Talk:Climate change and agriculture

message: 1. http://www.livescience.com/4296-global-warming-trigger-insect-population-boom.html
2. http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/Global-warming-insects.html#.WOwzzDvytPY
3. http://www.els.net/WileyCDA/ElsArticle/refId-a0022555.html
4. https://www.fs.usda.gov/ccrc/topics/insect-disturbance-and-climate-change
5. http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjohnsonhall (talk • contribs) 02:39, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: CMU Class project- future sources on the relationship between climate change, insect populations, and agriculture

message: Is there any reason why this article is not called Global warming and agriculture, more in line with global warming or effects of global warming? This article should otherwise be moved, or, more precise, the redirection (that I just explored) should be reversed.. Hardern 16:57, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate Change / Global warming? 

message: "The overall effect of climate change on agriculture will depend on the balance of these effects"
Isn't the distribution (geographical, etc.) of the effects of climate change/global warming on agriculture also a critical aspect of the discussion? We keep hearing about climate refugees, it's quite clear that some areas will be hit harder than others - shouldn't that be reflected in the header of the article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.104.166.92 (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balance AND distribution? 

message: "Global warming would be able to modify the global distribution of water, possibly leading to several effects, both detrimental and beneficial."
What does that mean? We should not be including such meaningless statements in Wikipedia. {unsigned}
I agree, there are parts of this article that sound like POV for "don't worry about rising CO2 emissions; plants will be happy", and the section on climate modeling is far too negative about the uncertainties. It takes a pretty defeatist POV that we can't foresee or forecast anything at all about the potential impacts of climate change on plants or agriculture.Birdbrainscan 05:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too ambiguous

message: I find the one way view this article presents very strange - when I first came here I was expecting something on the effects of agriculture on global warming, instead it only covers the effects of climate change on agriculture. Richard001 21:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A similar point was raised by Hardern above.  If this article is focused on response of agriculture to 20th/21st century climate change, then should it not be named Effects of global warming on agriculture in line with some other Wikipedia articles?  Notably Effects of global warming which "main article" links to this page.  I think it should.  Deditos 13:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Deditos and Richard001--"climate change and agriculture" implies treatment of their relationship; any good encyclopedia article with that title should address causes and effects regarding both terms.  Cyrusc 22:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Effect of agriculture on climate

message: This section is too wordy and takes too long to get to the point. I've made a start at tightening it up, while also stating some basic background. But it still needs more work. I've got course readings that include several journal articles on this subject. I can try to fill in some refs from those in a future edit.Birdbrainscan 05:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential effect of atmospheric carbon dioxide on yield

message: Is it to be presumed that only people who know what Agriculture is will read this Article? Despite all the Latin Roots of the word, there isn't a real understanding of the term. If the meaning is not familiar to you, you end up finding yourself in a verbal loop where the definition includes the word "Agriculture" so u wouldn't be able 2 understand the definition if you didn't understand the word.
It's a minor thing, but I'm just saying.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niwdog (talk • contribs) 12:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lose the IM-speak if u want ne body 2 tk u seriously, dude. Raymond Arritt (talk) 14:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Real Definition of Agriculture 

message: Should we rename this to 'global warming and agriculture' since it is not about general 'climate change' but about an effect of global warming?  Brusegadi (talk) 01:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: Could someone competent look at the section Agricultural surfaces and climate changes?  I noticed it reading through, because of the spelling mistakes; but the some of the sources cited are at least badly presented. N p holmes (talk) 06:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone's removed most of the spelling mistakes, but the citations still look more than a bit off.  I won't change it myself, because I'm not at home in the subject; if anyone else can do something, the unlinked New Scientist reference seems to be this and doesn't seem to support the claims it's attached too. N p holmes (talk) 12:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agricultural surfaces and climate changes 

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thread_title:  Article probation 

message: I'm thinking of changing the IPCC citations in this article. I would change the citations so that they use Template:Harvard citation no brackets as is done in effects of global warming (see User talk:J._Johnson#Canonical_IPCC_citations). The change would remove repetitive information contained in the existing IPCC citations. The change could also be applied to any other citations which contain repetitive information. I'd probably make the changes gradually, perhaps revising a few citations in each edit. Enescot (talk) 06:39, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repetitive citations 

message: I've removed the following image from the article:
I've also removed this text: "By 2012, North American corn prices had risen to a record $8.34 per bushel in August, leaving 20 of the 211 U.S. ethanol fuel plants idle ." The cited source does not make any reference to climate change. Droughts can occur even in the absence of climate change. Any link between ethanol prices and climate change must be based on a reliable source. Enescot (talk) 08:46, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price of corn in North America 

message: The data used for the lead image itself is 14 years old.  Viriditas (talk) 00:28, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Thanks - I've updated the graph. Enescot (talk) 07:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seriously outdated 

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message: This fighting over image sizes is nuts. If you are one of the users who has been setting this image or that to an abnormally large or small size, I want to ask you to take a step back and ask yourself if you are really for or against this or that fact.
The images and figures all appear to be factual, and are all in one way or another relevant to the subject of the article. I am going to set them all to the same size. I will pick a size that your typical user will be able to see and read with no problems.Adoring nanny (talk) 12:21, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image sizes 

message: How about adding a third section: Ways to reduce the impact of agriculture on climate change ?
Here's some of the information that can be added (covers only genetically modified food crops)
The use of genetically modified crops would reduce greenhouse gas emissions in a number of ways. First of all, it reduces the energy use in soil cultivation (particularly due to reduced tillage and also through the less frequent herbicide/insecticide application)[https://thesustainabilityalliance.us/biotech-crops-reduce-greenhouse-gas-emissions/ 
Biotechnology Crops Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions]Environmental impacts of genetically modified (GM) crop use 1996–2014: Impacts on pesticide use and carbon emissionsModel predicts elimination of GMO crops would cause hike in greenhouse gas emissions In addition to this, when cultivating GM biofuel crops, certain genetic modifications can also reduce the energy use in the processing of these crops.Redesigned crops could produce far more fuelGenetically Modified Trees Could Clean Up Paper Industry
Genetics4good (talk) 09:45, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third section 

message: Climate change and agriculture: Evaluation Nc634914 (talk) 12:04, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Evaluation and possible improvements 

message: The 2nd last paragraph of the "Examples" section is either in need of a serious cleanup or should be removed entirely - Improper capitalization, no citations for the 2nd half, poor grammar, words without spaces "likethis" and written in the present tense --Forbioso (talk) 12:16, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples Section Cleanup 

message: I added a section that covers how plants typically respond to water stress. I included the changes that occur and the reasons behind many of these changes. I inserted this under the subheading that refers to how plants respond to elevated carbon dioxide. I also provided a brief description of how climate change can potentially effect precipitation patterns.Nc634914 (talk) 03:00, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effect of Drought Stress on Crops 

message: I rewrote the section on the Effect of elevated Co2 on crops. The previous sections was in my opinion poorly worded, and not completely on topic. I also looked at some of the sited sources and found some plagiarism. I wrote a brief description of how elevated CO2 effects plants. Nc634914 (talk) 04:39, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effect of elevated Co2 on crops 

message: Hi User:Diannaa, I see you have reverted a bunch of changes to this article by going back to an earlier version. One or several of the edits were problematic due to copyright violations but I think you have also deleted some along the way that had nothing to do with the copyright violations, such as the one by User:Sadads. Also there might be something salvageable from the other edits if they are paraphrased and done better. Therefore, can you please send them to me with the internal message function so that I can review them and speak to the editors involved? They are part of a Wiki4Climate edit-a-thon. Thanks. EMsmile (talk) 02:50, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: All I did was remove two paragraphs about locusts that had been added by 555Grace at 10:54, November 27, 2020‎‎. In order to completely remove the material from the page history, all the intervening edits have to be hidden, from the time of insertion of the copyright material to its removal. This means that in many instances, harmless edits have to be hidden. But they were not removed. you can have a look at  to see the material added/edited by the other people was left untouched. — Diannaa (talk) 03:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi, thanks for your reply, Diannaa. I am still confused though because how can I tell what is hidden and what is removed? When I look at the user page of User:555Grace it looks like all of her edits on the article on the same day were also deleted, see here. How can I distinguish what's hidden from what's deleted? I am confused. Were her edits OK or were they problematic? As I can't see them I cannot check them and give her feedback? EMsmile (talk) 03:22, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction: The copyright content that I had to remove was added by 555Grace at 10:54, November 27, 2020. Two paragraphs about locusts. — Diannaa (talk) 03:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you please send the deleted content to me so that I discuss it with these novices so that they can learn? Also it seems that the edits by MELA-CC2050 and by Sadads were also deleted? EMsmile (talk) 03:55, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have temporarily undone the revision deletion so that you can view the diffs. As I said before, the only content I removed was two paragraphs about locusts. Check for yourself.— Diannaa (talk) 03:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. The problem with those revision deletions is that they show up also for the other editor's profiles. For example, when I reviewed the profile of Magreenblue, then it looked like his/her edits had also been reverted which you are saying they haven't. This to me is a major disadvantage of revision deletions when they affect more than one editor. I am looking at all the edits of the participants from the edit-a-thon on climate change topics. That's why it's important for me to know whose edits were good and whose weren't. Those "group revision deletions" are problematic when they affect several editors. With regards to the locusts, I have now salvaged some content from the website and put it back in. - Are there any other issues with the recent revisions to this article that need attention or is everything good again now? EMsmile (talk) 08:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked for other issues already when I first visited the article and the other edits were okay.— Diannaa (talk) 13:07, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes reverted due to copyright issues

message: In the section on Europe, some dates have been mentioned.
I'm not sure however how these dates are calculated (haven't read the report in detail). If it is calculated using the assumption that the Paris agreement is followed (meaning global warming will be reduced to no more then 1,5 or 2°C), then those dates will be off (as we are currently not on track for reaching that agreement).
Perhaps a far better option is to just tie the projected events not to a fixed date, but rather a temperature increase (i.e. event A will happen at +1,5°C warming). That then allows a dynamic date to be calculated out by some wiki magic (template, a bit like in the "comparison of ..." wiki articles), as some trackers exist like the Climate Clock (and perhaps others) which bind certain temperature increases (like 1,5°C, 2°C) to a date. This hence allows for a fully dynamic date to be generated rather then a fixed one, which depends on actual real-life annual emissions.
--Genetics4good (talk) 08:42, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: short term climate change doesn't depend much on the emission scenario, so dates 30 years in the future are fine. Further in the future date + temperature may be appropriate. For slow changing aspects (ice sheets), both are needed. Femke Nijsse (talk) 10:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates

message: I propose splitting this article into Effects of climate change on agriculture and Greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture. This will allow the content to be linked-to systematically from other articles and categories on the effects of climate change and on the sources of emissions. Thoughts? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 19:38, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be good to have a comment from someone who knows more about agriculture than I do (almost everyone). On the face of it this sounds a good idea as the article is quite large and presumably lots more info will come from researchers this decade. Which article would feedback go in i.e. if there are climate changes which increase ghg emissions via soil? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:39, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it's better to keep this together for now but to make the section on "greenhouse gas emissions" more prominent. For this reason, I have moved it to the start of the article. Then it's also more similar to the "climate change in country X" articles which always start with "greenhouse gas emissions". More of that content also needs to be summarised in the lead. The whole article needs to have a bit of an overhaul and review. I see for example two sections on "pests". Also, it's always tricky to know how to deal with that section "by region" where we might repeat too much what's already in the CCC articles (CCC = climate change in country X). EMsmile (talk) 00:01, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was talking about this with a colleague and he suggested: " I suggest we split the article into two. One would deal with the impact of climate change on agriculture and the other the impacts of agriculture on climate change. Two rather different topics. Turns out that agriculture is a larger emitter of GHGs than the transport sector.". So the same suggestion that Clayoquot made in 2019. I am undecided because I feel like we get so many tiny climate change articles on sub-sub-topics that linger with low view rates for years. My suggestion is to keep it together for now, but build up the content and then if the GHG emission content gets larger, split it off into a separate article at that point in time. More thoughts? EMsmile (talk) 02:23, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think this is a big enough subject that it should now be split. Also some small articles like wine and potatoes should be merged in to the impacts article. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am leaning towards supporting the split. I find the article title "Climate change and agriculture" vague, although we have many similar ones, like climate change and cities, climate change and fisheries. Compared to those, the agriculture topic might be unique as it's about emissions as well as impacts (well, the same could be said for climate change and cities although its emission section is currently just a paragraph long and likely won't grow as emissions are not normally discussed at a city level). - Where would the previous "climate change and agriculture" title redirect to? Or would it become a disambiguation page? EMsmile (talk) 11:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  disambig I guess Chidgk1 (talk) 12:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split this article into effects and emissions? 

message: I suggest to remove the further reading list as it seems a bit outdated and arbitrary. Some of them (like the Hoffmann publication) are already included as in-line citations anyhow:
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EMsmile (talk) 02:46, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. EMsmile (talk) 15:05, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove "further reading" list?