Talk:Colt Single Action Army

message: I hope anybody won't mind, but I've combined the Frontier Six-Shooter article with this one, with a couple modifications to the text to make it less redundant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.148.156 (talk) 22:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Just so you all know

message: As I write this, Colt Peacemaker and Single Action Army are synonyms for this article; the current title Colt Single Action Army handgun is almost certainly not the most common name.  I needed to do this change to disambiguate Peacemaker.  Someone who cares about this page chould fix it. ---- Charles Stewart 18:26, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The current title seems preferable. Mike Wilson 07:25, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Main title for this piece

message: SAFETY WARNING: From 1973 to present, Ruger has been building 45LC gun on frames able to take 44Mag power levels and slightly higher - the Blackhawk, SuperBlackhawk, Redhawk, SuperRedHawk and "Original Vaquero". Colt also shipped some Anacondas (a large DA revolver) in 45LC. Some smaller ammunition vendors have been selling "45LC+P" where "+P" means "extra pressure", usually marking it "Ruger ONLY" for use in these abnormally strong (for the caliber) firearms. This ammunition will turn an original Single Action Army into a hand grenade, and damage or possibly grenade a modern post-WWII SAA and its clones/near clones. To complicate things further, in 2005 Ruger shipped the "New Vaquero" in .45LC (and .357) on a smaller frame similar to the SAA and unable to take "Ruger ONLY" loads, despite being a Ruger. Buffalo Bore and Cor-Bon are probably the biggest vendors of this "45LC" ammunition, with pressures up to 34,000psi. Buffalo Bore has a 325grain load at over 1,300fps in 45LC+P. Do not load this ammunition into a SAA.The information here is not really relevant to the article, and the safety warning is made redundant by the disclaimers at the bottom of every page. That said, if someone can produce evidence that some of this information is relevant to this article, by all means let him do so. Tenebrous 14:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Safety Warning

message: The term "Army" originally referred to the weapon's caliber.  Back in the beginning, the U.S. Army liked to order its revolvers in .45 caliber, while the Navy preferred a .36.  Thus, the two calibers of revolver came to be known as "Army" and "Navy."  It would be great if a knowledgable person would compose a page about the Colt Navy, a great gun in itself. Cranston Lamont 05:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I seem to remember that the Army, and particular the cavalry, preferred pistols of .45 caliber from the supposition that at least this size was required to effectively dispatch a wounded horse! Obviously, not a problem for the Navy. I wish I could reference that fact, but at the moment can't seem to find it. SBHarris 23:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Army usually referred to a .44 caliber and Navy to a .36 caliber, in the cap and ball single action revolvers of the earlier cap and ball golden era that lasted from 1851 until 1873.  (The older 1851 Navy with its octagonal barrel was manufactured even after the round-barreled Navy 1861 came out; both were in .36 caliber.) The "Navy" revolvers were as popular as the "Army" revolvers in the Old West. Yaf 05:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Its Name 

message: "..the most exotic being the Black Powder model.." What does that mean? When the Colt came out in 1873 all guns were black powder, including cartridge guns. This bizarre statement makes no sense, so I removed it. If the person chooses to re-add it, please explain what it's supposed to mean.
:There are two frame designs for the Single Action Army.  The original design used a screw setup to secure the cylinder pin into the frame and are referred to as the "Black powder model".  Later versions of the Peacemaker used a different and generally preferred button arrangement.  The later version, having been in production much longer, are far more common. (Jeff the Baptist 22:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exotic Black Powder? 

message: I don't mean to co-opt this segment; I'm a newly minted Wikipedian.  I notice that this article mentions U.S. Fire Arms Mfg. Co., as "United States Firearms," would it offend anyone if I changed that to "U.S. Fire Arms Mfg. Co." and included it in double brackets to link to that page?Newportm (talk) 02:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite, references and reorganization 

message: The ammunition spends far too much time talking about .45 ACP ammo, which I found darn confusing. I caught myself scrolling up to check if I was actually reading the article I intended, because the first half of the ammo sections spends a large portion of its space chatting about an ammo type that is not related to the peacemaker. Dxco 20:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's because for most of the 20th century, if you said ".45" or even "Colt .45" you were talking about a cartridge not used for this weapon, but rather the cut-off .30-06 used for the .45 automatic pistol or the Tommygun, and formally called the .45 ACP. So some distinction has to be made between this very popular .45 (which is the only one most people know) and the .45 Long Colt of blackpowder days, which was what was mostly used in the Peacemaker. But do feel free to move the paragraphs around or re-size, until you like the result better. Remember, WP:BOLD is the same as WP:SOFIXIT SBH
arris 21:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ammunition 

message: Someone should add a weapon infobox to this article. I am too unfamiliar with the Peacemaker, aside from what I've seen on a few Wild West Tech episodes, so it might be better for someone else to do it. J-stan TalkContribs 02:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: ) (Undid revision 206168730 by 76.87.17.241 
Reversed language about safeties allowing loading of six rounds.  The long standing and present Colt SAAs do not have these devices.  For a short time in the 2,000s, they did market the Colt Cowboy with a transfer bar safety.  It is no longer in the catalog.  Uberti, Ruger, Taurus and others do make saas with transfer bars and hammer block safeties and a discussion of those would be appropriate in a discussion of generic single actions rather than the Colt product. --Mcumpston (talk) 14:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transfer Bars/Safeties 

message: "A character in the Metal Gear series exclusively uses the Colt Single Action Army in battle and earns the moniker Revolver Ocelot because of this. In Metal Gear Solid he refers to the revolver as "the greatest handgun ever made."
This may be as relevant as mentions of hollywood westerns or elmer keith so, I didn't rever it.  I admit to some prejudice about video game references as that particulary brand of epistemology, in the absence of actual performance data seems to result in a lot of misinformation about the actual form, function and performance of a variety of firearms.  discussion?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcumpston (talk • contribs) 00:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  video games

message: n MASH epsiode 4/13 "The Gun" HOulihan ids the gun Frank Burns stole as a Colt single action .45 cavalry gun {Peacemaker}. In fact it is a .45 revolver from the 1920's!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.174 (talk) 01:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: TV Goof!

message: There's no such thing as a "safety" position on most 1873 Colts and it's extremely inadvisable to leave the Peacemaker at half-cock/quarter-cock/three-quarters-to-tuesday/whatever. The article seems to imply that there is a safe position to leave the hammer in other than down and on an empty chamber/cartridge. This is not correct and this implication should be excised asap. J.M. Archer (talk) 19:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Safety" information/liability

message: I'm just wondering if there should be a section on "Reproductions", acknowledging the vast number of modern reproductions of the Colt Single Action Army? Not necessarily a comprehensive listing, but I'm sure lots of readers wonder why Colt, Ruger, US Fire Arms Co, Armi San Marco, and countless others produce handguns that are, for all intents and purposes, Colt Single Action Army revolvers (albeit with modern manufacturing and safety features). Commander Zulu (talk) 11:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reproductions

message: I read: By 1875, 15,000 units chambered for the .45 Colt cartridge had entered service (?) along with an additional 1863 chambered for the .44 Henry rimfire cartridge (Wilson 1985.)
That's wrong. The .44 RF SAA's never entered (US) service.
My proposition: By 1875, 15,000 units chambered for the .45 Colt cartridge had been sold to the army and the civil market, along with an additional 1863 chambered for the .44 Henry rimfire cartridge
 --hmaag (talk) 13:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: .44 RF

message: USFA US Pre-War redirects here... what does it mean ? Kintaro-san (talk) 13:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  USFA US Pre-War ? 

message: With most revolvers (at least, with swingout revolvers), the ejector rod is below the barrel and is exactly in the middle. However, with SAA and a the Lightning they're off to the side a little bit. I understand that the SAA isn't a swingout revolver but why is the rod off to the side?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElbowLick (talk • contribs) 05:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The loading gate is on the right side of a Colt SAA frame; thus, the ejector rod is biased to the right.  Think about it.  If the ejector rod was centered underneath the barrel, the hammer would block the exit of an ejected case.  -D.E. Watters (talk) 12:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot! I forgot you had to manually eject each cylinder on these.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElbowLick (talk • contribs) 06:49, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I meant each chamber. My bad. ElbowLick (talk) 17:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have a question 

message: The US patent laws of this period allowed protection for 14 years, with the possibility to renew for 7 years. Rollin White tried to renew it, but the Government (President Grant) refused . Source: A study of Colt Conversions 1997 ba Bruce McDowell,  Page 15. hmaag (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expiration of the Rollin White Patent

message: Is it correct and necessary to mention manufacturers of Colt Clones in the head of the Colt-article and some of them for a second time under Legacy? Perhaps for publicity?  
Great Western Arms Company, Ruger, Beretta, Freedom Arms, USFA, Cimarron, F.LLI Pietta and Uberti. -- hmaag (talk) 12:19, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, however maybe in the lede section all that needs to be mentioned is that it has spawned numerous copies/clones, etc.  Greater detail can be given in the body of the article, it seems out of place that the lede should contain Ruger, Uberti, etc. --Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 13:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colt Clones

message: I deleted the section that suggests T.E. Lawrence used a Colt SAA in a confrontation with a highway bandit early in his travels, before his World War I exploits. This is a myth. In his recent expansively vast biography, "Hero," Michael Korda explains that, while the incident with a bandit not being able to figure out the firing mechanism of Lawrence's pistol (therefore being unable to use it against Lawrence) did occur, it was most likely with a Mauser C96- which it is documented Lawrence carried on these early travels- not a Colt Single Action Army. The placement of the Colt in this Lawrence of Arabia myth, Korda suggests, was probably offered to entice American readers, later following Lawrence's life. At the time of the attack, Lawrence was a young English college student studying archaelogy at Oxford on one of his first journeys to Mesopotamia. It would have been extremely unlikely that such a person would be in possession of an American-made Colt handgun- which would have been both very expensive and very exotic, considering Lawrence's station in life at the time. Korda, Michael. (2010) Hero Harper Collins.  p. 174 Slodo2001 (talk) 18:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Lt-Col. Lawrence carried a Mauser on his pre-war travels as a student. He is believed to have carried a Colt 1911 .45 automatic, not a Single Action Army revolver, during the Great War. http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/telawrence.htm https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/11/23/the-arab-revolt-and-the-guns-of-lawrence-of-arabia/ Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lawrence of Arabia 

message: Need info on where to find out what type steel for the early models predating chrome/moly or stainless.  High carbon?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.34.196 (talk) 23:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gun barrel steel type? 

message: I noticed that the handle in the picture is stamped 1883 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Colt_SAA_US_Artillery_RAC.jpg  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.58.158.236 (talk) 21:14, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Its an original Cavalry grip inspected and stamped 1883, used later on an altered "Artillery" SAA. -- hmaag (talk) 14:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the picture of the 1873 model accurate? 

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message: Why does the great equalizer redirect here? The term is nowhere mentioned in the article. 134.130.182.31 (talk) 06:36, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The great equalizer" 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Colt Single Action Army]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved.  Andrewa (talk) 16:42, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Colt Single Action Army →  – Not a PROPERNAME and not capped consistently (or even named very consistently) in independent sources. See, e.g., Kansas Historical Quarterly and Time. Per MOS:CAPSACRS, Wikipedia does not use caps merely to indicate the letters used in an abbreviation. Also proposing to insert a hyphen in "single-action" per MOS:HYPHEN and add "revolver" for clarity and WP:NOUN. (Note that the infobox heading already includes "Revolver".) — BarrelProof (talk) 16:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Strong oppose - "Single Action Army" is in fact the proper name. It is the model name, abbreviated SAA, and specifically capitalized and not hyphenated that way by the manufacturer (see here). Just because it is not consistently titled so by news outlets does not change that fact. - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:07, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: NOTE: I have removed the misplaced "revolver" from the "model name" parameter in the infobox... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Oppose - as per above. --Surv1v4l1st ▌Talk|Contribs▌ 16:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 23 February 2021 

message: I have a colt 45 un1925 pat 1871-72 cylinder and pistol have matching numbers and trying to get more info on the single action revolver any help would be greatly appreciated 2600:1004:B16A:A91B:34A0:9582:964A:6147 (talk) 23:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  M1873 

message: Due to potential COI, posting this suggestion for an additional source citation under ===Engraving=== here, to accompany the existing citation from Wilson 1985, pp. 148–151. The new additional citation seems relevant as it lists the selling price of a first-generation factory-engraved SAA at $17,975.00 (item #21 in the list).
Colt engraved about one percent of its first-generation production of the Single Action Army revolver, which makes these engraved models extremely rare and valuable with collectors. LoVeloDogs (talk) 22:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional source for ===Engraving===