino Gonzales	OK, if there is no other option	?
Jojit        	OK                             	?
seav         	OK                             	?
Can anybody scout around for a less trafficked cafe in Megamall? I think there's one at the northern end of Cyberzone (4F Mega B), and I recall another cafe across Cinderella (?) near the sporting apparel stores (UGF Mega A). I think any Starbucks is too popular for our own good. --seav 05:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also would prefer a less public place (I'm planning to record the meeting and post as ogg). If you guys like Starbucks, then the following cafes in The Podium would also be options: http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Asia/Philippines/City_of_Manila/Manila-1391614/Restaurants-Manila-The_Podium-BR-1.html There's probably a Starbucks there as well (what am I saying... there's Starbucks everyfrikinwhere!) --Nino Gonzales 03:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote for Podium. I think Megamall will be too crowded due to the sale. The Podium already has three cafes in front: Cafe Breton, Starbucks, and UCC Coffee Vienna Cafe. And if you really want Starbucks, there's a relatively empty Starbucks across the street from The Podium at the Anson's Building. --seav 13:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this site, there is a Starbucks at The Podium. --Jojit (talk) 00:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I said. :) --seav 01:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mahal daw pagkain sa podium sabi ng kapatid ko. Hindi pa ako nakakapunta doon.--Lenticel (talk) 01:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Where in Megamall?

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In case you have not been following the discussion above, please indicate your availability for Manila 3 here: Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 3. We are trying to get the head of Read or Die Philippines, a successful non-profit, to talk to us about her experiences in starting one. --Nino Gonzales 06:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manila 3 

message: No one seems to have violent reactions to the formal invitation, so I will send that out this Friday, Oct 5. Before that time, we have to agree on the date. So far, the only day everyone is available is on Oct 21. However, Saturdays are being proposed, as well as Oct 12, a Friday and a holiday (the end of Ramadan). Please indicate your preferred meet-up place as well. --Nino Gonzales 02:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Oct 2 Updates

message: Kristin Mandigma has accepted our invitation for Oct 21. The following needs to be decided upon:
* The exact location
* Gift for our guest
Please see the meet-up page
--Nino Gonzales 03:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Oct 9 Updates

message: * Venue: Starbucks in The Podium, Ortigas, Pasig City
* Schedule: October 21, 2007, Sunday, 2-4PM
====Podium or Megamall??====
We have agreed when to meet but I am still confused where is the actual venue. --Exec8 13:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one seems to have violent reactions against having the meet-up in the slightly farther (from the MRT) but much quieter Starbucks in the Podium, so I'm telling Tin Mandigma that we are meeting there (it is less than 7 days!).--Nino Gonzales 14:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm okay with the Podium, also because (per Nino's email) there's a sale at the Megamall, it's definitely not the ideal place for a meet-up during that time. --- Tito Pao 17:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Venue and Schedule

message: We have agreed when to meet but I am still confused where is the actual venue. --Exec8 13:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one seems to have violent reactions against having the meet-up in the slightly farther (from the MRT) but much quieter Starbucks in the Podium, so I'm telling Tin Mandigma that we are meeting there (it is less than 7 days!).--Nino Gonzales 14:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm okay with the Podium, also because (per Nino's email) there's a sale at the Megamall, it's definitely not the ideal place for a meet-up during that time. --- Tito Pao 17:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Podium or Megamall??

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We plan to send invites to the following Wikipedias:
* Bikol Wikipedia (on Incubator)
* Cebuano Wikipedia
* Hiligaynon/Ilonggo Wikipedia (on Incubator)
* Ilokano Wikipedia
* Kinaray-a Wikipedia (on Incubator)
* Kapampangan Wikipedia
* Pangasinan Wikipedia
* Tagalog Wikipedia
* Waray-Waray Wikipedia
* Zamboangueño Wikipedia
Once the venue is finalized, requesting that you send the invite to Wikipedias you are active in. I'll take care of the Cebuano invite.--Nino Gonzales 04:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can take care of the Tagalog Wikipedia.  --Sky Harbor 11:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting Translation for Manila 3 invites to other Wikipedias 

message: ===Sample English Invitation===
Our Fellow Wikipedians,
We invite you to the 3rd Manila Wikipedia Meet-up where we have as our guest Kristine Mandigma, the head of the very successful non-profit organization Read-or-Die. We are initiating the local Wikimedia Foundation with the hope of accelerating the growth of the quantity and quality of Philippine-related articles. Ms. Mandigma will be sharing her experience in starting Read-or-Die, which we hope will aid us in starting our local organization.
The meet-up will be on October 21, 2-4PM, in ??? SM Megamall. If you are interested to attend, please indicate your attendance in the Manila 3 talk page.
Sincerely,
The Philippine Community in the English Wikipedia
====Discussion about the invite====
:Please feel free to edit. If by the 12th we are lacking translations in some languages, I'll send the English one to those.--Nino Gonzales 04:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Invitation for other Philippine Wikipedias

message: Our Fellow Wikipedians,
We invite you to the 3rd Manila Wikipedia Meet-up where we have as our guest Kristine Mandigma, the head of the very successful non-profit organization Read-or-Die. We are initiating the local Wikimedia Foundation with the hope of accelerating the growth of the quantity and quality of Philippine-related articles. Ms. Mandigma will be sharing her experience in starting Read-or-Die, which we hope will aid us in starting our local organization.
The meet-up will be on October 21, 2-4PM, in ??? SM Megamall. If you are interested to attend, please indicate your attendance in the Manila 3 talk page.
Sincerely,
The Philippine Community in the English Wikipedia
====Discussion about the invite====
:Please feel free to edit. If by the 12th we are lacking translations in some languages, I'll send the English one to those.--Nino Gonzales 04:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sample English Invitation

message: :Please feel free to edit. If by the 12th we are lacking translations in some languages, I'll send the English one to those.--Nino Gonzales 04:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion about the invite

message: Mga igkasi-Wikipedianhon,
Gin-iimbita kamo namon han ika-3 nga Kirigta hin Wikipedia (Wikipedia Meet-up) ha Manila nga diin an aton ispisyal nga bisita amo hi Kristine Mandigma, an namumuno han  Read-or-Die, nga usa nga malinamposon nga non-profit nga organisasyon.  Gintitikang namon an Wikimedia Philippines Foundation agod madagmitan an pagpadukwag han kadamo ngan kalidad han mga barasahon nga nahanunungod han Pilipinas.  Igsasaro ha aton ni Ms. Mandigma an iya dinangatan han pagtikang han Read-or-Die, nga unta makabulig ha aton han pagtikang han aton lokal nga organisasyon.
Dida hiton Oktubre 21, 2-4 PM ha ??? SM Megamall iton kirigta. Kon interesado kamo tumambong, alayon hin pagpasabot hini dida han Manila 3 Talk Page.
Matinudanon,
An Pilipinhon nga Komunidad ha Iningles nga Wikipedia  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harvzsf (talk • contribs) 03:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Waray-Waray Wikipedia

message: Here are the partial list of users. We could invite some of them in our meetings. --Exec8 01:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Note: Pinay06 is currently out of the country (sorry I can't disclose her location per her request), but if needs must be I can invite her to participate. Thanks. --- Tito Pao 21:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Active Wiki Users and Contributors

message: *Bentong Isles
** Sorry I could not. :( --Bentong Isles 08:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cebuano - everyone here has been invited --[[User:Nino Gonzales|Nino Gonzales]] 03:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC) 

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Date: October 21, Sunday. 
Time: 2:00pm - 4:00pm. 
Venue: Starbucks in The Podium.
===Latest email thread (forwarded to the folks who have provided their emails)===
I am still confused where is the exact venue. Is it in Megamall or is it in The Podium? If it is in Megamall, where in Megamall? --Exec8 14:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manila 3: Final date, time and venue 

message: I am still confused where is the exact venue. Is it in Megamall or is it in The Podium? If it is in Megamall, where in Megamall? --Exec8 14:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest email thread (forwarded to the folks who have provided their emails)

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...
*Second, I would like to finalize the roll call for the third Manila Wikipedia meetup.  So far, six people are going tomorrow.
===Roll call for Manila 3===
The following people are going:
*Nino Gonzales
*Tito Pao
*Jojit
*Lenticel
*Seav
*Sky Harbor (yours truly)
Anyway, if you are going, list yourselves above so we can plan accordingly.  Remember to make time if you are going: it's at 2:00 PM at Starbucks at the Podium.  --Sky Harbor 04:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad, bad news: I'm actually at work while I'm writing this, I hadn't expected that my schedule would have changed so briefly =( I'll try to catch up as much as I can. --- Tito Pao 00:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Important issues

message: The following people are going:
*Nino Gonzales
*Tito Pao
*Jojit
*Lenticel
*Seav
*Sky Harbor (yours truly)
Anyway, if you are going, list yourselves above so we can plan accordingly.  Remember to make time if you are going: it's at 2:00 PM at Starbucks at the Podium.  --Sky Harbor 04:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad, bad news: I'm actually at work while I'm writing this, I hadn't expected that my schedule would have changed so briefly =( I'll try to catch up as much as I can. --- Tito Pao 00:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Roll call for Manila 3

message: Hindi naman ako mukhang inaantok no. Slight lang. :) Galing kasi ako Laguna nun--Lenticel (talk) 12:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures