Talk:De Loys's ape

message: Would there be any correlation between De Loy's Ape (Loysi) and Bigfoot? Should we make note in the article of this possible correlation? (both are large, unknown "primates," who walk bi-pedal)--Jennifer M 01:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "We", the encyclopedia authors, shouldn't make any speculation.  However, it is OK for us to [i]report[/i] speculations which have previously been published.  So if you can find evidence that some noted cryptozoologist said or wrote that she thinks [i]A. loysi[/i] is Bigfoot, then go ahead and mention that. —Psychonaut 06:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No real connection in the sense of a relationship. The common features are pretty much limited to what you state: 2 unknown primates that are said to walk upright. There is no question that the red South American ape (also called the 'Didi') is an ape, while all reports of the North American Bigfoot/Sasquatch complex stress how 'human' they appear up close. Even De Loys' report mentions that the apes approached them from the trees, then stood upright. CFLeon 02:56, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bigfoot Connection? 

message: ===Ateles species===
Of the 7 species, Ateles belzebuth (White-fronted) and Ateles hybridus (Brown) are probable, and Ateles fusciceps (Black-headed) and Ateles geoffroyi (Geoffroy's) are barely possible candidates for spider monkeys encountered by de Loys' expedition, FWIW. I remember reading belzebuth but not hypridus specifically, though whether this is based on good analysis or just ignorance about the latter I know not. Dysmorodrepanis 01:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone else is curious: yes, it absolutely says that in the French journal article by Montadon. --tronvillain (talk) 18:27, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Stuff

message: Of the 7 species, Ateles belzebuth (White-fronted) and Ateles hybridus (Brown) are probable, and Ateles fusciceps (Black-headed) and Ateles geoffroyi (Geoffroy's) are barely possible candidates for spider monkeys encountered by de Loys' expedition, FWIW. I remember reading belzebuth but not hypridus specifically, though whether this is based on good analysis or just ignorance about the latter I know not. Dysmorodrepanis 01:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Ateles'' species

message: Should it not be François de Loys? Dysmorodrepanis 01:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[François De Loys]]

message: I assume nobody has ever tried reproducing the photo with a dead A. belzebuth (or hybridus, etc.) and a box of the right size (i.e. gauging the size by the monkey and not by assuming it was that-and-that kind of box) and see where it'll get you, no? Enterprising Wikipedians, here might be your chance to be famous. Be aware that playing around with dead spider monkeys or parts thereof w/o valid paperwork constitutes a criminal offense in most jurisdictions. Dysmorodrepanis 01:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reproduction

message: Let's be absolutely clear on that: did de Loys say they shat in their hands, or does he just say that they threw poo at them? Because the former would be nearly unheard-of I think, whereas the latter, though happening less often as common wisdom'd have it, is well possible. The entire attack story reeks a bit; running howling at a camp of strangers (that have been there for how long?) in attack is more in line with pulp fiction of that time than with primate behavior. Usual reaction would be discreet observation and sorta "piqued" avoidance, or an outright mock attack to test the intruders, in true apes, whereas Neotropicals would probably be rather oblivious to something large, new and loud after they got used to it, if it doesn't unduly fell forest. Dysmorodrepanis 01:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone else is curious: yes, it absolutely says that in the French journal article by Montadon. --tronvillain (talk) 18:27, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Shitting in hands

message: A good (!) scan of the original photo, or as close as one can ever get, would be desirable. Dysmorodrepanis 01:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: Why was the full photo removed? I've never seen it in any other source. Why is the cropped close-up alright but not the original? CFLeon 08:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. A repro of the original photo should be eligible for fair use, the cropped version - if not public domain - is probably a copyvio. Dysmorodrepanis 13:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Its hard to imagine that anyone retains the exclusive rights to the original photo after so many decades have passed. The photo was widely distributed and reproduced in many forms over the years. A photo has been published here: http://historyofgeology.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/de-loys-ape/Landroo (talk) 19:01, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo Change

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message: Keith doesn't actually suggest a specific species of spider monkey, saying "Let me say at once that on the evidence submitted regarding the nature of Ameranthropoides loysi - the alleged anthropoid of South America - it is only possible for those familiar wit the anatomy of apes to come to one conclusion, namely: that a mistake has been made and that the animal in question belongs to the genus Ateles; in brief, it is a spider monkey - whether of a known species we cannot say, owing to a lack of evidence." He also doesn't suggest a scientific name, only pointing out that "Neverthreless Dr. Montadon goes on to name the animal, not Ateles loysi, but Ameranthropoides loysi. He would have shown greater zoological acumen if the had stuck by his reservation." --tronvillain (talk) 14:46, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keith