Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Sahaj Marg

message: Note. Sashwat may have limited availability for a little while. I am additionally considering recent responses and happenings before proceeding further. Please be patient. Vassyana 01:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

message: has suggested that reliable sources are lacking for the subject and that the article should be stubbed and merged with . 
#Are there enough reliable sources to verify the information presented?
#Are there enough secondary sources to avoid original research?
#Are there enough reliable sources to create a complete and neutral article?
#Would you agree or disagree with jossi's suggestion? Why?
===Responses===
# The majority of the information is from the organization's website and books by the group. There are next to no secondary sources used for this article. Hence, Sethie is wondering, if per WP:Notability the articles should be seriously shrinked?
# Sethie doesn't understand the question, Sethie's understanding is NOR is when a user posts their own opinion in an article. He is not aware of a connection between OR and Secondary sources?
# Yes.
# Sethie declines to comment. He feels like his wikiexperience gives him the capacity to look at sentences and apply policies one sentence at a time. There are at least three issues, WP:Notability, WP:RS, WP:NPOV in this decision and would preffer Sfacets or Jossi make this call, or to hear from  you. Both of them have so much more wiki experienceSethie 08:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Current circumstances

message: # The majority of the information is from the organization's website and books by the group. There are next to no secondary sources used for this article. Hence, Sethie is wondering, if per WP:Notability the articles should be seriously shrinked?
# Sethie doesn't understand the question, Sethie's understanding is NOR is when a user posts their own opinion in an article. He is not aware of a connection between OR and Secondary sources?
# Yes.
# Sethie declines to comment. He feels like his wikiexperience gives him the capacity to look at sentences and apply policies one sentence at a time. There are at least three issues, WP:Notability, WP:RS, WP:NPOV in this decision and would preffer Sfacets or Jossi make this call, or to hear from  you. Both of them have so much more wiki experienceSethie 08:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Responses

message: #Is there a previous version of the article that you believe was neutral and fair?
#What do you think most needs to be done to improve the article?
## Absolutely not. Sethie feels there were small portions of previous articles which could be re-incorporated.
## Hmmmm Sethie feels like the main loose end is how to connect the Sahaj Marg to the Shri Rama Chandra mission article. This however feels like a task Sethie doesn't wish to pursue, and let jossi or sfacets handle. Sethie 04:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: For Sethie

message: #What secondary sources are available?
#Are these all reliable sources?
#Are there enough views represented in the secondary sources to allow us to provide a neutral overview?
#What version of the article do you believe was neutral and fair?
1. There are few, for example   there are many more news paper reports and government listing which fall in catagory of secondary source.(can provide list of those article if needed, they were placed in article sometimes back need to go through archive) Primary source can also be used, but given the nature of the article and controvercies involved, only after much debate primary sources can be used as reference, as claims of different groups are somewhat contradictory !!
2.  Yes, WP:RS includes newspaper and government agencies reports. Reports of cult watch group's also fall in catagory of RS as it indciates Reliable sources are authors or publications regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand.
 
3.  WP:NPOV can be achieved only after an indepth debate between editor's involved. A POV can easily be a NPOV for most of the people involved (including me and maybe sethie as well). NPOV is subject to discussion and subsequent conclusion's drown from those discussion's. Achieving a NPOV is the most difficult task at hand, as it requires lot of discussions between involved parties and mutual respect to various POV's irrespective of the varience in POV's.
4. Barring few claims this  version was fairly balanced, referenced and in accordence with most of the wiki policies. We can start working from here and come to a conclusion after discussion with all parties involved.--Shashwat pandey 11:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: For Sashwat