Talk:Proclus

message: Can someone explain to me how someone born in 412 AD can die at the age of 73 years in 487 AD? Did the calendar skip a couple of years or something?
Alan U. Kennington (talk) 12:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age and dates of birth/date 

message: Why this article doesn't mention the Chrestomathy? Its authory is disputed, but is an important work attributed to him. --Leonardo T. Oliveira (talk) 19:44, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chrestomathy 

message: Curious details: Why "Constantinopolis" (= Constatinople?). And why "412 AC" ("AC", if anything, means "ante Christum", which makes no sense here)? -S.
:Anno Christi. But it should be fixed. Septentrionalis 14:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange spelling

message: I changed "School of Philosophy" to Academy, but I didn't know what to make of this: "He became headmaster of Athens' School of Philosophy." Is there a less anachronistic way of expressing this? --Wetman 09:55, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't think so. --maru  (talk) Contribs 03:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Septentrionalis 14:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange phrasing 

message: What is the source of the 431 date for his journey from Alexandria to Athens? Nearly every other source (linked in the External links section) simply say he went from A to B when he was a teenager, implying 429 or 430, or give it as 429. --maru  (talk) Contribs 03:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Travel to Athens 

message: It seems that the last external link to  Migne's  PG is a mistake: it shows the collection of the patristic writings of ecclesiatical character by   SAINT PROCLUS THE BISHOP (OF CONSTANTINOPLE), some 40 years senior to Proclus Diadochus,  the "platonic successor".   Perhaps an article could be made about Saint Proclus and the link transferred there.  Actually Migne probably holds some translations of Proclus' work  into LATIN done  early on by William of Moerbecke (Gulielmus (de) MORBEKA) which, however, I was unable to locate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.9.125.136 (talk) 16:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong reference? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Extensive work, that includes adding and editing text, adding subtopics, adding tables, adding images and adding 243 unique and probably over 400 overall citations, has been carried out on the Lead-in, Biography, Influence and Works topics.
I am currently heavily involved in editing and adding text and citations to the Neoplatonic Theology topic.
The following subtopics will need to be added under the topic Neoplatonic Theology before discussing the hypostases: the One, Intellect and Soul:
. Some Basic Principles
. Relations of Causes and Effects
. Cyclic Creativity
. Participation
. Potentiality-Actuality (Dynamis-Energeia)
That basically will follow the structure of the General Introduction of the authoritative modern text: Proclus' Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides, translated by Morrow & Dillon 1992.
Darylprasad (talk) 18:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2021-2022 Update of Proclus Article 

message: Dear All,
I will be reviewing the article in the next few weeks and will probably make minor corrective changes and elucidations where necessary, sometimes by adding relevant quotes. I will only add a new topic to 'Late Athenian Neoplatonic Theology' if it elucidates one that is already there, there will be no new topics on completely different subject matter.
Influence Topic
Because of extent of new scholarship on Proclus' influence in the Middle Ages, e.g. the 2 volumes of Calma 2019-2020 "Reading Proclus and the Book of Causes", I have organized Middle Ages reception of Proclus into Middle Ages Greek Reception, Middle Ages Byzantine Reception, Middle Ages Islamic Reception and Middle Ages Latin Reception.
List of Influence Topic
The table that comprises this topic has been changed to a simple chronological listing. A region-based division of influence is already in the 'Influence' topic. The chronological listing is easier to update and clearly shows Proclus' influence since the 5th century. Also, small descriptions of the influence have been removed from the table as the elaborated descriptions are already in the 'Influence' topic
Regards
Daryl Prasad
Darylprasad (talk) 00:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review 

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Please do not put it back until you have discussed it on this talk page. There are a lot of articles on Wikipedia that this template could be added to but are not because "It is unreasonable to expect a comprehensive article on such subjects to be understandable to all readers."
The scholastic material on this subject requires "much prior knowledge" and so the article tends to reflect this as you can't write what you want because that would be considered 'original research'.
Put simply, you need to have read a lot of text and analysis on Homer, Plato, Plotinus and Greek tragedies before reading Proclus. Similarly you need to know a lot of mathematics before reading a page on differential calculus.
Late Athenian Neoplatonic theology is complex by nature and requires "much prior knowledge". If you have trouble understanding a particular topic, discuss it here and I will endeavour to explain it to you in my own words rather than having to rely on scholastic material.
Again, please discuss the addition of any templates here first and seek approval before simply adding it to the article without discussion.
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Daryl Prasad
Darylprasad (talk) 02:51, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical  

message: Dear All
With respect ot length:
Previously I thought this article needs to be split; however given that the following are longer, I have changed my mind:
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etc...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:LongPages
Proclus is more important in history and philosophy than much of the long articles in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:LongPages.
And so I have changed my thoughts about splitting the article.
Regards
Daryl Prasad
Darylprasad (talk) 03:56, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length 

message: Just a note to say Well Done to the person or persons who edited the 'Further Reading' and 'External Links'. They are comprehensive, different to the citations and very well thought out. I have used some of the references to add new and current information to the body of the text. Thanks heaps, they are fantastic.
Regards
Daryl Prasad
Darylprasad (talk) 12:17, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Reading and External Links 

message: Dear All
I think my work on this article is predominantly finished; however, I will edit the article:
. If new information becomes available;
. if there is a need to fix technical errors and content errors;
. if I find redundant and repetitive citations;
. if I can improve expression;
. if I can find better quality images;
. if I can find, in the case of the map, a more accurate image;
. If I can make the article more aesthetically pleasing.
Thanks for your patience.
Have a lovely day!
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Daryl Prasad
PS: I am currently working on the Neoplatonism Article.
Darylprasad (talk) 03:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Work on this Article is Predominantly Finished 

message: Dear All
I have added a 'Bibliography of Translations' so that ALL sfns link to the relevant translation for easy reference. Still a few to add to this section for Plato, Aristotle and others. 
HOWEVER: All links in 'References and Citations' should now take you to the relevant work.
Regards
Daryl
Darylprasad (talk) 11:17, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography of Translations 

message: Dear All,
The TOC level has been changed to 'TOC limit|4' for the ease of navigation for a reader and for me whilst I am editing the article.
Regards
Daryl
Darylprasad (talk) 17:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOC level 

message: Since I predominantly finished my rewriting of this article on the 8th of April 2022, the page views have gone up from 122/day (7/1/2015 - 4/8/2022) to 155/day (4/8/2022 - 9/17/2022)...a 27% increase in page views per day. So I think that readers like the new longer article and all the citations that make the article more reliable.
Darylprasad (talk) 04:19, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pageviews 

message: Reading through this article, it seems like a lot of the prose is a bit excessive. For example, every philosopher is described as "x-century philosopher" and many sentences are repeated. Concerns have been raised about the length of this article but I'm not actually sure that splitting is the right solution here - I think that the page length can be greatly reduced without actually removing any meaningful content simply by rewriting a lot of the sections to have a more encyclopedic tone.  - car chasm (talk) 16:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues with prose 

message: I'm sorry but after spot-checking a few references, I've reverted this article to a version in last september. While I was initially hesitant to discourage what seemed like a lot of hard work on a topic not well covered by wikipedia, this article contains massive amounts of original research.
 please move your prior contributions to your WP:sandbox to work on them further - adding large amounts of unsourced material or material not supported by secondary, reliable sources to a page is disruptive editing  - car chasm (talk) 16:23, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fundamental problems with article