Talk:List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: A

message: Please use the newly adopted inlice citation as follows:
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The links have become messed up at around 135/136.  I will look into for a bit.(Crazzycorbe 07:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  inline citation 

message: An anonymous editor seems to want Kemal listed here.  Kemal's WP article says nothing to support inclusion (and I'm pretty sure, frankly, that editors there would not keep any such assertion for more than a minute).  The initial citation was one user review of a book on Amazon.com.  The anon IP found some professor who has a personal page with an uncited "List of GLB people" of his own, which indeed lists Kemal.  But that seems weak to me.  Anyone else want to opine if this name is at all supportable? Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 19:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These "sources" proposed by the anonymous editor keep getting worse with every iteration.  Well, at least no better.  I have no idea who Victor Davis Hanson is.  I presume he has a Ph.D. since it says "Dr." in front of his name.  And National Review is... well, a borderline reputable source.  But the citation located isn't about Kemal at all.  It's an article on Alexander that includes one passing clause insinuating Kemal was gay or bisexual.  This "citation" barely ascends to the level of gossip, just like the others.  Each failed attempt at a real citation (by the same anonymous editor) makes me more convinced the name doesn't really belong. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 18:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Red-baiting and ad hominem attacks are pathetic and futile. Don't waste our time with them. If you have any evidence to present, please do so. Bhumiya (said/done) 02:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kemal Atatürk]] 

message: I have removed Kurt Cobain from the list. Although whoever listed him did provide a reference, the reference did not confirm any evidence of avowed homo/bisexuality. The reference (the Advocate) asked Cobain if he ever thought he may be gay. Cobain's response (in part):
"So I thought I would try to be gay for a while, but I'm just more sexually attracted to women. But I'm really glad that I found a few gay friends, because it totally saved me from becoming a monk or something.'
I mean, I'm definitely gay in spirit, and I probably could be bisexual."
I don't think that is so much an admission of actual homoesexuality/bisexuality as it is a statement of accepting and relating to gays in general. That statement seems pretty tentative to me. ExRat 03:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kurt Cobain said "I probably could be bisexual" not "I am bisexual". Armstrong, on the other hand, has never stopped saying he is bisexual. "extremely weak evidence of Armstrong's own bisexuality" can be seen nowadays as biphobic as whoever said that quote is acting as if they knew better Armstrong's sexual life than Armstrong himself. (CC) Tbhotch™ 02:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurt Cobain 

message: How is Antinous and Hadrian "anachronistic" ? I know what anachronistic means, I questioning it's usage in this case. Wjhonson 23:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antinous 

message: Why exactly is Charles IV of Spain on here, when he was married, his article has nothing on it and Google turns up nothing? Maybe someone mixed him up with James IV? Dev920 18:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles IV 

message: Please note, I have not finished with this table. This ongoing program of referencing and cross referencing all sexuality lists and categories will recommence after my Cambridge interview. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table conversion 

message: Needs a new link to prove he should be on this list.  If none is found I suggest removal of his name.(Crazzycorbe 08:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruce Benderson 

message: Hey hey! What are people's thoughts? Does that source fully support the claim that she is bisexual? Does her saying "Two women are way sexier than two men in bed. We have a better feel for our bodies.” She went on to add, “I love experimenting with my sexuality." " mean she identifies as bisexual? The first sentence seems to merely suggest she finds lesbians more sexy than gay men, and the second merely that she experiments with her sexuality. I personally don't think that means she is saying she is bisexual (for one thing, that sounds like a set sexuality, which 'experimenting' doesn't support). But what do others think? Skittle 18:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, personally, I think saying you find women more attractive than men is indicative of bisexuality, and she seems to agree: http://uk.gay.com/headline.gaycom?a=5696. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that's a source that backs it up, as long as that source is reliable. It includes the line "I find it hornier looking at women then men.", which is much closer to an assertion of bisexuality. The previous source just said she thought that two women in bed were sexier than two men, which just looks like saying women are better at it than men! So, if this is a reliable source, go ahead and use that instead of the existing one. Interestingly, they look like they were both taken from the same interview. Any chance of finding the original? Skittle 22:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: ""I'd kiss a girl again" does kind of suggest she hasn't done much in the way of bisexual activity, but that isn't a requirement... Skittle 22:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm, looking at Google, everyone is copy/pasting each other. There are about 2/3 write-ups about this that get copied everywhere; it looks like it all stems from a January 2004 edition of Zoo, a men's tabloid magazine. If we could find that copy of Zoo somewhere, maybe we could judge how likely it is? Not that I'm doubting it, but British tabloids are rarely that scrupulous, particularly men's mags. Skittle 22:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christina Aguilera 

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The listed source does not mention her at all, only Brett Anderson. Nor is it on Planetout. Planetout has three articles that mention her, but not her sexuality. Article title on Google brings up the Anderson link.
Planetout does have an article that refers to her thus: "Joey Lauren Adams, the bisexual lead in Chasing Amy," but this is unclear as the character is lesbi/bi and Adams has since said she never said she was bi (see http://suicidegirls.com/interviews/Joey+Lauren+Adams/).
Mdbrownmsw 18:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joey Lauren Adams 

message: Can someone tell me why Giorgio Armani's sexual orientation is disputed? If it is really disputed, shouldn't his entry be removed from the list?
I found another reference:
http://www.nndb.com/people/050/000028963/
"Sexual orientation: Bisexual"
"Boyfriend: Sergio Galeotti (cohabited, d. 1985 AIDS)"
--Plywak 12:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Giorgio Armani]] 

message: I dispute James Dean's inclusion on this list since the "evidence" of his alleged bisexuality is almost entirely hearsay and conjecture.  I also question the inclusion of Billie Joe Armstrong; just because he said he believes everyone is born bisexual does not mean he himself is bisexual.--Zendaddy621 21:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: James Dean

message: There's some fairly insidious vandalism going on - I just discovered John Amaechi had become British. Can people keep an eye out for edits by non-regulars, cos this is only going to get worse. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: How is this list not listcruft?  Much of the content of the page beyond the list exists mainly to justify the list and to give suppositions about why the list is geographically skewed.  I gather that the listcruft page is not a policy but an essay.  Nevertheless, it seems to me that point 7, The list has no content beyond links to other articles, so would be better implemented as a (self-maintaining) category strongly applies in this instance.   Since such a category already exists, I think this list isn't just kinda krufty, it's also redundant.  Why is having a list better than just having a naturally-accumulating category?   Is being gay, lesbian or bisexual, well, notable enough to justify the list?  Do we have a list of known smokers?  A list of people who have never drunk alcohol?  A list of virgins?  A list of people with a 4.0 average in high school? 
I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to diminish the work of the sponsoring project.  I'm just trying to frame this list's relevancy in the light of debates I've seen about other lists, some of which seemed to me a good deal more focused than this one.  Indeed, I could see the benefit of a list of "Gay politicians", because that list would be narrow, and you could give some background material about the struggles faced by politicians who were gay.  But this just seems so wide open that it imparts no useful information.  The mitigating criterion here is "fame", which is surely one of the least NPOV criteria one could imagine. CzechOut 07:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The criterion is "being noteworthy enough for an article", which is simply a reflection of WP:N. The list clearly has more information than a category as it provides dates of birth/death and occupation for each entry. And by the way listcruft doesn't really mean much beyond saying its a list you don't see the point of. I could describe this a listilicious and it would be just as lacking in argument, just showing that I like the list. The list has been discussed at articles for deletion a couple of times, the consensus has been to keep it. WjBscribe 08:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The list also provides an actual source to document why it's included, while a category doesn't. Bearcat 23:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I could potentially support breaking this list down into separate lists for LGBT writers, LGBT artists, etc., and/or into lists by country, but that's a big job that would take a coordinated effort. In the meantime, however, "listcruft" means "lists of trivial things that aren't of documentable interest to anybody outside of a particular fandom". List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes that contain overt references to Newt Gingrich and List of Brazilian soap opera actors with only nine toes would be listcruft, for example. A properly sourced and annotated list of people who fit into something that is a topic of genuine encyclopedic interest in the real world, however, is not listcruft whether you're personally interested in the topic or not. Bearcat 23:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All good points.  But I still wonder whether the sexuality of a person isn't "a trivial thing", not of "documentable interest to anybody outside of a particular fandom".  Well, in this case not quite "fandom" but "interest group".  I mean, outside of a contextual point, the mere fact of someone's homosexuality doesn't really matter all that much, does it?  As for whether the list has more information than a category, eh, that's debatable.  You may have allowed for columns which give very basic information, but the basic operation of the thing is the same as a category: you get the real information by clicking on the name of the person.  I guess what I'm asking, since I don't see it, is why you think a simple list of famous people with alternative sexualities passes the notability threshhold? CzechOut 20:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess, and this is just a guess, is that you're straight.  I don't mean that to be pejorative, I just mean that a) within the LGBT community, knowing that so-and-so was gay is very important.  It's kind of like knowing about Phillis Wheatley when you're African American. And b) even outside the LGBT community, knowing that your favorite composer, Aaron Copland as an example, was gay changes views on homophobia and the relationship between people.  Finally, there are whole academic schools of thought about whether or not a person's sexuality is "a trivial thing."  Those three points are (at least my) reasoning behind why this list is notable. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listcruft? 

message: Let,s continue this where it will get the most attention. Circeus 19:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems 

message: The source for the Elizabeth Arden entry provides no evidence whatsoever that she was bisexual or lesbian. It's pure speculation based on a friendship with a woman who happened to be lesbian (Elisabeth "Bessie" Marbury). Their friendship isn't even described as being especially emotionally intimate. The source itself states, "Though it is clear they became close friends, whether or not they were intimately involved can only be a matter of speculation.". Her image should not be featured on this article and a citation tag should be added until someone can provide actual evidence.KayoRu (talk) 12:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Her article also doesn't mention anything.  If it ever did, it was only for a brief time.  I'm removing her from the list. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elizabeth Arden 

message: What about Alexander the Great the greatest military leader of all time he had multiple male and female lovers.
:Alexander the Great is already on the list :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:55, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ALEXANDER THE GREAT 

message: The notion that Jane Addams was a lesbian in the modern sense seems highly speculative, based on the Wikipedia article about her. If having a 'romantic friendship' qualified her as a lesbian, I guess Abraham Lincoln was bi-sexual.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryeisenman (talk • contribs) 06:52, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true that it's difficult to label Jane Addams as a lesbian in the modern sense.  However, the evidence is pretty strong that her Boston marriage to Mary Rozet Smith qualifies her as something akin to a current-day lesbian.  See the evidence of Lincoln's bisexuality, which isn't as strong. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jane Addams 

message: Has come out as bisexual. http://www.out.com/entertainment/television/2012/03/13/gillian-anderson-lesbian-love-xfiles-Miss-Havisham--68.51.87.188 (talk) 19:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gillian Anderson 

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message: Why not?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 01:04, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a separate list of transgender people already. Even though we mostly keep L, G, B and T people together in common "LGBT" categories, once a standalone list of transgender people existed it was no longer valuable to reduplicate transgender people into this set of lists in addition to the dedicated transgender list. At least in theory, L, G and B people could also be similarly spun off, but (a) nobody's ever actually tackled doing that for real, and (b) for some people it can get thorny as to whether they would be more properly included in the L/G list or the B one. Bearcat (talk) 15:21, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  No transgendered? 

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message: The citation given for Alexander the Great (Citation 93), which is the Wikipedia article "Deipnosophistae", does not mention Alexander at all. PLease put a valid citation or remove him from this article. Thank you. Ilh758 (talk) 17:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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message: Cormack, Morgan (11 April 2023). "Richard Armitage: 'Spooks' Lucas North probably wasn't 100 per cent straight'". Radio Times. Retrieved 14 April 2023. 86.33.80.249 (talk) 19:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
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