Talk:Chastity

message: The section on Paganism under "Eastern Religion" should be removed. Paganism is not one religion and it does not include only eastern religions. Furthermore how can you generalize over a category of unrelated religions like this?
202.89.191.178 (talk) 08:55, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume that new-agers and neopagans (predominantly actually living in Western countries) is what is meant... AnonMoos (talk) 12:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pagan Beliefs?

message: *I felt the clothing section needed rewording to maintain npov. The sentence "Premarital sexual abstinence, which should be easy and natural to maintain..." seems like an opinion to me.
* I also removed the reference to virgins, as it seemed arbitrary.
In wikipedia, it is definitely okay to describe different points of view in the articles, but I think we should try to avoid stating these views as facts. Alkas 17:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did the merge. :) Martin 00:19, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Older comments

message: I though redirecting chastity to sexual abstinence addresses a very superficial and narrow point-of-view, so I wrote an article which I think is fairly NPOV. For those of you who would like to see an example of chastity as part of a documented system of ethics, look here .
The article is very brief. Please expand to include examples from other ethical systems. In particular, I have little knowledge of far eastern ethical systems and religions. --Mm35173 14:31, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I don't quite understand how "coitus within the context of marital fidelity" can be considered chastity. Also, while I know many Baptist groups prohibit dancing, I don't know whether they'd consider it a violation of chastity. If so, it might be added to the list of possible offenses against chastity. --Angr/ 22:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude." Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:" - Catechism of the Catholic Church. Also, St. Ambrose said, "There are three forms of the virtue of chastity: the first is that of spouses, the second that of widows, and the third that of virgins. We do not praise any one of them to the exclusion of the others. . . . This is what makes for the richness of the discipline of the Church." The Baptists' proscription of dancing is very interesting. Is that because they think that dancing is an expression of sexuality which is contrary to God's plan, or is it merely a mechanism to prevent temptation? If it is the former, then yes, it would be unchaste in the Catholic sense of the word, but if it is the latter, then it is not. --24.176.68.73 14:25, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we should be more explicit about what is a Roman Catholic definition of "chastity" on this page then. Merriam-Webster's dictionary has two relevant definitions: "abstention from any sexual intercourse reprobated by religion or condemned by morality" (by which definition married people can engage in sex and still be chaste; the R.C. definition) and "abstention from all sexual intercourse" (by which definition they can't; not the R.C. definition). As for the Baptists' proscription on dancing, I can't say for sure because I'm not a Baptist, and not all Baptists prohibit it (there are as many different Baptist theologies as there are Baptist churches, because they're organized congregationally), but I think those that do condemn it do so because they fear it will arouse lust, rather than because dancing is itself a sexual act. I suspect even married people aren't allowed to dance with each other, though. --Angr/ 17:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

text: To what I said above I might add that the "abstention from all sexual intercourse" defintion of chastity might well be the Shaker view; at any rate they didn't marry and could only have children by adopting them. I don't know whether they used the word "chastity" to define their insistence on celibacy, though. --Angr/ 12:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems they did, according to , so I'm adding the information. --Angr/ 12:46, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undid redirect, wrote article 

message: The paragraph on vows of chastity originally read:
:Vows of chastity can also be taken by laymen, either as part of an argoasied religious life (such as Catholic beguins and begards) or on an individual basis, as a voluntary act of devotion and/or as part of an ascetic lifestyle, often devoted to contemplation.
I edited this to remove the words "argoasied" (which seems to be a typo, but I can't tell for what), "beguin" (which means "infatuation" and so makes no sense in this context), and "begard" (which as far as I can tell is not a word of English). --Angr (t·c) 06:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would guess that "argoasied" was originally meant to be "organized", as it's the only word I can think of that would work in that context and shares a number of letters and letter combonations (nearly all; o, a, i, rg, ed. Also, in the British spelling system, sometimes s is used for what in the American spelling system is spelled with a z). It would make perfect sense in that context, as I've never really heard of "Vows of Chastity" being taken outside of the context of a religious organization or group (I have seen the term "Abstinence Pledge" used in reference to sexual abstinence and used in secular contexts, usually as a part of sex ed, especially abstinence-only sex ed, though). Your guess is still as good as mine on "begards", though. :P Runa27 05:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks, Fastifex. I've restored the bit about beguines and beghards now that you've explained what they are, and added links to the relevant articles. User:Angr 14:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed portions 

message: Is their a source for this, because this surely is NOT the Catholic view, or any other Christian view that supports NFP as far as I know.  NFP would be seen as promoting chastity not violating it.  (Assuming no argument, will change this portion later) -- Jbamb 20:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Natural Family Planning an Offense Against Chastity? 

message: Article is missing the Islamic sense of chastity which is quite strong and part of the Sharia Law.  
In addition, there is the whole Mediterranean sense of "honor" that is not associated with any one country or people but which seems to (historically in most places and still today in some places) require a substantial protection of women.
--Blue Tie 14:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural bias

message: I edited/reworked this section, hopefully makeing it more clear.  I also corrected/updated the current law ref the promise of celibacy, and included the footnote for Anglicans being received as Catholics.  I doubt anyone actually wants to read all the specific decrees of various nations, and they do change, but if so, I can provide refs for the United States and Great Britian.DaveTroy 09:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clerics and Catholicism 

message: I believe the statement "While lewd clothing may contribute to successful courtship, such clothing has far reaching implications on society as a whole." to be a POV, that is stated as fact.
Jpritikin claims that POV can't be removed - which policy are you referring to? Please see WP:NPOV.
The paragraph that follows is also full of unsupported claims; but even if we phrase it as "what some cultures believe", that is different from stating that clothing has "far reaching implications" as a fact. Mdwh 21:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I disagree with it, for one. And the problem isn't that a POV is being included - but that the POV is being stated as fact, rather than attributed to a particular point of view. Mdwh 02:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Is it not inaccurate to say that the opposite of chastity is promiscuity?  Chastity refers to adherence to a particular value system, whereas promiscuity is something that really has less of a dependence on a value system.  Also, one can be neither promiscuous nor chaste in a given value system.  I think this sentence ought to be removed.  Cazort (talk) 12:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promiscuity 

message: This paragraph is extremely POV. I am not able to fix it myself but I'd rather have no Islam related information than what's there now. Even better if someone could fix it of course.
#Islam has been careful to distance people from their animalistic desires and Satanic manners
#The chastity of Islam is what restrains the human behaviour from deteriorating into the following of despicable desires.
#Fornication is incompatible with the characteristics of the faithful muslim believer and repulsive to the pious and the God-fearing
I think this speaks for itself. --86.88.18.236 22:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam paragraph 

message: I noticed in this whole article on chastity with a section that has clothing on it that there is no mention of a chastity belt. Perhaps we should include it in the "see also" section?
ZtObOr 21:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the role of Chastity belts in actual history (as opposed to apocryphal legends) is rather minor, but I wouldn't object to a simple "See also" link... AnonMoos (talk) 22:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, now that I think about it, it doesn't belong. And I wonder which "apocryphcal legends" are being referred to here... ZtObOr 23:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That knights going off to the crusades slapped chastity belts on the wives they left behind... AnonMoos (talk) 13:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That, they did. But it's still not relevant to the article. ZtObOr 02:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  What about the modern use of chastity belts? And chastity, as absurd as it may sound, in a modern sexual content in general?  -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:A0DC:B00:8C25:693B:B1FE:A481 (talk) 16:33, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

text: I'm very very late in replying to Ztobor, but crusaders did NOT use chastity belts (which were much more of a Renaissance phenomenon than medieval). AnonMoos (talk) 01:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chastity belts? 

message: ::::: What about the modern use of chastity belts? And chastity, as absurd as it may sound, in a modern sexual content in general?  -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:A0DC:B00:8C25:693B:B1FE:A481 (talk) 16:33, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm very very late in replying to Ztobor, but crusaders did NOT use chastity belts (which were much more of a Renaissance phenomenon than medieval). AnonMoos (talk) 01:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: 2021

message: Chasity is having respect for sex as being primarily a means of reproduction. Indeed, chastity across different cultures is the same thing - sexual restraint to the purpose of bringing human beings into the world. Chastity is a conservative value, as it conserves sexual energies. None of this information is new... it's been known for thousands of years. 74.195.25.78 (talk) 00:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is way in need revision

message: Why does the word "Chastise" redirect to the word "Chastity" when no reference to the word "Chastise" is mentioned? The dictionary definitions of "chastise" are, 1) to inflict punishment on (as by whipping), and, 2) to censure severely.  Please correct this error.  -- PiPhD (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WHY IS "CHASTISE" REDIRECTED TO "CHASTITY"?

message: "The particular ethical system may not prescribe each of these. For example, within the scope of Christian ethic, ..."
:Does anyone endorse this writing style? patsw (talk) 01:03, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pretentious pseudo-scholar talk 

message: Islam developed in what is technically the east, the middle part of it more specifically, but it is without a doubt an Abrahamic religion. I'm going to move it to the Abrahamic section, if anyone has a problem with it please note it here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.92.161.161 (talk) 02:48, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam as an Eastern Religion? 

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message: I have no idea of the meaning of "sexual purity" .Chiloa (talk) 13:35, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Christianity  

message: In heterosexual marriage, are sexual practices not directed toward reproduction against chastity ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chiloa (talk • contribs) 13:51, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: They're against celibacy, but if you define chastity as limiting all sexual acts exclusively within marriage (i.e. with one's lawfully-wedded spouse only), and keeping one's sexual thoughts and feelings under control and in what was considered to be their proper place (i.e. not letting them dominate one's life), they're not against chastity... AnonMoos (talk) 05:03, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition

message: When I read the article and the word it capitalize, must it not be qualified as "artificial"?
The head says that its root is "the seven virtues" but there sex is not mentioned. Many people "yes especially those "simple-minds" relate it to clean neat and tidy". And that is far more important because in that sexual behavior eventual finds its place.
145.129.136.48 (talk) 23:44, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artifice? 

message: The sentence "Sexual acts outside or apart from marriage... are considered immoral..." does not apply to all Abrahamic religions. In Judaism, premarital sex is strongly discouraged, but (unlike adultery and incest) it is not halachically forbidden, and therefore not inherently sinful. --ABehrens (talk) 04:52, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abrahamic religions 

message: There are no references whatsoever in the "Sharia" subtitle.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiJoe24 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of References 

message: Should there be a section on kink acts involving chasitity?147.134.92.125 (talk) 02:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We have an article Erotic sexual denial... -- AnonMoos (talk) 14:48, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexual pleasure