Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/COFS

message: ===Statement by ElC===
I defered the case to arbitration, or RfC; I would understand if the Committee opts for the latter —not so much for lack of dispute resolution attempts, but rather, due to incomprehensibility and the need for some sort pre-evidence, evidence page. El_C 03:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-party statements before the case was accepted

message: I defered the case to arbitration, or RfC; I would understand if the Committee opts for the latter —not so much for lack of dispute resolution attempts, but rather, due to incomprehensibility and the need for some sort pre-evidence, evidence page. El_C 03:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Statement by ElC

message: I am not a party to this RfA, but would like to call attention to user page vandalism from User:COFS here: and here: .--Fahrenheit451 19:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Statement by [[User:Fahrenheit451]]

message: Just out of curiosity, how long will the Scientology related articles remain on probation? Elhector 00:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Essentially indefinite, but see Wikipedia:Article probation to see how it gets lifted. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 00:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Probation

message: From the start it's important to understand that I am here to contribute,  I can't boast WP:FA after WP:FA since the subjects I have the most knowledge about are controversial. As such they are difficult to edit into Featured shape. Nor is my edit count as high as our more prolific contributors, however as proof of my commitment I can point to over 250 free images created, enhanced or found and added to the project. (I'd guesstimate 85-90% are images I created or enhanced for the project, while the rest are simply Public Domain images found on government/military websites. I'll lowball my efforts and  keep the number at 100 to make things easier for those not mathmatically inclined. 85% of 100 is 85. Many of them took more than a few hours of work and are used on several projects. (Essentially I'm also contributing to the Japanese, German, Hebrew, Vietnamese, Russian (in fact both of the two on this page are mine, the list goes on and includes five or six other languages. It also includes an image nominated for Featured status. I'm not trying to brag, but since people seem to think I'm only about trolling or gaming the system it's important to show that to be untrue. I wouldn't spend so much time helping out to turn around and troll someone while gaming the system.
The case itself was, I thought, going to be about the issue of people using Church of Scientology IPs and open proxies to edit Scientology related articles with a pretty clear view towards affecting the POV of said articles. I honestly thought that Bishonen bringing up the disagreement between Justanother and I was pretty unrelated to the case and that the arbcom would think the same thing. By the time it was clear that they didn't, I was being accused of harassment, thereby making any effort to show past, and more extensive, bad behavior on his part seem like confirmation of my harassment of him. It's very frustrating to have so many people assume bad faith on my part because a popular admin does. 
For example Justanother recently cited an example of what he called bad faith on my part:Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/COFS/Workshop#Disclosure of report to WP:3RR regarding Justanother. The issue of my supposed harassment was recently brought up in the arbcom, then as now, nobody would give specifics about what was/was not harassment. Certainly reminding him that 3RR rules apply to everyone wouldn't be considered harassment, since it's true: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive55#User:Justanother reported by User:Anynobody (Result: No action, warned)  If you read the thread itself it should be obvious that I simply wanted to warn him that as he had made the same mistake as the editor he was trying to get blocked. (Please note also that I created both the arbcom thread and the 3RR note in good faith, if I was acting in bad faith, why would I turn around and tell the arbcom about it? I also didn't ask for or insist on a block at any time.)
So I'm asking for the arbcom to either let me explain/address whatever evidence they decided warranted an assumption of bad faith on my part, or failing that allow me to present evidence of how any harassment I could have inflicted is minimized by similar behavior which he initiated first and with other editors (who no longer edit anymore). Why am I bringing this up now? Because Justanother has begun using this case to leverage his position on articles like: Neutral reportage where he is currently arguing against including sourced material about a person who's article was recently deleted but is also mentioned in said article, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement/Archive12#User:Anyeverybody (AKA User:Anynobody) and Barbara Schwarz by accusing me of editing the wrong part of neutral reportage before other parts are added as the reason why it's inappropriate to talk about the Salt Lake Tribune's use of Neutral reportage to defeat Barbara Schwarz's defamation suit. He's also been posting on my talk page, which begs the question, if I harassed him, why come back for more?
I think the findings re him and I in the case should be dropped, and any future issues be dealt with through dispute resolution which was essentially skipped before. Going to arbcom for editor disputes in the context of an entirely separate issue seems to be pretty rare, except in this case. (Heck, we skipped Wikipedia:Requests for mediation entirely.) Anynobody 07:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only specific finding against you was that you were prohibited from harassing Justanother. Another finding specifically said it implied nothing about your editing. As no-one is allowed to harass another user (see WP:HARASS) the effect is to specifically order you not to do something that you should not have been doing anyway. The article probation for all scientology articles affects you just as much as every other editor. In those circumstances I see no cause to interfere with the remedies in this case. Sam Blacketer (talk) 10:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I have reviewed this submission and see no need for any clarification or modification of the remedies at this time. I suggest that you drop this matter and proceed with your editing. Newyorkbrad (talk) 08:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it's time to strengthen the remedies against Anynobody.  What we have in place does not seem sufficient to deter the constant low-level baiting and bad faith that he repeatedly demonstrates, such as the post above. Jehochman  Talk 23:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: *Little Jehochman correct. Jehochman already much patience and little avail. Anynobody back in very stubborn mode from which arbcom attempted discouragement, see little 'shonen RFAR/COFS evidence. 'Zilla propose special remedy for unusual Anynobody case: Anynobody prohibited from making other users tear their hair out in frustration. Enforcement: on evidence substantial portions pre-existent hair missing, any admin block Anynobody briefly, up to a month for repeat offenses. After five blocks, maximum block increase to one year. bishzilla ROARR!! 10:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Anynobody, if you want to prove that you aren't the sort to harass people, the best way of doing so is by not harassing people. Sam Blacketer (talk) 00:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Has the argument "He harassed someone else so I can harass him back" ever worked?  Your essential argument is that because user:Smith harassed user:Jones, you should not be punished for harassing user:Smith.  You ignore the facts that user:Smith's harassment was months ago, while your harassment continues to this day; and that user:Smith has promised to mend his ways (and appears to have done so) while you seem persistently ignorant of the problem.  I am loathe to actually ban someone from the pages of the dispute resolution process but you are heading in that directing mighty quick. Thatcher 14:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyeverybody/Anynobody and [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/COFS]] 

message: The Scientology topic is currently covered by both article probation and discretionary sanctions which allow a much greater latitude to deal with disruptive behaviour. I'm requesting that the Committee vacate the article probation provision in preference to the discretionary sanctions. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:05, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement by Callanecc 

message: I can see no real reason for the article to have redundant sanctions to the broader topic, and can't see any reason for the redundancy, with perhaps the one proviso that if for whatever reason the remaining sanctions get lifted, perhaps having the article probation restored or at least consideration of such restoration. John Carter (talk) 19:27, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement by John Carter 

message: : This section is for administrative notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).
*Recuse Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:05, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clerk notes