Talk:Peter Costello

message: i wonder who keeps doing rude remarks about him although he isnt a minister so i think the honrable should go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Montana Gy (talk) 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:He was a member of the Federal Executive Council.  Please be encouraged to learn more about the Australian political system.  Shot info (talk) 01:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remarks 

message: "The Hon" at the start of his name needs to be removed as this term is reserved for current ministers. All politicians in opposition (even shadow ministers) do not have the title of The Honourable. Once a politician has finished there ministerial duty they loose the title.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.140.69 (talk) 09:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorrect. The Hon is a title for life per APH source. A Member or Senator who becomes a Minister is appointed to the Executive Council and thus has the title ‘Honourable’ while they remain Executive Councillors. It rests with the Governor-General to continue or terminate membership of the Executive Council and consequently the right to the title. With one exception, Ministers appointed to the Executive Council have not in the past had their appointment to the Council terminated upon termination of their commission and hence have retained the title ‘Honourable’ for life. Timeshift (talk) 00:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Does anyone know who the "one exception" is that the above quote is referring to? --Roisterer (talk) 02:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: If you have a published reliable source that says so, feel free to put the reference in the article.  Somebody "telling you something" is not a reliable source.  At this moment in time, Wikipedia has several sources that says you are wrong.  You only have somebody "telling you something".  Which one do you think will win per Wikipedia policies?  Actually, even the The Honourable disagrees with you. Shot info (talk) 12:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only exception I'm aware of is Senator Glenister Sheil (Nats, Qld), who had his appointment to the Federal Executive Council terminated by Malcolm Fraser only about 2 days after has was appointed in 1977, and even before he had been sworn in as Minister for Vets Affairs, for making pro-apartheid statements.  Thus, he was "The Hon" for about 2 days.  It's all there in the EXCO article - that's because I put it there.  Theophanous might qualify to be unappointed from EXCO, but afaik that has never happpened, so he's still "The Hon Andrew Theophanous".  --  JackofOz (talk) 00:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and Federal Executive Council of Australia Handbook tells us everything we want to know about EXCO, including that, barring exceptional circumstances, "The Hon" is for life (see para 2.1.4).  Anyone or anything that says differently is simply misinformed.  --  JackofOz (talk) 01:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Hon needs to be removed 

message: If/when The Howard Years puts transcripts up, it might be worth noting that Costello wanted to go further on aboriginal reconciliation (not just Costello said it, Peter Reith did too). Peter Ballard (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be worth putting in a section on Howard/Costello tensions, but it might also be not notable, I agree. It's just that I found it interesting. p.s. by "Peter Reith did too", I meant Peter Reith backed up Costello's story, not that Reith wanted to do the walk (IIRC Reith didn't want to, like Howard). Peter Ballard (talk) 23:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

text: How would that be the case, when it relates to Costello? Timeshift (talk) 01:30, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reconciliation 

message: I've removed the following from the artricle, and wanted to explain why:
:===Economic Record of the Howard Government===
In a review of the economic policies of the Howard Government published in January 2009, former Treasury Secretary John Stone concluded that Australia had enjoyed “twelve years of unparalleled prosperity” under the Howard Government. As evidence, Stone cites the following key statistics relating to the twelve-year period of the Howard Government:
* Economic output grew by 54% in real terms, as measured by Gross Domestic Product
* Average weekly earnings grew 24.4% in real terms
* 2.26 million jobs were created, an increase of 27.1%
* People unemployed for periods 52 weeks and 104 weeks substantially re-entered the workforce – numbers in each of these groups of the long-term unemployed declined by two thirds
* Real living standards increased, as measured by a 36.1% increase in consumption of goods and services per head of populationJohn Stone, Growth, Jobs, and Prosperity, Quadrant. January-February 2009
Details of Costello's performance as Treasurer are relevant to this article, but the paragraph above relates to an opinion of the entire Howard Government, not Costello's performance. They don't of themselves necessarily tell us anything about Costllo, who is the subject of this article. If the paragraph is not meant to imply these were Costello's achivements only, then it is too peripheral to include in this page and would be better located at Howard Government. Secondly, it suffers froma  point of view problem - John Stone is not a neutral commentator, and his views of the Howard Government should not necessarily be uncritically added to the article as fact. I'm not saying these statistics are right or wrong, only that the source is not independent of the subject, and alternative ones should be found. 
In sumamry - the paragraph is not about the article subject, and would be better placed at the "Howard Government" page. Secondly, the source is not neutral and if these stats are to be used anywhere they need additional referencing. 
As always, other views and opinions welcome. Euryalus (talk) 07:15, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Howard Government record 

message: * In the late 1980s, he was identified as part of the New Right movement,[5] which was organised to some extent in the H. R. Nicholls Society.
: Does this mean organised from within the Nicholls Society, or modelled on the Nicholls Society?  Or maybe both?
* Did he really say “we are uncomfortable with an office that appoints people by hereditary” - as opposed to “heredity”?  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 02:00, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Two queries

message: Aside from being a value judgement, the claim that; "When this did not eventuate, he showed signs of frustration and was visibly disappointed when Howard announced, in July 2003, his intention to lead the government into the 2004 election." is not substantiated by any references, and it ought to be. If Costello really was "visibly disappointed" then that disappointment would have been easily observable at the time, not something miraculously revealed over 3 years later. This comment overreaches, and does not hold up to Wikipedia's fine standards. 
Further, the entire section on Costello's Leadership Aspirations' is based primarily on allegations and hearsay, and this should be highlighted in the article. Costello never confirmed these claims, and they have never been substantiated with conclusive evidence. This should be highlighted in the article, particularly considering how much attention is placed on this part of the article in comparison to aspects of his actual career of which we have substantive factual evidence upon which to write. --Gloryify (talk) 08:40, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leadership Aspirations "Visibly Disappointed" 

message: I'm not sure how it managed to stay there undetected for so long, but i've replaced the copyright violation image with the previous allowed image. I do realise the photo is inferior but it's all we have. Timeshift (talk) 23:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image copyvio 

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message: Why do Costello and Hewson hate each other?--Celco85Celco85 (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why?