Talk:Mingrelians

message: A note for the participants of the discussion: User:Dauernd is possibly associated with multiple IP vandalism and sockuppetry that have been recently taking place on several interrelated articles. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Dauernd for further information. He has been blocked and I'm sure either he or one of his anonymous associates will again come here to disrupt the article. I urge the users positively interested in the development of the topic to avoid multiple reverts and immediately report him (them) to the admin board (WP:AN3, WP:AIV). --KoberTalk 04:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: I want to get broader input into this whole theory of subethnic groups because it seems somewhat odd to me so I've asked the Fringe Theories noticeboard for their input. Please discuss here if you would like to add your thoughts on the subject. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 01:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have come here from the noticeboard. I think it's quite clear that subethnic group is a useful category used by scholars. For example, English people can be seen as a subethnic group of British people. What are the fringe theories you are discussing? Itsmejudith (talk) 11:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice try Poco! Its his hoax attempt to discredit reliable well sourced material Itsmejudith but you see when confronted with ton sof scholarly sources, its a waste of time not only for him but for all of us. Here , and there are tons more. Iberieli (talk) 14:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

text:  Sources, Sources.... your POVs are irrelevant. Enough references were provided. Iberieli (talk) 01:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fringe Theories notice board 

message: * 20:54, 19 June 2008 Moreschi protected Mingrelians ‎ (Laz vandal [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed])
I'd like to review this to see if semiprotection is still necessary.  As well as welcoming views from regular editors I've contacted Moreschi, the protecting admin. --TS 04:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Semiprotection review

message: see Macrones article : They are frequently regarded as the possible ancestors of the Mingrelians (cf. margal, a Mingrelian self-designation), a subethnic group of the Georgian people / Makrōnes means "tall people" in Greek. So the Greeks changed the real name of this people! Megrel / Makrōn? Böri (talk) 11:26, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The etymology of this term is totally different. It appeared from a sentence - "me Egriseli var" (I'm Egrissian) -> Me egriseli ->megreli.--Diaoha (talk) 12:14, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: me egriseli var is in georgian, mingrelian would say in mingrelian 74.73.113.51 (talk) 21:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Makrōnes? 

message: I was going to edit to add that the suffix -ia is, in general, associated with the surname/family name of Mingrelians. Perhaps an editor might like to take this up?90.194.65.75 (talk) 16:16, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family names 

message: Before I start I need to say that I have read the previous discussions. I have also read the definition of the subethnic group. My claim is that Mingrelians are a different ethnic group which should be mentioned in the article. The source of my claim is that their DNA, not their separate language. Source1Source2 As you can see from the DNA results, Mingrelians have a different DNA than Georgians. Additionally I can distinguish Mingrelians from Georgians by looking their physical appearance. It is logical because they lived in different areas for more than 3000 years (Mingrelians are lived near the Black Sea coast). They can be derived from the same ethnic group, but what we called "Georgians" are formed after the seperation Tzan language and Georgian language. So, It is wrong to say they derived from Georgians. I don't say that "subgroup of Georgians" statement should be removed, but the theory that Mingrelians are seperate ethnic group should be added.  . I can say the same thing for the Svan people. They also have  different DNA than Georgians. Because only difference between Laz people and Mingrelian people is the country they live. Why we call Laz people as a seperate ethnic group then? Why they are not mentioned as subgroup of Georgians? Laz (talk) 12:29, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been discussed ad nauseum. Also, your DNA sources prove nothing. There are no such things as "Georgian DNA" or "Mingrelian DNA". Neither is population genetics data a prerequisite for an ethnic identity, which is usually a complex set of cultural traits. --KoberTalk 16:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Even it is an complex set of cultural traits, Mingrelian people used to have a different set of cultural traits than Georgian people in the past. DNA results prove that. Therefore, it should be mentioned that Mingrelians were a different ethnic group in the past, even though today they are subethnic group of Georgians. Laz (talk) 18:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  In the past, even Georgians proper were not a homogenous group; and this is true for most modern ethnic groups currently peopling the planet. And again, DNA results are frequently misinterpreted and misquoted when it comes to the issues of ethnicity. They prove nothing in this regard. If yes, please provide valid, third-party academic sources.--KoberTalk 19:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The idea of Mingrelians are seperate ethnic group should also be mentioned.  

message: Queen Mariam Dadiani was Mingrelian. She's notable because she ordered a copy of the Georgian Chronicles. Her copy is one of the two remaining extant manuscripts.MEDIEVAL GEORGIAN HISTORICAL LITERATURE (VIIth–XVth Centuries), Cyril Toumanoff. Traditio, Vol. 1 (1943), pp. 139-182  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.73.141.195 (talk) 11:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen Mariam Dadiani as a notable person 

message: Among the notable Mingrelians are one of the most famous poets Terenti Graneli, and the creative director of Balenciaga Demna Gvasalia, and the most successful director of the Soviet Union Georgy Danelia— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.113.51 (talk) 05:35, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Mingrelians