Talk:WKRK-FM

message: Should someone fix the bad cut-and-paste type move to here from WXTM? I don't have the guts to do anything about it except write this request... --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:52, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I reverted it back to the last revision of the WXTM page. --Aaron 22:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, I blanked WXTM and set it to redirect here. You had two competing versions of the same page. --Aaron 23:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad move needs fixing 

message: Whoever did this moving of call letters did it completely wrong. This article has lost it's history too. IrisKawling 16:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it was totally botched by someone. It'll take an admin to fix it all, since it involves moving back over an article with a non-empty history (my least favorite restriction in Wikipedia). Wasted Time R 16:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Not to mention the calls are still WFNY-FM and WXRK for New York and Cleveland respectively. --Tv's emory 20:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, 92.3 in NY used both sets of call letters on May 25. Although the FCC's database is not updated yet, WXRK would not have been used on 92.3 in NY if it had not been transfered back. And according to the WKRI article, the old WXRK in Cleveland began using WKRI. --Scott Alter 16:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

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message: Arbitron naming convention
RadioLocator.com naming convention
FCC naming convention compared to past callsigns
* As the above links demonstrate, the callsign suffix "-FM" is preferred over "(FM)". As such, I propose moving WKRK (FM) to WKRK-FM. Please comment. MisterE2123Five3 (talk) 07:06, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move article to WKRK-FM 

message: Only 2,000 of the 13,000 analog AM/FM radio stations in the U.S. have converted to HD; of those that have converted, all still broadcast via analog as mandated by the FCC. Moreoever, the first HD channel of every HD Radio station is a simulcast of the analog signal -- again, as mandated by the FCC.
239 million analog radio listeners in the U.S. vs. only 3 million HD Radio units. By far, analog is still the preferred choice among radio consumers.
Clearly, the infobox should reflect that analog technology is still the dominant form of transmission. It's also no secret that the radio industry has been heavily promoting HD Radio; by including only the HD Radio formats, one begins to question the credibility of this article's content. Levdr1 (talk) 22:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Analog format 

message: Please note: I've removed any mention of the Gladiators from the lead.  Rather than picking wording A over wording B, I've chosen neither until consensus is reached.
Vjmlhds believes the Cleveland Gladiators operate a radio network, and that WKRK-FM serves as that network's flagship station.  However, Vjmlhds has only provided a single source to verify his claim: a team press release from ClevelandGladiators.com.  I have a problem w/ this.  The Gladiators organization -- like any other business -- has an obvious interest in promoting itself.  It's in the team's interest to seem bigger, more important, and more popular than it really is to help generate the largest possible following.  Promoting that game day broadcasts air on a radio "network" (as opposed to one or two individual stations) helps achieve this goal.  For area listeners, the word "network" brings to mind the Browns, Cavs, and Indians radio networks -- all of which cover major league teams, all of which claim more than 20 affiliates outside the Cleveland market (incidentally, Cavs owner Dan Gilbert also owns the Gladiators).  The Ohio State radio network, which also can be heard in Cleveland, claims more than 60 affiliates.  But in the case of the non-major-league Gladiators, the team only airs on a single station outside of WKRK-FM.  So when a team press release alone claims the team airs on a "network", I'm not terribly convinced.  Per WP:SPS, "... self-published media... are largely not acceptable as sources."  The policy continues in the notes section: "Further examples of self-published sources include press releases, material contained within company websites, advertising campaigns, material published in media by the owner(s)/publisher(s) of the media group..."  With respect to sports teams, it is common practice on Wikipedia (WP:WPRS specifically) to reserve the term "radio network" for a collection of radio stations from multiple markets which air team coverage.  Similarly, it is common to reserve the term "flagship" for a radio station which is not only in the team's home market, but also part of a network.  The term simulcast is far more appropriate for a situation like this w/ only two stations (not multiple).  Of course, should reliable independent sources surface which support the team's press release, I would support a different wording.  Levdr1lp / talk 17:47, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't "believe" anything - I'm just going by what the source says.  I also think that it's not up to the individual editor what does and doesn't constitute a network.  The Gladiators consider WKRK to be their flagship radio station, and WHKZ/Warren-Youngstown as an affiliate.  It doesn't matter if it's 2 stations or 102 - if an entity considers what they have to be a network, then ultimately it's their call, because it's their baby.  It's kind of arbitrary to say "it must have X amount of stations to be considered a network".  When NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, etc. all started out, they had very few affiliates, but did that mean they weren't networks?  Everybody's gotta start somewhere.  And Levdr is trying to make it sound like it's some diabolical scheme that the Gladiators are trying to promote themselves.  Welcome to real life - that's how business works.  And so what if Dan Gilbert owns both the Cavs and Gladiators?  Paul Allen owns both the Seattle Seahawks and Portland Trailblazers...it's somehow evil to own 2 teams (or in Gilbert's case 4 - also counting the Lake Erie Monsters and Canton Charge)?  Bottom line, I don't use the term flagship just because I felt like it - it's the term used by both the team and the station on-air, online, and in print (programs), and I have a reference to back me up.  This kinda feels like a previous dispute Levdr and I had awhile back regarding the status of WMMS as an Indians flagship. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:42, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Your only source is a press release from the team.  Sources about themselves are not always reliable because they are inherently biased.  In this case, both the Gladiators and WKRK-FM have an obvious interest in promoting/marketing the team and its on-air broadcasts.  Wikipedia, however, is not promotional.  Sources must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.  I question the team's use of the term "network" because it conflicts with the reality of the team's radio partnership(s).  Also, this specific dispute has nothing to do with any station other than WKRK-FM, so I would appreciate it if you would please refrain from references to unrelated pages and stay on topic.  Levdr1lp / talk 19:10, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the radio network article, you will see the what the Gladiators are doing falls within that definition - distributing their programming to extend past the total coverage of a single signal.  The Glads wanted to expand their fan base, so they signed up with WHKZ to get a foothold in Youngstown.  As I said, you gotta start somewhere.  And by pure letter of the law, the Gladiators are trying to start a network.  I'm sorry it isn't as big as you'd like it to be. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:27, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad you mentioned the radio network article because it specifically states the following: "The Broadcast type of radio network is a network system which distributes programming to multiple stations simultaneously..."  Levdr1lp / talk 19:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

text: BTW, I'm going to assume  were unintentional.  Levdr1lp / talk 19:55, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct on the unintentional change. I ran into an edit conflict, and went back to resend my response - the deletion was done in error and I apologize for that.  And WKRK and WHKZ count as multiple stations don't they?  Not trying to be cute, but I assumed 2 = multiple.  Just for the sake of needing to know, if the Glads signed up 1 more station, would that count as a network?  I mean how many stations does it take to make a network? Vjmlhds (talk) 20:11, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't consider 2 of anything to be "multiple".  Dictionary.com defines multiple as "... consisting of, having, or involving several or many individuals, parts, elements, relations, etc." (Does 2 sound like "several" or "many" to you?)  As a bare minimum, I think in order for a radio network to be considered as such, it would have to be represented in at least three separate markets (not stations).  So if a Gladiators affiliate cropped up in Akron in addition to Cleveland & Youngstown, then I would consider that a network.  Technically.  Levdr1lp / talk 20:22, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

text: As a caveat, I also think that just because a collection of stations is technically a "network", that doesn't automatically mean it should be noted in the lead.  Coverage, yes.  Network status?  Certainly in the body, but probably not in the lead, especially if the network is not notable enough for a standalone article.  Levdr1lp / talk 20:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with all of that. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not trying to reignite the discussion about network status...that was settled.  All I was looking to do was tighten things up a little bit by including the Glads along with the personalities that WKRK is  the "radio home of".  It's an economy of words thing.Vjmlhds (talk) Vjmlhds 18:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm for word economy, but not at the expense of all other considerations; your edit somewhat awkwardly equates on-air talent to a pro sports team.  Levdr1lp / talk 19:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-published source 

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