Talk:Sniper rifle/Archive 1

message: "Military sniper rifles tend to have longer barrels of around 300 mm to allow the cartridge propellant to fully burn and get the fastest bullet velocity for a given charge." is clearly incorrect or at least poorly worded.  300mm isn't even a foot long!
:I dont know what the right length should be, but 300mm is about 1 foot, so it cant be correct.say1988 16:55, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
::Just to demonstrate, a few lengths are: M-16 (standard US assault rifle, not sniper rifle)=508mm (just for comparison),  G3=450mm, M-21=560mm, Dragunov=610mm, M24 SWS=610mm, M40 =610mm, L96=686mm, M82A1=737mm, Steyr IWS 2000=1200mm.
:Based on these numbers (all off of weapons listed on this page, excluding most "designated marsmanship rifles", because most listed there are just slightly modified assault rifles) I think that it should probably be 600mm and I will change it to that, if anyone doesnt like my research, just change it back.say1988 17:17, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
:Also "There is no correlation between barrel length and accuracy"? I have always believed that longer barrels (to a point) are more accurate, also on the sniper page there are a list of reasons why barrel length is important to accuracy. (resonant length, rifling, etc.)say1988 17:25, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
:: *Keep in mind that shorter barrels are stiffer which also allows for greater accuracy.  Not extremely short barrels, but more like a 24 inch barrel vs. a 26 inch barrel.
::: In my experience, the article is correct: barrel length does not appreciably effect accuracy.  There are a number of secondary effects, such as rifle weight, muzzle velocity, sight radius (not applicable to optically sighted rifles), muzzle blast, etc., that effect practical accuracy, but the effect on the precision of the rifle itself is negligible.  600mm sounds about right for a military sniper rifle.
:::: Scientific barrels used to test the accuracy of ammunition are extremely short, perhaps only 10 inches or so. They are the most accurate barrels there are. Longer barrels have more resonant frequencies than short barrels, so the shorter the better. The sacrifice is muzzle velocity. Qwasty 17:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barrel Length 

message: this article is badly in need of a rework. I changed a few things here and there, and then completely rewrote the introduction with more specific details on what a sniper rifle is. Hopefully that will get the other editors off on the right foot to make this article more educational. There's a great deal of interest from the public on sniper rifles, and a great deal of paranoia as well, and I think it's important for this article to be a good one. Qwasty 18:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  redoing this article 

message: The cheap and very common Remington 700 action is the most commonly selected action in police sniper rifles, it should be mentioned with a cite from somewhere. I don't remember for sure off the top of my head, but I think the current US military rifles are built on that action also. 
I also think the sections on bolt actions versus semi automatics should be moved under the actions section, and more attention should be given to the types of actions normally selected for sniper rifles (basically cheap ones, that are easy to accurize).
Qwasty 17:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actions 

message: When I first started working on this article, it was pretty messy. It seems to have a small following of competent editors now, and it's progressing quickly. Have spent a lot of time on this article lately, and I just notice that today it's been rated B-class. Congrats to everyone who has contributed. Qwasty 05:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, this rating was given when the article was in a state quite close to what it was before you started editing it and secondly "b class" is not very high and indicates an article that still requires extensive work. Deon Steyn 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I started working on this article about a year ago, when I vowed to ensure that it becomes a good article, due to public interest relating to gun control issues. Since then I've been collecting information and planning a rewrite. See "redoing this article", near the top of the page. I have no doubt it still requires extensive work. Qwasty 20:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-class rating 

message: I have trimmed this section down. I have also removed reference to Police sniper rifles requiring less accuracy, because the opposite is in fact true. Yes, the work over shorter distances, but they in fact require more accuracy, please see . Another example is the FBI (surely Police not military) requirement for .5 MOA which is TWICE as accurate as the US Military figure quoted, see 
Deon Steyn 06:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy 

message: I have trimmed down this section and added some examples of typical ranges and better qualified references to police sniper rifles. 
Deon Steyn 07:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maximum effective range