Talk:Kumeyaay

message: "Evidence of human settlement, in what is today considered Kumeyaay territory, may go back 12,000 years. 7000 BCE marked the emergence of two cultural traditions: the California Coast and Valley tradition and the Desert tradition. The Kumeyaay had land extending from the Pacific Ocean to present Ensenada, Mexico, and then on east to the Colorado River and North to what is known as Oceanside."
Surely what is meant by the source is Oceanside, California and not British Columbia (especially since Highway 78 connects to Oceanside). That makes no sense. Also, is there a way to be sure the source mentioned is credible? 72.199.200.174 (talk) 20:26, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
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message: At the Wikiconference North America 2016 in San Diego we crowdsourced some thoughts on bias and gaps that may be relevant to improving this article:
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Knowledge GapWhat is missing?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Subject AreaOn which topic?           	ExpertGuided by who?     	Useful References Addressed with which sources?
History of scholarship and narratives: Indians often referenced only through lens of the Missions, and in derogatory ways                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	Environmental research and source materials help correct some of this bias
WP article on Kumeyaay, Language: Focus on different perspectives between linguists and native speakers. Native speakers don't see it as separate languages. Many linguists actually agree with Kumeyaay on that point.                                                                                                                                                     	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	No reference yet
WP article on Kumeyaay, History:  Before Contact - different people or different cultures? Bias comes in when perspective is portrayed as native opinions vs scientists studies. Nothing in the archaeological record says that new people moved in and wiped out others. Same people (maybe w/ intermarriage) w/ roots back to paleoIndians, with culture change over time.	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	look at scholarship on Montana genetic testing, remains found in Mexico caves, and Kennewick man - findings show direct line of descent to current people
Environmental management, including fire management, harvest techniques, engineering                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	Tending the Wild
Trade and commerce are often underreferenced. Obsidian mines, etc existed                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	Archaeological reports
Politics of Paleo-identity: Scientists undermine scientific evidence that local people are descendents of paleo-Indians, to block repatriation. Scientific American took biased view                                                                                                                                                                                        	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	no reference yet
History books often define California borders retroactively. As a geographic and ecological unit, there is continuity with Baja. Kumeyaay territory a great example of this.                                                                                                                                                                                                	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	Kumeyaay: A history textbook precontact to 1893
Spread of diseases: estimate at least 1m Indians here before missions came, and 300,000 after Missions started. Estimates of population decline in present CA prior to 1769 range from 600,000 to 1.2m. Spread of indigenous spiritual traditions to try to safeguard Indians from these diseases                                                                           	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	CA population studies
San Diego experience: difficulties of religious conversion, lack of environmental understanding, and 1779 destruction of the mission (these are some distinctions from other parts of CA)                                                                                                                                                                                   	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	Kumeyaay: A history textbook precontact to 1893
Conversions? 60 converts per year likely includes: People who didn't understand what it meant, Stockholm syndrome identification w/ opressors, and children born into the Mission system                                                                                                                                                                                    	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	
Population change 1600-1910 - add Mike's chart to Commons.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	Mike's slide deck
Gold rush and gold production, slaughter of many indigenous peoples during this time. Genocide driven by greed for gold (as well as land and water, of course)                                                                                                                                                                                                              	Kumeyaay and California Indian History	Michael Connolly Miskwish	Lindsay, Brenden C (2012). "Murder State: California's Native American Genocide, 1846-1873." University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln and London (and other texts referenced in that book)
Kellyjeanne9 (talk) 21:20, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knowledge Gaps in this Article