Talk:Charles Aznavour

message: What's the point of the "greatest hits" section of this article? It is a track list of one of his albums. What kind of valuable information does that bring across? I suggest that it is removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.34.83.114 (talk) 12:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Greatest hits?

message: List of his biggest hits? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 10:35, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a discography is missing. Añoranza 06:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Best Hits added Armatura 13:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: dont get me wrong, i like how Aznavour is proudly Armenian and i support Armenians vehemently, but Aznavour did make his career in France and there is no illustration of his star power in France. Perhaps finding picture that justifies fair use of him singing at a popular French venue would be appropriate, as every single picture of Aznavour currently relates to Armenia.
otherwise, the article is quite well written. :-)
--OettingerCroat 05:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Off course you're right! As Aznavour asks: "Im an 100% Armenian and an 100% French"! All 3 photoes are uploaded here by me:) (the second one is from Paris, 1920's). The problem is I cant find any free photo of Aznavour from France (all are copyrighted) and one of them (performing of "La Boheme", "Olympia") was deleted previously. And Armenian ones are easier to use, as we have permissions. If you find any other which have no copyright problems it will be fine! Andranikpasha 12:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 81.241.214.170, pls use the talk before the deletion of any info. Andranikpasha (talk) 15:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

text:  Yes, Charles Aznavour has accepted an honorary Armenian citizenship in December 2008 (at age 85). He remains a French citizen, though. However, his newly acquired dual FRench/Armenian citizenship made it possible for him to accept being appointed as the ambassador of Armenia to Switzerland. This is not such a big surprise. Indeed, the position is mostly honorary rather than intensely political (which he has many times over affirmed being unwilling to commit to). Aznavour spends much of his vacation time away from France, in Switzerland. He is well-known there as well. So, the honorary ambassador position, especially at his age, comes at the perfect time in the perfect location. Lifetime fans of "Azna" like myself are delighted to see that his roots and leaves are coming closer. Vas-y mon p'tit Charles! On est tous avec toi!     —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.92.4 (talk) 04:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  He was not just a citizen of Armenia, but worked as an Armenian ambassador for more than 20 years. So his Armenian nationality should be included in the article. Aramjan11 (talk) 11:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overly Armenian? 

message: i added a great screenshot of Aznavour from the Vienna concert in 1994, hope you guys enjoy it!
note: the picture must stay in the location where it is, due to fair use requirements.
Aznavour's Armenian name cant be replaced with an OC. Also he's not only an officier of Canada. Andranikpasha (talk) 16:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christmas in Vienna 

message: One of Aznavour'a main attributes is described in the introduction as being his shortness of height. Is this appropriate? Shouldn't this opinion be referenced to a reliable source? I do not personally dispute that Azanavour is short. (Nor that he's a giant of an artist!) But I wonder if such subjective assessments can be made by the Wiki contributors themselves, without a reference. -The Gnome (talk) 10:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He made a feature of his short stature in his act, so yes it is relevant.Gymnophoria (talk) 10:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height? 

message: I think the discography section should be moved to new article, as it is too long, and makes this article looks ugly. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Merits separate entry as the catalogue of world reknown artist's works; un-clutters root entry page. -The Gnome (talk) 06:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: A Georgian IP (better known as Biographyspot, and in the last time as user Aferum) time after time startes to push this Russian journal  as a reliable source on Aznavour's descent. This women's journals is not a reliable source, it writes mostly about scandals and never positiones itself as a serious source (see ). It was also criticized and deleted in Russian Wiki . By other side, we have many official biographies (including the cited sources and "Le temps des avants" book) of Aznavour where he mentions that his father was an Armenian from Georgia with roots from Erzeroum, Western Armenia. Gazifikator (talk) 06:48, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Karavan Istoriy" as a source

message: Gazifikator, please explain why are you reverting my change which is well sourced? Aferum (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: it is very poorly sourced. see the explanation below. this is a 'yellow' journal with a lot of mistakes in translation like "half-Georgian half-Armenian" in place of "Georgian-Armenian" and "half-Turkish half-Armenian" in place of "Turkish Armenian". A silly translation... And no any Reliable source claims any Georgian or Turkish descent for Aznavour, while many of them (included the cited ones) prove his father Micha Aznavourian (as well as his mother) was an Armenian. Gazifikator (talk) 14:16, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the MOS:BIO Gazifikator.  
Norum 00:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal 

message: OptimusView makes the same edits and reverts as Retyp/Gazifikator did. Is OV another one of Gazifikator's socks? Antique Rose — Drop me a line 23:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It was found to be unlikely: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gazifikator/Archive#12 June 2012. Brandmeistertalk   11:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sock edit war? 

message: Charles Aznavour appeared on the Muppets show, season 1, episode 9. Did not see that listed under film (or TV) credits.
January 15, 1977 airdate. I would add it, the muppets roster of guest stars is impressive.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.67.243 (talk) 06:41, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the Muppets guest star appearance 

message: In 1952 Aznavour had a son, Charles, by his first wife, Micheline. This son is not listed in the article.  Is there some reason for this?  If not, he should be included.
In addition, Aznavour's children are not listed in the order in which they were born.  I think they should be. The birth order is: Séda, Charles, Patrick, Katia, Mischa and Nicholas. I have listed them accordingly. 
Aznavour's first and second wives are not named in the article. This seems odd to me because it can be interpreted to imply some unstated reason for the exclusions.  I think the full names of all three should be given, or none at all. I vote for including them all, and have done so in an emendation to the text.MarilynConant (talk) 20:36, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children and Marriages 

message: What is the OC OQ doing in the introduction? Should this be deleted?
Robert (talk) 16:49, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: OC OQ

message: According to the book The Film Encyclopedia edited by Ephraim Katz and published by HarperCollins says his birth name is "Shahnour Varenagh Aznavourian", see here. 
This spelling is also used by Transatlantic Passages: Literary and Cultural Relations between Quebec and Francophone Europe, published by the McGill-Queen's University Press, see here. Historian Richard G. Hovannisian as well uses "Varenagh" 
So does the Encyclopedia of Contemporary French Culture published by Routledge 
The Embassy of the Republic of Armenia in Switzerland spells it "Shahnourh Varinag Aznavourian". I don't think this source can be taken seriously versus all other published sources. --Երևանցի talk  05:56, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And the Armenian Encyclopedia uses Vaghenag . The Herald Scotland , The Armenian Weekly , Agos, Anadolu Agency, Panarmenian  and many others do the same. As well as historian Rouben Paul Adalian in the Eastern Armenian form of Vaghinak . Why the Official site of an Embassy can not be taken seriously? It is the only official source citing Ambassador's birth name. Or Wiki rules say I'm not right? Lkahd (talk) 06:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of your sources are newspaper, while my sources are published books. And I just noticed that the embassy site spells it "Shahnourh Varinag Aznavourian", so why are you even using it as a source for "Vaghinag"? --Երևանցի talk  06:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You see how dubious your actions were. So it is better to start from the talk. We can ask for a third opinion. Lkahd (talk) 06:59, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's a pretty reasonable argument to falsify sources. Vaghinag is not in the given source, therefore you need to present reliable sources, not me. If you have any problem with published sources, please refer to the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. --Երևանցի talk  07:13, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Pushing unexplained and unconsensused material in such an incivil manner is not good. And please do not delete Ducretet Thomson as you have no explanation. Please read WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:3RR. Lkahd (talk) 10:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Instead of accusing me in "pushing unexplained and unconsensused material", you should first read the sources you add. Have a nice day!  --Երևանցի talk  15:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth name 

message: The song "What makes a man a man" is about homosexuality, sung from the perspective of a cabaret drag artist. It's not about transgenderism. The article even quotes Aznavour talking about the song in reference to homosexuality. Gymnophoria (talk) 10:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What makes a man a man 

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message: An unregistered editor removed the (then unreferenced) supposed second child of Charles Aznavour, his son "Charles". I did find references such as  Femme Actuelle  or Gala , though the latter comments on how little is known about the son Charles. The editor also linked to a very recent Facebook post by Seda Aznavour stating that "this son 'Charles' whom we've all heard being talked about for a while has never existed. My dear father only had five children. Seda, Patrick, Katia, Mischa and Nicolas. This is for your information as many of his fans are asking me to tell them about 'Charles'." (, my unauthorized translation)
I restored the article for now and added one of the references given above (also the number would have to be changed from "six" to "five").
I can't verify the authenticity of the Facebook post's author nor do I know whether it would suffice as a source anyway, but I do think it's worth looking into, as we certainly don't wish to perpetuate something that isn't factual, even if it's all over the media. ---Sluzzelin talk 13:21, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks. I see that the article at French wikipedia, :fr:Charles Aznevour, also has son Charles and supports with this ref: "magazine Biographie No. 3., décembre 2012, "… il a le bonheur d'être à nouveau père d'un petit garçon, prénommé Charles", article de Lucie Benhamou." Martinevans123 (talk) 15:45, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's being discussed at fr.wikipedia too: Discussion:Charles Aznavour#Nombre d'enfants. Yet, Myloufa, this edit definitely requires a source. (So, thanks Martinevans123, for adding 'citation needed'). ---Sluzzelin talk 14:48, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, although looking at fr:Yves Salgues it looks like he wrote abut his heroin use himself. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:52, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No doubt he was an addict, but the part of him having "invented" the son named Charles needs sources. And if there is a connection between his addiction and his alleged fabrication, that would require a reference as well. Else, why even mention his addiction here? ---Sluzzelin talk 14:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The question would be if we can find good sources to proves that Charles Jr. exists. The only sources we can find are vague and weak. Also, a lot of proofs suggests otherwise; all the pictures of «Charles Jr.» are, in fact, pictures of Patrick, the other son. --Myloufa Discuss ou make Appeal? 22:00, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know we had any pictures. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a picture of Patrick and his father and this is a picture of Seda, Charles and "Charles Jr." if this is not Patrick on the two pictures, then I don't know who that is. --Myloufa Discuss ou make Appeal? 22:13, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'd say that was the same boy. I think we'd also want to see pictures of him as an adult, if he is  supposed to have lived to adulthood. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: We still have to find a reliable source discussing the biographer's error, or even just the error. Until then, are there reliable sources listing the five siblings as the complete number of children by name, year of birth, etc., without even mentioning Charles Jr.? ---Sluzzelin talk 00:21, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Son Charles