Talk:String figure

message: Re: request for page MOVE "String_figure" --> "string_figures"
There is a substantial international community of string figure enthusiasts, including the International String Figure Association (www.isfa.org )
The consensus is that the primary entry in the wikipedia should be under "string_figures" i.e. lower case and PLURAL, NOT, as now, "String_figure" (i.e. Initial caps and singular).
If you can make that change, please do so.
Frankatca Frank Ferguson f2@CAInc.com
-- Frankatca 18:00, 17 Jan 2005 
: First, if you look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions), article names with leading lower-car characters are not supported. I will add the message about the name being incorrect. Second, about the plural being preferred, Wikipedia goes with the singular unless the plural is nonsensical (e.g. "pants"). You called yourselves the "String Figure Association", so clearly the singular is viable. I will note that a Wikipedia:Redirect from String figures to String figure already exists. I will make a note about the incorrect caps, using the standard template for so doing. Thank you. Noel (talk) 19:52, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Page name

message: This article is very non-NPOV and needs to be fixed immediately.  Clearly there is far too much bias towards string figurerers.
:How so? Can you give an example? I don't find it that clear at all. Also, Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks!. Hyacinth 03:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: *NOTE: Even though these words I type are more on the "following" side of string figures, I encourage you to make your own string figures. After all, some of the most famous string figures were just developed by people messing around with string and seeing what they could find.
I removed the above from below the list of figures and moves. Hyacinth 07:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment from article

message: The reference to string theory is completely off-base. There are no citations and moreover, even a cursory study of string theory demonstrates that it has nothing at all to do with "the mathematical study of string figures or how many possible ways any one figure may be made". It is possible that the original writer was trying to refer to some field in combinatorics or topography, and if that is the case, some research should be done and the proper reference included. For now, I've removed it entirely, since it is wildly untrue. JWAbrams (talk) 16:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: String Theory

message: If I'm not mistaken I think I read somewhere about string figures having some religious significance among Inuits (in particular shamans). (dont qoute me on this.).
:Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks!
:Since string figures may be used to illustrate stories they may have religious signifigance to all groups who use them. For instance, string figures are named, in Europe and America, after Christian stories (such as the manger or upside down cat's cradle). Hyacinth 18:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious Significance? 

message: There is the Book "String Figures and How to Make Them", by CF Jayne in Wikimedia Commons. I dont how to link it, please help.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:String_Figures_and_How_to_Make_Them.djvu
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/String_Figures_and_How_to_Make_Them.djvu  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.60.118.58 (talk) 14:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Commons#Embedding_Commons.27_media_in_Wikipedia_articles: "In general, to embed a Wikimedia Commons media file in Wikipedia, just include it in the same way as if it were to be stored locally." Hyacinth (talk) 22:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For an example of embedding a page from a djvu file, see the section immediately above.  It did take a little research to figure out the exact format required.  See http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:DjVu_files#Displaying_a_particular_page. --Dfred (talk) 14:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Book

message: I will soon make Apache Tent and Jacobs Ladder because those are the only ones I know. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:07, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videos 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Whai (basketball) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 01:05, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: I believe it is problematic to use “Navaho” as a verb in this context. Kathleen Haddon, the white woman who coined the term in 1911, used the phrase “the mind of the ingenious savage” in the same book, so her terms should definitely be held with suspicion. 42thomas42 (talk) 15:34, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but we can't state that in Wikipedia's voice without a reliable source discussing the usage of the term. We can't cite "personal communications". Who made this request of the ISFA? How can we verify it? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 16:44, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Jpgordon for the feedback. I emailed them this morning so I am 100% certain that they have been asked. I did have a feeling that “personal communications” wouldn’t fly on Wikipedia, but I wasn’t sure what else to do, and I know that I’ve seen that an academic papers before, so I figured it was worth a try. The other sentence that I had added that also got deleted was properly sourced, so I’m not sure why that one got deleted: “Kathleen Haddon, the first to use “Navajo” as a verb in string figure technique in print, in her 1911 book introducing this term also spoke about “the mind of the ingenious savage,” so it would be prudent to reevaluate terms she introduced (p. xv, “Cat's Cradles from Many Lands,” London: Longmans, Green & Co, 1911. ISBN 978-1-177-39789-6.)” Editor who deleted it said “Not encyclopedic in tone, not properly referenced and why is the organization considered a rs”. So far as I can tell, the ISFA is the authoritative determiner of string figure terms, so they would be the appropriate body to make a decision on this matter. They are the organization that other sites refer to. I really want some thing to be stated noting that it is at the very least potentially a  harmful phrase. Surely there is some thing I could add that would be acceptable?? This all started because I gave my friend that has native ancestry on a pacific island a gift of a string figure book and a string for Christmas, not knowing that this term would be inside the book. She was so offended by this term that she gave me the present back and wanted no part of it. So this term has already caused harm, and is likely to cause additional harm, and to have that harm be greater if there’s not at least some kind of qualifying comment associated with it. Can somebody give me advice on how to accomplish this? It must be possible to flag racist content!42thomas42 (talk) 02:22, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia's not the right place for this. That one person finds a term "potentially offensive" is not grounds for Wikipedia to take a stand against the (common among string figure students) expression. That's why we're calling for reliable sources. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 15:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problematic term