Talk:Ojamajo Doremi/Archive 2

message: I'm not sure how to add the header that says 'The following passage contains spoilers', but the part that explains what happens at the end of each series is a HUGE spoiler. If someone knows how to add it there, please do so!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.85.29 (talk) 20:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like this part to be removed from the article altogether and the themes section extended.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.137.15 (talk) 11:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

message: I have merged Doremi and Magical DoReMi into this page. - Squilibob 02:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work! ^^ I just saw it, and I must say it's much, much better this way. I would've waited until we'd have had more feedback, but since no one seems to be responding, then I guess it's alright. Lets see how this new change goes, no? Amina 03:22, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a great article, having two is far too confusing and I like that this article focuses more on the original version but still gives the 4 Kids version a fair and unbiased mention. In my opinion this exactly the approach we should take with this sort of anime & manga article. As a Amina said, great work! GracieLizzie 09:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The merge is a great idea, I was just wondering, and maybe I missed it,  but since the merge is it saying when it is airing, Magical DoReMi is airing on 4KidsTV or is that different depending on where you are? Sorry not sure how they do it but I have noticed on other pages they note the times the anime is airing either in Japan or in whatever country it is airing. Ryokosha 06:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I added a merge tag. It's the same show, isn't it? · Tygartl1·talk· 22:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand this discussion is at least a year old by now but I believe this article should be merged. First off, compared to how 4Kids dubbed other series, there is hardly much difference between the original version and the dub. Contrary to what many may think, the only changes were simply names and Americanized content. Some scenes were cut out but hardly did any damage to the original episode storyline. Besides, the two articles aren't any different anyway; the Magical DoReMi article is basically the same article except shorter and filled with dub names. 'Edit:' Never mind, these articles were merged already. Sorry. 71.146.73.235 (talk) 02:25, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Um... ok. I guess that's alright, but I think we should still keep some character information on this page (as in a general introduction to the character) and then get into more detail on the character pages, as well as for each season. Well... I can't help but think it's just sort of more confusing now. I don't mind the changes - not at all - but it would've been nice if you could have discussed it with the rest of the people working on this page before actually changing it. Amina 22:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well wikipedia is all about being bold and this has been done on dozens of other anime articles so I just went ahead and did it. You can add a synopsis for the characters or revert some of the changes to make the article more accessible as you have suggested. Nothing gets done by sitting around and discussing what should be done unless the changes will cause great contriversy, that's what Be Bold is all about. - Squilibob 05:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's alright. We'll just stick to your idea then. I really don't mind this change at all - in fact, I quite like it - I was just thinking that despite it had already been done in other anime articles you could've just given a heads-up beforehand. I've seen the characters page, and I think it would be a bit pointless for me to add any general introductions to characters, so lets just leave it as it is for now. Amina 07:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Well after much thought, I have decided to split this article up for a couple of reasons. Firstly I'd like to expand the characters a bit and so I have moved that information to its own page. I'm going to add images for each character, much like any other anime character pages. While doing this I have decided to also spilt each show into their own pages so that I can use Template:Infobox Animanga. Hopefully I can add images to each of those infoboxes too. - Squilibob 08:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... ok. I guess that's alright, but I think we should still keep some character information on this page (as in a general introduction to the character) and then get into more detail on the character pages, as well as for each season. Well... I can't help but think it's just sort of more confusing now. I don't mind the changes - not at all - but it would've been nice if you could have discussed it with the rest of the people working on this page before actually changing it. Amina 22:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well wikipedia is all about being bold and this has been done on dozens of other anime articles so I just went ahead and did it. You can add a synopsis for the characters or revert some of the changes to make the article more accessible as you have suggested. Nothing gets done by sitting around and discussing what should be done unless the changes will cause great contriversy, that's what Be Bold is all about. - Squilibob 05:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's alright. We'll just stick to your idea then. I really don't mind this change at all - in fact, I quite like it - I was just thinking that despite it had already been done in other anime articles you could've just given a heads-up beforehand. I've seen the characters page, and I think it would be a bit pointless for me to add any general introductions to characters, so lets just leave it as it is for now. Amina 07:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: UnMerge

message: (Continued from last comment in 'Merge')
Yes, Magical DoReMi's times depend on which coast of the United States you're living in. It also airs in Canada, but that's about it. Do you think it would be a good idea to put the times on the page for each time zone? Amina 07:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would, because it would allow people in those time zones to know when it is on and perhaps see it for themselves, it is also factual information that I think would fit nicely somewhere on the page. Ryokosha 16:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. ^^ Should we add some sort of table in the Magical DoReMi section of the page, maybe toward the end or to the side? Amina 16:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Under the English adaption section would be a good place, just after this sentence: In North America, 4Kids Entertainment has licensed the original show under the title Magical DoReMi, currently airing on 4Kids TV since September 10, 2005. Other licensed titles that do not have confirmed english names are Ojamajo Doremi ♯, Mōtto! Ojamajo Doremi and Ojamajo Doremi Dokkān.. I don't have a source for all the dates though. The sentences at the start of the article with all the stations could be moved to the same spot - Squilibob 23:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have all the dates either... on the 4Kids site it says that it's at 8:00 a.m., and then another at 8:30 a.m. The problem is I'm not sure which time zone it's for... do you think it might be Atlantic Time, since 4Kids is headquartered in New York? Amina 00:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can only speak for the Eastern Time Zone, but it is on then at 8:00 am and then again at 8:30 am. It is possible that it is on at 8:00 am in every time zone. Ryokosha 21:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but I think it's unlikely. Don't they have to air it all at the same time? I wonder if we could find a website with the calculations... Amina 22:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I found this site 4kids.tv previews which allows you to check the different times and they do differ slightly it seems, but I am not sure if it is so much by time zone as it is by station, which makes it harder to say when it is on, unless we give a time range since I think they are all sometime between 7:00 am and 9:00 am start times.Ryokosha 23:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the time range is the best idea until we figure out the actual times. Lets go ahead and add it, then. ^^ Amina 01:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would even go so far as to say that with the exception of Texas which only seems to have a 7:00 am statewide start time, most of the other states in any of the time zones favor the 8:00 am start time. There is one, and only one place that as a 5:00 am start, but so far I've only seen one place with that, the rest do fall in that time range. Ryokosha 01:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I seperated this discussion from 'Merge'. Hope you're ok with it. ^^; Anyway, wow, 5:00 a.m... I don't see how they're going to get many viewings at that hour. But anyway, I think you're right. We should put the start time, and then maybe say that Texas and any other states that don't begin at 8:00 a.m. are a liability, and maybe put their times. How does that sound? Amina 02:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a problem. That sounds good to me and I've been trying to see the various times, but for now just have that general range and the entire state of Texas being at 7:00 am. Yeah, 5:00 am is strange and is just one city I think in Tennessee. Ryokosha 02:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Show Times

message: Onpu's dub name has been discovered! It was on one of the merchandising sites: http://www.toywiz.com/magicaldoremi.html. I've already added it, and I put a footnote as well. Amina 02:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Onpu's Dub Name

message: I keep seeing people reverting the edits in the Story section to unbolded titles. It was originally bolded, so I'm just wondering why the edits keep getting reverted. Perhaps we could reach a consensus of some sort? Amina 18:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverting Edits?

message: The google hits for "Magical DoReMi" (4Kids' title) and "Ojamajo Doremi" are now just about equal.
I'm afraid that this page may get moved very, very soon.
See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=%22Magical+DoReMi%22+-wikipedia&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en
and
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=%22Ojamajo+DoReMi%22+-wikipedia&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en
The latter has 1,800 more, BUT keep in mind that prolly won't last long.
 WhisperToMe 04:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hullo Whisper. Long time no see, eh? ^^ Anyway, to the point... what is it? What do you mean moving? We've already decided upon this page, and it shan't be moved to yet another one - it's been moved too much already, and this was established as its home with no further moves at the beginning of the month, backed up by four people. Isn't there someway we could make both Ojamajo Doremi's hits and Magical DoReMi's hits go to this page? (As in, when searching for 'Magical DoReMi', this article would pop up.) Amina 23:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't quite understand... despite there were only four (not three) of us that decided upon this, no one bothered to debate against it or suggest something otherwise. And the only request to move the page is your own. Really, why can't we just leave it like this? You have a point with the English version becoming increasingly popular on the internet, but if we follow that line of thought, why not add the Italian version? Or the Chinese? Or the French? These are all equally popular, so why not umbrella them under the original Japanese version they're all based off of? I don't see how it hurts Wikipedia - in fact, I'd like to argue that it helps by informing the public of something it doesn't even know about. Furthermore, I'd say Wiki's Anime Project would rule over Naming Conventions, since it specialises to this article - it simply states original version names should be used and such - but we've already talked about that before. Besides, I just checked - Magical DoReMi redierects to Ojamajo Doremi, so I sincerely don't see what the problem is. Amina 01:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: What I mean is that if we use the English and Japanese versions, why not put in information about the rest of the world's dubs? (Like, 'Ojamajo Doremi in China' or 'Ojamajo Doremi in Italy'.) That's all I was saying. I also know perfectly well that  Toei Animation created the title 'Magical Doremi', and if the majority says I have no problem changing it as long as none of the content inside of this article is altered in any way. As in, no changing of original names to dub names when telling of the character (though beside their name header you can put the dub name), no use of dub titles and place names except when explaining the dub names for these, etc, etc. Anyway, I think we should wait for some more feedback from people before we make any decisions. Is that alright? Amina 23:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The page title

message: The current notes on Sawa Ishige were reading like she only voiced Poppu in one episode, which is incorrect. She has voiced Poppu throughout all of the series, OVA's, and movies. The other voice actress mentioned, Yuka Shino, was the one who only voiced her in one episode, and according to this source, it was episode 27 in the first series. --EmperorBrandon 02:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poppu's Japanese voice actress 

message: The last picture seems a bit fanish and not as professional looking as the rest of the page.  If its significant it should have a caption.  If not I would say ditch it. 69.121.109.152 22:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncaptioned last picture 

message: it's either trobble-some witch doremi, maho doremi, magical doremi,forte ojamajo doremi, ma magie ojamajo doremi or bothersome witch doremi, which one is the serie's official name?
Sir aaron sama girl 23:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The licensed first series of Ojamajo Doremi is officially called Magical DoReMi. It is currently no longer airing. All other seasons have not been translated into English. --Squilibob 00:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: name callings

message: I have noticed the article title Suzumiya Haruhi (series) has been changed as per Manual of Style. If no one objects, I will rename this article similarly. --Squilibob 13:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. --DarkAdonis255 13:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The page title again 

message: Who added the video game section. THERE ARE NO OJAMAJO DOREMI VGS!! I think there's only this on Playstaion one, but that's it.
And OD did'nt exist when SNES did!! Anime27life is full of wonders (talk) 01:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You should include translated and Japanese titles. A reference to confirm the existances of the games are on Bandai's website (see http://doremi.sol-aria.org/info.php?game). A brief description would be okay. Blackarcadia (talk) 08:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding Ojamajo Doremi Video Games

message: People should write to the animation company and convince them to continue making the series or make another series involving Fami, Doremi's granddaughter. This animation series is the best one I've ever seen. Hana is so funny as a kid, I wonder what kind of person she would be as an adult. I think the boy in the last episode of Dokkan Ojamajo Doremi was Akatsuki. 
-Fan of Ojamajo Doremi series
24.42.75.70 (talk) 23:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  continue the series 

message: I've just moved this article from Ojamajo Doremi (series) back to Ojamajo Doremi per WP:DAB#NAME, which calls for the simplest relevant name. The series title alone was just a redirect, so this shouldn't cause any trouble. --Masamage ♫ 03:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved 

message: I have tagged the accompanying article for cleanup. I won't try to understand how the article has come to present so little information that is clearly related to other parts of the article, but i will give some examples. I hope the examples will help editors who know a lot of what the series is about in their task of making what they know become clearer to readers who know very little.
# The first sentence says the article is about a series called Ojamajo Doremi. The second talks about four series and two movies and what sounds like a 13-part series, and apparently these form part (or all?) of a five-series meta-series (or maybe anything from a  4- to 7-series one). This would make some sense if OD were the metaseries, but the first sentence said it was a series, presumably like the series that make up the metaseries. I am left thinking to myself that maybe i have learned about a metaseries, and a separate series that doesn't belong to it, in which case i don't know why those two sentences would be put next to each other. But maybe the series in the first sentence is the metaseries in the second, and i've understood everything the editor(s) intend me to -- but in that case i think i should believe that they didn't bother to make it clear that they meant metaseries the first time they said "series", and i have to stay alert for other words that will change their meanings without notice.
# I came to the accompanying article to learn whether the link to it on the Dab page Hana should be fixed or just thrown away. The Dab page entry is for users who are looking for our article on the character Hana who appears in these works, but the "Ojamajo Doremi Sharp" paragraph mentions, for the first time in the article -- but as if they'd already been introduced -- Hana, Former Queen, and Hana-chan, and ends without using "Hana" (nor even "Hana-chan", if that's the same character) as the subject of a sentence. I decided to bend the guidelines of MoSDab, and keep the entry even tho nothing on this page gives coherent information on the character. 
--Jerzy•t 19:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup Tag 

message: This article is in need of a rewrite. Where needs information lacks it, and where doesn't need it is full of it. I believe the story section should be expanded, and we seriously don't need an "ending section" because that's what the story section is for.
I also believe that the Magical DoReMi articles and Ojamajo Doremi articles should be merged. Why should they be unmerged? I checked both articles and the only things I found different where that the Magical DoReMi articles have the English names, otherwise they're pretty much the same. I suggest if we merge them, when we list the episodes, we should just state basic changes (names, locations, items, some censorship) and that's it. Compared to what you may think, the 4Kids version is hardly any different than the original; it's just that there are a bunch of name changes and some scenes (that didn't do too much to completely change the episode story) were cut out.
Many of the individual series pages are way too short to be considered an article, so I think we should merge those too, if necessary. However, my main prioritized idea is to merge Magical DoReMi and Ojamajo Doremi together. 71.146.73.235 (talk) 02:25, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: Removed the line in Media implying that Toei arranged/is arranging a UK/Ireland Dub version of Ojamajo Doremi. I enquired to Toei about it and they denied any plan to do so.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.239.139 (talk) 07:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't doubt what you said, but can you provide proof? I totally believe you, but I'm just curious what Toei says. (O_o) Blackarcadia (talk) 08:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Dub 

message: Tokyo Mew Mew would helpful for Ojamajo/Magical Doremi: Merge "Magical" into "Ojamajo" and put more criticism over "Magical" in the "Reception" section. -- JSH-alive talk • cont • mail 00:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A featured case of TV anime heavily edited by 4Kids 

message: A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion 
or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please 
visit the discussion at 
Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 10:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

message: We should remove the "endings" section. It's not relevant. We're supposed to give an overview of the series, not the endings. It's not a spoiler page. If you want to include spoilers, you should integrate it into the "plot" section. There doesn't need to be any sections exclusively for "endings." Blackarcadia (talk) 08:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Endings section

message: Seriously! we already have a Magical DoReMi page, so why is this here? I think that this page should be removed.
--Geoffman13 (talk) 19:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, this article is based on the entire franchise as a whole, while Magical DoReMi just focuses on the first installment. I think we should merge the articles together (and the rest of the series since if they were standalone articles, they'd only be stubs). 71.146.90.98 (talk) 08:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does this page exist?  

message: As per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(anime-_and_manga-related_articles)#Article_names_and_disambiguation, I'm proposing renaming this article to Magical DoReMi, its international title. lullabying (talk) 18:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything, it would be "Magical Doremi" as we don't generally use FuNkY CaPs in article titles. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, even if it is stylized this way. Anyways, does anyone else agree with the notion of renaming the article? lullabying (talk) 05:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest posting on WT:ANIME to get a few more eyes looking at this. I think renaming to Magical Doremi would be good. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I think that Magical DoReMi would be fine and the best title. It's not FUnKY CapS because it's like the musical scale, with each capitalized. Voretus (talk) 01:57, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we've all reached an agreement here. Regarding any future releases, what should we do? Toei's English website lists the rest of the series as Magical Doremi #, Magical Doremi 3, Magical Doremi 4, and Magical Doremi 5. Shall we go by those names until then? lullabying (talk) 20:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

text: I see no need to do that. Although the American dub is sometimes unfaithful to the original, Toei still intended to call the show "Magical Doremi" internationally. This is the English Wikipedia and renaming this article "Magical Doremi" suits the Wikipedia Anime and Manga Manual of Style since "Magical Doremi" is the best known title. Despite this, we've come to an agreement to use "Magical Doremi" as a title, but keep the original names for the characters as they are better known than the English dub. lullabying (talk) 02:45, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename to Magical DoReMi