Talk:Sibe people

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* Schmitt, Kellie. "New Shanghai restaurant to serve Xibo minority food." CNN. 11 May 2010.
WhisperToMe (talk) 20:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Xibo food

message: Page 36
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Title	Handbook of Oriental Studies. Section 8 Uralic & Central Asian Studies, Manchu Grammar
Volume 7 of Handbook of Oriental Studies
Volume 7 of Handbook of Oriental Studies. Section 8 Uralic and Central Asian Studies
Volume 7 of Handbook of oriental studies : Sect. 8, Central Asia / Handbuch der Orientalistik / 8
Volume 7 of Handbuch der Orientalistik. Achte Abteilung, Handbook of Uralic studies
Volume 7 of Handbuch der Orientalistik: Achte Abteilung, Central Asia
Handbuch der Orientalistik: Zentralasien
Editor	Liliya M. Gorelova
Publisher	Brill Academic Pub, 2002
Original from	the University of Virginia
Digitized	Oct 17, 2007
, 9789004123076
Length	600 pages
Subjects	History › Europe › General
04:18, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kangxi's extermination of the Manchu Hoifan (Hoifa) and Ula tribes after they rebelled against the Qing 

message: Gorelova 2002, p. 37.
Page 37
http://books.google.com/books?id=KHwPAAAAYAAJ&q=Valley+of+Xinjiang+to+colonize+Jungaria,+where+their+descendants+still+live+today.+It+is+as+yet+unclear+why+the+Sibes+were+chosen+for+this+purpose+unless+it+was+their+opposition+to+the+ruling+Manchu+Dynasty+(Lebedeva+%26+Gorelova,+1994:10-1).+In+the+document+number+seven+of+the+above-mentioned+collection+there+is+information+about+disor%C2%AD+der+among+the+Sibes.+It+is+also+mentioned+that+the+Qiqihar+Sibe+companies’+commanders+and+their+officers+were+removed+from+their+posts.+During+their+transfer+from+Mukden+to+the+Ili+Valley,+the+Sibes+were+convoyed+by+Manchu+regular+forces+of+eight+hundred+officers+and+men.+All+these+facts+corroborate+the+compulsory+nature+of+the+Sibe’s+transfer+to+Xinjiang+(SU).&dq=Valley+of+Xinjiang+to+colonize+Jungaria,+where+their+descendants+still+live+today.+It+is+as+yet+unclear+why+the+Sibes+were+chosen+for+this+purpose+unless+it+was+their+opposition+to+the+ruling+Manchu+Dynasty+(Lebedeva+%26+Gorelova,+1994:10-1).+In+the+document+number+seven+of+the+above-mentioned+collection+there+is+information+about+disor%C2%AD+der+among+the+Sibes.+It+is+also+mentioned+that+the+Qiqihar+Sibe+companies’+commanders+and+their+officers+were+removed+from+their+posts.+During+their+transfer+from+Mukden+to+the+Ili+Valley,+the+Sibes+were+convoyed+by+Manchu+regular+forces+of+eight+hundred+officers+and+men.+All+these+facts+corroborate+the+compulsory+nature+of+the+Sibe’s+transfer+to+Xinjiang+(SU).&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Rl9oU_ebHe3QsQSPw4GADQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=KHwPAAAAYAAJ&q=It+is+as+yet+unclear+why+the+Sibes+were+chosen+for+this+purpose+unless+it+was+their+opposition+to+the+ruling+Manchu+Dynasty+(Lebedeva+%26+Gorelova,+1994:10-1).+In+the+document+...+During+their+transfer+from+Mukden+to+the+Hi+Valley,+the+Sibes+were+convoyed+by+Manchu+regular+forces+of+eight+hundred+officers+and+men.+All+these+facts+corroborate+the+compulsory+nature+of+the+Sibe's+transfer+to+Xinjiang+(+SU).&dq=It+is+as+yet+unclear+why+the+Sibes+were+chosen+for+this+purpose+unless+it+was+their+opposition+to+the+ruling+Manchu+Dynasty+(Lebedeva+%26+Gorelova,+1994:10-1).+In+the+document+...+During+their+transfer+from+Mukden+to+the+Hi+Valley,+the+Sibes+were+convoyed+by+Manchu+regular+forces+of+eight+hundred+officers+and+men.+All+these+facts+corroborate+the+compulsory+nature+of+the+Sibe's+transfer+to+Xinjiang+(+SU).&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I2RpU-bHLIGmyQG4yIC4Cw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=KHwPAAAAYAAJ&q=Even+at+the+end+of+the+ninteenth+century+Xinjiang+was+a+place+where+bannermen+were+sent+for+their+faults,+a+place+for+...+of+the+authorities,+%22they+would+take+his+name+off+the+Bannerman+register+and+send+him+to+Xinjiang+or+Yunnan%22+(Lao+She,++...&dq=Even+at+the+end+of+the+ninteenth+century+Xinjiang+was+a+place+where+bannermen+were+sent+for+their+faults,+a+place+for+...+of+the+authorities,+%22they+would+take+his+name+off+the+Bannerman+register+and+send+him+to+Xinjiang+or+Yunnan%22+(Lao+She,++...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qWBoU4OMO8rLsASokoFY&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=KHwPAAAAYAAJ&q=In+Xinjiang+the+Sibes+were+engaged+only+in+agriculture.+They+sowed+wheat,+barley+and+millet,+cultivated+onions,+garlic,+aubergine,+cucumbers,+and+other+vegetables+and+grew+corn,+tobacco-plant+and+poppy+as+well.+As+food+they+used+farm+produce,+fish,+and+very+rarely+meat.+Their+clothes+did+not+differ+from+those+of+the+Chinese.&dq=In+Xinjiang+the+Sibes+were+engaged+only+in+agriculture.+They+sowed+wheat,+barley+and+millet,+cultivated+onions,+garlic,+aubergine,+cucumbers,+and+other+vegetables+and+grew+corn,+tobacco-plant+and+poppy+as+well.+As+food+they+used+farm+produce,+fish,+and+very+rarely+meat.+Their+clothes+did+not+differ+from+those+of+the+Chinese.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F2NpU77rE6PkyQHip4CIAw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
Handbook of Oriental Studies. Section 8 Uralic & Central Asian Studies, Manchu Grammar
Volume 7 of Handbook of Oriental Studies
Volume 7 of Handbook of Oriental Studies. Section 8 Uralic and Central Asian Studies
Volume 7 of Handbook of oriental studies : Sect. 8, Central Asia / Handbuch der Orientalistik / 8
Volume 7 of Handbuch der Orientalistik. Achte Abteilung, Handbook of Uralic studies
Volume 7 of Handbuch der Orientalistik: Achte Abteilung, Central Asia
Handbuch der Orientalistik: Zentralasien
Editor	Liliya M. Gorelova
Publisher	Brill Academic Pub, 2002
Original from	the University of Virginia
Digitized	Oct 17, 2007
, 9789004123076
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Rajmaan (talk) 00:02, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forced deporation to Xinjiang by the Qing 

message: Aisin Gioro Y chomosome DNA was found in "Xibe, Outer Mongolians, Inner Mongolians, Ewenki, Oroqen, Manchu, and Hezhe" males and number around 1 million people. Their ancestor was Nurhaci's grandfather Giocangga, whose descendants made up the Qing dynasty nobility. But the Y chromosome was not found in the general Han Chinese population.
The Y chromosome cluster is specifically C3c, part of the General Haplogroup C-M217, which Genghis Khan's lineage is a part of, although the Manchu Aisin Gioro Y chromosome is part of a different cluster than Genghis Khan's
The reason it spread among these specific minority groups, but not among the Han Chinese population, is because the Qing Manchu nobility was concentrated specifically in the ethnically Manchu Eight Banners and not in the Mongolian and Han Eight Banners, and the specific ethnic groups which made up the Manchu Eight banners were "Manchu, Mongolian, Daur, Oroqen, Ewenki, Xibe".
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1285168/
http://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(07)63394-1.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707633941
http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/23
Rajmaan (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qing dynasty Aisin Gioro Y chromosome DNA found in Xibe 

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http://books.google.com/books?id=0k4EAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA38-IA2#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=GKYVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA37#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=GKYVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA38#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 04:27, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images