Talk:Shanaze Reade

message: The article seems to have far too many headings and empty sections. Should these be removed to that it reads as a more coherent article rather than just a list of facts? Thaf (talk) 07:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a go. <B>Neıl</B> ☄ 08:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: Re your recent edits, which I reverted ():
# We do not list titles people have not won - I can't imagine why you would want to do this.
# We do not link to YouTube videos unless there's a very good reason.
# We have a manual of style that determines what articles should aim to look like - the changes Thaf, myself, Racklever and others have been making are being repeatedly reverted by yourself - I suggest you stop, as your changes are making the article worse.  Take a look at some Featured Articles to see what an article should aim to look like.
# Empty sections are not appropriate.
# Sections entitled "Peccadiloes" are really not appropriate - see WP:NPOV.
# Information is not given in lists wherever possible; rather it is given in prose (ie, normal writing).
# Section Headers Are Not Written Like This (in normal sentence case, please)
# Do not remove categories (in reverting all the cleanup I did, you removed :Category:Cyclists at the 2008 Summer Olympics and :Category:Olympic cyclists of Great Britain - both of which she should be in)
# Information appears once in an article - much of the information in "your" version is repeated.
# People do not own articles (even if they started them) - see WP:OWN
# We try and avoid spelling mistakes (your version reverted spelling corrections)
# We do not revert, wholescale - this is probably why you removed appropriate categories and undid lots of spelling fixes.  If you want to make widescale changes to the article, do so by editing the article again, not by reverting back to a version that has lots of errors.
#Discuss your changes on the talk page of the article, as they are a bit controversial.
Feel free to discuss this with me, either here or on my talk page.  Thanks. <B>Neıl</B> ☄ 09:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wanted the person interested in BMX and track racing either on a casual basis or one with intimate knowledge of the sports to have a detailed source for her career to go to (I am former BMX racer myself). Many sports wiki pages go into GREAT detail of the sports history and relevant to our discussion the individual participants. They are virtual one stop source for the participant's career. I wanted the same for Ms. Reade for her BMX and her track cycling career. Because many of the BMX magazines are unavailable and few detailed references concerning the history of BMX and its participants are available, particularly detailed data on a individual participant, I wanted this to be a very detailed article. However, I didn't have the answers yet and was hoping others could fill them. That is why I included seemingly empty sections. They will be filled in the future by me or hopefully by others who can fill in the data. If the general public finds it irrelevant, they are free to do so. No harm no foul but a person with an interest in the subject beyond Ms. Reade's Olympic Career I wanted that person to have a detailed and comprehensive article on her career. They will want it. I did and I was disappointed when I saw that wiki didn't and I wanted to do something about that. They would have detailed data of what magazine articles she appeared in, both BMX, Track and general interest (newspapers news magazines etc.); when her very first race was including the percise date, where and how she did. What bike model she did it on; What was her first win; where; what sanctioning body; links to those sanctioning bodies. Where did she win any championships, when; where; the exact dates and places. What sanctioning bodies she didn't win as well. What were her peccadilloes, i.e. her particular racing habits and personality traits not judgmental calls but simply as a note like if she had a particular way of manuvering on the track; what significant injuries she had and where she got them and under what circumstance including the particular races she got them and again specific dates. If she had any signature products (both past and present, not as spam or advertising but simply the fact); what i.e. any particular bicycles or other equipment. What magazine evaluations of said item(s). What magazine covers she had, what prizes she won etc. It would be just like if you look up say baseball's Mickey Mantle you get a lot of data. I wanted the same for BMX participants and fans. Again, if the general public finds it unnecessary that is their prerogative, they will simply discard (to them) the "useless" data, but someone who has a previous interest in the sport and wants to find out the history of that athlete this article would be a good detailed source of her history and milestones in BMX and Track Cycling. As I said, that is why I started this article myself, there was no history of the Sport in general or the participants in particular like there is for American football or Baseball players for example so I expanded it greatly and added so-called irrelevant data like what sanctioning bodies she did not have any championships or what magazines she did not have. Saves the reader from going hunting for something that did not exist at least to my thinking. If the slot was empty then someone in the know could had filled it. Anyway most will find it unfamiliar but some will not. Either way the reader would had had the data. It will be up to them if they want the data or not, they will at least have that option. I was writing with both in mind. So someone out there would probably find it useful that she never had a certain magazine cover of the defunct Bicycle Motocross News or didn't have any titles with the American Bicycle Association, they wouldn't have to assume.I think someone who didn't know what exactly BMX  was and was not familiar with it beyond what the inexpert general newspapers poor understanding of the sport (to me) had to offer. That was my goal. Sorry if I was too clumsy in it, no malice was meant.As for other things like categories and spelling corrections I didn't mean to obliterate and would had re-incorporated them back into the article if I had the chance. Sorry about that. I will take your rules to heart like not linking to Yahoo etc. I didn't know that. Too bad. A little audio-video on the subject i.e. video of Reade racing would had been a way to liven up the article, but I understand that maybe copyright issues are rearing their ugly heads.I understand that I don't own the article. I came into wikipedia with that understanding. It is just hard to let go when you have gathered so much data for so long especially when it was done before a lot of people heard of her, but I will relent since there are other people interested in the subject and are more than capable than I, although I don't think the BMX section is going to be expanded much unfortunately. I will try to add things in the future if I get them. I will do my best to keep within the established rules of wikipedia and prove to be a valued editor.Hunter2005 (talk) 12:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is definitely much that could be added to the BMX article, and I hope this doesn't dissuade you.  You've definitely contributed towards the article.  While it would be awesome if every article was as comprehensive as this one already is.  The standard way of doing things, though, is not to see "she didn't compete in this", and "she hasn't done that", because where do you draw the line?  Rather, focus on what the article's subject has done.  If you don't have the data, don't put in blank sections - if and when you do get the data, though, then by all means put it in.  And yes, it's generally copyright issues when it comes to YouTube stuff.  Unless the video is explicitly not copyrighted (very rare) then we can't link to it. Hope you keep up the good work. <B>Neıl</B> ☄ 08:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hunter2005

message: I think maybe there is a case to be made for listing some competitions for which such a well known competitor did not compete but which the reader might have assumed they had. If those competitions are not listed, then the casual reader, already aware some of the competitor's skills and of some achievements, might assume that they had simply failed to achieve a place in those competitions. By explicitly listing them, the author can make clear the fact that the competitor had not competed. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Just my view. I have little or no interest in BMX and only found the page when attempting to find out who it was that had crashed out so spectacularly at the Olympics.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 (talk) 10:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand this point of view but where would you stop, by that logic you may as well compile a list of all theories Darwin did not think of, and that wouldn't be much use... Thaf (talk) 10:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Case for listing competitions where the competitor did not compete 

message: Reade is selling these for the heels the heal charity. I don't think she cycles in them!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250503700502
MrMarmite (talk) 09:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heels that heal 

message: Is Shanaze any relation to Eric Reade, former member of Crewe Clarion and no mean cyclist himself?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.89.224.77 (talk) 20:52, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any connection to Eric Reade? 

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