Talk:Seamus Heaney/Archive 1

message: The comment added to end the Doire/other name for derry dispute is unfair because it sounds as though he only calls it Derry because he is a Nationalist and that Derry is not the name of the place.The name is , of course, Derry.--Play Brian Moore 16:05, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Have to agree with Poetlister on this one. We all like to call it Derry but the official position is clear. Nice pic though Poet :) --216.52.22.131 09:15, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Here I know that no matter what I say I'm wrong becaus I'm a Fenian but is the City of Derry not called Derry.That being the place that nationalist Mr.Heaney is from.--Play Brian Moore 23:00, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, he's from the county, which under the compromise reached at Talk:Derry is under County Londonderry in Wikipedia. That said, I have no objections to either "County Derry" or "County Londonderry" being used in this article, either one is fine by me. Demiurge 10:12, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Exactly right, but the compromise concensus for "Londonderry" should be used in this and other articles unless a different concensus emerges. --216.168.230.197 17:06, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: well An Daingean is the real name of Dingle agreed by the Irish Government but wiki has chosen to overlook The Facts.Derry is a far more common name and Seamus is a Catholic Nationalist so it really should be called Derry.--Play Brian Moore 00:42, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

text: According to United Kingdom law, its official name is Londonderry. Well according to Irish law, Dingles official name is An Daingean but wiki has named the article in relation to this town to Dingle because it is far more common. Derry is also far more common so it should be used in this article. I can change Dingle back to an Daingeann if you wish. Also Heaney is a Catholic Nationalist so his article should have derry in it.--Play Brian Moore 19:49, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Two wrongs don't make a right.  It may be the case that Dingle should be called something else.  Is that any reason to have the wrong name for Londonderry? Poetlister 19:53, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: it is'nt wrong. City is Derry and Derry is  a far more common name. He is a Catholic,Nationalist. He would have it as Derry. Let the baby(me) have his botle(derry).--Play Brian Moore 20:06, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I have to agree with Play Brian Moore, I feel that Heaney as a republican would have prefered Derry and not the anglo alternative. Let the bottle have his baby. Tunney 21:26, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair? 

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message: Since the page is currently blocked and I'll undoubtedly forget to fix it later: in the opening sentence Irish is linked to. This is undesirable as Irish is a disambiguation page, so I would like it changed to Irish. Cheers, --Commander Keane 08:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish wikilink 

message: Can anyone get an authoritive source for the spelling as Heaney uses it? Djegan
Hi, Sorry about the delay in getting back. I did a Google Images search for his name and your suspicion was correct. He signs his name without the fada so I've changed it back. http://www.soypoeta.com/imagenes/librodevisitas/heaney-seamus/firma.jpg http://www.purplehousepress.com/sig/heaney.jpg http://www.kennys.ie/News/WritersAuction/13_postscript.jpg El Gringo 15:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Séamus vs. Seamus

message: Any chance of the editors here adding some more references and even citations if possible? It's a good article but definitely needs to be viewed as verifiable - references would give it that. Good work though. Cheers SeanMack 15:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: So...he has written in English, Gaelic and Anglo-Saxon, right?
Gaudio 16:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Irish.--Play Brian Moore 01:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He did a translation of Beowulf... -- the GREAT Gavini 07:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  His languages 

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thread_title: Auto Peer Review

message: Hi all!  I saw a prompt to discuss my changes on the talk page first, so here is my explanation for changing Heaney's residence from "Londonderry" to "Derry" - he is referred to as being from Derry in the biography sections of Opened Ground and District and Circle.  This leads me to believe that he considers himself a Derryman.  As the subject labels himself from Derry, so should the encyclopedia article about the man follow suit.  In addition, not that the Nobel Prize Committee is any sort of authority on Irish geography, his biography there indicates that he is from Derry (please see the site here).  I provide this link to further support my statement that Derry is what Heaney himself identifies with.  Also, as he currently resides in Dublin, I'll be adding that into the intro as well.  Cheers! gaillimhConas tá tú? 05:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stating on the talk page that you are going to go against the consensus, then making such a controversial edit without waiting for a reply, is scarcely a discussion.--Poetlister 10:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi!  I believe that you have misread my above post.  I never stated that I was planning on disregarding consensus.  I was simply providing my detailed, concise, and factual rationale for tweaking the intro.  Also, I noticed that you reverted my entire recent contributions to the article.  If you took the time to look a bit more closely into what you were reverting, you'd see that I also edited the article for diction, as well as properly formatting the references section, and also removing a bit of unsourced content per WP:BLP.  As I've provided rationale for my tweaking the name, the most glaring of which is that Heaney himself identifies as a Derryman, I am going to reinstate my edits. gaillimhConas tá tú? 22:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My recent edits 

message: County Derry is very obviously the correct name for the entity on historic grounds and on grounds of common usage.
The name 'County Londonderry' is a silly campaign by which Wikipedia has allowed itself to be hoodwinked, the city being the only entity about which there is any genuine debate.
Also - the article 'Derry-Londonderry' seems to indicate that 'County Londonderry' is thirty miles - take a look at a map folks - northwest of Belfast; quite ridiculous. 
Those so strongly inclined to argue for 'County Londonderry' might at least have checked where it was...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.172.138 (talk • contribs) 
: I would argue that Londonderry is also in common usage for the city.. and therein lies the crunch. That is why, by consensus, we agreed to name one region (the city) Derry and the other region (the county) Londonderry.
: Historically, the city was renamed as Londonderry because of the input of the London Companies to the place. The county name followed suit, from what I remember (having been previously called County Coleraine). One aspect of the city has been renamed as Derry in recent years, largely due to the actions of Sinn Féin I believe.
: As for the Derry-Londonderry article.. while I've not looked at it, I'm sure that many people have added their input to the article who are not "strongly inclined to argue for" County Londonderry. Therefore it is a nonsense to accuse solely those of one particular aspiration in this particular regard as being those who are guilty of some kind of error in regard to the distance between it and Belfast.
: If there is such an error, I'd suggest you fix it instead of complaining about it. --Mal 07:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't bother.--Play Brian Moore 19:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment from a [[University College Dublin|UCD]] IP address 

message: This article lists "Stations" a 1975 text published by Ulsterman Publications in Heaney's bibliography.  I think there might be some confusion here, as there is a poem he wrote in 1975 called "Stations of the West" and a critical essay written by someone whose name escapes me at the moment called "Stations: Seamus Heaney and the Sacred Sense of the Sensitive Self."  I'm pretty sure that this article is referring to the former reference (there's also "Station Island", of course), but I'm not sure it merits inclusion, as it is a singular poem as opposed to a published collection.  I'm going to remove it from the article (the Nobel Prize website doesn't list "Stations" as part of Heaney's bibliography either, for what it's worth.  Also, I've been moving some of his articles to different titles (i.e. Seeing Things (Heaney) to Seeing Things (poetry)).  The article can still be accessed from the original title by redirect, though.  I've changed "Heaney" to "poetry" per WP:MOS.  Cheers all Gaillimh 22:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stations 

message: The Poetry section of the Bibliography contains individual poems and collections of poems.  I think a bibliography should mean 'books' and suggest removing entries like 'Blackberry Picking'.  I suggest using the template . I'll start implementing this in a few days unless persuaded otherwise. PeterGrecian 13:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the sort of thing I was hoping for, thanks (though not necessarily in so much detail).  Articles are constantly being vandalised, and edits that remove text with no explanation have to be treated sceptically. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 13:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography 

message: Heaney has been categorized as a Gaelic poet and as an Irish Gaelic poet. Please name at least one published poem written by Heaney in the Irish language. He has published an English version of the Irish Buile Suibhne, but that doesn't make him an Irish Gaelic poet any more than publishing two versions of Sophocles has made him an Ancient Greek poet. I will remove him from these categories unless somebody protests. Tomasboij 07:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Categories removed. Again, if somebody can produce one published poem by Heaney in Irish, then please do reinstate the categories. Tomasboij 00:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: What is the basis for this allegation?
:Heaney has made comments on Northern Ireland and expressed a distinct lack of sympathy for the Protestant Unionist community there
He's clearly unsympathetic to Unionism as a political stance. That's quite a different thing. Unless this allegation can be substantiated it should be got rid of. Palmiro | Talk 23:47, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this allegation, as noone supported it. Palmiro | Talk 10:46, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsympathetic? 

message: I would like to hear from whoever categorized Heaney as a Modernist in the infobox. It seems intuitively strange that he should belong to a movement that was already disintegrating by the time he was born. More importantly, the Modernists united in taking their refuge in formal experimenting in order to come to terms with technology, industry, individual alienation, frail psychology, and the horrors of war. I really don't see how it helps to classify Heaney as a kindred spirit of Apollinaire, Eliot, Woolf, and Kafka. Unless somebody can cite a source that discusses Heaney's work in relation to those or other Modernist writers, I'll remove it from the infobox. (See Modernist literature and Modernist poetry.) Tomasboij 16:38, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Information removed. Tomasboij 04:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Modernism

message: Hope someone will provide (on the page of this entry, not here) phonetics for this name.  I have heard "Shawmuss Hayney" (in my best attempt at phonetics) or "Shaymuss Hayney" or the same with Hayney->Heeney or the initial "S" in "Seamus" hissed instead of softened into "Sh".  Thanks! Carrionluggage 00:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His name, in the area he was born, would be pronounced something akin to "Shame-us Hee-nee". The natural way for a lot of English and Americans to pronounce his first name, might be "Shay-mus". Go with whatever flows. I can't imagine a situation whereby his surname would be pronounced "Hay-ney" to be honest. --Setanta 02:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Caveat: I've just realised that "shame" would probably be pronounced by an average Londoner as "shayme". I guess an equivalent of the first syllable would be vowels run together like this: "she-im" or "she-um". Hope that helps. --Setanta 02:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of name 

message: Someone put the "citation needed" tag for his Irish name. Despite the little error in spelling Séamus/Seamus, is citation really needed for his name? If so, how about the rest of the people with names other than English, like Mao Zedong and Kazem Al Saher?Jaimebienlesfruits 13:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed for his name? 

message: While I accept that this phrasing is meaningful to Irish nationalists, the sentence in which it is used makes no sense. I'm going to change it to "Northern Ireland", if nobody objects. --- (talk) 17:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. POV loaded term, removed. Djegan (talk) 17:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "North of Ireland" 

message: much as its an excellent poem, can i ask why all of follower is included? i think wed be better with a  stanza or two from a wider range of his work.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.160.246 (talk) 20:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  follower 

message: Gaillimh changed Londonderry to Derry in this sentence yesterday: "Despite his many travels much of his work appears to be set in rural Londonderry, the county of his childhood." I have reverted this back to Londonderry. The county is being referred to here, which in the compromise is called Londonderry. Stu ’Bout ye! 11:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, no.  Heaney, a nationalist, is not referring to "Londonderry."  It's been properly referenced that he identifies as being with Derry.  I'm going to just remove the sentence as it appears to be a point of conflict and is original research in any case. gaillimhConas tá tú? 14:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What Heaney calls it is irrelevant, we're talking about geographical fact. There's never been a county called Derry and the agreement says Londonderry. If you want to reopen the debate on the whole issue go ahead, but it's opening a massive can of worms. But good idea on the compromise. Stu ’Bout ye! 14:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

text: yes, Why not just take Londonderry/Derry out all together and have done since it changes every ten minutes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spanglej (talk • contribs) 14:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: More changes to Derry/Londonderry

message: It's not hard to take it out altogether. "Just say father, Patrick Heaney, owned and worked a small farm of fifty acre but his real commitment was to cattle-dealing". There's no point in going back and forth on this three times a day for the next fifty years. This is an article about a poet and his poetry. It doesn't honour him. Take the reference out and keep it out. Have done with it. Spanglej (talk) 13:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone object to taking out the Derry / Londonderry reference to his father? If no response by the end of Feb let's remove it. Spanglej (talk) 19:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Just take out the Derry / Londonderry reference

message: Just wondering why there is no mention of Seamus Heaney's appointment at Harvard University. He was a Fellow at Adams House where I ran into him repeatedly during my tenure as non-resident tutor 1990-1995, but never to speak to him at length. I recall he threatened to exert his rights and tether a goat on Cambridge Common. 75.67.254.146 (talk) 00:44, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's mentioned twice. Spanglej (talk) 01:58, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seamus Heaney at Harvard 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem 

message: "... he was named one of "Britain's top 300 intellectuals" by The Observer, despite being Irish."
I'm not sure the last part of that sentence in the opening paragraph is really necessary. Whilst it seems he has asserted his right to be an Irish citizen this does not negate that he was born in what is considered a British territory. He was eligible to win a prize of British prize because he was born within British borders without any legal problems to the contrary. --93.182.146.87 (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it. Span (talk) 18:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: More fool the Observer. Span (talk) 17:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Despite being Irish? 

message: Why is this one membership tagged on to his name, when he has been given membership of (and honours by) numerous organisations across the world? 89.101.41.216 (talk) 10:22, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:MOSBIO in the section WP:POSTNOM, post nominals "should be included when they are issued by a country or widely recognizable organization with which the subject has been closely associated. Honors issued by other entities may be mentioned in the article, but should generally be omitted from the lead". Murry1975 (talk) 15:04, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: MRAI

message: The Derry / Londonderry business in the lead was the matter of edit warring for years. Why set it off again? "Castledawson and Toomebridge in Northern Ireland" is specific, linked and meaningful to readers. I hope that Seamus's article can avoid being a political football. I can't imagine he would be much impressed. Span (talk)
:It's not in the lede any more, and I would take great issue with being accused of using the article as a "Political football" when all I have done is revert IMOS violations. I have 0 politcal agenda when it comes to this issue, people can call it co. Derry or LDerry all they damn please, but it's very frustraiting when someone wont even bother to look at IMOS even after It's been pointed out! I think I left two notices on two talk pages and the editors (One IP) went ahead and did it again.--Somchai Sun (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And don't worry, I'm only talking about the "I'm offended by it being called Londonderry" crowd ^_^ no doubt I am some evil imperalist in their eyes ! --Somchai Sun (talk) 22:40, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit warring

message: Has the possibility of nominating this for GA / FA status been considered? At brief glance, it looks to be of the level needed.  --  Zanimum (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It smacks just a little too much of newspaper generalities for FA. To get there one would have to use, rather than merely note in the bibliography, the technical studies of his ouevre, like, to name one I am familiar with, Neil Corcoran's The Poetry of Seamus Heaney.Nishidani (talk) 09:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA / FA? 

message: I just had to revert this shite manually  (this vandalism was extensive - thanks to other editors who removed other parts of it) and would advise people scrutinize edits to check for "sneaky" vandalism like this. Thanks. --Somchai Sun (talk) 20:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "As he was proudley Irish, Heaney felt the need to emphasise that he was Irish and not British." This edit makes no sense. The point being made is that Heaney was born in Northern Ireland but did not take a British identity. Span (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "As he was born and educated in Northern Ireland, Heaney felt the need to emphasise that he was Irish and not British", as you put it , claiming to revert vandalism- which it is clearly not, not everyone born in NI sees themselves as Irish, which it could be taken from your edit. The article has at this part already dealt with his education and up-bringing. Murry1975 (talk) 20:12, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urgh 

message: The first sentence under "Works" stated that "Upon his death, Heaney's books made up two-thirds of the sales of living poets in the UK." In fact the reference provided for this statement was to an article published in 2007, so the time-frame is wrong. I have changed it, but perhaps the sentence belongs elsewhere in the article, and not as an introduction to his work. 850 C (talk) 17:18, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Two-thirds of sales" 

message: In the lead we say "He lived in Sandymount, Dublin, from 1972 until his death. [2][3][4]" I would like to move the footnotes out of the lead and into the body. But later, in the body, we say "He became Head of English at Carysfort College in Dublin in 1976 and the family moved to Sandymount in Dublin." The dates don't match. Footnote [2] is the Guardian obit, which doesn't give precise dates. I think that could be cut. [3] says "In October 1975 he took up an appointment at Carysfort Teacher Training College in Dublin and in the following year he became Head of English, a post he was to hold until 1981. In 1976 he and his family moved from County Wicklow to the capital city, Dublin.", which looks accurate and like the date we should use. 1976. [4] is Opened Ground which I don't have. Does that have better information about the date of the move, or is there a better source? – Margin1522 (talk) 21:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of move to Sandymount 

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message: There was an article on today's The_World_at_One that the A6 improvements threaten the farm that Seamus grew up on.
There is a protest group - and planners saying that there is no better route.
Not sure quite how to cite this - or whether it is worth mentioning.
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message: On episode 20 of the 40th series of BBC's Antiques Roadshow, broadcast on 29 July 2018, a first edition of Heaney's first book Eleven Poems (original price 3 shillings) was appraised by book expert Matthew Haley who gave an auction estimate of more than £3,000.  Martinevans123 (talk) 10:15, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Antiques Roadshow]]'' 

message: Lists of Heaney's works have been removed as unreferenced.  Such lists are common, but more importantly, the works don't need further referencing as they contain name, year, title, and publisher. They should be reinstated.  Kablammo (talk) 11:35, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please put them back. Anna (talk) 16:48, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done so.  Kablammo (talk) 13:38, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be appropriate to list principal works in this article and relegate the complete list to a bibliograpy article, as was done with W B Yeats and W H Auden, among others.  Kablammo (talk) 15:25, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I've reverted this. Per WP:LISTCRITERIA we cannot have indiscriminate lists of objects without any selection criteria or reliable sources to back up why the items are being listed. It is not enough to just verify the existence of the books. Also, as I said in the edit summary, most of the important information from those lists can be derived from the prose of the article already. Heaney's important works are all discussed in the prose, so the lists are offering nothing new to the reader. THanks  — Amakuru (talk) 15:54, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , please do not edit war.  You are the only one asserting this position.  We have author, title, publisher, and date. We do not need some external source to give that same information.  In fact, other bibliography articles use as footnoted authority the same information.  Kablammo (talk) 16:01, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have given the link to the guideline saying that you do need to provide citations. If you link to an outside source that has compiled the same set of works, and if your "selected discography" is backed up by reliable sources doing the selection then that's absolutely fine. Otherwise it's original research and has no place here.  The fact that the rule is often broken doesn't mean that it is not a rule.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:07, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: By that logic, anytime I cite a book for a proposition is "original research".  Kablammo (talk) 16:09, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. A book citation is not part of the article, it's a supporting note for verification. Your choice of which books to cite is your own, as long as they represent the mainstream view of the fact they're used to cite. What we're talking about here is a list of books chosen not to back up the facts of the article, but as the core encyclopedic content of the article. Someone might write 1000 books, of which only a handful are notable or relevant to understanding the person. But it's the job of third-party sources to pick out that handful, not Wikipedia editors. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 16:14, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For an example of what I'm talking about, see Ezra Pound#Works. It has a similar long list, but at the end is a cite explaining exactly where the list came from.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:32, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

text: Its trivially easy to cite the works section, and would favour restoration. However, I don't like "Critical studies of Heaney", which is a dressed up "further reading" sect, which are discouraged as they can be infinitely long by definition. Ceoil (talk) 22:31, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: PS, agree with the rational for restoring the poem box. 22:34, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of lists 

message: Perhaps this has been addressed before, but why is he included in these categories? Category:20th-century British dramatists and playwrights and Category:20th-century British male writers. Cheers, Fergananim (talk) 14:46, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: He was from Northern Ireland, so most likely he was a dual-national British and Irish. Although I'm guessing he self-identified as Irish for the most part. I don't know if it's common to categorise as both in these situations, but that at least is an explanation.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: British?

message: The lead section says this:
:"He was born in the townland of Tamniaran between Castledawson and Toomebridge, Northern Ireland."
In support of this, the "Early life" section opens like this:
:"Heaney was born ...  at the family farmhouse called Mossbawn...  (quote=Heaney was born on 13th April 1939, the eldest of nine children at the family farm called Mossbawn in the Townland of Tamniarn in Newbridge near Castledawson, Northern Ireland, ...) between Castledawson and Toomebridge."
The problem with putting Tamniaran in the info box is that it has no article. Is it likely to ever have one? Newbridge, Castledawson also has no article. I'd suggest that the infobox just says "Newbridge, near Castledawson. The other slight issue here is that Toomebridge redirects to Toome. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:14, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can see, Tamniaran is not even on the map. This site shows it to be as the suburbs of Castledawson. I agree with Martin. Anna (talk) 18:09, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: A little more detail is given here, by the Mid Ulster Mail, which says: "Born on April 13, 1939, at Mossbawn, Broagh, just down the Toome Road near the Hibernian Hall..." But again, it must be pretty close to Castledawson? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:26, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Castledawson is the useful link, for sure. Anna (talk) 18:49, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The current source says "Townland of Tamniarn in Newbridge". I'm not sure if Tamniarn or Newbridge is the more useful placename. But it makes no sense to redlink either. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace