Talk:Ryukyuan languages

message: The figures for the number of speakers of each language merely reflect the total population of each speech community. This is entirely unrealistic given that these are endangered languages, most of which are only spoken by the older generation. I would suggest that these figures be deleted until more precise evidence is provided, perhaps based on the population figures for people over a certain age. An even more accurate picture could be gained by providing a breakdown of the numbers of fluent speakers, semi-speakers, and those with limited speaking skills but good receptive skills in the languages. --Markusdow (talk) 23:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of speakers 

message: I've renamed this article from Ryukyuan languages to Ryūkyūan languages in accordance with the guidelines in the Manual of Style for Japanese articles. Bobo12345 12:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved it back, as Ryukyuan is English and not Japanese. I don't think there will be much support for Ryukyugo, so it should likely be here. See the talk at MOS:JP. Dekimasu 05:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article renamed 

message: "Nonetheless, proper noun in Okinawa still retains its uniqueness, ..." <-- What is this supposed to mean, please? Is it simply unclear grammar/style, or is it outright nonsense (vandalism)? Do you mean to say that places and the subjects of other proper nouns in Okinawa continue to be referred to by the Okinawan name, that they retain their original non-Japanese names? LordAmeth 16:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's what it means. It's just a poor grammer. As the sentence is rather ambiguous, I'm going to delete it. Kzaral 15:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper noun? 

message: All "Ryukyuan languages belong to Japonic language" statements rely on their similiarities or relations on voice. That means they (Ryukyuan languages) contain large numbers of cognates with Japonic languages. However, are they (those cognates) in basic vocabulary? If not, they were likely old loan words. So I added the Austronesian languages possibilities. --59.108.199.144 (talk) 11:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Language family]] dispute

message: It sounds like the Modern history section was written by a non-native speaker of English. There are lots of... issues with grammar. Can someone look it over and correct it? I don't have time right now. 128.192.98.201 (talk) 19:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like someone went in and replaced some sentences for no good reason. The new version makes almost no sense. I reverted. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 13:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern History 

message: My ja-3 friend can't fathom how トン普通語 could mean 'potato standard'. What does Amami have to do with potato? Also, the source cited is just gibberish symbols. ~Crazytales (talk) (edits) 05:53, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to change the page's encoding to properly view it. But looking at the page, I'm unclear of whether "ton futsūgo" is referring to the traditional Amami language, or the modern Amami-Japanese dialect. — Io Katai ᵀᵃˡᵏ 14:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I am removing the "dubious" annotation because it was evidently added by someone who didn't know how to set his browser's character encoding to Shift_JIS, and so didn't read the referenced page. It is explained there that トン means potato.  What does Amami have to do with potato? Probably the same thing that limes have to do with the British ("limeys"), etc. 192.139.122.42 (talk) 23:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if you didn't make the edit or someone undid it, but I've removed the dubious claim, and confirmed that it does refer to Amami-accented Japanese with Kyoww. — Io Katai ᵀᵃˡᵏ 14:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: Note that the decline of the Ryukyuan languages was largely abetted by the Ryukyuans themselves, who wrote and spoke in standard Japanese on purpose along with encouragement in official policy. The Ryukyuans saw themselves and their language as backwards. general sources about the language are availible here.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8guTfpBKm5kC&printsec=frontcover&dq=okinawa+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3Mt-UqH2H4PD4AOBi4DYAw&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=okinawa%20language&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=hAss0HdHS3gC&pg=PA181&dq=okinawa+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3Mt-UqH2H4PD4AOBi4DYAw&ved=0CEgQ6wEwAw#v=onepage&q=okinawa%20language&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=KYJG21ajeUQC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=2Nduy93hZngC&pg=PA149&dq=loochoo+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wM1-Uo_YN8W64APJv4GICg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=loochoo%20language&f=false
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2014/08/25/voices/use-lose-theres-stake-language-reviving-ryukyuan-tongues/#.VAIspcu9KSM
Secondary mentions
http://books.google.com/books?id=sVY9AQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA2&dq=luchu+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ns5-UuvuH6bE4AP58YD4DQ&ved=0CDQQ6wEwAA#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=6EbOAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA2&dq=luchu+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ns5-UuvuH6bE4AP58YD4DQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=8GMFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA174&dq=luchu+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ns5-UuvuH6bE4AP58YD4DQ&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=o0EOAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA99&dq=luchu+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ns5-UuvuH6bE4AP58YD4DQ&ved=0CEQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZyYqAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA99&dq=luchu+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ns5-UuvuH6bE4AP58YD4DQ&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=fKdBAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA535&dq=luchu+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ns5-UuvuH6bE4AP58YD4DQ&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=whBTAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA99&dq=luchu+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ns5-UuvuH6bE4AP58YD4DQ&ved=0CGgQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=lyAQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA307&dq=luchu+language++supplement&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yc5-UpmKHcXJ4AP2woHgCw&ved=0CEsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language%20%20supplement&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=6EbOAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA2&dq=luchu+language++supplement&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yc5-UpmKHcXJ4AP2woHgCw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language%20%20supplement&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=sVY9AQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA2&dq=luchu+language++supplement&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yc5-UpmKHcXJ4AP2woHgCw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language%20%20supplement&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q3gYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA282&dq=loochooan+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WNB-UtO-CMe34AOG24G4Bg&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=loochooan%20language&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=UG3QHpMrfo8C&pg=PA282&dq=loochooan+language&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WNB-UtO-CMe34AOG24G4Bg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA
Modern
http://books.google.com/books?id=U-f_lylDECkC&pg=PT235&dq=luchu+language++supplement&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yc5-UpmKHcXJ4AP2woHgCw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language%20%20supplement&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=vaAKJQyzpLkC&pg=PA497&dq=luchu+language++supplement&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yc5-UpmKHcXJ4AP2woHgCw&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=luchu%20language%20%20supplement&f=false
03:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language policies 

message: Talk:Languages_of_China#Foreign_relations_and_the_bureau_of_translation_in_the_ming_dynasty
Transcription of Ryukyuan words with Chinese characters. The text is public domain.
使琉球錄  夷語 夷字
https://zh.wikisource.org/zh-hant/使琉球錄_(蕭崇業)/附
http://zh.wikisource.org/zh-hant/使琉球錄_(蕭崇業)/附
https://zh.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=使琉球錄_%28蕭崇業%29%2F附&variant=zh-hant
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2107652161
http://books.google.com/books/about/使琉球錄.html?id=Q6JrnQEACAAJ
http://books.google.com/books/about/使琉球錄.html?id=ITlZmQEACAAJ
http://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/6540655
http://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/9230908
Shi Liuqiu lu : Yi yu yi zi fu / [Chen Kan zhuan]
使琉球錄 : 夷語夷字附 / [陳侃撰]
Author/Creator:
Chen, Kan, 1489-1538. 
陳侃, 1489-1538.
https://zh.wikisource.org/zh-hant/重修使琉球錄
使琉球录三种-夷语（附）_国学导航
http://www.guoxue123.com/biji/ming/slql/008.htm
The list of words were appended to a text relating to Ming era missions to Ryukyu, specifically the mission of Chen Kan in 1534
Imperial Chinese missions to Ryukyu Kingdom
0-使琉球录-明-陈侃
http://wenxian.fanren8.com/06/15/80/0.htm
國朝典故卷之一百二　　使琉球錄（明）陳侃 撰
http://www.guoxue123.com/other/gcdg/gcdg/107.htm
Rajmaan (talk) 19:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese records on Ryukyu language 

message: I see :File:Billboards_in_Okinawan.jpg embedded in the article, which shows an interesting modified hiragana. However, I can't find on Wikipedia how those kana are pronounced. For example, I see what looks like a modified ら on the billboard, but the kana doesn't appear under the Orthography section or the Okinawan scripts article? --Saledomo (talk) 04:08, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that someone erased parts of the characters on the left-most sign. So the unrecognizable ones would be ら (in いらいら), や (right after), and で (after 元). If you compare how the characters appear on the other signs, you'll notice that they match up. — Io Katai ᵀᵃˡᵏ 22:33, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that makes sense. Didn't think of that, ha ha. --Saledomo (talk) 16:27, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does the billboard say? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The sections on Proto-Ryukyuan should really be their own article; they have relatively little to do with the modern languages. 162.43.205.95 (talk) 19:57, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proto-Ryukyuan 

message: It would appear  wishes to alter the text regarding inter-intelligibility with Japanese. I sense that there is an NPOV and reliability issue. I encourage them to elaborate. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an official statement from Okinawa Prefecture. Check the source properly.Read this first[].It is problematic that you do not include the official announcement from Okinawa Prefecture. In the first place, they do not understand the origins of the Japanese language, and there are large numbers of areas in Japan where the language is even more difficult to understand than in Okinawa. Or rather, the old language.PeoplePowerRadio (talk) 00:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have read your source and it does not support your claim. WanderingMorpheme 00:38, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: From page 1 of this academic text—which takes primacy over a government infopage website as a reliable source—includes a passage that reads "there is no strong argument for referring to Ryukyuan languages as Japanese dialects: there is no mutual intelligibility between Ryukyuan and Japanese, and even between Amami, Okinawan, Miyako, and Yaeyama." ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

text: Context for further readers of this conversation: the user  has been blocked indefinitely. Apologies for the tiny chaos here. WanderingMorpheme 10:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intelligibility