Talk:BBC Breakfast

message: Although references are listed, they should be formatted so they fit into the article as per: Wikipedia:Citing sources Escaper7 13:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Too detailed, too long; needs organising into one coherent alphabetical list Escaper7 13:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tidied it a bit but could it be improved further? Wikiwoohoo talk 19:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just think a former presenter is a former presenter, doesn't matter whether they were a newsreader, sport presenter etc.  An alphabetical list would look much more encyclopaedic. Escaper7 11:35, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had been thinking the same myself. You're right, it would look better that way. I'll have a go now. Wikiwoohoo talk 21:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Former presenters

message: I've reverted the article to the previous version because I think it was the better choice for the article. It seemed odd to have an article about one program start with a full description of another (Breakfast Time) when that article already has it's own entry and is linked from this article. The heritage from Breakfast Time to Breakfast is laid out in a clearer fashion in the previous version. - X201 10:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree but the article does need a bit of an overhaul, especially the history section which is a jumble of tenses and styles. Escaper7 17:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cleaned the article up significantly. It could still do with some work though. Wikiwoohoo 21:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice job on the clean up. The one problem I've personally got with the BBC Breakfast article itself is the fact that it's listed as a separate programme (which it is) but the article alludes to it being the same programme as Breakfast Time (which it isn't). Either the Breakfast Time and Breakfast News articles need to be merged into this and it to be renamed BBC Breakfast Programmes (Yeah, bad title but you get the idea) or for the Breakfast Time and Breakfast News bits to be briefly mentioned as predecessors with links to their own articles. What do you think? - X201 22:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I think your idea for mentioning the previous programmes and adding links to the main articles is the best idea. I left the mentions in before as notes on the heritage of Breakfast so to speak; each programme was effectively relaunched out of the previous one. Wikiwoohoo 14:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  26 Jan 2007 Revert 

message: When Declan is away doing special reports, the business bulletins were filled in with a younger woman. I don't know her name but she is not in the article. It would be worth noting her. AndrewJDTALK -- 20:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would probably be Manisha Tank. She was in the article, I put her there and I didn't realise that she had been removed. - X201 21:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: or indeed Susannah Streter - X201 07:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buisness Reporter 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Breakfast logo.png

message: I understand that references to the original show (Breakfast Time) were overlong at one stage, but by excising them completely the reviser made several factual errors, compressing events that had been separated by years. I have therefore corrected the opening paragraph.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.42.88 (talk) 09:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I like what you've done to it. A nice edit. Although none of the text was mine to begin with (or since) I only did the revert. - X201 (talk) 10:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  26 Jan 2007 Revert 

message: Could someone find a way of highlighting the presenter's current positions more clearly? Bill Turnbull now has three different 'Roles' listed, which makes it difficult to easily see what he does there now. If he left, he wouldn't be listed in the table, so as it's for current presenters only surely the current presenters' roles should be more prominent. Perhaps by bolding them, or using different colours?
--88.104.162.64 (talk) 11:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the table currently looks messy.  I was going to change it to fit in with the style used on the other bulletins articles eg. BBC News at Six.  This does not include former roles, but I don't think they are needed within the table.  However I was going to wait a few weeks to see what the new rotas are.  It appears to be Bill and Susanna (Mon-Wed), Charlie and Louise (Thu-Sat) with Sundays being ? (this week it's Naga and Nick).  We also don't know which relief presenters are going to appear and how regularly, which is why I thought waiting a few weeks might be a good idea.  But due to all the edit attempts which have messed up the table I might have to do it now and just leave Sundays and relief presenters slightly ambiguous. Uvghifds (talk) 15:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see why you waited! I'm guessing one reason for the past roles to be listed is because, more than on any other programme, the presenters have had different roles since joining Breakfast, and to list Susanna Reid as either '2012-present' or '2004-present Main presenter' would be misleading. Could one solution be to list their time at the programme in the 'Years' column, and then find a way of putting the dates for their current assingment next to role (so, Susanna would be at breakfast '2004-present', and then 'Main presenter (since 2012)', or something to that effect? Any better solutions are welcome... --88.104.162.64 (talk) 00:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Presenters list

message: After reverting some edits to the presenters table last night I wanted to outlign the current situation with the presenters table.  This is the message I left on the user's talk page which I felt other editors may want to see:
The main point was to keep the presenters table on the BBC Breakfast article in the same style as other BBC News tables.  I would refer you to articles such as the BBC News at Six, GMT and PM to see how this style is used across a variety of articles.  If you order presenters by year you end up sometimes with the anomaly occasional relief presenters being listed above the main presenter.  Personally, I think that is not the most user-friendly way we can display information.  
The established order used in these tables is:
1) Main presenter(s) 
2) Deputy presenter (s) 
3) Regular reliefs 
4) Occasional reliefs 
Not all of these categories apply to every article.  Usually presenters within each section are ranked by frequency of their appearances.  This may be alphabetical in some articles though.
In the BBC Breakfast table, it seems strange to place Kate Silverton above Charlie Stayt and Louise Minchin as she currently is only an occasional presenter (who hasn't actually presented from Salford yet).  I don't think that puts across acurately the personalities you are likely to see on screen.
We have had quite a few problems with the presenters table in the BBC Breakfast article since the move to Salford with all the changes.  The set-up of the table was the one agreed between the editors who had been making the initial changes.  I will change the order of the table back to the format it was in before (fixing any small errors I can see) tomorrow, if I have not heard back from you.  Please feel free to leave me a message if there is anything I have said which you fundamentally disagree with.  For me, the most important thing is to keep the aricle in line with as many BBC News programmes as we can. 
Best wishes 
Uvghifds (talk) 13:45, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presenters tables 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have removed (multiple times) the "Episode guide" and non-notable presenters from this page per WP:NOTTVGUIDE and WP:LISTPEOPLE. Please do  re-add. If people want to know what days they presenters are hosting, then they will go to the BBC Breakfast website or look at their TV guide... something Wikipedia is not. If users (both I.P.s and created accounts) want to continue this... as in edit warring... I will take the user(s) to an admin. Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 19:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Clearly fails WP:NOTTVGUIDE and WP:BALASPS. Removed again. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 00:40, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Please read the above comments, . We've made it pretty clear on why the Episode guide can't be listed. Wikipedia is not a TV Guide. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 21:20, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hope you don't mind, I've moved your reply as it was in the middle of Bob's unsigned reply and template pasting. - X201 (talk) 15:41, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Not at all, ! Thanks for cleaning up the mess! Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 15:52, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode guide and presenters 

message: Note [1] - Minichin hosted until 0730, Nugent presented from 0730 until the end of the programme at 0915.
2017                        	Monday                    	Tuesday                   	Wednesday                                   	Thursday                     	Friday                       	Saturday                     	Sunday
1 January 2017              	                          	                          	                                            	                             	                             	                             	Roger Johnson
2-8 January 2017            	Dan Walker                	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin                  	Charlie Stayt  Louise Minchin	Charlie Stayt  Louise Minchin	Jon Kay  Rachel Burden       	Ben Thompson  Sian Lloyd
9-15 January 2017           	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin                  	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	Christian Fraser  Tina Daheley
16-22 January 2017          	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin                  	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	Roger Johnson  Rachel Burden
23-29 January 2017          	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin                  	Jon Kay  Steph McGovern      	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	Ben Thompson  Sally Nugent
30 January - 5 February 2017	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin	Dan Walker  Louise Minchin	Dan Walker Louise Minchin/  Sally Nugent [1]	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	Charlie Stayt  Steph McGovern	[[[Christian Fraser]]  Tina Daheley
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob N1C2 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the above comments, . We've made it pretty clear on why the Episode guide can't be listed. Wikipedia is not a TV Guide. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 21:20, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hope you don't mind, I've moved your reply as it was in the middle of Bob's unsigned reply and template pasting. - X201 (talk) 15:41, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Not at all, ! Thanks for cleaning up the mess! Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 15:52, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode Guide

message: There is no point in having a presenter list on this page if it does not include some of the daily presenting line up. As the page has been left it gives the impression that the Business segment has been scrapped which is not the case. For this reason it is neccessary to list Ben Thompson amongst the presenters to provide clarity however notable or not his other work has been.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.167.231.133 (talk) 17:57, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presenters 

message: I have removed this section because the accusation that BBC Breakfast deliberately used the wrong footage of Boris Johnson in order to mislead viewers and present a pro-Conservative version of events lacks credibility, and is not notable enough to be included in the article without supporting evidence.
I have tried to find sources to support the claim that the wrong footage was used deliberately and have found none. The only evidence found in the supporting article is the claim from one twitter user that such a mistake would be "difficult to make". The tweet provides no evidence of why this would be the case, and the user does not even state in what capacity she worked for the BBC or how long ago. A google search reveals multiple news articles referring to the mistake and the BBC's apology for it, and some articles referring to the reaction on social media, including allegations of a conspiracy or cover-up. Still, none of these articles show any evidence to support the claim.
I have sought guidance from wikipedia guidelines on the reporting of allegations of bias but haven't found any concrete guidance on this subject. I will therefore have to fall back on basic principles of editing: citing reliable sources (WP:CITE, WP:RS) and neutral point of view (WP:NPOV and, in particular, WP:WEIGHT). On the first point, only one source is cited in the article. The Independent is not a reliable source in this case because it is a proudly anti-Conservative/pro-Labour publication, so has an interest in publishing stories that either portray Conservatives negatively or support theories of anti-Labour bias. Other outlets that ran with the story included the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Sun newspapers - all of which are hostile to the BBC and have an interest in stories that portray the BBC negatively.
Given the lack of reliable sources for the story, I do not think that the section maintains a neutral point of view, as it gives undue weight to the allegations without considering the veracity of the allegations or the political motives of those making them. In fact, the section title "Controversies" itself gives undue weight to these allegations, as it implies that there may be legitimate discussion to be had about whether the allegations that BBC Breakfast set out to mislead are true. In fact, there is no such discussion, as no evidence for the allegations has been cited.
carelesshx talk 03:08, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed 'Accusation of political bias' section (Boris Johnson cenotaph clip) 

message: I have been left with lung conditions due to the negligence of my landlord from the aspergilloses in the black mould in my home . 
Spencer Gy 2A00:23EE:1440:4650:114D:D903:25BF:2D54 (talk) 07:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damp mould 

message: I have been left with lung conditions due to the negligence of my landlord . Happy to discuss .
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07958192999 2A00:23EE:1440:4650:114D:D903:25BF:2D54 (talk) 07:32, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mould / aspergillosis 

message: Someone has put Carol Kirkwood's last date on Breakfast as the year 2028, is it true she is leaving in 2028 as it's too early to say Katherine Northey (talk) 19:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever added it didn't provide a source, so I've reverted it. - X201 (talk) 20:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carol Kirkwood 

message: soneone has removed almost all content on this page Katherine Northey (talk) 18:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism