Talk:Battle of Pakchon

message: While looking into the 187th ARCT I found an article that would improve this page. JamesESJ 14:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I was asked to point out what appeared to be copied in the article, so that it might be edited.
For one example of blatant plagiarism in the current wikipedia article, consider the following passage:  "The first air drop brought 6 X 105 mm howitzers and 1125 rounds of ammunition which was reinforced next day by a further 12 X 105 mm howitzers and 4 X 90 mm anti-aircraft guns. Nearly 600 tons of ammunition and other supplies were delivered during the operation."
This is word for word the same as what DAVID BUTLER, in KOREA REMEMBERED Chapter 2: BATTLE OF THE APPLE ORCHARD, wrote: "...the first air drop brought 6 X 105 mm howitzers and 1125 rounds of ammunition which was reinforced next day by a further 12 X 105 mm howitzers and 4 X 90 mm anti-aircraft guns. Nearly 600 tons of ammunition and other supplies were delivered during the operation."
Since the David Butler text is copyrighted, this is copyright violation as well as being plagiarism.
That's just one example.  I don't believe that just changing the wording of this one passage in the article would improve the situation very much.  The entire article as written is about the same length and written in the same tone as the Butler account.  To avoid plagiarism and to be encyclopedic, the article should be a much shorter, condensed account including only newly worded statements based on 2 or more sources, using inline citations, and/or having same-size passages that are specific quotes from one source.  But the Butler account is copyrighted, so long quotes from it are not appropriate.  Thus, it would be better to have only a short version of the article and refer the reader to the Butler account for more detail.  The short version could be the short version already written in the article Military history of Australia during the Korean War.  Perhaps best, this article ought to be deleted in its entirety. doncram (talk) 16:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tagged the article for copyvio at 02:45, 24 February 2008.  It's possible that i erred and did not further list it somewhere i was supposed to, then.  Or it fell through a hole in the intended process.  Because I am surprised it is still here, in the same state as it was.  Robert, when would you do something with this article, and why not just copy the infobox to the suggested Temp location, now?  doncram (talk) 01:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed all the copyvio text.  Jeepday (talk) 13:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you! doncram (talk) 17:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Example of plagiarism / copyright violation in article 

message: This article currently refers to the Battle of Pakchon (5 Nov 1950) as the battle know to Australian historians as the Battle of the Apple Orchard - this is incorrect. The earlier battle at Yongju (22 Oct 1950) is in fact known by this name. The Butler reference makes this perfectly clear as does the AWM website and other references (see for instance Chris Coulthard-Clark 'Where Australians Fought' page 258). As such I have removed this. Anotherclown (talk) 02:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect reference to Battle of the Apple Orchard