Talk:Nachtigall Battalion

message: Article needs to be rewritten, otherwise it violates copyright because it is taken almost word for word from the Holocaust encyclopedia published by the Wiesental centre http://motlc.learningcenter.wiesenthal.org/text/x16/xm1688.html
. Bandurist 12:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I second that, it copies that source faithfully. Besides, there is very little information on the battalion itself, it seems to concentrate only on alleged atrocities. If that is the subject of the article, then it should be renamed or kept balanced without WP:UNDUE. As well, connection of Nachtigall to Khatyn has not been established. Please read the cited source carefully: it mentions a police battalion made up of Ukrainians and Belarusians, not Nachtigall. Let's keep this article well balanced and not turn it into another vehicle for Ukrainian bashing. --Hillock65 13:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to take anything personal, in fact it was carried out by a politsai battalion which was formed in Kiev, my mistake... So much for brotherly love nonetheless. --Kuban Cossack 13:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are indeed, you missed the fact, that the majority of that unit were Belarusians themselves. Stick to the subject of the disscussion, please. --Hillock65 14:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite accoding to several sources. However you are right that the discussion is pointless, brother! --Kuban Cossack 14:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I copied this reference from the Dechenais comission article. I was concerned primarily with the authentic Canadian document exhibited there. If this one of the ways to disrupt the article, it won't work. I will find the same document from another source. As well, please do not insert unsubstantiated claims into the text. Thanks. --Hillock65 18:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If such a document exists, it can be sourced to reliable sources; galiciadivision.com is not one of them. Then, what do you believe are "unsubstamtiated claims"? If you're talking about the sentence "On their way through Zolochiv and Ternopil to the area of Vinnytsya, Nachtigall troopers participated in pogroms against Jews.", then the reference is right after the next sentence. It's online, you can easily check it. Beit Or 22:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Where does the Dechenais Commission mention the Nachtigall Battalion in their report? I was unable to find any instances. Beit Or 22:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nachtigall Battalion

message: It appears that this article presents all the relevant information. There is no "white-washing", just a presentation of facts.
All facts are cited and referenced. 
Thanks, Horlo 02:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As an uninvolved editor, I see no problem with the article. It seems well sourced and factual, the tag is unnecessary in my view. Martintg (talk) 20:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  In this case  who then is allowed to remove the tag, and by the way - who put it there in the first place and why? СКОБ Bandurist (talk) 00:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Irpen placed the tag . Since a lot of editing has been done since the tag placement, I think you can be WP:BOLD and remove the tag. You will soon find out if anyone objects. Martintg (talk) 01:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest removing the disputed tag 

message: Any objections? If so, please state why so that we can work to resolve them.
Thanks, Horlo (talk) 06:04, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motion to remove the tag 

message: Interesting video about Machtigall on U-tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q0NFUGhN0U
Bandurist (talk) 04:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nachtigall video

message: Content aside, the 'Controversies' section is just weirdly organized. Who exactly is "The Polish side", who is "The Russian side"? Is this a reference to some specific conference, committee, trial or publication? If not, then it needs to be rewritten in an encylopedic manner. The section also uses many NPOV "words to avoid" , like "alleges", "contends" etc. which should be replaced with simple "says" and "states" (I did a few then noted the controversy on the talk page and paused to write this first).radek (talk) 02:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies section 

message: Does appeared   any new data instead of mentioned here ? ThanksJo0doe (talk) 12:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Chuyev is widely quoted on ruwiki. No problem there apparently. There you go.--Galassi (talk) 12:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you suggest a source which suggest his scholar credential and indicate him as graduated historian or sole representative of the The Russian side (as http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nachtigall_Battalion&diff=391423453&oldid=391423257]) ? Could you also indicate a source for World opinion:  - about commission established by Oberländer request . Thank youJo0doe (talk) 07:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Chuyev as a source

message: The German wiki has a different German name and this page's German translation doesn't sync up with the English. Someone care to clarify this?--Львівське (talk) 17:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper name and translation 

message: Woul be nice  to explain - source citation here  suggest 
The skills acquired in 1941-1942 became useful in the UPA’s ethnic cleansing of the Poles of Volhynia.[41] In the spring of 1943, the men of the Schutzmannschaft battalion 201, who had crossed over from Belarus to Volhynia came to constitute the heart of the OUN(b) security service, the Sluzhba Bezpeki, or SB, under Mykola Lebed, who also led the OUN until August 1943.[42] Other officers of Schutzmannschaft battalion 201 became officers in the Waffen SS Galizien - Balyanovskyy itself provide information about specifically about officers - so 14 out  20 - it's called most. Whats wrong with later to  Neuhammer? Also Source does not suggest As the result, the battalion was recalled to Cracow and disarmed on August 15 - it gives an info about disarming of the privates during transportation - officers were not disarmed - weapons to all  were returned by end of September  (delay caused by the information about desertion intent)- see pages 369  Jo0doe (talk) 07:32, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A revert

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Unsourced. There are different opinions, one of them is that the soldiers arrested but didn't kill.Xx236 (talk) 10:06, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That whole segment is strangely written. Purporting that one obscure study represents 'world opinion', and lowering the Wiesenthal Center, which is widely regarded as authorative to below opinions from Ukraine & Canada, the former of which has been found lying about this topic repeatedly is in my view utterly unencyclopaedic.--ConfusedAndAfraid (talk) 06:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Polish side contends ? 

message: --Sean P Marshall (talk) 00:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diferences in the given sizes of the batalions