Talk:Capture of Saddam Hussein

message: This section leaves the reader hanging in the air a bit. Maybe I read too many Sherlock Holmes stories, but I would have thought that the dates thing was a smoking gun for the theory that the capture was staged to some extent. Hasn't anyone, anywhere tried to explain them? --Last Malthusian 10:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Abnormalities

message: Well, I checked the list of casualties and found no Marines died on 12 December 2003. That the capture was completed by an Army unit tends to discredit the claim of the alleged Marine. --Habap 21:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Marines

message: I put this here so that it will be out of the article until it's ironed out :) WhisperToMe 06:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed section

message: The Controversy section currently starts:
Journalist Yvonne Ridley reported in Sunday Express that Saddam Hussein was actually captured by Kurdish forces who then drugged him and abandoned him for U.S. troops to find after brokering a deal. She was imprisoned for 10 days by the Taliban.
What? When was she imprisoned for 10 days by the Taliban? Did it have anything to do with her report, or any connection at all to the topic of this article, Operation Red Dawn?
203.143.238.33 08:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yvonne Ridley and the Taliban

message: The entire wikipedia article chronicalling Operation Red Dawn and especially the reactions of other nations needs a great deal more sourcing. Either this webpage should be rewritten entirely, or deleted. As it is right now, it is all speculation and opinion.
Ulyssesm90 (talk) 17:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 11 years later, it is still in the same state. Most of the unsourced reactions of individuals come from a single BBC article published shortly after the capture. They appear to be carefully curated and taken out of context, involving a very small number of global politicians. Additionally, many of those individuals quoted were involve in the invasion or most-closely supported the war. I can't find some of the quotes anywhere else on the web or other sources. Considering Britain's role in the invasion, the nature of the sourced article, and that some of the quotes directly contradict the respective nations' stances on the war (such as Chirac's), this overarching source is rather partisan in nature. For some of the other quotes that have linked sources, the sources don't contain the quotes. I agree, this is a strange article that needs a lot of fixing up. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 06:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Validity of this article 

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message: Are there any books about the mission that can be used for this article?--Eaglestorm (talk) 02:57, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books on the operation 

message: http://www.slate.com/id/2245228/ Sole Soul (talk) 08:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S. military used social networking to capture Saddam 

message: Sorry but the article sucks. The title is "Operation Red Dawn," yet the section of the article titled "The Operation" is blank. --160.133.1.228 (talk) 18:18, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to fix it, then. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 17:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on content, this article would be more properly called "List of international reactions to Operation Red Dawn". (Hohum @) 18:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of content 

message: I've removed information that Hussein had 3/4s of a million dollars and a taxi in the spider hole with him. Certain arms were also mentioned:
:Items confiscated during the raid include two AK-47 rifles, a pistol
which might be OK, but I couldn't find that information reflected in the given source. -- Kendrick7talk 00:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  $750,000 in cash and a checkered cab? 

message: As many have remarked over many years, this article is not good. Here are some ideas to improve it. Feel free to insert comments after each point. 
# Move article to Capture of Saddam Hussein. The subject is larger than the American military operation and more accurately called Capture of Saddam Hussein. I further propose to remove the Infobox military conflict. The picture should stay in the article however. Remove Campaignbox Iraq War, the bottom of the article contains 2003 Iraq war Operations and Iraq War (2003-2011).  - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 17:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bold proposals 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: See:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/we-got-him-kurds-say-they-caught-saddam-20031222-gdi11c.html
21:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was it the Kurds? 

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:52, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Operation Red Dawn →  – Article title is currently ambiguous. Obvious application of principle of least astonishment. Readers seeking information about the apprehension of Hussein will at least expect a descriptive title. e.g. Killing of Osama bin Laden not Operation Neptune Spear. Schierbecker (talk) 12:11, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 December 2021 

message: The account of Saddam's capture given in the article differs from the account given by the study group in the book "The US army in the Iraq war." It sates the following: 
During their initial search of the farmhouse and surrounding palm groves, the Soldiers found two AK47s and $750,000 in cash. (Page 238 in the book, page 279 in the pdf)
This is contrary to the wiki article, which states that the cash and rifle was found in the hole. The wiki article also doesnt mention the second AK 47. I did some google searching and found some articles mentioning the second rifle:
https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/14/sprj.irq.saddam.operation/
https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79346&page=1
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/15/world/capture-hussein-ex-dictator-hussein-caught-makeshift-hide-bush-says-dark-era-for.html
https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/intelligence-planning-and-methods-employed-operation-red-dawn-the-capture-of-saddam-hussein
The chapter end notes in "The US army in the Iraq war" source this book by Steve Russel, who apparently served in Iraq according to his wikipage. 
Thoughts?  Super Spaghetti Theory (talk) 21:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory Information  

message: Where exactly was he captured? Based on  (unreliable source, user contrib), it's 34°28'22.3"N 43°46'53.7"E. Some contemporary pictures here (reliable source); the road looks similar. Some maps here (I think reliable source?); appears to line up with the first unreliable source's coordinates.
I'm going to add the coordinates with the refs but feel free to undo and discuss if disagree. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 11:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinates?