Talk:Gila monster

message: How much does a Gila monster wiegh, there ae refrences tat they can cosume up to 50% their body wieght, but no mention as to what that wieght is. (keg233)
Does the Gila monster have some ability to change the colours of its scales to avoid detection, something like (but less than) a chameleon? --Robert Merkel 12:17, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: Here. Andy Mabbett 10:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Only in captive collections. -Dawson 21:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

text: And you need a zoo licenseNrg800 (talk) 11:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Australia doesn't allow imports with out permits, generally to universities, zoos, etc. There are no Gila monsters in the wild in Australia. The distribution is noted in the article. Mark (talk) 09:00, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC cite this article

message: As of this version of this article, there was a reference stating ""Gila Monster," Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2000. ⓒ 1993-1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.", and with the following version () the comment "Edited by Jihoon Baek" was added. I removed both and rephrased (see my diff: ) the sentence which was apparently added together with said reference to Encarta to avoid possible copyright issues (which, arguably, would not have been too big a problem with just one sentence).
--Florian Prischl 17:28, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How about you go there and find out!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.121.79.79 (talk) 19:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of MS Encarta material 

message: This page says;
The Gila monster (Heloderma suspectum) is one of the two known species of venomous lizards. (The other is the Mexican beaded lizard.)
Komodo dragon says
Komodo dragon is venomous, with up to 200 milligrams of venom ready for delivery at any given time; it is a member of a venom clade with many other lizards as well as snakes.
So, which article is right?
:As far as I'm aware, the Komodo Dragon doesn't have venom, rather it kills its prey using a bacterial infection.--Victim Of Fate 16:56, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Strictly speaking, no. Certain proteins found in various types of venom have been isolated in the saliva of many lizard species (and snake species otherwise considered completely non-venomous). Individual proteins do not necessarily make a lizard venomous, those proteins by themselves may not even perform any significant function. It just means that saliva production, and the evolution of venom is much more complicated than was once thought and a LOT more research is needed to find out exactly what all the components do, exactly, and how they work together to produce their effect. -Dawson 23:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Auffenberg explains the Varanid aspects of the perception of venom here: 
Lanthanotus borneensis - not venomous Mark (talk) 09:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

text: No, the Komodo Dragon is venomous. See http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-06/animal-fun-facts-does-komodo-dragon-really-kill-bacteria-filled-bite HammerFilmFan (talk) 10:22, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many venomous lizard species are there? 

message: :They defecate. Their venom is modified saliva produced in a gland in their lower jaw. -Dawson 21:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this has long been answered, it just makes me laugh the stuffings out of myself. Crimsonraptor (talk) 00:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your daughter got it wrong. gila monsters do have an anus, which they use to eat. They then defecate by their mouths.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.189.82 (talk) 07:24, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  My daughter says that the gilamonster does not defecate; she says it instead uses this as poison.  Can this be true?  KR 

message: I have looked every place and can't find anything stating what the natural enemies of the Gila monster are, anybody have the answer?
:Your question should be referred to the Wiki Help Desk, as it does not pertain to improving the article. However, they only have one 'natural' enemy - man.  They are brightly colored to warn other animals that they are venomous - and coyotes give them a wide berth, and rattlesnakes are not known to prey on them. HammerFilmFan (talk) 10:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the Gila monsters natural enemies? 

message: Editor User:Arpingstone reduced this image size to the default thumbnail (180px). Unfortunately, this image is a bit dark and low-contrast,and at the default size is almost unusable. The original photo is quite nice -- see Image:GilaMonster.jpg , and it shows up well at the same size as the first image on the page.  Thus I feel this photo "calls for a specific image width to enhance the readability", as specified in WP:MOS#Images. Pete Tillman (talk) 19:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the thumbnail was a small pic that could be clicked so that the reader could enjoy a larger pic? So why shouldn't the pic in the article be at default size and interested readers can readily click on it to get a larger one? I have 300 px set up in my Prefs so that pic looked fine to me. If a size had been "hard-wired" into the code, say 300px, then it might be too large for lores screens. As you know, it's WP policy to usually remove px values and this doesn't seem a special case. Having said all that, I'm not bothered if a special px value is put in, but make a comment in the code that there's a reason or editors will keep removing the px value! - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 08:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your comment -- advice taken. Pete Tillman (talk) 17:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found a much better picture on Commons so the above discussion is now (hopefully) redundant - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 21:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Second image size?

message: What happened to the Zoos with Gila Monster section?  Nrg800 (talk) 11:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zoos with the Gila monter? 

message: I guess there's no peer review started so I'll just put my comments here. You can paste them into any review you do start.
*It was mistakenly believed that the Gila monster did not have an anus, when in fact the cloaca is concealed by scales. It was once believed that its waste contaminated its mouth and teeth, producing venom and "fetid breath"
:*This paragraph is short and just begging for elaboration.
::*I've moved it down to the "relation with humans" section. 
*The Gila monster feeds primarily on bird and reptile eggs, and occasionally upon small birds and mammals.[15] Frogs, lizards, insects, and carrion are also consumed.
:*These sentences could probably be combined, I just didn't want to introduce any errors. Try: The Gila monster feeds primarily on bird and reptile eggs, and occasionally upon small birds, mammals, frogs, lizards, insects, and carrion.
::*Combined.
:The Gila monster eats infrequently, but when it does feed, it may eat up to one-third of its body mass.
:*Be specific here, how infrequently?
::*Added.
*Its sense of smell is so accurate that . . .
:*Would "keen" be a better word here or no?
::*Changed.
*I am pretty sure the Wikinews template should be in the external links or further reading section. 
**It would be better off in the section pertaining to drug research, in my opinion.
*A few authoritative external links in their own section at the end would be a good addition.
**I don't see a great need to do so. If the web site is authoritative, then I will use it as a reference.
*Any "see alsos" that might work for this article?
**I will look for some.
*Go through and look at your wikilinks. Make sure there aren't links to common terms that don't really add to or help provide any context for the article. Terms like sausage, bead, and tongue probably needn't be linked.
**Done.
I did a few minor edits too, I haven't really gone through all the sections with a fine toothed comb yet but the above and what I tweaked were just some of the things I noticed as I read through. Hope this helps. I'll probably stop back by at some point too.--IvoShandor (talk) 13:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that, the peer review page is at Wikipedia:Peer review/Gila Monster/archive1. The page was moved while the peer review was going on, and it still links to the old page. bibliomaniac15 16:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review

message: And if so, what do they taste like? Similar to gator I'd imagine...
:You have just volunteered to do some research.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.193.37 (talk) 09:18, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are they edible? 

message: I was hoping that this article would explain its strange name. It's small, it's not very dangerous, it doesn't look especially weird, and there are no major legends or myths about it, so why is it called a "monster"? Why not just "Gila lizard"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.47.241.179 (talk) 20:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "Monster"? 

message: My Uncle says the Gila Monster does not urinate or deficicate and that is why the poison is so toxic.  Is that true?
:No, only an idiot would believe such nonsense.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 23:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that is a myth that dates back to the 1600's 
Mark (talk) 08:49, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gila Monsters 

message: they are black and orange  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.227.11.17 (talk) 16:40, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color 

message: The lizard used in the Giant Gila Monster movie was a beaded lizard. While a relative of the Gila Monster, it was not one.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.106.236 (talk) 18:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie correction 

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message: Under the Drug research section. 
  "The saliva of the Gila monster contains many chemicals which can be deadly. One of these has been shown to affect memory. Several companies have been researching the abilities of this chemical to help..."
The supporting sentences don't really come in line with that oddly worded first sentence. I'd edit but I'm not sure what the intended idea is.
-rudyard (talk) 20:59, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with you on this. The tone is vague, not very encyclopedic, and above all, it's not cited at all. I went ahead and removed it for now. bibliomaniac15 22:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence structure 

message: I have put a lot of work into the article to bring it up to current knowledge and up to date references. In doing so, I took great care to preserve as much of the content as possible. Please visit my talk page at MonsterDoc (talk) to see what happened to my edit. The user Viewmont Viking has undone all my work. I contacted him on his talk page, but he did not react and shortly afterwards deleted all comments on his talk page, except for his own.
To get to Viewmont Viking complaint about my book "The Gila Monster - Heloderma suspectum": This book was published by the respected publisher Chimaira in Frankfurt, not Hollywood Import & Export Inc, as Viewmont Viking incorrectly claimed. It is an accepted source of extensive information about Heloderma in the English-speaking world as well. Hollywood Import & Export Inc only appears to be the distributor for the USA, but incorrectly calls itself the publisher on Amazon.
Whenever my book is given for a cite, it is for new, unpublished facts. For me, Wikipedia is not a platform for promotion.
I ask you to review my last changes from November 19th (MonsterDoc) and then approve the page. After that, I would like to continue making minor additions and providing pictures of teeth, skin, moult, and a cladogram. --MonsterDoc (talk) 13:05, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi  if this work you are wanting to cite in the article is written by you, then - if you haven't done so already - I would advise that you read the relevant policy at WP:SELFCITE. Furthermore, could you please provide a link or a diff to the edit you want reinstating, as you made multiple edits to this article on 19 November. With regards to your issues with  that is something you should discuss with them - and I invite them to take part in this discussion here. Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  14:31, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your very quick reply, great. Here the link to my . I am looking forward to a discussion with W. Vicking - I told him already that I want to follow  Wickipedia rules and do not want to offend anybody. I am aware of the immmense work of former contributers. --MonsterDoc (talk) 19:06, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi  thanks for that reply! I had a quick look at the edits you made and which were reverted by , and there seems to be a large amount of text which was changed. Therefore, I suggest that the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle is followed, and that you both discuss it here, as personally, I'm not sure why they were reverted, and so I personally don't want to put your edits back before Viewmont Viking can give their opinion. I will leave them a note asking them to contribute to the discussion here. If you need any more help in the meantime, you can , or just leave a message on my talk page. Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  12:16, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Seagull123. Thank you very much for your support and comment. It is more than a week by now that  did not get in contact with us into the discuss cycle about his BOLD revert on Gila monster. I now want to ask you to get my changes reviewed and make, please, your corrections e. g. to my “German English”. Then, please, revert the BOLD officially and put Gila monster online again. After that “Drug research” and “Life cycle” still have to be brought to present knowledge. I plan to add some impressive, informative photos, similar to the German Edition Wikipedia “Gila Krustenechse” (70% MonsterDoc). Please, let me know if this could be a way to proceed. P.S. is there a possibility to protect Gila monster against future “vandalism”. Sincerely, --MonsterDoc (talk) 12:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi again  To address your reply: if you want this page to be protected, please go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection and read the instructions there. In terms of your requested changes - I am not an expert on this sort of topic, so I personally am hesitant to make any such edits myself; but because  hasn't joined the discussion here, and so hasn't elaborated on what they mean by "" - I would suggest that you could go ahead and do those edits again yourself - as long as they are well-sourced, of course - per the "Bold, revert, bold again" suggestion at WP:BRB (). If you want other editors to give a look at the edits you make and give their opinion, you might like to ask a relevant WikiProject - such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles - I'll leave a message at their talk page asking them to look at this discussion.  Seagull123  Φ  17:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

text: Hi again  just to let you know I'm setting the  template to "answered".  Seagull123  Φ  15:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear  Seagull123,  Have a Merry Christmas with all of your family--MonsterDoc (talk) 15:55, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did my best, Few comments TOXICITY melking a Gila gives up to 2 ml of vernom - I have been melking myself Gilas   "DIET"  we are talking about COMMON food - they might feed by accident on an insect Frogs, Turtel eggs and Carrion are old missbeliefs that are carried on. If possible Waiting for comments and discussion before changes--MonsterDoc (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Will make final check of references  Pictures will be inserted within a few days--MonsterDoc (talk) 20:27, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dear Seagull123 I want to announce my completion of GILA MONSTER. I hope a lot that this newedition will be well accepted or even become a reference for Heloderma suspectum. My EGO wants to know the e. g. percentage of input I made. Are there any internal statistics available you can offer?  NEXT I intend to start to do some work on the page Heloderma, but only for "basics", hopefully inspiring other authors to continue to make it also a reliable source of information for all of the 5 heloderma species.  Thank you again for your cooperation and support.--MonsterDoc (talk) 17:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Deleted Cite of a reliable sounding source "Gila Monster Fact Sheet - National Zoo|" from 2006 because of missing any cite and no updates, therefore presenting numerous overcome information, e. g. obsolete taxonomy now, since 2013 five valid species of Heloderma. H. susp.hatching occurs after 5 month not after 10!Hatching is in October not in spring, uncommon questionable prey,logelivity in captivity is about 30 years , survivers in the wild up to 35 years. "Spend 98 % underground" it is about 90 % " make frequent searching for food unnesssary" they are less active to save energy,!!! etc.--MonsterDoc (talk) 18:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New version with current data and references 

message: I'm pretty sure that Gila monsters are not 3000 feet long. Serpentnight (talk) 14:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page vandal