Talk:Hidden track

message: This is from the Tool FAQ, Question E11:
<BLOCKQUOTE>E11. Hey, my vinyl copy of "Opiate" doesn't have the hidden song!
    This was thought to be some terrible oversight until someone figured this out:
    "If you'll notice, the secret song on the Opiate album appears not to be on the Opiate vinyl. I was listening quickly to the vinyl one day, lifting the needle from song to song when suddenly I noticed the secret song ... during Cold & Ugly! It just so happens that the vinyl was specially made so that depending on where the needle falls, you will hear either Cold & Ugly or the secret song ... once the secret song finished, there will be silence until the needle goes back onto the right track .. you will then hear Jerk-Off." </BLOCKQUOTE>
Does that provide a clear enough description of the results of of double-grooving (while it doesn't refer to it as such) for this particular EP? It's not great, as it more describes results, but the results are consistant with the method (which is to say, the album is double grooved, and depending which groove you're in, you'll get a different song, just so you don't need to go find the part of the article I'm referring to) - Thespian 09:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That reference sounds fine to me, I've added it to the article. I've also added a couple of book references, found via Google Books. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 11:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be fine to you, Reinoutr, but not to Wikipedia, which requires at least two reliable sources for verifiability, not just one. Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability for more information about this policy. --Fandelasketchup (talk) 14:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Opinion of Cite

message: I'm thinking of either scrapping the Reasoning section or looking for stuff that's more readily cited; I can find things like reviewers saying 'It makes sense that Horse is a hidden track, as it's so different from the rest of the album.' but nothing from the actual band themselves. While the information is no doubt out there, rather than backing this up, it might just be easier to find things like Alanis M's many interviews where she discusses why "Your House" is hidden, etc.
:I've just added some more references and removed all that remained unsourced from the reasoning section (for which I could not find references anywhere). The only section that remains to be sourced is the "titles" section. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 21:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reasoning

message: The songs that are in the article are there because they show an example of a certain method of hiding, or because they bring something to the table about why they are hidden, etc. If you have a favourite hidden song you want to list, please do it in the List of albums containing a hidden track. Songs added to this article should have a specific reason they're being added (new method, interesting reason for being hidden, new way of being marketed or coming to light, etc). Also, if you have a *better* citation of one of the samples (some of the ones we have are weak), or if you have specific links to articles in which artists discuss their hidden tracks, that'd be great. - Thespian 05:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: There Are A Lot of Hidden Songs

message: :For example, "Her Majesty," which is preceded by fourteen seconds of silence, was originally unlisted on The Beatles' Abbey Road"
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:The Beatles's "Her Majesty" from Abbey Road. ...It begins after eleven seconds of silence following "The End".
REALLY?!?!?!
*head explodes*
In the article says that the hidden "noise" after A Day In The Life would be the first hidden track, as it was released two years prior to Abbey Road. However, in the White Album (one year prior to Abbey Road) also appears a hidden track, after the song "Cry Baby Cry". The hidden song is unnamed, although is known as "Can You Take Me Back". Should it be put on the article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.3.43.43 (talk) 22:49, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Beatles

message: I've spotted two errors on this page, but as I don't know the albums in question someone else will have to fix them.
* Notability: 'Pearl Jam's song "4/20/02," [...] begins exactly 4:20:02 after the conclusion of the song "Bee Girl." '  4 hours, 20 minutes and 2 seconds?!?!  Given that the maximum running time of a pressed CD is only about a quarter of this, it seems rather unlikely; perhaps it should read 4:20.02 (4 minutes, 20 seconds and 20 milliseconds).
* References: number 14 reads "# ^ Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named kerosene_hat".  What it says, presumably, or some other error with the wikicode source.
217.171.129.71 (talk) 19:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Page maintenance needed

message: I'm assuming hidden tracks can't be accessed when albums have been converted into MP3 form. If so, I think this should be mentioned. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 22:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: MP3s

message: There should really be a section on different methods of hiding tracks on different mediums e.g. CDs and records.  It seems silly to have to read through a list of "notable" hidden tracks to find some of the methods used.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.157.100 (talk) 09:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This section was there, but it was vandalised away ages ago.  I've just reinstated it. -- Smjg (talk) 11:40, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Methods of hiding tracks

message: Is there any notable criticism about them? I know I find them annoying but is there anything documented? Sweetie candykim (talk) 19:30, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a quick google search, couldn't find much that wasn't people on forums. This might be notable, but it might not (it's on guardian.co.uk, which is generally considered reliable, but it's a blog, so is it still reliable? I don't know). I also found this, but again, not sure on its notability/reliability. Anyone have a comment on the notability of these sources, or able to find other sources? MrMoustacheMM (talk) 22:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: Vinyl release of London Calling by The Clash did have a sticker on it calling "Train in Vain" a secret hidden track. Nantucketnoon (talk) 07:29, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Terminology

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