Talk:Kosovo/Intro changes proposal

message: :Kosovo (Albanian: Kosovë/Kosova, Serbian: Косово и Метохија/Kosovo i Metohija) is a region in southeast Europe. By the UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (adopted in 1999), Kosovo is placed under United Nations administration, though de-jure it is still defined as a part of the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, but runs independently of the latter. De-facto the province is run by its Provisional Institutions of Self-Government and the UN Interim Administrative Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK), based on the Constitutional Framework of Kosovo. Security in Kosovo is maintained by the NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) and Kosovo Police Service.
:Talks on the future status of Kosovo started in Vienna on February 20 2006, between the Kosovo institutions' negotiating team, and the government of Serbiahttp://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/kosovo-metohija/index.php?id=20797 Resolution of the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia on a Mandate for Political Talks on the Future Status of Kosovo and Metohija. The negotiations are mediated by the international community, and enforced by the Contact Group . The future of the province is set to be determined by the end of 2006, and indications from the Contact Group show that "the settlement will have to be acceptable to the people of Kosovo" the majority of which seek recognition of full independence for the province.
Comments by others:
#Oppose. There is no mention of Serbia. The text also engages in futurology and leading the witness, by a flawed syllogism in the last sentence. E  Asterion u talking to me? 18:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Written by: [[User:Ilir pz]]

message: :Kosovo (Albanian: Kosovë/Kosova, Serbian: Косово и Метохија/Kosovo i Metohija) is a region in southeast Europe. By the UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (adopted in 1999), Kosovo is in principle defined as an autonomous province within the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia but placed under United Nations administration; in practice the province is run independently of Belgrade by its Provisional Institutions of Self-Government and the UN Interim Administrative Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK). Security in Kosovo is maintained by the NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) and the Kosovo Police Service.
:Since the passage of Resolution 1244, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has been succeeded by an independent Republic of Serbia.  Talks on the future status of Kosovo started in Vienna on February 20 2006, between the Kosovo institutions' negotiating team, and the government of Serbiahttp://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/kosovo-metohija/index.php?id=20797 Resolution of the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia on a Mandate for Political Talks on the Future Status of Kosovo and Metohija. The future of the province is set to be determined by the end of 2006.
Comments by others:
#Oppose - The second paragraph is against the 1244 Resolution, because it does not cite any such amendments added to the resulution, but merely assumes that the succession is as such. The 1244 UN Security Council resolution is a law, and as such should be updated if any such succession takes place. Until then, assuming something else, that the resolution (nor any amendments to it) refer to, is a violation of the law with highest authority in Kosovo as of now. Furthermore, the version above does not comply with point 3 that Reinoutr suggested in order to reach the compromise: 1) It should state that Kosovo is administered by the UN, 2) it should state Kosovo is part of a larger union/country (either Serbia or FRY) and 3) it should state that Kosovo will most likely become indepedent in the near future. Reminder: the third point is what the media keep repeating all the time, and clearly the Security Council said that in its last statement (if you follow the last line of my version) Regards, ilir_pz 21:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Written by: [[User:The Tom]]

message: :Kosovo (Albanian: Kosovë/Kosova, Serbian: Косово и Метохија/Kosovo i Metohija) is an autonomous province in southern Serbia. Following the Kosovo War in 1999, Kosovo was placed under United Nations temporary administration (UN Security Council Resolution 1244). Although it legally remains a part of Serbia, it is in fact run independently of Belgrade by the UN Interim Administrative Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) and the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government. Security in Kosovo is maintained by the NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) and the Kosovo Police Service.
:Talks on the future status of Kosovo started in Vienna on February 20 2006, between the Kosovo institutions' negotiating team, and the government of Serbiahttp://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/kosovo-metohija/index.php?id=20797 Resolution of the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia on a Mandate for Political Talks on the Future Status of Kosovo and Metohija. The future of the province is set to be determined by the end of 2006.
Comments by others:
#Strong oppose The version mentions the word "autonomous" refering to Kosovo, and furthermore states that it is a province of Serbia, something not mentioned anywhere in the 1244 UNSC Resolution. It merely cites the Constitution of Serbia, which is not taken into consideration in Kosovo, which is administered by UNMIK which has the highest authority in Kosovo, and responds to the UN Security Council only. The third line also violates the 1244 UNSC Resolution, where FRY is mentioned, and not Serbia. The version above is a wording used by the Serbian government, and as such should be flagged because it is a purely Serbian government propagandistic version. Furthermore, the version above does not comply with point 3 that Reinoutr suggested in order to reach the compromise, to which the two users above agreed before submitting their versions: 1) It should state that Kosovo is administered by the UN, 2) it should state Kosovo is part of a larger union/country (either Serbia or FRY) and 3) it should state that Kosovo will most likely become indepedent in the near future. Reminder: the third point is what the media keep repeating all the time, and clearly the Security Council said that in its last statement (if you follow the last line of my version) Best regards, ilir_pz 21:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Written by: [[User:Osli73]] and [[User:Asterion]]

message: I would stick as closely as possible to the present intro.
 
:Kosovo (Albanian: Kosovë/Kosova, Serbian: Косово и Метохија/Kosovo i Metohija) is a province of the Republic of Serbia under United Nations administration. By the UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (adopted in 1999), Kosovo is in principle defined as an autonomous province within the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (now Serbia), but in practice it runs independently from the former. Kosovo is presently run by its Provisional Institutions of Self-Government and the UN Interim Administrative Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK), while the security is maintained by the NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) and Kosovo Police Service. Talks on the future status of Kosovo started in Vienna on February 20 2006, between the Kosovo institutions' negotiating team, and the government of Serbiahttp://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/kosovo-metohija/index.php?id=20797 Resolution of the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia on a Mandate for Political Talks on the Future Status of Kosovo and Metohija. The future of the province is set to be determined by the end of 2006.
Comments by others:
#Support: seems OK to me. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Written by: [[User:Electionworld]]

message: I'm hoping that we can, finally, agree on a common introduction. Since there seems to be not willingness to compromise and/or just endless proposals and adjustments, I suggest that we go ahead with a vote. Below I have put forward Asterion's and my version (with the autonomous taken out). 
:* I realize that some Kosovar Albanians do not like it for political reasons, however, I don't see that as a valid argument against it. 
:* The view proposed by Ilir that UNSCR 1244 does not mention Serbia is an interpretation not supported by any government in Europe nor by the EU or the UN. Also, the BBC and Encyclopedia Britannica refer to Kosovo as a province in Serbia.
:Kosovo (Albanian: Kosovë/Kosova, Serbian: Косово и Метохија/Kosovo i Metohija) is an province in southern Serbia. Following the Kosovo War in 1999, Kosovo was placed under United Nations temporary administration (UN Security Council Resolution 1244). Although it legally remains a part of Serbia, it is in fact run independently of Belgrade by the UN Interim Administrative Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) and the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government. Security in Kosovo is maintained by the NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) and the Kosovo Police Service.
:Talks on the future status of Kosovo started in Vienna on February 20 2006, between the Kosovo institutions' negotiating team, and the government of Serbiahttp://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/kosovo-metohija/index.php?id=20797 Resolution of the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia on a Mandate for Political Talks on the Future Status of Kosovo and Metohija. The future of the province is set to be determined by the end of 2006.
So, can we please have a decision or a vote on this otherwise we will have a neverending discussion?Osli73 08:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that version is good. You have my support Osli73. Litany 15:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's complete this and get on with the article