Talk:Alice Auma

message: I am assuming that by quoting Holy Spirit Movement material included in the Behrend book, I am not infringing on a copyright.  Hopefully, it's akin to akin to quoting a speech by Jefferson that's in a social studies textbook in that the Jefferson speech is public property.  I'm new to Wikipedia posting and would appreciate some feedback on this. BanyanTree 04:16, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

message: Does anyone know why the images are not appearing correctly now? They appeared correctly before the last revision, but the last revision did not change anything related to the images. bethenco 11:33, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The images (book cover and map) look fine to me. - BanyanTree 15:41, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I am changing the category from Christian eschatology to Christian movements.  I don't see what this article has to do with the end-times.  208.20.251.27 21:14, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not eschatology 

message: Quite a few sources including the economist linked here, lay out the case that Auma was quite insane and some of her policies (a prohibition against guns in some cases) lead to the defeat of her "army" I don't see that represented here, in act it seems to imply that she really was inhabited by spirits. I don't think the facts really suport this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjbonacolta (talk • contribs) 04:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think words like "purportedly channeled" make it clear that Auma was a self-styled spirit medium. There have not been any critical studies done on Auma's mental sanity that I am aware of. While I 'personally' look at religion of all sorts as a form of insanity, I do not think to label her crazy is appropriate. Would you make the case for the article on Pope John Paul II to say that he was insane? -- Thaths (talk) 17:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The economist atricle in the external link says that her family did say that she went insane. Rjbonacolta (talk) 10:16, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The words "family" and "insane" do not occur in that article, and I don't see anything in that article that can be read as a family member saying she went went insane.  Could you be specific about what you're reading to support your statement? - BanyanTree 10:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

text: The complete Economist article is unavailable to me because it is "premium content" which I have to pay to view. And as such, it should probably not be listed in the article anyway. I wondered how similar questions of the subject's sanity were dealt with in other Wikipedia articles. Joan of Arc has no mention of her potential insanity. It does have a section with a critical treatment about causes for Joan's visions. A sub-section in the article with well-cited information about the subject's mental condition is fine. But writing her off as insane is simplistic. -- Thaths (talk) 19:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's never been clear to me why subscription links are so taboo and, for example, mentioning books, which also cost time/money are OK, especially since The Economist is one of the only sources listed that gets the difference between Lakwena and Auma right.  Otherwise, I agree with the content-directed portion of your post. - BanyanTree 21:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crazy 

message: This artical contained violations of the Wikipedia policies on neutrality and verification.
One case was the assumption that a woman who emerges childless from two marriages is infertile.  Lacking a formal fertility test, the statement needed to be removed.
Additionally, the activities of Alice Auma's "possessing spirit" were written without the obvious qualification that Alice was the only person to describe them.
The statement that Alice "was reportedly possessed by a spirit, Lakwena" is unacceptable - it is only Alice who could have reported this.  In addition to which, on the day in question she was said to be unable to speak.  Therefore at best, after a day on which she was unable to speak, Alice claimed she had been possessed by a spirit.
The statement that "Lakwena left Alice" was non-neutral, and could only rely on statements made by Alice for verification.
Mattd73uk (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-neutral stance 

message: Just a quick google, but I can't find anything about this online, and specific quotes turn up nothing. Anyone have any ideas on where I can find any textual version?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.8.182.115 (talk) 22:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tale of Paraa? 

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