Talk:The Hollow Men

message: From the article.. "Dancing "round the prickly pear," the figures worship false gods, recalling children and reflecting Eliot's interpretation of Western culture after World War I."
I'm new to poetry, let alone scholar's interpretation of what might have gone through the head of the poet, and I understand scholars of poetry dig deep into the mind of such, could you at least link to an article or provide a better explanation?  Are you saying that "dancing around the prickly pear" is analogous to walking around the Kaba?  Help me (and other readers) out here.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.68.95.79 (talk) 23:15, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Needed 

message: I'm fairly sure one does not include large poems in Wikipedia. I think it would fall under WP:NOT#REPOSITORY 71.125.115.48 23:35, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was published in 1925, as such the copyright should be up within the United States.  However I agree this is better suited for Wikisource --T-rex 19:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We are both wrong T-rex.  Rest assurred that Eliot and/or his estate has not let the copyright on any of his poems expire.  Thus, according to http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm, the poem is, in the U.S., protected for 95 years from the end of the year of publication.  That means that it is in the public domain in the U.S. beginning in 2021. WikiParker 23:07, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of the poem

message: The general "influence in culture" section sounds weak, I've been trimming it.
Specific questions: this article claims The Great Gatsby is based on the poem, but that article makes absolutely no mention of this, which is an odd omission if it was that significant to the writing of the novel. On the Beach (novel) is said to take its name from the poem, but that articles makes no mention of this. V for Vendetta is said to reference it, but it is not explained how, and that article also makes no mention of this. --Abu-Fool Danyal ibn Amir al-Makhiri 18:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Works of literature 

message: Added the section on Eliot's career--mostly from the intro to a grad. seminar paper I wrote--and edited the 'Description,' now an 'Overview' (since the quick--and in many ways inadequate--sketch of the poem's important moments does not quite amount to a full description). Also, expanded the opening paragraph, added some references, and compressed the cultural refs. Removed the flags (it felt justified after the clean-up) but the 'Overview' still needs work: the failed vow ('For thine is...') in particular. --ful cleane (talk) 07:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits and additions, November 23 2007 

message: Been watching this page and thinking about this since making major additions last year and it seems that the cultural impact section (a glorified, if slightly more critically useful, trivia section) is far too long to sit comfortably in this article as it is at the moment. 
I cannot think of another article where criticism, evaluation, and anecdotal bits hang together as awkwardly as this, and the length and variety of cultural references demonstrate that a culling or trimming of them would be a loss of information -- and not a substantially useful one. 
I propose that we create a new page for the cultural references, or remove the vast majority of them. I'll probably go ahead and do this in a couple of days unless there's some good reasons to the contrary.
What do you think?
--ful cleane (talk) 02:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No response so I'm going ahead with the page split. Only reasonable alternative would be removing most of the cultural anecdotes, which would be a loss of information for wp. --ful cleane (talk) 07:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Not worthy of article. WikiParker (talk) 01:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural Influence 

message: In my opinion the form of the title of the poem should be that it is given inside double quotes and not italized at all, i.e. "The Hollow Men."  Some of Eliot's poems were originally published as books with a single poem in them.  They would get the italized form, e.g. The Waste Land.  Please see the Punctuation section for the T.S. Eliot talk page for more. WikiParker (talk) 13:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine by me! --ful cleane (talk) 08:38, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Form for the poem's title 

message: How many lines long is the poem? 50? 5000? Kaldari (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it might be 98 lines. Kaldari (talk) 00:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many lines? 

message: Following an AFD I have merged back in some text. See Talk:The Hollow Men in popular culture#Possible selective merger. Thincat (talk) 10:06, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging back in text from The Hollow Men in popular culture 

message: "The final stanza may be the most quoted of all of Eliot's poetry." MinorProphet (talk) 04:16, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really? 

message: Hello! I will be providing heavy focus on the article for the next two weeks. I believe this article is fattened up with ideas and allusions that seem to be personal literary analysis without proper citations instead of an unbiased article. I am open to discussing different aspects of the article and how they can be improved.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merewhtie (talk • contribs) 04:00, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planned Edits 

message: Looking at the second section in the article, it appears to be opinionated to me instead of providing a factual statement. In the pome itself, the isn't really one character we see the world through. The hollow men are in a position explained to us, but they don't go through an actual journey of any kind. Is it really necessary to keep such a section?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merewhtie (talk • contribs) 15:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Journey of the Character" Section Questions 

message: I've moved quiet a few sentences around in the Theme and Context subsection. Many of them didn't have citations, so I also added to them that way in accordance to the flag wikipedia threw on this article. I am slightly confused on how to approach the reference section. I thought there was going to be a split between how the Hollow Men influenced pop culture instead of cluttering this article with that trivia section?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merewhtie (talk • contribs) 17:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Edits 

message: I do believe 'The Hollow Men' is in the public domain now. Should it be added to this article? Sherlocke (talk) 17:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @JoyD Smiths PTMr8: It's usually not appropriate to add the entirety of works to Wikipedia articles, but it can be added on Wikisource at s:The Hollow Men if you can verify that its copyright has elapsed. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Poem?