Talk:Mode of limited transposition

message: The description of the whole-tone scale talks about six groups of two, which I suppose refers to the six sequential major seconds. But the slurring doesn't correspond to the text. Can someone go back to the original and put in the six slurs? Alternatively, the text should explain. David Brooks 00:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. DerHindemith (talk) 12:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slurs in first example 

message: 1) tritones
T T - C Gb C
x - - - - - x - - - - - x
1 mode
6 keys
2) major thirds
M3 M3 M3 - C E Ab C
x - - - x - - - x - - - x
1 mode
4 keys
3) minor thirds
m3 m3 m3 m3 - C Eb Gb A C
x - - x - - x - - x - - x
1 mode
3 keys
4) Messiaen's 1st mode (Wholetone scale/Major seconds)
1 1 1 1 1 1 - C D E Gb Ab Bb C
x - x - x - x - x - x - x
1 modes
2 keys
5) Messiaen's 2nd mode (Diminished Scale/Semitone-tone scale/Tone-semitone scale)
1 ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ - C D Eb F Gb Ab A B C
x - x x - x x - x x - x x
2 modes
3 keys
6) Messiaen's 3rd mode
½ ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 - C Db D E F Gb Ab A Bb C
x x x - x x x - x x x - x
3 modes
4 keys
7) Messiaen's 4th mode
½ ½ ½ m3 ½ ½ ½ m3 - C Db D Eb Gb G Ab A C
x x x x - - x x x x - - x
4 modes
6 keys
8) Messiaen's 5th mode
½ M3 ½ ½ M3 ½ - C Db F Gb G B C
x - - - x x x - - - x x x
3 modes
6 keys
9) Messiaen's 6th mode
½ ½ 1 1 ½ ½ 1 1 - C Db D E Gb G Ab Bb C
x x x - x - x x x - x - x
4 modes
6 keys
10) Messiaen's 7th mode
½ ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 - C Db D Eb E Gb G Ab A Bb C
x x x x x - x x x x x - x
5 modes
6 keys
11) ½ 1 m3 ½ 1 m3 - C Db Eb Gb G A C
x - x - - x x - x - - x x
3 modes
6 keys
 
12) M3 1 M3 1 - C E Gb Bb C
x - - - x - x - - - x - x
2 modes
6 keys
13) P4 ½ P4 ½ - C F Gb B C
x - - - - x x - - - - x x
2 modes
6 keys
14) m3 ½ m3 ½ m3 ½ - C Eb E G Ab B C
x - - x x - - x x - - x x
2 modes
4 keys
15) m3 1 ½ m3 1 ½ - C Eb F Gb A B C
x - - x - x x - - x - x x
3 modes
6 keys
Maybe some of the above needs a mention??? Are any of them legal, i'm not sure, i've been scouring his book, but i don't quite know what he means by truncated.Dominant7flat9 (talk) 01:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understood correctly, truncation is just removing notes. Except that the result has to also be symmetrical. So C Eb Gb A is a truncation of the C diminished scale, for example. But some of your examples seem to be valid... I can't find the augmented scale, for instance, as a truncation of any of the ones he mentions. (It's number 14 on your list).157.157.85.44 (talk) 16:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: more than messiaen

message: The article uses the word "mode" to mean two different things:
# A particular cyclic sequence of musical intervals, of which Messiaen defined seven.  The white notes of a standard piano, extended indefinitely, are one transposition of a single mode by this definition.
# A particular phase of such a cyclic sequence.  The Gregorian modes, major mode and minor mode are (more or less) modes by this definition.
It may be the case that Messian used the term in a non-standard way, but I'm not sure that the article adequately addresses the use of the term to mean two different things.  As a result, the statement "Therefore mode 2 has two modes" sounds somewhat puzzling.
What's the best way to address the distinction between the two meanings?  Should we be using different terms for the two things, or would it suffice to write a sentence or two to note the ambiguity of the word? — Smjg (talk) 23:12, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a mode?