Talk:Cree syllabics

message: I assume the current state of the article is just work-in-progress of the intended breakup? Anyway, while it's incomplete it needs a backlink to "old" article, whicj I provied. --Pjacobi 13:37, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  I intend to expand it dramatically once I get off work and home where I have my dictionaries.  Thanks for adding the link.  Diderot 14:25, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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message: Bibliography of the Books with Cree Syllabic in: 
Steller, Lea-Katharina (geb. Virághalmy): Alkalmazkodni és újat adni avagy accomodatio a paleográfiában. In: Paleográfiai kalandozások. Szentendre, 1995.  
:: WITH COPYRIGHT, dear Tulkolahten!!!
* Hymn Book. (By James Evans) Norway House, 1841.
* Catechism. (Transl. James Evans) Rossville, É.N.
* The Holy Bible. (Transl. John Sinclair, Henry Steinhauer) London, 1861.
* Bunyan: Pilgrim's Progress. (Transl. John Sinclair) Toronto, 1900.
* Cree Hymn Book. (By John Mcdougall) Toronto, 1888.
* Cree Hymn Book. (By Robert Steinauer, Egerton Steinauer) Toronto, 1920.
* The Epistle of Paul The Apostle To The Galatians. (Transl. Joseph Reader) Oonikup (Northwest Territory), S.A.
* The Acts of The Apostles And The Epistles. London, 1891.
* The Books of The New Testament. London, 1859.
* The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Ephesians; the Epistle of Jacob; the First Epistle General of John. (Transl. Thomas Hullburt) Rossville, 1857.
* The Travellers' Spiritual Provision (Calender) S.L., S. A.
* The Handbook to Scripture Truth: Words of Admonition, Counsel and Comfort. Toronto, 1893.
* Prieres, Cantiques, Catéchisme Etc. En Lanque Crise. Montreal, 1886.
* The Book of Common Prayer, (Transl. John Horden) London, 1889 (Addl. Printings Through 1970).
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Steller (talk • contribs) 
The bibliography is not a copy of content from the referenced article. Yes, there is an overlap of information, but that does not make it a violation of copyright. Information is not subject to copyright, only the presentation of that information. This bibliography does not copy the presentation. —GrantNeufeld 14:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: has proposed that this article be merged with Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics. However, no reason for the merger has been given. In any case, I suggest that this subject is large enough to continue to merit its own article distinct from that article. —GrantNeufeld 15:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could certainly be its own article, but right now is little more than a stub. There are a few minor details not found in the main article, and a book list, but that's it. kwami 07:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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message: Frankly, I'm a little tired of reading about how some white guy had to invent a written language for us, because it's erroneous.  James Evans did not create our syllabary.
To begin with, Evans didn't cross paths with us until the early 1800s.  But Father Francis Bressani, a Jesuit missionary, met us in Quebec in 1653 and reported that he found us fully literate:  We wrote with "little sticks instead of books which [we] marked with signs." 
Buff Parry, director of the Native Heritage and Cultural Centre in Alberta, has read James Evans' journals extensively, and he says "Any reference in his journals to teaching the script did not mention that he had actually invented the word symbols.  ...  Later on missionaries such as James Evans became aware of some of the Algonquian scripts and adopted them for teaching the Christian religion."
There's also the fact that the Cree syllabary and the Creek (Muskogee) syllabary are almost identical (I'd link to the latter, but I'm not sure how to do that here), making it impossible for Evans to be the progenitor because he never, ever crossed paths with the Creek, who lived so far to the south that he probably wasn't aware they existed, and they him.  Thousands of years ago, the Cree and the Creek were both Eastern Woodland peoples, which would explain the commonalities between our written languages--and rule out the idea that the syllabary is only a couple hundred years old.
I ask that we consider this with logic, and not the colonial revision of historical events.  They say history is written by the victors, and I fully believe that's what happened here:  The settlers of Evans' time refused to believe Indians were intelligent enough to think for themselves, and the myth persists to this day.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.159.148 (talk) 02:50, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your ideas are very important.  Can you provide references for them?  The bolder an idea is— and yours is very bold— the more it needs backup as far as references to scholarly publications. —Sburke (talk) 09:29, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If the Muskogee syllabary is the Cherokee syllabary, then Evans is not part of the conversation. Sequoyah invented his own syllabary. Or are you saying that the two syllabaries are related? To propose a major rewriting of history will take very serious evidence. You bring in as an argument, "The settlers of Evans' time refused to believe Indians were intelligent enough to think for themselves, and the myth persists to this day." That is not the topic here. Let's discuss the origin of the Cree syllabary.Pete unseth (talk) 18:18, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

text: This is discussed in Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics and is a good reason to merge this into that. 216.193.169.238 (talk) 13:23, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Evans did not create the syllabary.