Talk:Schnitzel

message: I have the article overhauled. There is a different usage of the word schnitzel in the german and english language. In german the word schnitzel means escalope. In english the word schnitzel stems from the term Wiener Schnitzel and means all kinds of breaded flat pieces of fried meat.--MBelzer (talk) 23:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article overhauled 

message: It's not a L. American dish, it's Argentinian and Uruguayan (and it has its origin in the Nothern Italian immigrants).  It was later adopted in a couple of countries for influence but it's not a typical dish there).
:Disculpe, pero no estoy de acuerdo.. Milanesas are widely known in Mexico, and a quick google of "milanesa" turns up a recipe in Portuguese! Basically, milanesas and cotoletti alla milanese turn up about anywhere Northern Italians settled, eg: I can get real cotoletti or milanesas right here in Chicago. Uruguay and Argentina are Latin American countries (more "latin" than Mexico!) so even at that, describing it as Latin American would be correct. Tubezone 07:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Milanesa

message: I read that Schnitzels have originated from a German/Austrian town known as Schnitzelheim, Does anyone know where this town is?
User:Winky Bill 21 August 2007, 02:23AM (UTC)
:There is no article on Schnitzelheim but a redirect here.  I find it unlikely, seeing that the name means 'home of the schnitzel,' unless the name was changed.  Schnitzel just means cutlet, anyway.  I'll remove it.  Reywas92Talk 19:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Schnitzelheim: The home origin?

message: Where does the Cordon Blue have its name from? --Abdull 16:25, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure; the Oxford food dictionary should say.  My two guesses are: from Le Cordon Bleu who may have come up with it (unlikely, it sounds a little plebian for them); or it is a "blue ribbon" dish due its richness: ham, lots of cheese, all rolled up in chicken.  Mmmm.  --Mgreenbe 19:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another story: Cordon bleu was prepared for the first time at the celebration of the fastest crossing of the Atlantic ocean (1929). The price for the fastest crossing is a Blue Riband. --193.170.53.50 23:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I completely agree. Emika22 (talk) 10:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cordon Bleu 

message: There is some confusion in the article: Schnitzel in general simply means a slice of meat, a cutlet without bone. The Wiener Schnitzel ist just one meal made from veal schnitzel. Jägerschitzel, Cordon bleu etc. are not a kind of Wiener Schitzel but of schnitzel. :de:User:Rainer Zenz12:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, the article should be named "Schnitzel" and types of schnitzel should redirect
I comepletely agree. I'm from Germany and the common used general term is indeed Schnitzel. Wiener Schnitzel is but a variant or a flavor if you wish. Using that as the main term and page header is like using "Super Texas Burger with extra Bacon" as header for Hamburger. --24.163.247.9 05:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks like we have a battle going on here between the Germans and the Osterreichers, huh? What's next, an argument over whether hot dogs are wieners or frankfurters? ;-) I side with the Germans on this one, a schnitzel's a schnitzel, like a taco is a taco or a sausage is a sausage. Wiener just means it's version typical of Wien, Vienna.Tubezone 07:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Since no one has moved to fix this as yet, and the current article clearly deals with all schnitzel variants, I'm about to move the article to Schnitzel and correct the interwikis. Please discuss any further moves. Cheers, ליאור (talk) 21:05, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Schnitzel vs. Wiener Schitzel

message: This article has been classified as a start. Its importance is mid as assessed by the person from WikiProject Food and Drink. Capitalistroadster 06:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Start classification

message: Wiener Schnitzel made from pork or something is not Wiener Schnitzel. Ask any Austrian or Bavarian. That reference really needs to be removed.
::Yes, it`s veal to be exact. And I dont understand why it`s linked to jewish cuisine, since when are combinations of egg, milk and meat kosher?
::i will actually argue this, growing up in Bavaria, it was always made of pork when i had it.  veal is what the rich people had, the rest of us had pork.  Stregamama (talk) 02:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nö, it is by definied by law: a "Wiener Schnitzel" must be veal, the one from pork is "Schnitzel Wiener Art". 195.50.183.202 (talk) 07:10, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll supply a (german) reference:  195.50.183.202 (talk) 08:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's always beef! 

message: I have indulged in a little cleanup, however the article could still need some good sources. Hopefully someone will provide them. --Catgut (talk) 10:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also eliminated the template referring to WikiProject Germany as there is no connection between the article's topic and/or content and Germany. Obviously some case of misunderstanding. Equally unclear is the reason for the template referring to WikiProjekt Judaism, though the article cites an Israeli variant of the Wiener schnitzel. But there are several national variants, and the talk page would get quite long if every national WikiProject put a template on it. I'll wait and see, and if there is no objection I'll also remove the other template. --Catgut (talk) 15:54, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Judaism template can be removed; it is unlikely that Jews really associate themselves with Wiener Schnitzel.  Matzo or Latkes, but not schnitzel.  However, the category in the article for German Cuisine should be kept, as it is obviously very popular in Germany, even if it came from Austria.  I do think the Israeli cuisione cat should be removed, though.  People rarely associate schnitzel with Israel.  Reywas92Talk 22:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for commenting on the issue. For sure Wiener schnitzel is popular in Germany. I mean it's obviously popular all over the world. That doesn't mean it's German cuisine. There is a lot of food that's popular in Germany, let's say hamburgers and hot dogs and all kinds of pasta. You wouldn't call that German cuisine, would you? Anyway, there is no logical explanation why Wiener schnitzel should belong to German cuisine. And no source. I even researched German wikipedia, and their article on Wiener schnitzel clearly states that it is Oesterreichische Kueche, Wiener Kueche (Austrian cuisine, Viennese cuisine). I guess one can trust them. Let's stick to the facts. Concerning the Judaism template I share your opinion. I can't see Wiener schnitzel being part of typically Jewish cuisine or Jewish culture in general. There is no source for that either. --Catgut (talk) 22:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wiener Schitzel might not be German Cuisine, Schnitzel. is  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.159.248 (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I just corrected the part "Germany". Who the hell wrote, that we have "Schnitzel am Spieß" (on a stick)? I've never seen such a thing, and I've been living here for 27 years. 
By the way: Wiener Schnitzel is not the same as a common 'Schnitzel', but just a way of making it. Other types are shown in the section of the same name; most types are common German cuisine.
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Also, the correct phrase for Wiener Schnitzel in the German language is not Viennese Schnitzel. Never heard it, I'm German, I approve "Wiener Schnitzel". :)
:You eat deer with cranberry sauce but Schnitzel? Even asked my Mother who made her vocational education in a delicatessen store - she never heard about it either. Is there a source that it's common anywhere in Germany? I live far in the west so it could be common in e.g. Bavaria -- 85.146.52.115 (talk) 16:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As a born Austrian I have to admit that its a tradition in my family to serve Schnitzel with cranberry-jam (ie Preiselbeeren), though its not the authentic way in Austria to do so. Just for the protocol. -- 178.113.142.139 (talk) 22:31, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Schnitzel in Germany

message: I've been reading some professional food journals and although they cite this dish as a very speculative possiblity to have influenced/inspired Weiner Schnitzel all are quick to point out that there is no verifiable information to substatiate this.
Does anyone have any referancable work that can substantiate this?   If not,  I don't believe it belongs in the the body of this article as a fact (needing citations to support it) or it needs to be clarified as a specualtive statment. Even the best food historians I could find can weight this akin to foklore.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.238.13.242 (talk) 00:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In short, it was made up. A guy named Heinz Dieter Pohl proved that the story of Radetzky was invented 1969 for an Italian Gastro-Guide (Guida gastronomica d'Italia), that was also printed in German Language 1971. Its the oldest source that can be found mentioning the story about the Costoletta Milanese and that Radetzky brought it to Austria as Wiener Schnitzel. Further proof is that in Austrian Cuisine its typical to keep the names of imported dishes, and that before the Schnitzel gained popularity there allready was a dish called Wiener Backhendl, pieces of chicken that are prepared in a similar way like the Wiener Schnitzel.-- 178.113.142.139 (talk) 22:24, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cotoletta alla milanese 

message: I'm just curious, does anyone know of people of any nationality besides Australians who pronounce this "snitzel"? i.e. dropping the 'h'  --Tyranny Sue (talk) 11:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation guide would be good to add 

message: Shouldn't it be "wiener schnitzel" (article name "Wiener schnitzel"), not "Wiener Schnitzel"?   Apparently, in Germany the term is usually capitalized but in English (per online dictionaries), usually not. - Wikidemon (talk) 16:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: Is that the :de:Pariser Schnitzel (Paris-style Schnitzel) in Austria and France?--Carski (talk) 10:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hamburger Schnitzel

message: As stated above under Talk:Wiener_Schnitzel#Schnitzel_vs._Wiener_Schitzel, this article is pretty messed up, summing up all kinds of Schnitzels, even Chickenschnitzel (argh!) under the very particular Wiener Schnitzel. To work this out would be quite an undertaking. -- Seelefant (talk) 20:44, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  one messed-up lemma 

message: Gordon bleu was invented in Switzerland and not in France!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.90.207.2 (talk) 05:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It fits my picture of the Swiss that they apparently like to eat Gordon.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.54.154.163 (talk) 11:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gordon bleu 

message: This article duplicates Wiener schnitzel which is not only wasteful, it's inappropriate, as has been observed before. The word just means "cutlet" -- you can get beef, pork, veal, chicken, turkey, and it can be Wiener Art, Jaegerschitzel, Naturschnitzel, Zuerich style --  etc. DavidOaks (talk) 19:37, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: oops, my oversight -- but the error remains. As has been observed, "Schnitzel" is a German word meaning simply and literally "cutlet," morphem for morpheme. The content currently on this page belongs under "Wiener Schnitzel," which should be a page, not a redirect. And here, if there's a page at all, should be the following, and nothing but:
Schnitzel () is a German word equivalent to "cutlet" -- a thin, boneless steak suitable for a single serving.
The only way I (with my limited wikiskills) know to do this is a cut-&-paste operation, but that would really mess up the history and the talk page, I think. Anybody else who's watching know how? What's here is as unacceptable as naming a page "steak" and discussing exclusively the bacon-wrapped filet mignon. DavidOaks (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixing it

message: A Google search for "manatee schnitzel" finds no hits other than those that seem derived from this article, I believe this is a prank edit. No source is cited. 
Manatee Schnitzel: served with dark mushroom sauce. (often served at the Yale Club)
Diderot08 (talk) 04:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:   Manatee Schnitzel, Reason for Removing 

message: Is schnitzel ever served or eaten with noodles? 157.139.9.155 (talk) 14:49, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thread necromancy. I have an Austrian friend who swears nobody would ever do such a thing. But Spätzle are a type of noodle (more of a dumpling), and are served with Schnitzel, so its a reasonable lyric imo. Gaijin42 (talk) 17:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound of Music? 

message: Chicken fried steak is another American variant of Weiner Schnitzel.  It is popular in the south central and southwestern regions of the country.  Chicken fried steak is made from round steak that has been pounded thin with a texturizing mallet.  Once texturized, the meat is then coated with flour and then dipped in an egg/milk wash followed by another coat of flour which is often seasoned and mixed with cracker crumbs much like fried chicken, hence the name.  Once breaded, the meat is panfried. Chicken fried steak is often served with thinly sliced pan fried potatoes, mashed potatoes or French fries.  Often a gravy known as "cream gravy" is served with this meal.  Cream gravy is made from the pan drippings, whole milk, salt, pepper and flour.  Chicken fried steak is popular at all meals, even as a breakfast meat with eggs.  For the midday or evening meal, chicken fried steak is sometimes eaten in sandwich form.  Prepared this way, a hamburger bun is spread with mayonnaise and then the chicken fried steak is placed inside the bun along with lettuce, onion and sliced tomato.98.248.6.253 (talk) 21:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  American variant of Weiner Scnitzel 

message: Here in Germany, a schnitzel is not always breaded, nor always (or even most of the time) hammered for tenderness. In fact, at least among the people I know, hammering meat is considered either an old-fashioned or a Russian custom, and is considered ruining the meat. Are these two things really part of the definition of what should count as a schnitzel in the English language? -- 92.226.93.154 (talk) 00:37, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I did Google searches for 'schnizel recipe' and 'schnitzel rezept', as well as image searches, and it seems quite clear that schnitzel is both breaded and hammered. Reywas92Talk 02:07, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No. There are different terms of usage of the word schnitzel in german and englisch speaking countries. The german word schnitzel means escalope in english. The english term schnitzel means breaded flat meat.--MBelzer (talk) 23:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The original Wiener Schnitzel is hammered and breaded. The english terms schnitzel means breaded flat pieces of fried meat in general.--MBelzer (talk) 23:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does it have to be breaded and hammered? 

message: Let me see if I have this right: 
In Germany, schnitzel is almost always pork, but by law, "Wiener schnitzel" must be veal. However, recently it has come to mean any breaded steak[see below]. The steak wiki says "steak", without qualification, refers to beefsteak. So, in Germany, "Wiener schnitzel" by law must be veal, regular "schnitzel" is usually pork, but also [informally?] means any breaded beefsteak (which excludes pork and technically veal because beef and veal are not synonymous per veal wiki).
So it could be pork, could be beef, could be veal.  
As noted on the Wiener Schnitzel page:
The Verwaltungsgericht Arnsberg 2009 decided about the acceptability of the latter name [Wiener Schnitzel vom Schwein]. The result was that in common parlance in Germany, a "Wiener Schnitzel" no more referred exclusively to a veal dish, but instead to a breaded steak in general.
Sorry I don't have proper  I'm on my ipad.
Markalankennedy (talk) 17:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification please 

message: Piccatahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccata is a stub and as described, defines a meal within the boundaries of the general schnitzel pagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schnitzel. Because this article is separated there is no entry for Italy on this page under countries and piccata remains a small note on the bottom. Only reason to keep this separate would be if wikiproject Italy was intending to substantially expand information beyond it's current form (which could easily fit on the general page) and fix references.
Secondlastmanalive (talk) 21:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

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thread_title: Relevance

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