Talk:Cartoon Wars Part II

message: "It is speculated (but not confirmed) that the creators/writers for Family Guy will either be Scientologists, Catholics, Crab People, Saddam Hussein, the Super Adventure Club, Tom Cruise, Xenu, Darth Chef or another character/group portrayed recently in the series." By whom is it speculated? Bezo 04:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What Bezo said. And how is it based on commercials for the show, its website and/or other advance publicity? And if I think Patrick Duffy is behind it all can I add him on the list too? And, finally, what's the point of speculation if you have a list longer then my arm? --Bahati 08:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculations 

message: :Twenty bucks says they show a Terrance and Phillip episode.
::Yeah, I am half-expecting something completely out of left field, although that one was April 1st. Something having nothing to do with continuing the plotline from the last episode. Doregasm 00:34, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You guy were half right...  Ace ofspade 03:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was actually convinced for a second that they were really going to pull that "...will not air tonight!" business. Jeff Silvers 03:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Big Part Two 

message: Was the image of Muhammad really removed by Comedy Central?
Yes it was.  How disappointing.
How do you know for sure? Couldn't it be just part of the whole free speech joke? Did Comedy Central actually release a statement saying this?
:I was sorta wondering the same thing. Jeff Silvers 03:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think not showing Muhammad is the point in the joke/idea of these two episodes - everyone expected to see him as if it actually mattered to these episodes' message in any way. Would this whole episode be OK if he was censored, and would it be outrageous if he was not...? On one side you have people disdaining Muhammad's depiction, on the other side you have people slobberig over such pictures. And you have people in the middle that basically don't care that much to start wars for it. --Abdull 14:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Wow. Can someone say IRONY?Raymondluxuryacht 19:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muhammad image removed by Commedy Central? 

message: The leadup to the Kyle and Cartman fight reminded me alot of the Matrix and Matrix Revolutions fight between Neo and Agent Smith.--The dez 07:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Julie, the woman in the network control center, resembles Glenn Close in Air Force One, doesn't she? --Bahati 11:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to this page to say just that. I don't know about Star Trek, but what I got from that entire scene was a parody of Air Force One. I think it should be in the article. Mac OS X 08:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The manatees resemble the dolphin in Johnny Mnemonic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.171.93 (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing cultural reference 

message: All the news sources in the External Links section link to the same story- the Associated Press story- just reprinted on different sites and given different headlines. Do we really need three links to the same story?Raymondluxuryacht 00:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had put the 3 story links in. Noticed today that the AP story link that was put in instead (linked to www.newsvine.com) was dead and replaced it with the CNN link instead, that's likely to be more stable --Vivek 14:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: CNN link is now dead.  Can we get that article anywhere else?  Hewn 10:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The old newsvine version works, so I'll put that one back. --KGF0 ( T | C ) 10:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  News story links 

message: In the scene where Bush is describing the so-called First Amendment with the reporters, two reporters are noticeably wearing name tags while the others aren't. One says "TCO" and the other is "LSX". What is this a reference to?Cory Kohn 03:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Tags on Reporters 

message: There are two references that people made that this scenen is a parody of:
"The "Pull the episode" scene is also reminiscent of the FOX drama 24, and, particularly, the fifth season. Early on in the season, as in this scene, characters would constantly argue over critical decisions that were ultimately up to the President's call, and both Rupert Murdoch and President Charles Logan (early on in the season) were characterized as being highly indecisive figures that couldn't pull the trigger on anything that could have a major impact."
and
"The scene that shows the Fox president deciding whether or not to pull episode is a parody of a scene from Air Force One with Harrison Ford."
Although there are similarities, I don't think it's a parody of "Air Force One", I think it's just a parody of 24 and maybe an amalgamation of scenes like it. Any thoughts?
:Maybe it had nothing to do with 24, but was just the original thinking the makes pride themselves in in this very episode. 84.139.4.74 13:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, if that "Pull one episode, kill whole series"-part was a parody of anything, then it is about the removal of South Park's own episode "Trapped in the Closet" from syndication. 84.139.4.74 13:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pull the Episode parody

message: It is worth noting that, over the holidays, when asked if a future Jewish President should be expected to send Christmas cards (as opposed to the "Happy Holidays" cards that President Bush sent this year), Mr. Donahue said "absolutely". 
Just wanted to share that. Chesty95 03:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: William Donahue 

message: Just something I'm curious about. Trey and Matt have both mentioned on several occasions that they are big fans of the Simpsons. Does anyone know if Matt Groening has ever publicly expressed any opinions on South Park?Raymondluxuryacht 03:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not aware of Matt Groening making any public comment, but a somewhat loving parody of the show appeared in one episode.  Check this out: .  It's entirely possible it was done in response to the equally loving Simpsons Already Did It episode.  Personallly, it's one of my favourite Simpsons moments, both for Bart mocking Simpsons fans by wondering "how do they keep (South Park) so fresh after 52 episodes?" and one of my all-time favourite lines, "Cartoon violence!  Cartoon violence!".  --L T Dangerous 14:49, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure it's that clear-cut.  There WAS a cliffhanger ending to the Professor Chaos episode, and one of the two story lines of "Simpsons Already Did It" was a continuation from "Professor Chaos."  I think it's as much of a two-parter as any of the others.  Hewn 10:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Park and the Simpsons 

message: 'There may also be a relationship between the terrorists and actor and Celebrity-Scientologist Tom Cruise. Existing rumors point towards Cruise threatening Paramount Studios, the producing company behind Cruise's summer vehicle, Mission: Impossible III, with not doing any publicity for the film if the episode Trapped in the Closet were to air again. Paramount put pressure on Viacom which in turn owns Comedy Central to not air the episode. Thus, it can also be read that the comments about terrorism being fear based are inclusive of Cruise, using Paramount's fear of revenue loss if he were not to publicize the film, to get the episode pulled from airing rotation. Ironically, due to the pulling of "Trapped in the Closet," Mission: Impossible III may not have performed as well at the box office due to angry South Park fans boycotting it.'
Despite the fact that all of this is merely speculation... Why is it here?... it should be, maybe in the Tom Cruise article or the "Trapped in the closet" episode article. Only because this episode is about censorship, doesn't mean this article is about "South Park censored" or something like that. I am not moving or deleting anything, but I think this part doesn't belong here. Also I think the language in that pharagraph is way too rude (by stating that Tom Cruise may be linked to terrorists), at least, for wikipedia standards, so, it should be edited. Dhekranh 01:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this suppossed to be here? 

message: Why do these quotations keep appearing in this article? There's clearly a wikiquote box right next to the section where people are supposed to add quotes. I'm tired of removing these quotes from the main article. What will it take to get people to stop adding them and LOOK at the wikiquote box? Orichalcon 16:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotations 

message: I've removed this line. Even though Tom Cruise may be somewhat crazy, but he certainly isn't a terrorist since he hasn't ever used violence against Paramount. Also, the line fails both WP:OR and WP:V. --TBCTaLk?!? 00:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Cruise a terrorist? 

message: I fail to see how Osama Bin Laden dying and coming back to life is a goof. It happens regularly with characters like Kenny and Saddam Hussein. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.20.124.228 (talk) 12:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Goofs

message: Cite the following;
* Cartman's "Let this be our final battle" line to Kyle at the beginning of their fight is a reference to the live action Masters of the Universe film, in which Skeletor utters the same line to He-Man as they begin their battle during the film's climax.  This line was also spoken by one of the "psychic detectives" in "Cartman's Incredible Gift".
* When about to pull the second Muhammad-including episode of Family Guy, the network president begins to enter his presidential approval code of "Zero, zero, destruct...", which was also the self-destruct sequence to the U.S.S. Enterprise on Star Trek, as used in the episode "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" and the motion picture Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.
* The Fox president's calling a woman named July to cancel the episode is a reference to a similar scene in the movie Air Force One, in which the President (Harrison Ford) calls the Vice President (Glenn Close) with instructions to liberate a Russian prisoner.  July is clearly a reference to Glenn Close's character in that movie.
*This episode is filled with many references to the Fox Network:
* A South Park version of Bart Simpson (voiced by Mona Marshall) appears in this episode donning a red shirt, blue shorts and spiked hair, and carrying a green skateboard.  The character occasionally uses old Bart catchphrases such as "Eat my shorts", and writes, "I hate Family Guy" repeatedly on a wall outside Fox Studios, a reference to his chalkboard gags.  The character is never mentioned by name; Cartman and Kyle only refer to him as "kid" or "that kid".  One minor difference between the two Barts is that the South Park version of Bart writes on the wall with his right hand.  The Simpsons version of Bart writes with his left hand.
* Bart is depicted differently in this episode to the way that South Park depicted him in "Simpsons Already Did It": he looks much more like other South Park child characters, whereas before his design was much closer to how he appears on The Simpsons.  This, however, is probably because "Simpsons Already Did It" showed Bart in his "cartoon" version, whereas this is a "real-life" one.
* When Cartman and Bart are arguing about who is "badder", Bart refers to The Simpsons' episode "The Telltale Head" and Cartman to the South Park episode "Scott Tenorman Must Die" to win the argument.  This scene is similar to a scene in The Simpsons episode "Take My Wife, Sleaze", in which Bart makes fun of child star Jay North for the tameness of his character Dennis the Menace.  Similarly, an exchange between Bart and Cartman — when the latter states that he plans to use fear to convince the Fox executives to pull Family Guy, Bart asks, "Isn't that like terrorism?", and Cartman responds, "It's not like terrorism; it is terrorism" — mirrors a conversation from "The Telltale Head" in which Jimbo, Dolph and Kearney convince Bart to sneak into a movie theater to see a movie for free.  Bart asks, "Isn't that practically stealing?", to which the bullies, laughing, reply, "Practically?  It is stealing!"
* As Cartman enters the Fox TV studio parking lot, a billboard for Family Guy shows the airdate for Family Guy episodes as "Mondays on FOX".  In this episode, however, the new Family Guy installment airs on a Friday.  Both of these are in contrast to the real Family Guy, which airs on Sunday.
* During Cartman and Kyle's fight, they pass a sign for Cold Age: The Smackdown, a parody of FOX's Ice Age: The Meltdown, which was the number-one movie at the box office at the time.  Fox had also taken to placing static advertisements for the movie into their shows.
* When Kyle and Cartman are trying to convince the network president to see their respective point of view, Kiefer Sutherland's real face can be seen on a wall poster for 26, a parody of 24.
* When Cartman and Kyle fight, they crash through the window of the King of the Hill animation studios.  On the wall is a poster which reads "11th season!", a reference to the show's recent unexpected renewal for an eleventh season by FOX. The King of the Hill office is also quiet and calm, perhaps a reference to the show's style and pacing.  Trey Parker and Matt Stone have a friendship with King of the Hill creator Mike Judge, who provided the voice for the unmuffled Kenny in South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut.
* Bart has his classic green 'seventiesesque skateboard, as seen in The Simpsons's long opening sequences and many episodes.
And we can return it to the main article.Alastairward (talk) 12:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural References and OR 

message: Is it possible to obtain a real image of Muhammad as portrayed in this episode? I've seen the face on the Internet, but transplanted into totally unrelated pictures. Note that it is possible to make an image hidden at start. Tezero (talk) 14:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Muhammed didn't appear in the episode. Nightscream (talk) 15:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he did, but the image was censored by Comedy Central, not the show itself. Tezero (talk) 15:26, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If the image you saw was transplanted into a totally unrelated picture, are you sure it came from this episode, and not "Super Best Friends"? Nightscream (talk) 01:44, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

text: The image was "censored" in the UK too, it was a joke best I can see. When I read the above, I thought of Super Best Friends too, where Muhammed is entirely uncensored. Alastairward (talk) 12:07, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muhammad image 

message: last paragraph of the plot
Despite President Bush's observation that the use of Muhammad was not inflammatory, terrorist leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, reminding America that it was warned not to show Muhammad, initiates Al-Qaeda's retaliation - a crudely animated video depicting President Bush, Carson Kressley, Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes and Jesus Christ defecating on each other and the American flag. At the end of the video, al-Zawahiri declares victory over the United States, asserting that the video was "way funnier than Family Guy."
i don't see tom cruise or katie holmes in this scene. ≈Sensorsweep (talk) 03:14, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot  

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