Talk:Nyx

message: ::shouldn't [Ponos] be poine?
Close and probably cognate, but a different word.  Bacchiad
The section discussing Nyx as portrayed in Homer includes a statement which, while true on the surface, is greatly misleading. Generally speaking, Zeus's power is never conceived of as absolute. Using the same source, Zeus's inability to alter the will of the Fates is promoted by numerous deities and accepted by Zeus himself (however reluctantly); Zeus's respect for the strength of his own brother, Poseidon, is also acknowledged when the two elementals nearly come to blows, before Poseidon reluctantly accepts his (only slightly) subserviant role before Zeus). There are other places in myth where Zeus is also limited in his abilities or the conception of his abilities are limited by those believing in him (this is especially evident in the story of Thetis, whom Zeus feared to have a child by because of his concerns that he would be overthrown (as was prophesied in various accounts) by the offspring born of such a union which was destined (again, according to prophecy) to be stronger than the father. Consequently, I am removing the "offending" quote.
i'm her sons and i don't want you to show my mother's picture but i need you to show my picture in my father's page. his name is Erebus but i am Geras. Supagornmasang (talk) 17:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: My edit concerning Nyx in Persona 3 was replaced, removing most relevant information about her appearance. Can it be reverted, or rewritten to include a more complete summary? Gr3yfxx (talk) 08:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Homages 

message: Since it doesn't make much sense for the main  "Nyx" article to lead to this page, I've moved all the content of this page to that article.  Most things named "Nyx" are named after this goddess, and where they are not, readers can refer to the NYX disambiguation page.  Godheval (talk) 16:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: comments above this point were from the Nyx (mythology) article that was cut-and-pasted to Nyx on August 6, 2008.  I have merged their histories. Cool Hand Luke 15:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: Since almost everything named "Nyx" on this disambig page was named for the Greek goddess/concept, a search for "Nyx" should lead to her page, with a link to a disambig page.  "NYX" in all caps will still lead to the disambig page. Godheval (talk) 01:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Upon further consideration, it doesn't make sense for "Nyx" to lead straight to Nyx (mythology), when it can be the article in itself - for the reasons above. Godheval (talk) 16:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mythological Nyx and Disambiguation 

message: Someone should probably fix this article, given that the introduction of it is a promotion of someone's crappy book.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.173.83 (talk) 23:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: In this page, Thanatos is listed under Nyx's sons by parthenogenesis. However, on Thanatos's page, his father is said to be Erebus. Also on Thanatos's page is a picture of "Thanatos with his half-brother Hypnos (who is also listed as a son of Nyx by parthenogenesis). Can anyone resolve this issue?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.151.70.200 (talk) 17:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parentage of Thanatos 

message: This article is mediocre and it needs some fixes. I would like to point out a few things.
1. "Nyx stood at or near the beginning of creation, and was the mother of personified gods such as Hypnos (sleep) and Thánatos (death)."
If no source is available, I would remove this sentence. Hypnos and Thanatos are listed later on with a source.
2. "This mirrors the portrayal of Ratri (night) in the Rigveda, where she works in close cooperation but also tension with her sister Ushas (dawn)."
Is this a comment? If this has to do with Indian mythology, then let's spell it out. I don't see the connection otherwise.
3. "In other texts[citation needed] she may be the mother of Charon (with Erebus), and Phthonus "envy" (with Dionysus?)."
This is garbage. There is no source. I would remove it.
4. "There is also rumor that Nyx gave birth to her reincarnation, a son whose name would also be Nyx. But she gave birth to twins, having a daughter as well, who was named Hemera, "Day". The text implied that Hemera was not the sister of Aether, but the sister of Nyx's reincarnation."
Are we going by rumors? Does it matter what the neighbor says about mythology now? If no sources are available, the above is useless. 
5. The list of Nyx's children is not very appropriate because it does not list the children by source (Hesiod and others). It's like a laundry list. I think children should be split according each source.
ICE77 (talk) 04:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why, but this article attracts a steady stream of half-infomed contributors and outright vandals, so I'm not surprised by its poor state. I'm only vaguely familiar with the subject, enough to revert the most obvious nonsense. Obviously, anyone who can improve the article is most welcome. A formal/technical note: the hatnote you repositioned ought to be at the article's top. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Several comments are needed 

message: Reverting as I'm skeptical of the assertion that one account is "original"; this replaces a passage that at least is sourced (to Hesiod). Also, what does it mean that "Chaos took place"? —Tamfang (talk) 19:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Her birth from Chaos took place, ya dope. —Tamfang (talk) 05:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Your skepticism seems warranted to me, as does your revert. "Original" is always a poor word to use with reference to mythology, and that quote is reflective of an Orphic cosmogony: there is already a section (unsourced) covering Orphica.  davidiad.: 19:44, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original myth 

message: Why is she called a goddess? She was a deity, yes, but she wasn't classified as a "god". theoi.com even calls her and her kin "Protogenoi". I mean, the Titans weren't called gods either, and they're even younger than the Protogenoi. 91.177.145.108 (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This touches on a wider issue which is probably better discussed at Talk:Greek primordial deities. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species 

message: Why is she Morpheus listed under Nyx's sons? Isn't he the son of Hypnos? Ovid mention at leaste three sons of hypnos: Morpheus, Phobetor and Phantasos.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.203.115.43 (talk) 03:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morpheus 

message: Over a series of edits on 8 September, the section "Children" was removed. Unless it was blatantly wrong, there's no reason to remove it and it should be restored to its state in  from 29 July by User:Paul August. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:49, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure we really need such a section. The children mentioned by Hesiod (with cites) are already listed. These are the "main" ones. The Orphic tradition is also touched on.  But if we do add back that section it needs to be carefully sourced. Paul August ☎ 11:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I only thought that the disappearance of such a long-standing section ought to be well considered. If you think it's problematic and unnecessary, I defer to your expertise. All the best, -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:14, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's my current thinking anyway ;-)  One of the problems, as I see it, in a list like that, is the lumping together of — and thus confusing — different traditions.  Paul August ☎ 14:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, Paul. I'm all for simplification, but not if it misrepresents the topic. I just noticed your tagging of the assertion that Phanes is a "child" of Nyx; which I can't confirm or deny, but the language - "child", "parent" or what have you - may not be appropriate to topic; almost certainly not for Nyx/Phanes. We seem to be dealing with some dreadfully difficult Orphic stuff ; Nyx and the world-egg (or Nyx as the world-egg), from which Phanes (or Eros) emerges as first progenitor, and then comes a whole sheaf of cosmic destructions and recreations - the following is the simplest presentation I've come across; . (Nyx is mentioned only once - more results with "Night" and "Semele"). Haploidavey (talk) 21:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nyx being the "mother" of Phanes could be by way of Phanes being identified with Eros. In any case, I was just looking at that section in passing — it needs work. Paul August ☎ 23:15, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children lost 

message: Maniae "...are presumed to be daughters of Nyx.", not just on Wikipedia. GreekMythology.com Maniae.  ~ JasonCarswell (talk) 05:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing: Maniae 

message: The image is way to sexual and  needs to be censored  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8E80:1020:A8FC:E3CC:BBD0:9CBB (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The image could be considered by many to be offensive. Mobius Anticuus  —Preceding undated comment added 19:02, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: They'll get over it. Wikipedia is not censored and unless someone can find a better image I think it's there to stay. Psychotic Spartan   04:38, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image censor  

message: Day is supposed to be masculine, as historically been so for at least two Times (rupture of Sky from Earth)? Day survives, but mankind dies, does Day give birth to new mankind after rupture of Sky from Earth, therefore should Day be feminine? 198.71.29.39 (talk) 18:45, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Day and Sky 

message: — Assignment last updated by Berserkz (talk) 00:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: HUM 202 - Introduction to Mythology

message: Is the main image actually of the goddess Nyx or is it unrelated to her? I searched the painting and I could not find any evidence that the painting is connected to Nyx. 73.73.127.102 (talk) 05:31, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. I suspect it's just a generalized personification of night, rather than specifically Nyx. In any case there are many examples of ancient Greek pottery which depict Nyx, any of these would be much better here. Paul August ☎ 15:33, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Anyone who wants to change it, feel free to do so. – Michael Aurel (talk) 03:59, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Bougeareau painting meant to show the mythological god Nyx? 

message: Just removed one whose content is aimed at juveniles. The last three (as timestamp in this post) should go, imho. No clear authorship, scholarly standing or named referals. As Far as I can tell, all three deal with the topic at "in universe" level. Haploidavey (talk) 13:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, removed. This page has quite a way to go in terms of sourcing. – Michael Aurel (talk) 13:49, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Paul August ☎ 13:53, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: (and others): A useful source, especially with respect to how Nyx is portrayed in Orphic literature, might be Athanassakis and Wolkow's  Orphic hymn 3 To Night  (pp. 6–7), and their notes on that hymn (pp. 76–78). Paul August ☎ 12:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I've read Athanassakis and Wolkow's notes on the hymn, and thought they were a quite good summary of the topic. As to the hymn itself, I am thinking it would probably best be addressed in a "Sources" section (I've also managed to find little beyond Meisner, p. 206 which mentions her role there). Currently, I think that one more paragraph in the "Mythology" section is warranted, discussing her role prophesying to Zeus, her role as "nurse of the gods", and her cave. Then the discussion of the more complex issues, such as Hermias' "Three Nights", could be reserved for the "Sources" section. Comments and feedback are of course always appreciated as I go. – Michael Aurel (talk) 13:22, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: My motivation for pointing out Athanassakis and Wolkow, was this edit. But I'm glad to see you've read Athanassakis and Wolkow; and Meisner (along with West of course) is an excellent source for all things Orphic. So, as far as I can see, you seem to be well armed with all the right arrows in your quiver ;-) Paul August ☎ 13:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes, that makes sense. – Michael Aurel (talk) 14:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: A useful source

message: Betegh says the following:
: West, on the other hand, claims that we find the following generations of the same genealogy, ascribed to ‘descendants of gods’ in Plato’s Timaeus 40e:
:: From Ge and Ouranos the children born were Okeanos and Tethys; from these, Phorkys and Kronos and Rhea and all of the brood; from Kronos and Rhea, Zeus and Hera and all their brothers and sisters we hear tell of; and again from these more children.
: West does not consider it a difficulty that Eudemus tells us only that, in the version he knows, Night was the first deity, while there is absolutely no mention of Night in Timaeus’ account. Plato had to leave out Night, West argues, for in Timaeus’ account all gods are engendered by the Demiurge and we have just learnt, on the other hand, that night is something merely produced by the earth’s shadow (40c) and is a unit of time. [He then continues on with some further discussion, mostly his own evaluation of West's theory.]
I should add that there are quite a few missing cites in that section (or cites which could be added), which hopefully I will get around to adding soon enough. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this. I'm sure you will get to any missing cites in good time. Don't mean to rush you. The missing West cite stood out though. Paul August ☎ 11:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course. – Michael Aurel (talk) 12:01, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Betegh