Talk:Dream Theater/Archive 2

message: It would be very nice to get pictures of the IAW/LATM flaming heart and the LSFNY "flaming apple" to post side-by-side in the relevant section.
:Done. --plattopus (talk) 11:24, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Also, what does "flame of passion" mean? --Durga2112 06:24, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: I did an extensive clean up of this article, NPOVing it and making it generally more professional. I still believe there are some parts of this article that need work:
* In the intro it says that Tool owes part of its success to DT. This seems like a fairly large exageration to me. Tool's success owes more to the alternative revolution then to DT.
:Perhaps it is a stretch, maybe we should replace it with another well-known band who is directly influenced by progressive metal? For example, The Mars Volta?  plattopus 
::It would make more sense to use Muse (band)
(talk) 19:24, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
* As mentioned above, I'm lukewarm on the era headings. The articles on Deep Purple and Pink Floyd don't have anything like it. I'm temped to get rid of it, or maybe create headers by album instead of by era.
* At over 31K, this article is too long. It contains a lot of trivia that could probably be either eliminated or condensed. 
Any help in implementing these changes would greatly contribute to this article. DaveTheRed 01:37, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You've done a very good job copyediting the article.  The headings are the best we've come up with so far - splitting it by albums had been too restrictive.  As for the size of the article I don't think it's a problem at all, especially given the latest view of article size limits. violet/riga (t) 01:44, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up

message: Okay, speculation about the title Octavarium has begun to creep into this article.  While it is nice to speculate, I really don't think it has a place in an encyclopedia article - for one thing, it's hardly NPOV.  I was going to just remove it, but I thought I'd post this notice first to see if there are any objections.  --Durga2112 20:22, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'd delete it unless we can find a source from the band that says what they meant by the title. DaveTheRed 20:42, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point - let's delete it UNTIL we find a source from the band confirming the meaning of the title, if they ever do that. --Durga2112 21:22, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Octavarium 

message: Currently the article says that James LaBrie joined the band in 1992. It used to say in dtfaq.com that he joined in 1991, but the history page is not there any more. Additionally, Images and Words was recorded in December 1991. Did they record it without a singer? --Jannex 17:46, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not sure, I hear 1991 and 1992 quoted all the time... kind of like how even the band themselves sometimes alternate in their answers to when they actually came together (either '85 or '86). If IAW was recorded in 91, then I'd put my house on the fact that James joined earlier that year... but a definitive source would be a good find.  plattopus (talk) 18:09, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
:I've changed it for now, until we can find a definitive source... although logic says that he was in the band in 1991.  plattopusis this thing on? 12:13, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
: Quoting : "James went in for his audition on January 19th, 1991 and was asked to join the band 3 days later" - assuming he didn't hesitate much, he joined the band in 1991 // Gargaj 02:20, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did James LaBrie join the band? 

message: Inspired by the template on all Rush articles, I've created Template:Dream Theater for possible use on all DT-related articles. IMO it'll help grow collaboration on DT articles, which will result in higher quality material, but I want to get some opinions on it first. So does anyone think that such a template at the bottom of all DT pages would be a hinderance (which, by the way, is currently incomplete and just has a mock-up so far)?  plattopus (talk) 19:09, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
:OK, since noone had any input I've gone ahead and added the template to DT-related articles. It brings up one question though: does Mullmuzzler still exist? Is James' new solo album another MM release (but under a different name, like with MM2), or is it a seperate project?
:I added Chris Collins to the template about a month ago.  I hope you don't mind, but he was a part of the group, even though not officially as DT.--Splent 00:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Dream Theater]] 

message: Since the "John Petrucci and Jordan Rudess" pairing contains more than one DT member, I don't see any reason for not including it in the "Solo Projects" section.
The partnership yielded one release, "An Evening With...". Kidburla2002 23:25, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  JP+JR solo project? 

message: I'd like to create a band Infobox for this article.
Should another picture be added or use the one in the top of the page? --UVnet 15:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, that picture looks like it's from roughly the time of Awake. A new picture might not be necessary, but it would be interesting to see if there's a better, more modern fit. - CorbinSimpson 01:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Awake was released in 1994 - five years before Jordan Rudess (second from the right in the photo) joined the band. The photo is a Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence-era promotional photo. If you can find another/better one then upload it but I see no major problem with the current one.  plattopustalk 05:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wrong. The photo is a Scenes from a memory-era promotional photo. Jordan Rudess has a beard at the SDOIT era. Also petrucci already cut his hair during that time. --UVnet 20:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well instead of arguing specifics why don't you do something useful and make the infobox?  plattopustalk 02:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: which is it? --UVnet 03:24, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Elektra is a division of Atlantic, the actual "label" for each release depended on the internal structure of Atlantic at the time of the album's release, so there's a bit of ambiguity.  plattopustalk 07:15, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elektra or Atlantic? 

message: When browsing orphan pages, A Sort of Homecoming is listed as a Dream Theater album, but does not appear in the article or template. Does someone familar with the band want to check if this is a valid album? MartinRe 11:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's valid.  It was the annual fan club CD for 2004.  Not really sure why the article lists it as a bootleg - it's a legitimate release, just very limited.  Durga2112 19:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's a fan club CD, I wouldn't classify it as a "legitimate album" as I would Images and Words or whatever. It shouldn't be in the template or the article itself IMO.  plattopustalk 07:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yup.  If someone wants to make an article about the fan club CDs, it would fit perfectly in there.  I'm not sure if such a topic would be noteworthy enough for an article, though.  Maybe if other bands were included it might make for a decent article - e.g. the Beatles' and Pearl Jam's  annual Christmas singles, DT and Marillion's annual CDs, etc.  I'd love to read such an article to see who else does that sort of thing, but I definitely don't have the time to start it now.  ;)  Durga2112 17:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Album 

message: This band is the best band in the world, definetively. Look at the instrumentists, John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Jordan Ruddes, John Myung... If someone asks me about favorite musicians for making a super group, i will say again John, Mike, Jordan (I will have just to replace John Myung with Billy Shehan, but John is the best for Dream Theater bassist). Aeternus 18:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Some words for super-group Dream Theater

message: I think the part about Rudess playing "Mary Had a Little Lamb" during "Endless Sacrifice" should be changed. I added Portland, ME (This is where I saw them) right after the Clarkson, MI part, and decided that it would probablt be more accurate to say that Rudess played it at every show that featured "Endless Sacrifice" in the setlist. Jordan 21:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've re-worked that whole section anyway, it seemed a bit all over the place.  plattopustalk 05:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Concert Reputation

message: Although I am not a frequent contributor to this nice (and featured) article, I tool the liberty to reverse quite
substantial changes to the article: history diff. Most of those seem quite far fetched and driven by personal opinions of the anon contributor. Please review this revert, since I am not a DT specialist, to see if there is anything valuable in these contributions. Thank you folks and keep up the good work. --Johnnyw 21:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In response to the "criticism" section, I agree. Also, where are the criticism sections for all the other big artist entries (I don't see any for Metallica, although I'm 100% SURE that many artists and fans and people have made ignorant critical reviews of their music[al style])? And since I respond: "If they worked their ass off every day, for hours, playing, training, and improving their technique, then training some more, every day, for thirty years now, training at their instruments and becoming virtuosos. What now? Mr. Bigshot says they're too good to fully use their technical skills that they worked their ass off on in their songs? Is Mr. Bigshot justified to say it when Mr. Bigshot hasn't done much of technically requiring music himself? I consider bragging and showing off bad if you haven't done work for it (i.e rich by heritage), but damn it if you say that it's showing off technique. The band does not play Yngwie Malmsteen kind of, mostly single-formula based music displaying only technique, but every song is different, in case the critics haven't noticed. Guess what, I've played guitar for only 2½ years now and I can play many of their songs. What the hell?" My argument wins, therefore it should stay like that - removed :p --84.249.252.211 22:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, as well, I just removed it and someone reverted it, telling me to bring it to the talk page. I geuss they haven't seen this over the past few months. - 24.168.10.253 01:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  latest contributions 

message: On a different note: I have been working on the Tool (band) article for almost a year now and would appreciate any useful comments or criticism by contributors to excellent articles of other music acts before I submit it to general peer review. The article is not as stable as I'd prefer it to be, due to the fact that a new album will be released this month, so be aware if you choose to review it. Like I said, any comments are welcome. --Johnnyw 21:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tool (band)]] review?