Talk:Didsbury

message: Just a note that there appears to be a wider selection of photographs at Geograph than there was at the time of its GAC, including some historical images. I'd still like to see a static image for Didsbury in the infobox, akin to Hulme or Gorton etc. -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. I've added a picture of The Towers. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 16:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't have an issue with the Towers being added, but as the main picture? What was wrong with the Didsbury clock tower? It's a far better reflection of Didsbury village. 80.7.186.169 (talk) 23:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I am proposing the merger of East Didsbury and West Didsbury into this article. Neither seems to contain sufficient information to warrant three separate articles on what is after all rather a small area. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why there isn't just one huge City of Manchester article is precisely that; it would be huge. I am finding it difficult to believe that including whatever distinguishes East and West Didsbury into the Didsbury artricle would result in a similar problem. I may of course be quite wrong, and the two areas are so diverse and different from from each other and from Didsbury that three separate article can be justified. So I would invite anyone who holds that view to prove me wrong by developing either East or West Didsbury to the point where it is clear that there is sufficient material to justify having three articles on a rather small part of Manchester. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Where are we upto with this? The merge tags are a waste if we're not to come to a conclusion. --Jza84 |  Talk   01:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've come to a conclusion; unless there's clear evidence that the East and West articles can be expanded then they should be merged. In the unlikely event that the amount of material on either overwhelms the Didsbury article then they can be split. Right now these are just articles on local government wards so far as I'm concerned. Why can't everyone see things as clearly as I can? :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just cannot think of anything to say about East Didsbury- having lived in West Didsbury, and known Didsbury village since childhood- the only fact I know about East Didsbury was that it wasn't Didsbury or West Didsbury, or like Didsbury or West Didsbury. I looked at East Didsbury Ward Plan for inspiration- and hit a further problem East Didsbury Ward seems to occupy areas I know as Burnage, and vice versa. Perhaps, merge East Didsbury with Burnage. I can't see a solution that is better than the status quo. ClemRutter (talk) 16:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm in favour of merging them, I can't see anything in the articles or that would be used to expand them that wouldn't also be put under the main Didsbury article. If, as Rudget says, they are more than wards and have separate identities (although based on what I'm not sure) I think this could be woven into the Didsbury article (although getting verification might be troublesome). Nev1 (talk) 19:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also in favour of a merge. --Jza84 |  Talk   23:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know a lot about the area, and that's the problem. I can't materialise my thoughts into reliable sourcing, so merge may as well go ahead. Rudget  (logs) 15:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

text: OK. I would happily be proved wrong- so a way forward. Could one of the enthusiastic Promergist use a sandbox to put together a model of the new article- so we can see what they mean, and in doing so they can see the difficulties we are predicting.ClemRutter (talk) 00:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but it seems to me that there is a clear consensus for a merge, which I intend to do asap, if nobody beats me to it first (please, feel free). "East Didsbury railway station opened in 1909. The central shopping area, along Wilmslow Road - more properly referred to as Didsbury Village ...". So East Didsbury's shopping area is in Didsbury Village? Should Didsbury Village have its own article as well? No sandbox, just let's get on with the merge. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I was unsure about the merger at first, but given that Broughton, Greater Manchester manages to encompass Higher and Lower Broughton, I think this article could easily take onboard any additional material here. Infact, I think it will make for a better article. --Jza84 |  Talk   01:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: I'm happy to be corrected, but didn't the Shirley Institute close twenty years ago?  The building is still there, part of The Towers Business Park, but I think the research institute is long gone.  Mr Stephen (talk) 08:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure you're right. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 11:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't call me Shirley

message: There's plenty to choose from on Flickr here, which are all readily available for Wikipedia since they are licensed under the Creative Commons for commercial work. Rudget 14:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image 

message: The external link used in reference 22 is dead. I think this webpage would probably suffice as a source, but I think someone edits this article regularly should decide. Nev1 (talk) 18:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's the same page.  Mr Stephen (talk) 19:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good enough for me, I've updated the link. Nev1 (talk) 20:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead link

message: The external link used in reference 63 is dead. The site has been redeveloped and the page removed. --Harrybailey (talk) 21:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The link works for me, perhaps you need to clear your cache? --Malleus Fatuorum 21:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

text: The link still works for me too. Nev1 (talk) 22:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Apologies. Link was updated recently. Resolved. --Harrybailey (talk) 12:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Dead link

message: Just thought it worth a mention that there's a freely avaliable book that covers Didsbury here, at Google Books. --Jza84 |  Talk   01:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: Perhaps the geography section could explain more exactly how much of Didsbury belongs in these sections. Withington Hospital being in West Didsbury is enough to confuse some readers.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 13:04, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  East and West Didsbury 

message: "Yidsbury" sounds like a racial slur... what do others think? Brownturkey (talk) 09:55, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that if you find history offensive then you ought not to read it, and certainly not try to erase it. Malleus Fatuorum 15:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't find history offensive, and I certainly wouldn't suggest erasing it.  However I might suggest adding something along the lines of "...called, in a dated, antisemitic terms..."  I think Yidsbury would be offesnsive if it were thought to be current Brownturkey (talk) 18:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What's antisemitic about Yidsbury? Malleus Fatuorum 18:45, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

text: I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yid puts it well Brownturkey (talk) 06:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Given that most of my Jewish friends refer to this area as "Yidsbury", I think we can all calm down and accept that actual Jews aren't offended; quite the opposite. Mongoletsi (talk) 20:21, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure it's a complete myth.  It does have a valid citation on page 72 of Zenner's book, and, for what it's worth, my spouse who grew up in Manchester in the 1960's knows the term.  But it is offensive.  Brownturkey (talk) 13:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Zenner- is he reliable? We are not talking about the 60s, and it is the existence of the taunt that matters- not our ability to understand English from south of Knutsford. Wracking the brain- it sounds like a quip from the generious comedian Bernard Manning- who spouted such foul stuff on stage. But common in Manchester - no. We do need something else before it is kept. But it is offensive- on several grounds. And geographically inaccurate. --ClemRutter (talk) 17:09, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked an ex-resident of Didsbury if they had ever heard the phrase 'Yidsbury', to which they replied 'many times'.  And without prompting told me that Palatine Road was called Palestine Road.  Mr Stephen (talk) 17:20, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah false memory syndrome! I was pretty focused in the late 70s on race relations issues in Manchester-- working with potential young bigots and a resident of the West Didsbury area of Withington and this wasn't one of our issues. We in the antiracism left obviously drank in the wrong pubs. --ClemRutter (talk) 22:01, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As you get older you tend to lose three things: your hair, your teeth ... and I've forgotten what the third thing is. ;-) Malleus Fatuorum 22:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It´s something to look forward to- the Complan kid. I've even forgotten why I am bothered.This supplied by Google seems to date the term to 1996 in a comic novel, but it was then widely accepted as it was quoted in this superb thesis which gives us all the facts and maps too. I have glanced at Zenner (2000) on  Google Books]- he as been misquoted 'West Didsbury village was called Yidsbury' but it is not clear whether this was general or just within the Askanasi Jewish community of Crumpsall. That makes far more sense- the quote you need a passport to go there does fit in with the prejudice that my clients expressed about Didsbury--  there all fucking posh gits. Now, I've forgotten what the third thing is- but I have just bought the making of Manchester Jewry book of Amazon.. Rambling again- better go and look for my teeth.   --ClemRutter (talk) 01:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A good point (about Zenner), and one easily fixed. Malleus Fatuorum 01:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Zenner is reliable. And we are talking about the 1960s and '70s if you read his book. If he considered it significant enough to mention in his chapter on "Syrian Sephardim in Manchester" why should we not also include it? Malleus Fatuorum 17:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Malleus Fatuorum - I note that you reverted my edit - you may not agree with it, but it was made in good faith, and was not vandalism Brownturkey (talk) 19:25, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I clicked the wrong button by mistake. Malleus Fatuorum 19:37, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offensive? 

message: A lot of this article sounds like it's been written by estate agents. Just saying...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongoletsi (talk • contribs) 15:38, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone 

message: Any chance of giving details of which feudal estate - this is the sort of thing which hyperlinks make easy to do if there is already a discussion of the estate elsewhere. Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 21:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Manor of Withington, as I've added to the lead, but we have no article on that. Malleus Fatuorum 22:01, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A feudal estate? 

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