Talk:Stefan Banach

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Please start new discussions below this line.
Please do not retrieve discussions en masse from the archive; we won't know what issue you're trying to revive. If you want to continue a topic, just copy the relevant section from the archive to here, and add your new comments, preferably at the bottom where we can see them.--Kotniski (talk) 08:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Archives

message: The name of the article is Kraków. If you don'y like the name, change it, but not discuss the subject here.Xx236 (talk) 14:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kraków]] 

message: LOL. 
There is an on-going systematic effort by User:Nihil_novi and few other extreme Polish nationalist characters to archive the content of the discussion page Talk:Stefan_Banach.
The discussion on this page contains many arguments and references on Ukrainian roots of Stefan Banach and on his contributions to Ukrainian mathematics.
Polish chauvinists attempted to initiate the discussion of the censorship purge of the article on Banach. To create a semblance of a "vote" supporting their censorship, User:Nihil_novi attempt to hide into the archive the discussions of the Banach Ukrainian roots and his contributions to Ukrainian mathematics.
The section Stefan Banach#Contributions to Ukrainian mathematics contains important and non-redundant facts on Banach's contributions to Ukrainian science and Ukrainian mathematics in particular. There are substantial plans to continue the work on expanding this particular section, as well as other sections of Stefan_Banach.
The on-going attempts of Polish extreme nationalist characters to impede the establishment of NPOV on Banach must be stopped!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.14.5 (talk) 00:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was not I who originally archived the previous discussions.  But I do agree with that decision to archive.  I do not agree to 98.210.14.5 having moved my last entries without having consulted me.  Nihil novi (talk) 05:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Do you want to start another (2nd) section titled "Contributions to Ukrainian mathematics" and move your comments there? In my opinion, this would not be a really smart thing to do. But it is still better than the attempts on archiving censorship by User:Nihil_novi and User:Kotniski.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.14.5 (talk) 06:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Stefan Banach was a Polish mathematician. He was born in Kraków. When Banach was born, I think Krakow was a part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Now it is in Poland. I am interested in the history of mathematics and as far as I know, Banach is regarded as a Polish mathematician. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 06:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

text:  Masterpiece2000, thank you for your input, but your POV has already been stated numerous times by certain other editors. There are strong and well-argumented POVs that are in conflict with your POV. See the discussion above. We should try to separate the chauvinistic Polish propaganda from the facts and to arrive to NPOV. Censorship by User:Nihil_novi, User:Kotniski and the likes does not help us, Wikipedians, in that. Thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.14.5 (talk) 06:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 98.210.14.5, I am not from Poland and I am not trying to push my POV. Stefan Banach is regarded as a Polish mathematician. And, that's not my POV. You can read about him. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 08:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Masterpiece2000 : please read this discussion and the references, cited in it. They contain a wealth of information on Banach's Ukrainian roots, as well as on criminal oppressive Pilsudski dictatorship and Polish-Nazi anti-Semitic regime during WWII.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.14.5 (talk) 17:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This discussion page is repeatedly archived to hide the arguments opposing the chauvinistic Polish views 

message: Banach was born and spent his childhood in the area populated by Rusyns and Ukrainians. In fact, his last name Banach (and the last name of his mother) is a very common Jewish name among both Rusyns and Ukrainians who lived in this area for millennia.
Banach survived the Nazi occupation of Poland during the Second World war, as well as the cruel interwar regime of the dictator-ruled Poland. Under Pilsudski dictatorship, civilian freedoms were curtailed and minorities of Poland (Ukrainians, Rusyns, Germans and Jews) were oppressed and discriminated. Many colleagues of Banach, being Jewish, suffered from anti-Semitic discrimination and were denied any chance of gainful employment in Poland ruled by the dictator Pilsudski and his cronies. Other members of minority groups, like Banach, were forced to downplay their ethnic origins and "look Polish".
The modern day resurgence of nationalism and anti-Semitism in Poland led to a controversy surrounding the coverage of the ethnic origins of Banach and other Rusyn and Ukrainian mathematicians. Decades ago, even Encyclopedia Britannica use to describe Banach as a "Soviet mathematician". Modern-day Polish chauvinists continue the Soviet and Nazi traditions of shameless lies, trying to claim Banach as a "Polish mathematician".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.14.5 (talk) 09:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Basienka: It is not offensive to raise an important issue of responsibility of criminal Polish regimes (Pilsudski dictatorship as well as Polish-Nazi and Polish-Soviet collaborations) for what they have done to Jews, Ukrainians and many others. Polish Anti-Semitism will not go unpunished. Same way as Poland will pay back the compensation for the suffering of Jews and the confiscated Jewish property during the criminal Pilsuldski, Polish-Nazi and Polish-Soviet regimes, Poles will pay the Ukrainians dearly for anti-Western anti-Ukrainian atrocities they committed in the past. There is no other way for you Poles, but accepting the reality. Polish propaganda efforts on claiming "Polish roots" of Banach and others are ridiculous.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.190.247 (talk) 23:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sick and tired of such an anti-Polish propaganda. You call Banach son words "ridiculous"?! So what is not ridiculous? Your unsourced opinion? Give me one example of Polish nazi collaborators! While we cannot find any, we know numbers of Ukrainian Nazi collaborators and their crimes on Poles (Wolyn massacre and others). If anyone is about to pay, Ukrainians are the first!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.19.129.114 (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Category:Polish Nazi collaborators. --Tavrian 21:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banach origins controversy 

message: I removed the statement "He would pay for his son's education and be the only relative whom Banach would ever know personally." since his biography says that he knew several relatives. selfwormTalk) 23:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Known relatives 

message: Two issues are of primary concern:
* insufficient citations, including a poor ref/note (currently first footnote)
* poor structure, with the work section inserted between two biographical sections, and creating confusion when compared to the works section. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 19:35, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's good that you explain your reasons for the reclassification, and I agree with your criticism. But since when has B-class become something subject to a formal review process? Or am I misinterpreting your section heading, and this is just an informal individual review? —David Eppstein (talk) 20:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's for WikiProject Poland and it is more or less informal. We've been going through a bunch of articles and re-assessing/improving them.VolunteerMarek 20:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, ok, that sounds like a good thing to be doing. I was worried about WP:CREEP but it doesn't sound like that's much of a problem here. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the more active WikiProjects do B-class reviews, the most prominent I know of is Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Requests. At WP:POLAND we try to review all articles, too. The way I do it is I check if all content is referenced, and the article is broadly comprehensive and neutral, in line with B-class as outlined at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

text: One of the problems in reviewing the work of Banach is the term "linear operations" frequently used. Banach spaces are often function spaces and infinite-dimensional. Banach developed an understanding of continuous linear operators and bounded operators on such function spaces. Currently linear operator redirects to linear transformation, which is correct but insufficient.Rgdboer (talk) 21:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class review failed

message: (following the note of v.M. at David Eppsitein's page). A few for now, I hope
to add more tomorrow.
Style:
# 1st sentence in the lead: try to rephrase using the word mathematician only once
# 2nd sentence: replace one of the occurrences of founder with a different word. I would say "the founder of modern functional analysis" is a bit too strong.
# in Contributions: decpitalise "Functional Analysis"
Content:
1 B-spaces and Banach spaces: perhaps the first two paragraphs in the second chapter here could be merged (I guess other sources, perhaps also in English, can be found to confirm this information)
2V The sentence "Because the theorem did not require linearity of the space, but applied only to Cauchy spaces (complete metric spaces) it led to the Hahn–Banach theorem, which is one of the fundamental theorems of Functional Analysis." does not make much sense to me: a) Hahn-Banach is about linear spaces, b) I am not sure there is any connection at all between the Banach fixed point theorem and the Hahn-Banach theorem, c) "applied only to Cauchy spaces" - perhaps, "applied to any Cauchy spaces"?
:::v.M. - I see you have added a reference to Jahnke here. I do not have access to this book; as a courtesy, could you please cite this sentence as it appears there? Perhaps I miss something, but I do think it makes close to no mathematical sense. Sasha (talk) 21:51, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I will try to think of more suggestions for this section. Sasha (talk) 18:24, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some comments on the article 

message: It is written on the table:
"Died: August 31, 1945 (aged 53);
Lwów, Poland (territory occupied by the Soviet Union)".
Probably, this phrase expresses the fact that somebody disapproves the occupation and does not like for Lwów to be in the Soviet Union. I also would prefer for this city to be in Poland rather than in the Soviet Union. But Wikipedia should describe facts neutrally. On 31 August 1945 Lwów simply was situated in the Soviet Union, namely in the Ukrainian SSR. As for me, it is unnecessary to write about any occupation in this case; in Europe the war was finished before this date and thus there were simply territories of states which do not need to be called occupied. --D.M. from Ukraine (talk) 20:22, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed death place to "Lviv, Ukrainian SSR, Soviet Union".  Thanks.  Nihil novi (talk) 21:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should change references to the same city dating before WWII from the Polish to the Ukrainian spelling, but since it appears to be true that the permanent annexation of this region by the Ukrainian SSR happened before his death, I agree that this change is an improvement. I'm not sure when the officially accepted date of annexation is, but I assume it is no later than May 1945. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:20, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Situation of Lwów (Lviv, Lvov) 

message: Hello, I visited the page to read about Banach and I found out that he's tagged as "sovied person". I find this quite ridiculous. I am also surprised that he's listed as Jewish, as I recently read a book about Lwow mathematicians and he was supposedly of Polish Gorals ancestry.
:Agree. I found nothing anywhere supporting Jewishness, except a claim that his wife was jewish. In the absence of knowledge about how to mark templates as "dubious", I removed them both. St.nerol (talk) 11:29, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet people 

message: English does use the word "gymnasium" - a building for indoor sports activity. In some countries it means school. The revision to "school" is clearer. Just clarifying the description on that revision which was not accurate. 220.158.191.161 (talk) 10:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "gymnasium is not english"