Template talk:WikiProject banner shell/Archive 4a

message: I think 3 or more. 2 direct on the page seems ok to me. However, I see people using these shells when there are only 2 WikiProjects tags on the page. Just wondered what others think. --kingboyk (talk) 17:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many templates is multiple? 

message: There is a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines#Article_talk_page_banners for the guideline to include some aspects of banner placing and sequencing. All comments welcome. Johnbod (talk) 15:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policy proposal 

message: : Please establish a consensus for this fairly noticeable change. Happy‑melon 14:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I consent to the change =P Anyone else? Equazcion •✗/C • 14:19, 25 Mar 2008 (UTC)

text: Since there doesn't seem to be much involvement on this talk page, can we make this edit and wait for someone to complain about it, ala BRD? Thanks. Equazcion •✗/C • 11:37, 12 Apr 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I declined the request last time partly because I didn't like the idea, so my opposition makes it 1-1 :D. I find the use of small text useful to differentiate the important from the less important.  Also, the template will still wrap to two lines on narrow screens or browsers with larger text.  Obviously if there is more support for the change I will make it regardless. Happy‑melon 14:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We can still use small text without breaking to a new line. Would you mind keeping the editprotected template transcluded here, to attract more attention? Generally those aren't deactivated until the decision has been arrived at. Equazcion •✗/C • 14:21, 12 Apr 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, the  instructions specifically indicate that the banner should not even be placed until consensus has been arrived at.  I'd know... I wrote them :D.   is like the CSD templates - it should only be active for long enough to attract the attention of an admin through the appropriate maintenance category (CAT:EP or CAT:CSD, respectively), who can take immediate action: either performing the edit and disabling the template, or just disabling the template and indicating .  Otherwise CAT:EP would get hopelessly clogged up with edit requests that are still 'under discussion'. However, I do agree that it's often difficult to find support for changes on out-of-the-way pages, so I suggest that you place a few notes on appropriate talk pages: I've left a comment here, for example. Happy‑melon 08:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

text: let's do this. The whole point of wpb is to conserve space on banners that nobody pays attention to anyway. This edit loses a lot of dead air which contributes to that problem. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Reactivating editprotected. If nobody's opposed to this, we've got silent consensus. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slimmer 

message: There is no way to fully expand this banner. There should be a 'show all' option. Richard001 (talk) 06:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's called  :D Happy‑melon 21:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hide/show

message: 
Someone fancy expanding this by another five or so? We've just hit eleven nested projects on talk:Abraham Lincoln. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are that many projects, clearly something is wrong. 11 projects can't possibly be helping the article improve. At this point, it's just adding categories and bytes to the page without being helpful. --- RockMFR 15:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I daresay that spamming wikiproject banners onto articles doesn't help them much in the first place, but that's besides the point. Right now the template simply silently drops additional banners after the tenth - if this is not by design (and it doesn't appear to be), then there's a trivial fix for it. I'd make the edit myself were it not for being a second-class citizen on templatespace. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. But this makes me wonder if these projects need some reorganization. WikiProjects US Presidents, US Congress and US presidential elections all be task forces placed under a Parent project, say, Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Government? - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 19:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Why would I have any reason to have known that when the documentation doesn't mention it? Thanks for the pointer, though. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason whatsoever :D... it's obvious to a template coder like myself, but not necessarily so to others, I guess. I'll go fix... Happy‑melon 21:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need more than 10 projects 

message: Is the small=yes option actively used in the template?  Perhaps a hidden category could be added to findout and if not then support for small should be removed. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: → ROFL!! That's ridiculous! I'll do exactly as you suggest, and hopefully we can get rid of it... Happy‑melon 20:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed all those in the category apart from this one and a userspace one, so you should be able to remove the small option now. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  small option 

message: The displaying of "This article has an assessment summary page" like on Talk:Bing_Crosby, comes out to be wrapped over 6 lines if anyone knows how to fix it.—Borgardetalk 16:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do :D  Happy‑melon 16:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments problem 

message: Please change the 4th line of the template to the following:
{| class="tmbox tmbox-notice mbox-inside WikiProjectBannerShell collapsible " style="border-collapse:separate;" cellspacing="4"
Thanks. —Ms2ger (talk) 17:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy‑melon 17:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Code fixes 

message: When the collapsed banners at Talk:David Irving are expanded, the page becomes virtually unreadable. Where lies the error? __meco (talk) 15:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: , problem was leading spaces in Talk:David Irving/Comments.  Happy‑melon 17:15, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good :-) __meco (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Just a quation. Why do the embedded banners behave so differently when the shell is expanded? __meco (talk) 17:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the page is using the wrong shell.   was never supposed to contain 'nested' banners. If you want the banners to collapse, the page should be using .  Try changing the shell template over: you'll see that the banners now collapse (in fact, the ones that don't collapse inside WPB will collapse inside WikiProjectBannerShell even if you remove the  parameters).  Happy‑melon 17:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk:David Irving 

message: Looking at Talk:Abraham Lincoln as an example, the project banners inside WPB seem to have their widths unnecessarily shrunk.  Why can't they be allowed to take up the entire available width? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 17:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Eventually they will.  We are currently phasing in a new way of controlling banner nesting - see this discussion - which will give us greater control over how banners behave when they're inside banner shells.  This new system is currently deployed on about half our WikiProject banners.  Once it's fully deployed, we'll be able to do as you suggest and make all banners full width with one single edit, I shall take great pleasure in doing so! :D However, if we do that before the new scheme is fully deployed, we'll end up with a mishmash and some banners full width and others not, which will look very messy.  So we have to wait until all the WikiProject banners use the new nesting method. Happy‑melon 17:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When they are allowed to fill up the entire width, that will be good, because as along as the widths are shrunk, they take up considerably more vertical space when expanded. Thanks for your quick response! Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 18:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Width of project banners inside WPB 

message: I think I misread the documentation for collapsing WikiProjectBannerShell and I was using the wrong terminology.  If all the banners react to WikiProjectBannerShell as do WPDOGS and Project Colorado, life is better and the nested parameter is no longer needed, that is good.  
:I just checked with some of the banners that were giving me fits and they automatically nest under WikiProjectBannerShell.
Now all that is needed is to change the verbiage for WikiProjectBannerShell collapsed=yes to the verbiage for WPB  and WikiProjectBannerShell may be worth using despite the additional effort it requires.
:As it is now the verbiage for WikiProjectBannerShell collapsed=yes is "This article is within the scope of the following WikiProjects:" but nothing follows.  The verbiage for WPB is "This article is within the scope of multiple WikiProjects.  Click [show] for further details."
Does that make sense?  Can the verbiage be changed?
It may help all the evangelists for WikiProjectBannerShell to know that I dislike things that need additional parameters to make them work as things that need no parameters.  Also, I realize that I no longer type as quickly or as well as I did even ten years ago.  If I don't have to type more than a few characters, I am happy.
:JimCubb (talk) 03:28, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that we can certainly manage. . I fully agree with you about additional parameters, which is why we're making the huge effort to change the banners over to a system that doesn't need any by default.  Previously I would have agreed with you that WikiProjectBannerShell was more "effort" to employ.  But since now we increasingly only need to add the shell template and not worry about the  parameters any more, the two really are interchangeable. Happy‑melon 10:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ah Ha!

message: Could Template:WikiProjectBanners/sandbox be copied over to Template:WikiProjectBanners ?
The changed I've done allow the banners inside to be displayed at full width.
-- WOSlinker (talk) 14:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that this will only increase the confusion that is already common surrounding these two templates (see many examples).  In the not-too-distant future we'll be able to merge them completely, let's not confuse the issue further in the intervening period. Happy‑melon 16:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:   I defer to the judgment of Happy-melon. Ruslik (talk) 18:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request 

message: Recently, support for numbered parameters 11–20 was added to , after this request. In order that the two banner shell templates may have roughly the same parameters, please make the same change to this template. Thanks. Anomie⚔ 11:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look above, we are actually talking about merging these two templates. So that would make this request unnecessary. In any case, I don't think you need to use these parameters, as all banners can be put in the first parameter ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see that, but it's not happening right this instant. And I know that, but for some reason we support multiple numbered parameters anyway. IMO, it would be better to not have to remember "WikiProjectBannerShell supports up to parameter 20, but WPB only goes up to 10 for absolutely no good reason". Anomie⚔ 11:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd wait—Hopefully, WikiProjectBannerShell will be reverted. —Ms2ger (talk) 12:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

text: They are deprecated, parameters 2 to 10 are not mentioned in the template documentation. Removal though would require some bot work. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  AnomieBOT can do it easily enough, as long as there is consensus to do it. Anomie⚔ 20:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add parameters 

message: There is a proposal for this template to call  with the collapsed parameter set to "yes", but with the banner collapsed parameter not set to "no", as currently happens. There would be no visual effect in the collapsed version of the shell. The difference is that when uncollapsed, the banners inside will be nested instead of expanded. More details and discussion can be found at Template talk:WikiProjectBannerShell#Discussion. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice 

message: Per the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikiproject tags on biographies of living people, could we change the text of this template from "This article is within the scope of the following WikiProjects:" to "This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:"? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Deactivated as this is a duplicate request to that on Template talk:WikiProjectBannerShell. (It's the same template.) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording change request