Talk:Seiðr/Archive 1

message: I've proposed merging this article along with ergi and (linked but not existing) nith into a new one entitled Nithing. For my reasons see Talk:Ergi. -TlatoSMD 14:56, 11 Mai 2006 (CEST)
:Bad idea, Nithing is not Seid. Kim van der Linde at venus 02:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Emphatically agree with Kim.  Nithing is not Seid. Seid is a fairly major category of magical/shamanistic practice which can be used in a multiplicity of ways and which is indicated in many of the sagas. Some practitioners were subject to charges of 'ergi' or 'nið' but they were not alone in this - the categories are far from synonomous Seidkona 12:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See extensive discussion on this here: Talk:Ergi#Merges, and it seems that the person who proposed it can not provide good arguments why Seid is a subconcept of Nithing. Kim van der Linde at venus 12:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging into ''Nithing''

message: And there are also "seid stones" sv:Höna på ägg (I wrote the page, at bottom there are links to external pages with english texts about the stones).
These stones are most likeley of sami origin, not Norse.
The oldest stones we (a small and loose group of Swedish amatures) have found is as far as we can see about 4 000 years old (megalith age), the youngest less than a thousand and maybe even younger.
This is of course something for this article but does anyone know anything about the connection between the seid tradition and the seid stones?
The stones is as far as I can undesrstand used in some "mystic" way as a part of the tradition.
You can sometimes find lines/groups of blocks pointing towards the solstices.
In rare cases the blocks has got cup marks (is there any page for those in en?? look at sv:Skålgrop, yep, I wrote that one too =) or rock art. (the pictured one at the sv-page has got about 20 cup marks on top of the stone)
// Solkoll 14:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seid stones? 

message: I have been a practicing Seiðmothr and Galdrar for 10 years and have researched the practices in depth both through academic libraries available at university and the oral relations I was able to access personally through 'networking' with other Seið-Workers internationally.
I have noted a couple small errors in description:
From the section Overview
" Seið involved the incantation of spells, which could amongst other things be termed galdrar or galðrar (sing. galdr or galðr, compare Old English: gealdor or galdor). "
Seið was (and is) primarily (many would say entirely) a rite of trance-induction wherein the state of trance was used for magickal ends. Usually, Soul-Travel & divination ( as in Spae, or "Oracular Seið" ) and only occasionally as a form of spellworking utilizing the galdr as a magickal device.
In the common, and many would say, the only accurate form of Seið-Rite, galdr would be used; like a mantra, as a tool & method which through repetition and oxygen depletion would result in a trance-like state which would be informed by the content of the galdr. 
(For Example, a Seið Rite for divination would use the repetition of the rune sound of the Pethro rune, the rune of divination.)
Spellworking, or effecting outside circumstances would be within the auspice of Galdr-Work. The only exception to this would be if one were intending to and able to affect the outside world with their soul-body effecting an environment far away. This is a rare and undocumented form of Seidhr however, and is more of a modern phenomenon based on the addition of tangential pagan concepts to the robust system of Seið-Work.
I beleive that anyone wishing to learn of Seið in its original context would benefit greatly from reading The Voluspo
[ THE POETIC EDDA: VOLUME I: LAYS OF THE GODS: "The Wise-Woman's Prophecy" as contained on www.sacredtexts.com and accessed 18Jun07/1105 ]
Many sources make the essence of Seið confusing because of this self-same lack of very clear delineations between the magickal systems of the ancient Norse.
This is a skilled article but it does not give a CLEAR sense of teleological separateness between the practices, and it would help a great many persons studying the area to have this thorn pulled out.
(Feel free to contact me with further questions.)
Αγαθος και Σωφος,  Σωφος και Καλος, Καλος  και  Αγαθος 18:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seið & Galdr: Relativity 

message: Is what I said about Odin gaining knowledge of Seid from Freyja incorrect? If so I will need to examine my sources for any other errors.Yggur (talk) 10:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Prose Edda says that Freyja has half the slain. Ynglinga saga says that Freyja taught seiðr to the Æsir. That much is correct. But I don't think any logical connection is made between those two facts in the medieval sources. Haukur (talk) 11:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odin and Seid