Talk:Franz Bardon

message: Bardonian hermetics are definately different from HoGD styles.  Whereas Bardon mentions the qualities of Magnetic and Electric, GD teachings are generally found not to address them.  Many GD schools (and those founded by Golden Dawn members) are very ceremonial.  In Bardon's systems, there is generally very little ritual (except in his evocations and so forth).  His approach could, I guess, be called more spiritually alchemical.  JN322 17:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hermetics 

message: First of all, subjective statements like "to our great loss" do not belong in supposedly impartial, encyclopedic contents.
Secondly, for some strange reason the "References" section cannot be edited (it appears as empty). Could somebody who can edit it, please, correct the term "forward" which obviously refers to a FOREWORD?
--  Changed spelling of 'forward' to 'foreword' in 3rd reference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.250.245 (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Forward" 

message: The article has far too much puffery, handwaving and weasel words in it.  To wit, under the section "The Key to the True Kabbalah" it states "...Bardon demonstrates that mysticism of letters and numbers – the 'true Kabbalah' – is a universal teaching of great antiquity and depth. Throughout the ages, adepts of every time and place have achieved the highest levels of magical attainment through the understanding of sound, color, number and vibration as embodied in the Kabbalah."  That all sounds mighty impressive, but it's entirely lacking in evidence.  There's not a primary source in the world (and none are offered for this claim) that could substantiate such claims.  I'd like for a sympathetic editor to give cleaning this up try before I have to come in with the blunt instruments and cut out the "woo". Bricology (talk) 23:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: * I agree and found more evidence of unsupported claims -- see below. 75.101.104.17 (talk) 03:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up and objectivity-transfusion needed 

message: Whoever wrote this wiki is biased. Bardon was a charlatan and he is over hyped. Someone needs to add a controversy section and discuss the fact that he is one of a trillion to self proclaim as Hermes Trismegistus, that his work is unverifiable and grandiose, etc... There is so much. I don't have time to do it myself or I would. Whoever wrote this was one of Bardon's many fanboys, and while the wiki is informative the information is clearly one sided and over hypes Bardon's influence on Hermeticism (which is practically non-existent.) 174.255.7.63 (talk) 23:45, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was a charlatan 

message: In the section "Frabato the Magician", the discussion of Freemasonry includes no citations whatsoever, but makes the claim that, "The moral basis of Freemasonry is that the balance of good and bad actions is achieved if the mason compensates for his bad actions with good actions or 'vice versa'."  In Freemasonry in the US, there is no such "moral basis" as this (two rights fix a wrong?).  Though I am not personally familiar with Masonry in other countries outside the UK, I would be astounded to hear of such a concept as this within any Masonic tenets.  All that can be done here is say that the author of the article should cite where this claim is stated--from actual Masonic resources, not from an exposé or alternative source; much of Masonic texts are (unfortunately or fortunately) accessible via the internet.  Barring citation, I would recommend this "moral basis" claim--perhaps that whole paragraph--be removed. AGraveHistory (talk) 00:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freemasonry