Talk:Gnawa

message: This is a fine article!  I gave this a once-over to make some changes already suggested in the peer review above--mostly formatting stuff, but a bit of rewording for grammar and sentence clarity.  I've also removed a bit of wikilinking that struck me as excessive--"rite," "ritual," and "music" for example, are all linked a number of times, while those articles won't really help anyone reading this one.  Some questions I can't answer, though:
*Gnawas are considered to be experts in the treatment of scorpion stings and psychic disorders.  By who?  Reputable scientists or local villagers?  The passive voice ducks this issue, which is pretty critical--the article as it is claims that these people really can cure psychological disorders.
*History paragraph 2, same problem:  It is believed that gnawas arrived in Morocco at this times.  Who believes this?  One historian, or is there a consensus? 
*Theo and Svest appear to have come to a consensus on the archived Peer Review that this article should be split into Gnawa people and Gnawa musicians.  I'd add my voice to this; the list of Gnawa musicians is probably excessive for an article on the ethnic group.  This may be a job for Svest--I'm not sure I'm quite qualified to divide all this up and reorganize it.  
Great stuff here!  I'll look forward to seeing it again at the end of the fortnight... --Dvyost 02:10, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now Africa COTF 

message: Apart from my personal experience, you are right that that part needs sourcing. I just checked now for some and found the following:
===Scorpions and healing=== 
*RandyWeston.info, 
* Verve through Polygram; Reviewed by Jenny Long, 
*Jazzreview.com, 
*Arkansas Tech University. -- 
===Arrival===
Sources I relied on concernig the arrival of the Gnawa to Morocco (apart the history of Africa) are the following: 
* Worldmusiccentral.org,
* ibiblio.org. 500 years means the same thing as in the article. Indeed, there was no other major influx of Sub-Saharians to North Africa except that period in history.
-- Svest 03:20, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My main concern here would be that these sources don't have much scholarly heft--at least one of them has been taken from the liner notes of CD, for example.  I think, for now, it might be best to revise the healing claims to "Some Gnawa claim" or some such?  At least until we can find some scientific backing for these claims. Then we can revise this passive voice out and make things more specific.  --Dvyost 03:32, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. -- Svest 22:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I have just sent an email to Timothy Fuson  asking him about some academic references. I hope he's still connected to Berkeley Univ. -- Svest 03:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I corrected the origins given in the article as of Feb 2006, it was clearly a "myth" form and unsupported by historical scholarship re black populations in the Maghreb (some of which pre-date the slave trade, i.e. were indigenous) (Collounsbury 19:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Sources I relied on concernig the arrival of the Gnawa to Morocco (apart the history of Africa) are the following: 
* Worldmusiccentral.org,
* ibiblio.org. 500 years means the same thing as in the article. Indeed, there was no other major influx of Sub-Saharians to North Africa except that period in history.
-- Svest 03:20, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My main concern here would be that these sources don't have much scholarly heft--at least one of them has been taken from the liner notes of CD, for example.  I think, for now, it might be best to revise the healing claims to "Some Gnawa claim" or some such?  At least until we can find some scientific backing for these claims. Then we can revise this passive voice out and make things more specific.  --Dvyost 03:32, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. -- Svest 22:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I have just sent an email to Timothy Fuson  asking him about some academic references. I hope he's still connected to Berkeley Univ. -- Svest 03:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I corrected the origins given in the article as of Feb 2006, it was clearly a "myth" form and unsupported by historical scholarship re black populations in the Maghreb (some of which pre-date the slave trade, i.e. were indigenous) (Collounsbury 19:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Arrival

message: I have just splitted the article into two. The new article is called Gnawa music. This one deals with Gnawa as a people. More copy editing and categorization will be done shortly. -- Svest 22:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article split

message: May I inquire who rendered Gnawa / Gnaoua in Arabic for these articles. The spelling given does not match what I recall typical Maghrebine usage to be. In fact the spelling appears to be Egyptian. (Collounsbury 18:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic Spelling 

message: While I am afraid I do not have source material at hand, my understanding as to the etymology of Gnawa was from southern Berber dialects, meaning "black." (See aguinaw, Enc. Britanicca http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-55385) The Backformation from the Ghana Empire is not possible, a false etymology based on the Romanisation. (Collounsbury 19:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gnawa Origins & Etymology 

message: this page needs work.
opiumjones 23 (talk) 00:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This page needs work , it cannot be merged

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