Talk:Crown of Castile

message: Starting translation from Spanish wikipedia
--Ajrs 22:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The Crown of Castile began in 1230 indeed, it began with the union of the kingdom of Castile with her "father" kingdom of León. Period. 
In medieval Spain there are 4 and only 4 christian kingdoms: León, Castile, Aragón and Navarre. Period.
Galicia was never a proper kingdom , she was part of the Kingdom of León, the title "kingdom" was but honorary.The reason for this "mistake" here is Galician nationalist movements. We all know any nationalism needs a history (be it real or not), so there are some people very active in the net (particularly here in Wikipedia) that have set out to re-write history to their convenience. And everyone who knows a bit of Spanish political reality knows how radical and fanatical this nationalist movements are, which is all all right for idealist people defending their nations to be, but history is history and wikipedia users shouldn't be victims of this political fanatism.Cornelius71 (talk) 15:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I agree with you, Nationalisms are very fanatical and radical, and the most radical and fanatical is the Spanish nationalism, no doubt.--88.24.114.134 (talk) 16:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a Kingdom of Asturias that later became a part of Leon. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 19:35, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Kingdom of Majorca, Kingdom of Valencia and Kingdom of Aragon were all part from the Crown of Aragon. The Kingdom of Majorca split out of the crown for a few years. The Crown of Castile had several kingdoms inside it. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:36, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many "kingdoms" 

message: Did the Crown of Castile end in 1715 or 1716? The last of the Nueva Planta decrees abolished the County of Barcelona in 1716, merging it with the Crown of Castile. 86.97.146.6 (talk) 06:20, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The fueros of Aragon and Valencia were already taken away with the 1707 Nueva Planta Decree, but Felipe V couldn't impose them until he squashed the rebellions.
Legally, the War of Spanish Succession ended with the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht, but Majorca and Ibiza were not taken until 1715. In the last section of the Spanish-language version you can see more battles that are considered part of the war, even if it was already finished.
The trick is this: the Catalonia decree was written in 9 October 1715, but it wasn't issued until 16 January 1716. By that time Majorca had been taken, and the last resistance in Catalonia had been defeated in Siege of Barcelona (1713–1714). Obviously, many historians think that the date of 1715, or "approximately 1715", is more accurate. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  1715 or 1716? 

message: I notice that after 1521, the year the Revolt of the Comuneros ended, very little is mentioned about the history of the Crown. This is especially bad since many things happened during this period (wars in Europe especially). Can someone add this much needed information? I would be glad to help.
Thanks 86.97.146.6 (talk) 06:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the Crown after 1521 

message: Were cities such as Oran, Algiers, Bougie, Biserta, and Tunis controlled by the Crown of Castile or the Crown of Aragon? 86.97.146.6 (talk) 06:09, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish-controlled cities in North Africa 

message: El reino de Castilla paso a llamarse reyno de España por causas politicas, para evitar discusiones tontas entr los "Nobles y los dtractores. de esa manera salio el reyno de España, ahúnque ya existia esa unidad con los Godos, es de logica, si un reino ocupa el 80 por ciento del territorio y el 90% de lo conquistado en el resto del mundo bajo su bandera, ¿como podria llamarse Castilla? ¡no! la llamaron España. ¡Haaa! otra cosa si Isabel de Castilla no se hubiera casado con Fernando de Aragon, el Reyno de Aragon hubiera desaparecido 'Un saludo y gracias! --79.159.215.184 (talk) 21:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reino y corona de Castilla 

message: The article needs to make up its mind if it wants to be about a state (as in Spain) or about a title (institution, as in Monarchy of Spain).
Castile and Léon existed as a state between 1230 and 1516. After 1516, the title continued to exist, of course, but the state and territory just became (the core) part of Habsburg Spain. The title of king of Castile is still claimed by the current King of Spain, so it is meaningless to claim that the "Crown of Castile" was "disestablished in 1715". Either it was disestablished in 1506/16, ceasing to exist as a separate entity, or it was never disestablished, as it survives as a purely nominal title. --dab (𒁳) 16:14, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to disagree. The political entity known as the Crown of Castile existed after 1516, but does not exist today. I am not sure whether it ceased to exist in 1715 (along with the Crown of Aragon) or perhaps later on, the latest possible date being 1837. Habsburg Spain consisted, for the most part, of the Crown of Castile and the Crown of Aragon. There was no political entity called "Spain" yet. Spain did not exist before the Bourbons took over. Surtsicna (talk) 20:17, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: king of Castile and King of Jerusalem are still titles claimed by Juan Carlos I of Spain (the current King of Spain) but they are not states as Spain. --Dososos (talk) 14:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: artilcle scope

message: The gif image which shows the evolution of the territorial expansion of the Crown contains a good deal of severe inaccuracies. To name just one, The Kingdom of Leon (including Galicia, which was part of it, not a separate entity like the gif implies) was not "annexed" to the "already existing (1217 (!!))" "Crown" of Castile: The "Kingdom" of Castile fused with the Kingdom of Leon in 1230 for being under the same sovereign (it was not annexed), and this formed the "Crown" of Castile in 1230. This gif implies that the "Crown" of Castile existed already in 1217 (false, it was still a Kingdom) and annexed Leon and an independent (false) Galicia, which is a very important mistake. The Spanish version of this gif which served as template for this version was corrected a year ago and so this one should be corrected too. The other mistakes have been fixed there too.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mapa_de_la_Corona_de_Castilla.gif
I have contacted the author who fixed the Spanish version to see if he could do the same with this one, as I don't know how to do it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.54.84.68 (talk) 23:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  SEVERE INACCURACIES 

message: I have removed denominations in the infobox in galician, leonese, basque. I think it is unnecessary editorializing that clutters the infobox and I sticked to latin and spanish (latin and the romance vernacular (old spanish) were the languages of the royal chancellery in the Middle Ages. They are featured as note in the lead anyways. I am aware even this can be a dubious construct, as the romance vernacular and middle spanish were different from modern spanish and the Castiella denomination was probably also a common term in sources back then in the romance vernacular (old castilian). Supposing you need to include every language spoken there in the infobox brings bad editorializing (think Ottoman empire or Austrian Empire).--Asqueladd (talk) 11:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a specialist, but I'm pretty sure Madrid was considered the capital by most medieval standards. Bertdrunk (talk) 13:16, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: By medieval standards? Not really. In the Middle Ages there were not a capital per se. The nuanced discussion about which city gathered more administrative power at a particular point in the Late Middle Ages is interesting (Burgos, Valladolid, Toledo) but it is not a thing for the infobox and Madrid does not belong to that discussion either. Madrid (which was a decent sized city with some importance previously to 1561 despite some views trying to portray the city as an invention of Philip II) had nevertheless just a vote in the Cortes just like more than a dozen of cities of the Crown. Later Madrid became the capital of the Crown of Castile in 1561, that's true, but that date falls outside the temporal scope of the article as it is formulated in its current form.--Asqueladd (talk) 14:15, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: By Medieval standards I mean wherever the court is, or was. If there was a seat, at least partially permanently, I suppose it could be cited. Bertdrunk (talk) 15:38, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no such thing. If you are interested in developing the centres of power of the Crown of Castile, you have a decent source here. However, I am highly skeptical the content you can infer from the sources could lead to a explanation in the infobox that improves in any form the presentation of the article, and therefore I think it is most appropiate to deal with it just in the body of the article.--Asqueladd (talk) 16:04, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright. Thx. Bertdrunk (talk) 16:42, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: the two articles are really similar and both should merge. The french guru (talk) 03:08, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that rather than merging them, the page Kingdom of Castile should be trimmed to avoid too much redundancy. --Jotamar (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah I guess you'r right. but the guys who did the reaserch will not be that happy The french guru (talk) 00:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  should merge with "the kingdom of castille"