Talk:Michael Ratner

message: An IP user added this; I pulled it because it reads like an advertising blurb. I assume its factually correct, so I'm putting it here so that anyone who wishes to can reinsert the facts, without the promotional angle.
Michael Ratner is also the co-host of the groundbreaking radio program [Law and Disorder].
Hosts:
--Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights
--Heidi Boghosian, executive director of the National Lawyers Guild
--Michael Steven Smith, New York City attorney and author.
--Dalia Hashad, Arab,
Four of the top radical lawyers and activists have provided Pacifica listeners with in- depth content on the fight for civil liberties, civil rights and human rights for nearly two years. Bringing individuals from the front lines to our show, we give listeners an inside look at the human issues behind the changing laws and practices that are strangling democracy.
--RobthTalk 23:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: despite this seciton having been removed and its removal confirmed by wikipedia it was placed back. It has again been removed Route42 (talk) 03:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I left you a note on your talk page, but to repeat, Wikipedia is not the place for this sort of thing. Please see Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Biographies of living people. We cannot accept submissions that involve criticism of living people's financial dealings that are not unimpeachably referenced to reliable sources. Your investigation would need to be published in such a source before we could repeat those claims here. Thank you for understanding. Jkelly 18:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: There is nothing at that URL that mentions Ratner. Please provide a reliable source to reference exactly what you want to add to the article, not a brand new synthesis of various sources to argue for a specific conclusion. Jkelly 20:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: you obviously haven't read it :
Contribution/Donation Public Disclosure Report
it's showing Michael giving campaign contributions to local, Brooklyn politicians - where he does not live - but where his brother is involved in highly controversial real estate deals -that include eminent domain abuse - The blog referenced is a reporter Norman Oder, who has uncovered these links.
http://therealestate.observer.com/2007/02/qa-norman-the-mad-overkiller-oder.html
So who exactly, are you and why are you applying this standard to Michael Ratner? Because supporters of him are complaining? That's objectivity? I can see why wikipedia is considered such a joke with people you claim to be open and have objective standards, but that's clearly not the case. And that's not a 'personal insult' but verifiable, just like the information above. Again can you please provide some disclosure into your interest about this?
I will provide mine - I think Michael Ratner is a hypocrite. I have come to that conclusion by analyzing his actions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mywikieditor2007 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: We apply these standards to every biography of living persons on Wikipedia. Wikipedia really isn't the place to publish what you've uncovered by doing database searches and reading blogs. This is an encyclopedia, and we have high standards for verifiability even when it doesn't come to articles about living people. Jkelly 20:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Your approach to Wikipedia as a blog really cuts to the heart of the problem you're having here. You can look at Wikipedia:Five pillars to see what Wikipedia actually is all about. You posted links above to a website that doesn't have the word "Ratner" in its text, a broken database search, and a blog that contains the word "Ratner" once, in explaining who a person named Jim Stuckey is. I'm sorry that you're frustrated, but we really cannot accept these kinds of contributions in any article, let alone one about a living person. Jkelly 21:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Please sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). Look, are you interested in finding out how Wikipedia works, learning about how to contribute and what is and is not appropriate, or are you attempting to convince me that what you want to do is okay? If it is the latter, we're wasting our time. Even if I decided that everything you were saying was true, I couldn't add it to the article either -- it violates our content policies. Jkelly 21:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is not a list of campaign contributions. You have failed to present any external evidence of a "controversy" relating to Mr. Ratner's campaign contributions, instead creating your own personal synthesis of campaign finance records and a newspaper article which doesn't even mention Michael Ratner. Your actions constitute inserting unacceptable original research into the biography of a living person, and will not be countenanced. Should you persist, you may be blocked. Simple as that. FCYTravis 22:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The link you gave goes to a home page for a weekly newspaper. I can't find any article headline referencing Ratner anywhere on that page, and I'm not going to read every single article to find your alleged source. The blog you've linked to simply interviews this reporter, and nowhere mentions Mr. Ratner's name. Similarly, your campaign finance link simply confirms that Mr. Ratner has made a political donation. Your assemblage of these three completely-unrelated facts into an attack on Mr. Ratner is unsourced, unsupportable and not fit for Wikipedia. Either provide a reliable source which makes the assertions you're making, or stop making them. Simple as that. FCYTravis 04:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Right, you've just proven my point. Your only source is a personally-published blog (not a blog officially published, backed and verified by any reputable media outlet) - and thus nothing there belongs in the article. End of story. FCYTravis 17:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: On a power trip? No, I'm quite simply enforcing compliance with Wikipedia's long-standing and very clear biographies of living persons policy. If you disagree with the policy, you are free to express your desire that it be changed on the policy's talk page. As to what prompted these changes, a report was made on the biographies of living persons noticeboard. FCYTravis 21:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: The controversy section periodically inserted into this article is currently under discussion at the biographies of living persons noticeboard. Please weigh in with your civilly expressed opinions on this matter there. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
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