Talk:Dunedin

message: Great stuff there! As a resident of Dunedin for 25 of my most formative years, I was delighted to read the page.
There must be lots more famous Dunedinites... - wasn't Janet Frame born there?
[above text copied from Talk:Dunedin, New Zealand]
It would be great to have a sound file for the NZ pronouncation of "Dunedin" in this article!
Hey i hope noone has any problem that i added this climate table?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.158.50 (talk) 14:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: A thought about the suburbs... With the three main centres, it makes sense to have separate articles for separate suburbs, With Dunedin, there are quite a number of suburbs that are writing something about, but I doubt that many of them warrant a full article. What I propose to do (unless there's any strong objections) is write an article called Suburbs of Dunedin, and give each of them its own subheading and paragraph or two. If necessary they can be moved to their own articles later, and it avoids having nine or ten new stubs. Good idea, or is it better to write separate articles now?  Grutness|hello?  06:17, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: well, it's now one week later (almost to the minute), and there's been no-one saying "Don't do it!", so the article's on its way.  Grutness|hello?  06:35, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Good point. Basically anything beyond the inner range of hills is probably dbest described as an outer suburb. I've been wondering whether it's time to start breaking out some of the main suburbs for their own pages, too - probably not all of them deserve separate pages, but a decent article could be written on somewhere like St. Kilda. The main Suburbs of Dunedin page is still a good guide though. Grutness...wha? 07:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suburbs 

message: I've just removed the following recently-added line:
:Dunedin is the most remote city in the world from Western Europe. The distance from London is 19100 km.
Dunedin is remote, but this is just too vague. Dunedin and Invercargill are almost exactly equidistant from London, Auckland's most remote from Gibraltar, and Wellington is almost exactly antipodean to Madrid. "Western Europe" is just too vague for this to fly. Grutness...wha? 22:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: most remote...=

message: There's been some good expansion to the history section lately - so much so that it might be worth breaking it out into a separate page and leaving only a summary here - any thoughts? Grutness...wha? 00:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Grutness...wha? 06:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate [[History of Dunedin]] page?

message: Leave the correct information of dunedin Population, as the older version was inaccurate and needed to be corrected, do not change it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.180.118.160 (talk • contribs) 
:It would help considerably if you could give the source of your information. The previous 2006 figure is correct according to the spreadsheet downloadable from stats.govt.nz. I'm not sure where the 2005 figures comes from.-gadfium 00:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: I've just removed the following new addition to the page, which was immediately after the paragraph about the growth of the "Dunedin Sound" in the 1980s: 
:Also at this time, there was what could be described as an "anti-Dunedin sound" core developing, in reaction to the perceived elitism of the Flying Nun clique, comprised of such groups as Let's get Naked, Cactus Club and number of other unsigned, but popular bands.
This is misleading, to say the least. Let's Get Naked, Cactus Club, Gamaunche, Craig Watt, Working With Walt, Wreck Small Speakers, and many of the other Dunedin bands of the era worked alongside Flying Nun bands, and although their sound was far more diverse than that usually associated with Dunedin Sound, they tended to be grouped under the same umbrella, especially by the music scene outside Dunedin. Certainly the development of most of these bands was not "in reaction" to anything related to Flying Nun, but was instead simply in the interests of a wider music scene. Small record labels like Rational and Xpressway produced a reasonable number of these bands (so they could hardly be called "unsigned"), and in many cases compilation albums by these labels featured tracks by artists who were also connected with Flying Nun. A case in point is Xpressway's "Killing Capitalism with kindness" album, which has tracks by everyone from A Handful of Dust to David Kilgour. Other artists worked directly with both Flying Nun and smaller Dunedin labels (David Mitchell, the Jefferies Brothers and Alastair Galbraith, to name but four of them). Grutness...wha? 12:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not so much disassociating them from the Dunedin sound bands, just disassociating them from the sound associated with the Dunedin Sound and with what many people instantly thought of when they heard the term "Dunedin Sound". As I said, it's more a case that people tended to associate the Dunedin Sound with Flying Nun, though there was a considerable and more diverse music scene not recording for that label (e.g., all the Xpressway artists). My own bands (The Kaftans and The Moomins) were in very much the same situation as Cactus Club as far as that was concerned (in fact, IIRC our former drummer Riki Agnew later played with Cactus Club...). I certainly don't remember that any perceived elitism from the Nun bands was in any way part of the reason for the rise of this "anti-Sound" movement - it was more a case that there was a vibrant music scene in the town and that made it easier for other bands to start up and become part of it, irrespective of their sound. Of course, as the old saying goes, your mileage may vary.  Grutness...wha? 04:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Dunedin music scene in the 1980s

message: This article (in its Geography section) claims that Dunedin is the fourth largest city in the world by land area. I've also heard "fifth-largest" quoted elsewhere. However, comparing the land area (3314.8km²) to the areas listed at List of cities by surface area, Dunedin would be around position #26. Does anybody have a reference for this claim? --Ghewgill 18:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. Odd. I've always heard it as fourth largest - and also heard Mt Isa (Australia) being the biggest. perhaps there has recently been some sort of regional reorganisation in China, since most of the ones on that list 9to which I've now added Dunedin) seem to be in the PRC... Grutness...wha? 22:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That list seems slightly problematic. For example, nowhere in Wood Buffalo, Alberta is it described as a city, but as a very large non-dividable municipality. Similary prefecture-level city suggests that such administrative units are not really cities. On the other hand, there's quite a nice list here  of populations, land areas, and population densities that avoids the silliness of legal boundaries, and measures conurbations and developed urban areas. Of course, by that definition, the largest city in the world is the tri-state area. It also has Sydney well ahead of Mt Isa, and gives Dunedin an estimated 85km2. However, depending on what you consider a city, by some measures, Dunedin probably is around number 4. --Limegreen 23:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fourth largest city in the world by land area? 

message: The claim that dunedintourism.co.nz is the official tourism website of dunedin is incorrect.
'Dunedin Tourism' a trust operated by The Dunedin City Council a division of government is the official website of Tourism in Dunedin.
This needs to be changed immeadiately!
Regards
Adrian McCaffrey
Online Marketing Manager
Dunedin Tourism
Tourismdunedin 01:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourism Dunedin is Dunedins Official Tourism Website 

message: this entry is getting long, perhaps best to create new entry of noted inhabitants of Dunedin? Michellecrisp 06:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Noted inhabitants

message: Is there any particular reason why we need to use the wide image template and a width of 1200 pixels for the panoramas on this page? I would have thought that the 800 pixel wide thumbnails we had were perfectly adequate, especially given the large number of panoramas on this page. Wellington still uses the smaller size, so why differ. Anyway, if anyone is more interested in a particular panorama, then they can simply view the full-sized version. In fact, perhaps we don't really need to include both of my mount Cargill panoramas? (Donovan|Geocachernemesis|Interact) 08:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wide Images 

message: Do we need to use that map? It's pretty horrible, and I notice the same thing has been done to Auckland and Christchurch. Would it be better to have an atlas map of NZ in the background and an inset of the South Island with Dunedin coloured in?
And with the current map... we are not a dot at the bottom of the peninsula, there should be way more red! Remember Dunedin is big ;) Timothy 16:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most atlases are copyright, and therefore not suitable. And one of the few freely useable (the CIA factbook) isn't very much to scale. However, if you think you can draw a better one, or that it needs more red, then you are able to edit it.--Limegreen 22:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

message: How is Dunedin pronounced?
Don/Done - eeh/a - din/dun/dean?
An audio file would be nice!
:NZers in general pronounce it done-EEH-din or done-EEH-dun, but locals use two schwas: d'n-EEH-d'n. Grutness...wha? 00:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: A few months back there was a suggestion to split the notable inhabitants section out into a separate article. The section is now getting very big and quite messy, so perhaps the idea should be revisited... Grutness...wha? 00:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's got my vote, looking at the London and New York City (FA) articles for comparison I don't see such a section at all. XLerate 04:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I quite like the list, as long as it's maintained and kept current, but I agree that it is probably big and ugly enough to warrant its own page now. kabl00ey 15:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split out Notable inhabitants? 

message: Surely the albatross colony is on an island? --Pete 12:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn't day that it isn't! What it says is that it's on the mainland, which it is - at the end of Otago Peninsula. It's the only place in the world where there's a Royal Albatross colony on an inhabited landmass - a landmass which is simultaneously an island (the South Island) and the mainland of NZ rather than a smaller offshore island. Grutness...wha? 23:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just nit-pickin' here... 

message: "Modern archaeology favours a date round 1100 AD for the first human (Māori) occupation of New Zealand with population concentrated along the south east coast."
This seems very strange ?   Maori population concentrated along the south east coast ?  Of New Zealand ?  Of the South Island ?    Surely most of the Maori lived in the North Island originally as they do today.   Is the intention to mean,  most of the South Island Maoris lived on the south east coast.   I have no idea.  The meaning is obscure.   Someone more knowledgeable than me should consider revising this sentence.Eregli bob (talk) 10:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've given it a minor tweak which hopefully will clarify things a bit. Grutness...wha? 00:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obscure sentence, is this right 

message: If no one opposes, I'm going to move this into its own new article. Michellecrisp (talk) 02:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea of this was already mentioned further up this page, and there were no objections. Go for it. Grutness...wha? 23:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: someone has put a merge tag on the Notable people from Dunedin article. I disagree, the Dunedin article is already becoming very long. Michellecrisp (talk) 00:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable inhabitants

message: I don't know if this is the right place to put this but: there is a side column at the beginning of the article which says (among other things) "settled by the UK 1848". What is trying to be claimed here? The Otago Association's (Scottish Presbyterian) settlement was started March 23 1848. Permanent European settlement started with the Weller brothers' Otago station in November 1831. 
They were "UK" people - English - so that is a date the place was "settled by the UK". There were earlier European (in fact British) settlers, so what are we talking about anyway? It also says "Incorporated 1855". The Dunedin City Corporation - the first such thing in New Zealand - was incorporated in 1865, not 1855. Perhaps that was a typo but it would be good to correct it.
Peter Entwisle   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Entwisle (talk • contribs) 10:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of settlement

message: I've just created  for use on Dunedinarticles. it's a bit bulky and may need cutting down a bit, but hopefully it'll be useful. Grutness...wha? 00:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My 2c is the presentation looks good, but contents too bulky - compare . I dislike large templates applied to stub articles, New Zealand Transport Agency for example - they overwhelm the article. I can suggest moving the contents to List of Dunedin topics, then trimming the template to half a dozen links. More reader-friendly, and would dovetail well especially with smaller articles. XLerate (talk) 02:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I did mention that it ws bulky :) I based it on the one for Hamilton, which is similarly large. Grutness...wha? 05:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navbox 

message: Hi all - I've just opened a peer review of the article on Caversham - it's nowhere near FA or even GA, but it is around a B and hopefully can be improved by suggestions from the review. If you're interested, check Wikipedia:Peer_review/Caversham,_New_Zealand/archive1. Cheers, Grutness...wha? 01:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review of [[Caversham, New Zealand]] 

message: I've just nominated the Caversham article for FAC, after finally finding a reference I've been searching for for days. Fingers crossed! Grutness...wha? 02:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: ...and FAC

message: this article could definitely do with some mention of the dunedin sound. relatively speaking, a huge amount of bands have come from the region... and yes, i'm perfectly aware that the link i posted fails WP:V  --01:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's there, para starting "During the 1980s the city's popular music scene...", and links to Dunedin Sound. XLerate (talk) 02:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  dunedin sound 

message: Here's a candidate for a different main photo. It's definitely a better perspective than what's currently there, but it's on lean (and rotating it would crop some of the city) and somewhat out of focus. See what you think. Schwede66 20:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main photo 

message: Whats this malarkey about only 4 main Centres ? Census figures show that Dunedin has had fewer people than Hamilton for many years. Dunedin's"growth" has been stationary for decades. Without the itinerant student population Dunedin would be smaller than Tauranga and Rotorua. Hamilton's growth has been steady since the 1960s and now it is almost double the size of Dunedin. The "reference"to" 4 main centres" is more like wishful thinking than a real reference.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.62.226.243 (talk) 04:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  4 main centres error 

message: The pronounced audio does not match the pronunciation guide given.
Most clearly, the middle syllable is pronounced with an "eh" sound (IPA 'e') sound in the given audio rather than a long e or ee sound as given by the IPA letter 'i'.Friecode (talk) 23:36, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation mismatch 

message: I am desperately searching for ... more photos of the Ocean Beach Railway. I would be delighted if someone has some, finds some or takes some. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 15:04, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ocean Beach Railway 

message: It seems to me the city gets short-changed in the article. It is noted many of the nation's biggest businesses began there. It is suggested Dunedin's significance began to fall around the beginning of the 20th century. This is at least 40 years too early and possibly 60 years too early. National headquarters began to move to Wellington around the time of the second world war. Capital did not. In the 1970s and 1980s(?) national headquarters moved on to Auckland. Dunedin based investors and directors still have considerable national influence. Eddaido (talk) 11:29, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Financial Importance

message: Just a suggested new location map. Please remove if you don't like. I can change anything and will be adding Dunedin city limits soon (made for History of Dunedin after History of the Otago Region) Dushan Jugum (talk) 06:01, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Map idea 

message: Regarding the 2021 lead poisoning section in the history, I was wondering if it would be better to create its own article. Something like the 2021 East Otago lead poisoning scare? Let me know what you think. Andykatib 07:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: 2021 lead poisoning

message: Can someone please explain to me why it is so important to preserve the hyphen in "bio[-]technology"?  That's not the standard form of the word, nor common usage, nor the spelling of the linked Wikipedia article, and to be frank, to me it looks jejune and amateurish.  Why has it been restored repeatedly to the point that it's starting to look like an edit war? —VeryRarelyStable 07:46, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the edits  of user Kapil121 and you will understand why this, among approximately 70 other edits, was reverted. (I then inadvertently reverted myself, which again made the piped value the same as the link, at which time you removed the pipe. I then restored the consensus version.)  I have no particular opinion about the hyphen. General Ization Talk   04:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bio-technology"?