Talk:Turks in the Netherlands

message: Here is a list of notable Turks in the Netherlands who still do not have an article in English. *Note all these people have an article in either the Turkish or the Dutch wiki's- and in some cases both.
*Neza Albayrak
*Akif Cay
*Ahmet Çelik
*Coşkun Çörüz
*Nihat Eski
*Aysel Erbudak
*Halil Gür 
*Nedim Imac
*Hamit Karakus
*Fatma Koşer Kaya
*Orhan Kaya
*Ertan Kiliç
*Ayberk Köprülü
*Funda Müjde
*Cahit Ölmez
*Fadime Örgü
*Nevin Özütok
*Senay Özdemir
*Ayhan Tonca
*Murat Tuncel
*Cihan Yalcin
*Yücel Yeşilgöz
Deutsch-Türkçe-English (talk) 14:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just created List of Dutch Turks. The red links have the nl redirected but it would be great if we can translate them into English.Thetruthonly (talk) 14:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people 

message: I have changed the class from start to B. 
*Referencing & citations ✔
*Coverage and accuracy ✔
*Structure ✔          
*Grammar and style ✔  
*Supporting materials ✔
Deutsch-Türkçe-English (talk) 14:12, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article class 

message: There has recently been a minor edit war over the total population of Turks in the Netherlands. 
Here are a few references stating a population of 400,000:
*Dutch News: 
*NIS News: 
*Netherlands Foreign Investment Agency: 
*BBC News: 
*EU Digest:
*Hurriyet Daily News: 
*Hurriyet Daily News: 
*TRT: 
*American Institute for Contemporary German Studies: 
Deutsch-Türkçe-English (talk) 16:14, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population  

message: I came here from Dutch Turks and expected to find a page of Turkish citizens of Dutch ancestry or origin. Is there nothing noteworthy about them? Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 13:11, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes there is, the Dutch have had a prominent trading history in Turkey since the 16th century, mostly concentrated in Istanbul and Izmir. With around 20.000 nationals living in Turkey they are also one of the main western populations in Turkey, and I think after Germans and British they have bought the most (summer) residences there, around Alanya and Bodrum. I wrote a short article on the Dutch Wiki: nl:Nederlandse Turken. The Ottoman Empire was the first nation to recognize the independence of the Dutch republic. The French, Italians and others advised against it, saying the Netherlands was "nothing more than a group of outlaw traders without a ruler". The Turks thought otherwise. Dutch traders and officials collected eastern manuscripts and sent them to Leiden University, which became the center of Eastern learning in Europe because of this. There are many things to tell about the Dutch in Turkey. You can find some information about the historical ties buried in pages such as Protestantism and Islam. Most information on this topic is still locked inside scientific papers unfortunately. NeoRetro (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch Turks 

message: per your edit comment, if the income is 30% less this wuold be a good statistic to add to the section. It is not so useful to refer to socio-economic factors if those socio-economic factors are not made clear. Do you have differentiated data between 1st and 2nd generation socio-economic factors? AadaamS (talk) 06:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Good morning. You are right that those factors should be explained. I have some data, but it is 15 years old. I will search for more recent data. But first I need breakfast :)NeoRetro (talk) 07:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I did a quick search and this is the first thing that popped up. In 2014 the average income of 1st generation Turkish-Dutch was 31.6% below native Dutch. Average income of 2nd generation Turkish Dutch was 28.6% below native Dutch. Income statistics by CBS, 2016. I will try to find other sources as well. NeoRetro (talk) 11:48, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime rates 

message: I was unable to directly archive the 2007 trouw article by Rita van Veen. However, it can still be downloaded as a  PDF here in the event of the oringal URL ever being removed. Sseevv (talk) 19:29, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't bother as this is not a useful source. The number is casually mentioned and could simply reflect ignorance on the part of the writer or be a confusion with the number of all non-western immigrants. What were you thinking when you decided to insert such blatant misinformation in the article? Did you not once consider that it would play into the hand of conspiracy theorists propounding the notorious Umvolkung hypothesis?--MWAK (talk) 08:21, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There are quite a lot of sources showing 2 million, you just want to conceal it. So I direct the question back to you.Sseevv (talk) 13:07, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Non-existing facts cannot be concealed :o).--MWAK (talk) 13:51, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wayback machine archive  

message: Is it possible to put a few things about the reputation of Dutch Turks in Dutch society? And also maybe how Dutch Turks are thought of when compared to other ethnic groups; like for example to Dutch Moroccans. Bubg eng guigyh7nyb (talk) 12:25, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stereotypes/Reputation of Dutch Turks