Talk:Working Class Hero

message: :It was controversial in that it was one of the first popular songs to include the word "fucking." In contrast to the usual censorship laws, the record label printed the word clearly.
This statement is accompanied by a "citation needed" tag. If I may chime in, in the lyrics booklet of my CD copy, the word is replaced with a "*." So, the part about the record label printing the world clearly is most likely false. If anyone can upload a scan of the original vinyl issue's lyric sheet as source that the word is printed clearly, as this article states, then the statement can be left in. If not, the erroneous information should be deleted. (Sugar Bear 14:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I bought the vinyl record in 1971, a year after it was released. I still have it. The sleeve says "fucking". There's absolutely no question about this. The only thing questionable is what "one of the first means". The Jefferson Airplane song "We Can Be Together" from the 1969 album "Volunteers" includes the word "fuck", for example. (I could photograph the Lennon lyric with my Ipad, but I don't know how to upload it to Wikipedia. If you leave an e-mail address here, I'll send you a copy.) TheScotch (talk) 21:22, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  uncited statement 

message: This statement should not be here. It requires citation. Anything that you have to say, "Allegedly," unless the information is common knowledge, does not belong in an encyclopedia. So I deleted it. :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.230.86.251 (talk • contribs) 
:Thank you for explaining. In the future, consider providing edit summaries to prevent your edits from being mistaken for vandalism. --Chodorkovskiy (talk) 18:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Statement about Lennon being not from working class roots and the other Beatles being angry with the song because of this

message: About:
"The irony of this song is that Lennon grew up in Woolton, which is one of the most afluent and middle-class areas of Liverpool."
I believe that the song is not really about "working class" in the classical meaning of the word. It is more about that the "middle-class" is an illusion, and that this is just the new form of a working class in the so called western world. So I do not know I that calling this "irony" is correct.
:I'd agree with you there. The concept of the song is that lower classes are conned into working for the upper class due to the sense that they gain 'rise through the ranks' e.g. ", but you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see...there is room at the top, they are telling you still" - AlKing464 12:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All very well, guys, but I'm afraid your own opinions/interpretations don't beong in a Wikipedia article. For any of these arguments to remain in the article you must provide citations from reliable, published works to support them - see The Beatles article for a related example of sourcing. With all the work on John Lennon around, it shouldn't be too difficult to find but if that isn't provided then the interpretions will be deleted as time goes on. Cheers,  Ian Rose 08:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: My anonymous friend, we may be in violent agreement - 'my' rule applies most particularly to the source of irony you mention, and to the third and fourth paras in general. The issue of "affluent" vs. "middle class" is secondary. However rather than removing those paras wholesale, I've tagged the article as unsourced, because it should be expanded and could well include info along similar lines, provided it can be attributed to reliable sources and is not simply the thoughts of a Wikipedia editor (see Wikipedia:No original research). Cheers, Ian Rose 21:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Fair enough.  If Liverpool is a largely middle-class city, then it can make sense to describe some neighborhood within it as "one of the most affluent."  But without that sort of background information, to call the neighborhood "affluent" is misleading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.30.11.160 (talk) 13:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  middle-class - working class idea 

message: "One might find irony..." "It could be argued... " "Allegedly ..." "One common interpretation is ..."  --91.148.159.4 00:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved all the unsourced analyses from the article 

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replies: text: Fair use rationale for image and employment in this article added to :Image:JLPOBCover.jpg. Cheers, Ian Rose 11:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:JLPOBCover.jpg

message: :Image:Green day working class hero.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Green day working class hero.jpg

message: there are several "raw clips" of the working class hero music video. what does that mean?--Greenday21 (talk) 16:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green Day's Music Video 

message: I added a brief description of the music (chords and production), as a start. Does anyone want to look at it and see if it can be improved? Dan engstrom (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It reads fine to me, however everything in Wikipedia needs to be sourced and cited. At the moment this info would be classed as original research because it comments on the style without citation from a reliable source. Even information that may appear perfectly obvious to those with the requisite knowledge needs citation, so please provide a source from a book or journal that backs up this info. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the song 

message: Substituted at 10:53, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: According to the article Lennon said of the song "I just think its concept is revolutionary. I hope it's for workers and not for tarts and fags.". 
What a lovely, homophobic and sexist thing to say........ Sirhissofloxley (talk) 22:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: 52 years ago mate. Different world. --Ef80 (talk) 15:33, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: What a guy, not