Talk:Robert Spencer/Scholarship

message: * The "he didnt get a the right degree" and "he doesn't speak arabic" is a common criticism.  I think it is falacious, but common none the less.   If you disagree with the criticism.  Improve the thesis or background section to summarize why the criticism are invalid. --Chalko 16:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  These are feeble attempts at deligitimizing him, I don't suppose that having a Master's degree in Religious studies from UNC has quite registered. Oh he has not mastered classical arabic script, how many people have? How many people are there around who have even mastered classical Shakespearean English? Does that mean that no one can truly understand Macbeth or  Hamlet? His books show a profound understanding his topic and speak for themselves.--CltFn 17:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

text: actually no , lets not , we are trying to write clearly written , helpful encyclopedic articles , not cluttered messes of two bit nonsense .--CltFn 17:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look its not complicated. The quote should match the claim . Don't be claiming A and produce a source which says B. --CltFn 07:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: * I think the doesn;t speak Aribic, is a terrible argument.  But it is made and I want it left.  My problem with it is that I can't question Islam.  I find that completley unacceptable.  I didn't bring my copy of spencers book here (I will be gone for several more months).  Any one have a good spencer quote on speaking Aribic.  Perhaps we can expand the why he didn't get a degree in "arabs studies" or whaterver it is called. --Chalko 16:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  These are feeble attempts at deligitimizing him, I don't suppose that having a Master's degree in Religious studies from UNC has quite registered. Oh he has not mastered classical arabic script, how many people have? How many people are there around who have even mastered classical Shakespearean English? Does that mean that no one can truly understand Macbeth or  Hamlet? His books show a profound understanding his topic and speak for themselves.--CltFn 17:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

text: actually no , lets not , we are trying to write clearly written , helpful encyclopedic articles , not cluttered messes of two bit nonsense .--CltFn 17:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Read Classical Aribic 

message: Regarding the "reputable source", again looking at the article linked, the sources of the charges there include a CAIR representative (think what you want of them, but they are still the "largest Muslim-American civil liberties group" and so should be considered reputable) and a "professor of political science at California State University at Stanislaus, and adjunct professor at the Center for Middle Eastern Studies at the University of California at Berkeley." Seems like a reputable source, regardless of whether you agree with their opinions.
Frankly, I think the article as written is pretty fair and balanced... Having a strong criticism section is important with a controversial person, as is having a strong thesis section. The current article portrays both sides well. I have no objections to strengthening the thesis section if someone wants, but I was about to recommend that we remove the neutrality disclaimer if there are no objections. --Yalto 04:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reputabel source

message: * put the items back in and marked them as disputed.  Lets settle it hear instead of just having a revert war. --Chalko 07:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look its not complicated. The quote should match the claim . Don't be claiming A and produce a source which says B. --CltFn 07:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accurate quote 

message: Added a exact quote, but it needs to cleaned to speak more directly to Spencer.--Chalko 09:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exact Quote