Talk:All-terrain vehicle

message: Nothing new in this article though it has some historical tit bits here and there. For example, the year 3 wheeled ATV seized to be sold can be got from this sentence. "In 1987, the agency sued ATV manufacturers, declaring the vehicles an imminently hazardous consumer product. The suit was settled a year later, with the companies agreeing to stop selling the three-wheel ATV models the agency considered highly unstable." Sales figure for ATV in some past years come out in this sentence "According to the industry, 884,000 ATVs were sold in 2003, up from 447,000 in 1998." Other historical data "The popularity of ATVs has been increasing, with 6.2 million four-wheel vehicles in use in 2003, double the number in 1998. Injuries have been rising steadily every year, according to agency statistics. In 2003, there were 125,500 injuries, up from 67,800 in 1998. About 31 percent of those injured in 2003 were younger than 16, compared with 37 percent in 1998."   gathima 18:37, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: editor comment

message: "Engine sizes of ATVs currently for sale (as of 2006) range from 50cc to 800cc. They range in price from about $2000 to nearly $8000." I am wonder where this info applies. USA? It is why I would like to seek a citation.--Jusjih 06:24, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see, I added the citation to the CPSC research giving the market data in question. It is for the US. My apologies for not giving the region initially.  --Lynne Jorgensen 02:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have corrected this information back to what it was originally as cited in the article.  While it may be true some ATV's retail for $12,000 this is no representative of the market, and will need a citation to prove such information.--Budlight 05:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the cost info back to the original (from $13000 to $8000) because that is what the citation gives. If someone is going to change it to $13000, please give a correct citation for it. The CPSC citation does not contain a reference to the upper end of the ATV cost range as being $13000. Please see the Wikipedia policy on citing references and verifiability of information at WP:V. Lynne Jorgensen 01:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation sought (ATV Price ranges) 

message: Wondering if it would be prudent to make note of non-typical usages of ATVs.  For example, they are a familiar sight driving down city streets in phildelphia and can be seen with rims and other such adornments.--Ron 19:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Curious! I've never heard of widespread inner-city use, though I have seen some on the outskirts of Miami. Nothing like what you  describe, however. I would think this would be a good addition to the article -- very educational, and I thought I'd seen and heard a lot about ATVs to this point. Thanks for your expertise! Lynne Jorgensen 02:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, people actually use them for drag racing (complete with wagering) in inner cities. However, I would have to be convinced that it's a "familiar sight" in urban Philadelphia. --Don Williams 22:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been articles in the Philadelphia Inquirer newspaper on the illegal use of ATV's in city parks and on city streets- and on the Philadelphia Police efforts to reduce these.-Sept. 2012 see http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Phillys_bike_life_culture.html----[User: Mi.Lee.Hu.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mi.Lee.Hu (talk • contribs) 04:16, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

text: In several countries in Europe ATVs are legal to use on the street and are considered an automobile. Japanese and North American manufacturers have to convert ATVs sold to Europe for the market. This includes having the foot brake operate all four wheels, reinforce the ignition to guard against theft, place engine restrictions (if the particular market calls for them) and adding turn signals and reflectors. Also, it is legal to ride 2-Up on a one-person machine. I rode in the French Alps and it was quite an experience riding on the streets of the French towns. If I can find any photos I will consider adding them. There are also several American communities that have made it legal to ride on streets in order to facilitate business growth around trail use and to connect trails. One place that comes to mind is the city of Logan, W.V. that is in the heart of the Hatfield-McCoy Trails.Alf rules 21:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non trail usage? 

message: I just wanted to mention that where I live in Canada, ATVs are almost always referred to as "four-wheelers" or "three-wheelers", and almost never ATVs. Is this the common term anywhere else?Thomasiscool 16:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you look at the magazines, you have ATV Action, ATV Sport and ATV Illustrated. Don Williams 07:06, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also Quad, Dirt Wheels, and many more that dont have ATV in the name, That is a very shity point. "four-wheeler" and "three-wheeler" are the most common here to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.250.12.60 (talk) 06:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your highly inarticulate contribution. Don Williams 00:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to just mention I laughed out loud seeing Don's deadpan response above to the 'shity' crticism comment.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.12.104 (talk) 23:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: I've cleaned up the references section to be similiar to what I've seen on most other pages.
The following links weren't attached to a certain part of the article and likely should be
*U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Frequently Asked Questions from ATV Riders
*All-terrain Vehicle Safety Institute
*U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Press Release: CPSC Announces Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on ATVs
*CPSC's 2004 Annual Report of ATV Deaths and Injuries — Preceding unsigned comment added by Budlight (talk • contribs) 04:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed the last two, so that the citations and references match up. They refer to footnotes 3 and 4 in the safety section. Lynne Jorgensen 01:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: I find the overall tone of this article to be decidely anti-ATV. Especially the section regarding injuries and deaths. While it is worth noting that there are people killed and injured on ATVs each year, it is also worth noting that the accident rate per hour of use is actually decreasing. The more ATVs are sold, the more people will ride them. And the more ATVs are ridden, the more accidents will happen. Just something to think about, I believe. I will research sources to back up my claims. Alf rules 21:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the article excessively PRO 4-wheeler, without discussion of noise pollution, pollution from mud runoff, property invasion, and habitat destruction. Mudholes become mosquito breeding grounds.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.195.138.125 (talk) 18:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone 

message: Can you ride an ATV on the road and What is so bad about three wheelers?PendoFSX 00:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: About road riding: In some states, South Dakota, for instance, ATVs with a displacement of 250CC or greater can be licensed as a motorcycle for road use. However the machine must have a rear-view mirror and horn. BTW, in the Black Hills of South Dakota, more than 80% of the 1.4-million-acre Black Hills National Forest, is open for ATV users. Additonally, BLM land, national grasslands and state lands are also open to ATV users.Dab1066 04:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Street use of ATVs is legal in several states.  In Idaho, they are registered with a "limited use" plate, which permits operation on all county and local (city) roads/streets, unless specifically prohibbited by that county or city.  Operation on state and interstate highways is not permitted.  Requirements include brake lights, mirror and horn.  Turn signal lights are not required.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.37.75.110 (talk) 15:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ATV ROAD 

message: "Three wheelers" can actually be made street legal in the United States due to loop holes for three wheel vehicles to be classified as motorcycles, allowing "meter-maid" vehicles and the such. Conversion kits are available to convert some sport ATV's to a single rear wheel, thus allowing them to be licensed with the afor mentioned horn, mirror, turn signal additions. Four wheel ATV's cannot be made street legal in most states because they are then classified as cars and do not pass Federal safety standards (side impact, etc.). Road legal quads abound in Europe and the quad magazines regularly do articles on them. RustyATV 04:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Street use of ATVs is legal in several states.  In Idaho, they are registered with a "limited use" plate, which permits operation on all county and local (city) roads/streets, unless specifically prohibbited by that county or city.  Operation on state and interstate highways is not permitted.  Requirements include brake lights, mirror and horn.  Turn signal lights are not required.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.37.75.110 (talk) 15:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: more about roads

message: "the overwhelming evidence of human growth patterns upon the landscape indicates damage to the sensitive habitats are caused by unmitigated growth of single-family housing planning and extractive industries" 207.216.216.119 03:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference Needed (Weasel Words - Overwhelming?) 

message: I work for the America's Most Wanted Safety Center, a new department of America's Most Wanted getting away from the capturing of criminals, and branching out to all aspects of safety. I feel a link to our post about ATV safety would be appropriate and mutually beneficial, particularly because it prominently features an exciting video narrated by Julie Vallese of the Consumer Products Safety Commission. The link is http://www.amw.com/safety/?p=57 please consider it.
Jrosenfe 15:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: External links should be added to dmoz, see Wikipedia:EL#Links to be considered. Is this thing working? (talk) 01:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a link 

message: "Nationally, the US Forest Service considers managed ATV use to be a legitimate activity in national forests, yet it also lists their unregulated use as one of the four greatest threats to long term forest management. The US Forest Service recently released a national travel management plan designed to minimize the negative environmental impacts of ATVs while providing a safe, sustainable and enjoyable opportunity for ATV users." --It seems to me that a statement like that should require some kind of citation. 76.208.9.104 14:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote is used here in 2003: http://www.powersportsforums.com/atvs-quads/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathleenatkins (talk • contribs) 06:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation? 

message: "Unverified?"  Those are obviously ATV tracks, and obviously eroded.  The only further verification you could have is to have a wider angle to get a better idea of whether there is in fact no erosion surrounding the track.  Can we NOT be ridiculous about this?Andy Christ 19:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  erosion photo 

message: i knoticed their was some vandalism on the page. ive taken care of that. Atvrider1919 21:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: This article really needs a cleanup to bring it to NPOV.  An example sentence that either needs to be cited or removed is:
Since the late 1980s, ATVs are used for sex and underage drinking. This has led to greater conflict between ATV users and child-safety advocates, rural landowners, fellow outdoor recreationalists and environmentalists. 
Laplie 01:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grossly Biased 

message: Royal Enfield invented a powered Quaracycle in 1893 that both resembles a modern Quadbike and operates in a similar manner. This Article is also too US centric and doesn't have any infomation about what other governments reconise as a Quadbike or about not ATV quads (EG cars classified as motorbikes like the G-wiz and the reliant robin). TBH the article could do with a complete overhaul.(Morcus (talk) 02:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: those are cars classified as motorcycles though, not ATVs, they have their own catigory anyway three wheelers  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.235.83.23 (talk) 22:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The History section is wrong

message: Quad Bike redirects here but I feel a second page specifically about Powered Quadracycles should exist under Quad bike. There are many Quads that are not ATV's and this article doesn't contain info on them, also this article is far too US centric with half the Article filled with infomation about critisms and observations that are irrelevent in the UK and most likely in other places, The first paragraph gives a deffinition of what an ATV is wich is diferent to the DVLA's deffinition of what a quadracycle is (A 4 wheeled Vehicle below a certain weight). There would be the potential for alot of cross over but I feel it is nessessary whilst this article remains in this format.(Morcus (talk) 02:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A quadricycle is specifically a vehicle powered by a human, so I'm not sure at all what you mean. In any case, most of what is on the page you helped create is replicated here or is uncited. Alastairward (talk) 11:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Had a look at the Quad bike article and I reinstated the redirect. The lead paragraph of that article had confusing information, whereby the license category that a driver of an ATV in the UK was used as a definition of such a vehicle. Other than that the rest of the article is a simple replication of what is here or is uncited. Alastairward (talk) 11:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Quad bikes and redirects

message: This sounds like it was written by someone with an axe to grind.  Weasel words abound.  Opinion does not belong in an encyclopedia article period.  Article is twice as long as it should be.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.204.195.101 (talk) 02:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Emissions sections is particularly troublesome.  Lawn mowers produce far more "harmful" emissions than ATV's.   Plus there is a broken link on a significant claim that ATV's are harmful to the environment, despite their low incident of use.  What a bunch of BS.--96.244.247.130 (talk) 02:08, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lousy Article

message: OK, this is not the place to change things, Wikipedia is describing what is but I cannot resist... "bike" = bi-cycle = 2 circles. A "quad bike" must then be 4 * 2 circles, it must have eight wheels =) bi-bike, that's what it is!!  (compare to trike, it got three wheels) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.240.124 (talk) 06:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quad bike? 

message: Hi,
I'm surprised to see that Wikipedia doesn't want to add my link to the ATV site I've been building the last few months: http://www.atv-allterrainvehicles.com. It's a general site about the different aspects of driving an ATV and what it requires from both the vehicle and the driver. I've been putting articles on it on a regular basis, and what's more: they have no commercial content. So why not allow it? This site contains regular info, that could help people who think about riding an ATV themselves. Edwikied (talk) 10:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Go read WP:EL including WP:ELNO. Wikipedia is not here to promote your website. If you read the criteria for links to avoid you will see that you fall down on several points. The only contributions you have made are to add external links to articles. As mentioned on your talk page, that is a fast track to getting banned off Wikipedia. If you want to make a useful contribution then add content not links. --Biker Biker (talk) 10:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: It's been a while since I've read this and its useless, for a start its to US centric and the history is all wrong. Royal Enfield Built a Quad in the 1800 yet the history starts in the 70's.(Morcus (talk) 19:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: could you please site Enfield's first bike?  While ATV's may have existed before the 60's, major sales to the public began in the late 60's to early 70's. (Gibbs 1995) They started becoming commonplace in the early 80's coinciding with popular mechanics articles and increased sales (Rodgers 1990). (129.255.1.225 (talk) 21:20, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useless Article. 

message: I added Argo to the list, since they are also pretty big in the industry. Since they do not have an article on wikipedia, I simply linked it to their homepage. Is that cool with everyone?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.227.118 (talk) 19:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than link to their home page -- which merely proves they exist -- it would be better to link to a story in a book or magazine or news outlet which focuses on the company itself, which would demonstrate that they are a major manufacturer. For example, a story in Business Week or the New York Times or whatever which states, "Argo is a major ATV manufacturer" or something like that. But I can't seem to find any independent sources which say that. Are they really that big? --Dbratland (talk) 20:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: New major ATV manufacturers

message: It would be helpful to at least mention electric ATVs, perhaps in the "Emissions" section to present a zero-emissions alternative. 
Here is a quick link which, being from How Stuff Works, may not be citation-worthy but still offers some good general information for a party savvy in the subject matter area to build upon:  http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/outdoor-activities/off-roading/off-road-atvs4.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harris.thomasj (talk • contribs) 14:12, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Mention of Electric ATVs? 

message: Info regarding the proposed merger can be found here. Also, please follow the link and reply to my comment if you want to discuss the merger. Passengerpigeon (talk) 02:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

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message: I added a link that regards ATV tourism in West Virginia: https://wvexplorer.com/recreation/atv-touring/
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