Talk:United Baltic Duchy

message: No source published gives a name like "United Baltic Duchy" to this attempt to establish such a state. The article needs some attention.--Termer 00:58, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This book makes a reference . I have a copy of this boeok at home, so I will try to clean uo the article a bit tonight. Martintg 02:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree that it was never recognised as a real country, I don't think even the Kaiser recognised it at the time, it was just an action of some Baltic Germans to keep their top status. So I agree article needs a bit of rework. I found one other reference for "United Baltic Duchy" here , so probably the name is okay. Martintg 20:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The recognition document is well known in Estonia. Is this not published in memoirs by Eduard von Dellingshausen? Civis (talk) 11:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: This article is in the scope of WikiProject Former Countries. The project deals with all types of former political entities from empires and established former countries to proposed states and provisional governments. The infobox is part of the project and does not confer any status to the article, it is there to present information about the political entity. Any information which is not correct should be removed from the infobox, but removing the infobox based on personal opinion is not the way to go. -- Domino theory (talk) 10:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right, the United Baltic Duchy was no state at all, there was no capital, no borders, no flag, no parliament, no courts, no civil servants - it was just a proposal which failed. That's why the Infobox Former Country makes no sense in this article, because is suggests there have been some kind of state. I will remove it again. --Otberg (talk) 18:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Former Countries 

message: During the World War I the German State helped to create or created on the former territory of Russia next client, puppet, or satellite, but nominally independent states: 
*United Baltic Duchy
*Baltic State
*Belarusian National Republic
*Duchy of Courland and Semigallia (1918)
*Kingdom of Finland (1918)
*Kingdom of Lithuania (1918)
*Kingdom of Poland (1916–1918)
*Ukrainian State
Merry Christmas!
--Kidsunited (talk) 00:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The major problem with the infobox currently is that Courland was occupied in 1915, Estonia and Livonia in 1918. But the infobox only allows to have one year listed. Therefore it's currently 1915 even though it might be misleading. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks!--Termer (talk) 07:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, military occupation for Estonia, that existed only one day before the occupation, and only on the paper, and the occupants didn't know the state exists. But for the United Baltic Duchy it wasn't an occupation, but a help (or intervention) by a friendly ally (Germany).--62.65.217.97 (talk) 14:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I played with the infobox, it's too clever for its own good (reusing information multiple time). It looks like all that is possible (that is reliable) is to put in the widest date range (earliest occupied, last unoccupied) and then deal with sequences of events in the article lead. —PētersV (talk) 05:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

text: There's probably sufficient difference in circumstances to split to separate articles. Any thoughts on where to pull this all together? —PētersV (talk) 20:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The other client states 

message: It seems more common name for this article might be the Grand Duchy of Livonia. It's been atemted twice in history to create such a state. First after Livonian War and secnd time during and right after WWI.
I'm taking those over here until someone can get it veryified according to WP:RS.--Termer (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK it seems that User:Bloomfield has become active again. The best perhaps would be to get rid of the infobox all together since the imagined state never had any authority or territorial control therefore we can't talk about a former country. The only authority there was Ober Ost that ruled the territories during the German occupation. And the citation needed tags have been up there long enough so it's time to get rid of those sections as well. The maps are nice though, just that none of them refer to the United Duchy. The UK had recognized the republic of Estonia de facto on May 3 1918 that was followed by the recognition of France on May 13 and Italy on May 29. See Encyclopaedia Britannica. Therefore if anything, the maps refer to undefined borders of Estonia and Latvia.--Termer (talk) 00:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is correct; the maps do not refer to this state that never existed in real. There is the same problem in the german article. --Otberg (talk) 09:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't be a surprise because once it's about User:Bloomfield we're dealing with a master-creator of hoax states see,  
Principality of Estland/Fürstenthüm Ehstland--Termer (talk) 15:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

text: It's really a shame to delete all the creativity put into these articles. Perhaps "List of Wikipedia hoax states" and we consolidate them all (edit-protected)? Then again I could always give them a home elsewhere on the Internet as Baltic historical humor. :-) Freely licensed, after all! -PētersV (talk) 02:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  But not such a shame for hoax to be reinserted! PetersV       TALK 06:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Grand Duchy of Livonia

message: I have seen an 'unofficial' coat of arms with the lions of Estonia and the Latvian sun up top popping up on the Wikipedia page. Are there any sources for that? Looks like total phantasy to me and should be removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.93.107.61 (talk) 09:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms 

message: someone merged the Baltic State page with this page but while they had similar names and were both duchies defacto under german control from different sources it says that the duchy of Courland and Semigallia was merged with the Baltic State (Baltischer Staat) into the united baltic duchy before november when the german withdrew so why erase the pages they are not the same polity. also there was a Czech version of the page which distinguished the two polities [] AvailableViking (talk) 03:12, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  baltic state