Talk:John Dickson Stufflebeem

message: This article appears to have been "rather transparently" rewritten by the subject, Mr. Stufflebeem, as evinced by the user name, the level of detail unpublished elsewhere, and the extremely favorable tone. Although he had a near-stellar Navy career, Stufflebeem wishes to minimalize the seminal event that cost him his Navy career, his three-star billet, a three-star retirement, and more. This is comparable to a biography of Richard Nixon completely ignoring  the lies that followed Watergate. Stufflebeem's documented "Clitonesque" lying to DoD IG investigators about a dalliance while a Presidential military aide resulted in a written reprimand, his being relieved of his duties as Director, Navy Staff, and retirement at two-star rank. However, the Wiki bio only states (correctly) that "His removal from his post was not directly due to the allegations." What is glossed over is that his removal was directly due to the "false and misleading testimony" Stufflebeem gave to investigators on multiple occasions. (DoD IG report: http://www.dodig.mil/fo/foia/ERR/Stufflebeem%20ROI%20Black%20Out%20Copy.pdf) CarlitosCorazon 07:17, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Corrections or Spin?

message: As an active duty Naval Officer, RDML Stufflebeem was subject to the Uniformed Code of Miltary Justice (UCMJ). The Naval Criminal Investigative Service thoroughly investigated the "alleged" dalliance and concluded that it did, in fact, happen. As this "affair" was not a crime nor subject to a civil trial, whether it was "proven" or not is irrelevant. The NCIS report is very convincing.  
Yet, to be crystal clear, it was RDML Stufflebeem's lying about the event - to both NCIS investigators and his superiors - that doomed him. During the UCMJ process effected in reaction to his lies, he was, no doubt, given the option for a Court Martial. That he refused that opportunity and opted for Admiral's Mast instead speaks volumes about the veracity of the original accusation. 
As to the inclusion of this event in Wikipedia... As the UCMJ was the legal system to which RDML Stufflebeem was subject, Wikipedia must acccept his guilt (on both the affair and the lying which followed) as factual, just as they would a guilty plea from a civil court. Would you undue the conclusions of the Nuremeberg Trials simply because they were not conducted in a U.S. civil court?  Should O.J. have been imprisoned even though he was found "Not Guilty" of the murders of his wife and her acquaintance? Wikipedia has to recognize the condemnation of a legal system until it is overturned via that same system. The "facts" are:  RDML Stufflebeem had an affair while married. He lied to NCIS investigators and his superiors about it. He was relieved as a result. He retired in disgrace. Like many Naval Officers before and after him, he paid the price for poor judgement. CarlitosCorazon 07:17, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counterpoint to the below 

message: I have edited the Wikipedia biography for  John Dickson Stufflebeem to correct significant inaccuracies, better reflect his life and contributions to our country and society during a distinguished 33-year career and also to better conform this entry to the Wikipedia policies for biographies about living persons (using appropriate links to reliable and verifiable sources).  To achieve these goals, I have  collected significant events relevant to John Stufflebeem's life and organized them into appropriate categories.
These revisions to this biography on a living person are necessary to adhere  to the spirit, policies and guidelines of Wikipedia,   preclude harm and avoid the appearance of a personal attack based on a single incident (alleged to have occurred over 18 years  prior and at all times denied by the subject) which was politically motivated and not the subject of any judicial process.  Due to military process, the subject could not respond at the time to these allegations in the press, nor can he respond to them in a Wikipedia entry.  To have  "sensational" allegations appear to be the sole measures defining his life and career in Wikipedia would be extremely unfair, and contrary to Wikipedia's goals, purposes, guidelines and policies.
Based on verifiable and referenced sources I have made additions to this biography to include significant events that occurred during the subject's  distinguished military career, beginning with his well documented fame for playing football at the collegiate and professional levels over a number of years as well as global media exposure while briefing the international press on military operations in Afghanistan following the events of 9/11, 2001.  Notable command leadership events were also included for the subject's participation in the war in Iraq in 2003, the NATO effort to the devastating earthquake in northern Pakistan in 2005, the Israeli-Lebanon war of 2006, and the opening modern forays into Africa in 2007.
Some portions of this biography of a living person were deleted due to inaccuracies and multiple reporting of a singular alleged event that sounds scandalous, but was not proven.  Even if the event had related to something that was true, the amount of coverage in the previous Wikipedia biography compared to the vast amount of accurate and notable information available on a thirty-three year career was out of balance and unfair. 
Note: I know John Stufflebeem personally, and worked with him as a colleague; however, I do not work with him currently or have any financial interest in any business or other venture with him.  All edits are submitted from a neutral point of view.  Accordingly, there is no conflict of interest and all edits further the spirit, purpose, policies and guidelines of Wikipedia.
Navyrdml (talk) 19:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Corrections and Additions

message: Regarding this edit, he was demoted due to being relieved of his position.  If you check the cited source it states:--Rockfang (talk) 23:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  a clarification 

message: This page has his US & foreign awards split form each other. Yet it has the Kuwait Liberation Medal (Wisam Al-Tahrir) that is awarded by the nation of Kuwait listed under his US military awards. This need to be fixed, just because the medal was accepted by Secretary of Defense William J. Perry for automatic wear, doesn’t make it a US award.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.6.84.110 (talk) 19:48, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign Awards 

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message: While I do understand your point of view, regards of what his final retirement rank is: (1) Stufflebeem was appointed to the rank of vice admiral. (2) All three and four-star ranks are actually temporary ranks and are not permanent ones. (3) All three and four-star ranks can only be achieved, and held, while an officer is assigned to an office/position designated at that rank. If an officer is removed from said office/position, then they cease to be a three or four-star, and are automatically reverted back to their last permanent rank, unless they are appointed to another three or four-star assignment. In the case of my edit, the wording is pretty accurate. Stufflebeem was a former vice admiral, and served in that rank while he was the commander of the U.S. Sixth Fleet and then later as the director of the Navy Staff. The fact that he didn't retire as one is noted if the Infobox and in the article itself. Neovu79 (talk) 16:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stufflebeem's Rank