Talk:Jasenovac concentration camp/Srbosjek/Archive 3

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This is not sourced as a real event, but the book says that "there were stories about [...]". This is hardly good enough for such a claim like this and the quote doesn't imply that the alleged killing was done by srbosjek. I suggest we strike this out. Admiral Norton (talk) 17:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killing competition 

message: ::Hay-Knife, no special "murder design"
:: A member of a german knife forum found a strange knife from the brand "Gräwiso" and thought it was used in concentration camps, because this was the first information he could find. But further research showed it is most likely some sort of safety-hay-knife: http://www.hr-online.de/website/fernsehen/sendungen/index.jsp?rubrik=22664&key=standard_document_33193668&lugal=1&ibp=0
:: It is normally not pointy and only sharp on the inside of the curve: http://messerforum.net/fotoalbum/data/510/Garbenmesser.jpg
:: Therefore it would have been a very inefficient tool if it was attempted to use like it is described in the article: "The blade was curved in order to make it easier to slit the throat of the victim, following the curvature of the neck." There would be nothing easy in twisting hand & arm to put the inside of the blade to someones neck.
:: The following statement is also incorrect: "Thus, the Srbosjek knife was designed to kill as fast as possible and with as little fatigue as possible." since it was designed for cutting hay with very little risk of injury.
:: I strongly recommend to change the article because right now it is basically a nightmare-story for gullible people. 91.33.240.21 (talk) 01:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are pictures so terrible that they cannot be published... they used special gloves to reduce hand fatigue ... which is more practical than this knife.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.88.134 (talk) 15:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Myth revealed, misused farmer tool, article needs change 

message: This article is a complete lie. 
So called "Srbosjek" (serbcutter) is still usedin agricultural work. 
For the hundredth time serbian propaganda denied: Srbosjek in action!! Very explicit video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3OOq5l_Hzw  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.25.165 (talk) 11:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: About 37,000 videos on YouTube exist on agricultural usage of machetes. Does that prove machetes weren't used to kill the majority of victims during the Rwandan Genocide? Big Bird (talk • contribs) 16:01, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Without engaging into a discussion of anything and everything following your above post which can be summed up as "this article sucks", the video still proves nothing. A tool being used agriculturally and the same tool being used to kill people are not mutually exclusive events. O. J. Simpson did play football, no one should reasonably deny this. A video of him playing football is no proof that he didn't kill his ex-wife (N.B., I'm not suggesting that he did kill anyone, just stating that Johnnie Cochran would never consider such amateur presentation of pseudo-evidence). I wasn't trying to make any claims on whether something called a "srbosjek" exists or was ever used to kill people; I was only commenting on the overly simplified argument above. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 17:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the edits by User:MahnitiTapir since it excluded existing references and some text. This doesn't mean that I think it was specially designed knife - it may have been an agricultural tool used as a knife. The intro may indeed need a rewrite. All the best, --Biblbroks's talk 19:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube video 

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thread_title:  Pending changes 

message: While such a weapon of mass murder could merit a standalone article, I don't see much content here that wasn't previously part of Jasenovac concentration camp, and not a lot of content on the whole. It doesn't seem it was ever used elsewhere or outside of the context of Jasenovac. Is there any objection to merging this text back in there? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 15:46, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection. I previously thought it to be a good idea that this article be merged with Petar Brzica since there seems to be a lot of overlap between the two articles. It also seems that most sources about the weapon also mention Brzica and vice versa so I've never been quite convinced that they both deserve separate articles. The weapon, however, does also seem to be mentioned almost strictly in connection with Jasenovac so I think it would be a good fit to be merged into that article. Since I expect controversy over any potential merge or move relating to this article, I would suggest placing a Template:Merge to on the article page so as to make the merge request official and to minimize perceptions of impropriety that might later arise. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 14:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  So, a month or so later, there is no objection whatsoever, so I'm going to merge it in and turn it into a section redirect. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  standalone article