Talk:João Gilberto

message: on Astrude Gilberto's page Bebel is mentioned as her daughter.  This page lists Miucha as her mother.  Why the discrepancy?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.225.102 (talk) 19:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * Bebel's mother is Miucha (João's second wife and sister of Chico Buarque de Holanda). Source: Ruy Castro's "Chega de Saudade" book (), of which I have a hard copy. I'll fix Astrud's page, thanks for pointing it out. Fbergo (talk) 01:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * I couln't find any reference to Bebel on Astrud Gilberto's english wikipedia article. If this error is present somewhere, please point it out (or fix it on your own). Thanks. Fbergo (talk) 01:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Bebel's Mother? 

message: I don't know the problem you have with the link www.bossanovamusic.net. Yes it is a website made by me but if you had made the effort to navigate on it you'd had found a slideshow with audio about the Bossa Nova, made by myself, plant of photos of João Gilberto and about his career in the Bossa Nova movement, a siledeshow that exists only on my website and is very informative. I am musician, brazilian, I know what I'm talking about and I don't care about search engines!
:* Sites like yours are considered link spam, since Wikipedia is a powerful traffic magnet, and are removed from articles quickly. Besides, your site is completely based on Flash, therefore is considered a "link to be avoided" as per Wikipedia:External_links, item 8 in the Links normally to be avoided section. Please do not add your site to the links sections of Wikipedia articles (they will be removed). Also, remember to sign your posts to talk pages, with four tildes. -- Fbergo 17:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  www.bossanovamusic.net 

message: Could someone please add the IPA pronunciation of his name? Chubbles 01:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be helpful.  Does anyone know how to add the pronunciation code?Komowkwa (talk) 01:42, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Sorry but I have to put showbras yes, after 25 years were working, I'm not selling anything, just giving truthful information. The site provides information of showbras always been, that's where we find the best information, it is true. would be like trying to erase the history of the beatles the name of your business, why? Where? What crime?
Call your review on the issue and how there are no lies or false interest I think is the correct entry.--Gil Lopes (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You may not promote your agency on Wikipedia. Period. --jpgordon::==( o ) 23:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Joao Gilberto and Showbras

message: "...Moulded into a professional act by manager Brian Epstein, their musical potential was enhanced by the creativity of producer George Martin. They gained popularity in the United Kingdom after their first single..." wikipedia-The Beatles
Please check this, taken from the entry The Beatles. It is evident that the artwork in a contemporary setting has intermediation and management much importance and consideration. In the case of Joao Gilberto is no different because in 50-year career, 25 years were managed by ShowBras. So why we should not and can quote it in the encyclopedia entry. It is fair, legitimate, and is used naturally in other artists and conditions, as I remember above. I appreciate your review of the matter.--Gil Lopes (talk) 15:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You may not promote your company on Wikipedia. The most you can do is bring this up on the article's talk page, identify yourself as being part of the company, and provide reliable sources for the information you want to include. Please read our conflict of interest policies to understand; it's not that we don't believe you, it's that every publicist in the world wants to use Wikipedia as a marketing platform, and it flies in the face of being a reliable, neutral source of information. (Is Mr. Gilberto ever going to be able to tour again? I was lucky enough to hear him in San Francisco a few years ago, and it was the best concert I've ever attended.) --jpgordon::==( o ) 15:16, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

text: What we really need is independent press reports (or books, or magazine articles, not press releases, but independent stories) talking about the relationship between Joao and Showbras, just as there is a wealth of third-party information about George Martin's relationship with the Beatles. --jpgordon::==( o ) 18:06, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

text: don't edit articles the way you have when your conflict of interest is this blatant)
There is not any conflict, i don't use what is not permited.--Gil Lopes (talk) 19:49, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

text: You should take these to the article talk page. However, you won't get very far; those are not independent sources. We need third party sources, not promotional material from showbras.com.br. --jpgordon::==( o ) 20:24, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

text: How can there not be a conflict of interest? As far as I can tell, you and Carmela are Showbras, and you are pushing hard to get information about showbras included in Wikipedia without support from third party sources. --jpgordon::==( o ) 20:30, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

text: You must address this on the article talk page. I've also put up a notice about this on the conflict of interest noticeboard; perhaps someone could explain better than me. --jpgordon::==( o ) 20:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Easy. Follow the 375 citations at The Beatles. More precisely, follow the 150 citations at Brian Epstein. --jpgordon::==( o ) 18:47, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

text: I'm sure that's the case -- and we can only use that in Wikipedia if we have reliable third-party sources to draw upon. --jpgordon::==( o ) 07:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Are you saying there is no third-party press or other media coverage of the important relationship between your agency and Mr. Gilberto? Such coverage would make this whole issue vanish as it should. Point me to a newspaper article, a magazine article, anything that's not a press release or marketing material; we need reliable verifiable sources that will allow any reader to follow the links and see that we're getting the information from an accurate, hopefully objective source. It would be as simple as, say, a paragraph in Jornal do Brasil mentioning the relationship. --jpgordon::==( o ) 16:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

text: It might be if it was written in tolerable English, and if you didn't continue to promote your own company; I'm afraid most of it will need to be completely re-written. --jpgordon::==( o ) 15:34, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not being allowed at pt:João Gilberto for the same reason we can't allow it here. You must resolve the conflict of interest issue before you continue with this. --jpgordon::==( o ) 19:02, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Head over to WP:Dispute resolution. --jpgordon::==( o ) 01:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, now it's just vandalism.--jpgordon::==( o ) 15:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: About Joao Gilberto management by ShowBras

message: That's is the text in GOOD English and Real Information:
25 years ( 1984-2008)
Starting with the concert at the Coliseu dos Recreios in Lisbon in June 1984 celebrating his 25-year career until his last tour in 2008 celebrating 50 years of Bossa Nova, João Gilberto was managed by Showbras[2]. In 1986, the heyday of rock Brazil, João made his first soundtrack recording for a television soap opera, the Brazilian hit of the moment "Call Me" (by Lobao). After releasing the album "Live in Montreux" in 1989, João was nominated for a Grammy for the Best Jazz Male Vocal Performance. In 1990, João joined Maria Bethania (Caetano Veloso's sister) on her album [celebrating her 25 years career]. His album "João" was released the following year, accompanied by an appearance at a national TV advert for “Brahma” beer. It was one of the first adverts to feature a major recording artist and encouraged other artists to appear in advertising campaigns. The same year saw the release of the TV series "João and Antonio" narrated by Caetano Veloso and directed by Walter Moreira Salles. The "Number One" tour [1991] marked the reunion of João and Tom Jobim on stage after more than 30 years. The concert was recorded for a TV special and distributed by VideoFilmes in several countries, including the BBC in Great Britain. "Sampa" is the only music video by João Gilberto which was directed by Brazilian filmmaker Ricardo Van Steen. In 1993, João performed at the reopening of the Teatro Castro Alves in Salvador, Bahia accompanied by Maria Bethania and Gal Costa. He also performed at the first Miami Jazz Festival held at the Jack Gleason Theater the same year. In 1994, during a live performance in Sao Paulo, a TV special was recorded to celebrate the anniversary of the Brazilian TV channel TV Cultura. The recording of the performance was released by Sony under the title "I Know That I Love You." At the Avery Fisher Hall in New York in 1995, João performed at a concert dedicated to Antonio Carlos Jobim (1927-1994)[5], involving other well-known artists such as Sting, Herbie Hancock and Astrud Gilberto. In 2001, he won a Grammy (Best World Music Album) for "João Voice and Guitar". In 2003, João performed for the first time in Japan, at Forum in Tokyo. João returned to Forum twice and recorded a live album. In June 2005, João Gilberto featured in a TV advert for Companhia Vale do Rio Doce. The advert was filmed in Rio de Janeiro and the song ends with the words "the best of Brazil is the Brazilian people." The advert was only shown on TV in October 2008 and a year later it was re-released. In 2008, João signed his biggest contract in celebration of his 50 year career, with the sponsorship of a bank[6].  Over the 25 years João Gilberto made appearances in the US, Europe and Brazil, recorded four studio albums, two live albums and featured in three Brazilian national TV advertising campaigns.
--189.60.189.35 (talk) 16:19, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is doing Vandalism????? 

message: why last edits were removed ? As a Brazilian and that have followed João's life for many years, it is not understandable why latest edits were removed. The last 25 years of João's life are considered the most important ones. And it is a FACT that they were managed by a company called Showbras. It is like trying to wipe out that kind of entry from the page of The Beatles. Example "professional act by manager Brian Epstein" with a link to Brian's page. also,  "The Beatles' first recording session under Martin's direction took place at EMI's Abbey Road Studios in London on 6 June 1962" with a link to Abbey Road Studios. Are we also promoting them ? I kindly request page to be unprotected and correct info reposted to the entry. Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lfcohen (talk • contribs) 18:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's conflict of interest policies; those edits I removed were made by a principle of Showbras, and it's simply not acceptable to write about your own organization in that fashion. It doesn't help that you're making exactly the same argument that Gil Lopes was making. --jpgordon::==( o ) 00:51, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

text: I've fully protected the article until this is settled, here on the talk page. The article is being made worse and worse by you. --jpgordon::==( o ) 04:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits removed ?????

message: 1-The definition of "too close" in this context is governed by common sense. An article about a little-known band should preferably not be written by the band's manager or a band member's spouse, and a biography should preferably not be written by the subject's spouse, parent, or offspring. However, an expert on a given subject is welcome to contribute to articles on that subject, even if that editor is deeply committed to the subject.
2- It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply
3-Do not write about these things unless you are certain that a neutral editor would agree that your edits improve Wikipedia.
4-Conflict of interest is not a reason to delete an article, though other problems with the article arising from a conflict of interest may be valid criteria for deletion.--189.60.189.35 (talk) 02:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: From COI WP

message: In an attempt to include the information and only the information concerning the presence of Joao in Japan, I cut any REFERENCE which could refer to another text, whatever. Only the facts are disclosed. I hope it is finally possible to circulate the information without any doubt about copyright since it is not a copy but a simple narrative about what happened, as indeed is expected of an encyclopedia, free.--Gill 08:14, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Joao in Japan, the saga

message: Dear Mr.JpGordon
I was unfamiliar with the text you showed me. But what is important is the following, which makes this text authorial if it only reports an event. What I published is similar but not the same and only reports the information. The dates, where are the dates? Why cut them? What about information, almost a fact sheet, keep it as being copy is to act with absolutely maliciously, you sorry but again I notice that your intention to censor and prevent the flow of information is higher and is that mobilizes unfortunately.
I published the dates of the events narrated and so absolutely unprecedented succession of facts without any adjectives that characterize a authored text. Frankly, it is inadmissible as a performance impregnated intolerance like yours. That everything will be in the annals the fight for freedom of information against this obscure behavior. I do not accept your arguments, which are unfair and without technical qualification, there is no copyright being injured.--Gill 08:03, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are simply wrong. Here is what you inserted in the article: Remarkably, this was the first time he had ever performed in that country. The shows were recorded from the sound boards on to DAT tapes for reference only, but Gilberto was so pleased with both the quality of the sound and his performance that he decided to release one of these landmark concert on CD. In Tokyo spotlights the September 12, 2003 performance at the Tokyo International Forum Hall. Joao returned in 2004 and again in November 2006. Here is the text from jazzreview.com:  Remarkably, this was the first time he had ever performed in that country. The shows were recorded from the sound boards on to digital audio tapes for reference only, but Gilberto was so pleased with both the quality of the sound and his performance that he decided to release one of these landmark concerts on CD. In Tokyo spotlights the Sept. 12, 2003, performance at the Tokyo International Forum Hall. Oh, here's another thing it says on jazzreview.com: 1997 - 2012 © jazzreview.com. We take copyright very seriously here, and your complaints about "freedom of information" do not trump Wikipedia's copyright policies. Perhaps you didn't read underneath the edit box where it says, quite clearly, quite unambiguously, Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted. I promise you, though, if you do this again your editing privileges will be revoked. --jpgordon::==( o ) 14:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

text: The similarity between the texts is due only the quality of what they refer. What nonsense. The similarity between the texts is because one is copied directly from the other. No, at this point, I suggest you ask someone for assistance over at the Portuguese language talk page for Gilberto, since as far as I can tell, you are unable to understand what multiple people are telling you here on the English Wikipedia. Perhaps some experienced user there will be able to help you understand the difficulties you keep running into. --jpgordon::==( o ) 17:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: No, there is not any Copyright violations

message: Dear Mr. JpGordon
This is an event that should be narrated in the same manner as is the fact. That is the sentence and it is not nonsense. Observe:
# This was the first time he had ever performed in that country. 
# The shows were recorded from the sound boards on to digital audio tapes for reference only
# Gilberto was so pleased with both the quality of the sound and his performance 
# In Tokyo spotlights the September 12, 2003 performance at the Tokyo International Forum Hall
What is these sentences? do you think someone may have copyright on these sentences? you attribute character to copy these sentences? are you being serious? you are being fair? Therefore it is absolutely legitimate for me to receive your contributions, and your colleagues from Wikipedia, as an expression of a particular New Censorship.--Gill 08:53, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The real thing

message: :I feel like we've discussed this before; maybe it was with one of the IP editors though. Propose specific, concrete changes on the article talk page which follow our policies and guidelines (I left a list of applicable policies and guidelines on the article talk page a week or two ago). Don't write long paragraphs on the talk page about the horrible unfair censorship on Wikipedia, because when I see that, frankly, I tune out anything else you say, and I suspect most people are similar. Instead, propose actual changes to the article. Try to get consensus for the changes, which means other people besides those associated with Showbras need to agree. If you cannot get consensus, follow the steps in WP:dispute resolution, including a third opinion, a request at The Music Wikiproject for more editors to comment, or a Request for comment. If you still don't get consensus, then stop trying to make that change. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:53, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would you ask me a question about improving the article if you didn't care what my answer was? That is most clearly not what I suggested; indeed, it is the same behavior that led to the page being protected from editing in the past. It is finally, slowly dawning on me that none of you are confused, none of you are asking honest questions, none of you are looking for help... you're just dishonestly trying to get your own way by exhausting good faith editors. If you continue this behavior, I will be forced to fully protect the page for a year, to force you and your IP friends/employees/coworkers/sockpuppets/whatever to propose changes on the talk page first. I do not think there is a point to your posting anything on my talk page anymore. I won't spend time answering dishonest questions. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: How can we improve Joao Gilberto?

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Should not this article say that he was known as the father of bossa nova music? Vorbee (talk) 08:05, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The usual grand claim but if there's a reputable source for it (preferably not some pulp press! or the usual fawning posthumous bio, an expert publication, perhaps), make the edit.  On a cursory reading, it seems there may be contestants or at least this was a confusing mix of DNA making paternity hard to really pin down. sirlanz 08:14, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Father of bossa nova

message: In the section Carlos Lyra and Roberto Menescal the text reads:
"In August of that year, Gilberto released a 78 rpm record containing "Chega de Saudade" and "Bim Bom", recorded at Odeon, with collaborations from Jobim, Dorival Caymmi and Aloysio de Oliveira. This album inaugurated the "bossa nova" genre and soon became a commercial success. Gilberto's recording had arrangements by Jobim and the participation of Milton Banana, among other artists." 
At first it refers to "a 78 rpm [sic] record", which is a single, one song each side; then it claims the single had collaborations from three other songwriters and refers to an "album" that the text hasn't introduced. 192.34.130.239 (talk) 15:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discontinuity needs fix