Talk:The Great Gama

message: It's quite obvious now that this article is being edited and semi protected by a couple of Pakistanis trying to portray a famous Indian wrestler as Pakistani. I request you people to at least change the ambiguous line "He lived for the rest of his days in Lahore" to "He shifted to Lahore in 1947 and stayed here till his death" which is the truth and the exact line mentioned in the source you have quoted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaoticdays (talk • contribs) 12:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  ,  you are a sock puppet and about to be blocked indefinitely (see WP:SOCK) . Despite that you have been warned a dozen times, you kept on indulging in long time abuse and disrupted the article on multiple Ips. Even then I am trying to reason with you and you must understand that as per the source, both India and Pakistan were never existed before 1947 and it was known as subcontinent. After partition Gama chose to leave for Pakistan and opted for Pakistani nationality which makes him a Pakistani national by all means and half a dozen references have validated this argument. This is the very last time I am reasoning with you and after this, if you try to disrupt the article again, I will file an SPI and your master sock will also be indef.-Kthxbay (talk) 23:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  At least state the truth and don't mislead readers 

message: Once again, I can see half truths being presented to project a false narrative. Thankfully you removed the line "he lived for the rest of his days in Lahore" but then you replaced it with another half truth - " After retirement, he lived on land and monthly pension given to him by the Government of Pakistan for the rest of his days until his death on May 23, 1960 in Lahore". Are you so desperate to portray an Indian wrestler as Pakistani that you can't even state the truth that Gama shifted to Lahore in Pakistan from his hometown of Amritsar in India post partition of the country in 1947? I read your statement on the talk page where you wrote "both India and Pakistan were never existed before 1947 and it was called the subcontinent" and I don't know whether I should laugh at your grammar or your lack of knowledge. It was called the Indian subcontinent you liar. But at least don't vandalize wikipedia articles to present a false narrative. I'm filing a complaint against you as well for misleading readers with false information and misusing your admin rights.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaoticdays (talk • contribs) 16:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  @Kthxbay you are a Pakistani vandal presenting half truths to project a false narrative 

message: user:Cannolis Could you please be so kind to discuss the changes you are enforcing here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Great_Gama&type=revision&diff=1061966323&oldid=1061965842
This person in question was a Pakistani national, holding an actual Pakistani passport. I know this confusion is rampant for historic figures, but in this case it literally makes no sense to dispute his nationality. KamranHassanUK (talk) 23:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just going off the source currently cited in the article. Not very familiar with this subject area at all but an IP editor changing every mention of the word "India" to "the Subcontinent" seemed fishy to me. Again, not familiar with these disputes but from reading our current article, it seems most of his activity as a wrestler came before Pakistan's independence in 1947. Cannolis (talk) 00:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: user:Cannolis I agree that some of those edits were quesitonable, but just dont see how reverting to the other extreme is a helpful position. Please note that we refer to pre-independence rule as British India or British Raj. This is starkly different from the modern country of India. Regardless, this wresterler was an ethnic Kashmiri, who was born in th British Indian era Punjab and later migrated to Pakistan where he held the Pakistani nationalisty until his death. As you can note, all of such information has been removed. KamranHassanUK (talk) 19:08, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure why you think all of that information has been removed. Article currently discusses that he was of Khashmiri descent "The Baksh family is believed by historians to originally have been Kashmiri Brahmins", and in 2 sections discusses that he moved to Pakistan. "After the independence and partition of India in 1947, Gama moved to Pakistan." Cannolis (talk) 19:42, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Saved Hindus in riots rather than saving fellow Muslims from Hindus and Sikhs fleeing, like himself, to Pakistan? The Hindu nationalist editors are very funny here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.57.200.148 (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senseless edit warring taking place on this page: India vs Pakistani nationalty.  

message: The article states he was born in 1878 and died in 1960.
:The source: Here's The Story Of Gama 'The Undefeated' Pehalwan And How He Saved Hindus During 1947 Riots states he was born in 1878 and implies that he died in 1960.
:The source: Biographical Dictionary of Professional Wrestling, 2d ed. states that Gama was born in 1888 and died in 1953.
Which do we use? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 20:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates? 

message: Many pages, e.g. https://olympics.com/en/news/who-is-the-great-gama-pehlwan-india-wrestler, mention that he is said to have lifted a 1200kg stone in 1902.
Should this legend be mentioned in the page?  It may be plausible; compare with Gregg_Ernst -- Dankegel (talk) 18:00, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  1200 kg lift? 

message: The section detailing the "rematch with Zbyszko" quotes a single secondhand source and is completely contradicted by other accounts from Ed Lewis, The Ring Magazine, and Zbyszko himself. The notion that Gama flipped Zbyszko - a man he couldn't turn over in THREE HOURS of previous competition - and sat on his chest to pin him is either means that the match was a work, like many of Gama's other matches reportedly were, or simply a fanciful account provided to the press. All three other sources on the subject (including one of the participants) state that the match was contested under rules which considered touching the ground with any body part a fall, which further contradicts the article's account of the match. I'm still fully researching this subject, but intend to add other sources for balance ASAP. HistoryFightFan (talk) 11:50, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rematch with Zbyszko" section contradicted by other accounts 

message: Hi Mr. @Philipnelson99, can we please add his full name which ends with "Butt" which is name for Kashmiri "Bhatt" surname in Punjabi dialect. This official Olympics Article also has his full name here:https://olympics.com/en/news/who-is-the-great-gama-pehlwan-india-wrestler HistoricPilled (talk) 20:47, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see by looking at the page history I've already undone my revert @HistoricPilled. Philipnelson99 (talk) 20:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I appreciate your work @Philipnelson99 HistoricPilled (talk) 20:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gama's full name is not mentioned