Talk:Broly/Archive 1

message: In dbz movie 8, Paragaus talks about how Broly was extremly powerful even as a child, i'm thinking that mabey at or around the same time that he put that mind-control thing on Broly's head, he might have cut off his tail to lessen his power even more, lest Broly overpower the device and kill every one around him, and then kept cutting it off whenever it grew back, and one more thing, when Broly comes back in movie 10, Gohan says while fighting Broly "hes just as much of a challenge as before" this always bothered me as, when a saiyan recovers from a near-death experience (such as Broly surviving the destruction of a planet) their power is supposed to greatly incerease, in some cases even so much as to double in strength, but Broly's power didn't seem to be any different from the 8th movie, also when in lssj form in dbz movie 10 his hair IS still green, I don't see why people keep saying that it isn't.
I saw Broly in super sayin 4 on the internet once.
I think that the main reason you see his hair green is that his Ki attacks are green. I think his hair gets the green tint when he is firing ki, due to the green light. It is yellow sometimes, probably when he doesn't fire off ki. Buster Sword 20:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can tell you that Broly never reached "SSJ4" (which isn't even canon in the DBZ universe; it was created by the people behind GT). At most, I'd say he's SSJ2. --Xeon25 13:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A cannon showdown?? Well who is to say that a SSJ2 or SSJ3 can't destroy a galaxy with his or her powers? It was never push to that because all the SSJ2 Saiyans are heroes and would not do such a horrible thing not even Vegeta as he was more of a anti hero at the time. Now I said this in the archieves of SSJ article that LSSJ is some what equal to a SSJ2. That has been proven by Gohan during the Cell Games with the Cell Jrs who's powers were just as powerful if not stronger that a Asended SSJ or Ultra SSJ. He destroyed them with no effort. As in the movies Broly had to put a little effort in beating the snot out of Goku and the fellas. And Goku's powers with the shared saiyans and namekian powers were somewhere in the power level of a SSJ2 or SSJ3 when he defeated Broly. 
I am not disagreeing about Broly's powers. It's just that if he had be a canon character in the series he would have be the strongest saiyan but he was only created because of a mistake that Akira Toriyama made with the Super Saiyan legend that Toei felt they wanted to fix but could only do it in a movie since the manga was already close to being done with no room for Broly. Remember before the legend was reverted to what it says now. It said that there is only one Super Saiyan at a time when a SSJ is born every 1000 years. But with the introduction of Trunk(Mirai) and Vegeta becoming a SSJ then the other sayian youths transformations it destroyed that legend and a new one was made to what it says today. So to fix it that the new Legend was made with Broly being the saiyan born with the legendary powers. However with it being a movie it did not help to much. Heat P 08:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ssj4 broly? 

message: Brolly with the Green Hair form may simply be his False Super Saiyan form. Seeing as how he has essentially been a Super Saiyan since birth he may have far greater control over each form shifting into the forms as he sees power required with the exception of any time he encounters Kakkarot where he just automatically loses control and goes straight to max. This is demonstrated in the second Brolly movie where he doesn't go into Legendary mode until after Gohan goes SS1. As for Brolly's near death experience power up, he really couldn't have gotten any stronger. As Gohan has proven seven years of inactivity can take a toll on one's power level. That said while Gohan simply didn't train, Brolly was in a coma for seven years. And he still got stronger. Or an alternate theory perhaps because of the mutant gene that lets him get stronger during battle cancels the gene that increases strength after the battle.
On Brolly's tail-
If your son was a Legendary Super Saiyan would you want him looking at a full moon?
Rayfire 20:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brolly False Super Saiyan 

message: Brolly was fast and strong. He didn't really train as he was naturally freakishly strong. A person who doesn't ever need to dodge doesn't worry about things like speed. However it is a very good point that he could run down whoever he wanted. He probably couldn't have caught a Super Saiyan 2 Gohan or a Super Saiyan 3 Goku but he has proven that he is the fastest Super Saiyan 1 at any stage. But he was really too big to perform any high speed intricate maneuvers. That said his battles have proven him to very agile in Super Saiyan 1 and Legendary modes. Pretty much Broly does what Broly wants to do.
As for his power level in comparison to other DBZ villains, the very nature of Broly would mean that even if he was weaker than Cell or Buu, unless they killed him instantly at the start of the fight (not likely even in Kid Buu's case) then before the battle was over Broly would have grown to become the more powerful.
Rayfire 20:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brolly's Speed 

message: I thought Broly reached the Oozaru form when he became a giant on Bio-Broly. How else could he have become so large? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jienum (talk • contribs) .
:Um no, if he was Oozaru, he would have needed to see a full moon, and he would have had a pronounced snout and ape-like posture. He grew to that size because he had become one with the ooze. Remember, they cover him in it and you see him melt. For w/e reasons, the writer of the movie decided it'd be cool if he came for one last scare, so he had enough fight in him to use his power to mold that gunk into his image. Note how easily he was dropped. It was just a Broly-shaped mass of gunk. Bio-Oozaru Broly or whatever would have taken more than a blast from Goten and Trunks to go down for the count. Onikage725 22:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oozaru Form 

message: Stop reverting the changes to that ugly, disorganised version. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darkwarriorblake (talk • contribs) . 
:Your version is in need of cleanup. It is full of sloppy writing and has poor grammar. In fact, most of your edits to other articles are like that. And please sign your posts.-3bulletproof16 23:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Behind the legend is simply a header to bring it into format continuity with the main character articles of Dragon Ball Z.  Its not an in-depth psyche evaluation, its just his history section.  Articles like Goku have had a large overhaul by myself and it has recieved few repairs so I fail to see where you think I'm going so horribly wrong.Darkwarriorblake 00:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For one thing, the Appearance section is completely unnecessary as it already states most of the information there clearer in the Forms section, not to mention most of it is poorly written. The edits made to the Power Level section have poor grammar. The History headings are unnecessary since Broly's life isn't that complex as it was easily summarized in just two movies. As for the mention of Broly returning in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 is just plane irrelevant.-3bulletproof16 00:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't make the changes to power level section or add the information about Budokai 2.  Check the history list.
To everything else, whatever, I don't care enough about Broly to fight over him with you.  If you really think it looks better now, power to you, enjoy.Darkwarriorblake 00:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not that I think it looks better this way it's just that it complies more with Wikipedia's policy for Manual of Style.-3bulletproof16 01:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bulletproof

message: I know broly has a traditional super sayin yellow aura but is his original aura color green like all of his attacks or purple when he is in controlled super sayin. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.206.66.234 (talk • contribs) .
http://aneeqb.c.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/broly.jpg.w300h397.jpg < looks blue to me, but you be the judge--Takuthehedgehog 06:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It changes along with his emotions and transformations.--Suit-n-tie 18:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: aura color?

message: How come in the second Broly Movie when Broly's heart explodes, why is the fluid green? Shouldn't it be red?--suit-n-tie 04:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broly's Green Blood 

message: Should his base form be described? If yes, I'll do it in a flash.--suit-n-tie 21:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. I don't see any reason not to. As long as it's in the right place.--KojiDude (viva la BAM!) 21:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just did. I don't think its great, though. If anyone has time could they go through it?--suit-n-tie 22:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It really didn't add much... I'll see what I can do though. -- bulletproof 3:16 22:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Cool, it looks a bit better now.--Suit-n-tie 18:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Base. 

message: Why is Broly categorized with fictional characters with multiple personalities? He is just insane, he doesn't just switch personalities.--Suit-n-tie 18:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just did.--Suit-n-tie 18:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple Personalities?

message: As I viewed Broly many times in his movies, I realize that his Super Saiyan Form at max is the same form that Trunks achieved during his fight with Cell before the Cell Games got started. As for how he performed in the mode, he was a tad bit more faster and way stronger than Goku and the others due to his unusual power. Anyways, more to the point, I was thinking maybe someone should add in a small hint of information letting the readers know what actual form Broly had achieve rather than calling it Legendary Super Saiyan Form. (But that is of course up to them.)
from calm, base mode to controlled Super Saiyan mode to Super Saiyan 1 mode and to Legendary Super Saiyan Muscle mode. This is how I see it, but it is up to those writing about him to add this. If they want.--Zhang Liao 05:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...sigh?-- bulletproof 3:16 14:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add On Description of Broly 

message: Hello! Since I was reverted, and following the one-revert rule, I will put my point of view here. The  tag suits the article, because the article has no references. According to this edit, the anime, manga and daizenshuu are the references. Now, suppose I am Generic Joe, a casual user. I arrive to this article knowing very little about Broly and wanting to learn more. I read the first sentence in the "Childhood" section:
At birth, Goku was born with a power level of 2, while Broly was born with the astonishing level of 10,000.
Now, where is this referenced? Anime? Which episode? Manga? Which volume? Daizenshuu? What is that? I continue reading:
This is an unusually high level of strength, especially for a newly born Saiyan infant, considering that Raditz, who was an average low level adult Saiyan warrior, had a power level of 1,200 in his first appearance.
First appearance? When? I could continue this way for every paragraph if necessary. Remember, this article needs to be useful for casual users, not only for fans. Even some fans may question from where the information comes. There is not even a standard "References" section, at least listing the anime episodes, OAVs, and manga volumes that have been used as references.
Finally, I recommend reading the guidelines for writing about fictional characters, it may be useful to expand the article. Good luck! -- ReyBrujo 04:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? Broly wasn't in the Burdock special. And Goku's power level was 2--SUIT 05:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: That was the Broly special--SUIT 03:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced 

message: Since most of the Dragon Ball character pages have their original Japanese names, I was wondering if this page should list his name as Broli instead of Broly to fit in with the rest of the pages. I know this doesn't seem like a big deal, one letter, but I still think the page should be Broli instead of Broly like Coola's page is Coola instead of Cooler. -- Takuthehedgehog 24:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dragon Ball characters are listed by their official English name(which is the manga name if they appeared in the manga). Since Broly wasn't in the manga, his official English name is the one from the anime(Broly). TJ Spyke 00:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not the case.  If it were, the Vegetto page would be titled "Vegerot" and the Majin Buu page would be titled "djinn Boo".  Just because FUNimation and/or Viz spell it a certain way hardly makes it official.  Since the names are intended to be puns, the spelling closest to it should be the "official" one.  In this case it would be either Broli or Brolli.  Also the characters name when romanized from Katakana translates as "Burori", so at the very least it should use the "i" instead of the "y".GI Judd 18:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it were to be either Broli or Brolli, I think it should be Broli since that is the name used in Steve Simmon's Subtitles for the Japanese versions of movies 8, 10, and 11. Takuthehedgehog 22:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Bumping. When I take action I'm told to discuss. When I discuss I get two comments and then it goes uncommented on. So, should Broly be used, or Broli? Broli's name is a pun on Broccoli. FUNimation went with the spelling Broly, even though Broccoli doesn't have a y in it. The Japanese romanji is Burori, which, when one takes the name pun into concideration, should translate to Broli, and is the name used in the subtitles for the Japanese version provided on the FUNimation DVDs. So what should we use, and don't bring up that "Most results from google" bullshit, thats what redirects are for. What diffrent does it make if someone types in Broly and goes to a page called Broli with a picture of the character they know as Broli on it? It'll be obvious to them that this page just uses a diffrent spelling. Takuthehedgehog 06:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Japanese subtitles don't matter. This isn't the Japanese Wikipedia, it's the English Wikipedia. Most people will recognize him as Broly, and most fan sites, merchandise, video games, ect in English use Broly.--KojiDude (Contributions) 06:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So Broly remains? At least he brought it up this time,.--SUIT42 06:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what if it's the English wikipedia? Last I checked, Coola, Tullece, Vegetto, Bebi, and a lot of the other pages don't use the English name because FUNimation fucked up on it and doesn't care because they just want money, so resonable people decided to do something about it because it's bullshit. Just because it's official doesn't mean we should use an impropperly translated name. Takuthehedgehog 05:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Broly or Broli?

message: Well, there's obviously no reason for the "(Dragon Ball)" parenthesis since it's the only Broly on Wikipedia. Right? By the way, someone's been messin' around with moving Broly's pages randomly a little too much. Power level (Dragon Ball) 19:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Support: No real reason to have the (Dragon Ball) part. Just extra letters to type. // Sasuke-kun27 21:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this move. No point in having the (Dragon Ball) in there. There's also alot of really stupid redirects for this page, like Brollli, Brollllli and Brollly that should be deleted. Broli redirects to Brollllli, which is supossed to redirect to Broly, which is supossed to redirect here. Somebody fucked this page up really bad.KojiDude (Contributions) 21:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Want me to go through some of the redirects and tag them for deletion? I wouldn't have a problem with it. // Sasuke-kun27 12:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that'd be a good idea. I'd tag them myself if I knew how. Sometimes my own laziness shocks me.--KojiDude (Contributions) 22:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just type in . I tagged three so far, but they seem to be the only redirects that need deleting (complete nonsense). If you want, you can go to the main article, click What links here on the left side of the screen, and see if I missed any redirects that should be deleted. // Sasuke-kun27 22:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move from [[Broli]] and [[Broly (Dragon Ball)]] to just [[Broly]]

message: Wow. Three games are listed and there are three moves per game. Is this section really necessary? Not in my eyes, that's for sure. I wanted to get some feedback on this section before I removed it. Any objections? // Sasuke-kun27 02:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Goku has a technique section, hell Radditz has a section for his techniques, so why not Broly?--SUIT42 02:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This one is his abilities in video games, which aren't really notable since most of the characters' moves are different in each game. If it was a list of moves he uses in the movies, it would be completely diferent. // Sasuke-kun27 02:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removal of Video Game attacks but we keep the Movie attacks? I don't know....--SUIT42 03:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I forget, did he have any named attacks in the movies? Maybe just turn it into a paragraph or two describing his fighting style and basic abilities instead? I mean really, isn't he mostly full of wrestling type moves and just that one type of energy attack basically?Nemu 03:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good suggestion.--SUIT42 03:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that brings up a good point. To my knowledge, know of his attacks are named. Maybe we should just go with a paragraph instead, as said above. // Sasuke-kun27 03:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another good suggestion.--SUIT42 03:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, the section really is pointless. He never really named any of his attacks. He just charged up a tiny little green energy ball and threw it. However the video games are the only thing we have for reference, since it is the only thing out there that names his attacks and can at least be considered official. I don't recall ever seeing his attacks being named in the Daizenshuu. -- bulletproof 3:16 17:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

text: That's kind of what we were talking about.--SUITWhat?  42 02:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah and sign your comments... -- bulletproof 3:16 02:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: There's no point in that. It's fine the way it is. // PoeticDecay 18:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested removal of ''Techniques and special abilities'' 

message: I'm not sure if it was mentioned but does Brolly have a tail or not?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.63.135.8 (talk • contribs).
:No. // PoeticDecay 18:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: tail

message: Broly is not an important character, he's probably a quatrary character. Lots of secondary and tertiary characters have already nonsensically been merged, so there's no logical reason that this even lesser character who appears in 2 movies as an organic form and 1 movie as an inorganic construct to have his own page. This character is probably one of the least important in the dbz universe, especially based on appearance, air time, and amount of importance to the overall storyline. A filler character altogether, he holds no grounds to have his own page when way more important characters have already been merged. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 149.68.164.76 (talk • contribs).
I personally like Broly...but I agree that he isn't as important and it makes sense to merge him since more important characters have already been merged. - 69.86.243.244
He won't be merged, too much info... -Dark Dragon Flame 23:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance - Merging 

message: ?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.190.133.199 (talk) 23:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there 2 sections for Bio-Broly?