Talk:Hammadid dynasty

message: The dates do not correspond with the (a little more extensive, and listing sources) German article at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammadiden 
Should we assume that they are wrong, or does anybody have sources? -- Ravn 23:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  dates 

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message: Reading Ibn Khalduns's "History of the Berbers" among other books , we notice that the Hammadis controlled cities as far as Ouergla and Fez , and some Tunisian costal cities as some point. 
Can someone make a more appropriate map for the Hammadis at their hight ? Alg01 (talk) 21:05, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extent of the Hammadis Kingdom ? 

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message: {{notif|Vif12vf}Hello... I edited the article's image because it was wrong, but it was not accepted
So let's get to know each other, brother  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammed isa5 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debate for candid editing 

message: There's a lot of helpful material in this edit, but there are a few issues with the new section as a whole:
* The section is mostly a description of historical events. These are, or should be, covered in the history section. As is, there's effectively two parallel historical accounts in the same article, which isn't appropriate.
* It also has a skewed POV: as far as I see, it's exclusively a compilation of Hammadid victories and conquests, with no mention of defeats, withdrawals, or whether some conquests were temporary. This is obviously not balanced; the Hammadids were not perpetually expanding and had setbacks just like anyone else.
* More abstractly: a "territories" section is also not needed and generally not found in similar articles. This seems like a well-intentioned attempt to set the "borders" of a Hammadid state, but emphasizing this idea for pre-modern states in North Africa is problematic, as territoriality was not expressed in the modern sense until much later periods (e.g. see ).
 
My recommendation is to move and integrate this new material into the existing history section instead, which I think would resolve most of the issues. If there are any contradictions between old and new (sourced) content, please note and discuss them on the talk page, to avoid arbitrarily picking a preferred version. Maybe some minor POV issues would remain after this, but it's much easier to improve one history section than two. 
The last paragraph, though, can usefully be turned into the beginnings of an "administration" section (or something similar). So I'll split it under a new heading, and I'll try to find an appropriate tag to encourage merging the rest. Feel free to further discuss here. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 22:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New "Territories" section