Talk:2K (company)

message: For sure, Rockstar Games and 2K Games are both subsidiaries of Take-Two Interactive. But neither is 2K a subsidiary of R*, nor is R* a subsidiary of 2K. Both companies stand to each other as sister companies. The same with Global Star Software, Joytech and Jack Of All Games. –jello ¿? 23:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  R* & 2K 

message: I was thinking it will be nice to merge the sub-labels into one and rename the page simply 2K and not 2K Games. my apologize if this  topic is not new.BBMatBlood (talk) 03:09, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Aside from the fact that the page "2K" already exists and the resulting merged page would have to carry an ugly parenthetical disambiguator, I don't see how we would anyhow benefit from that merger. All three pages are in a good start-class conditions, a merger would just clump them together in seperate sections. Plus, we would be required to talk about the history of the brand before the publishers were established (as part of Visual Concepts and Sega), which I found to be difficult to source in the past. So no, better not merge. Lordtobi (✉) 06:41, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright Lord, No problem. and Thanks for the great reply BBMatBlood (talk) 07:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

text: "Sponsored by 2K Games Inc."https://wwe.2k.com/milliondollarchallenge/rules/ you are totally right Lord.BBMatBlood (talk) 18:13, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you could also check that "2K Games, Inc." is the only company active in California. "2K, Inc." is only registered in Delaware and probably inactive. The latter also goes for "2KSports, Inc." (without space, yuck!) and "2K Play, Inc." which are only reigstered in New York despite sitting in Cal. Also described frequently as "divisions" in practically all sources. Lordtobi (✉) 18:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice and cool. I also dont like the no spacing in 2KSports haha. Great one Lord and Thanks BBMatBlood (talk) 08:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: They own all things 2K and it simply known as 2K in everything including annual report forms. It would be good to consider merging all the various 2K into one plus Take-Two is also known as T2/Take 2/Take-Two. 217.114.161.20 (talk) 21:32, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you checked any of the above comments? "2K, Inc." is not active in California, just Delaware likely as a placeholder company. 2K Games, Inc. is the legal entity active in California and thereby this publisher. Lordtobi (✉) 21:35, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Rockstar Games Inc. is Rockstar Games as well on their website, forms,games etc. that not the same for any of the 2K (Games, Sports, Play- the last one does not even make games anymore).I think a vote is needed to finally clear this. Not trying to fight with you.217.114.161.20 (talk) 21:41, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Referred to as 2K Games, Inc. in legalities such as this. "2K" is the brand used by the publisher "2K Games", which is discussed in this article. If I were to guess, Rockstar Games is not usually referred to as simply Rockstar in public statements because there is already another company of that name. Lordtobi (✉) 21:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone calls them Rockstar Games nonetheless unlike 2K Games- the 2K name is registered mark of Take-Two- and as of 2016 the Rockstar name is also registered mark of Take-Two (like Apple Inc and Apple Corp) hence the reason they have a subsidiary incorporated as Rockstar Interactive d/b/a Rockstar India and the collaborative banner Rockstar Studios. Rockstar Energy is unknown and Take-Two owning the Rockstar mark even make them totally obsolete. And lastly on the about us in my own words- Take-Two develop and publish through the following subsidiaries: Rockstar Games and 2K (not 2K Games), as well as new Private Divsion label and Social Point, a leading developer of mobile games (I am waiting for the day Social Point is renamed T2M (Take-Two Mobile)) -217.114.161.20 (talk) 21:54, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

text: Check T2 Biosystems Inc., there were founded in 2005 and their share price is TTOO meanwhile Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. founded in 1993 have registered marks for anything called T2, Take-Two, and Take 2. With their share price symbol as TTWO (as in T and TWO).217.114.161.20 (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: All of your comments presently make the impression of original research, a big no-no for Wikipedia. Other than that, you are mostly guessing a lot of things so it fits your perspective. The "Rockstar" trademark is, in fact, owned by Rockstar Industries LLC, not Take-Two. Lordtobi (✉) 22:00, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You think you simply won the arguement because another big time registered editor locked the page from any great addition. plus the trademarks own by that company is for waters. Take-Two own the entertainment (registered) marks for all things Rockstar which is known by all as Rockstar Games and also incorporated as Rockstar Games, Inc. Take-Two also owns the entertainment (registered)marks to all things 2K which is known by all as 2K and it also shown on parent's website, financials, annual forms, about us, logos, cover pages etc. lastly 2K is incorporated as three companies: 2K Games, Inc., 2K Sports Inc., and 2K Play, Inc. (based in Canada?) the last one does not even publish games under the "2K Play" name anymore and now simply also 2K. That me done here. I guess wikipedia does not like the facts.217.114.161.20 (talk) 22:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Multiple discrepancies. Take-Two owns trademarks related to "Rockstar" but not the wordmark "Rockstar" itself, which you claim to know but apparently didn't check. Furthermore, 2K Play is not based in Canada. They might have consumed the assets of Global Star, but even Global Star was based in New York near its end, and 2K Play is a division (i.e. not incorporated) operated by guys under the 2K Games roof in Novato. Their annual reports also still mentioned 2K Games, Inc. If you so please, make yourself familiar with our verifiability guidelines at WP:V/WP:RS, instead of calling your guessing factual. Lordtobi (✉) 22:20, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: "Principal offices" of their newest annual report still lists 2K Games and 2K Sports in Novato. As stated prior, 2K is the label, 2K Games is the publisher. Lordtobi (✉) 22:33, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging all the 2K labels into one 

message: I spoke with them,
"Take-Two owns many publishers. Ourselves, 2K, Rockstar, and Private Division."
Which means they went up to the main parent. Ghost Story is daughter of Take-Two, not 2K again legal separate companies, who here doesnt understand M&A  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetechwizard21 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghost Story Games should be under Take-Two Interactive NOT 2K Games 

message: After some time to think about it, I got back to researching this. TTWO's 2009 through 2012 annual reports consistently read:
 (emphasis mine)
Then, consistently from 2013 onwards, "2K Games" becomes a footnote under "Principal Operating Offices" alongside 2K Sports; 2K Play completely vanished. Back when we were arguing this, I used a lot (and I mean A LOT) of original research to back up my stance. I didn't know better but I was greatly supported. In the same original research, the individual studios are split up between the three labels; all of them are referred to as "2K studios", not adhering to any specific label, and sources don't put it this way either. What's more, 2K has completely scrapped the "2K Games" and "2K Sports" names, instead, all boxes simply since mid-2013 simply show "2K".
To avoid as much original research as possible, I plan to do a 180 and merge the three articles. This would include merging the histories and add an explanation of the present situation, creating a single list for all 2K studios, and renaming this article to simply "2K (company)". Unless there are significant arguments against this move, I will proceed with is sometime this weekend. Lordtobi (✉) 23:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "2K" – reconciliation