Talk:Italian irredentism in Nice

message: This article is full of Italian irredentism POV, so I have put a POV alert. Nice region was always Occitan-speaking (before recent francization) and all sspecialists in Romance linguistics consider that Niçard is an Occitan dialect. There is the same kind of POV in Niçard article.--Nil Blau (talk) 00:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please let me intervene to support Nil Blau's claim. This article is some kind of a very strange mixture, with nationalistic and pseudolinguistic statements. As far as I can tell Niça's area has never spoken Ligurian except in some small enclaves (whose language is commonly known as figon/figoun) linked apparently to some migrations. I think we can refer to some old texts and documents if it should need to be proved that the native language of most of the County has always been Occitan and that it actually suffered some influence from Italian recently because of its geopolitical situation. Does the fact that your region was under Italian rule make you Italian, I really doubt it! Have a great summer! Capsot (talk) 21:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with the two users above, this article is heavily biased towards an Italian-irredentist viewpoint. It presents history in a biased perspective, and its claims about linguistics are alien to the generally accepted modern linguistic theories. JdeJ (talk) 18:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed regarding the bias and, most of all, the lack of a basis for this article. While it is interesting, it contorts history and presents a background as if to substantiate a claim which really doesn't exixt. What the heck is a "Nizzardo Italian"?? I'm not too quick to discard the linguistic elements, however, but this is not the place to discuss that aspect (maybe the Niçard article is a better place?). I won't pretend to be a linguist, but it seems the regional dialect is very similar to Ligurian and Gallo-Italian languages, even if it is classified as Occitan by linguists. Some writings do refer to it as an "Italian" dialect, even if scholarly works in linguistic studies do not. Another simplistic reason I won't completely ignore the linguistic aspect is the abundance of Italian place and people names (Garibaldi himself). As part of the Kingdom of Savoy for many years, the official language for this region may have been Italian and that must have left some legacy as well... Just some thoughts and I welcome some enlightenment by those who know more about this. Dionix (talk) 21:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree too. The article is one of a series created by (the now sadly departed) Brunodam and his multiple socks to promote his own irredentist POV. They all display the same bias, historical contortions and attempts to substantiate nationalist claims to some kind of Greater Italy. If you are interested, the remainder of the series is Corfiot Italians, Corsican Italians, Dalmatian Italians, Libyan Italians, Maltese Italians and Tunisian Italians.  AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 07:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So the question is asked : how do we delete an entire article ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.84.109.31 (talk) 18:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian irredentism POV 

message: I think it's important to note that some Italian nationalists in Italy did have irredentist designs on Nice after 1860, as they did on the South Tyrol/Trentino, Dalmatia, and Istrian peninsula. However, as others have pointed out, there was no "mass exodus" of 11,000 Niçois to Italy after the annexation of 1860. Of course some inhabitants chose Italian nationality over French nationality and yes, some did leave for Italy, but the VAST majority remained in France and over time--as with the rest of France's provinces--became increasingly Gallicized through the spread of universal literacy. But the idea of a mass, French-induced diaspora is pure fiction. I have never encountered the expression "Nizzardo Italians" before, at least not in reputable sources. One of the sources cited for this article, the 1939 book entitled Nizza è l'Italia, is very clearly a work of fascist propaganda and citations from that source should be suppressed. In my view, this article belongs as a subsection of the article about Italian irredentism, not as a stand-alone article. I would welcome others' comments on this.Mole2 (talk) 05:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a google book in Italian about the riots pro-Italy, that happened in Nice in 1872 and that were called Vespri Nizzardi (in relation to the historical 'Vespri Siciliani').If somebody has difficulty understanding it, I advise him to translate with " http://translate.google.com ". Sincerely.--Everyreason1 (talk) 05:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion: move this article to the article on Italia Irredenta?  

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message: The article frames it as if the classification of Niçard into Occitan was a french nationalist position, despite french nationalist positions usually denying the existence of occitan altogether. --ΟυώρντΑρτ (talk) 10:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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