Talk:Dental degree

message: I've attempted to add a little bit to the article. I hope it helps improve it, although someone else might want to look over what I wrote for factual accuracy. I don't have any references, but I'll look for some :)--72.141.60.5 23:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The edit is much appreciated. Hopefully we can find some references to help improve the article.  Keep up the work! - Dozenist talk 23:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempt

message: I would like some references on:
1) dmd programs providing training with general medical students as a requirement for the degree
2) dds programs summer time, "clerkships," equating a six year degree
3) "DDS graduates could confidently practice oral and maxillofacial surgery at a specialty level until 1997"  reference?
4) "1997 when the American Dental Association House of Delegates revised the definitions of specialties; at this time the two degrees were deemed equal."  reference?
5) "Until 1992 the United States government Medicaid and Medicare systems recognized the significant difference and denied DMD graduates from participating as providers due to their lack of surgical training."
To clear this the ADA has clarified that there is no distinction between the two. 
"According to the American Dental Association (ADA): "There is no difference between the two degrees; dentists who have a D.M.D. or D.D.S. have the same education. Universities have the prerogative to determine what degree is awarded. Both degrees use the same curriculum requirements set by the American Dental Association's Commission on Dental Accreditation. Generally, three or more years of undergraduate education plus four years of dental school is required to graduate and become a general dentist. State licensing boards accept either degree as equivalent, and both degrees allow licensed individuals to practice the same scope of general dentistry. Additional post-graduate training is required to become a dental specialist, such as an orthodontist, periodontist or oral and maxillofacial surgeon.""
-http://www.atsu.edu/asdoh/programs/dental_medicine/index.htm
This article as it stands is seriously flawed and misinformed.  I doubt the above-requested references will be forthcoming because:
1) dmd programs did not hold class time with medical students as a requisite for the degree, ever.
2) summer clerkships don't make a six year degree. 
3) dds graduates (as well as dmd graduates for that matter) have required a separate dental residency to practice Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery for decades.
4) the degrees have always been "equal"--there never was a 1997 revision of the definition os specialities concerning dds and dmd degrees.
not true:  http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/specialties/definitions.asp   (As adopted by the 1997 ADA House of Delegates)
5) medicaid and medicare have never made a distinction between dds and dmd.  Sorry.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.112.109.253 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 10 May 2006.
: The disputed information can be confirmed by contacting the United States Department of Health and Human Services. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.208.85.219 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 21 May 2006.
I am a dentist and graduated from the University of Connecticut School of Dental Medicine. Students of that program graduate with DMD degree. It is true that our first two years of basic medical science courses were taken with the medical students. That is not the case for DDS programs, which have separate classes for dental students. 
I deleted the rest of the original article because it is blatantly false. I showed it to a collegue of mine who graduated from a DDS program and he agreed that the rest of it was incorrect. There is no point in asking for references.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.90.196.25 (talk • contribs).
:I am currently in a dds program, and the program has 1 class where pharmacy and dental students share classtime.  Also, the program used to have dental and medical students share classes. I really doubt that the differences between the two program are based on med/dental class time, and references will always be needed. Even if what I think is right, the article will be much improved with references. - Dozenist talk 23:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work on cleaning up the article.  It reads and looks much better.  I would not be surprised if Canada also has DDS degrees, and thus it may be a good idea to include any information we get on that or any other DDS degrees. Oh, and I readded the other language versions of the article and academic degree templates to this article and the DMD article.  They were previously there but may have gotten lost in the new edits. - Dozenist talk 13:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needed references

message: Article isn't bad, but neither this one nor its counterpart on the DMD (which is duplicative) explains the distinction (if any) between the DDS and DMD degrees.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.73.102 (talk) 08:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DDS v DMD and their possible combination 

message: I can't find any WP:V ref which states that BDS and DDS are equivalent, although they in practice seem to be handled that way.  ADA, etc. no help.  BDS really seems to be a bachelor's course (undergraduate), usually a 5-6 year program that someone completes following high school.  How then is it even considered as equivalent?  --InsufficientData (talk) 14:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First professional degree talks about this in some detail.  Perhaps parts of this could be incorporated here? --InsufficientData (talk) 14:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  BDS as a DDS Equivalent? 

message: Editor Jwri7474 has repeatedly added CD as an abbreviation for Doctor of Dentistry, stating that this is "common knowledge."  The editor at one point also deleted DD as an abbreviation for Doctor of Dentistry.  The editor has now provided a link to a Spanish-language web page for a Licenciatura de Cirujano Dentista degree.  That web page does not at any point use the abbreviation "CD."  It is not a verifiable source for the use of that abbreviation. 
With minimal Spanish, one can see that "Cirujano Dentista" is Spanish for Dental Surgeon.  The Licenciatura degree is Bachelors-level, not Doctoral.  (See academic degrees.)  So CD, even if it were widely used, would not be an abbreviation for Doctor of Dentistry.  It's more like an abbreviation for Bachelors in Dental Surgery.
But it's unclear whether CD or even Cirujano Dentista is widely used.  The editor still has not provided a verifiable source for CD.  Incidentally, in the Spanish-language Wikipedia, there is no "Cirujano Dentista" article. 
A larger question is whether an article in an English-language encyclopedia ought to start with a list of translations for "dentist" in other languages.  No doubt there are different abbreviations for "dentist" in Arabic and Chinese, too.  Should those be at the beginning of the article as well?  It just seems odd to start an English-language encyclopedia article with Spanish translations.
I have two suggestions, for the editor or anyone else would like to pursue this.
1) Write an article for Cirujano Dentista in the Spanish-language Wikipedia and link to it.
2) Expand the English-language article on "dental degree" to actually cover dental degrees in non-English speaking countries.  Currently there is no section on Mexico--it would be okay to add one.  Until there is a section on Mexico, the introduction to the article should not list translations for Mexican degrees.  See WP:LEAD for more information on introductions--"The lead should define the topic and summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight" and "Significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article."
And, again, the CD abbreviation needs a verifiable source.
Gracias. Logical Cowboy (talk) 13:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Jwri7474, no need to get personal.  Please have another look at WP:V.  Prof Bimstein's website is self-published; it's not too strong as a reliable source.  There is still the problem of WP:LEAD.  Please read that again.  "The lead should define the topic and summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight" and "Significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article."  The article does not list degrees from "most of the world."  It lists degrees from several English-speaking countries.  If you want to add a section on Mexican dental degrees, go ahead.  But until then, Mexican dental degrees should not appear in the article summary.  Muchas gracias.  Logical Cowboy (talk) 14:54, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Jwri7474, again, it's a shame that you are getting personal about this.  I am referring to policies, WP:V and WP:LEAD, and you are talking about discrimination and agenda pushing.  Let's stick to the policies, and not question people's motives.  Anyway, this has been referred to WP:3 Logical Cowboy (talk) 15:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cirujano Dentista 

message: Added Finland and corrected a few typos.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.101.2.225 (talk) 19:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finland 

message: Not sure what the protocol for this is, so I'll leave it up to you (yes, you!). 174.99.111.243 (talk) 03:00, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link 2 leads to empty page.  

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message: The whole introduction to this article is "There are a number of professional degrees in dentistry offered by dental schools in various countries around the world.". Comparing it with that of Medical degree - "A medical degree is a professional degree admitted to those who have passed coursework in the fields of medicine and/or surgery from an accredited medical school. Obtaining a degree in medicine allows for the recipient to continue on into specialty training with the end goal of securing a license to practice within their respective jurisdiction. Medical graduates may also pursue non-clinical careers including those in basic research and positions within the healthcare industry. A worldwide study conducted in 2011 indicated on average: 64 university exams, 130 series exams, and 174 assignments are completed over the course of 5.5 years. As a baseline, students need greater than an 85% in prerequisite courses to enroll for the aptitude test in these degree programs." - I wonder whether it should be expanded. Mcljlm (talk) 00:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction