Talk:Armenian cemetery in Julfa

message: Redirect the article by removing its content once again and I'm going to report your actions to admin incidents page without prior notice.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 15:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Makalp  

message: It would be really useful to have a map or maps of the area in question since there are so many countries involved/mentioned. Kmcnamee 09:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. -- Aivazovsky 12:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map? 

message: : As this seems to be a case of a fork I've redirected Khachkar destruction to this one.  Please cooperate in moving useful material from there to here. --Tony Sidaway 01:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Or, alternately, reverse the redirect.  Some people editing the other article have said that material present in that is absent in this one, which is a more recent fork. --Tony Sidaway 05:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I think this is what should be done. Keeping the fork and removing the original article after 2 AfDs that resulted with keep is not a better solution. Grandmaster 05:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Has this fork ever been listed for deletion?  If it has no reason to exist it's probably better as a history merge, which you'd need an Articles for deletion (AFD) discussion for. --Tony Sidaway 05:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The fork has not been listed for deletion, but the other article has been twice. But since that other article has been voted to be kept, I think this one should be made a redirect. There's no reason for its existence, other than a desire of some people to limit its scope to only 1 region and remove any mention of destruction in other places. Grandmaster 05:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It is not even limited in its scope to one region, it is limited in its scope to one site! Meowy 20:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I checked the article that Eupator provided as a source that Nakhichevan was part of “Armenian plateau”, and it says:
Russian  Armyanskoye Nagorye,  also spelled  Arm'anskoje Nagor'e,   mountainous region of Transcaucasia. It lies mainly in Turkey, occupies all of Armenia, and includes southern Georgia, western Azerbaijan, and northwestern Iran.
Nakhichevan is not specifically mentioned. Also, none of the sources about deportation mentions plateau, so it is an original research. I suggest we fix it to make complaint with the sources. Grandmaster 04:36, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Armenian plateau" and its other variants like "Armenian tableland" were widely used in European and North American geographical and geological works published up 'til the 1950s to descibe this part of the World. It does include all of modern-day Nakhchivan. Soviet-period books will have got the term from those foreign books (no Soviet-period geologists would have ever set foot in Turkey). The term has now become somewhat obsolete, given that most of the Armenian plateau is in Turkey and it is no longer officially permitted to use the term there. Meowy 19:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's why I suggested to remove this misleading statement, which is an OR: It was from the Armenian plateau (which included Nakhchivan), etc. Also the statistics are not relevant to this region as well. We have no info about how many people were relocated from the region. Grandmaster 08:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Marshall, please do not delete sourced info. Grandmaster 04:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It is relevant, as the current version creates impression that Nakhichevan was populated by Armenians before the deportation and that deportation affected only Armenian people, which is not accurate. No mention is made of Muslim and other population. That is not acceptable. You keep removing the info time after time without any discussion or consensus. --Grandmaster 04:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: If this is about Julfa in Nakhichevan, then what has “Armenian plateau” to do with it? If you want to provide historical background, why not saying that Julfa had a significant Armenian population before the deportation? This is sourced info and I would not object to this. But inclusion of all the irrelevant numbers and plateau is not justified and I do not agree with it. If you want to ask third party opinion, please ask it. But remember that Khoikhoi restored the info that you deleted with proper attribution of each view. Now you deleted it again without consensus with other editors. --Grandmaster 06:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am pleased that all the off-topic material on the history of Nakhichevan has been removed. The is a proper place for such material, but just not in this entry. Meowy 15:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Your whole source is a lie. Its authors are blatant liars who never actually visited the site. I urge you not to push this, or I will substantially rewrite the entire article. Meowy 17:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is your personal opinion. IWPR is a reliable source. Please do not remove it.--Grandmaster 05:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not my personal opinion. The "journalist" in question either lied about visiting the site, or was so ignorant about the subject that he didn't realise he didn't actually visit the site. Meowy 22:05, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian plateau 

message: I'm curious to know if anyone would be opposed to renaming this article to Armenian Cemetery in Jugha or the Jugha Cemetery" (or has other suggestions) since it would be nice to expand a little and focus on the funerary monuments that once stood here.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:59, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is a very good idea. Meowy 21:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just realizing this now: but should the title of this article continue to reflect the town's/cemetery's Armenian name or the more common name and the one used in Azerbaijan of Julfa?--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name change

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