Talk:Muggle

message: I am reliably informed by someone who has actually read the books that the term "mudblood" can be applied to one whose parents are both muggles (e.g. Hermione Granger), and not just one who is of "mixed" parentage. Can someone who has read the books confirm this and correct the article? Thanks. -- Oliver Pereira 15:41 Nov 15, 2002 (UTC)
I've only ever seen Muggle-borns having been insaulted with that term. Keyblade Mage 05:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mudblood

message: Pooto remember Harry Potter ever having been translated to Klingon. What's the entry for Klingon doing in the article then?  — JIP | Talk 10:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Klingon?

message: I saw an episode of the American tv show "Bewitched" and Samantha's mother Endora refers to some one as a "muggle".  This was way before Harry Potter.  
:Please, if you remember, include a description of the episode so that someone with the DVDs can find the reference and add it to this article. Val42 04:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bewitched

message: In the article you say that muggles can't see ghosts. All the students at Hogwarts can see the ghosts. Hermione talks to them. Muggles can't see Dementors.20.132.64.140 01:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muggles and ghosts 

message: Somebody edited out the term "human" in this article and replaced it with "untermensch," a Nazi racial term referring to "sub-humans."  I think it's clear that in her books, J.K. Rowling is trying to get her readers to understand and identify with victims of racism, since, by definition, anybody reading the book is a "muggle."  
Nonetheless, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; it is not a forum for debate.  See WP:NOT.  Replacing the term "human" with "untermensch" turns a factually-based article into a commentary on the term "muggle" itself, which is not appropriate.--Mcattell 15:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untermensch

message: I don't have a Harry Potter book handy so I can't check myself. Should Muggle really be capitalized when it isn't the first word in a sentence? I see how it could be, but I also see how it could not, so can someone please check? We should probably do whatever Rowling does, in this and other HP-related articles. Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • &site=  count) 19:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization? 

message: Hmm. I thought it was from mug-magic, le-less = short for  magicless (people). User:Bojan  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.111.197.54 (talk) 12:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal opinion

message: I tend to disagree with the recent incorporation of material from the disambiguation into this page. I think the link to the disambiguation at the top was a preferable solution. I think details of the usage of the term outside of Harry Potter is tangential to this article, while I don't see why someone looking to find out what Louis Armstrong was talking about needs to read through several screens of Harry Potter material before finding out Armstrong wasn't talking about anything to do with Harry Potter at all. Other thoughts? -- Infrogmation 13:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My attention was directed to this issue by a comment made by Beardo on the Talk:Muggle (disambiguation) page.  I agree that this is the type of thing that a disambiguation page is normally for.  However, these prior and subsequent usages of "muggle" provides context to the usage in the Harry Potter novels.  This shows that the term wasn't originated by J.K. Rowling, though I personally think that she developed it independently.  Most of the subsequent usages are derived from the Harry Potter context.  Splitting this context from the usage in Harry Potter serves to diminish the relevance of both parts.  The disambiguation page then becomes redundant.  That is why I changed Muggle (disambiguation) to a redirect. — Val42 20:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If this article is going to cover all meanings of "Muggle" and "Muggles" rather than being Harry Potter specific, it certainly needs to be rewritten, as it starts out making the statement that it is a Harry Potter related term. Also, there are a few paragraphs discussing the Harry Potter universe use-- IMO enough for a seperate article-- rather than just a sentence or two as would more usually be found in a disambiguation. -- Infrogmation 21:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You've made your case.  I've made my case.  Let's see what others think. — Val42 03:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation

message: Who can tell me where this word come from? And as the article imply, the word Muggle was used prior to the Harry Potter series, then where?  Dreamback1116 (talk) 03:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: mugglewumps is used in Scotland (where Rowling is from) to refer to an idiot. It is not hard to see where Rowling may have got the word muggle to refer to someone lacking talents the main characters have. My Dad has used this word since his childhood in the 50s but I unfortunately do not have written evidence for this. THough it can be noted that Rhold Dhal used muggle wump(s) as a monkey character (and his family) in several of his books - these obviousuly predate the Rowling books and as they are also childrens books it is likely she would have read them.
According to Merriam-Webster on british English mug may mean a gullible, foolish person. The `-le` is a noun-forming ending. Also their website had published thoughts on possible muggle etymology
Rowling wasn't the first to coin the word muggle. There is an earlier muggle that is no longer used: it was a synonym of sweetheart.
Oh the parting of vs twaine
Hath causde me mickle paine, and I shall nere be married
Vntill I see my muggle againe.
—Thomas Middleton, Your Fiue Gallants As It Hath Beene Often In Action At The Black-Friers, 1608
We're not quite sure of where this muggle originated, because it was fairly informal—one 1622 treatise on domestic duties warns husbands against calling their wives by "names more befitting beasts then wiues, as Cole, Browne, Muggle, &c."—and it not particularly long-lived. It had passed out of use by the 1700s.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.186.250 (talk) 18:35, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  the etymological definition? 

message: I come with this proposal to merge this article into Harry Potter universe as because this one is really short: it lacks of deep, encyclopedic analysis, of a large amount of reliable sources, and has lots of information from the Blood Purity section (i.e. an explanation of what is a half-blood or a muggle-born). All information concerning Muggles in HP can be merged into a section in the HP universe article, and the later usages can be moved to the disambiguation page. Thoughts? --LøЯd ۞pεth 00:56, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm mildly opposed to this merge, as this is, IMHO, one of those examples where a term from a work of fiction has entered the common lexicon (along the lines of d'oh!, though obviously not to that extent). faithless (speak) 03:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: The second sentence: If you are reading this page, then you are probably a muggle, and for that, I am very sorry for your misfortune.
Too lazy to fix it or dig through the guidelines right now, but isn't addressing the reader like this against the guidelines?
--Ben Atkin (talk) 01:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addressing the reader 

message: Where does it state that Barack Obama is a Muggle? What has it got to do with Harry Potter anyway?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.4.49.101 (talk) 15:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obama? 

message: I know I've seen the word muggle at least once as a street name on an old map showing the location of the Globe Theater as it was in 1599, but I can't remember the source of the map.  The first time I saw it I was in college, the second time I was watching a documentary on Shakespeare.  76.16.169.224 (talk) 02:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Shakespeare & old London 

message: According to the author, Terry Teachout in "Pops," a biography about Louis Armstrong, (p. 121) "the word muggles was one of the many synonyms for marijuana used by jazz musicians in the twenties."
In 1931, a song recorded by Armstrong of the same name, marijuana (muggles) was not illegal then.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.102.152.243 (talk) 18:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This may be true, but it is not relevant to this article, which is about J. K. Rowling's kind of muggle. Maproom (talk) 21:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of Muggles 

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message: :Category:Harry Potter characters. I think that appropriate on the grounds that in HP, “Muggle” refers to a specific class of character. Okay?--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 01:54, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  I added