Talk:Sinbad (comedian)

message: What on earth does the following mean?  
"He married Meredith Fuller in 1986. They had two children together, including Christopher Sawula, an historian at the University of Guam, and divorced in 1992. They remarried in 2002."  
Their children's names are Royce and Paige.  Who is Christopher Savula?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.243.166 (talk) 10:08, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch.  --  Zanimum 19:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Various

message: Didn't Sinbad play Black Lightning on a Saturday Night Live Skit? He showed up at Superman's funeral, but no one recognized him. Anyone care to comment?
:He did indeed, though it isn't really worth placing in this article.  The script can be viewed here:http://snltranscripts.jt.org/92/92gsuperman.phtml  Google is your friend. - 24.10.95.220 06:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But the appearance on SNL is noteworthy, so it should be mentioned. 4.232.135.159 17:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It has been added that he hosted the show, which is much more important than just an appearance in a skit.  --  Zanimum 19:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SNL

message: This trivia piece does not adhere to WP:LIVING so I'm taking it out. It's malicious POV, so in order to stay it would have to be super-relevant, and it's just not. It's gone. — coelacan talk — 19:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I considered removing the thing about his placement by them, but I decided against that. Maxim's third worst was Whoopi Goldberg who, although I'd concede she's had a downturn, won an Oscar and a Mark Twain Prize for American Humor. Their second is Margaret Cho who, even if I dislike her politics even more than I dislike Goldberg's, is quite funny. To put Sinbad in the same breath with those two is, oddly enough, the biggest honor I've heard bestowed on him. Even if the honor is unintentional I'd think I'd be quite proud of not appealing to Maxim's readers.--T. Anthony 09:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm in favor of removing it entirely. It's a malicious hitpiece; it's POV;  it's not a notable reference, it's linkspam for Maxim. Furthermore it's not an opinion poll at all - there is nothing on the site indicating that any readers were polled (I removed that misinformation, which is definitely malicious).  Worse, it doesn't even have a byline, it was written anonymously! George100 05:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Commentary is NPOV

message: There is nowhere to indicate that "Sinbad" is his legal name, in accordance with WP:MOSBIO, the opening paragraph should thus read: David Adkins (born November 10 1956) better known as Sinbad, ... --Zimbabweed 20:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have amended this as you suggested.Manning 04:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Legal name

message: 
In the light of the recent issues, would someone mind adding references to his Air Force AWOL quotes and material. I have found the following http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_n8_v52/ai_19448531 and http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1264/is_n7_v23/ai_12798635/pg_3. Thanks. --Ali'i 16:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Further: Here is at least a second-hand source for the Fresh Prince "pirate or comic" quote, although it's possible that they got that from us. More sources coming. --Ali'i 18:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be good to use for the family stuff, and other general biographical information. --Ali'i 19:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is only semi-protected, meaning only new (less than 4 days) or unregistered users can't edit it.  You should be able to edit it. John Reaves (talk) 07:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it had been changed since I originally posted these. Thanks. --Ali'i 12:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Please look at this edit by User:67.4.233.93.  A direct copy and paste from the Ebony interview.  I'll leave it for someone else to decide what to do.  AlistairMcMillan 17:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I removed almost all of it and added a reference that article, since I left the part about him going AWOL and almost being discharged. Someone else may want to incorporate more of the information, in a non-copyright violation sort of way. --MattWright (talk) 17:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Quoting writing by an Ebony writer is a copyvio. Quoting something Sinbad said to Ebony isn't.  --  Zanimum 18:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I understand, and there was a lot of writing by an Ebony writer that was removed. Somebody copy/pasted 3 paragraphs. --MattWright (talk) 19:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright violation

message: Read the section in the article.  --  Zanimum 20:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article claims that the rumor started before Wikipedia, but it links to an article which says the rumor seemed to have come from a hacked-into page on Wikipedia. So perhaps the rumor did start with the vandalized page here? - Brian Kendig 20:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It gained popularity once there was a link to us, but he started receiving sympathy calls last Saturday. Thus it started before us.  --  Zanimum 21:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that the following line of mine was removed makes me suspicious that this was all a publicity stunt. Deleted (See 19 March 2007: "Likely connected to the rumors and confusion was the death the same day of fellow American comedian Richard Jeni by suicide, which was being reported in the media." 5Q5 18:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the text here. I did so, because it is original research, and not in the source. We cannot just guess at reasons. Hope this helps. --Ali'i 19:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The same thing happened on the "Dog the Bounty Hunter" page, only nobody flipped out. It was quickly changed. Could it be the same person? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.177.33.58 (talk) 10:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hoax started before us

message: The "Erroneous death report" section contains six links to the same footnote. It's really strange to see the footnotes go [9] [9] [10] [9] [9] [11] [12] [9] ... Is this really necessary? Isn't there some proper way of saying, "This section uses information from this article"? - Brian Kendig 20:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: People keep saying that too little referencing is what got us into this situtation, and while I disagree that this is the case (it was simply that people can link to old revisions) I am certainly a believer that we should footnote as much as possible within reason. To me, this is within reason.  --  Zanimum 21:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two places in that section where two consecutive sentences both link to the same footnote. Is this really the proper method for footnoting? If an entire paragraph uses material from another source, should every sentence in the paragraph have the same footnote to it? - Brian Kendig 19:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessive footnotes? 

message: Um,  is for news articles that cite Wikipedia as a source about other topics. In this case, the article is about Wikipedia, so the template is inappropriate. —Keenan Pepper 22:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "This page has been cited as a source"? 

message: This is going to at some point be a very expensive liability for Wikipedia. Disallow any editing of biographies unless the edit is first cleared through an assigned gatekeeper trusted by Wikipedia. Nothing is so urgent that a biography of a person with access to good lawyers should be left wide open for hours to slander by vandals.Piperdown 23:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is only the nature of the beast. Everyone should verify what they read online before jumping to conclusions. The general public is often gullible and lazy. I'd place more blame on consumers of information than I would wikipedia. No, that is not what other's might think, but then again, those people are likely to be gullible and lazy. In the same way that rewriting the way wikipedia is used by users is a lazy way of dealing with the problem. The answer is to make wikipedia more popular and a better experience so that more people will use it and these sorts of "Sinbad" errors get corrected swiftly. Had many editors been watching this article very closely, this might not have happened, but why would someone, after all it's Sinbad? Anyway, lesson learned! Testerer 05:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allowing Real Time Editing of Biographies by anyone 

message: "Unfortunately, The Sinbad Show had too small a following, and was cancelled, with the last episode airing April 21, 1994." editorializes.  While I liked the show, its not the place of an encyclopedia to decide whether its cancellation was unfortunate, fortunate or otherwise.  I would suggest simply removing the "Unfortunately, "
: I've removed it.  --  Zanimum 14:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV text? 

message: I'm going to remove this section. It's ridiculous that we are acknowledging vandalism of this article within this article. I can understand the stuff that is in Jimmy Wales, Daniel Brandt, and John Seigenthaler Sr. Wikipedia biography controversy, but simple stupid vandalism? We certainly don't mention Colbert in the elephant article, and I see no reason why we should mention Sinbad's "death" here. --- RockMFR 16:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonetheless, it's notable for now. After all, the Mooninite scare was notable, and other pranks were no doubt heard and rendered notable as well, so...why not include it?  —  Rickyrab | Talk 17:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Rickyrab. It's newsworthy and important. Just because it makes us look stupid, doesn't mean it's not notable. In fact, good for us for admitting mistakes.  --  Bouncehoper 18:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree we should keep it. First of all, the talk page for the article is the most logical place to go for the facts and for the discussion. It will also help wikipedia to learn from the matter, though I don't really see much of a 'mistake' from the wikipedia. Jens Nielsen 21:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, elephants have thousands of years of history, a unique biological structure, unique mating and death rituals, extinction threats, etc. Sinbad and any other celebrity, on the other hand, depend on their public perception. As this smaller hoax (which became bigger only through AP/Reuters latching on) is part of his permanent public image, debatably it should be kept.  --  Zanimum 14:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erroneous death report 

message: I am new to this page, but I have seen a lot of deletion of content which I am sure upsets those who posted it. There are two ways to deal with lengthy talk pages. Most editors prefer the Archiving method. That's where the entire talk page is saved after it gets too long and a special archival box with a link is put in the upper right of the page. Important unresolved current discussions can be pasted to the new fresh page if needed. See Wikipedia:How_to_archive_a_talk_page. What has been gong on here is called the refactoring method. See Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages. 5Q5 18:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite frankly, half the comments I've deleted border on irrelevant, or were covered in full somewhere else. If they want to debate the policies of Wikipedia, they should go to those policy pages. If people want to report media coverage, they should go to the Wikipedia in the press page, or Signpost's Tipline. And then most of the rest was simply repeating things already discussed.  --  Zanimum 19:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving this Talk page vs Refactoring

message: I had to fail this as a good article, as it is certainly not well written. The lead needs to be expanded from two sentences per WP:LEAD, plus most of the sections house one-sentence paragraphs, which we can't have in a GA. Combine the paragraphs and make it flow nicer.--Wizardman 12:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: For your information:
In the month of March 2007 (following the Sinbad death hoax) this article got about 18.000 page views per day on average, putting it in the top-30 of most viewed wikipedia articles.
Jens Nielsen 15:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article one of Wikipedia top-30 of March 2007 

message: Snopes has an article detailing the death hoax, quoting the AP, "Actor-comedian Sinbad had the last laugh after a Florida-based Internet reference site announced he was dead." Hmmm... wonder what they could be talking about? ;-) Wonder why Snopes doesn't mention what it was. Also, the story box sounds vaguely familiar too: "Sinbad (actor) Sinbad Sinbad speaks with Zama American High School students in Sagamihara, Japan Birth name David Adkins Born November 10, 1956 Benton Harbor, Michigan, United States Died March 14, 2007 (aged 50)" Funny stuff. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/sinbad.asp --Ali'i 20:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snopes humor... 

message: With the exception of later addition Marisa Tomei to the cast
What do we mean by later addition?  Marisa Tomei was only in the first season, from the very beginning.  I think this section should only say "Other than the caucasian Marisa Tomei who was only in the first season, all students at Hillman... --WPaulB 02:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marisa Tomei 

message: Sinbad is a tax deadbeat according to the California Franchise Tax Board.  In particular, Sinbad owes about $2.1 million in taxes.
List can be found here.Dailukmuk 22:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sinbad is a  tax deadbeat 

message: Is there any proof that this claim is correct or is it just vandalism? You can't even check cause it's a subscription site! Eenu  (talk) 22:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  F4Wonline.com? 

message: According to the linked source, his father's name is Donald, not Dildoe.  Fixing.leshivers 5:26, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Father's Name

message: He is the best comic ever and completely a clean comic . Why doe she not have a web page?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.29.247.108 (talk) 04:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're entitled to your opinion about Sinbad being "the best comic ever," even if it isn't NPOV, but you should also be aware that Maxim magazine named Sinbad, "The Worst Comedian of All Time." On the positive side, Sinbad won the hotly contested San Francisco International Comedy Competition (beating second place finisher Ellen DeGeneres) in 1985. That's probably significant enough to be worth mentioning in the Wikipedia article on him. Dick Kimball (talk) 16:24, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  why does sinbad not have a web page  

message: In print sources known as Sinbad (comedian) not (entertainer). In ictu oculi (talk) 05:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: (comedian)

message: http://www.filmreference.com/film/6/Sinbad.html says he was born on November 18.  http://delafont.com/comedians/Sinbad.htm and http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005435/ say he was born on November 10.  Until we can get a definitive answer, it's best to leave the  template in place.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:53, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the New York Times biography as a source, which confusingly lists both November 18 and November 10 as his birth date. That biography was written by Jason Buchanan of the Rovi metadata company. Gobōnobō + c 19:30, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth 

message: From the career section, "Sinbad was known being devoid of derogatory statements or foul language, which he felt was not necessary to sell a crowd and continue to make them laugh." I'm wondering if this shouldn't be part of the opening paragraph, because after being mononymous, it's what he's best known for. 2607:FCC8:A741:9D00:F465:5161:520C:71CB (talk) 14:22, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "best known for"? 

message: Do you think the "non-existing 1990s Genie movie mystery" is something worth mentioning in the article? From a google search I did it seems this story has been around for a few years now, but in the past month it got coverage from a few popular sources:    Chris Ssk talk 19:37, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the sources. It's not information about the person, so I'm not clear what would belong in this article or why. Could you propose something? --Ronz (talk) 20:45, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

text: Its probably only a matter of time before Mandela Effect gets its own article.  Not because there's anything to it, but because there is regular press coverage, as your links show.  But including it in specific biographical articles would be paramount to including conspiracy theories. Wickedjacob (talk) 04:29, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  1990s Genie movie 

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