Talk:List of characters in the Star Fox series/Archive 1

message: I merged the minor characters here. The pictures are kinda out of alignmnent, so if anything looks off go and fix it. Thunderbrand 04:17, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
:Also, maybe Prince Tricky or Gen. Scales could be put here? But they aren't really minor, and this article is more of a repository for characters that aren't featured anymore. Thunderbrand 04:27, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
I've merged everyone but the Star Fox team, Andross, and Wolf here, per WP:FICT. It still needs a ton of cleaning up and linting for POV and speculation, but I'm not sure I'm the man for that particular task. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:06, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor characters

message: I think ROB/NUS 64 deserves his own article. I mean, he's a major Starfox member, right? If General Pepper of all people can get his own article, surely ROB can. Agreed? RememberMe? 00:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He did have his own article, but was merged here (see ). Personally I do not care either way. Thunderbrand 16:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The problem with that is that ROB has never really done anything in the series, whereas Pepper got turned into a boss in Assault and has posters of himself all over Corneria. Hell, even Andrew's done more in the series than ROB has. Hrimfaxi 06:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe he can get his own article once Starfox DS comes out and he's a multiplayer character. Anyone agree on that? RememberMe? 14:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can agree to that. Thunderbrand 15:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ROB 

message: That guy he was on the super smash bros melee as Fox's rival may be he can get an articl Mr.Willison 9:07 7 june 2006
:Well, he does have his own article. See Wolf O'Donnell. Thunderbrand 15:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wolf 

message: I think this article should either be renamed or expanded.  The title of the article is currently List of characters in the Star Fox series, which to me implies that we're listing ALL characters.  We certainly could do this, but for those characters who have their own articles, we'd simply put up "Main article: X" and link to that article.  If we're not going to do that, then I'd suggest renaming this article List of minor characters in the Star Fox series, to make the purpose of this article clearer. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This page was once under that same name, and some of the characters here aren't really that minor (such as General Scales). Also I think it is generally clear that the main characters have their own page, and can be seen at the template at the bottom. Thunderbrand 22:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the aim is to make Wikipedia articles as encyclopedic as possible, I think the name and content should match as exactly as possible.  If this article isn't an exhaustive list of characters in the series, we shouldn't be calling it that.  I'm in favor of listing the characters with main articles on this page and just providing a link to their main article, perhaps with a minimal description but as little duplication of content as possible.  (Also, users should not have to scroll all the way to the bottom of an article to access links to relevant content.) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of this article 

message: The current information for James states that during the events of "Dash Makes a Choice", Fox acknowledges his presence, while others present act as if they can't see him. I've played this mission three times, and from what I can tell, no one pays any attention to James; he's not noticed when he appears, and no one (except ROB) speaks to him during his battle sequences, making it seem as if his appearance is purely fanservice. So this looks like inaccurate information on my end; can anyone confirm it, or am I just doing something wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.43.0.202 (talk • contribs) 
:It just looks like wrong info, as you said. Thunderbrand 04:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  James in Command? 

message: This seems to be a bit of an issue. Should all of the characters (except for Fox) be listed here, or should they keep their own articles?
I've been doing some big edits to this article, and I would like to know what to do here. I personally believe they should have their own articles. I think the unnecessary ones, such as General Pepper, were already taken care of.
What do you think? PlatformerMastah 02:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking leaving Fox his own page and merging the rest. I was surprised to notice Falco Lombardi's small page. W/O trivia, its barely above stub. Thunderbrand 03:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or maybe rename the page to List of recurring Star Fox characters (a la List of recurring Metal Gear characters) and follow that page's style. Thunderbrand 04:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I guess we can merge the Star Fox members here. What about Krystal, though? Should she keep her article? It is pretty long compared to, say, Falco's or Peppy's. PlatformerMastah 04:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I dunno. Probably, but it could be trimmed some. Thunderbrand 04:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I merged all but Fox's, Krystal's, Andross's articles. How is it? PlatformerMastah 21:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking good. I could probably do Fox, Andross, and Krystal, probably later tonight. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, Krystal can be merged, I suppose, but Andross and Fox probably should have their own articles. They just need to be cleaned up and updated quite a bit. PlatformerMastah 21:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why should Andross and Fox have their own articles? Fox's article is pretty much "He appears in these games, here's some plot summary of those games", and Andross is likewise, with the addition of a waaaaay-too-detailed description of each of his forms. There's no third-party commentary in reliable sources; it's all sourced to "Well, I played the video game, and here's what happened." - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I suppose you're right, but I believe at least Fox's should stay, as Fox is the signature character of the series; I can get to work on some major revamping of his article as well. I'll also begin to merge Andross and Krystal here. PlatformerMastah 21:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's just nothing you can say about Fox that isn't sourced directly to observation of the games, though. He may be the protagonist, but there's not much more to say about him than Falco or Oikonny. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's looking pretty good so far. Thunderbrand 22:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you mean Fox's article, is there a word in it that isn't sourced to direct observation of the games themselves? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant that the page looks good after merging the other characters, although we should still reduce the image count with the added characters. Thunderbrand 23:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which of the main characters should and shouldn't have their own pictures? I say we can do without maybe the images of ROB and James. Also, I merged the Krystal article (even though it says it was merged by an anonymous user; that was me, I just didn't know I was logged out). You would be amazed how much useless information there was in that article. PlatformerMastah 02:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a problem with merging Krystal into this article: Krystal's article contained a LOT of historical information about her evolution from before she was brought into the Star Fox universe.  All of that information was lost when she was merged with this article.  The same may be true of other characters, too.  Don't you guys think we might be going a little too far to merge everyone's articles into this one?  (I guess I disagree that all the deleted content in Krystal's article was useless.) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 05:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can add some of the Dinosaur Planet information back, but for the most part, the article just contained plot summaries that weren't necessary by any means. PlatformerMastah 05:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it's a hard pill to swallow, since you worked on that page a lot, but I have nothing to counter what AMIB has said earlier. Thunderbrand 14:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a little annoyed nobody made a declaration on the individual pages before going ahead with the merge. But anyway, since I was watching the Krystal page, and that page was a lot bigger, I suppose it should have remained, and a link to that page should exist as a "main article" link on the list of characters page. Also, I dispute the exact wording of: "where she finds and joins the Star Wolf team to spite Fox." After playing through the game for all 9 endings, I don't think she joined Star Wolf explicity to spite Fox; yes, she acts coldly to Fox throughout much of the game, but it seems that she only sided with Star Wolf for the sake of fighting the Anglar invasion and not for the purpose of showing Fox up. It also doesn't mention that she was in a relationship with Panther, although it is mentioned in Panther's section. -- VederJuda 15:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, looking at the Krystal article again, I can see why most of the article could be considered "useless" - the plot summaries from each of the games there, as well as of her abilities, were probably more appropriate for the articles on the individual games rather than her character.  Still, I'd like to state that I think more care should be taken when distilling large articles into short excerpts for lists such as this one - Krystal's Dinosaur Planet info should be included for historical accuracy, as well as a line or two about her telepathic/empathic abilities (which are mentioned but underplayed in the games). — KieferSkunk (talk) — 17:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, what is there right now is by no means final. There is still some tinkering to do. Thunderbrand 17:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, and I'm tinkering with it. :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's legitimate to discuss Krystal's original design in a brief statement, and explain how her role changed in Adventures, as part of her character profile. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the Star Fox members have their own articles? 

message: The to-do list for this article says there needs to be a removal of several images that clutter the page. Can I get an example of unnecessary images listed here? PlatformerMastah 06:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno about that too. We can probably remove Katt's old image. It was cluttered a while ago but to me seems OK. Thunderbrand 14:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When I added that bit to the to-do list, the page was cluttered. Someone seems to have sorted some of that out though. I still think we can lose that image of Bill, SF64 Katt and that Dash guy. Possibly the image of this Fara Phoenix person can go as well. -- Steel 14:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I just checked, it's gone from 18 images to 15 since I added that bit to the to-do list. I don't normally harp on about fair use but 15 is still far too many. -- Steel 15:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I realized that according to a certain rule, the article is currently written in an incorrect form. This is entirely my fault. I'll get on to fixing it right away. PlatformerMastah 22:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I rewrote each section a bit, in which it comes across as more fictional than before. How did it turn out? PlatformerMastah 23:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good so far, IMO. Thunderbrand 23:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oops!