Talk:Zürich/Archive 2

message: Note: There is a new poll here on this page. The old straw poll has been archived at Talk:Switzerland/Archive_3 Nobbie 12:52, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

message: #Support - Nobbie 09:46, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: #Oppose. I, as a native English speaker, have always spelt it Zürich. Zurich just looks wrong. And I would dispute that the latter spelling is much more common in English - not in the UK at least. If there's an accepted English version of a name then we should use it (Venice, Cologne etc), but in this case I don't think so. -- Necrothesp 10:09, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose 

message: #weak oppose, see comments  abstain, changed my mind, prefer to stay neutral on this. dab (ᛏ) 13:15, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other

message: * comment. I, as a native English speaker, have always spelt it Zürich. Zurich just looks wrong. And I would dispute that the latter spelling is much more common in English - not in the UK at least. If there's an accepted English version of a name then we should use it (Venice, Cologne etc), but in this case I don't think so. -- Necrothesp 10:09, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: English "Zürich" is more common than "Zurich"

message: (E.g. not worth the bother; do not agree that naming policy requires it to be there; assert de facto policy that when common and native names differ only by diacritical marks the native name should be used; do not agree with naming policy). 
Umlauts are used in English. Zürich is how it's often spelt. James F. (talk) 10:39, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Umlauts in English? Böllocks! --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:11, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  What about "naïve", then? James F. (talk) 18:39, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: That's a diaeresis, not an umlaut.Grace Note 09:55, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Zurich" is more common but this is not a good reason for moving the article there. 

message: I miss data of the Zurich Greater Area: the population is in fact 1'100'000 and not only the ca. 350'000 which represent only "Zurich intra muros" - and not the political, economic and cultural reality of the city. L.Dwenoff
:The Greater Zürich Area? I guess you mean the Canton of Zürich. The city itself has a small population, as 342'133 citizens in 2004. This includes several communities e.g. Oerlikon. --Perconte 18:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now i see. Well there are no such datas in the official statistics as far i've seen.   If you take a look at greaterzuricharea.ch there they mention a number of about 3 million peoples, this includes employees from other cities as Basel, Luzern, Bern. --Perconte 19:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: The following text reads like it was taken from Zurich's business development department - it should either be removed entirely or at least rewritten to make it more encyclopaediac. There was a report today claiming Zurich has the highest quality of living of any city in the world (from mercer or imercer, depending on the report), which is why I came to this page...
 6 Business
 Zürich is a leading financial center and has repeatedly been proclaimed the city with the best quality of life anywhere in the world. The Greater Zurich Area is Switzerland’s economic center and home to a vast number of international companies.
 The Greater Zurich Area unites the most important factors for your business success:
    * Low taxes and attractive tax models
    * Qualified, multilingual manpower
    * Quality and safety in the heart of Europe
    * Key technologies for the future
    * A relaxed life, productive working environment and broad range of cultural and recreational offerings
sheridan 19:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Business

message: I'm not convinced the Einsiedeln Abbey should be featured among the churches in this article. While the other three churches mentioned here are located within the city limits, the Einsiedeln Abbey lies in a different canton (Schwyz), approximately 40 km outside the city of  Zurich. It takes at least 45 minutes to get there by public transportation and you have to change trains in Wädenswil.
I don't think so. I was in Zurich and the Abbey is in fact in the final metropolitan area. You mention it: It's just 45 min. with the metro (s-bahn in german, i think...).
Y., from Japan.
:Fair enough. Being a native Zürcher I suppose my concept of distance differs quite a bit from that of a person visiting from abroad. On the other hand, if we expand the perimeter to anything that can be reached from Zurich within 45 minutes, we might include more churches and other sites that do not lie within the city (or even canton) of Zurich. For an online tourist guide this would make absolute sense. However, this being an encyclopedic article on the city of Zurich, the doubts remain as to whether the Abbey should be included here. But I will leave it at that.  Sluzzelin 05:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Wikipedia is not a tourist guide. Einsiedeln is not part of Zurich, neither now nor historically, and hence it falls completely outside the scope of this artricle. Otoh, it might deserve special mention on Canton of Schwyz and Alemannia. dab (ᛏ) 21:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Dbachmann, the abbey is in Einsiedeln and is by no means part of Zurich. After all, it isn't even in the Canton of Zurich. Therefore, it should not be featured in the churches section of this article. Lostvalley 18:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Einsiedeln Abbey 

message: Even setting aside the rather dubious (IMHO) need for this section, and the dubious grammar of the title (wouldn't "Reasons for economic success" read better?), the writing style of this section is poor.  It reads very much as if (a) someone is trying to sell the city as a location for their business and (b) it seems to equate success with a hardline capitalist policy.  (Note - this would be just as bad if an equivalent city such as Stockholm attributed its economic success to social democratic policies).  I can accept the results of studies (cited) that show Zürich as having the best quality of life, and even that some of the factors cited here are correct, but the way this section is written is all wrong for an encyclopedia.  It makes it sound like the rest of Europe is really jealous of Zurich, but really, I don't see the people of Munich starving.  Please can someone knowledgable on the city rewrite it, and cite sources, so it reads more like, "Studies by the University of XXXX suggest(citation) that at least some of the city's success can be attributed to a business-friendly government, lower tax rates than other nearby cities, and YYY".  Otherwise a pretty good article.  Thanks! Walkerma 04:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I rewrote that section last week so hopefully it is clearer now. Lostvalley 09:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Economic success reasons"

message: If the article claims it's generally Zurich in English (which a google search and map study indeed proves) then why is Zürich used? Rex 10:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We talked about this already, check the archive. Lostvalley 09:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: are we missing Carl Gustav Jung as one of the notable people that lived in Zuerich ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.160.12.113 (talk) 21:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people