Talk:Killing of Kayla Rolland

message: Victuallers 11:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More about school.

message: I have a problem with the title of this article being "Murder of Kayla Rolland." The child who killed Kayla was only 6 and it was determined he couldn't have formed the intent to kill her. Murder is defined as the unlawful taking of life with malice aforethought, so as such I don't think this should be classified as a "murder." Perhaps "Death of Kayla Rolland"? Thoughts? Robert Beck (talk) 00:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree - moved to Shooting of Kayla Rolland. Exxolon (talk) 22:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I thought the article should be named Murder of Kayla Rolland. In spite of his age, he intended to harm her and knew guns would harm people. He threw the gun in a trash can and hid. He knew he had done wrong.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.97.40.180 (talk) 20:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Title 

message: Now is it just me, or is listed the death date of Kayle in the parenthesis sorta redundant? I mean, you stated the date of the shooting in the first sentence and you explain that the shooting was fatal is in the second sentence, doesn't that make listing the death date in the parenthesis redundant and unneeded? CRRaysHead90 | #OneMoreGame 17:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth and death date of Kayla 

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message: He is not the youngest school shooter in general since on August 22, 2013, a 5-year-old student fired a gun at Westside Elementary School, but he is the youngest fatal shooter so i think that the article should mentioned him as the youngest fatal school shooter and not just the youngest school shooter--Cadeken (talk) 02:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youngest Shooter 

message: The redirect Dedrick owens has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Plantdrew (talk) 21:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Dedrick owens]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: It is already common knowledge among those familiar with this case that the perpetrators name is Dedrick Owens. There is no point in trying to hide it and refer to him as “The assailant” or something like that, just use his real name, thanks. Genberg47 (talk) 20:11, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: His name is not spelled Dedrick. Plantdrew (talk) 22:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is, his father spells it Dedric, the perpetrator himself spells it Dedrick. Genberg47 (talk) 00:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No he doesn't. See the father's obituary. The father has sons named Dedric II, Dedric Jr. and Deangelo. Reputable journalists refrain from naming the boy. There is no reason for Wikipedia to name him. Plantdrew (talk) 00:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all that obituary doesn't even make sense how could he have had two different sons named Dedric II and Dedric Jr, that's not even possible as those terms would both refer to the same person. Secondly, If you google "Dedrick Owens", there are hundreds, potentially even thousands of results that pop up, including articles from "reputable journalists"; Medium.com has an article on Owens, so suppressing his name is pointless. Genberg47 (talk) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It is entirely possible for parents to give multiple children the same first name, and distinguish them by middle names (or to refer to one of them as "junior"). There are reputable journalists that publish on Medium.com, but publishing there does not ensure that somebody is a reputable journalist. As far as I can tell, the misspelling as "Dedrick" (for the father or possibly a son) originated on Wikipedia, as did "Darnell" as a possible middle name for a son. Wikipedia fucked up by naming the boy in the first place (WP:BLPNAME), and sources that misspell "Dedrick" or give the boy's middle name as "Darnell" are engaging in WP:CITOGENESIS. If you want to dig into court records that might give the boys middle name, I'm sure you could find it. WP:BLPNAME does not encourage you to do so. Plantdrew (talk) 03:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really feel like reading through those policies as this whole thing isn't really of importance. I will just saw I agree it was probably a mistake for Wikipedia or whoever did it to leak Owens's name, but now that it is out there, name suppression is pointless, it's not like it's a threat to Owens's privacy as nothing is known about his whereabouts since 2012 when he was allegedly arrested for burglary. Also, his name is almost positively Dedrick, there is no other evidence than that one already kind of sketchy obituary to suggest otherwise. Genberg47 (talk) 04:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop hiding perpetrators name