Talk:Collateral consequences of criminal conviction

message: In its current state (June 25 06), this article seems to be about the US legal system only, but just talks about "the" legal system as if this were the only one in the world.  (A usual.  God I hate Americans.  Wish I weren't one.)  It urgently needs to be clarified which countries this applies to.
If you think so, then do the work instead of just whining.  (God, Europeans are annoying.)
:I guess it's not such an urgent need if the above poster hasn't gotten around to it yet.
::That's a good point, but I can't find the 4 C's in other jurisdictions.  The 4C's are related to continuing state action on the civil level and are tied to:  Deportation, professional licenses, voting rights, state educational loan eligibility, etc.  That is to say, the civil codes that regulate these matters are triggered when a criminal conviction through trial or plea bargain results.  Might be a good idea to rename the article.  Malke 2010 (talk) 22:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  US focus 

message: The consequences don't begin until conviction.  Just being charged isn't enough because in the U.S. a person is innocent until proven guilty.  Therefore, the further state civil consequences can't begin until the criminal conviction either by trial or plea. Malke 2010 (talk) 22:32, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Heard of Dominique Strauss-Kahn? Collateral consequences often begin at being charged, whether they are intended by the legal system or not. The mayor of Yurp (talk) 23:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the United States, social consequences such as loss of job, social banning by neighbors and/or political groups, are not further state civil actions as a result of criminal prosecution and conviction.  There must be a conviction before the state can proceed with civil actions on the collateral civil statutes attached to the crime.  If a doctor sells prescriptions for narcotics and is convicted, the state then begins the civil action to revoke his professional license.  If his neighbors then kick him out of the condo association, that's a social consequence. If he is found innocent, the state can't move on his license.  And if the neighbors try to kick him out, he can sue in civil court and he'll probably win. Malke 2010 (talk) 16:30, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  page move 

message: The U.S. is the only country in which collateral consequences matter because U.S. criminal laws are so harsh. I'm going to move this back soon unless anyone objects. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:58, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should not have been moved 

message: I am removing "Ifeoma Ajunwa argues that the collateral consequences of conviction could be analogized to a "Modern Day Scarlet Letter", as they disproportionately adversely impact women (black women especially) because of the intersectional identities of the women who go to prison." from the lead - mainly because it seems to be WP:UNDUE weight, but also because the source (its note 58) cites these fact sheets for a disproportionately harsh sentencing of women for drug crime, which I cannot see in the fact sheets.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Scarlet letter

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message: See DBS checks etc. Some short term convicts (one for puling a pig face when 17 at a cop!) commit suicide.  Zezen (talk) 18:22, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too short! 

message: The Reentry Working Group advocates to secure robust federal policy and funding for programs to assist formerly incarcerated individuals and/or people with criminal legal histories in achieving long-term reentry success, including supporting themselves and their families, and engaging with their communities https://www.reentryworkinggroup.org/ Catfish2008 (talk) 02:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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