Talk:Big Dig/Archive 3

message: I think the recently discovered secret driving range in a ventilation building needs to be included somewhere in this article--207.180.180.178 22:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Driving Range

message: Sources [9] and [10] are the same URL ( http://www.thebostonchannel.com/bigdig/3924866/detail.html ), moreover, the article seems to have little to do with the first paragraph in the "Thousands of leaks" section, despite being cited twice.  Is there no article by "the MIT Engineers" that could also be cited? Cnj 02:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Thousands of leaks" 

message: If we have to include a disambiguator in the name anyhow, why not just rename the article to "Central Artery/Tunnel Project?" —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 20:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnwieldy name 

message: Is there anyone who could provide a map of the changes between the roads before the Big Dig and the patterns after the Big Dig?  --myselfalso 21:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: The article suggests that the project was completed in January 2006, however while there is plenty of talk of the construction, there is no mention of the removal of the existing infrastructure that the Big Dig was meant to replace. Can someone add content that speaks to this? --Tfitzg 23:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of existing infrastructure 

message: I assessed this article as a B for Boston and Massachusetts WikiProjects. It is well written, has adequate sources and confirms to the WP:NPOV, WP:NOR and WP:Cite Guidelines. I upgraded it from Start to B for the US Highways WikiProject as that it was more than Start class IMHO. - Jeremy (Jerem43 19:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessments

message: Due to the increasing length of this discussion board, I have moved posts dated from the first half of 2007 and earlier to the archive pages. Posts started in one year and continued in to the next are located in both archives.
Jeremy (Jerem43 18:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New archive pages

message: It has become clear that the consensus for this merger is Oppose, there for I am closing it.
-Jeremy (Jerem43 17:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

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message: http://www.boston.com/news/traffic/bigdig/articles/2008/07/17/big_digs_red_ink_engulfs_state/
--John Bahrain (talk) 13:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the figure of the real cost being $22 billion to the article. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  more bad news 

message: I think the link (http://bigdigdisaster.com/) should be removed because it leads to a site that is similar to Digg.com. Does anyone agree?--Jjupiter100 (talk) 01:56, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the "Big Dig Disaster" link be removed? 

message: Shouldn't a clarification link or context for what "Powers Fasteners, the makers of the adhesive, revised their product specifications on May 15, 2007 to increase the safety factor from 4 to 10 for all of their epoxy products intended for use in overhead applications. The safety factor on Power-Fast Epoxy was increased from 4 to 16." be good?  Without context, this information is useless other than to say it got better.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Satsuke (talk • contribs) 15:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: Someone's taken issue with my recent edits, so I'll open things up for discussion.  I submit that The Big Dig is noteworthy not for its cost, but because of its immense cost overruns, time overruns, and associated corruption and fraud.  As it stands, the second paragraph focuses primarily on simply the cost, and includes an odd quote from Barney Frank.  Only very late in the paragraph does it discuss the things that make The Big Dig noteworthy.  The outset of this paragraph should explain why it is about The Big Dig that is noteworthy, and that is not simply the dollar cost.  Lots of projects are expensive, but The Big Dig was something else.  I invite comments on why this violates NPOV, or what alternate point of view I'm even taking.122.172.14.14 (talk) 11:05, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corruption and Fraud 

message: This article tries to cover a lot of ground, and obviously has involved a lot of effort.
Article suffers for over-reliance on mass-media sources, and are sometimes incorrect or misleading.   Furthermore, the citations/footnotes do not always support the statement(s) being made in the article text.  
For example of propagation of misinformation:
"At the beginning of the project, engineers had to figure out the safest way to build the tunnel without endangering the existing elevated highway above. Eventually, they created horizontal braces as wide as the tunnel, then cut away the elevated highway's struts, and lowered it onto the new braces.[26]"  Reference 26 is to an Associated Press article, which may have contained this incorrect statement - the link is dead, but in any case the elevated highway was supported in place onn new underpinning supports, then the existing columns were cut out; it was never "lowered" - in fact it was never shut down during this process.
For example of misattribution to a cited source:
"A $10 million contract, signed off as a cost overrun, was used to repair these leaks. Many of the leaks were a result of Modern Continental and other subcontractors failing to remove gravel and other debris before pouring concrete. This was not made publicly known to the media, but engineers at MIT (volunteer students and professors) performed several experiments and found serious problems with the tunnel.[33]"  Reference 33 is to a WCVB TV article, which contains no original information on any of the statements made in the article paragraph, makes no reference to MIT involvement, and seems to mainly a TV follow up to a Boston Globe article.
This article covers a serious topic, and these types of omissions do Wikipedia a disservice.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JimfreemanIII (talk • contribs) 17:04, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations/footnotes/attributions 

message: The article says four people were killed. Yet citation #4 (which is linked to that claim) only mentions the one lady who was killed by falling concrete. Was an official death toll ever published?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.227.217 (talk) 16:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to Mrs. Del Valle, one man was killed during constuction, and one died of a heart attack in the traffic congestion resulting from having to close that tunnel for so long. Eight people died as a result of badly designed "Ginsu guardrails" and perhape the four includes one of them. Dick Kimball (talk) 18:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Death toll?

message: Living in Boston, I recall that Governor Romney fired Turnpike Authority Chairman Mathew Amorello, a former state legislator, ostensibly for not keeping the governor propmptly advised of one or another of the Big Dig catastrophes, although it also gave Mr. Romney the opportunity to make his own appointment to that well-paid post. Dick Kimball (talk) 19:18, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems 

message: Since I live in the immediate vicinity of the supposed Arborway line restoration, I can tell you that the MBTA scared the merchants along the former Arborway Line by threatening to reduce or eliminate on-street parking for their customers. Naturally the merchants then opposed the extension. The real reason that the MBTA closed part of its formerly most-used line was to divert passengers to the newly and very expensively relocated (to the Southwest Corridor) Orange Line for public relations purposes and to ensure that UMTA saw its investment paying off. That reason still exists, so the MBTA is motivated not to perform the restoration. By the way, when the Arborway Line ran its full length, on-street parking was not reduced. Dick Kimball (talk) 19:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass Transit 

message: From the section "Impact on traffic":
"The only direct access to Boston's Logan Airport from downtown was through the paired Callahan and Sumner tunnels under Boston Harbor." 
What about the Blue Line? I guess it must have existed prior to the Big Dig and run from downtown to Logan airport? How about "the only direct access by car to Bostons' Logan airport..."?--Soylentyellow (talk) 12:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logan Airport access 

message: I am confused by comment that "as a result of the deaths, leaks..." when the first sentence of the second paragraph indicates that there was one death. Frank Niro (talk) 02:50, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency Noted 

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message: The premise of the project was to create a green space through the center of Boston rather than the green monster that divided the city.  It would be nice to see some photos and discussion of the end result.  If I still lived in the area, I'd add photos.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8052:6D40:709B:B815:57C2:4F (talk) 04:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  completed project? 

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message: These two sections of the article repeat much of the same information. One section can/should be eliminated to avoid this repetition, as it repeats verbatim what has already previously been said.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:194:4000:4E:0:0:0:F7CC (talk) 02:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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