Talk:EFL Cup

message: This article looks a little neglected. I would suggest the entire gray infobox in the past winners section is duplicate information and rather inelegant as well. JoelCFC25 18:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neglect

message: Does anyone have any information on the man of the match award? I think it is named after a former FA Secretary, and I know the recipient gets a trophy for it, but does anyone know any more? Mcauburn 11:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's the Alan Hardacre Trophy. --  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  20:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a source confirming it (with spelling Alan Hardaker Trophy), and advising that it was first presented at the 1995 final.  Hassocks5489 20:54, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: MOTM

message: I've created :Category:League Cup.  Now that this category exists, it would be good if we can decide on a standardised naming system for its contents.  Articles in :Category:FA Cup Finals follow the FA Cup Final XXXX format, similar to the FA Cup season articles in :Category:FA Cup.
League Cups are always better known as their sponsorship name (Rumbelows Cup, Worthington Cup, etc.) so I would personally recommend that naming convention, as with Carling Cup 2006-07.  As for the year, which could go before or after the cup name, I don't have a preference on either, as long as they're all the same format. SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  20:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming issue

message: Other countries have league cups as well. Maybe we should create a disambiguation page (also given the fact that the official name of the League Cup appears to be Football League Cup)? I would define a league cup as a cup competition which is more restricted than the big domestic cup, usually the latter is open to a large number of clubs, while the former is often open only to clubs of the highest league. Examples include the DFB Ligapokal, the Scottish League Cup and the Football_League_of_Ireland_Cup. There should be more, in fact in any country where it is possible to win a domestic treble. Crix 02:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. "League Cup" doesn't even signify the sport.  I don't know if other sports have a league cup, but if they do, I think a name change would def. be in order.   SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  03:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I added a template, feel free to expand it, so far I have: England, Germany, Hong Kong, Ireland, Scotland. Template:National football (soccer) league cups. I think we really need a page that tries to define "league cups" in general, akin to Super Cup, which defines super cups in general. Crix 17:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Perhaps make it Football League Cup, to make it analogous to Football League? Qwghlm 21:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would link it directly to England and to football.  And if it's the correct name, it is perfect. I'm not sure what's exactly written on the trophy.  Slumgum T. C.   00:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's by no means totally clear, but I think it does say "Football League Cup"  Qwghlm 09:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what it looks like to me, too. I'd support a move to "Football League Cup" as a way to differentiate it from other cups. - Pal 12:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't support moving the "League Cup" redirect unless it is shown that there are other equally renowned competitions that are known simply as the "League Cup". Also note the thousands of links that use that redirect page, and the work that would need to be done to change things. aLii 12:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would strongly suggest moving, you know football is not only played in England. While in other countries these secondary cup competitions usually do not enjoy as much prestige as the primary one (the German Ligapokal comes to mind), there nevertheless is a number of league cups in other countries as well. Just have a look at the template at the bottom of the page, which I modeled after the one used for cup competitions and to which I added all secondary cup competitions I could find information about. Another possibility would be to create a disambiguation page, something like League cup competitions in other countries. Crix 10:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: This article is about the English League Cup. For others, see League Cup (disambiguation).
This:
#Solves the problem of thousands of articles that are (currently) incorrectly linked
#Uses the most well known League Cup as the main article 
#Gives a simple and obvious link to other League Cups (currently not available)
Any comments? aLii 12:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Why not bring this back to League Cup. When you say League Cup, it's the second-rate English football tournament, when you say World Series, its the MLB Finals series. --Howard the Duck 13:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the official name is the "Football League Cup" and that differentiates it from other league cups. I say keep it the way it is for clarity's sake. - Pal 18:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's not always the official name that counts, or else, it'll be Britney Jean Spears, not Britney Spears. Wikipedia uses the most popular name, and in this case, "League Cup" is the most popular. And you don't call the World Series "Baseball World Series," either. --Howard the Duck 05:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: League Cups in other countries

message: This section is redundant to the current season's article. It shouldn't really be included in this article anyway. I'm gonna be bold and remove it.  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  00:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current campaign section 

message: if you see it, it is self-explanatory.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.163.29.1 (talk) 21:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism in Preliminary Round Section

message: There's a new Carling Cup logo for the 09-10 season which has replaced the logo on this page. 
The logo is in use on www.football-league.co.uk/page/CarlingCup and www.carlingcup.com 
80.238.0.145 (talk) 20:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Carling Cup Logo 

message: Please Add Ryan Giggs in the MOST APPEARANCE ON A FINAL:5 (1992, 1994, 2003, 2006, 2009)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aznluvchrist (talk • contribs) 19:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  MOST APPEARANCE ON FINAL 

message: This could stand with some fleshing out, especially with dates. It mentions a couple of names involved with this early history, and I suspect that those of you in England and Wales these names have some meaning. But those of us elsewhere have no idea of when these guys lives. Kind of like us mentioning Pete Rosell in the history of the SuperBowl. About the fourth or fifth paragraph down we get some mention of the 50s and it appears that the first one occurred in the 1960s sometime, but we don't know exactly when the idea first occurred and how long it took from first concept to implementation.Wschart (talk) 22:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  history section 

message: Grr, what about MK Dons 4-0 victory over Man U? BarroMan
13:19, 07 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: What about it? – PeeJay 13:41, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  2014-15 Campaign 

message: What name(s) will the Football League Cup take from 2016–17 season? English League Cup or English Football League Cup? Tell me your thoughts. Santiago Claudio (talk) 03:51, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: We have to wait and see. Qed237 (talk) 20:56, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The name has been changed to the EFL Cup - I have moved it twice but it has been reverted Kivo (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: We use common name rather than  official name. If you want it moved, start a discussion to get a consensus to move it. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The precedent of the National League (English football) rebranding would suggest that the article should be moved. --LCrowter (talk) 21:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rebranding for League Cup? 

message: Can anybody confirm when the Sponsorship began? The page says 82/83 season, but the match programme for the 1982 final says "Football League Milk Cup Final" on its front page and Liverpool were presented both the Football League Cup trophy and the Milk Cup trophy after the 1982 Final v Tottenham.
:This page, which is already used as a reference in this article, indeed states that the Milk Marketing Board sponsorship started with the 1981-82 season. – PeeJay 12:52, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Milk Marketing Board

message: Below is the clause:
As a result of the negotiating tactics, UEFA provided the League Cup winner with a place in the European competitions providing the team was in the first division.
Birmingham won the League Cup and got relegated in the same season (2010/11) so when was this clause removed? Mobile mundo (talk) 16:20, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Flight clause 

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message: Efl cup is note better than UEFA Championds League 117.205.82.242 (talk) 09:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Who said it was? – PeeJay 12:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Efl Club 

message: whenever I click on 2023-24 EFL Cup, it redirects to EFL Cup (main page) even though it's been confirmed who's in the 1st round Katherine Northey (talk) 06:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  2023-24 EFL Cup redirection 

message: "the lead is supposed to summarise the entire article".
However, it is not supposed to carry every detail, otherwise the remainder of the article becomes superfluous. On the other hand some detail is worthy of repetition, maybe even necessary.
At Line 24, the introduction contains this rather long sentence;
"Winners not only receive the EFL Cup, of which there have been three designs, the current one also being the original but also qualify for European football: from 1966–67 until 1971–72 the winners received a place in the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, from 1972–1973 until the 2019–20 season in the UEFA Europa League (formerly the UEFA Cup) and starting with the 2020–21 season in the UEFA Europa Conference League." (pauses for breath!)
Further on in the article there is a sub-section titled Trophy
"The winners receive the EFL Cup, of which there have been three designs – the current one also being the original, a three-handled Georgian-style urn with a separate plinth (added later)". It goes on to mention the makers (Mappin & Webb), that it weighs 2.976 kg. And then it gives the precise detail and reasons behind the three designs, and the return to the original design. It's all there, again, three times over to be sure.
So why does this particular background trivia (three designs...) also qualify for inclusion in the lead-summary?
At the risk of scoring an own-goal; in the Wikipedia article about the FA Cup, there is a similar conundrum (two designs, five actual cups...) and yet somehow that introduction is far more readable, and less like wading through treacle.
And when we come to the Wikipedia article about the FIFA World Cup there is even more history involving two designs, two thefts, and a dog called 'Pickles'. Yet strangely, that article completely avoids cluttering up the lead/introduction with any of that trivia, leaving it all to be mentioned further down in a sub-section titled (wait for it) Trophy.
I attempted a minor edit to the introduction for 'The EFL Cup', but my edit was undone. I have no intention of starting an editing war, so this is just an invitation to discuss the matter. Who knows, someone might persuade me to go the other way and add yet more words to the introduction so that it includes the weight, value, and the makers of the trophy, 'Mappin & Webb'. Then we can delete the 'Trophy' sub-section completely.
BTW - is The EFL Trophy a trophy, a cup, or an urn? WendlingCrusader (talk) 18:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trophy trivia repetition