Talk:Low Saxon

message: There is the major problem that Plattdüütsch is not only the name for the northern german slang but for some eastern german and ancient polish slangs as well. Anyone a good hint on how to resolve that other than by having three distinct WikiPedia articles for each of those three terms in all WP versions?
-- Alexander.stohr 05:09, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plattdüütsch => Low Saxon and East Low German 

message: By which I mean, the fact that Low German was a group of dialects does not mean that it was not a language, a similar case to that of modern day Norwegian. Robert Greer (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  By which I mean ... 

message: As far as I know, 'Oldenburgisch' (this is the High German name for it, as I do neither know a Plattdüütsch nor an English one) is a dialect of Northern (Standard) Low Saxon just like Bremisch or Hamburgisch. Can anyone here confirm that? I must confess, I am from Butjadingen, which is in exactly that region, and still do not know that. (My parents did not teach me the language when I was a child. Today I'm sorry for that, earlier I did not care :-(.) Besserwissi 17:34, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  oldenburgisch 

message: See Talk:Low Germanic languages#Requested moves. ― j. 'mach' wust | ⚖ 15:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Should this really link hence and not rather to Westneddersassisch ?
Sarcelles (talk) 15:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: West Low Saxon 

message: I have lived in various regions of Niedersachsen for over 20 years and have yet to meet a single person who can speak Niedersächsisch. From what source is the number taken? Isomorphismus (talk) 00:24, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You've met them; they've just always spoken High German to you. One of the phenomena that happen for non-prestigious minority languages across the board is that their usage is increasingly severely restricted to specific domains. This includes increasing restriction to private domestic verbal communication in small rural communities. If you're not part of a small cluster of Saxon speakers in such a setting (typically older persons who've known each other all their life), Saxon speakers will almost always speak the national language to you, because they themselves have been steeped all their life in the notion that their language is inferior and vulgar, and should not be shared or passed on, let alone taught. That said, you probably don't spend much time in the countryside. Ni'jluuseger (talk) 13:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  10,000,000 speakers? ?? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: West Low German →  – much more popular in the sources, see ngram. Heanor (talk) 16:38, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

text: It's one of these things that go by many names. I'd agree with a change to Low Saxon, for the stated reasons, but I'm also content with the current situation where Low Saxon redirects to West Low German, and the alternative name is given right in the intro. LandLing 21:10, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

text: Support per nom. This is also the primary name given on German Wikipedia. Bermicourt (talk) 08:45, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 26 January 2022 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus that the current title is the WP:COMMONNAME. (closed by non-admin page mover)  ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:32, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Low Saxon → .
# "ngram" above is no argument, as ngrams is misleading:
## "Low Saxon" also occurs in terms like "Northern Low Saxon" or "North Low Saxon", and ngrams can't distinguish that.
## Low Saxon is an ambiguous term, at least meaning: (a) the complete Low German language and (b) West Low German (including e.g. Westphalian and Northern Low Saxon). ngrams can't distinguish that too.
##: (In English, meaning (a) probably is more common than (b).)
# Low Saxon is an ambigious term, see above. West Low German is less ambigious.
# With "West Low German" and "East Low German" there is a conceptual pair, and an easy distinction (regionally, west vs. east). With "Low Saxon" this is lost.
# "Low Saxon" can be associated with Lower Saxony (the Bundesland Niedersachsen), but West Low German is also spoken in Bremen, Schleswig-Holstein, Westphalia. So the term can cause wrong associations, and be impolite towards West Low German speakers who aren't from Lower Saxony. 2003:DE:3702:B26D:F9DF:183D:B1D5:2BEF (talk) 09:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: More ngrams:  and . I believe this shows that point 1.1 is moot. :3 F4U (they/it) 04:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Netherlands has been notified of this discussion. SilverLocust 💬 23:46, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Languages has been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 1 July 2023