Talk:New England English

message: The regional variety of English described on page Boston accent is variously called Boston English, Maine-New Hampshire English, Boston dialect, Boston accent, Eastern New England English, or New England English. The page Vermont English appears to be an attempt to describe the variety also known as Western New England English or sometimes considered a variant of Inland North American English. The page New England English describes both of these varieties, as well as a slightly divergent form spoken in Rhode Island and eastern Connecticut. In addition, Maine-New Hampshire English exists as a redirect to New England English, and Providence, Rhode Island accent exists as a redlink on the page List of dialects of the English language.
Boston accent is currently the largest of these various pages. Is there sufficient information to justify keeping all of them separate, or should they be merged for the time being?
Note views that can be seen as opposing this proposed merge in older, unrelated discussions at Talk:Boston accent#Requested move and above. (What is "opposed" above is redirecting Vermont English to New England English.) Cnilep (talk) 05:16, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

message: I grew up in Connecticut, and went to university in Rhode Island. From my experience, these accents are not very prevalent anymore. Where I grew up and went to school, people mostly spoke with varieties of General American or that posh Mid-Atlantic English / Boston Brahmin accent. While in Providence I did most certainly note the local accent, it was in heavy decline. Furthermore, outside Providence, it seemed even more rare. I think this article needs to address that these accents are not used by the majority of the population in big parts of New England, especially Connecticut and Rhode Island. Perhaps this because of the large amount of incomers, or perhaps because these accents have been stigmatized over the years. Regardless, this article, to me, made it seem like most of New England possess these various features. And at the moment, I'm pretty sure it doesn't.   RGloucester (talk) 16:50, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any sources to cite for this? The fact that you don't sense that it is very prevalent isn't enough to change the focus of the article. People from an area often don't feel like the features that characterize that area are as prevalent as they are. If you have some solid sources to cite showing that some features described here are actually not very common, then fine, but if it's just an impression, we should stick to what is out there, since wikipedia is not the place to report original observations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.66.237.162 (talk) 00:42, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prominence of these accents in question 

message: I noticed these recent edits to New England English and they are not cited and appear to be original research. While they may be the editor's observations, the citations in the article don't support the statements and the added map.
Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 16:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research and map removed 

message: In "Notable lifelong native speakers" can someone add a few more female speakers examples? In this category, it has overwhelmingly male examples. Can anyone please add balance? Thank you. PaperJakee (talk) 00:31, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable lifelong native speakers section 

message: The map has a green zone labeled as exhibiting the Canadian Maritime dialect. This claim is uncited, and appears to be based on a misinterpretation of map 11.15 from the Atlas of North American English. The Atlas does not claim or present evidence that any part of Maine exhibits the Maritime dialect, and indeed has no data whatsoever on the dialect of that part of Maine. The boundary in map 11.15 appears to inclde that part of Maine just because of imprecision in the Atlas's boundary drawing. The map in this article is misleading in that respect, but I can't edit the image itself. Can someone fix this? AJD (talk) 07:02, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh hi, sorry. I can change the map. You're right that I can find none of the wording in the ANAE actually supporting that section of Maine. I originally simply assumed that it must be a dialect spoken in the state since the map showed it; it's hard for me to believe the authors would be so imprecise. To be honest, I'm a bit confused by how they determine several of the boundaries on their maps (since I feel like sources have shown that other boundaries, too, have ended up being imprecise, but imprecision is not what I think of when I think of the ANAE). Do you have any insight into this? Wolfdog (talk) 16:43, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: This article (and the map) seem to confuse the regions of New England. Massachusetts and Boston is not considered Northeastern New England. Massachusetts is in Southern New England, the only states in Northern New England are Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont.
The more accurate layout is:
Northern New England
* Maine
* New Hampshire
* Vermont
Southern New England
* Massachusetts
* Rhode Island
* Connecticut
Then if you want to break them up eastern versus western:
Northeastern New England
* Maine
* Majority of New Hampshire (sometimes the entire state is considered Northeastern)
Northwestern New England
* Vermont
* Western border of New Hampshire (sometimes considered Northeastern)
Southeastern New England
* Massachusetts from Worcester to Boston
* Rhode Island
* Eastern border of Connecticut (sometimes considered Southwestern)
Southwestern New England
* Massachusetts from the Berkshires to Worcester
* Majority of Connecticut (sometimes the entire state is considered Southwestern)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrJARichard (talk • contribs) 14:27, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  In the 2006 Atlas of North American English's chapter 16 on New England, the authors say "The lexical evidence available to Kurath (1949) led him to reduce these [New England linguistic] regions to three: Northeastern (Eastern New England north of Boston), Southeastern (the Boston area and the Narragansett Bay area centered on Providence) and Southwestern (the Connecticut Valley area centered on Hartford and extending northward to western Massachusetts). [...] The new dialect divisions based on DARE data are somewhat different from Kurath (1949)[....] The essential difference is that Kurath groups Boston and Providence together, opposing them to New Hampshire and Maine, while the DARE evidence makes Boston the center of Northeastern New England, and segregates Providence quite sharply. In the revised view based on DARE data, the major dialect area of Northeastern New England includes southern Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont east of the Green Mountains, and all but the westernmost part of Massachusetts. The Narragansett Bay area surrounding Providence is distinct from Massachusetts, expanding only a little ways beyond Rhode Island to east and west" (pp. 225-6). Wolfdog (talk) 17:20, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Areas of New England Miscategorized 

message: There is discussion of recent edits to this page scattered over several user talk pages: User talk:ValarianB#Hey there, User talk:RA0808/Archives2017/February#hello, and User talk:Cnilep/Archive/10 April 2017#Hi. As I understand it, a user from Vermont has consulted various published sources, and is attempting to bring this content in line with his/her understanding of the local dialect. I have suggested on my talk page that discussion of this article should be centralized on this talk page. Cnilep (talk) 00:23, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  February 2017