Talk:President of Vietnam

message: Is there a Vice President position? Badagnani 02:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the current vice president is Nguyen Thi Doan since July 25, 2007.  Nguyen Thi Binh had held this position since 1992. DHN 08:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vice President

message: Some of the claims in the article appears to be original research or synthesis from published sources.  The claim that presidents before Sang have never held the top position in the Politburo is not supported in the source given.  In the source given, for the 11th Politburo], Trong is listed first.  If the author wants to make that claim, he needs to find a source that shows that Sang is listed first in the list for the 11th politburo while the GS is listed first in all other politburos. DHN (talk) 08:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not original resource, they've change the layout of the thing (that's what I atleast remember)... It won't be that hard to find it. Secondly, you've already had this discussion before (at the Truong article)... And at last, I think you've misconstrued what highest-rank actually means; read this (from the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam article); --TIAYN (talk) 16:18, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is that there is NO source given that made the claim that was made in the article, either directly or indirectly.  The claim was derived from synthesizing from multiple sources, which is against Wikipedia policy. It is already established that Sang was top-ranked in some list, but which source states that ALL the other top-ranked politburo members were party secretary? DHN (talk) 16:33, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

text: The point thing - every Politburo has a ranking, the 11th Politburo is no exception... The Vietnamese Communist Party's agenda for reform: a study of the eighth national party congress (page 86) ranks the 6th, 7th and 8th Politburo, in Everyday Life and Popular Culture in Contemporary Vietnam it is clearly stated that Nong Duc Manh was ranked, Vietnam: Current Issues and Historical Background ranks the 8th Politburo (before and after the 4th plenum) and so on.. The Politburo has always been ranked (the Chinese CPC ranks its Politburo, the Politburo Standing Committee, Secretariat and the Central Committee), the Workers' Party of Korea officially ranked its Politburo, Secretariat and the Central Committee according to ranking until Kim Il-sung died, the Lao People's Revolutionary Party ranks its Politburo, Secretariat and the Central Committee, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ranked its members (not always, but they did in many instances).. This is normal communist procedure (and very common with the remaining four communist states; China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam) . --TIAYN (talk) 16:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't dispute the notion that the Politburo list is ranked.  I contend that the claim made - that Sang was the first top-ranked politburo member who was not general secretary - is not supported with the sources given.  You gave two sources, one showing that Sang is top-ranked, while another source listing all members from past politburos, but without any explicit ranking (or at least using a different ranking, since in these lists the general secretary is always listed first); how are we supposed to conclude that all the other party secretaries were top-ranked from that source? DHN (talk) 16:57, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Nguyen Phu Trong is not top-ranked, but the most powerful official in the Communist Party of Vietnam (and that's why is pictured first and Truong Tan Sang second, and the rest of the list following the formal rankings), if you've read the statement above, the ranking has nothing to do with power (anymore, its now a listing of "yes" and "no" votes the candidates earned when they were elected to the Politburo...)  ... TO compare, its similar to under Leonid Brezhnev, the Politburo members were listed alphabetically (but Brezhnev was listed first in official pronouncements and the rest listed alphabetically)... The Vietnamese (along with the CPV, the PCE and the CPC) are the first communist system to institutionalize powers in official bodies (and not in a person); the CPV General Secretary is the party's leader. ... I'm guessing this is why you're against its inclusion.--TIAYN (talk) 17:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:   The fact that Trong is listed first instead of Sang in that list directly undermines that source's usefulness to your claim.  It shows that the lists' orderings are inconsistent, and the fact that someone is listed first in that list has no bearing on their rank.  How are we to know whether the party secretaries in the other lists were listed first because they were first-ranked or because they were secretaries?I would be happy with a source that makes this claim explicitly, or at the very least shows the explicit ranking for every politburo so that we can verify that they have all been general secretaries except for Sang.  DHN (talk) 17:37, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

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message: I know I'm paying compliments, but why is Ho Chi Minh - who at no point controlled all of Vietnam - called "1st President of Vietnam" when he never controlled the whole of Vietnam at any point? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 15:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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