Talk:Battle of Lissa (1866)

message: "Tegetthoff returned home a hero, was promoted Vice Admiral, and is considered one of the greatest naval commanders in history." By whom? I ((fact)) tagged this, cite needed. If it said "in Austrian history" that would be another matter. But in world naval history? Herostratus 08:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to reflect that; I think that was the original intent.  Trekphiler 12:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tegetthoff 

message: I no longer have the source alleging frightful handling characteristics to the Italian turret ship. Should I remove comment?
Out of interest, the fire on the Palestro, according to William McElwee's "The Art of War: Waterloo to Mons", was started by a shell hitting the paint locker. The article seems to give the impression it was a result of "Ferdinand Max's" sideswipe.
===Dodge ram?===
My impression from what I've read is, the success of the ram @Lissa & the subsequent mania by naval architects for it inhibited the development of gunnery. Can anyboy substantiate?  Trekphiler 12:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Affondatore: Winnebago at Sea 

message: My impression from what I've read is, the success of the ram @Lissa & the subsequent mania by naval architects for it inhibited the development of gunnery. Can anyboy substantiate?  Trekphiler 12:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dodge ram?

message: Hello. I would like to discuss a problem of major Italian naval officers' ranking. In this article, Faa di Bruno, Vacca and Ribotti are called just "Admirals", but neither of them was a complete Admiral. Vacca was a Rear Admiral, like Tegethoff, and the two others were "capitano di vascello"  This Italian word means "captain of the battleship" and it is approximately similar to the English "Commodore". Look at the Italian page of this battle in Wiki to insure.
Regards,
Feanfox 13:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naval ranks 

message: HI there
There were no croats on Venetian boats (and that was a Venetian fleet or Austro-Venetian fleet or Osterraich-Venetianitsche Marine if you prefer) , just Venetians, Istrians and Dalmatians. Maybe were Istrians and Dalmatians some kind of croats ? No croats lived in those lands before the end of WW2 and just after the end of WW2 Istria and Dalmatia have been filled with croats. When in history have croats had a fierce naval force ? And Austrians and Hungarians ? The English have had it, the Spaniards too...........and VENICE. I edited the text of the battle but my editing has been nullified by someone who cares to report what he wants but that doesn' t change history. In Italian wikipedia you can read the true report of the battle including that Mr. Tegetthoff had to learn Venetan to lead the fleet besided that he had to learn how to lead it in VENICE and that he told his men that the battle was won speaking in Venetan. In Italian wikipedia it's also said that it has to be rewarded as the last great Venetian victory over the seas. Austro-Hungarian fleet ..........laughable..................not even by name.
Just tell us when croatia displayed a war fleet anywhere in any sea (that you like) of the world. Maybe against the Turks at Lepanto as well ?  The fact that someone removed the truth about that Venetian fleet..............let all of us understand who he is, and how wikipedia works...............in its italian version you can read the truth ........which names Venetians, Friulans, Dalmatians, Istrians. Do you see any croats ? On a boat ?  
:: Dalmatians are "Croats" in the modern sense, since Dalmatia is part of Croatia. And is "Venetian" actually a language?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.125.84.170 (talk) 17:01, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just get a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_language  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filippo83 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Croats 

message: This article would benefit from a few sentences at the front to place it in the context of the larger campaign. Passages such as "They were busy preparing for landings when the news that the Austrian fleet was at sea and seeking battle reached them. Persano cancelled the landings..." don't make much sense when the reader doesn't know where they were landing (presumably Lissa), who was landing (obviously Italian troops, but how many, from what units), or why they were landing there (It's not clear how landing on an island well to the south of Venice contributes to capturing Venice). I'm sure the answers are out there, but I'm not the person to be writing this, otherwise I would do it myself.
On a totally different note, the passage "The Fort of Lissa was put under the authority of the Transsylvanian Romanian Oberst David Urs de Margina" reads like a nationalist violation of Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Anyone who cares to can see that Transylvania is currently part of Romania, and it's equally true that it has been under other governments in the past. At the time of this battle Transylvania was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and didn't come under Romanian control until after World War I. Why not just say he's Transylvanian and leave it at that? On second thought, the fort is not mentioned again in the article and seemed to play no part in the battle, so why is it's commander mentioned at all?
Darkstar8799 (talk) 18:56, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Operational Context 

message: Can someone be more specific? Which part of the text? Kubura (talk) 04:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Lack of inline sources" 

message: The armoured frigate SMS Erzherzog Ferdinand Max was broken up for scrap in 1916, even though that ship must have been to the Habsburg Empire an equvlent what the HMS Victory meant for Britain. 82.131.131.147 (talk) 12:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sad fact 

message: Currently the article merely presents a tactical description of this battle on the Adriatic.  Unless a reader had already read the article on the Prussian-Austrian war, he would not know why the battle occurred, since no motives for the battle are presented in the article.
Would someone therefore provide the political motives for the battle?  For example, a mention of the Risorgimento, and of Italy's alliance with Prussia against Austria, and of Napoleon III's role (did the Italians know of Prussia's provisions for Italy which Prussia had negotiated with Napoleon III?).  Who persuaded the Italian government to try to seize Venice?  Why did the Italians think that they would win?  
Also, perhaps a mention of the preparations for the battle:  Who built the ships that were involved in the battle, and when were they built?  How did the Austrians prepare their response to the Italians' threat?  How long did each side require to mobilize for the battle?
Cwkmail (talk) 13:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background of battle? 

message: Unfortunately I cannot find the source (an old magazine devoted to such matters), but I'm sure there has also been a WWII Italian submarine called Faà di Bruno.
Mb 3r7864 (talk) 17:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, during WWII was sunk in October 1940. See http://www.sommergibili.com/faadibruno.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.140.180 (talk) 05:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faà di Bruno was also a submarine 

message: I corrected the article in the (I think) more neutral way: Tegetthoff's victory was saluted by his mariners - mainly Croats and Venetians, from Venetia, Istria and Dalmatia. Stating their nationality in the contemporary way is misleading, and it is better to consider their ethnicity, but remember that in 1866 things were a bit different:
* all of them were "Austrian" citizens by passport;
* preceding state was Republic of Venice for 80-90% of sailors (the others, Austria or Dubrovnik/Ragusa);
* officers were mainly Austrians, but educated in Venice or Trieste;
* there were many sailors from mainland Veneto and Friuli, first of all the helmsman Vianello; you can see the list of medals of Venetians, which includes mainland Venetians only (not from Istria or Dalmatia);
* until 1947, Istria was inhabited by a 40% of "Italians" (i.e. Venetians) by language, above all on the coast towns where many of sailors came from;
* until 1918, it was the same for many inhabitants of Fiume/Rijeka and of Dalmatian coastal towns, above all Zara/Zadar and Spalato/Split; Fiume and Zara were under Italy de jure until 1947 (de facto until 1943);
* as proven and undoubtful, Tegetthoff and his officers used Venetian dialect as the communication language with sailors.
I hope that we will not go to fight for nationalist reasons!
Filippo83 (talk) 19:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality of sailors 

message: All sources I have read say German become the official language of Austrian fleet after the Venetian naval mutiny of 1848. New ship's names in German, not Italian, new base on Pola (today Croatia), recruiting all not Italians possible on the Austrian navy, manly Austrian Germans. I believe the notice about “venetian” like official language is not accurate. In addition, the Austrian sailors and officials were mainly austrian german-spoken people, only a Little percentage were venetians or Croatians ant they were forced to learn to speak german language.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.11.239.64 (talk) 01:09, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  ¿Official language on Austrian navy?