Talk:Lee Harding

message: Location: Melbourne. Source: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17190356-29279,00.html - Trevor Peacock 00:24, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shez 

message: Lee harding is not punk rock GRRRRRRRRRR he is either pop-rock or punk-pop —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.7.176.133 (talk • contribs) .
:Whilst I agree 100% with your statement, unfortunately the general public has developed a different interpretation of 'punk rock'. I've changed it to pop punk, which I feel is a more acurate description. Cnwb 23:53, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  pop 

message: Cheers. If you wanted to get technical you could call him new age punk. (as opposed to true punk aka Sex Pistols, Clash). But pop-punk is pretty accurate so I'd stick to that at least untill the fad of this years idol wears off. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.7.176.133 (talk • contribs) .
:What's 'new age punk'? And how is it different from pop punk? There's no Wikipedia entry on it, but perhaps there should be, if it's a distinctive sub-genre. I try to not get upset about people like Lee Harding defining themselves as 'punk' - it's an argument that dates back to punk's birth. He's no GG Allin, but then some people claim The Clash were nothing more than a pub rock band who absorbed the politics of the day. At best, Harding (and all the Idols) are merely glorified karaoke performers. Except Casey. And Chanel. Cnwb 00:33, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. There's definitely a distinction between new wave and new age. I thought you were talking about new age punk as some kind of distinct phenomenon, as in - punks who get into dreamcatchers or something. But you're just pointing to the distinction between the School of '77 and the current bands - in which case, pop punk (if you read the opening passage) fist perfectly. Cnwb 22:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheers 

message: There is no element of punk in Lee Hardings music at all, just because the tempo is quick does not make it punk, it is only a term used by his fans & record company to sell him to a more serious audience. Green Day are ceratinly pop punk, but they write their music & play their instruments.(Khan 00:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give us your definition of 'punk'? I think that in today's context, 'punk' is just a marketing term (whether we approve of this or not). It's meaning has changed since 1977. To say that Lee Harding is not 'punk' with respect to, say, The Clash, is like your parents saying the White Stripes aren't rock n' roll, because they sound nothing like Elvis. Don't get me wrong - I detest Lee Harding, but I'm fighting to keep this article, as far as I see it, accurate. Cnwb 04:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop Punk

message: What the hell is this article? it's full of POVs, unreferenced and reads like a music biz bio.
I agree, I dont even know why the loser has an article about him, he sounds & looks like a male Nikki Webster with a lot less talent.(Khanada 02:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this? 

message: Although I do agree with this sections content the words "it is easy to see why he" are not typical of an encyclopedia and should be changed.(Khanada 01:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed. I don't think anyone remembers him enough to criticise. Here it is if someone wants to improve and reinstate it. --Aioth 09:18, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: The image that Lee Harding has come to associate himself with has come under fire from many aspects of the music community, and the consumer public in general. Fans of punk rock music accuse Lee of being ignorant of what punk really is, and simply marketing himself in a watered-down version suitable for viewers of Australia Idol. Examples of this are evident in many of Harding's songs. Tracks such as his single 'Wasabi,' 'Just Another Love Song,' and 'Anything For You,' all obviously about girls, do not exemplify punk ideology. For example, songs by renowned punk rock bands such as the Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, or The Casualties normally deal with political issues, such as the Dead Kennedys 'Holiday in Cambodia' or the Sex Pistols 'Anarchy in the UK,' considering that bands such as these are some of the biggest influences of the punk rock industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Aioth (talk • contribs) 
:I'm not sure what your point is, but you seem to be implying that because the late '70s-era punk bands did not sing about girls, and Lee Harding does sing about girls, he cannot therefore be considered 'punk'. As such, 'punk' has to fit within the tight boundaries established by the bands of the late '70s. This would, in itself, seem antithetical to what I consider 'punk' to be about. But aside from this, you are also inferring that there is a perceptible critical backlash that warrants inclusion in this article. If you can cite sources, I don't see why we can't look at including such criticisms. Cnwb 10:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: Calling Lee Harding's Album Sales "poor" in "Australian Idol standards" (as currently written on the article) is silly. The justification for this statement compares Harding's sales with those of the eventual winner Kate DeRaugo - well duh of course she is going to outsell him - she won! It would be fairer to compare him to non-winners, or if you must include winners, compare him to ALL of the competitors. How many people actually released albums out of the top twelve in any given series? Selling ANY albums puts him in the top 25% of australian idol competitors if you look at it that way
:Okay, I've changed the analogy to Shannon Noll and Anthony Callea instead, as they were finalists rather than winners.  I don't know how to obtain the actual sales figures though, so I would appreciate if someone could plug those in, please. --irrevenant [ talk ] 10:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Album Sales 

message: Shouldn't there be a disambiguation page for Lee Harding the Science Fiction Author?  Apparently there's already a page for him at Lee_Harding_(Australian_writer) --irrevenant [ talk ] 09:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Lee Harding the Sci Fi author? 

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