Talk:Neotraditional country

message: In the article, Neotraditional country is described as "a country music style that rejects most elements of modern Top 40 country music". However, later in the article (when contrasting to Alternative country), it is noted that Neotraditional country is described as "merely adhere to a more "traditional" country music sound" as opposed to Alternative country which "reject mainstream country music completely".
This suggests that the differentiation between Alternative country and Neotraditional country lies (somewhat) in the extent to which they "reject mainstream country music". This is ambiguous, subjective and confusing....and should be revised.
I suggest the article be revised (or rewritten) to define Neotraditional country as a style of country music which simply embraces the 'traditional country sound' of the 40s and 50s with an emphasis on the instrumental background and 'traditional vocals' (perhaps)...and leave out the mention of Neotraditional country necessarily "rejecting mainstream country music" at all.
This revision could also serve to correct the suggestions of a "Flawed List" (below) because it takes the emphasis off of how 'mainstream' an artist is (to be considered Neotraditional country)....leaving that distinction for Alternative country, specifically. This should work unless someone can reference a artist who would be considered Neotraditional (according to my revised definition) AND NOT fit the Alternative country definition, while STILL "rejecting mainstream country music".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.66.36.224 (talk) 19:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Flawed Description

message: I feel that the list of mainstream artists with a neotraditional sound or whatever is very flawed. Just because certain artists are slightly less pop-oriented than others while still fitting snugly in the Nashville sound doesn't make them really neotraditional
Of those listed, I feel that these need to be removed as soon as possible:
* Alan Jackson
* George Strait
* Tracy Byrd
* Mark Chesnutt
* Vince Gill
* Tracy Lawrence
* Craig Morgan
* Brad Paisley
* Travis Tritt
* Randy Travis
* Gary Allan
* Josh Turner
Not only do they have little in common with the traditional country musicians such as Hank Williams Sr, Ernest Tubb, etc. Of those listed here, the majority are or were at some time major contributors to the Nashville sound and country-pop. I feel that it is completely wrong to label them as neotraditional. As said earlier, just because an artist might be less poppy than another while still fitting securely in the Nashville sound does NOT make them neotraditional. That is about as dumb as saying that Green Day are traditional punk just because they have slightly more traditional punk than, say, Avril Lavigne has. There is a huge difference in being neotraditional and being less pop-oriented than others while still being pop-oriented, and those listed above fit into the latter category, perhaps less pop-oriented than others, but still pop-oriented. Gorovich 03:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flawed List

message: I'm not sure of defining Dwight Yoakam and Marty Stuart as alternative neotraditional performers; both have had relatively recent mainstream success (particularly Yoakam) and still seem quite welcome in the Nashville establishment, even if it's been a few years since they've charted singles. The individual articles of neither artist claim any association with the alternative country movement. I'm not saying that their music could not be identified as alt-country in many respects, just that if the article is setting up a dichotomy of "mainstream" versus "alternative," they fit just as well in the first category due to their mainstream commercial successes. MikeND05 06:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists of artists