Talk:Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh/Archive 1

message: BJP is not a political wing of Sangh. It is labelled so by the rival parties to grab publicity among the non-hindu population. It is to be noted that Sangh has had considerable influence on the party as most partymen were brought up in RSS environment. That shouldn't mean the party is a right wing of RSS. 
Also, RSS is not a movement, but a "voluntary organization". And the explanation (somebody asked for this in a comment on this talk page, so here goes) for "yoga, games (including sometimes training in stick fighting)" during the RSS meetups are cultural part of the meet-ups and have nothing to do with poltics or whatsoever. (Games usually include Kabbadi and others).
The above claim is wrong.
Point 1 can be refuted from BJP's own website http://www.bjp.org/history/history.html
For point 2, you can read from RSS' website and make your own conclusion.
http://www.rss.org/New_RSS/Mission_Vision/Why_RSS.jsp
*If the RSS has nothing to do with politics, why does the mission and vision page talk here talk about voting systems and how the current political system is flawed?
http://www.rss.org/New_RSS/Mission_Vision/RSS_on_Polity.jsp states the following: 
"For a Right Structure
Present system of elections defective-True representatives do not come up-Couple territorial with functional represntation-Make Panchayat election Unanimous-Socialism leads to Slavery-Theory of trusteeship-striking a balance between individual incentive and decentralisation of wealth-Hindu values, the backbone of success."
This is clearly a (poorly worded) political statement. Currently the wikipedia article is clearly not NPOV or accurate. Why not correct this and tell the truth? Flashback999 16:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Few things to be noted 

message: Lalitji's contributions aside, this article is highly POV in a pro-Sangh direction. I'm not confident of Lalit Shastri's ability to edit this article in anything resembling a neutral manner, but the rest of the folks here should at least be making some effort to remove the laudatory tone of the passage. A single "Criticism" section will not do. Also, a "History" section is notably lacking. Graft 16:16, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: True.  There are actually very recent stuff (i.e. violence against minority religious groups) that are not mentioned.  I think this article deserves a POV tag. --Basawala 18:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, the editors who keep removing negative RSS information need to be bold and brave enough to keep this article truthful. No organisation is infallable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flashback999 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article POV 

message: First things first, whoever this Lalit Shastri is, there is no need to respond to him. It would be like giving importance to some ignoramus idiot. 
-NB: an ignoramus idiot with sources.
Haven't u heard of the saying "When the elephant is passing, the dog can only bark". People like him fall in the later category. Empty vessel makes more noise.
-you proved that point yourself adequately.  
Also, some sections of the society think that RSS hates Muslims.
~~Nope, history has evidence to prove the RSS incites hatred against muslims.
Nothing can be farther from the truth. RSS condemns the Muslim bigots. Bigots who who impress upon the illiterate Muslims and turn them into religious fanatics.
 If you closely study RSS's philosophy, u will come to know that it wants to work for the betterment of Indian Society. If u argue that it works only for Hindus, U should remember that, during Gujrat Eartquake of Jan. 2001, it was the first organisation to help the people irrespective of their religion.
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-the noble RSS also helped themselves fraudulently to £2million pounds of earthquake appeal money donated from the UK to fund the expansion of the RSS: 
http://www.stopfundinghate.org/resources/news/UK/030704PeoplesDemocracy.htm
Also, unfortunately, some people think that by attacking and condemning their own people, they will gain more popularity. These are frustrated people who having failed in other walks of life turn to such things to grab attention, but invariably become laughing stocks at some point of time. Let them do the barking.
~~you have no evidence for this.
RSS is doing a good job. That it is a Hindu Organisation does not mean it is undemocratic.
Madhur Vaidya,
Advertising Professional, 
Mumbai.
I Have reverted to Lalit Shastris version which is closest to the actuality - My comment here is that this is a dangerous communal organisation which wants all of India's one hundred and fifty million muslims out of the country - They have orchestrated communal riots which have resulted in the deaths of thousands of poor muslims and hindus - Their cadre have infiltrated all levels of national and local government with the purpose of keeping muslims out - One of their chief ministers organised the mass murder of muslims in Gujrat State - This RSS Chief Minister was denied a visa by the USA for spreading religious hatred - During British times one of their founders Savakar was a police informer while in Prison in the Andaman islands (Kala pani)  and a coward to boot- The top echelons of this organisation are all Brahmins - This organisations preaches that Brahimins are superior and when the low caste convert to christanity the RSS thugs have in the past murdered them.
The policies of this organisation will alienate many indians in particular muslims and christians. Indian Muslims already are fed up of being treated as second class citizens, The RSS will be the cause of indian muslims to raise up in Armed struggle - Many tens of million muslim youth are unemployed and are waiting to be armed and taught bomb making-
I fear like the Tiber the ganges will flow red with blood if the muslims of India rise up - The RSS and its policy of sowing hatred and - its policy of exclusion of minorites will be the cause.
These are ignorant people of the RSS led by Badmashes and Chalaks (cunning) leaders - They have a sister organisation called the Shiv Sena in Bombay - which is just as sectarian and ignorant
So folk what we need in India and Pakistan is Economic progress like China - all this HINDU MUSLIM CASTE - HINDUTVA ETC is BUllshit
Our country Pakistan also have plenty of ignoromus and awful people and our share of religious bigots
HINDU & MUSLIM  BIGOTS CAUSED OUR COUNTRY TO BE DIVIDED IN 1947 - Ten million people died in the riots that followed.
Shafiq Ali Khan
From Pakistan
Mr. Shafiq Ali Khan,
I do appreciate you accepting the state of affairs in Pakistan.
Before commenting on the state of Muslims in India, please take a look at your own country and the minorities.
India is a secular country and no citizen of the country is a second class citizen whatever their religion. What is the state of Hindus in Pakistan? Before commetning on RSS please inform yourself about Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed. In addition, get your history right: India wasn't divided because of Hindu bigots, it was divided by Muslim bigots who wanted a separate motherland for Muslims. No Hindu ever wanted his motherland divided, that too on religious basis. You talk about Muslims rising in armed struggle against the RSS, that's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Please mind your own business. You need not worry about Muslims in India, the are safe here. Much safer than the Hindus are in your Islamic republic. And as far economic progress is concerned India is marching right ahead. It is you have to worry about progress with your leaders leading you into medieval period.
:: Applause . 
I fully agree.
I am ashamed of calling myself a hindu in india. --Anirudh777 10:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: self-hatred, a zeitgeist of love for muslims who want to kill us all.(Pusyamitra Sunga 18:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Enlightenment: 

message: As the article deals with Positive and Negative aspects, Removing the NPOV is more better.
I firmly believe these people don't know anything about sangh.Sangh didn't kill any muslims,it was the outburst of hindus after the killing of 58 hindu kar sewaks,gentlemen.Start from the zero,what was the real reason.Moreover in gujrarat riots 1400 muslims and 200 hindus were killed too.Now being caste system.Caste is nowhere prevalent in hindu system.Read the vedas and upanishads,it is based on karma not jati.
And moreover it is varna not caste.The hindu society got degraded,not hindu scriptures.Its the fault of hindus.The sanatana dhrma is eternal,with monothism as the motto and prescribing polythic preaching so that every person can reach to god through any path.
Learn about it first,now shastreejee,You have written against sangh,tell me which organsisation comes forward to help people in times of disastrers.Before the army and government it is the sangh who helps them voluntarily.Please go on the ground.The so called indian elite and westerners feel like rss is bad,it was created as a mindset by british and still are communist and muslims and yes pseudo secular historians follow the goras.
Rss if you want to know go to any sangh shakha tell me once they say kill non hindus,they only say protect your people .when you are attacked you must defend,thats what they did in 2002.
Now why are you always harping aboput hindus killing muslims.Take the 20 year ethnic cleansing by pakistna sis militants,the islamic jehadis of kashmiri pandits.Yous heart doesn't melt.5 lakhs are now living in deplorable conditions in jammu and delhi.Also what about bangladesh hindus are killed.
read indian history and please the originals and bipan chandra and romila thapars,the left historians which don't want to comment on kgb even.You have right to hold on to your misbelief,but if you want to know the truth i would "RSS is a great organsiation",go and meet these people.I doubt you have ever met one.
JAi hindu Jai sikh
Jai bharat
:I wonder if YOU'VE read the Upanishads. It's quite clear that the idea of caste is much more like "jati" than mere karma. There's many illustrative episodes: for example, despite phenomenal accomplishment, it takes Vishwamitra tens of thousands of years of meditation before he is (very reluctantly) granted the status of Brahmin in a single lifetime, merely because he was born as a Kshatriya. Similarly, Karna's accomplishment as a warrior merit him nothing but scorn, because he was a suta-putra (charioteer's son, i.e. a Sudra). The Upanishads are clear on the subject; I think it's an admirable sentiment to aspire to, but that isn't, in fact, what's written. Graft 05:15, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wonder if you've read Indian History. Chhatrapati Shivaji Raje Bhonsle was born a Khatriya, but was granted the title of 'Vedonarayana', a Brahmin honirific, after his exclellent scholarship of Sanskrit was established. It did not take him 'ten thousand years' at all, but only his teenage years. There are ample case of lower castes being elevated to Brahmin status. Even Rabindranath Thakur (Tagore) is regarded by many pandits as a de-facto Brahmin, even though 'Thakur' is not a Brahmin clan at all. What about Shri Vamadeva Shastri (who was born David Frawley, a mlechcha, who has been declared a Hindu Brahmin, with his own lineage and patriarchy)?(Pusyamitra Sunga 22:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No need of NPOV here 

message: the salute that RSS sewaks use is NOT the nazi salute...the hand is not raised upwards, it is brought to the sides...to suggest that it is the nazi salute is thus POV...I shall revert to the earlier edit if its ok..crook2 plz discuss your edit here before changing the contents of the article. (Saurabhb 11:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi salute!? 

message: The article is unbiased and presents the facts. I think it is an awesome job. Lets appreciate it and not try to insert our own POVs in that.
RSS Dwaj Pranam is NOT Nazi Salute 
Actual Nazi Salute
: Also this actual  deutsher-Grub
Notice the mullahs up front? (Pusyamitra Sunga 22:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Job 

message: Someone with the IP number 71.132.5.24 modified the title of the dwaj Pranam to 'nazi salute' ...I must reiterate that wiki articles must conform to NPOV...would the person using the IP number please get a username. the dwaj pranam is NOT a Nazi Salute...however much you are against the RSS (as am I) plz stop using wiki to push your own POV (Saurabhb 20:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  salute title modified again 

message: i'm not an expert on india, but i do know that this group is widely considered to be fascistic and far-right.  i came here looking for an insightful take on it, and instead this article reads like a promotional brochure.  if you don't agree with RSS's critics, fine, but you HAVE TO INCLUDE THEIR VIEWS IN THE ARTICLE.  it's absurd and shameful that one of the most controversial organizations in the world doesn't have a single critical word in its wikipedia page. 167.206.188.3 19:14, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  could we have a single critical voice in this article? 

message: There has been a merge tag on RSS survey for a long time.  Could someone who knows the subject either make the merge, or remove the tags if the merge is suitable.  Kcordina  Talk  12:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: RSS was actully banned thrice.. In February of 1948 after Gandhi's assasination, the RSS was declared an unlawful organization and this ban continued over a year this article talks about guruji visting Nehru and Patel regarding the ban. there is no mention of this ban in article..??  --Sartaj beary 00:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ban 

message: Do not continue to remove or modify other people's postings as it violates WP:TPG.  Seicer (talk) 12:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do not continue to remove postings 

message: :The last edit by Bhaisaab was POV, so I reverted it.Netaji 19:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not censore cited material and insert original research. BhaiSaab talk 19:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted again. I believe Blnguyen said that Bhaisaab should mind his own business (Islam-related articles). As per Blnguyen's guidelines, stop inserting POV garbage into the article.Bakaman Bakatalk 19:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, do you own these articles? Blnguyen never said such a thing. BhaiSaab talk 19:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah I own them. I am master of all things India. LolBakaman Bakatalk 20:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if I'm Indian too? BhaiSaab talk 20:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I removed the statement.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Bhaisaab should mind his own business " - Bhaisaab is free to edit whatever he wants to. It would be harrassing to try to restrict anyone to one particular topic. And it seems to be a personal attack.  So please be civil to each other. Mar de Sin Speak up! 20:15, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Stop defining "personal attacks" without analyzing the situation. An admin requested that he refrain from bothering Hindu users. Bakaman Bakatalk 02:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh really? Where? BhaiSaab talk 03:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last edit by Bhaisaab 

message: ...in what way is  an anti-semitic source? --Soman 08:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, they are left-wing anti-semites. They are part of the New Anti-Semitism movement that comes from the far left. The tone of the article is clearly that of an obsessive hatred for Israel (ie a cover for hatred for Jews) and so is anti-Semitic.Netaji 08:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And that POV is substantiated by ...? --Soman 09:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Are you kidding? They say that they are Revolutionary Leftists. Sounds like Lenin's avatars. Insaf ghadar is a forum for CPIM mumbo jumbo.Bakaman Bakatalk 03:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

text: That site is anti-humanity poison.
Bakaman Bakatalk 03:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Revolutionary Left' = Anti-Semitism? --Soman 13:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The source isn't fit for wiki in the first place. It is a site where super-left-wing communist nutheads rant about the evils of democracy.Bakaman Bakatalk 14:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...says the person who uses the site christianaggression.org as a reference for wiki articles. --Soman 14:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I also placed satp on there. Also you may want to look at WP:CIVIL. Bakaman Bakatalk 15:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Irony is well within the limits of a civil discussion. 'nutheads', 'anti-humanity poison', etc. are words better to be avoided. --Soman 15:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Arabs and Jews are Semitic - and consequently the religions followed by them are Semitic.Who does the reference imply against TerryJ-Ho 22:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

text: If you look at the wikipedia article anti-Semitism the term is used exclusively to denote hatred for Jews, not Arabs. Due to various historical reasons, the term refers to the Jewish people.Hkelkar 23:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

text: No Hkelkar, let Terry read the reference and find out for himself. Bakaman Bakatalk 23:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Semitism? 

message: Isn't "Position on Zionism" off topic? Ideally, it should be in Zionism or somewhere else. Babub→Talk 15:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO, it is important to mention the outright support of RSS to zionist movements. But you are free to remove it, if you consider it redundant. Moreover, the statement is supported by well cited sources, and the Parivars support to zionist movements has led to its criticism by anti-semetic organisations.nids 18:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off topic 

message: The source, Far Eastern Survey, does not mention who describes it in such a way so I think "observers" would be more neutral than "critics." I will paste a quote from the source shortly. BhaiSaab talk 21:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (National Voluntary Service Association) is a Hindu organization whose nature and acitivites have aroused considerable controversy in India. It has been characterized on the one hand as a reactionary group of Hindu fanatics with fascist tendencies; and on the other as a cultural organization dedicated to restoring and revitalizing the spiritual and moral traditions of India, which are being destroyed by contact with the alien West."
This is the introduction of the essay. BhaiSaab talk 21:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who calls it a "reactionary group of Hindu fanatics with Fascist tendencies" ? 

message: Please remove the link to Rajendra singh in the main article as it points to some other person and not the ex-sanghsanchalak.nids(♂) 01:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: where?Bakaman Bakatalk 04:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the section Sarsanghsanchalaks, there is a link to ex-Sarsanghsanchalak Rajendra Singh. The article to which this links is not the same Rajendra Singh whom we call rajju bhaiyya.nids(♂) 05:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The article on Rajendra Singh is about some water conservationist.nids(♂) 05:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  requesting changes 

message: Please consider linking to the video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1013666219441914390
Sangh Swayamsevaks are running nearly 70,000 service projects throughout Bharat. These service projects range from reconstructing villages in the Bhuj, Gujarat to boys hostel for Tribal Villagers in Tinsukia, Assam. From latest medical clinic, in Wayana, Banglore to adopting kids who have lost their parents to terrorism in Jammu & Kashmir. Very often these projects are hidden from the glare of news cameras and writers of major newspapers. Now, there is a video to showcase the RSS’s effort to once again take Bharat to Param Vaibhav (the pinnacle of glory). Please take a moment to see for yourself, the selfless hard work by lakhs of sangh swayamsevaks in every nook and corner of Bharat.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sjain (talk • contribs) .
:That is what the RSS is truly about. Not the kind of stuff the CPIM and SIMI say about it.Bakaman Bakatalk 16:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: RSS also fights and opposes the Caste System. This should be put up in the article:
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1507163/posts
Hkelkar 00:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Excellent. We should include this in the article.--Milki 01:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video on 70,000 service projects run by (RSS) 

message: The RSS is active throughout India and also abroad as the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh, "Hindu Volunteers' Union".  
Is the HSS structurally connected with RSS?  Because the page Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh says that the RSS was an "inspiration" and doesn't mention and any structural connection. Mar de Sin Speak up! 20:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been to HSS with friends a bit. They dont really mention RSS much, they mostly do yoga and talk about the Gita. Its nowhere near as politicized as the RSS, and they dont talk about BJP/VHP? etc. Its more of a cultural org.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no formal relationship between RSS and HSS. Both organizations are administratively and financially independent of each other. However, HSS does take inspiration from the RSS method's of organizing society such as Shakhas, and uses many of the RSS's ideas in its own organization. RSS leaders are often invited by HSS for speaking tours.Sjain 04:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HSS 

message: Whoever this User:Thiru kk is who has been adding this section to the article needs to learn WP:NPOV,WP:RS, WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a forum for propaganda.Please keep a neutral narrative. A section on "Criticism" is already there so this one is redundant.Hkelkar 20:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A critical view already exists in the "criticism" section. Your edits violate wikipedia policy and, if you persist, you will be reported.Hkelkar 21:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not the mouthpeice of the CPM either.Hkelkar 21:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: What does "dubivious" mean? Is it some sort of portmanteau of "dubious" and "obvious"? Hkelkar 21:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely unsourced POV. Removed, and rightly removed. Nobleeagle  [TALK] [C] 23:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Riots and Genocide"" 

message: Did the people who write this even read their sources ?
''
Some Indians (especially its political opponents INC and CPI(M)) criticize the RSS for its "Hindu supremacist philosophy" and campaigns against other religions in India.''
The source for this is RSS asking Hindus to get rid of Caste based differences.
In his book Fascism: Theory and Practice, Dave Renton mentions that in the 1990's RSS has used Communal riots as form of popular politics against the state and has adapted the fascist ideology to Indian conditions
I've just read this book and it claims since RSS has adopted only adapted "parts" of Fascist Ideology and is NOT a full fledged movement against the state and hence cannot be called Fascist. The statement made was seriously taken out of context.
The RSS has also been alleged by Human Rights Watch for taking a part in violence against Muslims in the 2002 Gujarat conflict. Officially, 793 people, mostly Muslims, were killed in the conflicts, but Human Rights Watch claims an upwards death toll of 2500. 
This source has one mention of RSS and it vaguely claims RSS was involved in the incident.
The McDonald Abstract doesn't talk much about the claims it's been sourced with.
The Google Cache and the original link are no longer available regarding the Christian Priest's Comments.'''
I will wait for input from others on what needs to be done.--Milki 15:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found additional links regarding the priest's comments:Rumpelstiltskin223 22:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Concerning the Renton book, looks like whoever cited it was deliberately mis-representing the book so I corrected it by your suggestion. Please check it now. Rumpelstiltskin223 22:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, the criticisms section also contains rebuttals to those criticisms. Does anyone mind if I reorganise the allegations of Fascism (and their rebuttals) under a separate Heading ? --71.163.73.234 00:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Well that is a valid point. However, I think the Gujarat riot allegations should be there because if it isn't, vandals and trolls will put it back with a lot of POV and bias. It is better to state it attributively and neurally that not state it at all. Anyways, that is my view. I just want to avoid revert-wars, which seem disturbingly common in this article. Rumpelstiltskin223 03:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the Criticisms Section ..... 

message: A message to all pro-RSS editors here constantly removing references to accounts of atrocities, bans, prejudice and negative RSS actions in this article, the HSS article and all related articles on wikipedia: 
You can waste your time on wikipedia all day long editing and fashioning the truth to your taste, however as much as you try , you cannot change actual historical events, the evidence for those events and the people affected by those events. 
The RSS has 2 million members, India has a population of 1000 million:  That makes the RSS a mighty 0.2% of the population: Conclusion: You are a minority. 
If you really do believe in the RSS cause why not tell the truth? If you are honest to 99.8% of India, maybe they might actually listen to you!
Best wishes - I give this paragraph a lifetime on wikipedia of about 1 hour...  
:But then, the BJP won the elections in India in 1998, a majority of Indians supported the RSS's political wing.  — Nobleeagle  [TALK] [C] 00:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So why aren't they members then? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.229.83.223 (talk) 10:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be completely ignorant of politics. The Republican and Democratic Party of United States are undeniably the dominant parties in USA, however only half of their voters are "registered" and "members". RSS is a concentrated ideology while BJP is a major political party encompassing wide facets of people's lives. One doesn't have to be a member to believe in something. Even with using pure numbers, RSS is the world's largest volunteer organisation and largest non-communist organisation. --Vishnuchakra 01:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also there around 5 million members active alone. I imagine the actual count to be much larger.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/655722.stm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vishnuchakra (talk • contribs) 17:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No header presented 

message: POV Tags have been added to the BJP, RSS and Hindu Unity pages. I was wondering if someone could point out what part of this page is filled with POV, so that we can work on fixing it. Thanks Vishnuchakra 14:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well no one has pointed out anything so far. So am I to take this as having no objections in removing the tag? Vishnuchakra 18:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV Tag?