Talk:Túpac Amaru II

message: It was through his father, not mother, that he was related to Túpac Amaru.  The confusion may lie in the fact that he was descended from Túpac Amaru's daughter.  His ancestry appears to be non-controversial though, with a quick internet search revealing several similar (if not identical) sources that have him as the great-great-great-grandson of Túpac Amaru
family tree from the Spanish wikipedia
page 209 of the book Shadows of Empire: the Indian Nobility of Cusco, 1750-1825 by David T. Garrett, accessible via google books here
also the following websites 123
note that while some of the websites have contradicting/missing information regarding the names of his grandfather and great-grandfather, nonetheless all link him through HIS FATHER to Túpac Amaru
Ianm1121 (talk) 02:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Túpac Amaru Descent

message: This is a little rediculous.  Tupac Amaru was a muleateer upset about an increasing sales tax and the Burbon reforms.  As such, he lead a rebellion out of self interest that got out of hand and lead to the slaughter of lots of innocent people at Sangarará.  The label should be removed. --Cadentsoul (talk) 22:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Druing the past 15 years, a dozen of studies were made to define once and for all his motives, the conclussion I beleive is that, at the beggining of the struggle, he had his motives as you mentioned, but later developed a more radical movement against any form of spanish domination, the later, the movemente became more ingigenous nationalistic-somewhat. --Andersmusician NO 03:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hero of Peruvian Independence

message: "It is clear and evident the rapper does not, in any way, (especially with all that profanity used in his lyrics) relate to Tupac Amaru."
This is grossly and egregiously incorrect. First of all, the profane content of Tupac's lyrics should not be used as a metric of his revolutionary idealism. You had might as well say that "It is clear that this article (being written in English, not Tupac Amaru's South American dialect) does not, in any way, relate to Tupac Amaru". Your logic is flawed.
Secondly, Tupac Shakur does follow in the reactionary revolutionism of Tupac Amaru II. Examine his writings and his actions and speeches in support of the American Black Panther Party.  While I agree that this article should not be about Tupac Shakur, I think it is very reasonable for there to be a short, one-line blurb, to the effect of
:American rapper Tupac Shakur was named after Tupac Amaru.
"The readers of this article don't care about the rapper"
Maybe they should. Maybe they could. Who are you to say that they do not? I'm sorry, but you don't speak for every potential reader of this article. And, again: even if Tupac is mentioned in this article, it ought to be a very brief line, at most. Readers will not come here to "read about his life." jglc | t | c 8 July 2005 15:09 (UTC)
:I completely concur that the sentence 
:::American rapper Tupac Shakur based his stage name on his ideological identification with Túpac Amaru II.
:is wholly fitting and appropriate.  It would be wholly inaccurate, however, to say that he was named after him, since he took the name for himself.  He was named something or 'nother Crooks.  And, for the record, I couldn't possibly care less about the rapper.  Tomer TALK July 8, 2005 16:59 (UTC)
I would agree, except that Tupac Amaru Shakur is not solely the rapper's stage name:
 Tupac Shakur was born Lesane Parish Crooks in Brooklyn, NY in 1971. While still a
 small child, his mother changed his name to Tupac Amaru after an Inca Indian
 revolutionary, "Tupac Amaru", meaning "Shining Serpent". "Shakur" means "Thankful To
 God" in Arabic
It's a confusing subject, admittedly... while it's not his given name, neither was it a name he took after he became an entertainer (as Tupac Amaru Shakur says, "Contrary to popular belief, Tupac Amaru was not Tupac's first birth name nor a name he chose for himself; his mother re-named him shortly after birth."). Any suggestions on how to phrase it? jglc | t | c 8 July 2005 17:01 (UTC)
:I think inaccuracy has snuck into the Tupac Shakur article as a result of trying to reinclude the stuff I took out about Túpac Amaru II.  AFAIK, it was Túpac Amaru II who was renamed by his mother shortly after his birth, not Tupac Shakur, who, as I understand it, took upon himself the name Tupac out of identification with Túpac Amaru II.  Tomer TALK July 8, 2005 17:29 (UTC)
::I, too, am thoroughly confused right now: The block of quoted text above was from a different source (though it is quite possible they are quoting from an incorrect wikipedia article). jglc | t | c 8 July 2005 17:36 (UTC)
:::Let's take this to Talk:Tupac Shakur#Name.  Tomer TALK July 8, 2005 18:06 (UTC)
::::More than fair. I'm completely satisfied with the article as it stands now. jglc | Musachachado | c 8 July 2005 18:08 (UTC)
 And, for the record, I couldn't possibly care less about the rapper.
And many people that read the article would probably agree with you. If they care about the rapper and wish to know about his life, including the origin of his name (whether he copied it as an adult, or was named such by his own mother at birth or changed it 20 years later, etc.), they will surely read the rappers article to find that specific, pertinent information. It is up to the editors of the rappers article to do a correct research on his name and post that information if need be. When I started contributing to this article, it was already developed by other users, a prove that absolutely does NOT make me the main "author" NOR much less the "owner" of the article for that matter. Yet when we see new users trying to interject what we perceive as irrelevant information to any article, we usually revert or correct in a subtle way that new information so it best fits the article. Such edits have been perfectly done such as the latest: "An American rapper, Tupac Shakur, derived his stage name from Túpac Amaru."
I, for one, believe that is a perfect sentence to describe the rapper. 
Now concerning the user who nominated this article for VfD, whether it was the original one who started the dispute, User:Musachachado, or the unsigned comments left by 4.174.0.193, has been increasingly and suspiciously trying to create an unnecessary atmosphere of discord concerning the rappers description on this article. Our disagreements did not merit this article for VfD as has been evident by most of your opinions on keeping this article. Despite all this, we cannot blame or ignore new users who merely want to contribute their ideas to articles, which is what Wikipedia all about, but we must show them that there are specific ways to edit so as most of the editors of the article in question deem right whats being changed. I hope we can leave this behind and remove that dispute tag which makes it seem as information on the life of Tupac Amaru, the original indigenous leader, is in dispute. --Dynamax 8 July 2005 19:05 (UTC)
:As previously stated, I'm fine with the way things are right now; moreover, I agree with your concerns over information on Tupac, the rapper, infiltrating the article on Túpac, the indigenous leader. The person who nominated the article on VfD did so in bad faith (as I noted in my comment there), but you might also consider loosening up... you really do present a very overprotective air in your comments, and this only affects others' ability to interact with you in a reasonable manner in a negative way. I understand how it is, but it's just something to think about. jglc | t | c 8 July 2005 19:11 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure how this rather excessive discussion of the rapper Tupac managed to slip into the "Bias" section, but regardless, a good compromise has clearly been reached.  On the note of bias, however, the tone of this article reflects a childishly and excessively worded anti-hispanic bias.  While Amerindians in Peru and throughout Central and South America were certainly treated terribly by the Spanish, this article is not the place to use sensationalist descriptions of Spanish cruelty to influence readers' thoughts on Condorcanqui and indigenous revolutions in general.  Judging by the vocabulary and syntax, it appears that single individual has littered this article with personal feelings and outrage about Spanish mistreatment of Amerindians.  Wikipedia needs to be a place of objectivity, not demagoguery, and someone should clean this article up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.174.188.109 (talk) 22:49, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Jose Gabriel Condorcanqui TupacAmaru II.jpg

message: This person has not made any edits. Gorditagirl21 (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review  

message: This page should focus more so on the biography of Tupac Amaru II as there is already an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to his revolution. In order to convey the information about his life more concisely, the organization of such sections should be reorganized. Consider combining/altering the Death, Aftermath, Consequences, and Legacy sections since they are all aimed at a similar idea. Quotations section could be omitted as well. 
Reference list lacks Peruvian sources, most are from US origins. More should be incorporated to increase validity of prospective information provided. Mcadden (talk) 17:31, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your noble intentions, however I have a few concerns. First, can you mention how closely the text you suggest above is based on the source you mention? MPS1992 (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

text: The text I suggested is the translated summary of the first chapter of the book José Gabriel Tupac Amaru Antes de su Rebelión. This chapter contains biographical information of Tupac Amaru II's birth, childhood, and early life. All of the information in the text is accredited to the source I have cited, I was just unsure of how to cite it directly after the paragraph, hence its placement as a separate citation. Mcadden (talk) 15:58, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry but I don't think this will work. Unless I have misunderstood what you've said, the chapter summary is still under copyright to the publishers or author of the book. Translating the summary does not change that. Wikipedia articles cannot be built by inserting large portions of copyrighted material, even if attributed.  are you able to offer any advice please? MPS1992 (talk) 21:12, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Edits 

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