Talk:American goldfinch

message: This is my favorite kind of bird!! Swannie 21:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mine too! Hey jude, don't let me down 23:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: older entries

message: The range map in the taxobox needs a legend explaining the colours. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 01:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Hey jude, don't let me down 01:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  General points 

message: Hi, I hope you don't mind me rearranging things a bit but this creates heirarchical sections and subsections. Started a copyedit. There is some good stuff around and I will look later but gotta crash now. Article needs a taxonomy section  -who named it, when, what's it related to (genus), is it related to English Goldfinch (not), subspecies. I have put taxonomy above description as it usually has stuff on names etc. See Common Raven, which is at FAC now, and Kakapo, an FA. These may be helpful. 
Looking good though and I'd have thought would be qualify as a GA pretty much now. cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 14:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all the help, I don't mind at all! I added a taxonomy piece; it's pretty short, though. What else should be added besides the meaning/origin of the name?  --Jude 20:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: There are a number of websites that reccomend ways to attract them to one's yard, and there are apparently feeders designed specifically for them/ other finches. Which section should that be under? - Jude 00:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: New section at bottom Relationship with humans cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 00:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good - probably needs to be a little longer - anything else to embellish? cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 04:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

text: In Australia there are big issues with feeding of birds and many environmentalists oppose the idea - are there any similar controversies in the US? cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 04:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are charges that it favors particular species and can lead to inflated populations of the favored species, and also that it has the potential to spread disease through avian populations.(There's a Wall Street Journal article about it mentioned in the Bird feeder article, so I'll look it up) It isn't hugely controversial, but it's debated. --Jude 12:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, all this is good. Gotta sleep now (late here and winter is kicking in and I feel a cold coming on...)cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs
===Style issues===
The article should easily pass GA..but I think FA is a goal on the horizon and there are a few things which will need tweaking (and may be pointed out for GA). Many paragraphs are short, with one- or two-sentences. I have comibned a few which were straightforward but there will need to be some more done. The idea is to make flowing text. The 3 paras regarding moults and sexual dimporphism need a rejig to smoothe the flow and reduce repetition. This can be tricky with several points referring to several others. Anyway, there are a few bird FAs to compare it with. Once it passes GA there aresoem good copyeditors who can give some further pointers and ideas. cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 12:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I combined some of the information on the moults. I expected that I would be able to find some sort of folklore or cultural reference about the goldfinch, as it's relatively eye-catching and so forth, but I haven't been able to. -Jude 19:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, maybe there is none (?) cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 20:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently so. Jude 22:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Further ideas.
#. Any info on how long babies take to fledge and how/if they are looked after?
#. Under subspecies - in Common Raven we bolded the subpsecies common names and didn't have them in parentheses, but I'll leave it up to you whether you want to change it.
I think with content is just about done. I'll ask Circeus to see if he's got time for a look-over as he's pretty through. cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 02:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I added a bit on the fledging of chicks. The chicks are fed by parents even after they are able to fly, which was unclear before. I changed the subspecies list to match that of Common Raven, and changed the second intro paragraph so it doesn't start the same way... I don't know if it's odd to start with "The plumage color...."; I suppose it could just be changed to "It changes in color". -Jude 19:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Looking good

message: *[this] looks fascinating. Love all the evolution and DNA stuff. 
*add some range and descriptors of subsp (see Common Raven) for example. 
*was put in genus Spinus for a while, why the change? 
Will try to look into a few of these myself. cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 03:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: more points on taxonomy

message: The article should easily pass GA..but I think FA is a goal on the horizon and there are a few things which will need tweaking (and may be pointed out for GA). Many paragraphs are short, with one- or two-sentences. I have comibned a few which were straightforward but there will need to be some more done. The idea is to make flowing text. The 3 paras regarding moults and sexual dimporphism need a rejig to smoothe the flow and reduce repetition. This can be tricky with several points referring to several others. Anyway, there are a few bird FAs to compare it with. Once it passes GA there aresoem good copyeditors who can give some further pointers and ideas. cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 12:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I combined some of the information on the moults. I expected that I would be able to find some sort of folklore or cultural reference about the goldfinch, as it's relatively eye-catching and so forth, but I haven't been able to. -Jude 19:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, maybe there is none (?) cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 20:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently so. Jude 22:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Further ideas.
#. Any info on how long babies take to fledge and how/if they are looked after?
#. Under subspecies - in Common Raven we bolded the subpsecies common names and didn't have them in parentheses, but I'll leave it up to you whether you want to change it.
I think with content is just about done. I'll ask Circeus to see if he's got time for a look-over as he's pretty through. cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 02:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I added a bit on the fledging of chicks. The chicks are fed by parents even after they are able to fly, which was unclear before. I changed the subspecies list to match that of Common Raven, and changed the second intro paragraph so it doesn't start the same way... I don't know if it's odd to start with "The plumage color...."; I suppose it could just be changed to "It changes in color". -Jude 19:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Style issues

message: Thank you for nominating this article as one that may meet the Good Article Criteria. As you will see I have put the article on hold at this time.   My comments are as follows:
#Articles that focus on a topic specific to a particular English-speaking country should generally conform to the usage and spelling of that country. Because this bird is exclusive to North America (mostly the US) all spellings should therefore conform to American English.
#When placed at the end of a clause or sentence the ref tag should be directly after the punctuation mark without an intervening space,[3]  The same is true for successive ref tags.[2][3] Please ensure that this is consistent throughout the article.
#Please endure that all references are formatted correctly, preferably using the appropriate citation template
#Link Linnaeus, gregarious, alarm calling, spiderweb , caterpillar silk, regurgitated, fledging, birders, moult however is overlinked (note molt in A.E.)
::Done but there is no page for gregarious, nor caterpillar silk - funnily enough, caterpillar has a redlink to gregarious too.cheers,  Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 23:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that it would be more appropriately placed next social behavior than with reproduction, as it refers to aggressiveness which contrasts with gregarious behavior during the rest of the year. If you really prefer that I make the change, then I will do so. --Jude 00:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

text: A few minor things still need fixing, mostly references (#3 above), which will have to be fixed anyway if you plan to take this to FA:
# The year needs to be fixed on a number of references. Retrieved on 12 April, 200&., Retrieved on 13 April, 200& 
# The correct formatting for Ref#15 is:  
#This is the correct format for the "Further reading" book: 
# This following is funky, please make the references consistent. "
*  Database entry includes justification for why this species is of least concern" 
# How about gregarious?
# "The hatchings develop quickly, first opening their eyes after three days, and completing the growth of olive-brown juvenile plumage after 11 to 15 days after hatching,"--Remove “after hatching", sorry if this wasn't clear
# An em dash looks like this: "—" not like: "–". In the bottom editor box, with the symbols and characters below the line "Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license. It will be deleted." there is a line that says "Insert" the second one in is an em dash.
Should be easy enough, and other than that the article looks great. Also, Jude, the breeding season/nesting/aggressive change I suggested above is not required, its okay as it is.--DO11.10 22:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have passed the article. Good job! Keep up the good work.--DO11.10 00:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: Congrats on bringing this to FA, to all who contributed. Cheers, Corvus coronoides 18:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congratulations! 

message: According to the article, this bird "was initially included in the genus Spinus, a group containing New World goldfinches and siskins, but in 1976, Spinus was merged into the genus Carduelis as a subgenus." I spot-checked several published field guides, most of which now use the genus Carduelis, though online resources are mixed, and may use one genus or the other. If Carduelis is now the official genus, why not use it in the article? PlaysInPeoria (talk) 15:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: (very belatedly) good point...now changed as IOC name is C. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:09, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *also Spinus was a disamb with no core article! Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 11:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genus 

message: I thought featured articles, and maybe all articles linked to on the "front page," were routinely locked while they are on the "front page," to prevent precisely the kind of absurd game that's been going on today, with one (probably) or more vandals repeatedly changing this article and several of us trying to change it back.  Everyone else seemed to be trying to find the vandalism and correct it, and in the process missed some; I reverted to the last version before the vandalism began.  But of course WHILE I'M TYPING this it's probably been defaced again.
I wonder what would happen if there was a magic spell that kept everyone with an emotional age of 4 or under off the internet.
Gms3591 (talk) 10:43, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been a tradition of keeping the page unlocked unless a super-obvious vandalism target. I would not have thought that of this one. Will take a look at the history. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locking? 

message: I don't really understand what "full Canadian border means". (Spouse doesn't understand it either.) But I do know that American Goldfinches winter in Nova Scotia – Godfrey gives their winter range as "southern Canada". Modal Jig (talk) 15:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a link to Hinterland Who's Who – American Goldfinch. See the range section. (I don't want to mess with a featured article.) Modal Jig (talk) 15:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winter range and "full Canadian border" 

message: I don't think the account of the goldfinch's habitat is quite complete. They do frequent urban areas, such as my back yard right here in Ann Arbor. I did a quick search trying to document that, but I don't have time to do it right. I hope someone else will look into this.98.243.173.66 (talk) 14:03, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Habitat 

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replies: text: SandyGeorgia, I have the book, so that was easy Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:50, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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