Talk:Baby sling

message: If you have a problem with the current tone of the article, please discuss that here. Significant efforts have been made to bring this article within compliance and within the style of Wikipedia, and we can't fix it further if you don't tell us what is wrong. A link to recall notices is extremely relevant to the subject, given how many carriers have been recalled and the historical impact of product recalls on product development, promotion, public image, etc. It is also an extremely useful link, not promotional at all, and gives substantial information which ties in with the article subject but which would not be appropriate to include in the body of the article. If you have familiarity with the history of babywearing and baby slings, you will understand what an important role recalls have played.Jenrose 00:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: YOUR SHOP IS NOT A "REFERENCE". Do not add it again if it has been removed. It is disingenuous and against the spirit of wikipedia to plop a cite in the reflist just for the purpose of getting your link in outside the "external links" spot. Jenrose (talk) 07:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  References vs. advertisements 

message: Simple Pieces of Cloth (SPOC) is an actual term within the babywearing community which is descriptive and far more specific than simply "cloth slings". Most slings and baby carriers are made of cloth. Simple pieces of cloth are distinct and different because they are not sewn into a specific shape, and may or may not be specifically intended as baby carriers, which is distinct from cloth slings of other types, such as ring slings, pouches, mei tais, etc. The term "Simple Piece Of Cloth" was coined by Tracy Dower of the MamaToto project, but was picked up in wide usage within the babywearing community, and as a very specific jargon, is completely appropriate for inclusion in an encyclopedia entry about baby slings. Do not assume that simply because you know a shorter way of saying something, that your understanding of the subject is complete... in this case, editing "SPOC" to "Cloth slings" made the article less informative and  less useful. So I'm putting it back the way it was.Jenrose 07:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Babywearing Terminology 

message: I am adding mamatoto.org to the external links. It provides many free video resources on a variety of baby carriers, and therefore provides a unique resource that cannot be included in the wiki.
People seem to be forever tempted to add their favorite how-do-I-make-may-own baby-sling websites to the external links. There are hundreds of sites on this subject, and we do not want to list them all. 
Please refrain from spamming the external links section. 
Discuss before you add a link!
Philippe 12:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We're writing an encyclopedia, not a pop magazine article, so fun isn't a primary aim, and accurate, non-commercial content is.  If people want to find stories of celebrities wearing babies, google should handle their needs nicely. Incidentally, if you'd like to upload a public domain or GDFL image of a baby-wearing celeb and add it to the article, it would be far less likely to be reverted.  We're looking for content in our articles, not links to other sites.  -- Mwanner | Talk 23:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, but that "not for profit" site is engaged in direct retail sales, so I have removed it along with another commercial site.  See WP:EL. -- Mwanner | Talk 18:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Babywearer does not sell slings. The only stuff they sell directly is advocacy gear, which many, many organizations linked elsewhere in Wiki also sell. For example, La Leche League has many different kinds of things they sell, ranging from memberships and books to breastfeeding products. Yet talking about breastfeeding without mentioning La Leche League in an encyclopedia would be bizarre and wrong, as it has had a historical role in the modern resurgence of breastfeeding. The Babywearer has been instrumental in helping change the face of modern baby carrying around the world. It is *the* English language online central meeting point for the babywearing community worldwide and provides huge numbers of useful articles, resources and networking for people looking for more information. It is completely remiss for an english-language article about baby slings to NOT refer out to The Babywearer. Leave it alone. On the other hand, thank you for kicking Nifty to the curb, the repeat spam they do is ridiculous and inappropriate.  Jenrose 08:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I put "Risk of spoiling" back in the concerns list. I know proponents claim this is not true, but allmost all opponents claim this. Please discuss before removing again. I can live with rephrasing, but it is not fair to leave this concern out. Philippe 07:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: References please? If not, take it away. (The whole article is in dire need of references anyway). --J-Star 12:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerns 

message: This whole article is in need of references. Expecially the "Practicality and use" and "Concerns" sections contain totally unreferenced statements.--J-Star 12:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References required 

message: I have removed the recall link. Per links normally to be avoided, the recall link fails several points:
*1 - The link does not provide a unique resource beyond the article. The issue of recalls is already mentioned within the article. If the link should be used to verify this point, it should be used as a cited source (and the cited source has to be carrier-specific, not baby-general), not an external link.
*9 - The link is just a generic search page for child-related recalls, not even carrier-related recalls, but ALL child-related recalls. Further, anyone who visits the site must narrow it down further by performing a manual search.
*13 - The link is most certainly not directly related to the article's subject. I think the only article that it could be directly related to would be Baby related recalls. The link is far too generic and not specific enough to keep, which renders the "it is relevant" argument moot.
Beyond those direct violations of WP:EL, there are three other issues:
*1. Recall links are 100% absolutely unnecessary as anything more than a cited source (and the cited source has to be carrier-specific, not baby-general). We can't be linking to a general recall in every article about some random product just because that random product might have one listing among the thousands in the recall link.
*2. Recalls are company-specific, not product-specific. These recalls are recalling specific brands and makes of carriers, not just carriers in general. This makes it feel more like a promotional link ("DON'T USE THESE CARRIERS! THEY'LL KILL YOUR BABY! USE THE ONES NOT LISTED HERE!") than an informational link.
*3. This article, and all others on Wikipedia, are not US-centric. They must be relevant worldwide. Unless we link to every single recall of baby carriers (not general recalls on baby things) from every single country on the planet, we can't include one link with generic recalls from one country.
For these reasons, I have removed the link. If you feel it should be kept, please discuss it here and gain consensus before adding it back. Thank you. --132 22:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recalls link 

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