Talk:Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer

message: Hi - this is a funny choice of article theme.  The term 'Shadow Chancellor' was invented in the 1980s I believe - it was certainly never used by Howe (who was referred to as 'Chief Economic Spokesman').
Also, the list was missing Ken Clarke, who was Shadow Chancellor for a few weeks after the 1997 election - he did actually give a series of Oral Questions to Gordon Brown.
This list will also irritate Lib Dems who call their Shadow Chancellor 'Shadow Chancellor' not unreasonably!
:I researched the list and found the term was in use in the 1950s. The Times of April 8, 1957 made reference to it. I'll add Kenneth Clarke, who was indeed there from May to July 1997. Meanwhile, irritating the Lib Dems is just a happy coincidence. David | Talk 22:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure the list is accurate for 1945-1951 and possible not also for 1951-1955. From memory of reading, the "shadow cabinet" in 1945-1951 was a grouping of senior ex ministers without speciic portfolios but rather speaking on a variety of topics (though inevitably with a bit of specialisation by those who'd held the relevant job in government). Certainly Butler's appointment in 1951 is commented on in biographies as having surprised some, who seemed to expect Oliver Lyttleton, which certainly suggests the idea that Butler was "Chancellor in waiting" wasn't current then. Then I don't think Labour introduced the formal portfolio system until about 1955, although I'm not 100% sure. Timrollpickering 17:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: The date of the Maudling-Heath handover is wrong: Heath was already Shadow Chancellor when he was elected party leader in July 1965. BartBassist (talk) 10:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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message: Is there a source for the date Butler became Shadow Chancellor. I note that 10 December 1950 - the date cited - is the date Oliver Stanley died. Many consider Stanley would have been Chancellor after the next election had he lived, but I am not sure he was formally Shadow Chancellor and he is not in the list, but it seems a bit of a coincidence that this date appears. There was an additional complication at this time in that Sir John Anderson had been the last Chancellor in a Conservative government, but had not stood in the 1950 election as he was an MP for Combined Scottish Universities and the university seats were abolished, and up to that point he was still seen as a likely Chancellor in a future Conservative government. Dunarc (talk) 22:50, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butler date and predecessors 

message: I am not sure that it is correct to say Robert Carr ceased to be Shadow Chancellor on 11 February 1975 and that Geoffrey Howe replaced him on that date. That is the date of the final ballot of the 1975 Conservative Party leadership election, which was won by Margaret Thatcher, but I do not think she appointed her Shadow Cabinet until the following day (I do not have her memoirs to hand to confirm). Certainly the next morning's edition of The Glasgow Herald  indicated that no appointment had been made as Shadow Chancellor and wrongly speculated about Edward du Cann and Keith Joseph as key contenders to be appointed to the office . Thus I would think Howe did not start until 12 February at the earliest. Carr's departure date is more problematic as it could be argued that all office became vacant on Thatcher's election as the new leader. Dunarc (talk) 22:55, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I would note that Margaret Thatcher's own memoirs make clear she did not start appointing the Shadow Cabinet until after she had met with Ted Heath on 12 February and after Carr had said he would only accept the position of Shadow Foreign Secretary. Dunarc (talk) 20:57, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carr- Howe dates