Talk:Bozhidar Dimitrov

message: Now that he is a government minister, it seems more appropriate to restore it as a separate article The Ten Lies of Macedonism. Politis (talk) 17:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ten Lies of Macedonism

message: but on these alleged ten lies, blah, blah.. maybe you should first figure out whether his lies are notable enough to take half of the article about him, or are they here as a pet project of nationalistic editors ? 16:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: = the weight of the article is not on the person 

message: ...have no place in a biographical article. Besides, his claims already account for much of the Macedonian nationalism article.  --WavesSaid (talk) 08:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, whole extracts of books are rather improper. If there was an article on the book itself, this might go down there as a summary of the content. That in mind, I wonder why you continue reverting. Users well familiar with rules around here, such as you, should refrain from such actions. Btw, I hope you will continue pursuing your quest against whole excerpts of books at the articles of other authors as well. It might prove beneficial to the project and show that this is not a single-purpose account. --Laveol T 07:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Now I started remembering things, I take that back. There could be no article on the book by a decision by a single admin. --Laveol T 07:28, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: How might we go about fixing this? Sure. If you come across such an article, let me know. --WavesSaid (talk) 00:23, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

text: As I said, make a summary and bring it to the talk page before you blank. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 07:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What purpose would that serve? Which policy states that irrelevant summaries of books in biographical articles should be brought to the talk page before being blanked? --WavesSaid (talk) 09:15, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To remind you, it was you who suggested a summary of the book. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 09:58, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a rhetorical question. I was criticizing your choice of that particular book over his other books. --WavesSaid (talk) 11:58, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, of course... I chose that book because it's his first book and it has reached best-seller status in the RoM, but I will respect any consensus that will be reached in the talk page about the book section, however I don't see how the book section harms the article. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 15:12, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Dimitrov that claims it is a best-seller.  --WavesSaid (talk) 22:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. Unless there is evidence that the book has received significant attention in secondary sources, it doesn't merit inclusion: and even if it has been discussed, it is probably undue to discuss it in the depth given presently - and it would be necessary to include responses to the book too. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The book is subject to numerous publications both in RoM and Bulgaria, e.g. articles in the most popular Skopje newspapers Дневник, Дневник, Утрински весник, Утрински весник, Утрински весник, Утрински весник etc.  Apcbg (talk) 15:52, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: ...because they consider it inflammatory. --WavesSaid (talk) 02:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Inflammatory it might well be, and probably so intended by its author, but that’s quite irrelevant here.  What matters is that the book has received significant attention in secondary sources (AndyTheGrump's question).  A Google search for its Macedonian title "Десетте лаги на македонизмот" and its Bulgarian title "Десетте лъжи на македонизма" returns 43700 and 65700 hits respectively, including a number of reliable sources such as those given above.  (Among the ‘non-reliable’ ones is its Macedonian Wiki article.) Apcbg (talk) 08:01, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A Google search for 12 мита в българската история, another of his books, returns about 104,000 results. And another (Българите и Александър Македонски) returns about 116,000 results. --WavesSaid (talk) 22:43, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

text: My original suggestion to entirely delete the section won't go down well with the Balkan editors. And given that it has received some criticism in secondary sources, AndyTheGrump's suggestion to include these responses in place of an in-depth summary sounds reasonable. --WavesSaid (talk) 22:51, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
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