Talk:Vasa (ship)/Archive 1

message: What's the point of having an infobox which contains almost no info and is clearly custom-made for the U.S. Navy in any case? Uppland 15:39, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: An anon. ( added the following, which i have removed:
:A documentary film shown in a small theater in the museum discusses the immediate aftermath of the Vasa's sinking.  For context, consider the vast quantities of oak consumed in her construction, coupled with oak's status as the sole property of the King, the stealing of which was a capital offence.  It is not too great a stretch to think of the Vasa's sinking as the 1628/Swedish equivalent of the Challenger disaster in the USA in 1986.  As in the Challenger aftermath, there was also an official inquiry into the cause of the Vasa disaster.  However, largely because of the central role of the King's inexpert meddling in the ship's design, contributing to her unseaworthiness, the inquiry board officially came to no conclusive findings as to the causes of the sinking.
To make this comparison in the article, we will need a cite from a written source making it. Otherwise it is original research. The film shown at the Museum is difficult to check for anyone not actually at the museum, or at least in Stockholm, and it is in any case not quite clear from the removed passage that the comparison actually comes from the film. Uppland 16:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vasa and the Challenger space shuttle

message: The article currently has two names for the captain, Söfring Hansson and Söfring Matsson. According to this page at the Museum site, it was Söfring Hansson, but I wouldn't take that as gospel if there is a better printed secondary source which refers to contemporary sources. Uppland 18:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. Hansson is correct, I was confusing him with a boatswain named Matsson. Thanks for pointing that out! Henrik 18:44, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The captain's name was originally probably Hansen, although he is referred to in some original sources as Kjöldsen, and in Swedish sources from the time of the sinking as Söfring Jyte, since he came from Jutland (Jylland) in Denmark. 80.217.242.79 20:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of captain?

message: Nice stuff Peter, the new placement of the factoid is much better than the old one and makes it a better fit for the article. As i guess you are working on this article for FA-status, so my guess is somone might want to see a source for the "many more recent objects", but this is notthing i object to. Gillis 16:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nice!

message: Hello everybody. Nice to find some experts on the Vasa's destiny. I'd be interested in some more detailed sources. Is there a good book that covers most facts? I would also like to see some pictures from that time. Are there any pictures (drawings e.g.) showing the (so-called) "stability test"? --62.214.54.227 16:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The National Maritime Museums of Sweden have recently published a major work on the history of the project, which corrects many earlier misconceptions about the origins, sinking and recovery of the ship. See Carl Olof Cederlund and Frederick M. Hocker, Vasa I: The Archaeology of a Swedish Warship of 1628 (Sotckholm 2006). 80.217.242.79 20:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources wanted 

message: 135' and 108' refer to the ships' keel lengths?  Their lengths at the waterline?  Their lengths from stem to stern?  My sense is that it's the keel lengths, but I'm not certain enough to change the article.  --Badger151 09:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There were in fact two different contracts for the ship, one signed in December, 1624 and one in Janaury 1625. The earlier contract specifies 135 feet on the keel for the larger ships and "the same size as the ship Gustavus" for the smaller. The later contract specifies 64 aln (128 feet) on the keel for the larger. The prices are different for the two contracts as well. Later correspondence indicates that the earlier specification was the one actually followed. See Carl Olof Cederlund and Fred Hocker, Vasa I: The Archaeology of a Swedish Warship of 1628 (Stockholm 2006) pp. 42-43.80.217.242.79 20:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four ships, two larger of around 135 feet and two smaller of 108 feet 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
Regalskeppet Vasa → Vasa (ship) — Using the title Regalskeppet Vasa is cumbersome and fairly irrelevant in an article in English. It sounds overly formal even in Swedish (at least for encyclopedic purposes) and means absolutely nothing to speakers of English. —Peter Isotalo 18:14, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support I've been to the Vasa Museum and I didn't notice anyone calling it Regalskeppet Vasa... Vasa (ship) is clear and short, and easy to link to. --Kjoonlee 19:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 08:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I protest against the move. Although Regalskepp is a Swedish word, it is a term without clear corresponding meaning in the English language. (As a sidenote, it can be added that Royalskepp was used as a synonym for Regalskepp). In my opinion was "Regalskeppet Vasa" the obvious name of the article. --MoRsE 01:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support I've been to the Vasa Museum and I didn't notice anyone calling it Regalskeppet Vasa... Vasa (ship) is clear and short, and easy to link to. --Kjoonlee 19:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 08:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I protest against the move. Although Regalskepp is a Swedish word, it is a term without clear corresponding meaning in the English language. (As a sidenote, it can be added that Royalskepp was used as a synonym for Regalskepp). In my opinion was "Regalskeppet Vasa" the obvious name of the article. --MoRsE 01:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey