Talk:Close back unrounded vowel

message: I cannot play the soundfile ... it is not working.Bao Pu (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It should work.  Make sure you have the ability to listen to .ogg files on your computer.  — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 01:48, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound File 

message: A sound in Portuguese links here from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Portuguese_and_Galician but Portuguese is not mentioned and the section linked to is no longer there. I see in the article history there was a tussle over whether to include it. Whether or not there are currently a lot of broken links, this is not good enough.
82.2.125.203 (talk) 18:46, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portuguese yes or no? 

message: I wish these articles would give more recognisable examples of sounds like this. It surely doesn't help the average English reader to be told ɯː is found in Estonian, or Azeri, or Garifuna (whatever that is), since hardly anyone will be familiar with these languages. I've wondered for years what the Estonian vowel 'õ' sounds like, but all I find is linguists' jargon, or else lamentations from expats in Tallinn that they'll never manage to learn the sound, or gleeful comments by native Estonians that the sound is terribly difficult (it isn't) and that foreigners can never get their tongues round it.... Telling us this is a 'close, back, unrounded value' may be phonetically accurate, but is mumbo-jumbo to most readers, since hardly anyone knows what these descriptions are being compared with. It might help, for instance, to explain that this sound comes close to 'œu' in the French words 'cœur' or 'bœuf' - it isn't quite the same, but close enough, and these are words many English readers do know from names like 'Sacré Cœur' and 'bœuf bourguignon'.213.127.210.95 (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: is essentially an ordinary French/Spanish/Italian  (as in e.g. Spanish nunca) said with unrounded lips. French  sounds nothing like it, and you definitely should not use it as a substitute for Estonian 'õ' nor Turkish 'ı', as both of those languages also have a mid front rounded vowel that sounds practically the same as French . Mr KEBAB (talk) 15:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  More recognisable examples? 

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message: For the Azerbaijani entry, this article currently says that /ɯ/ would be closer to an [ɘ]. A note is provided (Mokari & Werner 2016, p. 514), but the link does not lead anywhere (since there is no reference). I searched for it based on the names & year and found the following PDF, which seems to be the source: . In fact, the document's contents on p. 514 are about this vowel, but there is no explicit mention of it being close to [ɘ], and I cannot find any other statement that would suggest so (at least not to an untrained reader). Since there seems to be some truth to it (also reflected in the article Azerbaijani language), I won't change it, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable can
# fix the reference
# provide an explanation for why the statement follows from the source, or provide a better source, or remove the source (if it doesn't support the claim)
# remove the statement (if it's wrong)
Thanks. --Bfx0 (talk) 13:42, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on Azerbaijani 

message: The example 刺 / cì [t͡sʰɯ˥˩]was not covered in https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%96%89%E5%BE%8C%E4%B8%8D%E5%9C%93%E5%94%87%E5%85%83%E9%9F%B3
In my understanding this should be [t͡sʰɹ̩˥˩]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Chinese_phonology#Syllabic_consonants Tianrenli92 (talk) 05:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it not used in Chinese Mandarin?