Talk:Al-Baqara

message: this verse is often quoted in anti-islamic rants as proof that islam is inherently violent. could somebody discuss the verse in context here (even if just 2:190 is included, it starts to sound much less belligerent)?
 002.190
   YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not
   transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
 002.191
   YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from
   where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse
   than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they
   (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the
   reward of those who suppress faith.
dab 14:14, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: sure, but selective quoting usually gives only "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out", which sounds of course much less reassuring :o)  nice addition, though. And you are right, possibly 9:5 is even more often quoted in this context. dab 13:57, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 2:191

message: It looks pretty full to me.  If no-one objects for a couple of days, I'll remove the stub tag  PaulHammond 02:27, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still a stub? 

message: Although the sura does tell the story of the Golden Calf, it is not named after it.  It is named after the story of another cow that the Israelites were told to sacrifice in order to know the murderer by the recussitated victim (see ayas 67 to 73)     translation.
: I think the proper translation of the name should be the Heifer in connection with the Jewish sacrificial practice. Plus, there seems to be precedent (see verse 67 here)for such a translation. -- hakeem rant! 03:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  archived link to translation of ayas 67 to 73 (February 1, 2008) Jimw338 (talk) 17:47, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

text: Actually you can find the background of the story of the cow in Deuteronomy 21:3
"If one is found slain in the land which the Lord your God gives you to possess, lying in the field, and it is not known who has killed him,
3 the elders of that city shall take a heifer which has never been worked, never pulled in the yoke"
"70 They said: Pray for us unto thy Lord that He make clear to us what (cow) she is. Lo! cows are much alike to us; and Lo! if Allah wills, we may be led aright.
71 (Moses) answered: Lo! He saith: Verily she is a cow unyoked; she plougheth not the soil nor watereth the tilth; whole and without mark. They said: Now thou bringest the truth. So they sacrificed her, though almost they did not" Qur'an 2:70
Salama  Mando Salama (talk) 19:54, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sura name 

message: In the the original Arabic the verse reads:" what is between their hands" scholars have agreed that it means their present, mainly Mohamed Metwaly El Sharawy.
--The Brain 03:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what's in front of them 

message: I want consencus for spliting out Al-Baqara, 256 since it is such a prominently quoted verse. also, i want to creat an article based on ,  and . Comments? --Striver 15:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What more would there be to say about it? -- tariqabjotu 18:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have anything this very second, but im sure you will agree there is ample potential material, it just takes some research. --Striver 19:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have somethinmg to add, add it it to this section. Once this gets too long, you can than split off an article. Str1977 (smile back) 07:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: split

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: This article contains page after page of commentary either lifted from some source or the result of original research, and is written in a heavily "in-universe" style, so to speak. After I eliminated the cruft (constituting the bulk of the article), I received a message from an editor who reverted my changes and called it "vandalism."
This is one of the worst articles I've seen on Wikipedia (I'm not a frequent editor and I don't often get into the obscurer corners, so this is literally true.) Before someone tries to revert my changes (if it hasn't happened already) can they please illustrate what the use is to a Wikipedia user of the thousands and thousands of words of rambling exegesis?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.194.75.35 (talk) 18:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the user who reverted you, and yes, your edit to the article *was* vandalism - you removed a significant portion of text in one go, well over 40,000 characters, stating it was "copyrighted" material, and yet you did not state where it was copyrighted from, who wrote the commentary, etc. What you did was what we term as "Section blanking". I didn't mean to offend you by insinuating that you were a vandal, far from it, but the removal of such a large section of text should really be discussed on the talk page to gain consensus as to what should be removed, and if you have a source for the copyrighted portion of the material, please would you be kind enough to supply it, so that it can be checked? Thank you. FishBarking? 18:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious problems with this article (June 2011) 

message: Quote: "It is a and comprises 286 verses." What does that mean? I am from Germany and I'm not very specialized in English language, so can anybody explain this to me in different words? It is a . . . what? And shouldn't it be "an" instead of "a" because the following word starts with a vowel?--31.17.92.168 (talk) 21:25, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: It is a

message: I strongly agree with the general critique here. This article is an incoherent mess. What these sura pages need, in my view, are straightforward, clear, concise summaries of the contents of the suras. So perhaps an "Overview" section, but it would be better to have a "Summary" section that went through, sort of piece by piece or section by section, a summary of the suras contents. Until something like this is set as a pattern for the sura pages, they will remain a jumbled and idiosyncratic mess, I think.  
(And the long "Philosophy" section, whatever its merits, does not really seem germanely tied to a wiki page on sura 2.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.141.83.253 (talk) 21:50, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a clean, clear summary of the text's contents 

message: Line 147 added: ya. Is this vandalism or a useful remark?!Super48paul (talk) 10:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ya edit? 

message: I am concerned about reliance on primary sources, both the verses from the chapter itself as well as the ahadith quoted. I have tried to add some reliable secondary sources. If there are no objections, I may try to replace the primary sources with secondary ones in the coming days. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:56, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliance on primary sources 

message: Note near the beginning of the second paragraph, the author has equated to the Pagans to Al-Kuffar.
Throughout the Qu'ran one will see that those only entered a state of "kufr" and become part of "Al Kuffar" when they had understood the Qu'ran message and rejected it. Kufr literally means to cover, or hide the truth (another name for the Qu'ran), so denying the Qu'ran once having understood it can be a form of covering, ie covering the truth from oneself or others for that matter.
I think this edit is very important as there is a common fallacy for Muslims and Non-Muslims to view the world in two shades, that of the Al-Kuffar and that of Al-Muslimeen (the Muslims). This can lead to a lot of misunderstanding which can result in violence in the worst case scenario.
For Quranic references please read: http://quransmessage.com/articles/understanding%20kufr%20FM3.htm
Based upon these proofs I would argue the Pagans (those who worship other than Allah) are not "Al-Kuffar" but are classed as "Al-Mushrikeen" (those who associated partners with Allah, ie - invalidate the oneness of God by taking others as equals to God). 
These Mushrikeen would only fall under the banner of "Al-Kuffar" if they have been shown Islam, understood how the Qu'ran considers Paganism to be invalid and still continue their beliefs.
Your thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alistairkey (talk • contribs) 17:49, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Arabic translation of the word Pagans. 

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message: I am not a weathered Wikipedia user, so I am unsure of how to make changes to an article and whether this is the correct place to make a proposal. 
However, what I wanted to state was that the main image of the article (which is currently Studio_Jean_Jacques_Lequeu) is definitely not related to Surah Baqarah in any way. I have also noticed this image on several over Wikipedia pages related to the Qur'an, such as Sura. A more suitable image would be that of the Qur'an itself (such as that used on the main Qur'an Wikipedia page), or of the first few verses of Surah Baqarah.
If anyone is knowledgeable on replacing the photo with a suitable image through Wikipedia's criteria, then it would be most appreciated.
To be honest, it seems that the image (or as others have noted, the article itself) has been vandalized with irrelevant and unclear edits.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PieceOfIslam (talk • contribs) 01:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of Studio Jean Jacques Lequeu as Main Photo - Not Relevant to Qur'an 

message: Who was Quranic angels?
In https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Baqara&diff=prev&oldid=755638452
111. ...if anyone suffers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonim sauronovich (talk • contribs) 17:51, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question. 

message: Why is this article titled 2, The Cow, al-Baqarah and not simply Al-Baqarah, in line with the article titles of the other sura's? AstroLynx (talk) 10:58, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:MOS A title should be a recognizable name or description of the topic that is natural, sufficiently precise and concise.  Simply naming the article Al-Baqarah:I find that, as an English speaker, it is not  recognizable. When the sura articles were originally set up, the chapters were not numbered as in Western tradition but were simply given titles as in the Eastern tradition and Arabic titles at that. We are here to impart knowledge to English speakers. However the problem with simply using the English titles is creating too many ugly (disambiguation) (surah) identifier requirements. The Study Quran, a reputable Islamic publication entitles the chapter 2 The Cow, al-Baqarah  - It just seems the best of all worlds solution. I would hope to change the remaining Quranic chapters to achieve consistent with those of related articles. JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 12:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, but I think that you should first find consensus for this. This is not a trivial change. AstroLynx (talk) 12:52, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In line with the articles on the books in the Bible ("Book of ...", "Gospel of ...", "Epistles to ...", etc.) perhaps it would be better to use titles such as Sura of the Cow (Al-Baqarah, 2) or something similar. But again, there should first be broad consensus for such a change. AstroLynx (talk) 14:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Common Muslim practice would be to link  (Al-Baqarah, 2) to Q2.2 - element of confusion.Quoting Encyclopaedia of the Qurʾān: "2 Foo, Foo" makes it much easier for those unfamiliar with sūra titles to find a passage in a translated text of the Quran  JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 14:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about the article title 

message: Why is it called 2, The Cow, Al-Baqarah? It is only Surah Baqarah!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.99.227 (talk) 20:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: The Name of the Surah

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved   — Amakuru (talk) 15:47, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: 2, The Cow, al-Baqarah →  – Per the above two sections, the name of this page should be restored to its previous name until consensus on a naming scheme change for the other 113 surahs is established. mahir256 (talk) 05:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Don't revert due solely to "no consensus" JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

text: I too would prefer to see the previous title name restored until there is a broad consensus for modifying (or not) the currently used scheme for naming each of the 114 sura's. AstroLynx (talk) 10:01, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

text: I am not sure that many editors have seen (or will see) this request and your proposal here. Perhaps it would be better to copy or move this discussion to the talk pages of Quran and Surah. AstroLynx (talk) 16:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 19 February 2021 

message: answers 119.63.139.62 (talk) 08:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tarjamatulquran 1st year