Talk:Jack Chesbro

message: The Fleitz book discusses that Chesbro's original last name was "Chesebrough". SABR is unfortunately incorrect in stating that his name was "Cheesbro". – Muboshgu (talk) 22:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What makes it incorrect? – Muboshgu (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

text: I just performed a search and "Cheesbro" never comes up except for the SABR biography, while "Chesebrough" comes up alot. It's pretty clear that his real name was "Chesebrough". – Muboshgu (talk) 15:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

text: The internet includes some of the best sources available, but is certainly imperfect. Please provide some of these primary sources you're talking about. Also, understand that often secondary sources are preferable to primary sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Also, no matter how certain you are that you are right, please do not edit war over the issue, or I'll request the page be protected from editing. I'm eliciting other editors from WP:BASEBALL on this now. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:14, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Can you show us your evidence? AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 18:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Well, I'm not entirely sure what the situation is, but do keep in that we need to be able to verify the information. We cannot simply take your word for it, unfortunately. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 02:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure who you are, but apparently (if you're being honest), you know what you are talking about. I have no real position on this, my only concern is that the content in question be verified. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 19:44, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with AS. You certainly seem to be speaking from a position of greater knowledge on the subject than I have. Are you Wayne McElreavy? That would make a lot of sense. We do require WP:V to be met. It's basically the single most important issue on Wikipedia. Another question of name verifiability has just come up on Curtis Granderson's article as well. It makes it tough when two different sources contradict each other in these ways. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:02, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

text: The family confirms that his birth name was John Dwight Chesebrough. His father was Chad Brown Chesebrough, his sister (my great grandmother) was Ida Bell Chesebrough, and his brother was Daniel Chesebrough--they did not change the spelling. Family web sites showing this birth name include http://www.chesebro.net/ and http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lanastl&id=I13911 It is true, however that the name is pronounced "cheez-bro" within this branch of the family, not "chezz-bro." It's also true that Houghtonville is currently the usual form of the neighborhood, although the Appalachian Trail still sticks with Haughtonville. 
And how does the family confirm that? You cited two websites. The info is merely repeated from a book over a hundred years old that does not itself provide citations for the data. I spoke with the keeper of one of the sites, who told me the author of the 1903-or-so book was 'very thorough.' Maybe so, but he did not access records from North Adams, Mass. If he had, as I properly cited in my Chesbro bio, he would have seen the Cheesbro and Chesbro birth records. So take a look at those sites. Then look at the listing for Jack's father. Don't you think it's odd that someone named Chesbro or Cheesbro would name his children Cheseborough? (Even the two sites you cite contradict what you wrote above.) It seems obvious to me that the author of that book, which is the genesis for some of the misinformation that exists today in other sources, used the Chesborough spelling in cases when he didn't have primary sources. (It's a common issue with genealogies.) It's as simple as this - if your last name is Browne, and you write 'Brown' on your child's birth record, your child's last name is Brown unless you decide to change it. I have gone through all birth records in the North Adams, Mass., town office. The ballplayer's birth name is 'John D. Cheesbro.' That is indisputable for anyone who has seen the record. (And his middle name isn't Dwight, it's 'D.' One can say the D is for Dwight, but his middle name is D. just as Harry Truman's middle name is S.) Further, I challenge anyone to povide a birth record for Jack's son. The old book has a son born to him in 1898, but there is no such record in Massachusetts for him nor could I find one in Virginia, where he was playing that season. I went through the North Adams newspapers for the entire year and the first half of the following January looking for mention of this child, but I found none. The editors of the Deadball book and I decided it must have been an errant listing. As for the pronunciaton, I have sources saying it was 'Cheezboro' and that appears to be accurate since the family name was often misspelled as Cheesboro in the North Adams newspapers. MacSays (talk) 03:29, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

text: As for whether Aunt Mabel tried to get the ruling changed to a passed ball, my grandparents from North Adams certainly recalled this, and it is confirmed by Jim Reisler's book, p. 98. Note that it's very difficult to prove a negative ("didn't happen"). WP is not the place for original research, but my family tradition agrees with all my reliable sources, and with Muboshgu on this one. And why don't you sign your articles? Finn Froding (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Chesebrough" vs. "Cheesbro" 

message: Altrock's tenure with Washington was not continuous. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:16, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Altrock 

message: There have been some questions about Houghtonville in connection with John Cheesbro's early life.  I have a little personal knowledge which I would like to share.  I was born in 1941 and grew up in Houghtenville which is actually a neighborhood within the Town of Clarksburg, Massachusetts. When I was a boy, Houghtonville was one of the three school districts in Clarksburg.  The others were Center and Briggsville.  Each district had its own neighborhood school.  Their are newspaper stories in the North Adams Transcript about activities in the three schools.  The neighborhoods have strong community identities, but but are only considered named places in the official records. According to a 1885 history of North Adams  W. F. Spear. https://books.google.com/books?id=yWENAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA79 History of North Adams, Mass. 1749 - 1885]. Hoosac Valley News Printing House, 1885, p. 79.
, Houghtonville was originally a large property extending as far south as North Street in North Adams that was purchased in 1868 by the developer, A. C. Houghton.
My interest in this topic started with stories told by my grandfather, John F. Greene, who played sandlot ball with Jack Cheesbro. I did some research and was excited by the connection to my old neighborhood.  More research through Family Tree Maker led to the 1880 federal census Year: 1880; Census Place: North Adams, Berkshire, Massachusetts; Roll: 521; Family History Film: 1254521; Page: 307B; Enumeration District: 055; Image: 0619. The census records show that in, 1880,  John D. Cheesbro, son of Chad B Cheesbro,  lived at 131 North Street in North Adams, Massachusetts.  Other members of the Cheesbro family lived in neighboring homes. As there has been some discussion of the spelling of the family name, including the statement that the name was shortened to fit in the box score, I was interested to see that all the family names in this census page are spelled "Cheesbro". According to Google Earth, 131 North Street is inside the North Adams, Massachusetts city limits about a quarter mile south of the Clarksburg line,  but still inside the original Houghtonville development.  
Another reference, "Biographical Dictionary of American Sports", edited by David L. Porter: states that "As a youth, Chesbro played with the Houghtonville Nine and several other western Massachusetts sandlot teams." It is reasonable to me that the Houghtonville Nine actually played in the Town of Clarksburg.  The terrain in northern North Adams is very hilly and Clarksburg may have had more suitable ball fields. Finally, does anyone have rosters for the sandlot teams Jack Cheesbro played on?   One containing John Greens' name would be very very cool!Johnhreynolds (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Houghtonville 

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