Talk:Deborah

message: One or more of the sign/s:  placed on this page without any discussion, explanation or reasoning have been removed pending further discussion. (The category :Category:Bible stories is now up for a vote for deletion at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Category:Bible stories) Thank you. IZAK 11:00, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The {} sign/s 

message: ENTRY: dbr2,    
- DEFINITION: see dpr.ENTRY: dpr.    
- DEFINITION: To turn one's back on (probably denominative from an old word for “back”). West Semitic variant (assimilated) form dbr. Aldebaran, from Arabic ad-dabarn, the following, follower, from dabara, to follow.  Rktect 12:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why is Bartelbys semitic roots reference reverted ? 

message: </blockquote> whose name means to follow was a prophetess and the fourth Judge and only female Judge of pre-monarchic Israel in the Old Testament (Tanakh). Her story is the story of the battle of Megiddo where the Egyptians attack the king of Kadesh with whom the apiru bandits are allied. The story is expanded upon inJudges 4 and 5. Judges 4 begins with a claim that Jerusalem is taken, a claim that is not made during the Conquest. The comparison of Egyptian campaign records with Judges 4 makes it clear that Kadesh is the antagonist and among the Sons of Israel who participate its the northern tribes who are at the forefront. The adversary is clerly Egypt as the commanders name indicates. Despite that Egypt wins the battle from the perspective of the northern tribes of the not yet unified nation to be of Israel, they aquitted themselves well Rktect 12:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why are Judges 4 and 5 reference to Kadesh reverted ? 

message: The following is from ANET for purposes of discussion. The place names are all clearly south of the Litani in the djadi not retnu and the Egyptian campaign accounts all place Kadesh in the mountains so if that is what you mean by undisputed then I would agree. 
The text uses the Egyptian phrase "come forth from" the Orontontes not ford it. There is no word or phrase for "crossing the ford" of the Orontes in Egyptian. 
The disputed territory would be the watershed of the Orontes (retnu) and the Jordan (djadi). 
Bordering the zone of confontation is Lebanon with Sideon, Tyre and Byblos having interests to the west of the cedar mountain and Syria and the Mitanni remaining interested parties to the east. 
Ramesses and his armies are travelling in single file as they go through the mountains not spread out as on a plain and that is why the ambush works so well. Rktect 01:36, September 6, 2005 (UTC) 
with its NOR policy, WP is hardly the place to argue circumstatial evidence from opaque swathes of text. If some scholar proposed another location for Kadesh, that's cool, cite author, book title / ISBN and page; if not, we are clearly in OR territory. dab (ᛏ) 13:06, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Egyptian Campaign Literature 

message: I have removed the following from the paragraph about chapter 5:
Two dates are given in the text, 28:30 and 28:31, the first pointing to the fall of Ephraim (722 BCE), the other  to a time near the beginning of the royal house of Israel.
As the two "textual references" are to Chapter 28, verses 30 and 31, it is completely unclear as to what the writer was talking about. Not only is Deborah's story confined to chapters 4 and 5, but there are only 21 chapters in the entire Book of Judges. As "28:30-1" is meaningless in this context, I felt that it was best to remove the sentence. 
B00P (talk) 22:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: It would be nice if the Accepted Hebrew transileration was used to spell the Hebrew names such as Ya'el instead of Jael (which is a Christianized version of the Hebrew) as well is Lappidoth which should be changed to Lappidot as the Tav in his name is a hard T not a TH.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sayraht (talk • contribs) 20:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I intend to add an edit and change the name from Lappidoth to Lappidot because I agree with your comment.SabbathKeeper622 (talk) 06:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Additionally, the link for "Israel" should be moved to the next occurrence of Israel as a link connecting "judges of Israel" to the wikipedia page "Biblical Judges" would be helpful.SabbathKeeper622 (talk) 12:43, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew Names 

message: She was a poet and she rendered her judgments beneath a palm tree between Ramah and Bethel in the land of Benjamin.
According to the scientists, there were no palm trees in this area. Deborah rendered her judgements beneath columns that were made to look like living palms. In the newst translations of Bible this is mentioned --Jakas1 (talk) 08:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palm tree 

message: This section is almost unintelligible. I've tried to correct spelling and punctuation as best I can, but I'm not sure what the sentences were intended to say. If someone who is closer to this text can fix it, I'll offer any post- help I can. rowley (talk) 21:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Historical and Biblical Context" Section 

message: Category:Islamic personalities mentioned in the Hebrew Bible,
Category:Christian female saints from the Old Testament,
Category:Muslim female saints from the Old Testament,
Category:Muslim female saints have been removed per guidelines. Per WP:CATV Categorization of articles must be verifiable. It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories. The article does not give sources for Deborah as a Christian or Muslim saint and does not refer to Islam a single time. Per  WP:CATDEF A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having". It is not a defining characteristic of Deborah that she is a Christian or Muslim saint. Therefore I have removed these categories and they should not be re-added without sources to verify them.Smeat75 (talk) 23:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a Christian or Muslim saint 

message: The reference to Deborah's Song as a hymn should link the word "hymn" to the corresponding page on "hymns" already in existence on wikipedia for clarity sake.  One should not assume that people readily know the definition of "hymn." SabbathKeeper622 (talk) 07:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deborah's Song 

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