Talk:Turkish Navy

message: It is "Daima Hazır", "Always Ready/Prepared", if someone wants to add it. I think we need to rebuild Turkish military related articles, they are too weak, very few photos and information. I am willing to contribute time and information for this, especially in Navy related articles I can provide photos. Let me know, contact me, don't be lazy.--Kagan the Barbarian 08:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Navy Motto 

message: "The Turkish Navy is the third strongest in Europe after the British Royal Navy and Russian Navy."
I apologize, but this is quite an incorrect statement. First of all, the two best navies in Europe are generally recognized to be the British and the French, not British and Russian. Furthermore, Turkey's is not the third best. I would rate the Russian, German, Italian, Spanish, and even the Dutch navies as superior. I think there may be disagreements about the latter three, but I can't foresee any about the first two. I plan to correct this highly POV statement.UberCryxic 04:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro statement

message: ====Tang Class: 12====
*Hızırreis: 6
*Pirireis: 6
====Atılay Class: 16====
*Atılay: 3
*Saldıray: 3
*Batıray: 3
*Yıldıray: 3
*Dolunay: 3
*Doğanay: 1
====Preveze Class: 14====
*Preveze: 3
*Sakarya: 3
*18 Mart: 1
*Anafartalar: 1
*Gür: 3
*Çanakkale: 3
====Gür Class: 3====
*Burakreis: 3 (1 more is about to be compeleted soon)
====Total: 31==== 
Mizrak 19:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Submarines 

message: Mizrak 19:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Total: 31

message: Please compare by yourself the source of user E104421:  and mine: . As you can see his source does not even open. So could anyone revert the article, please? Kachik 01:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: I had asked you the source. Kachik 15:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: question

message: The source is given at the sources section of the article []. You can check from the official site of Turkish Navy. If you go to the platforms page [], you'll see the equipments of the navy. Just click on one of the class' name, a new window will be opened (if your browser blocks pop-ups, press ctrl) and in the new window, you'll see not only the number of that kind of equipment but also the technical information about them. This is the official site of Turkish Navy and i think they know what they have better than everybody. If you are not satisfied, please write your comments here. e104421 23:37, 29 August 2006 (UCT)
I have told you many times that your source didn't open. Have you ever tried to open it? You cannot prepare fake URLs to change the figures. --Kachik 11:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: sources

message: There are too many images in the article. Most of them are not closely related with the subject and reducing the quality of the article. E104421 09:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: images

message: Please do not remove the information presented in any article without any discussion. The information provided was very informative and there is no reason moving to any other page. You can mention the same staff in any other article. Regards. E104421 11:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Military history of Turkey]] 

message: I'm Flavius Belisarius, aka Dragut Barbarossa, Calico Jack Rackham, Shuppiluliuma and many others (I've been around in Wikipedia for a very long time).
1) Turkish Navy related articles that I created using Italian and Turkish archives:
* Kemal Reis
* Piyale Pasha
* Seydi Ali Reis
* Salih Reis
* Kurtoğlu Muslihiddin Reis
* Kurtoğlu Hızır Reis
* Koca Murat Reis
2) Turkish Navy related articles that I vastly improved using Italian and Turkish archives:
* Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha
* Turgut Reis
* Oruç Reis
* Uluç Ali Reis
* Piri Reis (I added all the maps and Kitab-ı Bahriye information on this one)
3) Turkish Navy ship articles that I created:
* Milgem
* Kılıç class
* Yıldız class
* Rüzgar class
* Doğan class
* Kartal class
I also personally wrote every word, comma, sentence, date and event in the Chronological List of Events (battles, treaties, etc.) at the bottom, which took me days of research to complete.
It took me several days to write the Admiral articles alone (each Admiral article took several days to write).
Therefore, if you think that I will leave an incompetent person, with no knowledge on Turkish naval history or its present fleet, and whose only ability is to "copy-paste", "cut-delete" and "change the positions of the pictures" according to his personal tastes (which also "I" uploaded under the name DenizKuvvetleriKomutanlığı), and eventually destroy the article (according to his ignorance), you are dead wrong.
I will be here to guard my efforts FOR EVER AND EVER AND EVER AND EVER.
If you have nothing better to do in life, keep going. But don't trust your "Irish stubbornness" too much, as you probably have no idea on what kind of people the Anatolians (Foolish Galatians) are. :)
Regards. Flavius Belisarius 16:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  @ Hiberniantears 

message: Hey, will you calm down? Otherwise, i shall apply for the page protection. I've added the links to the relevant articles at the very beginning. We can also add short summaries of these into the Turkish Navy article. Any comments/proposals?  Regards. E104421 13:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Compromise

message: "Supported by its replenishment ships, the Turkish Navy can participate in international operations and exercises on every major sea and ocean of the world. Submarines can individually navigate up to  and return to their home bases" Why is this even included, it's essentially saying the Turkish Navy are a blue water navy yet it's not got a citation. I've added a tag and it's got the usual time period to be cited. G.R. Allison (talk) 06:56, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Replenishment ships of the Turkish navy allow for the capability for Turkish naval ships that are able to operate in the required
sea state of the oceanic theater to operate for an extended period of time. This extended period of time is enough for those ships
to operate across the globe. AussieSkeptic82 (talk) 06:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange information 

message: The info box and the navy fleet by class of ship at the end of the page is conflicting. The info box shows less then 150 ships but the calculations I am coming up with excluding the ordered but not delivered or under construction ships is coming up as 192 ships.
The submarines list alone is more then ten submarines but the info box lists it as only 10 submarines are in the Turkish navy. 
Furthermore lack of information of the MRTP ship types active in the Turkish navy are missing as well as the 'New Patrol Type Boat' are missing. Im sorry I would do the corrections myself but I am very new to wiki.AussieSkeptic82 (talk) 14:23, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: not all the fleet size is written there. didnt want to make it too long. There are 10 submarines that are active, planned 6 Type 214 submarines didn't even start their building progress.--Cerian (talk) 02:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article & Info Box show conflicting fleet size 

message: In first sentence contains POV pushing and sourceless information. This article is only the list of ships that served for Turkish Navy doesn't explain Turkish Navy itself. Takabeg (talk) 03:19, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It explains the Turkish navy decently in my opinion. G.R. Allison (talk) 12:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV and Cleanup 

message: This article requires protection as there are to many people incorrectly editing it removing information that does not agree with them, such information is for example the general description of the Turkish navy, removal of European ranking in terms of personnel employed or fleet displacement. If you have a problem with the Turkish navy or if you generally disagree with the Turkish nation or somehow find that the Turkish nation itself is somehow offensive to your ideal world then Wikipedia through article vandalism is not the place to complain about it. You will find blog sites, government officials & media outlets to voice your complaint.
Can somebody please place a protection on this page and give edit rights to authors who are proven to be bias free. If this
arrogant and deliberate mis representation of facts continue then Wikipedia itself would not serve it's intended function but just
become another (globally stretching) blog site that mis represents facts and has no credibility to it's brand name association. AussieSkeptic82 (talk) 03:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: AussieSkeptic, this page is currently barred to IP address-users only. I am reluctant to restrict it only to administrators. Currently User:Takabeg is working on this article and I am watching it closely. I am losing patience with people who vandalise this page and will be handing out blocks if necessary. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs Protection 

message: I have restored the text "Today, the Turkish Navy ranks eighth in the world in terms of number of personnel, with 51,000 active personnel and third largest in in terms of the displacement of the total fleet, with 258,948 tons" as it is present on most (thus is not strange), if not all, navy articles to give the reader a gauge of size as to how big the navy in question may be. Just a heads up. G.R. Allison (talk) 09:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you have. I noticed. Would you like to justify in detail why you did so? This type of data is extremely difficult to keep up to date, to verify, because different countries report with differing degrees of quality at different times. It is also a vandal magnet because of its' potential to annoy nationalists of various stripes. If people wish to compare navy to navy, it's much better to do a finer-degree comparison between single navies. Therefore, if you do not justify this in detail, I will remove it again. All others watching this page are invited to give their opinions. What do people think? Buckshot06 (talk) 09:40, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I re-included it simply to show the relative size of the Turkish navy, there isn't really much detail which can be applied to justifying this. As I mentioned, this kind of information forms part of the way navy articles are filled out and can be found on nearly every decent sized navy article and in my experience rarely cause problems. I'm an experienced member of the 'Power in International Relations' wikiproject and help maintain many naval related articles and in my opinion the sources here check out, they perhaps may be slightly out of date but there doesn't appear to be any problematic errors. Perhaps the location of the text should be changed but removing this sourced and relevant information would appear to detract from the usefulness of the article. Now let's just see what the consensus on this is. G.R. Allison (talk) 10:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I have reworded and adapted to decrease the possible issues that may attract vandals. It now reads "Today, the Turkish Navy numbers 48,600 active personnel; and is third largest in Europe in terms of the displacement of the total fleet, with 258,948 tons". G.R. Allison (talk) 10:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. Thanks for your ammendments Mr Allison. The other issue involved with these comparisons is WP:RS and WP:OR. What source gives the assessment that the Turkish NAvy is the 'third largest in Europe in terms of the displacement of the total fleet'? If we cannot find a reliable source stating this, we are engaging in WP:SYNTH. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As I think more about this, is it really correct to say "in Europe" with regards to the Turkish fleet? Also, I can't seem to find a direct quote on tonnage in the sources given, therefore the fleet size claim will likely have to be removed if nothing can be found. G.R. Allison (talk) 08:41, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Turkey is in NATO but not in the EU. Could you find a NATO tonnage list? That would enable the claim to stay. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note:  User:ColMilGem has been blocked indef as a sock of banned User:Shuppiluliuma. All and any of edits may be undone at users' discretion. Athenean (talk) 01:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Appreciate that Athenean. Thanks for the heads-up. Buckshot06 (talk) 02:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gauge of relative size. 

message: *Does the Turkish Navy use this emblem ? I cannot find in official page of the Turkish Army. Existing image may have copyright. 
*I don't know details but in Turkish Wikipedia, such flags and emblems are uploaded as non free image. As long as I know, it can be assumed as public domain in the United States law. But Turkish law is different, even national anthem (İstiklâl Marşı) became a public domain with the amendment in December 2010  ().
Takabeg (talk) 01:07, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tried explaining this to Takabeg so many times. The file here on Wikipedia, :File:TurkishNavySeal.png is marked as non-free because it was taken from a website. He thinks however that it being marked as non-free means any other versions of it are also non-free. That simply isn't the case. :File:DZKK emblem.svg IS free on Commons because the only copyrightable part of it is the shield in the middle (which can be seen on the Turkish Navy's website). The rest of it was taken from other free seals on Commons. Being a shield, every independently-made different version carries different rights. In this case, the uploader on Commons created it himself and has released it. That is why it is free. Fry1989 eh?  01:49, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  We cannot use unsourced emblems, and according to the application in Turkish Wikipedia, we'd better think that is not a public domain. For example,  emblem of the Turkish Army was uploaded as a non free fair use image in Turkish Wikipedia. And uploaders don't have any right of falsification and deformation. Takabeg (talk) 02:00, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: IT IS SOURCED, I just gave you 4 on your talk page. Fry1989 eh?  02:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

text: And in this photo OWNED by the Turkish Navy(http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/ta1283/21762/), we see the whole seal. That is proof it is real. Fry1989 eh?  02:10, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Because the Turkish Navy copyrighted the photo, but that doesn'tmake the seal copyrighted. The seal would carry it's own copyright when it was made. God why can't you understand that? http://i.imgur.com/a3mkw.png It also is on their website, in the multimedia section, in the upper part with the changing pictures. More proof it's real, so you can no longer claim it isn't. Fry1989 eh?  02:19, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  In Turkey, public institutions also hold copyrights (http://mevzuat.meb.gov.tr/html/26412_0.html). Copyright doesn't belong to uploaders (Wikipedia users). Takabeg (talk) 02:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It does when they make it themselves. Every different version has a different copyright. There is hundreds of examples of this on Commons. Fry1989 eh?  02:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

text: The Turkish Navy Website being copyrighted changes nothing. The Turkish Copyright law says copyright for government works expires 70 years after first publication. This seal would have to have been first published or designed after 1941 for copyright to still apply. Fry1989 eh?  03:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:   You must prove that this emblem was used even in 1941. I don't have any sources to support it. And the "Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri" was not in 1921. Remnants of the Ottoman fleet was organized under the Directorate of Naval Affairs on July 10, 1920.  "Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri" was formed in 1949. Emblems used in the Turkish Armed Forces are considerable new, and they were changed several times. Takabeg (talk) 10:16, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm not bothering with you anymore.You just don't get it. Fry1989 eh?  18:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The files were kept. As I told you they would be. Next time, listen when people try and help you understand how copyright works.  Fry1989 eh?  18:21, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Emblem

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message: I'm not familiar with this article but I did come across a news article where it said "Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz's statement also said a contract to produce six corvette ships by Koc Holding, Turkey's biggest conglomerate, had been cancelled. A contract to build two ships would be awarded to the Turkish naval shipyard. The construction of four remaining ships will be put out to tender later, Yilmaz said." I hope this helps somehow, — -dainomite   03:28, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  order for six turkish corvettes cancelled 

message: The name of this page actually refers to Turkish Naval Forces, Turkish Navy means Türk Donanması. This have to be changed.
See Turkish Land Forces for example. It is not called Army, But Land Forces. KazekageTR (talk) 08:18, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  About name.