Talk:Bernard Tomic

message: It should be mentioned that he had won the Florida Orange Bowl Tournament 3 times consectuvily. This should be mentioned because every time he is mentioned in the papers this feat is harped about. Apparently it is the most prestigous non grand slam junior tournament in the world. The papers might be talkng shit, but this should still be mentioned, because they are his only achievements to date.
What the hell? there is only a under 12 and a under 14 Orange Bowl so how the hell can you win it three times consecutively?, people need to get their facts straight before they should even contribute!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jah89 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Florida Orange Bowl

message: Ok, I have just given the article a much needed boost; it now has some interesting information about his junior career. However, I can't seem to find a decent picture, perhaps someone could work on that? 202.89.163.157 (talk) 08:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: :Bernard Tomic was born in Germany but his parents are war refugees from Tuzla, a town in northern Bosnia.
:Bernard's father is an ethnic Croat while his mother is an ethnic Bosniak both from Tuzla.
:Zec (talk) 23:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is fine. Can you provide a source to confirm these statistics? If so, we can amend the lede to include his Bosniak background (alongside Croatian) as well as add the Bosnian language to the opening translation. Evlekis (talk) 07:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  His parents are from the Bosnia 

message: The :Category:Australian people of German descent, added in  on 4 August 2010 by Mayumashu, should be removed from this article. Tomic or his parents were never German, as far as we know. Being born in Germany before 2000 does not confer German citizenship, which is quite difficult to obtain. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Australian people of German descent ? 

message: A source from the International Tennis Federation (which has been recently added to the article) shows that his mother's name is Adisa (along with the names of his father and sister) -
http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/player.asp?player=100096396
As anyone from ex-Yugoslavia would know, Adisa is a Bosniak name for females. Ethnic Croatian females are not given this name.
Articles from the Western world use the term "Bosnian" to refer to Bosniaks and people from Bosnia as a whole, as this is what the term essentially means. Most notably, they have used the term to refer to Tomic's maternal side of the family (predominantly his mother), so while it is common knowledge that Bernard's mother is a Bosniak, it should not deter the article from using the term "Bosnian". 
For what it's worth, the term Bosnian Australian is used to refer to Australians with Bosnian ancestry (Bosniaks) and Australians who have come from Bosnia.
Also, another important thing to note is that all sources provided mention "Croatian and Bosnian" when referring to Tomic's roots. Tthe following Croatian news-read (which has also been recently added to the article as a source) does this -
"BERNARD TOMIĆ, 18-godišnji Australac hrvatskih i bosanskih korijena"
Translated: 
"Bernard Tomic, the 18-year-old Australian of Croatian and Bosnian roots"
http://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/rezultat-karijere-18godisnjeg-tomica-morao-sam-si-dati-sansu-/558192.aspx
I think it's time one certain vandal (signature starting with T) stops vandalising the article (for whatever reason, I do not know - most likely out of nationalistic bias) and takes every relevant source into account. Tomic is of both Croatian and Bosnian (Bosniak) roots. Nothing but the factual truth is meant to be added to Wikipedia articles - pure and simple. These sources only solidify this.
Jas315 (talk) 03:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Until you have a source that uses the term "Bosniak", you can't use it on the article. It's as simple as that. Absconded Northerner (talk) 09:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I've finally found the policy I've been looking for - WP:SYNTH. You're not allowed to say "Fact 1 + Fact 2 = Fact 3" on this site - you have to find a reliable source (WP:RS) that says it for you. It doesn't matter whether or not you believe it to be true, you need to find a source. That's the end of the matter. Absconded Northerner (talk) 10:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother's name is Adisa, which is a Bosniak name for females - Also, Croatian article stating that Tomic is of "Croatian and Bosnian roots" 

message: I'm not going to edit it because it seems that there has been a great deal of discussion on this topic, but having thirteen footnotes at the end of that sentence is stupid, it is making the article look messy. I think perhaps the three most reliable sources would be sufficient. Mato (talk) 13:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree completely with you, Mato. Jenks24 (talk) 13:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree too. Several of them don't really address the issue of his parentage anyway, only his place of birth - and nobody's disagreeing about that (yet!). Absconded Northerner (talk) 13:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parents' nationality 

message: Bosnia-Herzegovina demographics (CIA Fact Book):
Bosniaks/Muslims (48%), Serbs (37.1%), Croats (14.3%), others (0.6 %) 
source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bk.html
STOP CLAIMING THAT BOSNIAN = BOSNIAK,  WHEN MOST BOSNIANS AREN'T!  
Tifetondu (talk) 09:14, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  FACT:  The majority of "Bosnians" (52%) are NOT "Bosniaks". 

message: Common Bosniak first names do not always prove ethnicity in the former Yugoslavia.  
Examples:
"Alisa" Maric (woman Grandmaster in chess) is a Serb.
"Aida" Ljubicic (wife of tennis player Ivan Ljubicic) is a Croat.
"Zlata" Filipovic (the Anne Frank of Sarajevo) is a Bosnian Croat.
"Jasmina" Tesanovic (feminist author) is a Serb.
"Damir" Dokic (father of tennis player Jelena Dokic) is a Serb.
"Zlatan Stipisic" (singer) is a Croat. 
Same goes with Croatian and Serbian first names:
"Tomislav" Nikolic (politician) is a Serb.
"Zlatko" Lagumdžija (politician) is a Bosniak.
"Zvonimir Vukic" (footballer) is a Serb.
"Dragan" Cović (politician) is a Bosnian Croat.
Stop making assumptions and uncorroborated claims just on someone's first name...YOUR PERSONAL OPINION PROVES NOTHING !
Tifetondu (talk) 09:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you actually read the discussion above, nobody - nobody - is claiming that Tomic is a Bosniak. Please stop shouting and contribute sensibly. Absconded Northerner (talk) 09:47, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Those women names are Bosniak (Muslim names) but because they got married to those men means they changed surnames. Isnt that obvious? Beside, if Timic's parents are originally from Bosnia, that means they used to be Bosnians. There is a source that his parents (both parents) are from a town near Tuzla (Husovo) - majority are Catholic croats but all of them are Bosnians. This is what Im trying to get across.
You're clutching at straws, Tife.
Any Muslim-born person, Bosniak or ex-Yugoslav (Serbian or Croatian) will tell you that Adisa is not a Serbian or Croatian name. If you said otherwise, they would laugh at you. The only way for a person to obtain such a name is through marriage. Names in the Balkans are a big deal when identifying a person by his/her religion/cultural heritage, there is no "lee-way" like there is in Australia.
Nevertheless, as pointed out before, Adisa was born Adisa Vatić - Vatić is a Bosniak last name. 
Translated:
"while his mother Adisa, born Vatić, from Brčko."
http://sportsport.ba/tenis/tomic-stigao-beckera/59658
The fact that both of her birth names are Bosniak only points to one thing.
However, there are no sources for any of these claims regarding the heritage of all names, no matter how much a person from ex-Yugoslavia would know and recognize (and I guarantee those from ex-Yugoslavia reading this will). Wikipedia simply does not work without primary sources (note: primary, not secondary sources like heresay from his Croatian father).
As far as I'm concerned, as much as I would have preferred Absconded's proposed opening paragraph due to the fact that it favours neither side - the opening paragraph agreed upon by everyone else is fine enough. The issue, for the moment, has been settled with the best possible compromise. 
Jas315 (talk) 01:02, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

text: An important thing to remember is that consensus can change. The current version (by Jenks24, per discussion above) was used because it had everyone's support. If we reach a point where more people are in favour of my version (the only person opposing seems to be Bbrezic), then that can easily become the current version. I just wish Tifetondu would participate properly instead of shouting and unilaterally inserting his/her own version. Absconded Northerner (talk) 01:12, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree with the current version. It is totally biased and doesn't provide substantial arguments/references. It draws on Tomic's "My parents have a Croatian background". I have provided a reference above, from a neutral person - Bernard's first Australian coach who knows the mother's side. Why should John Tomic's answer in the media be given so much weight? (Heis a Croat - and we know that Bosnia/Croatia are patriarchal societies - so obviously he will claime "We are Croats", and similarly Bernard will too (under influece from his father - after all he came to Aus as a three-year old, hence his answer is completely irrelevant). But this is precisely the point - A neutral Australian (i.e. not interested in fathers' patriarchal dominance) KNOWS the mother is Bosnian. This in my belief bears more weight that what John or Bernard Tomic say (let alone other generic sources from the web which claim this or that without any substantiation - and were probably picked up from other websites themselves). The articleshould say "Bosnian and Croatian descent", without any further nonesense. Why is it so hard to accept that and instead propose some kind of false compromises without doing so?Zeddi30 (talk) 05:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree with Absconded Northerner that consensus can change. To Jas, using one reference to say that Tomic's mother's name is ____ and then using another source to say that _____ is a Bosniak name is synthesising sources and constitutes original research. Please provide a reference that proves your point, not just stating where his mother is born. To Zeddi, there is absolutely no way that Tomic's opinion on the issue is "completely irrelevant". This is a BLP and the subject's opinion on such a clearly divisive issue must be taken into account. That said, thank you for providing the reference from The Age in the above section. I would hope we will be able to work into the article that his maternal grandmother is Bosnian. Perhaps something along the lines of "In an interview, Tomic stated that his parents "have a Croatian background". However, his maternal grandmother is a Bosnian and, as a result, many sources identify Tomic as being of Croatian and Bosnian heritage."? Jenks24 (talk) 07:18, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi again Jenks24, to me that Quote by Bernard is then redundant. We've established there is Bosnian descent, we know there is Croatian descent - both are now established facts. Can't we just agree on "He is of Bosnian and Croatian" descent. Why going in circles then? Why the superflous, redundant bits? To me at least this seems a no-brainer, and I cannot help but feel that some contributors seem to be sabotageing this. Why should then an established FACT that he IS of both Bosnian and Croatian descent demand any more compromise by way of that superflous paragraph?.Zeddi30 (talk) 12:20, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Eversman, please don't speculate about the intentions or reasoning of other users, as you have done several times, most recently by claiming they feel "threatened". To do so is not CIVIL. Personally, I think the statements are quite relevant, but that their importance is being overstated, as both cases involved somebody giving a simple answer to a different question. As I said above, the current version of the text is good enough, but I'd prefer to see a more neutral and simple wording being used. Absconded Northerner (talk) 11:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I will correct my previous comment and will say that Tomic's statement IS relevant. But how does it change the facts - it doesn't! Personally, I have Croatian (Bosnian Croat) background, I have Bosniak background. I can choose to say "Bosnian", I can choose to say "Croatian" if someone asks - this does not mean I have no "Bosnian Descent" if I say "My parents are of Croatian" descent, or vice versa. Did he ever say "I have no Bosnian descent' - When he does, I'll quit this discussion. Why do we need the extra information? It sounds so amateurish and superflous. As I've said, simplify it along the lines I've proposed above as I do not agree with the current version.Zeddi30 (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the sentence for two reasons: 1. How is this reference relevant? Where is the authors source? Seems to me to be rather generic article. 2. Even if the reference were relevant, I don't see how the sentence is important for the article except to stress on the "Croatian" and diminish the "Bosnian". I will never give in to Eversman's far-right nationalistic propaganda. This is the same cretin who promotes guns, Bush, greed and anti-socialist paranoia. Absonded Norhterner, forgime me for being politically incorrect, but is this the person you wanna compromise with. Yuk! Zeddi30 (talk) 07:50, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am reporting this shameful and offensive line of text. You should be a shame of yourself, I have never seen such low level of communication. You don't discuss by attacking other users personal views. Shame on you.--Bbrezic (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The only insult here is discussing this article (or anything) with Tudjmanoid fascist lowlives like you and E. I've stated above that I didn't agree with "consensus" for the reasons I've given. The article is obviously one-sided and reads like shit. Zeddi30 (talk) 15:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  FALLACY: "Adisa" is a Bosniak first name = Tomic's mother is Bosniak. 

message: I'm not going to start an edit war, even one where consensus has recently been established, so I've initiated this discussion on AN/I. Absconded Northerner (talk) 01:49, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest edits 

message: A source has now been added to support the claim that his parents originated from Yugoslavia. For everyone's information, it is stated on the fourth paragraph. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 12:18, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Absconded Northerner (talk) 12:20, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for filling the relevant parts. I was a bit short for time earlier. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 15:16, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parental homeland 

message: On the Gold Coast it is a common rumour that Bernard Tomic is actually 2 years older than he claims (21 years old - not 19). A piece of the supporting evidence for this is the car which he recieved on his birthday - the liscence plate stating BTO21 (Benard Tomic 21). http://www.goldcoast.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2012/01/26/TOMIC-HOLES-UP-AT-HOME.jpg
There aren't any trusted sources (news stories/quotes from family etc.) for this as of yet. But as Tomic's fame continues to grow it will likely pop up more often. Am interested if anyone else has more information on the subject. Thanks. Pierricbross (talk) 08:00, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bernard Tomic's real(?) age 

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message: Under "Junior career" we have "...he qualified for the Sunsmart 18 and Under Canterbury Championships in New Zealand". Under what? The source is dead. HiLo48 (talk) 06:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something missing, including a source 

message: I've never heard his name said as it is indicated with the IPA. Instead of the o corresponding to the vowel in fraud, I've head it correspond to the vowel in bomb. The vowel /ɒ/ not /ɔ:/ 
Hollth (talk) 03:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has already fixed it. Mr KEBAB (talk) 18:23, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Pronunciation 

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message: Is it Tȍmić (1, 2) or Tómić (2)? LoveVanPersie (talk) 17:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The pronunciation of ''Tomić''