Talk:Pokémon Master

message: I noticed that almost no articles link here, and this article isn't in any categories.  As a result, few people will ever likely find this article.  You might want to figure out the best category or categories to put this article in.  (you put an article in a category by adding the proper category tag to the article)  --Xyzzyplugh 11:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops... Thanks. As I said, I am new to this... I was not familiar with categories or how to apply them. I guess putting this in the Pokemon category is best.--Archknight 05:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: "The only person to ever become a pokemon master was Varun P, perhaps the greatest of them all "
What? Granted I ain't played ALL the games, but I've never heard of this, and a google search didn't turn up any notable results. I'm removing it unless someone brings up a source on this...sounds like some overzealous player bragging, to me... 70.149.217.82 12:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The greatest

message: Good job on your first article.
To further improve it, it needs to sound less like an essay (especially with a conclusion that says that it is an unattainable dream), and it needs more sources.  That last one is going to cause some problems.  All over the WikiProject Pokemon there are heated arguments over the current merger, with the main reason for it being that much information is actually original research and cannot be backed up by sources.
The subject of Pokemon Mastery, as I recall it, is rarely, if ever, mentioned in the games, but it is heavily emphasized in the anime.  Perhaps citations from the anime itself could help improve the article.SuperChencho 17:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs to be more encyclopedia-like 

message: As I suggested above, this article needs to be significantly stripped down, since at current it is Orginal Research, unreferenced, and an essay rather than an encylopedia article
Firstly, original research: It is not appropriate to state your own original thoughts, opinions, or observations about a topic in a Wikipedia article. For that reason I'm attempting to chop down a lot of this article, and reduce it to only a string of simple statements about the games, anime, and manga, which directly relate to the term "Pokemon master". This will still probably have some problems as being more original research than not, but at this point I'm trying to improve it rather than fix it all in one go.
Secondly, "in-world" terms and tone problems: The existing sections talk about specialized, fictional terminology as if the reader is already familiar. This is inappropriate anywhere on wikipedia, for any topic. Articles should be accessible to anybody, fans and non-fans alike, and so it should be written in a general rather than fandom-centric manner. For this reason I think it's more appropriate to restructure the article as "in the games", "in the anime", "in the manga", rather than as an essay which tries to go back and forth tying all of these together. Back to original research (as well as NPOV), you should not write an article in a style that attempts to advance a position.
As of this writing, I've cleaned up the first section, but I'll try to chop down and improve the others as well. (or, of course, if anyone is actually actively following this they can too!) TheBilly (talk) 20:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, at the moment I've copied the article and created a sub-page where I am completely re-writing it; I should have a link here in a few minutes (hopefully). MelicansMatkin (talk) 20:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stripping down this article 

message: I've removed everything unencyclopedic and rewritten the entire article on this subpage.  I'm sure that most of the information is already out of date (animewise anyways); I'm pretty sure that Pokemon Mastery has been mentioned more often than just the Prime episode.   Anyways, this is what the barebones of the article looks like when all of the embelleshing and fancruft is removed. MelicansMatkin (talk) 21:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this has already languished so long as an inappropriate, uncited essay, I think we should go ahead and be bold in giving this article the dramatic improvement it desperately needs, so I'm going to go ahead and edit in your rewrite. For any appropriate information that is missing from this new version, it can be incrementally re-added from the old revisions TheBilly (talk) 04:22, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stripdown complete

message: Per the couple of discussion sections above, I've completed the new rewrite and committed it. Although it is dramatic, as mentioned above there were substantial problems and so this new version is limited mostly to things that can be cited (though they currently are not)
Please help us all out by commenting on this new version, keeping in mind wikipedia's content policies (e.g. we shouldn't go back to like before and include all sorts of things just because fans want it). I'm hoping that we can work towards a version that can be merged into the Pokemon Trainer article 
Sorry KrytenKoro I had to revert your edit. Otherwise it would have reintroduced a lot of the problems from before. It was just a matter of bad timing (2 minutes apart, both working at the same time) TheBilly (talk) 05:00, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's what I did - I'm pretty sure all of these changes would be important clarifications (though the Celebi thing might possibly be cruft) Here: .Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New version