Talk:Tvind

message: To be honest, I found the article - as it stands - a bit of a mess. Convoluted and with many different viewpoints very much in separate parts. 
Could it be an idea to split the Tvind related stuff into several articles: e.g. the Tvind teachers group, the associated schools, charities and companies in separate articles. I would like to help, but working on this article as it is now is a bit daunting. 
Love to hear your thoughts.
Bas van Leeuwen (talk) 10:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split article 

message: "Don't infringe copyrights" is one of Wikipedia's key policies. On 26 Feb 2006, a large amount of text from the external website "Brief information on Tvind" by Danish historian Jes Fabricius Møller was copy-pasted into the article without his permission (even though the unregistered editor stated it was "Courtesy of Information on Tvind").
I e-mailed Jes Fabricius Møller (in Danish) on 6 March 2006, asking him if he had granted permission for his text to be reproduced in the article. He answered that, although he is an ardent supporter of Wikipedia, he purposely has not contributed to the Wikipedia article on Tvind because he has his own website and there is a link to it in the "External links" section of the article. (Like most people, he prefers that people ask his permission in advance if they wish to use his material.)
Therefore, and because articles become bloated and unencyclopedic if large portions of text found at other websites is just copy-pasted into them, I reverted 71.246.75.95's 26 Feb 2006 edit to the last preceding version. All of Møller's interesting information and commentary is still just a mouseclick away – through the "External links" section of the article.
--Bwiki 20:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't infringe copyrights 

message: Moved from the redundant article List of all Tvind Schools‎. No claims to WP:A or WP:N mentioned or claimed. --Triwbe (talk) 09:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of all Tvind Schools‎  

message: I suppose one could see it that way, although the directors of Tvind Alert are professional journalists who strive to properly source the information contained on their website.
I don't represent Tvind Alert, but to "ohnoitsjamie", if you take issue with my inclusion of several references to information posted at Tvind Alert, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this.
The numerous testimonials that Tvind Alert has received from former volunteers of alleged Tvind-related organizations are for real.
The reports concerning Humana groups getting into trouble with various governments in Europe are also legitimate. However, I will try to track down every single one of them, even if I have to personally contact the respective governments of Europe.
By the way, ohnoitsjamie, why have you not bothered with editing the content in the first section of the Tvind entry? By the way, I have had nothing to do with that section except to make a few spelling corrections. That section doesn't even have references. Why are you instead snipping out huge chunks of my work in the "allegations" section, where I have done my best to cite references?
Lord knows, I'm not a professional at editing Wikipedia, but I have taken the time to sweat through the Wiki tutorials to gradually learn how everything is properly done. I am improving. In addition, I work full time, so I can't go as fast as I'd like to in terms of getting everything up to speed in the "allegations" portion of the entry. 
There is basis for everything included in the "allegations" section — the critics are not simply dreaming it up. In time the citing of sources will improve. 
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Saskehavis (talk • contribs) 04:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sites such as TvindAlert do not meet our WP:Reliable sources guidelines.  There are plenty of better sources with similar information; I suggest checking out the SDReader article in the external links section. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tvind Alert is an attack group? 

message: Just to be clear, I, @saskehavis, have been developing only the section titled, "Allegations of organised criminal activity." With the exception of a a few "mercy" edits in most of the top half of the entry (i.e. "International work," and "History"), where there were several grammatical errors, I've generally left it alone, except of course for that last paragraph in the introduction, which starts with "Tvind has long been embroiled in controversy."
I felt that the Tvind entry was started by someone who was pro-Tvind, possibly not a native speaker of English, and who was unfamiliar or unconcerned with Wikipedia's guidelines for encyclopedic standards. 
Not that I'm a big Wikipedia expert myself, but upon first encountering this Tvind entry a few years ago, I noticed that the section criticising Tvind was small, somewhat poorly written and the references could have used some improving. 
In the interest of balance, endeavoured to develop particularly the section outlining the controversial aspects of Tvind, as the group is certainly generating a storm of bad publicity, much of it coming from reputable sources.
I never foresaw how involved the editing procedures for this entry would become for me.
I also realise it may be confusing to have a Wikipedia entry written by at least two people, one who is apparently in favor of the group being discussed but isn't concerned with referencing and the like, while yet another person is developing a criticism section and striving to include sound references.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saskehavis (talk • contribs) 21:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification and questions 

message: To "Wawelength": if you are making the effort to "proofread," "update" and "correct" the first section of the Tvind entry, your first priority should be the inclusion of inline citations to support the material that you're adding. As you may know, for several years, there have been few or no citations in the first sections of this article (before the "Allegations" section). And now your recent contributions also have very few references to show support for what you are writing.
Furthermore, this is an English language article, so adding a lot of Danish language references isn't fair to the large majority of English speakers worldwide who don't understand Danish. Do you know of any English language references you can use? 
Please forgive me if this seems impolite, but I'm curious to know whether or not you are a native speaker of English, as your contributions often have odd phrasings, word choices and grammar that are most uncommon — and potentially confusing — to those whose first language is English. In addition, you have, as I've already mentioned, added a few external links to Danish language articles. Just curious. 
As a native English speaker for nearly 50 years, I'm happy to assist you with making revisions to your contributions, which may improve the readability of your content. I promise not to change the basic content and meaning of your contribution; I'll only render it more readable. My overriding goal is to help build a well-written and encyclopedic article about Tvind 
But again, you need to include references for all of your material — in English — as this is one of Wikipedia's basic rules. Thank you.  Saskehavis (talk) 07:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations, please? 

message: I've noticed several new references that need to be properly formatted. One problem in particular is that a new editor is using the same references more than once, which, without the “shortcut,” takes up unnecessary space in the Notes section.
For example, @Wawelength has used the same reference three times, currently (as of 2012/1/2) citations #8, #10 and #11. (“Press release dated 19 February 1999 with Judgment passed by the Supreme Court on Friday, 19 February 1999.”) Let us set aside for the moment that this citation may be lacking key information (i.e. WHERE did you find this press release, and WHICH Supreme Court are you referring to?).
Please study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Referencing_for_beginners for more basic information on creating inline citations. Be sure to look at the sections “Same reference used more than once,” “References not online” as well as “Information to include.”  
You can also check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources
Wavelength, I left those 3 repeated references “Press release dated 19 February 1999...” for you to try to consolidate into one. Good luck. Saskehavis (talk) 07:53, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  To new editors: please learn how to properly format your references  

message: I have undone the recent inserts repeating content from the allegation section ”Allegations of organised criminal activity and cult status (references here are all in English)”. The inserts at this point are moreover suited to confuse readers.Wawelength (talk) 10:25, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To the contrary, I don't think that I'm confusing readers at all. I've moved the paragraph in question down into my contribution, where I would like it to remain. Also see my response to your next comment, below. Saskehavis (talk) 09:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Inserts in Introduction repeating content from allegation section

message: The entire section reproduced below seems written entirely from the perspective of Tvind, with the intention to dispute any reported accusations. The wording is opinionated, giving undue weight to irrelevant detail while failing to convey the substance of the relevant controversies. There are probably some good sources cited, but the section needs to be totally rewritten from a neutral point of view. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 23:33, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: "Controversies and opposition"

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