Talk:Labana

message: Some one should change the title of this page from Labana to Sikligars. This article is misleading. Most of it's info is on Sikligars, then labana's.
:Well Info are almost same as of lobanas and of silkigars to
Yahh there is nothing true written on lubana community this is totally misleading 9878Gur (talk) 22:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
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message: Please provide valid refrence. The links to sikhiwiki are not valid since they too have too have no refrences. I have added footnotes with links to actual research on these people. Thanks --Sikh-history 12:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: Refrences

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message: Labana (Muslim traditions) in Pakistan - Population 12,000 - Largest Religion Islam (100.00%) - Main Language: Punjabi, Western - Alternate Names	Labano, Lobana, लबाना - , Punjab 9,700	, Azad Kashmirc 600	, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa 400, Federally Administer 30
Labana (Muslim traditions) in India INDIA - Population 100 Main Language - Pahari-Potwar - Primary Dialect- Poonch  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.110.241.234 (talk) 05:29, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Joshua Project Data - Muslim Labanas 

message: Population- 29,000, Main Language -Hindi, Alternate Names	Laban, Labane, Labano, Labhana, Lavana, Lobana, लबाना (हिंदू ट्रेडिशन्स) , Madhya Pradesh- 16,000,	Jammu and Kashmir- 3,900, Rajasthan- 3,000, Odisha- 2,900, Haryana - 1,300, Delhi - 1,300, Himachal Pradesh - 800...Primary Language - Hindi....secondary languages->Punjabi, Eastern - 6,800, Odia -2,900, 	Dogri -2,100, Mewari -400, Kashmiri -400, Kangri -300, Wagdi - 300, Bilaspuri -90, Pahari-Potwari: Poonch 80, Mandeali -60, Bengali -20  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.110.241.234 (talk) 05:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Joshua Project Data - Hindu Labanas 

message: Population - 342,000, Main Language Punjabi, Eastern; 
	
Punjab - 269,000,	Haryana-16,000,	Jammu and Kashmir-11,000, Rajasthan-10,000,	Uttar Pradesh-9,400,	Delhi-8,400, Uttarakhand-3,900	, Maharashtra-3,700,	Madhya Pradesh-2,100,Chandigarh-1,300,	Jharkhand-800,	West Bengal-800, Himachal Pradesh-700,	Chhattisgarh-400,Gujarat-400.....lAnguages -> Primary Language	Punjabi, Eastern (284,000 speakers)....secondary language --- Hindi - 39,000,	Bagri - 8,700,	Dogri -2,100, Haryanvi  -1,500	Kumaoni - 300,	Marwari -300, Garhwali -100,	Kangri -100,	Bilaspuri -90, Awadhi -80,Pahari-Potwari: Poonch -40,
Kashmiri -30,Dhundari -30, Pahari, Mahasu -30,	Mewari -20  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.110.241.234 (talk) 05:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Joshua Project Data - Sikh Labanas

message: History
According to British records 33% of the Labana were baptised Sikhs and were found primarily in the Lahore, Gujranwala, and Sialkot areas. The Labanas (along with many other groups) saw the highest conversions into Sikhism during 1881 1891.
According to George Armand Furse, “The Jat and Lobana castes of Sikhs possess in a high degree the useful knowledge of the lading and care of beasts of burden”.
 
The name Laban may refer to the transport of salt. “The term Labana appears to be derived out from loon (salt) and bana means trade, and the lubana, Lobana or libana was doubtless the great salt-carrying and salt trading caste”.
Acc. to Gurmat Parkash, Magazine by SGPC, Lobana also means who wear Iron Dress, i.e dress of Military person. They mentioned Lobana were Military persons who served in Guru’s army.
These are also called Bahrupia, on account of their versatility in adopting many professions.
Labanki, the dialect of Labanas, is a mixture of Marwari, Saraiki, Gujarati, and Marathi.
=== Role in Sikh History ===
After Guru Harkrishan, the eighth Guru of Sikhism, died in 1664, there was confusion about the identification of his successor. According to Sikh legends, Makhan Shah, a great merchant of the Labana tribe, identified Guru Teg Bahadur as the successor of Guru Harkrishan. Makhan Shah was very helpful to Guru Teg Bahadur during his pontificate. The Labanas participated in battles fought by the tenth Guru.
During the Misl period , the Labanas joined the services of various “Misldars”.
During the eighteenth century the Labanas began to follow a settled way of life. The Labanas of Lower Indus, Gujranwala and Jhang, settled as cultivators during Sikh rule.
Wherever the Labanas settled they named their villages as Tandas. Tanda in Labanki dialect means a travelling body encampment. In Kangra district, the Lobanas had four hamlets, each called Tanda. By the mid-nineteenth century, the Lobanas at some places owned not only parts of villages, but also entire villages and even groups of villages. They were chiefly found in the Punjab during the Sikh rule.
Labanas were listed as a martial race by the British.
Labanas are said to have nomadic roots but are not related to the Lambada or Labada tribe of Andhra. There are some who believe that they are of the same stock as the Gypsies or Roma people of Europe. Labanas have been linked with Gypsies from Turkey. The words Labana (salt trader) / Labneh (strained yogurt) is derived from Laban (white). Labanas migrated from the Middle East to South Asia but the name Laban was lost in translation.
Labanas today
Today Labana is a landholding-rich community of Punjab. A large number of Labanas are settled abroad in western countries. The people are hard-working and uplifted the community again to its pride, which was in crisis during the early years of partition. Most Sikh Labanas are of western Punjab origin (now in Pakistan) and are called Panahi, while a smaller ratio are of East Punjab origin and are called Jaddi.
124.253.109.59 (talk) 20:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please point to reliable sources for each paragraph. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2020 

message: After Guru Harkrishan, the eighth Guru of Sikhism, died in 1664, there was confusion about the identification of his successor. According to Sikh legends, Makhan Shah, a great merchant of the Labana tribe, identified Guru Teg Bahadur as the successor of Guru Harkrishan. Makhan Shah was very helpful to Guru Teg Bahadur during his pontificate. The Labanas participated in battles fought by the tenth Guru.
During the Misl period , the Labanas joined the services of various “Misldars”.
During the eighteenth century the Labanas began to follow a settled way of life. The Labanas of Lower Indus, Gujranwala and Jhang, settled as cultivators during Sikh rule.
Wherever the Labanas settled they named their villages as Tandas. Tanda in Labanki dialect means a travelling body encampment. In Kangra district, the Lobanas had four hamlets, each called Tanda. By the mid-nineteenth century, the Lobanas at some places owned not only parts of villages, but also entire villages and even groups of villages. They were chiefly found in the Punjab during the Sikh rule.
Labanas were listed as a martial race by the British.
Labanas are said to have nomadic roots but are not related to the Lambada or Labada tribe of Andhra. There are some who believe that they are of the same stock as the Gypsies or Roma people of Europe. Labanas have been linked with Gypsies from Turkey. The words Labana (salt trader) / Labneh (strained yogurt) is derived from Laban (white). Labanas migrated from the Middle East to South Asia but the name Laban was lost in translation.
Labanas today
Today Labana is a landholding-rich community of Punjab. A large number of Labanas are settled abroad in western countries. The people are hard-working and uplifted the community again to its pride, which was in crisis during the early years of partition. Most Sikh Labanas are of western Punjab origin (now in Pakistan) and are called Panahi, while a smaller ratio are of East Punjab origin and are called Jaddi.
124.253.109.59 (talk) 20:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please point to reliable sources for each paragraph. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  <big>'''Role in Sikh History'''</big> 

message: *, lubana Article has been continuously disrupted by disruptive editor, So they need small protection for some time. Grayson Indica (talk) 14:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Semiprotected. --RegentsPark (comment) 21:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need Protection 

message: Labanas are from Sikha clans 223.225.168.97 (talk) 08:34, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2021 

message: H 9878Gur (talk) 22:27, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You are title doesnt even make sense.Dont only say in reference to Punjab.In other states Labanas are with Banjaras only. Synonymous to Banjara.Once go and check every reservation castes list of each state. In Rajasthan both are synonymous to each other In other states too I don't know about Punjab. Even President of Akhil Bharathiya Labana Samaj also admits that we both are related to each other. Sudeep JS (talk) 02:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

text: I agree with you many people especially from North India  are just misleading image of Banjaras. By calling them Gypsies of India. But why are u removing Banjara word ?.Banjara is community not caste. We all belong to same community and I am Lambani and my ancestors were salt traders. In maternal side My Grandfather was Naik of 12 Tandas. I know we 12 main groups there within broad Banjara community- Gor, Charan, Labana, Mathuriya, Ranagdiya, Jangadiya, Dharmpat. Our ancestors were closed to each other like Lakhishah Banjara and Makhan Shah Lobana had both Family and Business relationship. We are from different origin but intermixed over time. In Maharashtra we too have good status like u guys in Punjab. We had 2 Chief Minister from our community who ruled more than 14 years in richest state of India that to be we are in OBC in Maharashtra. In Haryana it we both are united so we finally got attention by CM . Like some synonymous of our community is in OBC and some are in SC. Sudeep JS (talk) 18:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don,t manuplate history hive some real refernces before edit one or two person saying or writing don,t say of all our community 

message: 2401:4900:1C2B:6DDA:9D2:B9F3:1830:95D2 (talk) 14:08, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2022 

message: Etymology should remove current writing and replaced with below:
The origin of the word, 'Luvana' is that it has originated from the Sanskrit means linage of luva(son of god Ram).
One more accepted etymology is Lobana also means who wear Iron Dress, i.e. dress of Military person, derived from Loh & Bana. They mentioned Lobana were Military persons who were Kashatriya rajputs they also served in Guru's army from sixth guru sahib till the end of sikh empire and played major role in fight against Mughal samraj and corrupt hindu kings. Nishan wali misl belonged to lubana sikhs.[1][2] BaljeetSingh83 (talk) 18:39, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide reliable sources.--RegentsPark (comment) 19:14, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2022 

message: Both articles represent the same thing but in different ways. Having two articles is not justified. Please do not remove this template until the discussion is completed on the talk page.❯❯❯   Chunky aka Al Kashmiri  (✍️) 12:26, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Support - as long as they are merged correctly, I see no reason to be against the proposal. ThethPunjabi (talk) 00:00, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  ❯❯❯   Chunky aka Al Kashmiri  (✍️) 03:44, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Lavana]] into [[Labana]] 

message: 164.100.138.238 (talk) 08:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2023लवाणा/लवानिया जाति हिन्दू समाज मे व्याप्त वर्ण व्यवस्था मे से ब्राह्मण वर्ण से सबंधित है परतेक वर्ण कार्य भेद/उपाधियों (आस्पद व अल्ल)  के कारण जातिय व उप जातियों मे विभाजित हुआ I लवाणा ब्राह्मण वर्ण मे प्रचलित 750 अल्ल मे से एक है जिनका सबंध यजुर्वेद, उपवेद धनुवेद, शाखा मद्यानन्दिनी, गोत्रऋषि  वशिष्ठ/भारद्वाज व सूत्र कार्यायन, शिखा व पाद दक्षिण और देवता शिव है I  लवाणा जाति के उदगम के संदर्भ  मे कथा है कि श्री रामचंद्र  के पुत्र लव, पिता के साथ हुए