Talk:Power Girl/Archive 1

message: I notice the section mentioning Buxom Girl was removed. Is it not fairly standard to include appearances of the character in other media? Admittedly, it probably should be more of a linked entry, but I didn't really have enough information onhand to build a proper entry. -Fuzzy 19:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's standard to include such appearances. I suspect what was at issue was whether Buxom Girl was really an appearance of Power Girl in "other media." I'm not familiar with BG, but I suspect she has less in common with PG than does JLU's Galatea. --Joe Sewell 23:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Buxom Girl

message: I reverted a note on the Tangent Power Girl, but it might be interesting to add this "officially" to all the Tangent characters. --Joe Sewell 16:25, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tangent Comics]]

message: (Disclaimer: I wasn't the one who added the merge box, but I'm the first one with an opinion, I guess.)
* Do Not Merge The two characters are related only by appearance. Granted, Tea's article is short, but it reflects accurately the amount of information the show gave about her -- little to none.  She isn't the DCAU Power Girl, so I see no good reason to merge. --Joe Sewell 17:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So then you think Galatea is just a different version of Power Girl? Cool. I agree. --Chris Griswold 08:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he meant that PG and Galatea are as alike as Supergirl & PG.  Now don't suggest we merge Galatea into Supergirl. --Joe Sewell 16:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't twist my words like that Chris Griswold.  What I said is that Galatea and Power Girl are about as alike as Supergirl and Power Girl.  There's a hole in Galatea's shirt and her origin makes her vaguely an alternate Supergirl.  I think the character needs a bit more in common with Power Girl than that to be considered an "other media" version.  As it stands they don't even have the same name.D1Puck1T 20:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So do you mean that Power Girl and Galatea are like two alternate Earth versions of each other just like Power Girl and Supergirl?  --Chris Griswold 20:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would not put it that way.  Power Girl is an alternate Earth version of Supergirl.  Galatea is a clone of an alternate Earth version of Supergirl.  Galatea has some similar qualities to Power Girl, but they are far outnumbered by the differences.D1Puck1T 03:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Galatea is a clone of Supergirl, not of an alternate Earth version of her. She's still one step removed. The creators of the show wanted to use Power Girl but didn't want to get into the alternate universe aspect of it. Her appearance is based on Power Girl's: white costume (A rarity among superheroes), short blond hair, and a larger bustline that is emphasized in both the comics and the TV series. Galatea and Power Girl are both connected to Supergirl and have confused memories of their pasts. So what are the differences? One is a clone? That's how they explain doppelganger characters in modern superhero comics and cartoons. See: Bizarro. Please. Name more differences. --Chris Griswold 03:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bizarro.  Originally created in comics with a "copy ray", first by a forgetable mad scientist, then recreated by Luthor.  Brought into the DC Animated series as a clone.  The two origins are quite similar - one uses a copy ray and makes Luthor the second person to bring Bizarro to life, the other uses cloning technology and makes him the first.  Moreover, various bizarros have been made using cloning technology in the books (off the top of my head there was a Bizarro-Superboy in that character's title), so it's hardly that big a change between the books and animated show.  Furthermore the animated Bizarro's motivations and actions are well in keeping with various versions the comic version.  Both versions turned on Luthor, angry at being imperfect.  Both have tried to do Superman's job, but did it all wrong.  Both act basically the same.  Now look at Power Girl.  Now certainly you could argue that Galatea's being a clone is analagous to Power Girl's being from an alternate earth.  IMHO it's more of stretch than comparing a "duplicating ray" and cloning technology, but if that was the only difference I'd have no problems.  But it's not remotely the only difference.  Aside from not even having the same name, the two characters have quite different motivations.  Galatea works for and was made by Cadmus, specifically by Dr. Hamilton.  She seems to care for Hamilton - perhaps seeing him as a father, although I grant that there's precious little to go on.  She's an assassin and a murderer.  She's extremely loyal to the U.S. government and Cadmus.  She clearly hates the Justice League, in particular Supergirl, possibly because she doesn't like Supergirl in her head.  She has a psychic link with Supergirl because they're clones.  No memories of Krypton, whether real or "magically implanted by an Atlantean magician" or whatever.  Her feelings about Superman are not stated - she's never met him or expressed any interest in meeting him.  None of that has anything to do with Power Girl, and it's basically all we've been shown about Galatea.  If she didn't have a circle cut in her top there'd be no debate. EDIT:  Regarding the "emphasized bustline".   Galatea's bustline may be bigger than animated Supergirl's, but it's no bigger than, say, animated Zatanna's.   Moreover, you brought up their having "confused memories" as something in common.  Galatea's memories were never confused, she always knew where she was from.  She had some problems dealing with the psychic link to Supergirl, but she always knew her origin.D1Puck1T 05:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's called an adaptation. For instance, in the recent X-Men movie, Jamie Madrox is in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. But he's the same character. Callisto has completely different powers. The same character. Sometimes when writers want to use a character in an adaptation, they have to change some aspects in the transition: origin, motivation, appearance, name. But it can still be the same character. On the X-Men animated series, the character Changeling is called Morph. It's still the same character. --Chris Griswold 05:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where you see adaptation, I see characters that are too different to consider one an "other media" version of the other.  Clearly we have different opinions on how different two characters have to be from one another to consider one an "adaptation".  In the case of movie Madrox, we did not get a great deal of information about that character, but we did find out his name - Jamie Madrox.  So of course he's an alternate version.  With Changling and Morph, it has been established in the books that "Morph" is a name used by some alternate reality versions of the character.  Galatea and Power Girl do not share the same name, the same background, the same alliances, the same morals, the same "family and friends", or the same motivations.  Heck, Galatea enjoys killing people for the U.S. government.  If at some point the Animated Universe is expanded on and Galatea chooses to call herself "Power Girl", or heck, even if she just joins the JLU or JSA and starts calling Superman "cousin", then by all means merge the articles.  As it stands, I believe there's enough in common to justify what's currently in the "in other media" section, but not enough to justify merging the articles.  I do understand what you are basing your opinion on, and I do believe you have very valid points, but again I think it comes down to us simply having a different opinion as to how similiar two characters must be in order to merge their articles.D1Puck1T 06:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Though I disagree, I respect your opinion. --Chris Griswold 08:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Gee, it sounds like I disappointed you. :) --Joe Sewell 16:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. It means that I think you presented the most cogent reasoning. It's a compliment. CovenantD 16:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just kidding with you. Thanks for the compliment! --Joe Sewell 16:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Can we be done with this? It is obvious what the consensus is. --Chris Griswold 19:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion: Merge [[Galatea (Justice League Unlimited)]] into [[Power Girl]] 

message: Thanks for the citation to the Wood story, Chris.  I know this is going to sound like incredible nit-picking, but I have yet to read anything that definitively convinces me that this is what Wood actually did, or intended to do.  For example, a definitive citiation would be a statement to this effect spoken by Wood himself during an interview, or a statement Wood might have made about this in a letter.  However, all versions of this story involve someone else saying that this is what Wood told them he was doing.  Can we slightly revise the entry to reflect this, for example by saying something like: "Many of Wally Wood's friends recount that he told them he intended to draw ..."?--Galliaz 21:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm still looking. I asked another columnist who wrote about it where she was asble to verify it, but she has not written back yet. I will do the same for Comic Books 101. --Chris Griswold 22:11, 27 June 2006 (UTCThe )
The Justice League Unlimited Supergirl isn't Kara Zor-El. Her name is Kara In-ze ,alias Kara Kent.
And she's closely related to superman except for shared species.
Actually, Supergirl in Justice League Unlimited is not even the same speices. She is from planet Argo. 
This information can be found in the All-Star Companion by Roy Thomas
A handful of professors of the Sequential Art Department at SCAD University often mention that Wood's involvement with her breast size set a standard that would help the erosion of the Comics Code.  I can't verify the relationship between them and woods, or her breasts and the comics code, but it may be more relevant when you consider the action in context of the period.  --A SCAD student  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:1200:8F:498F:C33E:A93:BC42 (talk) 19:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Wally Wood/Power Girl breast size info

message: Since Power Girl's physical attributes are a part of this article, I felt this link was perfectly legitimate. Why was this removed from the External links as a blog while the blog site moviepoopshoot.com link is kept? I'm puzzled. 23skidoo 00:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputing link removal

message: When was she known by this codename?
:In Kingdom Come (comic book).--Trademark123 08:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power Woman 

message: My position is simple: the entry should state the obvious about the character's cup size w/o going on to redundant lengths about it, as I believe Chris McFeeley's recent edit did.  I simply don't think this particular sentence added anything to the entry:  Any discussion of Power Girl's costume or physicality is pointless without first establishing one key point - she is consistently depicted, by any and all artists who render her, as having particularly large breasts, even by comic book standards.  CM's edit seemed especially pointless to me because the entry already states that the character is depicted as a buxom woman--it doesn't ignore, try to hide, or minimize this obvious point.--Galliaz 18:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies, gents! Didn't bother to check the talk page to see that this had been hashed out already. I've made a bit of an edit anyway, just to separate out the summaries of her costume and her... endowment into what I think is a slightly better order. - Chris McFeely 20:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breasts (again) 

message: The article says that in "One Year Later" Powergirl was Flamebird.  The accompanying picture says she was Nightwing.  Which is it? --220.253.116.195 (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powergirl = Nightwing or Flamebird? 

message: Before this gets added back to the article, could those that want it back please give a valid reason for it? Especially in light of where it was sitting in the article. ("Infinite Crisis" section)
I've tended to go on faith that there was a deeper rational for it, and moved on. But with the recent back and for about adding additional "Power Girl looks like" images, another editor has pulled the image. And looking at it again, he's right to have done so: it didn't add anything to the section it was in, so there is little significance beyond the character's look. We've got the infobox image to cover that, which makes this image redundant.
Putting it back is going to need something more substantial than "We need another image".
- J Greb (talk) 03:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:infinitecrisis2.jpg]] 

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message: The article mentions her pregnancy as having taken place during Zero Hour, but she was pregnant before that (through at least Judgment Day). Can anybody provide citation on when her pregnancy actually started?
:MrBlonde267 (talk) 19:54, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pregnancy 

message: This article needs a new picture, Alex Ross' Power Girl is not the definitive interpretation. There are plenty of Adam Hughes and Amanda Connor images that would fit the bill, or the cover to issue 13 of her series by the new regular artist Sami Basri seen here http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/03/pgl_cv13.jpg.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justingibson (talk • contribs) 11:50, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Running over this again - At a Project level, what we are looking for is an image that is a full length front view of the character, not in a contorted or twisted pose, and using the most universally recognized "look" of the character. Back shots and art with faded colors - both issues with the Power Girl #13 artwork - are not a step forward in this case. Nor are "this is the new costume" shots (the art for the first issue of the current series), nor the cheesecake/pin-up-esque art from Hughes, nor pieces that "compress" the character so there is "stuff" around her (also that first issue cover art). - J Greb (talk) 21:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: March 2010 revisit

message: There has been a bunch of commentary on the costume and 'boob window' by several feminists commentators,etc. 
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Which might provide a good background to flesh-out this discussion further in the article. -Sharp962 (talk) 15:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I seem to remember an interview with one of the artists who originated PG. wherein he said he kept making the chest larger, and only stopped when someone at DC said something about it. For the life of me, I cannot recall where i saw that. Does that flip a switch with anyone else?  -Hexhand (talk) 05:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Adressed repeatedly above. The net result was that no one found a single shred of citeable evidence to back it up. The story's just an urban legend. --Noclevername (talk) 00:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costume 

message: Is relevant enough for the article to add an illustration with the character's famous cleavage window? A fine example could be the page 12 or 13 (I don't remember well) of JSA Classified book, when the kid looks straight to them. Thanks. --123.203.68.89 (talk) 03:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Off the top? Not really - J Greb (talk) 00:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleavage Picture 

message: The recent issue of SFX has a comment about the apocryphal Wally Wood story in an information box at the end of a reivew of Power Girl: A New Beginning: "Allegedly, Power Girl's mighty cleavage is due to artist Wally Wood, who kept increasing it to see when the editors would tell him to stop." (SFX, issue 195, June 2010 (published in April), p. 128, review by Saxon Bullock).  I know it has come up before and I'm not sure if it's worth adding this to the article or not. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ever-present Cleavage & Wally Wood topic (possible reference) 

message: Since IPs tend to sometimes have their edits removed without consultation (usually by bots in my experience), I'll just note here that I added a reference to Carrie Keagan's performances as Power Girl in G4TV's Attack of the Show's comedy skits. Since AOTS is broadcast internationally, and Keagan is independently notable as a model, actress and HLN/FOX News contributor, I think it's worthy of inclusion. The link I added was to G4TV's official website for the show which I believe counts as a reliable source. 68.146.64.9 (talk) 13:37, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Carrie Keagan version

message: Power Girl was introduced in 1976, at which point her sole similarities, to Supergirl were hair color & being Superman's cousin (which is not uncommon, when it comes to female spin-off characters. And they couldn't just have her show up, as Kal-L's never before mentioned sister, as it was well-established that both E-1 & E-2 Supermen, where an only child). Though, a rumour has it, that Gerry Conway wanted to make P.G., the daughter of Kal-L & Lois Lane-Kent (if this is true, then the similarites fades away, fast). For the first two years of her "life", she was only called Power Girl & Superman's cousin (and while it was established, that both Kryptonians had been sent to Earth, by their fathers, how they were cousins, were unknown. Were their fathers brothers? Were their mothers sisters? Was Jor-L brother, to P.G.'s mother? Or was P.G.'s father, the brother of Kal-L's mother?). It wasn't until Paul Levitz wrote her three issue arc, in Showcase #97-99, that she got the name Kara Zor-L. I'd argue, that any similarity between the two women, where minimal, until Levitz took over (unless there's any solid evidence, that Conway actually based his Power Girl on Supergirl, beyond her being a Superman's cousin).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coq87rouge (talk • contribs) 14:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Based on Supergirl... 

message: I just deleted an utterly mundane appearance from the Miscellaneous section. I mean, really, if we're going to include background images where a camera just happens to catch a random image of a comic book cover, then articles on superheroes are going to be overloaded whenever a film or TV show happens to set a scene in a comic book store. 68.146.70.177 (talk) 17:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Some "appearances" aren't worth noting

message: Hello, I'd like to improve the article's image with the new World's Finest art. What do you think? --211.76.40.195 (talk) 03:37, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The new World's Finest costume is not Power Girl's most universally recognizable costume and should not be used as the main infobox image per WP:CMOS#BOXIMAGE.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better image