Talk:Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen

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This article is very poor  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Germinal12 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Its mildly funny, because stereo-typically both French and American share that kind of self-importance.  =)  I agree with you, though.  Know Einstein (talk) 21:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unbalanced article? 

message: Much of the article gives the impression that Thomas Jefferson was the fountainhead of the document, citing English-language historians. Certainly he was an influence but one among many, as he appears in the more balanced French article. 
The German, Portuguese, Italian, and Spanish articles don't even mention him by name, so the difference between the French and English articles can hardly be put down to French national pride. This reads rather like it was written by people who can only see the world from an Anglophone perspective . 105.227.132.177 (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Its mildly funny, because stereo-typically both French and American share that kind of self-importance.  =)  I agree with you, though.  Know Einstein (talk) 21:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This shouldn't be an article about Thomas Jefferson 

message: I am fairly certain that "severly" in Article 9 is a typo, but, as I don't speak French, I'm not 100% sure what it should be.  (severely, severally (??)).
Anybody?
Article 9 Every man is supposed innocent until having been declared guilty; {but,} if it be considered essential to arrest, any action, which is not necessary to secure the person, must be severly repressed at law. 
Randy Kramer
: Clearly, "Severely" -- Jmabel 21:07, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Typo?

message: Actually in french the word for "man" is the same word for "human". But the translation in english do not take this in charge... That's why there is a capital letter at the begining of the world for "man" in french, the capital letter is here to tell us "we talk about the human in general, includes the women" that's why actually it's the "Declaration of the Rights of Human and of the Citizen"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shensko (talk • contribs) 22:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, Then what was all the fuss about making a female version about?  "Baiser la différence!"  The analysis of the ladies version seemed oddly harsh.  Like, *SHOULDN'T*  it be a basic copy of the men's version?  Why so snarky then? Know Einstein (talk) 21:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Women's rights

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians!
I removed a paragraph from the section "Philosophical and theoretical context" which contained little to no encyclopedic information, but was rather a metaphysical discussion of whether or not there is such a thing as "secular natural law". Though that is certainly an interesting topic, and though I actually agree with the annonymous editor who wrote the paragraph, an article on Wikipedia is certainly not the place to carry out such a discussion, so I went ahead and deleted the paragraph altogether. It read as follows:
According to a legal textbook published in 2007, the declaration is in the spirit of "secular natural law", which does not base itself on religious doctrine or authority, in contrast with traditional natural law theory, which does. But, this claim is an ex-post justification and a metaphysical doctrine. There can't be "true" secular natural law because, if it is, it means there exists a moral transcendental being in terms of human desire and humane imperativeness of the French Revolution that transcend nature's law such as natural selection or the law of survival of the fittest. That is, "secular natural law" is based on "social contract" which is a product of thought experiment, a fictional base. Thus, it is not "natural" but "artificial" and subject to change at any time according to a collective belief of a society. Then, it loses it universality and generality which "law" has to have. The concept of general will which is in the declaration suffers the similar issue. After all, whether it is "natural law" or "general will", it needs something transcendental that is in contrast with "secular".
Kind regards, Nikolaj1905 (talk) 13:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I removed an editorializing paragraph 

message: This article has a major gap, in that it lacks an "#Impact" or "#Legacy" section. Monarchs all over Europe trembled over this, fearing revolution could approach their shores. Some of this is covered in Influence of the French Revolution. As an example: one impact covered neither here nor there is the influence on Thomas Paine, who penned his essay Rights of Man in London in 1791, framed as a response to Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France It was a monumental attack on monarchy and attempted to stir working class readers to embrace radical Republicanism. It was a blockbuster in England, selling 50,000 copies in England alone in the first three months. Prime Minister Pitt said, "Paine is quite right, but what am I to do? As things are, if I were to encourage Tom Paine's opinions, I should have a bloody revolution." This was before the guillotining of the French monarchs, and when news of that and Robespierre's excesses arrived in England, repressive laws against free speech and political dissent were instituted directly as a result, and people were imprisoned for speaking out. The government went on a character assassination campaign against Paine, including claims of zoophilia. Crowds amassed, stirred up by thugs paid to incite the crowd and burn effigies of Paine in public squares, finally driving Paine out of the country, trying Paine in absentia and convicting him. Mathglot (talk) 00:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have sources for these things, I would encourage you to go ahead and write the missing section. Nikolaj1905 (talk) 07:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impact or Legacy section is missing 

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I still can't wrap my mind around this failure. What was the primary cause? The influence of religion?  Traditional social roles of masculinity?  How do you go about calling for a revolution in every sphere of life and leave out half of the people involved? It does not, and never has made sense. Viriditas (talk) 01:24, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women's rights 2 

message: The second republic in the world?! What?! That's wgat is describes the Haitian Republic to have been. Even if one excludes the numerous republics created in the Middle Ages, surely whoever wrote that absured statement couldn't count to 3: 1)USA, 2) FRANCE, only then 3) Haiti. So how is it supposed to be second on the list?! -SC BENHAM historian author 213.119.204.50 (talk) 08:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The text in the article states "...the second republic of the New World...", so I assume the intended meaning was "in the Americas". Mindmatrix 14:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haitian Republic 

message: I noticed there's an external link in the Substance#Active and Passive Citizenship section to an old political cartoon. Is there a reason it isn't embedded directly in the article? Surely it's public domain by now, though I'm not certain how France's IP laws might be relevant here. Xx-bean-xX (talk) 15:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Comic