Talk:Johannes Ronge

message: I think the German American link is interesting, but just confusing here and on Berthe's page since neither went to America that I know of.  Once the link is listed is on some relevant German-American pages, I think it should just be deleted on the Ronges' pages. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 18:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: German-American link

message: I would agree with Angr that the page is more properly named Johannes (and BertheBertha) Ronge.  This is Carl Schurz's usage and he was close to the family.  Isfdog has undone that work, a backward step I think; though the starting of a page on BertheBertha certainly more than compensates.  I have added a redirect for the talk page so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 18:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this article does use the wrong name for Johannes Ronge. (See: , , and , for example.) I'll correct it in the article, but it would be nice if someone could change the title.  75.2.209.226 (talk) 04:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Thanks for your backup research.  Sorry to see Bertha Ronge article got deleted due to copyright infringement.  Bob Burkhardt (talk) 19:54, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like this got undone, I'm contacting Bob Burkhardt to see about redoing it. --Nuujinn (talk) 09:37, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes, there is certainly a determined attempt to make this fellow into Johannes von Rönge, and a parallel attempt to make his wife into Bertha von Rönge. Bertha suffers from lesser notability and so it is difficult to find sources with a correct name. All the reliable sources I found call her husband Johannes Ronge. All these articles sources have been removed in the current version. This includes several two encyclopedia articles available in Wikisource. His brother-in-law Carl Schurz calls him Johannes Ronge when he writes about him. This remake effort even extends to fabrications in Wikisource. When I checked the sources for the Whittier and Rossetti poems there the last time I fixed this vandalism, they both called him Johannes Ronge, in one case this source was an original manuscript. It is good to see two new sources with the correct name have been introduced. I appreciate the attention the problem is getting.  And the Bertha Ronge article seems to have been resurrected. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 17:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've merged the two articles here manually, if there are no objections I'll blank that page but for a note redirecting readers here (so as to preserve the history), and archive that page's talk here (so we'll have it all here). Messy, but I think that's the best I can come up with. --Nuujinn (talk) 19:18, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, the talk pages are linked already, so now changes there. --Nuujinn (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, I just did redirects. --Nuujinn (talk) 22:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks.  I fixed some problems with other pages and links.  So both Ronges look good now. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 22:53, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Page name

message: Hmm... It appears that parts of this article have been copied from Kevin J. Brehony, a professor at Roehampton University. Please try to rewrite the article. I really don't want to have to hack away at it... Otherwise, the move looks good! 71.139.142.128 (talk) 04:55, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice catch, thanks for the head's up. --Nuujinn (talk) 10:32, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation 

message: * There has been a spate of cut and paste moves on these pages Johannes von Rönge, Johannes von Ronge, Johannes Ronge. I've protected the redirects for now and reported it at WP:REPAIR, to try to join up the attribution history.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut and Paste 

message: Please note Anthony Appleyard comments above, because of the manic cut and pastes that have been going on, it is unable to to properly histmerge the two other pages. Would editors on this subject please check those histories to see if anything has been lost in the process. Thanks. I have left the other two (now redirect) pages that were originally part of the cut and paste war fully protected. To move to either of them a proper WP:RM will have to be agreed by consensus.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anything to merge? 

message: It's mentioned in the lead (which currently mentions very little else about his career) that he was a member of the parliament in Worms. This isn't referred to in the rest of the article at all. Anyone know what's going on there?--Kotniski (talk) 10:00, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: (Generally speaking, in fact, I think the lead could be pretty well rewritten from scratch.)--Kotniski (talk) 10:03, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, have a go. I think the worms thing is a mistake. Ronge was elected to the German parliament in 1848 see this, but that Parliament was in Frankfurt. There have been "parliaments" in Worms, see Diet of Worms. --Nuujinn (talk) 12:50, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worms?