Talk:Muses

message: This article relies heavily on the first chapter of Detienne's "les maîtres de la verité" but the book isn't mentioned anywhere...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.40.23 (talk) 18:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  References

message: There's also a (Britpo) band named Muse.
: conventions so far would say put them at Muse (band) and put a link here. -- Tarquin 09:15 Oct 9, 2002 (UTC)
::This needs a real disambig page: Muse, Muse (band), MusE, MuSE - Omegatron 15:32, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
::: Agreed. It is difficult to find information on the band when searching for them - Az Paz 12:30, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Real disambiguation page created - Az Paz 12:50, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Isn't it more likely that most people visiting this page would be looking for the indie band rather than the mythological Ancient Greek deities? Sbiki 16:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: With Muse (disambiguation) the recent re-insertion of the little advert is  not required. Deleted.--Wetman 01:27, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Convention would have a link to the band included. For exmaple Chili pepper, Gondwanaland, Placebo, Atreyu, Franz Ferdinand and so on. This is a case for reinstertion. It's addition does not degrade the quality of the page. Space Erased 11:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that these other pages do not have general dab pages, as Muse (disambiguation) does. The primary meaning of muse is still muse: ask an adult. --Wetman 05:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Now, those who have created the dozens of redirects for Muse intending Muse (Greek mythology) might rectify their disservice to the Wikipedia reader and the trouble caused for adult Wikipedians by revising the double redirects that have been created. --Wetman 18:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: ah.. thanks User:Bacchiad. Jay 15:45, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation I 

message: I added the "functions in literature" section, and also listed the props and poses often associated with certain muses. Whaddaya think?
I liked it.  The only (small) problem I saw was the formatting.  For literary block quotes, it's preferred to use
:colons to format it like this
rather than
 spaces to format it like this.
Bacchiad 21:02, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm a rookie Wiki - what do you think of my addition? 

message: I found the article very interesting.  Does anyone know anything about modern Muses?  I'm curious about where artists and creative people in particular get their inspiration from.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?
: On inspiration: I am running a virtual gallery called Broken Muses being inspired by broken mannequins. --Brandlm 21:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oop. Our anonymous friend is right. I've moved them to Charites. (That's Wikipedian for "Graces" eh.) --Wetman 00:57, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muses and Creativity Today 

message: * Are the words "mosaic" or "mouse" related to the muses? I assume that "amusement" or "bemused" is. Perhaps "Cleo-patra", is named after one of the muses, and her name meant, "the father of history"? The "calliope" is a musical instrument, isn't it? (Oct.)
Mosaic indeed derives from Medieval Latin musaicum: "work of the Muses". The root out of which Greek "Mousa" originally stems is *menth- whose basic meaning is "to know", "to learn". So they are "the Ones Who Know"; this is why they are invoked by poets, so as to tell them the truth, although the Mousai have also claimed (in Hesiod) that they can lie as well. Kalliope means "she of the beautiful voice". If the name has been given to an instrument or when I can't tell. Lucius Domitius 03:10, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Words

message: when are the names first attested? Does Hesiod have them? Or does Hesoid have the4 number nine? 85.232.167.109 17:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronology

message: I think this article is lacking information for the use of the word for a real living person. The first four headings only talk about mythical persons. The heading The concept of the Muse-poet somewhat goes into the other direction, but really just consists of a quote that does not say very much about the woman. So there is only this sentence left: The word muse may be used figuratively, to denote someone who inspires an artist. in the misc section. Have a look at the German Wikipedia articles: muse (mythical) and muse (relationship), the are not very good, but have about equal length. --84.178.77.42 20:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your translation of the relevant German Wikipedia text on this extension of "muse" would be a welcome addition. See if you don't want to log in. --Wetman 01:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nearly three years later (!), I added the template to request that a section based on de:Muse (Beziehung) be added here.  It would be even better for it to be its own article (e.g. Muse (relationship)), but I leave it to someone else to create such a stub and move the use of the  template there. — 72.244.201.227 (talk) 00:49, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And even 3 more years and there is basically no mention at all of the modern muse in this article.. people are often referred to as being someone's "muse" or the concept of it, and there is no discussion in the article at all about this.--114.205.84.126 (talk) 12:57, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Another nine years, and someone has at last translated/written Muse (source of inspiration). The wheels here grind slow but exceeding fine. A pointer to that article at the hatnote should be sufficient. Herostratus (talk) 03:32, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: The use of muse for a living person

message: However beautiful their poetry, perhaps we should not include Shakespeare, Dante and Milton among the Classics? Surely there must be other surviving Greek authors who invoked the muses.  Could we put the more "modern" examples in a subsequent subsection?  cladist Oct 4 2006
:Go for it! introduce the Renaissance/Baroque invocations with a brief note on how they differ from their classical models. --Wetman 13:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Classical Invocations of the muses

message: Multiple disambiguation is not used on article pages, in wikipedia per the wikipedia disambiguation guidelines.  This guideline states that where the user may be searching for something else, a link is provided. 
It is perfectly reasonable to provide a direct link to another article where there is one other use (as per the edit comment in Renesis13's edit - it provides an example where one other use for  "ColdFusion" ).  
However, the guidelines also clearly state that:-
:"Where there are several articles to be disambiguated from each other, include a link to a separate disambiguation page."
The Muse (disambiguation) page has 19 separate articles for the term (although 4 are redlinks).  Disambiguation pages are provided specifically to avoid multiple disambiguation in articles. Guinness 11:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are misinterpreting the guidelines.  That the guidelines says to include a link to a separate disambiguation page does NOT mean that a secondary common article cannot (or should not) also be linked to.  Why else would there be a template for it?  Please read the guidelines more carefully, as well as the instructions for use of the "otheruses" templates (Template:Otheruses). -- Renesis (talk) 15:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we're going to disagree on the interpretation of the guidlines, although I'm a little surprised about the existence of a template.  In any case since we are not going to agree between ourselves on this, I have asked for the guidelines to be clarified.  I humbly suggest that you keep an eye on anything that goes on there, and add your input as you see fit. Regards, Guinness 21:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah I should of read this before, but I added the link to the rock band Muse. They are a phenomenally popular band and lets face it, it's not hurting anybody to have the link there. GrahamGRA 00:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They aren't phenomenally popular outside of the UK, and Wikipedia isn't UK-centered. Pink (singer) is more popular than Muse (at least on this side of the pond), but she doesn't get mentioned in the hatnote for Pink either. -- JHunterJ 00:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Then add her if you want. The UK is quite important for music bands. Muse have released over 7 million albums worldwide, not just in the UK. That makes them popular and that gives full rights to put them on the page as a shortcut. GrahamGRA 00:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't want, that's the point.  I want to avoid hatnote bloat. -- JHunterJ 02:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation II 

message: Aren't those associated with film and television, respectivly?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  03:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 10th and 11th muse

message: I have removed the section on the National Science Foundation MUSE project and all links to related web sites. It has nothing to do with muse in this context, and its entry has a link on the muse disambiguation page. PacificBoy 15:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation III 

message: The article at Thelxinoe (Moon) states that the moon is named for a muse, one of muses. A quick google of the name has revealed websites saying the same thing. I don't have a primary source so I can add her to the article, so I'm hoping someone else will do some investigating. T@nn 09:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thelxinoe 

message: I posted at User:Ajuk's Talkpage the following note:
:Now that you have created the dozens of redirects for Muse links that intend  Muse (Greek mythology), you might help rectify this disservice to the Wikipedia reader and the trouble caused for other Wikipedians by helping revise the double redirects that you have created. You will find them at Muse by selecting "What links here" in the left-hand table. This is part-and-parcel of a page title move. I have also posted this note at Talk:Muse (Greek mythology). Thank you. --Wetman 18:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made a move request to restore the primary meaning to the base name article -- JHunterJ 18:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I've redirected Muse to Muse (Greek mythology), since that appears to be the primary usage. The move back to the base name will apparently take longer. -- JHunterJ 18:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait! I can manage to fix the relevant ones among the ca. 600 double redirects from Muse to Muse (Greek mythology), if I can have some help. Let's work out what to do here at this Talkpage. Hold off on further changes: Muse (Greek mythology) would strip away lots of popcruft, for one thing... --Wetman 21:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Ajuk]]'s move of [[Muse]] to [[Muse (Greek mythology)]]

message: Ok, I propose making this a redirect to Muse (disambiguation). --Kimontalk 16:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I suppose I should have looked here first, but I went ahead and changed it to the disambiguation page.  Too bold? Esrever 17:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you for attempting to restore the pages.  Cut-n-paste moves, however, lose the edit history for the affected articles. I will see if the attempt is enough to make the return "speedy" now WP:RM#Incomplete and contested proposals -- JHunterJ 21:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Very nearly -- having a "base name" article redirect to a "base name (identifier)" article is a bit backwards, but that's simply an administrative fix-up. Or it should have been, I thought. -- JHunterJ 22:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: Doesn't mouseion (museum in English) literally mean "sacred grove" (of the muses)? If so, this should be noted in the article. Badagnani (talk) 04:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sacred grove 

message: a muse i salso a inspiration; or a guiding spirit  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.16.53.81 (talk) 02:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muse attributes 

message: Petition to remove the word 'the' from the front of all their names. In my understanding of ancient greek you'd never need an article before them (since they're names there as well ...) and the word gets in the way of sense in some cases.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.77.254 (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of the Muses' names 

message: Please see the talk page item at Talk:Thalia#Percy_Jackson_.26_and_the_Olympians_--_.7B.7Bcleanup-section.7D.7D_tag_added for an article/topic idea either for a section on this page or a full page (list) on its own. Apparently I need to create an account to start a new page and right now I would rather not do that as I am not sure what my username is going to be yet. 66.102.199.176 (talk) 17:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muses in Modern Art 

message: ==== Books ====
Percy Jackson & The Olympians
==== Movies & Plays ====
The Muse (film)
Xanadu (film)
==== Paintings & Sculpture ====
The Muses (oil painting by Maurice Denis)
The Nine Muses sculpted by Troy Pillow
==== Music ====
Muse (band)
66.102.199.176 (talk) 18:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for inclusion in this List 

message: Muse (band)
66.102.199.176 (talk) 18:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: Girl Genius includes a set of clockwork muses based on the legend.
WeepingAngel63 (talk) 04:50, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Comics

message: I was looking up info about the Pierides and found this page. Most sources I've seen say that they were turned into magpies; Wikipedia's the only one I've found that also says jackdaws. I don't know anything about this subject, but someone who does might want to double-check it. It would also be nice to have a citation for the Pierides myth -- I know Ovid talked about them, but is that the source of the story mentioned here?
Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranetz (talk • contribs) 19:27, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pierides 

message: How come the direct link to Muse (band) at the top of the page was removed? CR4ZE (talk) 11:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been replaced with a link to Muse (disambiguation). More appropriate as there are multiple articles/subjects with this name. Voceditenore (talk) 12:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Muse (band) 

message: The article title is 'Muse', singular.  Most of the content is about 'Muses', plural.  Please, please, /please/ can we have some literate editors and some sort of linguistic quality control in this would-be encyclopaedia?!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.114.111 (talk) 20:55, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This would've been funnier if you'd invented a user name. Cynwolfe (talk) 21:26, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

text: In Metamorphoses by Ovid (hopefully ancient enough), Calliope speaks for the rest of the muses as the most talented among them.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldCoastPrior (talk • contribs) 01:22, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many muses? One or more? 

message: "Seven classic examples are:"
Anyone else missing the monumental invocation of the Muses (115 vv.!) that constitutes the proem of Hesiod's Theogony?
--Heunir (talk) 00:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Function in Literature 

message: People keep adding classic examples but not changing the numeric value of that sentence. I changed it to "For example:" To allow for indefinite playfuntime adding of examples. Thanks for the Hesiod note, didn't remember that one.
CircularReason (talk) 22:17, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Seven Classic examples"

message: I deleted a large section on the "tenth muse." This was listed as a "somewhat conventional compliment paid to female poets." There was mention that Plato called Sappho the tenth muse (apparently in the Palatine Anthology), but looking at the text, she's at best listed as "equal" to the Muses, and not a "tenth Muse." Attribution to Plato is also uncertain. The remaining "tenth muse" citations are a combination of famous female poets and other abstract concepts that are not covered by the nine muses (e.g., "energy" or "film"). All in all, this is pretty incoherent. Perhaps a good comparison is this article that calls the actress Shilpa Shetty a "goddess." Wikipedia would obviously not include her as a potential "goddess" among the Hindu deities. The deleted section is below. --GoldCoastPrior (talk) 19:47, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Tenth Muse

message: The usage of TheMuse and The Muse is under discussion, see Talk:The Daily Muse -- 65.94.168.229 (talk) 05:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: TheMuse and The Muse

message: 1. "The earliest known records of the Nine Muses are from Boeotia, the homeland of Hesiod." What would be the records?
"Some ancient authorities thought that the Nine Muses were of Thracian origin." What is the ancient source?
"In Delphi they were whorshipped as Nḗtē, Mésē, and Hýpatē." What's the source?
"Alternatively, later they were called Kēphisṓ, Apollōnís, and Borysthenís, which names characterize them as daughters of Apollo." What's the source?
"In a later tradition, a set of four Muses were recognized: Thelxinóē, Aoidḗ Archē, and Melétē, said to be daughters of Zeus and Plusia or of Uranus." What is the tradition?
2. The article mentions Pierus. The link behind that name points to a page with two possibilites. Which one of the two applies?
3. "Some Greek writers give the names of the nine Muses as Kallichore, Helike, Eunike, Thelxinoë, Terpsichore, Euterpe, Eukelade, Dia, and Enope." Who are these Greek writers?
4. "Others included Science, Geography, Mathematics, Philosophy, and especially Art, Drama, and inspiration." Why should all the words be capitalized? Why should the last word in the set not be capitalized?
ICE77 (talk) 08:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions 

message: There is a requested move to place the word Muse at the disamb page instead of this one. This RM was opened on December 16, 2020. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempt to move the primary for [[Muse]] to the disamb page

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Muse (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 13:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: Should Muse (band), given 1) its pageviews (consistenly more than Muses) and 2) the likelihood that someone looking for the band ends up here through the Muse redirect (very likely), not be given a specific mention in the hatnote? i.e. "Muse" redirects here. For the band, see Muse (band). For other uses, see Muse (disambiguation). This seems to be common practice in this type of situation, and it would certainly save a lot of readers a click. It would not make the hatnote overly long and I see no other possible disadvantage to it. Lennart97 (talk) 22:40, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muse (band) in hatnote 

message: Is there a preferred order of the names? I noticed that it is not consistent in different languages and sources. If the order has no logic or meaning, would it be an idea to sort the names alphabetically everywhere? Wiki-uk (talk) 07:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorting order of the nine muses 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Muse (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 18:48, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: -per WP:REDCAT:
#REDIRECT Muses

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replies: text: * Pppery * it has begun... 20:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 24 March 2024