Talk:Sibiu

message: There are repetead vandalisms from some IP's, generally frustrated students from Sibiu. Please stop!!! Mabye a ban will be necessary.
-Orioane 14:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalisms

message: The phrase "leaf shaped tower on the corners" is sitting here in a context where its meaning is unclear. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant that the tower has the shape of a leaf(or spade - ♠), and these towers were situated at the corners of the fortifications - that was the main ideea. Concerning the Arts' House, in Romanian it's "Casa Artelor" :D Thx anyway for your modifications!!! --Orioane 12:12, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Ah! We'd say something like "House of the Arts", this one can't really be done with a possessive/genitive in English. On the tower shape, I need to think of the right word, maybe trefoil, but let me think on it. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:00, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaf shaped tower 

message: I finaly found the surface in square kilometers on Sibiu's page on the http://www.romaniatourism.com/ website. -Orioane 08:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surface 

message: I don't know if this is the proper nae for the main saxon cathedral in Sibiu. I think Lutheran Protestant or simply Lutheran would be more apropriate, but the exact Romanian name is Evangelical. Any opinions? -Orioane 10:20, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's tricky, because English-speakers who know Central Europe would probably say "Evangelical" when referring to former Austria-Hungary and those thinking in the context of the English-speaking countries would say "Lutheran". I think this can be solved with a parenthetical remark, I'll take a shot. If we ever decide to do an article just on the building—it probably deserves one—I'd put it at Evangelical Cathedral (Sibiu). -- Jmabel | Talk 00:30, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

text: WHen I lived in Sibiu I and everyone I knew (AMerican and Romanian) referted to it in Romanian as you say, but in english as "Lutheran".  Is it actually a Lutheran church?  I don't know I just always thought of it as one of those cases where the Languages do not line up.  Especially with the more moderan (American/western) uses of the term Evangelical.  That said either name is I think ok for an article, even though I don't think of it as Evangelical in the same sense as I use the word, that is the sort of thing the article can deal with. Dalf | Talk 05:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly. It's tricky. Here in the US, we have at least half a dozen different synods of Lutherans (at least two of which call themself "Evangelical") and some Lutherans who reject the concept of synods. See (link no longer working and system thinks its spam so i can not post Mariushm 07:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evangelical Cathedral 

message: A term that absolutely does not exist in English. I'm guessing that "humane studies" intends to say "Humanities", but I don't even have a guess on "real studies". - Jmabel | Talk 03:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "real studies" refer to a curriculum of hard sciences or exact sciences such as physics, mathematics, chemistry (called also in Romanian ştiinţe exacte).  The so-called "humane" studies refer to the soft sciences. Mentatus 08:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  So is there any problem changing this to "social sciences" and "sciences", respectively? -- Jmabel | Talk 04:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds good to me. Mentatus 12:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Humane and real studies" 

message: I realize that someone in Romania who thinks they speak English wrote this page on Sibiu, because certain phrases just don't sound natural. When I tried changing them, someone quickly changed them back! What I mean: The Large Square and The Small Square are terrible translations, that's why I tried to use the word 'plaza' to make it more accessible for English speaking people.
:"I realize that someone in Romania who thinks they speak English". That is all I have to say. Dahn 22:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with "plaza" instead of "square", if that usage is sanctioned by anything in particular. It's your other interventions in the text. Dahn 17:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Plaza" and "Square" are both common in English. "Square" is more common. But I agree that The Large Square and The Small Square would be unlikely English names. English-speaking cities that have an equivalent of a Piaṭa Mare tend to call it "Central Square", but of course that would be very non-literal. - Jmabel | Talk 19:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Large Square and The Small Square are word-by-word translations of the romanian names of two squares in  Sibiu: "Piaţa Mare" and "Piaţa Mică" (yes, that's how they're called). I will change the names to The "Piaţa Mare" square and The "Piaţa Mică" Square. Also, I am commenting the picture with the footnote Piaţa Mare because it is by no means a good picture for it. All you can see is people drinking at a beer festival(probably). Mariushm 12:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  In which case they are "Major Square" and "Minor Square" in English (my mother tongue) as no English speaking person would say The Large Square and The Small Square. Word by word translation is NOT translation.  I suggest Romania be more open to "meaning" corrections and not stick to dictionary translation in such a Germanic way. Garigolf Talk 14:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not always vandalism 

message: Why is the Sibiu gallery at www.flickr.com deleted again and again. I've never inserted it (didn't visit this page before) but I can't see why it should not be included. It's relevant and of good quality 62.78.173.36 19:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure i'd say it's as bad as 50/50, I jsut went through the first 28 pages of it.  There is one users who apparently has a coffee fetish and appears to have taken a picture of every cup he has while in romania, but even including those I woudl say its about 70% decent illastrative pictures of Sibiu, and another 10% or so of decent pictures of other Romanian topics.  In general do article link to flickr? Dalf | Talk 21:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think there is a policy either way on this. I usually don't link to flickr, though when people have given CC permissions I will gladly see those photos added to the Commons. - Jmabel | Talk 03:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FlickR

message: How could something in Europe in 1551 be the world's first experiment with rockets? What about the Chinese? - Jmabel | Talk 18:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: It appears Sibiu and Hermannstadt are both official names of the city; both names are used on public signs, and the official website of the city as European Capital of Culture lists the name of the city as "Sibiu – Hermannstadt" and "The City of Sibiu/Hermannstadt". For this reason, I think the name Hermannstadt should be bolded and treated differently than the names in various other languages (Serbian etc.). Urban XII (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is likely for tourism purposes: Germany isn't far from Romania by plane, Germany is still oriented East to some extent, lots of Saxons and other Germans might want to visit the place (and do so), etc. But under Romanian law, to qualify for official status at the local level, you need 20% of the population. Sadly, this happened - they almost all left. Of course, since the city's history is so thoroughly German, I have no objection to bolding Hermannstadt, but it's not official either. - Biruitorul Talk 04:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Official names

message: Hello, "Kingdom of Hungary, present-day Romania" is not clear. It anticipates, for readers who do no know the history of this area well, that the Kingdom of Hungary is now Romania. Transylvania was a "co-country" of Kingdom of Hungary, a seperate entity with high autonomy inside KoH (in some cases more tied to KoH some cases not). The list is showing that a lot of things were started in Sibiu, which were the firsts inside the complete KoH (and I think for Romania as well, as at that time it was Moldavia+Wallachia). My suggestion is to replace with "Kingdom of Hungary, (Transylvania is present-day Romania)". Abdulka (talk) 10:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like you went ahead and did this, too. Now every other line has this little bit of info. I think from reading the page it becomes clear to everyone that Transylvania is present-day Romania without reading it all this time. Transsylvania has a long and complex history. Perhaps it would be better to include a link to the history of Transsylvania. Now it reads like it was added by a Romanian nationalist who wants to make it absolutely clear Transsylvania is yours now.. Hertog (talk) 19:15, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: I have removed the section where it is claimed that Hahnemann visited Sibiu in 1797 and opened the word's first homeopathic laboratory there. What is the source of this claim?
Hahnemann was in Sibiu in 1777, accompanying baron Samuel von Brukenthal to catalogue his huge book collection and act as unofficial physician. There is no proof that he was even thinking about homeopathy at this stage. I have checked with the curator of the Pharmacy Museum in Sibiu and she confirmed Hahnemann never opened a homeopathy laboratory there (he never returned to Sibiu after his short stay in his youth). Jo Esoteric (talk) 18:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this removal, and also noticed that large parts of this article are unreferenced. I've added the refimprove tag to mark this as a problem that needs attention. Thanks, Verbal chat 18:32, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  References (was Disputed - Hahnemann) 

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message: Hello, would somebody be interested in helping with remaking some of the sections in this article? Namely transportation and main sights. I also suggest removing some of the images. Some of them are in excess. (check main sights)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F08:428F:FFFF:0:0:50F:EA48 (talk) 20:17, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total revamp of some sections 

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message: Andymxm,
are you serious? After you are adding the Romanian name of Békéscsaba (), and nobody removes it, although the Romanian population is about 0,5 %, and here, about 1,6 % Hungarians and 1,1% Germans you "deduce" that the Hungarian population is insignificant thus the Hungarian name should be removed because of "bilinguality", but the German can stay....
Sorry,
ad 1: significance here is not necessarily based on the percent of the population, but historical designation that is common in Transylvania related articles
ad 2: it has not any connection to "bilinguality" (!= other name), as similar holds for hundreds of other articles. Usually we show three main historical names, Romanian, German and Hungarian.
So there is no consensus for the removal.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:59, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I think the term is kind of meaningless — by definition, every city is cultural, in that they are the products of civilization. Looking through the List of cities and towns in Romania, how many of, let’s say, the first 50 would you not describe as “cultural”? Just a handful, I would guess.
The fact that Sibiu has a rich culture should be demonstrated through the text, not asserted in the opening sentence. - Biruitorul Talk 12:52, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: When it comes to cities, cultural obviously doesn't mean that they are a product of civilization, but that they are important when it comes to cultural events, like the European Capital of Culture. That's also a definition of the word cultural - see the second definition given here https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/cultural. Lupishor (talk) 17:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet, no other place is described as a “cultural city”. Florence, Prague, Amsterdam, Salamanca, Linz, Porto, Antwerp — all are just plain “city”. Rather makes you wonder, no? - Biruitorul Talk 17:48, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've actually looked at that too, even before adding cultural, but I still thought, why not add it, as long as there is no Wikipedia rule which forbids that? When I think about it now, though, I think cultural is the only word of the type that could be added to a page opening, and - like you've said - there are a lot of cities worldwide which you could consider cultural. But then again, there are probably a lot more that you can't. I do get your point, but seeing as the cities that can be called cultural are the minority - despite being big in number - I don't see what's wrong with adding the word. It could also be added on other city pages, like the ones you've mentioned. Lupishor (talk) 18:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: So, then, if a city is a plain "city", as opposed to a "cultural city", does it mean it is a "некультурный city"?  I know, there must be some kind of logical fallacy in my attempted reductio ad absurdum argument, but still, we should be mindful of the potential slippery slope one would engage in trying to decide by fiat which cities of the world are to be afforded the honorific, and which are not.  Unless perhaps there is a clearly defined metric by which one could make a more-or-less impartial decision? Turgidson (talk) 00:27, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if it's 2 vs 1, I am going to remove cultural, despite there being no rule that forbids adding that. Lupishor (talk) 09:35, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: “Cultural city”

message: @Lupishor are you sure that section belongs in the intro paragraphs of the article? I would put them in the economy section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sniffitz (talk • contribs) 08:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  eGold section