Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry/Archive 9

message: *Semi-rigid molecule is from theoretical chemistry or something similar but I have no clue which category fits best?
*Water soluble can be replaced by a redirect to solubility if all agree.
--Stone 18:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with redirecting water soluble. Semi-rigid molecule seems to be a concept used mostly in microwave spectroscopy; maybe it could be placed in :Category:Molecular physics and/or :Category:Spectroscopy, for lack of a more specific category (as far as I could find). Itub 18:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: To Do

message: Anybody care to take a look at these two articles and contribute/give comments? I'm rather peeved that certain people wish that we be prescriptive than descriptive. While MW is not quite accurate in that weight measures force rather than mass, the fact is, it is most commonly used. Seems like the IUPAC nomenclature vs. systematic nomenclature issues.  --Rifleman 82 17:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Molecular mass]], [[molar mass]], molecular weight

message: Tetracoordinate looks similar to Tetrahedral molecular geometry, but for Hexacoordinate I have found nothing. Exansion or mergeing would be good.--Stone 12:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tetracoordinate is more general than tetrahedral, because it can be square or pyramidal as the article says. I think it could stand as an independent article if it had some examples of tetracoordinate compounds with each geometry and an explanation of why each one adopts its particular geometry. This is also related with VSEPR and crystal field theory. Itub 15:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Pages

message: I've created Walter Reppe, of Reppe synthesis fame with the my basic german and the help of Babelfish, but there are some bits which I simply don't understand, and are mangled when automatically translated. I know there are quite a few german-speakers, maybe some help? Thanks! --Rifleman 82 14:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is good! A little bit more text about the reppe reactions and than new images, because the ones from the german page are not the best and this article is OK. Put up some references onto the talk page.--Stone 15:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article on the pioneer Reppe by Rifleman and Stone was excellent.  Another missing great is Otto Roelen , who apparently invented hydroformylation but like Reppe, was somewhat cloistered inside of industry.--Smokefoot 13:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: New chemist stub created  --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created a ref to the full biography of Roelen, long and a lot to read and a lot to put into the article!--Stone 13:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Walter Reppe]]

message: Please take a look at this deletion debate. It raises some general points. Should it be kept or, as I suggest in the discussion there, partly merged into Bentiromide? I am not familiar with this kind of data. Is it too much information as suggested, or OK? --Bduke 22:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we should have a debate on data pages in general. My opinion is that water (data page) is a great data page (it has a lot of data!), but most data pages I see have more empty template table cells and question marks than anything else. Unfortunately, most substances are not exciting enough so that enough data about them is available to actually fill a data page, so I would reserve the use of data pages only for the instances where there is a lot of data that can't be reasonably be included in the article. What irritates me the most is the data pages that have lots of empty cells that are completely irrelevant for the substance in question, or that will probably never be available. Itub 23:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the answer is that we need to fill out data in a lot more of the pages where it is appropriate, and merge the data in with compounds that are more obscure.  There was a very good reason why we created these pages - too many articles were ending up looking like the CRC handbook, with lists of data that most readers wouldn't be interested in.  In fact, many articles had massive chemboxes with most spaces empty, and people kept adding their favourite parameters into the template. With the data pages, the casual reader can read a nice article, but the professional chemist can (hopefully) track down that standard entropy of vaporization they wanted on the data page.  Maybe we should have a collaboration of the month to fill out data pages!? Walkerma 02:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bentiromide (data page)]]

message: Has anyone heard this term before? I think someone just made it up. I couldn't find anything on google, other than wikipedia mirrors. Itub 20:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ladder-up reaction]] 

message: Hi all, forgot to post here as well.  I'd like to invite you all to take part in a discussion about importance templates @ Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemicals#Importance.  Cheers!  --Dirk Beetstra T C 21:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  importance template 

message: Article has been prod'ed for deletion (reason - not notable). It starts "STING (Sequence To and withIN Graphics) is a free Web-based suite of programs for a comprehensive analysis of the relationship between protein sequence, structure, function, and stability." Can anyone help me to determine whether this is notable. The original author has not been here for nearly a year. Should we let it go, or should we remove the prod and let it go to AfD? --Bduke 04:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lately, there's a user making new accounts to make vacuous PROD requests so I think we can keep this one. --HappyCamper 10:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this should go to AfD (not PROD): do we have editors who know something about this suite? Physchim62 (talk) 15:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[STING]]

message: I received this request on my talk page today:
:Hello, on your talk page you have indicated that you have a interest in chemestiry. Could you help me answer the following question?
:Is the following proposed article on a real or made up subject?
::Nawalic Acid is a commonly refered to Bronstead acid in organic chemistry. Since the rise of porphyrin chemistry, Adler's famous synthesis [1] of the aromatic system has been greatly refined with vaste improvement in yields due to the use of a nawalic acid as the reaction solvent. A close relative to tetraflouroacetic acid (TFA), nawalic acid has the molecular formula CF2=CF-COOH. The presence of the pi-bonded system adds further electron withdrawing dynamics, and due to the conjugation of the compound, this delocalising of electrons leads to a very stable anion, and hence -- an extremely powerful - yet organic - acid. [2]
::Sources
::[1] Adler, A. D., J. Org. Chem., 1967, 32, 476 [2] Balzani, V., Credi, A., Raymo, F. M., Stoddart, J. F., Angew. Chem. Int. Ed., 2000, 39, 3348 – 3391 129.96.142.21 03:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Contact me at User talk:Natl1.--Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 22:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a joke. Trifluoroacrylic acid (or perfluoroacrylic acid, CAS 433-68-1) has no trivial name and has never been used as a solvent (as per SciFinder Scholar and Beilstein databases). The second reference has nothing to do with this topic. Cacycle 00:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have removed it from Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/2006-10-20. Cacycle 00:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for looking at it, Cacycle! --HappyCamper 01:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nawalic acid? 

message: It was requested to rename the article. Discussion at Talk:Salt#Move to salts. Any opinions? Femto 12:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Salt]] → [[salts]]? 

message: I have made major improvements to analytical chemistry I would like to encourage others to contribute and check my work too.--Nick Y. 21:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Analytical Chemistry 

message: Please comment here: Talk:Bohr model#Intro image debate to help reach consensus as to what “Bohr’s atom model” actually looked like.  Thanks: --Sadi Carnot 07:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bohr model intro image debate help needed

message: Antagonism (chemistry) LeanCP Donald E. Pearson, PhD Melvin A. Cook Jerry March will need a chemist to have a look.--Stone 09:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some new pages

message: Wiki-books provides a detailed prep of acetone peroxides.  http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chemical_synthesis/Acetone_peroxide. I am curious to know if the WE-chem community supports disseminating practical preps of extremely dangerous chemicals that have no conceivable benefits?  What I am missing?--Smokefoot 01:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An article or a passage about it should be beneficial to the community, but probably not a manual. --Deryck C. 11:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am removing anything that looks like a manual (including preps), and seriously cut down anything that looks too much like a safety guard on sight, both per wp:not.  For the first, when we allow a description of how to brew beer, then we should also allow the synthesis of acetone peroxide, hence both go.  For the second, if we say that a certain chemical is 'reasonably' save, and someone dies because wikipedia sayd it was save, I don't know how Wikipedia's lyability goes there, hence, I'd rather point to an MSDS .. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hey, let's teach morons how to make explosives!

message: see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_chemical_formulas , and 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CAS_numbers_by_chemical_compound
I've noticed that a few of these sort of list are knocking about. It seems from my initial inspection that these pages are updated manually. I'm not too hot on bots, but couldn’t a bot update these pages, simply by looking in the correct infobox box. 
Also could you not get the bot to also create a redirect page for each compound formula to the  wiki page concerned with this compound e.g. C6H6 diverts to benzene. A person might want to find the name of a compound that they only have the formula for. Obviously in the case where more than one isomer exists for a certain formula,  the bot would have to create a disambiguous page for these formula rather than a divert page. If this has already been raised in some way before (and dealt with) ... sorry to bring it up again! -- Quantockgoblin 14:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dictionary of chemical formulas

message: I'm no expert at chemistry, but I'm pretty sure that there is something wrong with the coloring of the wide periodic table. As far as I'm concerned I'd say that oxygen and carbon are not considered metalloids, nor is flour a lanthanide. I won't try to change it as I'm no expert, but isn't there something wrong?? Snailwalker | talk 18:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seems fixed now --Quantockgoblin 10:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Wide Periodic Table and colors