Talk:Japan/Archive 8

message: The article says that beginning in the 12th century martial arts consisting of judo, karate, etc were practiced. I contend this fact because Judo was founded sometime around 1882 (http://www.judoinfo.com/jhist4.htm) and karate was formalized a few years after. 
"The first public demonstration of karate in Japan was in 1917 by Gichin Funakoshi, at the Butoku-den in Kyoto (Hassell 1984)." (http://www.karateinternational.net/karatehistory.php)
Mustamike 
03:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please leave your username after you write. IF you think Judo was founded later than the 12th century, then it is probably ok to edit the article if you have sufficient sources. Good friend100 02:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  judo in the 12th century??? 

message: Hideyoshi launched Seven-Year War.
I changed the above statement to "Hideyoshi launched the Imjin War" because of the grammatical error and the name of the article as changed as well, is that ok? Good friend100 02:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you call it with a Korean name? Is it well known in the world? At least it is not in Japan. It seems that some people keep removing the sentence while others keep adding just because of the name. Can't we just agree about the fact and put a name acceptable to everyone or just "a war"? --Litte Tree 23:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its better to discuss at the Imjin War talk page. There is much to say there. Good friend100 13:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  grammatical error 

message: First before I go on I am going to ask everyone this. Why are all these people attacking Korea and not leaving their own name. Is because you are too shameful to even show your own name to the public? If you believe the Koreans are nationalists, POVs, hijackers, vandalizers etc etc... then why don't you come out boldly, instead of skimpering around in the back?
Is it because you know we're right, or are you not strong enough to attack Korea, or specifically me? Its just rididulous with that excuse just to delete "exxagerated" content that "Korean hijackers" wrote.
I don't believe the "exxagerated" material had information such as "Korea went to Japan and found barbarians" or "Koreans taught the Japanese everything" or "Japan should thank Korea for helping them" or "Japan is actually Korea".
All the content that were deleted are true and they are not exxagerated. The edit should be reverted. Good friend100 19:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ok

message: Compare:
"Government-industry cooperation, a strong work ethic, mastery of high technology, and a comparatively small defense allocation (1% of GDP) helped Japan advance with extraordinary rapidity to the rank of second most technologically powerful economy in the world after the US and the third-largest economy in the world after the US and China, measured on a purchasing power parity (PPP) basis." - CIA Factbook
"Government-industry cooperation, a strong work ethic, mastery of high technology, and a comparatively small defense allocation have helped Japan advance with extraordinary speed to become one of the largest economies in the world." - wiki article
Please choose more original wording. 70.187.164.216 03:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism

message: http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,625427,00.html
"I, on my part, feel a certain kinship with Korea, given the fact that it is recorded in the Chronicles of Japan that the mother of Emperor Kammu was of the line of King Muryong of Paekche," he [Emperor Akihito] told reporters.
**PEAKCHE OF KOREA AND THE ORIGIN OF YAMATO JAPAN 
*Japanese Art and Its Korean Secret
Unfortunately, many of Korea's greatest monuments were burned down by the Japanese. National treasures were looted and destroyed. This can give the impression of cultural superiority.
*Who rightfully owns Korean artifacts looted by Japan?
"Historians believe Japan carried away the bulk of its Korean cultural assets during two aggressions: the 16th-century invasion of the Korean peninsula and its 20th-century occupation."
"But the size of the haul is astounding. Eighty percent of all Korean Buddhist paintings are believed to be in Japan. And, says Seoul art historian Kwon Cheeyun, "35,000 Korean art objects and 30,000 rare books have been confirmed to be there, too." That's only the tip of the iceberg: much more is believed to be hidden away in private collections."
"More than 1,000 bronze, gold and celadon pieces owned by the late businessman Takenosuke Ogura now make up the core of the Tokyo National Museum's Korean section. Another precious item is a two-meter-tall stone tablet, originally built in northern Korea to commemorate the country's repelling of the 16th-century Japanese invasion."
Taeguk Warrior 00:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you remember what happened when the emperor declared Korean ancestry? Japan was really quiet. They weren't surprised because they already knew it. Japanese people already know of Korean ancestry, they just don't talk about it. Good friend100 01:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Japanese are mostly the same ethnic group as Mongolians.  Of course, it's nearly impossible to avoid intermingling with Koreans to some degree given the fact that Japan often had a presence in one form of another on the Korean peninsula.  What's more, the emperor's line is from the continent as opposed to the island, and his comments were that his line was not so much a mix of native islanders (the Ainu) but originally derived from the continent (he felt kinship with Koreans, who are also derived thusly). Komdori 15:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder why the emperor didn't declare his kinship to Mongolian ancestry, maybe it had something to do with Emperor Kammu and the influx of Baekje scholars, in addition to the influx of Yayoi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Japan#Korean_influences Taeguk Warrior 20:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: READ THIS

message: Please join discussions at Talk:Imjin Wars.  I think the correct title of that article needs to be Hideyoshi's Invasion of Korea.  This is based on my Google Books count, which represent citations of scholarly materials....
* 204 instances of "Hideyoshi" AND "invasion of Korea"
* 76 instances of "Hideyoshi's Invasion of Korea" OR "Hideyoshi's Invasions of Korea"
* 37 instances of "Hideyoshi" AND "invasion of China"
* 22 instances of "Imjin War" OR "Imjin Wars"
* 6 instances of "Hideyoshi" AND "seven year war"
:Note:  The last page of the search was used, as that appears to show the actual number of links.  (Google searching has its peculiarities.)  When viewing details within the above links, click "PREVIOUS" repeatedly to see the rest of the material.
Invasion of Korea comes out on top, while Hideyoshi's Invasion of Korea is 2nd place.  However, because Invasion of Korea is used in the context of "Hideyoshi" anyways, Hideyoshi's Invasion of Korea is a more appropriate name.
Also invasion of Korea outnumbers Imjin War(s) by a factor of 9 to 1.  Hideyoshi's Invasion(s) of Korea outnumbers Imjin War(s) by a factor of 3 to 1.  Also, Imjin War(s) is usually never used in the Japanese context, as most instances have the word "Korea" prominently in the book title, topic, chapter title, etc., proving that it is used mostly in the Korean context, and not in the general context.
Finally, all mention of "Hideyoshi's Invasion of Korea" in this (and all Japan-related articles) should use "Hideyoshi's Invasion of Korea" rather than "Imjin War".--Endroit 17:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In Japanese it may be "Bunroku-Keicho-no-Eki", but in English--in the Japanese context--it is commonly called "Hideyoshi's Invasion of Korea" or simply "Invasion of Korea".  "Imjin War" is almost never used by other scholarly references in any Japanese context, English or Japanese.--Endroit 17:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "'''Hideyoshi's Invasion of Korea'''" vs. "'''Imjin War'''" 

message: Dear reverters, please be careful and do not cancel contributions that are not of your concern. --LittleTree 01:02, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert only the part of your concern

message: What were written in the subsection 'Heisei era' of 'Modern era' were about post-war period of Showa era. Nothing to do with Heisei era. So I made a subsubsection in the previous subsection 'Meiji, Taisho and Showa eras' to put the sentences in. Then, there is nothing in 'Heisei era'. Looking back in the history, some descriptions about Heisei era were removed by the edit of '06:06, 14 July 2006'. At that time, the subsection was named 'Modern Japan'. Then the subsection was renamed to 'Heisei period' at 04:05, 21 July 2006. So I temporarily restored what were removed before. Any comment?--LittleTree 02:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Heisei era

message: I have completely rewritten this section, which was written in SHAMEFULLY HORRIBLE ENGLISH. As I have stated elsewhere, these additions are very hard to read, and are confusing information, often strongly biased as well. It was not the case here, though.
However, some sentences were thrown completely randomly...  and without references, it goes without saying.
I have taken out Higuchi Ichiyō of the list of "representative" Japanese writers. And changed "typical" to "representative", if there is such a thing. "Typical" is a terrible adjective. Essentialist, and completely ignorant of the diversity of modern Japanese literature. I have replaced her by Tanizaki, arguably a more central writer in the literaty canon. Shogo Kawada 23:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Literature 

message: "At over 377,873 square kilometers". I find this clause confusing. If we have information on the country's size down to the exact kilometer, why use the word "over"? MarkBuckles 23:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Country size

message: Hope u all appreciate the new template i created for the "misc. topics" section.WoodElf 10:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template 

message: This article is 66kb long, which is more than double the recommended size... someone, anyone, a wikiwizard, PLEASE help reduce the size of the history and economy sections. WoodElf 10:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sixe of this article