Talk:Glottal stop

message: I deny the existence of the glottal stop, as a sound at least: Show me one that is not merely a schwa or an unaspirated cluster. lysdexia 09:42, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm afraid you're arguing against the vast mass of scholarly research in phonetics and phonology. There are plenty of examples of the role of glottal stop in phonology, including those on this page.  Nohat 21:29, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: disputed

message: From the German section:
:Otherwise the glottal stop is only used in front of words (or, for faster speakers, sentences) that begin with a vowel.
This applies to Dutch as well. Of course I don't know if this is also true in all dialects. Shinobu 06:15, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch 

message: As far as I know, there is no glottal stop in Japanese. It appears geminates have been confused with glottal stops, or that there is some coarticulation. --Vuo 13:48, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How embarrassing. I copy edited that without paying attention to what it said! (It was very late and I was running on yawns.) Japanese does have a glottal stop, and it is written sokuon, but it's only found in interjections like aaa’! Not part of the normal inventory. kwami 20:01, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Japanese DO have glottal stops when comes when two of the same consonants are side by side.Sparky-sama (talk) 03:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Japanese does have glottal stops and it is represented by 'っ' which is usually transcribed into English as a double consonant (though can vary in Japanese).  It's often (but not always) used when certain unvoiced consonants are next to each other within a word or for verb conjugations.  Examples:   いち(one)  いっかい(one time, "ichikai" is reduced to "ikkai" where the double 'k' represents a glottal stop), いく(go)  いった(went) - without the glottal stop it would become いた(was (in reference to living things)).  I don't have time to find references but I do speak the language.  I imagine it would be easy to find some, someone with time and an account go to it!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.98.223.132 (talk) 07:43, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are geminates. Japanese glottal stops are also written っ, but only at the end of an utterance (e.g. いてっ! "ouch!") Double sharp (talk) 12:47, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese 

message: I've added a  tag to where it says that the glottal stop can be used to separate wovels of different words in Finnish, as it is not the very reason why there is a glottal stop. For example, iso auto and siili yöpyi onkalossa have no glottal stops and still the words are easily distinguishable. I've heard a theory that words with glottal stops have in some point of time lost a final consonant and the glottal stop is a relict of that; in the film Unna ja Nuuk, where the characters spoke ancient Finnish, the word meaning Come! was pronounced /tulek/ as it nowadays is /tuleʔ/. I have no proof for this, though, so I'm leaving it as it is. –Mysid 09:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are sources for that. I will try to find them. --Per W (talk) 08:36, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes,  tule was /tulek/ as still is in some dialects. --Per W (talk) 13:18, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vowel separation in Finnish 

message: I added the stuff about the d, and the history and the word list. Any objections? thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.244.41.155 (talk • contribs) 
I'm dubious about adding so much information without any sourcing.  I took out the word list because we don't need so many examples.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 22:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The syllabic diacritic is a separate character .  If you scroll down to the diacritics section of the IPA article you'll see them laid out. Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 18:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Modifications

message: Umm, the Hebrew example doesn't actually have a glottal stop in its IPA. oops. If I knew anything about Hebrew I'd correct this.
:Good catch!  I've fixed it.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 09:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew 

message: How come the word is not self-descriptive?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.86.0.10 (talk) 13:17, August 22, 2007 (UTC) 
:It is pretty self descriptive.  Glottal meaning of the glottis and stop meaning a stop in airflow.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 15:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of the glottal stop

message: The glottal stop is also very prominent in African American Vernacular English and many American Indian languages, but I can't find that this is mentioned in this article. I think it should be. Badagnani 08:40, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A few Indian languages are mentioned already but more couldn't hurt.  AAVE, as far as I know, doesn't use the glottal stop much more than any other dialect of English.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 16:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Even if that were true about AAVE (which sources I've seen indicate it is not), it would be a minor extension of /t/ glottalization, which is present in almost all varieties of American English and even more so in Estuary English.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 18:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well we need a reliabe source that says this.  Otherwise it's original research.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 01:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether I've heard it is pretty moot.  Wikipedia is built on use of reliabile sources.  Check out the link and you'll see.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 20:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other languages 

message: Do glottal stops happen in General American at the end of words like "night", "lot ", and "wrote"?  I have noticed that the t's in these words aren't pronounced the same as the one in "hotel".  Thanks. 208.104.45.20 (talk) 21:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe so.  It's certainly the case that many Americans do it, though it's possible that it is instead a glottalized unrelease /t/ (that is, the tongue does make contact with the alveolar ridge but doesn't move away until the glottis has completely restricted airflow), which sounds identical to my ears.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 21:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a General American speaker and can attest that it is in fact a glottalized unreleased /t/ sound, which is distinct from the Cockney (and other regional English) word-final glottal stop. Some Americans pronounce it as a glottal stop (rather than a glottalized /t/), but this is rather stigmatized.Chalkieperfect (talk) 07:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

text: To me, a dead giveaway is the presence of glottal frication after the glottal stop (it may or may not be there). When you hear , you can be sure that the person is speaking Cockney/Estuary. Mr KEBAB (talk) 21:51, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  General American 

message: It seems to me that there can be no distinction between a word-initial vowel and a word-inital glottal stop followed by a vowel.
Is there, for instance, a difference between  and ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdr0 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, though I think utterance-initial vowels are often preceded by glottal stops in English.  So she said "uh-oh" is more likely to have the former than the latter.  Since this is entirely predictable on phonetic grounds, this is not a phonemic glottal stop.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 22:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: None can shake initial "invisible" consonants, mostly , ʔoff from a sentence beginning with a vowel.  Ɂa human is born with a glottis with such a structure. Wbxshiori (talk) 18:09, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word-initial glottal stop 

message: Surely it's nonsense to say "It is only found marginally in English" when the glottal stop is such a major feature of city dialects in England? And I'm sure it's equally common in 'Straiyan (aka 'Strine as in 'Strine chicks...). Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:09, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glo'al stop in England & Oz 

message: In Low Saxon dialect parts of the Netherlands (north/east) and Germany (north), Glottal Stops occur more often. The Glotal stop is used for more or less difficult consonants in words like weten (knowing) wee'n, (cooking) koken becomes koo'n, etc.82.75.214.253 (talk) 22:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glo'al stop in Low Saxony  

message: We have [kʰɛ̝ʔ] for Cockney and [kʰæʔt] for General American - shouldn't these be the other way round? Lfh (talk) 15:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  GA speakers may have a glottal stop with no unreleased [t] afterwards, but AFAIK, Cockney never does.  Also, the vowels are correct for each.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 19:38, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I was only looking at the vowels.  Looks like I'll have to revise my cockney. Lfh (talk) 20:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At some point, I offered cat shit and catch it as a minimal pair of sorts to demonstrate English's tenuous distinction between affricates and stop-fricative clusters.  Of course, even in my own speech the vowel of catch is raised but the vowel of cat is not.  I'm not sure what to make of this.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 20:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't help there, sorry.  The reason they looked the wrong way round to me is that the [ɛ̝] given for Cockney reminded me of American [ɛə], while I was sure that some cockneys do indeed use [æ].  But I don't suppose it matters much in the context of the glottal stop. Lfh (talk) 20:51, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA and Cockney examples 

message: In the occurences table, Japanese seems to be missing. Is the small "tsu" not an indicator of a glottal stop in Japanese? K3fka (talk) 01:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: tsu indicates .  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 05:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To my knowledge, a small tsu before a consonant indicates  after the consonant, i.e., a geminated consonant; however, I am not an expert on Japanese phonology, so I might be wrong. 22:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occurence in Japanese 

message: I have a suspicion that the feature of spanish language which calls for obligatory e at the beginning of words starting with 'sp' and 'sk' (like in 'escuela' for 'school',  'español' for 'spanish') was developed under Arabic influence during Arabic rule of Spain. For example, if you listen to the song "Speedy Gonzales" sung in Spanish by Kumbia All Starz, you will hear a glottal stop ['espeedy gonzales]  (best heard at about 2:08 in the video, not obstructed by music). Did anynone hear anything in this respect? Mukadderat (talk) 16:41, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, not at all, other Romance languages also have this feature (étudier, épice in French from studiare, specie through 'estudiare', 'especie'). This so called prothesis appears even in English: Especially from special, estate from state and so on... The Arabic influence in Spain is very often plain overkill, Spain is a Latin country and Spanish, apart from some vocabulary (mainly nouns for objects), shows very little influence of Arabic (in phonetics and grammar, almost nil) but instead a great many remainders of Latin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.147.8.7 (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence on Spanic language 

message: Could someone write an article section about the distinction of phonemic vs. non-phonemic glottal stop discussed in #Word-initial glottal stop above and in article Hamza (hamzatu l-qatʻ  vs.  hamzatu l-waṣl)? Mukadderat (talk) 16:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  phonemci vs non-phonemic glottal stop 

message: Actually two phenomena are described here without emphasizing the difference. One is the solitary glottal stop, the closure of the glottis as e.g. in GA "cat" before the "t", which is, as a consequence not audible. The other being the crack sound occurring with the opening of the glottis "under pressure" after its closure, as in RP "button" before the "n".
BTW, neither of them occurs in German "Verwaltung".
--Felix Tritschler (talk) 17:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two phenomena 

message: May I say that as a former resident of Renfrewshire and now a current resident of Perthshire, glottal stops are extremely common in modern Scottish speech, mostly representing the word T. The most common word in this style is "that" (from what I can hear at least), or similar sounding words such as "hat". I have noticed that Scots words like "bitty" up here are also pronounced with a glottal stop, as well as "tatties" and "banter" and so on and so forth.
A list I have compiled is as follows:
That, Hat, Banter, Canter, Tatties (for both Ts), Bitty (for both Ts), What, Scotland, Scots, Pit (as well as names like Pitlochry), Bent, Burnt, Shut
The list goes on.
In each of these, the T is a glottal stop.
I hope this is useful information.
--Venerable John (talk) 19:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Scots 

message: It appears to me the glottal stop used whenever a vowel is pronounced "by itself", like in the words eye, a or in. In the article, it's claimed that one appears halfway in the phrase "uh-oh". However I can't personally detect any difference in beginnings of the pronunciations of the of the "uh" and the "oh", perhaps someone can convince me otherwise? Woscafrench (talk) 21:07, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Seems more common than this article makes out

message: I simply do not understand this sentence: "There are intricate interactions between falling tone and the glottal stop in the histories of such languages as Danish (cf. stød), Chinese and Thai." I do not think this applies to neither the Danish "Stød" or instances of glottal stop in the Danish language. The "stød" is, according to the analysis I know, a purely syllabic feature. Maybe from some diachronic perspective the sentence makes sense, but this should be calirfied.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.105.37.95 (talk) 22:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danish again 

message: "German: Beamter, Verwaltung"
Yeah, good job on reinforcing stupid stereotypes ... in an article about glottal stops, goddangit. --89.244.89.99 (talk) 21:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: These are nothing more than example words, goddangit. Peter238 (talk) 13:22, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t have a single clue about glottal stops or phonetics in general, goddangit. 2600:1702:9B1:4E80:B90C:3BC3:5CB9:4D71 (talk) 23:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  German ... 

message: The term #could# contain what it describes (glo'al stop) but does not. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-self-referential term

message: The Barbagia of Ollolai
In the Sardinian language it is present in the dialect of nine countries: Ollolai, Fonni, Orgosolo, Mamoiada, Olzai, Ovodda, Gavoi, Lodine and Oliena, constituents the Barbagia of Ollolai in Province of Nuoro. In handwriting Sardinian denoted by the letter Q. Ex. Piqe [Piʔɛ], isqire [izʔirɛ], qonnosqer [ʔɔnnɔsʔɛr], paqe [paʔɛ], than the dialect logudorese central pike, iskire, connosker, pake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.16.80.131 (talk) 13:22, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Sardinian language

message: As a more-or-less RP speaker, I'm baffled by the claim that 'In Received Pronunciation, a glottal stop is inserted before a tautosyllabic voiceless stop, e.g. sto’p, tha’t, kno’ck, wa’tch, also lea’p, soa’k, hel’p, pin’ch'.  I can't access the cited source for this claim, but I wonder if it is accepted by any other authorities?  I suppose that as a matter of physiology there must be some break point at which the larynx changes from a voiced to a voiceless state, but to call this a glottal stop in the same sense as the Cockney bu'er, or even the common RP pronunciation of a word like 'button' without a clear enunciation of the 't', seems to me stretching the term too far.  Is it suggested that the pronunciation of a word like 'soak' is different in RP from, say, standard American?109.150.7.193 (talk) 19:24, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: There is no consonant in the sound sample, let alone glottal plosive. Please correct it. --How come why not (talk) 08:21, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a quite abrupt start of the vowel (stronger than it often is): that's the glottal stop. The reason that you're not perceiving a consonant is because your native language interprets a glottal stop as nothing, not because there is nothing there. --JorisvS (talk) 17:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The sound sample is incorrect 

message: What the heck "Symbolization" is supposed to mean? The three paragraphs of the section speak of various things, none of which seem to fit the meanings of wikt:symbolization. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:36, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done with it. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Symbolization" section title 

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message: Words such as French, inch, bunch, lunch, hunch, bench etc. all need a glottal stop.  Without a glottal stop "French" would become "Frensh".  
Compare this with the phrase "More dollars than cents", where "cents" and "sense" sound identical due to a lack of a glottal stop in "cents".
Linguists could choose to view this glottal stop as an intrusive consonant whose appearance is defined by rules.  However most students of ESL are not linguists, so for ESL purposes this glottal stop needs to be treated as a distinct phoneme.
I have found no reference to this anywhere in my large collection of books about language.Luo Shanlian (talk) 07:03, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: <ch> is a voiceless postalveolar affricate in my opinion. The affricate has a stop part in the start. Per W (talk) 20:13, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glottal stop is essential for some English words, at least in Australia 

message: Why is the link to Michael Jackson's thriller necessary?
:It is no longer a redirect, but a real article. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read the article in question? . It related by similarity. I see the similarity and I think it is interesting enough for other readers to look at. This is the purpose of "See also" section. Your view is that of a linguist, while mine is that of an encyclopedia reader. Therefore you are more strict in judging relations between these things. For me they are similar, even if superficially, hence an interesting analogy. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:57, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocal Hiccup Redirect 

message: I am pretty sure I have seen phrases that form a minimal pair somewhere here in wikipedia. It would be nice to have one in this article. The idea is that the stop should break an unintended meaning from joined up compounds. I am not sure if it has to be actually minimal in the phonemic sense. 
Obviously I cannot give an example if I came here to find an example that I cannot remember. 2A00:20:6005:F20A:657A:9ADA:7F68:E7D6 (talk) 23:14, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minimal phrase pair in English 

message: In the list of languages, the entry for Dahalo has no word or pronunciation listed. I don't know Dahalo, so I can't fix it myself.
Milkstran (talk) 19:27, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  No word listed for Dahalo under the list of languages 

message: The first wasn't pronounced correct, the second time he did, the third time he didn't. 2001:1970:55E8:7F00:609B:FE9D:97B6:926F (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The pronunciation example in the article is not correct 

message: Is it a Consonant or Vowel, and is it best represented by "uh-oh" or "uh(-)oh"
Ultradestroya48 (talk) 22:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which one? 

message: I recorded a sound recording where you can clearly hear the glottal stop:
[[File:Glottal stop after 'a' - example.wav|thumb|Glottal stop [ʔ] during and after pronouncing [ǎ]: [ǎˤʔ]]] Emdosis (talk) 23:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  proposal to change the audio example