Talk:Pig Latin

message: Very useful and well drafted page.  I like the derived Iway for I myself and only wish to be as helpful contributing to the disambiguity. --Joseph L. Russell, Jr. 19:10, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: My thoughts thereof

message: Because they have Klingon and Welsh.--Qpqp 05:38, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Welsh is an actual, evolved language that is still spoken by people who learned it naturally, so it has some value. I never quite understood why a Klingon version was created, though. There aren't enough people who speak it to make it worth the time. I don't think a complete version of Wikipedia in Pig Latin is worth the time, either, but because it is essentially English. However, I think a Pig Latin Babel box entry could be added just for fun, considering that 1337 is included. -Gutterball1219 02:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it was obviously worth someone's time to make the Klingon version. Klingon may be an intentionally created language, but it is still a language. If people want to spend time working on it, that's their business. Pig Latin is a code, not a language. But if people want to spend the time putting up a Pig Latin version, don't let me stop you.--RLent 13:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  Welsh is spoken in Wales, but Klingon is a conlang!  Why in the world did they make a Wikipedia for it?  (I didn't even know what it was; I had to look it up!).  Anyway, Pig Latin isn't technically a language (see Language game), and is just a way of systematically altering English.  Plus, all us Pig Latin speakers can speak English just as well, so why need we a Pig Latin Wikipedia?  I do admit, however, it would be neat to have a Babel box for Pig Latin.  –Benjamin 21:51, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

text:  There are now user language templates for Pig Latin!  You can see them at Wikipedia:Babel#pig.  –Benjamin  (talk)  17:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Fair enough. But there is a Pig Latin Google.--220.238.204.239 04:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why isn't there a Pig Latin version of [[Wikipedia]]? 

message: Though games for non-English languages are akin to Pig Latin, there are articles for those games and for language games as a group.  Examples for those games should be in those articles and not here.--Rcharman 23:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non Pig Latin games

message: What does the language game have to do with pigs, and why was it named for Latin and not, say, Spanish, German, cuneiform, or the most relevant, English? This information would improve the article. --Gray PorpoisePhocoenidae, not Delphinidae 22:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea where the name "Pig Latin" came from, and I daresay no one else does either.  However, as you pointed out, it has nothing to do with pigs or Latin.  Hence, I think that it's just a silly name for a silly game (nothing against all you Pig Latin speakers out there–I'm one myself).  I agree such information would be good to have, but until somebody does some extensive research, I'm afraid there won't be much in that direction.  –Benjamin   20:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: I fail to see why there was a "Neutrality disputed" tag on this page. I have since removed it. JMyrleFuller 23:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV tag?? 

message: The article currently asserts:
:Depending on the rules, Pig Latin may not be one to one; that is, there may exist pairs of English words that have the same translation into Pig Latin. For instance, in the "way" variation, "itch" and "witch" both become itch-way. Note, however, that using the first formula for vowels (eagle → eagle-ay) will not produce ambiguity, and thus can be considered one-to-one (with respect to English).
Not true:  "end" and "den" both become enday, for example.  (Other examples:  "ant" and "tan"; "apt" and "tap".)  I suppose some pedants would insist that using a hyphen relieves the ambiguity (but seeing as how Pig Latin is used orally far more than it is used in writing, I claim a silent hyphen does little good.) 
An aside:  I learned the "way" variation first, and consider it more sonorous when words end in a vowel.  (I cringe at the double-a's in "areaay", "ideaay", and "okraay".)  --Heath 128.173.42.61 04:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One-to-one 

message: To a linguist, "backslang" refers more to the generic type referred to on the slang page, where letters or syllables are reversed, than Pig Latin which is a very specific kind.  Any objections to changing the redirect to point there? --Lou.weird 15:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Backslang

message: Why is Anita O'day referenced in this article?  I see that the pig latin word for dough is her last name, but this just seems like a random link between the two articles.
--Beau 15:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anita O'Day 

message: The article claims "phone" becomes "phone-ay", apparently on the grounds that "ph" ("f") is a "silent consonant" or vowel.  Acknowledging that I may have learned a different dialect of Pig Latin than the author, I don't think it's reasonable to claim that "ph" is either silent or a vowel.
The way I learned Pig Latin, "phone" certainly becomes "own-fay".
Comments?
--Pediddle 08:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly "own-fay." Though that's OR :)
207.38.248.24 (talk) 02:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "phone" -> "phone-ay"? 

message: I was always taught that if a word started with a vowel sound, you move everything up to the first syllable starting with a consonant sound to the end and start from there.
Hence, "eagle" would be "Gle-ea-ay" (Phonetically, "Gull-e-ay") rather than just "Eagle-ay".
It fits more closely with the construct of Pig Latin, seeing as one of the primary elements of the language is moving the front part of the word to the back. Honestly, just slapping an "-ay" (or "-way", or whatever) to the end of the word seems to me like cheating!  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.214.137.199 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Words starting in vowels - alternate method? 

message: The section on Oeks added July 9 by an anonymous IP address seems like original research at best, and most likely a hoax.  I think it should be removed. Hu 13:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oeks 

message: This entire article should be written in Pig Latin.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.115.7.122 (talk) 01:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Onay, isthay entireay articleay ouldn'tshay ebay ittenwray innay igpay atinLay, omecay onnay. 204.52.215.107 14:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But only if you want to set up a Pig Latin namespace in Wikipedia! TINYMark (Talk) 14:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea! (or should I say, "Oodgah ideay"?) Write it up for Uncyclopedia..  Jimw338 (talk) 04:22, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article should be in Pig Latin 

message: I don't think it's a "deliberate misnomer" that it's called Latin.  The "ay" sound mimics the word endings added in Latin.  I don't know Latin, but in Spanish, some conjugated verbs end in -e, which sounds like "ay".  danwWiki (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Spanish is not Latin.  Latin inflection is very different from Spanish and most of it does not sound like "ay."  --Politizer (talk) 03:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Because it sounds like Latin, yes? 

message: Amsterdam → Amsterdanway ???
Suppose to be "Amsterdamway" ? 82.194.234.254 (talk) 06:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo ? ("Amsterdam" example) 

message: I had to comment out most of the info in the Use section.  Some of it was simply not cited or verifiable (the statement that "Pig Latin" in British refers to back slang, and the statement that Ben Franklin used Pig Latin), and for some the reference cited was not enough (the statement that "Pig Latin" is another term for Butcher's Back Slang is not supported in the reference that was given--that reference does say that butchers used back slang during WW2, but never says that anyone called it pig latin).  --Politizer (talk) 03:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Commented out some info

message: I've removed an incorrect statement about Thomas Jefferson recording his sexual activity in Pig Latin and deleted the accompanying reference.  The referenced material discusses journals of Thomas Thistlewood, not Thomas Jefferson.  The Wikipedia page on Thistlewood notes his famous diary, and no such diary seems to exist for Jefferson.  Although the language Thistlewood uses to mask his sexual language is actually called "Pig Latin" in the now-removed source, this is also incorrect: certain words were merely replaced with Latin.  Latin and Pig Latin are further confused in this article:  Mohrgould (talk) 22:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jefferson

message: We should maybe add a disambiguation page as Pig Latin is also a computer language for the Apache Pig project. see http://pig.apache.org and http://pig.apache.org/docs/r0.7.0/piglatin_ref1.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drdee (talk • contribs) 18:04, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on those just that one site, the Pig Latin computer programming language wouldn't pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines.  You'd need more sources.  As for the disambiguation page, you probably need to add an article for the programming language before creating the disambiguation page.  If you've got the sources showing notability, go for it. – jaksmata 23:08, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation page? 

message: Is this article really within the scope of WikiProject Latin? It's nothing to do with Latin - it's just a language called 'Pig Latin'. It has less to do with the language than Latin America, which genuinely has a connection but is surely not within the scope of the project. --Rbreen (talk) 13:04, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not relevant; thanks for catching that. I've replaced it with WikiProject Languages. rʨanaɢ (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Latin 

message: I am not as agreeable with the edit detailing the origin of Pig latin.  Pig Latin as disambiguation describes was a form of language, used especially by children, that is derived from ordinary English by moving the first consonant or consonant cluster of each word to the end of the word and adding the sound (ā), as in Eakspay igpay atinlay for “Speak Pig Latin.”.
--Joseph L. Russell, Jr. 20:47, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: My thoughts thereof

message: Shouldn't this article and its examples have more of a phonetic perspective? For example, using IPA, or spelling the examples without unnecessary letters that don't make any different sounds when the order is changed. After all, it seems that this language game is based on the phonetics of the words, not the orthography. Mechanic1c (talk) 00:55, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Using IPA in addition to the current pronunciation examples presented in the article might please some people who are proficient in IPA, but I don't think the average reader would have any interest in it and would find it an unnecessary distraction. We're not dealing with an actual language that has any significantly different pronunciations than standard English. Anyone with an average knowledge of English should not have any difficulty with pronunciation using the rules and examples in the article. I learned pig latin in about two minutes when I was six years old. It's not complicated. I would oppose replacing the current examples with IPA; if that was done most people would give up trying to figure it out. Sundayclose (talk) 02:30, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's used pretty consistently everywhere else, and links are provided to Wikipedia's Help page for IPA. Either way, examples like "egg" → "ggeway" imply that Pig Latin doesn't concern morphophonology, and if it doesn't, the pronunciation of Pig Latin should be identical to that of English and therefore this article should not include any phonetics guides differently than an article about English (which it currently does, like with "i" → "ii" pronounced like "ee" in "eek", which I think would be described with IPA in a standard article about English). If it concerns orthography and phonetics, they should both be described. Right now, the Rules section contains a bunch of information not organized by linguistic topics that it may or may not concern. If someone here knows whether Pig Latin concerns any phonetic rules, another opinion might be worthwhile. Mechanic1c (talk) 16:39, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's used everywhere else for actual languages. Pig Latin is not a language; it is a distortion of the English language. I'm not opposed to adding IPA, although I think it will be ignored by most readers, some of whom will find it an annoying distraction. Wikipedia is written for the average reader, not linguistic purists. But I oppose replacing the current pronunciation guides with IPA, and I would insist on a consensus for that. As for current pronunciation examples which are confusing or disorganized, feel free to change those; but don't replace them with IPA Sundayclose (talk) 16:46, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine with me. Mechanic1c (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonetics 

message: I think some people ought not be so small!  When John says:I agree they should have a igpay atinlay section "I'yay ink'thay at'thay ere'thay ould'shay also'yay"  It is disassembling to want e'bay to indemnify the few at the expense of the marginal "(itheginithegea'gay ithegig'pay ithegatithegin'lay)"   Thanks ikipedia'way. --70.98.142.254 (talk) 20:29, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: My thoughts thereof

message: The paragraph on consonant clusters in the "Rules" section is redundant. The paragraph right before it states "For words that begin with consonant sounds, all letters before the initial vowel are placed at the end of the word sequence..." This would include consonant clusters.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tns3327 (talk • contribs) 08:00, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundancy 

message: I've restored it. Kostaki mou (talk) 16:47, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was the "-ay" variant removed? 

message: What about the relationship with the Javanais? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanais  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:6849:EC43:9A44:681B (talk) 12:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should mention other game languages. 

message: saint alphonsus ligouri is the patron saint of confessors  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.160.184.138 (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  what is saint alphonsus ligouri patron saint  of 

message: Ariomay
Onicsay
Elevisiontay
Omputercay
FOUay
Olombiacay
Ussiaray
Obinray
--190.66.254.201 (talk) 22:00, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things in Pig Latin. 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Ikipediaway. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:11, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ikipediaway" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: # I have removed all unsourced content
# I have moved the background rules to the top, since it is the proper way for an article about a language.
# I have deleted the "cultural references" due to the fact that it's not notable if a movie speaks a common language.
:Koridas 📣 22:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by Koridas 

message: it's in page 14 of the script, or around ~11 minute into the film. I as a non native English speaker, could never understand what she was saying until I read the script (after very short google search)
https://images.amcnetworks.com/ifcfilmsawards.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Boyhood-screenplay-11-14-FINAL.pdf
So if I did something not properly (I suppose the above link can be referenced?) please fix my shoddy wiki-work--Benderbr (talk) 14:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  I added it being used in "boyhood" 

message: Is this what Gen does in Dr. Stone? 178.129.185.54 (talk) 22:37, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  E 

message: : Can you explain this deletion?
Don't you consider it verifiable by any educated person with access to the primary source, which is the image itself? Error (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pig Latin in Little Nemo 

message: What dose it mean 2603:8001:B941:6C7E:D95C:1CCE:E3DC:1458 (talk) 06:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agay okay