Talk:Abrogans

message: the first page of this codex taken from Abrogans. dheomodi. humilis: samftmoati. abba. faterlih: pater to
dificilia: edho unodih. apostata. faruuazzan. refuga. is simmilar to Latin with a score of 0.031643.*
The next three highest scoring language references are:
    RomanschLadin        (score 0.025631)
    Hungarian            (score 0.024498)
    Italian              (score 0.020903)
how look: http://complingone.georgetown.edu/~langid/acq_info.html
--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nasz (talk • contribs) .
By the way, a translation of those words into modern Bavarian would be: samftmoati (sãmftmiati), faterlih (fåtalich), edho unodih (epa unedich), faruuazzan (fawassan = to water smth. down, to adulterate). Interesting, how much similarities there are throughout the centuries, isn' it. --El bes (talk) 16:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Acquaintance Algorithm

message: Please see Category talk:Earliest known manuscripts by language. Enaidmawr (talk) 01:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Input requested 

message: Actually the language of the 8th century's Abrogans-Dictionary is Old Bavarian. This is the language the original version was written in, givin a translation of over 3.600 latin words into the Bavarian language of those days. The only fully conserved copy is the Abrogans from Sankt Gallen, which is modified into a Latin-Old Alemannic dictionary, although Alemannic and Bavarian were not as seperated from each other as they are today. Nevertheless there are fragments of the original Bavarian language document conserved, which are now in the French State Library in Paris (Paris, Bibliotheque National, cod. lat. 7640, f. 124r-132v).
Of course, historic germanic linguists tend to sum up Old Bavarian and Old Alemannic along with other historic local germanic variants into the "Old High German" supergroup, because both of these idioms already have the Old High German consonant shift. But still the actual vernacular could be mentioned.
It is also interesting, that of the 3.600 entries of the Abrogans-dictionary, 700 still remain untranslatable or have not been deciphered so far. A lot of them being hapax legomenon in Old High German, hence they were not used in Frankish texts. --El bes (talk) 16:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest Bavarian book 

message: The article here is rather incomplete, and seems in need of quite a few additions. In particular, however, the claim that only one copy survives seems to contradict most opinions. Certainly only one complete copy is still extant - SGall 911, but there are two other more fragmentary manuscripts which are usually considered part of the family. The Paris Manuscript (Cod.lat 7640) is often considered the best manuscript because it retains the assumed original form. Thereto we can also add the Reichenau manuscript (CXI in the Karlsruher Landesbibliothek).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arkitype (talk • contribs) 17:49, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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