Talk:Alessa Gillespie

message: I took quite some time writing up a nice article on Dark Alessa, including quotes from the director and actress about who she really is. I think it's extremely important that these edits remain.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.112.29 (talk) 02:54, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "I'm the dark part of Alessa". Means she's the dark part of Alessa. Means she's important to Alessa's page. The fact that it's backed up by actress and director interviews just makes it even more important.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.112.29 (talk) 01:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's not what she says.  she says "I have many names."  Like the devil in the Bible.138.23.208.9 (talk) 15:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nope. Not by any translation. The most accepted translation says "My name is Legion, for we are many." Nothing there about names. Another major translation is "And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him." Still nothing about many names. I'm not sure why user is unwilling to allow explanatory quote. AlessaGillespie (talk) 04:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Alessa 

message: Its nice to see additional info. But the sources are questionable, as the arise from a fan tranlation of a official source, which isn't wikipedia. Small douses of it are ok, it should, however remain a secondary source not a primary one.Xuchilbara 00:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's say we take this article to WP:VGPR and hope that some of the reviewers have some advice on this matter as well as the rest of the article? This is pretty close to GA. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 18:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm putting it up myself right now. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 17:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: What about simply citing the specific pages of BOLM without linking? --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 02:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming you're discussing copyright issues. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 02:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Is it even worth mentioning the translation used? --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 05:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: I think Alessa's page should be moved to the characters section of Silent Hill.  -- December Man 23:23, 16 June, 2006
:Indeed it should. Wanna do it? --Thaddius 02:43, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it in the template. I hope that's what you meant. P.S., there's a link to the template in the category section for future reference. --Thaddius 18:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move?

message: Concerning >The Order seeked to impregnate a girl with the soul of Samael so she would be imbued with his unlimited power (which by proxy the cultists would control).
There's no evidence for this, the cult never says this, and the game doesn't. The only mention is the supposed "mark" Dahlia mentions to Harry that Alessa supposedly has.   
According to the offcial Sh1 guidebook:
Q:  What is the Mark of Samael?
A:  The truth is that there is no profound significance.
	
Dahlia uses the phrase "the Mark of Samael" while speaking to Harry.  This is a sophism to make 
Harry worry that terrible things are happening that must be stopped at any cost; it's nonsense that 
falls under the category of wordplay.  Dahlia thought she could use Harry to catch Alessa, so she 
used incomprehensible terms with feigned sincerity.
I'm putting this up for the Samael rumours to drop. There's hardly any evidence to support a majority of these claims/theories. Yes it IS a theory.
Xuchilbara 04:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure the fact that Samael shows up in 0rigins helps with your 'this is a rumour' theory. --Thaddius (talk) 11:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He does? I thought the name was simply mentioned in some file? 88.161.129.43 (talk) 19:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  While I must say that I have not played the Maria story in SH2, I have to say that I once thought that the god-being that the Order speaks of was Samael. However, after reading the comments of Xuchilbara, this made me think. It is true that the only time that the name of SamAel is used is in the encounter between Dhalia & Harry. Having played the game, yet again (I haven't played SH:Homecoming yet), I can say that for many years I too was in error. That none on the material that we find in the games, names Samael by name. It only refers to the Being as god. Now after discovering this, I made myself more careful in how I played the game. I think with a game like Silent Hill, and the very nature of the universe that the game exists in, I think that there is a lot of person interpretation that goes on in the game. Each person, like the characters that we play, experiences Silent Hill in a different way. For some, the god-being may just be the entity known as Samael. However for me now, the Entity is not Samael. As for the Article, it must state true and factual things. To say that the Entity IS Samael could be misleading as a fact, because it is only Dhalia who uses the name. The Entities name is never mentioned in any of the orders works that we find, IN GAME, or on any of the other material. Thank you Xuchilbrara for making me take a closer look at my interpretation of the game, and what really happened. IF there is any evidence to support the naming of the Entity behind silent hill would somebody please show TRUE factual GAME related facts to support this. NO ARGUMENT IS INTENDED. I will stand corrected if proof of the naming of the Entity can be supported. :)--Gentlemansubaru (talk) 09:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Samael

message: The picture creates sort of a problem. She isn't exactly the real Alessa, although she might be Alessa's half manfestation of something similar in the movie. Therefore I am changing the intial caption. Xuchilbara 03:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On a similar note, the following sentence is not the whole truth: "In the film Alessa is played by Jodelle Farland." Farland plays three persons in the movie, 1) young Alessa, 2) "demon girl", and 3) Sharon Da Silva (some kind of "aspect" of Alessa which was salvaged/incarnated by the "demon girl" from the adult, hospitalized Alessa. Jodelle Farland plays young Alessa in the "flash back" scenes, whereas the present time Alessa is played by Lorry Ayers. 62.16.174.144 20:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jodelle Ferland as Sharon Da Silva

message: I have now reviewed this article under the six Good article criteria, and have
commented in detail on each criterion below:
1 Well written FAIL
1.1 Prose
Although this is generally good, flows logically and is pleasant to read, there are a few areas that need attention:
*The prose occasionally drifts from past to present tense and back again. For example, from the Appearances > Video games > Silent Hill section: "Her only friend in childhood is Claudia Wolf, who sympathized with her because she also came from an abusive family background." Such plot-summary type text should always be written in the present tense.
*Some sections (notably Characteristics and the Appearances > Video games sections) are written from an exclusively in-universe perspective. They would benefit from a slightly more out-of-universe perspective in their approach (see WP:WAF for further explanation).
*A few sentences need rewording for clarity:
::"Her appearance changes depending on the place within which she resided..." I'm not too sure what this means; Alessa 'resides' in Silent Hill. Is this referring to her mental state or physical location?
::"Had she been living under normal circumstances, her abilities may have almost never manifested themselves..." This is rather awkward phrasing, and comes across as OR (the citation at the end of the sentence looks like it relates to the latter part of the sentence, ie the reason she was branded a witch).
::"...but dropped it in favor of "Alessa" when they decided that it was much too uncommon of a name." much too uncommon of a name is a very US way of expressing the idea; I know the article follows US spelling, but this phrase could do with rewriting in a less idiomatic way.
::"When she was young, the girl enjoyed collecting butterflies and drawing pictures, but she was afraid of insects other than butterflies, and menacing or frightening animals like large dogs, snakes, and worms." This sentence reads slightly awkwardly, but more to the point I don't really see its relevance to the article as it stands. Presumably the implication is that some of the creatures that later inhabit Silent Hill are created from her childish impressions of these animals?
::"The burns suffered in her mother's ritual are reflected in writhing shadows and the twisted movements of Silent Hill's creatures..." Maybe something like "The agony of the burns suffered in her mother's ritual is reflected in writhing shadows and the twisted movements of Silent Hill's creatures..."?
::"halved things" I think I understand what this is getting at, but it might benefit from a more explicit description.
1.2 Manual of Style
The article complies with the MoS in its layout, headings are properly formatted, it is well-wikilinked to add depth, and (although not a GA criteria but a nice extra touch) templates are used where appropriate in citing references.
2 Factual accuracy PASS (but see comments)
The article is generally well-sourced. Editors may wish to supply a reference for the Actor portrayal paragraph, and the Other media sub-section would benefit from further citations, but these issues will not affect this GA assessment as IMO sourcing is currently adequate for GA pass.
3 Coverage PASS
The subject is covered in appropriate depth, and the article remains focused in its coverage.
4 Neutrality PASS
The article is neutral in its tone throughout.
5 Stability PASS
The article history shows no evidence of instability or recent edit-warring.
6 Images PASS
All images used are appropriately captioned, and bear suitable licenses.
As a result of the above concerns I have placed the article on hold. This gives editors up 
to a week to address the issues raised (although in some circumstances the hold period can be 
briefly extended). To help with tracking, editors may like to strike through each comment 
as it is dealt with, or use the template  after each comment.
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or are ready for a 
re-review. In any case I'll check back here in seven days (around 25th August). All the best, EyeSereneTALK 16:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: The hold period has now expired, and despite the good work put in by Lenin and McCarthy, I have reluctantly failed this article because some of the points raised above have not yet been addressed. If you believe that I have applied the fail criteria inappropriately, or have any other concerns about the conduct of this review, you can list Alessa Gillespie on the Good article review page for discussion by other GA reviewers.
Alternatively you may wish to address the remaining issues (namely, those relating to article clarity) and then renominate the article on the Good article candidates page. Please also feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Regards, EyeSereneTALK 13:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA fail

message: This is in regards to the request at the VG Assessment page.  I'm rating this article as B-class, Low-importance.  Usually I would in an assesment go into more detail and give a mini-peer review as to how to fix the problems with the article, but in this case it took so long to get to the article that the GAC reviewer above this has already left a wonderful summary of the problems and proposed solutions.  I would, however, add that generally the use of single-sentence paragraphs is heavily discouraged, as they are considered to be poor writing (and, at least in my opinion, just look bad).  The solution, of course is simple- merge the short paragraphs into the surrounding ones.  Good luck fixing all of the reviewers concerns before the deadline!  --PresN 03:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VG Assessment 

message: She bears quite a resemblence to Alma Wade for the RPG F.E.A.R.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.58.211 (talk) 08:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alma Wade 

message: From Character creation section: "Alessa is the italian version of the name Alexis". Incorrect. The Italian version of Alexis is AlessIa (variants are Alesia and Alessina). You can check here (Alessia - it.Wiki) or here. Alessa is not an Italian name. --125.25.0.147 (talk) 01:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alessa 

message: Gans debunks the devil theory in the commentary, so I edited the article to reflect that. He also explicitly states that Sharon and Alessa/Dark Alessa fused and reunited into one body. Given this direct refuting of the theory and several other statements debunking the theory both from Gans and the actress, I see no point in including the idea at all. AlessaGillespie (talk) 02:14, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Metropolitan Blu-Ray commentary