Template talk:Suicide sidebar

message: I'd be interested in any opinions on adding List of suicide sites to the template. - Eric 20:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As the list itself states, "jurisdictions and media agencies have ceased collecting statistics and reporting suicides at common sites, in the belief that the reporting may encourage others." Well we're a media agency too.  We should follow their example.  We shouldn't promote the act nor those sites as places to commit it, any further than we already have.  The Transhumanist   22:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding "List of suicide sites"? 

message: Not sure where to put it parasuicide certainly relevant. Paul foord 11:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parasuicide or attempted suicide not on template 

message: I've pretty thoroughly reformatted the template.  It seems good enough for now; a bigger problem is the sorry state of our suicide articles in general.  It's one of those topics where everyone has an opinion so no one bothers to cite sources.  We need articles that pass the amnesia test. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 21:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work. I think it looks very balanced now and hopefully the main article can be made to match it some day. Prolog 22:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can live with the current order.  Thank you, Night Gyr, for taking the initiative.  You've helped us reach a suitable compromise.  The Transhumanist   17:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  reformatted 

message: Hi! I noticed that Euthanasia is mentioned twice in the template - first under social aspects then again under suicide types. I was inclined to remove it from suicide types, as it isn't a form of suicide, where suicide is defined as intentionally causing one's own death - euthanasia, as current defined in the literature, involves another party performing the act. On those grounds, are there any objections if I remove it from "suicide types", leaving it in "Social aspects"? 
In relation to the above, I note that "Assisted suicide" is mentioned in "Social aspects", but not in "Suicide types". Would it be ok to move "Assisted suicide" down to the other section? - Bilby (talk) 04:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made the changes above - given that I don't want to read a lack of response as approval, especially given that this just probably isn't an active discussion page any more, if anyone disagrees I'll have no objection if you want to revert and bring the discussion here. - Bilby (talk) 07:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euthanasia 

message: I noticed that the image for this template is a picture of Socrates reaching for the poison hemlock that killed him. It is a common misconception that Socrates committed suicide, when really he was made to drink the poison hemlock as a method of execution. He did not voluntarily drink the hemlock, although arguably he did throw his trial as a sort of martyrdom for his philosophical beliefs which might be construed to be suicidal. But there has to be some more clear-cut example of suicide that we can use. Socrates was tried, convicted, and executed. AuntieNeo (talk) 07:50, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with this. Also, navboxes don't have to be cluttered by decorative thumbnails. --dab (𒁳) 09:22, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Many do call it that. Sure people argue about it. I do not see this as sufficient justification to remove the image. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:57, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socrates did not commit suicide 

message: Can someone collapse the template. In shot articles like this it takes all the space, thus no space remains to add graphics related to the article! --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have any comment? --Tito Dutta (talk) 23:41, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Waited for 4 months! Have  it --Tito Dutta (contact) 04:21, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collapse request! 

message: As usual, the move request draws little attention. Note to whoever closes this: I would be fine with it if the templates are moved to the 'navbox' and 'sidebar' names, as the anon and User:Vanisaac above also suggested. - Manifestation 19:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: ...I was not pleased with the above 'discussion' which resulted in  being renamed to , but  being left unaltered. Why would you have a template named "Suicide2", especially if you don't have a "Suicide" or "Suicide1"? The closing admin claimed that there was no consensus to move Suicide2, which is not entirely correct.
So I decided to move  to  myself. I also removed all transclusions of Suicide2, changing them to Suicide navbox. I did the same with a few remaining instances of Suicide, now changed to Suicide sidebar. On this moment, both redirects are not transcluded on any page (Suicide, Suicide2).
Sorry if this is considered gaming the system. I truly believe this to be the best solution. Because the redirects are unused now, the situation is easily changed again, if there's a consensus to do so. I don't see that happening any time soon though, considering the very low amount of input from others. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 16:23, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'll be honest here... 

message: Please, I only want to edit the Socrates image in the Template, It's should be changed by another picture, because it could suggest a romanticized portrait of the phenomenon. Please, let me change it, by a symbol or and ideograph, it's for practical reasons.
image          = 
change by this: http://afsp.donordrive.com/clients/AFSP/img/fbLogo.jpg?v=42243.2736806
Please, don't let my request unanswered.
Thank you very much. 
Waiting for your answer. 
Usuariocontribuyente (talk) 13:40, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: The image you have suggested is the logo of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, which does not appear to be free for use and would unreasonably promote this organization through the template. If you would like to change the image in the template, you should suggest alternatives and develop a consensus here first before making an edit request. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2015 

message: The former picture was not really representative of the whole concept of suicide, since it required knowledge of the rest of the paining as well as its context. It can also be debated of Socrates committed suicide or simply accepted his death sentence. The painting itself likely suggests the latter.
The painitng of Sappho, however, is more like it. It requires no foreknowledge to understand that it depicts a jumper; the open sea to the left showing the infinity of death, and her pose and facial expression on the right displaying the fear and misery of being suicidal. The doubts whether Sappho did die by suicide is irrelevant to the painting, and reflected upon by the image desc.
I know that there was previous talk about the image, but decided to do a bold edit to quickly solve this. Feel free to revert and talk or just talk if you disagree :)Gaioa (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:12, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed the image from Socrates' poison to Sappho's jump 

message: Please change the spelling error "paining" to "painting" in the sidebar painting of Sappho & possibly add "Sappho a Greek poet shortly before her rumoured suicide" as a descriptor. Brain Salt (talk) 16:24, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've corrected the spelling (also the same mistake at :Template:Suicide navbox ), but have not added the Greek poet, as IMHO the description long enough already. I'll leave the request open, so another editor can consider this. - Arjayay (talk) 16:47, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Question. By "descriptor," do you mean you want to add that text underneath the image, like a caption? I kind of agree it should have that because, since most people don't know who Sappho was, the image has no apparent use to the typical reader. City</span>]]OfSilver 21:04, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  The description is currently visible on hover. Although there is a caption parameter, which can be added (see Template:Sidebar), IMHO a caption, especially such a long one, would be an unnecessary distraction. - Arjayay (talk) 10:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: , I agree that the hover-caption is already quite long and adding the additional text could be problematic for some devices (e.g., screen readers, etc.). Marking as answered. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:44, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2017 

message: The templates  and  have the same content, but the former is horizontal and the latter is vertical. Each of them includes a message that says that any edits made to one of them should also be made to the other; for example, the message on  says:
Should the content of  and  be the same, and should there be a similar message on each template? (I ask because I made some changes to one of them but not to the other.) Thanks, Biogeographist (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Navboxes should generally go at the bottom IMO and are much prefered over sidebars. One should not have both. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:58, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

text: IMO we should merge the sidebar into the navbox and place the later at the bottom of the pages in question. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:59, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The preferences of  are noted, and I agree that alternate navigation templates with duplicate content should not both be used on the same page; nevertheless such alternate navigation templates do exist, as the example of  and  shows. So there are currently two different proposed options: (1) Should one of  and  be merged into the other?  has proposed merging the former into the latter (see above). Or: (2) Should  and  be alternate navigation templates like  and , with an alert message that any content changes made in one of the templates should also be updated in the other? Biogeographist (talk) 22:38, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the content of [[Template:Suicide sidebar]] and [[Template:Suicide navbox]] be the same?