Talk:Jundallah (Iran)

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*ABC investigative report by Brian Ross
* Seymour Hersh: The Secret War in Iran
*Iran: US 'supporting terrorists'
*Iranian bombing 'kills 11 people'
*Aljazeera Report on Drug Trafficking From Pakistan
*Aljazeera Report on Drug Trafficking
*Taliban's Dirty Poppies
*Taliban Trafficking
*America's Blind Eye
*Iran building a wall to check Pakistani smugglers
*Documentary on Iranian Drug War
*The Secret War Against Iran
*Foreign devils in the Iranian mountains
*Terrorist attacks in Iran and Iraq point to the involvement of the U.S. and Britain
*Drug Library on Afghan Opium
*Opium Trade Policy
*Opium Airlift
*PressTV Report on Jundallah Part 1
*PressTV Report on Jundallah Part 2
*PressTV Report on US Jundallah Relations
*Russians Accuse Karzai of Drug Trade
*Hersh's Video Interview
*Western Support for Terrorism
*U.S. Support for dictators
*Balochistan Online Media
*CNN video report
*Ahmadinejad Warning Against Covert Relations With Drug Smugglers
*Information Clearing House Article: US Heavy Meddle in Iran
*Video: Exporting the Taliban Revolution
:ThemFromSpace 23:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: The New Yorker article "Preparing the Battlefield" has been added as a source for the assertion that Abdolmalek Rigi is under arrest in Iran.  I can't find this stated anywhere in the source.  The nearest I can find is "Gardiner added that Pakistan had just agreed to turn over a Jundallah leader to the Iranian government."  Yaris678 (talk) 17:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously this article in the New Yorker from 2008 cannot be the source for the information that the leader was captured in 2010. Can someone make corrections? Ed8r (talk) 23:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abdolmalek Rigi 

message: Hello. The official and Current name of this organization is People's Resistance Movement of Iran. Mohsen Abdollahi (talk) 07:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Jundallah is the common name in English. Either way, you'd need to file formal request for a move, before changing the page's title. --Kurdo777 (talk) 06:08, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The official and Current name 

message: Neither of these are legit references and should be removed. A blog doesn't count as a source in this instance, or in most instances. There is still one other reference to an actual news article, so the statement doesn't need to be completely deleted. But there needs to be a rewrite to reflect only information in that article. AND FYI, when linking to a news article as a source, especially one that is not absolutely confirmed as this, do not make the statement as though it is absolute fact. Instead it should reflect the source as, "numerous articles have reported..." or some such. 
--Miah  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.28.67.227 (talk) 02:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ref. #45 and 46 

message: Hello, I am an administrator here on Wikipedia.  I see that this article has recently been the subject of revert wars, but there has been no discussion of the reverts here at the talkpage.  This is not acceptable.  As a reminder, Wikipedia has procedures for dispute resolution.  One of the things that must be done, is that when there is a dispute, and people are reverting each other, that the reason for the dispute must be explained at the talkpage.  To be clear:  If anyone else reverts another editor, without explaining their reasoning, they may be blocked from Wikipedia.  To avoid this, please talk about things, do not just revert. This will be a much better way to ensure lasting changes to the article. --Elonka 20:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not in an editing war, since I'm not reverting edits. I'm making edits which keep getting reverted, without explenation. I keep adding more and more sources which state that Jundullah leadership denies a seperatist agenda. Yet Sentinel R keeps reverting my edits and insisting it is a seperatist organisation, by using this source, the content of the source however states that "Iran's leaders are clearly skeptical of Jundallah's claims that it pursues no separatist agenda, but simply aims to alleviate systematic discrimination" which indicates only that their enemy is skeptical of their claim that they are not seperatist  and not that they are seperatists. Further this source includes the following sentences on the subject "Jundallah projects itself as a Sunni minority group struggling to survive in a discriminatory and aggressive Shi'ite Islamic system." and "The group's decision to call itself the People's Resistance Movement of Iran, as well as Jundallah, may be an attempt both to distance itself from the radical Sunni Islamist movement and to rid itself of the label of separatists." Further I've added a whole lot of sources where in Rigi and Jundullah leadership deny to be separatists. Kermanshahi (talk) 11:54, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Both of you were reverting, so from an administrator's point of view, it doesn't matter who started it. What might be best from this point though, would be to wipe the slate clean and try to move forward.  Simply ensure that any new additions to the article include a source (YouTube, btw, is not an appropriate source so please do not use it).  Starting with reliable sources is usually the best way to work through a dispute.  If there is disagreement on whether or not a source is reliable, please bring it up.  Or, if there is agreement that a source is reliable, but there is disagreement on how to represent the information from that source, then try to find compromise wording.  Wikipedia works best when editors with differing viewpoints are able to present both viewpoints in a neutral way.  Remember that Wikipedia articles are not here to decide disputes, our goal is to describe disputes.  Present both views, and then let the readers make up their own mind.  That is the best way that we can provide a useful resource. --Elonka 19:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

text: You removed the separatist motives of Jundallah. No matter what you personally think about it, we have a links where this is explicitly stated. You hush up the truth. The administrator told you: Present both views, and then let the readers make up their own mind.  That is the best way that we can provide a useful resource. Sentinel R (talk) 04:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is a personal attack to say, "You hush up the truth", so please do not use that kind of language.  Please keep comments focused on the article.  For example, try to write comments without using the words "you" or "your".  Speak only of the article, not of other editors. --Elonka 04:47, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well. Wait for his comments for what purpose he deletes the information.Sentinel R (talk) 05:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Do not discuss my motives. I am not opposed to present a point of view of Jundallah in infobox, but I want to was another point of view (especially as there are sources that confirm it). Therefore cease to expose me like a "worst liar (c)" who wants to discredit Iran. I just want to have a neutral article.Sentinel R (talk) 08:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Iran's leaders are clearly skeptical of Jundallah's claims that it pursues no separatist agenda, but simply aims to alleviate systematic discrimination against Baluchis in Iran and thereby improve their daily lives. They perceive the rebel group as a proxy used by the United States and Britain in an effort to destabilize the Islamic republic from within by fomenting sectarian and ethnic strife. Iranian leaders has said that the leader of Jundallah statement is untrue. The Iranian government claims the separatist motives Jundallah.Sentinel R (talk) 17:10, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Hah. Radio Free Europe? Part of the United States propaganda network? Offered repeatedly as a source?. Laughable. Anarchangel (talk) 20:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

text: The administrator told you that you should not promote their views and outlined several points of view: Present both views, and then let the readers make up their own mind.  That is the best way that we can provide a useful resource. I propose a compromise. In the motivation to write that some of Iran's leaders and the media said about separatist moments of Jundallah.Sentinel R (talk) 04:18, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  What wording would you recommend for the article? --Elonka 05:05, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In motives: Separation of Iranian Balochistan (claiming by some Iranian leaders and independent media) [1], [2], [3].Sentinel R (talk) 05:11, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

text: You rejected the compromise. Well, it's up to the administrator.Sentinel R (talk) 04:10, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm tired of arguing. The article is not neutral, but I will not hold more edit warring. I'm finished.Sentinel R (talk) 08:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
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message: I have changed the "was" in the first statement to "is" because everything else I read in the article speaks in the present tense, and the article doesn't seen to state anyway the the organization ceased to exist. Although it says its leader was captured and killed, the article fails to state if this was the demise of the organization. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about this topis can take a look and, if the organization no longer exists, state so clearly, and also state when it did cease to exist. Perhaps someone can change all the present tense statement (like "It is believed to have between 700 to 2,000 fighters", "Jundallah commanders claim the group has killed up to 400 Iranian soldiers", and "the group shares its name with another Baloch militant organization", etc.) to past tense, ensuring that they read in the past tense.  Mercy11 (talk) 01:03, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The group has disintegrated into multiple Salafist jihadist groups after the leader was killed, see References Бмхүн (talk) 22:25, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Which one, "was" or "is"?