Talk:Ben Kiernan

message: Can anyone clarify Kiernan vis-a-vis the Australian History Wars, a quote and response re Kiernan has been place on the Keith Windschuttle article, with a dismissive note on Kiernan's early analysis of the Cambodian genocide. Paul foord 08:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: The material in the article is non-neutral. One specific problem is the following paragraph:
"In his early twenties, Kiernan visited Cambodia but left before the Khmer Rouge expelled all foreigners in 1975. Though he initially doubted the scale of genocide then being perpetrated in Democratic Kampuchea, he changed his mind in 1978[1][2][3] after interviews with several hundred refugees from Cambodia. He learnt the Khmer language, carried out extensive research in Cambodia and among refugees abroad, and has since written many critically-acclaimed books on the topic."
(a) This is not an accurate or neutral description of the subject's pre-1980 career. It does not describe his academic or professional career in the era in question. 
(b) The only sources presented are those of the author himself or his close collaborators.
(c) The controversial parts of his career are currently excluded *in total*
"Twenty-six Cambodian scholars publicly sided with Kiernan in the brouhaha."
The 26 names are not made of up of all Cambodian Scholars. 
(*) Eileen Blumenthal is a Professor of theater
(*) Sara Colm and Paul Quinn-Judge are journalists
(*) Laura McGrezo is involved in human rights law and not a scholar
(*) Theanvy Kuoch, Linchy Higham and Dith Pran are Cambodians survivors, not scholars
(*) Mary F. Scully is a health professional, not a scholar
(*) Several others were research or postdoctoral fellows at the east-west institute in Hawaii. They are at the edge of what can be called "scholars".
By its presentation of the list, by the factual error in representing the list as made up of scholars, by using the word "brouhaha", the article is non-neutral.
"In an article in the Walrus Magazine, Kiernan and Taylor Owen wrote that recent evidence reveals that Cambodia was bombed by the U.S. far more heavily than previously believed. They conclude that "the impact of this bombing, the subject of much debate for the past three decades, is now clearer than ever. Civilian casualties in Cambodia drove an enraged populace into the arms of an insurgency that had enjoyed relatively little support until the bombing began, setting in motion the expansion of the Vietnam War deeper into Cambodia, a coup d'état in 1970, the rapid rise of the Khmer Rouge, and ultimately the Cambodian genocide.""
The above is clearly NPOV in that it is selective political statement inserted into the middle of what is supposed to be a biography section. The subject of the article is not responsibility for the cambodian genocide, but Ben Kiernan. The description of a 2006 article as dealing with "recent evidence" is inaccurate. 
174.46.28.58 (talk) 21:35, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You cannot remove an NPOV tag unilaterally and without consensus. The tag will remain until this has at least been discussed. 174.46.28.58 (talk) 21:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: "Under point (a): I dispute the claim that this is NPOV or an inaccurate assessment of the subject's early and later academic career." Solgress (talk) 19:35, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV round (2) 

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