Talk:F Market & Wharves

message: I've heard the E line, as discussed in this article, proposed for years.  However, the Muni Metro extension from Embarcadero to SBC Park is a modern light rail line, not a streetcar line, with high-platform above-ground stations, if I'm remembering correctly.  Thus, wouldn't the proposed E Line need to run standard LRVs rather than PCCs?
--Jfruh 14:40, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: All the references I've seen refer to it as running heritage cars from the same fleet as the F line (albeit obviously an enlarged fleet). See http://www.streetcar.org/tomorrow/vision/index.html for more on this. Don't forget that the existing F line already has short high-platforms at (almost) all stops for ADA reasons, so there should be no problem in the heritage cars running through the high-platform stations between the subway mouth and the Caltrain depot. I'm guessing that they will actually stop (for ambulant passengers) at adjacent low-level platforms; although I don't recall reading anything specific on this. -- Chris j wood 16:34, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I should look at my references more thoroughly. On left of the page I quote the url of above are some photographs of the low platforms, which in at least one case is complete. Also I see they are talking about extending beyond Caltrain. I'm kind of impressed by these photos; when I wrote the section on extensions I was feeling a bit cynical about when and if the E would actually happen (as you say, it has been discussed for years without happening). But if they have actually built the platforms, perhaps it is go this time. -- Chris j wood 16:54, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: I still wonder about running heritage cars through the Fort Mason tunnel though. Generally cars running through tunnels need to meet stricter fire regulations than normal; an example being London's Docklands Light Railway which was forced to replace its entire fleet of more or less brand new LRVs when it opened a tunnelled extension. Presumably the PCC cars will be ok, as San Francisco, Newark and Philedelphia have all had streetcar subways for longer than they have had PCCs, but the Peter Witt and vintage fleets would seem doubtful given the extensive use of wood in their bodies. -- Chris j wood 17:11, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: And I'm also wondering what's with the Boeing over at Duboce yard. Is it going to be restored for the E/F-Line? -Goodshoped 00:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would the E line run PCCs? 

message: Darkcore, thank you for the very nice map!
Atlant 20:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The map 

message: The San Francisco Railway Museum will be opening soon.  Can more information be added here regarding exhibits and educational programs like the teaching trolley? n2xjk 19:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the new museum 

message: If the fleet status from here considered foamer's content? Goodshoepd35110s 04:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to create a subpage demonstrating all the PCC and tram status, but not making it foamers interest. If approved, a partial list would appear on this article, while the full status will show on another page. -Goodshoped 05:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of streetcars foamers interest? 

message: What do people think about this section. I suspect that current activity information (what is running this day/week/month) is simply too volatile for an encyclopedia. -- Chris j wood 11:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why there's another article with the streetcars. You can go right ahead an ddelete the section, except the 'main article' section. Why bother duplicating? -Goodshoped 01:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section 'Streetcar Activity' 

message: Reluctantly (because somebody obviously put a lot of work into it) I've dropped the line diagram from the infobox. I've done this because:
* It makes the infobox way too intrusive on the actual article. Infoboxes should support the text, not overwelm it.
* It is misleading, because it implies the line stretches to Geneva car sheds, when in fact it terminates at Castro. The fact that the route is used by cars running into and out of service doesn't make it part of the line.
* We already have a geographically based map that shows the same information in (IMHO) a more useful way.
-- Chris j wood (talk) 16:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the one who created the infobox diagram. I don't mind the removal, and understand your concerns. —Kurykh 19:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dropped the line diagram from the infobox 

message: I moved interactive map link from external links section to map caption. For me it is more clear and straightforward but feel free to undo this if this is not compatibile with wikipedia policies.
--193.104.215.11 (talk) 15:59, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interactive map nearby map 

message: I just stumbled on this article, and wow, it is really great!  Thanks, well done.  1fish2 (talk) 21:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: great article!

message: I propose that this article be merged with the E Embarcadero article.  Both are heritage streetcar lines run by Muni and they use the same rail line between Fisherman's Wharf and the Ferry Building.  Link to the other article's talk page: Talk:E Embarcadero#F Market & Wharves and E Embarcadero Merger Proposal.  Jackdude101 (Talk)</span>  16:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is both lines are part of the same system.  What I am proposing is to have one article with both of these lines of the San Francisco heritage streetcar system included.  It would be a similar format to the article for the San Francisco cable car system.  That system also has multiple lines, yet they are all combined into a single article, which seems much more useful than having individual articles for each line.  It's better to see both heritage streetcar lines in a single article, so the reader can have a better understanding of the whole system rather than having to click back and forth between two separate articles.  Jackdude101 (Talk)</span>  15:30, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: F Market & Wharves and E Embarcadero Merger Proposal

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replies: text: Note: I've replaced the image in the article as it's likely to be deleted on copyright grounds. I'll get an exact replacement when the Jefferson Street project finishes up. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:30, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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