Talk:Carlisle

message: This article has some bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.151.237.194 (talk) 21:32, 9 February 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Only some?  Let's try harder, people! --  02:26, 9 March 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

message: In rewriting the thing about the cursed stone, I deliberately avoided the word "tabled".  While I agree that british articles should be written in british english, "tabled" means essentially the opposite of what you'd imagine in american english, and thus ran the risk of really confusing some poor yank reading the article.  In britspeak, "tabled" means "proposed", but in yanktalk it means "postponed until another meeting". --  02:26, 9 March 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tabled

message: This really interests me and I'd like to hear more about it, especially since I actually am a Carlisle. RcSamurai — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.187.122 (talk) 06:45, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Curse

message: If you look in the history of this page you'll see I tried to put in a picture of the flood I took, but it didn't align quite right. I'd appreciate it if someone better than me could have a go. Or maybe you don't think there should be one? I do, as it is quite a big part of the city's recent history. Thanks.
Microwave85 23:07, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flood picture 

message: Ive been lead to believe that Edward I held TWO parliaments there. One in 1300 and the other in 1307. Would that make Carlisle the English Capital city intead of London on those two dates? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JAFFA (talk • contribs) 15:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To put it simply: no. It doesn't work like that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.240.209 (talk) 09:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital of England? 

message: Google returns some web pages giving Luguvalium as the Roman name for Carlisle. Anyone have a source? --Gil Gamesh 22:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin Name 

message: This article needs significant expansion. The city is of great historical importance yet some small villages in Cumbria have longer and more detailed articles. I have split transport out into a new section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.193.219.75 (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs expansion 

message: Why is Carlisle included in the WikiProject Catholicism? The only reason I can think of is that it was once like many other English ciites the seat of a catholic diocese can anyone else give me a reason for its inclusion? Penrithguy 18:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Catholicism 

message: The castle keep is well preserved but the rest of the fortress has been restored and rebuilt many times.
The west end of the cathedral was destroyed by the Scots 1645-52, not Cromwell. 
The cathedral east window is a magnificent composition of flowing tracery 51 feet high. Whether it is larger than that at York Minster I'm not sure. The York east window is the largest expanse of mediaeval stained glass in the world.
As Paul Nixon appears in the residents section, there seems little point in having a special cricket section just for him.
Sir Walter Scott was married in the cathedral december 1797.
Bandalore 17:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Castle and cathedral 

message: Kevin Carlyon is not, as the article claims, the "high priest" of British white witches. He is a rather eccentric attention-seeker who has for years been trying to make himself a thorn in the side of the British Wiccan community. He models his "High Priest of the Witches" claim on the title "King of the Witches" that many gave to the late Alex Sanders, who Carlyon interviewed a couple of days before his death (the interviews are distressing to listen to, as Kevin eagerly asks for more stories, ignoring the requests of the ill Sanders for a glass of water!). He is seen by the Wiccan community as ridiculous, exploitative and unethical.
Check out his site http://www.kevincarlyon.co.uk/. He's clearly trying to rub the Wiccan and Pagan community up the wrong way, adopting the title "The Living God of All Witches" "just to add to the controversy between other witches".
Cheers all, just a heads up. Fuzzypeg★ 00:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A press release by Scottish witches on the subject can be found here. Fuzzypeg★ 01:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (sigh) That's is all well and good, but this is an article about Carlisle, not a soapbox for your witchy problems with Kevin Carlyon. The story is of interest to those interested in Carlisle and most people won't be interested in the internal politics of white-witchery in the UK. My suggestion is, make a page for Kevin and put your criticisms there, and anybody interested can follow the link. Famousdog (talk) 13:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (sigh) The article started out by repeating false claims, which are insulting to certain people. You may not be one of those insulted, but that's no reason to be dismissive. I've made a minor alteration to the wording which I think finally makes it satisfactory. I still don't understand why Mr. Carlyon's opinion is notable, but then, I don't keep tabs on British tabloid media, living in New Zealand (and I've never even been to Carlisle), so I'll trust your judgement on that. Cheers. Fuzzypeg★ 22:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kevin Carlyon 

message: Do we really need this section listing the electoral wards of Carlisle and what type of housing you find there? Frankly, it's a bit... how can I put this... boring. Famousdog (talk) 13:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Districts/suburbs of Carlisle 

message: why does the main picture show Carlisle in relation to Scotland not the country it's actually in - England! We wouldn't show Paris in relation to Italy would we?
Anon. 20:48 3/6/08 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.206.242 (talk) 19:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed it to the old picture of Carlisle within Cumbria Penrithguy (talk) 19:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Could someone who lives in Carlisle please photograph the East Window of the cathedral, preferable from the inside. Note that it is the tracery that is of particular importance. The window always looks very bright in photos. A Photo taken from the other end of the choir, with flash, might show some of the stained glass as well. The glass in the tracery is medieval. Pic needs to show the entire window. 
A nice photo of the organ case would be good as well, and perhaps the Choir stalls, which are 15th century, the regimental chapel, and the carvings on the capitals in the choir..... Upload to Wiki Commons, and drop me a message! Amandajm (talk) 14:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Photographs of [[Carlisle Cathedral]] needed

message: Hello,
Any chance someone could start a page about carlisle rugby football club please.  I am not sure how to do this so thought I should ask.   They have a website at http://www.carlislerugby.co.uk
Thank you in advance
A 23 oct 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki login2 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carlisle rugby football club 

message: I was looking to add SimplyCarlisle.com to the external links section on the Carlisle page, but an editor has removed the link.
SimplyCarlisle.com is a new dirctory site and it provides free links to the websites of any business in Carlisle, making it a good old comprehensive source when searching for restaurants, estate agents etc in the city. You also don't just get an address and phone number with website links only for the one or two companies that have paid.
I would invite another editor to repost the link if they too feel it would be a worth while addition and resource.
86.136.237.63 (talk) 19:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This kind of link is deprocated in wikipedia and many look upon it as commercial spam. Wikipedia is not a business directory for local Carlisle people. Thanks for your good faith addition, but it cannot be allowed to stand. Sorry 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 22:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

text: 21stCenturyGreenstuff said that "This kind of link is deprocated in wikipedia and many look upon it as commercial spam". It's the link that's regarded as spam, not your site. The underlying problem is avoiding Wikipedia becoming just another link directory. Nobody's disrespecting your site, --Northernhenge (talk) 17:46, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

text: That's not how it works, especially when you go around deleting other's comments on talk pages. --Blowdart | talk 17:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simply Carlisle 

message: Okay, I removed a couple of persons from the famous residents list. This list is now getting pretty long and the notability criteria pretty lax. I googled "Matthew Begg poet" and didn't get any hits at all. Also, Charles Shepherd has been redlinked for a year or so and still hasn't got an article about him specifically, so he's gone. I think another way we could reduce the list is by eliminating some people who were only in Carlisle temporarily, or weren't born there, like Richard Madeley... Famousdog (talk) 08:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Famous" residents 

message: Ozzy Osbourne?  A singer-songwriter?  Technically that may be true, but I doubt it is how most people would describe him.  Hell-raising heavy metal singer might be nearer the mark.  Skinsmoke (talk) 19:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Osbourne never moved to or lived in Carlisle, he was left behind in Birmingham when Iommi and Ward formed the band 'Mythology' that based itself in Carlisle. Iommi sought out Osbourne when he returned to Birmingham after Mythology split. Read the biography carefully at[]. Conversely Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath could be added to the resident list. Iommi lived in and was a resident of Carlisle for over twelve months, Osbourne's later stay of only a couple of weeks makes him a visitor NOT a resident.21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 22:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ozzy Osbourne 

message: In the grand scheme of things, the lead image in an article on a place as important as Carlisle may not be as important as good sourcing (there are currently only 17 references), but the first image people see in the article is still important. A dull image is off-putting, whereas an interesting one can make the read want to know more. Unfortunately, this image just doesn't do Carlisle justice. Recently an IP changed the lead image to a collage; it has merits as it incorporated several of the city's landmarks, but it probably needs to be discussed. Maybe there's a single shot on flickr that is distinctively Carlisle, or perhaps a better collage can be made? Nev1 (talk) 19:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The present image does indeed look rather dull. The collage is much more appealing IMO. --Malleus Fatuorum 18:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the current image is dull, but I don't like the idea of a collage either. Why squeeze lots of photos into an infobox, each image too small to see properly, when there is plenty of room to spread them out, at a larger size, throughout the article? -- Dr Greg  talk  19:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I've created a photomontage which I think looks way better, feel free to improve it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:D437:700:9CCF:46E1:E831:3707 (talk) 13:15, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I made it with the wrong template because I'm having trouble typing text for the images, a single image of the montage might be better.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:D437:700:9CCF:46E1:E831:3707 (talk) 14:59, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead image

message: The section on Carlisle's name is vague, unsupported and in some cases inaccurate so I've replaced it.
:The Romans called their settlement at what is today Carlisle, Luguvalium, as evidenced by Roman writing tablets recently excavated and displayed at Tullie House Museum, bearing this name as the address. Luguvalium can be interpreted from Latin as "the place, or wall (stronghold ?) of Lugus" (a local deity) [this theory has been refuted]. Around the 11th and 12th centuries, however, surviving documents show the place name spelt Caer (castle) Luel or Llewelyn [dates, sources?]. Luel, and its variants are Cumbric personal names [? evidence], and it has been proposed [by who?] that this was always the basis of the local name, which had been preserved by the continuity of Cumbric-speaking peoples in the area, from before the Roman imposition of a Latinised version [could the Luguvalium not just be a Latinised form of a British name, like Londinium etc?  There's no evidence for an imposition here]]. The fact that Cumbria (from Cymru or similar roots) was held by the Celtic kings of Rheged in the 9th century [there's no evidence Rheged still existed this late] may have stimulated a revival of the Cumbric language and reinstatement of earlier Celtic place-names. Cumbric is no longer spoken, but the surviving Welsh language has Caerliwelydd as the modern name for Carlisle. Scots Gaelic has Cathair Luail as the modern name.
Psammead (talk) 20:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toponymy 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
No consensus to move.  I would recommend that this not be renominated again for a while unless there is something new.  Vegaswikian (talk) 05:14, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Put me down in support the next time this comes up. One side's editors may have been impolitic and overly hasty in resubmitting the votes above but, regardless, this page is the , the other side's various editors' misunderstandings of that concept aside. (Of course I am also in support of merging the bizarre City of Carlisle page here as well, so that would clearly establish this as the primary topic in everyone's eyes.) — LlywelynII 09:23, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 

message: The article has not mention that carlisle is a city, although the wider borough holds the city status many other in a similar position such as preston mention that they are a city. Currently as it currently only says county town which would imply that Carlisle is a town when it is not.C. 22468   Talk to me 12:54, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because it's the borough which holds city status; the difference between the two is illustrated by the fact the settlement has a population of about 72,000 while about 101,000 live in the borough (according to the 2001 census). Nev1 (talk) 13:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it be better to describe it as 'Carlisle Cathedral city and the County Town of Cumbria as just having the world County Town implies its a town.C. 22468   Talk to me 13:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

text: I have to say the whole "but the 'city' title applies to the whole area" reasoning just strikes me as ultra-pedantism in the extreme. Does anyone honestly think that when the title city was given to carlisle or when rejigged in 1974 it was meant to imply 400 sq miles of sheep grazing rather than the built-up area? Surely it makes more sense to say the area is administered by the city of carlisle (through carlisle city council) rather than actually being the city of carlisle? AnonymousCoward (talk) 10:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The district is due to be abolished and merged so it will be interesting to see what happens to the city status? Presumably either a civil parish will be formed or it will go to a charter trustees. When more is known this should at least be added to the district article. Crouch, Swale (talk)  19:14, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  City 

message: Should probably just be moved to Curse of Carlisle rather than being treated as a section of the page here. Is currently ridiculously in violation of  and needs a complete rewrite by someone familiar with (but not virulently partisan about) the stone controversy. — LlywelynII 09:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Curse

message: The Carlisle City Flag and Coat of Arms should be on this page like most cities.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:D437:700:557D:84CE:8FA:76D1 (talk) 01:41, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: See City of Carlisle, but I don't know how the city differs from the district. --Northernhenge (talk) 19:38, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I think it should be on this page too, and the yellow city flag that flies over the old town hall & outside the civic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:D437:700:3810:285F:D5A2:C6F3 (talk) 22:43, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

text: It was my post that I deleted because of confusion between the settlement and district. I think the infobox is quite limiting and perhaps it should be changed to a settlement one. The settlement of Carlisle seems to be a city too but I'm not sure. A lot of information from the district page could be placed on to this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:D437:700:6472:F4A2:8897:7374 (talk) 01:44, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

text: I understand the problem. Please see my post immediately above this one. This article is about the smaller urban area, not the larger district but the names are often confusing. It's unusual to delete material from a talk page - please see Wikipedia:TPO for guidelines. It's better to reply to a comment instead of deleting it. Thanks for your efforts --Northernhenge (talk) 21:49, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  City Flag/Coat of Arms 

message: There seems to be an edit skirmish starting about Carlisle's population. The map at Visit Cumbria shows the county of Cumbria divided into large districts, one of which has the name "Carlisle". The map at the County Council shows the urban areas in Cumbria, one of which is also called "Carlisle". The urban area is much smaller than the wider district and therefore has a smaller population. This particular article is about the urban area so the smaller population figure is appropriate. --Northernhenge (talk) 20:26, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population debate 

message: This link was added to the article after discussion on the WP Reliable Sources Noticeboard. See: WP:RSN exercise. No information from the CCHT link has been put into the body of the article in the form of citations because it has not yet been verified for 100% accuracy by the Victoria County History project for Cumbria. (This will take some years to do).  Laplacemat (talk) 10:47, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  CCHT external link 

message: The following sentence is a non sequitur; I've moved it here in the hope that something might be gleaned from it...
Because Carlisle meant so much to King Arthur, it is also believed that King Arthur lived out his final days at a castle in Brittany, that has since been named the Château de Kerduel, situated a few miles from the Isle of Aval, thought to be the mythical island of Avalon. Bibliosporias (talk) 11:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arthurian legend 

message: I can't find any mention of Colin Seel who was a First Division and FA Cup Referee. Quite a celebratory in the 1970s. He grew up in Carlisle and still lives there. I think he deserves a mention.
Cheryl Higham 77.102.117.160 (talk) 21:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colin Seel Football Referee 

message: I know the article has cited a source but that source is wrong.  The theatre was situated towards the northern end of Lowther Street opposite what is now the entrance to The Lanes Car Park.  The former Littlewoods department store (now part of the M&S store) was a cinema. Penrithguy (talk) 19:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her Majesty's Theatre