Talk:Teleportation

message: I remember having read a sci-fi novel once where the protagonist discovered to his horror and amazement that during all "routine" teleportations, a kind of "echo" of the teleported object or person was created. This echo experienced our reality in a kind of transposition of the aggregate states: "Our" solids are experienced as liquids with a very high surface tension, so the echoes can walk on them but also sink in; "our" liquids, to them, display the properties of gases, and "our" air, those of the luminiferous aether.
I forgot the titel and author, does anybody know it?--84.160.90.32 (talk) 12:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reflections?

message: I know that in Mandrake the Magician, teleportation is used often. Can somebody add stuff about him.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.155.101.204 (talk) 21:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mandrake the Magician

message: If I'm not mistaken, In the early stages of BioShock the player was going to gain the ability to teleport (this was even shown in a game trailer before its release), but was removed due to screwing up scripted sequences. Should BioShock be included? 202.8.230.193 (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Err yeah, no.86.132.24.70 (talk) 23:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bioshock perhaps? 

message: This article only includes video games for some reason, but the teleport spell from D&D is particularly influential as far as gaming is concerned and should certainly be mentioned. Incidentally, the creators of the video game Doom, id Software, were involved in a D&D campaign where hell invaded the material world, and that inspired the hellish plot of their game. It's likely thus that their use of teleportation (with that name) in the game was influenced by their playing D&D. The majority of the VGs mentioned more of less owe the inclusion of teleportation to D&D, Doom, or both. Who is like God? (talk) 19:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dungeons & Dragons 

message: OMG, this article should be rated, it is very well written, and it impressed me so much, it has many cohesive statements, I like this article. Which project would it fit? Sci-fi?
Eduemoni↑talk↓ 19:41, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should 

message: This article needs to be more accessible.
Someone should create a page titled "Teleportation in fiction" and then redirect it here.   Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 09:47, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect needed 

message: Supreme Commander also contains a large amount of teleportation, and fits into a fictional video game. Quantumkayos (talk) 12:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supreme Commander 

message: There's already an entry for it under the Half-Life series, so someone should probably either move or combine the info specifically for Portal up there. - Nadie 05:17, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal 

message: It is superfluous to give this article the title "Teleportation in Fiction" since teleportation exists *only* in fiction. Oh, and in simulated worlds such as Second Life... which should also be addressed here perhaps?
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A query for whatever unlikely person might care... Presumably this word originally had only a transitive meaning, "to teleport something", as it derives from (or shares its etymology with) "transportation". On that basis, to me anyway, it sounds a bit wrong to speak in the intransitive sense of "teleporting somewhere". I wonder when this usage arose?
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re "The Tomorrow People" - I have to say I love the description of them as "random teenagers" as it is so true on so many levels. But I should point out that "random" did not have quite that meaning back when the programme was originally on.
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OK. I'm out of here.
Johncurrandavis (talk) 07:21, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been long and repeated discussions on the old teleportation page about teleportation in non-fiction. Apparently, a lot of people, people without the proper credentials to understand the topic, seem to think Quantum teleportation counts. They haven't been able to explain to me why but a quantum/fiction split of the teleportation page was the compromise. Skippydo (talk) 14:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah! I hadn't seen the original page and its associated discussion. I'd say that the compromise arrived at is a mistaken one. While I can see the attempt to be rationalistic, the resulting effect is, I think, quite the opposite. Teleportation is, surely, according to all reasonable semantic inquiry, a presumably exclusively fictional phenomenon, much like vampires and so on. To distinguish between "vampires in fiction" and other vampires would be to imply that the fictional ones constitute the special case, as distinct from the real ones. To have a page on "teleportation in fiction", on that analogy, comes rather close to implying that quantum teleportation (whatever that is!) is indeed the REAL counterpart of the phenomenon found in the novels and movies. Clearly a disambiguation page will be useful here, to ensure that people find the page they are looking for; but "teleportation" and "quantum teleportation" are not the same term (one has, er, one word, and the other has two). Which term has the greater heritage? which was named after the other? Or had the scientists who invented the term "quantum teleportation" not read any science fiction? I'm with you, Skippydo.
Johncurrandavis (talk) 12:41, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

text: If you find a reliable source that covers these things, feel free to add any relevant information. -- Fyrefly  (talk) 15:51, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few things... 

message: This article really needs help - it has too much trivia, and not enough scholarly discussion on the concept of teleportation in fiction.  Certainly one can find a few good sources discussing the concept in a scholarly sort of way.  A list of fiction containing teleportation is kind of useless here, and better suited for a category, like, say, :Category:List of fictional works using teleportation.
To this end, I'm going to clean out the unreferenced trivia, which will leave us with an introduction, a well-referenced section on the etymology, and maybe one other thing.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:47, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: With reference to the brief exchange above ("A few things...") between Skippydo and myself, your edit leaves this article having virtually nothing at all to do with teleportation *in fiction*. It is now an article on teleportation as a notion, teleportation as a non-real thing, but only in the most tangential way a *fictional* thing. The extensive list of "trivia" that WAS here attested somewhat to how thoroughly this notion pervades fiction. Maybe a lot of was indeed trivia, but that is always a judgement call. Fiction is not automatically trivia. (Or should we wipe out on Dickens's page all mention of his fiction?)
Johncurrandavis (talk) 13:01, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent point regarding that this isn't about fiction so much anymore.  Fixed that with a few page moves, since it is painfully apparent that we have a primary topic, and now it's where it belongs.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Splendid! I have amended the disambiguation page to reflect this. I am not absolutely certain that my wording is the very best possible, but hopefully it is an improvement. It does make it clear in the place where it needs to be clear that this is NOT a topic about a real and known scientific process. Now, I daresay, since teleportation really is an important and ubiquitous element in science-fiction, we do need something by way of the category you suggest: :Category:List of fictional works using teleportation. Which would need keepiong an eye on, to ensure that it doesn't get out of hand. But for me, the 1950s horror film "The Fly" alone justifies it! 81.107.31.178 (talk) 18:04, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, in thinking about it a little bit, a correct category name for that would be :Category:Fictional works using teleportation, but otherwise, I agree with your point.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes, the article should contain a short list of important examples in fiction. As it stands, the article contains far, far too many examples, most of which are very trivial, as well as horribly structured. Unless someone comes up with a great reason for keeping them, I'll be removing these trivial examples. -- Fyrefly  (talk) 20:01, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it doesn't.  The content has been forked to Teleportation in fiction, and is currently the subject of a deletion discussion.  As I said in the AFD, "It can all be summarized by saying, 'Teleportation is often used as a plot device in fictional works,' and leaving it at that. We can definitely find a source somewhere to verify that. No need to list every instance of teleportation that's ever happened, or even a summary of such. One sentence, and it's already there, and it's sourced, even (lookit that!)."  SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:19, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:   SchuminWeb seems to be editing without due care and attention as this most recent edit removes not only the disputed examples but also an image, citations to two encyclopedia, and a new section about Jewish myth.  This edit restores misinformation to the article, claiming that Charles Fort first used the term, when this is inaccurate.  Such edits seem to be dog in the manger disruption. Warden (talk) 08:01, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As has been clearly pointed out, all of the content in question is already at Teleportation in fiction. The deletion discussion there will determine what happens to that content. In the meantime, we certainly don't need to have it in both that article and this one. -- Fyrefly  (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would like to propose a compromise of sorts. Since most of the fictional references to teleportation are unsourced anyway, which runs into original research, how about allowing discussion of teleportation in fiction where that fictional depiction is the subject of discussion in reliable third-party sources. In addition to Star Trek (for which such a source is provided below) I suspect we would be able to find properly sourced materials for teleportation occurring in at most three or four other fictional settings. bd2412 T 17:32, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Surely a work of fiction may function as its own source? I don't see any point in requiring it to be "laundered" by some 3rd party (possibly inaccurately) before anything from it can be included in Wikipedia. This article is now rather short given that it's supposely about teleportation in science fiction. Tangerine Cossack (talk) 00:29, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

text:  Although looking at Teleportation in fiction, I see the problem that's involved in writing a decent article. Tangerine Cossack (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a trivia list, not an article 

message: I would strongly suggest reviewing and referencing The Physics of Star Trek, which was written by a relatively notable physicist and contains an entire chapter comparing the fictional depiction of teleportation in Star Trek with the actual and theoretical science of the concept. bd2412 T 20:46, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the tip!  Shound make for some interesting reading, plus verify facts.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: iPhone 2607:9880:4110:93:75ED:528A:1E81:3921 (talk) 00:46, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Trek 

message: Surely there are some theories as to the realistic possibility or information as to why it's not possible. Muleattack (talk) 23:49, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, that's what I was expecting to see here. If there is a separate "Teleportation in Fiction" article, then that implies this is about scientific teleportation, and the only thing you can write about that is how people think it might theoretically be possible, based on science. 86.132.24.70 (talk) 23:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Now there is at least a sentence on actual teleportation (that there is no known way how to do it) and a section on beaming. However, I believe that this should still be very much expanded. --Geek3 (talk) 11:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  No section on Scientific possibility? 

message: The fact that time and speed being interrelated leads to the fact that light teleports from a certain vantage point, I think is notable. It's more than just a theory, it's an implication that is used to calculate your position on the planet by GPS. Id you want to delete the section on Special Relativity, explain yourself! I think it's notable and will entice people to read up more about the subject if they realise that in a sense, teleportation is part of your reality in a very concrete way. All energy teleports. Because we're "slow" it only appears to have finite speed "c" to us, but if you were energy you would teleport too...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.215.100.239 (talk) 07:24, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the entry per wp:UNSOURCED. See also my comment at Talk:Speed of light#The slowness of matter. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 07:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

text: It is not the goal of Wikipedia to entice the reader to do anything. The goal is to inform the reader of verifiable facts. You need to cite reliable sources for any information you wish to add. -- Fyrefly  (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Light Teleports 

message: probably one of the better teleporting references video game wise, also one of the better representations on actual teleportation physically speaking  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.208.104 (talk) 23:04, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This would really belong in Teleportation in fiction, and even then only if you had a reliable source for the info. -- Fyrefly  (talk) 02:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Champions-Online 

message: Why is this article so tiny? Surely there must have been some scientific progress about this subject by now. No one is really interested about the words etymology because it's already pretty self-explanatory. --Shandristhe azylean 09:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This article is very short and merely defines the word 'Teleportation'. Compare this to the article on time travel, which is long and detailed, containing speculations by physicists about how time travel might be achieved. I would assume, hopefully, that there has been at least some scientific investigation into the possibility of teleportation, and this article should detail that. 64.126.55.59 (talk) 04:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Could this link be of service in authenticating or defining 'Teleportation' as quantum movement of information? http://www.diginfo.tv/v/13-0068-f-en.php It's a scientific report on a how a group in Tokyo verified a previously successful 1997 experiment by repeating it with a new technique and moving 100 times the amount of material.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.61.121 (talk) 23:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What you're talking about is called quantum teleportation. -- Fyrael (talk) 03:46, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

text: The article lists some references which appear on topic. WP:SOFIXIT based on those. Oh wait, only to have stuff deleted by all the cretins who patrol such pages? Worth the trouble? Probably not. JMP EAX (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article 

message: If someone wants to go through this report and add some relevant information to the article (and then cite the report as a reference, not the futurist site that simply links to it), that would be fine. However, the misleading header of "Teleportation could be real" and just telling the reader to go "get the report" is not encyclopedic at all. -- Fyrael (talk) 22:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Force Report 

message: Teleportation in fiction is a long page, I think this is an acceptable category Ryulong has been reverting all of my additions to this category. There is a discussion on the administrators noticeboard. CensoredScribe (talk) 22:41, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:ANI#CensoredScribe's categories on discussion on how CensoredScribe is inappropriately making dozens of categories of questionable quality. CensoredScribe, this is not the page to make this sort of discussion, either.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 15:49, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Teleportation in fiction 

message: The scope of this page/stub is unclear. The dabhat seems to suggest that it intends to cover only fictional material, in which case a merge with teleportation in fiction would seem appropriate. On the other hand, if intends to be the top-level article for this notion—fictional or not—then it needs to summarize the other two articles (quantum teleportation as the only physically envisageable (pardon my French, but not quite the same meaning as "possible") one at the moment and the fictional material) Someone not using his real name (talk) 10:05, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: How does a hatnote which reads "For other uses, see Teleportation (disambiguation)" suggest that this article would only cover fictional material? -- Fyrael (talk) 15:13, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

text: The scope also does not seem unclear. This page is meant to deal with non-fictional teleportation, which really doesn't exist yet, so it gives a brief overview of the concept and an etymology. -- Fyrael (talk) 15:17, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  scope of this page (possible merge) 

message: I have added [back] the link to Qt given that the lead of the other article mentions the term "Teleportation" and discusses the difference: "Although the name is inspired by the teleportation commonly used in fiction, current technology provides no possibility of anything resembling the fictional form of teleportation. While it is possible to teleport one or more qubits of information between two (entangled) atoms,[1][2][3] this has not yet been achieved between molecules or anything larger." "See also" doesn't mean "exactly the same topic".JMP EAX (talk) 19:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: They certainly don't need to be the same topic, but they should be in some way related. 'Teleport' is pure jargon in the context of quantum communication. The concept the jargon describes has no resemblance to the fictional concept. I've reverted the addition. Skippydo (talk) 04:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Quantum teleportation]] see-also link 

message: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83025121/1878-10-23/ed-1/seq-4/
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/65763678
Here are a couple earlier uses of the word "teleport." Hopefully someone could add this, as I have absolutely no interest in rewriting the article to correct it. Ana Rexia (talk) 00:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: .  As you will see, it hardly required a rewrite. General Ization Talk    01:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  inaccuracy in etymology section 

message: http://www.mirror.co.uk/science/scientists-just-teleported-first-ever-10780394 AHC300 (talk) 22:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That was just a quantum teleportation, not a real teleportation. Quantum teleportations are performed in many labs every day, the only new thing here is that one of the two parties was located in an orbit around earth. --Geek3 (talk) 14:45, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teleportation just happened 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Teletransporter which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 17:16, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: The article's definition of "teleportation" is somewhat potentially inaccurate and needs further expansion becuase multiple definitions of what teleportation exists who share the same basic concept that it involves transporting objects or people instantaneously between locations but vary as to whether "not traversing the space between them" is a requirement. The current definition in this article defines it as "the theoretical transfer of matter or energy from one point to another without traversing the physical space between them.". Some theoretical methods of teleportation would transfer objects or persons in the form of a energy or particle stream so between locations so fast as to be perceived as instantaneous. Thus this would be a form of traversing the space between them, even if it was not perceptible to the naked eye. While the Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of teleportation conforms to the definition used in this article, the definition found at The Free Dictionary ( http://thefreedictionary.com/teleportation ) defines it as "to transport (a person or object) across a distance instantaneously". The definition of instantaneous seems to me to allow for something that so fast as to be perceived as instantaneous. Their are science fiction stories and such that describe a form of teleportation that is like this. I think we need to expand the definition to include other dictionary definitions of teleportation too and then work to include details how various forms of teleportation are describe a hypothetically working in notable science fiction such Star Trek's transporters, The 1980's version of the fly, etc. --2600:1700:56A0:4680:F061:1034:CDB6:83C (talk) 00:00, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues with the definition of teleportation used in this lead of article 

message: Teleportation is a very popular thing/topic, so I think this article should be expanded. What will these new sections (or there could be one section) be about I do not know. I tried to put in an expand article template, but then this showed up:
There was an error since that template wasn't recommended. So please expand this article. 2601:205:4100:CB5B:8D6C:665C:4BF0:81C5 (talk) 15:45, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please expand this article 

message: References to the antiteleportation and antireincernation sciences papers and communities? Teleportations and reincernation (religions) is killing and cloning. 2A02:AA11:9102:3D80:151:1EDD:DC16:1079 (talk) 16:56, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antibioteleportation