Talk:Easter egg

message: This article seems justified towards the side Christian Apologetics.  While it is indeed valuable data about how the Christians came to adopt this custom, this article and even recent extremist scholars (e.g.. Prof. Ronald Hutton in "The Stations of the Sun") blatantly ignore the pagan antecedents of this custom as demonstrated by a venerable work cited by both, by contrast to the overly Christian meme of each: Venetia Newall's "An Egg At Easter" emphatically concludes that the custom is pagan in origin.  The Introduction also seems somewhat skewed as it infers to the reader that this custom is a purely Christian invention despite the evidence to the contrary; in fact, the quoted sources re essentially modern interpretations that seek to justify the Easter Egg as a Christian symbol.  This makes the intro. little more than Christian propaganda as it is phrased.  A drastic re-write is in order, and I thoroughly recommend wiping the intro. almost entirely because of its propagandist nature!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.39.20.191 (talk) 06:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The Custom's Pagan Antecedents

message: Its all about the mostly defunct tradition of egg decorating- there should at least be a partial mention of the chocolate eggs which today are what you are taken to mean when you say easter egg --Josquius 11:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends where you live. Bazza 12:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird article... 

message: I'm surprised that the article completely leaves out the fact that colouring of and exchanging of eggs at the beginning of spring has been a tradition in Persia from before the birth of Christianity.
Agrred the article seems to have been written by Christians seeking to distort history as usual. It makes no mention of the Teutonic goddess of spring "Eastre" which is patently ridiculous in fact no mention of the obvious pagan origins of easte rat all :
The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe.  Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." Despite attempts to Christianise it Easter is accepted by all scholars to be a pagan fertility rite in origin celebrating the rebirth of life in spring.
:More propaganda.  Any actual evidence to back your claims?  How about signing up for an account and signing your comments? Dogface 05:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The pagan origin of the Slavic Easter egg is tradition is mentioned in the article on Egg decorating in Slavic culture, and the Anglo-Saxon origin of the English name Easter from the goddess Ēostre is mentioned in the article on Easter. Nobody has denounced these as "propaganda". The Encyclopedia Britannica's article on "church year (Christianity): Easter" says "As at Christmas, so also at Easter, popular customs reflect many ancient pagan survivals—in this instance, connected with spring fertility rites, such as the symbols of the Easter egg and the Easter hare or rabbit". And so on - there are plenty of reliable sources to back up the theory that Easter eggs have a pre-Christian origin, although there are plenty of others that deny it.  It seems odd, at least - not to say biased - that the current article does not even mention it as a possibility. HairyDan (talk) 11:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article incomplete 

message: The article says that The most well-known egg roll is done at the White House. It might be the most well-known in the US, but it may not be anywhere else. Until there's a citation to prove the assertion, I have amended it to the Easter Egg Roll has become a much-loved annual event on the White House lawn. Bazza 12:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter Egg roll at the White House 

message: It would be interesting to disambiguate Easter Eggs and create a new article about "Easter Eggs" in video games, that is, secret areas, messages, or objects put into games which is popular among today's game designers. There's certainly enough about those to make a new article for it.--67.172.10.82 21:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You may perhaps be looking for Easter egg (media), which is linked at the top of this article.  Powers T 15:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree there should be should be a Disabiguation page, any one else feel this way? 72.185.138.138 00:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter Eggs in video games 

message: The material already in the article fits in well with what i have heard, that is not described: two people each holding such an egg, and crying different versions of the Resurrection news (in Greek, for Greek O.) while they hit them together to see which one's shell is cracked -- the cracking symbolizing the opening of the tomb. Someone should be able to get the details better than i would manage. --Jerzy•t 04:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter-Orthodox Easter eggs 

message: Ok, I admit I am a useless newbie, but I just thought I'd fix the External Link section  broken link for the Vegreville egg, while I was visiting the page. I browsed around, found a Tour Alberta Main Streets site with a nice picture, and substituted that link, since the town of Vegreville's gallery seems to be broken. I also clarified that the egg is the World's Largest Ukrainian Pysanka. The error messages I got tonight were worse than useless. From what I can figure out, I was accused of linkspam. The edit was removed, and instead of putting up something that worked, the editor just left the broken link. Why? What should I have done instead? Clear constructive criticism welcome. Thanks. 142.59.110.73 02:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You should of used a more descriptive edit summary, something like "fix broken link" could of prevented my revert. Mentioning changes to the external links section first here on the talk page is always a good idea. Now that you have stated your intentions on fixing that link your change sounds great, please change it back. Since it's Easter weekend this page is a seasonal spam magnet. You are welcome to help out, if you see spam links added then please delete them. Thanks. (Requestion 18:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  external links 

message: Hi. I've started a discussion regarding moving Easter (disambiguation) to Easter (after having moved Easter to Easter (Christian festival) (or something similar). Discussion to please take place at Talk:Easter_%28disambiguation%29#Requested_move, NOT here. Many thanks! --Rebroad 10:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move of [[Easter]] article

message: Erm, I suspect the bit at the end about "deep fried easter eggs in scotland" is an urban myth.  Is there anyone there who can testify to having found such a thing. (if so was it any good? ((and what is the recipe?!)))
:Aye, I think this needs a cite -- can't see a hollow chocolate egg surviving deep frying that well. A deep-fried Creme Egg sounds more plausible, but I've never seen one. Mendor 18:51, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  http://www.historyishappening.com/Apophis/BatteredEasterEgg.jpg <<< I can certify that, as I read it in the "Press and Journal" newspaper, cut it out, and took that scan, a long time ago... If I looked around, i could find the original scan, but couldnt get you a date. Still, you'll know roughly when its from. If you do decide to include it, perhaps upload that image to imageshack, etc, incase that site goes down. Popher (talk) 00:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deep Fried Easter Egg 

message: See my comments on Talk:Chocolate egg. --SJK (talk) 09:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  National differences 

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message: The article ought to make clear that the association of eggs with Easter and spring is not just symbolic, but a fact of nature.
Seasonality of eggs in New York Times Freakonomics column
"Easter’s symbols of rebirth, eggs, chicks, baby rabbits, lambs and the like are simple enough to understand in the Christian tradition but I'm always surprised when people fail to understand that it is much more than that. Eggs and baby animals were some of the very first fresh food that pre-industrial populations would have after a long winter, and would in many cases be the only food available. Spring was known as the “starving time” for most of man's history (in temperate climates) because much of the previous year's harvest and stores would have been consumed by March and April. Thus, as soon as you could begin to move around outdoors in the daylight you'd begin looking for eggs and game to supplement your diet. Thus the Easter tradition of egg hunting is more mimicry of our starving ancestors than many would like to think." -- Kai Carver (talk) 01:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Egg not a just a symbol, but a feature of spring

message: The "Easter Bunny" would seem to be a purely North American tradition, with some spillage into other cultures. It should be qualified as such in the summary.--Rfsmit (talk) 19:18, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, the Easter bunny is originally German, or Alsatian: Easter_Bunny#Origins --Kai Carver (talk) 13:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter Bunny 

message: This article infers that the Slavic people introduced the event of painting and cracking eggs to represent the ressurection of Christ where in fact, they were Pagans when they came to Europe. As a matter of fact, Christianity was introduced to them by the Eastern Orthodox Christians who had this event incorporated in their preachings ling before. I think this article has once again been sabotaged by certain extremists for political reasons to gain points for their agenda. For example, they infer Croatians use this tradition when we know that Croatians have always been Catholic. The real tell tale sign is the use of the term Macedonian which unless it refers to Greek Macedonians who lived in and around Constantinople or northern Greece at the time, then it can only be connected to political propaganda. If this is the case, it is sad that a sacred event such as easter is being used as a propaganda tool.
:But the Easter Egg tradition was not and is not, as far as we know, an Slavic-Orthodox exclusivity. The tradition of painted eggs appears in other peoples of Central/Eastern Europe too, like Croatians and even Lithuanians.--MaGioZal (talk) 15:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH ARTICLE

message: Spotted in a supermarket today (4 January). Jackiespeel (talk) 23:04, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: First Easter Eggs of 2010

message: The "Origin and folklore" section contains a fair amount about the alleged goddess Ēostre:
The pre-Christian Saxons had a spring goddess called Eostre, whose feast was held on the Vernal Equinox, around 21 March. Her animal was the spring hare. Some believe that Ēostre was associated with eggs and hares,Channel 4 - Time Team and the rebirth of the land in spring was symbolised by the egg. Ēostre is only known from the writings of Bede Venerabilis, a seventh-century Benedictine monk. Bede mentions the pagan worship of Ēostre among the Anglo-Saxons as having died out before he wrote about it. Bede's De temporum ratione attributes her name to the festival, but does not mention eggs at all.Beda Venerabilis 
Given how little we know about Eostre--our only source for the existence of such a goddess is Bede, and he says nothing more than that she was honored in a month named for her, and that that month later gave its name to Easter--this seems unwarranted. All the actual connections between Eostre and easter eggs are marked with fact-check tags; according to the article on Eostre, these connections are all 19th-century speculation.
I suggest removing the references to Esotre from the article. If people want to know about the etymology of "Easter" (and speculations about the goddess), they'll find the info they need from the Easter page. -- Narsil (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And, hearing no objections... -- Narsil (talk) 19:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest removing references to Eostre 

message: So I'm kinda half-reading, half skimming the article, when I come upon this caption on an image: "Candle dripped Easter eggs from Ord Mantell and South Bend, IN, USA".  Being a Sci-Fi dork and a Star Wars fan, I immediately recognized 'Ord Mantell' as a planet from the Star Wars Expanded Universe.  Granted, my first thought was 'What?  Is there someplace real called that or is it just Vandalism?' Cursory examination turned up no such real place.  In fact, Ord Mantell is an active redirect to it's entry in the List of Star Wars Planets.  Probably why our vandal didn't link it.
Some slightly more involved searching turned up the exact page revision where it appeared: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Easter_egg&diff=281414284&oldid=281334142
21:11 April 10th, 2009.  I pulled it out of the article at 21:46 April 9th, 2010.
A guy adds a nonexistent planet to an image caption, in addition to the original, actual location that was listed... and it survives unremoved for 364 days, 15 minutes; 23.75 hours short of one year.  In all that time, it would appear that not one single person that read, edited, or removed vandalism from the article checked that out at all.  Nobody tried to link it, nobody tried to look up the article for it, nobody, in fact, bothered to try verifying it at all.
That Vandal has probably been laughing his ass off every single time he checks the page and sees it's still there.  He's probably fair disappointed it missed 1 year by that narrow of a margin too.
-Graptor 208.102.243.30 (talk) 22:02, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism left in article for 364 days? 

message: My wife and I happened to be in Greece during Greek Easter a few years ago and in a number of places we heard the following story for the Easter Egg tradition. Apparently, when the women went to Jesus' tomb on the Sunday morning, they went there after first collecting eggs as they had done on every other morning. But on this morning, the eggs had miraculously become coloured red. Yes, I recognize that this is hardly a "verified" story by any encyclopaedic definition.
Old_Wombat (talk) 09:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yet another theory 

message: The second sentence reads as such:
The egg is a pagan symbol of the rebirth of the Earth in celebrations of spring and was adopted by early Christians as a symbol of the resurrection of Jesus.
The source for this sentence is here. I question the validity of this sentence and its source.  The source provides absolutely no attribution as to who wrote it, what their qualifications are, and exactly where their information comes from.  (Plus the source includes "Easter songs and fingerplays" for preschool!)  67.233.245.55 (talk) 00:49, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with second sentence and sourcing 

message: Under the Easter egg traditions section, there is a list of countries where egg tapping is practised. After that list, an editor has added 'They call it tucanje'. The languages spoken in that list of countries differ and that word seems (from my checking) to apply to very few of them. Tucanje is a word in Croatian, but not in Bulgarian - the correct term there is чукане/чукване (с яйца), transliterated as chukane/chukvane (s yaitsa), meaning literally knocking/tapping (with eggs). That's why I added a  to that sentence.
Options here are to either remove that phrase, or add (in brackets) the translations for each language by native speakers, similarly to Egg decorating in Slavic culture. The second option is my preferred. The Z UKBG (talk) 11:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egg tapping in respective languages 

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message: Could somebody please clarify the following part of the article: "During Paschaltide, in some traditions the Paschal greeting with the Easter egg is even extended to the deceased." I cannot see how the Paschal greeting is extended to the deceased, especially if an Easter egg is meant to be involved. This is very confusing and should be improved upon.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.150.243 (talk) 21:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paschal Greeting with Easter Egg 

message: I did considerable rearrangement to the article just now - I didn't take anything out but a picture of some Cadbury eggs, though.  The idea was to clarify how the Lent tradition gives a real explanation for egg eating on Easter, then proceed from there, marginalizing the non-Christian traditions which so far haven't been very convincingly linked to Easter by anything I've read here. Wnt (talk) 22:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter egg rearrangement 

message: I won't add a new section of just one sentence, but I think I'd be nice to include something to the effect of: "'Easter Eggs' in video games are surprising often humorous elements put into a game that don't serve any real purpose.  A lot of times they include things outside the universe of the game, other games, or simply a message to the player from the developer.  They generally go unnoticed hence the usage of the term since players hunt for them."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.2.246 (talk) 01:56, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter Eggs in Gaming 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Because of the issue of the overload of images, perhaps it is wise we have a discussion section to discuss any changes in regards to images. A section where people may propose replacing/ adding images to this article. For that very reason, I have created this section.SecretName101 (talk) 23:55, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: A cute image that will likely not be added however, would be this one of the Clinton family cat Socks (cat) at the White House with a bunch of easter eggs: 
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thread_title:  Images 

message: So, the Jewish antecedents of Easter are well noted throughout the main article, but especially here and here. Given that the date, name, and many major symbols of Easter were explicitly borrowed from Jewish Passover whole-cloth, I don't understand how the Easter Egg article fails to discuss the importance of hardboiled eggs to to the Passover Seder and how that may have influenced the adoption of egg symbolism into Easter holiday traditions -- with the exception of a few, unsourced throwaway lines at the very end of the article. Like, the Christians and pagans weren't the only ones kicking around Mesopotamia at the beginning of the millenium, influencing early Christian doctrine. 
Can someone add more balance to this article by incorporating this history more fully and with citations?
EmmeDave (talk) 19:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish origins of Easter generally; eggs and lambs specifically? 

message: I have been meaning to mention something about this here for a while. I used to think that Easter eggs originated in Mesopotamia as this article claims, but Peter Gainsford, a New Zealand classicist, has written an excellent and detailed article investigating the sources for the idea that Easter eggs originated in Mesopotamia which refutes this idea. Gainsford found that the earliest source mentioning Easter eggs in Mesopotamia is the book De Ludis Orientalibus ("On Eastern Games") by Thomas Hyde, published in 1694. There are no earlier sources recording Easter eggs in Mesopotamia before Hyde. Gainsford concludes that the idea of Easter eggs in Mesopotamia prior to the 1600s probably originates from people hearing the word "Mesopotamia" and automatically thinking "ancient Mesopotamia." He notes that there is evidence for Easter eggs in western Europe from long before the earliest evidence of Easter eggs in Mesopotamia, indicating the association of eggs with Easter actually originated in western Europe.
Concerning the origins of Easter eggs, Gainsford notes that scholars who study the Middle Ages generally conclude that Easter eggs most likely originated in western Europe during the Middle Ages as a result of the fact that eggs were forbidden during Lent, but, when Easter arrived, medieval Catholic Christians were permitted to eat eggs again. Because eggs were suddenly back on the menu on Easter Sunday, the tradition arose of blessing eggs for Easter. Thus, eggs became associated with Easter. Gainsford quotes a passage from the medievalist L. Gougaud in support of this. This actually makes a lot of sense. It seems that the association of eggs with Easter most likely originates not from paganism or from Christian symbolism, but rather from medieval prohibitions on which foods people were allowed to eat during Lent. —Katolophyromai (talk) 05:06, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Katolophyromai, I have no objection if Peter Gainsford's theory is added in the article as one view of how Easter Eggs originated. I do object to the removal of the Mesopotamian origins view, since it is well-sourced to publications by ABC-CLIO and Routledge, both academic presses, among other references. We cannot allow the viewpoints expressed by one author in his own blog article to be the sole theory represented here. As such, I have attributed the claim you added by Peter Gainsford and have restored the information that was removed. To me, this seems to be a good WP:COMPROMISE. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 01:37, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter eggs not from Mesopotamia 

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