Talk:Pirin Macedonia

message: ===Intro===
Pirin Macedonia (Macedonian: Пиринска Македонија),[irrelevant language spoken by 3000 people out of 350,000 Bulgarian inhabitants] is one of the parts of Macedonia. Macedonia was a single geographic entity until the Balkan Wars of 1912-13. As a result of the Treaty of Bucharest, Macedonia was partitioned among Serbia, Greece, and Bulgaria. 
Upon annexation of Macedonia's territory, Bulgaria began terrorist campaigns!!!! aimed at expellingwhere? where are those "expelled" or forcibly assimilatingas opposed to forcibly nationalizing of the others? the indigenous ethnic Macedonian population. Bulgaria continue this policy today within EU!! by denying the existenceI have an opposite official source of the largeLOL ethnic Macedonian minorities within their respective territories and refusing to grant them their basic human rights.
::I added a few notes above that indicate the theme of the "article".NikoSilver 20:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this version is the very paradigm of a POV fork, actually. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have nothing against its existence, it's just that someone has to write an article, and I don't see why it can't be covered within the Blagoevgrad Province article. I seriously doubt we need articles on Vardar Macedonia, Aegean Macedonia and the like (e.g. Mala Prespa and Golo Bardo), as it seems, all they do is attract vandals and irredentists, and as terms they can easily be covered within the articles on the entities they are synonymous with. Of course, I'd like to hear what you think before doing anything. Todor→Bozhinov 21:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now that you mention it, merging the others (partly into their respective real-world-geography twins, and partly into "...(terminology)") might be not such a bad idea. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't object if you decide to formulate such a solution (I'll even try to help). However, Aegean Macedonia, for instance, has a sufficient separate context. It seems that merging them would create more problems. On the one hand, Mk (term) cannot absorb any more details on these (IMO -- and despite that it doesn't "serve" my nationalistic interests). On the other hand, the articles themselves (in this case Macedonia (Greece)) will not be benefited by fringe --or not so fringe-- nationalistic theories. It would be undue for Macedonia's proper content. I'm all ears though... NikoSilver 21:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Albanian one is OK too, there's no other article in which that information can be placed. Unlike in Greece and Bulgaria, FYROM's irredentist regions do not correspond exactly to official local administrative units in Albania.--Ploutarchos 21:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hahaha 

message: Pirin Macedonia (Macedonian: Пиринска Македонија),[irrelevant language spoken by 3000 people out of 350,000 Bulgarian inhabitants] is one of the parts of Macedonia. Macedonia was a single geographic entity until the Balkan Wars of 1912-13. As a result of the Treaty of Bucharest, Macedonia was partitioned among Serbia, Greece, and Bulgaria. 
Upon annexation of Macedonia's territory, Bulgaria began terrorist campaigns!!!! aimed at expellingwhere? where are those "expelled" or forcibly assimilatingas opposed to forcibly nationalizing of the others? the indigenous ethnic Macedonian population. Bulgaria continue this policy today within EU!! by denying the existenceI have an opposite official source of the largeLOL ethnic Macedonian minorities within their respective territories and refusing to grant them their basic human rights.
::I added a few notes above that indicate the theme of the "article".NikoSilver 20:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: Mustafa Akalp's out of the blue reversion having seen my comment in Fut.Perf's talk. Does he have the absolute clue? I seriously doubt it.NikoSilver 20:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:POINT]]

message: I agree with Fut.Perf. that this article should exist on the same philosophy of Aegean Macedonia, United Macedonia, or Mala Prespa and Golo Bardo etc. But that's not it, definitely.NikoSilver 20:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this version is the very paradigm of a POV fork, actually. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have nothing against its existence, it's just that someone has to write an article, and I don't see why it can't be covered within the Blagoevgrad Province article. I seriously doubt we need articles on Vardar Macedonia, Aegean Macedonia and the like (e.g. Mala Prespa and Golo Bardo), as it seems, all they do is attract vandals and irredentists, and as terms they can easily be covered within the articles on the entities they are synonymous with. Of course, I'd like to hear what you think before doing anything. Todor→Bozhinov 21:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now that you mention it, merging the others (partly into their respective real-world-geography twins, and partly into "...(terminology)") might be not such a bad idea. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't object if you decide to formulate such a solution (I'll even try to help). However, Aegean Macedonia, for instance, has a sufficient separate context. It seems that merging them would create more problems. On the one hand, Mk (term) cannot absorb any more details on these (IMO -- and despite that it doesn't "serve" my nationalistic interests). On the other hand, the articles themselves (in this case Macedonia (Greece)) will not be benefited by fringe --or not so fringe-- nationalistic theories. It would be undue for Macedonia's proper content. I'm all ears though... NikoSilver 21:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Albanian one is OK too, there's no other article in which that information can be placed. Unlike in Greece and Bulgaria, FYROM's irredentist regions do not correspond exactly to official local administrative units in Albania.--Ploutarchos 21:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pirin Mk

message: I have protected this article to stop the edit-war. If editors of this article can come to a consensus about what to do with this page here, then we can lift the protection before it expires in two weeks. If you can't come to a consensus, I can just re-protect it for another two weeks. I prefer consensus.--Chaser - T 17:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: Pirin Macedonia is unique article in wikipedia. You cannot redirect it to the article of Blagoevgrad province. And one question for you, Why in bg.wikipedia.org exist the article named Pirin Macedonia (or in Bulgarian Пиринска Македония)? One reason why is because your friends in Bulgaria know that Blagoevgrad Province is not the same as Pirin Macedonia. And what you do here? You try to spread the Bulgarian nationalistic POV, because you know that a lot of people from all over the world read English edition of wikipedia and you hope that they will believe you. --Brest 11:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not insert blatant nationalistic POV in the article. This is your last warning. Mr. Neutron 13:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And then what you will do it? Mr. Pozitron, die for it?--Brest 16:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have rather irredentist reasons behind your article while the on in bgwikipedia si about a historical Bulgarian region --Laveol T 13:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Historical bulgarian region? Where you constantly suppress human rights of those who claim that are Macedonians. Sorry, Pirin Macedonia is part of Macedonia, simple, because of that it is called Pirin Macedonia not Pirin Bulgaria, and because of that you avoid to use the term Pirin Macedonia and rather use today administrative name of region - Blagoevgrad Province. But as much as you force to forget the term Pirin Macedonia, in fact you very well understood that it is reality and other visitors here will realise that you try to cheat them.--Brest 16:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, this is a violation of Wikipedia:POV fork and will not be tolerated. If you have some constructive suggestions, make them at Blagoevgrad oblast. Mr. Neutron 17:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  to the bulgarians 

message: There are two articles about the geographical region of Pirin Macedonia:
Pirin Macedonia,
Pirin Macedonia (region)
The first one, served as a redirect to Blagoevgrad Oblast, an article about the administrative region, to which the info about the geographical region was included. However, recently, Pirin Macedonia was created as a separate geographic article.
Per WP:MERGEREASON, Pirin Macedonia and Pirin Macedonia (region) which are duplicates of each other, should be merged into Pirin Macedonia. There is no point at keeping 2 pages with the exact same subject and the exact same scope. -- ✿ SilentResident ✿  (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 19:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  February 2019 Merge proposal