Talk:Transpersonal psychology

message: Even proponents of this idea must acknowledge that transpersonal psychology is fairly fringe. However, the article as it stands does not acknowledge that. I have therefore tagged the article in the hopes that we can achieve a closer approach to WP:NPOV and not do the reader the disservice of making it appear this idea has received WP:MAINSTREAM acceptance. All help would be appreciated. jps (talk) 12:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In the section Reception, recognition and criticism there was, before this latest revison, a wide array of sources, far from original research, documenting the fringe-status, the skepticism towards, and the criticisms of transpersonal psychology. A large amount of it has now been removed, together with a substantial amount of references from peer-reviewed journals, too extensive to summarize. The section, in its original form, demonstrated clearly that Transpersonal psychology is both a controversial topic and and a discipline on the borders of the mainstream.--Hawol (talk) 10:09, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a source or two that you think belongs in the article which is not currently here, please let me know. I think most of the sources removed were pretty much in abrogation of WP:FRIND, but I'm happy to be shown to be incorrect. jps (talk) 18:05, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just a few secondary sources that were originally in the article, but are now removed. All are from journals in the fields of psychology, psychiatry, philosophy, mental health, religion and social work + a few news-sources. However, the context that they referred to is mostly gone, so they are just floating around here instead.
*Sharma, Pulkit; Charak, Ruby & Sharma, Vibha. "Contemporary Perspectives on Spirituality and Mental Health". Indian Journal of Psychological Medicine. 2009 Jan-Jun; 31(1): 16–23.
*Travis, Terry A. Book Forum: Humanistic and Transpersonal Psychology: A Historical and Biographical Sourcebook. Am J Psychiatry 2001;158:667-a-668.
*DeCarvalho, Roy J. "Book Reviews: Donald Moss (Ed.). Humanistic and Transpersonal Psychology: A Historical and Biographical Sourcebook". Journal of the History of the Behavioral Sciences, Vol. 39(1), 93–94 Winter 2003
*Renner, Walter & Ramalingam, Panch. Self-Evident Spiritual Experience and Empirical Psychology. Journal of the Indian Academy of Applied Psychology, July 2015, Vol. 41, No. 2, 259-271.
*Cowley, Au-Deane S. & Derezotes, David. Transpersonal Psychology and Social Work Education. Journal of Social Work Education, 10437797, Winter, Vol. 30, Issue 1, 1994
*Bidwell, Duane R. Ken Wilber's Transpersonal Psychology: An Introduction and Preliminary Critique. Pastoral Psychology, November 1999, Volume 48, Issue 2, pp 81-90
*Matthews, Charles O. "Psychotherapy and Spirit (Book)". Counseling & Values. Oct99, Vol. 44 Issue 1, p75. 3p.
*Lev, Shoshana. Regression in the Service of Transcendence: Reading Michael Washburn. Human Architecture: Journal of the Sociology of Self-Knowledge, Volume 4, Issue 1 Scholarships of Learning, Article 23
*Coward, Harold. The Ego and the Dynamic Ground by Michael Washburn (book review). Philosophy East and West, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1989), pp. 505-507
*Reich, Helmut K. Review Article: Spritual Development: Han F. De Wit's and Stanislav Grofs differing approaches. Zygon, vol. 36, no. 3 (September 2001)
*Humphrey, Caroline. Shadows Along the Spiritual Pathway. Journal of Religion and Health, Vol. 54, No. 6 (December 2015), pp. 2376-2388
*Gaur, Sunil D. Review of Words from the soul: Time, east/west spirituality, and psychotherapeutic narrative. Psychological Studies, Vol 50(1), Jan 2005, 101.
*Keutzer, Carolin S. "Transpersonal Psychotherapy: Reflections on the Genre". Professional Psychology: Research and Practice, 1984, Vol. 15, No. 6,868-883, The American Psychological Association
*Scott et al. Religious issues in diagnosis: the V-Code and beyond. Mental Health, Religion & Culture, Volume 6, Number 2, 2003 DOI: 10.1080/1367467021000038200
*Dein, S. Working with patients with religious beliefs. Advances in Psychiatric Treatment (2004) 10: 287-294.
*Milstein, G; Midlarsky, E; Link, B.G.; Raue, P.J. & Bruce, M. "Assessing Problems with Religious Content: A Comparison of Rabbis and Psychologists". Journal of Nervous & Mental Disease. 188(9):608-615, September, 2000
*Milstein, G. "Clergy and Psychiatrists: Opportunities for Expert Dialogue". Psychiatric Times, March 2003, Vol. XX, Issue 3, pp 36-39.
*Bender, E. Clinical & Research News: Psychiatrists Urge More Direct Focus On Patients' Spirituality. Psychiatric News June 18, 2004, Volume 39 Number 12, p. 30. American Psychiatric Association.
*Foulks, E.F. Cultural Variables in Psychiatry. Psychiatric Times, April 2004, Vol. XXI, 5 
*Curlin et al. - Religion, Spirituality, and Medicine: Psychiatrists and Other Physicians Differing Observations, Interpretations, and Clinical Approaches. The American Journal of Psychiatry, Volume 164 Issue 12, December, 2007, pp. 1825-1831
*Otterman, Sharon. "Merging Spirituality and Clinical Psychology at Columbia". New York Times, published online August 9, 2012
*Clay, Rebecca A. "A renaissance for humanistic psychology. The field explores new niches while building on its past". APA Monitor on Psychology, Volume 33, No. 8 September 2002.
*Leitner, Larry M.; Guthrie, Leland. "Transpersonal psychology: The big picture." (Book Review). PsycCRITIQUES, Vol 59(25), 2014, American Psychological Association
*Adams, William. Transpersonal Heterophenomenology? Journal of Consciousness Studies, Volume 13, Number 4, 2006, pp. 89-93(5)
*Walach, Harald; Runehov, A.L.C. "The Epistemological Status of Transpersonal Psychology. The Data-Base Argument Revisited". Journal of Consciousness Studies, 1 January 2010, vol. 17, no. 1-1, pp. 145-165(21)
*O’Reilly, Patrick. Transpersonal Psychology. The Scientific Review of Alternative Medicine, Vol.10 (2006).
*Alexander, Gary T. (1980) "William James, the Sick Soul, and the Negative Dimensions of Consciousness: A Partial Critique of Transpersonal Psychology". Journal of the American Academy of Religion, XLVIII(2):191-206
*Gray, Alison J. "Reviews: In Case of Spiritual Emergency: Moving Successfully Through Your Awakening". Psychiatric Bulletin (2012) 36: 360
Best regards!--Hawol (talk) 19:47, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

text: This is a bit of a laundry list and there is little in the way of annotated consideration of how many of these sources can/should be used. Also, many of these sources are pretty poor. For example, the Journal of Consciousness Studies is pretty far out there as it pertains to things like rigorous scholarship. Same goes for The Journal of Religion and Health which seems to me to be a pocket journal. Of these sources, which two do you think are the best for inclusion? jps (talk) 01:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Journal of Religion and Health actually published one of the few systematic reviews on Transpersonal Therapies, with Guidelines for Research and Clinical Practice. I forgot to put it on the list.
*Nardini‑Bubols et al. The Altered States of Consciousness in Transpersonal Approach Psychotherapy: Systematic Review and Guidelines for Research and Clinical Practice. Journal of Religion and Health (2019) 58:2175–2194
This is a PubMed Indexed source: J Relig Health. 2019 Dec;58(6):2195. doi: 10.1007/s10943-019-00882-y.
PMID: 31309440. However, I'm not gonna push for the inclusion of this source, or any other sources, because, as I said, the context for the sources is mostly gone, and the article needs new text in order to establish background for the possible inclusion of these sources. Best regards! Hawol (talk) 13:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

text: A journal founded by the Blanton-Peale Institute (yes, it's that Peale) is a pretty big WP:REDFLAG as far as I'm concerned. This is a group that is on the fringe end of psychoanalysis. jps (talk) 18:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, according to Wikipedia and other commentators even Freud is pretty much fringe.--Hawol (talk) 19:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. This kinda makes the journal "fringe of fringe" at least as it pertains to WP:MAINSTREAM psychology. It's not surprising to me that this is the venue where transpersonal psychology is reviewed. It is probably pretty difficult to get anything published about it in the top-tier academic journals. jps (talk) 19:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure, I do not expect The Lancet, The New England Journal of Medicine or Nature to take an interest in Transpersonal Psychology. The article therefore, in my view, has to be based on the next best thing, which is mainstream peer-reviewed indexed journals, east and west. Also, Transpersonal psychology has crossed paths with the mainstream. Transpersonal psychologists networked with the American Psychatric Association Comittee on Religion and Psychiatry, as well as the American Psychatric Association Workgroup on Culture and Diagnosis, for the construction of a new diagnostic category, "Religious or Spiritual Problem". The proposal was approved by the Task Force on DSM-IV in 1993 and published the following year (DSM-IV, Code V62.89). Hawol (talk) 21:23, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I note that the 90s were probably the high-water mark. There does not seem to be any acknowledgement from the mainstream at this point that there is anything worthwhile from transpersonal psychology boosters, at least as far as WP:FRIND is concerned. jps (talk) 12:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  FRINGE status not clearly elucidated 

message: It is now suggested by Wikipedia-editors that Transpersonal psychology is a fringe-discipline, and that this was not clearly elucidated in the article prior to january 18, 2023. The article is now re-edited, by other editors, with this elucidation in mind, keeping most of the clarifications that were already in place.  Although I can can appreciate the mid-january edit based on WP-policies and guidelines posted to this Talk (see above), I must note, in all fairness, that except for a few reformulations, no new text is contributed! Including the two sources noting the fringe-status of TP (Hilgard and Adams), the mid-january edit keeps most of the skeptical and critical considerations of transpersonal psychology, even removing a few of them (Alexander, Gray and Schneider). I am familiar with these skeptical and critical sources, as I contributed most of them in the years prior to the latest re-edit. 
However, if Transpersonal psychology is now going to be conceptualized and elucidated as a fringe discipline in the mind of the public, which I understand is the consensus of the mid-january revisions, then it would be preferable that this categorization was supported by more sources than the few already in place. As I understand it, the new sources have to be first-rate. I therefore welcome new contributions that can elaborate upon the fringe-status of Transpersonal psychology and its relationship to the world of mainstream psychology. Best regards! --Hawol (talk) 17:47, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fringe-status - current state and future directions  

message: — Assignment last updated by Kptl0304 (talk) 02:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Psychology Capstone

message: I’m not sure how this sentence (near the top of the article) concerning the beginnings of transpersonal psychology squares with some earlier, and I'd think separate, roots for it than what we think of as “the counterculture of the 1960s.”
Both humanistic and transpersonal psychology have been associated with the Human Potential Movement, which revolves around alternative therapies and philosophies that grew out of the counter-culture of the 1960s at places such as Esalen, California.
Gerald Heard was lecturing in the mid 1950s concerning non-sectarian spiritual human potentials (Myron Stolaroff was one listener who became influential a few years later). By 1960 Aldous Huxley was giving lectures at colleges (including MIT) about what he termed “human potentialities.” But I don’t think either of them (or Stolaroff, for that matter) knew or believed he was initiating a counter culture. Both Heard and Huxley were influential with the founders of Esalen. Pretty much the same story with the Czech psychiatrist Stanislav Grof, who did not emerge from the American counterculture.
By "associating" transpersonal psychology with the counterculture, is there an intention to portray it as something on the fringe of the field of psychology?Joel Russ (talk) 20:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It does seem like that was some editor's intent. I've rewritten the sentence to be more factual without the editorializing. Skyerise (talk) 21:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

text: You might also be interested in reviving material from this old version of the article, which was removed by the same editors responsible for that sentence. I've had to restore such material in other articles, deleted simply due to the bias of the editor who removes it - complaining it is sourced only to primary sources but without searching for secondary sources, which most certainly exist. Skyerise (talk) 21:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roots prior to the 1960s counterculture per se