Talk:Bad breath

message: Are we sure about Listerine coining the term? I've read about Elizabethan cures for it! Archer7 19:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Listerine made up the word "halitosis." Mike H. That's hot 01:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Why is it no longer mentioned in the article?--27.32.168.222 (talk) 08:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a reliable source for the origin of the term, it can be added. But it is not correct to say that the condition does not exist, as it clearly does - the most you can really say, if there is a good source, is that Listerine invented the term, not the condition -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: The TV series QI is not a reliable source, as it bends its claims for entertainment purposes, rather than aiming for factual accuracy, and there have been many complaints that many of its claims have been false. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:20, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And the QI reference wasn't even valid anyway - the URL pointed straight back to this Wikipedia article -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Seconding Zahanm's suggestion. Further, searching 'halitosis' should redirect to an article entitled 'bad breath' with a disambiguation or suggested follow to whatever we have on shame-based advertising. Bad breath is not a medical condition. It can be a symptom of a medical condition. It should never be called halitosis -- right? -- would anyone please disagree with me on this and let us know why? Write me on my user:talk please for more, I'm very surprised to find an article with this title here & am keen to head up a task force to do a proper article on the non-disease phenomenon of bad breath and/or the use of shame and pseudoscience in mid-20th century advertising campaigns. Harlequence (talk) 12:06, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listerine? 

message: Dear Sirs,
We have edited the entry for halitosis, based on existing scientific, medical and dental publications. There was much that needed amending, but we have left intact as much of the previous entry as possible.
The term was poorly references, inaccurate and somewhat commercial.
We have referenced the entry throughout, and hope that it will be a significant improvement over the previous entry, which did not do justice to Wikepedia.
Sincerely,
Dr. Mel Rosenberg, Ph.D. Professor of Microbiology
Dr. Alon, Amit, D.M.D., Dentist
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolmood (talk • contribs) 09:06, 8 April 2007
:{belated) thank you! lesion (talk) 16:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: I can't recall where I read it, but the term halitosis is not, in fact, medical originally - it arose around the turn of the century as an advertising term (I believe from the Listerine company) because it sounded medical, with the intention of creating a minor "health scare" to provide impetus for sales.  If anyone could find sources or confirm this, it would make an interesting and worthy contribution to the article. Glacialfury (talk) 17:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the term 

message: Removed "An example of such a product is the OraBrush.", which seems to be an ad. ⇌Elektron 01:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ads? 

message: It looks like someone finally erased the fake paragraph. Whoever wrote that is really mean. 152.1.91.69 (talk) 22:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: cruel people

message: Couldn't  the stomach be a source of halitosis since the Hydrogen breath test is a way to test lactose intolerance, Fructose malabsorption and other conditions where methane is also measured?Andrarias (talk) 13:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Stomach

message: Too many challenges sources needed, removing the section because it seems completely non-sourced  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.223.219.231 (talk) 01:57, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, it was clearly sourced from somewhere, they were just too lazy to leave a reference. I put it in a new section called "history" along with some other historical trivia I came across.Tepi (talk) 05:58, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditional remedies  

message: I noted recent edit reversals labeled as advertising. I agree the wording was poor, and read like an advert, but there is evidence to back up the content (although garlic may cause halitosis by both the blood borne mechanism and by leaving sulfur containing amino acid residues intraorally, which could cause transient oral malodor. There is also some evidence of the "internal deoderizing" effect of certain herbs like parsley, coriander. I've been working on a expanded version of this article in a sandbox for a while, I'm just too lazy to finish it. lesion (talk) 15:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  garlic and blood borne halitosis 

message: Rm 
"There are claims, however, that the Listerene campaign created the idea of halitosis as a medical condition as opposed to something more akin to smelly armpits."
whilst interesting, and probably true that commercial interests have fed the modern concern about bad breath, need a source to say this. Also would mention that both halitosis and "smelly armpits" can be both physiologic (normal) and pathologic (disease). Physiologic halitosis is still a medical condition that is treated if it interferes with the person's social life etc.
Anyway, interesting, but unsourced. I wonder if we could start a new section elaborating on this idea, but ofc need source(s)... Lesion (talk) 08:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I elaborated on this general idea a bit more in the society and culture section. The Listerine page itself had a good source for this. Lesion (talk) 15:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent "anti listerine" edit 

message: ===Remove primary sources and otherwise non MEDRS compliant sources*===
*Note: not assessed for WP:MEDDATE issues.
Note, there are many sources added by the author Rosenberg, who seemed to rework the article in 07. I have not removed any of these sources unless there is a MEDRS violation, so some remain, and I assume in good faith that there is no self promotion issue here.
* Rosenberg, M; Knaan, T; Cohen, D (2007). "Association among bad breath, body mass index, and alcohol intake". Journal of Dental Research 86 (10): 997–1000. doi:10.1177/154405910708601015. . primary source 
* ^ Knaan T, Cohen D, Rosenberg M. (2005). "Predicting bad breath in the non-complaining population". Oral Dis 11: 105–6. doi:10.1111/j.1601-0825.2005.01105_23.x. primary source 
* ^ "Scientists find bug responsible for bad breath". Reuters. April 7, 2008. popular press, unreliable source 
* ^ Oral Herpes Dentists UK Health Centre http://www.healthcentre.org.uk/dentistry/oral-herpes.html commercial site. unreliable source 
* ^ Stamou, E; Kozlovsky, A; Rosenberg, M (2005). "Association between oral malodour and periodontal disease-related parameters in a population of 71 Israelis". Oral diseases. 11 Suppl 1: 72–4. doi:10.1111/j.1601-0825.2005.01097.x. . primary source 
* ^ Bosy, A; Kulkarni, GV; Rosenberg, M; McCulloch, CA (1994). "Relationship of oral malodor to periodontitis: Evidence of independence in discrete subpopulations". Journal of periodontology 65 (1): 37–46. . primary source 
* ^ Finkelstein, Y; Talmi, YP; Ophir, D; Berger, G (2004). "Laser cryptolysis for the treatment of halitosis". Otolaryngology--head and neck surgery : official journal of American Academy of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery 131 (4): 372–7. doi:10.1016/j.otohns.2004.02.044. . primary source 
* http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/930029-overview emedicine is not a great source. Very little inline citation, and tend not to get updated frequently. Also advertising. 
* http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/19991127/garlic-bad-breath-king webmd. unreliable source 
* ^ Tangerman, A; Winkel, EG (2007). "Intra- and extra-oral halitosis: Finding of a new form of extra-oral blood-borne halitosis caused by dimethyl sulphide". Journal of clinical periodontology 34 (9): 748–55. doi:10.1111/j.1600-051X.2007.01116.x. . primary source. This finding is also reported in a later secondary source "Tangerman, A; Winkel, EG (2010 Mar). "Extra-oral halitosis: an overview.". Journal of breath research 4 (1): 017003. ." which is already used as a source. No need to use the original primary source. 
* ^ Tanaka, M; Anguri, H; Nishida, N; Ojima, M; Nagata, H; Shizukuishi, S (2003). "Reliability of clinical parameters for predicting the outcome of oral malodor treatment". Journal of Dental Research 82 (7): 518–22. doi:10.1177/154405910308200706. . primary source 
* ^ Rosenberg, M; Kozlovsky, A; Gelernter, I; Cherniak, O; Gabbay, J; Baht, R; Eli, I (1995). "Self-estimation of oral malodor". Journal of Dental Research 74 (9): 1577–82. doi:10.1177/00220345950740091201. . primary source 
* ^ Eli, I; Baht, R; Koriat, H; Rosenberg, M (2001). "Self-perception of breath odor". Journal of the American Dental Association (1939) 132 (5): 621–6. . primary source?. Needs clarification, can't tell from abstract. 
* ^ Van Den Velde, S; Quirynen, M; Van Hee, P; Van Steenberghe, D (2007). "Halitosis associated volatiles in breath of healthy subjects". Journal of chromatography. B, Analytical technologies in the biomedical and life sciences 853 (1–2): 54–61. doi:10.1016/j.jchromb.2007.02.048. . primary source 
* ^ Murata, T; Rahardjo, A; Fujiyama, Y; Yamaga, T; Hanada, M; Yaegaki, K; Miyazaki, H (2006). "Development of a compact and simple gas chromatography for oral malodor measurement". Journal of periodontology 77 (7): 1142–7. doi:10.1902/jop.2006.050388. . primary source 
* ^ Kozlovsky, A; Gordon, D; Gelernter, I; Loesche, WJ; Rosenberg, M (1994). "Correlation between the BANA test and oral malodor parameters". Journal of Dental Research 73 (5): 1036–42. . primary source 
* ^ Sterer, N; Greenstein, RB; Rosenberg, M (2002). "Beta-galactosidase activity in saliva is associated with oral malodor". Journal of Dental Research 81 (3): 182–5. doi:10.1177/154405910208100308. . primary source 
* ^ Greenman, J; Duffield, J; Spencer, P; Rosenberg, M; Corry, D; Saad, S; Lenton, P; Majerus, G et al. (2004). "Study on the organoleptic intensity scale for measuring oral malodor". Journal of Dental Research 83 (1): 81–5. doi:10.1177/154405910408300116. . primary study 
* ^ Burton, JP et al. (2006). "A preliminary study of the effect of probiotic Streptococcus salivarius K12 on oral malodour parameters". Journal of Applied Microbiology 100 (4): 754–64. doi:10.1111/j.1365-2672.2006.02837.x. . primary source 
* ^ Thrane PS, Young A, Jonski G, Rölla G (2007). "A new mouthrinse combining zinc and chlorhexidine in low concentrations provides superior efficacy against halitosis compared to existing formulations: a double-blind clinical study". J Clin Dent 18 (3): 82–6. . primary source 
* ^ Young A, Jonski G, Rölla G (2003). "Combined effect of zinc ions and cationic antibacterial agents on intraoral volatile sulphur compounds (VSC)". Int Dent J 53 (4): 237–42. doi:10.1111/j.1875-595X.2003.tb00751.x. . primary source 
* ^ Carvalho, MD; Tabchoury, CM; Cury, JA; Toledo, S; Nogueira-Filho, GR (2004). "Impact of mouthrinses on morning bad breath in healthy subjects". Journal of clinical periodontology 31 (2): 85–90. doi:10.1111/j.0303-6979.2004.00452.x. . primary source 
* ^ Rosenberg, M; Gelernter, I; Barki, M; Bar-Ness, R (1992). "Day-long reduction of oral malodor by a two-phase oil:water mouthrinse as compared to chlorhexidine and placebo rinses". Journal of periodontology 63 (1): 39–43. . primary source. 
Lesion (talk) 22:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements

message: *Note: not assessed for WP:MEDDATE issues.
Note, there are many sources added by the author Rosenberg, who seemed to rework the article in 07. I have not removed any of these sources unless there is a MEDRS violation, so some remain, and I assume in good faith that there is no self promotion issue here.
* Rosenberg, M; Knaan, T; Cohen, D (2007). "Association among bad breath, body mass index, and alcohol intake". Journal of Dental Research 86 (10): 997–1000. doi:10.1177/154405910708601015. . primary source 
* ^ Knaan T, Cohen D, Rosenberg M. (2005). "Predicting bad breath in the non-complaining population". Oral Dis 11: 105–6. doi:10.1111/j.1601-0825.2005.01105_23.x. primary source 
* ^ "Scientists find bug responsible for bad breath". Reuters. April 7, 2008. popular press, unreliable source 
* ^ Oral Herpes Dentists UK Health Centre http://www.healthcentre.org.uk/dentistry/oral-herpes.html commercial site. unreliable source 
* ^ Stamou, E; Kozlovsky, A; Rosenberg, M (2005). "Association between oral malodour and periodontal disease-related parameters in a population of 71 Israelis". Oral diseases. 11 Suppl 1: 72–4. doi:10.1111/j.1601-0825.2005.01097.x. . primary source 
* ^ Bosy, A; Kulkarni, GV; Rosenberg, M; McCulloch, CA (1994). "Relationship of oral malodor to periodontitis: Evidence of independence in discrete subpopulations". Journal of periodontology 65 (1): 37–46. . primary source 
* ^ Finkelstein, Y; Talmi, YP; Ophir, D; Berger, G (2004). "Laser cryptolysis for the treatment of halitosis". Otolaryngology--head and neck surgery : official journal of American Academy of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery 131 (4): 372–7. doi:10.1016/j.otohns.2004.02.044. . primary source 
* http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/930029-overview emedicine is not a great source. Very little inline citation, and tend not to get updated frequently. Also advertising. 
* http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/19991127/garlic-bad-breath-king webmd. unreliable source 
* ^ Tangerman, A; Winkel, EG (2007). "Intra- and extra-oral halitosis: Finding of a new form of extra-oral blood-borne halitosis caused by dimethyl sulphide". Journal of clinical periodontology 34 (9): 748–55. doi:10.1111/j.1600-051X.2007.01116.x. . primary source. This finding is also reported in a later secondary source "Tangerman, A; Winkel, EG (2010 Mar). "Extra-oral halitosis: an overview.". Journal of breath research 4 (1): 017003. ." which is already used as a source. No need to use the original primary source. 
* ^ Tanaka, M; Anguri, H; Nishida, N; Ojima, M; Nagata, H; Shizukuishi, S (2003). "Reliability of clinical parameters for predicting the outcome of oral malodor treatment". Journal of Dental Research 82 (7): 518–22. doi:10.1177/154405910308200706. . primary source 
* ^ Rosenberg, M; Kozlovsky, A; Gelernter, I; Cherniak, O; Gabbay, J; Baht, R; Eli, I (1995). "Self-estimation of oral malodor". Journal of Dental Research 74 (9): 1577–82. doi:10.1177/00220345950740091201. . primary source 
* ^ Eli, I; Baht, R; Koriat, H; Rosenberg, M (2001). "Self-perception of breath odor". Journal of the American Dental Association (1939) 132 (5): 621–6. . primary source?. Needs clarification, can't tell from abstract. 
* ^ Van Den Velde, S; Quirynen, M; Van Hee, P; Van Steenberghe, D (2007). "Halitosis associated volatiles in breath of healthy subjects". Journal of chromatography. B, Analytical technologies in the biomedical and life sciences 853 (1–2): 54–61. doi:10.1016/j.jchromb.2007.02.048. . primary source 
* ^ Murata, T; Rahardjo, A; Fujiyama, Y; Yamaga, T; Hanada, M; Yaegaki, K; Miyazaki, H (2006). "Development of a compact and simple gas chromatography for oral malodor measurement". Journal of periodontology 77 (7): 1142–7. doi:10.1902/jop.2006.050388. . primary source 
* ^ Kozlovsky, A; Gordon, D; Gelernter, I; Loesche, WJ; Rosenberg, M (1994). "Correlation between the BANA test and oral malodor parameters". Journal of Dental Research 73 (5): 1036–42. . primary source 
* ^ Sterer, N; Greenstein, RB; Rosenberg, M (2002). "Beta-galactosidase activity in saliva is associated with oral malodor". Journal of Dental Research 81 (3): 182–5. doi:10.1177/154405910208100308. . primary source 
* ^ Greenman, J; Duffield, J; Spencer, P; Rosenberg, M; Corry, D; Saad, S; Lenton, P; Majerus, G et al. (2004). "Study on the organoleptic intensity scale for measuring oral malodor". Journal of Dental Research 83 (1): 81–5. doi:10.1177/154405910408300116. . primary study 
* ^ Burton, JP et al. (2006). "A preliminary study of the effect of probiotic Streptococcus salivarius K12 on oral malodour parameters". Journal of Applied Microbiology 100 (4): 754–64. doi:10.1111/j.1365-2672.2006.02837.x. . primary source 
* ^ Thrane PS, Young A, Jonski G, Rölla G (2007). "A new mouthrinse combining zinc and chlorhexidine in low concentrations provides superior efficacy against halitosis compared to existing formulations: a double-blind clinical study". J Clin Dent 18 (3): 82–6. . primary source 
* ^ Young A, Jonski G, Rölla G (2003). "Combined effect of zinc ions and cationic antibacterial agents on intraoral volatile sulphur compounds (VSC)". Int Dent J 53 (4): 237–42. doi:10.1111/j.1875-595X.2003.tb00751.x. . primary source 
* ^ Carvalho, MD; Tabchoury, CM; Cury, JA; Toledo, S; Nogueira-Filho, GR (2004). "Impact of mouthrinses on morning bad breath in healthy subjects". Journal of clinical periodontology 31 (2): 85–90. doi:10.1111/j.0303-6979.2004.00452.x. . primary source 
* ^ Rosenberg, M; Gelernter, I; Barki, M; Bar-Ness, R (1992). "Day-long reduction of oral malodor by a two-phase oil:water mouthrinse as compared to chlorhexidine and placebo rinses". Journal of periodontology 63 (1): 39–43. . primary source. 
Lesion (talk) 22:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove primary sources and otherwise non [[MEDRS]] compliant sources*

message: Note that a zenker diverticulum does not occur in the esophagus, but in the pharynx. If a pouch were to occur in the esophagus, this would not be termed a zenker diverticulum, but instead "esophageal pouch". Therefore suggest (i) rm zenker from esophagus section, and (ii) redraft "differential diagnosis" section according to site, e.g. 
* mouth, 
* nose and sinuses,
* Pharynx
* Lower respiratory tract
* Esophagus and stomach
* Blood borne (all systemic causes of halitosis occur via blood borne mechanism). Lesion (talk) 20:26, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccuracies

message: According to research done by Theodoor Hendrik van de Velde in the 1920s, orgasm lead to bad breath in females for about an hour after climax. http://www.ted.com/talks/mary_roach_10_things_you_didn_t_know_about_orgasm#t-326774 Emilymoyerr (talk) 06:36, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncommon Origins

message: I have established a Simple English Wikipedia article on Halitosis. Please help improve the article. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 20:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple English Wikipedia 

message: whole article should be rewritten and shortened due to new evidence regarding the origins of halitosis and actual scientific data.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YdvFBxBD5g note: video contains constant sources that can be referenced.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.76.154 (talk) 11:45, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Youtube is not considered a reliable source for scientific information on Wikipedia. I would recommend citing a peer-reviewed medical/dental journal instead. Please see WP:MEDRS for more information. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 00:49, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  halitosis sceptisim 

message: Many people bully others because of their smell from the mouth.
What can cause someone to have an unpleasant smell Amahleamantombazane (talk) 20:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bullying 

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