Talk:Valencian Community/Archive 2

message: Land of Valencia?. This name is invented by the wikipedians, the name in english must be Valencian Community or Community of Valencia, or simple: Valencia (autonomous community), because the name of this region is Valencia, like the capital. But Land of Valencia is not a name with english tradition and what is the mean?. I read some lines ago that the most usual name in internet is Community of Valencia, good, use this name for the Valencia autonomous community. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.120.17.126 (talk • contribs) January 26, 2006.
::: Exactly.  I cited 9 sources in English (official and academic), and someone above cited a US government source--none use Land of Valencia.  The disagreement here is with Joanot, who insists on using Land of Valencia for imaginary political reasons.  Malandi 22:13, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name is not correct 

message: Some of the city names are in Spanish with a Valencian version in parentheses, others in Valencian with a Spanish version in parentheses.  Let's have one or the other for consistency's sake.
: In some cities there is historically Spanish-speaker, and in others there are Catalan-speaker, and so it's respecting the local endonym. By exemple, there are the names Orihuela (Spanish) and Oriola (Catalan) for the same city, but there is using Orihuela because it's historically Spanish-speaker. You can see the Spanish-speaker area and the Catalan-speaker area in a map shown at Valencian. There is a border used with a red line. --Joanot Martorell ✉ 19:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistent city names 

message: I think this sentence is out of place in the first paragraph: Nowadays, the Valencian Statute of Autonomy is being reformed in order to recognize officially Valencia as a nationality, pursuant to the Spanish Constitution of 1978.
The opening paragraph should set the scene geographically and administratively, that's it--just like in all the other articles (including the Spanish version) Malandi 06:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, if the statutes haven't actually been reformed yet, then it's a proposed reform or simply a proposal.  The sentence conveys something overly definitive and reeks of non-NPOV Malandi 18:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statute being reformed? 

message: I think the opening paragraph should set the scene geographically and administratively.  This means: saying what major administrative subunits Valencia governs and where it is in Spain (see this article as an example http://www.orbilat.com/Encyclopaedia/V/Valencia_community.html).  Saying that it is in Eastern Iberia isn't necessary, since people can figure out that Spain is almost exclusively in Iberia, thus saying eastern Spain is sufficient.  Also, things like land border could be placed in the sidebar instead of the first paragraph, since it isn't a critical feature of Valencia.  The coastline, however, is, since Valencia has a heavy tourist industry.  Perhaps mentioning some comparative details would be better, like "xth longest in Spain" Malandi 18:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening paragraph 

message: I think translation castellano as Castilian is a bit overkill, since the Castilian v. Spanish distinction is really a political issue for the inhabitants of Spain about the naming of the language.  In English when you say Castilian it refers to a specific dialect of Spanish and not the Spanish language, the latter of which is the intended meaning of castellano in these cases.  In English the term Spanish is overwhelmingly preferred.  Malandi 10:17, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In Valencian vs. Catalan case it's the exactly same matter as Castilian vs. Spanish. --Joanot Martorell ✉ 18:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you missed one of my points.  It's 'not' the same for this reason: in Spanish they're using 'castellano' to refer to the Spanish language and divorce the word from nationality.  In English 'Castilian' is rare to find when referring to the 'Spanish language' (and not the dialect of Castile). Malandi 23:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Castilian vs. Spanish 

message: What's the big fuss with including "Valencian Community" as one of the possible translated names?  This translation appears in scholarly articles (cited above), tourist guides, Universities in Valencia, and a sizable number (the largest number) of webpages in English.  The Valencian gov't has already mentioned it does not act in any official capacity regarding the translation of the name, so that can't be an issue.
I really don't see the leap of logic that it takes here to accept Valencian Community: Comunidad Autónoma <--> Autonomous Community; Valenciana <--> Valencian; Comunidad Valenciana <--> _____________.  Given the specific nomenclature of the autonomous communities, the meaning is pretty clear.  In English, Country is usually associated with (independent) states, which neither the Basque AC is nor Valencia, but people accept those names in English.   Malandi 00:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of "Valencian Community"