Talk:Private investigator/Archive 1

message: Is there anything we can do to make this a more global page?  The whole page is very US-centric with very little information about outside the US. --hydeblake 10:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Has anyone any sensible and constructive ideas?--hydeblake 14:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide 

message: 'm. Do the Pinkerton folks count as PI's? -- April
:Pinkerton's? I'd say security guards, though it's entirely possible they have PI's. --Brion
Pinkerton is now a security guard company; most of the big players do investigative services on request, but this is a sideline business.  Most Pinkerton employees are not private investigators, just as most police are not detectives.
Pinkerton is not even Pinkerton anymore, they are Securitas, a security company.
The original Pinkerton is often considered the first of the Private Investigators in the US.  They often blurred the lines between investigators/security though. Steelsun 19:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The current text regarding the Pinkertons and the Homestead labor riot does not reflect a neutral point of view.  Just saying that the Pinkertons shot and killed several strikers is misleading and biased.  In fact, Congressional hearings conducted after the riot determined that the strikers fired their weapons first on the Pinkerton guards, leading to a protracted exchange of gunfire in which several Pinkertons were killed along with several strikers.  It is well established that the Pinkertons were forced to surrender and were brutally beaten and abused by the strikers. Mullaghbrack 17:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pinkerton

message: Sherlock Holmes did not call himself a Private Investigator.  Ergo, Wikipedia cannot insert the interpretation. 24.162.140.213 23:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh?  Oh, I put that here a long time ago, in the middle of a debate about whether people who didn't identify themselves as "anarcho-capitalists" but had identical philosophies could be so labeled.  One of the antagonists kept saying that because someone didn't self-identify as something, Wikipedia "could not insert the interpretation".  I guess I just got carried away with mocking him. MrVoluntarist 13:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holmes not a PI 

message: This is just a thought, but I don't think all of the entries in the "See also" section are particularly helpful or relevent, namely: Jakes "J.J" Gettes and De Fino. Both lead to stubs of fictional detectives that aren't (as far as I'm aware) particularly notable. I think the article would be more concise without them. Any thoughts? Blaise Joshua 16:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "See Also" section 

message: Linking to professional associations is good, but the links to individual PI firms should be eliminated.  This isn't Yellow Pages, right?  IddAhazi 4:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "External Links" section 

message: It appears this section was being abused by several members of an obscure very small organization in England to promote and spam said organization as a notable worldwide association. Repeated attempts to discuss the value of the link to the so-called association with those supporting it were ignored.
There has been no abuse, as far as I'm aware of, and if you cast your eyes over the talk page you'll see at every stage of change I've asked for feedback from anyone else willing to offer it or contribute. The links should still be in place until a concensus is reached. Blaise Joshua 08:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Association Links

message: The article bears a strong resemblance to http://www.einvestigator.com/links/license.htm  But I can't tell if one contains material taken from the other. RJFJR 17:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright 

message: You claim there was plagiarism from the Occupational Outlook Handbook.  But the Handbook is in the public domain.  Cheers, --unforgettableid | how's my driving? 01:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Private_investigator&oldid=114408173 copyvio tag added in Mar 2007] 

message: Cheaters Detective Agency is notable as a link on the private investigator page. 
Many major news outlets have covered the Cheaters Detective Agency, including ABC, NBC, and AP Newspapers. 5 million people per week watch their work. I believe it fits Wikipedia's notability criteria. They are the definition of private investigators on reality television, being on the air since 2000.Alibond 01:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Notability is not the issue. You have not added a source that states the show is about Cheaters Detective Agency. If it's not about the agency, like Dog the Bounty Hunter is about Dog the Bounty Hunter, I don't see the point in mentioning the agency in this section. What if there are other agencies involved, do we mention them? The CDA web site makes it clear CDA is not actually doing investigations yet what you added to this section states they are. Woxd 07:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cheaters Detective Agency does investigations across the country. I don't know where you are seeing that they don't investigate. Call 1-800-CHEATERS, they will tell you they are investigating all across the country. Cheaters is about infidelity, and all cases are investigated by the Cheaters Detective Agency. I will add the source that says Cheaters Detective Agency does the investigations and undo your change.Alibond 20:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An 800 number is not a source. Cut from the CDA website: "we are not actively accepting new work at this time" http://www.cdacase.com/cda/License%20Interest%20page.html The source you added, without a working link, does not state the show is about a particular agency or investigator. It states the show is about people who want their spouse/lover followed, sometimes people who are low income and paid a small sum to be on the show, according to the author. Woxd 07:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know where on that long page you found information that Cheaters Detective Agency is not taking on new cases. Review their comprehensive website at http://www.cheatersdetectives.com and you will find that they are currently taking on cases from all across the country and the world. The source I added states that Cheaters Detective Agency investigates cases of infidelity on the show. Get someone else's point of view before you continue your personal attack.Alibond 19:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll need to either do a search on the page I gave you a link to or read the entire page to find where Cheaters Detective Agency states they are no longer accepting assignments. I also don't think your link belongs here because the show has never been about the agency. If you believe I have attacked you personally then I suggest you ask an admin to review our discussions on both articles. Woxd 00:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Along with myself, Kariteh has also undone your removals of Cheaters Detective Agency from the private investigator page. The show documents the investigations of Cheaters Detective Agency agents in every single episode. Refer to the independent academic source cited on the page. Alibond 01:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The show is not about the agency itself and this is not a section for private investigators that have been hired by TV shows. You also ignore the fact that the agency's web site states they are no longer accepting assignments. I don't even think this section belongs in an encyclopedia. A link to the Cheaters page, where you've added a link to the agency's Franchise/Licensing opportunity and delete just about anything that does not show the agency or show in a favorable light is more then most editors would care to see on Wikipedia. Woxd 11:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Their site says, " ...cases are directed to our nearest licensed office..." (http://www.cdacase.com/cda/License%20Interest%20page.html). They not only investigate cases, but they have over 50 other offices nationwide. Get your facts straight. If you have something against Cheaters Detective Agency, write a letter to their corporate office. But so far, a second user independent from myself has reverted your changes. You are wrong in my opinion and in Kariteh's opinion. Stop changing my work. Alibond 23:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cheaters Detective Agency