Talk:Kelly Preston

message: I though the revert by James084 went back a bit too far, so had the side effect of undoing valid changes. I refixed the disambig target, and put back in the children names. The only change that was left was the reference to Secret Admirer. While she did have a part in that, and it was a sex comedy, I don't know if it was a starring role or what her part involved. (So technically that edit <B>could</b> be true, I just don't know, hence why I'm am not putting that back) MartinRe 20:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mark Ebner is an award winning investigative journalist. Just because he writes about Hollywood doesn't make his website "gossip". His article is credible; the "Kawasaki syndrome through carpet cleaning" that Travolta is telling isn't. I am therefore restoring it. --Tilman 07:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: See the discussion on my discussion space... the defects have been corrected, the current version is ok according to WP:BLP. As I said before, this ain't gossip. When I think about it, John and Kelly's story about Kawasaki syndrome, THAT is gossip. --Tilman 06:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tilman, if you will take a look at WP:V, which is wiki policy, not a guideline, it states that blogs are largely not acceptable as sources. "Self-published sources such as blogs should never be used as third-party sources about living persons, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer. See WP:BLP."
It might pass notice if the material were not derogatory and potentially libellous.  S. M. Sullivan 23:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The New York Daily News, which took up the story, is not a blog. --Tilman 08:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: So they took the carpet to the hospital for him to cuddle and it was cleaned there again??? --Tilman 16:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: January 26, 2006

message: When you say "Is of English and Hawaiian descent." What exactly do you mean? She has an English father and a native Hawaiin mother or...? 194.46.226.39 00:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Descent

message: How long has she been a Scientologist? What religion was she before? F W Nietzsche (talk) 00:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Scientology

message: Why does this biography of Kelly Preston exclude the fact that she had a son with Kevin Gage.  This fact used to be reported on all profiles of Kelly Preston but has since been cleansed from many profiles.  You can still see the fact at, among others: http://celebsplash.com/Kelly-Preston-/Kelly-Preston.html   Wiki needs to investigate this. If she has another child, it should be in her profile. If this child is mentally retarded and/or has cerebral palsy this should also be indicated as it is relevant given the controversy surrounding the health of Jett Travolta and the cause of his death.124.186.70.61 (talk) 07:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A couple things. I can't find a reliable source that says this. It was corrected on IMDB a long time ago and the only places that mention it online are sites that are less than stellar and much less than reliable. There is no indication that this was anything more than a vicious rumor that went around some time ago. It's quite relevant that Gage's bios point out specifically that he and Preston had no children. Secondly, your musings about mental retardation or cerebral palsy and the "controversy" surrounding Jett and his death have no place here. There is no controversy about his death of which I'm aware, only news hawks trying to drum up something in the face of tragedy. Please provide a reliable source for a child belonging to her and Gage before trying to reinsert such in this article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

text: IMDB biographies are written by users, there is no verification check to confirm what is put in there. Wikipedia does not accept content sourced from there. For all I know, you put it in her and his bios on IMDB a few years ago when that rumor started circulating. I'm not saying you did, I'm just saying anyone could have. It has no meaning, it isn't verifiable there. The second page you posted comes from the IMDB bio, look at it again. In fact, everything I looked at last night after you posted was rooted from that biography. The other source that "still refers to Kelly Preston having a son with Gage" is an archived (cached) version. It isn't going in. It isn't verifiable. Gage's own webpage addresses this and says they had no children. Because you choose to believe an internet rumor doesn't make it suitable content here. I've read up on this, it's a pet project for anti-Scientology groups to slam Preston and Travolta. It has no place here and is a violation of WP:BLP to include this, which means it can't go in. Wildhartlivie (talk) 17:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kelly Preston's other child?

message: This possible "two weddings" thing is interesting. I hope someone can find some good sourcing for this. I haven't been able to find any yet, though it's in multiple Internet bios on the Preston and Travolta. Perhaps the intense focus on the couple given the son's death will shed some light on this. If true, my suspicion is that the supposed "first wedding" may have been invalid if France (or the local jurisdiction) did not recognize the individual minister, or France (or the local jurisdiction) did not recognize Scientology as an official religion. Does it now? Anybody know?  Beansandveggies (talk) 02:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wedding stuff 

message: I'm finding several Internet sources saying Preston and Gage were actually married from 1986-1988. This time frame makes more sense, given what I've read about her subsequent relationships with Clooney, Sheen, and then marriage to Travolta. In fact, when Preston met Travolta in '87, Travolta says she was already having problems in her marriage. Obviously, this would make more sense if the marriage was already one year old, as opposed to brand-new. Anyhow, anybody know the truth on this? Beansandveggies (talk) 02:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't try to synthesize conclusions from sources. Because they were still married doesn't mean they were still together and time frames are hard to figure. Another problem that comes up is that a great many internet sources copy information from others, so mistakes get perpetuated. I'd point out the comments above that because one source at some point said that Preston and Gage had a child, suddenly a lot of sites said the same thing. Then it just doesn't go away. The Kevin Gage website said they dated for a couple years before marrying. That widens the time frame, I've known marriages to fall apart soon after the wedding, even for people who were together a very long time. The Yahoo! biography on Preston gives the 1987-1989 time frame and my experience from there is that it is quite reliable. Meanwhile, what I'd really like to see happen to this page is that the career section get some proper attention. It is virtually non-existent. I'd caution a little bit on the about.com pages. Often, they aren't accepted as completely reliable. One thing I'd point out is that it says that Preston's birth name was Palsiz, which isn't correct. The parts that come directly from published sources, such as Redbook, etc., are reliable, but those should be the reference, not about.com. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree with Beansandveggies; I was just about to post the same here. Clooney appears to have given Preston his famous pot-bellied pig in 1988 (he kept it after they split up, see Max (pig). IMDB has 1986–1988 for her marriage to Gage: ; so have a number of online sources: . OPf more interest, however, is that reliable sources, incl. the Chicago Tribune and The Mirror, say her marriage to Gage lasted from 1985 to 1987:  Jayen466 12:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kevin Gage marriage years 

message: First off,is this the proper way to bring something to your attention? I am sorry for my past postings. I should have looked into the proper way to do things.
Kelly is in the movie "Casino Jack",which just rapped in Toronto. I don't know why alot of media sources haven't picked up on it? Maybe the movie studio wanted to keep a rap on it because of kelly's situation. Imdb lists her in the cast,but as rumored. However,Kevin Spacey confirmed she was his co-star on his twitter page. I only found one website that says she signed to be in the movie,that is cinemablend. I don't know if that's enough,but I felt like i needed to bring it to your attention.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=13183
Penny47 (talk) 20:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this would be a proper way to ask such questions. We usually do not add upcoming films that are listed only as rumored on IMDB, or are not listed at all without reliable sources. I don't believe that Twitter would be regarded as a reliable source because it violates the WP:ELNO policy regarding social and forum sites and I'm not convinced cinemablend is considered reliable either. I don't doubt that Preston is in the film, but we can wait until something more mainstream publishes that. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Undoubtedly. It will start having more publicity soon, I would imagine. YouTube has it's own RS problems, since a lot of the time, content is under copyright and we can't use it here. Keep looking! Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

text: If it's listed there, it can probably be safely added. IMDB probably got confirmation from the production company. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casino Jack 

message: Story is given that Kelly Preston broke up with Charlie Sheen shortly after he accidentally shot her in the arm. This was a rumor that went around for a long time, but Charlie Sheen has since come public with the true events:
In 2001 Sheen told Playboy magazine that it was a "complete accident. I wasn't even in the room. She picked up a pair of my pants. ... A little revolver fell out of my back pocket, hit the bathroom floor and went off. It shot a hole through the toilet and she got hit in the leg with shrapnel."
--Sourced from CNN.com
My recommendation is to either implement a past relationship category on this page, or to simply remove the reference to this incident entirely
173.33.166.140 (talk) 08:58, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the statement in the article is sourced, and despite the spin Sheen put on it was investigated in regard to how it is presented. Your recommendation is wrong. This is actually contained in a Relationship section and it is sourced. It should not be censored by removing it. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Which may well have been lifted from his self-serving statement. Meanwhile, his official CBS biography states that he shot her.  I would tend to think if his employer's statement was wrong, he'd make an effort to correct it. The CBS bio profile has replaced the Yahoo link. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Don't muddy the waters. The point is that there is an official biography from his employers that supports the statement. Sheen would have a decided personal interest in spinning this to his advantage, thus the CNN article falls under self-interest. It's very difficult to verify what Yahoo bios are based on, maybe the CNN self-serving statement. And where is there consensus that this isn't true? Your opinion. That's not consensus. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:47, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Again, you are basing it on comments made by Sheen, a clearly self-serving issue. Hasn't it occurred to you that one source copies the other? So far, the only other sources you have come up with are based on that interview. You haven't come up with something verifiably independent of Sheen. And start signing your postings by using four tildes. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Actually, do not make legal threats or you will wind up blocked. The statement is sourced to a valid and verifiable independent source. And once again, you have failed to produce a reliable source besides ones that rely on the statement by Sheen, who has a vested interest in putting himself in a positive light. You have no authority to deem anything true, Wikipedia is based on verifiablity, not truth as you believe it. I'm growing tired of this discussion. I say the same things each time: 
*1) The statement is validly sourced.
*2) The source is independent of Sheen's publicity support.
*3) No independent third party verifiable source has been presented to support the other view. 
*4) Wikipedia content is based on verifiability and not "truth". 
*5) To continue to post the same arguments ad nauseum is unproductive. 
Thus, if you cannot produce an independent reliable third party source that says otherwise, the current reference stands. And I will not respond further without this. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Pfft. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charlie Sheen incident 

message: The year should suffice it seems. --Tom (talk) 16:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed exact DOB of minor

message: The son Benjamin is in a section titled "Son's Death" (Jett). I think he should have his own section. Or the section needs to be renamed. How about: "Children"? Green Morning (talk) 22:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Children of celebrities do not usually have their own section unless they are celebrities themselves. Jett's death, although extremely tragic, falls under this. I am sure the Travoltas would not want to open Wiki and find undue emphasis of this tragedy in their lives.  Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 22:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I like your solution. Thanks, Green Morning (talk) 03:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Son Benjamin

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: * (the middle name "Kamalelehua" means 'garden of lehuas' in Hawaiian - a lehua being a well known Hawaiian flower)
MOS says not to make side comments in parentheses. In addition the content seems off topic, trivia and I vote for its removal. Any insights or thoughts from others?-- — Keithbob • Talk •  20:14, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You're probably right. Debresser (talk) 08:00, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  i agree, it's pointless trivia.  however, what WOULD be nice is a comment as to whether one or the other parents were, in fact, (part) HAWAIIAN.  or whether this was another case of haole wannabes "appropriating" a local name.  esp during the hippie 60s.  66.30.47.138 (talk) 10:36, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Early Years section - off topic text

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Kelly was a Delta Gamma at the University of Southern California.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.204.99.174 (talk) 16:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: And? Wyliepedia @ 07:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kelly Preston 

message: Her oldest son Jett died aged 16 from a seizure in 2009.
I tried to amend it for you however you don’t appear to allow edits anymore directly on your pages/articles. Fnia (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has restricted edit access due to past vandalism.  You may edit the article and see if your revision gets approved, though I do not see any location in the article that needs to be amended.  --Super Goku V (talk) 21:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kelly Preston, 2 living children 

message: I added, using the standard Infobox template, cause of death.  I've had it reverted twice, with no discussion. 
Let's discuss here.
I believe this is important, and it has been widely discussed in the media - including the public announcement by her husband.
— ERcheck (talk) 02:26, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As per the template documentation, this parameter should be included only when significant to notability and not when a routine illness - this case clearly falls into the latter camp and not the former. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:35, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: — Nikkimaria - I do not agree that it is not significant.  It is not a "routine" illness.  It is a major cause of death among women in the U.S., and many speak out to raise awareness.  Her family felt it significant enough to reveal it after her death.  — ERcheck (talk) 18:34, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not significant to her notability. While you are unfortunately correct that it is a major cause of death among women in the US... that's kind of what "routine" means. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I also respectfully disagree. It is notable that she died of breast cancer, given that it is such a major cause of death amongst women worldwide. I believe it is notable that this is what she died from. It is unacceptable, in so many ways, to consider that death from breast cancer is not important or a notable thing that can happen to women. I don't understand why it is something we should be keeping quiet... - Chris.sherlock (talk) 08:47, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

text: I respectfully disagree.  While it is a major cause of death amongst women, it is in no way "routine"!  Celebrities have been shining a light on breast cancer, because it is important to raise awareness to aim for early detection. That her family publicized the particular cause of death, including mentioning MD Anderson, means that it is significant / notable. Let's let others weigh in. — ERcheck (talk) 23:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

text:  Note, Congressman John Lewis' infobox includes his cause of death (pancreatic cancer).  He is notable for his work in the U.S. Congress and as a civil rights leader.  His cause of death - well publicized - is included in the infobox.  — ERcheck (talk) 19:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Noting that it was removed in this edit.  Instead of cherry-picked results, I attempted to use Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_person to get non-bias results.  The results are sadly bias towards alphabetical order, but I will attempt a different method if this is still a problem.  From the 50 articles listed there, around 5 were living and around 45 were deceased.  Out of those about 45 articles, only 2 were noteworthy: Alexander Graham Bell and Albert Camus.  For Bell, there is a few notes at the bottom of the infobox with one being about two of his children dying shortly after birth.  For Camus, his death is listed in the infobox as a Car accident, making it the only article out of the 45 articles to list the cause of death.  Thus, to User:ERcheck, what reasons (notable and not) are there for listing the cause of death?  --Super Goku V (talk) 22:27, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

text: I would Oppose inclusion in the infobox. She is known for being an actress and model. If she had had some philanthropy or activism regarding breast cancer then I might be convinced, but lacking that, her disease is not significant to her notability. Elizium23 (talk) 00:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose since she kept it quiet. Yes, it is a major cause of death. A compromise might be a category at the top of the page, which I would support including. The current category :Category:Deaths from breast cancer generates a list of persons, seems appropriate, and might be helpful for analysis.Fred (talk) 22:40, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of Death - include in infobox? Your thoughts please. 

message: Gotti with John Travolta was not a mini-series that was a feature film release.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.122.216.158 (talk) 22:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gotti 

message: The edit User:Maxikray made contains incorrect statements. Firstly, before the edit, the wording was correct - the shot was accidental, not alleged. Even the source TMZ added by the user says: "Kelly Preston ... confirming he did not pull the trigger during the infamous 1990 shooting incident ... and insisting the whole thing was a "complete accident." Secondly, based on the text of the source, Preston never claimed that Sheen did not shoot her; only that the shot was unintentional, accidental, as it was mentioned earlier, before the edit. Therefore, the statement "Preston claimed that Sheen did not shoot her" is false and the entire edit should be canceled, because it is actually misleading and worsens the quality of the article. --92.255.216.62 (talk) 17:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  accidentally/allegedly  

message: Just wanted to point out that her middle name doesn't mean "garden of lehuas" in Hawaiian. It would need to be spelled Kamalalehua to mean that. 50.113.31.29 (talk) 09:38, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hawaiian name