Talk:2009 IndyCar Series

message: It hasn't yet been confirmed that Helio won't be driving for Penske if he is acquitted of tax evasion charges before the season begins. I believe that he should be listed as the #3's driver with a note that he may be removed depending on his trial status. At least until we've heard something from Penske on the matter. Opinions? Bolt Crank (talk) 22:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Delete: If Castroneves won't appear, not even in testing, unless he is cleared, then should he actually not appear as a driver on the list at all. Essentially Power has the gig, but he may at some point be replaced? Any driver may be replaced at some point depending on circumstance, the fact that Power's potential replacement has a specific name is immaterial. At this point in time Castroneves is not driving and he should be deleted. The note is fine as it is however I believe. --Falcadore (talk) 07:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Driver chart listing for Helio Castroneves 

message: If you frequent this page, please be on the lookout for vandalism which has recently started. An unsubscribed user has a history of vandalism, and has now found the 2009 IndyCar page. As always, all edits made to a page can be tracked through the page's edit history, so please be watchful of further misinformation that you find. 67.189.108.56 (talk) 03:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, I don't know who but... Someone deleted Milka from NHL team line up.  Only thing is the references on page point to her being in team, so why is she gone now?  Mistake or what?--Amedeo Félix (talk) 19:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: She was not listed on the entry list for the Honda Grand Prix of St. Petersburg. Go to IndyCar.com to see for yourself. According to this article, she lost her Citgo money. -Drdisque (talk) 19:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: Here's an alternate, reference-style listing of the schedule, based on the same chart from the 2008 Talk page. it can be used for quick reference. It doesn't have a place on the main page, but it may have some use here on the talk page. Doctorindy (talk) 12:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: revised with updated schedule Doctorindy (talk) 21:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 IndyCar Series schedule development (alternate)

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message: I was just wondering what sources would be needed to add information to the drivers/teams list. Looking on the IndyCar.com drivers list, there are several drivers and teams there that either aren't listed in the list or are listed with different drivers.
Are we just waiting for a proper source for those drivers, or can the page itself be enough of a source? TheChrisD Rants•Edits 03:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the latest (at this time) video in the Indycar.com video player? They specifically show Graham Rahal will be in the #06. TheChrisD Rants•Edits 10:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have my doubts on the usefulness of IndyCar's web site as source.  It seems a very slowly/poorly updated site if you ask me.  I doubt for a start that NHL Racing will be using teh exact same numbers as last year repleat with the leading ) to denote an incoming Champcar team...--Amedeo Felix (talk) 10:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at this - Official Honda Indy Car site--Amedeo Felix (talk) 01:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That page is also not actively updated to reflect drivers that have left teams. For example, Buddy Rice and Milka Duno have clearly left Dreyer & Reinbold. -Drdisque (talk) 13:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly?  Well given that none of these US racing sites seem to get updated more than once a year by the looks of things... (they all seem to virtually abandon their various sites over the "off season")--Amedeo Felix (talk) 19:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Who deleted Milka and why???--Amedeo Félix (talk) 19:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drivers list sources 

message: Per several Indycar sources with the most notable being Newman Haas Lanigan Racing via their official website, the current IndyCar chassis is the IR5. The IR5 is fundamentally the same chassis as the IR3 but with minor aerodynamic updates which were solidified for the 2005 IndyCar season. The IR5 has been fabricated by Panoz and Dallara.
http://www.newman-haas.com/cars.html
http://www.samhornish.com/team/index.cfm?cid=2645&subnavkey=carspecs&wide=true
(User: thebatsignal) 22:43, 19 February, 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebatsignal (talk • contribs)  
*A lot of dicussion about the chassis designation topic here....http://forums.autosport.com/printthread.php?threadid=81482
Doctorindy (talk) 14:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The IndyCar chassis is designated as the IR5 

message: Roger Yasukawa (Dreyer & Reinbold) has officially announced he is confirmed at Motegi only. Yasukawa also verbalized interest in racing at Indianapolis, but Yasukawa should be moved regardless to the part-time entries section based upon confirmed information.
(User: thebatsignal) 17:44, 19 March, 2009 (UTC)
:The Dreyer & Reinbold team participates full-time. In the past, we have all the entries from teams who have a full-time component in the full-time section. Please see 2008 IndyCar Series season. -Drdisque (talk) 01:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roger Yasukawa is listed incorrectly and should be moved to the part-time entries listing.  

message: I suggest reducing the race summary box to the TOP THREE. Posting the top 5, or top 10 as tossed around in the past seems excessive if there are going to be individual race "Report" pages. The top three represents...dare I say...the podium finishers. Anyone who wants to see the rest of the finishers can check the race report. In addition, it allows for a slightly shorter page by the end of the year, and less work for editors.
Top Three Finishers              	Top Three Finishers              	Top Three Finishers              	Top Three Finishers              	Top Three Finishers              	Top Three Finishers              	Top Three Finishers              	Top Three Finishers              	Top Three Finishers
Fin.Pos                          	St.Pos                           	CarNo.                           	Driver                           	Team                             	Laps                             	Time                             	LapsLed                          	
1                                	                                 	                                 	                                 	                                 	0                                	0:00:00.0000                     	0                                	
2                                	                                 	                                 	                                 	                                 	0                                	+0.000                           	0                                	
3                                	                                 	                                 	                                 	                                 	0                                	+0.000                           	0                                	
Race average speed:              	Race average speed:              	Race average speed:              	Race average speed:              	Race average speed:              	Race average speed:              	Race average speed:              	Race average speed:              	Race average speed:
Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers	Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers	Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers	Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers	Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers	Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers	Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers	Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers	Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers
Cautions: 0 for 0 laps           	Cautions: 0 for 0 laps           	Cautions: 0 for 0 laps           	Cautions: 0 for 0 laps           	Cautions: 0 for 0 laps           	Cautions: 0 for 0 laps           	Cautions: 0 for 0 laps           	Cautions: 0 for 0 laps           	Cautions: 0 for 0 laps
Doctorindy (talk) 15:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. I feel that the number of points earned by the top five is notable and seeing the gap among the top five is useful. -Drdisque (talk) 15:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As per User:Drdisque for my thoughts. Cs-wolves(talk) 13:30, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Race summary box

message: Are we really going to have the USELESS information in the top schedule box like "Fastest Lap" and "Most Laps Led" and "Pole Winner"....in late 2008, someone (probably from Europe) decided to add all that junk to the 'winners' summary table. All of the other info is already listed in the individual race summaries on down the page. I think the table should look like the one from 2007 here. People want a quick reference at the top to see who won. If they want to know more detailed info, they'll scroll down to look at the rest. I say show race winners only. Doctorindy (talk) 13:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also is it necessary to have both "TRACK" and "LOCATION" columns when they are sometimes the same anyway. Again, the city of the race is already listed down further in the race details section. No need to have it listed in 10 different places. At the very least, a simple click of the link of the track would tell the reader what city the track is in. Doctorindy (talk) 13:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

text: It was actually a Malaysian by the name of User:Gokul009 that introduced the extra details onto the page. A return to the 2007 style would suit me. Cs-wolves(talk) 13:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree all those fields is far too much detail for what was initially meant to be a schedule. -Drdisque (talk) 18:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Our Malaysian friend is on the prowl again, adding a table to the 2007 season page, which has since been reverted. Keep alert guys. Cs-wolves(talk) 18:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Schedule summary

message: The three letter name abbreviations are an unnecessary addition to the page.  Unlike F1, I've never seen such a system used in conjunction with IndyCar races.  It also makes it harder for someone who just wants to look at the standings page to do so without having to go up to the driver chart just to find out what each abbreviation stands for. Thecrookedcap (talk) 17:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it's totally asinine. I'm reverting. -Drdisque (talk) 18:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job, there's no reason to abbreviate. Royalbroil 01:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Three Letter Abbreviations

message: Is this really necessary?  We're 4 races into the 2009 season and already some cars have changed paint schemes three times.  Yet I notice the colors for some cars has changed as they change by race.  Are the colors (and for that matter, list of sponsors) going to only list the most recent race, or the most popular color over the season, or what?  
They serve no purpose and have no explanation in the article.  The list of sponsors also suffers from recentism and should have all primary sponsors, or none.  For instance, Danica's Indy 500 car has Boost Mobile, but now this season page makes no mention that her primary sponsor is actually Motorola.  IIIVIX (Talk) 03:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in favor of removing car number colors completely, due to the strain on the eyes in simply reading some of them. To clarify what colors a car has or had, we should get photographs of them, or describe them, if older than color photographs, in a given section for such in the tables, like occurs with the 1911 and 1912 Indianapolis 500 pages. --Chr.K. (talk) 12:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Car number colors 

message: I removed the entries from the team and driver chart that went unused at the 500 (the Foyt #48, Fisher #68, the Roth entries).  They're unlikely to get filled during the rest of the season, so they are superfluous. Thecrookedcap (talk) 02:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unused Indy 500 Entries

message: For as long as I've been following sports, I have never seen initial names with a space between them (e.g. A. J. or T. J.). However, the Wikipedia articles for A.J. Foyt IV and E.J. Viso are as such (i'm sure that there are plenty others for each case). I understand why there is a space, but I don't see any other media or literature that actually has it spelled that way (even IndyCar.com, ESPN.go.com, or CBSSportsline.com doesn't spell those names with a space between them). I don't know if this has been discussed or not (I apologize if it has been already), but I believe that there should be no space between the initials. Let me know what you all think. Manningmbd 00:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the issue of a 'space' is an incredibly minor point to have any discussion at all about. But if you want to make is ssue about it, then putting in full stops is just as much of an issue as a space. AJ, A.J., A. J., take your pick, the meaning is surely obvious enough whichever variation is prefered.  --Falcadore (talk) 03:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial names 

message: The "half-blending" technique that was used to fit together the 3, 12, 23 and 43 cars based on driver availibility is cute but disorienting to the reader, especially on low resolutions. I've chosen to do away with it, and while I was at it included comment tags so you can pick out where each team starts and ends when editing. If you want to put the old blended arrangements back, here they are: 172.130.202.151 (talk) 05:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At the time, I actually found the "cleaned up" way of displaying the table to be easier to understand and looked better. However, I only now noticed that it was almost instantly reverted several days ago. Whether that goes to show that either it doesn't make a difference what way it's laid out, or it's all such a blur that it's impossible to make out when merely browsing by it, I'm not sure. TheChrisD Rants•Edits 15:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Get rid of the bloody colors on the numbers while you're at it. IIIVIX (Talk) 19:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
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