Talk:E-government

message: Is there any way to organize the article in a more cohesive fashion? There is valuable information in each section but it is difficult to fully understand each section when there are brand new ideas being introduced each section. Furthermore, I feel as though the article should elaborate a little more on the idea of trust and hyper-surveillance. There is not much information on the disadvantages section for trust, which can be seen as one of the major disadvantages. 
Is Government 2.0 significantly different from E-government and what the rest of the article touches upon? After looking further into Government 2.0, the ideas expressed in the section seem very similar to the definition of E-government previously established. While it seems very interesting, I question the importance and relevance of the section to the overall idea of the article. Lucaskim7 (talk) 05:18, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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message: Is there any example of governments using wikis? I think the US Defense Dept uses wikis. 205.174.22.26 (talk) 02:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikigovernment

message: I replaced "e-citizenship" with "e-democracy" in the issues section for two reasons:
# There was no wikipedia term for "e-citizenship", but "e-democracy" had been recently created.
# "E-democracy" is already in wide use as a term, whereas I've yet to see "e-citizenship" mentioned anywhere.  Correct me if I am mistaken.
# "E-democracy" and "e-citizenship" are essentially the same thing.  To be an active citizen is to be an active small-d democrat.
Stevietheman 23:32, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: E-democracy

message: What's with all the undefined terms in this article?  Is it proper to include all these here _before_ they are defined?
Stevietheman 16:45, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: e-governance does not have to include online government. There are plenty of cases where ICT systems are applied without online/web components. --rxnd ( t | € | c ) 07:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Undefined terms

message: I added the cleanup-verify tag because the quote from Nadar has no attribution. Will also add the cleanup tag and such. --Woohookitty 20:33, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: What's up with this article? No disrespect to Ericross, but this article has almost no content. It's just a bunch of bullet points. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a PowerPoint presentation. This just about deserves an AfD. Mateo LeFou 18:46, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reformat, Rewrite

message: Most of the external links should probably be deleted as only loosely-related or, at worst, spam. Someone else do it, I'm lazy. Scott Ritchie 06:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the other stuff should be deleted too. I'll see if I can draw attention to this thing by yanking the obvious spam first. Mateo LeFou 18:52, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. A disproportionate number of external links and of uneven quantity. I have done some more trimming.Tom Harris 20:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I suspect that all the 'issues' lists could be usefully removed. Perhaps they could be replaced with a much shorter statement saying that the changes brought by moves to e-government potentially impact across the board. I'm not sure that trying to enumerate all the effects is useful. Any thoughts?
Tom Harris 20:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are absolutely right.  This article was just a list of implications concerning eGovernment, without any description.  It's not encyclopedic to write "eGovernment would have a possible effect on purchasing ("ePurchasing"), voting ("eVoting"), legislation ("eLegislation")... Kaisershatner 14:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: De-list and describe?

message: A perfectly valid criticism of this article has resulted in a "cleanup".
The article is now tidier, shorter, more structured and thus more "encyclopedic".
Unfortunately, the article is also now far less useful or helpful.
The "sense of structure and simplicity" conferred by the new article (although, admittedly, the sense is not exactly effective, because the remaining content has not completely eliminated at least some of the "taxonomic promiscuity" of the subject) is itself highly POV.
The enormous list of different aspects of eGovernment (which has now been removed) sucessfully conveyed the potential (and in most cases actual) "all-pervasiveness" of eGovernment.
The new, tidy structure now gives the impression (albeit ineptly) of a more constrained, tractable topic.
This impression could not be more deceptive to anyone seeking to grasp the true implications of eGovernment.
Now the encyclopedia article reader who does not encounter an eGovernment-relevant issue (i.e, a"bullet point" on the list) which is relevant to their own occupation or personal interest will have to either remain forever in blissful ignorance or discover it elsewhere.
A laudable solution (although still inadequate in my view) would be to resurrect the "list of eGovernment-relevant issues) as a separate article and link out from the main article.
The obsession with "constrained relevance" which manifests itself in a "tidiness fetish" is so "dead trees" rather than the web, so "Brittanica" rather than Wiki, that it highlights the very shortcomings of a "traditional" attitude to encyclopedia articles.
Be structured, be brief, be tidy, when the topic is crisply defined using broadly accepted definitions.
When the subject has the taxonomic promiscuity and flux evident in eGovernment, the most use a reader can gain is to acquire a sense of the sheer scope and diversity of the issues that it affects, something that a well linked and commented list is best suited to provide, something that the very limitations of a paper encyclopedia article, with its exclusive dependence upon clarity and structure, cannot effectively satisfy.
- Just a brief comment that some of the abovementioned points sound good. In general, I think the entire e-gov entry should be completely rewritten, as the definitions are not the best possible ones, and the structure simply does not work well enough. The first paragraph is close to satisfactory as a brief introduction, but the following technology-driven section should be more systematic and be placed to some later numbered section of this article rather than being part of the introduction. And the random reference to UK and e-voting at the end of the introductory part sounds very strange. In addition, "the development and implementation issues" section should be rewritten and some new sub-sections should be added. This sections should start from e-gov development stage model and e-readiness issues and then address e-development and related issues. Lastly, as to the "big picture" of e-government-related topics discussed earlier in this site, the list of contents we drafted for the Encyclopedia of Digital Government might give a starting-point: http://www.idea-group.com/reference/details.asp?ID=5066&v=tableOfContents
Best, Ari-Veikko (kuaran @ uta.fi).
:I do not agree with the original poster (though I have much sympathy with Ari-Veikko's arguments). An encyclopedia is an organised body of information; if a topic is emerging or in flux, we should describe this, not exemplify it with a confusing body of random information which is of no use to anyone. There is no way that every aspect of e-government can be contained within a list, any more than all the aspects of physics could be. There may be no need to be especially brief online, but being structured and tidy is still vital. Tom Harris 20:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The "cleaned up" article is now an excellent example of "encyclopedia pathology"

message: This E-Development: From Excitement to Effectiveness, a World Bank publication edited by Robert Schware includes a chapter (5) on 'The Basic Building Blocks of E-Government' contributed by Randeep Sudan appears to have been added by the author User:Sudanr.  I've moved it here for other editors to assess in accordance with our conflict of interest and external links guidelines.  -- Siobhan Hansa 21:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Basic Building Blocks of E-Government external link 

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thread_title:  Hyphen in Title restriction note? 

message: I do not like the MSC Malaysia template on the bottom of the article.  It would be more suitable on an article on e-governance in Malaysia.  Even though I see above that there has been a lot of work on this article, there is more to be wished in terms of structure and content. --rxnd ( t | € | c ) 05:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. Tom Harris 20:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[MSC Malaysia]] 

message: §Anyone can give the answer for this question :
"Describe the tachnological factors as constitute the key components that should be considered in developing e-government to be succeeded"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.53.19.116 (talk) 04:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  help me.... 

message: Moved from article page.  Originally posted by 216.147.134.2:
I would suggest placing www.eRepublic.org here as a general resource, as I have found it has a website that is providing around the world coverage of current national government websites and more notable, from my view, more equal coverage than other sources, the same level of information for lesser developed countries, such as those in Africa.  SiobhanHansa 17:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested external link 

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thread_title:  Dead link 

message: It would be interesting to incorporate references in other languages, references to experts and thoughts in other languages that enrich the content. I have been navigating and there are good references about specialists in french language or spanish. I suggest to look for example Mauro D. Ríos or Leonardo Corte, only to choose two.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.64.3.110 (talk) 00:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other sources 

message: "E-government is government’s use of information and communication technologies, particularly Web-based applications, to support responsive and cost-effective government by facilitating administrative and managerial functions, providing citizens and stakeholders with convenient access to government information and services, facilitating interaction and transactions with stakeholders, and providing better opportunities to participate in democratic institutions and processes." In: Anttiroiko, A.-V. (Ed.) Electronic Government: Concepts, Methodologies, Tools, and Applications. Hershey: Information Science Reference, 2008).
http://www.igi-global.com/reference/details.asp?id=6942  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.155.236.48 (talk) 15:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: --59.57.253.162 (talk) 12:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  SOA and E-government 

message: There are several approaches to rate and compare e-Government policies and their efficiency.
In the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Government the UN rating is proposed.
This is a specific view of the subject and other ratings give other ranks very different because the point of view is different.
Another issue is that there is nothing in the Business to Governmen article. I think that the subject is of paramount importance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.53.22.162 (talk) 11:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 1 = Sweden, mbork mbork!! ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 10:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  e-Government rating 

message: At the time of writing this post there are only two countries included in the list (Canada and US). I consider presenting the situation on eGovernment in Europe, both at the EU level and at the country level. Is this considered ok? I'd like a second opinion before starting writing, just to avoid the hassle in case there is a fundamental reason why I should not do so. The references I have in mind are websites of the European Commission and national government eGovernment portals presenting the situation in each country.
Another issue I am considering is whether this information should be included in the relevant countries' pages in Wikipedia and referenced here only.
Rentzepopoulos (talk) 14:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  e-Governance by country 

message: The 18 reference link, about the Cost of eGovernment points to an article in The Economist which requires registration to that publication/site.
http://www.economist.com/surveys/displaystory.cfm?STORY_ID=10638105
¿Should it be removed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.70.14.212 (talk) 15:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link requires registration 

message: In the "USA e-government" section, it starts out with "The election of Barack Obama as President of the United States has become associated with the effective use of Internet technologies during his campaign, and in the implementation of his new government in 2009.[37][38][39]" 
Is campaign use of technology a part of e-government?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.234.12.235 (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It should be in there only if it is serving to introduce the rest of the article (which seems to be the intent but may not be clear). Also, the USA e-gov't section doesn't speak at all to past presidencies or state/municipal examples of implementation. E-gov is hardly a federal phenomenon. I will come back to some of this later  with edits if I find the time. - Boonefrog (talk) 20:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Obama's campaign really be considered a part of e-government? 

message: When reading this article from Spain, I find it very much biased towards (or based on, concerned with, using info on) the US and its own particular form/status of e-government.  Shouldn't the US-specific information be better placed in its own section, including references to the FBI, 9/11 issues, etc.?  A lot of the information here doesn't apply to other countries or e-governments!
Warm regards from Spain, Ela Huguet  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.46.105.121 (talk) 17:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased towards US 

message: The information about G4C models used in Korea e-Government is absent in this article. See:
# S. Y Moon (2010), Managing IT and e-Government: the Korean Case. Chongmok Publishing Co. 
# http://www.korea.go.kr 
-- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 16:02, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  G4C model 

message: I noticed that when I searchd for Gov 2.0 I was re-directed to E Government.  My understanding is that Gov 2.0, 'government as platform' is really a distinct and notable concept that has generated quite a bit of interest and articles.  Here are some links that illustrate this point. 
Tim O'Reilly - Government as Platform 
http://ofps.oreilly.com/titles/9780596804350/defining_government_2_0_lessons_learned_.html
With GOV.UK, British government redefines the online government platform
http://radar.oreilly.com/2012/01/with-govuk-british-government.html
Gov 2.0: Now the real work begins
http://fcw.com/articles/2012/01/15/feat-watch-list-gov-2.aspx
I'm interested in starting a distinct article on Gov 2.0, I'm very curious in what this community thinks?
Tannians (talk) 14:54, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that you should be bold and start your article. Rentzepopoulos (talk) 12:39, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gov 2.0 Redirect? 

message: The "Transformational Government" article has very little information and seems basically to be an advert for a specific set of policies, though it is hard to tell because it is so vague. I think that there may still be a bit of useful information that could be pulled out of it though, this article seems to be the most associated with it, and the sources could be useful; but it really doesn't seem like it would stand on its own as an article. Comments? anamedperson (talk) 04:39, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the Homepage for the OASIS Technical Committee that has developed the Transformational Government Framework standard - https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=tgf.  The standard contains a full explanation of Transformational Government and how it takes the earlier work on e-Government to another level.  e-Gov and TG are definitely not the same thing and it is important to understand how one has evolved into the other.  User:JohnBorras Johnborras (talk) 09:12, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Transformational Government]] 

message: Use of the full list runs afoul of copyright. See WP:Copyright in lists for an essay which outlines exactly why this is. 's edit summary in the latest restoration of the content actually outlines the 2 major points, actually: 
*Choice of criteria lies on the source itself, not to be decided by a Wikipedia user. Precisely! The fact that the source has its own criteria for formation of the list means that it is copyrighted due to the creativity that went into forming it. Things like a list of the most populous countries, or largest cities by area, are based on non-arguable facts, therefore no creativity goes into them. This list is formed by "i) the state of e-government readiness; and ii) the extent of e-participation", which are subjective criteria that are each further based on some creative formula. 
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All rights reserved" followed by some more specific disclaimers about what you can't do with this content. Such a disclaimer demonstrates a copyright violation anywhere else on Wikipedia, and does so here as well. 
Therefore, I will be removing this list once again. If a full official copyright investigation is desired, I'll be glad to open one. Thanks, CrowCaw 17:14, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright of the full list 

message: This article is not consistent in its capitalization of e-Government. The title is E-Government (which is partly a technical restriction but can be bypassed with the  template), the lead has it as E-government, and then we have section titles like "UN e-Government Development Index" and "Examples of e-government and e-governance."
Part of the problem is that the sources don't seem to agree either. A google search for e-government gives Office of E-Government & Information Technology, e-Governance | National Portal of India, Kingdom of Bahrain - eGovernment Portal, and the list goes on....
While I'm on the topic, it doesn't appear there is consistency across the various e-whatever articles either: We have E-democracy,  E-Government Act of 2002, E-Government in Saudi Arabia, E-government in Pakistan, e-participation, e-Estonia (which I created), and probably a ton of others. It would be nice if these articles all matched each other. It's a bit of a mess as it is.  DiscantX 02:24, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: As 'government' is not a proper noun in this instance (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization)), this article ought to be moved to e-government over the current redirect. GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:43, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
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message: I don't see a clear distinction. The word "e-governance" has been used several times in this talk page and in the article itself. Oicumayberight (talk) 17:18, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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* Digital Government Portal
* Network of e-Government Leaders of Latin America and the Caribbean (RED GEALC)
* Free Software (Open Source) platform initiative for e-government
* University of Illinois at Chicago e-Government Online Certificate Program
* University of Illinois at Chicago e-Government Workshop
* International Conference on Electronic Governance
* Center for Electronic Governance at UN University – IIST
* eGovernment at W3C
* e-Governance Academy
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* e-government at Publicservice.co.uk
* e-Government Project RISER "Address Verification online in Europe"
* Informatics: An e-Government Publication from National Informatics Center, India"
* Semiconductor technology in eGovernment
* USAFacts
* e-Government Portals with UN Rankings
- David Gerard (talk) 17:38, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Excessive external links moved from page

message: These two concepts seem to be highly interlinked, perhaps almost identical. Last article in :Category:Articles with a promotional tone from August 2008, the oldest category of this type. – Teratix ₵ 03:55, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of Transformational Government into E-government 

message: The section on UN_e-Government_Development_Index needs the following image:
EGDI-levels by country 2020, see map request November 2020 here
--Genetics4good (talk) 11:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Image needed

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: * I came across a ~1500 page book, Electronic Government: Concepts, Methodologies, Tools and Applications, which mentions the use of computerized military simulations as part of "Electronic Government". I expect there to be more books that adopt that wider definition. The accuracy of our definition (which focuses on providing services to citizens) merits significant scrutiny.
* E-governance and E-government are on different pages; but I don't believe the distinction is well-supported enough. Should be scrutinized too.
DFlhb (talk) 21:33, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  E-governance merge, and definition of both terms 

message: Should we include this: 
A suggested approach to crowdsourcing government policy analysis incorporates techniques from conflict resolution, formal logic, cost-benefit analysis, and the now public-domain Google Page Rank algorithm. The Harvard Negotiation Project, as well as books such as Getting to Yes by Roger Fisher and William Ury, propose a framework that avoids bargaining over positions, separates people from problems, focuses on interests rather than positions, invents options for mutual gain, and insists on objective criteria.
This framework is geared towards analyzing the pros and cons of each issue. Pro/con arguments would be categorized by the community as either arguments or evidence (or data), with further classification based on truth, relevance, or importance agreement or disagreement. This formal logic would also be used to crowdsource costs and benefits, with reasons to agree or disagree on the likelihood or significance of each.
Building upon the concept of Google's Pagerank algorithm, which evaluates a webpage's strength based on the number and quality of its links, a similar mathematical approach could be used. This approach, called 'ReasonRank', would measure the strength of reasons for agreement or disagreement, considering the quantity and quality of supporting evidence and arguments. This methodology ties the strength of findings to the strength of the evidence supporting them. Reasons backed by more robust evidence would, therefore, carry greater weight when supporting other conclusions. To ensure accurate measurements, a separate algorithm would be employed to group similar statements expressing the same idea, thereby avoiding the issue of double-counting.Myclob (talk) 18:49, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ReasonRank