Talk:MacPherson strut

message: "... compression link stabilized by a secondary link which provides a bottom mounting point for the hub or axle of the wheel. This lower arm system provides both lateral and longitudinal location of the wheel. "
Provides location? secondary link .. provides a bottom mounting point ... 
I expect this is crystal clear if you already know it. The diagram is v. clear, but a few labels would make it much more intelligable.
Having said, that, I did manage to work out what it is the garage was talking about. Thanks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.207.80 (talk) 15:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still mystified.  Part of the problem is that as one of the many colorblind wikipedia readers, I can't distinguish blue from purple or yellow from gren and have no idea what some of the parts of the picture are referring to.  And it is still not clear what the "strut" is - how it different from a shock absorber?  What were previous non-MacPherson struts like?  etc. Help.... --70.91.87.57 (talk) 03:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs an English Translation :-) 

message: In a history of cars that I read, a distinction was made between the MacPherson system proper and the mere struts that in fact preceded it in race cars. This was the anti-roll bar, which saved money by also serving as the trailing link. This can be imagined as a relatively thin rod that goes forward from the lower pivot, turns 90 degrees inward and immediately goes through a hole in the frame, across the car to the other side and through a hole in the other side of the frame and turns rearward to the pivot on the other wheel. When both wheels rise or fall, this does not affect their movement. But when one wheel rises or falls, the bar resists its movement. 
I think that the use of the term on this page has changed to merely be any old strut, and not Mr. MacPherson's particular design feature, which I have noted above. The picture placed on this page does not show this detail, nor does the description. 
Also, in the book it said that an Italian firm (probably Fiat) had the idea before MacPherson, but did not prosecute. Sobolewski 23:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: That good old Anti-Roll Bar

message: I think the system shown on the AWD car is really a Chapman strut since it's on the rear, non-steering wheels of that car, but this distinction, for the purposes of this article, is probably just an unnecessary technicality. kevinthenerd (talk) 10:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry Kevin, please hand in your nerd badge. The rack is not visible, but the tie rod is not visibly grounded at the chassis either. Cheers Greg Locock (talk) 11:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Example picture

message: I do not get the difference between the 2 pictures int the Chapman strut and mac pherson. It seems that the same picture has been used with 2 different legends ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.52.10 (talk) 02:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 legends for the same picture 

message: All the Citroen models with hydropneumatic suspension have front macpherson struts with no spring as the springing medium is the spheres on top of the strut.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.155.195 (talk) 02:18, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other examples of macpherson struts that don't feature a spring 

message: The picture should be reworked to avoid colour as the sole means of conveying information. This presents a problem to colourblind users. LeadSongDog come howl! 13:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture legend 

message: Photo here, but I've found little other information as yet.
http://www.antiqbrocdelatour.com/Les-collections/voitures-anciennes-doc/2e-dessins-anciens/Cottin%20et%20Desgouttes%20sans%20secousse%20suspention%20speciale%20a%20roues%20independantes%20de%201926.jpg
Andy Dingley (talk) 21:00, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, good stuff, so it uses coil overs, or at least coil springs and a sliding pillar, and a leaf spring as a lower arm. That does not, in my opinion, match the description in the article. On the other hand the shock is articulated at the knuckle, which defeats the main feature of a modern MacP. The rack is presumably a long way back in the car, with tie rods running mostly fore-aft. Even so bump steer would have been horrific. Greglocock (talk) 00:08, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cottin-Desgouttes