Talk:34th G8 summit

message: Not all demonstrations were agitating in opposition to some issue. At the 2005 Scotland summit, for the first time the tens of thousands of people protesting outside were actually supporting the summit's agenda of African aid.[2]
It seems to me this sentence is out of place in this article. If there's evidence that there are demonstrations with people supporting the "summit's agenda" in this case, then please give a reference. IMHO we should remove this. Boud (talk) 21:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.  The newly edited version might be a step towards improvement, but I'll look for an even more specific, on-point citation.  Good enough? --Tenmei (talk) 23:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  point about 2005 summit seems irrelevant in article on 2008 summit 

message: Are there any news if the Kosovo issue will be discussed in this summit?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.76.219 (talk) 11:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Google is your friend. --haha169 (talk) 05:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: i don't think the section title "Ancillary activities" has much meaning or is useful. It means "something else happened" without giving any idea of how relevant it is to the whole set of issues of what the G8 is supposed to be about.  
i've put Citizens' responses and authorities' counter-responses but of course maybe people can find a better title. The whole focus of the G8 is about 7 men and 1 woman, supposedly representing 8 democratic countries, meeting up and claiming to deal with serious world problems. Since democracy is about citizen participation in decision-making and freedom of speech, the citizens' responses and the authorities' counter-responses are surely part of the whole theme. 
Maybe there are better titles than this one, but i think that "Ancillary activities" adds no useful meaning to the structure of the article. Boud (talk) 14:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Boud's suggestion may not be best, but it is certainly much better. The reasoning convinces me to modify the tentative boilerplate for the 35th G8 summit and the 36th G8 summit. --Tenmei (talk) 15:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: i didn't realise that the articles existed already! But they look OK as early drafts a long time before the events themselves occur... :) Boud (talk) 15:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  what should be the section title which was "Ancillary activities" ? 

message: From the article: In 2008, Japan hosted both the G8 summit and the Fourth Tokyo International Conference on African Development (TICAD-IV) -— a 5-yearly gathering of African leaders and their development partners.
Could "5-yearly" better be described as "pentannual"? Google gives over 200 hits - many of those used in the same context as here. Although it could be ambiguous as to whether it is five times a year, or every fifth year. --Bobber0001 (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For now, what about putting that precise, but still unfamiliar word in parenthesis; or would it be better to use the more specific word with an explanation in parenthesis -- as in (recurring in five-year cycles)? I've edited the relevant phrase using the second of these options. --Tenmei (talk) 23:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: i don't see how we can NPOV-edly remove the following phrase and claimed human rights violations against some of them during massive police/military operations. Over 40 dissidents were arrested before the summit started and nineteen or twenty Koreans critical of the G8 leadership were detained at New Chitose Airport for at least 24 hours. During a "non-violent demonstration where no acts against property or people took place" according to a legal observer, at least four people were arrested, including a Reuters cameraman. (references will fail on this talk page) from the 3rd paragraph of the introduction. There may be a way of making it shorter, or maybe of adding more material in paragraphs 1, 2 and 4 which summarise the notable content of the article so that the introduction is not dominated just by the protests and the authorities' reactions to them. But i don't understand how we can just remove it. Boud (talk) 01:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: authorities' counter-responses

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** Gilson, Mike.  "Land of Rising Sun can shed new light on climate fight," The Scotsman (Edinburgh). June 30, 2008.
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**  "Support for Africa's development not just a moral imperative; it is critical to global security, Deputy Secretary-General tells African Union assembly," ReliefWeb, UN-OCHA (United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs). June 30, 2008.
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** Fukada, Takahiro. "G8 Countdown; ¥60 billion G8 budget draws flak," Japan Times Online (Tokyo). July 1, 2008.
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** Liétout, Pascal.  <<La France espère voir les Européens jouer un "rôle pivot" au G8,>> Le Point (Paris). July 5, 2008. (in French)
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** Zakaria, Tabassum.  "G8 summit of politically weak facing tough issues," Turkish Daily News (Istanbul). July 3, 2008.
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** Ibe, Paul. "Yar’Adua in Japan for G8 Summit," This Day Online (Lagos). Jul7, 2008.
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Beginning with the 3rd G7 summit in London in 1977, the President of the European Commission or his successor President of the European Union has been a formal participant in successive annual events -- see   In each article about G7/G8 summits, Lucie-Marie has deleted text about EU participation.  These serial reverts ignored hyperlinks in the supporting inline citations which were also deleted.  Despite attempts to engage discussion here, no consensus has been achieved. Her opinions  here have merit, but they remain only opinions.  No cited source supports these reverts.  Our core policies require something different. WP:V seems relevant because "the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth — whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."
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A slow-motion edit war is worrisome; but discussion can be constructive -- see  Muskoka 2010: G8 members
The edit history of 36th G8 summit records an unhelpful pattern:
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This thread may help resolve the issues, or it may help bring clearer focus. --Tenmei (talk) 02:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: EU participation

message: The process of working on this article was unique.  
At the same time, some of the steps in collaborative editing may be similar to other articles about other summits.  
It is reasonable to list a few comments about what was learned during work on the 34th G8 summit? 
Perhaps this thread can help mitigate lessons learned the hard way? --Tenmei (talk) 23:23, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
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