Talk:Carl Czerny

message: I understand that Czerny never married and left no descendants.  However, the pianist Halina Czerny-Stefanska (co-winner of the 1949 International Frederick Chopin Piano Competition) said that her father claimed to be descended from the composer.  At least one of these statements must be wrong.  Can anybody shed any light? Cheers JackofOz 00:13, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Any info yet about this query??  JackofOz 14:05, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the suggestion.  Maybe her father was mistaken, or exaggerated his lineage.  Or maybe he was descended from a collateral Czerny, not Carl personally.  JackofOz 06:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Update.  I've just come across her article in Grove V (where she's listed as Stefanska-Czerny, not Czerny-Stefanska).  There, it states baldly that her father Stanislaw Czerny was a direct descendant of Karl Czerny, so it wasn't just her claiming this.  Yet, in the same dictionary's entry for Karl Czerny, it says he never married, had no siblings, and left no close relatives.  Sometimes I just don't know who to believe.  --  JackofOz (talk) 19:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Sorry to burst your bubble, but no matter how many "greats" there are, your husband is not descended from any of his uncles.  Not directly descended, that is. He's what's called a collateral descendant.  They share the same DNA, but they got it from a common third-party source, not one from the other.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  11:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Czerny's descendants ??? 

message: I just deleted the final phrase "These are strongly recommended.".
If you feel the need, add a more objective qualification.
I think that the whole last paragraph ("Signum records just released...") should be deleted or rewritten (I suggest "see also" link with reference to the CD). — MFH:Talk 19:32, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CD recommendation 

message: I have removed
 * About how to practice Czerny on piano read The Golden Fingers Technique
because I consider it an advertising that is not directly relevant to the article. --Leonard Vertighel 22:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed links 

message: How do you pronounce "Czerny"? ALTON .ıl 23:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is your native language/country? Infovarius (talk) 09:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The standard pronunciation is "cherny".  The e and the r should not be construed like the English "er", but as separate, and the r is rolled.  It has cognates with other Slavic languages, such as the Russian чёрный, pronounced "chorny".  It means "black".  --  JackofOz (talk) 09:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA? 

message: Currently, the media section looks a little messed up as far as formatting goes. Can someone fix it so that it looks better?--Edward130603 (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media 

message: I think this section makes a questionable claim. It's true that in the link to the interview with Ms Oehmichen she does assert that Czerny's nocturnes were written before Chopin's. But she also gives the date of publication of the last (Op. 647) as 1841 which makes it contemporaneous with Chopin's Op. 48 set, his sixth set! I can find no definite publication date for Czerny's first set but its opus number, Op. 368, suggest it was circa 1835, by which time Chopin had written ten, about half of his twenty-one nocturnes. Granted date of publication is not the same as date of composition but if is there any evidence that Czerny wrote his nocturnes in the 1820s and played them to Chopin? Tiresias13 (talk) 17:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czerny´s Nocturnes 

message: I'm not an expert on Czerny by any means, but this article is very problematic. The biographical sections are completely separated ("early life" at the beginning and "adult life" at the very end). Most of the article seems devoted to vindicating Czerny's reputation as a composer of "serious" music and over-enthusiastically hyping the modern "rediscovery" of his music, rather than providing clear and coherent information about the composer - an encyclopedia entry is the wrong avenue to publish this sort of gushy polemic/paean. The constant references to the same modern musicians and recordings (Botstein, Kuerti, Martin Jones and the Sheridan Ensemble) seem totally out of place too. While there is plenty of information buried within, someone with expertise should work on presenting it in a coherent, objective and informative manner.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.48.60 (talk) 21:30, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs major reworking 

message: I do not understand why Czerny is listed as an Austrian composer. After all, his family was from Nymburk, his first language was Czech, his last name was Czech (though spelt using Polish orthography) and he did not speak German until the age of ten. Clearly there must be some nationalist bias on this page and it should be made clear (for the sake of national pride) that Czerny was a Czech, because living in the Austrian empire does not automatically make one Austrian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Highschoolpuppettier (talk • contribs) 09:55, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but out of all the injustices suffered by Czerny this is new! Czerny, a legitimate Austrian citizen born in Vienna, the city where he spent his entire life and for which he bequeathed his fortune by will is not an Austrian?? Czerny never even visited Czechoslovakia!! Sorry again, but this review is is totally mistaken! Carlczernyblog (talk) 16:41, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am sorry, but I would say that it is a larger injustice when in the first paragraph introducing the composer, there is no mention of his Czech heritage. I do not know how much you know about Czerny´s life, but I must confess that I am slightly puzzled by your comment, saying that Czerny never visited Czechoslovakia, which does not exist now, nor did it exist during his life. However, using the information from the text, it is evident that Czerny was and therefore should be treated at least partially as a Czech. I repeat, if his family was Czech and his native tongue was Czech too, he should be treated as a citizen of the Austrian Empire, but a Czech by heritage. Historically, under the Austrian Empire, people of different nationalities moved around the country without losing a sense of national identity. Czerny, as is mentioned in the article, did not speak German until the age of ten, which would be a pretty strange thing for a full-fledged Austrian. I do not think calling him at least a partial Czech is an injustice; however it is an injustice when one tries do deny his roots. Highschoolpuppettier (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry if I was harsh in my other post, forgive me. Rejecting your appeal that Czerny is not an Austrian composer only meets the need to rid Czerny from the prejudice he suffered, in Vienna, as a Czech descent. We know from historical studies that, at that time, a Viennese from a Czech family (Boehmia) was discriminated in Vienna. Perhaps because of this absurd bias, the work of Czerny was (and still is) little valued in Austria. However, where is Czerny really valuated as a composer as he deserves? Nowhere. Canadians had started to did it, but only in the early twentieth century. If the Czechs could help, it would be wonderful. There is an important Czerny piano competition in Prague. We are not from Austria and we think that the Austrians should take better care of the legacy of this great son of Vienna. An element that speaks about the Austrian roots of Czerny-s heart is his use of Austrian folk songs in his variations and the fact that he set to music the anthem of Austria (composed from Haydn) for piano and orchestra. But, as you said, nationality was not a hard concept at that time. Czerny was, above all, a Viennese person. Czerny worked hard to be accepted as a Viennese composer but, apparently, he had not achieve that until today. The fact that Czerny had not visited Bohemia was not a slight, but due the fact he really hardly traveled. However, nothing indicates that he renege the Czech roots of his beloved parents. Carlczernyblog (talk) 19:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for that acknowledgement; I did not mean to say that Czerny was completely Czech, but that it would be fair if people would at least keep this in mind when speaking of him and of his nationality. I see it as slightly sad that the world sees things from the German-Austrian perspective, rather than from the Czech one and that many important people from the country are better known under their German names (Johann Stamitz/Jan Štamic, Franz Benda/František Benda, Franz Krommer/František Kramář, etc.). Though Czerny is not one of these, he still does hold a place alongside the Czech composers as well as the Austrian ones and (as you said yourself) it is lamentable that he is rather "neglected." Highschoolpuppettier (talk) 19:56, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hello, I have just discovered that Czerny visited Bohemia, he visited Nymburg! Carlczernyblog (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czerny´s Nationality 

message: Under Homages and Tributes, the Czerny Bridge and the Czernyring in Heidelberg are more likely named after Vincenz Czerny. The German Wikipedia page for Vincenz Czerny mentions the same bridge and ring.
Obepan (talk) 20:24, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heidelberg Bridge and Ring 

message: Why were the homages and tributes removed? I will reinstate if no reason is given, in case this was a mistake. 
EmperorOfTrebizond (talk) 08:50, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homages and Tributes