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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article contains much information about the subject's films including an awards box and several reviews. This would normally be fine in BLP's, however, in this case there are already articles for each of these films, and there are already hatnotes within the article for each of those films. Including all of this extra information seems overtly WP:PROMO and WP:COATRACKish. I propose that this information be limited and would like local editors feedback. Thanks!  Spintendo  04:42, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The lengthy descriptions of the subject's films and promotional reviews along with award tables for each film omitted. All of this information is already included in the individual Wikipedia articles about those films (hatnotes already present are, of course, retained). Most of this promotional material had been added over time by a single editor who has almost no other edits to any other articles.  Spintendo  16:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coatracks 

message: In the years between 2012-2014, Fogel found himself in a career depression struggling financially and questioning whether he should continue in the entertainment business. At The Oslo Freedom Forum in 2019, Fogel stated: “And here I was, I was almost 40 years old and I was, in what I call, director’s jail, and I didn't know what I was gonna do with my life, and I didn't know how I was gonna pick up those pieces.”
A life long cyclist, Fogel had followed Lance Armstrong’s rise and fall and was fascinated that while Lance had ultimately confessed to doping throughout his career, that he hadn’t actually been caught or had ever failed a doping test despite avoiding detection from 500 plus tests. When it was learned that Armstrong had in fact been using performance enhancing drugs, Fogel became fascinated with how Lance had been able to carry on without ever testing positive or being caught for doping.
What struck Fogel was that clearly the anti-doping system in sport was failing to catch cheaters. Fogel wanted to document this on camera and prove his thesis firsthand stating, “the idea I had was to prove the system in place to test athletes was bullshit.”
This premise would develop into what would become Icarus, Fogel’s first documentary feature.
Filming for Icarus began in May, 2014 and shortly after, Fogel connected with Russian scientist, Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov, who at the time was the director of Moscow’s WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) laboratory. Rodchenkov who had been the director of the laboratory since 2005 agreed to help Fogel personally “dope” and take performance enhancing drugs in order to test and evade positive detection for an amateur bicycling race in Europe, the Haute Route. 
During 2015, Fogel and Rodchenkov worked closely to document this scheme, during which time Rodchenkov was under investigation by WADA for allegedly doping Russian track and field athletes.
On November 10, 2015, WADA made public the findings of its year long investigation and released a report and recommendations for punishment.
The report confirmed allegations against Rodchenkov, where Rodchenkov then resigned from his duties as laboratory director and  Russia was suspended from all world and track events.
Rodchenkov turned to Fogel to help him to escape Russia believing that if he were to stay, that he would be murdered by the FSB. Fogel then hastily arranged air tickets for Rodchenkov to come to Los Angeles in November 2015.
Rodchenkov’s escape was successful and over the next several months he would reveal the full extent of Russia’ state sponsored doping program to Fogel.
Rodchenkov, under a Department of Justice subpoena to appear in front of the grand jury, went to the The New York Times with Fogel in May 2016, and through three days of interviews with reporter Rebecca Ruiz and Michael Schwirtz they disclosed evidence that would be the backbone of the front page The New York Times story on May 12, 2016.
Fogel and Rodchenkov alleged Russia had orchestrated state-sponsored fraud, conspiring to cheat the Olympics for decades, including the 2014 Sochi Olympics, where Rodchenkov, with the help of the Federal Security Service (FSB, formerly the KGB), changed steroid-tainted urine of the Russian national team to evade positive detection.
Within a week of the New York Times story, WADA appointed Prof. Richard McLaren to investigate Dr. Rodchenkov’s allegations.
As a result of McLaren’s report, Russia was suspended from participating in the 2018 Winter Olympics in South Korea under its flag, although it did send 169 athletes under the moniker "Olympic Athletes from Russia."
In August 2017, Fogel met with members of the US Congress and Senate to discuss the extent of Russian tampering in global affairs, specifically the 2016 US elections.
This story, which became the foundation of his feature documentary film Icarus would lead to Russia’s ban from the Olympic Games in 2018, 2020 and 2022.
Icarus premiered at the 2017 Sundance Film Festival where it won the first ever Special Jury "Orwell Award" and the first ever Audience Choice Award at Sundance Film Festival London. The film was acquired in a historic $5 million sale to Netflix and released worldwide on Netflix on August 4, 2017.
Icarus garnered critical acclaim from both film critics and editorial publications around the globe. The New York Times described Fogel’s film Icarus as “Illuminating”and Variety magazine called it “A Game Changing Documentary.”
Icarus would go on to win the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature at the 90th Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in 2018. The film was also nominated for the Best Documentary Feature at the 71st BAFTAs, and Fogel was also nominated for outstanding directorial achievement at the 70th Directors Guild of America Awards and three 2018 Primetime Emmy Awards for writing, directing and best documentary special. Icarus also received the 2018 Edward R. Murrow Award for Outstanding Journalism, and won SummerDocs Audience Award at the 2017 Hamptons International Film Festival.
 Jeremycohen333 (talk) 19:28, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Icarus'' 

message: * 1. Specific text to be added preceding the current article content in this section:
A life long cyclist, Fogel had followed Lance Armstrong’s rise and fall and was fascinated that while he ultimately confessed to doping had been able to carry on without ever testing positive or being caught, a journey led to Icarus, an upcoming documentary that began filming in May 2014.
* Reason for the change: Indicate what personally inspired Fogel to make this Documentary, and note the period of time during his filmmaking career.
* 2/3. Specific text to be added as next paragraph:
Shortly after, Fogel connected with Russian scientist, Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov, adopting Rodchenkov's doping regimen to show a weaknesses in global drug tests by becoming a human guinea pig.
In May 2016, Fogel and Rodchenkov went to the The New York Times and through three days of interviews disclosed evidence alleging that Russia had orchestrated state-sponsored fraud, conspiring to cheat the Olympics for decades, including the 2014 Sochi Olympics that would be the backbone of the front page The New York Times story on May 12, 2016.
* Reason for the change: Fogel's research into the subject of doping for his documentary as a cyclist, lead to a most notable article published in the New York Times Times that discusses a significant event in Fogel's career as a filmmaker worthy of including in biography.
* 4. Specific text to be added as next paragraph:
In August 2017, Fogel met with members of the US Congress and Senate to discuss the extent of Russian tampering in global affairs, specifically the 2016 US elections.
* Reason for the change: Another major event in Fogel's career, meeting with US committee as a filmmaker and activist. Includes citation of official published government document.
* 5/6/7. Specific text to be added as final paragraph preceding the live article contents:
This story, which became the foundation of his feature documentary film Icarus, would lead to Russia’s ban from the Olympic Games in 2018, 2020 and 2022.
* Reason for the change: The result of Fogel's activism that impacted decisions made by the Olympics committee.
Thank you again for your time and consideration in reviewing this next draft.
Jeremycohen333 (talk) 23:55, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Icarus'' 

message: Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request.  Spintendo  02:58, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 14-AUG-2023

message: Hi Spintendo,
Please see revised information per your prior comments in the edit request review above.
I propose the first sentence be modified as follows to be accurate, since Fogel stated he was following Lance's career and not interested in making a documentary about him at that time:
: Fogel, as a life long cyclist, had followed Lance Armstrong’s rise and fall, in particular, his ability to evade doping detection, a journey that led to Icarus, an upcoming documentary that began filming in May 2014.
The following addresses "note 2" and the citation supports this entire paragraph, adding the results of the 2nd race as mentioned in article. This paragraph I'd propose to be added after the first sentence "Fogel, as a life long cyclist..."
: In August 2014, Fogel competed in the Haute Route, an amateur cycling race in the French Alps with no drugs in his system and placed 14th out of 440 cyclists. Fogel planned to race the following year and contacted various international experts and eventually connected with Russian scientist, Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov. Under Rodchenkov’s direction, Fogel obtained testosterone, human growth hormone (HGH), erythropoietin (EPO) and other drugs, adopting a doping regimen to prove a weakness in global drug tests. After months of doping, Fogel’s measured power was 20 percent higher than the year before as he headed into his second Haute Route race in August 2015. Fogel didn’t win, his bicycle had mechanical problems and he placed 27th.
The next paragraph following the above has been updated per your comment in "note 3" that is reworded and supports the additional statements for context of events based at the time of filming the documentary:
: According to Fogel, while filming his documentary Icarus in Moscow, an understanding came to be reached about Rodchenkov, that he was not just a guy in a Russian laboratory but the architect of Russia's state-run doping program for its Olympic athletes. During the filming of Fogel's documentary, Rodchencov stated he had worked with the FSB to switch dirty urine samples for clean urine collected months earlier. Fogel’s footage would later become evidence of a criminal operation and an institutional conspiracy that would endanger Rodchenkov, after two of Rodchenkov’s associates died under suspicious circumstances and Rodchenkov was declared as an enemy of the state in the press in Russia.
Thank you for your reply to these modifications, with the intent of addressing your suggestions.Jeremycohen333 (talk) 23:55, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have altered the first sentence to follow more closely your interpretation. The second paragraph's source, fraud magazine (a publication of Association of the Certified Fraud Examiners) is not a reliable secondary source. The third paragraph, while including some of my suggested text, largely recreates the paragraph which I initially declined to add.  Spintendo  22:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 13-SEP-2023

message: Hi Spintendo,
I've revised the second paragraph proposal and citation regarding the note for an unreliable source "Fraud Magazine". This has been updated with a "Financial Times" article that covers the same topic and specifics of both races. In 2014, Fogel was clean and the following year had been doping under Rodchekov's protocol to evade detection, adding context on Rodchenkov. Therefore, I'm proposing revisions to the first paragraph in the live article to be edited as follows:
:Fogel, as a life long cyclist, had followed Lance Armstrong’s rise and fall, in particular, his ability to evade doping detection. In August 2014, Fogel competed in the Haute Route, a prestigious amateur cycling multiday race in the French Alps with no drugs in his system, placing 14th out of 440 competitors.'''
:Planning to race the following year, Fogel contacted various international experts and eventually connected with Russian scientist, Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov, who at the time was the director of Moscow’s WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) laboratory. Under Rodchenkov’s direction, Fogel adopted a doping regimen similar to Armstrong's to prove a weakness in global drug tests. After months of doping, Fogel’s measured power was 20 percent higher than the year before as he headed into his second Haute Route race in August 2015. Fogel didn’t win, his bicycle had mechanical problems and he placed 27th out of 600 cyclists.'''
:Fogel eventually helped prepare evidence with Rodchenkov, setting-up an interview at The New York Times. The Times story, published in 2016, presaged Russia's ban from the Olympic Games in 2018, 2020 and 2022. 
Thank you for your review on the revised additions. Jeremycohen333 (talk) 07:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for (belatedly) adding your signature, it's most apprectiated. With regards to the FT source, it is behind a paywall, and I cannot access it. If you wish it to be used as a source for information in your proposed text, please activate the  parameter and include the verbatim text from the FT source which confirms the information you wish to add. Regards,  Spintendo  21:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 27-SEP-2023

message: Hi Spintendo,
I appreciate your response and actions taken thus far to help summarize. Yes I realize there are various proposal versions, revisions and suggestions exchanged. So in an attempt to help identify the latest proposal, I've combined the prior texts and verbatim sources to support the updates for Icarus and define the pending content submitted for review. I've organized in bullet points as requested in the COI format as well. I hope this makes it easier on your part in review of our prior discussions. See below proposal thank you!
• Please revise the first sentence adding a wikilink to Lance Armstrong in the current live version, and please add a second sentence to the first paragraph.
:Fogel, a life long cyclist, had followed Lance Armstrong’s rise and fall in particular, his ability to evade doping detection. This journey led to Icarus, a documentary that began filming in May 2014.
• Reason for the change: Wikilink omitted in last edit, and would like to note the period of time when Fogel started working on this documentary in his filmmaking career.
• Please add a new next paragraph preceding the current second and third sentences starting with "Fogel later connected with Russian scientist..."and ending with "...Olympic Games in 2018, 2020 and 2022." Then it would be appropriate in terms of the timeline of events to move these two sentences mentioned above as a new paragraph, which can be placed as the second to last paragraph in the Icarus section, preceding the last paragraph starting with "Icarus, a film documenting these investigations..."
:In August 2014, Fogel competed in the Haute Route, a prestigious amateur cycling multiday race in the French Alps with no drugs in his system, placing 14th out of 440 competitors. 
• Using the reference: 
*Verbatim Article
 
• Reason for the change: Additional background; As mentioned in the documentary, Fogel had entered this race without doping, and providing the results of the race.
• Please add to the paragraph:
:Planning to race the following year, Fogel contacted various international experts and eventually connected with Russian scientist, Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov, who at the time was the director of Moscow’s WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) laboratory. Under Rodchenkov’s direction, Fogel adopted a doping regimen similar to Armstrong's to prove a weakness in global drug tests. After months of doping, Fogel’s measured power was higher than the year before as he headed into his second Haute Route race in August 2015. Fogel didn’t win, his bicycle had mechanical problems and he placed 27th out of 600 cyclists.
• Using the same reference as prior sentence reference: 
*Verbatim Article
 
• Reason for the change: Add more detail re: the expert Fogel hired while documenting his doping journey in preparation for his next race and goal of working with this expert. Mention of effect on Fogel's strength  and his results of the 2nd race as discussed in documentary. Fogel's cycling journey and events Fogel captured as a filmmaker.
• Please add a third paragraph:
:While filming his documentary Icarus in Moscow, Fogel quickly realized that Rodchenkov was not just a guy in a Russian laboratory but the architect of Russia's state-run doping program. This led Fogel to realize that his footage was evidence of a criminal operation and an institutional conspiracy that would endanger Rodchenkov.
This is when Bryan's documentary took an unexpected turn and he had to fly Rodchenkov to Los Angeles for safety.
• Using the reference:
*Verbatim Article
  
• Reason for the change: The context of Fogel documenting his journey for Icarus and events that revealed the significance of Rodchenkov the expert Fogel had hired, and Fogel's realization of the implications which were covered in documentary as well as the actions taken to help protect Rodchenkov. 
• Please revise the sentence in the first paragraph of the published article section that I've suggested to move to a new paragraph, which separates it from the first paragraph presently.
Change "Fogel later connected with Russian scientist..." to the following.
:Fogel eventually helped prepare evidence with Rodchenkov, setting-up an interview at The New York Times.
Any clarifications on the above I can provide prior to submitting please do let me know, as my goal here was to highlight the proposal summary in a clear, organized and thoughtful manner to assist your efforts. Best Regards,
Jeremycohen333 (talk) 00:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 19-DEC-2023

message: In sections where your asking text to be revised, I need to see a verbatim description of the text to be removed. You've not included that with your request. The reasons for the changes being made also need to be clearer. Thus far, you've stated what is to be changed but you have not stated why it needs to be changed 
* In the section of text below titled Sample edit request, the main required items are shown as an example: 
 Please remove the third sentence from the second paragraph of the Sun section:
:"The Sun's diameter is estimated to be approximately 25 miles in length."
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 Please add the following claim as the third sentence of the second paragraph of the Sun section:
:"The Sun's diameter is estimated to be approximately 864,337 miles in length."
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:"The previously given diameter was incorrect."
*Kindly open a new edit request at your earliest convenience when ready to proceed with all four items from your request. Thank you!
Regards,  Spintendo  22:15, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Spintendo, could you please let me know if my edits of November 7th addressing your feedback and guidelines are accepted and can be posted? Thank you. Moliere93 (talk) 02:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 11-OCT-2023

message: Hi Spintendo, thank you for your guidance for the proper COI template for the proposed edits. The prior requests have been formatted accordingly to address each revision or addition to The Dissident section on Fogel's article.  
• Please revise the first sentence of The Dissident section adding Fogel's production company and co-wrote credit, as well as adding "feature" preceding "film":
After Icarus, in 2020, Fogel under the banner Orwell Productions,  co-wrote, directed and produced the 2020 American documentary feature film The Dissident, which follows the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi and Saudi Arabia's efforts to control international dissent.
• Using the same reference:
• Reason for change being made:  Fogel’s production company “Orwell Productions” should be noted here in connection with his feature film credit.
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• Please add as the second sentence of The Dissident section:
Fogel would enlist the support of the Human Rights Foundation and Thor Halvorssen.
• Using as the reference:
• Reason for change being made: Add the notable non-profit organization and founder that Fogel connected with to work together on his documentary film.
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• Please add as the third sentence of The Dissident section:
Fogel envisioned telling a story that went far beyond the newspaper headlines of Jamal Khashoggi’s murder.
• Using as the reference:
• Reason for change being made: Reporting of this incident had conflicting details and that inspired Fogel to research this subject and ultimately create a documentary based on these events.
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• Please revise the second sentence in the current wiki article, which will be the fourth sentence of The Dissident section: 
The film had its world premiere at the Sundance Film Festival in January 24, 2020 attended by Hillary Clinton, Alec Baldwin and Reed Hastings.
• Using as the references:
After “January 24, 2020”:  
After “Hillary Clinton”:  
After “Reed Hastings”:  
• Reason for change being made: Add notable political and entertainment industry figures that attended the premiere of his film.
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• Please add a second paragraph of The Dissident section:
Despite excellent reviews, major film studios were reluctant to pick up the film, for fear of reprisals. While The Dissident was met with acclaim when it premiered at the Sundance Film Festival, Fogel had trouble finding a distributor for the film, believing that this was due to the distributors’ ties to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
• Using as the 3 references after “…fear of reprisals”:
• Using as the references at the end of second sentence “…Kingdom of Saudi Arabia”:
• Reason for change being made: Fogel’s documentary was highly anticipated and initial reviews were positive, however distribution was difficult to obtain due to the subject matter of Fogel's film.
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• Please add a third paragraph in The Dissident section:
Fogel’s film was applauded by critics, ‘Fogel's investigation is vigorous, deep and comprehensive’ and ‘an eye-opening thriller brew of corruption, cover-up, and real-world courage.
• Using as the reference after first review “…deep and comprehensive”:
• Using as the reference after second review “…real-world courage.”
• Using as the reference after third review “…geopolitics are at play.”
• Using as the reference after forth review “…astounding achievement.”
• Reason for change being made: Include a select few of critics reviews from notable publications directly mentioning Fogel’s work as a filmmaker on the documentary.
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• Please revise the last sentence as a new paragraph in the current wiki article of The Dissident section combining Sundance Film Festival screening date next to world-wide premiere date. Also please add Mark Monroe (co-writer) after "73rd Writers Guild of America Awards".  And finally add a wiki link to "Best Documentary Feature" for BAFTA nomination recipients list that includes The Dissident for the award year.
The film was released on December 18, 2020, by Briarcliff Entertainment. Fogel's screenplay for The Dissident won the Writers Guild of America Award for Best Documentary Screenplay award at the 73rd Writers Guild of America Awards alongside Mark Monroe in 2020 and Fogel’s 2nd BAFTA Nomination for Best Documentary Feature.
• Using as the reference after “73rd Writers Guild of America Awards”:
• Using as references after “Mark Monroe”:
• Using as the reference at end of sentence/paragraph “Best Documentary Feature”:
• Reason for change being made: Add references to specific Awards mentioned and slightly revise sentence to indicate this was Fogel’s 2nd BAFTA nomination.
Thank you for your consideration. Moliere93 (talk) 04:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 07-NOV-2023

message: Hi Spintendo,
I would like to revisit these edit requests (see above) per my previous proposal that have not been addressed and would either like to continue this process with you or will start a new proposal for another editor’s review.
Thanks.. Moliere93 (talk) 20:25, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 05-FEB-2024

message: Hello Wikipedians, I'm re-submitting the proposed revisions and additions since I was unable to get a response from the prior editor after several attempts and a 6 month wait for a reply. See below the suggestions per COA template.
• Please revise the first sentence of The Dissident section adding Fogel's production company and co-wrote credit, as well as adding "feature" preceding "film":
After Icarus, in 2020, Fogel under the banner Orwell Productions,  co-wrote, directed and produced the 2020 American documentary feature film The Dissident, which follows the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi and Saudi Arabia's efforts to control international dissent.
• Using the same reference:
• Reason for change being made:  Fogel’s production company “Orwell Productions” should be noted here in connection with his feature film credit.
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• Please add as the second sentence of The Dissident section:
Fogel would enlist the support of the Human Rights Foundation and Thor Halvorssen.
• Using as the reference:
• Reason for change being made: Add the notable non-profit organization and founder that Fogel connected with to work together on his documentary film.
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• Please add as the third sentence of The Dissident section:
Fogel envisioned telling a story that went far beyond the newspaper headlines of Jamal Khashoggi’s murder.
• Using as the reference:
• Reason for change being made: Reporting of this incident had conflicting details and that inspired Fogel to research this subject and ultimately create a documentary based on these events.
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• Please revise the second sentence in the current wiki article, which will be the fourth sentence of The Dissident section: 
The film had its world premiere at the Sundance Film Festival in January 24, 2020 attended by Hillary Clinton, Alec Baldwin and Reed Hastings.
• Using as the references:
After “January 24, 2020”:  
After “Hillary Clinton”:  
After “Reed Hastings”:  
• Reason for change being made: Add notable political and entertainment industry figures that attended the premiere of his film.
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• Please add a second paragraph of The Dissident section:
Despite excellent reviews, major film studios were reluctant to pick up the film, for fear of reprisals. While The Dissident was met with acclaim when it premiered at the Sundance Film Festival, Fogel had trouble finding a distributor for the film, believing that this was due to the distributors’ ties to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
• Using as the 3 references after “…fear of reprisals”:
• Using as the references at the end of second sentence “…Kingdom of Saudi Arabia”:
• Reason for change being made: Fogel’s documentary was highly anticipated and initial reviews were positive, however distribution was difficult to obtain due to the subject matter of Fogel's film.
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• Please add a third paragraph in The Dissident section:
Fogel’s film was applauded by critics, ‘Fogel's investigation is vigorous, deep and comprehensive’ and ‘an eye-opening thriller brew of corruption, cover-up, and real-world courage.
• Using as the reference after first review “…deep and comprehensive”:
• Using as the reference after second review “…real-world courage.”
• Using as the reference after third review “…geopolitics are at play.”
• Using as the reference after forth review “…astounding achievement.”
• Reason for change being made: Include a select few of critics reviews from notable publications directly mentioning Fogel’s work as a filmmaker on the documentary.
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• Please revise the last sentence as a new paragraph in the current wiki article of The Dissident section combining Sundance Film Festival screening date next to world-wide premiere date. Also please add Mark Monroe (co-writer) after "73rd Writers Guild of America Awards".  And finally add a wiki link to "Best Documentary Feature" for BAFTA nomination recipients list that includes The Dissident for the award year.
The film was released on December 18, 2020, by Briarcliff Entertainment. Fogel's screenplay for The Dissident won the Writers Guild of America Award for Best Documentary Screenplay award at the 73rd Writers Guild of America Awards alongside Mark Monroe in 2020 and Fogel’s 2nd BAFTA Nomination for Best Documentary Feature.
• Using as the reference after “73rd Writers Guild of America Awards”:
• Using as references after “Mark Monroe”:
• Using as the reference at end of sentence/paragraph “Best Documentary Feature”:
• Reason for change being made: Add references to specific Awards mentioned and slightly revise sentence to indicate this was Fogel’s 2nd BAFTA nomination.
Many thanks in advance for your review and assistance to help publish this article updates. Moliere93 (talk) 01:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed revisions and additional information for "The Dissident"