Talk:Lucifer of Cagliari

message: Thebes, Greece, or Thebes, Egypt? –Hajor 02:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thebes, Egypt.  Sorry for not having made that clear.  My source, and this should answer the "disputed" as well, was The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (1961 ed.) for details of the theological controversy, and a French (I will write more here when I go to where the book is to get its precise authors and date of imprimatur) Lives of the Saints.  However, the status as saint was from a work with both a nihil obstat and imprimatur, so it's safe to assume that his status as saint was granted, at least to VCII.  Whether he has been reexamined since then or not, I do not know, but I do know that he is little talked about, at least because of the sort of man he was as his name.  I'm not generally one to make things up.  Essentially, his beatification came from being a voice of orthodoxy.  Opposing Julian the Apostate alone put him in a favorable position in church history.  Geogre 19:47, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No apologies necessary, thanks for the clarification. One of the regular tasks I've adopted here is going through the what-links-here list for Thebes every so often -- great way of getting a load of classical-world related articles onto your watchlist. What was the "other article under a different name" referred to in your edit summary? –Hajor 20:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Banished... to Thebes

message: The two articles have been merged, as the Lucifer Calitanus article had less in it than Saint Lucifer.  However, that article, which did not specify its sources, had an interesting line about 19th century misunderstandings of "Luciferians" and a subsequent scandal about the saint.  That has been incorporated into a new final paragraph in Saint Lucifer.  Despite finding few sources for a specific canonization of Lucifer, there are fewer yet for the re-evaluation or demotion of him.  Consequently, the 1951 Omer Englebert's Lives must be taken as documentary evidence, as it was submitted, reviewed, and accepted by censors.  It's the best we can do for now.  Any evidence of reevaluation or demotion would be welcome, however.  Geogre 17:16, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides the inherent oddity of combining Saint and Lucifer, this individual seems an unlikely person to be a saint. Not that there aren't many with even worse qualifications, but this guy caused a (minor) schism and was on the losing and minority end of it, something even the church could hardly endorse. According to John Henry Blunt's Dictionary of Sects, Heresies, Ecclesiastical Parties, and Schools of Religious Thought  (page 263): "The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals." Written in 1874, but it still sounds reasonable to me. Lets move the article back to the uncontroversial Lucifer Calitanus (for which we need an administrator's help). Other language wikipedia articles have him under that title and I don't think anyone could be insulted by it. Afasmit (talk) 11:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the last word on the canonization 

message: It is telling that this bishop had this name. The only logical conclusion would be that "Lucifer" - which stands for "the morning star" - was not related to the devil. What father would name his son after the devil? The Lucifer entry in the Wikipedia is clear enough on this topic. --CalaClii (talk) 14:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lucifer's Name 

message: Lucifer of Cagliari, is mentioned as a one of the Bishops that refused permission for the repentant Arian Bishops to return to their Sees..... Saint Athanasius of Alexandria recommended that they should be admitted back, those of severe penitents.  359 - 362.  MacOfJesus (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alban Butler's account 1860 

message: In the account here below quoted....... we see a very resistance to the repentant Bishops wishing to return to the Orthodox Faith..... 
"His "Dialogue" against the Luciferians deals with a schismatic sect whose founder was Lucifer, Bishop of Cagliari in Sardinia. The Luciferians refused to approve of the measure of clemency by which the Church, since the Council of Alexandria, in 362, had allowed bishops, who had adhered to Arianism, to continue to discharge their duties on condition of professing the Nicene Creed. This rigorist sect had adherents almost everywhere, and even in Rome it was very troublesome. Against it Jerome wrote his "Dialogue", scathing in sarcasm, but not always accurate in doctrine, particularly as to the Sacrament of Confirmation."
This would confirm what Alban Butler was saying above.... MacOfJesus (talk) 18:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: New Advent, Saint Jerome 

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