Talk:John S. McCain Jr.

message: This article uses only one source and doesn't cover anything outside of his involvement in World War II in a meaningful way.  Much of what content exists is informal in tone and drifts into conjecture and low-value side commentary.--Rem01 10:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Completeness

message: I'm not sure if there's a guideline on this, but putting McCain's most senior commands first strikes me as stupid. It implies he went from CinCPac to Gunnel, obviously wrong...  TREKphiler hit me ♠  08:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked a few others (like Nimitz, Halsey), and they were in chrono order, so I changed it here.  Wasted Time R (talk) 04:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A sensible approach. Thanks.  TREKphiler hit me ♠  04:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: I'm in command here

message: Am I missing something? This
isn't about Jack McCain. So why's it on the main page?  TREKphiler hit me ♠  04:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a nagivation template for all the articles on subjects related to John McCain.  It appears at the bottom of all the articles mentioned in the template.  This article, being about his father, is one of them.   Wasted Time R (talk) 04:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotcha. I do find it a bit odd it's here... And did I misread the webpage saying the writer was with a newspaper?  TREKphiler hit me ♠  04:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll see similar templates at the bottom of Hugh Ellsworth Rodham and Barack Obama, Sr., just as a couple of other examples.  As for the http://www.mccain.navy.mil/Site%20Pages/namesake.aspx page, it doesn't say who the writer is, but from the last page it's one of his children, probably John but perhaps Joe.  Wasted Time R (talk) 04:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Who are you?

message: I found the Lt Cdr/service in 'nam a bit overwrought, so I del Vietnam. Also, JSM3 wasn't strictly in 'nam, he was abd Mighty O (OK, fussy). And this page is for the father, so too much detail is OT. I think the link to JSM3 & POW is enough. Anybody who can get it in more clearly, without making a separate 'graph, is probably a better writer than me. ;D  Pat Sajak spin the d*amn wheel, already   18:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was trying to get a linked reference to Vietnam War in ahead of the shoot-down over North Vietnam language, and so constructed a very unwieldy sentence (hardly my first!)  I've now put in some other material about Vietnam that serves the same purpose.  As for relevance to topic, JSM3 is certainly relevant to JSM Jr's biographical story, especially as they are so much alike in many areas of personality/character/career and so different in a few.  I've expanded the article with lots and lots of lots of JSM Jr material that has nothing to do with his son, but I won't shy away from bringing in his son where it's relevant and where other biographers do it too.  Wasted Time R (talk) 01:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't say a mention is OT, where appropriate. Junior's reaction to III's being POW & the visits to the DMZ, yeah, no sweat. It just struck me this particular case was trying to cram in too much at once, & it seemed to veer OT a bit.  TREKphiler hit me ♠  17:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good morning, Vietnam!

message: Based upon a request at the MILHIST A-Class review of this article, I contacted the webmaster at USS John S. McCain (DDG-56) to see if we could find out for sure who the author of this "Namesake" piece at the ship's website is that we use as a cite several times.  (From the text, it's clearly one of John S. McCain, Jr.'s children.)  The response I got (from an ensign gunnery officer on board the ship) was:
:Thank you for your interest. While I have yet to find definitive evidence of authorship, what I do know is strongly suggestive that Joe McCain is the author. The piece itself reads as if it were an address given at the ship's commissioning. Officers who attended the event do not recall Sen. McCain being there. They do remember Joe McCain speaking, hence my suspicion that he was the author.
Searching around the web, I have found this unofficial site which gives the same text ("There is something about the naval service that the civilian simply doesn't understand ...") and lists "Joseph McCain, July 1994" as the author, which is the date of the commissioning.  I'm not convinced that John McCain wasn't present at the commissioning – this ship's site and this press release from a few days before both say he would be/was attending – but I am convinced enough that Joe McCain is the likely author to switch the cite to say that.  Wasted Time R (talk) 15:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Authorship of "Namesake" piece

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