Talk:Jewish Voice for Peace

message: This is a hit piece section. It will be dramatically reduced in size. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. This came up in November as well but did not get comprehensively addressed. There is a related issue of overquoting too. JArthur1984 (talk) 02:57, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

text: I agree that the section grossly overrepresents JVP's critics, but I do feel that the information is relevant and worth having available. I'm thinking of organizing the information, cutting back some of the quotes and more inflammatory language, and moving it to a separate page for criticisms/controversies. A much shorter, more balanced reception section can wikilink to that page. Thoughts? NuanceQueen (talk) 23:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe separate "Criticism" articles are generally disfavored and considered a WP:povfork. But the idea of continuing to reduce quotations and such seems very wise. Although there have been some various efforts made to reduce quotations since November, there is more to do. I would encourage that if you are interested! JArthur1984 (talk) 00:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @JArthur1984 Gotcha, thanks! I'm pretty new to this, so I don't have extended protection permissions yet, but I'll check back when I do and see if it still needs cleaning up. NuanceQueen (talk) 02:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia, and happy editing.  JArthur1984 (talk) 02:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Okay, I have a heavily condensed version with some additional information on post-10/7 coverage in my Sandbox if someone with editing permissions wants to take a look at it. NuanceQueen (talk) 19:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: Hello all-- confession: I haven't read the whole wiki article yet(!), and I'm sure I'll find more inaccuracies and misrepresentations, but I notice a major factual inaccuracy regarding who/when/where it was founded: it was *NOT* founded by Noam Chomsky or Tony Kushner! It was founded by Julia Caplan, Julie Iny, and Rachel Eisner in 1996 in Berkeley, CA. They were reacting to Israel's opening of an entrance to an archaeological tunnel near Haram al-Sharif in 1996, which touched off Palestinian protests that led to the death of 61 Palestinians and 15 Israeli soldiers. AH -- and I found a (rather crappy) source for this fact: https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-wake-of-war-leftist-self-hating-jews-find-a-voice/ It's also important to note that the original JVP was not anti-zionist. The original founders stopped being involved with the organization pretty soon after founding it, so I don't know how their politics would align with JVP in its current form. 71.183.157.124 (talk) 06:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There seem to be several other sources that support what you are saying. Also, for interest, "JVP formed in September, 1996 in response to the provocative opening by the Netanyahu government of an archaeological tunnel under Jerusalem's Temple Mount that led to confrontations in which 65 Palestinians and 14 Israelis were killed." And just to show that Wikipedia is not internally consistent, see Young, Jewish, and Left and search for Julia Caplan. Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Something worth adding is that the IP initially commented (and later edited) "My grad-school colleague Lincoln Shlensky was one of JVP's co-founding members." I made some lookups on newspapers.com and found this 2001 article where Shlensky is mentioned as a co-founder. Might be worth adding? Either way, I think there's enough coverage to justify adding that JVP was founded by UC Berkeley students. B3251 (talk) 17:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the three based on this recent source, no idea about the other. Selfstudier (talk) 17:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual Inaccuracies 

message: While there may be a few factual errors, there has been a concerted campaign against the political positions of Jewish Voice for Peace. This article seems, in its intent balanced. The only thing I can see that may be problematic is the fact that there is any lengthy introduction to JVP, no matter how neutral it is. JVP is no longer afforded the modest welcome from the Anti-Defamation League suggested by former leader Abe Foxman's declaration on anti-zionism: that if an anti-zionist one is opposed to a Jewish homeland he/she is anti-Semitic; but if one is opposed to nationalism across the board, then to be opposed to Zionism may not be anti-Semtic.  The more recent CEO of ADL Jonathan Greenblatt changed the orientation and the open embrace of the organization, stating that if one is anti-zionist one is "anti-Semitic.  Full stop." The result was the resignation of key staff. ADL, along with AIPAC have encouraged campaigns to bring down the esteem of the organization founded by Tony Kushner, Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein, Wallace Shawn and other liberal Jewish Luminaries, all of them subtle thinkers and writers. Let people be informed about the organization and make up their own minds, rather than taking down all neutral. One needs only to look at the current ADL website to see what (non-neutral) enmity this has aroused. This entry is by and large sound. It is not for non-authors to determine that an entry presents the organization the way it wants to present itself. Disclaimer: I am not a member of JVP, nor any "anti-Semitic" organization. 66.44.26.19 (talk) 19:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction