Talk:North Macedonia/Archive 4

message: Hello Jiang, br clear=right doesn't seem to work properly:  I think this doesn't look that good. -- JeLuF 00:57, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it look like that now (that I've moved things around)? Yr. edit destroyed to locator map and flag. --Jiang 01:13, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's what the page looks like currently. What do you mean by destroyed to locator map and flag? -- JeLuF 01:22, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: This is what it looked like: --Jiang
Image looks fine on Camino. It may be a browser problem. Some versions of IE completely muck of page layouts on wikipedia and it is a problem with the browser, not the page. FearÉIREANN 01:45, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

text: It's not a browser issue per se, it's a width of your screen issue. The code of the page is broken, not the browser. If a new float starts before the last one is finished, the browser has to but it left of the first float. -- JeLuF 01:54, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

text: The code isn't really broken either. It's a font size issue. It should look OK for most people, but if you have a sufficiently small font, then the new float starts too early, and then this happens. To avoid this, the map could be left-aligned, but then you can get other problems if your screen is too narrow. --Wik 02:05, Nov 17, 2003 (UTC)
The same problem occured on among other pages Robert Mugabe. People on IE got images clashing with text, images colliding with each other, etc. No-one else did. When IE users fixed the images according to the way their browsers showed them, they promptly made a mess of everyone else's page. An edit war was the result until it was copped on after a couple of hours that it was the browsers (in that case a specific version of IE) that was the problem. This was only shown when copies of how the page looked on different browsers were shown and compared and it was found to be a broswer problem. IE (certain types) also misreads some caption commands and other tags, leading to the abandonment of some commands entirely as they were producing different pages on IE and other browsers. FearÉIREANN 02:01, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Image Layout

message: #Unaccustomed as I am to finding myself on the same team as Jiang, he has made a genuine contribution to this debate, and does not deserve to be called a troll by an anonymous user whose behaviour has been as trollish as anyone else's in this long, tedious and pointless exercise in competitive pedantry.
#How can it be POV to call something by its real name? 
#Can we nominate Vergina to be banned?
Adam 13:19, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Three quick points:

message: I think a lot of us are missing the point: the title of the article does NOT have to be the same as the name of the country. For example, there is a China article as well as a Republic of China article.
:A better example is Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which no-one except Turkey recognises at all, which sends Greece and Greek-Cyprus into paroxysms of rage, and yet which we are perfectly happy to have an article about under its real name, with no objections from anyone. I find this curious. Adam 14:52, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: This is totally irrelevant IMO. The "Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus" (an illegal regime), has not agreed to be called with a name other than that internationally. FYROM has agreed to that name. 193.195.0.102 18:31, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

text: We also have articles for Somaliland and Puntland.  Daniel Quinlan 16:39, Nov 17, 2003 (UTC)
Indicate your preferences with the 3-tilde thing. Note that these issues won't necessarily be decided by Wikipedia:voting.
===Where the article should be===
Note that you can sign more than one option!
*The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia - Uncle Ed, 193.195.0.101,Vergina FearÉIREANN
*Republic of Macedonia - Uncle Ed ,Rmhermen, Zundark, Jiang , dml, Dori, Daniel Quinlan (my second choice)
*Macedonia (country) - Daniel Quinlan
*Republic of Macedonia (with disclaimer in the first sentence) -Delirium, Jiang (it's not necessary to include this option in the poll!) (so no title for the article, Jiang?)(what?? why list ROM twice in this poll? we can settle this after we decide on it)
*FYR Macedonia-Vergina
Total of approval votes for each article title:
*The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia = 4
*Republic of Macedonia = 7 (plus Adam would be 8)
*Macedonia (country) = 1
*Republic of Macedonia with first sentence disclaimer = 8 or 9
*FYR Macedonia= 1
By a factor of about 2-to-1, Republic of Macedonia is the most accepted option for the title.  The disclaimer is already present and adds an additional approval vote.  Is it really going to be productive to continue discussing this?   Opinions seem quite deadlocked.  Daniel Quinlan 03:58, Nov 18, 2003 (UTC)
===What the name of the country is===
*The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia - 193.195.0.101,Vergina, Daniel Quinlan (in certain contexts involving Greece) 
*Republic of Macedonia - Rmhermen (see their constitution), Zundark, Jiang, Dori, Daniel Quinlan (most correct)
*Macedonia (for short) - Daniel Quinlan
* It isn't Wikipedia's role to name the country, merely say who says name 'x', who name 'y', where and why - FearÉIREANN, Martin, Jiang, 193.195.0.102, Uncle Ed,Vergina 
===Region name question===
The land known from ancient times as "Macedonia" has been split into two parts, right?
* True: Greece has the southern portion, and FYROM (or ROM) has the northern portion -  
* Not quite just two countries from what I've read: Daniel Quinlan, 193.195.0.102 (90% is still in Greece, the rest - vitola/monastiri - is in FYROM), 
* False: The vast majority of it is currently in Greece.  A small portion is in FYROM. The rest of FYROM was ruled by Macedonia, but was not part of the original kingdom of Macedon. --Delirium 20:28, Nov 17, 2003 (UTC)
*Confused Delirium:The rest of FYROM was ruled by Osman Kosovo!! NOT by Macedonia.  Vergina 23:29, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name vs. country name vs. region name

message: The land known from ancient times as "Macedonia" has been split into two parts, right?
* True: Greece has the southern portion, and FYROM (or ROM) has the northern portion -  
* Not quite just two countries from what I've read: Daniel Quinlan, 193.195.0.102 (90% is still in Greece, the rest - vitola/monastiri - is in FYROM), 
* False: The vast majority of it is currently in Greece.  A small portion is in FYROM. The rest of FYROM was ruled by Macedonia, but was not part of the original kingdom of Macedon. --Delirium 20:28, Nov 17, 2003 (UTC)
*Confused Delirium:The rest of FYROM was ruled by Osman Kosovo!! NOT by Macedonia.  Vergina 23:29, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Region name question