Talk:Juggalo/Archive 1

message: Alright guys, this article is probably the worst written one I have ever seen and I've decided to fix it up for everyone. It's taken a while to re-write the entire article with almost no background or experience with Juggalos (I even hate ICP), so please try to stick to the format given. Also, don't revert the article, as the article in its past states could be up for the chopping block. Every other subculture has a well-written article and this is no different.
Also, when you go to edit new things into this article, keep in mind that this is a non-biased informational resource and is not a place to promote Juggalism. Articles containing bias and points of view are either edited or deleted. Thanks for your patience, guys. --Matharvest 20:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
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thread_title:  IMPORTANT NOTICE, READ FIRST 

message: The following section used to be in the article for horrorcore.  Since there is an article on Juggalo already, I removed that material and placed a simple "see also" link.  Since the article here seems to provide useful information already, I figured it'd be better to make the material removed from the other page available here in case anybody wants to use it.
There is a rising sub-culture from the horrorcore genre, especially among Insane Clown Posse fans, known as "Juggalo" (females known as "Jugalettes"). Its members take after the image of many of their favorite bands that fit the dark hip hop music genre known as horrorcore, implementing evil clown make-up and black street clothing. Adoption of many Goth, Death Punk and Black Metal clothing and style is common, and the lifestyle of street gangster is taken on in a whole new way. Some individuals come up with their own sinister nicknames (sometimes their peers do this alternatively) after the likes of names such as "Violent J", or some simply go by "Juggalo/Juggalette [insert name here]". Technically this term means someone who is free from routine, expectations, although still promoting benevolence and and family-feeling among Juggaloes. Also perhaps believers in The Dark Carnival new-age mythology.
--Dachannien 17:17, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material edited from [[Horrorcore]] 

message: I hope I'm not offending anyone here, but in the interests of NPOV, shouldn't the rabidness of some ICP fans be mentioned? When Something Awful did their "Truth Media" article on ICP, then showed off the resulting flame mail from Juggalos, well, some of them have to be seen to be believed. Granted that the people who made these flames would probably be considered 'Sheep' or 'Hound Dogs' (as per the terminology in this article). SA is currently down due to Hurricane Katrina, so here is a Wayback Machine link to the flame mail and one to an ICQ transcript--DooMDrat 11:38, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
*I won't deny the fact there are some people who like to use the term "Juggalo" unsparingly. These are what we call "Juffalos". Only the true ninjas like me use it in the right situations since I'm not so quick to use it.--Kingdoms united 2004 01:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad fans... 

message: The Juggalo Terms section seems to be lacking in general.  It should definately be expanded or possibly removed and just point people to the resource with a more complete list.
Origins should include reference to first usage of the term in a song perhaps.
I am truly ashamed with no mention of the Gathering of the Juggalos on a page devoted to juggalos and juggalo culture.
***
I am also surprised there is no mentioning of the Gathering here. Especially considering that's one of the first things you hear about in a conversation with Juggalos. Also, Hallowicked really should be brought up.
SLS 10/28/05
"Juggalo Pride has led to the idea that there is a strong gang mentality in the Juggalo community, to the point where Juggalos are considered actual gang members. As a result, several splinter groups have followed the gangster approach and have appeared in newspaper editorials which explain the social detriment Juggalism has on its followers. Juggalos universally dismiss these individuals on the grounds that they are missing the point completely"
What does "appeared in newspaper editorials mean"? Did gangster juggalos write an editorial?--24.94.190.136 19:16, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juggalo Terms & other suggestions 

message: "After the release of their fourth album The Great Milenko, ICP found themselves caught in an updraft of popularity caused by issues with their record label Hollywood Records, which is owned by Disney."
Could somebody elaborate, please? TheMadBaron 22:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "caught in an updraft of popularity caused by issues".... 

message: I'm a new user on this site and have just edited this page. I did not change any information in the article, just elaborated on the Hollywood Records/Disney issue. I was also looking to edit the first paragraph to make it a little less confusing and more professional in appearance, but I'm still trying to word it without sounding biast. As soon as I get it right I will post it. If you don't like it feel free to change it back.
k
: I think they're good edits. (I'm still not sure about that "updraft of popularity, though....) Two things - 1) could you explain "Behind the Paint" for those of us who don't know what it is (a documentary?), and 2), please sign your comments on these talk pages. Welcome aboard. TheMadBaron 22:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elaboration 

message: I've updated the Origins section to further explain ICP's surge of popularity and also the part about Behind the Paint for any more info. on Insane Clown Posse's Origins, follow one of their links, as they have their own arcticle.Juggalicious 00:46, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins Update 

message: I'm thinking about moving this topic in the main article to the Juggalo Terminology bit, in case anyone objects. I understand it isn't used by Juggalos in any way but I'm looking for a second opinion in any case.--Kingdoms united 2004 14:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghetto Goths 

message: Wikipedia articles are not fan web pages, and should not read like them.  I am going to clean a few things up, and make this a bit more NPOV.  --Xyzzyplugh 14:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is badly POV 

message: i spoke with my husband about it(whos been a juggalo for about 10 years) and he's told me that the whole thing is not true. i may not be a juggalette, but i know that this article about it is wrong because it sounds as if they're making it seem that the whole juggalo family is a cult or a religeous following...
Apparently, you can't read or type.  It suprises me none that it seems wrong to you.--pahsons 03:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  who wrote this s**t??? 

message: In it's current state has horrible, horrible factual discrepencies (Legacy?  Anyone with the remotest amount of subject matter knowledge would know that no such ICP album exists.)  In addition to its being one of the most terribly written pieces I've ever had this displeasure of laying my eyes on, it has extreme bias in the way it downplays the Juggalo point of view.  It seems most people want to show only one point of view (in other words, the non-Juggalo one).  Any non-Juggalo will downplay any Juggalo-written article as a "fanpage," but what kind of encyclopedic integrity would that be to NOT show the Juggalo side of things.
I'm going to write a brand new one, straight from scratch, with a completely neutral POV, and hopefully put an end to this stupid controversy once and for all.  Heck, I'm even going to bring it to a college professor to verify its neutrality and hopefully get some tips etc.
I'm rather sick of non-Juggalos writing articles on "Juggalo," when these people have absolutely no knowledge exept for their own mostly baseless preconceptions. 66.58.196.67
*i am sorrie for being off topic adn i can under stand why people get confused because of lack of communication you want to know the truth about juggalos the truth the big question the secret nobody know wat a juggalo is and no one will ever know a juggalo is some one who is true to them selves and can be any one the proble here is not communication it is the fact that there are very few juggalo real ones it is a sub culture and it is a wide one at that so you have to look at it like this you have a huge sub cultur and in side that based on location that in side that sub culture you have more sub culture that is the big problem you have with defining a juggalo there are so meany different typs of us that it is sometimes hard for even us to determin the menning of the word juggalo and i am sorrie for not being objective on this page but we are very deffencive or our name and reputation  to those that wish to find out more about us the web is not the best place for that in order to find out more abuot us you must live among us because in order to truly know some one you must walk a mile in there shoes just know that the real juggalos the true family wants noting more than to live in peace and be free that is wat it is about thank you
**That's pretty much my point.  Detractors won't be happy until they have what essentially amounts to a watered-down definition of "Juggalo" here on Wikipedia.  Why they downplay the Juggalo subculture so vehemently is beyond me, but I can only assume a pre-existing discontent for Juggalos exists among them.  Nevertheless, I'm going to try, once again, to write a factual article, and one that contains the Juggalo POV and the common perception (or misconceptions, whatever the case maybe).  All written by a Juggalo, me.  After all, I don't expect a marine biologist to write an accurate article concerning quantum physics.  I wouldn't expect a fan of rap music to write about the punk subculture or gothic subculture.  So why these people expect (or want) non-Juggalos to write an article about the Juggalo subculture is, again, beyond my comprehension. - Brad 01:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article... 

message: Plain and simple, "juggalo" belongs on the ICP page (that is horribly in need of POV repair as well).  Dedicating an article to a music groups fan base that contributes nothing to society in general is asinine.  Google all you want, there is not a single site on the internet that describes anything note-worthy.  All you will get is hundreds of thousands of poorly designed geocities and myspace type pages.  
This is all that should be on the ICP article "A Juggalo is a fan of the Detroit rap group, Insane Clown Posse (ICP)."  That's it.
Let's end this Juggalo nonsense once and for all.
*If you'd read at the top, there was already a vote to delete it or not and it recived a no consensus result, meaning it stays.  As I have said before (many times and I'm feeling like a skipping record,) Juggalo is a sub-culture, with simularities of others.  As for Juggalo being non-contributing to society, you should check alot of news sites and video searches.  Even during the columbine shooting, it was rumored they were juggalos and they metioned an ICP song named "12 Sktizo."  Even though ICP has absolutely no song by that name.  So they have in fact had an impact on society.  Though in a negitive light as people don't understand it.  Oh and please sign your comments, it's kinda a rule on Wiki and it helps distinguish you from everything else. - ShinobiLo 07:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article Needs to be gone 

message: I've merged the article into this one. There is no reason these need to be seperate articles, and a lot of the explaination of what a Juggalo is in the Gathering article can be covered by this article.--Rosicrucian 14:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gathering of the Juggalos 

message: I've undone Mel Ettis' reversion of the article. When Mel reverted the article he didn't notice that the article was actually three articles that I'd merged, and the resulting revert did not undo the redirects on the merged pages. I've left a note on Mel's talk page explaining why his revert wasn't appropriate due to the merge, so hopefully we can avoid this in the future.
To clarify, if anyone feels the Dark Carnival and Gathering information don't belong here, please revert their respective articles so they don't redirect here before removing the information from the Juggalo article.--Rosicrucian 14:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge and subsequent Revert 

message: I originally found the ICP reference on the Faygo wikipedia entry. Mostly it seems to trace back to Faygo featuring prominently in ICP lyrics, and visual references to it can be seen on the Gathering website. The only other source I can find is UrbanDictionary, which certainly isn't acceptable to cite.
It's proving tricky to make this article informative enough while still sufficiently sourced to be a Wikipedia article.--Rosicrucian 22:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Found some better cites for it.--Rosicrucian 23:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's understandable, because personally alot of what I've come to know information wise was through just experiance of being a Juggalo.  So most of it's mouth to mouth info and citation is obviously difficult.  Now if there was a digital transcript of Violent J's Behind the Paint, alot of this would be much easier to cite and your everyday person isn't going to own a copy of it, so we can't really cite pages and chapters.  Oish... ShinobiLo 10:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faygo cite 

message: Has there been any academic/media attempt to understand Juggalo's or the subculture? Linking to that would provide some insight into the culture, as well as add legitimacy to the wikipedia page. I'm sure someone has dealt with it... maybe the Phoenix News piece (Confessions of an Ex-Juggolo): http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-05-10/music/confessions-of-an-ex-juggalo/
I think most of the people posting here have no idea what the hell they are talking about. There are violent people in every race, color, size, shape, and form. I have been a JUGGALO since the early 90's. It does not mean that I go and act out the shit I heard in the songs. The people stated above are simply just fucking nutballs. The same thing was done to every strange music icons from BLACK SABBITH putting subliminal messages in their music to Elvis being lewd for dancing the way he did. It's very easy to talk trash when your on the out side looking in. Your opinions are prejudiced, biased, and simple minded. This is being written by a successful juggalo that has a wife, children, and a respectable career. Furthermore, anyone who states that the music they listen to has affected their actions, is apparently a MENTAL MIDGET and is in need of a high dose of zan-x.
M.C.L.--JUGGALO-X
Wow i second that notion a juggalo is a way of life and its just a twisted way to say that we all suck ass and that our fuck-ups in life will come to bite us in the ass unless we get smart, say fuck off to the close-mindedness and iggnorance of this wicked world and better our life cause there is one goal in a true juggalo's heart and that is to go to shangri-la and whether they want to be dumb asses well fuck them and keep going on to better your life cause all that truely matters is getting up there and anyone who has something to judge well i got one thing to say how big is your demon chasing you and when HE comes again will you be able to accept it and truely say yeah i fucked up and well im GUILTY cause you (as my family puts it) cant bullshit someone who knows your a bullshitter. i guess being open-minded to a different perception of god is wrong but everyones idealism is right. FUCK OFF!!!!
MUCH CLOWN LOVE JUGGALOS & JUGGALETTES 
WHOOP WHOOP
  
  You know i dont relly use the computer that often i mean i dont even have one of those myspace things anyway i got on the computer tonite and i decided to look up what the computer had to say about juggalos.. the first discussion page i go to is talking about exatly what i feel inside.. so anyway, ive been a juggalo since 1986 "woop" "woop" so that would make me 22 yearsold  and honestly tonight some body asked me what the meaning of a juggalo was and just like always i couldnt give him a actual meaning of what it was so i got on the homies computer and i found the page before this and i was stoked to see that shaggy or jay idont know who said what but anyway so basically world what im trying to say is as long as you true to yourself and the people you care about no mater what stay true to your word or at least above all do what you know is right regaurdless whow or what tells you its wrong and if if you are a JUGGALO "woop" "woop" thanx alot mathu facku and mathu fackuettes fur putting something poative about da fam cause last time i got on a comp was lik 4 years ago and al ther was, was a whole lot of neg shitz and you know if any one who isnt a juggalo or lette were to actually get to know one of us youd find a whole knew meanig to the word juggalo.. honestly nevr mind once you stop being so serious and closed minded, what do you mean words can only mean won thing and nevermind im babling why are you  still reading stop      i thought tha was funny did YOU!!!
                              MUCH KLOWN LOVIN TO ALL THE MIDNIGHT TOKERS and what knot
                                                         M.C.L.
  "WOOP" "WOOP"                                                         form da no-town YA NINJA,
                                                                           Mr.E da 1 and onle  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.56.238 (talk) 03:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical Info 

message: Oppose. Merge has been proposed with no prior discussion and no statement of what the reasoning behind it is. Juggalo article also refers to an annual music festival which involves multiple Psychopathic recording artists, not just ICP. Juggalo subculture continues to receive media attention independant of ICP, particularly issues regarding self-proclaimed Juggalos and gang violence. ICP article is already large and fairly cluttered, and both articles would suffer from the merge.--Rosicrucian 00:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Proposal 

message: Why this article is such a lightning rod for vandalism I'll never know. The anonymous IPs I sort of expect, but ordinary registered users, who arguably ought to know better, seem prone to it too.--Rosicrucian 19:51, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's almost as if they think we wouldn't extend equal protection from vandalism to such an "unimportant" issue!  I for one treat all vandalism I see the same.  My guess as to its frequency is pop teen culture, where identifying oneself with a band or group is seen as sufficient excuse to mock or attack others.  Most of the vandalism I've seen to ICP related articles has been very sophomoric in tone, supporting this theory.  It's just kids being kids.  Kasreyn 20:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: pssst... they vandalize it because it is ridiculous to have an encyclopedia entry for a group of fans of a specific band.  I don't find a Boy George Fan Club entry anywhere on Wiki.  Why these guys?  Is it because they imitate the artist that they like?  Been done before.  Many times.  Is it because their counter-culture has been linked to violence?  The same could be said for fans of other specific artists.  They all had silly names for their group, as well.  To me, there is nothing distinctive or spectacular about a person who dresses up like a musician that they like.  Their demand for noteworthiness does not make them noteworthy.   This sort of entry invites vandalism because it covers a topic that is not the forte or intent of Wikipedia.  - Forridean   26 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like to comment on the recent reversion due to "vandalism to last revision by The Juggler." I believe this accusation is in error because there was no change made to the article by this reversion. The changes that I made to the article was a re-wording of certain phrases in the "Alleged Juggalo Crime"  section that were either not in an encyclopedic tone or poorly and vaguely worded. The Juggler 20:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I've just removed the following from the article:
*Sunnyvale, CA July 21 2006, Juggalo gang deals drugs, robs and stalks users. []
First off, the writeup is not NPOV.  There are claims that an alleged Juggalo gang deals drugs, robs, and stalks users.  Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.
Additionally, the linked source seems rather...  bizarre...  to say the least.  It claims a lot more than the Wikipedia write-up suggests.  Here's its headline:  
*HEADLINE: NEO-NAZI JUGGALO CULT-GANG IN SUNNYVALE
Under which are such examples of journalistic integrity and adherence to the unvarnished truth as:
*"Anti-Gay Juggalo Gangs and the Sunnyvale Police are about to kill a man."
*"a Juggalo cult-gang"
*"juggalos" – self-proclaimed Neo-Nazi skinheads"
In general, the blog article is an attempt to push the case of this guy, who claims that he is being stalked, harassed, and threatened and that the Sunnyvale police refuse to protect him.  However, WP:RS instructs us that blogs and personal websites are not to be considered reliable sources.
Unless a less biased and more reliable source is found, and a more NPOV writeup is adopted, this material should remain out of the article.  Kasreyn 23:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed claim

message: Some of the news stories linked to have since had the news stories taken down, so I've removed the links. Remember that local news sites often will not archive their news, so news links need to be checked periodically to make sure they still work.--Rosicrucian 15:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  The most frustrating example is ICP's press statement on the Robida affair, which I can no longer find in their website's archive.  And it appears from Google that not a single other organization or news service bothered to report on the statement or quote the band.  (Just another sad example of how ICP's side of things is never discussed in the mainstream media.)  Wikipedia provides the only hits for the quote.  So, it would appear to an impartial, new editor to these pages that there is no way to know if the quote is for real.  Can you help me by looking through ICP's website archives and trying to find a live link to the statement?  Because if it's really gone, the only remaining solution would be to email the webmaster and ask that he create a special page to host the statement.  Kasreyn 19:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a Village Voice article that quotes it, and have fixed the link on Robida's article.--Rosicrucian 21:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.  Notice that in that same article, a reference to another Village Voice writer's "wiki roundup" says that this article makes no mention of Juggalo violence, and accuses us of a whitewash.  Note that now, we do indeed have a section on Juggalo violence, so we've definitely improved!  This should be considered not only a source for the ICP statement on Robida, but as definite proof that the section on Juggalo violence should be retained:  it is what readers are wanting information about when they come to this article.  Kasreyn 05:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead Links

message: Four of the "Alleged Juggalo Crime" entries have not been cited from any reliable source, does this not damage the POV of this article? These claims could be firsthand reports, word-of-mouth rumors, or even outright lies for all we know. These claims should be presented in some article if they can be cited as being true and documented cases, but otherwise I believe they should be removed from the article.
I would not take the liberty of removing these claims myself, nor should any other user; this issue should be discussed here before action should be taken. The Juggler 23:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation Needed

message: Everything2 is not a valid source to cite. It is not a reference work, and does not seek to be. In the future, do not cite it within a Wikipedia article.--Rosicrucian 04:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Everything2]] 

message: Wikipedia articles are not appropriate places to plug internet radio stations, regardless of whether they are related to the article at hand.--Rosicrucian 14:50, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And it seems it just gets added back in.--Rosicrucian 17:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made a broad sweep of the articles for all the Psychopathic Records artists, and it seems the same link  was spammed across nearly all of them. I've removed what I could, but it seems an anonymous IP, likely the site owner, is already reverting my edits.--Rosicrucian 17:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juggalo Radio 

message: Typos in my edit summaries make me sad. Oh well. I should have mentioned in that edit summary that I also tweaked the violent incidents header to something less unwieldy, but hopefully no less accurate.--Rosicrucian 04:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gah. 

message: Oh for crying out loud, let's not riddle the whole article with OR tags. Citation Needed tags are much less obtrusive, and we can put the OR tag at the top if it's that extensive.--Rosicrucian 00:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR and Citation Needed 

message: I'm kinda new but this seems like POV in its most blatant sense.
The juggalo family overlooks race, size and class and combines to make one of the most wicked families in existance.
Mainly the most wicked part if your slow.
It probably should be this:
The juggalo family overlooks race, size and class and combines to make one of the most loyal and welcoming families in existance.
The term 'Wicked' is a way to describe it on your own grounds, but not on a wikipedia article.The juggsd86 16:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: As I've explained numerous times in the edit summaries, it doesn't matter if "Whoop, whoop, Juggalo!" is the "correct" term. We have to go with what the cited article claims they said.--Rosicrucian 20:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Whoop, whoop, Juggalo!" 

message: I believe the picture should have a different caption.  i know what it means, but to someone dim enough, "a 'juggalo' in his environment" may suggest that juggalos live in the forest. The juggsd86 04:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture 

message: I've cited what I could, but unless I could find a news article that specifically mentioned Juggalos or ICP I've removed the incident. I did find quite a few cites for Robert Belz, but none that indicated he had any connection to the fandom.--Rosicrucian 23:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged Juggalo Crime section cites 

message: This whole article needs a major cleanup or deletion. It's just shoddy.
81.187.6.201 13:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: First Off, I am a juggalo.  Still reading?  Good.  I find this article to be a blemish on the face of Wikipedia.  This article about the Juggalo subculture says nothing about the lives or beliefs of juggalos.  A short blurb about the GOTJ and juggalo-related violence does nothing to show what being a juggalo is all about.  
Most glaringly, there is only a brief mention of the Dark Carnival, even though it is central to the juggalo philosophy.  Here is some information regarding the dark carnival.  What I type can be verified at Insane Clown Posse's offical web site, as well as at juggalofaith.com:
The Dark Carnival is comprised of six Joker's Cards:
The Carnival of Carnage,
The Ringmaster,
The Riddlebox,
The Great Milenko,
The Amazing Jekel Brothers, 
and The Wraith
Each of the jokers cards has an accompanying album that has been released by ICP (with the exception of The Wraith, which has two: Shangri-La and Hell's Pit)
Beginning on The Carnival of Carnage and increasing throughout the joker's cards, which are referred to as The Saga, there are hidden references to Judeo-Christian ethic.  Some are as simple as reversed audio, while others move into irony and example embedded directly in the lyrics.  
Each card has a specific meaning, and represents an aspect of humanity.
The Carnival of Carnage is the beginning of the Saga, and represents violence and the tendancy to to turn a blind eye to the suffereing of others.
The Ringmaster deals with sin.  In the Dark Carnival mythology, when one dies, all his/her sins coalesce into a creature known as the Ringmaster.  The size and veracity of the Ringmaster is directly proportional to the severety and number of sins the person committed in his life.  The person will then have to fight this creature before he can pass into Shangri-La (juggalo heaven).
The Riddlebox deals with judgement.  When one dies, his destiny will be reveled to him by turning the crank of the Riddlebox, which resembles an old, worn Jack-in-the-Box.
The Great Milenko deals with hypocrisy.  The Great Milenko is an illusionist that uses the power of deception to lead bad people to believe that they lead good lives, and only in death are they truly reveled for what they are.
The Amazing Jekel Brothers are another form of judgment.  Jake and Jack Jeckel are two brothers that together, form the human soul.  Jack Jeckel represents evil, hatred, and sin.  Jake Jeckel represents love, goodness, and compassion.  When one dies, the two halves of their soul will split, and begin juggling.  For each sin the person committed in life, another ball will be added to their show.  Jack will try to trip up Jake, who is desperately trying to catch every ball.  He will throw curves, toss them behind him, and other like behaviours.   If either of the brothers drop a ball, the observer (the dead) will be cast into Hell.
The Wraith deals with eternity.  The Wraith himself closely resembles death.  When one dies, The Wraith is responsible for "Guid(ing) the departed upon the path that they have chosen" (Walk into the Light from ICP's The Wraith:Shangri-la).  When one is cast into Hell's Pit, it is The Wraith whom will deliver him to his destiny.  The Wraith is the only Joker's Card to be spread across multiple albums.
The Joker's Cards are not intented to be taken litereally.  The entire saga is a metaphor for a way of life that many people don't understand.  There is nothing evil or wrong about juggalos.  Granted there are bad apples, but for the most part, the Juggalo Family are extremly friendly, compassionate people.  They just don't put up with abuse that other members of other subcultures might.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thndrchld (talk • contribs) 18:50, August 29, 2007 (UTC) 
Hopefully this will at least lend a little balance to an article that seems to be mostly biased against juggalos.
Thndrchld 18:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is only brief mention of the Dark Carnival because the carnival has its own article.--RosicrucianTalk 20:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly, that's no longer true, it was deleted a short while back..... for reasons I don't fully understand.... Onimura Ixmythot 18:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Dark Carnival Mythology  

message: With the Juggalo above. Dont go and try to change anything though, the Juggalo wiki police will be on ya in no time flat. They always try to justify there actions with, "well its wiki policy" well there policies can get shoved where the sun dont shine for all I care. These pages are not very informitive for being what its posed too.--1WickedClown (talk) 04:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agreed 

message: Anyone know of a Juggalo userbox?the juggreserection 16:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: support the approval of this wikiproject 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Psychopathic_Records 
the juggreserection 18:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the Wikiproject:Psychopathic Records page.  Please spread it around.the juggreserection 14:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychopathic Records Wikiproject 

message: I really think this article needs more content than the simple words that are already on there.--ItsJodo (talk) 02:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More Content

message: screw dis shit there is no reason to call juggalo music horrorcore 
Andrew Toste(juggalo)
Hello, my fam and I really enjoyed the "names" section, which tells all the other titles juggalos can go by, just for the fact that it cleared up some things as to what was what in the music's lyrics. So why has it been deleted? Just wondering if anyone could leave a copy of it on my page.Mutlee (talk) 15:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: Should this article mention that before the Juggalos existed, there were Floobs? I have read it many times in behind the paint. Rob and Joe were the O.G Floobs.--1WickedClown (talk) 04:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Floobs 

message: as a juggalo all i have to say is this page is verry informitive.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Little Pagan GRL (talk • contribs) 01:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikid clowns 

message: As a juggalo I am appalled to see how we as the dark carnival family seen as offensive, and the crimes section, of course there are gonna be crimes, it's not cause we are juggalos, it's because of who the person is. I am a juggalo, I am in the military, and this is bullshit.(70.122.104.141 (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juggalos looked at wrong