Talk:Validity and liceity (Catholic Church)

message: It's been a while since this article had been updated so I thought I'd take a shot at a rewrite.  I cleaned up the stuff that couldn't be validated and added new references. I know the concept of valid but illicit is mentioned in other articles so I'll try to link them here when I get a chance. I tried to maintain most of what was original to the article, but with fixed grammar and readability. I hope I didn't step on any toes with this reorganization. Kjnelan (talk) 21:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Rewrite

message: I need a source for the assertion that Catholics consider non-Catholic baptisms to be valid but illicit.  Also, does the balance of the weight of the sources support this assertion?
68.55.112.31 (talk) 23:02, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly true for some denominations, but definitely not for others. The assertion is too broad to stand without a good source. See extended discussion at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2013 March 26#Taking communion at different churches? --BDD (talk) 16:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: POV dispute

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This topic may be more complex than it seems. Some manners of celebrating sacraments, like Reconciliation, were considered valid at some point in Christian history, but are declared invalid by Canon Law today. What then does validity mean: in the eyes of God, of the Catholic Church, for the benefit of the recipient of the sacrament? The answer may be that God's grace is not limited to sacraments administered according to the Church's rules, but we cannot claim to be administering the Catholic Church's sacraments today unless we do it according to rites declared valid by the Catholic church today. And as loyal members of the church we should abide by her determinations. Jzsj (talk) 18:32, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is validity? 

message: A few words describing liceity might help to clarify the meaning of the phrase.
The Catholic dictionary at CatholicCulture.org
 defines the word as:
"The legitimacy of a human action and its consequences, e.g., administration of a sacrament or a contract. It is commonly distinguished from validity, since an action may be valid but not licit, as a layman conferring baptism without urgent necessity. (Etym. Latin licentia, license, freedom to act.)"
Phersh (talk) 05:33, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I revamped the article so that it now contains what you suggested. I had not seen your comment when I made my edits, so it looks like we both had roughly the same idea. Veverve (talk) 11:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liceity