Talk:El Cid

message: I've put the images that were deleted back in; what was wrong with them? 
And for a Spanish hero, why is a statue in California better than the one in Burgos? Swanny18 (talk) 12:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: File:Spain Burgos statue the Cid.jpg|1
File:Fog in San Francisco.jpg|2
File:Detalle de la estatua el Cid (Parque de Balboa).jpg|3
So, do we vote here?
* 1 Yes : 2 No (better where it is): 3 No (borderline insulting). Swanny18 (talk) 13:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're saying that the image is "borderline insulting"?  Hmmmm. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 21:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and the purpose of this section is to allow people who haven't been involved in the discussion so far to express their opinions -- hence "Third opinion". Ed Fitzgerald t / c 21:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While the image is not insulting (or borderline), it represents the Cid walking away with his horse's backside facing the reader. This is just not the best option for lead image. I have looked over the commons images many times and cannot find a better lead image than the silhouette, all things considered. (Since neither statue has any relation to the hisorical Cid, the ability to perceive their details is not important for an article on the Cid.) Srnec (talk) 04:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

text: None of these photos conveys the essence of the person. I'm not sure a photo ever could. The tone of this article needs work (as does its sourcing), so I see no need to reinforce it. Srnec (talk) 23:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion: Which image is better for the lede 

message: This is the subject of a 2 month dispute, which is no nearer a conclusion.
Does the lead image of this article need changing, and if so, to what? Swanny18 (talk) 20:17, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WTF!?!  Everyone agrees it needs changing.  No one but you thinks it doesn't.  Show me anyone but you who has voted in favor of the existing picture when presented with an alternative to it.  Really, where do you get this shit about it possibly not needing to be changed when everyone seems to agree that the old picture sucks?Ekwos (talk) 22:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC: Lead Image 

message: The previous inconsistency has been fixed.
Actual text: A weapon traditionally identified as El Cid's sword, Tizona, used to be displayed in the Army Museum (Museo del Ejército) in Toledo[...]
In 2007 the Autonomous Community of Castile and León bought the sword for 1.6 million Euros, and it is currently on display at the Museum of Burgos.
So, I'll proceed to edit the to-be-done list to reflect this.--Infinauta (talk) 16:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tizona inconsistency: solved

message: I think the style of the wikipedia is name the articles with the name of the person (Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar) and redirect the nickname (El Cid). I.e. the spanish wikipedia http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_D%C3%ADaz_de_Vivar
I propose a change in the name of the article to Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar, and a later redirect from El Cid to it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseja2010 (talk • contribs) 23:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's only true where the nickname isn't dominant over the existing name, at least in the English speaking world. For example, the page for Madonna doesn't redirect to her full name. I think that's the reason for the choice here - convention is to favour nicknames where the majority of English-speakers (and therefore users of the English-speaking wikipedia) would recognise the nickname without necessarily recognising the name. 86.27.189.195 (talk) 23:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of the article 

message: In Don Quixote El Cid is mentioned as "Ruy Diaz". Is this notable enough for a redirect page? 78.86.61.94 (talk) 05:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruy Diaz 

message: Hi, there's a statue of El Cid outside the Legion of Honor in San Francisco that has his birth date as 1040, contradicting the article's assertion of 1043.  Wandering the net, there are birth years ranging from 1040 to 1045[123], as well as a few articles[4] that claim the birth date is disputed but somewhere in that range.  To avert poor souls like myself from the urge to "correct" the article when confronted by something as authoritative as a statue outside a museum, would it be reasonable to put some indication of the range in the heading of the article?  I imagine either adding a question mark (1043?) or a range (1040-1044) and a single sentence indicating the confusion would do it for me.  Thoughts? (This was brought up in the archived talk page as well but never resolved.) Maplebed (talk) 22:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth year 

message: This article could do with a section on references to El Cid in European literature.  --Martin Wyatt (talk) 18:07, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literary references 

message: *In this article El Cid, it is said in section Marriage and family that El Cid married to Ximena in July 1075. But in article Ximena Diaz, the year of marriage is 1074. Which is correct?
*In article El Cid they have 3 children. But in article Ximena Diaz, they have 4.
*In article El Cid, he died naturally. In the latter, he died on battlefield — along with his son.
*Also, El Cid is known to be very famous among the soldiers and the common people. However it is not discussed here in article.
*I have a question; If Ximena does not marry anyone else (and so do Cid), then why should it be written like "...was the wife of El Cid from 1074... She had four children with El Cid, and one of them died with their father on the battlefield." in the article Ximena Diaz? It feels to me that it is appropriate to replace the sentence "She had four children with El Cid, and..." with They had four children, if it is already discussed that she was married to Cid.
···Vanischenu「m/Talk」 10:37, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Conflict of articles"; Unmatching and inappropriate information 

message: According to this El País article (in Spanish), the statue on the top of this WP article (wich is not the original) has several copies. Depending on sources, the original was the one in Sevilla (according to El País and this source) or the one of the Hispanic Society in New York (according to this), with the others (San Francisco, San Diego and Buenos Aires) being copies made by Huntington. Also, Spanish sculptor Juan de Avalos made another copy for Valencia. 
:P.D.: Wow! There's even a prototype of the statue from 1927 (the Sevilla original one was from 1928) that its placed at the Brookgreen Gardens, South Caroline, see again this 
::P.D. II: According to this Flickr page, the San Diego copy is from 1930, two years later than the Seville one.
Regards, --HCPUNXKID (talk) 16:44, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:   Anna Hyatt Huntington's El Cid statue copies 

message: Why was he a Spanish hero if he fought for the muslims at one point?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.167.234 (talk) 18:12, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He is a Castilian hero. The original poem is a propaganda piece where the good El Cid, symbolizing the younger, poorer and more martial Castilian nobility is contrasted with the old, richer, politically scheming Leonese nobility, and forced into exile after Leon takes over Castile.--Menah the Great (talk) 07:22, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why did he become the Spanish National Hero?

message: According to Age of Empires 2 The Conquerors expansion he died of an arrow shot while mounting a counter attack against the Moors.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.7.76 (talk) 18:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this comment is ridiculous as it is, but that doesn't exclude the fact that the source used in the article, a biographies website, is 1) at least questionable, as while its entries do cite sources they do not include inner citations on the text; and 2) its entry on RDDV doesn't actually match the "he died because of the hardships of the siege part". It says that he died during the siege, after being informed that his son died in an unrelated battle. That's all. There should be a better source that settles this matter without doubt, and also casts light on when the "killed by an arrow" story appears and why (if it is indeed fictional).--Menah the Great (talk) 07:33, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is a huge inacuracy in the Death Section 

message: After being exiled El Cid entered the service of the Moorish, Taifa of Zaragoza this part of history should not be erased along with the fact that he was a leader of a multicultural army under the Moors.182.182.106.117 (talk) 16:04, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Moorish service

message: There are a lot of theses debating the true meaning of "Campeador" as it appears to be a word created to describe him. This discussion can be found in this other wikipedia article https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campeador_(lexicograf%C3%ADa). Champion in spanish would be "Campeón", its close, but apparently there has not been found any direct meaning or true origin to this word.
*The (Spanish) lexicography article is interesting to read.  It does reinforce the notion that the meaning is more likely to originate from contemporary vernacular than a more convoluted neologism of a later date.
:I therefore think a simple review of other Spanish titles is called for.  These examples found in bullfighting are worth examining.
::picador, from picar (to prick), hence a person who uses a lance to prick or pierce the bull's neck muscle.
::rejoneador, from rejon (a short barbed spear or lance), hence a person who uses a lance to fight the bull
::matador, from matar (to kill), the person who kills the bull.
:With those in mind, a campeador, from campeon (champion) would naturally be a person who does the job of a champion, i.e. one who fights for a cause on behalf of another person.  There's no doubt that Rodrigo Diaz did exactly that.    2602:30A:2C4A:1CB0:CDC0:68D3:2592:808B (talk) 19:54, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Campeador" meaning "Champion" is still under debate.  

message: How come there is not a word here about Pierre Corneille's play Le Cid, which is one of the most famous French classical plays?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Cid_%28Corneille%29  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.44.138.194 (talk) 07:07, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pierre Corneille 1637 

message: Now it is expanded upon later in the article but in the beginning his translated title is capitalized. Including the word "lord" The capitalization of this word is confusing due to it referring to God.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.22.132.74 (talk) 19:46, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. 100% of people I know call him "El Cid". Most people don't even know that is not his name. lol. It should state his real name, but call him "El Cid". That is the wiki rules actually. 79.106.209.159 (talk) 10:40, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

text: I've addressed this. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The translation of El Cid 

message: I have added a short section on the literary and musical works that have been inspired on the life of El Cid, since it seemed absurd that the article referenced some Video Games, but not important works of art such as El Cantar de Mio Cid or Corneille´s Le Cid. 19:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Cid in Literature and Music 

message: In Spanish the term used is "destierro," which I've frequently seen more translated as banishment.  In fact, with U.S. states, where banishment is still a possible penalty, this penalty is called banishment.  Banishment is also the penalty used on Romeo in Romeo and Juliet; so, I wonder if we should opt for banishment in place of exile.  Just some thoughts. Does anyone have similar examples for exile?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrancoMacV (talk • contribs) 21:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exile v. Banishment 

message: It seems that there is no continuity in the use of Rodrigo or El Cid in the lead section.  It seems clumsy?  --Kevin Murray (talk) 20:51, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead call him one or the other?  Rodrigo or El Cid

message: "The terms for the return to the Christian service must have been attractive enough since Rodrigo soon found himself fighting for his former Lord." 
This sounds funny and doesn't elaborate with any facts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC51:2B60:B952:8460:7878:9BDB (talk) 20:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrasing/ more info? 

message: The article neglects to mention El Cid being German. Should be important. 79.106.209.159 (talk) 10:29, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  German 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: I found numerous mentions of the phrase "confirmed a document" or variations thereof in connection to activity in the royal Court in front of a king or queen. However, this seems a "lost in translation" issue, as this phrase doesn't particularly mean anything in English. Is this about giving testimony, or the simple fact of having an audience with the sovereign? If so, this phrase should be rewritten and replaced throughout the article. Deliusfan (talk) 22:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirming documents?  

message: Article seems unfinished. Battles of Cuarte and Bairen (some of his most significant and magnificent victories) we’re not included 2601:80:4601:8A70:609D:C74:9FE9:2479 (talk) 05:04, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battles of Cuarte and Bairen 

message: Why does this article have a summary section? This isn't part of the standard format for biographical articles. ____318____ 21:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary Section 

message: These two sections seem largely identical. One should be removed. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title and Etymology sections