Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dinosaurs/Archive 4

message: We've got a stub for every dinosaur listed on the list of dinosaurs page and the Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs/missing page. Well done, guys!
Now that we're done with the first stage, the rest can slowly be implimented. I saw Dinoguy working on a lot of taxoboxes, but there are still a lot of non-nomen nudem left without taxoboxes. For me, the easiest way has been to just go into the category page, and mass add them to each valid genus.
On some articles, we're still missing the three cats we wanted to use on each article. I plan to use CatScan to rectify this. CatScan's data is about six days behind, and does give some bad data, but it's still a lot better than clicking on every single dinosaur to see if they have all the proper cats.
Now that we've finished the stubs, I guess now would be a good time to make mention of the articles which redirect to them. Other thoughts...?--Firsfron 17:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: All genera complete

message: In many articles, including Dinosaur, Class Aves has been placed within Superorder Dinosauria. To me, this does not make sense, since Class is a higher level rank than Superorder. Am I missing something here? Mgiganteus1 17:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is somethingthat probably should be standardized across all entries to avoid confusion. Ideally, in my opinion at least, the taxonomy section on each entry should include two sections--classification and phylogeny. In the ranked classificaton section, groups which are traditionally paraphyletic shouldn't be indented beneath their ancestor groups, rather, the ancestor groups should be marked as paraphyletic (see the taxobox on Synapsid). The phylogeny section should present a family ree style, unranked cladogram, showing evolutionary relationships rather than categorizations like class and Superorder. The page on Avicephala uss this system. What do you guys think?Dinoguy2 18:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Classification of birds

message: It's on the main page, guys! Congrats, Dinoguy! :)--Firsfron 01:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks but... the fact is wrong! Or does somebody have a cite that Dracorex was named after that specific dragon in Harry Potter? Bakker's explanation for the name is different, just that some kid told him it looked like "a dragon".Dinoguy2 16:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Dracorex]]

message: Been working to beef up this article, so any input/copyediting, clarification, etc would be most welcome. I only have three PDFs on this beast, and I won't be able to dig up my paper copy of the description until tomorrow, so if anybody can add info from other papers, that would be cool. Two things I really need help with: IPA pronucniation (I'm clueless), and pictures. The DigiMorph image is good, but it's only the upper portion of the skull, we should at least have the whole thing for the taxobox. This is one of the most unique-looking and often-illustrated dinosaurs out there (when it was Oviraptor at least), it would be a shame if we didn't have any good images here. Though, I'd bet my life it was fully-feathered, as would 99.99% of paleontologists, which might make getting accurate life restoartions tougher.Dinoguy2 04:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Citipati]]'' 

message: hey all,
anyone have an email contact for Peter Dodson? I fiugred he'd be a good person to ask about ceratopsian images. From his book the old exhibition of all the Protoceratops skulls sounded pretty funky, and he had b/w photos in his book (Horned Dinosaurs) Cas Liber 06:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it possible he's on one of the dinosaur mailing lists, Cas? We do need some good images, outside of the few well-known genera. --Firsfron 21:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Guarantee you that he isn't. However, you can look up Andy Farke on the DML, he is a ceratopsian guy. Sheep81 01:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for the tip on Andy Farke, will hunt around Cas Liber 11:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ceratopsian images 

message: A (still rather brief) list of this project's achievements can now be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs/Achievements. They're all all I know of; if anyone knows of others, say, before I joined the project, feel free to add them! Also: I'm hoping we can add Psittacosaurus soon!--Firsfron 21:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Achievements 

message: I'd like to propose Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs/missing be moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs/shortest articles. The list as it is now will probably only ever contain a few animals, and as such has IMO lived out its usefulness. It would be more useful to this group as a list of the shortest articles, so that the shortest stubs can be built up over time. Any missing articles can certainly be included as well, since they are by definition also very short. CatScan can be used to pull up the size (in kb) of all the articles, and the data can be updated on a weekly (or so) basis. I figured I'd ask here first before any such change was made. --Firsfron 21:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: fine with me Sheep81 01:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sound plan. - Ballista 01:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Good ideaDinoguy2 02:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks guys. It's done.--Firsfron 04:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Quick work - good list - we should 'get cracking'. One question from the ignorant and great unwashed: are Calamospondylus and Aristosuchus one and the same? If so, I'll have a go at expanding one and disbanding (or rather putting a small reference) the other - Ballista 04:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Thescelosaurus! page, which I use often, "Often confused with Calamospondylus, Aristosuchus appears to be a valid compsognathid based on the structure of its pubis." --Firsfron 04:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Good-oh - thanks for the enlightenment - it's so difficult to keep up with all opinions etc. I'll get on with it, but not today. - Ballista 05:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a book with nearly an entire chapter about these guys. If you like I can write the article(s). Sheep81 09:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then what's Ballista going to work on?--Firsfron 10:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: No probs to me if it gets done by Sheep81 - in fact that's great! - it'll be better with fuller info, as they're a bit thin at present; no offence to me whatever - I'll press on trolling thru' the CD list, for now & perhaps pick up on one or two of the other thinnest stubs as I go. Too late for me tonight, I'll do something in the morning. - Ballista 20:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Expanded Atlantosaurus & Avipes. - Ballista 04:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering who was working on those! 'Cause I hadn't touched them, and they were much bigger than when last I checked.--Firsfron of Ronchester 04:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I've had a go at three more: Aachenosaurus Acanthopholis & Aepisaurus - Ballista 04:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent! Oh, on pop-ups, sometimes you have to wait for the database to update, because it might show outdated article sizes, but usually if you just hit 'reload', that'll fix it. We're really going thru the top of the list! Makes me feel a little sorry for Zizhongosaurus. ;) --Firsfron of Ronchester 06:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Feel sorry for him no longer - and a few others from all over the list - Ballista 04:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: (See my initial comments on Talk:Deinonychus) Scorpionman's recent, well inentioned addition of images which violate the guidelines made me think that maybe we should have some kind of image review forum or image sub-page for this project. That way, we could discuss the appropriateness of images before they're added to articles. Not sure how practical it would end up being vs. just reverting but, thought i'd throw it out there for discussion.Dinoguy2 17:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have my whole hearted agreement as this would stave off edit wars and such drama... from the articles. Besides I'd like to feature some of my own art here and I rather be told off the bat if a drawing of a particular dinosaur has too much leeway put into it. Dracontes 17:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We really are in need of drawings, so if you can, feel free! We can always veto them on Dinoguy's proposed image sub-page. I'm in favor of both ideas.--Firsfron 00:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yep - I'm up for the idea of an image sub-page - just creating the page could well start attracting some piccies and it would be a very practical way of discussing pros & cons of any proposed pics before they're hung up on the public washing line. - Ballista 04:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Done! I've put there a picture you might find interesting to consider. Dracontes 10:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image review? 

message: Our talk page was 91KB long, so I archived over 49KB of that, which still leaves over 41KB out here. I did not archive any active discussions. Sheep81 06:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive #3