Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season/Archive 23

message: One section I'm still not happy with is the seasonal forecasts section.  Specifically, it is too long and detailed. It should be shortened and made more "readible" - the problem is since we probably shouldn't have a 2005 Atlantic hurricane season forecasts sub-page (or should we?) we need to shorten in without losing any important information, and this won't be easy.  One problem is the section includes too many numbers, which do not fit well in text form; maybe these would be more appropriate in a table form but I'm not sure what such a table would look like.  We can probably shorten the dates - we don't need to know the exact date each forecast was released on; simply giving the month would be enough.  It's also possible that some of the forecast "updates" can be removed - there are 2 pre-season "updates" given by Dr. Gray's team, and maybe one of them can be dropped.  I don't want to sound negative about this section though, it has some really good content (the last sentence for instance is brilliant).  The problem is the reader is likely to be lost in the numbers before he gets to the end. Jdorje 07:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forecasts section 

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Perhaps, once all the reports are out and consensus is reached on what to do with the storms article, we can try and get this topic as a Featured Topic? The pages I count are the timeline, statistics page, main season article, the list of storms, as well as the storm articles. I think that once all of these articles settle down and become more stable we can get a featured topic. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 01:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not opposed to that. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 02:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It would be a good idea. We have a Featured Portal Candidate, a few Featured Articles, I don't see why not we can get a Featured Topic. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 02:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but let's only feature one thing at a time.  To get this featured we will all have to work to improve the quality and consistency of the sub-articles. Jdorje 02:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. We can certainly get the 2005 season page to FA, the List of 2005 storms to FL (those two are just waiting on all of the final reports) and the Portal to FP. Plus, of course, Hurricane Dennis is already an FA and a number of the other storm articles could easily become FAs. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 04:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Topic 

message: Huh, why is the article down to B Class now? Jamie|C 20:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume it is because, for whatever reason, some people believe that every single bit of information on every single storm needs to be squeezed into this article rather than distributed over subarticles. --tomf688{talk} 20:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: E. Brown provided his reasoning on my talk page after I requested it. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 21:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: IMO it shouldn't be A-class until all info from all TCRs is merged in.  But it doesn't matter much; the assessments are mostly useful for keeping track of low-volume articles and so the exact categorization of this one isn't crucial until the editing settles down. — jdorje (talk) 21:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-Class 

message: For each storm there are three possible references:
* The NHC advisory archive.
* The NHC TCR.
* The HPC advisory archive.
Which of these sources should be referenced?  Does it just depend on what information is put into the section, or do we aim for completeness?  Currently all storms that have a TCR reference that instead of the NHC advisories.  But we still give the HPC advisories for these storms, even though they are unlikely to have any data we include and may also be superceded by the TCR.  So should we just reference the TCR?  Or both?  Or all three? — jdorje (talk) 07:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reference the TCR first, the advisory archive only if the info is not in the TCR. I say we should still give links to the NHC/HPC advisories with each individual storms, but not too useful here. Keep a link to the main list of NHC and HPC advisories. --Golbez 08:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What references? 

message: It wasnt upgraded to hurricane... Jamie|C 13:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't see it - the NHC site is down... CrazyC83 15:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I got, added to references. Not much to speak of. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 15:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delta Report 

message: Hi Guys - My name is Cory Pesaturo and I ade the List of records that is currently being fixed up so it can later be "officially" put on the Main "2005 Atlantic Hurricane Season" site.  I was wondering if any of you guys can help me with it because I don't know how to put links and sources and the many things Wikipedia wants me to do before it becomes an "Official" article  
Thanks - 
 Musically and Snowily - Cory Pesaturo  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.218.27.163 (talk • contribs) .
:He's referring to List of records broken by the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. — jdorje (talk) 00:59, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, I was working on the article, but I've been focusing on Flcelloguy's Tool (the editcounting program). --AySz88^-^ 02:18, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Records Broken by the 2005 Atlantic Hurricane Season 

message: :Who deleted the article? and what did you do with all the info in it. I just don't understand what force inside people that possesses them to delete perfectly good, necessary, and high quality articles. --Weatherman90 14:47, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: E. Brown merged it into List of 2005 Atlantic hurricane season storms. The article was mostly padding, and no information was lost. Please don't recreate the article; Irene was not notable. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 16:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Irene

message: This is for the 2004 Season, but I wanted to get the opinions of the people that visit the 2005 Season. I have a poll running on the 2004 Atlantic Hurricane Season talk page, whether I should put boxes for each storm as they are done here. Please VOTE!
:We have 15 votes! 11-3-1!HurricaneCraze32 22:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't putting a 15-vote requirement a little arbitrary? Mike H. That's hot 19:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It cant go forever.HurricaneCraze32 20:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Boxes for 2004

message: I'm pretty sure this one is new Good kitty 13:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It spent a while as a subtropical storm without them noticing it. Impressive. Do subtropical storms count towards the ACE? —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 14:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.Look at 2000.Subtropical Storm has 3.78 ACE.70.18.92.122 15:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for that?  This discussion is at Talk:Accumulated Cyclone Energy and I have not seen anything definitive (some sources indicate each). — jdorje (talk) 23:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Thats what was up in 2000 Atlantic Hurricane Season until someone got rid of it.HurricaneCraze32 11:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

text: So we were right! I remember we called that one more than 12 hours before it was officially named! CrazyC83 16:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the report, the highest count of the rain in Spain fell mainly on the plain. (sorry, just had to do it!) -- RattleMan 21:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ROFL, I was thinking the exact same thing. :D --Golbez 22:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: James Franklin waits for the post-season writeups before unleashing his BEST of the 2005 season... that one had me in tears. The Great Zo 21:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too. Heh. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 23:28, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It depends on what part of the storm produced it. If it was on the northern side, or behind the storm, it should have been declared a 35kt tropical storm at that point. CrazyC83 16:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, I believe Jerez is inland. Cádiz however is a nearby seaport: I wonder what the measurements (if any) were there? Pobbie Rarr 09:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vince Report

message: I uploaded the best-track maps for Delta, Vince, Tammy, and Stan. — jdorje (talk) 20:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where? Or did you post this before doing it? :) --Golbez 20:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, they're in the same locations as the old advisory maps: :Image:Delta 2005 track.png and so on, as used in List of 2005 Atlantic hurricane season storms. — jdorje (talk) 21:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  track maps 

message: Apparently Unisys has a  TD27 up before Gamma.Like this:
*27 Tropical Depression TWENTY-SEVEN 14-16 NOV  30kt  1004  
*28 Tropical Storm GAMMA  18-21 NOV  40kt  1004  
You think we have a possible TD27 sitting around in the Atlantic in 2005?
Links:
*http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/2005/index.html
*http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/2005/TWENTY_SEVEN/track.gif
HurricaneCraze32 15:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TD 27 became TS 27 without being named, fell apart, combined with another system, and regenerated as TS Gamma.  They're the same storm according to the NHC, though it's very very close because of the combination of two systems (see Tropical Storm Gamma (2005). --AySz88^-^ 15:29, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then what should we do?Put up Unknown Cyclone 27? But they cant be both the same unless the NHC missed something.HurricaneCraze32 15:38, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Its just Unisys.  Bonnie and TD#2 are both in the Unisys storm stracks for 2004, but if you look at the Best Track version for 2004, they've fixed it. Jamie|C  15:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Think we should put up a mention in the storm summary on the main page?HurricaneCraze32 17:14, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe something like "It is also possible that an unnamed tropical storm developed out of Tropical Depression 27, which may have been seperate from Tropical Storm Gamma" should be added. Jamie|C  17:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it and also add it to the storm page.HurricaneCraze32 18:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm sure that occurred to several people.  HurricaneCraze, this depression should not be included in the article because although it received advisories operationally, in the post-analysis it turned out to be the same system as Gamma. — jdorje (talk) 23:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't mind this poll.  It is making it clear what the consensus opinion is on this issue.  --EMS | Talk 03:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tropical Depression 27