Talk:Chiltern Hundreds

message: How much is the Steward paid? Jackiespeel 13:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure, the linked reference () only states that the steward stopped getting any revenue from the Hundreds, does it actually mean that the crown has stopped paying him as well (and how can it be an office of profit if it has)? --Dami (talk) 13:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: chances are it is a peppercorn salary, i might be able to ask next week when i'm down there. ninety:one 19:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Its quite probable. I would be grateful if you could find out something when you're there. --Dami (talk) 10:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

text: What legally bars an MP from Parliament is taking a paid sinecure of the Crown - therefore there must be some kind of nominal salary, even if it's virtually nothing! But yes I'm having trouble finding what it is, if anything. Or perhaps just the fact that the role is able to draw a salary, but they don't, is enough? It's a point that needs clarifying.Gymnophoria (talk) 08:05, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: How much are they paid?

message: Why doesn't the Parliament simply pass an act allowing members to resign (upon approval of the Chancellor)?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.146.190 (talk) 02:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: looking into it now. ninety:one 16:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The law says up to 95 ministers, and only  ministers, can hold their crown posts and be MPs. ninety:one 18:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Citation please; the nineteenth-century usage was that any appointment triggered a by-election, but you could hold office if your constituency re-elected you. The Chiltern Hundreds was traditionally resigned immediately, as an act of civility, so that the next MP to resign could apply for the vacancy. My understanding was that it was amended so that ministers did not have to resign, not so that duly re-elected MP's could not accept other crown offices. (Can't you be MP and RN any more?)   Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why not let them resign?

message: The article reports the office as currently being vacant.  The office is always held until the next MP is appointed to it - see this archived factsheet for example http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/p11.pdf  "Every new warrant issued revokes the previous holder".  Therefore there is always a current holder - the most recent person appointed to the post.  In this particular case the current holder died, so the article ought to reflect this as an usual situation perhaps.
--Truthmonkey (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vacant? 

message: He wrote a whole article on the subject in the early 20th century in his own idiosyncratic  style. It is contained in his book 'Alarms and Discursions', available at Gutenberg.org. You will spot it right off, as it is called 'Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds' (g).  It is actually a polemic against some people he does not like, but contains his understanding of how the thing worked.
I think there is also a discussion of the subject near the end of the '60's comic novel 'Mrs. 'Arris goes to Parliament'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.149.136.11 (talk) 09:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: G.K. Chesterton

message: I think the Chiltern Hundreds [hereinafter the "AreaArticle"] should be merged back with the Crown Steward and Bailiff of the three Chiltern Hundreds of Stoke, Desborough and Burnham  [hereinafter the "OfficeArticle"] . 
::Addition: Similarly merge Manor of Northstead and Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead as suggested below by W. P. Uzer; I have added hatnotes to those two articles, pointing to this section for a single discussion. jnestorius(talk) 16:49, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree, there are too many articles here. Simply "Chiltern Hundreds" seems to be the friendliest title for the combined article.  The same should be done with Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead and Manor of Northstead. (Note that we already have an article Resignation from the British House of Commons; everything about the offices is effectively covered there anyway.) W. P. Uzer (talk) 13:55, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Largely agree too, and that the retained article should be called Chiltern Hundreds. As provided in the current lead the historical context provides the primary description from which the secondary purpose / modern use of the term, the sinecure purpose, that developed from the 17th century onwards as the government administrative functions of hundreds disappeared. The article Crown Steward and Bailiff of the three Chiltern Hundreds of Stoke, Desborough and Burnham which provides the detailed background to the modern use and, as stated above, is largely duplicated by what is in Resignation from the British House of Commons the history and everyday procedures for appointment of stewards. So for me the 'Crown Steward... article' should be merged with the 'Resignation... article' nott reincorporated into the 'Chiltern hundreds' article.Tmol42 (talk) 23:39, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

text: Hmm, there's also List of Stewards of the Chiltern Hundreds and List of Stewards of the Manor of Northstead. Maybe the OfficeArticles should redirect to them? jnestorius(talk) 17:03, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I think it would be better to rearrange :Category:Lists of resignations from the British House of Commons chronologically rather than by the essentially arbitrary question of which sinecure. Which opens up a whole broader discussion... jnestorius(talk) 17:05, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that that category is inaccurate as it is impossible for people to resign from the Commons, hence why these offices of profit under the Crown exist so that seats can be vacated.  The C of E   God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case the "Resignation..." article should be renamed too. But my feeling is that such changes aren't necessary, since the process of vacating one's seat by applying for one of these sinecures (or apparently in at least one case by saying "I resign" and consequently being granted one of the sinecures) is commonly referred to by everyone, including reliable sources, as "resigning". W. P. Uzer (talk) 19:42, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge