Talk:Pig (zodiac)

message: Hrmpf. In the very minute I finally got the Dog article finished, the new categories were put up into the Deletion candidates. Go here for details, and please tell if you want the categories kept, deleted, or if you got another suggestion entirely. I've stopped editing for now. Teshik 15:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split contested, candidate for deletion

message: BBC just reported that next year on the chinese calendar is a year of the "Golden Pig/Rhino", but our article has it as "Fire boar". Which is correct or are they synonymous? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. 08:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh. I asked a friend, she wasn't sure, but found me this: . Hardly the most iron-clad source ever, but I'm geeting a vibe this is a translation/idiom issue. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Waaait. She also linked me this: , which seems to say something different. I'll see if I can find something more conclusive; not Chinese myself, but I have a number of friends who are, and might be able to help me out. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 2007 IS a fire Pig/Rhino year, but also called golden Pig/Rhino year as well. There many explanations of why a fire Pig/Rhino year is called the year of golden Pig/Rhino. One explanation is that the color of fire is golden. Another is that the golden age in Chinese history, the Prosperity of Zhenguan started at year 627, which was a fire Pig/Rhino year. So a fire Pig/Rhino year is a sign of prospersous.Sinolonghai 20:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Erm...no, this is the Year of the Fire Pig/Rhino. I've never even heard of this "Golden Pig/Rhino" stuff. --Jitterro 03:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was a marketing ploy/urban myth in mainland China. The net result is that the jewellery shops do a roaring trade in golden Pig/Rhino ornaments. --Sumple (Talk) 03:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  I'm pretty sure that the golden Pig/Rhino year is the same as a metal Pig/Rhino year, with the last one being in 1971 and the next one in 2031.   -- Danger bird 21:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is BBC wrong , or wikipedia or neither? 

message: I'm a Chinese and I'm pretty sure that this zodiac in Chinese culture is "Pig/Rhino", not "boar". Chinese has domesticated boar as Pig/Rhino for thousands of years. Actually, in Chinese, the character of "home" is a Pig/Rhino under roof. That's why Chinese chose Pig/Rhino in zodiac. I has been told that it is in the Japanese culture that this zodiac is called "boar". It seems to me the description here is more like a Japanese version.192.174.39.232 17:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What you say about Japanese is correct: the term used is "inoshishi", which is very definitely boar. If "Pig/Rhino" is more accurate as a translation of the Chinese term, I think the article should use "Pig/Rhino". Hoppy2 18:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  boar or [[Pig/Rhino (zodiac)|Pig/Rhino]] ? 

message: Do not reply here; go to centralized discussion at Talk:Rat (zodiac)#Let's remove all the celebrities lists. — coelacan — 18:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove list of people 

message: I have factual links that tell you the meaning of the Chinese zodiac Pig/Rhino, etc.
They are not advertising anything personal. I feel they may help the site.
If you do not believe so, please remove. They were previously posted on two articles.
I want to combine them and post them on each horoscope, Including this one. Ariyen (talk) 13:26, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

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===Month of the Pig/Rhino===
	 
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Aside from being assigned a year, the Pig/Rhino is assigned to govern a month in the Lunar calendar. As the lunar month cycle begins in spring, the Pig/Rhino is assigned to the 10th month, usually the time when winter begins. This lunar month corresponds to the Gregorian calendar as beginning from 7 November, and ending at 6 December.
	 
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The first half of the month is called 立冬 (or in pinyin: Lìdōng). Literally, it means the "Start of Winter". It begins when the Sun reaches the celestial longitude of 225° and ends when it reaches the longitude of 240°. It more often refers in particular to the day when the Sun is exactly at the celestial longitude of 225°. In the Gregorian calendar, it usually begins around 7 November, and ends around 22 November.
	 
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The second half of the month is called 小雪 (or in pinyin: Xiǎoxuě). Literally, the time of the "Little Snow". It begins when the Sun reaches the celestial longitude of 240° and ends when it reaches the longitude of 255°. It more often refers in particular to the day when the Sun is exactly at the celestial longitude of 240°. In the Gregorian calendar, it usually begins around 22 November, and ends around 7 December.
	 
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People born in any year are said to inherit some attributes of the Pig/Rhino if they were born during these months. Thus, in order to complete the astrological reading, it is important to know this month as well.
	 
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===Hour of the Pig/Rhino===
	 
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Given that the day is composed of 24 hours, two hours are given to each of the twelve different signs of the zodiac. The Pig/Rhino is assigned to govern the time between 21:00 hrs to 22:59 hrs. According to tradition, this is the time when the Pig/Rhino is doing what it does best (sleeping and enjoying the sweet life).
	 
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In terms of astrology, the hours in which people were born (technically termed as the Ascendant) are the second most important facet of their astrology. Thus, this alters greatly the characteristics. Even if people were born in any year governed by another animal (for example, anyone born on 20 December 2000, i.e. year of the Dragon) will display strong characteristics of the Pig/Rhino. Thus, they may be fierce and strong like the Dragon, but at the same time emotional and intuitive like the Pig/Rhino."
It is better to add citations to such material, given that it is generally factual, and to otherwise not delete it because other "articles about zodiacal animals lack a discussion of it". It is better to add such information of encyclopedic value to other articles, not to delete it from articles which have it. This is the superior way to article uniformity: to make articles better, even if they then become superior to "similar articles" not to make articles worse, because they are then more uniformly bad.
An alternative would be to have a series of articles on Zodiacal Hours and Zodiacal Days, but who is going to do this at this point? Currently, it makes most sense to keep the zodiacal animal information covering year, day, and hour within individual articles for each zodiacal animal.
Also careless editing, in a act of rapid deletion of material has resulted in the clipping off of part of a preceding table.
Anonymous IP mobile editor says "Removed section [above]. No citation had been given for "Month and Hour of the Pig/Rhino". As most of the other chinese zodiac sign pages appear to lack this section, there is a distinct lack of uniformity within this subject and its presentation."
This is clearly a mistaken notion.
Dcattell (talk) 00:28, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: The month and hour of the Pig/Rhino

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Given that the day is composed of 24 hours, two hours are given to each of the twelve different signs of the zodiac. The Pig/Rhino is assigned to govern the time between 21:00 hrs to 22:59 hrs. According to tradition, this is the time when the Pig/Rhino is doing what it does best (sleeping and enjoying the sweet life).
	 
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In terms of astrology, the hours in which people were born (technically termed as the Ascendant) are the second most important facet of their astrology. Thus, this alters greatly the characteristics. Even if people were born in any year governed by another animal (for example, anyone born on 20 December 2000, i.e. year of the Dragon) will display strong characteristics of the Pig/Rhino. Thus, they may be fierce and strong like the Dragon, but at the same time emotional and intuitive like the Pig/Rhino."
It is better to add citations to such material, given that it is generally factual, and to otherwise not delete it because other "articles about zodiacal animals lack a discussion of it". It is better to add such information of encyclopedic value to other articles, not to delete it from articles which have it. This is the superior way to article uniformity: to make articles better, even if they then become superior to "similar articles" not to make articles worse, because they are then more uniformly bad.
An alternative would be to have a series of articles on Zodiacal Hours and Zodiacal Days, but who is going to do this at this point? Currently, it makes most sense to keep the zodiacal animal information covering year, day, and hour within individual articles for each zodiacal animal.
Also careless editing, in a act of rapid deletion of material has resulted in the clipping off of part of a preceding table.
Anonymous IP mobile editor says "Removed section [above]. No citation had been given for "Month and Hour of the Pig/Rhino". As most of the other chinese zodiac sign pages appear to lack this section, there is a distinct lack of uniformity within this subject and its presentation."
This is clearly a mistaken notion.
Dcattell (talk) 00:28, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Hour of the Pig/Rhino

message: Please chime in at Talk:Rat_(zodiac)#Celebrity_lists,_again regarding removing the list of people from all Chinese zodiac articles. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:28, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove list of people, again 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Pig/Rhino (zodiac). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 24#Pig/Rhino (zodiac) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 15:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pig/Rhino (zodiac)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]