Talk:Dolores O'Riordan

message: Hello. I just saw : failed verification. Can you tell me more to improve this sentence without deleting it?
→ Familiar to the 90s alt-rock belt but always devoted to her love for falsetto, her voice was rather light without applying an uncomfortable weight and she characteristically deployed a soft projection when she sang the lowest notes.
"falsetto" (breathy sound) is the most piercing voice of a singer. "low notes" is the opposite, her lowest note is : B2. "belt or belting" is the strongest, loud voice, it's near screaming but still clean singing it's rock like in her songs "Promises" or Hollywood". It's not very complicated for those who do not know that, there are Wikipedia links.
The text is a differently written version than what is in source 141 (therangplanet.proboards.com). The orignial text is under "Vocal Summary" of the source. I did not invent anything everything is in this source. Oroborvs (talk) 17:52, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Oroborvs, I agree with the effort to include some description of her vocal style in the article. But of course we need to abide by wikipedia policies of WP:Verifiable, Reliable source and No original research. Thank you for taking the time to find some sources. However, I had to remove two sources on WP:RS grounds. When you add information (especially appraisals), we need to ensure that the sources are reliable, which means that the source is generally respected for their opinions on the topic. Anonymous commentators do not count, unfortunately. The sources for the 'rock belt' and 'falsetto' are OK, but not great. It would be much better to find a single knowledgeable source that appraises her singing and include that. This would solve all our problems. Ashmoo (talk) 13:07, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ashmoo, the only reliable source is The Range Planet (version 2.0 of The Range Place) from which the information is taken from the first two and a half lines of the paragraph (which also includes terminologies : "alt-rock belting", "falsetto", "light voice", "soft projection"). This website is considered as the first reference for the analysis of the voices of the singers, and mentioned on USA Today, The Telegraph, Time. O'Riordan's page was written by one of the four administrators of The Range Planet. Studies concerning voice type, vocal range, number of octaves, and significant high/low notes are done by vocal trainers and people experienced in singing. Her vocal range corresponds to a normal voice type of a mezzo-soprano and they do not exaggerate in their analyses because they only count studio recordings, not concerts, indeed he told me that her voice had reached to C#6 (a note above C6) on "Dreams" live in Basel, Switzerland 2007, this is why her highest note is considered as C6 which is on the studio recording song "Pathetic Senses" of 1993. I searched for months, her vocal profile on The Range Planet is the only source of extremely detailed information on the voice of O'Riordan, there is no other reliable source except succinct and basic things repeated in the media like "lilting keening", "celtic voice", "yodeling" . Also, the quote : "She didn't sing much in the 5th octave", comes from a youtube video of a vocal analysis made by an experienced singer / vocal trainer. Oroborvs (talk) 20:28, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Voice" section 

message: There's a lack of picture, from Artistry to Death section. It's a bit dull to have only text in this area, while there are three images right before.
Oroborvs (talk) 20:02, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images