Talk:IPhone/Archive 5

message: After a week of working with iPhone I am frustrate and disturbed by stupid limitations that iPhone has given me and I believe it is a duty on Wikipedia to give truth to people that this shiny phone has big limitations that everyone should be aware of it.
It is purely informal expand Missing Features, and I suggest to change the title to "Limitation, Missing Features or Weaknesses" to provide more meaningful and broad coverage.
iPhone for sure can't forward an SMS and that is definitely a must know for anyone, it can't sends multi receiver sms and it can't sms notes or any text inside any webpage or et cetera, it can't send links but it can email notes. I think Steve totally forgot about SMS functions in a Phone, since now there are billions of SMS sent around the world on daily basis. it is more useful feature than the phone itself.
I have to switch SIM card if I want to send sms to group of users and it is a real pain if you want to forward someone else if you're on the move.
Another missing feature is deleting multiple SMS or Multiple email at a time. also SPAM reporting is missing in iPhone and Gmail is not even synched if you mark any email.
Deleting a Single SMS message is also impossible. and why should we not inform people that these "Necessary" options are missing in a cell phone?
I think iPhone has more animation rather than features and these facts has to be told to any person who's reading iPhone page.
For the start I will change the Missing Features from Paragraph to bullets, to make it easier to read. and please reply here your ideas and if you do not agree with me.
Good lucks
Zirnevis 11:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not do that.  Your "findings" are WP:OR and converting to your bullet point would be against consensus. -- KelleyCook 16:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What consensus would that be? 81.145.242.17 22:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limitation, Missing features or Weaknesses 

message: The iphone cannot be multi-touch, this is impossible for a capacitance type touch screen. The zooming is done by detecting the capacitance change pattern of fingers moving apart. It it would be useless for identifying two seperate discrete button presses. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.145.34.220 (talk • contribs).
:I don't fully understand the argument here... But then how could it sense the pulling motion and accurately compensate if it was simply detecting the alteration in position, especially since most people would move both fingers? it would still see the single input in the same place and wouldn't know how to compensate and expand/shrink the image. 68.107.96.136 16:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to say it, but you're *completely* wrong. (4-Wire) Resistive screens are incapable of multitouch on their own due to the fact that resistive screens only measure absolute resistance against the axis. Capacitive screens are natively capable of multitouch because they are read much in the same way as image sensors, along each axis the capacitors are sampled in an array format, and based on that sampling, a gradient map can be made which can then be segmented by a multitouch algorithm such as the one developed by Fingerworks. All multitouch sensors function based on the simple fact that they can gain multiple samples on their axises that represent absolute distance, not relative distance like resistive screens. However, multi-wire resistive screens (8+ wires, 4 on each axis) may also be capable of multitouch if constructed properly. Think of it as having a bunch of smaller resistive screens sampled in an array, forming a gradient map which can be used with a multitouch segmentation algorithm. The problem with this is that a multi-wire resistive touchscreen is going to lose more of the image's brightness than a capacitive screen or a 4 wire resistive screen, so they're very unattractive to manufacturers. The iPhone's touchscreen is a multi-cell capacitive touchgrid based off the proprietary construction techniques developed at Fingerworks. The patent in question here is US patent 6,323,846, and explains with a high degree of detail exactly the construction and the algorithms necessary to sample multiple touch inputs from their sensors.76.89.26.83 20:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multi-touch 

message: Really stupid of me to ask this question ...but then .better late than never..
Is the IPhone screen LCD or a plasma?
Yourdeadin 18:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to read the article before posting questions: "The 3.5 in liquid crystal display (320×480 px at 160 ppi) HVGA touch screen topped with optical-quality glass[2]". LCD. AndrewJDTALK -- 18:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry...I just ...some how missed that lie...Silly me...sorry for the trouble Yourdeadin 18:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screen 

message: I have added the part about the new financial times reports of chosen European Service Providers, please feel free to edit as necessary as I am new at this!! :-)
Danfoster20 12:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  European network providers. 

message: so, any reason why is the header image been replaced with a non-free image, when a free alternative not only exists, but was being used? – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 16:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason given was that the free images don't "look nice".  That's a very weak argument for using a copyrighted image, especially since I didn't see anything wrong with the old, free image.  The old image should most definitely be put back, or if not I'll just take a picture of my iPhone.  -- Atamasama 18:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  header image 

message: Basically the first all-software iPhone unlock is working: See: http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-unlocked-atandt-loses-iphone-exclusivity-august-24-2007
I think this is the first unlock that is working as a complete software-only unlock. Might be worth mentioning? 
Cheers,
Raayman 12:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iphone software unlock realised? 

message: Can someone please confirm the releases in South Africa and Brazil, as I have not heard of these? If not, would someone remove it? Thanks. ĞavinŤing 17:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed those for Brazil and South Africa; I have never heard of these either. The EU has a source down in the availability section, but I din't see a source for Australia. I'll add one soon.--HereToHelp 18:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refrences for release dates? 

message: The article surprisingly contains no information on the progs implementing organizer functionality, i.e. the adress book, iCal and Notes. Why? Thyl Engelhardt213.70.217.172 09:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No info on organizer 

message: http://live.gizmodo.com/
Also official: 4GB iPhone is now gone. Only thing left is the 8GB iPhone for $399.
But, Steve says they want to get even MORE aggressive. What does this mean? iPhone will be even MORE affordable, so they’re dropping the price of the 8GB model to $399. Two hundred dollar price drop.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.226.68.113 (talk) 18:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we know, and that information's been added about 3 times.  I've reduced it to one place; let's not add any more. Guy Harris 19:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  price drop 

message: I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I think there should be some mention of the iPod (and a link to it) in the article's lead. --Steven Fisher 21:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--HereToHelp 21:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod in lead 

message: I'm surprised that no mention is made of the 3rd party applications currently being developed for the iPhone and iPod Touch. See this list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt.stoker (talk • contribs) 08:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean a mention such as having a "Custom application development" section that says "On July 20, 2007, the first simple independent native application was run on the iPhone.[115] Since then, many third-party native applications have appeared. Efforts in the vein of Cocoa application development and unlocking the frameworks and low-level device access have been mostly centralized at FiveForty.net.[116]"?" with the first of those footnotes linking to http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/20/iphone-hello-world-application/ and the second of them linking to http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/GUI_Applications? Guy Harris 16:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd Party Applications 

message: The current picture (Image:Iphone menu.jpg) features either a ColorWare-colored iPhone or an iPhone in a rubber 'skin'.  I feel that an iPhone sitting in a dock, unmodified, would provide a better image for the article. 203.87.119.103 17:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing out.  Two different people uploaded pictures today, neither of which accurately represent what the iPhone looks like.  I restored the image from yesterday, which is the best we've got for the time being.  -/- Warren 19:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like the current picture (:Image:IPhone.jpg) because it's hard to tell exactly what it is because its not turned on and it looks like any ordinary black handheld device.  I'll admit I didn't like the rubber skin found in :Image:Iphone menu.jpg, but I think it's better than the one that's currently there. –Dream out loud (talk) 02:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Images of Apple products are always problematic. Either they aren't good or they're copyrighted.--HereToHelp 02:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I RV'd the image to the MacWorld color image with the unit turned on. That "black" iPhone image could be an unwrapped Hershey candybar for all I know. I mean, photos can be ambiguous, too. Showing an iPhone like that is like demonstrating Mac OS X by showing a telnet display. Please use photos that not only show the product, but also show the life of the product. Groink 18:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's the one I think is best, too.  User:Aido2002 added the "black" image a second time.  Hopefully this won't become an "issue".   -/- Warren 19:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the :Image:IPhone Display.jpg image that's up now, I hope we can manage to keep it there. -- Atamasama 17:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  Good lick, atamasama, there have been others almost identical to it (my own included) that have been removed and deleted, again and again. – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 21:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, if the next edit reverts the photo to the Macworld version, then the article will be locked indefinetley until further notice, that way, everything is perfect. (Bentoman 07:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  I think the new, main image in the box needs to be changed! The picture is disgusting, all over-exposed, on an angle etc. I think a faithful reproduction of Apple's original image would be better, or maybe someone could email Steve Jobs and ask for an unlicenced image? Haha **Mr.Bombo** 00:34, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current picture 

message: I can't find any evidence showing a Q1 Australian release.  All I've found is Apple's 2008: Asia release intention.  Could this be cited or fixed? (ie. to 2008)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvjs (talk • contribs) 11:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've decided to change things back to the most literal interpretation of the release dates as Apple has announced, which is "Europe" in Q4 2007, and "Asia" in "2008". Unfortunately while Europe has one flag which can be said to represent the entire continent, Asia does not, so I think a Japan/Aus combo is a good substitute --Colonel Cow 20:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apple has made no announcements regarding specific countries in Europe or Asia.  Don't make extrapolations or guesses -- If Apple says "Asia", that's all we are allowed to say.  I've changed these back to the words.  -/- Warren 04:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Release 

message: The amateur photos of the iPhone are low quality and barely capture the iPhone's screen. --72.191.51.199 01:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, in defense of non-professionals, we can only use amateur photos - as professionals are more likely to copyright or charge for the use of their photos. That's what happens when you run a non-profit system like Wikipedia. Groink 03:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "amateur" photos are real photos, unlike the "professional" photos that were used in the past (such as ones taken from Apple) that show an unrealistic screen with a perfect display.  Those images aren't even photos as much as an ideal of what the iPhone screen should look like.  For an example see here.  No iPhone actually looks like that.  That's even ignoring the fact that free images are vastly preferred over the copyrighted images people have tried to use. -- Atamasama 15:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Posturing aside, we really do need better photos here. Anyone?   — Aldaron • T/C   22:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy to add to the selection at commons:iPhone if someone bought an iPhone for me. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have contributed several photos, and the one that clearly showed the screen of a docked iPod was removed from the article and deleted. Before that happened here on WP, It was also deemed non-free due to the "screenshot" contained in the picture, and was removed from commons. – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 11:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amateur Photos 

message: In the Global section where it says when europe and asia will get the iphone, the part that says when australia and canada get it, should be immediatly after the first sentence and not at the end. The paragraph would 'flow' better that way.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.168.3.21 (talk) 09:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for article 

message: http://www.eetimes.eu/201805434 - will be interesting if true, I have been wondering how it would work in Europe, given the abscence of viable EDGE networks (or at least that the networks won't admit that they have them?) Phooto 15:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  3G coming soon? 

message: There is now a Free, open-source software-only unlock. See this German news: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/95868 Files are available for download from the Dev Team, there are links to several tutorials available. However, since the procedure is a bit complicated for inexperienced users, they should not be linked from Wikipedia until there is a simple GUI solution. Anyway, it is worth mentioning in the article, since this is the first solution that probably many people will use (other solutions need hardware skills like the first unlock method or money like the comercially available one reported by Engadged). --84.178.106.10 10:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free, open source software-only unlock 

message: hello there,
i am curious about the 3gs's cpu spec, it says that the speed clock is 833 MHz underclocked to 600 MHz....
well, it's like the Palm Pre, same cpu...
the pre also can boost up to 800-1000 mhz if you want to push it, at the expense of the battery,
but doesn't mention it....humble?
palm pre wikipedia page is editable, like apple iphone is semi-protected...
i am little bit worried about these so-so facts from apple, 
like the criticism area gone or so,
like there is an angel(dark?) who checks everything for the good image of the brand/products?
like people who had problems with their iphone, had to sign a clause of confidentiality....or be pursued...
is this normal?
where is the freedom, where is the truth?
to be continued...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.51.68 (talk) 16:13, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is laced with criticisms. I just added the problems with the moisture sensors to the article last week. The reason why the article is semi-protected is because anonymous people were vandalizing it multiple times a day. Remember also that what is added needs a reliable source, we won't add rumors and speculation that people have in blogs and forums. -- Atama頭 16:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  propaganda about the spec of the cpu?