Talk:Halo 3/Archive 2

message: It never says in the cited article that the needler will not be dual weildable. Please do not post non-factual information. --Justaperson117 00:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needler

message: Swedish gaming magazine called LEVEL has a Halo 3 blowout, showing several new weapons, including a Brute Spiker, a Spartan Laser, and the Battle Rifle. These are confirmed please do not delete them. Peptuck 15:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep Bungie confirmed them  as being legit but they also don't want copyright troubles. I must admit they look cool:) James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 16:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Mongoose ATV is also featured, and nicknamed "Mini-Warthog".
Where is this alternate name for the Spartan Laser coming from? I haven't seen it in any confirmed media released thus far. until I can get a cite, I'm removing it. Peptuck 03:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I've replaced links to scans, they were already there but remove if copyright infringement. Also, someone should make a section for multiplayer and a section for singleplayer.. Sir Teh 21:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Why was the BR55 Battle Rifle deleted? Any reason? Superbowlbound 02:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: LEVEL Halo 3 Blowout

message: JAF1970 04:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1up 3 weeks

message: How it that the image used as a reference shows a spike grenade? There is a frag going off in the far left. There appears to be spikes coming off the warthog turret but I think they are just sparks. Has the article been translated into English and I missed something? James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 06:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, thanks, that thing is huge for a grenade. I just saw that you can see the person in the top right corner has thrown it (a red spartan). James086Talk | Contribs 04:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spike Grenade?

message: Does anyone have a official UNSC Designation for the Mongoose ATV that we could use in the Confirmed Elements section? Tonster 15:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mini-Warthog. LMAO JAF1970 21:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mongoose ATV UNSC Designation 

message: Added the pricing structure. JAF1970 18:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Image of the Legendary edition is here, but am unsure of the rights to the image. If someone gets the rights to post it, please do. JAF1970 20:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Doesn't matter. I listed what EB Games and Gamestop are charging. It's subject to change, sure, but...JAF1970 02:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halo 3 preorders have begun 

message: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154831 I'm too tired to update -- someone else sort out the stuff in this big news item. :) JAF1970 04:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's called a Man Cannon. Just because it's a silly name doesn't mean it's not real, and Bungie states it's the name they're going with.JAF1970 16:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Stop removing it. It's a real name for a real feature in the game. Don't like it? Contact Bungie and complain. Whether it's a vehicle or a catapult weapon is questionable -- if you want to categorize it as a weapon, fine, but it's both a weapon and a transport.JAF1970 17:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I just want to say i feel very strong right now for not snickering everytime i read the words Man Cannon WookMuff 06:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1UP corrects Halo 3 rumors 

message: Okay you guys got THREE days to add all this info in, or that's it, I will.
info 1 - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/743/743189p1.html
info 2 - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/742/742313p1.html
Zabrak 01:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, Zabrak, whatever would we do without you... ˉˉanetode╦╩ 01:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice finds. :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 03:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HALO 3 BLOW OUT INFO! YOU CAN THANK ME LATER!!!!!!!!!!!1111ONE 11!!1!ONE !!!111ONE!!!ONE!!111 

message: I'm re-adding the Wraith to the vehicle list, it was confirmed by Bungie yesterday.
"Posted: 11/2/2006 6:01 PM
 
Minus 12, huh? I guess that's what happens when one experiments with interactions between various things and the Man Cannon. 
I still need to see if I can get a wraith up there though. -Tom Achronos
Bungie.net Overlord"
darthbob 19:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have confirmation of this "combat knife" allegedly on the back of a spartan's leg? Also "Gas Warthog" is that supposed to be Gauss, is it confirmed? Spectre and double barreled shotgun? They have been added at the same time as the multiplayer maps. James086 Talk | Contribs 08:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vehicles and Weapons 

message: Whatever happened to the Drones? Have they been confirmed or not?
A Lone Gamer 10:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They haven't been confirmed but that doesn't rule them out of the game, but it does mean we can't add them to this article. James086 Talk | Contribs 05:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drones

message: Seriously, people. The "confirmed facts" and such is WAY out of hand. There are actually several pages of info there now, in a section that really shouldn't be there at all technically. I'm going to pare it down to the essentials. gspawn 04:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense.--SUITWhat?  42 04:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To explain some cuts and prevent hasty reverts... we don't need to quote the devs on every little thing- as in literally, stop quoting the devs. Most of the quotes didn't really do anything other than expound on simple info (new materials system = "zOMG j00 can zee it moves!", etc). If weapons are worth talking about, they're probably worth just adding to the list of confirmed weapons instead of talking about them. Etc. Things that are left are more-or-less significant bits, such as the recognition of the female audience through potential female voice additions, listing the price of the various SKUs, big plot details that even people outside the Halo fanverse might care about... this is an encyclopedia, not a fanboy one-stop-shop. You want a gaming site for that. End blurb. gspawn 04:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Also made some minor cuts to the release info- bits like old sections confirming guns were still in when we have a weapons section, some parts were unnecessarily paraphed, etc. The section could use some cuts (Halo 3 might not come out for another year and it's already getting too long), but it's my naptime. gspawn 04:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Article doesn't seem to be in too bad a shape right now, and several editors are keeping a close eye on vandalism and unconfirmed nonsense.  Any objection to removing the  tag? -- Satori Son 06:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally find that  can be pointless for a section/article of any length because it gives no indication of what the tagger found wrong. I removed the tag along with a big chunk of "The Ark" analysis that amounted to original research (you can't piece together observation-based "evidence" like that on Wikipedia to advance a point, even if it's credible), and tagged the "Other confirmed facts" section with  (should be rewritten as prose eventually and/or integrated into other sections). Other than that, there is a list-heavy section, but I'm not worried about that long-term, because, thinking long-term the entire article will need to be rewritten anyway after release. — TKD::Talk 07:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155227 
Bungie addresses fan complaints with Halo 3. 
by Luke Smith, 11.13.2006 
Zabrak 01:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed much of that post--you don't need to copy/paste the entire article; the link alone suffices (not to mention the article is most likely copyrighted). Ourai т с 02:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ANOTHER HALO 3 BLOWOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1ONE ONE ONE111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!!!! 

message: There are two distinct emblems on the side of the AR, as can be plainly seen in the Campaign screenshot. The Marathon emblem can be seen embossed on the rifle just above the trigger guard, while the glowing green power button is located further up the rifle. Do not claim that the Marathon logo is also the power button. - Jason, 4:10 EST
:And? This is fancruft, at best. Peptuck 02:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Assault Rifle Emblems

message: I might be wrong here, but the PS3 has been released, and Halo 3 hasn't. An edit of the section regarding this rumor needs to be made. Quadrius 19:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date Info 

message: Reference tags are acting kind of screwy. I've tried referencing a source on the plasma pistol, but when I use the <ref> tags it references an incorrect link. Can someone figure out what I'm doing wrong here? Peptuck 23:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the references need a going over. Some don't even link to anywhere. -th1rt3en 23:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have cleaned up one of them (reference number 3 ). I used the Web Cite which is what is advised for that sort of thing. I don't have time to go through right now, I will come back later and do some more, but there are quite a few so if more people could help that would be much appreciated. Simply putting  tags makes it a bit screwy but the citation templates work well (that's why they're used on featured articles). James086 Talk | Contribs 02:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference tags

message: Who deleted my post about the pre-order stuff? I hate when people do that! This is supposed to be a FREE discussion board. SO STOP DELETING OTHER PEOPLE's POSTS! So Im going to repost it, and this time dont delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gundam94 (talk • contribs) 
:I think that you are misunderstanding the purpose of the talk page. Talk pages are meant for discussing matters related to the Wikipedia article on the subject at hand, not necessarily the subject itself. There's a difference. Anyone caring to know about the three editions of Halo 3 can (or should be able to) find that info in the article itself. — TKD::Talk 22:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TKD is right.  When you get a chance, you should probably read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines to help prevent any further misunderstandings.  Thanks, Satori Son 00:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Post 

message: I understand the preorder thing, but shouldn't the enemies/allies page be listed as what we know about it so far, and change it accordingly if it would be wrong? I mean all we now are a few leaks and the knowledge gathered from the last game. It probably should be listed as how we KNOW it was until we KNOW if the Covenant turns.  Besides if they do turn, it would be a bad decision for them, because they wouldn't have ANY allies, plus the marines/spartans and the Covenent elites (Arbiter, Hunters, Jackals, Elites, and Grunts) both have the same goal(s): prevent the index from being activated, destroy the Flood, and destroy the Brutes and the Prophet of Truth. Leaving them as enemies would be guessing, listing them as allies would be better, because so far We KNOW they are on our side from last game. If you want a reference, play the last lvl of HALO 2.
and you spelled "for" wrong. 
DrakeKobra 22:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we did know that all Elite were on the Humans' side going into Halo 3, then it would be different. I haven't played Halo 2 in a while, but from what I can recall, the Elite-Brute Civil War did nothing to change relations between the Elite as a whole and humans. Granted, the Arbiter sided with Keys at Halo 2's end, but the Arbiter does not speak for his race as a whole. The thing is, we don't know enough about the plot of Halo 3 (or Halo 2, for that matter) to say for certain that all Elite are on the side of the humans. Sure, it would make perfect sense for them to be, but extrapolating information is not our job. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a Halo 3 speculation forum; we can only publish content that is factually true, as opposed to something that's likely to be true. (Besides, Bungie is known for its creative use of plot twists; speculating on Bungie is extremely hard to say the least, given their track record.) Ourai т с 22:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanx for answering my question about Preorder info, But... 

message: I guess you're right, but i thought the elites were on the humans side to keep the index from being activated. Wait, how do you know that the elites aren't on our side. it could be either way. ...starting to wonder about the benifits of an enemies page...
my COmputers starting to crash, might not post for a while...
 DrakeKobra 16:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmm 

message: ________
                                -~-|Cutscene|-~-
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   |                                                                      |
   |   Now back to the Arbiter, it's time to stop the key from turning.   |
   |   Tartarus must be stopped. However, he has locked himself in that   |
   |   structure. The Commander knows of one way to break through those   |
   |   doors however...                                                   |
   |                                                                      |
   ===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---
   ===============================
    - Your Ass, My Size-24 Hoof -
   ===============================
     >> Crush any Brutes in your path.
You start off with a few choices. You can either take the Wraith, Spectre, or
a Ghost that will engage you up ahead. For starters, I chose the Wraith for 
its superior firepower and the fact that I utterly despise the Spectre. 
Anyway, begin to move through the area following your Commander. Various 
Brutes will appear in Ghosts. Hijack one if you'd or like or blast the crap 
out of all of them. Move your vehicle through the forest floor taking down any
Ghosts that get in your way....
Have your team of newly escaped Elites and Hunters help you knock out the
remaining Brutes. With the Hunters help, they should be easily killed off.
The door will lead you into another hallway which in turn, leads you to the
platform with the Scarab. However, there are numerous Brutes here which need
some schooling. Surprisingly, there are Marines here... to help you! The
Scarab is just ahead...
You are the arbiter; read last paragraph ( surprisingly there are marines here... TO HELP YOU!)
FULL WALKTHROUGH
(http://faqs.ign.com/articles/571/571758p1.html)
 (for references look for The Great Journey)
....*Now that Tartarus has died the horrible death, and the perimeter is secure,
    Daughter Keyes leaps onto the center platform and pulls the Icon out of the
    launcher. Disaster averted. The Halo abort sequence is initiated, and a
    small explosion results. Another twist is added to the story. Because of
    the abort sequence being initiated, the Halo ring has split into several
    different subsections, each which can be remotely detonated aboard the
    Forerunner ship. Oh boy. The Arbiter joins with the Marines to help fight
    off the chance of a threat.*
- From here on, the credits display showing the entire Bungie staff and 
associates responsible for Halo 2. Afterwards, if you wait, another movie is 
shown....
 The Arbiter JOINS with the Marines to help fight
    off the chance of a threat!
If you notice this happens at the end of the game, signaling that at least for a while, the Covenant elites ( not brutes) are on OUR SIDE.
(http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox/file/halo_2_h.txt)
FULL Walkthrough (look for great Journey)
There's my proof!
(For now computer is back up but not for long...)
DrakeKobra 21:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  If you want physical proof of COvenant Alliance, read this 

message: # Why are there still sections about rumors that have been confirmed/denied? (The PS3 release Halo 3 release, The different assault rifle, and others)
# Why are the new machmaking elements not covered? The new system is based on both a skill, and experience ranking
# Why is nothing said about the new ability to have a call sign?
# Has no one read 1up's Halo 3 super article!!??!!
I'm just saying there are some GLARING ommisions in this article. I'd fix it myself, but i forget my Wikipedia account. Someone fix it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.154.77.164 (talk • contribs) 17:55, November 29, 2006  
:Confirming or denying things is not as easy as one might think; it's not like we can ask Bungie, rather, we have to wait until they release information. Callsign and matchmaking are still very much, as Bungie said, under development; it would be foolish to add them as facts when they haven't been hammered out yet. And yes, most Halo 3 fans have probably read 1UP's article [note several headings above this]; however, the article didn't actually tell us that much new stuff; it just confirmed a whole lot of rumours and suspicions. Ourai т с 00:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HELP! 

message: Surprised to see that none of the new screenshots for Halo3 aren't even posted, still seing the same old ones.--Ripster40 22:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Official Australian Xbox Magazine are calling the release date "April 2007 (TBC)" in their Christmas issue. You might want to consider changing the release date, fellahs. OAXM have never been wrong yet. ThirdEchelon 11:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have read OAXM a few times, I wouldn't trust a release date unless it's directly from bungie because magazines are known for adding release dates to their articles when they are unfounded estimations. Especially if OAXM is the only source, it seems highly unlikely that it is confirmed. I recommend waiting for another source and not adding it to the article yet. James086Talk | Contribs 13:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Doesn't the word OFFICIAL mean anything? Bungie works for Microsoft, Microsoft hands out the word official, seems like a proper chain of command to me? WookMuff 08:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The word "OFFICIAL" means very little when it comes to mags. If it was offical why do they have "TBC" after the the date (To Be Confirmed), and why would a fairly minor mag (in world terms) like OAXM break the story when Microsoft/Bungie could make a big song and dance about it (MTV etc...)? I'd wait for a better source before taking time off work :) vortex 04:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with the bit about a minor magazine, but I'm assuming that they got the date from the OXM World Network, and that is a pretty major network. Oh, and I'm *ahem* self employed. I consider this part of my work. :) ThirdEchelon 22:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Update 

message: On a Halo 3 picture, if you look at the left rear wheel of a warthog it says "PUMA". Red Vs Blue fans would know what I am talking about.
Just got it. http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?pager.offset=3&mt=0&cId=3144308&mId=3090602 There you go.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.30.166 (talk • contribs) 18:11, December 2, 2006
:Interesting. Here's a higher resolution image (absurdly high, in fact). The letters PUMA do indeed appear in the rear left wheel, on the inside, where the tread meets the engine assembly. It's interesting to note this. Bungie's approval of RvB continues to manifest itself. Ourai т с 00:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the other thing it says (just to the right of PUMA), I can't see what it says exactly. It may just be a serial number or something. Any suggestions? It might be a bit like the AYBABTU in the original Halo, very hard to read but worth it, then again, it could be nothing. James086Talk | Contribs 05:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So just a serial number or something along those lines. Oh well. James086Talk | Contribs 06:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bungie made a RVB reference. Possibly something more? 

message: ON the picture of the Spartan Anti vehicle weapon underneath where it says danger it says "Darn Live Wires".
What the heck does that mean?
DrakeKobra 14:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Danger Live Wires" actually. Means a warning that there's a high-voltage current running through wires that can electrocute you. Peptuck 05:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spartan Anti vehicle weapon 

message: Hopefully, Bungie will also post the ad on their site for screen capturing. JAF1970 03:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done. Ourai т с 03:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Halo 3 ad up on Marketplace

message: although the article says it, i'm pretty sure that the masterchief is holding a shotgun.  i have watched it many times on my tv because i recorded it, and i am quite sure it is a shotgun he is holding in the new trailer.  perhaps this should be changed.  
-jrass820 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jrass820 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's clearly an assault rifle. If you look at Bungie's screencap of the trailer, you'll see the distinctive foregrip, as well as the slightly elongated muzzle. Compare with Halo's AR and Halo's shottie. Ourai т с 04:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  assault rifle in the new trailer? 

message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp3odmhwlRQ I'd add it to the page but it's protected. Can a user please add it on? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.34.30.166 (talk) 04:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: we don't link to youtube. BrokenSegue 04:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have Capture Professional. Took the shot of Master Chief and his Shield Grenade. When the HD version of the ad is released, I'm sure someone will put a higher quality pic up. JAF1970 04:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: OMG HALO 3 COMMERCIAL

message: I've gone over the ad several times - and I can't hear Johnson's voice anywhere. It's listed as one of the voices in the article, but all I hear are Cortana, the girl from the grassy scene and two other male voices, neither of which sound like him. One of them is probably Stacker, but without confirmation it should still read "two voices". As for Johnson, he's nowhere. Bronzey 06:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Listen to the audio in the commercial; at 0:33-035, Johnson can be heard. Peptuck 06:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: There's emphasis on the "Chief" at the end of "Any sign of the Chief?" that makes me think he's Johnson. It has that unique David Scully articulation going on. Peptuck 09:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Johnson in the ad

message: Whoa, just realized the little girl has Cortana's voice, just a little higher pitched. :o JAF1970 18:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? Can you back this up with actual evidence or are you making stuff up? Peptuck 22:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The assumption is that the girl is Dr. Helasey (or whatever her name was) who was used as the human template for the Cortana AI, and that the boy is John as a kid. Though I suppose it might be possible, there is no way to confirm this without consulting Bungie directly (which would be WP:OR anyway). Best not to make any conclusions as to who the kids are, and just assume--for now--that they're random people. Besides, no one said the ad was supposed to be canon. Ourai т с 22:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone else speculated it could be Kelly (Spartan 114) JAF1970 00:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Um, you realise Dr. Halsey is 20 or 30 years older than John? There's no way that was her. Bronzey 00:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So? It's a dream/fantasy, not a flashback. Who says it's a real memory? JAF1970 01:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have to point out that the Covenant and Earth were at war for decades. How old is the Master Chief?  Earth met the Covies in 2525, Halo takes place c. 2552. It's possibly the Chief is older than thirty and that makes sense, but there's way too much guesswork. My bet is that if they were supposed to be someone, Bungie woulda told us. David Fuchs 20:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cortana, little girl?

message: Judging from the wheels that got blown off the flipped-over vehicle behind Master Chief, the vehicle is more likely to be the ATV rather than a warthog as mentioned in the Halo 3 wiki article.
Can someone confirm? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.138.191 (talk) 21:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at this screencap; it's definitely a Hog. Also, watch the trailer again--the wrechage is too large to be from a Mongoose. Ourai т с 21:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Both vehicles are present; the Mongoose is behind the Chief while the Warthog is in front of him. Peptuck 22:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. After watching the trailer, frame-by-frame, again, 160.39 seems to have a point. This image, a self-uploaded screenie of the trailer, shows the wreckage, upside down, of a Mongoose; note the foot pedals, wheels, etc. However, earlier in the ad, it seems to be a Warthog. Has Bungie pulled a fast one? Or am I missing something? Ourai т с 22:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: [edit conflict]] Strange. When the camera does a 360 of MC's head while he's still "out of it", I can see neither vehicle nor wreckage of either. Ourai т с 22:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  They are both in there. At the begining, the warthog is behind him. When he grabs the gun then turns to face the morter, the warthog is behind him to the left and out of camera view. The mongoose is revieled in front of him to the right, shortly before it is destroyed.TheSittingDuck 22:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  TheSittingDuck has it right. Master Chief is thrown from the Warthog and winds up less than 10 scale-feet away. He turns away from the Warthog to retrieve the Assault Rifle, and at this point is facing the general direction of the Mongoose ATV which is more than 10 scale-feet away. When the camera pans out, the Warthog is obscured from view on the left-hand side of the shot. Amalga 18:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Warthog or ATV in the Ad?

message: I noticed that the Master chief might no longer have the mysterious hammer space that every game charater has
and a probable explanation for where they might go.
points of evidance:
The Master chief is seen with more then one weapeon
A Sheild bomb, A Pistol and a Rifle
Now if you watch and listen closely you can see that the Master Chief places his Rifle on his back along with a sort of magnet sound which might point to weapons that you pick up ingame might always be visible on your back.
i'd just thought i write about it because no-one has yet
:Yes, Bungie has confirmed that already. Small weapons like pistols and SMGs will go in holsters, bigger ones on MC's back. Bronzey 02:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I do think we should be allowed to carry dual weapons given the new holster system, this is correct. There's absolutely no word pointing to 4 weapons so far. And even if we did get 4 guns, that would still just be 2 "slots"- only with both slots now being able to hold dual wieldables, potentially.75.7.195.17 17:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headline text 

message: Sorry but there are 13 brutes not 12 in the picture on the halo 3 article so someone should correct the mistake. Spartan282 04:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I count fourteen, including the Hammer wielder. The fourteenth one is easy to miss; if you go to the frame where MC jumps off the cliff, with the camera following from behind, you'll catch a glimpse of him (it?) on the far right next to the Wraith. Ourai т с 06:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  13 brutes not 12 

message: Okay, this has nothing to do with editing the page, but check this out - apparently Mad World fits perfectly with the Halo 3 ad as well lol Mad Ring World JAF1970 15:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Halo 3 Mad World

message: Yea, I'd like to know what this "General-Purpose Machine Gun" is. I think the SMG is the only machine gun in the game. Also why are things seen in the CGI commercial being added as weapons? I don't think some hammer some guy has should be in weapons, a long with a shield. Unless there are valid sources for believing this of course.--Silent Xenocide 21:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the advertisement itself not count as a "valid source"? A gravity hammer is a weapon, yes? And a new section does not need to be created just for one extra shield feature. Removing these from the article is not acceptable, as they are present and irrefutable content. Until we receive word that they are not going to be in the game, we should keep them. Peptuck 08:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: What makes it a gravity hammer? A brute is holding it? Does that mean they are special brute wraiths, that brutes use? As far as I can see, until Bungie says its a gravity hammer, it is a special brute ornamental glove, and doesn't belong in confirmed weapons. WookMuff 11:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Here's a hint: that it looks exactly like Tartarus' Gravity Hammer? I suppose those weapons the Brutes are wielding aren't spikers, just because we haven't gotten confirmation that they are't silly-string launchers being fielded by the Brute Happy Dance Corps that just happen to look exactly like spikers? What about the pistol the Chief is wielding, I suppose it might not be an M6D even though it bears a strikingly similar resemblence to the M6D right down to sight and trigger guard. The weapon the Brute leader is wielding is a Gravity Hammer. I'm adding it back in until Bungie says its something else or says it won't be in the game. Peptuck 14:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Addendum: I've modifieid the hammer entry to say that it is simply a "Brute hammer" that resembles the Fist of Rukt used by Tartarus. Until we get more information, we don't know what its name it, what capabilities it has, or even if it usable by the player. Peptuck 14:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no issue with brute hammer, because thats what is shown, a hammer held by a brute. I just have an issue with adding a specific weapon based on a split-second viewing in what can't be the best of circumstances (unless you have a way better clip than I) WookMuff 16:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It could have always just have been put into the section about the commercial. I don't think that something should be included in the weapon section unless it is actually confirmed to be in the game. After all that whole section is called 'Confirmed Elements'. Just because some random Brute in a CGI commercial holds a hammer, does not mean it will be in the game. Just like it is pretty obvious that a Plasma Rifle will be in the game, but I don't see this in the weapons section. But oh well.--Silent Xenocide 04:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's just bungie being awkward, I read that too, they didn't rule it out but didn't confirm it as being "in game" they just said that the advert was "not gameplay". As for the machine gun, what about the assault rifle? That's fully automatic. James086Talk | Contribs 11:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a difference between a machinegun and an assault rifle. At the very least, in gameplay terms, the machinegun is a mounted turret while the AR is portable. Peptuck 14:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some questions regarding the weapons... 

message: Look, there will be a beta yes, but that will only open this month. As for the demo is SPRING, that will actually be a public download on the xbox live marketplace. Dragong4 01:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh my god you people have it ALL WRONG 

message: It needs to be noted that the young boy is John, aka Master Chief, this is the first time we have ever seen his face regardless of age. This is known because its the chief who hears the little girls voice echo in his head. Also the little girl whispers to the chief, "Time to go." which is followed by Cortana saying "Chief, leave!" and then Sargent Johnson saying, "Chief?" these need to be added to the article entry, these all take place before the "I think we lost him." The little girl in the beginning could also be one of the female spartans mentioned in the books. Also on a side note as far as the "new" chieftan is concerned it is possible that Tartarus never died, as this is never seen in the end of Halo 2, and the Gravemind could have caught him like he did the Arbiter and the Chief. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Optronix (talk • contribs) 13:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't add it to the article unless it is confirmed. Bungie has not confirmed if the boy is John, even after being specifically asked see here. Although I have no doubt that you are correct, we can't add it to the article because it is speculation. James086Talk | Contribs 13:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note, it seems that the trailer most likely takes place entirely on Earth, and Master Chief never set foot on Earth (so far as has yet been revealed). Cheif was born on a colony world, and lived on Reach until much later in life (circa Halo 2, in fact- he'd probably never been to Earth before that). Also, Fall of Reach explicitly says Chief was the largest and toughest kid among his playmates- the kid in the trailer isn't especially big or tough-looking. There are many reasons to think Chief isn't the kid in the trailer. Not the least of which is that IT'S PROBABLY A **** METAPHOR, PEOPLE! EVERY BOY ON EARTH *IS* CHIEF BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL FIGHTING FOR HUMANITY'S FUTURE AND [/you get the idea- use your imagination a bit].75.7.195.17 17:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It really does look like a simple embodiment of irony. The kids are wondering what is out there, even going so far as wanting to find out. Lo and behold, they find out and are far from pleased.Though, it could also be speculated that these kids are on a pre-glassed Harvest. Harvest was the first human colony that had a recorded Covenant attack. It's unlikely that the boy in the video is John--he looks at least eight years old, and by the time John had reached that age he'd be well into training (and well enough versed by Deja on orbital confrontation). I think they are just civilian children in the pre-Covenant era. Amalga 16:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ESPN Trailer