Talk:Commodore International

message: The reference to the Opel Commodore seems unlikely, and notably Commodore's West Chester Offices are around 30 miles from the Commodore Barry Bridge between Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Commodore Barry also has a statue on independence mall in Philadelphia, was the first commander (commodore ?) of the US Navy.
96.245.18.90 (talk) 06:17, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Commodore Naming

message: :"In the early 1990s, CBM continued selling Amigas with 7–14 MHz 68000-family CPUs (even though Amiga 3000 with 25 MHz 68030 was in the market by that time), when PCs with 33 MHz 486s, high-color graphics cards and SoundBlaster (or compatible) sound cards offered comparable, and eventually higher, performance, albeit at higher prices. By way of contrast, when introduced in 1985, the Amiga had competed favorably against 286-based systems with EGA graphics and rudimentary sound capabilities that frequently cost 2–3 times as much.
:In 1992, the production of the A600 seemed like a backward move; it replaced the A500, yet it removed the numeric keypad, Zorro expansion slot, SCSI capability, and other functionality in favor of PCMCIA and a theoretically cost-reduced design. It was basically unexpandable and lasted less than a year. Productivity developers moved to PC and Macintosh, while the console wars took over the gaming market. David Pleasance, managing director of Commodore UK, described the A600 as a 'complete and utter screw-up'. (Smith, 1994)"''
This is very US-centric.
It takes no notice of the impact of the Sega Megadrive and Super Nintendo on Amiga sales, for instance.  The PC was still not widely used as a home computer outside North America.
The A600 has an internal IDE interface, so it could use inexpensive PC hard drives ; there was no need for a more expensive SCSI interface.  It was expandable to 4 MB, more than sufficient for such a system.  The A600 was not withdrawn at all ; it was still on sale when Commodore became bankrupt.203.26.122.12 (talk) 06:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Commodore bankruptcy

message: The recent addition needs NPOVing -- it seems to be hostile to Commodore management. If it isn't cleaned-up then it has to be removed. --mav
: it does need toning down a little. please let's keep the "dead hot bird" usenet joke! it gives colour & context and it made me laugh like a drain :-) -- Tarquin
::I tried to clean up the stuff about management because it was still annoying me. I mean, I was an Amiga fan during Commodore's demise and I followed the antics of Mehdi Ali and Irving Gould as closely as was possible at the time. Was it selfish intent that drove them, or total lack of knowledge about the computer market? More likely it was a combination of both, regardless of what my emotions at the time wanted to believe. Anyway, I hope this puts us in the right direction. -- Dave Farquhar 23:54, 6 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: CBM mgmt part needs NPOV'ing

message: I quite like the new sectionizing, I think the article is really starting to read quite nicely now. As to the management stuff, I've always found the owner's anger misplaced -- the market would have pushed Commodore aside no matter how good the tech was, even a perfectly run Commodore would still be gone today. Apple can barely hold on and they were once one of the largest computer companies in the world, DEC, Compaq, Atari, they're all gone. --Maury Markowitz
:Re: new sectioning: Thanks!   Re: the management stuff: I think the present article's treatment of these issues is quite OK, considering that CBM arguably could have been a contender for a little longer at least, if the management had known their market, and the extent of CBM's multimedia head start, properly (as for myself, sorry to say, I never took much interest in anything else than CBM's 8-bit machines, entering the "dark gray cloud" of IBM PC clones after my C128 days...  ). --Wernher 20:36, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Sectioning; Mgmt coverage

message: Just stumbled upon this: http://pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119093,00.asp Someone take a look and add the new info. I'm too tired :(
--Borisborf 09:31, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that. The article had changed since I last read it and I didn't see that it was added.--Borisborf 21:59, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Ownership of Commodore 

message: This is the first time I've ever seen the claim that the PET was a repackaged KIM-1.  I own a KIM-1, and I've seen the guts of a Commodore PET with the original "chiclet" keyboard, and aside from both using a 6502 processor there is no similarity. The PET had the power supply on the motherboard, as well as keyboard hardware, and of course a video section - and not trace of the hex display, keypad and 20 mA TTY interface that the KIM had.  I will be bold. --Wtshymanski 22:15, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And here it is 6 years later and a PET is still not a KIM. --Wtshymanski (talk) 01:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been wrong since October 23, 2005. Got to keep everything in the watchlist, I guess. --Wtshymanski (talk) 03:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's been fixed! Never noticed it, would have annoyed me quite a bit! BTW, was this page protected? Why didn't you fix it? I'm curious. 82.197.13.175 (talk) 16:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  PET was not a KIM 

message: I just created an article called "Amiga Corporation".  It deals with the history of the company that created the Lorraine, later to be called the Amiga, computer.  To put together the article, I got information first from the Jay Miner article then from Commodore International.  There is no information about Amiga, Inc. in the Atari article.  But the information that I did find is somewhat contradictory.  I meshed it as best as I can, but I suggest that the contradictions be decided in the Amiga, Inc. article and then be distributed back to the other two articles. Val42 00:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amiga, Inc. 

message: Do we really need both :Image:Commodore Logo(197x).png and :Image:Commodore Logo(1985).png? It looks like all that was changed is the typeface of the word "Commodore"; the classic "<TT>C=</TT>" logo design remained the same. I have replaced these images with :Image:CBM Logo.svg, which is a scalable vector version of the logo. If anyone has an objection to this, please discuss it either here or on my Talk page, and we'll see what can be worked out. <TT>Crotalus horridus <SMALL>(TALK ● CONTRIBS)</SMALL></TT> 03:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Chris Yaneff's original drawing for the logo (1965) is purportedly here: https://twitter.com/vccmalta/status/1066231884911468544 --scruss (talk) 00:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Logos

message: This appears to be the proper article for discussing all aspects of Commodore's business. Perhaps a redirect from Commodore Business Machines to Commodore International is in order? I'm new at contributing, so I have no idea how to do this, or how to speed up the suggestion process. Pyrogen 09:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commodore Business Machines redirect? 

message: I'll try to give this article a bit of a going-over to improve it a bit. Landroo 20:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  generally poor writing 

message: I removed this awkward and inappropriate sentence: "This was intended to in effect, bar Jack from releasing his new computer."  
It was promptly put back in.
While I appreciate the author's intent to attribute motives to Commodore management for that action, it's unwise to do so, especially in an encyclopedia, which is supposed to be factual and unbiased.  Landroo 05:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tramiel quits; The Amiga vs ST battle 

message: http://www.zimmers.net/commie/docs/cbm-products.txt -andy 80.129.113.55 00:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please give this list a look-thru as well 

message: Commodore is back with high-end gaming rigs, they released them at CeBit 2007. tech digest
:Yeah, I'm surprised that this information has not been included in the article. Commodore has launched its new website and are planning to release high-end gaming computers, much like what Alienware are doing. Here's a dailytech article on that. - Anas Talk? 18:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This Commodore has not practical relation with the "real" and "original" Commodore. It only shares the name. Jcea 18:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which isn't really an issue, since they are the legal holder of the name (and some of the properties) and therefore part of the legacy that is documented here.  Its no different than Tramiel's Tramel Technologies Ltd. buying the Atari name and some of the properties and renaming it Atari Corp., or Infogrames buying the Atari name and some of the properties and renaming its U.S. division (formerly GT Interactive) into Atari Inc.  --Marty Goldberg 20:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly do they own?  Name and logo?  Perhaps better than to refer to "Commodore Gaming" as "Commodore" would be to write a section in the discussion of post-bankruptcy follow-ons discussing the them as yet another purchaser of a limited set of rights, and list exactly what connection they have to CBM per se.  If they're notable enough, create a separate page (assuming they're "Commodore Gaming" and not "Commodore", in which case we may want Commodore (Gaming) with disambiguation of some sort.  (Once they merit a separate page.) ---  jesup 22:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the immediately-preceding comments on what to do. — Val42 (talk) 23:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Commodore Resurrected

message: I see no mention of the Super Pet.
This was a Pet with the processor (6801?) removed and a daughterboard in its place with a Motorola 6809 and 64K more RAM on it. It came with WatCom compilers for Assembly, Basic, Pascal, Fortran, Cobol, and APL!
It was developed partially before the release of the 6809 with Waterloo getting the NDA spec for the processor from Commodore without Motorola knowledge.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.43.16 (talk) 22:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of the Super Pet 

message: http://www.commodorecorp.com/corporate/home.aspx  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.142 (talk) 02:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commadore International is still around. 

message: Can anyone add a Commodore PC family ? Old-computers.com link ; Alecv (talk) 13:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commodore PC 

message: Almost a year after their CES announcement, their store isn't working yet, and their main page contains a bunch of hidden spam links at the end.  I fear we may be looking at vaporware here.  Emurphy42 (talk) 04:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commodore Evolution legit? 

message: commodore old headquarters in west chester is not part of qvc what so ever a new company occupies that building and there is no evidence that qvc ever was in that building, i suggest adding reference to this claim if there is one otherwise it should be deleted  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.214.172 (talk) 01:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commdore headquarters 

message: There isn't much information available on Wikipedia about the new products. I am going to add them. In-Correct (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding More Infomation 

message: What's the connection (if any) between the two companies?  Are the C64 KB-decks sold at commodoreusa.com made by the Chinese corp that makes the netbooks?  Alatari (talk) 07:08, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commodore USA and Commodore China 

message: When I was in high school, I recall seeing Commodore-branded filing cabinets with the rainbow and lowercase logo.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.104.200.131 (talk) 06:03, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Commodore manufactured filing cabinets at one time and had filing cabinet factories in Canada. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 06:23, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Other products prior to computers

message: Removed mentions to Commodore USA (http://www.commodoreusa.net). None of the computers they sell are commodore-branded and they are using the name without permission. Absolutely no relation to Commodore International whatsoever. MaKamitt 23:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted.  According to their site, it clearly states "Commodore® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Commodore Licensing, BV, registered in the United States and other countries worldwide."  If you have referenced information to the contrary, then that can be taken in to consideration and/or added.  But it can not simply be removed based on your unreferenced and unverified word. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 00:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As of april 12th, we have this engadget article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/commodore-gaming-disavows-commodore-usa-and-its-decals/ . I'll email commodore international and see what they have to say on the matter though. apologies for not providing a reference initially, but I honestly didn't think anyone took their site seriously, and thought it was probably self-promotion by the site owner. As for "exclusive worlwide license, we know that to definitely be false simply by the existence of commodore international and commodore gaming MaKamitt 12:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated, it can be taken in to consideration and added, i.e. information from notable sources that discusses the discrepency.  However, this company and it's relation to Commodore (whether done under license or not) has to much reliable and notable press to be completely removed.  A good solution to compromise would be to start another section in relation to this company, covering it in a *neutral* manner.  That includes press coverage about their products, and items like the engadget article when discussing the licensing controversy.  Finally, your observation is incorrect as you're missreading the statement.  It clearly states it's under license from Commodore Licensing, BV.  That is a part of Commodore International BV and under the umbrella of Commodore Asia now.  The process is covered a bit here and here (the latter forum link can not be used as a reference in the article, and is being povided for contextual discussion only).  --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

text: I am going to edit the different hardware section. Every recent Commodore that I know of has an Intel Processor, not just Commodore USA. Others are truly made for Windows such as the ones sold at http://www.commodorecorp.com/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by In-Correct (talk • contribs) 12:35, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Also, why are the Commodore USA computers not listed? I am going to add them back. Perhaps I should wait until they begin selling them. In-Correct (talk) 12:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Commodore USA

message: Please keep it, and whoever added "(made by Commodore USA)" please do not add that back in there...or anything else like that. ALL manufacturers...whether they are Commodore World, Commodore Gaming, and Commodore USA, ...clearly have...in my opinion (which BTW I kept out of the article lol) merely PC clones, with PC keyboards, and Microsoft Windows. The only thing close to Amiga-like is installing AROS and the only other computers that are both PowerPC and can run MorphOS and AmigaOS are clones. 
It is VERY important that the differene is clarified, because at one time Commodore was entirely its own system, with specific hardware, operating system, and keyboard {and Amiga Key and the C=Key is similar to Apple's Command Key...does Apple use the "Windows" key on their keyboards?! Haha now whether Apple should be doing that is a worthy debate, and don't worry...I kept this opinion out of the article also) and so people have to realize that Commodore is not simply a PC clone. In-Correct (talk) 07:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-Added "Different Hardware And Operating System

message: I think this was added by somebody at Commodore USA. They keep mentioning on their websites that their computers are "modern", using all the features that nobody else has, Let Go Of The Past, blah blah etc. 
but I don't think that Commodore USA is the only one that has "Modern" computers. All computers, regardless of manufacturer, should be considered Modern.
Also, "Modern" is not the Correct word!! Of course all computers still being made are going to be modern!! It is all about that "Let Go Of The Past Thing". The word should be "Recent", not "Modern". 
Besides, do they even sell the computers, or are they still designing them?! These computers are a lot closer to being prototypes or concept machines. 
Blah. I am going to go ahead and delete the "Modern" computers section. All, yes ALL... "Recent" Commodore computers has been explained in that "Different Hardware And Operating System" and I tried my best to type in The Neutral Zone.
More will be added...once the machines are sold. 
And that Commodore/Amiga-Flavored Linux distro isn't even named yet. I will add it later, once it has been named and released.
In-Correct (talk) 07:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: I think the "Modern Computers" should be deleted

message: Once again...this paragraph is being edited to make it appear that ONLY Commodore USA is responsible for different hardware architecture and operating system.
THIS IS NOT TRUE. Intel and Windows have been used before with both Commodore International and Commodore Gaming years before Commodore USA!!
I am putting back what I wrote...and PLEASE do NOT turn it into a Commodore USA-Only paragraph!! This is why my paragraph keeps getting deleted!! 
Don't believe me? Read THIS. http://www.commodorecorp.com/ it clearly sells PC Clones and it clearly isn't Commodore USA. 
AND also I read in the history notes...Commodore USA has nothing to do with Commodore International????
There is a press release somewhere about Commodore USA being selected by Commodore International to make a replica of C64 keyboard computers. and that they will release cell phones with Android OS, (I think they should have picked Symbian, butI will leave that out of the article)
Also, because Commodore International is using only Intel and Windows, this means that Commodore International itself has been using different hardware and operating systems, not just Commodore USA.
In-Correct (talk) 05:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: RE-Readding "Different Hardware And Operating System"

message: I think that Commodore USA is adding more information. At least they kept it in the correct paragraph. I think that it needs reference links. (Other members might want to delete the entire paragraph, but I think a search for reference link should be the solution for now)
ALSO the last sentence, about the Commodore OS needs a reference link. It IS notable, since I have listened to the interview with Leo Nigro and ? about Commodore USA, which mentions the Commodore OS. But I don't know how to add reference links lol. In-Correct (talk) 09:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Commodore USA in Post Commodore International

message: Commodore USA is gone from the "Post Commodore International" section anymore. I don't think that Commodore Gaming needs to be either. Wasn't Commodore Gaming a computer company that made custom designed Commodore PC CLONE cases. not much different than Commodore USA?! So both shouldn't be here. I am going to add a summary about the present status of Commodore. In-Correct (talk) 00:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Commodore Gaming in Post Commodore International

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message: "File:CBM Logo.svg" does not have the correct aspect ratio. Compared to the file it is based on ("File:Commodore logo.svg") as well as other images of the Commodore logo, one can clearly see that the C should be circular not oval.
I provide a much improved hand-coded version. Inkscape seems to generate overly complex/large files.
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alien426 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commodore logo (C=) 

message: A lot of Commodore products aren't mentioned in the main article. They're in the products section but not in the main one.
Their PC compatibles were sold alongside the Amiga line of computers, the Plus/4 and C16 family (If I'm remembering correctly) was Commodore's attempt at competing with the Sinclair ZX80, and the C128 is at least mentionable before Amiga. Amelia.uhh (talk) 21:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of some major points of Commodore in the article?