Talk:Lance Bass/Archive02

message: Bass' sexuality is clearly discussed in the applicable section of the article. His notability is tied into his participation with 'N Sync-not for his coming out. Therefore inclusion in the lead section of him being "notable" for coming out is silly. Unlike Ellen Degeneres or David Kopay, Bass' coming out was not groundbreaking. I am removing the line in the lead section. I do not recommend re-adding it unless a sufficient source can be cited to show Lance Bass's notability affected due to him coming out. If anything can be cited (like an increase or decrease in marketability perhaps) then it would be appropriate for the lead section otherwise discussion of his sexuality should stay in the "Sexuality Section". Agne 20:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the article, the basis is there.Furthermore, wikipedia polcies for biographies states inclusion in the openning is proper.Cliesthenes 20:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability for coming out 

message: I've noticed every now and then someone would come along and replacing and/or adding negative comments and words regarding Lance's sexuality. Is it possible to put this page on semi-protection?Yajaec 22:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, more vandalism happened over the weekend, do I really need to suggest at least a semi-protection again?  I think since he came out the closet recently, I think it's better to keep the page semi-protected, at least till the "big headline" die down a bit.Yajaec 15:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though the vandalism is happening, it is getting reverted in the same minute in most cases. Protection and semi-protection are best used sparingly. It's a shame this is getting vandalized, but I don't feel it has risen to the level of requiring protection. The bots catch most of it immediately, since it has a pretty predictable pattern. It's more important that we keep the project as open as possible, which is the reason it has grown so quickly. Jokestress 16:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alrighty then, good timesYajaec 16:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The trouble is, the vandalism is coming from registered users as well as anonymous IPs, so I don't think semi-protect would work. I think the only solution is full protect, but then almost no one could edit. Not sure what the solution is... :( -Ebyabe 00:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just going to interject here... it is true that anonymous IPs are accounting for some vandalism, but if you look in the article's history at least 50% of the vandalism is coming from registered users. Semi-protection would do nothing but benefit this page, as even if it does not stop all of the vandalism, it would greatly reduce it... also, the large majority of the editing done to this page is done by registered and established users. I think it's safe to say that this page DOES get vandalized more than most. So I too would suggest going for the semi-protect again. --Lonely Sound 04:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Is he really James Lansten, born in Laurel, Mississippi ?
Derek R Bullamore 00:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full name and place of birth 

message: Is the correct pronunciation of Bass as in the fish or the instrument/voice? Might this information be a useful addition to the article?
OMHalck 19:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: His last name is pronounced like the fish; I've added this info to the Early life section of the article, along with a source citation. Thanks for the suggestion. --Adavidb 04:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info. --OMHalck 07:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation? 

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
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===Section-specific issues===
====Early life====
* "Bass, whose last name is pronounced like the fish" - Per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Pronunciation, pronunciation in Wikipedia is indicated using the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA).
* I'm not sure singing in school and church is considered the start of a singing career. 1995, when he joined the group, would more appropriately be referred to as the start of his career.
* "Mississippi Agriculture and Forestry Museum" - Why is Forestry the only wikified word here?
* The prose could use some work. It's choppy to read. For example, the first part could read, "Bass (IPA pronunciation) was born to Jim Bass, a lab technician, and Diane Bass, an elementary school teacher, in Laurel, Mississippi.[3] Raised as a Souther Baptist, at the age of 10, he moved with his parents and older sister Stacy to Clinton, Mississippi, where he was soon singing as a chorus member for both his church and school. ..." Subsequently remove the last paragraph regarding religion. It speaks of him currently, but this is the early life section.
* "During his time as a student, Bass excelled at math and science." - How do you know?
::. MgCupcake 21:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   MgCupcake 21:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  MgCupcake 21:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  MgCupcake 21:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: , though this was added after the article was nominated for GA, by an unregistered user. MgCupcake 22:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  MgCupcake 21:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: . Re-formatted all references. MgCupcake 22:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: . Added criticisms and awards. MgCupcake 22:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: ====Early life====
* "Bass, whose last name is pronounced like the fish" - Per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Pronunciation, pronunciation in Wikipedia is indicated using the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA).
* I'm not sure singing in school and church is considered the start of a singing career. 1995, when he joined the group, would more appropriately be referred to as the start of his career.
* "Mississippi Agriculture and Forestry Museum" - Why is Forestry the only wikified word here?
* The prose could use some work. It's choppy to read. For example, the first part could read, "Bass (IPA pronunciation) was born to Jim Bass, a lab technician, and Diane Bass, an elementary school teacher, in Laurel, Mississippi.[3] Raised as a Souther Baptist, at the age of 10, he moved with his parents and older sister Stacy to Clinton, Mississippi, where he was soon singing as a chorus member for both his church and school. ..." Subsequently remove the last paragraph regarding religion. It speaks of him currently, but this is the early life section.
* "During his time as a student, Bass excelled at math and science." - How do you know?
::. MgCupcake 21:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   MgCupcake 21:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  MgCupcake 21:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  MgCupcake 21:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: , though this was added after the article was nominated for GA, by an unregistered user. MgCupcake 22:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  MgCupcake 21:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: . Re-formatted all references. MgCupcake 22:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Section-specific issues

message: * "Bass, whose last name is pronounced like the fish" - Per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Pronunciation, pronunciation in Wikipedia is indicated using the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA).
* I'm not sure singing in school and church is considered the start of a singing career. 1995, when he joined the group, would more appropriately be referred to as the start of his career.
* "Mississippi Agriculture and Forestry Museum" - Why is Forestry the only wikified word here?
* The prose could use some work. It's choppy to read. For example, the first part could read, "Bass (IPA pronunciation) was born to Jim Bass, a lab technician, and Diane Bass, an elementary school teacher, in Laurel, Mississippi.[3] Raised as a Souther Baptist, at the age of 10, he moved with his parents and older sister Stacy to Clinton, Mississippi, where he was soon singing as a chorus member for both his church and school. ..." Subsequently remove the last paragraph regarding religion. It speaks of him currently, but this is the early life section.
* "During his time as a student, Bass excelled at math and science." - How do you know?
::. MgCupcake 21:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Early life

message: * Where did the information regarding his recruitment come from?
* This section needs to be reworded. It starts with him joining the group, then jumps to before, then back to after. Simply combining the first two sentences would correct this issue. Basically, "In 1995, Bass joined [...] 'N Sync [...] after former member [...] decided to leave the group. In need of a bass singer, the group began searching. Justin Timberlake..."
* "Bass is the youngest person ever inducted into the Mississippi Musicians Hall of Fame.[8]" This seems like it would be more appropriate in a different section. He was not inducted into the HoF solely because he was a member of 'N Sync.
::  MgCupcake 21:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'N Sync

message: * This section needs additional referencing. The first paragraph is totally without.
:: MgCupcake 21:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Career as a producer

message: * "Bass has a habit of working with best friend and former bandmate Joey Fatone." - That doesn't read very encyclopedic.
* This section also needs additional referencing. It reads like OR. It's also very trivial. Not only in its content, but also in the way it's formatted in a list, rather than paragraphs.
* "Fatone was the first 'N Sync member to whom Bass revealed his sexuality. Bass is also the godfather of Fatone's daughter, Briahna." - Trivial information which has nothing to do with his "work".
:: MgCupcake 21:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other work

message: *'Bass has confirmed that this is untrue and he and Andrade are "just friends." He said, "He's just a friend. We are just friends now. "I guess you can say we're dating because we've been on multiple dates, but it's nothing exclusive. I'm freshly out of a relationship." ' - The quotations are wrong here. Punctuation should only be inside the quotation marks if it is a full quote, therefore it should be "just friends". As for the rest of the sentence, there seems to be an extra quotation mark in the middle of the quote.
::, though this was added after the article was nominated for GA, by an unregistered user. MgCupcake 22:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Relationships

message: * This is just a trivia section. Incorporate encyclopedic content into the article and removed the rest. If it doesn't have a reference, delete it.
:: MgCupcake 21:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: In popular culture

message: * Many of the references are incorrectly formatted. The title is the title of the article. The work is the publisher. For example, if Rolling Stone has an article, "Lance Bass Is Out Of The Closet". Rolling Stone is the work. "Lance Bass Is Out Of The Closet" would be the title. Also include author names, when available, date of publication, and page specifications, where appropriate.
* I'm not sure what's going on with ref 9, ^ <Logo's In Sync With Bass >
* Blogs are not reliable sources and are inappropriate to quote in an encyclopedia.
::. Re-formatted all references. MgCupcake 22:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: * Uses of "US" should be written as "U.S." per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Abbreviations.
* Block quotes are generally reserved for quotes that are four or more lines in length, which none of the blocked quotes in this article are. 
* The article lacks mention of any awards he has received.
* Also, are there no well-known criticisms of him?
* Although there doesn't seem to be an issue with on-going edit wars, the history does show some instability periodically. However, none notable enough to affect GA.
::. Added criticisms and awards. MgCupcake 22:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-section-specific

message: This article fails to meet GA criteria. Once issues have been addressed and the article is brought up to standards, it can be renominated at WP:GAC. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you make seek remediation at WP:GA/R. Regards, LaraLoveT/C 20:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conclusion

message: I am disputing the "facts" presented in this article. Lance was born James Lanceton Bass, but that is not stated in this article. That is why I am disputing the factual accuracy of this article. I am also tagging it for restructuring beacuse there are several parts of the article that reapeat themselves, or should be a new heading.
:You're disputing a fact that is backed up with many mainstream sources. "Lansten" is a nickname that was given to him by his bandmates. If you'd like to add that to the article, feel free. --MgCupcake 04:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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