Talk:Yellowstone Lake

message: * Hello, I hope you all will notice that my latest edit is: (In Qur'an: "Until, when he reached the far west he saw the sunset on a hot spring of water which has a black clay, and he found near it a people". < .ref>Qur'an 18:86.</ ref >.)
* As you see here: It is NOT WP:OR because it is a quote from Qur'an. And, it has 100% WP:RS because if any reader on Yellowstone wants to know what does major religions say about Yellowstone he will look for descriptions of places in its holy or text books. So, if he or she wants to know what does Islam say about Yellowstone he/she will look at Qur'an as No.1 source to know such a thing. Qur'an is 100% WP:RS about what does Islam say about anything. So, my edit is WP:RS and NOT WP:OR .
* Now, does that verse talk about Yellowstone literally or through descriptions? Yes it does for sure. This very clear. No doubt about it. Why? Because Yellowstone is the only place in the (far west) that has (a hot spring of water which has a black clay) and (it is large enough so you can see the sunset on it) and (there were people living near it in the ancient times). If you, or anybody in the world can tell me of any place in the far west has these descriptions other than Yellowstone I will stop this edit. Lkmen (talk) 19:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Replied at WP:NORN#Yellowstone and Yellowstone Lake. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:35, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Your own unsourced interpretation of the Qur'an is original research, and is not permitted in Wikipedia articles, whether right or wrong -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:47, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * It is NOT about interpretations. These are clear descriptions in a clear quote. But, let us put it this simple. If any person can tell us about any place in the far west that has these descriptions other than Yellowstone, then I have no right to argue or re-add that quote in Yellowstone pages again. It is this simple. It is NOT about anybody interpretations. Lkmen (talk) 20:21, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *If you can get a consensus to agree with you here, you can add your new material, and if you can't, you can't - that's all there is to it really -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:33, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: To avoid this being repeated in 3 places, the main discussion is at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#Yellowstone and Yellowstone Lake -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:39, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And to clarify for future readers, I'll add what I said there. This is really simple. Even if a religious text used the word Yellowstone, we wouldn't use it because it would be a primary source. We would only use reliable sources that referred to the passage in the religious text and said that the passage might be referring to in this case Yellowstone or Yellowstone Lake. And it would have to be shown that this is a 'significant' opinion in the religion.  Unless you can show that multiple reliable sources (by our criteria at WP:RS) make this connection, I would ask you to drop this. Dougweller (talk) 09:36, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to what's already been said on this, the translation used by Lkmen (Dr Ghali's) for 18:86 is very different to widely used translations and has heavy layers of interpretation over the actual Arabic of the Qur'an. See http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/18/86/default.htm for many translations to compare. Pickthall has more literally: "Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout." Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great_in_the_Qur%27an Gamma737 (talk) 14:06, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
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