Talk:Janus

message: Guy there is a lot of information about Janus here that you have excluded.  Janus is but another form for Dianus as Jana is for Diana, and they are supposed to be "married" to each other.  Also, theres a lot more about him then explained here yes he is seen as a symbolism to the door but he is also related to fecundity and (is later attributed) aspects of the sun, and the two headed aspect of him supposedly comes from the Etruscan influence.
For more info look here:
: http://www.bartleby.com/196/27.html
: http://mythindex.com/roman-mythology//J/Janus.html - Firestorm10 (talk) 15:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dianus/Janus and Diana/Jana

message: Hey there, can someone clarify exactly what you mean by action not equal to word (action != word)? Does that mean the Janus head refers to the act of deception, or that deception is when your actions are not equal to what you said, or what? Thanks. - Jsan 23:38, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Action not equal to word / deception?

message: Janus head typically refers to hypocrisy; that is, when you say one thing and do another. -- X-G, 30 Jun 2004 01:07 UTC
:If so, is it possible then that Janus is the god referred to in the motto "In God We Trust" that's inscribed on the face of all U.S. currency?
K. Kellogg-Smith (talk) 12:06, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's really inappropriate here. Chris Weimer (talk) 02:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Hypocrisy?

message: how about a section "Janus in popular culture"? so far that James Bond villain (in one of the latest films of that franchise) comes to mind. There's also Janus Chess, a chess variant using a piece called Janus (wikilink got me to this page) (clem 10:00, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The true name of the Chrono Trigger character Magus is Janus. There's another (possible?) reference. --BPM (talk) 10:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Also, in Vampire: The Masquerade, the Malkavian protagonist refers to another Malkavian vampire as a "Daughter of Janus" - this is because she has a dual personality disorder as part of her dementation. Also as a tongue-in-cheek to the fact she is "two-faced". Also, in the end of the santa-monica arc of said game, there is a scene where this "Daughter of Janus"'s face is split into two - one for each personality, much like Janus' face.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.50.155 (talk) 22:58, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Not sure if it counts as popular culture, but there ought to be a mention of Janus Kinases in this section (since its name is a reference to one subunit having kinase activity and the other (almost-identical) subunit regulating the kinase activity of the first. SandololDaGrate (talk) 13:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture? 

message: I've never heard Janus Headed used as a comment for deception, I'm pretty sure you meant Two-Faced... Robgea
Shakespeare used the term "Janus-faced" in one of his plays referring to "two-facedness."  I'm unsure of the specific work, but I want to go with Othello.
:FWIW:
::Othello I: II:
:::OTHELLO	 Not I.	 I must be found:
:::	 My parts, my title and my perfect soul
:::	 Shall manifest me rightly. Is it they?
::IAGO	 By Janus, I think no.
::Merchant of Venice I: I:
:::SALARINO	 Not in love neither? Then let us say you are sad,
:::	 Because you are not merry: and 'twere as easy
:::	 For you to laugh and leap and say you are merry,
:::	 Because you are not sad. Now, by two-headed Janus,
:::	 Nature hath framed strange fellows in her time...
I am reasonably confident that those are the only Janus references in Shakespeare's plays anyway. I was unable to find any in his poetry, but I don't stand bail for it.
JonRichfield (talk) 07:54, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do you mean two-faced? 

message: Augustine acknowledges Janus as the god of origins with Terminus as the god of endings.
* This is a late imperial misunderstanding of earlier theology. Terminus was the god of boundaries (thus the termini, boundary markers), and Ianus would have been seen as the god of origins seeing as his month started the year. It's developmental theology. Chris Weimer (talk) 02:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Janus and "endings" 

message: This link to a myspace band seems rather out-of-place in the list.  If anyone thinks it should be there, feel free to put it back. 86.131.53.100 05:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fight the Skies" in Popular culture

message: How is Janus pronounced? Is it Jay-nuss, or Ya-nuss? Aaadddaaammm 07:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation? 

message: I removed the wording 
: who has a penchant for praying directly to whatever god interests him at the moment
bcz (whatever you may have been taught playing Dungeons & Dragons) that is how polytheism works: you pray to the god having dominion over your current problem, even if you have more of a "personal relationship" with others.  Similarly, when Pullo is treated for a depressed skull fracture, the physician recommends to Vorenus a specific sacrifice to a specific god. Read up on your Christian saints, & you'll find they similarly have dominion over (to me surprising combinations of) various things like lost objects or lost causes or travel or specific relationships among relatives. If "interests him at the moment" means "depending on his situation" it's unremarkable behavior; if it means "at random", it's original research in the absence of verifiability that Pullo is known to fans for that.--Jerzy•t 03:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titus Pullo 

message: Any corelation between janus and baptism?
What Christian baptism? Unlikely. You might mean link-correlation has a definite statistical meaning.Slightnostalgia (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baptism 

message: I can find no evidence of a Janus Talon in Star Wars, there is no article on him at the starwars wiki. 86.130.51.215 (talk) 23:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture 

message: "Janus was usually depicted with two faces looking in opposite directions, generally facing towards naked homosexual men."
I've never heard a statement like this before. Is it possible to have a citation for this?
Also, I think it doesn't make much sense, since Janus is facing in two opposite directions. Subumloc (talk) 18:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like subtle vandalism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.132.242.1 (talk) 16:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Identities on coinage can be elusive, but I think our article has it right, broadly speaking. There's a handy article on Janus coin images here .  Provincially minted Roman coins (which may well be stylistically Greek, particularly in Magna Graeca) often show janiform heads, bearded or beardless, male or female. But without archaeological or written evidence of their cults, temples, shrines or statuary or other evidence, they are personifications - or even Greek copies of Roman models, produced as statements of allegiance or loyalty. Haploidavey (talk) 09:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

text: I wish I could be as positive about the rest of this article. It's bloated with barely relevant commentary, speculations and out-of-date scholarship. Haploidavey (talk) 10:00, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source? 

message: This article (and other references I've seen mentions Janus as associated with January which begins the new year. But surely in early Roman times when the name would have been adopted, the year began in March. --rossb (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Start of year 

message: Dear unknown wikifriend who deleted my addition to the etimology section without notice, would you please be so kind to give your explanation?
I know this is a place where everybody writes what he likes provided he can support it with some sort of academic backing, and often conflicts of views may arise, however it is a question of good manners to respect others' editing and points of view.
At least according to the spirit of wikilove one should first make his point in the discussion section before proceeding to delete anything.
I do not even dream of deleting what someone here has written based on his personal view and/or original research. But I see that the principles of wikipedia are applied in a peculiar way in some places.Aldrasto (talk) 07:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the god and etimolgy 

message: There are issues of OR and overall article balance (tending toward non-neutral POV) in the section Janus#The Roman Janus and the Indian Ganesha. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:26, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm looking for some opinions on whether this section could just be deleted. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an "aye". There's been no response to its tagging; I can't see how this over-long section serves the topic. Haploidavey (talk) 15:47, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ganesha 

message: I have finished, more or less. I welcome feedback.Aldrasto11 (talk) 12:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing 

message: The article was first rated B in the Classical Greece and Rome  project,  later it has been rerated to C. I do not really care about ratings, however I will be pleased if the people concerned would be so kind  and helpful as to point out what shortcomings they found in  the article so that they may be adressed.Aldrasto11 (talk) 05:36, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That may have been me. Reasons: copyediting (including standardized spellings of English proper nouns in body text other than quotations), wikification (linking etc.), untranslated passages, formatting, organization. A B-class article has to be free of these kinds of technical and surface errors. The rating was not a comment on quality of content or thoroughness. Apologies, I had meant to leave a note to that effect. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:01, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Quite right; there seems to have been some cleanup, or I was unduly influenced by the untranslated passages and redlinks. Cynwolfe (talk) 18:29, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

text: A redlink is OK if it's of sufficient notability to sustain an independent article, and you think such an article should and will be written. You might also want to look over phrases that are not in English within the body text; these should be italicized. As for overall organization, I often find that when I write a long article and leave it a while, when I return I see many ways to improve it through consolidating and reordering sections. Some information that was part of my thought process in assembling the material may prove to be unnecessary for a general article in an encyclopedia (that is, it may be overly detailed or technical), or might be better relegated to a footnote. For a major mythological figure like this, I feel strongly that an article, or at least its top sections, should be comprehensible to an intelligent and motivated 17-year-old who may be looking up the figure on Wikipedia because she's found it in a work of fiction or something. To me that's the purpose of Wikipedia, since even college students doing research for a paper will at best be using WP as an introduction or overview of the topic, and should use the scholarship itself for actual research. Cynwolfe (talk) 13:42, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

text: What I said was just in general. Food for thought. And only my opinion, which I'm not shy of voicing. Others might regard what I said as a desire to "dumb down." It's just something I'm aiming for in my own contributions. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rating 

message: I just noticed this when it was corrected from "cultual". I think "cultic" might be intended, or simply "cult" (= "cult title"), meaning the epithet that pertains to a particular form of cult devoted to the god. Aldrasto may know what was intended. Cynwolfe (talk) 21:19, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Cultural' epithets? 

message: I've looked at other websites and none of them mention Janus to be a god of time. Could someone please check that?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.156.241.95 (talk) 20:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Janus A god of time? 

message: The abreaviation IE is used without being spelled out and is confusing to laymen.
It should at least be spelled out on first use for every section.  brill (talk) 06:36, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term sort forms confusing 

message: I did some work, hope it is in the good direction. Feedback welcome.Aldrasto11 (talk) 11:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, that sentence appears to be incorrect. Gmarmstrong (talk) 23:21, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing 

message: Berossus showed red so I changed it to Berosus that is fine. But it should be spelt Berossus according to WK pages. I suppose the astronomer.Aldrasto11 (talk) 04:56, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berosus 

message: I see someone's removed the edit box a couple of times but given no explanation for deletion, so they've been reverted. I think there is a good case for removing the edit box.
The picture is fine but the material below it is strange - nothing but parentage and siblings. The Romans didn't care much about such things; Ovid wrote jolly verses but narrative myths and theological genealogies just didn't have the same importance as we sometimes ascribe nowadays - perhaps because we tend to confuse Roman religion with Greek mythology. Yet this infobox has nothing but this rather irrelevant information. Similarly, he wasn't worshipped so much because he was the "god of beginnings and transitions" as because he was one of the principal three ancient gods of Rome and therefore it was essential that the proper rites should be performed. Couldn't we just lose the box and keep the picture? NebY (talk) 19:10, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm the one who has reverted both times and I think removing the infobox is probably fine, provided we aren't also removing the hatnotes for no apparent reason. -- Fyrael (talk) 04:11, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Looks like someone's taken note and done it right. NebY (talk) 12:48, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I am doing a rewriting of the French version of Janus and base myself on this article and what French scholars have. A quick feed back:
*Bravo! thank you for the excellent work done on this article by the WP community
*The only thing which I'd change is minimize the association with/mention of the Tigillum Sororium:
*#It is a place not even associated with Janus in the first place;
*#not even with Juno if you read the Classics;
*#Janus Curiatus and Juno Sororia seem to be a creation of Marcel Renard to justify the association as paredras of the two gods;
*#I personally find his (maybe not his only) religious and symbolical analysis of "post-war doors"  as triumphal arcs and tigillum sororium much enlightening and perfectly justified in an article about Janus, but, let's say, its mentioning should go from about 30 currently to 1 or 2... 
--Diligent (talk) 07:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Tigillum Sororium]]'' 

message: If no one objects to it within the next twelve hours or so, I will be deleting the "Modern popular culture" section for this article. My reasons for doing this are as follows:
:1. There is only one citation in the entire section.
:2. Almost all of the information in the section is completely trivial and irrelevant to the main subject of the article.
:3. The section continues to grow, which is not good because it is already bloated enough as it is.--Katolophyromai (talk) 21:53, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed: it's bloated, almost uncited (the single citation is a 404 not found) and imo cries out for excision of ephemera and mere mentions; but best allow a few days before outright deletion. Some editors might object (not me). Clearance of these sections in toto is not at all unusual in G&R's Roman religion/mythology articles; but it might be worth pointing out that some of our Greek religion and myth editing faction devised a dedicated article Greek mythology in popular culture. And although some might consider it a dump for popular overspill, it's surprisingly well-sourced. Haploidavey (talk) 22:47, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very well. I will wait until Sunday evening before I delete it. I greatly appreciate your feedback. If anyone objects to the deletion, I will not delete it. I generally do not like deleting whole sections all at once, but these popular culture sections seem to be rife with problems and I have discovered that, in many cases, it is better to simply delete them rather than try to deal with them.--Katolophyromai (talk) 00:42, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is now Sunday evening and no one has raised any objections. I am going to go ahead and delete the "In popular culture" section.--Katolophyromai (talk) 02:29, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of "Modern popular culture" section 

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