Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive1

message: Is it worth it changing any article with (hockey) in the title to (ice hockey) instead? It's not a huge deal, but when I'm editing, I tend to forget which articles get which parenthetical. — flamuraiº 22:44, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
Unless anyone objects, I'm going to move all the (hockey) articles to (ice hockey) for consistency. – flamuraiTM 20:08, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
:It's alright except for a few things: World Cup of Hockey, Hockey Canada, Hockey USA, Canadian national men's hockey team, American national men's hockey team, Canadian national women's hockey team, etc.
Earl Andrew 03:24, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency &mdash; (hockey) vs. (ice hockey) 

message: A similar timeline has been put up at User:kelvSYC/Timelines for the World Hockey Association. kelvSYC 23:10, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHA timeline 

message: I have googled myself silly and I can't find the right info. Being in South Korea, I don't have access to real live books about hockey; Just the internet. For the 1920-21 NHL season I need some help finding information. That season was the last 'split season' in the NHL and all the sites on the net (that I have found) only show the combined totals for the whole season. The first three seasons here on Wiki are all fine. They show the split wins and losses. But this one season...the last season seems to be a tough nut to crack. If anyone out there has the info, could you please help me. I am going crazy. Thanks! Masterhatch 20 August 2005
:Done and done. --93JC 19:24, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
::Thank you! Masterhatch 20 August 2005
I need some more help finding some info for the 1950-51 NHL season. I am missing some playoff information and Al Rollins information. All the tables are built, it is just a matter of tracking down the missing stats and plugging them in. Any help would be great! Masterhatch 27 August 2005
:I've completed Rollins' stats, but I don't have any playoff information. Anybody out there have it? --93JC 18:52, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
:: I plugged in the playoff info a couple days ago.  RGTraynor 09:00, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
:::I saw that. Great work! thank you. I have been meaning to get back to finishing the seasons, but I have been side tracked lately with an edit war and it has been taking up too much of my time. I hope to get back to the seasons shortly, though. Masterhatch 09:04, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done.  Just FYI, if you have (or can obtain) either Coleman's Trail of the Stanley Cup (good luck) or Total Hockey, the date and score information you've been lacking are in those.  RGTraynor 07:43, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would kill to get either of those books, but alas, I am in the land of the mourning calm (South Korea) and finding any books about hockey is near impossible. I have to rely on memory (which is fading fast with old age) and what I can find on the net (which seems terribly inadequate). I am planning a trip into Seoul this weekend and I will hit one of their major book stores and see what they have, but i doubt there'll be anything. In regards to English, Korean book stores seem to only carry ESL type books, children's books, and popular novels (such as Stephen King). So, I build what I can here on Wikipedia with what information I can find and hope that someone else comes a long with the missing pieces now and then. Masterhatch 10:23, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, heck, it doesn't make much sense for you to pay through the nose to obtain what I already have, when I can fill in the info just as readily as you can.  Just keep letting us know what you need and I'll plug it in.  RGTraynor 10:45, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a plan that'll work. It's taking me longer than I expected to resolve the edit war I am involved in, but (hopefully) it'll be resolved soon and I can get back to the NHL seasons and completing the player lists for each team. I really want to have all 30 teams up to date before the the new season begins. One thing i have noticed about the net in regards to information is that it quite often contradicts itself and sometimes knowing which site is right and which one is wrong can be difficult. For example, I have seen several different spellings for this team Saskatoon Crescents from the Western Canada Hockey League on various sites around the net. I believe Saskatoon Crescents is right, but seeing other spellings always throws a doubt into my mind. Masterhatch 11:30, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

text: One more thing. I seem to be having trouble finding the Regina Capitals logo. If anyone out there has it, could you add it to the Regina Capitals article? Thanks! Masterhatch 06:08, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I need some help finding info 

message: If one goes to the 1923-24 NHL season, one will notice three question marks where stats should be. The first two are in regards to dates and the third one is in regards to a game score. If anyone has those stats, could you please fill 'em in? Masterhatch 05:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done.  Just FYI, if you have (or can obtain) either Coleman's Trail of the Stanley Cup (good luck) or Total Hockey, the date and score information you've been lacking are in those.  RGTraynor 07:43, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would kill to get either of those books, but alas, I am in the land of the mourning calm (South Korea) and finding any books about hockey is near impossible. I have to rely on memory (which is fading fast with old age) and what I can find on the net (which seems terribly inadequate). I am planning a trip into Seoul this weekend and I will hit one of their major book stores and see what they have, but i doubt there'll be anything. In regards to English, Korean book stores seem to only carry ESL type books, children's books, and popular novels (such as Stephen King). So, I build what I can here on Wikipedia with what information I can find and hope that someone else comes a long with the missing pieces now and then. Masterhatch 10:23, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, heck, it doesn't make much sense for you to pay through the nose to obtain what I already have, when I can fill in the info just as readily as you can.  Just keep letting us know what you need and I'll plug it in.  RGTraynor 10:45, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a plan that'll work. It's taking me longer than I expected to resolve the edit war I am involved in, but (hopefully) it'll be resolved soon and I can get back to the NHL seasons and completing the player lists for each team. I really want to have all 30 teams up to date before the the new season begins. One thing i have noticed about the net in regards to information is that it quite often contradicts itself and sometimes knowing which site is right and which one is wrong can be difficult. For example, I have seen several different spellings for this team Saskatoon Crescents from the Western Canada Hockey League on various sites around the net. I believe Saskatoon Crescents is right, but seeing other spellings always throws a doubt into my mind. Masterhatch 11:30, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

text: One more thing. I seem to be having trouble finding the Regina Capitals logo. If anyone out there has it, could you add it to the Regina Capitals article? Thanks! Masterhatch 06:08, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More Missing info

message: Wikipedia:Featured_article_removal_candidates/Montreal_Canadiens brings up some issues with the current team page format. ccwaters 22:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes!  Someone finally commented on the fact that the "Facts" section and the infobox are essentially redundant.  So which needs to go?  Keep in mind that this really caused the en-us/en-ca fight earlier (since all of the infoboxed used "colours", even when it shouldn't have, it left the articles with mismatched US/Canadian spellings, often adjacent to each other on the screen).  I think these have all been fixed (for the NHL, anyway), but the same information should not be repeated within the article.  Flyers13 03:13, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  NFL teams (Pittsburgh Steelers)are the same way. NBA teams (Golden State Warriors) do without the fact section. MLB teams (Seattle Mariners) display their farm system in the infobox (that won't work). Just some ideas... I've been switching lang to the team's country whenever I notice otherwise in my American Hockey League work. ccwaters 03:50, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team Page format 

message: Yes, I've been guilty of this in the past, but can we refrain from linking to league acronyms and use the full names instead? I cleaned up some prominent AHL links and changed them to AHL (Sorry, I haven't checked how to display inline wiki syntax. Anyone that knows how has my permission to edit those properly). Actually, can we establish a convention of using the full name at the first mention, and then maybe supplying the acronym for additional mentions? This might be especially helpful with Canadian Hockey League vs. Central Hockey League. Just to be thorough: the ECHL is officially just the "ECHL" after the merger with the West Coast Hockey League So the Stockton Thunder will be members of the ECHL, but the Hampton Roads Admirals were members of the East Coast Hockey League, which was abbreviated ECHL. Nothing is ever simple, is it. ccwaters 23:26, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  League abbreviations and links 

message: I got warnings about article lengths. Should we somehow archive some of this? There's a lot of chatter (me included :) ) Its a good thing really, we're active and productive. ccwaters
:I wouldn't worry too much yet. Take a look at talk:Sea of Japan naming dispute. Now that is a long talk page. Masterhatch 01:10, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Length

message: What do you think about using my timelines in the relevant articles?  Do you think we should include them or put them in a separate page?  kelvSYC 04:45, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using the timelines 

message: As unfortunate as it may be, the team is officially named the "Mighty Ducks of Anaheim." I think we should use that when formally referencing the club. That would also apply to the Beast of New Haven (AHL). ccwaters 14:03, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *sigh* I agree Masterhatch 15:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  No way around it.  Maybe the new owner will change the name.  RGTraynor 17:05, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mighty Ducks

message: It took me long enough, but all of the teams are complete as of the end of the 2003-04 NHL season except the List of Hartford Whalers players. My fingers are tired of copy/paste so, I will give them a break and do the Whalers another day. I believe the List of Chicago Blackhawks players is complete, but I didn't thoroughly check them. I don't like the way that page is layed out as it makes it difficult checking players. But a quick glance over the chicago players tells me that there doesn't appear to be any missing players. Now that that those lists are complete, I can move onto other projects like the List of NHL seasons and puting a season-by-season record for all the teams.
So, now that those lists are complete, whenever a new player plays for each team, it would be a great help if those players were added. Masterhatch 15:31, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The List of Hartford Whalers players is now complete. Masterhatch 05:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A note I forgot to mention. When updating players on the player lists for the team with rookies, don't forget to add the rookies to the List of every NHL player. Masterhatch 05:53, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

text: This is a topic that I have avoided discussing because it will cause a huge disagreement but I will put my two cents in anyway. This is the English language section of Wikipedia, so therefore we don't need the diacritics. Honestly, I feel that everywhere on the English hockey pages the names should be written without the diacritics except on the main player article itself, but not as the main article name. The main article name should be written without them. So, the "Jan Hrdina" article should be Jan Hrdina, not Jan Hřdina. The article should start like this: Jan Hrdina (Jan Hřdina) was born blah blah blah. Could you imagine if Richard Park's article was called Richard 벅? "벅" is not an English way of writing and neither is "ř". But this is a very touchy subject so I am not going to argue my beliefs; just make them known. I am not going to "fix" all the diacritics, but on the other hand I am not going to add them either when I make player lists. I will ignore them when I see them, but if I have to type that players name, I won't use them. Masterhatch 01:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I think the solution is to write the original article with the proper diacritics (throughout the entire article) then create a redirect to the page without the diacritics. I believ there is a difference between how Hrdina's name is written with the diacritics and how you wrote Park's name with the native language, which is not the same as adding diacritics.SD6-Agent 03:16, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of NHL players]] 

message: I have noticed that the Ottawa Senators page has their uniforms on their page. I have all other team jerseys if anybody wants them just message me. Bestghuran 16:50, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Requested more info at his talk ccwaters 00:14, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Team Uniforms 

message: New York Rangers	New York Rangers
                	
Founded         	1926
Home ice        	Madison Square Garden
Based in        	New York
Colors          	Blue, red, white
League          	National Hockey League
Head coach      	Tom Renney
General manager 	Glen Sather
Owners          	Madison Square Garden<BR>(Owned by Cablevision and Fox Sports)
AHL affiliate   	Hartford Wolf Pack
ECHL affiliate  	Charlotte Checkers
Yeah, I know, I'm late to the party on this. The headers on the infoboxes got colorized in the last few months, and it's shot legibility all to hell. I considered changing the background on the Rangers header to "navy" but that's not quite accurate. Should we move these back to monochromacity, or leave them in their spangly-hued wonder?  RasputinAXP  talk * contribs 02:37, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I like the idea of using the team colours for the headers but I do agree that some of the colours are a little "off". If we can find the right colour matching, i think it would look pretty sharp. Masterhatch 03:32, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why we can't just use the major color for the background and have text color be white in the headers.  Thing is, the basic HTML color words are a little "off." We'd have to go through and start matching them better. I changed the example on the right to match Ranger blue more accurately. It's #009 right now, which is a lot better than the #00F of "Blue."  RasputinAXP  talk * contribs 11:45, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on Infoboxes 

message: If no one objects, within the next day or two I will refactor this page. I don't think it needs to be archived, just refactored for readability. Masterhatch 03:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages