Talk:Moldova/Archive 6

message: That's almost funny, alomost 100 pages of sockpuppets 
*:Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Bonaparte
*:Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Bonaparte
:-- AdrianTM 03:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. That's why he ain't comin' back. :-) Khoikhoi 03:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish there were other people with that much desire to edit Wikipedia -- AdrianTM 04:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you mean edit in a positive, constructive way with respect towards differing opinions, then I can only agree. Otherwise, we also have that X on Wheels guy, Rovoam etc ad nauseam... --Illythr 14:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  (please enable irony detector ;-) -- AdrianTM 15:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's fully functional. It's the emitter part, that is a bit out of phase... ;-) --Illythr 19:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Eventually, those sockpuppets will be read as the greatest novel ever written. Dahn 06:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can add User:Eliade. Nevermind.   /FunkyFly.talk_  06:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Adrian has likely meant ~100 user pages...--Illythr 14:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Behavior patterns. Bonaparte, for example, always does the same things. Over and over and over... --Illythr 14:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guees there might be some errors in the process, but hey, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck... -- AdrianTM 15:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sometimes done using CheckUser – for 24-48 hours after a logged-in user edits a page, a subset of admins can check the IP they used. Compare that against the not-logged-in edits, and  you get compelling evidence. You can go further by investigating whether those are fixed IPs, or how many ISP users share them, for example, and where they physically are, and draw your conclusions. Anyway, as for "can I do it" – probably not, but you can request help in serious cases, and the appropriate admins may help you (if they feel like it...) – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 15:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: He has at least one devoted fan. Maybe it is time for him to start a fanclub... Alex Bakharev had to lock the page, due to the actions of this overly enthusiastic Bonaparte-follower. - Mauco 06:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Heh, well, I guess Bonaparte really does go the extra mile without being asked... :-) --Illythr 10:23, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bonaparte had greatly contributed to Wikipedia. He has a significant edit history. What is the story, why he was banned? EvilAlex 12:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably he had enemies in high places.--Tekleni 13:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well... Khoikhoi 18:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: May I ask if this is the talk page of the article "Moldova" or the talk page of the article "Bonaparte"? Probabily we should create an article in Wikipedia about Bonaparte, in the category "Famous Wikipedians" and, of course, a disambiguisation page, to avoid confusion with the less known Corsican Bonaparte.--MariusM 23:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather deny that. ;-) Khoikhoi 01:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wow!!!

message: Basescu Plan: Actions supporting unification with Romania held in Chisinau
Read it in Russian
On October 29, Moldovan citizens gathered in Chisinau to support the initiative by Romania’s President Traian Basescu, according to which the Republic of Moldova would join the European Union on January 1, 2007 together with Romania. As a REGNUM correspondent reports, the action was initiated by Moldova’s Unionist Movement. According to the organizers, the action is aimed at showing that Romanians of the Republic of Moldova support the initiative by the Romanian president. Participants of the action spoke against “refusal of Moldova’s President Vladimir Voronin to adopt the proposal by the Romanian president to unify the two Romanian countries and joint entering the European Union.”
The action started with singing “Awaken Thee, Romanian!” anthem. Overall, about 1,000 people participated in the action. The initiators threatened that if Moldovan authorities would not lend an ear to their voices, on December 3, 2006, a more scaled action will be staged, after which claims for resignation of the parliament, the government and President Voronin will continue non-stop.
As REGNUM informed earlier, on July 1, at an official palace Kotrochen, Romanian president proposed to Moldavia reunification of the two countries in the framework of the EU. “Romania has proposed to Republic of Moldova, the head of Moldavian state, an option to join the EU together with us. However, the decision is to be taken by the Chisinau authorities and the people of the Republic of Moldova,” President Traian Basescu said. “Romania still remains divided in two countries; however, the Romanian-Moldavian unification will take place within the European Union and in no other way.” Also, the head of Romanian state stressed that Romania is “the only country, the only people, which remained divided after reunification of Germany.” 
http://www.regnum.ru/english/730646.html 
: Which would be news to the Koreans and Cypriots. - Jmabel | Talk 22:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jmabel is right since the Korean people are divided into North and South, and the Greek people still remain divided in two countries (Greece and Cyprus), also the Chinese are divided with Taiwan. There seem to be some similarities with Cyprus and Moldova, since both are/were prevented to unite with their mother countries, because of their respective minorities (Turks and Russians).--Waterfall999 12:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Not to mention Gondwanaland, which has been divided even longer, but what is your point? I don't think anyone—even at the height of the British Empire—considered the British Isles a single nation. It was "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland", not exactly a name suggestive of a single nation state. - Jmabel | Talk 06:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Basescu]]'s plan to unite Moldova with Romania

message: Would it be relevant to include the following in the article - 
: "According to an analysis in RiskMap 2007, Moldova presents an extremely high security risk as well as a high political risk, and does not provide a stable environment for companies to operate in."
...or does anyone object to it? If so, why? - Mauco 23:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree - You have a wrong link check it out:  Moldova is not included in Countries list with areas at EXTREME security risk:[* indicates entire country rated at extreme]:Afghanistan; Burundi; Congo (DRC); Côte d’Ivoire; Iraq; Pakistan; Somalia; Sri Lanka EvilAlex 23:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have you read the report? I have read the following source here which supports the statement that Moldova has an extremely high security risk and a high political risk. In this case, when two sources conflict, the thing to do is to refer to the original report which is written by http://www.control-risks.com/ - Mauco 23:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So you saying to me that you read the report - then you should have a copy of it? Yes? Can you share it with us? upload it to rapidshare and give as a link. So we can read it and you will prove you point. EvilAlex 00:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please read what I said. You have a link, I have another one. They conflict. In cases like that, the thing to do is to consult the actual report. You may do that, or if not, I will do so, and any other editor can of course also request it and find out which of these two links is the correct one. This is basic fact-running and reference checking. I do it all the time. There is no need to get into a big fit and become all polemic over it. - Mauco 00:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Re:"You have a link, I have another one. " LOL You didn read it :)) EvilAlex 00:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: William, don't you think you could prove your point by actually referencing the report and establishing its relevancy compared to other sources? You're doing precisely what you claim Alex is doing. Dahn 00:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, strike that. You have again provided a misleading information: I have just looked through the report myself, and it says MEDIUM. Look it up. This is basic fact-running and reference checking. I do it all the time. Dahn 00:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at 2005 the report on  and it states that the security/political risk is Moldova: M; H in Transdniestr/M; H in Transdniestr. So it was medium in both categories for Moldova but high in both respects in the Transnistrian part. Now as seen here, the political risk is still medium, but the security risk is high (although the page doesn't have an asterisk suggesting that the problem is mostly in some regions that are not labeled individually as in '05). TSO1D 14:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know Muuco from the Transnistrian page, he is Russian, I think.  Moldova is safe just like Transnistria is safe and even a little more.  Please Mauco do not say we are unsafe, It is not true, I will also say Transnistria is safe , I go there with my jfathers job. Esgert 20:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Esgert, thanks for letting us know. However, I am not Russian and I try not to say rude things about any place, be it Moldova or Transnistria. To get back to this issue, however: As TSO1D determined, it seems that the correct rating for Moldova is actually medium for political risk and high for security risk. So the proposed sentence would be: "According to an analysis in RiskMap 2007, Moldova presents a high security risk  and does not provide a stable environment for companies to operate in." (I do not think that a medium political risk even merits a mention. Nothing to be worried about). - Mauco 22:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The security risk is high although the page doesn't have an asterisk suggesting that the problem is mostly in some regions(Transnistrian region?!). Then we should place this warning on Transnistrian talk page :) EvilAlex 14:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  The situation is that as long as Moldova declares Transnistria to be a region within its borders , and there has to be a travel warning highlighted on the Transnistrian page, it follows that the same warning must also be posted on the Moldovan page I don't agree with this but can accept it as a fair point. Travel warnings are not  appropriate in areas where conflicts are over or are not in immeadiate danger of igniting. I propose the the travel warnings be erased from both the Transnistrian and Moldovan page or a second option included on both pages. Truli 12:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  No need for travel warnings, just use the violent incidents in Transnistrian region of Moldova and let people decide for themselves, I have made this adjustment,hope it keeps all peoples happy, But warnings are not on Truli 12:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Moldovan editors are insistant on the travel warnings on the Transnistria page and given that Transnistria is part of Moldova it is essential legally that the warning be also on the main Moldovan page, I am however opposed to these types of warnings but we have to have uniformity on wiki, Truli 14:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extreme security risk, high political risk

message: In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Eastern Europe at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Eastern Europe whose scope would include Moldova. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed WikiProject 

message: ===Smuggling=== 	 
Transnistria has a reputation of being a haven for smuggling weapons, women, as well and as smuggling various products into the Republic of Moldova or to eastern states through the Ukrainian border. This view is supported by the Moldovan government, the EU and various NGOs. In 2002, the European Parliament's delegation to Moldova named Transnistria "a black hole in which illegal trade in arms, the trafficking in human beings and the laundering of criminal finance was carried on".European Parliament, "Chairman's Report—Ad Hoc Delegation to Moldova", 5–6 June 2002  In 2005, The Wall Street Journal called Transnistria "a major haven for smuggling weapons and women".The Wall Street Journal, "Moldova's Ruling Communists Are Leading a Swing to the West, Marc Champion in London and Alan Cullison in Moscow. March 4 2005. pg. A.13 However, OSCE and European Union diplomats cited by Radio Free Europe called the smuggling claims "wildly exaggerated".RFE/RL: Western Diplomats Say Reports Of Smuggling From Transdniester Likely Exaggerated 	 
			
The Transnistrian government also denies any such allegations and has instead claimed that the Moldovan police is involved in drug smuggling. In May 2006 a Moldovan police officer was arrested in Transnistria for his role in a drug operation.PMR Customs: Channel of narcotics delivery from Moldova is revealedWestern officials: No drug smuggling in Pridnestrovie 	 
	 
The government of Ukraine, which had long been seen as assisting in this illegal trade, has recently taken steps to prevent smuggling along its border by opening new customs posts and by stipulating that the goods passing from Transnistria through Ukraine must first obtain clearance from Moldovan authorities.Vladimir Socor: Kyiv decides to enforce customs regulations with Moldova 	 
	 
===Weapons trade === 	 
Analysts and media outlets have expressed concern regarding potential threats posed by Transnistria's large deposits of weapons, and the potential of their unauthorized sale. Nevertheless, this view has been challanged in/from what year (so that one can see from what year things started to change) by other experts and organizations, as well as by the government of the PMR. Oxford scholar Mark Almond stated that accusations of state-sponsored weapons smuggling in the PMR appear to be groundless and politically motivated, rather than based on any verified facts.Mark Almond: Kafka and the Arms Smugglers Foreign experts working on behalf of the United Nations say that the historically low levels of transparency, and the continued denial of full investigation to international monitors has reinforced negative perceptions of the Transnistrian regime,UNDP: 2006 Small arms and light weapons survey of Moldova page number - viii, 143 although recent good levels of cooperation on the part of Transnitrian authorities in some areas may reflect a shift in the attitude of PMR.UNDP: 2006 Small arms and light weapons survey of Moldova 	 
	 
A 2004 newspaper article claimed that a cache of surface-to-air missile launchers as well as other weapons may have disappeared from a former Soviet stockpile and that officials were at the time unable to account for their whereabouts. The OSCE and European Union officials state that there is no evidence that Transnistria has ever, at any time in the past, trafficked arms or nuclear material, although they pointed out that a lack of evidence does not mean that dangerous activities are not taking place. Lawlessness in Transdniester alone constitutes a threat to stability.RFE/RL: Western Diplomats Say Reports Of Smuggling From Transdniester Likely Exaggerated 	 
The latest research published by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) states that Transnistria is highly militarised, noting that the number of illicit weapons in the region is unknown.UNDP: 2006 Small arms and light weapons survey of Moldova The United Nations says that the evidence for the illicit production and trafficking of weapons into and from Transnistria has in the past been exaggerated, and affirms that although there is a likelihood that trafficking of light weapons could have occurred before 2001, there is no reliable evidence that this still occurs. It also states that the same holds true for the production of such weapons, which is likely to have been carried out in the 1990s primarily to equip the local forces but which are no longer produced. These findings echo previous declarations by Transnistria that it is not involved in the manufacture or export of weapons.PMR doesn't make weapons, experts admit 	 
	 
===Violent incidents=== 	 
Over the past few years, there have been isolated violent incidents in Transnistria. Two of these incidents have been described as a terrorism by Transnistrian government officials including head of Transnistrian MGB Vladimir AntyufeyevOfficial Transnistrian agency Olvia Pres articleOfficial Transnistrian agency Olvia Pres article but motives behind the incidents are still unclear Travel Advice to Moldova British Embassy, Chisinau; As of December 4 2006  	 
*14-15 April 2001 the Synagogue of Tiraspol suffered a pipe bomb attack. The building was damaged, but the guard was not hurt. 	 
*13-30 March 2004 over 70 tombstones in the Jewish cemetery of Tiraspol were vandalizedLocal community leaders said the authorities refused to help clean up the anti-Semitic graffiti painted over the tombstones 	 
* in May 2004, there was an attempt by a Russian neo-Nazi organization to set on fire a synagogue in Tiraspol, using a Molotov Cocktail and a flammable liquid near a gas pipe.The attack failed when passers-by extinguished the fire. 	 
* in July 2006, a bomb killed eight in a Tiraspol minibus.Trans-Dniester blast kills eight BBC 	 
* in August 2006, a grenade explosion in a Tiraspol trolleybus killed two and injured ten.Grenade exploded in Tiraspol trolley bus
=== Travel warnings ===
::U.S.A Embassy reaction:   
::Australian Government Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade:
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Check this out: Crime in Moldova. I think that it would be unfair to give Transnistria so much notice in an article that is about Moldova in general. I believe that a small subsection describing the current situation with the region should be created, perhaps in the "Politics" section. --Illythr 17:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. Dahn 18:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Crime

message: ::U.S.A Embassy reaction:   
::Australian Government Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade:
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Check this out: Crime in Moldova. I think that it would be unfair to give Transnistria so much notice in an article that is about Moldova in general. I believe that a small subsection describing the current situation with the region should be created, perhaps in the "Politics" section. --Illythr 17:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. Dahn 18:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Travel warnings 

message: This article needs a lot of work to be in accordance with a minimal standard.--Diana Teodorescu 14:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot agree more. Not a single section conforms to Wikipedia guidelines and the quality of the text is ... let's just say not of the highest caliber. TSO1D 14:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ugly article

message: The page is included into the :category:La Francophonie. I didn't find anything in wikipedia but membership info. Please update the Francophonie article about Moldova and possibly write an article about Francophone culture or heritage of Moldova. `'mikka 16:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points. After some trouble, I found one link clearly indicating that the country is part of the Haut Conseil de la Francophonie, at the Universite Laval . Does anyone have more? Dahn 19:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Francophonie