Talk:National Motorists Association

message: I moved this section to this discuss page because it is not clear if the following represents real events or offers or if it's just propaganda/advertising.
:Other business
:In the past, the NMA has organized "civil obedience days" where customers actually drove at the posted speed limit, although there is no known evidence that this had enough participants to cause any significant traffic impacts.
:It has also issued a "Highway Robbery Award" to entities that it claims have abused motorists. Most recently, the organization has issued a $10,000 challenge to communities that plan on installing traffic signal enforcement cameras under the belief that simple traffic engineering changes are more effective than cameras.
:The NMA operates a speedtrap registry and a roadblock registry where people can post the locations of known speed traps and road blocks.
:The NMA, in cooperation with GetMADD.com, is offering a $20,000 reward to anyone who can verify the claims of Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) regarding the number of people killed by drunk drivers.
Nova SS (talk) 02:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added some of this content back. It was trivial, to show that "the NMA operates a speedtrap registry...". For the citation, I just linked to the registry home page that attributes the NMA to it, but I suppose I could go ahead and look up the domain ownership info and link to that. It was similarly trivial to substantiate the statement regarding the $20,000 MADD statistics reward. I will clean up the citations shortly, but it's dinner time. --joeOnSunset (talk) 23:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And in further reading, I have a problem with the following statement in the article: "Because of this, it has customers, not members. Its customers do not have voting status. Regardless, some customers provide uncompensated labor to advance the corporation's legislative agenda. Some customers also provide uncompensated labor for the positions of State Chapter Coordinator or State Activist." Firstly, I am not aware of any definative source that says a for-profit corporation cannot have "members." If we visit the page of a national gym chain, we will read a similar admonition against calling its customers "members?" No, because a for-profit company can sell "memberships," and in English we call them just that. There is a similar argument to be made against the "uncompensated labor" term. I am aware that one or more editors are concerned that it is made clear that the NMA is not organized as a 501(3)(c) unlike the NMA Foundation. That can be made clear by making exactly such a statement. Discussion? --joeOnSunset (talk) 22:29, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Very well, I went ahead with those changes. --joeOnSunset (talk) 22:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need better documentation of these claimed "other business" items 

message: I've removed some of the recently added text from the main body, which was original research and/or uncited (e.g., describing the NMA Foundation's revenue as "meager", saying that the NMA obfuscates the difference between its for-profit and not-for-profit entities without a cite, etc). I've also edited the Corporate status/Foundation section so it has an NPOV tone while leaving the cited facts there, in tact. I've updated the reference to the Foundation mission statement to be the text currently published as the citation for the old mission statement was 404. --joeOnSunset (talk) 07:21, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: JoeOnSunset, thank you for your thorough audit and thoughtful feedback. Many of the citations on the page use the subject's own website as source material. Thing like "mission statement" are not appropriate, especially when single-sourced from the website in question. You're right, I probably removed a few things too speedily, and allowed my own opinion to seep into some of the writing. Please feel free to adjust it to a more neutral POV. Ambiguator (talk) 14:35, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corp status, foundation 

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message: You sure about that? These people hate bikes and other forms of transit. We know what fairly written looks like: the Netherlands.
Maybe you might not agree, but their advocating for "fairly written" traffic laws is not an objective truth. 73.228.112.44 (talk) 15:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia depends on reliable sources for its content. Can you provide any to support your view? HiLo48 (talk) 23:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traffic laws fairly written?