Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender/Archive 7

message: What if we get the picture of Aang when his back is turned to the viewer during the opening credit (right before the title comes up). H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 01:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, that does sound good. *Goes to get from itunes.* -Dylan0513 01:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm, like this? . Maybe a little too far away? -Dylan0513 01:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think this one's  little better. -Dylan0513 01:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a difference? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 01:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 2nd one's definitely closer up, XD. After struggling with this and watching the same scene on itunes for half an hour, all the details are pretty apparent. -Dylan0513 01:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: They look exactly the same to me. I'll look at them side by side. Bagpipeturtle 01:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Trust me, the second one zooms in on Aang more which I think it better. -Dylan0513 01:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, yeah. Now I see it. The second one is a little closer up. My bad. Bagpipeturtle 02:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It's good, but I don't know where it would be used. Would it replace the picture with the Avatar logo thing on it? It might fit well on Aang's page somewhere. Maybe. Bagpipeturtle 02:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: H2P suggested this for the main page. I don't think it would work anywhere else. -Dylan0513 02:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only thing is, the main page FA image is supposed to be an image that's actually on the article, I think.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What? XD -Dylan0513 02:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed so it actually makes sense. Doh.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 02:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, you mean that, ok, XD. I think H2P's thinking of switching them for both... -Dylan0513 02:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, for the main page, ok. I don't think the current article picture is that great either so is changing the main page and the article still in the discussion? -Dylan0513 02:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: So that picture (the second one) would be Aang's new picture on the main page? I'm not really following this whole thing. Bagpipeturtle 03:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not Aang's new picture, but in place of the main picture, which is currently the logo. -Dylan0513 03:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, that makes more sense. I kind of like the logo as the main picture, but I suppose it would look good with that one too. Bagpipeturtle 03:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That certainly works better than the logo in thumbnail, for the Main Page synopsis. I think they'd work equally well at the top of the article. --Herald Alberich 04:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, so as Fyre has said, if we want one of these pics to be on the wiki main page when it's avatar's turn, then we need it to be in the article and it seems the main image is the only place. So do we change it for both or neither? -Dylan0513 21:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: *The creators mentioned that Kuzon, Aang's old friend from the Fire Nation, was going to play an important role in the future. It is possible that he is the person that will teach Aang firebending. - Robert25
::Yes, that is (slightly) possible. But we can't really put that in any articles unless it accually happens. And Kuzon would be, like, really old. As old as Bumi (and we all know how insane he is). As I said before, speculation until proven otherwise. Bagpipeturtle 03:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kuzon 

message: I believe that this should be the new main picture for Katara's page. -Robert25
:We're working on getting one without the watermark. Please take this to Katara's page. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Katara's picture 

message: Italic textwheve only seen 3 but in the north west corner of the world theres air nation plus the northern air temple is in the north earth kingdom's mountain range so the eastern air temple is s.e. of BA SING SE. all info from seasons 1 and part of 2 thanks for reading
  
"oh and tylee is part air nomad!"
:What???  Tylee is Fire Nation.  As for the temples, the map shows four: one near the South Pole (where Aang found Gyatso), one near Ba Sing Se (where Aang met Guru Pathik), one near the North Pole (where The Mechanist and Teo live), and one near the Fire Nation which the creators said would be seen, where female Air Nomads were trained).  Kochdude388 20:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  there are 4 not 3 air temples 

message: the text above the title translates: The Divine Medium who had descended upon the Mortal World. 
http://www.amazon.com/Avatar-Last-Airbender-Complete-Collection/dp/fun-facts/B000FZETI4/ref=imdbdpsl_ak_1/102-0426027-1411361#keywords
Look at the triva 74.234.57.43 15:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: the text

message: *I think the (TOTALLY AWESOME!) movie should get its own article. I mean, that's pretty big news. Should it? ShadowUltra 19:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But what would we put in it? Everything we know about the movie is already in the main article. "On January 8, 2007, Paramount Pictures' MTV Films and Nick Movies announced that it has signed on M. Night Shyamalan to write, direct and produce a trilogy of live action films based on the series" is the entirety of meaningful text we could include, with maybe a mention about the naming controversy. And that's another mess; with both Paramount and Fox having movies named Avatar, we don't even know what to call the movie page yet. Certainly it will get an article eventually, but I think we need more info first. --Herald Alberich 19:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. We should make an article only when we have some real content for it. For now, the section on this article is all the treatment it needs.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for the movie 

message: The music in Avatar is probably some of the best on Nickelodeon since the older shows like Invader Zim.  Would it be possible to get a section in the article about the music, and also mention .com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?avatarST&1 this petition?
*Certainly, if you can find some documentation on the music, whether it be an article, something on the DVD, or whatever other reliable sources you can find.  FrozenPurpleCube 23:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, the music can only be heard on the composers' myspace accounts:  and . The team has said that Nick might release a soundtrack if they get enough emails, so if that happens, be prepared to put up the info. Y BCZ 05:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone know What the theme is when they do the previously on avatar thing. And you can find plenty of music for avatar on www.avatarspirit.net. great site by the way, just dosnt have the song i just mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.36.18.11 (talk) 17:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: Can we archive some stuff from this page it is getting too long and my computer cannot handle it. If we do we can just get rid of some stuff from really long ago and put it into a webpage called Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender/archive 69.248.178.147
:Done. -Dylan0513 23:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: This sentence always annoyed me. Avatar is made in Korea, influenced by Asia, and shown around the world but written by Americans. How do we justify this as an American animated show when it isn't animated in America? H2P 16:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Easily, the show's production team is in America, the creative origins are in America, and the details of animation are just a production issue that hasn't mattered for any of the dozens of shows that are animated in overseas studios.  Certainly the show is made in Korea, and that should be mentioned, and so should the influences, but it's the creative team that defines it.  It's no different for Avatar than it is for Batman: The Animated Series or any of the dozens of Cartoon Network shows that are animated elsewhere.  FrozenPurpleCube 18:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  American animated television show 

message: Two edits by an anonymous user might need editing - I'll leave it to someone a little more glued to it.  Suki hasn't officially been determined to be dead, has she?  In true Avatar fashion, we will most likely find that she and the other warriors were captured, but I don't think we saw any actual death occur.
Also, didn't the note about Toph's metal-bending get removed as too much of a spoiler?  --Snicker|¥°€| 14:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the fates of both Suki and Jet are still up in the air. Any information of them dying on these pages is just speculation and should be removed. - Joshua368 15:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did so. Spoilers aside, Toph has so far demonstrated metalbending in one episode, and the character summaries are supposed to provide general info, not specific events. --Herald Alberich 16:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suki dead? 

message: King Bumi was "unable" to bend metals - being stuffed into a metal box, he could only bend the earth outside because his head was exposed.
There are repeated mentions in Fire Nation dialogue about how their machines, especially the heavier ones, are "safe" from Earthbenders because the Earthbenders cannot "bend" metal.
The two Earthbenders who capture Toph certainly think that Earthbenders are incapable of Bending metal, because they cannot and they put her in a metal box.
The fact that Toph demonstrated this ability - figuring out how under great duress - and the fact that she is the ONLY bender, onscreen or in mention, to show this ability - is enough for it to be mentioned in her profile. Stop reverting this, it is not "speculation."RunedChozo 20:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HA HA HA. Wow, this guy things we don't know what OWN is! H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 20:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll direct you to WP:NPA seeing as you want to throw about policy. Jerk is an offensive attack. The problem is, this page is an introduction the show. All the spoilers on the page are kept to mininmum levels, nothing that will directly kill a whole episode or do anything that makes watching the show pointless or less entertaining. Toph's metalbending is a huge spoiler to the point that it ruins all surprise during that episode. We've also discussed that, while not talked about, Toph being the only metal bender may not be true as we can't prove that others have not ever bended metal. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 20:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at your edits and you'll realize he's right. Just because this page is the hightilght of your/our wikiproject doesn't mean you get to revert any edit from people not in the project. An OWN applies to groups too. The Placebo Effect 20:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And you need to look at H2P's comments. He's reverting it, rightfully so, because we've already discussed this! -Dylan0513 21:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: A spoiler means, basically, giving away the ending. It doesn't matter if it's happened already or not, it's giving away the ending for someone who might not know it. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 05:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As someone just coming across this page, I'd like to agree with those who would like to keep it off. Even disregarding the very pertinent issue of spoilers that should be avoided, I don't see as how this is sufficiently relevant to her character. All the other mini-bios for the main characters on this page focus on personality and background, without bothering to mention their special powers and abilities beyond such general wording as "impressive" or "immensely powerful". The specificity regarding her ability to "see" is understandably necessary, but I don't see her metalbending as being any more pertinent than the fact that only Azula has used blue fire or that only she and Uncle Iroh can bend lightning.--Dycedarg ж 05:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok so I take back what I said, it does make sense to leave it off this page and I also agree that we all talk about things before we edit it (But most of us do this anyways)Rosario lopez 03:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bending Metal

message: The link to the musical score petition makes it sound sort of like advertisement. Do we really need to include that link? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 21:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second this.  "Popular enough for an online petition?"  Anything can have an online petition, it doesn't need to be popular, one person can start it.  This sentence (ironically, the final one) mars this otherwise near-flawless article.--Gillespee 02:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: BTW, there's a total of 453 signatures on the petition.  Hardly seems like overwhelming support to me.--Gillespee 02:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Meh, someone on a fansite pointed out to me, I personally thought it was worth mentioning. If I've really "marred" the article so (hah), I'm not married to it.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 04:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, let's not get snippy.  That was not meant as a personal attack - I used the word "mar" to emphasize the difference between the quality of the article and the quality of that online petition.  I do apologize for offending you.  Since you didn't mind though, I've removed the sentence.--Gillespee 23:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: And prepare for the vandals. Pacific Coast Highway {The internet • runs on Rainbows!} 01:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "If Britney Spears shaves her head?" What will they think of next? --Herald Alberich 02:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These vandals are boring. At least after the season finale they pertained to Avatar. These are so random. -Dylan0513 02:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hooray for violation of 3RR? Whydoit  (Why...do it?) 02:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandal-fighting is exempted from 3RR. --Herald Alberich 02:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. *Writes that down* Whydoit  (Why...do it?) 02:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Was wondering when the weaboo folks would begin targeting the article. --293.xx.xxx.xx 02:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Azula & Sokka are having an affair, because I HAVE THE SCRIPTS TO SEASON 3!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.92.43.153 (talk) 03:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, dear, they found the talk page. And my Spears comment above may have inspired this guy's vandalism, whoops. --Herald Alberich 03:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone get the vandal/weaboo spray! Pacific Coast Highway {The internet • runs on Rainbows!} 03:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: What do you mean by "weaboo"? I haven't heard that term before. A Wikipedia seach comes up empty. --Herald Alberich 03:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It means wapanese. It's a running joke at a website, since wapanese if wordfiltered to weaboo. Pacific Coast Highway {The internet • runs on Rainbows!} 03:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thank you. --Herald Alberich 03:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Protecting Today's Featured Article is discouraged; it sends a bad message if a new user sees "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit," tries to edit the first article he sees, and can't. The vandalism would have to get really, really bad before we get protection; as it is, the article's only protected from page moves right now. --Herald Alberich 03:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense, lets hope it doesnt get to that point where we do have to block it. Rosario lopez 04:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Today is the day! 

message: This article was subject to several acts of vandalism early in the day of 20 February. I recommend that a sysop protect this page. Having pornographic vandalism linking directly to the main page could be very harmful.
Deepdesertfreman 13:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same here. I had revision about three times today. We must have protection.Reige 13:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Requested for semi-protection. Funpika 14:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Protection denied. Funpika 14:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jerks. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 14:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not jerks. You shouldn't be able to protect or semi-protect the article while it is still featured in coordinance with WP:NOPRO. This situation happened a couple of weeks ago with DNA. Maybe after the article gets of of the front page completely you can Semi-Protect. --Lyoko is Cool 14:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's right, as I mentioned in the above section. And as the policy he links to points out, the article has improved a little already in its time on the Main Page, due to some copyedits. --Herald Alberich 16:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: What are you a bot? Couldn't you have changed a single word? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 15:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I accidentally clicked save page before I clicked Show Preview. Both copies must have meen saved.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyoko is Cool (talk • contribs) 
YAY, It's over! Our 24 hours of fame has ended. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 00:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Is this good or bad? XD And everyone should notice Avatar went from not ranked to 51 on the most popular articles for February, XD. -Dylan0513 00:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is probably good. Some vandals might skip over the article because it is not the first thing that they see. --Lyoko is Cool 14:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: The characters don't go left and right anymore and the lines are gone. When did we decide on doing that or is it another vandalist change due to the main page? I liked the lines. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 17:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't call it a necessarily "vandalist" change. I imagine someone thought it looks more professional this way, and people were complaining about the lines in the FAC. I agree, though, that the old way looks better. --Herald Alberich 18:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: Nannus 19:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Im sorry I know your just pointing out things you think are wrong but to me everything you said is wrong. Im not sure about all the legal stuff but I would think that everyone who has worked on these pages would of checked this stuff out. The only thing I might agree with is the currently in the first sentence, it does make sense to change that. But to not have it has the featured artice because of a reason like that is not right.Rosario lopez 20:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw them. I disagree. There. Pacific Coast Highway {The internet • runs on Rainbows!} 20:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  See my comments on this article on [[Wikipedia talk:Featured articles]]

message: I love fighting "ninja editors". The Placebo Effect 14:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [http://www.avatarspirit.net/] 

message: Seeing how its gotten to be, I'm surprised at how little its mentioned of. Its even been referred to in article  I'm not saying we should start posting up links to fanart or fanfics (don't care for them), but some things should be made mentioned of.
* Shipping
** Considering its relationship with both the series and fandom definately needs made mention of. Not "Zomg! Katara and Aang should like totally get together. Kataanger 4ever!" Something like:
"One aspect of the series is the 'shipping' which has come to be one of the franchise's main foundations. This is best expressed by the last Comic Con panel, which included a hilarious slide segment dedicated to identifying each and every one, and then some. The most infamous ship is that of the 'Zutara' ship. As the portmanteau  name implies, the ship involves the characters Zuko and Katara, and was first catalyzed by Zuko tying Katara to a try and attempting to bribe her with the necklace of her deceased mother in 'The Waterbending Scroll'. One way or another, it has grown to be one of the most recognizable ship, and also helping it was the fact that the two voice actors shared a parallel relationship on another show, 'American Dragon Jake Long'. Regardless of it origins, due to being known to regularly visits their fansites and forums, the creators are quite aware of the ship or at least seem to enjoy playing with it, as it has been mentioned in almost every interview/convention. Also evident is the fact that the very first commercial clip for the season two finale centered around informing viewers that the two were to be 'spending some unexpectesd time together'"
Now as a person who doesn't ship for any show, as it has a knack for getting in the way of the plot and true characterizations and this show's no different (Sokka's role in Lake Lagoi for example), I'm surprised their isn't even some little line like "For one reason or another, numerous fans have enjoyed pairing blank with blank ever since their interaction in the waterbending scroll in complete disregard of the natural intial unliklihood. Some are thoroughly convinced that the two will 'end up together' " somewhere in their trivia section. 
* Once again fanart and all that other crap shouldn't be put here but there are some who should be made mentioned of. Kimberly Miranda aka "Isaia", ...aka Aviaq's satirical take on the Avatar fandom has earned her mention in articles and recognition in the eyes of the staff. (she was right on the money with that one) To go even further, recently the deviantart user "rufftoon" known best for lighthearted Avatar based strips, has been enducted as a storyboader for the series. Seriously  
* Finally in terms of media. Avatar fanvids and online episodes have come to be quite common on youtube, even earning some "most viewed" honors, but are constantly deleted because of copyright issues. Though common for most youtube vids, problems arose with the Google Youtube deal  and have reached a headway. In that tens of thousands of vids were once again removed, and due to Avatar's relations to Viacom, it was affected.  The staff once even expressed their sympathy and support for the production of the videos.
"We did remove the illegal episode broadcasts but the mashups are great. Everybody at Avatar loves them. I have also noticed that some of them have been removed. However it is not by us. Most likely it is the record companies pulling the content because of the music that is used. 
Google is cracking down on a lot of this now that they have bought youtube. 
We still encourage mashups and videos to the fullest." 
Naturally all this crap doesn't have to go on the main page, could just have a link to its page, like with the media information. Come to think of it, fits well under the “franchise” category. Doesn't even have to all be crammed in one place like this, it just calls for some mentioning here and there, ya'know. Heart of series. More or less. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.250.190.116 (talk) 21:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All this stuff doesn't belong on Wikipedia which is why it isn't here. -Dylan0513 03:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this stuff *might* belong on Wikipedia, if it could meet the appropriate standards of verifiability.  See for example this :Category:Science fiction fandom for many examples of this subject.  That said, there could be some problems with the coverage.  As such, I suggest working on the project in Userspace until it meets a certain level of quality.  FrozenPurpleCube 08:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

text: If you're going to quote content from AvatarSpirit.net, then please refer to us as the source. The above quote on the illegal episode / youtube issue is not from the show staff, it is from a conversation I had with Nick IP that ASN published on November 22, 2006. Here's the link to our November news archive, just scroll down to see the entry where we reported this feedback. http://www.avatarspiritmedia.net/news_archive.php?month=11&year=2006. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Acastus (talk • contribs) 19:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: *While certainly not everything you mention qualifies right now as something that belongs on Wikipedia, you overexaggerate when you claim that none of those things will ever merit as something to be on Wikipedia.  If enough reliable sources can be produced about the subject, then it can easily belong on Wikipedia.  See for example the page on shipping, or other pages in the :Category:Fandom.   If such material were produced about Avatar characters, the coverage of the subject would be appropriate.  So, I suggest being slightly more careful about your statements in the future, and simply saying that there's not enough reliable sources at this time.  Perhaps there never will be. It is, however, important to remember that it is possible that it could happen.             The subject itself is not forbidden from Wikipedia.   So, I suggest instead of telling the people that want to add shipping that they are a tool and otherwise being offensive, you remind them that they need sources beyond simple fan speculation.  An article in a published magazine or newspaper, for example, an interview with the creators, even commentary on the DVDs.   FrozenPurpleCube 17:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fandom 

message: I reverted the edits by KolSkywalker528 in version 112348442 because the Avatar timeline can use some more work before it is incorporated into the main article. - Karma Thief 16:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really see a use for it. The problem is that the 0 year will be nothing but the Episodes page. Everything else can be put on other pages. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Avatar Timeline

message: I think its time to semi-protect this place guys, I'm sick I've reverting Ass-Benders and other edits that give these IQ-Of-2 idiots there kicks. Ferdia O'Brien 03:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't insult the three-year olds.  My niece is much better behaved than that.  She's even potty-trained. Mostly.  :) But yeah, these kinds of  <expletive description I want to give to these folks self-censored> people are both endemic to Wikipedia, and a necessary consequence of being free and open, and relying on the decent folks to implement a civilizing effect.  And while we may all want to do that with a sack full of door knobs, we have to turn the other cheek and just fix up their mess as we can.  Y'all have done a pretty good job though, and it's not like you left Christopher Columbus with speed boats for several months unnoticed.  FrozenPurpleCube 05:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why ya gotta be going on the two-year-olds? Anyway yeah, its troublesome, its inconvenient, but it only takes two clicks of a button to fix. Why change horses, etc, etc. A good third of the stuff Avatar has here wouldn't be here if it was protected. Its a "meh" for me. ~Father's Wish 11 March 2007 (UTC)
*I think this is one of those things that if it happens, great, if not, we won't go out of our way to get it semi-protected. -Dylan0513 13:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi Protection