Talk:List of Soviet divisions 1917–1945

message: Moscow proletarian mrd (motor-rifle)
2nd Belorussian rd 
3rd Pacific Ocean rd 
4th Smolensk rd 
5th Vitebsk rd 
6th Orel rd 
7th Chernigov  md  
8th Minsk rd 
9th Caucasian mrd (mountain-rifle)
10th rd 
11th rd 
12th rd 
13th Daghestan rd 
14th Krivoy Rog rd 
15th  Sivashskaya md 
16th Ulyanov rd 
17th Gor'kiy rd 
18th rd 
19th Voronezh rd 
the 20th proletariat of Donbass  mrd  
21st Perm rd
22nd Krasnodar rd 
23rd Kharkov rd 
24th Samara - Ulyanov Iron rd
25th  Chapayevskaya  rd 
26th Zlatoust rd 
27th Omsk rd 
28th mountain  mrd  
29th Siberian  md  (motorized)
30th Irkutsk  mrd 
31th rd 
32th Saratov rd 
33th Belorussian rd 
34th Middle Volga rd 
35th Siberian rd
36th Transbaikal  mrd  
37th rd
38th rd 
39th rd 
40th  Bogucharskaya  rd 
41th rd
42nd rd 
43th rd 
44th Kiev  mrd  
45th Volhnya rd 
46th Dnepropetrovsk rd 
47th mrd  
48th rd
49th rd 
50th Taman rd 
51th Perekop rd 
52nd rd 
53th rd 
54th rd 
55th Kursk rd 
56th Moscow rd 
57th Ural  mrd  
58th mrd  
59th rd
60th mrd  
61th rd 
62th Turkestan rd
63th Georgian  mrd  
64th rd 
65th rd 
66th rd 
67th rd
68th Turkestan  mrd  
69th md  
70th rd 
71th rd 
72th mrd  
73th rd 
74th rd 
75th rd
76th Armenian  mrd  
77th Azerbaijan  mrd  
78th rd 
79th rd 
80th rd 
81th md  
82th md 
83th Turkestan  mrd 
84th md  
85th rd
86th rd
87th rd 
88th rd 
89th rd
90th rd
91th rd 
92nd rd 
93th Eastern Siberian rd 
94th rd 
95th Moldavian rd
96th Vinnitsa mrd 
97th rd 
98th rd 
99th rd 
100th rd 
101th mrd  
102nd rd 
103rd md  
104th rd 
105th rd 
106th rd 
107th rd 
108th rd 
109th md 
110th rd 
111th rd 
112th rd 
113th rd 
114th rd 
115th rd 
116th rd
117th rd
118th rd 
119th rd 
120th rd
121th rd 
122th rd 
123th rd 
124th rd 
125th rd 
126th rd 
127th rd 
128th rd 
129th rd 
130th rd 
131th md  
132th rd
133th rd
134th rd 
135th rd 
136th rd 
137th rd
138th mrd  
139th rd 
140th rd 
141th rd 
142th rd 
143th rd 
144th rd 
145th rd 
146th rd
147th rd 
148th rd 
149th rd 
150th rd 
151th rd 
152th rd 
153th rd
154th rd
155th rd 
156th rd 
157th rd 
158th rd 
159th rd 
160th rd
161th rd 
162th rd 
163th md  
164th rd 
165th rd
166th rd
167th rd
168th rd 
169th rd 
170th rd
171th rd 
172th rd 
173th rd 
174th rd 
175th rd 
176th rd 
177th rd
178th rd 
179th rd 
180th rd
181th rd 
182th rd 
183th rd 
184th rd 
185th md 
186th rd
187th rd 
188th rd
189th rd 
190th rd 
191th rd 
192th mrd  
193th rd 
194th mrd 
195th rd 
196th Dnepropetrovsk rd 
197th Kiev rd 
198th md  
199th rd 
200th rd
202th md  
204th md  
205th md  
206th rd 
208th md  
209th md  
210th md 
212th md  
213th md 
214th rd 
215th md 
216th md  
217th rd 
218th md  
219th md 
220th md  
221th md  
222th rd 
224th rd 
227th rd 
228th rd 
229th rd 
232th rd 
233th rd
235th rd 
236th md  
237th rd
238th rd 
239th md 
240th md
--Mrg3105 (talk) 03:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rifle divisions formed in Gorki
117-я стрелковая Познанская дивизия; 
137-я стрелковая дивизия; 
145-я стрелковая Витебская дивизия; 
15-я гвардейская стрелковая Харьковско-Пражская дивизия; 
16-я Литовская стрелковая Клайпедская дивизия; 
171-я стрелковая Борисовская дивизия; 
238-я стрелковая Карачевская дивизия; 
274-я стрелковая дивизия; 
279-я стрелковая Лисичанская дивизия; 
322-я стрелковая Житомирская дивизия; 
334-я стрелковая Витебская дивизия; 
42-я гвардейская стрелковая Прилуцкая дивизия; 
43-я гвардейская стрелковая Латышская Рижская дивизия; 
85-я гвардейская стрелковая Рижская дивизия; 
89-я гвардейская стрелковая Белгородско-Харьковская дивизия; 
93-я Миргородская стрелковая дивизия; 
Бобруйская дивизия (I have yet to determine the number of this one-- mrg3105mrg3105   09:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1941 Rifle divisions (more info) 

message: 3th Bessarabskaya cd 
5th cd 
6th  Chongarskaya  cd 
8th Far-Eastern cd
9th Crimean cd 
14th cd 
32th cd 
36th cd
--Mrg3105 (talk) 14:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1941 Cavalry divisions 

message: Buckshot06, do you have a database of divisional histories? I don't have one, but there is of course a lot of information now online in Russian. Invariably I will come across these in my own research, so should I save these for you?--Mrg3105 (talk) 07:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Put all the resources you find at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Russian_and_Soviet_military_history_task_force#Resources,
where a few other resources are now collected. That's the central point for all that kind of material. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 07:28, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I think you mean insert links to sites there right? I mean there are pages and pages of histories. I'll save then at home and when you need them, I'll 'process ' them ok?--Mrg3105 (talk) 08:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: With tashv.nm are you working your way back from 1945?--Mrg3105 (talk) 08:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Insert links to the major sites when you feel like it. I have all I need at the moment, because my focus is actually the ~200 divisions of the Soviet Army Ground Forces that existed in '91, and the ~30 divisions that exist now in the Russian Ground Forces. Histories for those thirty are the first priority, and for that, tashv is adequate, provided its linked to a list of operations those divs took part in. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Learn something new every day is my moto ;o) I though all Poles went to the Polish Corps (later Army), but they even made Guards -- mrg3105mrg3105   11:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Divisional histories 

message: Just a note that there are a couple of small errors in the references I noticed, so I went through the lot. 
The reference 5 has a mis-spelled Russian word бьша. This is a result of scanning and should be была (was).
In reference 6 Craig's name is mis-spelled, should be Craig Crofoot.
I have also taken the liberty of translating the references and sources as it is a good idea to do so in the English Wikipedia. A note that one of the references uses Lensky rather then Lenskii you use elsewhere so I changed it to Lenskii.
All  Russian  source notes are via Lenskii.
1. ^ Scott and Scott, 1979, p.12
2. ^ David Glantz, Colossus  reborn: The Red Army at War 1941-43, University  press   Kansas, 2005, p.717  note 5.
3. ^ Thus, the 6th rifle division of the 6th Rifle Corps with the 4th army in the ZapOVO (Western Special Military District) begun World War II, having 13,7 thousand personnel (Simonov. 100 days  of war. Smolensk, “Rusich”, 1999, p.348 (document provided)) via Lenskii
4. ^ 43rd rifle division was formed in 1920s in Velikie Luki as the territorial formation of the Leningrad military district, in autumn 1937 it was relocated directly into Leningrad; 43rd rifle division was awarded  the Order of Red Banner for participation in the Soviet-Finnish war; on the combat history of the division see, for example: “Red Banner Volgaside". Military Publishing, 1984, pp.367-368
5. ^ Formation was created in 1934. in Kuybyshev as the 70th rifle division (it participated in the Soviet- Finnish war and was it was awarded with the Order of Lenin); during October 1942 was reorganised as the45th Guards rifle division ; on the combat history of the division see, for example, Soviet Military Encyclopaedia, v.4, pp.431-431.
6. ^ Michael Avanzini, Craig Crofoot, Armies of the bear, Tiger Lily Publications LLC, 2004, 
7. ^ S.N.Zhilin and others “Under the Guard banner ". Arkhangelsk/Vologda. 1980
8. ^ From 01.07.35 was 83rd Turkestan mountain rifle division; reorganised as 128th Guards mountain rifle division in autumn 1943)
9. ^ http://www.winterwar.com/forces/SuArmy/SUArmy-OOB30111939.htm#isthmus
10. ^ [Zamoskvorechye  district] 
11. ^ 161st  rifle division was formed in April - July  1942 on the territory of the Moscow Military District on the basis of the 13th separate rifle brigade, formed during the autumn 1941 in the South Caucasus Military District; on the combat history of the formation see, for example: M.K.Smolnyy “7,000 kilometers in battles and campaigns ". Military Publishing, 1982.)
12. ^ formation created in August - September 1941 in Stavropol' as the 343rd rifle division; reorganised into the 97th Guard rifle division in May 1942; on the combat history see, for example: “ World War II ". Soviet Encyclopaedia, 1985, p.573 or  I.A.Samchuk “Guards from Poltava ". Military Publishing, 1965)
13. ^ Poirier and Conner  show  the  21st  GRD as  being  formed  from  the  361st RD in  mar 1942
14. ^ Feskov et al, p.114
15. ^ Feskov et al, 2004, table 2.4, p.51/52
16. ^ At Belau (Znamensk-Zhamensk)
17. ^ formation of 93rd (12th Guards) rifle brigade, from which the 92nd guard rifle division was expanded during April 1943 was performed in September 1942 in the Urals (“Red Banner from Ural ". Military Publishing, 1983, p. 137,)
18. ^ Keith E. Bonn (ed.), Slaughterhouse: The handbook of the Eastern Front, Aberjona  press, Bedford, PA, 2005, p.376
19. ^ Red army  handbook, Chapter 3.
•	A. G. Lenskiii, Land forces of RKKA (Workers' and Peasants' Red Army) in pre-war years. Reference book. Saint Petersburg, B&K, 2000 
•	Robert G. Poirier and Albert Z. Conner, The Red Army Order of Battle in the Great  Patriotic War, Novato: Presidio  press, 1985. . 
•	Steven J. Zaloga and Leland S. Ness, Red Army handbook 1941 - 1945, Phoenix  mill: Sutton publishing, 1998. . 
•	Combat Composition of the Soviet Army 1941 - 1945 (official Soviet army Order of Battle from the Soviet General Staff  Archives). 
•	http://samsv.narod.ru/ 
•	Link from  the  223rd  rifle  division found  here 
--Mrg3105 (talk) 00:11, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources and references 

message: I'd like to suggest that this list be divided into Arms of Service lists, each with a structure that includes sections on Arm doctrine development, changes in structure, and links to prominent commanders.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 04:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Division of the list 

message: However in contrast to Wikipedia's reasonably complete descriptions of U.S., British, and German divisions, only a few Soviet divisions have articles here, mostly because the detailed histories have either not been translated from Russian or have not been fully released from the official archives. (See Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias).
Information on lots of division from lots of countries is not available, so will this become an apologetic template to be inserted at each such instance? How about one for every article that is missing such information....something like "Wikipedia apologises, but no books have been published on the subject that agree with our stringent requirements"?
This entire paragraph adds nothing to the reader's information on the subject!--121.218.225.141 (talk) 14:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you sign in Mrg3105 (or as User:Shattered Wikiglass if you like)? It would add a little to your argument to be, in your earlier words, not an 'anon IP.' Buckshot06(prof) 15:55, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a problem with responding to an IP address? Wikipedia is written collaboratively by volunteers from all around the World. Anyone with internet access can make changes to Wikipedia articles.--121.218.225.141 (talk) 00:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I have no problems responding to anon IPs. Do you want me to dredge up your problems responding to them? Buckshot06(prof) 05:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia's problems are not of encyclopedic interest! 

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