Talk:Blue Frog

message: Punkmorten 15:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

message: I just got a email from some "PIMENTEL Winnie <rhodes@crookedsmile.com>" saying this:
"You are being emailed because you are a user of BlueSecurity's well-known software "BlueFrog." http://www.bluesecurity.com/
Today, the BlueSecurity database became known to the worst spammers worldwide. Within 48 hours, the database will be published on the Internet, and your email address will be open to them all. After this, you will see the spam sent to your mailbox increase 10 - 20 fold.
BlueSecurity was illegally attacking email marketers, and doing so with your help. Many websites have been targeted and hit, including non-spam sites. BlueSecurity's software has been fully analyzed, and contains an abundance of malicious code. This includes: ability to send mass mail to users; the ability to attack websites with Distributed Denial of Service attack (DDoS); the ability to open hidden doors on any machine on which it is running; and a hidden auto-update code function, which can install anything on your computer and open it up to anyone.
BlueSecurity lists a USA address as their place of business, whereas their main office is in Tel Aviv. BlueSecurity is run by a few Russian-born Jews, who have previously been spamming themselves. When all is said and done, they will be able to run, hide and change their identities, leaving you to take the fall. YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES and expect to get away with it. This email ensures that you are well aware of the situation. Soon, you will be found guilty of computer crimes such as DDOS attacking of websites, conspiracy, and sending mass unsolicited bulk email messages for everything from viagra to porn, as long as you continue to run BlueFrog.
They do not take money for downloading their software, they do not take money for removing emails from their lists, and they have no visible revenue stream. What they DO have is 500,000 computers sitting there awaiting their next command. What are they doing now?
1. Using your computer to send spam ?
2. Using your computer to attack competitor websites?
3. Phishing through your files for your identity and banking information?
If you think you can merely change your email address and be safe while still running BlueFrog, you are in for a big surprise. This is just the beginning..."
Not sure what to do with it, but here it is if anyone's interested. FredTheDeadHead 21:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i've received one too. mine is of the threatening type. http://evilloop.com/ceremonial.homicidal.png Zenzizi 01:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blue Frog is illegal?

message: The response from the strictly ethical Blue Security is found at 
http://community.bluesecurity.com/webx?14@112.Cd7NaRswkcI.248@.3c3e88bc!discloc=.3c528f04
The ethics are well covered at http://www.bluesecurity.com/news/experts_say.asp
The media profiles on Blue Security provide further useful information, at
http://www.bluesecurity.com/news/in_the_news.asp
May 2006 - In an emerging battle between Blue Security and a subsection of the spamming community, there is a logical test of which party is legitimate - 
On one side you have a group who have clearly revealed their executive group, source of funding, code of ethics, and even provide the full source code of their software. On the other side you have an anonymous group whose actions speak for themselves, as demonstrated by the above spam.
: Great. We are getting to the spammers when they send out such tosh. Good on you, frog. Kittybrewster 21:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I got the same crap email. I must say that it's a great encouragement. I was previously skeptical of whether Blue Frog could make much headway against a sea of spammers, but since they are now trying to discredit it it must really be working. Someone should update the article with these new developments immediately (in fact, I think I'll throw something together myself in the meantime). GarrettTalk 01:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: There, done. I've also added the email I got, which actually looks much more believable than the laughable one Zenzizi posted above. For me at least the arrival of this coincided with a crapload more spam (usually only one or two a day miss Gmail's filters, today about ten did). I'm wondering if they deliberately turned up the volume of spam to reinforce that Blue Frog is screwing you over... hmm... GarrettTalk 01:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't doubt it. I have received a ton of stuff which is anti Frog. I prefer that to the fake University degrees - it advertises froggy. Kittybrewster 09:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blue Frog is strictly legitimate

message: this is getting totall y insane. i've received yet another email formulation from the spammer and their logic just totally escapes me. i'd go on and analyse their claims and failed affirmations but it's just really ridiculous. i mean it's even getting quite entertaining to see PharmaMaster struggle with their repeated threats. http://evilloop.com/blue.security.3.png - Zenzizi 14:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  and it goes on.. 

message: The "Spammers' next attack levelled at CEO Eran Reshef" section as currently worded makes no sense.  The spam that it quotes is being sent to lots of people (not just BlueFrog users or BlueSecurity customers; I am neither and have probably seen fifty copies by now), and is just a straight ordinary joe job: spam that appears to be sent by the victim, for the purposes of getting the spam recipients mad at the victim.
So the sentence "The implication in the e-mail is that with such a past history, the Blue Security venture, which is still in a beta test phase, should not have been susceptible to a DDOS attack" is beside the point.  The quoted spam doesn't mention any DDOS attack on Blue Security at all; it will seem to the vast majority of readers to be just ordinary spam sent by Skybox Security / Carmel Ventures / Blue Security.  If in fact this spam is a joe job and not actually sent by who it claims to be sent by, the paragraph in this section should just note that the quoted spam (is it an actual recent or old press release, or just something the spammers made up?) was sent out by the spammers in the name of Skybox Security etc in order to damage their reputation (by making them appear to be spammers themselves). 
(Or if this article is shortened as much as it probably ought to be, that whole section should be removed.  Although myself I'm glad it was there, because it at least explained where all these particular bits of spam are coming from...) --Orbst 19:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Spammers' next attack levelled at CEO Eran Reshef" section 

message: This article is in need of serious work. It needs a near complete rewrite to get rid of non-neutral tone problems, it contains many statements which cannot be verified by any neutral media source, and it contains large "primary source" quotations which have no purpose here. savidan(talk) (e@) 22:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute tags 

message: I received these emails as a blue frog user (unconnected to the company) I believe they should be reinstated if a number of other independent users received them. Please vote on reinstatement with
*Reinstate - <optional sentence> ~~~~  
or
*Do not Reinstate - <optional sentence> ~~~~ 
Note that this has been reported on slashdot, etc. and we could quote the blue frog site. -- Chris Q 07:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Emails (Poll) 

message: I got the message from the spammer when Blue Frog was shut down too, however this guy is just a pathetic loser that is on the losing side of this war.  If he really had the email addresses of all members then why did this  "message" arrive in only one of my emails registered with Blue Security and not the other two registered?  This guy only sent this message to users who were on a specific email spam list.  My spam has not increased and I still forward to Blue Security because spammers blow.
The spammers offer nothing positive and are just a tiny bit of all that is wrong with the world; like Hitler, Hussein and Ahmadinejad, they will all get what's coming to them and good will prevail over this evil!
: The day before the huge amounts of spam, I got that message to take myself off the list.  I only got it in the first address I signed up with. It was only a day or so later that the other mailboxes got those messages. I'm guessing the database:  and  is ordered based on the date you signed up, and that's the order that the spammers used.  Family Guy Guy 15:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue Frog attacks 

message: Now that things have settled down a bit, we should probably start cleaning up this article.
I've just put a Template:POV-section tag on the "Controversy" section. I've just put a lot of Template:fact tags in as well. Also, I think the first paragraph under "Attackers identified" is out of date: while Eran Reshef did identify the attacker as PharmaMaster earlier, recent reports seem to point to different culprits.
It's important to remember that lots of misinformation has been spread about Blue Frog, especially the false claim that they DDoS'd or DoS'd spammers. Apparently an article in Information Week is responsible for a lot of this.
We should also remember that lots of spammers have the know-how to edit Wikipedia ...
On a specific matter: does anyone have a URL for a press release by sixapart about the attack? All I found was http://www.sixapart.com/typepad/news/2006/05/typepad_update_1.html, which is rather terse.
Also, I've added URLs for two items by Brian Krebs, both of which I recommend.
—CWC(talk) 17:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the link in the article is to a thread on a web forum. It would be really, really good if someone found a better link, because that one is not a Reliable Source. For what it's worth, if I had Blue Frog installed, I'd uninstall it as soon as convenient. Cheers, CWC(talk) 22:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as the program dosn't work anymore, it should be uninstalled from any system. Which was also the reason I removed most of the "fear propaganda" which I added before. Havok (T/C/c) 06:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up the article 

message: Regarding part of the article that recommends Blue Frog should be removed, it sounds like the spammers posting rubbish to try and stop Blue Frog. Is there a proper source with this info?
FredTheDeadHead 21:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the link in the article is to a thread on a web forum. It would be really, really good if someone found a better link, because that one is not a Reliable Source. For what it's worth, if I had Blue Frog installed, I'd uninstall it as soon as convenient. Cheers, CWC(talk) 22:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as the program dosn't work anymore, it should be uninstalled from any system. Which was also the reason I removed most of the "fear propaganda" which I added before. Havok (T/C/c) 06:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Should Blue Security be removed?

message: It says that Blue Frog was closed source, yet the source is/was on SourceForge. Is there an explanation or is the article wrong?  Masterdriverz 08:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Open or Closed?

message: *Oppose and keep. The concept was interesting and may yet be carried forward by others in a different form. Previous nomination for deletion failed on good grounds which remain valid. - Kittybrewster 17:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the notice. I forgot to add it. AQu01rius (User | Talk | Websites)  18:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nominated for deletion (again)

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