Talk:Twin Zephyr

message: There is more to the story on that. The Burlington station was at 1601 Rublee St in North La Crosse after the main line was relocated. The Burlington originally had a depot at Pearl and Second streets in downtown La Crosse. In those early days CB&Q also had a small passenger depot in North La Crosse just above Grand Crossing. This became the location for the main depot. Grand Crossing is at MP 299.9 and North La Crosse is MP 300.2 according to one source about the Aurora sub. The GN (1958) and NP (1960) timetables both have La Crosse at 297. Even the CB&Q (1947 and 1966) peg La Crosse at 297. However, the stop times indicate North La Crosse at MP 299 as the train stop for all Chicago - St. Paul trains. I would like to show, but probably will have the pictures struck off, even if it is just clips of the timetables if I tried to upload them here. But, you can download some as PDFs from . Say goodbye to the rest of your day if you do. :-) My guess, and this merely a guess, is that the bus left downtown La Crosse, probably at 2nd and Pearl, at 12:07pm to catch the morning Zephyr at the North La Crosse depot at 12:17 (1966 schedule. It was 1:07 to catch a 1:16 Morning Zephyr in the 1947 schedule.)  Group29 (talk) 23:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense.  As for the mileage: the public timetable mileage differed from that in the employee timetable, as mentioned above, and it's not clear how precise either were.  Kablammo (talk) 21:57, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: La Crosse

message: I looked at some of the pdfs from streamliner memories.  I cited that source in connection with our  article's comparison of the 1940 northbound morning Zephyr's average speed between endpoints with that of the Acelas.  The Acelas appeared to have slowed down. I have not pored over the new timetable in detail, but appears that the fasted Acela now takes 6 hrs 58 mins between endpoints, 20 minutes slower than the 2016 schedules cited in the article.  Kablammo (talk) 22:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Speed comparison

message: Despite the title, and that they went to the "Twin Cities", these were not the "Twin Cities Zephyr". They were the "Morning Zephyr" and "Afternoon Zephyr", there was a northbound and southbound of each. The trains themselves were the "Twin Zephyr", because there were two matched consists. If there is a ref for a "Twin Cities Zephyr", it is not from the Burlington and is not in common use. (edit: I think) Sammy D III (talk) 23:33, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I stand corrected, it seems it is in common use. I just wanted one of you to notice this little glitch. Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 04:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

text: Interesting, the Morning Zephyr and Afternoon Zephyr were both "Twin Cities Zephyrs" colloquially. But they were advertised as the "Twin Zephyrs" by CB&Q (see the 1947 timetable page 11 for example. On the train board at the Minneapolis Great Northern Depot they both just became "The Zephyr" in 1971. Group29 (talk) 23:24, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Agree with name change, slight preference to plural. Group29 (talk) 17:32, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Cities in name 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. Clear support and no opposition. Curiously, it seems like the decision was made 3 years ago to do this move, but it was never moved.  UtherSRG (talk) 11:41, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Twin Cities Zephyr →  – I think this is an example of a confusing WP:Official names vs. descriptive WP:COMMONNAME, with single/plural on the side.
 
The Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad (Burlington) ran high-speed inter-city passenger "Zephyrs" from 1934 to 1971. One route was from Chicago to the "Twin Cities" of Minneapolis–Saint Paul Minnesota. This route was scheduled as "Morning (or Afternoon) Zephyr". "Twin" was never in the name of the route. The Burlington did say to/for/between the Twin Cities. Amtrak ended the service in 1971.
 
In early advertisements the name of the equipment was "Twin Zephyr". There were two (twin) train-sets, both making a daily round trip in opposite directions.  Generation #1 (9901 and 9902) was directly replaced by  Generation #2 (9904 and 9905) in 1936. In 1947 the Generation #2 trainsets were replaced by dedicated conventional cars with replacement and extra cars from a pool fleet. The Burlington continued to pair the train-sets but they were only called "Twin" on this service.  (sort of a fan book but probably definitive).
 
The name "Twin Zephyr" was official in advertisements from 1935 to at least 1947 (edit add: 1951 on ebay) and either official or commonname after that. "Twin Cities Zephyr" is descriptive, was a commonname in the Chicago area, and will show up in newspapers and local history.
 
This was started on the talk page above (involved have been notified) but I did it wrong. I have some COI and won't be editing around here. Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 20:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

text: I am good with the move. Group29 (talk) 14:18, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 16 October 2022