Template talk:Correct title

message: For correct usage of this template, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions). -- Netoholic 15:09, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct usage 

message: * I support this template because it can be used to create hundred of redirects as soon as :en: changes from Latin-1 to UTF-8. Gangleri | [ Th] | T 18:14, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
* I support this template because I think that pointing out a slight deficiency in the MediaWiki software that Wikipedia runs on is an acceptable compromise to avoid people gaining more doubt for the accuracy of Wikipedia due to what they perceive to be an inaccuracy on the part of the authors. Keep in mind that most Wikipedia users will not bother to try and correct a problem in the title (and then receive the proposed error message by SimonP (read above), and will simply be unsatisfied with the quality of the encyclopaedia if they even notice the wrong title in the first place. splintax (talk)  07:09, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support for this template 

message: In an unrelated question are all of the page that have this template really in need of it? According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions) "*", "$", and "@" are permissible characters.  Can M A S H thus be moved to M*A*S*H, Deal dollar store to Deal$, and SETI at home to SETI@home? - SimonP 23:18, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
:I don't know.  You could try it and see.  It's quite possible that the documentation doesn't match the true state of the software.  This part of the discussion should probably be taken to Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions (technical restrictions).  —AlanBarrett 15:39, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved Deal dollar store to Deal$ and the wiki seems not to have collapsed. - SimonP 15:54, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)
As far I am I aware this is not a technical limitation, but a choice or "feature", that is, we have chosen to capitalize the first letter in titles because it will almost always be correct. I am not sure, but I think I could do without such a feature.--Dittaeva 21:47, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: Yep, this is a conscious decision (a setting in MediaWiki). It mainly causes trouble for free software packages like bzip2. --Twinxor 05:34, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: I don't see how it being intentional makes it any less of a technical restriction, even if it's an option in MediaWiki.  It's not as though we could turn it off at this point!  —SamB (talk) 18:14, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are the technical restrictions really? 

message: On some pages, the appearance of The title given to this article is incorrect might look too much like an "this page is in error" to some people, when all that is wrong is capitalisation of the URL.
Might some pages not benefit from a template of the form:  Note that the Wikipedia software miscapitalises this name, which is normally written as ...
Ojw 21:52, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This subject is brought up later on this page, and the Template:Lowercase has been created for this purpose. splintax (talk)  07:13, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

text: There is a consensus against this, as 99% of articles start with a capital letter.  See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Configuration_related_limitations and Wikipedia:Naming conventions --michael180 16:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisations 

message: See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#charset_issues. --Joy [shallot] 22:40, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  charset issues 

message: * Halló! I am inserting Template:Wrongtitle or Template:Wrongtitlecat at all titles ralated to Romania and its culture where the UTF-8 chacarcters ĂŞŢăşţ and the Latin-1 characters ÂÎâî are in location or in person names. Please stop me or advise me if necessary. Thanks! Best regards Gangleri administrator at :ro: and :eo: 18:38, 2005 Mar 4 (UTC)
::ÂÎâî needn't be removed from article titles. --Marnen Laibow-Koser (talk) 20:56, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct use of the templates 

message: I have lately been in something of an edit war over the use of this template on the True Catholic Church article.I commented on that article's talk page months ago that this was not an appropriate use of the template,and after a prolonged period of no one responding to my arguments I replaced the template with a more detailed statement.User:Jtdirl reverted to the template and posted on my own talk page a defense of its use;after I responded on his page with an explanation of the NPOV issues raised in this instance he deleted his defense of his revert to the template from my talk page,which I took to mean he no longer stood behind that argument.So I reverted to my explanatory note.Someone else then went back to the template with a comment "rv vandalism",I responded to that reverting again,and User:Jonathunder then went back to the template again.
Essentially,the issue here is that the organization in question wants to be called the "true Catholic Church" with a lowercase T on the "true",and it is crystal clear that the purpose of preferring this usage is to demand that reference to them,by anyone,appear to use "true" as descriptive rather than as part of the specification of them as a distinct organization.A work that seeks NPOV can not regard a usage whose sole purpose is to prevent any appearance of NPOV as "the correct" title.If the technical limitations did not exist,the NPOV issue would still argue against using that as the article title.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/12.144.5.2 17:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect example of why this thing is ridiculous. -SV|t 20:54, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it isn't — and placing a "tfdss" tag on this template (without bothering to actually place the Template on "TfD") is unwarranted. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 21:12, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: True Catholic Church

message: People keep arguing that the template is eminently useful, but its main use appears to be for trivial issues of initial capitalization. I suggest to split use of the template up into subtemplates specific to unixlowercase, mathtitle, namelowercase, and nodiacritics. Each can then be judged on their own merits. In my opinion both unix and companyname are trivial (though not equally so), diacritics as expressing a bias toward Roman-alphabet systems, and math as easily explainable and therefore not requiring a notice. The concern that there should be some tagging for imminent transition doesnt deal with the fact that the template is overused for the rather trivial issue of capitalization —its MediaWiki internals and not encyclopedically relevant. -SV|t 09:43, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's say for the sake of argument that the template is often used for trivial matters of initial capitalisation.  Can you explain, first, why that matters, secondly, against what standard you're measuring its use in order to judge that it's overused, and thirdly, why such a supposedly trivial matter is worth all this time and effort? Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 10:59, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? Because triviality here represents process creep into the content of articles as they are viewed on Wikipedia. The presence of other templates is likewise an abberation and should be limited to unobstructive notices, not excessive permanent fixtures on articles. IMHO these detract from the reading experience of Wikipedia, and validates the notion that Wikipedia itself is not a valid source, but just a content dump for drafts. -SV|t 23:10, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limit trivial uses - New Subtemplates 

message: Why has this been changed to WP:TS?  The guideline is for templates in the talk namespace, this template goes at the top of main namespace articles, and IMO looks appauling in this style. Joe D (t) 16:42, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Design

message: Heyas, I looked at the template conventions and most of them don't seem to have bold throughout so I've modified this template only to bold the new title (which draws attention to it nicely, which is the whole point of the template).  If this is bad, revert and explain on talk. -SocratesJedi | Talk 16:49, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, Joe D is correct.  WP:TS is for talk pages.  Backing off. -SocratesJedi | Talk 16:51, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bolding 

message: We now have , which can be used instead of this. In pre-CSS browsers, it seems to just put the "correct" title after "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.", keeping the "wrong" one above. --SPUI (talk) 17:50, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|title}}

message: I'm not sure that it would be called a Wikipedia policy to capitalize the first letter of each article. It was my understanding that that was a mediawiki limitation/feature—Trevor Caira 17:04, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think in MediaWiki 1.5 you can allow lower case article names, but it seems unnecessarily cumbersome to me to be as wordy as the template currently is.  Capitalisation can be seen as a self-imposed technical limitation if you like. Worldtraveller 17:22, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Given it is discussed at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions) anyway, that is fair enough.  Ed Poor started it :)  -- ALoan (Talk) 18:37, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policy? 

message: I just discovered , which is a specialized version of  (much like  was). --cesarb 17:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:lowercase]] 

message: I don't really like the fact that the italics extends to the correct title. I'm about to stop the italics immediately before. If someone minds, they can change it back, but the fact is, it's especially difficult to read the title on NaKATPase if the correct title is italicized. --D. F. Schmidt (talk) 13:19, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks better without those italics. Urhixidur 14:50, 2005 August 20 (UTC)
I thought I wasn't the only one to think so. By the way, I don't honestly know how I came upon that article. Haha. -- D. F. Schmidt (talk) 15:59, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italics 

message: A recent change to this template made it say
: The correct title is 
Apparently this strange-looking syntax means you can now write  as well as .  The only problem is that you now can't have '=' in the correct title.  None of the following works:
* 
* :
* :
The only way I've found to fix this problem is to use .  Is there any way to fix this template to avoid the issue?  (Fortunately, there are only two pages with = in their title that use this template: 2 + 2 = 5 and 1+1=2.)  dbenbenn | talk 17:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template broken for titles with = 

message: I fixed at least the main title problem with:

  

Anyone oppose? If not, I think some rewording might be necessary. -- WB 04:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like few pages (e.g. 2+2=5) is a problem because they didn't have a title=. However, besides that, it's working woderfully. For example, Led Zeppelin IV article actually displays symbols now! -- WB 04:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Bit of a problem with Lp space too... -- WB 04:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Comment Can cause a problem for articles with long titles.  If the correct title only takes one line at the user's choice of screen and font size, while the incorrect title takes two, the second line of the incorrect title shows up below the correct title.  Also might cause problems for people using screen readers or other adaptive technologies, since it's a visual only kludge. What really ought to be done is adjust the MeidaWiki software so that if an article begins with "=Some Text=" it gets "Some Text" displayed as the article of the title.  You'd still need to kludge the equals sign, but that would make incompatible titles into a linking problem only.  Caerwine 22:27, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I've removed the addition (here, and for ) as it causes display errors when browsing with non-Monobook skins. Talrias (t | e | c) 01:08, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We had a similar problem on Uncyclopedia with Uncyclopedia:Template:Title-left (and -right, -middle). I would have preferred to remove the templates, but they have proven too popular, so I put in some workarounds to prevent the two most common display errors:  prevents any display if there is a sitenotice up (which causes a gross offset bug). id="titlehack" style="display:none" in the div prevents display by default, and an edit to MediaWiki:Monobook.css allows it to display only on the default skin. This does not however fix the wrapping bug. I am not suggesting the use of this system on wikipedia, just advising that it would be possible. --Splarka (rant) 23:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fix 

message: Do not cause cross-namespace references.  The technical reasons are Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Lower case first letter but you should not cause  cross-namespace references are the page will appear on Special:CrossNamespaceLinks
: What's wrong with that? It's useful to have the link. Talrias (t | e | c) 19:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  techincal reasons 

message: What exactly do we anticipate the category being used for? This is a meta-category and should properly be on the talk page, if a category is needed at all. But I would think what links here would be just as good. Christopher Parham (talk) 23:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category

message: Has anyone else noticed that the French Wikipedia have developed a workaround for title-problems. The template fr:Modèle:Titre incorrect, when added with a name, overwrites the name displayed at the top, but preserves where it is located. I'm not sure if it was said above in this discussion, I think it was (and it was said it doesn't work with non-MonoBook) but that has also been solved on FR as when you switch to a non MonoBook skin, it shows a notice about the title instead. Should we use the code? It does work with some other skins, but the ones it doesn't it displays a message similar to what we currently use for all wrong titles. (for an example of it in use, see fr:T.A.T.u., and if you have an account on FR, change the skins). But actually, looking at the code, I'm not sure if the way it works is solely to do with the template. Is it? I think maybe there's more to it? But regardless of how it's done, could we replicate it? The Italian template does it too, but the code is much longer. I have copied the Italian template to User:RedHotHeat/title where you can test it with . But if you use it on a skin that it doesn't work on, it just shows the original title (not even a notice), but I'm sure a replication of the French one is possible. I just copied the Italian because I'm sure all the code needed for it to work is in it already. - Рэдхот 13:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Workaround (might have been discussed before) 

message: Attempting to use this for En produces
:The correct title of this article is En. It appears incorrectly here because of technical restrictions.
This bug can be worked around, and the glitch appears to be the interaction of italics and subscripts; but unless this can be fixed (preferably without involving  developers) ther should be a note. Septentrionalis 02:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Subscripts

message: This is a bug that needs to be fixed, instead of worked around with kludgy, ugly, unprofessional templates.  There is apparently a partial fix already, the  magic word, that would allow titles to be rewritten, but it either doesn't work or is being ignored because Brion doesn't like it.  Not sure.  More bug votes and visible discussion would help give it the attention it needs.
If the only thing stopping it is the concept that "Keeping titles and link names the same is a key part of the wiki system", we can easily create rules for its use, like limiting what it can modify to only special characters, subscripts and the like (pretty much anything in :Category:Articles with unsupported titles).  So you could use  to make EBay display its title as eBay, or  to make SN2 reaction display as SN2 reaction, but you couldn't, for instance, use  in the Light bulb article; either making the software ignore it or, more likely, depending on editors to revert anything that didn't follow the rules, which would probably go in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. — Omegatron 00:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would definitely have to be limited. It's critical that it always be possible to take the displayed title of a page and use it to make a valid link. In particular, if a user can't use his/her browser to copy the title off one page and paste it into an edit box on another, the wiki is broken. This could work for lowercase initial capitals and sub/superscripts, but not for most other "technical restrictions" cases. It might be simplest to restrict it to lowercase initial letters only.--Srleffler 04:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a "link to this page with x" under the correctly-formatted title, if I understand correctly. — Omegatron 13:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a bug that can be fixed 

message: We, the Wookieepedians over at the Star Wars wiki have our own version of this template. but in ours it actually changes the articles name. For example, the article about the Force os: "The Force", but thanks to our version of the template it comes up as "the Force". This could help on wikipedia, for articles such as IPod! With this new version of the template the article would look like its namer "iPod". Anybody want me to bring the coding over here? Jasca Ducato 09:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it a CSS or javascript kludge? — Omegatron 16:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a kludge. It's a CSS. I can provide a link if requested. Jasca Ducato 14:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Someone already suggested the CSS and it was rejected.  It's not a good solution. — Omegatron 14:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  think it's a CSS anyways. You'd have to ask the person who made it over at Wokkieepedia. Jasca Ducato 14:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Template

message: Something is wrong with this template. For example,  seems to change the article name and the <title> tag while removing itself from the page. The two templates have very similar code, but  doesn't remove itself from the page. Anyone know what's wrong? I'm certainly stumped. --Ixfd64 02:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what's wrong with this template? 

message: Hi, just a quick note: I've just removed the category per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 June 25. --S up? 19:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category removed 

message: I would like to add ... tags around the  tag as I have done to all the other "wrong title" templates, so the page's name displays correctly in the browser window. –Dream out loud (talk) 16:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this a good idea? The template changes the page's title to its first parameter, so displaying Template: as the page's name in the title is a good demonstration of the use of the template. Template description pages normally show a demo of the page's use. --ais523 17:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is true, but it may confuse some users when they see Template: in their browser.  Obviously, experienced users like us understand what it means, but others may not. –Dream out loud (talk) 22:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: I just tweaked this template to use the DISPLAYTITLE magic word instead of JavaScript whenever possible. This will let nontechnical users just use Template:Wrongtitle and let the software figure out the most appropriate way to fix the title. —Remember the dot (talk) 18:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How does the magic word work? I tried it on my sandbox page and there is no effect. SharkD (talk) 18:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't just change the page title to say anything you want. You can only make minor tweaks to the title like capitalization and formatting. A user must be able to copy and paste the displayed title and have it be a valid link to the displayed article. —Remember the dot (talk) 03:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  DISPLAYTITLE vs. JavaScript 

message: One of the examples in the template documentation is eBay/EBay, however the article itself does not have the template, nor is the capitalization done incorrectly -- thanks to the  template.  Yes, the URL itself begins with a capital letter, but the template doesn't refer to URL names, does it?  Is this example a remnant of a technical limitation that has been corrected?  If so, it should probably be removed. Me Three (talk to me) 20:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The example of [[EBay]] 

message: The missing term has been replaced or omitted. It has not been substituted. 65.123.43.130 (talk) 18:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true. It should be changed. --Jtle515 (talk) 22:03, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Substitution" is wrong 

message: Please see Template_talk:Title --.rhavin;) (talk) 11:09, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>{{title}} vs. {{correct title}}</nowiki> 

message: Proposal: Change because of to due to* (*except in the generated text "It appears incorrectly here because of . . ."). I'm aware that due to has crept into all sorts of sentences in which it doesn't modify a noun. Normally, the "error" one sees is the overuse of due to in such situations, where it doesn't make a very clear link between two clauses, and usually because of or for or another conjunction or phrase is better. This is a rare case of the reverse error: Due to actually works better here, as it directly modifies a noun—the singular subject "substitution or omission." Because of is somewhat out of place here; because connects a phrase (e.g., "he did this" or "this occurred") with a reason. Here, due to is perfect: It's an adjectival phrase that modifies a noun. How do I change this (assuming there's no opposition or we achieve consensus)? Thanks. Holy (talk) 17:09, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording II: ''because of'' vs. ''due to'' 

message: The wording produced by this template ("the substitution or omission of ...") is quite confusing for lay readers. Its best if we correctly identify if we substituted or omitted the offending character. One option would be to manually fill in the |edit= param (which if present replaces the text "substitution or omission") using AWB or somethin. Or add some parser function logic to automate it from here itself. 
I surveyed a good number of pages using this template and noticed that for 99% of cases where the problem is with the # or | characters, there is a simple formula to find out if we omitted the character or substituted it: if the length of stored page name (stripped of any parenthetical disambiguation terms) is 1 less than the length of the correct title supplied to the template, its an omission, otherwise it's a substitution. This checks out correctly for the vast majority of cases. Where it doesn't, its easy enough to manually provide the |edit= param which will override the automated wording selection. SD0001 (talk) 16:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added in some logic for case of brackets too. If correct title length is 2 more than stored title, it's an omission, if they are equal, it was a substitution. If the difference is neither 2 or 0, the default wording is retained. SD0001 (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi, can you edit this template so that we have the option to manually choose between substituted or omitted (example substituted=yes / omitted=yes or s=y / o=y) because the automated wording selection is not working sometimes (example BABO). Thanks. --Hddty. (talk) 03:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  The option is already there: use |edit=substitution or |edit=omission . I just added it at BABO. SD0001 (talk) 04:33, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding some logic 

message: This should probably include handling of the userscores in the title.  E.g., lm_sensors is a very popular GNU/Linux utility that traditionally has an underscore in its name. MureninC (talk) 23:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  handling underscore 

message: As evidenced by some 16-year-old talkpage comments above, italics in the correct title presented in bold by this template might be undesirable and could potentially confuse readers, e.g. if italics are semantically relevant. I've thus WP:BOLDly removed italicization from the bolded text to address this (diff) – feel free to revert if things go horribly wrong or if it's a terrible idea. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 01:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This appears to have gone wrong, not horribly as far as I can tell, but almost definitely wrong. Pages including &sol now have misnested italics, which can be seen using LintHint applied to the content of that page pasted into Special:ExpandTemplates. Some of the affected redirect pages are currently listed here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no response here, I have reverted this edit to fix these errors. Please experiment in the sandbox. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:19, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italicization