Talk:Jacquard machine

message: I've tidied up the image positioning, which I think makes it look better.  The only problem might be the appearance on smaller monitors.  If anyone has a problem, then we'll need to have a re-think.  I was going to sacrifice one of the images, but I thought they were brilliant, so I've left them all.  Noisy | Talk 10:03, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I have been embroidering for a couple of years. I have never heard of jacquard weaving. Is this the process in which the logo shirt tags are weaved or lanyards or is it weaving with an impression with the same color as the reast of the fiber? I always looked at it as small embroidery or tight weave embroidery.
:this is the process of using a machine to do the weaving, and index-like cards are used to tell the loom which threads to use. Kingturtle 23:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is it? 

message: Useful, interesting, like the photos. I referenced this page re "algorithm". wvbaileyWvbailey 22:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Very interesting! Thanks 

message: Are punch card controlled machines still in commercial use?  I suspect so, since they might be simpler to maintain than electronic computerized versions.  But it would be good if the article said, one way or the other, if anyone knows for sure. 69.87.200.111 01:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: punch cards?

message: Joseph Marie Jacquard mentions this invention as created in 1804-1805. In this article it mentions it in 1801, as well as in Computer.
Not sure what to do with it. --RazorICE 07:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invention year? 

message: This article states in the section Importance to computing that the Jacquard loom was the first machine to use punched cards to control a sequence of operations. However, according to the articles Basile Bouchon and Joseph Marie Jacquard such cards were already used in 1728 by Falcon's improvement to Bouchon's invention, and Jacquard returned to that earlier approach.  --Lambiam 22:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Basile Bouchon, while Falcon's loom did use punched cards, it required an operator to operate them. Hence Jacquard loom would still be the first machine "to use punched cards to control a sequence of operations", as opposed to Falcon's loom where the operator used punched cards to control a sequence of operations. Nikola (talk) 12:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  First machine to use punched cards? 

message: Reference #2 - "Fabric Glossary". Retrieved 2008-11-21. - is a dead link.
Reference #3 -  The London journal of arts and sciences (and repertory of patent inventions). June 1, 1866. p. 334. - does not refer to the subject.  It is a patent someone else received for their changes to the jacquard loom.  I'm new here :) so do I just change it, or do I let the original author do it?  Thanks for your patience! AmySmiles (talk) 20:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like it and and will feel at home here. To answer your question: if you feel you can improve the article, please do so. Please don't wait for the original author (who may sometimes be hard to identify, or who else may have become inactive). If the issue is likely to be contentious, it may be good idea to discuss it first on the talk page, but in general, and particularly if it is uncontroversial like fixing a broken reference, just be bold and go ahead.  --Lambiam 22:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: On several sites of the Internet, there's the reference «1801 - Joseph Marie Jacquard uses punch cards to instruct a loom to weave "hello, world" into a tapestry.». Does someone has a source to it? If yes, it would be great to have it in the Article, as well as in the Hello_world_program. Martin mahal Halter (talk) 08:34, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: let us know when you find a citation. Any truth to the alternate story, that he wove "whoooo...oooosh" into a long scarf? 96.246.172.37 (talk) 00:31, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "hello, world" used by Jacquard 

message: The introductory text states that "Live displays of a Jacquard loom are available at a few private museums around Lyon." This should be supplemented to say that a live display of a working Jacquard loom can be seen at the Maison des Canuts in Lyon (http://maisondescanuts.com/). I couldn't figure out how to edit the introductory text, though. 147.126.10.122 (talk) 15:01, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction: Working demonstration

message: Photo throws are commonly available at "reasonable" prices ($60 -- $150). A rug or blanket can be woven with a color image, presumably under full computer control. This article (and related articles) ought to discuss how these are made. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 18:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Some rudimentary searching finds a lot of knitted throws, but none that are woven. Given the ease of multi-colour knitting and the difficult of weaving with many colours, this isn't surprising. So they aren't woven and they aren't woven on Jacquard looms. They might gain a mention as "The notion of automatically controlled coloured textiles eventually gave rise to on-demand one-off knitting from photographs.", but that's about as far as it goes. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:42, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the prompt response. I have two of these, and they look nothing like knitting. The threads are intertwined as warp and woof, and dangle from the top, bottom, and sides. I'll call one of the manufacturers tomorrow morning and get an "official" explanation. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 20:53, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just spoke with "Mike" at Manual Woodworkers and Weavers in North Carolina. He agrees that, although weaving and knitting are both methods for intertwining thread or yarn, what they (and other companies) produce is a woven fabric -- it is not knitting in the common meaning of the word. I'm thinking about adding an example, showing the original photo and its woven counterpart. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 14:40, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: photo throws

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The two articles Jacquard loom and Jacquard weaving have very similar topics and content. It would make sense to merge them. User:Clean Copy (talk)
: I agree. 
: The merged article should be Jacquard loom rather its application ('weaving') since the notability of the topic is Jacquard's conceptual leap and its importance to the history of automation and computing. 
: As it has been a month since you proposed it with no dissent in the meantime, I suggest that you wp:be bold and just do it. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it reads rather well. I've made a couple of minor changes. But I'm stumped by this sentence, it seems short of a key word or words somewhere? or started with one idea and morphed into another?:For example, they are an ideal tool to increase the ability and stretch the versatility of the niche linen Jacquard weavers who remain active in Europe and the West, while most of the large batch commodity weaving has moved to low cost areas. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:36, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I came to this article with background knowledge only and could not understand the explanation.  I've managed to find a diagram of the principle and have re-written the first couple of sentences to reference the diagram and explain how it works.  To get the diagram to align I've had to move the illustrations around.  I didn't realise at first that the gallery was a slideshow, so if it confused me I'm sure it must have confused others.  I've therefore expanded the gallery to be a simple one which readers can click upon.  Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Principle of operation 

message: Apparently Jacquard machines existed in the Han Dynasty of China, though this is not mentioned in the current version of the article. There are various articles discussing a recent archaeological excavation in Chengdu, Sichuan. Source 76.190.208.61 (talk) 19:31, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for this suggestion. Unfortunately the text is far too generic to use as a citation. One line saying that "4 Jacquard looms were discovered" is just a teaser,  we would need at least a reliable specialist publication but an article in a peer reviewed journal would be better. Chinese silk weaving was the envy of the Western World at that time and for centuries afterwards - but of course was assumed to demonstrate exceptional hand-weaving skill since automation was unknown. So the article would be greatly improved if reliably sourced material can identified that attests to it. Would you like to develop some text? (Don't worry about getting Wikipedia's 'house style' right, anybody can fix that.) --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Jacquard machines in the Han Dynasty of China (200 BC-200 AD)?