Talk:River Irwell

message: I don't think Greater Manchester is a county any longer? (It shouldn't be. Been far better if it had been strangled at birth as they say)
The river rises on Deerplay Moor - is this actually in Cliviger?
I think it should be made clear that the Irwell enters the city of Salford (at Clifton) before it enters Manchester.
:Greater Manchester is a county! This is a long winded but resolved issue both here on Wikipedia and elsewhere, due to broad and accepted consensus, administrative issues, and also legal status. However I am writing just to ask a question; doesn't the River Beal (which runs through Shaw and Crompton and Milnrow) join the River Irwell as a tributary? Thanks, Jhamez84 17:12, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: -Sorry I see it joins the River Roch first! Thanks, Jhamez84 22:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location 

message: This page talks about Weddell Brook in Bury, which would seem to be here.  It has been pinned a few times on Google Earth.  Any thoughts? Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tributaries 

message: http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1950/apr/18/river-irwell-pollution#S5CV0474P0-00744 is an interesting read regarding pollution of the river Parrot of Doom (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is really good stuff, I'll get some of it added in, and the stuff about Kersal for that article too. Richerman (talk) 15:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Of interest 

message: I came across this today: http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/00features/424/00a.html
The 'Anaconda Cut', in Salford.  Seems like a worthy addition to this article as a piece of civil engineering.  I've looked on  and the location is just here, it curves northeast roughly following the curvy bit of Short St.  Interestingly, unlike most changes, you can't really see where the old river was by looking at aerial photography. Parrot of Doom (talk) 14:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I too was very surprised to see that there was no mention of this important development in this article considering it was this single part of the river responsible for  the  flooding  in 1866 and 1946 in Salford. Sorry I am not up to the task of editing an article but I hope these two links will help whoever is. The first is an old map of Manchester/Salford showing the river and the route it once took and the second an  aerial photograph of what was known as the 'Anaconda Bend' before the cut was made.
http://www.hipkiss.org/data/maps/michelin_michelin-guide-to-the-british-isles_1911_manchester_2008_2185_600.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/soundman/2830040495/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.115.128 (talk) 15:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been updating the history section form newspaper cuttings in Salford Local Hstory library but it's a slow process as I only get the occasional lunchbreak free when I can do it. This will make an interesting addition to the history section and I'll add something in as soon as I get chance. Thanks for the links. Richerman (talk) 23:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anaconda Cut 

message: There are a lot of Manchester Evening News sources on here, which is fine, however nearly all are missing either a page number, or author information.  This information will be required to improve the article's rating, could whoever added them (presumably they have one of those online access accounts) please edit the references and add that information accordingly? Parrot of Doom (talk) 13:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replied to this point on the Parrot of Doom's talk page but I'll reply here too for the record. The newspaper references have all come from actual newspaper cuttings or photocopies of articles kept in the Salford Local History Library. Unfortunately they don't keep a record of the page number when they take them, only the date of publication. Also, I've put in the name of the author where it's given in the article, but many short newspaper articles (and even some longer ones) in local papers don't have any indication of who the author is. I suppose you could possibly find the page numbers for the M.E.N. articles by finding a library with the newspaper on microfiche, but it would take hours to do it and some of the articles are from newspapers that are long gone. To be honest it seems a lot of work for a small return. Richerman (talk) 16:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Copied from my talk page:
I'm not sure about the length of some of the 20th century material, and I also have misgivings about the Mark Addy section. The sections on commerce are great though, I like how they focus on the competitive nature of the companies involved. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Having the natural history section does cause its own problems as I'm trying to tell the story of the river's decline and the slow path back to recovery in the history section by focusing on the water quality, and the fish stocks in the river are the best indicator of this. However Natural History is part of the recommended structure. The 20th century part of the history is looking a bit unbalanced at the moment but that's because there's a lot of information in the local history library from then. Maybe when I've finished it will even out a bit, but if it still looks too long then it can always be trimmed down. The Mark Addy section went in early on, but since then I've contributed to an article about him, so I think he can be reduced to a couple of sentences in the 19th century section. Richerman (talk) 21:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerns 

message: The above is not transcluding onto this page, which is a minor nuisance, but the comments are all there and can be edited easily enough. If anyone knows how to fix it pls feel free, but its getting late and I am signing off now. Ben MacDui 23:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was an extra pair of noinclude boxes, at the start and finish of your review in the GA1 - I've removed them and the problem appears to be fixed.Pyrotec (talk) 10:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Ben MacDui 20:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No transclusion 

message: I know we're in the middle of a GAC, but thought it worth a mention that we have this image of the confluence of the Melock and Irwell. It looks like its of suitable quality for the article if we need/want it. --Jza84 |  Talk   12:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a good quality image but I'm loath to add anything until the GAC's over as the reviewer has already commented on the number of new edits. Richerman (talk) 12:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No probs, it's a fair point! --Jza84 |  Talk   12:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

text: By all means go ahead if you are so inspired. Ben MacDui 20:42, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medlock 

message: Pit-yacker has suggested we should geotag the Irwell but I'm not sure how it should be done. There are draft recommendations at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates/Linear which say the main point should be the estuary/mouth but there isn't really one as it joins the Mersey. Should we go for the source, mid point and confluence with the Mersey - and if so, do all three go at the top of the article or just one of them, with the others in the text?
:I'd go with the midpoint. Jolly Ω Janner 15:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK the river ends at the Woden St bridge in Salford, where it then becomes the ship canal (although ships can't get that far any more now that Trafford Swing Bridge is fixed).  Personally, that's where I'd put it. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi all! I have been working my way through the Greater Manchester rivers, (they are one of the major subject areas that still need geotagging).    The geobox template allows for source and mouth co-ordinates, so both can go into that template.  However, the co-ordinates that geobox puts in top right are the mouth co-ordinates.  Where a river joins another, I have put the confluence as the mouth.  The main reason for tagging this article was that as Parrot of Doom suggests - the end of the River Irwell is not entirely clear Pit-yacker (talk) 20:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well look at it the other way - the ship canal ended at the Woden St bridge.  So what comes after the canal... Parrot of Doom (talk) 22:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Aaargh! I've put the coordinates in using the first three sets of figures as they come up on google earth, ignoring the ones after the decimal point, but the mouth ends up near Moscow. I've tried Earth Tools as well and that gives different figures (53.7336°N 2.1952°W for the source and 53.4726°N 2.2654°W for the mouth) but they still end up in some foreign country. Where am I going wrong? Richerman (talk) 01:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't tell it the N and W bit :) Parrot of Doom (talk) 01:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW do we need the co-ords at the top right any longer? Parrot of Doom (talk) 01:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so that's what goes in there! The ones at the top right are automatically generated from the mouth coordinates in the infobox. Richerman (talk) 10:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geotag 

message: I have a quote from Frangopulo (1977) that say the River Irwell was described as "the most hard-worked and over-tasked stream in the universe" (Tradition in Action, p. 136). That quote was itself from . Might be worth a mention somewhere. --Jza84 |  Talk   00:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What else does he say about the area?  Anything of use to any GM articles?  Send me a copy of the relevant text if you like. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote 

message: This section seems a bit huge. I wonder if there's a neater way of doing it? Perhaps some kind of collapsible wiki code, or fancy wiki toy? Parrot of Doom (talk) 01:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've collapsed it - I hadn't realised it was so simple to do. Richerman (talk) 20:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok can you hurry up next time please :) Parrot of Doom 21:33, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I must try harder, I must try harder, I must tr....... Richerman (talk) 21:57, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tributaries 

message: This has puzzled me for quite some time. Surely at their confluence (Irlam), the Irwell (aka MSC) appears to be the main river in that it is surely far wider than the 'little' Mersey. Compare the Mersey in say Sale with the Irwell in say Salford and there's no comparison, the Irwell is the larger river surely. Anybody else care to comment please?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.202.100 (talk) 20:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The Irwell at that point is not the natural river but one that has been canalised to form Britain's largest canal - hardly a surprise that it's bigger than the Mersey! That said, the Irwell has also travelled further to get to that point than the Mersey. cheers Geopersona (talk) 19:17, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irwell, a tributary of the Mersey 

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message: By my own measurements (i.e. original research on my part so cannot be included in the article), the length of the river from its traditional source - Irwell Spring - is 63km / 39 miles to the point at which it is subsumed in the Manchester Ship Canal and a further 13km / 8 miles to the point at which the Ship Canal/Irwell meets with the Mersey. The article describes the Irwell as extending to its confluence with the Mersey but employs a figure which relates only to the non-canalised part of the river (the reference is in a speech bubble in a community newsletter and doesn't go into any detail as to where the figure of 39 miles arises but it does match mine). Incidentally another headwater provides a marginally longer length (just 50m) than that from the spring - and anomalously, the spring does not connect with the watercourse itself on Ordnance Survey maps of any vintage. cheers Geopersona (talk) 19:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length and source