Talk:Helmut Schmidt

message: User:212.185.62.98 inserted the following claim, about Schmidt's Jewish ancestry:
:Only under pressure did Helmut Schmidt publicly admit the fact in 1984, after journalists had learned of it from his friend Valéry Giscard d'Estaing.
Do we have a source for this?  The anonymous user has inserted dubious claims elsewhere. --- Charles Stewart 19:39, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Under pressure?  I doubt it.  I've seen a number of interviews in which he VERY candidly talks about his Jewish ancestry, and the lengths with which he went to conceal it (by falsifying documents, etc).  I'll find the sources and post them here later.  I think he revealed it after he left office because it would no longer present any political problems for him.  He had been publicly excoriated by Menachem Begin for his role in the war; as I recall, Begin's language came across as harsh, undiplomatic, and downright mean.  But it begins to make sense if Begin knew - as he may well have - what most of the public didn't know at the time. If Begin did know about Schmidt's origins, it is understandable that he found that hard to take.  How members of the German, Israeli, and international public might have put together his partly Jewish origins and his wartime roles MAY have been why he never publicly revealed the matter until after he had retired.  Then again, it may just not have been an important factor in his thinking until he got older.  I will try to find out more about it.  David Cannon (talk) 10:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Source?

message: Schmidt is listed in the Karl Popper infobox as having been "influenced" by Popper. Is there anything to this? A Geek Tragedy 20:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Karl Popper?

message: I've included Helmut Schmidt to the global warming skeptics category because he is a textbook example of the mainstream skeptical opinions. See e.g. . He says that the hysteria should stop, the climate has always been changing, and the reasons behind various climate changes haven't been properly researched so far. It's how Wikipedia defines skeptics and his opinions are virtually identical to those of Michael Crichton and other skeptics. --Lumidek 06:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry - no. It is possible to think that the debate is hysterical - and at the same time agree that climate is changing by greenhouse gases. You should notice that he continues on arguing that Nuclear power is the only way to "protect the climate" (klima-shutz). --Kim D. Petersen 01:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Helmut Schmidt is a skeptic
English http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2011/03/helmut-schmidt-calls-for-ipcc-inquiry 
German http://www.mpg.de/print/990353 
Get over it Kim.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.101.188.63 (talk) 03:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate change skeptics category 

message: Maybe it could be added that, as described in the German article, Schmidt is a fine pianist, with professional recordings to his credit. (e.g. Johann Sebastian Bach: 
Concerto for 4 Pianos and Strings in A minor, BWV 1065.  Hamburg Philharmonic, Christoph Eschenbach, Justus Frantz, Gerhard Oppitz and Helmut Schmidt. Deutsche Grammophon 415 655-2. See also ). L'omo del batocio 05:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Musician

message: The award of the Schleyer Prize is 2013 on this page and 2012 on the page of the Prize. Perhaps someone can find out what is the correct year.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.29.124 (talk) 04:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did I miss something? 

message: This needs to be phrased differently. Helmut Schmidt was Federal Chancellor or Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany. There was no office "Chancellor of West Germany" (definitely not with a capital "C"). I do not see what is supposed to be unnecessarily ambiguous about "Federal Republic of Germany before re-unification"; anything less ambiguous in this context risks being POV.  --Boson (talk) 00:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing wrong with Chancellor of West Germany at all. You don't have any problem with "U.S. President" (with a capital P) instead of "President of the United States of America" either, don't you?--84.138.18.134 (talk) 23:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Last surviving person to have been solely Chancellor of West Germany" 

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message: Unfind ref to "Naples Prize of [sic.] Journalism / Neapel-Preis des Journalismus. Deleted. Sca (talk)
:Having trouble finding refs to other 'accolades' – such as Spanish journalism prize Godo. Perhaps this section should be curtailed, leaving only the more notable awards. Sca (talk) 18:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fixed. Zwerg Nase (talk) 18:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Accolade refs

message: I removed a massive unreferenced section.  It didn't seem particularly relevant in any case, but if someone cares to create a spinoff list of something to incorporate the information I removed, fine.  For attribution purposes, this is the edit I made.  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Good decision. Will make seperate articles for the cabinets at a later point. Zwerg Nase (talk) 19:54, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The various government members 

message: OK. There is a brief section on his military service. No mention if ever wounded, or ranks achieved. Should be if information is available. It does not directly state - but is inferred some college attendance occurred before Military service- should add some specifics. 
How much there is on talk page as to Jewish seems ridiculous to me. He served in the German Army. If there was a question on Jewish anchestory then, he would have been stuck as a factory worker, and not in the military with weapon access. 
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:His grandfather was Jewish, a fact kept from the authorities, which allowed him to serve in the army. Otherwise, it would not have been the factory he'd been heading to... Zwerg Nase (talk) 16:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Germany has no real eqivalence to the American college. Schmidt made his Abitur in 1937 and served afterwards in the RAD and then the Wehrmacht. After the regular conscription time of 2 years, WW2 had already started. After the war, he could study directly at the University.--Beliar (talk) 16:23, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Life, Military Service, "Jewish", and College Education 

message: Denfense/Defence still appears in both forms on this page. Could we please decide which English form should be used. As Schmidt was a European, I would suggest British English is a better choice.IsarSteve (talk) 08:12, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  British or American English? 

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message: Schmidt was born in 1918. His class was called up later, but not in 1937. This year, the youngest draftees were born in 1916 (see: Reichsgesetzblatt, part I, p. 606: Anordnung über die Aushebung zur Erfüllung der aktiven Dienstpflicht im Jahr 1937 vom 29. Mai 1937). So, it seems that Schmidt has volunteered for Wehrmacht. --129.187.244.19 (talk) 14:12, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: 18-year-old were in fact not drafted before the war (in 1937). --129.187.244.19 (talk) 06:19, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Drafted''' for Wehrmacht service in 1937 ? 

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message: A huge chunk of this article has been commented out.  The text is all in one block, under the heading "chancellorship".
This commented-out block is nearly 4,000 words long, so it is a substantial chunk of the article.  The unhidden part is currently 7034 words, so basically one third of the article is commented out.
My burrowing found that some of it was commented-out in this 11 November 2015 edit by @Zwerg Nase with the edit summary .
This is not a good situation.  If there are problems with the section, they should be tagged or removed.  But I can see no case for leaving he text in this limbo situation where it is not visible to readers , or to editors unless the o looking for it.
So I propose to uncomment these sections, and restore the text.  I do this without having formed any view on the merits of the text, just a desire for the article to develop in the normal way by having the text visible.
Any objections? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that the hidden text text has been uncommented in this edit by User:CheesedToMeetYou. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, I do not even remember having done this. Still think that section is not very good though... Zwerg Nase (talk) 15:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

text: Similar to what  suggested, I uncommented because I saw very little changes in the ~6 years the text was not visible and I believe visible text will lead to a higher chance of improvement. I changed the subtitles slightly in an attempt to improve them, though I have no opinion on whether the information/format should stay in the article, moved to this talk page for potential improvements, or otherwise changed/moved. CheesedToMeetYou (talk) 21:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nearly 4,000 words commented out 

message: I think Walter Scheel should not be mentioned there; he was Foreign secretary and only acting as Bundeskanzler, but never elected. But according to the Grundgesetz, Art. 63, the Bundeskanzler has to be elected by the Bundestag which Scheel was not. Accordingly, Schmidt is considered the 5th Bundeskanzler (see here on the website of the Bundestag and there is no portrait of Scheel in the Galerie der Bundeskanzler. Moreover, naming two predecessors is confusing, there can be only one. --Qcomp (talk) 20:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Predecessor: I think we should list Brandt, not Scheel 

message: On 13 October 1981, Schmidt was fitted with a cardiac pacemaker.
I suggest adding there:
In August 2002 he suffered a heart attack and subsequently underwent bypass surgery.https://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/08/27/germany.schmidt/index.html
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I suggest a second edit for Honours and awards:
Since November 2016 Hamburg Airport has been christened after Schmidt. Tolmount (talk) 18:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: using this citation. Xan747 ✈️ 🧑‍✈️ 22:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2023 

message: On 27 August 2002, he suffered a heart attack and subsequently underwent bypass surgery.
This sentence about him having the heart attack was added because of an edit request of mine. It originally just said In August 2002, it was changed afterwards to 27 August, which is incorrect. The linked article in Der Spiegel was published on the 27th, a Tuesday. But the article says that Schmidt suffered the heart attack past Saturday, ergo the 24th. If we're doing exact dates it was on the 24th. Tolmount (talk) 21:20, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: WanderingMorpheme 22:23, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2023