Talk:Kaiō Hiroyuki

message: What is the source for the numerical values next to his Ozeki rank in the chart of past tournaments? I have never seen an Ozeki assigned a number before. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 21:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd seen it done that way in at least one online source -- the database where the account is suspended ATM, IIRC. You're right that it's not standard usage, but I think it makes sense to provide this information since it affects things like bout schedules and so on. (Also, kadoban ozeki are always placed at the bottom of the rank.) Perhaps it would be better to label them "haridashi" or something, but then what do you do when there are more than 4 ozeki? I'm open to suggestions. TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Oops! No, here's an example, in a listing of results at one of the more informative sites: . You'll see the ozeki notated as O1e, O1w, O2e, O2w, etc. TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ozeki Numbers 

message: While I do agree that the best way to get feedback on an idea or a change is to change it and see what happens, I don't agree with this change.  This use of "haridashi" is even less preferable than the number designation for sanyaku I think. It is just one more obscure, confusing term to avoid.  Your addition to the glossary says it is indeed informal, and that is one more reason to avoid it.  It has went out of use even in Japanese, and Kaio's own tourney record on ja.wikipedia does not use the haridashi designation, for any of his listed ranks, old or new. If this were the Japanese wikipedia there might be a thin argument for keeping it, but for English wikipedia, I don't see it.  I still think the extra numbers (or haridashi if consensus leans that way) should be explained somewhere under the table  etc.
:I think we're in danger of the explanatory material under the table overwhelming the table itself in some cases. At some point, we have to expect the reader to know something about the sport. Look at any of the articles on, say, American football seasons. Take last year's. Practically none of the terms are explained, and some of the discussion is fairly technical. One might argue that many English speakers (i.e. users of this Wikipedia) are familiar with the sport, but I think many more are not. If something might be confusing to the reader -- and ozeki with numbers sometimes present and sometimes not strikes me as a very minor confusion -- he can be referred to an article that explains it. But one way or another, we have to indicate their situation somehow.
:We should move this discussion to the project talk page, I think. TCC (talk) (contribs) 04:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
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