Talk:Jay Munly

message: 5/6/20: Except for a few things here and there, I don't know if there's much else I can add to this page. This is my first major project. I like being thorough when doing things like this, but it looks like I went overboard. Plus, WP has strict guidelines for what sources to cite. A lot of my work was cut down, and with the general lack of info out there on Munly, I feel like it's back to square one. Looking over it, though, it is better than it was. - Xx rapunzel xx (talk) 06:22, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: ETA: Removed my 5/16/20 comment as well - users could find information in the edit history if they're so inclined. - Rapunzel )}i{( 00:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: 2020 updates (March-December)

message: 1/5/21: I finally felt like I could edit this and the other related pages with something substantial. The problem is: what do I do about the name? Munly was born as Jayson Thompson (middle name unknown) but apparently Munly J. Munly is his legal name, which I got from reading an article and from fans who know him well enough. I think I could use the interview as a source, but how would I cite it? Would the page name have to be altered? 
Then there's the frustrating Wheelerfest situation - if only the band would upload the video they made for it. Right now, people will just have to take my word for what went on. 
Lastly, there's this "Life on a Limb" book which I don't even know if it's the right title because "Mark" wrote the other book as "Ten Songs With No Words". The actual title could be be "Fife on a Lamb" for all I know. 
If anyone else would like to contribute valuable information, please do. - Rapunzel )}i{(  03:01, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  , even if that's what he has on his driver's license, it isn't the common name. It needs to be whatever stage name is most consistent.  The article can be renamed to Munly if that's more common than Jay Munly, but Munly Jay Munly is not the most common of the bunch. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:55, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2021 updates 

message: Many of the sources in the article refer to him as "Jay Munly". Per WP:COMMONNAME, why should the legal name of "Munly Jay Munly" be the article title? What reliable source do we have for the legal name? —C.Fred (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , I renamed this back to Jay Munly, but a case could also be made to rename this to Munly. I'm not sure what's going on with the recent edit cuts though, since now the sourcing's a big mess. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

text: and , I just looked at all the revisions - wow! There’s no doubt in my mind that the subject of this page tried to set the record straight, but as per the rules, I don’t really know if there is sufficient secondary source evidence to change the name to Munly Jay Munly or Munly. Is there anything that I can do to help without making this an even bigger catastrophe? - Rapunzel )}i{( 22:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Probably not, alas. It's going to come down to reliable sourcing. Even if his legal name is Munly Jay Munly, the title of the article should go with what he is commonly referred to as. —C.Fred (talk) 01:14, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Jay Munly is clearly the most commonly used name. I think the article handles this just fine as is, and you're right, there doesn't appear to be sufficient mention in reliable sources to support a change to Munly Jay Munly. Stonkaments (talk) 10:18, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name revisited 

message: Based on this user talk message, the unregistered editor(s) who keep trying to change Munly's name have a conflict of interest. —C.Fred (talk) 12:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP COI editors 

message: Given the ongoing controversy and ambiguity regarding Munly's legal name, I'm proposing the following workaround:
;Intro sentence:
:Jay Munly is an American singer, songwriter, musician, and author....
;Notes:
;References:
It's clunky, but given the ambiguity, it might not hurt here. —C.Fred (talk) 15:50, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , that still wouldn't explain why his father's last name is Thompson. See MOS:CHANGEDNAME and see Metta Sandiford-Artest who has undergone several legal name changes. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:32, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

text: See also 2007 article by Dave Herrera:  ; Gothic Country article 2014:  "His real name is, however, Jayson Thompson"  Obituary for his dad shows he uses Jay Munly as a name  AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:23, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If we're willing to rely on the Polytox source, then the intro should be "Munly Jay Munly (born Jayson Thompson) is an American singer..." —C.Fred (talk) 17:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

text:  , it's still kind of questionable, since we don't know when exactly he announced his legal name change, again compare with Metta Sandiford-Artest as a way to suggest introducing the name. But yes, you could redo the intro. Denver Post also noted his name is Munly Munly in a 2006 article, but didn't say anything about legal name.   It's not enough to override Jay Munly though as the common stage name. Note the obituary where he was listed as Jay Munly was September 2006,  and the Polytox article was 2018. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

text:  Then you have articles like CBS Local that still use Jay Munly.  AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:15, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal: Go with common name only in intro, bury rest in note