Talk:2004 Spanish general election

message: I'm not a member or anything, so don't know exactly where/how to put this, but when doing some research for a-level spanish coursework, I discovered that the introduction to the page entitled 'spanish legislative elections 2004' (or something like that) is horrendously biased. It seriously needs looking at otherwise generations of young spanish students to come will start thinking that PSOE and Zapatero basically illegally cheated their way into power and are all duplicitous scurvy naves etc.
thank you lovely wikipedia people, it would be much appreciated.
laura 20.04 5 march 2007
Why was the table removed? It had all the links, and the election is on Sunday, so we'll have to put the table back again anyway.... --Vikingstad 01:56, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: True enough. We might just wait until Sunday and then get it back from the history and start filling it... --Vikingstad 02:03, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Instead of complaining, just go and rescue the table from teh page history right now :-) Miguel 17:49, 2004 Mar 14 (UTC)
Is this starting of the 2nd paragraph proper English (I am not a native speaker)? Elections for the elections to the regional parliament... Pfortuny 11:18, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I object to the translation of "chunta"as "junta". Although the translation of "chunta" from Aragonese to Castillian is "junta", the Spanish word "junta" has passed into English with a very specific and undemocratic meaning associated to "military junta". "Junta" in this case has the meaning of "coming together", and the most common meaning os "junta" in Spanish, from which "military junta is derived"is "board", as in "junta directiva" (board of directors) or "junta militar" (an assembly of the top brass leading a coup). 
My family has an Aragonese-Castilian dictionary, I can try to 
find out whether "chunta" translates as something other than "junta". Miguel 06:02, 2004 Mar 15 (UTC)
I assumed that chunta is the Aragonese version of the Castilian junta, which literally translates as group in English, but is usually used in the sense of "military junta." Perhaps it could be translated as Alliance or Union. Adam 06:07, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: "Assembly"? The autonomous governments of Andalusia, Extremadura and Galicia are called Junta. It goes at least to the Peninsula war, when the local authorities organized autonomous governments in the name of the king Fernando instead of the French-ruled State. The American juntas later planned for independence, but that is another story. Could we also use the cognate joint? I think that Chunta is pro-legalization of cannabis :).
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> In the Senate the PP won 102 seats to the PSOE's 81, a better result than in the lower house.
"better" ? Wiki is rooting for PP?
No, it is just a comparative relating to the PP's performance in the two houses. Adam 06:13, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chunta 

message: Since Aznar was not a candidate at this election, of what relevance is his photo? A photo of Rajoy would be better. In any case, please reupload the Aznar photo with him facing inwards. It is serious design error to have a profile photo facing outwards like that. Adam 09:30, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Replaced Aznar's pic with one of Rajoy. As for flipping Aznar around his axis -- not so sure about that. Political considerations aside, what about the future generations burning with curiosity as to which side he parted his hair on? –Hajor 15:52, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Aznar image

message: Mailed-in overseas ballots need to *arrive* by March 17, regardless of postmark, and people could also vote at consular offices up to the weekend before the electron (March 7). For instance, I received my ballot On March 5, filled it out on March 6, and mailed it on march 8. This is important, because it means absentee ballots don't reflect the political impact of the events of March 11-14.
So, Adam, do you know if it is possible to know the voting pattern of absentee (mail-in and overseas) ballots? 
Miguel 16:10, 2004 Mar 17 (UTC)
No, I have no idea about that. There is probably a section on election law at the Interior Ministry election website (linked in the article), but my Spanish won't be up to reading that. It looks like we need a new article on the Spanish electoral system (on the lines of my Australian electoral system, rather than including all this at this article. Adam 01:13, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absentee ballots 

message: Why is there a table of provincial election results for the Senate but not for the Congress of Deputies?
Acegikmo1 20:20, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results 

message: By whom and on what grounds are the netrality and accuracy of this article disputed? Unless they state their reasons, I will delete the tag. Adam 01:14, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The socialists received more votes than expected probably as a result of the government's handling of the 11 March 2004 Madrid attacks. During the days following the attacks, the national government initiated efforts to convince citizens and the media that ETA was to blame for the attacks, when evidence pointed to the possibility that an Islamic extremist group was behind the massacre. If the latter were the case, the attack could have been perceived by the electorate to be a consequence of the Spanish government's support of the invasion of Iraq and the provision of Spanish troops to participate in that conflict.
While I agree with this text, the issue is still highly controversial in Spain. Just take a look at the article on Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and its talk page to see what I mean. 
I think I'll leave it to someone who is not a Spaniard to decide what to do with this paragraph. — Miguel 08:58, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
I agree the paragraph is mostly speculation, and the opinions in it should be attributed to someone. Adam 09:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV