Talk:Human Terrain System

message: After more or less rewriting this page a couple days ago,
I came across another page Human Terrain Team which
is about the exact same thing.   That page should be deleted
and made to redirect here (I am not a Wikipedian and don't understand
how to do that sort of thing).   I have taken the content from that
other page and merged it here, making some corrections along the way
Hope I didn't mess up the references.
:It should be plainly delineated that HTT does not encompass MAP-HT, intelligence analysis thereof, or other frameworks not overt within HTS. Therefore I am opposed to a full merge/deletion, and furthermore think  the fuller level of detail is unnecessary here, but rather expansion of the other topics with HTS as the parent article. If you'd like to expand those topics, that'd be great. But they are not synonymous, and therefore a full merge/deletion would obfuscate the distinction. Also, please sign your posts with 4 tildes. Thanks. ClaudeReigns (talk) 12:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand what you mean.  The term "HTT" (Human Terrain Team) is part of "HTS" - it is the designation of the field teams in the HTS (Human Terrain System) program (and refers to nothing else).   The term "MAP-HT" refers to a software package provided to HTS (that is, the HTTs and the RRC) that is composed of some of the computer software listed (such as ANTHROPAC and Terra Explorer) and some integration ("glue") software written by MITRE.  Neither "HTS" nor "HTT" refer to computer software.  I do not understand your phrase "HTT does not encompass MAP-HT" because I do not understand how a team of people might "encompass" a computer software program.  (And sorry I'm not signing this, but I don't know how to do that or what the tildes are about.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.197.230.231 (talk) 03:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's correct, the HTT's are the field teams for the HTS project.  The Human Terrain Team page should not be deleted but instead be re-written to reflect the level of detail encompassing the details of the team.. configurations, responsibilities, capabilities, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.100.141.140 (talk) 05:05, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

text: The human terrain team article and human terrain system articles should not be merged.  Rather, this one should be made into the parent article.  This article should include information about terrain teams and link to the full article.  The duplicate information should be deleted from which ever article is more appropriate. Lmh0509 (talk) 21:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

text: On a purely textual basis, right now there is a lot of redundant information on Human Terrain Team and Human terrain system ... the latter half of both articles are almost the same in the information they provide. Harvey the rabbit (talk) 20:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: March 2008 comments

message: Please, editors and potential editors, the Human Terrain System page has gone through a lot of disruptive editing. Specifically, non-Neutral Point of View has taken over.
Rise up and become good Wikipedians.  Read the guidelines and then follow them.
To much of the HTS page has become NNPOV'd and to little of the page has reliable, verifiable information.  Sadly, the damage done is to Wikipedia, not to HTS.
Thank you all so very much.--Srich32977 (talk) 06:56, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: "HTS does not manage infrastructure projects, nor does it conduct military intelligence operations or kinetic targeting"
It has always been a fact, and remains a fact that HTS does not perform, and has not performed, perform intelligence operations, most especially those associated with support of kinetic operations. This is what made it different in its scope and mission than any other program before it, and since. The repeated references to its funding source in the MIP has been explained countless times, so once more cannot possibly hurt. In 2006 when it was conceived and stood up there existed no sustained source of funding for new and innovative, breakthrough programs. The JIEDDO funding it initally received only sustained it through proof of concept. Beyond that funding within the structure of the Defense Authorization Bill had to be found. The leadership in DUSD(I) and Army G2, against much criticism within their ranks of HTS as something that DIA and the service intelligence elements "were already doing", sided with the overwhelming response from the operational units who stated they had no capability to understand and deal with the underpinnings of the insurgency within the population (i.e. curing the "disease" of the insurgency).  The units were fighting IEDs and insurgents a year at a time within the unit rotations (i.e. treating the "symptoms" of the insurgency)and accomplishing no lasting headway. The MIP funding had nothing, and still has nothing to do with what HTS was created to accomplish.  There was no attempt to deceive, hide, mask or conceal any true intelligence function. No other funding source within the DAB could address the requirement of the CENTCOM JUONS of 2007. All of this is part of the public, and some thorough and objective research will bear this out. Anyone with any experience with goverment budget processes is intimately familiar with how many programs have funding sources that have little or nothing to do with the program's mission and purpose. (User: LoneWolf 4/5/2012)
Safondo554 (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Enigma, did you read my rewording attempting to clarify this? It is not the US Army's Military Intelligence branch, but it is a military programme gathering information which will be fused into overall intelligence efforts. Buckshot06 (talk) 06:28, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intelligence gathering 

message: Can someone please update this entry? It does not even reflect the changes listed on the new hts.mil website. It is no longer proof of concept, program managers have been fired, anthropology is minimized and many other changes are underway. GEOHTA is in...Big conference on this in the UK in January 2011. If anyone is citing this current HTS entry as a source, they are in trouble. Italic text  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weilsimone (talk • contribs) 14:32, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not much has been said regarding merger of HTT into this article.  The two articles mirror each other in many respects.  As HTS has had some personnel changes lately, it caught my renewed attention.  So, in the absence of further comment I'll be merging the articles in the near future. --S. Rich (talk) 12:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Working on merger.--S. Rich (talk) 00:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Merger done. Moving on to copy edits, especially after the recent updates.--S. Rich (talk) 06:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: Hello. Now, it's 2012.  Allow me to introduce myself: I'm Dave, I'm job hunting, and I just saw this job posting: http://jobs.thingamajob.com/jobs/Nebraska/Social-Scientist---Human-Terrain/2500345 ...I didn't know what HTS is, so I looked Googled it.  The first hit I noticed was http://www.army.mil/professionalWriting/volumes/volume4/december_2006/12_06_2.html ... which describes HTS as a "CORDS for the 21st century" Anyway... This wikipedia article makes it sound like HTS is a dead project...  But they are hiring.  Trust me, I just looked at the job post.  This is EXACTLY why we need this thing to be ACCURATE.  What if I'd unknowingly got myself into a job that really wasn't for me, based on this article?  Anyway, all of this is why I added the POV-check.  Also, since they are hiring, doesn't that make this a current event instead of "military history"? Cheers, --24.252.49.21 (talk) 15:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: March 5, 2012

message: Hi there, 
I've had a first stab at addressing the neutrality issue raised by 24.252.49.21 in March 2012 (see post at the top of this page), mainly by amending the sentence that was causing confusion (about the HASC suspending funding when in fact it temporarily limited funding) and also by adding in a bit more up-to-date information about the AAA's opposition to HTS. Any thoughts? Loriski (talk) 00:23, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  First stab at addressing neutrality issue 

message: When you mention the image you removed, are you referring to :File:Human terrain teams.jpg? That image is tagged as a public domain image. If the tag is correct, then we can discuss whether or not it is appropriate for the article, but you cannot simply remove it. The first test is whether the image is correctly licensed. If not it goes, no matter what. If correctly licensed, the next test is whether editors reach a consensus that the image adds to the article. I recall a situation where an individual in an image requested that the image be removed, and the request was granted, but the discussion are made on a case by case basis.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 00:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Image actually came from the Ft. Leavenworth Lamp, a copyrighted publication -- not a US Gov publication. Speedy deletion has been requested & the image is now deleted from the article.--S. Rich (talk) 01:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Speedy deletion was declined, so I've restored the image.  The (other) rationale for not including it -- privacy -- is not a valid one as it was published (apparently) in a newspaper distributed in the military and civilian community. --S. Rich (talk) 03:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image inclusion 

message: Back when I was new WP editor my first, rather clumsy editing efforts were on this article. At the time I worked for a defense contractor which was training and supplying people to HTS for eventual hiring as USG civilians. While I completed the HTS training, I did not hire on with the USG. As this article has popped up again on my watch list, I have done some more editing and added the connected contributor template above for myself, King, and Peters (both of whom I never met). – S. Rich (talk) 18:05, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Connected contributors banner

message: I've added a cited statement in the lede that HTS was terminated in September 2014. However, I'm not sure how to go about changing all the appropriate verb tenses in the article - "is" to "was", "has" to "had", etc.  Is there an easy way to do that, or should I just start a copyediting slog through the whole piece?  jxm (talk) 16:05, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Termination and tense-changing 

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