Talk:Disorders of sex development

message: I added genetic causes using latest dicovery:   Genetrans2 (talk) 04:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  genetic causes 

message: If I am reading this correctly, according to the Accord Alliance's website in DSD guidelines in the Methodology section. If Kallmann Syndrome is listed in the Accord Alliance's DSD manual's Methodology section. Why is it not listed in here. I took the liberty of include it because the DSD Manual listed Kallmann Syndrome in the DSD. So it should be accurately reflect and mirror the DSD Manual on Wikipedia as well. It's why if Accord Alliance's DSD manual list Kallmann syndrome, It should be the same thing in here. It is fair after all and should reflect the source, which is Accord Alliance.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamododragoon (talk • contribs) 20:17, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but you need a reliable source, per WP:RS in order to list that. Kallmann syndrome is primarily associated with delayed puberty and anosmia, and DSD is often referred to as Disorders of Sex Differentiation, which Kallmann invariably isn't. From the KS article; "Patients with KS and other forms of HH are almost invariably born with normal sexual differentiation, i.e., they are physically male or female. This is due to the human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) produced by placenta at approximately 12 to 20 weeks gestation (pregnancy) which is normally unaffected by having KS or HH." - Alison ❤ 05:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to propose the following addition:
47,XXY: A chromosomal arrangement where a person has 2 X chromosomes and 1 Y chromosome. These individuals are often mistakenly assumed to have Klinefelter Syndrome because of the XXY karyotype and are given testosterone treatment as well as having radical mastectomies performed on their bodies. For the majority, this may work out well, but there is a group for whom this is disastrous.Diamond, Milton. "Developmental, Sexual and Reproductive Neuroendocrinology: Historical, Clinical and Ethical Considerations." Frontiers in Neuroendocrinology (2011): 255-63. Print. There are 47,XXY femalesSchmid, M.  47,XXY Female with Unusual Genitalia. Human Genetics 90.4 (1992): 346-49. National Center for Biotechnology Information. U.S. National Library of Medicine. Web. 12 Aug. 2013. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1483688>.​​, some with SRY negative 47,XXY Röttger, S., K. Schiebel, G. Singer, S. Ebner, W. Schempp, and G. Scherer. Röttger, S., K. Schiebel, G. Singer, S. Ebner, W. Schempp, and G. Scherer. "An SRY-negative 47,XXY mother and daughter." Cytogenetics and Cell Genetics 91.1-4 (2000): 204-07. National Center for Biotechnology Information. U.S. National Library of Medicine, 2001. Web. 12 Aug. 2013. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11173857>.​​, 47,XXYs who use estrogen and live as females, and 47,XXYs who choose to be androgynous and use no hormone treatment Diamond, Milton. "Developmental, Sexual and Reproductive Neuroendocrinology: Historical, Clinical and Ethical Considerations." Frontiers in Neuroendocrinology (2011): 255-63. Print... Great sensitivity in gender identity counseling with a professional is needed before any hormonal or surgical treatments are employed, with full informed consent, since many XXY adolescents will wish to enhance their masculinity while some will choose to enhance their femininity and others will wish to continue as androgynous Parkinson, John. "Gender Identity in Klinefelter’s Syndrome (47xxy) and Male Hypogonadism: Six Cases of Dysphoria." AUSTRALIAN AND NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF PSYCHIATRY (2007: A70.
CAWilson52 (talk) 22:25, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  DSD Methodology 

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message: I see the term 'Differences of sexual development' being used, eg by the IAAF in this BBC article.  Not sure if the article title should be changed. Or the term mentioned in the body. Onanoff (talk) 21:24, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences of sexual development 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Differences of sexual development. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  signed, Rosguill talk 20:19, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences of sexual development listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Who do you decide what should and should not be added to the list? For example, why does Uterus didelphys in the list, but Vaginal atresia and Bicornuate uterus are not? --HalfOfDwarf (talk) 09:08, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  What should be added to the list? 

message: I know this sounds like a dumb question but in this article you mentioned how some activist and international institutions use the term intersex.
I was wondering what term biologists use or what term sexologist use.
I’m asking this because I still some biological sources use the term intersex and some biology articles on Wikipedia use the term intersex. CycoMa (talk) 21:25, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  What term does scientific community use? 

message: ~ BOD ~  floated the idea (above) of merging this article (Disorders of sex development) with Intersex. IMHO it's an idea worth exploring. Of course, it would require a formal merge proposal to make it happen, as you know. I don't have time to investigate the possibility myself, but if someone else does, I will certain read whatever is posted and give it serious consideration.   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 03:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Intersex]]? 

message: This article is heavily weighted toward coverage of the name, rather than the conditions themselves. This should be rectified. I will make some attempts, but would appreciate help. Natureium (talk) 00:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Though they are covered here, the conditions are also covered in the Intersex article. To have them in both places might be repetition. ~ BOD ~ TALK 05:18, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:WEIGHT]] 

message: The conditions section has two main problems.
One, many of parts don’t cite any sources and they contain some information that’s not needed.CycoMa (talk) 18:55, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conditions section has problems 

message: This is just a proposal for this article. How about in the conditions section we list conditions that are considered DSDs by sources and if there is controversy on whether or not that condition counts as a DSD we should briefly explain why.CycoMa (talk) 17:10, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What counts as a DSD 

message: I'm newish to wiki—not sure about how best to go this, but—this really needs to be changed to difference of sexual development and searches for disorders of sexual development needs to be the redirect. It's definitely the consensus of the medical community now. Happy to pull together the research, just not sure how to do this without starting some stupid internet fight. Haashgizh (talk) 06:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , and welcome-ish to the wiki. I moved your comment down here to a new section to leave that years-old discussion undisturbed. Changing an article title is called a "move", and a contentious move like this would require a requested move (RM) discussion. I encourage you to read up on the last one, #Requested move 8 April 2020, and to carefully consider whether enough has changed since then to justify a new move discussion. You should be on the lookout for new evidence or fresh counterarguments. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 06:57, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

text: It’s actually not the consensus. There are 60 different DSD conditions and people with those different conditions have very different opinions on this topic. For example, women with uterine birth defects consider their condition to be a disorder because it causes uterine factor infertility. It not a mere difference or variation. Additionally, intersex is not relevant to all DSD conditions as not all DSD conditions involve a mix of male and female sex characteristics or a mismatch between sex chromosomes, gonads and genitalia. KatieBFacts (talk) 12:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible move 

message: :
This needs rewriting.  “46,XX; 46,XY; sex chromosome;” these are not disorders. —Tamfang (talk) 06:41, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  types 

message: This entry needs to be edited to reflect the fact that intersex conditions are a subset of DSD. The intersex flag also needs to be removed so that it does not accompany this link everywhere it’s used. The intersex flag is is not relevant to all DSD conditions. It it contributing to confusion about the category. KatieBFacts (talk) 12:25, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intersex requires qualification 

message: These are questions which I think are crucial to this concept and yet not covered in the article. Tunkall (talk) 19:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: 2006. Philipbrochard (talk) 06:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  When was the term DSD coined? When did it become an official diagnosis? 

message: "Similarly, some clinicians have proposed that congenital adrenal hyperplasia be excluded. Human rights advocate Morgan Carpenter has remarked that this proposal appears motivated by support for contentious medical interventions."
That section is extremely confusing, and does not make sense to me. Ok so essentially, some clinicians want to stricten or tighten the definition of intersex/ dsd , ok. Morgan Carpenter says this is motivated by support for medical interventions, this may just be conjecture and opinion and thus i am not sure about the relevancy of individual people's statements about the issue. Philipbrochard (talk) 06:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clinical disagreements about the term section 

message: I think it might be useful to categorize DSD as people with congenital conditions where their chromosomal, gonadal, or anatomical sexual characteristics are atypical (for their sex). It affects up to 1.7% of people.
Meanwhile, categorize Ambiguous DSD (intersex) specifically restricted to those conditions in which typical chromosomal categorization patterns are inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not easily classifiable as either male or female, with the prevalence of about 0.018% only.
Thirdly, any cases of "hermaphroditism" should be renamed to ovo-testicular syndrome. Philipbrochard (talk) 07:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion of the term