Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 11

message: Adrian Albert looks legitimately notable, but the article is so poorly written and technical it.s really hard to tell. Note also the creator is a strongly suspected sockpuppet. Circeus 16:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention needed 

message: WP:LGBT has started a drive to cross-reference our LGBT lists with all the people categorised as LGBT on Wikipedia with reliable sources. We have a list of the great unlisted here, and we'd quite like your help! Just committing to adding one person a day to our lists would be great. Please help us out if you can. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help wanted at [[WP:LGBT]] 

message: I'm looking for some members to work on a task force for WikiProject Munich which would be all about biographies related to people born in Munich Kingjeff 05:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WP Munich People Task Force

message: Let me carefully explain:
* Inter-wiki links are links from one wiki to another.  This is things like v:Philosophy linking to Wikiversity's Philosophy page.  
* Intra-wiki links are the ones within a wiki, like Calvinism or Wikipedia:WikiProject Calvinism, linking to pages locally stored on Wikipedia
If you're wondering why I'm going on about this, it's because the 11-step section uses this term incorrectly, and links to an article that describes inter-wiki links, when you're talking about intra-wiki links.  
My suggestion would be to link intra-wiki links (which doesn't have a page) to the appropriate part of the manual.  
-- TimNelson 12:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki links confusion 

message: We have two new workgroups, Wikipedia:WikiProject Peerage and Wikipedia:WikiProject Baronetcies. Baronetcies is a child project of Peerage which is a child project of Biography.
I've updated our template with two new parameters to support these workgroups:
* peerage-work-group=yes
* baronets-work-group=yes
(with some tweaks to follow). I've also written a script to create assessment categories, which I used to set their categories up. I'll also be adding code to support the new params to my plugin, and doing a bot run.
So... since that's a lot of work, I'd be grateful if somebody else (who know's what they're doing) could:
*Add the WP Bio navigation templates and other information to the pages of the 2 new projects, like already at WP:BROY and WP:MUSICIANS
*Add the new workgroups to the navigation templates
*Ensure that the workgroups' infrastructure is properly categorised within WikiProject Biography.
Thanks.
--kingboyk 23:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? I can't do everything myself! --kingboyk 12:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New workgroups: new template parameters & help needed 

message: We still have a list of people categorized as LGBT whose articles need to be checked for reliable sourcing. We've done 128 so far, and could do with more help! This effort is necessary and urgent, to comply with Wikipedia's policy on living persons. Please take a few moments to source one article; if you've got time, do another. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:LGBT still needs help. 

message: There's an issue on this page over a DUI incident and whether it is given undue weight in the article and even if it should be included at all. Can someone provide their input. MahangaTalk 23:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Michael Phelps]]

message: User:Tim riley, I and others have put together a rather thoroughly researched article on Sir Malcolm Sargent.  Both Tim and I are somewhat technologically challenged, but the text is all there.  I suspect it would be easy to get this article up to GA or even FA status if anyone wants to help with images, etc.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers 15:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Malcolm Sargent]]

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers has been established out of council consensus. Please help setting up the film section to the biography template and project components, - reorded Arts and Entertainment etc. Thanks  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 16:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers

message: I am editing a biography article, Amir-Abbas Fakhravar and I have two questions.
# Although I have found plenty of information from secondary sources regarding parts of his life, I have relied heavily on his own biography from his website for his background/family/university life. I just wanted to double check that this is OK? 
# I couldn't find any guidelines for which headings/sub headings are generally good to have in a biographical article. Are the ones I have used any good?
Cheers, --Rayis 17:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two questions 

message: I am trying to find out the date of death for this very little known person, if any body on this task force can help i would appreciate it. Thanks. Article is Ian MacAlister Stewart. Tristan benedict 20:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ian MacAlister Stewart 

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SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  James I of England FAR 

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LuciferMorgan 16:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Duran Duran FAR

message: Have a look at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 5#Category:Animal births by year. Some people seem to still think that merging animal birth and death year categories into the human ones is no big deal. I've pointed out that WP:BIO might have different views. Carcharoth 17:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant category discussion - animals 

message: It needs major work: as it has a massive trivia section, and a lot of cluttered unformatted (and in some cases at least: unsourced). I've done some work on it, but it has a while to go. Someday I would like it to be a featured article: as Kid Rock is a great musician that deserves a decent article. RobJ1981 00:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anyone want to help with the [[Kid Rock]] article?

message: Please forgive me if I'm being dense, but I don't see the Biographies of living persons Noticeboard linked or mentioned on the project page or here on its talk page.  Is it here somewhere and I'm just not seeing it?  If it isn't, is there a particular reason for that?    — Athænara </font>  ✉  03:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to edit the project page; "this is a wiki" applies here as much as anywhere else. --kingboyk 14:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP BLP Noticeboard 

message: Stuff like this is just a little annoying. I've had this a few times now, where an article has been tagged with "infobox required", when birthdates - like here - and death-dates of the person in question are completely unknown, and, in the Millico case, your typical infobox would go on for longer in the viewing window than the actual article does. Is there a way of avoiding this? Cheers, Moreschi  Want some help? Ask! 13:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that for very short articles/stubs, an infobox is not required. But, for larger articles, an infobox is a nice summary of the person. Even if the birth and death dates are not known, there is plenty of other information that can be added to the infobox. If the infobox requires those dates, then perhaps the infobox can be modified to make them optional. --Kimontalk 14:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: When you (Moreschi) used the edit summary "Infoboxes are loathful", were you citing policy, reflecting consensus, or merely stating a personal opinion? Andy Mabbett 14:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personal opinion. Did I offend anyone? This discussion might also interest some - my apologies in advance for my rather barbed comment there, which I've already apologised for :( Moreschi  Want some help? Ask! 14:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The other thing I dislike with infoboxes is that they're a tad BITEY - a newbie trying to edit is immediately confronted in the edit window with something that's both incomprehensible and uneditable. But again, that's just my POV. Moreschi  Want some help? Ask! 14:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My endorsement of Moreschi's views has been put in another section, so I'd like to repeat that his 'personal opinion' is shared by a number of other editors also working in the same general field. - Kleinzach 23:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requst re infoboxes 

message: I just proposed the following wikiproject Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Recently Deceased Biographies to help those articles about recently deseased people attain the highest quality.  Let me know if anyone is interested in this. Remember 14:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if that would require a project in itself. Perhaps a task-force within Biography project would be more appropriate. --Kimontalk 14:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted at the above location saying pretty much the same, although I wouldn't even go as formal as a task force. Just create a subpage of this project and get to work. There's simply no need for more bureacracy. --kingboyk 14:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed wikiproject 

message: I have made a proposal on the page Talk:Bob Dylan to remove Bob Dylan from Category:Converts to Christianity. Please go there to discuss. --Metzenberg 20:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Dylan - Proposal  

message: I've come across some articles that use templates for the standardization of putting native spellings of peoples' names in the opening sentence of the Bio.  For example, Satoru Iwata uses , which automatically formats the various ways the name is displayed.  Is there a centralized location to find information about doing this correctly, as well as somewhere to find further appropriate templates for other languages?  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 15:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  interlanguage opening 

message: Because articles of recently deceased people often attract attention, it may help if such articles are marked.  Inspired by the concept of Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Recently Deceased Biographies, I suggest creation of a template for marking articles about recently deceased people.  The template probably should require a parameter for the date of editing.  The date of addition of a death report should be used, not the date of death.  The template should be removed after a specified period of time.  (SEWilco 04:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See . --PhantomS 05:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recently Deceased template 

message: Howdy folks, we put the spotlight on the stub John Gow. Its now a fully fledged article. You guys can check out our changes at this link. If you want to join our efforts, just hop into #wikipedia-spotlight on the irc.freenode.net network. If you need any help with this just ask me. —— Eagle101 Need help? 00:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:SPOTLIGHT]] work on [[John Gow]] 

message: I was in the process of adding the name David Sutton to the list of recepients of the Benson Medal, and I noticed that the current article under that name is referenced in several articles, few if any of which refer to the same man.  Had I more time, I could have cleaned this up in the usual way.  In lieu of such work, I resorted to the following clumsy preface:
:This is about the editor and author; David Sutton is also the name of an archivist, a theatre owner, a photographer, and a tenor, among others
It would have beeen convenient (and more graceful) to be able to mark a biography as needing disambiguation via a standard cleanup template.  68.165.77.189 23:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was messy so I started the disambiguation page. Note the tenor already had an entry under (singer). (Emperor 15:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A biography-related cleanup template needed 

message: A new editor has come to ask me about a biography he wrote which has been deleted. The article was, honestly, quite bad, although I imagine the subject might just pass on notability if he were written about "properly". I've tried to help him as best I can, but I was a bit troubled to discover that we don't have an article on "how to write a good biography" (or that, if we have one, it's not easily found). I'd like to help this new editor as best I can, but short of writing the bio myself the best thing is to send him to a clear and concise guide. So, if we have one, could somebody please direct me to it; if we don't have one, is anybody interested in making a start? --kingboyk 18:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kind of, but I thought it was a bit "fluffy", you know what I mean? I was looking for something a bit more substantial. Thanks for the reply tho! --kingboyk 19:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried the "11 easy steps" once. They aren't that easy really! I agree, a written version of that might be more user friendly to some. Carcharoth 12:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Article development]] 

message: In anticipation of setting up a review department for A-class articles, I have been reassessing current A-class articles for some time now. Look here and here for plans, proposed criteria, and a large list of downgraded A-class articles. Errabee 10:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy to see that the project decides to adopt A-Class review. I strongly support such a decision, and I declare from now that I'll be a dedicated reviewer! Maybe instead of downgrading A-Class articles, you should leave them as they are, and review them first of all, before new nominations, after the A-Class review is set. In this way, the downgrading will be an official review decision.--Yannismarou 11:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure I'm really qualified to be of much assistance here, but will be willing to help out if such is requested. John Carter 14:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-class reviews 

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LuciferMorgan 19:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Uma Thurman FAR

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LuciferMorgan 19:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lindsay Lohan FAR

message: A number of biography-related infoboxes now produce an hCard microformat. Please feel free to add the necessary mark-up to more. (Cheifly, that's class="vcard" on the whole infobox and "class="fn" on the pagename or name field.) Note that the date of birth is only included if  or  is used. Andy Mabbett 17:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hCard microformats in infoboxes 

message: The A-class review department is up and running. All we need now is a couple of dedicated reviewers. Errabee 12:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would probably be worthwhile sending out a new project newsletter with this news (and other news, such as assessment drive, bot tagging, new film workgroup, etc etc) --kingboyk 12:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea! Unfortunately, Mocko13 has been MIA for more than a month now. I'll make a start with the newsletter, but I'm unfamiliar with delivery options and could use some help with the other subjects. Errabee 13:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's looking really good already! (Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Outreach/April 2007 Newsletter). I'll try and chip in I have time, but not tonight as I'm working on some major internal changes to AWB and it won't compile until I'm done! --kingboyk 21:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I've found the FA list in the logs, and added that - perhaps it could be noted that BROY work group managed 3 FA's in March, centrally through the work of User:DrKiernan, and are continuing in the same vein with Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/George V of the United Kingdom? RHB Talk - Edits 00:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes please! --kingboyk 11:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That would be great, thank you! Errabee 08:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-class review department set up 

message: I note the main project page still mentions the February assessment drive toward the top of the page. I don't want to fiddle with the subpage because I might screw something up, but it probably should be removed. Also, as a potential follow-up to it, has there ever been any sort of organized effort to try to indicate that any of the articles fall within the scope of the various work groups, and indicate such on the banner? I would think that might be a useful follow-up. John Carter 20:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've rworded it a bit, so the link is still there, but it doesn't invite people to sign up anymore. Errabee 21:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions 

message: Step 8 gives the "ONLY" two choices. There is a third - to write an article for the red link. Tyrenius 07:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.  Edited accordingly. -GTBacchus(talk) 07:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article

message: There are over 16,000 articles on living people on Wikipedia that do not cite all of their sources; see User:Messedrocker/Unreferenced BLPs. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 16:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced BLPs