Talk:Lada Riva

message: On the photos it not VAZ-2101, but VAZ-2105 or VAZ-2107. I tell you for sure. See  for real ВАЗ-2101 ("Kopeyka"). 87.245.140.252 11:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: VAZ-2104 VAZ-2105 VAZ-2107 known in the western Europe under the trade mark LADA or LADA Riva.
VAZ-2101 and VAZ-2102 is russian version Fiat 124.
VAZ-2103 known in the western Europe under the trade mark Zhiguli.
VAZ-2106 not delivered on the European market
VAZ-2108 VAZ-2109 known in the western Europe under the trade mark LADA Samara.
LADA is god in russian neopaganism heh.Gnomsovet (talk) 21:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont know where the Riva name was used, any countries outside UK? --— Typ932T | C  07:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

text: New VAZ 2107 160.000 rouble or 5000$ cheap and shit ;)1.06.09Gnomsovet (talk) 21:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Which countries the Riva name was used, I mean is the article named with right name? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Automobiles/Conventions#Names  --Typ932 T·C 09:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: the name

message: Article currently states:
"Its spartan interiors, dated styling and outdated mechanicals meant that it was never actually aimed at buyers of market leaders' similar-sized products such as the Ford Sierra, Vauxhall Cavalier and Austin Montego. It was a competitor for fellow East European and Far Eastern cars from makes like Skoda, Yugo, FSO and Hyundai."
However, I don't think thats really the full accurate picture. Those other eastern vehicles were relatively lightweight and smaller offerings, not really equivalents. The 2 big strengths of the Riva were that 
a) it was shamelessly cheap
b) it was an exceptionally tough workhorse.
Rather I think Lada Rivas had no real equivalents elsewhere in the 1980s UK car market, and captured a few market niches:
# the bottom few percent of the the market that would otherwise have gone to the more mainstream western manufacturers, eg Ford.
# They were relatively popular with senior citizens, who often cared not one jot about their dated appearance, mechanics and the Lada jokes. The upright seating posture and high seat position made getting out of the car much easier for the infirm than western cars.
# they also took a significant share of the economy car market, such as the MG Metro & similar.
# They were a somewhat attractive option for people who wanted a particularly tough vehicle.
86.4.152.167 (talk) 18:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Market niche / Competitors

message: The "1981 in Canada" photograph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%2781_Lada_1500_%28Auto_classique_Pointe-Claire_%2711%29.jpg) depicts a VAZ 21061 (with an enormous huge bumper I have never seen before), whereas the article mainly deals with 2104, 05 and 07 (a restyle Zhiguli version). Shouldn't the picture be removed?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.39.35.200 (talk) 09:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2106 in the photograph 

message: There is a 'Top Gear' section that says "The Lada Riva has been featured twice on the British motoring program Top Gear" and then lists the two episodes it appeared in without making any further comment about how this was notable. Hundreds of cars have appeared on Top Gear, from expensive sports cars to cheap family cars, some praise and some blasted. For a car to appear on Top Gear is not a notable event. Unless the appearance significantly altered the sales, public opinion, etc, then it is not notable to the car article. That section should be deleted.  Stepho  talk  22:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot but agree with the opinion above expressed and have deleted the mention of Top Gear from this article; it is completely unimportant that the car of the late 1970s was recently featured in a popular TV show, let alone exposed to undeserved ridicule along with other Eastern Bloc cars, regardless of what their actual advantages and disadvantages are. Besides, the very mention of Top Gear, which was relaunched only in 2002, is out of place in the section that gives a brief introduction into the sales of Rivas to the UK in the 1980s and early 1990s. Adding that "Top Gear does not like the Riva for being out of date (which is not surprising for a car designed in the 1970s) and badly made (which is true for the late models built during the crisis of AvtoVAZ), and being inferior to the 1960s Fiat 124 that i[t] was based on (which is completely wrong and ridiculous, given the more advanced design, more powerful engine and higher durability of the Riva)" is of no importance, as it is nothing but a private and preconceived opinion expressed in a popular and controversial television series (different TV shows have expressed different opinions on this matter), and contradicts the fact that this car went into series production in the 1970s and is more technically advanced than the original and much more "outdated" Fiat 124. Eriba-Marduk (talk) 19:42, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Gear 

message: According to this blog post from November 2015, about classic cars in Cuba, production of the Lada 2107 model in Egypt continued until in 2014, when "the assembly line was retooled for the production of the modern Lada Granta". It seems hard to find references about this fact right now, but the claim that production is ongoing Egpyt is arguable. BaboneCar (talk) 17:59, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of production in Egypt 

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message: This ZR article compares the crash test results of two different Lada 21053 models, one from 2002 and an older one from 1994. The UNECE standards 12-03 and 33 are mentioned, and the article notes that the 1994 model fails to meet the second one. It goes on to say that when new regulations are approved in October of the same year, the new model probably will not pass them, either.
So to say that 'the car met old UECE car safety standards but would not pass more modern safety regulations of the 2000s' is just misleading.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:25, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Added that the older car was a second-hand one, bought after it was used and when it was not in the perfect condition, as has been noted in the source. As for everything else, I have nothing more to say about your edits and, frankly, nothing more to do here or on other car-related pages. Thanks for your patience and explaining the rules to me. 90.155.195.3 (talk) 15:11, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safety section