Talk:Gavelkind

message: Could somebody add a short definition of what Gavelkind actually is? Having read the article I have no clue what it is or how it works, other than that it is a "peculiar system of land tenure".--216.154.205.203 20:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. And a statement as to its contemporary relevance would not go amiss either. 82.10.108.49 (talk) 19:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

text: That may have been a joke, which is something humans use as a vehicle of obtaining humor. I attempted to fix the problem with the definition. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 04:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  definition 

message: The section "Gavelkind in Ireland" has a link which brings to another article that is a Stub. I don't think that's useful, if the page it's only a stub. Or, at least there should be a summary in the section ...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.19.68.4 (talk) 12:51, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: well be bold and expand the stub or put it up for AfD and merge te text in here Pickle 15:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ireland 

message: A direct quote from the SOED has been placed in the section on Wales, instead of Ireland where it belongs ("sept" does not seem to be a term applied to Wales). If anyone disagrees please change it and give a more precise source. Tsinfandel (talk) 14:48, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Wales to Ireland

message: How should the last point of Gavelkind in Kent be presented? 16:26, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Halfway guessing here, but from curtesy I get the impression that the land had originally been hers, and that perhaps her husband gained it by marrying her ... thus, she cannot be alienated from what was originally owned by her. I think that it applies to immovable property only, and that brings with it more bureaucratese: by some accounts, immovable property may include movable property that is inherently associated with immovable property, such as a cart and oxen associated with tilling the land, but would not include such movable things as the contents of a house (dishes, cookware, etc). Regards, Notuncurious (talk) 19:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC: How should the last point of Gavelkind in Kent be presented? 

message: 1. The article says that the survival of gavelkind in Kent 'is regarded as a concession by the Conqueror to the people of Kent', but nothing about why Kent was granted this exceptional concession. If nobody has the foggiest as to the reason, that should be stated.
2. What were the economic effects on agriculture in Kent (and elsewhere)? Usually equal division of land results over time in uneconomic holdings. Norvo (talk) 03:26, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: After the conquest of 1066, William the Conqueror was faced with many rebellions and insurrections. Legend has it that the people of Kent offered the Conqueror a compromise, either he could respect their ancient laws and customs, or go to war with them. He agreed on the former, so technically Kent was not actually conquered and Kent kept many of its ancient customs etc, including gavelkind. As a result of Gavelkind, Kent had smaller manors and farmsteads than other counties and did not have large estates owned by single landowners. Its semi autonomous status is known as  County palatine. Check out the article on the county motto  Invicta (meaning undefeated) which gives more detail on this.Wilfridselsey (talk) 13:56, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks for your speedy and helpful answer. Norvo (talk) 02:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A couple of questions 

message: The lede: The word may have originated from the Old Irish phrases Gabhaltas-cinne or Gavail-kinne, which meant "family settlement" (Modern Gaelic gabhail-cine). OK, makes sense.
Then, in the "Gavelkind in Ireland" section: The Normans called the Irish inheritance law gavelkind because of its apparent similarity to Jutish gavelkind inheritance in Kent.
Erm, if the Gaelic etymology is highly speculative and there's a competing Germanic one, the second sentence should be moved to the lede. If it's not the case, the second sentence makes no sense and should be removed. An Irish word borrowed by the Normans could only travel from Ireland to Kent, not the other way round. 37.47.192.51 (talk) 21:15, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-contradiction