Talk:Sailor Senshi/Archive 1

message: You may have seen this at other places on the Internet that I used to frequent.  I always refer to the individual Sailor Senshi by number and not by name, and I reflected this "numbering scheme" in the picture that I just put into this article.  If you want to change or delete the caption of that picture, feel free to do so, but please ask beforehand, either on this page or on my talk page, why I have this numbering scheme in the first place, how I devised it, and/or how other people have responded to it in the past, if I have not already explained it to you in the past.  Denelson83 07:33, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: See also User talk:Denelson83/Sailor Moon. Denelson83 19:56, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Takeuchi-san's choice, I guess. Denelson83 23:03, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbering of characters 

message: Actually, Senshi redirects here. A disambiguation link that has been recently removed makes sense, but with different words, like Sailor redirects here. For the professional wrestler, see.... Or make Senshi a disambiguation page with two links. -- ReyBrujo 18:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: *Could someone explain this to me?  This article (or Sailor Moon, not sure) claims that "senshi" has no particular meaning, but I see it used a lot in other anime, and it's translated into "warrior".  Thanks in advance. Danny Lilithborne 06:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Gjiten: 戦士 (せんし) (n) soldier; combatant; warrior; (P); -- ReyBrujo 07:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite correct. I've attempted to clarify the section of this article that looks like it might have prompted that confusion. --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 07:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of "Senshi" 

message: I propose merging in the Sailor Wars article, as most of the information there is covered here already. If no one objects, I'll do this Friday, September 8th. --Masamage 04:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's only 1 am, and I try to wait until later than this, but this particular merge seems pretty noncontroversial, as it involves the addition of just one word. Moving ahead. --Masamage 07:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of Sailor Wars 

message: As far as I can see, the only Senshi who aren't either mentioned or linked to here are Cosmos and Chibi Chibi Moon. I'll add those tomorrow, unless anyone wants to go for it sooner. --Masamage 05:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes thats true but other senshi have no info and that is more inportent I propose we add a page for "Other Senshi" that inculudes info on senshi like, Demios, Phobios, Buttress, and other "Little known senshi" The site Shrine of little known senshi has good info on them.Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather put those at List of minor Sailor Moon characters and link out to it. That's what it's for. --Masamage 01:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not mentioned 

message: (since this applies to all senshi I put this here, if its in the wrong place please move it)
Instead of saying that "In the english Dub she does not say MAKE-UP!" 5 times on each page. how about includeing a note that says they never say it unless other wise noted.Lego3400: The Sage of Time 01:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea...I feel like it has enough immediate relevance (since the henshin sequences and other powers are all about spoken words) to stay in the Senshi articles. However, each bio should only mention that once, either before or after the list of transformations. --Masamage 04:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No MAKE UP! said. 

message: Notably, though, the Inner Senshi transformed into their Super forms under their own power while the Outer Senshi had to rely on the help of a crystal to transform into their Super forms.
This is not quite true - in the manga and anime Saturn powers up the Outers, and in the anime, wasn't it Pegasus who helped the Inners' tranformation? (I'm a little foggy on the last.) --KagamiNoMiko 10:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Saturn thing is right, but I'm foggy about how the Inners powered up, too... Looks like it's time to dig around in Hitoshi Doi's summaries... --Masamage 16:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was indeed Pegasus who got the Inners into their super forms. --  Denelson83  02:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was in the episode where Fish-eye used a fake pegasus to put doubts into the Senshi's minds.  When the pegasus remless trapped Sailor Moon and Chibi Moon in a dome, the real pegasus pleaded with the other Senshi to open their hearts to him and to believe in him so that he could give them stronger powers.  From that moment on, they used their new henshin wands and the "Crystal Power Make-up!" phrase.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notably, though, the Inner Senshi transformed... 

message: While we're at Mask/Kamen, let's vote for this too. Which term should we use?
In this case, I actually vote in favor of Senshi, for a few reasons. The first is that the translation of senshi seems to vary a lot depending on where you look, so this sidesteps that problem. That's the big deal of it for me.
The second thing is that it gets 83,000 Google hits, where "Sailor Soldier" and "Sailor Soldiers" combined get 43,700. Warrior/Warriors gets 23,600, so Senshi outdoes both those translations combined.
On the other hand ,"Sailor Scout" and "Sailor Scouts" get 104,000. So I guess you could vote for that, but...gross. ;___;
Thoughts? --Masamage 01:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disgusting!!  I hate "scout".  While the subtitled versions use the word "soldier", I prefer the usage of "senshi".  Simply because there is no real translation for it and I think that it's more popular, as you proved above.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: A good point to raise. I think I disagree, because a "Sailor Senshi" is something very specific, such that even if you know what the individual words mean, you'd still need to read the article to know what we're talking about. On the other hand, someone who reads those episode articles without knowing Japanese would have no idea what the name of the anime was. --Masamage 03:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Senshi FTW. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 20:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soldier or Senshi? 

message: Yes, I know, back to basics.  ;)  Here's my first draft:
:A girl with the power to become a Sailor Senshi lives her normal life, with perhaps some powers endowed by her slumbering Sailor Crystal (esp. in the manga), until she obtains her henshin item, whereupon she can transform into her Senshi form.  For the Inner Senshi, when the girl is endangered by an evil monster, her planetary symbol begins to glow, which enables Luna to identify the girl as a Sailor Senshi, and produce the henshin item.  After the girl has taken up her mantle as a Sailor Senshi, memories from the past life can begin returning.  Sometimes, the girl can be spoken to by her Sailor Senshi form (ref from when the current girls got their Super forms) - this might be called the 'quintessential' Sailor Senshi.  (A quote from the manga about what the quintessential Sailors are would be better than this piece of OR!)  All of the current Sailor Team's awakenings have been recorded, except for Sailor Neptune and Sailor Pluto.
So there you go.  Very much WIP, very much OR, and quite possibly needed.  Little help, please?  - Malkinann 01:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How does a Senshi awaken? 

message: These titles: Sailor Warrior and セーラー戦士 link to this article. --PJ Pete
:Sounds fine to me. Please add new comments to the bottom of talk pages. --Masamage 05:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese text one was deleted.  Most likely because this is an English language Wikipedia and no one will look for article using Kanji, etc.  I didn't delete it, I just noticed it.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page name 

message: Who? Why is there no info on her anyplace. Doesn't it sound like the name of a Phage though? Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 16:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a character in the musicals. I haven't seen them either. --Masamage 22:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Astarte 

message: should we add a picture of a fan made Senshi to the section that says about fan made Senshi? i have one we could use ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 16:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. Everyone would want their Senshi in that spot. o_O --Masamage 18:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: There is is a good article on fan-made senshi, or otaku senshi over at wikimoon here, though I would ask people not add there own otaku senshi as the article is just supposed to be an overview of that part of the fandom. --GracieLizzie 19:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: For future reference, if you want to show an image for consideration, it should not be uploaded to Wikipedia's servers unless there is agreement that it will be used. It needs to be put somewhere else until/unless it is needed. --Masamage 19:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn't have a section on senshi named after attributes, and other non-space related things. We aught to add one. --GracieLizzie 19:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: do you know if/when that page is gona be on normal wikipedia ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 23:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't fulfil WP's notability guidelines, so probably not. That's why Project WikiMoon exists; to cover the stuff that doesn't fit in over here. --Masamage 00:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: does that mean i have to get rid of it? ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 19:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Upload it to another free service, like Image Shack or Photo Bucket. Then link it in the place of the one you've linked here. --GracieLizzie 19:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it looks better like this ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 19:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:Images#Using images explains why we can't do that. --Masamage 21:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Looks great to me. --Masamage ♫ 01:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  fan-made ''Senshi'' 

message: All those who were concerned about the Inners/Outers naming, please join this discussion. --Masamage ♫ 01:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New grouping proposal 

message: In their second form, Uranus and neptune still have short gloves. Saturn may still have her fancy gloves but i'm not sure....--Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 15:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, you're right. I was working from the manga. In the anime those two do retain their special gloves; Saturn, though, gets normal ones. I'll fix it. --Masamage ♫ 21:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Generic Error 

message: I've looked over the article and I can't find anything else to improve on, so maybe we should ask for outside sources?  What do you guys think? Zemalia (talk) 05:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm down. ^^ --Masamage ♫ 05:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its now up at Wikipedia:Peer review/Sailor Senshi/archive1.  Hopefully we can get some input.  I'll put this up on the main project page as well. Zemalia (talk) 17:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! ^__^ I'll keep an eye on it. --Masamage ♫ 01:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh come on now, the bot tried!  ;)  Part of the problem, I think, is that the Sailor Senshi concept is somewhat advanced for someone who's not into superheroes or Sailor Moon.  Naoko Takeuchi is a living person, Sailor Stars is a comic and TV season, and so people have frames of reference for what they think would be useful in those situations, but it takes us four paragraphs to even begin to summarise what a Sailor Senshi is. That, and peer review doesn't have the traffic it used to - sometimes people put stuff up for review without even reviewing another person's article in return! -Malkinann (talk) 00:07, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact is that it was a bot that reviewed the article.  This was supposed to be peer review, not bot review. --  Denelson83  02:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review? 

message: Should we mention them or put all their info at their page. They are Planetary Sol system, senshi ablit assigned to Chibi-moon instead of Moon. Would their inclusion in the page confuse things future? --Lego3400:  The Sage of Time (talk) 16:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not planetary; they rule over asteroids. And they're mentioned in the Variants section. --Masamage ♫ 17:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Quartet 

message: To help with the problems of secondary sources and better organization, one thing that needs to happen is for a bunch of the info in the lead section to be moved into separate subsections. I imagine something like this:
*Lead - Summarizing what and who a Senshi is, why it's important to the series
*Development - How Takeuchi came up with the idea, how it progressed, out-of-universe facts
*Series definition - How Senshi work in the series - females only, star seeds, planets, etc. All cited from Naoko.
**Uniforms - As now, but figure out some way to make the citations more clear (I have refs, but it's hard to do that in a picture)
*The Sailor Team - As now
*Variations - As now, given a workover
Is there third-party information about the Senshi or their uniforms? It must be covered in Warriors of Legend or some of the scholarly essays, but I don't have access to those. Any contributions? --Masamage ♫ 20:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I seem to recall that Grigsby treats the uniform as "zomg, sex fetish!", as does Anne Allison less so in "character goods come to the US".  Allison also talks about the senshi representing a merged duality of masculine-warrior and beautiful-feminine traits in both her book chapter and in the US paper.  It's been a while since I've read them. -Malkinann (talk) 04:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh! Well, that's something. I'll keep looking, too. (Is it just me, or are Westerners the weird ones here? X) ) --Masamage ♫  —Preceding comment was added at 06:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually... crazy thought here, but would it be feasible to merge the non-character-specific portions of Sailor Crystal into Sailor Senshi? -Malkinann (talk) 11:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, maybe. We could probably condense the length of that description a lot, and merge it into the series definition of a Senshi?  --Masamage ♫ 03:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah, that was kind of what I was driving at - the Sailor Crystal maketh the Senshi.  There's a fair bit of star seed information, though - that could probably be summarised and merged out to Shadow Galactica#Phage? -Malkinann (talk) 06:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe so. They are kind of the same thing, which spans storylines, but it's true that it's pretty small for its own article. Sailor Crystal here and Star Seed at Shadow Galactica makes sense, though; they can link back and forth to each other. Actually, would it make better sense to put Star Seed at Sailor Stars, in the same way the Talismans now live at Sailor Moon S? --Masamage ♫ 16:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd thought of that, but Sailor Stars is really big. Should I put up some general notices?-Malkinann (talk) 20:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The star seeds are a pretty quick explanation, though. And yeah, let's get some more people in on this. --Masamage ♫ 15:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I usedta be proud of the Sailor Crystal article, but now I'm more in tune with policy. ^_^ Merging is probably a good idea. JuJube (talk) 03:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, I've been bold and moved Sailor Crystally stuff to a new section on Sailor Senshi, and all starseedy stuff to a new section in Sailor Stars.  I'm not sure that the list of crystals is needed any more in here, given that we pass over them in each senshi's "Powers and abilities" section???? -Malkinann (talk) 03:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Gah, I totally forgot about this. That's what I get for planning stuff the day before my husband's birthday. :P But, looks good! Thank you for doing that. And I think you're completely right about the list; I'll go ahead and whack it out for now. Hopefully, the Sailor Crystal section can eventually be merged with our hypothetical in-universe explanation of a Senshi, and be nearer the top of the page. But this is okay for now. --Masamage ♫ 04:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New reorganization 

message: Would it be okay with everyone if we tossed the different images of the Inner/Outer Senshi and just relied on the Sailor Team pic at the top of the article for illustration? --Masamage ♫ 01:57, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds great. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea. I rather keep them but if it violates the FUC go ahead and chuck them out. However, we must label the Sailor Team image in the caption who is who, otherwise people who come and read probably wouldn't know the difference between Inner/Outer.--Hanaichi 05:52, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No protests, so I'll go ahead and do this now. --Masamage ♫ 18:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair-use images 

message: We've assumed that they are opaque due to ESM's sleeves in the anime, but the artwork on the offical site's profile section shows the other Senshi with semi-transparent "puffs" instead of opaque ones. (Moon isn't pictured in her Eternal Form though :( ). Another update for the Sailor Generic Image and uniform section perhaps?--Lego3400:  The Sage of Time (talk) 18:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They're definitely opaque in the manga, as can be seen on the Materials Collection cover. Meanwhile, I don't think that one drawing with them as transparent is quite notable unless it spawns something new... --Masamage ♫ 21:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third form Sleeves.