Talk:Chroneme

message: What does "long", "half-long", "short" and "extra short" mean? Specifically, what does it mean with respect to length of time? For example, is a half-long vowel really half as long as a long vowel? How much shorter than a long vowel is a short vowel? Half as short? One third as short? Those things are not explicitly explained in the article, but they should be, because they're not obvious. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 05:54, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's language-specific. At least, I've heard vowels described as short or long which sound long or short to my ear as a speaker of Australian English (which has a phonemic length contrast). I think the diff. b/n long and short is usually roughly 2×, but I'm not certain so I'm reluctant to add anything.  — Felix the Cassowary 23:50, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  For Australian English, it seems that males have means of about 150 and 242 ms, and females have means of 172 and 281 ms for short and long vowels respectively: short vowels around 60 per cent of the length of long ones. This may be specific to AuE again, so I'm reluctant to add anything. From Cox (in press): The acoustic characterics of /hVd/ vowels in the speech of some Australian teenagers, Au. Journal of Linguistisc. — Felix the Cassowary 06:21, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Hmm.  As an american speaker, those sound the same to me.  But I wouldn't rule out a difference in some dialects, though I'd sooner assume it would be in the first vowel of 'ladder,' not the medial consonant.  What about this one: 'watt' vs. 'what' in RP (British) English?  Assuming the speaker does not aspirate the W in 'what,' these two words have the same vowel quality in RP, don't they?  But certainly a difference in length.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.37.59 (talk) 02:45, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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message: Can you be more specific what "Greek" -eme is? −Woodstone 17:25, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
For God's sake, it means nothing at all. -ema is way too functional to mean something. It's just a suffixed root (again, not a suffix but a suffixed root, which is different) with the ending -ma, which usually shows that the Greek noun is neutral/neuter in  grammatical gender. That's my take at least. Ask someone else to see what they think. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 18:17, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Where on earth did this term come from? I have a Ph.D. in Linguistics and specialize in phonology, but today is the first time I've encountered this term.
Google gives almost a thousand hits, take your pick. −Woodstone 22:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin of word 

message: Danish also distinguishes words by vowel length; here are some minimal pairs--
*værre  'worse' vs. være  'to be'
*bande  'to swear, use profanity' vs. bane  'path'
*fyrre  'forty' vs. føre  'to lead'
*læsse   'to load' vs. læse  'to read'
(This length-distinction occurs only in words of more than one syllable; however, the commonplace examples should convince you that Danes don't consider it trivial.)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by ISNorden (talk • contribs) 10:13, 25 July 2006 AEST.
: Are you asking us something, or telling us? —Felix the Cassowary 13:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both:  telling about an example the article doesn't mention, and asking whether those additions are appropriate as written.  --Ingeborg S. Nordén 15:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me there are adequate examples on this page (your Danish examples might be more appropriate on Vowel length, but that also has a lot of examples). Also, the Chroneme is not the only way to describe vowel or consonant length. For instance, long vowels might be seen as two consecutive short vowels of identical quality. So I'd be reluctant to add examples to this page unless that languages has already been described as having the chroneme (rather than simply vowel length) in established literature. —Felix the Cassowary 12:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Danish? 

message: The IPA in the second table is wrong. I think that the correct transcriptions for the second column are /ˈviːle/ and /ˈvile/. If someone else can confirm this please change it. hac (talk) 01:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect IPA

message: The article rightly points out that 'chroneme' has limited currency. I feel that, since this concept appears not to have been seriously put forward as a phonological entity since the days of Jones and Pike, it should be described also as obsolete. Does anyone disagree?  RoachPeter (talk) 10:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not so much obsolescent as stillborn. Jones coined it (c.1940) but it never caught on. You'd be hard-pressed to find any reference to the word which doesn't trace back to this wikipedia article - I could only find two, both of which mentioned it in the context of being a term proposed by Jones. Samatarou (talk) 04:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obsolescence