Talk:Akhal-Teke

message: I added a request for a photo for this article to Wikipedia:Requested pictures.  Tempshill 17:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo request

message: I don't think the photo is a good example of the horse's usual colour. --Dandelions 20:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The photo is not good, for one thing it is distorted and doesn't show the horse's true conformation, it makes the animal look poorly proportioned. But it's hard to find good photos that can be released with a license usable on wikipedia. Montanabw 03:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooh!  Pretty boy!  You took the photo?  Montanabw(talk) 20:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better photo? 

message: I have never heard of Bucephalus being described as an Akhal-Teke. I would like to request a citation for this for I believe it is false.
:Please remember to sign your posts!  I will remove the statement.  Everyone wants to claim Bucephalus.  However, Bucephalus is described as everything from an Akhal-Teke to an Andalusian, to a Friesian to an Arabian, to ... you name it.  Bottom line is that he could not be any of these things as none of these breeds were known as such in the time of the Ancient Greeks. This assertion is per Deb Bennett's book Conquerers:  The Roots of New World Horsemanship.  Bennett argues (with the PhD to back it up) that none of the modern breeds are "pure" forms of any ancient breed, the earliest pedigrees can be traced to about the A.D. 800s. Basically, Bucephalus would probably have been some type of ancient oriental prototype (the prototype that gave rise to the Akhal-Teke, the Arabian and the Barb), possibly crossed on a northern European prototype, depending on where he actually came from, which is not stated by the ancients. Montanabw 18:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that so far, the same claim is made - at a minimum - by the Andalusian horse and (thanks to some movie) the Friesian horse people (their claim is particularly bogus, but nonetheless). In fact, I think every breed that tries to claim their breed is ancient (Arabs, Barbs, hell, probably the Pottock breeders for all I know) likes to claim Bucephalus, and there is absolutely NO WAY anyone can prove their claim unless someone found the body, dug it up and got DNA.  I don't mean to burst bubbles or be mean, but this is the "pink ponies and magic unicorns" stuff that we get all the time.  Montanabw(talk) 23:13, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Bucephalus claim

message: Found the two examples  of hairless foals that they admit exist:  here.  when I click on the link I'm getting a warning about malware: http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/rare-hairless-horse-with-picture-61779.html Ulruppelt (talk) 16:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "Akhal Teke Inform", which was mentioned as a source, was the official Russian publication of MAAK. The article referred to was available to all Akhal Teke breeders and contained an elaborate research effort by two Russian zootechnicians. This included earlier (circa 1940) work done by another zootechnician, who already then looked into the Naked Foal Syndrome. The studbooks, which are also available to every interested person, register several dozen foals born naked (the Russian term is "golyak"). The naked filly Malyshka was presented at a breed show in Stavropol to a wide international public and is the namegiver (The Stavropol Sphinx) for that article. The breeder who provided the photos of the filly Moumia to the source cited for the pictures maintained a huge Akhal Teke studfarm for several years and admits to having himself had another such foal among his horses, plus witnessing a third one owned by another breeder in his vicinity. The second set of photos is of a partbred foal (3/4 Akhal Teke) bred in the USA, again several people have witnessed this foal in person. This shows that this genetic defect is not occasional and is currently spreading with growing speed within the population. Your take of the reactions to this knowledge is essentially correct. Beniceer (talk) 06:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Prevalence of genetic diseases in recent years seems to be on the increase in many breeds, no doubt because any closed gene pool will have an increased level of homozygous traits as it becomes more difficult to not breed related horses to one another.  For Quarter horses, where there are millions, their culprit seems to be deliberate linebreeding, for smaller breeds, it is just the inevitable result of a smaller gene pool.  Yes, people being upset and in denial is a problem, (you should listen to the screeching of people with HYPP positive quarter horses) but the solution now that the horse genome has been sequenced is to put up the money to get tests for these conditions so that people can make more informed breeding decisions.  Even carrier lines can be "cleared" of deleterious conditions with judicious use of testing and breeding.  Montanabw(talk) 01:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ulruppelt, put your messages at the end of the threads, not in-between; it makes the coversation easier to track.  And also, if you sign your post with four tildes (like this: ~~~~  it will insert your name with a link and the time you left the message (that's how we are supposed to do this).  Anyway, the kissing spine issue is legit, as it is also a problem for Thorroughbreds and some warmbloods, but though broadly "hereditary" so are crooked legs.  I'll toss that bit.  As for the rest, sometimes the only sources we have are wayback links, people don't keep up their domain registrations.  Montanabw(talk) 22:42, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Montanabw, seeing your message only now - after putting my comments next to your statements that prompted my comments in the "Article Improvement" thread - grouping topics seems to be a good idea. Again and sorry if this sounds rude I don't mean to be rude: 
What makes you believe that akhalteke.info is a trustworthy and reliable source? There is no reliable source given for the statements e.g. Ligament issues! Could it be that the website was not maintained because the information given was not substantiated? Ulruppelt (talk) 07:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The low level of genetic diversity has already been acknowledged in the 1970s, when there were only about 1,168 animals recorded: http://www.fao.org/docrep/009/ah759e/ah759e13.htm Please note also that continuous inbreeding leads to an increased level of infertility. Semillana (talk) 08:32, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Genetics

message: Saw the new photos added and they are very nice!  However, when I compare the neck structure of :file:Merv.jpg which is the new "under saddle" image to one like this image, I question if the "Merv" image is really a purebred Akhal-Teke, the horse's build doesn't look typical of the breed.  He's a lovely horse, but can you provide any additional info (other than photographer's say so ) as to the purebred status of this horse?  Montanabw(talk) 18:36, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo question 

message: To the people adding new material to this article.  1)  Thank you for your interest in improving this article.  However:  2)  Please be aware that you need to keep your edits within the guidelines and policies of wikipedia.  I have several concerns you need to know about:
#  The new images were overdone, we only need those which add to the article, wikipedia isn't a gallery of every pretty photo that exists.  Per WP:NOADS we also don't need to have names unless these are, perhaps, the most famous animals in the world or something.  Otherwise, the captions need to be descriptive.  I fixed them.
# Also, your uploads contain statements such as "permission to use on wikipedia."  Please review WP:IMAGES because unless YOU were the photographer, you don't have this authority and the images may be deleted at commons, which would be sad, because they are nice photos.  It is better to use their OTRS system to have the photographer him/her self directly release copyright to Wikimedia Commons.  See WP:OTRS.
# Do not remove the information on genetic diseases. Wikipedia is not free advertising for breeds, it is an encyclopedia and has to adhere to NPOV, meaning in this case tha twe cannot "soft-pedal" inconvenient negative information.  You will see that many purebred breeds have something like this going on (as is also true of dogs)  see, just for an example, American Quarter Horse (6 genetic diseases) Appaloosa (2 unique ones plus risk of all the Quarter Horse ones), Arabian horse (also 6), New Forest pony (one), Morgan horse (a couple, not necessarily unique to the breed) and so on...
#The ancient Turkoman horse is believed to be extinct.  The modern "Turkoman horse", whether the Akhal-Teke itself (I've seen that claim made) or the horse bred in Iran, is not the exact same breed; rather, both are descendants of an earlier ancestor.  (FWIW, there is a similar claim made about the Neapolitan horse and even the completely extinct Tarpan, all of which died out in their pure forms). Montanabw(talk) 17:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Parking another editor's suggested references here.  Montanabw(talk) 18:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Compared to what, though?  Definitely not as bad as the little British pony breeds, but... (noting that though there are gazillions of Thoroughbreds, their lack of genetic diversity is kind of scary...)?  Montanabw(talk) 23:28, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article improvement 

message: *Asian stock is not as bottlenecked  Froggerlaura ribbit 18:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Compared to what, though?  Definitely not as bad as the little British pony breeds, but... (noting that though there are gazillions of Thoroughbreds, their lack of genetic diversity is kind of scary...)?  Montanabw(talk) 23:28, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: More

message: I want to challenge the reliability of information given in the now dead website akhalteke.info. Where are the sources to support statements such as:
Wobbler Syndrome
"During the past 10 to 15 years there have been several cases of Wobbler Syndrome reported among Akhal Teke. 
or
Not so long ago an Akhal Teke which produced several foals with confirmed Wobbler Syndrome was taken out of the breeding program by the owner after some of these foals had to be put down before turning 15 months. Unfortunately some of the offspring are still reproducing and in the third generation cases of OCD were discovered."
Or
DSLD/ESPA Currently at least one productive Akhal Teke sire has been witnessed to show classic symptoms, however there are quite a few photos of a variety of Akhal Teke available, which put them on a list of "also suspects".
If nobody gives evidence that there are Akhal Tekes with Wobbler Syndrome or DSLD I will delete this information in the section "Genetic Diseases" Ulruppelt (talk) 05:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I will do a little copyediting there to improve the neutral tone, but just because the link is dead doesn't mean that the source is unreliable or wrong (in fact, it sounds like a "whistleblower" site that is challenging a coverup by the registry, to be perfectly honest - and the AT registry would not be the first breed group to put its head in the sand and shout "lalalalalalala" when confronted with uncomfortable realities).  That said, wobblers are pretty common in the Thoroughbreds, Paints, and some of the warmblood breeds, so it's not like it's a reason to freak out. Ditto DSLD, which  is also common in several breeds, as is OCD.  The degree to which these are genetic is complicated by modern management (as is laminitis, common and a worry in several breeds, Morgans, Mustangs, Arabs, ponies, etc... though due to their nature as an easy keeper colliding with modern overfeeding...).  However, as OCD in particular is a management issue, it is important to note if a breed is vulnerable so the youngsters can be fed properly. Anyway, I'd say that it's important to look at the issue.  The claim that  "our breed, unlike anyone else's breed, is so ancient and pure that it can't have genetic issues" is, in every breed so far I've looked at, basically hogwash.  DNA mutates with every generation, and once you start linebreeding to fix desired traits, the undesirable traits come trotting right along with them.  It's a bummer, but it hits nearly every breed of "purebred" animal sooner or later. Any way, it's a good matter for discussion.  Did you see how we handled the blindness issue in Appaloosa? Their registry was in denial about that for years, and then DNA studies demonstrated that it is actually linked to the color itself!  Bummer for them, but they're still standing and doing OK as a breed.  Montanabw(talk) 21:29, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Challenge of reliability of the source akhalteke.info 

message: I'd like to challenge your change: The Akhal-Teke's most notable and defining characteristic is the natural metallic bloom of its coat. This is especially seen in the palominos and buckskins, as well as the lighter bays, although some horses "shimmer" more than others. 
The coat color is mentioned over and over again and doesn't need to be repeated here.   Ulruppelt (talk) 06:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Down the road, if or when we - or someone else -wants to bring this article up for Good article review, there is a rule of sorts that the lead summarizes the rest of the article, so anything mentioned there has to be mentioned - and footnoted - in the body text.  I'd agree there's no need to say it more than twice, however.  But I put the metallic coat bit back in the body, we have it in the lead, but if it's now in there three or more times, i agree the remaining mentions would be overkill.  Montanabw(talk) 21:09, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision of Montanabw re: color of Akhal Tekes 

message: Regarding the AVK issue: the following thesis says on page 19 in the Conclusion that AVK can't be determined because of lacking early mare records. 
Although her introduction is hearsay (seems to have been copied in parts from Wikipedia or akhalteke.info) and I happen to recognize several flaws in it since I've done my own research, the conclusion of her thesis based on her pedigree research sounds believable: 
Title: Pedigree and inbreeding analysis of the rare and endangered Akhal-Teke horse : an honors thesis (HONRS 499)
Authors: Carroll, Jillian M.
Advisor: Blakey, Cynthia A.
Date of Object: 2010
Abstract: Access to abstract permanently restricted to Ball State community only
Additional Information: Access to thesis permanently restricted to Ball State community only
CardCat URL: http://liblink.bsu.edu/uhtbin/catkey/1568799
Type: Undergraduate senior honors thesis.
Degree: Thesis (B.?.)--Ball State University, 2010.
Department: Ball State University. Honors College -- Theses (B.?) -- 2010.
Archival ID: A-340
Appears in Collections: Undergraduate Honors Theses: http://cardinalscholar.bsu.edu/handle/handle/189779
Ulruppelt (talk) 05:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see what can be found on this.  May take some time.  Possibly her bibliography links to some stronger studies...  Montanabw(talk) 19:09, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Challenge the statement of the AVK value in Akhal Teke breeding 

message: Is it really proper to use such an ugly trot to illusrtate the article? Sure, it's about the only under-saddle pic we got available, but even I, by no means a dressage expert, can see that there is so much going wrong with that trot. It ain't feel proper. --Pitke (talk) 14:17, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not thrilled with the image on a number of levels, (overbent) but the AT pics of animals being ridden are generally not very good.  That said, a lot of people in the states think that's lovely trot with nice extension and a nice "headset"  (I'm just saying, don't kill the messenger) BUT if you can find a better one, I'm in!  Montanabw(talk) 21:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  That trot image... 

message: The Turkmen government sponsors these trips to their national festival. Can a benefactor of this sponsorship be a reliable editor of this topic?
Semillana (talk) 21:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not, so long as others are reviewing the edits, and I am.  (We can invite more people from WPEQ or elsewhere to come over if needed?)  teach American history at a local college and I sometimes edit American history articles, for example. WP:COI is a factor here, but unless the person is  is being paid to edit, I think we're fine. Ulruppelt strikes me as a good-faith fan of the breed who happens to own a couple of them, which, frankly, is kind of necessary to have expertise in the breed. Semilana, if you have a specific concern, then state it here and please avoid the innuendo.   Montanabw(talk) 22:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for taking the time to respond. My only concern as another admirer of this breed and an owner myself is that there are many controversial subjects which are being swept under the carpet in order to provide some window dressing to the outside world. And I don't think it is favorable on the long term for breeders, owners and enthusiasts to avoid severe issues like soundness. Just to add my own experience, I know there are massive problems in some breeding programs, but when you try to research them on the internet you'll never find anything conclusive because either nobody is interested in in-depth research or has the necessary funding.
Semillana (talk) 03:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  My position is that WP:RS and WP:V apply to everyone, all sides.  Shoot links to what's out there, I'm pretty good at sorting out what can or cannot be used on wiki.  Looking in Google scholar for searches on the breed name (spelled with and without the hyphen) would be most useful.  Montanabw(talk) 05:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's a word of one of the more enlightened breeders to consider with regards to health topics: http://www.karakumstud.com/blog.nsf/d6plinks/JEIE-6L5QP3 Semillana (talk) 20:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish their page had fewer misspellings and some links to actual case studies... Montanabw(talk) 05:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

text: In this particular case the IATHA supposedly buys goodwill in the form of free trips to & entertainment in Turkmenistan for ulterior motives because Akhal Tekes in Turkmenistan have been separated from the mother studbook for over a decade and no recognized parentage testing has taken place during this time. It is said that the breeding is under massive influence by the racing industry that is backed by the government and that this influence has led to a massive infusion of Thoroughbreds to create more competitive (=faster) horses for the track. In the past this conflict has led to the disposal and imprisonment of the then horse minister Geldy Kyarizov, an advocate of purebreeding and the breeder of Yanardag, the horse in Turkmensian's CoA: http://www.akhalteke.it/geldy.html
Semillana (talk) 06:49, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Any of this hit online newspapers?  In any language? As far as horse politics go, this is unusual to have a government that involved, but not unprecedented; Slovenia sued Austria in the EU over who gets to use the breed name Lipizzan and the Spanish are, I think, still spatting (also in the EU) over which clique gets to be the "real" registry.  Sigh.  Montanabw(talk) 05:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

text:  There are no statements to Geldy's case other than he fell out with then president Nyazov over the latter's policies: http://www.tmhelsinki.org/en/modules/news/article.php?storyid=37 BTW, Nyazov used to be president of MAAK at some time, supposedly on the initiative of Geldy: http://www.karakumstud.com/web/karakum.nsf/Articles/CC330451C63DDBBC85257497007EDBED (yes, that site again).  Semillana (talk) 08:44, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Let me just add that at least one of the pictures presented in the article could be subject to challenge elsewhere as not actually being an Akhal Teke: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APkatfin&redirect=no This is based on the fact that no Turkmen horses have been registered with the studbook for over a decade now. This leaves the state of roughly half of the world's population in limbo. I'm not saying this is good or bad or anything, but I find it fair enough to state this somewhere in the article.
Semillana (talk) 05:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkmenistan 

message: Sorry - made a mistake by addressing this issue on the user talk page of the user who decided to revise the photo of a World Champion back to a less famous Akhal Teke. My point is that the photo leading into the article should represent the most characteristic Akhal Teke in terms of breed characteristics. World Champions are graded by a group of judges who are recognized breed experts. Thus we can expect them to represent the distinctive type of an Akhal Teke. Any photo of any Akhal Teke who is typical for the breed is likely to be recognized because it is a rare breed. WP:NOADS - How is an ad defined? On the Wikipedia Thoroughbred page the photo of the head of Rock of Gibraltar, a Champion racehorse and stallion owned by Coolmore - doesn't seem to raise the ad concern. A photo named Dagat-Geli.jpg should raise even less concerns. We might not have found the best picture yet but I really think we should use the photo of an Akhal Teke that is recognized as incorporating all the distinctive breed characteristics. Ulruppelt (talk) 17:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not unless a Henneke body condition score of 3 is a breed trait.  The horse might be a champion, the photo is terrible, it could be the lead for hard keeper.   I don't mean to be unkind, but you need a horse in better flesh than that image... the dark stallion would be a better lead image in many respects, other than not having the cream gene.  (But then, the lead in Andalusian horse is a dark bay even though the majority of Andalusians these days are grays...) and frankly, the hysterical hissy fit going on at commons over whose horses are the "real" Akhal-Tekes is not giving me a lot of confidence in the lot of you.  Can you give me ANYTHING that approaches a source that will pass the WP:RS criteria and isn't a facebook page or a message board? (Note:  The Chronicle of the Horse article passes the WP:RS test) Seriously, I'll follow the good source material wherever it leads, but I really don't want to see an internal round of "Breed politics" take over this article (and I know breed politics, in any breed it's nasty...) Montanabw(talk) 22:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akhal Teke photo leading into the article 

message: Where both of you can agree, I will try to help you continue to improve this article.  So help me answer the following questions, ideally with URLs if you can (and if in Russian or something, maybe run them through Google translate to see if they can be even remotely understood - I can usually decipher the German ones, but the French ones, not so much)::
#What are the "main" registries and how bad do they have conflicts with each other (it's obvious there is a conflict)? I am looking for the USA/UK groups and the ones in Turkmenistan I get the impression there are at least two, one "closed" to a lot of Turkemenistan horses, the other somehow sponsored by the Government of Turkemenistan.  Can you help me identify the competing "players" here, whether you agree with their views or not?
#Is one registry "OK" (more or less) with the bits of Thoroughbred breeding that is apparently there?
#Which groups are more or less openly worrying about cryptochids and other genetic problems and which disputes that there is a problem?
#Can you locate for me some solid studies on things like the degree of inbreeding in the breed?  The gene pool is, obviously, small enough that it has to be a concern.
#The stuff on the interaction between the Turkmenistan government and the breeding of horses is interesting to me (full disclosure: my undergrad degree was Political Science with an emphasis on International Relations, but I got it in the 80s when the Cold War was still relevant, so this post-Soviet-Era stuff fascinates me...) so can you provide more sources on both the government's support of the breed and their shadier actions?  
#What can you tell me about the history of imports to the USA and western Europe?
#It would be helpful to expand the history section, more sources that the rest of us can access (URLs or google books links ideal) would be good.
May add more as I think of questions.  Thanks.  Montanabw(talk) 23:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I just like to say that I don't see myself as a faction (except maybe for the animal-welfare aspect of breeding animals with defects or potential defects) because the AT community is as small and tight-knit as it is constantly bickering and I'm pretty tired of that. The only disagreement here has been about what information is included in the article and what is held back deliberately (e.g. the reportedly sterile sibling of Kortik by Rokot) to present a flawless image to the outside world. That being said I can more or less agree to all of the above. And if everybody is happy with their cryptos there should also be no need to hide the fact that they exist.
Semillana (talk) 21:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, read the talk page at Gypsy Horse; they are also very small and spat constantly.  Are all of us horse people just kind of crazy? (looking at myself in the mirror and wondering if I too resemble this remark...) wikipedia is definitely NOT about helping anyone present a "flawless image" to the rest of the world.  (Kind of interesting to read all the dog breed articles, most of which also have spats over disclosure of genetic defects.) Sorry, no phone number!  LOL!  But did Amnesty International get involved?  Montanabw(talk) 18:38, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Hmmm.  The plot thickens.  Do we have an article on Geldy Kyarizov?  If not, there perhaps should be.  People of note to Amnesty International are generally notable, and as a rule, world publicity helps. JMO, and admittedly tangential to this article.  Montanabw(talk) 19:08, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a good summary of the HR situation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Turkmenistan Though Geldy was too unimportant to be particularly on the radar because he had no political agenda in the terms of power struggle and Nyazov used to remove officials on a regular basis he is still mentioned in several reports on RFERL, e.g.: http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1078897.html However, I think I found some other stuff that balances the official view of Turkmenistan as the fantasy land of horse mania and put it in the article. Plus there is another source, gundogar.org, which seems to have an English edition http://gundogar.org/?022000000000000000011000000 but their search seems to be based on Russian only. Again, I'm not talking breed policy, I'm trying to find an equilibrium in that Turkmenistan section. On a side note, I've heard that the famous Yanardag can't produce any offspring and is a pretty vicious horse; don't know if he is crypto or not and will not try to substantiate the whole claim/rumor. Semillana (talk) 20:34, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Maybe there is something useful if you got time on your hands:-) Selected References on Cryptorchidism in the Horse, 1966-2003 I have a single source on dissertation level that refers to behavioral issues in stallions related to cryptorchidism without any further elaboration or references. It says that it's a development over time, therefore it might be hard to assess properly and to separate poor training/management from other sources of misbehavior. And of course, any horse might develop any kind of issues if he doesn't have proper workout and is kept in a stall most of the time, as appears to be the case with Yanardag. Semillana (talk) 07:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  OK, both factions 

message: Just a comment that everyone writing on this article would be well-advised to read or re-read WP:NPOV, WP:RS and WP:V. As for the Turkenistan issues, I would also encourage looking at sites like Amnesty International or other third-party sources. They are more reliable than some of the breeder-written pages.  News outlets, where possible (the BBC is often excellent) are also good sources.  Montanabw(talk) 02:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Some of the content on this page is due to be reconsidered & refined based on the new high-quality DNA science in this paper:
"Y Chromosome Uncovers the Recent Oriental Origin of Modern Stallions"
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)30694-2?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0960982217306942%3Fshowall%3Dtrue
"To identify the origin of Tb, we extended our samples by including the Akhal-Teke, the remnant of the Turkoman horse [19, 45], and found that Tb is the most frequent HT among 78 Akhal-Teke males (81%, Figure 4B). Thus, Tb is likely of Turkoman origin and spread widely by English Thoroughbred stallions. Additionally, the presence of Tb in many European breeds with no documented influence of English Thoroughbred stallions shows the influence of Turkoman stallions, independent of the English Thoroughbred. This finding corresponds to the geopolitical development of the region [22]."
In particular, reference 5 on the article page, and the claim it supports regarding Thoroughbred/Akhal-Teke relationships, appear to be superceded. 
"Highlights: ... English Thoroughbred founder stallions can be traced back to a Turkoman origin"
Greenineugene (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Peer Reviewed Research on Breed Relationships 

message: Article should be updated based on new peer-reviewed research adding to the strong evidence that the Akhal-Teke is indeed the continuation of the Turkoman, and that these, not the Arabian, are the breed of foundation stallions of the modern Thoroughbred.
“Contrary to popular belief, we could detect no significant genomic contribution of the Arabian breed to the Thoroughbred racehorse, including Y chromosome ancestry.”
“Recently... an analysis of horse Y chromosome haplotypes has indicated that the Y haplotype of the “Darley Arabian” actually originated from the Turkoman[/Akhal-Teke] horse, an ancient breed from the Middle East and Central Asia that is... also an “Oriental” type breed.”
“Five of the race-use [Arabian] horses carried the Tb-oB1* haplogroup attributed to the “Byerley Turk” foundation sire of the Thoroughbred breed. Tb-oB1* is found within a variety of breeds and lineages, including the Turkomen[/Akhal-Teke]. Therefore, these five horses may carry Y chromosomes derived from ancestors common to both racing Arabians and the Thoroughbred breed.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-66232-1 Greenineugene (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should be fine-tuned based on new research