Talk:Mouthwash

message: Unless there is evidence of antibiotic resistance (with a source), it should not be included in the article. -SCEhardT 02:56, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: this mentions tests indicating minocycline causes slight plaque bacteria resistance.  (But it's a prescription product, not something found in normal mouthwashes.)  -Elvey 00:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Antibiotic resistance

message: The venerable Listerine and plain Hydrogen peroxide are common examples. (but we don't want the page becoming a list of brand names...) -Elvey 00:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think it's necessary for a citation for hydrogen peroxide -- any bottle of it has instructions for use as a mouthwash on the label on the side.  It's common knowledge, or should be.  (71.192.231.95 23:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Examples

message: Does anyone else find that the sentence about SmartMouth is written like an advertisement?  I think it should be omitted. WillV 09:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; it sounds exactly like something you'd hear in a television commercial. Jagan 18:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree. Also the line about TheraBreath seems like a plug. mooingpolarbear 01:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SmartMouth Ad 

message: Crest Pro-Health Mouthwash: "I Woke Up With Brown Spots On My Teeth" —Werson (talk) 18:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pro-Health controversy

message: The article states:
:The first  known reference to mouth rinsing is in the Chinese medicine, about 2700 BCE, for treatment of gingivitis.
I just added a  tag because I strongly suspect this may be a reference to the Neijing Suwen . This is a book in traditional Chinese medicine which has traditionally been claimed to have written about 2700 BC; however, modern historical research indicates that it actually dates to somewhere between 400 BC and 260 AD -- but at any rate, thousands of years more recent than the traditional date. -- Securiger (talk) 11:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request citation for Traditional Chinese Medicine claim 

message: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WF1-4VVW4XS-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=948218528&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=d8e850fe40ec82ba43ad7c91299b4ffc
--222.67.214.35 (talk) 09:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  FYI..... 

message: www.oralb.com/
--222.67.204.146 (talk) 11:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can not find products mentioned here at... 

message: from this site, as I'm having difficulties of accessing this site
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&q=act+mouthwash&aq=0&oq=Act+mou&aqi=g10
actfloride.com
--222.67.204.146 (talk) 11:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please provide labeling info...  

message: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10320243
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10448047
--222.64.21.241 (talk) 12:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please kindly provide lebeling info of 

message: Please kindly locate it, based the info of the product label
http://www.stof.com.cn/b2c/detail.asp?tid=25&pid=34&sid=25
--58.38.43.150 (talk) 11:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  CAS No. of 玉洁纯....??? 

message: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=allintitle:+mouthwash+cancer&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&start=0&sa=N
--222.67.212.32 (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More debates about mouthwash and oral cancer.... 

message: http://www.masson.com.cn/
needs to be verified, because
* The company's address does not match the product of what I have
the label on the one of mine shows: 广东广州市广花四路棠新西街53号  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.64.213.0 (talk) 00:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The website of ..... 

message: Can we just put the research here instead of merely suggesting that a certain Australian researcher believes that they shouldn't be used on a long-term basis?
Maybe just "A recent study by a University of Queensland research team found that prolonged use was XYZ," or whatever the case may be?
Thanks - Bblakeney (talk) 04:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "However, one Australian researcher believes mouthwash should only be used as a short-term solution."  

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thread_title: File:Colgate Alcohol Free Mouthwash.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: This link (reference 4 at the time I'm writing this) is broken. --N-k (talk) 05:41, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: Alcohol containing mouthwash products have disappeared from all major supermarkets and pharmacies in the last few months. Is this as commercial descision? or has there been a change in the law ? The change is so significant as to be worth comment.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Excelis4 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK situation 

message: Re: "citation needed" on various active ingredients in mouthwash; I've seen most of them in the active ingredients lists for various mouthwash products at the grocery store recently; not sure if "ingredient list for Xxxx brand mouthwash" is an acceptable citation, though, nor how to cite it ---- sep
:A primary source is better than nothing. It ought to be fine for something as uncontroversial as that. —rybec 00:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  commonly used active ingredients citations 

message: Currently the article lists alcohol as an active ingredient.  However most alcohol-containing mouthwashes in the US currently specifically list alcohol as an inactive ingredient. It appears this has not always been the case. See:  Dforest (talk) 22:42, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Alcohol an active ingredient?

message: Mouthwash or mouth rinse is a method of administering any liquid medication. It does not have to be an antiseptic, although most mouthwashes for sale in shops are. Lesion (talk) 15:50, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked in some online dictionaries and some indeed used wording like "usually an antispectic", e.g. . I am re-working the lead accordingly. Lesion (talk) 01:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition too narrow 

message: I have re-organized the article a bit, and merged gargling (so little left after unsupported content was removed it was basically a few lines to merge here) and magic mouthwash. I have sorted a few small problems here and there but this article has significant problems. I direct editors' attention to WP:MEDRS, a guideline to help identify suitable sources for Wikipedia's medical content. Original research studies are not appropriate. We should use secondary sources (e.g. review papers in reputable peer review journals), or tertiary sources (e.g. mainstream medical textbooks). Lesion (talk) 12:25, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is very bad 

message: As per references given, long term analysis of wide variety of studies, have clearly established the efficacy of Essential oils. Whereas, there has been only limited studies on Edible oils and they are not conclusive. So please do not put both of them under the same sub-heading, as that would be extremely misleading.J mareeswaran (talk) 15:08, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separated Edible/Vegetable Oils and Essential Oils 

message: This is wrong. For the same reason people should "spit don't rinse"  after toothbrushing, mouthwashing should not be done after toothbrushing so as to not remove the fluoride residue on the teeth. Lesion (talk) 14:35, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Mouthwashing after using fluoride toothpaste?

message: I reorganized the article, since there was duplication (e.g. between "flavoring agents" and "xylitol"). The ingredients section is really ugly at the moment, but hopefully that will improve. I didn't have enough time to go through each ingredient and look for reliable sources, so I just kept everything, but it definitely needs some WP:UNDUE-style editing.
The old sections had two distinctions, custom/common and active/inactive. The active/inactive distinction is pretty much meaningless, see FDA's FAQ ("Alcohol is a good example of an ingredient that may be considered either active or inactive depending on the product formulation"); basically the active ingredients are whatever the manufacturer decides to market the product as, and all the others (regardless of efficacy) end up inactive. The custom distinction is reasonable on first glance, and there is the discussion of "magic mouthwashes" which could be extended to talk about bespoke medicine in general, but that's more a history/usage thing than something relevant to the ingredients. An ingredient can be used in both common and custom mouthwashes so again it's not very good for organizing the article. --Mathnerd314159 (talk) 16:55, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. It is more reader friendly as a simple list. Matthew Ferguson (talk) 07:34, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization 

message: The content about this topic is currently split over these 2 articles. Oil pulling is an oil mouthwash, it is easily included within the scope of the other page, and there is not much left to merge here since much was recently removed Lesion (talk) 02:53, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are not analogous situations, if you read this article you will see. Merge is correct, indeed wikipedia's content on "oil pulling" is already dealt with in both places. There is not enough content left on oil pulling to justify a stand alone article. It should be mentioned in terms of oil mouthwashes here, and also in the society and culture section. Lesion (talk) 11:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Except we don't have any sources which actually validate any of those claims for oil-based products and practices, so we can't discuss them at length.  And you are actually incorrect that there is no overlap; "fights plaque and maintain healthy teeth and gums" is actually one of the claims made for oil pulling.  An unproven claim that is --how do I put this as neutrally as possible under the circumstances-- is unlikely to have a complex and empirically verifiable bio-physical mechanism proposed for it that is supported by a source deemed reliable in the sense of our policies.  It seems that you might be a believer in the phenomenon, so I'll add the caveats that A) Should such research (and reporting on said research) actually materialize, that would be a different story, but it can't be just any source and B) those dubious of its usefulness also can't say "It's an ineffective mouthwash but has persisted as a phenomena due to claims of dubious (or at least unverified) scientific veracity" unless/until we find a reliable source connecting those two factors or it will be synthesis. What should be noted is that its proposed mechanism has not in any way been validated and has been questioned by biomedical researchers (our sources do support that).  Other than that, we can't discuss the proposed mechanisms at length because our sources haven't, so that leaves only the broad intent, which has sufficient cross-over with other "gargling" procedures that this surely the appropriate article to place the content that can't at present be grown beyond a stub, based on our sources.  Snow (talk) 04:59, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

text: See my reply on talk:Oil pulling, mouthwash is not just an oral hygiene activity. Content on oil pulling at detoxification (alternative medicine) is valid suggestion, but should also remain some info here about essential oil mouthwashes. Lesion 12:09, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Gah, regret splitting this discussion over 2 pages. The AfD has also been procedurally closed fyi.
*  Arlo James Barnes 07:20, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Oil pulling]] 

message: What was the (first known) ancient reference to mouthwash? A reference to mouth rinsing was in ancient China, as early as 2700 BCE, for treatment of gum disease.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4956236/#pone.0159843.ref001
 However current article states it's Ayurveda, but it doesn't really state any specific date in its given sources. Robinchan99 (talk) 02:08, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who was first?