Talk:Christmas

message: Please update the 20th and 21st century history of Christmas to include the following information:
"In 2023, due to the war in Gaza, Christmas was cancelled in Bethlehem, the city synonymous with the birth of Jesus. Palestinian leaders of various Christian denominations cited the devastating war in Gaza in their unanimous decision to cancel public Christmas celebrations."
Source: "There's no Christmas in Bethlehem this year. With war in Gaza, festivities are off," NPR. https://www.npr.org/2023/12/16/1219245873/bethlehem-christmas-gaza-israel Maroo530 (talk) 22:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: – Added but not sure if this warrants inclusion; the section is limited and this topic may not be of a scope worth including in such a small section with only major points about the holiday in the 21st century covered. It may be more appropriate for Observance of Christmas by country#Israel_and_State_of_Palestine. Others can add their arguments for whether it should stay or go.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 23:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! Maroo530 (talk) 01:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2023 

message: Please add additional contextual text and a second source to final sentence in 20th and 21st centuries section. Thank you!
Palestinian leaders of various Christian denominations cited the ongoing Israel–Hamas war in their unanimous decision to cancel celebrations,[124] which was intended as an act of solidarity with their countrymen in Gaza.[125]
"Why Christmas is canceled in Bethlehem," The Washington Post. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/29/palestinian-christians-christmas-ceasefire-cancel/ Maroo530 (talk) 01:45, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done M.Bitton (talk) 21:01, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2023 

message: So basically you have a single unregistered church out of tens of thousands. And (because it's unregistered), China takes away its decorations and suddenly this equates to now mean they ban Christmas entirely in every place in China? This is just an example of really dumb out of context disinformation where correlation isn't causation. And the current edits make it seem like religion and Christmas are both banned, which is not factual. What happens when some Scottish tourists visit China and see churches and mosques and that Christmas decorations are everywhere in public shops and public areas? (Which happens -https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=mPQWOUqbLm5kiRIP&v=LYEjyXOqoyA&feature=youtu.be) They will realise that Wikipedia is just full of disinfo. Hence I suggest someone to improve the article to not mislead in implying that Christmas and religion are entirely banned in China, when that is an extremely misleading lie. Below are just some of many vloggers visiting China that realize the facts with their own eyes. It's disgraceful to be promoting such lies that is too easily DISPROVEN. When I read today's Wikipedia article, I got the impression that Christmas decorations are illegal to even be shown in public areas in China, when that's just so false and very wrong and leaves out that there is a large amount of Christmas decorations shown in their public cities last month. Proof below.👇
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=vSsnnxIt0djY-qPh&v=Zc--I1EtmBc&feature=youtu.be
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=cK1qlkXQlXWARlue&v=PvoVHJjXCAE&feature=youtu.be
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=cgU3cXAZs9FQNGJy&v=NQ_3z7_DdLo&feature=youtu.be Christak46 (talk) 20:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Do you have any better sources? I am afraid youtube is not a usable source. Ramos1990 (talk) 22:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There are masses of sources that tell me that Christmas is not banned. Plenty of people go out and have a good time, with Christmas as the ostensible reason. Reading about it online reminds me a lot of how we do Christmas here in Australia, but on a smaller scale. Most Christmas events in China are not religious. Nor are they here in Australia. It seems that the Chinese state does crack down on some religious Christmas events that it sees as trying to establish a different authority to that of the state. We must, however, not describe that as banning Christmas. The views of more religious people and countries in the west must not dominate how we describe things in China. HiLo48 (talk) 02:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. Ramos1990 (talk) 00:19, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Most people on Wikipedia are anti China or have bias against China, so this article probably will continue to say Christmas is banned in China. I have friends in China (more specially I have a friend who's from Xinjiang) who've seen people celebrate Christmas, not alot of course. I don't get why people think China banned religion, and the sources they use aren't even from China/Chinese sources/Chinese people who live in China. Sorry for the rant 195.252.214.183 (talk) 00:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christmas isn't banned in China