Talk:Silent Hill/Archive 1

message: In the comics section, for Among the Damned, the following is stated: including his childhood friend Aaron and being loved by his friend, Dahlia.  I have no idea what this means.  It's not only grammatically incorrect, it's confusing - WHO is being loved by his friend, Dahlia? Why is the mention of Dahlia pertinent?  As someone who has never read the comics, I can't correct it - I don't know what the author was trying to say.  Can someone who does know what the book's about fix that so it's more understandable?
     More context would be helpful ! --Rebootedrock 00:58, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question about Among the Damned

message: This page needs some revision. It would be best to make each one its own seperate page, with links between them. Also, their exist other things entitled "Silent Hill." There is a song by that name, and I would imagine there is also possibly an actual place
:I think it's only a good idea to split this page into several articles if there's anyone willing find and add such content. I do like Silent Hill, but I know I don't know that much about it to make this article much better. Splitting this into other articles would be a bad idea if there isn't enough new content to add. About a song with that name, I'm not sure. And about an actual place, I've never heard of that. The town in the game is supposed to be located in the US, but it's fictional. That's a fact. There might exist some place called "Silent Hill" somewhere, but it's probably just unknown to most people. A Google search won't help. Too many results regarding the games themselves to get anything else. – Kaonashi 18:29, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Seperate pages

message: Mary complains about how the hospital is keeping her alive forcibly, and how every day is a misery.  How is that wanting to be alive?
What I gathered from the game was that it was her medication that caused her condition and attitude, and james simply couldn't take the emotional and psycological pain from seeing his wife in such torment.. Somewhere in there I remember him giving her flowers or something and she basically cursed him out of the room, or maybe that was when he finally couldn't take it anymore.
In conclusion, she may have wanted to live, but the medication itself could have altered her thoughts.--Rebootedrock 01:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mary

message: Someone please edit my character section of Silent Hill 2. I can put in content but I'm not very good at format.
- Endlessmug
Hi Endlessmug,
I've rolled your changes back because I don't think they are necessary for the page, nor do I think that they meet the content guidelines.  Perhaps this information would be more relevent to a Silent Hill 2-specific page?  What does everybody else think? --waka 05:01, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Character section formatting

message: I've watched a couple of Japanese horror movies recenetly (Dark Water, The Ring, The Grudge etc.) and I'm wondering if these, or the books they are taken from, has had any impact on the SH series. The author Kôji Suzuki, apparently the 'Stephen King of Japan', has written some horror, I'm sure Team Silent used some stuff from him. I was espically pondering on Dark Water and the water that suddenly drips from the hotel's walls and ceiling at the end of Silent Hill 2. Anyone who can verify any connections?
I spoke briefly with Akria Yamaoka about this exact topic at the Game Developer's Conference this year.  He gave a talk about the atmosphere in Silent Hill (the slides are here (Powerpoint Format)), and one of his points was that Silent Hill was explicitly created to mimic what he called American Modern Horror.  He sighted Stephen King, H.P. Lovecraft, and David Lynch as examples of inspiring American horror authors.  He mentioned, however, that since he and his team are Japanese, the Japanese approach to horror probably made it into the games unconsciously.  He went on to speak about some of the differences in approach between American and Japanese-style horror.  When I spoke with him after his talk, I asked him how he felt about modern Japanese popular horror, such as The Ring and The Grudge.  His response was that he felt that The Ring was quite Japanese, as the true horror of the situation isn't ever really revealed and all of the violence and even the antagonist are largely absent from the screen.  The Grudge, on the other hand, he found to be more American, as it was much freer with its clear depiction of the antagonists (the cat-boy, etc).  So my guess is that the movies you mention are similar to Silent Hill because they are both influenced by traditional Japanese culture, but I do not think there is a direct connection between the movies and the games. Also, Silent Hill 1 predates original Ring movie (both came out in 1998, so Silent Hill was probably in production for at least a year before that).  Finally, I've heard (from someone--now I can't remember where) that the "Stephen King of Japan" monkier for Suzuki is fairly inaccurate.  That's second-hand knowledge on my part, though. --waka 04:55, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Inspiration for Silent Hill

message: Has anyone noticed the stunningly big similarities concerning Silent Hill and the early nineties role playing game Kult? Starting from theme (e.g. the idea of personal purgatories, of shattering layers of realities ["reality is a lie", "death is only the beginning", Kult subtitles]) and going further to the gloomy "feel", symbolism and even imagery and aesthetics, at least the Silent Hill movie adaption is pretty close to what Kult RPG felt like for many players. -- marilyn.hanson 08:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Kult]] RPG

message: Throughout this article's history some people have deemed it necessary to delete the Japanese spelling of Silent Hill. But as it is after all a Japanese game I think in all fairness it should be present on the site.
:Agreed -- though it always looks like (???????) to me. Perhaps if it were mentioned, rather than just inserted as a parenthetical? Scix 23:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Keep it the way it is now, as it's consistent with the Wikipedia standards. --waka 01:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese spelling

message: I've just created the articles for the four games in the series. Please feel free to edit them! Just to let you know enjoy! Empty2005 04:22, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Created Article Pages For The Games!

message: Personally, I think the template for the Silent Hill series looks rather unprofessional-looking and lacks content. I believe the template should be handled in the exact same way as does the Resident Evil page. Articles, like those listed above, should be listed in the template but the characters should be divided between those from the film and games. Characters, monsters, etc., that have enough imformation to to hold their own deserve their own page, however, those with minor details should be listed within the general list of characters but linked individually from the template. Hopefully everyone will understand what I'm saying. --Unregistered user 11:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just took a look at the RE one. It's HUGE. I guess it has a larger fan base. Anyway, the SH one seems to be on its way to looking a lot like the RE one. You have to realize though that the SH series doesn't have enough content to match the RE template. I think if that were to happen, more useless pages like The Church would show up it fill it out. Share some of your ideas for it here, I'm interested to see what you have to offer. --Thaddius 00:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template/Article Discussion

message: Should there be a seperate section for this, seperate from the Silent Hill (video game) section? --Thaddius 12:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Silent Hill: Play Novel

message: Does anybody think that this should have its own article? (Fitzblitz 00:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silent Hill:Origins 

message: The novel House of Leaves and its use of impossible physical spaces may have been an influence on the series (especially in Silent Hill 2), with its almost interminable corridors.
Was HoL (including the on-line version) present in the same time frame as the production of SH2? If not, wouldn't that invalidate the above quote?
Orange & Viridian 00:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a verion that was published in 2000 here. Looks like a re-print too. Since SH2 was 2001... it's valid. Use your discresion. --Thaddius 11:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  House Of Leaves: Date Validity? 

message: Somebody (User:80.54.250.217) recently added a note about Francis Bacon's "Painting 1978" in relation to Silent Hill 2.  For reference, the painting is here:
http://www.francis-bacon.cx/figures/1978.html
Do we have a reference for this relationship?  Pending one I've removed the note.  --waka 22:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Francis Bacon was mentioned in The Making of Silent Hill 2, but apart from that I don't see any similarities in the painting. Fitzblitz 07:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Francis Bacon? 

message: It was suggested in the article that Monster Party(NES) is a possible influence, because of the good/evil scenery shift and mutant dogs. I think that's a bit of a stretch, given Monster Party's cartoony style -- it's hard to see how any 8-bit game could create a disturbing atmosphere like Silent Hill. So I think the reference to Monster Party should be removed from the article.
Judge for yourself:   
:I agree, it seems like a real stretch.  I'm removing the trivia entry. NighTrekr 20:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monster Party 

message: In general, the comic books by Ciencin are considered dull by fans because of poorly written stories, short length, uninteresting characters, muddled artwork, excessive and inappropriate action scenes as well as excessive use of profanity.
I removed the preceding sentence because not only did it need a citation, it's a slight example of using "weasel words".  It was more of a critique than anything else.  If an actual citation can be found for it saying much the same thing then feel free to put it back in.  Levid37 00:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed criticism of comics

message: Do we seriously need seven paragraphs of fanwankery about where exactly the fictional town of Silent Hill could be located in the real world? As an interested outsider I want to learn about the game(s), not get bogged down in pointless details like this. Spin off a location of Silent Hill article if you must, or summarize the whole thing and move the excruciating details to somewhere below. Sheesh. 82.92.119.11 19:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agree.  The page has transformed from a concise summarization of pertinent details about the game into a mammoth collection of trivia and speculation.  The argument about the nature of the seal (Metatron? Sameal?  who cares!?) is a perfect example: this information is not a very relevant aspect of the game, and the article is cluttered with that level of information.  --waka 21:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed... unless anyone has any object, I'll go remove that section now as part of cleanup.Kingpin1055 21:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Setting 

message: I've done some cleanup on the section about the second SH film, but it's really vague. I would have deleted it entirely, as it's lacking any real information, but I know people will come looking for it anyway.
Also, I tagged the statement about Neil Gaiman being involved, but I have a feeling that should just be deleted. It was a rumor to start with, and the man himself has said it's not true. -- Kesh 02:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Silent Hill 2'' film section