Talk:Colorado Avalanche

message: Is it the best idea to have Quebec Nordiques redirected to the Colorado Avalanche page, and list people like Michel Goulet as Hall of Famers?
I was thinking we could have 2 pages, one for Colorado Avalanche and one for Quebec Nordiques.  If there were some Hall of Famers from the Nordiques we could link from here to the Nordiques page.
I guess we could have one page for both, maybe once this page gets longer it will become more clear to me how that will be done.  dave 02:51, Mar 31, 2004 (UTC)
I don't see why there should be seperate pages, because I haven't seen a single professional team that has a seperate article for their former locations and/or team names.
It seems the standard practice is to have one page for each team not seperate pages per what city they played in
I feel that the Nordiques warrant a seperate entry. Although one came from the other, the Nordiques played in a different city, a different arena, had different colours, different jerseys, different rivals, a different logo... in short, the Nordiques and Avalanche, although one came from the other, are two different teams with two distinct identities. In the interest of comprehensiveness I think the two articles should be seperate. In any case it seems kind of funny that the great majority of this article actually is the the history of the Nordiques.
The "standard practice" can be wrong. It should be noted that Atlanta Flames and Calgary Flames have seperate articles. I created the seperate article because I felt that redirecting "Quebec Nordiques" to the Colorado Avalanche article just didn't do the team or the topic justice. I also don't support merging Winnipeg Jets and Phoenix Coyotes, Hartford Whalers and Carolina Hurricanes, etc. You could make an analogy of merging the USSR article with the Russia article. --Legalizeit 13:18, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nordiques separate entry?

message: I have started a List of Colorado Avalanche players. When you add new players to the main Avalanche article, could you also add them to the players list? thanks! Masterhatch 12 August 2005
shoud kids beable to add to this artical
As long as the content you add is worthy of being in the encyclopedia, it doesn't matter how old you are. We have some great contributors who are kids and also some terrible contributors who are adults. Academic Challenger 01:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Colorado Avalanche players 

message: While adding a Grand Totals to the season-by-season records I realised that there is an error. The Avalanche have played a total of 820 regular season games in ten seasons, yet the number of W, L, T and OTLs only add up to 819. I haven't actually corrected it yet, since it's a hell of a hazzle to find out where the error is. And since I'm not an Avalanche fan myself I don't want to spend too much of my time on it. But in case one of you Avalanche fans would like to correct the information on the page, www.hockeydb.com would be an excellent place to starts. Cheers! JesperLærke 13:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Season-by-season record

message: For the last few weeks, i've been involved in an edit conflect with anon user 72.174.2.93. The anon user, continues to post Lefevbre in the Team Captains section, however he/she provide no verifiable evidence. Yes Lefevbre did fill in as captain for an injured Sakic, but every Avalanche offical media guides that I've seen, listed only Sakic as captain. Who is correct, can someone please resolve this dispute? GoodDay 19:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wrong, the Avalanche media guide fot the 1997-98 NHL season apprantly lists Lefebvre as captain. Oh well, excuse me while I eat crow. GoodDay 23:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain Sylvain Lefevbre? 

message: Yo, I was looking at the roster, and I saw that Peter Budaj's birthplace was somewhere in Czechoslavakia (I don't know how to spell that word), but when I put the cursor over his nationality flag (which I noticed wasn't the same flag as listed beside other Czech players), a little bar popped up that listed the flag as that of Slovakia. Can someone please fix this?Ohyeh 23:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The name at the time, which is universal practice for encyclopedias in general, as well as that of Wikipedia and the WikiHockey project.  Czechoslovakia is quite correct.  Ravenswing 21:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Info 

message: I did't know that Wojtek plays for Team Canada. Should we make that a foot note. I was about to edit his flag until I saw the note in the edit page. We should have a foot note to make regular browers aware of this. And where is your proof?
Acid0057 01:46, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Proof be here. And also, footnotes shouldn't be necessary, since a lot of other players are on the same boat. However, I don't see the harm in making footnotes -- it might actually help in this case, since people are constantly assuming Wolski retained his Polish citizenship (or assuming Poland has jus soli law) and changing his flag to Poland. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 02:51, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for those links Buchanan-Hermit. I didn't know about jus soli. I have made the footnote. Acid0057 04:48, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wojtek Woski 

message: Someone should add a section on the 10-min fight with the Red Wings in 1997... 39 penalties! +sj + 12:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or just put a link to "Red Wings-Avalanche brawl 1997" page71.114.82.53 02:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Wings fight in 97 

message: I'm a member of the Hockey WikiProject, but I took a look at the article and I'm quite impressed. It needs work before its on the same level as the Devils article, but for the time being, I find it is of GA quality. There are a few minor things, but I'll fix them myself. -- Scorpion 02:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot. I did a lot of work over the past few days to find references for the entire text, create new sections on the rivalry, honored members and jerseys and logo and organized the article. Thanks to everyone for the contributions for this article and thank you for considering this is up to GA standards. It's not as good as I'd like it to be, but I don't really know what to do more. The history section on the Avalanche part could be better written. Suggestions would be good.--Serte [ Talk · Contrib ] 13:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: As headline grabbing as the incident was I hardly feel there's any point to include it in a article about the franchise.  He was not a star player and they've managed fine without him.  Losing Forsberg due to him signing with the Flyers is a much bigger deal.  He was a star, Moore is not.  Fighting for Justice 05:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed; nasty though it was, these incidents happen, and it's strange to give them so much more attention than any other deals in the team's history.  Speaking of which, does anyone else find it weird that this "Rivalry With The Red Wings" section is half the size of the entire team history?  C'mon, does this really merit anything more than "Many perceive the Detroit Red Wings to be the chief rival of the Avalanche?"   Ravenswing  13:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with this.  Remember that Wikipedia is Not Paper, as well as the fact that this is one of the most highly publicized incidents in hockey history, and one of the few that included an off-ice investigation and a legnthy ban.  I think this deserves inclusion into the article, perhaps at a reduced size?  Kntrabssi 14:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia isn't wastepaper either.  It's nowhere remotely close to "one of the most highly publicized incidents in hockey history."  It's one of the most publicized on-ice assaults within the last couple seasons.  Was it more important than McSorley/Brashear?  Richard/Laycoe?  Green/Maki?  Forbes/Boucha?  I agree that a single sentence mentioning it is sensible, but for heaven's sake, the franchise's two Stanley Cup championships have no more than a paragraph apiece.    Ravenswing  16:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But Fighting for Justice removed all mention of it entirely.  It deserves to be mentioned because it IS as important as Richard/Laycoe and McSorely/Brashear.  It can be included under the 1995-present heading.  Also, there is no need to include the "Red Wings rivalry" headline in the article, as it is already present here.  Kntrabssi 16:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All right; mention it and give it, at the most, 2 lines.  The incident does not merit an entire section of it's own; that's overkill.  Personally, I don't think it should mentioned at all considering Moore was only a peripheral player at best.  Fighting for Justice 06:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Steve Moore incident section 

message: Needs to be mentioned. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 00:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mascot

message: What happened to the 'current roster'? GoodDay (talk) 00:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad. :) Jmlk17 06:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Roster

message: I'm not even a hockey fan but I've seen this article vandalized several times in 10 minutes. Someone needs to lock this article!!! 70.240.103.159 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 17:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In general articles don't get locked unless its an ongoing long term vandalism. -Djsasso (talk) 18:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at the history, Djsasso. ScarianCall me Pat! 18:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Enough vandalism for full protection, IMO.  Shouldn't stay fully protected too long though.  We'll have to keep an eye on it. - Rjd0060 (talk) 18:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol. If there was ever an article that warranted full protection, it was this one. The article was the target of an immense coordinated attack, possibly initiated by a radio station in Detroit. It's going to be unprotected very shortly, as you noticed. Enigma message Review 18:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah definately, didn't mean it shouldn't be. Someone just beat me to the punch doing it. :) -Djsasso (talk) 18:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I mentioned that at wp:ani, but was unaware of the forum link. thanks Enigma message Review 03:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I guess Avalanche fans and radio personalities aren't as interested in vandalizing Wikipedia as Red Wings fans. Stay classy, Detroit. Enigma message 05:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They deleted the thread. It was gone when I woke up this morning. They don't want to be held responsible, apparently... Enigma message 15:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is once again heavily vandalized as of 4:19 EDT.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.165.29.50 (talk) 20:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lock this Article 

message: Upfront dislaimer: I am a Detroit Red Wings fan. In my opinion, some of the best hockey that I ever saw was the playoff series match-ups between the Avalanche and the Red Wings, running from 1996 thru 2002, no matter which team eventually prevailed. 
However, the Avalanche/Red Wings rivalry has probably run its course. As of right now, the teams are not as equal in talent and success as they once were and nearly all of the players who were on both teams during the rivalry have since either retired or moved on to other teams. There are only four Avalanche players (Joe Sakic, Peter Forsberg, Milan Hejduk, Adam Foote) and only six Wings (Nick Lidstrom, Chris Osgood, Tomas Holmstrom, Kris Draper, Kirk Maltby, Darren McCarty) left from that era.
I think that the rivalry as historical information is important, but this article places mention of the rivalry in its opening paragraph. Is the now defunct antagonism still a truly defining attribute of the Avalanche? I'm certain that it's not for the Red Wings. --68.72.250.165 (talk) 17:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivalry with Detroit 

message: The article says the Avs were the first NHL team to win the Stanley Cup the first year after they relocated.  Are they the only team in any major league sport in North America to win after relocating?  The closest thing I can think offhand: I recall that the Houston Dynamo won the 2006 MLS Cup in soccer as an expansion team, whose players and staff all just happened to have previously been employed by the defunct San Jose Earthquakes. I am not sure if MLS counts as a major league, and of course the Dynamo were officially an expansion team, not a relocated team.  Also, the Cleveland Browns won the NFL championship in 1950, the season after they changed leagues-- but the Browns didn't actually relocate.  22:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: First Team in Any Major League sport to Win a Championship the First Year after Relocating?

message: I just changed 1995-2001 to 1995-2002. I think this is a much better division of the club's history, since there's a marked and apparent difference in their overall stats and achievements that began in the 2002-03 season. Jmj713 (talk) 15:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Division of the "eras" 

message: When I was following the move of the Nordiques to Colorado in the media back in 1995 (I was following this on the Fan590 here in Toronto via daily newsbits on the radio station), I remember that the new name was announced as the Rocky Mountain Extreme, and that the fan backlash against the name was so bad that the ownership recanted on it and had a name the team contest to let the fans chose the name. While fooling around on Google, I found mention of this here (read the second question)
http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_11972513
Should the original proposed name be mentioned in the article, since this was the intended name of the franchise?Giantdevilfish (talk) 19:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so. This would be good information for the transitional period. I think, however, the correct spelling was Xtreme. Perhaps some photos of the players wearing the "Colorado NHL" shirts could be found and added, too. Jmj713 (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rocky Mountain Extreme

message: Before anyone makes changes, please wait until Thursday (for confirmation of the retirement). GoodDay (talk) 22:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sakic's Retirement 

message: I don't follow.  How can they claim to have the longest 'attendance sell out' record in NHL history?  Is there some meaning to 'attendance sell out' that I'm not aware of?  The Leafs have sold out every game since 1946.  Do they have a sell out record, but not an attendance sell out record?    I don't think it's right.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prockinator (talk • contribs) 00:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The stat you mention about the leafs is actually an urban legend. There have been chunks of time where they weren't selling out between 46 and now. -DJSasso (talk) 03:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  And, after all, the Leafs don't report a monolithic attendance total year after year.    Ravenswing  03:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the final total changes because of standing room only tickets, but no, the Leafs have not sold out every game since 46 - unless the team inexplicably removed hundreds, or thousands, of seats from MLG in years like 85-86 and 91-92 through to 97-98.  They failed to sell out every game in the ACC in 2001-02 as well.  So no, Toronto never came close to the sellout record.  Resolute 05:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:   I don't buy that for a second.  I can pretty much guarantee you the Leafs sold out the 01/02 season.  I can't say going back to 1946 for sure, but you're definitely not right on a few of those.  I don't know where you're getting your numbers - it's possible that a few of the tickets went unused, but not unsold.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.124.96 (talk) 03:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, I went back through the game logs, and yes, my source has a typo for 01-02.  Resolute 03:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

text: There are some games in 2002 that the Leafs didn't sell out however. Their capacity is 18,800. Just look at the attendence figures at nhl.com. One such game was October 31st. -DJSasso (talk) 12:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, are those attendance figures, or gate figures.  And I know the ACC has gone through changes over the years as well.  I'd be willing to bet you can find some games for the Avs with attendance under their stated capacity.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.124.96 (talk) 05:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually no, the released figures are always tickets sold, which is why people scoff at them because when you watch some teams games you can tell that there aren't actually as many people there as the numbers released. -DJSasso (talk) 11:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: More accurately, the stated figure is tickets distributed.  The turnstile count and tickets sold are virtually never released.  If they were, the ugly numbers in places like Phoenix wouldn't require a bankruptcy action to find out how many people are actually showing up.  You can guarantee that that attendance figure in Toronto is tickets distributed. Resolute 14:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  attendance record 

message: Should we leave Greg Sherman in the infobox? While he is by name General Manager, Joe Sakic is really doing what the GM on any other NHL team is doing: overseeing personnel decisions, trades etc... So, I think we should amend to "VP of Hockey Operations: Joe Sakic". Or something along those lines. Sherman is not doing what a normal GM would do, so the info is misleading.
Austin19 (talk) 22:03, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether he is doing what other GMs do or not, his title is GM therefore he is the GM. -DJSasso (talk) 16:44, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, because that's what's important: the title! :p Wikipedia is about getting the best possible information and that would mean at least mentioning that Sherman doesn't have ANYTHING to say, but it's Sakic who makes the decisions. Austin19 (talk) 00:36, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: An infobox is just information at a glance.  What I would recommend doing is explaining in the General Managers section how the current management group is arranged, and what role each of Sherman, Sakic and Roy have. Resolute 01:01, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed.  Beyond that, what we are bound to do here is record reported fact, not to insert our own private speculations or opinions.  We can all think of examples where the person nominally in charge wasn't, and where we can find reliable sources saying so is the point where we can put that in the main body of the article.   Ravenswing   06:18, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect! Then let's do that! As you can see from the fact that I started a discussion first, I care about the integrity of the article, but I really thought that not mentioning Sakic as Executive VP or Sherman's lack of power - it is real, not only perceived - the article wasn't as informative as it should and could be! Austin19 (talk) 11:16, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough.  Feel free to add your explanation, along with the sources that support the statements.  One of us can copyedit to match formatting guidelines and the like if you need it. Resolute 13:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: General Manager

message: NOT "The 'Colorado Avalanche are" BUT The Colorado Avalanche IS" because avalanche is a singular word. Also, "team" is singular, so you have used a load of the wrong verbs and pronouns. 
This article needs singular verbs and pronouns all the way through.
For a similar example, note that the New Jersey Devils ARE, but the Tampa Bay Lightning IS.
The Boston Celtics ARE, but the Miami Heat IS.98.67.168.127 (talk) 01:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Are" is correct with sports teams as we're referring to a group of people. A group of people are. A group of people is. Which sounds better to you? We're referring to the team, not an avalanche, lightning, or heat themselves. Gloss • talk 06:00, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Its actually a WP:ENGVAR issue. In North America we use "are" because teams are considered plural here. In Britain they use "is" because they are considered singular in Britain. Because this is a North American team with use North American usage. -DJSasso (talk) 12:51, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Sports usages are the way they are not because they make grammatical sense, but because they're the ones commonly in vogue.  Listen to a Premier League soccer broadcast, for instance, and you'll find that England uses different pronouns than North America does for such things.   Ravenswing   10:47, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

text: No, 98.67. The Colorado Avalanche are, and the Tampa Bay Lightning are. This is a standard used pretty much universally in North America. The fact that some teams use nicknames that don't end with an S doesn't make the usage singular. Resolute 20:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singular  

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message: The image showing jersey designs needs to be updated to reflect the new Avalanche Alternate jersey design starting the 2015-16 season.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:281:8301:94EE:3CD1:9188:14D3:2B22 (talk) 08:33, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hebrew version of this article has the updated jersey, you can use it to update the current image. Tdunsky (talk) 15:45, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to Heb Wikipedia User Tdunsky, we have an image to do so. However, I modified the image to account for the difference between Hebrew's right-to-left and English's left-to-right order. This is possibly why no one has updated it yet. It should appear in the article. That is, if I haven't angered the Wikimedia Commons gods by my claim of fair use. -- Srwalden (talk) 12:01, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
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message: This article has been tagged for a , and it will most likely need one. I have tagged some references and a few other issues. These are many, but not exhaustive.  to give a heads up before opening a reassessment. AIRcorn (talk)
:The list of captains, general managers, coaches & retired numbers, needs to be changed back to lists-format. The tables-format is nothing more then decoration & un-necessary. GoodDay (talk) 03:17, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAR request 

message: I plan to work on this extensively and eventually re-nominate it for GA. Anyone is free to help. AmericanAir88(talk)  03:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for those removals. :) GoodDay (talk) 22:18, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

text: AmericanAir88(talk)  23:21, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Renominating soon

message: *Objective 1: Copy-edit the entire article and make sure the code is intact.
*Objective 2: Address all reference issues and add more citations.
*Objective 3: Make sure there are no copy-vios or un-neutural statements.
Once all three are complete I will send this to GA Nomination. If the nom is successful, I will repeat steps 1,2,3 and go to the WP:GOCE for more refinement. After that I will sent this to FA. 
:AmericanAir88(talk)  23:21, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Game plan