Talk:Hobby Lobby

message: Hobby Lobby made 186 million dollars last year as a private company. 22 million of that was off the backs of thier salaried management forced to work almost 90 hourse per week. involving 6-7 16 hour days. The Christian company field managers average a 74% divorce rate!! Want to find the Truth?? Do to a Hobby Lobby on sunday, ring the buzzer at the door, ask the manager how many hours he worked last week, and if he is divorced!!! This is satans sweat shop!!!!   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.182.240.92 (talk) 08:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the critcisms related to the weasel words, since I could not find any verifying sources; anyone can feel free to put them back as long as they can find supporting sources. For the rest, I cited sources and added supporting material, and also added a note about the unrelated Hobby Lobby International chain. I am aware that Bill Gothard is a controversial figure within evangelical Christian circles (my pastor can't stand him), so any mention of him is liable to attract such language. Realkyhick 03:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Older comments

message: Wanted to thank RealKYhick for what moderation s/he added to their comments.  
I hope the latest edits fit the neutrality mold a bit better.  
As to Bill Gothard, he doesn't appeal to many pastors because he doesn't support the popular practice of bringing worldy music into church and other destructive things many pastors either approve or tolerate.  The irony is that he has been very loyal to pastors for decades (i.e. returning funds donated to IBLP when any reference was made to tithing.  Mr. G insists that the tithe belongs to the local church and only accepts "gifts.")  
Bottom line is...Christians should be unified in the faith and quit burying their wounded.  
Devinedavid 18:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please remember that Wikipedia article talk pages are meant for discussing the article in question and not for sharing personal opinions on businesses, organizations, or individuals. --MatthewUND(talk) 00:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The edits that Devinedavid made to the section about Hobby Lobby's business practices did not adhere to npov and did not cite any sources. It is very unfortunate that he would call the earlier (and now, current, once again) version of the article "hate speech." We may need to work on the tone of this section and we could certainly find some more sources, but this section is not really "hateful" in any way and Devinedavid's version of the section was not an improvement. Why mention Walmart's alleged employee abuses...what does that have to do with Hobby Lobby? --MatthewUND(talk) 00:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

text: 1st point well taken.  Thanks.  Also right on about the Walmart comment.  Two wrongs (gratuitous statements) do not make a right. If this article is trying to be a referendum on David Green's philanthropy, I ask the same question: "What's that got to do with Hobby Lobby?"  Suggest another Wickipedia entry under his name or Bill Gothard's.  Finally, my edits DID cite a source (www.characterfirst.com), however I must also admit that the term "hate speech" was supposed to have a "?" next to it to make it more rhetorical than accusatory.  At worst, it was bias-speech, not hate speech.  Thank you for your patience. Devinedavid 02:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hobby Lobby & Bill Gothard 

message: This is not really related to the article, but I'm amazed that they think that the high cost of a barcode system would prevent them from being competitive.  Most of the time I've gone to Hobby Lobby, the cashier has made mistakes on the pricing and we've ended up saving money.  Maybe they need to re-evaluate that decision. -- Suso 15:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure where you heard that they reason they don't use bar codes is financial. I would guess, given other things the owners have said, that the reason is that they're among those who sincerely think that UPC codes are the mark of the Beast. 204.60.84.2 (talk) 19:07, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barcode system 

message: If I am reading this right the Supreme  court just handed down a ruling (5/4) violating the constitution stating the Hobby Lobby can force their employees to be excluded from certain health care coverage mandated by the federal government because it "violates" an aspect of their specific brand of mythology.  The article probably should have a much more in depth report on this issue as they are depriving their female employees from treatments. Lostinlodos (talk) 19:58, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: a) You're right. b) Please discuss this on talk:Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores Inc. DS (talk) 22:10, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

text: The tone of this disqualifies you from any expectation of being NPOV. 71.51.135.225 (talk) 15:49, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Comments on tone come with their own tone. Vaughan Pratt (talk) 06:06, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choosing mythology over healthcare  

message: I contributed some words to the paragraph about their employees' 401(k) plan.  The relevance of it to the health insurance issue is marginal, in my opinion, because the investments do not belong to Hobby Lobby, but to their employees.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petronivs (talk • contribs) 21:29, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are the 401(k) plans controlled by Hobby Lobby, or by representatives of employees?  The April 1, 2014 Mother Jones article doesn't appear to clear that up. --Closeapple (talk) 08:38, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Like all 401(k) plans, the employee decides where the funds are invested, not the employer. The employer sometimes decides which funds are available, but that decision is usually outsourced for fiduciary reasons. Bahooka (talk) 23:30, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  401(k) Plan 

message: Why was the addition removed?  It was properly referenced with citations?   OneHandClap (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is becoming an edit war, and you have violated WP:3RR by reverting four times in a 24-hour period. Also see WP:BRD. Care to self-revert your last edit? Bahooka (talk) 15:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funding of Abortion in China 

message: I don't think hours of operation are on any other company wikipedia page. Why do they need to be in this article?. ReginaldTQ (talk) 05:18, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Now I think I understand what you meant in your edit summary. Thanks. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hours of operation 

message: It is now January, 2015, and this statement is OLD: "it (HL) has carried Jewish holiday items in the past, and would do so in test areas beginning in November 2013." It is over a YEAR since November 2013. Did they do it? Wikipedia editors need to step up to the plate and find a way out of this sort of furture-tense waffling. What happened? Please do tell ... or rewrite the pragrapgh to say, "We have no idea what happened next." 70.36.137.221 (talk) 07:12, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's now nearly the end of 2016. It looks like there's no follow-up. Certainly in the absence of evidence either way it's best to remove this assertion.Gymnophoria (talk) 22:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a 2017 evaluation by Snopes. RobP (talk) 18:13, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Return of the Hannukah Issue 

message: If this content is going to stay, it needs some real WP:RS sources and a rewrite for WP:NPOV issues. Pinging  as they were involved in the reverting. zchrykng (talk) 18:38, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: @zchrykng  you are right. Thanks for notifying. Sorry (talk) 19:04, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hand-Dyed Yarn Theft 

message: That Robby Hobby. Doug Weller talk 16:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That's pretty interesting, thanks. I will also note this at Talk:Hobby Lobby smuggling scandal. Our section on Smuggling and collections management controversies I think should be made more up-to-date and concise, with most of the detail left out in favor of Hobby Lobby smuggling scandal. GA-RT-22 (talk) 17:15, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slate article 

message: I've removed the part about Green donating to NCF. This could be re-added, but there are problems with the sourcing. You can trace it back to a report by Sludge, which may not be RS; see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 258#Sludge. If this goes back in it should be attributed to Sludge. As for NCF being anti-LGBTQ, that could be sourced to Newsweek. GA-RT-22 (talk) 04:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  NCF 

message: On March 4, 2019, Hobby Lobby announced that Hobby Lobby will open the Orland Park Store. 2601:246:5600:193:10CC:A8E5:D8B:23D1 (talk) 00:28, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New entry to this history section 

message: On August 10, 2021, Hobby Lobby announced that Hobby Lobby will open the Norridge Store. 2600:1008:B129:177C:D82:2D02:3883:D398 (talk) 16:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Announcements like this are not important enough to put in the article. Even actual store openings are not important enough. And please don't make a separate talk page section every time Hobby Lobby announces a new store opening. We can have a single discussion as to whether these should be included. We don't need multiple discussions. GA-RT-22 (talk) 16:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New entry to this history section 

message: Hobby Lobby is owned by Christians and incorporates American conservative values and Christian media. 
I think this is an important part of the article, but I wonder if this maybe can't be re-worked for the lede.  
If, the Ben and Jerry's article stated the business was "owned by Jews...", I somehow think that wouldn't stand.  Likewise, I could make that same argument for Muslim-owned businesses, etc.  24.51.192.49 (talk) 14:57, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: When a business makes the religion of its founders a key part of the business, it's important to mention, but I agree that the wording was a bit jarring. I've tweaked it, see what you think. Schazjmd (talk) 15:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Your revisions look fair.  24.51.192.49 (talk) 19:07, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

text: One thing I might add, the idea that "The Green family founded Hobby Lobby to express their Christian beliefs ", while I don't doubt that's the case, I think should be sited.  24.51.192.49 (talk) 19:28, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Schazjmd (talk) 19:48, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Bona-fides