Talk:Samurai Champloo/Archive 2

message: We dont need that many link on the bottom of the page, especially fansite links, this area should be simplified.-Tik
:I suggest comparing these links to the ones on the Cowboy Bebop page. Bebop has 12 links: 3 are offical sites, 3 are encyclopedic sites, 4 are fansites (well done and quite famous one, however). Champloo has 10 links: there are 4 official sites (wierd), 2 are summaries, i.e. tv.com, one is a gallery and one pertains to the music, leaving only 2 of the most popular champloo fansites to be posted here. Perhapes the links should be organized in this sort of fashion? --Pointyfingers 15:10, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many links 

message: I've been doing research but so far have been able to confirm whether Gamblers and Gallantry's ending song (when Shino escapes with Jin) is a remix/sample of Jose Feliciano's Affirmation or George Benson's (who redid it) or simply an original tune. Though it not being included on any of the official soundtracks seems to go against that last possibility. I'll leave it out of the article until I can get some confirmation. Antrophica 04:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode 11 - Ending Music 

message: This show is chockfull of them. I don't have access to any of the episodes at the moment; I'm listing what I can from memory. Anybody with the DVDs at hand, feel free to expand that section. Antrophica 19:50, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's unnecessary to explain the obvious. --Antrophica 16:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visual Metaphors 

message: Who put the huge Bebop spoiler under 'Crows'? :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.120.225.56 (talk • contribs) 
*Sorry about that.  I've updated the spoiler warnings.  --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 11:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't see the point?  How about the fact that any spoilers to Cowboy Bebop aren't "directly related to the article" to begin with?  At the very least, you need an end-spoiler warning to tell readers when they can safely get back to the article if they haven't watched the other series.  More appropriately, the information related to Cowboy Bebop should be moved to it's own section and appropriately spoiler-warned.  I'd do it myself but I still haven't seen Cowboy Bebop and would like to not ruin myself beyond what I've already read here, to my extreme displeasure. --Rocketgoat 22:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm not sure why you have spoilers to one anime in a different article. That stuff belongs on a page dedicated to the director. I expect SC spoilers here but not CB ones so I just casually scrolled down and find spoilers to an anime I'm only half way through. Make a directors page, this stuff doesn't belong here. Bowen 01:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cowboy Bebop spoiler 

message: Is it just me, or does this page not have enough images? >_>... - 172.184.209.124
*It could use one or two more, I guess. I'd put in a screenshot of a flock of crows in the Visual Metaphors section if I had the episodes to grab them from. --Antrophica 10:23, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not enough images...  

message: 68.108.96.45, please stop inserting things like "most graphic animated show ever made" unless you have a reasonable source to cite. I think the article, especially the Certification section, speaks for itself. Additionally, inserting "strong" in front of "graphic violence" is pointless and redundant because graphic violence already means strong violence. All this makes the article look sloppy. --Antrophica 10:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pointlessness. Redundancy. Sloppiness. 

message: Adult Swim started airing episodes 14-26 eight days after they premiered the series? Apofisu 04:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: I think Samurai Champloo contains enough of the following to justify their listing: graphic violence, strong language, brief nudity, sexuality and drug use. If you're a detractor, you might discount drug use on the basis that the events of Episode Nine were meant to be comedic. But drugs were consumed. To be precise, an entire field of marijuana was lit up and almost everyone in the vincinity got stoned. --Antrophica 16:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's all but stated in the episode where it appears that that is indeed marijuana. I'm not a drug expert, but from the appearance of the plant to the effects to the intentionally-anachronistic reference to 'purple haze,' I sincerely doubt it's opium.--MythicFox 10:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Certification 

message: Mugen, has a capoeira-esque fighting style that resembles the breakdancing of the 1980s.
*by 'you', I mean to the person who made this entry.
I am not sure whether or not it was originally intended for Mugen's style of fighting to resemble that of capoeira, but after watching samurai champloo, it does not seem so. I am assuming that you have come to this conclusion because of a predisposition to generalize characters that show a striking resemblance to Brazilians and the fact that Mugen, unlike any other character in samurai champloo uses his legs to attack/defend. I hope you have read the entry on capoeira and have seen an actual demonstration of it. Just because he uses his legs and feet to fight and has brown skin does not mean he automatically is displaying capoeira or a "capoeira-esque"  fighting style, karate and tae kwon do (which bears more resemblance due to the use of hands) can be easily substituted and is more appropriate. Capoeira is more of a dance than a fighting style, does not use hands, and has a rhythmic footwork pattern. Mugen on the other hand indeed uses his legs to stick it up to opponents' buttocks, uses his hands, and is extremely erratic. Perhaps 'combat breakdancing' is a more faithful description of Mugen's style. --Boy Tusok 09:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest "Mugen's fighting style shows similarities to both capoeira and breakdancing." --Tachikoma 22:57, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good suggestion. Go ahead and edit it in. --Antrophica 03:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't know if it's worth mentioning in the article, but Spike Spiegel in the Cowboy Bebop movie also seems to be killed and then come back to life thanks to the intercession of a shaman (in this case, someone who looks like a Native American). I don't know if the director of Bebop and Champloo is trying to say something by that, or if he merely likes the idea. --Tachikoma 20:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I found an article on the general subject. Ryukyuan religion. Of course it doesn't have some of the things I've found, but we're editors after all... -- Makaio 23:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The blade resembles that of a shamshir, but the grip resembles a sai's. --Antrophica 12:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Mugen's blade (Typhoon Swell) is likely a combination of more than one style of sword.  It's not curved enough to be a shamshir... perhaps it's more along the lines of a sabre and a sai.Melissia 11:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Addendum:  Basing my judgement off of the image on the Shamshir page.Melissia 11:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mugen 

message: When I looked at that pic with the three characters in the wiki page, I thought Mugen was a negro, but when I watched the 2nd episode on SBS last night, I found out he was just a tanned dude. Well, I love the show, it's real good anime, and the dubbing its kind of awesome! Darkroom Danny 05:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mugen 

message: ...needs serious work. It doesn't give any sort of information about the plot whatsoever, it's more of  a short essay listing instances of "you can't run away from the past", an opinion as to the theme. Its reading requires a LARGE amount of knowledge about the series. It's all about this person's opinion of the theme, again. --Naruttebayo 06:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to agree.  Someone does need to pretty much redo the plot-- the plot is actually fairly simple, to a degree, yet the section doesn't get that across well. --Melissia 20:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been redoing the plot. I just happened to take a 3-month long Wiki-break. The old plot section was terrible so I'm rewriting it as an event-by-event description. It is not the author's place to discuss the themes that s/he thinks are there. It should simply be a history of the story. ask123 (talk) 20:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Section 

message: I think that director trademarks should be removed and instead put into Watanabe's own page. I haven't changed anything because I wanted to get a second opinion first.
:I would have to agree with you. I don't exactly know what are you referring to when you say "director trademarks" though. (Just back from long Wiki break so I'm totally out of the loop!) Are they in the "Influences and Cultural References" section"? As a bit of background on that section, there was a little dispute over it since it comes dangerously close to original research. Following this, I am going to delete the word, "Influences," from the name of that section. Citing influences without citations would be absolutely original research. However, if the writing is just of observations -- factual observations -- that should be fine. I, personally, have not touched the section since I am now revising the "Plot" section. I'll tackle it once I finish that. ask123 (talk) 20:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Director Trademarks 

message: The article states that the video game was scheduled for release yesterday.  Did it come out?  And if so, this shouldn't go in the article, but is it any good?  :) ~--Resister 03:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reviews so far are quite positive, which is a bit of a surprise as I never expect too much out of videogame adaptations of anime. --Antrophica 06:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I own the videogame:  it's a very unique game, to say the least.  I don't feel like writing a review for it, though... however, you may use swords other than Jin's katana and Mugen's Typhoon Swell, though they have limited durability.  I believe they're all supposed to be more powerful than the origonal swords, in some way or another.  One weapon, "Silver Axe", allows you to collect money faster, for instance.  Another thing is, and this being the most unique one, you can buy vinyl records, which you can change during the game to alter what combos, attacks, and fightingstances you have.  You equip two of them at a time, and change between them any time during combat.  That's about as in depth as I feel like going into it, for now.  The story is designed so that it could easilly be a real episode (or several episodes). Melissia 11:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It's a videogame, so maybe it deserves its own article. I'd get down to writing one, if I weren't having problems with my PS2 at the moment. --Antrophica 14:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I own the game, but I'm not exactly sure if I want to make an article about it.  That paragraph above is probably the longest description I can immagine without giving spoilers, and I haven't actually completed the game, myself....Melissia 11:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: If we can't write enough about the game we'll just make it a section of this article. --Antrophica 14:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the videogame becomes extremely popular, then perhaps it does deserve it's own article. But, in typical instances, video game adaptations (or any adaptations of an original work for that matter) do not get their own articles. As with all adaptations, it's article should be included within the article on the original work, as stated in various per Wiki policies on the subject. Hope this helps! ask123 (talk) 20:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video Game 

message: Should we start considering making episode summaries? Cause I'm going to make a page so we can start working on them. --Makaio 04:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first 12 episodes now have complete summaries with no pictures, while some pictures have been added onto summaries 13-26 to see the effect. The effect looks good so we'll probably add pictures to the first 12 summaries. -- Makaio 22:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episodes 

message: WP:ANIME says:
"A listing of the main characters follows the plot summary, with basic character descriptions and voice actor credits (if applicable; see ) There is no need to create a separate voice actor section."  We surely do not need every single minor cast member listed for the english dub. If these are mentioned on the characters pages, it can be removed.  If they're not listed then can be added and then removed. --Kunzite 02:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  --Miss Ethereal 14:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Weak Agree.  I came to this discussion page to say that it's really distracting.  If someone (like me) is reading from top-to-bottom, the Cast page is useless.  It should be moved to the bottom or deleted, with an external link pointing to the list elsewhere on the Internet. –Gunslinger47 05:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete cast section 

message: Moving the censorship methods section to the episode page because it has to do with the episodes and it doesn't need to be mentioned but once. -- Makaio 07:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship methods 

message: Okay, I just removed a fairly large percentage of the article in one stroke, so I feel I should justify my actions. Suffice to say, I think the article was headed in the wrong direction as far as adhering to GA and FA standards. The article has no mention of critical or fan reception, influence, production, translation, or other sections normally found in GAs and FAs. I haven't found anything analagous to the "Visual metaphor" section in any other high-quality articles about television shows. We were approaching something like a section on themes, which is of course acceptable, but we weren't looking at the series as a whole, instead listing minor symbols as they appear in episodes. We might be on to something with the Fire/Water=Mugen/Jin thing, but even that seems more applicable to the character page.
I'd really like to help this article on a great series become a great article. I hope this initial step can lead us in that direction. El Cid 05:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major revision on October 2, 2006 

message: As an avid fan of the show, I was inspired when I saw this post, but discouraged that there wasn't much of a follow up to it.  I noticed that Samurai Champloo's entry is missing many of the elements found in other anime pages and likewise wanted "to help this article on a great series become a great article."  To that end I've cleaned it up a bit.   I've added a section on the style and setting and another on distribution and reception.  These were constructed using elements that were originally in, what seemed to me, an overly long introduction.  I've also added a few things.  I'm hoping to make this article a little more manageable and also a little broader in its depth.  SpiderMMB 19:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Follow up revisions 

message: I appologize for posting the comment here, but I do find it important for viewers of Germany who might be reading this discussion not to loose a good opportunity.
Interesting for those living in Germany:
Samurai Champloo is currently running on Thursdays around midnight (in other words, thursday through to friday).
TV Channel is "VOX", the actually primary adult-anime broadcaster (RTL2 shows animes for younger audience, for your information).
Next batch of episodes will be broadcasted on the 8th of March 2007.
Another offtopic remark.
LupinIII will be the next coming on Friday in the so-called DHCP-Nachtklub, featuring a batch of episodes starting from  Friday through Saturday. Jackpayback 13:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Off Topic) Broadcast over Free-TV Germany 

message: I am trying to actually write a book similiar to this but I need the basis of Mon in Samurai Champloo. Can anyone help? Vladimir Stalin 09:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is for discussions relating to the Wikipedia article Samurai Champloo only. Thanks. Cheers, ask123 02:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currency (Mon) 

message: There needs to be an update on who Fuu fahter actually was Moni(lilium) 17:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuu's father? 

message: Just spat out a 1st draft of a pretty substantial reworking of the intro. I think it's more informative (i.e. "meaty") than before. I also took care of the conflict over the word "fame" (see above). Now it's more specific and (hopefully) more encyclopedic.
One important note: I had to kinda guess the end date of the show's airing on Fuji TV, so if anyone has more specific info on that, please speak up! Cheers, ask123 21:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro Reworked 

message: Just added more detail to the plot section but I only got halfway. More to go... ask123 21:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Detail to the Plot Section 

message: Deleted the comparison to Kung Faux, since there are many cross-genre works of media out there. Simply being cross-genre does not warrant a comparison to Samurai Champloo. Furthermore, the pop music used in Kung Faux is mainstream 90s hip-hop by artists like Queen Latifah and RZA. Champloo uses mostly hip-hop/electronic music from lesser-known, hip-hop-inspired artists. The point is that their music styles are totally different. They are not very similar aside from their being in the "pop" genre and being either "hip-hop" or "hip-hop influenced." And since so many works' soundtracks fall into those categories, it is not that special. Kung Faux's music is more like Afro Samurai. Those two shows would warrant a comparison, particularly since they both share many soundtrack artists (unlike here). ask123 02:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Comparison to ''Kung Faux''