Talk:The Cantos

message: A. A. Live man goes down into world of dead. 
C. B. 'The repeat in history.' 
B. C. The 'magic moment' or moment of metamorphosis, bust through from quotidian into 'divine or permanent world.' Gods, etc. 
I don't understand these letters. Rich Farmbrough 12:49, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACB/ABC 

message: Cantos I – XVI  "whose war memories the poem includes a passage from (in French)." From what, exactly?   Rich Farmbrough 13:00, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ehm.. Missing title? 

message: User:Hippopotamus left a note at the new user log that relates to this article . I'll put this note here and on Talk:Ezra Pound. — Trilobite (Talk) 6 July 2005 15:17 (UTC)
:(Also posted on Talk:Ezra Pound.) Trilobite, I don't think Hippopotamus is alleging plagiarism, but simply proper use of his book, which he wants to see referenced. I've left a note on Hippopotamus' talk page, telling him that Filiocht is the author of The Cantos and also (I think) the main presence behind Ezra Pound. Filiocht is on holiday, but likely to return quite soon, so I asked if Hippopotamus would like to tell me more about it, so I can take care of referencing his work and anything else that arises, or would rather wait for Filiocht. Bishonen | talk 6 July 2005 16:37 (UTC)
(Main discussion over at Talk:Ezra Pound.) In case there was any doubt, I'd like to say here that I would not even think of accusing Filiocht of plagiarism, and was just passing on the message. — Trilobite (Talk) 19:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Someone left a note

message: I'm sure the detailed discussions of the sections are very erudite.  I'm not familiar with the poem, so I can't really say.  But the the introductary paragraphs lack a summary of what the poem is *about*.
Compare with articles on The Waste Land:
:dealing with the decline of civilization and the impossibility of recovering meaning in life.
or The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
:The poem itself tells the inner feelings of a man in love who realises that his aspirations and his outlook on life are much deeper than those of the rest of the people. He feels the need to stir those around him, to make them conscious of the seriousness of life and of their frivolity, but at the same time he fears being rejected and mocked. Another thematic element is the subject of ageing: the speaker contemplates his wearied heart (vis-à-vis the mornings and afternoons he has known), the repetitions inherent in life causing his physical deterioration (a bald spot, weak teeth making him fear food), and the consuming idea of an impending death.
I came to this article looking for a brief explanation of the subject or theme of the poem, and am still wondering... Jeffr 16:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs a better summary

message: Proposed language for the beginning paragraph of the controversy section pulled from User talk:Paul August:
:Sentence a) The Cantos always provoked controversy over the experimental nature of the writing but this intensified after 1940 when Pound's public approval for Mussolini's fascism became widely known. 
:Sentence b) Critical discussion of the poem has focused on the relationship between Pound's controversial beliefs (his economic thesis on usura, his anti-Semitism, his adulation of Confucian ideals of government and his attitude towards fascism) with passages of lyrical poetry and the historical scene-setting that he performed with his 'ideographic' technique. 
Justification: Tightens the language, removes the repetition of controversy, connects all the ideas together. For "b", the paranthesis emphasize the relationship of the topics while not confusing people with a long list that is separated by commas merging into a comparative clause that is separated by commas.
Ottava Rima (talk) 17:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the most part, the proposed new language is fine with me — with one caveat. I think that "Crtical discussion" needs to be quantified, otherwise the implication is that the majority of  "critical discussion" has focused on these points, which I doubt is the case, and certainly not what the original was saying. Would "considerable critical discussion" work for you? "significant"?  Although to my ear "much" sounds better than either of these. Otherwise, I think the tightening is good. Paul August ☎ 18:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

text: "However, the notion that a single Jew's opinion about Pound is sufficient to refute charges of anti-Semitism is questionable, if not repellent and offensive." Really? This consitutes "neutral point of view"? If you feel the need to moralize, please do so elsewhere.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.209.109 (talk) 20:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy section 

message: Another editor has suggested, on a disambiguation page, that the Rock-Drill section was inspired by Jacob Epstein's sculpture Rock Drill. Is that so? If so, can someone please add a citation and link? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's the story. Give me a few minutes to look through my books. Deor (talk) 11:18, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I was misremembering. Both Noel Stock and Hugh Kenner say that the title was taken from Wyndham Lewis's review of The Letters of Ezra Pound, so it wasn't directly inspired by Epstein's sculpture. I've adjusted the dab page accordingly and added a source for the titling to The Cantos#LXXXV–XCV (Section: Rock-Drill). Deor (talk) 12:06, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Since WL was friend of Epstein, that may still be a reference to the latter's work, but of course we'd need a source rather than my conjecture. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock-Drill 

message: I'm reading The Cantos, nearing the final sections. I just wanted to compliment the editors of this page for their very clear summaries. Outstanding work, helpful even to a long-time reader of EP's work. 173.88.37.133 (talk) 13:39, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compliments 

message: Hi! spelling is inconsistent (hagaromo / hagoromo). Not a pound scholar, so I won't correct it, but guessing this is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagoromo_(play). -- Abewinter (talk) 03:26, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  hagaromo / hagoromo