Talk:Grand Theft Auto IV/Archive 3

message: Archived this as there were many discussions which were not required any more John Hayes 16:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive

message: The narrator's accent is clearly Middle Eastern, not Russian. IGN's editors need to get a freakin clue.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.68.172.93 (talk) 05:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that there should not be any speculation on the accent of the narrator, because no one can accurately say where the accent is from. 203.129.56.237 05:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Let's just wait for more information to come out to clarify his accent.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 06:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Take a listen to how he says 'complicated' and 'smuggling'. Definitely East-European (maybe not Russian, I don't go to Eastern Europe too often :) (81.153.74.118 12:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should probably just say "foreign" (as in foreign to the USA) until it's established where he's from. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 13:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Eastern Europe consists of a lot of former Soviet countries (ie they were one part of Russia) that have similar sounding accents to unaccustomed ears - hence the uncertainty as to the character's exact country of origin. I think "foreign" is slightly POV too, sort of an "us and them" mentality, but I suppose it will do until something better is written. Yeanold Viskersenn 14:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I say Eastern European. And he probably won't say "Jihad, Jihad, Jihad". If he did, New York City would become New Baghdad City. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 01:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I added the "foreign" part to try and remove any speculation about eastern European or Russian accents, it wasn't great and the foreign part was about how the accent is not from America yet it is set in Mexico. I've changed it to "non-American", which is definitely correct yet vague, but I believe this information is notable enough to be included despite the difficulty in describing it without speculating. Hopefully the Game Informer article coming soon will give us more information that can be sourced. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 02:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Who said "Jidah"? --70.143.52.3 12:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: lulz butterrum, he was saying that unless the character was saying "Jihad" (fix'd btw) etc, then he would most likely not be shown as an Arab. tytyty repeating his point Wanka 16:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Although what they said was about as dumb, that's not exactly what they said. (and remember this is a GTA game so it will be full of stereotypes) --70.142.52.56 00:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I think that he's from the Caucasus region, which used to be part of the Soviet Union... possibly an Armenian. -- Davo88 17:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks. We try. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 17:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Again you tell me. Nobody said Jidah. --70.142.52.56 02:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: You seem to be betting that R* would rather be technically accurate than copy a characature(sic) of Russians seen "in the movies". --70.142.52.56 02:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that he's an Arab. I have some knowledge of Arabic, and the language doesn't have the letter "th" in it. If you pay attention to the trailer, you'd notice that he's unable to pronounce the word "things". Instead, he says "tings". If he was an Arab, he wouldn't have trouble. I don't know about Russian, but the Armenian language doesn't have the letter "th"... if you guys get what I'm saying... -- Davo88 03:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Just LOVIN' the unsourcable discussion, guys. Please continue.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 03:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just take a look at the Wikipedia articles about those languages. -- Davo88 03:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Look, regardless of whether it's true or not, if it's unsourcable, then it's still original research. I realize that sounds stupid; crap, it probably sounds very stupid, but "them's the rules," as Yeanold put it. If you don't have any source from Rockstar on the subject, then discussing it ain't gonna help.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 03:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, this is speculation, if anything. -- Davo88 04:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...which doesn't belong on this talk page, unfortunately.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 04:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually it doesn't have to use Rockstar as the source, depending on what the information is and how it's worded. The article doesn't have to only talk about what's actually in the game, but what's known/assumed/claimed by others. That's what the "unreleased game" template is for at the top of the page. That doesn't mean we should be arguing over unsourced speculation, but I think IGN is a reliable source for a videogame. (forgive me for not having read the entire guide on reliable sources) --70.142.52.56 08:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: "I think that there should not be any speculation on the accent of the narrator, because no one can accurately say where the accent is from." -203.129.56.237. that about sums it up 121.127.192.121 11:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think adding something like "IGN speculates that his accent is Russian," and other opinion's expressed in their article is actually adding anything worthwhile. At the moment every gaming website and most people here are trying to decide on what accent it is. Eurogamer says "the main character appears to be of eastern European origin, Russian perhaps." By the time all the notable views on where the accent is from are added to the article there'd be a whole section on it, and as soon as Rockstar reveal where it's from the section would be deleted. Adding speculation by qualified sources, yet sources that don't have any hard evidence would not improve the article for someone who wants to know facts about GTA IV. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 11:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well whether the information is worthwhile is certainly debatable here. What sources we choose to use is at our discretion too. I doubt the section would grow huge with people adding extra quotes, since there are really only two options. I agree though that it's dumb arguing about the guy's accent here. --64.149.47.0 03:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually I'm for using any source that's reliable (as Wikipedia policy says), but in this case as most sources are speculating then in my opinion there's more of a need to use a source much closer to the subject matter. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 16:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, we shouldnt trust movie accents on this. And by the way, why dont we just ask a Russian or Arab native speaker? And what do the Russian pages actually say on this matter? ( I cant verify, I dont speak Russian. All I can say he is definitely notDutch. ;)). - Redmess 16:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Russian Wikipedia says Eastern European, but you can't use Wikipedia as a source and it's unsourced there too. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 16:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Who said that?  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 05:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, I guess you'll get people to argue about anything on Wikipedia. The article used to say he had a foreign accent and I'm the one who complained that it should be changed to non-American. --70.128.121.136 07:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Gregg, the rationale for it being called "non-American" is explained above, "foreign" was also considered and even in the article for a while. Like I said, read up a bit to see why it was changed to "non-American". ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 13:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooooooh, that's who said that. Dang...I forgot.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 17:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Surely this cannot be "non-American" either, how do you define an American accent? An American of white European background? An American of Native American background? Is not someone from an Arab background (for the sake of argument) who has American nationality American? I don't believe the accent can be defined at all. John Hayes 10:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, hard to argue with that. (although there are several typical native-born American accents) But you really did need to provide an alternative, since we actually do need to define those sorts of things here. Anyway, with the new information we don't need to mention his accent anymore. --70.128.125.36 15:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I realise that is pedantic, but this is an encylopedia after all, anyway as you say it has been removed nowJohn Hayes 11:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I feel we should just let it be until a source comes. Really the best thing to do.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 01:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: quite, once we know the nationality it will be irrelevant anywayJohn Hayes 11:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: What is your source? "sounds like slavic" won't do I'm afraid. If you have an official source, then it's official he's a slav. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 15:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I can change my name to Niko Bellic and move to Riga. That doesn't make me slavic John Hayes 14:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah. That's OR, so it shouldn't be added.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 21:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Original research...'nuff said.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 01:32, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, and also (though this breaks the rules on discussing the article only) two words for you Sassytigre, "artistic licence" John Hayes 09:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: PLEASE stop talking about his accent; NO ONE has any sources, yet, clarifying his accent, so it doensn't need to be discussed.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 06:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have long since removed the accent from the article, so I think we should now delete this section, as it is not useful to the article John Hayes 09:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the next possible time the talk page should be archived. I dont think it should be deleted completely because it's a good conversation to reference if the same issue arises again. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 12:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  How do you archive a talk page? 58.185.104.72 08:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a Russian Accent! 

message: The ferry terminal is disused and rundown. As anyone who played GTA:LCS will tell you, the ferry terminal was closed down and by 2001 was replaced by the porter tunnel. 159.134.48.148 10:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no evidence it takes place in 2007, or for anything else that you have said there. Also in regards to the original point a ferry terminal being in both cities is not evidence that it is the same city.John Hayes 11:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberty City- definitely 

message: In the german Wiki they say that the guy from the trailer looks like "Jerkov", the leader of the russian mafia in gta 2. there is a comparison: (click at fatos on the left) (and they trade in body parts) --89.56.57.215 22:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  maybe the guy is claude 203.129.58.171 02:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is all unsourcable speculation, outside of the fact that this character and Claude look completely different. Discussions like this don't help anything, which is asserted by the template at the very top of the page.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 03:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  who are you to say that him and claude look different? 203.129.40.156 17:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhhh, because I have eyes??? Just look at them, man. They clearly look different: one obvious one is the hairstyle and the beard, which is different from Claude's; Claude has smaller eyes that this guy and has had a consistent clothing style in both of his game appearances, which is a black jacket and beige cargo-like pants, which is, once again, different from this character. One that could be seen as obvious is the fact that this character, more than likely, can talk, and with the support of storyline consistency, we can make an educated assumption that Claude still can't, or won't, talk. Either way, this is all speculation and needs to discontinue.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 18:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  But he really looks like Jerkov from GTA2 look at this  --89.61.181.123 22:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless, this is still speculation.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 22:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This speculative research could lead onto sourcable information which would be helpful tot his article. I am not familier with GTA2 though, so I can't say if it is possible or not JayKeaton 10:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speculation may result in a source if it gives someone the idea to hunt down a source, but this is pure speculation. Looking at GTA to see if they look similar cannot result in a source that way. At the moment, because of all the speculation from gamers, forums and even some magazines, the sources for content should either be Rockstar directly or a magazine with information direct from Rockstar (e.g. Game Informer's may edition). You don't need to be familiar with GTA2 to be able to add the information if it's true and sourced, because the source will contain all the information you need. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 10:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, the second anonymous user wasn't really speculating. He was obviously screwing with you guys with a stupid comment to get a stupid response. --64.149.33.216 16:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have no trouble believing that he could have possibly been being serious, considering some of the stupid crap I've found on Wikipedia. With some of the stuff I've seen, that guy could still have been making a serious statement.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 18:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Please bring up sourcable information, or this discussion is subject to removal.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 04:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I wasn't being mean or pushy; you also should be worried more about being not getting blocked...if you know what I mean, and I'm sure you do.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 05:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  oh yeah klyptyzm you really are an old hand teach me your wise wisdom - all hail king klyptzm, defender of the weak, making sure that no one says anything "unsourcable".  203.129.59.20 10:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh heh, I like that title; I always did fashion myself a defender from unsourcabilicality.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 17:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, I'm Klptyzm. You're Butterrum.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 04:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, uhhh, we've known that for about a month now....  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 16:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the Guy 

message: i wanted to know more about GTA 4 so i checked everywhere and found onr site that showed detail on whats in the trailer and stuff its this link it details everything seen and pics  http://planetgrandtheftauto.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Articles.Detail&id=90&game=11--69.205.61.185 06:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trailer treats

message: Seeing how I added this only to see it arbitrarily removed ten minutes later, I figured that I'd mention it here rather than add it back in and see it arbitrarily removed again. There has been a lot of speculation since the trailer was released that the character shown is based off of Vladimir Mashkov's character in 2001's Behind Enemy Lines. The first publication to comment on this was PSX Extreme, and Kotaku in turn mentioned it. 
See  here - I think that this is more than worthy of a mention somewhere in the existing format of the article. --Warrior-Poet 06:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's nothing but speculation from both the sites (PSX Etreme and Kotaku). Both are just saying how they've noticed similarities and neither have any hard evidence. Including it in the article would add nothing to it. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 14:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: If you don't have any credible, official sources, then please don't try to make such claims.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 05:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It probably is Jerkov but since there is no source to prove it then like BishopTutu said we can't add anything about it to the article yet. --70.128.121.136 07:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: You didn't make me mad. I'm just telling you.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 23:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps you've been misunderstanding. Nobody is making fun of you. (although I can only speak for myself) We only want you to correct your behavior so we can work together more easily. --70.142.41.76 04:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: True, and other editors can respond accordingly; if you don't type like a normal human being, they you won't be helped like one.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 21:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: No one is picking on you; just spell correctly, man.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 01:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: ....I grow tired of this childishness. Let's just talk about the article, if you don't wish to reason.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 03:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: 69.205.61.185, please sign your posts by pressing the signature button or by typing four tildes (~~~~). ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 02:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I didn't make fun of you ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 16:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Anonymous user please read WP:NOT#BATTLEGROUND John Hayes 14:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Uhhh, you DO realize you've basically admitted to being a sockpuppet, right?  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 16:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main character's resemblance 

message: What happened to the high-res pics that used to be linked from the smaller pictures on the article? Now the "Times Square" screenshot says "No higher resolution available." I think it's pretty obvious in an article on a "next-gen" game like this (which runs in 720p) that high resolution screen grabs are important. --70.128.121.136 07:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes high resolution shots would be good, but the problem is with fair use. If an image is too large then it will fail the fair use criteria that Wikipedia policy requires we adhere to. The images are still available on the web and the trailer's available on the links so not is all lost for the reader. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 13:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  High-Resolution pictures 

message: I've noticed that on the Amazon UK search results page for GTA 4, it says that the PEGI Rating is 18+, on the product pages it says the BBFC rating is 18. On each of the websites for these companies however they don't list the game details. This could mean that the ratings will be out soon, they've only released the ratings to retailers, or Amazon's making an assumption (I'm not sure if they're allowed to do that). As it's not on the official sites, I don't think it should be in the article yet, but hopefully the ratings will be released officially soon so they can be added. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 01:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we should probably keep an eye out for it; I do feel that maybe Amazon got their info from a source, though. I don't think they just made a random assumption with no basis.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 01:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it probably is an assumption based on the previous games - as the BBFC etc can't really give a rating to a game that is still in the development stages. Yeanold Viskersenn 09:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on common sense, it will get an ESRB Rating of M for Mature, just like the last few. —cmsJustin <;;font size="1">(talk|contribs)</font> 23:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rating 

message: The section on Thompson reads like a newspaper article; it has far to many details for Wikipedia. I would like to shorten it to the following: 
"American anti-obscenity activist Jack Thompson has stated he will take various measures to prevent the sale of the game to minors. Thompson's campaign seems to be solely focused on the Xbox 360 release of Grand Theft Auto 4, making no mention of the PS3 version at all.[12]
On 16 March 2007, Take Two Interactive filed a lawsuit against Thompson in attempt to block him from trying to declare the games a public nuisance.[13]"
Any objections?162.119.232.106 15:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds fine to me. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 16:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Cool. Fine by me.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 17:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the feedback. I've made the update.Ryanpm4545 22:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Stop censoring us, Kleptozmyzm!!! comment stealer! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.142.57.222 (talk) 00:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...Please tell me this is a joke. Forgive me, if it is. I'm dealing with a lot of bullshit right now, so I'm a bit on edge....  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 01:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok ok Im just kidding you're not a comment stealer I retract my statement. I forgive you, but just get this damn fool off the page! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.142.57.222 (talk) 17:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Thompson too long 

message: It's been leaked and information, such as the name, has started to get inserted to the article. I will try and hunt down the policy for using leaked magazine articles as sources. If anyone knows it, please post it here. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 15:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thanks for the clarification ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 16:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah - I think now that it is available to the general public (albeit subscribers), then it can be used as a valid source. There seems to be a hella lot of new info in there too! Yeanold Viskersenn 17:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Informer leaked scans 

message: Bold textWhere did you hear that the name of the main character of Gta IV will be Niko Bellic???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mammonak (talk • contribs) 16:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Game Informer confirmed it: http://www.gta4.net/news/3857/game-informer-reaches-subscribers/ —cmsJustin (talk|contribs) 16:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, this is a fan site, but the information comes from a valid source. As far as the article is concerned, a source should come directly from GameInformer, or something more credible, if possible.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 03:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That may very well be true, but until there is a reliable source (and a friend of someone posting on a forum is not) we can't use it. John Hayes 14:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm confident that person was lying anyway; anyone can jump up and say "oooo, I got this from an inside source" and all that jive; let's just wait for a source.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 04:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't see why. Unless R* and GameInformer are thought to be pulling a hoax. --70.142.42.81 00:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Niko Bellic??????????? 

message: I don't feel a weapons list should be integrated into the article. Soon, it could quickly develop into a laundry list.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 00:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand where your coming from and I agree with you, but, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, would the weapons list really be necessary? WP:EMBED and WP:LISTS support me on this.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 04:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe (but i'm not 100%) there is an article on weapons used in the entire GTA world, so once the game does come out, if it was to be added anywhere, it would be there John Hayes 13:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't. And if there was, it would surely be deleted under the WP:NOT policy.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 15:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're quite right, I just thought I remembered seeing one. Either way this article wouldn't be the place for it John Hayes 15:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons list? 

message: The Game Informer article mentioned Niko's cousin, Roman. Should I add some info about him? --Jimbo Herndan 01:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already been added from what I see.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 01:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman 

message: Y'all know that neat little thing Lucasarts got their hands on, Euphoria? The engine that lets you do things like realistically break stuff like rock, wood, etc. Well, it was recently announced that GTA IV will be using this feature. Methinks this is relevant enough to be added. Unless of course it turns out to be a false rumor, in which case, disregard this comment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.49.43.98 (talk) 06:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did you get this info?  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 06:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Euphoria is being used in GTAIV. And it's for dynamic animation of people, not materials. —cmsJustin (talk|contribs) 16:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euphoria added to GTA IV 

message: I searched everywhere for info on GTA:IV and only found one and it's a FANSITE! I serched the GameInformer website for any clues and it states that the magizine people said they read is coming soon. I don't understand where you guys are geting your info and I also checked the old G search and found 2 things a FanSite and wikipedia again I have no clue how you guys are geting these info and people that say they got the magazine early is ether lieing or somthing else! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.125.114.250 (talk) 15:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  truth or rumor 

message: Has anyone confirmed if they're going to release it on PC? Because I think that they will - but have they confirmed it? - User:Jbeckwith
: Not yet. They have been no single confirmation from rockstar. --SkyWalker 07:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussing the subject not the article. Delete? John Hayes 13:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, if someone has here information on the platforms then it will be added to the article. --14:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but he was asking about the game itself, rather than asking about the article John Hayes 15:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lets argue about whether or not this is an argument. —cmsJustin (talk|contribs) 15:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  ;-) John Hayes 16:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

text: No! As soon as someone finds out the article will be updated. ^_^ --70.142.42.81
Will it be out for PC also? I think it worth a mention, if not. Not to say if yes! :) - Bl
If it's not mentioned yet, I think it's worth mentioning that it most likely will come out on PC, but that R* hasn't officially announced it. Economically, it's a smart move, so it seems likely -- but until they say so it can't be cited and proved. At the least, a sentence mentioning something like "R* has not yet said if IV will be included on the PC or if it will remain console-exclusive," seems appropriate to me. 12.107.247.226 23:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, either way, it can't be mentioned until Rockstar announces it.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 01:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Regardless or whether or not it's smart or inevitable (don't get me wrong; I do agree with both of you), we can't add it into the article yet until a source comes out.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 04:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PC

message: uh i went to a page titled 'Grand Theft Auto V" and i think it is a hoax. the discusion page redirects here. 203.129.60.141 01:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing it to our attention. It will be bastardized appropriately.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 02:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries. The page has been bastardized.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 04:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake Page 

message: I was right. The last city will be Liberty City. The game will not feature character customization to create your own (multiplayer only) It is uncertain if Claude Speed or Toni Cipriani will make an appearance. Professional Gamer 17:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Liberty City?! You don't say?! Anyway what do you mean by "the last city"? --70.142.42.81 18:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, uhhhh, we already knew about Liberty City, though your info about customizing Niko is a lil' bit helpful.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 19:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the fans say that GTA IV will feature Carcer City, but Carcer City will not be featured. Although customizing Niko is possible, like getting new outfits. Although I'm not certain if one of the previous characters from Grand Theft Auto III will be appeared. Professional Gamer 17:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are you getting this information? Please provide a source so it can be used. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 11:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You need to type Grand Theft Auto IV on the search bar and Look for The Official Grand Theft Auto IV thread in General Gaming. Professional Gamer 20:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirmed City 

message: "Microsoft could barely contain its glee at being able to confirm exclusive downloadable content for next year's Xbox 360 version of Grand Theft Auto IV - but PS3 fans need not fear, as it seems the Sony release is also firmly in line to receive its very own dazzling additions. 
According to a source close to Rockstar North, the team is working on exclusive supplemental content for both systems, which will be made available for download via Microsoft and Sony's respective online services after the game's release next year."
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68768
I found this on Eurogamer.com is there anyway we can proove this? If we can it should be added to the main page on the episodic content part. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.180.18.11 (talk) 05:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That page is over 7 months old. From what I gather from much more recent information, is that the PS3 will not be getting the 360s version exclusive content, and probably not any downloadable content at all, although it might get some extra content from the get go JayKeaton 10:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added content on the ps3 

message: i suggest making "American Dream" go blue like this American Dream in the plot section of the article. not really that big a change but it seems relevant enough to the article. 218.186.9.1 13:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is safe to say you can do this without asking John Hayes 15:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is still semi-protected. --70.143.60.65 16:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  thats why i didnt do it myself 58.185.104.72 05:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: oops, sorry, stupid me John Hayes 15:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Dream 

message: "algonquin" is probably a reference to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algonquin_Hotel
195.241.220.231 20:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...or it could be a reference to the fact that Manhattan is an Algonquin word, and the Algonquin borough in GTA references that. Basically, this is original research and shouldn't be added.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 22:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that's some pretty neat research. -- Bhavesh.Chauhan Message Me | Contribs  21:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm muy inteligente, haha. And it's actually part of a sub sect language, so to speak of Algonquin, if you wanna be technical, but, all in all, it's still Algonquin.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 00:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Algonquin 

message: In the description of the game it says the game takes place in 2007, but I haven't seen any websight article or whatever that confirms this or even guesses as to when the game takes place. I think we should add a source to this.02:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can see the Hearst Tower in the the trailer which indicates it is set in 2007. --Bhavesh.Chauhan 21:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seeing it in the trailer is not a valid source. If you did see it, which I am sure you did, there would be nothing stopping Rockstar using artistic licence to included the building even if it's not set in 2007. John Hayes 11:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text:  the Hearst Tower was actually completed on 4 May 2006. 218.186.9.1 14:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007? 

message: Rumors have been going on the past few months of Grand Theft Auto IV making its way to the Nintendo Wii. Reggie Fils-Aime, President of Nintendo America, has been pushing Take-Two for a Wii port of the game. It seems his hard work paid off, early this morning a trailer was added to the press website of Rockstar Games announcing GTA IV for the Wii. Because the Wii is not powerful enough to render the same graphics as the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions, it seems as though they've gone with the old engine or perhaps an edited version of it.
:What old engine? Someone here said "The Wii isn't powerful enough to run even GTA III." --70.143.63.180 22:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A simple Google search doesn't show anything about Wii getting GTA4, but lots of news articles of GTA4 coming out for 360 and PS3 but not on Wii. - Throw 10:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This was an April Fools joke. Someone had made a machinima version of the GTA IV trailer using games from the GTA III generation. GTA IV has not been announced on the Wii. Yeanold Viskersenn 15:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This is not the place to discuss what the Wii could or could not run, it is about discussing the article. Read the header. John Hayes 11:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Its All Go For Nintendo! 

message: Does anyone know exactly how much smaller than San Andreas the map will be? 218.186.9.1 03:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Concerning the article, there hasn't been a source that details Liberty's size yet; we should wait 'till one comes out.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 04:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Liberty City's a lot bigger than you think according to . I hope you can get some information from there to add to the article. -- Bhavesh.Chauhan Message Me | Contribs 22:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the issue of Official Playstation UK Magazine in the exclusive feature they had their own map and it was a lot smaller than that. They said themselves that Rockstar are keeping the real map secret for now so the difference in size/detail wont be clear until more information comes out. So far they've said the map is smaller, but more densely packed with detail. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 22:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Has Rockstar or a reliable source specifically stated that Liberty City will be the only city playable in GTA IV? Or is Liberty City the only confirmed city? 218.186.9.1 11:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  They've specifically said there's only one city, it was their reason why there are no planes. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 14:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Although if the size of liberty city is going to be comparable to GTA:SA, and if it was fine flying planes in that, then perhaps the reason you can't fly planes has something to do with 9/11? ∆ Algonquin 04:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Possibly. It must have gone through their minds. The only thing they're saying publically is that it's it's one city so no planes are needed. In the UK Playstation magazine the interviewer hinted at saying it was something to do with 9/11, but nothing was answered with 9/11 as an excuse. So even though it may be a factor in the decision, until that information is published then the only reason that can be put in the article is they say one city doesn't need planes. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 04:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size Matters 

message: found some interesting info here 218.186.9.1 04:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's the latest information about GTA IV. A similar article can also be found here  about the limitations of the Xbox 360 and the PS3 -- Bhavesh.Chauhan Message Me | Contribs  04:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So when is the next big bit of info due to come out? ∆ Algonquin 13:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is sure yet although quite soon I suppose considering the game is releasing in only a few months. -- Bhavesh.Chauhan Message Me | Contribs  14:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  Actually, on 16 may the  Official Playstation magazine Austraila next issue is released, and they are advertising that they are going to fly to NYC for a world exclusive on gta4. i don't know if all mags are going to have this "world excusive". ∆ Algonquin 15:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The British one did John Hayes 16:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  web 

message: I recently read the GI article, and there is a fair bit more information on the game then there is in the wikipedia article. If most if not all of the info in the wikipedia article is taken from GI anyway, then why not put the extra detail in as well? ∆ Algonquin 15:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which part's missing that you want to add? ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 15:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not everyone reads or has a copy of the GI issue of GTA IV. I'm sure you can try to add some information yourself, if not then as BillPP said, which part would you like us to add? -- Bhavesh.Chauhan Message Me | Contribs  16:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Mainly small stuff, like quotes and what the game promises to achieve and some minor new features which haven't been mentioned. Do we need some sort of permision to use information taken from a magazine? ∆ Algonquin 00:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't think you need some permission from the magazine, although you can note the reference. I don't have that issue of the magazine so I don't quite know what's missing. -- Bhavesh.Chauhan Message Me | Contribs  20:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I could always type out the article from GI for anyone to read and put in the wikipedia article what they think is missing... although maybe that is a copyright violation ∆ Algonquin 02:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have the magazine, why don't you add what you think is important to the article? --70.128.120.187 14:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just use the infromation from GI, put it into your own words and type it out on Wikipedia. -- Bhavesh.Chauhan Message Me | Contribs  22:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Informer 

message: This bit has been in the introductory section for a while now, and it still looks horribly awkward (in bold):
:According to Janco Partners analyst Mike Mickey, a financial consultant for Take-Two Interactive Software, around 150 game developers are working on Grand Theft Auto IV. This is more than Grand Theft Auto: Vice City which debuted in 2002, and which had about 130 people listed in the credits (not including voice actors and motion-capture actors).
Is there any reason whatsoever that this sentence is still in the article? Correct me if it's already been discussed. Pele Merengue 09:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's true, and tells us that even more work went into GTAIV than VC? I have no idea. The phrasing used to be worse until someone changed it. --70.143.63.172 09:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Someone who is good at writing should re-word it. 218.186.9.1 12:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Isn't it obvious that more work is going into IV than Vice City, though? And just because it's true, is it really an important bit of information? It's just such an awkward observation: "This game in the series has 150 people working on it, which is more than one of the games earlier in the series." It just doesn't need to be there. I'm taking it out for now, if anyone wants to put it back, please discuss it here.Pele Merengue 22:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because something is true doesn't mean it needs to be added; I'm practically parroting WP:OR when I say that. In the end, that's rather irrelevant info and needs to be removed if it hasn't been done so.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 22:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why was it there in the first place? I wasn't defending its inclusion, just trying to answer the guy's question. --70.143.63.172 22:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Irrelevant sentence in opening?

message: this seems relevant enough to be included in the article 218.186.9.1 12:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And even a darts tournament is spoofing the GTA IV countdown. This all really needs to be included in the article. .:Alex:. 16:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What would the section be called? References in Popular Culture? -- Bhavesh.Chauhan Message Me | Contribs  22:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sounds good to me. 218.186.9.1 09:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: "Pop culture references" is fine.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 15:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''the Simpsons'' parody 

message: It has been confirmed in a recent interview with Dan Houser that Phillip Glass has been hired to work on some music for GTA IV. Should this info be included? .:Alex:. 15:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no problem with that.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 15:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phillip Glass 

message: ...but I can't fix it. Under "Gameplay". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.230.44.19 (talk) 16:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand why you couldn't change it - maybe your IP is blocked?, but thanks for bringing it up. I'll change it right away -- Bhavesh.Chauhan Message Me | Contribs  17:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is semi-protected which is why this user could not change it. .:Alex:. 19:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration is spelled wrong 

message: After the "66% complete" part in the first paragraph, it says "citation needed". But it says: "According to Official Xbox Magazine magazine," before. Isn’t this a sufficient citation? Also, if bridges are going to limit Niko's access to other boroughs, then isn't that saying that Niko can't swim? ∆ Algonquin 03:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be enough, but the best kind of reference would be using the  template, with Issue, publisher, date, author, article title, etc. all included. As for the swimming thing, I've not read anything that says he can't swim. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 03:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll assume good faith and that that was about whether we should mention swimming in the article. As Bill says there is no source, but bridges limiting access doesn't stop the ability to swim, for example in San Andreas bridges limited access, but you could still swim John Hayes 10:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  yeah i realised that after posting the comment. and what was that about asuming good faith? what reason would you have for not asuming good faith? ∆ Algonquin 11:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was assuming that you were acting in good faith, in that you had mentioned it so that it could be included in the article, rather than you were just talking about the game. If I had replied without that comment, it might have appeared that I was discussing the game, rather than the article, which isn't allowed. John Hayes 16:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Citation Needed" 

message: This page needs to be archived. 218.186.9.1 03:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Too many conversations are still open. A few conversations may need to be though.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 03:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, I'm going to archive, most of this can go, Not a Russian Accent!, Liberty City- definitely, Name of the Guy, Trailer treats, Main character's resemblance, High-Resolution pictures, Jack Thompson too long, Game Informer leaked scans, Niko Bellic???????????, Weapons list?, Roman,  just to name a few John Hayes 16:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive