Talk:Jára Cimrman

message: It is so sad when people have no sense of humour...
Having read this discussion and being Czech I can only confirm that all of the fiction in this article is a pure fact. (And if you don't understand, read more Kafka! :-)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.113.129.67 (talk) 16:38, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

message: Why?
* The article can simply be biased, and express viewpoints as facts.
: It does not seem to be biased. Hard to say, if this topic can be biased at all.
* While all facts might be presented fairly, the very selection (and omission) of facts can make an article biased.
: There are two facts here. Basic info about life of a fictional character and basic info about creation of this character. It does not seem to be biased.
* Some viewpoints, although not presented as facts, can be given undue attention and space compared to others.
: Is any viewpoint presented here at all?
* The text and manner of writing can insinuate that one viewpoint is more correct than another.
: Or is it like this?
* The subject or title of the article can imply a particular point of view.
: Name of the fictional character is not ok?
* A type of analysis of facts that can lead to the article suggesting a particular point of view's accuracy over other equally valid analytic perspectives
: There is no analysis here.
:Miraceti 20:24, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, "Jára da Cimrman" is a form that appears in the seminars, so it's hardly deletion-worthy… --Sabik 16:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed? 

message: I've tried to cleanup this article to make the "history" section sourced and acceptable to wikipedia guidelines, I think it looks ok but obviously there's more detail and sourcing possible. The "Contributions" section, I believe is covered by guidelines about plots, ie. the information can be kept, but needs to be sourced to the specific play or film where the event was first mentioned. As I'm not Czech and haven't seen any Cimrman plays this would take me ages. So would be good to get some input from other editors on this.. In the meantime I will try to keep improving the article as I can, and add any sources I find in secondary sources. Jdcooper (talk) 10:40, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup attempts 28.3.18 

message: First, "Mr. Cimrman" is a fictional character of the "Cimrman Theatre" in Prague (Czechoslovakia), - cf. http://www.cimrman.at/list.php?l=4 ("50 Years Theater Cimrman", 2016, Czech).
But besides this, there is also an extensive Czech popular ascription poetry around Mr. Cimrman outside the "Cimrman Theatre" and without any reference to its stage programme. Hence this: 
The name chosen - as well as its pronunciation (coming in emphasized German) - indicate, that the German surname Zimmermann is the model for the name of the fictious Jara Cimrman. Thus, these questions arise:
1. What relation to the Germans expelled from Bohemia since 1945 is addressed here?
2. Additionally there is the place of Cimrman’s supposedly last sighting in a location at the edge of the Jizera Mountains. This sighting is said to have happened in times short before the starting of World-War One. At these times, the Jizera Mountains Region was the German-Czech-Polish borderland. And it was  a region of a widespread “folk fairy tale poetry”, which ranked around beet-counting male mountain spirits, who were said to have excessive physical powers, but would nonetheless easily become an every woman’s fool. This supports a reference to the childlike omnipotence fantasies of a “Nerd”, who considers himself omniscient, - but will always fail with everything related to the opposite sex. This said, and considering the culture of speaking about the fictious "Mr. Cimrman": Is "Mr. Cimrman" also a womanizer? Or is he exactly all of the opposite?
3. Considering the culture of speaking about Mr. Cimrman, which has grown since at least 1990:  Can he get ascribed **just any** foolish characteristics, - such as the “Wolpertinger" or the "Elwetritsch"? Which ones not?
4. Which qualifications or social skills will Mr. Cimrman **never** get assigned to?
5. Considering the grown “Cimrman ascription poetry”: Could the character also occur as a **female** individual, so to say, as a “Mrs. Cimrman”? Or is this impossible, because all of the ascription poetry essentially focuses on specific patterns of masculinity and their ridiculousness? In what way?
6.Or, is the Cimrman ascription poetry - within in its essence - just about a specific perception a "German-", "Protestant-" or "Piefke Omniscience", which is experienced as ridiculous? In what way? ("Piefke" is a nickname for Germans with "zero humour habits", which is used in Austria. And it presumably also was in Bohemia before 1945.)
7. Considering the time from 1990 to presence (2018): Has there been a change in the grown ascription poetry, - compared to the patterns of ascription that were a popular Czech consensus until 1990? Which ones exactly?
8. There is a quite detailed article about "Jara Cimrman" in the Czech Wikipedia at https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1ra_Cimrman, - with extensive evidence, at least to those with a proficiency of Czech. Maybe there's something there that would answer some of the above questions. 
Can someone do some English language writing to this? --91.36.248.147 (talk) 18:56, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Answers to any of these questions are welcome on this article, as long as they are fully sourced and include no original research. Jdcooper (talk) 21:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Most of the questions look utterly irrelevant to the subject of this article... and I have no idea what ascription poetry is supposed to be in the context of Jara Cimrman --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 12:53, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specific statements on the character’s attributions, please!