Talk:XIII (comics)

message: See Talk:XIII (game) for User:ZayZayEM's merge proposal. Jordi·✆ 01:36, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Why is XIII written as X I I I in the article? It hurts my eyes... Riki 13:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  X I I I 

message: So, the RM suggestion still stands. As XIII has no need of specific sub-disambiguation, XIII "game" isn't a parallel media type subject that would be confused with the XIII of comics, which not only is the title of this series but also the name used for the main character, I mean the move is still appropriate. MURGH disc. 09:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is what WP:NCC says - i was just going to move this but thought I'd check the talk page first): "(comics)" is the first level of disambiguation, for a title you then move to publisher and then to type (note that distinguishing between media types is when you need to tell the difference between a graphic novel, a comic book and say a comic strip all of the same name). Also is it even legitimate to describe a Franco-Belgian comic as a comic book? Even if we'd reached the end of the line and needed to use type to disambiguate this I am unsure "(comic book)" would be the right one. Which makes moving it to a more neutral terms seem a good idea. (Emperor (talk) 22:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: RM summary

message: Just feeling a need to share a random discovery/connection: the SPADS (SPecial Assault Destroying Section) military group in the XIII story appears to be named for the SPAD S.XIII, a french WWI fighter bi-plane. 
--Mogens69 21:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Useless trivia

message: Hi, there is several inaccuracies and omissions in the storyline, but I prefer not to fix it myself, my english is too bad. Could someone else fix it ? Here what it is :
:XIII departs to the city of Eastown, where he is recognised by many as Steve Rowland.</br> No, Jake Shelton. But the killers have a picture to identify him. On this picture, there's also a woman (at this moment, we don't know if it's his wife, sister or just a friend) and when going to Eastow, XIII learns that she's Kim Rowland, Steve Rowland's widowed. In the same volume, Amos says that Jake Shelton is an assumed name but doesn't know the real name of XIII.
:In the second volume XIII's search for his identity leads to his capture by army General Carrington, who confirms XIII's identity as Steve Rowland, and reveals to XIII Rowland was an operative working under Carrington. </br>It is important to say that Steve Rowland is officially dead during an operation, and that's why everybody, including Carrigton, is amazed to see him coming back. Omission : in this volume XIII meet Jones, a beautiful black woman, lieutenant of Carrington. They will become lovers and she gonna help him in his adventures.
:Meanwhile Amos and Carrington meet up, and they begin to realize that XIII is not Rowland and not the murderer of president Sheridan, but a body double. Actually, at this moment, Amos think XIII is not Rowland, but a body double, but is the murderer of president Sheridan. He think XIII took the identity and the face of Steve Rowland because nobody would accuse a dead person and then, if ever he was recognized as Steve Rowland, he could change his face again. </br>after an encounter with one of the Mongoose's killers, Irina Svetlanova. Irina Svetlanova's first appearance is volume 8 "XIII against I". I remove.
:Amos learns that Carrington invented the Tanner identity, and finds that XIII's true identity was Jason Fly.</br>I think this part should be expanded. This is where we discover who is XIII (or at least, a part of his true identity) and why he has the face of Steve Rowland. Carrington explains to Amos that XIII was hired by Henry Sheridan, the father of William Sheridan, to find out the whole conspiracy who killed his son. We also discover that Kim Rowland is the daughter of Carrington. Thanks to her, they knew, but too late, that her husband Steve Rowland was a part of the conspiracy to kill Sheridan and instore a fascist putsch in the USA. After Steve Rowland was killed by the Mongoose, Henry Sheridan and his friends (Carrington, Heidegger...) made up a plan to expose the conspiracy : make believe that Steve Rowland was still alive so that the killers would be captured and interrogate. That's why XIII, now known as Jason Fly had some plastic surgery to look like Steve Rowland, and why he had this number XIII tattooed. Unfortunately, the plan was a big failure. XIII was easily trapped by the Mongoose who shot him on a boat. That's why XIII was found amnesic on a beach. Beginning of the story.
:XIII uses the presidential backing to track down Kim Rowland, and learns she is General Carrington's daughter. </br> No, he already knew. Even if we never see Carrington saying it to XIII, it is obvious that he knows. On the other hand, he didn't know the love affair between Sheridan and Kim and, above all, that Kim had a child of Sheridan. He start to think that maybe Kim betrayed everyone because she was threatened by Sheridan of never seeing her son again. That's why she would have marry Steve Rowland (to keep an eye on him, know if he could be the good person to kill the president), why she told about the conspiracy (Sheridan used the conspiracy only to kill his brother. After that, he didn't need it anymore), why XIII was trapped by the Mongoose so easily after being "changed" in Steve Rowland (Kim betrayed him). Ok, I agree this part is rather long and not necessary. </br>Although he cannot prove it, XIII swears he will make Sheridan pay, and leaves the nation. </br>He doesn't say he will make him pay, does he ? Sheridan tells him that, thanks to XIII, nobody will never be able to prove that he was number I and repeats his offer of becoming his special agent. As an answer, XIII knock him and leaves the country.
:Eventually Maria becomes president of the country, despite a plot by the National Security Agency, led by Frank Giordino, to have her and XIII killed.</br> No, there's no plot of  the NSA nor Giordino in this volume. It would be interesting to add that we learned in "Red Alert" that XIII spoke spanish fluently; and in "The Jason Fly File" that he disappeared during six years after his College years : he was a "normal" student, healthy, brilliant, devoted to sport, etc. and when he reappeared, six years later, he was a trained soldier and spoke spanish fluently. Only one person knew what happened during this six years : Heidegger, the friend of Henry Sheridan (and chief of the NSA, at the times) who hired him to "become" Steve Rowland. But all the details were removed of his file. To sum up, if we don't talk about the Minerco (as a trivia, his CEO has the face of Jean Van Hamme), the military dictatorship, the revolution, the treason of the brother... We could say this : at the end of theses two stories, XIII learns that he spent theses six years as Kelly Brian (we don't know why he took this name yet) in Cuba and then in Costa Verde, fell in love with Maria, married her, became "El Cascador" the hero of the revolutionnaries, tried to take off the government but was captured by the militaries. He was about to be executed, but Heidegger bribed one of the coronel (Peralta) to repatriate Jason Fly/Kelly Brian in the USA. The coronel secretly replace XIII by somebody else and the government break news that "El Cascador" was dead.
:While in exile in Costa Verde, XIII and his father Mullway decide to attempt to find a treasure hidden somewhere in Mexico by their ancestors.</br>The treasure should be mentionned in the part about "Three Silver Matches".
:Meanwhile Giordino fabricates evidence revealing XIII as one Seamus O'Neill, an IRA operative who trained under Fidel Castro. Before the two last volumes, we're not sure if the evidence were fabricated or if it's true. Giordino claims that Seamus O'Neill, an IRA operative, came in the USA under the assumed name of Kelly Brian. He met Jason Fly at the University, they became friends but one day Kelly killed Jason Fly. Then he leaved the country and went to Cuba in order to become a soldier and to obtain weapons and help for the IRA revolution. XIII refuse to believe he's Seamus O'Neil, but when asked why Jason Fly would have gone to Cuba as Kelly Brian, he got no answer. This last question about his identity is answered in the two last volumes.  (MyMyHeyHey) 21:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Having read all the series, I agree with all MyMyHeyHey remarks. If I understand well, there is no English translation of the series but the three first books ? Rob1bureau (talk) 03:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  storyline 

message: There is a XIII boardgame, which is quite good as I've heard.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.145.100.34 (talk) 08:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boardgame

message: Should there be an entire new page for the new side albums   or can we just add a section onto here? Stewartdc8 (talk) 06:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as there are only a few and not much can/should be said about them, I would add them as a section here. Spinning them off into their own article later always remains an option, but is not yet necessary. Fram (talk) 07:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Oh, and creating a redirect from XIII Mystery to here is obviously a good option in that case. Fram (talk) 07:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  XIII Mystery albums 

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message: We should probably create a character section, outlining only the main characters. or is it not really necessary?
Also, wondering whether anyone would like to create individual pages for each issue? It would help cut down on the length of the plot section on this page as well. Stewartdc8 (talk) 02:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters section and other 

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