Talk:Stuyvesant High School/Archive 3

message: Amanda Brynes does not goto stuyvesant... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.222.162 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 15 September 2006
:Nobody said she does (or did).  But her "Holly" character on What I Like About You does, and that's what the article says. See, for example, the plot summary at http://www.amandabynesnow.com/wb/episodes-s2/20-antiprom/ RossPatterson 19:46, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: somebody delete this comment before JT sees it ;) Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 22:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amanda Bynes 

message: Do Northwestern and NYU, which, don't get me wrong, are both good schools, really belong in the same teir as Stanford and the ivys?  Do Suty grads tend to go to these schools in great numbers (NYU probably, but what about Northwestern)?   I just got the impression reading the entry that perhpas those were added by proud students at those universities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikep09 (talk • contribs) 04:45, 2 November 2006
: You may be right - all but the ivies were added in the last 14 hours, since the article appeared on the main page. RossPatterson 15:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  actually, yes.  simply going by my own knowledge, this is correct, but the stuy college handbook which i was recently given groups northwestern in the same category with all the ivies.  i dont know what significance this has but it certainly is an institution of importance to students. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 20:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about, but i have internal data from https://students-stuyhs.theschoolsystem.net/college_stats.rb - it has all the admission data for the class of 2006. From what i see here, ~50 students applied to Northwestern reg, roll, hpme, ed combined and 28 students were admitted. A huge number of students applied to NYU and I would say, about 2/3rds got in. As for Stanford, 37 applied and about 10 got accepted (i.e. not rejected or on the wait list). I'm not sure what [EA] means though. I have more info if you want, but it's hard to count because it has a drop-down menu of all the colleges. It's useful since it has the status, SAT scores, and the report card grades for english for. lang.,	history, math, science, tech, and art/music. I remember that i had a brochure but i can't find it now. I'll get back to you later. Illusionfx 17:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can't use that site as a reference because it's only available to Stuy students and unverifiable by anyone else; only open-sourced references are appropriate for Wikipedia.  EA and ED refer to Early Decision and Early Application and should be considered along with regular admissions.  Suffice to say, I think this discussion is sort of a waste of time.  If you really think that NYU and Northwestern don't belong in the same category as the Ivies, remove them; it doesn't matter hugely.  However, I would tend to think, simply based on what I know about those institutions, that they merit consideration. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 22:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prestigious? 

message: "As in the film, Stuyvesant has no pool on the roof, despite a long history of seniors selling "rooftop pool passes" to new freshmen." In my experience (class of '98), this is more of an in-joke than an actual scam. Xiner 01:39, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When I arrived in September 1972, it was for real.  But seriously, the only reason for keeping the comment is its status as an inside joke in the movie. RossPatterson 03:39, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh ok, I didn't know that. :) I guess in that case the comment could be clarified. I've changed the sentence to "As in the film, the new building has no pool on the roof, despite a long history of seniors selling "rooftop pool passes" to new freshmen in the old building." Please edit it if that's not correct. Xiner 01:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I guess it's rather unlikely that any student will be stupid enough to fall for that joke nowadays. Given that this is supposedly a presitigious school, I would assume most students would have some knowledge of it and would be well aware of the joke Nil Einne 09:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In my experience, the joke is completely dead in the Stuy of today. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 22:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, as Xiner noted above, the joke is long dead.  The fact that the 15th Street building didn't have a pool hardly matters any more - it's been almost 15 years since the Stuy moved downtown. RossPatterson 22:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rooftop passes 

message: I didn't see anything about the elevator keys.
Students caught with escalator keys are to be suspended, supposedly because of an incident in which a student used the key on an escalator and a student fell and was seriously injured.
:if you know anything about this or can find some material to this extent, feel free to add it. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 22:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Escalator Keys 

message: I'm sure that at least three years of sciences have to be taken at Stuy. Can someone fix that section? Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 01:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, four years of science are required.  It's fixed. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 22:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe that 4 years of laboratory-based sciences are required. I mean, I'm a senior now, and unless electronics (tech) and computer science (math) are considered to be part of the science curriculum, there's no such requirement. There's a single-term science elective requirement for senior year, but it doesn't include lab-work. 71.247.196.176 01:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Required science courses 

message: Someone really needs to cite sources about Polazzo rather than claim "extreme controversy" and "many students." A link to a spectator article or something would do, but without it, it cant stay. 130.49.16.113
: A link to a source unrelated to the school would be even better.  The quality of a reliable source varies depending on how close it is to the subject matter, and in-school controversy may make the Spectator a less-reliable source. RossPatterson 03:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, a Times article would help, especially in gauging the signficance of the event. I don't doubt that it may be a big deal at Stuy, but is it a notable event for someone in Sweden? Xiner (talk, email) 03:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the controversy over Polazzo as COSA section should be removed.  I was not able to find even a Spec article about it.  However, somebody deleted the entire SU section, which I am now reinstating, as that section was properly sourced and not under any scrutiny. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 17:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the passage needs to be reworded to avoid POV, and some of the issues like cellphones will not be solved at Stuy alone. Xiner (talk, email) 18:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reasonable suggestions, but that doesn't merit the passage's deletion. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 22:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Except for the battles that the SU is currently involved in, I think the section is exactly what it should be.  The only thing that I am not entirely sure about is why the references to ID scanners and cellphone bans were removed; those aren't presently sourced, but they easily could be.  The cellphone ban obviously has received a lot of media attention, and the ID scanners is a legitimate controversy within the school; the citation of any one Spectator article would be sufficient to demonstrate that. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 01:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I took out those issues because they will not be resolved through Stuy's Student Union alone. It's a city-wide debate that while the SU can be involved in, it'll ultimately take much more than that to change, and to state the issues in this section would be misleading. Xiner (talk, email) 02:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, first of all, the ID scanners is not a citywide issue and is not related to the cellphone ban.  The ID scanners are entirely the volition of the Stuy Administration.  With regards to the cellphones, I honestly have no idea what the SU has done.  However, it shouldn't be difficult to ascertain if the SU has actually taken any significant action against the cellphone ban, and if it has I see no reason to omit that from the article just because the issue is not confined to Stuyvesant. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 18:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know about the ID scanners issue, and you can restore the section preferably with citations. I know that the cellphone ban is a citywide issue and won't be fixed by the Stuy SU alone. Xiner (talk, email) 00:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It still sounds like a tempest in a teapot to me, and unencyclopedic, but at least it's sourced now :-)  I cleaned up the reference to use the  style. RossPatterson 04:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I've actually heard about this scanner thing, and like I said, while it may be an important issue at Stuy, I'm not so sure about whether someone in Sweden would care to know about it. Xiner (talk, email) 14:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether it's important to someone in Sweden is not really relevant at all.  The ID scanners are important to many of the people involved with Stuy, so I don't see what being its being unimportant to someone completely outside of Stuy is really reason to remove it. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 00:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Student Union Controversy 

message: I made this revert because the previous edit had obscured info and added what I felt were unnecessary words. Xiner (talk, email) 17:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My latest revert 

message: The article states that 50 percent go to Ivy League schools. That is definitely not true, although I am unsure of the correct percentage. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jnguy (talk • contribs) 07:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for spotting that, note that this percentage was a result of vandalism by an anon user  Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 00:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, what we need is a solid citation. The traditional issue of the Spectator with the college acceptance stats should be coming out soon. Xiner (talk, email) 00:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An overview of the student section of the stuy website, which contains admission statistics for the past year, verifies that 15% is more or less on the mark.  unfortunately, this information is inaccessible without logging in to the student network, so it is obviously not an acceptable method of citation. if the spectator comes out with admissions statistics (which wouldn't happen until april at the earliest, when admission results come in) i'll keep an eye on it.  i don't recall ever seeing lots of admissions statistics in it as xiner describes, but there might have been issues which i no longer recall. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 00:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it comes out around April. I never paid attention to that issue until I was a senior, when it was very interesting to me that NYU had accepted a third of the class. I think it now accepts a tenth of that. Thanks in advance for your help! Xiner (talk, email) 01:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, I know that. I can't speak for anything that happens now. I was under the impression that they've tightened their requirements vis-a-vis Stuy applicants, but this just shows the importance of a good citation. Xiner (talk, email) 03:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. RossPatterson (talk) 21:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ivy League admissions 

message: The article should reflect the federal free speech lawsuit filed on behalf of "The Stuyvesant Voice" sometime in 1976, referenced here.Trachtman v. Anker, 426 F.Supp. 198 (S.D.N.Y. 1976), reversed on appeal, 563 F.2d 512 (2d Cir. 1977), cert. denied, 435 U.S. 925 (1978). Any volunteers? :) NYC JD (interrogatories) 21:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I did it. - NYC JD (interrogatories) 05:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1976 free speech lawsuit 

message: Was the TOC really that intrusive? I didn't mind it. Xiner (talk, email) 18:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it was really long. - NYC JD (interrogatories) 18:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't mind it either...plus, hidden TOC's are rare on Wikipedia --Vptes1 04:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the template is four days old - yeah! :) - NYC JD (interrogatories) 10:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: And I just want to say that people removing stuff without an edit summary is one of my pet peeves. Xiner (talk, email) 17:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was actually removed with an edit summary, unless you're talking about something else. bmitchelf•T•F 18:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOChidden 

message: The PSAL page lists all the teams, and people will keep adding them to the article if we don't cut the list, I'm afraid. Xiner (talk, email) 01:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sports teams

message: I can't verify it yet, but the class is definitely less than 900; the 850 sounds about right, so for the moment I'll put it back up.  Please don't change it simply because I don't have adequate documentation.  The Spectator is beginning to develop a website which will hopefully catalogue all of the recent issues, which was previously not the case at all. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 22:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Graduation rate, class of 745. Xiner (talk) 14:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Freshman Class Size

message: Shouldn't Ned Vizzini (author of Teen Angst? Naah...) be included somewhere? At least the trivia section?
Teen Angst? Naah... A "quasi-autobiography" that consists of essays about Vizzini's young years attending Stuyvesant High School. --> From Vizzini's wikipedia page
The book sold well, has lots to do with Stuy, and is a fine read. Livesmart 15:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: putting it in the trivia section is fine.  leave it out of the important part of the article. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 04:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Vizzini is listed on the notable alumni list, including links to the article about him and another about Be More Chill.  I haven't read any of his stuff, but it's probably appropriate to restrict any mention of him here to the book(s) that specifically discuss Stuyvesant, just as we do Jonathan Lethem. And by "trivia section",  I assume Niffweed means the "In popular culture" section. RossPatterson 17:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that one.  Whatever the article calls the section for stupid factoids.  Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 00:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm ... it is getting a little large, isn't it.  Perhaps it's time for a little cleanup.  RossPatterson 02:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The "Extracurricular activities" is too large in relation to the rest of the article. Too much on publications, and other spots could be tightened up. Simon12 02:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ned Vizzini 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:With their eyes.jpg

message: Among the 3 specialized schools, Stuy is the hardest to get in, with the highest cut off score. That's a fact. Why is there no mention of that anywhere? From reading the article, it makes it seem as if we're on the same level as Brooklyn Tech! Call me arrogant but that's simply not true. The quality of academics in Stuy in not the same as Tech!
Also, in the first paragraph alone, someone is trying to insult stuy by saying "a large percentage of stuy kids go onto 4 year colleges." WTF? All Stuy kids (assuming they want to) go to college. That's not a question at Stuy. The question is whether you're going to an Ivy league school or not.  So stop letting this guy insult stuy by putting that line up there! He's purposely trying to make Stuy sound like some sort of community vocational preparation highschool. WTF?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stuyguy08 (talk • contribs). 
: You are correct in many areas, but the information here is based on verifiable fact.  None of it is slander. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 13:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a citation that "all" students received or would have received college offers, please show it. All you have so far is a "C'mon, we're better here than them, everyone knows that!" Achromatic 19:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: This article hasn't been deleted because this talk page isn't part of it.  The article is one of the best on Wikipedia - that was affirmed only last year when it was rated a Featured Article, one of only three high school articles to be so acknowledged.  The article is very well referenced - you won't find a single silly reference like "I go there", and at 68 references it's one of the most-verifiable school articles.  As to the quality of the discussion here, note that this talk page has been archived twice in the past, and go read the archives if you want to see that it hasn't always been thus. if there are suspect references, please identify them - they were all checked very well, and survived a very agressive analysis during the three FAC attempts.  RossPatterson 02:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who's trying to slander Stuy? 

message: About the small part where it says that the former buildings girl's bathroom were on par by the time the school was moved. I used to go to a school in that building and I know for a fact that the girl's bathrooms weren't "up to par" with the boys until the 2003-04 school year. It's minor, but just for correctness' sake. User:GrandDukeJohnofCorsica 02:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You misunderstood the text. "Upon the construction of its Battery Park City building, the facilities for girls became on par with those for boys" implies that the 15th St. building had unequal (and indeed, in 1972 when I was there, sub-standard) facilities for girls.  The Chambers St. building has (or at least had several years ago) perfectly good facilities for both genders. The issue was more than the bathrooms, there were also separate "gyms", with the girls using a 1st-floor room hardly appropriate for athletics and the boys using the real gym.  In the early 1970s, the only athletic facility we all shared was the track encircling the boys gym, and then only during warm-up time.  RossPatterson 03:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um, Just to Add 

message: I think it's relevant to include a mention of stuywatch.com.
Check it out:
My article in The Spectator:
http://stuyspectator.com/2007/09/24/stuywatch-provides-new-outlet-for-student-discontent/
Front page article in the New York Sun:
9/26/07 http://www.nysun.com/article/63381
Insideschols.org 9/26/07:
http://insideschools.blogspot.com/2007/09/stuy-kids-riled-up-by-new-restrictions.html
New York magazine’s blog 9/26/07:
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/09/the_kids_at_stuyvestant_arent.html
Mentioned on NPR morning of 9/26/07.
- Prameet
72.225.193.167 01:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just going to say. I don't have the time right now, but maybe I can find somewhere to work that in in an appropriate place, while maintaining the neutrality and avoiding overemphasis of current events. -- BlastOButter42 See Hear Speak 03:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuywatch 

message: Was a Stuyvesant Alumni
The younger Hiraman, a Stuyvesant HS grad, attended Cornell University for a time, although he did not graduate - and was pushed to succeed by his parents, 
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09272007/news/regionalnews/st__johns_on_a_red_alert.htm?page=3
YoSoyGuapo 09:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this really significant? Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 23:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  St John's University Gunman 

message: Other than its proximity to the WTC, why do we list alumni that died in the attacks on this page? Does any other high school list their alumni who died? I just think that a list of people who attended this school at one point in their lives who later died in a terrorist attack bears very little relevance to an article on the high school. Achromatic 20:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuy and 9/11 

message: does anyone know anything about this:  abulanov (talk) 01:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From the Alumni Assoc: The film is a nationally televised documentary on Stuyvesant H.S. football team by Paulette Douglas, a Stuy Alumni Parent. See personal stories, from challenge to triumph, of a football team that beat the odds to take the field, the Stuyvesant High School Peglegs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon12 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, check out the Daily News article from early October, which begins Stuyvesant High School is known for getting the brightest students the city has to offer. What it isn't known for is pigskin prowess, and that's what's at the heart of "The Peglegs of Stuyvesant High," a 90-minute documentary on CSTV Sunday at 6:30 p.m.  The program is an enjoyable look at a group of players during the 2006 season, though it's a little longer than it needs to be.  Interestingly, that ought to overlap with Alex Klein's  research year, so I expect we'd see Romeo from A Class Apart.  Unfortunately, I don't get CSTV :-( RossPatterson (talk) 03:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  peglegs