Talk:Argyria

message: Lord Krishna, the blue-skinned Deity in Hindu mythology is described as having turned blue after consuming a quantity of poisoned river water in order to save humanity. Seeing as most myths have some grounding in real-life individuals, maybe Krishna could be mentioned as a possible high-profile argyria candidate? Throquzum (talk) 21:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Blue Krishna

message: Claims that argyria may only occur after ingestion of silver compounds and not after ingestion of elemental silver or silverdusts are false. Many articles published in peer-reviewed scientific journals demonstrate it clearly. If needed, i can leave a list of articles or links to them on this page. 
Redecke 13:04, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: origin of argyria, "rare"

message: That actually sounds cool. I'm surprised it isn't a popular body-modification trend.
That's it? What about DYING? That probably accounts for the unpopularity of purposely contracting argyria.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.200.157.132 (talk) 03:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just saying, this seems a lot more pleasant than getting a tattoo, with fewer risks. I don't look good blue, but if'n I did...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 00:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue-gray skin and that's it? 

message: I find it utterly sick that www.Argyria.info is one of the external links provided. The site is a dis-information site by peddlers of colloidal silver made in an attempt to cover up the dangers of their quack medicine. The FDA has found that though effective concentrations of silver colloids are not safe, and safe concentrations are not effective.
The site gives next to no information about argyria; the entire page is one ranting defense of colloidal silver raising FUD about how "they" don't want you to know about it. It has no bibliography, and lacks any academic credibility; it is no better than a personal rant.
If anyone here remembers the bad old days when silver colloids poisoned our rivers due to dumping by the photographic film industry (back before digital photography decimated the industry), you would remember the disasterous effects of exposure to silver colloids. This is not to say that silver particles don't inhibit bacterial growth: they do, but it is erroneous to extrapolate from this and think that you can ingest silver colloids and have the same effect. Alcohol also kills bacteria, but if you inferred that you could ingest alcohol and kill bacterial infections, you'd be eligible for the Darwin award. The concentrations of alcohol that you'd have to ingest to kill an infection would kill you first. The same applies to colloidal silver. All support for medicinal use of colloidal silver out there comes from anecdotal accounts, but double-blind medical studies and health disasters such as poor victims of silver medicine quackery blow away any notion that silver medicine is safe nor effective.
:Hello Berkana ! website argyria.info is owned by a well known colloidal-silver selling company in Utopia/Texas.  Redecke 12:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  argyria.info is full of lies 

message: Source #1, the link about argyria reversal, is a dead link. Someone should fix this. Gary (talk) 02:19, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It can't be permanent can it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  argyria reversal 

message: Wow! Another colloidal silver enthusiast turns blue.  This is the most extreme case I've heard of:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=5573716&ch=4226726&src=news
SteveBaker (talk) 16:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be Stan Jones. Stonemason89 (talk) 01:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video footage of an EXTREME sufferer: 

message: You didnt contain the most important information what is: why exactly skin turns blue, what is the biological mechanism of that? I'm not medicine doc so I dont know wheter the mechanism is known. But I would be really curiouse what are the hypothesis  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.151.115.9 (talk) 09:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Silver is deposited under the skin as nanoparticles, which are as a rule much darker in color than bulk silver (and often bluish, as well). Stonemason89 (talk) 17:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that the silver particles tarnish eventually, exactly like silver trophies etc will tarnish, and this results in the grey colour. If you have enough partcles concentrated in a particular patch of skin, the dark colour becomes visible from the outside. Wdford (talk) 07:25, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Both may be true; the article on silver nanoparticles states: While frequently described as being 'silver' some are composed of a large percentage of silver oxide due to their large ratio of surface to bulk silver atoms. So you're probably right. Stonemason89 (talk) 01:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the machnism of turning blue 

message: Could silver work as a replacement for melanin, perhaps in people with albinism (or simply people who have the misfortune of being fair-skinned and thus more prone to sunburns and skin cancer)? I know it looks "weird" (grey, or blue-grey, instead of brown). But if the only other option is to risk getting (potentially deadly) melanoma, then maybe it wouldn't be so bad? Not that I would consider taking it myself, mind. Stonemason89 (talk) 19:53, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does this protect against sunburns? 

message: WTH? If this is to protect their identity, there are other ways. They look like right out of a zombie movie. At least explain that in the labels...--Cyberman TM (talk) 18:53, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures, eyes

message: I believe this article needs more information on the exact amounts needed to ingest daily to successfully cause argyria without poisoning oneself too much. Some of us actually want this and the lack of information on this subject is disappointing...
72.133.52.39 (talk)
I believe the cancer article needs more information on the exact amount of carcinogens needed to ingest daily to successfully cause benign tumors.  Some of us actually want this and the lack of information on this subject is disappointing...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.4.173.18 (talk) 03:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at this passive agressive liberal fucker. 181.43.151.106 (talk) 07:02, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Intentionally causing Argyria

message: I removed the following paragraph 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argyria&action=historysubmit&diff=474599148&oldid=467650172
because (for multiple reasons), this "myth" is almost certainly vandalism. (For example, Athena was a virgin.) If not, some reference of that myth in the corpus of greek mythology could have been found.
The paragraph in question had been introduced via the following edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argyria&diff=prev&oldid=444105158
That user's only contributions were three edits to this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.136.60.53 (talk) 16:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism (made up myth) 

message: The website http://www.csfacts.com/pages/jones.html is used four times in the bit about Stan Jones.  Is there any evidence that this is a reliable source for anything?  It seems to be just a collection of largely pro-silver ingestion commentary and advertisements for cs products.  If nobody objects I will remove it as a source and replace what I can from the abc and telegraph stories which are reliable.Desoto10 (talk) 03:20, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  csfacts website 

message: The picture being used here is extremely misleading if it is indeed true that Argyria causes no peripheral symptoms. At the very least, someone needs to explain why the man in the picture is severely malnourished if not for the Argyria. Otherwise, let's find a depiction of a different person suffering from the disease.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.40.69.215 (talk) 20:04, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the image.  You're right, there's no good reason to be using that specific image.  It's akin to using a gunshot victim's image in an article about zits; there's no stated correlation between the argyria and the much more noticeable poor health of the individual in general.  There's nothing to explain any possible relation between the two symptoms (and I've seen nothing to state that they would be linked elsewhere), so I've removed it as a poor good faith attempt to provide a free use image.  Some other editor might be interested in finding a replacement. Human.v2.0 (talk) 22:58, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: What is "inappropriate" exposure to silver? Is this too little silver or too much? Or indeed is any level of exposure to silver inappropriate? Evidently from the rest of the article it results from too much silver... so why not just say that? Lesion (talk) 23:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead definition could be clarified 

message: Research Letter | June 2015
Colloidal Silver: Dangerous and Readily Available
Griffith R, Simmons BJ, Abyaneh M, Bray FN, Falto-Aizpurua LA, Nouri K.
JAMA Dermatol. 2015;151(6):667-668. doi:10.1001/jamadermatol.2015.120.
http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleID=2214158
--Nbauman (talk) 05:33, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  JAMA Dermatology 2015 

message: I have added a disputed tag because certain sections seem to be non-neutral and have factual errors. In particular, the second-to-last paragraph in Pathophysiology and the first paragraph about Stan Jones in Society & Culture  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.141.232 (talk) 12:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that statements about "careful use"violate NPOV.  If there is a pharmacological toxicity threshold at which adverse effects appear then it is proper to state what is the dose range below that that threshold.  "Careful" is medically useless terminology. "Careful" is very subjective and some of the blue-tinted people insist they were being careful.  I also agree the paragraph about Stan Jones is problematic but it is not apparent what is factually incorrect.  I object to language that states that "Jones continues to promote silver" based on a reference from 2002.  This is a historical anecdote and should be described and referenced as such.Lapabc (talk) 20:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You can object to "continues" more concretely based on WP:RELTIME, and I've altered the statement to avoid present tense accordingly (as well as a couple of other, similar cases). Mathglot (talk) 07:57, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed