Talk:Peter Wherrett

message: I've semi-protected this page for 3 days as no citations were included to confirm the subject is deceased. Any claims that may be disputed about Mr. Wherrett will be subject to bioraphies of living persons policies. As such, any uncited information should be removed at once. --Moni3 (talk) 23:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, the information must come from a reliable source. I just checked the Sydney Morning Herald and they have not reported on Mr. Wherrett in the past 8 days. Do you have a reliable source that has been published to confirm this? The email is not sufficient. I apologize for the inconvenience, but this absolutely must be confirmed by the best 3rd party published source available. --Moni3 (talk) 23:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I understand your protest, but the policies of Wikipedia demand that a published source must confirm that an article subject is deceased. See this section of a BLP where an anonymous user edited an article to state someone had died who was in fact very alive. It may not make sense right now, but these are Wikipedia's policies, put in place by too many editors abusing the "anyone can edit" feature. --Moni3 (talk) 01:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

text: And I have removed the protection now that his death has been confirmed to allow new editors to contribute. -- Mattinbgn\talk 03:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 12:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection for claims of death 

message: :This was removed as it was presented unsourced. If any reliable sources can support some of this it will help.  -- Banjeboi 02:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly, that was added from the same IP address as was used to remove the death date from the article before it was verifiable. I'm a little surprised to see that added from that IP. Since I know who did the removal, I probably know who did the addition but I've been unable to contact them today to confirm it. If there is primary source documentation relating to the name changes, that IP editor will probably be in possession of it. I'm not familiar with OTRS but is such information able to be submitted that way? There is no way that anybody else can access the information within the NSW Births Deaths and Marriage Registry, as I emailed a question on that and the answer was no. From a primary source perspective, I can confirm the name change to Peta Wilson is true (around March 2008), and that special dispensation to return to birth name less than 12 months after a previous name change was given (around December 2008) based on terminal illness, not on possible marriage. For his family's sake, he wanted to die under his birth name. The marriage was only briefly canvassed after the terminal illness was known. I understand that a pre-nuptual agreement would have been part of that, as it was intended not to affect Peter's estate. He was still in love with Kim to the end, and marrying Lee was only intended to get his family to accept her.  --AliceJMarkham (talk) 07:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not terribly bothered one way or another. Regardless of what we write on this content it's likely to be tagged for sourcing. A possible solution would be to have one of those involved to write up on a webpage their version that we could then quote - according to _____. We're also not in a rush here so if they are in grief it can wait.  -- Banjeboi 10:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: The sentence beginning 'Angry at the lack of motorsport performance in his family's car...' makes no sense as it stands. How did his 'anger' earn Wherrett a job on a newspaper? Should the word be 'disappointed'? Is it implied that Wherrett was trying to make Australian motor car manufacturers aware of how dull the average family sedan was, and so he was invited to write a motoring column ? 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:B8EB:25EC:889F:2DCB (talk) 09:31, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angry about a car? 

message: I noticed that an ediitor had made a wholescale – and in my view radical change to this article:   changing all but one of the reference to “Peter Wherrett” to “Pip Wilson”, and changing the name of the article in the same way.
I contest the changes you have made – and I’m surprised that you did this unilaterally with no prior flagging of the changes, nor discussion.   You will, I expect, have noticed that similar changes had been made before  - and then reversed.
I imagine that your rationale for the change is that the person who the article refers to a) had a long established practice of cross-dressing in women’s clothing spent (noted in the article, and the book by the article’s subject), and; b) the reported fact of article’s subject spending most (but I understand not all) of their last several years of life living as a woman with the name Pip Wilson.
I emphasise the last point – most of the last two years of life – as my understanding is that the person concerned, towards the very end of life, reverted to the male persona of Peter Wherrett – doing so at the behest  of family members – and thus dying under the name Peter Wherrett.   You will see in the “talk” comments reference to this.
I do understand that the person under discussion, as noted above, and to quote the Seahorse Society obituary: “… lived full-time as a woman in the Lake Macquarie area for the last two years of her life, which she described as "my last great achievement".     Notwithstanding that, I contend that for the bulk of their life – and certainly with regard to all of the things for which the person is known – motoring journalism and motor racing – they were know as Peter Wherrett.   The persona Pip Wilsom was not know for any of those things  - so it is nonsensical for the article to state, for example, that
“.Wilson raced in the Bathurst endurance race in 1969 in a Mazda, in 1970 in a Ford Falcon, and in 1974 and 1976 in Alfa Romeos “or that “Wilson was also a pit reporter for Channel 7's coverage of the 1983 James Hardie 1000 at Bathurst.”
Pip Wilson did none of those things, Peter Wherrett did.
So, in the spirit of discussing major change first, I propose to revert the changes from Wherrett to Wilson.  Ian Smith (talk) 08:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In follow-up to my proposal above - to which there was no response or objection by any users - I proceeded with the changes.   I explained my changes.   User Georgia guy promptly reversed those changes - with no explanation.   I've reverted to my changed version, and stand by the argument for the change.   If Georgia guy wishes to discuss the arguments for/against the changes then I'd welcome that. Ian Smith (talk) 03:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes Wherett to Wilson 

message: Forgive me as I'm rather new to this, but there is another Pip Wilson who is a British Psychologist who is getting redirected to Peter Wherrett's article, is the correct procedure not to have a Disambiguation at the Pip Wilson page? This has been undone by @Eejit43 which was probably correct, but just trying to understand what is the correct course of action.
Thanks Wikijohnword (talk) 11:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as there WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, especially as the other Pip Wilson doesn't have an article around them, it isn't best to have a disambiguation page there. If notability is sufficiently established and an article is written, a hatnote can be placed at the top of this article. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 12:22, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect from Pip Wilson