Talk:The Last Temptation of Christ (novel)

message: Changed "devout Catholic" to "raised Catholic", until a source is cited showing that Scorsese is reconciled to the Church. The man's been married five times. 209.149.235.254 16:19, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed "raised Catholic" to "devout Catholic (excommunicated from the Roman Catholic church". There are two reasons for this. The first is that "the Church" is not the only claiment to being "Catholic" (Anglicanism claims to be Catholic as well, for example). Secondly, it is upto him whether what he is doing is something he considers Catholic or not. It is a belief, and he believes he is Catholic, therefore he is Catholic, whether or not other people who claim Catholicism think he is or not.81.156.181.197 18:21, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Eres un pen...dejo la palabra  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2806:1016:6:116B:B92D:FA9:FF93:E784 (talk) 05:13, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

text: Not to be a 'Fundie' or anything, but how do you define a "primary source" other that "A biography written by people who knew him"?  There's as much evidence of the story of Jesus' life, as there is King Henry V *shrugs*  DOn't lean too far in either direction, both are doubtlessly shaded by the writers of the time and their positions, but saying there are no "primary sources" is just as bad.
Not the case I'm afraid.  The Gospels were written several years (possibly up to a century, in the case of the Gospel of St. John) after Jesus was crucified, and it's unlikely that any of the writers ever met him.  Even more importantly, none of the original documents, or even copies from anything like the period, still exist. FrFintonStack 03:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Devout Catholic?

message: maybe should be a page listing this one too? it's the proper english title for the book anyway.
--I second that  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.149.204 (talk) 03:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  a 'the last temptation' search, goes to a music album 

message: I would very much deny that this could be called a "Christian film". What do others think. The fact that an author of a work believes something to be the case doesn't actually make it so. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 11:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Christian -- By definition, any story involving Christ is "Christian". And Kazantzakis saw this as "Christian" as well. Atlant 13:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. Besides, the definition in the category listing refers to films with Christianity as a major theme. No one can deny that Christianity is a major theme of this film! Tex 13:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, I certainly see Tex's point about the definition of the category and on that basis it should be included. However I would content that conflicts with the title of the category which implies that the "character" of the novel / film is "Christian". For instance "The Life of Brian" is commonly regarded as a spoof of the life of Christ, does that make it a Christian film, hardly, it was highly critical in a satirical manner. The recent cartoon of the prophet Muhammad that caused such controversy would by similar criteria be called an "Islamic cartoon" but it would be Very offensive to see it so titled. Do you see the problem with the logic. Okay so the issue then becomes one of, does the individual making the work consider it "Christian", supposedly he does; or does the wider Christian world consider it "Christian", I don't think so; or does the wider world consider it "Christian", again I don't think so. At the end of the day we are only trying to best classify difficult subject areas, we should attempt to understand the problem areas and seek to understand each others points and describe as clearly as we can the information presented to us. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But that cartoon was not written from the point of view of an Islamic believer attempting to portray their beliefs, whereas Scorsese was writing from the point of view of Christianity. Whether it agrees with all sects and denominations is moot, as no denomination is--universally--"more Christian" than another. Essentially, the film was made in support of Christian beliefs by an espoused Christian (at the time). It is also about Christ, rather than simply portraying him. FangsFirst 07:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Categorized as a Christian Film debate

message: is this for the novel or film? Because there really should be two seperate pages. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.52.102.66 (talk • contribs) .
:This is very true. The article should not mention the novel only to go on and describe the film in great detail. The novel certainly deserves its own page. 24.193.142.31 02:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Novel or film? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:LastTemptation.jpg

message: The article gives the idea that Kazantzakis wrote a theological thesis with this book. This is not the case, it can only be partly the case. Kazantzakis was mixing fiction with his own philosophical seeking. When he was a kid he was encouraged by his family to become a priest, a certain 'complex' of loving and hating church at the same time developed. He is not a priest or a theologian, just a novelist. fs 23:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kazantzakis is not a Theologian 

message: The notion that Jesus was not crucified and did not die until a later age is also found in the Koran, which says many of the same things about him. It seems somewhat pertinent to try to link the novel to islam and the beliefs of muslims. ADM (talk) 16:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Koran

message: I would like to know more about how the novel was received. How do Christians feel about it? And literary critics? There's a sentence that alludes to a controversy and a ban. What's the story? I might resort to doing some research myself, but I thought I'd make a suggestion here in case someone still had access to the Margaret Bald book or other sources. Cheers. Braincricket (talk) 09:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: There appears to be no basis provided for the claim that the book or film provoked right-wing controversy and criticism. Also, the sentence seems to equate Christians with right-wing adherents:
:Upon its publication, the book was condemned by the Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church; it has since been challenged by numerous Christian groups and right-wing organizations. A 1988 film adaptation directed by Martin Scorsese was similarly controversial. 
No citations.Dynasteria (talk) 17:21, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi! The sentence you've quoted is in the lede, which summarizes information that appears in the body of the article--and in the body, there is indeed a detailed sentence about a "right-wing extremist group called the Citizens Group for Clean Books," complete with a citation. I chose not to repeat the citation in the lede in order to avoid redundancy, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt. Hobbesy3 (talk) 02:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

text: No worries! The article text repeatedly refers to the group as "extremists." Hobbesy3 (talk) 15:21, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Right wing? 

message: Here we read:
"1954. The Pope places "The Last Temptation " on the Roman Catholic Index of Forbidden Books. Kazantzakis telegraphs the Vatican a phrase from the Christian apologist Tertullian: "Ad tuum, Domine, tribunal appello" (I lodge my appeal at your tribunal, Lord)."
New York Times, April 29 1954 reported: "VATICAN FORBIDS NOVEL; Volume by Kazantzakis, Greek Author, Is Put on Index"
The article writing about the same event uses 1955. What is the correct year/date?--Њонгарфан (talk) 08:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct dates