Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 20

message: How do I create a new Wikiproject for Strategy Computer games? | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 21:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a real need for another separate WikiProject? jaco♫plane 08:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you have one for Role-playing, as well as many others for individual games. I know several people who like only strategy, including myself, and I would like a portal/wikiproject for strategy only. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 09:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See if people are interested (go here).--Clyde Miller 23:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Incidentally, there isn't a wikiproject for CVG Role playing games, that project is for tabletop RPGs and such.  --PresN 04:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, thank you; I'll try there. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 02:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject 

message: Arguments for / against its reliability? My use of it in Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon is part of an oppose vote. I like to bring things to the consensus of the WikiProject to encourage discussion and elaboration, so if anyone feels strongly on whether Chudah's corner is okay to use or not okay (in the same vein as VGCharts), please speak. If we decide it isn't, then as a matter of principle I will remove every instance of it being cited in CVG articles.
Also, can someone please help copyedit that article. I had four people from my site help, but they aren't hardened Wikipedians with predisposition to encyclopedic writing. Other than that, the entire thing's is 95% my effort, and for a month now I've had no success in finding someone here to help copyedit it. There's one last objection in the FAC, so please help WP:CVG get one more featured article. --Zeality 22:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a nice site....but it's a fansite. I believe in general fansites are usually not considered to be acceptable sources, especially when there's no official endorsement (contrast it to something like VGMWorld, which has official endorsement from a number of composers). ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 23:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chudah's Corner 

message: I've moved my draft CVG navbox guidelines here, incorporating the results of the previous discussion and the creation of Dispenser's . Further input would be appreciated.  - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navboxes yet again yet again 

message: Beginning cross-post.
:See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia. If you wish to comment, please comment there. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 00:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stablepedia 

message: FYI: A well sourced article on this unusual game is available under de:Painstation in German. It features several sources in English (including external 3D animations, Videos, mp3s and blogs).Since I myself don't have the time (RL takes its toll ;-) to transfer it, maybe some of you guys are interested. I really believe its worth the effort.  --Nemissimo II 10:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Painstation

message: Hi there, I had an issue with an article I have just written about a relatively new MMORPG game (Regnum Online). In fact the game has been in development for more than 4 year, and has been available to the public for more than a year now. But a couple of hours after I wrote the article, User:Pan Dan requested it's speedy deletion, asserting it is about "web content", which is not true. He also says the article is not "notable" and is inappropriate. If you could help us settle this matter I will be most grateful.
I am now adding more sources that talk about the game.
Thanks in advance Jcpetruzza 15:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion Issue

message: Should this article not be written more in a fictional biography style?  It seems to contain information the games themselves such as them being remade or "The NES port of Metal Gear was an unexpected million-seller when it was released in North America.[1] The sequel, Snake's Revenge, was developed without the involvement of the first game's director, Hideo Kojima. It only saw release in North America and Europe".  Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like if it is the Solid Snake article it should act more as a history of the character like the comic character articles currently do.Darkwarriorblake 20:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Solid Snake]]

message: I put a cleanup tag on it before, but no changes seem to have been made. A better table needs to be put into the article for the characters. As of now... it's just huge lists for characters and series' that are represented in the game. In my opinion, the whole "original appearance" section of the current table doesn't need to be listed. It's a video game article, not an anime guide. RobJ1981 22:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what edits you did to the article, since I forgot about this post. From the looks of it: the article is still a huge mess. It's one huge list of characters, with some other information. RobJ1981 07:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jump Ultimate Stars]] is in need of major cleanup

message: I'm wondering if we could get some editors over to the Medieval II: Total War article and provide assistance with a minor dispute.
Short story: one editor put in a paragraph in the Criticisms section about a review of the game from a noted Swedish historian; another editor (myself) condensed it into a single sentence (with links).  Editor 1 insists that the historian deserves a full paragraph; Editor 2 thinks the shorter version is better.  More can be read in the talk page for Medieval II.
Thanks in advance --DarthBinky 15:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help requested at Medieval II: Total War 

message: The early history of Game Producer is wrong.
The first company to use "game producers" was Activision. This took place in 1981 when Activision realized they were in the entertainment business and that the term "project manager" just didn't fit the reality of the job. Brad Fregger was chosen to be the first "game producer," making him the first game producer in the world. The entire story is told in his book, Lucky That Way. Electronic Arts made the same decision after finding out that Activision had created the title of "Producer" for computer and video games. Remember, at that time, Electronic Arts (San Mateo) and Activision (Mountain View)  were both San Franciso Bay Area companies, very competitive and closely related. The source for this information is Kenneth L. Coleman--bio: here -- Bradfregger 17:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bradfregger first brought this up on the Game producer Talk page, and I responded to him there.  Discuss any further there, please.-- Talk 16:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Correcting History of [[Game Producer]]

message: Seriously. The editors here actually know how to tell cruft from useful information. Look at Template:Cosmic_Era_mobile_weapons. 80 pages on a bunch of useless robots. I put it on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/CAT1-X_Hyperion_Gundam_series and CLEARLY pointed out the policy violations. It wasn't going bad, until the anime project kiddies came over and took a steaming s*** on it, voting "Keep all" for no good reason. This is why I hate Wikipedia. People voting to keep absolute crap for no relevant reason - and you know what? It'll be consensus to "keep all" or "no consensus" because those children just have to vote to keep them. Yeah, let's forget about the clear policy violations and listen to the 12 year olds just because there's a lot of them. Man, am I glad I hate anime, otherwise there'd be no way I'd ever edit Wikipedia. --TheEmulatorGuy 00:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although pretty irrelevant to CVG, those articles have come up for deletion before at exactly the same location  ((You should have started a new page instead).  The outcome is going to be exactly the same, no consensus.  I made a comment in the original AFD, but someone posted a really shitty counterargument to it after which I couldn't be bothered to rectify. - hahnchen 00:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Now now, not all of the editors at WP:ANIME are like that :) Many of us are trying to delete, merge, cut, etc a lot of those kinds of articles. Just because us as fans like this kinda stuff doesn't mean we should include it. It just takes some people a little more time to realize that :) -- Ned Scott 04:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And don't worry, even if the AfD goes for keep or no consensus, we can continue the debate and outlast the initial fan-keep reaction, and then re-list it with the results of that discussion. -- Ned Scott 04:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the reasons the CVG project does well is that there are compendiums that allow unverifiable, opinionated information; as such we can simplify our wiki articles and move game related info elsewhere.  If only there were Anime wiki's, etc. --Notmyhandle 09:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm glad most of my editing is around this project 

message: The template should have an image caption field. Especially if a cover has been tagged as replaceable or for deletion. -- ReyBrujo 12:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It does, you'll find |caption= just below |image=. Oh, I sort of overlooked the header and thought this was about , nevermind. Combination 19:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox VG system needs a caption field 

message: I'm planning a series of pages on video gaming attitudes and production in individual countries, and would like to send out a request for assistance in this. I've already started on the Video gaming in Germany article - use this to express opinions or as a template for future articles on other countries. Particularly interesting I think would be articles on the US, Japan, UK, South Korea, China, France and Arabic countries. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs  14:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help requested for regionalisation of video gaming 

message: I'd noticed that there are no articles at all in said category. Looking around, I discovered that games like Postal 3 and The World Online are not there because someone (whom I'll not name since I'm not sure if it's proper) got the idea that since the games already have the Upcoming Games template that they and a few other games should not be in the category. And whenever I tried to add the category, this person took it away again. Any ideas on what to do about this? N. Harmonik 16:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most likely explanation? Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and 2008 is over a year away -- not soon enough to count as worth while for things such as video games, which can and do change very easily. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 16:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Probably the reason above is why the action was done. However, if it was up to me, I would've kept it as the companies did announce those release dates and if they are delayed closer to release, we can change them. 2009, however, would be a complete crystal ball and I cannot be for that. guitarhero777777 18:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's not the point. The Wikipedian who edited them thinks that because those articles have the template for Upcoming Games that they can't be in the category for 2008 computer and video games. If that's true then why we might as well do the same to articles that are in the category for 2007 computer and video games. N. Harmonik 22:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I missed the point. Of course you can have games in a category even if they have a certain template. Templates and categories don't have anything to do with each other. At least that's my understanding. guitarhero777777 22:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I say it's fine to add the year category back in.  Refer the editor to this discussion (on the article's Talk page) if they give you grief again. — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: 2008 computer and video games 

message: Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon's FAC has been restarted as too confusing, so if you participated in the previous one, or even if you didn't, come on by!  --PresN 16:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon

message: I realize this template is part of the ongoing attempt to reduce talk headers' sizes, but it doesn't have bot functionality. Could, by chance, someone who knows what's going on do something about it? It's presently on the PS3 talk page. Nifboy 21:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say we delete this template. As far as I can tell there is no consensus whatsoever to replace the  with this new template. It also undoes all the work we've done on prioritizing & rating articles. jaco♫plane 00:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, does anyone know why  is set to "hide" by default even though the todo box isn't showing? jaco♫plane 02:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I am not asking for anyone to replace the current template on other talk pages. --gatoatigrado 05:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: 10,431 to be exact, as of last night.  --PresN 07:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Template:Cvgproj2]]?

message: These stubs are really bare and they need some assistance immediately!
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Murphyg001 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm not a janitor 

message: Hi, could a couple of people please take a look at List of Call of Duty mods and List of Battlefield 1942 mods? I've marked the pair of them as Unencyclopedic per WP:NOT, and want to put them up for AfD, but the Battlefield list has had a No Consensus twice, whilst still remaining an awful to look at article full of indiscriminate information, and I'm not 100% about the Call of Duty list, which is why I would welcome a second opinion. The Kinslayer 15:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mod Lists 

message: Linking to an online script of a game may improve game citation verifiability for the VGCite tag, but would this be precluded by scripts possibly being copyright violations? --Zeality 00:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure, does linking to game scripts fall under the same rules for linking to song lyrics which I believe is a copyright violation? Timkovski 18:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  VG citation script parameter 

message: I would like to know how to become a member of a wikiproject, particularly this one, I'm assumming that you just say you are a member, but I'm just making sure.--Granpire Viking Man 22:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you got it right. Just add the userbox of the wikiproject to your userpage. Some other wikiprojects have rosters, but this particular one doesn't.--Clyde Miller 22:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  membership 

message: I can't seem to find the discussion where it says every game should be linked to MobyGames? Can someone help me out? Bgold4 02:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe such a discussion ever occurred. There was this mess that didn't get anywhere, and so I'm happy to leave it at "Do what you want". Nifboy 02:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: perhaps we can simply organize a vote for it? I think we need some closure on this issue Bgold4 03:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no reason they should have to, but there's no reason they can't (as by the same token, most Star Trek articles link to Memory Alpha, etc.). Still, I think the argument that if a more relevent link (like the official website) provides as much or more info, the MG link is redundant, as per WP:EL. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 03:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the consensus of the previous debate was strong argue in circles. Link to them if you feel they are relevant, otherwise don't. Whatever. --tjstrf talk 03:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I concur.  Link to it if you care to, but don't get upset if someone links to it and you didn't want to. And, in many cases, I think MobyGames is a better link than "the official website."  For example, MobyGames lists full credits, while the official website usually won't. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moby Games 

message: Input from members of this group may be helpful at Talk:Tekken#Requested move. If this is the wrong place to announce this, I apologize and please move it; I didn't see a listing for requests for comments or the like. -- nae'blis 22:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is a good place to come when you're looking for some more opinions on a cvg-related topic. --PresN 21:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  proposed Tekken move 

message: Besides List of King of Fighters: Maximum Impact characters (10 subsections, 59 items), I just found out that Sonic Riders has 6 subsections with 41 trivia items, plus 8 hidden in the Notes section. I believe the trivia in the WikiProject should be reworded to Trivia: Notable bugs, cameos, rumors, fan activity, and alike can be included as long as a reliable citation is given. Trivia items without citation are to be removed without discussion. This way we would be able to clean dozens of game articles with trivia that originates from message boards and forums. -- ReyBrujo 14:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think trivia should be small in the first place. In alot of cases: trivia can be put into the article in other ways. But for the sake of huge trivia lists: much of it is (from what I've seen at least) are obvious notes that aren't trivia in anyway. Notable bugs? I don't know about that section. Many games have bugs, what's the difference between "notable" and non-notable in that case? As for rumors: don't belong on Wikipedia at all. Wikipedia isn't a rumor mill, if it's unconfirmed and just a rumor.. it shouldn't be listed. If a reliable source is found for it, then it belongs, but only after the source is found. I'm not too sure if fan activity and cameos are that notable either. If notable enough, I suppose it could remain. RobJ1981 19:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia again 

message: Mario's up for WP:GA/R - concern seems to be about the citations - criteria 2a and 2d have been named specifically.  - Malkinann 23:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mario's up for Good Article Review

message: Hey, can anybody help me out with cleaning up the King of Fighters article? I recently removed a bunch of fan site links from the article's external links section, but a user revert my edit, calling it vandalism and claiming that the links had "important information" and were "more than just fansites".  Considering most of the sites are basically fansites with  primary research about the games, I'm pretty sure that they don't belong in the article. I'm however too busy to continue in this conflict, so could somebody help out on this article.
On a related note, there really needs to be a group of users who are interested in improving the quality of the King of Fighters articles to Wiki standards, and not just adding fan observations, trivia and original research to them. Almost all of the KoF articles are in horrible shape, and KoF has a rabid enough fanbase that they'd revert any changes that take away the cruft they'd find important. NeoChaosX  (he shoots, he scores!) 01:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really, can someone at least help resolve the external links problem on King of Fighters? The user reverted my edits again and I'm not looking to violate 3RR over somebody who thinks all these excessive links are useful, so I've just marked the section as needing external link clean up. There really needs to be at least one other person who could help out in (at least) mediating this issue. NeoChaosX  (he shoots, he scores!) 17:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry shape of [[King of Fighters]] articles 

message: While Template:Move to gaming wiki lists Encyclopedia Gamia, StrategyWiki, and GameInfo as places for more in-depth information, GameInfo has a policy against taking content from Wikipedia; for this reason, it seems inappropriate to keep their site in the existing template. Perhaps it can be modified to read something like :
This article or section is a candidate to be moved to a gaming wiki.
Articles on computer and video games should not list minutiae or give a detailed description of how to play the game : such topics should be moved to a gaming wiki, such as StrategyWiki for gameplay information and walkthrough content, or Encyclopedia Gamia for general information/trivia.
If the article or section can be re-written to give an encyclopedic overview, please do so and remove this message.  
See What Wikipedia is not and WikiProject Computer and video games for further details on content guidelines.
Category:Move to gaming wiki
<noinclude>
Any thoughts? Join me at Template talk:Move to gaming wiki. Tzaquiel 16:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  move to gaming wiki template needs modification? 

message: I just wanted to bring it to the attention of other users, but Resident Evil 4 has been getting a guns/weapon section inserted frequently in the last couple of days. In particular, one main user may be using one-off names such as ,  and  as well as the IP  to do this. These sections/edits have been summarily removed by myself and others under WP:NOT. Like I said, just wanted to bring this to attention. -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 21:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you have enough evidence... request a check user on the names (if there isn't one already in place). I can't remember the page for that though.  RobJ1981 22:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Resident Evil 4]] and guns section 

message: Central processing unit has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
Sandy (Talk) 23:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Central processing unit FAR

message: Obvious question maybe, but I've just tidied up this article. It was previously rated stub class, so how do I get it re-assessed? Thanks for the help! Tbone762 23:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone can assess an article. This explains the grading scale. Thunderbrand 00:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is really a very valid question.  A large number of articles in WP:CVG are marked "Stub" or "Start", when actually they've been substantially improved since initial rating.  In many cases, these articles should be able to move up to a "B".  However, I suspect that it's probably poor form to rate articles for which you've provided a majority of the content; is this correct?  --Slordak 00:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is a rule to re-assessing an article you have done most of the work. If it follows the guidelines presented in the Editorial Team page, then I see no problem. I imagine in some cases people don't re-assess them because they either forgot or didn't notice them on the talk page. Thunderbrand 01:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While it might be considered bad form to rate an article that you contribute to heavily, in practice you might as well do it.  Not many people rate articles, so unless you ask, it's unlikely that someone will do it.  I'll do it if you ask, but I see no problem with doing it yourself.  --PresN 06:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the further elaboration, Thunderbird and PresN.  A good example of the situation in my mind is Viva Piñata, which is currently marked "Stub".  This article certainly seem to have a lot of pretty solid content which should move it beyond this rating.  I don't think every article needs to work it's way up to "Good Article" status, but things which have been moved beyond "Stub" or "Start" should probably reflect this. --Slordak 14:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I rerated it as a start, but I'd say it's a couple refs or a removal of the trivia section from a B. --PresN 15:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Speaking of, I noticed WP:FILM has a future rating in its assessments (which is rather well-populated). Perhaps we ought to use it? I've often held off on rating articles on games that aren't going to be released for a while simply by virtue of the lack of information available. Nifboy 17:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's unncessary and requrires double the work - to rerate it as future and then to remove that once it the game is released. Hbdragon88 21:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-assessment?

message: I just updated Lemonade Tycoon's page. While I don't believe, with the additions I made, that it is a stub anymore. I removed the stub note at the bottom, but there is one on the discussion page refering to this WikiProject. Can someone who knows what they're doing change this for me? Holosoth 03:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to leave it as stub because a lot of the info is like a game guide, and the article is set in past tense. to change that, though, edit the talk page and change the "class=" thing. EX: "class=stub" can be changed to "class=A". Scepia 04:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: To be precise, it can be class=Stub, Start, B, GA, A, and FA (in that order).  --PresN 05:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating Games previously known as stubs? 

message: I'd like the guidelines for the nav boxes to be somewhat tweaked. Their purpose is there for one reason and one reason ONLY and that it to ease navigation. So if I'm on the Final Fantasy VII page and then easily wanna slip over to XIII I should, without a doubt, be able to. As things are now, this is not the case. And this is just bonkers. 
Whether or not a game is released in English or not is completely irrelevant. The same goes for if the game is unreleased, that too is irrelevant. The only thing that matter is whether or not the game, or just article in general is noteworthy, which generally can be determined through the fact whether or not the subject has or hasn't a wikipedia entry. (Djungelurban 12:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's been much warring about future released games, such as including Battle Revolution on the Pokemon template, or MGS3 on the MGS template.  Apparently the FF one doesn't, I don't know why. Hbdragon88 19:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Check out the archives of this page -- there was a discussion on this not too long ago. Basically, most people seemed to agree that if the game has more than trivial coverage, it's worth adding, but there was no across the board agreement. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 21:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nav Box change 

message: I believe that the "style" section needs a significant audit to uphold current schools of thought. Here are some examples
* "Make sure to use the [spoiler tags] when appropriate" should be reworded to mention that they should be omitted if the section is already called "plot" and whatnot...
* Emphasis on copyediting, prose enhancement, and discrimination against flowery prose.
— Deckiller 05:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: About spoiler tags, I'm not sure if I agree that they should be omitted from plot sections. I don't think they're as vital in a plot section, because, hell, it's the plot section. However, if someone has reason to believe (a rational reason) that a reader will read an unexpected spoiler, then I don't see the harm. I'd just say that they're generally unneeded in such sections. -- Ned Scott 06:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Before another spoiler tag discussion explodes here again, it should be noted that this was discussed at length here. jaco♫plane 06:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was apart of the 1 or 2 MB discussion that resulted from that initial discussion. (Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning/Guideline status2, Wikipedia:Spoiler warning/RfC - Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning/RfC) We never really got a strong consensus one way or the other. It is fair to say that the tags should generally be avoided in plot sections, as they're not really needed, but there's no strong consensus to forbid them there. -- Ned Scott 06:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

text: can't expect users to look at the headers, let alone know what plot or a synopsis is. and on pages with long plot sections, it would be easy to stumble across the game's ending when scrolling up from another section. Scepia 06:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes to the "style" section recommended

message: I've proposed a change so that titles are italicized by default but non-italicized text can also be added. Since there are more links without italicized text than with it, editors shouldn't be forced to have to manually italicize every title. Any thoughts? OriginalJunglist 05:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how it's a problem for editors to include the italics tags in the template call. Most would be copying and pasting it from the usage explanation, or something similar. I've been trying to maintain the articles that use this template and watch out for people who use it improperly (which is usually the case). And as I (and other editors) have already stated, having italics within the template itself makes it impossible to handle titles that should not be italicized, and makes another parameter required to include extra information about the game's system. --- RockMFR 06:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really a problem, more of an inconvenience. The proposed change would make it so that titles are italicized by the template (like before) but now the editor could also add non-italicised text through an extra paramater. Since non-italicized text is rarerly used in these templates the proposed change would speed up the editing process by only having the editor have to add extra markup when non-italicized text was being used (as opposed to having to add extra markup to common italicized-only titles).OriginalJunglist 07:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, adding markup in the template call is not a problem. You seem to be going under the assumption that these links are added frequently - they aren't, and shouldn't be. Only when they are actually useful should they be added, which is not usually the case. And then there's the point of making approximately 500 pointless edits to fix all the existing calls for no reason. --- RockMFR 17:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Gamespot/Gamefaqs template change 

message: Ok, so the current events page isn't such a success. However, the "In the news" template is linked to from the CVG Portal. It would be great if more active users kept an eye on that page and would be willing to add major events to the list. The CVG portal is linked to from thousands of talk pages and as such has a high visibility. I guess this is my last attempt to make this work... I'm tempted to delete the whole thing so I don't have to worry about it being unmaintained. jaco♫plane 18:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current events page (again) 

message: Currently, a slew of redirects to Link were made...all are under R3. Look at CAT:CSD right now. «TTV»(talk|contribs|email) 04:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is the CVG +CSD Report 04:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 

message: Okay, I have a problem over at RPG Maker (series), and I'm hoping you CVG folks could help me with some issues regarding it. The article currently has a section taking about the illegal translations of the PC RPG Makers, but it was recently removed by anon for the reason that we shouldn't be promoting the illegal downloading of coprighted works. However, one user,  put back the paragraph, claiming it was "POV" and "biased" to remove the paragraph. I agree with the anon, since Wikipedia should not be linking to illegal content, but Dynamo is pretty set in his view that removing the section is somehow "POV". So I ask you, CVG users - what should be done about this section? NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 20:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: /Talking/ about illegal things are fine, especially if there's verifyable refs. Providing links to go around copyright isn't, of course. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 21:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Melodia is correct, we can have the section, just don't link it to anything breaking copyright. This website has articles about assassinations and terrorism, but doesn't link to websites suppoting terrorism. guitarhero777777 23:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talking about illegal translations 

message: Can I get some mediation and/or help in a dispute over at the aforementioned article? The discussion may need to be moved here for more community input at the very least. - ZakuSage 00:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The headers should just be "first generation", "second generation", etc. This has been argued to death in other places, hasn't it? --- RockMFR 04:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it has been argued in plenty of other places, with a general consensus that basing the labellings on "how many bits" only ends up entirely confusing. - ZakuSage
I requested (and got) a full page protection to stop the edit warring.  I also filed 3RR reports against both warring parties. Also, I agree with Rock - the history pages are also named like so (first and second gen) instead of 8-bit, 16-bit, so forth. Hbdragon88 04:35, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute resolution at article [[Console wars]] 

message: So, what's the upshot on Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games/Navboxes? I've revised the advice on unreleased games to give better guidance (generally no if it doesn't have a definite release date, definitely no if it doesn't have a release title or has never been shown in playable form), and done some other tweaks.
Does it have consensus? The only protests lately have been over when to include or exclude upcoming games, or the color (which can be tweaked by changing Template:CVG navigation anyway). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  So, um...navboxes yet again yet again? 

message: Since for some reason The Internet Movie Database has entries on video games, should links to the IMDb be included in articles? --May the Edit be with you, always. T-borg (drop me a line) 15:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No real reason, unless the page has actual, helpful, extra info. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 16:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

text: IMDB has rich content on films, so any film article on wikipedia invariably has a link to IMDB.  However, the entries for video games are usually a little sketchy, and other sites such as MobyGames have content far more detailed.  So as Melodia points out, suggest only linking video game articles to IMDB when IMDB has particularly good coverage. --Oscarthecat 16:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Got it, thanks. --May the Edit be with you, always. T-borg (drop me a line) 11:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMDb links 

message: Centrx recently removed a lot of the functionality from the talk page template, like the ability to show a GCOTW nomination, whether an article is selected, etc.  I doubt that there is consensus for this change, so I've reinstated the old version. jaco♫plane 16:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Shameless self-promotion) Why not just move the additional tags into a show/hide bar, as in ? Kirill Lokshin 17:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That would be an acceptable solution for me if someone wants to implement that, but removing this functionality altogether is not. jaco♫plane 18:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Given the (often) dodgy code of the hide/show script I would advise against that, and it also requires Javascript enabled functionality at the end user, which isn't always the case. We're better off being as accessible as possible. Combination 19:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That may be a valid point in article-space; but I suspect that the number of people who want access to the WikiProject tagging system but don't have JS enabled is so small that it's not an issue.  It's not like there's some critical problem that would arise from not seeing the little collaboration tag, in any case. Kirill Lokshin 19:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|Cvgproj}} 

message: I'd like to propose that more work is done on the main X-COM article. As I'm sure some of you are aware, X-COM was a highly influential series, and I don't think that the article does it justice. More needs to be mentioned of the critical acclaim of both the series as a whole and especially X-COM: UFO Defense. I'll contribute a bit, but I'd appreciate some help. --Mouse Nightshirt 00:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  X-COM main article 

message: Now that Metal Gear Solid is a Good Article, I'm trying to get it to Featured Article. Sadly, references have been pretty much dried up. The Audio and Development section needs some work, but I don't have any references to expand it on. If you'll click my profile, you'll see the references that I used in the article (some of them I didn't use). If you can pick out some additional information from them, that'd be just as helpful as finding new references. You don't need to edit the article, I'll be happy with you posting some links or information here. Cheers. --TheEmulatorGuy 05:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need some references to get to FA 

message: Would anyone like to help expand/cleanup List of computer and video gaming topics and List of game topics? --- RockMFR 21:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of computer and video gaming topics]] 

message: Apparently the fact that SotC is set in a fantasy world is too obvious to include. Perhaps, if you've played the game, but we can't assume readers have. I'd appreciate some external opinions here, it's  becoming me vs. a sock army. -- Steel 21:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but from what it looks like, you've got it in the wrong place and using the wrong wording. It would be fine if you mentioned it in the lead or worked it into a sentence, but plotting it conveniently at the end of the section isn't a good idea. It needs to flow. --TheEmulatorGuy 03:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check my latest edit to the article . --- RockMFR 22:12, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. You obviously seem incapable of consensus, as you'll just continue reverting as normal. --- RockMFR 22:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shadow of the Colossus 

message: I believe, and many others probably agree, that the main page for this project is becoming very long and cluttered. I am proposing that we take out the full guidelines section and simply give a link to a guidelines sub-page. Anyone agree? Greeves 22:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do, it's way too long, just make the link to it very clear and obvious.  --PresN 05:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guidelines 

message: I would like to propose moving back to using flag icons instead of superscripted abbreviations for release dates in the infobox. The flags are more clean and simple than the superscript. It seems that there are only three slight reasons to use the superscript: 
# A person may not know what country a certain flag stands for. However, if a person can't figure out those three flags (very rarely anything but Japan, USA, Euro) then they're probably just as likely to not be able to understand the abbreviations.
# The superscript is linkable. But honestly, this isn't so useful is it? Besides, if you really need to figure a flag out, you can click the image and it'll have a link to the country.
# Ability to say "North America" instead of just "USA".
To me, the biggest hassle about the superscript is that it's impossible for me to memorize and type it. I have to copy and paste it every time, as the amount of text to enter is over twice as long. Just look at it:
:JPN 
:vs. 
:
Another reason to go back to flags is that we seem to be the only Wikiproject supporting this format. Both WikiProject Films and WikiProject Anime and Manga use flags for release dates in their infoboxes. 
So anyways, this is a proposal to change the project's official policy to reflect using flags in infoboxes. Do I have support? --SeizureDog 11:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently you can use ((vgrelease|NA|September 7, 1997)), which gives .  I hadn't been doing that, but I think I'll start.  The main reasons, though, are the same ones that there was when the swatch happened- there is no North America flag, the EU flag looks horrible that small, and any worldwide release is a mess, as the little globe picture is unpossible to figure out what it is.  Also, you can't link pictures, so you can't click on the little EU or World flag to get taken to an article saying what it is, a major problem for articles that have, say, a really late Poland release or something, as most people don't know the Polish flag.  I really like the flags, but the letters work better.  --PresN 15:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the release date is universal, then there's no need to narrow it down. --SeizureDog 16:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could be wrong, but I believe it's quite rare for a game to have a universal release date. --ADeveria 17:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags vs. Superscript 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: Hello, all! I've gotten dragged into editing the Devil May Cry 2 article and I think it's coming along well, though it still has quite a way to go. If anybody is willing to help me wikify the crap out of this thing I'd appreciate it. I've got a to-do list sitting in the DMC2 talk page if anybody's interested. Every bit helps!
Cheers, Lankybugger 21:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open Call to Editors for help with [[Devil May Cry 2]] 

message: Is there any reason that every PS3 game i've looked at does not have the CVG banner?  Also, the PS3 article doesn't have it either.  I've added it to a couple of new future games because I thought that no one had seen it yet, but to miss the PS3??  I dunno.Andrew 18:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PlayStation 3 and games? 

message: Hi, can anyone give me some assistance at Trainer (games)? A little while ago I removed the external links as they all seemed be self-promotions that failed WP:EL, but today I had an angry message from a new user who represents one of those linked sites. Can I ask someone to review those external links and double-check to see if they pass WP:EL? Thanks. Marasmusine 18:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're in the right. I removed them all as well.--SeizureDog 21:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your support SD. Marasmusine 21:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I read the discussion (on your part) and frothy-mouthed ranting from a would-be self-promoter (Apache), and to be honest, it doesn't look anything anyone from here says is going to help. He wants a link to his site on the page (He claims his site and group make 90% of the trainers on the net. Yeah. Right.) He's not gonna back down unless he's forced down. have you take it to arbitration? I don't think anything less then admin intervention will help here. Anything anyone says is likely to enflame the situation. Just my thoughts as someone having a look from the outside of course! Hope they help. The Kinslayer 13:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Just to further clarify matters, anyone wishing to involve themselves with this should look here to see Apaches- edit history. It speaks for itself. The Kinslayer 14:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I just reported him under 3RR. He admits to being high up with the website for the link he keeps insisting on putting back in, and refuses to listen to anyones explanations about why he can't. The Kinslayer 15:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links at [[Trainer (games)]] 

message: I created the article Ultimate Air Combat and it was stubbed, now I have since edited it, couldone of you kind people tell me what need doing and/or change its status? Many thanks (Fethroesforia 11:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably not a stub, but you have other problems. For one, there's no lead whatsoever. There doesn't seem to be a "no lead" tag, so I put the "too short" tag instead. Also, there are too many lists. They should probably get the ax.--SeizureDog 12:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Ideally, what you do for a list is convert it into prose. Which is to say, normal article text in sentences. --tjstrf talk 13:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but I'd say that the missions and the weapons lists should just be removed completely. Perfect Dark for example, used to have both types of lists but no longer does. The 3 fighters that can be used easily works in prose form however.--SeizureDog 13:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is my article still stub class?