Talk:Evonne Goolagong Cawley

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message: For anyone interested in expanding the article:
*http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1108680/index.htm
*http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1012909/index.htm
*http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1093463/index.htm
*http://theland.farmonline.com.au/news/state/agribusiness-and-general/general/barellan-makes-a-racquet/1637320.aspx
*http://www.womenaustralia.info/biogs/IMP0070b.htm
*http://www.eniar.org/news/sport2.html
*http://blog.taragana.com/sports/2009/09/14/evonne-goolagong-cawley-grand-slam-winning-mom-congratulates-kim-clijsters-on-us-open-win-28684/
*http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/goolagong-cawley-finally-a-world-no1/2007/12/27/1198345162454.html
*http://www.dsf.org.au/learningchoices/expo_speakers.php
*http://bleacherreport.com/articles/263244-thank-god-for-tennis-goolagong-cawley-evert-borg-and-mcenroe-too
Mentions Evonne traveled with her brother Ian to Timor
*http://www.smh.com.au/news/SPORT/Goolagong-Cawley-takes-tennis-to-Timor/2005/12/06/1133829587279.html
Her Brother Ian who played with her in mixed doubles in Wimbledon:
*http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/story/83883
*http://www.whittlesea.vic.gov.au/content/content.asp?cnid=4009
*http://www.toptenn.com/venue-burwood.htm
*122 Ian Goolagong
*Ian Goolagong is available for tennis coaching
Can not find any mention of Evonnes other siblings
114.76.85.3 (talk) 08:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible additional References 

message: * Goolagong means "tall trees by still waters" 
**Siblings names: 
***(younger brother)Ian 19, plays tennis in Texas State Collage
***(2 younger brothers) Kevin and Martin are sheep shearers who live in Barellan,NSW
***(2 younger sisters) Gale and Janelle who live in Barellan,NSW
***older brother Larry (married and lives in Sydney)
***older sister Barbara (married and lives in Sydney)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.73.71 (talk) 05:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Siblings names in goolagong article as well as name meaning

message: Is there a reason why this article is not called "Evonne Goolagong- Cawley"? In media nad other sources, that seems to be her name nowadays. I can shift it, just wanted to check that there isn't a reason this hasn't happened already.WotherspoonSmith (talk) 11:29, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You said it. "nowadays". Wikipedia has no obligation to rewrite history and create a new reality by effectively changing how she is addressed according to some recent "fashion" that is here today and gone tomorrow. That would amount to WP:RECENTISM. It would have been relevant only if there was any indication that she has actively changed her name at some point in time, which she hasn't. --Loginnigol 12:44, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  --Loginnigo, I hate to break the news to you, but women using their married name as their full name is not a "recent fashion"... of a trend "here today and gone tomorrow"... Welcome to the 21st century. Stevenmitchell (talk) 10:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goolagong or Goolagong- Cawley? 

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message: One of the teachings of the religious group, The Family International, is that there is a demon named "Hong Kong Goolagong". Although founder David Berg claimed the name was revealed to him during a coughing fit, numerous commentators believe the true source of the name is Cawley's. Berg himself eventually acknowledged the possible connection in his own correspondences (but continued to express belief in the demon). Given the fringe nature of this religious group (which Cawley has no links to), I'm not sure if it's notable enough to include here or not. 97.116.52.160 (talk) 20:25, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Religious connection

message: Can anyone find a reference for this humorous and affectionate nickname? I can remember her being called that in UK during her years of greatness in the 70s.
I can also remember, I regret to say, a drawing (disgusting to decent-minded people and publicly condemned at the time) in a UK tabloid newspaper in the 70s of what she might have looked like playing tennis naked :-( Very unpleasant; but if it can be documented, it should be. Narky Blert (talk) 20:32, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No it should really not be if it's one drawing from a 70 tabloid. If it made worldwide news maybe. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:39, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Evonne Billabong

message: A playing style section would be helpful?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.248.54.158 (talk) 17:22, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
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message: The subject of the article seems to be widely known as Evonne Goolagong, even in the article she is referred to as "Goolagong", not "Goolagong Cawley". In accordance with WP:COMMONNAME should that be the title of the article? Park3r (talk) 02:49, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the title conform to Wikipedia policy ([[WP:COMMONNAME]])? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved. This nomination was clearly made in good faith and some of the opposition didn't give it the respect that a good faith nomination deserves, but there is a clear consensus against the proposed move. (non-admin closure)  Iffy★Chat -- 16:28, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Evonne Goolagong Cawley →  – In accordance with WP:COMMONNAME and the "Recognizability" principle in WP:CRITERIA, Evonne Goolagong seems to be the better name for this article. The article text itself refers to her as "Goolagong" rather than "Goolagong Cawley" Park3r (talk) 02:56, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be split. Here's the Sydney Morning Herald calling her Evonne Goolagong. Her foundation is called the "Evonne Goolagong Foundation" and her Twitter account (admittedly not active) uses "Evonne Eoolagong". So does the Australian National Portrait Gallery in the header at least. . Her autobiography is titled "Home!: The Evonne Goolagong Story". There's another book called "Sunshine Super Girl: The Evonne Goolagong Story" and few other biographies that call her Evonne Goolagong. The article text itself calls her "Goolagong" and not "Goolagong Cowley", and that's her name in the infobox. It's a legitimate question (not "strange"), but obviously not an entirely settled one, otherwise I would have attempted the move myself, without consultation. Park3r (talk) 11:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You mentioned her foundation being called the "Evonne Goolangong Foundation" but when that same foundation explains who it is named after they say "ABOUT EVONNE GOOLAGONG-CAWLEY Evonne Goolagong Cawley, AC, MBE is a Wiradjuri Aborigine." Tennis Australia uses Evonne (Goolagong) Cawley. The two ruling bodies of tennis use Evonne Goolagong Cawley, the ITF and the WTA. The twitter account you talked about is not a verified twitter account so it could be made by fans considering goolagong isn't even capitalized. The portrait gallery photo of course uses Evonne Goolagong for it's header. The submitted photo was taken in 1970 when she was 19 years old and not married (till 1975). But in the detail section of that portrait gallery where it says who the photo is about it says "Evonne Goolagong Cawley AC MBE." Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:52, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The point was to illustrate that this is not a “strange” request, but one that should be considered. Secondly, this seems to be the mirror image of the discussion on Ash Barty. If say, Steffi Graf were to start using  the name “Steffi Graf Agassi” would we retitle the Wikipedia article? I think not. That’s the reason why I referred to  “Recognizabity” in WP:CRITERIA; which is the policy for determining article names. Would the average person looking for information on the subject search for “Evonne Goolagong Cawley” or “Evonne Goolagong”? I would argue the latter, and this is bolstered by the fact that the article itself uses “Goolagong” in its text. This also bolsters the case for “Goolagong” fulfilling the “naturalness” requirement in WP:CRITERIA. Furthermore, the “Concision” criterion is met by the shorter form of the name. EDIT: Also the International Tennis Hall of Fame uses "Evonne Goolagong". Park3r (talk) 22:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that. And the Australian Tennis Hall of Fame, her home country, uses Evonne Goolagong Cawley. Oh and the New South Wales Sports Hall of Fame, where she was born, uses Evonne Goolagong Cawley.. And if you go to the town she was raised, Barellan, Australia, you can visit Evonne Goolagong-Cawley park.. I just don't see the point in changing this article. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: To form a clearer consensus echidnaLives - talk - edits 09:35, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In view of those facts, I am striking my above "Support" vote and am replacing it with Neutral. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:15, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

text: I don't see that at all. There are reasonable criteria for either version of her name. Both versions are quite common in every day usage. Both are common in the context of the governing bodies of tennis. She went by both versions during her long career (about 3/5 to 2/5 with just Goolagong). The press has used both versions. I think you were incorrect with your original conclusions on common-name and I simply don't see a reason to change it. Sure if 30 editors overwhelmingly think just Goolagong is a better fit we'll move it, but this is in your court to provide overwhelming evidence that Goolagong Cawley is not used much. Had you done so then editors would have rightly jumped onto your ship. I think using Cawley is the most popular but even if it's 50/50, it's not a reason to change without a heap of consensus to do so. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:12, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 10 December 2022 

message: Paragraph two of the Career and Grand Slam tournament success section has the following text:
From her first Grand Slam singles final appearance in January 1971, to December 1977 when she won her last Grand Slam title of the 1970s, she played in 21 Grand Slam events. Her only four defeats prior to the finals came at the 1972 US Open in the third round; 1974 Wimbledon, where she was defeated in the quarterfinals; and at the semifinal stage at Wimbledon in 1973. To start the decade, she was defeated at the 1970 Australian Open in the quarterfinals and in the second round of the 1970 Wimbledon. In 1971, 1975, 1976 and 1977, Goolagong reached the final of every Grand Slam championship in which she competed.
That lists five different tournaments.  Anyone able to determine which four to keep? Bro rick (talk) 16:38, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The one line says "...and at the semifinal stage at Wimbledon in 1973." It should say "...and at the semifinal stages of the French Open and Wimbledon in 1973." That would make four. I fixed it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:48, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I see that I could have fixed it and saved both of us a little time. Bro rick (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  In which four Grand Slam Events did she miss the Finals?