Talk:Los Angeles Times v. Free Republic

message: I suggest that too much is being quoted from ancilliary material. To illustrate, I post here what I would keep of the complaint, rather than edit the original.  
[edit]1 The original complaint
Complaint for Copyright Infringement.
Case: Los Angeles Times v. Free Republic.
Court: U.S. District Court, C.D.Cal., Case No. 98-7840 MMM(AJWx).
Date filed: September 28, 1998.
The original complaint alleged (among other arguments) that[2] :
15. The Infringing Website [Free Republic] consists of hundreds if not thousands of copyrighted articles from competing "name-brand" news sources, including, among others, the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post. Articles from Plaintiffs' websites and other would-be competitors' websites are literally copied onto and posted on Defendants' website -- 
17. For their own profit and advantage, Defendants [Free Republic] are misappropriating the non-transformed, copyrighted material in which each Plaintiff [Los Angeles Times, Washington Post et al] has invested heavily. Defendants' website relies on the copyrighted content of Plaintiffs' newspapers and websites to attract readers, and to subject those readers to Defendants' and others' advertising and promotional material. ...
The petition for relief asked that the court:
A. Declare that Defendants' unauthorized conduct violates Plaintiffs' rights under common law and the Federal Copyright Act;
B. [and] enjoining Defendants... from copying and republishing any of Plaintiffs' copyrighted articles  ...
C. Ordering Defendants to account to Plaintiffs for all gains, ,,,, and since Defendants intentionally infringed plaintiffs' copyrights, for the maximum allowable statutory damages for each violation;
...
I might add
"22.   Plaintiffs have no objection to Defendants discussing the content and ideas expressed in Plaintiffs' articles [or]... use of plain hypertext links to Plaintiffs' websites such that Defendants' users would have easy access to Plaintiffs' copyrighted articles. ...
Robinson characterized the ensuing court battle as:
a life and death struggle with elements of the socialist propaganda machine, namely, the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post.
::best reason to abridge -- there will be a lot more coming.  I would be tempted to skip to the judgment. DGG 01:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: how much to quote

message: ... if you choose to quote 317 words from every piece of paper filed by the Plaintiffs. Summarize, summarize, summarize. -- BryanFromPalatine 19:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This will become a very long article

message: Because it has been a practice of Free Republic to allow and even encourage its users to copy and paste copyrighted news stories in their entirety to its discussion boards, Free Republic was sued by The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times for federal copyright infringement. . The case often cited in Cyberlaw is referred to as L.A. Times v. Free Republic. Many members viewed the lawsuit as a conspiracy by the "liberal media" to stifle the organization; founder Robinson referred to the suit as "a life and death struggle with elements of the socialist propaganda machine."[www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/707390/posts]  Free Republic's defense claimed that the site was non-profit, argued Fair Use,  First Amendment, and that its use was 'transformative'. All these arguments were overuled and/or disallowed.  The federal trial court judge ruled against Free Republic and awarded a summary judgment for $1,000,000 in damages to the two newspapers, plus attorney's fees. Free Republic announced their intent to appeal this decision to the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, and filed a brief, but chose another avenue.  In a negotiated settlement, The Los Angeles Times and Washington Post were granted a permanent injunction against Free Republic enjoing them from further copyright infringement. Free Republic removed all the full text articles and agreed to post a notice on their website describing the stipulations of the final judgement, and directed its members to cease posting copyrighted full text articles. Each paper was awarded a sum of $5,000, a significant reduction from the original award.   Users now post excerpts from copyrighted articles (as allowed by fair use), and the site filters submissions against a watchlist of "banned" sources.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fairness And Accuracy For All (talk • contribs) 07:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: text from FR article

message: Advising E Businesses s 3-10.60, s 3-10.60. Application of fair use doctrine online (2006)
	
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	 Copyright Law s 14:5, Fair Use (2006)
	 Copyright Law s 8:4.1, Illustrative Purposes Set Out in Preamble to Section 107 (2006)
	 Corporate Counsel's Guide to Copyright Law s 1:51, s 1:51. Copyright laws and the Internet--Web sites--Preventing infringement of third-party content (2007)
						
	 Corporate Counsel's Guide to Web Site Agreements s 2:10, s 2:10. Content of the web site--Preventing infringement of third-party content--Overview (2007)
	 Corp. Counsel Guide to IP: Patent, Copyright, TM, & TS s 8:51, s 8:51. Copyright laws and the Internet -- Web sites -- Preventing infringement of third-party content (2006)
	 Corporate Legal Departments App. A9, Appendix A9: Internet Law (2003)
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	 Human Resources Guide s 5:105, s 5:105. Legal concerns raised by employee blogs--Copyright and fair use doctrine (2007)
	 Internet Law and Practice s 12:17, s 12:17. Fair use (2006)
	 20A Minnesota Practice Series s 36.5, s 36.5. Copyright Law and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act -- Post DMCA case law analysis (2006)
	50 N.J. Prac. Series s 33:5, s 33:5. Copyright Law and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act--Post DMCA case law analysis (2007).
	 63 Am. Jur. Proof of Facts 3d 1, Proof of Copyright Infringement By File Sharing (2007).
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	COPYRIGHT USE AND EXCUSE ON THE INTERNET, 24 Colum.-VLA J.L. & Arts 1, 45+ (2000).
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	SHARING AND STEALING, 27 Hastings Comm. & Ent. L.J. 1, 50 (2004).
	THE FIRST AMENDMENT AS A CHECK ON COPYRIGHT RIGHTS, 23 Hastings Comm. & Ent. L.J. 587, 605+ (2001).
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	FROM THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS TO THE DIGITAL MILLENNIUM; RECENT DEVELOPMENTS IN COPYRIGHT LAW, 9 Tex. Intell. Prop. L.J. 19, 35+ (2000).
	FAIR USE IN THE DIGITAL AGE: ARE WE PLAYING FAIR?, 4 Tul. J. Tech. & Intell. Prop. 203, 221 (2002).
	THE PUBLIC DISPLAY RIGHT: THE COPYRIGHT ACT'S NEGLECTED SOLUTION TO THE CONTROVERSY OVER RAM "COPIES", 2001 U. Ill. L. Rev. 83, 150 (2001).
	GOOGLE BOOK SEARCH AND FAIR USE: ITUNES FOR AUTHORS, OR NAPSTER FOR BOOKS?, 61 U. Miami L. Rev. 87, 167+ (2006).
	FIRST AMENDMENT LIMITS ON COPYRIGHT, 55 Vand. L. Rev. 891, 951+ (2002).
	MARKET HIERARCHY AND COPYRIGHT IN OUR SYSTEM OF FREE EXPRESSION, 53 Vand. L. Rev. 1879, 1932 (2000).
	SHAPING COMPETITION ON THE INTERNET: WHO OWNS PRODUCT AND PRICING INFORMATION?, 53 Vand. L. Rev. 1965, 2006+ (2000).
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	AMATEUR-TO-AMATEUR, 46 Wm. & Mary L. Rev. 951, 986+ (2004).
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	IP AND INTERNET LITIGATION: LAW AND DEVELOPING TRENDS, 796 PLI/Pat 9, 33 (2004).
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	SUBSTANTIVE AND PROCEDURAL ASPECTS OF COPYRIGHT LITIGATION, 787 PLI/Pat 349, 386 (2004).
	COPYRIGHT CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS 2003, 779 PLI/Pat 509, 617 (2004).
	COPYRIGHT CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS, 780 PLI/Pat 161, 269 (2004).
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Eschoir 18:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cites

message: "The website homepage stated:
    "Any man, corporation or government entity who wants to challenge our right to discuss news accounts (copyrighted or not) of public policy issues or political events or of government corruption, etc., in our non-commercial, not-for-profit, public electronic townhall forum should first examine each and every word of the First Amendment above and then tell us which words they don't understand. -- Jim Robinson"
Maybe Mr. Robinson doesn't realize that the First Amendment doesn't trump Article I, Section 8, Clause 8.  But I think Wikipedia should make mention of it after Mr. Robinson's statement.
:Copyright law doesn't prohibit discussion of protected works. The problem with Free Republic was that they copied entire articles onto their site for those discussions. If Robinson's remarks have inspired comments in reliable 3rd-party sources then we might mention it, but otherwise it doesn't really seem relevant or significant.   Will Beback  talk   01:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright Clause