Talk:IntelCenter

message: Why I Started this page:</br>:Hi I started this page, because I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the difficulty in getting even the slightest insight into how these tapes are produced and disseminated.  The URLs and websites on which they are published are closely gaurded secrets here in the United States, but they "are" on the internet, and so I am sure that they can be seen by anybody.  It's simply not acceptable for the government to be allowed to pretend that there is a justification for this kind of secrecy.  Furthermore, even if there is, in theory, a justification for this kind of secrecy, it would still be irresponsible to extend it to people whose families have been involved in this game for centuries.  There is too much bad blood in Washington for me to feel comfortable with nearly anyone who currently holds office, much less let them protect their position through secrecy.  No No No.  That goes against the spirit of the gentlemen who founded this country.  So it is that I believe, that by starting this page, I will be adding to the information available on the web, necessary to the public, to assist them to search and weigh for themselves this propagated threat, from this purported enemy.
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:I'm a little confused about the Tone tag.  Obviously, I know that the tone I use on the talk page informal and inappropriate for use in an article, so I am sure that is not what the tag refers to.  perhaps, what it refers to is the way in which I make mention of IntelCenter's recent media referencing - I admit its a little conspiratory (or whatever the word is you would use), but I am honestly quite confused about what this company does, how it is funded, where it gets its information from, and why it is referenced so much in the media.  I am obliged to anyone who can help make this a better article, and am thankful to whoever added the stub tag at the bottom.  This is something I should have added when I started the page.
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::Since no one has responded, I'm taking the tag off. hayadel 2:30, 2 October 2006 UTC
A few more Intelcenter/Qaeda videos added.  Frank Freeman 10:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I reverted this article to the last semblence of objectivity it had.  Wikipedia is not a forum for you to whine and complain about your perceptions of a company - its an encyclopedia.  That means, just the facts, ditch all the opinion crap.  If you think what was written before even comes close to encyclopedic, why don't you get 10 big wikipedia editors down here and have them give their opinions.  65.210.107.101 22:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the hell 

message: I am the Neal Krawetz cited in this wikipedia entry.
--So you say ...
Zetter misquoted me. My Black Hat Briefings presentation materials, white paper, and recorded presentation clearly state that the Intelcenter's logo was added AFTER the As-Sahab logo.
--Assuming the quoted PDF files are a true reproduction of your original presentation, of course ...
They were not added at the same time. The "mysterious reversal" by me was simply Zetter correcting the quote.
--To quote Zetter ("3rd update"):-
--"I was finally able to reach Neal Krawetz at the BlackHat conference to respond to the questions about the IntelCenter and As-Sahab logos ... He now says that the error levels on the IntelCenter and As-Sahab logos are different and that the IntelCenter logo was added after the As-Sahab logo. **However, in a taped interview I conducted with him after his presentation, he said the logos were the same error levels and that this indicated they were added at the same time. Additionally, after I'd written the first blog entry about his presentation, I asked him to read it to make sure everything was correct. He did so while sitting next to me and said it was all correct.** [My emphasis.]"
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/08/researchers-ana.html 
The continual spread of the false statement can be traced to a conspiracy forum called the "Prison Planet" (www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/020807tapesdoctored.htm and www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/030807_reverses_stance.htm). They are much more interested in spreading conspiracies than any truth.
Prior to my presentation, the Prison Planet claimed that the IntelCenter was actually creating the Al Qaeda videos (www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/180707oldfootage.htm). They do not seem to understand that organizations like the IntelCenter, SITE, and Laura Mansfield acquire terrorist media from various public and online forums and analyze them. In the event that they clean up the videos (IntelCenter frequently sharpens and recolors videos to make them more intelligible to analysts), they apply their logo to the video. The logos (IntelCenter, SITE, and Laura Mansfield) indicate who post-processed the already-released media.
Even after being informed of their inaccuracies, the Prison Planet has continued to repeat the false statement (http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/115-Conspiracy-Crossing.html).
Since I am the subject discussed in this wikipedia article, I will leave the editing to someone else -- I don't want to introduce my own bias into the article.  However, there is no conspiracy and I did not "went back on his original statement". My original statement is that the IntelCenter added their logo AFTER the As-Sahab logo was added.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hackerfactor (talk • contribs) 13:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Question of authenticity 

message: Well, why?--221.239.225.113 (talk) 15:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Every question has an answer, it seems. The user Billinghurst is said to be employed by IntelCenter. May someone please take action against that user?--207.126.92.2 (talk) 10:35, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: <laughing> yep sure, and if that is your belief, we should truly not be using anything that you source and treat as evidence. Find an alternate and credible source for the statement, taliban.no is neither credible or authoritative for an encyclopaedia, see Wikipedia:Citing sources.  For your information, I am the penguin's representative to Middle Earth. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:49, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why removing reference to interview with Ian Clark?