Talk:Ellenville, New York

message: I have tagged the government section with a  copyright violation tag, as a significant portion of the section appears to be copied and pasted directly from http://villageofellenville.com/boards.aspx, published by "Simple Web Design FD&P LLC All rights reserved 2009". Below is a table with a side by side comparison of the two versions, which serves as the basis for me tagging the section.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Ellenville is one of three villages in Ulster County, along with New Paltz and Saugerties.
Offices of the Village of Ellenville are housed at the Ellenville Government Center, 2 Elting Court, which, at five-stories, is the tallest building in the village and town.                                                                                                                                                                                                                  	Ellenville village offices are housed at the Ellenville Government Center, 2 Elting Court, which, at five-stories, is the tallest building in the village.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Formerly the headquarters of the Ellenville National Bank (ENB), the building was sold to the village after the ENB was acquired by Provident Bank; in 2007, the village transferred its offices and the police department from its location at North Main Street, primarily to address the old village hall's limited space and failure to meet mandated handicapped-accessibility requirements.
The government of Ellenville is headed by a Board of Trustees, composed of an elected mayor and four trustees. As of 2007, all terms were increased from two years to four years, and elections were moved from March to November. Regular meetings of the Board are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month. Village Court convenes each Tuesday evening in the same meeting room.	The government of Ellenville is headed by a Board of Trustees, composed of an elected mayor and four trustees. As of 2007, all terms were increased from two years to four years, and elections were moved from March to November. Regular meetings of the Board are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month. Village Court convenes each Tuesday evening in the same meeting room.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	The following appointed volunteer boards, committees, and commissions are responsible for various aspects of village maintenance and development: Planning Board, Zoning Board of Appeals, Housing Authority Commission, Local Development Corporation, Historic Preservation Commission, Ellenville Government Study Committee.
Daily administration is supervised by an appointed village manager, an appointed village clerk, an appointed village treasurer, and department heads for each of the following departments: police, street, water, sewer, building and code enforcement. Village offices are open from 8:30 AM to 4:00 PM, Monday through Friday; the police department is open at all times.                  	Daily administration of Ellenville is supervised by an appointed village manager, an appointed village clerk, an appointed village treasurer, and department heads for each of the following five departments: police, street, building & code enforcement, water, sewer. Village offices are open from 8:30 AM to 4:00 PM, Monday through Friday; the police department is open at all times.
--JBC3 (talk) 17:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible copy/paste copyright violation 

message: It again appears that someone without direct knowledge of the specifics of Ellenville and its government has made changes to the page. In an attempt, perhaps, to streamline or standardize the language, errors in accuracy were created where none existed. For example, "The government of Ellenville is operated by an elected board" is NOT correct; it does NOT "operate" it, but HEADS it. The MAYOR appoints the named officials, NOT the board. "Sewage" is NOT a department.
I also restored USEFUL information about the location and operation of the government center, and the appointed committees and boards that supplement government operation, and clarified the change in elections, as this arrangement is almost unique in New York State.
I inserted the word "incorporated" to refer to the three villages in Ulster County; not everyone understands the distinction between incorporated and unincorporated villages. For example, Rosendale Village, in Ulster County, once WAS an incorporated village, but dissolved some decades back, yet kept the name to distinguish itself from the surrounding town of Rosendale. Similarly, Bearsville, Boiceville, and Centerville are NOT incorporated villages within the county, in spite of the names.
I removed the brackets from Shawangunk Scenic Byway, as no Wikipedia page for it seems to exist.
I would appreciate if persons refrain from these kind of unhelpful changes before bringing them up in this discussion page, so it can be determined if they are indeed accurate and helpful.
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Kryolux (talk) 15:47, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have explained to you before, your own personal knowledge is not a usable source on Wikipedia.  Also, you're asserting ownership of this article in an inappropriate way.  You're also including some info that Wikipedia just doesn't use- like office hours.  This info is much more suited to the town's own website than to Wikipedia.  Please make some effort to learn how Wikipedia works, if you're going to edit here.  Friday (talk) 15:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

text: The best suggestion I have for you at this point is that you write all this stuff on your own website.  There, you can exercise complete editorial control. It seems clear to me that Wikipedia will never give you the level of control over content that you want.  Friday (talk) 18:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kryolux's changes

message: A new category of "Facts" was added, when it would seem that the entire entry is supposed to be "facts." The history section alone is composed of the kind of assorted "facts" that would seem to preclude the need for a "facts" category.
The comment "Ellenville is one of the most historic places in the Hudson Valley" is a vague, sweeping generalization, an empty opinion rather than a useful "fact." It adds nothing to the reader's knowledge of Ellenville, nor is it further supported by the contributor. The existing content in the entire entry already demonstrates that much "history" has occurred in Ellenville... as it has just about everywhere else.
The comment "Ellenville also has a large number of Summer Camps" besides being vague and out of left field, is simply wrong. There is only ONE summer camp IN Ellenville, Camp Shawangunk, a joint project of the Ellenville-Wawarsing Youth Commission, the Village of Ellenville, and the YMCA of Ulster County. That an indeterminate number of summer camps, which may not be as large as opined, exist in the surrounding town and towns, shows the contributor is not familiar with the difference between the actual village of Ellenville and the vague, general "Ellenville area."
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Kryolux (talk) 15:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
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