Talk:Andrew Brons

message: The article was amended to say that Brons had become founding president of the British Democratic Party and provided a link to a right wing site which supported this. Dated 4 December 2012, it claims that "The new party has been registered with the Electoral Commission as the British Democratic Party". Unfortunately, the Electoral Commission will not allow two parties with the same name: a British Democratic Party was registered on 23 May 2011, with Adrian Davies as Leader and Treasurer and Raymond Heath as the nominating officer, and a registered address at PO Box 63718, London SW3 9AT. (See Electoral Commission party search page.) This suggests that the source is not accurate, at least as far as the party name is concerned. Until this can be resolved, I have reverted the edit and hope that some definitive reference can be found. Emeraude (talk) 10:08, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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message: This is re-posted from the Talk:Nick Griffin#Infobox: predecessor/successor - it is the same issue, though the names have changed: 
MEPs are elected in multi-member constituencies. In a single seat constituency it is perfectly reasonable to say Fred Bloggs was preceded as the MP by Jim Bean and succeeded by Mr Kipling. In multi-member constiuencies it is not. For example, consider the lists of elected members for North West England:
2004                                                                                                                   	2009                                                                                                                   	2014
R Atkins    ConC Davies    LDD Dover     ConS Karim     LDA McCarthy  LabD Sumberg   ConJ Whittaker UKIPT Wynn      Lab	R Atkins    ConC Davies    LDJ Foster    ConN Griffin   BNPS Karim     LDA McCarthy  LabP Nuttall   UKIPB Simpson   Lab	L Bours     UKIPJ Foster    ConT Griffin   LabS Karim     LDM Khan      LabP Nuttall   UKIPJ Ward      LabS Woolfe    UKIP
Between 2004 and 2009, there were five changes. Between 2009 and 2014, there were also five changes. While it's true that in 2009 the BNP took a seat from the Conservatives it is not possible to say which one, especially given that the candidates changed in the meantime and one sitting MEP changed parties! In 2014, it's even less clear: BNP lost a seat, but UKIP gained two, so which of these new two UKIP MEPs is Griffin's successor?!?! The article says Bours. Why not Woolfe? It makes no sense at all. Emeraude (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox: predecessor/successor 

message: MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards                      	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards                      	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards                      	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards                      	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards                                                                                                                               	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards                                                                                                                               	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards                                                                                                                               	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards	MEPs for Yorkshire and the Humber, 1999 onwards
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MEPParty                                       	                                               	Diana Wallis1                                                        	Diana Wallis1                                                        	Diana Wallis1                                                        	Diana Wallis1                                                        	Diana Wallis1                                                                                                                                                                 	                                                                                                                                                                              	Rebecca Taylor                                                                                                                                                                	                                               	Mike HookemUKIP                                	Mike HookemUKIP                                	Mike HookemUKIP                                	
MEPParty                                       	                                               	Edward McMillan-ScottConservative (1999–2009)Liberal Democrat (2010–)	Edward McMillan-ScottConservative (1999–2009)Liberal Democrat (2010–)	Edward McMillan-ScottConservative (1999–2009)Liberal Democrat (2010–)	Edward McMillan-ScottConservative (1999–2009)Liberal Democrat (2010–)	Edward McMillan-ScottConservative (1999–2009)Liberal Democrat (2010–)                                                                                                         	Edward McMillan-ScottConservative (1999–2009)Liberal Democrat (2010–)                                                                                                         	Edward McMillan-ScottConservative (1999–2009)Liberal Democrat (2010–)                                                                                                         	                                               	Amjad Bashir UKIP                            	Amjad Bashir UKIP                            	Amjad Bashir UKIP                            	
MEPParty                                       	                                               	Robert GoodwillConservative                                          	                                                                     	Godfrey BloomUKIP (2004–13) Independent (2013–)                      	Godfrey BloomUKIP (2004–13) Independent (2013–)                      	Godfrey BloomUKIP (2004–13) Independent (2013–)                                                                                                                               	Godfrey BloomUKIP (2004–13) Independent (2013–)                                                                                                                               	Godfrey BloomUKIP (2004–13) Independent (2013–)                                                                                                                               	                                               	Jane Collins                                   	Jane Collins                                   	Jane Collins                                   	
MEPParty                                       	                                               	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                                         	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                                         	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                                         	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                                         	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                                                                                                                                                  	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                                                                                                                                                  	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                                                                                                                                                  	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                   	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                   	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                   	Timothy KirkhopeConservative                   	
MEPParty                                       	                                               	Richard CorbettLabour                                                	Richard CorbettLabour                                                	Richard CorbettLabour                                                	                                                                     	Andrew BronsBritish National (2009–12)Independent (2012)British Democratic Party (2013–) http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/hate-groups/bdp/http://efp.org.uk/building-a-new-party/	Andrew BronsBritish National (2009–12)Independent (2012)British Democratic Party (2013–) http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/hate-groups/bdp/http://efp.org.uk/building-a-new-party/	Andrew BronsBritish National (2009–12)Independent (2012)British Democratic Party (2013–) http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/hate-groups/bdp/http://efp.org.uk/building-a-new-party/	                                               	Richard CorbettLabour                          	Richard CorbettLabour                          	Richard CorbettLabour                          	
MEPParty                                       	                                               	Linda McAvanLabour                                                   	Linda McAvanLabour                                                   	Linda McAvanLabour                                                   	Linda McAvanLabour                                                   	Linda McAvanLabour                                                                                                                                                            	Linda McAvanLabour                                                                                                                                                            	Linda McAvanLabour                                                                                                                                                            	Linda McAvanLabour                             	Linda McAvanLabour                             	Linda McAvanLabour                             	Linda McAvanLabour                             	
MEPParty                                       	                                               	David BoweLabour                                                     	Seat abolished                                                       	Seat abolished                                                       	Seat abolished                                                       	Seat abolished                                                                                                                                                                	Seat abolished                                                                                                                                                                	Seat abolished                                                                                                                                                                	Seat abolished                                 	Seat abolished                                 	Seat abolished                                 	Seat abolished                                 	Seat abolished
I shall now explain the seat allocation:
:1. UKIP topped the poll and therefore get allocated a seat. Jane Collins had been picked as lead candidate to succeed Godfrey Bloom and so she did (fairly simple).
:2. Linda McAvan of Labour and Timothy Kirkhope of the Conservatives were standing for re-election and they were both duly re-elected as lead candidates for their parties (fairly simple).
:3. Edward McMillan-Scott was the highest scoring and only sitting candidate to lose his seat, this seat therefore gets allocated to the next highest scoring party to be allocated a seat; since UKIP topped the poll and a seat each for UKIP, Lab and Con has already been allocated, the second candidate on the UKIP list, Amjad Bashir is duly elected. So we have covered the first 4 seats pretty simply so far.
:4. Both Rebecca Taylor and Andrew Brons were stepping down, therefore leaving 2 vacant seats. In the previous election Richard Corbett hhad been unseated by Andrew Brons: Brons was the sixth candidate on the list and the next party to have been allocated a seat had it not been Brons would have been Corbett. Corbett re-contested the seat left vacant by Brons and Corbett consequently won his seat back.
:5. There is still one Vacant seat that needs allocating, so we go back to the D'hondt formula and UKIP have secured enough votes for their Third seat and Mike Hookem is duly elected. The next party eligible for the final seat would have been the Conservatives, Alex Story  and had they secured more votes (and or UKIP less votes) it would have been Alex Story that would have taken Rebecca Taylor's old seat.
It is worth pointing out that we have included predecessor and successors for MEPs in office holder boxes for years. In many cases the predecessor had always shown "Position established". However this is the first UK EP election where there have been significant changes, so I do understand the confusion but I do not see it as a reason to remove clearly verifiable information. I hope this explains things, the articles have been restored back to their standard form including "predecessor" and "successor". Many Thanks Owl In The House (talk) 14:57, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
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