Talk:Esoteric Nazism

message: This article was split of from Nazi occultism. Please see there for the previous discussion. Zara1709 11:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which discussion? I could not find it with Special:PrefixIndex/Talk:Occultism_in_Nazism. Apokrif (talk) 19:13, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Previous discussion

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_aliens
I'm pretty sure the above article is somehow deeply connected to Serrano's and the others' theories...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.136.2.44 (talk) 07:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Too bad that I can't optain a copy of Black Sun (Goodrick-Clarke book) at the moment, otherwise I would check it out. Zara1709 14:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nordic Alien link

message: No wonder Serrano and his gang consider the ancient Book of Enoch so interesting: it describes the white Nordic physiotype as superhuman and "angelic":
http://www.lunaeterna.net/popcult/religion.htm
Noah as a newborn is described as being very pale in appearance, with white hair and skin. His looks are so unusual that his father, Lamech, initially suspects his wife of having had an adulterous affair with a lusty fallen angel....
CHAPTER 106 (FRAGMENT FROM THE BOOK OF NOAH)
And after some days my son Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and bore a son. And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah. And he said unto him: "I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.10.1 (talk) 07:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Book of Enoch Proto-Racism

message: Sumathi Ramaswamy, The Lost Land of Lemuria (University of California Press, 2004), p. 68: Indeed, Theosophy generates a complex geography of human races in which all the black peoples of the world are either Lemurians or their degenerate descendents, while the most advanced peoples of today--white Caucasians--are members of the fifth Root-race, far removed from them (77). In the Theosophical evolutionism, as Spirit--or Monad or Pilgrim--works its way through the history of the earth, it "is compelled to incarnate in, or rather contact, every race" (78). As it marches across the history of the earth, Spirit manifests itself in the form of the various Root-races and sub-races which it successively sheds as it surges upward toward our present Fifth Race, the most perfect so far. Those who get left behind--referred to variously as "sluggards" and "failures"--are destined to stagnate. Arguably, this enchanted evolutionary vision is much more racist and hierarchical than that espoused by many a contemporary disenchanted materialist, for millions of years separate the white Anglo-Saxon from the black aborigine whose origins are ascribed to the "racial decay" that besets the seventh sub-race in the closing years of Lemuria's life on earth (79). Further, rather than emerging from the more perfected forms of the Fourth Root-race on Atlantis, as the majority of northern humanity do, the blacks of the world--"fallen, degraded semblances of humanity"--are deemed to be descendents of a Root-race that was ultimately transcended by other, superior forms (80). Lemuria is handy in this regard as well, allowing the Theosophist to not only place the lower, degraded specimens of humanity in a different time, but also to isolate them further from the more evolved races by tracing their origins to a totally different continental configuration (81).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.136.1.133 (talk) 07:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Blavatskian-Theosophic Racialism

message: PLease have a look on Schellinger, Uwe; Anton, Andreas; Schetsche, Michael T. (2015). Pragmatic Occultism in the Military History of the Third Reich”. In Black, Monica, and Eric Kurlander: Revisiting the "nazi Occult" Histories, Realities, Legacies (NED New ed.). Boydell & Brewer. JSTOR link. pp. 157–80.
Quote After 1945, a consensus held that occultism -- an ostensibly anti-modern, irrational blend of pseudo-religious and -scientific practices and ideas -- had directly facilitated Nazism's rise. More recently, scholarly debate has denied the occult a role in shaping the Third Reich, emphasizing the Nazis' hostility to esoteric religion and alternative forms of knowledge. Bringing together cutting-edge scholarship on the topic, this volume calls for a fundamental reappraisal of these positions. 
That said, the article is a) based on conspiracy theories started by rightwing authors of popular German books in the 1950ies and 60ies, refreshed by Goodrick-Clarke, b) does not embrace the newer research denying any connection and c) has no idea about the current picture presented by Schellinger et al which is much more differentiated. I see some need for  rework. Polentarion Talk 18:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  New and elder evidence against a strong relationship 

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