Talk:Quebec French profanity

message: This part under non-profane uses is quite rambling and difficult to follow for the layperson:
"sacrer son camp ("leave", "run away", literally "consecrate the camp while leaving it" -- actually it looks like the Québécois just replaced the French foutre with calisser/crisser/sacrer. Fous-moi le camp! -> Décrisse! / Sacre le camp!, Foutre une baffe -> Calisser une clacque, je m'en fous--> je m'en sacre/je m'en calice/je m'en contre-fous"
There's also no citation or justification for the chain that comes after the emdash.-169.139.219.254 (talk) 11:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long and rambling parenthetical, possibly OR 

message: Victor Hugo used "Sacrer" to refer to swearing, and he certainly was not from Québec... Juppiter 05:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sacrer 

message: There is a "lesson in sacre" given to an Ontarian police officer by a Quebec police officer in the movie "Bon Cop Bad Cop" (2006). It would be nice to add a reference in the wiki article. By the way this wiki page is well done and quite relevant. Hugo Dufort 19:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bon Cop Bad Cop

message: I don't understand the convoluted introduction.
:'The literal translation of the French verb sacrer is "to consecrate". However, in Quebec it is the proper word for the form of profanity used in Quebec French. The noun form is sacre.'
Rather, I would consider that the proper translation would be "to swear". The correct french word for "to consecrate" would be "consacrer". We might note that the french word takes its root from "holy" rather than from "oath" as in english, but it's hardly the only word where different languages have different etymologies, and we don't write down every little quirk that might arise from a literal translation on every article. UnHoly 13:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Convoluted intro

message: Mozusse is most likely a euphemism for Maudit. There is no reason to think Québécois would use the English word Moses to swear. Maudit is pronounced Mo-dzi. You can find "mon mozusse/modzusse" with the same meaning as "mon maudit", or "en mozusse" to mean "en maudit".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.200.189.2 (talk) 19:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree 100%, mozusse is a minced oath for maudit, it has nothing at all to do with Moses. 66.131.47.85 (talk) 07:30, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mozusse 

message: This article has its plusses, but it has many problems, only two of which I can fix.
# The lead is terrible. A proper Wikipedia lead begins "Article subject [verb]...". So this should say, "Quebec French profanity, or sacre, uses...." The article itself should then discuss the word sacre, and any such discussion should take into account what was said above; to wit, sacre means "swear". Of course the literal translation should also be pointed out. This one I can fix, but since I am, at best, a beginner at French, someone should look carefully at anything I do. The other I can fix is the italicising of sacre. When a foreign word is used over and over again, it shouldn't be italicised. That's especially true where, as here, the meaning of the word is discussed.
# The next problem is the lack of a large part of the subject area. The lead says, "Quebec French...uses a number of the same types of foul language as in standard French, dealing with sex and excrement (such as merde, "shit")." How can this be considered even close to a complete treatment of the topic if it doesn't include the sex and excrement terms? It would be one thing if there were a broader article about French profanity, but there isn't. So if this article aims to be about a Quebec phenomenon relating to religious profanity, it needs to be tightened up and renamed "Quebec French religious profanity". If it aims to give the reader an explanation of "Quebec French profanity", it needs to give basics like how to say, "they fucked last night", "fuck your mother", "American beer smells like piss", "if I don't shit soon, my asshole will explode," etc.
# A related problem follows in the next sentence: "These are usually rather mild, and stronger profanity is expressed using words and expressions related to Catholicism and its liturgy." Does this mean that standard French doesn't use religious swears? That needs to be clarified.
# Relatedly, it is not clear why this article purports to focus on Quebec profanity. If religious profanity is mostly a Quebec phenomenon with little or no expression in the rest of the francaphone world, that needs to be made much clearer. As it stands, only the Maritimes and Acadia are mentioned. If it is common among among French speakers, the whole article needs to be reframed.
# The first two paragraphs of the "Use" section belong in the section "List of common sacre", which should be renamed "Common sacre". What's more, the first sentence of the passage says, "A very strong way to express anger or frustration is to use the words tabarnac, sacrament, and câlice." Aside from being put a bit oddly, it singles out three words for definition. That sentence gives me the impression that using one equates to motherfucker in "That motherfucking cop won't leave," and using all three is like saying, "That motherfucking, cocksucking cunt of a waitress won't bring the check." Great, but what do the other six words do? Are the they used the same way, but just aren't as strong? That needs to be cleared up.
# The third paragraph of what is now "Use" should be its own section called "Other profanity" or some such.
# The title "Non-profane uses" doesn't make sense. The uses described there strike me as profane. This might make sense with the first two paragraphs of "Use"
# The "Sacres outside French Quebec", as noted with a template, needs support. In addition, the reference to La Guerre, Yes Sir! is not clear. It seems to be about something in English translated from French that uses Quebec profanity. That isn't really a use of "sacre" outside French Quebec. It should really be mentioned as a source of further profanity, or better yet, mined for more sacres to be listed here.
# Finally, the there is a need for copyediting, but that should really wait until the other issues are dealt with. -Rrius (talk) 05:05, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the entire section on "Sacres outside French Quebec" can be removed.  Most of it lends little to the article, and strays entirely off topic.  I added a tag to that effect. --Bastique ☎ call me! 05:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs work 

message: Schools Advisory Council on Religious Education
Southend on Sea Local Authority  established 1998 after ceding from Essex County Council
SACRE Chair Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan elected Chair of Southend on Sea SACRE in July 1998  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevsy7 (talk • contribs) 22:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  SACRE 

message: What are the guidelines on censorship of these words on television/radio. The CRTC are adamant that is is not allowed, but Radio-Canada seems to be ambigious. What's private media like? I'm rewatching a Christmas special of Gars Frustré from MusiquePlus where calice, tabarnac etc are bleeped out, yet sacrament and ciboire aren't. 
Crime que c'est difficile a comprendre en taba... Neasden Villa (talk) 21:40, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Censorship guidelines in media

message: Except that "cold-tar" doesn't mean anything in English. Should this be coal tar?99.237.143.219 (talk) 21:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''coltord'' from "cold-tar"? 

message: I thought a host is something promoted or promotional, and who uses the virgin Mary as an expletive? 2607:FB90:429:E348:0:4C:4B9C:E501 (talk) 08:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The host here refers to the Eucharist in the Roman Catholic Church. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 09:38, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The virgin Mary" and "hosts" are profanities? 

message: Perhaps these were a real innovation in English grammar: the indirect object is already well known, but here we have sentences with an indirect subject. :) TooManyFingers (talk) 23:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish examples avoiding forbidden usage