Talk:Garda Public Order Unit

message: , please see the link for disupted versions. And talk it out here, thanks. Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs)☺ 14:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content disagreement 

message: LP
(cur) (prev)  16:11, 20 March 2009 Lapsed Pacifist (talk | contribs) (1,483 bytes) (I can be happy with either word; please sort out between you which is less offensive to you) (undo)
(cur) (prev)  11:17, 19 March 2009 Falcon9x5 (talk | contribs) (1,486 bytes) (... police use "force", not "violence" (though violence could be used for excessive force
This is a revision history showing you agreeing to either wording.  Please stop being deliberately contentious.GainLine ♠ 21:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be happy with either word, as long as they're used consistently; you're not doing that. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 21:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm happy with either the use of the word force, or violence; what I'm unhappy with is the hypocritical use of one term for one side, and another for the other side. Especially in instances where only one side is using violence. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 21:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

text: WP:SOAPBOX is the policy you're looking for! =) Thanks! Fin©™ 11:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

text: After dozens of hospitalisations of activists over the past two years, not one police officer has received so much as a reprimand. There is ample video evidence of the disproportionate police violence, but don't hold your breath for disciplinary action. The protesters also have a right to self-defense; however, if they exercise it, they are risking serious prison time. Most of the violence is/was used in place of the power of arrest, not as an aid to it; Superintendent Joe Gannon admitted this openly in an interview. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 14:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm detecting a lack of engagement on your part, GL. It's been over a week since my last comment and you've made no reply. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 17:26, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

text: That user has made no attempt to reply to my reply, and certainly doesn't seem to know much about the Mayo operation. Your edit summary implied I had made no attempt to engage on this talk page; on the contrary, it is you who sees "no need for further engagement." The Ombudsman Commission formally requested to be allowed to conduct a review into how the Shell to Sea protests are policed; two successive Justice Ministers have refused to allow this. There is ample documentary evidence of the police violence; libel doesn't come into it at all. Passion doesn't come into it either; when young men hospitalise women and old men, they should expect their deeds to be highlighted. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 17:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Young men openly and apparently legally hospitalising old men and brutalising women is unusual enough in northwest County Mayo to warrant a bit of highlighting, I reckon. If POU activities are not to be described on this page, then where do you suggest? I'm fine with losing the adverb. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 19:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I said I was happy with losing the adverb. I'm not convinced that the POU's operations don't merit a mention in its article. It is still a stub. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 11:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

text: You write: "...as force is a euphemism for violence I believe it is ample on its own...". So are you suggesting we only describe rioters as people using "force", that we forbid the use of the term "violence" as it may be pejorative? I'm not sure we should encourage the use of euphemisms. I don't understand why a policeman acting violently would seem to be rioting to you (see Riot: "A riot is a form of civil disorder characterized by disorganized groups lashing out in a sudden and intense rash of violence, vandalism or other crime.") The POU are certainly not disorganised. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 15:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I could live with this version. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 06:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I should do, I'll have a look. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 08:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Force V. Violence

message: Is the bit on the deployment to a halting site notable? They have been deployed at much more notable incidents than this eg, Finglas Patricks Day 2008 and Travellers Riot in Mullingar 2008 are 2 which spring to mind as well as a few football matches that I cant be specific with offhand. GainLine ♠ 13:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure it is. I've never heard of the incident. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 15:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Halting Site Notable?

message: I've made a good few changes.
New approach on description of activity to overcome the Force V Violence row.
Change titles and inclusion of tactics and equipment.
Linking in with Riot Squad articles  & Dublin Riots 2006.
Addition of Photo of Unit in operation (could only find on on commons so its same as the 2006 riots article) moved the pic of the s2s protester into the critics section.  I'm hoping LP will be able to come up with a photo of them in operation there.
Added info to n0table operations.
GainLine ♠ 13:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks better now, well done. Police,Mad,Jack ☺ 15:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Rejig