Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season/Archive 28

message: Is it normal for there to be this many? It does take some scrolling to actually get to the discussions, especially on smaller screen resolutions.--WolFox (★Talk★) Contribs 18:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone's done so much at this place-many peer reviews+ rank+Wikiproject tag-no choice.HurricaneCraze32 19:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates at top of talk page 

message: Good work with the FAC; sorry I wasn't around to help out.  I have a couple of comments about the FAC discussion (linked at the top).
* U.S. hurricane damages, when listed as "adjusted for inflation" by the NHC, are actually adjusted using GDP deflation which multiplies by the relative per-capita GDPs of the nation at those years.  Thus, the request for an analysis of storm damages adjusted for GDP is already done (assuming you mean per-capita GDP: I think that's what the NHC uses).  Of course this won't help when comparing damages in other nations.
* Saying reliable records go back to 1965 is overly simplistic.  I would argue reliable (by today's standards) records only go back about 5 years.  Some 2005 storms like Vince and Subtrop 1 may not have been recognized decades ago, even with the help of satellite records.  The NHC only started naming subtropical storms ~3 years ago; in 1992 they knew so little about hurricanes they were fully 25 mph off in the estimation of andrew's strength.  That said, the HRD's re-analysis is extremely comprehensive, and fairly reliable records go all the way back to 1851 (ironically the period from 1965-1990 may have the least accurate records, since the re-analysis has not covered that period yet).
* I agree we have to do a better job giving a short definition of semi-technical terms (landfall, extratropical storm, subtropical ridge) embedded in the articles they are used in.
— jdorje (talk) 08:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC comments 

message: Here you are.
Top fatalities of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season	Top fatalities of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season	Top fatalities of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season	Top fatalities of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season
Rank                                                	Hurricane                                           	Fatalities                                          	
1                                                   	Hurricane Stan                                      	1620+ (80-100)                                      	
2                                                   	Hurricane Katrina                                   	1602+                                               	
3                                                   	Hurricane Rita                                      	119                                                 	
4                                                   	Hurricane Dennis                                    	89                                                  	
5                                                   	Hurricane Wilma                                     	62                                                  	
6                                                   	Tropical Storm Alpha                                	43                                                  	
7                                                   	Tropical Storm Gamma                                	41                                                  	
Main article: 2005 Atlantic hurricane season        	Main article: 2005 Atlantic hurricane season        	Main article: 2005 Atlantic hurricane season        	
Will this work the impact sections of those 7 articles and the main HurricaneCraze32
:I don't see the need for it. Sorry, but it's fairly redundant. Hurricanehink 15:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well at least brighten things up-or how about the other 2 which i fixed.HurricaneCraze32 19:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chart i made

message: How come this storm doesn't have an article? ~Silence_Knight
:Not enough info. We are treating it like a tropical depressions, which don't get articles either. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, what would we call it? CrazyC83 21:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unamed Subtropical Storm (2005).HurricaneCraze32 13:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unnamed Subtropical Storm article

message: I took a list for the past 55 years, 2005 should hold record for most category 1's.
 2005=7 (Cindy,Nate,Ophelia,Phillippe,Stan,Vince and Epsilon)
 2004=2 (Gaston and Lisa)
 2003=3 (Claudette,Danny and Erika)
 2002=1 (Kyle)
 2001=3 (Gabrielle,Noel and Olga)
 2000=4 (Debby,Florence,Gordon and Joyce)
 1999=0
 1998=3 (Ivan,Lisa and Nicole)
 1997=2 (Bill and Danny)
 1996=3 (Cesar,Dolly and Marco)
 1995=3 (Allison,Noel and Tanya)
 1994=2 (Chris and Gordon)
 1993=2 (Floyd and Harvey)
 1992=1 (Charley)
 1991=1 (Eight)
 1990=5 (Bertha,Josephine,Klaus,Lili and Nana)
 1989=4 (Chantal,Erin,Felix and Jerry)
 1988=1 (Debby)
 1987=2 (Arlene and Floyd)
 1986=3 (Bonnie, Charley and Frances)
 1985=4 (Bob,Claudette,Danny and Juan)
 1984=3 (Hortense,Klaus and Lili)
 1983=2 (Barry and Chantal)
 1982=1 (Alberto)
 1981=3 (Dennis,Emily and Katrina)
 1980=4 (Charley,Frances,Georges and Karl)
 1979=3 (Bob,Gloria and Henry)
 1978=2 (Cora and Kendra)
 1977=4 (Babe,Clara,Dorothy and Evelyn)
 1976=3 (Candice,Gloria and Holly)
 1975=2 (Blanche and Faye)
 1974=1 (Gertrude)
 1973=3 (Alice,Brenda and Fran)
 1972=2 (Agnes and Dawn)
 1971=4 (Two,Beth,Fern and Irene)
 1970=2 (Alma,Ten)
 1969=6 (Blanche,Gerda,Holly,Ten,Seventeen and Martha)
 1968=4 (Abby,Brenda,Dolly and Gladys)
 1967=4 (Arlene,Doria, Fern and Heidi)
 1966=4 (Becky,Celia,Dorothy and Lois)
 1965=2 (Anna and Elena)
 1964=0
 1963=2 (Cindy and Debrah)
 1962=0
 1961=1 (Jenny)
 1960=2 (Abby and Cleo)
 1959=5 (Three,Cindy,Debra,Flora and Judith)
 1958=2 (Fifi and Janice)
 1957=1 (Frieda)
 1956=2 (Anna and Flossy)
 1955=1 (Gladys)
 1954=3 (Alice[1],Florence,Alice[2])
 1953=1 (Gail)
 1952=2 (Dog and Easy)
 1951=2 (Item and Jig)
 1950=1 (Love)
Well?HurricaneCraze32 13:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about before then, especially in 1933? Icelandic Hurricane #12 14:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 33-2, 1887-5.HurricaneCraze32 23:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category 1 Record

message: The NHC has released its forecast verification for the 2005 seasons here (PDF). The figures at the end are interesting, the graph on page 49; which shows the intensity verifcation for non-landfalls says it all with the official 120 hour forecasts being completely unskilled. Its worth noting that in general 2005 was easier to predict in terms of track and harder in terms of intensity (the number of cat 5's is a major factor there). Katrina was the "average" storm in terms of the forecast quality.--Nilfanion (talk) 10:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forecast verification 

message: Why is hurricane Stan missing from the brief list of most destructive hurricanes in the beginning of the article, then described as being one of the two worst of the season a few sentences later.  If there is a reason, it should be made clearer. 67.51.147.201 14:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane Stan 

message: "ties for the number of storms forming during October with 1950, as seven storms (Stan, Unnamed Subtropical Storm, Tammy, Vince, Wilma, Alpha and Beta) formed during that period."
is an error-only 6 storms formed in October 1950.(How,Item,Jig,King,12 and Love).HurricaneCraze32 19:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're correct.  It seems that on April 11, you updated the list to include the unnamed storm, but didn't change the text from "tied" to "broken".  By the way, the above quote is on the stats page. --Spiffy sperry 14:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Error

message: 2005 will go down as the year of Hurricanes: 38 named tropical cyclones and 26 hurricanes, along with the very disasterous Katrina, and strong ones Rita and Wilma. 18 of these storms made landfall, 3 subtropical types went onto Europe where unusual hot summers took place and 6 postseasonal storms to have Greek letters, after NOAA ran out of names. This seems scary alright and what it could mean is global climate change, if not a temporary warming trend is a sign of what's to come. The 2006 hurricane season just started two months ago and currently, Tropical storm Chris is over the Bahamas about to become a hurricane and the storm heads west to Cuba, but what if Florida won't be as lucky? The article stayed on the topic of hurricanes, but should there be a small discussion included on whether global warming or sudden changes in ocean temperature is going to make the 2005 season to repeat itself forever? The risk of Atlantic hurricanes is higher, more stronger and frequency rates with a prolonged duration of the hurricane season, and let me add the U.S. Gulf and Atlantic coasts are more populated than in the past, so look out for more fatalities and damage costs. Meteorologists believe this may be the year when a category 3+ hurricane will strike the Northeast, with New York city a direct hit and New Englanders are due for a Wilma-like "perfect storm". I wonder that'll impact the southwest U.S.(see Eastern Pacific Hurricanes) where a tropical storm appears over the deserts or So. cal. Coast now and then, but the cold California current has warmed this past decade and the likelihood of a stray hurricane to land on California is unheard of. Then I have to admit we're entering a new "hot age" and we may have to prepare as much we can for more category 5 Katrinas slam onto the New York-New England region, or subtropicals with Greek letters on New Years' day. --Mike D 26 06:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's more of an argument for tropical cyclone, which does talk a little bit about this. However, it is also a bit of a stretch to say the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season will repeat itself, because the 2006 season looks normal so far. Titoxd(?!?) 07:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new trend in tropical and global climate? 

message: My calculations come out to 107.4 to 115.4 Billion (calculated 2 diffrent ways).3907 (2240 direct) deaths currently. Shall i edit that in?HurricaneCraze32 16:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. WP:NOR. NSLE 17:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How's that supposed help me?HurricaneCraze32 18:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Giving the damages to 4 sig figs is too much anyway. The damage of Katrina isn't certain to the nearest billion so giving it to that level of accuracy is misleadingly precise.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Damage and Death Total As of Now

message: Should we not put theese on as unused ?  87.74.89.61 15:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say no, because they were not on any original list; they were a backup. Letters A to W (except Q & U) are provided before the season has started, but the Greek letters were introduced as an emergency procedure once the original list was exhausted. Pobbie Rarr 21:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unused Greek Names

message: This was on NOAA's Images - Its a poster of the 15 hurricanes of 2005-can it go anywhere?MitchazeniaBob Barker's Retiring... 22:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Too low-res IMO. – Chacor 05:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New poster