Talk:Pacific Northwest Wrestling

message: I changed the importance level to mid because it doesn't cover general knowledge (high) or highly specific area of knowledge or an obscure piece of trivia (low), but rather it it fills in some more specific knowledge of certain areas.  Pacific Northwest Wrestling under Don Owen was one of the major territories from the 1940/50s to the early 1980s.  Even after WWF, PNW held strong as a major player throught the 1980's, and even up until its closing in 1992 still was promoting matches with tops stars (Roddy Piper, Crush of Demolition, the Harris Brothers).Theophilus75 21:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an old discussion, but I thought it might need revisiting.  The importance level was changed to low on October 30, 2009, with the explanation of "I'd say this is more Start at its current state and isn't of mid importance to the project."  As I'm as tired of pointing out as I'm sure others are tired of reading, WP:PW as it currently exists primarily parrots a certain few commercial wrestling websites, which favor a WWE-centric view of pro wrestling, including its history.  The participants appear to lack the realization that Wikipedia is something other than that.  The article is a bit more extensive than most Start-class articles I normally read.  I'm not certain that the works of Northwest-based wrestling historians, such as J. Michael Kenyon and Mike Rodgers, have even been utilized as sources.  I've seen stuff of theirs on the web, which I'm sure could greatly expand some of the sections on the history of Don Owen Promotions, if nothing else.  As for the importance level, there are a few, not many, but a few promotion articles assessed as Mid-importance.  There are plenty more articles assessed as Mid-importance covering topics which are best described as so much minutiae.  The series of TripleManía articles would serve as a good example of that.  Don Owen Promotions alone, never mind combined with other related and unrelated promotions, holds far more significance in the realm of pro wrestling than a good deal of what I've seen assessed at Mid.  Many of the active participants of WP:PW seem to feel as if articles which are easier to promote to GA and FA are more worthy of their time, and that the importance scale is nothing more than a form of kayfabe.RadioKAOS (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance level to the pro wrestling project

message: The section on other notable federations needs clean up. Specifically, the CAPSLOCK needs to be turned off--in other words the section's entries need to be redone in Title Case. Second, if notable, they need to be wikilinked (put brackets around them so future articles can be written). If they aren't notable enough by Wikipedia standards, they shouldn't be listed at all. Finally, I'm not sure this section should be included at all--this article shouldn't be a laundry list or catchall for every other Pacific Northwest wrestling topic. If a general article is needed, then it should be at Wrestling in the Pacific Northwest, as this article's title refers to a specific federation. Katr67 (talk) 21:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the caps lock should be changed. However "pacific northwest" covers 70 years of wrestling in the Northwest and doesn't actually refer to any specific company. The term "Portland Wrestling" refers to 4 different and distinct federations that all promoted under the same name. OregonWrestling (talk) 17:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are articles of the form of "Professional wrestling in...", but they appear to be specific to a country, rather than a region within a country.  I dunno if it would be breaking convention to rename the article to "Professional wrestling in the Pacific Northwest", but it would certainly make more sense, given the evolution of this article.  OTOH, Universal Wrestling Federation (Bill Watts) covers the UWF and the best known of its lineal predecessors, which were perhaps more notable than the UWF.  Unfortunately, since the priorities of WP:PW seem to be centered on judging notability strictly on television exposure than on any perhaps more realistic criteria, there's probably not much to be done about that.RadioKAOS (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup section tag 

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replies: text: Yeah, I overlooked that whole part when I linked the file.  I'm not fond of these sort of things, but I'll take care of it, seeing as how no one else has.RadioKAOS (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:Donowen.JPG

message: I placed a contradict tag on this section.  I previously tagged the statement that Portland Wrestling footage had fallen into the public domain.  By my definition, "public domain" means free of copyright.  Just because neither KPTV nor Barry Owen are challenging the redistribution, retransmission and reuse of Portland Wrestling footage, doesn't mean that the footage is free of copyright.  Someone later inserted the statement that Matt Legit's YouTube account was yanked due to a copyright infringment claim.  I get the impression that it was a "competitor" who did this, namely someone else who is redistributing footage but doesn't hold a valid copyright claim themselves.  I could be wrong about that.  Anyway, to make this simpler, these two statements don't make sense when put together.  It should be simple enough to figure out: how can you file a copyright infrigement claim on something which is in the public domain?RadioKAOS (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Legit Wrestling