Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College baseball/Archive 1

message: Thanks to everyone who joins.  We're just getting started here with this project, unfortunately right as the season is ending.  But hopefully we can work to get some accepted standards established before the beginning of next season.  Right now I think the most important things we need to do are establish standards for the College World Series pages and NCAA Tournament pages.  Once the standards are established we can get to work on inputting all the info.
I'd like this to be a democratic Wikiproject.  If you have any ideas then please by all means voice them!  Also, this is my first time starting a Wikiproject so bear with me.  I could use all the help I could get.  Thanks again! Seancp 00:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks and welcome 

message: Template:ACC baseball coaches - Jober14 22:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool thanks!  I went ahead and added it to the pages of the 5 coaches that already have articles. Seancp 22:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACC Baseball Coaches Template Created 

message: Does anyone know how to create administrative templates, much like Wikiproject College football has (ex: Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Templates)???  I know how to do basic templates but their templates add pages into certain categories and what not.  That would be helpful for organization.  At the very least we need a basic template that marks the talk page of each college baseball related page so that we can get a good idea of what is already created, etc.  Thanks for any input. Seancp 22:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is you're talking about... (please keep in mind I just threw this together pretty much by watering down Baseball WikiProject's goods) Template:College-baseball-WikiProject. Along with that I created an Assessment page that is a replica of WP:Baseball's. I know the assessment stuff is a lot more than we need (or can handle) right now, but I just put it there for the heck of it. Hopefully at least articles can be tagged with the template now (with importance and class, etc). Is that what you kind of wanted? And/or what else were you thinking of? Oughgh 05:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administrative Templates 

message: I think we should create pages for conference tournaments. Much in the same way the college world series pages are done. I'll be more than willing to get started on the ACC pages asap if people think this is a good idea. I do have a couple of questions/points I'd like for yall to think about:
*Should it be one page example: ACC Baseball Tournament with each year a seperate sub-heading? Or should we do a page for each year, example: 2007 ACC Baseball Tournament?
*Second, we need a hybrid template for the brackets. Template:CWSBracket works for most conferences with an 8-Team Double Elimination format. However, at the end of the Tournament there is no 3-Game series. Template:8Team-DoubleElimin-Bracket does not allow for seeding. I don't know how to edit/create these to make it into what we would need.
*Third, the ACC has switched to a 2, 4-Team-Round Robin format where the two "pool play" winners play each other for the championship, which Template:4TeamRR might work for. I know other conferences use this format too.
*Fourth, if we do create this, I think a template like Template:NCAA_Division_I_College_World_Series would be appropriate.
So what do yall think? Is this worthy of adding to our project? - Jober14 16:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely! I was actually thinking about that when the SEC tourney was going on and it slipped my mind once this WikiProject was created. I personally would say that if there is going to be a bracket and a listing of the all-tournament team, etc, then each year should have a separate page, just like for the CWS. Otherwise after a couple years the page would get quite long. I will take a look into the brackets to see if I can use my limited knowledge of coding to create our needed brackets. And yes, the template you mentioned would be great (and not difficult to create). Oughgh 16:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I did some work on the SEC Baseball Tournament page a while back.  I also did a few individual tourneys as well (see the yearly template on the SEC Baseball Tournament page).  I think its a great idea and would love to see as many conference tourney's documented as possible.  Feel free to use the SEC as a starting point.  I'm sure it could use some tweaking, though. Seancp 16:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I completely forgot there was indeed a page for the SEC Tourneys - my bad. Anyway, I just created Template:SECBracket for your 2nd bullet point above - it's basically the same as the CWSBracket, minus the extra 2 games at the end. I edited the 2007 SEC Baseball Tournament page to show the change. I called it SECBracket just for ease of use, but it can be used for another other conference tourneys that use the same bracket. As for the round robin pool... I have no idea how to implement that graphically in a bracket form. Any ideas? Oughgh 17:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the page for the 1979 SEC Baseball Tournament you can see the bracket is messed up because we don't currently have a four team double elimination template.  I put that on the main project page in the requests section.  I also put in a request for a 6 team double elimination brack for NCAA tourney from the late 70's until 1998.  Does anyone know how to make those?  If so that would be an enormous help!  Also, check out the 1992 SEC Baseball Tournament page.  You'll see the bracket is incomplete.  This is a result of the NCAA and SEC using a very convuluted tournament format.  It's pretty complex and I don't think we will be able to get it to display properly on Wikipedia.  Some of the older College World Series used this same type of bracket.  I can post a link to show you graphical representations but I'm at work now and will have to wait until I get home. Seancp 18:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw the 1979 page already, and I'm already working on it. Learning as I'm going though, hopefully I'll figure it out. And I figured you just didn't finish editing the 1992 article, I'll be interested to see how it actually is supposed to look! I'll also have to look up the 6-team format to see if I can get anwhere on that one. At least I have the one for the current SEC format done and I've updated all the tourney pages to use it. Oughgh 19:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From about 1950 until 1987, the College World Series used a pretty complex bracket format.  Check out the official 2007 NCAA record book: http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/baseball/college_world_series_records_book/2007_cws_records.pdf.  (By the way, its an EXCELLENT resource for all of us here at this wikiproject.  Anyway, towards the end they have graphical representations of every college world series bracket ever.  The convoluted brackets start at about page 242.  You'll notice that they used the same format from 1950 until 1987.  If we could get a template for that then it would be great...but it seems pretty difficult. Seancp 19:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:4Team2ElimBracket created, 1979 SEC Baseball Tournament updated. That's how it's supposed to look right? I'll take a look at that link to see where to go next. Oughgh 19:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!  It looks perfect!!! Seancp 19:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: To Jober-  I don't know if this helps or not, but the first round of the soccer world cup is round robin...maybe that could give you an idea on how to do the ACC tournament bracket.  See: 2006 FIFA World Cup Seancp 20:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:ACCRR has been created for the round-robin ACC Tourneys. But I realize now that Jober already has that page pretty much done. We can either use that or the new template which unifies things and cleans up the seeds. Oughgh 21:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I really like how that cleans it up. I was having to use 2 different templates before. - Jober14 03:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2007 ACC Tourney page looks great! Glad the template helped - at the least, it cleaned up the seeds and hopefully will make it easier for next year. I'll take a look at trying to make the 6-team double-elim bracket tomorrow. Oughgh 06:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a challenge, I need this bracket for the 2005 ACC Baseball Tournament - Jober14 11:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you did for that page - that looks much better than anything I could ever make without splitting it up, and it makes more sense that way anyway. I'll see if I can update the 8-team bracket to make it and the 2004 ACC Baseball Tournament page look a lot better. Keep up the great work! Oughgh 18:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, when the ACC was 9 (then 11) members, they used a true double elimination bracket where the losers bracket winner and the winners bracket winner didn't meet up until the very end. The CWS uses what is esentially two 4-team double elimination brackets with a best-of-three between the two sides. Some conferences (like the SEC use this method but have a one-game winner-take-all match at the end). Other conferences might still be using the old-school true 8-team double elimination bracket (although I've been too busy to check). So to save time, if you could just upgrade the 8-team-DE bracket bring it on par with the SEC and CWS bracket visually, then that would work greatly. Jober14 19:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Holy crap...I just realized that Template:8Team-DoubleElimin-Bracket is the same format that the CWS used from 1950-1987.  Oughgh if you could get it looking similar to the current CWS template then we could get to work on documenting the brackets from older CWS's.  Some older SEC tourneys used that format too.  Seancp 18:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conference Tournament Pages/Templates 

message: The last one was getting a little bit long. I have a few comments.
*I personally don't think it's necessary to create a separate bracket template just for the ACC Tourneys that had play-in games... listing the play-in games separately explains why the bracket is complicated, and the templates would be pretty difficult to make, especially since the formats very used only very rarely. If it's really desired though, I'll see what I can do.
:I agree, we'll stick with the play-in format I created for 2005 ACC Baseball Tournament and 2004 ACC Baseball Tournament Jober14 19:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but I think one game might be missing toward the finale, I don't really know how to describe it, but if you look Here you will find a perfect example of it (minus the play-in game) Jober14 19:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Brackets Thread 

message: Alright guys, sorry this took so long - I'm hoping I didn't screw up again. Template:8Team2ElimBracket has been created. I understand that normally the loser's bracket is shifted to the right by 1 round, but that would make the bracket too wide to fit well on the screen... so it's directly underneath the winner's bracket. I hope that's not a huge deal... See the template's talk page - the code should be organized well enough to figure out how to use the template properly. Oh, and I updated the 2004 ACC Baseball Tournament page to demonstrate use of this bracket. Hope this works! Oughgh 21:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  True 8 Team Double Elimination 

message: I just created Template:SEC baseball parks and added it to the bottom of all the SEC parks' pages. Is this helpful at all? I'd be glad to do it for some of the other major conferences as well if anyone thinks it's a good idea. Oughgh 20:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent job.  I think its a great idea.  I'd love to see it for at least the major conferences (Big 12, Pac 10, Big 10, etc).  I'll be happy to help but the rest of the weekend is shot for me....maybe next week. Seancp 22:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SEC baseball parks template