Talk:Michael J. Moynihan

message: i suggest to update the info on Moynihan's current work as journalist ; he's been writing articles on the swedish opinion webzine The Stockholm Spectator (http://www.spectator.se/) in 2004 and 2005. see all his articles there: http://www.spectator.se/stambord/?author=1
-herm.
:I don't believe this is the same person. :bloodofox: 03:32, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael Moynihan, Swedish journalist

message: I think there ought to be some discussion of the goals of TYR as a journal, or of the general themes of Moynihan's writing. The article radical traditionalism doesn't exist at this point, and I suppose there could be cause to create it, but either Moynihan's own page or the TYR article could serve just as well for a short discussion. Would any of these be more or less suited to such a summary? More than a summary? --Cantara 22:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: goals of radical traditionalists

message: I found a review of Lords of Chaos that includes lots of other interesting biographical information. It was originally published in a print journal or magazine, so I think it's fair game as far as new content goes. However, there's a lot of it. Who wants to help work it in? Cantara 21:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, I have now noticed that it's already linked on the page. Ah well. I still think that more of the material therein should be included, especially the information about other people he's worked with over the years. Some of it could also be worked into the Blood Axis article. Cantara 21:32, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: help with this?

message: Can someone verify that the Abraxas Foundation is anything other than Boyd Rice and his Satanic colleagues expressing the wish for mass murder on a global scale? If this article is to be believed, the only indication that this 'think tank' had ever existed was its mention on the Bob Larson show. Is that it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.206.118.202 (talk) 08:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was probably just a group related to the Church of Satan centered largely around Rice, from what I understand. Regarding the "mass murder," I think that's a bit of a knee jerk reaction. :bloodofox: 09:16, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Abraxas Foundation

message: MM does not "deny the accusation". He made sly comments to the effect that he embraces fascism in the 1990s, and he has been making comments to the effect that the question is a fallacy conjured up by hysterical activist types, and that he cannot give a yes or no answer due to the "intricacy" of the topic. A man can change his views. It is perfectly fair to state that he said "yes, but" to fascism in the 1990s, and "no comment" in the 2000s. I actually agree with MM that the question is irrelevant. If he prefers to label Evola's crypto-fascism "Radical Traditionalism", he is welcome to do so. The same ideology is still crypto-fascism in everyone else's terminology, so there is really no dispute on content, just terminology. dab (𒁳) 09:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, it all comes down to you using "Neo-Fascist" as a descriptor without anything else next to it noting that it is someone's opinion rather than Moynihan's self-descriptor. This is what I've repeated here over and over to you. Also, the "neo-fascist" quote has a "dubious source" tag, which I appreciate you placing as it seems to be. I will check into it later to see if it is. Evola is obviously on one of the sources of inspiration for Radical Traditionalism here. :bloodofox: (talk) 12:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: well, I placed the "dubious" because MM's statement is translated from German, and it isn't made clear whether the original statement was made in English or German (MM appears to be fluent in German, as evidenced by his reply to Schobert, and by his 2001 degree in German studies). dab (𒁳) 12:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Nobody ever claimed it was, it was a direct Gardell citation. Zach Dundas provides three of the cited articles referenced here, one of which is a negative review of Tyr. Obviously, he is neither a friend nor a "supporter". Research, Dab, research. :bloodofox: (talk) 11:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: regarding the "fascism" label

message: Dab, your request for deletion did not go through and you merged it with this article. There was no consensus for this and it is not there are numerous other notable figures who have contributed to this journal outside of Moynihan. I assume you reconstructed this page for this purpose and I would have disagreed on the merge. :bloodofox: (talk) 12:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: there was "no consensus" to delete the article, which I accept as reasobable. I see no rationale presented on why it shouldn't be merged. See WP:BK. If you want to argue to keep it separate, pray show how these guidelines are being met by Tyr. dab (𒁳) 12:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was also "no consensus" for you to merge the article but you decided to hack it up and then do so anyway because your AFD failed. Might I remind you that Moynihan is only one of the editors and contributors to the magazine. :bloodofox: (talk) 11:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arbitrary merge of Tyr (journal) to Moynihan page

message: the following sentence does not make grammatical sense if its current form. "In a 2002 analysis German social scientist Christian Dornbusch remarks that Moynihan, through his musical and writing actions, "evokes a mindset which wants to design a future based on völkisch and fascist respectively national socialist thinkers.[...]"
also, it is misguided to try to make this article relevant to Oregon, as suggested by the "Oregon portal" banner at the top of this discussion page.  Fp cassini (talk) 10:16, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Further accounts" 

message: Michael Strmiska did a review of all three volumes of Tyr for a peer reviewed scholarly journal  The Pomegranate in 2010. He had personal communications with Moynihan as part of his preparation for the review. This is a significant new source especially concerning accusations of fascism, racism, bla bla bla, against Moynihan. Strmiska is a self-described "liberal-leftist", and he gives Tyr a clean bill of health. I have already included some information from Strmiska's review to the  Tyr article, and I will try to do the same (well, not exactly the same) here in the next couple of days. --Durruti36 (talk) 23:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New(ish) important source: Michael Strmiska 

message: An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:02, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: I propose moving the article from "Michael Moynihan (journalist)" to "Michael Jenkins Moynihan" or "Michael J. Moynihan" to reduce confusion; not only with journalist Michael C. Moynihan, but also with the  Irish Examiner columnist of the same name  (who has apparently also edited books about Germanic paganism?). —Morning star (talk) 19:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and I went ahead and moved the page. I decided to use "Michael Jenkins Moynihan" based on a Google searches revealing that name to be far more common in relation to this individual than "Michael J. Moynihan" ('"Michael Jenkins Moynihan" "blood axis" OR  "lords of chaos" -wikipedia': 7350 results; '"Michael J. Moynihan" "blood axis" OR  "lords of chaos" -wikipedia': 75 results). Iamcuriousblue (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to move article 

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