Talk:Drinking learner permits

message: This is a pretty terrible article. - 24.10.95.220 16:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

message: Please note that reference #1 A Learners Permit for Drinking, #2 Drinking “Learner Permits” for Under-Age Persons and #3 Rethinking Alcohol Use by the Emerging Adult are three different references, not the same article being referenced three times. Thanks.David Justin 21:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References are correct

message: The following generally-redundant references on alcohol and the brain have been deleted for the reasons indicated:
*This tertiary site only references secondary sources.“Research indicates that the human brain continues to develop into a person’s early twenties and that exposure of the developing brain to alcohol may have long-lasting effects on intellectual capabilities.” Source: Center for Substance Abuse Prevention (CSAP). A Family Guide to Keeping Youth Mentally Healthy & Drug Free: Monitor Your Child‘s Activities - Underage Drinking, 2005. CSAP is part of the Substance and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), a part of the US Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS). 
*This “Tips for Teens” doesn’t cite any original sources: “The brains and bodies of teens are still developing, and alcohol use can cause learning problems.” Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMSHA). National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information. Tips for Teens: The Truth about Alcohol -- Booze, Sauce, Brews, Brewskis, Hootch, Hard Stuff, Juice. n.d.) 
 
*This page appears to longer exist: “Drinking before the age of 21 can cause irreversible brain damage.” Source: Mothers Against drunk Driving (MADD) national corporate web site.
*Duplicates reference from the  current “Alcohol Alert reference in Wikipedia article: “There is growing evidence to suggest that alcohol use prior to age 21 impairs crucial aspects of youthful brain development” Source: Center on Alcohol Marketing and Youth (CAMY). The Toll of Underage Drinking: Drunk driving, alcohol dependence, risky sexual behavior and health consequences, n.d.
*This  contains no research and no references: “alcohol can do long-term and irreversible damage to critical neurological development that is ongoing during the teen-age years and continues until age 20.” Source: Proctor, Swayne. 21 turns 21. Join Together, July 29, 2005. (JoinTogether web site)
*This newspaper article cites no references or specific research: “research indicates that the brain continues to develop until age 21, and that young brains can be irreversibly damaged by alcohol.” Source: MacPherson, Karen. National drinking age of 21 successful, popular. Post-Gazette, July 16, 2005. 
The article's remaining reference on alcohol and the brain is relevant, descriptive and well-referenced.David Justin 00:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: The paragraph starting with "Opponents also argue..." reads like it was pulled from a proponent's pamphlet.  It is enough to say that 18 years is the legal age of adulthood without listing a plethora of attributes of legal adulthood. Although it is true, it is loaded and unnecessary.
Fremry (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality Dispute