Talk:Bob Ney

message: I'm trying to add context of the investigations as they purport to involve Ney. As such, I removed this statment: 
:In 2002, after Abramoff worked with conservative Christian activist Ralph Reed to close the casino of the Tigua tribe. 
It may belong in the main Abramoff scandal article. --Ej0c 18:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Agreed.  John Broughton 17:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peripheral content - Ralph Reed 

message: As for your surprise that Bob Ney plays golf, check out http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/?q=node/90 -- and see the "Bob Ney for Congress" golf tees.  As the blog says: "unbelievable." -- Sholom 21:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I looked at the Abramoff section in the article.  To make sure it's fair, I expanded the rebuttal by Ney. As far as moving the text to the Abramoff section, that makes no sense - the text is about Ney; if anything, the cross-reference should be from the Abramoff article to this one. John Broughton 00:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Play Golf? 

message: I replaced the warning at the top of the Abramoff section. Wikipedia should not be in the business of repeating the slander and speculation which has become acceptible in the nation's newspapers. If the poor journalism of declaring 12 minors alive is not enough of a wake-up call, I refer you to the many, many later disproven pronouncements in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. 
Echoing up to the minute guessing by unnamed sources and biased news sources should never be Wikipedia's standard. 
--Ej0c 16:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warning at top of section on Abramoff 

message: Inserting links to everyday terms like emails, tribe, and golf should be avoided. It hinders reading.
--Ej0c 16:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  John Broughton 17:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessive links 

message: By the way, I should say a word on behalf of my friend Eva Lunder, economic develoment director for Belmont county. I doubt she would appreciate the international plug of Bellaire as "an aging industrial town on the Ohio"! :-) Nonetheless, it would seem to adequately represent to young'uns the constituency and the problems Ney usually works to overcome. --Ej0c 22:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That wording, as is the case with much of the article, comes from a news article; it's not something that anyone made up.  I'm not sure what you're saying here - on the one hand, your friend wouldn't appreciate the description; on the other hand, it (maybe) adequately represents the situation.  In any case, either it is true (in which case your friend's feelings are really irrelevant; a lot of people don't happen to like accurate descriptions); or it's not, in which case it would be great if you or someone else would edit it to be more accurate.  John Broughton 02:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Probably accurate to say that it was aging (maybe dying) as he was growing up; reviving now. Ohio isn't near as bad off as certain politicians painted it a year ago November. We've had our rough spots and we'll never be California--but remarkable change has occurred. --Ej0c 06:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defense of Bellaire 

message: This article has simply become silly. It has no relation whatsoever to the traditional form of an encyclopedia article. Instead, it is merely a platform for people to play a little game of making unproven charges more public while pretending to stick to "NPOV". (Anyone who attempts to add context will of course be "Non-NPOV").
An article about Bob Ney should be mostly about Bob Ney - not about the accusations of admitted felons.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ej0c (talk • contribs) 
:EjOc - you've been a consistent critic of adding much of anything that could be seen as negative for Bob Ney, and apparently quite a disbeliever in what everyone else sees as (accumulating) evidence against Bob Ney.  I don't know if you think he's to be indicted (I'd be happy to give you 10-1 odds that he will be, by the Department of Justice of a Republican administration), and I'd guess that you think he won't be convicted.  You might consider that you're in a small minority here; do you really think all this is because government prosecutors have nothing better to do?  Bob Ney is going down in history as the Congressman most closely tied to convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff, and that's what should be in the wikipedia article.  And what is most interesting to readers, now, is where things are in the process of bring Ney to trial. 
:Here's a challenge:  (a) find (useful) denials and counter-facts that Ney and his supporters have put out (my sense is that Ney has responding to specific accusations with blanket denials and a lack of details; I'd be happy to be shown wrong), and add them to the article; (b) find missing "context" from reputable newspapers and magazines (let's say the Washington Post, New York Times, Boston Globe, LA Times, Newsweek, and Time Magazine, as starters), and add that to the article, with a citation.  When you can do (a) and/or (b), I'll be happy to defend keeping your additions in the article. John Broughton 22:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  John: As of this week, you all know who "leaked" Valery Plame's name--and thus you know that prosecutors do indeed go down silly, outrageous, and tax-wasting paths. --Ej0c 11:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  PS. No one believes the New York Times to be a reputable paper anymore. Time hasn't been reputable since the 70's --and only then Hugh Sidey's column on the back page. --Ej0c 11:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Objection 

message: As a convicted and imprisoned U.S. Congressman, I have added Mr. Ney to the appropriate WikiProject. Jusdafax   00:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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