Talk:Suite bergamasque

message: Jonesville05 (talk) 14:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

message: Actually the name is spelled CLAIRE de lune with a silent E at the end of Claire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.233.110.65 (talk) 22:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No it isn't. Ajcounter 13:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: "le clair", derived from the adjective "clair", is masculine, so no there is no "e". In French, whenever you make a noun out of an adjective, it is masculine, the dominant gender in romance languages.--89.14.98.224 (talk) 22:10, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: So is it "Suite bergamasque" or "Suite Bergamasque" (B not capital and B capital)?
Misterdan 18:42, 03 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be lower case.  I've fixed it now.  --  JackofOz 08:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital B 

message: The validity of "When You Wish upon a Star" being based on "Clair de Lune" has been challenged on the "When You Wish upon a Star" talk page.  I will add the "fact" template to the line mentioning that on this page. Bender2k14 (talk) 05:36, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wish you were based on de Lune 

message: Quote from lede: It was likely named after Paul Verlaine's poem "Clair de lune", which possibly alludes to a bergamask. It is also commonly believed that the Suite Bergamasque is derived from Fêtes Gallantes, a poem by Paul Verlaine.
Issues:
* It can't possibly be "named after" a poem called Clair de lune. That would make the name of the whole suite Clair de lune, or something using the words "Clair" or "lune".  The 3rd section "Clair de lune" may well be named after Verlaine's poem, but not the whole suite.
* If Verlaine's poem only "possibly" alludes to a bergamask, then the connection is extremely tenuous.  If the word "bergamask" does not appear in the poem, then how can any connection to "Suite bergamasque" be adduced?
* "... derived from Fêtes Gallantes" - how can a musical work be derived from a literary work?  Or are we talking about the title of the work, Suite bergamasque, rather than the work itself?
This all needs a good rethink and a rewrite, with sources, please.  --  JackofOz (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Name "bergamasque"

message: The following section was removed from the article in October 2008.  I am sympathetic to not having such references overtake the article, but I think it is an error to exclude them altogether. Perhaps some middle ground can be reached to allow the inclusion of the most significant uses, in some condensed form? Cheers! bd2412 T 23:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the above is clearly irrelevant to the article and none of it belongs in the article, but consider the reason "Clair de lune" has been used or referred to so much in "film" and "other media". Obviously, it's because the piece is extremely popular and famous, as the other pieces in the suite are not. The problem with the article as it currently stands is NOT that the above uses in "films" and "other media" aren't listed; the problem is that the article has nothing in it to demonstrate (or even intimate or suggest) how much more popular and famous "Clair de lune" is than the rest of the suite. TheScotch (talk) 08:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in film 

message: The beginning of the section 4: Passepied is used at the sixth stage of the Game Boy game Castlevania II: Belmont's Revenge.
"Clair de lune" was one of the MIDI sequence RMI files included in Windows 95 and Windows 98.
"Clair de lune" serves as the introduction to the song "Ballerina" on the 1976 album Crystal Ball by Styx.
On page 104 of Stephanie Meyer's book Twilight, Bella and Edward are in Edward's Volvo when "Clair de lune" plays on the car stereo. Bella comments, "'Clair de Lune?'" to which Edward responds,"'You know Debussy?'" Song was also utilized in the film (see above).
In the 1944 Broadway musical On the Town (music by Leonard Bernstein, book & lyrics by Betty Comden & Adolph Green), one of the main characters, an anthropologist, is named Claire DeLoone. In the original production, this character was portrayed by Comden herself.
:All of the above is clearly irrelevant to the article and none of it belongs in the article, but consider the reason "Clair de lune" has been used or referred to so much in "film" and "other media". Obviously, it's because the piece is extremely popular and famous, as the other pieces in the suite are not. The problem with the article as it currently stands is NOT that the above uses in "films" and "other media" aren't listed; the problem is that the article has nothing in it to demonstrate (or even intimate or suggest) how much more popular and famous "Clair de lune" is than the rest of the suite. TheScotch (talk) 08:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  In other media 

message: So all other 3 movements are named after the form/type of the music. What type is "Clair de Lune"?--89.14.98.224 (talk) 22:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A minuet is a dance (not a "type" or a form), and so is a passepied. A suite is a set of dances. A prelude is not a dance, but, nevertheless, traditionally a suite does often begin with a prelude. Many of Bach's suites, for example, begin with preludes. "Clair de lune", on the other hand, is a character piece and does seem a bit anomalous--as if maybe it had been written separately and inserted into the suite as an afterthought. TheScotch (talk) 09:10, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clair de lune 

message: I suggest to include the file at right.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: More music

message: This section includes an odd claim: "...holds much of the baroque style that is commonly found in preludes." Apart from the unidiomatic use of "hold", what is this trying to say? I think immediately of the preludes by Chopin or Scriabin, and see no evidence of "baroque style". Imaginatorium (talk) 08:51, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; I'll remove this statement. Noahfgodard (talk) 23:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prelude 

message: Beside Punchbrothers, Passepied has been arranged into a Moog Synthesizer by Isao Tomita, in his album "Snowflakes Are Dancing". Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflakes_Are_Dancing#Side_B
Can this entry be acceptable to be included?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.176.151.222 (talk) 23:34, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a reliable source to support it, I'd say be bold and add it. Noahfgodard (talk) 23:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passepied other notable interpretation 

message: Why is the article "Suite bergamasque" in :Category:Piano, which is very general? Χιονάκι (talk) 20:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Piano?