Talk:Pegasus

message: I just added a paragraph or two from Tem42's writeup on Everything2: http://everything2.com/?node_id=1395181
I have his permission to port any of his E2 writeups to the Wikipedia. Please feel free to incorporate any other information you feel is worth including. -- General Wesc 01:56, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I ditched the "Pegasus atop the Opera house" image, which looked like something I'd find at a yard sale. Alexander 007 19:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's stubby, but not a stub. I placed a template for expansion. Alexander 007 00:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: NOT a winged unicorn. A unicorn has a many horn, pegasus does not. Why the redirect? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonged_unicorn —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.215.192.111 (talk) 01:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because we haven't got an article on winged unicorns (alicorns / cerapters / pegacorns / unipegs). You could try to get the redirect deleted if you think it's worth the effort. Or you could write an article. --Zundark 11:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, looking at the edit history of winged unicorn, I see that it was originally intended as a redirect to winged equine. This makes sense, as a unicorn is certainly an equine (in the sense in which that term is used in fantasy circles), and the winged equine article even mentioned winged unicorns as an example. But someone objected to the winged equine article, and redirected it to pegasus. This made winged unicorn into a double redirect, which someone duly fixed. Thus a correct redirect became an incorrect redirect. --Zundark 12:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pegasus is a winged horse 

message: - Was Argos that gave its name to Arzawa?
Note: The word "wa' means "land" in Hittite language.
- Was Bellerophon, the Corinthian prince of Greek Mythology, the same person with Uhhaziti, king of Arzawa?
- Was Arza-wa the "Argive land" (i.e. Achaean or Mycenean colonies), in Asia Minor (or else, Anatolia), in 16, 15, 14 centuries B.C. ?
- Was Madduwatta or Maddywattes, the Lukkan king of Arzawa (1360? B.C.) the same person with Jobates, the king of Lycia according to Greek Mythology?
- - Is exact the etymology, below ? :
Madduwatta < Maddu-watta < (Madd)u-watta < Uwatta < Ιοβάτα < Ιοβάτης (Jobates or Iobates)
- Was Piyama-Kurunta, Arzawean general and son of Uhhaziti, the king of Arzawa, the same person with Hippolochus  (= he who is leader of cavalry, in Greek), the first son of Bellerophon or with ("Pegasus (the Corinthian)", the mythical horse of Bellerophon?
Note: 
Hippolochus = Hippus ( = horse, in Greek) + lochus ( = group of soldiers, in Greek).
--IonnKorr 08:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pegasus, [[Hippolochus]] and [[Piyama-Kurunta]]

message: Hey I have to do a report on Pegasus for a class....anyone have any odd-ball info that no one really knows???? thanks
     --ElvenLady~HobbitGirl 00:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pegasus Project 

message: didn"t hercules have one (or was that just in the disney version)--I.W 20:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hercules 

message: WAS UP Pegasus was born from the neck of Medusa when she was beheaded by the hero Perseus. (Medusa seduced Poseidon into laying down with her on the alter of Athena, enraging the goddess, and Medusa was punished, but that has nothing to do with the project) Wherever the steed touched hoof to earth, a spring burst out there. One such spring became sacred to the Muses. Athena caught and tamed Pegasus and presented him to the Muses, and he worked for them for a while. Bellerophon wanted to catch Pegasus, but never could. A wise person called Polyidus advised him to sleep on the alter of Athena. Bellerophon did, and, in his sleep, was visited by Athena. She gave him a golden bridle. in the morning, Bellerophon found the golden bridle still on the alter. He picked it up and went to find Pegasus. When the horse saw Bellerophon with the bridle, he came to him an let the hero ride him. While riding Pegasus, Bellerophon killed the Chimaera. He then tried to fly up Mt. Olympus on Pegasus's back. Zeus became outraged at this, and sent a gadfly to sting Pegasus. Pegasus bucked, and Bellerophon fell down to earth. Athena spared his life by allowing him to land on soft ground. However, Bellerophon spent the rest of his life miserably, as a blind cripple. Pegasus found a sanctuary on the side of Mount Olmypus and was allowed to stay there. He spent the rest of his days carrying thunderbolts for Zeus. Pegasus chose his mate, Ocyrrhoe (also known as Euippe), and thus began the family of winged horses. On the last day of Pegasus's life, Zeus turned him into a constellation. However, one feather fell to earth near a city called Tarsus, thus its name*. 
I know most of this is already on Wikipedia's article on Pegasus, but that's why I need the other odd-ball info so much. 
*I don't get why Tarsus's name has to do with Pegasus...I looked it up and the article said it had to do with being named after a pegan god. Clarification on this would be nice. :)
thanks, though, I.W.!       --ElvenLady~HobbitGirl 00:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps Zeus-Jupiter is the intended Pagan god, but as Tarhunz, whom, I believe, was Baal Tars. 2601:1C0:CA00:7720:2D7E:39F0:FA81:9394 (talk) 16:43, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  YES Hercules, I dont think... 

message: What educated source would possibly call the plural that?
This should be deleted. the plural is pegasi
Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: Peg·a·sus 
Pronunciation: 'pe-g&-s&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin (genitive Pegasi), from Greek PEgasos —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.44.31.196 (talk) 16:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Genitive means POSSESSIVE. It doesn't make sense to use that word as a plural form of a noun. There CAN'T be a plural for Pegasus, since it is the name of one specific, unique creature, and not just a generic term for winged horses.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.38.252.197 (talk) 09:28, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I definately don't think "pegasuses" is acceptable. It sounds, well.. childish, even. The Latin pluralisation of such words is also by far the more common usage over original Greecian plurals or.. I have to admit the Liddel-Scott work is a take I've never heard before. Octopus/octopi, campus/campi, cactus/cacti, ect. Regardless of language dominance, "pegasuses" is wrong and decidedly lowbrow for an excyclopedia. Angel the Techrat 15:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My question now is how common is the word “Pegasi” outside of astronomy? To my knowledge it isn’t (even in heraldry the pluralization is a mixed bag), which is why I wanted to discuss this on a technical level. By the way, “campus” was originally a Latin word, so it’s a non-example of Greek pluralization versus Latin pluralization. Also, according to the OED, “cactuses” is the more common pluralization of “cactus”, which just exemplifies the confusion regarding these words. I won’t make this more of an argument than it already is and accept “Pegasi” without further complaint, but considering the support of the OED, I would hesitate to call “pegasusses” lowbrow (although I might call my mistaken spelling “pegasuses” that). AstroPig7 13:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: * Removed erroneous statement. AstroPig7 13:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: * Even within astronomy, 'Pegasi' is genitive singular, not nominative plural. Agemegos 01:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I suggest that an encyclopaedia entry on an unique individual does not need a discussion of the plural of his name. We don't discuss the plural of 'Hercules' on the page about Hercules. We don't discuss the plural of 'Catherine the Great' on the page about Catherine the Great. Insofar as winged horses may be called 'pegasi' as, say, an heraldic charge or part of some mythological or fictional species, the plural form should be discussed in a separate article on that species, or at very least in separate a section at the end of the article on Pegasus, the son of Poseidon and mount of Bellerophon. Agemegos 01:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Actually, it is common to pluralize a name like Oprah Winfrey. It might not be correct canonical English, but it's not unusual to say something like "What this world needs is more Oprah Winfreys" or "It would take a lot of Oprah Winfreys to read all those books." The same sorts of things could be said about many Pegasuses. However, you're correct in that it would be referring to a plural number of a unique entity, and not a generic plural of winged horses.
It would see that the people at Hasbro reject the notion that you cannot (or should not) use a fake-Latinate plural "pegasi" and with their My Little Pony brand they've mainstreamed the term pegasi for a whole generation as a generic term for winged horses. -- 109.77.193.38 (talk) 15:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pegasuses?!? 

message: I'd like a primary source for this. This is the first time I've ever heard of a race of winged horses, and I'd like to include the original source(s). T@nn 08:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race of winged horses? 

message: Um...I got my information on the "Race of Winged Horses", as it is called above, here on Wikipedia. I'm sure that with research there would be other sites backing this up, but I'm almost positive that there IS a "race" (let's just call it "family") of winged horses. NOT unicorns or whatever the plural of that is (those have a single horn on their foreheads), but horses that have wings.
--ElvenLady~HobbitGirl 02:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Race of Winged Horses 

message: I'm inclined to delete the bracketed bit - (hence its name) - as the actual Tarsus page's information on the city's name appears to contradict the bracketed information on this page. There are ties to Pegasus, but not in the way that this page makes it appear (no mention of a feather on the Tarsus page). Further, the bracketed bit makes it seem as if Pegasus is the only source of the city's name, which doesn't appear to be so on the Tarsus page. Thoughts? Ultatri 15:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tarsus 

message: Does it have any connection with the Persian word "Pegah" (پگاه ) that means "dawn"? --Alborz Fallah 17:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian ? 

message: Through checking the web I found many depictions of the pegasus constellation and none of them look like the one shown in the .gif image, i.e http://www.utahskies.org/deepsky/constellations/maps/Pegasus.jpg
the one shown in the article seems to elaborate witch is quite unusual for a constellation, is this correct? or should the image be changed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.123.110.70 (talk) 19:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Shape of the constellation 

message: The "death" section says Pegasus was immortal, which is a contradiction.  By "immortal" did the author mean something metaphorical with the constellation, or did the author mean "mortal" instead? Dwr12 (talk) 04:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to say "Pegasus was not immortal". Somebody removed the "not" - maybe just vandalism. --Zundark (talk) 08:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immortal 

message: Hello, i'm completing the article on the franch wikipédia about Pegasus. You can see it here : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9gase_(mythologie). Can you translate it for here ? my english level is really too low to do that...  --Tsaag Valren (talk) 23:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I could try to help you. My French is horribly elementary. Um, is the below comment vandalism? It's kinda useless... suzumebachi٭secret 17:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, Suzu, whatever happened to those articles I gave you about vandalism?  If you think it is useless (which it is) then undo it, and leave a message on the person's talk page with the  template, because it is unsourced. ~Rhana~{♦} talk page 19:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... I've seen that YOU have reverted non-vandalism edits. Go contribute/expand this page or something... suzumebachi٭secret 22:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  French wikipedia for "Pegasus" 

message: The following has been posted at User talk:Kubigula: 
Your insertion at Pegasus.  that the name's origins may come from the word in the Luwian language: pihassas, meaning "lightning"... "or, you added, " from Pihassasas, the name of an ancient weather god meaning "god of lightning"" has been commented out as unattested  at Google Scholar or JSTOR. Can you provide a published citation for Pihassasas, aside from Wikipedia mirrors on the Internet? You needn't contact me directly: Talk:Pegasus would be the appropriate place. Thank you.Wetman (talk) 20:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you have the wrong person.  I haven't made any substantive edits to this article - at most I may have done a vandalism reversion.  I take no position on the issue above.--Kubigula (talk) 03:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true, here's the sources here in english :  http://books.google.com/books?id=hzfsfoJc1CwC&lpg=PA559&dq=pihassas&hl=fr&pg=PA559#v=onepage&q=pihassas&f=false and here in french : http://books.google.com/books?id=BY9pQIvc4-oC&pg=PA303&dq=P%C3%A9gase+dieu+louvite&hl=fr&ei=F8srTMCYGZWWOMymqbgJ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=P%C3%A9gase%20dieu%20louvite&f=false . Sorry my Google book is in french too. --Tsaag Valren (talk) 09:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:   [[Pegasus]] and ''Pihassasas'' [sic] 

message: Pegasus: winged horse in Gk. mythology, late 14c., from L., from Gk. Pegasos, usually said to be from pege "spring, font" (pl. pegai), especially in "springs of Ocean," near which Medusa was said to have been killed by Perseus (Pegasus sprang from her blood). But this may be folk etymology, and the suffix -asos suggests a pre-Gk. origin.
from: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=Pegasus&searchmode=none
Hieroglyphic Hittite asu, asuwa (horse) - this form made some scientists say that *-k- in *ekwo- was palatal *-k'- that changed into -s- in Anatolian languages;  
Lycian esbedi (cavalry)
from: http://indoeuro.bizland.com/project/phonetics/word3.html
In fact, Hieroglyphic Hittite = Hieroglyphic Luwian!
Asu(Luwian) > Asos (with Greek -os suffix!)
Pege(Greek) = Pege(Luwian) = "spring, font"
Pegasos(Greek) = Pegasus(Latin)= "spring-horse" Böri (talk) 14:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: The article intro states definitively that Pegasus was sired by Poseidon.  Later the Birth section indicates this as just one of three stories.  The pedigree table falls back to the assumption of the introduction. Can anyone clarify this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.189.157 (talk) 14:52, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can clarify it, but I'm french and my english is bad : Pedigree of Pegasus is made with the Theogony of Hésiode, who is the most ancien source about the myth. It is Ovide who write later in the Métamorphoses that Pegasus born from his mother's blood. --Tsaag Valren (talk) 09:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pedigree contradiction?