Talk:Francisco Vázquez de Coronado

message: THE "COMPOSTELA" OF CORONADO IS TODAY THE CITY OF TEPIC, NAYARIT
En febrero de 1540 la actual ciudad de Tepic, hoy capital del estado mexicano de Nayarit, era la ciudad que tenía por gobernador a Coronado siendo su nombre oficial "Santiago de Compostela". La actual Ciudad de Compostela, tambien en Nayarit, fue fundada hasta el 25 de Julio de 1540 por el capitán Cristóbal de Oñate. Precisamente aprovechando que Coronado se encontraba para entonces en el actual Arizona. Tepic es, por tanto, el punto de partida de la expedición de Coronado, no Compostela.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.194.113.127 (talk) 22:16, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

message: --83.46.146.230 (talk) 23:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested portrait of Francisco Vázquez Coronado 

message: Please, correct as soon as posible the horrible mispelling. The name is Vázquez not Vásquez. I know both spellings have the same pronunciation in Mexico, but not in Spain.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.37.230.50 (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Might be a silly request, but perhaps I am not the first who wondered. There is a mentioning of a "Cross of Coronado" in popular culture (all right, "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"). However, hints on the topic on the net are scarce, to a degree that I assume Spielberg (or whoever) made the cross up. I understand that Wikipedia is not a movie database, yet I'ld be glad if you could clarify. -- 84.136.237.133 22:28, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought it was the "Cross of Cortez"  but it's been a while since I've seen the Last Crusade.
Billy Shears 01:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found this. -- 217.186.53.235 23:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, thx! It's been a while since I made the request above, Wikipedia is awesome. :-) --217.189.200.57 00:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Might be a silly request

message: I believe that Coronado went on trial for torturing and executing the native people to lead him to the gold, cutting off hands, burning at the stake, etc. Not sure if the trial was in Mexico, or back in Spain. Also, believe he was aquitted of all charges, or rather, that even though he did all the things charged, it was deemed acceptable behavior. Can anybody shed some more precise light on this? Thanks. Jimaginator 13:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trial? 

message: User:John yazzie1963 added a number of notes citing 'Winship'. I converted those notes into footnotes, and found and added to the References section information on a book by George Winship that I think is the one cited by John yazzie1963. I would appreciate it if someone can check that I indeed found the book that is being cited. -- Donald Albury 13:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winship book 

message: I'm thinking about changing the phrase "Coronado, a Knight, was born in Salamanca."  This could be interpreted as meaning that Coronado was born a knight.  It was my impression that knighthood throughout Christendom was conferred by a noble on an at least semi-adult candidate, rather than being inherited at birth.  I'm not sure if Spain followed French and English customs about knighthood, though.  Anyone have any information on how Coronado actually became a knight? Pirate Dan (talk) 20:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I think it's been long enough.  I'm taking the knighthood bit out until somebody substantiates it. Pirate Dan (talk) 13:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No clue about Coronado, but knighthood is an inheritable rank in addition to being an occupation and honorary award. -LlywelynII (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

text: The british honours system is actually pretty unique in not having inheritable knighthoods (or, for that matter, for having baronies that aren't considered noble just because their lord isn't in favour enough to be summoned to the royal council). It was an inheritable aristocratic rank in most of western Europe and in some countries was one of the distinctions between people who were born in the nobility and people who were ennobled. 74.14.170.194 (talk) 22:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly misleading phrase about knightood? 

message: Missing information on the most important bit, the horses he lost along the way which became the mustangs and completely altered American Indian life throughout the continent. -LlywelynII (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy needs work

message: The beginning of the article has him dying in 1554, but the end of the article has him dying in 1552. Which is it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.29.114.114 (talk) 18:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  when he died 

message: I don't know why you changed his surname. It should be "Vázquez", and not "Vásquez".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.56.9.149 (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah, that seems to be correct. . The article should be moved. It is also at Vázquez de Coronado in Spanish wikipedia.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 06:30, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Francisco VáZquez de Coronado 

message: * Francisco Vásquez de Coronado y Luján (1510 – 22 September 1554) was a...
* ...Coronado retired to Mexico City, where he died on July 21, 1554
* so what? -- Hartmann Schedel cheers 15:14, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: still today the same problem is in the article - when did he die? -- Hartmann Schedel cheers 08:11, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifedates 

message: The description of Coronado's route through Northern Mexico and Southern Arizona is purely conjecture and should be removed. Furthermore the location of Chichilticale has never been proved. As evidence I submit:
http://www.seymourharlan.com/My_Homepage_Files/Page2.html
"A number of scholars have speculated and drawn calculated inferences regarding the location of the Chichilticale ruin (Sauer 1932; Haury 1984; Duffen and Hartmann 1997). Yet through all these efforts, the location of the red house or Chichilticale has failed to be identified. Most recently Brasher (2007) has suggested that he has found it... The most convincing evidence is some of the site and landscape attributes that match those in the chronicles, but 
these are insufficiently place-specific to arrive at objective inferences at this time and some of these are even problematic." DENI SEYMOUR
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After "leaving Culiacan on April 22, Coronado followed the coast, "bearing off to the left," as Mota Padilla says, by an extremely rough way, to the Cinaloa. The configuration of the country made it necessary to follow up the valley of this stream until he could find a passage across the mountains to the course of the Yaquimi. He traveled alongside this stream for some distance, then crossed to Sonora river. The Sonora was followed nearly to its source before a pass was discovered. On the southern side of the mountains he found a stream he called the Nexpa, which may have been either the Santa Cruz or the Pedro of modern maps. The party followed down this river valley until they reached the edge of the wilderness, where, as Friar Marcos had described it to them, they found Chichilticalli.[8] Chichilticalli is in southern Arizona in the Sulfur Springs Valley, within the bend of the Dos Cabeza and Chiricahua Mountains. This fits the chronicle of Laus Deo description, which reports that "at Chichilticalli the country changes its character again and the spiky vegetation ceases. The reason is that the gulf reaches as far up as this place, and the mountain chain changes its direction at the same time that the coast does. Here they had to cross and pass the mountains in order to get into the level country".[9] Though not addressed, they had to have crossed the Gila River, then the Mogollón Rim — which generally runs in an east-west direction, as opposed to the general north-south orientation of the western mountains of Mexico and the United States — and finally the Little Colorado River. Then, they followed the Zuni River drainage into the Cíbola region, in the western part of present-day New Mexico. There he met a crushing disappointment. Cíbola was nothing like the great golden city that Marcos had described. Instead, it was just a complex of simple pueblos constructed by the Zuni Indians. The soldiers considered killing Marcos for his mendacious imagination, but Coronado intervened and sent him back to Mexico in disgrace.
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After "leaving Culiacan on April 22, Coronado followed the coast, "bearing off to the left," as Mota Padilla says, by an extremely rough way. He followed a south flowing stream called "Señora" north (believed to the Sonora River of Northern Mexico), then crossed to a north flowing stream called "Nexpa" (believed to be the San Pedro of Southern Arizona). Narrative of Juan Jaramillo - http://southwest.library.arizona.edu/jour/body.1_div.3.html#page222 The party followed down this river valley until they reached the edge of the wilderness, where, as Friar Marcos had described it to them, they found Chichilticalli.[8] The chronicle of Laus Deo description reports that "at Chichilticalli the country changes its character again and the spiky vegetation ceases. The reason is that the gulf reaches as far up as this place, and the mountain chain changes its direction at the same time that the coast does. Here they had to cross and pass the mountains in order to get into the level country".[9] Then, they followed another river they called "Red River"Narrative of Juan Jaramillo - http://southwest.library.arizona.edu/jour/body.1_div.3.html#page222 (possibly the Zuni River) into the Cíbola region. There he met a crushing disappointment. Cíbola was nothing like the great golden city that Marcos had described. Instead, it was just a complex of simple pueblos constructed by the Zuni Indians. The soldiers considered killing Marcos for his mendacious imagination, but Coronado intervened and sent him back to Mexico in disgrace.
Palatkwapi (talk) 14:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done elektrikSHOOS 16:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 67.142.162.28, 29 October 2010 

message: The text states that Juan Vásquez de Coronado y Sosa de Ulloa was his father, but the link is to an article about :Juan Vásquez de Coronado y Anaya, born 13 years after our Coronado. The source cited at the end of that sentence is also about Juan Vásquez de Coronado y Anaya. -- Donald Albury 12:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a usable source and rewrote a bit. I left out that Juan Vásquez de Coronado y Anaya was Francisco Vásquez's nephew. I wasn't sure where to put it. -- Donald Albury 14:15, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coronado's father 

message: The routes used in this page neglect other's theories such as those from Morris, Holden, etc. We know the route did not go that far north on the 'going' trip. A southern route is more likely since there are artifacts in Blanco Canyon dating to Coronado.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aualliso (talk • contribs) 07:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other proposed routes 

message: After the Conquest of Cibola article, there are some random words saying "Wiener meiner dietar anamagrantet". It should be erased.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.72.38 (talk) 00:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conquest of Cibola 

message: The sentence that begin, "In the New Spain, he married ...." needs editing for readability. Iss246 (talk) 20:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Americas

message: The article mentioned constantly "Coronado" as if that was actually Francisco's last name. It wasn't. His father's surname was "Vásquez de Coronado", and as such, that would equal Anglo customs for last name. "Luján" and maternal names in general are pretty much unused as a last name both in Spanish countries and elsewhere. It is a gross error to refer him as "Coronado", instead of the correct "Vásquez de Coronado". --201.215.141.30 (talk) 00:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surname 

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