Talk:Cathy McMorris Rodgers

message: I transferred the map of the Fifth Congressional District of Washington from George Nethercutt because, after all, he's not using it anymore. Nevertheless, a portrait of McMorris seems more appropriate here. --Calton 07:02, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: District

message: More than half the article is a mainly unsourced "voting record." Wikipeidia is a list of information. If particular votes are notable they should be addressed with descriptions. It was a copyright-violation of *McMorris' voting record maintained by the Washington Post.Arbusto 02:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Voting record

message: Cathy was recentoy married and took a double last name. the clerk of the house website even has her lister as Cathy McMorris Rodgers. should we change it here--Bohouse 18:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I'd like to point out that  is white washing this page and her alma mater Pensacola Christian College. She is scheduled to give the State of the Union response. Six minutes after the IP's last edit,  made his/her first edit on Wikipedia which continues in the same manner of removing properly sourced material.
The IP over the last several months has removed negative information, such as Rodgers "vot[ing] against the Lily Ledbetter act, which is aimed at protecting women from pay inequalities in the workplace" while he/she adds in material about the birth of her child or where she attends church.
I am bringing this to editors' attention as that has been making misleading edits and removing WP:RS without justification. This must stop. RobinBnn (talk) 21:34, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: See the above section for a list of Washington DC IPs and Washington State government IPs white-washing the page. RobinBnn (talk) 16:09, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a great catch RobinBnn. I have recently encountered a similar problem (whitewashing) with a US-G member (on the Democratic side, but no less inappropriate). Unfortunately, I lost that struggle because they were far too committed to whitewashing but I'm game to get into this one. I support reinsertion of the reference to the Ledbetter material - this was a well-publicized piece of legislation and including it is fundamental to a good and comprehensive WP article on a sitting member of Congress. BlueSalix (talk) 18:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington DC IP white-washing this page and her religious alma mater 

message: Mention of it needs to be changed as it is now accredited but wasn't at the time. Dougweller (talk) 10:07, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. I cited The Chronicle of Higher Education on its uniqueness with rules and lack of accreditation, and then mentioned 2013 TRACS accreditation. The type of accreditation does need mentioned because TRACS accreditation is not regional accreditation, and many employers and universities don't recognized the credits. RobinBnn (talk) 15:30, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we delete the line "one of the strictest" ... my first impression by that phrase in the context of an academic institution is it's one of the most rigorous, but apparently they literally mean "strict" as in draconian punishments being meted out. (Or am I misunderstanding this?) BlueSalix (talk) 18:50, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

text: The single most important aspect of an institution of higher education is accreditation. It is what separates a school from a diploma mill. There is no question that PCC was unaccredited when McMorris attended. The source is The Chronicle of Higher Education, a publication that is very reputable on higher education, and discusses PCC's lack of accreditation. A source doesn't have to mention McMorris to be included in wiki article about McMorris. As you have seen, at least four editors agree with inclusion. RobinBnn (talk) 05:41, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no question that The Chronicle of Higher Education is a first-rate source, and I do not question it. I question the relevance of this material to McMorris.  Gamaliel (talk) 05:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree.  If the NYT, for example, made the connection that she attended a school that was uncredited, well then it's fair game.Two kinds of pork (talk) 05:46, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Accreditation is an important issue. It is relevant and sourced. I can repeat myself as well. RobinBnn (talk) 14:46, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

text:  I don't know if the NY Times discusses it, but here it is mentioned by the Washington Post: "She is a graduate of Pensacola Christian College, seen as one of the more socially conservative Christian institutions. The Florida college was previously opposed to accreditation but reversed its position and was accredited in 2013." RobinBnn (talk) 22:27, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pensacola Christian College 

message: Does the lede really need to mention she is "one of three female U.S. Representatives from her state"? It really seems out of place in the introduction and I'm not even sure its worth mentioning in the article. Whether she is one of three, one of four, one of six, one of nine, or eight of eight, it doesn't give substance to any point. RobinBnn (talk) 16:03, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should stay- Washington has one of the highest male-to-female ratios in the House (not to mention being one of the first states to have 2 females serve as Senators at the same time) and both Rodgers and Jaime Herrera are noteworthy and most media recognizes her as "the most powerful ***women*** in the House." PrairieKid (talk) 16:55, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, but the article doesn't say that as it is currently worded. If you want to mention "Washington has one of the highest male-to-female ratios in the House" it belongs under her "U.S. House of Representatives" section, not the lede. That she is a Republican leader belongs in the lede and doesn't need to buried in a statement that she is "one of three female U.S. Representatives from her state". RobinBnn (talk) 17:13, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I (slightly) disagree with PK. While I think that's worthwhile to include somewhere, it seems very wordy. Also could we quantify that WA has one of the highest male-to-female rations in the House? There may be a source I just didn't see - if so, I apologize, but could you post it again? I'm not really passionate on this point one way or the other, though, so if you think we need to include I don't want to get in the way of progress and won't object! Either way, great work on improving this article RobinBnn and PrairieKid! BlueSalix (talk) 23:31, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of three female U.S. Representatives from her state? 

message: We already have a headshot in the infobox, so I've uploaded an "unposed" image (the one now online with Mike Mullen and Sanford Bishop) and swapped out the second headshot that was halfway down the page. If anyone passionately objects to this, please feel free to undo it. BlueSalix (talk) 23:11, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't imagine anyone objecting, but since there's plenty of room in this long article, I added a second headshot lower on the page.  Gamaliel (talk) 23:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Image 

message: See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boehner#Political_positions
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Cantor#Political_positions  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herp Derp (talk • contribs) 23:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there no dedicated section on her political positions? 

message: Her official biography and the Wikipedia article says her family started a farm in 1984 and she "worked there for 13 years." 1984+13=1997. In 2011 and 2014 she listed her profession as "fruit orchard worker" in the Official Congressional Directory. She earned a BA in Florida, which I'll assume took four years. She has been an elected politician since 1994. I read somewhere that the family sold the farm in the late 1990s, shortly before her father died. 
First, the problem with the claim of 13 years is someone cannot work on a farm in Washington, while living in Florida from 1986 to 1990 where she said she cleaned houses and worked at McDonalds. Secondly, since 1994 (at aged 25) she has been a full-time career politician. Considering the farm, with different owners, today employs a staff of 1 to 4 people, she can't both be a full-time farm employee and in the Washington capital. Thirdly, if she was a professional "fruit orchard worker" in 2011 that means she was a farm worker for 27 years, not 13! The farm has been sold multiple times since her parents owned it, see a 2010 ad here, which means she worked on another farm she hasn't spoken about or her biography is wrong. Fourthly, she claims to be a "fruit orchard worker" in 2014, according to the Official Congressional Directory. How does she find time to work in an orchard, while being a ranking Congresswoman in 2014? Also where's the farm? In Washington DC? The claims of being a farm worker needs clarified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred000ping (talk • contribs) 16:01, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you familiar with our core sourcing policy, "Verifiability, not truth" ... ? — Kralizec! (talk) 16:19, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, truthiness is the most important value among the wikipedos.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.4.17 (talk) 19:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
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message: Should the lead of Cathy McMorris Rodgers' and Jaime Herrera Beutler's articles include information about their early life (as seen in this edit for CMR and this edit for JHB) or not (as they currently stand)? PrairieKid (talk) 21:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC on Lead

message: These edits 1 2 3 selectively removed Rodgers' relevant accomplishments and positions that are likely to be viewed favorably by general readers and have effectively reduced the overall article down to a set of criticisms framed from an American liberal POV. The revision comment claimed that the content removed was poorly sourced, but upon inspection most of the content you removed was sourced and it's unclear why they found the sources to be problematic. I attempted to revert the changes, but someone reverted back. Please explain the objections to the sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.140.195 (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article has been edited down to a set of liberal criticisms 

message: On March 26, 2021, the title of the article was changed by Hong Kong Ian from "Cathy McMorris Rodgers" to "Cathy Rodgers".  However, I noticed that every mention of "Rodgers" on the page is preceded by "McMorris", and the same is true if you google any news article about her.  Considering that "McMorris" appears to be an integral part of her name, I don't see how it can be justified to remove it from the title.  So I plan to change it back unless someone can explain the flaw in my reasoning here.--Jamesy0627144 (talk) 20:51, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for bringing this up. I hadn't noticed the move. It shouldn't have been made. She goes by and is known as Cathy McMorris Rodgers, so that should be the page title. Any future moves to a different title should be discussed here first and not made without consensus. Marquardtika (talk) 16:44, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elimination of "McMorris" from the title