Talk:IPod/Archive 2

message: Please Please Help! I want my music back! 
I would really appreciate help on this, and I'll do what I can to repay you if your advice helps.
A friend borrowed my iPod (video), and it somehow crashed. Now it doesn't show up my songs any more, and even in the settings menu, it says I have zero songs.
However if I plug it into my computer and check the Ipod_Control folder there are still many song files there (in e.g. F21 folders and named e.g. YXCG.mp3). How do I get it so I can play them on my iPod? I spent ages giving all my songs ratings and putting them into playlists, so is there a way I can get that back as well? I figure it might have something to do with importing a song list or whatever stored on my ipod.
So to clarify, I can look at the music files by browsing through the iPod as a hard drive, but when I want to listen to music on my iPod it isn't there.
Please mail me <email removed, it'll get spammed if you put it here, sorry>
Cheers
P.S. I know I shouldn't place this right here, but I really am frustrated and desperate for help... :-(
:Try resetting your iPod (hold Center and Menu for 6 seconds). Or completely wipe it and re-sync all songs from scratch. IE 09:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Urgent Problem

message: What programs are good for extracting music from you ipod? It should be in the article.
:ephPod
Another Free, easy to use and small program to both play back music directly from your iPod as well as extracting ANY media from an iPod (audio AND video) is PodPlayer ZyphBear 14:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Extracting music

message: Okay, who keeps deleting my brief description of the iPod minis' frequent pausing problem?  I had a major problem with this when I had my iPod mini and I'd really like to share this with everybody.
: It's me. Because it's not regarded as common and only applies to the mini which is discontinued. You say that the headphone contacts are "substandard", but according to who? It's best if you have sources. Consider adding it as a brief sentence to the iPod mini article. And sign your discussion comments please. IE 08:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Frequent Pausing bit under Common Critcisms

message: About the recent addition.  Are there any sources on this aside from forum posting?  Does anyone know if it is all timezones that involve the addition of a half hour?  For example is French Polynesia affected as well?  AlistairMcMillan 21:16, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Timezone issue

message: I've deduced all of the missing timezones from the relevant list on Wikipedia:
Marquesas Islands (-930), Newfoundland (-330), Iran (+330), Afghanistan (+430), India (+530), Nepal (+545), Myanmar/Cocos (+630), Caiguna–Eucla–Border Village (+845), South Australia (+930), Lord Howe Island (+1030), Norfolk Island(+1130), Chatham Islands (+1245).
So the iPod is actually missing twelve timezones, one of them being used by over 1 billion people in India.  --205.251.166.208 18:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing

message: Just by sitting where i am and looking around at my english class of 19 people, 12 of those people have ipods. Now what i want to know is if theres a ratio between those who own one and those who don't. Just a question, but should be included if anyone knows the answer.
-user: Thrawst
:No offense, but that is a very... Hmm... What's the word? Oh yeah, senseless thing to know. Just go by the amount sold. But if you must know, it's around .5% of the world's population. --ZeromaruTC 18:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (42/6,500)*100 = 0.646% = one every 155 people. Pretty impressive :) Mushroom 18:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's your number source?  How do you know how many people have more than one?  I agree with Zeromaru though that it's a pretty pointless statistic.  Stubblyhead 22:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My number source is the article itself: 42 million iPods sold, and there are about 6.5 billion people on Earth. I agree that it's pointless (and probably a lot of people have more than one), but it's factually correct. Mushroom (Talk) 09:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  People who own and those who do not ratio 

message: I've heard rumours of a 6Gb Nano being envisaged - can anyone shed any light on this? -- ChrisO 22:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about that, but I do know that the logic board for the Nano currently has a 8GB capacity (2 chip slots, and the chips come in a max of 4GB).  Someone recently bought 2 4GB units, noticed that the logic board on each was only using one chip slot of the two, and he de-soldered the chip from one unit and re-soldered it into the open chip port on the other unit.  Instant 8GB Nano.  (EmiOfBrie 13:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  6Gb Nano? 

message: I was looking at the main menu options (in settings) and it says photo import. This is a 4th generation (not photo or color) ipod. So why does it say photo import? Is it possible to put photos on it? Euphopolus 8:52, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This menu option was added after Apple and Belkin introduced the media reader that is attached to the iPod's dock. It is also available for 3G iPods, and is an accessory that was introduced to store photos on it before the iPod became capable of doing it itself. Ramallite (talk) 05:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo Import (4th Gen)

message: Shouldn't we write something about how it is never referred to by Apple as "the iPod" but simply as "iPod?"  I think it's pretty important.  --daunrealist 01:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pod as in storage, I'd guess --Ned Scott 02:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Pod: "a usually protective container or housing" (Merriam-Webster). — Walloon 06:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll write something on how it is never refered to as "The iPod".  I'll have to find an example website, though. --Newguineafan 22:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nevermind, I can see that someone already did this. --Newguineafan 22:44, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever it may be, I think we had it before, but we should have it in black and  (look in source for word to the left)     that they exclude the "the." Idk. --daunrealist 22:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming? 

message: I understand that the "official" spelling is iPod, but like any word which is not ordinarily capitalized, it should be capitalized when it begins a sentence. I don't believe that there are any style authorities that would agree with making "iPod" an exception to this universal rule of English mechanics. Nohat 09:03, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you figure? Don't proper nouns get to violate the rule?Gateman1997 09:14, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No style authority I have ever encountered permits anything other than capital letters at the beginning of sentences. Most don't even allow numerals to begin sentences. The reason for this is clear—sentence breaks are an important cue when scanning text, and sentences that don't begin with capital letters are harder to find. While companies are free to flout the norms of written English in their marketing materials, Wikipedia adheres the norms of English usage, not trendy marketing-inspired typographical whims. If you wish to revert to the sentences with initial "i", I suggest you cite a reputable style authority that sanctions that usage. Nohat 09:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I checked Wikipedia's own Capitalization definition and it says nothing on the subject one way or the other except to mention that proper nouns don't have to be capitalized at the beginning of sentences in Dutch.Gateman1997 09:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest that if people are averse to sentence-initial "IPod" and "ITunes", then rather than break the rule, the sentences should be recast so more ordinary words appear first in the sentence. Nohat 09:38, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: No, it's not "clearly the case" in the iPod article. You might like to think Wikipedia has no rules, but you would do well to remember that English does, and if you don't follow them, people will edit your writing so that it, at least, does. Just as we don't use lower-case "de Gaulle" to start a sentence in English, we don't use lower-case "iPod". If it bothers you, put a "The" in front of "iPod" if you like. - Nunh-huh 03:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These are names of things, the proper identity of these things. It's a popular naming style for lots of products and services and other things.  And this naming style has occurred long after someone made those rules for english.  I honestly would not be surprised to see it become "official" that a lowercase i or e followed by an uppercase letter become acceptable, since it's becoming so widespread.    This isn't school, this is real-life, where things don't always fit the way someone years ago planned them to.  Which is exactly why Wikipedia has guidelines and not rules.  Wikipedia is meant to be able to move with the times.  The exception we are asking for is consistent, logical, and has structure to it.  We're not saying "hey, at any given time lets make it so capital letters don't matter, at random".  If you get so wrapped up into these retarded technicalities then you're missing the whole point of language itself. --Ned Scott 03:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: (Hmm.. he/she's not saying that "The iPod" is the correct name, just that it a "the" should go before it to save answering the question of whether it should be "iPod" or "IPod". Willkm 03:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The thought that companies can dictate the orthography of their products is a non-starter for copyeditors. Best adjust. - Nunh-huh 04:09, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's keep any further discussion to the manual of style section specifically about this issue. Willkm 04:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also a straw poll there, please vote if you're interested. Mushroom (Talk) 05:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. - Nunh-huh 05:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Darn those technical restrictons. Crazy Eddy 15:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: I promise that the first thing I will do when I get my black video iPod in a few weeks is take a picture of it and upload it here. I like them better than the white ones :P — Ilyanep (Talk) 15:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe not (the picture is very well taken), but I can put it into the section about the 5G iPods and remove the promotional picture that's made by apple digitally. — Ilyanep (Talk) 03:00, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  5G iPod 

message: I nominated this page after immediately noticing some material (especially in the opening paragraph of the article) which may not conform to the NPOV rules (eg.  "excellent sound quality"). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.71.53.25 (talk • contribs) .
: I've removed the sentence you were objecting to.  AlistairMcMillan 21:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let's not rush to the lowest unargued demoninator: consider the handheld music devices which "average people" will have used - FM radio, Sony Walkman, personal CD player, etc.  MP3 players may be no match for a home Hi-Fi system, but they (in general, not just iPod) beat most of what came before... Ojw 21:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV ? 

message: The top image shows an iPod in German to demonstrate that its interface is multi-lingual, but considering that this is the English Wikipedia site, shouldn't the first image the reader sees be in English?  I think in a later section its multi-lingual capabilities could be explained. MrC 03:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing that the image was chosen because it was up to date, displays the contents included with the newest iPod, and showcases : how universal the iPod is. It isn't simply a North American phenomena. --Thinspirit 15:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: This is the English Wikipedia site, yeah, and thats why the article is in English. The image is up-to-date, nicly taken, and shows how international the iPod is. I think its a great photo to feature at the top of the article. (( Kigoe 22:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Image in German 

message: Under the heading 2nd Generation it says and I quote,
"iPod replaced the mechanical scroll wheel of the original with a touch-sensitive, nonmechanical one" 
however the photo with the caption "2nd gen" shows an ipod with a mechanical clickwheel. Either this is a photo of a 1st gen , or the description of the 2nd gen ipod is incorrect. I tried a Google search to clear this matter up but couldn't find any clarification, somebody else needs to do the detective work.
cheers
:They are two different pictures and here's how you tell. First off the difference b/t 1G and 2G is the wheel, they look essentially the same. If you look at the 2G picture, you'll see the select (center) button is raised above the touch-wheel. The raised nature of the button is because the non-mechanical/touch wheel is slightly sunk because there's no spinning mechanism beneath it. Looking at the 1G picture (which comes directly from Apple), the select (center) button isn't raised, but is even with the mechanical wheel, due to the mechanism necessary to spin it. Can ya see it?CritCol 02:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd Gen 

message: What do the letters of ipod stand for? --Joel M. 15:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They don't: it's not an acronym. Markyour words 15:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean that it doesn't stand for anything? How did they come up with the name? --Joel M. 18:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They consulted their branding department and had them come up with a name that represented the product. Same way that most product names arise. Zetawoof 18:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "i" in the name denotes that the products are primarily internet based- it began with the naming of the iMac.  A pod is a storage device.  The original intent was to market on the music but push the back-up hard-drive side, so now it's a music device by most advertising.  The photo and video abilities are something that they could have done a while ago with software tweeks; it's an attempt to get back to the multi-media storage capabilities. --TKE  04:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Darn... And all this time I thought it was Internet Portable (Something) Device --Joel M. 20:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a bad conjecture.  You don't need the Something...just i(nternet)PO(rtable)D(evice).  Still, not worth speculation in the article since Apple hasn't commented.  But I think you may be right. --TKE 01:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I disagree. It definately isn't an acronym. Nice imagination with the internet Portable what-have-you, but iPod is simply that: iPod. The "i" is a trademarked brandname that Apple uses with its products, originating in the iMac, where it represented "internet." However, this letter carried over into other Apple products, including the iPod, and is now the "i" helps consumers recognise the iPod, iMac, iSight, etc. as an Apple-made product. The "Pod" simply represents the fact that the iPod stores data. Demosthenes 1 01:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would the iPod stand for Internet something? It doesn't have internet access that I know of.  The idea of a 'pod' is a shell that encompasses something. The iPod will hold ALL your music.--Dvigour 21:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this discussion should be incorporated into the Name section of the page; I'll try to do it tomorrow, but feel free to beat me to it.  --ScottAlanHill 03:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't. Unless you have a credible source that explains how Apple came up with the iPod name.  All we have here is speculation.  See Wikipedia:Verifiability.  AlistairMcMillan 19:31, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally predict that Apple will do something such as "Putting the 'i' back in iPod" by adding a wireless function. I predict that the first step will be wireless access to the music store (which will then carry downloadable iPod games) followed by a second generation which will have web-surfing capabilities. They could throw in a twist and make it be part of a .Mac account and only .Mac people could get web access...... just my predictions for the future. we shall see... Zooobala 01:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ipod acronym 

message: I think the article could be a little more explicit or straightforward (only because I was looking for this information) as to which iPods support file transfers, not just charging, through either FW or USB--or more technically, which iPods have Firewire and/or USB controller chips inside.  I don't know how this relates to which iPods can charge through what (except that it's not always the same, since the 3G can sync but not charge through USB for example).  I know this information is already there, but it's hidden near the bottom of each generation's subsection, and it's not always clear in the article what was supported: the 3G section, for example, doesn't say anything about Firewire support, only that USB was introduced, and the 4G section doesn't say anything about either.  Maybe the idea is that the reader is supposed to assume previous technologies were carried over unless otherwise stated, but that isn't very useful if one is looking for the info pertaining to a specific generation. Faceless007 10:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Firewire & USB support across generations 

message: Does anyone know whats the proper way to clean an iPod?
Blonde2max 19:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: iPod Hygiene

message: There is hardly a mention about the iPod Hi-Fi Stereo, which Apple considers a part of its ipod line.  I included a link to it before the contents box, as well as another short line, but there should be a short paragraoh to go with the photo buried in the article.
Thanks, Theonlyedge 03:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod Hi-Fi 

message: I'm just curious if anyone knows full details about the warrenty for an ipod.  I've run into several people who say that getting the warrenty on an ipod is worthless and that the people who sell these are lying to the public.  I think it goes along with the battery life issue. BigMar992 04:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: People who say it's worthless are the people who damage their iPods by dropping it or some other user-caused damage. The warranties (especially Apple's own AppleCare warranties) ensure against component failure, including batteries. Most warranties don't cover user-caused damage, such as dropping, spilling, running-over, or other acts. CritCol 01:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warranty or none? 

message: Under Harry Potter Collector's iPod, it says: 
"The only way of purchasing the new Harry Potter Collector's iPod is by visiting [13]."
where [13] is a link to the Apple Store. I've changed it to read
"The only way of purchasing the new Harry Potter Collector's iPod is by visiting The Apple Store."
with the external link sign, but I'm not positive that this is the correct way to go. Thoughts?
: Sounds good to me. Zetawoof(ζ) 00:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link not very desciptive 

message: Please do not add commercial links (or links to your own private websites) to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. See the welcome page to learn more. Thanks. AlistairMcMillan 21:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am very surprised and puzzled by this comment. Firstly, I have added no links to my own private website (I do not own or control Lindos Electronics). Secondly, Wikipedia is full of external links to company sites, often of poor quality. Lindos is a very high profile company in the area of audio measurements, and the articles on its site are very pertinent to many Wikipedia topics. The test sheet database is a novel public resource, built by users, rather like Wikipedia, and hence of great interest to those reading audio topics. My personal interest has always been in improving the understanding of audio quality and measurement, and that is my role now, through my own business Lindos Developments, which does not sell anything but has income from IP rights. And then - isn't this topic, on IPod, rather than digital music players pure advertising for one manufacturer. On this basis Lindos (and every other company with some claim to faim) could put up a page for each of its products. Don't tell me it's an icon, as I think that could be debated in relation to many products! --Lindosland 11:08, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  from Wikipedia:external links - What should be linked to:
# Sites that contain neutral and accurate material not already in the article. Ideally this content should be integrated into the Wikipedia article, then the link would remain as a reference, but in some cases this is not possible for copyright reasons or because the site has a level of detail which is inappropriate for the Wikipedia article.
# Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as textbooks or reviews.
The Lindos links are to reviews, which I think it better to link to than include on the page, as they are detailed. --Lindosland 11:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lindos links 

message: After modifying the first image of the article, I was told it was copyrighted and couldn't be added in the article and the usual yada yada yada I'm used to. But what's the problem, I say? There are other copyrighted images in this article, some of them were even taken from the official Apple website (like I did). What's the difference? This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ipod_5th_Generation_white.jpg ) image is inadequate, in my opinion: it looks way too amateurish. MoLo 19:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyrighted images issue

message: I think this article needs to comment on the hearing damage caused (or allegedly caused) by irresponsible iPod use, focussing on the danger of earbud headphones. In France, iPod volume has to be limited to 100 decibels – the same level as a snowmobile. Escheffel 23:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you serious?  I knew France was a Nanny State but come on --Mboverload 23:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

text: An early iPod patch limited the output level to 100dB on all european models, due to an EU law. However, there is also a high-profile case in the US where a user has started a class action against Apple for damage to his hearing through loud iPod use. My own view is that this is a typical case of someone unable to take responsibility for his own actions (after all, the iPod has a volume control) and is casting around for someone to blame. Unfortunately it's a disease the Americans seem to be successfully exporting. Anyway, perhaps it might be mentioned in the article, though there's no way I could do it in an NPOV way, the whole situation makes me see red. Graham 02:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The rules the US used to rule by.  I'm sick and tired of 3 pages of stupid warnings in a fricken blender manual.  Stuff like that is why I usually don't even read them.  They treat you like a complete dumbass, then don't explain/expand enough on important subjects. http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/37/messages/354.html
Anyway, having a warning message when the iPod first starts up from the box....that'd be ok.  But things like where you have to accept a legal agreement EVERYTIME you start your car (yes, I'm serious.  Some NAV systems make you do that) are just over the top. --Mboverload 05:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hearing damage 

message: Anyone else here think this should get a mention? I know it's hard to differentiate the fakes from the real news, but there is an increasing likelihood of the click wheel being replaced by a larger touch sensitive screen with a touch wheel built in. Even if all the rumours/photos/video clips out there are fake, the fact that this has attracted so much speculation and interest, is encyclopaedia-worthy in itself. It's also a shame there is nowhere on the web that attempts to collect all the information out there and distinguish the real from the rubbish. Anyone agree/disagree? 86.134.45.56 10:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we wait until Apple release the next version of the iPod.  Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. AlistairMcMillan 17:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. We should wait until there IS a Sixth Generation to record it. I've heard it's coming out sometime between May and July, though...rumors, rumors. Demosthenes 1 01:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, I'll go along with that. I'm just impatient that's all. Oh well. Luckily I don't have to wait ages for Microsoft Office 2007, Windows Vista, or the PlayStation 3. Oh no... wait... 86.134.45.56 03:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod Sixth Generation 

message: There is a lot of speculation about the next video iPod .  I think it might be proper to add a two-or-three sentence blurb, either under the fifth-generation iPod section or as a new subheading, describing the speculation and how Apple really has to keep coming up with new innovations because of the sudden increase in competition.  I'll add it if there aren't objections.  Thanks, Theonlyedge 02:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *The "new video iPod" rumor appears to have been started by a single image of an iPod-like device with a screen covering its entire surface. A video later turned up online which demonstrated how that image was created in Photoshop. Nevertheless, the rumor seems to have persisted. Any treatment of the "6G video ipod" in this article should mention that there's been no announcement from Apple regarding it, nor any reputable source (Think Secret doesn't count) with reliable information. Zetawoof(ζ) 03:56, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sixth Generation 

message: I was doing some tidying on the Patent section, and moved a couple of the "External Links" of patents to "References".  Since I was adding references anyway, I decided to convert all the oldstyle  template references to the new "" style (using this utility.  Hopefully this won't be too controversial, since the existing refs format is deprecated, I believe.  There were some dead reference links in the previous section - I'll look at those and see if they should be re-incorporated.  If anyone feels a strong need to undo this, perhaps it could be discussed here first, since a simple reversion to restore the old ref formatting will also lose the changes to the Patent section.
Also, this article seems to be quite large.  I haven't taken a comprehensive look through this Talk page or the change logs, but is there some scope for moving some of this to other pages?  For instance, there is a separate iPod mini page, but this page still has three paragraphs of information including details such as the fact that the 2G mini didn't include the AC adapter.  If some of this could be moved to the "mini", "nano", etc. pages, a compact summary could be left in this page.    David Oberst 22:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts on organisation: this page doesn't seem to know whether it's for the whole iPod family or just for the ones actually called 'iPod' (generations 1 to 5).  I think we should really separate off the detailed information for each generation to separate articles, remove (as you suggest) the detailed info for the devices which already have their own pages, and with what remains focus less on the technical details of each generation to look at the broader picture. HenryFlower 22:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference conversion, page size 

message: The following text (from User:Theonlyedge was removed from the article:
===Future Models===
Although the iPod lineup is relatively new, there has been widespread speculation that Apple is preparing to release a new full-sized model.  While originally novel and unique, the iPod is now facing intense competition from the likes of Sandisk, Dell, Creative Technology, and iRiver.  Because of this, market analysts and technology websites believe Apple will have to release a new video iPod earlier than expected.  Some predict that the new iPod will have a widescreen LCD that encompasses the entire front, likely with an embedded clickwhell.  However, these guesses have repeatedly been denied by the company, and so far, all speculative photos have been proven false.
I did the revert mainly because it had erased some extensive rewrites of the "Patent" section I had just made, but the issue probably deserves some comments itself.  Aside from whether future model speculation is needed or not, the proposed paragraph could be be greatly improved.   David Oberst 22:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps this paragraph could be improved or simplified, but in principal, it should be added to the article.  It is very important, for such an enormous article, to at least have a brief paragraph on the future of the iPod.  While it is speculative, it is important to show how Apple has to react to new competition, and what analysts think the next iPod will look like.  I'm pretty new to Wikipedia, so I don't know if this goes to a vote or what, but the 'Future Models' section should definetely be added.  Thanks, Theonlyedge 23:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:VERIFY. Thanks.  AlistairMcMillan 23:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  Nope.  Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.  AlistairMcMillan 19:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  There's a difference, though. All of those articles discuss things which we know will be happening, or are at least definitely planned. A touch-screen iPod is purely speculation right now. Zetawoof(ζ) 03:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Models discussion 

message: Although the iPod lineup is relatively new, there has been widespread speculation that Apple is preparing to release a new full-sized model.  While originally novel and unique, the iPod is now facing intense competition from the likes of Sandisk, Dell, Creative Technology, and iRiver.  Because of this, market analysts and technology websites believe Apple will have to release a new video iPod earlier than expected.  Some predict that the new iPod will have a widescreen LCD that encompasses the entire front, likely with an embedded clickwhell.  However, these guesses have repeatedly been denied by the company, and so far, all speculative photos have been proven false.
I did the revert mainly because it had erased some extensive rewrites of the "Patent" section I had just made, but the issue probably deserves some comments itself.  Aside from whether future model speculation is needed or not, the proposed paragraph could be be greatly improved.   David Oberst 22:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps this paragraph could be improved or simplified, but in principal, it should be added to the article.  It is very important, for such an enormous article, to at least have a brief paragraph on the future of the iPod.  While it is speculative, it is important to show how Apple has to react to new competition, and what analysts think the next iPod will look like.  I'm pretty new to Wikipedia, so I don't know if this goes to a vote or what, but the 'Future Models' section should definetely be added.  Thanks, Theonlyedge 23:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:VERIFY. Thanks.  AlistairMcMillan 23:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  Nope.  Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.  AlistairMcMillan 19:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  There's a difference, though. All of those articles discuss things which we know will be happening, or are at least definitely planned. A touch-screen iPod is purely speculation right now. Zetawoof(ζ) 03:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Future Models

message: An anon editor added that Hon Hai manufactures the iPod in China.   I can find sources that say they are "one of the largest contract manufacturers of the iPod" , that "Inventec and Hon Hai make the iPod on an OEM basis for Apple." , while another says that "Foxconn Electronics (the registered trade name of Hon Hai Precision Industry) is the contract manufacturer for Apple’s newly launched Mac mini computers, while Asustek Computer is making the iPod shuffle for the vendor" 
Does someone have a reliable and reputable source? AlistairMcMillan 05:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hon Hai 

message: In order to not be unclear of the article's name due to technical restrictions, we could move it to "Apple iPod".  Just a thought.  Nicholasink 02:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:IPod/Archive1#Requested_move AlistairMcMillan 02:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming Suggestion 

message: The first lines say it has a simple user interface, who is to judge if it simple? Some may find it very difficult to others, I suggest it be completely removed or re-written.--Andeee 05:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias first lines! 

message: I saw the edit that explais how the Apple AV cable takes into account a switch in the Right Audio and Composite Video jacks...how can Apple do this without compromising Stereo output with convantional headphones?  Does the iPod internally swap the Right and Video signals only when it detects video being played, or do connections to conventional headphones result in only mono playback (in other words, is the swap full-time)?  This is something I haven't really paid attention to, to be honest. -EmiOfBrie 00:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Apple AV cable

message: In early 2003 there were 4 limited edition iPods for $50 over the normal retail price in each 5, 10, 20 gig capacity iPod...  This should be added to the article.  PaulC/T+ 01:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing special edition models (Beck, Tony Hawk, Madonna, No Doubt) 

message: I suggest that the "Models" section be broken out into its own main article to reduce article size. This will allow the main article to retain an easier to read over-view of the main topic. It should be simple enough to copy and paste this section into its own article. --  20:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion: create "IPod Models" article 

message: Maybe I missed the area where it is detailed, but haven't there been several lawsuits against the IPod?  I know of at least one dealing with Creative.  Any others?  And if I did miss this section, it should probably be made bolder by giving it a header - "Legal Issues" or something such. (moved to bottom of Talk page, sorry.)
:There was, an anonymous user deleted it yesterday. I've restored the "Patents and patent disputes" section. --Canley 07:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lawsuits

message: In case anyone wanted to start a historic tech specs section, the original old tech specs pages from apple can be reached via the webarchive under http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html  
84.191.9.90 23:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tech Specs History

message: A user mentioned that iPods came with cases up through the 3rd Generation, does anyone else have proof of this and what they may have looked like? I have always seen that no such case was provided by Apple, and Nano/5th Gen was the first to contain any form of protection. He was quoted as saying in his edit summary: "iPods up to at least third gen used to include cases." I do not ever recall seeing this mentioned on Apple's website or any other site. (which would also exibit why cases had become one of the biggest accessory sellers for the iPod, since one was not provided before.) Any information would be most useful. Thanks. ZyphBear 01:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This review mentions the case and includes pictures.  AlistairMcMillan 18:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know the 1st gen iPod didn't come with a case. At least, mine didn't. Which model did The Gadgeteer review? Zetawoof(ζ) 19:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think there is a clue at the start of the third paragraph.  And come to think of it, I don't think my first gen had a case either.  My third gen does though.  I still use it all the time. AlistairMcMillan 22:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The cases started with the 2nd generation.  They ended when Apple removed all the accessories from the revised 4th generation when they lowered the prices.PaulC/T+ 00:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Included Cases

message: What would you like to see in the next generation of iPods? MarioV 00:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Only add information about the next iPod if it can be verified with good reliable sources. However any speculation without citation can be removed. — Wackymacs 20:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That rumor was debunked when the creator of the image posted a video of him creating it in Photoshop. Zetawoof(ζ) 05:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next generation 

message: I read the article, noticed a lot of problems, and tried restructuring it.
It looks good so far (as you can see, I moved all the 5th gens under 5th gen, all the 4th gens under 4th gen, and removed the unneeded second note about the Harry Potter iPod. 
However, there's a problem: it's treating the 5th gen like a subsection of the Mini, however, what it should be is mini remains a sub of iPod, while 5th gen becomes a supersubsection, being under iPod while being above shuffle and nano. Shuffle was moved because, as it is still sold, it is a fifth gen iPod.
72.194.95.52 22:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Restructure of Article

message: The TOC is horribly large - some sections should be merged together or taken out into another article.  violet/riga (t) 10:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOC 

message: Shouldn't the section on the 5th generation ipod be section 6.2.5 and not listed under ipod mini?--GeneralDuke 15:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article organization 

message: From the lead:
Apple's widespread marketing campaigns have led to the iPod's reputation as an easy-to-use, stylish device and dominance among the MP3 market (to the extent that some people erroneously refer to all MP3 players as "iPods"); this has led to a large market dedicated specifically to iPod accessories. 
Wow, what happened here?  Real POV problems here.  This sentence not only suggests that the iPod's dominance is due to marketing campaigns (rather, than say, being a good product) but that the iPod's reputation of being easy-to-use and stylish is a marketing ploy.  This ought to be changed.  I'm not sure how (since I don't know how the editing history behind this), but certainly we should remove the implication that marketing is the primary cause.  Now certainly Apple is very clever about advertising and hyping their products; however, whenever I've seen the iPod reviewed (pcmag, ars technica, stereophile, etc.), the review is generally very positive and mentions ease-of-use and attractiveness/form factor.  I think it's fair to say that a good deal many people are of the opinion that the iPod is stylish, independent of the marketing, and that it is in fact easier to use than other MP3 players.  --C S (Talk) 18:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the edit that added that paragraph.   I'm inclined to just pull it.  I don't think we lose anything by not having it.  AlistairMcMillan 18:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already fixed it. — Wackymacs 18:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with lead section 

message: According to the caption it's a white iPod, but it looks more like dark grey to me.
Maybe you'll like this version better, or maybe not. Your choice. Bye, Shinobu 07:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In real life, nothing is pure white, white in photographs often look slightly grey due to lighting. — Wackymacs 14:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's a good effort but it looks a bit artificial, almost posterised, to me. The only real solution is a new photo which is lit better. If you supply me with the new iPod, I'll provide you the photo ;) BigBlueFish 16:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dark grey iPod?

message: I thought article names had to begin with a capital.--Ssj4android 04:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, geez, someone tried to use  again. It doesn't work reliably; I've reverted it. Zetawoof(ζ) 04:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the I on the article page an i?