Talk:Johann van Beethoven

message: "Johan van Beethoven" triggers only one hit in Google scholar and that one isn't in English. It triggers three hits in Google books, two are in French and the other isn't in English, either. "Johann van Beethoven", by contrast, has 39 hits in Google scholar, thirty being in English. It also triggers 300 hits in Google books, many or most of which are in English. I could not find any other names. Sciurinæ 17:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support. Obvious. -- Matthead discuß!     O       15:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *CommentI have reinserted my comment that User:Rex Germanus had removed claiming. "A: Not allowed to vote B Dutch wikipedia is not a source, nor does it list him as Johann, but Johan". I'm trying hard to assume good faith here, so I strongly suggest you consult wikipedia policies regarding the removal of other peoples comments, Rex. 84.145.195.64 16:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I had been clear. Let me repeat it once more in even simpler English. You are an Anonymous IP adress. Not a registered User. You hence have no right to vote for validity reasons. This is a vote. Rex 16:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Show me the policy. Otherwise I cannot see this as anything but a personal attack. 84.145.195.64 17:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anonymous IPs are not allowed to vote, nor are extremly newly registered editors with very few edits. It's because it would mean that if you went to an internet café or library (where every computer has another IP) you might be able multiple times. The same goes for creating multiple accounts (WP:SOCK) it's a rule go with it or logg in/create an account. (WP:ACCOUNT)Rex 17:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have already told you, this is not a vote. Still, as you persist to remove and insult my comments ("false vote") I had no choice but to post a notice on WP:ANI 84.145.195.64 17:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anonymous IP editors are absolutely welcome to voice their opinions in these discussions.  Move discussions are not votes.  Move discussions are better served by addressing the content than by trying to lawyer a good-faith contributor out of the discussion.  The conversation isn't about who has what "rights" on the wiki; it's about Beethoven's first name.  On that subject, the Dutch article was moved on September 23 to the "Johan" title; see the page history.  Regardless, our convention is to follow the majority of reliable English language sources, so it's not clear that Dutch usage is a major factor in our decision here.  Our aim in choosing a title is to reflect scholarship on Beethoven in English, per our naming conventions. -GTBacchus(talk) 23:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Regarding the Dutch article, it of course had been created as "Johann" and edited by several editors before it was recently moved, by a user who did not bother to edit the content accordingly - which is a habit also Rex Germanus has, I have to say. -- Matthead discuß!     O       04:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The second and fourth sentences contradict themselves.
59.167.82.150 (talk) 07:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really: Johann's father and son were both called Ludwig van Beethoven: the Ludwig in the second sentence is his son, the famous composer, and the Ludwig (Lodewijk) in the fourth sentence is his father, the grandfather of the famous composer. M.J.E. (talk) 14:29, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this was less clear back in September -- in fact, before I added Lodewijk to the opening sentence, someone had "corrected" this. Magic♪piano 16:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Father or Son?

message: Historically, Mechelen never was part of Flanders. The article mentions Flemish several times, I feel this should rather be Brabant, or refer to the low countries Yet as am not an expert on the matter, I should like discussion before modifying the article. Jan olieslagers (talk) 06:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flemish? 

message: The article states that today no one bears the name "Beethoven". Does it mean that there are still descendants from this family with other names? --2.245.93.19 (talk) 22:13, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name "Beethoven" 

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