Talk:Pan Am Flight 7

message: I have looked at this crash and many other Stratocruiser accidents, and I have guessed happened. The engines may have failed and leaked carbon monoxide, while the crew was preparing to ditch due to the engine failiures. Be in mind that this is a guess and not the actual story.--707 (talk) 03:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an interesting hypothesis.  If you can find a reliable third-party source putting forth this idea, it might be possible to include it in the article.  Otherwise, sadly, it's just "original research" and not eligible for inclusion according to Wikipedia's policies.  Richwales (talk) 04:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The most common source of CO was in fact faulty cabin heaters that burned aircraft fuel and which were subsequently found to have caused a number of accidents that were the result of pilot and crew incapacitation due to carbon monoxide poisoning. IIRC, a number of DC-4 accidents were the result of this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.18.161 (talk) 09:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

text: Mark, yes, mentioning just about all of those other cases to postulate a possible cause of this accident would, indeed, be original research.   However, similarities with other accidents in the same type of aircraft is already mentioned in the "aircraft" section, including Flight 6, Flight 202, and others under the description of problems with runaway propellers.  RecycledPixels (talk) 19:13, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Probable Cause

message: The article on the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser has this uncited information regarding this particular flight ...
"There is speculation that two passengers had a motive to bring the plane down. Eugene Crosthwaite, a 46-year-old purser, had shown blasting powder to a relative days prior to the flight, and had cut a stepdaughter from his will only one hour before the flight. William Payne, an ex-Navy demolitions expert, had taken out large insurance policies on himself just before the flight, and had a $10,000 debt he was desperate to pay off. The insurance investigator later suspected him of never being on the plane. His wife received at least $125,000 in payouts."
Is there any basis to that? 
--23.119.204.117 (talk) 23:57, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: From my investigation, there is only one credible source of the accusations of Eugene Crosthwaite, based upon that reporter's searches of the Pan American Airlines archives.  The name never made the newspapers and everything you see about him stems from that one source.   I've minimally mentioned the theory in my most recent revision of the article, limiting the coverage to the fact that Pan Am suspected him, but the FBI did not see any link.  The primary source mentioned that he was suicidal and erratic, but failed to mention that his wife had died a month before Pan Am Flight 7, so that could have explained some things.   It could also explain the writing out of his deceased wife's daughter from his will shortly before the flight.   So I'd be cautious about mentioning Crosthwaite too much.  The other, person, William Payne, was more widely reported across multiple sources, so I have included more information about him, but investigators never tied him to the crash, even though his body was never recovered.  RecycledPixels (talk) 07:31, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

text: I wasn't referring to the book, which I have not seen, I was referring to a 2017 article in Air & Space magazine by the same author of that book.  From what I could tell, the magazine generally seems like a reliable source, but the article's conclusions as to the cause of the crash struck me as too speculative and without supporting evidence.  Perhaps there is more solid evidence presented in the book.  RecycledPixels (talk) 01:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sabotage? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Closing per WP:SNOW. This is also clearly not appropriate while the article is today's Featured Article. As a non-admin closer, I have never voted in any discussions regarding the naming dispute, either on this article, or others, and consider myself not involved. Anyone is free to revert the close if they deem my closure improper.  (non-admin closure) Seloloving (talk) 08:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I did mention that "Pan Am" is more commonly used and is distinguishable from other airlines but there was no such thing abbreviation known as "Pan Am" at the time of these accidents and is clearly incorrect to be used. WP:COMMONNAME should only be applied wherever appropriate. That's also why I haven't requested every Pan Am accident here to be moved. At most, if an abbreviation is required, use PAA but not "Pan Am" for these accidents. Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq (talk) 07:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

text: And to add further, I absolutely support the move to Pan Am since, that's how the airline last branded itself. Here, the airline did not brand itself at all "Pan Am" in the 1950's but instead "Pan American World Airways". Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq (talk) 10:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 26 May 2022 

message: Why is The Purser not mentioned in the "insurance" section? But they are mentioned in 377's list of accidents 49.184.173.249 (talk) 23:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Lack of reliable sources.  See discussion above in the "Sabotage?" section. RecycledPixels (talk) 00:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  insurance section