Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer

message: Hello Beer lovers 
currently the Template:Infobox Beer refers to Template:Infobox beverage 
the content of that template is: 
 
However the supercede content which was 
 
On the dutch wiki 
they use following template 

where 
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could be added  
I would like Project Beer Feedback before reactivating Infobox Beer instead of Infobox beverage--DerekvG (talk) 17:33, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The appropriate template for drink products is Template:Infobox drink. The appropriate template for the companies/breweries which make the product/beer is Template:Infobox company. Guidelines and advice for beer related articles are at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Guidelines. SilkTork (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template Infobox Beer  

message: Hi could someone have a look at this page and help the creator of the page who is a declared paid COI user User:Justindevine (employee of the meadery) with the editing I have told them that they should go through edit requests and not edit the article directly. I removed a lot of stuff that looked promotional and awards that are user generated on rate beer but from what I can gather you guys use this site as a reliable source for notability. It was Afded once but kept. I think it would be better if someone from the project took this over. Thanks for your help. Domdeparis (talk) 08:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That company doesn't make beer - it is not a brewery. It is a wine-maker, as cider and mead are products of vinification. Try asking on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wine. SilkTork (talk) 16:40, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  ok thanks for that. Do you have an opinion on using rate beer as a reliable source though? Dom from Paris (talk) 10:26, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not considered a reliable source as it is user generated. We can use it for basic facts, but not for establishing notability. I'm an admin on the RateBeer, but I tend to remove links to RateBeer as they are mostly inappropriate. SilkTork (talk) 22:47, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Great thanks for that it was more or less the conclusion that I had drawn but it's good to have it confirmed. Cheers. Dom from Paris (talk) 08:28, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Superstition Meadery]] 

message: Hi everyone,
I've created an Untappd template, for the external links sections on breweries' articles. It's . Look up the name of the brewery on Untappd, as the name on Untappd isn't always the same as their actual name. For instance, Firestone Walker Brewing Company is called Firestone Walker. If you leave the last field open, it'll use the name of the article. So  becomes Firestone Walker Brewing Company on untappd.com. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 16:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As Untappd is a social-networking site it is not an appropriate site to put into External links per WP:LINKSTOAVOID. SilkTork (talk) 16:36, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untappd template 

message: Our title guideline for breweries (WP:Brewery name) says " As breweries tend to have a product with the same name as the company - Heineken, Carlsberg, Coors, etc. - it is conventional to identify the brewing company/brewery as such, even when the product does not have a standalone article. So: Heineken International, Carlsberg Group, Coors Brewing Company, etc. The most common identifying global term is Brewery, though Brewing Company is preferred in North America." The use of Brewery with an initial capital letter gives the impression that it is a formal part of the name. Some breweries may indeed be called Foo Brewery, but some may just be Foo, or may be Foo plc, or similar in their legal name, but not Foo Brewery. In such cases it might be better to use a lower case initial letter. See User_talk:SilkTork#Greene King. So instead of Greene King or Greene King Brewery we should have Greene King brewery. We would still differentiate Guinness from Guinness Brewery and Heineken from Heineken International, and comply with the consistency element in WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, but would avoid giving the impression that "Greene King Brewery" is the official name of the company. There would be a little bit of work involved in checking if a brewery was called "Foo Brewery" rather than just "Foo", but that could generally be done on an AWB sweep by looking at the lead as most articles tend to give the official or legal name in the first sentence, or in the infobox. Thoughts? SilkTork (talk) 09:26, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections here, but probably not something that is super urgent.  But if someone felt like tackling it...   Neil916 (Talk) 19:44, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be prepared to do it with AWB. SilkTork (talk) 19:59, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion below makes me doubt that this would be a task that is well-handled by an automated process.  Neil916 (Talk) 15:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: AWB is not automated, it is an editing tool that makes editing easier, and so is seen as semi-automated. The AWB would be simply set up to trawl through the brewery articles, and to enter an edit summary, but the actual decision and edit would be made by the operator. However, I'm not doing anything until we have some consensus on what to do. SilkTork (talk) 16:57, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Sure, sounds fine to me. brewery is OK, in my view, no need to say Brewing Company. And I am in North America. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:05, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:Disambiguation allows for WP:Natural ("Foo brewery"), and that choice comes before others, such as parenthetical ("Foo (brewery)"). SilkTork (talk) 16:57, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Small breweries (e.g., Dragonmead) are easier.  The larger problem is mergers and acquisitions.  Even establishments that started as microbrewery, e.g., Goose Island got bought by Amheuser Busch/Inbev.  Likewise with SAB/Miller.  And these few oligopolies control huge portions of the world beer market.  These are like nesting dolls.  See Matryoshka principle.  22:57, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Change brewery titles?

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After assigning the appropriate WikiProjects (including this one) on its talk page, and while filling out the infobox for the article, I realized that there actually is a lack of clarity about what exactly this stub is about. Given the information in the article, it appears to be referring to the Mein Aventinus, also known as TAP6 or Unser Aventinus. This is only one among many Aventinus-brand bocks, however, with the Aventinus Eisbock being among the more popular examples (my German friend is familiar with the latter, but not the former). Consequently, this article seems to be ambiguous and should be either renamed or altogether rewritten to be about the Aventinus brand.
The reason why I haven't done either, however, is because it is frankly unclear to me whether the Mein Aventinus, or even the Aventinus brand itself, is sufficiently notable to have an article. I am definitely not an expert on these matters, nor do I even drink alcoholic beverages more than a few times a year, so I am coming here to see if anyone who is (and does?) can help out. I do not recall ever nominating an article for deletion and would rather this not be the first, so I encourage anyone here who thinks they can rescue this article before I seriously consider nominating it for deletion to please do so. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 18:01, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have merged it into G._Schneider_%26_Sohn#Beers per WP:Beer brands and WP:PRODUCT. SilkTork (talk) 14:03, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aventinus... what? 

message: Draft:Midnight Sun Brewing Company
I'd like help getting support for the article expansion I just sent for review (and was rejected quickly). By the rejection notes pretty much any craft-size brewery would be ineligible for Wikipedia includion. I thought my souces were great and varied, they dumped on it.
Wikipedia doesn't like "award-wining" because it sounds promotional, but in the beer industry notability comes directly from awards. No awards = not worthy of writing about. Thanks!Luke Kindred (talk) 21:38, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: An article on Midnight Sun Brewing Company has existed since 2009, and I see that you managed to merge in the content from the draft a couple of days ago. SilkTork (talk) 14:11, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Midnight Sun Brewing Co. AK - Draft 

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Our favorite yeast?  Probably not. But no pretense of compliance with WP:Before.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:05, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Candida blankii]]

message: After reading the recent AFD for Midnight Sun Brewing Company, can this be similarly salvaged?  This was tagged for speedy, which I removed until some sort of expert help can come along.  I no longer have access to brewing-specific sources like I did some years ago, but I suspect this brewery's acclaim is fairly recent and those sources wouldn't necessarily help anyway. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  01:24, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[49th State Brewing Company]] 

message: Would someone from this WikiProject mind taking a look at this article? It's not really very well sourced and seems to have been as such for quite some time. Article was assessed as being of mid-importance to this WikiProject so perhaps it's been changed quite a bit since that assessment was made. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:59, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Moorhouse's Brewery]] 

message: Any interest in cleaning this article up? --The Huhsz (talk) 10:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lucky Lou's]] 

message: Greetings, For WP Beer, I added progression, pie graphs, rainbow for assessment statistics. JoeNMLC (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Assessments section, updated 

message: Hello, the article Christina Perozzi and Hallie Beaune is currently orphaned. I failed in my attempts to link to it; since people here are familiar with the topic, you may have more luck. A list of authors who write about beer could be a worthwhile addition to your project, perhaps. Cheers, Robincantin (talk) 13:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @. Thanks for bringing this up, but if you click on "what links here" there are a couple of links to the article so it's not actually orphaned.Tammbecktalk 13:30, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @, thanks for the rapid response. Yes, I put homebrewing just after leaving the message here. The other links are just transclusion, redirects, talk or other admin pages. A list or navbox would make pages about beer authors more visible, I think.Robincantin (talk) 13:40, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @. I've added the category "Beer writers" to the article which will hopefully help with visibility.Tammbecktalk 13:43, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Orphaned article

message: Is it more appropriate to name the article Orval Brewery or Orval (beer)?  (en, it, pt) vs  (18 wikis + en. wiki redirect Orval beer)? What is the criteria for choosing one or the other? Could we unify both elements and articles? Both the history of the brewery and the description on the beer can fit in one article, I don't think there is enough content to have two standalone articles. In the case of trappist breweries there is also the abbey articles. Triplecaña (talk) 12:43, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beer or brewery (only one brand produced) 

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beer in Tasmania. ~EdGl talk 19:45, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Beer in Tasmania]] article is up for deletion 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Holl
What do you think my chances are of getting this published?
Seems to be worthy based on these other entries here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Beer_writers  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TimHitchings (talk • contribs) 19:25, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It was just rejected due to lack of good sourcing, and I agree – you'll need to find some independent sources. I just made some minor, mostly grammar/visual fixes, but nothing that addresses the main issue. ~EdGl talk 20:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Yes, but read WP:GNG to see what kind of sourcing you need to get an article approved. (And please sign your comments by typing ~~~~.) ~EdGl talk 21:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

text: You can try Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request (I had to use it very recently, in fact). ~EdGl talk 21:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft of John Holl article submitted 

message: I just spent a day writing three profiles of Nottinghamshire breweries only for someone to come along and delete them. I don't know how to fix this. They were not promotional. There were lots of external citations and just neutral reporting in a standard format. The ones that have been deleted were all on the UK list so they're not unknown but sizeable micro breweries. Specifically this affects: Springhead Fine Ales and Welbeck Abbey Brewery. I noticed on the list that others are also now in red so likely removed: Tirril Brewery, Shotover Brewery, Loddon Brewery, and Abbeydale Brewery. If craft brewery pages are simply going to get deleted then please can someone make a note to say not to bother writing them because it's a massive waste of time and effort. I do feel this is vandalism by people who're not interested in the topic and it creates a lack of balance. How is it promotional to write about a small firm but big firms all have profiles? It's mad because the industry has completely altered to a craft brewing scene. I'd really like to write profiles of small to mid sized brewers but I don't want to waste my time researching all the info just to have them deleted at a stroke. SandrinaHatman (talk) 16:58, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Nottinghamshire breweries

message: I've created the new entry Imperial Bottle Shop & Taproom, which was nominated for deletion overnight. I invite project members to weigh in at AfD and/or help by adding Wikipedia-appropriate beer publications to the article (or even just the External links section). I ask because I'm less familiar with which beer websites (BeerAdvocate, The New School, etc) are acceptable. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:50, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imperial Bottle Shop & Taproom 

message: I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
*John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.)
and turns it into something like
* John Smith "" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
It will work on a variety of links, including those from ,  and .
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
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This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  User script to detect unreliable sources 

message: Hi! Just wanted to draw your attention to a new template  which may be of interest. It can be used in tables of awards won by breweries, such Pabst Brewing Company#Awards and Archipelago Brewery#Awards, to ensure that the awards are sorted in a sensible order. Cheers! — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 13:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template available for sorting awards 

message: According to this page on the Carlsberg group site,
 “1664” was created in 1952 to celebrate the coronation of Queen Elisabeth II.
Weird. I'll make the change to the 1664 (beer) article.  Scarabocchio (talk) 17:00, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Queen Elizabeth II connection 

message: Hello! I am a college student in a Digital Humanities class, and was asked to review a Wikipedia page for an assignment and post it to the talk page, so here it is!
"One of the very first things that struck me as out of place was the Article Assessments table insert. The opening page is welcoming and informative, but the graph under that info is distracting to some important topics. May or may not just be my ADHD though (haha). The article was stated to have been made in 2005, so this tells me that it's a mature page that probably is updated regularly with active participants. I do love the other use of color and graphics though, as it helps the reader to figure out what each link is leading them to. The article appears very neutral, only stating facts and information on the topic. It seems very well-represented, as there are loads of links to take you to more and more information on the subject of beer and every aspect about it, even including home brewing. This article reaches a wide audience and has the information to aid in that. There are many linked references near the bottom of the first page, stating where the info came from and how to join. The citations seemed to represent the info on the page well, and the links to those sites worked as well. Within these references, though, it seems to be very European. Most of the pages reference "pubs" and France, Belgium, and Great Britain, and there is only one link to American-style pubs. The Talk page is full of helpful members offering information to be added to the article, and seems very professional and cordial. There is no rating on the talk page. Overall the entire article seems slick and pristine, well-done!" ~~~~ Alyssadarby18 (talk) 02:58, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evaluation of this page for class! 

message: Bailey's Taproom has been nominated for deletion, if project members care to weigh in. --Another Believer (Talk) 19:21, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bailey's Taproom 

message: Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a  parameter to , which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.
No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to , and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.
However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass  a new  parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:22, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project-independent quality assessments 

message: Why is this website used for all assessment links, instead of Wikipedia?
Example: https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Beer/articles?quality=Portal-Class&importance=NA-Class
Thanks, -- Ooligan (talk) 18:02, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Assessment  

message: Talk:Beer in Belgium#Beer in Belgium or Belgian beer culture? -- Mastrocom (talk) 11:09, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: There is a deletion discussion ongoing regarding the article Premium Beer. The discussion can be found here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Premium_Beer. Regards, BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:58, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for Deletion - [[Premium Beer]] 

message: FYI this is how Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer's headings look using Wikipedia:Dark mode (gadget).   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  21:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project page's heading text is illegible in dark mode 

message: You are invited to comment on the featured article candidacy for Blackrocks Brewery at this link. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC for Blackrocks Brewery