Talk:Sunnydale

message: Since it's not clear that fictional places belong in Wikipedia anyway, I didn't want to clutter the article with more geek data.  But it seemed right to specify what episodes are being used to prove the statements in the main article.  So I'm putting it here.
*  The population is given on the "Welcome to Sunnydale" sign that Spike crashes into (Episode 2.3, School Hard, and again in 3.8, Lover's Walk).
*  The woods are named "Miller's Woods"  (Episode 3.5, Homecoming).  In the two-hour premiere of season six, and when Willow took her revenge on Warren near the end of that season, the woods were large enough to get lost in.
*  The port was shown in season two (when Angel goes there to intercept the Judge's arm), again in season three (when Buffy confronts Faith on the docks), and probably other times as well.
*  The beach was shown in the episode about the swim team (season 2).
*  The ocean cliffs are the location of Willow's terrible spell, on "Kingman's Bluff"  (Episode 6.22, Grave).
*  Giles drove Buffy to the desert in season 5, and drove with the Potentials to the desert in season 7.
*  The airport was shown when Giles flew away in the season 6 opener.  They showed the control tower from Burbank Airport with "Sunnydale" photoshopped over the word Burbank.
Lawrence King 10:32, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supporting data 

message: There is no mention of the 1930’s earthquake which buried a number of building, (the church which held the master, the mission where the chumash vengeance spirit was and the temple on Kingman’s bluff) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.19.35.235 (talk • contribs) 08:01, 22 April 2007)
: I added this to the history.  It turns out that there were at least two earthquakes:  the one that buried the mission was in 1812, the one that buried the temple was "1932" and the one that buried the Master was "1937".  I left open the possibility that the '32 and '37 quakes were the same and someone got the date wrong.  (Logically this would be Anya, who was speaking off-the-cuff, and not Willow, who had just done research, but I think asserting this would count as speculation. — Lawrence King (talk) 21:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earthquake 

message: * "Sunnydale was made unholy ground by Wolfram & Hart, by a villain who would later appear in Angel's season 5."
:Cannot locate a reference to this statement in any episode of Angel in Season Five. Author might of confused it with the deconsecration of the Wolfram and Hart building outlined in Hell Bound. This is an extract from the Wolfram and Hart Wikipage.
:"The Los Angeles branch was founded in 1791 over holy ground deconsecrated by the blood of murderer Mathias Pavayne who was able to survive as a spirit in the building for over 200 years." Chanlord 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors 

message: The article on Sunnyvale, California says that Sunnydale is based on Sunnyvale. Does this sound plausible? Andjam 09:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no direct connection, but a fake website created by Rebecca Rand Kirshner used the zip code of Sunnyvale.  I've updated the Sunnydale, Sunnyvale, California, and the Cassie Newton pages to reflect this. Lawrence King 14:28, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Based on Sunnyvale? 

message: I think this section needs a little rewriting. At the moment, it looks too much like another article that got merged in (which is what I presume happened). For instance, given that it's in the Sunnydale article, it's not really necessary to explain what it gets its name from. 67.10.175.242 04:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was recently removed as unsupported. —Tamfang (talk) 05:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  It might be nice if references to it elsewhere, e.g. Whoniverse were also removed. Before someone tells me to be bold and do it myself, I'm not a concerned wikipedian, just a confused reader.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.144.173 (talk) 09:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The references to that subsection are still around and that's definitely confusing. Also the examples given indicate that this fictional phenomenom is observed in quite a few shows so maybe it should be featured in its own entry. 87.122.45.90 (talk) 23:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A reference to it exists in the Torchwood Weevels article 24.188.207.20 (talk) 20:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Weevil (Torchwood)?  I don't see it. –?– —Tamfang (talk) 17:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's in the sentence "features call-ins from Cardiff locals who have begun to notice the existence of the Weevils." 129.15.127.253 (talk) 15:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sunnydale Syndrome 

message: I suggest this merge would be a bad idea.
First, if we consider how Wikipedia treats real locations, a house in a city and the city itself are never merged as articles.  Buckingham Palace should not be merged with London.
Second, if we consider their role within the Buffy mythos, they are very different things.  Sunnydale is a city with a long history, which pre-dates Buffy Summers by a long time.  In the history of Sunnydale, for example, Richard Wilkins is a much more important figure than Buffy Summers.
Third, if you want to merge Sunnydale with Buffy's residence just because it's in that city, then does that mean you would also merge Sunnydale with The Bronze, Hellmouth (Buffyverse), The Magic Box, Sunnydale High, and Sunnydale High School library?  All of these are in Sunnydale as well.
Now, there is a viewpoint that Wikipedia shouldn't be full of articles about individual persons, places, and things found in works of fiction.  At this point, I consider that viewpoint effectively dead:  it's too late to impose that, even if we wanted to.  So all the information in all these Sunnydale-related articles belongs in Wikipedia.  And I believe they therefore should follow standard Wikipedia policy on locations, which is that a building important enough to have an article is not merged with the city it's in. - Lawrence King 01:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree with Lawrence King that this proposed merge is a bad idea. There is also so much specific, and for me interesting, information about Buffy's home on the Buffy's residence page that I feel this Sunnydale page would become bloated if a merge occurred.CMLB 23:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with "Buffy's residence" 

message: At the end of the truck-and-police-car chase in Two To Go (6.21), the lights from some tall office buildings are visible in the background.  These appear to be at least ten stories tall. 
(These are visible from 12:01 to 12:39 on the Region 1 (American) DVDs.  (The UK and Australia/New Zealand DVDs have the scenes from previous episodes at the beginning but run 4% faster, so their clocks are different than the Region 1 DVDs.)
I'm wondering if these office buildings should be mentioned.  We have never seen any buildings of this size in Sunnydale.  My personal opinion is that these were visible by accident (because of course the show is filmed in Los Angeles), so these are not "canon" even though they are visible in the show. — Lawrence King (talk) 06:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How tall is the CRD building in I Robot You Jane?  —Tamfang 04:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: There's also an establishing shot of a tall hospital, i guess in "Graduation Day". —Tamfang (talk) 20:32, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Office buildings in 6.21 

message: Did you ever wonder why Sunnydale didn't have the best, & biggest, CSI unit in the U.S.? (Thanks to Tanya Huff for making me think of it.)  Trekphiler (talk) 08:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Mayor would block it.  —Tamfang (talk) 08:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[CSI franchise|"CSI:Hellmouth"]]

message: I'm undoing this recent addition:
: The political offices are shown as corrupt and the Police are highly incompotent.
Political corruption is implied elsewhere in the article.  What we see of the police suggests that they're as professional as any, but out of their depth, and (probably) deliberately kept ignorant, with respect to the Hellmouth.  —Tamfang (talk) 08:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A police chief appears at the end of "School Hard".  Spike rescues Buffy from arrest in "Becoming". —Tamfang (talk) 23:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: corruption and incompotence

message: The first line of this section reads as:
"Sunnydale's size and surroundings are implausible but justified given its origins - to sustain a human population for supernatural evils to prey upon."
I don't think the "implausible" needs to be there. I live in a city roughly equivalent (Quincy, IL), population about 40,000 and the only things we don't have that Sunnydale has are the military base and a port. The port is easy to write off as we're not a coastal town, and the military bases are frequently arbitrary in placement. With 40,000 people, we have 2 high schools, a liberal arts university, and nearly 1,000 acres of parks. There's also a small castle, much as Sunnydale has (Season 5, Episode 1).
Anyway, I just think that portion is inaccurate and should be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.23.115.217 (talk) 04:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environs section - strike the first line? 

message: Is it part of canon that evil simply works better in Sunnydale? What about the bit where demons come because the Hellmouth makes them feel awesome? If confirmed, these things should be mentioned in the article. Lots42 (talk) 13:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evil working better?  

message: Just noting here that I did a wholesale deletion of the section headed "The Sunnydale Effect," because it was very clearly original research that cited zero sources and was well outside of scope for Wikipedia (and all these things tied together enough that I didn't think there was any way to salvage it). Obviously, feel free to revert or edit further if you find a better solution! Aerothorn (talk) 02:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted "The Sunnydale Effect" 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Sunnydale Syndrome. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 25#Sunnydale Syndrome until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Thryduulf (talk) 20:08, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sunnydale Syndrome" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]