Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive Suikoden

message: The first thing that is clearly evident from these pages is that there are way too many of them. It almost breaks my heart to say it because I love Suikoden so much, but all of these characters do not need (and should not have) pages. Even the pages that are more encyclopedic than others contain a great deal of unsourced, in-universe information that wouldn't be appropriate for an encyclopedia. Unfortunately, it seems that a great deal of the information provided here on Wikipedia would be better directed to a Suikoden wiki, where the point is to gather as much information about Suikoden as possible - which is not the point here (per WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE). Information about the Suikoden characters is good, because they are such a focal point of the games - 108 characters per game definitely supports that; however, I think the pages for characters should be confined to Lists of Characters and  should be in the format of Characters of Final Fantasy VIII, featuring things like:
*Cast Creation/Influences
*Central Characters
:Suikoden 1: Tir, Gremio, Teo, Barbarossa ...
:Suikoden 2: Riou, Jowy, Nanami, Luca Blight ...
:Suikoden 3: Geddoe, Hugo, Chris, Luc ...
:Suikoden 4: Lazlo, Snowe, Lino, Graham Cray
:Suikoden 5: Prince, Lyon, Georg, Gizel, 
:Suikoden Tactics: Kyril, Andarc, Seneca, Yohn
:The Suikogaiden characters draw almost exclusively from characters who already exist and, thus, would not be hugely necessary IMO
*Other Major Characters
:Suikoden 1: Cleo, Pahn, Viktor, Flik, Odessa, Mathiu ...
:Suikoden 2: Viktor, Flik, Shu, Apple ...
:Suikoden 3: Thomas, Flame Champion, Destroyers ...
:Suikoden 4: Elenor, Ted, Kika, Brandeau ...
:Suikoden 5: Sialeeds, Lymsleia, Lucretia, Marscal ...
:Suikoden Tactics: ...
:The Suikogaiden characters draw almost exclusively from characters who already exist and, thus, would not be hugely necessary IMO
*Cultural Impact
The important thing to keep in mind here is, despite a deep love for all things Suikoden and a deep interest in all the information here, this should be less about providing a biography of the characters as it should be about their significance: to the series, to the genre, etc.
This is not going to be easy, and I think a lot of people are going to be upset because I am proposing to delete a lot of information that they have gathered over a long period of time. But I think it is clear that it is a bit more, if not completely, encyclopedic (and the preferred style of Wikipedia) to have articles more like List of Suikoden IV characters, List of Suikoden V characters than Flik, Viktor, and so on. (Moved this here to make the main page more coherent, and put it at the top because it came before all the discussion.) bwowen talk•contribs 03:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If these articles have a "Creation and influence" and "Cultural impact" sections, then they shouldn't be called "List of ... characters" but simply "Characters of ...". Kariteh 07:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A Man, A Plan, a Project: Suikoden

message: Hey, I just joined this project team. Presumably the characters who already have a lot of information in their article will stay seperate from the "list of characters in..." lists, I think?. I'm gonna go ahead and remove the list of weapons and statistics from these articles anyway as it's greatly effecting their quality, I believe. Mark272 00:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Character articles

message: Suppose this might be of some interest- I've proposed this cat for automated upmerging at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007 July 15#Category:108_Stars_of_Destiny, though I'd be completely shocked if anyone bothered opposing it, as it's pretty non-controversial. SnowFire 06:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  108 Stars of Destiny CFD. 

message: I removed Suikoden VI from the list of articles that fall under the scope of the Taskforce. It doesn't have an article, and that's primarily because it hasn't been announced yet. The only ghits it has are speculation on forums. bwowen talk•contribs•review me please! 04:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suikoden VI 

message: I recently noticed that the 27 True Runes page was deleted, apparently since too much of it was copied and pasted from suikosource.  Any suggestions on what should be done?  The page on Harmonia has also been deleted, though I'm guessing if anyone can re-find the information, it could be integrated in the Geography in the Suikoden series page.  - EikaKou 12:02, 24 June 2008
: Relevant information on Harmonia has been salvaged and integrated into the Geography in the Suikoden series page.  Existing links with Harmonia (Suikoden) have been replaced with Geography in the Suikoden series#Harmonia instead.  There is still the issue of the red links for 27 True Runes.  142.58.82.42 (talk) 00:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 27 True Runes and Harmonia