Talk:Meles Zenawi

message: Hi, I'm working with The Pulitzer Center, a non-profit journalism agency geared towards providing audience to underrepresented news stories.  I'd like to link this page to a related articles on the Pulitzer site; http://www.pulitzercenter.org/showproject.cfm?id=29 concerning US and Ethiopian relations,  Please let me know if I can post these links.  Many thanks in advance. Blendus 20:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Link

message: I have added the templates for "Needs Attention" and "Neutral Point of View."  Gyrofrog 18:48, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed POV content (which bordered on vandalism).  Thus I'm removing the "Needs Attention" and "Neutral Point of View" templates.  Also added link to EPRDF article. Gyrofrog 00:36, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs Attention/POV

message: I have reverted this article, thus removing the edit submitted by 149.99.45.38 at 00:02, 25 Jan 2005.  Note that this is very similar to the edit submitted by 192.30.202.9 at 23:09, 14 Jan 2005, so it's happened before and I'm afraid it will probably happen again.  (See my  edit under "Needs Attention/POV.")
I am giving this person (or persons) the benefit of the doubt by not considering this to be outright vandalism, since it actually does pertain to the subject of the article.  (If anyone thinks I am being overly generous in this regard, please let me know.)  I was actually ambivalent about deleting the entire edit, because it might not actually be vandalism.
However I am not so tolerant or generous that I would bother cleaning up the inflammatory epithets, POV, and multiple errors of grammar and spelling just to "balance" the article's POV.  If the person(s) who submitted this edit would get a username, refrain from using descriptions such as "Uncle Tom," and engage the other users here at the discussion page, than I might feel differently. Gyrofrog 19:32, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Borderline vandalism

message: Asking to see if I'm the only one, but when viewing this discussion page, the "article" tab at the top says "progpaganda" and when viewing the article it says "trash". siafu 05:35, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see it.  I even tried changing different display skins. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 06:03, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Oddity

message: I have a feeling the person messing up with this article is from Ethiopia. I can't even believe someone would raise such a childish topic that the guy is not circumcised. I really hated this kind of thinking, really backward and i am not trying to be an elitist here. I am from Kenya, and let me tell you, most of my fellow Kenya's are completely brain dead. Basically, there are prepared to vote in a murderer, if the only other option is circumcised man. I have never fugured that out
In his book Globalization and its discontent,  page 27 Stiglitz says the guy is trained as a doctor, but have also put a lot of hours to formally learn economics. For those who are asking what he intends to do for the poor, look elsewhere please. I think that question should be directed to IMF. According to Stiglitz, and i quote "Meles showed that, with the right policies in place, even a poor African countries could experience sustained growth. After years of war and rebuilding, international assistance was beginning to return to the country. But Meles was having problems with IMF" end of quote.
See IMF suspended its programs in Ethiopea because of actions that they guy took to mitigate poverty. For example, he paid up a loan to an American bank early. His reasoning was, since the interest the government was earning from reserve was less than the interest the govenment was paying for the loan, why not use the government reserve to pay up the US bank loan immediately. Very sound financial decision. Believe it or not, this was one of the reason to can the Enhanced structural Adjustment facilities program. This is not in Stiglitz book, but my guess is, IMF was not happy because when the loan was cleared asap, the US bank lost a chance to earn a comfortable interest
This book is full incidents like this. Brother, before you go nailing this guy, look for "Globalization and its discontent" and you will find yourself looking at the world in a completely different perspective. The world is more complicated than it seem on first look. I was like you sometimes back.
: Thanks for your comments, interesting stuff.  Well, unfortunately, it seems that the perpetrator would rather post his comments directly in the article rather than here on the Talk page (well, I take that back, he did post one comment further up the page, but not very useful, certainly doesn't justify what he put in the article).  I myself am not a big fan of Meles, but I would never write that sort of comment about anyone (at least not in Wikipedia).  FWIW the same person was also messing up the Ogaden article (well, someone with the same IP address, anyway). -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 23:23, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd -Joseph E. Stiglitz seem to think he is a great man 

message: The current version of the article contains the line "Mr. Zenawi true autocratic leadership style - long known to Ethiopians - is being revealed to the rest of the world."  This is biased unsourced commentary and I would appreciate it if someone would find a NPOV rewording. - BanyanTree 21:27, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the line; there are other assertions in the article that cite  references and the reader should be able to draw his or her own conclusions. I'm still thinking about the remainder of the paragraph. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 21:38, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've gone ahead and removed that as well. I reverted to this version following some vandalism earlier today. The same editor of the version to which I reverted had gone on to make another edit that could be considered vandalism . Taken together I'm not sure any of these edits were made in god faith, and I should have reverted to an earlier revision. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 21:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Gyrofrog, Thanks for your edits.  That certainly removes the "Zenawi is a ravening power hungry dictator" POV that I was talking about, but now this version veers towards apologism with its "aw shucks, he's a good man doing a hard job" ending.  I suppose that this version is better than the other, but hopefully it'll balance out over time.  Cheers, BanyanTree 21:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, sorry about that, but I didn't want to leave it as it was. FWIW, while it was probably inteneded to balance out the tone of the preceding paragraphs, the "pro-Meles" paragraph does not cite any references. Rather than whacking the paragraph, though, I think the entire article could use a rewrite (which I don't have time for just now). In the meantime I'll just watch for additional PoV edits. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 22:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Should'nt there be a little list of pm at the bottom? —the preceding comment is by 69.116.155.49 - 22:16, 25 February 2006: Please sign your posts!
:Do you mean a list of Prime Ministers? I think that would be quite a short list; has anyone else actually served under that title?  -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 22:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should'nt there be a little list of pm at the bottom? 

message: Its clear to see that this entire article was created by and is maintained by Herr Zenawi's internet soldiers. There is a vast gap in knowledge about the prime minister. His biography starts not with his birth but with his completion of courses at the open university. the rest of the article is filled with talking points directly from the EPRDF. This article is heavily biased in favor of the prime minister. There is no mention except in the criticism area about the genocide of the Anauk community in 2003, the violence of the 2005 elections, the mass arrests and torture of opponents during and after the 2005 election and the intimidation and discrepancies of the 2010 election. Something has to be done to bring this article up to snuff with the truth out there available on the internet.
===anuak===
please explain in detail
===Anuak Genocide?===
In the above article on Meles Zenawi, there is a section entitled Anuak genocide which seems to be dealing with the civil unrest and massacre which took place in the Gambella region of Ethiopia in the month of December 2003. My question is this: who declared it a genocide? What is the writer's reference in stating what happened was a genocide? 
An act or disturbance, according to the 1948 genocide convention, has to fulfill a set of strict criteria to be labeled a genocide.  Labeling an act a genocide requires a deliberate and thorough investigation  as it invariably entails an intervention by the U.N and all signatories to the Convention. While the events of December, 2003( Gambella) are sufficiently well documented and known to be a civil disturbance in which many Anuaks died, they have not been labeled a genocide by any authority or agency. 
Secondly, I am still wondering what this has to do in Meles Zenawi's biographical article. The December,2003 civil disturbance in Gambella were NOT instigated by Meles Zenawi.It can be mentioned it happened on his watch, but in its present form in the Meles article, is very misleading. This is an issue, I believe, which should have its own expanded entry elsewhere- of course- with a referencing and documentation up to Wikipedia's standards.
--Ironinmohscale 12:06, Dec.15,2006
::I am going ahead and changing the title "Anuak genocide" which is historically inaccurate and misleading to the "Gambella incident" which probably is nondescript until we get a better title.The latter may be neutral but does not suggest any historical inaccuracies.  --Ironinmohscale 12:21, December, 2006
::In fact I am deleting the section altogether as theres little that is relevant to Meles in any form.--Ironinmohscale 12:35, December, 2006
:::The section is important. To delete it would be POV (which the article already is, anyway). Amnesty international is who called it genocide, btw. I am restoring the section. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 20:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: this entire article

message: In the above article on Meles Zenawi, there is a section entitled Anuak genocide which seems to be dealing with the civil unrest and massacre which took place in the Gambella region of Ethiopia in the month of December 2003. My question is this: who declared it a genocide? What is the writer's reference in stating what happened was a genocide? 
An act or disturbance, according to the 1948 genocide convention, has to fulfill a set of strict criteria to be labeled a genocide.  Labeling an act a genocide requires a deliberate and thorough investigation  as it invariably entails an intervention by the U.N and all signatories to the Convention. While the events of December, 2003( Gambella) are sufficiently well documented and known to be a civil disturbance in which many Anuaks died, they have not been labeled a genocide by any authority or agency. 
Secondly, I am still wondering what this has to do in Meles Zenawi's biographical article. The December,2003 civil disturbance in Gambella were NOT instigated by Meles Zenawi.It can be mentioned it happened on his watch, but in its present form in the Meles article, is very misleading. This is an issue, I believe, which should have its own expanded entry elsewhere- of course- with a referencing and documentation up to Wikipedia's standards.
--Ironinmohscale 12:06, Dec.15,2006
::I am going ahead and changing the title "Anuak genocide" which is historically inaccurate and misleading to the "Gambella incident" which probably is nondescript until we get a better title.The latter may be neutral but does not suggest any historical inaccuracies.  --Ironinmohscale 12:21, December, 2006
::In fact I am deleting the section altogether as theres little that is relevant to Meles in any form.--Ironinmohscale 12:35, December, 2006
:::The section is important. To delete it would be POV (which the article already is, anyway). Amnesty international is who called it genocide, btw. I am restoring the section. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 20:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anuak Genocide?

message: Since the Eritrea paragraph seems to be presenting Eritrea as the sole perpetrator in the problems that Ethiopia and Eritrea have had since Eritrean independence, I think it should be mentioned that Meles Zenawi's regime expelled at least 3,000 and according to Amnesty International estimates 50,000 Eritrean citizens of Ethiopia during the Eritrean-Ethiopian war due to their heritage. "CBC News"
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Badme is Eritrean territory and not Ethiopian according to an UN boundary commission. Thus I shall remove anything stating the contrary. --82.156.100.120 14:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be far more productive if you simply discussed why you think the contrary is wrong. If you announce to one & all that you will revert edits you disagree with, you will find yourself in the end banned from editting Wikipedia. There is nothing wrong with being enthusiastic over what you believe, only in how you express that enthusiasm. Please try again. -- llywrch 01:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eritrea

message: In line three of the third paragraph in the Interim to PM section of this article it calls the police force illiterate. While I don't know for sure if they are or not, it's not relevant in the context it's used in. Just wanted to point that out. Thanks.--Ryan 15:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Whats up with the edit war. Also see Wikipedia:Footnotes for the format needed for footnotes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Halaqah (talk • contribs) 09:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war discuss here

message: Is this propaganda or is there any founding to it?
"Also according to RAND corporation, several Al-Qaeda fugitives had "found sanctuary in Somalia" and exploited the lack of government.Al-qaeda in Somalia There were also several Al-Qaeda operatives identified in southern Somalia. Al-qaeda operatives in SomaliaDespite Western interest to solve the problems in Somalia, RAND claims that world powers have failed to practiced their will, particularly in financing the peacekeepings and humanitarian assistance. In addition other analysts have identified documents and Al-Qaeda letters to increase their involvement in Somalia.Al-Qaeda letter for Somalia" Somnabot 15:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's been widely alleged that al-Qaeda members are in Somalia, but exactly what this means is not clear. And I doubt that RAND would explicitly state unequivocally that "world powers have failed to practiced their will, particularly in financing the peacekeepings and humanitarian assistance". There's alot in this article that needs pruning out or reworking; at the moment, this reads more like an official biography, rather than a useful Wikipedia article. -- llywrch 20:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this propaganda? 

message: I was wondering whether or not someone should add the part where the opposition members of the government were charged with multiple crimes, and sentenced to life in prison. This present article presents Meles as a saint, while in fact he is basically another African dictator who crushes dissent and any opposition to his government. -- User talk:yardalhirji 14:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You should read Criticism & scandals section if you enjoy making Meles look like "another african dictator"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.27.125 (talk) 15:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Prisoners 

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: While some discussion of his policies is inevitable, this is supposed to be an account of Zenawi's life, not an exhaustive listing of his actions while in office. I suggest serious cuts, plus toning down of POV (which is present) and grammar fixes. Biruitorul 21:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The Teaching history subsection, in particular, seems better suited for History of Ethiopia (though not as written). Frankly it seems like the text was shoehorned in to make a point. The single citation doesn't corroborate the sentence to which it is attached, though it does back up the previous sentence. If it can be better attributed, and the PoV toned down, then it really belongs in another article - the TPLF is mentioned but there's nothing specifically about Meles. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 13:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Likewise, school expansion as well as the aformentioned section might be better suited for Education in Ethiopia than this article. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 16:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Gyrofrog, you told me to move my discussion here from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gyrofrog#Question_2  Anyway, in my other explanation, i think i fully described the reason to you why it is one of the most important aspect of his party's identity. (Let me know if you still don't understand why it is important) Anyhow if there are any references that disprove that quote, you should bring it. Though i doubt one would easily find online info for African affairs, if someone finds additional reference, that someone can add it anytime. Until then, that important info shouldn't be removed. If you want, i think you should and you can label it "[dubious – discuss]". But the quote is too important to leave out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.27.125 (talk) 13:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The quote is from a blog, which is not a reliable source. If you can't find an exact quotation then you should not include the quote. I don't see the use in tagging a quotation with  (or similar) when we've already established that we don't have a reliable source for the quote. As for the section itself, if the information is specifically pertinent to Meles Zenawi then it needs to be rewritten. As it currently reads, though, it is out-of-place in this article. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 13:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  P.S. As the person adding the quote, the burden of verification is on you. You don't have to take my word for it; I see that another editor has already reverted your edit. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 14:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Far too long

message: Emotions run way too high among editors who have contributed to this article.  Someone without ties to the region should rewrite the many NPOV-violating sections. --NEMT (talk) 00:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: Is "Meles" his surname, or is it "Zenawi"? I'm not familiar with Ethiopian names. Josh (talk) 03:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, he doesn't have a surname, per se: see WP:ETHM#Proper names. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: His name

message: What we Tigreans use to refer to any one from Tigray is the word TIGREAN
An we say He is a Tigrean.They are Tigreans.I am writing this to show the 
correct spelling of the word used to call someone who is from Tigray.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.193.12.61 (talk) 17:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word used to refer to people of Tigray origin. 

message: The article isn't bad, but the lead is far too short, and whole sections do not have a single reference, when generally what is sought is at least two per paragraph. Changing some of the paragraphs so that therer are fewer really short paragraphs would probably help a lot as well. John Carter (talk) 13:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: Apparently, rumors abound regarding the supposed death of Meles Zenawi. The government has only acknowledged that he has been ill. () Meanwhile, over the past few hours there has been a flurry of activity on this article, changing it to indicate (without sources) that Meles Zenawi has died followed by reverts to change it back.  (I've noticed that the date and/or cause of supposed death changes with each series of edits.)  If this keeps up then we may have to protect the page. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 03:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and semi-protected the page for 3 days. As of this writing, the news media is reporting only that the subject has been ill. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 05:28, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

text: The government is scheduled to hold a press conference concerning the PM's health on Wed. July 18, at 3 PM local time (UTC+3). Perhaps then we'll have better information for updating this article.  (Also recall that there were similar rumors about the health of Girma Woldegiorgis a few months ago – so much for rumors.) -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 22:04, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Also Al Jazeera, AP, Yahoo, etc.  It's confirmed.  Added to article. --Activism1234 06:07, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purported death 

message: There was a misleading information, which appears to be a deliberate one, posted about the death of Meles Zenawi. Can the editor come out and say why the wrong news, or apologize to all affected. If it was a deliberate one, wikipedia has the responsibility to let all Ethiopians know who is behind.
74.62.115.77 (talk) 22:41, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you are requesting. What is it that you think is misleading?  Currently, the article does not say that the Prime Minister has died, because (as of this writing) there are no credible reports that say he has died (see also: WP:V, WP:BLP).  What the news reports have said (again, as of this writing) is that the Prime Minister has been ill, and that some observers have speculated he is dead. The Wikipedia article reflects this. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 22:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 17 July 2012 

message: As there is a nomination for posting this article at ITN, perhaps we can identify and resolve any POV issues (if they still exist) and remove the neutrality tag that seems to be here since May 2008. Chocolate Horlicks (talk) 07:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As I mentioned on the related discussion at Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#.5BPosted.5DEthiopian_PM_dies (at WP:ITN/C for 21 August 2012) I have removed the neutrality tag.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:11, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove neutrality tag ? 

message: "his government has also come under criticism including for repression of the Oromo people and for failure to capitalize on the military victory in the Eritrean–Ethiopian War."
I think there is a better way to summerize this, he was not only known for oppressing Oromo people, would it not be better to summerize his oppression and the claims of human rights violation and political repression in a broader way.? I also checked an the failure to capitalize is not a notable point which is lead material, true or false no serious RS are discussing this. --Inayity (talk) 08:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have modified that bit to make it clear that he was accused of human rights violations, and added a source.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  This could be better in the Lead 

message: I am not sure how to categorize this issue but the tone and the entire content seems like it needs some work. Please have a look.--Inayity (talk) 10:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give any specifics?  Examples?--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Does not seem like a wikipedia tone, almost an Op Ed, "These were just the beginning of the opposition to Meles Zenawi's EPRDF party after it gained power and more strong opposition followed" thats why I asked, is it just me or does it need some work.--Inayity (talk) 13:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I agree some bits don't sound very encyclopedic.  The article may need a bit of cleaning up bit by bit.  It may just be that parts of the article were written by non-native speakers of English.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prime Minister of Ethiopia section needs expert attention 

message: This article is becoming too long to read, as it is primarily about his political career. I don't know which detail is unnecessary, even when this person is recently dead. Either splitting off portions into a new page or condensing this article is enough for general readers. However, we are discussing a former Prime Minister from Ethiopia, and it's not like Barack Obama, is it? Anyway, I could care less about this person because I have not done a trip to Ethiopia. Perhaps someone interested can help out? --George Ho (talk) 05:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This PM was an extremely important world leader, not as much as Obama perhaps, but very important. --Activism1234 05:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at Presidency of Bill Clinton. Maybe we can propose splitting content into Premiership of Meles Zenawi, right? --George Ho (talk) 11:20, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Split off as its much too long. Obama;s page is irrelevant to this, just cause hes a US prez doesnt men anything. Zenawi's conenthat is sourced and notable should be kept.Lihaas (talk) 23:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Support Split.--Inayity (talk) 12:14, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting off this article? 

message: "He also said that since this was how the nationalities were before colonization, ethnicity was the language they understood best."
This unsourced quote is attributed to Zenawi. Ethiopia was never colonized. Zenawi, like most Ethiopians, was well versed in Ethiopian history. This sentence should be removed from the article.
::Done. The section is also poorly referenced and poorly written.--Inayity (talk) 07:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before Colonialism? 

message: Why does the article include any info about his death and funeral, although every detail is given?Egeymi (talk) 18:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to add any info that you feel is left out, as long as it's properly referenced. --Activism1234 18:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Funeral has not yet been scheduled, for one. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 09:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illness and death 

message: A lot of unsourced content was recently removed.
It's hard to imagine all of this was made up.  Therefore, I moved the removed content to a subpage of mine, where editors can feel free to add references to it, and then reinsert that passage into the article.
Hope it helps. --Activism1234 23:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt it was made up and was awaiting a South Sudan reaction, for one. BUT IT was unsourced and shouldnt be on till hen. I did keep the sourced one (Gebreselassie)Lihaas (talk) 23:43, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reactions to Zenawi's death 

message: The topic of ethnic federalism as applied in Ethiopia could be spun off into a separate article. There have been various papers and at least one book-length academic compilation published on the topic.--A12n (talk) 11:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it, I also think his 21 long years as PM (leader) could get a sep article, as well.--Inayity (talk) 12:13, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article on ethnic federalism in Ethiopia? 

message: I am suggesting we move all of that content about his domestic policy, and foreign errors (typo)to the article above. This current article is far too long. Awaiting agreement. --Inayity (talk) 06:38, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Article too long need to move some to [[Premiership of Meles Zenawi]]

message: The new article on Meles as a PM, already has in the Foreign policy section, we should stub it in this article and add the hatnote. --Inayity (talk) 21:01, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign Policies need to be moved out of this page 

message: I think the article is biased and not properly cited --يوسف حسين (talk) 17:31, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: you will need to be more specific about the descriptor "biased". What language, what sections, what choice of sourcing is inappropriate? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

text: yes, once i looked at the text and i saw that, i knew that was at least one issue. if that was the basis of your concern too, then we should be able to mark this as completed. that you for bringing that to our attention. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:18, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Because everyone is messing with the established lead. I think after his death the lead I just put back sums up Meles. the pro and the con. How can you leave out he was considered a brute--a strongman, a dictator, a Western puppet? That is how he is known as much as there is also good (like the reforms). The lead should reflect all of that. With ref. When he left collage is not something you put in the lede, that is in his background, early years. Just keep it to the most critical items. --Inayity (talk) 20:42, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  neutrality  

message: The article has become completely useless, it all it talks about is his foreign policy, human rights violations, his death and his accolades. It tells us nothing about his reforms, domestic policies, or his time as rebel leader during the Ethiopian Civil War. Some that informatiom is in the premiership article, and that should be merged back in. It's not enough but it's a start. Charles Essie (talk) 16:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It is common policy, with wikipedia, to prevent an article becoming too large to split it. It is done with every single other politician including (but not limited to) Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, and Barack Obama. If no other people are raising this objection to an issue already discussed, then the tag has to come down as "serious Mistake" is not a wikipedia rationale for tagging. As there is no rationale for merging what was purposely split. --Inayity (talk) 09:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I did offer a rationale, the main article does include enough information about his presidency and premiership, that information was there until it was split into another article. The articles on Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and Barack Obama do include extensive information about their presidencies while this one does not, it only discusses his foreign policy, human rights violations, death, and accolades. All the information about his leadership was removed and needlessly put into a second article, it should be reincorperated. Charles Essie (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your rationale only goes as far as this article is lacking material. Do not see the argument for a re-merge.  There is a problem with this article lacking overview (correct?) so then you summarize on this article. What does that have to do with a detailed article on his leadership? So the issue is not about merging articles, but on the details used in this one. As i stated earlier, this article had become WP:LENGTH (and this problem still exist) the step, as with every article is to create a detailed article. Which can be independently developed with detail focus. So your task, if you have the above issue, is to take the highlights from the detailed article and summarize them on this page. Just like Ronald Reagan has Political positions of Ronald Reagan and Reaganomics, Electoral history of Ronald Reagan, Domestic policy of the Ronald Reagan administration, Foreign policy of the Ronald Reagan administration, Presidency of Ronald Reagan,Reagan Doctrine. Merging is therefore not a solution per WP:LENGTH. --Inayity (talk) 08:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Split a huge mistake!

message: The lead is for an overview, not nuanced details about Meles government. So the details I have just reverted do not belong in the lede. Which should summarize. Also we should try to separate the Ethiopian government from Meles, just as we do with Obama administration and Obama. Because then what happens is we duplicate info and Meles becomes the Ethiopian government. (that is just my take). And we can look at similar pages for a guide.--Inayity (talk) 07:13, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead is for... 

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message: I can tell the Foreign affairs section and others aren't neutral because they conflict on basic facts. In the history we read
"following the Eritrean troops invasion of Badme and parts of Sheraro woredas"
Later in the foreign affairs it says that Ethiopia invaded Eritrea starting the war while Eritrea wasn't doing anything.
If it's disputes territory then say something to that effect "in 1998 Eritrea sent troops into disputed border towns of .... Ethiopia responded with military force... Etc etc..."
I don't know the history but as it reads it's just two different partisans attempting to state as fact their perspectives not a neutral historical account. Im.thatoneguy (talk) 23:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign Affairs isn't neutral or even self consistent with it's partisanship. 

message: There is a big contentious issue about his birth date. I extensively search in Google and some sources say he was born on 8 May and other 9 May, which share tantamount assertion in all sides (comparing Google Books references  (9 May) and  (8 May)) . Some obituary sources I found from mainstream news such as BBC, Al-Jazeera and AP News asserted that he was born on 8 May. I want to know consensus around involving editors in this article. The Supermind (talk) 12:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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