Talk:Richard Herring

message: Where are the listed sources for those supposed catchphrases ? There are none listed. I'm going to delete them.
Just listen to the podcast, watch his TV shows etc.
"Nyum Nyum Nyum", "Moon on a stick" "...Or is it the businessman in his suit and tie" "...Of course they're all *** by the time I've finished with them" "Fucking idiot(s)" "Bumming!" are all there to see and thus should be on the page.
:As are "car", "shopping", "er..." etc. A catchphrase is not only something associated with the subject, but exists outside the particular fandom of the individual - people who are simply aware of the subject as "someone off the telly" should be aware of it, too. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely the 'moon on a stick' stuff fits those criteria. I vaguely remember stuart Lee talking about how people have come up to him in the street shouting about how he wants the moon a stick. This may suggest the catchphrase at least caught on to some extent? --Philthemancunian (talk) 07:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

text: No. GedUK  13:12, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catchphrases 

message: This somewhat ironic as his nemesis Patrick Marber is a big poker fan. --Magic Pickle
Magic Pickle, do you actually know the meaning of the word nemesis? Not getting at you, just curious. 
(We'll leave aside that controversial and now largely meaningless word ironic.) 
Flapdragon 01:29, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it not mean an opponent who cannot be beaten? Herring describes on his web-site the diffculties him and Lee had with Marber, and on Fist of Fun whever Marber was mentioned it was with the description of "curmudgeon". In his diary he has a bit of a light-hearted moan about how Marber is now a highly regarded playwright when Lee and Herring didn't think that much of him. But I was using a bit of hyperbole, he isn't Herring's literal nemesis and yes, ironic is now difficult to pin down. If you're not happy with it, I don't mind seeing it go. For now I've added the description of Marber as a curmudgeon, as compromise. If Marber is being mentioned, I think it worth pointing out the mild difficulty Herring had with him. Magic Pickle 15:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Patrick Marber, the Ironic Nemesis

message: This from the article, "He has been described, by the British Theatre Guide, as "one of the leading hidden masters of modern British comedy" reads like pure PR material. The article is all about Herring's successes and there is little or no background material about the man. Which school did he go to, what did his parents do for a living, where did he live as a child etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 (talk) 13:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is because this is not a biography, but a biographic encyclopedic article; that is, we only summarise what other reliable sources say about the subject - we do not find out "missing" facts and add them. If there are good references for other parts of the subjects life, then quote them and put the material into the article. Another matter is that the encyclopedia is primarily focussed on what makes the subject notable. While Herring's family, schooling, background is (or is not) important to him it is perhaps of only passing interest of people who are interested in the comedian and his work. The detailed background belongs in proper biographies, as does opinion or speculation. It is how (this) encyclopedia works. LessHeard vanU (talk) 18:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  PR rather than biography 

message: If he really went out with Julia Sawalha can we have a reference that isn't literally a joke? It just says he had a shrine to her on a TV show. He also had one to the Corrs, is this meant to be proof of a relationship?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.191.84 (talk) 18:20, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you unable to edit this article too?  86.184.8.41 (talk) 07:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life 

message: This article can't be edited.  I don't have this problem with any other pages.  Can somebody fix this please?  Thanks. 86.184.8.41 (talk) 11:21, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Can't edit article - please fix

message: Hello!  The article can't be edited!  Anyone know why?¿  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.238.84.65 (talk) 13:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Article can't be edited

message: Hello, guardians of this page. It's good Wikipedia practice to avoid lists, and there are exhaustive lists of apparently "selected" works on Richard Herring's page. How about we reorganise them into neat and readable tables like this one? I based it on the table at Woody Allen filmography. This example is specifically for his major stand-up shows but we could adapt it for radio work, TV work, books etc. What do people think? Feel free to run with it. Rob (talk) 23:47, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks good to me, though maybe not the colour, but I'm not fussy. GedUK  13:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would propose greatly cutting this material unless it is verifiable. --John (talk) 12:46, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, clearly it should be verifiable, but verifying the existence of tours in teh past shouldn't be too hard. GedUK  13:13, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added references to the vast majority of the Selected Works section. Tell me if you have any issues with it. Not sure what we should do with the Edinburgh Shows section - I think it would be nice to keep - but not as it is.Wiggs (talk) 15:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice one. We now have comprehensive tables with references. I'd now humbly suggest merging the ungainly "Edinburgh Shows" list into the other sections (mainly "Plays" and "Standup Shows") to avoid repetition. If an "Edinburgh" column is added to the "Plays" and "Standup Shows" tables as in the above example, no significant information will be lost. Rob (talk) 20:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've completed the table for standup shows and incorporated it into the article. It looks good IMHO! See what you think. Rob (talk) 18:32, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selected Works: tables rather than lists? 

message: Year	Show                                                                                                                                                                     	Cycle    	Cycle	Cycle	Cycle	Cycle
Year	Show                                                                                                                                                                     	Edinburgh	Tour 	DVD  	     	
1994	Richard Herring is Fathttp://www.richardherring.com/archive/downloads.php?s=Programme                                                                                    	         	     	     	     	
1995	Richard Herring is All Manhttp://www.richardherring.com/archive/index-parttwo.php                                                                                        	         	     	     	     	
2001	Christ on a Bike                                                                                                                                                         	         	     	     	     	
2002	Talking Cockhttp://metro.co.uk/2002/08/07/richard-herring-talking-cock-475988/                                                                                           	         	     	     	     	
2004	The 12 Tasks of Hercules Terracehttp://www.chortle.co.uk/shows/edinburgh_fringe_2004/r/1266/richard_herring%3A_the_12_tasks_of_hercules_terrace                          	         	     	     	     	
2005	Someone Likes Yoghurthttp://www.chortle.co.uk/shows/edinburgh_fringe_2005/r/1662/richard_herring%3A_someone_likes_yoghurt                                                	         	     	     	     	
2006	Ménage à unhttp://www.broadwaybaby.com/listing.php?id=1382                                                                                                               	         	     	     	     	
2007	Oh Fuck, I'm 40!http://www.suchsmallportions.com/feature/live-comedy-review-richard-herring-oh-fuck-im-40                                                                	         	     	     	     	
2008	The Headmaster's Son                                                                                                                                                     	         	     	     	     	
2009	Hitler Moustachehttp://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/reviews/richard-herring-hitler-moustache-underbelly-edinburgh-1773849.html                        	         	     	     	     	
2010	Christ on a Bike: The Second Cominghttp://londonist.com/2010/12/comedy-review-richard-herring-christ-on-a-bike-the-second-coming.php                                     	         	     	     	     	
2011	What Is Love, Anyway?http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/theatre-dance/reviews/richard-herring-what-is-love-anyway-udderbellys-pasture-edinburgh-2333443.html	         	     	     	     	
2012	Talking Cock: The Second Cominghttp://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2012/oct/21/richard-herring-talking-cock-review                                                           	         	     	     	     	
:This looks good to me, though maybe not the colour, but I'm not fussy. GedUK  13:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would propose greatly cutting this material unless it is verifiable. --John (talk) 12:46, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, clearly it should be verifiable, but verifying the existence of tours in teh past shouldn't be too hard. GedUK  13:13, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added references to the vast majority of the Selected Works section. Tell me if you have any issues with it. Not sure what we should do with the Edinburgh Shows section - I think it would be nice to keep - but not as it is.Wiggs (talk) 15:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice one. We now have comprehensive tables with references. I'd now humbly suggest merging the ungainly "Edinburgh Shows" list into the other sections (mainly "Plays" and "Standup Shows") to avoid repetition. If an "Edinburgh" column is added to the "Plays" and "Standup Shows" tables as in the above example, no significant information will be lost. Rob (talk) 20:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've completed the table for standup shows and incorporated it into the article. It looks good IMHO! See what you think. Rob (talk) 18:32, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Stand Up Shows

message: *Imdb is not a reliable source, as it is user-generated like Wikipedia itself.
*Richardherring.com is not a reliable source, as it belongs to the subject of the article.
*Itunes is not a reliable source, as it is a commercial site which exists to promote its own sales.
What this article needs is more reviews by independent news media; the Guardian, the BBC, even chortle.co.uk. Anything which cannot be sourced to such real-world sources will have to be removed. --John (talk) 12:51, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, IMDB and RH.com are reliable if we're talking about teh existence of tours and shows, though not for critical appraisal or notability. GedUK  13:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, see WP:IMDB. It almost never adds anything to add a link to IMDB to a Wikipedia article. --John (talk) 19:41, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: A change was made to say that Richard is an English, rather than British comedian. How is this is determined, and what are the past precedents? Gordon (talk) 07:31, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless there is evidence to the contrary (a specific identification by RH as English rather than British, for example) then we list people as 'British' as their nationality. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

text: Thanks for your slightly strange comments. I had another look at Wikipedia:Nationality and it's quite clear that we should usually go for the country of which someone is a citizen. However, Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom does clarify further and says that there's not a 'right' nationality to chose and that in the absence of other information, we should generally leave what's on the article. So, while  'British' has been used here without problem for several years and there was probably no reason to change it, there also seems to be no problem with listing as English now it's been changed. No issue is had with anything, though I did enjoy your paranoia, thank you. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 20:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely, then it should revert to what was originally there? Gordon (talk) 14:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  English or British? 

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