Template talk:Infobox album/Archive 3

message: Could someone who knows all this estoric stuff add a Type field similar to this template to the  template? I've asked for it to be done on that talk page and the one for Extra chronology, and there has been no response. Thanks. -- Reaper  X 15:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Help with Extra tracklisting template

message: Is there a reason why there's a blank line after the "Next album" field?  It seems to be taking up unnecessary space.  ShadowHalo 01:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is indeed some unnecessary whitespace in the chronology section. Could somebody fix this? Jogers (talk) 18:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a problem; can you give a link to an instance where this is broken? CMummert · talk 16:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the first usage example at the template documentation. There is more whitespace in the chronology section than it used to be (for example in this revision). I don't know what causes this. Jogers (talk) 11:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jogers: ahem. :) Bubba hotep 11:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorted out. Sorry :-) Jogers (talk) 12:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: .  Since no specific edit is requested, I am removing the EP tag. Please investigate the issue using a sandbox and add another editprotected tag when you have a concrete edit suggestion.  CMummert · talk 12:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Line break 

message: I made a change to Template:Infobox Album/doc to refer only to  and  and never to  or , after bringing this up on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums, not realizing this talk page was also active. Another change that I'd like to make is to change this: Caption allows an optional header to be inserted, with an explanatory label. to this: Upper caption allows an optional header to be inserted and Lower caption allows for an optional explanatory label. since there is no Caption field. Anyone object? --PEJL 07:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --PEJL 08:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Extra album cover 2 and Extra chronology 2 templates

message: Is the "cover size"-parameter broken? At least I cannot get it to work... ---Lhademmor 12:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cover size default is 200px whatever you try to change it to. Bubba hotep 12:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, I don't know whether it is broken, because I've never used it. Hmm. Sorry. Bubba hotep 12:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, the template isn't broken, however, it is poorly documented.  Most of the time you would specify the size you want as "150px" or whatever.  It appears, however, that the "px" cannot be included in the field.  The code ( px ) looks for a strict numeric value.  Simply write out only the numeric value sans a value modifier like "px" and it will work just fine.  I've tested it and it's good.  (What you are seeing when including the "px" is the native size of the image, which is almost always much larger than desired.)  I'll make an addendum to the doc shortly.  -- Huntster T • @ • C 13:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cover size broken? 

message: Like with the request for a remix/mix album, I was thinking that a "rarities" album type should be included as a green entry with the "compilations" and such. Examples I know of are My Lives, Anthology 3: Rarities and Afterglow (Crowded House album). I'm sure there's more, but that's what comes to mind quickly. Who's for this?--lincalinca 14:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I see it, irregardless of actual content, it is still just a compilation album.  There is no need to complicate things any more than necessary, and I cannot imagine there are a significant number of these subsets of albums.  If you want to specify that they are Rarities, use "longtype". -- Huntster T • @ • C 14:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rarities"/"Rarity" section 

message: this is a request for a split album type. this type of album includes sampler cds put out by record labels, such as The Bled/From Autumn To Ashes Vagrant Sampler and split cds such as Here She Comes Now/Venus in Furs by Nirvana and The Melvins. See Split album and sampler album/sampler record (they will hopefully be merged soon). Violask81976 23:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  split album color 

message: For artists that have a separate discography page, it would be nice to have link to that page (and not just to the artists' main page) in this template. For example, the second occurrence of  (before "Chronology") could link to the discography instead. ChKa 17:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is already possible to do know with the "chronology" parameter (see Template:Infobox Album/doc#Advanced usage) but I don't think it would be very intuitive. You can always place the link in the article's "see also" section. Jogers (talk) 17:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the artist has enough releases to warrant a discography page, then it's usually a good idea to have a navigational template anyway.  ShadowHalo 18:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography link 

message: Someone already raised the idea of adding this to the template a year ago. The balance of opinion by the people who weighed in then seemed to be in favor, but it never happened. It really should - this is exactly the kind of basic, consistent and concise information that infoboxes are good for. The Infobox Single template already includes chart positions. Anyone else agree they belong on the Album Infobox? InnocuousPseudonym 19:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Violask81976 19:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While I support having this included (possibly as a secondary template for the Misc field), the fact that it is somewhat limited in implimentation means that folks will continue to add chart positions to the body of the article, which this template should theoretically eliminate.  If some method could be found to bring this proposal into line with WP:CHART, it would be fantastic. -- Huntster T • @ • C 20:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not a fan of including chart listings. Of course, I'm not a big fan of including reviews, either. I prefer to keep things as concise as possible. The infobox often becomes longer than the text. What do you recommend? How many charts, for example? All of them? The most important four? -Freekee 00:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Freekee.  The infobox is already pretty big, and it's best not to make it even bigger.  ShadowHalo 01:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Album chart positions

message: Can we add one more field to this template, for "Catalog number" (preferably to appear directly after "Label")? -- BRG 20:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a discussion of catalog(ue) number placement within the article back in February on the WP:ALBUM talk page. I think the general feeling was that it wouldn't be a good idea to put them in the infobox because, really, it should only have the original release details in there, with further releases discussed/listed in the article body. Feel free to revive the discussion on the latest talk page if you feel differently though. Bubba hotep 20:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Catalog number

message: I find it important to add the graphic designer of the respective cover to the infobox album templates. --ΛэтєяиuS 09:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can use the "caption" field. See Template talk:Infobox Album/Archive 2#Album Artist field. Jogers (talk) 10:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --ΛэтєяиuS 10:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover makers 

message: I'd like to make some changes to the infobox. Since it is , we need an administrator to make the changes and we need consensus. I'll outline what I propose be changed below, and hold off on formally requesting the changes be made for a few days, to allow any concerns to be voiced. Here's what I propose be changed:
*The chronology currently has an extra linebreak in the "Next album" section, which looks like an oversight. Getting rid of that makes the chronology more compact vertically. It can be gotten rid off by adding an extra "|-" after "Next album". (See example to the right.)
*The chronology may currently force the columns for the other fields in the infobox to the wrong sizes and vice versa, if there are long words and/or short/missing info. I'd like to use a nested table for the chronology, which will make these sizes independent of each other, making the infobox column sizes more consistent overall. (See example to the right.)
*Change 'valign="middle"' to 'valign="top"' for "This album", to match "Last album" and "Next album", because they are all vertically aligned the same using CSS anyway. I'm assuming this was an oversight as well.
*Restore this change to add infoboxes which use "Cover=Nocover.png" to :Category:Albums without cover art, just like what happens to infoboxes with "Cover=".
*Tweak the capitalization of "Alternate Cover" to "Alternate cover".
A diff containing all of these changes is available here. Any objections? --PEJL 00:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I always noticed the center chronology item being slightly off in (I think it was) IE6. Good to finally fix this. And... where does the text "Alternate cover" as coded here actually get printed? –Unint 02:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The text "Alternate Cover" is used for the "extra cover1" and "extra cover2" parameters, rarely used (AFAIK) alternatives to , added here, and discussed briefly here. To get rid of this redundancy, perhaps we should standardize on one of "extra cover[12]",  and  (most likely the latter), convert other all uses of the others, and finally remove support for the others. --PEJL 09:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I was wondering how to remove the extra whitespace in the chronology for some time. Nice changes. Jogers (talk) 08:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, let's do this. --PEJL 19:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Before I make the changes, I want to verify that the version here is the correct, updated one. Cheers. --MZMcBride 01:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes that's correct, but you can't replace it entirely because the live template contains a different footer than the test template. Specifically, the lines below the "" line differ. Only the changes reflected by the diff should be included. --PEJL 08:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. I also moved some interwikis over to the /doc page. Please verify that the changes I made are correct. Cheers. --MZMcBride 10:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, thanks! --PEJL 12:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed changes to the infobox 

message: :Category:Non-standard album infoboxes REALLY does not seem like a cat that should be visible in the article namespace. Sohelpme 04:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, that's the only way the articles that don't use it in a standard manner can be categorised. The error should be rectified by correcting what makes it non-standard (i.e. it won't stay permanently on the page). --lincalinca 05:02, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only alternative I think of is replacing the category with an empty template and using "What links here." Cheers. --MZMcBride 15:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why make a fuss about it? It's just another category, and it may prompt for someone to correct the problem. -- Reaper  X 22:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From viewing the article Words & Music, the Promotional album type is a good one to standardize for this Template; record labels send promotional CD's to dance clubs and radio stations all the time in order to keep them current on new releases as they are readied for retail.  Rhythms del Mundo is a good example of the Collaborative album type, a potential standardize for this Template as well. - B.C.Schmerker 15:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category:Non-standard album infoboxes?

message: I think it would be very useful if there could be information about the inlays of albums, like whether or not they included the lyrics of the songs.  Is that possible, and is this the right place to be asking that question?  Thanks. Gronky 19:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean in album infoboxes, as opposed to in album articles? (If not, WT:ALBUM would technically be the right place to ask this, and probably has a wider audience.) --PEJL 21:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking about in the infoboxes.  It would be great if there was a field "Lyrics in inlay: yes/no".  I've left a comment at WT:ALBUM#A_class_review.  Thanks for the pointer. Gronky 14:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In general the number of fields in the infobox should be limited, to retain focus on the most important facts about an album. There are a large number of facts about an album that could be included, but shouldn't be, for that reason. So the question is whether this is one of those important facts. That is of course subjective, but in my opinion it is not, and seeing as how noone has requested this previously, I assume many would agree. --PEJL 15:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: A secondary box is a good idea.  It seems that this same info should be covered in every album article, so a box seems the clearest way to store and display it. Gronky 17:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion about a secondary box should be moved to WT:ALBUM. --PEJL 18:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can inlay info be added? Such as lyrics 

message: Do we go for cover, compilation or what? I'll go with cover for now. --Jamdav86 16:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with cover, because while it is a compilation, it would primarily have notability as being comprised of cover songs. -- Huntster T • @ • C 17:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's actually an option for "Tribute." Go with that. --lincalinca 06:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

text: According to the entry for Tribute album, though, this disc doesn't qualify. --Jamdav86 17:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color for [[High Voltage!: A Brief History of Rock]] 

message: Please add :it:Template:Album. Thanks. --79.0.184.126 09:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --PEJL 20:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian version of this template 

message: What code should be used if you want to add another album cover after the extra chronology?  The Misc section is already used for the chronology, so I don't know where to put the additional album cover.  Can you just stick it after the chronology, before you close the infobox? I'm mainly concerned with Fall Out Boy / Project Rocket Split EP, which needs to include the original album art, before the re-release (:Image:Prfob split.jpg). I'm not sure how exactly that would work.  —Akrabbimtalk 21:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely you just stick it after the chronology. Just throw a  template just before the last set of }}. -- Reaper  X 21:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Appreciate it. —Akrabbimtalk 02:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra chronology + extra album cover 

message: I would like to add hCalendar microformat mark-up to this template. This requires just teh addition of three HTML classes, vevent, summary and description:
# change class="infobox" to 
#*class="infobox vevent"
# change | style="background: ; text-align: center;" colspan="3" |  to 
#*| class="summary" style="background: ; text-align: center;" colspan="3" | 
# change |- [line break]| style="background: ; text-align: center;" colspan="3" |    to
#*|- class="description" [line break]| style="background: ; text-align: center;" colspan="3" |   
Date entry will be by using  in the existing "Released" field.
Would someone oblige, please? Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 09:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with the changes to the template by themselves (as they seem quite harmless), but does this require using  to be useful? If so, this needs to be discussed further. (For that reason I'm removing editprotected for now.) No album articles (that I know of) currently use . It doesn't appear to be much more difficult to use  than entering a date in normal format, but it will require a lot of articles to be changed, and makes it less obvious how to use . It also seems problematic that  doesn't work if the date is not a full date containing a month and date, as many if not most of our release dates are such dates. (Many infoboxes also contain multiple dates, despite our guideline to only include one date.) I'd also like to question the entire endeavor of adding hCalendar markup to album infoboxes. While hCard markup for artist infoboxes seems very useful, hCalendar markup for album infoboxes seems much less useful. What is the intended purpose of this markup, and why would the release date rather than say the recording date be the date to mark up? --PEJL 12:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  is required; it outputs the date (hidden by CSS that degrades gracefully) in the required ISO8601 format, wrapped in class="dtstart". It's no more complex than , on which it is based, and which is widely used throughout Wikipedia.  can be omitted for incomplete dates, until such time as that functionality is added - the work to do that is already in hand. Where multiple dates occur, the earliest should use  (any other occurrences would be ignored by microformat parsers, anyway). The purpose is to facilitate machine-readable date tagging of articles, so that in future, for example, searches within chronological ranges can be conducted; or search results sorted by date. Recording dates are arbitrary and wide-ranging; an album's release date marks its formal appearance in the wider world (that's not to say that, in future, all such dates couldn't be marked up as hCalendars, with appropriate summaries; but let's walk before we run). For an article already marked-up with  in an hCalendar, see Eurovision Song Contest 1963. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 13:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: P.S. a microformat for tracks/ albums is also being developed; it is likely that the release date, using the same date-pattern, will be a field within that, also. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 13:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 13:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you. See The Dark Side of the Moon. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 14:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit protected request: add hCalendar mark-up