Talk:Palestinian traditional costumes

message: Some of these could perhaps be incorporated into a gallery section in the article. Sadly, they are are all black and white, since they are almost a 100 yrs old. But it adds some authenticity, I guess. Note, there are some duplicates in the list since they have a few nearly identical pictures under different titles.
Bethlehem woman. 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/04600/04625v.jpg
A Nazareth mother 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/04600/04626v.jpg
A "Nazareth mother" 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/04600/04651v.jpg
Various types, etc. Peasant girl embroidering.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/05200/05294v.jpg
The Samaritans of Nablus (Shechhem). Interesting scroll-cover of embroidered silk.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/01800/01824v.jpg
Ramallah woman in embroidered costume
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/00600/00662v.jpg
[Girl of Ramallah wearing embroidered dress]
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/06800/06863v.jpg
Bethlehem and surroundings. Bethlehem. Courtyard of an old home. Girls embroidering and sewing. 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/02600/02603v.jpg
Costumes and characters, etc. Shepherd.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/06800/06809v.jpg
Costumes and characters, etc. Girls of Ramallah.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/06800/06848v.jpg
Costumes, characters, etc. Bethlehem woman
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/00000/00067v.jpg
Costumes, characters, etc. Peasant girl and her ornaments 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/00000/00077v.jpg
Costumes, characters, etc. Bedouin women. 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/01200/01273v.jpg
Costumes, characters, etc. Bethlehem woman 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/11700/11764v.jpg
Costumes, characters, etc. Mother and baby of Nazareth.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/05200/05266v.jpg
Costumes, characters, etc. Nazareth bride. 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/01200/01236v.jpg
Bedouin woman.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/06800/06833v.jpg
Bedouin woman.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/06800/06835v.jpg
Costumes, characters, etc. A Nazarene. 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/01200/01293v.jpg
Agriculture, etc. A Nazareth maiden. In old Nazareth costume.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/02900/02968v.jpg
Costumes, characters, etc. Woman of Nazareth.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/01200/01237v.jpg
Costumes and characters, etc. Veiled Mohammedan [i.e., Muslim] women.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/06800/06803v.jpg
Costumes and characters, etc. Bust of a Bedouin. / American Colony, Jerusalem.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/06800/06826v.jpg
Costumes and characters, etc. Bethlehem family. / American Colony, Jerusalem.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/06800/06814v.jpg
Costumes, characters, etc. Women of Beersheba. 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/01300/01301v.jpg
Costumes and characters, etc. Bethlehem women gossiping.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/06800/06813v.jpg
Woman wearing dowry necklace. 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/matpc/06800/06847v.jpg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadav1 (talk • contribs) 07:07, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
Thanks Nadav. These are quite beautiful, though sadly a little out of focus. What do mean by gallery section? External links? Tiamat 09:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was referring to this. It's just an idea. Also, I think I can do some basic touch up and cropping if there's a photo you think would be good in the article. nadav (talk) 09:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Neat. I didn't know that could be done. I will try to put something together myself. Sorry for the curt tone earlier, I was just sad to see most of the colorful visuals leave the article. I do appreciate you help and suggestions. Tiamat 09:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Trust me, that's nothing compared to how some people have reacted in the past. The policy on non-free images is extremely unpopular on Wikipedia. nadav (talk) 10:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your patience and understanding. Tiamat 11:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

text: So far, I've uploaded two images from those you linked to here. I will add more as well in the coming days. Thanks again for finding these pictures. Tiamat 11:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of some possibly useful Matson collection photos 

message: The article is very good. Perhaps for the lead paragraphs, more could be said to recap or signal the main sections to come: so maybe add something about the garment types and the current collections. Also, if you don't mind my saying so, the lead could give a brief statement about men's costumes as more uniform, etc. Even if the article doesn't expand its coverage of men, w/o something in the lead I'd wonder if the article is only about Palestinian women's costumes (Not that there's anything wrong with that!). Thanks. HG | Talk 16:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article lead 

message: For pre-48, I suggest (1) Gender and societal variations (or, instead of societal, something to capture urban, rural, bedouin), (2) embroidery at same heading level, then (3) regional. I'll BRD this. The central region might need subheadings. Why the order, eg Ramallah first? Anyway, the two list should parallel the order of the town subsections. (Am I missing something?) Oh, looks like Jerusalem should be last, because it borrows from other towns. Otherwise, why not Bethlh - Hebr - Rmlah?
Also -- can the one point about Majdal be added to Gaza subunit  (which mentions Majdal)? Maybe rename Southern and Coastal? Alternatively, why not drop the regional headings here, so there can be a distinct Bedouin section?
For post-48, it looks like it would help to maybe re-order some paragraphs and create 2 or 3 subunits. I'm hesitant to suggest the subheadings, since it would be helpful to keep the article from getting overly politicized (and thereby a bone of internal contention). Still, some para's are more about clothing, some focus on refugee settings, some more about political aspects. The last para, on collections, shouldn't that be moved below? Thanks. HG | Talk 17:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi HG. The changes you made are good. I did restore one bit about the coastal region being agriculturally rich since it relevant to the relative lack of embroidery there, per the observations on Dalman in the Galilee region. Hope you don't mind. Tiamut 16:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm crushed (velvet). HG | Talk 16:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: p.s., if it's relevant to the lack of embroidery, then shouldn't the article say so? It's not an obvious point. Ciao. HG | Talk 20:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Hey HG. I didn't realize it wasn't made explicit and indeed, it may be only my reading of the subject based on this quote: An Arab proverb of this particular region, originally recorded by Gustaf Dalman in 1937, went: "embroidery signifies a lack of work."[20] The region where this proverb is used (the Galilee primarily) is an agriculturally rich area and the implication is that those working primarily in agriculture have less time to make elaborate embroidery. Anyway, I don't want to make explicit what the sources do not. I think leaving it as it is will allow the reader to make their own inferences (or not). But in any case, we show, not tell at Wikipedia, right? Tiamut 19:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure of sections 

message: If some editors here have examples they could photograph and upload, I'd be glad to crop/edit the shots and identify specific techniques and stitches. DurovaCharge! 03:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Durova. I have a couple of examples of embroidery in my home and around town that might be good for this. I'll try to get you some digital shots uploaded by the end of the week. Thanks for your additions to and interest in this article. Tiamut 10:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure thing; please upload to Commons and ping me when they're ready so that I can categorize them etc.  Best wishes, DurovaCharge! 19:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Durova. I haven't forgotten about those pictures but I'm encountering some technical difficulties (my own computer crashed earlier this week and my husband's computer won't upload the pictures from my camera automatically). I'm sorry for the delay, but I will get them to you as soon as I figure it all out. Thanks for offering to help crop and categorize them. Tiamut 20:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for responding.  Too bad about your computer!  Good luck getting things fixed. DurovaCharge! 21:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embroidery 

message: Galleries are discouraged at Wikipedia articles.  Since this one already has a Commons category link, perhaps remove the gallery? DurovaCharge! 10:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means, use whatever images you think are best.  Commons images are completely portable into Wikipedia.  If there's something I can do to help, such as uploading a cropped version to highlight a particular detail, give word and I'd be glad to.  Best regards, DurovaCharge! 20:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Durova; thanks for your offer! Actually; if you could make a cropped version of the Bersheba dress  (in this:  picture, it would be great. Then we could have both the Bersheeba pictures under the "beduin" heading.. Also, Durova: please check my post under "citations" below. Thanks! Huldra (talk) 21:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure thing.  :Image:Bersheba dress.jpg  Cheers, DurovaCharge! 23:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, at GAC redundant galleries are a minus.  This article already has a lot of really interesting photographs and a link to more at Commons.  A lot of work has already gone into this page and I'd like to help bring it to the next level. DurovaCharge! 00:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Oops, I guess I misunderstood.  Maybe I could go through the page and whether cropping could help solve that problem (same detail, smaller image, less background). DurovaCharge! 01:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There, done for two images.  Does that help? DurovaCharge! 01:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

message: One thing that would really help this page is a longer introduction.  For an article of this size, three full paragraphs would be about right.  I could read over the content and try to flesh that out (somewhat as an outsider).  Mind if I post a draft here for the cultural experts to tweak? DurovaCharge! 01:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do! Huldra (talk) 01:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: The last part of  the "Central Palestine"  section (At least everything from the sentence: "In the 1930s, a Bethlehem...") is, AFAIK, only about  Bayt Dajan. (The "Bethlehem visitor" was named Maneh Hazbun, and she wasn´t really a visitor, but went to live in   Bayt Dajan when her brother bought some orange-groves there. Lots and lots about her in Weir, 1989.)  I suggest we move this part  to the  Bayt Dajan-article; I think it is slightly too detailed to be in a "general" article about Palestinian costumes (at least when we are nearly drowning in information!) What do others think? Regards, Huldra (talk) 21:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a great idea Huldra. I agree too with your comment below about how we've just "barely scratched the surface". There is so much we can yet add. But I do think we have a good solid overview of some the major points now, so going for the GA is not a bad thing. There's no need for us to rush onward to an FA after that. We can take our time and give the subject the full attention it deserves. Tiamuttalk 02:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the "Central Palestine" section 

message: ::A historiography section sounds like an excellent idea. DurovaCharge! 00:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps historiography can be merged or at least adjacent to the Collections of Palestinian costumes section, which already deals with how the collections where assembled. Oh, a related or subsidiary idea: perhaps a heading/section on the Depictions & Uses of costumes? There you could assemble the political uses, the postcards, the Orientalist uses, etc. Don't think that would be Synth. Somewhat like various articles about Topic and the Topic in Literature/Culture. HG | Talk 00:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (edit conflict) Could this be merged into the "Collection" section? To me it looks as if the earliest studies were mostly by those interested in Bible studies, Hilma Granqvist is a typical example. Huldra (talk) 00:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ghada Karmi has a few interesting observations  (in her "Search of Fatima"-book) ..how she, I think it was in the 1980´s London, was given pieces of traditional Palestinian costumes from an English fellow Pal. solidarity workers newly back from the West Bank.... Basically, she was told (and I´m quoting from memory here, some time since I read the book, and I don´t have it here with me now) that this was hers, "Palestinian"..  Of cause, she, her sister and her mother had never used anything but  Western dress.  Huldra (talk) 00:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Tiamut, I'm glad you've explained your reasoning. When you reverted my edit of that 2nd sentence, I felt personally frustrated because it was first discussed above and I only did it after Durova's encouragement. Sorry if we acted prematurely. If you feel wedded to that wording, well, I guess I would feel strange arguing, as I did above, against the foreign perspective with you, since I would have expected someone in your shoes to be making this argument. So it goes. HG | Talk 19:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi HG. I felt I owed you an explanation after re-reviewing the talk page on the issue (somehow I missed it before in all the flurry of activity). Anyway, it's nice of you both to be aware of Orientalism, but I don't think it's Orientalist to note foreign travellers wrote a lot about Palestinian costume in the lead. Tiamuttalk 20:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think the second one is good, since it would be nice to have latitude to discuss popular representations as well. Tiamuttalk 20:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, let's try it and others can tweak it as needed. HG | Talk 20:50, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes; I also like the second option. I would also suggest that somebody took  The Shadow of Death picture (by William Holman Hunt) and cut away Jesus, ie cropped it down to what is pictured here: Then we could insert the picture of "Mary"  in the "Costume collection etc" part, with the looong description of her dress (see above: under "Random notes Shelagh Weir (1989)), cited to Weir (1989) p. 15. That, IMO, could be an interesting illustration of the first "modern" Western interest in Palestinian clothing: it was born out of an interest in "Bible-studies". Regards, Huldra (talk) 21:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe add this point with a link to Bible study (Christian). (messed up link in edit summary). Tx, HG | Talk 21:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Historiography and collections

message: Looks like we're ready to give this a try.  I've nominated here.  Let's keep improving - it might be over a month before the reviewer gets here.  Thanks for all the hard work!  Setting sights on FAC... :) DurovaCharge! 20:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have no experience with the "Good article" process, but as the article is now I still see so much missing: mens clothing, (especially how they "signalled" not only religious, but also political aligiances with their head-wear) , more on bedouin "color" codes (say, a widow could signal to the world whether she was interested to marry again or not by the colour of her embroidery! Neat, eh?). We have just scratched the surface.... Regards, Huldra (talk) 02:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article candidate 

message: Under the "Costume Collection, Research, and Display" section: "For example, the painter William Holman Hunt pulled together a collection now housed at the Royal Ontario Museum [32] Another painter of Biblical subjects at that time was Willam Hole, who collected Palestinian costumes with the advice of David Whiting, an expert collector of Palestinian village costume."
It appears to me that "Willam Hole" could simply be a misspelling of William Holman. Funkynusayri (talk) 21:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Funky: it is not a mistake; I added that, it was taken from Weir, 1989. There is also a picture of one of Willam Hole´s paintings (in Weir), and the style is somewhat different from Holman Hunt´s style. (Holman Hunt´s style is far more "crisp", I believe that is the English word). I also did a quick  google-search, under "images": it looks as if Willam Hole specialized in Biblical themes (not *very* high standard paintings, IMO -I guess there is a reason why WP has article on William Holman Hunt, but not on Willam Hole. Regards, Huldra (talk) 22:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just added cite to an article that mentions both artists, among others of that ilk. Do you think maybe the quote under the painting (nice work!) is too long? HG | Talk 22:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: HG: yes, it is a bit long. However, it is all the details which really tells us well Holman Hunt studied the costumes. Perhaps we should put some (or a lot) of those details down in the reference (together with "Weir, 1989. p.15")? Please feel free to change it.  Regards Huldra (talk) 22:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a mistake? 

message: I'll crop them and upload them to Commons if any of them are needed. They were taking by an Australian photographer during the world wars (photos taken or published in Australia before 1955 are in the public domain).
 Closer:
 Lighter version:
By the way, don't we need some images of male costumes? I think I can get some from there too. Funkynusayri (talk) 22:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any chance of getting higher resolution versions? DurovaCharge! 01:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some nice pictures from before 1946

message: Hi. I searched JSTOR for "Palestinian costumes" and added a few references with accompanying text, including stuff on Weir, the Israel Museum, and hijab in Gaza. I suppose in the section under headdress we should mention hijab, too. If this is a controversial/larger issue, then perhaps info on Gaza could be put into hijab and summary-style linked from here? 
(Side question: I also found: "Women and Dower Property in Twentieth-Century Palestine: The Case of Jabal Nablus" (Annelies Moors. Islamic Law and Society, Vol. 1, No. 3, Gender, Family, and the Courts in Muslim Societies. (1994), pp. 301-331.) Very interesting, maybe at most a sentence here in section about social context of costume. However, I couldn't find an article for the bulk of the info here. Are there articles about Palestinian social practices, like marriage, role of Islamic law, etc?) Thanks. HG | Talk 12:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: HG, I edited the JSTOR addition to read:
Though the exhibit did not address contemporary politics and was positively received, it subtly presented the Palestinians as the dispossessed, eliciting criticism of Weir for supporting the Palestinian cause.p.13, Ahmed, Akbar S. "Understanding People: The Exhibition as Teacher" in Anthropology Today, Vol. 7, No. 5. (Oct., 1991), pp. 10-13. (JSTOR)
I can't access the full text of the article. Could you add who criticized the exhibit? It's always good to attribute criticism, rather than makin it sound like its universal in character. Similarly, I attributed the critique of Orientalized portrayals in postcards directly to Semmerling, since its not clear that other critical scholars share in his assessment. 
I also moved the hijab text to the top of the post-1948 section and cut it down a bit for flow and because this article's focus is traditional costume, and not contemporary fashions. 
PS. I'm typing with one hand, so please be patient with me.Tiamuttalk 13:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi. Good luck w/yr elbow. Only Ahmed reported the criticism, though I see no reason why he wouldn't be reliable. He wrote: "A sharp attack on Weir (including a letter in the press) for what was seen as an attempt to project the cause of the Palestinians was not surprising. But the overwhelming reponse has been extremely positive." In terms of Semmerling, I guess the real question is if any of us have looked at the Maha Saca work he's analyzed. Thanks for your revisions and explanations. HG | Talk 14:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

text: PS You handled Semmerling well. Two additional sources, giving you excerpts if you don't have access, I've added above under the Orientalism discussion. Worth a look. thanks. HG | Talk 14:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: HG; I assume Semmerling refers to pictures/postcards like the ones at PHC homepage, take a look at . (BTW, I noted that one of these pictures (and I think it was this one ) participated in a Unesco competition last year, about which postcard best illustrated/helped promote tourism.) Semmerling does have a point, as an example just look at the ladies dressed in Bethlehem dresses: now, if you look at old pictures of Bethlehem streets, (or read the litterature), you will know that the sha'weh headdress would always be completely concealed by the white veil. However, in all the PHC photos the sha'weh is exposed. The way I see it; one strives more for photogenic motives than historical correctness. (However, I´m not sure that is always a bad thing! Tradition is also an evolving process.) Regards, Huldra (talk) 14:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Huldra, glad to hear from you and your sense that Semmerling seems reasonable. But, though this may be apparent, just want to mention that I'm not advocating Semmerling's (or others') analysis, I just think it would add to the quality of the article. And yes, tradition is never static. The more things change.... Best wishes, HG | Talk 14:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  JSTOR additions 

message: Maybe this is irrelevant, or maybe it will help structure this section. Currently lead para states: "Three distinct styles of Palestinian costume..." What are these three? (Is it Ramallah, Bethlehem, ....) At a minimum, I'd suggesting mentioning them upfront. Is it possible that the three styles would help structure the whole section? Otherwise, the section should be structured by the four (or more) towns mentioned at the outset. Thanks. HG | Talk 17:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Central region 

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thread_title: GA Review

message: Funkynusayri found a wonderful high resolution version of this at the Library of Congress and pinged me for a restoration.  So the new version is in the article now and we'll probably conominate for featured picture candidacy.  What eyes! DurovaCharge! 23:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restored image 

message: *This site is maybe useful, there's a lot of text which could be used as references, and the images are PD-Lebanon: http://almashriq.hiof.no/general/600.technology/640/646/costumes_of_the_Levant/
It's all from a book published in lebanon in 1955. I'm sure there was overlap in the use of costumes worn in different parts of the Levant, so a certain description might not be exclusive to the specific place mentioned. Funkynusayri (talk) 22:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Site about Levantine, including Palestinian, costumes 

message: Good news: I've located a high resolution file of a woman in a Ramallah costume and restored it.  Since this is now the best quality image we have and there are two Bethlehem photos already, I'm replacing the lead with the new image.  Hope that's all right with everyone. DurovaCharge! 08:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a wonderful picture, thanks, Durova! Ahem, of course this means that we now have two Ramallah-pictures.. I have uploaded a few pictures on commons (more will come, hopefully!), including come Nazaret-pictures. Perhaps one of those could be used. And let us all be on the look-out for pictures of men; that is what this article needs to get to FA.  Regards, Huldra (talk) 23:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It turns out the Library of Congress has a collection of good quality photography taken by a group called American Colony Jerusalem.  I try to cover a variety of topics in restoration so it might be a while before I get back to this (Just put up a 1789 etching about the storming of the Bastille), but if someone who has a particular dedication to this topic feels motivated to try a restoration, I'd be glad to collaborate--do some coaching and touchup.  Best wishes, DurovaCharge! 17:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, all of us on WP:Palestine  knows the American Colony (or Matson, after the last owner) pictures well: we all love them! Funky has helped me to upload pictures from them to eg. Hebron glass, Nabulsi soap, Mother-of-Pearl carving in Bethlehem...and a few here, including the picture of the man with two sons. None of those pictures have been restored, AFAIK. If you anybody wants to try to restore them, it would be great. Huldra (talk) 21:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if someone wants to get coached in image restoration I'll be glad to help.  I really don't have time to do everything good that I see.  My next upload that touches on your project will probably be to complete a half-done restoration about the earthquake of 1927, but I'm helping someone with a featured topic drive about highways in New York State atm.  Planning to start up an image restoration wikiproject soon, and very happy to get new people up to speed.  All the best, DurovaCharge! 23:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New image 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
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thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: This is a wonderful article.  One possible topic idea -- would there have been a difference between the traditional attire of Moslem and Christian Palestinians?  Mtsmallwood (talk) 06:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The distinctions appeared largely in the headgear worn by the men. Woman generally wore or did not wear some form of veil or head covering depending on their class, or whether they were rural or urban dwellers. Specific villages had their own customs for headgear as well. But generally speaking, there were few signifiers in the clothing between Christians and Muslims that would differentiate them from one another prior to the late 19th century. (See: Palestinian people#Religion for more on that). Tiamuttalk 23:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison of Moslem and Christian attire 

message: Here's a book published in Lebanon in 1955 about Levantine costumeshttp://almashriq.hiof.no/general/600.technology/640/646/costumes_of_the_Levant/, including Palestinian, which could be used as a reference. here's a description of the dress of women from Betlehemhttp://almashriq.hiof.no/general/600.technology/640/646/costumes_of_the_Levant/bethlehem.html and from Ramallahhttp://almashriq.hiof.no/general/600.technology/640/646/costumes_of_the_Levant/woman.html. On top of that, we could use the images in this article, since the photos are in the public domain due to age. FunkMonk (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online book 

message: I stumbled across this marvelous work and some others by contemporary Palestinian/Arab citizen of Israel artist Hoda Jamal. Some of her panels (like the examples at this rather unstable site or here if it isn't working 
 or perhaps this one is better) are based on Palestinian costume designs/motifs. I wondered if anyone with the time, the inclination and better language skills than me might want to say something about her in this article or possibly the Palestinian art article. Although coverage of her work doesn't seem to be extensive or easy to find she seems to have had quite a few exhibitions since she started working as an artist in 1999. I thought her work might be of interest as it's Palestinian costume related but in a contemporary art context. Sean.hoyland - talk 17:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Hoda Jamal/هدى جمال

message: I'm so sorry, but the problems with the article are more extensive than originally identified. A copyright clear notes that there is copying from the book Palestinian costume by Shelagh Weir as well; there could be copying from other print sources. Even if we obtain permission from the Palestine Costume Archive, we will not have permission to reuse Weir's words (for one example ). The only way we're going to be able to use the temporary rewrite is if it is completely rewritten, I'm afraid. I wish it were not that way, but we cannot risk reinstating copyright problems, and we simply cannot check all of the sources. 
I have restored this article to the last point prior to the introduction of suspect material. I have not yet deleted the subsequent versions, although we will need to do that. This is to permit the restoration to the article of all new content added by other contributors (as well as placement of images, etc.) and the removal of all content added by the contributor (who while editing in good faith did not realize that our copyright policies prohibited the content he was adding) from the temporary space. In terms of that rewrite, I would really strongly recommend that contributors take the easier route of simply starting over. The sources can be used - and if Palestine Costume Archives gives approval, their source can be used entirely - but the text simply cannot.
Even though it also constitutes a copyright problem, I am not deleting the article in the temporary space, but will give it more time for development.
Again, I'm very sorry that this is necessary. :( --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:36, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional problems detected

message: Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources.  Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you.  Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:36, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: i mean if the same clothes have been wore anywhere else in the region or are a mix of typical clothes from syria,lebanon..anybody checked?--Dorpwnz (talk) 21:24, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure; mostly the woman´s dresses were very different, both from anything in Syria/Lebanon, but even between different villages. Still, today, looking at older photos, you can see if a woman comes from Bethlehem or Ramallah: very different dresses. Mens clothing was much more uniform. Huldra (talk) 22:21, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about if the palestinian customes are parallel with customes from syria and lebanon and even saudi ? 

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