Talk:Garfield/Archive 2

message: Discussion of canonical minutae is all fine and good (I used to indulge in all manner of that), but can we expand the discussion of the comic's place in the world at large? I've just added a bit about international licensing of the character, but there's far more to it than that. Also, before you can discuss "removing the speech balloons", for instance, you really have to discuss the context of why such a viewpoint would exist in the first place, etc. (refering to the backlash against the comic and why it has come into mainstream awareness) –Unint 05:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about when the Los Angeles Times dropped the strip last year? That news made the rounds quite a bit (though I'm not sure if it's just limited to the blogosphere). –Unint 03:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't heard about that, though being dropped from one newspaper when its syndicated by around 2570 newspapers and journals isn't exactly what I'd call a backlash. I'm not exactly clued in on Garfield, but so far when looking for some sources I haven't seen much that extends beyond the blogosphere. If you do have any information from reputable sources, that would be very helpful.--Kingston Jr. 03:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The real world 

message: Folks, lets quit quibbling over English spelling.  Garfield is an American publication, so it seems fitting that we'd use American English to discuss it, just as I'd feel it appopriate to use British English to discuss a UK subject matter.  --Rehcsif 04:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  The people changing it to British spelling are actually violating WP policy and they've been warned (repeatedly). --Samuel Webster 10:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: English battle

message: Yuck!  The first paragraph in the overview section is ghastly.  For some reason, the author feels the need to continue to detail the minutiae of when and how Odie was able to communicate in English.  This is a rambling digression from what should otherwise be a high-level introduction to the Garfield strip.  I recommend that this paragraph alone make this entry a candidate for a "bad quality flag" on the main page. --Gyllstromk 07:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
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thread_title: Major rewrite of first paragraph needed

message: Somewhere, it has to be mentioned that Garfield has changed, or is changing. Looking at the actual story arc that's been going on since the seventeenth, and especially at today, I think it's obvious (even without looking at the website's front page. I mean, Liz actually liking Jon? I can't be the only one to notice this. 67.10.175.242 06:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't read today's yet; I'm getting a broken image both at garfield.com and ucomics.com.  Still, the storyline's been going for over a month, actually.  It goes back to just after Garfield's birthday, when Jon got an e-mail reminder for Garfield's annual checkup.  (There was a one-week break, with gag-a-day strips, between the appointment and Jon's phone call to Ellen, craftily misleading readers into thinking there was no connection!)  And now, I've read today's strip.  As this is an ongoing storyline, we should be careful not to change aspects of the article too hastily.  A lot of things could change day-to-day, and it's too early to judge long-term impact.  That's a common pitfall among articles on comics.  We should have restraint.  Powers 13:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I dunno.  You can look as easily as I can.  I do know that was a Saturday strip, and come Monday it was back to gag-a-day or a new storyline.  Powers 23:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Sometimes it is. Last week it was. The five-week arc of 1986 included Sundays. 67.10.175.242 05:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Well it's obvious it's been going that way since Garfield's birthday or so, but it's impossible to say how much longer it will hold to that pattern.  Powers 19:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "new" Garfield 

message: Sorry i don't want to offend anybody but reading:
:One storyline, which lasted a week from October 23, 1989 (possibly to coincide with Halloween, although the 31st actually fell the following week), is unique in that it is not meant to be humorous. It depicts Garfield awakening in a future in which the house is abandoned and he no longer exists. This is revealed to have been a dream of some kind, and ends with this narration:
:“An imagination is a powerful tool. It can tint memories of the past, shade perceptions of the present, or paint a future so vivid that it can entice...or terrify, all depending on how we conduct ourselves today.” 
:Alternatively, some theorize that the end of this storyline actually implies that the rest of the series, the more conventional strips, are all fantasies Garfield is playing out in his head to delude himself from realizing the dark turn his life has taken, as he slowly starves to death in an abandoned house. This is arguably supported by the text, as right before Jon and Odie reappear, the narration reads:
:“After years of taking life for granted, Garfield is shaken by a horrifying vision of the inevitable process called ‘time.’ He has only one weapon...denial...” 
:This emphasis on “denial,” with the word given its own box in the panel it appears in, and being followed immediately by the earlier text on the power of the imagination, could support the horrifying theory. However, it could also be that denial is what Garfield needed to snap himself out of this dark vision. This is also more likely considering the only way Garfield could have gotten into “a world where he no longer exists” is if that world was a dream. Many, however, attribute the bleak world to the future Ebeneezer Scrooge witnessed in A Christmas Carol, where he beholds the dark and bleak image the world has become because of his negligence and lack of gratitude for other people’s efforts.
I think this is just a fake and should't be at wikipedia, either is a fake made by an anonymous comic-drawer, or it was just a fake or a Halloween myth, perhaps some of you will remember the famous urban legened about the ending of Doraemon, which was supposed that all was NObita's dream, and nothing existed, this was very extended fake and rumour that was dismissed by the own drawer Fujio F Fujiko, before publishing things like this in wikipedia author should citate reliable sources or otherwise article should be retired.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.213.38.122 (talk • contribs) .
: You might want to actually check the Garfield archives for the week in question.  If you had you would have found this: .  Powers 18:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is, indeed, true, as the above mentioned archives show.  I think the question here, then, is if Davis ever adressed this arc in an interview or anything, and what it means and has to do with current Garfield stories.--70.123.218.252 21:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are you serious ? 

message: Just because Neil Gaiman noted the practice, that doesn't mean it has become an "internet trend". Moreso, the article talks about this so-called trend originating from a single thread on an internet discussion board.Scott 110 05:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be noted in the article in some way that there is a new interesting aspect of the comic when your remove garfield's lines. Even if it doesnt warrent a section it should have a sentence somwhere and a link or 2 or 3. Patcat88 08:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think that that violates WP:OR... Thunderbunny 03:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

text: That was rather harsh - it's gained internet acceptance, it is an internet phenomenon, it's got credible sources.  There's no reason to remove the section except that you don't agree with it.  I'm putting it back.Rebochan 05:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What credible sources?  We've been waiting for some for months.  Powers T 19:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Please avoid personal attacks.  Powers T 15:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I think it is important because, Jesus man, we've been laughing at a delusional schizophrenic man and his imaginary conversations with his cat and his dog all this years. I wonder if Jon Arbuckle will commit suicide in the very last Garfield strip ever? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.57.13.97 (talk • contribs) .
i wouldn't say it's a trend, but it has been done by different groups -- there's the t&bb board, that weird site that they linked to early on that erased garfield's thoughts and mirrored the strips, and tailsteak -- and neil gaiman, a respected voice in comics, talks about it. it's at least worth a mention in the article. --dan 08:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It may be a trend, but its not encyclopaedic information and really adds nothing to the article. Let this trivial stuff live on in forums with people who have nothing better to do with their time, not here. 150.203.2.85 06:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm re-adding a small note about it.  Internet memes deserve to be mentioned. Esn 09:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed "Removing Garfield Thought Bubbles"

message: Hi folks.  I continue to maintain that we cannot use the paragraph about Jim Davis laughing at the thought that the famous Halloween storyline indicates that Garfield is delusional the rest of the time.  The only source for this assertion is http://www.boingboing.net/ , which is a blog, and Wikipedia:Reliable sources is very clear on using blogs as a source: "Personal websites, blogs, and other self-published or vanity publications should not be used as secondary sources."  I'm not sure how much more explicit the policy could be.  Powers T 13:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boingboing as a source 

message: Isn't there a color alternative to the picture of garfield thats in the infobox? Clamster5 15:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it considered fair use to simply colorize the one that's already there? Octan 20:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: InfoBox Picture

message: I have this book. Should it be in the books section somewhere? Amazon.com link --Crnk Mnky 19:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garfield... the Easter Bunny? 

message: I removed the following from the "criticism" section, because it seems to have little to do with the topic, and is merely a redundant declaration of Davis's merchandising persistence:
Despite the fact that US Acres was an unpopular comic strip, Davis continued to use it as part of his show Garfield & Friends.  Despite Garfield: The Movie being panned by many global audiences a sequel was released, Garfield: A Tail of Two Kitties.  Even though the second movie lacked success at the box office, Davis still pushed for the upcoming sequel Garfield The Third.
::What the heck is Garfield the Third? Ryan Holloway
Feel free to revise and/or re-insert the information somewhere appropriate. --Lenoxus 01:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed paragraph from "criticism" 

message: I just wanted to mention that in reference to Jon and Liz's shared kisses, they shared one back when the comic basically first began. Do not know if it is relevant or not, and I am not adding it myself because it seems anything I try to do gets undone anyway. So... yeah. CardDuelWars 05:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jon & Liz 

message: I rented a Garfield DVD and watched the Garfield Goes Hollywood special. In one scene the host of the Pet Search program said that Jon, Garfield and Odie live in Muncie, Indiana. Someone should add this.  --209.244.31.39 06:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A simple find of the page showed me it was already there, under the subsection "Garfield" of "Main characters". --Dlevenstein 22:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where Garfield Lives 

message: March 13, '07: Edited the seven books published only as Classics, adding the correct strip dates (referencing the books directly). 
69.141.234.101 03:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: One page of the book In Dog Years I'd Be Dead features a pitch sheet, either the original one Davis sent to the syndicate or one the syndicate sent to newspapers. In it, Liz is described as something like "Jon's vet. Later, his girlfriend. Then...who knows?" So apparently they were originally meant to eventually get together (though I doubt they expected to drag it out this long!) Would this point be worth including -- especially now that they're a couple and all? Octan 20:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jon and Liz... meant to be? 

message: Shall I just chuck out the trivia section altogether?Drahcir 20:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ga070413.gif

message: Considering an entire seperate page exists for List of Garfield characters, there seems to be no logic whatsoever for the inclusion of supporting characters on this page. Whereas the main characters can and should be included, having such a huge list of supporting characters simply clutters the page and makes it more bloated than it already is. I propose merging all the information related to the supporting characters into List of Garfield characters and remove it from this page. Regards,xC | ☎  10:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As theres been no response is almost 3 days, I'm starting the merge of supporting characters back into the other page.xC | ☎  11:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content? 

message: I have removed all but the first sentence in the first paragraph from Criticism, as it appears (almost exactly with a few word changes) earlier in the article (in Overview), and has nothing (to my knowledge at least, if this is simply ignorance on my part, then it should have been in the article) to do with the criticism . Here is the original paragraph(copied and pasted from edit page):
Despite the widespread popularity of the comic strip, Garfield has earned negative criticism over the years.  Like many comics, it is no longer written and drawn exclusively by its creator.  Jim Davis still writes and makes rough sketches for the strip and assistants complete the artwork and brushing.
Also, if the citation needed tag is actually warranted (which I feel it is not, or at least it is poorly placed), it should be placed in the sentence that it seems to be copied from (or was copied from it, with information added) in 'Overview'.  If any revision or reinsertion of this is needed, feel free to do so.  Oneoverzero 16:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  paragraph change in criticism 

message: In Garfield (film), Garfield himself mentions sometimes the phrase "cul-de-sac". What does it mean? 125.24.50.19 02:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cul-de-sac  ? 

message: Under "Short Storylines" it mentions Garfield kicking Odie into next week, and then realizing life is not the same without Odie. When did this happen? Can someone give me the date so I can check the Garfield Vault? --Alice2 15:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kicked Odie into next week? 

message: I noticed the absence of the Garfield Treasuries in the lists of books. When the collections were in the b/w, the sundays were duplicated in color in the Treasuries every few years. Should these books be added to the page?
70.56.71.93 16:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books: Treasuries? 

message: In addition to the compilations and the Treasuries, perhaps there should be some mention of the Fat Cat 3-Pack books. Here's a start:
Each Fat Cat volume contains the contents of three successive compilations stacked back to back. The first volume, containing black-and-white strips from compilations 1-3, was published in 1993. Fat Cats were published semiannually up to Vol. 11 (compilations 31-33) in 1999. Since then, the publication schedule has slowed: Vol. 12 (compilations 34-36) was published in 2001, followed by Vol. 13 (compilations 37-39) in 2006.
Here's a  link to search results of in-print Fat Cat books at Random House's web site.
The first two Fat Cat volumes have been reissued in larger, colorized versions, starting with Vol. 1 in 2003 and Vol. 2 in 2005. A colorized Vol. 3 is scheduled for publication in September 2007. Fat Cat Vol. 13 (2006) uses the larger, full-color format of the reissued volumes.
DrewDC 03:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fat Cat books 

message: Where where we explicity told that Odie is a beagle? I've read Garfied for about 2 decades and I remember one strip in which Garfied stated that Odie is part beagle part brick, as we can rather safely assume that bricks can't mate dogs, this is an invalid statement, right? Right... In another strip, I don't remember weather it was an earlier or a later strip, Jon's father suggests that Odie is, and I quote, "stupid"... While not necessarily wrong, it doesn't really tell us Odie's race now, does it? It doesn't... Today, 260807, Garfield once again tried to identify Odie... He arrived on the conclusion that Odie was a "purebred clown". So, what race is Odie really? 81.224.28.54 15:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning Odies. 

message: Someone keeps adding "Jon does Ba-limp in almost every cartoon" to this page. This is getting old and on my nerves. What is Ba-limp? That's stupid. Ryan Holloway 17:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Who's Valette?
64.163.222.115 08:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question