Talk:3DO Interactive Multiplayer

message: Hey the 3do was never released, April 1993 in Japan and September 1993 in North America, the Amiga CD32 pre-dated the 3do by at least 1 month, I am sure (well I know) that the 3do was first ever released in North America in October 1993 as the Panasonic 3do, later releaced in Japan around early 1994 (not early 1993) and late 1994 in Europe, and later released in different brands at various times, but no never april or september 1993, it seems that with the 3do (sometimes the Jag) but mostly the 3do, that people get the wrong releaced date, dunno why but they do. But yeah wrong date of launch for the 3do, like. Needs to be changed. -- Mcjakeqcool (talk) 17:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I don't see why you are saying it's wrong. The article says September 1993 in the US and March 1994 in Japan. I don't understand the rest of what you're saying. -- Belasted (talk) 00:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Cos I have given sources to say that the 3do was released in October 1993, indeed the 3do is the 2nd (or even 3rd) 32 bit console, as the Amiga CD32 was released in September 1993 and the 3do in October 1993, that is why the article is wrong and the sources I have given is right, this is the sources I have given and the source is correct, and the source says the 3do was released in October 1993 not September 1993, the source I have given is right, the wikipedia article is wrong. Thankyou, mcjakeqcool -- Mcjakeqcool (talk) 20:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Your source is not reliable. -- Belasted (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *How?! mcjakeqcool -- Mcjakeqcool (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *It appears to be some guy's blog. -- Belasted (talk) 22:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *:I accuatly remember the 3do's launch, and I'm sure it came out in October 1993, is that a reliable source?! mcjakeqcool -- Mcjakeqcool (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *No. That's called original research and is absolutely unacceptable. -- Belasted (talk) 22:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Alright then. mcjakeqcool -- Mcjakeqcool (talk) 20:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: * Well the 3do *was* released on the 4th of October in the US. Source is a review from that time, which was upped to the Aminet in November 1993. Reliable enough?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.78.183.99 (talk) 20:45, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: No it did'ent!

message: I've just finished a reorganization of this article to pull it more in line with other game system articles. 
* Created a history section that culls information from the old "demise" section and contains info from the 3DO company article. 
* Moved technical information from the "features and catalog" into the "Technical Specifications" section.
* Created a games section with the remaining info from the Catalog section.  
* Added an accessories section.
* Added information on the AV ports available on the console.
* Also changed some formatting, removed excess headings and did general cleanup. 
Sourcing still needed in places, but I think it's a stronger article now.--Lendorien (talk) 02:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Reorganized 

message: Archived discussions for 2007-2008. --Lendorien (talk) 04:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving

message: I'd like to try and get this article to GA status. It'll involve some work.  Super Nintendo Entertainment System should be used as the standard from which to build this article (as it's a featured article).  The following are areas I've identified as needing improvement. Feel free to strike out items that have been addressed and to add items you see need to be added.
* Expanded history section.  
:* More information about the development of the system is needed
:* More information about the product launch
:* More detailed info on system demise
* Expanded discussion of variants and the 3DO hardware licensing model. This is a unique aspect of the 3DO and should be discussed in more detail
* Expanded Technical specs section
:* Tech specs should be changed to paragraph form. 
:* Infoboxes covering the different specs could be added (see SNES article) 
* Peripherals
:* Accessories changed to peripherals
:* Expanded information on bundled controllers. The 3DO bundled controllers were considered poor. add and source this.
:* Expansion peripherals.  What was made to use to expansion ports on the unit, what was planned?
:* More info on 3rd party controllers
* More information on games, including innovations specific to the 3D0
* Possibly a section on Emulation?
* More info on market share
* Sourcing
:* Sourcing needs to be normalized to proper formats
:* Undocumented claims need to be sourced
--Lendorien (talk) 17:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Status effort 

message: Links placed here for later reference. --Lendorien (talk) 17:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible sources 

message: I don't want to screw anything up so if one of you could place it somewhere on this page, I'd thank you.
Heres the picture.
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by EliteDashOne (talk • contribs) 19:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have a picture of a FZ-10. 

message: Apparently the on-disc file structure/format was called "Opera File System", and a short stub article exists which describes it. See Opera File System. Originally I came here to add a link to this article to the prose, but didn't really seen an obvious spot to add it. It's a technical issue, but the technical section (as of now) seems strictly concerned with the hardware, not with the software/BIOS formats/functions. —Locke Cole • t • c 06:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no reason why a software section couldn't be added, you know.  What's here is here because it was added by folks like yourself. --Lendorien (talk) 07:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opera File System 

message: Isn't this sentence completely wrong? "Outside of Japan, the 3DO was both the first 32-bit console and the first to store games on a CD-ROM, instead of cartridges". The Amiga CD32 was released in the west in September 93, a month earlier than the 3DO. And the Sega-CD was released a full 12 months before in October 92.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverboxhandle (talk • contribs) 07:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Completely Wrong

message: Added profit for 3Do based on actual texts: "However, the 3DO unlike other competitors such as Atari's jaguar, and Sega's Saturn, was a profitable success selling millions of consoles world wide with debatable numbers sold, but not quite reaching the success they were aiming for. 3DO Company made Profit off of the 3DO continued to be active for years once they became a software company, and is often cited in business books and newsprint."
Also added the library of 3DO known titles. It is also not true, nor is there proof of the 3DO having no third-party support which is mentioned many times on the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakandsig (talk • contribs) 20:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you copy-and-pasted the wrong link, but the two sources you cite just go to search results from Google books, and there's no mention of whether or not the 3DO Company made any profit in them. As for point two, the article doesn't say that the 3DO had no third-party support anywhere that I can see, and in fact makes a couple explicit mentions of third-party support. I think you misinterpreted something.--NukeofEarl (talk) 15:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I don't have them in front of me right now, but I have newspaper articles that show this is clearly inaccurate. 3DO was a publicly traded company and therefore reported its revenues and earnings on a quarterly basis.  Newspaper articles show that the company did not record a quarterly profit at any point during its first three years of operation and lost $113 million total during those years.  The company had to continually seek new funding to cover losses and started charging developers a publishing fee on top of the regular royalty rate in an attempt to make ends meet.  The company was not profitable until 1996, which was after it sold its hardware operation and became a software company. Indrian (talk) 16:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profit and Third Party. 

message: Some of the new references added are from a site that archives news articles! I don't know where who edited found this but ever since Good removed the archive project, and then a couple months ago removed it even from the news search section it's been really really hard to find correct information of historical importance. It does not have everything, but it has sources that I otherwise would not have found or would have came from questionable sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeroyhim (talk • contribs) 03:30, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New archive of references. 

message: User ‎NukeofEarl has insisted that the line " ‎Since its discontinuation in late 1996, the 3DO has been frequently derided by video game historians.[4][5][6]" be kept as is in the lead section.  None of the sources go so far as to "deride" the console.  I have tried to tone down the statement to better match the cited source only to be reverted again by NukeofEarl.  I would appreciate somebody impartial take a look at this and give an opinion.--Asher196 (talk) 16:39, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally think it should be removed entirely because I can find 2x as many sources that say it was good. He may have left that there because he might have seen an unprofessional review of the system on Youtube and decided to continue the defaming that usually happens with most niche and only modest selling consoles. Which is a lot of consoles. KombatPolice (talk) 21:30, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Asher, I'd be more than happy to tone down the statement to a wording that still fits what the sources say. "Negatively reviewed" doesn't fit what the sources say, because the 3DO hasn't been reviewed since it was discontinued. Discontinued consoles don't get reviews, at least not from notable sources.--NukeofEarl (talk) 15:49, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derision 

message: T = Three 3
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STUDIO = TDO or 3DO  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.18.19 (talk) 13:20, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: it's "three dee oh"  Kap 7 (talk) 20:07, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  STUDIO IS IN 3DO 

message: The 3DO is one of few CD-based units that feature neither regional lockout nor copy protection, making it easy to use illegal copies or homebrew software.
I don't think this is entirely true. I believe some of the later Goldstar models e.g. have copy protection. See patent no. WO09745836A1.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.152.234.190 (talk) 20:53, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy protection 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:3DO-FZ1-Console-Set.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on January 22, 2017. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2017-01-22. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! —howcheng  {chat} 23:00, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:3DO-FZ1-Console-Set.jpg]] to appear as POTD soon 

message: This article still uses the "Worst-selling Consoles of All Time" article, which has since been determined to be unreliable, for the 3DO's sales figure. 3DO enthusiasts seem to agree that worldwide sales were somewhere from 1 million to 1.5 million, not 2 million, but unfortunately, at present I don't have a good source to replace the "Worst-selling Consoles" article. However, I've been finding bits and pieces of 3DO sales figures here and there, so I'm going to try compiling them here in hopes we'll eventually be able to narrow down a figure.
First, there's the Next Generation piece already cited in the article, cover-dated November 1995, which says worldwide sales for the 3DO stand at 750,000.
Second, the June 1996 issue of GamePro says 3DO sales in North America have yet to hit the 1 million mark.
If anybody else comes across something, please post it here!--Martin IIIa (talk) 16:58, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardware sales 

message: The name is oddly similar to the more popular (and better received) 3DS console; wouldn't it be a good idea to add some sort of a warning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guyy8fh (talk • contribs) 02:54, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The name of the 3DO article is "3DO Interactive Multiplayer" and the 3DS one is "Nintendo 3DS", so I don't think there's much chance for confusion.--Martin IIIa (talk) 12:54, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused with 3DS? 

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message: Hello,
I have decided to make an edit and change the CPU speed for the 3DO,  [since updated technical information to indicate both native chip speed and a given running speed]  as references for its ARM chip (VY86C06020FC / VY86C06020FC-2) point to it as actually being 20mhz, not 12.5mhz as priorly quoted  (with its reference being an old magazine article and not a technical reference) .  [since added reference to running speed].    The number VY86C060 is the main chip number, with 20FC being the designated speed.
(Incidentally, there are also other ARM chips in this series demarcated 25FC which run at approximately 25mhz for different systems.)
I have also changed the CPU image (to another one found in Wikimedia Commons' 3DO page) to better show the number, as some 3DO chips are marked differently (and less transparently).
All references about this particular chip that I have found point to it as being 20mhz.
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.177.11 (talk) 22:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No comment on the speed issue, but some research suggests the image change is correct. Google images has a fair number of images of 3DO system boards. The FZ-1 has the YLSI-ARM chip the IP has switched the article to, while while the replaced image of a P60ARM appears to be for the FZ-10, not the FZ-1. Note, there's actually two images of the P60ARM on commons. The second one (Which is higher res too), is labelled as being from the FZ-10. -- ferret (talk) 22:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

text: As to the speed issue, everything I found said that the VY86C06020FC is 20mhz, but I'm seeing a lot of things still saying that the 3DO was 12.5mhz, including a video series referencing overclocking it to 20mhz and forum posts refering to it as 'underclocked'. Nothing definitive, but it raises the thought that maybe they underclocked the chip to 12.5, even though it's natively 20, which would explain the odd discrepency. --PresN 01:33, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: For example, as a non-RS, this Russian 3DO forum is talking about physically modding the hardware of a 3DO, and they talk about the CPU being 12.5mhz as well as that the only other easy clock speed to adjust it to is 25mhz, because it needs to be an easy multiple of the GPU, which runs at 25mhz. They're talking about the FZ-10 version, not the FZ-1, but I really think this is what it was- that the CPU was underclocked to 12.5mhz to match 1 to 2 the 25mhz GPU, and the gaming press of the time was correct, even though the CPU can natively do better. --PresN 01:41, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, the clarification is appreciated.  So actually it does look like a 20mhz chip that has been (is being?) underclocked to 12.5mhz.  Both GPUs look to be running at 25mhz each.  Here is another reference:
https://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/panasonic-3do-overclock.87074/#post-679058
The chips in each 3DO (regardless of being FZ-1 or FZ-10 etc) should be practically identical.  (it seems unclear as to whether the numbered chip in Wikimedia is actually from an FZ-1 so changed to just "3DO".)  Some are marked VY86C060-20FC and some are VY86C06020FC-2 (which seem to be very similar).  It looks like there may only be native 20mhz and 25mhz variants of this chip (with FC likely denoting "Clock Frequency", or fc).
I have changed the article to state both the native CPU speed of the 20FC chip and a running speed.  However it may be able to do more than 12.5mhz.
08:36, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  3DO's CPU Speed 

message: I've finally decided to just remove this commentary entirely. The low video quality is an inappropriate application of hindsight (video quality can only be perceived as bad if there's a wealth of better options available), and the idea that a separately sold add-on which was supported by about three games completely solves the video quality issue in the eyes of the average consumer is beyond ludicrous.--Martin IIIa (talk) 20:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video quality 

message: Looking at this edit, which noted that the excised text was "poor analysis of the TG-16", in fact the remarks had little to do with the TurboGrafx system and had much more to do with Hawkins' perspectives of viable routes for new entrants to the console market. This is interesting from a historical perspective because Sony did indeed try and team up with Nintendo before going it alone. Moreover, Sony achieved its success by a means that Hawkins thought implausible. That NEC was a bigger company than Sony also suggests that, in hindsight, Sony was able to overcome difficulties more skilfully than potentially bringing greater resources to bear. --PaulBoddie (talk) 23:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've re-added the excised text. To reiterate, it doesn't matter if anyone agrees with the analysis or not when that analysis was driving 3DO strategy. --PaulBoddie (talk) 15:29, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trip Hawkins' analysis 

message: The Panasonic 3DO's looks similar to the Nintendo 64. Does this mean that Nintendo stole the 3DO's design when the Nintendo 64 started development in 1993 under the codename, "Project Reality?" Chadalvarez2021 (talk) 18:11, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no design thievery. People entertain this same idea regarding the GDO-203, implying it was trying to mimic the Playstation. Most things regarding design can be chalked up to mere coincidence. Archive 3DO (talk) 22:57, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison Issues