Talk:Fiona Apple

message: One area which is not clear on this page is the order in which the early singles were released.
Criminal is listed as the third single released, but from the side bar on the Tidal page it looks like the fifth, so I think some of the dates are wrong.
Also Shadowboxer and 'Never is a promise' were released together, NIAP was side B. Paraphrased (talk) 16:15, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding the most recent edits

message: Joni Mitchell said "If Fiona Apple's songs were famous in the seventies, She would have a bigger success than she is now." 
^ I removed the above as it's unsourced and doesnt belong in the Tidal section even if true.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paraphrased (talk • contribs) 23:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New discussion

message: Removed: "It was also words that are rarely used in English, confusing many listeners. "
The wording of that doesn't really make any sense. Altered phrasing to reflect what was actually meant; that intellectual wording made the lyrics of the album difficult for listeners to decipher. EB
Confused; someone said they were removing the "similar artist" because it was not useful, which seems sort of contradictory. Of course it's useful: if someone is not familar with the work of Fiona Apple, but is with the other artists listed, then they have a point of reference for something similar. That's the entire purpose of a similar artist section. But it doesnt seem to have been removed anyhow? -EB-
:I removed it because that's just an unqualified opinion without something backing it up.  Anything objective is better than a list, even "Fiona Apple has stylistic similarities to female singer-songwriters from the late 1980s and early 1990s, such as Tracy Chapman and Tori Amos" at least notes that they are temporally and sexually similar.  A little more detail would be better still, even if it's just that their work is often piano-based (I don't know if any of that is true, as it's not really my scene, but it sounds right). Tuf-Kat
::Well, I have to disagree in a huge way. It sees like you're just coming from a POV of someone who is unfamiliar with the common practice of listing similar musical artists for quick-glance clarification. It *IS* an objective list. Their music is similar; no, it doesn't specify a reason, but it's music. It's comparing apples to apples. It would be different if I was saying "Fiona Apple's music is similar to the architecture of X." I'm not. I'm comparing music to music, so the similarity should be obvious: it is MUSICALLY similar. But it's not that important I suppose. -EB-
:::You're right, it's not that important because people gloss over and mostly ignore lists of similar artists.  The list can't be perceived as objective (and perception of veracity is much more important in a wiki than most other formats) because the list doesn't prove that there are any similarities -- how do I know, assuming I'd never heard of Apple or the others on the list, that you aren't some random whacko that also has a theory that Marilyn Manson and James Taylor are similar artists?  If it can be proved, it can be proved more effectively and more informatively in a prose format with a simple statement of why. Tuf-Kat
::::Funny, you didn't seem to feel the need to remove "sounds-like" references on the Tori Amos page, though it's disguised as "see also". *wink*Pacian 03:48, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ashley - it is safe to say that though Fiona Apple is often liked by fans of Tori Amos, the two are extremely dissimilar. Apple's success in the states was short lived but her first album was a huge smash and she became a household name here. She does folksy/instrumental pop and has a fondness for organs and percussion; however, her pianos are rarely forefronted in her music like Amos, who is a piano virtuoso. It's hard to say what kind of music she "does," as that could be dangerously POV, so it's best to call her a pop star. Her song "Criminal" was her biggest hit. Pacian 10:15, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Older discussions

message: I'm hesitant to include the following text, although I believe it to be essentially correct:
:Apple has been reported to have cemented a friendship with Philadelphia-based hip hop artist ?uestlove of The Roots, after years of mutual admiration, and to be seeking collaboration opportunities. Unconfirmed reports from the okayplayer.com forums had Apple stating that the album is "not cancelled" and may be released as a "dual disc", one of which would be Brion's and the other produced by Mike Elizondo, with ?uestlove drumming on the latter. Kehew's work, according to this chat, would be for an album of yet newer material. No formal announcement confirming these claims has been released.
I think it's interesting enough, and has enough disclaiming, but it's a touchy rumor-filled space and I don't want to muddy things. The main problem is that the okayplayer.com thread was expired and unavailable, although outside references to it exist. If there are no objections, though, I'll go ahead and add it. --Dhartung | Talk 06:00, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The above is mostly obsolete now, except for the bit about ?uestlove. It seems like there was some accuracy regarding the Elizondo production, but we still have that unconfirmed hint that Kehew is helping her with a fourth album. And there's no confirmation of ?uestlove working on the official EM as yet. Incidentally, I'm putting more detail over in the Extraordinary Machine article, rather than here. I trust other editors will follow my lead. --Dhartung | Talk 05:51, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ?uestlove 

message: Back in the late 90s Dave Navarro had a rather interesting obsession with Apple. I remember hearing news reports about how he left a message in blood on her dressing room mirror before one of her shows. I dug up the articles about this here:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1424972/12081997/apple_fiona.jhtml
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1424971/19971210/story.jhtml
This may be worth mentioning in her "Personal" section. Marilyn Mansion also took her on one date (it was to a movie premiere, but I believe she left before the movie start). This is according to his autobiography "The Long Hard Road Out of Hell" (for those interested its in his tour diary section). 
PAT or JK 22:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. We just recently deleted a rumor that it was Trent Reznor who sent the bloody letter. --Dhartung | Talk 23:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dave Navarro  

message: Did Fiona Apple ever have any run-ins with The Beatles' record label like Apple Computer did? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 22:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I've ever heard. Maybe she woudl have if she'd called herself just "Apple". (Nor, for that matter, have The Apples in Stereo or other bands with Apple in their names.) --Dhartung | Talk 07:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple Corps? 

message: I contributed by adding a new link to the musician's page.  Wikipedia puts enormous weight on relying on Discogs and MusicBrainz as resources but I find that the external link I was adding  is as much, if not more, a useful resource to provide the user.  I didn't know that this is considered 'spam' - if it is, I apologize but I think the links were reverted quickly without a second glance as to the merit of the resource.  By the way, there's an external link currently  which quality-wise is far more 'useless' and yet it remains there.Mimecuvalo (talk) 01:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking to a discography resource 

message: Is there a valid source confirming Apple's plans to retire and open an animal shelter? This is certainly news to me, I cannot find any articles mentioning this, and last I heard she was even working on a new album. Whataworld06 (talk) 14:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement 

message: I heard claims from a number of youtube commentors abut her being raped and sexually abused by her father, Maggart. Can anyone substantiate these claims? - To be honest, I can't be bothered myself, but it would be detremental to this page if they were true. Stakingsin (talk) 14:56, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abuse 

message: I just noticed that Fiona Apple made some contribution to the film Magnolia, as in the credits of the film it mentions:
"additional instruments and odd pieces of musical business by jon brion and fiona apple"
Perhaps a worthy addition to the "other contributions" section of the main article.  I'll add, but if anyone knows any detail of her "odd pieces of musical business", please contribute!
--Kevger (talk) 23:20, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film contribution 

message: The text below was removed from the lead as it is unreferenced and does not summarize the article per WP:LEAD. If sources can be found this text can be added to an appropirate section of the article.
*Her music is influenced by everything from early jazz, pop, to alt-rock.  It is also characterized by Apple's candid personal lyrics and imaginative productions, often featuring idiosyncratic arrangements with instruments as varied as the French horn and optigan.-- — Keithbob • Talk •  18:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Text Removed

message: This text:"After she joked to a friend at the age of 11 that she was going to kill her sister and herself, Apple's parents placed her in therapy."  Needs sources. It is potentially libelous and at present has only one source; a 1997 interview with Howard Stern. How is this interview verifiable? Are their other sources that validate it? This text may need to be removed per WP:BLP.-- — Keithbob • Talk •  17:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To protect WP and per WP:BLP I have removed the text and have placed it here on this page (see below) If verifiable sources are found we can add it back into the article.
*After she joked to a friend at the age of 11 that she was going to kill her sister and herself, Apple's parents placed her in therapy.refHoward Stern show interview on 14 April 1997ref-- — Keithbob • Talk •  15:37, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversial Text Needs Sources

message: Fiona is an Irish name and, in addition, a lot of the family names mentioned in Apples early life section are Irish, but there is no direct mention of her ethnic heritage in the section. Does anyone have any sources on her heritage? This is usually included in most Wikipedia articles about individual people.  70.166.85.174 (talk) 20:31, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish Heritage?

message: "Apple's vocal range is contralto."
Contralto starts out by saying that 'Contralto is meaningful only in reference to classical and operatic singing, as other genres lack a system of vocal categorization comparable to that generally accepted in the classical context.' So why have this statement, which is meaningless according to Contralto, in the article summary? 2.242.164.124 (talk) 21:55, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contralto? 

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Reference named "allmusic":
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:16, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Fiona Apple]] 

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message: Anyone able to find a source confirming relationship to Alexandra Berg? Yle7000 (talk) 00:26, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexandra Berg 

message: Much of the info in this article is cited as coming from a particular podcast interview with Marc Maron. 
It is listed in multiple various formats, but all leading to the same point of origination, thereby making a single interview appear as separate numerical citations. 
For the sake of verifiability, is there a copy of this podcast available that is NOT sequestered behind a paywall? 
Otherwise, it appears to me to be deliberately inserted as a subtle self-promoting tool for the podcast creator to increase paid subscribers via this page. 
Alternatively, are there other sources available that contain the same content?
The spirit of Wikipedia is in open-source information. Demanding payment to simply check veracity of references seems contrary to that aim. 
I hope this makes sense.
Thank you. Genetikbliss (talk) 03:09, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open sourced references 

message: I've noticed that the "personal life" section has disappeared in the past day or so from this page - is that up for discussion at all?
I too would like it if someone gets a good "personal life" section into this Wikipedia, but take into consideration work on this Wikipedia since then:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fiona_Apple&oldid=947509612
and "... incorporated its contents into a liner biography of Apple's life ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fiona_Apple&oldid=951463138 
Detailaware (talk) 18:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of "personal life" section? 

message: Should Fiona Apple's piano playing on Bob Dylan's Rough and Rowdy Ways (2020) be added by someone who knows how? 
2A00:23C5:B381:B401:7543:1646:8246:3CCC (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Dylan 

message: Fiona was all over the news when a heckler  told her to "Eat Something" and said "What Happened to You, You Used to be So Beautiful"   She left the stage at a concert because  of this and a viral video of the incident was all over the place at the time.   Have her paid publicists buried this story?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.75.156 (talk) 21:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: A few good links to wp:reliable sources might be a good place to start. Adakiko (talk) 00:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heckler Incident  

message: I saw nothing on here about her singing with the Watkins family hour (when I get low I get high) and I saw nothing on here about her singing with her sister Maude (middle of a riddle, paper moon). It just bothered me because those are some of my favorites!! Lol Any way they can be added on wikipedia if I didnt overlook them being on here?.... Missymotional14u (talk) 18:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other songs not mentioned?....