Talk:List of titles and honours of Elizabeth II

message: Latin: Elizabeth II, Dei Gratia Britanniarum Regnorumque Suorum Ceterorum Regina, Consortionis Populorum Princeps, Fidei Defensor. ----should it not be: Fidei defenstrix? she is after all a woman? WilhelmRosendahl
:: I think it remains defensor as that was the actual title bestowed by the Pope - Chrism 21:03, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Latin

message: Her former titles should also be included:
*Queen of South Africa (1952-1961)
*Queen of Pakistan (1952-1956)
*Queen of Sri Lanka (1952-1972).  
*Queen of Ghana (1957-1960)
*Queen of Nigeria (1960-1963)
*Queen of Tanzania (1961-1962)
*Queen of Sierra Leone (1961-1971)
*Queen of Trinidad and Tobago (1962-1976)
*Queen of Uganda (1962-1963)
*Queen of Kenya (1963-1964)
*Queen of Malawi (1964-1966)
*Queen of Malta (1964-1974)
*Queen of The Gambia (1965-1970)
*Queen of Guyana (1966-1970)
*Queen of Mauritius (1968-1992)
*Queen of Fiji (1970-1987)
Please look up what each of these are individually. --Jiang 04:13, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Or we can just forget about this, noting Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom#Former_titles. --Jiang
What about 'Princess of the United Kingdom', 'Dutchess of Edinburgh' and so on? --Jiang 09:22, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

text: if you look at the page for List of Titles and Honours of Charles, Prince of Wales you will see a list of his Titles, Duke of Cornwall &c. There is no such list for Elizabeth. She is head of state of the Channel islands by virtue of her title Duke of Normady, she is also the Duke of Man and the Duke of Lancaster and I think there are namy more.  --Martin TB 09:32, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: She holds no jure uxoris title, seeing that Philip is not, uh, her wife :) Surtsicna (talk) 15:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Former titles

message: She is not Duke of Normandy even though her website claims so and she is toasted as such. The Dukedom of Normandy was governed under Salic Law. Any claim to the title was given up in the Treaty of Paris of 1259.
That's besides the point. Before she became Queen she was known as Princess Elizabeth and later Duchess of Edinburgh. This article should state that.--Jiang 19:36, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Dukedom of Normandy

message: The spelling is definitely 'honorary' - I really don't see the point in maintaining an incorrect spelling in order not to offend someone. - Chrism 18:48, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: Shouldn't this article also include Elizabeth II being the Great Chief of the Great Council of Chiefs (Fiji), according to Elizabeth II#Commonwealth titles? -- Itai 22:45, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Chief

message: Does the monarch have an official title for her position as Queen of the Cook Islands, Niue etc..?
: No, since they are dependancies. It isn't common practise to have titles relating to them (although of course there are exceptions) - she is not, for example, Queen of Gibraltar either.
::That title is in use on a coin: http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/queen-of-gibraltar. DrKay (talk) 11:49, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen of Cook Is. 

message: question... in addition to these national titles the Queen holds, does she have any other noble titles? I know one of her 'lesser' titles is Duchess of Edinbourgh' as her husband is the Duke. Also, I know she was Duchess of York until she granted the title to Prince Andrew at his wedding to Sarah, Duchess of York. What other domestic British titles does the Queen hold?
:The Queen cannot hold any titles from a peerage. She also couldn't have been Duchess of York as the title merged with the crown in 1936. --Ibagli 20:31, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other titles/Peerage

message: What about her other titles (Lord of Man, Duchess of Normandy)? I thought she has such titles...--Hun2 14:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other titles?

message: The queen's title as queen of the UK is given in English and Latin.  Why Latin?  Latin is not an official language of the UK. JackofOz 10:05, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither is English, as the UK doesn't have an official language. The law (specifically the proclamation of May 1953) however specifies her title in both English and Latin. - Chrism 17:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Latin title

message: I found  this site (a speech by the Prime Minstier of Papau New Guinea) which says that Elizabeth II is soverign of the New Honours System of that country.  I think it should be added to this page Dowew 06:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Papua New Guinea honours system 

message: Im quite certain that Elizabeth holds two Royal Family Orders, that of her father and Grandfather as exemplified by [] 
Does anyone know when she got her Grandfathers Order ? 
Dowew 16:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal Family Order 

message: *No references.
Also, it needs to be discussed if lists can be good articles at all. --SeizureDog 06:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking, what if we included another box beside each entery linking to a citation ? Dowew 00:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article failure

message: On the official website of the queen it says
Since the mid-twentieth century, the exchange of Orders has become less personal and more formal and diplomatic. The award, return or removal of Orders can still be highly symbolic. 
Examples are The Queen's conferring the Order of Merit on President Mandela, or her return of the Romanian Order received from President Ceausescu and her instruction to erase the President's name from the Register of the Order of the Bath. 
Anyone know when this order was or when it was given and returned --Dowew 16:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanian Order 

message: As this page has been moved a few times in the last while, I suggest we keep it at this name as: This article talks about all realms of the Queen, not just the UK, and 2, having the UK made a rather long title for this article Brian | (Talk) 06:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with this logic.  Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom only has one title: "Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith."  However, Elizabeth, as a person, has been created queen by sixteen different countries, and thus is vested with sixteen different regal titles. Perhaps the word "Queen" could even be dropped from this article title, making it: "List of titles and honours of Elizabeth II."  --G2bambino 15:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  moves 

message: I removed the following chunk:
The very long list of Queen Elizabeth's titles and honors gave rise to the assertion that when the Queen is late for official ceremonies, the ceremony master starts reading out her titles precisely at the moment the Queen is supposed to appear, proceeding thus until the Queen arrives. Though never officially confirmed by the Palace, this assertion is widely believed to be true.
It managed to stay in there for 17 months.
--Ibagli (Talk) 04:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good move.  Talk about weasel words! — J M Rice 22:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed lunacy

message: On some of the orders and decorations, I think it would be inappropriate to state that she ceased to hold them in 1952. For royal family orders and her war medals, she wouldn't hold and wear those decorations by virtue of being sovereign of them, so I've been bold and removed the 1952 end dates on some. --Ibagli (Talk) 00:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One cannot hold multiple appointment to a single Order.  When she became Queen, she became soverign of the Orders.  At that time, her ordinary membership in all the Orders ended.  Yes, she would wear the orders, but she wears the Soverign's badge. Dowew 05:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize that this is true, but I don't believe it would be the case for royal family orders (which can only be granted by that specific sovereign) and war and jubilee medals. --Ibagli (Talk) 16:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is true that they can only be authorized for wear by that specific soverign, but after the demise of the soverign members of the previous Royal Family Orders still live, and the Order needs a Soverign.  This is why, for example Elizabeth is soverign of the Royal Order of Victoria and Albert since in 1952 there were still living members Dowew 21:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And as far as I can tell, Princess Elizabeth was never actually made a member of the Royal Family Order of George V.  After all she was only 10 years old when he died.  It seems she just wears the Badge as Soverign in honour of her grandfather.  Dowew 23:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates

message: What about the titles she holds as the wife of Prince Philip? Duchess of Edinburgh, Countess of Merioneth and Baroness Greenwich? Obviously, she doesn't use them, but they certainly don't merge into the crown as they're not her titles. I think that should be given some consideration, and that those 3 should be added. --IBCharlie 23:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that she granted the titles to her husband, does she actually become a recipient of them herself through him?  Seems rather cyclical. --G2bambino 23:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it was her father who granted Philip the titles, not her. But yes, as the wife of the Duke of Edinburgh she is the Duchess of Edinburgh, Countess of Merioneth and Baroness Greenwich. She doesn't hold the titles in her own right, though (if, for example, Philip were to die before Elizabeth, Charles would inherit the titles and the Queen would cease to be Duchess of Edinburgh etc.). Alkari 23:51, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, yes... that would be right.  A big "Duh!" on my part! --G2bambino 01:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Married Titles 

message: User:Dowew asserts that the Queen is not Sovereign of the Canadian provincial honours.  This may well be correct, however, we may need to find a reliable source to verify or discount this.  Personally, I understand that it was not until recently that the provincial honours were accepted as part of the Canadian Honours System, but now that they are, and the Queen is fount of all honours in Canada, as well as the fact that every law, including those that establish honours, is passed in the Queen's name, she must have some part in the provincial orders, whether explicit in the constitution of the order or not. Of course, I could be wrong. --G2bambino 20:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the Queen is fount of honours, but that does not make her soverign of the orders unless it is recognised in the constitutions of the orders.  Most specifically, the Queen is definately not in anyway affiliated with the National Order of Quebec (notice the "National" part) which was created by Renee Levesque making himself as Premier Soverign of the Order while in office.  As well, here is the act creating the Order of Newfoundland and Labrador  with not reference to the Queen but laying down the foundations of how the order will function.  I agree it is a little bizarre that The Queen in Right of Newfoundland and Labrador or the Queen in Right of Quebec is not Soverign of the Orders but thats just one of the anomolies of the Provincial Federal relationship in Canada.  I agree that writting "This is Wrong" in the citation box for the National Order of Quebec was wrong of me, but seriously, lets put citation needed until one is found. Dowew 20:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Orders were created with the authority of the Queen in Right of the Province, however, since the constitutions of the orders do not recognize her as Soverign she does not play a role (in an official capacity)...she does of course, remain Queen of the Provinces and she does recognize the legitimacy of the leutenant-governor of Premier to confer these decorations, as demonstrated by the fact she was in attendance at the first Newfoundland and Labrador investiture during 2002 and the fact that Prince Charles and Prince Edward were both made honorary member of the Saskatchewan Order of Merit.  So, although they were created under her authority as queen by her governments she had no direct link to the orders themselves. Dowew 21:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Creator? – DBD 21:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Technically, Founder might be the correct way to describe her role in the provincial orders, but that title has no meaning within the orders themselves or in Canadian law.  It could better be described that the provincial orders were "Founded during the reign of Elizabeth II" rather than Elizabeth II being founder.  Dowew 02:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: None of the statutes of the various provincial Orders that I could find create a position of Sovereign of the Orders, so I removed them from the list. The exception (so far) is the Order of Ontario, since I can't find the statutes creating it. --Ibagli (Talk) 16:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian provincial honours 

message: Turns out the Queen was not included in the Jamaica honours either.  She was not included in the constitutions of the orders  Dowew 20:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jamaica

message: I think  much of this info on this page came from this article  Dowew 21:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  link 

message: I don't notice any of her titles from this former British colony. Are there any?  Starseeker shkm 01:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure there aren't. I don't know of any awards specific to Hong Kong from before the transfer.--Ibagli rnbs (Talk) 05:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hong Kong 

message: She is just a ordinary member of those orders, not soverign.  Dowew 23:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antigua and Barbuda 

message: Is it worth listing the Royal Victorian Chain as something she is soverign over ?  It is not technically an Order but it is her personal gift. Dowew 03:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal Victorian Chain ? 

message: For a long time there was a claim to the throne of France.  Do the royal arms reflect this?  Of course, it eventually became obsolete, but obsolete titles do pop up in royal titles.  Does anyone know when/if this claim was formally renounced or abandoned, or is France still one of "Her other realms"? I ask because it was disclosed today that in 1956 UK and France discussed union under the Queen. — J M Rice 22:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...and of Her other Realms" — Queen of France? 

message: Dowew 03:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like she is not Soverign of the Belize orders either Dowew 03:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Ditto for the Order of Australia - though it says here that the Order was created through Letters Patent rather than by the Parliament, which could perhaps be significant. --G2bambino 04:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belize 

message: I didn't see anything arguing for the contradiction tag here, so I'm going to just remove it. If someone still feels the article contradicts another article, feel free to put it back in.--Eloil 14:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  contradiction tag 

message: The only person given a royal style by any Commonwealth realm other than the United Kingdom is the monarch. Styles such as "Royal Highness" are only granted in the UK. --Ibagli (Talk) 15:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Commonwealth Styles

message: Are there articles listing titles held by former sovereings. Or an article about titles past and present are/were held by (or entitled to) ALL UK monarchs rather than specific individuals, and how thses titles have changed over time. 82.11.195.211 20:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Style of the British Sovereign DBD 20:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  historical 

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message: Can I refer readers to a book published in 1951 called "British Titles - The Use and Misue of the Titles of Peers and Commoners, with Some Historical Notes" by Valentine Heywood with a forward by Sir Greald Woods Woolaston KCB KCVO, Garter Principal King of Arms 1930 to 1944, which clearly lays to rest a number of the issues mentioned above?
On the very first page he says: 
"There is another difference in the usage on Royal styles between this country and Continental monarchies. Recitals of the styles of the Austrian and German rulers embrace a vast pluarity of titles, from emperor to count. Practically every title that had ever accrued to, or been assumed by the Hapsburg and Hohenzollern familes in their progress to the Imperial diginity was retained. No such glittering array is need to bolster up the dignity of His Britannic Majesty. The Sovereign has no titles but those set out [in the coronation]".
Although talking about George VI, it is clear that as the Fountain of Honour, the Sovereign has not peerages or knighthoods, because s/he is above such titles. That is the reason that George VI did not continue to be Duke of York after he suceeded to the throne, and why the Queen does not rely on her hsuband for a courtesy title - she is not the Duchess of Edinburgh etc since to hold such a title rank her below the Duke of Edinburgh and that cannot happen.
Heywood also refers to a decision by Cairns LC in a judgement in the Buckhurst Peerage Case. Referring to the Dukedom of Cornwall, he said that it was held:
"...by the Prince of Wales for the time being. The Prince of Wales becomes the Sovereign of the country. Becoming Soverign of the country it is impossible that he can hold any other dignity. The fountain and source of all dignities cannot hold a dignity from himself. The dignity, therefore, as a dignity to be held by the Sovereign, terminates, not by virtue of any provision in its creation, but from the absolute incapacity of the Soveriegn to hold a dignity."
For this reason the Queen is not the "Duke of Lancaster" (note is would be the "Duke" even though the Queen is female), since the title merged with the crown when Henry V suceeded to the throne (he held the title when he was Prince of Wales). However the Duchy still exists, and the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster is a goverment minister, but it is a Duchy without a Duke.
As has been mentioned above any claim to the Dukedom of Normandy was relinguised by the Treaty of Paris in 1295 and the Kingdom of France was dropped in 1801 when the Sovereign's titles were revamped to reflect the merger of the English and Scottish crowns with that of Ireland.
Any attachments to the Duke of Lancaster in Lancashire of to the Duke of Normandy in the Channel Islands is purely emotional. Mithrandir1967 19:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Duchess of Edinburgh" applies because she is the wife of the Duke of Edinburgh, rather than because the Dukedom merged with the crown. I'm inclined to agree with the other arguments.--Ibagli (Talk) 20:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duchess of Edinburgh, Duke of Lancaster, Duke of Normandy and King of France 

message: When she was given the Garter in 1947 Princess Elizabeth was recorded in Whitaker's Almanack as "Lady of the Garter", which was an "extra-ordinary" appointment as she was not entered onto the roll of Knights with a number, as you can see in St George's Hall in Windsor Castle. This was in keeping with the appointments of Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth. However when the charter was changed in 1990 to allow women to be appointed as members (and the first was Lavinia, Duchess of Norfolk) they became Lady Companions of the Garter or LG. This caused a problem since women appointees were know commonly know as Ladies of the Garter. That was situation which could not continue since Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother was in a different category to Baroness Thatcher, so now Whitaker's refers to the Princess Royal and Princess Alexandra as "Ladies of the Order" and to Baroness Thatcher as "Lady Companion". The point is that just saying that Princess Elizabeth held the grade of "Lady" confuses the issue - either say "Lady of the Garter" as it was described in 1947, or say "Lady of the Order" as it is described now. Mithrandir1967 20:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be redundant to describe her as a "Lady of the Garter of the Order of the Garter" or "Lady of the Order of the Order of the Garter" as putting that in the table would do.--Ibagli (Talk) 03:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Garter 

message: I'm not very familiar with all of this, which is why I am reading this page.  But something looks odd to me.  I don't know for sure, so instead of editing the page, I'm going to put it up here and let someone who knows change it if needed.  
Under Titles in Canada, it says, 
English: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith[1] (1953-present)
 
Should "Queen" be added after "God"?  (And a comma after "God" as well then.)  And should "United Kingdom" be in there at all?
On a related note, Grenada also has "Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" before listing Grenada, which doesn't match up with the style of all the others listed.
205.245.254.76 (talk) 23:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are the official titles. Each country sets the Queen's title independently of the other realms, so there's a bit of inconsistency. You can see the Canadian law which sets the title here.--Ibagli rnbs (Talk) 02:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen of Canada? 

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message: Isn't "Supreme Governor of the Church of England" one as well? Not sure where that fits in, though.195.27.20.35 (talk) 03:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Church of England 

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message: In the titles part, why just Duchess of Edinburgh? It wouldnt be, The Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh? such as other princesses that were also daughters of monarchs such as, The Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll and The Princess Louise, Duchess of Fife or also The Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon, so if thats incorrect, modify their titles too in their articles.189.158.72.39 (talk) 23:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree 100 %. 74.12.100.150 (talk) 06:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh 

message: There is no comma after 'the Grace of God' because to do so would grammatically mean that the Queen is Head of the Commonwealth by the Grace of God as well, which she patently is not.  Therefore she is only Queen by the Grace of God, so the title should read, for example, 'Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of Australian and Her Other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth'.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.38.85 (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comma 

message: Section 68 of the Australian Constitution vests the Command-in-Chief of the Australian Military Forces in the Governor-General as the Queen's representative.  Therefore, the Queen is not the Commander-in-Chief of Australia's  Military.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.38.85 (talk) 22:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commander-in-Chief of Australia 

message: Her father was a Prince of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and Duke in Saxony unil 1917, when his family renounced those titles. Philip was Prince of Greece and Denmark until he renounced those titles in 1947. Had there not been so many renunciations, she would've been Princess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Princess Greece and Denmark and Duchess in Saxony. Should that be mentioned? Surtsicna (talk) 19:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting to think about, but wouldn't inserting such information be essentially WP:OR? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 02:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid that it would border OR. One could also argue that she could have been Queen of Ireland and Queen of France had there not been several events. Yet for some reason I believe that mentioning the said princely titles would be less OR than mentioning France and Ireland; perhaps because her grandfather and her husband were not deprived of their princely titles, but decided to renounce them themselves. I don't insist on mentioning the Saxon-Greece-Denmark titles; it's just interesting to think about Her Royal Highness The Princess Elizabeth of the United Kingdom, Greece, Denmark and Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duchess in Saxony, etc or HRH Princess Beatrice of York, Greece and Denmark. Surtsicna (talk) 11:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: True. Perhaps, then, a brief mention of the fact that she could have held other titles had her grandfather and husband not renounced theirs, without going into too much detail (?). --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 11:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly wouldn't oppose that. Surtsicna (talk) 19:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Oh, what do you think about saying that, according to the house laws of the relevant monarchies, Elizabeth has the right to use the titles Princess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duchess in Saxony, and Princess of Greece and Denmark? It should be easy to find a source for that statement. Surtsicna (talk) 20:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles she could have held 

message: I don't know why i'm being reverted when WP:IMOS FLAGS says thaat 2 of the 3 NI honours are entitled to have it in there. I find it stragely convineient that as soon as I bring it up, O Fenian takes it upon himself to change what's in there, with no consensus to do so. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 21:37, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide a source which states that the UB was the official flag of NI before 1953? Mo ainm~Talk 22:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  flag of Northern Ireland 

message: What was her title in Australia in 1952, or in NZ or Canada for that matter? MrTranscript (talk) 21:40, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen's titles in 1952 

message: I'm not terribly well versed on the subject of orders, so I hope someone can explain to me why the grade Elizabeth was appointed to is given for some orders, but not others. For example, we have "Grand Commander of the Order of the Niger" and "Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Netherlands Lion", yet also simply "Order of the Supreme Sun" and "Order of the Golden Heart". The latter two (and others like them) make no sense to me; Elizabeth wasn't made the orders, she was made a member of them.
Stranger still are entries that list Elizabeth as being an object - a "Grand Cross in Gold" or a "Grand Collar". Are these really grades of orders, or awards (like medals) that are related to orders (such as the Royal Victorian Medal or the old Medal of Service of the Order of Canada)? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it isn't clear. Some of the orders are obscure or defunct and information on them is thin. DrKay (talk) 10:09, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the orders might exist only in one grade, with no specific rank like "Grand Commander". Gestumblindi (talk) 00:41, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orders 

message: This needs a cite. I think it is incorrect personally. The Govt-Gen is Commander-in-chef. Under the Defence Act 1990 it would be more correct to say the Queen is Head of the New Zealand Defence force. Brian | (Talk) 10:10, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1990 – : Commander-in-Chief of the New Zealand Defence Force 

message: Miesianiacal placed a note within the article (reproduced here:)
So far he hasn't specifically addressed this action. So I will. Looking at the content guideline, summary-style spin-offs are approved, POV forks are not. Miesianiacal's complaint about duplication stems from the fact that another editor inserted a Canadian government building into the list of buildings named after the Queen. Miesianiacal reverted it, later calling it a bad edit. It looked good to me, and I checked with the editor to confirm this. Miesianiacal reverted me as well, making two reverts, before inserting the template we are now discussing.
In the meantime, I looked through the edit history, discovering that there had originally been more structures in the list, but that in 2009 Miesianiacal had pulled out the Canadian ones and made a separate article, presumably in line with his perception of a summary style spin-off from an already long list. 
At this point I should note that I am not against removing the list of things named after the Queen from this article dealing with titles and honours, but I don't think that Miesianiacal has gone about it the correct way. I would preserve the existing structure of the list and create sub articles:
* Awards named for Queen Elizabeth
* Geographic locations named after Queen Elizabeth
* Structures named after Queen Elizabeth
**Monuments of or named after Queen Elizabeth
**Hospitals named after Queen Elizabeth
**Schools named after Queen Elizabeth
**Roads or streets named after Queen Elizabeth
I would not divide them along national lines. Seems to me that the unifying elements that make them into a list, hence justifying their current inclusion in this article, are that they are things named after Queen Elizabeth, and that they are distinct types of things - schools, monuments etc. Miesianiacal did not seek approval or give notice at the time of his action in 2009 so that a consensus plan could be formed, he just pulled out all Canadian items.
Wikipedia, or at least the portion that Miesianiacal regularly edits, appears to be turning into a Royal Tour of the Kingdom of Canada, and it is along these lines that I see Miesianiacal's removal of Canadian objects alone as being more  like a POV fork. A good housecleaning Wikipedian would, if he were dividing this list into sub articles along national lines, have also made articles for the other nations home to things named after the Queen, rather than leaving them alone for two years, possibly for other editors to make sub-articles, depending on their own nationality, which appears to be Mies's preference.
The guideline above refers to naming and linking of articles, and Miesianiacal moved the Canadian subset of structures named after Queen Elizabeth into an article where there are fifty sections, each listing things named after various royal personages of various nations throughout history. He called this article Royal eponyms in Canada and linked to it with the direction "Further information".
I don't see this as being clear to a reader. The name is opaque - if a schoolchild comes here looking for things named after the Queen, just what are they going to think a "Royal eponym" is? - and the direction misleading, implying that one might find further information on the articles already in the list, when the precise opposite is the case. Furthermore, the article is not a subset of what is here already, as the summary-style spin-off article envisioned by the guideline Miesianiacal calls upon envisages, it is a whole different article, of far wider scope and far longer than the information excised from this list.
As noted, I am not against dividing long articles into smaller ones. But I feel that best Wikipractice requires the following:
* It be done with consensus, or at the very least notification to other editors,
* the material should be a sub-article, not a section of some entirely different article,
* the title of the new sub-article should reflect the contents, 
* the links within the parent article should clearly and accurately direct the reader, 
* all of the similar material should be moved into a series of sub-articles, rather than leaving some in the parent article, and
* the action should not be done to further a specific point of view or agenda.
Miesianiacal has inserted a duplicate note in our article, but the material he claims is duplicated is not found within the summary style spin-off article required by the guideline. 
It is like having a list of (say) Shakespeare's plays, removing any set in Italy to another article titled Plays set in Italy, where plays from forty-nine other playwrights are also listed, and then complaining when someone in good faith  re-inserts Merchant of Venice into the list of Shakespeare's plays, saying that the material is duplicated elsewhere and does not belong in the list.
I think that a list of Things named for Elizabeth II should contain *all* of those things. After all, it is just a list of things - we are not duplicating long descriptions of buildings or maps of roads or photographs of monuments. --Pete (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting aside all the inaccuracies and misrepresentations in the above and focusing on duplication: There are currently entries in the section List of titles and honours of Queen Elizabeth II#Things named for Elizabeth II that are duplicates of entries in the section Royal eponyms in Canada#Queen Elizabeth II. That should not be the case; the entries should be at one place or another. The first question that needs answered, therefore, is: should all structures and locations named for Elizabeth II be listed in this article or in another article or articles? My opinion is that the latter is best, since this page is already broad in scope and legibly long without even having yet collected all the information out there that falls within its focus. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 18:37, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia's fields are broad enough for both. There is no problem with adding your own articles and lists, but please don't take away from what we already have. A list of things named after the Queen should contain the whole list, for the convenience of our readers, and it should be in the place where readers are most likely to look for it, not fragmented and hidden away. --Pete (talk) 20:52, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please directly and less cryptically answer the question put to you? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:33, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Both, or as many as is required. Why did you pull out only Canadian structures from a list of structures named after the Queen? --Pete (talk) 23:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Then do so, please. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 01:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes, that does seem necessary at this point. Thank you. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication 

message: In line with WP:SS, and as noted above, I'd like to propose that the "Things named after Queen Elizabeth" should be split off as a distinct summary list article. Buildings and roads and monuments aren't really the "titles and honours" one would expect. An honour to have something named after you, to be sure, and if anybody wants to lay down a Skyring Boulevard in some iconic global city, I'd count that an honour, but I think we can pull out all the things, and leave the intangibles here. And thanks for Miesaniacal for bringing this up. Oh yeah. If we make a new article, it should include all the buildings, roads, bridges and concrete things named after the Queen. --Pete (talk) 05:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And what do you suggest be done with Royal eponyms in Canada#Queen Elizabeth II? ("Things named after Queen Elizabeth II is a terrible article title, BTW.) --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the now pointless link. I propose using the long-standing section title "Things named for Elizabeth II" for the new list, in accordance with MOS guidelines. Perhaps "Things named for Queen Elizabeth II" would be better for a stand-alone list. We need to consider readers at all levels, from school-children up. I also intend waiting for views of regular contributors to this article, as creating a new article is best discussed before being bold, given the difficulty of reversion. --Pete (talk) 21:04, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored the link since it is not at all superfluous (not yet, anyway). Please answer my question. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 22:33, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I provided the answer. Nothing. Nothing needs to be done with Royal eponyms in Canada except maybe find a more accessible title. It does not need to be linked to from here, because all the relevant items are already included in this complete list. There is no "further information" to be found there on the items we already list, and the other "royal eponyms" are doubly irrelevant because they are restricted to Canadian items alone, and are named after forty-nine other royal persons. --Pete (talk) 01:36, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Sage advice has been given here, and we should think about what selection criteria to use for a standalone list. "Things named for Queen Elizabeth II" is not really specific enough to include structures and roads, but exclude immaterial items such as prizes and awards and scholarships, unless we want them, leaving this article to list the titles and honours personally belonging to the Queen, and a new article to list things not actually belonging to the Queen  but named for her. In any case, I see no good reason to exclude Canadian things from such a list. --Pete (talk) 10:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If Royal eponyms in Canada#Queen Elizabeth II is to be left as is, please explain the rationale behind your desire to have duplicate information in two separate places. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is full of items that appear on multiple lists. The Ford Mustang appears on List of Ford vehicles, Ford bestselling models, List of Ford platforms, List of cars manufactured in the United States, List of 2008 United States EPA fuel economy ratings, List of Trans-Am Series marques, List of automobile sales by model, List of James Bond vehicles, List of Bathurst 1000 vehicles, List of badge engineered vehicles and more or less marginal inclusion in other lists, categories and compendium articles far too numerous to list. We could have a list of such lists, and I have no doubt that it would be well maintained by Mustang fans. I draw your attention to List of hospitals in Canada, especially the three named after the Queen. I'm interested as to why you support a radical move against such a well-entrenched wikipractice of putting things in as many appropriate lists as possible. But I'd prefer you address my proposal instead. So far I see no objections raised. --Pete (talk) 21:09, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We're not talking about one item being included in multiple lists; you're proposing that 68 items and counting be repeated twice in two different lists. Why? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

text: How do you expect me to respond to this? You seem to have confused me with some other person you're engaged in debate with. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 01:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting things off 

message: Jesus Christ -- I don't think I've seen quite as blatant an example of flag misuse as this article in ages.  Can we take a baby step at bringing this in line with MOS:FLAG and remove flags for non-national entities?  This means eg. the military flags in "Honorary military positions". Jpatokal (talk) 12:06, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: I would likee this or a similar edit reinstated. The number one reason people view this page is to find the long, fancy form of her style which appears to be lacking from Queen Elizabeth II. I understand that this differs between realms, so we have to point people to the list below. Readers will be – and both I and a friend were –  confused by the full style given first, which is the old one. Nothing about the sentence "Officially, her style and title in full was Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith." indicates that this is no longer the case. The proposal is for a measly two or three words, thus removing this problem without any additional difficulties. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs)  11:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason I reverted was that the addition was superfluous and renders the text less concise; the word immediately following is was, which in context (i.e. immediately following the reference to her accession) seems reasonably clear to be referring to the situation at the time of the accession as opposed to now. (Even if you add at accession, that doesn't actually state that it's changed any more than the current wording does.) The following sentence references the situation at the coronation, while the next paragraph then immediately references the '53 conference and the agreement on new, separate titles. - Chrism would like to hear from you 16:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification requested 

message: Should this article mention that she is Royal Patroness of Queens' College, Cambridge? jftsang 07:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal Patroness 

message: Does anyone know if she was Sovereign of any of the Orders in any of the commonwealth realms that are now republics?JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 02:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sovereign of any of the Orders in any of the former commonwealth realms? 

message: Is she really called “Queen Lady” in Jamaican Patois? Missis Queen I can find other cites for, but—like did the BBC get it from the Daily Mail, or did the Daily Mail get it from the BBC? I can’t find any other sources for this, and I don’t consider either of those particularly reliable on matters such as these. —Wiki Wikardo 08:26, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there are more than enough reliable sources there now. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:26, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *sigh* They’re the exact same sources as were there before; plus a book that got it from whichever newspaper. —Wiki Wikardo 01:32, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, my bad—it was the BBC reference up there before; you put the Daily Mail one. But, as I previously stated, those are the same story and one news source likely got it from the other, as is common in newspapers. —Wiki Wikardo 01:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen Lady 

message: I would like to see the return of the Royal Syle infobox on all Royal pages.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.67.141.248 (talk) 18:36, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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message: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-queen-and-duke-of-edinburgh-receive-long-service-and-good-conduct-medals
Not sure how to add this?
BSc600 (talk) 13:24, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The Queen just awarded a medal to herself? --₪ MIESIANIACAL 14:56, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No BSc600 (talk) 01:09, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? In whose name are the medals issued, then? Who's effigy is on the medals to indicate the authority who awards them? --₪ MIESIANIACAL 21:08, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: Why is Lord of Mann called unofficial?  Isn't it the correct title? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 18:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not. The Queen can hold no titles from herself. Garlicplanting (talk) 10:46, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

text: Neither here nor there. The Queen is Sovereign of both and still can't hold titles from herself.Garlicplanting (talk) 14:30, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
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message: Does everyone agree with the recent removal of the alternative style "Ma'am"? I think that this should remain, being as it has a very long tradition behind it. But I will abide by the consensus. --L.Smithfield (talk) 04:14, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
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message: Wasn't she Queen of South Africa until 1961?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3001:600:4A00:AD6F:CE2B:BF3F:C6FB (talk) 16:06, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. It's listed in the "Former" section. DrKay (talk) 18:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen of South Africa 

message: Elizabeth II is still the Queen. As per the Royal website, Elizabeth II is still referred to as Her Majesty the Queen. The British public refer to her as the Queen and the King's wife has another title, Queen Consort, in order so Elizabeth II can continue being the queen. Likewise, her mother was called the Queen Mother during her reign. She may no longer be monarch as she sadly passed away on 8 September 2022, but she is still the Queen. The title should read : Her Majesty The Queen: 06 February 1952 - present. 2A00:23C7:6482:AA01:29:DE7C:931A:C407 (talk) 06:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: she ceased being "The Queen" upon her death. Even though Queen Camilla was known as "Queen Consort", from the moment of Her husband's ascension she is The Queen Joddd334 (talk) 09:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Present title 

message: In 1936, until she became Queen, she went from simply “Princess” to “The Princess”. I assume this is because she had gone from 3rd-in-line to heir presumptive. However, this article gives NO such explanation for that change.
The addition of the “The”, whether this was a typical styling for heir presumptived, etc. should be explained in this article. Currently, zero explanation is given. SecretName101 (talk) 02:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: the definitive article of 'The' proceedings a princely title declares the individual as a child of a monarch. So Prince William is HRH The Prince William, Prince of Wales as child of The King, likewise Princess Margaret was HRH The Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon until her death, although not child of the current monarch, she was the child of a former monarch Joddd334 (talk) 09:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs an explanation of the “The”