Talk:Jedi/Archive 1

message: Recently the 20,000 figure for Anakin was removed under the belief that it was from SuperShadow. However, this figure is a direct quote from Obi-Wan in Episode I, so I added it back in.  From what I've read, SuperShadow had a list of all the counts for all the characters, and all the other numbers seem to have been made up - but the 20K figure is "real".--Daniel 17:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Midichlorian Count 

message: This page has little to offer in fact. George Lucas' "Jedi" are named for the jedai-geki genre, sort of period samurai movies.
As another note, why is someones yahoo profile linked in the links section? --DeMyztikX 03:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: Ignore my change until such a time arises that you don't ignore it. --Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:54, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ignore me 

message: :("It should be noted that this is Dungeons and Dragons style Star Wars only.)"
If I'm not mistaken, shouldn't this say d20 instead of D&D? D&D's a game, d20 is the game system.  Therefore, unless anyone has any objections, I'll be changing it to read:
:"(It should be noted that this is from the d20-style Star Wars games only.)"
--Ynos 15:46, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  d20 vs D&D 

message: Why did someone place Qui-Gon as a Jedi Guardian?  I think it's plain to see he is a Consular.  Also, leave the remark about Windu's lightsaber.  He is a Guardian, but he never used a blue saber, and it seems obvious that if he used a purple saber, then  maybe most who have purple sabers are Guardians.
Also, why is everyone placing Luke as a Guardian?  His blue lightsaber was Anakin's and he got more training from Yoda than Oni-Wan, plus he built his own lightsaber and it was GREEN, the Jedi Consular color.
    
If you want to mess over something thats found only in the RPG and KOTOR, Luke is a guardian, observe pages 302-303 in the Star Wars Revised Core Rulebook clearly listing Luke as a guardian, and since KoToR and the RPG are the definitive (and only) sources on this, we should trust the source. I really don't think that when put up to scrutiny the blade color distinction would hold much weight, since Luke is a HUGE change in that rule as well as the fact that we see as many exceptions to the rule as we see people following that rule. When you look at it, he is definately a combat character out of the requirements of his situation. If we base the distinction on combat abilities vs force powers elsewise, Luke clearly holds powers like Move Object (which was used very poorly as seen in RotJ when 3P0 keeps wobbling), Enhance Ability, Affect Mind (poor, worked on Bib Fortuna, failed against Jabba) and Farseeing. While many of these might indicate a consular, compair them to his fighting skills at the time, he goes toe to toe with Vader on several occations, when Vader is clearly a guardian. Also, when you consider he was first trained by Obi-Wan, who is a guardian and would teach the methods of a guardian, Luke would have been started as a jedi guardian. Now, consider that the RPG does not allow you to move between Consular and Guardian, he would have to continue as a guardian regardless of who trained him (unless KoToR shows otherwise and can be proven to be more reliable than the RPG). Also, the official idea on this is that it's a matter of the crystal used in the construction of the saber and has nothing to do with the jedi themselves. 
"While the Jedi prefer natural crystals, only found in a few places such as the Adegan system or
on Ilum, the Sith usually use synthetic crystals in their lightsabers. Crystals found on Ilum are 
almost always blue or green, whereas crystals from the Adegan system (and a handful of other 
locations) are more varied in color (for example, Mace Windu's purple crystal was not found on 
Ilum). The synthetic crystals used by the Sith are usually blood-red. The Jedi sanctuary on Ilum 
was destroyed during the Clone Wars. Thus, by the time of The New Jedi Order, lightsaber crystals 
are found in varied locations and tend to vary more in color than those of the old Jedi Order." 
(http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/sw20050707jc69) unknown where they got it from, but they made the concept of Guardians and Consulars, so I'd listen to them personally. Also, it's inline with what I thought and had heard before the KotOR people started begging for the distinctions. --DeMyztikX 03:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character Type

message: Some of the images in this article (:Image:Jedi council 1.jpg, :Image:Jedi robes.jpg) do not currently have any source or copyright information - and so it can now be deleted. I've looked around on google images for the originals but can't source them. Does anyone here know where they're from, or have a free replacement they could upload? Cheers. --Agnte 19:10, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That image isn't a still. It's concept art. So, I'd wager good money it came from the Art of Phantom Menace. Hope that helps.RandallFlagg 06:17, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I withdraw that part about not being a still.RandallFlagg 02:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jedi council 1.jpg, Jedi robes.jpg 

message: Is there a source for the elaborate ranking system that an anonymous editor introduced, the one with nine ranks that goes from "Taskih Padawan" to "Kerton Rimidon"?  A Google search turns up mostly mirrors of Wikipedia along with the infamous Supershadow site, and some fanfic and message board posts.  Since it seems pretty unlike anything we've seen before (like Yoda not any of these titles to Obi-Wan, even though we see the formal ceremony of his Knighting), I'm very inclined to call it "Original Research"/fanfic and remove it, but I thought I'd ask if anybody has any hard verification and references for this first. --Wingsandsword 03:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You saw it on SS and still feel the need to ask whether it is legit?  You have much to learn, grasshopper. --Maru  (talk) Contribs 03:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jedi Ranks 

message: I seem to remember the Jedi Council being composed of permanent members and rotating elected members. Can anyone else verify this?RandallFlagg 06:08, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Jedi Council

message: Several recent edits have destroyed the Wiki formatting of this page. I believe some content was changed, too, but the formatting was so badly changed, and the number of edits made the content changes so hard to follow, that I have simply reverted the page. (I had been going to simply place a cleanup note, but I didn't want to leave the formatting in such a decomposed state.) If the edits are important, please feel free to add them back in—with proper formatting. – Mipadi 05:25, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert recent edits 

message: Looking at the recent history of this page, I've noticed that there's some amount of dispute between listing the fictionality of the order discussed in the article, and I was wondering if there's a precedent for listing it as fictional, or not. I'd like to see this resolved decisively. Personally I lean toward not listing it as fictional since the content itself comes from a fiction book, but, precedent is precedent. Kuzaar 14:15, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my experience, it's generaelly been encouraged to make sure that articles from fictional works are clearly marked as fictional somewhere near the beginning. – Mipadi 16:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning edits of "fictional" 

message: I'd just what to know.Also if Viodeo/Computer games,TV,and the internet had ever exist in thst same universe would the jedi be aloud to play,watch and do these things?Thanks.Answer in time if you may.Also would the Jedi pick metally/Phyically Retarded or autisic infants to join the Jedi order?(if these disorders had ever exist in that universe.)
:Ha ha ha ha ha... I'm sorry—I know this isn't relevant—but stuff like this is why I friggin' love Wikipedia. Kafziel 04:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Are Jedis(especially in the old order) invanded to weddings?

message: Is this true?
"Just prior to becoming the Jedi Grand Master, Luke Skywalker has recanted of his beliefs and returned to a more traditional view."  (See Gray Jedi).  If it is, I think this needs a bit more elaboration.
-- Solberg 10:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luke's beliefs 

message: Just a general question: As far as the games and Expanded Universe writings go, how much has been apporved/sanctioned by G. Lucas himself? ewok37 07:48, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By him personally and not just his companies? Unknowable. --maru  (talk) Contribs 19:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roots 

message: I don't feel confident to edit the page myself, but Morgan Katarn seems missing from the listing of Jedi.
I think Morgan was a Force Sensitive, but was not trained as a Jedi or a Sith.
:Then why exactly is he training Jedi or sitting on the Council?--KrossTalk 19:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morgan Katarn 

message: I am going to remove the Weapons Master entry in classes, as it is 1. not a major, main class and 2. is only seen in one game (thus uncanon). It would belong more in KOTOR2 then in the main Jedi page. --Bky1701 00:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons Master 

message: Removed a spam link  first line of website was "become a real jedi knight."--Dakota ~  ° 00:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This website appears to be a genuine real-world religion inspired by Star Wars' fictitious Jedi Order.  Surely that's relevant to the "Jedi" article, isn't it? Irrevenant 00:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed link

message: In ancient Egyptian, Djed means "stability," and the Jedi are supposed to bring order and stability to the Galaxy. This is very interesting, whether or not George Lucas knows about it or not.Das Baz 17:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: An Egyptian Connection?

message: This article needs to cite sources.  It's in good shape, and I know most of the information is backed up well from the various fiction, but there are no refs in the article.  I am not familiar enough to add more than one or two refs so I'd like to ask another editor to try.  Mangojuice 20:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: A whole lot of information is presented in this article without saying what works it comes from. We really need to say which bits come from the movies, which from books, which from roleplaying games etc. etc. DJ Clayworth 15:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation

message: I think this page should be marked for spoilers somewhere near the beginning.  I know a lot of this is common knowledge, but not everyone has seen the whole Star Wars series.  Such a person would have most of the series spoiled from reading the fate of Anakin in the first paragraph.  Few people would probably be here if they weren't looking for information on the series, but it's still doesn't seem right to have such detailed storyline information without any warning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robman803 (talk • contribs) 
:I agree, that is a fairly big spoiler. It also isn't vitally important to the article (being about the fictional organization, it isn't important to note the primary character in the saga). Removed. EVula 15:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warnings