Talk:Dunglish

message: I have no idea how to do this, but I would like to add a reference to the page. 
-> Burrough-Boenisch, J.: Righting English that's gone Dutch (2nd edition). (http://www.kemperconseil.nl/TaalkundeBoeken/RightingEnglish.html)
Michael Beijer (talk) 19:32, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and likewise that kite won't fly ("die vlieger gaat niet op"), now breaks my wooden shoe ("nou breekt mijn klomp") and other literally translated idioms, but in general none of those belong in the article unless they have been prominently used. Over-literal translation is an endless source of amusement and many examples can be constructed, but we shouldn't. JRM · Talk 17:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Similar, I want to talk to you under four eyes ("Ik wil je onder vier ogen spreken"). Ahv 21:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The information identifying Dunglish as "coal English" occurs twice in the article so I am editing it. -- House of Scandal 10:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Steenkolenengels'' 

message: Dutch is SOV in sentences with modal auxiliary verbs, but the examples given are not due to that reason, but due to English' peculiar usage of writing periphrastic sentences with the verb "do" (a complex usage that globally is rather rare. I attempt to rewrite...) 惑乱 分からん 12:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SOV / SVO 

message: Don't really know how to put this in the article, my English isn't that good ^^ Maybe somebody else will??
In Dutch the J is pronounced like the Y is pronounced in English. Dunglish speaking Dutchmen will probably say yoke instead of joke.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbarends (talk • contribs) 12:37, August 26, 2007 (UTC) 
:The mistake is common in Scandinavia, where the English J-sound isn't found in native words. I guess it's possible it exists in the Dutch-speaking area, too, but pronunciation mistakes don't primarily stem from spelling/ortography. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 12:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My mate Ian has had his name so mispronounced by myriad Continentals that now even Britons call him “Yan”. Mr Larrington (talk) 09:06, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: J and Y

message: Some of the phrases quoted here.
The same blog, but now giving the date of the referenced book:
- "I always get my sin", Maarten H.Rijkens 2005
Googling, I easily get to this.
--Paul Pieniezny (talk) 12:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A possible source for some of this, and more 

message: One might add that the picture is also an example of reverse influence of English on Dutch: the so-called English disease (Engelse ziekte). This alludes to the tendency to separate word parts in a composed noun. 'Paardenuitdeelplaats' should be one word in Dutch.--Apollonius (talk) 12:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: I don't think the use of 'apartment' instead of 'flat' is an example of overtranslation at all. In fact, 'appartement' means an apartment or a flat in Dutch, whereas Dutch 'flat' generally means a block of flats. If anything, 'apartment' is a case of 'undertranslation'.
:I think you're right. I'll remove it. Joepnl (talk) 04:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overtranslation 

message: One of the most common features of written Dunglish is the omission of the word of from titles and headings (writing Responsibilities cardholder instead of Responsibilities of cardholder or Cardholder responsibilities), but is there a good reference for this? --Silvonen (talk) 12:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing prepositions Dunglish 

message: I think this article only encompasses Northen Dutch speakers (= residents of the Netherlands). Though Flanders is mentioned in the introduction, all of the examples are clearly Northern Dutch. E.g. "Are you taking me in the mailing?" is something a Fleming would never say (since "in de maling nemen" is a Northern Dutch expression). Instead, a literal translation from Flemish Dutch to English would be "Are you laughing with me?"("Ben je met mij aan het lachen?"), which is translated quite correctly if I'm not mistaken.
Also, the "jokular reverse part" is not Flemish Dutch at all. Flemish Dutch examples would be "I will make myself from side." or "English with hair on the teeth".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.190.253.144 (talk) 20:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias to the Netherlands 

message: I removed the part on "passengers can change here" seeing as that's perfectly correct in English. 
Bashessels (talk) 14:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Change here" 

message: A treatment of pronunciation is missing. Also, I think that this article focuses on people with low or mediocre knowledge of English, while many Dutch have good or even excellent knowledge of English. Andries (talk) 08:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: treatment of pronunciation is missing

message: I don't think there is a Wikipedia policy like WP:ANECDOTE but A professor, specialized in agricultural history, stressed the importance of "weed" production in 20th century Holland on an international symposium - although his slides indicated that he was referring to "wheat". would certainly qualify (I even suspect it to be Dunglish itself, shouldn't it be "at" instead of "on"?) and should be deleted. I'll be bold. 
"Worst-kaas scenario" actually is used (according to Google) as a very very poor joke (probably in circles infected by civil servants) where I originally thought it was made up to make an interestingly sounding edit to this article. So I will not be bold there but I would recommend a template warning that Dutch people using this expression as a real joke should be avoided at all costs (recommending further measures probably wouldn't be legal under both US and Dutch law). Joepnl (talk) 04:15, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anecdotes & Worst-Kaas-scenario warning 

message: I doubt the notability of examples like "You have to screw the hookers on the wall." (hookers/hooks on/to). Actually, I don't see the use of the examples at all, they are at most jokes for Dutch people reading this article but don't add any real information to it.  Joepnl (talk) 04:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples should be removed 

message: Why is there no list of commonly used Dunglish words (like beamer, oldtimer, etc.)? The Denglisch page has lots of examples, while this page doesn't have any reference to them 85.145.94.241 (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's a good idea. Denglish words like showmaster, smoking, slip, streetworker all apply. Joepnl (talk) 00:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Denglish refers to English loanwords in German. This page claims (without reference, I might add) Dunglish refers to English as spoken poorly by native Dutch speakers. In other words Dunglish is not to Dutch as Denglish is to German. English loanwords in Dutch have nothing to do with Dunglish. (unless they were incorrectly used by the Dutch when speaking English) 83.117.64.26 (talk) 14:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pseudo-anglicism]] 

message: "The Dutch verb solliciteren means to apply for a job, which can lead to an embarrassing situation if someone claims that they have come to solicit." This seems questionable, in Australian and I assume British English to solicit just means to ask for something. Eg. to solicit a response. A solicitor is a lawyer. Eg Solicitor General. Ozdaren (talk) 06:50, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solicit? 

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message: Vlaminck erased my comment. The fact is well known and extensively documented in the airplane communication history. 500 person died in Tenerife because Captain Zanten could not speak English. Over and put. Roger Mumok (talk) 23:11, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tenerife Plane Crash