Talk:Military career of Simón Bolívar

message: I think this "article" is both not NPOV ("After much of the local aristocracy had abandoned the cause of independence, blacks and mulattos carried on the struggle. Elites reacted with open distrust and opposition to the efforts of these common people"?) and redundant (with Bolívar's biography). 
Piotr, 8 Jan 2006
:Perhaps merge it (back?) into Bolívar's War, which needs more flesh on its structural bones. It can be refactored/demerged at a later date if necessary. Rd232 talk 20:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I think that it is all right, it just needs more info...
and this "After much of the local aristocracy had abandoned the cause of independence, blacks and mulattos carried on the struggle. Elites reacted with open distrust and opposition to the efforts of these common people" seems okay. Everything else in this talkpage is just nonsense.Matthew Luke Gordon 02:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  re:NPOV 

message: The wars of Bolivar should stay a diferent article because the South Americans war of independece is composed of diferent campaings,people,countries,idelogies so it is unfair to just tagged it all like the same.One clear example is the political views of their major liders Bolivar and San Martin,San Martin wanted to create a monarchy in america,Bolivar favoured Republicanism.Besides the fact that South America isnt a political entity so it should have their separeted independance articles.The American Revolutionary War has around 55 kilobytes   while independence of latin america(a much more bigger region than the USA omposed of different states and less cohesive movement) is compossed of mainly stubs and unreferenced articles.Rather than merging i suggest expanding this articles.--Andres rojas22 04:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No for Merging 

message: Somebody needs to check his/her sources. 
Simón Bolívar had a dream of uniting all South American, Central American and Caribbean countries and turning them into a single, economically independent country, which he had planned to name The United States of Latin America.
Bolívar's plan was to create the Gran Colombia (Miranda's idea, by the way), which he did, not The United States of Latin America! Brazil and others were not on his plans, although he considered action at some point in a Brazilian-Argentinean conflict and an early Cuban independence.
In another topic, I find the idea to summarize Bolívar's campaigns into Bolívar's War very original and on target. This is a good point to organize the several battles in America's struggle for independence, which when divided by country lead to a poor understanding/perspective of the whole process.
Bolívar was, obviously, not alone in the fight against Spain; however, he was the commander in chief of the armies and designer of the revolution, which in fact started when he invaded Venezuela from Colombia in "La Campaña Admirable". I doubt we would have been free from Spain until late the 19th century like Cuba, had it not being by Bolívar, which of course, had lots of worthy predecessor, like Miranda and Gual & España; and loyal partners like Sucre and Ribas. However, all those battles and skirmishes that avoided us having to speak with z’s instead of s’s, can definitely fit under the topic Bolívar's war. 
Sadly, Gran Colombia doesn't exist today thanks to some of those same "loyal partners" he had during the war, especially Paéz and Santander, who definitely deserve to be under Bolívar's shadow. You just need to read their correspondence, everything they did before Bolivar's downfall, was follow his orders.
To Matthew: It is a common misconception having blacks, Native Americans, mulattos, etc, fighting only for the republican side. The so called "Spanish army" who fought the South American independence war was packed with local, non white, people, who resented local terratenientes, a condition Spaniards like Boves took advantage of. Besides, in the realist side, they had food, clothing and weapons, something that in spite of all the great heroic paintings all over SA, was almost inexistent among the republicans. In fact, you can call almost the whole struggle a civil war. And yes, many local aristocrats despised the independence movement, since it was against their best interest.  I mean, you are rich, own huge pieces of land, and free tame slaves; the only thing they hated was paying taxes, but they rather deal with the King, than with Bolivar’s socialist ideals. 
Gmlegal
:In another topic, I find the idea to summarize Bolívar's campaigns into Bolívar's War very original and on target. This is a good point to organize the several battles in America's struggle for independence, which when divided by country lead to a poor understanding/perspective of the whole process.
:Several months later, I still think that it's way too original for what is supposed to be an encyclopedic article (even if it doesn't look like one). The fact is that the term is, at this point in time and in this particular use, practically a Wikipedia invention. There must be better terms that serve the same function, but I guess nothing will change until someone's bold enough to look them up, discuss the issue and then move the article (not me, as I'm already too busy). Juancarlos2004 17:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The United States of Latin America/No for merging 

message: :In spring 1820, Bolívar's republican forces took....
When did this happen? Equatorial countries have tropical seasons, not temperate-zone seasons, so this seasonal reference is inappropriate here. If possible, substitute this with a date or a month. --B.d.mills 07:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did this happen? 

message: This article has a lot of mistakes.. I don't think that it should be refer to as "South American" countries since Panama is part of Central America.. and other territory such as the Mosquito coast was also under the possession of the Gran Colombia. 
Also a proper name for the article would be Wars of independence from Spain in the Americas or something similar.--Zer0~Gravity (Roger - Out) 22:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors