Talk:List of conflicts in Ireland

message: How shall we include battles fought by, and of great significance to, Irish people which occoured outside Ireland? Examples such as Stoke in 1487, Bolounge in 1541, Fontenoy in 1745, the First and Second Battle of Bull Run (1861/62), and so on? I am not suggesting we list them exclusively under our current article, but surely we can agrument what we have to include them in some suitable manner? Fergananim
Interesting point here. Most countries, eg England, would have the majority of their battles fought overseas. The difference in our case is that Irish troops overseas were always fighting in other people's armies. If we were going to have section like this, I'd put in battles of the Scottish Civil War, which were mainly fought by an Irish Confederate expeditionary force, Fontenoy and other battles fought by the continental Irish Brigades serving with France and Spain, the Napoleonic battles that Irish soldiers in the British army fought in. Likewise the Boer war and WWI. And possibly the American Civil War battles as well. The only problem here is that while Irish troops fought in all these battles, were they IRISH battles? For example, because Gurka troops took Monte Casino in the Second World War, does this make it a "Nepalese" battle? I don't know.Jdorney 10:08, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish Battles Abroad

message: I have never heard of the above. Is this for real or is someone full of BS?.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inchiquin (talk • contribs) 13:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1760 French capture of Carrickfergus 

message: If you look at the August viewing stastics of the articles on major Irish conflicts there is an interesting pattern:
The Troubles- c.30,000 views in August 08; 
Irish War of Independence- 13,000 views; 
1798 rebellion- 6,000; 
Williamite & Confederate wars- Both 2,000; 
Nine Years War- 1,000 views;
Each older war generates roughly half as much interest as the one after it. 
Inchiquin (talk) 14:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Conflicts- Viewing Statistics 

message: Specifically the 7th Cavalry whose famous song The Gary Owen consisted of noncommissioned officers and enlisted personnel heavily populated by Irish immigrants. This unit of  Western Frontier fame with its famous leader Gen. George Armstrong Custer fought battles on the Western frontier until its last at the Little Bighorn. More significant was the loss by a modern army to aborigines. Much of the personnel of the Army of the West in the US consisted of Irish expatriots.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.70.117.130 (talk) 03:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish in other countries battles 

message: Most of the battles listed here, particularly those of the Middle Ages, are not linked to any article. This is fine however I think a reference should be cited; as far as anyone can tell most of these battles could have been just made up.
I don't doubt that most (if not all) the battles cited here are genuine, but a reference should be included as a matter of course. 
I'll see if I can add some refs of my own in the meantime.Inchiquin (talk) 06:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References needed 

message: Looking over this list, I notice that the range of engagements range from those involving tens of thousands of soldiers (e.g some battles of the Williamite Wars) to those invloving only a few dozen fighters in all (particularly those conflicts of the Independence war).
The crucial question is, how do you define a battle?. Obviously there will be countless opinions on this, but I feel that a battle is a military engagement invlving hundreds of troops, at the very minimum. I would settle on a figure of 500 + combatants, although I would be pretty flexible here. Secondly, I think a battle has to last a significant length of time, a firefight lasting a few minutes can not really be called a battle.
In my view, some of the engagements of the Irish War of Independence should not really be included in the list of battles; most of them involve only a few dozen fighters overall. I am not saying these engagements were not important, but I think it is pushing things to call these battles. 
The problem is, if we include these sort of small engagements, this list could blow out to include hundreds more fights from other periods: think of how many raids and fights took place just in the Nine Years War, or in the Confederates War, for example. 
As a result, I think these smaller engagements need to be cut back; obviously these can be include in an article covering the war in more detail but they probably should not be listed here as 'battle' Inchiquin (talk) 03:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, as I wrotea few years ago. See the 'definition of a battle' section above. Jdorney (talk) 21:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the response. To avoid disputes I prefer to announce my intentions before I make a major change of this kind. But as there do not seem to be any objections I'll promptly cut the list down to size.Inchiquin (talk) 10:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

text:  I have deleted several engagemets from the Irish War of Independence for the reasons mentioned above. I am also tempted to delete the battle of At Tiri & Carrickfergus (1760) but I'll leave them for now.Inchiquin (talk) 11:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle 

message: Recently, Leanseahy removed the section on conflicts involving the Irish Defense Forces. The edit was summarized as 'Added content.' I had thought to replace the situation, but another user (since retired) had previously moved the article from 'list of Irish battles' to 'list of conflicts in Ireland'. I do not believe that title is best for this list. If it is, the lead must be changed. At present it reads: "This is a list of major military engagements throughout Irish history". The lead is more ambitious and inclusive than the title, and previous discussions on the talk page seem to support that. I propose that we:
#Rename the article to List of Irish conflicts
#Return the section on Defense Forces
#Improve the lead so that it isn't an incomplete sentence ending with a colon, but a clear explanation of the nature of the list 
#Set a standard for Irish conflicts abroad including:
##Irish troops in the Defense Forces
##Poltical or social involvement such as early alliances or sending troops to honor a leader (say, to support a Scottish clan)
##Forces largely defined by being Irish such as St. Patrick's Battalion, various  Wild Geese forces, Kerns, and Irish Gallowglasses.
##But not distributed Irish forces, as in say, the US Civil War.
#Organize the talk page for readability (Indent replies to comments, consider uniting entries that fall under the the themes of 'what is a battle?' and 'how to treat conflicts abroad')
#Start presenting centuries and larger conflicts in tables like those at List of battles involving the Kingdom of Scotland.
~ Fiachaire (talk) 14:45, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Defense Forces and a proposed standard for inclusion.