Talk:Red string (Kabbalah)

message: Also, it was my vague understanding that using red string is not even a standard practice amongst adherents of the Kabbalah.  It's more of a fringe affectation adopted by the London Kabbalah center and other non-mainstream institutions.  Can someone comment on this and add to the article if need be.  Thanks Christianjb 09:39, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I plead total ignorance!  I'd like to see other's thoughts on this though. Christianjb 10:09, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Standard Kabbalah practice?

message: A contributor was demanding to know 'how Red String Works'. This is a little like demanding to see a Rainbow. True, you can spray water into the air and create a fake Rainbow, but that is like Stage Magic faking genuine Occult actions. It is probably a 'unconscious mental agreement' between the person wearing the string and whatever he/she believes energises the string. Call it auto suggestion, call it faith, call it being a fool, whatever.Johnwrd (talk) 16:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demanding to know how Occult Phenomenon works. 

message: The above quote by a Rabbi states that there is no record of a red thread tied about the wrist in the Torah, but this is simply untrue.  The historical beginnings of a scarlet thread, tied about the wrist, are indeed written in the Torah, and can be found in the first book of Moses, which is the same as the Book of Genesis in the Holy Bible.  In Genesis, chapter 38, Judah (one of Jacob's twelve sons; the twelve patriarchs of Israel) came to know his daughter-in-law, Tamar, who became pregnant by Judah, and gave birth to twin boys.  The following verses about Tamar, are taken from the standard King James Bible:
:Genesis, chapter 38:
:27 - And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb. 
:28 - And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first. 
:29 - And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. 
:30 - And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.
Thus, we can see the scriptural documentation of a scarlet thread being tied about the wrist, and that it originated in the Torah, which makes up the first five books of the old testament.  This was a very important event in biblical history, which is why Moses wrote about it in such detail.  Judah's descendants became the king line, which combined with the sons of Levi (the priesthood) to form the House of Judah.  Ultimately, through king David would come Jesus Christ.  The descendants of Zarah have worn a scarlet thread about the wrist in memory of this event.  Study would be required to determine whether this scarlet thread worn by the descendants of Zarah is in any way connected to the red thread worn by followers of Kabbalah.
This is clearly Original Research. Also, trying a string around a baby's arm to mark the first born is just a practical action, and has no spiritual significance. It's mentioned there to show where the name came from. Ariel. (talk) 02:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Biblical History

message: There are several typos on the article page, such as in the first two sentences: "This so called red string actually not kabalistic at all, it's origin is of idol worship. Lot's of arabs make business from this and exploit ignorant tourists to buy this fake string." Consider, perhaps, "This so-called red string is actually not kabbalistic at all; its origin is of idol worship. Lots of Arabs make business from this and exploit ignorant tourists to buy this fake string." From a heading in the article: "Why it's not a Traditional Jewish beliefs?" might be "Why it's not a Traditional Jewish belief", or better yet, a heading more in line with the rest of Wikipedia's standards, such as "Origin". The quality of this article's language and grammar doesn't match Wikipedia's usual standards, but I don't feel qualified to fix it myself.
More importantly, does anyone else share concerns of this article's language taking a partisan stance? Calling it a "so-called" red string assumes that the string itself is false, rather than the popularly supposed belief system it hails from or the protection it provides. Perhaps by leaving out that phrase, both the grammatical implications and the partisan slant on the issue might be sidestepped. Similarly, "Lot's of arabs [sic]" might be construed as offensive--as might referring to an alternate religion in the first sentence as "idol worship." If I'm way off-base, please ignore this.
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thread_title:  Proofreading and quality considerations 

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message: The article says that “ There is no written mention in the Torah, Halacha, or Kabbala [which should be Kabbalah] about tying a red string around the wrist” but then contradicts itself in the next segment, with “A scarlet thread, tied about the wrist, is mentioned in Genesis 38” Aromantic Frogge (talk) 14:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biblical History 

message: Rishi doesn't wear the Jewish band. He wears the Hindu Kautuka,  as explained in the cited source, which someone has confused with the Jewish band. 2A02:C7D:2D53:7F00:4114:C131:94C:3D43 (talk) 08:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rishi Sunak