Talk:Martin Luther King Jr./Archive 2

message: I have heard somewhere that Dr. King had affairs outside his marriage.  Is there any truth at all to this?  What about love children?  Certainly this does not define the person, but it would be encyclopedic to note this if any of those rumors have been confirmed.  Does anyone have any information on this?
My father (who is still alive) owned a charter fishing boat when he lived in Bimini, Bahamas in the 60's.  On several occasions, Dr. King would make use of my father's services and would be escorted by white women.  (Very little actual fishing was done.)  His affairs were known to many people on the island at the time. 68.187.192.107 01:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No original research on Wikipedia please, can we have a credible source for this pleaseTjb891 02:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Marital Infedelities

message: I noticed some guy blanking large chunks of this article with summaries accusing it of being "leftist propaganda". Most of it was vandalism, although I noticed this strange comment about Luther King Jr. and Charles Xavier that I thought he might have had a point on. Turns out he didn't - a quick look here  shows that Xavier is actually apparently based on the character. The strangest things, eh? Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs  14:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bizarre...but true 

message: To be expected on MLK day, I suppose. I just posted a blog entry mentioning the attacks on this page--and the defenders against them.  If you are interested, it is at: . I have tried to fix several instances of vandalism or POV attack, but so far today, another editor has carried out the task ahead of me.  Congratulations folks!--Cberlet 18:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wave of vandalism and POV

message: It's fascinating when a 50-year-old calumny is revived for the benefit of tarring King's reputation. This one in particular is nastier than most. See Highlander Research and Education Center; the "communist" accusation is verbatim from the segregationist Georgia Commission on Education. If you want to include it in a section entitled "unquestionable lies about King", please do so. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 00:09, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highlander folk school 

message: This section seems to, shall we say, closely follow this article dating from Jan 1995, which was recently dusted off from FAIR's archives and linked on their main page. Some parts are verbatim. Someone care to recraft the section so there's not obvious copyvio? 222.166.160.74 16:06, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Futher challenges section - rips off FAIR? 

message: Im doing a 1000 word essay on him. He's an amazing person!
I'm guessing you won't do so well on that "essEy" judging by your English skills ;) Weatherman90 03:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martin Luther King Jr. 

message: thought the final march with M.L. Kings final speech was on Wednesday, 28th august, 1963..... in the article there's somehow not this date named.....
: There are some major problems with the dates in the section on the March on Washington.  The march took place on August 28, 1963.  Bloody Sunday took place later, on March 7, 1965.  I'm not familiar enough with MLK to definitively say whether ot not the other events described in this section are correct.  Could someone with more knowledge about this clean this section up? - Maximusveritas 23:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  28th august, 1963 

message: King clearly worked with some communists, but to claim that "many" of his "advisors were avowed communists" is a stretch. The claim was made by some who sought to smear King as part of organized campaigns. I think it is unfair. Even if the Communist Party USA, claimed credit for "starting the civil rights movement," the claim is obviously false, and so why is it in this article other than to perpetuate a false smear?--Cberlet 12:43, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: King, communism, and smear campaigns

message: Martin Luther King Day says 1999, but here it says 1993. So, anybody know which is correct? 24.17.48.241 06:15, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The date was actually 2000, with New Hampshire passing the legislation to make the holiday in 1999.  The date has been updated on both pages and a reference has been included. --Allen3 talk 22:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 'All 50 states' date?

message: I dunno about everyone else, but reading "King married the late Coretta Scott" sounds to me like he married a dead person. Is this really proper English? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Married the late... 

message: King released recordings of several of his speeches as Motown LPs. Does he count to be placed in :Category:Motown performers? --FuriousFreddy 06:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motown 

message: I would like to add this video, but the chabal will not allow it, so how do I bring it to arbitration?
according to solargeneral.net they say: 
Most Popular Video: http://www.solargeneral.com/library/MartinLutherKing.rm 18,000x this video has been downloaded in Jan.
How do I get this video through arbitration to be added to the article?--Lokison 08:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Arbitration is not for discussing specific content. National Vanguard is a marginal race hate group. A link to their video is not appropriate for this page. In any case, there are usually a number of steps that need to be tried before arbitration is granted. For your information, in English the spelling is "cabal."  The spelling "chabal" is primarily used by antisemites to suggest secret Jewish control.--Cberlet 14:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Video on Martin Luther King Jr. by national vanguard

message: I recently added on to the section about MLK's 1966 Chicago Freedom March. Less than five minutes later, it was edited out. I mentioned his objective was to challenge de-facto segregation, only to be defeated by Northern hypocrisy. I can understand how those who defend MLK's legacy don't like to talk about Chicago as much as other parts of his public life since even his closest advisors have admitted that it was a defeat for his cause. But what I thought should be added to the section was that MLK was not only strongly opposed by American Nazi leader, George Lincoln Rockwell, but also by many influential local whites who had supported his cause down south. One reason could be that the Chicago Freedom March brought back memories of the 1919 race riots, which city residents did not wish to repeat. With that said, I strongly urge more additions on what was the biggest episode in Chicago history, prior to the 1968 Democratic convention.
*Sure. Provide us some sources providing this information -- in particular, the importance of Rockwell. WP:CITE. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 05:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chicago and De Facto Segregation

message: "An e-mail request to a variety of scholars to look at articles in their fields turned up some complaints. David Garrow, author of a Pulitzer-winning book about the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., replied: I called up their MLK entry, and right in the second sentence there's an obvious error: that King was awarded both the Nobel Peace Prize and the Presidential Medal of Freedom before he was assassinated. Wrong. He was awarded that presidential medal in 1977, by Jimmy Carter."" link 
Lotsofissues 09:59, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  King biographer comments on the article 

message: This article contends that King spent his last night on Earth in a liason with prostitutes and credits this to Ralph Abernathy while his book says nothing of the sort. This must be changed.
*Good. Fix it! --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 16:35, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last night on Earth 

message: "While some political opponents have used these findings to criticize King, most of the scholars in question have sought to put them into broader context; for example, Keith Miller, probably the foremost expert on language-borrowing in King's oratory, has argued that the practice falls within the tradition of African-American folk preaching, and should not necessarily be labeled plagiarism."
This is misleading and a cover up. Plagiarism is wrong and if you are caught doing it you should be denied your degree. It is not ok under any circumstances but this article is saying that its ok for blacks and common. Why should they be held to another standard? King clearly didnt earn his PHD and there is a clear POV violation. Who is Keith Miller and why does his cleverly placed remark deserve to be in the article? 
71.131.205.182 07:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How can an encyclopedia state that something is subconcious or not? 156.63.14.90 18:55, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  authorship issues 

message: I've restored the older (and consensus) version of the info on his name and removed the following: 
:Birth records for Martin Luther King Jr. list his first name as Michael which was his father's birth name as well. Even though there are no records of the name change, Michael King Sr. changed his and his son's name in honor of the sixteenth-century German church reformer Martin Luther.   King's family background was multiracial of African-American, Native American, and Irish (his paternal grandmother was Irish-American) mixture.
While some is this is cited from the online ref "New Georgia Encyc." this is one of many varying versions on the Internet, and I could find no corroborating info to back it up.
Please see the Snopes.com page on this controversy BCorr|Брайен 18:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name issue...again 

message: The anonymous user was right; they should be capitalized. I just don't know how to do a global search and replace in my browser.--Bite the Wax Tadpole 01:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  White and Black are ethnicities 

message: The continual reverting of my addition is unjustified and racially motivated. You need to check your race at the door and stop trying to use a website like Snopes to justify your denial of the truth as presented by The New Georgia Encyclopedia.
*Please discuss this here rather than repeatedly putting in a change that's already been discussed and rejected. There is conflicting evidence here, most of which contradicts the New Georgia Encyclopedia. Snopes isn't a primary or secondary source, but it makes good use of them, and is particularly good at researching confusions like this. As far as "racially motivated" is concerned: what the heck are you talking about? Why should it make any difference (racially speaking) what name is on his birth certificate? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Snopes over an Encyclopedia?

message: Considering the sheer amount of vandalism this article suffers, I would suggest we ask the administrators to block anonymous and new users from editing this article.--Vercalos 21:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was semi-protected at my request shortly after Corretta Scott King's funeral as it seemed to be drawing a lot of attention since that was in the news. Right now, the vandalism isn't quite as bad as it was at that point.  If it gets worse, request the semi-protect again. AUTiger ʃ talk/work 05:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rampant Vandalism 

message: Might I suggest some level of protection, given the number of times the article has been vandalized today?Dlohcierekim 20:32, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-protect

message: He was a COMMI....not a "Social Demorcrat"... what the hell is difference! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.40.6 (talk • contribs) 
:The difference is that America doesn't celebrate Commie Day... --Chodorkovskiy 10:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias is Unbelievable! 

message: Would all this information as to whether or not James Earl Ray pulled the trigger be more appropriate on James Earl Ray? Elvrum 19:25, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assassination, conspiracy, James Earl Ray etc 

message: Recently I watched a documentary on King.  What is here only a few lines, was about 10 mins of a 2 hour doco.  Dr King had many affairs with many women.  Often (if memory serves) more than one woman at a time.  This is a significant point, as it is is often used to discredit King, and it deserves more than the few lines that it gets here.
Riff—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Riff Johnson (talk • contribs) .
My father (who is still alive) owned a charter fishing boat when he lived in Bimini, Bahamas in the 60's.  On several occasions, Dr. King would make use of my father's services and would be escorted by white women.  (Very little actual fishing was done.)  His affairs were known to many people on the island at the time.
My father (who is still alive) owned a charter fishing boat when he lived in Bimini, Bahamas in the 60's.  On several occasions, Dr. King would make use of my father's services and would be escorted by white women.  (Very little actual fishing was done.)  His affairs were known to many people on the island at the time. 68.187.192.107 01:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Marital Infedelities

message: :An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Isn't this quote attributed to Mahatma Gandhi? - Mike Rosoft 13:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote

message: IF IT WASNT FOR DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. RAP AND HIP HOP WOULDNT EVEN EXIST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.195.132.253 (talk • contribs) 02:06, May 20, 2006
*(a) Don't shout, please. (b) Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. If you can find some verifiable reliable sources asserting what you claim about rap and hip hop, then it can be put into the article. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 02:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WE NEED TO SAY MORE ABOUT HOW GREAT HE IS 

message: Why is communism in one tune with marital infidelity and plagiarism? --Chodorkovskiy (talk) 12:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Communism is better than marital infidelity 

message: "Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both." 
Quote is from wikiquote 
This would reveal he supported socialism. What is so different about this, almost half of our coutnry now seems to elect leaders that agree to this statement to some extent.Tjb891 02:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Answering the Communist Questions