Talk:Maranatha Campus Ministries

message: My apologies for marking my edits on 1/19 & 1/31 as "minor".  I marked them as such because they were relatively small edits and only pertained to one section of the article.  However these edits did change content and, as stated wikipedia editing standards, should not have been given the minor designation.  I will be careful to comply with all wikipedia standards for my future edits.  R. Ridge1961 (talk) 20:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Unless clearcut examples of violation of neutrality can be provided within the next 7 days, I will be calling for the removal of the tag.Osakadan 16:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "''NPOV dispute''' 

message: Jcr4runner 
Au contraire.
I would recommend that the POV dispute tag be KEPT until the article is substantially edited. TIK TOK is entitled to his opinion, but it should be known that it is an opinion and the article should be extensively revised by a third party to ensure journalistic neutrality. This type of thing -- attacking a church -- might occur on blogs and discussion groups, but not on Wikipedia. It diminishes Wikipedia's value as a source of factual information.
The reasons being:
1. The article is primarily an attack on Every Nation and seeks to prove its aberrant nature by providing "Links to Maranatha Ministries." The POV is a glorified conspiracy theory implying that the "link" is secretive even though the founders of Maranatha (Bob Weiner) and Every Nation (Rice Broocks) have written autobiographies in which they chronicle their relationship with each other. These would be TAKE DOMINION and CHANGE THE CAMPUS CHANGE THE WORLD. The "link" is really a moot point. It's like advancing a theory about "The Secret Zionist Conspiracy within the State of Israel." There is no conspiracy or secret.
2. The various founders and leaders of both groups have produced extensive books, autobiographies, magazines, newspapers, videos, DVDs etc. None of these are cited in the article. The main citations are articles written against the churches claiming they are aberrant in some way. I would recommend more information from TAKE DOMINION and CHANGE THE CAMPUS CHANGE THE WORLD as well as articles written by current members themselves. Most of the journalistic criticism cited comes not eyewitness accounts, but from a biased and tertiary POV.
3. The article exists to chronicle the controversy rather than the history, activities, personalites and teachings of the church. The latter are quite interesting and newsworthy. These addditional facts ought to make up most of the article. I think the controversy should be included, but it should not be the main feature as is. This biased POV should be heavily cut and edited.
4. The writer of the article has stated his belief that it is a well-known fact that Maranatha was a "cult" -- but he does not define what a "cult" is and does not mention the fact that both EVERY NATION and MARANATHA have published extensive literature and church confessions that fall within the confines of Christian orthodoxy. These churches have upheld the standards of the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, etc. Experts in Christian orthodoxy who have written books and extensive articles on this topic, such as me, would interpret such a group as a "Christian church" and definitely not a "Christian cult." A Christian cult is a group that violates several tenets of Christian orthodoxy agreed upon by all churches (such as the ecumenical creeds, etc.) Whether or not other doctrinal and practical problems exist is relevant, but these do not necessarily define a religious group as being a "cult."
I write as a former member of Maranatha (1987-1989) who readily admits some disagreements with both Maranatha and Every Nation's doctrines and practices. However, in NO WAY can this article be considered neutral.
(Comment: As I have mentioned above, the article seems to me to be only reporting information that is, itself, biased. i.e. the reports from investigations into Maranatha. Perhaps we need to know more about Maranatha itself and how it operated other that from investigations. This might include naterial from ex-members and/or leaders, as well as those opposing it. Of course, the author could be sifting the available information in an apparently neutral manner. Noggle 06:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "''NPOV dispute removal dispute''' 

message: I have done some major cleanup to this article, as well as added some new source citations and added fact tags to statements which need sources but do not currently have them. I have also added sub-sections to make it easier to read, an organizational info box, and made other changes which affect the readability and neutrality of the article.
I should note that I have never been involved in Every Nation, Maranatha, or any of its subsidiary ministries, so my edits come as an third-party observer simply wanting to make this article better, and more NPOV. It does seem like there has been a lot of edit warring since this article was created, which may have contributed to the chaotic state it was in when I arrived.
One thing this article could really use is more sources, as there are so many statements which don't seem to be collaborated with a Reliable source. Also, a lot of the arguments on this talk page seem to be based around anecdotal evidence and personal experiences, which are not citable in an encyclopedic article such as this. Newspaper articles and other sources would be much more useful.
Well, those are my thoughts. Cheers. Xanthius 20:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Third-Party

message: The Main Author of this article on Maranatha Campus Ministries is a sick and twisted individual.  You sound like a little baby.  Crying, crying.  You omitted a great deal from the article when you write your "history", and did not have the guts to save any of the truths that were added, even though they were footnoted and credible.
You failed to mention any of the International Student Ministry that Marantha engaged in.  All you did was attack.  Maranatha was an international student ministry.  Are you going to mention that at all?  Probably not.  Bob was trying to get us to reach out to Internationals.  They were lonely and just wanted a friend.  Talk to them.  They loved Maranatha!
Maranatha didn't allow dating.  Boo hoo!  Grow up.  What's so great about today's mega-churches with their dating, multiple marriages, and the what not?  Nothing.
Maranatha didn't mandate tithing, and you know it.  Where are credible sources pertaining to this?
I know, I know.  Your saying to yourself.  "It's guys like you who ruin the Wikipedia experience."  Why? Because you can't rant and rave against Bob Weiner for a page and a half?  Poor Bob, he was just trying to help a lost generation.
I tried to clean up your biased article around a year ago, but you took out all of my edits.  I see you still have not submitted anything to Wikipedia that Maranatha's main ministry was to reach out to International Students.  Until you do, you are hypocrite.  Poor Bob and Rose.  They had guts.  They got us to look at everything in our lives, and face it head on.  Abortion, homosexuality, sleeping around, hatin gour parents, drinking booze, drugs.  What thanks do they get?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.138.111 (talk) 22:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sick and Twisted Individual 

message: Someone may want to link to the Facebook group named "Maranatha Ministries International, former members"(see MaranathaMinistriesReunion@groups.facebook.com).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthropologyman (talk • contribs) 03:28, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overall Proposed Improvements 

message: As Wikipedia has standards against bias and FOR a Neutral Point of View (NPOV), the community should monitor this page.  Many of the accusations posted appear to have no objective corroborating evidence.  I am in no way associated with Maranatha and never have been, just helping the community.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclingmanofthesouthwest (talk • contribs) 15:27, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Objective/No Unfounded Allegations 

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