Talk:Wayne Barnes

message: Paddy told NZ to grow up, not that it wasn't the ref's fault.  He's the head ref for the RWC, and he admitted that Wayne made some mistakes and didn't choose him for future games.  Surely this is more relevant than what is currently on the Wikipedia page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.80.123.40 (talk) 00:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Page protection is not an endorsement of the current version of the page. It was merely the last, non-vandalized version of the page. Evil Monkey - Hello 01:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Please watch the TV interview again and read the referenced article again, Paddy O'Brien said that the loss could not be blamed on refereeing. Khukri 07:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paddy O'Brien misinformation 

message: The link to Paddy O'Brien on this page must I think refer to a different Paddy O'Brien as it doesn't sound like The NZ guy who is head of the IRB's ref panel at the moment. Is it possible to do a disambiguation page?
EnnaVic 20:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Edited while fully protected -- I've changed this link to from Paddy O'Brien --> Paddy O'Brien (referee), as there does not appear to be an article on him yet. Evil Monkey - Hello 20:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

text: That even mentions this article, and the fact it's been vandalised. - Shudde talk 22:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

text: As I said above, I would recommend waiting a couple of days (or even better a week) before unprotecting this article. Emotions are too raw and the article will be a mecca for people wanting to vent frustrations. The loss is still very much in the forefront of news coverage in New Zealand. And definitely will be tomorrow when most of the team arrive back in New Zealand. And the article may start suffering from recentism -- giving undue weight to one event that has had a lot recent media coverage. Evil Monkey - Hello 23:11, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have this page in my watchlist it appeared on wikirage. When the block gets put down to semi there will be enough of us to hopefully keep it from getting too out of hand. Khukri 07:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paddy O'Brien link 

message: For all those people wanting to make edits -- the article is currently semi-protected (and has been for several hours without a single edit). Evil Monkey - Hello 23:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article is now semiprotected 

message: lol, editing wikipedia is now....  "HACKING"!! oh my! ref Mathmo Talk 05:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is referring to the article being locked and still edited123.255.55.27 09:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was unlocked shortly afterwards. Khukri 09:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hacking" 

message: Okay it probably deserves mentioning, but I have a few problems with how it is worded.
"Barnes received death threats and considerable hatred in the New Zealand press and on the internet for a number of refereeing decisions in the World Cup quarter final that were cited as a reason why New Zealand eventually lost."
I actually think that receiving death threats from anonymous internet users is not that notable. Basically we got a bunch of idiots starting up a bebo profile titled "Kill Wayne Barnes". There's a kill Obama facebook page , but we wouldn't mention it on his page. However, it has been mentioned by the IRB referees manager so there may be a case to include it in some form. If it is kept it needs to be clarified a lot better. I would add "personal abuse" and the fact that it was from the internet to match the source better. It should probably just say it is a Bebo profile. There is a big difference between someone walking up to him on the street and threatening to kill and a faceless angry person on the internet. Considerable hatred has to go though. The source cited even mentions that "the messages range from violent threats to the more light hearted". Violent threats don't get much bigger than death threats. Nowhere does the source say in the New Zealand press either. As it reads, it sounds like the New Zealand press is making the death threats, which needs a much-much better source (it does not even support considerable hatred from the New Zealand press). AIRcorn (talk) 08:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Rewrote to match sources better. AIRcorn (talk) 13:50, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is over simplifying it to lay it on just the bebo site and could be expanded a wee bit, as I remember his performance was even brought up at government level 1, 2, 3 to even still gaining press time 4 years later. Though I think we agree Wayne Barnes is not just the sum of a forward pass as some would like to make him. Cheers Khukri 14:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I used bebo as it was the one named in the source and the death threats are obvious. I will add "other chatrooms and message boards" per one of your above sources. The Helen Clark bit is notable enough to mention IMO too. Not keen on adding the media angle however. Unfortunately reporters writing editorials criticising referees is part of the course in sports write ups. The IRBs response seem to be to the death threats, not the media criticisms. I would also be wary of making this section too long. It is one match (usually boiled down to a single decision) in a career that is likely to last a long time. AIRcorn (talk) 00:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nicely done. Now just keep it watch listed anytime WB refs a tri nations or international this article starts getting 'attention'. Cheers Khukri 08:40, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I have been cleaning up a few ref articles in preparation for the World Cup. Someone had gone to the effort of listing every mistake Kaplan had ever made, but otherwise they weren't too bad. AIRcorn (talk) 11:42, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Cup Sentence 

message: Wayne Barnes is certainly still practicing law. 
http://fulcrumchambers.com/waynebarnes.html
The link that suggested he had given up his law degree is dead. I don't believe he ever did but I can't find a source either way. Sue De Nimes (talk) 15:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Law Career 

message: During the South Africa vs Wales game on the 11th of September, his controversial call about the Welsh Fullback James Hook's penalty (15 min), ultimately cost Wales 3 points in a game where they ended up losing by 1!    
Loopygirl11 (talk) 20:18, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Loopygirl11, 11 September 2011 

message: Source: http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/rugby-world-cup-2011/south-africa-defeat-wales-17-16-in-rugby-world-cup-2011-thriller-in-wellington/story-e6frf4zl-1226134273382
"But the fullback could feel hard done by after a first-half penalty was waved away by the touch judges after it appeared to sneak inside the posts."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psykrow (talk • contribs) 21:50, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The source does not even mention Barnes. Anyway for an incorrect (or perceived incorrect) decision to merit inclusion here it needs to have more of an effect than a brief sentence in a match report. AIRcorn (talk) 03:03, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Maybe. But he is miked up to two assistants (themselves international referees) who were in the best position to see if the kick went over. If they were confident that the ball didn't go over then there is no reason to go upstairs. Might pay to wait and see who else comments on this. Opinion pieces by New Zealand journos are not the best source of information for Barnes. If the IRB gets involved or the Wales team or management make an official complaint then there could be merit in including it. AIRcorn (talk) 23:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Psykrow, 12 September 2011 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Can we discuss this here instead of edit warring please. It appears far too WP:undue to me. It definitely does not deserve its own header. If anything a short mention as a note at the relevant game in the 2017 Six Nations Championship article could be justified. The cited article contains no actual criticism of Barnes and is instead focused on the match itself. AIRcorn (talk) 01:28, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I've fallen into the trap of not really reading the sources provided. I do think it warrants mentioning here, though, but like you say, perhaps not in its own section. – PeeJay 07:42, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Criticism of referees in not unusual, and is not in itself notable unless a citation can be found to demonstrate that a an error was actually made. If no citation exists then the criticism is unfounded and does not belong anywhere on Wikipedia. Obscurasky (talk) 10:20, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  France vs Wales controversy 

message: I-will-correct-it (talk) 22:17, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 23:20, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2022 

message: This page should not be protected, since information is not correct I-will-correct-it (talk) 22:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Page protection requests can be made here WP:RFPP - FlightTime (open channel) 23:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternatively, you can provide the proposed change(s) and the reliable secondary sources that back them up. If they're policy compliant I (or another editor) can add them to the article for you - please make sure to use specific proposed text and where you'd like to add them. Nosebagbear (talk) 20:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Protection