Talk:Eastbourne/Archive 1

message: Hmm, is Eastbourne, UK really any more important than Eastubourne, NZ?  It is to me, since it's where my parents live, but I wasn't sure it had any global reason to take precedence.  If there is no such reason, I think the previous disambig page should stay, since someone searching for "Eastbourne" is equally likely to be looking for either. - IMSoP 13:41, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know but I'd say the one in the UK came first historically which, if the two are of otherwise equal notability, gives this one the slight edge... -- Graham  ☺ | Talk 15:51, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance

message: I have removed the following addition from the article, because I'm not sure of it's veracity:
It is also famous for having over 35 millionaires and is the birth place of jack dee (comedian) Toploader (band) Some of the biggest ethinc minorities are, Filipinos, Chinese, Greeks, Italians.
* I've never heard of Eastbourne being "famous" for its number of millionaires, and "over 35" seems odd without a reference to back it up; a quick search on Google did turn up this PDF claiming 114 millionaires, although the stated postcode (BN20) is actually composed primarily of the rural area to the West of Eastbourne (it touches Old Town, including my house, but I doubt that's where the millionaires are).
* According to the bbc.co.uk Guide to Comedy, Jack Dee was born "in Petts Wood, near Orpington, south-east of London"
* Toploader really did come from here, they used to work at the Chasely Trust situated on South Cliff Avenue, but as one-hit wonders, do they merit a mention? Perhaps if the article gets rearranged a little we could accomodate them somehow...
* The 2001 UK Census lists Chinese as the most significant ethnic minority, with just 443 members (which I make roughly 0.5% of the population); there may well be a handful of Filipinos, and I personally know Greeks, Germans, and Iranians, but listing all those would IMHO present an incorrect picture of a town which is (by my calculations on that census data) 96.6% white, with no one group occupying the remainder.
As ever, any comments welcome. - IMSoP 13:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  * Should the fact that Roger Moore used to live there and Eddie Izzard attended Eastbourne College be included?? - swedishdave
* "Eastbourne was recently found to be the 52nd most dangerous place to live in England and Wales in the study "Urban Crime Rankings" (2006). However, as there were only 55 towns in the study, Eastbourne is also the 4th safest place to live." whoever wrote this is a genious! Swedishdave 12:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I've removed that sentence, as coming 52nd out 55 really doesn't mean much - I mean, would Eastbourne still have been 52nd out of 155? Or would it have been 152nd? - IMSoP 13:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: my point exactly, i didnt want to remove it myself because i found it funny. well done. Swedishdave 00:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: in the trivia/film secion part of pear harobour was filmed here... this was a major film. i would add it myself but i cant remember how to do it (havent used wiki in a long time!!)oh, and thanks for adding my roger moore fact in!Swedishdave 00:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable additions 

message: OK, I know that Eastbourne is part of the tourist industry, but this article tends very much towards PR: But then that may be because I am a Hastings man myself? Peter Shearan 09:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tourist PR talk

message: The Hastings Direct company isn't based in Hastings, it is actually based in it's neighbouring town of Bexhill-on-Sea.
Freshprince 13:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh please! not it's neighbouring town .... Peter Shearan 09:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hastings Direct Tennis Competition 

message: The part of brighton uni is not in polegate, it is actually in Willingdon, which is part of eastbourne, as polegate is a seperate town and not part of eastbourne.
:Wha'? The only parts of Brighton Uni I can think of are in Meads, right the other side of town from both Polegate and Willingdon. Incidentally, Willingdon is not usually considered part of Eastbourne - it's actually governed by Wealden District Council - though the distinction is certainly vague for many purposes. - IMSoP 01:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: willingdon is considered part of eastbourne. and yes i agree... the only part of brighton uni i can think of is in meads. Swedishdave 00:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brighton Uni 

message: Reorganising the article would be a good next step towards featured article status. It has already been suggested that some section contents overlap, so we need to merge and reduce these. I hereby put forward the following section headings as the ones we want to have in our final article. This is basically a summarised list from How to write about settlements.
* Intro - Brief summary
* History - Early history (Stone, Iron, Bronze, Roman); important surviving historic buildings
* Geography - geology, landscape, climate. 
* Transport 
* Districts
* Economy - Major industries and employers (including tourism) - include statistics.
* Culture - Arts, media and sport. Local theatres, radio stations and sports teams. Associated artists and musicians.
* Politics - Makeup and activities of the local council and Westminster representation.
* Demographics - census data, population change, age structure, race, religion, etc etc
* References: We should be citing sources throughout the text using the footnotes markup.
* External links: Links should give the reader more information on the place. Business directories are not very useful. 
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The article now follows the above guidelines. MortimerCat 16:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Headings  

message: This is my first edit and I apologise for any breaches in convention.  As you see, I’ve added additional details about WW2.  The existing article suggested that bomb damage was due to the jettisoning of bombs by returning aircraft.  Although this did happen on occasions (16 Aug 40 for sure and probably 31 Mar 44), it should not form the main thrust of the account. 
Mikeo1938 09:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWII Bombing 

message: The main failing of the Eastbourne article was the lack of references. Officially every fact must come from another source and we need to say what that source was. To do this we use the  markup. For example we write  Eastbourne is in Englandhttp://www.multimap.com
This appears on the final page as Eastbourne is in England1
The information can come from books, newspapers, websites etc, but full details need to be given. Authors names, dates, publishers ISBN number etc. There are a range of templates on Wikipedia:Citation templates that can be used. If you are not sure what to do, put the source information on the page anyway, another editor will tidy it up for you.   MortimerCat 12:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Images of England there are over 100 listed buildings in Eastbourne - if might be worth checking if these (at least grade I & II*) are worthy of mention. I've done the Congress theatre as an example. — Rod talk 22:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Interesting point. I have not been able to find an answer in Wikipedias policies MortimerCat 13:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I found the guidelines :Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context MortimerCat 14:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A quick lesson in citing references 

message: : According to Images of England there are over 100 listed buildings in Eastbourne - if might be worth checking if these (at least grade I & II*) are worthy of mention. I've done the Congress theatre as an example. — Rod talk 22:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images of England

message: I have seen lots of other articles relating to Eastbourne. Beachy Head,Eastbourne railway station,Hampden Park, East Sussex,Eastbourne Borough F.C.,Langney Sports Club,Langney,Eastbourne Buses. Should we be removing information from the Eastbourne article that is duplicated in these sub articles?  MortimerCat 11:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting point. I have not been able to find an answer in Wikipedias policies MortimerCat 13:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I found the guidelines :Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context MortimerCat 14:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Comments 

message: You may have noticed, I have crossed out all comments relating to work already completed. Hopefully, this makes it easier to see what items still need to be addressed.  MortimerCat 19:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work so far 

message: Although the unused bandstand is a better quality photograph, the bandstand in use picture is showing the purpose of the bandstand. Bearing in mind this is an encyclopedia, not an art gallery, I think the bandstand in use is providing the reader with more information. MortimerCat 01:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bandstand Picture.