Talk:Cara Cunningham/Archive 5

message: *Admin: Please change the official myspace page link in the External Links section to myspace.com/chriscrocker to match the same found in the article's infobox. -- ALLSTARecho 17:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, calm down. The previous discussion was removed because the link in the infobox was changed on December 15 to myspace.com/CHRISCROCKER. The admin just missed it in the external links section. -- ALLSTARecho 16:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The requested edit has been made. Happy editing, Snowolf How can I help? 11:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: INCORRECT MYSPACE

message: Bad-boy Canadian poet R. W. Watkins has dedicated a "love poem" to Crocker, entitled "I Am Tickled (Pink): Love Poem for Chris Crocker".   It's been viewable online at the Outsider Writers website now for 3 or 4 months.   Shouldn't some mention be made of this, or a link to the poem be inserted at the bottom of the page?   It's interesting because Watkins is apparently a heterosexual.   142.162.64.103 (talk) 21:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And Watkins is who when he's having his tea and crumpets? Never heard of the guy. -- ALLSTARecho 21:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Concur, to a point, R. W. Watkins doesn't yet seem to blip on the radar but we can certainly archive this for possible future use. Benjiboi 22:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poem (by R. W. Watkins) Dedicated to Him 

message: From all of the videos included, no one seems to have hit on his controversial September 11 video Chris Crocker 9-11: The Word.  It's fairly brief but he gets to the point by saying, and I quote: "...and I just feel I can't think about 9/11 at a time like this.  I can't think of 9/11 when Britney Spears is going through what she's going through.  Britney is a national treasure.  Who cares about 9/11?"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.151.145 (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already been discussed like, 2 months ago. Read the archives which you can find at the top of this page. -- ALLSTARecho 06:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

text: It has been dealt with on these talk pages a few times and apparently someone or several people keep wanting to build it into an issue so repost the removed video to YouTube. So we don't have any reliable sources and the entire (very short) video seems to be non-notable and used only for the purpose to discredit Crocker. Benjiboi 07:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Chris Crocker's 9/11 Video 

message: * Britney Spears for possible inclusion Benjiboi 23:00, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: done. Benjiboi 16:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Britney Spears ref as [[Gay icon]] 

message: Seems silly having this page in :Category:Britney Spears. Shouldn't be in the category for the same reason The Mickey Mouse Club and other more notable fans of her aren't in it.--Seriousspender (talk) 13:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. Chris became famous because of Britney Spears. Britney Spears didn't become famous because of the Mickey Mouse Club, she became famous because of her music long after MMC. -- ALLSTARecho 17:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm no category expert I think it could go either way, certainly crocker vaulted into international fame in direct relation to his video about her. Maybe get clarification from category talk. Benjiboi 00:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

text: OK, now I feel it should be a keep. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and years from now someone looking up tidbit about spears, for instance - I didn't know she was in a girl group, would be interested to know of this chapter of her fame that a fan actually reacted in such a way as to warrant international fame (and ridicule). I say keep definitely, categories help connect information where Spears' article would likely avoid this connection. Benjiboi 13:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Britney Spears removal yes or no 

message: I am not convinced http://www.omgblog.com/2007/09/omg_hes_naked_chris_crocker.php is a reliable source. Why?
#There's no official company copyright notice
#No policies such as privacy, terms of use etc
#It's flooded with advertisements, including very deceptive ones
#It's flooded with hundreds of links to non-related blogs
#It's supposedly 'best viewed with firefox' but my layout is all messed up
#There's no logos for the site at all
#"Disclaimer: What you read here may or may not be true."
The entire webpage is a corrupt mess. I think it also passes as Wikipedia:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided.--Seriousspender (talk) 14:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As has been previously mentioned, and is pointed out in the article text, this is a blog that uncovered what seemed to be a scandal. We've reported it correctly  and stated it is, in fact, a blog. Much as a person is considered an expert on themselves - a blog would be an expert it itself as well. Benjiboi 15:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omgblog.com reliable? 

message: #I'd like to add an interwiki link to Portuguese: :pt:Chris Crocker--Pedro Aguiar (talk) 23:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (Moved this into it's own section). Admin please add :pt:Chris Crocker interwiki link. Benjiboi 03:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

text: added. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  editprotected request re:interwiki  

message: Can just the LEAD be cleaned up abit per wp:mosbio? TIA, --Tom 16:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Benjiboi 18:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this subject's sexuality fom the LEAD section. Is this person notable for their sexuality or internet activities or both? If this person's sexuality is the reason for thier notabilty, then maybe this can be fleshed out AFTER the lead sentence? Anyways, --Tom 18:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding was that you were trying to ensure American was added to the lede and i did that. I am opposed to your removing his sexuality and I will re-add it. His entire body of work is centered on his sexuality which has made him ill-fitting in his homophobic small town thus his use of vlogging to share his life and rant against that same homophobia. Benjiboi 20:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Benjiboi, his sexuality should be discussed in the article if its relevant, which you have pointed out it is, just not in the LEAD sentence unless it is WHY he is notable which is debatable. Again, wp:mosbio is a very good guideline so bios have some sort of standardization. Please discuss the LEAD sentence here and try to reach consensus, thanks, --Tom 21:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, no need to edit war and I think I have made every change you've proposed except eliminating his sexuality, which the article explains is central to his work. wp:mosbio, that you refer, focuses on nationality and other issues that had been addressed and I found WP:LEDE to be more helpful including "The first sentence in the lead section should be a concise definition of the topic unless that definition is implied by the title (such as 'History of …' and similar titles)." I believe we're pretty close to that as the first sentence, to me, seems bland but concise and accurate. Benjiboi 21:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead section

message: the following references have been deleted, probably because everyones lost interest in this person:
1. ref 4 http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ent/5155481.html
: Benjiboi 02:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Benjiboi 02:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Benjiboi 03:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Benjiboi 03:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Benjiboi 03:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: (ref noted as such) Benjiboi 03:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks for your editorial but that's not how wikipedia works. If you'll notice when those were added it gives the date the content was there. Utilizing internet archives we can see that material as it existed if the content has not simply been moved elsewhere on the same site (and thus the link updated). If the admin wants to do that research go for it otherwise it can be added to the todo list next time the article is unprotected. Benjiboi 15:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you utilize these internet archives and find replacement links then.--Seriousspender (talk) 16:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: . if someone takes the time to find working archive links, put back the editprotected request and they will be replaced. —Random832 16:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi, again you're misunderstanding how this encyclopedia works. The citations should be updated but the reference is fine as anyone can use what is called "the wayback machine" and see what a particular website looked like on a particular date. It would be better to find whatevr the new link is, if it exists, or if not we switch the link to pull up the wayback machine's search so the reader can see what the reference states. Thank you for looking into those, we certainly do want to update them. Benjiboi 16:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Interesting. Your contribution should indeed be noted by all. By the way, per WP:REF - "When a link in the References section or Notes section "goes dead", it should be repaired or replaced if possible, but not deleted." Benjiboi 04:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead references 

message: Your tube becomes ‘YouTube’ by LISA YAMADA; Pepperdine University Graphic. Possible source. Benjiboi 12:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Only passing mention unless we need something on YouTube itself. Benjiboi 02:34, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your tube becomes ‘YouTube’ article 

message: Obama Girl, Britney boy top YouTube videos By Yinka Adegoke, Reuters, Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:20am EST.
 Benjiboi 12:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ref added. Benjiboi 02:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youtube releases top vids of 2007 info 

message: Chris Cocker's (sic) video is listed at #1 in Wired magazine's The Year in Online Video 2007 Jason McHuff (talk) 22:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ref added. Benjiboi 03:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wired's #1 online video of 2007