Talk:Mark Begich

message: I have removed him from the Croatian Americans category, pending a discussion on whether that is accurate is pending at Talk:List of Croatian Americans. --TommyBoy 21:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Croatian Americans category

message: I recently contacted User:Zero Gravitas, regarding the 1994 Anchorage Mayor election results. Unfortunately, he was unable to provide an answer to my question. For more information, see his UserTalk page. Any assistance from other users would be appreciated. --TommyBoy 02:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On further Googling I've found a 2000 Peninsula Clarion article which has partial first round results, but still nothing about the runoff, which is what counts... —Zero Gravitas 02:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1994 Anchorage Mayor election results

message: "He has consistently raised taxes and granted substantial wage increases to municipal employees."
I'm removing this sentence for now - but if it is factually true, someone should feel free to put it back in, with citation.  As a relative outsider (I live in California) this strikes me as a potentially POVish statement, especially since none of Begich's other actions as Mayor are included in the article. Eeblet (talk) 04:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a soapbox or a forum. This page is for discussion of improvements to the article, not for personal opinions on its subject. --skew-t (talk) 08:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The anonymous editor (with a Wasilla, AK IPN address, 66.58.190.18) had a prior history of massive, inappropriate deletions of content from Wikipedia articles such as Wendy's and Stephen Hawking, replacing well-vetted content with vulgarisms and pornographic graphics. Activist (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: POV?  Needs citation

message: I just want to compliment the wiki users. That was really, really fast update about the senate election.Saberwolf116 (talk) 02:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dang! 

message: Anyone happen to know exactly what this guy believes? Senator's websites are always very vague and amorphous so I don't really think that can provide much insight.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.224.157 (talk) 06:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can check here Mark Begich from On the Issues - Lestatdelc (talk) 06:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Positions 

message: Is it sure, that Stevens doesn't request recount?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.54.42.174 (talk) 11:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ted Stevens had conceded  defeat, so the prior question is obsolete.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.54.6.114 (talk) 01:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Added resolved tag as the question of a recount is, as noted above, moot. Lestatdelc (talk) 01:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recount 

message: "His Croatian paternal grandfather John Begich immigrated to the United States from Austria–Hungary in 1911".
What's this about "immigrated to the United States from Austria–Hungary". I'm not going to revert as I doubt anyone really cares, but there are no encyclopedias that say, for example, "born in Austria-Hungary".  It's not really a 'place', in the sense of any identity.  Saying Austria-Hungary is much like saying someone born at the same time was born in the British Empire rather than Ireland or India. I will watch this article with amused interest. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 10:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: His paternal grandfather immigrated form the Austria-Hungary empire, which Croatia was a part of still in 1911. It gained independence in 1918 when the Austria-Hungary Empire desolved as a result of WWI. If you click through the link itself, it is the article on that specific national entity, of which Croatia, where Begich's grandfather came from, was still a part of. Lestatdelc (talk) 20:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Croatia or Austria - Hungary 

message: Do not show Begich as the incumbent until he officially takes office on January 6.Saberwolf116 (talk) 18:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senate 

message: This article currently includes the claim that "Begich's political views are considered to be moderate", which is not supported by the source.  Any reliable sources for this?  Or is it synthesis?
Also, the article includes an un-sourced claim that Begich supports drilling in ANWR.  Any reliable sources for this?CFredkin (talk) 04:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See Anchorage Daily News June 12, 2008: http://www.adn.com/article/20080612/begich-opening-anwr-key-energy-plan Activist (talk) 17:18, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

text: "He is pro-choice, supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, gun rights, same-sex marriage, and opposes the Patriot Act."CFredkin (talk) 21:44, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't say he served three years in the Assembly; it says he was chairman for three years. Obviously you have to serve for some time before becoming chairman. The "eleven votes" quote is an obvious error which can be removed (he won by eleven votes over the victory margin, not eleven votes over his opponents). —Designate (talk) 22:03, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsupported Claims? 

message: This edit seems like election year politics, not really enough importance to include in the article. Perhaps if it becomes a deciding factor in the upcoming election, it can be added with analysis, but now just seems to be a blip. Dave Dial (talk) 23:51, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: See discussion above in "Carbon Tax".CFredkin (talk) 20:47, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election year robo-calls 

message: A previous editor posted a comment derived from a Washington Free Beacon article, going beyond the charges in that article to claim, in a clear violation of BLP and NPOV guidelines that an Alaskan lobbyist had bribed the Senator to obtain funding for a geothermal project. The article also claimed the utility had gone bankrupt, when it had in fact reorganized, divesting the geothermal project in the process. However, all three members of the Alaska delegation had supported the earmark and all received campaign contributions from the lobbyist, who represented numerous utilities and municipalities throughout Alaska, led in the period 2009-2014 by Rep. Don Young with $7,100, followed by Senator Lisa Murkowski ($5,500) and Begich ($5,100), per Open Secrets. Activist (talk) 08:48, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tenure 

message: There was some back and forth over the removal of text on October 30th. DD2k objected to the inclusion of the material on 3 points: the use of WFB as a source, abortion being mentioned twice, and etc. 
* I've taken out the material sourced to WFB until I can look for more sources that cover that material, I'd ask anyone looking to reinsert it to do the same.
* There are other issues mentioned multiple times in this article, and in plenty of other Senator BLPs so I can't really see that being a huge issue. Juno (talk) 11:00, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do take my word for it: I feel the same way. Juno (talk) 12:33, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contentious issues on October 30th 

message: ====Should it be mentioned at all====
Another user brought up thee idea that it might not be a significant enough issue to be covered. Its gotten more coverage than some of his other issues, namely his VA positions so I am of the opinion that it is worth mentioning. Juno (talk) 12:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If he has a position on abortion, and has made public comments on this, of course it should be included. -  Cwobeel (talk) 14:44, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

text: No. Unless the issue is covered in other sources, to establish significance. Otherwise it is WP:OR. -  Cwobeel (talk) 14:40, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look for more. At a minimum, the endorsements should be verifiable elsewhere. Juno (talk) 16:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure. If an endorsement is significant, you should have no problems in finding sources reporting on it. -  Cwobeel (talk) 16:44, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Virtually none of his other endorsements and certainly none of his legislation have received as much news coverage as his abortion beliefs, but we cover those other things. Juno (talk) 17:59, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with user:Cwobeel that Votesmart can't be used in isolation. -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 21:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

text: I don't disagree, and thats why I didn't. Juno (talk) 22:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Many politician bios have a section on "Social issues" where all these  issues can be grouped. There is no need to have a separate section for each aspect. -  Cwobeel (talk) 14:41, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know man, whats the difference between "domestic issues" and "social issues", between "healthcare" and "Veterans affairs". Lets try to keep things independent. Juno (talk) 16:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  If there is substantial reporting, separate sections may make sense. Otherwise, we can have these under a single sub-head. -  Cwobeel (talk) 16:43, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: According to good, its gotten more coverage that nearly any of his other positions, and rarely at the same time as his same-sex marriage positions. On a related note, I don't really think it makes sense to lump the Patriot Act and the death penalty together. Juno (talk) 17:59, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Abortion

message: Another user brought up thee idea that it might not be a significant enough issue to be covered. Its gotten more coverage than some of his other issues, namely his VA positions so I am of the opinion that it is worth mentioning. Juno (talk) 12:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If he has a position on abortion, and has made public comments on this, of course it should be included. -  Cwobeel (talk) 14:44, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Should it be mentioned at all

message: At various times, the Tenure section has included a broad outline of some of Begich's policy positions. I thought this was helpful and I see it mirrored in other politician's articles but I am not passionately attached to it. Juno (talk) 12:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Mentioned twice

message: My feeling is yes, but I can look for more sources too. I don't think there is any doubt that more are out there. Juno (talk) 12:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Unless the issue is covered in other sources, to establish significance. Otherwise it is WP:OR. -  Cwobeel (talk) 14:40, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look for more. At a minimum, the endorsements should be verifiable elsewhere. Juno (talk) 16:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure. If an endorsement is significant, you should have no problems in finding sources reporting on it. -  Cwobeel (talk) 16:44, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Virtually none of his other endorsements and certainly none of his legislation have received as much news coverage as his abortion beliefs, but we cover those other things. Juno (talk) 17:59, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with user:Cwobeel that Votesmart can't be used in isolation. -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 21:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

text: I don't disagree, and thats why I didn't. Juno (talk) 22:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Can votesmart be used as a source

message: I am fairly strongly opposed to this. These are two radically different issues, with text based on different sources. Juno (talk) 12:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Many politician bios have a section on "Social issues" where all these  issues can be grouped. There is no need to have a separate section for each aspect. -  Cwobeel (talk) 14:41, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know man, whats the difference between "domestic issues" and "social issues", between "healthcare" and "Veterans affairs". Lets try to keep things independent. Juno (talk) 16:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  If there is substantial reporting, separate sections may make sense. Otherwise, we can have these under a single sub-head. -  Cwobeel (talk) 16:43, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: According to good, its gotten more coverage that nearly any of his other positions, and rarely at the same time as his same-sex marriage positions. On a related note, I don't really think it makes sense to lump the Patriot Act and the death penalty together. Juno (talk) 17:59, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Should Abortion and Same-sex marriage be lumped together?

message: It seems formative, relevant and its already mentioned it our biographical sources. I figure its worth a sentence. Juno (talk) 12:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I see no problem with that. -  Cwobeel (talk) 14:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Mother's runs for Congress

message: I've removed this sentence from the abortion section for violating WP:OR
In all of his 6 years in the US Senate Beigich has received a 100% rating from abortion-proponents NARAL and a 0% rating from abortion-opponents NRLC.http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/79426/mark-begich/2#.VDuRYvldVa0http://thehill.com/resources/lawmaker-ratings/76023-sen-mark-begich-d-alaskahttp://www.nrlpac.org/pdf/2014-Senate-races.pdfhttp://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/meet-the-catholics-in-congress/
None of the sources talk about "In all of his 6 years in the US Senate" - This is a clear WP:OR violation; per policy, "This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources." -- The fact that 2 of the sources are from 2010 is a big warning flag. ---- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 01:08, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, but will hold off on the 6 years from now pending more research. Juno (talk) 03:56, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you disagree? Also, I've needed to remove "abortion-proponents" etc. which is simply not accurate. According to the main article, NARAL is an "organization in the United States that engages in political action to oppose restrictions on abortion and expand access to abortion." In other words, they don't advocate women getting abortions, they advocate women having access to abortion services; two different things. Since we are dealing with a BLP, that material needs to be left out until some sort of consensus is reached here. -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 08:49, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh come on, if we're going to play that game then the NRA doesn't support guns it only supports "access to guns". Juno (talk) 18:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

text: I agree with Somedifferentstuff that the 6 years thing needs to stay out. And I appreciate them removing the unintentionally borderline weasel word descriptions of both groups. It might be less contentious to, in a few words, describe them using text from their respective wiki articles. Or perhaps just say pro-choice and pro-life, respectively, which is closer to the truth than pro-abortion/anti-abortion, etc. Shatterpoint05 (talk) 17:08, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Tangentially related, I noticed that every reference in that sub-section is now a bare url. If we come to a new consensus about changes to the section, can whoever makes the changes also fill in those citations more fully? Thanks! Shatterpoint05 (talk) 17:08, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Either of those work for me Shatterpoint05 (talk) 17:53, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm good for pro-choice/pro-life. Juno (talk) 18:12, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the article per this discussion. -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 17:51, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR violation from abortion material / Neutrality 

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