Talk:World Communist Movement

message: i don't see whats the problem with the list. It is not arbitrary but factually important. The character of each party is discussed in the different articles linked, and i think that quite a good base for the list as such. --Soman 12:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs to be an actual article about the contemporary World Communist Movement, and for the most part, with the exception of the very beginning, it isn't. Most of the article basically goes into the history of the world communist movement through the 20th century by listing (that's one big "ugh" factor right there) the relevant parties by decade. When you compare a format like that to the format of an actual encyclopedia article, the format pretty much all other major communism topics listed in the Communism box take, who can help but have a problem with how it's arranged? Originally, I was going to put a request for a complete rewrite of the whole thing, but that's not what this needs-- it just needs a whole hell of a lot of rearrangement, plus a lot of de-list-ifying. As it stands now, it's just so dry the way it is. And unclear/ambiguous, too. 71.125.169.243 18:59, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, the current world communist movement cannot be explained without its historical backdrop. Secondly, I don't see the point with a History of the Communist Movement article, wouldn't that duplicate the History of Communism article? (which at this point only focuses on communist parties in governance). Thirdly, please specify exactly what is unclear or ambigous. --Soman 16:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some explanation to recent edit on the article. To call WCM pro-Soviet would be factually incorrect today, as WCM still exists in the absence of the USSR. --Soman 16:19, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

message: The World Communist Movement needs to be described as an entity if an entity is what the WCM actually is. If the WCM article is intended to give a history of the more general international communist movement, then that is the form the WCM should take instead. But as it stands now, the WCM article is a strange mixture of both, and to me, in trying to explain the broader history, it totally misses the point of the WCM as an actual coalition that holds meetings. Maybe we need an expert to work on this article, someone that actually attends WCM meetings, that can give a more comprehensive view of how the WCM in its present form has evolved. But Soman, it seems as though, at least for the time being, you are the only other person paying attention to this article besides me, and that can't be good. Other people have to be brought into this discussion and their comments seen and our ideas traded. That is the only way to move forward on this. Kiko 04:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not really a correct definition. The WCM is a political community that predates the current KKE conferences. This article must deal with the historical evolution of WCM, and then the mentioning of KKE becomes wildly misleading. And even though most of the parties that can be considered as current referents of WCM participate or support the KKE-hosted conferences, but that is not an exclusive definition. --Soman 08:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WCM as entity 

message: Is this intended to be an overview of:
* The CURRENT World Communist Movement formation, in which case there should be a history limited to that entity, its evolution, etc.;
OR,
* The HISTORY of the "world communist movement" as a whole, leading up to and including the current entity-incarnation that calls itself the "World Communist Movement"?
In my eyes, this article must go in either the first direction or the second. The current format is a shoddy attempt at a middle ground between these two, and it needs major cleanup.
:No, there is a direct continuation. This article is about the original modern communist movement (which originates in the ComIntern). It still exists as a political community. --Soman 18:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of the justifications you've attempted to submit so far-- and with all due respect, they seem pretty weak to me-- that does not detract from the fact that the article needs a complete rewrite. Most of it reads like a list, and even the parts that don't are scattered and often ambiguous. I'm going to post this page on an appropriate Talk forum to see if we can't get other people involved in this project. 71.255.198.147 22:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which is it? 

message: I can't find any evidence that a body called the World Communist Movement exists. Can anyone provide some? If there is no such body, this article ought to be scrapped and redirected to History of Communism. Adam 06:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What is this article about?=

message: This article deals with the WCM. None of the passages Contantz mentions do.
*Communist governance is not dealt here, but in Communist states
*Sendero Luminoso is definately outside of WCM, so is KR.
--Soman 16:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The results must be discussed; as great Lenin taught us: the criteria for truth is the praxis.--Constanz - Talk 16:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contantz edit