Talk:South Asian pickle

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First section
Almost all sorts of fruits vegetables found in south Asia are pickled in this manner, including pumpkins, palm hearts, lotus stems, mango slices, limes and rose petals, along with vegetables more conventionally pickled in the west.
Fruits and vegetables used section
Almost all sorts of fruits vegetables found in South Asia are pickled in this manner, including pumpkins, heart of palm, mango slices, and rose petals, along with vegetables more conventionally pickled in the west
--91.107.86.50 (talk) 19:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed; the whole article includes far too much repetition. --SameerKhan (talk) 09:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repetition 

message: Proposal:  merge Achar into Indian Pickle.  These are the same food.  Badagnani 07:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I have inserted :Image:Indian pickles and cutney.jpg in response to a picture request. If the presence of the sweet mango chutney is inappropriate to this page you may wish to consider replacing it with :Image:Lime pickle.jpg or :Image:Hot mango pickle.jpg. LittlePete 18:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs 

message: That cuisine template is gigantic, it dwarfs the content of the article, isn' there a way to make that thing smaller somehow?--Christopher Tanner, CCC 03:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuisine Template

message: The image used with this article clearly advertises a brand. It's not fare for Wikipedia articles unless the page is about the brand itself. Why to give free adds?Manjithkaini 06:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Benjamins Pickle? 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 18:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: this is describing the same thing, and this title is more appropriate for an English wiki.FiveRings (talk) 02:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Mixed pickle]] into this article 

message: What is the fruit used to make a North Indian pickle made from a hard, green fruit with tan seeds that look a bit like large lemon seeds? It's not lemon or mango. Badagnani (talk) 21:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this pickle? 

message: Need to determine what species the Indian vegetable tenti dela (used in Indian pickles) is. Badagnani (talk) 22:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tenti dela]] pickle (टेंटी का अचार)

message: I have noticed that the article uses the word flavor (American spelling). Commonwealth spelling is the most widely used variety of English in India. As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Strong national ties to a topic, I propose the spelling to be changed to flavour. Please state if you support or oppose. Joshua Issac (talk) 12:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: It's lactofermentation, but what is the % in alcohol?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:4C9C:FA0:474F:52B1 (talk) 12:03, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: a) it's not lactofermentation, and b) there is no alcohol produced in lactofermentation. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 14:15, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcohol 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:28, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: South Asian pickles →  – Wouldn't it be simpler? --Comedora (talk) 04:55, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hindi, Nepali, Malayalam, Urdu, Punjab, Sindhi, and numerous others. Search अचार for Hindi and Nepali, അച്ചാർ for Malayalam, and اچار for Urdu, Punjab, and Sindhi. --Comedora (talk) 13:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
* I asked for the page to be put back at South Asian pickles.  I still oppose moving to "achar" as that is a Hindi word not used in English sources.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:57, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

text: South Asia is broad term which includes other countries not in the Indian subcontinent while this page is specifically about pickles made on the subcontinent. None of the current references refer to the pickles as such (they are listed as "Indian" or "desi" pickles) nor have I seen the current title used elsewhere. A better title is needed here (achar is definitely there in the English lexicon [1], [2], [3]). Gotitbro (talk) 10:38, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gotitbro, OK, but can you verify?  These pickles are not found in Sri Lanka or Bangladesh?  This was a while ago, but I did some extensive searching.  Achar is barely present at all in English, and South Asian is a slightly odd term, how it excludes Indonesia for example.  Usage of “South Asian pickles” in English is very strong, can you give an explanation for why the internet is so one sided on that.  Dictionary sources for words are not considered good sources for usage, becuase dictionaries take pride in collecting the all of the most unusual usages.  And more importantly, given the previous failure to rename through RM, a bold move is not ok. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:04, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just pointing out that achar is used in English sources [re:""achar" as that is a Hindi word not used in English sources"]. South Asia is not a correct term here, neither have I seen it used in other sources nor does the article include other SA countries BT, AF, MV (and BD, SL currently). A better title is needed here not specifically "achar". (Why would South Asian include Indonesia it refers to South Asia not South-east Asia.) Gotitbro (talk) 11:30, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 20 May 2018 

message: This title South Asian pickles is very clunky and it seems like it is clearly not the most common name. I think it clearly violates WP:COMMONNAME, after reading this wiki guide. I looked at google books, and the name South Asian pickles does not even register much, in comparison to Indian pickles or achaar. Can we agree Pickle (Indian subcontinent), Indian pickles or achaar fits with WP:COMMONNAME? Personally, I love achaar, since it is most common name, and WP:COMMONNAME will attest to it. Also, there are other articles like Acar or Atchara which exists. , ,  and others, what do you guys think? We really need to fix this article. Again, I want to have a respectful discussion and get the article and the title fixed up. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 15:29, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Highpeaks, I suggest you drop the stick and move on. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:49, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  , I am trying to improve the article, not trying to vandalize it. Is there a wiki committee that can look into this?  I just want an outcome where the title of this article is given a good look by a neutral party. This title is not acceptable. Even those advocating it are not gung-ho about it. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 15:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have solved your problem. Now go ahead and improve the article. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:06, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  , I am speaking about the title. Not just the lead. Article comes later. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 16:19, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

text: , you are clearly being dishonest. I never used “Indian subcontinental pickle”, just “Pickles (Indian subcontinent)”. Huge difference. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

text: , to answer your question, the main thing that makes achaar different than any other pickles is the spices local to the Indian subcontinent, not Afghanistan (even Iran or Tibet).  Which South Asia covers, in some cases. Spices is the main difference in this pickle, and Indian subcontinent covers those spices. (Again, I appreciate you working on this with me.) (Highpeaks35 (talk) 17:37, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is true, you should be able to use reliable sources to improve the article to the point where it clearly demonstrates this difference between pickle in Afghanistan and in the subcontinent. Do that, and you will have a semi-legitimate argument for redefining the scope of this article. I'm not supporting any such rename before that. Vanamonde (talk) 18:28, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , that is fine. I will expand this article using sources related to the Indian subcontinent, not Afghanistan. Give me a month or so. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 18:41, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

text:  When there is a dispute, the page should remain at WP:STATUSQUO. Please read the policy set forth on WP:STATUSQUO. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 19:33, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  , I have changed the lead sentence as per WP:BOLDAVOID, which should have been done a long time ago. I don't see why you reverted it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:26, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , that lead was the last version before the dispute. And your version is inaccurate; example: Nepal, Sri Lanka, Maldives, and Nepali speaking Bhutanese nationals also eat achaar frequently in the Indian subcontinent. This lead is fine, let me work on this for the next month, unless you want to improve and expand this article yourself. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 22:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , I am sick of your dishonesty. Did I add this or this lead in the article? These are diffs and people can see it in history. There needs to be sanctions in Wiki for people like you who are dishonest and show racist-Eurocentric POV. And then go on personal attacks against fellow editors. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 22:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: But, , you, and only you, put that collocation back in the article, see here, again.  You cannot decide yourself that an edit made in November is part of a dispute, especially not when your edit summary opaquely says, "maybe a misunderstanding in talk."  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:11, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

text: , Again, read WP:STATUSQUO. It was written by someone not involved in this thread. K3, you and I are not WP:STATUSQUO. As the 3 of us are in dispute, in this thread. That version has South Asian pickle, which I don’t agree with or the removal of Desi pickle, which I don’t agree, but put it since it was done by a non-involved party. Your racist-Eurocentric POV is not acceptable, false allegations, and personal attacks as well. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 01:30, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

text: Also, , I expect an apology from you for your statement above. Stating I wrote the current lead, which I did not. You should apologize for your dishonesty and false attack. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 01:33, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , don't deflect. You clearly stated that the lead was my doing, and the diffs proved otherwise. Now you are trying to deflect from your dishonesty. I will highly recommend you apologize for your dishonest, unprofessionalism and personal attacks. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 03:09, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

text: This talk page exists for the sole purpose of bringing improvements to the content of the page.  Please pursue your allegations about my behavior at the Wikipedia forum of your choosing.  Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:42, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , That notification was given on a false allegation. As can be withnessed by your apology here. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 14:06, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

text: I don't agree to changing it to "Achar" as it is common only in North Indian languages. In Tamil and Telegu, it is called oorugai, and is called uppinkai in Kannada. I don't know about Tulu and North-Eastern cuisines though. But what I can say is that it is commonly understood as pickles in English. However, in English speaking world, pickles is understood as vegetables preserved in brine or vinegar without a thick spiced up gravy. So, I believe the current name as South Asian pickles is good enough. An alternate could be Indian pickle or pickles (Indian cuisine) rams81 (talk) 21:02, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:COMMONNAME]] 

message: The authentic Gundruk pickel is available in Nepal is also originated from Nepal and is eaten widely. 
It is made up of dry spinach, veg leaves etc added with tasty peppers, salts, oil and special akabare khursani chilly Prashantsubedii (talk) 13:31, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Gundruk Pickel]] 

message: I propose to merge Avakaya into South Asian pickle (this article). I think that the content in the Avakaya article can easily be explained in the context of South Asian pickle, especially considering it is merely a specific type of South Asian pickle (mango pickle) whose name is merely in the Telugu language. Seeing as there's no reason we should be having a different article for each of the types of pickles each enumerated in the various languages of India, I think this merger makes sense. As for size, the Avakaya article is quite short, and this article could use the increase in detail / specifics that would be gained from merging that article. Getsnoopy (talk) 05:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that Mango pickle is a more specific and hence better target. Klbrain (talk) 10:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal of [[Avakaya]] into this article 

message: Hi,
It makes no sense that this would historically not be fermented, and many sources refer to it as such:
According to Collingham, as the British established dominion over India, among the many Indian culinary features that cooks back in Old Blighty eagerly adopted was that of Indian pickles. “Indians very rarely used vinegar, and their pickles were made by layering vegetables or fruits in jars with oil or water. The mixture was flavoured with salt and spices and the jars were set in the hot sun where they were left to ferment. Lacking the intense heat of the Indian sun, British cooks resorted to vinegar to carry out the pickling process. Godal (talk) 09:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fermented 

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