Talk:Cowboy Bebop/Archive 1

message: 99.99% of sources (including Wikipedia) say Ed's full name is Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV. But if you carefully inspect opening sequence (and I really mean carefully - frame by frame), you might find different name: Edward Wang Hwe Pepel Cybulski 4th 
Screens:
* http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cb0024kx.jpg
* http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cb0039qv.jpg
* http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cb0040hs.jpg
Can anyone confirm this with his copy of Cowboy Bebop? Is this some early name of Ed that changed later?
Stupid Question
-at waht episode does Ed join the Bebop crew?
Session #9 Jamming With Edward ;-) --Shinji-kun 23:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather interesting... This is most likely the original spelling that the Japanese mustered up, but then you have to take into account that along with that spelling being kana-fied for the Japanese version, the English version of the name was also taken 'immediately' from the kana version. Also, since each individual name comes from a different language (such as Wang/Wong and Hwe/Hau, the Chinese/Korean/Japanese renditions, Pepel/Pepelu (maybe Polish/Danish?), and Cybilski/Tivruski(y), possibly from Russian and translitted by sound) the translit from each to Japanese differs, sometimes greatly (in the cases of Chinese and Russian, specifically) and this causes wierd things to happen. After Westernization, the names are construed greatly from their original spelling. And since th show itself (sans the opening credits, obviously) features no specific spelling examples of the name, it's probably gonna stay as such. Besides, it's a bit easier to say, no? Daisenji 14:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly something wrong/weird with Ed's name 

message: This article needs a manga section. --64.213.196.4 16:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it?  Both Manga series' are fairly canon to the anime.  Shooting Star was an alternate version of Cowboy Bebop, and the regular 'Cowboy Bebop' manga was a series of additional 'episodes'.  Neither have much relevance to the main anime.  They could probably do with their own pages, though. 87th 19:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga Section 

message: Is it really useful to link all the episode titles like that?
I could have sworn one of Ed's many names was "Francoise".
Answer to question above: Ed's father calls hims Francoise, though Ed never says it is his name.-Mr.Kincaid
:Um.. Isn't Ed a girl? (-Kid. 15:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks good! Much better background information than what's currently here. I say go ahead and replace it. -- Wapcaplet 02:50, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: First comments

message: *Opening
** "Tank!" by The Seatbelts
*Ending
*# "The Real Folk Blues" by Mai Yamane (eps. 1-12,14-25)
*# "Space Lion" by The Seatbelts (ep. 13)
*# "Blue" by Mai Yamane (ep. 26)
-- EmperorBMA|話す 03:37, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that information is terribly useful for an encyclopedia article.  People who've seen the show already know it and people who haven't won't care.  Hence, I removed it when I rewrote it.  RADICALBENDER★ 14:18, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I reckoned it might have been useful to provide it since it is encyclopedic information about the show.  It might fit better on a separate page like Cowboy Bebop Media Information, kind of similar to Love Hina (on the separate page Love Hina Media Information) as opposed to Inuyasha, which merely lists info in the article itself.  As a matter of fact, a media info page would also be a good place to put the episode list, too.  That's just my opinion tho... :P  -- EmperorBMA|話す 19:20, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Theme Songs

message: I have added the "Soundtrack" sub-topic. There's a lot of room to improvement there, but it's such an important part of CB that it couldn't be left out.
::Cleaned up the Soundtracks section a little bit and merged it with the section on the opening/closing themes.  Each OST has it's own page so it made sense to cut the redundant info, and condense some of the stuff repeated on this page. Hewinsj 01:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whitney is a conartist who was pretending to be a lawyer.  Whitney with the help of the uncle, the doctor, were scamming Faye.  Whitney's job in the scam was to get close to Faye.  Once he swept her off her feet Whitney faked his death, and put Faye and the inheriter in his will,  saddling her with all of his debts. Chikiko 04:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundtrack 

message: I made a change about the moons. Callisto is not all male. Only the city of Blue Crow is. Also, Ganymede was left out, so I added that as well. I haven't looked over the whole article but I will soon and see if there is anything I can add or rework.
I'm glad you did so. How can you forget Ganymede?! Dave 14:17, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moons 

message: I think it would be a good idea to do individual articles on episodes, like M*A*S*H has. Comments? -- A Link to the Past 22:48, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
Sure.
rfblues.aaanime.net has a web page called The Real Folk Blues which has comprehensive episode information, character descriptions, album music with episode cross-references, and scrips.  Please check with the web host to use any of her information.Cuneiform 11:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Articles 

message: There is a very controversial question about what really happens at the end. Regardless of even the creators intention it is unclear whther Spike finally dies or not, therefore many people belive that he will recover after the battle with Vicious while others believe that he is finally at peace, with Vicious and Julia dead.
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The controversy comes only from fans boys who don’t want to admit that spike died.
The only person from the development team to say anything was a producer and wouldn’t confirm it either way so to avoid ticking the fans who want to believe spike is alive.
look at the foreshadowing in the series, from the very early on spike made mention about how life was like a dream he never woke from similar to many philosophies in Japan that state one is as dead or in a dream and death is an awakening (it is even in the article).
Also the series and movie look at other people in similar situations and there deaths like Vincent from the movie and Rem (?) in a way these reflect the themes of death being an awakening and could even be viewed as foreshadowing spikes death, although the movie was made afterward it still took place right before the end of the series.
Furthermore in the case of Rem (the guy from the Jupiter jazz episode)  the old Indian guy talks about each persons star going out as the die and he again mentions it before spikes death saying that it was about to fall or something like that, and after spike dies it explicitly shows his star going out. 
It also plays the song with the words “I’m free” used several times then it shows spike laying dead with the words “you’re going to carry that weight” both refer how spike viewed death as an awakening and that he was now free of  the burdens he had carried since his first “death”
The song also mentions “I’m ascending”
Also while not for certain the in the first episode the old guy “bull something” predicts spikes death, but he may also have been referring to Asimov’s girl friend.
The list goes on and on.
Leon Evelake 02:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it sounds weird and I'm bad at explaining things but here. Spike couldn't die unless Vicious were to kill him. Same went for Vicious, and I believe that was stated a number of times in the series. I'm not saying he's like a God or something but I think because he wanted to kill Vicious so badly it gave him the strength or whatever to carry on and go towards his goal. I know that sounds sappy, whatever. But then after he kills him, he has nothing left to live for, Julia's dead, and the main reason for living (that to kill Vicious) is complete. Then maybe either he just lets himself die, or the damage from all the past comes back and kills him, or maybe Vicious' attacks really did kill him but just took a while. Sorry this is very sloppily written. I'm in school and not supposed to be online. 
"Vicious: I'm the only one who can keep you alive...And I'm the only one that can kill you..." Jupiter Jazz Pt.2
(-Kid. 15:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ending on Spike 

message: I've reduced/removed the following, it lacks sources, appears to be original research, and would probably be better suited as a part of the Adult Swim article if it could be substantiated with references.
However, as of late, Cowboy Bebop has had a growing number of anime fans reacting negativily to the series. Some note the repeated reruns by Cartoon Network shows that the network is not commited to "diversifying" their anime lineup, thereby not holding true to their [adult swim] moniker. In a sense, Cowboy Bebop is denying any anime series from entering Adult Swim and being given a chance to attain a fanbase outside of the current circle of fans. However, the arguement can be made that since Cowboy Bebop draws in new fans each time it is aired, Cartoon Network would be wise to capitalize on such ratings to attract advertisers to the particular timeslots.
Others have cited the fanbase defending the Anime as "rabid," and cite the backlash made by anime fans to Dragonball Z fanboys for reference back when DBZ was popular. Some fans have gone out of their way and declared that Cowboy Bebop was "jumping the shark" due to endless reruns and fans that won't quit praising the acolades of the series. In any case, this is reactions that will pop up during the course of the fandom of anime with shows that become too popular for their own good. So long as fans show rabid interest in a particular anime series, their will be detractors that will denouce such rabid fandom with venom.
—Tarnas 00:45, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Longevity/programming analysis

message: Though I watched the whole series countless times, did not realise until I read it. and I had to see it with my own eyes. The name of Ed's father means exactly "Excuse me, Check please" in Turkish (in fact, it should be Afedersiniz Hesap Lutfen if you want to be grammatically correct). There are durther Turkish influences present such as an Aile ahçesi/Aile Pazarı written on the shades of a cafe/shop, I have to check which is which, if someone is sure please edit it so. IT means Family Garden / Family Market correspondantly. 
That's excellent. Good research. Ereinion 22:26, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appledelhi Siniz Hesap Lütfen 

message: From the incredibly long influences section: "Cowboy Bebop inverts these notions of masking and quick change by presenting two sides of the same character in two different animated characters, instead of one actor playing two different characters. For example, Spike is depicted as the alter ego of Vicious." 
I don't think foils were invented in Japanese theatre. Krymson 04:40, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: While I'm no expert on the subject, I do think that the whole section IS overdone.  There is no source through out the kabuki discussion, and it's entirely unclear whether it is, in fact, an acknowledged or widely agreed influence or just one writer's opinion.  And even if it is an acknowledged influence, it goes into too much needless detail.  If anyone wants to write a paper on the subject, I fully encourage it, but Wikipedia is not the place to publish it. 82.123.157.185 01:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: All references to Kabuki were added on July 18, 2005 by anonymous user 64.170.116.30. This was his/her only contribution to Wikipedia. I did a quick search with Google and it doesn't seem a copyvio, but I also couldn't find articles that discuss this supposed correlation between Kabuki and Cowboy Bebop. I think it could be considered original research, or maybe POV... Maybe we should remove that section, if we don't find a source that can confirm it. Mushroom 10:17, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

text: How about the references to Isaac Asimov, 12 Monkeys, and at least a dozen other science fiction subjects in the series? --Tokachu 04:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Kabuki "influence" overplayed?(Fixed in major Influences edit Dec.16)

message: I removed some extraneous Wiki links.  Please see Wikipedia:Make_only_links_relevant_to_the_context for Wikipedia's Style Guide as my justification for doing so.  --Cyde 23:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed some extraneous links 

message: Or at least tone it down.  There are some ~18 Kabuki references in this page.  I have never heard Cowboy Bebop and Kabuki in the same sentence.  It just sounds like someone knows a little bit about Kabuki and perceives an influence that really isn't there.   Do a search about it yourself:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=f6W&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=%22cowboy+bebop%22+kabuki&spell=1
NO ONE is talking about it.  There are many more influences that should be discussed before Kabuki.  
This guy is on the ball:
http://rfblues.aaanime.net/
I'm not going to delete anything.  This isn't the places for new, or at least uncommon, theories.  There are a hundred other influences that should go before Kabuki, and they definitely should take up 1/4 of the article. Please, tone it down a bit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.26.73.67 (talk • contribs) .
Agreed, the kabuki crap has definitely got to go.  --Cyde 03:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind. I missed this train by a week. Antrophica 08:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kabuki has got to go 

message: About the Swordfish II, I thought it was a old Fighter-craft, not an asteroid racer.
Maverick Hunter 08:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swordfish II 

message: Someone just edited the article to say that Julia was Vicious' boyfriend and then Spike fell in love with her, causing him to leave the Syndicate.  Is this true?  --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 02:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact she didn't go to him I completely agree. She would have led Vicious right to him. But see Spike didn't realize this. From his point of view, she chose Vicious and her life in the syndicate over him. Very sad... Eluchil 09:36, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

text: heheheh nice. (-Kid. 15:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Julia? 

message: Since Cowboy Bebop has most to credit to Sergio Leone's brand of "Spaghetti Westerns" (vs. "Western") the influences on this page should be changed to reflect that. Cowboy Bebop as far as I can discern has very little to do with "Classic Westerns" - such as the plethora of John Ford directed westerns before the arrival of Sergio Leone (a good archetypical western would be My Darling Clementine). A typical classic western would showcase a hero who is a straight shooter, clearly defined morality, a clear and cohesive view of the world, etc. I don't get that from Cowboy Bebop. -- Falmarin 02:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion: "Westerns" to "Spaghetti Western" 

message: The following text was added new user User:AJeong86 and removed by anon IP User:68.158.33.139. I seriously doubt the appropriateness of the info in this particular article, but it's quite a bit of info, and it would be a shame to see it go to waste. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 22:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's that gun that Spike uses in session 6 Sympathy For The Devil,to put the special bullet in Wen's head?.I've seen security guards using it,but i dont know what it is,is like a pistol in shape but uses one large calibre bullet--Andres rojas22 18:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons 

message: The Article stats that "By all appearances, Faye is a twenty-three year old woman in 2071. However, she was actually born in 1994 and was cryogenically frozen after the gate accident."  However this is wrong.  Faye was frozen before the gate incident not after.  As is stated the gate incident occured in 2021,  However Faye was frozen 54 years, and was running around on her own for 3 years before joining up with the Bebop.  Timeline wise this means:
:1994 Faye is born
:2014 Faye is involved in a shuttle accident and crygencially frozen
:2021 Lunar gate incident takes place (Resulting in a tremendous lose of information and records from earth, including Faye's true last name)
:2068 Whitney and his unlce the doctor thaw Faye from her crogenic sleep
:2071 Cowboy Bebop begins.
Chikiko 04:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Faye's profile error 

message: Has anyone seen/pulled the copy that appears behind the opening credits?  Seems to me like this, or at least a link to it elsewhere, would make a good addition to the Bebop wiki, as it provides a piece of background to the story - or seems to, from what I've peiced together.
Cheers. Egosub2 18:28, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text behind opening credits? 

message: The whole section about the love triangle is far too detailed to be true. Most of what actually happened between the three of them, we'll probably never know. Is all this info from the manga? If so, it should be separated from what happened in the anime. Also, some of it's just plain wrong. Julia didn't shoot Spike in the face - she didn't even go to the cemetary that day! "And so you didn't come because of the rain," right? I'd fix it myself but I don't know where to start or how to accurately convey all the ambiguity.
Still scenes picture Julia with each of Spike and Vicious. (ending credit and "Real Folks Blues II"). Closing credits show Vicious walking in front, Spike following behind and turning his head to Julia who ran up to them. Another credit scene shows Spike and Julia walking in a door while Vicious meets them from the top of the stairs.Cuneiform 13:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spike/Vicious/Julia 

message: I also think that Bob Dylan is a big influence on cowboy beebop, Firstly the movie was called "Knockin on heaven's door" which is a well known Dylan song. Also in the manga there is a chapter called "Like a rolling stone" which is another Dylan song. and in my opinion, Spike bears a strinking resembelce to dylan in the mid 60's, with the ciggarette and the hair plus some facial features
(this comment is not connected with paragraph above)Spike was modeled after the character Yusaku Matsuda in Tantel Monogatari according to the creators' interview on the Cowboy Bebop Movie DVD extras.Cuneiform 12:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Influences on Cowboy Beebop 

message: The tagline in the last episode "You're gonna carry that weight . . . " is a reference to the Beatles song "Carry That Weight" from the album "Abbey Road."  Dunno if this is worthy of inclusion, but the references to the Rolling Stones and Stray Cats have made it, so perhaps.
Egosub2 00:46, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carry That Weight 

message: in the fansubbed version of Session XX the transleted title is "Collection Blues".
the original hiragana and katakana are "yoseatsume burûsu" (burûsu = Blues).
here is a screeshot
so, what is "yoseatsume"? does it mean something like "collection" or "to collect"
or does it mean "mish-mash"?
and in History of Bebop the sentence: The episode XXX is said to be protest by staff for the treatment of the show though.
why episode XXX? its title is definitely episode/Session XX, as you also can see at AniDB.net
: --Shinji-kun 19:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Session XX : Mish-Mash Blues = Collection Blues? 

message: What session does the PSG-1 appear in? 68.146.106.0 05:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the PSG-1 

message: As I failed to mark the function of the update I applied recently, the purpose is described below:
:Added reference link to TheBebopBoard
Thanks. --Zonaxx 04:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Resource 

message: Is there really any need for the movie infobox here? The movie does have it's own page, after all. --InShaneee 17:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It may not be necessary on this particle article since it does have it's own page.  However, if the movie infobox is removed then an additional infobox should be added for Related Works listing the Cowboy Bebop movie. --Miss Ethereal 14:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The info box should not be removed as this article is about Cowboy Bebop in general as well as the TV series specifically. The infobox links to the movie article. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support a 'related works' infobox. This article really doesn't have much info about the movie, so a movie infobox does seem like overkill. After all, the whole point of a Wiki system is that you don't have to duplicate information. --InShaneee 19:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Make a template for CB related articles.--Dangerous-Boy 00:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I meant add something like this:
--Dangerous-Boy 18:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, making a template like that to be put at the bottom of the article is probably the best solution. --InShaneee 18:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Those are the max of my template skills.  Are you sure everythings crammed to one side?  Everything looks centered to me.  I only made since it would take someone else forever to start one.  you can improve it if you want.--Dangerous-Boy 18:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, got the template working, I see. Very nice! --InShaneee 06:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie Infobox 

message: 46 k warning.  too much stuff--Dangerous-Boy 09:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably be better for the article itself to just cut it down, as was just done in part by the removal of the unneccisary weapons section. I oppose a disambiguating split. --InShaneee 18:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: There's nothing long enough to be worth moving to a seperate page (and the weapons section was just unencyclopedic). --InShaneee 19:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the character section should really be split unless it's trimmed to just a paragragh for each character.  But this is a popular series and fans will generally continue to expand such sections.  SOundtrack and sessions should be trimmed down.  No need for them to be so big when they have their own articles. --Dangerous-Boy 23:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The character sections can be trimmed a little, but there's really not enough material to warrant its own page. The soundtrack section can be trimmed slightly, sure. --InShaneee 23:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be trimmed down with as little spoilers as possible.  Maybe a paragraph for each.--Dangerous-Boy 05:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably merge the weapons sections with the characters sections.  Just state who uses what weapon with a wiki link.  This should get rid of the problem of the weapon list.--Dangerous-Boy 07:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no point to having that information at all. And spoilers are a good thing if they add to the understanding of the character. This is an encyclopedia, after all, not a fansite. --InShaneee 18:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That precisely why we shouldn't have so many spoilers.  It's a not fansite.  You can go to fansites for that.  I don't really care about the weapons.  I think it's better off to merge character and weapon sections.  Its kind of interesting what weapon each character uses.--Dangerous-Boy 22:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Kind of interesting maybe, but not really useful or noteworthy. And we're here to provide information; if spoilers help to add to a character's profile, they most definatly should be there. For instance, Vicious dies at the end of the series. That's a spoiler, but it's also highly relevant information about him. --InShaneee 00:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How so?  Maybe some tidbits for his past is fine but his death is huge spoiler.  I think spike's death is more worth noting.--Dangerous-Boy 02:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is a huge spoiler, but that's not the point. We need ALL the relevant information about them. This is an encyclopedia; we don't care about spoilers. --InShaneee 13:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: If were really going to keep all that stuff than the character section should really have it's own page then.--Dangerous-Boy 20:07, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't think it's that time just yet. WP:FICT says that should be done only when the main page gets bloated because of them; I'm not sure that's happened yet. --InShaneee 20:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well...I'm glad to see you took so much away from that discussion. --InShaneee 19:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean?--Dangerous-Boy 19:42, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  split 

message: Recently, I have taken the information from the Sessions section of the main page and added it at the beginning of the new Episodes page. I feel that this is enough of a cut down to keep the size of the article manageable for the time being while we are still deciding what to do.
As a separate issue, what do we do with the Media page? Because without the episode summaries carrying it, it really shouldn't have it's own page. -- Makaio 00:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can move the theme songs stuff to this page and the movie page.  That's what the ghost in shell SAC article has.  SOundtracks are already taken care of under the seatbelts page.  The manga list can be it's own article.  You can move the links to the yoko kano article and the seatbelts article.--Dangerous-Boy 03:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episodes 

message: In several recent interviews about Samurai Champloo, Wantanabe said that he was glad that unlike in Cowboy bebop all the characaters in Champloo Survived,  this should probably be noted since it seems to confirm spikes death.
Leon Evelake
*I don't think it should be mentioned, since it could in theory be referring to Vicious. --InShaneee 21:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spike's Death 

message: Something needs to be done about that.  Either merge with the character sections or get rid of it.--Dangerous-Boy 18:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said above, I'm in favor of getting rid of it. --InShaneee 23:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: get rid of it then...--Dangerous-Boy 05:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons section 

message: "3 of the seiyuu who voiced characters here also voiced characters in Neon Genesis Evangelion"
I don't this this is really a valid trivia unless it's not coincidental.  Else, it would be trivia saying some of them were in Love Hina together, etc. --Wirbelwind 15:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Nuke it! --InShaneee 19:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nuke it!--D-Boy 21:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That mushroom cloud signifys that it is now done. :) --InShaneee 00:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: - Pretty much all the Bebop books that I have (Both English & Japanese) have Ed's full name as Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV, and that's what it is on the DVDs too.
- Jet's age is 36 according to the anime guides, and I believe this age has been published many time elsewhere.
- Re: the Sergio Leone/Clinteast Wood thing. Yes there is an obvious reference to westerns, but unless one of the creators specifically says this movie or that character, I don't think specifics should be mentioned. Where is the source?
- Re the epsiodes that didn't air on the first run: I'd have to check, but I think the creators mentioned something about it in the DVD extras some where. I will have to check.
- Spike does have a fake eye, that is why they are two different colours. How and when he got it is a mystery, but it was before he met Julia, not when he left the syndicate.
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You don't have to have the creator's permission to list a refrence. If it's obvious they're refrencing something, then it should be put in the article.
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No , but you are supposed to list a source. Also, unless one of the creators of the series actually confirms the reference, you can't actually be sure that that was what they were referencing, particularly since they come from another culture. 
For example, it's commonly believed that the anime movie "Metropolis" is inspired by the Fritz Lang film. But it's not! It's based off of a manga by Osamu Tezuka, who had not seen the Lang film when he created the manga. 
(see http://en.tezuka.co.jp/manga/sakuhin/m011/m011_01.html)
About Western influence in Spike's character, it is nonexistent:  Spike was modeled after the character Yusaku Matsuda in Tantel Monogatari according to the creators' interview on the Cowboy Bebop Movie DVD extras.Cuneiform 13:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure he got it while he knew Julia. I remember flashbacks of like, him going to her with his eye all bloodied and stuff. (-Kid. 12:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some more thought based on the Talk Section: 

message: The person who tagged this article for clean up failed to give a reason on the talk page. For that reason, I'm removing the tag. Michiganotaku 23:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The reason for clean up? 

message: I came to this article because I was looking for some information on the differences between the various DVD releases of Cowboy Bebop (ie. original US release Cowboy Bebop Sessions vs. Cowboy Bebop Remix vs. any Japanese DVD releases, etc.).  Much to my surprise, there's no information available here!  If anyone has knowledge of the various DVD releases, I think adding that information to the article would definitely be useful and pertinent (as well as much appreciated!) - Runch 03:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD Releases

message: Doing a scan of this article, I am sorely surprised at the lack of references (One source? Out of what?) and the numerous statements that look like original research (Like in the influences section). It looks like a fan site more than an encyclopedic article. 
The references section i'm most surprised about. Nobody has those CB guides Tokyopop put out years ago? No artbooks or other media from Japan? The Influences section....several of them smack of original research and don't have a reference to back it up. 
I think this is why it got canned from being a featured article. Namely, it severely violates rule 1c.  --293.xx.xxx.xx 10:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rule 1c? As in....? Anyway, I agree. Too much fan stuff. I guess some are OK, like the bruce lee stuff, but in general this is way too fan-like. --SidiLemine 11:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The tags and their reasonings 

message: InShaneee, I've included the link to TvRage.com's page for Cowboy Bebop.  Their guide has been constructed better than TV.com's, the info is more accurate, and they have a bigger quantity of it.  If you take it down, then TV.com's page needs to come down as well.  It's poorly constructed and a lot of info was deleted from it when they switched from TvTome.  Just because they get more hits doesn't mean they have better info.  I will cite examples if you're going to push the issue.  And if you delete again without dicussion, I will demand an Admin step in and look at both sites.  JohnQ.Public  14:21, 16 October 2006
:I am an admin, and I have looked at both sites. We've already got too many external links, and there's a reason we created a standard template for tv.com. --InShaneee 14:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just my two cents but I don't see why tvrage.com can't replace tv.com if it has better information on a specific series, or even have a tvrage template created? I'll admit that I haven't looked at tvrage's page, but if it really does have better information than tv.com, then I don't see why tvrage can't be included. --Wirbelwind 21:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That user is a spammer from TVRage.com who's been going around claiming that his site is vastly superior and needs to replace all tv.com links. He's now blocked. --InShaneee 14:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TVRage.com Link 

message: I was just going to throw in a citation needed, but the Lupin the Third article is HEAVILY flawed, not just a little, and I removed it entirely as I could find no way to rewrite it properly. There were no citations other than what people deem self "obvious", and Wantanbe -himself- has addressed the Lupin the 3rd/Spike similiarites with a -very- "*shrug*, not really" attitude. If the need becomes to cite this, I will, but again, please keep this a little more "factual" than speculation. The only true influence documented by wantanbe and staff was indeed that of the actor for detective movies, and NOT lupin the 3rd. If you find sources stating otherwise, feel free to correct me. I have no problem with him being an influence, but there's too much evidence suggesting he at least wasn't as big of one as stated here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.41 (talk) .
:This would be great to have sourced. Anyone knows when/where Watanabe dienied this, and said the detective movies stuff? I think we should take the influences the whole other way around. Not speculate and then try to source it, but more look for sources and include anything we find. --SidiLemine 12:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lupin the 3rd 

message: I suspect that the Influences in this article were found from this site
http://rfblues.aaanime.net/Omake/Influences/
It's organized at the top from different sessions from 1-13,14-end,movie
I feel that although it does need to cite sources and it is self researched claims, the influences are accurate.
No Original Research. Unless it can be linked to credible sources, it risks being deleted.--293.xx.xxx.xx 00:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: The screening times for Australia are wrong, I belive.
I watched Cowboy Bebop the Movie on free-to-air network SBS last night Thursday 28th December 2006, which is ahead of the "premiere" date of 2007 mentioned.
Also, I'm SURE that this has been on SBS before within the past few years. 
141.202.248.11 22:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episodes 

message: Spike's character inspiration is confirmed on the "Cowboy Bebop: The Movie" DVD.  This is not, however, documented anywhere I can find online.  If I state the exact featurette from the DVD, would it still need an internet citation? Squierhater01 03:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: A lot of other anime, or for that matter any show, have release information.  I know that it would be very helpful to readers.  This does not require reviews or anything, but I bring this up because there was an initial collector's edition release (out of print) and a second, compressed release (the only one still available), along with the standard 4-ep seperate dvds.  Very few people differentiate between the two, but someone should be able to find out and add this fact somewhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.112.200.106 (talk) 03:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add some of that later.  It's all in the encyclopedia on Anime News Network if anyone else wants to find it. Hewinsj 14:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD Release Information 

message: I noticed someone wanted citation on the comparison of Spike to Japanese actor Yusaku Matsuda.  I distinctly recall that was stated on the Knockin' on Heaven's Door DVD, so I mentioned this and removed the tag. Piedmon Sama 01:57, 4 April 2007
:If you can find where they state it in the DVD you can use "cite episode" and list the time to show the spot in the audio commentary where it is mentioned. Hewinsj 07:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yusaku Matsuda 

message: My fellow cowboys, I made an interesting discovery about Jet.
His design is too similar to Blacky (note the name) from War Of The Flying Saucers (Go Nagai's prototype of Grendizer) for it to be a coincidence.
Please verify my claims at: http://www.nagaifans.it/oav/uchuu_eban/profili/profili.htm
Scroll down to see Blacky's picture. Interesting tribute indeed. 
 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.7.29.29 (talk) 16:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jet Black's Origins 

message: I'd really love to see a section discussing the existential themes and stylistic elements present in Cowboy Bebop. I think it would really improve the article, and is definitely a missing element currently, then we could legitimately add Category:Existentialism! :D
--DragonGuyver 13:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Existentialism in Cowboy Bebop?

message: I've been brainstorming descriptions of Cowboy Bebop locations:
#Venus, Arab-oriented (Everything on Venus is written in Arabic script), dangerous atmosphere/air and desc. of plants and "snowflakes"
#Ganymede
#Europa, Desert, wars (vicious and Gren)
#Mars, Japanese-Oriented
#Earth
#The no-man's-land Chessmaster Hex lived in
#Callisto, Jupiter Jazz episode, no women, cold, Russian-ish society
etc. Wrad 00:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locations/planets in Bebop 

message: The only influence mentioned for this episode title is the film of the same name.  As a former music student, however, I immediately noticed the musical reference to Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire, a song cycle in which the protagonist is both a hero and a fool.  Granted, he is a villain and a fool in the CB episode, but the parallels are still there.  The musical style for the episode is thoroughly modern, yet not quite purely chromatic or serial--just the same as Schoenberg's piece.  I think it is a connection that deserves exploration and inclusion. Thoughts? Postmodern Beatnik 18:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone else thought up of this and posted it on the web, be my guest. We had a super-long influences list that got gutted because there were no citations. — Edward Z. Yang(Talk) 19:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try and find something.  For now it's just something that seems pretty obvious to me. But we wouldn't want to go violating WP:NOR, WP:RS, or WP:V.  I'll make the edit as soon as I find something reliable.  Thanks for the response. Postmodern Beatnik 06:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences - Pierrot le Fou 

message: This paragraph is way too speculative:
There are rumors that the network purposely tried to "sabotage" the series (perhaps due to the climate in the aftermath of Evangelion), but there is evidence to suggest the time slot after April 23 was already booked, leaving little room for the new series. In fact, the episode number XX is said to have been protested by staff for the treatment of the show.
And do tell me how Cowboy Beebop can be a seinen when it was published in Asuka in Japan? ^^;;;Ikkokukan 09:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Seinen?