Talk:Curse of Billy Penn

message: FWIW, there's a new movie coming out on the topic: http://www.phrustratedphan.com -- MyrddinEmrys 02:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only problem is, having the link in the article makes it read like an advertisement for the movie, which is a no-no in Wikipedia.  If you want people to get more information, please create an article on the topic, The Curse of William Penn. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 12:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I know, that's why I didn't stick it in the article (though looking through the history, it looks like others have tried to...)!  And I'm not worried enough to be bothered creating a new article.  People in charge of the movie can do that if they wanna, I've got better things to do with my time.  I was mentioning it here more as an FYI to Wiki-Editors who also cared about this topic, and who would thus be reading this page...  -- MyrddinEmrys 02:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Curse of William Penn

message: Why is this the curse of "Billy" Penn, when all the information inside it calls it "William Penn," including the movie title? —ScouterSig 19:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question!  I don't actually have any idea, beyond noting that I've always heard "Billy" when people are talking about "the curse."  FWIW Dept!  :-/ -- MyrddinEmrys 02:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

text: That's how everyone in Philadelphia seems to refer to it, including local sportscasters.  I'll try to find a citation.
Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billy = William?? 

message: I think that we should remove the reference to MOVE; it isn't really relevant, and is unsourced anyway.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, seeing no objections I went ahead and removed the MOVE reference.  Original text is quoted here.  
  In a coincidence, the ground was broken on the same day as the MOVE tragedy that left numerous members of a radical "Back to Africa" group dead, and burned down several blocks of West Philadelphia neighborhood.
Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MOVE 

message: A source was recently added by an unregistered user for the reference to the Gentlemen's Agreement not to build a building taller than the statue.  I altered the format of the footnote so it worked right, but in so doing I checked the source page; the source page () claims that it was itself adapted from Wikipedia, and upon checking the Wikipedia article on William Penn, the relevant statement regarding the Gentlemen's Agreement is unsourced.  Is it appropriate for a Wikipedia article to site a website that itself sites another Wikipedia article?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the aforementioned source, based on comments obtained at WP:RSN.  I will replace it with a more appropriate one at the earliest opportunity.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:16, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gentlemen's Agreement Source 

message: Just saw this article for the first time - it's pretty light on references and is mostly original research, although I'm confident the sources exist to tighten it up. I've tagged it accordingly. Mr. Darcy talk 01:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refimprove 

message: Because the Curse is currently in the past, so to speak, much of the article must be changed to the past tense.  I'll do what I can, but I don't know if I'll pick up on all of them, so help me out if you can.  Matt White (talk) 02:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifted Curse + Tenses 

message: Do you think this article should be moved to an article like "Philadelphia Sports Curses?" I believe so. Curse of Billy Penn is not the only curse that was inflicted on Philadelphia sports teams, also according to John Smallwood of The Philadelphia Daily News there's another curse on Philadelphia sports teams, which is known as "Curse of the Inauguration," as the city's sports teams have lost a championship during a presidential inaugural year since the 76ers lost the 1977 NBA Finals. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 19:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the first I've heard of it.  Do you have any references for it besides Smallwood?  Has anyone else ever referred to it?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Smallwood was the only reference I can think of. Other than that, I have cited the championship losses by all Philadelphia teams during presidential inaugural years since 1977. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 15:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A single mention by Smallwood doesn't even establish notability for this supposed inauguration curse, much less warrant moving this article.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Otherwise, do you think there should be a new section in the article about the "Curse of the Inauguration?" I think so. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 23:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's end this discussion. All I can say is this: until teams from Philadelphia win a championship in a presidential inauguration year, remnants of the Curse of Billy Penn will be alive and well, as the only years the city's teams played for championships during those 25 years were years presidents were inaugurated. The losses by the Phillies in  and Flyers in  make this clear, as the loss by the Flyers was the first time since they themselves lost in  that a team in Philadelphia lost a championship in a non-presidential inauguration year. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 18:18, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Curse of Billy Penn and the "losing in presidential inauguration years" trivia have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Claiming it as the "real reason" Philly teams failed to win championships is really quite ridiculous and exhibits a tremendous logic fail on the part of the person who wrote that. Doesn't that person realize that there are no such things as curses? The reason for a Curse of Billy Penn article is not because the Flyers/Eagles/Phillies/76ers were actually cursed, but because, like the Curse of the Bambino or the Curse of the Billy Goat, some people believed they were cursed. And unlike the presidential inauguration trivia, the Curse of Billy Penn had a backstory and was written about every time a Philadelphia team fell short of a title for nearly a decade until the Phillies won in 2008. Also, I looked up the Smallwood article and it's really nothing more than a fluff piece written in a tongue-in-cheek manner. --70.15.124.143 (talk) 04:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Move article

message: Sorry for being a dick, I just can't comprehend the egregious nature of the speculations contained in the article. I know, make my critiques on the talk page, blah blah squawk squawk.. i know, ok? thanks. I hope we get this revised and resolved expediently. In good faith and to all our well being אΏ ‡†‡ Bobkustofawitshz (talk) 04:09, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry 

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