Talk:Flag of NATO

message: Didn't this emblem on flag was made in 90ties not 1953?
There was some contest about new NATO emblem or something like that.
159.148.71.250 12:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: When is this flag even used? ive never seen it anywhere, on the web, at military bases, anything. 24.228.24.97 (talk) 01:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use 

message: There is a little bit more history behind this logo, available on NATO's website, that has a specific history section. The emblem shown in the article is the modern one, but there is an earlier version. It has other names i.g. star. Also, I would like to know the history of the big metal sculpture that sits outside the Brussels HQ - which regrettably is mentioned nowhere on Wikipedia. I have scoured the web, have found numerous questions about it, but no answers. This at the very least looks like that it will either take a trip to a university library, or quite possible a trip to the NATOs headquarters in Brussels. I really do not see much way around this, as the material generated would need to fit within Wikipedia's licensing terms. Nodekeeper (talk) 11:35, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbol and sculpture history 

message: Garuda28 reached out to me for a second opinion on the flag color for the NATO flag. I downloaded the NATO Visual Identity Guideline document that 475847394d347339 linked and did a keyword search for flag. While the logo and flag color of the flag that 475847394d347339 posted is in the document on page 14, however section "1.5.6 Protection of logo integrity" which is listed on the same page states, Although the NATO flag is a recognisable symbol of the Alliance worldwide, it is never to be used as a signature on NATO publications, for other communication purposes or as a replacement for the NATO logo... The official colour code for the blue is PMS 280. which is the color of flag that is in the navigation box. In conclusion, I am inclined to agree with Garuda28 that 475847394d347339 is interpenetrating it incorrectly. The compass of the logo are the same, but the flag color is PM 280, which is a darker blue than the one 475847394d347339 is referring to as a 2016 color change. Neovu79 (talk) 
05:58, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I don't know why NATO published a flag in this color when PMS 280 is noted as the official color code. 475847394d347339 (talk) 16:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Since they don’t explicitly state it, that section should be removed Garuda28 (talk) 17:14, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

text: I do not think that we can take this analysis of the color in the flag of this document to be an alternate flag, unless it is explicitly stated. Anything else appears to lean far to much to WP:ANALYSIS. Unless it is directly stated by NATO that this is a new coloration, I do not agree that this should be added as a variation or change (to echo what was said by user:Neovu79. Do you have any direct statements from NATO on an alternate or redesigned flag? That would change all of this. Garuda28 (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't found any statement clarifying this flag any more than the statement found under the flag that says "NATO flag." 475847394d347339 (talk) 23:00, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Without any statement explicitly stating that the flag has been changed or has variations it doesn’t seem that a section on this can be added. However, if this changes in the future I’d be all on board. Garuda28 (talk) 23:03, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's keep it in mind. I don't know where they have found this flag. 475847394d347339 (talk) 23:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I’ll keep my eyes out for it as well. Garuda28 (talk) 23:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll also keep my eyes open for any additional information. Neovu79 (talk) 05:55, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Flag of NATO]] color 

message: The source of the flag is page 14.  The color is RGB 0-73-144. This is identical to the darker color of the top two compass logos on page 6. However, it is not identical to the colors of any of the lower three compasses. The note to the left of the third logo from the bottom is incorrect, it is not RGB 0-73-144. Also, none of the colors is CMYK 100C-72M-0Y-18K, which is RGB 0-59-209, as converted by GIMP. In any case, the darker colors of the upper two compasses is used in the flag. Thus, the explanation "The above CMYK definition of the logo colours is not based on the computer-generated automatic conversion of PMS colours into CMYK, or vice versa, but has been made as a deliberate, conscientious choice to obtain a stronger visual impact" on page 6 does not apply to the RGB 0-73-144 color. 475847394d347339 (talk) 22:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not think that we can take this analysis of the color in the flag of this document to be an alternate flag, unless it is explicitly stated. Anything else appears to lean far to much to WP:ANALYSIS. Unless it is directly stated by NATO that this is a new coloration, I do not agree that this should be added as a variation or change (to echo what was said by user:Neovu79. Do you have any direct statements from NATO on an alternate or redesigned flag? That would change all of this. Garuda28 (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't found any statement clarifying this flag any more than the statement found under the flag that says "NATO flag." 475847394d347339 (talk) 23:00, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Without any statement explicitly stating that the flag has been changed or has variations it doesn’t seem that a section on this can be added. However, if this changes in the future I’d be all on board. Garuda28 (talk) 23:03, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's keep it in mind. I don't know where they have found this flag. 475847394d347339 (talk) 23:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I’ll keep my eyes out for it as well. Garuda28 (talk) 23:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll also keep my eyes open for any additional information. Neovu79 (talk) 05:55, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Source of the flag

message: While there is no publication on the flag, it's clear that NATO uses both flags broader than a 3:4 ratio and colors lighter than Pantone 280.
https://www.nato.int/cps/su/natohq/topics_151400.htm?
Page 18: 3:5 ratio flag using RGB 15-75-143
Page 94: 3:4 ratio flag color approximates RGB 0-73-144
Page 230: a 3:5 ratio flag is flying, color seems to be Pantone 280
Page 340/498: a 3:5 ratio flag is flying, color uncertain
515: Pantone 280 flag
518: color lighter than Pantone 280
558: banner looks to be wider than 3:4, Pantone 280
570: flag flying broader than 3:4
568: Pantone 280 flag
581: Pantone 280 flag
595: Lighter than Pantone 280
661: Flag flynig broader than 3:4
https://www.nato.int/cps/su/natohq/topics_152773.htm?
88-89 flag flying broader than 3:4 and lighter than Pantone 280
https://www.nato.int/cps/su/natohq/topics_157476.htm?
232: Pantone 280 flag with 3:5 ratio
I think we should term the section "Unofficial colors and ratios."
475847394d347339 (talk) 15:38, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: So WP:ANALYSIS prohibits us from analyzing sources like this. If it’s gonna be added it must be explicitly stated directly. We can’t do anything unless that happens. Garuda28 (talk) 17:10, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like they will continue to use alternative colors and ratios without formerly recognizing any. Instances of printed flags instead of pictures of flying, standing, or hanging flags may not be WP:ANALYSIS. 475847394d347339 (talk) 17:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless it is directly stated there is nothing that can be added. Everything needs to be explicitly sourced. Garuda28 (talk) 17:48, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's clear that the two instances I found of flags in an unofficial color and ratio, one in the Visual Identity Guidelines and one in the map of NATO mission in Afghanistan are both meant to represent NATO (using a flag instead of a logo). The VIG actually states it as "NATO flag."  Instead of reaching a conclusion, it can be noted that two instances of unofficial color and ratio were used. 475847394d347339 (talk) 18:01, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless it is explicitly stated it should not be added. Anything else violates WP:ANALYSIS. This has been stated many times. Simply put, Unless it is said to be an unofficial variation we cannot say it is one. °Garuda28 (talk) 19:25, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is obvious that these flags are meant to represent NATO. I don't think there is reason for analysis here. NATO published the same vector version of the flag also in the "Secretary General’s Annual Report 2014." page 8.  We are not analyzing anything here but simply stating two instances of this particular unofficial flag. Let's note "an alternate ratio and color has been published bearing this ratio and this color in these two publications." Why do you think it is ambiguous that these flags represent NATO? 475847394d347339 (talk) 19:52, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I’ve already stated my thoughts, as has the other user above. Currently consensus appears to be against the addition - however that does not mean it cannot change. Why don’t you put a request for comment at WP:MILHIST? We can get some more people to comment and get some more opinions. Garuda28 (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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