Talk:Rock music in Australia

message: Erm, isn't this article getting a bit confused with Music of Australia?
Definitely! But, it is also getting confused with Timeline of trends in Australian music. Really all three of these articles have a problem with focus. I've given "timeline of trends" a bit of help, but I'm not sure if I've done well. Do you think you could fix it up?
There is quite a bit of information in this article that should be in the timeline page.114.73.1.145 (talk) 07:06, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Focus

message: He was born in Coventry, Engand and he was a country singer, not rock.
:Please sign your posts on talk pages, User:Ogg. I see this post is a while ago now when you were new here, so I guess you've picked the form up by now. This is mainly to identify you for anyone else reading the page. Andrewa 03:16, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank Ifield was English 

message: My impression is that this article doesn't do justice to the contribution that Australian bands made to the international scene in the mid-sixties, particularly in the area of use of distortion on rhythm guitar which would eventually become the power chord.
Bands such as The Easybeats, Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs, and particularly The Masters Apprentices come to mind. Their hits may have been local, but when you compare their sounds to those of international bands just a little later, ISTM that overseas musicians were listening to our bands even if the record companies wouldn't release their stuff over there for the public to buy. 
Music of Australia#Rock and popular music has a bit of material, but Music of Australia#Second wave of Australian rock is almost empty. Andrewa 03:39, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, though there's a lot of things that this article really lacks. It's still being used as a synonym for Music of Australia - I remember removing Guy Sebastian from this article, and even now it still has a whole section on hip hop, of all things. It'd be lovely if someone could clean it up, focus on the topic, and remove the lengthy sections about specific bands. Ambi 14:49, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now the "Second wave" section, like all of the others lacks sources and references.  And, the thing about that music critic doesn't seem to belong there (I am not denying her accomplishments, but that they should be discussed elsewhere).  This section should focus more on the music and bands/artists of the period.  If a critic didn't have something specific to say about this music, then he/she becomes irrelevant (in this context).  Also, there is way too much discussion about record companies--a little bit of mention of them is OK, but, beyond that, this is not the place.  Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:25, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The second wave 

message: Just had to comment on what an absolutely fantastic article this is. Well done to everyone involved. --Biggles 16:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope you're joking. It focuses way too much on a handful of specific bands, fails dismally to give a true overview of the area, and talks about way too much stuff that isn't rock. It wasn't that long ago that I had to continually evict Guy Sebastian from the article. Ambi 00:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hence my sarcasm, sorry that wasn't clear. --Biggles 18:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: So few of the previous editors even took the time to include references and sources (see the thread below--I put it there to draw attention to this glaring defect). A lot of the writing is sloppy, to boot.  But, this does have potential to become a great article--its going to take a ton of work, though.  Garagepunk66 (talk) 10:04, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amazing Article 

message: The musical style of many of the bands in the article is frequently called "Oz Rock", especially the music of Ackadacka, Powderfinger, Daddy Cool, Chisel and quite a few others. Does anyone know the origin and/or significance of the term, and is it worth a mention on the page? I was actually quite surprised to find that "Oz Rock" was not the article title.--ABVS 07:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oz Rock 

message: Check out http://en.allexperts.com/e/a/au/australian_rock.htm
Exactly the same! 
I think someone needs to write some original content on the topic.
Anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.169.19.155 (talk) 10:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The material on that site looks like it was plagarised from here, not the other way around. --BrianFG (talk) 02:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism! 

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message: Can we get a citation or removal of the comment that australian rock doesn't really have a distinctive sound. One would argue quite easily that that isn't the case.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.107.1 (talk) 13:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 

message: Why is there no mention of Lobby Loydd and the Coloured Balls. This band was had a heavy influence on punk bands and Lobby was cited as an influence of Kurt Cobain (according to Lobby's entry). The article is obviously incomplete without this section added.
58.168.48.254 (talk) 06:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lobby Loydd and the Coloured Balls 

message: The importance placed on the role of JJ seems to be overstated, given that until it went national at the end of the '80s, it could barely have been transmitting to more than 1/4 of the nation's population. Is there much evidence that, for instance, it was substantially more influential than 4ZZZ, 3RRR or 3PBS, to name a few others that emerged elsewhere shortly thereafter?
:re: JJ's importance
:I'd argue that JJ was extremely influential. Although the station didn't get dedicated national network status until the late '80s, it was relayed after midnight through other stations in what is now the Radio National network in the late 1970s and early 80s. There were also indirect effects -- various broadcasts (e.g. the radio doco "The Ins and Outs of Love") caused a lot of comment and these early controversies were often nationally reported, particularly if they involved the perennial allegations of left-wing bias.
:Also, although its transmissions were somewhat limited around Sydney due to local problems (dodgy on the north shore and eastern suburbs, great in the south and west) the 'ionospheric skip' effect on AM signals meant that after dark and under good conditions Double Jay could be picked up for hundreds of kms up and down the coast and out to the Blue Mountains and beyond, so it often reached far beyond the Sydney metro area.
:I would also strongly argue that it had an immediate and profound effect on commercial radio programming in Sydney, which then extended to other stations around the country. It had an direct influence on its main commercial competitor, 2SM, and within a short period 2SM was forced to start adding popular singles and album tracks which -- originally -- 2JJ was the only station playing. 
:There is no question that many rising pop/rock acts of the period -- e.g. The Police, B-52s, etc who were first played on 2JJ -- were were not being played on commercial radio at first, but the popularity they gained through early exposure on 2JJ (and Countdown) eventually compelled commercial stations to pick them up. Within a very short period JJ was being used as a de facto programming research tool by commercial stations, who routinely added the most popular Double/Triple J tracks to their playlists and this continued for many years.
:Another instance I often refer to is that of the 1976 album 801 Live. This was totally ignored by commercial radio and wasn't even locally released at first (a commmon problem in those days) but JJ promoted it greatly and it wound becoming the biggest-selling import album of the year, which eventually forced the record company into releasing it locally.
:Dunks (talk) 00:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: JJ's Importance 

message: This information should not be in this article, because rock, dance and rap aren't really the same.
Australian enthusiasm for rap in the mid eighties was shown in the local craze for breaking after the success of American movies such as Beat Street and the popularity of Grandmaster Flash's The Message, and Run DMC's albums Run-DMC and Tougher Than Leather. Many Australians would have heard their first sample of rapping in an Australian accent in the 1989 television commercial for the Rosebank Stackhat bicycle helmet. 
Electro-industrial/Intelligent dance music group Snog formed in 1988.
Def Wish Cast formed in Penrith in 1989 and emulated U.S. rappers in nearly all respects apart from using an American accent and Gangsta rap posturing.
Electronica label Psy-Harmonics was formed in 1993.
In Australia, rave culture was thriving by 1991 and raving exploded in popularity in 1992. One of the attractions of the rave scene was the non-violent image of Ecstasy as opposed to the reputation of the pub scene as aggressive and confrontational. Another attraction of the newer dance music was the absence of focus on the person who created the music, with a focus on genre rather than artist. The music could fall into the background with little debate about the artistry involved.  Why is this here?
Swirl was Australia's answer to the shoegazing phenomena.  What is shoe-gazing?
Sonic Animation was founded in 1994. Itch-E and Scratch-E formed in 1991. Clan Analogue was established in 1992.  Who are these bands?
In 1979, Stewart MacFarlane was one of the first Australian musicians to record with a rapper, Willy B. 
This article is about rock, not rap.
Insurge released the "Political Prisoners" EP in 1995, featuring the techno anthem "Political Prisoners".  
Far and away the biggest commercial success of the 1990s was electropop duo Savage Garden. They shot to fame in 1996, scoring huge hits in Australia, Asia, Europe and America. They became the first Australian act since Men At Work to score two #1 U.S. hits, and their 1999 album Affirmation sold over 5 million copies in the United States. alone. A 2004 report in The Sydney Morning Herald rated their album Savage Garden at #4 and "Affirmation" at #15 in the list of the 25 biggest-selling albums (from any country) over the last ten years in Australia. --> not relevant
While overseas hip hop became increasingly popular in Australia in the early 1990s, particularly Public Enemy, whose sound became dated very quickly and the more enduring Beastie Boys, and a number of artists began performing it, virtually none of them were signed to record deals or saw mainstream airplay. Sound Unlimited Posse was signed to a major label in the 90s (CBS). Koolism released "Lift Ya Game" in 1998. Rock bands Big Pig (Payment), Skunkhour (Up To Our Necks In It), Beasts of Bourbon (Straight, Hard & Long) and Def FX incorporated rapping into their acts. I'm not quite sure if this paragraph should be in there.
Wicked Beat Sound System, whose sound was a mixture of electronica, dub and soul, typified the sort of music played at the Bondi festival Vibes on a Summer's Day.
Tina Arena became successful in France with pop hits such as "I Want to Spend My Lifetime Loving You".
Recently, bands such as Cut Copy, Decoder Ring, The Presets, The Potbelleez, Polo Club, Empire of the Sun and Pnau have made a name for themselves in the genre. Cut Copy frontman Dan Whitford has attributed the band's success to a change in public attitude as much as the band's quality, explaining "It's a case partly of timing and a growing awareness of electronic music in Australia". Pnau's first album, Sambanova, was released in 1999, at a time when many in Australia considered electronic music to be a dying breed. Nonetheless, the band traveled around the US and Europe, and slowly made a name for themselves, and for a rebirth of electronic music in the country.
Dubstep and Grime have become more available over the internet.  Garage Pressure is a show on FBi Radio, dedicated to these genres. 
Veteran electronic musicians Cybotron briefly united in the early part of the decade. 
Most recently the Australian hip-hop scene has begun to gain national momentum through bands such as:
*Hilltop Hoods
*Bliss N Eso
*Drapht
*Phatchance
*The Herd
*Pez 
All this information has been removed from the article, and should be placed in Music of Australia instead.114.73.43.232 (talk) 07:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. This article is about rock. Hip-hop, rap, electronic music, and so on should be addressed elsewhere. 124.186.246.195 (talk) 05:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-rock (a continuation of Focus) 

message: Is this section completely made up? It looks like it, and I can't find any other information about them anywhere. Someone please verify.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.74.231.18 (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dangerous Goods??? 

message: Hoodoo Gurus are not a Darkwave band. They might just slip in under a general rock/pop category which clearly needs writing. There are many others that don't fit into the broad categories they've been put. I've removed Hoodoo Gurus from the Darkwave section which seems to lump a bunch of unrelated artists together and potentially needs to be dumped.
I suspect this is a genre applied in retrospect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.215.141 (talk) 08:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock/Pop section needed. 

message: We need to get rid of irrelevant and extraneous material in this section:  
*One passage carries an unnecessary reference to a famous critic, but it does nothing to demonstrate how her writings had anything to say about this music (of the second wave), so the mention of her becomes totally irrelevant. That critic already has an article devoted to her. That is good enough. Unless we can find something insightful that she actually said about the music of this period, then the anecdote should be removed.
*Another passage goes on and on about magazines, publications and record companies, etc. Discussion of publications and record companies should be brief at most (or better not at all). We should create two new separate articles: "Australian record companies of the 60s" and "Australian music publications of the 60s," and, then, take them out of this article, and place link to them down at the bottom in the addendum area.
*Rather than just list bands and artists, we should create a meaningful and interesting narrative about them, filled with well-sourced facts and relevant anecdotes. 
What ends up happing is that the reader trying to learn about the music becomes distracted and bored by all of this irrelevant stuff. The focus, here, should be on the music and its creators, not critics, record companies and the like. We need to make this section interesting for the rock and roll fan or person of casual interest to read.  Garagepunk66 (talk) 09:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you create these articles then you will need to have RS and establish the notability of their content. Otherwise they may be deleted leaving the information off WP and making any link to them useless.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:41, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Need to eliminate irrelevant material form "Second wave" section

message: Attention: This article desperately suffers from a LACK OF REFERENCES AND SOURCES.  While I recognize that most of the topics are truly essential for understanding the history of Australian music, and that most of its contents are likely to be true, we still have to cite them with reliable references and sources.  I am not necessarily in favor of removing most of the contents (unless certain things are incorrect or irrelevant), but the presence of unsourced material can be challenged at any time.  It is time to get this article properly sourced.  Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:24, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs more sources

message: Last ¶ of "First wave" focuses on Frank Ifield and Rolf Harris. Ifield was UK-born, largely UK-based country music singer and yodeller. Harris was .au-born, largely UK-based novelty/pop entertainer. Are either or both of these non-rock? I'd like other opinions before I remove material on them.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:51, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with you 100%.  The article should discuss rock only.  I have no problem with people removing any non-rock stuff (after all, AC/DC rules!!!).  Who cares about all that yodeling, anyhow (unless it influenced rockers)?  I think that there is also a lot of irrelevant discussion about record companies, etc. in the "first wave section (as in the second wave section).  We could probably remove that stuff, too, and create new articles for it (or merge it with those other two articles I just created, maybe have those articles re-named to encompass both the 50s and 60s). Garagepunk66 (talk) 20:37, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focus: non-rock volume 3 

message: In the section "Late 70s" there is the following:
* The progression of the Australian independent scene from the late seventies until the early nineties is chronicled in Stranded: The Secret History of Australian Independent Music 1977–1991 (Pan Macmillan, 1996) by author and music journalist Clinton Walker.
Is this allowable under the guidelines? It seems to be very close to a free plug. CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 09:38, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Late 70s query 

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