Talk:Imperial crown of Russia

message: The imperial crown depicted in this article is that made for the Empress Anna, not the final imperial crown made for Catherine the Great and used by all her successors until Nicholas II.  I believe it was Lord Twining who stated that the imperial crown of the Empress Anna was later used by Nicholas I in his coronation as king of Poland.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.239.152.174 (talk) 05:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Imperial Crown of the Empress Anna

message: The Imperial Crown and other pieces of the State Regalia were never removed from Russia or the Soviet Union.  The pieces were sent in 1914 from St. Petersburg to Moscow for safekeeping during the first world war, and were only rediscovered in the 1920's, when they were catalogued by A. Faberge in 1921 before his release by the soviets (op cit http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:FlYEZhKQO9UJ:www.mieks.com/Faberge/Faberge-New.htm+agathon+faberge&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a) .  A selection of the pieces were offered for sale in London at Christie's in 1927. (op cit. http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/JewelsAuction.html).    It is possible that some remaining selections from this sale were sent to Ireland as a loan,or that other pieces of jewelery from the state were use as colateral, but since this article is about the Imperial Crown, and not about ancillary state pieces, this is misleading.  
The Imperial Crown itself has never left Russia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Nicholson (talk • contribs) 14:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As above, adding the section I removed: ==Time in Ireland==
Following the October Revolution the new Russian Republic, which was seriously low on funds, sought a loan from the Irish Republican revolutionary government, whose finance minister, Michael Collins, had become internationally famous for his fundraising for the unofficial Irish state. The Imperial Crown of Russia was not among the jewels used as collateral for this loan. The Crown and most of the official regalia of the State were photographed in Moscow in 1922 and included in a 1925 publication, documenting the Russian Crown jewels. The jewellery used for the Irish loan were described by the press simply as being "pieces set with sapphires, rubies, and diamonds."
The Crown Jewels were used as collateral by the Soviet Republic for a loan of $25,000 from the Irish Republic. The transfer was made in New York City between the head of the Soviet Bureau, the de facto Soviet Ambassador to the United States Ludwig Martens, and the Irish envoy in the United States, Teachta Dála Harry Boland. When Boland returned to Ireland the jewels were kept in the house of his mother, Catherine Boland, in Dublin City during the Irish War of Independence. Before Boland died, during the Battle of Dublin, he instructed his mother to keep the jewels hidden from the Free State until the Irish Republicans returned to power. Mrs Boland returned the jewels to the Irish Government under Éamon de Valera in 1938. The jewels were placed in a safe in Government Buildings and were forgotten about.
On their discovery in 1948, by the new government led by John A. Costello, it was originally intended that the set of Crown Jewels would be sold by public auction in London. However, after consultations as to their legal status, and negotiations with the Soviet ambassador, it was arranged for them to be returned to the Soviet Union in exchange for repayment of the $25,000 originally borrowed in 1920. The jewels would ultimately return to Moscow in 1950.Keogh, Dermot., (2005), Twentieth Century Ireland (Revised Edition), Gill & Macmillan, Dublin, p. 208, ISBN 0-7171-3297-8.</blockquote>
A definitive account of the loan, collateral, and its eventual return to Russia can be found here: https://issuu.com/scolairestaire/docs/vol3iss1print (go to page 24) This is as complete and academically rigorous an account of what happened as can be found and many aspects can be confirmed against primary source material.De bhal (talk) 23:02, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Time in Ireland" 

message: "The crown is based upon an ancient Byzantine design - two half spheres representing the eastern and western empires of Rome, connected by a full arch in the form of a garland of oak leaves and acorns which represent the temporal power of the monarchy, surmounted by a large spinel." First, it does not match what the — rather plentiful — pictures of Imperial Roman crowns.  Second, there is a very interesting digression in a charming book on the royal Hungarian regalia that includes a very complete discussion of what such crowns were — not, in short, closed crowns like this.  More likely, the Russians copied the crowns of the Holy Roman Empire.  The Imperial crown itself had only the one hoop, because tradition required a German king being crowned emperor (by the pope or his representative) to be given a gift of episcopal vestments; the miter was worn as the cap within the crown, in the old way, with the stiff sides on right and left.  An emperor's personal crown, at later times, was fashioned with an imitation of this episcopal — priestly — add-in, as can be seen in the crown of — Ferdinand? one of those Habsburg chaps — later used as the Austrian imperial crown after the formal dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire.  The Russian crown looks like a stylization of the older Holy Roman Imperial crown, flattened and rounded to look like the miter adopted latterly by Eastern Orthodox clergy. ----djenner 00:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is probably wrong 

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message: The added section on a “silk imperial crown” substantially copies http://silkimperialcrown.com but I can find nowhere a reliable reference to this object beyond this site and its various clones on Pinterest, LinkedIn, Facebook, etc. In fact, the only photographic depictions are of a box that purportedly contained the object; photos of the object itself cannot be found, nor can a reliable description of exactly what it is.
If there is no substantial response to this discussion, I propose removal of this section of the article Hipgnostic (talk) 23:21, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Silk imperial crown”? 

message: This is not a legitimate piece of the regalia. RomanetNYC (talk) 16:19, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silk imperial crown. 

message: Someone else with higher privileges is going to have to delete this section. My edits are being marked as 'vandalism', and a revert was marked as an 'edit war'.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:281:8200:11E6:A91F:C4EF:401B:B321 (talk) 05:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silk imperial crown 

message: The introduction says
:…it was last worn at the coronation of Nicholas II.
But further down the page there's a quote from a New York Times journalist who claims to have worn it. Marnanel (talk) 22:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it means the last monarch from the context, but maybe it can be clarified. Mellk (talk) 22:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Last worn"