Talk:Alcek

message: When?  This has no dates. RJFJR 04:28, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

message: This article is nonsense, How on earth could these Bulgars have settled near ravenna when Ravenna was still Byzantine in th 7th centuary?? Ravenna was conquered by Longobards in the 8th centuary. Also, didnt these Bulgars settle in what is today the Basilicata? which is south of Naples. This article doesnt make much sense.
- The lands south of the Danube were also byzantine, but the Bulgars did settle there, didn't they! ;) Ivan Marinov (talk) 22:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Time Dates?

message: I do agree that the article in its present state does not make much sense. I will have to make some research and put it in order. Internedko 09:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgar settlement in Italy 

message: According to ЗЛАТАРСКИ, История на българската държава през средните векове. Том 1, част 1, Епоха на хуно-българското надмощие - ZLATARSKI(History of the Bulgarian State in the Middle Ages. Part I, The Huno-Bulgarian dominance 679-852), Sofia, 1994 [1918], p. 118-120, the migrants-refugees are said to have settled in Italy (in marca Vinedorum) around or after 631 (Fredegarii Scholastici Chronica). This story, according to Zlatarski, is a late addition to the source. According to another source (Pauli Historia Lanobardorum), which is considered nearer to the time the historical fact occurred, the arrival of the Bulgars in Italy took place some time after 663. The Bulgars were, apparently, settled in Sepinum, Bovianum and Iserniam and other at the time uninhabited lands. The historian sites the following sources: Fredegarii Scholastici Chronica, lib IV, p. 72 in Mon. Germ. Hist. Scriptores rerum Merovingicarum, t. II. Hannoverae, 1888, p. 157.; Marquart, Die alttürk. Inschr. S. 86; Pauli Historia Lanobardorum, lib. V, p. 29 in Mon. Ger. hist Scriptores, Bethmann et Waitz(eds), 1878, p. 154. Ivan Marinov 11:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgar settlement in Italy - sources 

message: These facts exist. It is written by Paul the Diakon and the chronichs of Fredegar.However i agree that the dates might be wrong. It is stated at 668 when Alcek moovedm out from Panonia, but it is know that Kubrats 5 sons, among wich is Alcek, mooved from Fanagoria after the Kubrats deat on 671. Every brother led his own group; Kuber in macedonian basin and so known Kermesian basin, Asparukh to south of Danuabe,Baian joined Khzars khagante, Alciok went to Avars and joned them and the last brother founded Volga Bulgaria in todays Tatarstan. So chronicly Alcek might went to Ravena in begining or middle of 8th century. All depends on the translation of the source which i didnt read in original. Even the name of the frankish king might be wrong but 2 indipendant autors writhe for these fact the separation, moovment, franks, and the settle in ravena.
You can read it yourself also here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutrigurs  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nix1129 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alzekos of the bulgars 

message: This article needs to be renamed in accordance with the most common English names so that people can actually find some scholarly works on the topic IN ENGLISH. His English name is AlZeco and he is NOT identifiable with  Alciocus who deserves his own article. Some idiot has been attacking virtually all Bulgar related articles with similar crackpot false synthesis ideas. I would like to encourage editors to get together for a huge reference cross-check of all such related articles and then some protections added to them. 92.40.249.164 (talk) 08:11, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I do not understand why did you delete the sources and the information confirming the identity of both historical figures! Also why were the different ways of spelling of the Alcec's name deleted. Also why do you write AlZeco with capital letter in the middle. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 08:38, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename

message: * Alzeco might be Identified with the Bulgar leader Alciocus of the Fredegar chronicle. Source 1: Istvan Zimonyi, Muslim Sources on the Magyars in the Second Half of the 9th Century. BRILL, 2015, ISBN 9004306110, p. 257.; Source 2: The Cambridge Medieval History Series volumes 1-5, Plantagenet Publishing.; Source 3: Panos Sophoulis, Byzantium and Bulgaria, 775-831, Volume 16 of East Central and Eastern Europe in the Middle Ages, 450-1450, BRILL, 2011, ISBN 9004206957 p. 108. Please, check the sources. Jingiby (talk) 08:58, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible identity of both figures