Talk:Mystery fiction

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::If the consensus was to keep this page isn't it time to remove the deletion banner? Martha1958 22:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Votes for deletion

message: What, no mention of Sherlock Holmes? I assure you, the popularity of mystery stories is not entirely because of the actions of the Hardy Boys.Phoenix Song 02:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: History Section

message: Most noticeably, the summary for this article seems to be incorrect.  The summary claims "Mystery fiction is a distinct subgenre of detective fiction ... [but] it does not require a crime to have occurred."  The article for detective fiction claims that "Detective fiction is a branch of crime fiction," and crime fiction obviously requires a crime to have occurred.  For mystery fiction to be a subgenre of detective fiction, it must also be a subgenre of crime fiction, which this article's summary rules out.
I would contend that mystery fiction is not a subgenre of detective fiction at all.  More likely, detective fiction descends from both crime fiction and mystery fiction, since detective fictions involve both crime and mystery.  If this is true, then the remainder of the article is likely incomplete, since it mostly covers novels that do not fit under the smaller umbrella of detective fiction.  AbsoluteFlatness 02:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree--this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Unfortunately, I'm not well-informed enough to rewrite it competently. --Wintersweet 05:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccurate?

message: All external links except for "Mystery Writers of America", "A Guide to Classic Mystery and Detection" and "Crime Fiction" seems rather book mail-order spam and advertising to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.57.41.145 (talk • contribs) 18:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  external link section spam 

message: Wikipedia's page on William Godwin states the his book Things as They Are or The Adventures of Caleb Williams is considered to be the first true mystery novel. It predates Poe's work by some four decades. Well? —Morganfitzp 13:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The first mystery novel?

message: You might want to include the different types of mysteries, such as locked room mysteries. Also, you failed to mention Mary Roberts Rinehart, but she had a big part in the history of mystery fiction. Her first mystery novel, The Circular Staircase, was published in 1908. She was a very successful mystery author and set the stage for Agatha Christie's success in the 1920's.
Contact if he is still active, Allen J Hubin, probably the most knowledgable recent reviewer and critic--SHAMON 18:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mary Roberts Rinehart should be mentioned in the history

message: Shouldn't this just be moved to mystery? MahangaTalk 01:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: move to mystery?

message: There was a link to a specific mystery novel (The Big Bow Mystery by Israel Zangwill which I've moved to the locked room mystery article because it said that I believe it is more appropriate there -- it seems as though the links for this article should all have to do with the topic of mysteries in general and not to a specific novel.  Besides, the same link is available through the Israel Zangwill article. Accounting4Taste 03:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A specific novel 

message: Try limit the references to crime and detective fiction. It makes it seem like that's all mystery fiction is. They've already got their own articles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.235.86 (talk) 20:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mystery does not mean 'crime fiction'

message: Casting vote let the plain name be the disambig page Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:38, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Mystery (fiction) → Mystery — Mystery currently redirects here, therefore this article has already been recognized as the primary target for the term "Mystery". As such, the qualifier "(fiction)" is unnecessary. —Neelix (talk) 00:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: The current page implies mystery stories are always about a crime being investigated by a detective. However, to my knowledge, a mystery is any story which presents one or more mysteries at the start, gives clues to solve this mystery throughout the story, then solves this mystery at the end of the story, regardless of whether a crime was involved in a mystery. Dictionary.com agrees with me:
:a novel, short story, play, or film whose plot involves a crime or other event that remains puzzlingly unsettled until the very end
I'm not well versed in literature, so I can't give any literature examples, but for example the visual novel Ever17 features a story where the mysteries are 'why did this incident occur?' and 'why are there impossible differences between the stories in the different playthroughs?', lots of hints are given throughout the entire game and the entire thing isn't solved until the final playthrough. Surely this would count as a mystery, even though no crime is committed during the entire story? VDZ (talk) 13:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narrowness of scope 

message: Maximilianklein (talk) 23:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: WorldCat Genres

message: "as people began to read over time, they became more individualistic in their thinking. As people became more individualistic in their thinking, they developed a respect for human reason and the ability to solve problems."
The above statement is a theory, not a fact, and should not be stated as a fact.  I don't even know where to begin with how problematic this theory is.  For the purpose of this article I think we need to stick with measurable facts i.e. when the first mystery fiction was published, when and where mystery fiction became popular. And leave hypothesizing about why for the scholars. Or have a section listing theories of why it is popular.  But as it stands the above quote is entirely inappropriate. Sheherazahde (talk) 00:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The difference between fact and theory 

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message: Greetings:
I read the Penguin editions of Jane Austen's novels, purchased years ago. Penguin Books always have interesting and detailed "Introduction" sections written by various experts in the field of literature and the subject in particular. I believe it is in the "Introduction" to Emma where I read that the sub-plot involving Jane Fairfax and the piano she received as a gift, from an unknown benefactor, was a very early example of a mystery, if not the first example, found in a novel. The townsfolk, especially Emma, were keen to know who the giver was and tried to deduce the givers identity. Austen incorporates clues into the novel so that readers can also work at deduction.
Does anyone have any information on the status of the novel, Emma, as an early example of a mystery? Thank you for your help, Wordreader (talk) 02:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early example of a mystery? 

message: The section "Classification" should be more in-line with Category:Mystery_fiction. Perhaps some of this article should be in a new Mystery literature article instead of a redirect here. StrayBolt (talk) 21:18, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classifications and Categories 

message: I've never heard anybody say "mystery fiction." It's just "Mystery!." I'd like to rename this page "Mystery (genre)" but I see that's already a redirect page. Does this mean that somebody has strong opinions about this? If so, please share them.--Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Using the template just to make sure. --Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 04:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mystery (genre) 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn   (t · c) buidhe 09:42, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Mystery fiction →  – Most people just call it "Mystery"; "Mystery fiction" is a term only used by librarians. Not that big a deal -- I'll probably drop the idea if anybody disagrees. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 04:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I did. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:47, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 17 April 2021 

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