Talk:Grand Slam (professional wrestling)/Archive 2

message: This is kind of a subtle point to the U.S. Title controversy.
When the Invasion Angle was winding down, WWF looked to unify all WWF and WCW titles that were viewed as equals to their opposite numbers.
So we had Hardyz (WWF) vs Dudleyz (WCW) in a unification tag team title/cage match, Test (I-C) vs Edge (U.S.) in a unification match, and they wanted to do X-Pac (Light Heavyweight) vs Tajiri (Cruiserweight) but X-Pac was injured/AWOL at the time.
Just something to throw out there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.252.172.197 (talk) 02:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's definitely not the end of the story. But, SS 2001 does have little, if any, importance on the debate. Anakinjmt 07:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survivor Series 2001 

message: This is just a thought. I understand why you don't want the US title listed on this page until it is mentioned by the WWE that the belt is a Grand Slam worthy title. But Chris Benoit has had held the US title, World title, the IC title, and both WWE tag titles. Now this is a couple questions. Would Chris Benoit be considered a Tag - Team Grand Slam Champion (If there is a such) as he has won both WWE tag titles (WWE and World Tag Titles) the WCW tag titles, and the ECW tag titles. I know WWE does not acknowledge this but he has won those titles and now WWE owns the other companies (WCW and ECW). Anyway, my other question is what if someone were to win the main singles titles, a set of tag titles and the cruiserweight title? like Rey Mysterio? I understand that the WWE has never mentioned this but I think it is a valid question that can only be answered with opinions.
:Cruiserweight is like the Women's Championship: it's a special championship. RAW and Smackdown (and I'd suspect ECW sometime down the road will also do this) have this format:
:World Championship
:Secondary Championship
:Tag Team Championship
:Special Championship (typically showcasing a special type of talent exclusive to that show)
:So, for RAW it's Diva's and women's wrestling and the Women's Championship, and Smackdown it's cruiserweights and the Cruiserweight Championship. This isn't saying you DON'T see cruiserweights on RAW or Diva's on Smackdown (Super Crazy on RAW and Layla on Smackdown are prime examples) but typically, you see women's matches on RAW and cruiserweight matches on Smackdown. Now, the thing is though, the special championships are just that: special. Not anyone can hold the special championship. Only women can hold the Women's Championship (exception to one guy that dressed up as a girl to win it) and only cruiserweights can hold the Cruiserweight championship (Matt Hardy, in kayfabe at least, did make the weight requirement when he won the Cruiserweight Championship). Besides, unlike the US Title, where's it's been hinted that it's part of the Grand Slam, considering a lot of people (including me) belive it's equal status wise to the IC title which is part of Grand Slam, there has been NO hinting at all of Cruiserweight championship counting towards Triple Crown/Grand Slam. So, as far as Cruiserweight Championship goes, it's fairly safe to assume it's NOT included in either one.
:As for a Tag Team Grand Slam, technically, you'd have to have won ALL world tag team titles, and the only people that I know of to have close to doing that is the Dudleyz, AKA Team 3D, with them now in TNA trying to get the NWA Tag Team Titles. Chris Benoit, while he's also one away, currently works for WWE, so it doesn't appear like he will win the NWA Tag Team championships in the near future. Anakinjmt 15:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just A Thought 

message: ---I don't if it matters or not, but on wwe.com, click on the title history page, and you will see that they revamped it.
They list the titles in "totem pole" formation on a chart like this:
WWE Championship ----> World Championship
I-C Title ----> U.S. Title
World Tag ----> WWE Tag
Women's Title ----> Cruiserweight Title
The first column being Raw Titles and the second being Smackdown Titles.
You would have to think they did it this way on purpose to show that title X on Raw = title Y on Smackdown.
Again, whether this means anything or not, I don't know, but considering this is right from wwe.com, I thought it was worth mentioning.--- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.250.48.37 (talk) 06:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't know if it means anything but... 

message: ---Someone tried to add the ECW Title to the Chart and screwed the whole page up.
Can someone who is a registered user please fix the page, because as it stands now the page is all out of whack.--- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.36.8.49 (talk) 16:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The page needs fixing 

message: I suggest that his World Heavyweight "WCW" Title reign be taken out as it was not part of the championship that was introduced in 2002 as a brand new title.  So I'm going to go ahead and take it out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 5TimeWCWChamp (talk • contribs) 04:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris Jericho 

message: Do we have to make the ECW World Championship equal to the WWE and World Heavyweight Championship?
13:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, why would Test winning the ECW World Championship put it equal to the WWE and World Heavyweight Championship? Second, it's not up to us whether or not ECW WC is equal to WWE or WH Championship. It's up to WWE OR reliable source (such as PWI). Anakinjmt 19:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  If Test wins on Sunday 

message: 2 items of inquiry:
1. I believe that WWE has shown that they consider the ECW title to be on the same level as the WWE and World Championships when they had the "Champion of Champions" Match at Cyber Sunday, as well as the Royal Rumble winner getting his choice of competing for the WWE, World, or ECW Championships.
2. Did someone find something to say that WCW had a Grand Slam, because if not, it needs to be taken out so the OR Police doesn't get them.
Ohgltxg 02:19 27 January 2007 (UTC)
:I think the whole idea of WCW Grand Slam is just to have something to compare WWE Grand Slam against. And, I would agree with you on the ECW title, but considering it hasn't been given World class status yet, we really can't say it's equal. Anakinjmt 22:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Number_of_World_Title_Reigns the ECW Championship has world title status since its reactivation. The Article says the information is based off of PWI. KonigBerserk 18:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First, we can only be sure of ECW World Title reigns before ECW went out of business. ECW World Title reigns since the Brand Extension, we can't yet be sure of it having World Title Status. I don't read PWI, so I don't know for sure, but I haven't heard them state the the ECW World Title in WWE has World status yet. Also, considering there is still uncertainty over it being included in the Triple Crown Championship, we can't add it yet to the Grand Slam Championship. Anakinjmt 19:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ECW and WCW Titles