Talk:Jerusalem Day

message: Could someone please change:
:: The strain of controversy has been felt during the Jerusalem day parade. violent interactions have been reported between Arabs and Israeli youth during.[38]
to
:: The strain of controversy has been felt during the Jerusalem day parade, during which violent interactions have been reported between Arab and Israeli youth.[38]
I'm not sure about the wording of the first part, but this seems to be the most minimal change for it to be grammatically correct. a11ce (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:38, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Sentence fragment

message: Hi again, it's me.. back, with a registered username. Heh. Now, while I agree the text of this article shouldn't be copied from the Knesset's website, today my comments are about the name change. I'm not so sure that it's a good idea. If you hold this to be true, would you change Yom Ha'Shoah to Holocaust Remembrance Day? Yom Hazikaron to Memorial Day? Yom Ha'atzma'ut to Israel Independence Day? No. Because that's not what their name is. --Hersch 07:02, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Change

message: I removed the following text, which was copied from the copyrighted article , and replaced it with a short paragraph in my own words that provides key facts from the same source.
:Following that victory, on June 27, 1967, the government presented the Knesset with three law proposals. These proposals dealt with the annexation of Jerusalem and sanctioned the application of Israeli law in the entire area of the city. The municipal boundaries of the city were altered and its area was increased threefold: from 38,100 dunams to 110,000 dunams. At the same time a law was adopted that enabled free access to the holy places by the members of every religion.
:On May 12 1968 the government decided to make the 28th of Iyar the symbolic holiday, "Jerusalem Day," designed to "symbolize the continued historical connection of the Jewish People to Jerusalem." In 1980, this holiday became anchored in law when the Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel was adopted. This law determined that Jerusalem was the capital of Israel and the seat of all government ministries and national agencies.
:On March 23 1998 the Knesset passed the second and third readings of the "Jerusalem Day Law", which reiterated that the date that Jerusalem was "liberated" during the Six Day War was now a national holiday.
--Hoziron 05:21, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio 

message: I have removed the section "Jerusalem Day in the Western Calendar" as it is already included in the holiday infobox.  There are many holidays (Jewish and non Jewish) based on other calendars and the infobox is enough to inform the reader of that.  Jon513 22:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. Iosef aetos 18:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jerusalem Day in the Western Calendar 

message: Surely this article should be Jerusalem Day or Jerusalem Day (Israel)? We don't call Bastille Day "Jour de Bastille" or "Quatorze Juillet". After all, this is the English Wikipedia! Number 57 15:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The English wikipedia uses the most common word by English speakers even it is not English.  For example there is an article on Tefillin not phylacteries.  In this case Yom Yerushalayim is what the day is called by english speakers.  I never hear anyone say "Jerusalem Day". Jon513 18:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Similarly, I have never heard anyone call it Yom Yerushalayim when speaking in English. The English language media in Israel also seem to prefer Jerusalem Day (see  or ). I don't like using google hits as evidence, but combining Haaretz and JPost gets 161 for "Jerusalem Day" and 2 for "Yom Yerushalayim". The only "Yom" I can think of which is commonly used in English is Yom Kippur (and even that is translated sometimes). Number 57 18:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As there has been no substantial opposition or evidence to prove otherwise, I am moving this page to Jerusalem Day. Number 57 18:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: The article only has one sentence describing the event the holiday celebrates! I added a link to the broadcast of the event, but the article should describe more of the drama of the soldiers reaching the Western Wall, being careful about NPOV, of course.  —Rafi Neal |T/C 21:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just one sentence!? 

message: The claim that Jordan "killed or forced the Jews in [the Old City and the eastern side of Jerusalem] out in response to the killings and destruction of Arab towns in the western part of Jerusalem, i.e. Deir Yassin" is unsubstantiated and questionable at best.  I am removing it and would request that anyone including it in the future provide a reasonable reference. 71.129.42.138 08:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deir Yassin 

message: There was lots of "celebrating" going on in second par: at least five times in four sentences. I substituted synonyms. Also removed the "celebrated in Israel" with hallel etc. because it's celebrated in same way outside of Israel. 
Question: is the first sentence of this paragraph really necessary? We specifically mention that haredim and Israel's enemies take a different approach. And we say it's an Israeli national holiday. I think it can be safely removed without detracting from the article. Yided 10:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Paragraph 

message: 2nd par says the day is celebrated (among others) by secular Israelis. Poll published on Ynet argues otherwise. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3400210,00.html  "According to the poll, most religious Zionists (67 percent) celebrate Jerusalem Day, compared to only 23 percent of non-religious Israelis, 24 percent of haredim and 63 percent of observant Jews."  
Haven't made a change to reflect this, as I would like to find the original source and use that as a reference. That might not be possible. Not sure how sensible it is to use a newspaper report as a source.
* You also have to consider the make-up, demographically, of Jerusalem. Jerusalem Day doesn't mean much to people outside of the Capital, and people inside are mostly National Religious (דתי לאומי). --FeldBum 14:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does mean something to two thirds of observant Jews outside Jerusalem, which I find surprisingly low. You also have to ask what level of celebraion the poll meant by "celebrate." Day off school? Barbecue? Visit Jerusalem? I imagine that most secular and national-religious Israelis at least recognize Jerusalem Day, and most Haredim don't.  —Rafi Neal |T/C 17:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrants 

message: The last change from "mashehu meyuhad" to "mashehu me'uhad" points up the fact that the slogan for the 40th anniversary is actually a PUN. It SHOULD be "meyuhad" in keeping with the original transliteraton - but the slogan is clearly a play on these two words that sound similar. Translating it as "something special for everyone" does not convey this, so perhaps a comment would be helpful. --Gilabrand 13:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  meyuhad/meuhad 

message: I think that the page move was too bold. --Shuki 17:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. LordAmeth 18:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree as well. The most common name is the Hebrew one, Yom Yerushalayim.--DLandTALK 18:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apart from the fact that's not true: Yom Yerushalayim has 68,100 hit, Jerusalem Day has 74,300. From Haaretz and Jpost the stats are 2 and 161 respectively. Number 57 08:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The newspaper hits are irrelevant. The question is what's most commonly used in regular conversation. I can guarantee that most Conservative and Orthodox communities outside Israel, perhaps even including the Reform, secular, and other groups, refer to these holidays by their Hebrew names even when the community is an English speaking one and the majority of its members do not speak Hebrew. LordAmeth 11:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But we are not talking about merely the Jewish communities. Wikipedia is read by non Jews too! As I have pointed out, it is common in English for religious or traditional festivals to retain their native name, but national holidays are usually rendered in English (e.g. Bastille Day). Number 57 11:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree with all of the above.  --GHcool 19:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 1

message: Is there consensus then to put the name of this holiday into English? Let's take a poll. Add below in bold, followed by your reason. I will start:
Change This is an English-language encyclopedia. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 07:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move 2

message: sides like "jerusalem post" and "jewishvirtuallibrary" are dubious and worthless as credible and reliable sources! --Severino (talk) 13:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Says who? The Jerusalem Post is a leading newspaper & jewish virtual library articles are written by academic experts in the subject. Let's see you bring a better source before you criticize. Until now this article has cited no sources.--Gilabrand (talk) 13:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: sources

message: when looking over this page, the following statements strike me as biased and/or incorrect (as a citizen of Jerusalem for 30 years).
Observed by: Jews, especially Religious-Zionists. This is wrong. Jews in Russia, Spain, or the US do not as a rule observe Jerusalem Day. This is an Israeli inspired holiday to mark the re-unification of Jerusalem -- as a matter of fact, the creation of the holiday was a political move to show the world Israel's soverinty over the city. Not all things Israeli are Jewish or vice versa.
Under HISTORY: the use of the word "liberated" (i.e., Israel liberated the Old City of Jerusalem) should be replaced with the word "conqured" or "captured") as this was a military operation.
It is odd that mention is made of Haredi disagreements with the holiday, but no mention is made of the 34% of the city's population (in 1967 - 74% Jewish, 26% Palestinian, in 2007, 66% Jewish, 34% Palestinian). For those 34%, Jerusalem day is not a festive day, but a day signifying disenfranchisement.
Tgumpel (talk) 14:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The word liberated was used in a direct quotation and thus is only the opinion of the person quoted. If you can find another quotation from an equally eminent source on the other side, by all means add it to this article. You can, of course, make additional edits to the article to reflect the facts you mention, but you should include your sources or I am sure they will be reverted. It is good to hear from you. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  some suggested changes 

message: Removed the Dayan quote. It seems to be referring to the Israeli victory and not to the holiday itself, which is what the article is about. If it is reinserted, it should be accompanied by a quote from the losing side, preferably one made on or around the same date as Dayan and by somebody with equal qualifications. See Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Undue_weight for some possible help here. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 01:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Completley disagree. These are the texts the national day is celebrated with. This IS the israeli story of the tale. You can see there are articles like Al Quds Day. Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Undue_weight has nothing to do with here. Amoruso (talk) 03:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: This sentence "We have united Jerusalem, the divided capital of Israel. We have returned to the holiest of our holy places, never to part from it again" is the point of the whole holiday. Or the reader won't understand what they're celebrating. Amoruso (talk) 03:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: This particular text together with some other texts (poems and Mota Gur's statement about the Temple Mount) makes it understandable what Israel is celebrating. It's been quoted quite often, for example by the PM in the holiday speech: . Thanks, cheers, Amoruso (talk) 03:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dayan quote . . .  

message: Palestinian residents of Jerusalem kept their Jordanian citizenship under Israeli rule until 1988. The Israeli authorities considered them Jordanian citizens and permanent residents of Israel. In 1988 King Hussein of Jordan decided to cut Jordan's relations with the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, in order to allow the PLO to claim this territory without interference. Since 1988 the Jerusalemite Palestinians have no citizenship, and they have to request a lessez-passer from the Israeli authorities when traveling abroad. DrorK (talk) 05:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jordanian citizenship

message: Yom Yerushalayim is basically an Israeli national holiday (a minor holiday, with business as usual). It has religious meaning only among the national religious group, and this group is not the majority of Jews, nor is a majority group even among religious Jews. Therefor I think categorizing this holiday as a religious holiday is redundant. DrorK (talk) 10:14, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It says on wikipedia that the chief rabinate of Israel has declared Yom Yerushalayim a religious holiday. I think that's enough to include it in the category of jewish holy day. It also says people are reciting Hallel in the synagogues and many people in the Diaspora also considers it a holy day. In Sweden where I live there are jews who consider it holy. --Fipplet (talk) 15:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Religious holiday

message: Someone should remove the vandalism.  It wasn't on the "edit this page" link, which is odd.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.134.38 (talk) 00:42, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove the vandalism 

message: This sentence is so POV as to be self-parody: "As soon as the over-armed Zionist military groups started their offensive in 1948 to drive the Palestinian population out..."
I changed it to "During the fighting between Zionist and Arab armed groups in 1948..."Shrikeangel (talk) 23:11, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed POV 

message: "In 2017, the Jubilee Year of Jerusalem day will be celebrated. During the course of the year many events marKing this milestone took place in celebrations of the 50th anniversary of the Liberation of Jerusalem."
--181.91.129.186 (talk) 09:14, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: —  IVORK Discuss 09:27, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 April 2017 

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message: The background section is seriously lacking in NPOV. It presents an exceedingly one-sided portrayal of the events of 1948 and 1967 as fact. Will try to rectify it with material and sources from the relevant articles, but for now tagging for statements like On 15 May 1948, the day after Israel declared its independence, it was attacked by its Arab neighbours. Jordan seized East Jerusalem and the Old City. (without mentioning the prior year of hostilities or that Israel "seized" western Jerusalem) and the entire third paragraph. nableezy - 17:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  background section 

message: this article lacks material on the widely covered racist abuse by Jerusalem Day march participants, euphemistically calling racist attacks by Israelis "violent interactions have been reported between Arabs and Israeli youth during the procession." That needs to be corrected. nableezy - 17:37, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  racism 

message: Hi all,
I don't have XC status, and don't want to have to worry about that not allowing this update. There's a small typo in the overview section. "A notable celebrations that marks the holiday..." should be in the singular ("celebrations").
Thanks, GreenEli (talk) 15:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Fuchsia the Sun (talk) 19:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small typo fix request 

message: Change "Jews" to "Zionists" in sidebar. Conflating Jews with Zionists is antisemitic. Nachowithan.a (talk) 07:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it since it's not covered in the article's body. M.Bitton (talk) 12:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 June 2024