Talk:Terran Federation (Starship Troopers)

message: The result of the VFD can be found here: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Terran Federation -- AllyUnion (talk) 04:43, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  VFD Result 

message: Hi guys, I love Starship Troopers. I added Scotland as the origin locality for the federation. Also I'd like to make some more edits at a later date, would like to discuss it with whoever else is showing an active editing phase in the article. Ryan4314 15:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scotland 

message: I finished my proposed rewrite guys, please can we discuss it first if anyone thinks it needs reverting.
Most obviously I thinned down the "Military" section, but my mindset when doing this was "make it understandable for people who haven't read the book" as people who have will already know this stuff.
You'll remember that Neodogs are referred to as being as smart as a human moron in the book, I didn't want to use a more politically correct, up to date term like Learning Disability as the two things are different. And I didn't want to put the word Moron in the article and then someone who undoubtedly knows very little about the context of the word will give a Knee-Jerk reaction, delete article, get FBI computer anti-terrorism on me, electric chair! So I went to the Moron (psychology) article and found out that the word was a scientific term when the book was written, meaning IQ of an 8-12 yr old kid. I tried explaining all this in the article, but it didn't sound very good so I just cut out the middle man. Ryan4314 12:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neodogs as smart as "Morons" and June 2007 rewrite 

message: Hi guys, I'm gonna trial "removal of the controversy section", don't worry I've merged all the info from it into the rest of the article. I felt this article should only be about the fictional government, not the controversy surrounding the book that can be found on the book's main page. I'm also considering moving all the stuff about federal service out of the government section and adding it to a new "Federal Service" section, then beefing up the government section. Let me know what y'all think, cheers Ryan4314 04:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of the controversy section 

message: Twice recently an unregistered user has altered the 5000 in "approx 5000 years in the future" to 500, so here's the proof it's not 500. Not only does it say "approx 5000 years" mentioned in the blurb on the back (Hodder & Stoughton edition) but Juan Rico says in the book... 
"We've been doing it, with changes in weapons but very little change in our trade, at least since the five thousand years ago when the foot sloggers of Sargon the Great forced the Sumerians to cry Uncle." 
Well that was in the year 2333 – 2279 BC, which means the book is set in the year 3000 AD at least. Now I'll concede that I'd rather trust the book over the publishers blurb, However I left the article at 5000 years in the future untill I found more evidence that stated otherwise (Like why would the publishers get the number wrong?). In fact I only found that bit about Sargon the Great 2 days ago on a reread. I would much appreciate if others would contribute to this discussion please Ryan4314 21:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been changed to 500 hundred again, I'm assuming this is sock-puppetry. I'm gonna change it to a 1000 as stated above. But it's definitely not 500 yrs. Ryan4314 03:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to quibble, but the book text supports a date of approx. 2700 AD. And if the "five thousand" was a rounding up from "forty eight hundred" then that would be 2500 AD. (Or if it was a rounding down from "fifty three hundred" then it would be 3000 AD.) So 500 to 1000 years in the future is supportable - but certainly not 5,000 years in the future. Sbowers3 (talk) 21:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  5000 years in the future 

message: It has been mentioned that the Mobile Infantry are the Marines not the Army. Robert A. Heinlein said it himself. General Mannino (talk) 02:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's mentioned numerous times in the book that the M.I. are part of the army i.e. Just after Juan enrols, the recruiting sergeant says to him "'A good choice'? Son, it's the only choice. The Mobile Infantry is the Army." Ryan4314  (talk) 17:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhh yeah. That's what I said. --UNSC Trooper (talk) 16:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: the M.I is a branch that fits somewhere between the Marines and the Army. Ryan4314  (talk) 17:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It still means that they're Army, dude. It just so happens I was reading an invalid source when I made that statement. --UNSC Trooper (talk) 14:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you should just read the book next time, if you'd done that it probably would've stopped you from making your earlier mistake regarding "Terrorist Activity". Ryan4314  (talk) 11:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marines '''NOT''' Army 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support. Agree that the unqualified name should be a disambig... there are already three articles to disambiguate, and such an obvious name will doubtless have many more uses in various Sci Fi fictional universes. Andrewa (talk) 01:03, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I think it might be a good idea to make a "Citizens Federation" Section, since it does not have a article of it's own.
It could show how the Terran Federation from the novel, witch is patterned after the Roman republic, differs from the Citizen's Federation from the Movies, witch is patterned after a Fascist Dictatorship (Namely Nazi Germany). Henshin86 (talk) 17:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of the Citizens Federation