Talk:Aram-Naharaim

message: The info on Josephus calling the people of Aram Naharaim "Assyrians" is referenced, please stop reverting this. Josephus does not refer to Aram Naharaim but he is taking about the people ruled by Chushan-Rishathaim who in explicitly called the king of Aram Naharaim in the Book of Judges which is Josephus' source for the account.
Also the area called Aram in the Bible is not identical to the region called Aram Naharaim, there are also views that only the former is named after Aram son of Shem while the latter is named after Aram the son of Kemuel. Suggestions that this article should be merged into the article on Aram is like suggesting that Niger be merged into Nigeria. Kuratowski's Ghost 15:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Josephus etc 

message: *Pethor in Aram Naharaim identified as Pitru on the bank of Upper Euphrates  - confirms Upper Euphrates
**Pethor is however on west bank at point where minor tributary Sajur joins it.
**Orontes as second river?
***Arguments and counterarguments regarding period of journey from Aram Naharaim to Canaan.
*Expand on nahrima - location of kingdom of Mitanni.
*Possibility that Naharaim is not really a dual merely having appearance of a dual - something about this in JPS commentary on Genesis
*Rashi on two Arams, Aram son of Kemuel etc.
Kuratowski's Ghost 13:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: To Do List

message: Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible
PADDAN-ARAM  Web. paMan-'4rim) (also PADDAN)
An area around Haran in upper Mesopotamia Usually translated "Field of Aram" (cf. Hos ]2:12[MT 13)), Paddan-.aram is generally regarded as an alternate designation for Aram-naharaim. the territory encompassed by the great bend of the Euphrates River. A few scholars have argued that the term was an Aramaic rendering of the city name Haran. The exact location of Paddan-aram is not known.
but also:
Aram-naharaim: Western part of Paddan-aram (cf. Gen. 24:10) and areas along the great bend of the Euphrates (cf. DeuL 23:4[MT 5|; )udg. 3:8). In Num. 23:7; |udg. 3:10: Hos. 12:12(13) the general term Aram designates this area.
The Book of Judges By Yaira Amit,  Jonathan Chipman  published by Brill
"The location of Aram Naharaim is not clear either according to the Bible (Gen 24:6 and Deut 23:5), nor according to the early sources; cf. Loewensiamm [1950], 581-582. In this case too it would seem that the tendency to glorify Judith and David took priority over historical accuracy."And more here:  - sources explicitly discussing the location. dougweller (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location unknown 

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message: The term Aram-Naharaim is the biblical term for Aram (region) These pages should be merged and the term Aram-Naharaim could be added in the intro and etymology of Aram (region)Reldex (talk) 02:20, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, after my request I saw scholarly sources indeed talking about it having different historical meanings, my fault.Reldex (talk) 22:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

text: , I have looked at the pages again and actually these names do refer to one and the same region. When the Aramean states were dominating over Mesopotamia, historians started to refer to the region as Aram-Naharaim. So I again recommend to move this page to Aram (region) and to mention Aram-Naharaim in its ethymology and intro to make it clear. Reldex (talk) 16:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge