Talk:Léo Delibes

message: The title of this article should be Léo Delibes, not Leo Delibes. Unless anyone objects, I shall make the move tonight. -- Rmrfstar 13:20, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *phew* thats done! Rmrfstar 00:25, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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message: Please see the discussion at the Mozart talk page. (I know you have seen it already as you have been accusing me elsewhere of lying on it.) The consensus there is for no box, and it seems unlikely that there will suddenly be one here. In particular, adding a box that takes the reader out of the article to another page altogether is rude and unhelpful and contradicts the stated function of info-boxes at the instruction page: i-bs are "'at-a-glance", and used for quickly checking facts'". Removing i-b until such time as there is a clear consensus to have one. Tim riley talk 11:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a clarification. The Infobox was not "slipped in last year". One had been in the article since 2012 as  . Last year I simply changed it  to  which is more suitable for classical musicians, if an infobox is to be used. It was not "a haven for pointless factoids" unless you consider dates and places of birth and death, birth name, and occupation to be "pointless factoids" about a person. The Encyclopædia Britannica doesn't have a problem with infoboxes containing such "factoids" . Nor does the Australian Dictionary of Biography .  But by all means, delete it if you're that bothered by its presence. Voceditenore (talk) 14:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah- my mistake on the dates: I misread something, so thank you for correcting me. (And yes, I do think the dates and places are of limited importance. Aside from the fact they are bracketed in the first line of the lead, they don't really convey anything of importance about the individual). Either way, that moot point aside, I thank you for your last sentence, which is most welcome. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 14:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to associate myself with SchroCat's thanks to Voceditenore for such a flexible and collegiate approach. O si sic omnes.. Tim riley talk 21:06, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Returning from a beautiful vacation day. Of course I know the Mozart discussion. (I have not said anybody was lying there.) We (who think an infobox or ibox or info-box is helpful to some readers, who are less able or willing to find something in the well-crafted prose of a lead) are told again and again that the discussion has to be on each individual article, so what we find on Mozart or Beethoven doesn't matter for Delibes. I also won't have to tell experienced editors that when a bold edit - such as removing this infobox - is reverted, a discussion should take place while the article is returned to the state pro-ante. I'll give you time to think about it. The most peaceful way would be to revert to the state with infobox. I am bothered by the removal. I am further bothered by a removal without even indicating in an edit summary that a removal took place. Who wants another infobox discussion? If we look at other composer articles for a model, let's not look at Mozart and Beethoven but . --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Please reduce your standard objection to what might be valid for this particular infobox which was introduced on  by Krenakarore, and improved by Voce on  and seems not to have hindered further editing nor let errors creep in. This is an infobox that respected editors have added long ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In a few succinct words, G Arendt, please explain why the overwhelming consensus chez Mozart that an i-b is a rotten idea for composer life-and-works articles is in any way irrelevant here. Your salami tactics of nagging away at each article, or just sneaking i-b's in without discussion, may have been tolerated by the supremely tolerant BB, but some of his admirers and mentees are less willing to be bullied. As it happens I discussed with BB your efforts on one article – it may have been Grainger – and he shrugged his shoulders and said the fight against the obsessives was not worth the effort. I disagreed, and still do. Tim riley talk 21:29, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  The few succinct words are: life is too short, for any of this. My memory of BB dates from 2013 when he offered the identibox as a way of compromise, in the article and on my talk. My position regarding Mozart didn't change since my last entries there, and I don't see any need for repetition. If you want me to repeat, I'm quite willing to post it again, which I tried to avoid in the name of peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

text:  Back home, a few more words: It's Sunday, I go to church, you don't - that's fine. Some think infoboxes are a rotten idea, others think they add access for some readers - that's fine. I pictured "my perspective" in a 2015 concert, performing Fauré's Cantique de Jean Racine and Requiem. The latter article has no infobox because I respect the preference of a former boy soprano. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As a matter of fact I have been to church, but what that has to do with this discussion I cannot imagine. As you are dragging religion into it, I am reminded of Oliver Cromwell's plea to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland: "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken". It must be nice to know you are right, but even so, please try not to disrespect the consensus. Tim riley talk 15:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Going to church? Is that a new bar to editing? - SchroCat (talk) 16:49, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am sorry if the image I used was unclear. I find that infobox yes or no is like a religion, and debating about it makes little sense, and I am not going to be a missionary nor a martyr of the infobox. I see the word consensus abused sometimes. What I respect is the gentle voice of reason of Voceditenore. Please don't revert her again. She may not mind, generous as she is, but I do. Yesterday, I worked - with Yoninah - on Psalm 85, with the famous kiss of Justice and Peace. A good goal even if - as I just learned - it may be a misunderstanding of the Hebrew. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: A religion? Well, that explains the fundamentalism shown by some, but no, it's not like a religion. It's a piece of formatting in the corner of the page. Sometimes beneficial, sometimes not. - SchroCat (talk) 10:37, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  As said just above: I respect Voceditenorer, - . Can we agree that Delibes is an opera-related biography? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we can all agree that only one person is pushing the point again and again here. I thought peace had broken out after there were no further comments on 16th, but you came back to the yawning silence on the 19th to push it again. There really is no further point in continuing this: you even push back against no responses, so I'll leave you to continue to talk in an empty room. The IB is not on the page, several people have given resons for not having one, Voceditenore has said to people "But by all means, delete it if you're that bothered by its presence", which leaves just one person pushing the point, so I'll leave this discussion, rather than go round in circles yet again. - SchroCat (talk) 11:13, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Nice to threaten someone with ArbCom when you know they are under a restiction of one comment only. So much for justice or peace - or even decency. - SchroCat (talk) 10:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  How come you think clarification is a threat? I strike it anyway, and hope that you simply understand that good-faith edits of years ago deserve better treatment than vandalism. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Another Ahrend distortion of the truth: with the edit summary "additional info and refs; rem uncited and duplicate material" this "vandalism" consisted of flagrantly and wilfully expanding the article from 585 words to 2,317. Give your obsession a rest, please and do something useful instead. You used to contribute good material in the days when you were a colleaguely colleague, and I hope you can revert to that. Tim riley talk 12:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I thank you for expanding the article. I didn't say you left no edit summary, I said you didn't mention that you removed the ibox. - My article creations are rather open, and I like collaboration. We used to have three calm years regarding infoboxes. May it stay that way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
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