Talk:Jamie Zawinski

message: It seems that this article mostly serves to promote the person who it is about. Does this man need a quotes page when several famous philosophers do not? Do you see where I am going with this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.62.227.184 (talk) 11:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Article seems self promoting

message: where did he go to college? CMU?
: According to Peter Norvig's essay "Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years", he only has a high school degree.
:: That's a good question. While I am skeptical of its credibility, this source says that he is a CMU dropout.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by GatesPlusPlus (talk • contribs) 09:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  College 

message: Jamie is a outstanding programmer. We are all in debt of his work, at least in pushing Netscape to "open" his browser. Yes, Netscape did it too late, but did it because of at least jwz. What about current Internet if it was dominated only by Microsoft Internet Explorer ?  --Nbrouard 10:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In his debt 

message: No-brainer. It's a one-line stub. Chris Cunningham 13:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: do you, wikipedia community, consider ok to add here another quote attributed to Zawinski: "Linux is only free if your time is worthless" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.78.82.95 (talk • contribs) 10:46, 10 August 2007
: Yes.  Gotta add this.  It's the best way and original way of expressing this frequently observed fact.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.253.179 (talk) 01:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Free as in speech, not as in beer" -- attr. RMS Niczar ⏎ 14:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Plus, the full article at Zawinski's website states he was quoted out of context, and goes on to say "Linux sucks, but is still better than Windows or MacOS". He also runs Linux on his PC, so he cannot hate it that much ;) 201.216.245.25 (talk) 14:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linux quote 

message: Do add a note that his homepage is a work of art: a hex dump theme. I tried but
 (Reverted good faith edits by Jidanni; Perhaps, but we aren't supposed to be passing judgement. using TW) (undo)
Jidanni 16:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:NPOV and WP:NOR -- those core policies require that if we make a value statement, we have to have a reliable source to back it up.  Wikipedia is WP:NOT a publisher of original thought.  Can you find a review of his web site published in a reliable source? ←BenB4 17:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe http://www.google.com/search?q=jwz.com+website+awards OK I give up. You win. Bye. Jidanni 04:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not a case of "winning". The proposed text is obviously completely inappropriate. And come on, is it really of any importance whatsoever that the design of his website's index page is novel? Pure trivia. Chris Cunningham 07:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  I wouldn't say that the design of his webpage is trivial, Jamie is aware of what the design of the web page means, as a tribute to his former life as a programmer.  Other webpages on his webspace are similarly meaningful (for instance, the post-modern collage style of his page on DadaDodo).  While a mention of this might be appropriate, I agree that it isn't necessary, and how it was earlier mentioned was a trivia-esque. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add that his homepage is cool 

message: Jeffrey Friedl, author of Mastering Regular Expressions, did some digging on this quote.
His finding are located in his blog . Among his commentors was Jamie saying he, indeed, repurposed the quote. Is this relevant? 212.235.15.70 (talk) 21:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now You Have Two Problems 

message: Is this person notable?  Richard Pinch (talk) 17:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This deletionist mentality of Wikipedians is really pissing me off. I think it is pretty evident that he is "notable": working on XEmacs and the early Netscape team is no joke. Stop tagging articles as "not notable" if you've got no clue on what it is about. GatesPlusPlus (talk) 09:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  If he is so evidently notable, there will be an easy argument to make in terms of some well-known notability criteria which you could express here or, better still, in the article: for example, by providing references to reliable sources.  If not, then not.  Richard Pinch (talk) 15:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  While I don't disagree with the tag (as the article doesn't currently assert its notability), I do think that sufficient sources should be findable. Zawinski was the lead developer of the Unix version of Netscape Navigator, author and maintainer of a high-profile software application (xscreensaver) and one of the key narrators of the XEmacs / GNU Emacs schism. Unfortunately WP's coverage of free software personalities still isn't particularly good. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: New User:69.228.230.16 removed the tag with the comment 85 hits on http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q="Jamie+Zawinski".  Richard Pinch (talk) 21:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Jamie's activism for Mozilla, less so his takeover of the nightclub, are fairly notable acts by a marginally notable person. I think an individual page packed with an inflated self-importance is a bit of a stretch. I don't care if he's mentioned in a programming book. I don't care if he's featured in WIRED or was on TV. A lot of people were. (Hell, so have I!) At the time of the one or two books he's mentioned in, the world was glutted with computer books. I mean really, one question should be: do jwz's multiple opinions on Perl, C++, and Java warrant whole sections?? Is his every move regarding the nightclub really relevant to most of the world? That's just crazy. I'll be damned if jwz didn't put in most of this trivia on his own and if he didn't he either has one extraordinarily dedicated fan or pays a ghostwriter. I suppose we can argue jwz is marginally notable enough to be listed in Wikipedia, though having his own page at this moment is questionable. Having an endless page that runs on into trivia, longer than many really important people, is just beyond the pale. Cut it down to the essential three paragraphs that he marginally merits. I don't know him personally, I'm sure I know a bunch of his friends, and I'm sure he's not a bad guy. But come down off it a bit! Zelchenko (talk) 16:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: Considering the notability of this guy, the article should really have a picture!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.169.25 (talk) 03:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. Go take one with his consent and upload it under a free license so it can be added to the article. Infrogmation (talk) 14:44, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Why does this article not cite the persistent speculation that Zawinski is the actual author of the Dali Clock screensaver? This rumor is legendary in Silicon Valley, so much so that nobody is certain who is really responsible for the software authorship.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.62.241.2 (talk) 19:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Speculation and rumor are not topics for Wikipedia. Find a reliable source for the information, then go ahead and add it with a citation of that source.  RossPatterson (talk) 13:55, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

text: According to jwz himself: Dali Clock "is a very old program! The original version was written in 1979 by Steve Capps for the Xerox Alto workstation" -- from the "History" section of http://www.jwz.org/xdaliclock/  --Georgeryp (talk) 03:16, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Dali Clock Controversy

message: Does anyone know what the W stands for? This is important information! 216.240.30.23 (talk) 21:13, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle name?

message: I removed the "chair throwing" claim because it was based on a self-published source, which is contrary to WP:SPS:
:Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer.
Since the claim is itself both controversial and rather unreliable (a quote from the source: "most everything I have to say about jwz is hearsay"), WP:BLP applies. GregorB (talk) 15:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed sentence 

message: the above article redirects to this one, but it is not referred to anywhere in the text. Stub Mandrel (talk) 09:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It does now. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:19, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zawinskis Law of Sofware Development? 

message: I have restored Jamie's DNA ownership to the lede.  This is, in truth, the thing that he is most well-known for in the current decade and honestly the fact that it isn't better sourced or discussed is surprising to me. (I don't think this is bad-faith; I think it's a natural outcome of computer science types writing about computer science types; they're excited about the code, not so much the bartending).
The section should be improved; I'll look for better sources to expand it.--Jorm (talk) 23:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  DNA Lounge Ownership 

message: I think there should be some information in this article about Jamie's personal beef with Microsoft, as described here: https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html.
2600:1700:37A0:8250:0:0:0:49 (talk) 13:42, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusions of subject's personal beef with Microsoft 

message: Nome, Alaska, or Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? This WP page says Pittsburgh; IMDB says Nome. Are there sources for either? Ɛs Huvər (talk) 03:13, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace