Talk:Gregorian Bivolaru

message: I don't know who wrote most of the information in this article - I don't know if the contributors are Romanians or not, but I can tell you as a Romanian that this article is lacking a NPOV. It is almost like the article was written by a MISA member. 
If is written by a MISA member is automatically not corect? MISA members and students know him and they know his biography better. Please read the APADOR-CH, AmnestyInternational and Sojust reports. They speak about authorities abuse so trust them.
Corect 14:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT NPOV 

message: This place is the first and only place I ever heard of Bivolaru being married. The reference link is not working. Someone please take care of this, either by adding a reference or by deleting that part. Sarshi 21:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Marital Status

message: Actually, it is, surprisingly, a yoga organisation. It was even recognized internationally. And no other country but Romania seems to have problems with MISA, so it remains a "yoga organization" and not a "so-called yoga organisation". Sarshi 12:00 AM, 20 June 2006
Sarshi, I am only reporting what I witnessed first-hand (regarding Japan and women) and was told by many of the women who went there again -- they were not supposed to tell me anything, but I was GIVEN the information by THEM, the yogi women... and then it was verified by Simi and others over a period of time. I saw the passport handling and losses, etc. Not because I wanted to but because They chose to expose this to me! I only know what I saw and heard from being with the yogis. Sometimes the Truth hurts us, but we must be honest with ourselves if we are to progress in this life and the next.
Sincerely
Grapeheart 14:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yoga movement 

message: Is that "Costitesti" supposed to be Costeşti or Costineşti? bogdan 21:10, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costitesti 

message: The media later said that the thoery that Gabriel Bivolaru is Gregorian Bivolaru's half-brother was a mistake, based on the similarity of the names, so, I am going to remove that paragraph from there.
Sufitul 06:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brother 

message: I have gone through this article and cleaned it up for language and POV issues, including correcting some things based on notes on this page.  --Lendorien 18:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Here, at the beginning of the page about G. B., is a mistake: "he was acquitted for all the other charges against him (e.g. minor trafficking)".
He was not acquitted, the accusations against him were prescribed because the processes took too long time, that is because the advocates invoked a lot of reasons to postpone them. It's a common thing to postpone processes, for example because the witnesses could not come because of bad weather (as they could not make an earlier start). :).
The sentences should be on the site of the courts, but I don't search on web unless asked.
He was accused by some other things, not only minor trafficking. 
Like in any sect, the sect-ants are brainwashed. They adore the guru and can't see bad things written about him. 
P.S. I think the sect members won't like to discuss here about whether MISA is a sect or not, by the criterions of anti-cult organisations. ;)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncle sam14 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Cult status cannot be determined through original research. The threshold for inclusion is verifiability in reliable sources. Tgeorgescu (talk) 12:04, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

text: You shouldn't cry wolf as long you keep whitewashing Bivolaru and removing the references and the links stating otherwise. The current version looks like a MISA propaganda manual. And btw, you violated the 3RR rule. Mentatus 19:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did NOT removed any reference. The so called "proofs" are still there, please check in the references section. I only added some information. But in the article were many suppositions, rumors, gossips that had in fact as a reference only some broken links. I think you are intoxicated by the media. Better read the "Mass media campaign section" in the  (http://www.gregorianbivolaru.com) site. I hope you don't agree with the journalist Emanuel Isopescu who expresses a "very neutral point of view" when he says he "would break Mr. Bivolaru’s neck". This is just one example of well documented instigation against Gregorian Bivolaru. There are many more in the Google videos and in the official site. For example the declarations of some Members of Parlament. I don't know if I have violated any rule, but certainly I offered some correct and well documented information. Corect 11:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juridical status of  Mr. Bivolaru 

message: Could somebody please rephrase this? "Mircea Eliade a historian of religions, philosopher and writer who is considered to be a "public enemy" by many people who have known him." - I doubt that he was considered a public enemy by many people who knew him, he was a public enemy by communist standards, rather. 
Sarshi 16:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mircea Eliade 

message: Well, there are two sides of the story here. So maybe we should add a "controversy" tab, in which to state what the yogis think and what the anti-yogis think, so that anybody who reads this will see both "sides of the coin". And then maybe some of the NPOV trouble will be reduced. Maybe. Sarshi 16:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try Calumny and Disparagement instead of Controversy. The Swedish Supreme Court noted that that the evidence against Bivolaru on charges of rape, tax fraud, and anti-Semitic statements, was insufficient. The Helsinki Committee for Human Rights says that witnesses against him had been forced to lie. In addition, certain Romanian legislators have called Bivolaru “Satan”, “psychopath”, and “terrorist.” When the basic rights of yogis are reestablished in Romania, when justice will be done, we can think if there is a controversy or not. Until then, anyone with "anti-yogis"(!???) opinions, please come with facts and proofs. Corect 08:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: I added to the links' sections a blog with ex-MISA yogis' stories ("initiations" where Mr. Bivolaru had sex with hundreds of teenager brainwashed girls, copyright infringements in the yoga courses taught by Mr. Bivolaru, human trafficking and proxenetism in Japan, unremunerated "karma yoga" on construction yards, videochat erotic shows made as "karmayoga" with the income donated to the movement, etc.) and a forum for talks. They are in Romanian, but we're working on an English version with the most important posts.
Was the judicial action against Mr. Bivolaru an abuse ? Yes.
Is he the innocent person that his adepts portray him to be ? No.
When some big government official's daughter got involved with MISA and decided to move into an "ashram" and drop school, her daddy called Bivolaru personally and gave him an ultimatum. Bivolaru managed to babble something about "personal freedom of choice" and "free arbiter". The man went mad with rage, and went to his friend Nastase (an important politician) who took the matter into his own hands. That's the underside of the whole Bivolaru trial: corrupt politicians acting illegally against a known proxenet and crook.
He escaped thanks to his SRI ("Romanian Information Service" - an intelligence agency) conections, being hand-in-hand with a known big "securitate" officer, Teoctist, the head of the Romanian Orthodox Church (they are partners in the business of selling religion).
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You forgot to sign again. It's not nice to give anonymus tips like these, it makes them seem as if you were acting on behalf of a hate group. Soooo... 
1. no forums allowed as reference. It's in wiki's rules. "Material from self-published books, zines, websites, and blogs should never be used as a source for controversial, derogatory, or otherwise unverifiable statements about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article (see below)."
2. (definitely less NPOV on my side here) *rolls eyes* you seem to be very pompous and phrase your words to sound as terrible as possible. ""initiations" where Mr. Bivolaru had sex with hundreds of teenager brainwashed girls" - at the same time? hundreds? Gosh, if only normal guys could do that O_o
"unremunerated "karma yoga" on construction yards" - wow, people worked for free because they wanted to. And... that's a crime? *goes off to her old school* The law DEMANDS you give me money for the time I painted the door!
"Was the judicial action against Mr. Bivolaru an abuse ? Yes.
Is he the innocent person that his adepts portray him to be ? No." - kinda useless to militate on the encyclopedia's talk page, but meh. 
"Bivolaru managed to babble something about "personal freedom of choice" and "free arbiter"." True. How DARE a girl decide to move away from home and give up the school for the first reason that popped into her mind?...  Shame on the scapegoat!
"being hand-in-hand with a known big "securitate" officer, Teoctist, the head of the Romanian Orthodox Church (they are partners in the business of selling religion)." O_o Securitate?... you mean those guys that imprisoned him 20-something years before and beat him half to death?... Sarshi 18:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counter opinions about Mister Bivolaru 

message: Well it seems Grig still has his filthy army of drones to look after his "interests" back home. A disgusting pervert whose "organisation" was nothing but a facade for promiscuity and pimping, a man who is personally responsible for brainwashing and ruining the lives of countless young girls, many of them underage, is presented as some great hero for freedom of speech. It just shows what a stupid, incompetent dictator Ceusescu was for not sending someone to put a bullet in this guy's head back in the 80s.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.120.253.157 (talk) 11:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BS article 

message: Mr. Bivolaru proudly claims to have had sex with over 6000 women, the majority of them being students of the yoga courses. As soon as he sees a picture of a woman he likes, he sends her an invitation, and she is then persuaded by his fanatical followers to go and meet him because this will enhance her spiritual evolution, burn her karma, awaken her state of shakti etc.
As he never uses any means of protection, many women are reported to have been infected by him with several sexually transmitted diseases, which have become very resistant to medication even after one year of treatment.
Although he receives larges amounts of money from various enterprises in which his followers are involved, like striptease in night-clubs, erotic video-chat and adult movies, it has been difficult to follow legal charges against him, because he never does anything on his own name, so he is officially not involved, although the girls are told that they are doing it for him and for the yoga school.
Mr. Bivolaru believes himself to be a liberated spiritual master who has a special mission to awaken spiritually the planet. This is why all the strange things that he does are supposed to have a "Divine integration" and a higher meaning, so many people fall pray to the beautiful lies that are circulated in his school.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamapura (talk • contribs) 15:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  tantric initiations 

message: Gregorian Bivolaru and his sect are not what the author of the article claims them to be. I personally know of women that were sent to Japan where they used the sexual techniques they learned while parctising with the sect as a tool with japanese men in exchange for large sums of money and at least half of that money was going to Bivolaru and MISA. Bivolaru is supposed to be in prison for human trafficking ant for instigating to prostitution. All Misa members know about that. Like every sect MISA is a dangerous organization that should be dissolved and the head of MISA Gregorian Bivolaru should be extradite to Romania and hold responsible for his acts.
(Morgen1013 (talk) 17:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claimed accusations and calumnies 

message: The more I edit, read into this article and check facts, the more concerned I am regarding not only its neutrality and POV, but actual facts and truthfulness of what is written. Over 50% of the resources are in Romanian and unfortunately, I don't speak Romanian. I am spending a lot of time trying to translate everything, but I still think this needs a whole rewrite as there are many [rather obvious] inaccuracies. If there's anyone here who speaks Romanian, please let me know. It will make checking facts a lot easier... ;-) ~dee(talk?) 18:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts 

message: The referencing in this article is quite messed up. The article is using a reference style I have never seen before, so that is a challenge. At the moment, the reference list contains 28 items, none of which are appearing as footnotes in the article. When I review past versions, in 2009, 2007 and 2006, I see a few, as many as 6 in 2006, but that is still not the complete list.
In addition many of the references are not in English, so I am not in a position to read them. Some of the references are dead links, as well.
My plan is to copy all the existing references to this page, then begin adding some in a more common style to the article. Others with the ability to read the language can add some of the others.--SPhilbrickT 13:01, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense to me; make the best shape of it you can, using 'normal' formatting, and then leave the cleanup to others who can speak the lingo. Anything has to be better than the way it is. So, yeah; go for it.  Chzz  ►  13:14, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I think this is probably the best solution despite the style difficulties presented by differing ref methods.  Tiderolls 13:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referencing plan 

message: With help from Obsidian Soul, the original "references", which don't seem to be attached to anything, are place in a Notes section. Proper refers are in the reference section. If someone can track down which of the Notes belong where, they can be moved to the Reference section.--SPhilbrickT 13:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is probably the best solution despite the style difficulties presented by differing ref methods.  Tiderolls 13:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Revised plan

message: Following is a list of the entries in the ref section as of this date, I originally was going to remove them, but we subsequently decide to save them in a separate section. I'll leave them here in case anyone wants to track these down and figure out where they go.--SPhilbrickT 14:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference list as at 30 January 2010 

message: Numbering note - as reviewers identify note that can be converted into proper refs, they should be removed from the Notes section. This means the numbering of the notes will change. Because I refer to the note by number "first, second" etc. the list in the section above should be used to understand the numbering. Notes removed should not be removed from the section above, just use strike-throughh to identify which has been resolved and preserve the numbering.--SPhilbrickT 15:08, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Checking now. ~dee(talk?) 14:38, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's correct and makes perfect sense. ~dee(talk?) 14:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I didn't find it either, but the website has some great info which we can use (making refs now). ~dee(talk?) 14:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

text: So, according to this article, he began (practicing) yoga at the age of 17 and joined the Antrepriza de Metrou Bucuresti as a plumber in 1971 (not teaching yoga classes). Should edit article to reflect such until we can find ref for when he began teaching yoga exactly. ~dee(talk?) 15:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referencing work 

message: *   16 April 2005, "Guru Bivolaru are mandat pentru crima organizata" (Evenimentul Zilei)
does not appear to be a currently valid reference
Perhaps the following is the correct reference?
http://www.9am.ro/stiri-revista-presei/Social/8928/Guru-Bivolaru-are-mandat-pentru-crima-organizata.html
The reference was originally attached to the final sentence of the third paragraph of Legal Problems "On April 15, the Romanian Police issued a second warrant in his name, in which he was accused of "human trafficking and other charges related to organized crime" (related to an allegedly sequestration of some persons in some ashrams and forcing them to work without being paid." so I have attached it there. I hope someone will check it to see if it makes sense.
::Checking now. ~dee(talk?) 14:38, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's correct and makes perfect sense. ~dee(talk?) 14:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: First note

message: *   5 April 2005, "Gregorian Bivolaru a fost arestat in Suedia" (S,tiri România On-Line)
No longer goes to an article, it seems to go to the main page of Romania Online. I did a site search for the title, but did not find it. However, I don't see how that foot note was used in the article, so I'll stop here.
:I didn't find it either, but the website has some great info which we can use (making refs now). ~dee(talk?) 14:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The second note

message: *   6 April 2005, "Cum a trecut Guru granita?" (Evenimentul Zilei)
Doesn't seem to work. (It is even listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dead_external_links/404/g as a 404)
It originally supported this sentence:
In 1977, he was charged for distribution of pornographic materials and convicted to one year in prison, but he did not complete it due to a collective pardoning made by Nicolae Ceausescu.
Now reworded.--SPhilbrickT 14:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The third note

message: *   27 March 2004, "A evadat in '84 din arestul Securitatii" (Jurnalul Nat,ional)
This link no longer works. I think the right link might be:
* http://www.jurnalul.ro/special/special/a-evadat-in-a-84-din-arestul-securitatii-70890.html
This note originally supported the sentence:
Gregorian Bivolaru studied at a high-school in Bucharest and starting 1971 he worked as a plumber at the Bucharest Metro
However, that sentence is no longer in the article.--SPhilbrickT 15:04, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So, according to this article, he began (practicing) yoga at the age of 17 and joined the Antrepriza de Metrou Bucuresti as a plumber in 1971 (not teaching yoga classes). Should edit article to reflect such until we can find ref for when he began teaching yoga exactly. ~dee(talk?) 15:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The fifth note

message: See  and . Tgeorgescu (talk) 10:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Finnish documentary

message: See . Now, is the guru haunted by world-wide conspiracy or simply a cult leader? Tgeorgescu (talk) 10:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Times of India coverage: . 188.26.163.24 (talk) 05:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Meanwhile you know, he was convicted in Romania. Valosu (talk) 18:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Argentinian controversy

message: * http://www.lanazione.it/firenze/cronaca/2012/12/08/813852-yoga-indagine-inchiesta-violenza-sessuale-misa.shtml Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian inquiry

message: On 14 June 2013, the High Court of Cassation and Justice of Romania definitively sentenced Gregorian Bivolaru to 6 years in prison, without suspension, for sexual acts with a minor (17 and 1/2 years old girl), D.M., who says she never had sexual relations with Gregorian Bivolaru, but she was forced to declare so after 10 hours of police investigation in absence of parents or layer. Furthermore he was acquitted for all the other charges against him (e.g. minor trafficking)
For detalis see   "HRWF calls European Commission to check upon the legality of Gregorian Bivolaru's conviction by Romanian Court". 
These are the notes before they where vandalised in June 2013. They include mr. Gregorian Bivolaru's site witch is a perfect valid source. Also I have added the Soteria international source with the HRWF Report about the case:  "HRWF calls European Commission to check upon the legality of Gregorian Bivolaru's conviction by Romanian Court".
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.137.15.41 (talk • contribs) 
:I repeat here what I answered on my talk page: there are two sides of the coin: there are respectable human rights organizations which defended MISA, and not without due cause; there are also sexual scandals almost in every country wherein MISA set foot. My personal opinion is that sentencing Bivolaru to prison is a violation of human rights, since the man is incompetent to stand trial (addition: and acted out of insanity); however, neither the prosecution nor the defense pointed out this. Imho, Bivolaru is a paranoid schizophrenic and MISA members are consumers of his mystical delirium. Problem solved, but there are no reliable sources I know which say this. If one person has mystical delirium is called a mental problem; if many people have the same mystical delirium, it's called making use of the freedom of religion.
:I also add that you should consider that for a Romanian to get political asylum in Sweden has to have happened lots of abuse from the authorities, since Romania is considered a safe country and Sweden customarily rejects Romanian asylum applicants if there is no hard evidence that an abuse has happened and they continue to be in danger from the authorities. Tgeorgescu (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are a freemason. Why are you so concerned with mr Gregorian Bivolaru biography? Don't you think your opinions are a bit flawed, because he revealed the truth about your organizations? Why don't you mind only your own masonic masters?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.137.15.41 (talk) 19:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Read this: User:Ian.thomson/ChristianityAndNPOV. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I know a pass-phrase for getting immediate access to psychiatric care: "If people were to hold hands on the beach forming a spiral, this would be a way for contacting a powerful extraterrestrial civilization, asking them to come help humanity fight a global Satanic conspiracy run by Jews and Freemasons." But wait, this is what MISA members actually believe, see  (the part with the conspiracy is not on the video, but it is documented by the anti-masonic magazine published by MISA). Tgeorgescu (talk) 02:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

text: I don't think Freemasonry is MISA's biggest problem. E.g., in Romania their problem lies with Eastern Orthodox hardliners who hate the guts of both MISA and Freemasonry. Tgeorgescu (talk) 12:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV added 

message: Another aspect that overshadows the verdict is that mr Gregorian Bivolaru opinion was not heard during the trial at the Romanian Supreme Court. The judges have agreed to hear him through rogatory commission but after a while they changed their minds accusing the Swedish authorities of "superficiality and lack of seriousness" and hurriedly came to a final decision without offering the right to hearing to the defendant.
Sources: 
http://soteriainternational.org/en/misa-case/197-human-rights-without-frontiers-about-gregorian-bivolaru-conviction-20130617.html,
http://misatv.ro/procesul-lui-gregorian-bivolaru-se-apropie-de-sfarsit/
82.137.8.130 (talk) 06:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He had lawyers defending him in the court, so it makes no real difference. He could have simply told his lawyers to read his viewpoint in court. Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:27, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The right to defend himself was denied for GB  

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message: Multiple references on this page point to http://gregorianbivolaru.net . How is that in any way neutral? You might as well invite him to write his own Wikipedia page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.33.152.203 (talk) 00:26, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that his viewpoint or side gets cited does not mean that Wikipedia sides with Mr. Bivolaru. We pretty much prefer facts to opinions. Also stating that he is on the EU Most Wanted list is not meant as puffery. Tgeorgescu (talk) 22:41, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: He no longer appears on that list. What happened? Was he apprehended? Did he die? Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:23, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU Most Wanted 

message: That cannot be true. The Romanian Penal Code provides punishment only if the minor is of age of less than 15 years. In case of changes in law, it is applicable the law most favorable to the suspect. There are some provisos for abuse of authority for older minors, e.g. by their teacher, but I doubt that were the case for Bivolaru. Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  17 years old 

message: The French and the Finnish Justice have their own brains, and made their own mind. They are not brainwashed by the Romanian Justice. Source: Interpol red notice, and EU most wanted (archived).
Thereupon can be no WP:NPOV dispute, so I removed that tag from the article.
I mean: being wanted by both Europol and Interpol after finishing his prison term in Romania is still a strong indication that he is considered a dangerous criminal.
He has a high IQ and he is self-learned, but I don't think he is aware of the real consequences of his actions. tgeorgescu (talk)  02:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully he will be: https://www.thelocal.fr/20231128/france-arrests-guru-and-40-others-in-raids-on-yoga-sect --Vlad|-> 15:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's not beat around the bush: he is batshit crazy. It is a big mistake for prosecutors to ignore this. His place is not in prison, but in a mental asylum. And by himself he is not particularly violent. tgeorgescu (talk)  16:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, but in this case you should make your mind: you also wrote that he has a high IQ and self-learned. Seemingly, I agree with you though that keeping doing the same things over and over after 10 / 20 / 30 years, one that would be sane couldn't keep doing same things and expect different outcomes. Thank you for improving my edits! All the best! --Vlad|-> 16:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: High IQ and insane are not mutually exclusive. He thinks he leads the resistance movement which will save humanity from intraterrestrials. Why do people oppose him, according to him? Because they are intraterrestrials themselves or upon the payroll of intraterrestrials. This guarantees that he learns nothing from prison terms. tgeorgescu (talk)  17:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Frankly, you're a mason! :D Just joking, I'll see myself out! :D --Vlad|-> 17:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Certainly a criminal 

message: In a German article it says that the organization has changed its name from Misa to Atman. https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Guru-von-Yoga-Sex-Sekte-in-Frankreich-festgenommen-article24564680.html --Riquix (talk) 13:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: tgeorgescu (talk)  02:35, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atman new name 

message: The article has WP:SOURCES in Romanian, English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Finnish, and Dutch. tgeorgescu (talk)  01:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages 

message: The article should present more info which links his personality traits (obsessive phobic and schizotypal..) with his ideas and practices of MISA re favoring lesbianism and the rejection of male homosexuality. 109.166.137.255 (talk) 23:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not opposed to it, but needs WP:SOURCES. Hint: both the prosecution and the defense neglected (mostly) his mental state. That is, he only pleaded legally insane during the extradition trial. I don't think he pleaded insanity in trials from Romania. On the contrary, he got a verdict that declaring him insane was political persecution. tgeorgescu (talk)  03:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mix of ideas linked to personality traits 

message: The word "cult" appears 6 times inside our article (also counting the references). The words "sect", "secte", "sectă", "Sekte", or "Sekteleider" appear 15 times.
Counting on raw wiki text:
grep -ioh "\w*sect\w*" bivolaru.txt
Gives 25 results. Without once "sector" it's 24.
grep -ioh "\w*sekt\w*" bivolaru.txt
Gives 4 results.
grep -ioh "\w*cult\w*" bivolaru.txt
Gives 13 results. Without thrice "difficult" it's 10.
In total 38 mentions in wikitext. Why did I perform the search? In order to check whether :Category:Cult leaders is supported by our article. tgeorgescu (talk)  21:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cult 

message: A former disciple of Bivolaru got arrested in Romania. I decided not to write about that person inside the article, since it would be guilt by association. Just because that person once upon a time learned some stuff from Bivolaru, then went his own way, is not enough for this article. tgeorgescu (talk)  03:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another guru got arrested 

message: Posts from 2015 and 2016, and a book from 2017, about the situation from Romania cannot be used to refute the 2023-2024 penal prosecution from France. And let's not forget that according to Interpol, he is "Wanted by Finland".
Being declared legally insane is the humane, merciful solution. Otherwise he will likely die in jail. tgeorgescu (talk)  12:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cristoiu and Andreescu