Talk:Władysław Syrokomla

message: Re:  We've been over this a thousand times. What matters is how the sources describe him.
By typing in "Kondratowicz poet" we get:
*Some old sources:
**Poets and poetry of Poland: a collection of Polish verse, 1881, in English, by Paul Soboleski, so calls him Polish.
**The New international encyclopædia, Volume 14, 1903, in English, by  Daniel Coit Gilman, Harry Thurston Peck, Frank Moore Colby, in the section on "Polish Literature". Editions of this encyclopedia until at least 1912 repeat this text.
**The Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1888, by Thomas Spencer Baynes. Kondratowicz is discussed in the entry on "Poland". It seems this was repeated until at least 1911 edition.
**The Westminster review, Volumes 110-111. Quote: "We will conclude our notice of Polish poets by mentioning Wladyslaw Syrokomla", in the section on "Polish literature".
**The Story of Poland by William Richard Morfill, 1893, in the section on Polish literature
... this list goes on and on in the same way. I have not found a single source which calls him Lithuanian (because he wasn't. Maybe "Belorussian", but not Lithuanian).
*Some new sources:
**Tchaikovsky's complete songs: a companion with texts and translations by Richard Sylvester, 2004. Quote: "These were the specialty of the 19th century Polish poet Ludwik Kondratowicz".
**Czeslaw Milosz puts Kondratowicz in The History of Polish literature. Milosz also notes that while the vast majority of Kondratowicz's writings were in Polish he did write a few pieces in ... Belorussian, not Lithuanian. 1983.
**1971 Cambridge History of Poland puts Kondratowicz in the section on "Polish Romanticism".
**Just so you see I'm not trying to hide anything, here's a source that calls him a "Polish-Lithuanian nobleman" Belarus: a perpetual borderland, by Andrew Savchenko, 2009. This is about as close to "Lithuanian" as there is.
**The Penguin companion to European literature calls him a "Polish poet". 1971. By Anthony Thorlby.
**Tomas Venclova in Winter Dialogue calls him a "minor Polish poet"
**1970, Five Centuries of Polish poetry
**In a 1978 book titled Glimpses of Lithuania Bronius Akstinas (that's a Lithuanian name, right?) calls Kondratowicz "the 19th century Polish poet".
**Another Venclova book  and here  - now, Venclova really is a "Lithuanian poet" so we can presume he knows what he's talking about when he calls Kondratowicz "Polish".
**Comparative History of Slavic Literatures by Dmitrij Cizevskij 2000.
**An Anthology of Polish Romantic literature, 2000. 
and this goes on and on and on... There's not a single source I've been able to find which calls him "Lithuanian". I've found 1 (one, uno, jeden, raz) source which refers to him as a "Polish-Lithuanian nobleman". Lithuanian authors call him Polish. Polish authors call him Polish. American writers call him Polish. Russian writers call him Polish. But some people on Wikipedia insist on calling him "Lithuanian" and edit war to remove "Polish".Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:41, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  oh for heaven's sake 

message: The problem with this supposed self-identification as "Lithuanian" is - and this is the big bear in the room that nobody is willing to discuss - that the term has shifted in meaning over time. The term "Lithuanian" at Syrokomla's time did not mean the same thing as it does today. Without explaining this change in the usage of the term (and Venclova has written about this, as have others) to the readers we are misleading them. For a similar problem in other context see this comment  and the discussion it was part of.Volunteer Marek (talk) 17:30, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, this is what Polish-Lithuanian (adjective) article is about. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  00:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The problem with self-identification 

message: It is becoming silly to see that IPs are constantly removing referenced info on this article regarding this person . I would love to see full explanations regarding such edits . M.K. (talk) 11:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constatnt removal of referanced info 

message: I am upset, because of giving false references to prove false informations. He was polish, he wrote in polish, his name is polish. I don't understand why english Wikipedia is giving false information, on polish Wikipedia everything is clear. Andrzej19 (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was polish, not polish-lithuanian 

message: Anon recently added that claim. Considering Syrokomla, according to our article, wrote some content in Belarusian, this seems plausible, but we could use some RS. 
Btw. Pl wiki just calls him Polish. Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian, Polish-Belarusian. And Lithuanian, of course, calls him Polish-Lithuanian. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:16, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish-Belarusian?