Talk:Social effects of Hurricane Katrina

message: This article should ultimately constitute a continuing record of the social trauma resulting from Hurricane Katrina - both to individuals, and to society as a whole. It is likely that those who suffered the worst of it will have continuing problems recovering from the experience to which they have been subjected. It is also likely that issues deriving from the event will reverberate through society as a whole, and become ingrained in our social conscience, this event being like an environmental Pearl Harbor or September 11. However, it is also possible that the event will simply fade from people's thoughts, much as the Indonesian tsunami appears to have. After all, for those living in New York or California or Iowa, the Gulf Coast may as well be Indonesia. There will also be significant overlap between the social, political, and economic effects, and this should be documented as well. -- BD2412 talk 21:08, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just felt the need to point out the obvious. To say that "However, it is also possible that the event will simply fade from people's thoughts, much as the Indonesian tsunami appears to have." is very short sighted. "Americans" may have forgotten, but "people", roughly 1.5 billion of them remember. Remember that most of victims from this tusnami lacks access to internet or sufficient knowledge in English to contribute to wikipedia. Their experiences are simply undocumented and not widely known. Revth 04:28, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Point taken - I meant to say that it has faded from American people's thoughts. -- BD2412 talk 04:33, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Goal for this article

message: This article does not seem to be a record of the social trauma which, in any case, is difficult to define and could be best addressed on one of the many other pages dealing with the fallout from Katrina.  I see now there are separate articles for Economic effects of Hurricane Katrina and Political effects of Hurricane Katrina.  Further, the statements about the government's response and the media's role reflect a distinct opinion. I think this article should merge into the main Hurricane Katrina article or into one Neutral Point of View article summarizing the social, political, economic, geographic, and other effects of Katrina.
:I don't think it ought to be merged with another article. I appreciate having separate pages for the separate spheres of influence. As for being POV, the article discusses a "perceived" laxity in response - and it seems to me that it's a fact that many "peceive" laxity of response, whether one exists or not. If parts can be rewritten to make them more NPOV, by all means, let's do so. But I do think an article on the disaster's social effects deserves to exist. – Quadell (talk) 17:35, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
I don't think it should be merged either. It'd be nice to see some of the human aspects of this situation (future unemployment, etc) moved from other pages to here. After all, people are what matter most. Haoie 01:36, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unbiased?

message: I recall seeing a quote, I believe from Kathleen Blanco to the effect that normally disasters bring out the best in people, but this one seems to have brought out the worst in people. I can't seem to find it now, but if anyone comes across it, I think it belongs in this article. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 17:48, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blanco (?) quote on bringing out the best/worst 

message: Given their closeness in time and location, it strikes me that it will soon become difficult to separate the respective economic, political, and social effects of Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Rita. How would my fellow editors feel about moving the articles covering these aspects to Economic effects of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, Political effects of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, and Social effects of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season? -- BD2412 talk 00:11, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger of effects. 

message: It seems that a lot of the items in Humanitarian effects of Hurricane Katrina can actually be merged into this article (social effects). Both articles appear to be covering similar topics. Merging would simplify some of the Katrina-related articles, and reduce some of the clutter. Dr. Cash 23:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. — jdorje (talk) 03:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Articles merged. Humanitarian effects of Hurricane Katrina now redirects here and the Katrina template has been revised. The overall article has also been cleaned up a bit, and the references have been fixed and formatted. Dr. Cash 06:32, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Humanitarian & social effects merger

message: I came to this article thinking it would have more than it did on the whole controversy over the evacuees being called "refugees" in early stories. I haven't yet gotten to check out the NPR link given at the end of the article, but I'd like to see the article itself give a line or two more to this issue. I remember as a Texan and as a person with links to "foreigners," being bothered by people's reaction to the word "refugee." People said things like, "These aren't 'refugees,' these are U.S. citizens!" Some people's comments even seemed to imply that calling them refugees would have somehow made it OK to care less about them, or that it would mark them as inferior somehow (or perhaps more helpless?). In retrospect (and seeing what the article does say), there may have been a concern that people would class "refugees" with "those helpless people in other countries that we can't do much about" or also that the term "refugee" (associated in many news stories of the time with those fleeing wars in Africa) was somehow tied to the race of many who were fleeing. It was if people considered it a distancing term, but also as if it were some kind of epithet, the way people reacted. 
In summary, the whole discussion was such a big discussion of semantics and their implications that it deserves a tiny bit more space in the article, if only as a historical record. It's certainly not the biggest social effect of Katrina (and some would argue it distract-s/-ed from "real" issues, when I think one could make a case that it ties to those big issues), but it's worthy of more mention.Lawikitejana 17:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Refugee"/ "evacuee" issue - more? 

message: The following addition (not by me) was removed (again, not by me):
:The displaced Katrina evacuees found work in Houston. Houston branches of United States chains such as Wal-Mart and Home Depot automatically hired displaced employees from Louisiana and other areas who worked for the same companies in Louisiana and other states .   
   
:Some displaced New Orleans chefs and cooks were hired by restaurants in Texas; Reynard LaVigne, a chef who worked at Galatoire's, began working at Palm's in Houston after moving to a rental house in Bellaire; customers and staff at Palm's noticed a cultural change that began after LaVigne began working at Galatoire's. LaVigne's manner of catering to customers and adding a disctinctive flair to his service began attracting customers to Palm's. Suzy Bergner, a Houston socialite, stated "It's getting more like Galatoire's," referring to Palm's . 
The edit summary said that these two paragraphs were removed because "not all evacuees went to Houston." To me, that's not a justification for cutting the whole section, but rather for editing it to be more accurate. I was trying to think how to edit the section to make it fit better, but I thought I'd call others' attention to it and see what y'all come up with ... it seems to me that the first paragraph merits inclusion — obviously, one would first modify the blanket statement that implies all evacuees or all those who found work went to Houston — while the second paragraph starts getting so individually specific as to be highly out of place in a general article about larger social effects of the hurricanes. Maybe we could take just the first sentence from the second paragraph and use it to elaborate the previous paragraph (i.e., giving examples of industries in Houston that hired large numbers of evacuees?). Lawikitejana 01:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of section about displacement to Houston 

message: The separate article on Snowball (Hurricane Katrina dog) is being considered for deletion. One of the proposals being made there is to abbreviate the material and transplant it to this article. In the event this proposal should reflect community consensus, I'm crafting a paragraph to that purpose and placing it here. 
I think it would follow immediately after the sentence ending "were not allowed to take their pets with them (see also Snowball)." I am embedding references but not including a reference section. Obviously, if this paragraph were placed, the references would sort themselves into the main document. :) --Moonriddengirl 13:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Snowball

message: As a student in a Wikipedia Education course, I am considering adding to the existing section on the social effects of Hurricane Katrina. I would like to expand on other disorders that are seen in Katrina victims and survivors in addition to PTSD. I am also particularly interested in transgenerational trauma as a result of Hurricane Katrina, which is being studied with growing intensity. Please read more about this project on my user page, Potential Project Topics! Madison Roy (talk) 23:30, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Expanding Social Effects

message: I propose that Internally displaced persons in the United States be merged into Social effects of Hurricane Katrina. The source article overlaps the target article and can easily be explained in the latter's context. As a stub consisting of two only paragraphs, the source article may be merged without unduly increasing the target article's size or implicating WP:DUE issues. KalHolmann (talk) 17:30, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: A better target for the content of Internally displaced persons in the United States might be New Orleans diaspora, which is listed as the 'main' article for Social effects of Hurricane Katrina#Displacement. If someone was keen, then surely there are other examples of internally displaced persons in the United States which could be discussed. Klbrain (talk) 09:58, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Closing this proposal, and proposing another involving New Orleans diaspora. Klbrain (talk) 20:32, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal