Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Organizations/Archive 2

message: I just added the list of progressive organizations to the lists of organizations category. I'm wondering if we shouldn't break down the list of progressive organizations into sub-categories for each section, and if so, what naming conventions should we use for type and location? Oldsoul 23:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of progressive organizations

message: Over here there is a little discussion about what makes an organization notable, and thus worthy for inclusion on Wikipedia. I argue that the classical view of notability was inadequate given the justifiable goals and objectives of this WikiProject. We will develop our own definition of what is not notable as we move forward regardless of the outcome elsewhere, but nevertheless you may want to throw in your two cents as I have. Oldsoul 04:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability of Organizations

message: I've just added the nav temp. used by WP:WARS, which I think may be the best foundation for us to build off of. Have you guys seen any others that might work/look as good or better than this one?Oldsoul 04:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigation Template 

message: For the time-being I shall assume the role of Lead Project Coordinator. I don't assume any real power of course, but I just want to make it clear that I intend to dedicate lots of time to this Project, and would appreciate as much positive criticism and feedback as possible. 
That being said, I've been able to teach myself some template basics - enough to copy/paste and configure simple boxes. However, I do need lots of help on the technical side of things. The WP:WARS project has a great automated assessment system that is integrated with task-force info boxes and other templates. Before I start researching and adding organizations to the bottom end of this Project Tree, (i.e. starting new article stubs), I'd like to have a similar system in place. 
That way, every time one of us starts (+plants a seed) for a new organization stub, we can paste in all the standard templates right away, and not have to return and create more work for ourselves later.
Thoughts? Help?Oldsoul 05:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Coordinator & Technical Help

message: I've realized, browsing around the various sub-categories that it makes sense to use the discussion pages associated with each one as space for our project. (example) The navigation template should be added to each one. If we don't do that we'll have a multiplicity of project sub pages in this namespace, and a growing number of parallel and relevant conversations happening on the category discussion pages. For clarity, the individual article discussion pages should have the simple  and other standard tags on top. Thoughts?Oldsoul 19:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category discussion pages as project spaces 

message: It all looks like vary nice work you have don so far. So how do we go about the categorizing of the religious and age bast organizations, and ware do they fit in?--Devin Murphy 90 90 06:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Devin, I've been busy the last few weeks, so I haven't had a chance to keep moving forward, but I plan on starting to do about 30 minutes a day soon. I think you've raised an excellent point. My best estimation is that they would fit under the cultural organizations (by field) branch of the scheme. Thanks for stopping by and I hope to see you around again soon. Oldsoul 16:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious and age based organizations 

message: No Wikiproject can dictate on spelling matters, and in particular it cannot over rule the policy that Wikipedia is not standardised into American English. Olborne 00:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And what policy would that be? --Vossanova o< 15:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Moved the blockquote from the project page. Olborne, it's been made quite clear that organization is the ipso facto majority standard internationally, both on wikipedia and in peer reviewed scientific journals. For the record, I am canadian but it's been established that the 'ize' spelling is not in fact the American spelling at all. Individual articles, especially on british organizations may use the 'ise' variant without error, but in all others and for the categorization scheme of this project, 'ize' will be used.Oldsoul 16:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apparently there was a brief and limited 'consensus' reached here which contradicts the clear and justifiable nomenclature of the 'ize' ending. I don't have the time to reverse those edits made, but this is clearly going to be a problem with users coming in and intentionally or otherwise messing up our naming []. Thoughts on how to repair/revent this from happening in the future?Oldsoul 23:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no problem that needs being repaired or prevented.  It is an established practice on (the English-language version of) Wikipedia that all varieties of English spelling are equally acceptable, as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English, and that we shouldn't waste time going around changing spellings for the sake of it. -- AJR | Talk 22:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It will be a problem if users from one side go around reverting edits or setting up articles that contradict the manual of style. That is, in my understanding of it, articles from english language entities that use one or the other should retain that spelling for their articles, but that macro level categories, should retain the international standard (ize) unless the topic covers an area where the 'ise' ending is more appropriate.Oldsoul 18:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean exactly by the "international standard" ? "Organisation" is the spelling used for example by the OECD, Nato, and the European Union. It is also by far the dominant spelling in the United Kingdom, Ireland, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and, incidentally, India. Who made "organization" the international standard ? That claim is completely baseless. Since there is no single body such as the Académie française or the Real Academia Española to regulate the English language, one cannot say that any particular spelling is the international standard. 200.177.13.136 00:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization versus Organisations 

message: I've been coming across many organizations listed under the Business & Economics Project, and I'd like to be able put an 'organization infobox on their pages.  Do you have a template ready to go?  I noticed there's definitely more than one out there. -- SueHay 01:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Sue. Yes there is one ready to go which, as of yet, this project has not had any direct influence over, but is the one we are going to move forward with, Template:Infobox Organization2. In the future we can make changes to that infobox, or create specific ones for certain organization fields or locations. Oldsoul 15:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: As WikiProject Systems is quite new (established just two months ago), and this project isn't very old either, that might be the reason why this relationship hasn't been established. It would appear to me that this project would be a natural parent to that project. Some cooperation should be initiated, in my opinion. __meco 19:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relations to WikiProject Systems 

message: Why is it required to put  on every page worked by this project?
Overwhelming majority of articles do not need that template thanks to the  and , and even in the minority of cases with too many banners small=yes is usually a better idea. — Shinhan < talk > 15:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  skiptotoctalk 

message: With the help of a friendly bot, you might want to add the membership of these categories and lists to this project:
* :Category:University associations and consortia - but don't add the full membership of subcategories, which consist of individual universities
* List of recognized accreditation associations of higher learning
* :Category:International charities
--orlady 15:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some categories and lists to add to this project

message: I don't know if anyone noticed, but I have set up a bot to make up a list of new articles as they come in. Wikipedia:WikiProject Organizations/New articles. Perhaps someone could look at the search criteria and make it better. Gregbard 13:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New articles

message: I don't know if anyone noticed, but I have been populating :Category:Supraorganizations. I think this may help organize within this WikiProject at some point. Gregbard 13:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I raised a few questions on both the category and the article. It seems like the category might fit within a subcategory of "organizations by type of membership", which could include (a) organizations whose members are organizations (supraorganizations); (b) organizations whose members are comprised of various identity-categories (women, youth, etc.).  That could pick up some of those categories that people didn't know what to do with. Thoughts? --lquilter 18:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Supraorganizations

message: Gregbard added the WikiProject Organization tag to the discussion page for Institut Jean Nicod. I think this is a mistake, but I wanted to double check before removing the link: the Institute is an academic research center and I don't see how this would fit with the Organizations project, unless this is also supposed to cover academic departments and research institutes.
--DarTar 16:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct. I try to be mindful of avoiding those, but I didn't catch that it was an educational center. Be well, Gregbard 23:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Organizations vs. academic research institutes

message: In some articles there are some problems which could be at any time causing to flag the articles for dispute regarding the definitions in use:
Where says: "An international organisation, or more formally intergovernmental organisation (IGO)" . This is either not accurate or must have a [citation needed] showing who and where have arrived to such consensus, otherwise is incorrect, International Organizations are not IGOs necessarily. International may describe either membership, scope or presence and not necessarily governments participation.
This could be solved with something as: " An international organisation is by definition any organization with international membership, scope or presence, however, in common usage, is a term commonly reserved for intergovernmental organisations (IGO) such as the European Community or World Trade Organization, with sovereign states or other IGOs as members." unless of course it can be cited a couple of solid sources justifying that only IGOs can be called IOs, otherwise it is incorrect even from a legal point of view.
If desiring a more precise distinction, it could also be made a distinction between private IOs and public interest IOs which themselves may be subdivided in humanitarian, educational or with other purposes for example.
The problem extends as well to: "Non-governmental organisations (NGOs) are private organizations that can also be international in scope. Generally and correctly used, however, the term "international organization" is reserved for intergovernmental organizations only." Unless there is a [citation needed] very solid justifying the "correctly used" and the "reserved" these are completely incorrect, common usage is not "correctly used" and "reserved" must be specified in some international convention, agreement or a decision sustained by international law at least. I thought this should be addressed. Daoken 16:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Taxonomy doesn't work for this.  Is the UN Security Council an International Organization?  It certainly isn't National or Intranational.  International Organization can also simply mean one with membership from more than one nation, whether those members represent their nations or just themselves.  Similarly an Intergovernmental Organization may liase between the governments of towns, cantons, provinces or what-have-you within a single nation.  Better to simply identify the attribute of Geographic_Area explicitly (say in an infobox) than to imply it incorrectly in a taxonomy.  That can apply to any organization.LeadSongDog 21:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IGO and IO 

message: With the purpose of assisting with the validation and verification of organizations, I think that some level of cooperation with the WP:TRUEORIG could prove helpful. Daoken 18:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organizations validation and verification 

message: Hello, I am a member of the WikiProject Council. I wanted to know if we could consider placing the banner  on the project's page? We may include there projects we cooperate with on a routinely basis. By doing this we may be contributing to inter-project cooperation and understanding. Thank you Daoken 22:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for cooperation 

message: Is Eastern Orthodox Church organization within the scope of this WikiProject?  How about Foundation for the Advancement of Art?  OK, the latter seems obvious.  I've noticed there are large numbers of Wikipedia articles about art-related organizations that are orphans or nearly so---that one among them (see :Category:Arts organizations).  Would finding ways to remedy that orphan status be within the scope of this WikiProject? Michael Hardy 01:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, looking at the article, it is about how they are legally organized and not about their aims, therefore it should be considered within scope Daoken 10:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  scope of this project? 

message: Hello WikiProject Organization members, I'm Neranei. A few weeks ago, I rescued Portal:NATO from an MfD, and it seriously needs upkeep. As NATO is within the scope of your project, I was wondering if anyone would be willing to take this portal on. If you would like to, either post here or come talk to me. Thanks! Neranei (talk) 19:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portals 

message: The banner template to be place on articles talk pages has only been set up to display article categorization but not to do the next step which is to categorize articles accordingly. Is there any particular reason for this? __meco 09:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I recently did an overhaul of the WP:PHILO which expanded the banner options to include fields. I think the new reorganization of this project with emphasis on location, field, kind, ideology may help. I have  been looking at the reorganization and trying to figure out how it would look. Greg Bard 11:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have implemented this on a couple of WikiProjects, but I do struggle a bit with it. The receipe for getting bot-assisted assessment can be read at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/WikiProject. I haven't joined WikiProject Organizations, so I'll just give the pointer for now. I'll see about assisting if that proves insufficient. __meco 15:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is the assessment department coming along? 

message: Do you have any userboxes or barnstars available for this wikiproject? If not, you should make at least a userbox...--Kushan I.A.K.J (talk) 09:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userboxes/Barnstars 

message: I've been doing extensive cleanup of the project page which was confusing to read because of numerous empty sections. I've also created a Wikipedia:WikiProject Organizations/History page; archived older discussions from this talk page; set up a separate page as a categorization task force; set up a separate page as a notability task force (with organization article deletion review transcluded in), and in general been doing lots of poking about. Just so folks know who to blame for what's happening around here. <-: 
In particular, I could not follow the categorization proposals which were scattered in time and location over multiple places. I've centralized discussion and links as much as possible at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Organizations/Taskforce-Categorization. 
--Lquilter 22:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: project page cleaning up

message: A new organization article has been made. Please help by expanding it or giving advise for it on it's talk page. Article: Eagle Club Group  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Rema (talk • contribs) 07:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NEW ARTICLE! 

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thread_title:  FAR for Belarusian Republican Youth Union