Talk:Fast of the Firstborn

message: I just created this article. Hope it's informative, but it may be too technical. If anyone can proofread, balance, or just generally improve the article, I'd appreciate it. (It's the first non-stub article I've created, so I'd appreciate tips for the future on this talk page or on my user talk page). Thanks. HKT 06:26, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Creating the article

message: I hope to add a "Philosophy of the Fast" section, soon. It should be a nice improvement. HKT 19:23, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philosophy 

message: I moved the article back to fast of the firstborn for the simple reasons that (1) many articles link thither and very few to fast of the Firstborn and (2) among those many is . —msh210 18:32, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  capital/lowercase "firstborn" 

message: This particular fast is not commonly observed outside of Orthodox Judaism. In general, this doesn't seem broadly relevant enough to merit inclusion of the Jew template, and the Jewish holidays template seems adequate. HKT 18:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: While it may seem strange to have a holiday template for a fast day, there really is no reason why this template shouldn't apply.  Jon513 21:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "holiday" infobox 

message: I have heard several views that first-born sons after a previously known (but terminated) pregnancy are NOT B'chorim as in the requirements of Pidyon haBen. Thus, they do not have to fast. Since Caesarian section babies do not naturally "open the womb", they cannot be B'chorim either. Converts are also excluded regardless of their biological first-born status. Of course, girls are excluded altogether, although I have heard first-born women and girls observe the fast in more liberal communities. --OneTopJob6 05:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you seem to have heard quite a lot of things.  Could you perhaps point us to some sources. Jon513 15:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: This source is linked to at the bottom of the article: "The status of a bechor born by cesarean section, or of a first-born non-Jew who converts, is a matter of disagreement among the poskim. It is therefore recommended that these bechorim participate in a seudas mitzvah and thereby satisfy all opinions." Most (if not all) authorities would require fasting in the case of a previous pregnancy. Please see Fast of the firstborn#Qualifications for fasting, which discusses your other issues. HKTTalk 03:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is NOT a B'chor? 

message: The introduction states "Unlike most Jewish fast days, only firstborns are required to fast on the Fast of the Firstborn." However, there is no citation. My personal experience has suggested this is incorrect, though I have no substantiated research to point to for evidence. Can anyone clarify with a source?
Jnklein (talk) 20:16, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read Fast of the Firstborn#Origins and Fast of the Firstborn#Qualifications for fasting, which discuss and cite sources for this. Also, see Fast of the Firstborn#Meaning of the fast, which cites R' Jacob Emden as a source for the custom held by some non-firstborns to fast. HKTTalk 22:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only the firstborn fasts? 

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