Talk:Imaginationland Episode I

message: And is thus discouraged under Wikipedia guidelines.  Please tag as such.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.167.105.234 (talk) 12:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NO. For god's sake, no.
I give up, what exactly is wrong with a trival section anyway?
70.88.213.74 20:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: read WP:TRIVIA - not that I agree with it. StuartDD contributions 22:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Allusion section is trivia

message: Just out of curiousity, had Jesus appeared in Imaginationland, would he have counted as a fictional character in the list?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.33.21 (talk) 01:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if Ra and Anubis appeared there, then so would any other Religious character; Jesus included. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 01:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  But Muhammad and Joseph Smith are both in there as well and they are independently verifiable historical figures. So what's up with that? 68.175.49.98 17:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe.... just maybe.... it's a joke?!??? 69.132.53.190 02:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Jesus was there in part one of imaginationland, see http://www.southparkstudios.com/downloads/preview/?id=7508 70.17.9.56 06:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Has there been an official announcement that the terrorists were indeed followers of Islam?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.97.55 (talk) 04:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. Allah is assosciated with Islam. 2. This is the imagination of America. In America's imagination all terrorists are Muslim.
~~Lazyguythewerewolf . Rawr. 09:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Muslim terrorists"?

message: Does anyone know if the truck scene with Cartman heading to DC was parodying something specific?
:It definately is a specific parody.  I believe it represents one of those situations  with a discharged soldier coming back (from vietnam, etc.) to settle an old score.  Im thinking Sylvester Stallone but im not sure.               - CBhadha   10/17/07  10:52 PM EST
I thought it was parodying Optimus Prime.--70.253.203.15 07:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jericho came to my mind at first.. I must be wrong? --nlitement [talk] 23:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are definitely wrong.  It's not a parody of Jericho or Optimus Prime, it's a parody of the movie First Blood...Cartman is dressed and talks like Rambo.  -- 71.255.82.50
Its definitely from First Blood.  His cloths are the exact same and the line is very similar  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kangolcone (talk • contribs) 04:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, it's from the TV series 24 (or rather adapted from there). It is called "Bierko entering the gas company". 134.99.178.109 (talk) 12:35, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Truck Scene at End of Episode

message: When the Boys first enter Imaginationland, the Superbest friends are seen, however, Muhammad and Jesus are not there.
:I wonder if it has to do with CC being angry with thinking of them as "imaginary" or if they will be in the episode later. Things just dont happen for no reason.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.193.238 (talk) 08:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HA!  He just said that things don't happen for no reason on South Park.  :) 151.191.175.232 20:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Jesus, Satan, God, e.t.c. have been featured more on the show then the others. Wouldn't it be kind of strange for them to be "imaginary" all of a sudden?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.71.169 (talk) 09:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Jesus is in Imaginationland, being King Aragorn. Mallerd 20:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler Alert

message: Basically the beach scene.  ýPreceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.227.3 (talk) 02:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't there a scene in Black Hawk Down that was similar to this as well?    --RckmRobot 02:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: * No. --Haizum    μολὼν λαβέ 21:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I thought it was more of a parody of The Kingdom, as was the pentagon scene 66.27.118.245 06:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: *No. --Haizum    μολὼν λαβέ 21:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, that scene of Ronald McDonald picking up his severed arm is a direct lift from SPR. Inkan1969 14:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saving Private Ryan and Stan 

message: The episode calls itself "Kyle Sucks Cartman's balls: The Trilogy" so shouldn't this title be used, or at least acknowledged as the secondary title?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.109.203 (talk) 10:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: Shouldn't this page be renamed Imaginationland Part 1?--Cartman0052007 03:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure the second one will be called "Part 2"? Part 2 might be named something else [for example: Do the Handicapped Go to Hell? (1) and Probably (2)]. Wait until more info comes out before you post it. The Chronic 06:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stupid Questions 

message: It's actually based off of the part from red dawn where the group is driving away and a group of soviet paratroopers jump the guy with the glasses. It's very similar  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.115 (talk) 03:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't recall the Soviet paratroops beating the crap out of the kid with the glasses and forcing him to read a statement on television, but I'll let your comments stand - if only because Red Dawn is one of the finer versions of campy 1980s films trying to teach us how to hate the Russians. --166.102.104.78 04:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same could be said about the scene from Platoon douchebag, the scene that Wikipedia is citing as refences, which is actually isn't the scene of LT Wolfe being blinded by a Frag Garnade, but the scene of Sgt Elias being left behind as Barnes anounced his death. Now I don't usually use the term douchebag, but since your smugness offends me, I think it is accurate; almost as accurate as saying the scene of Butters being left behind is a refeneces to Red Dawn, than Platoon.  74.77.105.6 07:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not at all like Platoon. I have a copy of the film and just reviewed the key scenes - THERE ARE NO RELEVANT SIMILARITIES. --Haizum    μολὼν λαβέ 14:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: SP has made previous Red Dawn analogies.  For instance "Avenge me!" from inside a prison camp.  The movie is both campy and has a Colorado reference.  And allows SP to be both mocking and pro redneck in the cool way that they are.  You fucking commies, you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TCO (talk • contribs) 23:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The scene is OBVIOUSLY referencing Platoon.  Whoever removed this has apparentely never seen the movie (or reviewed the "key scenes" well!). The following link is a Youtube clip of the actual scene from Platoon that South Park referenced (specifically the part of the clip beggining at the 2:00 mark)  The allusion has been placed back in the article.--Holtskee 02:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butters being left Behind 

message: * The scene where the Defense Department gets help from movie directors alludes to the ongoing gripes of Hollywood's running out of ideas.
This is not true. It's actually an allusion to the Pentagon employing Hollywood writers to "think up" possible actions of terrorists and how to counter them. See: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117854200.html?categoryid=1&cs=1  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.169.214 (talk) 06:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. The West Wing is a famous example in which one of the scenes was ACTUALLY implemented in reality later on.
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 19:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Allusions

message: The scene when the FBI-Guy watches the Screenshot with Butters and asks "Who are you?", is that a reference to a film? I think to have seen it already but i am not shure.
I've been trying to figure that out too. I know I've seen it before--I just can't think what movie it was.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqausten (talk • contribs) 20:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Who are you?" 

message: When the wall begins to collapse, the mayor says "they are coming"----What's this in reference to? It seems like it's gotta be from something...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannysk89 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "They are coming..." 

message: See for yourselves:
*http://m.flickr.com/photo.gne?id=1602443008
*http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pa2F4VB-f4M
-from one of the animators of the show, Keef Bartkus, as he's known as on the internet.
This definitely deserves mention in the article.--Swellman 22:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did the production details go? did someone give a proper reason for removing it? I thought they were relevant and properly referencedWarchef (talk) 18:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am also wondering this. I am going to try to find where they were removed and restore them.--Cartman005 (talk) 02:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Production Details 

message: http://www.spscriptorium.com/Season11/E1110guests.htm
*Dreamfinder From the "imagination" ride at Epcot Center.
*Brer Rabbit
*Moon Bellied Sneetch 
*Eliot the Dragon
*The Dreadful Flying Glove
*The Brave Little Toaster
*Aubrey (Little Gems)
*Casper the Friendly Ghost
*Boober Fraggle  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.128.172.131 (talk) 12:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Characters to ad 

message: Could somebody please make a link to the Dutch version of this article? Thanks... Afhaalchinees, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
: Thanks... Afhaalchinees, 16:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch Interwikilink 

message: Is it really necessary to document an episodes reception in the media?  If so, I don't things like IGN would be creditable sources.  Wikipedia is a lot of things, but I hope it's not the next IMDB. --Serious Mr. Karate 03:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in the  Wikipedia guidelines for writing articles on TV shows to include reception/critical reaction; I agree that IGN et al aren't exactly the best sources, but as times goes on the show will get more relevant reviews (when the DVD comes out for example), and there's no reason not to show some representation of the reaction in the meantime. I guess?Warchef 05:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reception

message: We can't keep putting in characters unless there is proof of existence in the episode. find more proof of characters before placing more names on the list.(Emigdioofmiami 21:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In scene, when Brown Hornet runs from right side to left, you can see Pac-Man run on the backdgound. (08:35-08:36). Next: look to the picture number 11 there (), Yoda stands just behind Comedy Central logo, but we can see him. Next: look to the picture 13 on the same page; the ghost here marked on "SPScriptorium" as Casper, but he isn't looks like Casper - that's Bloo. Fleutist 21:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imaginary characters list 

message: :Image:South Park 1110 imaginationland terrorist al qaeda.jpg
this is from http://www.southparkstudios.com/downloads/preview/?id=7522
and is released by southparkstudios for download this should be covered in fair use?
can we use this in the article? Philbuck222 18:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put a fiar use tag on it, its standard on most FU rationales for simpsons so it might hold. --123.51.103.64 06:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  image 

message: i think this episode is almost like nemo: adventure in slumberland. it's an old disney movie it's basically the same.
kids come from the real world into slumberland by a hot air balloon.
there was a barrier between the "good dreams and the nightmare"
butters thinking he woke up from a bad dream but then realize that "reality was the dream".
just my thoughts J1j2j3 06:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That movie was actually based on a comic strip from the late 1800's and early 1900's.  Just a little bit of side info there.  I agree though, there are similarities.--Zahveed 14:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  adventure in slumberland 

message: I don't think that separate article for Imaginationland inhabitants is a good idea. Fleutist 12:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. It's better off just having the lists in the episode articles...--Swellman 16:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WHY? Then we have basically the same list in two articles... soon to be three.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cartman0052007 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why a merge is being discussed for the three articles.--Swellman 17:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Ya but the plots for the three episodes aren't the same, as the inhabitants are.--Cartman005 18:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Inhabitants aren't the same, they just are cross. This part of trivia don't make any sense, if we can't see list for each episode separately. Fleutist 19:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats why I included a key for which episode(s) the character was in!--Cartman005 01:43, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Inhabitants of Imaginationland]] 

message: To suck someones balls could hardly be called teabagging. But fellatio isnt right either. Any suggestions?--81.236.228.72 16:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teabagging? 

message: I haven't seen this episode and its sequels but this three-part story does look like an audacious and well received plot arc.
I'm a little concerned about the statement that the program was a "commercial success."  As I understand it, the audience was only 3.4 million in the United States.  In the UK, a country with about one-fifth of the population of the US, a highly successful TV program on a cable/satellite channel, BBC Three, gets around 2.4 million (Torchwood episode one, Everything Changes), and even then this was estimated to be only a 12.7% audience share.  There seems to be a discrepancy, here.  If 2.4 million cable viewers is only a tiny proportion of the audience in a much, much smaller country, how does 3.4 million US viewers equate to great success?  Moreover if I understand it correctly, our article says that the episode was "ranked #1 in cable among Persons 18-49".  If that's so, then presumably cable is a very tiny proprtion of the market in the US, compared to Britain.  At least, amongst most adults. --Tony Sidaway 01:03, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Critical and commercial success?

message: ... What's the message of this one? It seems to be something about terrorists making our imagination run wild, but I didn't really get it. Was it about copyright BS? (they showed tons of copyrighted characters, including strawberry shortcake, whose owners have been rabid lawsuiters before) I didn't see much emphasis on that.. I guess not all South Park episodes have a 'moral' but lately most of them do.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 03:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The message of this one 

message: Just thought someone would like to add the news that the trilogy is being released on DVD. - Mysteryham 23:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD Release

message: I have requested comment from neutral editors to hopefully have this merge dispute resolved.--Swellman 02:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I know. I'll probably end up having to go to request for arbitration. But according to policy, we have to try other stuff first.--Swellman 20:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't need to go to RfAr. Will (talk) 01:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment 

message: Where does Hobbes appear in this episode?  I have looked throughout and have not seen him, and yet he is on the list.  Does anyone know what part he shows up in?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.96.151 (talk) 02:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hobbes? 

message: Can we lose the merge tags from the pages now that the merge deate has been closed? StuartDD contributions 15:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes please. And the edit block too.--Cartman005 23:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree it does seam like the discussion is over and the consensus (aside from a couple of nice but vocal editors) is that the pages should remain as is. I have put the edit tag up for an admin to edit these 3 pages and remove the tags. -- UKPhoenix79 02:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Since the merger is closed 

message: I have only seen the third Imaginationland and would not be asking this otherwise. My friend is certain that Kenny was killed in the terrorist attack, but I thought his only death this season was in The List. Did Kenny get killed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.38.108 (talk) 01:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He escaped with Stan and Kyle.  He did die in the third part, of course, only to be resurrected. --  L. T. Dangerous  (Talk to me!)  21:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenny death? 

message: Consider adding:
 the similarity of the "Imagination song" to the "intro to EPCOT Imagination center"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.212.158.132 (talk) 19:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References to Popular Culture : EPCOT Imagination 

message: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080521/LETTERS/55164451
(RE: IMAGINATIONLAND)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.228.236.111 (talk) 12:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  LOL HEY EVERYBODY, CHECK IT OUT!!!!!!!! 

message: Again, cite it, and it can remain;
Mr. Imagination is directly based on the character of Dreamfinder from Walt Disney World's Epcot Theme Park Ride, "Journey Into Imagination".  Dreamfinder wears a similar outlandish outfit featuring a top hat and turn-of-the-century styles, and perhaps more distinctly, pilots a large dream-fueled airship.  Dreamfinder always sings his signature song, "One Little Spark", while flying this ship, which has a chorus featuring the word "Imagination" in repeated succession.
Blue Meanies can be seen as the boys enter Imaginationland.
Also, the scene where the terrorists first attack Imaginationland is a parody of the scene at the beginning of "Saving Private Ryan".
Alastairward (talk) 11:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop culture references 

message: A doom metal song called "New Dead Sensation" that sounds a lot like the guy when he's saying "I-Mag-I-NATION"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiggl3sLimited (talk • contribs) 20:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imigination song sounds like 

message: Where did you guys find that source from? I don't see it anywhere? I looked on Amazon.com but all i saw are the DVD of The Episodes not the movie only this: http://www.amazon.com/South-Park-Imaginationland-Trey-Parker/dp/B00105308I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1251149917&sr=8-2, Where is The Imaginationland The Movie DVD? And Where id you guys here about it I want to know?24.7.204.215 (talk) 21:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imaginationland The Movie On DVD In United States And England? 

message: So, one or two people apparently have decided that this article "does not meet the general notability guideline", and have placed that tag on this article. Despite the fact that I have argued that 1). the three-part Imaginationland is a very popular story arc in the Sotuh Park series 2). It has been released on DVD, and perhaps most importantly, 3). IT WON AN EMMY AWARD, and thusly I have tried twice to remove this notability tag, because it doesn't belong. But, my efforts are reverted and I am accused of edit warring. Can we get some consensus, please, that this article IS notable, and remove the notability tag? I would also like to see the notability tag that ONE editor has put on a lot of other South Park episodes removed. He has apparently made it his life's mission to deem South Park episodes unworthy of Wikipedia articles, and one or two other editors have decided his cause is worth taking up. Personally, I'd like to see this nonsense stopped. 98.220.135.184 (talk) 03:47, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion for this topic taking place: here. – Richard BB 13:08, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are one or two dissenters allowed to put the "general notability" tag on this article? 

message: All of the three parts should be merged into one article because of lack of notability of each part on its own. JDDJS (talk) 17:32, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Set your time machine for 2007, when this was last discussed...and voted down. --Captain Infinity (talk) 23:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in for a merge. In the past 4 years the articles have not benefitted much from being split. The Who Shot Mr. Burns? episodes on Simpsons are well covered in one article, even though they were aired over two seasons. Nergaal (talk) 00:02, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: How does one evaluate if an article has "benefited"?  Benefit how?  It's the *reader* who benefits by having separate articles for each episode. --Captain Infinity (talk) 00:15, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The reader doesn't benefit, though, from having this split. Do you feel that the plot could not be adequately summed up if it were presented in a single article? After all, the other two articles are entirely plot summary. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 09:32, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Subject: Behind Mr. Tumnus:
*A light yellow-white thicker stick chicken like stick with red hair
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.158.117 (talk) 23:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  what are those cameos? 

message: I'm mostly doing this as a courtesy; the other two articles are clearly not notable. This article needs to be moved to Imaginationland and cover the entire story. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge into one article. 

message: :::A list of characters that appeared in the Imaginationland episodes of South Park needs to be made. There are many characters that appeared in the three part special, so because of that, I,ll put the names of all the characters below my comment overtime. This may take awhile. --24.147.1.197 (talk) 22:44, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Imaginationland Characters

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