Talk:Scottish Americans

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: A series of edits on October 30, 2018 made changes to ethnic categories, population counts and percentages in section "Scottish Americans by state‎" not backed up by sources.  For example, in these edits, figures were changed to up the count of Irish-Americans from 80k to 200k, and drop that of Scottish-Americans from 280k to 130k with no references. (Why it took 36 edits to change five figures is anybody's guess.) Mathglot (talk) 00:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Backed out this series of 54 edits to version 859887426 of  23:15, September 16, 2018 by BilCat. This also undid eleven more recent edits by seven users; those have been reinstated, with a couple of exceptions (see edit summary). Mathglot (talk) 06:56, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: Only about 5 million Americans report Scottish ancestry, and only about 4-5 million report Scotch-Irish ancestry. Jim Webb's "Born Fighting" is not a reliable source and isn't appropriate for this article. We're having the same problem on the Irish American page, where Scotch-Irish partisan editors are using dubious sources to make similar changes.Jonathan f1 (talk) 19:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Scratch that -- the latest census figures I could find state the Scottish American population to be about 5.3 million and the Scotch-Irish Americans are roughly 2.9 million. And I used the same reference in this article (US Census, but for the year 2013).Jonathan f1 (talk) 22:22, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Again with the 25 million figure.. 

message: The article states (in the lead) that: 
This seems to perpetuate the myth that those descended from migrants from Scotland are predominantly of Highland descent. The vast majority of emigrating Scots were Lowlanders. Yes, there were Highland emigrants, but the romantic vision tends to overcome historical accuracy. The actual history, as conveyed by one of Scotland's leading historians is:
Furthermore, many more Scots emigrated in the years after the clearances, and certainly long after the Jacobite rebellion. There was an accelerating flow of emigrants from the middle of the 19th century, with a temporary pause for the First World War; large-scale Scottish emigration only ceased with the Great Depression. To look at some hard numbers, Marjory Harper in her Emigration from Scotland Between the Wars, in setting the general context of Scottish emigration (pg 2), gives the following background. In the century before the First World War almost 2,000,000 people left Scotland, which in 1911 had a population of 4,760,904. The population of the Highlands has never much exceeded 300,000. Furthermore, if you look at the number of Scottish emigrants as a percentage of the natural increase in population, you get:27.6%    1855-60rising to 54.1%     1881-90and reaching84.3%      1901-1910and exceeding the natural population increase in 1907, 1910 and 1911-13.So most of emigrating Scots left long after the days of the clearances, and the sheer numbers involved meant that only some of them could originate in the Highlands.
I suggest that some corrective rephrasing is needed.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 12:39, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be worth pointing out that the article uses the word "Highland" 35 times, and "Lowland" 9 times. If these numbers were reversed, it would be closer to the respective proportions of migrants from each of these two regions of Scotland (though still over-representing the Highlands). It is disturbing to see a Wikipedia article which is a good example of the treatment of this subject that is ridiculed by the academic historians who study it. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 00:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  emigration mythology