Talk:Billie Joe Armstrong/Archive 1

message: is the mug shot absolutely necessary? I'm not really sure myself, but I'd like to know what other people think about it.--Alhutch 21:52, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  mug shot 

message: Billie Joe was born in Oakland, NOT Rodeo. This was even stated by his own mother on their Driven special. Lastly, whoever changed it back to Rodeo didn't bother to proofread (I'm not naming names...): "Armstrong was the youngest of six kids born in Rodeo and later raised in Rodeo, California". Also check here and it gives his county of birth as Alameda (Rodeo, CA is in Contra Costa). --Fallout boy 09:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthplace

message: Well, I don't care what Billie Joe is. He is a great guy and a true musician. I think that it doesn't matter what he is. He is just a good person. 
the article (1) says nothing about Billie being bisexual! it implicitly states he has nothing against it, but at the same time he did not engage in any ... erm ... you know, with a guy.
so I wanna remove Billie from the famous gay people list. what do you say? -unsigned
:Maybe you missed it since it's the last line of the article and vandals keep taking it out.  The last line says that he has said that he considers himself to be bisexual.  So the category of bisexual people fits, if you ask me.  Dismas|(talk) 07:23, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he is bisexual, not homosexual. Please read the text properly before you address an issue. --Hollow Wilerding 21:28, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Except, he says he's bi and he's bi in his head which means he thinks guys are hot and he says it's been an issue for him, deciding. He's said it on MTV, VH1, in rock magazines as well as the Advocate. He's a bisexual because he says he is. I think he would know, even if he has never done anything with a guy, I see no reason not to believe him. Zythe 14:58, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billie Joe's Sexuality 

message: This was in the article, but I'm 99% sure it's not true. 24.141.147.6 07:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, woopteedo, anonymous. I guess it shouldn't be included if you don't think it's true. Let's just forget about the external links as references to the article. By the way, there are already two headings for his religion on this talk page; use one of those instead of starting a new discussion. ~ Hibana 05:09, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You do realize that none of the external links mention this, that the discussion about religion up above wonders if he is Catholic or something similar, and that this bit of info was added a couple of days ago, also by an anonymous user? 24.141.147.6 06:02, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hibana, please read Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:05, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "He is also of Jewish descent"

message: Bj has been in heaps of bands such as 
-sweet children
-pinhead gunpowder
-Blatz
-Rancid
-Goodbye harry
-the corrupted morals
is there any more that he has been in?
billie joe was not in the band "the lookouts" that was trè before he went into green day. soon after trè became a drummer for green day, the lookouts became a record lable, i think...
Hes in a new wave band called the Network, they're a great band, check em' out and he has played bass live with the influents.
actually, no one knows if the members of Green Day are in the band the Network. 
it seems like it, but they keep denying it. just though you might want to know that.
--Greendayrox 20:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bands BJ has been in

message: You guys, it really doesn't matter what religion, sexuality, etc. etc., he is.  He's a great musician and an interesting guy, but we don't need to psychoanalyze his personal life.  So instead of doing long complex posts about it (and getting way too excited), why don't you just leave him alone and do something more productive with your time.
*Precisely.  Aren't there fansites for obsessing about that kind of thing?  Christy747 19:06, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Care to give us an example? His quote regarding his sexual preference is not inappropriate at all, as it is information about Billie Joe himself. Your own opinions guiding you to removing that section, however, is biased. Kareeser|Talk! 23:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

text: You do bring up a good point about the Trivia. I, actually, am the person who created the trivia section in the first place, since there was a rather random fact that was stuck in the middle of the paragraph. It has grown since then, but I suppose some of it mught just be fan information. Kareeser|Talk! 16:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I suppose you have proven your point. You may be bold and update the page to your liking. I can't speak for others, though, so make sure you leave a good edit summary. Kareeser|Talk! 05:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure thing. If you're planning on removing an entire section, make sure you can explain it well. If it's too long an explanation, don't hesitate to say "See talk page for more details". If somebody disagrees, they can easily leave a message on the talk page, and discussion can continue there. Also remember to keep your cool. If somebody reverts your section deletion, don't act rashly and revert back to your version or start an edit war. Don't violate the three-revert-rule, and you'll be fine. But hey, it's not all rules and regulations. One of the five pillars of Wikipedia state that: Wikipedia doesn't have firm rules. Happy editing! Kareeser|Talk! 18:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leave Him Alone 

message: Can we update and/or add a picture of him with his new blond hair?  I know Green Day Authority and Green Day dot net have some very new pictures.
Starla Dear 17:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, we can't simply steal pictures off of other websites, as they are most likely copyrighted. If we had permissions, or if we took the pictures ourselves, then that may be done. Kareeser|Talk! 17:49, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if those are copyrighted or not. Starla Dear 23:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you could upload an image to Wikipedia and place it here on the talk page before considering inclusion in the actual article? —Eternal Equinox | talk 03:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good, but uploading images really isn't my line of expertise.  Sorry.  Can someone else do it? Starla Dear 17:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  I've uploaded a picture, its from GreenDayAuthority.com. From what I can tell, they don't hold a copyright on the image...But I'm not entirely sure if anyone else does. Well, anyway, here it is: Let the discussion begin ;]
Acidophilisation 00:14, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't say it's my favorite picture of Billie Joe (I'm not particularily fond of the color change--it's his hair, though), but I think it would serve its purpose nicely.  Starla Dear 01:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the picture. Looks good =) Kareeser|Talk! 14:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And my whole point in wanted a new one was BECAUSE he had changed to blond...I guess he's a little fast for us...Starla Dear 23:49, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Whoa!  Heck yes, she doesn't.  Yeah, and since it's Billie Joe we're talking about, it'd be pretty difficult to change it every time he changed his hair color/got a hair cut/didn't shave/etc.  Also, the last one was from, what, 2004? Starla Dear
At polish Wikipedia we don't have any photos with Green Day, only this:
Beacuse we can't use 'fair use' graphics, so plWiki is good, beacuse it has good articles not good graphics. We're happy of pfotos done ourselves.
Mataga 07:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Why was the picture changed again?  Is it just me or did I miss something... I thought we were going to keep the Billie Joe Blonde.Starla Dear 18:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The image :Image:Billiejoeblonde.jpg seems to have been deleted... and the current picture also doesn't have any source information, so it'll be deleted soon as well... Kareeser|Talk! 15:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: P.S. The deletion log info is here
Without the photo... Mhm... That's interesting.
--Mataga 14:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hair Color 

message: I removed the following info:
Billie Joe Armstrong hertiage accoding to him from blender issue june 2006 page 98
His father was italian and english decent and his mother is scotish, dutch, Irish , way back in the his mother side also Cherokee indians.
As it is poorly written. As I do not have the time now, could somebody volunteer their time and rewrite this into the introductory or biography paragraph? Thanks, Kareeser|Talk! 15:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Starla Dear 17:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Fan Info 

message: This talk page is meant for consensus, and information regarding the hopeful improvement of the Billie Joe Armstrong article. The fact that many fans are leaving comments that aren't relevant to the discussion (and are potentionally insulting) does not offer anything positive or worthwhile to the article. That is why I am wondering if we have the okay to go ahead and revert fan trash that is wasting disk space and valuable time, and effort to we can get on with the things needed to be addressed efficiently. I would greatly be appreciative if someone would offer me a specific reply on this. Thank you. Эйрон Кинни (t) 08:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of it isn't worth reading, nor is it worth archiving. Go ahead, I won't object. Kareeser|Talk! 18:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, please do! I wonder, too, given the frequency of anon vandalism, whether we can partially lock this page? Thoughts? Joel Bastedo 22:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please delete the homophobic drivel that it currently cluttering up the page and adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. Dev920 17:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  The sexuality section... I couldn't even figure out who was saying what.  I tried to clear some stuff up, but I couldn't.  If someone else could, that would be great.  I cleaned out some of the other sections.--Jude 22:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Commencing Cleanup, if anyone objects, please let me know and revert it.--Jude 05:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan comments 

message: The Dreamland film Billie Joe apparently did did not have an article on Wikipedia, the link leads to a disambig page Does it exist? Dev920 17:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dreamland. 

message: Is it maybe time to create an archive?--Jude 06:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive? 

message: Why did he go to two different high schools?--Kingforaday1620 23:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that's a really good question, thanks for contributing.  I don't have any resources to hand you, but the way I seem to remember it is he just switched because he wanted to, but I'm willing to bet his mother thought it might help him to improve his academic performance.  It is fact, however, that he did not get kicked out of either school.  He cleared that up in the question and answer on the Idiot Club.--Jude 01:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least at the time, Pinole Valley was a better school than John Swett.Theplanetsaturn 02:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two 

message: The "tradition" of kissing a man at "every" concert is clearly a violation of the "always" and "never" rule of common sense.  He hasn't kissed a guy at every concert he's ever done.  He has kissed a guy at several concerts, however.  I'm rewording this statement and I'm working on providing video and photo evidence, because it is true that he has kissed men at concerts, however not "every" one of them.--Jude 14:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reworded the content and cited four sources.  The photos were uploaded to tinypic.com and the youtube video was the first content in the search for "Billie Joe kissing."  I'm not so sure how kosher that last link is, but I found it pretty funny lol.  Oh and just in case none of my sources are kept, there's an amazon review here that includes a synopsis of Riding in Vans with Boys--Jude 14:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tradition" of kissing? 

message: Is he sober or still drinking and doing drugs?--Kingforaday1620 22:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would venture a guess and say that he still drinks.  In an interview with Q magazine back in May 2005, he stated that alcohol agreed with him very well, but that coke and speed were not drugs he would ever do again.--Jude 08:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  drinking 

message: I don't think that using the IMDb "biography" link is a credible source for information.  It's used in the trivia section about "Jason Mewes" and while it might be completely true, it's like linking another wikipedia article as a source.  The Biographies on IMDb can be edited by users.
For example, the biography says: "Billie Joe formed a very strong relationship with his father, who, at the age of ten, gave him his very first electric guitar - blue - which he still uses to this day, imaginatively named thus because of its pale blue colour."  Which we know isn't true.  His mother bought him the guitar when he was 11, after his father passed away, as said in the Q&A on the Idiot Club.--Jude 08:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMDb 

message: There is an article titled Adriana Mercury containing many false claims about a person who is purported to be Billie Joe's identical twin sister. (Yes, I know that isn't true, and that it's not even biologically possible.) If the article is still there when you read this, I would appreciate it if anyone would comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adriana Mercury so we can get rid of the false article. --Metropolitan90 23:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Adriana Mercury]] 

message: A simple discrepancy: How can the guitar "Blue" be given to Armstrong by his father at age eleven when, according to an earlier claim, Armstrong's father died when Billie was ten?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.130.136.56 (talk • contribs) .
:I agree with you.  Billie stated himself that his mother bought him the guitar when he was 11 years old.  I'll edit the info in the article.--Jude 06:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anachronism?

message: Does he wear glasses or contacts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.113.131.124 (talk • contribs) .
:There's no photo proof that he wears glasses.  There is photo proof he doesn't wear contacts, though.  Just check any of the ultra-high resolution images.--Jude 06:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, the colour in that video has been altered to have a very high-coloured look.  Everything is enriched, so his eyes look very green as a result.--Jude 09:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: That's very true, and I'm sorry if you read my reply wrong.  I didn't give a full history of how the colour was enhanced, I just stated that it was.  I could have been more informative, however I didn't see it necessary.  When I said everything was enriched, I meant to the viewers' eyes, not that it had been enriched from its natural colour.  Thank you for your input, because it might have cleared up other misconceptions about my response!--Jude 07:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Because they are THAT green.  You can see in bullet in a bible that he is *not* wearing contacts because of how close Sam Bayer gets to his face with the camera.  His eyes are just that green.--Jude 09:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  glasses 

message: Where the hell has most of this article gone? It used to be so much more detailed. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wtf?