Talk:Cape Cod

message: One cannot deny P-town's gay and lesbian tourist attractions in addition to the whale watching that takes place. I added a blurb covering that. Colby Peterson 16:52, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Whale-watching is a major subsection of the Cape's tourism sector (see the already listed CoC links.  The gay tourism is important, but not to the whole Cape (to that end, it is no more important than any other demographic tourism).  It should be listed on Provincetown's article because of its special relevance there. FEastman 23:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: P-town

message: Why are there two very similar sattelite images of Cape Cod on the page?  To the untutored eye, at least, there doesn't seem to be any significant difference between them to justify them both.  Just wondering if someone could explain it to me. Billy Shears 22:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not know why 2 photos are there but one is an astronaut photo (Spring 1997) and the other is a MISR satellite image from April 13, 2000. One way to tell them apart is cloud locations in one but not the other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skifree47 (talk • contribs) 17:29, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture Question 

message: External linking wars in this article, particularly among those promoting particular Cape Cod travel and information portals and personal sites, are growing extremely tiresome.  There are so many such sites (e.g. capecod.com, capecodtravel.com, ecape.com, capecodtoday.com, capelinks.com etc. etc. etc.) that linking to any particular one is prohibitive.
From the guidelines on Wikipedia:External links:
Occasionally acceptable links [...] Web directories: When deemed appropriate by those contributing to an article on Wikipedia, a link to one web directory listing can be added, with preference to open directories (if two are comparable and only one is open). If deemed unnecessary, or if no good directory listing exists, one should not be included. (emphasis added)
The regional Chamber site is the least volatile/advertising-sensitive of these options, and adequate in providing the directory feature.  If there is consensus that the Chamber site itself is too controversial or divisive, that too could be eliminated.  It is not Wikipedia's role to provide commercial links, even if they are under the guise of "directory assistance."  This article should be about the Cape itself, not which advertiser has been here most recently.
CapeCodEph 21:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The CapeCodToday site is an open directory and provides the most extensive info on Cape Cod. The CapeCodTravel site is the local leading tourism guide (print & web) and should also stay (it actually predates the chamber site). They are added for the benefit of WikiPedia visitors seeking relevant info; the "advertising" benefits are marginal as there are never more than a few referals a month from this source. Please leave them on the page. Thank You.BooRadley 16:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While it is true these two sites may be open directories, as previously stated it is impossible to qualify any particlar directory as "the most extensive" or "the leading" source considering how many there are.  Contributors from numerous other sites with similar listings would disagree, and choosing one because of contributor persistence, circulation numbers, smallest advertising revenues, or longevity opens a huge can of worms.  Furthermore, these sites do not contribute directly to the content of the article, and so are not suitable as references either.  I move to have all directory sites removed--Chamber included--if it's going to cause problems.  OTHER COMMENTS WELCOME CapeCodEph 16:46, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It is a drag that people keep putting commercial site links in this article--and it seem to be done by anonymous editors usually. I agree that it should stop. -Eric (talk) 19:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising Links 

message: The two sections "History" and "Geography" seem to have been lopped off earlier today by a user with only an IP address.  SInce there is no explanation, and these are valid sections, I reinstated the immediately previous edit.   Perhaps this was a mistake, but it was done in two edits, so I don't know. Tvoz 19:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why were History and Geography removed? 

message: Why is Mashpee, Massachusetts highlighted in the image of Cape Cod at the top of the article? FEastman 00:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cape Cod image 

message: As a large part of the history of the Cape and a vital part of the history of our country lighthouses are very important. I think that the lighthouses of Cape Cod deserve mentioning. Could someone please add brief history's as well as some pictures (cannot get any without breaking copyrights) for some of the lighthouses of Cape Cod.
Also I believe that the light savers, and some famous shipwrecks of Cape Cod as a large part of its history should be a larger part of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.132.135 (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lighthouses

message: The reason provided to explain why the Cape gets less rainfall than the rest of Massachusetts is 100% wrong. The correct reason is that air-mass thunderstorms are not common over the peninsula in the summer due to maritime air disturbing their organization. And yes, I am a meteorologist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gligg (talk • contribs) 22:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rainfall 

message: Should this article be merged with Barnstable County, Massachusetts?  Pretty much everything you could say about the one, you could say about the other, and yet the two articles are very different. -- Beland 18:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I would not support a merge: Barnstable County, Massachusetts is an article about a political subdivision of the Commonwealth.  Cape Cod is geographic, political, historic,  cultural - there is a difference, and I think the encyclopedia can comfortably support both articles, cross-referenced to one another. Tvoz |talk 18:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: Vampire Weekend refers to Cape Cod in two of their songs: Walcot and Cape Cod Kwassa Kwassa. I'm not sure of what to do with that and if it's even noteworthy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.172.119.164 (talk) 17:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's noteworthy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.234.133 (talk) 11:41, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vampire Weekend 

message: I just added alot of new information on The Lower Cape. --Worldviews190 (talk) 04:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lower Cape 

message: Is there a reason why Nobska Light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobska_Light) isn't listed as a cape lighthouse?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.24.6 (talk) 20:51, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nobska

message: In the movie The Core actress Hilary Swank says "we are dodging diamonds the size of Cape Cod" at the mantle/core interface. it struck me as funny.[] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.63.91.140 (talk) 22:33, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the movies 

message: The section entitled "Geography and political divisions" has been hijacked way off course. Three paragraphs that once simply enumerated the towns and their villages have been expanded into mini travel guides, and every time I come across this, it irritates me like nails on a chalkboard:
This stuff is like Kudzu... if it's allowed to take hold, it'll spread all over the place, as is evidenced by the recent additions to the Mid Cape:
and now the Lower Cape paragraph has gotten it too:
Does this bother anyone else?  These passages violate Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a travel guide, and some of it also violates Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.  These are policies, not guidelines.  Most of this stuff should be taken to Wikivoyage. Very little of it has anything to do with "Geography and political divisions", and I believe the few notable words above are already covered elsewhere. Unless somebody can talk me out of it, this is fair warning that I'm getting my axe sharpened for some spring pruning...  Grollτech (talk)
:I second that emotion. Let the pruning begin! Eric talk 18:19, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The redlinks of the Upper Cape and the beaches of the Lower Cape 

message: (Moving this from my user talk page as suggested... -- Beland (talk) 20:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: PS-- move this there if you like! Eric talk 21:29, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I mentioned the Cape Cod Rail Trail connects with trails in the Cape Cod National Seashore because Cape Cod Rail Trail said it connects to the Nauset Bike Trail, which goes into the CCNS.  Looking at the map you found, however, it appears they merely pass near each other but do not connect directly.  I corrected that article.  The map shows the trails in CCNS are disjoint, so the way you left this article seems right.  As for the talk page stuff, I checked around and the shiny new  seems like exactly what you're looking for.  If it works as promised, we should both get a notification for this very message.  I'm adding it to my list of favorite templates! -- Beland (talk) 20:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Everything looks good, and thanks for the template! Eric talk 21:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction on bike trails 

message: I am moving the following unsourced and dubious assertion to the talk page for now:
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I say "unsourced" because the cited source does not support the assertion that was made in the text. Specifically, the "Cape and Islands region" is not the same as the "Cape Cod Canal region".  —grolltech(talk) 13:36, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Grolltech- I'm sure that at least Plymouth has always been considered as part of the Cape from a geological standpoint, but I can't quote you a source at the moment. I don't think the sentence you removed was well written or placed, but if we found a source for my geological memory, it might be worth mentioning in the section below. From a quick search, I'm guessing that these sources might be point to some answers: USGS data page UMass geo survey USGS surficial geology data page Eric talk 15:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I will note, however that the Cape Cod Commission Act (1989) opens with, "The region commonly known as Cape Cod, comprised of Barnstable county, including all geographic areas to the jurisdictional limit of the commonwealth, possesses unique natural, coastal, scientific, historical, cultural, architectural, archaeological, recreational, and other values..." (emphasis added).  —grolltech(talk) 22:53, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, as they say, what is commonly known as Cape Cod—implying an acknowledgment of other interpretations. I think of the Cape as everything this side of the canal, but I have long been led to believe that geologists view it otherwise. Eric talk 04:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

text: I'd be willing to accept a geological explanation, but a summer baseball league, not so much.  And  if we truly want to talk about the "historical" connection, then you might be interested to know that "Cape Cod" used to refer exclusively to the area that is today known as the Town of Provincetown (formerly, the "Precinct of Cape Cod").  Otherwise, the reason the Pilgrims set sail for Plymouth (as opposed to anywhere else) is that from Provincetown, where they first landed, Plymouth appears as the largest land mass on the horizon.  It had nothing to do with modern-day inclusion or exclusion of Plymouth as part of "Cape Cod". —grolltech(talk) 01:45, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plymouth and Wareham 

message: I propose that Cape Cod and Islands be merged here into Cape Cod. I think that the content in the Cape Cod and Islands article can easily be explained in the context of Cape Cod, and the Cape Cod and Islands article is a small article and is in need of updating. Merging the article here will give the article more detailed information. For a new name I suggest Cape Cod and Islands. I want to merge the article here at Cape Cod as it is a much larger article than the Cape Cod and Islands. --Aidan721 (talk) 20:08, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The Cape and Islands article didn't need to be created. Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard both have robust articles of their own. Eric talk 22:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: For a new name I suggest Cape Cod and Islands. So your suggestion is just to move info from Cape Cod article into Cape Cod and Islands? If so, I will oppose to name change from Cape Cod to Cape Cod and Islands since everyone knows Cape Cod as the main island, and I doubt that anyone would care for the Islands. I for one, know Cape Cod as one big island, and 90% of the whole population knows that too.--Mishae (talk) 23:06, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sorry, I missed the initial proposed new name. I disagree with that idea. The Cape Cod article should remain as named. While the peninsula and its island neighbors are often referred to in the same sentence, they do not form an entity that would require an encyclopedia entry. It might be worth a brief mention somewhere in the CC article that "Cape and Islands" is a term often used to describe this part of Massachusetts--that will suffice. Eric talk 01:10, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in favor of merging. Rracecarr (talk) 21:49, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

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message: What is this? Cape Cod must have a Csb climate, not a Cfb climate due to the many rainy days in winter and few rainy days during summer. You must be joking by saying that. Koppen is brainless.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.55.166 (talk) 02:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Few Summer wet days 

message: Since 2004 it has been the Park Service (Cape Cod National Seashore) and the Society.
Partnership Agreement signed June, 2004 On May 24, 2004, the long-awaited Partnership Agreement between the Nauset Light Preservation Society and the National Park Service was signed. NLPS president Richard Ryder and Cape Cod National Seashore superintendent Maria Burks affixed their signatures to the agreement. It will be in effect for five years, after which time, the agreement will be subject to renewal. Past presidents Hawkins Conrad and Pam Nobili were among those attending the signing.
Under the agreement, NLPS operates Nauset Light as a private aid to navigation, and is responsible for all utilities, repair and maintenance associated with the tower and the oil house. http://www.nausetlight.org/NLupdate.htm 
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message: Considering all routes and ferry companies are described it does not fall under WP:NOTTRAVEL. There are no suggestions as to which route is the best. Md2022 (talk) 12:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sufficient to simply state that there is ferry service between certain ports. No need to elaborate. Ferry companies and vessel names change over time; see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Statements_likely_to_become_outdated. Plus, if a section or sub-section were warranted for travel via water, "Maritime" is not how we name it. Eric talk 14:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Transport over water is quite literally defined as maritime transport ( see the wikipedia page Maritime transport). Also, ferry lines and their operators are akin to the rail companies and rail operators of train lines, which are also included. Md2022 (talk) 19:53, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: To expand, please follow the WP:DR guidelines and find new citations and/or find a compromise better than simply deleting the entire section. Due to their infrastructural differences it is only logical for them to be different sections, even if you feel the need to heavily cut content. Md2022 (talk) 20:27, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , you appear to be reverting other editors' changes merely to get your way. That is not how it works here. See Wikipedia:Edit_warring. Besides restoring what I see as your superfluous ferry transport content, your reverts have also restored errors in your text that I had corrected. And rest assured that I fully comprehend the meaning of "maritime". Eric talk 21:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if the excess is trimmed, maritime transport still deserves its own separate category, not only due to technological and logistical differences but for its distinct importance in culture and the economy. I'm sure we can compromise. Md2022 (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

text:  Md2022 The long-standing heading is appropriate and consistent with Wikipedia usage. Using "Maritime Travel" implies a broad field  -- especially for islands that host numerous private boats. Thanks,  BCorr|Брайен 23:14, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The heading is entirely new so saying that it is "long standing" is simply wrong. Latest edits include information on use of personal watercraft so your second argument is invalid. Md2022 (talk) 23:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maritime travel section