Talk:Democratic Underground

message: We need something in here about how Democratic Underground doesn't allow criticism of particular democratic politicians even from democrats who just want to improve the party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.2.221.218 (talk) 16:32, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I removed a bit today. I am wondering though if I ought to remove the DU-glossary stuff. It does add character to the article, but unless reference to DU itself is the source, how can we cite this? I have looked several times and found no real press or book mention of these things anywhere. PLEASE somebody step up to the plate on this? Thanks! (And if you can find RS cites for anything I removed, please feel free to put it back - but DO NOT put it back uncited. I will not edit-war here.) --BenBurch (talk) 18:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Citing DU itself is acceptable in this instance, because we can cite it in the DU article. It's on that basis that we can cite to DU rules. The glossary does add to the article. I think it should stay. JamesMLane t c 01:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. --BenBurch (talk) 02:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing uncited stuff. 

message: Here is an example of bias on Democratic Underground, in that Alcee Hasting's quote was removed from this General Discussion at Democratic Underground on May 6, 2009. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5601693#5602666.
"This bill addresses our resolve, to end violence based on prejudice, and to guarantee that all Americans regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability, or all of these philias (pedophilia being one of those he mentioned), fetishes, and isms, that were put forward, need not live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of this rule, so that we continue to move this country toward fully achieving its' promise, of justice, and liberty for all Americans."
A video of the above can be found here -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBYhkQpcQxY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewikio%2Ecom%2Fvideo%2F1077599&feature=player_embedded
For those that would question the validity of this information, try posting Alcee's quote in a General Discussion forum, and then watch how fast it is removed. Whether the quote is relevant to what is being discussed, or whether it is its' own thread, Alcee's quote will be removed promptly.
If this isn't bias, then what is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaggo Waggo (talk • contribs) 18:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Our article states, in the first paragraph, that DU is for people who are "generally supportive of progressive ideals and support Democratic candidates for political office." Thus our article makes clear that DU is not, and does not purport to be, an unbiased forum. The citation to DU's own rules is better support for that point than the treatment of one specific quotation. I doubt that a day goes by without the DU moderators removing a post that violates DU rules, and there's no point in our trying to catalog each such incident. JamesMLane t c 15:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "progressive ideals"? What does that even mean? It's quite obvious that the posters there have a strong liberal lean. That needs to be stated in the lead more definitively. Enigmamsg 18:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say that "progressive" means roughly the same as "liberal" in the American sense, but Europeans often use "liberal" to mean "supporting unfettered free markets", so "progressive" is a better choice. JamesMLane t c 02:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Along the lines of pro-Democratic Underground bias 

message: There's very little here to suggest this is a notable website. All I see is a link to a doctoral thesis and some vague references to statistics (which have never been a factor in notability). Please close this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.7.199 (talk) 04:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Among others, the DU has been mentioned in/on the New York Times, Fox News, USA Today, and NBC News. While not in and of themselves a sure litmus test for Wikipedia inclusion, such coverage suggests that the website is notable, literally. --Crusher1 (talk) 01:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability? 

message: I removed this subsection. This was a short lived program (several months at best) that has seen no activity since 2005. Hardly notable enough to even mention, let alone have its own section. 67.158.177.29 (talk) 17:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Activist Corps 

message: There is a considerable amount of criticism of DU from the left-- has been for a long time-- and yet, the only criticism listed is from the right. I'm not going to look up the entire edit history, but I can only assume this is due to censorship by DU supporters. They are quite good and aggressive at censorship at DU, so I presume these same skills/attitudes have been brought to Wikipedia --SmashTheGlass (talk) 01:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Before making such assumptions, you might read WP:AGF. As for the specifics of reporting criticism, we can include it (whether it's from the left or the right) if it's from a prominent spokesperson (generally, not just some blogger) and if a proper citation can be provided. If you're familiar with material that meets those criteria, post it here and we can discuss whether it merits inclusion in the article. JamesMLane t c 20:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Criticism from the left 

message: I corrected the information regarding user registrations and post count from a 2007 reference to present day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AHIAPRP (talk • contribs) 23:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Registered users and post count numbers 

message: I think part of the "Copyright infringement lawsuit" section should be reworded. Section includes "The suit was brought by Righthaven, an entity that finds Review-Journal quotations online, buys the copyright for that story from the newspaper, ...." However a recent press release by EFF says "The judge ruled that Righthaven did not have the legal authorization to bring a copyright lawsuit against the political forum Democratic Underground, because it had never owned the copyright in the first place. ..." --EarthFurst (talk) 08:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Recent piece at The Raw Story has headline "Judge: ... Righthaven may have lied in hundreds of lawsuits". I've looked through a pdf of the Judge's "full order" and I believe the sections The Raw Story is referring to is on page 10 "Finally, Righthaven contends that multiple courts within this district have already determined that Righthaven has standing to bring claims for past infringement under the Silver standard based on the plain language of the copyright assignment. At best, this argument is disingenuous. As the undersigned issued one of the orders Righthaven cites for this argument, the undersigned is well aware that Righthaven led the district judges of this district to believe that it was the true owner of the copyright in the relevant news articles. Righthaven did not disclose the true nature of the transaction by disclosing the SAA or Stephens Media’s pecuniary interests. ..." and "the Court believes that Righthaven failed to disclose Stephens Media as an interested party in any of its approximately 200 cases filed in this District." --08:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright infringement section now incorrect 

message: Two Several editors have removed Roberthode's additions of unsourced "Censorship" text, explaining that the material fails WP:V, WP:NPOV, and notability tests. Nothing has a "right" to be added to WP, and there is no WP:Consensus for it be added. Please discuss. Rostz (talk) 12:11, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The two editors appear to have no interest in fixing the supposed offending text and removed the entire section on Censorship. No offer to correct the deficiencies were given. I removed any statement that could appear to be opinionated but yet they still remove the whole section. Even a basic list would not satisfy them. Why are they censoring my contributions and not offering to correct the supposed deficiencies? My contributions are factual and without any opinionated statements. I would appreciate it if they stop reverting my changes unless they can offer a detailed explanation of the offending text.--Roberthode (talk) 16:30, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a possible source for the material (the actual ToS), but no source for its notability or relevance.—Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict) It doesn't appear that you have read any of the referenced policies. To spell them out once again: all edits require verifiability (WP:V) using reliable sources (WP:RS) at a minimum, which you have not provided. Following that, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, so additions require notability - what is the long-term significance of the material? Secondary (WP:SECONDARY) sources help demonstrate this. Finally, edits are subject to consensus (WP:Consensus). Your addition has failed all these tests, and the next step is dispute resolution (WP:DR), not edit warring. Rostz (talk) 17:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Note:  has been blocked (but not by me) for edit warring on this article. He may comment again again in about 23 hours.—Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Censorship" 

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