Talk:Railways in Melbourne

message: Does anyone know when the Richmond LCD screens will be turned on, and why the Spencer Street ones were undergoing problems (flickering) until recently?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verysharpnewspaper (talk • contribs) 04:32, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richmond Station LCD Screens

message: I don't think this article should have been moved to Metlink Melbourne, Metlink refers to the entire public transport system including trams and buses and this article contains a great deal of history predating Metlink. I recommend it be changed back to Railways in Melbourne and Metlink Melbourne redirected to Metlink. --Canley 14:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree 100%.  Lokicarbis 15:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, Metlink is the company that runs the public transport system, whereas this article is about the railway network, the infrastructure. It's a completely separate topic. --bainer (talk) 04:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Related to the above, to the unfamiliar, the infobox reads as though Metlink began in 1854, which is not true. --ozzmosis 07:24, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've subsequently removed most of the Metlink references.  Connex is the railway operator anyway, not Metlink. [] --ozzmosis 07:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Metlink 

message: I think that most of the information under "Southeastern suburban lines", etc., should be removed to the articles for each line, and just general or summary statements left in this article.  Agreed?  Philip J. Rayment 13:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There being no objection, I'll probably start doing this in the next few days.  Philip J. Rayment 14:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't necessarily remove it all, as without some history it risks becoming an article of interest mainly to gunzels. What might be a more effective means of conveying the section would be to do it chronologically and cut out the unnecessary detail to provide for a unified history of the network, instead of a series of small line histories. Rebecca 12:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I intended to leave some history of the network as a whole, as distinct from individual line histories.  Things like the start of the network, electrification, privatisation, etc.  Philip J. Rayment 14:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea --Grahamec 02:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got a bit distracted on other things, but I am slowly working my way through putting these on the individual lines.  Once I've finished all the lines, I'll amend this article.  Philip J. Rayment 02:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove line histories 

message: I've created a Google Earth overlay of the greater metro Melbourne railways. I would like to have a link to this added to the External Links section of this article, as I believe it greatly expands the potential impact and provides a detailed visual representation of some of the information.
I'd like someone to decide if it fits or not, and if so, add it.
http://www.johnshadbolt.com/ged/#melbMetro
Thanks, JohnnoShadbolt 12:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That has to be at least as relevant as 'Fully packed train during rush hour'. Added. timg231 03:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Earth rail overlay 

message: Please see User:Mangoe/Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable for a proposed policy on public transport. Josh Parris#: 01:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Culled it right down - if you want to know about timetables - go to the Connex website! Now it just mentions loop - vs - direct trains and such - no times. Wongm 07:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed policy on public transport 

message: I don't see the logic in having the M>train name on the Comeng refurbishment summery, M>Train no longer exist, I see this as fit by Connex having the trains refurbished. Adrian90 10:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The M>Train refurbishments we caried out by that company when they were still around, and differed from those undertaken by Connex to their trains - they were done by different contractors, and the additions made to the trains meant the two types were not not able to run together. Wongm 06:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comeng Refurbishment 

message: At the present time, the smaller stubs of lines from bigger ones are treated as branches off the main one. For example, the Hurstbridge line branching off the Epping, stations between the city and Clifton Hill belong to one line, not the other. The rails do happen to treat the lines in this way, to to the layperson the stations before Clifton Hill are shared by both lines. (Stony Point, Williamstown and Alamein would be exceptions - operated as shuttles)
Who thinks 'common' stations between lines should be common between line articles? I think they should be shared. Wongm 10:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed 124.190.196.150 (talk) 08:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree. Rebecca (talk) 08:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Branches of lines 

message: I don't know who is responsible for the Melbourne railway network map however it appears that Reservoir is spelled incorrectly. On the diagram it is spelled as Resevoir with an "r" missing.  NewAust (talk) 11:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Network Map 

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message: This page is too biased. Should we have criticisms and controversies over the rail network in Melbourne? That way, people could learn the advantages and disadvantages over the rail network. 
For example, like: "Some problems of the rail network is that the trains are crowded". Joe9320-1000000 articles more to be edited, One dream. (talk) 09:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need criticism 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Railways in Melbourne]] 

message: In the article opening it says Melbourne's suburban railway network consists of 16 electrified lines, the central City Loop subway, and 200 stations, with a total length of 830 km of electrified lines, but then under Operations>Infrastructure we get The Melbourne suburban rail network consists of 16 electrified lines, the central City Loop subway, and 200 stations, with a total length of 372 km of electrified lines (emphasis mine). Obviously both can't be correct, but I don't know enough about the system to state which is right. Daduzi talk 19:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: The map on the top of the page has the South Morang line finishing at Epping - which was correct for when it was made, but is no longer accurate since last month. Lochok (talk) 13:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map out of date 

message: The History section is extensive and contains only one source. I'm certain the quality of information is high but it really needs some support with reliable sources. Flat Out (talk) 23:36, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research

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message: I've created a new map using OSM data on the maplink template showing all the suburban rail lines. I saw a similar map on the Transperth Trains page and thought it'd be cool to recreate it for Melbourne. It allows viewers to zoom in and out. Let me know if there are any issues, I hope I've gotten the metro tunnel to display correctly (I had to change some OSM labelling to get it to work so it may take a little time to update for everyone). I added it to the infrastructure section, but it might make sense elsewhere, if so please move or relabel. I was trying to create a similar map for the trams but I can't get it to work, though it should be possible to create one for v/line.
The only issue is that is doesn't display the recent extension to Mernda, this is a problem in the OSM route data/layer. I don't know how to fix it, so if anyone does know please help! Gracchus250 (talk) 07:08, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There's an problem with the map where the link to make it full screen and interactive isn't working -- thankfully this bug has been reported and will hopefully be resolved soon: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221439 Gracchus250 (talk) 00:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the comment! There is a 'suburban services' section in this article, so perhaps the map better belongs there than in the 'infrastructure' section? The map uses Open Street Map data, which as far as I can tell doesn't include freight lines as separate relations that I can use unfortunately. It does include v/line, however, and I'm working on a map with just v/line and one with both metro and v/line. I still think it's useful having an interactive map of some sort on this page because it's the primary page for railways in Melbourne and the interactive map provides some context for the history section and metro services, though you're right about better delineation for the two pages. Gracchus250 (talk) 00:25, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  New interactive map 

message: Thanks  for the recent additions of stations that are host and premium. I think this info is important, but would it make more sense as a new column on the page List of Melbourne railway stations? The section on this page could include your explanation of the host/premium station and the context about the stalled expansion plan for premium stations, and linking to the station list for a full list of which stations are premium or not. I also don't think it make sense to include the list of stations that will no longer be upgraded to premium. Gracchus250 (talk) 07:29, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: has actually merged the entire contents of premium station and host station into this article. I think the merger is a good idea but a merge discussion would have been appropriate before doing so. I'm going to strip the section right back for now as it's completely out of date and also probably not appropriate for a detailed treatment here as you say. A short explanation on the list page would make a lot of sense. Triptothecottage (talk) 07:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

text: I have attributed the merger in a dummy edit. I strongly suggest you read WP:MERGE before making similar edits in future. Triptothecottage (talk) 07:53, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this, that makes more sense that it was merged. Gracchus250 (talk) 08:30, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Premium and host stations 

message: Hi all,
I saw a picture of the new Moreland railway station yesterday and saw that the train platform signage has changed yet again. It seems there is a redesign that has an horizontal colour strip to represent the train group the station or line is in (Northern, Caulfield etc). Are we going to uniformly do so for the Metropolitan station names in Melbourne or keep the current blue colourway?
Here is the signage in question via a post on Facebook in the 'Urban Sprawl Memes for Hoddle Grid Teens' page. 
 
APNOneTwo (talk) 01:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Station Platform Colour Change? 

message: Could someone please update Railways in Melbourne#Current fleet to update the information on the HCMT trains? Sorry, I’m currently really busy on another project. Thanks, Fork99 (talk) 23:02, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  HCMT update needed 

message: An editor changed the article title from "Railways in Melbourne" to "Rail transport in Melbourne" arguing this aligns better with the dominant form of article titles on this concept in other countries and sub-country jurisdictions. I understand the reasoning, but am not entirely convinced, so would like to see what other editors think. First, the other Australian capitals like Sydney use "Railways in Sydney" so consistency is required there and this change affects those articles (consistency here is more important in my opinion than consistency with international articles). Second, this article is not about all rail transport in Melbourne, otherwise it would have to be half dedicated to the tram network. There is a separate article "Trams in Melbourne", and this article is the other side of that, about the suburban rail network, its infrastructure and history. An article combining both would be too long. It is also separate from the "Metro Trains Melbourne" article because that is about the current network operator, and this has tended to change in Melbourne every decade or so. For this reason I think the name change potentially makes the title misleading. There already exists a "Rail transport in Victoria" article that summarises the various networks and infrastructure in the state, this article is specifically about the heavy rail system in Melbourne. It is a unique format I guess but I think it has come about because of the particular history and structure of the heavy rail networks in Australian cities. I am curious what others think. Gracchus250 (talk) 07:47, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add that maybe the title should be changed to "Melbourne rail network" or something similar to better reflect that it's primarily about the city's heavy rail system and its history, rather than a summary of different railways in Melbourne. This is also how it is referred to at the start of the article and in other articles. Gracchus250 (talk) 07:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title change 

message: Under Infrastructure is a table showing how many kms of track there is. Underneath the table it mentions new track built since 2012 (when the table seems to be accurate to). This should either be factored into the data in the table, or if the data already is, the statement should be removed. Also it may be worth and addition to the table stating how much track is broad gauge and how much is standard gauge in the government owned network (I am assuming the table only refers to state owned track). 4rkange1 (talk) 02:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the table using 2019 data in BITRE, which is usually the main source for these figures. They have actually mostly gone down despite the network expansions and I cannot say why as there is little information about how this data is calculated. If you find metropolitan data on gauges then please add it but I'm not aware of recent figures on that, usually that information is presented at a state level rather than metropolitan. Remember too that metropolitan Melbourne is an arbitrary line on a map so there's limited usefulness of metro level data anyway. All the track in Melb/Victoria is state-owned, so there's nothing else to include. Gracchus250 (talk) 01:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Route length Chart and gauge chart 

message: Need a picture of the front of a Myki card for the Fares and tickets section. I have placed a Metcard picture for the time being. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 07:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need a picture of a Myki 

message: Should we have a page for "Timeline of electrification" or "Timeline of railways in Melbourne"? I was thinking of a hybrid of these Norwegian timelines, Timeline of railway electrification in Norway, Chronology of Norwegian railway lines. Listing when the various lines both opened, when they were electrified, and when they were closed.
If this sounds good, I'll work on a mockup of what I'm proposing. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 08:09, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline of electrification/railways in Melbourne 

message: Should the Melbourne's commuter rail network be updated to include Metro Tunnel, Melbourne Airport Rail & Pakenham East extension? -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 00:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You can see how this will look here. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 10:32, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melbourne's commuter rail network