Talk:Giovanni Gentile

message: As Gentile was an early philosopher of Fascism, classifying him as a socialist in the lead when 1: Fascism is a direct counter to socialism, 2: No mention of his alleged socialist ties are made in the article, and 3: The only source that calls Gentile a socialist is from a fringe right-wing website, there is no question that the moniker "socialist" does not belong in the lead or in the article at all. Etzedek24 (Would it kill ya to leave an edit summary?) 18:19, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: A. James Gregor's detailed article from the esteemed Journal of the History of Ideas (among countless other sources that you've hidden away as "forum-like discussion") says otherwise... or at least shows how deeply Gentile was influenced by Marx and socialism.  https://www.jstor.org/stable/2707846  You're blocking literally all attempts to bring this fact to light. Your political bias is showing.  Be objective. Bzzzing (talk) 16:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Bzzzing. It is no coincidence that Giovanni Gentile - the creator of fascism, was openly inspired by the likes of Marx and the article will be updated to show this, as it used to.Glaaaastonbury88 (talk) 08:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

text: If we're talking about World Net Daily, this has been found to be unreliable over and over at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard, most recently (afaik) at RS/N Archive 113 also at (1, 2, 3, 4).  If you wanted an updated opinion on this, you could open a request at WP:RS/N quoting these links, and asking whether this consensus still holds. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 09:47, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's common to avoid talking about it, because it's uncomfortable to many people... but Gentile absolutely was a socialist.  His views openly talk about it... he even quotes Marx repeatedly.  Also, the view that "Fascism is a direct counter to socialism" is not technically correct... it's what's called "folk wisdom".  The economics of Gentile's Fascism are an almost exact copy of Marx's socialism.  I know there will be a great deal of argument here, but you simply need to read his work.  Bzzzing (talk) 01:33, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gentile was not a socialist. Full stop. This argument has been had before, and it is not going to happen again. See the thread.  Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 01:42, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gentile WAS a socialist.  Full stop.  Your argument has been made before, and it very likely will happen again, because as I said, people don't want socialism and fascism to be connected in any way, despite the fact that they very clearly are.  You're also the person who said socialism was the "direct counter" to fascism.  I'll ask any of my colleagues in the economics department if that's the case, because you obviously think I'm biased... somehow I think I know what they'll say.  Bzzzing (talk) 09:32, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

text:  In any case, this talk page isn't meant to be a forum for discussion of the subject. Either make a (sourced) change or stop posting (but any change you make will be against consensus and will be reverted anyway). The material that claimed Gentile was a socialist was removed because the source provided was unreliable. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 16:07, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gentile = not a socialist 

message: Should WorldNetDaily be considered a credible source for calling Gentile a socialist in the lead? Gentile's alleged socialist ties are not discussed at any other point in the WP article. Etzedek24 (Would it kill ya to leave an edit summary?) 00:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: *Note: This topic has been listed at Wikipedia:AN/RFC to be assessed for closure. Mathglot (talk) 22:17, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC re: sourcing of socialist claim 

message: the part about his death sources the Italian Wikipedia page. Citing a wikipedia page is against Wikipedia editing guidelines, thus this should be edited to either have a different citation, or to change the information entirely. Comradeka (talk) 03:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad Source