Talk:E Street Band

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There is a seperate article for The E-Street Band in their own right. Could somebody establish a link between the entry for Springsteen and this article. At moment the link from Springsteen's entry just reverts to his page. djln 26 Oct 2005
:Ugh, this is a total mess. The intent has been that the Bruce Springsteen article would have section that would handle the E Street Band as a unit, while each E Street member would have their own individual article to cover their careers, including outside of Bruce. That's why E Street Band and The E Street Band just redirect back to the Bruce article.
:This new The E-Street Band article overlaps and duplicates both the Bruce and the individual member articles. It also isn't very well written, and is based on a false premise (in my opinion) that the E Street Band has some meaningful existence outside the context of Springsteen. When I get a chance I'll try to look at the whole shmagoo and figure out what to do. Wasted Time R 15:25, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It gets worse. There is also a separate E-Street Band (stub) article as well. Wasted Time R 12:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

text: No reason not to have an article about the band itself. I moved The E-Street Band to E Street Band, cleaned up, copyedited, removed a few POV phrases. Overall it's a good article although there is still a lot of overlap with this one. [...] Rhobite 01:36, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should there be a separate E Street Band article? 

message: I'm kinda uncomfortable with the statement in the article that The E Street Band has performed with other artists. Individual members of the band have done so of course (sometimes several of them at the same time), but never as the band. Its misleading to suggest they have, and leaves the inference that somewhere out there is a Gary US Bonds and The E Street Band album. [04:33, 14 February 2006 OttawaShane]
:I agree, the article needs more clarity here. As far as I know there is one clear case where they did: "Say Goodbye to Hollywood" is credited to Ronnie Spector and The E Street Band. Are there any other such instances? Wasted Time R 12:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I've pulled in some of the history of this article's creation from Talk:Bruce Springsteen, so that above you can see that some felt back then that the E Street Band has little real existence outside the context of working with Springsteen. Wasted Time R 12:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has the E Street Band really performed with other artists? 

message: The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Jreferee 22:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: I don't have background on Mr. Chinnock, however with the inclusion of his page link on the E street page and having no existing page on the Wiki, I wanted to add that if someone wanted to go down that road, Chinnock passed away on March 9, 2007. Reference: Boston.com -- Rabbi Bob 11:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: The infobox lists Bruce Springsteen first as a member of the E Street Band. While he's inevitably associated with them, I question whether this is really accurate for several reasons. First, when they play together live they're invariably credited as "Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band." Second, if, as Wasted Time R notes above, a record was credited to "Ronnie Spector and the E Street Band" (assuming that record didn't involve Springsteen), then he's arguably separate. Third, the first sentence of the article implies that Springsteen isn't a member: "The E Street Band is a musical group that has periodically toured and recorded with rock musician Bruce Springsteen since 1972." This sentence is worded in a way that suggests that they're a backing band (although I think most of us would give them a lot more credit than that).
I don't think it's a huge problem, and since the E Street Band is universally associated with Springsteen it might be odd to delete him. That's why I raised it here instead of changing it in the article. A casual reader who is not a hardcore Springsteen fan might find it more confusing were his name not there. Anyone have any thoughts? 1995hoo (talk) 14:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Springsteen himself really a member? 

message: One or more of this article's authors used up a fair amount of space parsing Soozie Tyrrel's status vis a vis the band. She was onstage during Springsteen's Super XLIII halftime show, playing guitar and singing backing vocals, for whatever that's worth. So it would appear that she is in fact a member of the band. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 01:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's still ambiguous. There's a de jure E Street Band and a de facto E Street Band. The former, perhaps bound by legal status, is represented by promotional photographs that leave her out and album credits that put her in a separate space apart from both the other band members and any other additional musicians. The latter is represented by reality: she appears on several tracks per studio album, the same as some other ESB members outside the Weinberg-Tallent-Bittan core, and she appears on every song of every show on concert tours, playing featured violin parts on some songs and backing vocals, acoustic guitar, or percussion on all the others. And when de jure member Patti Scialfa misses shows, which she does quite often (sometimes a majority of the time) due to domestic duties, Tyrell takes her place on the front line of the stage and takes over her featured duet vocals role as well. So I've taken the approach here that the de facto should taken precedence in terms of the template box, but we do have to explain the situation in the article. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Soozie Tyrell

message: Shouldn't Jay Weinberg be listed as a member in the infobox rather than an associated act? After all, he is technically a member, certainly as much as Suki Lahav was. Daskill (talk) 22:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no good definition of who was/is a member of the E Street Band and who isn't. But Jay certainly isn't an associated act; I've removed that. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with removal. I've added him in as a member; I think he fits the bill. Daskill (talk) 11:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jay Weinberg as a member or an associated act? 

message: Regarding the photos of the band on this page... The maker of the photos (Wasted Time R) has released them under Creative Commons. But, I'm not sure that makes the images copyright-clean. Every rock concert I've been to specifically restricts the use of cameras and recording devices. A picture of a band member taken on the street (in a public place) is acceptable use, but inside the paid area of a performance venue is definitely not a public place. So, if the pictures were taken without the permission of the performers, then they aren't copyright-clean, right?
Granted that with ubiquitous cell-phone cameras this may be a losing battle, but Wikipedia should not be publishing works that violate copyright laws. 152.17.59.56 (talk) 18:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band photos -- allowable use? 

message: Shouldn't both now be considered E Street Band members? On Springsteen's current Wrecking Ball Tour and during the band Roll Call segment in My City of Ruins he has announced both as being part of the E Street Band. He even has announced members like Roy Bittan before Charlie Giordano or Soozie Tyrell. On past tours he would announce them prior to the E Street Band introductions but now they are part of it. He also announces the members of the E Street Horns and E Street Choir.
Jason1978 (talk) 12:08, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Giordano and Tyrell

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message: The timeline for the band looks rather odd. There are some back and grey stripes all over the image. What is this supposed to be? --Soren84 (talk) 23:11, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The last edit had somehow broken the timeline chart. I've just undone it--Gorpik (talk) 14:06, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: Little Steven did not rejoin the E street band 1995 but 1999. In 1995 he was not a member of the E street band. He rejoined 1999 after Bruce asked Nils if it was ok. He played some gigs with the E Street band 1995 but only as a guest not a member. On the 1995 Greatest hits album Only Nils is E Street band guitarist as seen on the photo of the CD. Peter7777ab (talk) 21:32, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
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message: The Band members section of the article is inaccurate. The Springsteen website is quite explicit that the only current members are Springsteen, Van Zandt, Scialfa,  Weinberg, Tallent, Bittan and Lofgren. 
Tyrell, Giordano and Jake Clemons are listed as "Additional Musicians". 
The Wikipedia article should report the facts as they are published by the band. WWGB (talk) 02:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band members section inaccurate 

message: Section on Asbury Park origins.
Does a phrase like "picked the cherries of the Jersey Shore" really belong in an encyclopedic source? If this is quoting a person or publication, it should be encased in quotes and provide the appropriate references. Otherwise it's slang that lends a biased tone to the facts. If Springsteen sought out other talented musicians who were locally popular at the time in the same region of New Jersey, then that's what it should say. Wiki articles shouldn't rely on familiarity with colloquialisms to be understood. 2603:9000:7002:A819:9572:B030:139:4473 (talk) 23:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picked the cherries?