Talk:Left–right political spectrum

message: "PLEASE CHANGE,"Those on the Left often called themselves "republicans", while those on the Right often called themselves "conservatives".
TO "Those on the Left often called themselves "Leftist", while those on the Right often called themselves "conservatives"." 173.94.253.2 (talk) 23:17, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please read the section again.  This concerns historical usage. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:51, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

text: And the article concerns itself with global usage, not solely American political application. Acroterion (talk) 00:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

text: In fact the "left" in the U.S. originally called themselves Republicans c. 1793. They did not call themselves leftists because that term would not come into use until the 20th century. TFD (talk) 00:51, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2020 

message: Apparently social liberals fall on the left side of the spectrum in this article, yet nowadays certainly they do not. This should be amended  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.73.98 (talk) 12:15, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide reliable sources to support your contention. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

text: If the terms were entirely meaningless you wouldn't refer to "those on the right." In the two party system, Americans have always described their opponents in extreme terms: Jefferson was called a Jacobin; Hamilton, a royalist, as if the U.S. was revolutionary France. In reality their difference bore more similarities to the whig/radical division in Great Britain. Trump's attempt to portray Biden as a leftist failed because it didn't persuade anyone outside his most fanatical followers. TFD (talk) 10:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberals as leftists? Really? 

message: The article seems to missing sources for the expression “left wing” or “right wing”. 
After the February 1917 revolution in Russia, the Duma met in the right wing of the Tauride Palace in Petrograd and the Soviet met in the left wing. 
Anyone know of the use of ‘wing’ before 1917? Oliver Low (talk) 20:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources? Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

text: I haven't seen any sources for "wing," but Carlyle in his 1837 book used the terms left and right sides to describe seating in the National Assembly. You would need a source that the term wing came from somewhere else, although it would be interesting to know when that happened. It could well have come from Lenin's "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder (1920), although he got the terms left and right from France. TFD (talk) 22:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word “wing” 

message: Upon consulting source number 6, Bobbio, Norberto (2016). Left and Right: The Significance of a Political Distinction. John Wiley & Sons. p. 112. ISBN 978-1-5095-1412-0 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#cite_note-Bobbio2016-6), I could not find any reference to sitting positions. This is, however, a well known fact, so if someone has a proper source there would be no need to remove that piece of information. 
I do however have the following French sources, from the Larousse French dictionary's website, https://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/divers/droite/44839 and https://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/divers/gauche/54713, but it would be nicer to have an English source.
Shine Couture (talk) 15:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the link(s). Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed verification of sitting positions 

message: You might consider decoupling the terms "freedom", "anti-authoritarian", and "egalitarian" from the terms "left wing" and "liberal". Increasingly, left politics embraces limiting freedoms (such as the freedom of speech), assigning rights and privileges based on ethnic groupings (increasing or decreasing the value of individuals based on skin color), and allocating strong authority to their notions of intellectually superior classes (educators, social scientists, lawyers, atheists). 2600:1700:BA0:3730:1CFA:94D2:13C5:CB3F (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Liberalism has always posted limits on freedoms including slavery and segregation in your state. TFD (talk) 22:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates to the concept of Liberalism 

message: — VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 05:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already in the article. While your source cites Gauchet, he is already used as a source. TFD (talk) 06:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested source