Talk:Miniature Pinscher

message: The second sentence in the first paragraph is "quite certain" that the miniature pinscher is descended from a mix of Italian greyhound and Daschund, but the referenced article, from the American Kennel Club, makes it plain that this is speculative at best. William J Bean (talk) 20:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: The article says Min Pins are "not necessarily bad with children".  I'm not sure this is true.  I believe a word of caution is in order.  Min Pins tend to be more territorial and aggressive around children, especially when they encounter children they haven't met before.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jc174 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children 

message: Material about efforts to breed new colors was unsourced and not a standard practice for maintaining a consistent, old breed. I also clarified (I hope) the section about what colors are considered standard in the show ring in different countries. There is something of a controversy that the UK allows the blue/rust  combination and others do not, but I left out the controversy and just stated the facts. Oh, I also fixed the link to the German Pinschers page here on wikipedia and provided a link to a photo on wikimedia commons, helping to explain that the minpin came before the doberman. Subversified (talk) 04:44, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edited Colors Section 

message: I removed the image request, since we now have images.  I replaced an old image with a new one for the table.
This is a link to the old image:
thumb|150px|none|Miniature Pinscher
Roodog2k 16:37, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Elf | Talk 16:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Image Request 

message: See User_talk:Roodog2k#Minpin_rescue_link. Elf | Talk 20:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rescue links need to come out

message: There are some really strange phrases under the temperament heading.
Little "Napoleon". Where did that come from?
They look mean. Do they really look mean, or did one person think they looked mean because they saw Resident Evil?
They're not for everyone.
I found this whole section extremely negative.  Yes, Min Pins need lots of exercise to help them expel all their energy.  They need to be leashed.  However, they are also spirited, curious, loving, and lots of fun.  My min pin loves kids, is not ever crated, is 100% house/pad trained and as long as we put all our socks away he doesn't chew anything except his toys.  If I were to edit this section I would take the whole thing out and rewrite it.  Am I allowed to do that?  I don't know wikipedia etiquette.
hard to house train and one of the most difficult breeds to housetrain?  i am taking this out.  this is complete nonsense.  a min pin can be house broken within 2-3 weeks without much effort.  they love to please and when they see how happy you are at their behavior they repeat it without much trouble.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.249.50.254 (talk) 15:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temperament 

message: This is a retail site, not a credible source.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.98.223.136 (talk) 18:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Miniature Pinscher Aficionado's ... link needs to come out.

message: You use the former and I think you mean to use the latter. 76.88.16.180 (talk) 03:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gate vs. Gait 

message: (From the opening paragraph) I can't find any evidence of this.  The German word for terrier, according to my Oxford Duden German dictionary, as well as several online sources, is terrier.  I cannot find any instance where pinscher is said to mean terrier.  Additionally, the Wikipedia link to pinscher makes no mention of terriers.  Novernae (talk) 18:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Pinscher is the German word for terrier 

message: I have had several dogs in my life including Min-Pins and they are generally VERY good dogs with anybody. Of course there are some exceptions, just like any dog, but you should not judge ALL Min-Pins by the actions of the few, who unfortunatly have poor quality owners. Have you ever heard the saying "You get what you give"? That could not be more true when it comes to dogs. If you do it properly you can train ANY animal to do what you would like it to, even a cat. 
Take my animals, for example. I currently have 1 Min-Pin, 1 Pembroke Welsh Corgi, 2 cats and a bird. They are ALL trained to not only do tricks, that's right my cats do tricks, But to co-habitate with each other peacefully. I have never had problems with any of them, period, so if you have problems with your Min-Pin or other pets it is probably your fault. Your pets only goal in life is to make YOU happy. Not itself. I am a firm believer that there is no such thing as a BAD pet, only bad OWNERS. As long as you socialize them properly you will have a GREAT pet.
P.S. You should NEVER fully trust what a retail store has to say because they have an agenda to SELL you a PRODUCT. Not to help you find a PET. I know this because I have worked at a couple of different pet stores, large and small, both out front and back in the kennels. Unfortunatly, to them your future pet is just another piece of inventory. 75.73.135.175 (talk) 16:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't Be Stupid 

message: Although documentation is fuzzy (I cannot locate any) and despite their physical likeness, the Miniature Pinscher may not be related to the Doberman Pinscher. It is actually believed to be a cross-breeding of the Small Short-haired Terrier with the Dachshund and the Italian Greyhound. At least that's what the breeder told me when I bought my minpin and made the faux pas of referring to it as a miniature Doberman.
My Dog Is Bart (talk) 22:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Miniature Pinscher actually related to the Doberman Pinscher? 

message: The breed's earliest ancestors may have included the German Pinscher mixed with Italian greyhounds and dachshunds.   
The Miniature Pinscher is not a scaled-down, version of anything, especially the much larger Doberman Pinscher, although both are likely descended from the German Standard Pinscher. It is a distinctly German breed often referred to as the Zwerg or Dwarf Pincher in historical documents. German Kennel Club documents also refer to the Miniature Pinscher as the "reh" Pinscher, but this term is only used for a dog of stag-red color, "reh" referring to a small red deer found in German forests years ago. The one fact remains that the Miniature Pinscher originated several centuries ago as an efficient barnyard ratter, with no relation to the Doberman or the Manchester Terrier. The Miniature Pinscher is reported to include the Dachshund and Italian Greyhound among its ancestors. Many historians and those who have researched the background of the breed agree that this heritage is most likely, adding the shorthaired German Pinscher to the family tree. AKC  
This quote is from the American Kennel Club page. The AKC is the major reliable source on any dog related topic. Removing German Pinscher all the time is incorrect. Hafspajen (talk) 16:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Provenience

message: Move tree climbing picture back to the Temperament section left the article with an enormous gap in the middle. Moved where it was before. Hafspajen (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gap.