Talk:Mirror test

message: Currently lead section states - "..only great apes (including humans), a single Asiatic elephant, dolphins, orcas and the Eurasian magpie have passed the MSR test." This sounds as though its an exhaustive list. But clearly, as the rest of the page itself documents, there are at least a few other animals hat passed MSR - like magpies and ants. Should this part be updated or rephrased to indicate that its not a hard list? Chaos1618 (talk) 12:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Theorethically, yes. But it will cause a stir (see above). So for now, we left 2015 results. Smeagol 17 (talk) 22:59, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should lead section include more species having passed MSR? 

message: Magpies have also passed the test Myth420 (talk) 12:40, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add please 

message: I recommend the article Do dogs have self awareness, where I found this quote:
"The behavior of the dogs in both experiments supports the idea that dogs can recognize their own odor as being from “themselves.” Dogs may not recognize themselves visually in a mirror, but by changing the self-recognition test to a sense that dogs rely on more strongly, their sense of smell, it looks like they pass the mirror test after all. Whether this means that they truly have self-awareness is still debatable, but by asking the question in a species-appropriate way, scientists can gain greater insight into the minds of our canine companions "
Maybe could be added... Mats33 (talk) 01:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Any chance you have a more scientific citation for this? I can see a number of problems with this video on its own, and without peer review and more stirctly controlled conditions all sorts of things could be happening. My two cents are that this video too weak evidence to make a claim that dogs pass a vision based version of the mirror test, or even to add it. 2A01:4B00:BE02:3C00:E0A4:5C38:42E2:8A0A (talk) 21:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dogs 

message: Saint Bernard Dog passed blink test, a form of mirror test where it blinks after seeing finger approaching toward his eye from an angle he can see that finger only in the mirror. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwHcyVQsM9Y BiccFloppa (talk) 04:13, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Any chance you have a more scientific citation for this? I can see a number of problems with this video on its own, and without peer review and more stirctly controlled conditions all sorts of things could be happening. My two cents are that this video too weak evidence to make a claim that dogs pass a vision based version of the mirror test, or even to add it. 2A01:4B00:BE02:3C00:E0A4:5C38:42E2:8A0A (talk) 21:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blink test 

message: Currently the article is about the vision based mirror test only, having alternatives like the odor-based version that dogs can pass under the criticism. Any objections to including Odor and chemical based "mirror" tests as a mirror test, remove the odor based mirror from the critisism section, and specify in the passed failed lists which version (odor/vision/chemical) was done? Sklabb (talk) 21:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Sklabb, I think this is a reasonable idea.  I think we should keep the visual test as the "main" one, but it'd be good to have the variants described more fully. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any objections: Expanding the mirror test to include odor and chemically based versions.