Talk:Moshe Dayan

message: I doubt he is without controversy considering he is considered by some historians as a possible war criminal for his killing of civilians in Lydda in 1948.  I thought democracies didn't have to cover the truth...huh?  He seems to be quite the little fascist.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.78.183.102 (talk) 12:26, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: No controversy section?

message: That quote of Dayan about "80% of the Clashes", Published 21 years AFTER the fact, and Comspicuously 1 year after Dayan's Death, by Rami Tal, is Certainly Suspect and probably Should NOT be here.
It does not meet the standard for verifiable.
I see we're back to editing-by-arafat, as Wiki moves ever more arabist. EVERY entry re Israel becomes more anti, and every entry re Islam becomes more Rosy and Bleached.
abu afak (including the entry for my handle, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc))   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.66.225.227 (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote

message: in the phrase "what is this Vatican?"... I don't know which meaning to link it to.  Can anyone who understands the context please update the link?  Thanks ~ Veledan | Talk | c. 23:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trying to disambiguate ''Vatican'' 

message: How is his name pronounced in English? "Mosh", "Mosh-ee", "Mow-she"? "Mow-see"? I have always mentally read it as "Moshy", but given that it's related to Moses I'm confused. Also, is it "Diane" or "Day-anne"?
:In English it is most commonly pronounced "Mo Shuh Dy Anne"
It’s pronounced Mo (rhymes with “go”) sheh (rhymes with first syllable of “level”) Da (rhymes with “spa”) yan (rhymes with “flan”).
:"Moshe" is usually /'mɒʃə/ in English, but Americans seem to say /'moʊʃeɪ/ with diphthongs. — Chameleon 03:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mow-shay 

message: I heard several people use a quote that they contribute to Moshe Dayan. "Defeat your enemies but do not humiliate them". Is there anybody that could confirm or deny this?
:Noam Chomsky quoting Nur Masalha claiming that Moshe Dayan said such-and-such is not a reliable source to attribute a quote to someone. Does anyone have any verifiable source for the "dogs" quote? Otherwise, it should be removed AWN2 02:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote attributed to Moshe Dayan 

message: Forgive me if this sounds a bit far-fetched, but were Moshe Dayan's parents Armenian Jews?  I was just wonder because of the "-yan" suffix at the end of his name and the fact that he came from the Soviet Union. -- Clevelander 14:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Dayan" means "judge" in Hebrew. So there's no reason to draw that inference from his last name. And he did not come from the Soviet Union, because a) he was born in Deganya, and b) the Soviet Union didn't even exist when he was born. His parents came from Czarist Russia. --Leifern 14:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, I meant to say that his parents came from the Soviet Union (in any case I was mistaken about that assertion too, seeing as how he was born in 1915, his parents most definitely came from Tsarist Russia).  Thanks for clearing that up.  I have no knowledge of Hebrew, but I'm interested in learning about the language.  When I saw the "-yan" suffix on "Dayan," I thought that it could have been a shortened form of an Armenian surname. -- Clevelander 19:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moshe Dayan - an Armenian Jew?

message: After a lot of fiddling, I have managed to reformat the opening line so that it displays properly. Previously, the use of double square brackets round the date of birth, immediately following the double brackets round Dayan's name in Hebrew, caused the line to break incorrect, like this: Moshe Dayan, DSO (Hebrew: משה דיין), (May 20 1915). After much experimenting, I realised that it would only display correctly if there was at least one English character (not a space or punctuation) between the two sets of brackets. So I have plaed a letter in white font: a between the two. This works, but it is clumsy. Does anyone have a better solution? RolandR 11:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting 

message: He is in the categories :Category:Colorectal cancer deaths and :Category:Deaths by myocardial infarction. The article indicates the latter, but it's unreferenced. William Avery 19:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of Death 

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message: There was no entity called Palestine until the British Mandate period.
Yes there was, it was known as Palestine before the Roman conquest.Keith-264 (talk) 14:20, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  There was no subdivision of the Ottoman Empire called 'Palestine' 

message: Does anyone have a source for the award of the DSO?  I've searched the London Gazette where awards are normally announced, with no luck, but the search engine isn't perfect.  I've also tried the army recommendations for awards which are held by The National Archives and nothing's coming up there either.  It's possible that as he wasn't strictly a Commonwealth citizen the award didn't go through the normal channels, or perhaps a different tranlisteration of his name was used at the time.  David Underdown (talk) 09:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or perhaps he did not receive DSO and it's a myth travelling from wiki to wiki without ever being sourced?  Certainly looks like it since no authoritative source has been located for years. No mention of this in hewiki. Laboramus (talk) 16:51, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  DSO 

message: This page states that:
"When they were not relieved as expected, at 04:00 on 8 June, the unit perceived that it was exposed to possible attack and — on its own initiative — assaulted a nearby Vichy police station, capturing it in a firefight. A few hours later, as Dayan was using binoculars they were struck by a French bullet"
Can anyone elaborate on this account as the report from Lt W.G. Allan, leader of this Iskandaroun party, (found in the (Aust) 2/14 Bn War Diary, Appendix No. 83 (p142/169)) doesn't give much infm on his guides actions (other than Dayan's wounding) on this special mission nor do any other of the compay officer's reports from that morning. 
I am seeking to clear up the sequence of events leading up to the cratering of the coast Road between Iskandaroun and Namoura as it had an effect on the allied advance into the Lebanon. If this man is famous, are the activities of the Palmach/Arab guides during the Syrian/Lebanon Campaign included in his biography or any other sources? Any help would be apprecaited.
(Link to war diary: http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/war_diaries/second_world_war/diary.asp?levelID=1053)
Chief Rudiger (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syrian/Lebanon 1941 

message: A very authoritative article on Dayan's illegal plundering of archaeological sites can be found here. It is from an academic journal (Journal of Hebrew Scriptures).  I invite someone to mine it for this article.  Zerotalk 23:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plundering of archaeological sites 

message: I object to the use of the word "womanizer".  As if women were objects to be used by men.  As if whatever relationships Dyan may have had did not involve another woman i.e. a sentient, consenting adult.   If Dyan was a "womanizer", what were the individual women ?  If he was not faithful in his marriage, I think that's relevant.  How many different relationships he may have had, and with which gender is a topic more suited to the tabloid press.
The use of the word is sexist.  What word exists to describe the female equivalent of a "womanizer" ?  "Manizer" ?  Whore ?  Was Moshe Dyan a "Man-Whore" ?  If so, please state this clearly, instead of mincing around your seamy, tedious and sexually perverse word "womanizer".
Unless the article has something interesting to say about the people Dyan was involved with, I don't think it's worth mentioning.  Otherwise wiki is simply saying Dyan fucked a lot of women, and frankly I don't need to know that (assuming it's true), and I have to wonder why some sick twisted freak wants to tell me.  Besides, how many women does someone have to nail before they qualify as a "womanizer"  50 ?  Is it weighted against the number of years ?  Can one person be a "womanizer" if they nail 20 women in one year, while if someone else takes 20 years to do the same number of women, they just don't make the grade ?  Are the a "Failed Womanizer" ?  Womanizer, Second Class ?
Are women objects, that can be "nailed" and an "X" sewn into a man's underwear like a jet pilot records the planes he's shot down ?  Is a "womanizer" the sexual equivalent of and "ace" ?
And what qualifies as "womanizing".  Dancing ?  Kissing ?  Third base ?  Or do you have to go "all the way" ?  What if the man has erectile dysfunction ?  Does a failure to complete the act still make it onto his "womanization record" ?  Maybe Medical Technology will someday come up with a prosthetic to assist men with this difficulty.  A large, electric-powered machine called "The Womanizer:  Guaranteed to Knock 'em Down and Rack 'em Up !"  by Ronco, "As Seen on TV".  Mabye George Foreman will be the pitchmen on the infomercial.
Maybe someday grubby strip malls in suburbia will offer "womanization" treatements, and experts in the field will be called "womanizationilists".  Does Harvard offer a post-graduate course in "Womanization Studies" ?
99.137.251.249 (talk) 06:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Holy piss. It's not even like you put any effort into that and yet it went on for like 5 paragraphs. Tighten it up next time. 198.7.245.75 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 04:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha man, <insert angry feminist joke here> 72.199.100.223 (talk) 22:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: More to the point, I read the reference cited, and it's weak. I'm just going to yank the sentence. Discuss here if someone wants to add it back, preferably better cited, and with some context. --StaniStani  08:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Womanizer ? 

message: Hi, I feel like this will likely get rejected but... I think its important to show Moshe Dayan's understanding of the pre-1948 Arab population in Israel. He was a large advocate of ethnic population transfer of Palestinians and keeping Israel a purely Jewish state. I know its a touchy subject but its important to have a balanced article in an encyclopedia - taking in all allegations and aspects of their personalities, even when its distasteful. Here are some quotes we might want to include to show this other side of him:
He was reported in the Haartz as saying: "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either...There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab Population."
(from Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969)
At the funeral of an Israeli farmer killed by a Palestinian in April 1956:
"Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived...We should demand his blood not from the Arabs of Gaza but from ourselves...Let us make our reckoning today. We are a generation of settlers, and without the steel helmet and gun barrel, we shall not be able to plant a tree or build a house." (from Avi Shlaim, The Iron Wall, p. 101)
In reference to right the fellahin war after 1948.... "We shoot at those from among the 200,000 hungry Arabs who cross the line [to graze their flocks]...Arabs cross to collect the grain that they left in the abandoned villages and we set mines for them and they go back without an arm or a leg…[It may be that this] cannot pass review, but I know no other method of guarding the borders." (from Righteous Victims, p. 275) Achamy (talk) 22:04, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: POV, Views on Arabs/Population transfers

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message: There is no mention of, or link to, this Matt Adore (talk) 07:21, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Why there should be any? This is not a detailed article about the 1948 war.--יניב הורון (talk) 07:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al-Dawayima massacre 

message: I suggest it would also be worth adding something about Dayan's involvement in secret talks in Paris prior to the Suez conflict.  He wrote about it in his autobiography,  some of this was published in the Observer some years ago. PatGallacher (talk) 00:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Suez plans

message: Why does the second article say but mostly as when there’s nothing in the first part of the sentence that completes the clause 2603:7080:5006:9D00:C84:2FC:4F69:57DB (talk) 23:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The second sentence of this article makes no sense