Talk:John Cena/Archive 2

message: I like to be with my wife
Can a lock be put up, and then can it be removed after this Sunday? 69.181.81.102 03:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and got this done because I'm tired of the nonsense that keeps getting added. At least nonsense will require a wikipedia account now /shrug --Naha|(talk) 09:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requesting Lock on Article

message: I, by far, am not Cena's number one fan, but we need a better picture than the one that is up there. COME ON.
JAY HARPER 21:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The five pictures throughout the article are fine. Bdve 22:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Speaking of images, I moved the title belt images down to the section on title belts. Personally I think they look better and make more sense there, but someone keeps moving them back. Anyone else have an opinion on it. - Bdve 14:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: '''PICTURE'''

message: I think Cena's Six Moves of Doom should be like this: 
1. Multiple clotheslines or diving shoulder block
2. Sit-out hip toss
3. Spin-out powerbomb
4. Five Knuckle Shuffle
5. F-U
6. STF-U
Why does Cena alone amongst wrestlers, get his moveset named? The vast majority of Pro Wrestlers have a list moves they do like that. Does anyone think this is really necessary, and if so, why? 
BoosterBronze 16:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Six Moves of Doom: incorrect? 

message: If you are going to discuss the fan backlash it should be added that their are fans who don't like him because they think he is not a skilled wrestler. I don't care about his charecter or how he is in the media all I care about is the fact that he is limited in the ring but that is left out of this biased bio. --Stupify 07:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cena was known as a competent wrestler with substantial charisma before he sunk so deeply into his current gimmick. Fans who've kept up with him aren't angry because he's an incompetent wrestler but because he's placed these limits on himself and changed his wrestling style quite drastically. --Antrophica 08:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Neither of you can speak for everyone who dislikes him, no one can. Its absurd to think otherwise. Although, Antrophica's statements seem to be closer to the opinions I typically hear. --Naha|(talk) 18:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I've said my piece about Cena, which I believe to adhere to the consensus, especially IWC columnists. Let's not let this degenerate into a debate about personal beliefs. --Antrophica 18:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe something needs to be added with the theories as to why he's no longer as popular such as the simple: been champion too long, to the ridiculous: he's too "beautiful" as reported on lordsofpain.net
Do you even know about Cena?Everybody likes him,he's the WWE Champion,he looks cool,and he is a professional skilled wrestler.Noone like people who hates Cena.Noone can rip apart Cena you idiots who hate Cena.
.P.S.Noone like you Fr3nZi3.
user:dark-hooded smoker
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The size of the Fan Backlash section has grown to beyond what I would consider an acceptable percentage of the entire article. Its just out of proportion. It needs to be a general overview of the situation, not "on this date in this city they liked him" and a few days later "in this city they didn't like him" kind of thing. Its a bit rediculous. I will leave it to someone else to size down, as my edits in this area tend to be reverted repeatedly. --Naha|(talk) 04:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I was planning on taking care of it, but it'll have to wait a few weeks before I do anything more to the John Cena article other than revert vandalism. I burned myself out rewriting the Elisha Cuthbert and Christian Bale articles, so you'll have to handle it this time round. --Antrophica 08:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cut it back some. Feel free to redo parts, as you are a much better writer than me. --Naha|(talk) 02:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now you're being too kind. --Antrophica 03:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like someone took it off but I think it should stay off since just about every wrestler gets backlashed.
Yes almost every wrestler gets backlashed, but this is something that could ruin Cena's career if it keeps up. He is dangerously close to getting X-Pac Heat or worse, Dead Heat. I say keep the section. This is something close to what happened in the early career of The Rock. He started out as Rocky Miavia, and couldnt connect to the fans. John needs to go back to the cocky freestyling rapper that gained him success or get a new gimmick like the Rock did.
User:Killswitch Engage
If Fan Backlash has to stay atleast summirize it so not 3 paragraphs atleast.
BionicWilliam 01:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: no,he lost against rvd cuz edge intefered in the ecw rules.he defeated triple h and edge.if it was wwe rules,he would beat rvd with an fu or stfu.rvd was just about to tap out wen he got stfued,then edge interfered.i hate edge,he's my least favourite wrestler and i hate him da most.user:dark-hooded smoker
I also think the WWE is missing part of the reason why, many wrestlers with MUSIC oriented gimmicks fail. The Honky Tonk man was originally a fan favorite and got the same reaction. Why because fans knew he was a fraud. Music fans are passionate. When they tried to push the Rappers against the West Texas Rednecks ... fans cheered the REDNECKS and booed the rappers. The fan base is not the same.
Do you know anything about Cena?He defeated Triple H in WrestleMania 22 with the skilled STFU.And also,rap is the best.Everybody likes John Cena,and he's my favourite wrestler.
LOL he is a joke and his lame rap lyrics reveal him. He is just another guy who went to wrestling school. He has little natural athletic ability and does not looke fluid. The shameful part is Vince's ego won't let him walk away from this failed experiement. Trust me in 10 years the WWE will regret CENA much like they regret the Warrior. He is a FAILED champion.
no,he is the best champ.evrybody likes him,the stfu is the deadly submission,it forces billions of people to tap out.
ps.noone likes u hu was just talking top of this reply.
user:dark-hooded smoker
I am changing the name of 'Fan Reaction' back to 'Fan Backlash' as the whole purpose of that section is to suggest that Cena, as a face, was not supposed to garner such ambivalence from the audience. Otherwise, there would be 'Fan Reactions' on other wrestlers' biographies. Also the 'Fan Backlash' section needs to be reasons for the dissent with examples not a progression of the descent which is already present in his career section.--Jack of Blades 17:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan Backlash 

message: His Myspace page was removed because reports say that it was either hacked and removed or just plain removed by the people who were running it. A kid immediately took up the name so that it would not be a page for IWC members to turn it into a bash-fest against Cena. The page on Myspace now is ran by the kid, not WWE.
The kid said that he'll hand over the page to WWE if and when they want it back. Blacklist 22:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Deal with John Cena's Myspace

message: Maybe it's time to protect the article again. Vandalism goes on numerous times a day, and it's only getting worse. --Antrophica 20:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Please see the conversation on the top of this talk page and feel free to chime in there; I would like to keep Freak and Splash informed if possible. Maybe with your support and comments they will reconsider. --Naha|(talk) 21:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. The IWC/"Haters" will only continue to vandalize the page until Cena loses the title. --Blacklist 00:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Bad edits, vandalism, and constant nonsense added to this and other wrestling articles are not the fault of any one particular type of fan, rather they are widespread. --Naha|(talk) 05:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New protection 

message: If you're going to consistently blank out a portion of the article, at least take it upon yourself to give an explanation. --Antrophica 09:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't Snitsky's fault. ;-D DGX 01:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Says you. He did it again. Someone should leave him a note on his talk page. Blacklist 05:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, my above statement was a joke. I was refering to Gene Snitsky's real life quote "It wasn't my fault". But regardless, I left him a note on his talk page. DGX 22:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User_talk:Gene_Snitsky|User:Gene_Snitsky]] 

message: Should we include the brief teaming with Bull Buchanan (used as an enforcer) from 2002?
ViperBite 21:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we ought to. It wasn't that brief. A couple of months, at least. --Antrophica 22:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-2/B<sup>2</sup> 

message: Does anyone else but me think that the John Cena Cheers are fake at least on the entrance, I hear the same girl screem in the background the same way everytime he comes out and when he wins the match.
:All girl's screams are kinda the same. And I doubt the WWE picked up WCW's sound juicing talents when they bought them. Blacklist 23:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? I'd like to see some proof. Blacklist 03:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake Cheers 

message: we need to shorten the article,what should we cut out?Typoqueen 00:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WAAAY TO LONG

message: Hi, I am mediating the John Cena dispute.  Please feel free to participate in the mediation, and I encourage you to do so. Thanks - BrownHornet21 02:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: John Cena Mediation

message: I see the article was locked once before, but can we go ahead and re-lock it? It seems like every 10 minutes some anon user is inserting some nonsense which another anon user removes and adds their own until someone else reverts it all back to normal. Bdve 06:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And this can only be done if unregistered users grow up and stop vandalizing. Blacklist 07:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-Lock?

message: In the section where it talks about the creation or what have you of the Chain Gang Symbol, should it not be mentioned that the symbol is at least HEAVILY stolen from the G-Unit symbol?  Just curious - Hypnotized
:done - Bdve 12:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chain Gang Symbol 

message: A singer called kabal did his own version of the time is now called your time is up. go to www.myspace.com/kabal to hear his song and go to his blog to see what he had to say about John Cena.
:Yeah. Not notable. Just more anti-Cena stuff. Blacklist 18:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever this "Kabal" is he doesn't seem notable enough for an article. - Bdve 18:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kabal 

message: Is it worth noting that F-U stands for according to Cena: "F**k you" and STF-U stands for "Shut The F**k Up"?? --Fr3nZi3 18:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not. Though I don't think it's ever been said on WWE TV. Bdve 19:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These were discussed before, but were removed because it's pointless, really. Plus yeah, the general rule is that if it's not talked about on TV, then it doesn't go in unless it's got written proof somewhere. Blacklist 07:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: When? Blacklist 03:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: F-U and STF-U

message: Here's what I think, Wikipedia is an encylopedia. Encylopedias are used to give a generality in an UN-BIAS sence. Stuff on "WWE.com" is kayfabe or all scripted. There are some people out there that still think wrestling is real. I for one, know that is it nothing but a male soap-opera. Half of the time I laugh at what they do on-screen because it's not true. We can have a kayfade section on the article whick refers to "WWE.com" but seperate the storylines from the actuallity.
a few things.first,please sign your comments  with four tildes.on talk pages.it is basic wikipedia ettiquite.second,how is wrestling a 'male' 'soap' 'opera' when:women watch and do it,it has nothing to do with soap,and they dont sing opera?third,wrestlingf might not be 'real' but its not 'fake'.pre-determined would be a more correct term,as the thumbtacks & things they user ARE real and fake is an unfaur word as it un-glorifies it.fourth,sometimes the kayfabe/fiction is important to the article.this is the case with this article.SNAPE KILLS A FLY HAHAHAH PWNED! 05:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reality VS Kayfabe 

message: I saw the funniest thing @ SNME when Edge and Cena were exchanging blows, each time Cena would punch the fans would shout "BOOO!" and point their thumbs downward, while when Edge hit the fans scream "YRREEAGHHH" and give him a thumbs up. You could clearly see an over-enthusiatic guy in the middle of the crowd doing this thing and I laughed when I saw that. Have a nice night Abu!
:This isn't a forum. This is for discussion about the article. Although, this could be mentioned in the Fan Backlash section. Blacklist 02:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is too big, and it needs shortening. So, we're keeping the 2006 updates down to only title matches/changes. Blacklist 06:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SNME 

message: The fan backlash section should be merged into the career section - it's getting a little large and needs more context. --Jtalledo (talk) 20:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are enough fan sites already listed, fan or anti-fan. Wikipedia is not a link repository. Blacklist 06:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge "Fan backlash" section 

message: some facts are to pro cena, and i say that because it is not fact. John Cena was cheered at ONS?
Edge was booed at NYR??? I saw the match on vidilife.com and the fans were NOT booing Edge. Have a nice night Abu!
Fans cheer Edge wherever he goes. People just like him. Just like people like John Cena.
--Mikedk9109 14:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  too pro cena 

message: He should have discography headline in this article and music career because didn't his albums sold 500,000 copies and made about 40,000 in the first week and he was featured on mtv.com with method man and also featured on bet(black entertainment television) 106 and park  twice once with booker t and by himself to promote his album and which also freestyled on there too so he should have a bigger music headline with discography.
:One album is not enough for a Discography section.Bdve 17:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John cena Music career 

message: Who would win in these matches? John Cena vs Jeff Hardy; John Cena vs HBK; John Cena vs Brock Lesnar.
This isn't a forum 17:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fight!!! 

message: I haven't read most of this article, I've only seen a very small amount of it; but I saw two hidden comments next to each other; and they both contradict each other.  The sections I'm concerned about are emboldened.
*Please do not re-add the "Fan backlash" or "Fan reaction" section. It has been incorporated into the body of the article.
*DO NOT ADD WEEK BY WEEK EVENTS, RUMOURS OR SPECULATION. THIS INCLUDES ANNOUNCED MATCHES THAT HAVE NOT YET OCCURRED. WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A NEWS SITE BUT AN ONLINE ENCYCLOPAEDIA.  DO NOT ALSO EDIT OUT THE FAN BACKLASH SECTION,THAT IS VANDALISIM OF ARTICLE. Please see the articles "Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not" and "Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles" for more information.
Assuming I'm correct, the emboldened sections give conflicting advice; one says not to add a section back to the article, another says not to remove it?  Which is correct, and what's to be done about this?  --JD[don't talk|email] 06:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone obviously added the bit about not editing out that section. I'll correct it. --Jtalledo (talk) 09:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-contradiction 

message: john cena's debut has been at 2002!!!
D-Generation-X 17:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His WWE Debut may be in 2002, but his pro debut was at the tail end of 2000 or start of 2001, hence his holding an OVW title in 2001. There is life outside of VinceCo. -- Bdve 18:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Look, guy, it's obvious you're just not paying attention to what I'm saying to you. The "debut" area of the statbox DOES NOT refer to his (or anyone elses) WWE debut. It means, simply, their professional debut anywhere. Stop changing it. - Bdve 18:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: How is OVW not pro? It's not national, but it is pro.Bdve 13:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Pro wrestling is not any other sport. Territorial pro wrestling leagues are not the same thing as "minor leagues", they're just smaller pro leagues.Bdve 20:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Why? It's completley obvious what it means, especially if you read the article and see that it begins with his OVW stuff. - Bdve 05:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Debut

message: There is no reason at all that start of the Edge feud can't be added to the bottom of 2006. I'm all for keeping the page short, but enough people have expressed concern and enough time has passed since it started to make it notable. Especially if you're going to add the latest (worked) "update" from WWE.com to hype raw tonight. Stop taking it out. Bdve 23:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which it was, many times. Half a paragraph about how it started (Edge won the title) and the basis of it (Edge cheats to keep the title, thus the SummerSlam match). If anything is non notable and exceissive it's the commercial for an angle on tonight's RAW. Unless this thing turns into "Pullman's Got A Gun II" it's just another week of the feud. I'm putting my last edit back. Bdve 23:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Not a problem there, and really if I was thinking straight I wouldn't have added it myself. Bdve 01:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Overagressive editing

message: Can we please lock this again because once you guys unlocked the article ppl messed it up again (On the 8/14 episode of raw, John Cena's father was slapped silly by the clearly superior Edge.)
ssjbooger
Could someone set the page back i accidentaly blanked it sorry.
That's just a dumb vandal-edit. And it's been a while since the customary bi-weekly lock. Blacklist 04:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested article lock