Talk:Randy Orton/Archive 3

message: ===Lead===
*"Orton's career in the WWE has included of him" - that doesn't read well.
**Reworded. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'll leave it as it is until you get back from work. Thanks for this at short notice. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry it took longer than expected. Busy week. LARA♥LOVE 20:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:GAC|GAC]] review 

message: *"Orton's career in the WWE has included of him" - that doesn't read well.
**Reworded. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: *"Before long, Orton signed a developmental deal with WWE and was sent to Ohio Valley Wrestling in Louisville where he rose quickly through OVW's ranks by becoming OVW Hardcore Champion." 
**"Before long" is vague and unencyclopedic.
***Removed. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Career

message: *Only three of the six listed years have a description listed with them. This should be consistent with all six.
**Removed the three descriptions. Davnel03 08:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'll leave it as it is until you get back from work. Thanks for this at short notice. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: World Wrestling Entertainment

message: *This section is borderline on the in-universe. It's got the disclaimer words, as I call them (face, heel, stable), but it still reads as real. I recommend some light tweaking of the prose.
:*I'll leave it as it is until you get back from work. Thanks for this at short notice. Davnel03 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2003: Evolution

message: *Why is the third paragraph between dividers (page width lines)?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LaraLove (talk • contribs). 
*:I have no idea. I have removed it until another edit can explain why its like this. Davnel03 08:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2004: Singles Star

message: *Still very in-universe until the second half.
** Davnel03 15:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006

message: *Seriously in-universe.
*Wikify the F-U move.
** Davnel03 15:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2007

message: *Watch out for weasel words.
*This section is too stubby. Rework into paragraphs and tweak the prose for flow.
**Attempted to rework it, but still migh need a few minor tweaks. Davnel03 15:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal life

message: *All references need to be consistently foramtted, with all available information included. WP:CIT may be helpful.
**Done, I think. Davnel03 12:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry it took longer than expected. Busy week. LARA♥LOVE 20:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I'm noticing more issues as I go through it this time. 
*The lead needs the addition on information from the controversy and personal section.
*The first sentence under 2002 doesn't specify when. The source states 2001.  
*In the second paragraph of 2003, The Game is mentioned as if it is common knowledge that it is a nickname for Triple H, but it is not.
*The 2003 section and those that follow still read very in-universe.
*Be sure that terms and their formatting are consistent. Spelling and capitalization too.
*The controversy section still contains weasel words. It needs to be rewritten in a more NPOV.
*Somebody needs to find out something about the hypermobile disorder.
I corrected many issues as I found them, but article writing isn't so much my thing, so I wasn't able to correct everything. Very good work so far; I think it will be ready within a few days if work continues as it has in previous days. Unfortunately, there are still too many issues for this article to achieve GA at this time. For that reason, I am failing putting the nomination on hold. Once the issues are addressed, the article may be renominated at WP:GAC. If you feel I have made this decision in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GA/R. Regards, LARA♥LOVE 18:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA On Hold

message: All issues have not been addressed and some new ones have come up. The newly added copyright image needs to be removed. Copyrighted images of living persons do no not qualify for fair use in most cases because free versions are available or can be made. Also, there is an image from commons that has been nominated for deletion as who ever granted permission for use did not hold the copyright. Once these and the previously noted issues have been addressed, the article may be renominated at WP:GAC. If you feel I have reached this decision in error, you make seek remediation at WP:GA/R. Best regards, LaraLove♥ 18:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: ok, he spit in harley race's face. I don't see the impact of that move now, although it may have made a real scene. I want to know what importance it has, if any, and why it is placed before the Shawn Michaels feud, when it happened a year later.--Screwball23 talk 17:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I too was wondering why that was there. At first I thought I might have deleted some part of the article, but I went back to read it out and it was stated like that. But it does have an impact (my opinion) of him out beating all these legends. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  harley race line 

message: Afterwards, the long-running feud was settled with a final high-stakes match at Armageddon 2005. The Undertaker lured Randy Orton to a match at Armageddon, offering to place his retirement at stake. On December 16th, The Undertaker entered the ring to deliver a promo, when one of his signature entrance druids stayed put in the ring. Confused, The Undertaker was RKO-ed in a surprise attack by Randy Orton. The druid revealed himself to be Orton's father, giving Randy the Undertaker's urn (which, in storyline terms, allowed whoever held it to control the Undertaker). The newly-acquired urn gave Orton a special advantage at the upcoming pay-per-view, which could allow him to beat an already submissive Undertaker. However, at the match at Armageddon, The Undertaker overcame the odds, beating both Randy Orton and Bob Orton in a Hell in a Cell match. The match ended their nine-month-long feud, making The Undertaker the outright victor in Randy's Legend vs. Legend-Killer matches.[36]
This paragraph is difficult to write correctly. What was the story regarding the final Hell in a Cell match? Was it billed as the official one to end all matches? What part did the urn play in controlling the Undertaker? Was it present in the match itself? And was the retirement at stakes, or was it only a lure? If retirement wasn't at stake, was it called a Legend vs. Legend Killer match?--Screwball23 talk 22:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this help? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really.--Screwball23 talk 15:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Right here's the run up to it (the way I remember it):
Undertaker returned at Survivor Series after Orton set the casket on fire at No Mercy. On a SD! Special two nights after Survivor Series, Orton attacked 'Taker, RKO'ing him.  Orton rammed Undertaker into the titrotron, while Taker was in Eddie Guerrero's lo-rider. Undertaker then made the hell in a cell match. Orton then said he was going to "retire", before a druid came out with a urn (like what Paul Bearer use to do). Orton attacked Taker as he was put of by the druid. Orton vicously attacked Taker. Taker then won at Armageddon.
Hope that helps. Davnel03 16:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  anybody know? 

message: While the article has many references, it is still considered underreferenced because particular facts are not accounted for. I've placed  tags in all areas that will most likely be noted as "unreferenced" in a thorough GA/FA review. I'm sure I missed a few. This will help us pinpoint the references we need to obtain. Please only remove a tag after the information it applies to has been properly sourced. Note: In some instances, it may seem as though the "citation needed" tag appears before a sentence (because in a few cases the tag appears as the first thing on a line), but in all cases, I have indeed placed the tags BEHIND the sentence that needsd to be referenced, so make sure you are looking at the right thing.
I realise that in some instances it will be hard for us to obtain references but lets try our best to knock these out. 
Thanks, --Naha|(talk) 19:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's all try and very best to reference everything! :) Davnel03 19:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've referenced virtually everything up to 2006. Davnel03 20:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Outstanding! --Naha|(talk) 00:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All the fact tags have gone!- bar one. Can somebody attempt to source this statement in the 2006 section:
However, as Eddie's death had occurred only months previously, many fans felt the comments were unwarranted and highly distasteful. Thanks. Davnel03 11:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I added some; but not sure if those are the ones the fans felt about. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as a fan myself, I thought all comments he made during that storyline were "unwarranted and highly distasteful" but I don't count. I think a valid source regarding negative fan reaction to any of that plot would be sufficient--Naha|(talk) 20:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I was reading the article and saw this 'Orton was rightly given the gimmick of a Legend Killer, an outstanding young star with the potential to defeat and humiliate the legends of wrestling history.' in the introduction section. It dosnt really sound that neutral to me. SimonD 12:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral PoV 

message: I spent some time working on this article today.  My biggest concern (which is small) is the mention of The Game.  There is no clarification to indicate who this refers to.  I wasn't sure of the best way to do this, but I think it would help. GaryColemanFan 18:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Triple H/The Game 

message: It says here that they either are getting married on Sep. 13 or the 21st. Should this be noted? Zenlax 1:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: About? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Do you have a source? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Married or not 

message: This passage does not belong on this article. This is simply a claim by a single internet journo that has been denied by all internal WWE sources as well as Randy's father Bob Orton. Wikipedia's job isn't to report baseless rumormongering.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vwwe (talk • contribs) 04:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempted Suicide 

message: Well, I added a table with all legends killed. I modeled the table after Undertaker's on his article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Undertaker#Championships%20and%20accomplishments). Tell me if you like it or not. Thanks, Lex94 16:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the point in having the table and the other info in his In wrestling section? And when did Rated-RKO "kill" the legend of DX? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:43, 01 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, there is a similar list that is referenced in the In wrestling section.  Let's pick one and stick with it.  DrWarpMind 01:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Was his match with Orton a Legend vs Legend Killer match? I personally think the table should go. There's not that much room in his Championship and Accomplishments section. But, again that's all me. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:36, 02 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, his profile on WWE.com doesn't mention Rey as a legend that he "killed". So its not worth adding. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:47, 03 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Legend Killer

message: This article seems to have an overabundance of pictures. I fail to see the reason for two pictures of Rated-RKO. The tag team was only around for about a half a year. This is all just my opinion of course. Any thoughts? Gavyn Sykes 19:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Gavyn on the two Rated-RKO pics. The one that should stay would probably the one with them as the Tag champs. But that's just me. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:49, 01 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Are there any objections to removing the pic of Orton and Edge in the ring and moving the pic of them with the tag belts to the former's position? If not, I'll make the change tomorrow. Gavyn Sykes 22:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Seriously what's the point in having 2 Rated-RKO pics? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:49, 02 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, what is your objection, Lifestroke? Why do you object? Gavyn Sykes 23:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Two pictures of the same thing in one article aren't really needed. Lots of pictures =/= good article. Gavyn Sykes 15:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After looking over the article again, I think it may be a better idea to keep the picture of Rated-RKO without the titles. The pic of them as tag champs is really gritty and a bit hard to see properly. Any thoughts? Gavyn Sykes 22:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess you're right Gavyn. I think all the images we have are more clearer. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:16, 07 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Since no one has objected (and they had every too) I've gone ahead and removed the picture of them with the belts. Gavyn Sykes 02:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

text: You did, yes. But you didn't provide any good reasoning as to why the pic should stay. "I don't see the point" doesn't really cut it. Then the conversation continued and you remained silent. Gavyn Sykes 02:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And not a sufficient objection. The vote was 2-1. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:48, 07 October 2007 (UTC)

text: That's exactly my point - the conversation did not continue. You never replied and no one else voiced any objections whatsoever. Your reasoning for not removing the picture is unsound, so I went ahead and did it. It's been several days. However, I'll go alert this project to this issue and we should get a few more opinions. Gavyn Sykes 03:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

text: That picture is owned by WWE.«»bd(talk stalk) 13:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, each picture needs to be unique. Him just being at a show doesn't really cut it, as that's generally what the infobox image is. One for a tag team partner, championship, stable, etc, are fine, but images for the sake of them is bad (which I'll admit I"ve been guilty to at times). Mshake3 16:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many pictures?

message: This just came to me, and I was wondering if it's worth mentioning that Orton is the first man to win the WWE Championship, after winning the World Heavyweight Championship, everyone else seems to do it in reverse order, first holding the WWE Title (HHH, HBK, Undertaker, Angle, Edge), then they go onto hold the WWE Championship. Doesnt matter if you dont, I just thought it was kinda cool.
Peace 220.235.118.239 04:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE Championship after World Championship 

message: Just these corrections for the list:
*Shawn Michaels was before Stone Cold Steve Austinl; so they need a switch. 
*Harley Race is not on the list. Yet, he should after he was spat in the face by Randy on Raw. 
*Sgt. Slaughter's legend was "killed" in the very first Legend vs. Legend Killer match the night after Survivor Series 2003, so he should be placed after Stone Cold. 
*The Dudleys were the first legends to be defeated. Randy said it himself on Raw. He began using the term LEGEND KILLER after pinning all three Dudleys. 
*Right after Rob Van Dam, Randy Orton pinned Tommy Dreamer on ECW. He should be on the list. 
*Triple H's legend was defeated at No Mercy, in a Last Man Standing match for the WWE Championship.
*D-Generation X's legend was defeated twice at Cyber Sunday 2006 and NYR 2007
Hope someone sees to these fast. Lex94 04:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe these corrections might help. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:07, 08 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legends Defeated 

message: 2 or 3 times now, since No Mercy? It says "2 times, current" on the article page but he gained it twice in one night, and it's been acknowledged as HHH's sixth reign also.--Dlae 11:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Link the three pages then. Mshake3 15:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  1st Reign (World Heavyweight, 2nd Reign (WWE Championship), 3rd Reign (WWE Championship). Hope this helps. Bmg916Speak 16:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And only two are from the linked page I asked about. How frickin hard is it for you people (codysockeye) to understand that there are two different world titles? Mshake3 16:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that was uncalled for. Please be a bit more civil. The Hybrid T/C 11:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: He's listed two times in the championship history on WWE.com so that's good enough for me. This is no different than what happened with Andre the Giant and Yokuzuna reigns. Andre was champion for less than a minute and Yokuzuna's wasn't much longer, yet both reigns are part of WWE canon.Odin's Beard 22:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE Championship reign 

message: Someone put in "DarthRandalsxe" as a WWE Legend. I'm sure this should be removed.
:It has been removed. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DarthRandalsxe? Legend?

message: I honestly don't know why, but the source is coming up as a huge orange box at the bottom of the page. I have no clue how to fix it. Gavyn Sykes 03:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference 123