Talk:Dhangar

message: The article needed pretty much a full re-write, and it got a good 4,400 hits in June 2011, so I'm diving in to the task. There's a lot of redundancy (within itself and within other articles), caste-cruft (including OR to contradict Shudra cites), a lot of non-notable lists, conflation with topics which should have their own articles, etc. Also this article needs some historical engravings or photos, so I'll look into that as well. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undertaking major cleanup 

message: The parts about Krishna and his foster father being Dhangar isn't quite clicking; the one ref I was easily able to pull says that Nand Meher was a Bharvad (which, according to the article is a related/similar group in Gujarat). And a general gBooks search for "krishna dhangar" shows tons of references saying here's their primary god, but not that he is one. Removing that data and filing it here. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Per legend, Krishna(Dr. D. D. Kosambi, Myth and Reality: Studies in the Formation of Indian Culture, pg 28. 1962, Popular Prakashan, Mumbai.)(Dr. D. D. Kosambi, Pracheen Bharat Ki Sanskriti Aur Sabhyata, pg 148)(Fusion of cult and Icon. 1.5. When does a fusion work? Dr. D. D. Kosambi) and his foster-father Nand Meher, belonged to the Dhangar caste.(ref name="V Russel pg 118"/)(ref name="Bombay Gazetter pp 267-285")Bombay Gazetteer, Vol. IX, Part I, pp 267-285) MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bharvad conflation? 

message: I've semi-protected the article, as it is yet another caste article getting sourced "Shudra" content removed by an IP without explanation -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected 

message: Khateek word comes from Sanskrit Khattika, means to hunt and not butcher as much as stroke sacrifice of Priest's sponsored animal during Vadic Yagas by none other than Rajput, Kshatriya pronounced as Khateek to fulfill the Vedic rituals Nitya Karmas. The word Khateek has also been derived from the Sanskrit word Khat, Khadag and eek an stroke sacrifice of animal sponsored by the Priest's chanting of Vedic rituals in the Yaga Mandapam and ordered to sacrifice the animal as the evident of Rig Vedha 10th mandala, chapter 91 and Yazar Vedha chapters 22, 23 by none other then Rajputra, Kshatriya pronounced as Khateek.
117.199.25.94 (talk) 19:21, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 117.199.25.94, 10 August 2011 

message: Khateek word comes from Sanskrit Khattika, means to hunt as much as stroke sacrifice of Priest's sponsored animal during Vadic Yagas by none other than Rajput, Kshatriya pronounced as Khateek to fulfill the Vedic rituals Nitya Karmas. The word Khateek has also been derived from the Sanskrit word Khat, Khadag and eek an stroke sacrifice of animal sponsored by the Priest's chanting of Vedic rituals in the Yaga Mandapam and ordered to sacrifice the animal as the evident of Rig Vedha 10th mandala, chapter 91 and Yazar Vedha chapters 22, 23 by none other then Rajputra, Kshatriya pronounced as Khateek.
117.199.25.94 (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: See above. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 13:50, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 117.199.25.94, 10 August 2011 

message: Dhangars are Kshatriyas. Kshatriyas have three major castes (or ethnic groups) - the Dhangars, the Rajputs and the Marathas. The Rajputs are Indo-Scythians and mainly had their kingdoms in North India. The Rajputs did not originate as a tribe or a single community. They emerge  as a collection of clans ruling different regions. The term Rajput as it is used today refers to the set of intermarrying royal clans. The Marathas are Indo-Aryans and had an empire which spread all over central and North India and the Dhangars are Proto-Asians and had their Kingdoms in South India and Central India. Rajputs have 36 Clans, Marathas have 96 Clans and Dhangars have 108 clans out of which 90 are known so far in India. Originally these castes were one and had mutual interactions of dining together and intermarrying amongst them.
PLEASE ADD ABOVE PARA AGAIN. SEE REASONS BELOW: 
# There are many references corroborated the fact that, Dhangars are Kshatriya. As per research of Dr. Shyam Singh Shashi, Dhangars and Rajput have nearly 75% same or common gothra. 
# The Tribes and Castes of Bombay By Reginald Edward Enthoven.
# It is stated in Manu Smrti at 10.95 that shepherding can be opted by a Kshatriya.
# As per Kshatriya dharma one should earn his bread and butter on his own ability. Dhangar cannot be Shudra ‘coz Shudra means Service Class but Animal Husbandry is an independent profession.
#Kshatriya status was reaffirmed, confirmed and declared in 1933 in the conference of Hindu Mahasabha which was held at Ajmer.  
— Preceding unsigned comment added by ManikraoPatil (talk • contribs) 18:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Manu Smriti is not a reliable source and you should probably read up on WP:SYNTHESIS before you take this any further - it could save everyone some time. We need more information, eg: page numbers for the sources that you do note and sources for the information that has none. - Sitush (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request: Dhangars are Kshatriya 

message: This article is very freely expanding specifically Hatkar/Bargi-Dhangar information to the Dhangar class overall. The "domineering race of Rajputs" comment, the "Holkars were Shivaji's best soldiers" bit, etc. are all explicitly about Hatkars in the footnotes. There is now an article Hatkar, and I submit that all info not about the broad Dhangar community be placed in the specific sub-group articles, and referred to only in summary as needed in Dhangar. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:45, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much conflation between Dhangar and Hatkar 

message: Hi Heba Aisha, Instead of merging Biroba with Dhangar page, I would recommend merging Biroba and Beerappa, they are the same god. It has been the exclusive god of Dhangars and Kurubas which make up 9% population of Maharashtra and Karnataka respectively. I would also recommend merging Mhasoba and Mhaskoba, they are the same god and I don't see any reason to have two separate pages for them. It is one of the popular gods of Dhangars and Marathas. I can add more content to both those pages after the merger, I have references on both of them. Anthony gomes 92 (talk) 20:48, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: are there any reliable sources supporting the equivalence? Otherwise, I suggest keeping separate. Klbrain (talk) 05:10, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Closing, given the uncontested objection and no support. Klbrain (talk) 18:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging Biroba 

message: They are related with gujjars 49.36.209.60 (talk) 07:21, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relation with gujjars