Talk:Roller hockey

message: I have added some links for hockey related terms that may not be obvious (puck, rink etc). Most of these link directly to Ice Hockey related articles (such as rink), but I believe it gives the reader an better understanding than if the links weren't there.
Feel free to edit / comment at will. Joeldixon66 02:31, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say no to this. Rink hockey utalises quad skates and a ball, roller hockey utilises inline skates with a puck. There are other differences between these two sports (the sticks are significantly different) - and both have a seperate set of International Rules (as far as I'm aware). I believe Roller Hockey is basically Ice Hockey on roller skates, but Quad Hockey is a fair bit different. Joeldixon66 03:45, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the explanation. I was not sure and preferred to point out that possible problem.Lvr 12:43, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: In section Hardball hockey it says "...and shouldn't be confused with inline hockey. Hardball hockey is a completely different game with one less player on the floor." but in section Hardball hockey rules says "Two 5 man (4 skaters + 1 goalkeeper)..." and in section International inline roller hockey rules says "...only 5 are allowed on the rink at any time with one being the goalie..." which makes a contradiction because both sports have 5 men teams.
My proposal is to remove "with one less player on the floor" from section Hardball hockey.
Petruza 03:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for editing players quantity issue 

message: Roller Hockey is the Wiki-venue to explain and document two things:
1.Roller Hockey doesn't simply mean Inline Hockey
and also doesn't only mean
2.Rink hockey and Inline Hockey.
 
Roller Hockey DOES mean two variants:
"Hardball Hockey - Hóquei em Patins - Rink hockey", and  Inline Hockey. 
There are two different varients of Roller hockey.
 
"Rink Hockey - Hardball Hockey - Hóquei em Patins", are all the same sport...and then there is another rollersport- Inline Hockey.
Complicating, yes, but clarification isn't ignoring Hardball Hockey and Hóquei em Patins by redirecting those queries to Rink Hockey.
Roller Hockey should explain both varients and respect world culture and namings offering further understanding to the public.
Hardballhock (alternate name and disambiguation)'
:The two sports should have different articles because they are two different sports. Unless you want to join also ice hockey and field hockey, which I don't think so, leave this as it is! --Serte 13:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rink hockey is Hardball Hockey is Hóquei em Patins and should be explained at Roller Hockey

message: There are two different types of roller hockey and the differences can be explained at Roller_hockey. Field hockey and Ice Hockey are described at  Hockey.
Hardball Hockey and Hoquei em Patins are Rink Hockey. All three are Roller Hockey. SO....is inline hockey . The differences should be explained with detail at Roller Hockey- It is important to point out that there is an equal number of folks in the world who call Rink Hockey- ROLLER HOCKEY and one page in WIKI can explain all of this. Hardballhock (alternate name and disambiguation)'
:If there is anumber of folks in the world who call it rink hockey, why not make there a small page with little explaining of the two different sports to disambiguiate and then make the pages of each as most complete as it can about it. I mean, what about the rink hockey template? You can't put it in the roller hockey, because it has nothing to do with the other variant of the game. Why put the two things in the same when they can be separated and everyone can work better at the article of the sport they like? I don't know where you're from, but I'm from Portugal and this is the country with most world titles ever in rink hockey, and there no inline hockey here, there aren't teams or even a championship. There's nothing, just the rink hockey(Hóquei em Patins). Just because you can play both poker and blackjack with a set of cards, it doesn't mean they shouldn't have different articles, because they are different games (sports) with different rules and different equipment...--Serte 18:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: There are two different varients of Roller hockey.

message: ok, but let's take another example. If you go to Europe and say football, you'll get Football (soccer), if you go to America and say football, you'll get American football. If we follow your logic, these two different sports (and all the other football sports) shouldn't have separated articles also, because you have to adopt a world-wide view and every sport with the name of football should be under the article of football and nothing more... I hope this explanation helps... Roller hockey should be a disambiguation page just as football is for every different roller hockey sport there should be more detailed articles. Understand that this roller hockey (inline and rink/hardball) it's just exactly exactly exactly the same as football (american, soccer, rugby, australian and so on...) and if they have separated articles, why shouldn't these sports have when they are different? Just because in some parts of the world they're called the same... Maybe making articles like Roller hockey (rink) and Roller hockey (inline) to add to the roller hockey article would meet your satisfactions, no?--Serte 13:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ...

message: "Rink Hockey - Hardball Hockey - Hóquei em Patins", are all the same sport and are called Roller_hockey. I recognize that Roller Hockey is also a name for Inline style hockey . To help you Football at Wiki explains This article deals with the history and development of the numerous sports around the world known as football and then describes and helps the public get to know the difference.
Roller_hockey could do the same when describing Roller Hockey played on Inline skates and Roller Hockey played on quad skates. The public should know Roller Hockey is two sports -what better place to clarify this than at Roller_hockey. Referring to the sport as Roller Hockey respects every countries personal naming conventions: redirecting Roller_hockey to Rink Hockey or Hardball Hockey or Hóquei em Patins or Inline for that matter indicates to the public that the redirected page or link is specifically the 'real overarching nameHardballhock
:HB, you are not keepinig an open mind on the subject. Inline roller hockey and Rink hockey are not the same, and should thus not be in the same page. Their similarities are basicly the same they have with ice hockey, which you would never think of having in the same page. The article as it is makes no sence. Mariano(t/c) 08:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ...reply

message: After so many replies you still didn't understand that I KNOW rink hockey/hardball and hóquei em patins are the same. I KNOW the different sport is inline, jesus, how didn't you understand that? I don't how else to do more... And try to look on the SAME REPORT YOU GAVE THE LINK FROM, that 1992 olympics and check for a sport called football. And then search for football in wikipedia. Then, you'll see that the IOC football is not the same as the wikipedia football. You'll get the football (soccer) there. Should we change it too? It's the same thing, exactly, the same name for different sports. And I don't see all the football articles in the same article. Also, I've seen stores and even equipment to store hóquei em patins balls with rink hockey written all over it. And it was brought from England, so I guess somebody still calls it rink hockey... (sorry for the caps)--Serte 13:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Geez

message: I understand that a lot of people call this sport rink hockey. The point is not everyone does.
I hear you to say that since Roller Hockey is a name used for inline and quad styles of the sport. I hear you to say Roller_hockey should explain there are two sports and then there should be two dedicated pages that come from that- specifically a page called  inline and a page called rink hockey.
I understand that you see rink hockey as the name for the quad style sport.
I understand you see Roller hockey as the name for the inline style sport.
The entire world does not see the quad style rollersport as Rink Hockey, as you do. 
A large number of players around the world know the sport as Roller Hockey exclusively or as an overarching name for the quad style. Many Championships and the Olympics have referred to the sport as Roller Hockey too. Many countries as I have shown do not see  RinkHockey as the exclusive name of the sport. So no page should indicate that Rink_hockey is the overarching name. Rink_hockey is member to Roller Hockey., as is Hardball Hockey, Patins, Skids, etc.
Also, Since the onset of Inline skates a large number of players who play inline style hockey have used the name Roller Hockey exclusively, but also have a other names to identify their sport.
I agree, Quad style players have used the name Roller Hockey long before Inline players existed, yet the inline style is also well known as Roller Hockey. Inline Hockey has nothing to do with quad style hockey. 
===I  propose the Roller_hockey article should have something like the following parts:===
(When talking about the sport , it will always be referred to as Roller Hockey under the Heading or page. The Heading or page will differentiate and contextualize the two sports)
====Parts====
1. A  clarification of two rollersports that are called Roller Hockey, describing styles and validating both sports who use Roller_hockey as an overarching name.
2. How the two sports are different. This piece could briefly describe the equipment and refer to Governing bodies and how the two sports are unrelated.
3. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Inline skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (inline) 
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks who know this sport. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Inline_hockey because there is another sport called Roller Hockey. 
4. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Quad skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (quad) Not rink hockey
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks like you who know this sport but from a world wide perspective. Pages using other same names, would redirect to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Rink_hockey because Roller_hockey is the overarching name for the (quad) sport with many names and can also mean (Inline). All of the individual sport names from different regions would be member to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey will respect any existing regions naming convention.
5. See also.
6. External Links
------
***IF a page, were used instead of a Heading, the new page would have to share Roller_hockey with either (quad) or (inline) following. A Heading for example #3 could exist at the same time a page could replace Heading #4 for example. But at the page or the Heading, the contributor would freely refer to itself as Roller Hockey when referring to the sport since the Heading or (quad) or (inline) extension to the name would  provide clarification. 
-----
This way each sport still can refer to the sport as Roller Hockey AND the public will learn how the names overlap.  The overarching name would remain Roller Hockey for both sports (quad) or (inline) would make a differentiation without favoring any one country's or world region's naming convention. The differention would be based on the skate equipment, and Wiki will be accurate and provide useful understanding to the public. Any hybrids of the sport would be listed under See also.  
Hardballhock 02:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Geez reply

message: (When talking about the sport , it will always be referred to as Roller Hockey under the Heading or page. The Heading or page will differentiate and contextualize the two sports)
====Parts====
1. A  clarification of two rollersports that are called Roller Hockey, describing styles and validating both sports who use Roller_hockey as an overarching name.
2. How the two sports are different. This piece could briefly describe the equipment and refer to Governing bodies and how the two sports are unrelated.
3. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Inline skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (inline) 
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks who know this sport. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Inline_hockey because there is another sport called Roller Hockey. 
4. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Quad skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (quad) Not rink hockey
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks like you who know this sport but from a world wide perspective. Pages using other same names, would redirect to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Rink_hockey because Roller_hockey is the overarching name for the (quad) sport with many names and can also mean (Inline). All of the individual sport names from different regions would be member to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey will respect any existing regions naming convention.
5. See also.
6. External Links
------
***IF a page, were used instead of a Heading, the new page would have to share Roller_hockey with either (quad) or (inline) following. A Heading for example #3 could exist at the same time a page could replace Heading #4 for example. But at the page or the Heading, the contributor would freely refer to itself as Roller Hockey when referring to the sport since the Heading or (quad) or (inline) extension to the name would  provide clarification. 
-----
This way each sport still can refer to the sport as Roller Hockey AND the public will learn how the names overlap.  The overarching name would remain Roller Hockey for both sports (quad) or (inline) would make a differentiation without favoring any one country's or world region's naming convention. The differention would be based on the skate equipment, and Wiki will be accurate and provide useful understanding to the public. Any hybrids of the sport would be listed under See also.  
Hardballhock 02:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I  propose the Roller_hockey article should have something like the following parts:

message: 1. A  clarification of two rollersports that are called Roller Hockey, describing styles and validating both sports who use Roller_hockey as an overarching name.
2. How the two sports are different. This piece could briefly describe the equipment and refer to Governing bodies and how the two sports are unrelated.
3. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Inline skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (inline) 
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks who know this sport. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Inline_hockey because there is another sport called Roller Hockey. 
4. Heading: Roller Hockey played on Quad skates or this could connect to a different page called Roller_hockey (quad) Not rink hockey
an image to the right of the Heading would be helpful
history
various names
championships
rules
equipment
governing bodies
-The contents of each subheading would be handled by folks like you who know this sport but from a world wide perspective. Pages using other same names, would redirect to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey could not be redirected to Rink_hockey because Roller_hockey is the overarching name for the (quad) sport with many names and can also mean (Inline). All of the individual sport names from different regions would be member to Roller_hockey. Roller_hockey will respect any existing regions naming convention.
5. See also.
6. External Links
------
***IF a page, were used instead of a Heading, the new page would have to share Roller_hockey with either (quad) or (inline) following. A Heading for example #3 could exist at the same time a page could replace Heading #4 for example. But at the page or the Heading, the contributor would freely refer to itself as Roller Hockey when referring to the sport since the Heading or (quad) or (inline) extension to the name would  provide clarification. 
-----
This way each sport still can refer to the sport as Roller Hockey AND the public will learn how the names overlap.  The overarching name would remain Roller Hockey for both sports (quad) or (inline) would make a differentiation without favoring any one country's or world region's naming convention. The differention would be based on the skate equipment, and Wiki will be accurate and provide useful understanding to the public. Any hybrids of the sport would be listed under See also.  
Hardballhock 02:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Parts

message: Just decide on something already ffs. It's a complete mess as it is, with tons of mentions to the different categories of hockey, the same category inconsistently being given different names throught the article, etc. This does NOT look the best way to educate the differences to whoever comes to this article out of pure curiosity without knowledge on the subject.
IMO the best way is: make a separate page for the inline version, a seperate page for the latin version, and this page ("roller hockey") to be only used to explain the name differences in an understandable and concise way (if that is possible), and link to the separate pages. Either way, I think anything is better than the current page. I don't have enough knowledge on the subject, or else I'd try cleaning it on my own already. 
I only just read Hardballhock's proposal, and it's not too far from what I'm saying, seems sensible. "Rink hockey" could redirect to "Roller hockey (quad)" and everything would be settled, I think? Or do any of you have a problem with this names convention? --Noikeee 21:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Complete mess

message: i just added to the rink hockey discussion that the plan proposed is a good start but who and how?
====I tried to bring  clarification====
Take a look at the Roller Hockey layout and the pages connected to it.  How can this be improved. The point was to  clarify and respect the naming conventions- using Roller Hockey as the overarching name (Quad) (Inline).--Hardballhock 20:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: For what it is worth

message: Take a look at the Roller Hockey layout and the pages connected to it.  How can this be improved. The point was to  clarify and respect the naming conventions- using Roller Hockey as the overarching name (Quad) (Inline).--Hardballhock 20:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I tried to bring  clarification

message: The article makes sense without declaring any name as absolute, since there doesn't appear (at this time) to be an absolute name for this new and ever changing Roller Hockey (inline) sport-(note new officail rules again this year). The article helps to educate, and leaves room for every region's naming convention. The part of the Wiki article that refers to Roller Hockey (Inline) redirects to and respects  the Inline hockey naming convention- "Inline" is listed as one of the chief names with it's accompanying wiki-link in the article. 
If the sport truly needs, or is about to declare only one name, then that is the job of Governing bodies and their members and community-not Wiki. I understand FIRS now calls the sport Inline Hockey on their site, but referred to the sport at the 2006 World Champion USA Men Inline Roller Hockey - Detroit USA, as Inline Roller Hockey a hybrid of both names. USA hockey who refers to the sport as Inline on their site, also calls the sport a hybrid of both in this document as  Roller In-Line Hockey - but they are not the only perspectives to consider except they clearly indicate they are officially trying to resolve thier naming conventions as well. It is also important to note, generally speaking, only competitive level roller hockey is strictly bound by governing body's rules and naming.
Other folks believe as passionately as you that the sport is not called Inline Hockey. So, while I am not an expert in this sport, here are examples of folks who play the same sport you do and would disagree with the sole name, Inline Hockey at this time:
NARCH North American Roller Hockey Championships.
 
Roller Hockey -respect the game, respect the player
TORHS Tournament of Roller Hockey Series
Penn State Roller Hockey Club
Sports Unlimited Fan Equipment
Bizrate Roller & Ice Hockey Equipment
Tri Valley Roller Hockey League
Bloomsburg University Roller Hockey
National Collegiate Roller Hockey Association 
CCM -Roller hockey skates
RBK -Roller hockey skates
Mission Roller Hockey Equipment
Hockey Giant The Top Retailer for Ice Hockey and Roller Hockey Equipment
Street Hockey Shop
Inline Warehouse -Roller Hockey skates
A great inline/roller hockey explanation
The Official NHL shop
I absolutely understand that the sport is beginning to take on the emerging identity: Inline Hockey, and perhaps you could offer deeper understanding to the public, explaining the sport and its evolving names and rules, but we can't in the meantime ignore it's other well known identity Roller Hockey, played on Inline skates, worldwide- before wiki can declare one name as the name. I have to share in my lifetime I recall a time Roller Hockey was a different sport entirely-played on quad skates.
--Hardballhock 03:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inline Hockey is called Inline Hockey REPLY

message: The time has come to merge these two articles. They may once have been semantically different, but now the dominate phrase "roller hockey" refers to "inline hockey" (now a dead term) as well. To stress this point, please note that Major League Roller Hockey plays what used to be referred to as "inline hockey". Dolovis (talk) 19:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Roller Hockey page is a parent article (like a disambig) for all roller hockey sports. If you read further down the article it also encompases Quad Hockey etc which is also called Roller hockey in some parts of the world. This page is a written in summary style and the main pages are the subpages you wish to merge here. This pages acts much in the same way as hockey does which summarizes ice hockey, field hockey etc. -DJSasso (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

text: I would also note that its still called InLine hockey hockey at the World Championships such as 2010 IIHF InLine Hockey World Championship. -DJSasso (talk) 19:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is not a concern because, after the merge, "Inline hockey" would redirect to "Roller hockey". Are you arguing for or against a merge? Dolovis (talk) 17:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Against, because as I mentioned there are multiple forms of roller hockey. This page is a summary page of a couple of those types with the more detailed information being split out to their own articles. Its a common technique on here such as the hockey page for example. It follows along with wikipedia is not paper, so having them split out makes it likely that eventually more information will be added and the articles can grow better than trying to stick it all on a single page. -DJSasso (talk) 00:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree with your logic. Two articles about the same sport creates confusion, and the articles are not yet large enough to support a "summary page" (as you called it). I am betting that editors will be more likely to jump in to help improve the article if they have certainty that their editing efforts will not be lost when the two articles are merged. Dolovis (talk) 17:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But they are not the same sport. Roller Hockey refers to a group of sports. Yes, in North America inline hockey has become more frequently known as roller hockey, but that isn't the case world wide. But its no different than where hockey refers to a group of sports, and in North America we tend to use hockey to mean ice hockey, but that isn't the case world wide. As such we us the "group name" (for lack of a better term) as a summary of all the sports that fall under it. And the more specific name to refer to an article specifically about that sport. Generally the move is towards splitting articles out rather than merging. Merges tend to only happen when its likely nothing more can be added to a topic. I don't really see this as the case for this topic. -DJSasso (talk) 17:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  @ Dolovis.- please visit world inline hockey www.worldinlinehockey.org or american inline league www.aihlhockey.com - you will be hard pressed to find "roller hockey" on the page; then you might want  to read previous discussions and follow early links provided on this discussion topic over the years (prior to your reccomendation to merge these pages together and talk about it somemore)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.24.152 (talk) 00:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also oppose the merge, Roller hockey is an umbrella term for all hockey on skates with wheels. To merge inline hockey into this article would wouldnt make sense. Also the inline hockey article is to large to put into this article, better just to leave it as it is with a brief summary for the inline hockey section. Salavat (talk) 06:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the best experience for the reader would be having Roller Hockey as a page that explains Hockey played using Human Powered Vehicles and that there are two professional league accredited versions of the game. Personally... I would love to see the choice to use quads versus Inlines left to the Pro's... Just mix it all up and let the chips fall where they may... but thats me! Geosak (talk) 16:35, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge [[Inline hockey]] into [[Roller hockey]] (discuss)

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Roller hockey. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100308060219/http://www.mundook.net/ to http://www.mundook.net/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 02:30, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified