Talk:Jews/Archive 7

message: Scholars? such as the this Martin Gilbert you mention, whose book continues to promote lies such as 'German Concentration camps producing thousands of lampshades for loyal nazi party members, made with human skin, and soap for front line troops made from corpse fat from the furnaces, what nonsense. 
This myth built up around the fact that the then OC of Buchenwold (one Karl Koch) and his sadistic wife Ilsa had committed some barbaric acts against the prisoners, including killing and keeping the skin of one inmate whose tattoo she liked. It is not known if she had this made into a lampshade or not. 
As soon as the SS Command found out about this, they appointed an independant investigator who found that the reports were true and SS Judge Konrad Morgen sentenced Koch to death for his involvement in 'incitement to murder' inmates. Strangely Isla Koch was acquitted, despite arguably being the one responsible, but was later sentenced to life imprisonment by the German state at the end of WWII. It was noted that the Judge was particularly keen to point out that under no circumstances must prisoners be mistreated in Buchenwold and that the SS command would deal with any transgressors in the same way as Karl Koch (eg execution). That hardly strikes me as a organisation hell bent on prisoner extermination. User:62.252.0.5
:Holocaust Deniers are not debated, they are ignored.  There is no amount of evidence that can shake their faith in their religion.  Jayjg 02:06, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Anonymous slander about mainstream scholars

message: Not true. Horrible trolls are banned (24 hours in this case), and they will be banned again if they remain incorrigible (?sp). User:62.252.0.5 should be taking this to Talk:Holocaust anyway... when he comes back JFW | T@lk 14:05, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Troll is banned

message: Not only is User:Sam Spade declaring this article as "Totally Disputed" he now has upped his aggression against this article by adding the  sign to it. What will he do next call for it to become a candidate for "deletion"?" He has chosen to wage a campaign on behalf of the Holocaust deniars and now wishes to talk in "calm" terms after offending the truth about the Holocaust and those who seek to deny it. Shame on him. IZAK 23:55, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I choose not to allow you (or anyone) to push a POV and remove the dispute header, but rather decided to call in the cavalry (more editors). Sam [Spade] 00:08, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: IZAK, you're verging on personal attacks here. Reread Wikipedia:No personal attacks and calm down. Blocks for personal attacks are increasingly generally accepted policy, particularly on a contentious article. "Play the ball, not the man" - David Gerard 00:13, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: (I've also warned IZAK on his talk page on this issue. - David Gerard 00:17, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: As have I, though elsewhere, and many others. I doubt he'll listen--Josiah 10:27, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: So? Next will be a 24-hour block after multiple warnings. I would hope this won't be needed - David Gerard 16:09, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: Seconded! - David Gerard 00:17, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Sam Spade ups the ante declares war on this article