Talk:Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs

message: There's a bit of inaccurate, or at least out of date, information here.  
"NIDA administers a contract with the University of Mississippi to grow a 1.5 acre (6,000 m²) crop of cannabis every other year; that supply comprises the only licit source of cannabis for medical and research purposes in the United States." -Medical marijuana has been legalized in several states, e.g., California and New Jersey, and there are several thousand legal grow operations across the country.
"Hemp cultivation is theoretically legal in the United States, but tight Drug Enforcement Administration restrictions would likely make it unprofitable." -There are several profitable hemp farms and hemp clothing stores in my town in northern California.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.50.64 (talk) 02:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Regulation of Cannabis Section

message: :Well, the treaty does not really taken a firm stand on what is or isn't drug abuse, since it is more focused on the supply side than the demand side of the equation.
:The U.S. and other organic illicit drug importers did not really want the treaty to focus directly on drug possession and use. They wanted the drugs to be kept from entering their borders illicitly to begin with, which could happen if any nation had loose controls. So, the treaty does not focus on defining the difference between use and abuse (that's left for the medical professionals to decide). Instead, the treaty is all about setting up systems of quotas, estimates, reports, prescriptions, etc. to keep any large quantities of drugs from slipping out of the sole control of doctors and pharmacists, who presumably could be trusted to dispense them for good, and not for evil.
:The bottom line is, the Single Convention was focused on minimizing drug addiction by limiting production and distribution to medical uses (legitimate medical uses being determined by medical professionals, who have the power to write prescriptions, subject to whatever additional limitations the state sets in place). If you could get a prescription, then it counted as a legitimate use. For instance, if a person can get a prescription for smoking weed because his doctor says it helps him relax, makes him happy, and thus benefits him medically, then the treaty has no problem with that.
:There is only one safety valve included, in which the doctors' authority to dispense these drugs at will could be overrided. That is when (1) the World Health Organization, based on scientific and medical criteria, finds that a drug meets the Schedule IV criteria of high potential for abuse and no redeeming medical use, and the Commission on Narcotic Drugs places it in Schedule IV; and (2) The doctors are prescribing these Schedule IV drugs in such an out-of-control way that it threatens the public health. In that case, the state is allowed to prohibit all use except for very limited scientific and medical research.
:I have re-worded the article slightly. Please let me know if you have some more specific advice as to how to improve it. Thanks, 
SonicSynergy 04:02, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: SonicSynergy's response

message: If anyone creates a treatybox, some relevant info is:
*Signed at New York on March 30, 1961.
*Entered into force on December 13, 1964.
SonicSynergy 18:51, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Treatybox

message: :3. The Parties shall adopt such measures as may be necessary to prevent the misuse of, and illicit traffic in, the leaves of the cannabis plant. - Article 28
I would be quite interested in finding out what the Commentary on the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs says about how this should be interpreted. 24.54.208.177 22:19, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article 28

message: More arrest pics are needed, so we aren't using the same one for both this article and United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances. 24.54.208.177 00:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
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message: Anyone know how they define this so that cigarettes and alcohol do not fall within the scope of the convention?
: That's easy. They simply don't define a set of criteria for automatic inclusion into the categories. That way, only those substances deemed harmful to major investors get added as they become problems. So, just like every other law about substance abuse that was purchased by the tobacco and alcohol industries, T&A remain unscheduled. Damncrackmonkey (talk) 21:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alchohol

message: Is the Proposed denunciation section necessary at all? The organization itself isn't that notable to begin with it. I'm going to delete it for now, but if anyone has any objections by all means feel free to revert as you see fit. 147.70.154.192 16:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  necessary? 

message: I quote: "The Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs is the international treaty against illicit manufacture and trafficking of narcotic drugs that forms the bedrock of the global drug control regime." What is the global drug control regime? Who wrote this propaganda?
:Above not signed.
:It could have said "INTERNATIONAL CONTROL MACHINERY", as this is the text in the actual treaty.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.159.46 (talk) 15:16, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs is an international agreement to prohibit production of and trade in specific drugs except under licence for specific purposes, such as medical treatment and research.
Laurel Bush (talk) 13:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening sentence 

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It makes the article difficult to edit. Inclusionist (talk) 23:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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message: Link #1 and #2 are dead..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.223.161.154 (talk) 20:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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message: "*Schedule I – The substance is liable to similar abuse and productive of similar ill effects as the drugs already in Schedule I or Schedule II, or is convertible into a drug.
*Schedule II – The substance is liable to similar abuse and productive of similar ill effects as the drugs already in Schedule I or Schedule II, or is convertible into a drug."
:Should these two be exactly the same? Jenova20 10:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Schedules of Drugs Section

message: This article mentions "As noted below, its major effects included updating the Paris Convention of 13 July 1931 to include...".  However, that is the only reference I can find to it being called the Paris Convention.  The treaty was signed in Geneva, and the text of the treaty fails to mention Paris at all, but I don't feel qualified to change it, because I'm not sure what it should be.
-John
134.184.132.201 (talk) 19:27, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you for pointing this out. I am not sure about what it should be either, but I will try to incorporate it into my future revision work.--Soulparadox (talk) 06:56, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introductory section 

message: Major issues not covered: Exceptions (non-research, non-medical) , e.g. http://www.wola.org/commentary/bolivia_officially_returns_as_a_party_to_the_1961_single_convention_on_narcotic_drugs  and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/13/uruguay-marijuana-united-nations_n_4442077.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular - impact of Uruguay's recent action. (HuffPo probably not the best of sources for this…)  --Elvey (talk) 20:59, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for this contribution. I will review this link and try to incorporate the update into the article, which needs to be updated in other areas as well.--Soulparadox (talk) 06:55, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue tag, due to Bolivia, Uruguay 

message: While this article is on my Watchlist, I have not been able to monitor it sufficiently, and after some minor revisions today, I realize that not only does the article require an overall review and revision, but it also has a lengthy history of discussion and amendments. Additionally, a commendable amount of work has gone into the article thus far, so the process of revision is bolstered by the efforts of previous copyeditors. It should also be mentioned that the subject is not straightforward and it is difficult to locate the large amount of information required without the aid of both physical and online resources. The article may need the attention of an expert. Anyhow, I will endeavor to continue my contributions to the article, but it warrants a team effort, due to the large amount of work necessary.--Soulparadox (talk) 06:53, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 2014 update 

message: "The Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961 is an international treaty to prohibit production and supply of specific (nominally narcotic) drugs and of drugs with similar effects except under licence for specific purposes, such as medical treatment and research."
Ok, but why? I am all over wikipedia trying to find out why illegal drugs are illegal(and why legal drugs are legal). Seems to me to be arbitrary and not based on science or health concerns. There are some references to evangelical Christians and vague references to immorality. Some sort of irrational moral panic? Drug use is frowned upon for a good reason, or no good reason? Why did country's sign the treaty? Their objective is to stop people using certain drugs but why?
These days we are told it's about preventing deaths, but the drug related deaths appear to be a consequence of prohibition and began to occur after the drugs were prohibited. What about at the outset? People aren't allowed to be drug addicts because....? 60.241.100.51 (talk) 06:07, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a forum but I will point you to the 2nd paragraph here Prohibition_of_drugs#First_modern_drug_regulations and the health effects sections of Substance abuse.  The public health article should have a discussion of this, and doesn't. Jytdog (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: "The World Health Organization (WHO) is calling for whole-plant marijuana, as well as cannabis resin, to be removed from Schedule IV—the most restrictive category of a 1961 drug convention signed by countries from around the world." - https://www.marijuanamoment.net/read-the-world-health-organizations-marijuana-rescheduling-recommendations/
I think we should mention this at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs#Rescheduling_proposals. --Bawanio (talk) 20:16, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: WHO

message: "At that date, only Cook Islands, Equatorial Guinea, Kiribati, Nauru, Niue, Samoa, South Sudan, Timor-Leste, Tuvalu and Vanuatu."
They did what?? Can someone add a verb? 2601:602:9A00:33D0:517F:4A6D:58B1:F369 (talk) 06:53, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratification 

message: Under Drugs and Preparations Under Control, Limitations of scope:
Incorrect: "The Convention on Psychotropic Drugs' scope can include any drug not already under international control if the World Health Organization finds that... the substance has the capacity to produce similar abuse and similar ill effects as LSD or one of the other controlled substances enumerated in Convention"
After the ellipsis, it should read "Similar abuse and similar ill effects as a substance in Schedule I, II, III or IV". These are references to the 1961 Single Convention and never included LSD.
Evidence: See Article 2 Paragraph 4 of the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances https://www.unodc.org/pdf/convention_1971_en.pdf
Frankly, this seems like a bizarre error. If intentionally changed to be untruthful, that is very unethical. 
One last word. As we enter this new age of mind medicine, an age wherein we are a mere stone's throw away from eradicating the vast majority of mental illnesses and neuroses, we must ask ourselves if it is the truth we seek. 
Only the truth will set us free. Fishdogg98 (talk) 14:31, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect claim about LSD and scope