Talk:Battle of Talas

message: This came to my attention because of an edit war over whether or not it was a decisive victory. (I'm not sure the cite we have now is much use in deciding this issue).
One can argue that it was decisive because the Tang losses were extremely heavy and that the battle resulted in a rout.
One can argue that it was not decisive because Tang expansion was halted by domestic issues, not by this battle; it was not strategically significant. While Tang losses were heavy relative to this army's size, they were a drop in the bucket of overall Tang forces.
Anyone else? Pinkbeast (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Decisive" victory 

message: I guess there were 40,000 soldiers on Arab side along with Tibetan allies and 50,000 soldiers on Chinese side along with around 10,000 Karluks
But as we know Karluks defected Tangs for Arabs and routed them from flanks 
Before that battle of slightly in favour of Chinese and Arabs suffered good amount of casualties but Karluks defection changed the course of battle and seeing this Arabs attacked from front with full force and surrounded Chinese were routed
By the end of battle around 60-70% of Chinese soldiers were Killed or captured Uzair Ansari333 (talk) 16:20, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Uzair Ansari333 - We are not interested in what you "guess" - we are only interested in what reliable published sources have already said about the subject,  Please cite which sources you are referring to in order to obtain all these figures - Thank you - Arjayay (talk) 13:13, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of combatants on each side 

message: Since this is a non-Western, non-Christian battle, shall we only use the CE date terminology and replace the AD usage? Tpsreport84 (talk) 19:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Srnec (talk) 23:59, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date Terminology 

message: The Battle of Talas led to the end of Tang expansion in Central Asia? How do you explain Feng Changqing's attack on the Great Buru Kingdom (present-day Kashmir) in 753? Feng Changqing's army crossed Central Asia into South Asia.
Feng Changqing - Wikipedia
A country loses one-fiftieth of its standing army, leading to a significant decline in national strength? Inability to expand into Central Asia? What a ridiculous argument! You know, in the Anshi Rebellion of 755-763, the Tang Dynasty lost more than 30 million people, and recovered in the following decades.
Throughout human history, there has never been a state that has declined because of the 2% loss of the standing army. 李双能 (talk) 05:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You've conflated "end of expansion" with both "cessation of activities" and "decline". Remsense聊 05:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the expansion over? So, how to explain Feng Changqing's attack on Kashmir in 753? After the Battle of Talas, the Tang continued to gather forces in Central Asia until the An Lushan Rebellion in 755, when most of the troops of the Anxi and Beiting protectorates began to withdraw from Central Asia and Xinjiang. 李双能 (talk) 10:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: 李双能, I suppose it depends how you would define expansion, which I would associate with broader long-term territorial or other material control. Going on campaign isn't necessarily expansion, campaigns are often undergone to maintain the control a state already has, which is how I would characterize Feng's campaign in Kashmir, though I will have to read more about it to be sure about that. I will also take another look at the sources used in the article to make sure the verbiage is supported by them. Remsense聊 17:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Battle of Taras led to the end of Tang expansion in Central Asia? 

message: @Qiushufang, hello. We won't do adding each belligerents to the result section even though they are participants. WP:RS cites this as the victory of Abbasids, supported by Tibetians. No need to add Abbasid-Tibetian victory. Imperial[AFCND] 14:43, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victory of alliance? 

message: The abbasids never conquered anywhere close to the hexi corridor. I assume this was a typo that meant the tibetan empire took the corridor. Waxwing96 (talk) 13:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The Tibetan takeover happened over a decade after the Battle of Talas per Military_history_of_the_Tang_dynasty#13th_Tibetan_Empire_(753). It is not substantiated in this article and is probably a reaching statement based on broad descriptions of the aftermath. Qiushufang (talk) 13:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Seizure of the Hexi Corridor by the Abbasids"