Talk:Golden Shield Project

message: There are many sentences in the article that are fragmented and hard to follow...
- I can't make heads or tails of this in the first paragraph:
"It started in 1998, began the process in November of 2003, the first part of the project passed the national inspection on November 16, 2006 in Beijing."
- Under history, these need to be combined so it flows well:
"The Golden Shield project was started 1998. The first part of the project lasted three years, completed in 2006. The second part began in 2006. It will be finished in 2008."
- The appositive in this sentence is awkward/out of place:
"According to China Central Television (CCTV), up to 2002, the preliminary work of the Golden Shield Project cost US$800 million (equivalent to RMB 6,400 million or €640 million)."
- What does "this" refer to?  Also, that period at the end should be inside the quotes:
In September 2002, Li Runsen, the technology director at MPS and member of the Golden Shield leadership, further explained this broad definition to thousands of police nationwide at a meeting in Beijing called “Information Technology for China’s Public Security”.
- Most of the technical information bullets start with a fragment.  i.e. "IP blocking" is not a complete thought.
NOTE: I had to skip some of this due to time constraints.
- Jumping down to "Solutions," "Hosting Companies" is not a proper now so it shouldn't be capitalized.  Also, where is this "list" that is referred to in the same sentence?  It's probably better to provide a direct link than to refer someone relative to their current scrolling position.  Other services use Wikipedia that don't list anything which makes that statement misleading/irrelevant.
74.33.156.89 12:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You make China sound like the scourge of the world. I was born in China and I know its not at all as bad as you put it. People are mostly happy with their lives, not complaining that they can't see Playboy or listen to Voice of America. Like citizens in any other country, Chinese people don't really think their government is corrupt or horrible. If you insist that the Communist regime is so horrible, keep in mind that theres people that think the US is bad. Communism and Capitalism both has its good and bad points and I don't think that its fair to downplay Communism and praise Capitalism. Sure theres the Tiananmen Massacre, but what about the Tulsa race riot or segregation in the US? Prottos007 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 15:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article hard to follow. 

message: by putting a newspaper that is such well-known for its rumours making ability here to demonstrate what?
I do found it is very interesting that on every tags or articles that againest CCP, epochtimes always involved to be a vaild information source; however, the problem is, as a newpaper of Fa Lun Gong, can it be objective or not is really a questionable matter.
Ashes 15:23, 18th Sep 2007 (UTC)
: This is why I don't think western media is credible.  They are as mis-informed as they try to make China out to be.  24.222.96.138 (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epochtimes 

message: Why no mention of the involvement of companies such as Cisco in helping China to create and implement this system?
This has been well documented in many reputable publications.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22great+firewall%22+cisco+american+companies  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbozzo (talk • contribs) 09:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Involvement of foreign companies 

message: Why are Britain and USA fighing terrorism in the middle east when they should be taking down this disgusting breach of human rights? Lovefist233 (talk) 12:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: while i understand the sentiment, this is not a forum Gailim (talk) 02:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Because China has nukes and a large army. Actually doing anything is extremely likely to result in a much worse state than the current situation. 85.221.147.63 (talk) 10:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The US shouldn't be doing anything, either fighting Iraq or fighting the Chinese. The reason is quite complicated. While I understand what you are trying to say, please note that this is a discussion forum to improve the quality of this article, it is not a place for general discussion about the article's subject. Thank you for your understanding.--Faizaguo (talk) 16:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Why should the US or Britain fight EITHER Chinese Firewalls OR Middle-Eastern "terrorists"?  Enjoy the country you live in rather than sending soldiers to kill and be killed in a place you will probably never even go, and may have never even heard of. Ghost of starman (talk) 20:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: "Everything will show up if you search it but it will say page can not be displayed if you click it."
Sounds like a 14yo's blog entry. Is this formal for wikipedia? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs  04:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1st person? 

message: I believe that this section uses too much iffy language. I will remove the “according to BBC” and “probably” The former because whomever put that in the article should do a formal citation instead of a vague unverifiable reference, the latter because of it's pure iffyness. Oddly enough I believe that this page has NPOV problems against the Peoples' Republic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.22.44.165 (talk) 16:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've spent a good deal of the last 3 years in China, and Youtube was usually unblocked. Right now, however, it is blocked. This is the opposite of what is stated here. Bienfuxia (talk) 00:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unblocking 

message: That same year the Golden Shield project was started. The first part of the project lasted eight years, completing in 2006. The second part began in 2006. It will be finished in 2008.
2008 is now long gone -->If the second part is finished yet, this should be changed accordingly, if not, a new date (if available) should be mentioned. --Scartelak (talk) 14:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History should be updated 

message: This is not a way to bypass the "firewall":
"Software incorporating steganography such as Hacktivismo's Camera/Shy."
That's a way of hiding+encrypting content in html pages, (and finding encrypted+hidden content). That may aid if you want to comunicate with people securely.. But the "firewall" doesn't work like that, it filters the requests not the content (well, sometimes the content), but in that case using other software that allow secure communication (such as OTR, Simp, Fishy, etc..) is a most more secure AND easy way to communicate.
The others examples are OK. --Livingchina (talk) 18:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether or not it is a way to bypass the "firewall", isn't it a way to avoid the censorship which the "Golden Shield Project" entails? Or have I misunderstood? Also, the existence of more secure and easier methods has no bearing on whether this is a method. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bypassing.. 

message: I've already changed the title of this section from "Snail Oil," which I think was a misspelling on the part of the original contributor. However, what are the reasons that these services are "snake oil"? What makes them worse than a regular proxy?
Marsilies (talk) 02:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snake Oil Services 

message: I know this appears to be silly. However i just go ahaed...would someone from within China be able to provide some screenshots how it looks like if a site is blocked ? (with translation)(oh and perhaps with internet cafe environment in the background ?)
Because many people (like me) never seen something like this and it would make the whole topic more imageable. Just thinking journalist.
It probably just shows either a 404 error (not found) or a 403 error (forbidden). Charwinger21 (talk) 15:22, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshots 

message: Although the "Great Firewall of China" is very self-explanitory, it is an offence to the Chinese culture. Tying internet censorship which is preceived as a "bad thing" to the glorious Great wall is unacceptable. Who coined this term? I'm not even Chinese and I find this disturbing.
: "Great Firewall of China" is the most common term in reliable sources, so that's what we should use. "Offence to Chinese culture" and whether or not the "Great Wall" is glorious, is irrelevant as far as Wikipedia is concerned. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 18:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. In English it may be offensive. But when Chinese use it as 防火长城, GFW or Great Firewall, it is not felt much offensive. The abbr "GFW" also has appeared on Chinese official media. Sometimes Chinese authority and the departments for propaganda may prefer to use terms like "Great" (伟大的), "People's" (人民的) and something like these without feeling satirized. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia isn't censored, and is NPOV. Wikipedia doesn't give in to the demands of a particular group for censorship or change because it's not affiliated with them.Jasper Deng (talk) 21:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offensive Term 

message: Ok, so the psiphon software doesn't get much press mention. Do you think it belongs? Family Guy Guy (talk) 05:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psiphon 

message: The somewhat-recent  China vs. Google fiasco seems extremely important to this article. I'm Digitxpsp3 and I commented here! At: 22:34, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google's Un-blockage 

message: Now that this article, which was renamed from a title with a clear scope and contents ("Golden Shield Project") to a colloquialism that refers to internet censorship in China generally, in what way is this page distinct from the Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China article? Is there any reason why this article should not be merged into that more comprehensive article? Quigley (talk) 20:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This page's title is slang after all.Jasper Deng (talk) 22:08, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarifying scope 

message: I originally put this on the talk page of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_websites_blocked_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China
but haven't heard anything.
I live in Beijing. Have lived here for five years. Looks like the information is a bit out-of-date. For instance, I just checked Picasa Web Albums (https://picasaweb.google.com/home), and it worked for me. Same with zh.wikipedia.org. Likewise, my blog -- http://sujinyan.com/ -- which is a wordpress blog works just fine, so putting "All Wordpress-powered blogs are still blocked as of November 2011" isn't correct. docs.google.com is working for me as well.
The restriction of access to websites in China is a big deal, so I think folks should probably spend a bit of time to get the information on this page updated... and keep it updated. 
Perhaps some sort of table format, which sights the last time a page was checked? 
Also, perhaps saving screenshots of the messages that occur as proof?
Sujinyan (talk) 07:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live in Beijing, and willing to help 

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message: It doesn't look like merge proposer created a section discussing merger. I am against the merger as the articles can be of distinct topics: 
* Internet censorship in China - about internet censorship in general
* Golden Shield Project - about implementation of Golden Shield
* Great Firewall - about technicality of the blocking aspect
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