Talk:Cross of Iron

message: The Plot Section is supposed to tell the movie plot, not to be a "fully referenced" array of loose citations. I rewrote it to see if it pleases this movie fans which keep editing this article based on their personal tastes. Please do not start another revert war and bring your points of view to the discussion section. Thank you! Fernando K
:There is no war. The Plot Section is supposed to discuss the plot. This is an encyclopaedia, not a fan page. It is not necessary to give a play by play. The cites have been taken from professional writers and are a guide to how to write such a section. The attempts to date have been amateurish, irrelevant and inappropriate for an encyclopaedia. They have also been in violation of Wikipedia policy on original research. If it can't be cited, it doesn't belong here.Calgarytanks 23:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: totally agree.Pluke 12:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wonder why you do not take all your wisdom to enlighten other articles. This is really a pity for the community. The world needs you Calgarytanks, Puke et al !!! (or is it the Canadian Highlander?) Fernando K
I'd like to suggest that as of the time of this writing, the following from the article is incorrect: "...although not having yet encountered the enemy, Stransky has already emptied the magazine of his MP40."  In fact, in there are at least two enemies charging at Stransky across the train tracks, and there may even be a few enemies at which he's shooting before then...so although yes, his magazine is empty, he has in fact been shooting at enemies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.87.8 (talk) 03:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Plot Section

message: ...or we can start fight about this? With all respect, I believe that my additions on Wiki are based on facts as much as yours. 87.116.141.96 16:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good to see you taking part in improving this article, any chance you can source the information you are writing as sometimes people may revert un-sourced changes.  Please get a user account, it will make editing a lot easier.  Welcome to the wiki Pluke 17:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok Pluke,thank you very much on your welcome,my english howewer (as you and others may see it:) is bad so I cannot allow myself to write anything more than one-sentence occasionally.Anyway,I'll try my best based on your advice.About the top -also the top of Elbrus,too:)- I agree about unlikeness that the group of children raised a flag at the mt.Caucasus in the middle of Stalingrad's batttle.However,this is the propaganda-movie that nazis mostly used during the war to show this moment,about their farmost advance to the east.So speaking about the movies ("Iron Cross" is also a movie) we can accept it here even if it's a part of propaganda or fiction,at least I think so.Best for all always and thank you again 87.116.141.96 06:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The footage in question is not Mt. Elbrus, and the Stalingrad Offensive was in 1942 (by early 1943 Soviet counter-offensives had isolated Stalingrad into a pocket - there were no offensive operations in 1943 at Stalingrad). The changes are therefore non-sensical and I've deleted them.  However, more cutting is probably needed as the opening credits are really kind of irrelevant to the plot of the film. I think the entire paragraph can be jettisoned as it serves no purpose in explaining the film in an encyclopedic manner.Michael DoroshTalk 16:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Hello again, Mr. Dorosh - please explain why you think fit to delete the sentences about the "all-out assault" - the Soviets attack shortly after Steiner arrives back to his unit, and this helps understand why he begins fighting along Stransky, and the one about the Soviet boy - he actually appears again in the end. If you do not think to be odd the fact that he shows up after being machine-gunned please tell me why. Fernando K 00:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My opinion is irrelevant - this is an Encyclopedia, not a fan site. If you can't source it, it doesn't belong here. "Oddly" is an editorial comment. You have to find a source to back it up,you can't just throw your personal opinion in.Michael DoroshTalk 00:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK what if we replace oddly by surprisingly? Fernando K 02:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: To M.Dorosh

message: Ok there seems to be a lot of reverting going on with changes on the article page, can we hold back for a while and come to some consensus amongst the editors and in accordance with wikipedia policy as to how to handle this correctly. Pluke 20:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for consensus

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message: There was a statement affirming the authenticity of the films T-34/85 as being likely to have been in the battle. I struck that comment in favor of the T-34 Model 1943 being the likely tank to have been in battle in the Taman Peninsula. The T-34/85 hit the front line in April of 1944 by my source. I am open to any other thoughts on that.
The commentary on the DVD placed the film around March-April 1943. I tend to agree based on the information available.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Remark knights (talk • contribs) 05:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  T-34 Authenticity 

message: Are there any sources identifying the attack aircraft which appear at about one hour 3 minutes into the film?  They seem to bear a resemblance to the Vought F4U Corsair, which, as far as I can tell, did not see service with Soviet air forces during WW2.  Arcanicus (talk) 02:54, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know how reliable it is, but the Internet Movie Plane Database lists two planes for the film, one of them a Corsair. This guy's review also mentions Corsairs. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:49, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Those were Corsairs. It was stock footage added in. Intothatdarkness 13:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aircraft 

message: If someone describes what they see take place in the movie without placing any personal value judgements on what they're describing do "we" dismiss that description of the action or the plot as "original research" is they do not provide documentation (a cited published work) showing that someone else had previously said the same thing in a recognized publication elsewhere? 
Would it be considered "original research" for someone to describe Steiner as a German soldier if they did so without providing documentation (a cited published work) showing that someone else had previously described Steiner as a German soldier in print? 
Where is the line drawn? Thanks. (71.22.47.232 (talk) 04:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia's policy on original research is here. Describing what you've seen without being at all subjective about it is actually very difficult, and something that a lot of people can't do.  I can write up a plot section in what I think are purely objective terms, and another editor may come along and point out what are (or what they believe to be) the various POV bits of language I have used. However, you don't usually need citations for plot setions, but you will need them for any sections or statements that are contentious.  You could state that Steiner is a German soldier, for instance, without a citation, but you could not say that he epitomizes German class struggle without citing a reliable source. Geoff B (talk) 13:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research? 

message: While waiting for an anticipated attack, Steiner releases the young Russian only to see the boy killed by advancing Soviet troops.
The Russian boy is still alive in the closing scene of the film, laughing at Stansky's inability to reload his machine pistol.Frisianfields (talk) 20:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you've read that too literally. Nick Cooper (talk) 20:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

text: He's dead, Jim. Showing him at the end is just an artistic device. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:58, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

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message: The film is reviewed in "Germany's Heroic Victims"; BE Crim - Heroism and Gender in War Films, 2014 - Springer. 
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message: Now all of you got to listen Breakthrough is now classificed an unoffical sequel it's not 100% canon to Cross of Iron nor does follow the correct timelines as why can Stransky still be alive he was already left for dead on the battlefield. and Steiner goes missing in action, the reason I am confirming it Breakthrough is an unoffical sequel not 100% canon as it's a unoffical knock off remake to the original. 
Leave that on here because we need proof that Breakthrough has been confirmed to not be 100% canon to Cross of Iron's timeline. Trooper201 (talk) 23:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As per Talk:Breakthrough (1979 film), this is purely your personal opinion. Nick Cooper (talk) 16:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Breakthrough is not 100% canon to Sam Pickenpah's movie