Talk:Fall Out Boy/Archive 1

message: *Edits Needed
Tour History
Release date for the Vinyl
Clarification on who joined the band third, Stump or Hurley
Consistent capitalization and punctuation for titles (making sure they are all the same in terms of what is capitalized in titles, and uniformity in quotation marks
Pictures for the albums and a picture of the band if you can find a place to get them with permission
Producer/recorder for each album — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdegfcunbbfv (talk • contribs) 21:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit Information

message: That needs to be only a listing of albums, singles, etc.. (in keeping with the other wiki band pages) and the indivual info of each work needs to be a separate article.--Esprit15d 16:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography

message: Patrick has changed his last name from Stumph to Stump. Please stop changing his last name to Stumph. Spuddy 17 01:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Patrick's last name

message: From an with Matt Groening, creator of The Simpsons:
Crave Online: What do you think of the band Fall Out Boy?
Matt Groening: What an honor. Fall Out Boy the rock band named itself after the sidekick of Radioactive Man played by Millhouse. I hope they don't have too many regrets. 
Davecort 08:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confirmation that the band's name is from The Simpsons

message: I am mistaken. There is no vandalism on this page, and Fallout boy is 100% garbage. I am pretty sure the line "Petey and Patrick get it on!!!!!!" has not replaced any useful info.
Pilo1000 10:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Still has some vandalism

message: People need to learn what emo really is. It's not fringes, tight jeans and suicide.
It's not Fall Out Boy, it's not Panic! At The Disco, it's not even My Chemical Romance.
It's Rites Of Spring. It's Moss Icon. It's Saves The Day. It's Jawbreaker.
It can't be applied to a person, a person is not a genre.
I hope one day people understand this, especially stupid fucking magazines.
Love, Valkyrie Missile
I agree - I think emo should be removed as a term to describe Fall Out Boy. This problem of labeling non-emo bands as emo stems from the fact that the emo (slang) article has not been written effectively. The actual Emo article is quite inciteful as to what emo is.
Coldcroc 21:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: It's time to clean up emo

message: Fall Out Boy don't classify themselves as Emo. That's end of story. When people start classing each other it gets nowhere. They acknowledge incorporating themes of emo, this is from their site:
:"One of the best ways to understand what Fall Out Boy are is to realize what they are not. Their music contains elements of punk and pop, but they aren’t pop-punk. Likewise, their songs are emotional and their lyrics can be poignant, but they’re certainly not emo. By tapping into elements of their favorite styles, the bandmembers are able to attain their own sound whilst standing apart from the pack."
Fall Out Boy don't sing about death and drugs and being dumped like The Used or My Chemical Romance, therefore they're not Emo. Yes songs like XO can sound emo because of the way they're sung. But that doesn't make the band emo. I'm removing the categorisation because they aren't pop enough for pop-punk (See Motion City Soundtrack) and they aren't Emo. They're probably not quite Rock or at least not in the strict sense I'm classifying them pop-rock. You want to debate it, that's fine, but they're not pop-punk or emo.
I think this discussion needs cleaning up - a lot of it's just questions. 
And for name... apparently they played a few gigs without any real name and they asked the crowd for a name and someone up the back yelled "Fall Out Boy!", they figure it was from Fallout Boy from the Simpsons, but they dont know that for a fact. I've never heard that they werent aware of Fallout Boy... someone please verify?
:except for Pete who said in an interveiw with aol that he considered their music emo. Duh!
::You don't know anything about emo. And you don't know anything about pop. Don't touch this article, I think you're a fangirl.
:That tag is offensive. First step with Wikipedia is to reach a consenus. I've given valid reasons, you've given nothing but vague accusations and an insult. Give me a solid reason for the tag you've given them.
ok- the music isnt emo, but the lyrics can be verrrrrrrry emo. when you listen to a CD, do you listen to the song, or the words?68.196.38.169 21:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup, Name and Emo 

message: Uprising Records released "Fall Out Boy's Evening Out With Your Girl" on February 23, 2003 as an EP. Uprising then released a repressed version of the album on May 17, 2005 entitled "Evening Out With Your Girlfriend." The tracks were remastered, however the EP title still remains.
:Here is one souce verifying the EP status of the albums: Artistopia
Im not going to be a douche but it's not an EP. an EP has between 4-7 songs on it, at 8 songs an album traditionally becomes an LP.  the reasoning for this is in the vinyl format(where LP and EP come from)an ep (7") cannot hold as much music. at 30 minutes the thing is an LP. check your facts before following what one site says. by the standards set in this article any album released before the late 80's(the advent of cd's) is an ep, including such titles as the Damaged(Black Flag) and Ramones (ramones) just to name a few. im changing it back to the album listing because it falls in the same running tim as an LP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.179.227.58 (talk • contribs) 
::I agree, nowhere else is this album verified as an EP. It costs just as much as an album, so I'm going to go ahead and change the other references. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 16:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fall Out Boy's Evening Out With Your Girl and Evening Out With Your Girlfriend, EPs? 

message: ==See also== 
*List of songs with particularly long titles 
-- Gbeeker 01:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this page have a link to long song titles like this? 

message: I got a template, everybody! --Akrabbim 02:48, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find these templates for a band that has, like Fall Out Boy, very few seperate articles really superfluous. I still don't know why every single and every band member needs a seperate page when the Fall Out Boy article is in as bad a shape as it is at the moment. IMO, they should all be merged into the FOB article and the respective album articles. --HarryCane 09:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the reason the band members' pages aren't merged is because personal bios don't belong in the band article.  However, this page is in serious need of maintenance; we need some actual band history, as well as discussions of sound, style, genre, and other details far more important than Internet parodies. What we need is a [not entirely devotional] fan, that knows something about Fall Out Boy's history (which isn't all that common, since they are still a developing band) that has some respect for Wikipedia, too.  Cleaning up this talk page would be nice, too, but that's not that much of a priority.  --Akrabbim 13:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I tried to clean up a bit. It still needs a lot of work. --Russ is the sex 19:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TEMPLATE 

message: I removed the line about having lots of dialouge in their music videos... only their most recent one has any spoken lines in it.  -Maverick 09:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music videos 

message: Take this to your grave has two articles for it, the proper version which there is a link to off the fall out boy page and another that can be found when searching without proper captilisation. The other version should be deleted. This is the proper version - Take This to Your Grave Other Version - Take this to your grave
:Done. I changed the bad page to a redirect. Well, I thought I did. Maybe only editors can do it? Iorek85 00:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Articles for Take This To Your Grave 

message: I heard that they were a screamo band that decided to do a pop record as a joke and then it got really popular. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Proeliator Sancti (talk • contribs) .
:Well, in a interview with All-Ages Zine, Wentz (Bass) said that they were originally just messing around in a basement as a hardcore band, but decided to do a pop-punk record. They never wanted to go pop. --Diehard2k5
:Makes sense, in some of their songs in From Under the Cork Tree, there are many lines that are "screamed". Kind of shows they have interest in more harder music. --Deathdoor 02:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumor Confirmation 

message: Confirmed Songs
*You Can't Spell Star Without A&R - A song referencing the band's feud with labelmates The Killers.
*They Make Plans, We Make History - A song about how bands focus on what they believe they need to do rather than just doing it. This MAY also be called We Don't Take Hits, We Write Them- this song was played several times on several Fall Out Boy tour dates
*I Liked You A Lot Better Before You Were a MySpace Whore - Pete Wentz commented that this B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree would be included, although for legal reasons the name might be changed.  It is  important to note that this is not "Our Lawyers Made Us Change the Name of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued" from From Under the Cork Tree, the two songs are different.
*Gay Is Not a Synonym for Shitty  (G.I.N.A.S.F.S.)
*The Carpal Tunnel of Love - this song was leaked on absolutepunk.net sopposedly by Pete himself.
*This Ain't a Scene It's An Arms Race - Reportedly the upcomming and first single from the new album. It's said to be released on November 21st.
Possible Songs
*Time Machine - Recently played on Black Clouds And Underdogs Tour.
*Go Down In History - Recently played on Black Clouds and Underdogs Tour, but might be another name for "They Make Plans, We Make History."
*Austin, We Have a Problem - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree.
*Hand Of God - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree.
*2nd Emo - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree.
*What's This? - Maybe a Bonus Track From The Nightmare Before Christmas Soundtrack
*Star 67 - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree.
I have removed the previous information as there is absolutely no source information whatsoever.  I left some brief information on the page, but it also is unconfirmed.  This kind of detail is also unecessary on this page, even if it is true. —Akrabbimtalk 20:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I was the one that added that information (although I wasn't logged in at the time).  You don't take me for a liar, do you? :) It just all depends on how detailed you want to get on the next album.  As for sources, I've collected the information from several places, mostly MTV.com News Interviews, two AbsolutePunk.net interviews with Pete Wentz and several of Pete's journal entries and Q&A responses.  I don't know exactly how you want to cite stuff.  And while we're at it, I think you should re-add the line about having a compelation album of B-Sides and rarities, because Wentz said (in the AbsolutePunk interview) it would probibly come after this next album. Tye8806 03:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, that's fine, It's not like I didn't believe you.  It's mostly just that this article doesn't need to go into that much detail. An encyclopedia article isn't a repository of all existing information on a subject. There aren't track listings for albums that have come out, because there are separate articles.  When FOB releases an official tracklist, then there is reason to create a new article for the upcoming album (this is what happened with the Goo Goo Dolls' Let Love In). For now, I don't think it's significant enough to include any more than I left, you know? Thanks for being civil and talking about it (unlike some 80% of the editors of this page), instead of just getting into an anonymous edit war. —Akrabbimtalk 03:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future album 

message: Looks like some n00b made a page for XO, with a crappy gif file made from paint as the cover. Has this even been released as a single. I assume that since A Little Less.. Single doesn't come out until July 6th, it's safe to say that they haven't picked a new single yet. AFD? -- Diehard2k5 18:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Follow Up: AFD listed. Please contribute. -- Diehard2k5 20:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: XO Single

message: Not to rant or anything, but isn't Fall Out Boy "Pop-punk", not "Alternative Rock"? Google has 140,000 more results for the former, the band is commonly tagged as "Pop-punk" on Last.fm (Alt Rock is a much less-used tag for them), and the comparing examples of the two genres show much more mor commonality with pop-punk.
:i totally concur. alternative rock is sonic youth or the jesus and mary chain, but this is a prime example of the former. i'm changing it. Joeyramoney 21:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop-Punk 

message: Shouldn't we mention that Fall out boy use drop-d more than most emo/pop punk bands, which makes them unique. DavidJJJ 09:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, Drop-D might be the least unique tuning in modern rock music. Even in the mainstremo and puss-punk genres it's prevalent. LaserTrap 01:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, Drop-D is very mainstream these days. And plus, where is your citation for this. What your saying is OR. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 02:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drop-D

message: Removed "Producers of The Simpsons were afraid they would get sued because they thought the band had the name first.  This is false, seeing as The Simpsons have been around for about 20 years, while the band has only been around for about 4 years, tops." because no citation or evidence was provided. It is purely speculation. 198.22.121.110 23:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Simpsons Comment

message: Is the emo link supposed to go to the homosexuality page? --Shanedidona 12:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but dumbass is supposed to redirect to your profile.  I'll fix that now. -Prisonnet 02:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Emo

message: The history pages show this page has had a lot of content compared to its current state. I can't see why all of it was removed. Pests 03:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandalism. Should be all fixed now. Iorek85 03:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened to all the content?

message: Fall Out Boy's appearance on the soundrack is not such a huge deal that it deserves a whole paragraph about it here. Perhaps creating another section dedicated to songs they have contributed to like projects would be more appropriate.Spuddy 17 03:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nightmare Before Christmas soundtrack 

message: Will someone please fix the external links... The Crazewire external link should point to http://www.crazewire.com/features/20050412476.php, not http://features/20050412476.php --Mkoko483 23:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error Found In External Link 

message: They released a new single (at least on iTunes) called Carpal Tunnel of Love. Anyone want to start that article? -- Shorty114 04:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New single