Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 4

message: If I should've sent this to one of the archive pages, please move it there and leave a message here telling me.
As you already know, the castle stage has Daein crests in it, or at least something pretty darn close (Yes I've looked at them up close, and the differences are there). Anyways, the next Fire Emblem game may be a direct sequel to Path of Radiance. Would a reference to the new game help the article any, or just add speculation(which nobody wants)? --DcPimp 22:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The signs are DIFFERENT. Why would Daien get a new crest? Not related doesnt belong. Tired cant talk in anything but simple sentences.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 01:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Just checking. And I already said I know the crests are different. Sheesh.... --DcPimp 01:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything, it's probably the lost Akaneia stage that was planned for Melee, from Fire Emblem 1/3. Everyone swears it has to be from one of the new/unreleased games but never take the time to think that it might possibly correspond to the existing characters in SSB like most of the other stages.--Claude 03:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Apparently, they got that information from a forum, so chances right now are slim.(65.115.123.226 15:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Im pretty sure Akenia(sp) is from the first game.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 11:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question regarding the Stages 

message: I just went and deleted the section regarding the "Confirmed Three"(yeah right), because some Bot editor reverted the page. I didn't think Bots would give in to unconfirmed messages. Does anyone else find this strange? --DcPimp 02:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What bot? Put a comment on its talk page to inform the creators of its malfunction, incase it's not intentionally being malicious. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That's not what happened, assuming you're referring to what it looks like. The bot simply removed someone adding some random nonsense to the page, probably at about the same time you tried to remove the rumor. --HeroicJay 03:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, okay. Sorry, its just the whole Bot concept floors me. I can barely believe that they are not actual users sometimes. --DcPimp 12:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with a Bot 

message: Right... more speculation removed, it had more 1up articles as sources. Should we have a list of reliable sources that we can trust to only publish the truth? When exactly does SSBD update? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally on Thursdays (Wednesday evenings in America). You'll note the lack of update today? Yeah... the Japanese site didn't get much of anything better this week. So I guess it'll update whenever it updates. And I think the "Zelda" thing was a misunderstanding of "Wind Waker Link". --HeroicJay 18:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  And "Tera"? ; ) Should we only source things from the Dojo site, IGN and Gamespot?  Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Tetra? --HeroicJay 18:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sarcasm is a dead art... Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo. Don't forget sourcing things from Nintendo. --DcPimp 23:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dojo is Nintendo.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 13:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zelda? 

message: http://smashbros.planets.gamespy.com/
It's the second update, not sure if it's reliable though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Takuthehedgehog (talk • contribs) .
:Hmm.  I'd still prefer to be cautious and wait until it's on the Dojo, personally. 
:Also, please remember to sign your comments. :) --Sparky Lurkdragon 00:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a rumor that, unfortunately, a lot of sites are taking seriously. I guess they'd rather be wrong than be the last to note it. I have seen no evidence at all that this is real, and given the awkwardness of it (they're dropping Young Link and... adding... Young... Link?) I suspect it's false. --HeroicJay 00:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If this was legit, it would be on the official site, which has passed the point in which it usually updates (thursday), and this rumour has actually been around for over 2 weeks.  It's completely fake.
Xubelox 05:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. I also found that list of huge characters someone posted that's in the archive, the director had taken some suggestions out of the japanese entries which made him laugh. Not much progress then.. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Why are people still offering this rumor up like no one's heard it yet? The only confirmation will come from Nintendo.--Claude 08:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's fake, it was started on some forum. And damn glad I am too - removing the Ice Climbers and Game and Watch? Adding Bowser Junior? Blegh. LupusCanis 09:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for that?  If it was started on some forum, perhaps we should make note of this in the article - I've certainly heard enough about it that it's starting to feel like Melee's Sonic and Tails rumor. --Sparky Lurkdragon 21:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only even more stupid, they haven't even devised a way to unlock them. ; ) I think we should just delete any more "OMG! LINK AND RIDLEY!!!" topics without reliable sources. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I read on some forum a while back that said something to the effect of somebody is now claiming their best friend dared them to start that rumor. I don't know the whole dare part is true, but the fact someone is taking credit for starting it pretty much confirms that this is a bunch of bull(like we had any doubts as of today...). --DcPimp 01:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I heard that some gamesite thought it was real because it came from a Nintendo forum (don't know if it was Nintendo forun, N-Insider, or a Smashbros forum), that's where the rumor started according to some people. (65.115.123.226 16:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, a forum is a forum. It doesn't matter what forum the rumour orginiated on. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 17:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, they're getting a bit tiresome. (Though honestly, playing as Miyamoto would be awesome.) -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 17:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 new characters announced and 3 not returning 

message: I've seen editors shooting this around for a while.  Take the following sentence, from Section 1: Comfirmed Characters, under Solid Snake:
:His symbol is that of Hideo Kojima's new development team, Kojima Productions, which was taken from the fictional organization FOX in the Metal Gear Solid series.
Some people put down "FOX," but others believe it's "FOXHOUND."  Could someone with clear knowledge of Metal Gear Solid please put this to rest?--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 20:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is indeed FOXHOUND. -- Steel 22:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's true that Solid Snake was a member of FOXHOUND. However, I am 100% positive that that isn't the FOXHOUND logo. Both of the FOXHOUND logos can be viewed on the FOXHOUND entry; as you can see, Snake's Smash Bros. logo is not present. While it doesn't make logical sense that Solid Snake would have the FOX logo, as he was never in that unit, it is indeed the FOX logo (as well as the Kojima Productions logo). My guess on why they chose this logo: it's closer to the other SSB character logos, since it's only a silhouette. -- ShadowRegulus 00:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Snakes logo is the FOX symbol. FOXHOUND's symbol is a fox with a knife in it's mouth looking forward.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 13:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Mind you that the FOX logo most probably dated from after MGS2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if this is the case, then FOXHOUND might as well has this very same logo, although it never is shown (because it dated from before the prequel).--GaryCXJk 23:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FOX(HOUND) 

message: I have seen many sites use the suffix "X" instead of/in addition to "Brawl". Is this the new official name, or is it just the Japanese name (similar to how Melee was "Deluxe" and "Nintendo All-Star!" for the original)? The S 02:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's clearly the Japanese title. Why would they change the English title into something Japanese?--Claude 03:27, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That's the Japanese title for sure. It was mentioned in some interview or such; it's probably mentioned on the long thing on the Dojo. Brawl is used as the English title seemingly as a continuation from "Melee". -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: About using Japanese in an English title, ask Atari, who has used Japanese in several Dragon Ball Z titles, where there was no Japanese in the Japanese title (other than English words transliterated to Japanese, such as "Doragon Boru") The S 04:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Except this isn't Atari or Dragonball Z.--Claude 06:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text: To clear up any confusion, it is in fact the Japanese-only title, similarly to how Melee was really "Deluxe" in Japan. -- Masamunecyrus(talk)(contribs)  14:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dairantou Smash Bros. X? 

message: I would like to see more screenshots in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.66.135.170 (talk • contribs) 
:The screenshots we have now are fine.Sukecchi 16:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want more screenshots, then you should create an account, and upload some. This is an open wiki and anyone can edit and improve it. Watch out for copyrights, though. -- Steel 16:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't need anymore screenshots though. The ones we have now are the result of an image clean-up. The whole reason we did the clean-up was because we had too many. The ones we have now show the most important things in the trailer.Sukecchi 16:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't worry about that. It was a good start you discussed before uploading, most people just upload and then get their additions reverted. -- ReyBrujo 01:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshots 

message: Any particular reason this was locked? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 10:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason given by AmiDaniel was "Vandalism from multiple anons", see the page history. -- Steel 10:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict) It's currently s-protected to deal with vandalism, of which this article has been getting quite a bit. We tried unprotection for about a week, but the vandalism became unmanagable again. AmiDaniel (talk) 10:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's never been protected... Highway Rainbow Sneakers 10:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was semi protected on the 21st May by the looks of it. -- Steel 15:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, not to sound like User:Jimbo Wales on George W. Bush, but maybe this page should be full-protected all the time, being dropped of protection whenever there's a good update from that one Smash bros. site, and then re-protected afterwards, and we keep doing this until the release of the game in Japan. Yes, this is slightly sarcastic, but what can I say? I'm Erik the Appreciator 18:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The vandalism wasn't as even as bad as Pokémon,  and it's not even protected anymore! I think the newbs need to earn their vandal whacking sticks one way or the other. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I get a kick out of the Pokemon vandalism.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 16:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye. I just think that it should continue to be semi-protected from IP addresses and what not (as apparent from the tag at the top of the article) from here on out until the physical game is actually out in Japan. People can speculate forever if the game takes forever to make, so semi-protection seems ideal because, realistically speaking, any of the updates from the director at his site are the only real information we'll be getting, and that can be handled by most of the rest of us users. Erik the Appreciator 18:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But how can we protect any page that may be susceptible to vandalism and then question potential syops about a lack of vandal fighting? "Their isn't any". I think Jimbo has over stepped the line here, reversion is better than prevention is some circumstances. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And us "users" can have serious problems, I wrote a paragraph on Kirby about a week ago, and it dropped from near on "fantastic prose" to that of a 11 year old fan guide. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Eh, okay, it's your loss. But good luck with keeping up the sanity while keeping out the speculative fancruft.Erik the Appreciator 18:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bear in mind semi protection shouldn't be used as a pre-emptive measure against vandalism, nor should it be used to prevent edits from IPs either, per policy. -- Steel 18:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, okay. In that case, I'll consider helping out with the vandalism removal patrol at this particular article over the next months. Erik the Appreciator 18:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: In the hour and a half it's been unprotected, we've had 0 acts of vandalism. And please remember that protection is a last resort for highly vandalised pages, it shouldn't be used for long periods of time for the sole reason to prevent edits from IPs. -- Steel 22:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The page is highly vandalized, and it happens over a long period of time, not a short one. With every new rumor comes a flood of people ready to edit these rumors into the page, which usually leads to an edit war when they can't accept the fact that unverified rumors have no place here. This page has and will continue to be vandalized, and it's only going to get worse as the hype surrounding the game increases.--Claude 00:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's all remember that this isn't the only page that gets vandalised. Many pages here have it much worse. -- Steel 15:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which doesn't change the fact that this page still gets vandalaized. There's no rule or procedure that says only one page on all of wikipedia can be protected at a time.--Claude 19:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yeah. Of course there isn't. I never said there was. -- Steel 22:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: How come the stages and items section have a header that claims there is fictional information in the articles? I read through both of them and could not find any fictional claims. Tbkgm79 22:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It says that contain unverified information, which is true. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It also says it may contain original research, which it doesn't. If the section itself say that they something it is mentioning has not been confirmed, shouldn't that negate the need for the header? Tbkgm79 22:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is speculative. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 06:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional Information 

message: Before I get into a potential edit war over this, should we have the Japanese names of the characters at the start of the character sections? I think it looks better, the characters are Japanese anyway. Thoughts? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that would make it look more official to visitors. And it'd look neat Supermariorobot 20:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put it back in (it got removed) but I didn't want to start a flame war. (And we aren't official ;) Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't it rather redundant when the nihongo is already on their own articles? ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 21:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well they have information here, the name is pretty important. And we need as much enclyopedic style as we can get, I wrote good prose a couple of weeks ago and it's been trashed. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nihongo 

message: The following is a quote from the bottom of the english Super Smadh Bros Dojo website, I'm sorry to say that I have to temporarily stop updating this website as of June, 2006.   
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- When Super Smash Bros. Brawl is completed sometime in 2007, I plan to post more information for you. For right now, though, I need to focus on the development of the actual game.   
- Of course, if anything newsworthy comes up, I may decide to post some special notices...   
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- Meanwhile, though, I'll just do my best to complete the game.    
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- Masahiro Sakurai  .
Yeah it's a bummer.
(Please Don't Delete This.)
:This won't be deleted, I'm sure... not if we look at Sakurai's message and realize the important stuff relative to the article: That a continuing stream of information about the game to the public, if that stream has not been wholly terminated, will likely be very sporadic, meaning that the article won't be getting any good new stuff en masse for a long while now. It looks like all the spotty information we have currently will be all the information we will have until around the game's Japanese launch, when the article can actually be fully written and the speculation ends. Not to sound dismal, but this amounts to having simply no need to come to the article in hopes of adding solid information, leaving only the speculation that's been plaguing the talk-page open and perhaps some issues of page layout. All we can do is continue to prevent the speculation and hope surprise updates do come from the Dojo site. *now ducking for cover* Erik the Appreciator 02:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted it earlier, and people were just shouting, "OH My GUD!!!!1!!!!!!!" so I trashed it. Regards, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 06:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IZ J00 F0r ReeLZ HighwayCello!!!@!!1! (But seriously, I know I just re posted it.). Asparagus,Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 00:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No More Updates For Dojo 

message: Should we add the 3 characters for the time being? Dojo will not be updated until the game is released, and 2 websites have the information. Bly1993 13:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. - Zero1328 Talk? 13:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The rumours aren't truthful. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 14:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely not. Wikipedia is not a place for silly rumors.--DarkHero 15:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid these guys're right; there's tons of message boards elsewhere on the internet, GameFAQS in particular (now there's a hot spot for discussion!), and Wikipedia is all about the tangible information about games in development, regardless of whether there's a lot of it available or not. I think I know how to tone down the number of attempts to add unconfirmed information: On both the main page and this talk page (the giant sign in particular) we post easily noticeable links to the big forums on sites like GameFAQS and the Smash sites with their forums. Thoughts? Erik the Appreciator 18:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As if everybody else hadn't said it enough, Dojo is the only official, completely verifiable source.  And Erik the Appreciator, why exactly would we link to forums?  I think the big notice that HighwayCello put at the top should be good enough.  I wouldn't suggest putting such a notice on the article page, but maybe in hidden text that a misguided editor could see.  Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your suggestion.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 19:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, actually, maybe the problem I've been talking about isn't as strong as I thought it was. What I said was more of a "last-resort" suggestion stating that if you ever got sick and tired of people's attempts to post speculation on both the article and this talk page (and I've seen cases where editors post loudly that certain edits must NOT be made, but it only compels troublemakers to make just those edits), you could post links to forums as a bit of a back-up measure to prevent this page from becoming a forum. But I'd leave decisions like that up to everyone else; I'm just a suggester. And call me Erik. ^_^ Erik the Appreciator 19:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We shouldn't unload these newbs onto other sites, (like it would work ¬_¬) we should give them a re-assuring pep talk about off-topicness, delete the spam and order a block for recurring editors. Deal with the problem, don't ship it out. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Erik the Appreciator 01:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Should we add the 3 characters for the time being?

message: I read here that the new game will still be used with a conventional controller to not alienate older players.  I'm not that good with adding reverences so here's the link.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/10/super-smash-bros-brawl-revealed-for-wii-featuring-solid-snake/
--Shaliron 06:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done JQF 14:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Standard Controller 

message: You know when they had asked fans to fill the roster? The poll has ended & mabey we should have someone translate that, IF Nintendo has released the information.--DarkHero 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be valid to add, but has Nintendo released the info? Would they even before the game is released? JQF 17:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's an idea. ¬_¬ Highway Rainbow Sneakers 17:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Was that sarcastic.(-_-)--DarkHero 19:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uncontrollably so. ;) Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll Results? 

message: Call it moaning, but it would look nicer if at least Snake is at the bottom of the Confirmed Character section, seeing as he's a 3rd party, and he was announced last.
In fact, I think using the order Mario - Link - Pikachu - Kirby - Meta Knight - Pit - (Samus Aran - ) ZS Samus - Wario - Solid Snake is a better order, seeing as this is the order of appearance in the video.
This however can be problematic if more characters are announced, but at least it looks better if the characters are in the order reoccurring - newcomers - 3rd party.
--GaryCXJk 23:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, until we get more characters, either order would work fine. Erik the Appreciator 01:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefered the old way rather than this alphabetic order...it made more sense for Mario to be on top because he's the first character.Sukecchi 01:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We had it like that, which was in order of appearance, which won't help unless every single character is released in various press releases. And what's wrong with the current listing? It's alphabetical! Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my humble opinion, alphabetical only works on certain occasions. Alphabetical for example doesn't work on planets. In this case, alphabetical can work the other way. I prefer for example at least Mario to be first, then Link, then the Pokemon characters (when released), then Kirby. The video trailer also has something coincidentally, it puts Meta Knight after Kirby, who is in the same game. If there were ever to be a "right" order, it should be grouped into either old - new - 3rd party or Nintendo - 3rd party, where Nintendo is grouped by game.--GaryCXJk 02:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cosmetic change: character order 

message: Does anyone else think that it might be a good idea to include a separate section for the Toukoken  updates (currently being referred to as the Q&A section for some reason)? As in, the things Sakurai himself has said on them?  These include the possibility of the original characters not returning and there being less emphasis on characters popular in Japan. Xubelox 05:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, he's just messing with them, nothing concrete is being said. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Toukoken

message: This article states that internet play is to be incorporated into Brawl. From what I recall Sakurai stated that he would push for online play, not that it is going to be in the game. I'm quite happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think it is a guaranteed piece of information. 60.230.238.231 09:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been confirmed since E3 2005. You're free to check the sources, you knowXubelox 10:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He said that it's very difficult to implement, because of lag and synchronizing 4 players, items, etc. Not that it would or wouldn't, just hard to make. - Zero1328 Talk? 23:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty sure he specifically said that online play would be included, but just wasn't sure if it would be able to go all the way to 4-players. Back at E3 2005, this game was first announced as an example of Wii games with online play. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 00:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but remember that nothing was in the works at the time, it was announced only because it was the most wanted game to go online. Anyway, the point is, he said it will be very hard to make 4 player online play, because of what I said before. - Zero1328 Talk? 01:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the game shall be online. Sakurai(sp) said it would be hard. Their just agonna have to do work.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 15:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But what about E3 2006? Where was the mention of online play for Brawl? I know that there's incredible pressure to do so from fans and such, but I find it extremely unlikely that they will pull it off. I got my info from http://smashbrawl.com/2006/05/11/i-dont-mind-being-wrong/ which is a blog on the largest and most respected smash community online, so I trust the info from there. And if you didn't know, to run the game at 60Hz like it runs in Melee, you would need a maximum P2P latency of 15ms, which is ridiculous. Bringer 01:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no direct corellation between framerate/refreshrate and latency. I play online PC games at "60hz" and 150ms latency, and they run fine. There's this little thing called netcode that coders like to brag about. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 01:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is no direct correlation between framerate and latency. However, Smash Bros Melee currently takes input once every 60 seconds (whether it is running in 50Hz or 60Hz mode). A game like WoW works in 1 second intervals (or something like that, I don't know the exact values) but for some kind of really cool p2p system between 2 users of Smash Brawl would definitely require that kind of latency to be able to play the game with the exact frame input timing as before. Having anything less would detract from the depth of the game that we've had since Melee was released. But we're getting off topic. I've searched quite a bit to find a reliable source saying Brawl will be playable online, and can't find it anywhere. If you can point me in the right direction, I'll leave you alone =D Bringer 13:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Internet Play?

message: Code name revolution
Live Wii
*CNR also said Cubed3 reported this...Still think its probably a rumor, though...Bly1993 22:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No matter how many sources the Internet can cough up, this isn't official and not worth including on the article until Dojo comes out and says it.  And you know Nintendo's policy on rumors...they don't comment on them.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 03:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More sources for the Bowser Jr./WWLink/Ridley rumors

message: The roumors are spreading to other articles. an example, Captain Olimar.--DarkHero 15:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We should remove them, as there is nothing to substantiate the rumors.  Toukoken and any other polls have no solidity behind them.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 19:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't delete the Captain Olimar. I have the issue of Nintendo Power, and he IS the number one on the polls. (Missingno. 00:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, that doesn't have anything to do with the probability that Captain Olimar will appear on Super Smash Bros. Brawl.  He could get thousands of votes, but that wouldn't necessarily affect his chance to appear in the game.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 04:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, I'm just saying to leave it as a side note. (If Nintendo Power didn't say anything about a character, delete the rumor. Which means if it says on Sonic's profile, leave it.) (Missingno. 17:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I wish the people on the Captain Olimar page would listen to this and stop adding speculative garbage. Xubelox 21:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been trying to get them to take that section out, but the "poll" in insert-whatever-magazine-that-was has got them convinced to keep it.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 18:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should We Help? 

message: A speculation section?  What a no-no.  An "Extra" section with  more speculation?  I'm really in the mind to tear these sections out.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 04:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do note it in the talk page of whoever added it. This would let them know why it was removed, and makes it easier to deal with them if they decide to continually readd the sections. ;) -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 06:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Woops.  I was a bit tired at the time and suffering from insomnia.  :|  ShadowNinja added "Speculation," and 24.23.196.195 added the "Extra."--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 16:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections "Speculation" and "Extra" 

message: I hope people read this.  I was looking at the official screen shots of the game found on TheMushroomKingdom.net web page and saw something interesting.  There is a still from the trailer that shows Samus performing that huge blast of hers (the one right before Zero Suit Samus is introduced) and it looks like the blast blows off her armor.  So it looks likes that "unusual circumstance" mentioned in her bio on the Dojo has been more or less explained.  I'm not going to blindly add it to the article, but some feedback on what everyone else thinks would be nice. SaturnYoshi|TALK 22:49, 27 June 2006
:That breaches WP:Verifability, you've created your own theory on an idea, and it will be removed. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unknown how this would fit into actual gameplay.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 22:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

text: You're saying that when Samus does her "Super Smash" attack, she turns into Zero-Suit Samus? That's the best theory I've heard so far concerning this. 70.26.92.26 13:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are two different characters, so yes. And begone forummer! Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever!!!  You don't have to be so mean about it.  It's not like I added anything to the main article.  And just so you know, I have never participated in any kind of forum, so don't judge me!  All I wanted to do is be of some kind of help, but I guess Highway knows everything and doesn't need any help. SaturnYoshi|TALK 18:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was referring to , please read carefully. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 17:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: -*Gives HighwayC a a sheild with +20 forrummer resistence, while actually making this more "Forummish(I put that at the top of the page)*Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 03:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's okay, we can all get amped. ;) There are many different theories about this, some say that the charged beam is her SuperSmash, others think that transforming into ZSS is her SuperSmash. It could also be a mixture of the two, we won't know until the game is released unfortunately. Regards, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 11:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe, at one time, the article mentioned this little phenomenon. We could mention in a hypothetical way....but then y'all would get all "Anti-Forum" again. Lighten up. --DcPimp 14:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Samus/Zero Suit Samus

message: Is this sentence really necessary?
"which also had Bomberman, the first third-party character to appear in a Nintendo game (Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman!)."--Xubelox 19:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Doesn't really have anything to do with the article at hand.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 22:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bomberman

message: If we're going to add Kirby's voice actor, then why not all the other characters *cough*HighwayCello*cough*? It's pointless, and doesn't add to the article in anyway. Comrade Pajitnov 16:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *coughs*You can bog off*coughs* If you want to add them all, you do it. The information is sourced, there's no definitive reason to remove it. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 16:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason is it doesn't need to be there. It's not helping the article in any form. I guess this is all really pointless. Let's just keep it out for now. Comrade Pajitnov 18:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that was about as eloquently put as a half brick to the small of my back. Could you please stop talking to me like I'm a five-year old? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it be better if all the characters had the voice actor information? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it would...anyway, I say we forgive and forget about all this...if you want to add it in, fine, go ahead, I won't stop you. It was dumb of me to get upset over the internet. Truce? Comrade Pajitnov 18:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Truce. Sorry, a ton of things mounted in five minutes and I freaked. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's alright, I was at fault as well. Comrade Pajitnov 18:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If only every conflict could end like this...--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 19:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, really. :P Remember that old Revolution/Wii move war this page had between the Wii's name announcement and E3? Geez, that was annoying. RememberMe? 02:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Voice Actor Nonsense

message: I was doing a Google search of different forums a couple days ago (didn't remember the names, so forgive me for that), and about 4 or 5 had something to this effect:
It seems that Mashiro has decided to include Golden Sun protaganists Isaac and Felix, as well as the Metroid villain Ridley, and slew of new Pokemon including Blaziken and Raichu.
Some other names that came up were Vaati and Krystal. Now, I'm not buying it. And as cool as it would be if this was true, it had no sources other than one of the forums I looked at. This is just a warning. Be ready. --DcPimp 20:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While that would kick ass (Golden Sun, yay!), a forum is where people type, not gods. Unfortunatley for you, no characters have been confirmed except for the ones in the trailer. Krystal and Issac? We'll just have to wait and see. Supermariorobot 01:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did say this was a warning, didn't I? I don't believe any of it. --DcPimp 01:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another rumor 

message: Okay, let's clear this up. Are there 25 or 26 characters in Super Smash Bros. Melee? Zelda and Sheik are the same character, but Sakurai does refer to 26 characters in the original. Debate away. --HeroicJay 01:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's 26, Zelda and Sheik aren't the same character, but two characters in one. They have two completely differnet move sets, meaning two different characters. Comrade Pajitnov 14:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have to say 25.  You can't start a game as Sheik, and there are 25 character slots.  In this manner, Sheik's entire move set could be seen as a special attack of Zelda's.  Or not...really, if there are 25 or 26 characters would be something for Nintendo to announce.  But it's pretty unlikely that they would answer.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 19:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or alternatively the whole sentence could be rephrased so a specific number isn't given. "Sakurai has stated that some of the characters in SSBM might not return" or something. -- Steel 19:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like Steel's idea, and not just because he's one of my favorite comic book characters. Comrade Pajitnov 19:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The actual game says twenty-five. "Unlocked characters - 25". And I have them all. Highway Batman! 21:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't that because of the way games work though? Since Zelda and Sheik are two characters in one, they count as one character to the game, even though they can be considered 2 seperate characters. In that aspect, Melee has 25 characters. If anything, Steel's idea to get rid of the number so people don't argue about it is the best route to take. After all, we don't want to end up with a pointless edit war. Comrade Pajitnov 21:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I see it, the key part of that sentence is that not all characters may return. If anything, the number of characters in the previous game is irrelevant. -- Steel 21:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I took out the number for now. Comrade Pajitnov 22:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twenty-fix 

message: An image of Sonic in SSBB has leaked out on the internet. Nintendo has not confirmed it yet, so be on the lookout for anon edits. Bly1993 22:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That photoshop is terrible. Well, brace yourselves everyone. Comrade Pajitnov 22:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already a number of people who are convinced that Sonic will appear in the game, so I don't think this image will do anything that drastic.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 03:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: haha. that's his exact pose in a screenshot from his Wii game. definately a photo-manip. had it been higher quality, it probably would have been obvious. FyreNWater 08:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Can you please sign your comments with ~~~~ ? The time you just put in does not match with thet time of your contribution. In fact, it is in the future. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 07:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Warning