Talk:24 (TV series)/Archive 3

message: I know all this merging seems stupid. But these are fictional characters on a stupid TV show no-one's heard of and they're really unimportant. There's no information except plot summaries. So please consider merging the characters, even Jack Bauer.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.253.178 (talk) 18:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging

message: I'm going to put it quite specifically that the series started in real time and at some point, especially in season notable in season five, that it isn't in real time.  For example, in the episode where Jack encounters Peter Weller's character, Christopher Henderson, for the first time Jack gets knocked out and then within seconds the frame the viewer sees is changed, Jack's position in the scene has changed and Christopher Henderson is popping a smelling salt tablet under Jack's nose, which is something that he could not have been able to do if the series was being shown in real time.  If it was in real time we would be seeing Henderson move Jack's body, locate the tablet, pull it out, position it under Jack's face, and then pop it.  We only saw Henderson knock out Jack and then see Henderson revive Jack.  We saw nothing in between and there was no commercial breaks.  These are objective facts.  The episodes are not guaranteed or purposed to run in real-time.
I'll also point out that there have been episodes, I cannot recall which or what season, where they end an episode at the end of an hour and the characters are at one setting in Los Angeles and at the beginning of the next episode the characters have arrived at CTU hq.  That the time stamps for arrival at hq and the setting that is far from hq are nearly identical despite the geographical disparity proves that the season is not guaranteed or purposed to run in real-time.  Someone make the changes accordingly.  I would but I lack the specific citations at hand and any changes I make will be reverted by some revert-happy fool.  I'm a fan of the show; I know that it is not set to run in real-time.  --Blue Spider (talk) 21:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the points you raised are just continuity errors which every TV show has. The basic premise of the show IS that it runs in real-time - that an hour-long episode depicts the events that happen over the course of one hour in the show's world, in chronological order. You might like to add the mistakes you've found to the IMDB which I think has an area for that sort of thing. I think it would only cause unnecessary confusion if it was added to this Wikipedia article.  --ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 09:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What you're discussing isn't supported by citations for the changesyoyu want to make. The show absolutely IS 'purported' to be in real time. We've had this discussion before, esp. regarding the commercial breaks and the compensations the production company makes to account for them, but the intent is to show real-time style storytelling as effectively as television allows. The consensus of editors here is for the article to reflect that, and I'm pretty sure we've got citations for it. Your examples to the contrary are 
your own Original Research, not cited facts, and even if you did find citations, the only articles I've seen on it are 'gotcha' type bloggings, fan writings, and grudges. You'd have to really search for a reliable source on the matter. ThuranX (talk) 11:58, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: objective proof that it is not real time

message: It seems to be a pattern, though I'm not sure about season 2-4 (haven't seen them yet)
In season 1, Elizabeth Nash broke the plan in a nervous breakdown or so, and in season 6 Lisa Miller could not hold back her feeling against the Russian spy - both times the plan failed, with an attack from the lady to the bad guy. Can this be included in the recurring plot devices? Not sure if it applies to other seasons, but just wanted to put it out there from the three seasons I've seen so far.
~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 09:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsuspecting women in a relationship with one of the antagonists recurring plot device? 

message: NPR was interviewing regarding the writer's strike yesterday, and they said that 24 season 7 will not air until 2009, that the filming will resume and the season be finished to preserve the actor's contracts, but that the season won't air till 2009. If someone can find a good online source, that would rock. ThuranX (talk) 03:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already seen official trailers, seems an odd one to hold off for upwards of nine months. Would need a source, and I'd be interested in reading it.Londo06 16:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Link to source  now added. Sad we'll have to wait another 12 months... The Seventh Taylor (talk) 21:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 7 

message: * Hyoscine-pentothal seems to be as noteworthy as many other fictional drugs which have Wikipedia pages. In particular, the difference from real pentothal and hyoscine needs to be pointed out, so people do not get into error. Anthony Appleyard 19:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hyoscine-pentothal

message: If it appeared in season 4, then what was the drug in season 3 when Tony had Richards inject some type of drug into her neck, and she tries to commit suicide on the needle by puncturing her artery. If I remember correctly, Tony asks how much more she wants to take, she says this is about it, so I infer, what she is taking is refering to pain. It appeared to have a similiar effect to Behrooz as Nina, which says that it is hyoscine-pentothal.--Lan Di (talk) 19:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre season 4?

message: Was this drug used in the TV series Chuck? Albmont (talk) 22:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chuck 

message: *This fictional drug is an important feature of the series, and needs more mention than one short sentence tucked into other matter. And to avoid confusion and misinformation the difference from real hyoscine and pentothal needs to be clearly explained. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Include this section or not?

message: Someone merged the Hyoscine-pentothal with this one and it was left in a bit of a mess (multiple reflists, etc). I have had to do serveral edit to tidy it up. ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 10:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Hyoscine-pentothal

message: Is there an equivalent template that can re-add that message that's supposed to say "This show is on a seasonal break or has not finished its broadcast run" like it did before?  It's under the subheading for season 7. --Addict 2006 02:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Template:In-progress TV show" 

message: * The article says "The real time of the show continues to roll during the commercials throughout the show, emphasizing the reality of the 24 hours of the season which the characters work.". But what are the commercial time-gaps filled with in the DVD version? Keeping the advertisements from the TV version would result in those advertisements becoming out-of-date as time passed with the DVD sitting in someone's drawer and being played from time to time. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, not quite sure what your point was with regards to the article? On DVD, there's nothing to replace the adverts so each episode runs for about 40 minutes.ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 19:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercial breaks on the DVD version 

message: Im pretty sure those aspects such as the 25th amendemant and the plane have been used in others movies and they are real so I doubt the writers even thought of the movie when they added those parts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.245.241.191 (talk) 02:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Took aspects from "Air Force One"?

message: There are some things wrong with this article that need to be changed for it to become a good or featured article:
*The part on the counter terrorism unit (CTU) needs to be put back (revert of vandalism)
*The following passages should be trimmed: the introduction, Recurring plot devices and Plot synopsis. 
:-  10:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The CTU part is already back in? ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 12:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To do 

message: Sorry, in the Recurring plot devices section I accidentally changed Defense to the UK English spelling (defence) which was incorrect on a US English page. But I also changed Practiced to Practised which is correct in this context in US English:
 "...his skills are being practiced" is incorrect
 "...he practises his skills" is incorrect
 "...his skills are being practised" is correct
 "...he practices his skills" is correct
I know it doesn't really matter but I thought I'd mention it here to be on the safe side. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 14:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, both practices and practiced are correct in US English.  Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 14:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct.  I noticed he added his UK-touch to Defence, so I changed both.  Tool2Die4 (talk) 14:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Practiced\Practised 

message: This section is chock-full of original research in the absence of citations, and I've tagged as such. Tool2Die4 (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recurring plot devices 

message: Under 'DVD releases' it says that the date for the 'Season One: Special Edition' is 'TBD'. What does this mean? Fenrisulfr talk 17:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "To be determined" I believe. ie. it has not been announced yet. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 09:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TBD 

message: Is it worth mentioning that the show is currently set pretty far into the future? It must be like 2018 or something by the time the next season starts, and it is unusual for a tv show like this to be set in the future too, might be worth pointing out. JayKeaton (talk) 20:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a good citation for it, feel free to add it. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 21:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, so it isn't set in the future? I thought it was pretty well known that the series jump for like years at a time in between. Are we talking about the same show? JayKeaton (talk) 22:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I get what you mean, but when there is no defined start date for the series, I would imagine it would be pretty difficult to define the current year the show inhabits.Mmm commentaries (talk) 02:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to a 24 Wikia article, Season 1 is set on Super Tuesday in 2002 (there are no citations to verify this though). I don't understand the US Presidency campaign process, but i understand that Super Tuesday is held early in the year. The gaps between shows are 18 Months (S1-S2), 3 years (S2-S3), 18 months (S3-S4), 18 months (S4-S5), 20 months (S5-S6) and 3½ years (S6-Redemption). I cannot find a source for the final interval, but others are correct. Based on the events in Redemption, the gap between Redemption and Season 7 will presumably be negligible. If everything i have listed is correct (and there's questions about a number of them), that would set Season 7 sometime in 2015, or approximately 13 years after Season 1. Having said all that, let's bear in mind that it's a fictional show, and we shouldn't take it too seriously ;-) Julianhall (talk) 01:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That Wikia isn't a reliable source. We'd need far better sources than that to include the idea. ThuranX (talk) 03:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh i understand that. Like i said in my previous post, "there are no citations to verify". Julianhall (talk) 12:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Set in the future 

message: A character list for people less familiar with the show would help (i.e. with clear indications of actors and not just season summaries and character names). Nandor1 (talk) 13:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section 

message: That opening paragraph is in serious need of a trim. Way too much info is being crammed in there, like some fan was afraid that was all anyone would ever read and therefore decided to get the biggest bang for the buck. An opening should only be 2, 3 graphs max. Most of the info in this one should be moved to other sections. 24.24.244.132 (talk) 06:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening Graph needs trim

message: If plans for the feature film were put on hold, as the article currently assets, then what is this Fox announcement about? See The Digital Bits "My Two Cents" 9/5/08. Reportedly the movie has been renamed from 24: Exile to 24: Redemption and it's due for release on DVD on November 25, 2008. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 20:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What "Redemption" is is the TV movie set to air in November. Due to the writer's strike costing 24's seventh season to air during the '07-'08 season, FOX (and the fans and cast and crew) didn't like the idea of going two years before getting a season a la The Sopranos. So they decided to take the feature film idea and make it a TV movie as a prequel to season seven, to sort of answer where Jack goes after Day 6 and how he ends up where he is in Day 7. Now whether or not the feature film still happens I believe is currently unknown. Anakinjmt (talk) 02:24, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feature Film 

message: "In 2008, according to Empire magazine, 24 was ranked as the sixth greatest television show of all-time, trailing only behind The Simpsons, Buffy The Vampire Slayer, The Sopranos, The West Wing, and Lost, respectively.[50]"
Because I have no account, I'm not going to alter the actual page, but come on... who cares what empire magazine said about 24?  Not to mention all of the other shows listed as "greatest television shows of all time" are from the last ten years.  Talk about a bias.
That paragraph should probably be taken out.
Thanks
--70.194.241.5 (talk) 07:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a matter of how notable Empire Magazine is in the UK. If it's "just another magazine", I think the content should be removed. But if the mag is highly regarded and respected as a source of film critique, the content should remain. I can't determine which it is. And when you say "bias", aren't all rankings fundamentally biased since they're matters of opinion? Blue Danube (talk) 00:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't read it but it's pretty much the UK's most well known and probably most resepcted movies magazine. -86.162.169.214 (talk) 21:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Empire Magazine? 

message: : This section is getting cluttered. Maybe re-formatting it into a table with headers for name, seasons in office, reason for leaving office, and special notes would be more appropriate. Any opinions? Julianhall (talk) 12:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recurring plot devices - Frequent Change of President of the United States