Talk:Virtual Console/Archive 2

message: I've seen it bandied about on a few forums often enough, generally something along the lines of "Wait, I can buy an emulated copy of Super Mario Brothers I can play on my Wii instead of playing an emulated copy on my computer? Cool!", but I'm having a bit of trouble finding credible sources so that this sort of thing can be added into the article.
If anybody's seen anything, please let me know. 151.151.73.168 17:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are clearly a large number of console emulators available.  It might not have been added to the article because people don't often compare legal and illegal alternatives (eg. ITunes Store doesn't mention Kazaa).  --Interiot 17:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  One piece of information that would be useful on this page is whether Virtual Console titles are emulated or are actually new ports of the old games. I'd guess it's the latter, otherwise it would be much easier and faster to make the games available; the cautious release schedule suggests that they've got people rewriting the games (to some extent) for Wii. Kelvingreen 15:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  From what I've heard, the games are emulated, since graphic bugs and the like are intact. I haven't, however, actually downloaded any games so I'm not sure.  213.238.233.27 22:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emulators versus Virtual Console? 

message: According to this article, there is to be no rumble for the N64 games. Proto Dude 04:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the early N64 games didn't have rumble. StarFox64 was the first N64 game to have rumble. Also, the article is some what wrong because the V.Controller doesn't have rumble directly, but since the V.comtroller is attached to the Wii Remote, the Wii Remote could rumble for the V.Controller. But this is just what I think. Kur 4 th Ich 19:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Rumble? 

message: Wii Points is a country?!?!?!?!—Preceding unsigned comment added by TaintedKiller (talk • contribs) 
:Virtual Console games are bought using Wii Points, the money amount is how much that would be in cash based on how much a Wii Points card cost in that country (for example, 2000 Wii Points cost $20 in the US so 800 Wii Points=USD$8). Also, remember to sign you comments. TJ Spyke 20:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Points 

message: Should we add an article which includes the Retro(Virtual, but Retro sounds better to me) Games that are already out? I'm not sure if it would be a hassle to update the article every monday (most likely would). Maybe add a page just for the Retro games. Kur 4 th Ich 18:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  article on released games? 

message: What happened to this part of the titles list?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.89.175 (talk • contribs) 
:Look under the Titles section. North America VC games were moved to their own article (similar to Xbox Live Arcade games). TJ Spyke 06:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Titles list gone? 

message: This needs to be brought up. We all know that by "Undetermined" it means "some"  games work with given controllers. However, it only says "Undetermined" in the manual and Wii website (neither of which is cited as a source, I notice). So, someone needs to grab a reference (such as an IGN or Gamespot article) where they say what "undetermined" means in this context. For example "The Wii controller can be used for some Turbografix titles". Just look for an article with a sentence like that and it should be sufficient. Until then that table should read "Undetermined" and should definitely reference the Wii manual or the Nintendo Wii website. Sockatume 02:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Undetermined is resolved on both the source side and Nintendo's site, as it's sourced in the text prior and Nintendo's site reads 'some' instead. I'm really not sure why only some games, but not all, since even for 6 button games the GC has enough buttons, but they're probably just covering in case things don't work out later. Eusis 04:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then reference away. Sockatume 15:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you want it referenced on the table itself or something? Because it's already referenced in the article prior to the table. 22 at that. Eusis 20:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad, I hadn't noticed it was already covered. Sockatume 21:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Controller types table

message: Should separate articles be started for Japan (http://wii.ign.com/articles/747/747663p1.html) and Australia (http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5068)?  The Japanese article at IGN has a complete launch line-up of 39 titles with 12 more to be released by year's end, with release dates and prices.  The Australia link has no TG16 titles (is this for real?  why?) but actually lists Commodore 64 titles for 2007.  The current chart has served its purpose well, but is it time for separate charts to be placed on this page or on separate articles like how I did the North America one? Ryuzx 08:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Commodore 64 has never been confirmed by Nintendo, that was just reported by a Japanese website. TG16 hasn't been announced for Australia because the system was never released there (although i'm sure this would give them more of a reason to want to try the TG16 games, so I think they are losing potential money). I wouldn't be opposed to pages for each region. TJ Spyke 01:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: C64 was reported by the European publisher (System 3) which was looking to get titles on the service, which would be a better reference than a third-party Japanese website. Damned if I know where the citation is, though. Sockatume 02:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That citation would have to be found first of coarse. TJ Spyke 02:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main articles for other regions? 

message: Linkage. At PAL launch, there are going to be three sub-regions for virtual console titles. Austria, Belgium, Ireland, Norway, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Sweden, and Switzerland form one region at the moment, getting nine titles. Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Great Britain, Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Spain will miss out on three of these, leaving them with six titles. Australia and New Zealand aren't going to get any Turbografix titles because the system was never released there, so that leaves them with three titles at launch. I'm open to suggestions for how we can get this information into the article in a non-messy way. Sockatume 01:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest removing the game listings entirely from this page and create a separate article "List of Virtual Console titles (PAL)" with explanation and just specify which PAL sub-region in the chart, like the NA VC list article does for the controller.  Ryuzx 02:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PAL region subdivided

message: Do the old cheats, passwords, etc work on VC games? This would go some way to determining whether the games are emulated or are full, new, ports. Kelvingreen 10:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm pretty sure they're emulated, because your first download on each platform has an extra chunk of data attached to it which is unlikely to be anything but an emulator (e.g. Donkey Kong NES is about 100 blocks to download if it's your first NES game but it's only 20 blocks when you look at it on the save screen). And Nintendo are apparently priding themselves on the fidelity of the conversions. I'd go as far as to suggest they might just be ROM dumps of the original cartridges. Sockatume 10:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you're probably right. On the other hand, talk of extra features and enhanced graphics, etc suggests some tinkering beyond just a ROM dump. I'm sure it'll become clear as people tinker with the VC operating system. Kelvingreen 23:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reckon the "updates" will be patches for the ROMs or somesuch. There's still no official word on how it really works, unfortunately, so all we can do is speculate. Sockatume 06:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sadly yes. I hope some information arises soon, as this is one of the more interesting aspects of Wii for me. Kelvingreen 17:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheats? 

message: Allo.
This seems to be covered in the article, but I just want to make sure I know how this works...
Say I'm playing an NES game, with the "classic" controller... Am I forced to use the A button on the controller for the game's A button, and the B button on the controller for the game's B button? (ew)
Or, is the A mapped to B, and the B mapped to Y? (to maintain a closer orientation to the original)
And, same question for the Gamecube controller instead of the classic controller. A to A and B to B? (That I could live with) Bladestorm 20:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I take it you haven't downloaded any VC games yet? There is no button mapping. The digital instructions even tell you what buttons you have to use. You have to use the A button (or 1 button on the Wii Remote) for actions that used the A button on the NES controller. So the X and Y buttons on the Classic Controller and GameCube controller are not use for NES/TG16/Genesis games. TJ Spyke 22:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I haven't been able to get a wii at all yet. But thanks a lot! (duh! the wiimote! I somehow forgot you can use that for NES games!) Anyways, thanks. Bladestorm 17:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Button Mapping? 

message: When I get around to it, I will merge List of Virtual Console titles (North America) into Virtual Console (Wii) similar to a table like in the MapleStory article. This will be up before Monday, hopefully. TheListUpdater 22:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I like this idea.  The reason a separate page was set-up was because eventually the list of available and anticipated releases were going to be too large.  It is my opinion that it would be best to remove the Japanese and the two or three PAL regions into their own separate articles as well and have no games listed on this page. Ryuzx 02:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. It was only an experiment, after all. (Besides, I'm not very good at tables!)TheListUpdater 23:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Table Proposed 

message: "Games downloaded from Virtual Console library will be stored on Wii's built-in 512 MB flash memory, but not on SD cards"
I was under the impression that 'channels' could be backed up on SD cards, including VC games which act as channels. I won't change it now in case I'm wrong. --Thaddius 16:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I read that you can copy virtual console games to a SD card, but you won't see them in the channels. That is, in order to play them, they must be in the built-in memory. However, I am too lazy right now to search for a reference :) -- ReyBrujo 19:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I checked the save data manager. It will let you copy The Channel Data and Save Data. The only thing on my Wii it says "this cannot be copied" is The Internet Channel Save data. --Phred Levi 03:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That's silly, it says in the article and on the Shop Channel, you can't transfer games to other Wiis. Just back them up. Although you don't really need to since it will let you re-download games if you needed to delete them. --Phred Levi 19:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible innaccuracy? 

message: Well, it seems that the PAL VC games are exact copies of the originals, running slower and boasting black bars on the top and bottom of the screen, just like the old days. Doesn't bother me, but it's got a lot of people's backs up, and should perhaps be mentioned in the article. I have heard, however, that some games, notably Mario 64, will be "fixed" to run full screen and full speed. If a source can be found for this, it too should be added. Kelvingreen 22:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see it's already in the article. Never mind. I'd still like to see confirmation on the "optimised" games though. Kelvingreen 22:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Curse of PAL 

message: Ok I've removed this twice only to have TJ Spyke put it back up there.  The image at the top right of the page has no proof in it being the official logo of Nintendo's VC and has no reason to be there.  It is a Banner Image from Nintendo's Wii VC website, He, or whoever, just simply transfered it over to the Virtual console page it should not go here!  But all he does it revert my edits back to what they were.  Who else agree's that the image and title at the are misleading? 
The picture and caption shown at the right... Mike24 21:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't it the indicator for Classic Controller compatability in games, with a bit of website dressing on the left? There's nothing to indicate that it's an "official logo" besides the image description page. Someone get the press kit and check what logos are included. Sockatume 21:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And... Who will be able to access that?  I've done web searches and looked around and there is no other mention of the Virtual Console logo, Its just a design from the website.  No where in the Graphical User Interface on the Shopping channel is that design displayed nor on any webpage.  It is just a website banner.  I've removed it and all they do is place it back on the page.  I posted on TJ's talk page about it, but he wont reply. Mike24 21:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it is the logo that Nintendo chooses to have at the header of their virtual console page here, so it seems like it's worth including. The only thing I'd question is whether or not it's accurate to refer to it as "the official logo of the virtual console". Bladestorm 21:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I agree. But we can have it up there, but it shouldn't be referred to as the official logo.  If that was the case then I could pull any logo or banner off their site and say it was official just because the webmaster decided to put it there... Perhaps we remove that or find a good screenshot of the Wii Shopping Channel Mainpage.  Mike24 01:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would absolutely love to see a good screenshot of that, though I wouldn't have a clue where you could find one. Bladestorm 01:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the "official" logo is here: http://wii.nintendo.com/wiifeatures_index.jsp   Mausy5043 18:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virtual Console Image 

message: I just added a whole bunch of Australian information that I believed deserved to be there. If a fellow aussie (or someone else, I suppose it doesn't really matter) would go through it and check it for me, that would be great. 121.208.68.212 10:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's great!  You are more than welcome to start up an article "List of Virtual Console titles (Australia)" if you would like so we can become one step closer to getting that chart off this page.  The only chart I would think is worthwhile for this page would be focused on games available in one region that is currently not available and/or not announced for another. Ryuzx 17:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As an Australian I would note that the list of titles available in Australia on this page is totally inaccurate. There would be no more that a dozen titles currently available at the Wii Shop in Australia, and although I don't have a definitive list of them, SimCity for example is definitely not currently available, it's the one title I was interested in downloading. Perhaps a more regular contributer would like to change the list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.84.155.219 (talk) 01:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I bolded the ones which have already been released. The others are the ones expected to be released. I'm not too sure about Super Castlevania IV and Super Probotector though and I'm not sure if Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine should still be on there. I might try to get one of those "List of Virtual Console Titles (Australia)" pages up later, for now I have no time. 121.208.68.212 22:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Great, thanks for that. I just added Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine and brought up the number of titles in the paragraph by one. No big change but it wasn't there for some reason. 121.208.68.212 04:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Information 

message: I changed the statement about Tuesday releases, because they are now releasing them on Mondays in North America. I also added subheadings to the Titles section. I felt it was hard to follow otherwise.--Ashitaka96 20:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it seems that the two Tuesday updates were just from a slightly rough start. I'm guessing they're not going to be doing that anymore, though I'd like to see them further improve by announcing more than a day or two ahead of time what'll be up. Eusis 21:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monday Release Schedule 

message: Should it be mentioned that ESRB (at least) is rating games? I would like more info on this. Tuesday42 00:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings 

message: super mario 64 is a good game, but i was hoping for much more games that i never had a chance to play because i missed them or was too young (i was 7 when i got it 1999), so if you know if theres going to be more n64 games for sweden/europe, please wright it down here.Anton the Swede
:AFAIK, none have been announced yet. I'm always keeping my eyes open though, and i'm sure others are as well. Also, remember to sign you posts by typing ~~~~. TJ Spyke 21:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  no more n64 games for europe? 

message: What happened to that section? Didn't they say they were going to confirm them? ~Supera45 IP 70.107.199.77 (January 26, 2007 12:24 AM Eastern)
:It was never officially announced by Nintendo. TJ Spyke 03:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Include it again, Nintendo of Norway announced a Commodore 64 game. 81.240.15.197 20:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No they haven't. The game has been on several other systems, including the Sega Master System and several other systems. TJ Spyke 21:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they have announced it. Nintendo of Norway. They state its the Commodore 64 version. 81.240.11.61 07:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commodore 64? 

message: I propose to remove the columns "Commodore 64" and "MSX" from the Pricing chapter's table. At first I changed the order of both columns to "MSX" second to last and "Commodore 64" to be the last column. I did this because I think that the release of Commodore 64 games for the VC is highly unlikely as it is only based on one source and I think that article is largely wishful thinking. For MSX games there is at least a Nintendo source available (http://wii.ign.com/articles/733/733464p5.html). And this way it would be easier in the future to remove the "Commodore 64" column. Upon further consideration, I think it would even be better to remove both columns altogether, since there is no information inside them. As soon as information becomes available, it is easy to add a column for the required platform. In the same way there is also no row, yet, available for either platform in the table of the next chapter (Storage and Control). Your insights are welcome. Mausy5043 17:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just read on Kotaku that C64 games coming to VC turned out to be just speculation on Nintendo Powers part. So I guess the C64 column should be removed.--Ashitaka96 20:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the C64 and MSX entries in seperate edits, so they can be re-instated easily if needed. Please only add them if games are actually available for this platform. Mausy5043 10:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commodore 64 and MSX 

message: Thanks to those who fixed my awkward phrasing of the "33 virtual console/+2 stuff...
I'm still getting to know the quirks of Wikipedia's formating standards, and so I am glad that people why know more about it are able to fix that...
And now back to your regularly scheduled Talk... Lamename3000 08:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well, duh! It's a Wiki! 

message: This talk page needs a good cleaing. I started by archiving most of the discussions from before November 2006 in Archive 1. Many of them are nolonger relevant as facts have surpassed speculation. Probably other forum-like chit-chat can be moved there also. Be my guest. Mausy5043 11:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 1 

message: Notice at the Shopping Guide Q&A mentions an Update feature where you can download updates to the games you've bought for free? Has anything done something like that yet? Is this kind of feature even mentioned in the article?--Phred Levi 02:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing like that has been announced by Nintendo. TJ Spyke 22:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an Update Feature that is part of the Wii Shop Channel. It is obviously official since it is mentioned in the Wii Shop Channel's Q&A section. However, at this time no game has used this update feature. The Update Feature should be mentioned in the article, if it has not been already. Zomic_13 00:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An update has been released (in Australia, at least) for Mario Kart 64. Therefore, it has been done, and should be mentioned. Also, updates are free. I am not sure if new downloads come with the update built in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.224.113.216 (talk) 11:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the EU, there have been updates for Mario Kart 64 and Military Madness.  These updates are built in to the games if youre to download them now. Tim (Xevious) 11:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibility for updates? 

message: Hang on, I bought this game and have played it on Wii (granted, I've only played it with 2 players max) but from what I've seen, if you sync the WiiMote to player 1, and put a gamecube controller to the first slot, BOTH controllers control player 1. How does this let you play with 5 players? Youngminii 09:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm remembering right, you hold in L on the GC controller as you boot up the game. If it's not that... Well, I seem to recall that the manual that came with the game explained it. Eusis 11:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I dunno, but when dungeon explorer starts, I get a little menu where it asks me to assign the controllers to the five players. It says I can hold a button to enter that screen again if I need to...
I think it was -... or maybe + --Phred Levi 19:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bomberman 93 

message: Is it possible for games from other countries to be avalible in North America? If so, will it be localized?--RPGFan1
:I believe it's been confirmed that Nintendo are looking into it, but no more than that so far. Kelvingreen 15:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Games 

message: "Some have suggested exploiting the effects of the Long Tail, and releasing as many games as possible as fast as possible." First of all, there's no citation for this. Who the heck is "some" supposed to be? Secondly, and perhaps more personally, I read the article on the Long Tail, and I don't understand the connection between the Virtual Console and the Long Tail. I'm not saying there isn't a connection, but this article doesn't do anything to make that connection clear. 199.126.58.160 00:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems obvious to me. Basically, if they were to release everything at once, people would be able to pick and choose what they wanted. It's like Amazon and other online places -- with a selection of "everything", people who like less popular things still are able to purchase them, as there's no issue of shelf space to push away the less popular for the hot sellers. Furthermore, more obscure things are also more likely to be selling little by little down the line, rather than having one hot perios and then people losing interest. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 00:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism: The Long Tail 

message: This page should be moved to Virtual Console (Wii), and Virtual Console should redirect to Virtual console. That is because Virtual Console and Virtual console have only one letter of difference, and in these cases, they all should redirect to a single article, because the user should arrive to the same page regardless if he types "Virtual Console" or "Virtual console". -- ReyBrujo 21:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep in mind that the person who moves it also has to make sure links to Nintendo's service go to "Virtual Console (Wii)" instead of "Virtual Console". Just64helpin 21:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: THIS page should be at Virtual Console and the other should be at Virtual Console (computer interface). I requested a move back in like September, but it ended with no consensus (1 for, 1 against). Maybe someone else can request it again since the average person typing VC will want this page. TJ Spyke 22:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't move it without going through WP:Requested moves and advertising the requested move on this talk page. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 07:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't do it until at least tomorrow, but I will support the move (since Virtual Console and Virtual console should refer here). TJ Spyke 02:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation page