Talk:DevilDriver/Archive 1

message: Is Devildriver really a death metal band?  Without hearing any of their music, it seems that they're simply another nu metal band that have more of a death influence.  Encyclopaedia Metallum doesn't have them listed which makes me think they probably aren't death at all? MrHate 23:38, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
:It's definietely death metal. -- corrected "Resident Evil" to "The fury of our maker's hand" - T0b3
::HOLY SHIT. you obviously know nothing about death metal. your idea of death metal is just fast heavy riffs with someone screaming. they have a death metal influence, but they are in no way death metal. Isilioth 09:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

message: Regarding 209.94.135.29's change at 01:03, 5 September 2005:
I am new to this whole Wikipedia editing thing, but that edit strikes me as 'weasel words' and not a neutral point of view. I have not actually heard the band in question, so I cannot confirm that they offer 'hard uncompromising Heavy Metal', but in theory the albums themselves would be a source to prove (or disprove) that statement.
Furthermore, if this band is a Death Metal or any kind of metal band, as has been previously asserted, then the comment is nonsensical. What 'hot active trend' can they be talking about? If this band fire fire doom metalcore band, why would 'metal purists' care about this band at all? And in any case, if this band formed prior to 2003, how could their formation have anything to do with a trend that is 'hot' and active in late 2005?
I will revert the changes.
Frnknstn 20:58, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: I concur with the above arguments against DevilDriver being death metal. What would classify them as such? Cparker 00:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Death Metal 

message: Since when is Devildriver thrash? I've heard various of their songs and in no way are they metal (even less thrash). I hear no thrash elements at all in their music. Their riffs are more distortion-dependant than anything something very typical of hard rock or nu-metal bands (note neither are metal). I wonder if the person who labeled them as thrash has even heard a thrash album.  Changing genre to something else if no suitable defense is made. Pasajero 09:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template says thrash??? 

message: I consider myself a casual fan of this band, but anyone with ears should be able to conclude that they aren't death metal. I could possibly understand that the leads may seem similar to those often played in death metal, but in no way does the classification of death metal suit them. I also believe that the band isn't solely the nu-metal you hear on Fuse, however nu-metal does take a light  influence of true heavy metal. I think this band simply leans more toward heavy metal than most nu-metal bands do.
70.135.2.100 20:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Certainly not death metal 

message: Never once has Devildriver had a breakdown in their music. Classifying them as metalcore is out of the question.
70.135.2.100 22:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obviously not metalcore either 

message: DevilDriver's music should be labeled as Thrash/Post-thrash or Groove. If you know how to correctly categorize Metal bands then you should be able to see this. They use all the elements a typical Thrash band would (i.e. Hardcore-Punk derived snare blasts, double-bassing, thrashy guitar riffs...) the only thing they don't do is solo. And they most certainly are NOT Nu-Metal nor Metalcore. They do have the distinct elements, too, of a Groove Metal/Post-Thrash band.
Someone needs to straighten this out, because Im tired of seeing things changed so frequently on this page.
:Post-thrash and groove metal aren't thrash :). Pasajero 22:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, they ARE Thrash...with a twist. 

message: They are post thrash, like Lamb of god with death metal incorperated into it
Post-trash/groove metal is the best fitting Nickoladze 01:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DevilDriver is Post-thrash 

message: It is gettign quit tiring to come back to the DevilDriver page just to see debated as their genre. We could wait until the release of their new Cd this year but I propose we decide now. Well for starters Dez Farfara's old band is nu metal which makes sense seeing as Groove metal is derived from it. Plus there are rapping vocals so we know they aren't nu metal. The absense of a turntabalist also makes DevilDriver not nu metal. There is nothing quite strange about the song structure or time signatures making them defintely not metalcore plus the guitar work isnt fast enough. The barking vocals of dez also strengthen the fact that they are Groove metal. I don't know how you could possibly call them death metal their lyrics lack the neccessary death quality and sure doesn't tell a story. The power chiords are definetly downtuned, and as said before thye resemble Lamd of God in songs which is why they are Groove metal.They are certainly not Death metal and I do hope no one else says that they are. Now I'm new tot he site but I do hope someone goes around and changes their genre to what best suits them, Groove metal. Finz 02:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ok let's decide already

message: The guitar work isn't as fast and is much heavier than metalcore. So that part of the fusion is invalid. The song stucture is normal instead of weird like some metalcore bands snd none of the songs tell a story like some death metal bands do. They don't sound anything like Through The Eyes Of The Dead, which is deathcore or The Acacia Strain. As I mentioned earlier Dez also seems to have more of a bark than a grunt. The guitara s I said is heavy and while not as fast as metalcore is similar to that of Chimaira's later work , making it Groove Metal. All in all the page should stay the same because even though it shows three possible genres they are all the most commonly decided upon. DevilDriver is definetly not metalcore which makes them not deathcore or anything else related to it metalcore.Finz 01:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: not deathcore

message: This discussion on the band's genre is going nowhere fast. So far you've decided on about 10 genres that they aren't. Why must the band be assigned a specific genre? They have a wide variety of musical styles, including a lot of stuff inspired by metal styles. Why not just say that their music belongs to a variety of genres that are mostly considered to be under the whole 'umbrella-genre' of, say... "rock", or "metal"? Obviously something a little more concise than that... I think the infobox might overflow if you tried to cram that lot in ;)
--82.5.51.56 20:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Ok well let's not decide at all, lets leave the band completely blank I mean they're might be arguments over why the original rhythm guitarist left. This is a discussion as fans we discuss these things If you can simply say why bother about discussing anything music related on the site. Why not label any band with a guitar as rock. You can't say nothing is being done especially since the site has  said groove metal since my last comment. I hope you actually are a fan of the band I myself am seeing one of their concerts on April 2oth but anyways if you aren't a fan, or in worst case haven't even heard a couple of their songs, then why are you debating their genre. Before anyone says that the group doesn't label themselves well of course they won't what's more annoying than listeners arguing with them. Fans argue stuff we always do and always will. Yes DevilDriver contains elements of different metal genres they are MOSTLY groove metal just listen to them followed by Lamb Of God it sounds pretty similar. Instead of trying to stop the discussion for whatever reason and not contributing in anyway then to tell us their rock or metal "makes sense". Anyhow that's my paragraph of the day. I still believe Devildriver is mostly groove metal while yes being influenced from other styles as well. And as I said before the fact that the page has stayed with groove metal for at least maybe even a month shows that the discussion is going somewhere. Finz 23:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why 

message: it has many emo infuleces, theyr'e not in the Metal-Archives (which says theyr'e un-true).
I think it's emo because the lyric neither.
and look at the vocalist, he looks like my girlfriend.
100% EMO!
:Thanks for the flamebait. If you've got something useful to say, say it. Otherwise you should spend your time more wisely. — Burningmace 21:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definietely Emo 

message: I don't mean to be rude but are you joking. Fall out Boy Can be classified as emo and your saying DevilDriver is. Do you even understand what musically emo is? You have made no proof or even logical explanation for calling DevilDriver emo. The closest thing to emo I can think of metal wise could maybe be Mudvayne or Three Days Grace and they are both Alternative metal. As for the main page even though DevilDrievr has the proper guitar tuning for death metal it lacks the lyrical content (some songs can be seen to deal with death especially the titles but they deal more with personal troubles or something completely different) example: Before the hangman's noose is really about a train. The drumming I guess is a bit blast beating but compared to Kataklysm or Goatwhore (which i compared it to) it is barely noticeable. As i mentioned earlier Dez uses barking vocals instead of grunts and the guitar work isn't as complex. The song structure also carries the basic verse-chorus unlike some death metal bands. The page should be changed back to groove metal or at least Extreme Metal since Devildriver does incorporate elements found in different Extreme metals, especially Death and Thrash. Finz 23:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HUH 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:DevilDriver logo.png

message: :Image:The Fury Of Our Makers Hand Special Edition.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:The Fury Of Our Makers Hand Special Edition.jpg

message: Someone recently added 'melodic death metal' as one of the band's genres, citing Encyclopaedia Metallum. However I really can't see how they are, and most people dispute whether they are death metal at all. Should this be kept as it is? Tobz1000 14:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melodeath... that's a new one 

message: I have seen some strange genre terms for DevilDriver but melodic death metal. That is surely wrong. No progressive metal influences, DevilDriver has never showed acoustic work, the song structures aren't progressive, would you really say their riffs are melodic? does anyone play keyboard? they definetly don't "clean sing". Melodic Death Metal: rarely contains satanic lyrics. DevilDriver: "Why not kill your maker instead." "The Devil's Son has just begun to shine." DevilDriver doesn't contain any poetic themes. DevilDriver isn't Melodic Death Metal so could someone please change this. Finz 02:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's two votes against... alright, I'm changing it back. I think a 'genre controversy' section could be considered. -Tobz1000 02:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melodeath 

message: I've added a genre section and changed the genre in the infobox to Disputed. I've tried to keep the dialect as fluid as possible as not to propose a single correct genre, hence the list of suggested genres. Hope you  find the change agreeable. — Burningmace 21:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solution 

message: As long as you keep groove metal up there, and keep "early" in brackets next to the genre of metalcore then I'm happy.
Finz 22:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair

message: I can't help but think that their first album is borderline nu metal, but more or less could be appropriately described as alternative metal, due to the fact that it lacks common nu metal traits (rapping, turntables etc..) Anyone agree? Dmiles21 00:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Their self-titled album (genre) 

message: And I agree. So let's agree that they cannot be categorized under any genre or sub-genre and are nothing. And you know what another word for nothing is? Shit. DevilDriver sounds like shit, looks like shit, and IS shit.
128.61.69.41 16:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I See A Lot Of Nots... 

message: Nor did I know Wikipedia was all about peoples' personal opinions. It seems 95% of the arguments in this page are backed up with either "they suck" or "because the Metal Archives says so". Shocking as it may be, your personal distaste for something isn't the consensus of the rest of the world, and perhaps even further shocking, the Metal Archives aren't as infallibly all-knowing as so many like to claim.
MagicBear 20:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I never knew nothing equaled shit.