Talk:Sámi peoples/Archive 1

message: Why not a separate article for Northern Indigenous peoples? -- Zoe
:Good plan.  Not today, though!  GrahamN 21:12 Aug 29, 2002 (PDT)
::Are the Ainu not sufficiently northern to make the list? --Brion
:::Not sure.  I got the term Northern Indigenous Peoples (best not to turn it into an acronym, I just discovered!), and the list of tribes, from [this article] from [Survival International], a respected and long established authroity on the subject of indigenous tribal peoples.  GrahamN 21:34 Aug 29, 2002 (PDT)
::::Ah, I see; the term seems to be Russia-specific. The last Ainu in Sakhalin were evicted to Japan after World War II, so there presumably aren't any left in Russian territory. --Brion
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80.141.119.26 removed the link to Siberia, saying "There are no Saami in Siberia, but on the Kola peninsula in northern Russia".  However, two separate sources cited in the article state that the Saami ARE indigenous to Siberia (http://www.buryatmongol.com/sibnative.html and http://survival-international.org/tc%20siberia.htm).  I will add Siberia back in pending an explanation from 80.141.119.26.  GrahamN 23:11 24 May 2003 (UTC)
:There is no way how Lapps could be indigenous to Siberia. The easternmost place where the Lapps live is Kola Peninsula. However Siberia starts behind the Ural Mountains more than thousand kilometers to east from the easternmost historic Lappish areas. Lapps may or may not be originally from Siberia, but that is a different question not related to this one. The oldest origins of Lapps is a controversial question. Lapps have lived in their historic areas in Fennoscandia for thousands of years and therefore being indigenous there (and not Siberia), no matter where their far ancestors arrived from after (or during) the ice age  Tuohirulla 21:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard it. This is pure folk etymology. I think this should be deleted from the entry unless someone has a reference for it. Evertype 15:59, 2004 Apr 22 (UTC)
This sound very far fetched. Tourists visiting the Sami area are often more interested in trying to make connections to far-away peoples in Asia and North America (or Bolivia...as some told me..), than actually study the unique culture at hand. So forget about vedic traditions, unless you have solid proof.
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There seems to be an arithmetical conflict regarding the Saami population of Norway, between the Norway page and the Saami one.  Saami says: The population of about 85,000 ... Roughly half the Saami population lives in Norway (so that would be 40000 ish). But Norway says ...Saami people (about 6000 people. Source: Samemanntallet)..  I don't know if this due to the difference between those who are ethnically Saami and those who speak Saami, or some "registered Saami" issue, or if it's just a matter of the wording needing tightening-up somewhere.  Still, the two pages (as they read right now) seem to directly contradict one another. -- Finlay McWalter 17:52, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Northern Indigenous peoples

message: The Organization section can be confusing to read.  It's not clear on who can vote where if certain operational criteria are met.  Splitting along state lines may improve it.  A-giau 18:50, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sami: governmental definitions 

message: It'd be nice to have some information on official status or official recognition (perhaps described along state lines), and a bit of details about the implications.  Info on related social movements would be appreciated, as well.  A-giau 19:03, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official status 

message: :* s/he simply considers her/himself to be Sami (valid in Finland only)
I removed the text above, because as far as I know, it is not true. I am Finnish and i can not have legal sami status by just deciding to be sami. If i want to turn into sami i dont have to look like sami, own reindeers or wear sami clothes but i have to prove that i have sami ancestors in past. (preceding unsigned comment by 70.24.237.16) --Hottentot
:In Finland you have to prove your sami ancestors from citizen records made by churches for centuries. If this record says about an ancient person that s/he was a "fishing lapp" or "reindeer lapp" or other kind of "lapp" then s/he is considered a saami ancestor. Tuohirulla 17:36, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organisation