Talk:Köke Temür

message: It looks like the spelling Kökö Temür is much more common than Köke Temür in print: Amazon Koke Temur vs Amazon Koko Temur, Google Books Koke Temur vs Google Books Koko Temur
Should this article be renamed?  Or is there some reason behind the current transliteration?  --Billgordon1099 (talk) 18:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess is that the current transliteration is from classical Mongolian script for "Blue" (=Köke) plus "Iron" (=Temür). I am actually not that good at reading classical Mongolian script yet, but judging from the transliteration table given in that article, final "e" and final "ö" are distinct enough to rule out any confusion originating from that transliteration. My guess is that either transliterating the word from the classical script's "blue" is for some reason deemed questionable, or, IMO more likely, the "Koko" is just a left-over from the time when the Mongolian designation of Lake Qinghai was transscribed into Koko-nur instead of Köke naγur -i.e. from some antiquated transscription. But you should really look for "Köke Temür", not for "Koke Temur". Yaan (talk) 12:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: P.S. I think User:Nanshu might be more qualified to comment on which Romanization is better. He seems to have been inactive for some weeks now, however. Yaan (talk) 14:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename to Kökö Temür?

message: These sources say Koke Temur (Wang Baobao) had a Chinese father and a Turkic mother (probably a Buddhist Uighur). ( In the article is says his mother was the daughter of a Mongolian prince (does "Mongolian prince", mean "ethnic Mongol", or does it just mean that it could be a Turkic prince who had a title granted to him by the Mongols?) The Ming Hongwu Emperor married Koko Temur's sister to his own brother Zhu Shuang after capturing her.
http://books.google.com/books?id=SQWW7QgUH4gC&pg=PA522#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=1M5wAAAAMAAJ&q=Koko+Temur+sister&dq=Koko+Temur+sister&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OVdKUtmgNJi14APM64GgBw&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBA
http://books.google.com/books?id=aU5hBMxNgWQC&pg=PA23&dq=Koko+temur+sister&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0k9KUqGHHZK-4AOSw4GIBg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Koko%20temur%20sister&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tyhT9SZRLS8C&pg=PA128&dq=Koko+temur+sister&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0k9KUqGHHZK-4AOSw4GIBg&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Koko%20temur%20sister&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Fo4wAQAAIAAJ&q=Koko+temur+sister&dq=Koko+temur+sister&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0k9KUqGHHZK-4AOSw4GIBg&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAg
http://books.google.com/books?ei=91JKUqGlB8b54AOGoIDYDQ&id=Fo4wAQAAIAAJ&dq=Another+brother%2C+Chu+Shuang%2C+married+the+sister+of+Koko+Temur+%28d.+1375%29+at+a+time+when+Chu+Yuan-+chang+was+soliciting+his+support+in+the+struggle+against+the+Mongols.+Koko+Temur+decided+against+supporting+Chu%27s+cause%2C+however%2C+and+Chu+...&q=Koko+temur+sister#search_anchor
http://books.google.com/books?id=067On0JgItAC&pg=PA724#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=067On0JgItAC&pg=PA727&lpg=PA727&dq=koko+temur&source=bl&ots=5PBruLq-I8&sig=l03AxYE2HeLZkNMaGwQQxZ3GKRU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nGVRU7adGpasyAS224AQ&ved=0CGsQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=koko%20temur&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tyhT9SZRLS8C&pg=PA114#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tyhT9SZRLS8C&pg=PA21#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tyhT9SZRLS8C&pg=PA23&dq=koko+temur&hl=en&sa=X&ei=amZRU53zBs3jsAT8moDQAQ&ved=0CFUQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=koko%20temur&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=JWpF-dObxW8C&pg=PA1279&dq=koko+temur&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tm1RU9KjDcvksAThhYHgCw&ved=0CGAQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=koko%20temur&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Y38YAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA64&dq=chaghan+wang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rP74U_iKH8KxyATHqoHoAg&ved=0CEUQ6AEwCQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=se_OWGwQ_dcC&pg=PA64&dq=chaghan+wang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rP74U_iKH8KxyATHqoHoAg&ved=0CD8Q6AEwCA
http://books.google.com/books?id=yzWsAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA59&dq=chaghan+wang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rP74U_iKH8KxyATHqoHoAg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=chaghan%20wang&f=false
page 69
http://books.google.com/books?id=PWBwAAAAMAAJ&q=chaghan+wang+baobao&dq=chaghan+wang+baobao&hl=en&sa=X&ei=a__4U-vzGsSVyASc1IDADQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAw
page 8
http://books.google.com/books?id=CtRwAAAAMAAJ&q=chaghan+Temiir+wang&dq=chaghan+Temiir+wang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9v_4U7vaHIn9yQTP8oG4CQ&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAzgK
Red Turban war
http://books.google.com/books?id=Z6MBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA325&dq=chaghan+kuku&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dAH5U76yKcSbyATt7oH4Ag&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=chaghan%20kuku&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=0644AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA325&dq=chaghan+kuku&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dAH5U76yKcSbyATt7oH4Ag&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=chaghan%20kuku&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=e4PErdXlLhwC&pg=PA325&dq=chaghan+kuku&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dAH5U76yKcSbyATt7oH4Ag&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAg
page 326
http://books.google.com/books?id=amFtAAAAMAAJ&q=chaghan+kuku+timur&dq=chaghan+kuku+timur&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hQH5U_XjKMO1yATp0IGoBg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAw
Rajmaan (talk) 18:28, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed one of your sources which is evidently wrong, because Zhu Shuang was Zhu Yuanzhang's son, not brother. Timmyshin (talk) 01:54, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for ancestry