Talk:Vehicle size class

message: This article seems to be duplicated in terms of information over at Car_classification, to the point where the templates are (almost) the same but the examples are different. Is there a reason the two are seperate (i.e. European classifications and American classifications)? --TheSock 04:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks like a merge candidate.  I like the European (X)-class section; that could move straight into the Car classification article.  Meanwhile, the latter could stand to be cleaned up a bit, especially the example lists. --Vossanova o< 16:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly a merge candidate. But where does this idea about (X)-class in Europe come from? I've never heard of it in Europe. My ignorance doesn't mean it isn't true, of course! But I'd like to see a citation spelling out which countries use this classification. Adrian Robson 17:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added merge tags and started a similar discussion to this one, over at Talk:Car classification. That article seems to be slightly bigger and to have a better name, and thus is my nomination for the resultant merged "master" article. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 13:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate? 

message: Is Hyundai accent a subcompact? What then is Suzuki Alto?
:Yes, and the Alto is a city car or a kei car, which are smaller than subcompact cars. -- NaBUru38 15:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subcompact 

message: no consensus
This article is called 'Vehicle size class' - but it's badly named - it talks mostly about cars and trucks, not other vehicles such as spacecraft, trains, boats, etc - and it doesn't only talk about "size" - there are other classification criteria mentioned.  Since we already have articles Car classification and Truck classification - it seems to me that we should expand those articles with the relevent information from this one - then redirect from here to Car classification.  Additionally, there is some confusion over which article to link to - the vast majority of car articles (more than 2,000 of them) link to Car classification - but quite a few link here instead...which is something we could clean up and harmonize if the articles were merged.
(It looks like this was proposed over a year ago - but no action and very little discussion ensued)
SteveBaker (talk) 16:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be merged asap, I would take the lack of significant response to the previous suggestion as being indicative of a non-controversial merge. I've never merged an article before, but would be happy to attempt this merge or assist if required. Mighty Antar (talk) 19:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have done that - but I don't think the correct warning templates were added the first time around - so I thought I'd better do it right. SteveBaker (talk) 01:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I support the merge, but as far as the truck classification page goes, it only covers the United States system, and doesn't mention the European/Canadian systems at all, so that should probably be addressed. - Tmaull (talk) 22:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah - we'll have to address that - remember, this is a merge not a deletion of this article.  There is lots of good stuff here that needs to be pushed out into truck classification and car classification.  I don't want to lose any of that - just rearrange it into a more useful form. SteveBaker (talk) 01:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would contend that as the Car classification article currently stands, there is also a lot of overlap between it and the Car body style article so I've added a merge tag there as well (merge not delete!). Most of the "classifications" shown in the table here that have a dash in the segment box are both subjective classifications and body styles. In my opinion the car classification article should be based around such specifics as insurance and tax group ratings as well as the precise enviromental ratings covered on the vehicle size class page. The EuroNCAP classifications and market segment "classifications" are very non-specific groupings and as precise as general magazine classifications. Mighty Antar (talk) 12:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Both articles are really lists and should cover distinct and different topics, but currently they overlap, are very vague and are totally unreferenced. Article length is not synonymous with article quality and I am not proposing that from three articles we end up with a single article. Mighty Antar (talk) 15:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

text: One article deals only with a particular US/Canadian legal definition, not one that is internationally accepted. Mighty Antar (talk) 13:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Oppose In that case I change my vote. Pehaps the differences should be made more obvious to the casual reader, and there should be a disclaimer link at the tops of each page linking to the other. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 23:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to merge with Car classification. 

message: Bad idea. Readers and contributors are already confused enough by either article on its own. Each pertains to its own measurement system and that system's reason for being; they do not overlap and have nothing in common: one is about size relative to environmental impact, the other about weight with respect to hauling capacity, regulation of commerce, driver licensing, and assessment of vehicle license and operation fees based upon road wear caused by each class of vehicle (by weight). Both articles need expansion, editing for quality of content, and ongoing monitoring for errant entries.Wikiuser100 (talk) 04:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not a good idea to mix the two.  Years down the line maybe.  But as is, there is lots of gray area that needs worked out.  I'm going to be deleting merge suggestion sometime unless someone else chimes in.--Dana60Cummins (talk) 14:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested merge w/Vehicle Size Class article 

message: Normal size Passenger vehicles - 
Removed the following line: "The tax paid on the size of vehicles in this class is ¥39,500 yen per year for private use and ¥9,500 yen per year for business use (taxi)."
While Japanese vehicle taxes for keijidousha are calculated separately, taxes for passenger vehicles* are not decided by vehicle size class. Yearly vehicle tax (自動車税　jidoushazei) is calculated by engine size alone based on increments of 500cc. Vehicle weight tax (自動車重量税　jidoushajuuryouzei) is paid every two years based on increments of 500kg with a modifier for the age of the vehicle. While vehicle size classifications obviously and quite likely purposefully overlap with these increments, they are not determinate of the tax rate by themselves. ¥39,500/¥9,500 is the standard yearly tax rate for an engine of at least 1500cc and under 2000cc. While some "normal size passenger vehicles" do have engines within this size range many more are not, rendering the above statement entirely false and therefore fit for removal.
(In Japanese the term 普通自動車 (futsuujidousha) or shortened 普通車　(futsuusha) in everyday use is commonly used to describe any passenger car which is not a keijidousha. They are only broken down further into "small" or "normal" size for the purposes of official classification, registration and inspection.) 
Shaken - 
Removed the following line: "The tax charged for the size and engine displacement of the vehicle is paid when the inspection is successful" and replaced with more appropriate text.
Before an official inspection may be performed the vehicle must be proven to have both valid vehicle weight tax and mandatory national vehicle insurance (自動車損害賠償責任保険) paid in advance for a period of two years. The only engine displacement based tax that exists is in fact the yearly "road tax" contrary to the following line stating: "This is separate from the road tax paid yearly." This tax is only payable at this time if the car is either new or has been temporarily de-registered.1.79.29.227 (talk) 09:47, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asia>Japan