Talk:List of U.S. states by date of admission to the Union

message: I just reverted the edit by  that added the rather questionable link Tennessee Department of State.  Probably a typo, but thought it best to let the original editor fix it. YBG (talk)
:I have undone your edit. It wasn't necessary to undo several edits of mine when the editing error was made in the most recent of those edits. In undoing your revert I corrected my earlier error. Inspite of the confusion, thanks for your vigilance. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 05:06, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! I wasn't paying real close attention and didn't realize I was reverting multiple edits. Thanks for understanding and WP:AGF. YBG (talk) 06:21, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  TN or NJ? 

message: I believe the dates given in this article for the original 13 are wrong, because the United States of America was created by the ratification of the Articles of Confederation.  The 13 states ratified the Articles from 1777 to 1779; see Articles of Confederation#Ratification.  The later ratification was that of a new constitution for the same United States.  I modified the current article without changing the list, by adding a sentence that one can say the dates of admission are the dates of ratifying the Articles.  I leave it to others to decide whether one date should be preferred; for instance, scholars of the subject can determine what, if any, is the consensus of expert opinion.  One solution might be to list the Articles dates in parentheses for the original 13.  Zaslav (talk) 01:55, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Zaslav, while the question, "when did the original 13 states become states", doesn't have a clear black or white answer, the given statehood dates for the original 13 states are correct, as the citations beside each will confirm. Even though each became a state upon declaring independence from Gt. Britain, and became part of the first Union of states upon ratifying the Articles of Confederation, between 1777-81, the statehood date for each has historically been given as the date they ratified the 1787 Constitution, thus joining the 2nd federal Union of states. Thus, adding the date each ratified the AoC to this table would be pointless, as it's irrelevant. Drdpw (talk) 03:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates for the 13 Colonies 

message: I've added a second table to the article listing the date each of the original 13 states ratified the Articles of Confederation. I've put the list after the existing table, even though the AoC preceded the Constitution, because the main focus of this article is on when the 50 states joined the present federal Union as established by the 1787 Constitution (making it of secondary importance). Drdpw (talk) 21:01, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  New table added 

message: This list misleads the reader by failing to make the list of the first thirteen separate from the rest.
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What the first thirteen did by ratifying the Constitution was quite a different thing from what the later ones did. They were individually named in the Constitution as states that could become members by ratifying it. They others had to ask Congress to admit them, and Congress had discretion in the matter, and did not admit all that applied. And the first eight that ratified the Constitution did not thereby become members until nine had ratified it. Michael Hardy (talk) 03:05, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference between the original 13 states and the subsequent 37 states regarding statehood is detailed in the introduction. This list is not in any way misleading, in fact, it's formatted the same way as the vast majority of 50-state statehood lists are. Drdpw (talk) 03:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: @Drdpw You missed his point: "And the first eight that ratified the Constitution did not thereby become members until nine had ratified it."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.11.36.194 (talk) 05:07, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: When the Constitution became established between the states so ratifying the same is a separate matter from when the original 13 states joined the Union. The first eight and the final five of the 13 each became a member on the date of their ratification. Drdpw (talk) 06:20, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first thirteen versus the rest 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: California was not created from "unorganized territory". While true that, due to arguments over slavery, the U.S. itself never formally organized California into a territory prior statehood. California was created from the formerly Mexican province of Alta California. Prior to 1804,  along with the Baja California peninsula had previously comprised the province of Las Californias, but was split off into a separate province until 1804 when New Spain formally established . It became  after the Mexican War of Independence. In the 1836 Siete Leyes government reorganization, the two Californias were once again combined into a single departamento. That merge was undone in October 1845, just before the start of the Mexican-American War.  included all of the modern US states of California, Nevada and Utah, and parts of Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado and New Mexico. The government of  remained consistent under several military governors of California, starting with Cdre. John Drake Sloat who claimed California for the United States, and was relieved by Cdre.  Robert F. Stockton who actually deposed the last Mexican governor Pío Pico, who was followed by Gen. Stephen W. Kearny, Gen. Richard Barnes Mason, Gen. Persifor Frazer Smith, and Gen. Bennet C. Riley, who, following the California Constitutional Convention, was replaced by California's first elected Governor Peter Hardeman Burnett who then became the state of California's first Governor upon California's admission into statehood as part of the Compromise of 1850 where the remainder of  was split into the Utah Territory and New Mexico Territory.
Therefore it is my contention that using the moniker "Unorganized Territory" next to California is de facto incorrect if even de jure correct because no Organic Act was passed by the U.S. Congress. scooteristi (talk) 16:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As the U.S. Federal Government never formally organized California into a territory prior statehood, the Mexican Cession region was officially "Unorganized Territory" until September 9 1850, when it was organized: split in to Utah Territory and New Mexico Territory, and one portion was admitted as the state of California. This is why the label "Unorganized Territory" next to California is appropriate next to California. That said, I See your point that the government of the U.S. state of California was a direct successor to the government of the Mexican province of Alta California. Therefore, what I have done is to change the label to state "Unorganized territoryMexican Cession" and to add a reference-note staring "Most of the region ceded by Mexico to the United States in 1848, following the Mexican–American War, had been the Mexican Department of Alta California. The Act of Congress establishing California as the 31st state was part of the Compromise of 1850." I believe that this represents a good middle ground and hope you do too. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 23:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  California 

message: Shouldn't the 2nd sentence in the 2nd paragraph read "They possess all powers not exclusively granted to the federal government, nor prohibited to them by the Constitution of the United States."  with the word exclusively added? Several powers are shared by states and the federal government.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.130.231.222 (talk) 14:25, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about accuracy of 2nd paragraph