Talk:Sethusamudram Shipping Canal Project

message: This article focusses more on Issues to be resolved than the project. It tries to project as if Hindutva organizations are opposing this project. They are only opposing current alignment through channel which is considered sacred by them.--Indianstar 13:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a reliable reference for that, we can certainly add it to the article;  just make sure that the opinion is ascribed to the correct person(s)/organization. Currently the article is largely unreferenced and can be greatly improved. Abecedare 13:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can see [here] and [here] which says parties like BJP and ADMK want implementation using alternative alignments.--Indianstar 16:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: * Marine life:
Though there has been a demand from various quarters for the implementation of the project, there is also opposition to it from environmentalists. They point out that the dredging of the Palk Strait and the Gulf of Mannar, by modifying habitats, could affect the ecology of the zone by changing currents. This could:
:* cause changes in temperature, salinity, turbidity and flow of nutrients
:* cause oilspills from ship and other marine pollution to reach the coastal areas and specifically the sensitive ecosystems of the Gulf of Mannar Marine National Park.
:* lead to higher tides and to more energetic waves, and hence to coastal erosion. 
:* affect the local sea temperature and thereby alter the pattern of sea-breezes and hence affect rainfall patterns.
They also point out that dredging the canal would stir up sediment the dust and toxins that lie beneath the sea bed, smothering corals and affecting marine life. The emptying of bilge water from ships travelling through the hitherto impassable areas could diperse invasive species through the ecosystems of the area.
These effects could endanger precious marine species and biodiversity. The Gulf of Mannar has 3,600 species of plants and animals and is India's biologically richest coastal region., 
Mammal species which abound in the area are sperm whales, dolphins and dugongs. The Gulf of Mannar is especially known for its corals: the portion in Indian territorial waters has 117 species of corals, belonging to 37 genera.  Associated with these ecosystems are many varieties of fish and crustaceans. Marine life on the Sri Lankan side, which is better protected, is even richer. The Bar Reef off the Kalpitiya peninsular alone has 156 species of coral and 283 of fish; there are two other coral reef systems around Mannar and Jaffna. There are extensive banks of oysters, as well as Indian Chank and Sea Cucumbers, especially in the seas adjacent to Mannar. The pearl fisheries south of Mannar, which inspired Georges Bizet's opera Les Pêcheurs de Perles, have not been productive for many years, indicating the fragility of these ecosystems in the face of overfishing and of relatively minor changes in the habitat. 
Despite these concerns, official environmental clearance has been given for the project. The contention that the Sethusamudram Canal will cut through coral reefs and disturb the ecology has been dismissed as a mistaken fear.
The Indian government has conducted various environmental studies  
which has concluded that such issues are overblown and not based on science. However, skeptics have noted that environmentalist objections remain, including:
:* The Environmental Impact Assessment carried out by the Indian government was done by a body inexperienced in projects of this nature, was insufficiently detailed and did not consult with all the stakeholders, which included the government and people on the southern side of the proposed project,   
:* No proper survey has been carried out of the sea bed to be dredged, and
:* No proper scientific modelling of the effects of the project has been carried out. 
After environmental objections were made in Sri Lanka, the Indian government decided to carry out modelling, but this had not been done before clearance had already been given for the project.
A modelling exercise carried out by Sri Lanka's National Aquatic Resources Research and Development Agency (NARA) indicated that the project would increase the water flow from the Bay of Bengal to the Gulf of Mannar, disturbing the inland water balance as well as the ecosystems in the Gulf.
There have also been judicial observations against this project .
* Fishing
On July 2, 2005, the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh unveiled the Sethusamudram Ship Canal Project amidst protests from fishermen and environmentalists. Nearly 600 were arrested.
the whole section appears bogus with unreliable references..nevertheless, i have retained valid references in the article..no sane person will believe that any govt. will carry out a project detrimental to its own environment and its own people!! note that BJP , Congress, DMK and ADMK have all supported this project by being part of the approval process from 1997 till now. susequent opportunistic change of stand is not reason to deride what they approved after obtaining environmental clearances!!  Cityvalyu (talk) 22:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Returned to article for copy-editing. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:27, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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message: Several claims and estimates have been made regarding the age of Rama's bridge and its relation to the Indian epic Ramayana.
*Rama’s bridge is only 3,500 years old: CRS {Source: Indian Express}: "Ramasamy explains that the land/beaches were formed between Ramanathapuram and Pamban because of the long shore drifting currents which moved in an anti-clockwise direction in the north and clockwise direction in the south of Rameswaram and Talaimannar about 3,500 years ago. ... But as the carbon dating of the beaches roughly matches the dates of Ramayana, its link to the epic needs to be explored, he adds."
*Rama Setu is not a natural formation: Dr. Badrinarayanan, former director of Geological Survey of India and a member of the National Institute of Ocean Technology (NIOT) says the Rama's Bridge was not a natural formation."Such a natural formation is impossible. Unless somebody has transported them and dumped them there, those reefs could not have come there. Some boulders were so light that they could float on water."
*A premier institute had made 91 boreholes in and around the site to ascertain the truth and the soil samples kept at the Sethu Project Office could be verified." 
*Photographs taken from space by NASA: Both sides in the debate have claimed that their respective points of view are supported by photographs taken from space and released by the American space agency NASA. However a spokesman for the space agency, Michael Braukus, as quoted in the Indian press ., categorically denied that the photographs support either claim and stated "Some people have taken pictures by our astronauts to make their claim. No position can be taken on the basis of these photographs in any way," He further stated "The age, substratum, geological structure or anthropological status of the ocean bed in Palk strait cannot be determined by the astronauts' photographs. So there is no basis for these claims,". This directly contradicts the reported claim by N K Raghupathy, CEO, Sethusamudram Corp Ltd that NASA had declared the Rama Sethu a natural structure. India eNews - Ram Setu a natural phenomenon: NASA
SUMMARY ADDED TO ARTICLE Cityvalyu (talk) 22:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ramar paalam section transferred

message: As far as I can tell, the articles Sethusamudram Shipping Canal Project and Sethu Canal seem to be about the same project. Am I missing something, or should they be merged? (Since I'm not familiar with the subject, I'll refrain from trying to do it myself.) -- Vardion (talk) 02:53, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Support - You are correct, the smaller wiki on Sethu Canal should be merged with Sethusamudram Shipping Canal Project as both refer to the same project. --Neelkamala (talk) 12:38, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. Sethu Canal should be merged with Sethusamudram Shipping Canal Project. I also suggest merging of small Sethusamudram into this article which also covers the same. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 12:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Donethat page is undoubtedly about the same project; it had no references and no useful ELs so I've redirected it here. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:34, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible duplicate article

message: I removed the following referenced subsection because it repeats text dealt with in detail in other sections; it probably isn't very useful unless you are specifically quoting this person:
Safety, the requirement of constant dredging, its questionable suitability for heavy ships, the time spent because of the slow speed required for traversing the canal and cost aspects were some of the arguments put forth by Captain (retired) H Balakrishnan of the Indian Navy in an interview with Shobha Warrier of Rediff:[]Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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message: I suggest renaming this article to Sethusamudram Ship Channel Project as official government website names it that way. See website.
I would like to hear from community and to reach consensus on that before doing it. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 08:24, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
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message: " The most recent plan is to dig the channel roughly in the middle of the straits to provide the shortest course and the course requiring least maintenance. This plan avoids the demolition of Ram Setu." - from 2015. But the other parts of the article seem to be older and state something different!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.70.3.91 (talk) 22:32, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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