Talk:High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy

message: I am not sure that Jurgen Trumpf has ever been a High Representative for the CFSP. Look at http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:1999:248:0033:0033:EN:PDF - Council Decision appointing Havier Solana for Secretary-General, High Representative, in which Mr. Trumpf is called only Secretary-General. It seems that Havier Solana is the first High Representative for the CFSP. 
I couldn't find anywhere in Internet documents supporting the idea that Jurgen Trumpf had been High Representative even for a month.
:I'm quite sure he became it by defult just for those few months. The post was created while he was SG and it was decided the SG would also be the HR, although he was not intended to be before. As it was only a few months, no one knows much. Will try to find more info.- J Logan t/c: 15:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jurgen Trumpf

message: I suggest as they are both small articles, we treaty the merged HR as a continuation of the existing HR. Both would even be Solana and now the names are very simmilar reflecting it. To me it looks like just extending the HR into the Commissioners domain with a service behind them. Now the same I know but I think we can put them in the same article, it is very small. - J Logan t/c: 15:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And when merge, merge into the latest one – High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy? wiki-vr 05:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so, it is not that yet. We should stick to the current name, the new name isn't even in a treaty yet, in is a proposal in a proposal for a proposed treaty. The article name would only be changed when the new post comes into force. As for the Commissioner, I think that is very separate right now and ought to be kept. Although we could reassess when when the new post comes into effect. Especially if we go with the old name it makes no sense to combine the two, currently separate, posts under the HR name. - J Logan t/c: 15:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: :High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy → High Representative — High Representative is a name commonly used for the new post. Solana (holder of the soon-scrapped CFSP High Representative) is our main precedent, and he was often called High Representative. The long and cumbersome formal title is used by few, and is likely to be even more forgotten when the post doesn't have to be introduced in every single news article. - SSJ ☎ 23:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Support - We have already discussed this a bit, and I think it is a good idea. - SSJ ☎ 23:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Support - as above.- J.Logan`t: 23:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Oppose - The full title should be used for the duration. High Representative can simply be a re-direct. Vandagard (talk) 23:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment - You're lets wait but now oppose? And why do we need the full title. WP policy is that when common titles are used and recognised far more than the long form we use them as article titles. Who on earth spells out even the current title? It is practically unknown in the media unless they want to stress that it is a long name.- J.Logan`t: 23:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

text: oOnly 35 results in the news, even EU foreign minister gets more.- J.Logan`t: 23:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Comment - We are talking about one specific title - High Representative. Wikipedia has only two articles about posts whose names include HR; in this group of two, the EU HR is overwhelmingly dominant. Few people know about the High Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina. Disambig trouble should not be an issue here. - SSJ ☎ 01:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Comment - and indeed the Bosnian High Rep is fading out and will eventually be wound up. You are really suggesting that people are going to confuse it with that single post? That is like saying the United States article should be a disambig because people want the United States of Central America or the various other minor historical states that have used the name. If We can have United States of America as United States, then we can definatly have High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy as High Representative.- J.Logan`t: 11:14, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Comment - Several publications including The Guardian abbreviate the title to EU High Representative. That might be a better solution. Vandagard (talk) 15:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment - Why? What on earth will it be confused with? A US High Representative. The Chinese High Representative? The only other High Representative we have on wikipedia is also appointed by the EU so that won't help at all. Plus, in titles acronyms are best avoided.- J.Logan`t: 16:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment - OK smartypants: what do you suggest? Vandagard (talk) 20:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment - JLogan clearly argued that we shouldn't add EU in front of "High Representative". I agree with him. Why are you being sarcastic? - SSJ ☎ 22:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Comment - Yes I do believe I suggested "High Representative", as we have just been discussing. You seem to keep saying it would be confused with something, but we're yet to learn what this other thing is. If there is something as notable as this High Representative, why do we only have an article for the obscure Bosnian chap?- J.Logan`t: 19:38, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Okay, to the admin seeing this move. All the above do not argue with the need for a move, the current title is out of date. I think we have a majority to move to the short title, and indeed there isn't much of a response to the counter points made to those arguing for the long title (and there is disagreement as to what a long titler actually is). Could this article please be moved to the short title so the article is at least up to date and then we can have a debate on whether it should be a long title after that.- J.Logan`t: 18:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes indeed, when there's a majority in favour of the move, and neither of the two people against the move respond to counter points, I guess we can say that there is a consensus in favour of renaming the article. - SSJ ☎ 18:07, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Move request

message: I am still not clear, after reading the amended Treaties, whether the Secretary-General of the Council and the High Rep can be/has to be the same person the Treaties are amended by the Treaty of Lisbon. – Kaihsu (talk) 12:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The media I've read have referred to the SG post being discussed as a third figure to appoint at the summit, but who are they appointing? Any press releases on this?- J.Logan`t: 23:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A SG has been appointed in the meantime. I have started a new article here. Not sure about the title yet. Perhaps you want to add information there. Tomeasy T C 09:08, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Ooups. I just found out that the article already existed under this name here. So, I am going to delete the article I created, provided I found out how. Tomeasy T C 10:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secretary-General of the Council after Lisbon?