Talk:Flat white

message: Citation 14  reads like original research and the quote "The milk should be velvety rather than fluffy and therefore stronger, which requires a shorter, ristretto espresso shot to avoid harsh flavours." closely resembles paraphrase plagiarism from the original article. This article provides no scientific explanation as to why a ristretto may "avoid harsh flavors," therefore coming across as preferential/cultural rather than factual. I might suggest linking to the ristretto page and re-phrasing or omitting the plagiarized section. Peaseblossomxiv (talk) 17:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. I have removed it. I have also removed some unsourced editorial opinion. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 11:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ristretto 

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I have removed a lot of information which was unsourced editorial opinion. I have also replaced some personal opinions from bloggers with a recipe for a flat white which appears in a reliable source. I have moved some of the material that was in the "Similar Beverages" section to the "Description" section because the material was mostly a description of a flat white. The fact is that flat whites can be served in take-away cups, ceramic cups or glass cups of various sizes. They can have one, two or three shots of espresso. Each shot of espresso can be about 30 ml or a ristretto. Flat whites usually have a higher proportion of coffee to milk and a thinner layer of microfoam than lattes or cappuccinos but sometimes they don't. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 11:38, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Did an edit to resolve some of the internal inconsistencies, especially where the text didn't actually agree with the sources being referenced (eg NZ tourism quote and the accompanying text stated different volumes for the cup!).   Modified the "Similar Beverages" to be about those beverages. B adger1 (talk) 21:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made some changes to your edits. I have removed some unsourced editorial comments and have used more concise wording. A bigger problem I have is that you have repeated statements (in paraphrase) that are already in the quoted passage from tourism New Zealand or are stated elsewhere in the article. I think the article is already too repetitive. Most of the description section is framed in terms of the difference between a flat white and a cappuccino and latte. Then we have another section which also discusses the difference between these drinks. We only need to say things once. I think we should delete the long quote from Tourism NZ and state the key points once. We should also note contradictions:Eg: Moldvaer states that a flat white consists of a double espresso but Tourism NZ states that it should have one 30mm shot. (We all know that a flat white can be one, two or even three shots and can be in a 6, 8, 10 or 12 oz cup or container, but for wikipedia we can only use reliable sources that state this.) Happy to discuss Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 04:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description 

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An editor has repeatedly tried to add content about a "Google Doodle" of a flat white. 2 editors have objected to this on the grounds that it is trivia which doesn't improve the article. I am also opposed to adding an "In popular culture" section as this will only encourage other editors to add expamples of any mention of the beverage in TV shows, movies, games, comic books etc. I think the emphasis should be on improving the content about the actual beverage, not encouraging tangential trivia. Happy to discuss. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 03:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture