Template talk:Genesis

message: I believe the usual format for band templates is to have all current members at the top, and everyone else in the second row (or more if needed).  If that's the case, wouldn't it be proper to only have Collins/Banks/Rutherford in the top row of this template?  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 14:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but are you sure that all three of them consider themselves to be "members of Genesis" today?  Yes, they are doing a tour, but the way they discussed it seemed to be that this was a great idea after the five-piece reunion tour fell through.  They didn't talk like "members of a band". — Lawrence King (talk) 15:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree that only Collins, Banks and Rutherford should be listed at the top.  They are the current incarnation of the band, no matter what language they use. Rhindle The Red 21:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who's on the top row? 

message: Anyone else think Mr. Bruford should be listed on the template as well? He did tour with them in '76, and appears on Seconds Out. Robotman1974 07:24, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bill Bruford

message: Why isn't "Many Too Many" listed as an EP?  It was a 7-inch three-song release, just like 3 X 3. — Lawrence King (talk) 04:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you sure it's not a maxi single?. Anyway... there are several rare EP's in the likes of that. The best solution would to just list a Rare and sum all of 'em in one article. Here's a list that include the rare EP's. http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/genesis   Mini ahlin (talk) 05:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: About Many Too Many, there is a slight chance that that 7" i in 45 rpm and I know that 3 X 3 is in 33 rpm. That's usually a sign whether or not a 7" is a single or EP. However there's still exceptions where singles has been in 33 rpm and still haven't been EPs. The definitions is vague but I haven't seen Many Too Many as ever being listed as EP before even though it has 3 songs. Mini ahlin (talk) 05:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Many Too Many'' EP 

message: Shouldn't this template include a list of their non-live videography, given that said videos have their own articles? Kouban (talk) 16:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videography 

message: Anthony Drennan was never formally a member of Genesis.  There is currently a dispute between myself and User:212.159.124.39 about where he should be listed on this template.
* Drennan played on the Calling All Stations studio album, which would seem to justify listing him in the "Additional Studio Personnel" section of this template.  This section includes other studio album contributors such as Zidkyahu and D'Virgilio.
* Drennan also played live on the CAS tour, which would seem to justify listing him in the "Touring Musicians" section of this template.  This section includes other touring musicians such as Bruford, Thompson, Stuermer, and Zidkyahu.
So the question is, do we list him under "Additional Studio Personnnel", "Touring Musicians," or both?
I prefer both, because he really was both, and Zidkyahu is similarly listed in both categories already.  Based on his edits, it appears that 212.159.124.39 prefers that Drennan be listed under "Touring musicians" only.  Does anyone else want to weigh in?  Otherwise the vote will be one-to-one. — Lawrence King (talk) 00:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, my bad.  Apparently Drennan did not play on the studio album, and therefore 212.159.124.39's edits were right and I was wrong to oppose them.  Sorry! — Lawrence King (talk) 00:48, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing Anthony Drennan twice 

message: I reverted an edit that moved Mick Barnard from a band member to "touring musician".  Here's why that doesn't fit the Wikipedia standards:
(1)  It is true that Mick Barnard does not play on any Genesis studio albums.  But this does not disqualify him.  Band articles on Wikipedia routinely list members who did not play on studio albums -- for example, Pete Best and Stuart Sutcliffe have always been listed as past members on the The Beatles article.
(2)  The very concept of a "touring musicians" subcategory was invented for Genesis, and Genesis alone, because Genesis in 1976 decided to have adjunct band members who would tour with them and have no other role in the band.  Bruford, Thompson, and Stuermer have never appeared on studio albums, have never written any songs with the band (or even been present in the studio while the band was writing songs), etc.  This category was invented in 1976 and therefore it can't apply to pre-1976 Genesis.
(3) Mick Barnard was only in the band for two and a half months.  But during that time, he was a member of the band in every sense.  He wrote music with them (by Banks' own statement, MB wrote a small bit of "The Musical Box") and did everything else the band members did during that time.
So he is indeed a former member of Genesis, even if he's not a particularly memorable one. — Lawrence King (talk) 00:51, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mick Barnard's status 

message: A recent editor deleted the  "Additional Touring Musicians" section from the template.  I have restored it, because if you read the Talk page above, it is clear that up to now the consensus of editors has been to include this material.
It is true that not many other bands have such a section.  But Genesis, for three decades, has included the extra touring personnel in its publicity photos, in commercial posters, and even on the covers of its albums.  In my judgment that makes them notable enough to be included on the template.
Other views? — Lawrence King (talk) 17:55, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Including the "Additional Touring Musicians" 

message: I feel both Simon Collins and Sound of Contact should be listed on the template due to their associations with Genesis. Simon is Phil Collins' son, has worked with Steve Hackett and Nick D'Virgilio professionally (provided vocals on Hackett's Genesis Revisited II album), has covered "Keep It Dark," and will be performing numerous Genesis songs on his upcoming tour with his band, Sound of Contact. Simon has traveled with the band for much of his life and is closely connected to each of its members. Sound of Contact's other co-founder, Dave Kerzner, worked with Genesis professionally on their 2007 Turn It On Again Tour and met Simon during Genesis' rehearsals. Both Collins and Kerzner will also be appearing at two of Steve Hackett's shows in September, and Hackett may potentially return the favor at one of Sound of Contact's shows to perform songs from the Genesis songbook. In addition, their debut album, Dimensionaut, was mixed by Genesis' producer, Nick Davis. I think the two aforementioned articles should be listed on this template somewhere. Vuzor (talk) 07:21, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Simon Collins]] and [[Sound of Contact]] 

message: Should we add a section for Other songs, such as "Anything She Does" and "Behind the Lines"?  GoingBatty (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure this would be helpful.  Personally, I don't use template links when the templates get too long.  Are you thinking of a link for every Genesis song that has its own Wikipedia page? — Lawrence King (talk) 01:09, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other songs