Talk:Economy of Greece

message: "Eurostat revealed that the budgetary statistics on the basis of which Greece joined the eurozone had been under-reported by the conniving wops.[23]"
Excuse me? I highly doubt that the Eurostat report used such a racial slur as "wop".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.103.70.41 (talk) 08:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racial slur detected, asking for protection 

message: hv jhmb v bg.j 
'Bout a month ago, the article contained the figures for military spending. where did those figures go?
Project2501a 14:37, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: A-K-Y-R-O Project2501a 14:39, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military Spending 

message: The CIA Factbook has more recent figures (many from 2004) than this article.
*The article doesn't mention at any detail the everyday reality concerning the HUGE problems of poverty, loaning and unemployment. Pictureuploader 10:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you on the omissions, but you are wrong on the GDP growth. The economy grew 0.8% in the past month, but -5.5% between 2010 and 2011. --Philly boy92 (talk) 17:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated figures 

message: However there are two challenges for policymakers: a)to avoid an economic slump after the enthusiasm of the Games has gone and the EU farm subsidies get cut in 2006 and b) to proceed with stuctural economic reforms, especially in the areas of social insurance, welfare, and the labour market which will encourage further investments, lower the country's high unemployment and promote growth and economic stability. The first step was taken on the 30th June 2005 with substantial reforms of the insurance system for bank employees against fierce opposition from the unions and the main opposition partyPASOK with laws liberalising working hours in retail trade and employment and providing for public/private financing initiatives of public works and services to follow over the summer.
aint this just the neoliberal view / proposed solution?
there is no such thing as "neoliberal" its a mere attempt to accuse ND for beeing right-wing while in fact there is little connection between their policies and what constitutes "right-wing" economic policies world wide. By international standarts Even ND economic policies(the ones folowed today) are considered "socialist". 79.129.169.49 (talk) 23:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  neoliberal view 

message: Why is this so high? 
The revised GDP has not been verified by the EU as of yet, it is highly unlikely that it will.
This is misleading. Greece has a long way of being on par with Spain's economy. 
I can't why somebody has the motivation to give a false image of reality in this manner.
The real figure of Greece is nothing to be ashamed of! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.126.193.38 (talk) 06:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is actually the IMF's latest PPP estimate for 2006, which you can find here. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 02:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been watching economic data for decades and I have to admit that the current IMF version (which combines a PPP-index revision on top of the "full" originally planned Greek GDP revision - which was not finally approved) may be unrealistic. The same holds for the new IMF estimates for Israel and Cyprus (in all three cases IMF numbers differ significantly to those of other sources). On the other hand, Greece's black economy does create a lot of confusion. When estimating the true buying power of Greeks one should take everything into account (the "state's" wealth is another issue). Based on my experience, the most accurate estimate seems to be the current Eurostat value (released end Oct 07). Skartsis 16:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text:  I havent seen the Oct 07 value you refer to, but based on the April 07 value of Eurostat, Greece had a GDP per capita of 22,100 Euro. Now if you convert that to dollars its approx 33,000 $, in par with what the IMF says. So I dont see any difference between different organizations.77.83.28.16 11:51, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek GDP 2007 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:100.gre.01.jpg

message: I changed it to : "Greeks are the second most working people between OECD countries"
since the Forbes survey is between OECD countries not "the world" as previously mentioned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Basiljabber (talk • contribs) 21:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second most working people in the world 

message: Recent economic history
The per capita income (purchasing power terms) of Greece was 65% that of France in 1850, 56% in 1890, 62% in 1938 [2] [3], 75% in 1980 and 90% in 2007 [4].
Mistaken according to IMF   it was 84.79% in 1980 73.72% in 1990 71.66% in 2000 and finally 86.98% in 2007 
IMF doesnt keep data before 1980.
In 1981, protective barriers were removed when Greece joined the European Community on January 1, 1981 and cohesion funds contributed considerably to the country's fast economic development in the 1980s. By 1989 Greece belonged to a group of 23 "advanced economies".
Again according to the IMF  i dont believe 0.7% average growth counts as "fast economic development in the '80's"
By 1989 Greece belonged to a group of 23 "advanced economies".
IMF 1980 25th richest per capita 1990 30th richest per capita. Close to 23
but not quite.
: The "historic" data are derived from the sources given. IMF is not used, as it made, in 2007, a "retroactive" correction of the newly revised Greek GDP applying it to all the years since 1980 (something that is mathematically wrong, since the Greek GDP, as that of many other countries, had been revised inbetween). Both IMF and Eurostat data are continuously changing/revised (just look at even two consecutive releases), and there is variation between data from different sources, so one has to be very careful. As far as the 23 "advanced" economies are concerned, they are obviously not derived by rank by income (Qatar is still not such an economy), but by definition of organizations like WB and IMF. For the 1980s growth, I agree, it was miserable, we all remember. Skartsis (talk) 10:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major reworking  

message: It should be interesting to study this 3 groups, how they live and got their money, what are their daily troubles, etc. Yug (talk) 18:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lower/middle/higher social class 

message: I just wrote a ten page article about the development of greek economy for school. Now I can say that many of the facts in this wikipedia article, and especially many of the numbers are definitley wrong. (-> OECD, World Factbook)
The article is not very good.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.124.242.42 (talk) 19:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ctitic: 

message: One error that has been left uncorrected for several months is the statement about "high economic growth in the 1980s". In reality the 1980s was pretty much a decade of miserable economic performance, often called "the lost decade", clearly  connected with socialist experiments (including nationalization of major companies) - to include all arguments, though, I should mention that "unofficial" or "black" economy grew faster. Ironically, it is the same political party that is credited with a reversal of economic performance and high growth after 1994. I have reworded the sentence about the 1980s, hoping that it more accurately reflects the situation. Skartsis (talk) 06:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1980s 

message: To the editor(s) doing , you need to have a real discussion here beyond "it is far too poor."  There is no way I am going to accept that it's better to have a version where the top image is a deleted comment over a real image.  That's a starting point.  If this continues, I will semi-protect the page so we can move on. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  To the IP for whom the article "is far too poor" 

message: Articles about such general-interest subjects like this, are written and progressively enriched/perfected through cooperation of many contributors. All of a sudden I see that most of the article has been erased, including a lot of detailed data about the recent/current situation. Normally there should be a discussion about possible improvements, not such an "attack". As if this were not enough, somebody added the "written like an advertisement" label (as most of the material about the recent evolutions had been removed). I think such articles deserve better protection - if anything, massive deletions like the recent one should be undone, and a responsible editor should propose a revised version. Skartsis (talk) 14:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Adventures" of this article 

message: Where is the encyclopedic information on the recent (current) economic crises in Greece?  The failure of an article on the economy of Greece to have a decent summary of the current fiscal crises of the Greek government, issues with public sector jobs, protests, is remarkable.  And it is not up to the ordinary standards of Wikipedia to avoid POV.  Has there been some kind of political consensus among a few editors to avoid bad news in this article?  Or what?  N2e (talk) 11:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember we're not writing the news. It's important to keep articles up to date on this sort of situation, but it's also important to show restraint. I agree with you that it could / should be covered more substantially, but I don't believe it's any sort of deliberate exclusion. If the current state of the Greek economy is notable enough, it may merit its own article, in which case it would be appropriate to have a line or two about it and a "for more information, see article blah". I'm not well versed in the subject so I'll leave that decision to someone else. 203.217.150.69 (talk) 08:01, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this talk page lots of information was indeed removed last October.--Straw Cat (talk) 13:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the beef?  All information on the current economic crises is missing. 

message: Reuters article on the meeting: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2515219020100226
BusinessWeek article on the DoJustice investigation: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-03/u-s-said-to-tell-hedge-funds-to-save-euro-records-update2-.html
Bloomberg article on the investigation: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGwpiEXSgoxs&pos=3
Wall Street Journal article on the Hedge Funds' "ganging" of euro. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB40001424052748703795004575087741848074392.html
--AaThinker (talk) 06:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [Relevant information to current crisis/sources inclusion] Hedge Funds betting against the Euro after private meeting on Feb 8 - US  Department of Justice investigating legality - Orders them to keep transaction records for investigation 

message: "The Greek economy is a developed economy with the public sector accounting for about 40% of GDP. The service sector contributes 75.7% of the total GDP, industry 20.6% and agriculture 3.7%. "
I might be reading this incorectly but isn't 40+75+20+3 = 148% ?
82.21.25.153 (talk) 17:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: public sector is full off services?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Athinker (talk • contribs) 23:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Public vs private is different that service vs industry. PirateArgh!!1!  02:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Public services --Leladax (talk) 19:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The numbers just don't add up... 

message: for a country that it helped create a military Dictatorship in the 60s admittedly by Bill Clinton. This is insulting. --Leladax (talk) 23:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA as principal source 

message: No mention is made of the affect of the Construction industry in period 1995 to 2007 and Asset prices (perhaps a bubble). Somebody should add something in this direction and the effect on GDP.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.151.108 (talk) 12:48, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Construction industry in period 1995 to 2007 and Asset prices 

message: http://nowandfutures.com/d2/Top50_CDS_Gross_notional20081031.htm 
Turkey holds most of the CDS assets in the world. Do the math. --Athinker (talk) 13:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think I found out a source showing why Greece is pushed to default. 

message: If the budget deficit is listed as -$34.5 billion, doesn't that mean they have a budget surplus of +$34.5 billion?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.215.193 (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Its written as it appears on the Eurostat statistics table. --Philly boy92 (talk) 23:41, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Budget deficit negative number  

message: I've just uploaded this chart that I've just created.GDP and Debt timeseries start at 1970;Deficit at 2000.
Should I add it in somewhere (in example after the "History of government debt and deficit (1999-present" table) or are there any objections??
Thanatos|talk 00:36, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no one expressed any objections, I went on and added the chart.Thanatos|talk 18:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: New chart created and uploaded.It's the same with the one above but for the current euros.Are there any objections to adding it after the last one???Thanatos|talk 04:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Again,since noone objected, I went on and added the new chart.Thanatos|talk 19:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart of Greek GDP,(two kinds of) Debt and Goverment Deficit. 

message: Would anyone be able to extend or increase the x axis of this graph so the years can be seen more clearly? . At the current state, it is a bit hard to look at analytically (especially the eurozone period) due to there being over 50 years. In comparison, this graph looks a lot clearer since it goes over only 11 years: . Kind regards. Calaka (talk) 05:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extend x axis of graph? Seems a bit unclear at current state. 

message: The double standard is obvious. When one of the "superior" countries has a problem, it's the "bankers". When a south european country has it, it's the "lazy pigs".
That's some nazi shit right there. --195.74.250.209 (talk) 01:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The double standard is obvious 

message: It seems to me that the content on this page regarding Greece's 2010-2011 debt crisis is very extensive, and deserves its own article. I think it creates the wrong impression of Greece's economy, as it dominates the page. I have tried to introduce a number of new sections to the article (agriculture, telecommunications, shipping, tourism etc) and plan to add more (banking, construction industry, mining, and others), but I think that the debt section is far too long. Would anyone else agree that we should split it into its own article? --Philly boy92 (talk) 12:40, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it already had its own article. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 17:47, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it deserves its own article, its a very extensive topic by itself. I also don't think there is any need for 40% of the page to be on Greece's current debt problems, its recentism. If other people don't think that a separate article on the Greek debt crisis is needed, I suggest most of the information on this be moved to the European sovereign debt crisis page, where it is more suited. --Philly boy92 (talk) 21:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010-2011 Greek Debt Crisis >> make new article? 

message: This edit "This led to claims that italy had not actually met all five accession criteria"(emphasis mine) by 98.142.192.4  was of course not appropriate when taken as is.
So it had been reverted to this "This led to claims that Greece had not actually met all five accession criteria" by Tgeairn as being factually erroneous.
Well,I've made a "synthesis" of edits, having added references.Now it reads "This led to claims that Greece (as well as claims about other European countries like Italy[47]) had not actually met all five accession criteria".Btw it has already been mentioned elsewere in the article(2010–2011 debt crisis section).So it's anything but wrong and also I don't think it's wrong covering it more and providing more references...
P.S.Country M=Italy,at least that's what's most people say... ;-) Thanatos|talk 09:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed again the wording a bit to "This led to claims that Greece (similar claims have been made about other European countries like Italy[47]) had not actually met all five accession criteria".Thanatos|talk 10:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims about Italy 

message: Burgas–Alexandroupoli pipeline, which will transport oil from Russia to Bulgaria, Greece and then Europe and North America,[103] is an €800 million investment of which 23.5% comes from Greek companies[103] and another 1% by the Greek state.
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The Burgas–Alexandroupoli pipeline
On 7 December 2011, Bulgarian government officially decided to terminate its participation in the project and proposed to the tripartite inter-governmental agreement to be terminated at mutual consent
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134623
Remove that project is dead.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.253.247.219 (talk) 19:30, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have deleted the relevant passage.Thanatos|talk 17:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit -ENERGY?? 

message: I have noticed that for over a month now the article's rating has received 1 box for each of the categories, i.e. rating it as extremely POV and untrustworthy. I hardly think that the article in its present form deserves such a low rating, especially since it presents a much more spherical view of the Greek economy than it did a year ago. Is there any way we can see if there is any vandalism going on? If its not vandalism, would those people care to point out what is wrong in the article so it can be fixed? --Philly boy92 (talk) 15:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible vandalism of page rating 

message: The page's rating at the bottom of the page is 5 stars across all five categories, should we nominate the page as a "good article"? It's come a long way since last year, and I believe it portrays a holistic view of the Greek economy; something that most economy pages don't do. It certainly does not deserve either a "start" or "c class" rating in my opinion. Thoughts? --Philly boy92 (talk) 23:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article nomination 

message: I don't understand the table in the section "Trade and investment". The caption says, imports and exports in 2008 are compared to 2011. Yet the table only seems to show 2011 figures. Also the numbers aren't consistent with the info box at the top right of the whole article. The box states, Greece's main export partners are "Germany 11.11%, Italy 11.05%, Cyprus 7.28%, Bulgaria 6.74%, US 4.95%, UK 4.4%, Turkey 4.23%". The table otoh says, main export partner is Denmark with a value that's about 9% of the total. 77.186.72.148 (talk) 19:48, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign trade table 

message: If you Heptor (or anyone else) want to delete the aforementioned sentence please, kindly explain to us to why it's irrelevant and content-free;with references please.
Greece has severe endemic-local economic problems but this doesn't mean that these problems are totally irrelevant to or isolated from the world outside Her.
As an example of the global crisis hitting Greece hard, see drastic decline of exports of goods (www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/exports) or tourism revenues-receipts (www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/international-tourism-receipts-us-dollar-wb-data.html) during the discussed period. P.S.I have just discovered that for some strange and unknown reason, tradingeconomics.com is in wikipedia's blacklist-spamlist, therefore I had to delete the http part and so on not being able to create (real external) links;that's why the internet addresses are in the above form. Thanatos|talk 16:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{ diff |Economy of Greece|481172085|481146401| Undid revision 481146401 by Heptor }}  

message: Fitch Ratings-London-17 May 2012: Fitch Ratings has downgraded Greece's Long-term foreign and local currency Issuer Default Ratings (IDRs) to 'CCC' from 'B-'. The Short-term foreign currency IDR has also been downgraded to 'C' from 'B'.
http://www.fitchratings.com/creditdesk/press_releases/detail.cfm?pr_id=750064&cm_sp=homepage-_-FeaturedContentLink-_-Learn%20More  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.253.33.182 (talk) 00:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit!! Fitch Doesn't Have Outlook For Greece 

message: I'm surprised Greece still has a notable economy. I thought it was going to leave the euro or something? 192.12.88.41 (talk) 07:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  In view of the several past years, and the official outlook for the next couple of years, this article desperately needs updating, so I put the UPDATE tag. It is nonsense to glorify the Greek economy in this article. Crnorizec (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly needs to be updated? Precise information is always appreciated over vague generalization of the sort of "the Greek economy is being glorified". As a major contributor to the article I can tell you that the latest data is used, mostly from 2011-2012, but sometimes from 2009 (for some Eurostat data). --Philly boy92 (talk) 15:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Most of the quoted data and rankings in the article is from 2009 and it's fake (according to official reports and admissions of several subsequent Greek governments since 2009).  Crnorizec (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonsense. This is one of the most rigorously up-to-date economy articles on Wikipedia. Unlike your sources, which are almost three years old. It is obvious that you are here to push a particular ethnic agenda. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 23:00, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The numbers quoted in the article are from 2009. My sources about the inaccuracy of those numbers are credible, and dated from the time when this fraud was discovered and publicly admitted by the Greek government. The only nonsense is your statement, and the "ethnic agenda" is in your head.  Crnorizec (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it? Your sources refer specifically to the controversial 2009 debt and deficit statistics. The article discusses the controversy in considerable detail, including the revised figures, but also cites the latest ELSTAT and Eurostat data which are not in dispute. Therefore, your contention that "the numbers quoted in the article are from 2009" is deliberately misleading and factually incorrect. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 00:21, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

text: The state of denial will take you nowhere. The article starts with outdated information about the ranking by GDP, and goes on in this manner. The article should start with the current situation, and the negative prospects. The economy of Greece is creating further social and political crisis, so the fact that it was 32nd in 2009 is irrelevant, and also by admission of the local politicians, inaccurate.  Do I need to quote sources for each year when Greece cheated on economic data to make my point? Crnorizec (talk) 09:36, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The GDP ranking is the latest provided by the World Bank, and it is for 2010. The statistics are updated in July of each year, and we will be using the new figures as soon as they are available. If you cannot bring yourself to stomach the data, perhaps you could contact the World Bank and let them know how upset you feel. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary, the 2009 controversy concerns the deficit-to-GDP ratio and not the overall size of Greece's GDP. "Greece cheated" may constitute a convincing argument for German tabloid readers, but not here. It certainly does not justify the rejection of statistics published by major international organizations. As for your insistence that the article should start with the current situation—no, it shouldn't. WP:RECENT may be a good place for you to begin your reading. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 11:10, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

text: The IMF (sister organization of WB) has a more recent ranking, from 2011: List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal). And also, a 5-year old crisis is not exactly recent, so WP:RECENT doesn't apply. It seems that New York Times  is also reading the German tabloids? I will revisit this article and this conversation in a year or two, and have a good laugh. Meanwhile, I wish you to become less offensive and less obsessed with the greatness of the Greek economy. Crnorizec (talk) 13:57, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unfortunate that you feel offended, but my point stands. You can laugh all you like, but we will continue to cite the relevant sources rather than the personal opinions of individual editors from neighboring countries who think they know better. For what it's worth, the most recent World Bank and IMF rankings are almost identical, at 34th and 35th respectively. Not so far off from the "irrelevant" 2009 data, as it turns out. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 15:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

text: This article is a total illusion. Some of the data are changed if they are better than the previous ones, the other data are not changed if they are worse than the previous ones. The writer seems to be kidding about the smartness of the readers. It is incredible for Wikipedia to allow this behaviour.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.102.65.254 (talk) 19:21, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greece has an economy anymore? 

message: a.I've deleted the older pre PSI data from the Infobox;they are imo no more relevant,they have no place being inside the infobox.Outside the infobox and inside the article of course no argue that they are very significant.</br>
b.I've also updated to latest debt data,id est of June 2012 (referenced using official Hellenic Republic's Public Debt Bulletin) but I've left the older %GDP estimates unchanged since there is no relevant reference-estimate based on the former that I know of.This creates a minor problem regarding references format; I've seperated them and placed them inside parantheses and small tag so that it's clear that they differ,that they refer to different numbers.</br>
Does anyone object to the former (deletion of pre PSI data inside infobox) or the latter(format of references,id est being small,inside parentheses and in different places for Public Debt(absolute) and Public Debt(%GDP))?</br>
P.S. On the latter I propose leaving , for the sake of clarity, the format as it is now  until we have a newer more relevant %GDP estimate&reference but I wouldn't seriously object to changing back to normal format (normal size,outside parantheses,packed together) for the sake of homogeneity of appearance if other editors don't like my change.</br>
P.P.S. I also propose updating the Public Debt Bulletin latest reference I've now created, every time a new one gets published (about every three months).</br>
P.P.P.S. I've also now changed the average gross and net salaries inside the infobox.Their references now point to "serious" sources(OECD and Eurostat) but no longer to pdfs;instead they link to dynamic tables that have to be set manually in order to show the data on Greece and relevant variables.Note also that 1.elsewhere on OECD I've read that the 2011 data on Greece are to be revised,so the gross number may have perhaps to be considered as provisional and 2. as they are from different sources and about different years etc (OECD and Eurostat(from EU-SILC), 2011 and 2010 respectively) there might be a significant gap between the two cited values greater(I think) than the "real" social contributions etc.</br>
Thanatos|talk 14:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest Public Debt data, June 2012 and Infobox 

message: Can an article and link to the Without intermediaries movement be made ?
See also 
* http://p2pfoundation.net/No_Middlemen_Cost_Cutting_Networks_in_Greece
* http://p2pfoundation.net/Informal_Citizen_Networks_in_Greece and 
* http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17369989
According to Tomáš Sedláček, Greece is recovering from the economic crisis and is introducing this new way of commerce into the economy. In addition, they also seem to embrace barter networks like TEM (currency), ....
KVDP (talk) 13:33, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Without intermediaries movement

message: Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC), a UN/WTO agency that aims to promote sustainable economic development through trade promotion. I would like to propose the addition of an external link (http://www.macmap.org/QuickSearch/FindTariff/FindTariff.aspx?subsite=open_access&country=SCC300%7cGreece&source=1|ITC) that leads directly to our online database of customs tariffs applied by Greece. Visitors can easily look up market access information for Greece by selecting the product and partner of their interest. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 
1) ITC is part of the United Nations, and aims to share trade and market access data on by country and product as a global public good
2) No registration is required to access this information
3) Market access data (Tariffs and non-tariff measures) are regularly updated
Thank you,
Divoc (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: External link to tariff data

message: Should link this page to Greek Tragedy ... or perhaps Greek comedy ?  ;-)  66.155.23.67 (talk)   — Preceding undated comment added 11:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to Greek Tragedy

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
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replies: text: I updated the tax evasion section with fully cited information from sources such as the New York Times and Bloomberg. 
   A mid-2017 report indicated Greeks have been "taxed to the hilt" and many believed that the risk of penalties for tax evasion were less serious than the risk of bankruptcy. One method of evasion is the so-called black market, grey economy or shadow economy: work is done for cash payment which is not declared as income; as well, VAT is not collected and remitted.[197] A January 2017 report[198] by the DiaNEOsis think-tank indicated that unpaid taxes in Greece at the time totaled approximately 95 billion euros, up from 76 billion euros in 2015, much of it was expected to be uncollectable. Another early 2017 study estimated that the loss to the government as a result of tax evasion was between 6% and 9% of the country's GDP, or roughly between 11 billion and 16 billion euros per annum.[199]
The shortfall in the collection of VAT (sales tax) is also significant. In 2014, the government collected 28% less than was owed to it, about double the average for the EU; the amount of the shortfall that year was about 4.9 billion euros.[200] The DiaNEOsis study completed estimated that 3.5% of GDP is lost due to VAT fraud, while losses due to smuggling of alcohol, tobacco and petrol amounted to approximately another 0.5% of the country's GDP.[201] Peter K Burian (talk) 17:54, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: The section Trade mentions Denmark as number 1 Export destination in 2008. It must be Germany.--Bornsommer (talk) 18:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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message: Yesterday it was announced that the recession this year was at 8.2%, instead of 10-11%. It should be updated Gr19 (talk) 13:37, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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