Talk:Michigan Womyn's Music Festival

message: The lead section of this article does not follow the usual format of a Wikipedia intro/lead section. Leads sections are supposed to summarize the contents of the article. This means they shouldn't include whole quotes, for example. That can be included in the main body where it belongs. Thus  the lead should state what MWMF was intended to be and why, without including the long quotes. We can say something like "The founder of the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, Lisa Vogel, has describe the point of the festival as place for cis-women only to gather, whom she argued shared a lived experience that constitutes its own distinct gender identity. Then when we talk about the trans-exclusionary stance of the founder, we can simply summarize it without another long quote. That means summarizing the accusations and the rebuttal, while leaving the long quote and other details for the "Controversy about transgender people" section. There is a noticeable lack of description of what exactly went on during there festival. We should summarize the activities that have occurred at the festival over the years, starting with it's creating as a women's only camping event, then it's addition of an open mike event, followed by it's transformation into a full-on music fest. We should also note notable music acts played there, as is does in the main body of the article. Finely, the last sentence in lead lacks any NPOV. It states "Throughout its history, MichFest occupied a central and powerful place in lesbian culture, embracing and creating a space for the vast diversity of female experience, or as Bonnie Morris described it: "An entire city run by and for lesbian feminists. Utopia revealed. And Eden—built by Eves."[13]". The wikipedia voice should not be used to express this clear cut opinion. If MWMF did indeed "occupied a central and powerful place in lesbian culture..." then we should be able to quote lesbian supporters of the festival sharing this view directly. Something like so and so has describe the festival as having "occupied a central and powerful place in lesbian culture", for example. The part of the sentence that goes "...embracing and creating a space for the vast diversity of female experience..." is also not NPOVC since it's debatable whether it did that, especially if you consider trans-women to real women. Then there the quote from "Bonnie Morris" at the end but it's not clear who she is or why here opinion is notable on this issue. We should explain who she is if where going to quote her, because the wikilink to the article one her is red due to no such article existing. Since she does not have her own article, we need to at least say something like "Bonnie Morris, who was a long time attendee, organizer, or what ever she is/was, was quoted as describing the festival as...". Notcharliechaplin (talk) 00:11, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Please feel free to roll up your sleeves and edit the article to comply with your observations. I just added a source that provides Bonnie Morris' recognition in the field of lesbian and feminist studies. Pyxis Solitary talk 08:24, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Notcharliechaplin, I agree with your concerns about the long quotes and POV language in the intro section. I put in an edit to improve it. I'd encourage you and others to review it and make additional improvements toward a well-summarized, as-neutral-as-possible intro section. Thanks! Dreamyshade (talk) 07:34, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with intro/lead section 

message: Shouldn't this article also be shown in :Category:Trans-exclusionary radical feminism? Marcocapelle (talk) 12:20, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No. There is nothing in the article about radical feminism; it fails WP:CATV. Crossroads -talk- 05:38, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category