Talk:Trigun/Archive 1

message: Unlike the previous edits on yaoi fandom and yaoi relationships, this is entirely verifiable content from the manga universe and highlights something that could be of interest both to fans inside the fandom and to people exploring the fandom from the outside, especially with its interplay with the depiction of alternate sexuality that was Elendira the Crimsonnail's existence. While this isn't THAT important, it is an interesting note on the manga and something worth being a part of the discussion on it.
~SeventhHaido 11:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Included relationship between Wolfwood and Vash 

message: I haven't read Trigun and I only saw the anime once years ago (and didn't watch very carefully). I was interested in remembering how the story flowed, and who the characters are.. This entry does not provide it. It is more akin to fanpage of Trigun, where the reader is expected to know both the anime and manga by heart; observe how the article is quite long, but still fails to tell WHO (or what) VASH is, what exactly are his abilities (Angel arm? WTF is Angel Arm?), what they are based to etc. I would be interested to know what is the plot of manga (brief synopsis of the plot). Instead, you go straight to "who the author is" "how the author acted to" and then "differences between the versions", which should be last moment additions, not the meat of the article, as it is now.
-iJusten
~WEAPONARY~
The entire "Weaponary" part is a joke. The part about the Metaba Autorevolver is speculative, and poorly supported. THe Angel arm is not a giant "Lazer"(laser?) gun, as can be seen when it interacts with Knives' (when the two energy streams meet; lasers dont interact like that). Furthormore, the author cites a webpage about the metaba to support their assesment that the revolver can fuse with vash's arm and create a giant lazer weapon that can put a whole in the moon. There is no support for the claim that milly's gun is modeled after a mini gun. Also, its not a "cross gun", its a Cross Punisher. THE ENTIRE PIECE READS AS IF IT IS WRITTEN BY A GUN AFICIONADO, WHO HASNT EVEN SEEN TRIGUN. IT SHOULD ALL BE SCRAPED  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.153.18 (talk) 03:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More info of the characters and series 

message: For the third time in 24 hours, I'm taking this section out. The information in it, frankly, is poor: The list of pairings is unneccessary, the statement that some pairings may or may not be canonical is unsupported at best, and the attempted defense of fanfiction in general really belongs on the fanfiction page.
I personally feel the Gundam Wing and Weiss Kreuz articles do a better job of addressing the yaoi fandom, and it's more relevant there than here. It's hardly worth giving its own section to; a passing mention is more than enough. --nifboy 13:43 10 March 2005
:It is of note that back when the Trigun anime fandom was going strong, there was a significant amount of yaoi type fandom for Trigun in the USA (even up to the point of some girls cosplaying Vash).  Perhaps that extra bit of fandom helped its sales.  But I agree that unless it is properly written up, there shouldn't be its own subsection.AnimeJanai 18:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yaoi Fandom section 

message: Hashhagen has turned this page into a disamiguation, and copied the content into Trigun Anime and Trigun Manga, see here.
Though there are obviously differences between the two, I think that as these two pages are almost exact copies of each other, and as the current arrangement is deeply confusing, this should be reverted. Restructuring the article should help deal with the conflict between the two better.
*General introduction to first the manga, then the anime, and mention that differences exist
*Brief, unspoily, synopsis, common to both anime and manga
*Section with link to Trigun characters (a la Naruto characters), which can deal with the extensive bios
*Section that goes into the differences between the two at length, with spoiler tag
*Section with link to Trigun media (a la Revolutionary Girl Utena media information), which can house episode list, OST stuff, and manga volumes
If no one objects, I'll go ahead and do this soonish. Seems the best way to get a useful, bloat free, article, further suggestions welcome. --zippedmartin 14:01, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge with proposed changes (read: agreed). The disambig feels very awkward and, like so many other similar pages, character bios (especially of minor characters, the Gung-ho Guns in this case) seem to make up the vast majority of the article. --Nifboy 19:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, made the basic changes. Still a lot of work to do overall, but I think this format is looking quite a lot better. I've left little todo lists on the talk pages of both created sub-sections, and I think quite a lot of this main page could do with a rewrite, but I shall pause for the moment. --zippedmartin 03:23, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting the split and disambig. 

message: I decided to add a chart for the differences between manga and anime GHGs for their number and the order to which they fought Vash/Wolfwood. What do you think?
Looks good.  Please remember to sign your comments (with four tildes). --ElKevbo 05:42, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gung-Ho Chart 

message: This article needs to list both the Japanese and English voice actors. There aren't nearly as many voice actors in this field as you'd think (particularly when it comes to English translations) and so it's often illuminating and interesting to be able to see what disparate characters from multiple anime are all voiced by the same person.  --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 08:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good info for the Trigun characters page I'd say, if you want to start there, then the particularly relevant ones like Onosaka can be summary styled back here. --zippedmartin 04:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice actors? 

message: The manga section of Trigun is too overly complicated in my opinion and needs to be rewritten. My main problem is the concept of trying to summarize every individual chapter from each volume. By the time it gets finished (if it ever gets finished) I doubt anyone would even bother trying to read through it. A better idea would just be to clump it all together and only summarize the individual volumes along with maybe a short description of the little mini manga always found in the back. I'm also against listing each and every difference between the manga and anime since the differences are growing exponentially with each volume. 205.188.116.204 03:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga section revision 

message: There's got to be something in this article that explains the (albeit most likely superficial) similarities between the two (e.g. title, bionic arm, etc.) If there is no "source" for this, I at least wouldn't mind hearing your opinion about it on the talk page as I think there might be something to it. (Though, admittedly, I've never seen T6MDM.) --66.229.183.101 12:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Six Million Dollar Man]] and Trigun? 

message: Hi, I didn't read the manga but I did watch the anime.  Although I thoroughly enjoyed it, it left me with a lot of unanswered questions.  Can someone please explain to me what Vash and Knives are.  All I know is that they're not human and I think they're immortal.  Are they aliens?  Were they genetically engineered?  What are they?  Also, what are those strange mystical beings that Vash and Knives are able to communicate with.  You know, the beings that fixed the the power plant when it was about to explode.  I think Knives mentioned them once.  He said something about how humans are like bugs compared to them.  Does the manga answer any of these questions?  If so, please tell me.  I've been scratching my head for month trying to figure this out.
:Vash and Knives are both 'Plants' (not 'plant' as in vegetation, but as in 'powerplants') They are off the same species as those beings within the power plants. In the manga they are genetically engineered, the anime leaves their origin a mystery. The beings in the powerplants are capable of generating enormous amounts of energy, though not indefinitely. Humans used this ability to drain the power from them, a proces that kills the Plants in the long run. Knives therefore sees humanity as parasites, exploiting his kind, while Vash thinks humans and plants can co-exist. Hope this helps. Dizzy D 22:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whats Going On in this Anime 

message: I wasn't playing close attention, but the only thing I remember being called off is insuring of incidents related to Vash the Stampede, and not the bounty.Hackwrench 09:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the manga, Vash is declared a natural disaster, which invalidates the bounty on him. This is revealed at the end of the "Hard Puncher" chain of episodes, when he actually meets the girls for the first time. It's been a while since I watched the animes, but I seem to remember that there, the bounty was called off and Vash declared a disaster after the Fifth Moon incident. (when the girls were removed from their assignment to follow Vash) The Digital Gabeg 00:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would that invalidate the bounty on him? Besides, the declaration of him being a natural disaster was made by an insurance agency, not the government.Hackwrench 08:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the only explanation is that it was the insurance agency that issued the bounty in the first place; the planet doesn't have a central government and the insurance agency has to pay billions when July is destroyed, so they issue the bounty. It's counter-productive though and they have it cancelled when Vash is declared an Act of God, because they no longer have to pay for the damages. Dizzy D 12:21, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bounty? 

message: In my opinion it needs a total rebuild along the lines of Planetes, with a simple anime summary, manga summary, differences and a character list. -- The Norse 00:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This series of articles is so unorganized. 

message: I've spotted many references to these subjects. Vash wears those round granny style glasses (tinted yellow no less) with the "~" on their legs, a strong hint to the kind of glasses Lennon wore (maybe modernised slightly). I also remember Vash looking very similar to Lennon (when Vash is going through his "tramp" stage and his hair is long). Lennon was murdered via gun, it's rather ironic that guns and weapons feature so much in Trigun - and  the effects of them always seem to have a negative effect on Vash (he'd always much rather resolve things peacefully). Also "Peace and Love" is a catchphrase Ringo Star uses a lot. There are other references there that I've probably forgotten. Does anyone agree with me? ^^ Sheepee 09:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No...
*It's not surprising that guns and weapons feature prominently in any western-based genre.
*Mostly anyone growing their hair out and looking trampy is going to bear some resemblance to John Lennon.
*"Peace and Love" was kind of the theme of the Beatles era and not really Lennon-specific at all.
All you've really got to go on is the granny glasses...which isn't exclusively Lennon either. --In Defense of the Artist 01:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatles/John Lennon references 

message: And by crap, I'm obviously refering to the "Wolfwood and Vash's relationship" and "Title" sections. Both are nothing but uncited personal opinions on their respective subjects and should not be included in the article. I've tried deleting them both on multiple occasions but I'm apparently being blocked from deleting them for whatever reason. Someone please help me out here as this nonsense needs to be taken care of ASAP.
I and many others clearly think that this speculative yaoi fandom section has no place here.  Look at the user who keeps putting it back whenever someone deletes it, he clearly has an agenda and that is not NPOV at all.  SeventhHaido, Keep that stuff on your slash forums, not on an encyclopedia.  You can cry hate crime and homophobia all you want but it still doesn't change the fact that you're trying to wedge your own unfounded beliefs into the article. AshTM 19:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why can't I delete this crap? 

message: I can't belive that no one has mentioned the thomases.  That is what people ride on Gunsmoke--a thomas.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.67.71.222 (talk) 05:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Travel by Thomas