Talk:Money and ethnic votes

message: "The anglophone media regarded Parizeau's speech as highly antisemitic, asserting that "money and ethnic vote" was an attempt to target Jews.[1]" This statement is exaggerated and inaccurate. The one "media" used as a source is a McGill student press article that reviews the issue and doesn't even have clear conclusions about anti-semitism. Having lived through the painful times of the 2nd referendum, I think it's fair to say that the "money" to which Parizeau referred was not just the No committee money, but also the uncontrolled spending by the feds or others to bus in vast numbers of "loving" Canadians to Montreal, and to throw as much cash as could help the No vote. The "ethnics" aren't just Jews; there are many more Italians, Anglos (of British background), Chinese and other strongly federalist-leaning minorities in the Montreal area. Maybe in Parizeau's head, it had more sinister overtones, but for most non-French-Canadian federalists in Montreal, hearing that fingered them equally.  4ravach (talk) 01:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't say that they are bigots. Rather, that they were fooled by all the English media that do everything they can to portray Quebec nationalists as a bunch of evil nazis. As if they had any lessons to receive from the imperialists who built the Canadian nation. If all you had read all your life was Ontario's opinion of Quebec, and you knew nothing or very little of Quebec's history, you too would probably fall victim of this propaganda. The sponsorship scandal, which should really be called the anti-Quebec propaganda scandal, only reveals a small amount of the insane efforts done by Ottawa and the Liberal Party to undermine everything that Quebecers are doing to dig themselves out of the hole they were pushed into in 1840. Mathieugp 14:22, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: My aged memory failed me. The PDF doesn't include the observations to the Star about Mr. Parizeau's generalization. The Star had just published an editorial attacking Mr. Parizeau, and the next day had published some entirely indefensible accusations about people with disabilities. I pointed out that Mr. Parizeau was at least attempting to explain things. Well, I could ramble on and on (I'm ill and delirious at the moment, as I was yesterday when I made my previous observations), but you probably had enough of this long ago. Trontonian 20:11, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: We really should have some sources for some of the assertions made in the article. - 31 december 2005
: I agree. There are a lot of stats and some of the assertions will be contested eventually if they are not properly sourced. -- Mathieugp 15:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources?

message: I don't have a reference for this, but I have heard that "Par l'argent" was supposed to be a reference to the Montreal Jewish community.
: Yes. There was something published to that effet in a paper column. Maybe in the Montreal Gazette or any of the other English language newspapers continually defamating the sovereigntists. The money more accurately refers to the illegal expenditures of the No side during the 1995 referendum. See Option Canada, Committee to Register Voters Outside Quebec, Canadian Unity Council, 1995 Quebec referendum (section on spending limits) and Sponsorship scandal. -- Mathieugp 15:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has nothing to do with the Jewish community. Parizeau is an expert in state finances, and was perfectly aware of the expenditures on the NO side. Money came from various sources, both political and "commercial". Hugo Dufort 09:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A bunch of journalists wrote that he was essentially citing Jews as the cause.  Also, after the referendum, there was a pretty big move of Montreal Jewry moving to Toronto and Ottawa. 67.193.131.167 (talk) 01:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-Semitic remark

message: I think this statement is notable enough to have its own article. --soulscanner (talk) 04:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that the support to merge this article seems to be non-existent, I think it's time to remove the Merger template. Sima Yi (talk) 06:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't be moved 

message: The monies of the sponsorship scandal were distributed *after* the referendum.  The sponsorship money was meant to prevent further sovereignty referendums from succeeding.  This is totally different from the large amount of money that was spent on the "No" campaign during the 1995 referendum.  I'm removing the reference in this article 142.73.67.1 (talk) 21:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sponsorship Scandal 

message: Considering the article is 1/3 transcript, 1/3 a translation, and 1/3 information that can easily fit in Quebec referendum, 1995, I would propose it be merged in there. Knoper (talk) 00:04, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger with Quebec referendum, 1995