Talk:Endogamy

message: I am correcting the limitation of endogamic groups from "Orthodox Jews" into "Jews". Since a Jew is (under religious law) born from a Jewish mother, members in general of this people / religion seek mating among other members of their people / religion. "Orthodox" refers exclusively to religious orthodoxy (ritual rules), while the notion of endogamy applies better to Jews in general who seek mates within their religious / ethnic community.
--Laocoont (talk) 22:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, good call. Endogamy strictly is breeding within a group.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.116.164.130 (talk) 18:27, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Jews and endogamy

message: ===== Single source =====
The subject matter of this article is very polarizing. Before making comparisons between religious practices, it is vital to be well informed.  There is a tag on this page that says the article has only one source. So there is clearly an awareness that this is a problem. By treating this without the seriousness it deserves, you risk offending absolutely everyone!
===== Roman Catholicism =====
The article says that Roman Catholics usually marry within their faith, but are not strongly endogamous. But I don't think that Roman Catholics can be married in the church unless both parties have been baptized. If the marriage is not performed by an ordained Roman Catholic clergyman, then it is not a Roman Catholic marriage! Am I certain of this? No. That is why the fact needs to be checked.
===== Adherents: Historical? =====
Section 1 Adherents refers to Assyrians along with modern era religions. Are there present-day Assyrians, and do they practice endogamy? Or is the entire section supposed to be historical?
In the same section, Islamic belief is initially described as not strongly practicing endogamy. The section ends by stating that Islam tends to be passed on through patrilinearity. The same is true for Judaism, except that in Judaism, progression is through the mother, matrilinearity. So why is Islam only partially endogamous but Judaism is very endogamous? I am not disputing the veracity necessarily, but rather, the seemingly contradictory logic.
In general, as specific to Islam, is the content equally applicable to Sh'iite and Sunni?
===== Jews by religion, ethnicity and culture =====
There are inconsistent references to Jews. Orthodox in one place, Ashkenazi in another, just "Jews" elsewhere. Orthodox refers specifically to religion, Ashkenazi refers more to ethnicity and culture, but also to religion, as distinct from Sephardic Jews. There is no mention of Sephardic Jews, though. Does there need to be?
===== Social Dynamics =====
There is class-based bias which results in misrepresentation. It is meant to illustrate how endogamy stifles upward class mobility.
:"Professions also establish endogamy: A child growing up with doctor parents, for instance, learns to feel at home in that world and is likely to choose a similar education and career."
I would counter argue that by this line of reasoning, skilled trades ALSO establish endogamy just as strongly. Specifically, 
:"a child growing up with [plumber or electrician parents] learns to feel at home in that world and is likely to choose a similar education and career"
===== Genetics =====
The single instance of genetic effect, the Samaritans, is probably not well sourced enough to warrant inclusion in the WikiGenetics project. There are other examples of the effect of endogamy that might cause legitimate genetic issues (I can think of a few). Those should also be cited.
===== Suggestion =====
Religion and marriage practices are not  topics to be treated casually. It is asking for trouble and strife to do so. This article needs to be reviewed by someone well-informed in comparative religion, or cultural anthropology. --FeralOink (talk) 22:19, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "...children of top executives have an easier time following a similar path as their parents due to similarities between the two..."
Highly debatable!  Ideas, attitudes, ways of speaking and acting, knowledge of how to charm and convince others, confidence and tactics that allow individuals to aggressively take over leadership of a group, etc, etc are all things learned (whether through active teaching or by passively soaking up) in the home and extended social group.  Add to that family and other social connections to high-ranking executives and preferential access to the best education simply because of cost, and no further explanation for the passing on of rank and privilege is required.   The notion that some inherent genetic superiority ("due to similarities between the two") is responsible for high social rank is nonsense propagated by the "elites" in question to provide justification for their privilege and to dissuade others from attempting to change the social structure.  This idea of inherent genetic superiority is, of course, also at the root of racialist theory.    Heavenlyblue (talk) 03:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review needed by expert 

message: Religion and marriage practices are not  topics to be treated casually. It is asking for trouble and strife to do so. This article needs to be reviewed by someone well-informed in comparative religion, or cultural anthropology. --FeralOink (talk) 22:19, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "...children of top executives have an easier time following a similar path as their parents due to similarities between the two..."
Highly debatable!  Ideas, attitudes, ways of speaking and acting, knowledge of how to charm and convince others, confidence and tactics that allow individuals to aggressively take over leadership of a group, etc, etc are all things learned (whether through active teaching or by passively soaking up) in the home and extended social group.  Add to that family and other social connections to high-ranking executives and preferential access to the best education simply because of cost, and no further explanation for the passing on of rank and privilege is required.   The notion that some inherent genetic superiority ("due to similarities between the two") is responsible for high social rank is nonsense propagated by the "elites" in question to provide justification for their privilege and to dissuade others from attempting to change the social structure.  This idea of inherent genetic superiority is, of course, also at the root of racialist theory.    Heavenlyblue (talk) 03:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: The article should give South Asia as an example for endogamy - caste, sub-caste, linguistic, ethnic endogamy is practiced throughout India. Furthermore, endogamy is a source of the huge amount of occurrences of genetic diseases in modern South Asian populations. This research sheds light on this - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Genetic-ailments-among-Indians-due-to-endogamy/articleshow/5052414.cms and http://www.deccanherald.com/content/623376/marriage-groups-causes-rare-genetic.html . The 2 articles are spaced between 2009 and 2017 from the same research institute however the hypothesis laid out as the foundation is the same.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.171.129.168 (talk) 15:14, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Endogamy in South Asia

message: IMHO, the description should start by saying that there are two types: one largely due to "natural" conditions (distance, isolation), the other by choice.--Japarthur (talk) 07:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadening the introduction ?  

message: They too practice this 69.124.228.250 (talk) 03:21, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zoroastrianism 

message: Greeks in general, not just in Cyprus, practice endogamy, as Greece is surrounded by traditionally hostile countries (Albania, Bulgaria and Turkey). Even Greeks abroad almost never marry non-Greeks (aka barbarians) in order to preserve their Orthodox religion. 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:25F4:720C:97AE:31A5 (talk) 10:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greeks 

message: The intro seems kinda undecided about whether it's referring to people or wildlife? I don't think "mating" is appropriate to refer to people, but I'm a bit stumped for a succinct improvement. Irtapil (talk) 12:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mating?