Talk:Yellow-faced parrot

message: The name of this parrot is Yellow-faced Parrot or Ribeiro Parrot - not Yellow-faced AMAZON![[[Special:Contributions/84.161.180.88|84.161.180.88]] (talk) 13:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The commonly used names are often used. The other names are in the text and the appropriate redirects go here. The references indicate that the name is still Amazon. Have you got good references to support an name change. Should the page name be changed? Snowman (talk) 11:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  As perhaps evident, I recently modified the article, among others listing the name Yellow-faced Parrot as the primary name, not the secondary. However, even if the old name, Amazon, is misleading, it is still in use, and should therefore also be included in the article. Compare Kaempfer's/Caatinga Woodpecker. Rabo3 (talk) 16:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But the reference for the first paragraph indicates the name is Amazon. An edit summary from May 2007 on the Yellow-faced Parrot redirect page reports that official common name as per IOC. A request for a change of page name is bound to need references. Snowman (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to propose a page move (references for arguments for this can already be found in the article; cf. taxonomy. Additional arguments being Clements, Howard & Moore and Sibley & Monroe), you should feel entirely free to do so. As I am still at a 'wiki level' where going through the whole process of proposing moves takes some time (adding correct templates, comments the places where needed, etc), I simply considered it sufficient to write it correctly in the intro. Rabo3 (talk) 20:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Page name

message: This article has been renamed from Yellow-faced Amazon to Yellow-faced Parrot as the result of a move request.
 - move in line with new evidence to avoid possible confusion. Keith D (talk) 00:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As you have done the hard work of requesting the move, it is only fair I add a few arguments. This species has two widely used common names: Yellow-faced Amazon as used by HBW, Gill & Wright's Birds of the World: Recommended English Names, and Juniper & Parr's A Guide to the Parrots of the World. The other name, Yellow-faced Parrot, is used by the South American Classification Committee (link), the Brazilian Ornithological Records Commitee (link), the Clements check-list, the Howard and Moore check-list, and the Sibley & Monroe check-list. Until recently, this species was believed to be a member of the genus Amazona (a genus where the members commonly are known as Amazons). However, as noted in the article itself, this species is now known to belong in an entirely different group, and in fact not even be closely related to the parrots in the genus Amazona. Hence, I would support the move to Yellow-faced Parrot, as Yellow-faced Amazon is misleading. It is also of note that only one of the 'Amazon-supporting' authorities mentioned earlier, Gill & Wright, has been published after the true taxonomical position of this species became known (i.e. we can only speculate what name HBW and Juniper & Parr would have used, had they known the true taxonomic position of this species). Rabo3 (talk) 21:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move