Talk:Computer graphics

message: As of July 22 2008, the history section reads:
"One of the first displays of computer animation was Futureworld (1976), which included an animation of a human face and hand — produced by Ed Catmull and Fred Parke at the University of Utah."
This is not a very good summary of the development of the field!  Who were the pioneering researchers?  What did they accomplish?99.233.198.118 (talk) 14:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History needs improvement 

message: Since User:Trevorgoodchild copied the existing article to Computer graphics (computer science) I have reconstructed a new article here, based on the Topics list of the new Portal:Computer graphics by User:Dhatfield. Now off cause I only made a draft for a new start here. I hope this works out well. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 20:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The whole article rewritten 

message: There have happend two administrative irregularities to this page in the last day:
# First User:Trevorgoodchild copied the whole content to the Computer graphics (computer science), when I think, he should have moved the whole page inclusive the history.
# Second user:99.233.198.118 repeatedly wants to remove the content of this talk page. 
Now the third irregularity is that I reintroduced a whole new article here, in a few hours after Trevorgoodchild removed the whole content. 
I think we should ask an administrator for some help here. Maybe he/she can
# First revers the latest edits to this article, and Trevorgoodchild creation of the new article Computer graphics (computer science)
# The move this whole article inclusive history and talk page to the Computer graphics (computer science) article 
# And then reinstate my new article here.
-- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 12:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, a cut-and-paste move!  If only us regular users could carry out our own  requests, User:Trevorgoodchild could fix it up easily... I guess an administrator is needed now though.  --tiny plastic Grey Knight ⊖ 13:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I think it is all right like this. Now the content of the current talk page isn't moved to Computer graphics (computer science) which I think is ok, because in essence all previous discussing was concerning computer graphics. I don think some of the discussion here can be archived. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 14:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you need the talk page moved too I can do that, but since the talk belongs to both articles it might be confusing. Perhaps just an indication of when the page was moved would suffice (plus some judicious archiving as you suggest). EyeSerenetalk 14:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I have added a message. Is this what you meant!? -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 14:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me ;) EyeSerenetalk 14:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The box at the top of the comments page starting with "This article is within the scope of the following WikiProjects:" needs to be moved to Computer Graphics (computer science) as well, since this page is no longer about the subfield of computer science.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.198.118 (talk) 17:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks for asking first. You are partly mistaken here. I think both articles should be taged with the same tag, but this is something the WikiProject determine themselve. Now I run the WikiProject system, and definitly wants this article within the scope of the WikiProject Systems. If you question the existence of the other templates, you should ask these WikiProjects. This is simply not for you to decide. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 17:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administrative irregularities 

message: I haven't been around much recently and when I came here it blew me away. Your work here is absolutely brilliant. Dhatfield (talk) 03:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks very much. I ought to thank you. In the first edit summary I stated, see here: "Whole new article, a start - based on the Topics list of the new Portal:Computer graphics by User:Dhatfield". The redesign of this article is based on your overview of computer graphics. So if you have some more ideas about this please let me know. I for example noticed that the German article here is featured. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 09:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The attribution was seen and appreciated, but your effort to bring together diverse summaries and images renders the portal obsolescent - which is ideal. I'm reading up on lighting and rendering so that I can contribute more to the sub-articles with images and text. I don't read German, so I'm afraid I can't help there - some of the best map creators were on .de. Captain Blood comes to mind, pity he is inactive. German Wikipedia Maps still beats the pants off the English resources. Dhatfield (talk) 04:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Brilliant, Marcel

message: *Snap (computer graphics) --Jerome Potts (talk) 05:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing buzzwords 

message: This article is started as a draft version on User:Mdd/Computer graphics. This copy-paste registration there:
* In this first edit text was copy/pasted from the 2D computer graphics, Pixel art, Vector graphics, 3D computer graphics, image, Pixel, Graphics, Rendering, 3D projection, Ray tracing, Shading, Texture mapping,  and Volume rendering articles.
* In this edit text was copy/pasted here from the 3D modeling article.
* In this edit text was copy/pasted here from the Computer graphics (computer science) article.
* In this edit text was copy/pasted here from the Charles Csuri, Donald P. Greenberg and A. Michael Noll article.
Further copy-paste registration here in this article:
* In this edit text is copy/pasted from the Graphics 
-- Mdd (talk) 12:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy-paste registration 

message: In the history section a similar situation has taken place. The inital text could be closely paraphrased. Also here the article has been changed even more in the past 16 months, see here. Most of these edits have been made by User:Instantaneous, see here April 2009.
I noticed that two phrase has stayed the same:
* "would help shape the early computer and computer graphics industries", and
* "by releasing the IBM 2250 graphics terminal, the first commercially available graphics computer".
I will add quotation marks there and let it be. 
-- Mdd (talk) 21:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the history section 

message: Interesting quotes about computer graphics CG possibly for further enhancement of this article: 
* "The purpose of a computer graphic is just the same as a manually produced illustration: the aim is to provide a visual representation either to enhance or replace textual information. A computer graphic can be a drawing, a painting, a scanned image, a photograph, a diagram, model or a combination of any of these pictural forms".
** Carol Elston (2007) Using ICT in the primary school, p.52. 
Comment: If I am correct there is no general agreement that any drawing, painting, scanned image, or photograph should be considered a CG...!? -- Mdd (talk) 23:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes about computer graphics 

message: Interesting quotes about computer graphics from PD sources:
* Computer graphics aid public understanding through simplification of data or alteration of images. Computer-generated graphics show tables, graphs, diagrams, or charts in dramatic and understandable ways. They become part of printed reports and are shown on computer screens or television monitors. They can incorporate videos or video simu lations of proposals, programs, or projects. 
** Source: COMPUTER PRESENTATIONS AND SIMULATIONS United States Department of Transportation. 
* Why are they useful? 
** Computer-generated images provide information in a stimulating, visual way. Images are more effective, immediate, and powerful than words in conveying a message. Visual images are universally understood and help surmount language barriers. Whether people are computer-literate or not, they readily respond to the visual images of computer presentations. With an image at hand, discussion among members of the community and relevant public agencies moves beyond conjecture to more substantial issues and concerns. (See Americans with Disabilities; Ethnic, Minority, and Low-income Groups.) 
** Computer presentations and simulations enhance interactive communication. Images are used to accommodate and incorporate community suggestions over a series of meetings. Com munity leaders explore "what if" scenarios and investigate the potential for change. Geographers at the University of Illinois have developed GIS systems for use by county planners. The system employs an interactive planning system that coordinates related information. On a computerized county map, users gain access to detailed maps or photographic images of a site. They sketch in suggestions and make copies of images, attaching text, audio, or graphic annotations. Users’ suggestions are then compared directly to the original image. 
** Computer images convey complex information in easily-digested segments. Individualized pieces of data on demographics or economic impacts can be turned into graphics for participants to discuss. They can present environmental and æsthetic impacts. Simulations can give a bird’s-eye, pedestrian’s, or passenger’s view, standing still or in motion. 
** Showing a potential facility in a familiar context enhances understanding. Digitized photographic images help overcome misconceptions and serve as a check against distortion or misrep resentation by either promoters or critics. Digitized before-and-after photos have been used by the Connecticut Department of Transportation (DOT), the New York State DOT, and the Massa chusetts Highway Department to demonstrate how high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes would look if applied in specific corridors. The Finnish National Road Administration has used this technique in developing its master plan for Helsinki. 
** Source: COMPUTER PRESENTATIONS AND SIMULATIONS United States Department of Transportation.
Comment: There is some more interesting general information in that US DOT COMPUTER PRESENTATIONS AND SIMULATIONS document. Unfortunately it is looks a lot like wishfull thinking... It maybe would be nice to go look for scientific research results here? Just filtering real info from this text might be an other option. -- Mdd (talk) 22:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some quotes from PD sources 

message: The images at the top of article are hardly suitable for the heading of the field of computer graphics. The first is a screenshot of Blender, a much latter development based on early research in the field. It is neither the first nor the most widely used in the field. The software is not described, nor its purpose, making it illegible to the lay reader. The second is a complex mathematical example from 4 to 3 to 2 dimensions that requires the reader to follow three links to unknown terms. A good wikipedia article for an entire field is one in which a reader outside the field would have some hope of understanding from the examples provided. Images should be foundational, simple, and descriptive of the field, which these are not. Better examples might be Turner Whitted's raytraced spheres, or simply the RGB structure of digital images.
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thread_title:  Inappropriate heading images? 

message: While he had an important effect (started Blender), Ton Roosendaal doesn't seem in the same category as the other pioneers - his first experience in computer graphics appears to be 1989. There are tons of (generally more important) people that predate him: Lance Williams, Frank Crow, Pat Hanrahan, Paul Heckbert, Marc Levoy, on and on. "Pioneer" to me means before 1980 at latest. I would remove Ton's name, and in fact will now do so. Feel free to add him back, but explain why. Erich666 (talk) 05:31, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  True pioneer? 

message: From a practical, real world perspective, omitting this and other major industrial contributions seems odd. Same comment, re: lack of description, business "sectors" with historic and continuing benefit from CG (science and scientific imaging, film/entertainment, etc.).  LeProf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.245.235 (talk) 04:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  No ILM, etc. in article on CG? 

message: Hello: The phrase was coined by computer graphics researcher William Fetter of Boeing in 1960.
This is not more correct. Because William Fetter himself corrected in an article somewhere in the net this information, some time after 2012. I know to find the source and try to correct it with a source. - --Maxim Pouska (talk) 19:20, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The phrase was coined by computer graphics researcher William Fetter of Boeing in 1960. 

message: Hello - The quote is complet with the sentence: Fetter has said that the terms were actually given to him by Verne Hudson of the Wichita Division of Boeing. Hudson was his supervisor at Boeing. Boeing Man  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxim Pouska (talk • contribs) 08:17, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: PS I prefer to write it in this combination. This makes it easier for new readers of the articels. Readers now have a comparison with other sources. (maybe)--Maxim Pouska (talk) 08:58, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  1960s Fetter has said ... 

message: Hello
I am not sure, but I find nothing via google about Sujit Shetty.
It was added to Further reading.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 05:25, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see it at Worldcat either. I'll remove it. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:26, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sujit Shetty :Computer Graphics 4th edition 

message: Hello, ,  in the part - Pioneers in computer graphics - you find: Aaron Marcus.
 
This looks for me like an Advertising and PR for the company: Aaron Marcus and Associates, Inc.
I find nothing what this man make to a pioneer.  In addition, nothing to find that hi need to stay at this place of honor.
Look at William Fetter, Graphic Designer starting 1958 at Boeing, coining the word Computer Graphics Design with his team, and with much more credits to his name. That’s a place for Fetter – a real pioneer.
Aaron Marcus is a teacher and something else but never a pioneer. I am sorry but this my 2 cents. This need to be deleted because of WP:COI and A, B, C.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 17:11, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, I waited 18 days for some commentary. Now I delete the text about Aaron Marcus at this place.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 14:47, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aaron Marcus - this is PR and advertising for a company 

message: you edited : Computer graphics are pictures and movies created using computers, such as CGI - Question: did you mean a company which build computers with the name CGI? If I do a search via google then I don't find a company at the first pages. Can you please fix it or can I do it? CGI is now used for Computer-generated imagery and etc. I remember the computers by Silicon Graphics International (SGI). Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 06:23, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello   I delete this words in some days. Best. --Maxim Pouska (talk) 13:15, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, so I went ahead and deleted them.  Jason Scott (talk) 02:55, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  did you mean a company which build computers with the name CGI? 

message: Hello
the difference between a company and a organizations is? The organizations is not a company. This part of the article need to be cleaned and the companies deleted or moved. Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 23:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important organizations are not companies - companies deleted or moved 

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message: Tamás Waliczky is not a pionier - I don't find no citation for this. OK, he is an artist in Medias and has an artikel on WP. I undo it.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 16:18, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tamás Waliczky is not a pionier citation for this are missing. 

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thread_title:  Nomination of [[:Portal:Computer graphics]] for deletion 

message: I feel that history should have its own article, and be replaced here with a summarization. This is a very large topic and can be expanded upon much further, which makes me think it could be seperate from this article. Thoughts? Coulomb1 (talk) 23:07, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving history to new article?