Talk:Pedophilia/Archive 5

message: This was just added by another editor and I removed it because it had no citation:
:"The issues of whether pedophilia is, or is not pathological, treatable, a sound predictor of social malocclusion or dangerous behaviour have made the individual and overall medical dilemma over whether it should be treated, a controversial and disputed question."
Not saying it's not true, but in fraught areas like this we want to be extra good about citing, I think. Herostratus 01:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The section simply aimed to point out that some people think that there is nothing to treat. We know this, so why cite it? If this article is to be judged properly neutral, words of warning such as mine (aiming not to primarily depict pedophilia as a condition requiring treatment) need to be placed before the main arguments, not after. Edit: 'Subjectivity' section added. --Jim Burton 01:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  People can we cite, please 

message: I have a problem with this whole section, it seems entirely pointless to have an entire section which is made up two very short paragraph's, neither of which has a citation. I will say that it seems like this section could be of use if it gave some references and had a bit more information but as it is it seems to add little or nothing.--Colin 8 23:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non Medical Therapies 

message: Is it really appropriate for an encyclopaedia to display pictures of "known" or known paedophiles? He may not be, it may just be some kind of smear campaign. I say delete it. Excalibur2211 11:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it was rank trollery and has been deleted. Herostratus 13:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Known" Paedophile 

message: I ran across a web page that discusses the criteria for paraphilias, specifically in the context of pedophilia, and how those criteria changed in DSM-IV but were changed back in DSM-IV-TR. It seems relevant to some of what was discussed here recently. The text, from a letter to the American Journal of Psychiatry:
:In DSM-IV (p. 523), criterion B for all paraphilias was, "The behavior, sexual urges, or fantasies cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning." The editors of DSM-IV-TR apparently recognized the unintended and clinically absurd consequence of the change in DSM-IV from DSM-III-R criterion B. 
:According to DSM-IV, the diagnosis of pedophilia cannot be made if the individual acts on pedophilic urges but is not distressed by the urges and is not socially or occupationally impaired. In DSM-III-R, however, acting on the urges alone meets criterion B, as is the case again in DSM-IV-TR for pedophilia and all of the other paraphilias that involve a nonconsenting person.
Here's the link: http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/159/7/1249
DanB†DanD 02:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a side note, I think that the APA's criteria is, well... crap. I know that we're not here to say that, but the fact remains that using the DSM, you can be a pedophile for simply having sexual relations with a child, but not a pedophile for having an intense sexual preference for children, as long as you are happy with your sexuality. Thus, a child rapist is a pedophile, whilst Lindsay Ashford is probably not. --Jim Burton 06:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DSM criteria for "paraphilia" diagnosis

message: it says adolescence is defined by the WHO as 10-19 but is commonly defined as 13-18. I thought puberty didnt end until the early 20's? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AgentScully (talk • contribs) 07:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puberty 

message: As it stands the very short description of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy in this article is grossly inaccurate and describes something
very different from the cognitive-behavioral treatment approach. To be scholarly rigorous, there needs to be sufficient support to suggest that the treatment 
modalities mentioned are commonly used in Tx for pedophillia. --Jdcounselling 06:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non Medical Therapies 

message: While the STATE of being a pedophile is theoretically not a crime in and of itself, pedophilic acts are widely criminalized, often with severe penalties, and there is international cooperation in putting possessors of pedophilic paraphernalia and child molestors behind bars. Thus, I have left its inclusion in Category:Crimes.  —  Rickyrab | Talk 01:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion in Category:Crimes

message: Boylove(r), Girllove(r) and Childlove(r) are used by people such as pedophile activists, who disagree with various stigmas and medical concepts attached to pedophilia.
In the above sentence, why are there r's in words such as Boylove(r)? --Acepectif 22:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're used to indicate both the abstract noun and the person who is practising it.--Orthologist 14:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are these r's in this sentence? 

message: "Adults sexually attracted to children were placed into three categories by Krafft-Ebing" This was recently changed. What did Krafft-Ebing study? --Gbleem 07:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Krafft-Ebing 

message: Maybe we should move the block quote to the Satyricon article and simply say that the novel depicts sex between a young girl, an old man and his slave. --Gbleem 13:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. -Will Beback · † · 22:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's more : Sarah Ruben seems to have misunderstood the text, translating "filiam speciosissimam" by "very attractive little girl". The age of the puellam isn't given, and nothing leads to think she is "11-12". Pannychis, The "puella satis bella et quae non plus quam septem annos habere videbatur" from the XXVth chapter, who "ne tristis expaverat nuptiarum nomen" would have been more approriate to illustrate her views. Glotz 19:02, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satyricon