Talk:Porco Rosso

message: When Marco get to Milano we can see a lot of purple and green flags and armbands. I don't remember this flag as 'real' and the color are very vivid, like if they had benn 'painted over' a real flag. 
Altough I lost it, I had a imported version from Porco Rosso and I think I remember that the flags in these scenes where actually the royal flag of Italy (same as the current one but with the royal arms on it). Anyone can confirm or deny this ?  If so it would seems a rather strange censorship from DIsney considering that the same flag is still visible during the entire movie on Porco's plane.
edit - I confirm this  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.51.221.25 (talk) 15:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I noticed something strange in the Disney release of Porco Rosso 

message: Trivia sections on Wikipedia are considered very bad form. All imformation within this section should be dispersed to apropriate places within the article.--The_stuart 18:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is well known that Japan airlines was an investor in the film, and screened it on their flights before the theatrical release - and the link you provided does not contradict this - it supports it. I am therefore reverting the change minus the "no crash scene" bit. --Centauri 05:44, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia section

message: Remember that "Istria" and "Dalmazia" where ITALIAN before the II (SECOND!) World War. 
Rijeka is the actual Croatian name, but before it was "FIUME" (http://www.croaziainfo.it/Fiume.html )
Porco Rosso is in 1st World War, so Rijeca is "fiume" and is absolutely italian, not croatian :)
If someone want to correct this, i think is good. Do you?
Well, according to the Treaty of Rapallo, 1920, the city of Rijeka/Fiume was granted the status of Free State and was known with both names (Croatian: Slobodna Država Rijeka, Italian: Stato libero di Fiume). After the Treaty of Rome, 1924, Fiume was officially assinged to Italy as a province with formal anexation in March, the same year (with massive italianization of the population, according to the Fascism regulations), so if the 1929 is the actual time the movie is meant to be located, probably "Fiume" could be a better choice, yet if it is located in a popular environ (pleeeeease, don't shoot me, I haven't seen the film yet, I'm only arguing on a theorethical basis) I expect  that the most common name found is ok, whichever it is (nevertheless, Italian was the numerically dominant ethnic group). Regards! Botty--129.192.97.6 09:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  something about Rijeka 

message: Whoever did most of the work on the page was clearly either a poor student in his english class or learned it as a second language and never picked it up fully.  I cleaned it up a little bit, but I don't have the time right now for anything more extensive. 68.225.240.87 12:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: Ok, in English is called "Crimson Pig.", sorry, but i believe:
"he is now known to the world as "Porco Rosso", Italian for "Crimson Pig.""
is not true.
:Well, Crimson and Red are synonyms, so I think its splitting hairs a bit. Anyone else have an opinion on this?  Finite 20:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A Pig that is not red is only a Pig, he he; Red might mean Communist, but Crimson is not the same color.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.124.177 (talk) 20:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crimson 

message: There`s extra space at the bottom; please fix it, thanks; I don`t know how.  Thanks.68.148.164.166 (talk) 16:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra Space At The Bottom 

message: I've shortened the article by perhaps 20% by rewriting in a more terse style. I've therefore also removed the "too long" icon placed at the top of the article on Sept, 2007, pending a future review by an editor of the revised article. 
Ross Fraser (talk) 06:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Length of Article

message: This is at the end of the synopsis: "However, a red plane can be seen at the other end of Gina's island."
I saw the last scene over and over and I just can't this. Are you sure it happened or should we delete this part of the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.13.247.113 (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not in the final shot.  It's a couple of shots earlier, when there's a plane flying over Gina's island.  It's there.  Henrymrx (talk) 03:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red plane at Gina's island? 

message: *What other skills does Porco possess other than being a good pilot. Can he use any weapons for anything like that? --Kid Sonic (talk) 17:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Porco's skills 

message: The article says,  Although his transformation into a pig is never fully explained, it is hinted that it is due to him leaving his country's air force (thus turning his back on his country) because of Italy turning toward fascism. At one point he says, "I'd much rather be a pig than a fascist". However the story about the dog-fight where his friends died, and he feels he left, thinking only of himself, is also hinted as being a reason for his transformation, as he felt he had acted like a pig by deserting them. Indeed, his retransformations happen when he is not thinking of himself.(88.96.98.17 (talk) 14:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Porco's Transformation

message: If you look closely at the bottom of the front cover of the magazine on top of Porco's head shown at the very beginning, it says 1929. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_di621Kpm2A4/S6mLlemXREI/AAAAAAAADag/0fntOTY0c9M/s1600-h/cinema29.jpg 207.255.134.92 (talk) 00:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is set in 1929 

message: i would love to see an expansion of the American versions. 
i would like to see a full cast for the second English version. the voice and words are quite different.
Overseer19XX (talk) 23:35, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  two english versions 

message: Manga Impact: The World of Japanese Animation, 6 December 2010, ; pg 197;
 Miyazaki Hayao's sixth film, Porco Rosso, is very different to the great epics Nausicaä of the Valley of Wind (1984) and Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea (2008), This comedy found success with an often clownish humour about a truculent protagonist sporting a pig's head.
 Marco is a former flying ace from World War I who has turned his hand to hunting pirates in the Adriatic. A curse left him with a pig's head and amid perfectly human humans but nobody seems to care, and the only thing about him that attracts remark is his skill as a pilot. He teams up with Fio, an expert female mechanic, and competes against his rival Curtis, whom he finally beats at the end of a long battle that begins in the key and ends up - hand to hand - in the sea.
A very simple screenplay gives pride of place to comical situations such as the pilot's first appearance, sleeping in the afternoon sun to the sound of the French revolutionary song 'Le temps de cerises', or the final epic fight that leaves both combatants covered in bruises. The meditative, gliding flights of Nausicaä give way to the energy of the war film, and blue gives way to red as the predominant colour.
 This film is the only instance of Miyazaki depicting a specific historical and geographical location - the Mediterranean in the inter-war years - and certain details (particularly with regard to aviation) are unexpectedly realistic.
 The eponymous protagonist, comically named 'Red Pig' in Italian, is overwhelming in his presence. He sports a snout and big, floppy ears, but at the same time, a mustache, tie, and sunglasses. A stylist pig, a dandy and a formidable fighter, Porco Rosso remains one of Miyazaki's most popular characters.
--Gwern  (contribs) 19:49 23 December 2011 (GMT)
: They could have got the right sea... 
: Andy Dingley (talk) 19:51, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Manga Impact'' 

message: The links i have given were from a site that was one of the very important site related to the topic. In that case it was about studio ghibli. Now the link i have given was from onlineghibli.com which is no less popular than nausicaa.net if not more. And there is no need to promote the site as it is even more popular than the nausicaa.net and it is the first result in the search engine.And i absolutely know about the no-follow system or rule of wikipedia.And that site actually verifies the character list as it actually gives pictures of the artists and it has many other infos like music pieces etc.And this site also has been there for 10 years so it is one of the most important reference site to the topic. The problem is i do not know how to use the reference template[and also do not have access to] that is why i needed to give the external link. We all need to improve wikipedia so review my suggestion.Nibir2011 (talk) 16:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  i think this reference can be added 

message: I think the plot summary misses some major character development. Gina is simply referred to as a 'friend' of Porco/Marco, which understates a huge part of the emotional impact of the story. Berlini and Marco fought for the love of Gina, and she eventually married Berlini, with Marco acting as his best man at the wedding. Two days later they were called up and Berlini was killed, in the story Porco/Marco recounts to Fio of the deceased pilots joining the ribbon in the sky. Years later Porco/Marco feels bound by honour to his friend not to have a relationship with Gina, but she has overcome her loss (indeed, it is revealed she has married, and lost, three seaplane pilots) and is waiting for Porco/Marco to come to her.
Then, during the fist-fight, Curtis tells Porco/Marco that Gina shuns other men's advances and waits just for him in her hotel's private garden. This comes as such a surprise to Porco/Marco that it grants Curtis a brief advantage in the fight.
These details are important in that they add to the case that Porco/Marco's curse is self-imposed, and that he does eventually change his outlook and end up with Gina. But obviously that is left to the viewer to speculate. Joefishuk (talk) 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: When Gina kissed Porco in lips in the end did Porco became human ? Did she really fell in love with him ( People always speculated that part). I always though Gina loved Porco in a friendly way wanted to help him become human again. Vamlos (talk) 11:19, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Gina didn't kiss Porco at the end. Fio kissed him as the plane she was in (Gina's) pulled away. After that, we don't see his face again. Curtis acts as though he caught a glimpse of Marco's real face, though only after Porco invites him to help lead the Italian Air Force away. Gina told Curtis she shuns every man's advances and waits only for Marco in her garden. That sounds much more than simple friendly intentions.Joefishuk (talk) 19:56, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary Omissions 

message: "Porco Rosso is one of the few films directed by Hayao Miyazaki in which the historical and geographical settings are clearly defined and where most of the story could have happened in the real world.[citation needed] "
Whoever added the [citation needed] tag is clearly trolling. This is the kind of thing that really makes "community curated" look bad. Nobody is going to cite each of the events of the inter-war years in their entirety to you. It even gives the "most of" tag as to say "its not set to be one-for-one to reality(what with the talking pig-man ace pilot and all) but a clearly defined time and place does exist." 
When: Very likely 1921-1927. We can come to this conclusion as the sons left due to lack of work, this period was during Italian economic stagnation post WWI, though not the great depression. Technology is also a hint with what the various pilots used. Prior to metal skinned planes being used, which would have been attainable by rich independent pilots like Curtis starting around 1930. If for some reason it was a group of pilots who didn't get new planes for various reasons, then just move the dates from 1921-27 to 30-35, where all the details can still fit easily. Almost certainly before the invasion of Abyssinia as the embargoes and war almost certainly would have been hot topics for seaplane pilots. 
Without any question however it took place between the end of WWI and the start of WWII a defined band of 20 years, for Italy it could be considered as low as 17 (1918-1935.) 
Where: Italy, Milan, Adriatic Sea
Events surrounding are described liberally throughout the film. Ba18070 (talk) 01:25, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't take the inline tags too seriously, and I don't believe it was a troll who did that, as the paragraph in question is entirely unsourced. While I do somewhat agree with your explanation here, we would need sources to back this up if the statement is to remain in the article. Editors can't simply come to these conclusions themselves, as that is original research. I've gone ahead and put the tags back in, and I'll see if I can find a source for this somewhere. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 14:37, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absolutely ridiculous 

message: On 7 October 2023, user Redecommon removed the below paragraph from the 'Plot' section with the comment "Excessive detail removed from plot."
The removal of this paragraph created inconsistencies with the rest of the plot description - for example, there is no longer any mention of Fio seeing Porco's true face to give context to the mention of Curtis seeing Porco's face again later in the plot description. I reverted the removal, but it was removed again by Sphilbrick with a different explanation of "Copyright issue re https://everything.explained.today/Porco_Rosso/". However, this domain is a known Wikipedia mirror that simply mirrored the earlier version of the plot section in this article, and re-introducing the paragraph should therefore not be a copyright violation, correct? Just wanted some clarity on this point.
11achitturi (talk)
: If that did come from mirror, then of course it's fine, but that should be explained in the edit summary so it doesn't get removed as a false positive copyright violation.--S Philbrick(Talk) 00:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If one has to rule out every time Wikipedia content has been skimmed and cloned on other sites the citation list would be longer than Wikipedia itself! The edit history clearly demonstrates that this plot summary is the result of multiple independent edits and not taken in whole from another source. It should never have been removed without properly authenticating the assertion of other copyright. Someone please restore the paragraph. 185.201.0.197 (talk) 16:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have edited the plot section to include the details from the erroneously removed paragraph, and copy edited the whole section to cut excessive detail down to within the guideline word limit. Cheers! Captainllama (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary