Talk:Cousin

message: "Non-blood relations
Stepcousins are either stepchildren of an individual's aunt or uncle, nieces and nephews of one's stepparent, or the children of one's parent's stepsibling. Cousins in law are the cousins of a person's spouse or the spouse of a person's cousin. Neither of these relationships have consanguinity."
Whether or not steprelations involve consanguinity depends on how you define it. Suppose a widower marries his brother's widow. If a stepmother is defined as a "new" mother then her children are the widower's stepchildren as well as his nephews and nieces. They are also the widower's children's stepsiblings as well as their first cousins. If consanguinity supersedes steprelationships, then the children are only cousins, not stepsiblings, although the widow must still be a stepmother, since she is not a blood relation of the widower or his children. 96.237.184.103 (talk) 18:01, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: *EDIT* I think people are confusing the relative with the relationship. the step cousin relationship is not consanguineous, although a given step cousin may be.198.151.8.4 (talk) 17:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is that saying step-relationships do not involve consanguinity is true but misleading. It is true in that step-relationships do not confer consanguinity, but misleading in that it reinforces the mistaken idea that step-relations cannot share consanguinity. Better to say step-relationships are not necessarily consanguineous, or are not consanguineous as such. 108.20.114.62 (talk) 13:09, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That only makes it worse, as it is not only misleading but wrong, all step-relationships are necessarily NOT consanguineous, that is the point of the section. You want to clear up potential confusion by making the statement incorrect? That your step brother may also be your cousin, which is consanguineous, is true of every other relationship here. You would need to add a exception to every relationship, like your second cousin may also be your first cousin through a different branch of the family tree, your aunt may also be your second cousin once removed. I could go on forever. Basically it is just a bad idea. 67.252.6.84 (talk) 11:54, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Your point is incorrect. This is talking about the relationship, not the relative. A relationship is a way of being connected to another person, and is not a person. The relationship is never consanguineous. That relatives can have other relationships is true of almost every relationship. Changing the page this way would be a disaster and would deliberately create confusion, and if you do not desire to change the page, why comment?192.26.8.4 (talk) 12:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-blood? 

message: Commonly, "cousin" refers to a "first cousin" or equivalently "full cousin", people whose most recent common ancestor is a grandparent. 
this is wrong...half-cousins (half-first cousins, the children of half-siblings) share a grandparent as their most recent common ancestor...do you really think half-cousin is the same thing as full cousin?... 96.237.184.103 (talk) 17:19, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so too, I corrected it pending further discussion. Gap9551 (talk) 11:40, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  first sentence wrong! 

message: When you say a relative is a 1st cousin 1x removed, would it not be more specific to say if it was removed up or down a generation. Your parent’s 1st cousin and your 1st cousin’s child are both your 1st cousin 1x removed but are clearly of different generations. From the other person’s perspective the up or down part is reversed, but this is no different to parent and child, or niece/nephew and aunt/uncle. So your parent’s 1st cousin is your 1st cousin 1x removed UP, and your 1st cousin’s child is your 1st cousin 1x removed DOWN. Would that not make sense?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.61.183 (talk) 06:26, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at second uncle / cousin uncle in the alternate definitions section.198.151.8.4 (talk) 15:39, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed - Up / Down  

message: The Wiki equivalent is "Verwandtschaftsbeziehung"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephanie Do (talk • contribs) 20:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  German 

message: There have been some recent changes to this article where people have been putting up unsourced information in the example section.
First this is the examples section. No new material should be being introduced into the examples section. Some of this information may be relevant to the section that talks about the specific relationship that is being given an example of.
Second much of this information is not relevant. And doesn't help illuminate the types of relationships being discussed. Some of the words are not coming enough to be discussed in this setting. This is not a dictionary this is an encyclopedia article.
the examples section is far too long already and makes the article hard to read. Bobshmit (talk) 13:09, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of unsourced information 

message: The article states "Parallel and cross cousins on the other hand are reciprocal relationships". I grant parallel cousins are reciprocal relationships...but why are cross cousins defined as reciprocal? The daughter of my mother's brother would be my maternal cousin but I would be her paternal cousin. Not reciprocal. 
--Meteor  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.110.195.254 (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: got it exactly backwards even though you have all the facts right. Maybe you can help clear up the text for better comprehension. Reciprocal means that on both sides of the relationship they have the same relation to each other. For example siblings are reciprocal relationships, as both parties are siblings to each other. Sister is not a reciprocal relationship as my relation to my sister maybe either as a sister or a brother. One side of the relationship is sister, the other side can be brother or sister, therefore not reciprocal. Both sides of a cross cousin relationship necessarily see each other as cross cousins (regardless of maternal or paternal). Therefore the relationship is reciprocal.192.26.8.4 (talk) 18:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: reciprocal?

message: While I’m happy to see the mention of second uncle/aunt/nephew/niece used for first cousin once removed…
#This usage is also found in English, both historically and today, albeit very infrequently, 
#This is the only way to say first cousin once removed in Spanish…tio segundo, tia segunda, sobrino segundo, sobrina segunda. These will sometimes be translated as second cousin but that’s wrong.
#While the Mennonite citation confirms that they use the alternate term “cousin-uncle,” it doesn’t say what they mean by it, and it doesn’t sound like the author actually knows: “They seemed to treasure genetic relations in a way I had not encountered before, using such relational designations as cousin-uncle." Well, if he had no connection at all with either his parents’ first cousins or his own first cousins’ children, then his “not encountered before” would make sense. But I think most people do to some extent…we do in my family. So that’s not treasuring genetic relations, it’s just normal family. Add to that the weaselly use of “seemed,” and I wouldn’t judge this author as dependable. 71.162.113.226 (talk) 14:34, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I know i cheated with that citation, i could not find a better one to justify its inclusion, please help. Although I suspect #3 is correct, i can find no citations. How people say things in another language may be less important for this page though. Those lists can get long as everyone wants to add there language to the list, and after a while it ends up providing little value.192.26.8.4 (talk) 12:40, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

text: I did what i thought was best. If you want to change it further, do so yourself, but be sure to gain consensus, If you don't, I will revert. Remember Wikipedia English is international not Wikipedia America. Spanish's prominence in american culture has nothing to do with cousins or the English language, therefore it should not be specifically included for these reasons. 192.26.8.4 (talk) 15:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

text: I do doubt it, they do not say second cousin as neither second, nor cousin is in the Spanish language, your inference that they must be inharated from each other, or that what Spanish uses can be literally translated as second uncle, is what you are implicitly trying to say. for the first, find a reference, for the second, its not at all useful in English Wikipedia. but might be useful in Wiktionary.192.26.8.4 (talk) 17:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is rough, the whole no original research thing, it makes it real hard. I still don't see how a Spanish translation is important on an English page that is not about something innately Spanish, but-if you can demonstrate a good source that the word exists in english and that it comes from the spanish language please do, my opinion would be changed.192.26.8.4 (talk) 11:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  second uncle, por favor 

message: My eyes just glaze over trying to make sense of what has been written here. The diagrams should help, but because the text is so cluttered and badly structured, the figures can't really rescue the article. The earlier sections, at least, really need a total rewrite by somebody who both understands the subject matter, and can write clearly. I have studied social anthropology but still find this article very difficult to understand.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.131.237 (talk) 16:01, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whole Article Badly Written  

message: I was trying to use this article to understand what 1st/2nd cousins vs once/twice removed and I left this article more confused than before I read it. I found the diagram particularly unhelpful.... Sorry to the author (whom I'm sure had good intentions) but this diagram is only understandable to those that already know how this works, in my opinion. If you search wikitionary for "first cousin once removed" all I did was look at that diagram, didn't read one word of the article mind you, and I immediately understood how it worked. This could all just be me but just flagging this to the authors. Boojit (talk) 01:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  couldn't come to grips with this. 

message: What does the sentence “Closely related couples have more children.” under “Consanguinity - Reproduction” mean? It does not seem true and has no relation to the following.
Roel Schreurs (talk) 06:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  More children?