Talk:Faster Pussycat

message: For one thing, I've heard that Paul Black played drums for Faster Pussycat before Mark Michals did. 
Gringo300 04:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Paul Black

message: I know it's not often easy to catagorize a band into one genre, but in the first line the article as it stands refers to the band being a "sleaze rock" band (which is not a genre defined within Wikipedia). The stub tag has them as a "hair metal" act. I don't know much 'bout metal, but from what I've seen while looking up sleaze rock elsewhere, these two genres seem contradictory. Any metal gurus out there care to elaborate?David Henderson 21:56, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I understand, Guns'N'Roses would also be considered sleaze. Gringo300 02:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd have to describe at least parts of Faster Pussycat's first album as blues rock. Gringo300 07:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: sleaze rock, hair metal?

message: Yeah, it'd be a good idea if we could add Taime Downe's version of Faster Pussycat's myspace onto the page under Brent Muscat's. Here Trivium9786 22:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Add Taime Downe's

message: This article displays blatant favoritism towards Brent's version of the band, and doesn't even acknowledge that Taime's version of Faster Pussycat is also a touring band, which released a new album pretty recently. I would say that Taime's band is more relevant and this article shouldn't state that he is a "former member". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jacko suede (talk • contribs) 01:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to leave the neutrality tag on till the end of the month, of no-one objects before then I'll take it outThePaintedOne 19:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one has commented further on this, so i'm going to take out the neutrality tag. I think the cleanup to the Brent info with added citations makes the article NPOV. The Rocklahoma stuff is still contentious, but has been clearly marked as needing citation and cleanup, so I don't think it unbalances the article as a whole (see also below). If anyone is still unhappy with the NPOV position of the article, please comment here before editing --ThePaintedOne 08:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality Disputed 

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message: Faster Pussycat NOW is an Industrial Rock band, not hair/sleaze or whatever you want to call it. And why is there no "Current Members" listing? TAIME IS PUSSYCAT. Along with their newest album has been removed from the discography. Trivium9786 18:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop Changing The Genres

message: Having just tried to neutralise the name dispute section of the article, I think the recently added commentary on Rocklahoma once again moves the article away from NPOV and is potentially contentious. I have heard of the incident, but from a quick search I can only find references to it on gossip and chat sites, none of the rock music news sites (e.g. Blabbermouth.net, who usually cover FP stories) have made mention of it. I have done a breif edit, changing the commentary style to a more factual recounting (mostly by moving it to the past tense). I've also added a weasel words flag, as this is currently all hearsay, and numerous citation tags. I think this makes clear to any casual reader that this is not current proven fact. However, if no citations can be provided, I think the section will have to be heavily edited or removed. I would have thought some reference to this incident should be included, as it seems pretty likely something happened, but without citation it certainly cant stay up as it is now.
As I'm going to review the page at the end of September with regards the Neutrality tag anyway, I'll review this section at the same time as well. 
Any comments on this, please add them in here on the talk page. Can I also suggest that before adding any other potentially volatile material that makes ref to the band dispute, it be discussed on the talk page first. ThePaintedOne 09:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not at all biased, in fact having seen and enjoyed the Brent Muscat version of the band live last year if I'm biased in any direction its the other way (I spent quite a bit of time writing the name dispute section and adding refs to stop it being deleted out of hand). I am just trying to keep what is written here within wiki guidelines. The stuff you have previously posted was clearly anti-Taime and this isn't the place for that. The incidents (which to be honest are not hugely notable anyway) can be described in a neutral way, with sources quoted, but that is not what your previous edits were doing. The version on there now is not an unreasonable compromise, although it needs rewording to past tense (I'll do this now). This is wikipedia in action, multiple editors working on a subject to reach a sensible compromise :) .--ThePaintedOne (talk) 13:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

text: By way of compromise I've moved the Brent info to the name dispute section, which is the most appropriate place for it as its his last connection with the band, and only removed a single line of copy which is clearly promotional. I think subsequent editors may remove it as off topic, but lets see. The tour info is in the 2001-present section so I've removed the now redundant 2008 section. --ThePaintedOne (talk) 13:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm a fan who didn't go to Rocklamoma and as I live in the UK didn't see much coverage of it either. Wikipeida presents everything as Neutral Point of View, that is one of the fouding priciples it is based upon, as is citing reputable sources, frankly the whole 'fell off a golf cart' thing isn't really notable anyway, even if you could cite sources. The fact that 'lots of fans know this happend' and someone puts a blurry picture on a blog does not make it of sufficient quality to put in an encyclopedia, in fact as I stated above wikipedia rules explicitly forbid it. Try reading some of the Wikipedia policies before you continue editing, otherwise you'll have this happen to you over and over again. Wikipeida is not a blog, or a music magazine, or somewhere for discussion of partisan events, I'd suggest starting with Neutral Point of View, What Wikipedia is Not, Notability and Verifiability. Incidentaly, a lack of edits on a page is often a sign that it is a pretty reasonable summary of its subject and needs none. Either that or the subject simply isn't doing very much that merits mention.
I have a life though and really can't be bothered to spend more time in an edit war with you, so if the irrelevent line on Brent's new band and a '2008' heading are that important to you, they can stay in till another editor comes alond and gets rid of them as inappropriate. However, the link to ticketmaster has been removed as it is both an advert and not a source.--ThePaintedOne (talk) 07:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

text: You consistently misunderstand the problems with what you are posting, it has nothing to do with how big a fan you are of FP, but whether what you are putting in is within wikipedia guidelines. The bar for entry to wikipedia is not just being factual, it is being notable and verifiable. I didn't say that the Rocklahoma incident wasn't notable, in fact if you read further up on the talk page you'll see I said precisely the opposite last year when I first edited this section. What I said was of questionable notabillity is the fact that Taime fell of a golf cart. I understand that this caused great amusement to the fans, particularly in light of what he'd said on stage (which incidentaly I think was way out of order and would stop me going to see his itteration of the band if they ever toured over here again). But what is amusing to fans or circulates on blogs is not necesarily notable for an encyclopedia. As for the ticketmaster ref, obviously they sell the tickets, thats why I removed the link as being an advert. A citation ref should be a link to a reputable third party source that verifies the event, of preference something like a news article from a respected magazine or newspaper, or a published book from a notable author (WP:VERIFIABILITY). You haven't even bothered to link to the relevent page of the ticketmaster site, you've just put up a URL to the Ticketmaster homepage, which doesn't reference anything to do with FP. Even if you did link to the correct page, the link would expire in a month or two and break your ref. Refs are not there to promote tours, or to make it easier for people to buy tickets, they are there to provide citations for facts. To this end, I've taken the two minutes necessary to find a news article referencing the tour and put that in as an alternative ref. This is from Blabbermouth who are very consistent with reporting on FP, leave thier news articles online for a long time and have been used as a ref on this page before.--ThePaintedOne (talk) 07:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Once again you misunderstand what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia is not a place to sell tickets or act as news source for fans. It is completely inappropriate to put a ticketmaster link in the article. Advert removed.--ThePaintedOne (talk) 08:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

text: You put in a link to a place that sells tickets. You are injecting just as much opinions. You need to cool down a bit and start taking yourself and this article less seriously, and start listening to others. --Regebro (talk) 22:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Communication requires that both parts are listening. You are not listening. --Regebro (talk) 15:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Sounds like a good next step. - Owlmonkey (talk) 20:19, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rocklahoma 2007 

message: Thanks so much Owlmonkey, Everything I provided is verifiable with facts to back up what I say. All my links are to legitmiate sites not fan sites. I think more than 1 fan should agree on whats important on this page. 1 Fan should not be monoplozing it like ThePaintedOne.
I didn't use "brutal" or "infamous" for the article which you stated I have.
I have read the article on the Jewish Holocaust on here and they use harsh words to describe that event,"brutal" everything can't be sugarcoated when it based on facts, there is no neutrality on the Holocaust, then you have unfactual page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sexygamesdice (talk • contribs) 20:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to comment on the discussion above, as requested, and that language was part of the discussion. In response to your specific points, context matters. If "brutal" was the accepted way among scholars to describe attila the hun's conquests for example, then an encyclopedia might include that; but only once it had become the de facto way of describing an event — when it goes beyond opinion into accepted fact effectively — but on an article like this? more likely it's opinion. as for ticketmaster, i don't see a link to that on Cher's article or her tour page articles, which does it appear on? the majority of the articles that refer to ticketmaster are linking to the Ticketmaster article, others use it as a citation, so there does not seem to be a precedent really to promote a particular for-sale product or event here. Otherwise the encyclopedia might have links on every product related article for where to buy it. - Owlmonkey (talk) 06:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: You included those terms with these edits. They were removed the next day by . But I'm glad to hear you agree that they were inappropriate and you removed them yourself elsewhere. The Cher article does not link to either the Ticketmaster article nor the ticketmaster.com web site, each time I've checked including just now. You're completely welcome to critique my effectiveness as a third party. - Owlmonkey (talk) 01:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Can't be him. Those edits are correctly spelled. (Not complaining about spelling, here btw. It's OK to add badly spelled things. Somebody else can always fix the spelling.) --Regebro (talk) 13:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm trying to stay out of this (presumably because I'm so busy pretending to be Owlmoney), but it is not really accurate to say you removed those words from the article. I removed them, which you complained about a little bit further up this page, and you the then declined to put them back in when reverting parts of the article. Not undoing my edit isn't exactly the same as removing them yourself. In fact I thought this was a rare example on this article of multiple editors working together to improve the copy within wiki guidelines.--ThePaintedOne (talk) 07:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC to end potential edit war 

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