Talk:Wright Flyer

message: Hello . Single aircraft which are named are italicized (Wright Flyer, Enola Gay, etc.). Saw you also removed italics from the name of a Space Shuttle and the Ingenuity helicopter, so wanted to let you know before other Space Shuttle pages are unitalicized. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:48, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Italics

message: All,
Why did editor Randy Kryn remove the short section about pieces of the Wright Flyer being brought to the Moon and Mars? His edit claims "there is an entire section about this at the page below" but it's not clear what "page" he is referring to. I no longer see any references to these in the article.  
Certainly, the section as written was entirely accurate and now no information about the Wright Flyer pieces brought to the Moon and Mars appears in this article at all.
Strongly need this restored. TheGreyMouser2016 (talk) 03:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said in my edit summary, a section already existed when you added yours. You can find it at Wright Flyer#Artifacts. Please have a look to see if more needs to be added, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

text: I don't know what you mean by 'roll up section'. The topics have a decent sized section with some good images. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks for the suggestion, I've added a brief note in the lead as a summary of the Artifacts section. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:16, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: When  mentions the "roll- up subsection", I can only conclude that this editor is reading the article on the godforsaken mobile app which displays only the lead section of the article, unless the reader clicks on a pull-down menu to actually read the body of the full article. , this is the type of havoc that WMF software foolishness wreaks. The fully functional desktop site works fine on 2021 mobile devices and the app is addressing 2010 problems. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The only time I looked at Wikipedia on mobile was when a friend looked something up about 10 years ago, and I've never edited on mobile, so thanks for the explanation and a sad thing to hear. Because of TheGreyMouse's commendable persistence I've added a summary to the lead which should do the trick. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , I do 99% of my editing on Android smartphones, and I use the desktop site. I only check out the mobile site from time to time, to verify that it still sucks, which it still does. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, not the mobile life for me. Edit on a chesttop laptop, much easier laying around than sitting up. My related quibble is the small size of the default print, I crank my machine up to 175 percent and that suits me fine. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed it from the lede - a couple of swatches of cloth are too minor to put in the lede and has little to do with the aircraft and its flights during its operational life time. It is mentioned down in the body of the article under "artifacts" and that is sufficient. - Ahunt (talk) 12:18, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello . The lead summarizes its page and, apparently, is the only thing shown on some screens. Instead of removing these important honors of the Wright Flyer this lead could use a couple more paragraphs in addition to this one. Maybe concentrate on extending the lead summary, which is now too short, and provide the standard lead-overview of the article. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter really, even if the lede is expanded, or split into more paras, the fact that a tiny swatch of fabric was sent to Mars is still really minor and wouldn't belong in the lede. - Ahunt (talk) 12:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd disagree. If there was an adequate lead summarizing the page the honoring, no matter how large a piece of the Wright Flyer was used (what if NASA had sent an entire wing of the plane? The tiny fabrics, and the wood which went to the Moon, have the same effect: symbolizing in real-time and space the enormity of what the Wright's accomplished) it would find inclusion in the summary. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would basically classify it as WP:TRIVIA, but let's see if any other editors think it should be in the lede. - Ahunt (talk) 13:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Interesting but in the end it is trivia and doesnt need a mention in the lead. MilborneOne (talk) 17:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was section discussing pieces of Flyer on Moon and Mars deleted??? 

message: Stringfellow beat them.
https://www.newscientist.com/definition/first-powered-flight/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.170.14.66 (talk • contribs) 
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:From the article Wright brothers:
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:Key words are pilot, and also controlled, which, back then, would be a pilot. DB1729 (talk) 04:39, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the key word that you quote is "sustained" that doesnt apply to Stringfellow. MilborneOne (talk) 11:54, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, Stringfellow's craft flew about 90 feet vs Wright's 120 feet. So I gathered the key distinction was control. Stringfellow's craft was unmanned and thus uncontrolled. DB1729 (talk) 13:13, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia content is based on published reliable sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: The Wright brothers were not the first

message: This article uses the global dating system (dd/mm/yy). Why am I ranting about this? Well the flight, took place in Kill Devil, North Carolina, which is in the United States. The United States, however uses their own dating system (mm/dd/yy). I request to fix this. Please change all the dates in the article to fit mm/dd/yy. This is to give convenience to American readers. MLBFanAdrien (talk) 02:08, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. The article originally used MDY dates, but because of a mistaken change to the article date in May 2021, the date style was changed in December 2021. As such, I've started changing it back. BilCat (talk) 03:02, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uses global dating system 

message: This photo shows the Wrights and party(the men from the Life Saving Station) bringing the Flyer back to the camp after the fourth flight on December 17, 1903. The airplane is in a state of disassembly and transit with the rudder laying on the ground in back of the machine. The engine and props have stopped. The front elevator has been detached and is in a more upright position as it had been twisted over and semi crushed after the fourth flight. Importantly the machine has probably already been brought back several hundred feet from where it ended the 852ft flight by the time this photo was snapped. One can compare the photo with the more clear frontal photo of the machine just after Wilbur's landing. 
Koplimek (talk) 22:07, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit confused, what's the mystery of the photo?  Furthermore, will solving this mystery help improve the article? - ZLEA T\C 22:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, what is your point? - Ahunt (talk) 00:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

text: Because many people think the aeroplane is still flying. There was a caption by early flying historian Carroll Gray, it has now been reduced to a citation, and now essentially out of site. So I added some clearup.Koplimek (talk) 19:47, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see how people might think that, but I don't know that it is a problem on Wikipedia. - ZLEA T\C 00:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

text: Liking the uncropped version better, it gives a fuller experience of what the site looked like. I haven't looked if it's there yet, but if it is real, and seems to be, the uncropped version could be used on the page somewhere in a large enough size to provide the feeling of the scene. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wright Flyer#Flight trials at Kitty Hawk. It's been there awhile. BilCat (talk) 02:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

text: I added it for context and added the other front photo. Cropped versions are at Wikicommons.Koplimek (talk) 19:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Solving mystery of this photo

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