Talk:Neturei Karta

message: I've removed  the section based on the peshavil (pamphlet) because it's not a reliable source. It doesn't have any reliable publication data etc & is effectively the same as a random personal website. Could someone also find more info about the stuff added about from Daniel Biton before that goes back in? More generally I think there might be a bit of an original research problem with the two factions stuff ie. do the sources actually justify the claims about leaders, splits & size of various factions. Misarxist (talk) 15:13, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The pashkevil is not here as an RS, but as an indication that some degree of internal disagreement exists. That, it obviously does proof. --Piz d'Es-Cha (talk) 09:08, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peshkavil not a reliable source, & probs with the '2 factions' thing 

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message: A contribution to the discussion on he-interwiki would be appreciated. -- Prokurator11 (talk) 05:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Sikrikim]] 

message: Moshe Friedman is nothing more than an opportunist who has used his sect's religious and political views on Israel and Zionism to establish relationships within questionable or fringe groups of anti-Semitic or anti-Israel (or both) communities in order to advance his own business deals. He has proven, even among those people, to be less than reliable and even dishonest. At best, his bio is worthy of a notation on the Neturei Karta's wiki page and not his own. He is neither the founder, nor the leader of the anti-Zionist group, and at best is just a sidenote. This article should be incorporated into that page and deleted as its own
MosesYisroel (talk) 20:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Section started at  Talk:Moshe Friedman#Merge_discussion to keep the discussion in one place.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Moshe Friedman]] 

message: Will start today but needs many good sources. Will start leaving some random sources for others also
http://www.timesofisrael.com/conference-of-presidents-time-to-cut-off-neturei-karta/
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/01/09/ron-paul-zionism-advice-neturei-karta/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4247444,00.html
as Neturei Karta gone too far? A recent visit by the ant-Zionist sect’s representatives with Hezbollah officials in Lebanon has mainstream US Jewish leaders calling for “all parts of the Jewish community to denounce and disassociate from those who embrace the enemies of Israel and the Jewish people.”
A statement released Tuesday by Richard Stone, chairman, and Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman, of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, said “The Jewish community should act collectively now to cut off the extremist group and end these repeated acts of betrayal that embarrass the community and undermine its vital interests.”
Tellyuer1 (talk) 20:16, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Whole page has to be redone from scratch 

message: I'm not going to weigh in on the subtler issues being discussed. The anthem quote was an unambiguous copyright violation, and reinserting it will result in a block. As for the rest of this, discuss it, and stop reverting. This is not such a clearcut case that there is any unambiguous policy statement that forbids or permits the material, you have to seek consensus. More tug-of-war will result in blocks all around.—Kww(talk) 16:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring 

message: Does that page actually exist? I thought Talmud pages, at least in Bavli, were just 'a' and 'b', the front and back of the page. Is Yerushalmi different? Hagigah 76c is what the Neturei Karta list on their own site. --FeldBum (talk) 21:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Some editions of the Yerushalmi were printed with 2 columns a page, hence the "c" - 1st column on 2nd side of a given page. Scarletfire2112 (talk) 17:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hagigah 76c 

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thread_title:  removing POV tag with no active discussion per [[Template:POV]] 

message: I propose removing the ARBPIA banner from this page. I see no reason why this should apply to this page. There was also no editing in this area in the run up to its insertion here. Chesdovi (talk) 20:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think parts of the article are within scope of ARBPIA's 'broadly construed' approach. 1RR applies to those parts, not the entire article. Admins have also affirmed that ARBPIA covers issues related Israel's proxy war with Iran (such as the content that was just added by Gene Hubbsar, an AndresHerutJaim sock puppet). Sean.hoyland - talk 06:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sean, where is this affirmation? nableezy - 15:23, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See here for example. That turned out to be a AndresHerutJaim sock puppet as you know, the same person that added the material to this article, and it has been restored by someone currently topic banned from ARBPIA as far as I'm aware. Ironic. Sean.hoyland - talk 17:26, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

text: I had thought that as this group are not Arabs or Israelis, ARBPIA should not apply. It is an internal Jewish dispute. But I can see how if NK align themselevs with the Israeli "enemy" (dispite the Iranians not being Arab themselves) they could be seen as being connected to the conflict. I guess we also should add ARBPIA to Foreign policy of the Hugo Chávez government and no doubt numerous other similar pages whih have been left out. Chesdovi (talk) 10:44, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there are parts of this article about the I-P conflict, and not only tangentially, that's enough for the 1RR to apply. nableezy - 14:14, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean "not only tangentially"? There are parts in Foreign policy of the Hugo Chávez government abt i/p too? Chesdovi (talk) 14:41, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Beliefs sections, the two(!) History sections, and the Factionalism section of this article all are related to the I/P conflict. That's nearly every section of the article. In contrast, the article Foreign policy of the Hugo Chávez government has 4 mentions of some form of Palestine in the entire article, and only deals with the conflict in 1 section out of page nearly 3 times the size of this. Making these comparisons that are wildly off the mark isnt a convincing argument. nableezy - 15:22, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

text: 1RR applies to content covered by ARBPIA. There's no dependency on the presence or absence of a talk page ARBPIA header or the kind of warning message presented in some articles when people edit the article e.g.  Sean.hoyland - talk 15:35, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. Thanks for your help here. Chesdovi (talk) 15:47, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of WP:ARBPIA 

message: >> Israeli jailed for attempting to spy for Iran(Lihaas (talk) 07:32, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: they not mention in the article but it said "Other Western “revisionists” presented what they called new facts about the Holocaust at the conference, which also attracted attendees from some ultra-Orthodox Jews belonging to anti-Zionist sects that reject the state of Israel" ome ultra-Orthodox Jews belonging to anti-Zionist sects that reject the state of Israel it clearly said the anti zionists ultra orthodox jews are holocaust deniers and the neturei karta belong to that sect the ny times say it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.246.133.127 (talk) 01:22, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No it didn't say that they are Holocaust deniers, it said that they attended the conference and that they are anti-Zionist. That is precisely what the quote is. ... discospinster talk 01:27, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  yes it did it said "Other Western “revisionists” presented what they called new facts about the Holocaust at the conference," what do you think called new facts about the holocaust mean?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.246.133.234 (talk) 01:30, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  We aren't supposed to infer meaning from sources, we are restricted to reporting what the sources actually said. Neturei Karta do not deny the existence of the Holocaust; their "revisionism" is to blame it on the Zionists (both for provoking God and for failing to help). Zerotalk 01:46, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

text: It's not obvious from the article. Unless it says what those "new facts" are, you are speculating and we can't have defamatory content added to articles about people without proper sources. ... discospinster talk 04:02, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  neturei karta are holocaust deniers 

message: Video evidence is a reliable source no matter where it is hosted.LazyTime (talk) 04:12, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism by Avraham 

message: I understand Neturei Karta theology. Admittedly, there are some salient points I agree with sentimentally, if not factually.  But even if they were 100% correct on both accounts, why collude with anti-Semites? Perhaps they see anti-Semitic forces as some Babylon-like tool G-d will use to chastise this supposedly false Israel?  Many articles in Wikipedia document the anti-Semitic doings of Neturei Karta, but none address why they behave this way.  Simply that they disagree with Zionism is causality, not explanation.  Can anyone contribute to the article to address this? Jyg (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, read the article carefully. Did you read this? Don't know whether you read Hebrew: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta#/media/File:Nkcherem.jpg . NK does *not* collaborate with anti-Semites, under any circumstances. They also do NOT use the internet for propaganda purposes. --Piz d'Es-Cha (talk) 11:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have read the article. I have long since lost my fluency in reading Hebrew, though feel free to give an English synopsis of that poster. While I believe in the possibility of being pro-Jewish and simultaneously anti-Zionist, and not from a necessarily politically liberal perspective, there is no good, useful, helpful, pro-Jewish reason for Yisroel Weiss to attend the "International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust".  To be there is to collude and you're not going to be able to convince anyone outside of the sphere of influence of Neturei Karta to the contrary. If you're going to address my original question, perhaps you could explain why Yisroel Weiss attended and felt that not only the conference served a pro-Jewish purpose, but that being in the same room with those people for any reason, other than to bring light to the Gentiles, serves G-d and his chosen people? I ask these questions plainly and honestly; I have no ulterior motive other than to learn. Jyg (talk) 05:41, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't read all correctly then... So, what this poster is saying is that NK condemns those who stole the name Neturei Karta, those who join hands with the Arabs. That this is not the way of Neturei Karta. I made a short translation some time ago but someone removed it from the article, I think. Let me find it... --Piz d'Es-Cha (talk) 15:38, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Piz d'Es-Cha, if I am not reading this Wikipedia article according to your understanding, then please convey your understanding with regard to my questions. Jyg (talk) 02:17, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does Neturei Karta collude with anti-Semites? 

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message: Hello, somebody around who is able to find a source confirming נָטוֹרֵי קַרְתָּא is Jewish Babylonian Aramaic? --> Neturei Karta. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 11:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: Change the URL for the link in the "External links" section to http://www.nkusa.org.  The URL currently listed for Neturei Karta International goes to an old page on the Wayback Machine Internet Archive.  
Djh2dc (talk) 15:11, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done – Þjarkur (talk) 15:35, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 April 2019 

message: The article's 2nd paragraph includes "The Jewish Virtual Library puts their numbers at 5,000" but the JVL's sole indicated source is "GNU Free Documentation LicenseWikipedia article "Neturei Karta"Neturei Karta". Can the citation be replaced by an independent source? Mcljlm (talk) 23:59, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neturei Karta numbers 

message: Why does this mention require a quote from Farrakhan? If people want to see what the man has said, they can click the blue link and read his article. Ouf. 142.198.135.212 (talk) 22:07, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weiss meets Farrakhan 

message: Change 
"While the Neturei Karta describe themselves as true traditional Jews, the more secular
The Anti-Defamation League has described them as "the farthest fringes of Judaism" and a group with long history of "extremist statements" and support for notable anti-Zionists and Islamists.."
to
"While the Neturei Karta describe themselves as true traditional Jews, the more secular, the Anti-Defamation League has described them as "the farthest fringes of Judaism" and a group with a long history of "extremist statements" and support for notable anti-Zionists and Islamists." PorousWhale (talk) 15:47, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Sentence removed, see article history for details. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!  14:37, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 October 2023 

message: There’s a cut off sentence right before the info box.
”While the Neturei Karta describe themselves as true traditional Jews, the more secular” 156.205.115.140 (talk) 21:38, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, thanks. Longhornsg (talk) 00:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence cut off  

message: The Aramaic name should be vocalized as follows: נְטוּרֵי קַרְתָּא. The correct transcription is nəṭūrē qartā. 2600:8801:9A2B:9400:55E6:2E1D:C4E1:D100 (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misspelling and mistranscription of name 

message: The encyclopedic word for this is "Mosaic." "Torahic," "pentateuchal," or even "Halakhic" could fit as well, but Mosaic refers directly to the 613 commandments derived from the Law of Moses as recorded in the Torah. "Torahnical" is not a word. Cheeftun (talk) 04:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done Wording has been changed by a different editor, but not in the suggested way. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!  22:29, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "torahnical"