Talk:OS-tan/Archive 1

message: Most of the entry deletions seem to come from 220.240.x.x. Probably one guy who gets a dynamic IP from his ISP. Is there anything that can be done about it?
===RE: Vandalism ===
Well theres not much that can be done unless this artcle is protected from being edited, but I think thats not possible.
The only thing I can think of is to complain to their ISP about it, but that might take awhile (will ask my brother to find ISP of the latest IP via some way he finds out :P) then find out from there.
other then that theres no way at the moment.
(just looked up myself and heres the results:
Your inquiry: 220.240.2.29
Country/area allocated: Australia
Will look up more)
Now a message from my brother.
(220.240.2.29 resolves to dsl-29.2.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au
can anyone understand this?)
:He's got a dynamic IP from this ISP: Comindico -- Pipian
There's a regular idlechanner who always comes from that particular Comindico router, and I've never seen
anyone else from the Sydney/Australia scene that uses Comindico being an ass..
-- cjb
:Christ, someone has really been busy. I'm almost ready to suggest protection. --Paul Soth 21:59, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it seems like someone vandalizes the page every day now. I propose Protection. --Paul Soth 13:41, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Well theres not much that can be done unless this artcle is protected from being edited, but I think thats not possible.
The only thing I can think of is to complain to their ISP about it, but that might take awhile (will ask my brother to find ISP of the latest IP via some way he finds out :P) then find out from there.
other then that theres no way at the moment.
(just looked up myself and heres the results:
Your inquiry: 220.240.2.29
Country/area allocated: Australia
Will look up more)
Now a message from my brother.
(220.240.2.29 resolves to dsl-29.2.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au
can anyone understand this?)
:He's got a dynamic IP from this ISP: Comindico -- Pipian
There's a regular idlechanner who always comes from that particular Comindico router, and I've never seen
anyone else from the Sydney/Australia scene that uses Comindico being an ass..
-- cjb
:Christ, someone has really been busy. I'm almost ready to suggest protection. --Paul Soth 21:59, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it seems like someone vandalizes the page every day now. I propose Protection. --Paul Soth 13:41, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: RE: Vandalism 

message: I came here from the link on Village Pump. I'm speechless in amazement. The article is fine work, but just the idea of these personifications is so sublimely absurd. I love it. older≠wiser 16:57, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speechless 

message: The paragraph on the "Troubled Windows" Flash cartoon contradicts itself WRT the music used:
:There also exists a Macromedia Flash Animation showing a possible intro to a hypothetical, but highly unlikely, anime show, Troubled Windows. The music is Sakuranbo Kiss, by KOTOKO. The music is Our Xenopittan, from the Xenosaga Freaks Reservation Privilege CD.
So, which tune is it? Sakuranbo Kiss or Our Xenopittan?  — Gwalla | Talk 23:00, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at  and all shall become clear. cesarb 23:16, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see. Just edited to hopefully make it more clear.  — Gwalla | Talk 19:31, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flash animation music 

message: I know my English is terrible, as English is not my mother tongue...thanks Gwalla for correcting my works.
:You're welcome. Anytime.  — Gwalla | Talk 17:49, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks for correcting 

message: Do we know if the pictures in this article are actually okay to use? I get the impression that they are most certainly not public domain. Kairos 07:14, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible copyvio? 

message: I think it might be worth mentioning some of the regular 2ch memes that the OS-tans find themselves
involved with. For starters, there's the Moomins (?spelling), taken from a Finnish children's book and
cartoon... --cjb
:Moomins  — Gwalla | Talk 04:13, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regular 2ch/2chan in-jokes 

message: Or someone's idea of a joke? -Joseph (Talk) 19:05, 2004 Sep 13 (UTC)
:No it's real(although M$ may think it's a joke :) ). At least I have a figure of ME-tan, and more figure will be released.--kctsang 01:21, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's kinda both, really.  — Gwalla | Talk 01:24, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this for real? 

message: The article of Deja vu dispute is finally updated, because there are so many infomation, and the article must keep NPOV.
As most of the info about OS-tan come from Japanese site, it's hard for people without good Japanese knowledge to provide absolute correct infomation(e.g. OS-tan has no relation to Gigabyte's mascot) and keep the article update. So please 2chan user come and kindly provide information, or at least update the Japanese version of OS-tan page, so we can provide more updated and accurate information here.
>>(2chan discussion thread part 5)152
There are no need for apologise, as I didn't found the whole discussion thread in 2chan until today. In fact I should apologise for writing inaccurate information above, as I am a Chinese in Hong Kong with only basic knowledge on Japanese language. Please kindly provide more information for us to improve this article.--kctsang 07:10, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: To 2chan user

message: Chaotic. Today all related discussion thread in 2chan is deleted, and a lot of blog and bbs have related discussion. I will attempt to update the article when more conclusion can be made.
--kctsang 14:13, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current status between 2chan and Deja vu 

message: Although Lindows are now called Linspire, the character itself is designed when Lindows is still Lindows. Which one should be used, Linspire-tan or Lindows-tan? Personally I prefer Lindows-tan. (As shown in Japanese site) --kctsang 16:53, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Lindows or Linspire?

message: Well to anwser where the avatar Images came from, I kinda edited a Image that had them all on into single character images, the picture I used is on the OS-Tan Image gallery under All OSes here:
All Os-Tan Characters Image
If that don't work its on page 7 of All OSes in the Gallery
Not sure who made that image thou, but I cut it up for the images on this article
Jim-San 23:33, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: Possible copyvio? 

message: Hey, where'd the XP OS-tan go? Kim Bruning 03:33, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Lost the XP OS-tan!

message: Anyone have a link to copland art or comics to back up the entry? This is the first I've heard of it, and the thumbnail looks a little suspect.
Never heard of her before, so my guess it was probably a one-off, and is certainly not
an official OS-Girl. I'll nuke the entry. --cjb
"Official" OS-tan? You mean Futaba-only? That's hardly fun, especially if it means restrictions on what is essentially a fan-gush about creating personalities for operating systems. Does Futaba hold exclusive licenses to produce images for all the OS? And who are YOU? 
Don't be so stuffy. I thought the entry I wrote said it all about the Lain and Copeland relationship, but perhaps you didn't read it? Here are some entries that go into greater detail:
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0500092/
www.cjas.org/~leng/lain.htm#navi
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=166
http://www.geneonanimation.com/MainContentPage.aspx?PageUID=e4f7842c-b100-4a9a-8ea8-e91dfc6e5c63&hdn_ProdID=3edca179-f555-4d9d-b63a-645768c06a2d&Title=b06e36ba-b433-4949-a303-94a5e0b289f7&
And, please don't nuke anyone's entries out of hand. --seaweb
:However this is the article for OS-tan from Futaba, and I don't see this design is popular enough to be mentioned (in fact I never see it before). Even your info is worth mention in some article, it should go to article about Lain. --kctsang 01:47, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copland-tan 

message: I think "sexy" is a accurate and fair description for XP-tan(please don't consider "cute version" XP-tan only, but also those those normal scale illustration as well). --kctsang 06:23, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  About those removed "certain words" 

message: I don't think theres anything wrong with saying that about XP-tan, if she were real she'ld prob like being called sexy as that seems to be what sheld like to be called...if she was real of course *starts to look about while everyone is slowly walking away* lol
Jim-San 23:10, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: About those removed "certain words" 

message: Let's keep the focus of the article on the mascot-tans that're actually in popular usage-- and not just index everything that has had a single-example picture drawn (*cough* 'Firebird-ko', 'Copland-tan', 'Seiko-Watch-Running-OSX-via-PearPC-On-Debian-tan', etc.)
:: I'm sorry, but I would really really LOVE to see Seiko-Watch-Running-OSX-via-PearPC-On-Debian-tan.  Is there a link? :-) Rpresser 23:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The Mozilla mascots really have nothing to do with the OS-tan, except maybe being inspired by them, so they should at most have a separate article. And the ones that haven't become established yet shouldn't be here at all until they catch on.  — Gwalla | Talk 08:04, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: I've removed the "others" from the "other" section. I've never seen any of those. A separate Mozilla article was made, but merged back into this one eventually. I'm kind of iffy on keeping firebird. It's only one image, and the character isn't going to see much use with Firefox's popularity.--24.114.252.183 21:42, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Perhaps we should establish guidelines for inclusion of new characters, at the least it'll be a good way to keep artists from including their own little creations. I figure that a character must be used by at least one or two other artists other then the creator and the submitter must provide links to works (on the talk page) showing the character in use. --Paul Soth 02:38, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been several images of console mascots by different artists, think should we include them too? Trying to come up with some hard and fast rules for inclusion isn't going work. I think it's going to have to be on a case by case basis, especially for somewhat popular mascots like the browsers, that have art from multiple users but aren't in common use. --24.114.252.183 06:38, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: 'Opera-tan' probably needs to go, as imho it fits the one-off criterion. --cjb 10:11, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't remove Opera/Firefox/Thunderbird/Whatever-tan/ko, unless there is another article that covers them. Opera-tan was created by Lawrence's article. Why do you think she is not popular then? There are several artists (the ones who create Firefox/Thunderbird-lo) that create Opera-tan. You should do a Google search of Opera-tan . Firefox/Thunderbird-ko are popular so they should stay too. --Minghong 21:08, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: These three are never used in conjunction with the OS-tan, so they don't belong here. It's like including a character from a Star Wars fanfic in a list of Star Wars characters. Feel free to go into the page history and recover the removed text for a separate article.  — Gwalla | Talk 02:51, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You misunderstood my point... Although they are not OS-tans, they are similar. Also, Firefox/Thunderbird-ko was once belong to "Mozilla-tan", but it was people'e decision to merge them back. So before they have their own article (with enough content), they should just stay here for a while... --Minghong 04:47, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I understood your point completely, but you're ignoring mine. They don't belong here because they are not OS-tans. They were just inspired by the OS-tans. Dungeons & Dragons was (partly) inspired by Lord of the rings, but that doesn't mean the former subject belongs in an article on the latter. Similarity and inspiration are not equivalence.  — Gwalla | Talk 01:19, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Maybe create a new page called "Software personification" (seems to too broad as OS is a software), "Application personification" (or "Application software personification") or "Web browser personification" (seems to too narrow) and move all these 3 there. Personally I think "Application software personification" would be the best, through a length name... Agree? --Minghong 04:56, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that will do any good. No one uses those names to refer to them. Plus, what the mascots are is already covered here, so it'd be redundant. As for Opera-tan. On the one hand, it's only been around for a couple of weeks. However in that time it already has almost as much art as Firefox, and probably more than Thunderbird.  But in the end it's probably too early to include here. Sure it's inspired a bit of artwork for now, but if it stops there it might as well be a one-off like the mascots for Slackware and Google. Come to think of it, I haven't seen any new Firefox art in a while, and even less of Thunderbird. If you're that set on including Opera-tan, why not put it in the Opera_(browser) article as an "Unofficial mascot"? On a side note, I'm removing the breast size mention about Opera. None of the images make reference as to whether the system requirements have anything to do with the design. Compare that to the frequent references to XP's breasts and hunger in comics and individual images.--24.114.252.183 06:38, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs Less "One-off" Mascots 

message: In my humble opinion, theses contributions about OS-tan are very good ! I discovered the OS-tan few days ago but this trend isn't well known in France. So I'm interested to translate them in french. Don't panic. I know my english is terrible but I'm not bad to understand english writes.
But I don't know if I can translate him and re-use pictures freely, the fair use right is a little blur for me...
mAn ^^"
:This site has spaces for translation in French and other languages.  Don't worry about copyright on the images, these are all made by fans and most people aren't uptight about their images getting passed around. In fact, most of them were uploaded to public image boards by the artists. If you're not too confident on your skills, you can use this collaboration system to work on it with friends!  Just enter the image address in the bottom of the page and add notes. However, the translation site doesn't allow direct linking so you'll have to host the images yourself or put them in a place like this or this. --24.114.252.183 00:41, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  French translation ? 

message: It seems like an inordinate amount of space is dedicated to the Futaba Channel/Deja Vu dispute - more than the entire History section.  Also, it's noted as "still under discussion", but at the bottom it says "To the date of this edit (September 24, 2004)".  Needs updated, and possibly, spun off into its own page.
--Ununnilium 10:11, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arguments 

message: Does anyone have a link to the manga in which Me-tan slays everyone in the Netrun office with B. GATE's knife? -James A. Calwell III 16:35, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  B. GATE 

message: I'm not sure but it seems it stems from not de-fraging the Hard Drive enough, Just FYI as a fair amount of people don't know this. --Theredstarswl 06:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Futanari Mode" 

message: I don't know enough about the dispute, but the section is a mess. Anybody with enough knowledge to clean it up? - L0ne 17:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup of the dispute section 

message: I'd like to present the suggestion to rename the article from "OS-tan" to "OS girls". "OS girls" is the far more common usage in Japanese, and the current title makes people unfamiliar with Japanese to mis-interpret the "-tan" suffix as meaning "mascot", causing confusion. Thoughts?
--130.232.31.109 11:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion to rename the article 

message: Why do people consistently say on the talk page that the characters aren't copyrighted, yet the article consistently points otherwise? - Sikon 14:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright 

message: Though OS-tan is a meme first and foremost, the renditions of some artists are similar to western webcomics.  So, I've added this article to the ones we watch.  I'm a bit surprised Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga hadn't done the same thing already, but I guess OS-tan is a bit of an odd bird.  (I also added  to this talk page since it's a big 'un). –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 22:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics]] 

message: I have noticed that someone is now trying to get this article deleted. I'm all for Wikipedia's deletion policy, but why this article?--NewYinzer 01:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OS-tan for the reasons someone wants to delete the article. -- ReyBrujo 01:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion policy?