Talk:Parrot

message: It is looking like this will be the next collaboration of the month, so here is a to do list to work on this article.
*Poke Dysmorodrepanis regard the taxonomy and systematics.
*Add sections per other high-end taxonomic group structure. Diet and intellegence exist; we need breeding, social behaviour, migration and movement, distribution and morphology.
*We need to summarise some of the 'and human' sections, particularly feral parrots and pet parrots which have their own daughter articles. Feral parrots should discuss feral parrots in general, not be an exaustive list of different populations (that can happen on its own page). 
*Economic importance, of the pet trade, as a tourism reslource and as agricultural pests.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabine's Sunbird (talk • contribs) 05:29, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
*Numerous citations are bare URLs, these need to be changed (or better citations found). 
*Images, can I suggest that we scour Flickr and the commons for good shots of parrots in the wild? So many parrot photos (particularly on True parrots) are of cage birds, but wild birds are much preferable for discussing the whole order. A good representation of as many types of parrot as possible would be good, including some from South America, Africa, Asia and Australasia. The article will eventually be long enough that we can avoid a gallery too (with the temptation it provides for everyone with a pet budgie to add a 'me also' photo to it (look at gull for what I mean).
Anything else? Sabine's Sunbird  talk 23:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We tend to cover anything important regarding physiology in morphology, as there usually is only a few things that are unique to a family/order. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 00:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To do list 

message: Is this bit suggesting that the US feral populations were the first in the world? If not, the second sentence is redundant. Jimfbleak 10:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: feral populations

message: Could this section benefit from some discussion of Alex? ThuranX 03:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  intelligence section 

message: I don't usually take it upon myself to edit Wikipedia, but the language in this article is very...ungood. It does not sound professional in the least and it is riddled with basic English grammar problems (particularly with commas). It is written at a high school level. Hopefully a serious editor can take a look at this page. I love parrots and it's a shame to see their article in this kind of shape. 144.92.39.93 22:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basic writing 

message: Recent news stories ( and others) tell about a 55 mya parrot fossil from Denmark, Mopsitta tanta. How does this find affect the section Origins and evolution here?--Noe (talk) 20:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest parrot? 

message: * The term "true parrot" is not used by the majority of bird keepers, biologists and lay people and is a source of confusion .
*Others lump all Psittaciformes into one giant family. 
*The chicks are altricial, usually hatched naked (although some have down).  The female remains with the chicks for 1 to 2 weeks, again fed by the male, until the chicks are larger and have gained some feathering, and no longer require constant brooding.  The chicks tend to huddle together to keep warm. 
*In 2004, Britain's Daily Mirror newspaper carried the story of a female macaw supposedly born in 1899, and subsequently a pet of Winston Churchill during World War II; the aged parrot, called Charlie, was reputed to curse the Nazis and Adolf Hitler. Subsequent research strongly suggested that the parrot had never belonged to Winston Churchill, although Charlie's great age was not in question.
Please do not return this information to the article without a citation. The last one has a ref saying the ownership of Charlie by Churchill is questionable but says nothing about the rest of the story and I did not see any signifigance in the that information alone to keep it in the article.--BirgitteSB 14:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  contested statements removed 

message: Parrot#Systematics - does this do anything we don't cover in the List of parrots (family)? The article is already long and destined to get longer.... Sabine's Sunbird  talk 01:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The parrot page is probably not complete without a tribe list, but the long list of all parrot species needs to be a linked supporting page. Snowman (talk) 09:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We have two lists of tribes at present, one in the taxobox and one in the text. They don't even match. I'm not bothered which we keep, but we need to add the cockatoos if we keep the one in the text. Just one of many things really (I'm remembering again why I gave up last time,but I have HBW this time. Now I just need the time to read it all).  Sabine's Sunbird  talk 09:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But there are different ways of classification - the taxobox says "(but see below)". Snowman (talk) 11:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is true of many families. For the average reader it is confusing, and when working on family pages in the past I have always shifted one off to a subpage  and while acknowledging the existence of older taxonomies, focussing on the better more modern one (see Procellariidae). Space is going to be at a premium on this page, there is a lot still to add. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 20:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The main problem is that the opinions vary widely and wildly. But recent studies seem to result in much more clarity. It is not pretty for the old ideas....... -- Kim van der Linde at venus 20:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication  

message: #What about making a composite image, 300 px wide for the taxobox, using several images covering the diversity of the family. One cockatoo, one macaw, one Aussie broad-tailed and an African gray or so. Ideas?
#I want to make an phylogeny of the various tribes and extinct stuff, but i need to get a list of fossils that we have to add. For that, I need to know name, affinity and era. Good idea? -- Kim van der Linde at venus 20:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions 

message: Is an Indonesian Greater Noble parrot the same as a Black-capped Lory? It is hard to believe, but the information I found on internet is confusing. Taksen (talk) 08:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Melchior de Hondecoeter]]

message: I believe we should choose a new taxobox image. The current one is inadequate as it is badly composed, backlit, and in an unnatural environment. We have a lot of images of parrots on Wikipedia, we can do better than this one for such a high profile article. The image chosen should fulfill most of the follwing criteria
*technially compotent - frame the parrot well, light it well, pose it well, meaning show what the damn thing looks like
*be of a wild bird - more likely to have a nice background that isn't a cage or something equally depressing. Reduces the temptation to have an editor replace it with a picture of their particular polly.
I'm not sure it really matters which of the three families it comes from, or where in the world. So, any suggestions? Sabine's Sunbird  talk 04:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not know who put the image of the African Grey in the infobox. The previous infobox image was one of parrots in the wild, :File:Aratinga aurea -Brazil-8-4c.jpg. I think that it is just as well to have a rotation of images on this page, and there are other good images too. I have just replaced the infobox image with one of a Varied Lorikeet; does any one know what sort of tree in is feeding in? Snowman (talk) 17:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was I who added the African Grey image a few weeks back. My reasoning at the time was that IMO, considering that WP articles are aimed at the general reader, the Parrot article should probably feature a familiar/famous/iconic parrot species in the taxobox. I had a look through the various images of large macaws and African Greys available on Commons at the time, trying to find one of a decent resolution, that wasn't too cluttered and that showed the whole bird. I don't know what the policy is on this - but personally, I don't have a problem with using an image of a pet/captive bird, if there's one that looks better than the wild images we have to work with. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

text: EDIT: FWIW, :File:Papagaio (Fêmea) REFON 010907.jpg is one of my favourite parrot images on Commons. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest a sequence of the best photographs for the infobox image on this page. I liked the photograph of the African Grey parrot, which has been the infobox image for about five months since you added it here, so it has served the page well for a long time, and now it the turn of another image. Actually, I never did like the Amazon photograph that is one of your favourites. We have got a number of Blue-fronted Amazon images. I think this one of a feral amazon is one the best photographs of this species; :File:Blue-fronted Amazon (Amazona aestiva) -8-2rc.jpg, except for the shadow across it.  Snowman (talk) 22:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Gosh, I had not thought of rotating taxobox images. Not a bad idea really. Otherwise my preference would have been for the de facto type species the African Grey. I guess a budgie is the other candidate as the most familiar to everyone. I agree it is a nice amazon picture. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy with a rotating system as well. I think that the image Snowman has selected for now is fantastic. I guess An exceptional captive image would be okay, but I still think that wild birds should be favoured (although I guess I am biased against them and if everyone else thinks they are okay I guess I lose!). I don't really see the need to have an iconic species, it almost strikes me as a kind of systematic bias. Parrots all have the same sort of structure, so people will recognise a parrot as a parrot even if they don't know which one it is. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 04:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also support Snowman's suggestion - and the inclusion of :File:Blue-fronted Amazon (Amazona aestiva) -8-2rc.jpg in the taxobox at some point. Might it be a good idea to compile a list of 'quality' parrot images for future use in this capacity at some point? As an aside, I personally *love* :File:Cacatua moluccensis excited.jpg, though I don't think that one would be a good pick to represent the entirety of parrotkind... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The detail and expression are awesome, and and I see no reason why a cockatoo isn't representative of parrotkind, but the image is rather spoiled by the wing-clipping, which is very very noticeable in that pose. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 05:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Also, yes, I think it might be a good idea to collate a list of nice images for the taxobox. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 01:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Over in the tree of life page Bob the Wikipedian suggested a random image selector - we could pick 10 good images and have them randomly show up each time the page is refreshed/opened. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 09:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. A high quality example of: Afro-Asian parrot, Afro-Asian parakeet, Lovebird, Macaw, Lory/Lorikeet, Conure, white Cockatoo, black Cockatoo, Australian parakeet, New Zealand parrot. Or something along those lines. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 18:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: An Amazon too. I can't believe I forgot the Amazons! ;) --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the random image selector might attract a lot of clicking and be a distraction to the more conventional content of the page. Perhaps the images could be changed manually from time to time. Snowman (talk) 00:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Most casual readers would be unaware that it was there - they'd get to the parrot page, there would caption match. Perhaps Hesperian would know about that. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 00:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  taxobox image 

message: *:File:Red Crowned Amazon.jpg Amazon shot with clear view of whole bird, well lit, no distractions in background. Great shot. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 22:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Image nominations

message: Feather colors are not just fun to watch but also useful. Bacillus licheniformis degrades feathers, especially white feathers. Red feathers with high levels of psittacofulvin are much more resistant. Recent research on this: Edward H. Burtt, Max R. Schroeder, Lauren A. Smith, Jenna E. Sroka, Kevin J. McGraw (2010): Colourful parrot feathers resist bacterial degradation, Biology Letters, The Royal Society, doi:10.1098/rsbl.2010.0716.
Ornithologician (talk) 16:54, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feathers protect against microbiological damage 

message: A single 1002 mm fragment 
Found in the Origins and Evolution - 1002 mm = 100 centimetres = 1 metre, bigger than most parrots.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.31.43 (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Late reply but if you're still around, anon - thanks for pointing that out. I located the edits where that was added - back in March last year. This is really something that should have been spotted before - but that said, I've only just spotted this talkpage comment! --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 16:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1002 mm tooth fragment? 

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message: Are all parrots zygotadctyl? Some Wiki articles state it is some, so I assume not all is meant? FunkMonk (talk) 08:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zygodactyly 

message: "Although most parrot species are able to imitate, some of the Amazon parrots are generally regarded as the next-best imitators and speakers of the parrot world." Citation needed?  I've read that Amazons are roughly equal to African Greys in terms of mimicry/intelligence, they just have more hormonal issues which makes them harder to train in labs. --Webbie1234 (talk) 07:52, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amazons vs Greys 

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message: There was a hidden cladogram in the Taxonomy section, and I don't know where to put it   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  16:32, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A Multilocus Molecular Phylogeny of the Parrots (Psittaciformes): Support for a Gondwanan Origin during the Cretaceous   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  05:46, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it is better to use than the current one, which has very few taxa? FunkMonk (talk) 06:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: I can't figure out how to correct this taxonomy error.  There are two classes listed. Obviously parrots are not in the Reptelia class so this should be removed
TransAmericas (talk) 17:16, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a discussion about this at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#Reptiliae_or_Aves.3F.  You can contribute to the discussion there if you wish.  Deli nk (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxonomy Error 

message: In the link below the picture on the side, it misspells the word "Cacatuidae" as "Cacatuidea" This is hyperlinked as well and correctly redirects to cockatoos, but the spelling needs to be fixed. 67.61.100.243 (talk) 20:31, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see "Cacatuidea" anywhere in the article   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  23:39, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

text: Did you mean "Cacatuoidea" rather than "Cacatuidea"?  Cacatuoidea is one of the three parrot superfamilies and contains family Cacatuidae. The superfamily is monotypic so both the family and superfamily contain the same extant species. The second phylogeny only showed the superfamily without the family at the terminal. I've added the family name so it shows all parrot families. I'm not sure if this is the cause of the confusion or not. —  Jts1882 | talk  07:32, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2020 

message: I would like to add to the Etymology section a note such as the following:
The study of the Psittacines is known as Psittacology.
Thank you. Aviarista (talk) 09:43, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template.. Colonestarrice (talk) 05:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2022 

message: Partot 2400:1A00:BDA0:83AE:BC46:7827:9BA3:55F8 (talk) 00:36, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parrot is herbivores