Talk:Furry fandom/Archive 7

message: Do you think this article is of good enough quality to be put forward as a Good article? I think it is probably good enough. ISD 18:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the article fits the criteria, however there is an argument that it should go for peer review due to its length. Might be worth going for good article as a starting point, though. GreenReaper 19:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it would be best to send to a peer review first, but maybe we should wait to see what other users think. If no-one else responses in one or two days, then I'll put it forward for PR. ISD 06:53, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I generally think of peer review as being a step after GA and on the road to FA, but I've only driven one article that direction thus far, so that doesn't mean much. GA is pretty relaxed, however, so it might be worth putting it up for that first and, if there are some problems brought up, do a peer review afterwards to help clear them up. Tony Fox (arf!) 15:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Following on from what has been said, I've decided to put the article up for GA. ISD 07:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks alright to me at a glance and I've never edited the article before, but I'd have to examine it in detail to see if it really does pass all the criteria.--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 21:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article?

message: It's close, but there are still unsourced statements here and a few weasel worded phrases. On top of that, you're using WikiFur as a source, as well as other sources which are of questionable reliability. You can renominate it once these concerns have been addressed, and get another user to look at the article.-h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 14:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA fail 

message: Much of this section is my writing, and a lot of it was based on opinion and hearsay.  I don't think the current citations accurately justify a lot of the conclusions that remain.  Aside from the bit about the split at alt.fan.furry, the rest is just me drawing conclusions from stuff I read on blogs.  Perri Rhoades 15:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Furry Lifestylers Section

message: I heard somewhere furries recently made it into the Guinness Book Of World Records as "largest furry fan club". This should definitely be added to the article somewhere. Does anyone have the exact reference? —Ochlophobia 13:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could use the cite book template to reference the book after it is published. ISD 14:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It already is published - that's where the scans are from. They sell it ahead of time to make sure people have time to buy it for Christmas. The publishing company is also called Guinness World Records (Ltd). The title is just Guinness World Records 2008. It's on page 123. GreenReaper 16:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Furries In The Guinness Book Of World Records!

message: Seeing as there is quite a lot about furry sexuality in this article, maybe it would be a good idea to create an article about Sexuality in the furry fandom? What does everyone else think? ISD 14:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, I don't think it'd survive WP:N. It's too fandom-centric to have very many reliable sources, so it wouldn't show enough notability to form a stand-alone article. -- Kesh 14:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with the above comment. It's a very interesting topic within furry itself, but I really don't think it could be justified in a general encyclopedia. WikiFur is the place for that sort of thing. Loganberry (Talk) 14:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Also worth mentioning is that there used to be a separate article Yiff but it got AfD'ed several months ago and now redirects to a section of Furry fandom.  --Mwalimu59 16:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that, but if I remember rightly, the old yiff article concerned only pornography. I was thinking that this article would include not just yiff, but also the sociological side of sexuality, including the two surveys. ISD 17:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and create it if you think you can provide enough reliable sources to write a reasonably sized article.--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 22:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article on furry sexuality?

message: Footnote 27 (as I type this) has a name ("NonhumanCatalogue") but no actual reference, meaning that 27 in the footnote list is blank. I don't know what it should be; could someone who does please fix it? Loganberry (Talk) 02:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm...  Had to go digging in the edit history a little, but I think I've restored the full reference that was there up until a couple of weeks back. --Mwalimu59 03:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malformed footnote 

message: Under the article to-do list:
"Merge with Wikifur's Furry Fandom page to create a more uniform message"
What does that mean? Is this page a message from furries to non-furries, or an encyclopedic article on furries? It can't be both. It is obviously biased from the viewpoint of a furry. Additionally, the article misses the main aspects of furry culture.
If a friend were to ask you what furries, you'd tell him about fursuits, furry art, yiffing, and fetishes. Those are the main aspects of furry culture. By reading this article, you might think furries are normal people who just have a few extra stuffed animals laying around. Surely someone can find some furry images from all of the terabytes of deviantart and other yiff stuff to incriminate these people? --72.207.228.114 08:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'm not going to feed the troll here. If someone honestly thinks those are the "main aspects of furry culture," we're not going to get anywhere. -- Kesh 14:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - we've been over this numerous times and those discussions are available in the talk archives to anyone who cares to review them.  --Mwalimu59 15:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: It's about time something got done to fix these furries. --76.165.246.9 00:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias