Talk:Dock Ellis

message: The way the article is written makes it appear that Ellis beaned Jackson during the 1971 All-Star game.  I reverted User:Mojo Len's edit because it was unsourced and the tone was wrong for an encyclopedia.  A little researching turned up an anecdotal post about the beaning occurring in 1976 because of the '71 home run, but I can't find anything that qualifies as a source that meets Wikipedia standards.  Anyone else have more/better info?  CarbonX (talk) 05:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Ellis' best season came in 1971 when he won 19 games for the world champion Pirates. He was the NL starting pitcher in the All-Star Game that year and gave up a famous homer to Reggie Jackson off the Tiger Stadium light tower. Five years later Ellis, pitching for the Yankees, beaned Baltimore's Jackson in the face in apparent retaliation for the All-Star Game home run." -- from Dock's obit at http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2008/12/20/2008-12-20_from_nohitter_on_lsd_to_hair_curlers_to_.html --CliffC (talk) 01:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't realize this question was over a year old, have added the cite.  --CliffC (talk) 01:59, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Beaning Reggie Jackson

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message: Despite Elequate's unsubstantiated claims that "dozens" of journalists believe they LSD claim, the statement in the lead reflects journalists who were at the game and were well familiar with the workings of the team.  Those views are considerably stronger then any presented so far, so they are certainly not "undue".  As Ellis is widely known for this claim, it must be tempered by the highly reliable sources who cast doubt on this claim.Two kinds of pork (talk) 18:12, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There are certainly a full barrel of stories like this (where the claim is taken at face value without insistence it couldn't have happened) to support my claim that many reporters conditionally believe it could have happened. Snopes suggests we should generally believe it, as well as your own big source, Deadspin. If someone self-reports drunk driving, where they make it home safe without an incident, we don't usually give tonnes of weight to those who say they didn't notice any bad driving. But if you want the article to be more like Deadspin, go ahead, although you still might want to re-write some of your bit before I do, as it seems a little heavy-handed in trying to show that people who believe him couldn't possibly know, and people who didn't believe him "would surely" have noticed. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We aren't in a position to say a reporter would have had to notice something. Again, if someone who's theoretically done drugs didn't raise much suspicion, it shouldn't be presented as known proof that no drugs were taken. I'd also remove the part starting "despite" as that's turning something that was a speculation in the article into a non-questioned factor in our article. It's also pretty unintentionally funny that you assert that Bill Christine was intimately familiar with Danny Murtaugh. There might be a BLP issue in there somewhere.__ E L A Q U E A T E 01:38, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone is dense enough to think there is sexual innuendo, by all means fix it. Two kinds of pork (talk) 01:52, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, let's improve the article together.__ E L A Q U E A T E 11:44, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

text: That's odd.  I saw this a week ago.  .  One of them has to be wrong, or maybe this was a "remote" interview?Two kinds of pork (talk) 16:44, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I saw that too. The quote is in Feeney's later newspaper article, but it doesn't say Feeney specifically "asked" a question on-site. I think it was an introduced paraphrase error on Garland's part, after reading the news article.__ E L A Q U E A T E 16:51, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, he must have been referring to his colleagues about hearing something. Thanks for the correction. Two kinds of pork (talk) 23:53, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead and no hitter 

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