Talk:Sailor Jupiter

message: You say 
""Talent": A fan term meaning "large breasts". This comes from a dialogue change in the second season from the original to the English dub when the characters are debating who should be the lead in a play. Makoto implies she should because she has the "largest chest", while Lita retorts it is because she has the most stage "talent" (the gesture of pointing to herself/her breasts was accompanied with a "boing" sound effect). This slang is recognized by most anime fans due to the popularity of Sailor Moon."
But this is incorrect.
Show me one dictionary which defines the japanese word "talent" as having anything to do with mammaries, and I will agree to your interpretation.
*It's the fandom's thumbing their nose at the dub's general hack of the show. Danny Lilithborne 22:58, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For God's sake, it's cartoons. No bi, no straight, and no gay. Heilme 00:20, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Slang

message: Do we really need the names of the senshis in italian, french, spanish, etc? If so, I recommend creating a list or table with the names in the talk page to later move it to the article, but not throwing the names one at the time, after all this is the English Wikipedia, and the article is about a Japanese character. -- ReyBrujo 03:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should limit ourselves to the English speaking world. These characters have been introduced around the world, which is part of why they are relevant to the encyclopedia.  We definitely could have more on the treatments and adaptations of other countries. --Sketchee 04:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My primary point of view is that they are really not needed. We don't need the name of the actors that made the spanish version, in example. Note that Homer Simpson does not have the spanish name (Homero Simpson), nor Clancy Wiggum has it (Jefe Gorgori). If they are to be included, they should be included in a list, in example, Other languages: Lita Kino (english, spanish), Morea (italian) Otherwise, the statistics section would become too long, focusing only in the name. -- ReyBrujo 04:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The concencus at WP:ANIME, I think, has been to include only names and and voice actors from English-language and language of original origin.   English names are barely notable in most cases, English dub artists are barely notable in most cases. (Unless, I suppose, someone like Vladamir Putin did the voice of Fiore in the Russian dub or someone of that level of fame does a foreign dub.)  Let them live on the pages of the original language. --Kunzite 00:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Foreign names

message: Just so you all know, I've made a new article at Princesses (Sailor Moon). The merge notices are gone now, because that group of stubs has been cleared up. Now that it's done, please feel free to edit and cite to your heart's content! ^_^ -Masamage 20:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been gone for four or five months, and the data was indeed merged. --Masamage 22:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princesses Article 

message: Because of the problem of consistency between Senshi profiles, it's been proposed that we make one profile into a template for all the others. Currently, that one profile is Ami Mizuno's. Any changes to the general format of Senshi articles should be made there, and then copied to all the others. This plan is very preliminary, however, so for more information or to make a comment, please see the appropriate section of the series Talk page, so that everyone else can see what you have to say!
So far in this article I have tweaked the hero box, the lead section, and the actresses section. The next thing after the lead section will be a Sailor Jupiter section, as described on the series talk page. Then the 'Profile' section, which will contain information about her history and personality, combining the current contents of 'person' and 'comparisons'. After that is the 'Other forms' section, which in Makoto's case will include only Princess Jupiter. 'Statistics' will follow, reformatted to better match Ami Mizuno's, and then the 'Senshi powers' section, also reformatted. The 'Variations' section will be a much shorter version of what is currently 'Comparisons', noting the specific differences between series. Most of the information currently there will end up in the Profile. The Famous quirks section will go away entirely, and it's contents will be worked into prose in the Profile. It'll conclude with 'Actresses' and other links, just like now.
Lots of work, but mostly just reorganization. Everything currently here will be in the new article, just easier to find. I've had a lot of fun with the Ami and Rei articles, and I think this'll make a big difference in the quality of the whole SM section of Wikipedia. If you have comments about Makoto's article in particular, please post them here! If you have comments about the Consistancy project in general, please comment in the series Talk page as mentioned above. I promise to respond.
Just letting you know for now; I'm off to bed, and plan to do the bulk of the rewriting tomorrow. Thanks, everybody! --Masamage 06:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't sleep. :PPP Most of this is now completed; all that remains is to rearrange the Person, Comparisons, and Quirks sections into Profile and Variations. I'll tackle that in the morning. --Masamage 08:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's consistEncy. Spelling it correctly will help a lot. I noticed that mistake on several of the pages. I'll try to address it on the major SM talk page. in case you don't see it. I won't fix it because I thinkthat's probably rude. ^^;;--Hitsuji Kinno 02:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eheheh. Actually, Denelson83 already tagged me on that, so no need to put it on the main talk page. ^^;; I was actually unaware of the correct spelling, a fact I find pretty embarrassing. o_o;;; If you want to change it, feel free; if not, I'll go back through them all and fix it when I get back tonight. Sorry and thanks! --Masamage 02:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: I've fixed it. X) --Masamage 02:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency: Mercury's Profile as a template 

message: Just a few more to go! Yay! I added references, section and verifiable stuff. References and editing have to be done to the main article though... out of the lot so far, this one is kind of thin. (Ami has 20+, Usagi is in the late teens, so this also needs more references as well.) Even if it doesn't currently need it, that means that we aren't demonstrating anything about her character through examples. So it should be cleaned up eventually/ If someone doesn't get to it, I'll attempt a clean up after the stats are finished and reorganized by the powers that be. --Hitsuji Kinno 08:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats updated 

message: Just as I did with the Rei Hino page, I changed the note about her first appearance in the live action series from Act 6 to Act 5.  Just like Rei did, she appears just before the Next Episode preview eventhough she isn't formally introduced until the next episode.  See the Rei Hino talk page for a better explanation.Kakashi-sensei 11:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you again. ^^ --Masamage 19:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Appearance 

message: From Wikimoon:  
Makoto constantly references an "old flame" of hers. The phrase she uses in Japanese is shitsurenshita sempai (失恋した先輩). Shitsuren shita means broken heart or unrequited love...
This is interesting.. Makoto's sempai being an unrequited love, rather than an ex-boyfriend that she's just not gotten over.  (World of difference here.. ;) ) Can anyone who speaks Japanese check this out, please? - Malkinann 08:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to my dictionary shitsuren means unrequited love or lost love.  Sempai (or senpai) means senior or elder.  I'm not sure where the shita part comes from or what it means.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm pretty sure "sempai" is an upperclassman (senior to the speakee). -- RattleMan 08:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A direct translation of "失恋した先輩" using Yahoo's Babel Fish reveals this: "The senior who is disappointed in love".  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sempai is indeed upperclassman. Shita is a marker for a past-tense verb, so that "Shitsurenshita" would basically be "unrequitedly-loved." --Masamage 08:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Not sure, this passage came from Wikimoon.  Considering that "shitsuren" can also mean lost love, I think that the phrase could be translated as "The upperclassman who had broke my heart".  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True. I still haven't seen most of the classic series in Japanese, so I have no idea how this relationship actually worked. I'll ask the Wikimoonians about it. --Masamage 08:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, now that I think about it, I'm pretty certain the subtitles did say that the upperclassman broke her heart.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you remember which episode? If so, it'll be pretty easy to verify. --Masamage 08:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Her first episode I believe: "Jupiter, the Brawny Girl in Love".  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, okay. Not much detail here, but there is a mention that her long-lost-whatever had said she wasn't his type. (It's implied that was because of her size.) --Masamage 05:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice find! Yeah, she definitely says "Ano hito, atashi ga shitsurenshita sempai" and then stuff I can't make out. Which would be, "That person [looks just like] the upperclassman I lost my heart to" or however we want to translate that. Later, the thing about the sempai having said tall girls weren't his type is also confirmed. Bravo! --Masamage 23:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just watched that episode of my DVD. If you're talking about the part when Mako-chan meets Motoki... Mako-chan says: "Atashi no Shitsuren shita senpai to sokkurida..."　「あたしの失恋したセンパイとそっくりだ」. Then after Usagi speaks, Mako-chan responds with: "Koe ga sokkurinanda..."　「声がそっくりなんだ。。。」. She also just says "Sokkurida... Senpai" 「そっくりだ。。。センパイ」 when she sees Jo for the first time. ~ Fighter4luv 04:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: How's this for a rewrite?  Still a little clumsy... - Malkinann 00:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Fans of the anime typically have a perception of Makoto as extremely boy-crazy.  A recurring gag is her obsession with people who look like the sempai who broke her heart.  In the English dub, his role was changed to being an ex-boyfriend (named Freddy).  In the manga, "sempai" is mentioned only once or twice, and in the live-action drama is an integral part of why Makoto feels she needs to be alone.  In each version, there are mentions of other men who were very briefly a part of her life.  Makoto is generally attracted to Motoki Furuhata, especially in the anime, but only in the live-action show do they become close.
I'm a little confused.  Why are we still using "sempai" instead of "senpai"? JuJube 04:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: My mistake. M and N are too close on the keyboard :P i didn't even notice I made that mistake. At least the katakana is right :P -- Fixed. ~ Fighter4luv 04:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's no one's mistake, really.  "Sempai" is just a really old romanization. ^_^ JuJube 04:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pronounced sempai, so that's what I type. --Masamage 07:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In romaji senpai and sempai are both correct. It's written "senpai" but said "sempai" since romaji is a rough approximation of Japanese sounds popularized by Hepburn (his system is most widely used). BTW, in romaji the verb endings are attached to the verb, so arimasen is no ari masen. It's kind of like writing "want ed" in english. *shrugs* the reason the n sound becomes an m sound is because before b's a p's the n sound becomes an m sound, making it easier to say. It's a morpheme thing. I took Japanese formally and also am taking a culture an communication class so we went over morphemes, etc. My Japanese teacher had a specific Japanese term for it, but it slips my mind. We all do this kind of sound blending like "da" for "the" --Hitsuji Kinno 00:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Makoto's Sempai is an unrequited love?

message: "In the English dub, Lita is played by Susan Roman. She is the only significant human character in the English-language dub to be played by the same voice actor through the entire series run"
i know for a fact that sailor mars voice wasnt changed Sailor cuteness 19:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  dub voice  

message: "and is afraid of airplanes due to the manner of her parents' death"
Episode 188 clearly shows that she's quite comfortable in the airplane, even after taking off. Since I haven't read the manga, is this a mistake in the anime?
Zyppora 19:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, good catch. I didn't even think of that when I saw that episode. She's definitely afraid of airplanes late in the manga (in her Exam Battle story, specifically); just seeing one on TV makes her freak out and dive behind the curtains. I think it's mentioned at least once early in the anime too, so I don't know what's going on there. Maybe I'm wrong? Or maybe she just recovers. Hard to say. --Masamage 19:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Thats a good point, i mean, if I had to risk my life everyday to save the world, An air plane is the last thing that would scare me. Also in SuperS one of the Targets built a man powered air plane and she cheered him on just like the others. Though seeing as it was man powered and not a real plane it might be a diffent story. Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 16:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference with fighting a variety of monsters and getting on an airplane is giving away control. When you're on an airplane, all your martial arts skills are worthless. Should anything happen, chances are slim, even if you are a Sailor Senshi. --Zyppora 10:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, but we cannot put that up on the Wiki, now can we? ;) I know Takeuchi-san said she wasn't pleased with the way Stars was turned into an anime (sorry, no source), but surely this is one big inconsistency with the manga that even she, or the creators of the anime, couldn't have overlooked. --Zyppora 10:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure she noticed, I just don't think she could do anything about it. If she wasn't give veto power over such a huge change as the sex of the Starlights, I really don't think they would listen to her about Makoto not being able to get on an airplane. JuJube 10:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, or the Starlights being primary characters in the first place, or Kakyuu not being a Senshi, or ChibiChibi's identity... The source for these, incidentally, is the fifth artbook. :) (She talks a lot about how mystified she is by Toei's choices. It's awesome.) --Masamage 17:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes it would, but how could one crash a plane that hasn't taken off yet? --Zyppora 08:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically that's not irony. It's just crappy luck. XP --Masamage 18:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afraid of airplanes? 

message: Just sharing: Someone modified one of our wikilinks from "using her Sailor Star Tambourine" to "using her Sailor Star Tambourine."
It's making me laugh, not least because it's totally correct formating. --Masamage ♫ 04:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikilink funny 

message: Does anyone know where in the manga Makoto talks about how she tries to feminine in order to make up for her tomboyishness? I know it's in there, I just don't remember where. --Masamage ♫ 06:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domesticity/tomboyishnes 

message: Please be aware of the discussion at WP:SM about moving this article to the title Sailor Jupiter. --Masamage ♫ 18:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus seems to have been reached, so here goes! I'll move it, then rewrite the lead, then clean redirects and such. --Masamage ♫ 01:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move to Sailor Jupiter

message: Question: is Makoto's hair red or pink in the manga?--mewmichiko 05:53, 23 July 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.189.213 (talk • contribs) 
:It's reddish brown. A little moreso than in the anime, but it doesn't go all the way to being red. --Masamage ♫ 21:55, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hair color

message: Shouldn't it be stated that it was used in the final act as a lance or a trident?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mines32 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. But which is it, a lance or a trident? I've forgotten. --Masamage ♫ 16:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

text: 'Kay. I added it. :) Thanks! --Masamage ♫ 16:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it be more like a spear. A lance is a large metal pole with a point, normally used in jousting.Lego3400:  The Sage of Time (talk) 03:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In historical terms, there's not much of a practical difference. See their respective articles for more info. --Masamage ♫ 03:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: About her Sailor Star Tambo

message: I've got an question. My japanese isn't good enough to check it myself, but when "Mizuno Ami" means "Ami of water" and "Hino Rei" "Rei of fire" isn't it possible that "Kino Makoto"  means "Makoto of Wood/Tree"? --KleineChaotin (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Makoto of tree