Talk:List of Heroes characters/Archive 1

message: I added "Altered perception of pain" to Claire's powers.  The source for this is an interview with two of the show's writers: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8817 (third question down). Unfortunately I am not very familiar with editing Wikipedia and cannot for the life of me figure out how to add a citation.  I would appreciate it very much if someone would add that for me.  Thank you. 71.193.152.63 05:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. I was worried this was just speculation. This does help, though not in very clear way. I think it'd be better not to add overly long or confusing data to what's really supposed to be a simple summary. I'll make note at the Claire Bennet article. Thanks, and you're welcome. Check out [Wikipedia:citation]] and Wikipedia:citation templates for information about how to cite sources. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't wish to start an argument, as obviously you're much more familiar with Wikipedia's protocol than I am, but this does seem to be an important power of hers.  It has been clearly portrayed onscreen, and is essential to making her primary power meaningful (i.e. it lends her a sort of invulnerability in that she truly need not fear harm).  I certainly feel that it is much more a superpower than Niki's split personality, which may not even be directly related to her powers. 71.193.152.63 13:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A different perception of pain might be unusual, but not necessarily superhuman. And Claire doesn't seem to enjoy getting hurt or lack fear, she just knows she'll be okay in the end. Also, while you might take the comment to mean something like "she feels less pain overall", Wikipedia must maintain a NPOV. The statement was ambiguous and could have different meaning than was assumed or implied. All we know is that her peception is "different". Also, while certain factors might seem vital, we try to keep this to the bear minimum. We could mention Peter's apparent need to be right next to the "source" character whose powers he mimicks or DL's possible need to touch an object before phasing, but that's stuff for their articles and way too detailed. Stuff like the Nik's split personality or Isaac's drug problem may have been pre-existing factors, and are still vital elements. "Jessica" does seem directly connected to Niki's superstrength, as Niki has never shown any when she's acting like herself. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Addition to Claire's Powers

message: Changed Mohinder's power to "clairvoyance" from "psychometry." Psychometry is the very specific power to ascertain details from objects. There is no proof that Mohinder's visions came from any objects in his vicinity. Until more details emerge, it would be safer to assume that his ability to see the past events he couldn't possibly know of comes purely from himself. 66.82.9.42 06:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mohinder's Power 

message: Why was Claire's Biological Parents Removed from the list of Characters. They spoke more than a few lines and contributed to the storyline of the Show.
Dan Bricker 16:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Claire's Implied Biological Parents

message: Changed Micah's power to "telemechanics", I just made the word up. I am awesome. That is my power. lol.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.85.105 (talk • contribs) 03:56, November 10, 2006
There has been some lively discussion on the Micah Sanders page.  It appears the general agreement is that Micah's power is Unspecified, but possibly Technopathy.  That should be reflected on this page. Reg619 01:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just weaselly spec and definitely not the consensus at Talk:Micah Sanders. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Micah Sander's powers 

message: As someone visiting this page for the first time to glean a little bit more technical information on various characters, I'd like to point out that it would make more sense in many ways to have all characters with actual superpowers in the main table (currently for "major characters") than how it is now. This would involve adding Sylar, the Haitian, Ted (who I felt I really had to 'dig' to find out about), and IMO Eden, Charlie and Sanjog to the table. As it is, there is inconsistency, specifically that Zach and Eden have been just as important in events as Simone. These characters along with Mohinder, Ando and Mr Bennet should probably go immediately under the table due to their importance, but don't need their bios tabulated since there's no need to keep track of the same sort of information for them as for the heroes. I'd appreciate any and all thoughts on this.
Also, the table of contents right at the top all by itself looks pretty bad.
:Currently the table lists all the characters that are singled out as main characters on the official NBC Heroes site, which I think is a NPOV way for us to separate major from minor characters.  The problem with what you suggest is that we don't know how prominent each character will become to the overall storyline in upcoming episodes, but the NBC designation might take that into account.  That being said, I'd actually prefer the table being dropped completely in favor of single-paragraph descriptions, and I wouldn't object if we dropped the major/minor separation completely given how that some of the minor characters currently have more screentime (and are more popular) than some of the majors.  Primogen 17:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, that makes sense - I agree that the table layout should probably go, then. It just breaks up the article too much. K O Archer 00:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps a section on the main page with a list of powers (flight, precognition, mimicry, etc.)and those characthers who have them is more appropriate? ShigityShank 03:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of Actual 'Heroes' 

message: This character's name is Sanjog Iyer, not Iyer Sanjog.  I know this because I play him on the show, but anyone who researches the history of these names in India (google, etc) will see that Sanjog is a first name, and Iyer is a last name. Upal12 14:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough.  So then why is the file on him titled "SANJOG, Iyer", shouldn't it be "IYER, Sanjog"?  Or did the filmakers just make a mistake? --M m hawk 21:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Just confirmed for myself that Sanjog is a first name (it means "coincidence.").  I also did a Google search and came up with 181 hits for "Sanjog Iyer" and only 30 hits for "Iyer Sanjog".  Primogen 19:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, IMDb's cast list also gives the character name as Sanjog Iyer. Even though IMDb isn't the most reliable source, it is odd that, given the way the file folder showed his name, that someone would put in that the name was actually Sanjog Iyer if it wasn't true. Primogen 19:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sanjog Iyer 

message: I edited it to note that she has a possibly telepathic superhuman suggestion/persuasion ability; I think it should be kept that way until we find out more. CTVampSlayer 10:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Mr. Bennett hinted that Eden can be more persuasive, when she reports to him that Mohinder has gone back to India. So saying "Possible Ability of Persuasion" is a sound theory. --ParalysedBeaver 19:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia editors don't put their theories and "possible" explanations into articles. Primogen 20:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eden's Powers 

message: I think minor and major characters should be merged as there really seems to be no major cast. And those that might of been minor are major now and vice versa. 
Wikvin 06:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor and Major Characters merge? 

message: Should this article also mention that Zach's Myspace says he is 18 years old and also claims he is a sophmore?  This also implies that Claire might also be a Sophmore though it is unusual to ahve 18 year old Sophomores, or sophmore cheerleader captains and homecoming queens.  And if Zach is in fact a senior or was held back 2 year than that might cause some conflict with some things in the show.  Owenlars2 15:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the additional MySpace info to Zach's description.  However, the speculations do not belong here. Primogen 15:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe Zack's Myspace page says he is 18 because of rules regarding "minors on myspace". --Mjrmtg 16:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thanks...that makes a lot of sense.  Though I think in the show they are Sophomores since neither of them seem to have cars and this may suggest they are under 16 in the show which is a more reasonable age for a sophomore.63.165.176.75 20:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Why was Claire grounded anyway? --Mjrmtg 16:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For punching Jackie at school.63.165.176.75 20:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zach 

message: I put a clean up tag on here. I don't know why the two articles were merged, because it looks terrible and very long now. The TOC and the table don't work together very well and overall it is just messy. --Pinkkeith 22:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah...please don't do that. If you'll look above, the merger was agreed upon. Now, fo the move part, content and TOC issue lay with the "minor characters" section. Perhaps we could remove that title and just list everyone as separate from the main characters by not neccessarily "minor". Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean Up

message: *I see that Eden now has her own article.  Is she now a main character?4.167.224.53 18:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sylar's an exception. Eden getting an article surprises me, though. I'll have to keep an eye on this. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eden's certainly becoming a main character in practice, if not in name. I think that having a separate article for her is just fine, as there's quite a bit of information about her available now. --dws90 06:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eden an official character? 

message: During the "Homecoming" episode, Mohinder correctly guesses his father's password to his computer and up pops a partial list of people believed to have super powers. I paused this part on my DVR and below is the list. Many names are missing characters as the screenshot on the TV episode was 100% fitted to the computer. Of course, this information is too undeveloped/undefined to include in the article, but I thought it could be helpful as the series progresses and more of these people are introduced (if they ever are introduced).
{|             	
Name            	Location
Felipe Acerra   	Deceased
D.L. Hawkins    	Las Vegas, NV
Byron Bevington 	Marshfield, VT
Niki Sander     	Las Vegas, NV
Daniel Bizzetti 	Greely, CO
Isaac Mendez    	New York, NY
Tracy Chobham   	Frostburg, MD
Nicholas Datre  	Deceased
Paul Gramble    	Monteith, IA
Curtis Hovsepian	Grant Pass, OR
Nathan Petrelli 	New York, NY
Noel Menzies    	Deceased
Penkala Burton  	Albert Lea, MN
Teresa Hue Pham 	Shreveport, LA
Matthew Parkman 	Los Angeles, CA
Hiro Nakamura   	Tokyo, Japan
                	Midland, TX
--NMajdan•talk 17:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Nameslocationsstatusru5.jpg - Screen shot of names. --ParalysedBeaver 19:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, didn't even see that. Thank you for providing that. My list above is a bit more complete than the one on the 'Homecoming' article. I've updated my page to reflect the better image provided by the HD broadcast of the show.--NMajdan•talk 21:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess is that the Midland, TX one is either Claire or Charlie, seeing as how Odessa is quite near Midland. --ParalysedBeaver 01:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  People with powers - from Mohinder's father's computer 

message: I'm not so sure that Radiokinesis is the best way to describe his powers. Radiokinesis implies that he can manipulate radiation, but nothing indicates that he can do that. He generates ionizing radiation, certainly, but he also can generate heat. While ionizing radiation is damaging, I'm not sure if ionizing radiation by itself can create heat. However there is another possibility: Nuclear Energy Manipulation - Ted can generate nuclear energy, which produces heat with a side effect of radiation. I think that's more accurate. Stabbey 17:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He clearly demonstrates the ability to create heat, which is pyrokinesis. Whether the radiation is the cause of the heat, or a side effect of the heat remains unclear. I think that "Pyrokinesis, with the side effect of emitting harmful radiation" is a more accurate then the current radiokinesis. Stabbey 18:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We know for a fact that Ted can emit radiation, but we don't know that he has pyrokinesis, which actually is "the ability to manipulate and control flame".  We don't even know that he can emit heat without emitting radiation, but we do know that many forms of radiation can cause certain molecules to generate heat.  Since boiling water can be accomplished through radiation emission, I don't think we need to search for other explanations or use that as evidence of other powers. Primogen 19:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  He does not appear to be able to emit heat without radiation. I should note that he hasn't just boiled water, many things in his house have been damaged by what appears to be fire - photographs, a keyboard, a door. Fire manipulation is described in the list of comic book superpowers as "Ability to control the kinetic energy of atoms to generate, control or absorb fire." That's an 'or' not an 'and'. By that definition Ted does have the Fire Manipulation ability, even if he can't control the fire. Side Note: If the current powers as shown on the Heroes don't fall into any of the existing categories, what should be done about that? Stabbey 21:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The producers of the show coined a term for his power: Induced Radioactivity, which they describe as being " the ability to give radioactive properties to objects". Maniac 03:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What's the source for the "Induced radioactivity" claim? I'd like to see that, if only for verification. And I did look up ionizing radiation a while ago because of questions on this topic, and the Wikipedia page didn't say heat was a side effect, just that hot objects can emit ionizing radiation. --Stabbey 04:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  Also, radiation causes atoms to vibrate more rapidly, causing them to heat up.  So, we don't need to specify heat separately from radiation.  These instances have been corrected. PureSoldier 03:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  Radiation most definately has heat as a side effect.  Wikipedia's entry may not be complete, but I work with radiation, and it certainly heats things up. PureSoldier 09:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough, I bow to the experts. "Radiokinesis" it is, I don't think there's more the n a semantic difference between that and "Induced Radioactivity". I would add that Ted can produce heat through use of his power, I think that's a clarifying statement, not a redundant one. --Stabbey 14:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  Microwave Oven. falsedef 03:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ted Sprague's powers 

message: I've said this in the Niki Sanders discussion, but I really think there is some confusion as to when exactly Jessica "protected" Niki from Hal.  It seemed to me that she was CLEARLY referring to taking over Niki's body while Hal was beating her--i.e., after her own death.  That is why Niki can't remember the abuse.  The whole thing doesn't make sense if Jessica was "protecting" Niki before her own death.  Seems to me she was just Hal's preferred target.  Jessica even said that Niki became his punching bag after her own death.  This point is confused in other articles as well.  I'm not sure how to edit the Hal section, but I'm quite convinced that when Jessica said she "protected" Niki, she meant after her own death.  Watch the episode again, but this seems quite clear to me.  MahlerFan 23:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was clear to me that Jessica was protecting Niki before her death by being the target of Hal's abuse.  I don't see how she protected Niki after her death, since the appearance of the Jessica alter-ego appears to be a recent thing, and Hal seemed surprised to meet the Jessica alter-ego during the episode.  Certainly Jessica's super strength is recent thing, or Jessica would have taken out Hal years ago.  Do you mean that Jessica was protecting Niki by not having her remember the abuse?  Possible, although given that Jessica was killed by Hal, Niki most needed protection for her body.  Hmm, what happened to Hal after he killed Jessica? I forgot.  I'll have to review the episode, but he didn't stay with the family after killing Jessica, did he? Primogen 00:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Jessica/Niki told Hal that after Jessica died, "they" (likely meaning Child Services) left Niki with Hal. think that Niki saw Hal choke Jessica to death, and that traumatized her so much that her mind split and created the "Jessica" persona. But we'll probably find that out later. If Niki really is 33, it does not make sense for her real sister Jessica to have been the one protecting her from Hal, because Niki would have been older then Jessica when she died. Stabbey 14:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also got the impression that, though the superstrength is a recent development, the Jessica alter-ego was created when Niki was a child and Hal started to beat her, so she adopted a personality patterned on her dead sister to suffer the abuse in her place, probably like the real Jessica had done before dying. And I'm not sure Niki's listed age is correct either, I've read somewhere that Jessica is supposed to have been Niki's twin sister, but I don't remember any mention of that in the episode itself. Renenarciso 16:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The connection is probably symbolic - I think a theme in the book is about how people are unable to change the future. --Stabbey 18:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hal 

message: The latest issue of TV Guide indicates that Christopher Eccleston (from Doctor Who) will be joining the cast when Heroes returns in January. What would be the protocol for discussing this? Samer 02:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is customarily left off until the actor appears in an episode. Anything else would be speculation. Especially since we know nothing about what character he's playing, adding a new character that we know nothing about won't be helpful anyway. --Stabbey 18:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New character 

message: *What is the name of Mohinders friend in India who first informed him of his father's death?  He's been in a number of episodes so he should be featured in the article. --4.172.117.146 19:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His name is Nirand, he is played by Shishir Kurup --Stabbey 02:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mohinder's friend 

message: There are several links that point(ed) to this supposed section in this article. Only, the section was removed. What now? --Addict 2006 23:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Molly Walker? 

message: I think this is pretty obvious for two reasons:
1. When they cut to Sylar is has a look on his face of shock and maybe anger
2. Sylar needed and longed for her power, it was pretty much 1 of 2 powers he needed to become virtually invincible. The other being Claires.
I probably wouldn't of brought this up since it will more then likely be revealed 100% in the next episode what happens, but it doesn't air till January 22nd. Anyone else agree on this? 68.226.119.201 10:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eden Killed Herself 

message: Empath is currently listed as one of Peter's powers. Before this episode I would have been willing to list "Unspecified Empathic Power" as one of his abilities, but the strange possibly future-predicting dream has thrown me for a loop and I'm not sure what to call it now. "Unspecified dream-related power" is the closest I have. It seems to be more then just an empathic bond-related dream, since Niki, D.L. and Micah were in the dream and as far as we know he's never met them. --Stabbey 14:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen the episode yet, not living in America, but from what I've read of comments form people, it seems he has a form of hypersensitivity, in order to "Dream" events concerning other characters. It would also feed into his ability to aquire others powers. (At least one comic book character I recall could borrow powers by synching mentally with the target. But I won't be able to give definitive opinions until I manage to get hold of the episode. Jacobshaven3 18:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, that too. I think Clairvoyance fits the best for now. EDIT: Forgot to sign this. --Stabbey 22:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose any such power being listed with Peter. We've heard characters say that except for Sylar, people have only one power, and we've heard of other powered people who can enter or manipulate dreams. To start assigning Peter more powers based on his dream should mean that we should assign the same powers to Mohinder, based on HIS dreams. ThuranX 23:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mohinders dreams were caused by the boy that can manipulate dreams, however Peter's seem to physically affect him and to come from him. He has clairvoyant abilities, but I wouldn't say solely that. He was always advertised as the "dreamer" and he is. I'd say he has hypersensitivity, as I've mentioned previously, thus linking both his apparent abilities. All characters naturally only have one power, but those powers can be used for different outcomes, for instance Hiro's ability to teleport and freeze time with the same ability. Jacobshaven3 01:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter the Empath 

message: Because he didn't attempt to escape his confinements earlier in the episode Fallout, I'm led to believe Sylar was only able to drag Eden through the glass because of her gun.  In prior scenes, Mr. Bennett is seen bringing food in and placing it in a non-metal tray.  The sink, toilet and bed in his cell are also lacking any metal parts.  In older episodes, Sylar's victims are shown impaled by knives and a metal chair. When Sylar is cornered by agent Hanson, the gun is again the focal point of his power when he tries to turn it on her. --Dorkeugene 15:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar's telekinesis really magnetism? 

message: List of Heroes contains the names of a lot of characters that have only been hinted at in the series; however, they have been hinted at or mentioned in passing, so they might be notable enough to include here. If this merge proposal fails, the article will be nominated for AfD instead. Kafziel Talk 19:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had the same discussion at Talk:Heroes (TV series). Turning an article into a redirect without discussion and without merging information isn't okay. Since this article is not completely redundant, we need to decide how much (if any) of the information is relevant. I'm not saying the minor characters on List of Heroes are even notable, but it should be discussed. I started the discussion on the creator's talk page before any of this other stuff happened. I'm just trying to give a new-ish user a break and a chance to have some input before we dump his contributions. What's the rush? Kafziel Talk 20:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i made this list so that people can see the heroes of this show instead of trying to find them on the list of characters. this list took about an hour to do and it shows a quick way to finding the heroes.LeafGreen Ranger Talk 8:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: She doesn't have a major role in any way, and Ando has been in pretty much every episode and is considered minor.  What's the deal with this?128.220.159.42 07:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be Ando upgraded rather than Simone downgraded. Both are main characters in their own right, and are featured in almost all episodes. They both seem more involved in the action than Mohinder, and both were visible in the final dream of Peters, so I'd say both should be classified as main. Jacobshaven3 09:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't make the rules, or those kinds of decisions. Also, I could have sworn Mohinder was in the dream briefly, as were all main characters. Ando's status is also still debatable. He's basically Hiro's sidekick. He's bound to be where Hiro is and Hiro was there because he was a main character. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 10:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The deal is the the The NBC Heroes Cast Page lists Simone among the 10 cast members (an NBC press release upgraded Mr. Benett to being a main cast member as of Episode 11), but Ando is not among the main cast.  The way the show is written, guest and recurring characters often have more screen time than main characters.  For this reason, some editors argued that Eden should be listed as a main character in this article -- but then she was killed off in this week's episode.  It may be that Ando will return home after all the Heroes begin working as a team and Simone will begin playing a larger role.  Obviously, we don't know what the writer's plans are, but the presumption is that they designated certain characters as being among the main cast for reasons that will become apparent in time. Primogen 14:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simone as a main character? 

message: Stating that certain characters have No powers is speculative. It was originally posted Eden had no powers, and that was proved wrong. None Known shows that they currently have no known powers, but doesn't make casual readers of the article think that they don't have powers in general. For instance, Nikki may well have a mediumship power, enabling her to passively channel her dead sister, thus explaining how she can speak to her split personality. Also, so far families (especially of the same generation) with a hero in them all have an ability. E.g. Peter and Nathan, D.L. and Nikki (and Jessica) and Micah. Claire's mother (since she died in custody) and Claire. Since Mohinder's sister was "special" it's highly probably he will exhibit a power at some point. Although all of this is speculation, I'm not saying put "Unknown Power", I'm saying, put "None Known", which removes any speculation at all. Currently, by reverting my edit's, you are being spculative and presuming that they definately have no power. Especially since it is being shown possible that Mr Bennet is using the Haitian as a cover for his own power negating abilities, rather than the Haitian having that power and the ability to remove memories. (yes, once again speculation, but still as probably as the assumption he definately has no power). Jacobshaven3 18:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're really taking this whole thing over Maddy's arguments at Talk:Micah Sanders too far. You know that, right? Anyway, Simone and Mohinder have been confirmed powerless in interviews, press releases, et cetera. Eden was assumed to be in the same boat, but being less than a main character, there was little insight from a reliable source. Also, your insistance on poor capitalization,—"None Known"? What is that? An episode title?—among other things, isn't helping your case. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, I over capitalize, I thought I was getting better. As for the whole Maddy's arguments, I don't get what you mean. I'm trying to make these Heroes articles as good and true to the programme as possible. If you have a problem with my editing style, please bring it up in my Talk page where I can properly address it rather than clogging up these talk pages. And I didn't realise that by having poor grammer skills I had a less viable opinion than anyone else, thanks for bringing it to my attention. (And yeah, everything on these talk pages is someone's opinion.). Jacobshaven3 23:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're proposing changes which seem to be an overzealous take on Madchester's position, that's all. The "Heroes project" and various articles are all in fairly good shape. While there's room for improvement, I doubt qualifiers like "Known" will do it. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The changes you are proposing are impossible to implement if you look beyond the main table. Would we list Zach, Audrey, Jackie, Tina or "miscellaneous cafe diner eaters" as having "none known" powers? The simplified version of the argument is "how can you prove that they don't have powers?" which is an argument from ignorance. Even if the characters display no powers for twenty years the listing would need to remain as unknown or none known because it can not be proved they don't have powers, even though on the balance of probabilities and common sense it could be assumed they don't have powers. As there is no proof that any of them have powers to begin with (burden of proof) it should remain listed as none until information is released that implies that they have abilities. –– Lid(Talk) 06:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  None vs. None Known 

message: Since we're including some characters that have appeared only once or twice, should we also include the Homeland Security/FBI agent played by Stacey Haiduk in two episodes. The character seems to be depicted as something of a "nemesis" for Audrey Hansen and Matt Parkman. That said, does the character even have a name? IMDb just lists her as "FBI Agent" which might not even be correct as I thought she was referred to as Homeland Security? 23skidoo 15:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stacy Haiduk's character

message: Should we be referring to deceased characters in the past tense?  It's more common, when describing fiction, to use the present tense throughout.--Trystan 16:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense 

message: When Hiro and Charlie first meet(before Hiro goes back in time to save her)dose she know him from 6 months ago but pretends not to. If hiro goes back in time, she should still know him plus she said that she got a Japanese phrase book, which turns out to be from hiro. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.157.5.206 (talk) 18:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How, if and whether or not Hiro generates paradoxes has yet to be addressed in the series. ThuranX 18:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Charlie know Hiro when they "first" meet. 

message: An anonymous addition of Mr. Linderman a.k.a. Claude was removed today. Is this because it's an unsubstantiated rumor, or because the character has not yet appeared on the show? LeaHazel : talk : contribs 10:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am fairly certain that it is because it was insanely speculative. Funny, but without any proven basis in reality. WookMuff 10:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't even think they were basing it on Claude. GIPUs are just idiots sometimes. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Linderman  

message: a recent edit tried to add some ridiculously small characters, and was properly reverted. However, characters like Brody Mithcum, or Charles Deveaux seem to be unneeded, esp. as one's dead, and thus, unlikely to return unless a new character with the powers of a medium is introduced. Should we look to review this list, if not now during the hiatus, at least at the season's end? ThuranX 22:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many characters who might not return, but it's speculative at this time to they absolutely won't return.  Charles, Charlie, and Jackie are dead, but so are Suresh and Shanti who have been in Mohinder's dreams/visions.  Brady and Zach lost their memory, but so did Lyle and Sandra.  Molly was last seen in FBI protection, but she may or may not be now.  Tina ran from Jessica, but they may meet again.  Hank & Lisa might have been actors, or are they part of Mr. Bennet's organization?  I think by the end of the season we'll have a better idea of who is less likely to return next season (which in itself is likely but not confirmed).  My question is where should those characters go?  I don't think they should just be deleted as all the characters so far, major and minor, have had some importance to the season 1 plot. fmmarianicolon | Talk 22:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We may, inevitably, have to seperate the content into at least two pages again.  Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivial characters 

message: are you serious? we reference fictional characters myspace profiles now do we?
"Zach's MySpace profile describes him as an 18-year-old sophomore who is a Wiccan and unsure of his sexual orientation (although NBC has since stated that the character is heterosexual[23]), for which some of Claire's fellow cheerleaders tease him."
sure u gotta mention the gay thing, but quote some where remotely respectable for gods sake...
Time Magazine: http://time.blogs.com/tuned_in/2006/12/setting_heroes_.html
TV Guide: http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx?posting={C0A6A661-5EA8-4F30-BF05-CE9C2F22CAB3}
i mean my myspace profile lists me as a 1cm tall wiccan, and im a REAL PERSON.  ---Viva43 13:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Zach's MySpace page is a promotional website created and run by those behind the show.  It's as respectable and reputable as any other official site about the show.  --ΨΦorg 15:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that Viva's point was that people do not necessarily tell the truth on their myspace pages. Branfish 06:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but this isn't a normal Myspace page. This is a myspace page created by the writers of Heroes, and as such, it's just as official as any other website created by a tv shows creators. It's part of the shows story, even if it's not a major part. dposse 00:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I meant was that, even though the page is intended to be Zach's genuine MySpace page, that doesn't mean that the character necessarily told the truth on it. Branfish 01:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Referencing

message: === Lyle ===
"Only after Claire says that she would have to be taken away if her parents found out does Lyle finally exit the vehicle and grudgingly hand her the tape." - Claire doesn't actually say that she'll be taken away, she just says that they "wouldn't be a family any more".  While that could be interpreted as saying that they would be physically separated, it could just as easily have referred to an emotional separation.  Branfish 06:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Credits. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 17:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She's in the credits as "Texas Tina"? I'll have to review that on one of the online episodes. Anticrash / Talk 18:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha - as in live in Englisherland, I download the episodes from t'internet, so I don't see the credits. Branfish 01:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bran ideas

message: "Only after Claire says that she would have to be taken away if her parents found out does Lyle finally exit the vehicle and grudgingly hand her the tape." - Claire doesn't actually say that she'll be taken away, she just says that they "wouldn't be a family any more".  While that could be interpreted as saying that they would be physically separated, it could just as easily have referred to an emotional separation.  Branfish 06:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyle 

message: "She doubts Peter's story with an innocent explanation of the woman, but when Nathan confirms it in private, she believes him." - I don't know about anyone else, but I got the distinct impression that she didn't really believe him, and that he knew this.  I took the exchange in question as an unspoken agreement to put it behind them and not talk about it again.  I know this is speculation, but I think it is also speculation to state that she believes him.  I suggest altering the final clause of that sentence to read "she says she believes him" or something along those lines. Branfish 06:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heidi 

message: I don't recall her being referred to this in any episode.  I'm not saying she hasn't been, but if she hasn't, why is it mentioned here?  Could anybody give me a quote showing this nickname, or at least tell me which episode it's in? Branfish 08:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Credits. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 17:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She's in the credits as "Texas Tina"? I'll have to review that on one of the online episodes. Anticrash / Talk 18:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha - as in live in Englisherland, I download the episodes from t'internet, so I don't see the credits. Branfish 01:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Texas" Tina 

message: where'd his thumbnail go? ThuranX 01:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair use dispute issues. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I can't tell you the specifics as the dispute was deleted with the image, but the best on going example would be ":Image:Clairebennet.jpg". Something to do with improper sourcing, and maybe image ripping from a non-NBC source. It could be further complicated by Wikipedia's the whole "images of actors/people don't need to be fair use" thing. (Thus, the crappy images so many bios of living people have.) Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope someone can find a fairuse picture of it soon. dposse 17:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IsaacMendez image 

message: Shouldn't Sylar be under the Main Characters section?  After all, a lot of the story does revolve around him.  Several charactes, both minor and major, were killed or in some way affected by him, notably Eden and Jackie Wilcox.  Many of Mr. Bennet's actions were determined by Sylar.  Matt and Audrey spent a lot of time directly or indirectly involved in Sylar's murders, and so on and so forth.  I could think of a dozen more reasons, but don't have the time to list them.  --Arwen undomiel 05:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "main characters" section is based on an actor's status as a "fulltime cast member" or "season/series regular". Also, they all have articles, so it's easier to list them the that way. Sylar is by no means unimportant, but having been captured and restrained,—not to mention his limited appearances and Quinto's "guest star" crediting—he's not exactly "main". And before anyone brings up Simone yet again, let me just say that Tawny is a regular, and we don't make the rules. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

text: like ACS said "main" status is confired not by us as wiki editors but by the producers of the show.  So even though we may think that Sylar is a main character or that Simone is a wasted piece of script that doesn't mean the producers see it that way and to maintain NPOV we have to go by the official credits.  -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  07:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar 

message: Reverting edits by a somewhat misguided user today, I may have found a viable way of splitting the content. Would Non-powered characters of Heroes and Superhumans of Heroes be okay? While it's not really a good way to section the content on this page, it would cut the content in half and help readers find the type of character they're looking for easier. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure a split is necessary right now. This article is a fairly reasonable length, especially when compared with ones such List of characters from The Sopranos - Friends and Family. Perhaps after the first season is over we should revisit the idea of splitting the article. SuperMachine 23:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd agree with SuperMachine - the article size doesn't warrant splitting the content into two separate articles. A split would actually make it more difficult for casual readers to find a specific character, especially if they don't know whether or not the character has powers. On a related note, be careful not to bite the newbies - there's no reason to label Hiro Dynoslayer as "somewhat misguided". While his/her bio entries needed some work, the first edit here (using section headers to divide powered and unpowered minor characters) was actually a pretty good idea that is worth considering. --Ckatzchatspy 23:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're joking, right? It's pointless to divide them like that in one article. It just makes more header TOC clutter. Plus, the user thought "Sylar" was a redirect, among others. "Misguided" was putting it nicely. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than just saying "it's pointless" - could you explain WHY you think it isn't worthwhile? One extra entry in the TOC, when there are already almost thirty entries, hardly constitutes "clutter". I looked at the edit, and found it to be a clear, simple way of keeping all of the minor characters in one place, while quickly and easily identifying which ones were powered and which ones were not. I'd prefer to discuss the idea, and see what the group thinks, rather than just dismissing it outright. --Ckatzchatspy 00:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fine in princible, I guess, but it seems kinda meaningless with all the characters on one page anyway. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Inevitably, the page will have to end up split again.  Just because the Sopranos page is long doesn't mean we have to wait that long before splitting.  The question for me is whether Non-powered / Superhuman will cause less edit-warring than the Major / Minor split did (with Simone, Ando and Sylar).  Thinking back through the first part of the season, had the Non-powered / Superhuman split existed instead of Major / Minor, there might be more edit warring.  Did Micah have a power or was he just a genius?  Did Eden have a power?  Was it Mohinder who had the visions or (as we later find out) Sanjog?  On a side note, waiting until the season's end in May will provide us a better idea of how to split the page. fmmarianicolon | Talk 19:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If the split occurs as non-powered / superpowered, I don't see a problem with each of the two pages still having the status division as it is currently (main at the top, recurring below).  fmmarianicolon | Talk 02:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Lame and amateurish. We're not a fansite. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Aww man...okay. Supe, you make some good points. I suppose this little proposal of mine has been denied. Aw well.  If worse comes to worst, we can always separate by something different. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Separate by something different" as in..... Powered/Non-powered designated icons, perhaps? Anticrash / Talk 08:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How old are you? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 09:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Old enough to be adult and have a sense of humor about things when some people choose to be condescending and elitist. I could care less if you differentiate between Powered and Non-powered characters, but don't try and demean me for offering my input. Anticrash / Talk 03:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split proposal 

message: Can someone either edit this image or create a new one of the same dimensions as the others, and upload and link it, so as to maintain integrity of design and alignments? Thank you. ThuranX 02:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll take care of it.. I put up a lot of streamlined images for other characters already (including Eden) so I'll put up another pic for her. What happened to the one that was there before? Did I forget to source it? Anticrash / Talk 16:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect so. There seems to be a large wave of legelists cascading over wiki pately, doing big image reverts and removals to protect copyrights or just remove unlabelled images. it's a pain in the rear, but at least at the end wiki won't have to go through it again. I  hope. ThuranX 20:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Eden McCain image 

message: Who is the main character?  --theDemonHog 03:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are actually twelve main characters. Are you asking about the actor that plays a particular character, or about which of the twelve is the "main" main character? Anticrash / Talk 03:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main "main."  --theDemonHog 03:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say Peter Petrelli is the main protagonist. He seems to have the most important role in saving the world. Anticrash / Talk 04:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a forum, guys. Anti, your intentions are good, but questions such as this should be generally decouraged. Furthermore, it might not be best to response with idle speculation, supposition or original research. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Hog, how does your question relate to improving- no...even editing the article? Any encyclopedic information you would need should be in the article. As a role of thumb, if no character is stated to be "the protagonist", there probably isn't one. (Also, it's "Heroes", not "Hero".) Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your help, Ace Class Shadow.  I do know that the show is called Heroes, and my question could potentially help "impriving" and "editting" this article.  For the casual reader, it is important to know who the main character is.  I now know that this show does not have a main character, which is unheard of.  --theDemonHog 19:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just thought I'd add that lots of television series have no "main" character. An example is "Charmed" which have three, or Roswell, Lost, Desperate Housewives etc. Jacobshaven3 20:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lost's main character is Jack, though not by much, and Desperate Housewives' Teri Hatcher gets paid more and has her name at the top of the credits.  --theDemonHog 21:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, this is not a forum, guys. Hog, you can be incivil if you want, but the bottomline is that you asked a question with no obvious encyclopedic value. Your intentions are debatable, as you're just now saying "I was only trying to improve the article!" (I'll disregard the implication that we needed you to realize and write up who the supposed "main main character" is.) Also, a biased perception—in this case, that TV series usually/always have one clear protagonist—isn't the best basis for question, as this is, once again, not a forum. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I apologize.  You can remove this section if you want (as it says at the top).  --theDemonHog 03:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No big. I don't think this is really a stain on the page, so I see no reason to remove it at the moment. I would like to gladly consider this discussion closed. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main character 

message: I suggest that this page be moved to Characters of Heroes or Characters in Heroes like Characters of Lost.  A list is more like List of Prison Break characters and List of characters in 24.  --theDemonHog 20:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that it really makes that much of a difference. What we have here is still a "list," even if its not like the Prison Break or 24 lists, but a list nonetheless. Though I do see your point, and how it would streamline the formats of similarly titled articles. But, I just think it's unnecessary. Besides, Characters of Heroes already redirects here. Anticrash / Talk 21:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: List of is usually the preferred format lately. I'd instead suggest posting to those pages about their titles, or just wait around till the adminds get a series of AfD- Renames about the whole lot.ThuranX 21:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: Whoever placed those new pictures there in the list, thank you! It seriously makes this article jump, in a good way. It's very impressive. Great job, guys!! dposse 21:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, kind sir. The page was due for an image rehash, since most of those older pictures were so diminutive. I appreciate the feedback.   Anticrash  talk  21:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beautiful job! 

message: == Hana Gitelman ==
The latest online comic has introduced a new female character, IDF lieutenant Hana Gitelman. The comic says that this is the first of a four part series about Hana, and she will be on the show. I think she should be added to the list of characters, even though she hasn't appeared in an episode yet. If people want to wait 2-3 weeks for other comics that's OK too. --Stabbey 21:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's just describe what it does. For better or worse, Madchester has a point that "technopathy" is label and not necessarily one we can verifiably use. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I only mentioned Technopathy because part of the description for it read "a special form of ESP that allows for mental interface with computer data." I agree Technopathy is too vague to be used. I'm thinking "Electronic Communication", although that doesn't sound quite right. --Stabbey 22:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cyberpathy, is the term used to describe her power, though since I've not found a reliable third party reference to this, Electric Communication seems like a good enough description.Jacobshaven3 17:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Sounds good Jacobshaven3 03:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Would be a good idea. Even though she's not a main character(yet?) in the series, she has her own miniseries in the graphic novels, which should make her prominent enough to have her own page. PureSoldier 03:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Heroes graphic novels. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Could you be more specific? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. Some of the characters listed in this article only appear in one episode.  Therefore, there really is no point in listing them.  These characters include Molly Walker and Charlie Andrews.  hippi ippi 01:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Charlie Andrews appeared in two episodes. PureSoldier 01:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Hippi, importance can't be based solely on episodes. Furthermore, I don't think removal is the answer. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look through the talk page and archives, this topic has been raised before. The general consensus is to wait till the end of the season, then prune the list. It's likely that characters like Charles Deveaux will be dropped, but that others, like Charlie, who provided the impetus for a major change in Hiro, from bumbling tourist to dedicated hero, will stay. ThuranX 12:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   Speaking of Charles Deveaux, I noticed that Peter exhibited similar dreams in a few episodes as the one Charles described.  I wonder if this might not be a power that was otherwise left ignored.  Azselendor 22:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Doesn't every character, no matter how "minor" affect each lead in some way?  If not for Molly Walker, then Matt Parkman wouldn't be considered for FBI.  PureSoldier 14:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Charlie appeared in at least two or three episodes, not just one.  --Milo H Minderbinder 14:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Why do we need to "crop" the list? Molly, as well as a big pot device, could well become a Hero later in the series. Many tv series have just lists of characters witha entence description, I think that would be better than selectively choosing which ones we think are more important, screams NPOV and OR to me. Jacobshaven3 14:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just touching on Molly, in one interview (Either one of the Wizards interviews from the past week or the podcast (Micah ref. on main article)) the writer being interviewed noted that Molly is currently in a safe place and will return later on.  The writers are just looking for an appropriate place to bring back her character into the plot. When the page is split later on or at the end of the season, the lists will be short enough again to retain the characters with smaller parts like Hank & Lisa and Charles.  fmmarianicolon | Talk 16:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, they were asked a question. Their answer was non-commital and by no means the first indication that Molly "will" return. I believe the words '"may" or "might" were used. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct, I apologize.  - fmmarianicolon | Talk 22:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I forgot a / symbol, anyhow... since I'm against removing stuff in Talk just mentioning it's fixed now...Jacobshaven3 02:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That's speculation, leave it out. PureSoldier 04:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's at least as supported as the assertion that Sylar somehow was resistant to her power (despite being affected in a previous episode). Perhaps something along the lines of "Her power failed to affect him. This could either have been due to poor phrasing, or due to Sylar being able to resist it."?StaffanBaloo 04:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's best just to put what happened, not why it could have happened.  Wiki's an encyclopedia, and you don't see Britanica saying, "He could have killed him this way, but no one's sure."  The real reason might be supported later on, and you don't want to state possibilities.PureSoldier 04:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In which case it should probably be something along the lines of "goes to his cell to persuade him to commit suicide, but fails when she is attacked telekinetically etc. (continued as the article currently stands). Neither mentioning resistance nor phrasing. StaffanBaloo 04:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good. PureSoldier 04:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks, ThuranX!  I know many were tired of people beating the dead horse, so hopefully the citations will help us bury this Mister Ed.  - fmmarianicolon | Talk 04:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe, I don't think it was intentional but i love the mixed metaphor of beating a dead horse then burying it :) Kudos on the citations WookMuff 05:25, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Not that I can recall, and I don't think that means anything in Indian. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: "Claude, played by Christopher Eccleston, is a hero with the power of invisibility. He first appears in the episode "Godsend" during one of Peter's dreams".
I think he actually appeared for a brief moment in Peter's dream at the end of the episode before "Godsend". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kvaks (talk • contribs) 07:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I just checked that episode (I'm presuming you mean Fallout (Heroes)), and I might have missed it but I don't think he's seen in it. I know he's in the expanded vision in Godsend, but I can't see him at all in the Fallout vision. Jacobshaven3 11:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. Sorry about wasting your time. --Kvaks 03:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Check out Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Characters. He's offically listed as a guest star and not of the main cast. dposse 16:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Hana Gitelman has a summary in this article and her own article. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 02:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Formerly in Archive 4

message: The latest online comic has introduced a new female character, IDF lieutenant Hana Gitelman. The comic says that this is the first of a four part series about Hana, and she will be on the show. I think she should be added to the list of characters, even though she hasn't appeared in an episode yet. If people want to wait 2-3 weeks for other comics that's OK too. --Stabbey 21:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's just describe what it does. For better or worse, Madchester has a point that "technopathy" is label and not necessarily one we can verifiably use. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I only mentioned Technopathy because part of the description for it read "a special form of ESP that allows for mental interface with computer data." I agree Technopathy is too vague to be used. I'm thinking "Electronic Communication", although that doesn't sound quite right. --Stabbey 22:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cyberpathy, is the term used to describe her power, though since I've not found a reliable third party reference to this, Electric Communication seems like a good enough description.Jacobshaven3 17:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hana Gitelman 

message: Hey. Ace here. Now, I know I could be bold and just do it, but I wanted to run my intentions by others first. I was thinking Hana Gitelman could be split off into her own article. As usual, this is an informal proposal and there's no real deadline. Still, I'd like to do it sometime soon, obviously. Thoughts? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good Jacobshaven3 03:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Would be a good idea. Even though she's not a main character(yet?) in the series, she has her own miniseries in the graphic novels, which should make her prominent enough to have her own page. PureSoldier 03:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hana split 

message: I just watched said episode where Claire drives Brody's car into the wall.  Brody's character description says Clarie pulls him out before the car explodes and he sees this, but is this accurate?  I just watched the episode via iTunes and did not see any of that at all, only them waking up in the hospital.
70.247.84.54 05:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heroes graphic novels. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarie pulling Brody's body out of the car? 

message: Some of the charaters listed here are very minor and are likely not to appear on the show again.  I suggest they be removed from the article.
hippi ippi 11:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you be more specific? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. Some of the characters listed in this article only appear in one episode.  Therefore, there really is no point in listing them.  These characters include Molly Walker and Charlie Andrews.  hippi ippi 01:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Charlie Andrews appeared in two episodes. PureSoldier 01:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Hippi, importance can't be based solely on episodes. Furthermore, I don't think removal is the answer. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look through the talk page and archives, this topic has been raised before. The general consensus is to wait till the end of the season, then prune the list. It's likely that characters like Charles Deveaux will be dropped, but that others, like Charlie, who provided the impetus for a major change in Hiro, from bumbling tourist to dedicated hero, will stay. ThuranX 12:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   Speaking of Charles Deveaux, I noticed that Peter exhibited similar dreams in a few episodes as the one Charles described.  I wonder if this might not be a power that was otherwise left ignored.  Azselendor 22:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Doesn't every character, no matter how "minor" affect each lead in some way?  If not for Molly Walker, then Matt Parkman wouldn't be considered for FBI.  PureSoldier 14:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Charlie appeared in at least two or three episodes, not just one.  --Milo H Minderbinder 14:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Why do we need to "crop" the list? Molly, as well as a big pot device, could well become a Hero later in the series. Many tv series have just lists of characters witha entence description, I think that would be better than selectively choosing which ones we think are more important, screams NPOV and OR to me. Jacobshaven3 14:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just touching on Molly, in one interview (Either one of the Wizards interviews from the past week or the podcast (Micah ref. on main article)) the writer being interviewed noted that Molly is currently in a safe place and will return later on.  The writers are just looking for an appropriate place to bring back her character into the plot. When the page is split later on or at the end of the season, the lists will be short enough again to retain the characters with smaller parts like Hank & Lisa and Charles.  fmmarianicolon | Talk 16:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, they were asked a question. Their answer was non-commital and by no means the first indication that Molly "will" return. I believe the words '"may" or "might" were used. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct, I apologize.  - fmmarianicolon | Talk 22:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Characters Unnecessary for Article 

message: I can't find Micah on the article. His details are all edited in correctly, but he's not coming up... I think I messed up, but for the life of me can't see where. It's also saying Peter has technopathy, even though that is under Micah's in the edit. It could be my computer and everyone elses showing up fine, but I thought I'd let people know. Jacobshaven3 02:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I forgot a / symbol, anyhow... since I'm against removing stuff in Talk just mentioning it's fixed now...Jacobshaven3 02:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Micah 

message: I don't know if it's notable, and it's probably not something to be put on the page until next week at least, but in the Global TV next episode preview, he says "Fantastic!  You're one of those..." sarcastically to Peter when he releases he has powers.  It seems like this might be an intentional nod to his portrayal of Doctor Who (it was sort of his catchphrase, even more so than Tennant's I'm So Sorry bit) Webrunner 17:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claude and Doctor Who 

message: I added an alternate interpretation of how Sylar was able to seemingly ignore Eden's command to commit suicide. Eden told him "I'm going to put this gun in the box, send it to you, and then you will shoot yourself." By attacking her before she put the gun in the box, he could have been able to loophole his way out of the command. StaffanBaloo 04:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's speculation, leave it out. PureSoldier 04:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's at least as supported as the assertion that Sylar somehow was resistant to her power (despite being affected in a previous episode). Perhaps something along the lines of "Her power failed to affect him. This could either have been due to poor phrasing, or due to Sylar being able to resist it."?StaffanBaloo 04:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's best just to put what happened, not why it could have happened.  Wiki's an encyclopedia, and you don't see Britanica saying, "He could have killed him this way, but no one's sure."  The real reason might be supported later on, and you don't want to state possibilities.PureSoldier 04:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In which case it should probably be something along the lines of "goes to his cell to persuade him to commit suicide, but fails when she is attacked telekinetically etc. (continued as the article currently stands). Neither mentioning resistance nor phrasing. StaffanBaloo 04:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good. PureSoldier 04:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eden's death 

message: Hey. Ace here. Just a few notes for those who might have missed some of the recent changes. I've created WikiProject Heroes. (Feel free to join.) I've archived the content once at Talk:Minor characters of heroes and listed it above. I've split off Ted Sprague into his own article. (I know, I know; "About time, ACS!") That's all, I think. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: I'd like to take a moment here to recognize Fmmarianicolon, who went above and beyond in finally settling the homosexuality issues surrounding Zach by finding cites for the story, so we can include it here. Great job, Fmmariancolon! ThuranX 02:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, ThuranX!  I know many were tired of people beating the dead horse, so hopefully the citations will help us bury this Mister Ed.  - fmmarianicolon | Talk 04:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe, I don't think it was intentional but i love the mixed metaphor of beating a dead horse then burying it :) Kudos on the citations WookMuff 05:25, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editor Recognition 

message: I don't remember this, but wanted to ask before reverting:  was Sanjog referred to as "Campitos" in Homecoming? - fmmarianicolon | Talk 22:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I can recall, and I don't think that means anything in Indian. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sanjog / Campitos 

message: The article currently reads
:"Claude, played by Christopher Eccleston, is a hero with the power of invisibility. He first appears in the episode "Godsend" during one of Peter's dreams".
I think he actually appeared for a brief moment in Peter's dream at the end of the episode before "Godsend". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kvaks (talk • contribs) 07:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just checked that episode (I'm presuming you mean Fallout (Heroes)), and I might have missed it but I don't think he's seen in it. I know he's in the expanded vision in Godsend, but I can't see him at all in the Fallout vision. Jacobshaven3 11:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. Sorry about wasting your time. --Kvaks 03:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Check out Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Characters. He's offically listed as a guest star and not of the main cast. dposse 16:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claude 

message: I didn't see her her sneak peek during Deal or No Deal that night. I see I'm not the only one. Does anybody have info on her? Just thought maybe we wouldn't be able to because it's a spoiler? IronMan54 02:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hana Gitelman has a summary in this article and her own article. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 02:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wi-Fi Lady?