Talk:Bais Yaakov

message: "although some claim that the educational philosophy differs slightly from that of the original Bais Yaakov schools." This is a very vague statement.  Who claims this, and how do "they" claim it differs? Jayjg (talk) 04:35, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim 

message: Is there any editor out there who has any information to start an article on Sarah Schenirer? I have been looking for any information on her life and career, and have not had much luck. Anyone who is able to, please initiate an article on Wiki. Thank you. 66.108.107.224 17:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarah Schenirer 

message: Redaktor, what exactly is your problem with my edit? Half of the article is OR. If you delete my addition again, then I feel compelled to delete all other OR also. Provide references for anything you want to stay in this article. --Rabbeinu 13:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR 

message: I have renamed the article to "Beis Yaakov" with an "e" instead of an "a", because
# "Beis Yaakov" is the correct spelling according to Hebrew grammar, while "Bais Yaakov" is simply incorrect in this case. This is called "smichut" in Hebrew grammar.
# A Google search shows that "Beis Yaakov" is almost four times as widespread as "Bais Yaakov". Debresser (talk) 01:51, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the spelling change is misguided.  Current google search puts "Bais Yaakov" with about 8,000 more hits if you enclose the words in quotation marks, and schools in the English-speaking world generally spell it "Bais." The Bais Yaakov convention spells it Bais, for example.  Bais vs. Beis is phonetics and has nothing to do with smichut; are you pronouncing "Bais" as "Bayis" in your head, perhaps? 71.141.241.147 (talk) 02:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. So that makes "two votes" against Debresser's "one" -- he loses by his own "rules" and this article will be moved back to its original long-standing name. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 07:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: Looking over this arbitrary change by Debresser, from Bais Yaakov (with an "a" in "Bais") to Beis Yaakov (with an "e" in "Beis") it is appalling that he can over-ride the WP:CONSENSUS that is evident in this article's edit history that shows that since this article's creation in 13 December 2004 , (until it was changed by Debresser ACTING ALONE without any attempt at drawing in discussion, even at WP:TALKJUDAISM) in  2009, that lasting for 5 (yes, FIVE) years, with over 40 (yes FORTY) editors (excluding anonymous edits) having contributed over the years, not one saw fit to make a change to the name alone and thereby created an enormous WP:CONSENSUS for the original spelling. The article's name is not just guided by the invocation of an obscure "rule" from Hebrew (that is not the point here) but it defies common usage where in the largest English-language Orthodox community that is in the USA, not a single school uses the "Beis Yaakov" spelling and almost all use "Bais Yaakov" (with an "a"). In the UK some schools do use the "Beis Yaakov" name but it was always secondary in this article. Therefore, the change should never have been made. The point may be relatively minor, but when a serious topic is concerned that concerns Orthodox Judaism, one editor acting as a "loan ranger" cannot and must not and should not act as the chief judge, jury and lord high executioner. Otherwise what's to stop him from deciding tomorrow that the "correct" version should be Beis Yaacov (as some spell it with a "c") or Bet Ya'akov or Beit Yaakov (in modern Hebrew), or Beth Jacob (the truly correct English name) etc, just to absurdly and dramatically "prove" that he can change names with all sorts of "discoveries" and "rationales" all of his own based on obscure "grammatical" rules. This pattern of behavior defies the simple logic and need of if it ain't broke, don't fix it. See a similar situation now being discussed at Talk:Musar movement#Musar or Mussar. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 07:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't know Hebrew grammar you should be ashamed, rather than advertise the fact. Look up smichut (status constructus) in a grammar book. And certainly you should not mix into discussions if you don't know the subject matter. Debresser (talk) 08:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  IZAK, why can't you just let people say their say. You don't have to reply to everybody who disagrees with you. Debresser (talk) 17:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Debresser: This is the way it works on Wikipedia, and that is how discussions unfold and ideas are exchanged. It's a lot better than your arbitrary sneaky changes behind people's backs and then telling people to shut up if they don't agree with your volatile moves. Hypocrisy at work again and you need to stop it. IZAK (talk) 05:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Bais Yaakov or Beis Yaakov

message: Name should be Bais Yaakov :
*Support, for the reasons cited above, this was always the accepted name of the article. IZAK (talk) 07:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  IZAK, why can't you just let people say their say. You don't have to reply to everybody who disagrees with you. Debresser (talk) 17:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Debresser: This is the way it works on Wikipedia, and that is how discussions unfold and ideas are exchanged. It's a lot better than your arbitrary sneaky changes behind people's backs and then telling people to shut up if they don't agree with your volatile moves. Hypocrisy at work again and you need to stop it. IZAK (talk) 05:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed name B'''a'''is Yaakov vs B'''e'''is Yaakov

message: it's absolute rdiculous to call to this article 'bais yaakov'. as an israeli and language-speaking of Hebrow, it is simple mistake. in the origin verse on the bible it is spelled 'beit yaakov', and in Ashkenazi Hebrew it is Beis. you can see in the Hebrow version Of this article.
אם יש פה מישהו שדובר עברית:
שם הערך כפי שהוא עכשיו הוא פשוט חוסר הבנה או ידיעה של כללי הדקדוק העבריים.
נכון ששם העצם המקורי הוא 'בית' שמאוית כ-bait
אבל בסמיכות לשם עצם אחר זה הופך להיות beit.
זה מופיע ככה בתנ"ך ובכל מקום אחר אפשרי.
Rekp (talk) 08:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right in Hebrew, but in America, Bais Yaakov schools don't agree with you. Yoninah (talk) 11:51, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  bais yaakov 

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