Talk:Bruce Braley

message: I agree with editor H Acton regarding the removal of content added by an editor pretending to be Mr. Braley. The content in question contains a number of cherry-picked votes, original research and POV language. A good, neutral political positions section would be welcome, but this isn't it. Arbor8 (talk) 12:19, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political positions section 

message: I reverted the addition of the tracker video that recorded Braley speculating about Sen. Grassley becoming chair of the Judiciary Committee. Seems like a one-day story that doesn't merit inclusion at this point. If the story persists and becomes a notable part of the campaign, I'd be open to re-adding. Arbor8 (talk) 17:39, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is definitely more than a one-day story.  It's received wide and persistent coverage from reliable sources.CFredkin (talk) 17:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Really, it hasn't. Lots of sources covered it once, and that's been it. It's certainly not a defining issue of the campaign. I'm going to re-remove per WP:BRD. If there's a consensus here that Braley's comment is a lasting and notable part of the campaign, we can then re-add. But this is a BLP, and we should err on the side of caution while we work it out. Arbor8 (talk) 18:14, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually sources have covered it multiple times.  I'm restoring with at least one example of that from the WP.CFredkin (talk) 18:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Two or three or ten Washington Post articles don't prove (or disprove) that this incident is a notable and lasting part of the campaign. Please stop edit warring. I'm reducing the section to one sentence in the interest of [WP:UNDUE]. Arbor8 (talk) 18:47, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

text: I meant "one-day story" as more of a figure of speech, not that people only wrote about it for literally one day. I appreciate all the cites, and there certainly are many, but a short burst of coverage doesn't necessarily indicate that an event will have lasting implications for a race. So I suppose time will tell, but given that this is a BLP it's important that we err on the side of not including potentially problematic (meaning problematic from an encyclopedic standpoint, not problematic for Braley, which this whole episode certainly is) information. Arbor8 (talk) 20:11, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a "one-day story" according to any useful meaning of the term, and (actually) it kinda does seem to be shaping up as "a defining issue of the campaign" here a week later (see this). Win or lose on election day, this story will likely be re-told seven months from now in most news reports about the Iowa Senate seat on election night in November. It's mentioned in a post above, but see this ominous little piece by self-described 'libertarian liberal' Nate Silver.--→gab 24dot grab← 05:34, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  America Rising video 

message: I changed the wording from "re-posted" to "released," as multiple news sources state that the video footage was released by America Rising. Anonymous209.6, if you can point me to sources that state that the video was re-posted, I would be interested to see them. Thanks, Sprinkler Court (talk) 18:50, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that the video was not CREATED by America Rising, but found on a Braley supporter's website. Since it is a contentious claim, and subject to WP:BLP, it needs better sourcing than I could find.--Anonymous209.6 (talk) 12:13, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Released by

message: The language that was reverted here is comparable to language at Joni Ernst's site regarding her comments on wmd's in Iraq.  And I can make a strong argument that Braley's comment received much, much more negative attention that Ernst's.  In addition there's a concerted effort underway on Ernst's BLP to add much more inflammatory commentary.  I believe the rules should apply to both bios.CFredkin (talk) 19:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever is going on on the Ernst bio should be dealt with there. It's not relevant here. Arbor8 (talk) 22:06, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  There shouldn't be two different editing standards for politician's BLP's, depending on their political party.CFredkin (talk) 22:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't. But the discussion here (and there) should stick to what is Wikipedia policy, not the current state of other articles. Arbor8 (talk) 22:13, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Level playing field 

message: What specifically is the issue with the poll results referenced in this edit?CFredkin (talk) 05:24, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Washington Free Beacon is a self-confessedly conservative organization, which makes its polling unreliable. Go get a poll from 538. 59.97.32.195 (talk) 05:37, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Beacon commissioned the poll.  It didn't conduct it.CFredkin (talk) 05:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't use clearly-partisan polls in candidate biographies. The Free Beacon is a reliable source only for its own opinions - it is an avowedly-partisan outlet just as DailyKos would be for the left. There's no evidence to suggest this poll is worthy of being called out here, when we already discuss polling results thoroughly in the election article. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 18:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is exactly right. Tiller54 (talk) 20:30, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free Beacon Poll 

message: This edit was removed without explanation.  I believe the significance of the content is indicated by the fact that the Washington Post has indicated that it threatens Braley's Senate bid.CFredkin (talk) 02:40, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it belongs in the early life and career section of his bio.  Plus, there's no corroboration he threatened litigation.  Per a Chris Moody articlehttp://news.yahoo.com/the-chickens-that-could-flip-the-senate-221331893.html for Yahoo News, the neighbor who owned the chickens has a history of making unsuccessful lawsuits, so it's more possible they feared a lawsuit from her more than Braley.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.161.162 (talk) 02:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you representing Coca-Cola in your efforts on Braley's behalf? Or are you just using their resources?CFredkin (talk) 03:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

text: I'm sure the folks at Coca-Cola will be able to tell us for sure.  In any case, I'm open to discussion over where the content should go in the article.  Also, we can certainly amend the content to indicate that it was the association's lawyer who claimed that Braley threatened litigation.  And finally, do you have any reliable sources that indicate it was the neighbor that threatened litigation in this instance?CFredkin (talk) 03:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Pardon me, but I have no idea what Coca-Cola has to do with anything.  Anyway, my purpose is to mention that that story is very he-said, she-said.  And although the articles do not say whether or not a lawsuit was actually threatened, the neighbor's history of litigating against her neighbors unsuccessfully indicates the likelihood that she could bring a suit if he asked the HOA to enforce their rules on keeping of pets/animals and she felt infringed as a result.  A history of such lawsuits indicates she had such an inclination and that a lawsuit was far from alien to her.  You could mention this episode in the section about the 2014 election, but include how it is based around the HOA lawyer's claim, as you said..71.168.161.162 (talk) 03:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

text: Trivial one-shot campaign minutia that has gone nowhere, and is not a significant part of Braley's life. It would be massively undue weight to include it in a section about his early life and career that is just a sentence or two long. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

text: The way it's written is extremely biased and it leaves out key things(i.e. other neighbors concerned about the chickens, how Braley talked to the local council before ever even mentioning a "litigious situation" and only then saying he wanted to avoid it, his response to the accusations, etc.)NorCal764 (talk) 08:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicken litigation 

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