Talk:Slipknot (album)

message: Well done to all the contributors to this article. Hope my comments helped in some way! -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ•  @ 20:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congrats on the GA 

message: Ok, I'm pretty sure this is notable, but I was just wondering. Should I have added the Original Digipak version, which was around when "Purity" was still present on the album? Is this version notable enough to be included in the article? Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 19:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I think so, I'm not sure why it wasn't already there. REZTER TALK ø 08:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. That's all I needed to know. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 03:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should I have added the Original Digipak 

message: In an attempt to end continuous edit warring the following list has been organized, please add any sources to the list so a consensus can be reached on what to add to the infobox. Thank you. Blackngold29 01:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Only what is presented in reliable sources and is verifiable can be added, so unless you have a reliable third-party source that states this album is nu metal we cannot change it. Blackngold29 17:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

text: It's based on Wikipedia's policy that information must be from a Reliable source and Verifiable. It doesn't have to be from a "mainstream music website" if you can find a reliable, non-mainstream one. Blackngold29 04:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

text: This album is defintely Nu metal. Its not Rap metal, Corey raps only a little bit on this album, and Rap metal is pretty much non-stop rapping, such as Rage Against The Machine. There's no way this is Rap rock either because Slipknot isn't rock. They're metal. The genre should just be Nu metal in my opinion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.164.16 (talk) 20:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We're concerned with what RS, not fans, consider their genre(s) to be. Carl.bunderson (talk) 07:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

text: --Crimson Bleeding Souls (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

text: A consensus has been met as far as genres pertaining to the album is concerned. Kevon100  Talk! If you're  ❺❺❺ then I'm ❻❻❻ 00:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Does anyone know if this is true? I think that "Interloper" is the demo version of "Diluted", and "Despise" is the demo version of "Purity". I know a lot of people think this, and I just want to know if it's true. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably is true but unless you have a source that says ""Purity" is a later incarnation of "Despise"" then it fails WP:OR. REZTER TALK ø 15:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demos re-made? 

message: Should I add a section about the visual changes of the reissue? Because the album was changed visually as well when it was re-released in December of 1999. I think these visual changes should be here. I'm not actually adding images, just information about the visual changes. I won't add it yet, I just need approval from others. If it is not approved, I won't add it at all. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 01:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well unless you have a source that can backup your claims (which I know are true) then it fails WP:OR. REZTER TALK ø 11:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know how to site a source. Can you explain how on my talk page? Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 02:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-release section - possible new section 

message: Is it known how many copies of the original version exist? I've heard a rumor that only 1000 copies contain the song Purity, but is the number actually known? Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 15:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know the exact figure... but it's DEFINITELY more than 1000. Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. was limited to 1000 copies and anymore are bootlegs. It says in this article "It was ranked by American Soundscan as the fastest selling metal debut in Soundscan's history." I think it had to sell more than 1000 copies from June to December to receive that, it was also certified gold in March 2000 which means it sold 500, 000 units in America. So no... the unit is unknown but it's far more that 1000. REZTER TALK ø 16:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, thanks for explaining this to me. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 20:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many copies of the original exist 

message: since the demo page was removed, i changed the last album link to mfkr. however, may a picture of the demo should be featured on the album as well? and also, maybe we should have a section of the article dedicated to the demo, using some of the information from the deleted article. Mastermarth (talk) 00:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Per fair-use we can't use the cover art. There is information about the demo in the first section and the tracklisting is also in this article. REZTER TALK ø 04:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  the demo 

message: I was wondering whether we should keep expanding the section on the re-release (when more details are available) or make a new article. Either way I feel we should at least insert a link in the the template for the DVD. It might be a little early to talk about this (considering that many more details might be revealed later) but I thought it would be good if we plan out all this before hand.
A few Important details about the re-release we could include in the section/article:
Album art
Set list
(Yes I got all this from ootp but found good sources. thanks to rezter for the album art)
Torque3000|talk| 11:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah it may become notable enough for it's own article, but let's wait. I think we should wait until after it's release and see if we can get reviews and other things or else we should just leave it as an additional section in this article. We can't use the coverart in this article per fair-use. It is too similar to the original. REZTER TALK ø 06:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I still think we should wait until it is released and see how much coverage it gets. If it gets a lot of coverage we could make a new article for it, if not we can add the info to this article. This article is cluttered as it is, so let's hope we can make a new article. REZTER TALK ø 18:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Re-release 

message: wasnt there 2 diff versions of the digipack for the rerelease, on US, and one international? shouldnt we add the international one as well?Mastermarth (talk) 01:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's been about 10 different versions of the album. With different bonus tracks in different countries and stuff. It's best to keep that section to as minimum as can be. REZTER TALK ø 06:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  digipacks?? 

message: Do the first 7 tracks on the reissue have to be listed, since "Me Inside" is where the difference starts? What about the 10th Anniversary Edition, where "Purity" shows up without "Frail Limb Nursery"? Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well unlike previously the track listings are collapsible so I don't think it's that much of an issue now. REZTER TALK ø 21:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The reissue section isn't collapsible, but I'm pretty sure it was intentional because it's the most common version of the album. I understand why all the tracks are listed on all three main versions now. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 22:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track Listing section 

message: Couldn't this album be labeled death metal too? It does have a clear nu-metal sound but if you compare it to other nu-metal albums it is much more extreme and has death metal elements? Slipknot has said before that death metal makes up a big part of their sound. Same goes for the Iowa album. 70.130.60.254 (talk) 22:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be. If you have a source to back up the claim then add it. blackngold29 01:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this? [] 70.245.160.120 (talk) 19:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Metal 

message: Should we include an image of "The Demo" in the infobox? if not in the infobox, to the side? I am aware there are plenty of versions of this album, and we do not list them all in the "Track Listing" section, but if they are mentioned within the page (especially in the Track Listing section), then they should also have a matching album cover. Correct? CrowzRSA 21:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slipknot Demo 

message: Isn't that Josh Brainard third to the left in the album art? If it is, couldn't that show he was credited? And if that doesn't show that he's credited, shouldn't it be noted or be somewhere in the Personnel section? CrowzRSA 22:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Josh Brainard: Credited? 

message: Can the 10th anniversary edition be classified as a box set? I just need a consensus on this for the Discography page.Torque3000<sp>|talk|</sup> 12:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't classify it as a box set; rather, i would either classify it as a Compilation album, Studio album, or even a Double album, but not a box set, because a box set is  a "compilation of various musical recordings, films, television programs, or other collection of related things that are contained in a box." It is not in a box, rather it is in a digpak/album case. So question is, Should it be considered a compilation album? CrowzRSA 01:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Well the ones I've seen have been both CD cases and digipaks. Examples: here, here, and here. However I found that there was a box set version but it isn't as popular as the digipak/CD version. The box set is a Deluxe Edition, as seen here. I think it should be included somewhere. Il put it in the article. CrowzRSA 21:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I would go ahead and try, and see if it gets reverted. CrowzRSA 23:28, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Box Set 

message: I do not think that Purity should be merged with this page. This is because the page already has a small summary of the song in the "controversy" section. The page does not need anymore information than it has. The Purity page is labeled as a "STUB" article but still displays a significant amount of information about the song. Adding information will be seen in the future, and I will try to raise the class level. CrowzRSA 23:45, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how Purity meets the criteria to have its own article. It cites only one RS and it is related to the band in general and not the song itself. blackngold29 05:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's includes the controversy, it includes the concept, information on it's demo version, it's prelude, and the information required in the infobox. It is also significant enough to have it's own page. If Purity were merged to this page, it would only create more clutter threw out the page. Take Daddy for example, Purity gives more information. It has a story behind it, and it is notable because it is a banned song that was later brought back for an anniversary. CrowzRSA 22:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I say if we can find reliable sources for that article, we should keep it. But I don't think there should be an article for Gently and Scissors. Oh and since we are on the topic of Merging articles, I think we should merge Roadrage 2003, Up to Our Necks and Behind the Mask into one article. Torque3000|talk| 18:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be like merging Tattered and Torn with this, and merging Outside the Nine with Slipknot. These songs are significant enough to have there own article.  Gently explains it's history threw three albums, Scissors is significant because it is obviously very emotionally filled. Both meet what WP:SONG says. Roadrage 2003 is an album including artists other than Slipknot, so why should it be merged with Slipknot over the other bands? I don't think just because My Plague is the first song of the album, it is about Slipknot, but it should still be included in the Slipknot Template because it still includes a Slipknot song. Up to Our Necks and Behind the Mask are like Behind The Player: Paul Gray, interview albums that should have there own article. CrowzRSA 19:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the articles you have created, for example Gently, have Crowz mentioned in them and as per  Wikiproject Slipknot it should not be mentioned in any Slipknot-related article. About the unauthorized DVD's, we can merge all of them into an article as "Unauthorized DVDs" or something like that.Torque3000|talk| 16:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the Unauthorized DVD's idea, but you cannot deny that Crowz existed. For example, if you listen to this, you can hear that it is clearly Corey Taylor with Slipknot. It's still a history of Gently. CrowzRSA 01:36, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Okay well I changed the Gently information from "Crowz" to "Recorded between Mate. Feed. Kill. Reapeat. and their debut album." I still think Scissors and Purity are pretty significant, but that's pretty much an opinion. So would the Unauthorized DVDs page look like the Music made in tribute of Slipknot. CrowzRSA 21:58, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Purity Merge

message: I think some of the current star ratings have been slightly altered 71.115.27.191 (talk) 20:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  lololol 

message: Am I the only one that thinks this more extreme then Nu metal? I feel more of an avant-garde metal feel out of it. It just seems to extreme to be Nu Metal  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.8.65.190 (talk) 17:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have more than two Reliable sources that you can provide me with, I will add the genre. CrowzRSA 21:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avant-Garde/Experimental Metal? 

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replies: text: Kevon100  Talk! If you're  ❺❺❺ then I'm ❻❻❻ 16:47, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011 

message: The combination of death metal and hip-hop is not groove metal. Removing death metal from the tags is a bit silly, even moreso to replace it with groove metal, which is in and of itself a slowed-down version of thrash metal with (very rarely) some outside influence like hip-hop/etc.
When I hear this album, the last thing I see a comparison with is Machine Head, Pantera, or other groove metal bands.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.243.38 (talk) 00:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  False edit? 

message: On the Wikipedia page for A Clockwork Orange (book) under #music, it says that this album was meant to be "the unwritten soundtrack for the book" and "The songs on the album are said to reflect what is going on in Alex's head." However, there is no reference, should that info still be added to this page?
Rmac777 (talk) 04:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not if it's unreferenced. Seems to be a pretty substantial claim with no substance to support it. – Richard BB 10:15, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clockwork Orange Reference 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: "The mixing stages turned out to be very challenging, as drummer Joey Jordison and producer Robinson mastered the entire album with analog equipment..."
Replaced word "mastered" with "mixed" as terms are NOT equal at all. Also: added Chuck Johnson name as he also was in charge of mixing the album (according to the liner notes from album booklet).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.0.87.245 (talk) 14:03, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mixing is NOT mastering 

message: Per WP:STICKTOSOURCE, " Take care not to go beyond what the sources express or to use them in ways inconsistent with the intention of the source, such as using material out of context. In short, stick to the sources.". In this case, having the band labeled by a genre, but having an overview based on someone not talking about the album specifically is not talking about the album. As per the last edit of "They had another album before this point that is sourced as death metal. Ultimately neither of these sources explicitly call this album death metal.", then it shouldn't' be added. Andrzejbanas (talk) 10:10, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre