Talk:Peter Camejo

message: I was a delegate from NY pledged to Peter Camejo at the national Green Party convention. It was pretty clear that at that moment, Peter was a placeholder for Ralph Nader.
- Mitchel Cohen
Brooklyn Greens
71.190.16.173 (talk) 22:39, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

message: There's evidence out there from multiple sources that suggests he was born in Venezuela ... but what's disturbing is the changes on the Web site of his company.
Yesterday, the information about him being born in Venezuela was removed from the site of Progressive Asset Management.  However, it's cached on Yahoo and Google.
Compare those to how it looks now.
There has been some confusion as to Peter Camejo's birthplace, likely because he spent his earliest years growing up in Venezuela.  I contacted Peter Camejo personally, and he assured me that he possesses a valid United States passport obtained on the proof of his birth certificate registered in the borough of Queens, New York.
Reverted some POV language from a partisan; the same was inserted into David Cobb as well.  Several unproven statements made, including that a "majority of Greens" supported a Camejo campaign.  Will attempt to come up with some better language in the near future, working with the partisan if necessary. - Scooter 03:53, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Early talk

message: somebody is demanding for facts that I have not seen ordinarily requested in other Wikipedia entries, that I am familiar with.
I hav a fifteen year old archives called, California Green Archives. The facts are resting quietly there. It is available to any and all scholars who wish to do research, call me at 510-654-5311.
Hank C.
:Actually, I didn't ask for "facts" in the typical notion of the word (implying objectivity), but rather we need some sources for this article. While you've changed it around a bit and readded some of the unsourced assertions, you've only added wikilinks, not references. It is fine to have statements that demonstrate points of view, as long as teh point of view is identified ("Reagan said X" or "Fellow Green X has criticized him for Y") as long as those assertions are properly referenced. You need to provide references to speeches or transcripts, publications, websites, etc. Please also avoid charged, and POV, wording like "insults," "assailed Peter," "stepped aside to watch the entire effort collapse within a year due to the falseness that it represented". And yes, sources are a basic requirement for all good Wikipedia articles, see Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Cite sources. Dmcdevit·t 07:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This information still needs to be sourced. I've placed fact tags on the pertinent assertions.  Simply saying "See the Green Party archives" isn't good enough; we need specific references, citations, in-line links etc. · Katefan0(scribble)/mrp 20:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

text: The royal we, of course. As in "Wikipedia and its editors."  I look forward to your finding proper citations. · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 04:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you had time to find citations yet? · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 04:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Please don't remove the fact tags until you've provided citations.  There's no hard and fast deadline, but technically unsourced information may be removed at any time.  I figured another week would be a reasonable time period for you to back up these assertions with sourcing. · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 02:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: I removed the tag on the top since there is one further down on the criticisms section Bov 20:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what material you want to add but, in general, criticism (pro or con) should be attributed, not just sourced. For example, "Smith is a liar" or "Smith is known as a liar" would be wrong, even if sourced (unless it'd been proven in court). However, "Jones has called Smith a liar" is probably OK, if "Jones" is a notable, reliable source. "Some have called Smith a liar", is a last ditch effort if the critic isn't really notable, is a stretch if there's only one sourced critic, and is usually not allowed in contentious articles. What we must especially avoid is coming up with criticisms, or defenses, on our own. We're just here to verifiably summarize reliable sources using the neutral point of view. Cheers, -Will Beback 06:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: npov

message: The "diminishing returns" chart appears to be a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc, and it stands alone in no relation to any explanatory content in the article. I say remove it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.231.6.66 (talk) 15:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Diminishing Returns" Chart

message: I undid the edit that added "There is a web page, called political riticism of Peter Camejo at; http://www.experiencefestival.com/peter_camejo_-_political_criticism_of_peter_camejo."
I undid it not because I didn't think this link belongs in the article but because it was "bare," without much useful context.  Plus, it was written in a spamvertising way.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  undid criticism-link edit 

message: This article has gotten somewhat disorganized (eg Camejo's VP candidacy a subtopic under gubernatorial runs, book authorship under GP controversy, etc). I'm going to take a stab at reorganizing it. Jlundell (talk) 18:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  article organization 

message: IDEA PAC is not defunct, and in fact its official name has not changed; registration info here.
I went through all the gubernatorial elections back to 1946 looking at third-party candidates. I linked only the  1946 high, but the other results are available at the appropriate pages. Ed Clark received 5.5% in 1978, but as an independent, not as a third-party candidate (he ran for president in 1980 as a Libertarian).
--Jlundell (talk) 19:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  IDEA, third-party gubernatorial success 

message: I removed one of the two unsourced "some Greens" references in the 'conflict' section, on the grounds that it hadn't been fixed in more than a year, and didn't really add anything to the bio. Maybe, with proper sourcing, it could make an interesting addition to one of the GP articles proper. Trouble is, "some Greens" believe X for just about any X.
I intend to remove the other unsourced 'Some Greens" sentence as well, on the same grounds, unless someone cares to make it a little more specific and relevant to this article.
--Jlundell (talk) 19:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  GP conflict

message: I updated the survivors bit, citing CounterPunch's version of the AP obit. It omits Camejo's grandchildren and is more specific about the first-order relations. 
However, it really seems to me that a "survived by" section is more appropriate to an obit than a bio, and I question leaving it in the article at all.
--Jlundell (talk) 19:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  survived by 

message: Please discuss significant changes. A recent edits, that's been re-made repeatedly, seems to fail several Wikipedia policies. However some accomodation may be made if we can discuss the matter.   Will Beback  talk   20:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: I appreciate the need for protection, but under the circumstances, wouldn't it be worth trying semi-protection first? --Jlundell (talk) 01:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand the policies and guidelines, semi-protection is only for outright vandalism and not for edit disputes that involve IPs. Unless there's breaking news about the subject, I don't think that full protection should have a big impact. If the IP comes to talk we can lift the protection, and if there's anything that needs to be done in the meantime we can ask an uninvolved admin to make the edit.   Will Beback  talk   01:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Up to you guys, I guess. And you're right, there's nothing pressing. Regardless, thanks for the intervention. --Jlundell (talk) 05:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  protection 

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