Talk:Édith Piaf

message: Isn't it a bit precious to use "É" all the way through?  Accents are usually omitted from capital letters in French; one can use them, but why do it here? --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 21:36, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Here in the English Wikipedia, I think it makes sense to use the same spelling as in the French. Your question is still valid for the French article, though. (I wonder if my local library has a French paper encyclopedia?) Abu ari 08:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Accent

message: Where should technical errors like the date of Edith Piaf's death being reported as the 10th at the top of the page and the 11th further down in the text be reported? I have similar errors on many pages and would like to let someone know about them. User Alan S12:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They shouldn't be reported but corrected (that's the beauty of Wikipedia).  Where you notice a discrepancy but don't know which is the correct version, a note like the one above on the relevant Talk page will do. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 20:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Janet Flanner, in her column filed on Oct. 23, 1963 and reprinted in the book Paris Journal:  1944-1965, p.568, reports that Piaf's death occurred at 7:00 AM on a "recent Friday," which, according to my perpetual calendar, would have been the 11th.  Flanner also reports that Jean Cocteau died at 1:00 PM on the same day from "a final heart attack, provoked by the news of her demise."  The Wikipedia page on Cocteau has his death occurring on Oct 11, 1963.  Terry J. Carter (talk) 01:50, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: Wendy McNeill does a fabulous song (http://zed.cbc.ca/go?c=contentPage&CONTENT_ID=121650) about Edith Piaf.  Kind of summarizes a lot of her life. FireWorks 20:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song 

message: I would appreciate your sending me information about where you obtained the biographical information for Edith Piaf on the Wikipedia website.
It is my understanding that Edith Piaf's real name is actually: Edith Annette Gisson Holliday.  I do not believe that the name Gassion as listed on your website and a fake website with her grave marker is accurate.  Also,I do not believe that Edith Piaf was Italian as some of the surnames you have listed would imply. Further, I do not believe that Edith Piaf is related to a circus performer or a madame of a bordello. 
:According to Janet Flanner, Paris Journal 1944-1965, p. 569, Piaf's name was Gassion, and her grandmother ran a brothel.  Flanner's statement dates to Oct 23, 1963.  I can't find a Warner bio of Piaf, fake or otherwise, in WorldCat.  As Piaf performed in public as a "featured
act" from 1935 until not long before her death, I don't see how anybody could credit the idea of her having been killed during WW II.  If Warner did write such a book and if he did connect her to a relative with a brothel, that statement was not original with him.  Terry J. Carter (talk) 02:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Note written 7 months later: The above fascinatingly bizarre opinion was written in January 2006. Apparently, everybody was stunned into silence by its content, since it never got any response, at least not on this page. (John Warner?!?!?) - DavidWBrooks 22:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dear Editors of Wikipedia

message: I recently created an article for La Vie en Rose, so any contributions from people with knowledge about Edith's signature song would be appreciated - AKeen 16:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Vie en Rose 

message: It's pretty messy and unprofessional at the moment. Let's clean it up already.
Mark 23:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean this article up! 

message: There's a section with films without any explanation. Did she act in them or are they about her? AxelBoldt 07:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wondered this myself. I would say they are about her but I didn't check the full list (I would not exclude that some of them just feature some of her famous songs in their soundtrack). I have worked on this article but then lost interest. I have seen you did a nice work with the section titles. If you continue on this track I guess that will incentive me to join again :) —Gennaro Prota•Talk 14:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Probably because Marcel Cerdan appears in it. —Gennaro Prota•Talk 20:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Films 

message: someone obviously vandalized the article:
From the age of three to seven she was blind, and from eight to fourteen she was deaf and suffered from severe Androgenetic alopecia.
Wathiik 07:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandals 

message: "Today she is still remembered and revered as one of the greatest singers France has ever produced. [citation needed]"
Citation needed??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.6.130.121 (talk) 23:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The citation is absolutely unnecessary.
"Elvis Presley is still remembered and revered as one of the greatest rock'n'roll singer" [citation needed] pole25 20:25, 24 january 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.32.75.131 (talk)  
===Fact or opinion?===
I could say that I thought she was a singer whose reputation was enhanced by her premature death. That might not be true, but it is no more true to say that she is one of the greatest singers ever in France. However, a comment by a respected music critic saying that she was one of the greatest singers would make the statement more encyclopedic and not violate NPOV, which it seems to do now. 66.234.220.195 (talk) 06:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pure Idiocy 

message: I could say that I thought she was a singer whose reputation was enhanced by her premature death. That might not be true, but it is no more true to say that she is one of the greatest singers ever in France. However, a comment by a respected music critic saying that she was one of the greatest singers would make the statement more encyclopedic and not violate NPOV, which it seems to do now. 66.234.220.195 (talk) 06:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fact or opinion?

message: "Edith Bunker, the mother on the TV series All in the Family, was named after her." - when I read this in the article's intro paragraph it was a true WTF moment! --Salimfadhley 08:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant factoid deleted from intro 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Edith piaf.jpg

message: Dear editors
I just got a message that my addition of ckuik.com link to videos inspired by Edith Piaf is not allowed. Since I did not do it as to promote my website - it is a service since so many video clips there are great examples of her masterpieces - please put it back and let the visitors get the full picture.
Dr. Dafni  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadav.dafni (talk • contribs) 23:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not add this website to Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia is not a mirror of links or media files. Many of the videos you are linking to various artist articles are in copyright violation. Per Wikipedia's external links policy, links to music videos on ckuik.com are neither unique nor informative, and should not be added to Wikipedia articles./ edg ☺ ★ 23:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Put back the ckuik.com videos 

message: The place of death in this article is not the same as the French Wikipedia of Edith Piaf.
Is it normal ?
And in the movie (La Môme, 2007, Olivier Dahan), it is also showed that she died in Grasse.
Sseb22 05:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of Death 

message: Is there any particular reason why we have no image of Piaf? I thought we were permitted to use fair use ones for people, if the person is dead. - EstoyAquí(t • c • e) 14:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No image? 

message: "The great love of Piaf's life,[3] the married boxer Marcel Cerdan, died in a plane crash in October 1949, while flying from New York City to Paris to meet her" 
According to the PlaneCrashInfo database (http://planecrashinfo.com/1949/1949-46.htm), the plane carrying Cerdan was en route *from Paris* *to NY*. There must be a factual error somewhere: either Piaf was in NY at the time, or Cerdan was not flying *to* her (but perhaps from her?), or the plane was indeed flying to Paris. Does anyone know, which is the case? Kostikrus (talk) 23:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's correct. She was performing in New York at the time. Indisciplined (talk) 12:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marcel Cerdan 

message: This article: http://ngm.typepad.com/pop_omnivore/2008/02/and-the-omnie-1.html seems to corroborate the idea that Piaf did work for (even if indirectly) the French resistance during the war. The information comes from her sister-in-law, Christie Laume, who I would accept as an authoritative (if perhaps biased) source.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.171.198 (talk) 07:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWII Activities 

message: Edith's song L'accordéoniste is referenced and used in the interpretation of Alan Bennetts History .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.32.115 (talk) 20:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to work in films 

message: Has anyone any evidence that Piaf by Simone Berteaut, (Penguin 1973, ) is merely a fabrication? That Piaf and the author were NOT half sisters, and that Berteaut was merely one of Piaf's many hangers-on? If so, Berteaut still seems to know an awful lot of the 'legend' from the inside. Bluedawe 23:19, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simone Berteaut 

message: Some of the edits in this diff do not seem to be true.  The statements are not necessarily found in the sources.  Would someone please look into this?  Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 09:21, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism?

message: Why does the discography consist only of "compilations of Édith Piaf's songs, and not reissues of the titles released while Édith Piaf was active"? Is it not possible for someone to list the titles of the albums she actually made?  86.42.33.161 (talk) 17:30, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: I am just a bit confused. The article says this:
The reference it provides is a dead link, so I can't verify. But since Piaf was born in 1908, before Cavell was executed for helping the French soldiers, I highly doubt this fact is true. From the Edith Cavell article, it seems that starting in 1907 and before 1910, Cavell was matron of a nursing school "L'École Belge d’Infirmières Diplômées on the Rue de la Culture in Brussels." Cavell only began assisting Allied soldiers in 1914.
The facts of the matter are this:
* Edith Piaf was born in 1908 in Paris.
* In 1908, Edith Cavell was the new matron of a newly established nursing school in Belgium.
* Prior to that, Cavell was either training as a nurse in London (1900-1905) or working as a governess in Belgium (< 1900)
Given the above, I find it highly doubtful that Piaf would have been named after Cavell, since Cavell's wartime heroism had not yet occurred at that time.
I have tagged the reference in the article as a dead link, so that someone might try to dig up an archived version or another reference. Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 03:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The current article gives 1915 as her birth-year. I don't know where 1908 came from. Valetude (talk) 12:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Crosland bio, she was named after Edith Cavell, but I haven't cross-checked this. 94.197.12.104 (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Named after Edith Cavell? 

message: At one point the article refers to [Theo Sarapo] as Edith's third husband, but only two marriages are ever mentioned. His wikipedia article makes the same assumption.
Aebcoreno (talk) 21:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Married two or three times? 

message: Janet Flanner, in the source I have cited two/three times already and am too rushed for time to repeat, but see above, says that Edith Piaf was born on a sidewalk and that two policemen assisted in the birth.  Could it not have been possible that her mother and she were then taken to a hospital for further attention, and that a birth certificate was filled out there?  That's beyond original no-no research, it's original speculation !!!  but the answer to the birth dilemma might be "all of the above."  Terry J. Carter (talk) 02:18, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Margaret Crosland says the sidewalk story is untrue and that she was born in a hospital- I haven't cross-checked this. 94.197.12.104 (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of Birth--Sidewalk or Hospital 

message: German wikipedia explains the circumstances of her death rather well. Like other wikipedias, I think we should go for the 10th as her real date of death. Today it is 50 years ago.
Both French and English wikipedia mention the claim that she did not get a Roman Catholic funeral, because the Archbishop of Paris forbade it. However, I am old enough to remember the TV news item about her funeral and the general standstill in Paris as her body was taken to Pere Lachaise. I distinctly remember the broadcaster saying a funeral service had taken place at an Orthodox church. As I could not find that on any wikipedia, I thought my memory was faulty. A bit of googling, however, proved it was not. Photo of an Orthodox Priest Performing the Funeral Rites of Edith Piaf
Since Theo Sarapo was of Greek origin, one may wonder whether he ever envisaged an RC funeral. After all, the couple married at an Orthodox church as well. Can we be sure there really was a veto by the Archbishop? Of course, Edith may have asked for an RC funeral, and after the veto, Theo may have opted for the next best thing. Or Edith may have checked with RC priests before her death (she may have known that she would not live much longer), and have got the answer that there was a veto from the Archbishop. In any case, the fact that she did get a Christian burial anyway should be mentioned if we keep the story about the veto. --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 21:56, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this is probably worth going into a little more. From what I can see, there appears to have been some question of a Catholic funeral and clear evidence of a veto. David Bret goes into this in his book. "The Piaf Legend" and quotes a statement from Maurice Feltin, the Archbishop at the time. I can only access the book in snippet form on google books, but Feltin's statement seems to have run: "The honours that the Church reserves for its dead cannot be rendered towards Edith Piaf because of an irregular situation. Those who have appreciated the talents of Madame Piaf are deeply moved by her sudden death. Christians aware of her faith and charity will not fail to beseech divine mercy for her soul at the sacrifice of the Mass". Bret goes on to say prayers were said at the cemetery by two priests: Fr Thouvenin de Villaret, and a Jesuit, Msgr Martin. Bret's implication is both were Catholic, but given Sarapo's background it would be unsurprising if there was an Orthodox priest present too. If someone knows where to look in contemporary newspaper reports (French ones would be best) then it shouldn't be too difficult to get some further clarification on this. ANB (talk) 00:35, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death and funeral: the mystery continues 

message: Were all Nazi collaborators it seems ...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.230.179 (talk) 05:57, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jean Cocteau's Friends 

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message: Comment: this article is a shame for english Wikipedia. How it is possible that an article about Edith Piaf has in the first line that she was a "Cabaret Singer" ? It's enough to say that 70% of French artists (and of other nationalities on Paris) started singing on Cabarets, so why there's not a "Cabaret Singer" as the definition of Jacques Brel work, to use only one example? Ridiculous.
Besides that, mentioning abhorred "rumors" about her life. It's sourced, but what really does matter a "rumor" having a source? So, there's a rumor about Edith Piaf's life, a very offensive rumor, but there's a source for the rumor, so it's ok.
Ridiculous... Edith Piaf is too way important artist for having a biography of that level. Shame on Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.6.227.188 (talk) 06:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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message: let me explain.  already includes the pronunciation , in free variation with , so it is absolutely redundant to transcribe the former pronunciation separately. That’s how we should deal with these cases in Wikipedia transcriptions. American sources normally just use the same symbol that is used for phonemic , whence probably your confusion originates. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 07:59, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the information on LPD 3rd edition by John Wells:  BrE  & AmE .  This is the information on CEPD 18th edition by Peter Roach:  BrE  &  AmE  & .  These two phonetics:  ( is the same as ) and ( is the same as ).  Am I correct?  In that case, you should be adding 2 colons next to the i, as in .  It's very confusing & Wikipedia uses the BrE IPA & not AmE IPA.  NKM1974 (talk) 13:00, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I’d have to know how those sources normally transcribe  before vowels to know whether is can only be tense as you say. Can you provide me any similar examples from them? 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 13:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's a Wikipedia link Close front unrounded vowel, happy /i/ in AmE & fleece /iː/ BrE.  Since I based everything on listening/speaking & not an expert on phonetic rules, User:Nardog might be able to resolve this issue.  NKM1974 (talk) 05:17, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  what I meant is some examples that may have  followed by a vowel, to see how the sources would transcribe it. But probably Nardog knows what system they use. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 05:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

text: , it's the fleece /iː/ vowel that's missing & the happy /i/ vowel should be removed.   & , thank you for resolving this matter.  NKM1974 (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

text: So we're mostly speaking of an artificial distinction. Weak  and most likely  (though the strong variants of these should still be written with ,  and ) don't exist in AmE except on some abstract level that's inaccessible to an ordinary speaker (in RP, the final vowels of "happy" and "pedigree" can be distinct even for happy-tensers, also compare "forward" vs. "foreword"). I really wish the editors of LPD and CEPD would get their facts straight and removed the length marks from AmE transcriptions (as well as the artificial distinction between  and  - GA features only the former). Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 08:05, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: According to Stephen Bach in his Dietrich bio, and Dietrich's daughter Maria Riva in her book Marlene Dietrich, Piaf and Dietrich were lovers. Margaret Crosland mentions that Ginette and Simone Berteaut lived with her, but says there was 'no lesbian relationship' with them. I have not yet checked this with other sources. Piaf is listed in the Wikipedia list of bisexual people, so shouldn't she have bisexual women, bisexual musicians/entertainers, bisexual actresses categories?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.12.104 (talk) 16:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  bisexuality and affair with Marlene Dietrich 

message: Many other biographies on the Internet mention the birth of a daughter.
https://uofa.ru/en/biografiya-golosa-parizha-edit-piaf-sudba-malyshki-s-golosom/
Grandma Roses (talk) 12:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there no mention of her daughter Marcelle?