Talk:Lebanese Australians

message: is bob katter as a famous lebanese australian a joke? I've removed it. If he is by some chance actually lebanese, please cite.--Phatmattbaker 10:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: citations required

message: Should something be put in about the Cronulla riots? Alot of the anger there seemed to be directed towards lebanese australians, so i think it would be relevent. Ill leave the decision up to you guys. -kurtas
:Yes, it's relevant to the article, but don't forget to keep it NPOV. CG 11:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cronulla Riots? 

message: this shouldnt be merged. "Leb" is uniquely aussie.
*What? "Leb" is also commonly used pejoratively in Canada and I have no doubt other nations. "Leb" should not redirect here. QuinnHK 05:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Canada

message: links to articles about criminal incidents don't belong in an article about an ethnic group of people, so I've removed them. To include such links would be to associate the whole ethnic roup (in this case many thousands of people) with the event. This is unencyclopedic. Furthermore, to include the link to 'list of Australian criminals' is just absurd. I'm also not sure that the link to the 'Sydney race riots' belongs here. If there is an argument that these links do belong here, then I think we should also link 'sydney race riots' and 'list of Australian criminals' to Anglo-Celtic Australian, Asian Australian, Greek Australian and others. These are absurd edits and should be removed. -- Adz|talk 12:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: See also list

message: I find it funny that atleast one in three notable lebanese Australians are criminals
As long as the Australian article does not have every single australian that has commited a crime, this article should not contain unheard of rapists and terroists. 
Just because they have been on the media doesnt make them notable, if so, every Australian criminal who has been mentioned in the media should be placed in the Notable Australian list.
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This is just a racist joke
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.45.223 (talk • contribs) 
:: At least the wog crims aren't nonces. Even the Sydney gang rapists only did chicks of roughly reproductive age. Jeez just looks at the Crime in Austrlia page to see how bad some of the skip srims are. Nonces, paedos gay sex killers etc etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.172.145 (talk) 13:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hilarious 

message: Stop placing this name back into the notable list. He is not a notable Lebanese Australian. People charged with affray and assault are not notable people, he is unheard of.
I wouldnt say hes unheard of. a quick google search brings up >500 articles. which is more then alot of the other "notables" Raya 85 22:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ali Osman

message: It is unprofessional, vandalised by racists, and now has been locked.
It is obvious the problem is the notable list. There is only one broad category, Notable Lebanese Australians, this accounts for the significant members of the community, which was its original intention, rather than publicised criminals due to racial events. 
It would make sense to seperate this list into sub categories, and that way criminals are not classed as "notable".
The articles Greek Australian, Italian Australian, do not list any criminals in the "people" section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cedar 88 (talk • contribs) .
:You are incorrect. The List of Italian Australians links to at least three criminals. Ansell 07:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While having too many notable criminals gives the wrong impression, if the majority of LAustralians with wiki articles have some sort of blemish, that's not the fault of wiki. All you need to do is balance the list with articcles with LAus acheivers.Bakaman Bakatalk 04:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: THIS ARTICLE HAS BECOME A JOKE

message: In the section "Notable Lebanese Australians" within the article " Lebanese Australians" , there are many gang rapists noted who are not notable.  By listing every gang rapist, the article suggests that a majority of Lebanese Australians are criminals as a large percentage of criminals are in the list. On the same note, why not list every good Lebanese person who has been on the news. Whilst, if you search for Chinese Australians- there are no criminals listed in their Notable persons list. This is clearly defamatory, and I may take action once I seek advise from my attorney.
Also the below need to be included to the list:
- Robbie Farrah: NRL player for West Tigers - George Lazenby:Actor - Jamese Bond- On Her Majesties Service - Reuben F Scarf: Founder of Reuben F Scarf mens fashion stores - Eddie Obeid: NSW Member of Parliament - George Joseph - Former Lord Mayor of the City of Adelaide - Eden Gaha - Sydney-born and bred TV personality - Jaques Nasser - Former President of Ford
Get real Mick, Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, are you gonna track down all of these people and take them to Court? I think you're living in a fantasy world if you think you're gonna sue all of them for defamation. 
Anyway, the "notable" list is exhaustive enough. There's no need to list every single participant in the Sydney gang rapes, just a single link to the relevant article will do. I also object to the "redlinks" such as Barbara Perry, John Symonds, etc. The fact that these individuals do not even have an article for themselves on wikipedia signifies that they are non-notable. 
Jim Saleam should be removed - there is no (concrete) evidence to prove he is of Lebanese extraction, as well as Tamara Jaber, a singer from a manufactured pop-group who has never even released an album.
--User:Andrew777 , 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It is not a fact that every notable person has a wikipedia article. If you read who these red links are, they are clearly notable people. The first women Leb Australian politician , and the CEO of one of the largest finance organisations in Australia. 
This is in contrast to the list of criminals on this list, just because they have committed a crime which has been mentioned on the media, it does not make them a notable person. If it did the lists of criminals on other pages would be endless. It is because of their race, their notablitiy is exaggerated.
they were not just "mentioned" in the media they were front page news for multiple days. Raya 85 07:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Every other list has gangsters and drug kings also. And as for your claims of bias, I noted your vandalism edit to the Ehud Olmert page. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 02:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: As an example i would be horrified if anyone listed those Australian pedophile pricks in Indonesia or Thailand as notable Anglo-Aussies and justifiably I would be outraged! So are we all clear, good. Now stop this bullshit and play like nice boys and girls, start acting like proper Aussies. ALL OF US!--Theinnerexits 15:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Proper Aussies"? I'm not Australian. "Australian" is someone with Australian citizenship (i.e., a civic and legal term), not an inherent behavioural characteristic or ethnicity. Be careful with presumptions. I've noticed (much to my annoyance) in these debates that "Australian" is slung around as a synonym for "white" — and I was the one who templated this article in the first place. 193.61.177.96 17:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i suggest you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aussie Raya 85 09:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you re-read my statement above. I wrote "Australian", not "Aussie". Agenda-driven contributors to Wikipedia pages relating to Lebanese Australians have constantly added either racist statements or insinuations, not least the almost imperceptible slight that "Australian" — not Aussie — is synonymous with "white". What is more, the level of debate on the matter has been little more than back-and-forth sloganeering. It's an embarrassment to Australia, Australians (of any ethnic background) and Wikipedia. 193.61.177.92 17:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Aussie" is just a national nick name, it isn't an ethnicity.--Steven X 08:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defamatory comments included in this page. 

message: I think this article, along with any other ## Australian (eg Greek, or something) article should be merged into a big Ethnic Australians Article.
Also of note is that seing as you can not be both a Lebanese and an Australian, they should be catergorized as Australian's of Lebanese Descent or,
as the case may be, Lebanese people living in Australia.
Something else to mention is the Cronulla Riots, or the 'Race' Riots as they were dubbed, those are pertinent to this article because alot of racial
animosity was directed towards the Lebanese Community, and people of middle eastern appearance, in general.
There should certainly not be an Ethnic Australian section. After all, all Australians are ethnic Australians of some kind - that includes the English, Scottish, Welsh, Dutch, Irish, Aboriginal, and German-Australians ...  Eligius (talk) 03:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic Australians 

message: Hey (new to this)
Added an External links section to Australian Arabic/Lebanese cultural links. Also, expanded the 'see also' section to include 'Arab diaspora,'Christianity in Australia' and 'Relgion in Australia'. I'll get around to writing a longer article. Lastly looking to obtain permission from the Immigration Museum Australia for use of Lebanese Aussie photos from early in the 20th Century, you can see the pictures at this site: http://immigration.museum.vic.gov.au/origins/gallery.aspx?id=37&img=142
Ghazawy 15:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added External Links Section + Expanded See also Section 

message: I have reinserted the list of criminals, but I think its inclusion should be debated.  Is there any reason why we don't have a similar category for other ethnic groups?  Criminals exist in all ethnic groups y'know.  Kransky (talk) 11:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Other pages do include criminals where applicable. It can just be put back into pure alpahebetical order if needed. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 02:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Criminals

message: The rapist links, and to a lesser degree the criminal section, are completely irrelevant to the article. An encyclopedia (isn't Wikipedia supposed to be one?) should be an accurate and unbiased resource of relevant facts about a topic. I fail to see how 'outing' a number of convicted rapists is relevant to this topic. If the people who keep adding the links to the criminal section feel that listing rapists is useful to the general community, then they should list every single rapist in Australia, rather than just focus on those of Lebanese background. 
As a compromise, rather than list each rapist, why not include a link to the actual incident/s and subsequent court case. As it stands, the inclusion of each rapist's name appears to be racially-motivated, and this does the Wikipedia community a great disservice.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairdes (talk • contribs) 04:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, although it is more a case of undue weight than inaccuracy.  Kransky (talk) 07:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the links to the list of rapists for the reasons stated above. I will continue to do delete this list. I have no problem with someone creating a separate link that details the court case relating to the incidents with the list of rapists. As it stands at the moment, the link within this article is racially-motivated and suggests that all Australians of Lebanese heritage are rapists and/or criminals. --Fairdes (talk) 10:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have escalated to WP:AWNB#Fooian Australian criminals - notable Fooian Australians? as I think it is a question of general policy.  I believe WP:ONEEVENT applies and articles on some of these people are accordingly unwarranted - an article on the even may be appropriate.--Matilda talk 22:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The incident is notable and should be included - with sensitivity.  There is a Sydney gang rapes article where those people can be listed.  A link to this article should suffice, along with a short, impartial explanation.  Kransky (talk) 12:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criminal - Rapist section 

message: Looking at the article's history, versions grouping individuals by claim to notability was more readable than the current layout. Andjam (talk) 13:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout of page 

message: I can find no reliable independent source that confirms Tammin Sursok has a Lebanese background. I suggest she be removed from the list. Regards, WWGB (talk) 03:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tammin Sursok 

message: I'm surprised not to have found this very notable gent in the list. His 'aquarised' suits were a household word in Sydney from the 1950s to the '80s. He was also a great philanthropist and sponsor of the local Recovery movement for alkies and crims. There's plenty on him at  NLA Trove, only I could not find verification that he was Lebanese. (It was commonly said that was.) Bjenks (talk) 17:38, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reuben F. Scarf 

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