Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong/Archive 2

message: The following is a guide for filling out the new tasks table. It has been adapted from WikiProject Vancouver. Comments welcome.Luke! 09:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Task Table Colour Codings 

message: *A lot needs to be done for the Geography of Hong Kong article.  Much of the information in that article is just straight figures and facts.  They need to be much better sourced.  I found that the CIA Worldbook has a lot of the figures, but I can't seem to find the same amount of information on HK government websites (websites that end with .hk.gov).  I assume that figures from the HK government would be more accurate.  Please help in finding sources that come directly from the HK government.
*Also, the CIA source I found actually has some facts that are not yet included in the article.  But I'm wondering how to present them all.  Do we want to keep doing what the article is doing, which is to make small sections for each set of different facts?  Would that not make the article too cluttered?  Please take a look.  The CIA source should be listed in the References section.
Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That 25% land usage cannot possibly be true.  Of all the statements, that one need the most reference. Benjwong 01:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's quite possible.  Large tracts of land in New Territories are not developed.  HK is just densely populated in the...  populated areas of HK.  I just think that percentage needs to be verified.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  So how about that Collaboration of the Month...? 

message: I am currently not physically in Hong Kong and won't be for a long time. Is there any good photographers who can help me take some pictures of historical sites/objects etc from museums or select places in HK using a decent camera preferably 5.0 megapixels or better?  Where would I go about finding someone who can help in this area?  Benjwong 17:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are willing to release these pictures to the public domain free of charge, you should consider uploading them up to Wikimedia Commons.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just contacted someone at the website.  Now I am just waiting for a response.  Benjwong 21:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For anyone who needs pictures, email Liza@hiphongkong.com.  There are some seriously good pics on that page.  Benjwong 01:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Need Photographer Volunteers

message: I tagged the article as needing attention.  Accordingly, this article is of Top importance.  Yet the section on popular culture and the section on mass media are completely empty.  With all that Canto-pop and a globally recognised movie industry, I'm surprised those sections are still empty.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind.  Apparently the content in those two sections were removed by long-standing vandalism that never got fixed.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with you. Also what I saw on that article is very different to what I expected to see. In addition to those mentioned in the article, I thought I would also find something like "scaffolding", "Cantonese opera", "tea restaurants (茶餐廳, I am unsure about the English translation)", etc. and they are all missing. I hope someone will add those things onto the article soon. --Raphaelmak 03:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the individual pages like food, cuisine, literature are all well done and in place.  Then the culture page is just putting everything together.  The problem is that all the side pages are so incomplete and need attention.  Benjwong 07:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I think this page and most of the linked pages the cultural sections are much repaired now.  Took alot of research, but it is looking pretty good.  Benjwong 04:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Culture of Hong Kong]] 

message: SchmuckyTheCat has placed a proposal for the re-opening of Instantnood's arbitration. Since the dispute mainly concerns Hong Kong and Macau related articles, members from WPHK might want to join the process. --Deryck C. 08:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a nice gesture, although I hope the said discussions remain impartial.--Huaiwei 15:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Instantnood 4|ArbCom case]] 

message: I have found that there may be too many churches in Hong Kong according to Hong Kong Church Web Page. I wonder if it is possible to add them all even to the List of Protestant Church in Hong Kong. 
The website: [](The website is written in traditional Chinese, some of the words are translated in English. Shrimp wong 04:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like there's about a little more than 50 churches from that list, and each church has multiple locations in HK.  I suggest we list each church and just mention how many locations each of them have, instead of listing every single location of every single church.  Even then, we may consider having a seperate article for them, like the List of Catholic Churches in Hong Kong article.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While it may be important to have such lists of Places of worship in Hong Kong and List of Catholic Churches in Hong Kong, it may not appear explicitly so. To other editors, and admittedly so at first glance myself as well, these articles may appear as just lists and nothing more - therefore meeting criteria for what Wikipedia is not and possibly AfD. We should strive to establish notability through verifiable sources to these lists first. Luke! 16:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Places of worship in Hong Kong]]

message: Does anybody want to start an article on this?  I'm interested, but not sure if I'm interested enough to work on it all by myself.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chief Executive Election of 2007

message: I've nominated Foreign domestic workers in Hong Kong for GA status.  Please review if interested.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Article's been passed as a GA article.  :-)  Now on to FA status!  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA nomination 

message: I just did some clean-up on Languages of Hong Kong, but that article is still a mess due to the fact that good portions of it read like they were written by high school kids.  I replaced the "copyedit" tag with a "grammar" tag.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is now completely fixed.  I had to delete a considerable amount of info that were repeats and incomprehensible.  Took alot more work than I expected.  But the content is genuinely good.  Benjwong 04:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yet another article that's a mess 

message: I've revamped Companies listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange to include the entire list of companies listed on HKEx.  But it needs to be wikified.  If somebody can do Perl or are willing to do it all by hand, please work on this.  The companies need to be wikilinked, and the list just generally needs to look better.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I took one crack at it using auto patterns of search & replace.  There are too many null links. I cannot guarantee these are even going to be proper links, for example I saw "playmate" in there.  Is not a playmate company.  Just whatever is spelled out with the fastest auto result with the minimal amount of manual work. Benjwong 05:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone else think that the organizations on this list are better served through the exclusive use of the present category :Companies listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange? This article list seems redundant to the role of the category. Companies listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange may also meet criteria for AfD as what Wikipedia is not - not a collection of internal links and not a directory. Any thoughts? Luke! 06:32, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I had considered that.  But one thing a category can't offer is a listing by stock code.  I'm not absolutely stubborn about keeping the article, but that is one reason to keep it.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The advantage of this page is that it can list stock numbers and companies with no articles.  Category pages cannot do that.  It's up to you guys.  If you plan to delete, do it soon before more people hop in.  Benjwong 22:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True that this article does list organizations by stock code and also lists stock numbers of organizations with no articles; however as the page is currently set up, it remains to be a predominantly red linked article/list. Thus by wiki-linking every organization, it may eventually spur the growth of new articles for organizations for which they are not notable. For the notable organizations that currently have articles, I propose that we add an inline mention within the appropriate article indicating that they are traded on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange under the corresponding stock code. In combination with the use of the category :Companies listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, this, I believe, will better organize the articles. Thoughts? Luke! 04:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Articles for companies listed on HKEx should already mention that the company is listed and provide the stock code with the template :Template:sehk.  See for example Hutchison Whampoa.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is the case with all the articles then I am going to move ahead and propose that this be deleted. Any objections? Luke! 00:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh?  Why does the existence of the template call for deletion of the list?  The template does not exactly function like the list does.  The list is, firstly, a listing by stock code, where as the template only lets readers see what one particular company's stock code is.  Secondly, the article lists companies with no articles yet, and could spur editors to actually create those articles.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 10:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, not every organization is notable. And for every non-notable organization out there, their wikilink will forever remain a red link. Thereby this will be a list of internal links, of which many will be a red link. But, I too can see this article progress a little more through the addition of more content. I ran a quick search for other list of organizations on stock exchanges from around the world and found that most of the major stock exchanges do have a wiki-list (ex. List of companies listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange). However, just because others exist is not rationale for inclusion here. However in spite of this, there are examples of articles similar to this one that are encyclopedic in value. One good example that we can strive for is the London Stock Echange article FTSE 100 Index. Luke! 19:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would argue that just the fact it's a listing by stock code, the article ought to remain.  I noticed you put a "prod" tag on the article.  I'm going to remove it, because I think it's better to list it for an AfD if you want to delete it.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine. Its just a proposed deletion. Since my reply, I was actually going to remove it myself too. I'm going to try and improve it. Luke! 20:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can count the number of items in the category list.  That is how many blue links will be available, and it isn't much.  Benjwong 07:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: To be honest, Luke, feel free to list it as AfD.  I'd probably vote to keep, but if an AfD says that it should be deleted, then so be it.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm a bit late for this topic, but there's a discussion going on now about whether being publically traded makes a company automatically notable. General consensus seems to be "no, but the large majority will have multiple independent sources anyway due to analyst coverage, etc. See Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations_and_companies)#Notability and publicly traded companies. In my opinion, the list is useful for development purposes (a major criterion of WP:LIST), and should be retained at least in project space even if it's not considered to be encyclopedically notable. Incidentally, when I get some time I'm going to finish writing a bot to automatically generate redirects from RIC codes to company articles (e.g. 0001.HK and 1.HK to Cheung Kong Holdings); probably I'll rely on lists like this, since trying to scrape the data from  hasn't proved to be a great solution in practise. cab 00:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's kind of in a different context, isn't it?  I was not aware that something needs to be notable in order for it to be listed in a list.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Companies listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange 

message: Article Hongkonger has been listed for AfD.  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hongkonger.  I voted to delete as I've had problems with the article for a long while now.  It needs a complete rewrite.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hongkonger listed for AfD 

message: MTR has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LuciferMorgan 03:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are 3 red links on the page.  Unlink it before you nominate.  Benjwong 14:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder why no one take action to improve the articles.  It is much easier to improve a featured article in the review than to go through feature article normination process.  It saves lot of previous effort in the normination.  While taking to much time discussing and arguing for/against other articles/topics, please think about the priority and importance of this MTR article.  — HenryLi (Talk) 22:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I corrected a red-linked "by-census" and re-directed that to Census in Hong Kong. I've tried searching for the firms that helped in the construction of the MTR; however, I don't think that their firms have been notable enough for an article to be created about them yet. Perhaps we should de-wiki-link those? There is no article for the magazine Recruit either and I have removed that link. The depot Siu Ho Wan also currently does not have an article yet. I've re-directed it to the most relevant district - in this case Lantau Island. Luke! 23:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well-done.  A few red links are acceptable and not a concern in the review.  Don't worry too much about it.  The reviewers require better writing, reduction of the fare and ticket section and arrangement of headers.  We need a copywriter to improve the article.  We should primary address to the comment in the Wikipedia:Featured article review/MTR.  — HenryLi (Talk) 02:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: MTR FAR

message: I've started work on a navigation template for WPHK, basically a simplified and modified version of the same template for Wikipedia:WikiProject China.  Right now it's in a subpage in my userspace (User:HongQiGong/scratch), as it is not yet finished.  But please help in finishing it.  It'll give us a little more direction on how to develope WPHK, plus maybe we can clean up the main page of WPHK a little bit too.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. It will help keep of project pages in an organized fashion. Taking a look. Luke! 05:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we should remove the Notice Board wikilink; as the HK Notice Board is pretty much depreciated. I have put the question of its existence out there on its talk page, if anyone is interested in commenting. Luke! 05:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The noticeboard links don't link to the HK Wikipedians' noticeboard.  It links to a subpage of "Hong Kong-related topics notice board", which is not yet created.  But you're probably right.  With the main Talk page and other subpages that can be created for specific tasks like New Article Requests and a Tasks subpage, I doubt we'd need it.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Anyway, I'm thinking that one use of the template is to help us move large chunks of information that's currently on the main page onto subpages.  The list of Tasks for example, has grown quite large.  And the list of HK-related categories is not short either.  Take a look at the template for WPChina to get an idea of how to structure it.  Obviously the one for HK will be smaller and more simplified as we don't have nearly as much developments, like taskforces and sub projects, etc.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like how its going so far. We should wait to see what other editors think. Luke! 06:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What else do you imagine would be in the "Departments" section?  If nothing else, should we move the Assessment link up to the main navigation section?  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Taking a look at other WikiProjects, besides Assessment its generally those such as: Collaboration of the Month, Translation, Peer Review, etc. Luke! 07:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I imagine any translation requests can be put into the future Request subpage, along with new article and image requests, clean-up requests.  I'd prefer to have all the editing requests in one place, unless we get too many, which I don't think we will anytime soon.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WPHK Navigation template 

message: Currently, only Featured Articles are listed in the project page. I suggest that Good Acticles can be also listed as well, in order to let HK wikipedians have a look and take them as references. (I would really like to know how many HK articles are in GA status.) -- Kevinhksouth 16:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We'll eventually make a subpage that lists the featured and good articles.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: As soon as development/feedback of the WikiProject Hong Kong navigation template finishes, we'll be having a lot more project pages, one of which would be a featured and good articles page. Luke! 17:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: For now though, you may considering looking at the category, :Category:GA-Class Hong Kong articles for Good Articles, of which there is only 1. And :Category:FA-Class Hong Kong articles for Featured Articles, of which there are only 7. Luke! 17:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion: List all Good Acticles as well 

message: Do you have a link to Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Hong Kong articles by quality on your assessment page?  --Ideogram 11:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Importance of articles seems to be accessed arbitrarily.  Articles like Tsuen Wan, Tsing Yi, and Stonecutters Bridge are of low importance for Hong Kong while Shek O, Yuen Long, Siu Sai Wan are of mid importance. — HenryLi (Talk) 07:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article assessment reports 

message: I don't know if I am only noticing this now, and I don't know if other editors are seeing the same thing that I am, but the HK Coat of Arms image that is used for many articles does not have a transparent background.  I'm going to place the image inside a div tag with a brown background.  You can see that the corners of the Coat of Arms is white.
The image is linked from commons, but if you look at it from within commons, you can see that it looks like the background is transparent - :commons:Image:Hong Kong coa.png.
The Coat of Arms is used in the WPHK tagging template, and basically it's looking kind of ugly right now with the white corners.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Think I hopped on too late.  I don't see anything wrong. Benjwong 01:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HK Coat of Arms image 

message: I just fixed up Economy of Hong Kong a great deal.  I don't think it is start-class anymore. Can someone just move the ratings up.  Or is this something I can just do myself without asking anyone?  Benjwong 03:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can change it yourself.  But I've changed it for you.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings 

message: So the Education in Hong Kong article was flagged for having unsourced statements and a number of other problems.  I did a massive cleanup, but if you scroll down.  The category section still list "Articles with unsourced statements since March 2007". What must I do to get rid of it?? Benjwong 19:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article gets removed from the category when all  tags get replaced with sources. Most of them are in the future section of the article. Luke! 20:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced Category Won't go Away

message: Should we remove the "Tasks" section in the main project page, and if any articles were listed with a request for editing, list it at the Editing Request subpage?  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good if you want to combine "Tasks" and "Edit and Image request". 1 big list is better than 2 small lists.  Benjwong 01:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tasks" section in the main project page 

message: I am proposing Fisheries in Hong Kong page be merged into Agriculture in Hong Kong.  Both are combined to less than 1% of the economy.  It makes more sense to group them together.  Feel free to discuss it here.  If there are no major objections, I am ready to move it anytime.
Benjwong 01:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposing Merge

message: Because of the late introduction of Barnstar of Hong kong version 3.0, I would like every participant in WPHK to vote on the barnstars below:
Image:Barnstar_wphk.png|The WikiProject Hong Kong Award (Version 2.0)
Image:barnstarofhongkong.png|The WikiProject Hong Kong Award (Version 3.0)
Version 2	Version 3	No preference
theorb  	
Jacklau96Tom MurphyLuke!HerenthereBenjwongNxn 0405 chl	
HongQiGong
Comments
Is it possible to clean up the edges of the star? If you go to the original image file, the edges look a little rugged. Anyway, nice work! Herenthere (Talk) 21:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barnstar of Hong Kong 

message: The election is over, and Donald Tsang won (as was widely expected).  The Hong Kong Chief Executive election, 2007 could use some editorial work.  I switched all the embedded citations to inline citations, but some of the sources originally provided is no longer available, so we need citations and referencing.  Also, some of the prose is not very well written.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hong Kong Chief Executive election, 2007 

message: Hi, I'm involved in a "content dispute" (to use an euphemism) with various anonymous users (who I believe is one user using proxies) over an image I've added into the HSBC building article. I'd like some input from outside parties if that's possible, thanks. _dk 08:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put up a comment.  That image must stay since it is rare. The complainer's ip is not from Japan though.  So I don't know why the person is so upset?  Benjwong 18:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[HSBC Hong Kong headquarters building]]

message: Does anyone have any feedback to the current process of the WPHK Collaboration of the Month (COTM0)? Trying to keep this as broad as possible to better help refine it. Luke! 23:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My feedback is that we don't have enough active participants to keep one running every month.  I was the only one that actually tried to improve the last article selected for it.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 00:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would appear that way. *sigh* No objections on discontinuing this collaboration for now?Luke! 18:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with discontinuing it for now. There are too few participants. Each article only had no more than 2 people supporting it and it is out of date. Perhaps no one would disagree with listing it up on MfD.--Kylohk 09:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WPHK COTM 

message: Could I propose the deletion of Hong Kong Government Cantonese Romanisation? The article describes something that really exists, but there are no sources for it and it seems unlikely to have any (at least I was unable to find any). It has to be classified as "original research". Could we accept articles like this? Are there any similar cases?--K.C. Tang 03:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the most part, it can be construed as original research. I haven't looked myself, however, there may have been some studies on this. A quick look at the article, the section about pronunciation in English is extremely subjective. The absence of any sources makes it totally original research. I think its worthwhile nominating this article for an AfD to garner input from other community editors. Luke! 13:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems unlikely that this amount of specific information was original research.  This might be a case of lacking referencing instead of original research.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary: there is a great deal of specific info exactly because it's original research. Our editors have diligently drawn examples from real life. I mean I like this article (indeed I contributed a bit to it), but I'm not sure whether this kind of article can be accepted in Wikipedia. Cheers.--K.C. Tang 01:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not disputing that good work has been put towards the article. But verifiable reliable sources are needed for any article to substantiate its claims. Luke! 02:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: yes, that's the point.--K.C. Tang 01:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: To my knowledge, you can write an article with an extreme amount of specific information which is not original research, and then you forgot to put in references. Forgetting to put in references is usual amongst Wikipedians, isn't it? And that does not mean that the info in the article in question is original research. --Raphaelmak 01:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: of course, but probably not in this case. You can take a look at the relevant talk page, and get an idea how the article came into being. Cheers.--K.C. Tang 16:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this a possible source http://lshk.ctl.cityu.edu.hk/Jyutping.php ?? .  Maybe it is a non-web source altogether? Benjwong 17:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: but it's about Jyutping, not about the romanisation scheme in question.--K.C. Tang 01:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This document might be a start . Don't think it's available on thte internet; I guess you gotta write to the Government Records Service and ask for a copy ($1/page ). cab 11:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever was at the subnet 202.61.115.X had most of the consanants and symbol tables.  Because this user does not have a name and appeared to be changing IPs, it will be difficult to ask where he/she got the info.  Benjwong 01:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for deletion 

message: I have proposed the following:
Merge List of higher education institutions in Hong Kong into List of schools in Hong Kong. If anyone has any comments, please make them here. Luke! 02:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To enable us to consider this proposal properly, please give your reasons for making it.  Thanks!  Rodparkes 04:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have given rationale on at the [[discussion. Luke! 17:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the merger.  The list of school is currently a list to other lists. The list can be consolidated into 1 big list for all levels.  Benjwong 01:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Hong Kong-related Merger 

message: For those interested, I have nominated the article Wah Yan College Cats for deletion. Interested editors who wish to contribute to the AfD discussion, should do so on the discussion page. Luke! 05:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wah Yan College Cats AfD 

message: I have done some editing to the Bus Uncle article in order to improve the grammar and flow of the article. I also divided the social impact section into 5 areas. I would like to try and improve the quality to Featured status. If any one have any ideas, please assist. Thanks.--Kylohk 11:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The translated transcript may be an issue - who translated it, and are they an authoritative source? The citation is a GeoCities page, which is generally unreliable. It's also unencyclopedic to have the entire transcript - try to use it in context instead. –Pomte 03:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved the incident to after the character introduction and changed to cover the whole incident. Apart from this, the transcript's moved to another article. Apart from this, that particular source has the video in question linked to it. The translation is based on what the participants said in Chinese.--Kylohk 17:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't be surprised if that transcript article gets nominated for deletion. Anyway, it's not too important because anyone can just watch the video to read it. There are obviously different ways to translate what they say, so how did you choose which words are best to express the Chinese? When I watched the video, I found some of the English odd in relation to the Chinese. What I'll do is help with the formatting and try to adhere to the manual of style. –Pomte 20:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can anyone think of more ways to improve the article? Or should the article be nominated for featured status?--Kylohk 09:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: There are currently 28 references for the article, and I can't find any details that have not been referenced. I also removed content tagged with "citation needed" when it's too hard to prove them. Hence I believe the article is now clearly referenced.--Kylohk 09:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest it be put through Wikipedia:Peer review first.  Most of the sections in the article seem small for a FA-class article, and I don't know if there's a length requirement, but the article length itself is small compared to other FA-class articles.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Last time I checked the criteria, there aren't any specific length requirements. On the other hand, it stated that all images must have a fair use rationale, which I added to them all. I also requested a peer review on the discussion page and the peer review page, and yet no one's replied! I suggest someone else take a closer look and state any flaws that may be present.--Kylohk 19:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Be patient.  Wikipedia:Peer review usually has a huge backlog.  A lot of the requests haven't been commented on.  And really, it's not a big deal if the article never makes it to FA-class.  There are a lot of HK-related articles that are much more important that could use a lot of work!  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bus Uncle: From Good to Featured 

message: I just found out images from Flickr requires "Attribution-ShareAlike License" for it to be acceptable in wikipedia.  I am trying to contact some of the people who I used images from.  Do you guys know of a simpler way to use or find Hong Kong images?  It sucks to know there are millions of pictures out there but so few are actually acceptable on wikipedia. Benjwong 03:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose most of them could be replaced with a free use image, that is to say, you can take those photos yourself. --:Raphaelmak: [talk] [contribs] 04:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am far away from HK right now.  Won't be back for a long long time.  Benjwong 04:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images Images Images

message: I have listed the article List of streets and roads in Hong Kong for deletion. Any interested project editors, should comment at the deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of streets and roads in Hong Kong Luke! 06:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of streets and roads in Hong Kong AfD 

message: Could people, not think about, all parts of Hong Kong,when talking about content in the article.
I must note, that there is no mention of annual festivals in Hong Kong such as 'The Dragon Boat festival,The International Hong Kong film festival,New Years celebration (where everybody goes),The Lantern festival,Ching Ming (ancestorial offerings and respect),Buddha's day.Also, there could have been a mention of society.Lastly, would anyone mind if i added a bit more to the 'Culture' section, as i have a strong knowledge of movies,tv series and books. Wongdai 10:45 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::It's in Culture of Hong Kong.  It literally just got relinked a couple hours ago.  Benjwong 04:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements 

message: can someone draw a map of HK and save it into SVG? --Jacklau96 13:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was looking for one to do the districts.  But never found a good one. Benjwong 02:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah we need alot of help with detailed maps.  If we can get something like the maps at Kwai Tsing District, we are good. Benjwong 16:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map? 

message: I am proposing the merge of Hong Kong landmarks and tourist attractions into Tourism in Hong Kong.  The article Tourism in Hong Kong was originally flagged as talking from a POV of first-person. I read a lot of it, and it was more or less was government/tourist board promotional materials.  I think there is no reason to keep 2 lists.  Let me know what you guys think. Benjwong 02:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another solution - I suggest leaving the link towards Hong Kong landmarks and tourist attractions  and delete all the other things in Tourism in Hong Kong#attractions. Nxn 0405 chl 14:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Merge - Your solution is actually something I considered before proposing the merge. 8D Benjwong 16:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposing Merge

message: I would like to suggest merger of Postage stamps and postal history of Hong Kong into Hongkong Post. As the latter already includes information in the before.Nxn 0405 chl 00:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree I'd also suggest merging Hongkong Post Stamps and Postage stamps and postal history of Hong Kong into Hongkong Post. Luke! 06:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree - I believe both the Nxn and the Luke suggestions should be adopted.  I'm all for bringing things together in one place when it makes sense.. and in this case it sure seems to. Tom M. 12:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree to merge both. –Pomte 14:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree to merge both. Benjwong 16:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge "Postage stamps and postal history of Hong Kong" into "Hongkong Post" 

message: I have listed the Notice Board as a candidate for a Miscellany for Deletion (MfD). All interested editors should discuss the matter at the discussion: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:HK wikipedians' notice board. Luke! 04:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HK Wikipedian Notice Board MfD 

message: I've expanded the editing requests lists by adding the outstanding requests listed at Wikipedia:HK wikipedians' notice board and Wikipedia:HK wikipedians' notice board/Complete to do list.  Please look over them to see if they are still applicable requests.  I think some of the new article requests may have been fulfilled already, just with different article names than requested.  Some of the article improvement requests look kind of questionable because some of those articles just don't have very expansive subject matter and may not even have room for improvement.  And some of those improvement requests may have been fulfilled already.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing requests brought over from noticeboard 

message: I have come across the article MK Culture. It is allegedly about the Mong Kok culture. Though there is content on the article, it remains to be original research without proper attribution, for which it does not have. Its only source at this time is a Geocities website - which is not reliable. I have considered nominating it for deletion; however, I would like to give WikiProject Hong Kong editors the chance to save this article. If you (we) feel that you (we) will be able to improve this article through additional content and proper sourcing, then we should act in reasonable time. Failure to do so will inevitably lead to an AfD. Luke! 22:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is one of those things that's almost common knowledge but nobody has written about it with any academic or even journalistic authority.  Google search for MK仔 returns 5,870 hits, most of them seem to be from forums and blogs.  Have you tried asking User:Germandemat for sources?  I think he wrote the bulk of that article.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left a request for comment and perhaps additional sources on the user's talk page. Luke! 03:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to read more about present day MK culture.  I am too far to experience it. Do you guys think it is unique enough to be an article?  Benjwong 22:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be difficult to keep the article without some better referencing.  I suspect most references we'd find are in gossip magazines in HK, which in my opinion by their very nature would be difficult to put to good use.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MK Culture 

message: I am here to tell you all that two articles have been merged into Hongkong Post (by somebody else) and my "List of post offices in Hong Kong" is transplanted into Hongkong Post as well. I hope you like it. 
Bear in mind that the list can still be improved as the years of establishment and the pictures are not yet collected completely. 
For the pictures, I hope somebody could take a photo for post offices near his/her living place and contribute to this list. For the years, I will see whether I can send a enquiry to Hongkong Post and ask.Nxn 0405 chl 13:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved economy template in.  It looks good.  Now it is linked to everything else. Benjwong 22:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Hongkong Post 

message: After the struggle for a list of post offices in Hong Kong, I am now planning to create an article for the Hong Kong movie, Her Fatal Ways (). If anyone of you were audience of this movie and have much information about it, OR should you have any comment on this creation, please leave it here. Thanks! Nxn 0405 chl 17:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right.  An article for her should have been created a long time ago here on English WP.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her Fatal Ways 

message: The project page says we follow Chinese naming conventions. However, most HK-related articles currently actually don't follow the conventions, especially articles with transliterated names. An example is Cha chaan teng. I wonder if we should draft a Hong Kong naming convention by ourselves, overtaking our current twisted compliance to the Chinese conventions? --Deryck C. 11:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would prefer we just stick with the popular or common English names on a case-by-case basis.  But for something like cha chaan teng, I'm not sure there's even a common English name, so I think using a romanisation of the Cantonese name is fine.  Though I see that it could become an issue with names of food dishes.  Some don't really have English names that I'm aware of, and may look very clumsy as article titles because they could be long.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions 

message: Another editor has nominated List of Hong Kong-related topics for an AfD. This AfD also affects other regional List of x-related topics. All interested editors should contribute at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Alberta-related topics. Luke! 03:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Hong Kong-related topics AfD 

message: I have nominated List of Hongkongers for AfD. AfD page at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hongkongers --:Raphaelmak: [talk] [contribs] 15:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Hongkongers AfD

message: WatchlistBot is now generating a page for this WikiProject.  Thanks goes to the bot's creator User:Mom2jandk for setting this up.  It should basically be a list of everything (articles, categories, templates, etc) that's been tagged with .  We should be able to click on the recent changes link to get a watchlist of all Hong Kong-related articles.  Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Hong Kong/Articles.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WatchlistBot-generated page 

message: Hello. The article List of Hong Kong-related topics was recently nominated for deletion here. The closing decision was to delete some lists and projectify those with corresponding WikiProjects. For that reason, I am moving the article to a subpage of this project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Hong Kong/List of Hong Kong-related topics. -- Black Falcon (Talk) 16:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move of [[List of Hong Kong-related topics]]