Talk:Manna/Archive 1

message: NEEDS WORK AND I KNOW 
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Quite frankly, all of it seems either to be irrelevant or, to be frank, bollocks. Not only that, it's also repeated at mana, so I removed it. And added a disambig statement at the topo of the page. Dewrad 00:21, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "linguistics" section 

message: Among the edits from Anon. 64.113.110.11 that I had to delete were Biblical quotes mentioning manna. Can someone include a selection of these in the article, discussing them? --Wetman 23:55, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes from the Hebrew Bible

message: I agree and extend that thought to include not only several tryptamines but a few phenethylamines are probably what are in the seven vials in the book of revelation. I dont exactly know how Yeshua would have known about the pineal gland...? God is great though so who knows. And I suppose that the tolerance would explain Numbers 11 how they just complain about the manna! 40 days would be way too long to be eating manna, not enough due respect. At that point it would litterally have to be as a food to physically survive, or else they would just stop taking it.... DOH they did!
I have noticed that it can be consumed about twice a month with God willing good results (It has been a long time since I was that blessed and that only continued for about three months... it may be different depending on God's will and your personal neurochemical brain structure and whatnot) This is a substance who's only abuse is faulty legislation. He denies you if you even think about abusing! (He knew your thoughts actually before you were born... WOW!) Praise the God of "god's" The Lord above all lords truly his dominion is for eternity!
Factual support for the lack of tolerance for NN-DMT would be appreciated, I was not aware of that if it is so...
Amen God is Great. Praise Jesus! While we are at it thanx Mohammed for not only making the trinity of vital prophets complete but also for making yet another scripture that nobody seems to understand... Glory to Allah. Praise the Lord, I think we really are making progress here and it is only by the will of God that anything happens at all so just accept it and don't think he is not the God of science as well! He is above all and within all HE IS THE ALL! Hallalujah for the God of Science! Can I get an Amen?!
He/She is so high above it all that its no wonder we need the sacrament! With manna, if it is his will, he will speak! Only by his will is anything done (unless SHE tells you otherwize) So never forget it! Especially when you are lucky enough to have the lechem kannon in your belly! (holy bread, holy book, holy Jew). Alum Almen Amen!
--208.47.97.198 06:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Praise of God For Ma(n)na(s) 

message: I tried disentangling some sense out of garble-gabble of recent edits but lost patience and reverted them. There is an article Mana for Sanskrit and languages spoken in Polynesia and South-East Asia. Mostly it is used to describe the believe in a higher power, thereby tapping our most important N,N-Dimethyltryptamine source, the pineal gland.--Wetman 22:45, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted interesting material again. Anyone interested might draw this stuff from the Page history and work it into an encycopedia report.--Wetman 19:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing manna 

message: This is one of the few good articles on manna that I've seen:
http://www.bibleorigins.net/MannaSinaiBodenheimer.html
Hope it helps...
I ask the observant to notice how the candidates for manna in the above link do not even match the description given in Exodus 16, If you would like to think that it's something other than the sacred mushroom you have two options: Go ahead to the detriment of mankind and the disapointment of God, or go find some manna. I am sorry that you have to deal with the organized crime to recieve your sacrament, you should vote against idiots next time. REPEAL NIXONIAN LAW. I mean really wasn't JFK nice? --Mannaseejah 06:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well.... I'm new to all this jazz.... 

message: Does anyone want to back me up on this constant reverting?  I mean, the person who keeps putting irrelevent, weird bible rants shouldn't be doing that, right?  I'm cool with reverting them, right?  Why is it always me doing it?  Does anyone else read this article?
Sparsefarce 21:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, you're doing the right thing.  I just stumbled across this page but it's now on my watchlist and I'll keep an eye on it, too.  It certainly needs a lot of work but I'm afraid I don't care enough or know enough about this subject to clean it up.  But I can certainly keep if from getting any worse. :)  --ElKevbo 22:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that's kind of where i am.  i'm just trying to keep it from getting worse too. Sparsefarce 23:04, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't vandalism, it is a content dispute. Please treat it as such and we weary of the 3RR. ---J.S (t|c) 21:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm I take that back... this is somewhere between content dispute and vandalism. ---J.S (t|c) 21:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's hard to separate those two (content dispute and vandalism) in this article.  No offense to anyone, but I find some edits to this article downright weird. It's hard to separate the well-intended but poorly-written additions from vandalism.  --ElKevbo 22:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constant Vandal 

message: Is there a Christian/Judaism mythology template?  I know other religions have templates and I believe it would be beneficial in linking articles of this sort.--Lzygenius 11:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mythology 

message: I tried to edit the main-page and it replaced the talk page with the mainpage.  Wierd!  Check out the history if you wanna see it. ---J.S (t|c) 16:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the hell...? 

message: Truth sure can be a bitch when you are brainwashed with lies... when will we be free?
I re-added the section on manna as a mushroom with 5 books that discuss this theory.  I will add actual page-number citations as I can when I get the books.  Right now the section passes WP:V. 3 biblical citations, 1 web citation and 1 book citation (yes, needs a page number).  Also, the 5 books all directly discuss the topic at hand and I will expand the section and provide proper citations as I can. 
If you want to be helpful, I'd suggest going to the library and helping me expand the section. Just because the tin-foil-hat people are involved doesn’t mean it's not encyclopedic. :) Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 18:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|fact}}, manna/mushroom, etc 

message: Well this is interesting guys, I was thinking about it and everything... I KNOW what it is, and I know that there is far more evidence than I could ever even assemble, never mind try to explain in a crappy language like english (Except shakespeare) but God knows I tryed and will continue to try. The problem really is that english itself is a veil of the truth unlike hebrew and aramaic. (That is not to say that english doesn't have something good about it; can't really think of what it is but... I think in this other language and when it comes out in english it only makes sense if you understand the word varience and multiple meanings and symbols and parody and comedy and all these things related to an ancient language that nobody speaks and many unfortunate minds simply cannot handle it.
I realized that not everyone is supposed to know this information... yet. Some people are too young or don't have nearly the amount of faith in God to deal with the implications of HIS knowledge. So I came to the page today, not to make sure that all my stuff was still there, but to delete it myself. 
This knowledge is such a beautiful burden to bear, but to the unexpecting it is potentially damaging. As a frustrated and confused child of a very big and sometimes scary God (Or the biggest and scariest God as most are well aware of), I do not have any right to place burdens on the shoulders of babes.
So I have decided to create a site with a disclaimer and more organized navigation to reveal the secret. Some say there are few that are worthy, however that is not my call to make. It is God's will and it is God's plan. Knowledge will increase in this age, and there is a very big shift underway. Behind closed doors there are people making things happen: My frustration is in my unworthiness.
It would be nice to think that I had the freedom and liberty to propegate my beliefs however in this day I DO NOT. Once again I am faced with ignorance and it was my face and not the pope's. And so by putting this knowledge which I willingly sought, forcably into people's heads I realized just tonight (with help from the unseen) a few things:
1.) I was doing injustice to seekers of knowledge 
2.) I was doinging injustice to the knowledge itself 
3.) I was not in accordance to HIS WILL (This is the hardest thing for me) 
4.) And God forbid I was proposing to strap a yoke the size of jupiter on unwilling little lambs. 
I concede to my human limitations, I am no better than a greedy president or yeast munching Roman 
(However I am still working on forgiving the vatican for mass genocide and other crimes that it has committed ever since stealing the religion of the most beautiful man to ever live, and ruining it for most everyone. I have faith God will judge them on an individual basis in 100% truth, and I have faith that Rome's days are numbered. God's will be done.)
This is getting long but I am really trying to get something accross here... Please bear with me, this one last time.
Part II of my final wikipedia rant:
Freedom of Religion is my main frustration in life. One thing I do know, is that what I don't see and what I don't know is much greater than what little I do know and what little I am (quite litterally and even by my own standards) capable of visualizing. I cry and beg for mercy from my lord constantly and I know his mercy is great...  
Please forgive me if I seemed fanatical. I am A harmless fanatic of God, peace, liberty and all kinds of other stuff I'm not probably not worthy; however this is my calling.
God bless you all, and thank you for not banning me. Unfortunately any information I have to add to this site is not designed for this site and visa versa. I retire as a failed wikipedian. Knowledge is unfortunately still controlled by rome. As controlled as my sacrament unfortunately.
Possibly wikipedia is just not the place (or time) for the information that lies beyond the veil. No not here, definately for another spot. I'm just glad that I realized this myself before I did anything worse in my ignorance. I commend you all for good work.
Sincerely 
the overly wize fool 
(Hebrew: Gershom Koheleth)
--Mannaseejah 07:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck with your future endevors.  I think your heart is in the right place... but I think you hit the nail on the head there; wikipedia isn't the best place for alot of that.  May your god be with you,   ---J.S (t|c) 08:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: $50 says he followed that shrooms == manna deal a little too intently and decided to edit Wiki whilst astral projecting his psychotropic inner child.  Insanity FTW! Jachin 08:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: To my fellow wikipedians:

message: Mana != Manna
far eastern mystical tradition relates that mana is the seventh state of consciousness (Three Pillars of Zen). The seventh character in the hebrew alphabet is ZEN. Manna is the mushroom and your atheist methodology is proved by multidimensional mathematics entirely illogical. Basing our reality on these mere three dimensions is a serious flaw, but unfortunately one that we have to deal with until we are more capable at grasping the true nature of reality. Facts change, get over it.
two very different things, I think this article should clarify this by linking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mana
I disagree on two grounds.  The first being that manna is also spelt mana (I'd say it's the more common nomenclature actually, except it appears theological history is less popular than RPG's.) and thus there -is-, by definition alone, that implied and accepted ambiguity of the subject matter.  Secondly, I disagree on the grounds that they are not two very different things, one is a fictional derivative of the other. 211.30.80.121 22:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mana/Manna

message: According to Gabriel Cousens, "The most important mineral for spiritual life is the manna, or iridium, which is specifically geared to expanding consciousness and opening up the pituitary and pineal (DMT A SCHEDULED SUBSTANCE PRODUCED IN THIS GLAND) consciousness of the sixth chakra." (pg 473)   "...minerals are frequencies of Light.  Iridium is the frequency that connects us with the living field of the cosmos.  Iridium is part of a special class of minerals  known as monatomic minerals. (pg463)"  "...history shows us that the ancient royalty fo many cultures used this white powder to nourish their light bodies." (466)    Cousens talks about the different cultures and the different  names that each one called manna.    Check it out! 
Spiritual Nutrition: Six Foundations for Spiritual Life and the Awakening of Kundalini; North Atlantic Books, Berkeley CA (2005). — Preceding unsigned comment added by MadMunchieMan (talk • contribs) 07:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spiritual Nutrition

message: There are many literary references to the philosophers stone being a white powder, there are also many references to monatomic elements such as monatomic gold being ingested baked into small wafers and cakes for alleged medicinal purposes.  Of late there is a big movement behind this stuff spreading all over the internet, I figured it might be worthwhile if one of the authors or editors of this article were to look further into this MM:TPS == Manna theory and perhaps extrapolate on research on the subject for this--highly neglected--article. Jachin 14:41, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would require some sources... and I haven't head the comparison made by anyone inverviewd for MM on Coast to Coast.  Might be interesting. ---J.S (t|c) 17:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

text: To whoever the unsigned above commenter was with the stuck caps lock, please use normal casing whilst conversing with others, all capitals is considered to be 'shouting' and thus rude.  There is no reason that something of a 'mystic' background cannot have a scientific explination.  In fact, everything has a scientific explination, period.  Perhaps this 'we' in 'our country' could extrapolate?  Perhaps you can give us some insight as to what you believe it to be, or better still, produce some documentation or links? Jachin 05:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Monatomic Minerals: The Philosophers Stone

message: That part sounds fishy, and the link provided is obviously POV and thus cannot serve as a reference. --Tail 22:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice to get a secondary uninvolved source. ---J.S  (T/C) 22:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The manna of Saint Nicholas? 

message: "... and cloaked merchantesses, selling dry phallic tubes of manna in open stalls for 1.49 bucks a hit ..."I.V.
Seriously: What is this? Cassia, Senna or at least some Caesalpinioideae. The genera are totally fsck'ed up but the treeish ones seem to be Cassia mostly. Does anyone have good solid sourceable info on what species this is from? here too, which says its a pod with edible interior (think tamarind). Ordinarily I would think Cassia fistula which has the fistul- tube/pipe thingy. But its seed seem to be poisonous, and its from South Asia. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WHOAMI

message: Just wanted to point out that manna in Swedish means semolina, and I always assumed this is what they refer to. Makes sense to me. 80.229.163.182 (talk) 17:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Semolina

message: What happened to the Good Friday Experiment? The ONLY scientific study ever allowed that shows the connection between mysticsm and psilocin? Is that not convincing evidence? Its scientific and academic and everything you people claim to be truth... Or is the problem that it's a little too convincing? Is the problem here that there are people unworthy muddling in things that do not even concern them?
Or dare I say there is an attachment to a secret that's over?
::Do you not understand that the problem isn't your information, but it is how you present it?  I happen to agree with most everything you have said. But just because YOU know someting to be true dosn't mean we can just put it up.  can you immagine the chaos that would ensue?  This place MUST have standards or it will never have creditbility. 
Agreed and noted my appologies --Mannaseejah 18:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd love to find out more about the Good Friday Experiment.  Do you have a link to a website I can look at? ---J.S (t|c) 20:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...a credible website, please. Sparsefarce 21:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this article.  I've just blocked an anon for 24 hours for putting drug-related gibberish into the article, and I will do the same to anyone who does anything similar.  --ajn (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Friday Experiment

message: I want to first applaud J.S (J.Smith?) for putting what I was about to say in a reply to you so so perfectly. I couldn't have put it better myself. To think you are so immensively wonderful and all knowing in YOUR faith is just... well, its fanatisism isn't it? Its zealousy. Now, if in YOUR faith it said somewhere that if you killed through a suicide attack a Christian or a Muslim "infidel" it would guarantee you entry into YOUR heaven then you would probably do it, wouldn't you? Your arrogance angers me so much. Im a British atheist. I live life from an objective view. People like you... well. Just quite killing Lebonese people, they were there before you. False messiah uk 14:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the compliment.  But I must suggest that you read the policy on "No personal attacks."  Also, it's a good idea that if your message is for one person you use thier talk page. Thanks for stopping in... ---J.S (t|c) 21:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mannaseejah (continued) 

message: What do you make of this article: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,723060,00.html ? It seems to me to assert that manna is the excretion of bugs. Is that kosher ? Is there a way to include this reputable source in the wikipedia article ? Thanks rkmlai (talk) 04:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Help

message: This is article is pretty embarrasing.  It has included this for almost 2 months, not as a attributed quote, but as part of the article.
:"Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law or no. Exodus(16:4). And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground. Exodus(16: 14). And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat. And the house of Israel called the name there of manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey. Exodus(l6: 31). And Moses said, This is the thing which the LORD commandeth. Fill an omer of it to be kept for your generations: that they may see the bread where with I have fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt. Exodus(16: 32). And after the second vail, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all: Which had the golden censer and the Ark of the Covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna. Hebrews 9:3&4 But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes. And the manna was as coriander seed, and the colour thereof as the colour of bdelliaum. And the people went about and gathered it, and ground it in mills, or beat it in a mortar and baked it in pans: and made cakes of it: and the taste of it was as the taste of fresh oil. And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell upon it."
Much of the content throughout is from a Jewish or Christian point of view.  The real need is cleanup, but I put on the accuracy tag also because there were substantive content changes made from an IP (82.35.86.253) that also made some of the offending edits, so that needs to get parsed out.  -Bubamara 01:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job with the citation! ---J.S (t|c) 23:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup and Accuracy tags added

message: To My limited knowledge about the Hebrew language I know that the word "What" is מָה and i'm wondering why it's written "מָן הוּא" instead of "מָה הוּא", is this a biblical variant of the hebrew word?, thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by RicardoPineda (talk • contribs) 16:11, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ?מָן הוּא or מָה הוּא 

message: Manna = shrooms
Poor_Man's_Bible
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Canterbury_Cathedral_020_Poor_Mans_Bbible_Window_01.jpg
UnionWorker (talk) 12:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should certainly acknowledge the (minority) viewpoint that the manna described in the Bible is asctually a psychoactive mushroom. But we shouldn't devote very much space to it, and I can't see a good reason why four of the six "See Also"s should be links to articles on psychoactive fungi and plants. The primary role played by manna in the Bible is as food, not as an entheogen. Surely nobody is suggesting that thousands of Israelites relied on psychedelic mushrooms as their primary source of nutrition for forty years running? 65.213.77.129 (talk) 18:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manna = shrooms 

message: Mana#Universal_archetype 
Pearl Dragon (talk) 18:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  There is no connection whatsoever between manna and mana.  They're from completely unrelated languages, and mean completely different things; that they happen to be spelled similarly in English is pure coincidence. -- Zsero (talk) 19:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed link to mana page 

message: "And man did eat Angels food"
Interdimensional food? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gegeneb (talk • contribs) 17:15, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/29/foam-seaside-town-lather-cleveleys
White stuff at Cleveleys (video)
11:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  News 

message: It is not clear (at least to me) who or what is "RIKI"?
:::According to RIKI, Shabbat (Sabbath) was instituted the first week the manna appeared.[36] 
Can someone clarify this reference?  Perhaps a footnote or link? --Rcrowley7 (talk) 15:41, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RIKI??? 

message: Manna was said to be Lerp (biology) in the book Bush food:Aboriginal food and herbal medicine  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.243.190.151 (talk) 10:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And how would the author of that book know?  -- Zsero (talk) 19:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the author, Jennifer Isaacs, was there and did the research (an interesting concept?) ~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 21:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Manna=Lerp (biology)

message: I added a citation needed -tag in hope of finding a source for the claim that some (scholar) finds the Exodus to be a fictional story and thinks this is the solution why manna therein is improperly described. The claim itself seems contradictory. RedJimi (talk) 12:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  the fact that Exodus is a fictional story 

message: Is the biblical manna the origin of the term mana that is used to describe magic points in many popular RPG games?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.254.127.204 (talk) 02:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Please see the mana article. See how easy that was to answer just by using this website for what it was intended instead of just jumping to a conclusion? DreamGuy (talk) 02:11, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mana points in RPG games 

message: User:Smuckola has twice reverted the addition of this sourced material:
The edit summary on the first says "This is not a WP:RS but an unsubstantial personal commentary, stating vague guesses, with no sources. its mystery sources might be RS, but that's just a personal guess."  The edit summary on the second reversion says, "I difnt", which is presumably a typo that will be explained later.
I think the reason given doesn't hold up.
* Daily newspapers are "reliable sources".  "Reliable" does not mean "scholarly sources only", and a weather journalist in particular is generally considered reliable when the subject is stuff that falls out of the sky.
* News stories are not "unsubstantiated personal commentary".  The rather dubious http://deoxy.org/ or http://www.carpescriptura.com/ (Motto:  "A personal reading of scripture…") websites currently in the article might fit that definition, but a newspaper article, written by a professional journalist and edited by a professional editor, does not.
* It's not stating vague guesses:  it's asserting a simple fact about the existence of particular claim. (See WP:ASF:  we don't say that it's true, but we do say that it's true that this opinion has been expressed before—since at least the "star+jelly"+manna 19th century, in this case.)
* It doesn't name its sources; however, that's a red herring, because reliable sources are not required to cite their so-called "mystery sources".  (See the last question in Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/FAQ if you haven't read it before.)
Overall, I think that this information is adequately sourced to meet the WP:BURDEN, and shoule be included unless there is a substantive objection to it.  (Also, it might be a good idea to generally clean up the sourcing in that section, since some of it is noticeably worse than a newspaper article.)  WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:18, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star jelly 

message: Why does this article quote the Quran? This seems unnecessary. The Quran has nothing to with ancient Jewish texts and no insight can be gained from the Quran which is from a different culture, often quoted Jewish texts inaccurately anyway, a good thousand or more years later. References to the Quran and Islam should be removed since they add nothing to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HeirOfSumer (talk • contribs) 
:Thanks for pointing this out, but the article is about manna, not the Bible. So if it is mentioned in the Quran, that should be in the article. However, since the Bible predates the Quran, the Bible should be treated as the more important source for this subject. The Quran is only referenced twice (once in the lead and once in the first section) and the Bible is referenced the rest of the time. This seems a good balance. (And please sign your posts.) Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quoting Quran is unecessary 

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.4.157.198 (talk) 11:05, 18 January 200 (UTC)8
Substituted at 23:00, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: A large paragraph in the Identification section is dedicated to the fringe view that manna is an entheogen. This is a position heavily pushed by Terence McKenna, who isn't known for his scientifically sound research. My request is the following: this paragraph needs to be rewritten, so that it is more clear that these are fringe beliefs that are not supported by the wider scientific community. It is not necessary to remove the paragraph in its entirety, as it is an interesting part of the debate about manna's true nature. However, it needs to be more clear that, at this moment in time, the leading hypothesis for manna's origins is not entheogenic mushrooms. Duivelwaan (talk) 13:36, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. If you want to do that, go for it. If you don't want to do it, I'll just strip all the McKenna stuff out. McKenna is a lot of fun to read, and he's really smart in his own weird way, but definitely  not a reliable source in the Wikipedia sense of the term. Alephb (talk) 05:20, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manna, entheogenic mushrooms and pseudoscience 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Now we are on a WP:Edit war. As detailed explained in these edit summaries (, , , ), since yesterday you trying to pull a bad source to justify some relation of manna with bread fruit. This sounds like crazy simply because the Artocarpus genus is from Pacific region. In fact, you don't provide a WP:RS about your extraordinary claim. This violate our rules, specially about fringe theories. The "source" that you provided looks like published by you and suggests WP:COI. I think that the violations of WP:3RR can drive us to this noticeboard, where I will ask for help to enforce  Wikipedia rules that we all are committed.
Ixocactus (talk) 01:32, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. I'd say both the blog and the book  fails as sources per WP:SPS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war: fringe theory and original research 

message: The principle purpose of this article appears to be the promotion of crackpot hypotheses promulgated by new age authors, fringe scholars and "psychonauts". Terrence McKenna, Graham Hancock and Steve Kubby are not credible sources by any sane standard. They are cranks.
This article has to be high in the running for stupidest toss on wikipedia. 86.93.66.145 (talk) 10:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: This Article is an Embarrassment