Talk:African Americans/summary

message: I've created this template to facilitate access to editing on the ethnicity templates. It can be a bit daunting to have to tease out of an article what to edit in a traditional  template format. This method allows for folks to be able to concentrate on just the infobox itself. (→Netscott) 05:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nov 2006

message: no Npov changes have been made. no wiki violation so pls let it b.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 00:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, your edit summary is "replacing with real American heros with legacy and contribution to the race, offensive condi and powell two coco's". That is a textbook example of a POV edit which, if I'm not mistaken, is a violation of a core Wikipedia policy. When your edit was questioned by me, you chose to simply revert back with no discussion and the edit summary "look before you jump". Exactly - discuss potentially controversial changes before making them. Natalie 00:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Going to have to agree with Natalie here... I too understand Halaqah's edit (and on a personal level tend to support it) but templates have to abide by WP:NPOV just like any other article content.  00:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is my personal explaination but the edit was ligit. I didnt change it for that reason alone. Like when i said revert clown, might violate the civility code but it doesnt make my change illegal. See the guy that added a monkey image. look b4 u jump, means see why i changed the text. Look at why the edit was made. the text matches the image.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 00:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that you have changed the text to match the image, which makes sense. I'm fine leaving it like that. But the point of an edit summary is to explain your edits, not to make some tangentially related comment. No one's personal opinions are relevant here - it's not Nataliepedia, or Halaqahpedia, or Netscottpedia. In the future, just leave an edit summary along the lines of "changed caption to match image" and all with be well. Natalie 00:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (e/c) I see the point, someone's changed the image and the text below doesn't match the new image. I believe there was a previoius image showing those individuals... but per the image displaing now Halaqah's edit is correct.  00:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Text changed to match image

message: Would it make sense to include African American Vernacular English in addition to American English under the "Languages" heading of the template? (As context, AAVE's listed under the "Languages" heading on Template:African American topics sidebar, alongside English, Gullah, and Creole.) - Anirvan 18:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Include AAVE under language?

message: What the hell do Hispanics have to do with this? I'm erasing it. Fclass (talk) 23:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are Black Hispanic and Latino Americans that could also fall within the scope of this article, but also have their own article. For instance there is the article about Asian Americans, whom Asian Hispanic and Latino Americans are part of but still have their own article. This is due to Hispanic/Latino being considered an ethnicity which any race could be a part of.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Hispanic

message: how can you get the picture changed sense their missing Obama and Edward Brooks was a republican?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awdacityofluv (talk • contribs) 05:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture 

message: why doesnt it show up here  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awdacityofluv (talk • contribs) 06:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  why 

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This page should become unprotected on 9/23/08 NOT 9/26/08. Please refer to the history section for verification. Please change it back to the correct date. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therock40756 (talk • contribs) 05:23, September 22, 2008
:Don't confuse the template message on the page with the protection. The template mistakenly says that the page is protected for five days (it's been updated and now says September 27). The protection will end on 9/23, regardless of what the template says. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 05:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the protection expires in a couple hours. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error on time frame of protected page 

message: Hi, I was pointing out that according to the United States order of precedence, Barrack Obama should be higher up on the template to account for the fact that he is president, considering the fact that he does outrank people like Condelezza Rice and Colin Powell (No offense to them). Does this make sense? Or shall we just leave it? Thanks. --Riotrocket8676  You gotta problem with that? 04:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obama? 

message: I noticed a user have replaced Oprah with Michael Steele. I just want to make it clear the I fully support this change and the reasoning for it. Oprah appearing twice takes valuable space from other African Americans who can have thier photo somewhere on the page. Michael Steele is a great choice for that replacement.Therock40756 (talk) 22:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The only issue I have with Steele is that other users have complained that there are too many political figures and there are too few women. I agree that it doesn't make sense to have the same picture of Oprah twice in the article, but maybe we can find a picture of another woman to add to the template. — Malik Shabazz  06:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Martin Luther King's picture appears twice, so why not Oprah?  She's both the richest & most philanthropic African American of all time, she was extremely instrumental in the election of Obama, plus she's a woman & her picture is in color.  It's very insulting to not include Oprah in the template.  She was voted the second greatest African American of ALL TIME in the Discovery Channel's Greatest American contest. Iconicism (talk) 02:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael Steele

message: An editor recently replaced Oprah Winfrey in the template with Clarence Thomas. He didn't discuss it here, so I thought I would. Any thought? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Massive objection. For one, there was a strong consensus to add Obama—in fact, you were a very loud part of the drive to add him. Second, why Thomas? Are there any positive reasons for including him? He's a second-rate jurist at best. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarence Thomas 

message: Today an editor added a fifth row of photos, with Jackie Robinson, James Brown, and Magic Johnson (with Nancy Pelosi).
I guess there are a few issues here. First, should we add a fifth row? Second, if we add a fifth row, whose pictures should we add? Third, if we don't add a fifth row, should we change some of the pictures?
I don't think the template needs another row, but I feel strongly about it.
In the past, there has been concern expressed that we don't have enough women in the photos. At present, there are four women out of sixteen pictures. If more pictures are added, I would like to see more women among them.
One last point: I have tried to keep a symmetry between the color and black-and-white photos in alternating rows. If possible, I'd like to try to keep it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To sort of balance the number of men and women, I suggest adding Toni Morrison's picture and deleting Micheal Jackson's picture. I, too, do not think a fifth row is necessary. ExistentialBliss (talk) 08:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

text: I don't see any reason to change pictures just for the sake of change. I'm not opposed to replacing Michael Jackson with Toni Morrison, though; Jackson was added immediately after his death following a discussion by a pair of enthusiastic fans. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Sounds good to me. Over the next few days I'll try to crop pictures of them for the template and we'll see what people think. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. ExistentialBliss (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackie Robinson, James Brown, and Magic Johnson 

message: I removed Michael Jackson and replaced him with Beyonce.  I just think it's really offensive to have someone who was accused and investigated for child molestation, not once, but twice, and settled one of the cases out of court, as a representative of African Americans.  Second, we need way more representation of African American women which is why I added Beyonce.Greatestnovel (talk) 11:51, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it offensive to include Michael Jackson, one of the most famous, notable, and influential musicians of all time, but not offensive to include Malcolm X, who was accused of racism, black supremacy, antisemitism, and violence? Jackson is pictured in the article People of the United States. Should he be removed from there, too? Besides, it's not about gender, it's about who's more notable. --John of Lancaster (talk) 16:38, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Replaced Michael Jackson with Beyonce

message: There's a community discussion concerning whether there should or should not be images in infobox templates such as this one. If you'd like to comment, the discussion is here. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images in the infobox 

message: Putting new photos with old ones don't look good. It should start with the earliest photo and then in order of history go down to present time. I fixed this but some photos need to be cropped so that they all even up. The white borders also make it look good.--182.177.124.109 (talk) 16:37, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edit messed up the template: some rows had two images and some had one. I think it looks nice with a blend of new and old photos, plus there's a symmetry of color and black-and-white photos. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Proper order of photos

message: There's no African-American scientist in here which I think is a significant omission. How about including Percy Julian, George Washington Carver or even Neil DeGrasse Tyson in the gallery of pictures on the top right?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashujo (talk • contribs) 20:37, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A scientist would be nice. I think we're a little heavy on entertainers (including athletes). What do other editors think? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:52, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Bluford would be good. Who would he replace? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: No African-American scientist?

message: I was thinking, given the historical significance of racial interrogation of professional sports and Jackie Robinson's role in that integration, perhaps he should be represented in the infobox?
Also, I noticed, that other than COL Guion Bluford, no individuals who are notable for military contributions are included in the infobox (even though he isn't primarily notable for his military service, but more for his being the first African American in space). May I suggest SGT William Harvey Carney, as his action is the earliest which an African American was a recipient of the Medal of Honor, or MAJ Martin Delany the first African American field officer, or BG Benjamin O. Davis, Sr. the first African American general officer. Come to think about it, given that Robinson was a commissioned officer, he can serve a duel function (although he is not primarily notable for his military service).--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox suggestion 

message: Should nearly half of the pictures be of Civil Rights/abolition leaders. Malcolm X and MLK capture Civil Rights pretty well. Tubman and Douglass for the abolition. Height, Washington, and Parks are all enormous figures, but I think it's overkill. I also don't understand why the most famous human (excluding religious figures) Michael Jackson is not on here. It's like American Jews leaving out Albert Einstein. Either way I think there should be another musician in addition to Joplin. Maybe Miles Davis.
--Yellowfiver (talk) 01:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Abolition of Slavery in the United States and the African American Civil Rights movements are important milestones of African American history, so is the period when African Americans were largely bonded in slavery.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 15:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Skewed Representation