Talk:Kurmanji

message: Although similar terms, Kurmanji and Northern Kurmanji can refer to two distinct levels of the Kurdish language. Northern Kurmanji more precisely and accurately refers to a distinct dialect spoken and understood by one group of speakers. Kurmanji in contrast is a general term used by linguists to describe a language and several dialects that may or may not have evolved from it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.70.250.61 (talk) 22:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Northern Kurmanji and Kurmanji

message: This article was listed as requiring copy-editing. However, the introduction contains no in-line citations, so I am requesting these beforehand. Bladeofgrass (talk) 23:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy-editing 

message: The author forgot to mention that two districts in Erbil, Iraqi-Kurdistan, are predominately Kurmanji speakers. Mergasur and Soran. It is ironic that the predominate speaker of Soran are Kurmanji speakers as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.19.82 (talk) 01:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two districs of Erbil are Kurmanji speakers  

message: In the first sentence: Variant spellings are not automatically misspellings, especially in another language (English). --Thnidu (talk) 00:24, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate spellings  

message: In Dialects is said: "Southwestern Kurmanji, spoken mainly in the Ağrı (Agirî), Erzurum (Erzerom) and Muş (Mûş) provinces of Turkey, as well as adjacent areas". But those places are in the northern side. Thus, Northern Kurmanji?--158.227.73.176 (talk) 18:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch, yes. I had mixed those up somehow. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 23:45, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southwestern? 

message: Dear users
From a historical and realistic point of view, the term "Northern Kurdish" instead of Kurmanji Kurdish seems strange and by fake. I think Wikipedia space is not an area to manipulate the historically and globally accepted subjects. --Shadegan (talk) 14:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Kurdish!!!, it`s a fake phrase 

message: I hope people here know that the name change from Northern Kurdish to Kurmanji is because some users are trying to disassociate Yezidis from anything Kurdish (thus remove 'Kurdish' from this page'). This is clear Wikipedia:POV and should the page name be changed back 'Northern Kurdish'. We have Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish, so why change it? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Some wrote above "It seems like a fake language called „Northern Kurdish“. This says it all. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change 

message: , can you please answer these questions concerning your POV-edits?
:1 – What part of this academic, well-sourced and balanced version of the article do you disagree with? You seem to have one thing in mind when you edit and that's removing any trace of the argument that Kurmanji is one of the three dialects.
:2 – You sourced phonology section with some rubbish which does not harmonize whatsoever with the well-sourced article Kurdish phonology. Some of the phonemes you want to keep do not exist in any Kurdish dialect or subdialect.
:3 – The source used in the Dialects-section write Serhed Kurdish, which you changed to Serhed. Again, it feels like you have an agenda.
:4 – The earliest textual record of Kurmanji Kurdish dates back to approximately the 16th century and many prominent Kurdish poets like Ahmad Khani (1650-1707) wrote in this dialect as well. Well-sourced sentence you disliked and thus removed. Why?
Please reply soberly without calling me names. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 19:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Destruction of this page 

message: Kurmanji is spoken in some parts of Erbil Governoratehttp://previous.cabinet.gov.krd/p/page.aspx?l=12&s=050000&r=305&p=215
It should be added to the badînî sub dialect section Akam Nawzad (talk) 11:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 11:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurmanji in Erbil 

message: Change the Sinjar distinct in Iraq to the Sinjar district in Iraq, misspelling HornSpiel (talk) 19:28, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Further, I refined the link to be to Sinjar District. —C.Fred (talk) 19:36, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Done --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:17, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Extended-confirmed-protected edit requests

message: From the section Dialect continuum:
"Kurmanji forms a dialect continuum of great variability. Loosely, six subdialect areas can be distinguished:"
The cited source (Öpengin, Ergin; Haig, Geoffrey (2014), "Regional variation in Kurmanji: A preliminary classification of dialects", Kurdish Studies), however says that those are "dialects" of a language:
The cited source say:
From the abstract:
"...This article aims at providing an initial classification of Kurmanji-internal variation into major regional dialects,.."
From the Introduction:
"Like any other natural language, Kurmanji encompasses a considerable spectrum of regional variation. Yet within academia, regional variation in Kurmanji has been almost entirely neglected..."
Nice censorship.... Rojan98 (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: @Rojan98: So what change are you proposing to the article? I'm not sure that removing the dialect section is called for since there is a source cited. —C.Fred (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dialects 

message: Last edits were undone by Semsûrî, claiming that it was unconstructive.
There is nothing such as "anatolian kurmanji" it is simply the same as southwestern and northwestern Kurmanji. The cited source [29] in the undone version by semsûrî lists 5 dialects and not 6 and states nothing about "anatolian kurmanji". And those 5 dialects were revised from 5 to 3 by the same scholars who are among the few academic who have works on kurmanji language. Eventhough I had source for this, it got deleted.
--Rojan98 (talk) 16:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you shouldn't remove sourced information like you did with the list of dialects in the infobox when you edit constructively. --Semsurî (talk) 16:17, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

text: No suggested edit, and there doesn't appear to be a consensus for whatever changes it is you want making anyway. Fish+Karate 11:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unconstructive edits and reverts 

message: I suggest revertinging the phonology section, since it was unconstrutively deleted and copied to "kurdish phonology" article by semsûrî. In the kurdish phonology article, sorani phonology and kurmanji phonology are merged into one single table wihtout source and making more confusion.
--Rojan98 (talk) 16:26, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  The  template is for uncontroversial referenced edits. Fish+Karate 11:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert phonology section 

message: Official recognized minority language is not the same with education language. Some countries should be removed from the infobox. Also KRG should be listed under Iraq. Rojava is not a real/official region, it shouldn't be listed either. Beshogur Azerbaijani constitution:
Article 21. Official language
* Azerbaijanian language is official language of the Azerbaijan Republic.
* Azerbaijan Republic provides development of the Azerbaijanian language.
* Azerbaijan Republic ensures free use and development of other languages spoken by the people.
I made another research, same goes for Georgia. Article 8.
* The state language of Georgia shall be Georgian, and in Abkhazia - also Abkhazian. (Change is added by the Constitutional Law of Georgia of 10 October 2002).
A minority language is not same with educational language. There are lot of examples where are countries teaching with another language but it isn't actually their recognized minority language. (talk) 23:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official language 

message: I've checked the constitution of KRG, it says Kurdish is the official language. But which, Sorani or Kurmanci, or both? Beshogur (talk) 10:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There's some information here and it seems to be both of them.(p. 64) --Semsurî (talk) 11:05, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status in KRG 

message: Add Rojava Kurmanji (Western Kurdish) as it is not present and is the dialect spoken in rojava. Vallee01 (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @Vallee01: Per what source? —C.Fred (talk) 21:49, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Edit. 

message: Hi!
I have a video of a Kurmanji speaker from Wikitongues and I was hoping to post it on the page but I only have just over 100 edits so I cannot. If you think that a video would enrich the page, it's on Wikimedia Commons and the file name is File:WIKITONGUES- Mohamad speaking Kurdish.webm .
Thank you and have a nice day,
Jessica Britt (talk) 05:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please properly disclose your conflict of interest when making such suggestions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:36, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a Video of a Kurmanji speaker 

message: * Can anybody revert to 29 December version? intentional incorrect edits
* Obvious vandal who seeks to remove the phrases Kurdistan and such, just look at the phrase "provinces of Turkish"... really? The person who made the edits is now topic-banned from topics related to Kurds, and Kurmanji is a dialect of Kurdish.
They say that a specific city is not in Kurdistan and they didn't provide any sources for the claims. When they edited that they also changed the meaning of other things in that sentence. According to Kurdish Wikipedia, it is in Kurdistan and the location also makes that apparent. I'm pretty sure they didn't fix anything, only wanted to remove references of Kurdistan.
-- Guherto (talk) 20:22, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Restored lost text. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:50, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: Amed is the largest city with a Kurdish majority in Turkey, but it is not mentioned at all in the text. 91.125.142.96 (talk) 05:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which dialect is spoken in Diyarbakir (Amed)? 

message: Êzdîkî should be split from Kurmanji since Êzdîkî is a recognized minority language in Armenia since May 2001 (Page: 267). It also does not make sense to handle with the term in this page because this page claims that Kurmanji is a Kurdish dialect. This is the opposite of what the term Êzdîkî expresses. According to the definition of Êzdîkî, it is a distinct language. Therefore the term deserves an own page. Contentcu (talk) 22:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: A vernacular can have different names. That doesn't mean that all of its names should have its own Wikipedia pages. --Semsûrî (talk) 22:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not just a different name. It is recognized as a distinct language (separated from Kurdish) in Armenia. Also, Êzdîkî has its own writing system (script). If Êzdîkî should be in the Kurmanji article, than this page should not claimed that Kurmanji is a Kurdish dialect, because not all Kurmanji speakers designate Kurmanji as a Kurdish dialect. This is very confusing. Contentcu (talk) 23:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Linguists hass classified Kurmanji (and thus Ezidiki) as a Kurdish dialect. That is what matters, not what some speakers designate it as. --Semsûrî (talk) 07:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is your point of view. Not all linguists classified Kurmanji as a Kurdish dialect. For this reason Êzdîkî was recognized as a distinct language in Armenia (since May 2001). Contentcu (talk) 08:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't there an WP:RFC (or WP:RM) about this already? (I vaguely remember, uh... something.) Anyway, maybe time for a new one (as a WP:CCC refresher)...? El_C 13:16, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

text: We had this POV fork three years ago. Perhaps that was what you recalled. --Semsûrî (talk) 15:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Êzdîkî 

message: Hivia bbya salak xam o eshanet sala bori zhbira ma bbai 93.91.196.154 (talk) 21:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hivia bbya salak xam o eshanet sala bori zhbira ma bbai 

message: I'm not sure when or why it started not matching the map, but now, basically none of the colors in the color key even appear in the map. This is the correct key, copied from the map's Wikimedia page:
I fully understand the necessity of locking this article; however, I do not have extended access. Would someone who does please correct the key? Mszegedy (talk) 16:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dialect map uses wrong color key 

message: Please make the following addition to the ‘External links’ section of the article:
 Banhbidac (talk) 11:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: , although I did remove the names of the contributors in favor of brevity. Miner Editor (talk) 02:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! Banhbidac (talk) 14:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to recordings of Kurmanji narratives 

message: Hi,
I came to this Wikipedia page because I was curious how many Kurmanji speakers there were, but all I could find in the article was the sentence, “It [Kurmanji] is the most widely spoken form of Kurdish” in the intro.
Could someone add the number of speakers either to the infobox or into the body of the article?  IMHO this seems to be a pretty basic piece of information that should be mentioned in an article about a language.
’preciate it  —Arrandale Westmere (talk) 08:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of speakers

message: "Ethnologue reports that the use of Kurmanji is declining in Turkey even when the language is used as a language of wider communication (LWC) by immigrants to Turkey, and that the language is threatened because it's speaker population is decreasing"
"it's" should be replaced with "its", or the sentence re-worded. I don't think LWC acronym is needed but this can stay if others disagree. 194.33.196.47 (talk) 11:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: M.Bitton (talk) 11:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 December 2023 

message: Its a kurdish dialect and the section where you say dialects are actully accents and its not called sorani alphabet its called badini alphabet its also used in syria and also used in hakkari province and shirnax province this is according to kurditstan regional goverment eduction system Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 15:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading information