Talk:Hoe (tool)

message: It seems that this page is prone to vandalism despite not being a hot or controversial topic. Reverted to last known 'good' version. Tripledot 09:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because it sounds like a well-known slang word. Axeman89 00:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been watching this page for a while and I think that the level of vandalism doesn't require semiprotection.  The article does receive legitimate edits and has improved over the past year.  Darkspots (talk) 13:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-protect?

message: There is no mention of the use of a hoe to mix mortar, cement or concrete (usually in a wheel barrow). In Australia this is called a "larry" (or perhaps lary) two suppliers refer to the tool as a "mortar hoe" http://www.axminster.co.uk/user_search//sfile/1/jump/0/product-Stubai-Mortar-Hoe-20423.htm & http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/9-Mortar-Hoe/EN/index.htm and I have also found the term "mason's hoe"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by UTS cob (talk • contribs) 05:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mortar Hoe 

message: It appears none of the images are good representations for the typical use case -- only the last image shows the common tool, and it is shown without the handle... jhawkinson (talk) 18:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better, thanks! jhawkinson (talk) 10:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I can donate this one of my hula hoe and i can take a better one later, an action shot. SageRad (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images could use improvement? 

message: Well, i did a major edit, for clarity and organization, and incorporated many of the things we talked about in the last few days here. Please don't simply revert that without some discussion. I worked on it and i think it's a lot better than the previous state of the article. I hope we can work from this point on smaller edits and refine it.
Here is a summary of my changes:
* used most common names in the list of types -- like "hoop hoe" instead of "stirrup hoe" for the main label. I kept "stirrup hoe" with the other names in the list, and included "hula hoe" in the list as well. 
* used "draw hoe" instead of "pull hoe" for the main label for that category. It seems much more common as a name for the type of hoe.
* classes of hoe --> changed to "draw hoe" and "scuffle hoe" as per discussion. Dutch hoe is a type of scuffle hoe, not the whole class. 
* general readability, and brevity.
Hope you like it, and i hope this gives us a good new ground to work on.  SageRad (talk) 12:57, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the same thing. I do like the distinction between the scuffle hoes and the draw hoes, as major classes of hoes, but maybe it would be better explained under just one heading "Types of Hoes". There are also other kinds of hoes that don't fit those classes, like the clam hoe and the mixing hoe, i think... but i do like the distinction between surface weeding versus soil moving hoes being in this article. SageRad (talk) 18:37, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Yes, the categories/classes/families of draw hoes and scuffle hoes is useful and shouldn't be lost. But I suspect a greater flexibility than just the draw/scuffle/other classes will be useful when documenting the hoes from other eras and cultures. Batternut (talk) 20:39, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major edit*  

message: These two terms are Indonesian and Malaysian, respectively, for "hoe" -- but they refer to a shorter-handled hoe, more like the adze hoe. They're not in the article yet. I wonder if we can add just a mention of these in the same list with adze hoe. And maybe do we need some more inclusion of hoes of different cultures and places? SageRad (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I did add them in. I suggest that we may find many versions of the hoe around the world, and it would be good include those that seem to be anything different from the hoes already described in the article. Just being another word for "hoe" doesn't qualify but if it seems to be something different at all from another common hoe, then i'd suggest it deserves inclusion, at least just the word so it shows up on Google searches and brings people to the diversity of hoes. SageRad (talk) 10:37, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pacul or cangkul 

message: I'm wondering about the "gang hoe" term -- I'm not familiar and when i Google "gang hoe" what comes up is not related to agriculture. I wonder if this is a real term, or if it's an uncommon name for another thing. What is powered use of a gang hoe, as described in the article? Can we figure this out and source it, if it's real, or pull it out if it's a joke? Maybe it such an obscure thing or a compound term, or maybe it's a real thing. Here is one reference i found: this patent. Not "gang hoe" as a term but a lot of references to rotary weeding hoes in a gang. SageRad (talk) 11:46, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gang Hoe -- real? 

message: The last "citation needed" tag is on this sentence: "The short-handled hoe that Governor Jerry Brown gave to César Chávez in 1975 was displayed in the California Hall of Fame in 2006."
I did a half hour of searching and didn't turn up anything on this at all. However, there is plenty of talk about Chavez and Brown's relationship, and the short-handled hoe and the wear and tear on the human body of the workers that was caused by its use. I think that the hoe being in the museum is not really noteworthy and i cannot find a source for it. However, i will rework the paragraph to include mention of Chavez and Brown and just to leave out the detail about the hoe in the museum. If anyone disagrees, you an revert and discuss here.  SageRad (talk) 16:38, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Wear and tear on the human body is an issue of improper usage. The problem for backs crops up when people dont keep their spine flat and dont use the head of the tool. It would be like someone who wrenches their  upper back left or right when they hit a tree with an axe. That wont cause it to cut after the axe has already connected. That just causes back injuries. Proper use of hand hoes can be seen in china or africa among elderly workers, especially since poor/indigenous groups tend to have straighter spines to begin with, since its all about spine alignment. When using a hoe, you swing and then let weight and momentum finish the job. If you actually try pulling when it hits dirt and it bites too deep, you're just putting tons of strain on your back and not doing much work, if any. The rules are as follows: Sit back when bending over. Clench the buttocks and abdomen for greater support. Hold some tension in your lower back to support the spine. Do not lean left or right within the axis of the spine. If you lean, lean at the hips with the spine still straight. If you want to use the hoe, rather improperly to try to dig giant clumps out of the ground, sink it in, then use the handle as a lever to pull up the dirt. Don't try to manhandle the dirt out by pulling the handle toward you if its still solid. If the dirt is broken up and well rubbled, pulling the dirt out of the ground should be a motion consistent with bent-over rows in the gym with heavy weight and sitting back as if you're trying to sit in a chair, to use your body weight. If you feel all the strain in your back and your legs dont feel like they're working when you try to pull something out of a hole, you're injuring your back every time you perform the movement. If you misalign your spine, bend at the wrong places, and use the tools improperly, you're injuring your spine. The common grub hoe is more capably used to indian-style scalp the landscape. View any grubbing of the land for the creation of roadways and the giant bucket dozer does not try to pull up all the earth at once. It scrapes along eating a very small portion of the earth, despite its size and horsepower. Smaller bites = less chance of injuring yourself. Shallower angle = the hoe works to clear away the ground without requiring "manhandling" it when it connects to the ground. Injuries in the gym or in the field are caused by User Error. 172.83.238.19 (talk) 07:55, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The hoe given by Jerry Brown to Cesar Chavez 

message: "The human damage caused by long-term use of short-handled hoes, which required the user to bend over from the waist to reach the ground." Henriio (talk) 07:34, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this mean