Talk:Water polo at the World Aquatics Championships

message: Just a question...is it accurate to combine the medal totals for the Soviet Union and Russia, as well as Yugoslavia with Serbia and Montenegro? I bring this up because FINA totals Russia and the Soviet Union medals together, but treats Yugoslavian and Serbian-Montenegran medals as separate counts in some lists, and together in others (see ). 
I suggest that on Wikipedia we either combine both (as presently) or keep a separate count for each. I favor separate counts since it is more consistent with the historical articles (each country has its own). Also, there may also have been athletes from Ukraine or another republic on the Soviet Union team, but are no longer on the Russian team, for example. In fact, in other sports, the DDR and BRD (East and West German) medals are usually kept separate (see Summer Olympics medal count).
I propose the table as follows: 1st: Hungary (9 medals), 2nd: Yugoslavia (6), 3rd: Spain (4, 2 silver), 4th: Soviet Union (4, 1 silver), 5th: Italy (3), 6th: Serbia and Montenegro (2, 1 gold), 7th: Russia (2 bronze), 8th: Greece tied with West Germany (1).
FROM User :Dado (Novi Sad) : I agree to separete medals from ex states (Yugoslavia etc) and today states (Serbia, Croatia,..) because it is the most like true and justice. EX Yugoslavia states DO NOT accept Serbians try to take all medals froma Yugoslavia.(I heard in other way that SSSR ex sattes agree to these medals belong to Russia, so we have 2 different cases here.) Also, Serbia and Montenegro WAS the succesor of SFRY until 2006., when Serbia created new Constitution Act, and procleim self as only state of Serbs and minorities, language as serbian, and in this case Serbia with Vojislav Kostunica renounced the succession of SFR Yugoslavia.
--Ryanjo 00:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, two tables would be confusing. One standard is best. Leave it as it is.--Ryanjo 14:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Another way to settle this would be to accept the totals maintained by FINA here (page 15). The combined Olympic & World statistics lists YUG and SCG totals together (6, as of 2005), but specifies how many each national team won (YUG-5, SCG-1). Maybe an footnote at the bottom? Ryanjo 02:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ryanjo's way seems quite OK, having in mind that it's the official attitude of FINA. To Kubura: Let me remind you that Slovenia and Croatia were officially recognized on 14th January 1992, thus leaving the 4 republics federation of Yugoslavia. Bosnia-Herzegovina left the federation on 6th of April 1992. Yugoslavia had 3 republics for another 21 days when Serbia and Montenegro let Macedonia go away, on 27th of April. then the remaining two republics were renamed as Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Sorry for the Croats, I know they they were a majority, but it's not true that "no one remained". We remained, as we remained now after Montenegro broke up. all the SCG medals are now left fo Serbian statistics, unfortunately, but lots of players were from Montenegro. If hypothetically, Belgrade formed a separate state, all the medals would be left for the remains of Serbia, although almost ALL the players of Serbian national team all from Belgrade. I know that the Croats won the majority of medals for Yugoslavia, but sincerely I did not force you to leave the federation. You wanted so. I don't blame you, your decision. I don't know how to manage this things, except to revert to the previous table, with footnote. Zhix 00:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Serbia is not the successor state to the medals of the SFRJ.  Most things were divided, namely assets & liabilities.  With medals, that is something that is more difficult to divide, but are the contribution of all the republics.  61.196.109.139 06:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: So it's nonsense to say "FINA recognizes Serbia as an inheritor to SFR Yugoslavia and SCG teams". It does not. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 12:09, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

text: That is nonsense, sport has nothing to do with UN, FINA rules are important!--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 10:52, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Eternal Table

message: In FINA document say this:
FINA WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 1973-2017
ROLL OF HONOUR BY COUNTRY
All titles (16) have been won by European teams: 
'5' titles 
YUG / SCG / SRB  (1986,1991, 2005, 2009, 2015)
3 titles                                                                                 ITA (1978, 1994, 2011)
HUN (1973, 2003, 2013)
2 titles
URS (1975, 1982)
ESP (1998, 2002)
CRO (2007, 2017)
See, say 5 titles for YUG / SCG / SRB  and not split (5). Next
WATER POLO WORLD CUP
ROLL OF HONOUR BY COUNTRY
5 titles
YUG/SCG/SRB (1987, 1989, 2006, 2010, 2014)
3 titles
HUN
(1979, 1995, 1999)
URS
(1981, 1983) + RUS(2002)
2 titles
USA
(1991, 1997)
1 title
FRG
(1985)
1 title
ITA
(1993)
OLYMPIC GAMES
OLYMPIC GAMES
ROLL OF HONOUR BY COUNTRY
All titles 
9 titles
HUN (1932, 1936, 1952, 1956, 1964, 1976, 2000, 2004, 2008)
4 titles
GBR 
(1900, 1908, 1912, 1920)
YUG
(1968, 1984, 1988,/SRB (2016)
ITA
(1948, 1960, 1992)
2 titles
URS
(1972, 1980)
1 title
FRA
(1924)
GER
(1928)
ESP
(1996)
CRO
(2012)
I think that we must putt YUG/SCG/SER togteher like this. Like it say ROLL OF HONOUR BY COUNTRY I know that down have new list but this is first on top of document.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by VucoCar (talk • contribs) 09:52, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That's corect! I put that on table! Page 15https://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/final_histofina_wp_2016_0.pdf. DusanSilniVujovic (talk) 19:49, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Pelmeen10 This is a FINA, official source and stop vandaliz this!!! This source upload in 2015! DusanSilniVujovic (talk) 22:27, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The source says "2 world title" for Serbia, not 5. Pelmeen10 (talk) 08:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

text: "FINA considers Serbia (since 2006) as the inheritor of the records of Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1945–1992), Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1992–2003) and Serbia and Montenegro (2003–2006)" - this is not correct, we can't write it. FINA writes 2 world titles for Serbia and other medals as we currently have. Besides that if you think logically, we can't sum up countries with such different area/population. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  YUG/SCG/SER 

message: ** - Whatch page 15 https://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/histofina_wp_2018_final_0.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.228.69.16 (talk) 13:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  /* Medals summary */  

message: Hi everyone, 
After reading all of these discussions, I am just curious why is Yugoslavia (still) not the country with the most wins at the world cup when FINA document on page 26 clearly states in the part that talks about World Cups in particular, the following statement:  
ROLL OF HONOUR BY COUNTRY
5 titles YUG/SCG/SRB (1987, 1989, 2006, 2010, 2014)
4 titles HUN (1979, 1995, 1999, 2018)
URS (1981, 1983) + RUS (2002)
2 titles USA (1991, 1997)
1 title FRG (1985)
1 title ITA (1993)
Can someone, please, give me a clear answer why is Wikipedia not following the official source of the statistical information and why are we allowing any user to be "more knowledgeable" than the official association that follows the sport? 
No, this has nothing to do with the fact that I am Serbian by nationality. This is strictly related to the official source that clearly states something that is not stated on Wikipedia and yet there has been many different users who are trying to claim their correctness in their statements yet the official source is very visible and it is coming from the official site of fina.org just so there is no discrepancy in regards to valid source. 
FINA has clearly indicated that Serbia has claimed all of the titles that Yugoslavia has had. The fact that some people here are having issues with it, let me remind you who Igor Milanović and Aleksandar Šoštar, just to name the few so I am not searching for more because if you follow water polo in any way, you should know about these two legends of this sport. They are both of Serbian nationality and they both have been participants while Yugoslavia still existed as a country so no, it is not a true statement that Croatia players "deserved" it more than Serbia. FINA, as the association that belongs to Water polo world has clearly indicated that all of the medals won by Yugoslavia "belong" to Serbia so therefore Serbia has 5 of them as mentioned in the beginning of my post. 
@Vanjagenije: Since you have been involved with the article editing part, and as an administrator, can you, please, correct this issue and block any future non-valid corrections without valid source proving the change ?
Thank you !
Боки Talk page ↔️ Contributions 14:18, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yugoslavia not the country with the most titles for World Cup ? FINA says it, why shouldn't we ?