Talk:Etymology of chemistry

message: Maybe, there is another possibility for the source of the word, 'alchemy'. Munda-Dravidian (mleccha):
Austro-asiatic (Munda etyma): Sa. jEGgEd `red'. Mu. jEGgEd `red'. KW jEGgEd |So. jE'E `red'. @(M079)
Ta. ce-, cem-, cevv-, ceyya, cētakam, cēttu red; cekkam, cekkar, cekkal, cekil, cemmai, cey, cevvu, cevval, cevēr-eṉal, cē, cēkkai, cēku, cēkai, cēntu, cēppu, cēy, civv- eṉal, civappu, civēr-eṉal redness; ceccai id., Ixora coccinea (with scarlet blossoms); ceppal red colour (as of dawn); ceyyavaṉ, ceyyaṉ, ceyyāṉ, ceyyōṉ, cēyaṉ, cēyāṉ, civappaṉ person of red or brown complexion; ceval, cevalai, civalai ruddy person or animal; cival Indian partridge; cē (-pp-, -nt-) to redden, get angry; cēkil tawny-coloured bull; cēt-ā tawny-coloured cow; cēyttu, cēytu that which is red; civa (-pp-, -nt-) to redden, blush, become angry; cekka-cciva (-v-, -nt-), cekkañ-ceku to be deep red; cekka-ccivēr- eṉal, cekka-ccevēr-eṉal deep redness; cen-nāy brown-coloured dog, Canis dukhunensis; kempu ruby (< Ka.). Ma. ce-, cem-, cēya red; cemma, cevva, cona, covva redness; cekkal dawn; cekki-ppū, cetti-ppū, cecci-ppū I. coccinea; ceṅṅuka, cempikka, conekka, cuvakka to be red; (Tiyya) cemappu redness; cemakkuva to redden; cuvappu, cōppu red; red colour; ruby; cecca a kind of ruby; cen- nāyi wolf or rather C. primaevus; kempu ruby (< Ka.). Ko. ken, kt red; kep red, red- ness; kep v, ken v red cow; ke ny wild dog; keky red clay; keb gal flint; k kaṭy clinkers (i.e. red lumps) from smithy fireplace; kepn n.pr. red bullock or male dog; fem. kepy; kempn n.pr. man; kempy n.pr. woman. To. k&odotdot;- red (e.g. k&odotdot; moṇ red soil; k&odotdot;ms̱ n.pr. reddish buffalo); ke ny wild dog. Ka. ke-, keṃ- red; keṅka, keṅgal, keccane, keccu, keñcage, keñcane, kendu, kebbe, kempu, kēsu, kisu redness; kekkarisu, keṅgalisu to become red; keñca a red man; fem. keñci; kembāra, kembāre redness of evening; kēpala, kevala, kisgāra I. coccinea ; (a few cpds. with ce and ca- are to be taken as < Ta. or Te.). Koḍ. c- (cp-, cnd-) to become red; cndë red; cpï red, redness; ? cmë bullock (in song) (all the preceding < Ma.); kem- red (in a few cpds.: ken-deŋge brown coconut; (in song) coconut; ken-ny wild dog; keñ-jeri red squirrel; kem-buttï red anthill (in song); keñ-jpï a dull red). Tu. kem-, keñca, keñci red; kempu redness; ruby; kēpuḷa, kēpula, kēpaḷè I. coccinea; genda reddish; gende a reddish-coloured ox; fem. gendi; canna red; canna-nāyi wolf. Te. ceṃ- red (in a few cpds.); ceṅgāvi reddish colour; reddish (kāvi id.); ke-, kem- red (in a few cpds.); kempu red; redness; a ruby. Pa. key dark red, reddish brown. Kur. x&etildemacr;so red; blood; x&etildemacr;s blood; anger. Malt. qéso red; qéslo reddish; qésu blood; qésoláre to redden (as the eyes, face, or fruit when ripening). Br. xīsun red; gold. [The wild dog or red dog (which is neither dog nor wolf) is classified by R.I. Pocock, Fauna of British India, Mammalia , 2nd ed., vol. ii (1941), in the genus Cuon , which consists of one species only, C. alpinus , with a number of races, including C. a. dukhunensis , Sykes (habitat the Deccan) and C. a. primaevus Hodgs. (habitat Kumaun to Bhutan). One race, C. a. infuscus (habitat Tenasserim), was formerly C. rutilans Blanford, but C. rutilans has been used also for C. a. dukhunensis. ] (DEDR 1931).
Let's try to be nice to each other, and work togeter to build this ariticle using all of the sources we have collected. --Sadi Carnot 13:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My congratulations, I did already wonder why there was a big etymology discussion on the chemistry talk page including references but nothing on the page itself. The logical step would be to start a general etymology page using the collected material and you did just that. Again my congratulations. I recommend that the article is lenient with respect to different theories provided that references are given.  Some time ago I contributed to the chem article after reading an interesting book on the subject (see:   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chem&oldid=13826312} but my edit was ruthlessly reverted by "the professionals" on this topic. So I am thinking to myself I will try again on this page but I will leave it up to you if you include it. Bottom line is: A theory offered by a credible source even when wrong should be represented in the article with a nice explanation why it is wrong. I do not believe in sensorship V8rik 19:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank-you.  By all means contribute.  Hopefully, between you, User:Codex Sinaiticus, myself and other, we can build a good article here. Talk later: --Sadi Carnot 15:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New article ideas

message: The paragraph on Partington is a bit confused since it starts talking about his full four volume work, but then at the end references his earlier "Short History of Chemistry". Do you have the exact reference? I have the full four volumes and might be able to help out. I do not have the shorter Dover edition. --Bduke 08:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Partington

message: Egyptian word kēme (chem), that means earth is very similar to Proto-Indo-European word *ghðem- that too means earth. And here are proofs that PIE=Adamic:  Wikinger 19:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egyptian kēme (chem) and PIE *ghðem- 

message: I hung some tags on this. The article is written as if they do not know the meaning of the word "etymology". please help. J8079s (talk) 02:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  overtagged 

message: Some of the info from here could be incorporated by myself or somebody at their leisure.AerobicFox (talk) 03:25, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm just going to put this here... 

message: I don't have access to either the OED or the Anawati book.  Could someone please paraphrase the reasons for their claim about the derivation from coptic? --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 21:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Justification for the derivation from coptic 

message: The article should clearly separate "facts" from "theories".  A "fact" would be an early use of a sufficiently similar word, in a document of the right epoch, for something that is reasonably similar to alchemy.Thus, for example, the Arabic terms can be considered "facts"; whereas the supposedly earlier Greek and Egyptian roots seem to be just theories (basically, "folk etymology", but offered by scholars). Unless there is an extant Greek document, older than the Caliphate texts, that is about alchemy and calls the art by one of those alleged names.Is there one? Zosimos of Panopolis apparently called his art cheirokmeta...--Jorge Stolfi (talk) 21:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should clearly separate attested uses from guesses 

message: A user at  left a comment in this diff, attached to the sentence ":Chemistry, from the Greek word  (khēmeia) meaning "cast together" or "pour together", is the science of matter at the atomic to molecular scale, dealing primarily with  collections of atoms, such as molecules, crystals, and metals." The comment was:
 I am posting it here not to endorse the message (I haven't evaluated its content at all) but simply to replace it in the right location; I removed it from the page as it is clearly fodder for WP:TALK, since it is an invitation to discuss sourcing. - Astrophobe (talk) 16:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment from overview section