Talk:List of Formula One World Constructors' Champions

message: There is evidence to suggest that the “Formula One World Constructors' Championship” was officially the “International Cup for Formula No 1 Constructors” during the first twenty years or so of its existence. Do we have access to relevant FIA Yearbooks or other FIA documentation to enable this to be checked?  GTHO (talk) 02:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: Let's see, Brabham, a team owned by Australians, a car designed by an Australian painted in Australian colours, raced to multiple constructors and drivers world championships by an Australian and powered by an engine designed and built in Australia, by an Australian somehow is an English team? 
On the other hand a Team based in England, running a car designed in England by predominately British engineering staff with English team management and chief engineer and using a French engine is somehow Austrian?
Bollocks...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.186.250.9 (talk) 05:15, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't really disagree, but them's the rules. Although I suppose I could point out that the Australian car referred to in your first para was designed and built in the UK, using mostly components from British companies. And that the engine block, if little else of the engine, was originally designed and built in the States, while some of its other internal components were British. :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.109.66.147 (talk) 16:09, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
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message: Should it not be “Constructors’ World Champions”? 137.108.145.39 (talk) 13:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
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message: There's an explanation in the lead that different make/engine combinations are considered as different constructors for the championships. However this contradicts with the information given in the tables. For instance, the titles by the different Mclaren combinations(Honda, TAG, Mercedes,...) are counted as one total. The same goes for Williams (Honda, Renault,...) Surely either the information in the lead or the tables are wrong, no ? Tvx1 (talk) 23:51, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead was wrong. While it's true that different chassis-engine combinations are counted separately in the championship, it's incorrect to identify a chassis-engine combination as a "constructor". Section 6.3 of the F1 Sporting Regulations says "A constructor is the person (including any corporate or unincorporated body) which designs the Listed Parts set out in Appendix 6. The make of an engine or chassis is the name attributed to it by its constructor." So, in the case of this year's McLaren-Mercedes team, the constructor is actually McLaren Racing Limited (which on Wikipedia we refer to by its WP:COMMONNAME of "McLaren"), the chassis make is "McLaren" and the engine make is "Mercedes". I hope this clarifies things. DH85868993 (talk) 10:22, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly does! Thanks for that. In fact, I even can't find the passage in the regulations that states that different engine-make combinations are counted separately. I would really like to know where that claim came from so as to know the correct ruling on that issue, though. In retrospect my edit was wrong nevertheless as it is equally stated in section 6.3. of the rules that if the make of the chassis is not the same as the make of the engine that the championship, if they win it, would be awarded to the former. So to translate to our case, even though Mclaren used different engines to win different championships, they were all awarders to Mclaren regardless whether they used Fords, TAGs, Hondas or Mercedeses to win them. Tvx1 (talk) 23:46, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Perhaps the rule about different chassis make-engine make combinations being counted separately no longer applies, or perhaps it does still apply, but they don't bother writing it in the rules because the likelihood of a constructor having more than engine make in a season is so small these days (as far as I'm aware, the last time it happened was in 1985, when Tyrrell used both Ford and Renault engines). Or maybe constructors are not even allowed to use more than one engine make in a season any more? (although I can't see that in the rules anywhere either). DH85868993 (talk) 03:08, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably a dead conversation, but I believe the last time that a constructor appeared in two 'flavours' was 1991 when the Porsche V12 engine was so disastrously overweight and underpowered that Footwork swapped it for a Cossie DFR after six races or so. To my recollection, the separate counting of results occured in that season but it would be best to check against a contemporary source. Formula1.com doesn't show it that way (but this may not mean much), while other online sources can be found that show it (but these may be copies from the Wikipedia page). A couple of years later there were rumours that McLaren considered running the Chrysler (nee Lamborghini) V12 in their car towards the end of the 1993 season. The rule may well have lapsed now. It's hard to imagine it happening again, although the 2008 Brawn was designed for a Honda engine, not the Merc it eventually used.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.110.109.208 (talk) 16:02, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right about 1991 (how could I have forgotten that debacle?) and you're also right about Formula1.com's reliability in this respect. All the other 1991 championship tables I've been able to find so far (Autocourse, Autosport's Season Review) only list constructors who scored points , so they're no help either. I'll keep looking. DH85868993 (talk) 11:23, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
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message: Is that really necessary? StandNThrow (talk) 03:29, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
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message: While Senna was a starting driver in 1994, he did not score any points, contradicting footnote [1].  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.7.152.2 (talk) 19:40, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
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message: I question the inclusion of the "By driver" table in this article; I'm not sure how notable this information is (I don't recall ever seeing a table like this anywhere else), and it seems to be causing confusion; numerous times I've had to revert changes by editors who seem to think it's a list of *Drivers* championships. . Thoughts? DH85868993 (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. A constructors championship is awarded to the constructor of the cars. Not the racing team or the drivers, who built the cars. In the earliest days the championship several teams could contribute to the same constructor, sure it was rare but that is not the point. Rob Walker Racing Team never got any constructors points. They won nine races but their points went to Cooper or Lotus or Brabham. Stirling Moss once took third place in a race having driven both a Cooper and a Lotus in the same race but all the points went to Lotus because the car that finished the race in third place was a Lotus even if it was driver by two drivers. --Falcadore (talk) 20:43, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  By driver table