Talk:1900 Galveston hurricane

message: HI. This seems to be a contradiction, or at least I don't get it:
:"The number most cited in official reports is 8,000, giving the storm the third-highest number of casualties of any Atlantic hurricane, after the Great Hurricane of 1780, and 1998's Hurricane Mitch. The Galveston Hurricane of 1900 is to date the deadliest natural disaster to strike the United States."
How can it be the deadliest natural disaster if it had less casualties than other storms? Am I missing something? --DanielCD 18:52, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You're missing the fact that Atlantic hurricanes hit countries other than the United States. -- Cyrius|✎ 19:28, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: Also, casualties might just have been injured, not necessarily killed. 66.92.237.111 04:09, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just the geography for the other two storms. The 1780 hurricane hit Barbados and neighbors, while Mitch hit Honduras and adjacent countries. -- Cyrius|✎ 00:59, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: That would be vandalism...which anything Katrina-related is prone to. Jdorje 22:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worst natural Disaster? 

message: I just saw a video on the History Channel (I'm pretty sure) on this hurricane a few weeks ago. Someone might feel like digging it up and linking to it at the bottom. --Oreckel 13:41, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I saw that too, that's why I requested it for the main page.  I'm finding the link now.  --brian0918™ 13:44, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Sorry I missed this, I was "out" for a while, and didn't think to check this talk page when I got back. The video in question is most likely the History Channel's documentary version of the book Isaac's Storm, already referenced. But now I know who to blame for ruining my plan to request it for the Main Page on June 1, first day of the Atlantic hurricane season. -- Cyrius|✎ 00:55, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History channel video? 

message: We gotta mark this page... i have a feeling that Hurricane Katrina will knock this into 4th hardest hitting hurricane. --Dragontamer 01:22, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Katrina 

message: The text says winds topped at 135mph. The chart on the right says 150mph. Needs to be cleared up.
:It was 135 at landfall, (at least) 150 in the open water. (I think it might have been a Category 5 in the open Gulf but there is nothing to back it up) CrazyC83 18:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mismatching velocities 

message: I know the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 impactd places other than Galveston so this article needs mention impact in Caribbean, Cuba, Louisiana, rest of Texas, Ohio Valley, New England and Atlantic Canada. Probably we need to have a Effect of Galevston Hurricane by region sub page like we did with the Hurricane Katrina article. Storm05 20:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We do not need to have a sub page.  But we do need to mention damage elsewhere, if only to say that the storm caused little damage (I have no idea how much damage was caused in Cuba and the midwest).  I'd also be in favor of a structuring to a storm history + preparations + impact + aftermath sections as has become common for just about every other TC article (currently there is little information about storm history or the hurricane's formation). — jdorje (talk) 22:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a subpage is unnecessary, but I kinda like the it as is, a historic narrative.  The problem with applying a structure designed for modern hurricanes is that we have completely different sorts of information on modern hurricanes compared to this one.  — Laura Scudder ☎ 23:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I originally thought that too, but after applying it to 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane, 1935 Labor Day Hurricane, and 1947 Fort Lauderdale Hurricane I no longer see a problem.  The only extra information this article has is background (the current "The city" section), which  could maybe go into a separate "Background" section. — jdorje (talk) 00:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Impact 

message: The lack of any inline references is a major problem for this article.  I don't think it's appropriate for a FA to not have inline references.  The ref/reference format is in place; can some of the original authors go back through and add the references into the text? — jdorje (talk) 20:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going through the listed online references and trying to identify facts, but I don't have any of the paper references and rather doubt my local library would have them.  So I'll have to leave that to the original authors.  — Laura Scudder ☎ 22:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find online references to complement the paper references, that would be ideal. — jdorje (talk) 22:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've gotten all the big facts used out of the listed references.  I'll take a look around for some more as there's still lots of facts calling out for citation.  — Laura Scudder ☎ 23:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of references 

message: This article doesn't seem to follow the structure outlines for tropical cyclone articles. It has a very odd structure. But I'm not sure how to properly organize it without losing information. Can anybody fix the problem? íslenska hurikein #12(samtal) 15:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never been a fan of trying to fit round pegs into square holes for consistency's sake.  I think it works find as structured now.  — Laura Scudder ☎ 16:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article structure

message: Does anyone know how long it took to rebuild the city? That'd be a great addition to the article. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 17:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rebuilding 

message: This was featured a long time ago. Trouble is there is the perception that once an article is featured it needs no more work. That is not true as standards change. The biggest problem is this article as it stands is it only really addresses the storm and Galveston; it is more comparable to effects of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans than to Hurricane Katrina. There is minimal information about impact elsewhere in the US, and in the Caribbean. The meteorological information also seems fairly weak.
The style of the prose is somewhat distinct from other hurricane articles, but that isn't a problem in itself.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True that.  I've wanted for a long time to bring this into a similar structure as other storm articles, though I never really realized it ignores effects in Cuba and elsewhere.  One issue is the "The city" section, which basically gives background on the storm.  I'd think this could fall either under 'Preparations' or under a new section 'Background' in the traditional tc article structure.  Some people may have issues with heavily restructuring a FA, however - though I think everyone would agree the article is badly missing a synoptic history (storm history). — jdorje (talk) 23:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the need to restructure necessarily, there is nothing wrong with a quirky style per se. I'd disagree with just rejigging sections (and their titles) to bring it into line with how the more recent ones were done, if that is the only thing done. The lack of information is serious and I will send to WP:FAR in a couple weeks if we don't get any improvements on that. As for hacking at a FA, Be bold!--Nilfanion (talk) 20:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do feel a separate synoptic history is desirable.  The rest of the structure is not mandatory but the article pretty much falls into the same ordering already. — jdorje (talk) 21:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  From reports of Strength & size, it sounds the like the only area effected greatly was, Galveston. It only be came a hurricane in the middle of the Gulf. Before that it was a Tropical Storm, and did not cause large amounts of damage in such for.--Lionheart Omega 01:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't see how speculation about information that *might* exist is relevant.  Galveston was the largest city in Texas at the time.  It is where the most damage and the largest loss of life occured.  The books I know of on the topic refer to it as the Galveston Storm of 1900.  This is because individual storms and hurricanes didn't have a naming system in 1900.  Hence, "Galveston" Hurricane of 1900.  As for meteorological data, you aren't going to find any AccuWeather hurricane watch charts from September, 1900.  Deatonjr (talk) 01:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: I added several links to articles from the New York Times historical archives, now that they're publicly accessible. Pasketti 16:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Moving them back here to the talk page:
*Galveston May Be Wiped Out By Storm, September 8, 1900, "Fear that the Island City Has Met with Great Disaster"
*Many Towns Wrecked, September 9, 1900, "Terrible Destruction and Great Loss of Life in the Path of the Storm Inland"
*Great Disaster at Galveston, September 9, 1900, "Deaths May Be Over 2,600 - 4,000 Houses Ruined"
*Government to Send Aid, September 10, 1900. Contains the full text of the telegrams sent by the Pherabe party.
*The Wrecking of Galveston, September 10, 1900, "Story Told in Detail by a Newspaper Man Who Escaped"
*First Party from the City, September 11, 1900. "Their Perilous Journey Across the Bay in a Steam Yacht"
*Bodies Cast Into Gulf, September 11, 1900
*85 Died in Train Wreck, September 13, 1900
Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 18:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NYT Archives 

message: After reading many articles in The Handbook of Texas Online  I have found that the storm did much more than just destroy Galveston.  For example in the histories of towns like Pattison, Brookshire, Tomball, Waller, and Hempstead, all some 75-100 miles inland of Galveston, there is evidance of destruction and damage caused by this storm.  Many smaller towns within a 50 mile radius of Galveston were never rebuilt or never regained the growth they were enjoying prior to the storm.
As important as the destruction was to Galveston, I would still like to see more on the damage and destruction that occured to other communities.  Anyone interested in writing this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmpafford (talk • contribs) 19:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Communities Affected 

message: I wanted to suggest mention of this hurricane and a link to this article "1867 Hurricane left mark on Galveston" be included 
http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=1382de2c1b586593
since those who worry about Hurricane Ike will look to Galveston's past storms to predict the future.  And congratulations on having written one of Wikipedia's finest articles.  
rumjal 12:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 1867 Galveston hurricane

message: There should be a link in the references to this interview with the author of Isaacs Storm, a book about the 1900 hurricane 
http://hnn.us/articles/15529.html
rumjal 12:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Erik Larson interview

message: Since the article was recently re-titled to have the "h" in Hurricane as lowercase, I think we should talk of another move, before we go crazy in fixing all of the redirects. I propose moving it to 1900 Galveston hurricane. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know how much we'd gain by doing it, but I see nothing wrong with it. AFAIK that's what the old title was. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The original title was Galveston Hurricane, then Galveston Hurricane of 1900, followed by its current form. I believe my proposed change is much more natural than the current one. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, ok. True, your title does flow better, but I think they discourage starting article titles with numerical characters. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: JC, we have dozens to hundreds of articles (maybe) that start with the year. I doubt it is a problem. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed true. :-) Go ahead and move. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retitle? 

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* [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94603511  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.32 (talk) 14:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional Links

message: FYI: I added a Historigraphy section to the Aftermath. The point of the section was to mention that the hurricane and its aftermath separate two widely recognized historical periods, each a few decades long. Even though the article is not about these two periods I think it is important to understand the storm's role in the history of those periods.
--Mcorazao (talk) 15:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historiography 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:A big tip in Galveston2.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on September 8, 2010. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2010-09-08. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng  {chat} 21:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:A big tip in Galveston2.jpg]] to appear as POTD soon 

message: Since Galveston is near and dear to me, I think it would be good to put up a little something about the survivor plaques that bulidings have that survived the storm, like the Strand Theater. Just a thought. Being semi-new to Wikipedia, Im not quit sure where to pu it. Help me out? Thanks! Flightx52 (talk) 21:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, we can work on that here. Do you have a list of buildings that have those plaques? Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 19:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well as of now what I can say is that any building pre 1900 is eligible to have one. Maybe that could work. If I need to, I can look up every single building that has one, but doing it will take some time. Galveston is a fairly large place after all. If you need some builing to go off of you can use the Strand Theater. Flightx52 (talk) 20:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  a single photo with caption would suffice for now. Ken (talk) 21:28, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survivor Plaques 

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thread_title:  Dead link 

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thread_title:  Dead link 8 

message: Thomas Edison filmed the aftermath of this disaster; media that is now in the public domain.   — C M B J   06:15, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film 

message: It amazes me that there was only one mention, and as merely a by-blow, of Hurricane Ike.  I've added a link in See Also to Hurricane Ike, Texas.  It should be worked into the article.  Look at the picture at that link.  The difference between having a seawall and not.  The complacency of the residents, and the needless deaths, only 108 years after Galveston's tragedy.  My feeling is that the Wikiproject has some thinking to do about education vs. celebration. Hopefully this article on the "deadliest hurricane in US history" is an exception to good work elsewhere?  Shenme (talk) 20:43, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane Ike (2008) 

message: Since this good faith change on Feb 19 of "Prior to" to "Until" there has been an edit war over whether the article should say:
:  Prior to the Hurricane of 1900, Galveston was considered to be a beautiful and prestigious city...
OR
: Until the Hurricane of 1900, Galveston was considered to be a beautiful and prestigious city...
I have therefore restored it to the previously stable wording of "Until".  Given the edit war, obviously this is a controversial change, so consensus favoring the change must be established here on the talk page before the change is made.  Make your respective cases, folks, or find something else to do.  But please stop edit warring over this.   --B2C 06:42, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change "Prior to" to "Until"? 

message: I understand this is one of the names, but it is an older alias, and the article title doesn't even reflect that anymore. I think "Great Galveston Hurricane" should be used as an alternate for the hurricane, but not at the top of the infobox. Asking for consensus. Yanping Nora Soong (talk) 01:23, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Great Galveston Hurricane" is what it's called, colloquially.You're just getting yourself into trouble by following me around and revrting my edits without having any idea of what you're doing.  You should really cut it out. BMK (talk) 01:25, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  A "colloquial name" should not be used in the infobox: a formal name should be. Yanping Nora Soong (talk) 01:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Got a policy to back that up?  Knock it off, please. BMK (talk) 01:28, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why are you so antagonistic to me? This is conduct unbecoming a veteran editor. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes. Yanping Nora Soong (talk) 01:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Antagonistic?  You're following me around, reverting my edits when you have no clue about the subject matter, and have reported me repeatedly to 3RR.  Who is antagonistic to whom?  Just stop retaliating against me because you're pissed off about Union Square and everything will be hunky-dory. BMK (talk) 01:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Personal disputes are not relevant to the current issue-- please address Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes. Yanping Nora Soong (talk) 01:59, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using "Great" in the infobox 

message: The article is, over a hundred kilobytes, at the point where it should be split. Because of the extensive damage/deaths in Texas, I am proposing it be split off from the rest of the article with only a few paragraphs remaining in the article. It has ~11 paragraphs by my count, and there were other significant effects like in Canada. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 02:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It’s 57.6 kb of readable text. That’s on the upper size limit, but considering the article mainly exists because of its TX impacts, I’d oppose splitting unless a lot of new information is found. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 02:41, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Lots of impacts in the Midwest, the Northest, and the 8th deadliest Canada hurricane. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 02:50, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

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