Talk:Heroes (American TV series)/Archive 3

message: According to a number of news sources, George Takei will join Heroes as Hiro Nakamura's father.   This is very exciting news, in my opinion. Where shoud this infomation be put in the article? dposse 03:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Takei to star as Hiros father. 

message: There used to be a nice organized table that listed the characters, there powers, and a picture of them. What happened to it? Now the character section on the main heroes page is less organized and harder to read. Will some one please bring it back.
The table was moved to the List of characters in Heroes article.  The list that replaces it in this article is organized alphabetically and is written in prose. Primogen 01:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the table format made spoilers too obvious. If someone wanted to skip the spoilers, the table might draw in the eye too much. - Kevingarcia 02:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happend to the table 

message: Anyone know who the artist is behind the prophetic paintings? Sure looks familiar, but I can't place it. Is it Tim Sale? - Kevingarcia 02:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The artist behind the artist? 

message: The line "He is a child prodigy and a technopath, although so far he has only used his abilities to temporarily repair an out-of-order pay phone" was just removed as OR.  I don't think this is OR since we see him get a broken phone to work just by touching it.  Is there really any doubt that this was the result of a power?  How would "child prodigy" explain something that's physically impossible?  I also think the Claire info should include the term "spontaneous regeneration" since that term was used on the show.  --Milo H Minderbinder 22:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technopath 

message: Hello. I just added IMDb to the external links section. MatthewFenton correctly pointed out that an IMDB link already existed in the info box. I do understand the desire to reduce duplicate information, but this seems a case where having the same information in two places seems logical--even helpful. I'm fairly Wiki savvy by now (though still learning), so I used the TOC to go directly to the External Links section. It never even occured to me to look near the top of the article on the right side of the page for the link. It also seems a bit of a double standard, because the "offical site" is listed in both places. I'm not arguing with Matthew's decision (he probably knows this article's history, and I do not), but I would like to understand the thought process here. Thanks! --Willscrlt 12:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that Wikipedia:Wikiproject Television or Wikipedia:Wikiproject Films put forth the guideline not to list the IMDb in both the infobox and Enternal links.  You might fid an explantion for the rationale in the talk sections in one of those articles. Primogen 14:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Primogen. I figured that there was probably a policy or guideline somewhere. This was my first TV edit, and I did not know about the project guidelines. I'll be sure to read those before attempting any edits in the future. It's still my personal POV that IMDB is an important enough resource to be listed in both places, but obviously there is history and some policies I need to read. I might even change my POV after that "light reading". :-) Thanks for being kind and helpful! --Willscrlt 14:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Primogen was right (and I was, too, in a way). Wikipedia:Wikiproject Television#External links clearly states that both the official links and the IMDB links should be in the Info Box and not be repeated in the External Links section. So the official site link should be deleted in addition to the IMDB one that MatthewFenton already deleted. I will go make that change now. --Willscrlt 14:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMDb and Other External Links 

message: Currently, the line about Niki reads (emphasis mine): "Niki Sanders (Ali Larter) is a webcam stripper who lives in Las Vegas with an unrestrained alternate personality. When this other personality, a manifestation of Niki's dead sister, Jessica, takes over, she exhibits superhuman strength." It's speculation that it's a manifestation of Niki's dead sister. Yes, the Jessica persona seems to think that, but I don't think we've seen enough evidence to determine that "the real Jessica's" conciousness somehow got transferred to Niki. Stabbey 22:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right.  There's no evidence that Niki is possessed by Jessica, but I had a different interpretation of the word "manifestation" than you did.  Anyway, I addressed your concerns by changing it to "who identifies herself as being Niki's dead sister."  Primogen 22:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's better. Thanks. Stabbey 22:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Niki/Jessica 

message: Who in the hell removed my article. I like it back up please, now!74.195.3.11 22:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, "not a collection of unverifiable speculation." Until your statement becomes fact in the series, it has no place in an encyclopedia article.--NMajdan•talk 22:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: please remember WP:Civil when replying to other editors. Also, Wikipedia is NOT a forum, it is an encyclopedia. We require citation and sources. Thank you. ThuranX 01:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Verifiable sources. Saying "I kow people" gives us nothing. We're not "taking your word for it". End of story. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, nevertheless, this is an encyclopedic article about the show so it would still be best to wait until it actually happens before making any changes to the article.--NMajdan•talk 22:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Calm down. Can you prove any of the names you dropped actually made the same claims you are? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal 

message: Newcomer here. Got some interesting trivia that you may or may not have picked up. It relates to the first episode ("Genesis"), and occurs roughly in the 37th minute of the episode.
When Hiro and Ando walk into the bar to have a drink, two guys are singing karaoke on the stage to the Backstreet Boy's "I Want It That Way". This is a reference to a popular YouTube video ["i want it that way spoof"] that features two Asian men doing a spoof performance of the same song. The men in the bar in Heroes are dressed in the same orange basketball jerseys, and one has a white sweatband around his head.
Ghostridah za 08:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That piece of info can be found in the Genesis (Heroes) Article. EnsRedShirt 08:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, my bad. Thanks. Ghostridah za 09:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No Problem, by the way Welcome to Wikipedia..  EnsRedShirt 09:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional Trivia 

message: "Ted Sprague doesn't emit heat as a power any more than Hiro has super speed. Ted emits radiation which can cause heat as a by product." - JacobsHaven3
Ted Sprague DOES emit heat and ionizing radiation. Saying he emits microwave radiation is speculation. He has heated doorknobs, computer keyboards, burned photographs.  --Stabbey 18:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: EDIT: In fact, I'd go so far to say that he emits heat and radiation is the byproduct. --Stabbey 18:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  How? A microwave oven emits microwaves which excite water molecules and heat them. A fire doesn't cause radiation poisoning. If it was heat causing radiation poisoning, then his wife would have burned to death before being poisoned by radiation. Jacobshaven3 18:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: EDIT: Microwave radiation is still a type of radiation and was used as an example. Heat can't cause radiation, its caused by a transfer of energy, either by radiation, conduction and convection. Jacobshaven3 18:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, I know, but how much water is in a computer keyboard, photograph, or doorknob (three things definitely seen charred as if burned in his house)? He was certainly emitting ionizing radiation, but the available evidence suggests that the method he's using to create heat isn't microwave radiation, which I agree would have cooked his wife. He seems more able to control the heat then the radiation. In any case, "emit radiation and emit heat from his hands" is more accurate, just as "teleportation, time manipulation and time travel" is a more accurate description for Hiro's powers then "manipulate the space-time continuum". --Stabbey 18:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: EDIT: Just read the other talk page. If the producers say his power is "Induced Radioactivity", then I'll leave it as it is, but I'd like a source. --Stabbey 04:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Heat as a byproduct is what I meant. Ted doesn't control heat, thus it shouldn't be listed as his power. However, heat is a side effect of radiation, and therefore it can all be explained as radiation control. I don't understand why their powers need to be placed in more detail than necessary, if it's included he can control heat, it makes out to the non viewer that he can do both, not that one is the side effect of the other. Ricyteach's example: "emit radiation, thereby inducing heat, radiation poisoning, and other side effects of radioactivity". Is a very good description. Jacobshaven3 13:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I bow to the experts. I would add that Ted can produce heat through use of his power, I think that's a clarifying statement, not a redundant one. It's not an obvious connection for the average person. --Stabbey 14:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll weigh in on this too.  "Heat" is merely the evidence of thermal energy which has been converted from some other source.  It would be highly illogical to assume that Ted has separate heat powers when heat is a direct by-product of all forms of radiation.  Until we can see direct evidence of Ted using only the heat part of his abilities without any radioactivity occuring at the same time it would be speculation (and a counter to WP:OR) to say that he has powers of heat and radiation.  What you can say is that his power has been used to burn things, which will get the point across just fine. -- Y|yukichigai 23:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ted Sprague 

message: There's a new article called List of Heroes that's basically just another character list, which we already have a better version of.  I'm starting the deletion ball rolling with a proposed deletion. --Milo H Minderbinder 19:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge discussion started at Talk:List of characters in Heroes#Proposed merge. Input is appreciated. Kafziel Talk 20:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously.. You are kidding me? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The guy put a lot of work into creating that list, and it (technically) does contain info not found on the original list; pages shouldn't be made into redirects unless they are completely redundant. We can discuss it for a couple of days, and if consensus holds that it's not notable, I'll nominate it for AfD. Kafziel Talk 20:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly Why I redirected it.. so his efforts are not deleted and so that the content was still in the edit history. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? See WP:MERGE. If you want to make it into a redirect without discussion, you need to merge any of the info that's not redundant. It has nothing to do with edit histories, it has to do with article content. Kafziel Talk 20:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You might wish to read that to your self: "Merging is something any editor can do, and if you are sure that something should be merged, you can be bold and do so. If the merger is controversial, however, you may find your merger reverted, and as with all other edits, edit wars should be avoided." — If you wish to merge that content you are welcome to do so, I am actually busy doing something else however. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, merging is something any editor can do. Turning a page into a redirect without merging the content is not the same thing. I'm not convinced that the information in the new list is notable, so I'm not sure it should be merged. That's the purpose of the merge discussion, and that's why the merge tags should stay for a couple of days. By now you could have simply joined the discussion over there. Kafziel Talk 20:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Heroes]] 

message: * Genesis (Heroes)
* Collision (Heroes)
* Hiros
* Better Halves
* Nothing to Hide (Heroes)
* Fallout (Heroes)
Those six articles need the Narration by Mohinder Suresh either added or expanded. If anyone out there has the episodes recorded, please add the Narration beginning and ending to all six of those articles. thanks. dposse 20:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fallout didn't have any narration, surprisingly. I might still have Nothing to Hide recorded somewhere, I'll add anything missing when I get a chance. --Stabbey 21:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narration by Mohinder Suresh 

message: Guys, here is a list of all main characters and their appearances so far, so you can check my changes.
Claire 11 (All); Hiro 11 (All); Micah 10 (All except ep 8); Mr. Bennet 10 (All except ep 7); Niki 10 (All except ep 8); Peter 10 (All except ep 8); Isaac 9 (All except eps 7 and 10); Mohinder 9 (All except eps 7 and 10); Nathan 9 (All except eps 6 and 8); Matt 8 (All except eps 1, 6, 9); Eden 8 (All except eps 1, 5, 7); DL 6 (Eps 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11); Simone 6 (Eps 1-4, 7, 9); Haitian 6 (Eps 3, 4, 5, 9, 10, 11); Sylar 5 (Eps 3, 8, 9, 10, 11) Renenarciso 18:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a particular reason to list the number of appearances for each character? Do any other series list this information? SuperMachine 18:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - it's not necessary. Some of the lists of characters from The Sopranos (like this one and this one) actually list the title of every episode the various characters have been in, but the Sopranos lists have been completely out of hand for a long, long time. Kafziel Talk 18:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correcting number of appearances from various characters 

message: I have just removed (for the third time) a paragraph comparing Eden's powers to similar powers seen in Dune.  I was asked by Otto4711 to cite the guideline that prohibits this type of comparison.  Here is a quote from the Guide to Writing Better Articles: "The most readable articles contain a minimum of irrelevant (or only loosely relevant!) information."
Dune characters have some similarity here, that is true.  But the subject at hand is emphatically Eden McCain, and not anything else.  If we allow the Heroes articles to wander into these sorts of comparisons, they will soon become filled with other similarities to every comic book, movie, manga, etc that any editor feels has a passing resemblance to the subject at hand.  Therefore, I, and other editors, will continue to remove such comparisons. 209.103.222.35 20:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also like to add that it is a content policy violation for Wikipedians to be determining similarities themselves, as per Wikipedia:No Original Research.  Any analysis or arguments presenting a particular point-of-view, even if every editor happens to agree with the assessment, needs to come from a verifiable source. Primogen 20:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To expand and clarify a bit, this is exactly why it is acceptable for the Claire Bennet article to refer to the X-Men character Wolverine:  Hayden Panettiere compared her character to Wolverine in an interview with SuperHeroHype.com, so that comment is a verifiable source that's not original research.  Until or unless Eden McCain actress (Nora Zehetner) or one of the show's producers refers to her power as being Dune-like, such comparisons are out of place in a Wikipedia article.  --Psiphiorg 23:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I think the best way to resolve this is for someone to write a Voice Power article or section that both Eden and Dune can link to.  Primogen 20:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparing Heroes with other works 

message: Shouldn't  The Haitian powers be memoeries wipe and the power to cancel othe powers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.89.117 (talk) 23:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also see Talk:The Haitian#Interference of mental-based superpowers. dposse 18:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Haitian 

message: Would a link to NBC's page where you can see all the episodes be considered spam?  Each episode is divided into about six parts, and you have to watch an ad at the beginning of each. Prometheus-X303- 05:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it's a commercial link, so it could be, and it's also subject to re-editing, a la the sink incident. I'd say it might make sense to add it at the top of this page with a note that it's a resource for editors and should NOT be archived, but left there? That's the best compromise I can see, since putting it on the article page is almost certainly both advertising AND controversial due to the editing concerns. ThuranX 05:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam 

message: The article states he joined the cast in episode 5. However, by appearing in promotional stuff before the series even started, it's clear he was cast quite some time ago, but only first appeared in episode 5. This should be reflected in the article. ThuranX 21:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems almost confrontational, static and defensive to say "full(-)time" the way you do, Primo. No offense, but Simone certainly wouldn't count in that way. Could we use better wording to indicate their "main" status? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I derived "full-time" from the source cited for Jack Coleman's status upgrade (Variety: "joins the series full time in its 11th episode"), which is why I decided to use that term instead of "main", which I believe is terminology coming from Wikipedia editors.  (I don't know how NBC or the production company refers to these twelve cast members.)  However, I think of the term "full-time" not in relation to the number of episodes they appear in but rather how they are paid.  That is, rather than being hired episode by episode (like a part-time or temporary employee), I would think they are contracted by the season (a "full-time employee", if you will).  I would imagine that each of the "full-time" (or main, if you prefer) cast or guest/recurring character's amount of screentime or number of episode appearances is really dependent upon who the writers happen to feel about writing about for any particular episode. But I don't think using "main character" instead will help -- I've read lots of complaints on talk pages and in edit summaries about this or that character not being counted as a "main character" even though they get more screen-time than Simone. Primogen 23:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your last effort looks great. Thank you. ThuranX 23:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leonard roberts 

message: Today I created archive #9 for our main Heroes talk page.  Hurray for us working actively on the WP pages for a great show!  The top section of our talk page has a lot of info boxes, however.  (Sorry, not sure of the proper name for those boxes.)  Can any of the boxes be moved or removed? fmmarianicolon | Talk 23:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You could also use Werdnabot for archiving as well.--NMajdan•talk 17:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk Page cleanup 

message: According to a number of news sources, George Takei will join Heroes as Hiro Nakamura's father.   This is very exciting news, in my opinion. Where shoud this infomation be put in the article? dposse 03:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw this announcement a couple of days ago, and I thought that it was exciting news too, but I don't think it has a place in any of the articles yet.  He should appear in cast for the articles on the episodes in which he will be appearing, once that is determined. Primogen 03:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Takei to star as Hiros father. 

message: * Genesis (Heroes)
* Collision (Heroes)
* Hiros
* Better Halves
* Nothing to Hide (Heroes)
* Fallout (Heroes)
Those six articles need the Narration by Mohinder Suresh either added or expanded. If anyone out there has the episodes recorded, please add the Narration beginning and ending to all six of those articles. thanks. dposse 20:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fallout didn't have any narration, surprisingly. I might still have Nothing to Hide recorded somewhere, I'll add anything missing when I get a chance. --Stabbey 21:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got someone to transcribe narration for some of the episodes. You can get the missing narration for Genesis, Collision, Hiros and Better Halves" from The TVIV Wiki, since all you're taking is the direct quotes from the show. Of course, other information requires attribution. Technically I think the narration is by Mohinder Suresh, not the actor Sendhil Ramamurthy because Sendhil doesn't naturally have the accent Mohinder has, but it's a minor point. --Stabbey 19:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narration by Mohinder Suresh 

message: He is a technopath. What other power could repair a telephone? Nikki never said outright "I have super strength" but we know she does. Micah does not have to outright say his power for us to know what it is. It should be allowed to put that Micah is in fact a technopath 71.253.41.191 13:33, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We've discused this already. Until Micah or someone else says that Micahs power is only Technopathy and not something else, it is considered original research. The same goes for The Haitian. dposse 14:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Then if that is so, then you must not put Nikki's power there either, because "it might be something else" she may just be crazy and work out alot.71.253.41.191 20:01, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Insanity and human fitness wouldn't explain her breaking open a safe with her bare hands. Plus, she's kinda thin. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha. We actually have a source for Niki/Jessica.  But for now, we don't have a source for The Haitian or Micah Sanders. Until it becoes more clear in the series, or until we get a story like that one in the media, we have to wait. dposse 21:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

text: What happens if those two powers are never "officialy confirmed" and left to the audience to confirm it themselves? Is it also not allowed to put what an unconfirmed power is similiar to? 71.253.41.191 09:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see through the archives, this question's come up before. One good way to be sure is to wait for comfirmation. barring that, the media. Only third, by blatant repeated demonstration on the show, should we validate a power. For example, we knew Jessica was superstrong long ago, but couldn't add it. Now, with that EW report, we can clearly explain her powers. IF we saw a scene in which Micah interacted with machinery in a way wherein he got results so out of spec that there's no good explanation BUT technopathy, we could use it. if we could see him changing TV channels with a remote OR (gasp!)getting up to turn them manually, we'd have a clue. If we saw him using a computer without touching it, or touching it but NOT typing or clicking, that'd be a good clue. and so on. Given that Micah's been shown to be fairly UNafraid of his powers, I doubt it'll be much longer before we see him use them in a more overt manner. I recommend some patience. we've still got half a season to go. ThuranX 15:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: So can i delete this whole section then? 141.158.127.15 01:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if the pay phone was simply out of power, and Micah provided an electrical charge to power on the phone. Oh no, look at that! He's an electrokinetic! (Is that a word?) That revelation would totally debunk any speculation about Technopathy and prove us wrong if we put that into the article. Hm.. I'm starting to actually wonder if maybe his powers truly are electrically based. Static Shock, anyone? Check out Electrophoresis if you get an opportunity. ;) Anticrash / Talk 07:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If he charged it then we can put he either has electrokinetic power OR a technopathic power LordArthas 14:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: This section needs to be deleted, I am the person who started this talk page (yes I signed in) and now that Micah does have a confirmed power, this section needs to be deleted. Please to not revert it once removed.LordArthas 16:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sections of talk pages are periodically archived, but comments are rarely deleted unless they're vandalism. No harm is being done by leaving this section here until it's archived. Thanks,  SuperMachine 16:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  From what we know, Micah does have a confirmed power 

message: Should we do something about the Haitian's symbol? Like...move it to his article? It's only appeared a few times, only on two people. It can't be considered a "symbol of the series" like the RNA S. I was iffy about the placement here to be begin with, and now it just seems like some misplaced, largely irrelevant detail meant for another article. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  It makes sense that his symbols go on his page, just as Isaac's paintings go on his page.  Although I have a feeling that the symbols may not be due to the Haitain but to Mr. Bennet's organization in the end.  fmmarianicolon | Talk 01:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I oppose this. It seems silly to me, considering the multiple places we've seen it. It's much more of a symbol of the series then it is a symbol of the Haitian. I don't really need to list the dozen places it's shown up unassociated with the Haitian, do I?  --Stabbey 14:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're talking about t5he symbol on Matt and Ted's necks, not the RNA. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, I was confused. But if that symbol were to be moved, I think it would be just as at home on Mr. Bennet's page. There's nothing to indicate that the symbol is a result of anything the Haitian has done to Matt and Ted. --Stabbey 18:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Stabbey, the parallel marks could just as easily be marks from some kind of surgery from biological testing/experimentation performed by Bennet's team; it might not have anything to do with the effects of the Haitian. Anticrash / Talk 16:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever the case, I'm removing it from the article as irrelevant and reinstating the title "The symbol". Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haitian symbol 

message: It's fairly common to use the  template in infoboxes. That's why the template exists. What exactly is it harming? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 04:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It harms the readability of the template, over-emphasizing the location where none of the other items have, or should have, a flag. It harms navigability, in that anyone clicking on the flag is sent not to the appropriate article on the United States, but to an Image namespace page with a picture of the flag—because the purpose of images is generally to be images, not navigation tools, and there is no reason in this case why the flag would be needed for navigation. The commonality of a bad practice does not make it a good practice. Often, practices are common simply because someone looked around and saw a bunch of uses of it, saying "oh, it must be standard practice, I must put it in the infobox". Or, some flag aficionado goes around with a semi-automated tool and replaces all the infobox location items with flags. It also implies that the show is somehow specially related to the flag, when it just so happens that it was produced in the United States (and other things may have been done elsewhere anyway); it is unlikely the producers decided to produce it in the United States to work under the flag or declared the pledge of allegiance before filming every day. The main reasonable use of the template is for sports infoboxes, which is a genre where it is common to say that a person is representing a country and where the flag is often included. It is also useful in these and similar cases where the full name of the country should not be stated every time; the first use has the flag with the country and then subsequent uses have only the flag, e.g. to save space in a table. —Centrx→talk • 23:13, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no harm to the readability, and as it is a standard practice, I'd suggest that the Village Pump would be the place to discuss this, and not try to make a stand here on one article page. Bring it there, see if they reference you to a WP or an existing debate. As to whether or not the images should link to articles on the nation, it's flag, or simply it's image resource page, I definitely think that the VP is the place to bring your concerns. In the meantime, I recommend you let the flag stand, until such time as a citable policy is evinced oppsing the use thereof. ThuranX 23:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not standard practice (see, for example, anything in Wikipedia:Featured articles; such as Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, James Robert Baker, Make Way for Ducklings, Only Fools and Horses, Elliott Smith, etc., I clicked on about 40 persons, television shows, films, etc. and found only 1 that had flags (and which used them in a different way)) and there is no "citable policy" for including the flag. If you want though, see Wikipedia:Images#Image choice and placement and Wikipedia:Images#Pertinence and encyclopedicity, and disparate parts of Wikipedia:Manual of Style. —Centrx→talk • 02:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Like SigEp, I've seen it used elsewhere in Wikipedia, and sometimes on similar or related pages, suggesting that multiple editors have added the flags to clusters they work. I'd suggest bringing it up on the Talk for Images, as you linked. ThuranX 04:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So is there any reason why it should be included in this article? —Centrx→talk • 04:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any reason you can't wait and get some feedback from those who focus on image use? ThuranX 04:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag in infobox 

message: I have just finished going through every Heroes article I could find and tagging all the images with :Category:Heroes Images.  While doing this I noticed that most if not all of the images lack a description and more importantly lack fair use rational.  Because of this many of the images have already been tagged for deletion.  I'm fixing to head to bed so someone else is going to need to take aver from here but at least all the images are in one place now.  -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  12:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All images in [[:Category:Heroes Images]] need to be double checked 

message: Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. --Kbdank71 15:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CFD notice 

message: This press release for the debut of Heroes on New Zealand's TV3 quotes Tim Kring on being influenced by The Incredibles and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind when creating the show's idea.  I thought about adding this to the article, but I don't see where it would fit well.  Should the information be added or not?  If so, where should we add it? fmmarianicolon | Talk 19:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences on show premise 

message: I was reading clair's power definition on this article and I saw that it said that she had the power of spontaneous regeneration. Spontaneous is something that happens randomly regeneration is the restoring back of what previously was there.  These these terms do not explain clair's powers at all, she can't randomly heal, she is healed when she is hurt.  Can we change this to the power of accelerated healing.  12.218.84.165 07:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't make up the terms, GIPU. The show has referred to her powers as such. It's either that or "healing factor", honestly. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 08:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Spontaneous-
    1. Self generated; happening without any apparent external cause.
    2. Done by one's own free choice, or without planning.
    3. proceeding from natural feeling or native tendency without external constraint
    4. arising from a momentary impulse
    5. controlled and directed internally : self-active : spontaneous movement characteristic of living things
    6. produced without being planted or without human labor : indigenous
    7. not apparently contrived or manipulated : natural
    8. Random; sudden, without warning
Her power is self generated (1), without planning (2), arises from a momentary impulse (4), produced without human labor (5), not apparently manipulated (6), sudden, without warning (8).  Her power seems to satisfy 6 of the 8 definitions for spontaneous.  I would say her power could be called spontaneous.  PureSoldier 08:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Spontaneous" does not mean "randomly"; it means "instant," or without catalysis. PureSoldier has it right. Numbers 3 through 7 are the best fits. Basically, an instant natural reaction. Her healing factor activates instantly and is a natural occurence, therefore is spontaneous. Anticrash / Talk 10:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  uh Clair.... 

message: This might be a better question for the Help Desk, but since it applies to this article I wanted to ask here:  What is the guideline for how often to wikilink?  For example, in the "Characters" section Leonard and Jack's names are not wikilinked next to their characters because the wikilinks are in the intro paragraph.  However, Isaac is wikilinked twice in the same section ("Symbols").  Sylar is wikilinked in "Plot" and then later in "Symbols".  Is it OK to wikilink twice in different sections of the same page, or should a name only be wikilinked once in an article?  fmmarianicolon | Talk 17:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's definitely okay to link once in each section, if deemed necessary. Not every reads all of the article, and the order in which they go is relative. I'll make a few touch ups, though. I would say that it seems odd a person misses how text is repeated within lines of eachother, especially if it's wikilinked. I mean, I'd think there's something wrong with that person, or they just aren't paying attention. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikilink usage question 

message: Hi. Well there is a current problem with the fact that external links cannot be added. When will this change as this policy is not adopted for other TV shows so why this one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.44.163.54 (talk) 19:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the section above regarding the Heroes Wiki for the current discussion about this, thank you. ThuranX 21:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links - 09th January 2007 

message: .. was deleted via AfD (with no actual consensus for deletion) - I've started a DRV here. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 14:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What info about that epsiode is actually available and verifiable?  Do we even have a reliable source for the episode title?  --Milo H Minderbinder 15:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I have always been under the impression that this was just a rumored title for the episode that turned out to be "Nothing to Hide", and that listings that included the title were just keeping it around because they didn't realize the title was inaccurate.  I'd also like to know which official sources confirm this title as being accurate.  --ΨΦorg 16:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing to Lose 

message: I have been noticing lots of Heroes jokes and references in various US programs shown on Australian television lately. Should there be a == Heroes (TV Series)#Heroes in popular culture section, as other (granted longer running) tv shows have, and also has this already been discussed? The specific ref i saw that prompted me to post was on E!'s Daily Ten program, where Debbie Matenopoulos said in reference to Patrick Dempsey getting preventative marriage counselling, "Save the marriage, save the world" WookMuff 09:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure any of that if very notable. dposse 17:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Talk is cheap. Let's wait till there's more than news, talk shows, et cetera. Most popular culture sections/articles list overt references made in the form of visual parodies, homages and such. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I suppose. I always forget that "The Soup" is a talk type show WookMuff 09:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Heroes (TV Series)]] in popular culture (Too lazy to archive search) 

message: Under the links the official Heroes Myspace page is actually http://www.myspace.com/heroesofficial and not http://www.myspace.com/NBC_Heroes.NwrksBigBoss 20:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: Just wanted to say, unless we know Mr. Bennett's First name, then "Bennett" comes before "Bennett, Claire", Alphabetically speaking WookMuff 23:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetical Order 

message: There seems to be a lot of edits where people have changed the season of Sylar and Ando. They are constantly being reverted, and a small edit war has started. Can we do anything to stop this vandalism?   Wikirocks  07:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added some hidden text using  telling contributors to not move the "1" from the guest starring to starring field.  Semi-protection could be requested, which would cause the information to stop being changed, but I do not think that the IP's changing the information would learn why it was changed.  Looking at their contributions, it appears that they were only trying to help and are unlikely to visit the talk page or find out why their edits were reverted.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 08:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, that's good. I was thinking of doing that too (I really was) but was not sure how to do it. (  Wikirocks  09:08, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar and Ando