Talk:Tire/Archive 1

message: I rewrote this to reorganize into a form consistent with structure and terminology customary in the tire industry.  These former sections were treated as noted"
1. Tire maintenance and safety - moved to a new page Tire maintenance
2. Railway tires - relocated to a new page Railway tires
3. Tire Physics - distributed across several entries
4. Notable tire makers - re-ordered as a tabel List of Tire Companies - PLEASE add to this list as it only inludes the top25 tire makers out of over 400 worldwide.
5.History - was redone in a list format by date.
I recommend those wanting to add highly descriptve content do so by making new secialized pages with attention to thir fix in the Tire category page.
Zengineerwerks 22:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: The last line of the HISTORY section is profane, and does not appear in the EDIT page.
:Never mind, the offending line was gone when I went back to the article.  It was a sentence fragment mentioning an artificial phallus and one's mother.
::You can fix that yourself just as easily as you can comment about it here - and the problem goes away much faster that way. SteveBaker 04:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somebody please fix 

message: In the sentence "This was due to the development of butadiene with a regular structure, thanks to the use of stereo-specific catalysts.", shouldn't butadiene be changed to polybutadiene ?  H Padleckas 17:35, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  butadiene or polybutadiene ? 

message: This article is getting too long and rambling.  I took the liberty of moving the section on tire codes (which was essentially duplicated and poorly worded) and moved it into a separate article.  I think some other sections could also be moved out.  I would put the entire locomotive tire section into a separate article and make a disambiguation page for 'Tire' that would point to automotive tires and railroad tires as separate articles.  
SteveBaker 05:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When articles reach about 30 - 32 kB, then I think about limiting the length of the article.  Up to about 30 kB is fine.  H Padleckas 15:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is getting kinda long 

message: I don't like the current placement of the 'Manufacturing' section.
EITHER:  It's supposed to be about manufacturing all kinds of tires (steel train tires, pneumatic tires, etc) - in which case, the section looks out of place in what is otherwise a list of tire types (wagon tires, pneumatic tires, automotive tires, train tires).  If this is the intended content of that section then it should either be before all of those other sections or after all of them.
OR: It's supposed to be ONLY about manufacturing automotive tires - in which case it should be a SUBSECTION of automotive tires - and NOT promoted to the same level as the other tire types.
One or the other - you choose.
Meanwhile, I think it's a subsection of automotive tires - so I'm putting it back inside that section.
SteveBaker 04:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manufacturing section 

message: What is wrong with using '====XXXXX====' for these?  If you just make them boldfaced text, they don't show up in the index.  If someone came to this page in order to find out about (say) calendaring - that would be a shame.  Furthermore, it's MUCH harder to edit the page if they are in boldface because you don't get an [Edit] button next to each one.
SteveBaker 04:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In a long article, it often makes sense to use such sub-sub-section headings.  H Padleckas 15:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using '''boldface''' as sub-sub-section headings 

message: After offline discussions with G4sxe, I split the 'manufacturing' section out onto a separate article.  G4sxe has a ton of great information on the subject - but it was getting too much for this article.
SteveBaker 03:37, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 'Tire Manufacturing' 

message: What about aircraft tires? Are they belong to Pneumatic tire category? Is there any tire, which won't burst while driving?   Penguin s 09:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aircraft tires 

message: Please watch for jokers.--Matthead 00:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lego a tire manufacturer? 

message: these types of construction should probably be included. Gzuckier 19:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What i mean, now that i've found it, is that it should probably be merged. Gzuckier 19:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I found radial tire but nothing about belted tire (which I created to redirect here for now). What makes for a belted tire? —Ben FrantzDale 20:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It looks like beltedness is defined on radial tire. That could do with cleanup. —Ben FrantzDale 20:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  bias, radial, belted, etc. 

message: * Oppose -- There's enough to talk about vis-a-vis radial tires to justify a free-standing article. Atlant 22:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: Perhaps someone can directly quote the Oxford Nfitz 21:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: agreed, added info from Widefox 10:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology seems rather POV 

message: To better support the article Tire for non-US/Canadian English speakers (British English, Australian etc), the article about the Lebanese city Tyre has moved to Tyre (Lebanon) and Tyre now redirects to Tire. To continue support for readers accessing the Lebanese city, this is explicitly disambiguated at the top of Tire. I've added a comment in the article markup. Please do NOT remove this, due to the number of links and readers wanting Tyre (Lebanon), especially given this recent change.Widefox 15:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyre 

message: Railroad car and diesel locomotive steel wheels are not fitted with tires. Steam locomotive driving wheels were usually fitted with steel tires, which were heated, mounted, and permitted to shrink onto the wheel.
LorenzoB 20:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railroad 

message: Tire Physics is too shotr (and a mess) and would be better merged here in my opinion.--NHSavage 18:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: done mege now.--NHSavage 19:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from Tire Physics 

message: Why, exactly is inner tube redirected to tire? There's even a section further in the article that links to inner tube, so in essence, the article is a self-redirect. Anthony Rupert 06:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the link to inner tube in the history section of the article.  It seems unlikely that anyone will write an article about inner tubes - and in the absence of such and article, if someone types in "inner tube", the best thing we can do is to redirect here.  If want to write about inner tubes - feel free to get rid of the redirect and put back the link. SteveBaker 14:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inner tube redirect

message: There are many instances of the word "should" which clearly indicate howto type information. -- Beland 04:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If so, the  tag should be on the main article page, not the talk page. Anthony Rupert 04:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't add how-to tags to talk pages... this is rather confusing for wikibooks administrators! --SB_Johnny|talk|books 22:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Howto 

message: As seen in rubber natural rubber is made from latex and is still used in tires, though more synthetic rubber is used per year.
Jim.henderson 18:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Latex

message: Someone made the point that, doing the Google test on both, you get far more hits for Tire - for a start, quite a lot may well have been to do with feeling tired - like I tire really easily, you get the point. Also, the use of the spelling Tire happens to be incorrect, only the American education system is too stupid to notice a glaring spelling mistake like that. - Vox Humana 8' 17:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As an American, I might argue that  " the use of the spelling Tyre happens to be incorrect, only education systems with European ties are too stupid to notice a glaring spelling mistake" ;-)   ;however, The US vs non-US(UK, etc.. )  spelling issue has been debated to death, and the best resolution seems to be to agree to disagree. The Wikipedia conventions are covered in WP:ENGVAR. --Versageek 17:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Locale-specific spellings should be an option in MediWiki, like date formatting. :-) —Ben FrantzDale 19:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously, it should be spelled as "tyre" to distinguish it from the verb "to tire." How do the USA cope? Same spelling  for "to check" and "a cheque," the list goes on. For the clarity (and as a favour) of Wiki users, the words should be distinguishable. Remember, it is only really the USA (and Canada to a certain extent) that use tire. the UK, and other old British Empire countries uses the UK spelling. Yes, I know that if the article is spelt the US way at the beginning it should be carried through, but this is not a question of "my spellings are better than yours," but "this spelling is more helpful to Wiki users." I would have thought that this would be more important than Wiki policy. Dewarw 20:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

text: It is not obvious and there has been extensive discussion on it.  See, in particular, Talk:Tyre, Lebanon#Tyre.  And there are many more noun articles than verb. . .  I have just reverted a tire->tyre spelling change in the article.  (John User:Jwy talk) 18:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

text: This matter was debated and decided long ago.  Unless the underlying facts driving that debate have changed (they haven't), there is nothing to be gained by re-opening it. SteveBaker 11:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And the underlying facts won't change until the Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English changes, which says that the article should stay in AmE since it was written in AmE. Mbelisle (talk) 05:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Tyre versus Tire