Talk:Religious views of Adolf Hitler

message: There are large sections of this article that are derived from Hitler's Table Talks, but it has been challenged as an unreliable source (both the translations and the original German version) so should it even feature to begin with let alone without a mitigating statement discussing it's possible unreliability? Will Tyson for real (talk) 02:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Most scholars have regarded Hitler's Table Talk as authentic. Challenges by Carrier and other like-minded scholars are already mentioned in the article (though they are problems with their methodologies as pointed out by some of the scholars who affirm its authenticity, which haven't been mentioned in the article). If some sort of discussion is needed to be made, it's the rebuttal to the argument that Hitler's Table Talk is fraudulent, as proposed by Carrier, among others. Msiehta (talk) 02:26, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

text: You should try actually reading some of the things you posted. Hitler Redux for example:
"The table talks are full of ...statements – and they are CORRABORATED by other independent sources.."  - Page 64
"The evidence suggests, beyond any reasonable doubt, that [Heinrich] Heim’s proof pages are genuine." - Page 194
"They are both [Heinrich Heim's Monologe & Henry Picker's Tischgespräche] based on real utterances by Hitler." - Page 200
"[Henry] Picker had told Quick(German magazine) that [Gerhard] Engel and [Karl-Heinrich] Bodenschatz(Göring’s liaison officer by Hitler) , as partakers at the dinners in the FHQ, had testified to their authenticity. In addition, it had been concluded that “new finds in the United States and Switzerland” proved “that the documents are authentic.” The latter must have referred to [Heinrich] Heim’s proof pages, found by Mau in July, and to [François] Genoud’s manuscript, which had been brought to the IfZ’s attention since the publication of Tischgespräche. This conclusion was of course ... valid in so far as it related to the documents themselves." - Page 76
"However, and this is very important, the results presented in this book should absolutely not be interpreted as meaning that the table talks are not authentic. They really are, at least for the most part, memoranda of statements that Hitler made at some point or another in his wartime HQs." - Page 388
Source: Hitler Redux: The Incredible History of Hitler’s So-Called Table Talks by Mikael Nilsson
Also Carrier 
".[Mikael] Nilsson found that what German versions we actually have any published edition of now are AUTHENTIC there really were notes taken down in Hitler's bunker of things he was remembered to have said, by people who were there"
--Richard Carrier
 Ithinkusergoeshere (talk) 05:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitlers Table Talks 

message: *“Although he himself [Hitler] was a Catholic, he wished the Protestant Church to have a stronger position in Germany, ...”, Hermann Göring.
Sources:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Trial_of_the_Major_War_Criminals_Before/epEIAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Although+he+himself+was+a+Catholic,+he+wished+the+Protestant+Church+to+have+a+stronger+position+in+Germany,&dq=Although+he+himself+was+a+Catholic,+he+wished+the+Protestant+Church+to+have+a+stronger+position+in+Germany,&printsec=frontcover
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Trial_of_German_Major_War_Criminals/mwBnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Although+he+himself+was+a+Catholic,+he+wished+the+Protestant+Church+to+have+a+stronger+position+in+Germany,&dq=Although+he+himself+was+a+Catholic,+he+wished+the+Protestant+Church+to+have+a+stronger+position+in+Germany,&printsec=frontcover
*Rudolf Hess claimed Hitler was "religious, a good Catholic”.
Sources:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Demon_of_Geopolitics/InSOCwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=is+religious,+a+good+Catholic.+rudolf+hess&pg=PA77&printsec=frontcover 2601:982:8202:CDA0:492A:6125:5D1D:9AD (talk) 13:54, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content for section, "Hitler's contemporaries on his religious beliefs" 

message: He who has some German may read that whimsical story from Corona times  --Hellsepp (talk) 21:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler and Himmler 

message: Section #1 Historiography includes "Yet, these authors seem to have missed the fact that Hitler was in fact excommunicated, along with all other Nazi leaders, in 1931.[60]" with Scholder, Klaus, The Churches and the Third Reich. 2 vols. Fortress Press, 1988 pp. 150–162 cited. On p.150 of vol.1 (which covers 1918-January 1934) I see "As early as the November of this fateful year, the Bavarian envoy could report confidentially that the decision of the Mainz diocesan authorities to excommunicate members of the NSDAP would not be approved in the Vatican." https://archive.org/details/churchesthirdrei0001scho/page/150/mode/2up?q=excommunicate. I don't see anything in the following pages indicating the Vatican approved excommunication later.  Pages 150-62 of vol.2 which covers December 1933-October 1934 https://archive.org/details/churchesthirdrei0002scho/page/n7/mode/2up don't refer to excomunication.
The lede includes "Even though Nazi leadership was excommunicated from the Catholic Church,[35]" the reference being to a  Google Books preview of Behind Barbed Wire by Deborah G. Lindsay. Page 157 includes "In 1931, however, a Vatican edict banned Catholics from Party membership and excommunicated all members within the Nazi leadership.959" but since the preview doesn't include the notes I'm unable to see what 959 is and check basis for that statement. 
If excommunication is certain perhaps the citations could be made more exact. Mcljlm (talk) 14:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excommunication