Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game)/Archive 2

message: Just the way that everyone keeps on thinking in their heads that 'four-player' capabilities, means that there MUST be four playable characters. No, I'm not one of the idiots who think that Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are the only playable characters. Actually, I'm more curious as to WHY everyone tries to limit it straight down to four and end it there. They don't even think of the possibility that there could be MORE than just four, and many places heavily hinted and many more characters than just the current confirmed ones. I don't expect every character to be playable in story mode, and I also don't expect a ton, but I do expect at least one more story character (though I'm betting that both Tails and the fourth hedgehog are playable in the story), and I also expect to be able to unlock other characters whom aren't playable in story mode, but are playable anywhere else. It's sad to see so many people try and limit it straight at four, when it's highly probable, and mostlikely, NOT going to happen. For those who are curious about what this relates to the article, it's stuff all over talking about four playable characters, but what mainly set me off was in Tails' profile. I'm not sure if the rest is still there or not, but Tails' profile is what brought this back up for me. --Ultimate 20:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Four Playable Characters

message: From my understanding, I believe Naka stated that he's staying with Sonic Team even with Prope being founded. The IGN article mearly suggests Naka is forming the company, yet staying with Sonic Team. It could be just another branch off of Sega.--Redrapper 02:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter WHAT Yuji Naka is doing, Shun Nakamura is the one developing the game. However, just a few pointers. Yuji Naka is the leader of PROPE, but PROPE and SEGA will still keep ties with each other--for example, SEGA will help fund them. --Ultimate 14:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yuji Naka

message: Gamefaqs really isn't that great of a source...so it should be taken out until an OFFICIAL (Not a Forum) source is found.Sukecchi 20:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just what was going to post. While we have more solid proof that some of this information (Blaze the Cat being in the game, etc), what proof do we have at all that the "Nova the Hedgehog is orange and crystaline" is actually, factual evidence? Not only that, but from what I've heard, the same person who told us about "Nova" and "her" appearance also "leaked" the ending to the game - which sounds really, really, really, really hard to swallow (stuff like Knuckles dying, and Blaze the Cat attempting self-mutilation, and other even more stuff that sounds like it's out of some 13 year old's bad fanfiction). Until somebody can better prove to me that the Gamefaqs information is true, I'm going to remove it. BlazeHedgehog 12:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Knuckles dying? I thought they were talking about Amy (someone mentioned that the character was originally called 'Princess Sally'--which isn't actually true, the U.S. version of Sonic CD only mentions Sally, but people did think that they had always been refering to Amy). Okay, NOW this sounds like a pack of lies. Revealing some info is one thing, revealing the ending and crap like Knuckles dying and Blaze attempting self-mutilation? I WAS going to give this kid the benefit of a doubt on the Nova thing, but now I'm completely dumping it. Self-mutilation would probably get this game an M rating, while SEGA would only go for E-10+ max. I was simply going to post that we shouldn't list it because it was unconfirmed, but now I'm highly doubting the Nova thing altogether. --Ultimate 14:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text:  Ooh, I just noticed something else, too. He was stating that Knuckles died? That's not possible. Silver first comes to the past in THIS game, right? Well, Silver is also in Sonic Rivals, and Knuckles is in Sonic Rivals, too. Knuckles CAN'T die, or else he couldn't be in Sonic Rivals. This disproves one thing that he said, and turns him into an unreliable source due to lying. None of his info can be taken for granted. --Ultimate 14:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text:  Knuckles? Dying?
Blaze? Attempting self-mutilation?
DO NOT WANT --Alexie 20:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: My mistake, guys. Blaze didn't attempt self-mutilation - it was Elise. Personally, I did not view the gamefaqs topic itself, only the discussion surrounding it - and of those topics discussed was Knuckles being killed and Elise cutting herself. Apparently, looking at the discussion now, Elise and even Blaze die. It all sounds very ludicrious and "bad fanfiction" doesn't even begin to describe it. Knuckles exchanges "soul code" with Sonic? What the hell is that? BlazeHedgehog 22:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever it is, it's a lie. Nice piece of fiction there, but it can't fit into the Sonic series. Two things--both related to 'Knuckles dieing. 1: Knuckles can't die in this game. Plain and simple, if he dies in this game, he can't make his appearance in Sonic Rivals. Also, according to that storyline, Knuckles not only dies but it's also in the ending. If someone had saved him before he died, that'd be one thing, but he actually dies and ISN'T saved. 2: Fanbase. Knuckles is among the top five Sonic characters (and if I'm calculating this correctly, he's right below Sonic and Shadow--Sonic actually beating out Shadow), so if Knuckles died the fanbase would be hit tremendously. SEGA wouldn't just go out and kill one of their most popular characters! (Highly probably a reason why Shadow hasn't died yet.) We can safely throw this garbage in the trash and be done with it. --69.210.102.109 00:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Eggman's "running speed" isn't canon. They have to make him fast in order to catch up with everyone else, but he really isn't canonically that fast. Other than that, you're info is accurate. Usually, though, one would also add in Rouge and Cream after Shadow. This is due to the fact that they are well-known, and high-used characters, also. --Ultima 22:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Nova"

message: in the rumours it says shadow has been confirmed to be the Iblis Trigger but wer did you get this info from? cos i aint beilivin it untill i see a trust worthy website saying so
A number of sites have already been told that Sonic is the Iblis Trigger. The one who said Shadow is, is probably just pulling a prank.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.20.77 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 17 May 2006
I removed it (and the info about Silver being voices by some 'Pete Capella'). NOTHING has stated that Shadow is the Iblis Trigger. Oh, and it wasn't in the rumors section. Everything has pointed to Sonic being the Iblis Trigger, and nothing has even been STATED about Shadow in the game (except that he'll be able to use military vehicles). --Ultimate 15:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That "Pete Capella" thing reappeared. I re-deleted it. (That's not a word...) 86.143.156.110 21:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pete Capella says on his Myspace that he infact voices Silver, and IMDB confirms that he's an actor within the industry. I am re-adding it. BlazeHedgehog 22:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, right, sorry about that. 86.143.156.110 22:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Um, there's no entry on IMDB for him. At least, not any more. 195.195.83.121 10:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's this, then? BlazeHedgehog 02:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's his page, but Sonic isn't mentioned anywhere on it. (Ah right, I misunderstood you.) BrokenBeta [talk · contribs] 13:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe cite it in the article, Blaze? Emcee N 01:25, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree that a MySpace page hardly counts towards verifiability, and I've added a "citation needed" mark after Capella's bit in the hope that something can be done about it. BrokenBeta [talk · contribs] 12:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It's worth noting, however, that quite a few celebrities and the like do have MySpace accounts. It was a popular fad for a while to see famous bands have a MySpace account. It'd be kind of weird to pose as a relatively unknown actor like Pete Capella, especially like this. The info on his MySpace matches the info on his IMDB profile, which, as I said, would kind of be weird to fake. While I agree that there is a possibility it could be fake, I am leaning towards "probably true", and it's the most solid evidence we have on anybody voicing Silver. BlazeHedgehog 07:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shadow the Iblis Trigger?

message: Where did this Silver name come from? Is there an official source of it or what? Sukecchi 15:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I too would like to know where this came from. So far, his name has not been revealed and is purely speculation. Infact, until there is a source on where it came from, I will revert it... BlazeHedgehog 16:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706097p1.html Says his name is Silver...so I guess it's true. I'll add it back.Sukecchi 20:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 16:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 02:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 15:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Silver?

message: There isnt no 4th character! The game will allow us/ gamers to play with 4 controllers!
For an example:
The game Shadow the Hedgehog, it says 1-2 players. But did we play with any other players other than Shadow? NO!
That 1-2 player was for multiplayer!
You are forgetting that this game will feature online playablities, so if it's 2 player then it will be weak. Multiplayer as evolved, right now NeXt Gen gaming is allowing 32 players all at once!
This game will feature 1-4 players which means:
*We can only play as the only 3 characters in the single player: Sonic/ Blue, Shadow/Black and Siler/White
*The 1-4 will be available in the multiplayer section. But yes if there are 3 characters who will be the fourth!?
We don't know, so stop making up fake rumours! The 4 character can be Eggman, Princess Elise or one of the character you meet up during the single player.
When you are playing a multiplayer game, it is unfair for the other opponent to have greater skills than his/her victim: I mean, player 1 choosing Shadow and Player 2 choosing Super Sonic. Ofcousre Super Sonic will have better advantages!
Yes, in Shadow the Hedgehog, it says 1-2 players. In the multiplayer section, it suppose to be Shadow or Sonic. Maybe Shadow or one of Sonic' friends. But it was actually Metal Shadows!
The same will appeal for this game. The multiplayer will be SOnic, Shadow & Silver. But who can the 4th player be, the fourth player can either be: Eggman. Remember the character as to match same skills as of his opponents or has to be fair!
Is this clear enough? please state your own reason about this breif...
:>x<ino 20:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 14:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 15:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 21:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: In the English language, "he" refers to either males or females. If you don't know what gender a person is, you can use "he" to refer to both male and female. It also refers specifically for males, too, if you do it that way. Feminists are trying to change that, but it IS the truth. "She" is specifically for females. We can safely assumed that the term "amigos" simply means friends in general, and not solely males. --69.210.135.9 17:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 18:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 08:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 00:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 14:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  4 PLAYERS 

message: Although the title says "Summer 2006", I've called around EB Games and quite a few other places, and they said Sega intends on releasing Sonic 2K6 the same day as the PS3, at least in Canada (where I am). Shall i add that note to the release date information on the page?
 User:Raccoon Fox - Talk  21:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always heard it would land on the Xbox 360 first, and then just be available for the PS3 launch. BlazeHedgehog 00:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 13:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I edited to say Fall 2006, because that's what the Sega rep said on the Gametrailers.com "Gameplay Extravaganza" video. BlazeHedgehog 13:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That is absolutely impossible. The game wasn't even 40% complete at E3. Besides, June 23rd already passed. New INFO was expected (which we did get--but very minor stuff), but that's about it. --Ultimate 13:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: Can we archive the crap on this page? It's getting out of hand and it isn't helping.
Also, whoever thinks specular highlighting is a new addition to Sonic the Hedgehog, either doesn't know what that is, or hasn't been paying much attention. What did you think made the Heroes models look like plastic? 86.143.156.110 20:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've archived some of it. --Zeno McDohl 21:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 21:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Specular highlighting is merely a secondary highlight to give objects shine. You can see the effect in any Sonic game since Sonic Adventure. In fact, SA does a good job of showing it: Stand outside in Emerald Coast and turn the camera around Sonic -- you'll see that some of the highlighting "follows" him around. That's an effect called Local Viewer in DirectX terms, and it only happens when Specular Highlighting is active. 86.143.156.110 12:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: EDIT: See Specular highlight. 86.143.156.110 12:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: EDIT2: Here  is a shot of Sonic Heroes. The awful white lines atop Sonic and Knuckles' heads -- that's the specular highlighting. Sonic Adventure -- and all other games since -- have had the same thing but not quite as blatant. 86.143.156.110 13:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuff 

message: What the HELL is this all about?! Nothing in the Controversies section makes sense. The IDEA of mentioning criticisms is idiotic in of itself--criticism has nothing to do with the game itself. Then the second part about 8 Chaos Emeralds. NOTHING has even been mentioned about Chaos Emeralds, other than the fact that the princess has the green one. Shouldn't this be removed because it is useless? --Ultimate 20:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Controversies" 

message: Before you guys start asking about this, which I'm sure many of you will, I shall reveal the source of this rumor. Though I didn't list the direct link inside the rumor itself (perhaps I should've) I did state that it was in the Sonic the Hedgehog Message Boards on Gamespot/Gamefaqs. Bendilin, a very reliable source (he's got a guy in SEGA who reveals minor information to him) revealed that he's heard that the current pending rating is E-10+. In the past, Bendilin has been quite accurate, including revealing information on Silver in Sonic Rivals BEFORE it being confirmed at E3, and also confirming a team system in Sonic Advance 3. The topic can be found either at Gamespot () and at Gamefaqs (). If you don't believe it, it's fine by me. I still put it in rumors, anyway. It can't be a confirmation unless SEGA states so--I'm only explaining his reliability when it comes to things like this. --Ultimate 19:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  E-10+ Rating Rumor 

message: The guy has been established as being an actual Sega employee.  It is not the forum speculating things, it is information being delivered. mad_cat_42 20:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Four Hours? Who the hell are you to declare "four hours"? This isn't a hostage situation. Anyway, being a member of the GHZ Forums, I'd say this guy is legit. He's offered up insight into other Sega games he's tested - Super Monkey Ball Adventure, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Riders, etc, giving us information about the game that had not yet been released - such as revealing plot details about Shadow before the game hit store shelves. This information was confirmed to be true, basically validating that yes, he is a game tester for Sega UK. BlazeHedgehog 21:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Are you a troll? What did I just say? You want me to find the specific forum post? Right, then. Shadow the Hedgehog Beta Footage - a rather embarassing glitch where Shadow and Maria get stuck together in a compromising position - unfortunately, the Rapidshare link has long since died so you can't see it for yourself. This glitch is, as far as I know, unreplicatable in the retail version, which should be proof enough for you. When you consider that, it makes this post all the more hilarious. BlazeHedgehog 23:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Right, so you're a troll, then, I'll assume. You ask for proof this guy is legit - and I offer proof, so you claim I'm changing the subject. BlazeHedgehog 01:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I see no problem with the re-wording. Infact, the only problem I did have with this is the rather impatient tone 63.227.2.85 took, with the "YOU HAVE FOUR HOURS" and him accusing me of changing the subject when I was simply making a point. BlazeHedgehog 06:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: "63" (for so shall I address you, for short) I see Blaze's point as well. You're right that rumours should be correctly identified as such, (and in all fairness the piece WAS in the rumours section, it was just poorly worded) but instead of this "You have Four Hours *thunderclap*" stuff, just reword it as a rumour and add a comment to the discussion page. And also, Blaze talked about Shadow to show you a previous true piece of inside information that had come from his source. If you read some of the earlier rubbish that went on on this talk page, you'll understand why people are a little jittery about trolls right now... Emcee N 09:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this little piece of info. NOBODY expected Ulala, AiAi, and NiGHTS to be in Sonic Riders (everyone was thinking that it'd be Team Chaotix) and this guy goes out and state that they were in the game, and that neither Team Chaotix nor Shadow were in the plot. NOBODY expected that those three would be in the game, or that Shadow wouldn't make it in story mode. Despite how much I loathed him for... I don't know, revealing that three idiotic non-Sonic characters would appear instead of other Sonic characters, he IS a very reliable source. Still, though, the info should remain under 'Rumors' until confirmed by Sonic Team, even though OneClassyBloke is also a SEGA employee. It prevents flaming, then. --Ultimate 13:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not true. I suspected Aiai to be in Sonic Riders but people scoffed. So watch what you say. ;) Knuckles sonic8 16:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm actually starting to wonder if this information is true or not. From the GHZ Sega Employee, I mean. Recently it seems he's started trying to re-enforce people's phoney rumors just to mess with people's heads. He, himself, IS legit, but I'm starting to question whether or not his information is. He could just be having a laugh at our expense. BlazeHedgehog 22:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, what?! I never thought of that before. I guess we'd best wait and see if we WAS just pulling his lid with this info. Blaze is rather a surprise of herself, though the other characters aren't surprising at all. He could've made it up, then mentioned a few characters whom would more and likely appear anyway. People would then believe him because of his accuracy before. Let's just wait and find out, but you do make a good point. --Ultimate 13:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sega Employee 

message: Sonic Stadium now has an anonymous source dishing out information on this game.  All of it runs true to what the GHZ guy said about the game.
http://news.sonicstadium.org/story/191/
The following is copy/pasted from the site:
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Sonic News was recently contacted by an anonymous source who claimed to have knowledge on previously unheard of aspects of the next-gen Sonic game, for XBOX 360 and Playstation 3, titled: Sonic the Hedgehog
WARNING PLEASE READ:
Sonic News’ source did not reveal their identity to us; they only decided to answer our questions on the agreement that they remain an anonymous source. While SN can not control what members do and say on other online communities we would ask that when discussing this article you avoid guessing or implicating anybody as its source. Members of the TSS network will be punished accordingly for doing so.
Characters
Playable
Since Sonic 2006s’ E3 appearance and Silvers revelation as a time traveller many people have likened the game and its three main Hedgehog characters to Dragon Ball Z. From our sources reaction to the script he agrees with these strong parallels, likening Sonic to Goku, Shadow to Vegeta, and Silver to Trunks.
-Sonic the Hedgehog
-Shadow the Hedgehog
-Silver the Hedgehog
Non playable
-Knuckles
-Amy Rose
-Rouge
-Princess Elise: Princess Elisa is connected to the Flames of Disaster. Her dark secrete is that she was used to stop them 10 years ago.
-Tails: Tails may be a playable character, the document from which the information in question originates makes mention of a ‘Tails Act’.
-Blaze: Blaze is the surprise character of the story with connections to Silver. Our source suggested that these connections may imply the alternative reality from which she and Eggman Nega originated from is infact a future reality. The Sol Emeralds also feature in the plot; however connections between Soleanna and the Emeralds are yet to be made.
-Dr Ivo Robotnik aka Eggman: Eggman is the main villain of the game, and yet his butt gets whipped twice by an evil super deity, just like previous Sonic outings (Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog). It’s also been suggested that in this outing Eggman has a twin.
Sonic News speculation: The notion of a twin doesn’t surprise SN. On the official Sonic 2006 page of the SEGA of America site there’s a flash image which, when a cursor is place on top, alternates Eggmans facial expressions from normal to psychotic. This could imply possession (the personification of his dark side) or possibly an alternate Eggman (twin, Eggman Nega).
Unspecified
-Forth Hedgehog (anonymous): the forth anonymous Hedgehog is crystalline in appearance. Our source describes it as a fusion between crystal/stone/emerald. This character may also be of blood relation to Shadow, and serves as mentor to Silver in the future.
Sonic News speculation: Once again DBZ parallels with the plot can be seen. It was Gohan who served as mentor to Trunks in the show. If these parallels remain consistent then it seems more likely that the forth hedgehog is a blood relative of Sonic, maybe even his son, while Silver is the relation of Shadow.
Plot
-The Iblis trigger is an event involving the deaths of several characters, effectively leading to the Flames of Disaster (the name is what it is) destroying the world.
Voice actors
The voice actors featured in the game are those used in the Sonic-X television show. The exception to this rule is Silvers, whose voice is still to be cast (the voice featured in the E3 trailer was only temporary).
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Now my question is, what, if anything, should we put in?  The info from GHZ was different as the guy is proven to be a Sega employee but I have no clue how reliable Sonic Stadium is. mad_cat_42 22:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bucketload of info, what do we do with it? 

message: Do you think that you can raise chao in the game? From a PERSON
:There hasn't been any mention of it at all, so it's unlikely. BlazeHedgehog 07:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CHAO 2006 

message: Looking through rumours and discussions has lead me to belive that since this game bears a more than obvious likeness to Dragon Ball Z, it is thought that Sonic would have a son or blood relative. I doubt that this is the case. For you who have played Sonic Battle and Sonic Advance 3 you could assume that the 4th Character and Sonic's supposed "son" could be Gemerl (the Ultimate Phi, built from Emerl parts after Battle). As in Battle Sonic and Amy both had a "son" ( as Amy called him), and since he was rebuilt after Sonic Advance 3, there is a possibility that he could be in this game. This would also contradict what many people have spread about Cream not being in this game, as emerl was last seen with Cream and Vanilla!
 Your thoughts please?
:Emerl isn't Sonic's son. He's a robot. Sonic doesn't have a son, and it's highly doubtful that he'll ever get one. --Ultimate 14:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic's son? 

message: On the sonic issue, as a third point of view I would suggest that both parties look at WP:V. If the infomation in dispute cannot be verified from a trusted source. (not someone's blog or personal website) but rather from news sources, authorities on the subject(GamePro, Game Informer, ect). Also the company website is an EXCELLENT source. Dictionarys and reference books don't appear to be valid here. I will be glad to do some reasearch if it will help you resolve your issue. Just someone needs to drop me a note on my talk page. Cheers! Eagle talk 05:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair (although I only quoted the dictionary to make a point about the meaning of a certain word to an argumentative former user). However, in light of Blaze's justification of the GHZ Forum informant, I'm prepared to let that stand in the Rumours/Unknown section. Rubbish that springs from people's wishful thinking, on the other hand, is just not on. Emcee N 05:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]]

message: Where did this info come from? We haven't heard anything about Silver being unplayable until later. --Alexie 19:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, we have. The GameTrailers E3 movie said that Silver won't be unlockable until about halfway through the game. --Ultimate 14:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the info. --Alexie 00:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "However, he is not playable until half-through the game..."

message: I don't know why but it was placed on the page that the ESRB was rumored to be Teen. I don't know who put that there but anyway it's about as confirmed as is the E10+ rating. I admit E10+ is definitely a possibility but Teen... And besides, there's no confirmed evidence of this so I guess the notion can be rejected. Anyway, I removed it, I'm just letting you all know, and, in effect, the person who wrote that in the first place. Knuckles sonic8 21:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know who posted that, but I DO know that I posted up a rumor about it being 'E-10+' a while ago. But... T? Spam. Definitely spam. --Ultimate 13:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Teen-aged

message: I noticed that the 5th and 10th references on this page (Both to Sonic Stadium) have disappeared from their news archives. Could this possibly mean that they retract that information reguarding this game or am I just confused and missing something? 68.96.78.82 22:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, my guess is that Sonic Team found out about it, and had TSS remove them. But... they were removed? I didn't notice that. --Ultimate 15:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I emailed Kieran B about the article a few weeks ago. Apparently, he didn't like the effect the news has had on the community. It had caused more anger among fans than he had felt it was worth, so he decided to have it removed. He also heard that his source while reliable, tended to play pratical jokes. So another reason was to protect the TSS' credablity. In my opinion, it was a wise choice. Some of that information was false, and, with all respect to Kieran, he did rush that article a bit and made some mistakes. The speculation sections were not a good idea either. --One Classy Bloke 09:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sonic Stadium References

message: In an interview, Nakamaru said the fourth mysterious hedgehog is indeed Nova and she is female. Also He said one of the old character returning is either Fang, Mighty, or Bean or Bark. He also said something about Metal Sonic....
::Please provide some kind of proof. -Sukecchi 21:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately that's not enough proof. BlazeHedgehog 20:06, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but I checked out IGN, and I didn't see ANY interviews, let alone one with Nakamura confirming this info. Like they'd release info about scrapped characters returning when they haven't even confirmed if Tails, Knuckles, Amy, or Rouge would appear or not yet. Sorry, but unless if you can give us a direct source, we're not buying it until some info is revealed... well, at least I'M not. --Ultima 18:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't help but think of that rumor of the "purple cowboy" rumor a while back for Sonic Riders. Reading this made me smile a bit. :) Knuckles sonic8 17:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nova 

message: I'm deleting that section.  The "source" it links to says the story doesn't exist, and was probably speculative anyway. Not to mention it's all original research Xubelox 01:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You assume too much. I beleive somewhere on this mess of a talk page, somebody was going to contact DreadKnux (who runs the Sonic Stadium) as to why the news story vanished; but it wasn't speculative at the time. Besides, doesn't the header of the page itself say the information will likely change before release? If this was a game that was already released and there was weird speculative information on the page, I'd say get rid of it... but this is information from a source that quite a few people here seem to trust. If you remove it, it'll likely just get put back by somebody else. Whatever happened to "The General Consensus"? Isn't that what Wikipedia is all about? BlazeHedgehog 12:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it's a good idea to keep it removed (unless you haven't removed it yet), but the source IS a well-trusted one. The reason I say to keep it off is two-fold. One, more and likely someone's going to re-post it anyway. And two, that info hasn't actually been confirmed yet. Due to the source, though, it's mostlikely true, but you never know. However, as BlazeHedgehog said, the game ISN'T out yet. Nothing can be known until either it gets confirmed by SEGA, or until the game is released. For all we know, SEGA could secretly be planning on to bring back Maria as a hedgehog, or to make Blaze really Elise from the future. --Ultima 21:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the header say speculative info is appropriate?  No, it just says it's likely.  It's still discouraged. Unless this DreadKnux has inside info on Sega, it is not 100% verifiable and doesn't belong here.  Wikipedia is not about original research, which is what that section was. Xubelox 01:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rumoured or expected characters

message: Its completely true that "Sonic" is the "Iblis Trigger". I know cause the giant "Fire Creature" at the beginning of the game preview is called "Iblis". When "Eggman" captured the princess, "Sonic" went after him. But somewhere along the way, or in the game,"Sonic" causes some sort of "Chain Reaction" or something dealling with events or something he does I don't remember. But it is said to end up setting "Iblis" free. "Silver" comes in the story cause he has come from the future to stop "Sonic" from causing the "Chain Reaction" and freeing "Iblis" from "slumber". Thats why "Sonic" has to fight "Silver" so much, "Silver" isn't bad, he's just trying to save the future....... He must not have much fate in how "SuperSonic" could probably easiely beat "Iblis". Tho I did hear some rumor about "Silver" being "Shadow's" "grandson" or something, but I myself don't quite believe it. Well, thats all I know for now, If I get any more info I'll let u all know.
 3th, June 2006
:You offer zero proof of this claim besides abusing formatting tags. For all we know, you could be any random person making up any random claims. The information contained within this article is based on far more solid evidence than you have provided us with. BlazeHedgehog 03:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Main Story The Truth From The Horses Mouth

message: I heard a while back that the 4th hedgehog, or "Nova", was a character that we would all recognize. But I don't remember where I heard it, if it's true, and if it is then how come I don't remember that name in the Sonic series. And about Nazo, when I firt saw him it said something like If you saw the ending of Sonic The Hedgehog The Movie then you'll be surprised or something like that. I was thinking of Metal Sonic, or Metal as they call him, and how in Sonic Heroes he had a slight glow to him everytime he changed, but the I saw the picture of Nazo a bit closer and he didn't look anything like Metal or a robot at all. So what's the deal here?
Axidous 10, July 2006
:Well, what exactly are you talking about? There currently is no information about the "fourth hedgehog", and anything you hear is likely false. Whenever you are told anything, especially in the Sonic community, always demand proof - and if you don't get proof, do not believe them. BlazeHedgehog 01:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, not the Nova thing again. "Nova" was invented by some guy on Gamespot/Gamefaqs. He said that she was the fourth hedgehog to appear in the game. Well, at least we think the name was invented by him. It's pretty logical, though there's always the chance that he WAS correct. That's where 'Nova' came from. --Ultima 22:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mysterious 

message: Is this even necersary?With all hope, Crush 40 (hopefully) will be doing most of the music.(damn I love those guys' music)
I don't get it. "Replacing all the VAs for 4kids VAs" FOR WHAT?!!! To make them the same as the cartoon. The cartoon only showed stuff from Sonic Adventure and Sonic Advnture 2, and kinda from Sonic Battle. But the show's already over unless they make another season! Unless more of Sonic X actually shows suff from continuing games there's no point to it. Why was the music replaced? I know it wasn't replace by 4kids music (that'd be stupid like hell) but what is so special about the new music that Crush40 can't play it?
Axidous 13, July 2006
They didn't replace the music, they only replaced the va's. Also, there WILL be a fourth season of Sonic X. That's been confirmed. There is still being music done by Crush 40 (or so it seems--I'm positive that the main theme is actually Crush 40's doing), but they took a break in Sonic Riders and Sonic Rush. Also, the reason to use bands other than Crush 40 is that not everbody likes them. Hell, not everybody KNOWS them, let alone like them. Not even every Sonic fan likes their music. A lot of fans HATE Crush 40. Using more well-known bands (or at least other bands in general) can get others attracted to Sonic music. They definitely aren't abandoning Crush 40, though. I can guarantee you that. In fact, as I've stated, I think that the new main theme is done by Crush 40. --Ultima 02:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Section 

message: I'm from a website that has been following this game, but seems to have been taking into account the "Nova" information and rumours that guy spread. I've since heard that they're no longer valid. Since I'm hella confused, could you tell me:
*(a) All the claims that person made
*(b) Why they were invalidated.
I understand they are part of Sega/Sonic Team but I don't know any more than that and frankly rumours are firing over my head, kinda like jokes but less entertaining. :-P Anyhow, thanks for any information. 86.136.134.76 17:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Nova' has NOT been proven wrong. We are assuming it is, though, due to the fact that the same guy also posted false info about the *ahem* 'ending.' For one, he stated that Knuckles DIED (which can't happen in the ending, or else it'd leave huge plotholes for Sonic Rivals) and for two, it's just something that Sonic Team wouldn't do. That's why we assume it's incorrect. Really, though, the only thing proven wrong as of yet is the ending he provided, but it's highly likely that 'Nova' is also incorrect because of that. His other statements (not the one about Nova; that can't be proven wrong yet) makes him an unreliable source. Admittedly, though, there are a few things which CAN throw the theory about Nova off. If the info provided by SomeClassyBloke is correct, then the fourth hedgehog's name starts with 'M,' is difficult to spell, and the fourth hedgehog is also supposed to be crytalline colored, while Nova is said to be orange. It doesn't prove it wrong, though. --Ultima 22:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would just like to point out, it is much safer to assume that the "Nova" information and anything related to it is wrong. While we cannot prove it is false, it is much safer note that we cannot prove it is true, either, which to many, including myself, accounts for far more. The post regarding a lot of the information that used to be in this article was removed from the Sonic Stadium, which is why it was removed from Wikipedia. I, personally, never really trusted the Sonic Stadium information anyway. I do, however, mostly trust OneClassyBloke, as he has proven to me that he is legitimate. But that is neither here, nor there, nor can he really be cited as a concrete source effectively in the article itself. OneClassyBloke has never claimed the name of the so-called "fourth hedgehog", and the one time he did, he admitted he was simply joking around just to see what would happen. BlazeHedgehog 22:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Er, bring me up to date 

message: And why haven't they made a game with Sonia and Manic yet. They have a game for all the other cartoons. Which reminds me in the games they're part of the same story, drawn the same on the cover, a part of different Sonic cartoons, and the game is the official story, so that means all the cartoons are part of the same story (just with a few changes over real life time like Mario). It makes since. The only real difference is the different voice actors, different animators, and the different writters, but a lot of episodes are drawn an animated by different people sometimes even in the same show. There're sometimes more than one person taking turns doing a characters voice. I think they did that a lot on Sailor Moon. Sonic Spinball was Sonic SatAM, Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine was Adventures Of Sonic The Hedghog(cartoon based off Sonic 1, 2, 3, Knuckles, follows same saga), Sonic Undergroug showed another version of Sonic meeting Knuckles so I guess that fits Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles, Sonic X is basd on the newer design of Sonic along with showing stuff from the newer games (and some from the older games as well. Example: Dark Super Sonic, Flickies, Team Chaotix: new and old, Sonic can't swim, never heard in games but in Sonic Movie and Sonic Underground: also shows Knuckles' spinning fist attack that's never seen until Sonic Heroes with Sonic and Tails holding on to his hands. Omega's hands were on the outside.) Ooops. Damn, talk about a mouth full of crap. That's a lot. My bad ya'll. ^_^;
Axidous 19, July 2006
:Not many people like Sonic Underground, and, outside of Sonic X, all of the Sonic cartoons are really, really old. I mean, I watched most of the Sonic cartoons when I was a kid - and now I'm 23 years old! Sega doesn't want to market a Sonic game to me anymore, because they think I'm too old for Sonic. The majority of their demographic is the 10-14 bracket. Those kids don't know what Sonic Underground, AoStH, or any of that is. Not only that, but those old cartoons severely contradict 99.9% of everything that's taken place in the games, especially since 1999, when plot became a stronger part of the Sonic narrative. BlazeHedgehog 16:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's another thing to add onto Blaze's comment. Unlike Blaze, I'm not 23 years old. I'm actually only 16. I never was able to watch the cartoons when I was young much, and personally, I don't even care for them. However, I can tell you this. If Sonic Team wanted to throw comic/cartoon characters in the game, then they'd have to re-develop every last one of them, explain the plots for each one they add, etc. They can't simply add in a character from a different series without explaining who they are! That would just take so much time, and most of the plotline would be screwed up because of it, and it wouldn't be possible. They also may have to simply redevelop the character to fit in the games. In that case, fans of the original character would be mad that they got changed. It's much easier to simply make a new character instead of bringing one back. Even in the games, it's still much easier to make a new character instead of bringing ONE of the old characters back. They had to redevelop Chaotix, and they'd have to do it for Fang, Ray, Mighty, etc., in order to bring them back. And it's EASIER to do Sonic Team characters than characters from other continuities. Bah, big block of text there... *sigh* --Ultima 01:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Boy do you have lots of learning to do. Let's start with classic characters first, shall we? The reason it's difficult to bring them back is because they'd have to re-design them. Why? Because they had little-to-no backstory to begin with, with little-to-no known personality, as well. They'd have to re-design them to bring them back mainly for this reason, not because of differences between the classics and recent games. They did it with Chaotix, and they'd also have to do it with others. Then go a step further. Try bringing in some characters from other continuities. Oh boy, now we REALLY have a problem. Despite what you have seen, the other continuities have HUGE differences between the games. The main exception to this is Sonic X, but that also contradicts the main series. Archie has a planet called Mobius, formerly called 'Earth,' but then the anthros became the dominant species. The problem with this is that the games simply have 'Earth,' with anthros featured but humans still being the dominant species. Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog isn't too bad. SatAM is just as bad as Archie, and so is Fleetway. Fleetway's Amy, for one, is totally screwed up. Mighty was never strong in the other continuities, and only appeared in two games, anyway. As for Sally and the Freedom Fighters, no mention of them has ever appeared in the games (with the exceptions of perhaps Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, and Sonic Spinball--both of which were licensed but not supported by SEGA of Japan, making them un-canonical). If they suddenly appeared out of nowhere, it'd screw everything up. Then Sonic Underground has Sonic with a brother and a sister. No mention of Sonic having relatives have even been mentioned. If Sonia and Manic suddenly appeared, what would become of the plots made thus far?! Sonic X is bad, though not as bad. However, Shadow the Hedgehog totally screws up the whole idea of Sonic X being able to connect with the games. Not to mention their version of Sonic Battle is completely different. The whole world merging thing was also used in Sonic Rush, so that too screws it up. There has never been a mention about Sonic and friends being from another world in the games--Sonic X coming out as canon would wipe any notion of that out. Also, neither Sonic Heroes nor Shadow the Hedgehog occured in Sonic X--Season 3 replaces them. So you see, anything and everything is screwed up by using even ONE other continuity. Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog was too basic to even count, but it too would ruin the plot of the games. --Ultima 04:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Ugh, I don't want to get into this argument AGAIN. I already tried this with a guy from Concept: Mobius. No matter how many times I explain to him continuous proof that Sonic X is NOT canon, he makes up some lame excuses. Sonic X isn't canon. Period. I have proof that clearly points against it. In Shadow the Hedgehog, you obviously know how this MUST take place on Earth. In Shadow the Hedgehog, the Black Comet comes around every fifty years. Yes, we know this. Shadow was sealed away fifty years ago. Shadow was not only created, but also put in suspended animation... exactly fifty years ago. If Sonic X was canon, though, by the time Sonic and crew got back to Earth it would be six years after the Black Arms attacked. I highly doubt it was late--the little newspaper in Shadow the Hedgehog clearly states that this was the fifty year return of the Black Comet. Instant plothole right there, totally wiping out any notion. Then you try to tell me that the technology in both Future City and in Grand Metropolis (which I still think is the same exact location) is too advanced for Earth's technology. Ah, no. Shadow the Hedgehog had advanced technology, with modern-looking cities. Sonic Riders takes place on Earth--the planet is called this multiple times in the game. GUN, Ark, and Eggman are also signs of advanced technology on Sonic's world. Future City is simply a further advanced city than that of Central City. It's like comparing Tokyo to Washington D.C. Sonic Rush features GUN robots, instantly forcing that to take place on Earth, rendering any arguments from there useless. Sonia and Manic couldn't fit in the games. This is due to the fact that no reference to them has ever been made before, nor anything of Sonic having relatives at all. Suddenly making relatives appear out of nowhere with no explanation screws it up. You already stated that the comics can't be related to the games, I have no need to reference that. As for classic characters, I never said they couldn't return, I said that it's easier to design a new character instead of bringing back an old one. Excellant reasons include them having to be re-designed, and also because of fan reactions. And, of course, you're not going to read my statements, and instead throw out your own little ideas and try to get me to listen to them. A likely end is that an admin or mod will prevent us from updating. I sure are optimistic, aren't I? Besides, this is way off-topic already, isn't it? --Ultima 01:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, this post was mine. I didn't realize that I wasn't logged in when I posted it, and when I realized it, I thought someone would think I stole someone else's statement if I went back and fixed the signature. That's why whenever I screw up like that, I simply don't mess with it. Ugh, I gotta' remember to check and see if I'm logged in... --Ultima 17:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Game/Cartoon story connection