Talk:Industrial and Commercial Bank of China

message: === use of relbank as a source (trace of source) ===
https://www.relbanks.com/worlds-top-banks/assets is used as source referent 9, 16 ,both within the introduction
http://websites.milonic.com/relbanks.com - "..This website has a positive reputation and thus it’s safe for browsing.."  "Owned by: Lyubomir Dachev (GW Solutions LTD)" 
https://www.whois.com/whois/relbanks.com ("Registrant Contact" is an exact match to websites.milonic.com) "Street: Asen Zlatarov 16 City: Plovdiv"
https://www.sortcodes.co.uk/about "A software company based in Bulgaria, GW Solutions has specialized in payment automation software development." associate to "VerIBAN LTD, 9 Harcourt Close, Isleworth, Middlesex England, TW7 6DD" 
https://uk.globaldatabase.com/company/veriban-ltd SIC "Classification: Retail sale via mail order houses or via Internet (47910)" is an exact match to address "www.sortcodes.co.uk"
@ https://www.sortcodes.co.uk/about is 1st Software development, 2nd with regards to payment automation 
is not a reliable source, c.f. https://accuity.com/our-history/?intcmp=full-footer-our-history "Accuity has been providing solutions to banks and businesses worldwide since it was founded in 1836...The premier source for intelligence on financial institutions Bankers Almanac was established in 1845 as a leading provider of reference data on the banking industry.."
c.f "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy..." @ Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Overview
Diametakomisi (talk) 18:12, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: 09-February-2020

message: https://www.relbanks.com/worlds-top-banks/assets is used as source referent 9, 16 ,both within the introduction
http://websites.milonic.com/relbanks.com - "..This website has a positive reputation and thus it’s safe for browsing.."  "Owned by: Lyubomir Dachev (GW Solutions LTD)" 
https://www.whois.com/whois/relbanks.com ("Registrant Contact" is an exact match to websites.milonic.com) "Street: Asen Zlatarov 16 City: Plovdiv"
https://www.sortcodes.co.uk/about "A software company based in Bulgaria, GW Solutions has specialized in payment automation software development." associate to "VerIBAN LTD, 9 Harcourt Close, Isleworth, Middlesex England, TW7 6DD" 
https://uk.globaldatabase.com/company/veriban-ltd SIC "Classification: Retail sale via mail order houses or via Internet (47910)" is an exact match to address "www.sortcodes.co.uk"
@ https://www.sortcodes.co.uk/about is 1st Software development, 2nd with regards to payment automation 
is not a reliable source, c.f. https://accuity.com/our-history/?intcmp=full-footer-our-history "Accuity has been providing solutions to banks and businesses worldwide since it was founded in 1836...The premier source for intelligence on financial institutions Bankers Almanac was established in 1845 as a leading provider of reference data on the banking industry.."
c.f "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy..." @ Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Overview
Diametakomisi (talk) 18:12, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  use of relbank as a source (trace of source) 

message: copy of sources removed from the introduction 
 - source is closed to viewing except for subscription (necessitating payment to view), the source shows a graphic  supporting the associated content in wikipedia, but does not show an identifiable name to confirm the bank to the naive reader
 - link directs to The Banker Mandarin language, no translation function available at the time of viewing
Diametakomisi (talk) 18:43, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  change of introduction c.f. conclusion to "use of relbank as a source (trace of source)"

message: α "deposits, loans, number of customers and number of employees" is copy of the attached wikipedia-content to source: relbanks, content source-wikipedia is a semantic exact match (re-worded)
β source: relbanks shows figures only for "assets" 
γ "the first of any Chinese bank to have achieved this" is not possible to confirm is true, at least because the sources; Economist - referent 11, The Banker - referent 12, < both not possible to verify,   "..closely watched annual report by The Banker is based on a firm's Tier 1 capital,..." = BBC - referent 10, does concur to content associated intra-wikipedia (as shown in this section @ "α")
====moved content (is a repetion, only, of preceding content) is not true, vague "generally considered" pertains to the year (sourced as) 2013, content is actually not true of source (referent 14)====
moved content:
ICBC is generally considered the largest public company in the world by assets alone.
sources:
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source ε (referent 14):  Scott DeCarlo 4 18 2012 https://www.webcitation.org/6D733FWby?url=http://www.forbes.com/global2000/ directs to list shows ICBC ranked 5th not 1st
source δ (referent 13) https://web.archive.org/web/20130419151106/http://www.forbes.com/companies/icbc/ is "As of May 2013 ", the rank 1st is "Forbes Lists #1 Global 2000 #26 in Sales #4 in Profit #2 in Assets #9 in Market value"
Diametakomisi (talk) 19:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Report

message: moved content:
ICBC is generally considered the largest public company in the world by assets alone.
sources:
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ε 
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source ε (referent 14):  Scott DeCarlo 4 18 2012 https://www.webcitation.org/6D733FWby?url=http://www.forbes.com/global2000/ directs to list shows ICBC ranked 5th not 1st
source δ (referent 13) https://web.archive.org/web/20130419151106/http://www.forbes.com/companies/icbc/ is "As of May 2013 ", the rank 1st is "Forbes Lists #1 Global 2000 #26 in Sales #4 in Profit #2 in Assets #9 in Market value"
Diametakomisi (talk) 19:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: moved content (is a repetion, only, of preceding content) is not true, vague "generally considered" pertains to the year (sourced as) 2013, content is actually not true of source (referent 14)

message: the company is one of China's "Big Four" state-owned commercial banks (the others being Bank of China, Agricultural Bank of China, and China Construction Bank). 
Diametakomisi (talk) 20:07, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: removed because no source attached