Talk:Post-left anarchy

message: Sorry for the formatting, this is my first time doing this stuff. The link to Jason McQuinns quotes open a website with links for erotic massages. What's up with that? 181.132.138.171 (talk) 04:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: As influential as he may be, there is more to post-left than Bob Black.  We need to expand the section with more than just a reference to "Anarchy after Leftism" to include some of the now popular articles.  Chuck should be up for this job, I just don't have the time right now. ~duanarchy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.251.227.229 (talk) 05:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I should work on this, when I have some time. Infoshop does have a page on this topic. Chuck0 (talk) 03:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The problem with the so-called critics of post-leftism is that they really don't understand the concept and project their dislike of certain anarchists onto the tendency. I consider myself to be a post-leftist anarchist AND a social anarchist. I have strong affinities for anarcho-communism, although I prefer to identify as an anarchist without adjectives. The critics of post-leftism want to dismiss it by inaccurately linking it to primitivism. This is why they've failed to engage post-leftism critically. Attacking a strawman all the time ends up giving you straw to build your arguments with. Chuck0 (talk) 04:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: articles

message: This page is still a huge mess. There is more on this page about stuff that isn't post-leftism than there is about post-leftism. If this entry was submitted to a teacher as a report on post-leftism, you'd not only get an "F" but would be kicked out of school. Come on people, at least do some reading and don't engage in "original" research like the paragraph on Crimethinc.
24.94.181.211 20:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: discussion of the article

message: The following sentence was recently added to this article:
:However, these views have been criticised as a revival of right wing currents of anarchism such as Stirnerite individualism.
Since when was Max Stirner a right-winger? Who has made this criticism and can anyone cite a source? If there is no source, we should remove the claim. If there is a source, we should clarify the criticism. - Nihila 23:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As no source has emerged, I've removed the claim in question. If anyone finds a reliable source, feel free to reinsert it w/ citation. - N1h1l 02:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Right Wing Currents? 

message: I guess I should put some work into improving this page, since it isn't much better than when I complained a year ago. Here is a list of improvements and a list of misconceptions about post-leftism. Chuck0 22:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As soon as we get some sources for this we can start including it, but Wikipedians personal opinions on what post-left anarchy is are irrelevant (except, in your case, if you publish them somewhere). That's how things work around here, and you're really not going to see much of an improvement a year from now until someone comes up with sources. Regards, Skomorokh 02:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This Needs Lots of Work

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:Anarchylogo.jpg

message: Hi, can somebody please edit the section to mention the dustup in summer of 2013 between Derrick Jensen, one of the leading primitivists, and most of the post-left anarchist movement? It started over trans-exclusion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.78.36.144 (talk) 02:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with anarcho-primitivism 

message: Would you please delete the following red-linked image and the associated caption: :File:Bey hakim.jpg. The file was deleted from Wikimedia Commons on 15 December 2012. Alternatively, the red-linked image could be replaced with :File:Hakim Bey, painted portrait DDC 3021.jpg. It would also be good to place a protected page template at the top of this page. Thanks! - tucoxn\talk 17:59, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I replaced the image rather than removing it. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:35, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit requests: removal of red-linked image & protected page template 

message: I went to clean up this article's overreliance on primary sources and behold, there wasn't anything left. WP has very strict circumstances for citing primary sources, mainly to prevent the type of original analysis/interpretation that fills this article (and is noted above on this talk page). What then is written about post-left anarchism in secondary sources? Not much, really. It's covered in some surveys of anarchism as an idea but not as something independently notable from other strands in contemporary anarchism. So that's how I've covered it: I've expanded the bullet point in contemporary anarchism#Post-left_anarchy from Marshall's Demanding the Impossible. There was another passage in Kinna's Bloomsbury/Continuum Companion (p. 260) but the more I read, the more it sounded like citogenesis from this very WP article. Given that nothing would be left if we pared down the primary sources, I think the best solution is to redirect to the extant, aforementioned section of contemporary anarchism and expand there in summary style, but open to discussion. czar 03:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't just unilaterally redirect an article like this without establishing any sort of consensus; that isn't how this wiki is supposed to work. There have been various discussions about post-left and individualist strains of anarchism outside of the primary sources of people advocating for it, and furthermore, your citation of the very strict circumstances, while correct inasmuch as it applies to original research, does not blanket apply to any use of primary sources, as per Wikipedia policy, primary sources are not always bad. If a paragraph or statment smacks of original research then this is an entirely different matter, and editorializing content can be pared down or edited as needed. In light of this I will be reverting the redirect until an actual consensus is established as to what should be done with this article. 80.195.184.144 (talk) 08:01, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Redirection is a fine substitute for a deletion discussion. If you disagree, revert, as you did. But if you think this needs additional discussion/consensus, what reliable, secondary sources are you offering as showing "post-left anarchy" as an independently notable idea? I've already explained my research above. An article topic's dependence on primary sources to explain its basic info is an indicator of coat racking. If enough unaffiliated sources were writing about the concept, the primary sources would only be needed for sparse, fill-in detail, not its crux. czar 23:59, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi, asking one more time if you or anyone else has reliable, secondary sources are you offering as showing "post-left anarchy" as an independently notable idea. Otherwise contemporary anarchism#Post-left_anarchy already exists as sourced coverage of this topic. czar 20:14, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope 

message: Why is Feral Faun, aka Wolfi Landstreicher, considered an authority on Post-left Anarchy's relationship [to Anarcho-syndicalism]? His quotation in this article is taken from a collection of otherwise obscure and unreferenced zine essays from the 1980s. This author never cites a source himself in any of his work. To illustrate his irrelevance: Feral Faun also wrote "Child Molestation vs. Child Love". 
This section of the Post-left anarchy article was intended for a short description of Post-Left's relationship to Anarchy-syndicalism.
Instead, we are supplied a factless strawman argument authored by a pedophilia apologist. Authoring a wiki entry for Wolfi Landstreicher could help objectively illustrate the nature of his bibliography, but he may not be historically or culturally significant enough to justify an article entry in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines.
To replace Feral Faun's quote entirely will offer the potential for something more illustrative and educational. The current strawman does not actually address any tenets of Anarcho-Syndacalism other than the existence of factories, nor does it provide much benefit or consideration for the Post-Left in comparison. I don't care if its a stance of  opposition against syndicalism, but I do not think this random anonymous zine author from the 1980s should be cited on a wiki pedestal. Does he have a larger following that I know?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonewater (talk • contribs) 22:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: He is as I understand one of the theorists of post-left critique. W1tchkr4ft 00 (talk) 12:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Feral Faun? on anarcho-syndicalism 

message: This article is a huge mess and i don't even know where to start. Is this article covering things not already covered in other articles? W1tchkr4ft 00 (talk) 12:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Mess. Deletion? Redirection?