Talk:List of British Jews

message: Perhaps we should have an article dedicated to notable Catholics from Vatican City?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.213.116 (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it could prove very useful in future. Hugh Jaycoch (talk) 12:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Gosh, argument over! I particularly liked the reasoning. 137.222.231.37 (talk) 22:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hugh has had their account deleted for vandalism.  I think this article should be deleted.  It's absolutely chock-full of people who would not identify themselves as Jews, and will continue to attract people who are determined to add them.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.64.44.200 (talk) 12:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the point of this article 

message: There are a number of references given in this article to "JYB", often "JYB p. 212". As I'm sure everyone is aware, the Jewish Year Book, is, in fact, a Year Book.  That is, it publishes a new version every year.  Could proper references for these please be provided, listing the specific year?  Also, could someone explain why there are so many references to that specific page, 212?  It looks a bit odd. Jayjg (talk) 00:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that when the JYB was first cited, only the (then) latest edition, 2005, was cited, so all references without a year are to 2005.  I'll check.  There is a section in every recent edition that lists current Jewish MPs, members of the Privy Council, Fellows of the Royal Society, etc, and most references to the JYB refer to that.  There is also a "Who's Who of British Jewry" that is referenced occasionally.  Since people are removed when they retire or die, it is also necessary to refer to older editions. - Newport 12:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you had a chance to check yet? Jayjg (talk) 19:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, everywhere where the year is not stated, it's 2005. - Newport 11:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

text: deleted personal attacks. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your kind remarks. I hope I'll have the opportunity to talk with you further before you are banned from editing here. Grace Note 03:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

text: An open note to the editors of this page: why doesw Gracenote get to decide a) the qualifications for listing here; and b) which sources are reputable enough for sourcing purposes.  The Jewish Yearbook is widely considered a highly reputable authoritative source.  How does Gracenote get to unilaterally decide that it no longer qualifies?  Did I miss the section in the Wikipedia rules that Gracenote is the final authority on all things Jewish?  And who is Gracenote, what are his qualifications, what are his biases.  This is getting downright ridiculous.Incorrect 06:31, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

text: deleted personal attack. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Do the lists say, specifically, "List of Jewish privy councillors"? I am not querying their criteria, you'll note; that's a strawman. I am simply asking whether they do meet our criteria. Grace Note 06:04, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I don't quite understand. You are saying that the lists are not "list of Jewish foos"? But the section is headed "Jewish foos"? Or are you saying that there is nothing in there to say that the lists are of Jews and one just assumes it from the fact it is the "Jewish Year Book"? Could you please give the explicit wording a/ of the lists that you are relying on as sources and b/ of the part of the year book that you claim meets the criteria for inclusion? Please read the criteria given at the top of this page so that you are quite sure that these lists meet them. Grace Note 01:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry to have vexed you and to continue to do so but could you please supply the exact wording of the section heading? Unfortunately, I'm in Australia so I can't check in the library for myself. But given that you have added references to many disputed names from the source, you can understand why it's necessary to be certain that the criteria are met. Grace Note 07:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Newport, does the book say anywhere what its criteria for inclusion are i.e. whether it is saying the people listed are "Jews," or "of Jewish ancestry," or what. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: deleted personal attack. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. Unfortunately, you can't be taken seriously because you weren't smart enough to note that I said I'm "in Australia" not I "am Australian". Grace Note 03:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, because you will not properly answer the question, I am going to remove all of the names sourced to the Jewish Year Book as inadequately sourced until you do. You have not demonstrated that the source you rely on states that the people concerned are Jewish. Your answers are evasive and I'm of the opinion that is because the source does not in fact state that the people you are including are Jewish. Grace Note 03:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with removing it. I'm at a loss as to understand the fuss over this. I initially supported it as a reliable source when it was first questioned months ago, but since then it's been used many times without even giving a year, questions about it don't get answered either at all or for days and weeks, and now no one will tell us what it actually says. Enough already. SlimVirgin (talk) 04:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The thought that a woman of the quality of SlimVirgin should be my groupy will keep me warm through the upcoming winter nights, Incorrect. I thank you for your contributions to this page, but so far they have amounted to no edits and several personal attacks. May I though advise you that with less tolerant editors you'll find the former much more welcome than the latter, and if you talk to others the way you have to me, you will find yourself in hot water. Grace Note 07:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  JYB references 

message: I have to say that the criteria for inclusion here seem somewhat odd.  I think that someone should be regarded as a Jew if their parents were Jews if there is no evidence to the contrary.  Not for nothing are Jews considered to be a race under the UK's Racial Hatred Bill - it is a cultural thing as well as a religious one.  For example, my father's family are Jewish, but my mother's family are not.  I am not Bar Mitzvah and never go to shul.  I do not believe in God.  And yet, if I were notable, I would still want to be listed on here - the culture of Judaism is passed down over generations.  --David.Mestel 19:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you were notable and wanted to be included in this list, all you'd have to do is be interviewed by a reputable news organization and tell them that you're Jewish (or regard yourself as such), or include it in one of the books you were notable for having written. :-) We're editing strictly in accordance with WP:V and WP:NOR, because people were adding names to the list who were neither Jewish nor British in some instances. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:25, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for inclusion 

message: I was too short on time to do it today but I'm letting interested editors know that I am going to be checking out the entries on this page, particularly those that are sourced to websites. I saw quite a few in passing that did not look like they would pass but as I say, I didn't have the time to look into it. We have discussed this already. In keeping with our policies, it is not acceptable to use personal websites as sources on Wikipedia. Please refer to Wikipedia:Reputable sources if you are not clear what is allowable as a source. Lists of Jews on some guy's website are very unlikely to be reputable enough. Editorials on fly-by-night chatsheets are also very much below the standard we demand. These standards apply to all articles in Wikipedia. We don't have lower ones for lists. The following websites clearly do not meet the standard:
www.jinfo.org -- "JINFO.ORG has no outside organizational affiliation or sponsorship." Which means no oversight.
www.jewsrock.org -- "It was born from a joke". Two guys with a website.
www.jewishprblog.com -- Blogs are disreputable, almost by definition.
www.televisionheaven.co.uk -- at best borderline.
www.somethingjewish.co.uk -- two guys with a website.
Just because your website is flash, and you've got a designer in to make it look nice, does not make it any more than a personal website. We should keep that in mind. Consequently, if you want someone kept on the list who is sourced to one of these, or other similar, websites, start looking for other sources. These would not be acceptable sources for an article on, say, "Jewish culture", or on any of the people concerned, so they should not be acceptable for listing people here. I welcome comments, but please, if you just want to insult me, could you direct them to my talkpage? This page is for discussing the article's content, not your beliefs about my ancestry, criminality or whatever else. Grace Note 08:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More removals to come 

message: Should a modified and shortened form of the criteria listed on the talk page be listed in the article as well? I believe so, and would add it, but I have very little knowledge of the issues behind the criteria. While the link to Who is a Jew? is interesting, it does not state which view is used in these lists. In fact, this particular list seems to be one of the few, if not the only, to give explicit criteria. 
Also, to explain my addition of 'most likely' to the criteria: I believe that interpreting WP:NOR as not allowing the addition of anything not explicitly stated in a reliable source would create problems in a wide variety of other situations. For example, it would be very difficult to label pseudoscience and crackpots as such. There may be an unlikely situation where a person does not satisfy the criteria but should be included, but this should be discussed on the talk page first. --Philosophus T 02:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria '''in''' article 

message: I have removed Nick Cohen from the list, as he states explicitly that he is not Jewish: 'Although readers may have assumed he was Jewish because of his surname, he has written that, in fact, "there hasn’t been a Jewish member of [his] family for 100 years".' (Cited at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Cohen ). Like other editors, I cannot understand the logic of excluding the Jewish Year Book as a source. It strikes me as bizarre to remove someone like Eric Moonman. And many of the others removed are members or representatives of Jewish organisations, or otherwise publicly identified as Jews. In fact, the source cited for Nick Cohen's inclusion (http://www.bilderberg.org) is far less acceptable than the JYB, and hardly "reputable". How can you justify accepting their criteria, but not the JYB's, for determining whether someone is Jewish? RolandR 23:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nick Cohen

message: The policy at the top of this page says that someone should be included if there is a reliable source that he/she is Jewish.  We have removed Clement Freud and David Aaronovitch, despite the presence of good sources, apparently because they say that they don't regard themselves as Jewish.  Nick Cohen is possibly in the same camp, though RolandR regards the source as dubious.  On the other hand, Christopher Hitchens has been deleted although he clearly regards himself as Jewish, presumably by an editor whose POV is that he's not Jewish enough.  Following the policy for this article, we have to go by what the sources say, so presumably Hitchens should be restored.  Comments? --Newport 13:53, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plea for consistency

message: I stopped editing here because the stupidty of those claiming the JYB wasn't a valid source got to be too much (particularly when an adminstrator temporarily banned me from further edits); after giving this further consideration, I realize the Wikep. should not be under the control of an "owner" of an article- I'm back, and I have no intention of letting this article be ruined by those who don't understand the rules of editing.Incorrect 21:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish Year Book

message: From the Observer, April 14, 2002: "He insists that he is Jewish" (from an interview with CH).  Case closed!Incorrect 15:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry that I edited before checking in here. Can you provide a link to the article so everybody can read it?? I see no mention of his background in his main space and his biography makes him appear to be an atheist?? What gives?? Thanks! --Tom 17:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here it is (and since it meets all the rules above, I have reversed your deletion)"http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,,683899,00.htmlIncorrect 17:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there seems to be a bit of controversy here, I quote the rule at the top of the article: "Someone is Jewish ONLY if there is a reputable source saying explicitly that they are Jews."  We have an article in the mainstream media (the Observer) saying of CH:  "He insists that he is Jewish" Any attempt to look at other articles, etc. to try and devine what CH "really" thnks is original research, supposedly verbotten here.  According to rules, it doesn't make any difference if CH says he is Jewish because he admires Jews and always wanted to be one; because his mother was Jewish; because he saw in a dream that Disraeli was an ancestor; because he believe in reincarnation and thinks he is the reborn Moses - it makes no difference, once there is an identifycation of him as Jewish in a reputable source, he may be listed here.  If you disagree, then that means you disagree with the rules this site seems to have established (against the will of the majority) and we need a new criteria for determining who should be listed (something I think actually should be done), but if the current rules are in effect, CH must stay on the list!Incorrect 18:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says that he is 1/32nd Jewish, whatever the heck that means. If the guy wants to say he is Jewish, I don't really care. What is the reason/agenda it is important to have him on this list or not?? My opinion, where is InShaneee when you need him (inside joke), is that we should be 110% certain the person fits into the category of the list before they are included?? Does somebody thinking/saying they are X qualify them for inclusion in "List of X persons"? This is one article where his descent is discussed and it remains vague imo. Also as an aside, not to offend my fellow Wiki Englishmen, I find the guardian to be a rag, even though I was told it's the equal to our NYTimes? They did a real hatch job on Philadelphia Eagles fans awhile back that still leaves a bad taste in my mouth to this date. Thanks! --Tom 19:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It should be noted that Peter Hitchens refutes brother Christopher's claim and thus Peter should not appear in this list.--Zleitzen 21:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Z, you are correct, that's why I didn't.Incorrect 21:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I can see, it is claimed that his maternal grandmother's original surname was Levin. If that is true and Peter Hitchens claims that they are only 1/32 Jewish, then it must have been the paternal great grandfather of the Hitchenses grandmother who was originally Jewish so really not very Jewish at all, certainly not Jewish under Halakhah. David Cameron is coincidentally the same amount Jewish through his Levita ancestors- I'd imagine that a large percentage of European, N. African and mid east populations have at least that level of "Jewishness" so I'm not sure its listworthy. Arniep 23:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the list Nazis prevent us from listing those we absolutely know are Jewish because we can't find a citation that says so, we sure as hell should list those who do fit the straight jacket qualifications.Incorrect 02:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: And regarding Halakhah law, Stella McCartney's daughter (if she has one by a non Jewish man)is just as Jewish as the Chief Rabbi , though by blood the daughter would only be 1/4 Jewish - and if the daughter had a further daughter by a non Jewish man, while the further daughter would only be 1/8 Jewish by blood, the further daughter would be 100% Jewish under Jewish law - so the % of "Jewish blood" is irrelevant under Jewish law as to whether someone is a Jew or not.Incorrect 02:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that but Hitchens still wouldn't be Jewish under Halakhah as it was the father of his grandmother who had Jewish ancestry not the mother/maternal line. Arniep 13:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Christopher Hitchens]]

message: Please note that under the rules that control this site (with which I disagree), the listing of CH has NOTHING to do with his having 1/32 Jewish blood, or 0 Jewish blood - all that counts is that a reputable source says he is Jewish.  Since the Observer article says CH says he is Jewish , that is all that matters.  I would be happy if a concensus were reached on a new definition of who to include on this list, but that seems to be what we are stuck with (and btw, why are we assuming Peter Hitchens, who is from his articles a firm, believing Christian, is truthful about the amount of Jewish ancestry in the Hitchens family - he wouldn't be the first part Jewish person to deny their Jewish background cf. Madelyn Albright).Incorrect 02:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Grace Note is right. If the result seems odd, it's not the fault of the editors, but of the policy. 20.138.246.89 09:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have discussed before, I do not think what people say about their own ethnicity can be considered a reliable source unless it is clear they have researched the matter or referenced some other detailed research. Many things people say are published in reputable sources, but that doesn't mean what they said was reliable. Most people who do not actually research their family themselves don't know anything reliable about their own ancestry. As it appears Peter Hitchens has said he has researched their ancestry thoroughly, and they are not in fact Jewish I think we should consider this a more reliable source than C. Hitchens claim to be Jewish just because his maternal grandmother said her surname was originally Jewish (note she did not say her mother was Jewish). Arniep 13:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am still wondering why its so dam important that this guy be listed in this "article/list". I hate these lists for this exact reason, its SUBJECTIVE. A list of "the 50 States of America" or "the Prime Ministers of UK" ect leave alot less wiggle room. This list is like the list of "Anti-semetic people", it's open to interpretation no matter what the definition/policy at the top of the list says...IMO, oh course :) --Tom 13:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think people are mistaken in thinking that anything published in a reputable source can be considered a reliable source unless it is clear that source has some kind of expertise or reputation for reporting those kind of facts accurately. I do not believe the Guardian/Observer or any other newspaper check statements made about people's ancestry for reliability, therefore I do not believe that they can be considered a reliable source in this context. Only sources that have some kind of expertise and are known to do detailed research should be considered reliable for such purposes (i.e. the Jewish Year Book or Jewish Chronicle- if Hitchens really was Jewish he would have been listed in these by now)). Arniep 14:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: A, following your logic I can no longer consider myself Jewish because I'm not listed in the JYB?  Hmmm, guess all my Torah study classes are really part of a comparatve religion project I didn't know I was working on.Incorrect 14:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: And GN, you have missed the whole point of the argument regarding who should be included on this list - no one (except perhaps A) is arguing for original research, we are all willing to only list those who are "identified" in a reputable source on this list - the argument is over what that "identification" must consist of - you have single handedly bullied this site into only allowing the "identification" to be "xyz is a jew [or Jewish}."  Most of the rest of us, in a manner consistent with other lists on Wikipedia, want to accept the "identification" to be xyz has Jewish parents...or grew up in a Jewish family, etc.  There is nothing in the Wikipedia rules to prevent a list that is identified this way - but you continue to interpret them in a way that's unique to the site.Incorrect 14:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It isn't "dam important" that Hitchens in particular is included.  However, given that he was listed, and it appears that under the rules it is correct to list him, it is wrong to remove him.  Arniep: the Jewish Year Book cannot purport to list every Jew in the country.  It does not, for example, list my local Borough councillor, who is Jewish.  How do you know that the Jewish Chronicle has never mentioned that Christopher Hitchens is Jewish?  Can we please now drop the subject; we're all on th esame side here, trying to improve this list within the straitjacket we have.--Newport 16:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, obviously the Jewish Year Book doesn't list everyone who is Jewish, just notable people, and Hitchens is notable. I think the main problem here is people thinking that everything in a reputable source has to be considered a reliable source on all subjects which is obviously not the case. Arniep 18:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Newport, you say "and it appears that under the rules it is correct to list him" has that been decided, 110%?? The discussion is over?? Using a rambling interview from the guardian where CH says he always knew he was Jewish or had a dream about being Jewish or a grandmother saying she came from Jews or however it went just doesn't seem to make it 110% certain he should be listed here. The point that he was on here so now taking him off would mean, err, what?? I added/changed/deleted/revised stuff all the time after having time to think about it and research it more. That's one of the nice things I find about Wikipedia. Anyways, it seems like this is SO subjective so please leave him on. I am going over to the List of Greeks to see if Pete Sampras has been added back on..AGAIN :) Cheers! --Tom 18:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Please, no higher standard for ANYBODY, be they a POLE, GREEK or JEW. The way I am working these lists is I am looking at the person in question via POP UPS (awesome tool). If it says "Joe Blow was a Greek tight rope walker" done, he is in the list of Greeks. If is says he was an American tight rope walker of Greek descent, he goes in the Greek-American list, and so on and so on. Now this list is a little more tricky because the bios here DON'T say Joe Blow was a British-Jewish whatever, and it SHOULDN'T according to WP:MOSBIO. So we/I/you/whoever needs to SOURCE that the person in question is CONSIDERED to be Jewish. How do we do that??? I GIVE UP!! :) And again the guardian NEVER EVER EVER said CH=Jewish. It was a RAMBLING interview with CH, no more, no less. Anyways, what were we arguing here in the first place??? Cheers!! --Tom 17:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One more ramble now that I read the top definition again. If Christopher Hitchens says "I am Jewish, hear my voice" or whatever, fine, put him on the list. I am not of the camp to say he can't do that or can't be on this list no matter what, ect. OK, everybody had it with me now?? Good :) I am out! --Tom 17:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I assert that C.Hitchens is not a reliable source :-) Arniep 22:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A, you're being ironic, right?Incorrect 13:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. Just because someone is respected in certain areas, it doesn't mean they are reliable in all subject areas (genealogical history in this case). Arniep 17:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewishness

message: Sam Mendes was recently removed with the comment "Sam Mendes Source does not say that he was actually Jewish nor does it state his religion. Furthermore source must comply with guidelines in WP:RS not a blog etc.
To address the latter point first: The New York Times is not a blog. I cannot imagine the relevance of this remark.
To address the first point, as I understand it, this article is about people who are Jewish by ethnicity, not about religiously practicing Jews. If his mother was a Jew (which the article says), then he is a Jew. Jewish ethnicity is matrilineal. - Jmabel | Talk 22:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Furthermore source must comply with guidelines in WP:RS not a blog etc." Where does it say New York Times is a blog? New York Times says Mendes mother is Jewish. We do not have a source calling SAM MENDES himself as Jewish. We only have a source calling his mother Jewish. We need a reference that says Mendes is Jewish in order to add him. See more information here: Talk:Alexander_Grothendieck by User:Jack O'Lantern. Please read "Welcome to Famous Jews Interactive - the world's most entertaining and accurate resource of its kind. Why 'interactive'? Because YOU add new names, YOU vote for your favorites, YOU make this site special!" According to WP:RS, such site is not a reliable source any more than an interactive forum or blog or a wiki mirror. Also one should read the mission statement on this site . We don't use Jew Watch as a source either and for similar reasons. In order to add Mendes we need something that outright calls him "Jewish" and complies with WP:RS. 72.144.183.128 06:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The above is correct (as everyone who has worked on this page knows from what is outlined at the top of the page anyway, and hardly needs it explained again). Also noting - Jewish ethnicity is not matrilineal. Ethnicity/genetics are simply the same everywhere. Jewish religion is, however, matrilineal in some of the demoninations (i.e. unlike other religions, if you were not raised Jewish but your mother was Jewish, you are free to join the congregration without formally converting, while, say, if your mother or father were Catholic you have to convert to Catholicism if you were not raised Catholic), but that has nothing to do with anything but the Who is a Jew? article. As for Sam Mendes, we need sources that directly call Mendes Jewish. This,  is one. Mad Jack 06:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, I suppose so, but that's not even the case this time. We were clearly in a situation where the source just said "Jewish mother" and nothing else although, of course, we have since found a source that said Mendes himself is Jewish. In general, I haven't really seen any cases like the one you suggested where there wasn't a source somewhere that explicitly called the person Jewish. Mad Jack 05:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, this "criteria" is used in every list and article on Wikipedia. It's basic Wiki policy. There's not even, really, a point in having it at the top of this page. Mad Jack 14:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sam Mendes 

message: I am fascinated by the more-heat-than-light discussions that are attached to this page (and indeed many other pages with Jews/Israeli/anything-to-do-with-the-Middle-East content).
Why do we neeed this page at all?
We don't have a 'List of British Christians' or 'List of British Atheists' (do we?!)
I'd prefer the energy consumed on this page to be devoted to other articles. (But if you really enjoy the debates, then please keep enjoying them!) 
One other odd thing I noticed was several pages which are in this category, but the fact that they are Jewish is not even mentioned in the article! (Some of these people I know quite well - the fact that they are/are not Jewish is completely irrlevant to the reason they are in Wikipedia.) 
::::Johnbibby 11:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mainly, we have pages like this on minority groups. In general, the assumption when someone is described as "British" is that they are Celtic or Germanic ancestry. So it can be interesting to quite a few people to list Britishers who are not. - Jmabel | Talk 22:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why have this section at all?

message: Was he really British? I cannot find any source where it says that he lived in Britain.
Settembrini 00:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - I'll move him to the List of Czech Jews.--20.138.246.89 08:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Husserl 

message: Sandor is British? She was born in Hungary and lived in Canada, now US. When did she live in the UK and for how long? And since when are all "Holocaust survivors" Jews? 141.213.212.16 23:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anna Sandor

message: Given that this is a list of British Jews, personalities who spend some time in Britain, even a significant part of their life, cannot be added unless they can be defined as British through the British_nationality_law#Acquisition_of_British_citizenship. Therefore, for every personality who is born outside of Britain, and doesn't fulfill some method that could qualify for an acquisition of British citizenship, a reliable source must be given which refers to them as "British." List of British Asian people seems to be using this standard pretty well; it should be used as a guide, though I'm sure there may be some questionable entries there too. 141.213.212.16 00:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: British, British Citizen

message: I couldn't find sources for these, but maybe someone else can. 82.45.203.48 10:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Two more?

message: tutor2u.net links have been systematically spammed around Wikipedia by a single-purpose editor and they are now being cleaned up by WikiProject Spam volunteers. 
Aside from the conflict of interest and spamming issues, it's unclear whether tutor2u.net pages consistently meet the Verifiability Policy and the Reliable Sources Guideline.
I deleted the link from the David Ricardo entry to tutor2u.net. Another editor reverted my deletion. I have again deleted the tutor2u.net link, replacing it with a link to his biographical article in the History of Economic Thought at The New School for Social Research. (I forgot to sign in, so that edit shows up as an anonymous edit by 67.166.208.24.
Here are two other encyclopedia-quality references if desired:
* Biography, at the Concise Encyclopedia of Economics
* Biography at EH.Net Encyclopedia of Economic History
If there's a strong consensus here for the tutor2u.net link, then by all means delete the HET link and stick the tutor2u.net link back in. --A. B. (talk) 03:45, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Ricardo link 

message: "This page is a list of Jews.
For more on who is considered Jewish, see Who is a Jew?."
Compare with:
"The following persons from the United Kingdom are or were members of the Roman Catholic Church.
Membership does not necessarily indicate personal Christian faith."
Hmmm...
194.46.174.59 02:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Defintions

message: Add the politician Larry Sanders (and his politician son Jacob Sanders) to this list; Larry is the brother of U.S. politician Bernie Sanders, who is verifiably Jewish. Since they are all from the same family, logic dictates that they are Jews as well.  --WassermannNYC 13:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please feel free to do so.--20.138.246.89 16:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sander Family of Oxford 

message: Is there any reason why medicine is regarded as "Academic" rather than a profession? Millbanks (talk) 08:24, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: Hugh Montefiore was a Jew but converted to Christianity at the age of 15. It is quite absurd to list him as a Jewish theologian!82.36.94.228 (talk) 21:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Bishop?? 

message: I've been analysing the edit history for this article. Between 16 April 2005 and 30 May 2007, 29.8% of the edits (476 out of 1,598) were by sockpuppets of Poetlister/Runcorn, comprising: 1 by Simul8, 2 by Londoneye, 9 by Quillercouch, 26 by Runcorn, 39 by Brownlee, 45 by R613vlu, 91 by RachelBrown, 127 by 20.138.246.89, and 136 by Newport. User:Yehudi (another of the Poetlister/Runcorn sockpuppets) was still editing here as recently as September 2008.
All these accounts (and more) are now banned (see here and here), and the accuracy of all their edits is doubtful, to say the least. - Pointillist (talk) 00:52, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just noticed than a further 60 edits during that period were by Arniep (alias Gustav von Humpelschmumpel), also now banned for sockpuppetry. - Pointillist (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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message: The words "born to Jewish parents" no longer appear on his article after an edition. Is it sure that Tuck was of jewish ancestry? His parents (Stanley Lewis Tuck and Ethel Clara Baker) were actually Jewish or it is all a misunderstanding?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.99.89.51 (talk) 10:53, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
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message: ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.239.132 (talk) 00:51, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to NICK COHEN? born in Stockport so says wiki 

message: I just stumbled across this page and clicked on the Talk page out of curiosity, only to find argument and notably, a rejection of a number of well known people who are undoubtedly Jewish. It is apparently because they are sourced from the Jewish Year Book and, oddly, the moderators here don't regard this as a reliable source.
I have no personal knowledge on this subject and had not previously heard of the JYB, but looking at its Wikipedia entry (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Year_Book)
it would seem to be highly suitable for the purpose of "verifying" a person's Jewish.
If it is not reliable, shouldn't the page about the JYB be edited to say so, with a clear and reasonable explanation why ?  
Furthermore, it is asked many times for exact quotes from the JYB and the mod/editors don't have access to it, yet it would seem it is available on Google Books.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.208.32 (talk) 22:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I don't know the JYB and don't have an opinion on it. I just want to point out that the wiki article on JYB is not the place to discuss its reliability. The two options are: the talk pages for articles that might cite the JYB (like this one), and the reliability noticeboard WP:RSN. Zerotalk 00:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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