Talk:Alberto Santos-Dumont

message: In this section it is first stated that after the outbreak of war in 1914 .... he burned his papers and moved back to Brazil. It also states that in 1918 he build a new house in Brazil. However later on this section says "In 1928 Santos-Dumont left France to go back to his country of birth."
There seems to be a conflict between these two paragraphs within the same section. I have no idea which is right, so I won't change anything. Tøpholm (talk) 00:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in "Later Years" section 

message: I've removed the following addition to the article:
:CURIOSITIES
:Many consider Orville and Wilbur Wright's parents aviation. What few know is that according to the words of the brothers, only five people attended the your flight (no manifested today) and there is evidence of your flight, according to the brothers. A strange curiosity is that Wilbur called the President of the French aero club, asking for details of the plane 14-bis of Santos-Dumont, in 1908, two years after the flight of the 14-Bis. If the brothers had made a flight because they wanted details of the plane Dumont?
:Source: Great-nephew of Santos-Dumont: Antônio Dumont; Brazilian Museum of Inventors; The book "Seis tombos e um pulinho. As aventuras de Santos-Dumont até inventar o 14-bis", VILLARES, Marcos
I'm not entirely sure what the point of this section was, but at the very least the English needs cleaning up. --grummerx (talk) 21:28, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curiosities 

message: The following paragraph keeps being added. It has nothing to do with Santos Dumont, it's all about the Wright brothers, and doesn't belong here.
With less fanfare, there was an assisted take off, 10 months earlier, between 26 September and 5 October 1905, when American aviators Orville and Wilbur Wright had completed a series of six dramatic "long flights" ranging from 17 to 38 minutes and 11 to 24 miles (39 km) around the three-quarter mile course over Huffman Prairie, near Dayton, Ohio. Wilbur made the last and longest flight, 24.5 miles (39.4 km) in 38 minutes and 3 seconds, ending with a safe landing when the fuel ran out. The flight was seen by a number of people, including several invited friends, their father Bishop Milton Wright, and neighboring farmers."Wright Brothers Scrapbooks, p. 12." Dayton Metro Library. Retrieved: 9 January 2010.
217.44.141.1 (talk) 13:08, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears that the reason for the statement was to counter many suppositions as to the rival claim of the Wrights. Leave it in place unless you have a consensus for change. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant Paragraph 

message: If his father was French the soon was too. Since the father was French when he went to Brazil and that it is not possible to loose a French nationality (well, not in theses conditions), the most probable is that the father was French or maybe French-Brazilian, and so was the soon. Most likely Santos Dumont had a dual nationality, that would explain a lot of the story. v_atekor (talk) 07:46, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: [removed my remark again. Nerves. Sorry.].Psycho Chicken (talk) 05:47, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: I think that Santos-Dumont should probably be described as "Franco-Brazilian". For one thing he came to France with his family at age 17 and lived there the rest of his life (except that last year back in Brazil). For another his father was French. And FWIW it's almost certainly true that if he'd stayed in Brazil he wouldn't have been able to achieve the things he did (no Antionette engines and many other things). I don't know what his citizenship status was though. But I think most any other person in this situation would be hyphenated. I mean, Regina Spektor for instance is described as simply "American" not even "Russian-American", granted she left Russia at age nine rather than 17, but still.
So I made the change. My guess is that it'll be reverted and probably for reasons of Brazilian chauvanism, and its not of earthshaking import so I'm not gonna fight over that, but I'm probably right. Herostratus (talk) 15:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: you are fully right, not only as described but legally, because he had his father French and then had the French nationality too, even if Brazil do not recognize dual-nationalities (That's the key of the problem... opting for the Brazilian pov only is a pov. The article should present the problem, I think... ) v_atekor (talk) 20:50, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Alberto's father was born in Brazil, although educated in France. Alberto considered himself Brazilian. He actually spent a substantial part of his later life, including 1915-22, in Brazil. I don't think Franco-Brazilian will wash.TheLongTone (talk) 14:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Technically, it would have been "Brazilian-French", if he had French nationality, as he was born in Brazil and later became French. If you're born in Brazil and later get American nationality you're an Brazilian-American, not an American-Brazilian, which would be the other way around. Also, in English it seems that the same form of gentilic is used for both the "adjective" (first) and the "main" (second) components, rather than these reduced forms or whatever they're called.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.68.109.57 (talk) 04:41, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Believes and guesses. Wikipedia.Psycho Chicken (talk) 05:48, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Franco-Brazilian 

message: This photograph is not what it is very widely purported to be.  It is in fact a photograph of No.5 taken on 13 July 1901, and published in the August 1901 issue of l'Aérophile.TheLongTone (talk) 16:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of 'No. 6 rounding the Eiffel tower' 

message: No one is sure if he really commited suicide over the use of aircraft at the 1932 Revolution. It's seen as a myth or a tale... In fact, aircraft had been used widely long before (Alberto was in Europe when the Great War started) for combat and he stood up...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcanj106 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Is hard to know. He already stated have disgust over the user of airplanes as killer machines (like in his 1918 book - but he also said that the Brazilian aeronautics should be well developed as in Europe) and is well know that his health was deteriorating in the later years (an airplane accident that resulted in several deaths during a party in his homage made the things even worse. Erick Soares3 (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Article about the airplane accident in Portuguese. Erick Soares3 (talk) 15:29, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

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message: What was  a million réis worth in November 1903, in, say 2022 USD? --84.70.235.158 (talk) 19:50, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is almost impossible to evaluate. Torimem (talk) 21:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What about 1903 USD? --84.70.235.158 (talk) 21:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, I think estimating it for 2022 USD is perfectly possible, but I wonder if it would fall under original research and I doubt it would be accurate. I've found a paper that puts the réis-dollar exchange rate in 1903 at 4140 réis per 1 dollar (4.14 mil réis/dollar) assuming I got it right. Torimem (talk) 23:41, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Even putting the OR concern (which real) aside, such calculations are extremely precarious, and the results almost impossible to interpret in any meaningful way. The 1,000,000/4140 ≈ 250 dollars in 1903, and inflating that to today gives about 6000 to 10,000 dollars depending on assumptions. That clearly makes no sense at all as the cost of building a pioneering airplane. EEng 01:55, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Two examples from this article:
*12 million réis (how much Santos father sold his farm) = $5 million in 1895
*Santos Dumont inheritance = $500,000
Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:32, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currency value 

message: If someone have access, the following work may be interesting for this biography:  Erick Soares3 (talk) 14:32, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I can get it, but you'll need to be patient. EEng 18:27, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, thanks!! Erick Soares3 (talk) 19:53, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

text: it seems that they made it free for Christmas. I have just used it in both Wikis and is quite interesting. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:33, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closed access article 

message: The article says that he left no descendants, but later a photo is captioned "Alexandre and Marcos Villares, descendants of Santos-Dumont ...". I guess they are descendants of a sister ? (Two of the sisters are mentioned as named Vilares, one l.) -- Beardo (talk) 14:37, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed . EEng 15:18, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descendants ? 

message: It is unlikely that this book may have something substantial for his bio (but may have stuff for the Iguazu Falls page), but I'm still sharing it here since the publisher has released it for free:
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Erick Soares3 (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santos Dumont at the Iguazu Falls