Talk:2004 unrest in Kosovo/Archive 1

message: Hi there - can you tell me about this title? It seems pretty inflamatory - who uses it? Thanks, Mark Richards 17:37, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to be sourced from a (Serbian) report by B92 . -- ChrisO 20:06, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: I would suggest renaming this page, as this term is not in common usage, it was used by one anonymous UNMIK rep, and has not gain common currency. How about Violence in Kosovo (March 2004)? Mark Richards 18:03, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone is going to move it, at least be optimistic and move it to Unrests in Kosovo (2004). Nikola 12:47, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Unrest" is one of those odd English words that is both singular and plural. "Unrests" doesn't exist as a word. Also, the usual order for date-restricted articles on Wikipedia appears to be date:subject, as in 11 March 2004 Madrid attacks or September 11, 2001 attacks. How about March 2004 unrest in Kosovo? -- ChrisO 13:27, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Agreed - can we start with the name? Anyone oppose this? Mark Richards 19:54, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it even needs to exist as a separate article. As an event in the history of Kosovo, it should be rewritten and merged with the main Kosovo and Metohia article after the section on the Kosovo War. -- ChrisO 20:01, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There is clearly enough info on this to warrant a separate article. Everyking 22:04, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is enough material, there are several articles on individual incidents related to Kosovo, including Racak, which is a good example of how to deal with an issue like this one - the title and style of this article are totally inapropriate. Mark Richards 22:12, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, fair point. I've moved the article to "Unrest in Kosovo" as a (temporary?) more NPOV title. Since this clearly isn't a one-day event and we don't know how long this is likely to go on for, I'm hesitant to give it a chronological entry (e.g. "March 2004 unrest in Kosovo"). We can always revisit the title when things settle down. -- ChrisO 22:16, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: I see the name's already been changed, but the Main Page still uses the name 'Kristallnacht'. How about removing everything after the last comma ('IN an event termed the Kosovo Kristallnacht'), and making Renewed ethnic strife the link instead? Sietse 22:22, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've addressed that too. :-) It now says: Violent unrest in Kosovo has led to riots between Serbs and Albanians with at least 31 deaths. That's about as long as it's possible to make it, given the space constraints of the "in the news" box. -- ChrisO 22:34, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: OK, that's good for now, although some way to make it clear that this is not a general article about unrest in Kosovo in the abstract, and that it refers to a specific set of events would be nice. Let's get to work on the main text then! Mark Richards 22:33, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you hold off editing it for half an hour or so? I'm currently working on it. -- ChrisO 22:34, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Since no one has mentioned any dispute in about a year or so, I'm removing the NPOV disputed tag. If someone believes it needs to go back on the article, that's fine, but please put reasons here on the talk page. Thanks. Wesley 05:34, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-write

message: Could everyone please be aware that Unicode should be used for Central European characters? If you enter CE characters, they are at risk of being corrupted by subsequent editors who don't have CE fonts installed. In particular, the character š keeps getting corrupted to ?. If you need to enter a CE character, please use the Unicode for that character. You can convert them very easily with the script at http://www.mikezilla.com/exp0012.html . -- ChrisO 21:36, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this seems to be a common browser problem. When one inputs characters č, ć, đ in Latin 2, they get correctly converted to Unicode upon submitting the form in Mozilla; however, that doesn't happen for š, ž, they go through unmodified and then whoever comes along later with a different charset corrupts them. But we're way offtopic for this page... --Shallot 02:15, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Unicode

message: Is there a tidier way to deal with those references? Perhaps a superscript number or something? Mark Richards 21:41, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I did my best... Some of the links were ambigous or dead, and I removed them. --dcabrilo 16:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't reviewed everything you did, but in principle you shouldn't have removed the dead links outright, instead you should first try to find them at http://www.archive.org . Nikola 04:34, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Most of the "dead links" were not in fact dead, but just pointing to a wrong site. E.g. most of links to B92 were links to "latest news" page, which is of course, of no use. --dcabrilo 12:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Would anyone object to renaming this article to "2004 Kosovo unrest" or something along that line? There were several other instances of what could be called "Unrest in Kosovo" and it would be good to think ahead (not necessarily as in future unrests in Kosovo, but as somebody starting other articles about specific unrests). Some other articles to follow this naming convention are:
*2001 UK foot and mouth crisis
*1992 Los Angeles riots
--dcabrilo 23:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think renaming it to "2004 unrest in Kosovo" is better than using the word "pogrom" which according to MW dictionary means ": an organized massacre of helpless people;". I do not think this meaning fits the unrest that happened in 2004. In march 2004 several churches were destroyed, and people in some cases fired at each other with weapons. Thank you. Regards, ilir_pz 10:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another rename proposal