Talk:Francis II Rákóczi

message: Did some minor rewording to make the article clearer and remove POV. There is no information about his marriage (who he married, when, etc.), or the birth of his sons...I'll see what I can find. --Marysunshine 20:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Got their names and a wedding month, but no birthdates yet. --Marysunshine 22:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: There are many things in that, what could be used for the new article. So I don't think we need an absolutely new content. I don't know the exact english terminology, but it was a war of independence, so why should we use uprising?--Kun25 20:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: List of geographical names in the article
Kassa – simple case, Latin name Kassovia or Cassovia (I propose the first one)
::The correct name was regularly Cassovia spelled with a C 
Trencsén – Latin name Trentsinium
::The name was spelled Trenchinium in the 18th century
counties:
Sáros – Comitatus Sarrossiensis
Trencsén – Comitatus Trentsiniensis
Nógrád – Comitatus Neogradiensis
Szabolcs – Comtitatus Szabolcsensis
Szatmár – Comitatus Szathmariensis
The nouns derived from this adjectives are: Saros, Trentsin, Neograd, Szabolcs, Szathmar
::The problem with the Latin county names is that they are new (18th/19th century) versions usually derived from Hungarian, and the older versions are very hard to detect in the literature. But anyway, we should use the whole Latin names (after all "comitatus" is even the more correct English term)
Towns without Latin names:
Sárospatak, Regéc, Sátoraljaújhely, Tokaj, Szécsény, Munkács, Ungvár
Only the later names can be problematic:
Ungvár: First mentioned in Gesta Hungarorum as „Castrum Hung” and „Hungvar”. In the beginning of the 14th century „oppidum seu castellum Ungwar”. In 1430 get his town priviliges as „Privililegatium oppidum Ungvar”. 19th century cenuses the town had a strong Magyar majority (1910: 16’919 people, 13’590 Magyar, 1219 Slovak, 1151 German and only 641 Ukrainian). – I propose the use of the Magyar name as it was consistently used in official documents.
Munkács: first mentioned in 1263 under the name „villa Munkach”. According to the Gesta Hungarorum the name is derived from the Hungarian word „munka” (labour). In 1342 mentioned as „castrum Mounkach”. Latin inscription from the castle in 1629: „ Cura et Fide Generosi DNI Ioannis Balling de Gelse Summi Capitanei Arcis ac Praesidii Munkacz”. In the 19th century cenuses the town had a strong Magyar majority (1910: 17’275 people, 12’686 Magyar, 3078 German). – I propose the use of the Magyar name as it was consistently used in official documents, of course with different typographies.
Nagymajtény: I didn’t found medieval sources yet, but the population is exclusively Hungarian in the end of the 19th century (no other nationalities in census). All three important village conscriptions in the first half of the 19th century (Csánky, Lipszky, Fényes) called Nagymajtény or Majtény.
::Where is this settlement? 
::::I have found it: 1332-1337 Mochtin (cf. Czech Mochtín), 1348 Mohten, 1387 Mahtyn, 1490 Maythen 
and 1553 Maythén, 1601 Maytin, 1773 opp. Nagy Majtény, 1808 opp. Majtény (Nagy-) or Majding (German name). The it is obvious that the adjective was only used from the second part of the 18th century. Zello 17:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am quite sure there is corresponding Ukrainian literature and webpages on these names, but I do not have them and have no time for such research. So, for lack of data, let's take Munkács and Nagymajtény. Therefore just general remarks for the future:  What you cite (first mention and town privileges) is actually not sufficient evidence, because many purely Slovak settlements are mentioned under the Hungarian name versions in exactly the same cases too (the first one by coincidence, the second one because the king spoke Hungarian in the 13th century). And as for the population around 1900 - the situation in 1900 and 1700 is completely different in this respect (take Budapest 1830 vs. 1883 as an example), you would have to use censuses (population lists) from the early 19th century at least.  Juro 00:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: Thus in many articles I read I saw that translations are also in the article. About a geographical place it is ok to be there, but with names? And anachronisms. Kosice was called Cassovia, then Kassa from 1000 to 1919. All, who wants to know what Cassovia is, he/she simply clicks on it. This is what redirects are for. To avoid anachronisms (in fact the rewrinting of the history, ) No need for translations it into a foreign language. Simply write the name used at that time by the ppl or the place. They used their Hungarian name primarly, Francis II Rákóczi was (as Emmerich Thököly) a ruler so their names shoud stay in english (as the usual practice according to rulers.) --VinceB 09:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: As the official language of the Kingdom of Hungary was Latin until 1867 , using Hungarian names for cities etc. before this date is anachronistic. Since the Latin name that was used at the time can scarcely be found, we should list all the places with their modern names.Wladthemlat (talk) 16:35, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
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