Talk:Haruhi Suzumiya (character)

message: Well, I find myself being "brash" about making this move on my own.  Yet, the discussion seems to lean towards this direction.  As a separate article, it will be much much easier to organize material relating to Haruhi.  Eventually, the other characters in the series will follow some similar style of organization.  For now, I'll leave an initial To Do List:
*1. Decrease Fancruft
*2. Increase writing focus towards Haruhi as a character, personality, history, and any other approprate attribute
*3. Infobox (sorry, I do not know how to start one from scratch)
*4. Citations and Sources
*5. An extra 2 or 3 pictures of Haruhi
*6. Fix where it says she wrote the movie. She never actually wrote anything and just came up with it on the spot.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.205.221.117 (talk) 17:20, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Modeling this page in a similar fashion to other character pages will be of great assistance. KyuuA4 06:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Immediate ToDo List

message: I've created some basic info boxes, and will begin applying them for the main characters
Template:Haruhi character
Feel free to edit the template to add any extra information you think may be useful
- Turbanator 23:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info boxes created 

message: Easy yet difficult. Does anyone have ideas in terms of rewording and sentence structure. Not every single bit of info has to be in-universe but just enough to get Haruhi to GOOD Status. I've been going over some of examples of Character articles that are such. The main problem is the lack of in-universe citation and information...Fox816 00:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we need out-of-universe sources for GA status. Any article that is too in-universe, no matter how many references, how good the writing is, or so on, will not pass a GA review. Any information on her development, reception, things based on her, appearances in other media, etc. should be included and be the focus of the article. Read WP:WAF. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 00:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Argh, apologies. I had the 2 mixed up. That's what I meant. In terms of in-universe citations wouldn't be needed since it's coming directly from the story and is basically a fanpage. Haruhi has massive attention yet credible information to cite is hard to come by. It's mainly all fan-sponsered. Fox816 23:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gonna have to competely gut out the text to make it sound out-of-universe. KyuuA4 17:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Switch to Out-verse Style 

message: I just watched the entire series, and I agree, this entire article and several other in the suzumiya haruhi articles are all from a "somebody who knows haruhi personally" sort of view.
So I fixed it.
Offensiveandconfusing 19:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was written in-universe basically because we had no out-of-universe information available or if ever, translated properly. Newtype-USA came out with some issues that contained interviews with the cast. If anyone has those copies and can include any relevant info from it into the article that would be great. I believe it was in the July-Oct issues.Fox816 20:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can check out WP:ANIME/M to see who has those magazines and ask them to make scans or something.--十八 01:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  =^_^= 

message: I read somewhere that the reason a timequake occured at the mysterious "3 years ago" point was to protect Haruhi's origin so that no one or nothing could go back in time and prevent her from being born or otherwise existing. I'll keep an eye out for the site where I saw that little tidbit and, if I can find said reference (and also if it's an official fact), add it to the page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.106.216.224 (talk) 08:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the anime, stated by Mikuru to Kyon when they were city searching for aliens, the timequake was caused by Haruhi and disabled time travellers from moving beyond that point. As to whether or not it was to protect her is certainly speculation. The translations done by the Baka site are pretty rough, if that's where you read it or if the info you read it used that as a source. Anyways, we'll keep an eye out if it comes along. Fox816 (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, my theory on the "timequake" is much like the theory Itsuki gives for the reason why he and other Espers were created. Haruhi, who I hope I do not need to remind you all has reality warping ablities, wanted to meet Aliens, Time-Travelers, and Espers more that anything. As Itsuki stated, the Espers gained their powers because of the fact the Haruhi wanted to meet them. Also, based on the fact that Mikuru stated that Haruhi herself was the cause of the time rift (as pointed out by Fox816), as well as the fact that Haruhi is not aware of her own powers, it is unlikely that it occured to protect her (in fact, my personal belief system tells me that had Haruhi not been born, simply someone else would have the powers she does). Based on these points, I say this "timequake" occured because Haruhi so wished to meet Time-Travelers, she (unknowningly) created a situation where they could not go back any further than some as-of-yet unspecified date when she was 12-13 years old, which would cause time-travelers to cluster at that time so that she could meet them. Now, before I get any comments asking why, if such is the case, doesn't she go out and find them, I shall again source Itsuki as an answer (quite reliable, isn't he?): Itsuki stated in the anime (possibly the novels, I don't know because I haven't read them and probably won't for a while because I can't read Japanese, Chinese or Korean) that, while Haruhi wishes to meet things such as Aliens, Time-Travelers and Espers, she actually (and suprisingly) does have a more rational and reasonable side to her mind that knows (or as the case may be, thinks it knows) that such things just aren't possible. For my closing statement (if you've had the attention span, let alone cared enough, to read all this), thanks for taking the time to read my unnecissarily long-winded rant on this topic. ChaosVonGin (talk) 03:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is stated in the anime that the reason the time travellers cannot go back in time is because when Haruhi was around 12-13 years of age is when she realized her life was dull and not interesting compared to everyone elses. And so she subconsciously created a new world- One where things like Aliens, Time Travellers, and Espers could exist. And so, the "old world" never existed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.41.90 (talk) 20:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually actually, both light novels and anime are legendarily vague on the subject of what's actually going on / has happened in the past. They float numerous hypotheses, sure, but they invite the reader/viewer to pick and choose what to believe. About the only two things they establish with any certainty are, 'Haruhi has extraordinary powers which can drastically affect reality' and, 'three years ago from the start of the series, she unconsciously did something which radically changed the world as the characters in-series perceive it'. Pretty much anything beyond that is only so much speculation, whether it's made by the characters or by the audience.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.64.26.218 (talk) 15:02, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for "timequake" 

message: I want something else from the Haruhi series to become a good article (excluding the lists), namely a character page. Kyon is also a good one to try out.
I've edited the first 3 paragraphs to give more information, even quoting Tanigawa, borrowing a few ideas from the Hatake Kakashi GA, seeing as there are precious few anime character GAs.
Feel free to remove it if the changes are too much, I know there will be repeated information, as I haven't edited past that point in the main article, but hopefully this will be a start.
Turbanator (talk) 15:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed the lead paragraphs 

message: We should also include when right before Kyon kiss Haruhi while they were in closed space, he told her that he liked it when she wore a ponytail and then the day later she did it in a ponytail. Then during the baseball tournament she made Mikuru dress in a cheerleader suit and then said to have her hair in a ponytail but she saw that Kyon was right there so she changed her mind.--71.166.131.20 (talk) 01:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ponytail 

message: I don't really like the picture of Haruhi. I think it'd be better to use one of her with short hair. Agree? Disagree? Zuko Halliwell (talk) 02:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Picture 

message: This section is, to be frank, a complete mess. I attempted to copy edit it, but it contains so many run-on sentences and random subjects that it borders on gibberish. I don't have the necessary information about the character to give the section the complete rewrite that it clearly needs, so I held off on making any edits. If someone that knows the character/subject well could clean up the section (even if it ends up shorter in the process), that would be great.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlimX (talk • contribs) 03:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: EDIT: I will edit it tomorrow. (Tomorrow for me, anyway.) After looking over this article as a whole, it's all a bit more of a mess than I thought. Some important, if not vital, information about Haruhi is only mentioned in this "Haruhiism" section, so I will be moving that over into a different section, and rewriting it in an out-of-universe style. With that information moved, and small, unimportant details removed, this whole article, I think, will be better. JaykeBird (talk) 04:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies for not working on this section like I had said. I have been busy. I really do feel bad if others were depending upon me to work on this. If I can find the time and ability, I'll do what I can. JaykeBird (talk) 06:54, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Haruhiism" section 

message: "Tsundere" doesn't literally mean "hot and cold". Its meaning is somewhat similar to the figurative meaning of "hot and cold", however, it's not the same. From the Wikipedia article on Tsundere: "... that describes a person who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing their warm side over time. The word is derived from the terms tsun tsun (ツンツン?), meaning to turn away in disgust, and dere dere (デレデレ?) meaning to become 'lovey dovey'." So rather than the bipolar-like roller coaster of indecisiveness characteristic of "hot and cold", "tsundere" displays slow but gradual warming up from "tsun tsun" to "dere dere".
My main beef with the wording though is that it seems to imply that the Japanese expression "tsundere" literally means "hot and cold".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.36.194.63 (talk) 13:18, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tsundere 

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