Talk:Bakeneko

message: "the story of the bakeneko of Sagahan is especially famous"; now I'm curious. What did it do? Why is it so famous? I just can't find anything on google. --Εξαίρετος (msg) 17:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That came over when I translated the article from the Japanese version. I'm rewriting now though, so I don't know if I will re-add it. Kotengu 05:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the bakeneko of Sagahan? 

message: Archiving it here just to be thorough. Kotengu 06:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Section below is from the Nekomata Talk Page, prior to being merged here

message: *Oppose.  Nekomata and Nekomusume are not the same.  If anything, nekomusume and catgirls are the same thing (the latter is the pop culture manifestation of the former).  To merge Nekomata and Neomusue together would be a grand mistake.--み使い Mitsukai 18:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this; I'm researching the subject right now and there really is no appreciable difference between the two; a nekomata is just what a bakeneko is called when its tail is forked. Kotengu 05:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: There's also two articles since somebody felt the need to paste an expanded version below the first, instead of above the frivolous pop culture section where stuff like that belongs. The new version also seems to be a slightly-reworded version of this, which in turn is pretty much a swiped version of my obakemono article with a few things tweaked. Kotengu 小天狗 (talk) 00:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Got any source for that? Because yokai simply are not defined in that way. There is no strict chart of abilities and limitations for yokai. They are creatures of folklore, not superheroes with defined abilities. Osarusan (talk) 13:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Actually Zack and I communicate frequently, and he edited both of my books. (Just a correction: Mizuki wasn't Zack's teacher, Zack is a translator and he has done translations of a lot of Mizuki's work.) Anyway, I agree with you that the two pages shouldn't be merged. I am just trying to caution against over-defining yokai and saying "this one does this, and that one does that." The reason that every "authority" (if there can even be an authority) gives a different definition is because of the nature of folklore. It is contradictory and confusing by nature. Yokai can't be truly and accurately defined. The best you can get is "pretty close." Osarusan (talk) 11:51, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Yes. The hard part about working with folklore (Japanese or otherwise) is that it just that -- "folk" lore. And every group of people will have a different definition. Ask 100 people what an elf is and you'll get 100 different answers. They are 6 inch tall cobblers, they live in trees, they make cookies, they are 6 feet tall, they are archers, they are wizards, they are tricksters, and so on... Obviously these are conflicting and even contradictory descriptions, but they are all correct. Yokai and obake work the same way. That makes it hard to accurately describe them, but that is also what makes them so special. Osarusan (talk) 03:12, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger

message: I'm removing the reference to the Harry Potter series, as Prof. McGonagall was not a cat with the ability to shapeshift into a human, but a woman who had the ability to shapeshift into a cat. Eellee (talk) 07:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of a so-called popular reference 

message: A book source, available online, for the bakeneko origin and definition can be found here. KellenT 19:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: I'd say the pop-culture refs should be cut down. For example, there are two separate entries for the Shin Megami videogames. Couldn't they be condensed into a single entry? Really, I have learnt more about the Shin Megami games than I did about Bakeneko! Jamshyd (talk) 02:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Way too many pop culture refs? 

message: I'm still relatively new to editing on wikipedia, but to my eye this article has some serious problems. I would like to put these items up for consideration to be edited on, since I feel I don't have the experience to fix them properly myself:
Citations
There are no inline citations as required here. In my opinion this makes verifying the sources used difficult.
Spell checking is needed.
 Also, is it bakeneko, or bake-neko?
 I see both spellings in the article,
 and no explanation in the talk.
Some sections suffer from tone issues.
 Tone should be more businesslike, as outlined 
here. The article contains expressions like "^^" and "yay" as expressed by the author(s). These need to be removed.
This article appears to have original research.
The example that gives me this opinion is:
In another variation I heard she went on a killing spree and annilated the fisherman's entire family first, despite them being un-involved, then killed him. But the old couple lived happily afterwords. Yay.
 Wikipedia does not condone original research. So these bits of original research need to be cited or removed.
I feel the article needs more research to be well-rounded as a personal opinion.
As another personal opinion, the legends section needs to be given more structure and purpose.
 'In popular culture' needs balance, criteria
All of the examples are of nekomata, which while similar, seem to have some minor differences differences. Some balance should be given towards bakeneko. I also feel that some of the examples link to nekomata are tenous, and a number should be removed. The example I give is Espeon, which is more foxlike than catlike.
I'm sorry if any of this came across as rude. I mean no offense. (Getfightted (talk) 10:48, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits needed 

message: The article mentions the nekomata variation of bakeneko, but not kasha, which are bakeneko that carry the bodies of sinners to the underworld. 207.216.222.107 (talk) 04:40, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kasha 

message: This article is incomplete and needs be expanded. Information on its  Etymology, variations of the legend, and reported incidents involving the creature need to be added to the article with proper citations given for its information. Some sections still need to be expanded upon and in some cases rewritten. The "Other Stuff" section is not appropriately titled and should be given a title in relation to its information. Some information in the article is unsourced and should either be removed or given proper citations if they exist. This article has potential to become GA and/or FA status if enough attention is paid to it. Hopefully this article gets the attention it deserves.--Paleface Jack (talk) 19:59, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: Would it be appropriate to include a reference to Samurai Cat? Would it need a citation linking Samurai Cat to Bakeneko? — PhilHibbs | talk 15:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No, certainly not. It's a constant fight to keep trivial pop culture lists off of the folklore pages. If you think it's something worth mentioning, then you should have the Samurai Cat page link to the Bakeneko page, not the other way around. Osarusan (talk) 22:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern popular culture