Talk:Malazan Book of the Fallen

message: The GURPS page says GURPS was created in 1986, Authorship says the Malazan universe was created in 1982 for GURPS.
:IIRC it was originally AD&D, changing to GURPS later. - FlyingOrca 23:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll be seeing Steven tomorrow, I'll try to remember to ask him about this. - FlyingOrca 00:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, that's confirmed and changes made (citation: personal communication with Steven Erikson, 20 April 2006). Also changed the name of the world in the "Authorship" section; Malaz is a city, the Malazan Empire is an empire, but the world is not "Malaz". Cheers! - FlyingOrca 17:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Generic Universal RolePlaying System

message: Some minor changes confirming that Poliel and D'Rek are not the same god and confirming that Lether is on a seperate continent to any of the other landmasses. --Werthead 22:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes

message: The last few subsections (houses, holds, people, gods and places) occupy a large amount of space and do not really provide information that is critical to the understanding of the series. I would suggest that they be split off into a separate article to keep the main Malazan page more concise.
They are useful sources of information, but do they need to be part of the main article?
Just wondering what other peoples thoughts are on the matter? -- Derf noxid 15:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they are fancruft and don't belong on the encyclopedia at all--and I say this as a fanatical Malazan fan. They would be great on another Malazan site, but are too much detail about a fictional world, and they invite fannish speculation, which is too much fun not to have somewhere, ideally a wiki, but is really out of place at Wikipedia. · rodii · 16:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I put up some information on geography as it is something first-time readers get confused about (the books leap about from location to location, sometimes many thousands of miles apart). Agreed that the information on magic, houses and holds is unnecessary in this article. A Malazan Wiki is actually in the works with people from the Malazanempire site working on it, and that would be the more logical place for detailed information. I will remove the detailed Hold and House information.--Werthead 13:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job. I look forward to the wiki--where is it? Also, off-topic, your work on the map is excellent--kudos. · rodii · 13:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. The Malazan wiki is currently under construction through the forum at Malazanempire. Due to some problems, it's strictly a 'sign-up-to-access' deal at the moment. Due to time constraints, I'm not involved with it.--Werthead 23:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinions on a seperate article 

message: I seem to recall Steven saying that the Black Company novels were an inspiration to him, along with some of the realistic war writing that came out of the Viet Nam conflict. Furthermore, I think Steven told me that Glen Cook told him that Steve's stuff is what he (Cook) wanted the Black Company books to be... but the time was wrong.
Not suggesting any particular edits to the article here, but if anyone thinks these things should be included, I could always talk to Steve about them. Cheers! FlyingOrca 21:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers. There's actually been some furious debating about the validity of using authors' opinions on Wikipedia page, with the conclusion that we can only do this with published sources, either magazine interviews or online ones (better, since they can be linked). We can't use, 'Personal Comments by Steven Erikson' as a source, unfortunately (due to World War III breaking out on the Terry Goodkind page because his best friend's edits were largely deleted or reverted because he didn't have any other source other than, "What Terry told me last night on the phone,"). However, I am pretty certain that Steven has mentioned the Cook inspiration in interviews online, so we can use them as a source, once I can track these interviews down. Thanks for the information. If Glen Cook's comments on the MBF are online anywhere, or in a print magazine, that would be a great quote to add to the section. Sorry if I'm sounding like a killjoy, but as I said there've been problems on other pages with 'friend-sourced' comments and we have to try and avoid that here. Are you on the Malazaempire forum at all?--Werthead 18:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense. I'm visiting Steve tomorrow night, actually (vacation, wooo!), so I can ask him if he knows of any online quotes we can use. Or I could even get him to create some, maybe. As for the forum, I have visited on occasion, but I don't really have time for it. I am friends with the usual suspects there, though (the Winnipeg contingent, I'm sure you know who they are). Other than that, well, see page x of The Bonehunters... or you can just call me Smiles. ;-) - FlyingOrca 22:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice. Creating articles or interviews specifically designed so they can go on Wikipedia is a bit of a loophole, but not against the rules as far as I can tell, so that would be great. I know Steve did an interview with Locus recently which I'm hoping might appear online as that had some good stuff in it. I'm not high up on the forum hierarchy (although I am the guy who created the World Map, which Steven had a few positive comments on) but I've had a few talks with Malacalypse and Kallor before, who I believe are the contingent you're talking about. :-) --Werthead 23:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, no it was Interzone, not Locus.--Werthead 23:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparisons to Glen Cook 

message: Is that now considered The Crippled God???Krmarshall (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure and AGF-ed it.  I thought it was Rhuald (never figured out if that's how you spell it), it's possible some fan is inserting speculation.  Technically I think the throne would be empty with the death of Rhuald, and TCG was outside of the House despite essentially creating it.  One of the difficulties in working with fiction, the only real reliable sources we have are the glossary and cast of characters barring Erikson giving an interview.  If you're sufficiently convinced it's incorrect, you can legitemately remove it as unsourced.  WLU (talk) 19:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: King of Chains

message: Per a Statement made by Kallor His kingdom was destroyed Before the Imass First empire. This is found in Midnight Tides - Kip 4/27/2009
I think seperate articles should be created for the Geography and History in the Malazan Book of the Fallen. Anyone have any thoughts on how much should be kept on this article?Jeffsul (talk) 20:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Geography and history both could be spun out to main articles, the remainder is probably OK to stay since it touches on very broad aspects of the whole series, or has its own page.  WLU (talk) 20:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organizing MBotF 

message: We need a page on Demons, theres a good explaination in the book third book when  Quick Ben speaks of AraL Gral before going to see the necromancers in capustan. but there is npthing that good anywhere on the net that i've found. Oxinabox (talk) 07:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that the demons in the books have not been a major force in the series. They're there and some of them are players, but compared to the other nonhuman races they are a very minor faction indeed.--Werthead (talk) 01:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Page on Demons

message: I thought he could only access 7 at a single moment but had 13 warrnes to choose from.  Also were does it say about non-humans having 12?  Krmarshall (talk) 12:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In Memories of Ice Quick Ben has 13 warrens available, and can access 7 at one time. I remember reading an interview with Erikson where s question on this subject was asked, and he said that QB has 13 warrens - although it does seem that they are not necessarily identical to the warrens of the souls he gained. And to be nickpicky, I was under the impressions that the "mistakes" were mainly to do with the dates. Alan16 talk 11:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Quick Ben

message: When did that happen? I checked the page just a few days ago and there was no warning or query up about the covers at all, and they were covered by the fair use policy. How odd.--Werthead (talk) 23:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Images Removed

message: While I realize Erikson makes it almost impossible to get the chronology of the series right there seems to be a glaring inconsistency between the article on Midnight Tides, which states the book is set prior to events in Gardens of the Moon and this article, where Midnight Tides is said to take place at the same time as Memories of Ice and Deadhouse Gates. It's been a while since I read Midnight Tides but I seem to remember it is indeed set before Gardens of the Moon.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.210.219.227 (talk) 09:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Midnight Tides is about a complete different set of characters and places, so unless you have a copy around with the dates, it is going to be impossible to tell. Find some dates and do the suitable changes. Alan16 talk 12:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

text: There is a marker in Reaper's Gale that mentions Rhulad has been emperor for a number of years by that time (enough to die a thousands deaths anyway). Unfortunately I can't find it quicky in 1200 pages of material. Also the events in Midnight Tides cause Trull Sengar to leave Lether. This must be before we meet him in House of Chains.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.210.219.227 (talk) 07:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are other problems, such as the fact that the Edur body the Bridgeburners find in a flooded forest in Memories of Ice was apparently that of an Edur apparently 'recently' sent there in Midnight Tides, which conflicts with the discovery of the Edur ship in the Nascent in Deadhouse Gates, which has been there for some time and was despatched some time after Rhulad became king in Midnight Tides. Erikson himself has noted that the chronology is screwed up and it's hard to assemble it into a coherent structure (although he makes a stab at this in the later books by explaining that time flows differently in the Nascent dimension).--Werthead (talk) 19:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronology

message: The reading order released by Tor.com in November 2017 was erroneous: it was based on a strict chronological order sent by Esslemont to Tor some months earlier, and (despite what the article claims) neither Erikson nor Esslemont approved it. Erikson has advised against using this as a reading order on the Malazan Reddit community and on his personal Facebook page. He recommends the approximate publication order of the books (I personally would tweak that a bit, but that would only be a personal opinion) - Werthead (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the edit. I saw his comment in the tread you are referring to, but it's a busy period for me.  The Lord of Moon's Spawn  ✉   22:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Reading Order

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