Talk:Power metal

message: This article is a mess. What shall "Power-Thrash Metal" be? Did you ever hear of Speed Metal? This is a mixture of Power and Thrash, "Power-Thrash doesn't exist. There are in fact also no genres called "Folk-power metal" or "Extreme power metal". I think the article was written by guys who had no idea about power metal and propably never listened to  power metal songs...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.246.190.241 (talk) 09:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the sub-genres of Power Metal... 

message: Power metal and progressive metal cross over so much how do we seperate them? I heard progressive metal has more keyboard then power metal but whats other differences?
- Very easily. most power metal bands are not prgressive metal bands, and vice vrsa. while there are similarities, they nevertheless remain two distinctive genres - 15:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Power metal & Progressive metal

message: I think some mention should be made of the possible (probable?) influence that thrash had on the origins of power metal. Indeed, a lot of thrash's speedier rhythms and stacatto riffs are very consistent with those found in power metal.
*I see it as power that is very speedy and thrash-like is speed/power metal(crossover)
*I don't think so, at least not for the European genre. Power metal originates with early Rainbow, which released their first album in 1975. Thrash metal comes from the late '70s or the '80s. In the origin of power metal definately not. In more modern power metal, quite likely, but classic metal groups that delved into speed metal (Judas Priest and Iron Maiden) probably brought those thrash-like elements before actual thrash started bringing in their influence. --72.138.133.124 03:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Power metal was not originally influenced from thrash metal even though the two genres definately can cross into each other. Both power and thrash emerged out of speed metal in the 1980's, each taking the sound in a different direction.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.156.35 (talk) 00:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash influence? 

message: I just created the page Calvaria as a redirect to Tambalacoque (it is a minor alternative name for this tree) - and looking at 'what links here' brings it up as a band as well, a more significant use of the name. Anyone who knows about the band, feel free to convert Calvaria to a page about the band, the tree link isn't important - MPF 00:55, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Calvaria

message: User:195.85.229.3's addition of the absurd paragraph "This style is not very popular in the world, because of the complexity and inner weight of its musical delivery, which makes an untrained, homosexual listener feel uneasy and harassed by the sheer power of Power Metal music" obscured attention from the rest of his/her edit. This editor seems to be asserting the definition of "power metal" expressed in Ladd Everitt's essay "How The Pumpkin Stole Power Metal" on  (scroll down; unfortunately they prohibit direct linking). I've reverted his changes, but they have some merit; I'm currently working on a compromise article. -leigh (φθόγγος) 04:55, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
-This guy needs to get his facts straight.  Rob Halford is gay, and he's been a major inspiration/contributor to this genre.  Plus, Power Metal is for everyone...and the phrase "power of Power Metal" is redundant. 67.62.112.215 19:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 195.85.229.3 dispute

message: Sorry to say, but from the bands mentioned at least half is not power metal. True's it's epic, but not fast. Only the thing there're playing with filharmonic orchestra doesn't mean, it's Power metal.
:Genre is always a tricky subject. You will likely never get everyone to reach a consensus about what bands belong or not to a certain genre, so you are better off just leaving things as they are. Over at Death metal, a long edit war ensued until List of Death Metal bands was created; there people can dump the name of whatever band they think are death metal. All that is left on the main article are the bands who truly DEVELOPED the genre, bands whose influences are impossible to deny. But since there isn't even a consensus about what power metal truly is, I find it hard to use this option here. --Sn0wflake 30 June 2005 19:56 (UTC)
I agree because Power Metal is very broad. Unlike in Death Metal and Black Metal and other Metal genres, it's very easy ubt very hard to name a band "Power Metal". Power Metal bands can have anything from Standard, C, and E tuning. The vocals also vary, some even have death grunts and such because mainly the backgronud music meets majority of Power Metal elements(like Children of Bodom). Nocturnal Rite's sounds like a Metalcore band by gutiar band and half of the style but the other half is playing in a Power Metal fashion, clean vocals, epic feel, keyboards, and other essences. Majority what makes Power Metal is the guitars, vocals, and drums style(and the inclusion of keyboard and keyboard solos) but even making the drums Hardcore and the gutiars Heavy Metal with modern distortion makes that band Power Metal. SO I agree with you on that Power Metal is a tricky genre to name.
On this topic, as well, someone (mayhaps myself) should find some authoritative source that states characteristics that define power metal. Because I Disagree that power metal must be fast. Blind Guardian's "The Bards Tale- In the Forest" from their album "Somewhere far behind" is most definitely not fast or even speedy. However, I certainly have no problem in associating Blind Guardian with Power Metal. Kamelot, a USPM band, also has multiple examples of music that is definitively not fast or speed driven but is also definitively Power Metal. Not to mention, when you really think about it (and if you've litened to their other albums as well) Trans-Siberian Orchestra is a Power Metal band. So... long story short... we need an authoritative perspective on defining the characteristics. Until then perhaps more should be added to the intro to describe how there is in fact a controversy.Aramilalpha (talk) 20:34, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: What's then speed etc.?

message: I'm removing Rainbow from the list of "examples of power metal bands" on the grounds that Rainbow have very little in common with bands normally associated with the genre (I.e. Gamma Ray, Helloween, Hammerfall, Rhapsody). To put it another way; if Rainbow should be on this list, then so should Deep Purple and Black Sabbath. And no one in their right mind would argue that Deep Purple is a power metal band. Rainbow belongs in the classic rock genre, or to a certain extent; classic metal, or even glam metal for the later period of Rainbow's existence. Lappado 13:50, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I could not agree more and I just removed it again, for the second time. Neofelis Nebulosa (??? ???????????) 9 March 2006 (my sig doesn't want to work)
True, they don't have much influence on the musical part of power metal, but their lyrics were very fantasy-based, which is present in a lot of power metal. Maybe a sentence or two should be there about bands that influenced the lyrical style in power metal/
Led Zeppelin had a few songs about mythology and the Lord of the Rings... yet they are not power metal at all. Matt714 20:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rainbow 

message: I think it might be a good idea to make a new List of Power Metal bands page for a list of ALL power metal bands, and have the list on this page changed to just a list of key artists, like on the Death metal page. Also, I agree with the idea for the influences list. (maybe I just like lists...) --Eel 02:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree, and am looking at doing something similar with the Iron Maiden page ("Band That Have Covered Iron Maiden") and also some of the larger discographies. IainP (talk) 13:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List Of Power Metal Bands 

message: Rainbow may have something, that was taken from them to Power Metal, (I think mostly, it split into DIO and Blackmore's Night, with booth have epic themes), but they are definetly not Power Metal themself... BTW Deep Purple count as inventors of Speed Metal, which is the style, from which Power progressed... So, my opinion is, that Power got direct influence from Rainbow, Deep Purple, as was said and is stated in the article - Judas Priest and Iron Maiden... DIO is primary more an influence, or a-very-predecceccor of this style... I think someone should add the "influence list" and transfer before-Helloween bands there... I could try, but now am too busy.
I think Manowar probably deserves a mention on the powermetal page. -Achates 14:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence 

message: * "power metal" generally refers to the European style
* Some consider modern American bands like (...) but others claim that the movement has ended
* Their albums Keeper of the Seven Keys, Part 1 (1987) and Keeper of the Seven Keys, Part 2 (1988) are generally regarded as a milestone of this genre.
* Fast and demanding guitar solos, however, are almost guaranteed.
* Power metal drummers generally play with two bass drums for added speed, often playing a constant stream of sixteenth notes with snare drum accents on the beat. Some bands defy this formula, but it is surprisingly universal.
I do unfortunately not have the knowledge to fix the problems myself Bryan 21:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But you still cannot say it his way. Wikipedia requires to cite your sources, and not just saying some without further explanation. Bryan 09:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel 

message: why dragon force is mentioned in this page i have no idea.  sure they are popular at the moment, but they are not a fore runner / leader in this genre.
:That's why I believe they're mentioned; they're popular at the moment, so it's a good chance people may have heard of them, to provide an example for those who read the page. --Dayn 05:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dragonforce 

message: Really, the statement that power metal is a sub-genre of heavy metal is an opinion. Wouldn't it all come from "metal" genre instead, since it's the root word of all these heavy, death, power, symphony metal bands.
:"Out of heavy metal various subgenres later evolved, many of which are referred to simply as "metal". As a result, "heavy metal" now has two distinct meanings: either the genre and all of its subgenres, or the original heavy metal bands of the 1970s style sometimes dubbed "traditional metal", as exemplified by Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath."
:From the heavy metal music page. I personally just use the term "metal", but almost everyone I've met who hasn't listed to much of it at all refer to it as "heavy metal", so I believe it's interchangeable; which is what is stated on the heavy metal music page. --Dayn 05:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: pure Epic Metal is very different from power metal, please divide the pages —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.118.237.91 (talk) 16:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy Metal? 

message: Angra is included in the erupean power metal part... But Angra is a band from Brazil!!!
:but european power metal is most popular in Europe, Japan, and some countries of South America
: SO?
:so perhaps european is a part of name of the genre, not a place where they must come from. like with the austrian school of economy.
this is correct. It's a style, not a geographic designation. Cellador certainly sounds more like DragonForce than they sound like Kamelot, and they certainly play Euro-style128.193.238.6 02:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angra? European? 

message: I'm not really sure ProgPower should be listed. Well it is true that Power Metal and Prog Metal bands manily play there. There have been a few non Prog and Power Metal bands to play there. Two of them are Epica and After Forever.
:Bands like Epica, After Forever, Visions of Atlantis, Nightwish, Elis, Krypteria etc. ARE a form of power metal. Just because they are mainly female fronted doesn't mean they aren't Power Metal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.2.209.67 (talk) 06:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ProgPower 

message: Barlow may be naturally capable of hitting notes in the baritone scale (never heard him sing bass), but he definitely sings in the tenor range at least. If the author of that section is a little hazy on the difference between the various ranges, I'm sure a google search would serve them well. It would be wasted text in here!
Simply, I posit that Barlow works in a variety of ranges through accessing head voice for the higher material and occasionally 'vocal fry' to hit both the low notes (see Dante's Inferno) and the really really high wails (Blessed Are You, at the end of the AIA version). It's not that big a deal and I frankly don't care all that much, but it might mislead some people and it is empirically incorrect. Eg. "with the ability to hit very high notes (with the exception of former Iced Earth frontman Matt Barlow". If Barlow doesn't hit high notes, no male in the history of rock has!
Good to see his name mentioned in the article though. Seminal vocalist in power metal. Baronvongoremeat 20:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple minor empirical error? 

message: Isn't it true that it was actually Ron McGovney who used the term Power Metal To describe metallica's early demo? I wonder why it wasn't included in the article in the origin of the term section(there is sadly no section like this...). So I just put it in the middle of a paragraph that delt with its beginning. Can anybody help with creating a section with more info on the term's origin?
:http://www.metallicaworld.co.uk/Interviews/1997_ronmcgovney.htm It's about half-way down the page. He claims to have invented it and dates it the early 1982. I'm not aware of any other bands using the term 'power metal' at the time. PolarisSLBM 23:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ron McGovney's coining of the term 

message: Seriously, they were speedy deleted. What a joke. They are a newer band but the fact that they were signed to a major label is a lot to say for any power metal band. I don't see how this happened without the article being tagged and discussed first. I can't believe a band who I was able to buy their album at Best Buy of all places was speedily deleted with no discussion. Perhaps somone who knows how to properley start a deletion review should do so. --E tac 22:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell, speedy deletes don't need a review, just recreate the page.  Adding more information than just a record label would help it stay around -- all past deletions have been because of non-notability.  Check the music-specific section linked on the right as well, and see what you can add (Any members formerly with other bands?  What is this album that they've released?  Do they have an official website?  Any other information on them?) to claim, and hopefully prove, the notability of Cellador. -Bbik 02:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was more info than just a record label and the article was around for quite some time. Speedy deletes don't need a review but this should not have been speedily deleted, I didn't create the article either but seriously just deleting it without any discussion is a joke, people put some time and effort into the article's creation and they at least deserves a fair chance at defending it. --E tac 07:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How long it lasted doesn't mean it met notability requirements, just that no one found it earlier.  If there was more in it and you felt it did meet the requirements, or have more to add to convince an admin it can/will, ask for it to be undeleted.  You don't need to do a review for articles that were speedied or PROD'ed according to that link, so talk to the one who deleted it, or find another admin who undeletes articles and see what they think.  If it was a mistake, it should be easy enough to undo. -Bbik 08:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I put the article up for deletion review and now it is back and currently listed as an article for deletion here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cellador--E tac 22:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cellador]]

message: What's the difference?  I don't see any clarification of that anywhere in the article.  There's a description of what European power metal is, but all the American-related parts seem to just list bands, rather than a description.  If it's going to be separated like that, the two branches need to be more clearly explained. -Bbik 02:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Symphony X are DEFINITELY a power metal and are much more than just, progressive metal (Neoclassical, Symphonic etc.).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.23.199 (talk) 20:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Symphony X are primarily a prog metal band with a bit of Europower and a lot of of American power/speed/thrash influence. I'd agree that they don't belong as an example of an Europower band from America. I'd say you could include Cellador as an example next to Kamelot though. Offski (talk) 10:17, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: American vs European

message: Under which of these sub-classifications would Britan's best-known power metal band fit? They have occasionally used the "extreme power metal" label, but here that seems to be stapled to the Children of Bodom-melodic-death-with-keyboards... very far from DF's high-pitched and epic vocals. It also seems negligent to not have them listed under at least ONE of those categories. I slid them into the "thrash-power" category--the description (high-pitched vocals and powerful guitar riffs) seemed to fit best--but anyone could, of course, change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by  63.117.64.254 (talk • contribs) 2007-07-13 18:29:16
They're definitely not thrash-power. Not even close! Come on, just compare them to the other bands listed. There's nothing special about them (except for the fact that they cannot even perform their songs live) so they belong to the european powerl metal genre  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.165.86 (talk • contribs) 2007-07-20 10:58:36
I just added them to European power because that is the only catagory they truely fit into.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.156.204 (talk • contribs) 2007-08-04 22:52:27
:I'd say the only answer is that they fit into a number of categories; they're keyboard heavy, very fast, and have high-pitched, 'epic' vocals. Still, I'd say that they're extreme power metal. I could be wrong, but didn't the band themselves use the term when describing themselves? I'm sure that could be fact-checked somehow....66.31.174.231 05:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The band calls themselves Extreme power metal, but they arn't at all. Extreme power metal is like Children of Bodom, stuff with harsh vocals and more of a death metal feel. They like to call themselves extreme because of their speed. ≈ The Haunted Angel 12:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text: They're just straight power metal in my eyes, there's nothing extreme about them aside from their speed, which just makes them fast-paced power metal.Otisbum 02:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any band that causes this much debate might as well just not be included since we have 3 or 4 good bands for all the subgenres that no one will debate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.156.35 (talk) 19:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where does DragonForce belong? 

message: What do Within Temptation, Epica, and After Forever have to do with Power Metal? Until someone can tell me why I'm take that part of Symphonic metal down. Besdies it gose into a bit of that in the Symphonic Power Metal part. Truemetalfan Oct 7th, 2007  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Turemetalfan (talk • contribs) 23:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that lyrically they discuss mythology and fantasy, though not as epic.  Same goes for bands like After Forever, Epica, Nightwish, Visions of Atlantis, Elis, Krypteria etc. They are just female fronted epic fantasy(for the most part) themed metal. Which STILL puts them as a sub-genre of Power Metal. When will people learn that it is the combonation of lyrics and sound that make a band power metal. Power Metal is very broad anyways. You can't just label a band in one genre. Oftentimes bands have multiple genres anyways. Therion is another good example. They can be classified as Black, Doom, Thrash in some songs and Power Metal in others. It varies, get over it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.2.209.67 (talk) 06:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Within Temptation, Epica, and After Forever haveing nothing to do with Power Metal.  

message: In Ian Christe's book Sound of the Beast: The Complete Headbanging History of Heavy Meta power metal is written in the context of American power metal. He mentions bands like Mercyful Fate, Manowar, Raven and last but not least Metallica. One could think this is totally wrong, but I think it's just a point of view that should be featured in the American/classic power metal section (backed up by sources). See this link to see a preview of Sound of the Beast.
Since some notable artists like Metallica (see an early metallica business cart ) and Pantera (see their album called Power Metal (album)) have been labeled power metal I think it would be fair to mention them (and others) in this article.  
Any opinions? Kameejl (Talk) 13:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure they were but that is not my point at all. I'm talking about the 'other' interpretation of the term power metal. The early 80s/classic/US interpretation of the term power metal.  Kameejl (Talk) 11:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ian Christe]]'s and the 'other' power metal 

message: If we are goint to list Extreme Power Metal as part of Power Metal and say it has the feel of melodic death metal/black metal then we might as well list At the Gates as any Influence. Sure At The Gates has jack to do wtih Power Metal but where do you think bands such as Children of bodom go there sound from. That's right At The Gates. Sure Nightwish and Edenbridge play power metal. Though Nightwish take no influence from most of the Power Metal bands and more from movies but hey it's ok to have Queen and Stratovarius as there influence. 
This whole page is supposed to be about Power Metal and we now are listing bands that don't even play power metal on the page. Either looking into the bands and where they get there influence or stop adding bands. --Turemetalfan 23:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is a mess  

message: First melodic death metal was started by bands such as Dark Tranquillity, At the Gates and In Flames. It was called the it was called the Gothenburg sound. These band Dark Tranquillity being the biggest one used keyboards in there music. 
So really all bands such as Kalmah, Children of Bodom, and Wintersun have done is take and add in other sounds well still having the Gothenburg stalye and the fact that Children of Bodom, and Kalmah are using blast beat drums in there music which is found far more in Death metal and Black Metal then in Power Metal. 
In other words stop listing melodic death metal bands as Power Metal bands. They are melodic death metal end of story. I will also add this Eternal Tears of Sorrow has nothing to do with Power Metal so way in the heck were they listed? They started off as a Gothic Metal band. Now they are playing melodic Death metal. 
This Page about Power Metal is one big mess with bands that have nothing to do with Power Metal being listed as such. It needs to be fixed ASAP. --Turemetalfan 00:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This arcticle should at least mention melodic death metal bands who show power metal influence even if it does not qualify as a subgenre in and of itself.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.156.35 (talk) 00:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop adding melodic death metal bands.  

message: I think someone from Spinefarm may have had a hand in writing that little bit about Nightwish, if you know what I mean.
Centurion Ry (talk) 22:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you here. Though I like Nightwish, even seen them live, I don't think they should be glorified THAT much. They are glorified more than Helloween and Manowar(I know they are different sub-genre's, just saying in general they are spoken of more)..sacrilege if you ask me. Rhapsody should be glorified just as much as Nightwish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.186.190.52 (talk) 00:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epic Metal 

message: Is totally bunk. Children of Bodom, Norther et al are pretty much melodic death metal. Melodic vocals *are* an essential part of power metal. I'll refrain from getting my grubby hands into the article, so I hope someone else can clean it up.213.113.161.54 (talk) 21:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Extreme Power Metal" 

message: The "extreme power metal" section used to have unsourced templates until I moved them, but it brings the point up that none of the sections actually are sourced. It seems to me that most, if not all of these sections are nothing short of OR. Come to think of it, the only power metal in this section I've heard of outside of Wikipedia is "epic metal", and that was very briefly. It seemed to be more of a way of describing the band rather than an actual genre. Unless this stuff is properly sourced soon, I'll be removing each section that counts as OR within about a week. ≈ The Haunted Angel 22:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with what you're saying, however this alone counts as original research, and we'd need to cite an actual source to keep these other genres here. ≈ The Haunted Angel 16:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Examples being one of the best ways to convey this, we should have them here... but we have to work out which bands are notable. One or two people can't decide alone which bands they think are worth mentioning or not. Genres and popularity are always POV, people will never agree completely, so let's not rush it by deleting stuff on the fly. --Ifrit (talk) 17:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Best thing would be if we could find a reputable site to cite regarding subgenres and which bands belong to them. --Ifrit (talk) 10:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Types of power metal 

message: Why does epic metal redirect to power metal? Epic metal =/= power metal. Epic metal refers to any metal  band which creates an epic or grandiose soundscape through it's music. Furthermore, this type of sound is especially prevalent in doom metal and viking metal, not power metal. So why does epic metal redirect to this article? Can someone fix this please?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.41.58 (talk) 18:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was originally a section about epic metal here but it got deleted and it's article was deleted too so it was made as a redirect to here. We could do the same thing as punk metal and provide a brief description and list genres that are common for their epic themes. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  07:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epic metal? 

message: The article is listed as requiring expansion, so what else do people need to know?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.36.61 (talk) 14:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps how Power metal is often combined with Progressive, Symphonic and Neo Classical sub genres? Well usually more than other genres (though they do exist)...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.161.104 (talk) 06:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What else is needed? 

message: There's a power metal magazine. A disambiguation for that should exist...
ClintJCL (talk) 18:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there even article for said magazine? Dab might not be necessary given the more prominent links at the top of the article. Wisdom89 (T / C) 08:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the magazine 

message: I decided to remove this section for now. I categorically object to this section being added to the article without proper formatting, tone, grammar and citations. Yes, most of the time things gradually improve, but in it's previous state it was pretty unacceptable for an encyclopedia entry. If any editors object to this removal, feel free to respond or be bold and reintroduce it. However, I implore a heavy heavy clean up first. Wisdom89 (T / C) 02:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story of Power Metal 

message: Let's remove the vandalism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.169.251.190 (talk) 15:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here's a great idea 

message: Power metal is groups like Agent Steel and Pantera (post glam era). Groups like Helloween were and always will be melodic metal/ speed metal. The whole point to power metal is it is "powerful!!" not melodic (or epic as someone above has said). This is why there is so much confusion in the discussions.
Power metal is a type of speed metal that is supposed to be full of "Power". Look on the official Helloween website and you will see that even they call themselves as "Melodic Metal". This was always the case and it still is.
http://www.helloween.org/band.html
The only thing that draws similar between power metal and melodic metal is the vocal tone is similar. Other than that melodic metal is "melodic" and tends to sounds cleaner or softer and often uses keyboards. Melodic metal very often crosses into the realms of progressive metal etc. 
As for groups like Dragonforce being power metal then they again are melodic metal. They are hardly a group displaying "power". Sure they are filled with talent and skill but that is not the meaning of "power". How come that the Pantera "Power Metal" album isn't mentioned?
Power metal is what some are now calling "speed metal". Both power metal and thrash metal have often been referred to as speed metal on various compilation albums because they are obviously played fast.
Metalosaurus (talk) 18:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most of what is what is being called "Power Metal" isn't power metal but is "Melodic Metal" 

message: I have just looked on Dragonforces official website and they also give reference to "melodic metal". So now thats Helloween, Sonata Arctica & Dragonforce who when refer to themselves they say "Melodic". Never has there ever been a reference to power metal. Obviously Helloween and Sonata Arctica have given previous reference to speed metal and Joe Stump's speed metal messiah is of the same sound. Hellween was always called speed metal back in the 80's & 90's. Never power metal.
Power metal was and still is groups like Judas Priest (starting from "Ram it Down" album), some Manowar, some Armored Saint and Pantera ("Power Metal" album).
Melodic metal is like progressive metal, Neo-classical & symphonic metal as they are all metal variations on rock genres. They are also all connected musically.
 
Metalosaurus (talk) 12:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melodic Metal 

message: Says who?  If anyone has any reliable sources for claiming that any particular usage of this term derives from Pantera's '88 album, please cite and link them.  The term itself is quite a bit older - both Metallica and Venom were using it to describe their music as early as '82.... in fact, a whole section devoted to the history of the term would be very nice, but this completely arbitrary statement in the opening paragraph has to go. 79.177.199.88 (talk) 00:31, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term "originated from Pantera's album"? 

message: Is anyone up for rewriting this to reflect the distinction between European and American power metal mentioned in the section below?  The two are fairly different, and this section seems to only refer to the European style.
Also, some sources would be nice.  The "instrumentation" section has none at all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.240.199 (talk) 01:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical Characteristics 

message: I see no valid reason to include X Japan as a Power Metal act...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.81.90.38 (talk) 02:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is X Japan mentioned in this page...? 

message: "Thor's contributions have gone largely ignored for over three decades, but the style and sound is indeed there if you research it."
Does anyone besides myself find this sentence to be somewhat galling? Not that I contest the actual message of the sentence, mind you--I readily acknowledge his contributions to the genre. Rather, the specific wording of the sentence is what I find contentious, in particular regard to 'there if you research it'. Constructs like that seem to clash with the encyclopedic prose so frequently employed in articles upon this site--it addresses the reader specifically, which almost constitutes a form of 4th-wall breaching. Should not our content be wholly based upon an indifferent, unbiased summarization of the topic, as opposed to being predicated upon the predilections of the readers/writers? Additionally, This sentence assumes something about its reader: Ignorance. Granted, it doesn't assume this for all readers, but it does assume something for every reader, even if it is different on a case-by-case basis. The article should not be concerned with the relative level of vetted research on the behalf of the reader--it should simply assert as fact, rather than enjoining its audience to bolster its allegations for it. A simple citation would suffice, as opposed to the addition of this sentence. To summarize, I feel the sentence is redundant--and perhaps even deleterious. I argue for its removal--or, at the very least, its alteration. I invite you to reply, as I would like to attain a general consensus (or dismissal) of this proposition before actually enacting it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghost Lourde (talk • contribs) 21:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some stylistic considerations 

message: * "American power metal" seems to be exactly what Speed metal article describes:
:US power metal (often abbreviated USPM) is often faster and more energetic than traditional heavy metal, with a more riff-driven approach and a relative lack of keyboard usage compared to its later European counterpart. However, it is often more melodic than thrash metal, with a greater emphasis on guitar leads. USPM is also notable for its widespread (but not universal) use of high-register operatic vocals.
Compare to:
:It is usually considered less abrasive and more melodic than thrash metal, showing less influence from hardcore punk. However, speed metal is usually faster and more aggressive than traditional heavy metal, also showing more inclination to virtuoso soloing and featuring short instrumental passages between couplets. Speed metal songs frequently make use of highly expressive vocals, but are usually less likely to employ 'harsh' vocals than thrash metal songs. 
This is literally the same music with two names in different countries. Beaumain (talk) 14:20, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Stylistically they are very similar, yes, and I agree with your assessment mostly. However it is important to note USPM alongside power metal due to its prominence in the 80s and its appearance in references in general. The location origination of the styles differ, speed metal having originated earlier on. Speed metal also is more inclined to high tempo in general, whereas USPM isn't necessarily always speed-oriented. I think it's important to discuss USPM within this article as there are many bands that are typically discussed as "USPM bands" rather than "Speed metal bands". The article is rather clear that EU power metal is more widely popularized these days, so I think it's a fair point of view. Vortiene (talk) 16:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

text: I'd like to add, try not to think of the two styles as "style exclusive to europe" and "style exclusive to USA", it's somewhat confusing in their names being where they originated, but neither style is exclusive to their place of origin anymore. I'm about to overly simplify it, but for example, think of the two as "Hard Power metal" and "Keyboard-oriented Melodic Power Metal". The names USPM and EUPM are confusing in that manner, and I don't particularly like these labels either, but they are distinct styles, so it's important to discuss them. We can't generalize all of USPM as speed metal, because bands like Manilla Road, Fates Warning, etc. don't even play with consistently fast tempos, which is a defining characteristic of speed metal. They utilize other components of power metal, like the soaring vocals, often mystical themes, and more melodic approach rather than just the speed aspect. Additionally, not containing the keyboard integration and even further focus on melody that is a feature of EUPM. Hence the differentiation. Vortiene (talk) 02:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I believe that just dividing by those two regions aren't very useful. Early German power metal such as Blind Guardian and Running Wild was just as much riff-based as the American power metal scene at the time. Also USPM has been rather obsolete since the early 90s, with just Manowar and Iced Earth gaining attention. The power metal most of us recognize is that soft approach that has reached mainstream levels, such as Sabaton and Dragonforce, and is more used by the United States these days. Though you'll still find some riff-based power metal bands such as Visigoth, but they're usually also labeled as "new wave of traditional heavy metal." To be fair, almost all of those riff-based bands aren't pure power metal to begin with; they are often augmented with an additional heavy or speed metal label. Yungstirjoey666 (talk) 15:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: "American power metal" is [[Speed metal]]

message: Their last four albums have been characteristically very close to this genre.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.251.23 (talk) 09:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Power metal influence, yes, but more or less straight-up heavy metal/hard rock/metalcore. Yungstirjoey666 (talk) 15:47, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: What about Avenged Sevenfold?

message: progarchives.com is not a reliable source since it is user generated. maybe the website has been around for decades but the website is still unreliable. Sikonmina (talk) 08:34, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:UGC]] 

message: Back in the 80s, I believe power metal was referred to more intense underground metal music in general, with Metallica's early demo and Pantera's Phil Anselmo debut album being named as such. One primary source I have was Metallica's early business cards made by former bassist Ron McGovney: https://twitter.com/RonMcGovney/status/1350934682666459136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1350934682666459136%7Ctwgr%5E7d79ad6e05cab5367045614b7a91ececcecf7003%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Floudwire.com%2Fmetallica-original-business-card-ron-mcgovney%2F.
I believe this German review of Gamma Ray from 1993 was an early example that helped defined power metal into what it is nowadays: https://www.rockhard.de/reviews/gamma-ray-insanity-and-genius_257367.html.
I am still looking onto this, but it seems like an interesting point that could be brought up somehow? Yungstirjoey666 (talk) 18:30, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original use of the power metal terminology?