Talk:Kes (film)

message: In the article:
"There is a strong concentration on falconry in the film but the film does not encourage any illegal behaviour with respect to falcons"
This is non-factual POV so I called for a reference to back this up (sadly, for one thing no matter how well Billy treats Kes, he doesn't have a licence to keep birds of prey so is technically breaking the law). References have been provided but they were merelkkky more opinion POV, based on interpretations of the film dialogue and situations. A reference should be from a verifiable credible secondary source. WP:Verifiability So I am removing the 'references' and putting back the request for credible references. Magic Pickle 15:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "In sharp contrast to the US, falconry in Great Britain is permitted without a special license." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falconry, a license is not req'd. "However, a restriction exists of using only captive-bred birds.", but he uses a wild-bred bird. But this could be a new law, the article refers to the "1981 Wildlife & Countryside Bill" so it could have been legal in '69. QuentinUK (talk) 17:10, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Just checked A Manual of Falconry by Michael Woodford, 2nd Ed, this is the same book as Billy is seen reading in the film. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1jkgAQAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=kestrel this bird requires a license because it is/was a protected species and Billy would have known this. So the Wikipedia article is wrong! Other crimes seen in the film, stealing sweets, milk, Dandy comic, fraud (lying about age to get library membership), A Manual of Falconry book (although the book in the bookshop may not be the same book he's sat down with, it has a white cover with a picture of a goshawk) QuentinUK (talk) 11:03, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Illjjegal behaviour

message: Stoo-an extinct? I think not. Ever heard a Geordie speak (yes I know not a Yorkshire accent but still ...) Hmm. 
Candy 19:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Extinct?

message: I took a lot of what was good and reworded it. Added a brief synopsis with spoiler notice (haven't seen the film for about a year so my memories may be wrong). I purposefully left out Glover's highly amusing (or if you went to school in the north of England sadly accurate) reflection of some PE teachers because although wonderful it wouldn't have added anything.
I would like to try to find some references to the falconry issues in the book (both protests and perhaps info about how they trained the falcon for the film). 
The cast part should be expanded to include the main cast by character and actor's name (hence Mr Glover should be added here) and exactly where they were born perhaps (the actor whose name I forget playing the encouraging English teacher was a "foreigner" coming from the neighbouring county of lancashire.
I added extra refs inclucing the BFI top 10 which was already in the text. I removed the reference referred to in the above section (Vanity Here?) purely because compared with the other links it is clearly now sub-standard containing no relevent information to support the film except essentially an advertisement for a book. 
Leaving it up to others to make some contributions (probably correct typos and formatting as well) ;)  and perhaps take up the flame.  Candy 23:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They all did except for Brian Glover, who had a moderated Yorkshire accent.  I think that you are reffering to Welland here; he did have a slight Lancastrian twang, but he was generally R.P.  All the other teachers were R.P.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-xZnnPhN8  The only Yorkshire accent that this teacher could possibly have is Harrogate.  Note that saying "city" as citi was actually Standard English at one point before the Southerners got it changed.  Epa101 (talk) 20:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up and expansion 

message: I think this page needs a 'Spoilers' warning.
--Paucolpitts2 15:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, done. -- SteveCrook 00:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers 

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message: I have put a  next to the sentence about how Bradley and Fletcher were both born in Barnsley.  There are lots of sources saying that Bradley was but none on Fletcher.  http://books.guardian.co.uk/fba2005/story/0,,1657036,00.html  He worked at Grimethorpe colliery.  Epa101 (talk) 20:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Was Freddie Fletcher born in Barnsley?  Need a reference

message: I've been unable to find sources which confirm the dialogue has changed on the DVD release and more recent releases of the film. This doesn't seem likely and, as it has been unsourced for at least seven months, I've removed it per WP:V. --JD554 (talk) 14:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you've made the right decision.  I have heard the story before, but it may be an urban myth.  Wikipedia shouldn't really promote it.  90.197.171.208 (talk) 08:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I now own a copy of the undubbed version on DVD, from a recording made off BBC2 in the 1980s.  There is an undubbed version, but it is extremely rare.  I might see if I can upload some of the scenes that are different onto YouTube, but I don't know how to do this at present.  Epa101 (talk) 12:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are two versions available of the complete film on YouTube, The original undubbed version:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tynm2nopHLAand the new version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDpe_1WvEWMQuentinUK (talk) 16:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to dialogue 

message: *User:Anthony Appleyard reverted the edit I made, which acknowledged this film's presence on the BFI list of the 50 films you should see by the age of 14.  I reverted his reversion, and hope he'll discuss here any future attempt to do so again. 67.101.6.168 (talk) 08:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion 

message: Re; Citation given for the dubbing of accents in the later release. This isn't really how we use citations (i.e. in parentheses with name of paper and aprox year) but as it's the only one and I'm unfamiliar with the local Media in Yorks I have just commented it out for now in case someone can dig up the necessaries. --wintonian talk 20:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production - commented out citation 

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message: I dispute that "Neither topic is all that famous" as mentioned above. The film (& the book) of Kes are both quite famous in th UK if not elsewhere -- SteveCrook (talk) 13:00, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think one of them should be the primary topic? Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 13:06, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not really. Wikipedia often flags well known titles as "[title] (film" -- SteveCrook (talk) 09:14, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: On Wikipedia, when it comes to sorting articles of the same title, only one topic can be primary (if one among the set can be identified). You could have a very, very famous primary topic, then whatever would be considered the second-famous topic would be disambiguated just like the tenth-famous topic. So I would not read too much into the above IP editor not calling certain topics famous. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 11:51, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous? 

message: Is this section necessary? I'd go ahead and delete it were this not such an important article.
It's interesting to note how social changes have led to the re-classification of films, but that's hardly the subject of the article. It's still fun to remember, though, that any kid could back then get in to an "A" (Adult) classified presentation by approaching a friendly-looking family group in the queue asking, "Would you take me in, please?" (I was there, friends!) Much the same as the modern 12A certification, though kids these days are probably too paranoid about stranger danger. Willemslie (talk) 01:36, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Certification 

message: Hi all, I came to this article looking for more insight and background info on the movie and did not find as much as I thought it deserved, so have taken some time to expand it using resources I could find - including adding a brief summary of the plot to the lead, creating a new section "Background" for some of the material previously in "Production", adding a new section "Commentary" (regarding the film's themes etc.) and expanded "Reception" (by adding quotes from reviews). For the latter I have aimed to include a range of reviews that between them cover the different aspects of the movie and its significance rather than aim for duplication. Hopefully the article is better now and contains enough background to enhance the viewer's understanding of the movie which is fact in quite complex and far reaching in the ground that it covers. Regards Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 19:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article expansion August 2020 

message: Is it really necessary to have the "Original Research" tag at the top of the article? The sections on reception, themes, etc all seem to be pretty well-sourced to third party content. Thoughts?--Chimino (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR template