Talk:Imaginationland Episode II

message: Isent this called Imaginationland Part 2 not episode 2  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.243.251 (talk) 12:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as far as we know, the episode is called "Inaginationland Episode II". The Chronic 14:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Go to the episode guide at southparkstudios.com. The title is correct.--Swellman 16:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Part Two?

message: Before a list of nightmare creatures gets started, can be PLEASE discuss the issue of placing the list? I don't want to see the same issue from the first episode on here. Douglasr007 02:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should place it at the bottom, and slightly off-center to give the article a dynamic look that the reader will find subconsciously unsettling, as befits the "evil" theme of the episode. Captain Infinity 02:19, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I'm talking about a list shouldn't be made on here until an agreement in made if a list of characters that appear for a less than a minute fall under notability guidelines. It's obviously notable to mention Freddy, Predator, Alien, and the Woodland Critters. Douglasr007 02:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps there should be two lists - one for the imaginary "good guys" and one for the villains. Aasartor 03:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists 

message: Anyone know if this is the same scene as the one in Abyss? --68.209.227.3 02:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's exactly what I was reminded of, too.  Anyone know if Cartman is saying the same lines?NiGHTS into Dreams... 02:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know but it kinda reminded me of one scene on Lost too. Don't now if it deserves to be mentioned tho (when Jack tries to bring back Charlie...)
Cartman's line "You never backed away from anything in your life! Now fight!" is taken verbatim from the abyss  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.191.6.88 (talk) 07:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Lots of things resemble lots of other things. Unless something 'big' is mentioned, like Trey Parker saying 'We wrote the CPR scene with 'Lost' in mind', mentioning another scene just because it is similar is pointless. Lots42 18:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kyle's death scene 

message: --68.9.193.246 02:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: work on the plot for now, then go to the cultural references

message: Kyle will never suck Cartman's balls because the contract is null and void. The contract is null and void because Cartman had to prove that a leprechaun was REAL. A leprechaun, at least in this case, was not real, it was by technical definition imaginary. I simply can not see this plotline stretching out in episode three. I "imagine" that they'll focus on Stan falling (back) into Imaginationland and teaming up with Butters somehow to fix everything back to the way it was; possibly by imagining it that way. --166.102.104.42 03:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Isn't it obvious by now (SPOILER?)

message: Can anyone tell me who the evil imaginary character in the golden armor is?  It looks like some greek god or something.  I know I've seen him before, and I just can't remember what movie/tv series/book he's supposed to be from.  It's driving me nuts...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.252.188.22 (talk) 03:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Think it is a character from Excalibur (film) this one. ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 04:35, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

text: You're right -- it's Mordred from Excalibur --216.15.61.200 13:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evil Imaginary Character:  Man in the Golden Armor 

message: Is it possible that this is a oxymoron? In the episode 4th Grade, the nerds argue over if there was ever a two-parter in Battlestar Galatica, coming to the conclusion that there was not. So I am not arguing the dramatic effect that it is common in dramas, just that it is specifically a show that does not have "previously on *****"? 143.195.150.63
:Uhm...that's the joke...among other things. Are you sure you watch South Park? Maybe you're tired and didn't "get it." --166.102.104.42 07:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing more to it. It's a reference to the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica series which began in 2004 (Parker and Stone are huge fans). In 4th Grade, which was made in 2000, they would have been referring to the original series from the late 70's. Both series had 2-parters, anyway. And so did Star Trek. Schrödinger 21:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previously on Battlestar Galactica 

message: Shouldn't it be noted that this goof is possibly (I believe most probably) intentional?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.78.11.77 (talk) 06:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goofs? 

message: The wizard is obviously Gandalf the Grey. Dumbledore does not wear a grey pointed hat like that. Ψαμαθος 07:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Council of Nine 

message: I wonder how many copyright violations are there in these episodes?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.162.35 (talk) 14:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None. See Parody.Brian Schlosser42 16:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal question 

message: Where the hell is he in all of this? --68.209.227.3 15:33, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: maybe he'll show up in the next episode and die some strange death. maybe they just thought it was too easy to kill him off or maybe they wanted to dramaticize the (almost) death of kyle by not involving kenny at all since we all know not to care about his death (yes i know that in the Cartmanland episode this wasnt the case). --Whitey138
Yeah what happened to jimmy too?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.70.6 (talk) 20:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I also noticed that Big Gay Al was absent from this episode to! JayKeaton 20:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure cause i haven't seen all the episodes yet, but didn't Kenny die permanently? 213.217.242.7 21:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah... kind of.... but no.  He's alive, and it irritates me to no end how many people think it's noteworthy to mention every damn character who didn't appear in whatever episode.  I immediately delete these and suggest that there be a list in that characters page of notable absences, if people just can't bear to have that all so important information not mentioned somewhere.  Keep it out of the episode articles, it's completely irrelevant. Professor Chaos 23:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenny? 

message: In the scene with Khan Noonien Sihn, Jason, and whomever that is, looks like a robotic Kublai Khan...
Speaking of that, should a list of 'Real' Imaginary characters shown, be compiled, with perhaphs a controversy/intended message be given?
It almost looks like Matt and Trey somehow see Jesus as both real, and fake...
Notably, Satan does not appear, likely as he is too similar to other characters use. Matt or is it Treys, 'angry' voice can only be used for 5 different characters in an episode before they sound too similar...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.52.195 (talk) 20:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no evidence of any controversy regarding the characters used. The gods in the list, like Zeus and Jesus, would fall under imaginary. JayKeaton 20:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The woodland Christmas critters also were fictional characters. And besides the 9 were introduced as imaginary characters and Jesus is IN imagination land. Besides, other imaginary characters like Aslan also appeared in other episodes like Here Comes the Neighborhood JayKeaton 22:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget that Najix the giant taco that craps ice cream was real in one episode, but thats not to say its not imaginary... After all I think that we can all agree that the Jesus in South Park is an imaginary character.... don't you? :-) -- UKPhoenix79 22:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Two Khans and Real Imaginary Characters

message: The Council of Nine are separate characters in the main body of the story and is interlinked in the article itself so the reader will know who Council of Nine are, merging them with the other characters leaves the reader with no idea who they all are.▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 01:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind someone named them all in body of the article▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 02:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No prob :-) -- UKPhoenix79 02:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Council of Nine 

message: Who's the guy with the human body, bull-head (with horns, not sure what it exactly is), and an axe? He has a relatively prominent role in the story since they show him a lot, and he speaks too, but I just can't figure out who he is. 
My apologies, I just realized it's a minotaur. Sorry for the wasted space.Dannysk89 04:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown Evil Character 

message: I don't think the only reason Cartman cried for Kyle is the ball-sucking thing. I think, deep down, he really did care.
And didn't one episode say something like that? 74.132.113.20 22:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cartman's Tears 

message: Surely the fact that the two parts are the same means it should be noted? The eyesocket scene may not have been taken directly from the movie, but the fact remains, they are the same, therefore it should be noted. 83.100.181.173 09:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  See No Evil 

message: I don't think that separate article for Imaginationland inhabitants is a good idea. Fleutist 12:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be part of a merged, single article for all three parts of this one episode; or better yet it could be a section of the List of minor characters on South Park. Professor Chaos 22:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would go along with it being part of the [[List of minor characters on South Park]}--Cartman005 02:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Inhabitants of Imaginationland]] 

message: I have requested comment from neutral editors to hopefully have this merge dispute resolved.--Swellman 02:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment 

message: Did I see a pirate as the monsters?(TougHHead 03:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Monster sighting

message: Whereas Ryan simply removed the sections, I felt that , if sourced, they can return. The following trivia bits from allusions need to be reliably and notably sourced (and no, a fan forum is not such). they cannot be added without aforementioned citation.
:::Allusions
:::*The scene where Cartman is walking through the wheat field makes reference to Gladiator when the character Maximus walks through the tall wheat of his homeland, the quote "every night the dream is the same" comes from Terminator 2: Judgment Day.
:::*The Mayor of Imaginationland telling Butters mockingly to click his heels three times to return home is a reference to The Wizard of Oz where the same method is used by Dorothy and Toto to return to Kansas.
:::*The scene of the ManBearPig emerging through the gate and attacking scientists is extremely similar to a scene in the videogame Doom 3 where two Hellknights must be defeated before the player enters the Hell level
:::*The scene where Cartman revives Kyle is taken from another similar resuscitation scene in the film The Abyss even using the same dialog from the movie "You never backed away from anything in your life! Now fight!".
:::*Butters' meeting with the Council of Nine is a direct reference to the scene in Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, where Frodo is taken to Rivendell.
:::*When Butters, Snarf, and the Lollipop King are fleeing through the Gumdrop Forest, the path they are using is the exact same walkway from the Candy Land boardgame.
:::*The table that the Council of Nine sits at is strikingly similar to the triforce from "The Legend of Zelda" series.
:::*The episode opens with Cartman intoning "Previously, on Battlestar Galactica," over a still of that show's logo, in the same manner that every episode of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica opens.
- Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are indicating you think this should be included in the article, I would have to disagree. Lots42 (talk) 11:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed section

message: Again, cite this stuff and it can remain;
* The scene where Cartman is desperately trying to resuscitate Kyle, screaming "Dammit, you've never walked away from anything in your life, now FIGHT!" is drawn from the science-fiction movie The Abyss - specifically, the scene where Ed Harris' character is attempting to resuscitate Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio after she has drowned in water near freezing point.
* Cartman's dream sequence is similar to the dream sequences from Gladiator and from Final Fantasy.
Alastairward (talk) 11:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Devil's Advocate; the last two are already sufficently cited. Lots42 (talk) 20:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it is. Although Stargate was already mentioned in the article itself, should it be repeated? Alastairward (talk) 09:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be a victim of edits, but I see no mention of Stargate in either the Part 1 or Part 2.Lizbetann (talk) 03:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural references 

message: Can we have some sort of discussion about adding in, or leaving out, a reference to the Abyss? This 'edit war' has been going on for months and months. Lots42 (talk) 09:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No discussion needed. If it can be cited, include it, if not, don't. Alastairward (talk) 17:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Fair enough, but your deletion of the Stargate ref confuses me. The very -mention- is a ref, because Kurt Russel -was- in a movie where he goes to another realm via a big circular portal. It's like deleting a reference to Kevin Bacon being 'in that one movie about worms living underground'. Lots42 (talk) 04:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So obvious that it shouldn't or couldn't be cited, which is it? Alastairward (talk) 13:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ???? Demanding a cite for the Kurt Russel line doesn't make any sense. Lots42 (talk) 19:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

text: It looks as if we're going to have to agree to disagree. Lots42 (talk) 21:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Alastairward is saying that the writers of South Park independentally came up with the idea of a Stargate, and just coincidentally populated the episode with Kurt Russell.  It's all just a fluke, really, if you think about it.  By the way, is "independentally" a real word, or should I copyright it?  --Captain Infinity (talk) 22:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abyss 

message: I think you should've included the Joker in that article. He was clearly seen in this episode. --Geekboy6 (talk) 23:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of characters were. Where do we stop including them? This issue has already been hacked out. Lots42 (talk) 07:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joker 

message: So, one or two people apparently have decided that this article "does not meet the general notability guideline", and have placed that tag on this article. Despite the fact that I have argued that 1). the three-part Imaginationland is a very popular story arc in the Sotuh Park series 2). It has been released on DVD, and perhaps most importantly, 3). IT WON AN EMMY AWARD, and thusly I have tried twice to remove this notability tag, because it doesn't belong. But, my efforts are reverted and I am accused of edit warring. Can we get some consensus, please, that this article IS notable, and remove the notability tag? I would also like to see the notability tag that ONE editor has put on a lot of other South Park episodes removed. He has apparently made it his life's mission to deem South Park episodes unworthy of Wikipedia articles, and one or two other editors have decided his cause is worth taking up. Personally, I'd like to see this nonsense stopped. 98.220.135.184 (talk) 03:45, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Post references to the emmy and dvd release. That's my idea. Lots42 (talk) 09:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For the sake of simplicity, I will answer this question here rather than on all three talk pages. Firstly, please do not refer to people whose edits conflict with yours as "dissenters." Quite the opposite, we are just trying to make an orderly encylopaedia, and personal attacks are not going to get us anywhere. Secondly, the tags are placed only on the articles for parts II and III. It is not that the Imaginationland story arc is considered non-notable, it's that we're not sure whether or not there should be three articles for one arc. Often, on Wikipedia, we often condense multiple-part episodes into one article (see Pilot (Lost) for an example of this). This episode's status as having being released on DVD doesn't have anything to do with notability. Even though this episode may have won an Emmy, that doesn't mean it needs three separate articles. As for other articles that may have the notability tag on them: not all of them my necessarily be notable. Take List of Beavis and Butthead episodes, for example. One or two have their own articles, but most redirect to the list article. – Richard BB 13:07, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Richard makes good points. Lots42 (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are one or two dissenters allowed to put the "general notability" tag on this article?