Talk:Flag of Ireland

message: The end of the first paragraph of the introduction seems to contain redundant statements:
:"...a common interpretation is that the green represents the Irish nationalist tradition of Ireland and the orange represents the Orange tradition in Ireland, with white representing peace between them.[7] The white in the centre signifies a lasting truce between the 'Green' and the 'Orange'.[8]"
Perhaps the last sentence should be struck and the 8th note combined with the 7th, since they seem to say the same thing?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87Fan (talk • contribs) 20:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant text in the introduction 

message: I think the merchant marine exposition needs more work. My understanding is that, until the 1939 emergency order, the 1894 act was still in force not just in the UK but also in Ireland. It would seem that the Irish authorities chose not to enforce the law, presumably for nationalistic reasons. However, they could not force an Irish-registered vessel to fly the tricolour, or to refrain from flying the red ensign if the owners were so inclined. I wonder how they would respond if an Irish-registered vessel tried to sail with no flag at all.
More generally, how are marine flags registered or published? Are the details sent to the International Maritime Organization the way vehicle registration codes are registered with the UN? If so, when did this process begin, and what happened before then? The Irish situation pre-1947 seems to have been rather unruly, if most ports accepted the tricolour, the British sometimes did and sometimes didn't, and foreign boats occasionally didn't, either for bona fide reasons or to gain some tactical advantage. I can't imagine that the passing of the 1947 Merchant Navy act, still less a 1939 emergency order, would have had any effect outside the state; it might just possibly have persuaded the British customs to stop fining people, but I doubt any others even knew such a change had taken place. I might speculate that the British Admiralty was a defacto global authority whose rules another country would follow by default except in specific cases where it explicitly decided otherwise; in such a case, Britain's non-recognition of the tricolour would be bothersome until an Irish diplomat convinced Portugal, say, to recognise the tricolour. But that's pure speculation; hopefully somebody has actual facts. jnestorius(talk) 19:01, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ireland uses the term "Mercantile Marine" while Britain says "Merchant navy" and the Americans say "Merchant Marine".  There was no rule on what flag should be flown. The reality was that the deValera government were pursuing a policy of self-reliance, which implied zero exports and imports, so shipping and ports were ignored.  In general, ferries and cross-channel traders flew the Red Ensign while merchantmen travelling further afield flew the tricolour.   There wasn’t even consistency within companies. The B&I line had some ships under the tricolour and others under the red ensign.  The 1894 Act was not enforced in Ireland or in many UK ports.  You wondered if any flew without a flag.  At least one did so, I can’t recall its name at present; she was based in Donegal but spent most of the war plying between Scottish islands with cargos such as condensed milk.  Britain continued to regard Irish ships as British until June 1942.  Irish losses were registered as British losses by Lloyds register.  In January 1942, the British requisitioned the Irish Hazel which was being repaired in Newcastle, renaming her Empire Don.  On the other hand the Ministry of Information made much of Germany targeting ‘neutral’ vessels, starting with the sinking of the Inverliffey two days into the war; she was flying the tricolour and would have into Tilbury.  There were all sorts of anomalies.  Then there was the Irish Rose. In September 1941 Irish Shipping purchased the Arena.  She was repaired and fitted out in Philadelphia, where they gave her the Fenian flag (golden harp on a green field). While the battle of the Atlantic was all around them, the Arena crossed the Atlantic flying this flag and so docked in Dublin on 26 December 1941.  There she was renamed the Irish Rose and thereafter flew under the tricolour.  Your words “rather unruly” are an understatement. Lugnad (talk) 01:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your contributions. Information on the prewar period would also be nice. Have you a source for the June 1942 date? Did Customs stop fining people for tricolours after that? If small boats in internal waters are not required to fly an ensign, then Britain might have regarded small boats from Ireland as covered by that exemption.  jnestorius(talk) 08:39, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: for the june 42 date: page 129 of Frank Forde's book "the long watch".  There were no "improper insignia" prosecutions during the war.  Lugnad (talk) 09:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

text: The Donegal based boat I mentioned earlier was the Millbay ON 83941.  She was actually registered in Plymouth and therefore should have flown the red ensign.  Her story is told in Coastal Trade of the Ketch Millbay of Plymouth between 1902-44 by Lulu Chesnutt . Lugnad (talk) 09:34, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder whether the Kerlogue story is relevant here.  The Allies had declared an exclusion zone and therefore the RAF were free to attack anything in that zone.   Their report claimed to have hit a ship five times the size of the Kerlogue.  I doubt that this was a case of mistaken identity, they were just trigger-happy.  As an aside, why was the Kerlogue there anyway? why was she so close to the French coast? It was miles out of her way.  The answer has never been published, OR rules prohibit it here.  The Kerlogue and some othe Irish ships en-route to Lisbon skirted the French coast, the Germans became accustomed to seeing them, so on occasion they dropped and collected Free French and other Allied agents.  This would explain why the Admirality was so upset by the attack, and why the war cabinet ordered compensation to be paid.  Lugnad (talk) 10:43, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it appropriate to use the term "flag of convenience" when that term was unknown in those days?  It is a modern term dating from the mid 1960s, possibly a little earlier, but definitely not during WW2 Lugnad (talk) 20:31, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Another quibble to ensure neutral Irish ships were not mistaken for British ships by the German navy.  Why navy?  Some were bombed by the Lufwaffe.  I'm thinking of the Isolda Lugnad (talk) 01:03, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  
Merchant
 Mercantile marine 

message: Yet more evidence for the international audience on how badly this article is named. In Northern Ireland the Irish tricolour is EXTREMELY divisive:
Divisive flag of the Irish Republic
Mr. Elliot's comments may have lacked tact, but is how the tricolour is viewed by most in Northern Ireland.
As proposed before, separate articles called "Irish Tricolour" and "Flag of the Republic of Ireland" are required. The current article naming is simply contentious. IrishBriton (talk) 18:19, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I recommend asking the Government of Ireland to change the name of the state then. Please let us know their response. O Fenian (talk) 18:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also used at Old Firm matches for the same reason, to wind up impressionable people. So why mention just Northern Ireland and not Scotland?86.42.220.173 (talk) 21:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it's more of a reflection on Mr. Elliot than anything else.  --HighKing (talk) 22:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've seen some strange threads on Wikipedia but this one is up amongst the best. Mo ainm~Talk 22:04, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

text: If this article is about the whole island, then it'll need splitting. If it's only about the country, then it doesn't need splitting. GoodDay (talk) 22:25, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  What are you talking about GoodDay? Mo ainm~Talk 22:34, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: First things first, is this article about the whole island? GoodDay (talk) 23:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read the name of the article it is usually a clue to what it's about. Mo ainm~Talk 23:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The country & the island, have the exact same name. GoodDay (talk) 23:04, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again what are you talking about? Mo ainm~Talk 23:05, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If this article covers the history of both the whole island & the republic? you'll need to change the title to Flags of Ireland & include the Union Jack (unless Northern Ireland is no longer on the island). GoodDay (talk) 23:06, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article is about the Flag of Ireland, or will we make up a name say the green white and orange flag, would that be ok with you?Mo ainm~Talk 23:09, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this article isn't limited to the republic, the Union Jack needs to be included, with the article title changed to Flags of Ireland. The Union Jack did fly over the island, at one time. GoodDay (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I propose we rename the article to the green white and orange flag, that way editors with no clue about anything will no what it is about. Because according to a lot of editors people are stupid and might get confused. To clarify that post was sarcasm, just in case some injudicious editor thinks other wise Mo ainm~Talk 23:14, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For now, we'll let others way in on this discussion. GoodDay (talk) 23:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My advice - stop feeding GoodDay and he'll go away. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 23:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

text:  Yeah good idea because you haven't made any sense at all. So I will put it simply the article is about a thing called a flag, and it is the flag of a place called Ireland, the flag is called the Flag of Ireland, they even talk about it in something called a constitution, (oops big word there, that is like a rule book that governments use), and in that book they call the place were they are, Ireland, go figure, how selfish of them doing that upsetting everyone in Wikipedia who are always confused about names. Mo ainm~Talk 23:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Islands don't have flags, states do. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 23:41, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Flag came into usage before the 1920's, when Ireland was a part of United Kingdom. GoodDay (talk) 23:44, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Republic (where I live) in its 1937 consitution claimed Northern Ireland, but the 1998 Nineteenth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland ended that claim, so from an Irish state point of view the tricolour is not a flag of Northern Ireland but is a flag used by some Northern Irish people who like to be different in some way from their (identical) neighbours. As well as Old Firm, see Sectarianism in Glasgow. Ho hum.86.42.205.57 (talk) 06:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Tricolour is a contentious "Flag of a Foreign Nation" in Northern Ireland

message: I reverted Ran's change here to see if there are any other views on it. For me it's not confusing to have that image, since the text alongside explains the issue, as does the caption. The image immediately draws to the attention of the reader that should they see one of those flags it does not represent the Irish State. WizOfOz (talk) 19:29, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, if it is thought useful. --RA (talk) 17:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misrepresented tricolour 

message: there is a picture of wolfe tone after commiting suicide with a scarf around his wast. green wihite and orange. the scraf is split up into there segments. it appered in a 19th centuary newspaper, and is in the school book The Past Today by Dermot Lucey. would this not mean that this was the offical colours of irish republicism before the easter rising. should this be mentioned? Also the flag is base on the french tricolour dont know if this is in the artical or not.86.41.182.52 (talk) 21:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is interesting that the colours are arranged as you describe, though a scarf is not a flag. BTW, on which page does the image appear, and which newspaper and its date? RashersTierney (talk) 21:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  wolfe tone and being french based 

message: Forgive my ignorance in these matters, but where has this flag come from? Is it in any way official, or used by any organisation? MidnightBlue (Talk) 15:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello midnightblue, it is not official, only a defaced variant example that is employed mainly in a sporting context with provincial or county crests as the sources show,in the same manner as the gold version of the Ireland flag is a used variant but not official Setanta Saki (talk) 16:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The flag is now used in several articles, but it is purely unofficial. I don't think its use here, or in the other articles, is merited. MidnightBlue (Talk) 18:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto. There sees to be some invention going on at the moment with regards to the four provinces emblem. --Tóraí (talk) 20:42, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice it's now been removed from all the mainspace articles. MidnightBlue (Talk) 22:17, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes and the same editor with regards to that was incorrect, the arms of the four provinces are surrounded by numerous styles of crests there Is no officially recognized or standardized format across the board the only thing that is, is the presence of the four provincial arms. It is clear to me why the above editor who has been blocked numerous times has issue with it. Its use in this article as an example of how Irish crests are utilized on the flag of Ireland is quite justified it serves a more broad perspective than just including for example a crest of county clare as shown in the sources provided.Setanta Saki (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Ireland variant defaced with the four provinces crest 

message: In July 1923, Diarmuid Fawsett, a Free State civil servant the government wanted rid of, was planted with a bogus memorandum that the UK was insisting that the red ensign be flown at sea. When it appeared in an anti-Treaty newspaper, he was duly dismissed for leaking it. () Ironic that the bogus story turned out to have some truth. jnestorius(talk) 20:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marine flag 

message: I have changed itt from 1916-1921 to 1922 (Constitutional status; 1937). Murry1975 (talk) 16:58, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adopted in nfobox 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I added a link to the flag for Tatarstan to the "See Also" section because I see 2 reasons it might be of interest to a reader of this article:  the colour scheme (green-white-red) is similar, and the sentiment (peace between Russians and Tatars) is also similar. The parallel isn't exact of course, the Red doesn't represent Russians for example! That would be represented in the white band. 2A02:8084:B3A2:CC80:1C5A:6492:FE1:E95F (talk) 00:45, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tatarstan Link 

message: A Requested Move discussion, proposing to move this article to the title "Flag of the Republic of Ireland", is taking place here. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion 

message: There's a discrepancy in how this flag's icon links back. The flag itself is used for the island of Ireland is certain contexts' such as the Irish amateur boxing page, however it links back to the Republic of Ireland. This should be changed to reflect the different usage of the flag. Thoughts?
:I think looking at the previous discussions on this page and other requested move pages the page is ok to remain as is. ~ Ablaze (talk) 06:31, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not an issue for this page, discussion would need to be at Template talk:Country data Ireland. FDW777 (talk) 08:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag Icon should go to the island of Ireland rather than the state 

message: Over at Shades of green a massive overhaul occured around February 6th without any edit summary or referencing or previous discussion on the talk page. Most colours were changed or deleted, including deletion of most (all?) anchors (!) Amongst others, Irish green, formerly called "Shamrock green" and defined as a slightly different shade of bluish green than here, is now called "Kelly green" and defined as #4CBB17, a slightly yellowish green, and all mention of the Irish Flag has been removed ("It is named after the common Irish family name, Kelly. It evokes the lush green Irish landscape and is also commonly associated St. Patrick’s Day."). Not sure what that is all about. --92.193.240.64 (talk) 11:46, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish green at [[Shades of green]] 

message: The redirect ROI flag has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:ROI flag]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]