Talk:Count of Wisborg

message: Why was King opposed to memeber of royal family ressuming titles they lost due unequal marriages. Times have changed and many royal now marry commoner at it accepted. The King herself married a commoner a retained his titles and succession rights ?
: I have no source for the following, it is merely from memory and shoulnd't go in the article: The counts in this article lost their titles before "times [...] changed". King Carl XVI Gustaf has not given any titles back as he believes that would be disrespectful to his predecessors at the throne and that their decisions should stand. He isyet to be in a corresponding situation himself, and even though "times have changed", plenty of things relating to royalty are still done in a non-modern way, so no assumptions can really be made about what would happen if/when e.g. Prince Carl Philip marries a commoner./Coffeeshivers (talk) 21:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know what you mean by "he is yet to be in a corresponding situation himself", but he did approve of Bertil's marriage in 1976. -- Jao (talk) 22:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  True. My mistake. I guess that means that times have actually changed. Yey! /Coffeeshivers (talk) 15:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: Why do the Grand Dukes of Luxembourg give Swedish royals stripped of their titles the title Count of Wisborg? Is this at the request of Swedish monarchs or is this to spite Swedish monarchs? Do the Belgian & Luxembourgish monarchies have some ongoing feud with the Swedish royal family? What is the reason for this practice???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidNZL (talk • contribs) 09:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Speculation: It might be the opposite situation too; that there was a good relation with the Luxembourgian royals, and that they (covertly?) helped the Swedish court to save face by making sure that the status drop of a disowned prince wasn't very far./Coffeeshivers (talk) 21:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The first holder of the title, Count Oscar Bernadotte of Wisborg was given the title by his uncle Adolphe, Grand Duke of Luxembourg. Perhaps not as surprising when you see the close family connection. As Oscar had been Duke of Gotland since birth, the castle ruin of Visborg outside Visby on Gotland was used as a name for his Count title, although it was a Luxembourg title he got. Although Oscar lost out on his right to the Swedish throne (and the title of Duke of Gotland) when he married, he did get to keep a personal prince title as Prince Bernadotte. Thus, the construction Count Bernadotte af Wisborg was, as far as I understand it, initially a specially-made title for Oscar. It seems to have been kept on as a tradition, out of generosity of later Grand Dukes/Duchesses of Luxembourg, despite later holders having been former dukes of other parts of Sweden. Tomas e (talk) 20:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I had the exact same question as DavidNZL, and I'm glad that TomasE supplied a clear answer. Let's put this in the article!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namangwari (talk • contribs) 19:53, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does Luxembourg grant this title? 

message: "He married morganatically" - what means 'morganatically'? AMCKen (talk) 04:19, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See morganatic marriage. As an astute recent edit comment shows, however, that is irrelevant here. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:09, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Morganatically

message: Drastic changes have recently been made to the Swedish version of this article, where essential information has been removed along with important references like law Professor Bramstång's book and the Luxembourg Government's gazettes, and a private Swedish club for so-called "unintroduced nobility" has been reinstated as a vital (?) ingredient. There are now also references there to books of memoirs, which I believe (from my own memory) have been misquoted (will be checking on that), in order to falsely give Gustaf VI Adolf of Sweden all the credit for the 1951 reissue of the title. I am informing anyone interested in this article to keep a neutral eye on it and to beware of such censorship here. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:36, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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