Talk:Deborah Kerr

message: I thought Deborah Kerr was nominated for Best Actress for her role as Terry McKay in "An Affair To Remember", if I'm not mistaken. Lastcharlie 18:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Check her IMDb page showing her awards. She was Oscar nominated (without a win) for Edward, My Son (1949), From Here to Eternity (1953), The King and I (1956), Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison (1957), Separate Tables (1958) & The Sundowners (1960). All as Best Actress in a Leading Role. -- SteveCrook 20:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oscar Nomination query

message: There seems to be have been considerable speculation on why Deborah Kerr has been considered or not for certain British honours. However the decision to award or not has nothing to do with whether the person is 'retired' or not. Politicians, on retiring from public service, are regularly honoured. So it is inappropriate for individuals to insert their personal theories as to why this or that award has been made. I have removed this and left the facts only- that she holds a CBE.--134.36.64.135 22:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Honours

message: I removed a section discussing her film nudity as it provided false and inaccurate information.  According to the obit on cnn.com,  "She refused to play a nude scene in The Gypsy Moths, released in 1968. It was when they started that 'Now everybody has got to take their clothes off,' she said. My argument was that it was completely gratuitous. Had it been necessary for the dramatic content, I would have done it.  In fact she undressed for The Arrangement, even though the scene was later cut. There the nude scene was necessary, husband and wife in bed together, Kerr said. That was real."  See 
Note: The text of the article at present says that Kerr's nude scene was for "The Apartment" when it should be "The Arrangement" as stated here above. Someone should correct that in the article. I'm not familiar with the ways of Wikipedia enough to risk it myself. Just wanted to point out the mistake.
Deborah Kerr did shoot a nude scene in the The Gypsy Moths - just watch the film and you'll see it for yourself or look her up on Google for the screenshot photos. The evidence is there. Tovojolo 11:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are sources for each side, so I've presented both. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Film Nudity

message: Deborah was born in Glasgow, not Helensburgh. She was brought up in Helensburgh, but was NOT born there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.43.11 (talk • contribs) 
This is true if one is quite technical and it is what maddened me when I visited Helensburgh and later befriended local resident David Bruce.
It seems that after the Scottish Film Centenary, a call was put out to honor Scottish film folk and Deborah was high on the list.  A plaque was commissioned to honor her and another Helensburgh native Jack Buchanan.  But some ridiculous town naysayers denied Deborah's link to the town by saying she was actually born in a hospital in Glasgow.  This was true, but after her birth she was brought home to the family home in Helensburgh, where she spent her early years.  
It is to her parents' credit that they desired the best medical care for her entry into this world and went to a major medical facility.  This was the early 1920's.  But because she was not midwifed in a small town does not break her ties to that community.  An article about my visit and dismay was written in the Helensburgh weekly newspaper under the title of "Deborah Kerr, the Burgh's Forgotten Star."  Indeed, as I mentioned in the piece, the town gets more from the association with her than a world class star such as Deborah Kerr would be afforded by connection to the citizenry of such a small hamlet.
But the idiots actually demanded that a new plaque with only Jack Buchanan's name be crafted and the original plaque is in the home of David Bruce, who joined forces with me to get her a royal honour.
It was nonsense all around, considering the notices on walls, such as "George Washington Slept Here."  I even saw such a plaque about Benjamin Franklin having visited a building in Zurich.  People will normally lay claim to even the slightest involvement with an individual to upgrade a town or city's status.   So, to thus insist that Deborah Kerr was not really from Helensburgh is small minded, though interestingly when she got the Oscar, David Bruce wrote that the town was all agog.  Finally! 
Michael Russnow Andymickey 00:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to her obituary in the The Herald: "The daughter of a civil engineer, she was born Deborah Jane Kerr-Trimmer in 1921 in a nursing home in Glasgow. She spent her earliest years in Helensburgh, routinely cited as her place of birth." I have added this information to the article and provided the link.204.126.251.49 23:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth Place

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This article contains a "recent death" tag, which some might consider as a sign that stability in the article has not been achieved. While I do not personally agree with this, I the article has enough flaws that, when combined with a potential stability issue, merit a fail rather than a hold. Here are some of the most pressing issues with the article:
#The article needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Specifically, it must touch upon every major point made in the article and not contain any facts that are not present in the body of the article. The lead, as it currently stands, fails on both counts.  Tovojolo 09:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: Removed from the article. Please add it back when you have verifiable references. Please see WP:OR and WP:NPOV on why we cannot have it in the article. 
The greatest honour we can do for Deborah Kerr on Wikipedia is to get her article first to GA Status and then to FA Status – we cannot do that with unreferenced data. Thanks, Tovojolo 22:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Honours

message: The article leaves open-ended the following: Did she and her husband both move to England to be near her children, or did Kerr move and leave Viertel behind in Switzerland?204.126.251.49 23:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failing health and move to England 

message: I understand that Mr Granger claimed this happened, in his autobiography, and instead of removing the entire sentence I have changed the word "revealed" to "claimed" in the Personal Life section. As I had pointed out in my reason for editing, it is a claim by ONE man! There is no independent information produced by anybody as yet to back up his claims. Therefore it is only proper to alert the readers of this article that it should only be seen as such. To call it a "revelation" is to call what had alledgedly happened to be true. People can claim anything in their autobiographies. If there is coroberating evidence to support Stewart Granger's claims then by all means provide it in the article. Tabloid-like phrasing that alludes to something that may or may not have happened, does not belong here. WikiphyteMk1 (talk) 07:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One version of her reply was "He should be so lucky." Valetude (talk) 13:28, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: RE: Stewart Granger/Deborah Kerr Affair

message: "the Scottish pronunciation of her surname usually sounds like "care""? (No, it does not! And I am Scottish so I think I should know. It is pronounced as you would the German word 'Herr'.) Possibly the two words sound similar if pronounced by someone with a very strong Received Pronunciation accent, with the rolled "r" sound omitted and the "e" and "a" sounds barely distinguishable, but this sounds nothing like the Scottish pronunciation of Kerr: . Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usual pronunciation of Kerr 

message: I've just made a few minor edits of the DK page, including correcting her birth name to simply "Deborah Jane Trimmer" - see the Helensburgh article ref. 2 for confirmation.
And I've added that she only adopted "Kerr" on becoming a film actress  - see Eric Braun's biography, ref. 13, for confirmation.
The story from Braun is that Kerr was the maiden name of the maternal grandmother of her grandfather Arthur Kerr Trimmer (1861-1926).  But I've been researching the family history (my mother was a 2nd cousin of DK), and I'm fairly sure the grandmother in question was one Sarah Spendiff (ca. 1791-1877) from Kent.  So I don't know where Arthur Kerr Trimmer got the "Kerr" from - maybe a relative, maybe not. If anyone knows, please chip in!
So perhaps her Scottish connection is only that she lived there from birth to age 3, in which case it might be more accurate to refer to her as Scots-born rather than Scottish.
PS She did have Scottish ancestry through her grandmother Mary Jane Dodgin (1864-1961), with whom her family lived after her father's death in 1937. Mary Jane's maternal grandfather was the sea-captain Robert Ellis (1816-94), born in North Leith, and his mother was Christy Mackenzie, born in 1792 on the farm near Tain that is now the Glenmorangie distillery - you can't get much more scottish than that!. But this only contributes 1/16 of Deborah Kerr's ancestry, and it doesn't explain where the name Kerr fits in.
(Dmollison (talk) 13:46, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Deborah Kerr scottish? 

message: the last sentence is outdated. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  personal life 

message: I have edited the article a few times, and mostly the edits have stuck, as I provided specific, factual information which helped to clarify details of her life and significance.  Recently, I changed Scottish film, theatre and television actress to Scottish-born, indicating in my reasons that the appellation Scottish actress was not only inaccurate but limiting, as if she were an actress who primarily worked in Scotland.  It has been repeatedly removed by someone, who will not reveal his/her name or give a reason, so I have undone the change each time, in the last instance adding the words internationally known, the phrase now reading "Scottish-born internationally known film, theatre and television actress."
This is accurate and descriptive, whereas to announce her at the beginning of the article as a Scottish actress in those fields is patently untrue.  Unlike Ingrid Bergman or Greta Garbo, who became international film stars, they were in fact Swedish actresses, also appearing theatrically in their countries, as did Simone Signoret perform in France.  Deborah Kerr's career began in England, where her film career blossomed until she was brought to the States by MGM.  To my knowledge, she never worked in Scotland, unless perhaps one of her films had scenes shot there or she might have toured in a play when she resumed her stage career.  So, to continually reference her as a Scottish actress, presumably and only due to her birth and early childhood there, would be akin to referring to Vivien Leigh as an Indian actress or Olivia de Havilland and Joan Fontaine as Japanese actresses, because that's where these actresses were born.  Or perhaps detail Audrey Hepburn as Belgian, though why she's referred to as British in Wikipedia is beyond me.   Even if she were a citizen of that country she didn't live there until she was a young woman and was never considered a British actress anymore than Liz Taylor was a British actress, though she was born in London to American parents.  Anyway, I do believe that common sense should prevail and, although Wikipedia seems to permit people to continually edit these articles as they wish, there ought to be some oversight by the powers that be over such matters.  Andymickey (talk) 07:16, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deborah Kerr was Scottish-born, not a Scottish Actress 

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