Talk:Mason Remey

message: Asad29591, regarding this addition, there are numerous problems. For example, the original text wrote, "Mason Remey has indicated that... some Baha'is told him...". Your addition wrote, "Mason Remey was approached by many Baha'is". The location you put it in the article is totally inappropriate for the weight. Many other things. You need to seriously study and apply the core content policies. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 14:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Asad29591, I think Cuñado is correct. You need to edit the statement to start with "Mason Remey has indicated that... some Baha'is told him...". And this does not belong to the lead paragraph, it should come somewhere at a correct place.Serv181920 (talk) 10:37, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  and  Thank you for pointing it out. It would have been much better if instead of reverting my edit, one of you may have removed it from lead and put it in the article at an appropriate place. Merely reverting to edits which is a common practice by Cunado is not ethical.--Asad29591 (talk) 23:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with all three editors. Accordingly, I placed an edited version in the body of the article where it appeared to fit. Any adjustments are welcome. As a general note, , everything in the lead of a Wikipedia article should also be in the body, so it is usually easiest to add it there first. Then if it is important enough a short version can go in the lead too. Gazelle55 (talk) 23:21, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you  - Asad29591 (talk) 07:00, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , Baha'is loyal to their administration have some reservations about Mason Remey, for them he is a covenant-breaker and you know very well how CBs are treated in the Baha'i faith.Serv181920 (talk) 15:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:TALK: "Talk pages are for improving the encyclopedia, not for expressing personal opinions on a subject or an editor." Cuñado ☼ - Talk 06:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policy 

message: Dear  you are right in saying that Mason Remey was in America and Abdul Baha in Palestine but that doesnt mean that Mason Remey cannot be a close confident of Adul Baha. Mason Remey was always in touch with Abdul Baha. Master has called Mason Remey as his Son (a spiritual son just like Shoghi Effendi). There has been tablets from Master for Mason Remey.
In diary of Juliet Thompson page 92 Abdul Baha says: "Remember Juliet, One hair of Mason Remey's head is worth all the unbelievers in the world"Asad29591 (talk) 01:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Original research. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 03:42, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Abdul Baha on many occasions have called Mason Remey as his son. Just like Shoghi Effendi was the spiritual son of Abdul Baha (and not his own son). Since Shoghi Effendi died without any descendant, Mason Remey being the head of the IBC became the next Guardian of the Faith. Secondary source: Pg 141 of Baha’is in Exile of Vernon Elvin Johnson.Asad29591 (talk) 03:41, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Johnson documenting the illogical views of others does not validate those views. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 16:40, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you should accept what is in the original research. I do understand that it doesn't match your personal belief hence you are removing the properly cited material as well from the page. Let us close the discussion on the point that Guardian had asked Mason Remey to come come and settle in Haifa and also made him the President of International Baha'i Council (UHJ in embryonic form) so he thus can be called the close confident of Shoghi Effendi. Lets put that in the article on mutual consent and not drag this discussion further.Asad29591 (talk) 03:09, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You are synthesizing material and coming to conclusions not stated in independent sources. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 16:51, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since it seems that you want more proofs that Charles Mason Remey was a close confident of Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi I shall put the same. However kindly note that it is only the mainstream Baha'is who consider Mason Remey as a covenant breaker however for followers of Orthodox Baha'i Faith he is the second Guardian. By calling him a covenant breaker in general terms, you are disrespecting and hurting the sentiments of followers of other Baha'i sects. Would advise you to refrain from doing the same as it is against the wikpedia policy.Asad29591 (talk) 04:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  , could you provide the quote from Johnson, so I can try to mediate? Gazelle55 (talk) 21:10, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mason Remey Close Confident of Abdul Baha 

message: Regarding this addition and deletion... The removed material reflects correctly what is in the source regarding his mis-named obituary. Regarding Remey's memoirs, they are primary source material, and the addition to the article is using the memoirs to make controversial and otherwise unsubstantiated claims about the motives of other people. Asad, as you have been editing in bad faith and disregarding policy for about two years, I haven't taken the time to explain the reverts to your weekly attempts to subvert articles with your POV pushing. If you think I'm wrong, there are several avenues for you to pursue other experienced editors to get involved. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 23:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , I agree with . In my case, I've repeatedly tried to discuss with you and explain why your edits violate Wikipedia's policies and guidelines but you have continued editing in the same style. You often reference your personal views in your edit summaries and on talk pages, and all of your edits are dedicated to promoting the view that the succession to Shoghi Effendi was illegitimate. You almost always fail to follow WP:AGF. You're of course free to hold whatever views you want but that doesn't exempt you from Wikipedia policies. Please take a look at WP:SPA since it seems to apply to you. It would be great to have you as a productive member of Wikipedia but that will require you to take a more neutral approach. Thanks, Gazelle55 (talk) 01:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Obituary and diary