Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Alpha Epsilon Zeta Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega

message: * Comment: I am sorry but i do not see why this entry would be deleted simply because it is non-notable. to me and my brothers it is very notable. i have put in a lot of time into this entry in hopes that the chapter can use it in spreading it's ideals of friendship leadership and service. it would also be a good resource to those interested in joining our organization, and to those new to our chapter(pledges) for gaining information on our chapter history. also, seeing as how there are about 5 other chapter entries, steming from the mother APO entry i believe it is a good way to help model and set an example for future chapters that decide to make an entry. and what makes you think that we are none-notable, we had the VP of all of APO sitting at our chapters table at regionals this past weekend, on her own will, and she very much enjoyed it. not-notable, thanks for the slap in the face. so i ask you to please let our humble wikipedia entry stay in existance. at least we are a legitimate wikipedia entry unlike some of the other entries on your list, which you have deleted(the one before ours referring to mens penis'). ohh, another thing that makes us notable, is that our primary founder is one of the founding members of Beta Rho(Roger Stearns hes even in that picture), which is allowed to keep their entry. please respond and thanks for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Butterbean04 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 24 October 2005
** Comment: How do you determine if something is notable? This entry provides any person with a description and a idea of the Alpha Phi Omega Chapter at UTD. That in itself should be notatble to a larger audience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by michael_654 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 25 October 2005
*** Comment: While the chapter may be notable to you and the other members, it should be notable to a larger audience to be included here. tregoweth 01:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: *May I ask on what basis are articles about these chapters being deleted ?  To which fraternity do the delete voters belong ?  Is the nomination (are the nominations) being made from an NPOV ? --SockpuppetSamuelson 12:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Fraternity Membership of voters

message: *Comment: this is a good point that you have brought up^^^, which is why we have our very own shiny website www.apo-aez.org, this is an excellent way to share information with others, but if i were from another chapter say Alpha chapter (the very first one) and i weren't purposefully looking for our humble chapter. one way i could find INFO about it let alone know that it exists would be from this chapter wiki, which stems from the parent wiki.
*Comment: well, if i lose this battle it was one hard fought. thanks for at least listening. after all we are just trying to better the country through being a service frat, unlike some social frats. thanks again for listening. btw loooooove wiki, haha saved my butt on soo many papers. ill just link to our real website on the UTD wiki.Butterbean04 03:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: On [[WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_free_host_or_webspace_provider]]

message: *Comment: By calling it "fratcruft" doesn't that mean that it inevitably sticks around??? I mean that is the definition of a cruft means regardless of it's worth or not it still sticks around....i think you should rethink when to properly use jargon. if anything just stick with calling it a non-notable local chapter of a national organization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Butterbean04 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 25 October 2005
**Well, "cruft" is Wikipedia jargon. See Wikipedia:Fancruft. It does have a known meaning in Articles for Deletion debates, so in this context it's being used properly, in the sense that it's being used in a sense that the writer intends and many of the readers understand the same way. For Wikipedians to refer to articles dealing with overly detailed articles about narrow topics as "cruft" is no more illogical than for Alpha Phi Omegans to refer to women members as "brothers". --Metropolitan90 03:42, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: On Fratcruft