Talk:Project 86

message: LET THEM PUT THIS PAGE IN SPANISH SINCE LATIN MUCHES WANT TO TASTE ON THIS BAND Y THEY CAN NOT BE ABLE TO PLEASE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.43.56.177 (talk) 00:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be. Why not? IronCrow 00:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arena Football 

message: I created an article for the new album Rival Factions. It still needs some work I think, like renaming it to Rival Factions instead of Rival Factions (album), and redirecting issues such as Rival Factions linking to that article instead of to the Project 86 page. If you feel like helping out, go ahead!
-Ahem- the point of this ... The proseline can probably be deleted, because I've put most of the information regarding the new record, Alex Albert leaving the band etc. in the Rival Factions article. What do you guys think?
Never mind, I deleted the proseline myself.
-SKA-ed for Life 18:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rival Factions Article

message: I think it's safe to say they are. If you have ever listened to Christianrock.net, then you will hear dedicated Christian band members "welcoming" you. Among them is Andrew of Project 86. I think a little common sense applied here should clear that up. Not only that but many songs have Christian lyrics, in not direct, and they are on a label known for taking in Christian bands. IronCrow 00:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Band 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Project86300.jpg

message: Why were all of the "former band members" (besides Alex Albert) removed from this page?  I understand removing Jason Gerkin (as he was never REALLY a member), but Corey Edelman and Ethan Luck should probably remain.
Information should not be removed from wikipedia without a valid explanation being given.  Reverting until further notice.
The only true former member of P86 is Alex Albert. No one else was involved in the business partnership of Project 86 nore anyone else listed as a writer any of the bands catalog of songs. All other players have been temporary and never actually a part of the group. July 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwabette77 (talk • contribs) 03:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former Members? 

message: Comment: I moved this to a new section because the previous section had not been updated for half a year. -- Noj r (talk) 04:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Okay, gunna retype this. Andrew S. has the goal in mind to make the band take an approach that is not evangelical. Not all Christian bands are evanagelical in effect, and prefer to remain Christian in message and action, but tend to not care if one labels their music as such. As he stated, he does not wish to give an answer and would rather let his actions speak for him. P86 has been going to secular venues for this particular reason: allowing people who would not be particularly interested in their message to have a chance to hear what they have to say. With that, we're pretty much forced to use the sources. Also, don't forget that they are joining up with Scream The Prayer for a new tour, which if you know, is a Christian festival that plays exclusively Christian music, unlike Cornerstone (which plays a mix). 98.198.83.12 (talk) 04:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *The members of P86 are Christians but they do not want their band labeled as a Christian band because of the stigma attached and the often polarizing effect this has on people who do not share their belief system. It goes back to the old adage of a Christian plumber or a Christian car salesman..no one needs that definition in their occupations to be who they are. Their music will speak for itself and so will the guys. The Scream the Prayer tour is playing in clubs and churches across the country and has guys that are Christians and guys that are not involved. Andrew S has not stated that he wants he band to be labeled in any way in the last 9 years and all of the old sourcing is not current or relevant to how the band feels today.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwabette77 (talk • contribs) 03:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Andrew Schwab: All I can say is this: We have never wanted to use God to market our band. And we have always tried to present God in a creative way, so as to not alienate anyone who does not subscribe to our belief system. We have definitely never wanted to appeal solely to the Christian market.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwabette77 (talk • contribs) 23:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *If the information in the article is cited to a reliable source and is relevant, it should stay. It really doesn't matter what Schwab says or you think; ideally, Wikipedia should be unbiased and fair in its coverage. Bill Clinton probably doesn't like seeing the controversy section in his wikipedia page, but there it is. I will agree that a whole section dedicated to their beliefs is going too far and the information is outdated. I am working hard on this article privately on my user page so people can learn about them in an unbiased, comprehensive, and respectable way. -- Noj r (talk) 04:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *It seems to me that it would matter what Schwab says since the basis of calling them a Christian band revolves around quotes coming directly from him. This is not a corporation or some public entity its 3 people who make music. The lyrics are written by Schwab which again goes back to it mattering what he says in this whole debate. Bands like Thousand Foot Krutch, Emery and Anberlin are not listed as Christian although they are also played on Christian radio stations and claim personal belief in God. What makes Project 86 any different? The Christian title is sourced using reviews by Christian outlets..so should we post reviews from all of the other non-Christian outlets and the Evangel Society to prove that they shouldn't be labeled as Christian. Or will that be undone, reversed and blocked by the fans who have some sort of agenda on this artist's page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.91.196 (talk) 01:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *A real Christian band espouses lyrics that explicitly mention Jesus, salvation, etc. While Schwab's lyrics may delve into spiritual matters, they have never been explicitly Christian. So by definition, Project 86 is not a Christian band. It comes down to this, we verify claims made on Wikipedia with reliable sources. If a reliable source says something important, we are obligated to include it in the article and cite the reference. We then make sure zealots do not undo these edits. Its all pretty simple. -- Noj r (talk) 05:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not this again... 

message: Noj_R, I see that you've starting working on the references as per my GA review.  I thought that I'd demonstrate what I mean here, for clarity's sake.  There are two ways to handle the references in a well-written, well-researched article.
Option #1:
Project 86 was formed in June 1996 by vocalist Andrew Schwab and drummer Alex Albert in Orange County, California.
As you can see, this webpage has the "all pages" option.  I highly suggest that you post that URL; not only is it just easier, you don't have to separate it into "p. 1" and "p. 2".  Then when you refer to this source in the future, all you have to do is write the  code.  Also notice that when it's done this way, you don't have to include it in the "References" section because it automatically goes in "Notes".  Personally, this is my favorite way to handle references.  I think it's easier, for both the editor and the reader.  Also, I tend to use the Author name, p. # when citing a book or a journal.
Option #2:
Project 86 was formed in June 1996 by vocalist Andrew Schwab and drummer Alex Albert in Orange County, California.
This method retains what you're trying to do, I think.  Notice that the entry is highlighted in the "Notes" section, allowing the reader to click on the reference instead of having to scroll up and down.  This is exactly the same method used in The Beatles, so it may be a better choice for this musical band article.  It's up to you which method you want to use, but make sure it's  consistent all the way through. --Christine (talk) 21:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *I was indeed emulating the style used in the Beatles. I will address the smaller issues shortly. Thank you for your patience. -- Noj r (talk) 01:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I see that.  I think that this is a good way to set up the references/notes sections for articles about bands.  Now I will go through and make sure the rest of the review has been satisfied before I pass it. --Christine (talk) 12:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The band's early albuns, Project 86 and Drawing Black Lines were nu metal, and here is a support to their first album. (ReisPacheco (talk) 05:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu metal 

message: A discussion between two people does not really constitute consensus about a controversial edit which makes a significant claim. Have you got any sources to cite which explicitly name this a “Christian rock” genre band?   Wiki-Coffee Talk  07:33, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a discussion above. Isn't that enough? Would you prefer additional references or a different term? Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:57, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Consensus" on Christian rock band 

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message: Hey, so it would seem, like the normal Project 86 cycle, the band got new members. There was no announcement, but it would seem that Mike "Norman" Williams is back in the band and Abishai Collingsworth appears to have joined. They also seem to have added on Bassist :Josh Hagquist, formerly of Dogwood and :The Beautiful Mistake. Thoughts on this? Let me know before I add them. Metalworker14 (Yo) 12 December 2017, 2:16 (UTC)
: 1) Pretty much all primary sources.
: 2) Not one clearly indicates the things you claim.
:: norm_chomskyAnd here's a picture of me getting sunburnt. #spf1000 #project86 #p86 #uprisefest doesn't state that is back in the band.
:: abishai_jFlying out on Wednesday to play a festival with these boys again. Anybody gonna be hanging at Soulfest? One show means a musician is in the band?
:: j_hagquistFun shot from somewhere in Europe. With all due respect to American music fans...European music fans are quite a bit more enthusiastic. I said "with all due respect"... #project86 #daaden #musicwithfriends #shakeandbake #thatjusthappened #aykeknows #glguitars #asatdeluxe @arnesteinar @aschwab86 @reinblom @theproject86 @glguitars Where exactly does it say anything about Hagquist joining or even performing with the band.
:: In short nothing is supported. You're reading between the lines of the second one and in the case of the other two, offering wishful thinking. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: 3) You still insist on capitalizing the instruments ("bassist", not "Bassist"). I've had to fix multiple, multiple articles where you've done this. Read :MOS:CAPS. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Members