Talk:Piet Mondrian

message: This article contradicts itself. First it is said that Mondriaan changed his name te Mondrian between 1905 and 1907, then it is stated that he changed when he went to Paris in 1912. At least one of those statements must be false.
Dranghek (talk) 19:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name change, when?

message: I believe this article is really excellent.  In fact, I was surprised how good it was when I first came to wikipedia, given the lackluster state of articles concerning some other artists.  Perhaps it is time to submit it to peer review.  Though there are some obvious holes, such as a lack of info on his personal life, I think this is quite close to becoming featured article worthy.  Any thoughts, objections?--Sophitus 03:52, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
:About his personal life: there isn't really much to tell about it. Mondrian was one of the few artists where his life was really all about his art. He didn't have children and had little interest in marriage. There are a few things which might be interesting, but those focus on his relationships with other artists (such as Theo van Doesburg), where it is, again, about his art.
:Husky 10:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review

message: I would like to know: does anyone know if Gestalt Psychology, popular after WWII, had any influence?  His Compositions seem to reverberate, like the figure foreground principle(the two faces with the vase).  Also, I want to say he had a contribution, while in Europe to the Bauhaus-who came first Lissistzky or Mondrian-  
/Mondrian was the father of modern advertising./
Looking at his compositions makes my eyes reverberate.  Does this happen to any one else
And most importantly to me,  Is this pure abstraction,or rather, is he a formalist/aesthetician, or what?
jazzman
Another question, An art teacher once told me that past of his theory featured a kind of "back to basics" approach to graphic comunication, and that it was from there that the  black grid surged, since it consist of horizontal and vertical lines are the most basic and constitute a large part of all written and graphic language, there's only maybe 1 slight reference to this when it is said "I believe it is possible that, through horizontal and vertical lines constructed with awareness, but not with calculation, led by high intuition, and brought to harmony and rhythm, these basic forms of beauty, supplemented if necessary by other direct lines or curves, can become a work of art, as strong as it is true." which still has no citation, and is supposedly a quoting mondrian.
is there any kind of evidence of this  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angry Mushi (talk • contribs) 18:41, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  some questions I d like to find answers to 

message: Concerns were raised that this article infringes on ; however, it is my conclusion that the uploader of the content to Wikipedia is the same person as the author of that article, and so we have been granted a licensed under the GFDL for that content.  Kelly Martin (talk) 15:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kelly, your conclusion is correct. I am the author of both. If I was supposed to make that clear, I apologize. Craigz 05:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright question 

message: There are a lot of portions of this article that strike me as sounding pretty worshipful, more like an insert at an art museum, than a non POV description of the artist. "He was a great artist" for example is an opinion not shared by all. It almost sounds more like an artistic hagiography. Andacar 16:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: The link named The Red Mill in the list of Mondrian's works leads to a wrong article.
--Trilby*foxglove 21:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong link 

message: 'View from the Dunes with Beach and Piers, Domburg', oil and pencil on cardboard painting by Mondrian, 1909, Museum of Modern Art, (New York City).jpg==
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for an Image

message: There is a dispute about how his paintings should be described in terms of colour. This currently seems to be being argued on the basis of personal observation. I have found a reference, namely the Tate gallery which says:
:Returned to Holland in 1914 and step by step evolved a more simplified abstract style which he called Neo-Plasticism, restricted to the three primary colours and to a grid of black vertical and horizontal lines on a white ground
If you want to change this definition, then first please find a source to do so and discuss on this talk page. 
Tyrenius (talk) 00:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strictly speaking, the Tate is certainly correct. But you know how artists are: . Always exceptions. Seriously, though, rapid research finds that after 1920 he abandoned gray for the abstraction as described above. JNW (talk) 00:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

text: As an uninvolved observer (called in by a report on WP:AIV due to incivility by an anon editor)  I'd say that the article itself appears a bit self-contradictory. The second paragraph of Piet Mondrian#Paris 1919–1938 definitely mentions grey more than once. Perhaps the problem is that whereas that section is talking about early work, the reference from the Tate speaks of later evolution, and the article lead-in doesn't make it clear that there was evolution. I'd also note that at least one instance of PM's later work such as Broadway Boogie-Woogie uses a colour described by the New York Museum of Modern Art as "light gray". Tonywalton Talk 00:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As you say, always the exception. As most of Mondrian's notable paintings are his black line, primary color paintings I think the opening covers that basic point well. Thank you again however for your input. Modernist (talk) 01:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Neo-Plasticism was in fact an ideal art in which the basic elements of painting - colour, line form - were used only in their purest, most fundamental state: only primary colours and non-colours, only squares and rectangles, only straight and horizontal or vertical lines.
"Non-colours" because grey isn't a colour. It seems appropriate, if grey is going to be mentioned, that it is not done so in a way that makes it equivalent to the primaries. Tyrenius (talk) 01:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Colour dispute

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Mondrian broadway boogie-woogie.gif

message: Under the section "Death" of the article, this sentence: 
"On 3 February 1944, a memorial, attended by nearly 200, was held for Mondrian, at the Universal Chapel on Lexington Ave and 52nd St. in New York City."
is immediately followed by three indented lists of names in each of three categories (two lists of artists, one of notable others).  No explanation is given for what these lists of names is doing there.
1.  I suspect that this is supposed to be a list of those notables in the art world in attendance at the memorial.  If this is to be included in the article, this needs to be explained.
2. Is there really any reason to include a list of notables in the art world who attended the memorial?  I don't think so.Daqu (talk) 17:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unexplained list needs explanation

message: See the top of the page: discussion now closed. Geometry guy 17:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Reassessment 

message: I removed the following trivia. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References In pop culture

message: Please compare the images on http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/mondrian/ with Composition 10 and Composition with Yellow, Blue, and Red currently included in the Piet Mondrian article. Composition 10 is also shown at the Abstract art "gallery" - and actually looks like drawn with MS paint. - Armin B. Wagner (talk) 15:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad fakes or really bad photography

message: The work illustrated is not the 1921 painting with that title, but rather a work from 1937-42. The use of doubled lines and lines of color is a development of the late 1930s and not typical of Mondrian's work of the 1920s. While it is true that the 1921 date is frequently given on the web, this is an obvious error. Please consult the definitive catalog of Mondrian's work by Yve-Alain Bois and others. I trained with Dr. Bois and I am an art history Ph.D. I have again corrected the date. Please do not change it back.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.126.169.83 (talk) 12:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You might like to add a reference. See WP:REFB. Ty 11:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date for Composition with Yellow, Blue and Red is incorrect 

message: As someone is trying to change the title of the work, it should be noted that Tate, linked here, calls the 1937-42 work Composition with Yellow, Blue and Red and so should we. freshacconci talktalk 20:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of ''Composition with Yellow, Blue and Red'' 

message: The article describes "Lozenge Composition with Yellow, Black, Blue, Red, and Gray" as having coloured lines. However, a Google Image search shows that it does not. See also this flickr photo of the piece hanging in a museum Themystic ca (talk) 15:03, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of "Lozenge Composition with Yellow, Black, Blue, Red, and Gray" error? 

message: The Mondrian/Bauhaus connection seems important enough to mention in the article, yet it is totally omitted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.6.134 (talk) 14:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mondrian in Bauhaus 

message: Though it's been reverted, there was merit to this removal of unsourced or poorly sourced content . In fact, the entire section on wall works needs references. JNW (talk) 17:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's unclear if you are responding to the previous post by JNW dated 3 December 2013 (UTC), or are instead simply adding some useful sources. Did you mean to start a new thread, perhaps? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm adding references on the wall works section, if it is the wrong section please help me to put in another. thank and sorry Ethnoflorence (talk) 16:31, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

text: In any case and if you need I can to give references and sources also for the other sections of the Piet Mondrian page Ethnoflorence (talk) 16:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Yes, you need to add them into the article, if they do support what is written there. By the way, you do not need to sign twice - just use "four tildes". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Just use "four tildes" to sign? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

text: If these source specifically support article content they should (each) be added, in line, at the appropriate place. If not, they could be added in a "Further reading" section, although such sections usually contain entire books, not just snippets of articles or a few pages of a book. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced and inadequately sourced content 

message: I would like to add at the page that the Wall Works composition number 5 and 6 were exhibited for the first time in 1982 at the Sidney Janis Gallery of New York in the Show: Mondrian + Brancusi. And that the wall compositions n 2 and 3  are exhibited in the Tate Liverpool show "Mondrian and his Studios" ( 6 June - 5 October 2014). Ethnoflorence (talk)
References for both the exhibitions are the relative catalogs sources in the files of the Piet Mondrian/Holtman Trust Archive and for the first also the Harry Holtzman Paper Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library Yale University http://drs.library.yale.edu/HLTransformer/HLTransServlet?stylename=yul.ead2002.xhtml.xsl&pid=beinecke:holtzman&clear-stylesheet-cache=yes
:: Before editing, Ethnoflorence, please familiarize yourself with the proper manner in which to do so: punctuation, spacing, brackets, spelling, lower and upper case, grammar, etc. Post here first, so we can discuss and make corrections before you publish. Thanks in advance. Coldcreation (talk) 23:55, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not sure I understand. Why would you like to include this in the encyclopedic article? Coldcreation (talk) 11:27, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wall Works 

message: I Would like to add :
Piet Mondrian Papers. General Collection, Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library, Yale University.
http://drs.library.yale.edu/HLTransformer/HLTransServlet?stylename=yul.ead2002.xhtml.xsl&pid=beinecke:mondrian&clear-stylesheet-cache=yes
Ethnoflorence (talk) 17:31, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree to those. Second not ideal, as relies on Google translate. But looks very useful. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  EXTERNAL LINKS 

message: Ethnoflorence, You need to add references to the text you just added about the Wall works. Also, much, if not all, of the text was copy-pasted from other websites. That too will be removed if not modified. Coldcreation (talk) 20:27, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced section: Wall works 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is an article online (link) that claims two of Mondrian's works were on the Degenerate Art Exhibition. Can this be confirmed and if so, put into the article?--Adûnâi (talk) 02:01, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Degenerate art 

message: Removing this section from article. It is nothing more that an unsourced list with occasional external links. If someone cares to create List of works by Piet Mondrian feel free to do so. Note, without proper sourcing, some/many of these titles could correspond to fakes or forgeries. Coldcreation (talk) 16:56, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partial list of works 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: I have just reverted the removal of  The Wikipedia Stub template 20C-painting-stub uses Composition with Red, Blue, and Yellow for the icon. by User:Fish bowl. My reasoning for keeping it in the article is that it was chosen to be representative of 20th century painting for the Stub which implies a degree of community consensus that it is better suited than something by Andy Warhol, Roy Lichtenstein, Pablo Picasso and the like which implies a degree of importance to the fact. Gusfriend (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia use in References in culture 

message: The set of The Rachel Maddow Show on MSNBC is Mondrian 2600:1700:DFB0:90E0:98A3:B4D4:BAA9:A881 (talk) 14:33, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy 

message: Oneida makes a flatware pattern called Amsterdam that is Mondrian. 2600:1700:DFB0:90E0:98A3:B4D4:BAA9:A881 (talk) 14:42, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy 

message: — Assignment last updated by Driap305 (talk) 12:46, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: 20th-21st Century Art, Performance and Media

message: A Mondrian-like painting is visible in the bedroom of Oliver and Lisa Douglas in the television program Green Acres. 50.252.208.253 (talk) 14:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Green Acres? The American television sitcom that first aired on CBS from 1965 to 1971? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green Acres