Talk:Tentacle erotica

message: Why should this article be merged with rape?  It seems to be different enough to warrant its own page.
KrJnX 18:13, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger

message: *Advancer Tina
*Alien from the Darkness
205.217.105.2 21:40, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Two other films on this theme

message: As much as I dislike censorship, this image does present a semi-graphic image of a pornographic subject. Is the article enhanced by having it immediately visible on the page, or would it be best if we were to obfuscate it somehow - eg, through an outside link?
:It's a well-known image, and Hokusai's work is widely regarded as fine art. I think it's fine. If it was a still from a sex scene in Urotsukidoji, that'd be a different story.  — Gwalla | Talk 04:30, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: People I redirect to this page after they ask me on fora what the hell I just talked about. Niarch (talk) 04:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image appropriate? 

message: What's the actual Japanese term for this phenomena? Just curious... Kitty 07:22, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese page on tentacles in general mentions a "tentacle genre" of anime and uses "触手" for tentacle. Franzeska 21:33, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do you say Tentacle Rape in Japanese? 

message: === why "rape"? ===
Since "rape" - forced sex - is a subset of "sex", why is this page specifically "Tentacle Rape" redirected from "Tentacle Sex" and not the other way around?  Some tentacle sex is consensual, you know. Well, so I hear anyway. Ahem. wikipediatrix 19:15, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and changed the article title.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 13:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I never heard this term before. Usually it's called "tentacle porn". I was just annoyed by this freshly invented label, because I couldn't find the Urotsukidōji article right away anymore. This isn't rape nor sex - it's pornography. Of course the term "tentacle sex" is often used on web sites for obvious SEO reasons. 91.16.223.154 (talk) 13:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 2005

message: Since "rape" - forced sex - is a subset of "sex", why is this page specifically "Tentacle Rape" redirected from "Tentacle Sex" and not the other way around?  Some tentacle sex is consensual, you know. Well, so I hear anyway. Ahem. wikipediatrix 19:15, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and changed the article title.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 13:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I never heard this term before. Usually it's called "tentacle porn". I was just annoyed by this freshly invented label, because I couldn't find the Urotsukidōji article right away anymore. This isn't rape nor sex - it's pornography. Of course the term "tentacle sex" is often used on web sites for obvious SEO reasons. 91.16.223.154 (talk) 13:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why "rape"? 

message: s'ly
:That's fine, dear. --Isequals 08:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think she or he is talking about the things on the appendages of the octopodes. Niarch (talk) 04:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: this page sucks

message: I find it inappropriate to link to an episode of Weebl and Bob in an article unrelating to the actual cartoon series itself and 
since many people in fact do not like Weebl and Bob and would not wish to see a link to it on an article that has no affiliation
with it. I don't beleive this has any place in this article. If you were to link to a cartoon that had a little tiny bit to do with
any article there would be cartoon links everywhere, and we don't want to inspire that. --Isequals 08:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ..Bwahahaha. Okay. I'll be honest. I just hate Weebl and Bob. --Isequals 08:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weebl and Bob 

message: First of all, let me say that the woodcut print is an absolutely amazing historical image.  But, given that this article has no substantive information on the history of tentacle rape between 1820-1987, isn't it possible that this remakable woodcut's relation to modern tentacle rape depictions is incidental at best?--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 18:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened between 1820 and 1987? nothing???

message: in this film,near the end,Fox Mulder(David Duchovny)discovers his partner Dana Scully(Gillian Anderson)imprisoned aboard an alien spacecraft along with many other humans.They are kept frozen inside cryogenic chambers with an alien tentacle forced down their throats.When Mulder awakens Scully by injecting her with a vaccine both she and the tentacle come to life.Some kind of biological fluid is seen going down the tentacle into her body.When the tentacle is pulled out of her throat she's seen coughing up some thick,semi-clear liquid much like in the tentacle-rape/oral-sex scenes.And since the purpose of this is to in essence impregnate the humans with a gestating alien organism this heightens the parallel. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cobraxus (talk • contribs) 18:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the x-files:fight the future 

message: There are multiple links in the body of this article that go directly to outside websites, some apparently pornographic in nature.
:All are clearly described as explicit in their descriptions, I see no problem with them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.169.232.11 (talk) 03:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate links??? 

message: This is in regards to the statement:
Much of the genre also consists of domination/humiliation and bondage fetishes, since the victim typically is restrained by the appendages.
This statement is denoted with "citation needed" at the end. I previously removed the tag, commenting on the need, but it was restored with "no original research" as the justification. Thus the point of this discussion. ^_^
I am questioning the logic. One need not ask for citation on something so obvious when the source material is seen. By its very nature, tentacle rape is domination and bondage. Restraint of the victim (and the byproduct of humiliation and spirit breaking) is the norm rather than the exception. As tentacle rape is not a major sociopolitical or behavioral study, one will not find a scientific panel review study on the subject. There are Japanese articles which discuss tentacle rape (eroge hobby magazines) – however Wikipedia has guidelines against foreign language source; and this poster's translation of material could/would be given some sort of Wiki tag against it. This said: it is simply easier to use Primary Sources as "proof" to the sentence.
Primary sources: the entire range of tentacle rape titles. Anime includes Legend of the Overfiend or La Blue Girl. Manga includes "tentacle rape" chapters from titles released by Crimson Comics and Hellbunna (two adult manga lines that are found on illegal download sites; used only due to greater ease for English speakers to find them). Games can be located from the catalog of "specialist" publishers such as Black Cyc and Tinkerbell. List goes on and on.
Verifiability: Within reason, tentacle rape titles can be acquired by individuals of legal age. Japanese direct titles can be ordered from importers such as Himeyashop. Translated titles can be ordered from companies such as Peach Princess and G-Collection. Review of said material, will prove statement is factual. No different than if someone said, if you go outside and look at typical healthy grass, it will be green.
I am a "fan" of tentacle rape material – and although I do not produce such titles or write news articles in game magazines (although no such English publication exist) – I do consider myself knowledgeable. Of some relation: I also keep tabs on the eroge market and have a vested interest in it. I only state this, to point out that I'm not an insane random vandal. ^_-
The removal of the "citation needed" is not original research. Original research would be this poster, calculating a percentage of how much tentacle hentai is tentacle rape. What I am pointing out, is that the statement in question is: obvious to the topic when tentacle rape is seen with regularity, will not have a professional research citation from a credible institution (one could argue such a thing is beneath them), and is highly unnecessary. Please prove me otherwise. Nargrakhan 14:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Of course one can say that about almost anything that's not breakable into raw numbers or elemental figures... say... "rape" is an opinion and not fact, since the exact definition deviates from culture to culture. But that would be poisoning the well, and just side tracking... so ignore it. Furthermore, doesn't the term define itself? Tentacle rape requires: (1) tentacles and (2) rape - or vice versa. However it remains to be said: asking for citation on something that has no "grand body of experts" (at least outside Japan) to draw upon is rather innate in of itself. There is no sourcing, other than that which can be taken from those who collect/watch large amounts of tentacle rape. Of course such a thing WOULD be original research. It's circular. As for what "is" tentacle rape: in the West there are no standards. However in Japan, there is. Sites such as Getchu and EGS immediately come to mind, since eroge is a cornerstone of sex anime. However there are publications such as Tech Gian which make frequent categorizations. Furthermore, the genre of eroge and hentai anime are often labeled on Japanese packaging for shelf organization in stores (Akihabara has it most in my encounters). However - going circular again - I can't refer to such sources due to the need of English verification for Wikipedia. Seriously... how many actually heard of "Tech Gian" in America? I could practically make up a fictional article, lie about it being in an obscure copy of the publication, and no one would be the wiser unless they were as insane about tentacle rape as I was. Tech Gian - despite it's huge popularity - doesn't print back issues unfortunately. And just for the record: I didn't write the sentence that I'm arguing about... Not to poison the well - and I DO NOT want this next comment to be used as ammo against me (this is just an offhand observation formed from puzzlement rather than logic): but I just find it exceeding strange that anyone who has seen the bulk of tentacle rape products, question the validity. One does not need to "citation needed" on a statement that claimed, "in most eroge games the player is a male character." Anyone who played more than a handful of "niche" titles would know that. Nargrakhan 01:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Needed Challenge 

message: It is conceivable that "Shambleau" is parallel to this, but I see no source that Moore is part of it; her source is Medusa, as is clearly stated in the story (and her comments in the Best of C. L. Moore), and her changes from the classic image are more likely to be indebted to the Laocoon than to Hokusai. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: C. L. Moore

message: They're arms!  See the article on tentacles .  72.192.216.234 (talk) 17:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: They're not tentacles

message: The link to the gallery on this page is broken or nonexistent.  If somebody could repair or replace the links and add references, that'd be great.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.169.232.11 (talk) 03:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken/Missing Links 

message: I've heard this topic referred to frequently as "tentacle rape porn" or "TRP". Perhaps it would be appropriate to have this article listed in the disambiguation of "TRP"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.56.57 (talk) 19:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TRP? 

message: right|250px|thumb|From 1892 New Orleans newspaper. 
Are there known earlier examples of "tentacle erotica" or "tentacle rape" in the West? Wondering, Infrogmation (talk) 12:54, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tentacle erotica outside of Japan

message: Should this page also include references to live-action tentacle-rape type materials?  There is definitely live action (i.e. real person) with tentacle special effect films being produced. Centerone (talk) 01:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Live Action

message: After reading the gender studies section, I wonder why it hasn't been removed yet. The author makes no cited reference to tentacle erotica at all, instead going on for three paragraphs about general feminist porn debates. Furthermore, what the author does say about tentacles is not only uncited, but unresearched. For example: "The increasingly violent depictions found in tentacle porn might be correlated with underlying misogynistic trends in pop culture." As a Japanese Studies major myself, this is just flat-out untrue. Unless someone can find proper citations and rewrite the section to have more to do with tentacle erotica rather than general feminist debate, I vouch for its removal. 69.243.144.145 (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is a mess, but I don't have time to fix it properly... but this is a western feminist take on it. Though yes. "Increasingly violent" Maeda invented the concept and I think its gotten BETTER rather than worse.  So probably... I am just stuck with other anime/manga sections so I cannot devote much time to fixing Wikipedia's hentai coverage problems... a lot of is wrong in fact. I'll tag it for now.ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:10, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a number of original research edits (practically an essay - mostly opinion) from either a sock puppet account, or a new user who doesn't understand how wikipedia works and has a particular axe to grind around a few related topics. He was active for two months and then nothing. Centerone (talk) 05:14, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Doing an in-depth reread of it, I think the first paragraph of it is potentially salvageable, with additional references and a minor rewrite.. the second and third aren't, nor are their references. However, reference 3 looks interesting.. does anybody have access to the full text of: "Meistermann, J. H, Riding the Squid, Blackwold, GA: University of Blackwold Press, 1979"? Centerone (talk) 05:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone just deleted the whole section claiming that there is no university of blackwold. I don't know if there is or is not, but according to http://www.the-unpublishable.com/2012/02/excerpt-from-tentacle-as-sexual-symbol.html it is a real article.  If someone bothered to reference a fictional article with a fictional reference, that is a bit surprising. There may have been a university of blackwold in 1979 that ceased to be, or it may have been a press that was given a made-up name for some reason. Either way, I think the reference at least deserves some research. Centerone (talk) 21:38, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like a hoax. There is no "University of Blackwold" or even a town of Blackwold in Georgia. The only Google hits for the supposed book "Riding the Squid" by "Johann Hans Meistermann" relate to either that blog entry or this Wikipedia article. Some of the other references are obviously fake, and the blog is in fact devoted to fiction. It looks to me that we've been had.--Cúchullain t/c 21:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you mean by "some of the other references are obviously fake".. I just checked them out and they almost all come up and don't look "obviously fake" to me.  Sure, they might not exactly be "reliable sources".. but they are not obviously fake.  Yes, the article about octopus wrestling looks a bit jokey, but I can certainly believe that the newspaper articles they print are authentic from the 50s/60s time period goofy and not exactly ethical octopus wrestling trend in the same way that swallowing goldfish was a thing. Centerone (talk) 00:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is a jokey farrago. For one "obviously fake" reference, the link for the actress "Ursula" contains exactly none of the rather ridiculous material attributed to it. Another cites a supposed 1935 pornographic comic book called "The Cumming of Cthulhu". Etc etc. Now that we've identified several reasons to be dubious of this blog entry and the book it mentions (published by a fake university in a fake town), it would be more productive to hear why we should give it credence, or else just leave the material out.--Cúchullain t/c 03:48, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As the author of the blog in question, I can assure you that everything on there is a work of fiction. That specific article is written in a pseudo-scholarly style and mixes real and fictional references. There is no University of Blackwold, no Ursula, and no Cthulhu Tijuana bible. Ancient0History (talk) 13:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Again, it's not original research, it's fiction. And someone hoaxed us by inserting one of its fake references here (and a credulous Wikipedian discovered the blog without realizing what it was. ) Ancient0History, thank you for clearing this up.--Cúchullain t/c 13:18, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the Gender Studies section serve a purpose? 

message: * http://www.wweek.com/bump/2016/12/06/a-brief-history-of-tentacle-porn/ ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: Someone added the martin van maele illustration without any accompanying reference to it, what it is, what it's from, etc. Perhaps that should be remedied... Centerone (talk) 19:32, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  martin van maele illustration?  

message: :
So, something that began in 1945 dates back to before 1912? Help me follow this. —Tamfang (talk) 04:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  time travel