Talk:Flame retardant

message: If you study this subject enough you find that banning specific things is not a solution as new ones can be synthesized these days easily (think of all the slight variations of recreation drugs that one 'hobbyist' famously made up to skirt around regulations/bans).
The only long term solution here is to have every product run go through GCMS test of a sample that captures both permeates/absorption and outgassing compounds. The Mass Spectra of such test needs to be assigned a code that can be looked up from eg. product labeling, Cable Sleeve/insulations (they already have lot of small print but nothing about the chemicals used) and googled. Such test equipment is these days portable and easy to use so there is no technical or cost reason preventing such. If end users get ill from using a product, the end user accessible mass spectra allows tracing possible compounds through elimination process of end user trying other products with slightly different spectra. (the spectra should make it easy to distinguish currently widely used compounds, the compounds need not be named if their 'frequency' in the spectra stands out)
This page explains how end-user/spot-test samples can be correlated back to manufacturing-compliance test samples even if different equipment was used https://www.mzcloud.org/Features   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.155.26.87 (talk) 12:28, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Environment/health lobbyist/organizations have (had?) too specific focus

message: On the other hand, this materials can be produced out of melamine and dipentaerythriol. Herein melamine functions as a blowing agent that forms barrier to flame.
The mechanism of fire retardancy is simply inhibition of oxygen with radical formation of these organic materials, the element which burns materials. However inorganic materials behaves as capturing agents for oxygens molecules.
I know little of chemistry, but this sounds like balderdash. I came across this while looking through the User Contributions page for 212.98.201.1, from which address I've seen a fair bit of vandalism.  It's possible that this is just some rubbish (I mean, "radical formation of these inorganic materials"? What the heck is that supposed to mean?) inserted by a vandal, or it may be from somebody with a weak grasp of English.  If this is valid information, it's still incomprehensible.  Either way, I'm cutting it. Mr. Billion 18:44, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
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message: I would suggest to merge the articles flame retardant and fire retardant as these terms are very similar. --Lucido 13:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge suggested 

message: "metals such as aluminium hydroxide, magnesium hydroxide, antimony trioxide," is clearly incorrect - these materials are not metals.
84.245.0.98 (talk) 16:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not metals 

message: Tri-o-cresyl phosphate is not halogenated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.65.63 (talk) 16:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Phosphates 

message: We've got stuff in here about the hazards of the materials used.  We should also have something about the deaths, injuries, and property damage prevented by the use of flame retardants.  That's what I came here looking for. --Dan Wylie-Sears 2 (talk) 06:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balance 

message: * Child died from unsupervised use of fireworks sparklers. Cotton has a lower ignition temperature (q.v. "Farenheit 451") than synthetic fabrics e.g. polyester fabric. However it was shown tha Cotton burns slowly and at lower temperature so that if child had been supervised the parent could have removed burning clothing with minimal injury. Polyester fabric burns too fast and too hot for response, melting to skin as it continues to burn. Similar in flash fire aboard a navy vessel where enlisted men, required to wear cotton uniforms, all survived but officers all wearing polyester all died.
* PentaBorate often used as flame retardent on cotton products (furniture, insulation, etc)had washed out of childrens pajamas after many washings.
Shjacks45 (talk) 06:09, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
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message: Reference 15 gives a 404 error  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.177.174.137 (talk) 17:14, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference 404 error 

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message: Hi, does anybody know if there are serious concerns of brominated and chlorinated flame retardants decomposing under UV light and releasing free radicals destroying ozone? I would assume that at least for some of them it might be the case. Article only talks about health and more direct biological effects. 2A02:168:F609:0:6EB4:8A5F:9FC4:E8FB (talk) 06:33, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard about such an issue. FR released into the environment partition into soils and sediments. --Leyo 09:09, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible effects on ozone layer? 

message: This article would do with just a section on the Flame retardant page. Bobherry Talk Edits  00:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't feel strongly. Flame retardant is relatively long and doesn't have other material-specific sections, but Flame retardant cotton is relatively short. What do you think ? -Reagle (talk) 17:14, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Flame retardant cotton]] into [[Flame retardant]] 

message: — Assignment last updated by Candencemcneil (talk) 18:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Toxicology

message: *Sodium bicarbonate can be used as a flame retardant due to the heat required for it to decompose, and how it produces Carbon dioxide upon decomposition.
*I am unsure to what extent some sort of substrate is needed, but i'd assume polymers would work, and this paper discusses using Cellulose Nanofibril Aerogels ( may not be a page for that oof, just Aerogels ), so i won't be using weasel words, but *at least with a substrate* (ie not just loose powder) it works
** https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6150641/ "Eco-friendly Flame-Retardant Cellulose Nanofibril Aerogels by Incorporating Sodium Bicarbonate"
*This is a neat example of Appropriate Materials (or maybe just non/less-scarce, way more sodium/chlorine in seawater brine than bromine!) too so i think that is a neat aspect, may need some more data on all that
*Finally here is some link spam that anyone can look over + can potentially be used for the page(s) made about all this:
** https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0040603108004395 "Fire retardancy impact of sodium bicarbonate on ligno-cellulosic materials"
** https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0040603108004395 "Laboratory Evaluation of Bicarbonate Powders as Fire Suppressants" 
** https://firefighterinsider.com/baking-soda-flammable-baking-powder/ " Is Baking Soda Flammable? What About Baking Powder? - Firefighter Insider"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric Lotze (talk • contribs) 16:09, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sodium bicarbonate]] as a Flame Retardant 

message: *Hearing about this in my Electrical Class
*I haven't looked into it too much, but some breif on-wiki searching lead to:
** Aluminium diethyl phosphinate
** An external Link in Society of Plastics Engineers
** Low smoke zero halogen (maybe just redirect to this?)
** Some plastic pages
*Either way i thought i'd document this real quick (rushing right now, so i may need to clean this up later)
Eric Lotze (talk) 16:36, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Halogen Free Flame Retardant]] / retardants as a Subsection may be a neat addition. 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Big Ideas in Chemistry