Talk:2007 Pacific typhoon season/Archive 1

message: Reference #1 gives info about the EPac, not the WPac. http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/G1.html says that the season is from July to November. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 05:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: season is year-a-round.. cyclone is minimum during Feb-mid Mar and the main season is from Jul-Nov. - グリフオーザー 20:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad reference 

message: Hi, just drawing attention to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Tropical cyclone discussion archives. Up for deletion are all the archives of discussion about tropical cyclones on the seasonal pages, as opposed to the archives of Wikipedia-related discussion. See the nomination for the rationale for deletion. The thoughts of contributors here be appreciated on the discussion.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MfD on discussion archives 

message: Why doesn't the infobox have the active template? ---CWY2190TC 04:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: It did, after all, very briefly make it into the West Pacific as a depression before dissipating. —Cuiviénen 16:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not from JTWC, and it only appeared once on the JMA's METAREA bulletin. JMA commonly declares systems like these TDs, so we don't include them. – Chacor 16:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we say on the Epac Page that it made it to the Wpac But it was only Reconised by the JMA as a Tropical Depression  Jason Rees 17:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're missing my point. Weak systems like these are occasionally called TDs by the JMA, but in reality no agency issues just one advisory on any system (there always is a second one at the very least saying it has dissipated). The JMA commonly does this, which is why we don't include JMA weak TDs in this article. A JMA weak TD often never goes beyond INVEST stage, which effectively is what the remnants of Cosme were. I don't think it's necessary to add that to the PHS article, it'd be like saying Cosme made it to the WPac as an INVEST. Just to further illustrate my point: last year 02C or 03C (can't remember which, might have been both) made it to the WPac as a weak JMA TD after the CPHC had declared it dissipated. – Chacor 18:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The JTWC had the remnants of Cosme as a tropical disturbance [15-20 kts] before it was marked completely dissipated in the WPAC. - グリフオーザー 04:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but we don't cover disturbances. – Chacor 05:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Include Cosme? 

message: So many of the updates have not been archived to it will be tough to make an entire prose.  Any ideas? ---CWY2190TC 23:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I counted 17 JMA advisories here. ---CWY2190TC 23:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: unless I am not thinking correctly. - グリフオーザー 01:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All of them aren't there but some are. ---CWY2190TC 01:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. Here is all the JMA data the program captured from the 28th to the present. The first few files on the 28th are blank; later in the day the TD first appears. -- RattleMan 04:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote up the prose using the WX-TROPL mailing list archives, since no one webcited the JMA advisories (station is RJTD, heading is WTPQ). --Coredesat 08:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usagi prose 

message: this may be in the wrong place but Ive just finished updating using the Jtwc advisorys and the jma one. Now it looks like the jma advisory @ 21.00 is the last advisory can some one confirm if this is the case??Jason Rees 22:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: nope, the JMA would have marked Extratropical Low at 21:00 UTC advisory. - グリフオーザー 02:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usagi 

message: Just as a heads up, I'm working on a sandbox article for Sepat. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is expected to hit anytime now, so if there's an article, we'd be happy to help. --Howard the Duck 13:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is expected to hit us tomorrow with the current forecast having the eye pass very close to where I live.  I will contribute as much as I can - unless the power goes out - linking relevant Taiwan media information in English and Mandarin.  ludahai 魯大海 00:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sepat sandbox 

message: Why does this page primarily rely on Japan as the main source of data?  The current Super Typhoon is closer to Taiwan than to Japan and the numbers from the Taiwan CWB are different than those coming from Japan.  ludahai 魯大海 05:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Japan is the RSMC for the Northwest Pacific.  They are the official agency...all others are unofficial. ---CWY2190TC 05:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Note, we can and should be linking to the CWB when Taiwan is threatened (like we link PAGASA or the HKO), but this isn't 2007 Taiwan typhoon season, this is for the whole basin. So while we can and should link to the various National Met Services, the overall information we use should still be the top-level agency for the basin, which is the JMA. – Chacor 06:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Taiwan, to my knowledge, is not a full member of the JMA.  What makes Taiwan's CWB unofficial?  It is official here in Taiwan!  ludahai 魯大海 13:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The WMO-designated RSMC overseer for the region is Japan's Meteorological Agency. For every country within the region, their respective national met service is official within their own land and waters. Therefore you in Taiwan should continue to listen to the CWB, just as how someone in the Philippines should listen to PAGASA. However, for the whole region - which is what this article is for, the whole Pacific west of the date line - the JMA's analysis is the top-level. I hope that clears it up a little. – Chacor 13:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: JMA is no higher than Taiwan's CWB.  Taiwan's does not recognize the JMA as being above it as it is denied membership.  As the storm is approaching Taiwan waters, Taiwan's data is likely to be more accurate and most certainly is more current.  ludahai 魯大海 00:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Believe me, our PAGASA gets its forecasts wrong, so JMA may actually have more accurate forecasts. --Howard the Duck 01:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We are supposedly NOT reporting forecasts, or I would have already included the forcast that this storm will hit Taiwan tomorrow morning.  We are only reporting data.  No offense to the Philippines, but Taiwan has far more advanced capabilities than the Philippines has.  ludahai 魯大海 02:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I betting the JMA has better capabilities, despite the distance. --Howard the Duck 03:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On what basis?  Taiwan's capabilities are pretty good and we have the advantage (or disadvantage as the case may be) of proximity.  Would you continue to hold that he JMA has better capabilities once the storm has made landfall in Taiwan tomorrow morning?  ludahai 魯大海 07:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  To the best of my knowledge, all weather agencies of the world look at the same satellite images, so there's no way for any nation to say they're better when distance from the eye is the sole criterion. --Howard the Duck 15:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Taiwan's CWB is also official.  ludahai 魯大海 02:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What does the CWB offer in place of the JMA? Do they have the same data? --Howard the Duck 03:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The data is SLIGHTLY different.  The major contribution that can be gained by using Taiwan data is that it is updated more frequently as it is now in the Taiwan area.  As it gets closer, various advisories and the characteristics of the storm are sure to be more accurate.  As it is, there is not a significant difference in that respect at this time.  ludahai 魯大海 05:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  We won't be putting specific advisories like what the PAGASA uses (Storm Signals 1-4, etc.), as for frequency of updates, I'm no meteorologist, but the most important data IMHO are wind speed, gustiness and direction of the storm. The only data I can think that could be Taiwan-specific, or any country for that matter, are the fatalities and the damages. --Howard the Duck 05:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Not for our purposes. While it might be official for Taiwan (I don't know, I haven't read the debate), for international purposes is is the JMA, which was appointed by the WMO. Hurricanehink (talk) 03:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  Don't you just love a clusterfuck. JMA, and to an extent, JTWC are official across the Northwestern Pacific basin. While local warnings from the CWB should definitely be included, let's keep the position based on the world-wide centers, as they're the ones who publish the best track which we'll eventually use. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 05:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is CURRENT information.  Which information is the MOST CURRENT?  Taiwan's CWB!  ludahai 魯大海 05:22, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you vouch for the accuracy of the CWB information? The world-wide meteorological community uses the JMA positions, and their practices are well-documented. And, oh, CWB's position info is unofficial in the rest of the world. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 05:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Vouch for the information?  Where is the storm now?  Approaching Taiwan.  WHat is the relevant government authority in this area?  The Taiwan CWB.  JMA has no authority over Taiwan or its territory.  Its information is useful, but at this point, Taiwan's information is MORE TIMELY and thus, in the effort of presenting the LATEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION, it should be included!  ludahai 魯大海 07:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why primarly rely on Japan as main source 

message: Cease fire.  I will focus my efforts to contributing the the Typhoon Sepat (2007) article.  This fighting is useless and counterproductive.  Frankly, as the storm is bearing down on my home, I have other things to worry about.  ludahai 魯大海 09:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's stop this