Talk:James IV of Scotland

message: Always late but worth the wait. If you check the Howard Dean article you will find a link to his family tree that traces back to James IV.
I am slightly suspicious of this unsourced addition by an anonymous user that Howard Dean is descended from James IV.  It is not wildly implausible, he must have hundreds of descendants, but is trivia like this encyclopedic?  The user might have said which of his children Dean was descended from.  I propose to revert if we do not get a reply in a reasonable time.
PatGallacher 21:36, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)
James Stewart, 1st Earl of Moray is attributed to be the illegitimate son of James IV AND James V in the respective Wikipedia articles.  It is far more likely that he was the grandson of James IV, not his son.  Is a correction of James IV warranted?  (Last sentence of the article as it stands on 5.20.05)  --Dog Whisperer 03:23, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Howard Dean

message: James IV and V were named Stewart.  But James VI was named Stuart.  Is this an error, or did he change the spelling of his family name?
:It was changed by Mary Queen of Scots during her time in France, as the French did not have the letter "w". PatGallacher 13:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When war broke out between England and France as a result of the Italian Wars, James found himself in a difficult position.
Why?  Widsith 22:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Because he'd signed the Treaty of Perpetual Peace (1502) with England when he married Margaret Tudor, but already had an alliance with France, the so-called Auld Alliance. Whatever he did, he couldn't please everyone. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 22:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  more info 

message: The article mentions that there were problems with his burial because he had been excommunicated, but this is not explained, or even mentioned, anywhere else in the article. Tad Lincoln (talk) 03:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excommunication 

message: The story of the iron chain is doubtful, and Pitscottie writing 60 years after calls it a 'girth of iron' and later mentions it as possible identifier of the king's body as a 'belt of iron.' So I'm surprised to see it described as a 'celice', and though it was thought of as a penitential accessory, there is no suggestion that it more than cumbersome and uncomfortable. Unoquha (talk) 21:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celice 

message: There could be an element of doubt creeping in about his mistresses.  As well as his three better-established mistresses, he had a daughter by one of the Buchan family, but it's not clear which.  Anyone clarify? PatGallacher (talk) 14:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistresses 

message: Since his title was King of Scots, shouldn't the article be named James IV of Scots? —JadziaLover (talk | contribs) 18:23, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily, see WP:NCROY. PatGallacher (talk) 19:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scots vs Scotland 

message: I don't see why there is a problem with GB in the intro, as KJIV certainly was the last monarch from this island to die in battle. The last English King to do so being Richard III. Great Britain isn't a political name, it is a topographical one, no? Brendandh (talk) 12:05, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to put in British Isles rather than GB, but then Shane O'Neill has that dubious honour! Brendandh (talk) 16:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Britain

message: Though the Spanish diplomatic letter from Pedro de Ayala was indeed partly written in cipher the sections regarding James IV are not encoded. The 19th century translation from Castilian (i.e. Spanish) is not always prefectly accurate or complete: and in this instance has actually inserted a non-existent sentence about Spanish letters, as well as making an improbable guess that an indecipherable word is 'biblios'.
The original document, which says much more about James IV than is quoted here, is held in the Spanish archives and can be read at: 
General de Simancas,PTR,LEG,52,DOC.166 - 857V - Imagen Núm: 2 / 26
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&txt_accion_origen=2&txt_id_desc_ud=2207889
The extract quoted in this article reads in the original:
El Rey es de XXV años y algunos meses, mas creo tres. es muy bien proporcionado: no es gra[n]de
ni pequeño: es muy hermoso hombre en color y faciones quanto dezir se puede, tiene muy buena
gracia en hablar, habla estas lenguas: Latin muy bueno, frances, Aleman, Flamenco, Italiano,
español como mastre marqués y mas claro y no quiere que yo le forma fino en Spañol, y sui su
lengua natural scocessa la qual es con la Inglesa como aragones con Castellano, habla otra len-
gua que tienen los Salvajes en cierta parte de su Reyno y ciertas Islas: que es con la Sco-
cesa como lengua Vizcayna con Castellana, es cierto es en esto tan general que es cosa de
miramillar. tiene bien leyda la… [bruna?brima?brinia?]… y algu[n]os otros libros devotos de la sacra scriptura.
A different translation reads:
The King is XXV years old and some months, I think three. He is extremely well proportioned, neither big nor small. He is as handsome in complexion and form as a man can desire. He speaks very gracefully. He speaks these tongues: Latin very well, French, German, Flemish, Italian; Spanish as well as a marquis would, and clearer, and does not need me to speak carefully in Spanish; and his own natural tongue [lengua natural], Scottish, which, compared to English, is like Aragonese compared to Castilian. He also speaks another tongue the like which the savages have in a certain part of his kingdom and on certain islands. This, compared to the Scottish, is like Basque compared to Castilian. He is so proficient in this that it is a thing to marvel at. He has well read the [word indecipherable] and some other books devoted to the sacred scriptures.
Cassandra  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.111.131 (talk) 09:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pedro de Ayala - Spanish Diplomatic letter 

message: What does Excommunicated mean? I'm 3/4 Scottish American. Darth Jadus (talk) 21:27, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Excommunication (Catholic Church)  –  SquisherDa (talk) 23:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excommunicated? 

message: I don't understand the last paragraph of the first paragraph of the Early Years section. Could someone with more understanding of the subject clarify what exactly "his role in his father's death" means?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earthliz (talk • contribs) 03:25, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems a lot clearer now than it was at the time you queried it.  Do you reckon it’s now OK?  – SquisherDa (talk) 23:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Early Years

message: His illegitimate children seem poorly sourced.  It is possible that some who died in infancy may have slipped through the radar, but 2 who supposedly reached adulthood are not sourced anywhere, and the source looks poor, giving a supposed first marriage which is news to me. PatGallacher (talk) 17:55, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Illegitimate children

message: The section "Legends of the King's resting place" has a paragraph beginning with the word "However" and I was wondering whether it is a good idea to do this. Vorbee (talk) 15:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Legends of the King's resting place

message: The entry is largely accurate but if you look at the entry in Scotland per se Ie not in him himself it refers to him as last British king to die in battle . Wrong . He was never British ! Ensb1 (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  James IV king of Scots