Talk:Ku-ring-gai Chase National Park

message: biased and full of extraeneous info to do with parking and toilet facilities.  Wants substantial re-write to make it encyclopaedic.  raining_girl 21:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: Does anyone know the meaning of "Ku-ring-gai"? I'm assuming it has meaning in an Aboriginal language. Trcunning 18:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I'm aware, Ku-ring-gai is the name of the aboriginal tribe that inhabited the area before european settlement. --Ozhiker 19:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of name? 

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message: Referring to the new additions and reverts of 20 July 2020. here I suggest there is some good in it that we should use, but it seemed easier to just revert and start again. , thank you for your suggestions, and based on the below comments, perhaps you can provided a revised new addition to the article and others (me?) can modify if required. Also pinging 
Below I've expanded on a few comments from my edit summaries with suggested ways forward. It's the wikipedia way to bat things back and forward to a new refined consensus version. I refer to the "Existing" as pre-Henni's edit, and the new proposed word's as "Henni's".
Comments and some suggestions:
* I would agree the existing article and its lead doesn't cover indigenous history sufficiently - we can expand the coverage here.  With the existing lead only having 2 sentences on the whole history (or 3 if you include the sentence on the name), a new contribution in the lead would not need more than 1 or 2 concise summary sentences about indigenous history with ample room for detailed info in the main body (as is the wikipedia way). 
* This is an article about the Park. It is not about the term "Ku-ring-gai" and the first two paragraphs of the lead should not be a discussion of different views of the term. It would be OK perhaps to have 1 sentence in the main body on the different views of the Kuringgai term (with a link to the Kuringgai article), but this issue should not form the opening 2 or 3 paragraphs of the lead before any other discussion of the topic as it did with Henni's proposal. 
* Some sources might argue that the name "Ku-ring-gai" is a poorly derived, but the point of this article is not to dive into to an alternative view of the veracity of the term. "Ku-ring-gai" is indeed the name of the park, and all sources suggest that it was at least intended to refer to an indigenous group and/or groups. The article on the term itself, Kuringgai, would be a better place for that point and perhaps we follow the that article's description of the term:
::Kuringgai (also spelled Ku-ring-gai, Kuring-gai, Guringai, Kuriggai) (IPA: [kuriŋɡai],[1]) is an ethnonym referring to (a) an hypothesis regarding an aggregation of Indigenous Australian peoples occupying the territory between the southern borders of the Gamilaraay and the area around Sydney (b) perhaps an historical people with its own distinctive language, located in part of that territory, or (c) people of Aboriginal origin who identify themselves as descending from the original peoples denoted by (a) or (b) and who call themselves Guringai.
* There's a few style issues in henni's proposal, but that's fine...we can fix these. For example, the encyclopedia should present information, but it shouldn't give instructions or suggestions such as "...it is important to acknowledge...". Ie, "it is important" is an opinion and therefore not neutral. 
* I suggest these are good things to keep in mind: WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:ADVOCACY.
* For consideration: why is the Aboriginal Heritage Office a better source on the name of the park than the NPWS? 
Let's see what we can all do. :) --Merbabu (talk) 00:20, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Indigenous history and "what's in a name"