Talk:Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots/Archive 4

message: bit of a thought, in the metal gear/ metal gear solid timeline, why is there only one rerelease game?
should they all be second editions subsistence, substance or should we change the twin snakes from the history?
prettier graphics aside, im feeling pedantic today.
: Dunno,But don't Add topic to top go to bottom--72.195.190.127 00:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the exact same story so it's still canon, which is why it's in line with MGS. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 20:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But so are all the second and third editions of MGS2 and MGS3.....Isn't Twin Snakes really just a second edition of MGS of the GC. Shinpah1 01:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an enhanced remake, rather then a compilation. Plus, it has it's own article, which Substance and Subsistence don't. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 02:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh..........works for me. Shinpah1 22:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bit of a thought

message: Please, do NOT discuss MGS4 here. Discuss the article content, not the subject. Go to GameFAQs if you want to chat about what brand of rubber is used in Snake's new suit or whatever. Hyperspacey 12:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Any actual article-based discussion was several months old and the rest of the page was just chatting about the game, which frankly I could've just deleted full stop because it doesn't belong here. Hyperspacey 23:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive complete

message: Does anyone have any reference to support the current voice cast listings, besides Hayter, Randolph and Eiding? I'm looking, but I'm not finding them. Hyperspacey 19:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't remember which magazine it was in, possibly GameInformer.  But they said that the entire cast from the original games would be returning, except for the Japanese voice actor of Ocelot, who died.  I know it doesn't help, but I do remember it being an official announcement and not just speculation. DeadByDagger 04:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If anybody can look up the data, please fill the entire voice cast list. An edit war is already in progress RE Debi Mae West as Meryl, with Mc razza having made several edits on the matterEaglestorm 05:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice cast table 

message: this guy "142.166.153.118" is vandlize it by replace Metal Gear Solid 4:Guns of the patriots to Buns of the patriots. He also replaced the logo with the gay flag. PLEASE HACK HIS IP!!!,anyone know his "motives"?--Hitamaru 17:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Err, vandalism? All we can do it repair it, and ban him if he keeps doing it. I'll call an admin if he doesn't leave in a day or two. Hyperspacey 19:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandals?

message: WTF,1up got this pic of MGS4's eva. shes pretty old now. shouldnt she be added somewhere in the main article http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161466 , she stills look ok not as cool as she was in MGS3 but ok. (off topic) my friend thinks shes gonna mil... Raiden yeah xD the site is down so you cant see the pic but that fanboy place has it.--Hitamaru 00:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it did come from Kojima,he showed the pic at 20 anviersery party. It cant be photo shopped i dont think anyone is good enough in CGI modeling to photoshop it--Hitamaru 00:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Yup there goes here where it says screenshots *new*. Good job--Hitamaru 01:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I'm sure they hired a reknowned Japanese signer to do the voice acting for a larf. Hyperspacey 22:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: While I can only applaud your astounding obtuseness, it would help if you checked the references on the page to confirm the details. In this case, Hideo Kojima himself announced the voice actress for Eva during the 20th Anniversary party. In future, do your own legwork and check the existing references. If I find myself constantly reverting your own bad-faith edits I'll discuss the matter with an admin. Hyperspacey 21:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Don't be a dick 72.160.238.141 21:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Don't be dense --Sqrfrk 06:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Or maybe since this is the last main series game itll tie up loose ends and have a plot twist like always so we get some closure...REexpert 15:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: EVA from MGS3?

message: Whats the deal with MGS Online? Its a seperate game osnt it? Should it get a page? John.n-irl 14:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Online is serperate i think, Cause they cant release the game in japan yet. the Closed beta is gonna start at August 7-till september i think. Unless its a extra disc in case. Jus gotta wait till kojima says so.--Hitamaru 16:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it's going anywhere, it's going here until we find out if it's an expansion download/ seperate disc/ standalone retail release. Hyperspacey 19:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Online

message: The source says Early 08 not April? Starwarsrulez 21:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone jus guessed april xD!Change it if you want--Hitamaru 21:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was stated in The Kojima Report on August 2nd that the release date is scheduled for sometime in March of '08 Xatticus 23:18, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  April? 

message: Made small change, originally implied the new CQC brought in interogation, but that was in MGS3. Looking for the source about the Judo but you can see it in the vid John.n-irl 15:13, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The one when he lays on the guy is Judo takedowness--Hitamaru 20:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the only judo part I remember because that grab and twist move he did on the guy he patted down.....didn't look judo to me--Change is coming and potter should have died 05:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe im a little late,but Raikov does that same move if you press /_\ in Metal Gear Online. Little offtopic,eh xD!--Hitamaru 02:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it's used in several different arts and forms of self defence, just using your opponents momentum to throw him. it's a great way to defeat opponents much bigger and heavier then yourself.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.170.88 (talk) 19:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Close Quarters Combat 

message: Im adding a boss image(laughing ocotopus), downscaled(to 70%) from the original on the MGS4 site. Felt it would help clarify the Leipzig updates which are a little confusing at the moment when you read around the net. John.n-irl 14:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Page looks a mess, who posted image links and no image? John.n-irl 08:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boss image 

message: Am i the only one who thinks thats bogus. I know he ages a bit faster but 6 monthes? Dorothy or whatever name the sheep is alive and kicking its been almost 10 years but she's very old now.--Hitamaru 21:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Dolly, and she's been dead for more than four years. Also, this kind of discussion isn't what talk pages are for. - DoubleCross 16:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  ...>.< i thought she was alive still >.>.--Hitamaru 12:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  6 monthes to live? 

message: There doesnt seem to be a consensus on the PS3 game pages about weather format should be BD-ROM or Blu-Ray Disc. I think it should be Blu-Ray Disc since thats the most obvious(BD-Rom not clear). Ill bring it up on ps3 pages later and see if they can all be made the same(whichever one's better). John.n-irl 12:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BD or Blu-Ray?

message: I read at the GameSpot coverage of TGS 2007 that Metal Gear Solid 4 will make use of the DualShock 3's force feedback capabilities. I've written this into the article, but I'm afraid I don't know how to cite sources. So if anyone could do that, I'd appreciate it.(Myscrnnm 02:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it's still 6 axis but with "nex gen" rumble. Rumour is it rumbles in different corners at time,hence the logo up the top corners and bottom handles rumbleing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitamaru (talk • contribs) 23:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tokyo Game Show 2007

message: According to the official site a Winter 2007 release date is scheduled.
http://www.konami.jp/tgs2007/en/index.html
--155.92.30.80 14:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Screenshot: http://www.ps3only.nl/nieuwsitem.php?nid=6881 in case Konami did not work in your browser.--WhereAmI 14:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not the Official Site for MGS4. Konami is the publisher,  Kojima Productions is the developer. The TGS blurb is from Konami and not from Kojima Productions. It is odd though that in the E3 trailer it says Worldwide Release early 2008, but the most recent trailer doesn't mention early 2008. Still this most likely is a mistake.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strongsauce (talk • contribs) 15:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/liveblogging-the-konami-pre+tgs-press-conference-301269.php mentions that Kojima himself has said, "Early 2008"
Winter 2007 is comfirmed --- It's in the Offical Tokyo Game Show Trailer that was released on 21st of Sep. 2007 TheAsianGURU 17:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Are you talking about the one that introduced Drebin and Little Gray? That one just says, "Simultaneous Worldwide Release" with no date Strongsauce 19:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

text: for now the article is keeping winter - 2008 release. i  could understand if it was winter 08 or something cause winter is in december and january. But you gotta think about every country's weather... so a season as its release date for a worldwide isnt accurate. whatever ~Hitamaru OK BOT DONT LOG MY IP!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.151.14 (talk) 00:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the TGS trailer that clearly shows Early 2008: http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/movie/tgs2007_mgs4_e.asx  It also states simultaneous worldwide release.  Strongsauce was right about what I found earlier.  I know the video is on Konami.jp but it is linked to by the official Kojima Studios site too.--WhereAmI 19:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Winter, 2007 Release date

message: Everyone's associating the reference to "the FROGS" with the Haven troopers seen in the trailer.
However, the official name for them is Haven Soldiers, as of now - and, since the "FROGS" are said to be twenty and the trailer only shows four Haven troopers, Ed might be reference to another threat.
I'm not going to post my theories about what the FROGS are, but I'm going to request one thing - please don't refer to the Haven troopers as FROGS while more information is not released. It might be right, but there is still not enough evidence.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.104.147 (talk) 22:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The people seen in the trailer are the FROGS, because Ed refers to them as such. The Haven Soldiers are the ones shown in the Metal Gear Solid 4 website. This much is for certain. But perhaps the FROGS are a subdivision of the Haven Troopers, like even more elite. However, it's safe to say that the people in the trailer are the FROGS.(Myscrnnm 06:49, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Ed says, "It's the FROGS!!!" in the latest trailer.(Myscrnnm (talk) 21:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haven Soldier 

message: At the end of the latest trailer Liquid says, "Outer Haven" so is there a difference between what he is talking about here and what is mentioned earlier as Outer Heaven? Or have they decided to change the name and call the PMC Outer Haven? Would like to know for clarification as it certainly can cause confusion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strongsauce (talk • contribs) 23:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both can be used interchangeably, I believe - Haven has been heard (and seen - it appears on the Metal Gear RAY's side) on the most recent trailers, but Heaven too has been seen on the trailers before.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.44.196 (talk) 19:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that this encyclopedia has a search for "Outer Heaven" lead one to the MGS page, whereas "Outer Haven" shows that no page exists with that name, I think that it should be Outer Heaven just for consistancy. Also....I can't find an example on any other page in the MG series that has Outer Haven.  Shinpah1 22:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is called Outer Haven here, an indirect reference to Outer Heaven I would assume. It seems pointless to point it to "Outer Heaven" since that just redirects to the original Metal Gear game which wouldn't really explain it if the user was actually curious about it. Since we don't know that much about the game and the situation there I think it wouldn't be a good idea to redirect it to Outer Heaven.Strongsauce 12:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: In the Gamespot article noted, they also refer to Outer Haven being the soldier's utopia that Big Boss envisioned, which obviously was not Outer Haven, but Outer Heaven. This would lead me to believe that the person who wrote that article from Gamespot just made a typo and meant to write Outer Heaven.Sourberville 10:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outer Haven / Outer Heaven? 

message: Can the characters be split to a new article? After all, there are separate articles for characters from previous Metal Gear games. Plus, I'd say there is an adequate amount of new characters to warrant a new article.(Myscrnnm 02:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just wait for the game to be released, before a separate 'List of characters' article can be made. Eaglestorm 03:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  We can still do it,we jus need to put a stub tag. but we don't which characters are major and which are minor.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitamaru (talk • contribs) 19:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split Characters 

message: While I applaud people's enthusiasm, please people, try to be efficient with the article. Check to see the best place to put new info, think about if it's really that vital, and always cite your sources. Don't just list gameplay features in the gameplay section, for instance. Hyperspacey 20:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ... hmmm Maybe i shouldn't have listed that the ring thing without actually knowing the thing. but it's really easy to know that it was for lack of Vibration in the ps3 controller but yeah. soz--Hitamaru 21:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  TBH I'm not overly concerned if I just have to nab on now and then to shift the words around, the article's come along pretty well in my absence. Hyperspacey  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.206.52 (talk) 23:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep it lean, make it gleam 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:MG Online 07.jpg

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message: I can't find a definitive answer on what resolution it will be running at.  I'm guessing Kojima would want it to be running at 1080p, and I thought I read somewhere that it will be at that resolution.  I figured someone here might have read that too somewhere and, if so, could they please add it to the side Infobox? Sits69 11:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resolution?? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Mgs4mercs.jpg

message: Can I get everyone opinion on adding sales data to the Metal Gear Solid 4 page?
The simExchange provides useful insight on sales data and they are considered one of the most credible sources for data projection in their industry.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamergirl9 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So what if its 'credible'? It's worthless to post sales data when the game has not been released yet. Eaglestorm (talk) 06:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it's projection data which has been proven to be incredibly accurate Prediction Markets. It allows people to follow the trend of the game. If it gets some good news, trailers, previews, the estimates go up. If the PS3 gets a price cut, estimates could go up as well. It is just pretty interested to see whats going with sales. Not to mention that the external link is updated 24/7 as it is a live prediction market. --Gamergirl9 (talk) 06:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Accuracy doesn't matter. Such links may still fall under WP:CRYSTAL, so don't put the link in. Eaglestorm (talk) 07:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

text: As pointed out, we don't speculate, regardless of how accurate it is. As well sales data doesn't really add anything to an article unless a game has set a particular record that its notable for, or a hyped game bombed horribly.--Crossmr 14:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Additional- in fact, unless I'm mistaken, any data created from this site will be based upon the speculation of its users over release sales and review scores, and as such would completely fail on a quality-of-source standpoint too. It's essentially an elaborate crystal-ball agrregator using random, non-accredited, non-professional individuals as the sources. There's no chance that this could be a suitable source for a Wikipedia article. Hyperspacey (talk) 00:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales Data 

message: In the latest PlayStation Magazine, it has been reported that MGO and MGS4 will be shipped together. Not sperately.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.8.105 (talk) 22:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kinda, the mag also says the "starter pack" will come with 5 maps, so it mite be predominantly downloadables... John.n-irl (talk) 03:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MGO 

message: What is the actual release date for the game? 198.88.216.104 (talk) 02:19, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Release Date

message: Apparently an anonymous user keeps adding this section:
They keeps adding it after it gets deleted, and every time they do add it, they fail to add a source. I'm not an administrator or anything and I don't know Wikipedia's rules but shouldn't this page be temporarily protected so we can discuss this instead of having a game of tug-of-war?
:Also, didn't Kojima deny all rumors of a 360 port? Doesn't it make more sense to listen to what Kojima says instead of a stupid magazine? After all, Kojima knows everything about the project.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.34.217.222 (talk) 02:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why are you putting it there as an anon instead of under your WP account? "kind of expecting someone else to do it"? Have the sources at hand as you make the edit, not wait for someone else to put them in for you. Mr 74.34.217.222 and several editors have pointed out that Kojima himself is The Best Source for any development regarding MGS4, so it would rather be appreciated if we don't see any connections between the game and the 360...not even baseless speculation. My two cents. Eaglestorm (talk) 01:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was anonymous because I was at my cousin's house, and I didn't really think about not being logged in (because I'm always logged in here). Okay, so I could probably find sources for it, but none from Kojima. I will say that since this was leaked from some 'bankable source' neither Konami or Kojima have commented on it, but I think it was IGN that mentioned it was anonymously leaked from an executive at Konami. So I'd say that's pretty easy to trust, but if it's bugging you so much, I won't re-post it until we get an oficial announcement from Konami.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barneyandfriendz (talk • contribs) 15:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

text: They said this Bankable source like a month before E3,and Kojima Said it was pS3 Exclusive,and ryan Payton said it. We all remember this from june. It's in the archives thingies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.198.194 (talk) 22:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

text: A lot of exclusives actually are coming to 360. Think about DMC4. So I wouldn't be surprised to see MGS4 in the coming months either. Remember Substance? That was orginally supposed to be PS2 exclusive, but it came out on Xbox and PC too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barneyandfriendz (talk • contribs) 14:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wouldn't be surprised if someone shot George Bush in the face, but I sure as hell can't put it in the George bush article. No confirmation, no addition. Them's the rules. Hyperspacey (talk) 14:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small edit war