Talk:Chris Kempling

message: Reading through the article, I found it rather difficult to keep the various legal processes separate, so I've split it up into sections.  In particular, I think this format makes it much clearer that the letters to the Observer, initial suspension and appeal to the courts were distinct from the CBC interview, letter of reprimand, and BCHRT complaint.
I think the article does a fair job at tackling a difficult topic.  The 2008 citation needs to be replaced with a more objective description of the citation, preferably one that isn't straight out of Kempling's own mouth.  The Rights debate section could either be trimmed, or supplemented with additional points of view from other commentators.--Trystan (talk) 16:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and integrated the "Rights Debate" section with the court case section.  Upon reading it through again, the description of the court case seemed very bare without the arguments made on both sides.  A description of the actual findings of the court seems warranted, rather than just stating that they rejected his appeal; I'll have a look at this later.  The same holds true for the findings of the Human Rights Tribunal.--Trystan (talk) 15:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've expanded on the court case and HRT sections to include summaries of their findings.--Trystan (talk) 15:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section headings 

message: I'm not clear on what the relevance of the August 23 National Post article is.  It doesn't mention Kempling, and states that the academics are concerned over potential legal restrictions on freedom of speech.  There is certainly a clear connection to the human rights tribunal cases mentioned, but what's the connection to this one?  No legal action was ever taken against Kempling for his views, and the cited article doesn't deal with professional codes of conduct.--Trystan (talk) 15:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair points, although it shows that the world is noticing that something has changed here.  Revise or remove as you see fit. Deet (talk) 16:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of "Academics fear speaking freely in Canada" 

message: Although I'm not going to remove it without prior discussion, I think the ex-gay movement category is dubious. It seems to me that someone should only be placed in that category if they are, or at least were, actively involved in the ex-gay movement - simply expressing a favourable opinion about it is not enough. Skoojal (talk) 04:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree that the connection with the category is tenuous.--Trystan (talk) 05:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to comment on your edit summary: "expressing a favourable view of the ex-gay movement does not make someone part of the ex-gay movement", Kempling is part of the ex-gay movement and phrases his activism as part of the broader movement.  However, as this information isn't currently part of the article, it doesn't make sense to include it in the category.  I leave it to other editors to decide whether it warrants inclusion or not, and if so, in what way.--Trystan (talk) 17:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why not just put him in the :Category:Conversion therapy?  It happens to be a sub cat of ex-gay movement. He is clearly active in conversion therapy. Deet (talk) 22:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ex-gay movement category 

message: AS a newcomer to the article the activism section looks flawed to me: a catch-bag of stuff that doesn't quite belong.  
*That he was invited to speak to a Focus on the Family delegation strikes me as insufficiently important to include, and the detail that he said that Canadian officials had not been invited to that meeting even more so.  (As a person of note, he is presumably invited to speak to all kinds of organizations who will invite who they like.)  Also, the description of Focus on the Family as an 'accredited NGO' of the UN sounds to me like an attempt to 'guild the lily'.
*That he had been invited as a witness to a parliamentary hearing may or may not be worthy of inclusion -- but if the only evidence for the new 'investigation' and the intervention of Siksay and Toews is a speech that Kempling made in a partisan setting, I don't think we've reached the bar of reliability. 
*Kempling's statement that he would appeal to the UN may be worth including, but a direct quote from his press release seems otiose.
I suggest deleting the first two and moving the third to a single line ('Kempling has stated that he will appeal to the UN') elsewhere.  138.73.172.55 (talk) 15:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  activism section 

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