Talk:Arthur Rose Eldred

message: Go to http://www.eaglescout.org/history/first_eagle.html to see a color picture of his merit badge sash. (please don't remove this note) Rlevse 11:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eldred's sash

message: Wikipedia received a note explaining there are currently three descendents in Scouts; her two nephews and her son. I've updated the article, and added a note to the footnote, and encouraged Ms. Eldred to place a confirmation on this talk page as well (the OTRS link is not accessible to all for verification due to privacy policy.) - Amgine 18:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note from Nina Rose Eldred 

message: Large chunks of this article seem to have been copied from EagleScout.org and from the Eldred chapter of NESA.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll work on it. Rlevse 16:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Click on medal photo and read I got permission from Eaglescout.org in Jan 2006  How should I work this into the article?Rlevse 16:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Take a look at :Wikipedia:Contributing_FAQ. -Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I just did, also I found this at: legal ? "We will not post copyrighted material without permission from the author to release it freely to the public." Plus they gave me specific perm in Jan on Eldred and his photos, with family permission too.  Suggestions on proceding? Rlevse 16:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: As best I see it, if we directly copy text, then it must be either public domain or GFDL.  Probably the best way is to redo the article.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They're saying it is public domain.Rlevse 17:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Problems

message: The Good Article nomination for this article has failed for the following reasons:
*The article could use some copyediting. (worked it)
*A lot of Scouting medals and processes are mentioned, but with no context.  For instance, what are Star and Life badges, and how are they earned?  For that matter, what is the "merit badge system"?  What exactly is a Board of Review and what do they do?  These things might be obvious to someone with Scouting experience, but someone who isn't familiar with Scouting might be confused.  A ton of detail isn't required, but enough to provide context and show why those things are mentioned in the article. (fixed)
*Is there no information on his death?  A full date?  A cause? (got date, colon cancer)
*The Education and career section is completely lacking in cited references. (fixed)
*Did he see any action during WWI? (uncertain) That info would be good to include.  Also, when did he enlist and when did he serve? (fixed)
*Many times in the article, Eldred is referred to by his first name.  This is not good encyclopedic form. (fixed)
These are the items that stand out on first review.  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 17:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article nomination failed

message: Here is a photo . --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: COOL. I'll make it an external link unless we get permission to use it. Rlevse 12:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SC-244 

message: The BOR award date does not seem correct.  If he got the letter from West on 21 August 1912, why mention the design issue when he was awarded Eagle only three weeks later?  In the Boardman letter, Eldred states that he was awarded Eagle in April 1912.  From what I know of West and his zeal to promote the BSA and himself, he would not have waited until August to notify Eldred.  Is it possible that the West letter was actually from April instead of August?  If so, then the delay caused by the design issue would certainly be mentioned by West.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah.  It would be nice to have a copy of the letter.  I don't believe they had "instant recognition" back then.  As I recall, boards of review and courts of honor were done at the district or council level.   --Gadget850 ( Ed) 04:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where I was in the late 1960s, we had district COHs, where we moved in the early 1970s, we had troop COHs. Rlevse 10:52, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The Improved Scouting Program in 1972 introduced instant recognition and would have done away with any remants of the older methods. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Board of Review date 

message: Today I passed this article as GA, because it provides all the basics of a good article (and complies with the formal requirements of course). For future development, the article could do with more body, especially on its non-Scouting content. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article 

message: Permission to fully release the 1912 photo of Arthur and the 1944 photo of Arthur and his son under GFDL was obtained from his son on April 14, 2007 and necessary info submitted to OTRS. Rlevse 22:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the two image's talk pages for the actual OTRS permissions, which were made April 15, 2007.Rlevse 09:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: OTRS submission

message: This topic didn't quite make it in terms of importance.  Version 0.7 is limited to only the top 1% or so of topics.  Walkerma (talk) 02:59, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Version 0.7

message: This article contains several citations to sources that do not comply with Wikipedia standards. The interview notes are self-published original research, the "Great Family Traditions of Eagles" is also self-published and researched, and the private correspondence is an unpublished primary source, and in the case of the letter to the editor, it is also original research. None of this material is published in the conventional sense of the word. Unless anyone has an objection, I'll remove citations 3, 6-11, and 14-16, as they are in today's version. The information isn't controversial so it needn't be removed unless it's questioned.     Will Beback  talk   08:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no response, I've gone ahead and removed the non-compliant citations.   Will Beback  talk   02:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: Substituted at 08:21, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: There has long been confusion over the dates of Eldred's Board of Review, announcement, and ceremony. It is explained at length with newly found documents in the June 2017 issue of International Scouting Collectors Association Journal, pages 10-13.   PumpkinSky talk 01:27, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date Confusion 

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