Talk:Holiday (Madonna song)

message: If anyone knows the release dates for the 1985 & 1991 re-release of the single can they please add them. Thanks.
Underneath-it-All
Found the release date for the 1991 UK release. Underneath-it-All 19:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Dates 

message: I could swear that Holiday became Madonna's first ever Australian hit when it rose high the charts in April 1983. A few years ago a friend had all the old charts, we checked it, and Holiday was Madonna's first hit in Australia, and it happenend in April 1983.. However that does not follow this article claims that Holiday was released internationally in Spetember 1983. Asa01 22:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is incorrect.  The charts you are referring to would have been dated April 1984 (not 1983).  "Holiday" was definitely Madonna's first hit in Australia, but it wasn't released until 1984 (I actually doubt it had even been recorded in April 1983, since it was a very last-minute addition to the "Madonna" album, which was released in July 1983).58.165.92.79 (talk) 05:04, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: In Australia

message: Is it not official? I thought it was.
70.225.85.157 00:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barry Harris Tribal Mix 

message: The (previously unreleased) video is available on YouTube, I think we should link to that. -andy 92.227.16.69 (talk) 13:20, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video 

message: There is no mentioning of the fact that the live version from BA was nominated at the VMAs. Alecsdaniel (talk) 10:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Source? --Legolas (talk2me) 10:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you look for it! You are the ultimate Madonna fan here, aren't you? Alecsdaniel (talk) 10:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maintain civility. This is a talk page, not your personal forum. --Legolas (talk2me) 10:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the proof - . Now, just find a reliable source. Alecsdaniel (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not my job to go on finding sources. Since you have made a point, why don't you find one? The above source is a definite copyright violation. --Legolas (talk2me) 10:38, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, I found it. --Legolas (talk2me) 10:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete 

message: The following text about the reasoning for the cover art is incorrect:
The original coverart for "Holiday" did not carry Madonna's picture since Sire did not want people to find out that she was not a R&B artist. Instead it carried the picture of a train station and an engine.
It was for her first single 'Everybody' - if you look at the cover of 'Everybody' there are no pictures at all of Madonna. However, her second single Burning Up featured a drawing of her on the back. Her third single, Holiday, did not have a picture sleeve in the US at all but in Europe they opted for the red and white striped version. The re-release in 85 featured the train sleeve - I know because I bought it and it has a picture of her on the back similar to this one from the pic disc of the same release:
So, it doesn't make sense to say to say they didn't want people to find out that she was 'an R&B artist' (I think the original quote was black not R&B artist) when there is a picture of her on the back!
So, this quote is correct in that it refers to the single 'Everybody' not 'Holiday'
Scrub inc (talk) 03:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input. However, the source used Rikky Rooksby validates the line. And it was clear that they didnot want her actual picture on the "cover" art. It might have been present on the back side, but that's not what we are discussing. Normally when you browse shops, you will look at the front of the vinyl or the CD right? Thats where her image should have been, but Sire had decided against it. Also using the phrase "black artist" is a little derogatory in this context and was changed to R&B instead. Even for "Burning Up", not an actual picture was present, but a photoshopped montage instead. --Legolas (talk2me) 03:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I completely understand your concerns. But one of the core policies of Wikipedia is verifiability which in essence states that "Wikipedia doesnot go for the truth, but facts which can be verified by reliable sources." In this case Rikky Rooksby, as teh author of counteless music explanatory and guide books, is an extremely reliable source. Hence, untill and unless a counter reliable source is found backing up the claim that you made here, I'm afraid we cannot change a stated fact. --Legolas (talk2me) 03:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here you go - http://wapedia.mobi/en/Everybody_%28Madonna_song%29 If you read down, it describes in more details - the quote appears to come from (Andrew?) Morton's book as referenced at the bottom of the page. 
Scrub inc (talk) 13:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry unreliable source and Andrew Morton's book doesnot say anything at all about the Everybody cover art. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Rikky Rooksby is an extremely unreliable source and should NEVER be held up when respectable verification is needed.  His book is littered with errors, and should be taken with a large pinch of salt.  Although I don't have references to hand, I believe even Seymour Stein is on the record as saying Madonna's image was not put on the cover of Everybody as they wanted people to think she was black.  Paul75 (talk) 12:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holiday Cover Art 

message: I found the coverart of the Madonna song. Should the image be added (back)? --George Ho (talk) 01:06, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add the train cover? 

message: The US vinyl single lacks front cover. At least there is a Side-A label. Shall we add it as second infobox image or use it as replacement for the current UK image? Also, how do you interpret WP:NFCC and WP:NFC? Note that the song was first published with American singer's—Madonna's—vocals. --George Ho (talk) 07:45, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  @IndianBio: I don't know whether the gap difference between this and Talk:Finally (CeCe Peniston song) is small or large. There was edit warring over there that I was involved in. I started the RFC because, if I don't, I would have changed the image right away, and then you would have reverted. --George Ho (talk) 14:05, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I tried DR, Gnome; it didn't work for edit-warring. --George Ho (talk) 15:55, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  
RfC:
 Use side label of US vinyl single? 

message: Response to third opinion request:
I agree that this dispute is way too trivial for an RfC, so I'm not surprised that that was shot down. At any rate, although whether or not the side-A label for the US version qualifies as a cover is debatable, I would still suggest using it as the first cover but then also using the UK cover art as the alternative cover. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 23:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: This guy said that the picture of the train station and the train itself was used to disguise Madonna as typical RnB artist. However, one Amazon reviewer said that his book is not accurate. Shall we take those words seriously and reconsider Rooksby's research? I typed in "British" to distinguish it from the U.S. vinyl release, which never had a picture sleeve when it was initially released. --George Ho (talk) 05:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats not the only place, I found the info in Lucy O'Brien's book also, so its very possible that he/they are correct. I vaguely am gonna check any Amazon user's comment. —IB [ Poke ] 08:39, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of information about the UK cover art 

message: The image is nominated for deletion at Commons. Please discuss there. --George Ho (talk) 17:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Madonna-holiday-1983-us-vinyl.jpg]] 

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message: Remember we are all on the same team here... just sayin. Courtesy ping  . -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:05, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
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