Talk:Hank Williams/Archive 1

message: Is the rememberance photo supposed to be a joke? I know he was an alchoholic, but it seems kinda throwing it in his face. Besides, did he drink Budweiser? 63.226.28.130 21:46, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tribute

message: I am sure I listened to a record in 1952 that had Back Street Affair on the flip side of Your Cheatin Heart by Hank Williams. Everyone else says I am wrong.
Could Audrey Mae Sheppard have sung it?
The lyrics:
Yes I thought that you were true
When I fell in love with you
But as time passed on 
I learned how much you cared.
Yes I learned you had a home 
and a true forgiving wife.
But I can't live down 
the back street affair.
It really bothers me that no one else heard of the song before it was recorded by Webb Pierce and yet I know I was singing it in 1953.
If you know anything about it please contact me at   ndelber@aol.com.  Thanks
--- That was Kitty Wells.  (shenkin@mindspring.com) ---
I have heard that Hank sang Back Street Affair while with the Hayride.One story I have heard is that
Webb Pierce complemented Hank on his new record when Hank told him he had not recorded the song. Then
said something to the effect that it would be a number 1 record if anyone had the balls to record it.
Another part of the story is that Fred Rose did not want Hank to record it.
Milto 04:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Older comments

message: The explanation of his death needs to be re-written in a more coherent manner. --Neenerhead 23:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Story 

message: It is perhaps unfair to say that Hank was "unfaithful" to his second wife. at least in the strictest marital sense, as the article notes that Jett was born five days after Hank's death, and that his second marriage had occured only less than three months earlier.  His enconters with Bobbie Jett were, obviously, about nine months earlier.  This is not an attempt to enshirne Hank as some sort of moral paragon but only to suggest that he, like everyone else, should be dealt with fairly. Rlquall 22:19, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Unfaithfulness" 

message: The article lists three wives:
1.  Bryony Bonds.  No mention of dissolution of marriage. Furthermore, this name has no google hits apart from wikipedia mirrors.
2.  Audrey Williams.  Divorced.
3.  Billie Jean Jones Eshliman.  This marriage is referred to as his second, not third.
If anyone can clarify his marital history it would be appreciated. BrainyBroad 13:23, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
:i was also very confused about all this . . .  --Heah (talk) 14:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction tag

message: After Hank died I have heard that his physician was convicted of some sort of crime related to Hanks death.   Does anyone know anything about that accusation.
:I think it's one of the rumors surrounding his death. BTW, one anonymous user keeps adding a ton of plagiarized rumors to this article about Hank's death. Let's keep the death section factual and referenced (since there are so many rumors out there about the death). Best, --Alabamaboy 00:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hank's Death 

message: Could someone please elaborate on the significance of the quotation in the introduction regarding the type of songs they used to sing?  I don't really understand what it's in reference to, and I would imagine many readers feel the same way.
--- It's a stupid quote.  In fact, "Mother's not dead, she's only a-sleeping" was originally recorded (as far as I know) by Charlie Monroe's band and later by Bill Monroe's band.  It's a great song, and less lugubrious than a lot of Hank's material.  (shenkin@mindspring.com) ---
I think there's a better way to make the point than that quote. I'm in favour of deleting it. Design 13:18, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: ----the true history of the death of Hank Williams was written by
D.B. Mays  group moderator of KerryEdwards2004 with over 2000 members.  He is an eye witness to the death of Hank Williams and the
continuing cover-up of the circumstances of Hanks death by Bluefield WV authorities, music city and the driver Andrew Carr who drove around with a dead Hank for over 12 hours before reporting his death.
If wikipedia persists in removing my posts about the real story 
of Hank's death I will personally make an issue out of it with every 
progressive and democratic group that I am associated with--which are very numerous indeed.  If my story is considered suspect then I
encourage everyone to look at the complete absence of one day (the day Hank died in Carr's and other music city accounts).  I am perfectly willing to take a lie detector test--something Carr and the cover-up crew will never do.
the actual death:
The information that the anonymous user (with ISP number starting in 4.249...) keeps adding to this article is vandalism. First, the informtion is rumor with no references to support it. Second, the addition appears to be directly cut and pasted from another source, making it likely a copyright violation. If this user disputes either of these charges please post on this talk page why the information is true and provide a reference. Best, --Alabamaboy 00:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like you have an interesting story to tell on all of this. Unfortunately, though Wikipedia has a policy of not allowing original research. Because of this, you can't place this info in the article. I wish you the best in submitting to a magazine or newspaper, though. I'd be interested to read the entire account when you publish it. Best, --Alabamaboy 16:18, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

text: As i outlined on your talk page and as Alabamaboy stated above, all sources must be cited from published accounts.  This has nothing to do with censorship, it has to do with accepted standards of verifiability here at wikipedia, which i again request that you read.  Find an article and cite it, as i suggested before.  as far as this encyclopedia is concerned, your eyewitness account is original research.  I know that i don't doubt what you saw, and from his posts above, i don't beleive alabamaboy does either; but your eyewitness accounts are not up to wikipedia standards of verifiability.  I'd also like to request (again) that you refrain from the name calling; it is unproductive and frowned upon, and may eventually result in your editing privileges being temporarily revoked.  thank you.  --Heah talk 01:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: I understand that some sources claim that in addition to writing whole songs, that: Hank would co-write (especially with his publisher Fred Rose (musician); he would buy songs outright; his co-writers sometimes received royalties but not credit (some sources say Moon Mullican with Jambalaya (song)). Could someone please add this. Fred Rose was a powerful part of Hank's career & is not yet mentioned in this article. Design 13:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hank's co-writers

message: "When the seventeen year-old chauffeur pulled over at an all-night service station in Oak Hill, West Virginia, he discovered that Williams was unresponsive and becoming rigid. Upon closer examination, it was discovered that Hank Williams was dead. He had been married for the second time for less than three months." Sounds like a joke. Perhaps someone can edit this better? --Profero 08:59, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The second marriage killed him? 

message: he was very goood at his job
:Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 20:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  he was very goood at his job 

message: There is a lot of anecdotal evidence between people who knew, or worked for, or are related to Hank that a man named Lewis "Butch" Fitzgerald of Montgomery, AL is a child of Hank's, born out of wedlock in 1943, which would make him the eldest child of Hank.  Butch has a grandson named Ricky Fitzgerald (b. 1998) who looks and sounds like a Hank Williams Jr. clone and is a professional musician and has gone by the stage names Hank Williams IV & Hank Williams 5 at various times, and he also sounds a lot like Hank as well when he does his songs.  There are multiple pictures floating around the web of Hank sitting with a child purported to be Butch and taken circa mid-1940's before Hank Jr. was born.  Butch is poor and cannot afford a legal battle to contest the estate, and thus far hasn't presented any proof other than anecdotal stories and the pictures.  There is no mention of this in the article, and there is no ironclad evidence as the detractors of Mr. Fitzgerald will point out, but being that there is a claimant who's presenting evidence, something should be written about it with citations.PhilMaglassup (talk) 20:33, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Colin Escott's biography is the one reliable source I can find that mentions Lewis "Butch" Fitzgerald's claims, but given that Fitzgerald has no evidence other than rumors and hearsay, I don't think they merit a mention in the article. Carlstak (talk) 15:25, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not to add the claim, since we got the source. It pretty much went over my head at the time I worked on the article a few years back. I do think the entry needs a little cleanup as a side commentary. Since it has been promoted to GA there have been some messy edits, and claims that need citations. I'll get to it the next few days.--GDuwenHoller! 19:23, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Working on the cleanup as of now, the work to be done is not really overwhelming and citations need to be added (and some unnecessary things added posterior to its GAN need to be removed as well).--GDuwenHoller! 20:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I worked it into the "Personal life" section. I also added a mention to the claims that Lillie Williams ran a brothel in her boarding house. Fitzgerald made the claims, and they also are addressed by author Chet Flippo and Colin Escott. I obviously mentioned its denial by family friends, but it is worthy to be mentioned somewhere in the article.--GDuwenHoller! 20:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hank's other alleged child 

message: Hello, 
I edited Hiram to "Hiriam" because this is how it is spelled on Williams' birth certificate as shown on Ken Burns' Country Music doc. It was changed back. I may be wrong, but is there any source that confirms it's spelled "Hiram" and not "Hiriam"? Thanks
:His birth certificate does indeed spell the name as "Hiriam", but the bibliography (such as in this example) indicate that it was misspelled by whoever wrote the certificate.--GDuwenHoller! 21:42, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of Hank's name 

message: "Honky-tonk music" redirects to country music; "Western music" is listed as a subgenre of country music. Shouldn't just country music be listed for generality? RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 14:43, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: Hank was a mixed Native of Muscogee and Cherokee lineage and it seems that every few months someone comes in to purge it from his article even though it is fairly common knowledge, widely written about, and he has received honors in recognition as such. 174.85.59.117 (talk) 02:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hank Williams, Native American Musician 

message: Of all the things that could be written about Williams, the fact that endorsed Dwight D. Eisenhower would seem to be one of the least relevant things about his life and career, which takes up an entire paragraph. The source isn't even a biography of Williams, it's just a factoid mentioned in a book that is only used for this one reference. Tom Reedy (talk) 18:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: On further inspection, that isn't even in the ref. Deleted. Tom Reedy (talk) 01:38, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eisenhower endorsement relevancy? 

message: Rockabilly? I don't think this fits. The ref refers to "protorockabilly," which is not the same. And the gospel genre needs no ref, especially one that's broken. Tom Reedy (talk) 23:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres in info box 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: I wrote a new paragraph before the start of the chronologically ordered events of Hank's legacy. I did it in order to replace the vague claim of him being considered the "king of country music" (which we may disagree or not, but there are also plenty of sources making the same proclamation about Merle Haggard, George Jones or whoever). Instead, I think it is more productive (even if we are repeating their names later on, like the halls of fame) to point to the description that renown sources have already made of him. That would paint a good enough image of what he meant to the genre (and to music in general) before we jump to the rest of things dedicated to him. 
Of course, further aproppiate remarks should be added (and do let me know if I've been relaying too much on direct quotation!).--GDuwenHoller! 18:23, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Roy Acuff was universally recognized as the King of Country Music in Williams' time. Even Hank acknowledged it in a 1952 interview:"He's the biggest singer the music ever knew. You booked him and you didn't worry about crowds. For drawing power in the South, it was Roy Acuff and then God." Tom Reedy (talk) 23:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Hank had it right, similarly to how in my very Southern family, Robert E. Lee always outranked God and the Holy Trinity.;-) Carlstak (talk) 02:59, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: New paragraph to start the "Legacy" section

message: I have opened up a discussion here. Tom Reedy (talk) 00:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant WP:RS board discussion 

message: The only biography that mentions Connie McKee is on pages 19-20 of Jay Caress' Hank Williams: Country Music's Tragic King (1979), which I presume is the source for Leppert and Lipsitz. Hank Williams never mentioned him, his sister never mentioned him, and his mother (who made up a lot of stuff) never mentioned him. The information comes from Taft Skipper, Hank's first cousin on his mother's side. And he doesn't say what Leppert and Lipsitz say. The exact quotation is (after he describes Connie McKee): "I think Hank picked up some of his first guitar stuff from him."
Not only do Leppert and Lipsitz make more of Skipper's comment than is warranted, they also have three two other demonstrable errors of interpretation on that page, i.e. that Hank tried out for the rodeo, that he made a "secret trip" to Portland, and that he worked under the pseudonym Herman P. Willis for Jack Ruby. They also name two early band members who didn't play in the band at the same time as if they were in the same band in order to make a point. Tom Reedy (talk) 05:33, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Tom, thanks for your notice. Please feel free to remove any erroneous information that I've added to the article; you are better informed on the subject than I am. I would do it myself right now but I have to husband the little energy I have left after today. I've been asked to comment on some very serious matters and I need to think about that weighty stuff after a shower, a couple glasses of wine and a bowl.;-) Carlstak (talk) 00:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with Wikipedia is no "like" button. Tom Reedy (talk) 04:11, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.;-) Carlstak (talk) 13:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connie McKee