Talk:Ben Jonson

message: Where does the birthdate of "c. June 11" originate? As far as I can tell, it copies an error that was corrected 
in the Peter Whalley edition of Underwoods, published in 1756. If you search googlebooks for "jonson gifford digby june january"
you will get the whole story. This has been known at least since W. Gifford's 1816 Memoirs of Ben Jonson and I'm not aware of it having
been contradicted. Yet June 11, or c. June 11, or even June 21 (Gregorian) are continually seen in reference works. Mark Shulgasser (talk) 03:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, here is the excerpt. It seems to be saying Jonson was born in 1573, not 1572, and on an unknown date because the supposed date of 11 June was a misreading of Kenelm Digby's "my birthday" as "his birthday". Digby was in fact born on 11 July, not 11 June, so that's a doubly erroneous misreading. --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 04:11, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Jonson's date of birth

message: Does anyone have a citation for this quote? It sounds suspect to me (un-Jacobean in its language), but I could be wrong. The Singing Badger 23:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blathering on about ducks

message: Just a thought, but since Jonson's work has been revived in the 20th and 21st centuries, should there be a section on famous productions of his work? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.0.205.114 (talk) 00:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous productions of Jonson

message: Great article, but I'm just a little confused about one detail. The account of Jonson's arrest in 1598, his appeal for benefit of clergy and subsequent conversion to Roman Catholicism: my history is generally very good, but I'm lost as to how he was given the freedom to convert to what was not a state recognised religion (especially given that five years earlier Marlowe was "fitted up" for having Catholic sympathies). Any explanations are very welcome. Absurdtrousers (talk) 14:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: Did he really have two sons called Benjamin?
86.186.147.5 (talk) 22:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not impossible - childhood mortality often resulted in Christian names being passed onto the same sex sibling subsequently born, as appears to have happened in this case. It does not appear the second son had a known age or we would be able to deduce a likely birth year.Cloptonson (talk) 21:25, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Children

message: Could someone who knows how to edit correct the painting attribution? The painting shown here is NOT the famous C.17 portrait by Abraham van Blyenberch but a rather poor and relatively modern (C19?) copy. (Both are owned by the National Portrait Gallery, London - you can see both at their site.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.243.229 (talk) 18:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrectly attributed painting 

message: These are generally deprecated when the body of the article covers the material and is referenced, but a statement has been challenged with a  request and now has a citation. More in WP:LEADCITE. --Old Moonraker (talk) 07:16, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference in Lead 

message: At present this is dotted about the article, wherever it's relevant to incidents in Jonson's life. Would there be any benefit in creating a short new section for this, or is it better as it is, cropping up in roughly chronological order? --Old Moonraker (talk) 19:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say yes, there would be benefit in grouping together, also in chronological order. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, got round to a tilt at it. (I was going to say stab at it, but in the context that would have been inappropriate!) Suggestions? --Old Moonraker (talk) 12:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: The notion that orare Ben Jonson can mean "pray for Ben Jonson" is not supportable. To say that you would need the preposition pro as in Ora [Deum] pro Ben Jonson. As the object of an infinitive, the phrase would mean "to pray to [or beg] Ben Jonson", or as the subject of an infinitive phrase, it would mean "[that] Ben Jonson prays." None of it makes any sense, of course; this silly speculation and inaccurate translation of a phrase which is not Latin but English does not belong in an encyclopedia article. Rwflammang (talk) 00:21, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: So, should anybody get round to a new ==Religion== section, as suggested above, they would need to accommodate the fact that this is a misreading, and reference it accordingly. The current source fully meets WP:RS standards, but on another page her scholarship is called into question. --Old Moonraker (talk) 11:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to leave it out, in the end; it's better leaving it with the gravestone information. --Old Moonraker (talk) 12:43, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But, it does need a fix, in line with User:Rwflammang's suggestion. Somewhen in the next couple of days/weeks.--Old Moonraker (talk) 07:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ref added, with a quote supporting the "insupportable notion". Glad I found this, rather than having to rely on my imperfect memory of my Latin studies!--Old Moonraker (talk) 16:42, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  dog latin 

message: So, huge sections of this article are just copy-pasted from other places on the internet and aren't cited. It also makes for some disorganized and confusing reading. Someone who knows a thing or two about the subject should try to re-work it. Brighamhb (talk) 14:20, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you believe that "huge sections of this article are just copy-pasted from other places on the internet", then I think you should remove them asap. User:Moonriddengirl has a lot of experienec with copy-vio etc. Perhaps we should ask her for some advice. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:31, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Refimprov

message: Just for information – according to The Cornishman newspaper, on 15 August 1878 (page 3), Johnson died on 16 August 1637. Not 6 August  1637. Jowaninpensans (talk) 12:57, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we be sure it was not a misprint, given it was published two centuries after Jonson's death and there is no one alive to corroborate the 19th century statement?Cloptonson (talk) 21:31, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also, there's the OS/NS (Julian/Gregorian) issue. It's quite possible he died on 6 August Julian, which was the same day as 16 August Gregorian because the gap between the two calendars was 10 days at that time. Can someone verify this? --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 03:58, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  This confirms that premise. --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 04:19, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jonson's date of death 

message: Is Drummond the only source for Jonson's military career?  Do we know approximate dates for when he was in Flanders?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Flanders

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message: There have been several additions to the article recently.  They are all good, helpful additions, and there is no reason to revert or change them, but they are unsupported by any references.  --Martin Wyatt (talk) 17:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent unsupported additions 

message: The heading of the poem is actually Epitaph on S.P..  The notes in my edition (Routledge & Kegan Paul 1954, editor George Burke Johnston) call him Salomon (sic) and say that he was long misnamed Salathiel.  The spelling of personal names varied, but perhaps it should be Salomon rather than Solomon?  Martin Wyatt (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salathiel or Solomon Pavy? 

message: Where is the source for note a?
"Jonson's claim is interesting, since early printings of Shakespeare's work suggest that he tended to start a scene before giving up and trying again. His failure to cross the original attempts out left his printers unsure what needed to be deleted, though also allowed an insight into his creative process."
Rupp78 (talk) 18:51, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to be unsourced. There's a possible source by E. A. J. Honigmann in The Review of English Studies,  New Series, Vol. 56, No. 223 (Feb., 2005), pp. 37-48: here Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I put it in a long time ago and must have forgotten to add a source-I've put it in. This is well-known, they're called 'false starts'. Blythwood (talk) 14:09, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note a's source? 

message: Ben Jonson's poem Song:To Celia is published in the book Poetry for Students; Volume 23. Is it relevant to add something like this to his page as an accomplishment? 2600:1004:B201:FD27:C894:6771:EF93:AEF (talk) 13:54, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant information to add?