Talk:Hat-trick

message: (Cricket): "Taking two wickets in two consecutive deliveries is known as a brace." - not where I come from.  Instead I would call it "being on a hat-trick". --Henrygb 23:21, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say the bowler who had taken two consecutive wickets was 'on a hat-trick' until he has bowled the third delivery. If you bowl the hat-trick ball and fail to take a wicket you don't remain 'on a hat-trick', but you do go away with a 'brace'. --Ngb 10:45, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I take the point.  But looking back, I would say for 3-in-a-row: "He bowled a hat-trick", for 2-in-a-row: "He was on a hat-trick". I don't recall ever having heard "brace" in that sense in cricket: compare the uses  and .  Brace seems to mean either two of anything or a support. --Henrygb 17:12, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you about brace, and I'm not sure about "double hat-trick" either; I have seen it used to mean 4 in 4, but for the most part if I heard someone say that I'd think either they meant six wickets in six balls (which does occasionally happen in minor cricket) or, slightly more likely, a hat-trick in each innings of a match. Loganberry (Talk) 02:00, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's mainly an antipodean term, I guess not in common usage as it's not a common feat.-- Paul 06:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: If you've been listening to Test Match Special during the current Ashes series, you will have heard Jonathon Agnew saying it several times at appropriate moments. So it's certainly used, although I agree it's more occasional than regular. -dmmaus 00:59, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't actually remember hearing Aggers say it, but I don't doubt your word. Mind you, he does use all kinds of odd expressions... =;) Loganberry (Talk) 04:25, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Brace'

message: Most other sites (and people) have said that a natural hat trick is only when someone scores 3 consecutive goals, not three in one period.  Can someone find something to back up the 3 goals in a period claim.
:I agree. I'm tempted to remove this condition for a natural hat trick. Hansj102 17:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're confusing the NHL record with the team specific Edmonton Oilers record. Hansj102 17:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Natural Hat Trick In Hockey

message: This cannot be a serious piece of etymology - can it be deleted?
:See the reference at the end. Tintin (talk) 05:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here was I, thinking all this time that the reference was to a performing magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Of course, my supposition has no reference in the OED...96.238.210.213 (talk) 21:51, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: I added some trivia to the sports hat-trick football section but it was removed citing requirement for stats for each country. Whilst this is potentially a possibility surely some form of noteable hat-trick trvia would be worthwhile? A hat-trick of hat-tricks (which I noted only England because cannot vouch for other leagues) is surely worthy of addition to the hat-trick section?
If the number of pieces of trivia were large enough then couldn't a hat-trick trvia by country section be added much like the 'world cup hat-tricks' section?ny156uk 18:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was me that removed it. We already have fastest hat-trick, and only hat-trick in a World Cup final. I wouldn't object to some more things of that sort, I just didn't want to get into having country-specific stats like fastest in the English Premier League, because otherwise we'd have to do it for all the major countries. Three hat-tricks in three games is interesting, but I would be surprised if it was unique, world-wide. Stephen Turner (Talk) 18:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It may be suitable for Football records in England Tintin (talk) 18:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: In a local match that I umpired recently the same batsman was dismissed twice in the same hat-trick! (Last man out in the first innings as second consecutive wicket, dismissed in second innings by the same bowler's first ball.)  Has this happened in first-class cricket? MulgaBill 09:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cricket hat-trick - same batsman dismissed twice

message: I've heard the more accurate term QUINTELLA, used, so If there are no objections, I will replace the utlimate/super hat tricks etc. in the part with QUINTELLA withing two days.  The Evil Clown 18:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ultimate Hat trick (lemieux) 

message: Could we get images of three successive balls in which a hat-trick occured ?
or atleast images of some bowlers who got max hat-tricks.Wildpixs 13:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: So does this alleged term see any actual use, or did someone just blog it, create an article, and insert it here?  Citation of a reliable source, please.  Alai 00:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Quatrick"? 

message: "In the Victorian era, the term "hat trick" referred to a common trick by magicians, where the magician used a top hat. At first, they would appear before the audience wearing the hat, which they would remove from the head and put upside down on a nearby table (on stage). Later in the show, the magician would take out 3 rabbits, one after another, from the hat
[...]
The term is now very commonly used in cricket, and was connected with the custom of giving a hat or cap to a bowler who achieved the feat of taking three wickets in a row. It may be connected with the concept of giving someone their "cap", i.e. acknowledging them as a regular member of a representative team. Another school of thought mentions that a bowler was challenged if he could take three in three. Hats were passed around to collect the odds. The bowler succeeded and collected the large amount of cash. Thus the term hat-trick could have been also derived from this event."
The etymology section authoritatively states two different etymologies for the term, and presents a third in weasel words. Does anyone have any sources for the assertations?86.0.203.120 16:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Self-contradiction

message: hattrick es una jeugo online en el k kompites contra gente de todo el mundo ene spaña actualmente hay ams de 900000 usuarios activos jugando a dicho juego  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.125.43.122 (talk) 18:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  juego online 

message: In reference 2 the above long standing vandalism needs removal (it should be "twenty-two of Hallam") but I don't know how to do it. treesmill (talk) 11:10, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twenty-TWO THOUSAND of Hallam 

message: I believe the Hockey version of the hat-trick is most notable and notable enough to sustain a stand-alone article. I couldn't find one so I assume there isn't one. If there is I apologize. However, if there's not, there needs to be one. If there's an article for the feat of Hitting for the cycle there there should be one for the Hat-trick. CRRaysHead90 | We Believe! 00:33, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. The problem is that the hockey section is woefully overdone with heads and subheads and repetition. It desperately needs editing to become encyclopedic like the cricket section (which is actually larger than the hockey one). As well, there is the possibility that if this was hived off to ifs own article, it would very quickly be tagged for a merge back to this article. Moriori (talk) 01:46, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split hockey section in to new article 

message: I've played, coached, watched, read about, and just generally followed the sport for 50 years and have never heard the word Hat Trick uttered in reference to Baseball. I suppose in a joking manner if someone hit 3 home runs somebody may have said something like "I guess that's like a Hat Trick." But no, a Hat Trick in the US is strictly a hockey term (that's Ice Hockey for those who have another kind). Obviously someone unfamiliar with Baseball just made this up out of whole cloth because I suppose it made sense to them. Emmetlang (talk) 03:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree. "Golden sombrero" is a far more common term than in baseball.  I would say that if a cite can't be found, feel free to remove it. Resolute 19:34, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baseball? 

message: What is the agreed definition on 'fastest'? Is it 'time elapsed since start of match' or 'time taken to score three goals'?  Carli Lloyd scored 3 goals within the first 16 minutes of the Women's Football (soccer) World Cup final, but Fabienne Humm scored three goals within 5 minutes (but between 47' and 52') earlier in the same competition for Switzerland. Forever Everyday (talk) 19:27, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Either definition will be correct, so long as it is placed in context.  You could mention both records, the first as a record for fastest three goals, and the second as fastest three goals from the start of a match. Resolute 19:34, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Fastest' definition

message: For soccer and ice hockey (and possibly other sports too) the claim is made that a hat trick consists of three goals in a game, with an minor addition on "natural hat-tricks' later on.
It is true that this description corresponds to the most common modern use. However, in the strictest sense, in these sports, a hat-trick is three goals in a row in the same half/period. This, going by what I have seen used over the years, is also the originally dominating sense, with the simple "three goals" being the result of a devaluation of the term (likely by journalists). Certainly, those in the know rate the "true" hat-trick as a considerably stronger accomplishment than the "everyday" hat-trick, just like bowling a perfect game on a competition grade alley is considerably more impressive than at the local "after work" alley.
I have no objections to the modern use being given as the main meaning; however, a proper discussion of the strict and non-strict sense should be added sufficiently prominently. Ideally, various meanings with various strictness should be given together. Giving "three goals" as THE meaning, without reservations, as the article does today is misleading.
Similar objections may or may not apply to sports that have a different character than soccer and ice hockey.
80.226.24.11 (talk) 20:41, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of strict and non-strict meanings 

message: In the ¶ on the Stephen Hickman hat trick towards the end of the Cricket §, inserting the date would be helpful.
:<B>☺</B> Dick Kimball (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cricket 

message: ::"A hat-trick or hat trick in sports is the achievement of a positive feat three times in a game, or another achievement based on the number three in some sports"
A hat-trick is itself a positive feat (which is why it has a name) and it doesn't have to be achieved three times in a game. If it is achieved three times in a game, then three hat-tricks have been achieved. 2c. Moriori (talk) 22:58, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: The lead

message: Firstly.The darts entry says "A hat-trick in darts is a score of three consecutive bullseyes, also known as the "Alan Evans Shot", after Alan Evans scored three bulleyes during a match on numerous occasions." The reference has a significantly different description of the Allan Evans Shot.  It says "... refers to the “Alan Evans Shot” (three bullseyes) when a player requires a checkout of 150." (my bolding). Scoring three bullseyes during the game is not a hat-trick, but scoring three bulls to end the game is. Secondly, the image that has been added shows three bulls, but if it is not an image of a score that ended a game, it is not an image of the Evans shot as defined by the reference. Moriori (talk) 20:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darts entry is problematic