Talk:Super Smash Bros./Archive 10

message: Page is getting a little unwieldy and not about to get any smaller, so I've archived. I certainly don't want to chop off any active discussions -- however, if all you're posting here to do is to try and confirm a picture you found on the Internet, take it elsewhere. If it's an obvious fake, it's going to be deleted. If you're posting speculation about removed characters, it's going to be deleted. There is a lot of legitimate information out there and a lot of fake stuff; please try to be discerning when bringing it up for article inclusion consideration. Thank you. Coreycubed (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding new content 

message: Final Character List:
#Mario
#Donkey Kong
#Link
#Samus
#Kirby
#Fox
#Pikachu
#Marth
#Mr. Game & Watch
#Luigi
#Diddy Kong
#Zelda
#Pit
#Meta Knight
#Falco
#Pokémon Trainer
#Ike
#Snake
#Peach
#Yoshi
#Ganondorf
#Ice Climbers
#Dedede
#Wolf
#Lucario
#Ness
#Sonic
#Bowser
#Wario
#Toon Link
#R.O.B.
#Captain Olimar
#Captain Falcon
#Jigglypuff
#Lucas
*New characters in bold, returning characters not in bold
*Characters not returning from melee: Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, Pichu, Roy, Young Link
Alexander Vince (talk) 05:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: One could argue that Cell Shaded Link is basically Young Link with a different name and animation. Duhman0009 (talk) 06:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: true - Alexander Vince (talk) 06:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: None of the characters require in-game time, as far as I'm able to tell. It seems like (going by the leaks here) they're just unlocked when you find them in SSE or do the event with them in it... --Ryajinor (talk) 07:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: It is possible that this is NOT the FINAL character list and more likely just a "mid-game" roster. So it doesn't deconfirm anyone yet. --Genosoa (talk) 10:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

text: For the most part, I believe most of our information has been coming from a single person hosting a feed of him playing through the game.  The speculation that there are only 35 characters comes from the fact that there is only room for 36 character icon on a SSE save slot.  However, I do believe the Dojo said at one point that "most characters are unlocked via the SSE," leaving to reason that there are some who are unlocked other ways.  Perhaps even some that have no position in the SSE.  As said, in Melee, there were characters who it took hours of play to unlock, so it's doubtful that a few people playing with no clue on how to unlock everyone will do so reliably in so short amount of time.  It does seem, however, that SSBB is making it much less difficult to unlock characters, relying primarily on their new story mode.  In any event, there is no confirmation that this slot-theory means that there are only 35 or 36 characters. 69.65.69.116 (talk) 08:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The 35 character list was leaked a long time before Brawl was released (which lists the above characters and Star Wolf to make up 35, Star Wolf is still to be verified- but you can see that the remaining person would have to fit in the Star Fox column to shift everyone into column-place). There's no doubt in most people's mind that this 35 character list is correct, the guy who leaked it hasn't been wrong about anything up to now! --86.136.49.103 (talk) 10:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This roster looks incomplete. For example why is Bowser next to Snake and Sonic, he should be under Luigi. "Toon Link" should be under the Zelda characters not in the middle. This roster seems as if something is missing to it... but who?AlexanderLD (talk) 12:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: There is also a character name タブー.  I don't know what game he/she/it originated from, but the character appears to be the final boss. (Parrothead1983) 07:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: タブー written in Roman characters is "Tabuu" or "Taboo" and this character's significance has yet to be determined. Also, that image is not the full roster, nominating for speedy delete. Coreycubed (talk) 13:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 23:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters

message: Does anyone else feel that this page should be unlocked now? Seeing as the game is out, there will be now more rumours added to the article. - Addit (talk) 21:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it should be unlocked so people can add the characters above - Tetria (talk) 21:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree; since the game is not yet out in North America, the page is still extremely prone to vandalism by hopeful or overeager fans.  I say leave the block on for at least a few more days, if not a week or two!  An administrator can add those characters to the page. oobugtalk/contrib 21:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: comment striken, user is indefblocked. -- lucasbfr talk 21:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope you meant to say "no more rumours" but unfortunately that's what most people are adding. It's not hurting anything to leave it locked and doing a lot of good by stopping the ignorant drive-by vandalism. Coreycubed (talk) 21:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely the evidense doesn't have to be from North America. The information would still be valid from Japan. --86.12.232.113 (talk) 22:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: True information is valid from Japan; we're worried about the rumors that are still floating around despite the game's release. oobugtalk/contrib 22:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And unfortunately, with so little time behind us since release day, we can only use the most obvious of information (getting a complete roster has been hard enough!). In a week or so, the rumors will have been dispelled and the verifiable game content will be apparent. Right now, there's just been so little disseminated, or at least not enough time to compile verifiable game content. Coreycubed (talk) 22:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: (outdent). Yes, the game game only launched 9 hours ago in Japan. Useight (talk) 00:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unprotected, the protection is not here to keep a "right version" but to prevent edit warring. I'll keep an eye on the article and won't hesitate to block users or reprotect as necessary. -- lucasbfr talk 13:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if a full unprotect is the best, it will most likely be flooded with edits from people who either didn't check properly to see it a character was already there or didn't read the talk page and add rumours without check to make sure it is real. But if your keeping an eye on the page then I guess you'll semi it or do whatever you deem necessary. The Light6 (talk) 14:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeaaaaah, I think at least a semi-protect should stick around. Arrowned (talk) 20:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unlock?

message: Why are Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, Pichu, and Roy still marked with question marks?  We know the final roster thanks to the "You've unlocked all characters!" message, and they're not on it; why continue to hold on to the belief that they are?  Therefore, I propose that their status in Brawl be officially marked as .  (As for Young Link, I say we leave it as is until we get the Toon Link argument settled.) Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm assuming it's because there aren't any official sources for that screenshot yet. SuperLink9 (talk) 23:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I've fixed it, and I'm writing up a footnote for the Toon Link/Young Link debacle.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Here's a link to the image http://ranobe.com/up/src/up254175.jpg apparantly it's translated as "At last, every character has become usable! From this point onwards, it is the true battle!". I can't confirm or deny this translation, but I'm sure there's someone around here who can read Japanese. And as far as I'm aware, Jigglypuff and Toon Link are the only characters you don't get through SSE. SuperLink9 (talk) 00:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This image is shown after you unlock Star Wolf, which is done by completing All-Star mode, not the Subspace Emissary.  If the text does read as has been suggested, that would imply that all of the characters in the game have been unlocked, and therefore that the article has a complete list of characters. oobugtalk/contrib 00:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: We're not assuming anything until we get an official translation of that image, so this isn't an issue. Arrowned (talk) 01:25, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I may as well restate what at least two others have said. It's NOT Nintendo Power. Please change it. 72.8.122.227 (talk) 17:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "?" Characters

message: In the recent update for today on Smash Bros. Dojo it has been mentioned that from this point onwards they will be posting updates on the hidden characters and stages and other things that haven't been revealed. The only reason why I am posting this is to let anyone who reads it be aware of what is happening because it will help with sourcing on the hidden characters if anyone still has any doubts that towards the full roster and such. -71.59.237.110 (talk) 08:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Dojo Development

message: Doesn't it only confirm the ones that are in? maybe he got all of the ones from the Subspace Emissary, but not any of the ones from other modes. I personally think that those characters are cut, but since when is it official?Igglybuff63 (talk) 12:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was official when the guy with the leaked game got the "You've unlocked all characters" message after he got Wolf. Powerslave (talk|cont.) 13:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Jigglypuff, Toon Link and Wolf are the only characters that you unlock outside of the Subspace Emissary. The character selection screen is perfectly organised in columns (http://ranobe.com/up/src/up254176.jpg) and from the beginning of the game until all characters are unlocked, it's quite randomly jumbled, further evidence that the roster is full. Then there's this image (http://ranobe.com/up/src/up254175.jpg), which the player found after he unlocked Wolf in All Star Mode. It apparantly translates to "At last, every character has become usable! From this point onwards, it is the true battle!". Of course we cannot prove this until we can get someone who can read Japanese to have a look. SuperLink9 (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My sister can read Japanese, and she told me that it basically says "you've become able to use every characters! you can truly battle now!". She broke down part of it for me: "The 'mai' part means every and 'kyara' is short for characters." She said it could also mean "my characters," but probably not in this situation. Also, not to be totally picky, but is that image of Wolf in the roster the only evidence we have that Wolf is a confirmed character? Compare that image (http://ranobe.com/up/src/up254176.jpg) to an image of the roster taken earlier in the game (http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_191240.jpg), it looks to me like the cursor was cut from that image and pasted into the Wolf image. Notice how it has the same exact motion blur, and looks less well blended in on the Wolf image. I mean, there may be other evidence of Wolf being in the game, I don't know, but that picture looks fake to me. -IG-64 (talk) 16:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Igglybuff, I agree with you totally, but we had a rather long discussion about what to do with the in/out/unconfirmed icons, and decided to use X's unless they're confirmed to be in.  This decision can be changed, of course, but since the page is fully protected, I'm not convinced that it's worth an administrator's time to change all the X's to question marks.  IG-64, even though we can't technically use your sister as a citation, I'm very glad that you took the time to ask her!  I've thought that the rumored translation of the text was somewhat dubious, since I couldn't find any mention of the translation in my own searches.  I'm happy to have some confirmation.  Also, I have seen YouTube videos of Wolf in battle, and since the released game is its own source, we could technically use this footage as a citation. oobugtalk/contrib 16:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the page has been unlocked for a few hours now but before it was unprotected an admin was the one who changed question marks to crosses and ticks based off the talk page. However there is one that remains a question mark, Young Link because there was question if Toon Link and Young Link should be counted as the same character, I believe the currect idea is wait and see if Dojo adds Toon Link in veterans or newcomers. The Light6 (talk) 16:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: When was it confirmed that those characters are out?

message: Everyone knows this right? So why are some people putting him down as not a playable character?Onepiece226 (talk) 19:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They're still under the impression that the DOJO!! is the only source. I've updated the hidden note at the top of the Characters section to address this.Satoryu (talk) 19:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: There is a more reliable source: the game itself. In case you didn't know, the game has been out in Japan for a day now. The full roster has been revealed. That includes R.O.B. Denile is not just a river in Egypt.Satoryu (talk) 19:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are now tons of videos around the net showing all of the characters revealed in the past few days. If those aren't evidence enough then I don't know what is. If there are some who still don't believe it, I COULD just go ahead and get links to gameplay footage for every character off YouTube, because it's very easy... SuperLink9 (talk) 22:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Obviously, LyokoTitan101, you didn't catch the pun. Anyway, OP226 is 100% correct. The name is R.O.B.Satoryu (talk) 00:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: R.O.B Confirmed

message: In the article, this is said:
The Subspace Emissary features a new group of antagonists called the Subspace Army, who are led by the Ancient Minister. Some of these enemy characters appeared in previous Nintendo video games, such as Petey Piranha from the Mario series and a squadron of R.O.B.s based on classic Nintendo hardware.
A squadron of R.O.B.s? But isn't R.O.B. a confirmed playable character? Can somebody clear this up for me? Thanks! Epass (talk) 20:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Both.  There's an individual playable R.O.B., and then there's separate enemy squadrons of them. Arrowned (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  R.O.B. Friend or Foe? 

message: As a heads up for people who were unaware, Xenon54 re-requested full protection of Brawl due to the rampant vandalism we're currently getting; I've done the same for (series).  Since the reason for protection is different, I'm not certain we'll receive full prot; the articles may only be semi-protected instead.  Anything would help at this point though. Arrowned (talk) 22:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I semiprotected both after looking at their histories; if autoconfirmeds start coming in Super Scopes blazing I'll full-protect for the remainder of the time. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 23:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-protection 

message: The Japanese version of several Smash Bros. articles seem to show that the Japanese names for the Polygons, Wire Frames and Alloys are all the same. Should we make note of that if this is true? Immblueversion (talk) 23:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true for the Wire Frames and Alloys at least; I'm not sure on the Polygons.  I suppose making it a separate note would indeed save space rather than using three nihongo templates in a row. Arrowned (talk) 23:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Japanese name for Fighting Polygon Team the same for all the others? 

message: I feel that this article is a good article, and I have nominated it. Epass (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA