Talk:Israeli West Bank barrier/Archive 2

message: Do you think it is about time to start categorize the links? (such as "official Israeli position" , "official UN position" , news-press and pro-fence and con-fence)? MathKnight 10:48, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of that, how about just dividing them by source, such as "Israeli government", "Other governments", "United Nations", "Press", and so on?  --Zero 13:56, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fine with me. MathKnight 14:17, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links section 

message: Guys, quit it with adding yet more identical comments on the ICJ ruling.  Currently there are far more negative than positive reactions in the article, which is a bias and a distortion.  It would be easy to add dozens of positive comments from different governments, NGOs, etc etc.  There isn't even a quotation from a Palestinian leader. --Zero 01:36, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The ICRC is eminently qualified in the matter, and it fits squarely into the ICRC mandate to comment on it.  The German interior minister has no special mandate for it.  Moreover, he did not say anything that is not already mentioned as an opinon in the article.  Another reason he should not be quoted is that it misleadingly suggests his opinion is representative of German government opinion, when the opposite is true.  As for numerical balance, everyone knows that world opinion on the barrier is overwhelmingly negative so the balance is actually a bit the other way.  --Zero 07:47, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't accept this argument. Let's leave the "world opinion" (on the Jews!) or the ICRC's supposed "netrality" out of this. The barrier is constantly being compared to Berlin Wall and the German minister's opinion is very relevant here. If not to affect the fate of the barrier, then at least to show that not all Germans are jerks. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 08:40, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text:  The nature of your response clearly indicates your motivations and simply reinforces my view on my this irrelevant quotation does not belong here.  --Zero 12:37, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since when ICRC is qualified in security issues? Also, what did ICRC mention in the quote which wasn't said before in the article? About balance from NPOV: "Unbiased writing does not present only the most popular view;" And regarding the last comment, Zero you should know that avoiding the argument by criticizing the opponent's POV presence is not very wise. In summary, I don't care who will provide the balanced (possibly security based) quote. In other words, if you don't like putting the opinion of that particular minister, then we should put someone else's  --Anton Adelson, Western Australia 18:37, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text:  The ICRC is the most experienced organization on earth when it comes to human rights issues, and also has standing on international law due to its special status in the administration of the Geneva Conventions.  As for adding opinions, there are heaps of them out there that would just love to be added and the great majority are negative.  If you want a quote-adding war, you will lose.  You should cut your losses. --Zero 23:30, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  "The ICRC is the most experienced organization on earth when it comes to human rights issues". Agreed. But that's not the problem. Read my post again. "If you want a quote-adding war". No that's not what I want. I want this article to be as balanced and NPOV as possible. Do you agree or not that by not balancing 3rd party opinions you damage NPOV of the article? If not, please read my quote from Wikipedia's policy again. --Anton Adelson, Western Australia 15:25, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinions 

message: It would be good if somebody who knows Hebrew could update the link number 8 in the references section ( http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2944632,00.html ) to have a meaningful link text, e.g. giving a translation of the linked page's title. --K. Sperling 22:01, 2004 Jul 21 (UTC)
: A one-to-one translation of title would be:
::  "President Katsav calls to complete the building of the seperation fence" 
: though in the body of the article he say "security fence". However, I decided to title it as:
:: "Reaction of Israeli leaders and politicians" 
: since it is more informative and truely describe the content of the article. There are reactions there from Yossef Lapid, Shimon Peres, Yossi Sarid, Muhammed Barakhe (Arab MK), Uri Luplianski (Jerusalem's mayor), Yuri Stern, Ahmed Tibi (Arab MK), Ehud Yatom, Yossi Beilin, Jamal Khazalke and Roman Bronfman. I could translate some of the reaction if you want. MathKnight 22:39, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  update link