Talk:Turkish Air Force

message: Sabiha Gökçen is first ever female Turkish pilot. But also she is the first ever female combat pilot in the world:
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/first-female-combat-pilot/
Could we add this information?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.123.128.176 (talk) 12:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Sabiha GÖKÇEN

message: No one has made mention of the creation of a Joint Turkish-Ukrainian Space Agency for Military use which was announced by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on 26 March 2015.  Ukrainian media sources have claimed the program is for space launched weapons. http://www.unian.info/politics/1060458-ukraine-turkey-agree-on-space-program-worth-billions-of-dollars.html.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.244.121 (talk) 03:12, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Space program with Ukraine

message: There is no mention of the Göktürk-2 Earth Observation Satellite and the capacities it brings to the Turkish Air Force.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.130.229 (talk) 06:37, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Göktürk-2

message: The Turkish air force is the second largest in NATO, with more than 1,900 aircraft.
Read more: http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Turkey
Please refer this: http://www.hvkk.tsk.tr/TR/EnvanterdekiUcaklar.aspx?ID=7. Turkey has more then 2.000 jets/planes. Not 700!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xangr (talk • contribs) 18:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Largest Air Force in NATO after the USAF 

message: US General Norton Allan Schwartz has stated that Turkey has one of the world's greatest air forces, which the US Air Force has a lot in common with.
Read more: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123258689  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.150.241.156 (talk) 06:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: One of the world's greatest Air Forces

message: This article says 46 "F-5 2000 (under delivery)".  It appears to mean these are new aircraft that are being delivered now.  However, the F-5 Freedom Fighter article says that the aircraft has been out of production since the 1970's.  Are these refurbished/upgraded aircraft from another country?  --rogerd 03:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  F-5 2000 (under delivery) ?? 

message: This article could definitely benefit from in-line citations for the prose content (i.e. the "main section" above the listing of individual aircraft). Nice work on the infobox, btw, and a very nice photo! LordAmeth 14:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WPMILHIST Assessment

message: Can we add a new Aircraft list.
This is what i came up with but needs fine tuning and fixing.
Type                                 	Origin        	Version(s)                                       	In service 	Notes
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II    	US            	                                                 	0          	order for 100 F-35A signed 2007, 2 to be delivered 2018http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2509961&C=airwar
General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon	US            	C/D Block 30C/D Block 40C/D Block 50C/D Block 50+	11210376146	under CCIP modernizationhttp://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/05/11b-to-upgrade-turkish-f16-fleet/index.phphttp://www.defenselink.mil/Contracts/Contract.aspx?ContractID=3407under CCIP modernizationunder CCIP modernization30 more Block 50+ aircraft will be built by TAI(146 in service as of 2018)Reuters: Turkey signs $1.78 bln deal to buy warplanesF-16.net: Turkey signs contract to buy 30 F-16 block 50+ jets
McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II     	US            	F-4E2020 TerminatorRF-4E                         	715232     	
Northrop F-5                         	US            	A/B2000                                          	1455       	upgraded by IAI with enhanced capabilities 
(Turkish Stars Aerobatics Team)
Airbus A400M Atlas                   	EU            	                                                 	10         	
Lockheed C-130 Hercules              	US            	C-130BC-130H                                     	76         	
Transall C-160                       	France/Germany	C-160T                                           	           	
CASA CN-235                          	Spain         	VIPEWTransport                                   	31631      	
Boeing 737 AEW&C                     	US            	AEW                                              	4          	under construction, option for 2 more.
General Atomics GNAT-750             	US            	UAV                                              	1          	
IAI Harpy                            	Isreal        	UAV                                              	107        	500 km Range
IAI Heron                            	Isreal        	UAV                                              	40         	1000/3300 km Range
TAI Anka                             	Turkey        	UAV                                              	18         	1000 km Range
Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker           	US            	                                                 	7          	
Northrop T-38 Talon                  	US            	A                                                	69         	Received structural upgrade.
Cessna T-37                          	US            	BC                                               	58         	Received structural upgrade.
SIAI-Marchetti SF.260                	Italy         	D                                                	38         	
Cessna T-41                          	US            	D                                                	28         	
AS 532UL Cougar Mk1                  	France        	SARCSAR                                          	146        	
Bell UH-1H Iroquois                  	US            	SAREW                                            	154        	
TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK         	Italy/Turkey  	                                                 	22         	+94 attack helicopters being built
::There is already a link on the page to a table that due to the size of the page was split off to its own page, and before posting a coding mess like this, could you please write make sure it works in one of your sandboxes first so it doesn't mess the coding up for everything on the page that comes after? Thanks.  - NiD.29 (talk) 08:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Aircraft list  

message: Added a section about the F-16 fighter jet IFF system secret code hacking in Turkey and the three resulting murders of engineers by secret services. This was extensively published in November in the Hurriyet and also reported internationally, e.g. Tarik Demirkan wrote it up for respected hungarian HVG weekly newspaper . 82.131.210.162 09:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  F-16 IFF system related murders in Turkey added 

message: The Tuskish Army has ordered 51 T129 Agusta. Tai are making them. 
* Question: Why did Turkey reject the Denel Rooivalk helicopter during trials?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.111.29.1 (talk) 23:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it was 'kinda new, unproven, and only South Africa uses it. Performance was another issue. As Army was already operating Ah-1W's and finding their performance satisfying, AH-1Z was chosen. Later on, due to problems on Bell and US, ATAK program's cancelled, and ATAK II's awarded to Agusta Westland, to obtain rights of A-129 Mangusta and completely perform an overhaul to turn it into a better, more powerful and agile helicopter. Program is still underway, we'll see if TAI, ASELSAN and AW can make something thatcan compete with modern choppers or not.Heruamarth (talk) 15:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They are already listed in the Turkish Army inventory, see the article Modern equipment and uniform of the Turkish Army. The Turkish Army operates the attack helicopters, not the Turkish Air Force. Res Gestæ Divi Augusti (talk) 01:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Nope, its still on tests. You can't call a project as "completed" until it enters inventory.--Cerian (talk) 16:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Air Force 

message: The TIHA MALE UAV project has been completed and serial production has commenced. 20 units have been commissioned by the Turkish Air Force.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.209.236 (talk) 22:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, its still on tests. You can't call a project as "completed" until it enters inventory.--Cerian (talk) 16:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The TIHA-A UAV has entered service

message: There is no mention of unmanned drones - I don't know enough to write it myself.
Jzlcdh (talk) 19:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drones? 

message: Please change Chief of the Turkish General Staff from İlker Başbuğ to General Işık Koşaner.
ZORBeY^ (talk) 14:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done -Atmoz (talk) 17:26, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Zorbey, 18 February 2011 

message: The Turkish govt uses an Airbus A319 (pictured) for VIP flights, and I believe it is part of the Turkish Air force inventory. Could someone investigate this, and update the article accordingly. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 17:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airbus A319 

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message: Should it be mentioned in the Notabilities section that, possilby, the first black pilot was in the Turkish Air Force? (Ottoman at the time)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbsoluTurk1907 (talk • contribs) 08:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: He was the first "black" pilot of the Ottoman Navy Air Service (see: Ahmet Ali Çelikten). Takabeg (talk) 08:42, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notabilities: Ahmet Ali Çelikten 

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message: Ahmet Ali Çelikten also known as Arap Ahmet Ali or İzmirli Ahmet Ali (born Izmirli Ali oghlu Ahmed, 1883 – 1969) was the only black pilot in World War I along with Eugene Jacques Bullard. --82.113.122.165 (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmet_Ali_%C3%87elikten 

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message: Can someone look at incorporating the info on this page and then maybe redirecting or deleting it? Gbawden (talk) 08:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Turkish Air Force March]] 

message: Why is there no mention that the Hava Kuvvetleri is one of the oldest air forces in the world? 84.171.90.26 (talk) 17:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  oldest 

message: In the "Engagements" tab, the link of "War of Independence" directs to the "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_independence" War of Independence list. It should direct to "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_War_of_Independence" which is Turkish War of Independence that Turkish Air Force engaged in.
Bgokbayrak (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Stickee (talk) 23:25, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2015 

message: Per sources given on her article (Sabiha Gökçen) --Irtden (talk) 22:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Flying a bombing mission does not yet make one a fighter pilot, which requires air-to-air combat. (And why remove the information everywhere that Sabiha Gökçen was an adopted daughter of Atatürk?)  --Lambiam 09:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Sabiha as oldest in military history 

message: I only just recently started paying much attention to Turkey, so I was a bit hesitant to make a change to this page, but something very basic has me confused.  In the right hand column, Gen. Abidin Ünal is listed as the commander for the Turkish Air Force.  I had thought Gen. Akın Öztürk held this position and Gen. Abidin Ünal was commander of Turkey's Air Force Combat and Air Defense (a subdivision, not the entire air force of Turkey).
If not, well, then a couple of well known newspapers need to make a correction.  See http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/istanbul-to-host-international-conference-on-air-and-space-power.aspx?pageID=238&nID=80456&NewsCatID=341 for a reference to Gen. Ünal and http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_air-force-to-clip-wings-of-rf-4e-aircraft-top-military-official-says_374919.html for a reference to them both.  
I am assuming that either this was just an oversight, or an area where work is still in progress, but if not, could someone explain the discrepancy?
Emerald Evergreen 04:35, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Commander of the Turkish Air Force 

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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2016 

message: Turkish Air Force doesn't have any attack helicopter. T-129 listed in the helicopter inventory. In Turkey, only Turkish Land Forces (holds the main attack helicopter inventory) and  Gendarme have  T-129.  See official list at TAF official page:
https://www.hvkk.tsk.tr/T%C3%BCrk_Hava_Kuvvetleri/Hakk%C4%B1m%C4%B1zda/G%C3%BCn%C3%BCm%C3%BCz_Hava_Kuvvetleri/Envanterdeki_U%C3%A7aklar
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Obben (talk • contribs) 05:32, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  T-129 is not in TAF inventory 

message: The TAF has seen its capacity hit pretty hard since the post-coup purges started in 2016. I'm going to add a section to outline how this happened and what has resulted. Konli17 (talk) 06:59, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent history 

message: can somebody add the news about recent acquirements such as  and  and  also a section about air defence and new acquirements such as s400 and hisar. 46.196.85.168 (talk) 08:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  new info 

message: The date 1911 is cited as the foundation date of TAF in this article. However, the article content states that "can trace its origins back to June 1911" and "the air force as it is known today did not come into existence until 1923". which does not support 1911 as a "foundation date". Besides cited source is the official website of Turkish Armed Forces which is not reliable source in this context. You can look at the talk pages of the articles Turkish Naval Forces and Turkish Land Forces for similar cases. Best regards.--V. E. (talk) 23:04, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of unfactual date 

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message: Turkish Air Force Commander is changed and the name of the new commander is Atilla Gülan. Mboruza (talk) 11:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RealAspects (talk) 03:51, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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message: I removed content from redundant section called "Timeline of battles and operations". Was not able to find similar section in any of the similar articles as it is for example the Royal Air Force and the United States Air Force. Nubia86 (talk) 23:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant content removal

message: For an article with only 24 kB prose size (3912 words), this article's on the shorter side, but it's got a total of 170 citations. I believe that's quite a bit and creates citation clutter, especially in the Future section. I mean, that last sentence alone has 9 citations as shown below:
Meanwhile WP:REFCLUTTER, explicitly states 
Let's maybe trim it down a bit?
There are quite a few non-English citations scattered throughout the article alongside the English ones. According to WP:RSUEC, English sources are preferred when they're just as good. So, as a first step, perhaps we should consider removing those non-English citations? Ckfasdf (talk) 13:47, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The same problem is also caused here TAI TF Kaan I support to remove non English sources if we have already good English sources.Shadow4dark (talk) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:   Agree... Since  has started trimming down citations, despite previously insisting on keeping excessive citations, does anyone disagree if we revert the article back to my last edit? I don't claim my last edit was perfect, but I reckon I trimmed more excessive citations than Hurricane Spitfire did. By the way, I also removed the word "current" as per MOS:CURRENT. Ckfasdf (talk) 16:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

text:  To , please note that WP:OVERKILL also suggest :  and , I don't think the content cited is controversial, so I figure one citation should be enough. Ckfasdf (talk) 16:28, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop damaging the Turkish Air Force article, stick to Pakistani issues. Hurricane Spitfire (talk) 23:30, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea on what are you talking about. what is  means anyway? Ckfasdf (talk) 03:42, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: OVERCITE problem in the article

message: To , refer to your edit on the Typhoon section of the article, whereas:
* Firstly, you insists on stating that the reason for German rejection is "", however there is no reference that states that this is the reason and he also did not provide any reference to back up this claim. 
* Secondly, you insists on adding the following sentence: "" citing BBC and F-16.net as sources. However, neither of these sources mentions anything about reason procurement of Typhoon is less likely, Typhoon itself or TAI's experience with the F-16. IMO, this claim may constitute as original research, which is prohibited by Wikipedia policy. Since you are a new editor on Wikipedia, you may not be familiar with the policies we have in place. WP:OR explicitly states 
With that said, any claims lacking references and original research will be removed. Ckfasdf (talk) 16:22, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Typhoon

message: I'd like to emphasize that this article primarily addresses the overall context of the Turkish Air Force. Therefore, a concise reference to Sabiha Gökçen as the first female fighter pilot suffices. Those interested in more comprehensive information can refer to her dedicated page, Sabiha Gökçen. Similarly, notable figures like Chuck Yeager, who holds significance in global aviation history as the first pilot confirmed to exceed the speed of sound in level flight, receive only one sentence coverage in United States Air Force article. 
I'd also like to highlight that there is currently an excessive citations of Sabiha Gökçen in the article. Therefore, it'll be better to reduce number of citation per WP:OVERCITE. Ckfasdf (talk) 17:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Sabiha Gökçen

message: For an article with only have size of 24 kB (3964 words), this article is somewhat on the short side. But, IMO it has too many images and MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE also states .
The recent inclusion of an image of Ahmet Ali Çelikten exacerbates the problem by adding to the excessive number of images and contributing to the issue of over-citation. Additionally, in my opinion, Çelikten's significance for Turkish Air Force topics is not as notable as that of Sabiha Gökçe, whose name has been immortalized as the name of an airport in Turkey. Moreover, other images in the article also suffer from the MOS:SANDWICH problem, where text is sandwiched between two opposing images. Therefore, it is necessary to begin trimming the images to address these issues, starting with the removal of the image of Ahmet Ali Çelikten. Ckfasdf (talk) 01:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Images in the article