Talk:South Korea/Archive 2

message: This article was refactored on the 14th of October, 2005, for readability, length, and removal of out-dated discussions. To view the refactored text, go here . Masterhatch 03:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I partially disagree with a few of the comments made by the writer below and want to know who removed the whole 3 intro paragraphs without stating any reason. All countries have at least 4 paragraphs of introduction and it consists of a general intro, history, politics and economy.
Regarding the writer below, shipbuilding is a vital and crucial part of the Korean economy providing over 10% of total GDP to the nation. While it may seem like nothing important to normal consumers (who don't get to buy ships), if you are an economist, you would know that shipbuilding is a major industry in the world. The fact that South Korea overtook Japan in 2004 as the no.1 shipbuilder was a national festival and celebration, so you can see the level of importance of shipbuilding to Koreans.
Anyway, I did take your comment in account though, and edited out the details. Hope this resolves the problem. I also editd out a few words that make it look a bit propaganda like, in my opinion, the intro now gives an excellent introduction to the country, and covers the important history, a bit of politics and two important paragraphs summarizing the economic aspects:
One to show general economics about the country and the other about its major industries. Details are written at each designated sections after the intro.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.36.188.10 (talk) 22:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: I mean really, I went to this page because my family is deciding whether to travel to South Korea for the summer and I was interested in the culture. I have since also went on to WikiTravel instead. This is one of the few encyclopedia articles about a country that hardly even seems like an encyclopedia article at all! I should also mention that I am a CHINESE born in Canada in case any of the Japanese/Koreans here start hating me.
I just edited: "In the 1950s, South Korea was one of the poorest countries in Asia.[7] At the end of World War II, the country inherited a colonial economic system designed solely for Japan's *exploitative* needs." NPOV PLEASE. You don't put your own little subjective descriptions. Even the wiki article on IRAQ is not filled with subjective nonsense.
Also, I'm wondering if it is really necessary to put a blurb about South Korea's entertainment industry in the INTRODUCTION. I think it should be included in the article... but in the introduction? That's like talking about hockey in the "Canada" wiki page or Hollywood in the United States article. Might as well mention Starcraft in the introduction as well then.
Last, there are other way too subjective words and strange content in the introduction. "South Korea has been a VIBRANT multi-party democracy for two decades."; "UNIQUE cuisine" "South Korea is the largest shipbuilder in the world in terms of tonnage." Honestly, a 5-party system is vibrant? Does anyone really care if South Korea is the largest shipbuilder in the world (whatever that means- it's a highly ambiguous phrase)?  I honestly cannot tell if some proud Koreans wrote this article or if the South Korean's government's personal propaganda team wrote it. 
I suggest the people editing this article take note of proper "country" articles like Canada, United States, Russia, France, etc.EvolutionaryCreationist 22:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly agree with everything you say there, except maybe the bit about ship building.  Ship building may seem like a kind of obscure topic, but it's kind of more indicative of a country's overall heavy industry abilities.  Serious heavy equipment for things like nuclear power plants and a whole host of industries will almost always have to be made in shipyards.  It's pretty significant for a nation the size of S. Korea to have such a title, and can probably give them a competitive edge in certain industrial exports dispropoxrtionate of their size. -Theanphibian (talk • contribs) 03:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the ship building, actually there are people who actually cares about this kind of information. An encyclopedia article about a country should list an indication of a heavy industry ability, and ship building is definitely a part of it. 69.144.184.243 07:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this really encyclopedia article? 

message: I updated the South Korean GDP as per the IMF 2006 list. That list can be found at:  -Doug Johnson
How could South Korea enter the 'trillion dollar club of world economies' in 2004 if its GDP in this year is 720,772 million dollars? (List of countries by GDP (nominal)) --no direct evidence. Actually, S. Korea entered the trillion dollar club : links: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html
The same happens with the data on the top of the page (NO):
GDP - Total (2005 est.)- $1.099 trillion
in the List of countries by GDP (nominal) using data from 2005 its $0.72 trillion. You use purchasing power parity values, which I think is not the right way. At least you have to mention it! -Hey, yo(u), I really disagree with your thinkings! How about China and Japan and India? They are also doing rapid economic growth! Your reasons do not make sense! Also, there are a lots of different datas. But, usually, the country uses the official determination of either the bank of that country or of credit organization such as World Bank, Moody's.
GDP/head - $22,543 in the List of countries by GDP (nominal) its 14,784!
You really should say if you use PPP or nominal values. As for example in People's Republic of China.
... as nobody answered, I felt free to change the above mentioned points.
* The GDP per capita has the old rank (33), which is probably pre-update.  I'm not sure what's correct, or how to go about fixing that.  Also, shouldn't it include the year it was relevant to? ehudshapira 23:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy 

message: sorry, looks like in the confusion of a different revert war with militant, i reverted this article 4 times. the section seems pretty obviously pov, either unsourced or sourced to japan pov, ungrammatical, & overall apologist in tone. if anyone other than militant wants to undo my 4th revert, please go ahead, i'd be glad to continue discussion here before further reverts. funny how newly registered militant immediately starts a volley of japan pov edits, including at Korean-Japanese disputes, but is intimately familiar with 3rr & article move & redirect procedures. Appleby 07:25, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: latest revert

message: The article should be called Republic of Korea, with South_Korea redirecting to it, not vice versa.  The article for NK should be Democratic People's Republic of Korea, with North_Korea redirecting to it.  Can someone take care of this? 69.118.247.101 20:17, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it shouldn't.  See Wikipedia:Use common names.  -- Visviva 05:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaming?

message: + Why was Korea Scout Association removed from South Korea? It is related, it is not vandalism, no reason was given as to it was removed.  Chris 03:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't do it, but I'd guess it's because it is no more related to South Korea than many other articles contained in the many subcategories of :Category:South Korea.  This is why we have the List of Korea-related topics, to which the KSA article has been added.  -- Visviva 03:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's part of the culture of the country and should go there.  I see massive sets of reverts in the history of this article.  Unless you form a South Korea WikiProject, these self-appointed guardians have no right to repeatedly revert edits--it is not in the Wiki spirit.  And if you do revert, you should provide an explanation.  If you form a project, you could claim it's in the scheme of the project to do so, otherwise; you are just another Wikipeidian. Rlevse 23:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no doubt that it is part of South Korean culture.  So are the topics of all of the articles in :Category:Korean culture, and many more besides.  Should we add them too?  -- Visviva 07:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, and for my part, I didn't revert; I removed a large number of other inappropriate links.  I see that the external links section needs some work too.  -- Visviva 07:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have little or no knowledge of a Korean Boy Scout Association, nor must it be very popular, because as I have mentioned, have never seen  a single poster, ad, or banner revering a Korean Scout Association. I will not make any changes, but I highly support the insertion of this topic by a person more learned in that scope. Oyo321 15:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this should not be included in the article. Sure, it's related, but it holds little importance as part of the article. 69.144.184.243 07:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: deletion of [[Korea Scout Association]] from [[South Korea]]

message: From South Korea: Foreign relations: "Koreans also have some bad relations with the United States, its main ally, mainly due to abuse by soldiers at American bases and also regarding aggressive militarism over the war in Iraq."
bad relations? what is this? too vague, shallow and biased.
Well there is the famous case of the GIs who ran over and killed (2?) School girls. Also there is a large Anit-Americanism (stemming from the US support of the military dictatorships and the percieved permission that went towards the Kwangju uprising) movement in Korea. Also (from living in Seoul as a foreigner perspective) the GIs and certain English Teachers can be rather uncaring to the more conservative Korean culture and customs, especially when in clubs or bars. Many Koreans are also upset that Korea has sent troops to Iraq in a war that they dont feel they should have any part in. And the recent attempts by the US government to gain access to the rice market in Korea as well. All of these things add up to a general anti-americanism at a cultural level but at a Political level I do not think this is the case. Rufusde 16:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. --Nissi Kim 20:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Korea relationship with United States 

message: I've decided to erase Kunosoke's edits regarding SK foreign relations. It was poorly termed, POV, and false.
The South Korea-Japan relation became intimate by Kim Dae-jung. (Japanese culture openness policy etc)　However, the South Korea-Japan relation is returned by Roh Moo-hyun in the age of "Apology and compensation".	
Not only was this excerpt poorly termed, there is no mention of President "Roh-Moo Hyun" returning Korea-Japan relation to age of "apology and compensation." He simply reprimanded for ambassador Takano's statements regarding Liancourt Rocks, and said that he understood Japanese people's anger on NK abductions of Japanese citizens, but to remember the fain pelt by Koreans during Japanese colonial rule of Korea.
"Touching on the issue of Japanese citizens allegedly abducted by North Korea, Roh expressed understanding of the Japanese people's anger.
"But I call on the Japanese to understand the sufferings of Korean people forced to serve as comfort women and laborers during the colonial period,' he said. "
"President Roh stressed the need for the two nations to be reborn as close neighbors based on sincerity in a bid to jointly open an era of Northeast Asia, noting this year marks the 40th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries."
Commision on Human Rights clarified an intimacy in North Korea and a diplomatic war to Japan in South Korea with South Korea. 2005/04/07､South Korea united with North Korea and did the complaint to the history education of Japan.  
Again, poorly worded, and the reference this time is a Political cartoon. The caption in itself has nothing to do with SK working with NK. It just shows Presidedent Roh Moo Hyun saying "it is unfortunate to be living near Japan". Again, it's not his direct quote, rather a "Political Cartoon". 
South Korea is politically conflicting with Japan after the president Roh Moo-hyun declares a diplomatic war against Japan in 2005. 
This is the most Ridiculous claim I've heard. First of all, President Roh Moo-hyun never DECLARED a diplomatic war to Japan. See this exact quote from his address.
"These tasks will not be easy to achieve. It is not only a tough but also uncomfortable thing to try to find fault with and point fingers at others. The two countries may confront each other more often than they did. It could also be very embarrassing to quarrel with each other for the whole world to see.
There could be a tough diplomatic war. And that may adversely affect exchanges in economic, social, cultural and various other sectors, especially causing concern about possible economic difficulties." 
President Roh-Moo Hyun declares a diplomatic war? Oh really? That was a deliberate twist of his quote to seem like he "declared war" on Japan.
For Goguryeo part, this is a quote from Talk:Goguryeo
"But China in April took what is viewed as an apparent attempt to claim the kingdom wholly as its own, abruptly declaring it as part of its history and deleting references to Goguryeo as part of Korea from its Web site.
"The move followed a series of similar actions by Chinese academic and media organizations to claim sovereignty of the kingdom, which ruled the upper part of the Korean Peninsula and what today is Manchuria in China from 37 B.C. to A.D. 668."
"Then, on Thursday it was discovered that China has now deleted from its Foreign Ministry Web site its entire section on Korea's history up until 1948, when South Korea was formally established." 
Deiaemeth 19:52, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any problems with your edits, as your edits seem to be NPOV and factually accurate. I rv'd user:Kamosuke's edits because he boldly inserted his brazen POV views (suggesting "south korea does not care about north korea human rights), deliberate misinterpretation of sources (citing UNCHR resolution as un acknowledge korea declare diplomatic war on japan), factual inaccuracy (claiming there no diplomatic relationships between china and korea!!!), etc, etc. If he wishes to contribute constructively to any Korea-related articles, or any articles, his edits will be welcomed. But as you can see in the page (and other Korea-related articles) history, his edits have been deemed unsuitable and reverted by many other editors. Deiaemeth 00:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:Kunosoke 's recent edits regarding Foreign Relations of South Korea 

message: Can I ask someone with more knowledge about Korean culture than me to please take a look at Contemporary culture of South Korea? PhatJew 20:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! I remember having a set of biographies of famous people in Korean (위인전), and I read about Na Woon-gyu and how he dedicated his life to cinmatography. It's good to see more editors working on Korea-related articles, as some materials definitely need some expansion. Deiaemeth 23:23, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks, Deiaemeth. I don't think it's mentioned in the Na Woon-gyu article... maybe in the article on his film, Arirang... but a Japanese film collector who died last year may have had copies of some of Na's films. Since Na Woon-gyu's films are all presently presumed lost, it would be wonderful if one is rediscovered. As a lover of both silent film and Asian film, I am hoping we will be able to see one of Na Woon-gyu's films some day. 
Rizzleboffin 18:31, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Contemporary Culture

message: i may be biased because i contributed  a lot to Names of Korea, but i think it would be helpful to have a link to that article near the top of this article. it would be consistent with not only Korea and North Korea, but with most other country articles to explain the country's name in the lead. WP:WPC: "If the etymology of a country's name is too long to explain in the lead section, split it out into a separate section (titled "Name" or similar)." i'm not wedded to the previous wording specifically, but i would like to see a bit more info on the name at the top. Appleby 18:04, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The introduction must be kept as easy-to-read as possible. One issue that I would like to bring up is that there are articles entitled "People's Republic of China" and "Republic of China", but not "Republic of Korea" and "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Instead, we have the unofficial "South Korea" and "North Korea". I really think South Korea should redirect to Republic of Korea, not vice-versa. In other words, this article should be entitled "Republic of Korea".--Sir Edgar 02:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  names 

message: I removed the sentence below, because I cannot find any trace of a "famous South Korean diplomat" by this name (유근우?  or maybe 유건우?).  It might just be a matter of spelling -- if anyone can verify this content, please feel free to return it to the article.
:Famous South Korean diplomat Peter Yu (Yu Keun-woo in Korean), once said, "The change of the peninsula to simplified characterisation played a central role in converting the power structure and development of future generations." 
Cheers, -- Visviva 14:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter Yu? 

message: User:Visviva has worked hard to create a brand new Portal:Korea. Please take a look & contribute if you can. I think the new Template:Korea topics has the potential to be a more useful reference tool than categories or lists, if editors continue to expand and update it. It's also a good reminder for help & requests on ye olde notice board. Hopefully, this will help revive some activity all around. Appleby 21:23, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new [[Portal:Korea]] 

message: Suggesting we add a section about major transportation systems.
Cb vicious 15:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We do already have Transportation in South Korea, which could use some work BTW.  I would personally prefer not to add any more sections to this article, which is already 36 KB large.  However, perhaps we could add a paragraph on this subject in the "Economy" section?  -- Visviva 23:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

text: That sounds like a good idea. Lets get that together then? --Cb vicious 15:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for [[korea]] 

message: I reverted the change of the national motto to "역동적인 한국 / (Progressing Korea)" because I can't find any evidence that this has become the country's official motto.  Also, I think it's generally translated "Dynamic Korea," but that's neither here nor there.  -- Visviva 23:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i've wondered about that myself. a while back, trying to find a good translation for hongik ingan, i couldn't confirm that it was a "national motto" either. i'd personally be ok with hongik ingan as a similar substitute, or with "none". Appleby 02:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have a reference for the one currently listed, "Broadly bring benefit to humanity"? A Google search only yields Wikipedia mirrors. Pruneautalk 00:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National motto 

message: I think the military and foreign relations parts should be seperated, with more info added on Military part. Right now, there are only two sentences describing military of Korea - that does not do the Korean military justice! The paragraph on Military should be how it came into effect (expansion after Korean war), number of personnels, history of Peacekeeping operatives, etc.Deiaemeth 04:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We do have a size issue here; the article already weighs in at 39K.  -- Visviva 05:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, many other articles on countries tend to go over 50K ...  I guess there is just too much info to incorporate. If the size is the problem, I guess the current state is good enough. :) Deiaemeth 05:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military and Foreign relations 

message: This article was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because it no longer meets criterion 2 (verifiability).  It also has recurrent NPOV and stability issues. -- Visviva 08:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it qualifies for status as a Good Article yet. I worked on the Japan article far more than I have with this one, unfortunately. It deserves more attention really.--Sir Edgar 04:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article removed from [[Wikipedia:Good articles]]

message: I was wondering why this article is not named "Republic of Korea", which is an official and common name?  BlizzardGhost 04:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipeda standard is to use the popular name, not the official name. --70.142.40.34 22:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  naming? 

message: How can South Korea be a leading producer of video games?  Surely there's been some mistake.  For some reason (goodness knows why), there is, apparently, a law in this country that prohibits media depictions of Ninjas.  Many games feature ninjas - off the top of my head:  The Last Ninja, Tekken 5, Mortal Kombat (+ sequels), Pokémon, Sonic Heroes, Metal Gear Solid (1 & 2), Wario Ware Touched!, Final Fantasy Tactics, Shadow the Hedgehog, Ninja Gaiden and Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.  South Korea may produce a few games, but it can't have produced many that I've heard of. RobbieG 19:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, South Korea has not produced many games in the past. Although game development is increasing, you probably were misinformed. Maple Story, Lineage, Mabinogi etc. are games developed by Koreans. I have never heard of such a laws in Korea either. Oyo321 14:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: South Korea also hosts the World Cyber Games, which is nationally played on TV and anyone can compete it in a variety of games including Warcraft III and Starcraft. South Korea is also one of the countries that started "cyber cafes" where computers are linked for mulitplayer mode between friends and also for internet access. South Korea has also produced famous and popular games such as MapleStory, Lineage and Lineage II, Warrock, etc. Good friend100 00:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Computer games? 

message: Republic of Korea is the official name of the country, and I think it would be better if we re-maned the article. -The monkeyhate 12:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There should also be a link in the header of Korea directing to Republic of Korea, just like the header of China directs to People's Republic of China. Why don't you start a poll?--Sir Edgar 01:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While i agree that a name change should take place, wikipedia has a policy of using the most common name and not the official one. Masterhatch 02:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but "People's Republic of China" is the offical name of China, the latter being the common name and the former the offical, and yet the name of the article is "People's Republic of China". The name goes for Taiwan: Almost everybody refers to the country as Taiwan, and yet the Wikipedia article is called "Republic of China". Either both the "Chinas" should be re-named to their common names, or the both Koreas should be re-maned to their official names. - The monkeyhate 12:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then rename both of the "Chinas". (you probably won't be successful, because redirects are fine) --70.142.40.34 22:31, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article China is about the Chinese civilization.  The article Taiwan is about the island of Taiwan. We can't rename both of the "Chinas" because of the naming conflict. We need to fallback to the official names. For both of Koreas, however, the common names do not conflict with other articles. --Kusunose 07:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with The monkeyhate a lot. I think if this article stay as South Korea, then the article of the Republic of China should be changed to Taiwan, since it's more common.--Jerrypp772000 23:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Korea vs. Republic of Korea 

message: (1) "general Park Chung-hee ... thought that the communification of the peninsula would be inevitable". -- "Communification" appears to be non-standard English.
(2) "In 2004, South Korea joined the "trillion dollar club" of world economies" -- No Wikipedia article for trillion dollar club. Can somebody please start a stub on this, or define the term within this article?
- Thanks -- 201.78.233.162 14:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Out of context my guess would be that trillion dollar club refers to national GDP. Communification refers, I believe, to the spread of Communism, so communization would be the standard English word. —WAvegetarian•(talk) 16:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two small problems in section "History" 

message: When will the war continue? Oyo321 14:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who knows? --The monkeyhate 09:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Soon, possibly >_> 70.16.161.132 14:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Erm ... Hard question. It seems like the two countries are quite enjoying their time of peace away from the war and I hope it prolongs until we reunite. Or I'll be having to face the Korean War Part 2. :( --Dsdukcy 14:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: What do you mean continue?  The war is still officially going on between the two governments (N and S Korea).  Only the militaries are at armistice.  Unfortunately, even that gets broken from time to time and shots ring out across the DMZ or the NLL, even nowadays.Bigblair (talk) 14:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Korean War

message: As far as I know, 弘益人間 is 홍익인간. What is the corresponding hanja of “널리 인간 세계를 이롭게 하라”? --Hello World! 16:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: “널리 인간 세계를 이롭게 하라” is the translation of 弘益人間 into Korean. 홍익인간 is just a Korean transliteration of 弘益人間. -- 211.207.221.58 23:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country's motto 

message: Shouldn't we add a sub-section dealing with Korean culture?
:That's strange, there used to be one.  -- Visviva 17:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Must be some vandalizer that escaped any notice. I hate vandalizers. They make everything ugly. Good friend100 15:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Fear not my friends, the culture section has been recovered from a vandals deletion back in May 2006.  Shame on everyone for not noticing - that's a pretty aggregious error to miss... Icactus 16:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture 

message: It has the second highest number of broadband Internet connections per capita in the world...
The BBC link which is cited as reference to this claim apparently suggests that South Korea is second amongst OECD countries. In reality these two claims might be and probably are the same. Still, I feel we need to clarify this by amending the above sentence as follows:
It has the second highest number of broadband Internet connections per capita amongst OECD countries...
I would like others who may have a different view on the matter to share it here. RedZebra 11:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which country has the highest number of broadband internet connections? Good friend100 14:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this, it's Iceland.  --ZonathYak 15:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the second highest number of broadband Internet connections per capita IN THE WORLD 

message: There IS a Hanja name for Seoul (首尔: 서울, '으뜸가는 도시'). See Seoul#Demographics. The Hanja name for  Seoul was chosen at the specific request of the Seoul Metropolitan Government. I wrote it but someone keeps reverting it to 서울.Mkhkoh 06:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Those announcements seem to be announcing the Chinese language (중국어/중문) name of Seoul; that would be rather different from  hanja, which are Chinese characters used in Korean and generally pronounced according to Korean conventions.  The announcements you provide focus on the Mandarin Chinese pronunciation; if this were truly a hanja name, one would expect them to use the Korean pronunciation.   -- Visviva 09:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, it was chosen so that the Chinese pronunciation of the characters would resemble the Korean pronunciation of Seoul.  That makes it a Chinese name, not a Korean hanja name.  A small distinction, but an important one.  You are right that this information should be included in Wikipedia; however, it should be included in the Seoul article rather than this one -- and in fact, that article already contains a discussion of the matter.  Cheers, -- Visviva 06:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hanja Name for Seoul

message: If there is an admin. present, I would like to suggest a poll concerning the renaming of "Korea" to "Republic of Korea." I myself am for the move. Oyo321 15:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please follow Wikipedia:Requested moves to propose a page move. --Kusunose 17:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: And see Wikipedia:Use common names for reasons why that is unlikely to happen. -- Visviva 07:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll

message: Check this article on the Chosun ilbo 
I know that there is a digital Chosun in English but I don't know how to get this article in english, sorry for those of you who can't read korean...
Basically, it is an interview with James Lilley, former ambassador to Korea and China, who said that when the communist government of North Korea will fall, China will rush to occupy at least half of North Korea and claim it as theirs. How shocking. Good friend100 15:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chosun ilbo 

message: I had read that in the near future we will be phasing out forces in S Korea. I'm unclear about just how many and how fast. Brian Pearson 18:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Too bad the US forces are. Stupid Koreans can't remember American help during the Korean War. Thanks to the US, we still have half a peninsula to live in democracy. So unaware of things around them. Koreans have serious problems. Good friend100 13:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phase out of US military 

message: Will an admin please lock this article from being edited by retarded Japanese nationalists? Good friend100 13:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  another edit war 

message: Has it been decided that the prehistoric and medievil history of Korea be left out of the article? If it was, I am against that, and it would be helpful for someone to tell me why the articles are not merged together, even if its just a sentence or two on the history of Korea prior to independence in 1945. Oyo321 00:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The history of Korea before the founding of South Korea should go in Korea, not in this page. Kiersta 02:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: history

message: For the attribute "establishment"
North                                            	North                           	South                                     	South
Kojosŏn                             	2333 BCE    	Gojoseon                              	October 3, 2333 BC
Independence declared	March 1 1919h	Liberation declared	March 1 1919 (de jure)
I'm not sure if this is because of different Romanization methods used by the two sides. If not, please synchronize. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording and formatting discrepancy in infobox 

message: Why nobody introduces something about the shipbuilding industry? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Whutes (talk • contribs) 07:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shipbuilding, etc. 

message: There is too much vandalism going on --Kingj123 21:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I requested for protection, and it is accepted. This article is now under semi-protection. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chulk90 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I believe that the article should be protected 

message: Why does note 1 show up in the text as note 2? All the note numbers seem to be off by one. --Gbleem 09:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first one is in the infobox. Ntsimp 19:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  notes off by 1 

message: I've quick failed the article, mainly due to inadequate referencing. The article needs to have much more extensive referencing -  many paragraphs are completely uncited. The references which are used are often poorly formatted (eg. 1,3,4,35,36,38). See Wikipedia:Citation_templates for how to do them correctly.
Other issues I see include:
* the section are in a strange order - Military and Foreign relations should be directly after Government. 
* the article contains no information about ethnic groups and languages of the country.
* the first paragraph of history should maybe be about the pre-WWII origins of Korea.
* <S>the Transportation section is a mess: Main article: templates should only be used at the top of a section. The need for a separate Transportation section is also questionable - it should probably be merged into Economy as per other country articles which have FA status.
* The International rankings section is questionable - country articles with FA status don't seem to have it. Some actual do have them.
* The Administrative divisions section doesn't mention that Seoul is the capital. Also, why is Jeju a Special self-governing province?
* The Government section doesn't mention the structure of the country's court system, and also contains inadequate details on how the rest of the government is structured and functions. 
* The article is overlinked - text like metres or inches does not need to be linked. * Who are the major export markets and suppliers of imports for the country?
* Demographics section doesn't mention the population of the country.
* Culture section mentions almost nothing about cuisine, literature, TV and radio stations.
In general I'd suggest that each of the sections in this article needs to be compared against some FA standard country articles to see what needs to be improved.
(Caniago 15:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for the detailed information. Good friend100 21:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed Good Article review

message: Chun's seizure of power triggered national protest asking for democrazation, particularly protests in Gwangju, South Cholla province.
Is it demarcation or democratization or...? Brian Pearson 03:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it means that the people want a democratic government. The wording could have some more work there. Good friend100 03:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Democratization" may be best, then, unless someone wants to do some rewording. Brian Pearson 03:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not sure what 'democrazation' is 

message: "...and a fear of ethnic Koreans in Manchuria ceceding to a newly unified Korea." I don't believe that's a word. I'm assuming it meant "seceding, but I'll let ya'll decide that. Brian Pearson 04:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  under "China" -- 

message: Wrong korean grammar.... "널리 인간을 이롭게 하냐?" "~냐?"is rude questioning sentence. Also, the motto cannot be a question! "널리 인간을 이롭게 한다" is the right one. It is ridiculous to use questioning sentence as one country`s motto.
--Sam 05:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The motto is wrong 

message: I'm confused by the claim that "All Korean military units are required to have a 4th Dan black belt degree in Taekwondo."  In addition to "degree" and "dan" being redundant in this context, what does the statement mean?  What is a "unit?"  Does this mean that one instructor of this rank must be on staff per "unit?"  It surely can't mean that every South Korean soldier is a 4th dan, since it takes much longer than the average length of service to earn the rank.  This needs rewording, or better yet, deleting since it looks like an irrelevant interjection by a martial arts fan.   MrGalt 00:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The statement makes no sense, and is not sourced, so I've removed it.  --Michael Johnson 01:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taekwondo for Military 

message: I think someone is posting random Seoul skylines in irrelevent places such as "Government" and "History." I have deleted some photos recently. I think it is fine now, but no more Random Seoul Pictures Please. Kingj123 21:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: I think "archaeological research shows that Korean peninsula was occupied during..." in the second sentence of the second introductory paragraph is not encyclopedic at all. Kingj123 21:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Archaeological research"

message: I'll leave it to someone else to decide whether to edit it or not, but there's a disconnect between the article's description of the winters being "bitterly cold" and the stated average January temperature:
"The local climate is relatively temperate, with precipitation heavier in summer during a short rainy season called jangma, and winters that can be bitterly cold. In Seoul, the average January temperature range is -7 °C to 1 °C (19 °F to 33 °F)"
Is that range correct? "Bitterly cold" elsewhere in the world is more like -15C to -25C or worse. (Ask any Minnesotan or Muscovite) Either the editorializing should go or the temperature needs to be checked.
MagikDragon 14:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bitterly cold? 

message: I found recently someone has stived to do harm on the thread of South Korea by the Jjk82. I have checked his contribution, and I found that he has been obessed with altering and adding the information on variuos threads regarding South Korea to demote its reputation. I have no idea the reason why this user have done this, but this is a serious crime, and I won't disregard his misconducts. The enviroment section, the Jjk82 added, was suppored barely by some columnists' private opinions. In addition, the Jjk82 concluded South Korea is a dirty country with his pathetic so-called references, but on those references, they also refer and indicate that many other developed or developing countries, including Japan and Taiwan, also have the same problem. Moreover companies like toshiba and other Japanese companies were rated lower than Samsung and LG. So can I claim that the those countries are disgusting and dirty, and those companies are sick and ignorant to enviromental issues? I will ask administrator to assess  the user Jjk82's conduct. This Jjk82 reminds me of someone who had tried to do vandalism on the Seoul's thread. Please remember that defaming other rivalry country is not a patriotic deed. It's nothing but huge disgrace on your country.Patriotmissile (talk) 20:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distortion of information 

message: I am quite surprised by what the user Jjk82 has commited on the South Korea article. What he has cited to support his claims were not directly relevant to his urges. In addition, most of those references are just nothing but opinions made by certain individuals. 
I traced back the user, Jjk82, and this guy is insanely obsessed with messing up the articles-related to Korea. Can anyone legally request administrators to trace Jjk82's accession country by checking IP address. 
I have noticed administrators investigate on Jjk82 for his distorted intention on the series of his revisions and additions on [South Korea] and other relevant articles in Wikipedia. Please feel shame on that kinda misconduct. This kinda humiliation on other country won't bring glory to one's mother country.Patriotmissile (talk) 21:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Jjk82|Jjk82]] 

message: The South Korea article is far from complete, especially in regards of environment, history, education and culture.  My main sources?  Direct quotes from US State Department, GreenPeace, Amnesty Internation and Korean published NewsPaper Articles.
If they have a negative tone to it, don't blame me, blame those organizations for beening anti-Korean.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjk82 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, those did not seem the only sources. Your edits seem to be all about the bad. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, and you must be careful to not give undue weight to good or bad. Please work with the other editors to gain a consensus on how to achieve balance. Seek outside opinions from editors not directly involved. Be careful not to inflame or anger other editors by presenting extreme views unrelentingly. Good luck, and happy editing.  Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim  03:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jjk82, don't excuse yourself for your countless lies and disruptions. I checked on everything you added onto the articles, and I concluded that you're merely a vandal wishing Korea to look bad as possible. The bogus and irrelevant links are revealing just your strong anti-Korean sentiment. According to the report made by greenpeace that you brought up for your obsession at the Korean environment, eletronic devices and gadget manufactured by Apple are the most problematic. The next bottom is Toshiba, Japanese company. Your false and excessive emphasis just on Korean appears to be disruptive and biased. You even made bluffing links not external links as if you had put citations. Besides, what is the problem with the hagwon article as you added 'black list for English teachers to avoid?'. I doubt that you're a newbie because you seem to be acquainted with many complex wiki rules already. If you continue doing such the disruptive behaviors, I'll report you as soon as possible. --Appletrees (talk) 10:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In defense of JJk82 

message: Users like Jjk82 and Sennen goroshi should not edit here due to their own biasism and favority. Anyways lets move on. I could make a Science and Technology section here, only if this dispute above stop, and unlock the article.--Kingj123 (talk) 21:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:RPP. Sandstein 06:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Let's Move on

message: I filed an RfC on Sennen. Please offer your opinions. I feel that this is long overdue and we need to stop these kind of attacks made upon Korea related articles. This is totally not fair because Wikipedia does not have bands of anti-Japanese editors who tear apart Japan, yet editors like Sennen can get away with his hatred of Koreans. Good friend100 03:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally understand how you felt on the series of unfair issues you have gone through. I tasted a bit of bitter truths about English Wikipedia. I still can't believe what the administrator of Wikipedia from Hong Kong made the illogical and unfair decision on the issue caused by Jjjk82 and Sennen goroshi. I now realize the system for how this Wikipedia is operated. what actually is going I will try to work on the subject you issued.Patriotmissile (talk) 22:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I sincerely apologize for presenting specific country on my above remark. I still don't undetstand the standard of logic h applied to make his decision. However, I apologize again to make mentioning unnecessary comment, Hong Kong. Thank you for reminding me this, Grunty Thraveswain.Patriotmissile (talk) 20:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Hey, please don't beat yourself up with the matter. Just keep you calm and neutral as possible even if everything seems unreasonable, this is not the end. Btw, when can this article be out of the protection?--Appletrees (talk) 22:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sennen goroshi]]

message: Right after relieved from the recent blocking on South Korea article, Jjk82 began to commit the exactly same disruptive revisions on the article. As one of the administrator,  Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim, has already agreed, most Jjk82's revisions on various articles-related to South Korea are very like to be POV (Please check my talk to see his comments). Regardless of series of warnings issued previously, Jjk82 continues his own journey in Wikipedia. 
Please remember that the main reason of blocking South Korea artcle was due to violation of 3RR, caused by irresponsible reversion to the previous diputable status by Sennen goroshi, which has lead to inevitable reversion that resulted in 3RR violation.Patriotmissile (talk) 20:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reiteration of the same attitude

message: Like previously suggested, let's move on. I changed the tone a little in History section. Should the 9th citation be after swift recovery or after economic power? And what about that Science and Technology section?--Gireogison (talk) 00:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's Move On 

message: There is an environmental section on the wikipedia japan, china and taiwan, but not in korea.  Why? -  jjk82
:Yes, you made and expanded on the articles.--Appletrees (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environment 

message: There are zero sources reported in the Environment and Military sections.  This needs to addressed soon.  Also, Economy sections is strongly biased in favor of Korea, especially with quotes like:
"Peter Bartholomew, the managing director for Industrial Research & Consulting, a business consulting company, says that the "South Koreans are always working to keep three, four, five steps ahead of the Chinese and Japanese"."
I will be contacting third party members to ensure that this is done properly. --Jjk82 (talk) 02:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jjk82, please do not generalize your own idea to make conclusions. I don't think it is you, Jjk82, who can decisively judge and comment the status of referernces. If you wanna criticize anything in the South Korea article, as you do almost everyday, please let it be clarified by decision by majority. By the way, the references you indicated not working will be replaced soon.Patriotmissile (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have fun edit warring, POV-pusher. Good friend100 (talk) 02:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you mean Jjk82.
Come on, there are so many Korean ultra-nationalist editing this article, it is a far distance from being balance.  This article needs some serious work.  --Jjk82 (talk) 02:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Come on, Jjk82. Are you telling us that most editors here are ultra-natinalists? That's one serious accusation. You will take a responsiblity on what you've just talked. With your theory, can I consider that there are tons of anti-South Korea editors striving to mess up South Korea-related articles every single day. By the  way, Jjk82, I fixed the dead link you mentioned, and added proper reference on military section. I'd like to remove the tag. If you have problem, raise your problems very in detail and also you need others' consent for your claims.Patriotmissile (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: IMPROVEMENT

message: Jjk82, I think you misundertand the meaning and purpose of POV tagging. Jjk82, it looks that you have overissued POV tags in South Korea article without reasonable and persuadable explanation as well as with no consent of others. The POV tag is definitely not a weapon to disrupt articles in which one personally abhors. I will surely report to administrators about this issue.Patriotmissile (talk) 21:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV tag

message: I love how there is a paragraph about "pre-division" and "post-division", but not one single word about the korea war.  500,000 "westerners" fought for the foundation of the county, but not one word of recogition.  In addition, when someone writes an article for about the korea war, you delete it, like you delete histrory.  It truely reminds me of Neo-Nazis - "IT NEVER HAPPENED"!  Also, I love how Koreans use the term for "pure Korean blood", that term also reminds me of Nazis and while I'm at it, I love how Koreans don't fully accept Gyopos as truely Korean, as they are somehow tainted from western influences.  Also, how many believe that real gyopos speak lesser english then their white counterparts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjk82 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jjk82, why don't you response to my request? You're being accused of using sockpuppetry. And what is the anon with Iran ip, 202.136.142.171 address altering your comments without any permission from you? , . Unless the anono is you, you're disguise yourself as using several ip addresses. I believed that you're currently residing in South Korea, but my thought can be simply wrong if you're using fake ip address. And stop insulting Koreans. Neo-Nazis and tainting? Ha!--Appletrees (talk) 11:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Jjk82, I have no idea why others, including myself, should be brainwashed by watching the lists of what you love. Wikipedia is definitely not a place where one posts his/her diary. You keep urging some unacceptable matters, including discrimination and pure blood stuffs in Korea. I hope you understand you should provide supportive data on your every such remark. Otherwise, your such remarks will be considered as defamation and vandal even further. For the record, almost all of your references are written by individuals, not by authentic sources, and described only minor cases, leading to be inappropriate to be used as reliable references. By the way, when I say the data, that means the statistical data confirming that most Koreans have such tendencies as you have claimed. I have no idea where you had such kinda ideas, but I can tell you for sure that your remarks are not true and cannot reflect overal character of Koreans.Patriotmissile (talk) 19:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What I love