Talk:1994 Belgian Grand Prix

message: This is the wrong race to dispute. Michael's disqualification at Silverstone the same year was much more questionable. He was disqualified at Spa because the car was running lower than allowed by the Formula One regulations - he didn't win the race any more than he would have done if he'd taken the flag in a five-litre car. -- Ian Dalziel 21:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Schumacher "win"

message: Wasn't the two race ban as a result of his DSQ at Silverstone, and not as a result of the excessive wear on the underfloor plank? --Don Speekingleesh 15:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The two race ban was a result of his ignoring the black flag at Silverstone, yes. The revert war developing here is over whether he "won" the 1994 Belgian Grand Prix. At Spa-Francorchamps. Hence "at Spa" in the comment above. -- Ian Dalziel 15:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I was referring the the way the article mentioned the two race ban - implying it was for this race. Should have made myself clearer. Sorry.--Don Speekingleesh 15:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I see! Yes, agreed. I thought your comment was a response to mine. Juggled about to clarify, I hope. -- Ian Dalziel 15:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ban

message: There seemed to be some confusion about a month ago as to where Schumi spun. Someone has now changed it to the exit of Fagnes. The problem I have, t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶2̶ ̶d̶i̶f̶f̶e̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶m̶a̶p̶s̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶r̶a̶c̶k̶.̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ This was the old layout of Spa. There is no map on Wikipedia with the exact amount of corners as that is a different topic (chicane was added in at eau rouge). The map at the top of the wikipedia page shows turn 12 Fagnes. Ok, that's probably where the other guy got it from as he said the exit from that corner. But in reality, Michael spun at the exit of the next turn. Turn 13 as specified from this map. Here is a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GevXGtMxP0 . Since on here, this turn has no name, I went to the modern track layout as found on Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps . Apparently, the track map here is also "wrong", If you look at this map and then to others, you see that this one has an extra corner added in after turn 1. But on that map, it states turn 14 (in reality 13) as Campus. That other wikipedia map... nevermind, i'll leave that to a separate discussion. As for Barrichello's spin, https://overtakefans.com/f1-race-archive/watch/index.php?race=1994-belgian-grand-prix-race . Go to 53:20 and watch for a few minutes, they will show a replay where it shows the little straight right before Pouhon. He skid off at Pouhon, which is not the same as Campus nor Fagnes. This is also the corner Philippe Adams spun out if that was needed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FORMULA1FAN71 (talk • contribs) 14:05, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's a canonical standard for naming the bends at Spa-Francorchamps, on the short circuit link, at least. There are many maps with varying names. I was standing at the bend which was then called first Stavelot when Schumacher spun (deliberately?). It was on the exit from the previous bend, which I'd have called the second half of "le pif-paf de Fagnes". The article had said "Campus" which is the name of the new complex on the inside of the circuit, and seems to have been applied to the bend on some maps. Someone took exception to that and changed it to "Pouhon". That is entirely the wrong place - much further up the hill. That's why I changed it. That apart, I've no strong feelings about how to describe it. "On the short straight before Stavelot", perhaps? Ian Dalziel (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schumacher Spin/Barrichello Crash Corner Clarification 

message: I'm fairly certain that the layout of the bus stop is in its 2004 configuration here, but moreover, the Eau Rouge chicane is missing from the circuit map. I have therefore removed the map as I don't think there is one that shows the "correct" 1994 version of this track. Spa-Franks (talk) 21:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circuit Map