Talk:Timothy Leary

message: From the long-term [] to its present removal of the main descriptors, the page and an attempt to save it is being discussed on its talk page (now the spectre of deleting it and merging it here has been raised). Please come by to lend some knowledge about Leary and the importance of the model. This started when Leary was removed from :Category:American consciousness researchers and theorists, which seems to me to fit him to a "T". Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The person doing that re-categorization isn't the least bit familiar with the bio subjects they are re-categorizing.  Just add the category back.  Viriditas (talk) 11:52, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha. Me reverting and arguing the case on both the category and the 8-circuit model has turned into a long and ongoing WP:ANI thread. I agree that most if not all the participants, most from the fringe Wikiproject, know little if nothing about Leary and Wilson's work, and the attempt to throw me in hot water from four or five of them (including an off-site reputation attack) comes from me knowing a little-butnotall about them. Other voices are needed here to bring better knowledge than mine into the discussion. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Now here's what left of the Eight-circuit model page since this morning. Life is good if you are a deletionist. Well, here's what one take would be. On the other hand, what Tim would have done if he still was with us (a hug, a big smile, and a kind laugh at the sad foolishness of those who would do such things). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:47, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I read the Leary corpus back in the late 1980s while I was in the university library. I think it’s accurate to describe ECMC as a fringe theory, but that doesn’t mean we can’t write about it.  There are plenty of RS that talk about it, but you have to do some major research to find them.  The allegation by the deletionists that there aren’t is wrong.  Yes, it is a fringe theory, but it’s also characterized by enough RS to allow a fully fleshed out article about it. Viriditas (talk) 00:23, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Randy, can I ask, just because of the nature of how you've made reference to the man in a couple of occasions now, were you personally acquainted with the man? SnowRise let's rap 16:37, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Eight-circuit model of consciousness]] undergoing extensive reduction and discussion

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I'm not sure why journalist Laura Mansnerus added this Nixon quote to Leary's obituary, and as much as I would like this quote to be true, I'm afraid to say this is one of those famous apocryphal quotes from Nixon that no researcher has ever been able to verify or confirm as true.  Because of that, I think it should be removed from this biography. What is far more interesting is to try and figure out where the quote ("the most dangerous man in America") originated from and who first published it.  I've tried to do so and was left spinning my wheels.  It's quite an interesting problem. Viriditas (talk) 00:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The most dangerous man in America