Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Archive 7

message: On articles such as Washington, D.C., the list of sister cities does not match what is provided by Sister Cities International.  In this example, the portion of the article even says itself that only 10 of the entries are listed on that website.  I understand that agreements may be signed outside of Sister Cities Intl., but where can that information be found?  Is there another general website that I am missing, or is this something that should be referenced for each city not listed at Sister Cities Intl.?  My particular concerns is the trend of new and/or anonymous editors of adding new sister cities to numerous city articles without any indication of whether such is true or not.  Sláinte!  --Thisisbossi 16:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When lack of a local source is unable or hard to find, I've found that Sister Cities International's website is a good definitive source for these. But I have noticed that there can be some discrepancies. For example, looking at Los Angeles, California, and there are some cities not on the SCI website that are on the Los Angeles Sister Cities website. In this case, I've gone with the local source as the better one and removed SCI from being referenced. Dr. Cash 20:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they're definitely notable. But I still wouldn't put the priority very high. They show some interesting symbolic relationships between two cities internationally. Many cities have public displays of their sister city relationships as well (see Los Angeles, California, Louisville, Kentucky as examples). Dr. Cash 04:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Sister Cities are "notable" since they are cities, and all cities are "notable."  The Sister City relationship doesn't have to be "notable" to be appropriate content for an article, it just needs to be verifiable.  It seems like it would be good information to include in an enclopedia article, since it is interesting (to some of us) in itself and because it provides a useful research lead, both to the local Sister City committees and the frequently "notable" people involved and to news articles about the Sister City relationship.  For example, one of San Jose's sister cities is Dublin.  It started because our Irish-American mayor made friends with the Lord Mayor of Dublin; they both ended up leading delegations to the other's city, which generated lots of news coverage (plus, I got to meet the LM and his entourage, since they were interested in garbage and wastewater treatment); the Lord Mayor became Taoiseach of Ireland, which meets just about any notability standard that could be thought up here.  Similar exchanges involving "notable" personages are typical of sister city relationships, depending on the size of the cities.  Regarding pairs that aren't listed on the SCI website, I think that some were affiliated with the organization, but dropped off when the local committee didn't manage to sustain itself.  Others might have been products of the People to People Program.--Hjal 06:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister Cities 

message: What is appropriate for inclusion in a Media section for a city? Local newspapers, radio, and TV stations seem like locks, but recently, users have been adding online news sources dedicated to covering a particular area in the Media section of several cities on my watchlist. (For example, OwensboroReport.com for Owensboro, Kentucky and MuhlenbergNewsOnline.com for Central City, Kentucky.) Some of these look like blogs to me. A link was also added to a local classified ad paper in one instance. What guidelines can I cite in terms of links in the media section? Acdixon 19:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question regarding media 

message: A Peer review has been requested for Madrid, the article about the capital city of Spain, and an article within the scope of WikiProject Cities.  Please feel free to edit the Madrid article to improve it and/or leave a comment at Wikipedia:Peer_review#Madrid. EspanaViva 18:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the update!  There was a list of concerns provided quite some time ago at Talk:Madrid/Comments. Alan.ca 11:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started to peek at it too.  —MJCdetroit 13:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review requested for [[Madrid]] 

message: I replaced the featured article listings on the page with a progress chart, similar to progress charts that have appeared in other wikiprojects. The progress chart was originally put together by the Wikipedia 1.0 Assessment Team, and I just updated some of the numbers. They should be correct as far as I can tell.
So, it looks like most of the articles tagged for this Wikiproject are unassessed and unrated. So I guess there's a lot of work to do with the tagging. But on the bright side, we've got 36 articles that are currently rated as Featured Articles, so that's great! Dr. Cash 23:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Progress chart

message: I am considering adding the Infobox City template to all place articles in the United States (41,903 of them, mostly from the Rambot).  Please read and contribute to the discussion at the template's talk page: Template talk:Infobox City#Adding to all US Cenus Areas (41,903 cities/towns/townships/villages/etc.) --CapitalR 11:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Template:Infobox City to all U.S. Cenus Areas (41,903 cities/towns/townships/villages/etc.) 

message: The page says "There are 3 proposals for a revised city template, see talk page", but the talk page doesn't list any.  Are there still proposals, or is there a standard template?  In particular, was there resolution on the "notable natives" section? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eostrom (talk • contribs) 06:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wondering this myself. The main page itself is a mess. There are two different city templates on the main page... MahangaTalk to me 22:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the archives.  I did a quick check and found a brief mention here and the first few discussions here.  As far as I can gather (it was before my time here, too) there wasn't much discussion or consenses.  Brien ClarkTalk 04:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would prefer the "notable natives/residents" to be well down in the article for two reasons. 1) the article is about corporate identity not individual accomplishments. Cities aren't notable because certain people live there. 2) more practically, this section gets vandalized more than others. Vandals may not get that far in the article. Other sections take more intelligence to vandalize!   :) Can this be changed? Student7 19:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  City template 

message: Hi. I wondered if you have a moment to check that the outline of Minneapolis, Minnesota meets WikiProject City's goals, and if you have any suggestions or a model city to follow. A ton of work, but it is now separated into a main and daughter articles and has a template at the bottom serving as an index which seems to help on the smaller related articles. Here is a link to peer review in progress in case you have time. Thank you from a fan. Best wishes. -Susanlesch 01:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Hello. Some feedback came during GA review, but none here or in peer review. So I am going with a hybrid of your outline based on the advice of the two people who have edited Minneapolis and have some familiarity with your project. Of cities that are featured articles, Mumbai has always looked liked one of the best to me (no second level headings). Among U.S. cities that are featured, the present Minneapolis outline is closest to Boston, Massachusetts and Ann Arbor, Michigan, along the same lines as Mumbai. Sorry to depart from the standard but I guess it was meant to be flexible. -Susanlesch 06:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A city peer review

message: Hi, I have been having a raucous debate with another user over the use of the word city on this page Halifax, Nova Scotia.  I think the debate boils down to this - because the Halifax Regional Municipality is a rural, suburban and urban area, with a single municipal government, it is hard to call it a city.  However, the former city of Halifax does not exist in any legal way... further the adjacent suburban and urban areas all run together, its one big conurbation.   Anyway, please have a look at the talk page and tell me what you think, I am tired of the argument but I think the user is wrong, but I am at wits end. WayeMason 01:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  City definition debate - Halifax, Nova Scotia 

message: Just for your attention - the city of Flagstaff has passed GA status. LordHarris 11:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Flagstaff, Arizona]]

message: I've worked up a proposal for the city template, with better descriptions for individual areas, and accounting for many of the popular section I have seen in several city articles recently. Please take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Proposed Template, and let me know what you think. Dr. Cash 01:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion on this topic was moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Proposed Template. Please discuss this there. Dr. Cash 23:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: City template proposal

message: ::Hi I am part of the Wiki Project Cities and i want to encourage wikipedians to not only edit cities of the United States and North America but to try to expand all the cities around the world. There's a lot of important cities in Latin America which haven't receive enough importance and their articles Miss a lot of info...We should make wikipedia a place were everything can be found. Here are a couple of Cities in the Dominican Republic and the Caribbeans that need a lot of help.
*Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
*Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican Republic
*Panama City, Panama
*Guatemala City, Guatemala
*Santiago de Cuba, Cuba
*Havana, Cuba
and Much others to be fixed and expanded....If anyone is interested please let it known in my Talk page...(lets make this cities look better)EdwinCasadoBaez 05:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dominican Republic and Latin America Cities...TO ALL WIKIPEDIANS

message: I would appreciate if someone familiar with editing articles on large cities could take a look at Amsterdam. The sections are a bit of a mess, and some advice on when a subarticle (e.g "Education in Amsterdam") should be made would be useful. --User:Krator (t c) 19:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Amsterdam

message: I noticed that there isn't a user box for members to use so I made one! How does it look? Any comments or suggestions? -- Hdt83  Chat 05:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, but one suggestion, due to the fact that this project is more than just cities, it would be nice if it said something more encompassing like, "...articles about cities and various other settlements."  This would better match the scope of the project. Here is an example of the suggestion.  —MJCdetroit 18:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox anyone?? 

message: I have looked over several city articles—particularly the FA-class articles—and have noticed there is no navbox template for cities. For example, the Houston navbox is currently a modification of the US state navbox. I also found other navboxes rather small. I propose we discuss and plan the creation of a city navbox. --I Are Scientists 22:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Hi. Here is one and some related which you're welcome to ignore if they don't help or critique if they do. Today I removed some from the city article because they were slowing down loading. The city template used to incorporate some of those parts but I moved them to independent parts so that the plain top city template could go on all of its child articles without adding too much weight. Thanks for raising the topic. It will be interesting to hear what other template stories people have. -Susanlesch 01:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Thanks for the examples. I looked at the template of the navbox for Minneapolis and discovered that it was just the template for a generic navbox. I think the US state navbox would be a fair example of what the city navbox should look like (including the city's flag in the upper left corner) with several modifications to fit, of course. --I Are Scientists 01:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: *Sure. I made it generic to match the "50 largest U.S. cities" template and whatever other people cook up. At one time it was quite not-generic, with a flag like a state (I remember wondering if it might matter that some of the flags are copyrighted). Just a record of why. Best of luck in your discussion. -Susanlesch 01:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navbox 

message: Does an article on a city borough need to include info that applies to the whole city, for example, climate data, city newspapers, city council? If so, does it matter that this info would be repeated in all that city's borough articles? Epbr123 16:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles on city boroughs

message: Boston, Massachusetts has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boston, Massachusetts FAR 

message: Does the population figure need to be mentioned in lead if its shown in the adjacent infobox? Epbr123 00:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Population figure

message: Belgrade has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
Todor→Bozhinov 13:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belgrade on FAR 

message: Greetings Wikiproject Cities! On Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals I have proposed the possibility of making A Wikiproject Capitals to focus strictly on national Capitals. Some Wikipedians have proposed a Task Force of this Wikiproject to do the job. I am commenting here to get your suggestions on that nomination since the Wikiproject would be a descenadnt of yours or it would be Task Force of this Project. Thanks! •Felix• T 14:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would strongly oppose a separate wikiproject on national capitals. National capitals fall under this wikiproject, specifically through the importance aspect of WPCITIES (all national capitals are assessed at 'top' importance). A specific Task Force under this project might be good, but a whole separate wikiproject is going way too far. Dr. Cash 20:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alrighty then, thanks very much for the thoughts. I will try to propose this as a Task Force if that is alright with you all. •Felix• T 13:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Dr. Cash.  Capitals would fall under the scope of this project in the same manner that towns, villages, hamlets, townships, unincorporated communities, sections of municipalities, and neighborhoods also fall under this project. —MJCdetroit 13:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Capitals? Task Force Capitals? 

message: There's a small assessment backlog at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities/Assessment#Requesting_an_assessment that nobody seems to be attending to, so I'm linking it here in the hopes that someone comes along and takes an interest in Bratislava. — Mike Gogulski ↗C•@•T↗ 11:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was given a B a long time ago. But it has been significantly expanded since then and deserves a new rating. Tankred 21:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  assessment requests