Talk:Australian ufology

message: *Some editor can have multi post. List only reflect their first edit. TimMU 10:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Editors Log 

message: This is a letter from the net on his so call above claim?
Bill Chalker
I have been associated with UFO Research (NSW) since 1977 when I helped form it from the UFO Investigation Centre (UFOIC). During the latter part of the 1980s & up to now I have kept it going as its director on an intentionally low profile and informal networking basis, mainly because of the lack of keen workers and my distaste for UFO group politics.
During that time I have preferred to network my group and my own research findings through other wider networking facilities such as the Australian Centre for UFO Studies (ACUFOS) and UFORA, rather than publish my own newsletter.
I found this to be a good working arrangement and a great deal of useful information was circulated this way.
Unfortunately UFO politics have taken a rather negative turn lately with a new style of ACUFOS which seems to prefer to promote the claims of Bieleck, Lear, Cooper etc. I have made my views clear to the current ACUFOS management (Martin Gottschall) and have completely dissociated myself from its activities.
Perhaps related to this, the new ACUFOS set about trying to get a UFO group (of its persausion) going in New South Wales (NSW). Although I do not agree with much of what the new ACUFOS and UFO Research (Queensland) are doing, this is a democracy and new breakthroughs are possible through all sorts of avenues, no matter how bizarre. So I was not concerned about a new group in NSW - plenty of room for that.
However I did not expect this new group, which had its inargural meeting in November, 1991, to Bold texttake my group name! This is what they have done and they have registered it as a business name, something I found unnecessary to do since 1977! This leaves me with not much room to move re group names. A name change has been forced on my informal NSW network group.
This message is designed to alert you to these confusing and rather disappointing developments. As of November, 1991, my UFO Research (NSW) group (formerly known as UFOIC), will be known as the UFO Investigation Centre (UFOIC), the ORIGINAL UFO RESEARCH (NSW).
Please understand that I have nothing what so ever to do with the new UFO Research (NSW).
My UFOR(NSW) activities span 1977 to 1991 and my UFOIC involvement goes back to 1969. UFOIC itself goes back to 1955, when it was reformed from theoriginal Australian group AFSB then run by Edgar Jarrold.
Some of the principles of the NEW UFO Research (NSW) group are Bryan Dickeson, Moira McGhee and Paul Sowiak-Rudej. I repeat I have no connect with this group and they have no connection with my UFOR(NSW) (1977-91) activities, other than brief and limited involvement from some of their members. They did not maintain any involvement since the early 80s.
I should point out that my group has close ties with the national network UFORA.
I can be contacted via this folder, through my box address:
P.O. Box W42, West Pennant Hills, NSW, 2125, AUSTRALIA
Regards from Bill Chalker.
*This section was edited out by Revision as of 08:55, 29 December 2006
144.134.48.191 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_ufology&diff=97106151&oldid=97101120
UFOIC eventually disintegrated under Mr Fred Phillips and Bill Moser and UFOIC lapsed into silence. But the old power troubles remained right up and into the 90's. In 1991 a new breed of New South Wales group emerged under the name of UFO Research New South Wales (UFOR(NSW)). This caused problems when Mr Bill Chalker who claimed that the new group had ‘stolen’ the name from him Chalker Letter - http://ufoic.blogspot.com/2006/02/ufo-research-new-south-wales-stole-my.html, however, Chalker was unable to justify his rights to the name, to counter this action Chalker registered the defunct UFOIC name for his independent private use.
TimMU 10:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chalker - UFORNSW & UFOIC 

message: The Good article nomination for  has failed
:I am failing the good article nomination for this article for a number of reasons.
# First it is not particularly well written or organized.
# It is in violation of WP:POV. Sentences like "The strange twist to this event was the person who should have had the chance to see all the files, the past President of CAPIO & VUFORS, Mr Peter Norris, had departed ufology just under 17 months prior to the changes in policy." or "The subject came under attack by bureaucrats in an attempt to stifle the Australian public debate. " (among others) are clearly pushing an underlying conspiracy theory hypothesis.
# I am concerned about the fact that very few users are contributing to the page.  probably has half the edits. This is not a healthy way to build an article and I think explains the POV problems. It also makes the whole article look like a violation of WP:NOR.
# The depiction of the agencies is dubious to say the least.
# A number of urls are dead. A bunch of references are dubious. I don't think that any book entitled "Awakening: How Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life," can pass as a reliable source.
# The talk page has been moved to  talk page but concerns about his management of the article have been erased by the user himself.
# Not only is this as clear-cut a failure for GA-status as can be but it's also clear that it should not have been nominated in the first place: surely a page that has been nominated twice for AfD in its six-month existence (with a non-consensus the first time around) should not be nominated so soon. As the nominator Vufors most certainly knows this page has a long history of edit wars. I am tempted to view the nomination as a disingenuous attempt to provide an undeserved credibility to the article.
 
Pascal.Tesson 03:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Good articles|Good Article]] [[Wikipedia:Good articles/Nominations|nomination]] 

message: In ref to this:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_ufology&diff=94526194&oldid=94511151
In the Summer of 2006, Perth film director Christopher Kenworthy created an experimental project to test the gullibility of Australian UFO investigation groups.Ots, Katie.  (August 24, 2006)  Gold Coast Sun Truth wasn't out there . . .  Section: 3, page 3.  Kenworthy posed as a teacher in posting on the internet about 30 clips of UFO sightings between April and mid-August.  "Australian UFO Wave 2006" video clips were attributed to people and places around the country.Australian UFO Wave 2006.  (2006) Australian UFO Wave 2006: Experimental Film Project.  Obtained December 15, 2006. Emails were answered by people with assumed identities.  The whole process was recorded for the documentary Watch The Skies, which received $15,000 from the Australian Film Commission.  After spending considerable time in researching the sightings, the Australian UFO Research Network, AUFORN, became embarrassed on discovering that they relied on faith rather than evidence in their UFO investigation.  Rather than criticize Kenworthy's project, AUFORN attacked the government for sponsoring Kenworthy.  AUFORN national director Diane Harrison, of Jimboomba, said she had written to John Howard, Kim Beazley and federal Arts Minister Rod Kemp in disgust at the exercise's being funded by taxes.
I have many problems with this input:
[1]. The project was a HOAX.
[2]. It will bring back this commercial company (AUFORN) and its spammers to again spam the pages. It would be common sense to leave the 'AUFORN Hydra' hunt in other commercial pastures.
[3]. It does not work with the spirit of this page, the 25 year rule (see Above) will keep current events out and stop clogging.
[4]. Also it was not an "experimental project" but an "immersive artwork". Para 3 at http://www.australianufowave.com/
[5]. Not only did AUFORN fall for the Hoax, Mr Christopher Kenworthy also reported that the Australian skeptics fell for the hoax.
It would be better to discuss this outside the page at this location. TimMU 03:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christopher Kenworthy created an experimental project 

message: [1]. Prominent Australian ufology administration
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_ufology&diff=94510029&oldid=94509973
*I agree with this action. The list serves no real help to the article. It also seem to be the attraction point of the spammer called commercial company called AUFORN. TimMU 03:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List cut by User JzG 

message: For what ever reason, those who have contributed to this article have not addressed the issues raised in July 2006 in Talk:Australian_ufology#Good_Article_nomination.  This article has had other identified serious problem that have not been addressed.  I've been asked to fix this article and will proceed doing just that.  However, I think it is better to give those having an interest in this topic a chance to fix the article before I make significant cuts.  The main problem with this article is that it is trying to include everything about UFOs in Australia. Ufology is the study of unidentified flying object (UFO) reports, sightings, alleged physical evidence, and other related phenomena.  There appears to be desire that only items older than 25 years be included in this article.  I revised the lead paragraph accordingly.  All items not related to the act of studying UFOs in Australia on or before 1982 need to be moved from this article.  You may want to move them to new articles, such as The History of UFO encounters in Australia.  -- Jreferee 15:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article issues

message: 144.134.48.115 - Please do not change this data . The referenced ACUFOS history is recorded as so see http://www.acufos.asn.au/index.html. I believe it is under Dr M. Gottschall.TimMU 13:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACUFOS 

message: They failed the wiki selection and are deleted as a commercial spamer SEE REASONS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/AUFORN - TimMU 14:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AUFORN Private Company Page Deleted

message: Extracted Post:
"No clear and unambigious picture had emerged about the role the RAAF played in the UFO controversy in Australia. In 1982, UFO Researcher Bill Chalker (B.Sc. Hons.) was the first civilian researcher to gain direct access to the previously classified RAAF UFO files at the Canberra headquarters of the Directorate of Air Force Intelligence. His review provided a detailed understanding of official involvement in Australia. Mr Chalker concluded that two polarised positions had emerged. The RAAF was covering up its high level involvement in an international "cover-up" of UFO facts, perhaps in concert with the US Air Force. Or, the RAAF was bureaucratically locked into a responsibility it had long since decided was a waste of time, but contined as a service to the general public."
*You seem to have now gone the other way, in a big time way, thus I see no reason to believe that this entry is that important? I would say many others got to see the RAAF files not just Mr Chalker and many others made similar observations & comments. I now see no reason to think that ONE mans comment or observation should NOW dominate. Thus it is not Wiki "Important" or "Notable". TimMU 10:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr Chalker observation? 

message: Gee... this was a great read... loved this site. Lots of good data and well referenced. Keepup the good work! GH220.240.77.199 03:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great Read 

message: Dr Who?:
A researcher who investigated the mysterious world of UFO sightings, ufology and ufologists has been awarded a PhD by the University of Melbourne.
The figure of 4 million Americans believing they have been abducted by aliens is sourced from the 1991 Roper Poll, "UFOs & Etraterrestrial Life Americans' Beliefs and Personal Experiences".
SEE: 
Dr Who? UFO study earns University of Melbourne researcher a PhD 
Media Release, Monday 4 August 2008'''
A researcher who investigated the mysterious world of UFO sightings, ufology and ufologists will be awarded a PhD at the University of Melbourne this week.
Martin Plowman, from the School of Culture and Communication, investigated hundreds of UFO sightings and interviewed dozens of ufologists as part of his PhD thesis.
Mr Plowman will become Dr Plowman next Saturday (August 9) when he is conferred with a Doctor of Philosophy at the University of Melbourne.
Vufors (talk) 12:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  PhD by the University of Melbourne 

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