Talk:PlayStation 2/Archive 2

message: Where's your source that says it's 256 bits, not 2560? Here's one that says 2560:
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/072/072873p1.html PSXer 07:21, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  DRAM bus width 

message: I noticed a note was added about the compatability of USB devices. In reality, *most* USB devices do not function with the PS2. And although it is true that USB storage devices cannot be used in the manner noted (For uploading homebrew apps), they can be used in GT4 for storage of pictures taken in game, and with some Gameshark or Action Replay type products for transfering game saves. In my experience working with people to get their PS2 connected to the internet on various forums, I have found that many people are supprised that most USB devices don't work with the PS2, or that they can't do something like this:
[USB WiFi Device]--USB Cable--[USB-Ethernet Adapter]--Ethernet Cable--[PS2]
I usually have to explain to them that the USB they know is from their use of Windows XP or an Apple, and their implementation of Plug and Play. The PS2 however does not include drivers for their USB devices, they only work if their game includes support for them.
I don't know how much, if any, of that can be used in the article, but what is included currently could use a revision. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HeavyD14 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 10 January 2006  (UTC)
:Pretty much *ANY* non-pc device acting as a usb host is going to have this problem. Its easy for devices for which there is a standard device class (mice,mass storage devices etc) but anything that doesn't is only going to work if its explicitly supported.
:Btw am i right in thinking that USB device support on the PS/2 is basically a function of the game itself not of the console?
:As for 
::[USB WiFi Device]--USB Cable--[USB-Ethernet Adapter]--Ethernet Cable--[PS2]
:that wouldn't be possible if it was a PC on the end either! USB (with the exception of the on the go variant) cannot be used for connecting two perheripherals directly together period. Plugwash 03:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  USB Compatability 

message: update this "PS2" redirects here. For the similarly-named PS/2 computer system and its derived uses (including the PS/2 keyboard and mouse connectors on most PCs), see IBM Personal System/2. 
Not anymore ps2 redirecs here, now a webpage shows giving 3 options, playstation 2, ps/2, and another option. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.124.129.251 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 13 January 2006  (UTC)
I was the person that added the disambig line. I don't believe that a separate disambig page would improve things at present.
If "PS2" was a disambig page, the "Personal System/2" would still take two steps to reach, "Playstation 2" would require 2 steps instead of 1, and we'd have another page to look after.
If there were three or more plausible disambig meanings, your suggestion would merit consideration. However, since "another option" wasn't specified, let's keep things simple until we outgrow the current setup. Fourohfour 13:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update request 

message: The article mentions homebrew development. I think it should also briefly describe professional development, since the PS2 is such a unique architecture. What tools and compilers to they use? Metrowerks? GCC? Something else? 130.233.173.8 14:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Development information 

message: Hi. 
I'm basically just wondering, since the Playstation 2 has a USB port, and you can get a lot of USB mice for the PC, is it possible to use a USB PC mouse when you're playing mouse-compatible games on your Playstation 2? Or do you need a mouse that has been specifically designed for the Playstation 2? Thanks. Doom jester 13:11, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ever consider just trying it? Plugwash 13:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried it with the Playstation 1 version of Final Doom, which supports the mouse for the Playstation 1. That didn't work. I don't have any PS2 games that support the mouse though. I was hoping to find out before I buy one- Half-Life, specifically. Doom jester 14:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I seem to remember watching a video on one of the first PS Underground disks for the PS2 that said you can use just about any USB mouse. If yours happens to be one of those cool ones with all sorts of buttons, I doubt they will all be functional.
However, to the best of my knowledge, there are verry few PS2 games that can take advantage of the moue. The only one I can think of right now is Silent Scope, one of the launch titles.HeavyD14 05:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I took a chance and bought Half-Life. It turns out my mouse works with it. If you're wondering, my mouse is a Logitech pilot mouse (corded, optical). So from this I guess we can say that at least some PC mice do work with the Playstation 2! I thought optical ones wouldn't, being fairly modern, but they sure do. It's a pity you can't use them with Playstation 1 games, though. Doom jester 13:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: why would the game care if its optical or not its just a usb human input device as far as software support goes. Plugwash 15:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  USB Mice 

message: It was stated that DVD-R and other type of "pirated" media actually damages the laser and lens...
In order to supply an accurated information regarding this, more details are requiered like generation of modchips, console versions, voltage levels. One cannot simply claim something just because one heard it from someone. Furthermore people who install modchips usually add some circuitery(resistors) to prevent laser burns, it is then debatable the fact that in modern consoles, using modern modchips with additional resistors, there will be laser/lens burns/damages. C trillos 19:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD-R and other backup media 

message: How about adding a section concerning emulation of the PS2? --193.11.124.244 17:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emulation? 

message: At what point did the ps2 finally sell at a profit?  what hardware revision? ~~frank~~ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.141.128.47 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 18 March 2006  (UTC)
:Well Sony doesn't like giving exact numbers so we don't know exactly when. It was somewhere around a year or two or even three years ago. Jedi6-(need help?) 17:19, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The price wars and game bundles make it tricky to determine exactly, if ever. Some have suggested that the GameCube was perhaps the only console of this generation to make a small profit, but that was likely before they slashed the price and threw in games. GoldDragon 03:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profit 

message: Though that Grand Theft Auto San Andreas would have sold more than Vice City, although the Hot Coffee mod might have potentially cut into sales (but that would more likely be the PC version which could be hacked easier). Another alternative is just to list the Grand Theft Auto series in the slot, rather than a particular game, since GTA III was the best-seller in 2001 and runner up in 2002 and still keeps selling as part of the Double Pack.  GoldDragon 03:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No its definitly Vice City, though San Andreas is getting closer. Vice City is actually in the top 25 best selling games of all time. Jedi6-(need help?) 03:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As an aside, Vice City (PS2) might have sold more than San Andreas (PS2) since Vice City was the first game under the Sony-Take2 exlusivity deal for the GTA series. At the time Vice City came out for PS2, there was uncertainty at whether there would be a PC version and the Xbox was out of the question. By San Andreas's release for PS2, everyone knew that the PC and Xbox would be getting their own version next year. GoldDragon 17:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, neither of them are the best-selling PS2 game. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec is. Refer to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_game
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (14.36 million)
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (13.70 million)
Both of these figures are backed up with sources. I'm going to fix this mistake. Phediuk 05:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These figures make sense, GT3 sold like hotcakes.  Dionyseus 16:10, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The top game was Vice City. You can't use Wikipedia as a source for itself. Jedi6-(need help?) 01:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a look at the supposed source for the 14.36 million figure for Gran Turismo 3, and it does not mention 14.36 million, instead it mentions 11 million.  I have thus edited it to the proper figure of 11 million.  GTA: Vice City is apparently the top selling game for PS2.  Dionyseus 06:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: For your info, 50 Cent: Bulletproof is horrible. It is the most bottom-of-the-barrel shooter ever concieved. Sure, it may have the most incredibly soundtrack ever forged, but it sucks, and to prove my point go read the March GameInformer issue and look at the review score. In my opinion, even Daikatana is better.--TraceTheKriken--71.145.162.231 18:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best-selling game 

message: Don't keep putting it in, it is unsourced.  Saying that "according to the NPD group" does not make it a source, you need a valid citation.  Anyone can say "according to Sony," "according to Microsoft," "according to God," it doesn't confirm nothing if you don't provide a source we can read.  Dionyseus 21:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To the anonymous person putting the "Xbox outsold PS2 5 months in 2004" 

message: Actually, I'm not 100% sure if the name was even official by Sony/SCE
Most of the gaming community refers the slim PS2 as "PStwo" in relation to the first Playstation slim "PSone" console. Anyone wanna consider this(PStwo) to main PS2 article? I know someone has added "PStwo" on Wiki as a redirect to this article. Maybe just a brief mention about it? At least it's an easier way of mentioning the slimmer models by typing out "PStwo" than "slim PS2" 
HighEnergyProtons 14:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mentioning "PStwo"? 

message: In the infobox for this article, it declares that the PS2 sold 103.6 million units as of March, 2006. The May 10 Wall Street Journal has an article stating that the PlayStation 2 sold 101 million units. Could somebody please verify which of these numbers is correct? --RedZion-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.145.199.45 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 11 May 2006  (UTC)
::The 103.6 million figure is straight from the E3 2006 Sony conference.  Dionyseus 01:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Units shipped/sold 

message: When the PS2 was first advertised, it was slimmer than the original PS2, and was vertical. Later on, it was twice as thick as advertised, and you needed to buy the vertical stand seperately. Even later, they came out with the slim PS2. I think this info should be included in the article. 71.250.35.123 19:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slimline and Initial look 

message: :This article, PlayStation 9, is undergoing AFD at this time, 14:13, 25 May 2006 
It should probably be merged into the PS2 article.
This article is to be merged with and redirected to Playstation 2 as a result of an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. -Splashtalk 21:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD of PlayStation 9 

message: PCMCIA support was in japanese consoles SCPH-10000 SCPH-15000, SCPH-18000. You give out the arbitrary number "v0" which doesn't make sense because:
> No one refers to the first three Japanese launch editions as v0, the SCPH codes are used.
> It implies there was only one "japanese launch" hardware design (there were three and they are all very different from one another because the 0day Mars2 chip needed to be blocked)
> So many of these consoles got out that sony marketted an external Hard Disk and PCMCIA -> DEV9 adapter to allow the many many people with these early consoles access to later addons. Your article as currently written makes it seem as though not many of these early models were released.
I'd edit myself but this seems to be an important article, so i'll leave it up to the frequent contributors to decide what to do. 71.224.246.205 03:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PCMCIA