Talk:List of Irish people

message: Greetings.  In an attempto to quell the intimidating length of above mentioned article, I have moved two lists here.  However I just interpolated the lists without any formatting, and I am sure there is duplication and the lists can be incorporated into the structure of this page.  I just simply do not have the time to do this now, so hopefully someone else will.  Shawn M. O'Hare 18:23, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved lists from [[Irish people]] 

message: They are basically the same. The Famous Irish people page already posts famous Irish Americans. I think it would be best if we just added "Famous Irish Americans" on the famous Irish people page into one little section. They are basically two identical pages. It would be one less page and more organized. All in favor of the merger?
Daragh: as an Irish citizen living in the US, I am conscious of the difference. If you want to merge the lists, I'd suggest clearly marking the non-Irish born people. This counts for Irish-Americans, Irish-French, Irish-whatever. I think this should be a policy for all 'famous people' pages. I think the Famous Scots page might have the same issue...
I've changed your merge tag to make clear that it is the Irish Americans you want merged here rather than the other way around.  Zymurgy 21:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger between famous irish Americans and famous Irish people pages... 

message: Where is John Lennon and Kurt Cobain on the list of famous people of Irish Descent?
*Where are Kunte Kinte, Rosa Parks, Ghandi, Alexander the Great, Beethoven and Jesus O'Nazareth!  Come on people, keep this list growing! 86.17.247.135 01:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lennon/Cobain 

message: The List of Americans of Irish descent is now being re-organized and sourced into something proper. A lot of the people listed as being of Irish descent on this page - like Demi Moore - aren't Irish at all. It'd be best to simply attach a link to the American Irish list where that section currently is here. I'll make sure all of the names listed either get sourced and added to the American Irish list, or moved to that page's discussion section for sourcing. Mad Jack O'Lantern 04:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Was the part of "People of Irish descent" supposed to be some kind of joke on the uninitiated? I mean, John Garfield, Joan Collins, Ed Wynn? What was going on here? Mad Jack O'Lantern 05:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely think this article should not be merged with List of Irish-Americans. The Irish deserve their own list. This is a world of difference between an Irish person and an Irish-American person. GusF 15:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish-Americans

message: I am of the opinion that only those born in Ireland and those with real and substantive links with Ireland (e.g. naturalised Irish citizens, settled in Ireland, "proper" Irish-Americans born of Irish parents, etc) should be included on this list, and a separate list should be created at List of people of Irish descent for the remainder. The list over at Irish people is serving the purpose that this list should be. Would anyone have any major objections to the changes I have outlined above? I am aware that everyone has their own opinion as to what being "Irish" means, and I don't want to exclude anyone for not having enough "paddy-points", but I feel we are painting with too broad a brush at the minute. Martin 14:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganising article 

message: Wouldn't it be more efficient in the long run to simply abandon maintaining this list and convert it to a WP category instead?  (See Help:Category for more info)    JXM 02:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not categorize? 

message: Is there any good reason why there should be a separate list kept of Notable Irish people in this article, especially when it duplicates some of the names elsewhere?  Maybe I've missed something, but I can't see the point of it? --The.Q | Talk 14:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Irish people (selection)

message: Is this serious?  It must be because it's at the top.  Are you really saying you will call someone Irish because they "adopt an Irish identity"?  What does that even mean, and is it really a way to run an article about the nationality of individuals? Get serious - and accurate. 86.17.247.135 01:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Following an exchange on my talk page I have amended the article to read "...people who have lived in Ireland most of their lives and/or have adopted Irish citizenship...".  However, my interlocutor has already reverted it once and may do so again, even though my edit is based on his creative interpretation of the original text in dispute. 86.17.247.135 04:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This change reflects the users gross inability to understand what an example is. John Reaves (talk) 04:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what an example is.  However, I do not understand how someone can give an example which bears absolutely no relation to the statement in dispute and does not answer my specific queury as to why that statement should remain in place. (When I ask "what is the time please" I do not expect a reply of "pink!" - via "I don't have to tell you anything".)  Neither do I understand how an "editor" who watches pages can tell another user that they do not have to explain why they reverted an edit (and basically admitted they didn't read it, only the comment in the history page) and ignored the justification made for said edit. Just visit my talk page, and also his for my initial questions to him about this point. 86.17.247.135 04:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To illustrate a point, one of the examples given was of an American with some Irish ancestry.  I directed my interlocutor to the list of Irish-Americans..... 86.17.247.135 04:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When an edit is so obviously unnecessary, it is unnecessary to explain (unless of course the offended editor is annoyingly persistent).  It's especially annoying to work with editors who tend to make things up (such as "basically admitted to not reading it").  Once again, failure to understand an example.  It's was just an example of how someone could "adopt an Irish identity". John Reaves (talk) 05:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You went by my comment "Very silly" and not the detail of my change. 86.17.247.135 05:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But your point was that they ARE Irish if they have an Irish ancestor!  Why would someone who IS Irish need to "adopt an Irish identity"? THEY'RE ALREADY IRISH! It is two different points!  Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!  86.17.247.135 05:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: You still have not reasonably explained why my edit is "obviously" unnecessary when you still cannot explain (directly, not in the "spirit") what the statement means. If it is so obvious please do tell. If people need to adopt an Irish identity then, by definition, they are not Irish - they are adopting it.  What does the title of this list say? List of Irish People! 86.17.247.135 05:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: John Reaves, your "compromise" only works if you now merge this list with others such as the "Irish-American" list.  Otherwise every single person listed on the latter should also be listed here which renders the latter obsolete! This isn't how Wikipedia should work.  John F Kennedy wasn't Irish.  He was Irish-American.  This is a list of Irish people, not Irish plus Irish-Americans, Anglo-Irish, Tibetan-Irish etc etc.  What a mess...... 86.17.247.135 06:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Instead of edit warring and violating the 3RR (two users have violated this), please come to a compromise. See WP:DR and file a report with the cabal.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 06:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, one has.  My last edit was a self-revert, perfectly acceptable.  John Reaves (talk) 07:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[This list covers] people who chose to adopt an Irish identity " 

message: Discussion is taking place on the talk pages of the two in disagreement. 62.25.106.209 15:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  22 Jan changes 

message: "Choose to adopt an Irish identity" is opinion - unless the person has specifically stated that they have done so (and how often does that happen unless they have other factors, such as prolonged inhabitation or ancestry?), it is just your opinion that they have done so - another person could claim that they'd simply picked up an accent. On the other hand, 'have lived in Ireland for a long period of time' is fact - period of inhabitation is often used as criteria for considering someone a particular nationality (whether they agree or not), and is a criterion for legal inhabitation. Michaelsanders 11:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mind you, it is still possible for people to consider themselves Irish even if they have never lived in Ireland - if a parent is Irish, for example. And that should be in the top list. But there is no 'choice' involved there. Michaelsanders 12:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed to take above into account. Michaelsanders 13:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck with this one.  Reaves spent about seven hours the other day refusing to allow any edits to that statement without ever explaining what it meant. -- 86.17.211.191 01:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another sockpuppet? Wow... John Reaves (talk) 01:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reaves, Reaves, Reaves, will you ever learn?  It's your old friend from last week.  You really should just give up, close your account and move on. Your talk history is starting to get embarrassing.... -- 86.17.211.191 01:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true; however, I'd prefer to avoid this degenerating into (another) shouting contest, so shall we all try to be civil here and discuss the issue at hand without hurling accusations of 'sockpuppet'? Michaelsanders 01:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Your last comment was 1) incomprehensible and 2) didn't appear to have anything to do with the Irish. Michaelsanders 02:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I sorry you are unable to comprehend.  The IP address is in between a range of IPs meaning it probably switches on its own, and not at the discretion of this user. John Reaves (talk) 02:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Word changes

message: I am opposed to this amalgamation - Irish people is already too long and contains links to "more comprehensive lists". Why could that not be done here? I favour restoring the page List of Irish scientists, engineers and inventors. In any case "List of Irish people" is a very poor page title - surely it should be something like "List of notable Irish people" or similar? Peter Clarke (talk) 18:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I did the merge because it has been sitting with the merge tag for almost a year with no opposition or even any comments at all. If you think it was inappropriate, then by all means, be bold and find an alternative solution that suits your own personal vision. Just don't add the merge tag again ;) --NickPenguin(contribs) 18:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Irish scientists, engineers and inventors

message: I tagged this article as unreferenced. Each and every entry needs to be referenced to a reliable source or else it may be removed. I'll come back in a week or so and remove those entries which are still unreferenced. --John (talk) 01:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A month later, with no references (not a single one!),so I have redirected this. Please don't restore it without references. --John (talk) 03:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:V]] 

message: I think a mistake has been made in redirecting this page.  There are about 150 lists by nationality listed by the MoS - check them at Lists of people by nationality. NONE of them (that I can find) have references. Why is a trail being blazed here? If the editor doing this has a problem with the list format, the place to bring it up is at the relevant Manual of Style section, and then when it's sorted out, action can be taken. 
Hohenloh  +  00:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please then explain how, for example, Jim Morrison, John Lennon and Paul McCartney qualify under the article's stated criteria of: "People who were born on the island of Ireland and/or who have lived there for most of their lives." and "People who, though not necessarily ever having been born or lived in Ireland, have been raised as Irish, and/or have adopted Irish citizenship". As you restored the list I assume you will find it easy to explain your actions. Failing that, please restore the redirect. Thanks in advance. --John (talk) 05:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:lists#Listed items is pretty clear. Unless someone is prepared to sift through and verify this, I will redirect it again per WP:BLP, probably tomorrow. See also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --John (talk) 04:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone is alive, and you dispute whether they belong on this list, and the name has no citation, remove it. There's no reason to redirect the entire list per BLP, since some people on the list are dead. --Pixelface (talk) 05:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And another three months later we still have a total of ... zero references. Tremendous. What are the criteria of this list? Not really sure. Again, I give notice that I will redirect this unless it is referenced. It can't sit here like a giant steaming turd for ever without references. Respectfully yours, --John (talk) 22:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:CIVIL and see my contribution above. Thank you. Hohenloh  +  00:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I had already read your contribution above back in December and was already familiar with the contents of WP:CIVIL. Are you at all familiar with WP:V, WP:RS and WP:BLP perchance? Love your new sig. --John (talk) 01:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed redirect - see other examples at [[Lists of people by nationality]] 

message: Was updating this list and realized that it's useless really.  Would anyone really search for a list of Irish people or is this merely a vanity piece?  Would there be any objections to a deletion? --HighKing (talk) 13:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts exactly Irish Melkite (talk) 11:29, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever about the intrinsic value of 'lists', this one seems to follow a pretty well established format - see :Category:Lists of people by nationality. RashersTierney (talk) 11:46, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this list really a worthwhile article 

message: Should Sam Neill be on this list?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubs boy (talk • contribs) 16:20, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Meets the criteria in the lead-ish "This is a list of Irish people who were born on the island of Ireland and have lived there for most of their lives". Leave it here and see if there are any objections, cant be as bad as "Patrick Dempsey – actor, best known for his role in Grey's Anatomy (born in United States)", removed that one for the obvious reasons. Murry1975 (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this 66 year old man having being born in Northern Ireland and spending 7 years here as a child qualifies as "born on the island of Ireland and have lived there for most of their lives". So no they shouldn't be. That's 7 years here and 59 years not living here. Mabuska (talk) 21:18, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Either you have a vested interest or you are just following me. Ill go with the latter. Liam Neeson has probably lived longer in the USA than in Northern Ireland. I'll remove him from the list aswell.Dubs boy (talk) 21:34, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You'd be surprised how many Ireland related articles are on my watchlist we me being an editor heavily involved in Irish-related articles. If you wish to make unfounded allegations then be my guess, it doesn't aid you in anyway. Neeson spent almost half of his life in Northern Ireland (born in 1952, moving away in 1980 or so), so about 28 years out of his 61 on Earth, far more than Sam Neill ever did. Whilst obviously technically most of his life is now not in Northern Ireland it is quite substantial and he is regarded as Irish not American. Sam Neill is regarded as a New Zealander. Mabuska (talk) 21:41, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing surprises me with you Mabuska. Does this mean you are a single purpose account? I think Liam Neeson also holds US citizenship. Not to poke holes in your argument, just stating facts, but forget it, this isn't an encyclopedia, what was I thinking, too much green tea, has given me a light head.Dubs boy (talk) 13:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

text: You have called me an SPA. AGF? You didn't so that would make your comment above hypocritical. right? Comments are only antagonistic if you look at them through red mist.Dubs boy (talk) 18:48, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did I call you a spa? I can't remember if I did or not but looking around through our interaction history I can't find any evidence, so if I did please provide the diff. Also the comment about you being a single purpose account was made by Canterbury Tail not me so why you threw that at me as well above makes no sense. You seem to be confusing editors together and spreading bad faith around this project. I insist that you stop. Mabuska (talk) 10:16, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I realise you weren't trying to highlight the word spa but the abbreviation SPA, which as already stated I didn't do. Mabuska (talk) 21:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sam Neill 

message: The new editor was blatantly promoting. We block people for promotion all the time. What warrants a full protection here? Pinging Johnuniq as the protecting admin. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 06:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I left a polite warning at their talk. What about WP:AGF and WP:BITE? I might be inclined to indef certain kinds of editors after their first edit but that is not standard procedure. OTOH I did not spend very long looking at their edits. If you think an indef is warranted, perhaps try ANI? Johnuniq (talk) 06:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

text: In my opinion, a short protection was needed due to the edit war about to emerge. And to protect the new editor. The Banner talk 10:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full protection is unnecessary