Talk:Coral Smith

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message: Please produce one source, that is not tabloid, gossip, rumor or inuendo where Ms. Smith says she is lesbian.  I have read that she is reported to have said she is "exploring" but I have yet to read that she said she is gay.  I believe it is premature and a bit of a stretch however, if someone can produce the proof I will accept such.  Thank you.
:You can't argue that she's is at least bisexual. DonMEGĂ|60645 14:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't have to argue, we have to provide a reference from a reliable source especially when involving the non-mainstream sexuality of a living person. Benjiboi 23:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay/Lesbian 

message: Coral and Abram had relationships on the show they kissed and considered them to be boyfriend and girlfriend, the evidence is in interview with Coral and with MTV video tapes of the season you can see it obvious, MTV.com is a more vaild source then realityreel.com since it is a MTV show and realityreel has many not vaild claims and hoax interviews, read the MTV interview and watch the videos, if you do not want to then do not even mention it--Migospia☆ 20:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Source: http://www.mtv.com/onair/rwrr_challenge/battle_sexes2/interviews/?episodeID=79602&id=1492730 Just one quote:
I wouldn't expect Abram to invest his time or pursue a woman like myself
Plus did you watch the show they kissed and said they loved each other, I even have it on tape. And the reunion as well like I said in my edits. Thank you and happy editing. Also side note:  Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.--Migospia †♥ 03:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coral and Ab 

message: *So here are some more sources I found:
:http://www.mtv.com/onair/rwrr_challenge/battle_sexes2/interviews/?episodeID=79602&id=1492730
:http://www.tv.com/coral-smith/person/89368/biography.html
:http://www.tvgasm.com/archives/rwrr_challenge/000344.php
:http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article4904.art&page=1
:http://www.worldofb.com/etc/rwrr4.htm
:http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forums/other-reality-shows/58639-rw-rr-challenge-inferno-3-a-8.html
:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/sioncampus/05/04/mtv.evan/
:http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8409/coralaevg1.jpg
Also you can watch the show or buy the DVD Real World/Road Rules Challenge: Battle of the Sexes 2, it is documented within the first 4 challenges, or you can go to MTV.com for official transcripts and more pictures. Peace--Migospia †♥ 06:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah dont' even worry about finding more sources - it's undisputable now. --danielfolsom 16:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure that realityreel is a reliable source - but dont' just make the allegation - do you have any evidence to back it up?danielfolsom 06:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well in cases like this - with everything being reliable - there's a chance both are right. Keep in mind that according to his source the relationship was fake and set up by mtv, so the other sources could be unknowingly reporting fake information. That being said there's also a chance that Smith made it up, or there's a chance that the source made it up, so the best thing to do is to have all sources.--danielfolsom 15:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Haha - uhh, actors can be very good at acting - and saying that the actions/words are true is an opinion - someone might think that they were totally fake. In a case like this you just have to add both. --danielfolsom 00:52, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Wow, so now you're arguing for the relationship? Why the sudden change? Anyways - the fact that she's in a reality tv show sadly doesn't really make a difference. They stage things in those all the time. In fact - the source you provided even said that they staged the relationship.--danielfolsom 03:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Chris, my point was you were making points for the relationship by trying to rebuke the actor claim, Chris - just to let you know. And also, Chris, the other part of my statement still stands - that reality tv still needs actors, reality tv wouldn't be watchable if the producers didn't add some drama in there. And onne more thing Chris, by saying that she faked the relationship - she admitted she was acting, so thus she is an actress.--danielfolsom 04:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh I see what your saying now - sorry I must've misread the source :~S. I thought she said MTV wanted her to do ... but hey, sorry for the mix up. Anyways I still agree with you in that we should say that there's a chance that there wasn't a relationship. --danielfolsom 05:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clear up 

message: I did some major cleanup to the article. The most important thing I did was change it so that it was not on a first name basis. The second most important would be making all the citations the same - Migospia and Chris this especially goes to you because you guys changed the ref format by just putting in links - per Wikipedia's MOS - try to keep the same formating throughout. And then I just changed up some wording.--danielfolsom05:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How the hell could you guys let the page get this bad - seriously I've not even been gone for a week and when I come back I have to do this ? I know many of you have this page watched and maybe it's just because you like coral smith, but you let major pov crap in and it's absolutely insane. I almost think we should just revert to the editor that created the sections - that'd be about 75 edits because from what I've seen his or her version is the last good one.--danielfolsom 14:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean Up

message: I'm not familiar with this person but I'm guessing they are African-American, are they? If so it would make sense to incorporate that before launching into why she was offending at disparaging remarks against African-Americans.Benjiboi 23:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Thanks for the suggestion. :-) Nightscream 00:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  African-American? 

message: Nightscream, you've reverted this edit  and have given the edit summary reason of given how people speak. Basing this on your own subjective opinion as to how people speak strikes me as a poor reason for reverting this material as people speak incorrectly all the time. Based on the definition of the word, "WAS" implies that this no longer is the case. "IS" implies that this still is the case. Coral Smith's last Challenge IS the Gauntlet 3 because that IS still the case. The reasoning should not be based on your subjective opinion of how a lot of people speak, but on what is grammatically correct. 65.31.103.28 (talk) 01:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How people speak, and how one sees that such statements are properly made, is not an "opinion". It's an observation. Neither the definition of the word "was" nor its use imply that the status of her most recent appearance changed. It merely refers to something that took place some time ago. Nightscream (talk) 03:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's good to see so much interest in Reality TV!  Perhaps we can put our minds together and come up with a compromise?  I believe the sentence in dispute is "Her most recent Challenge appearance is/was (on) Real World/Road Rules Challenge: The Gauntlet III, which aired in early 2008".  The word "appearance" is in the prior sentence, so we could mix it up a bit and use say "participated"?  Something like, "She last participated in a Challenge in early 2008 when she competed in "The Gauntlet III".  Just throwing an idea out there to try to keep the discussion moving forward. Thanks and let me know what you think! Plastikspork (talk) 05:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Her most recent challenge was Gauntlet III. I don't think there should be a dispute here. The tense is currently correct. Neutralis (talk) 04:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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