Talk:Thomism

message: I removed the following from the introduction to the 5 Ways discussion:
"Though termed "proofs" of God's existence, they are better understood as "reasonings." These reasonings observe certain effects, and move towards inferring the cause. Aquinas would argue that God's existence cannot be "proven" per se because thinking of an object does not prove its existence, but that God's existence can be inferred based on these effects."
This is factually incorrect.  Aquinas not only believed they were proofs, he Called them proofs, and is quoted above (in the section under Theodicy) of explaining that God's existence could be proven a-posteriori, which the 5 Ways are.
Bozimmerman 22:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first thing he argued indeed, but that is one possible way of proving God and the other possible ways he ap-proved. --84.154.43.64 (talk) 13:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Proofs of God's existence?

message: Could we have a section on the Thomist ethical beliefs, especially a summary of Aquinas' understanding of Natural Law? I would like to know all the things he had to say on the matter, and all the alterations he made to the pagan philosophy in claiming it for Christianity.Fledgeaaron (talk) 10:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Natural Law and Ethics in General 

message: The quotation from Schaff-Herzog does not represent current scholarly opinion.  The consensus today is that scholars of the past over-emphasized Thomas Aquinas the Philosopher.  This quotation represents that old perspective.  It suggests that the theology of Thomas Aquinas fundamentally depended on Aristotelian convictions derived from reason.  This is certainly not the stated intention of Aquinas, as the first question of the Summa Theologiae makes clear.  But it is not even an accurate reading of what was *really* going on.  
Here is a current assessment of the "theological turn" in attitudes towards Thomism:
http://www.amazon.com/Theology-Thomas-Aquinas-Rik-Nieuwenhove/dp/0268043639--Cyrusrex1545 (talk) 14:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schaff-Herzog 

message: The article should maybe try to explain the causes that led to thomism's decline in the 1970s, at least in the form of neothomism. One of the reasons is the Church's active dialogue with other religions, many of which had been frankly opposed to the aristotelian origins of thomism. Another reason is the general intellectual turmoil that the West experienced in the years that followed the 1968 cultural revolution. Many former thomists either adopted entirely secular philosophies such as structuralism and phenomenology or embraced new intellectual currents within the Church itself, such as anonymous Christianity, ecclesiology of communion and liberation theology. ADM (talk) 11:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Decline of thomism in the 1970s

message: The article Thought of Thomas Aquinas seems superfluous, since Thomism is by definition the philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas. I would argue for a merger. -- LightSpectra (talk) 00:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe not. At the very least the section Thomistic philosophy seems to instead deserve the title The dogmata of Pius X, not Thomism. I believe I can perceive a sound underlying philosophy under these dogmata, but the dogmata themselves seems to be more like anathematizing religious incorrectness, not philosophy in the very least. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 13:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now read the articles more in detail, and I agree. A merger is justified, but the other article contains some essayish texts that simply deserve removal. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 16:15, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Thought of St. Thomas Aquinas" 

message: The quote from G.K. Chesterton includes:
: "The modern philosopher claims, like a sort of confident man, that if we will grant him this, the rest will be easy…"
I am compelled to wonder whether "confident man" (a man who is, presumptively honestly, cofident) is a mis-transcription of "confidence man" (a man who, exploiting others' willingness to trust in him – i.e. to be confident in him – gulls them into a position he can abuse). (Eddy) 84.215.6.188 (talk) 19:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible glitch in Chesterton quote 

message: I am fascinated by the (at a first and only cursory skim through the page) apparent lack of any reference to the Arabic philosophers via whom Thomas Aquinas surely obtained much of his knowledge of Aristotelean (and Platonic) philosophy – most obviously, to use their Europeanized names, Avicenna and Averroes.
The Cambridge Companion to Arabic Philosophy (Peter Adamson and Richard C. Taylor, Ed., CUP,  – ) may be a usable source for relevant material. (Eddy) 84.215.6.188 (talk) 19:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Influences on St. Thomas Aquinas is is more appropriate for his article, rather than Thomism, I'd think; since Thomism is moreso about the beliefs themselves. -- LightSpectra (talk) 20:14, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If the influences were dealt with in a specific article (which I didn't find), it is sufficient to say here that he integrated opionions of Muslims, and to name just one specific philosopher, to wit, the Philosopher. Otherwise one might mention the Commentator, who was Muslim, or else the Master of Sentences, or even "Tully" to whom he gives great authority if it comes to putting things into comprehensive lists, as it seems. --84.154.94.126 (talk) 10:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamic influence 

message: Looks like he is deeply shameful from pilfering in the monastery pantry. Are all images this pathetic? Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 19:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pathetic img

message: Gustav Wetter, in his work Dialectic Materialism, compared Thomism with Soviet metaphysics in a manner that could similarly be stated as a similarity with Darwinian evolution, interestingly enough:
pg. 331. ..."We need only refer to the fact that Thomism, for example, employs a similar notion when it treats substantial change (transformation of essence) as in many cases the results of a more or less lengthy process of accidental change." c.f. P. Hoenen, S.J.: Cosmologia, Rome 1936, pp. 281 ff.; J. Gredt, O.S.B.: Die aristotelish-scholastische Philosophie, I, Freiburg-i-B 1935, pp. 148, 267. ... Nagelfar (talk) 10:14, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thomism's spiritual "evolutionism" 

message: From the article : ...Hence in any order in which an act is pure act, it will only exist, in that order, as a unique and unlimited act. But whenever it is finite and manifold, it has entered into a true composition with potency.....  Potency as metaphor for what what concept?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.215.189.117 (talk) 05:20, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potency as metaphor 

message: I removed the following, as 1. Peggy Frye is not notable, and 2. The link is dead. Narssarssuaq (talk) 22:12, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Gottfried Leibniz later expounds on this view[47] in his work Théodicée (1710), which argues that God has authored the best of all possible worlds, one that requires the existence of evil to be optimal.
While that is about the same subject, the "Problem of Evil", it has nothing to do with Thomism and is not a part of it. It has to do with the same subject, but the statement only serves to misrepresent Thomism, which does not argue about the requirement of the existence of evil. LaRoza (talk) 17:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed text 

message: Apart from the fact that one is Polish and the other British, is there a significant difference between Cracow Circle Thomism and Analytic Thomism?  --173.246.30.142 (talk) 04:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cracow Circle and Analytic Thomism 

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