Talk:Pretty Hate Machine

message: I don't actually see any evidence that the 2005 release of Pretty Hate Machine by RykoDisc was actually a remaster of the previous releases (and not just a reissue). The only place it seems to be stated as such is Wikipedia (and other pages that quote Wikipedia) and according to discogs/NWNWiki it was just a reissue
http://www.ninwiki.com/Pretty_Hate_Machine
http://www.discogs.com/Nine-Inch-Nails-Pretty-Hate-Machine/release/752996
In fact it appears that the only version of Pretty Hate Machine that was not mastered is the original version (if the credits/discogs is anything to go by). Is there any clarification/evidence on this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.20.6.31 (talk) 11:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2005 Ryokodisc Remaster 

message: I added some "citation needed" tags to areas that lack them. Most of these are things repeated pretty frequently in fan circles, but that need reliable sources to verify. The one area that seemed a bit dubious was where it said he hired an outside musician to play drums. While that's true of most NIN releases, there's no drummer credited in the liner notes to PHM and the whole album (with the possible exception of Head Like a Hole) sounds like he only used a drum machine anyways. -Thonan (talk) 21:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outside Drummer 

message: Working nights at a recording studio cleaning toilets, Trent Reznor saved enough money to purchase time in a recording session. . The Trent Reznor article states he got free recording time because he was good at his job. Which is true? Which is substantiated? -- Jon Dowland 21:37, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  recording time 

message: What about the line in Tori Amos's Caught A Lite Sneeze:
Caught a lite sneeze
Dreamed a little dream
Made my own pretty hate machine
I think Tori also quoted another Reznor song or album.Sits69 14:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  On Little Earthquakes, song "Precious Things." Lyric begins "With them nine inch nails..." Trent also provides back up vocals on Under the Pink, song "Past the Mission". AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 14:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connections with Tori Amos? 

message: I moved Pretty Hate Machine to pretty hate machine per the primary source (the album itself).  Another editor has expressed concern that this is simply due to typeface, and so I have asked for opinions here.  It was always my understanding that the proper title was pretty hate machine.  Anyone have an idea on where to find a primary citation (the band referring to PHM directly, say on another album cover)?  /Blaxthos 03:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think you should've asked around... nin.com has it in all uppercase (showing it is a typeface thing). Allmusic is proper case and same for Pitchfork (both linked in the article's infobox). It's just a typeface - you'll also see on the same album cover the band name is also all lowercase (with the leading n backwards which is not their "normal" logo). — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 11:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not alter the namespace.  As per Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Album titles and band names: In band names and titles of songs or albums, unless it is unique (don't worry, nobody pays any heed to this disclaimer anyway), the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title and those that are not conjunctions (and, but, or, nor, for), prepositions (in, to, over), articles (an, a, the), or the word to when used to form an infinitive. Note that short verbs (Is, Are, Do) and pronouns (Me, It, His) are capitalized. Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art, though a redirect may be appropriate (for example, KoЯn redirects to Korn (band)). pretty hate machine should be a redirect, not the namespace. -- rynne 16:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: What is that on the album cover? Any articles out there about what Gary Talpas photographed? Steveprutz 19:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I linked to the ninhotline's page on Trent Reznor's Prodigy posts in the early 90s, but that got deleted for some reason. Directly from Trent:
"The cover of PHM is a photo of the blades of some sort of turbine stretched vertically so they would look somewhat like bones or a rib cage."
()  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.40.152.109 (talk) 00:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

text: I have never heard of the album being referred to as Halo 02, I think a source should be cited for that particular name, otherwise it's just some nickname that fans have given it, which shouldn't be in the first sentence of the article.JoeyFNK 14:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Each NiN release has a corresponding Halo number... has nothing to do with a nickname from fans.  See this list (amazon.com).  /Blaxthos 15:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cover design

message: Also, is there any official explanation of the title? The article would benefit. Steveprutz 19:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard of the album being referred to as Halo 02, I think a source should be cited for that particular name, otherwise it's just some nickname that fans have given it, which shouldn't be in the first sentence of the article.JoeyFNK 14:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Each NiN release has a corresponding Halo number... has nothing to do with a nickname from fans.  See this list (amazon.com).  /Blaxthos 15:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Album title meaning?

message: The position of the cover art is incorrect. The title of the album should not be on top but should be turned to the right.
Trilby*foxglove 19:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, in a strictly technical sense, you may be right, considering the normal orientation of a CD case. But if you take into account the CD package as a whole for this album, it seems to me that the case is meant to be turned on its side. If you open the CD case, turn it sideways and allow the CD tray to hang down, then the booklet and the tray card make one continuous piece. Also, the official Nine Inch Nails website has it oriented the same way as it is in this article, so that should serve as a pretty definitive source for the cover art orientation. meateebon 23:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong position of cover art

message: "Flyleaf covered "Something I Can Never Have" for the Underworld: Evolution soundtrack."
I can't confirm this. It's not on the US version at least. Is there a source for the reference? aeontriad (talk) 21:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Flyleaf Cover?

message: It looks like several articles linked on this page (The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times....) do not talk at all about Pretty Hate Machine !  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.198.181.15 (talk) 00:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Scroll down. Dan56 (talk) 00:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critics 

message: I'm pretty sure that Pretty Hate Machine was included in the list of 500 Greatest Albums by Rolling Stone.
76.123.177.103 (talk) 05:25, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums 

message: I removed the reference to Industrial Nation from the article because, as I recall, this was a mistake in a mid-nineties profile of the band, which made its way into the AllMusicGuide in the late 90s/early 00s. I remember hunting down this bit of info on alt.music.nin and from what I understand, there was a magazine called Industrial Nation that had an early interview with Trent Reznor, but it was most definitely not the name of his demo album. Reznor has throughout the years avoided labeling NIN as industrial -- that categorization sticks mainly as a result of the 1991 Spin "Industrial Revolution" issue where Trent famously derided Front Line Assembly.
Aha. Found the offending profile... a little later than mid-nineties - it's from the July 1998 issue of that paragon of music journalism, Circus Magazine - http://www.9inchnails.com/articles/behind-his-tortured-image.php 
 Leviathant (talk) 03:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Industrial Nation" as the predecessor to Pretty Hate Machine 

message: First off, I was always under the impression that "Purest Feeling" was a 'fan' given name to the "Pretty Hate Machine" Demos.  Second, the first paragraph of this article stats that some of the songs on "Pretty Hate Machine" come from this demo.  If you listen to those demos, you will know this isn't true at all.  Third, I believe it's mentioned above that the 2005 reissue of "Pretty Hate Machine" is not remastered, yet it still says that it is. (IGR)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.166.23.133 (talk) 18:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Purest Feeling

message: That...doesn't seem right.Jasper420 02:38, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm changing it to how it is presented on a CD copy. Any objections, talk to me, and we'll sort it out.Jasper420 01:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The 1989 LP release had the previous cover; the one you replaced it with is basically a snapshot of that larger version, rotated. Dan56 (talk) 14:03, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I went with image of the CD release to justify my change. I dunno. In 1989, CDs were the more common form of release, no? Shall we put the LP cover down in the alternates?Jasper420 03:32, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure. Dan56 (talk) 03:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover Image 

message: What? What about him? What did this Jeff guy do, exactly?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.133.97.238 (talk) 10:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeff "Critter" Newell (track 11) What? 

message: Someone has significantly altered the dates on this article 2601:485:4100:6B40:B9C1:A6C8:709C:456F (talk) 06:29, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates incorrect