Talk:Overkill (band)

message: Seems like a huge number. This doesn't sync with sales figures for bands of a relatively similar profile.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:2E96:BA90:4028:F403:F564:50CB (talk) 19:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: 16 million records sold?

message: You can't use one link to an album review as a citation for classifying Overkill's latter work. I will re-word the genre description to "Overkill is a thrash and groove metal band" which eliminates the need for era specification. If you want to delineate eras, please provide further evidence than one Decibel magazine review, because I can show ample evidence to the contrary. Supercodes (talk) 02:39, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Groove Metal needs further citation

message: If you feel you have to delete whole parts of the article, it would be appropriate to state your reasons here. Otherwise this might be seen as a form of vandalism. --84.184.149.207 11:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of whole sections

message: Although I am a die hard lifelong 'Kill fan, I drasticaly lessened the POV in this article(such as "this is their best alum" type stuff). I tired to take a more factual stance in the article as well. I also removed lots of unessecary stuff like "(name forgotten over time)" and cleaned up run on sentences, ect. I also added the infobox and pics.
Most of the later album descriptions after W.F.O. still say somthing to the effect of "combining the new overkill sound with their classic sound" ect. But I'll leave that argument to someone else, As I know little about the bands albums after F.T.U.A.B.
There are lots of unverified facts here, such as Dan Spitz being a member? A lot of that stuff needs sources and citations if it's to be included...
I'm also in the process of giving each album a page(if there isn't one already) and uploading all the covers - can't believe they arent up!
Skeletor2112 09:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Cleanup

message: I talked to Blitz after a show in Edmonton, and he said that what he had wasn't really a "stroke", per se. Maybe it makes sense to refer to it as a stroke coloquially, since it gets the point across to the layman, but I forget exactly what Blitz called what he had. If someone could look into this and update this page, I'd be grateful.
:Whilst looking for info on the official numbering of the albums, it appears that Blitz himself refers to it as a stroke, albeit a minor one, in all his interviews. So I think you're alright on this. cp
: It's possible it's what's called a focal seizure, but it appeared as if it were a stroke when they did all the tests. It's not lifestyle, it's not predisposition. It's possible it's a twisted vein (from the cancer operations). disallowed link to suite101 - Interview with Bobby 'Blitz' Ellsworth by Chad Bowar. - NR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.254.117.66 (talk) 16:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Blitz's "Stroke"

message: Allmusic has Extended Versions with a release date of 2002, yet it's in this discography as released in 2004. I didn't want to change it, as I've known AMG to be wrong. --Joelmills 02:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Year of ''Extended Versions''

message: Did the guys ever officially confirm that their logo (at least the "O" in the logo) is based upon the Iron Maiden logo? I don't think this is pure coincidence.--80.133.223.142 16:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In a documentary  called Born In The Basement former Overkill drummer Rat Skates states that he designed the band logo and the letter "O" was borrowed from Iron Maiden logo.www.imdb.com/title/tt1074189/ Sabbatino (talk) 09:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo

message: I'm wondering, how many albums have Overkill sold worldwide? And how many albums have Overkill sold for each album?{{subst:image source|Image:1401.jpg)) Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 00:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Overkill Sales

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Hello From The Gutter- The Best of Overkill.JPG

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Overkill Logo.png

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Overkill - Unholy.JPG

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thread_title: Fair use criteria

message: I've re-uploaded the logo and a shot of the band. Someone needs to come in and fix this article as much as possible! --LuvataciousSkull 16:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images, Cleaning-Up Article

message: There are only 14 studio albums? why does it say 15?....unless I don't know that percific one, I got all their albums and their is only 14. METALFREAK04 12:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 15 studios should be 14?

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Overkill-logo.png

message: My citations include Decibel Magazine, a major heavy metal magazine. To the last dickhead that undid my post, SUCK FUCKING DICK. What is wrong with you? Are you a fucking moron? Did you not read the edits before you just changed them?
Fucking tool.
70.157.67.202 (talk) 09:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please mind your language and be civil. Using that kind of language leads to blocking. I don't really care about the issue, you may be right or wrong, but being civil is a part of wikipedia. I agree that whoever removed your post should not have done so (unless it was very offensive). Anyways, after reading this I thought to myself that I've never heard anything by Overkill that could even be remotely described as groove metal, but then I haven't listened to everything by them, so they may have made a groove metal album or something at some point and maybe that's what you're referring to. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry if I seemed rude in any way. It just seems that people go about reverting edits without taking into account verifiable citations and its very disheartening, disgusting, and seems to be uncivil and rude. The majority of their albums from the 90's on up were clearly groove. from the 80's back it was mostly thrash, and judging from the latest album, is more thrash oriented. But the majority of their albums in the 90's was more of a groove direction. Possibly due to lineup changes and also probably due to the fact that the original members (they themself admitted) being into hardcore (as their original band before Overkill was in a more punk direction) Clearly anybody who heard the entire library of Overkill could easily see. Also as I've said I have put a very good citation up on it. Its not that I'm biased towards this subject, its just that I'm well versed in it and get offended when people think rock-solid citations are all fluff. Decibel Magazine is about the equivalent to Kerrang, Revolver, et cetera as far as Heavy Metal magazines go. So for people to revert my posts due to their bias towards thinking "groove metal doesn't exist" seems very very biased as the genre is very well cited as a sub genre of thrash. It just seems like a lot of metalheads who are into thrash hate anything that refers to anything branching out from thrash because they (in their own bias) think of groove metal as a made up term or something that is coined when in FACT it is NOT a neologism and has been in use since at least 1990/1991. But I appreciate your support, and I do see your point on reverting it to get rid of the edit wars, at least you kept it in the body of the article, so thumbs up, and sorry if I seemed hostile. But in my view the majority of their material for basically a whole decade (give or take a few years) was groove metal. 70.157.67.37 (talk) 05:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This is aimed towards the idiot who undid my edit on them being groove metal

message: Nobody really gives a damn which you use, please come to a consensus and stop bickering over asinine stuff, because edit wars piss me off. Thanks. DarrelClemmons (talk) 11:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, well said. Well as long as both are accepted there will be no end to the wars. One genre delimiter must be decided on to stop the wars. I don't like taking part in them either. Messy. But I agree. If people keep edit warring on here we'll take a vote or something and reach a consensus. That was what was decided at WP:METAL and that is the OFFICIAL consensus. A vote or talk between the warrers until a conclusion is reached. I must note, though, that the consensus for any metal band article that has a high number of genres (such as this page) has generally been to use line breaks as it looks a lot less fucked up. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

text: What's the point in a vote? It doesn't matter if it's a comma or a line break (see Template:Infobox musical artist#Genre) so why not just leave it? --JD554 (talk) 20:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer your question, it would be great to leave it, but people will war over it so it was decided at WP:METAL that consensus would be gathered on a page with problems for one genre delimiter or the other. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 16:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

text: And you are lying. The template guideline shows both a comma break and line break being used. Don't call me a troll, I'm an editor of over a year who's made a lot of good contributions. You, however, are obviously a sock, so cut it out. I do not revert because of personal preference. I usually make sure that pages that have had one genre delimiter for a long time stay the same, no matter what genre delimiter they use. I've reverted people who have changed genre delimiters to line breaks on pages that have had comma breaks for a long time. I just wanna keep the peace. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 16:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Comma and Break wars are fucking lame

message: Well, some sock IP user reverted me. I don't wanna revert again. Let's just take a vote and talk this out until consensus is reached as this seems to be a big issue for some reason. I vote line breaks just because the length of the list of genres there, which I think is a pretty good reason. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the point in a vote? It doesn't matter if it's a comma or a line break (see Template:Infobox musical artist#Genre) so why not just leave it? --JD554 (talk) 20:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer your question, it would be great to leave it, but people will war over it so it was decided at WP:METAL that consensus would be gathered on a page with problems for one genre delimiter or the other. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 16:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

text: And you are lying. The template guideline shows both a comma break and line break being used. Don't call me a troll, I'm an editor of over a year who's made a lot of good contributions. You, however, are obviously a sock, so cut it out. I do not revert because of personal preference. I usually make sure that pages that have had one genre delimiter for a long time stay the same, no matter what genre delimiter they use. I've reverted people who have changed genre delimiters to line breaks on pages that have had comma breaks for a long time. I just wanna keep the peace. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 16:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus on genre delimiters

message: This doesn't need to be stated as "reportedly", you can find it on YouTube. It was also apparently aired on "Virus" (the video is watermarked). Perhaps someone knows what network "Virus" is on. I am new to Wiki, so I won't attempt to edit - just pass the info to a veteran...
Wmfarrell (talk) 18:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Long Time Dyin' video does exist

message: In summer 1997, the band released !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some. The album included the !!!Fuck You!!! EP, which had been out of print for some years, along with the classic Overkill EP and two live tracks from a 1990 promo single. October of the same year saw the release of the ninth Overkill studio album, titled From The Underground And Below. This record retained some of the modern influences from The Killing Kind, while also reincorporating elements from the band's earlier efforts. Some songs on From The Underground And Below, including "Save Me", even had a slight industrial metal sound to them. Reportedly a video for the track "Long Time Dyin'" was shot, but due to the non-existence of metal in the mainstream media at the time, it is unlikely that the video has ever aired on television. Again Overkill opted to only tour Europe in support of the album, which took place in May 1998, with Nevermore, Angel Dust and Nocturnal Rites.
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This information is incorrect. I don't know how extensively Overkill toured elsewhere for "From The Underground And Below" but, they DID have a U.S. tour. I know this because I was at their Sunday April 5th, 1998 show @ The el Mocambo in Toronto that was in support of this album. Opening acts in Toronto (according to my ticket stub and newspaper ad) were "JAWW" and "M-69".
As per the back of my concert t-shirt, the U.S. tour ("It Lives") included the following stops: Albany, Cohoes, Elmira, Rochester, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland, Flint, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Lincoln, Lawrence, Boise, Denver, Salt Lake City, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Fresno, Anaheim, Los Angeles, Reno, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Lubbock, Dallas, Austin, Houston, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, Charleston, Raleigh, Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Baltimore, Washington, Boston, Providence, New York, New Jersey, Hartford, Toronto, Montreal, Philadelphia.
Ogre21 (talk) 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: F.T.U.A.B. Tour

message: This page is a mess. It's full of opinionated editorializing and informal language that makes it read more like a fan page than an encyclopedia entry. For example, it's okay to indicate an album's perceived quality, but this must include links to more than one album review, and for heaven's sake, terms like "thrash-terpiece" do NOT belong on a serious neutral encyclopedia page. Granted, I'm not saying I could do better, but I think content creators need to reevaluate the tone and scholarship of this page. Heisenplanck (talk) 06:21, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reads like a fan page 

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thread_title:  Citation templates in the Post-Atlantic Years section. 

message: The timeline section of this article seems bugged. The black bars on the graph are acting strange. Checked firefox and chrome and both have the same problem. Also confirmed that other pages aren't having this problem (Annihilator)   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.60.138 (talk) 03:20, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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