Talk:Marysville, Ohio

message: The goal of the article is to portray Marysville in as accurate a light as possible - nowhere does the article claim that Marysville is the "greatest community." If you believe there are political, economic, educational, and social problems worth noting in Marysville that have not been represented in the article and you have evidence you can cite, please feel free to edit the article as you wish. Do not complain if you will not take action to rectify any errors or misrepresentations you find in this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blue Mage Az (talk • contribs) 21:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to above comment 

message: Hello everybody. I have added the photo of the Union County Courthouse, is that right for the article? I have been to Marysville when I come there on a schoolar exchange with my High School in Spain, Europe, to Marysville High School. I also have added some information and the school seal to the high school article.
How do you think this article can be improved now? M.Jovellanos (talk) 08:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of the courthouse 

message: I will list some of your points, italicized, and reply.
*The banner is not a plaudit; it's a federal designation, unlike an Academy Award or Cy Young Award. This city didn't win an award, it received a designation.
:I think you have correctly identified a distinction here that had escaped prior notice.  Yet, even as a designation, there is something positive in getting that designation, is there not?  Would a town object to this designation?  I agree that it is different than an award, I'm just not as certain as you appear to be that the distinction is completely stark.
*The political existence of this city is attached to the political designation it received.
:I cannot for the life of me understand what this statement means.  It sounds as if you are saying that, without this designation, the city would have no political existence, and I'm certain that's not what you are trying to say.  So what does this mean?
*The banner is neutral. The banner is unbiased. The banner is factual.
:Yes, it is certainly factual.  And I would not characterize it as biased.  However, as I indicated earlier, it is something that a city would like to have, right?  So it's not, by definition, neutral.  If we were to ask Her Honor, Ms. Schmenk, if she would prefer to have the designation, not have the designation, or if she has no preference on the matter, I imagine she'd consider it something she'd like to have.  So it's not neutral, it's positive.  Now the fact that it is positive doesn't mean that it can't be included in the article.  But it needs to be included, taking into consideration WP:UNDUE.  And the argument being made here by at least some is that the placement of this unusual banner at the very top of the article (as opposed to mentioning the designation elsewhere in the article), violates WP:UNDUE.
*The only weight the banner places in the article is the weight of the entire article itself, not just one aspect of it lacking an attachment to everything else.
:I'm again a bit confused.  The first part seems to be saying that the banner summarizes the article by presenting this federal designation.  But, as comprehensive as this designation is, this designation is not a substitute for a properly written Wikipedia article.  The second part of this statement just totally loses me, you'll need to explain a bit more.
*And, regarding your reply to User:Ohioreader, I think you dismissed him a bit too easily.  Even supposing I grant you your point that the matter is "ambiguous".  Well, then.  Ambiguous matters on Wikipedia are settled by discussion and development of consensus.  Thus far, my friend, you stand completely alone on this matter; not one editor has supported your stand and several have opposed it.  If the matter is inherently ambiguous, then it is settled, but not your way. 98.82.23.93 (talk)
Do National Register of Historic Places infoboxes place undo weight on a particular designation in an article? Wiki Historian N OH
:That's an interesting (and, admitedly, relevant) question, I'll grant you.  And I don't have an answer right now.  But the simple fact that the NRHP banner is confined to the side, in an infobox, makes it inherently less obtrusive than your banner across the top of this article. 98.82.23.93 (talk) 23:45, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Replies to [[User:Wiki Historian N OH|Wiki Historian N OH]]

message: From an outsider's view, yes, the banner is completely out of place and inappropriate.  Mentioning it in the article is appropriate, but care must be taken that it doesn't take up too much space or have too much detail, which this appears to.  It could be summed up in just a few sentences in the History section to be honest.  It really doesn't need its own section.    
There are an enormous amount of point of view words, excessive detail, and boosterism abounding in this article.  Editors need to remember that they are editing according to established Wikipedia standards, not simply as residents of a particular town.  When we edit as "residents" it's easy to get carried away with details and making the town look good rather than providing a neutral, reliably-sourced, encyclopedic article.  This article has tons of sources and a great foundation, but lots of unsourced boosterism/POV statements like "vibrant economy", for instance, that make this article read far more like a town promotional brochure than an encyclopedic article.  Also watch out for excessive detail, particularly in the History section.  WP:USCITY guidelines recommend that if it has over 10 paragraphs and uses subheadings, a "History of..." page might be appropriate with a much smaller summary in the main article.  The idea of city articles is to give a thorough, but still general, idea of a particular town, not dive into detail about every aspect in the town.  
Another issue is that of pictures.  Pictures of Laura Bush and Al Gore are inappropriate for this article in the context they are used.  This article is about Marysville, so pictures in the article need to be directly related to the town and the section they are in, not tangentially related because Laura Bush gave the designation or Al Gore used a product made in the town.  Pictures of them tell us nothing about Marysville. The only time pictures of individuals are appropriate is in the Notable natives and residents section or in the History section for individuals who were directly part of the town's history.  --JonRidinger (talk) 05:17, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: * I have reverted all of NeutralHomer's edits which I find to be overbold.  For example, placing a banner at the head of the article which states This article does not cite any references or sources when the article has numerous good references seems to be a blatant falsehood.  Another editor has now reverted back so he should now please justify this calumny. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:51, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *You might consider going through an determining which changes are good and which aren't, rather than making wholesale reverts. I've removed the References tag, which wasn't good. I think NeutralHomer was wanting to get across that the references need some cleaning up, not that there weren't any. Wrong tag, it happens. — Huntster (t @ c) 11:04, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Huntster.  Many of Neutralhomer's edits were definitely appropriate, so just doing a wholescale revert doesn't help the article, it just restores items that shouldn't be here.  Incorrect template, yes, but that can easily be changed.  The purpose of the templates at the top of the page is to help editors fix the problems the template mentions and to help readers know that a particular article has problems.  One template I added was the Citation style template as this article does not seem to follow a consistent style.  Using a simple "Author (or title), p. xx" as a reference is OK when it's using something that was already fully cited previously in the article and the subsequent citation is simply a different page of the same book, but there needs to be one full citation with the author, title, date, etc. present.  If editors aren't sure what items to put, please see WP:CITET.  --JonRidinger (talk) 16:17, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about the mistake on the references tag.  My reasoning was that there wasn't a link to the actual book (Google Books are fine) and then subsequent corresponding references to that link.  In the article I am working on, I have references that list the author, title, etc. for the first instance of the reference.  That is what should be done.  Make no mistake, I am not saying that books are not good references, just they need to be properly linked. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 22:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

text: You nailed it.  Sometimes I don't speak clearly. :)  But yeah, it needs proper attribution, links would be icing. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 02:16, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

text: We need some evidence for their notability or relationship to Marysville. I've replaced one of them but had to fix his article first, with a cite. These sections often get used for self-promotion, and virtually all of them need attention. Dougweller (talk) 20:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banner and other issues 

message: There is ALOT of references like "Marysville JT, City Receives" and "History, Union County, p. 274".  These references don't list when it was published, who wrote it, when it was found, where it can be found, or anything.  Just some vague reference.  I don't find these as good references and they populate the page.  What should be done? - NeutralHomer • Talk • 09:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added links to sources above.  Please use these to improve the references.  For example, the History, Union County will be a work such as this. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you would like to, please feel free.  It is waaaay past my bedtime.  I was just about to click that red "X" when I seen your post. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 10:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Does anyone think that we should add this to the Peer Review page at WP:PR for more eyes who focus on geography and towns in their editing can sift through this mess-of-a-page and see if anything needs deleted or added? - NeutralHomer • Talk • 01:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like a good idea, but don't we first have to get it fixed up enough to remove the tags, before submitting it? 98.82.34.167 (talk) 04:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's kind of getting a peer-review as it is with new people editing and commenting here who are part of WP:CITIES.  Peer-review is backed up anyway, so I'd say leave it off for now.  I don't think anyone there can tell us anything we don't already know.  Just FYI, Peer-review, at least as far as I understand it, is just a way to help an article improve by having an experienced editor in a particular project look over the article and offer suggestions, not necessarily grade the article. The article doesn't need to be in relatively good shape to be submitted for Peer-review.  It would need to be in good shape to be submitted for an Article Assessment or Good or Featured Article Nomination though. --JonRidinger (talk) 05:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, OK.  That just popped in my head when I was thinking about ways to get more eyes on the page.  'Tis cool. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 06:29, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:PR|Peer Review]]

message: I had to to leave before I could post my reasons for the undos (hopefully the edit summaries gave a clear indication) but here they are:
* - Presidents have many, many staff members with obviously many home towns. The connection of Harrison to Marysville is tenuous at best.
* - Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages, city guide, or a front for the local chamber of commerce. The opening of stores and/or retail space is simply not notable beyond Marysville.
* - Per WP:NLIST, "Inclusion within stand-alone lists should be determined by the notability criteria above." and WP:INHERITED, "Family members of celebrities also must meet Wikipedia's notability criteria on their own merits..." --NeilN talk to me 02:35, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation of undos 

message: Should this section stay in the article? Most decent sized towns have branches from various banks. --NeilN talk to me 04:49, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In all honesty, most of the Economics section is like this and could use some reductions and improvements.  Some of the largest and most notable employers should be mentioned, but not a comprehensive listing of every company that has a branch or franchise in the city.  Unless it's headquartered in the city or is notable in some other way (like one of the largest franchises or something) it probably shouldn't be mentioned.  This section needs to focus on what people generally do for a living using statistics and classifications (which are easily available from the US Census Bureau), not simply listing companies.  How the economy has evolved over time can also be discussed.  See also WP:USCITY#Economy.  --JonRidinger (talk) 13:04, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deleted this section and trimmed others. Someone should look at the Parks and Rec section and trim if necessary. I'd also like to remove the POV tag if there are no objections. --NeilN talk to me 01:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone has given the page a once-over and doesn't see any edits with weasel-words, peacock language, or (as it was before) one party only language, then yes, I think the POV template can be removed. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 01:13, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Marysville,_Ohio#Banking.2C_financial.2C_and_insurance]] 

message: There seem to be a lot of nice, but not necessarily relevant or helpful, photos in this article. Does anyone else think it might be worth moving all of them to Wikimedia Commons under a newly created category called "Marysville, Ohio"? That way, the photos that do illustrate or clarify topics in the article can be used, but the ones that aren't would still be accessible via a WM Commons link (e.g.: ). I'm not too good with pictures so I'm not volunteering to do it, I just thought it might be worth discussing. Jrcla2 (talk) 03:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am always in favor of moving public domain photos to the Commons whenever possible and using the Commons template here instead of galleries.  It cleans up articles and is so much easier to organize.  I will try to move some when I have the chance.  If anyone knows the quicker ways to move them, please do! :) --JonRidinger (talk) 04:50, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That is what I do with my images.  I personally feel that all images should be on Commons so all Wikimedia 'Pedias have access to them.  I see no problem with moving the Marysville, OH images to Commons. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:50, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, freely licensed images should pretty much always be on Commons. I'll move them tonight. — Huntster (t @ c) 06:07, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos to Wikimedia? 

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message: Marysville has had a flag for about half a decade I believe at this point, but it still isn't on the Wikipedia article for it. I've never edited a Wikipedia article before, let alone add an image, so I'm a bit skeptical on doing it myself, especially because I don't know the specific rules on how to format it properly, & so on. Should the flag be added? & if so, how? Bluebanana2121 (talk) 19:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the flag, & some examples of it being flown in real life. There was a city-wide competition in 2018 I believe to decide what the flag would be, & this is what won. I even participated in it, but sadly my design didn't win. Since other cities have their flags in their infoboxes, I feel like Marysville should too. Bluebanana2121 (talk) 05:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind about the examples of the flag, I  didn't realize that you can't import external images to talk pages. If you look up "Marysville Ohio flag", you'll get examples of it. Bluebanana2121 (talk) 05:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marysville Flag?