Talk:Suraj Mal

message: A lot of data related to the chronology of the life of Suraj Mal is missing or has been deleted, I hope the bots bring back or reconfigure once again the data that was removed from this article. 00:29, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
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message: I've raised a concern regarding using G. C. Dwivedi as a source - see this. - Sitush (talk) 14:19, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dwivedi as a source 

message: Besides, a lot of Indian Indian communities do not have tradition of written history but they have long tradition of oral history, in recent decades a lot of historians have taken pains to study those oral histories and verify as much possible using other published/-traditional-academic sources. Dr. Vir Singh, seems is not an arm chair writer, he is trained in scientific methods of inquiry (he is a PhD) and he has supervised/examined many PhDs himself. That establish his credentials.
Over-reliance on MAJORITARIAN Macaulian or marxist type of sources is also not a BALANCED approach. All path-breaking or new research is initially NOT MAINSTREAM or cited as widely in the BEGINNING, it takes time for them to gain prominence, so we go by wiki guidelines that PUBLISHED work is GENERALLY acceptable, specially if it is from people who have been trained in scientific methods of inquiry and from the RESEARCH CENTERS that are specifically focused on researching a specific area. Dr. Vir Singh and his center, pass this criteria.
This should not be used as a sole criteria to judge the prominence (how frequently they are cited in WESTERN sources or what rating do they carry in western sources alone).  
Also, he is not an ordinary director of Maharaja Surajmal to run/manage the Jat educ society. He is the Director of Maharaja Surajmal RESEARCH AND PUBLICATION division, which means his and his department's focus is RESEARCH and then PUBLISH it, to bring it to prominence. 
Dwivedi, but is not a JAT gotra, Dwivedi is Brahman caste. So not correct to assume he is JAT. Dr. Dwivedi is a PhD and was head of the History dept of Kashi university (one of the early university in India, founde din 1921), that is credible enough, for both Dr Vir Singh and Dr Dwivedi are BETTER TRAINED (than some of the sources that are already there in the Jat articles on wikipedia) in scientific methods of inquiry and have headed CENTERS FOR RESEARCH IN TO HISTORY on the topics (Jat) they wrote their books and journal articles. 
And, not right to discount a source merely because they are Jat. To give some perspective, most of the stuff we know about British Raj and Mughals are written by their employees and paid-writers, by that standard we then need to SCRAP bulk of the articles on those topics on wiki? WE GO BY WHAT WE HAVE and then work from there. We factor in RESEARCH and PUBLISHED work by Dr. VIr SINGH and Dwivedi, others can uncover more sources to either confirm or refute.
... btw, I found these details about Dr. Vir Singh. may be you can contact him, not sure how current these contact details are.
====Dr. Vir Singh, PhD====
Native Village : Village & PO Sarangpur, Dist. Bulandshahr (UP)
Permanent Address : E-177 PandavNagar, Delhi-110091
Official Address : Director, Maharaja Surajmal Centre for Research & Publication, C-4, Janak Puri,New Delhi-110058
Contact Number : 22753070 (R), 25528116,25528117(0)
Qualification & Experience : M.A. (Agra University), Ph.D. (Meerut University)
In his 40 years of teaching experience he has been examiner of B.A., B.A. (Hons), M.A. and Ph.D. in different Universities.
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====Dr. Girish Chandra Dwivedi, PhD, Head of History Dept====
Late Professor Girish Chandra Dwivedi born on 24th December 1938, did his Post Graduation from Department of Medieval Modern History, University of Allahabad. He completed his Ph.D. under the supervision of Late Prof. Ishwari Prasad, from Agra University. He was appointed as Lecturer in Kashi Vidyapeeth, Varansi, in 1962.
Professor Dwivedi died on 27th May 1979 as Professor and Head of Department of History and Dean of Students Welfare Mahatma Gandhi Kashi Vidyapith. Dr. Dwivedi’s research articles have been published in several Journals.Of special interest is his research paper published in Journal of Indian History, 1970, p.377 ff.
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Cheers!
Dr. V. Dhillon, PhD (Uni. South Australia)
Vdhillon (talk) 09:14, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: =Dr. Vir Singh, PhD

message: Late Professor Girish Chandra Dwivedi born on 24th December 1938, did his Post Graduation from Department of Medieval Modern History, University of Allahabad. He completed his Ph.D. under the supervision of Late Prof. Ishwari Prasad, from Agra University. He was appointed as Lecturer in Kashi Vidyapeeth, Varansi, in 1962.
Professor Dwivedi died on 27th May 1979 as Professor and Head of Department of History and Dean of Students Welfare Mahatma Gandhi Kashi Vidyapith. Dr. Dwivedi’s research articles have been published in several Journals.Of special interest is his research paper published in Journal of Indian History, 1970, p.377 ff.
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Cheers!
Dr. V. Dhillon, PhD (Uni. South Australia)
Vdhillon (talk) 09:14, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr. Girish Chandra Dwivedi, PhD, Head of History Dept

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replies: text: And still I find myself reverting people who attempt to reinstate copyvios of unreliable sources etc. - Sitush (talk) 17:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: I have checked multiple scholarly sources and all of them state more or less same thing regarding the extent of Jat kingdom under Suraj Mal. Here are some of them:
*Chaudhary (1977):
*Datta (1967)
*Hooja (2006):
*Wadley (2004):
*Entwistle (1987):
*Sarkar (1976):
At present, Farrukhnagar is a sub-district of Gurgaon district: . So the mention of Gurgaon district will take care of it. But the main difference between the sources is regarding Bulandshahr district. As the better sources aren't mentioning it, I am not adding it to the article for now. - NitinMlk (talk) 23:45, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Areas under the rule of Suraj Mal 

message: Edit request: please remove this paragraph which has no basis
"Under him, the Jat rule covered the present-day districts of Agra, Aligarh, Bharatpur, Dholpur, Etawa, Gurgaon, Hathras, Mainpuri, Mathura, Mewat, Meerut, Rewari, and Rohtak.[2]" Sps999 (talk) 16:06, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surajmal only ruled bharatpur, why other regions are added without  any information 

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