Talk:Rocco Perri

message: I've removed the category :Category:Gangsters which is a redirect to :Category:Mobsters. As the article is already listed under Category:Canadian mobsters, the Category:Mobsters is not nessessary. MadMax 16:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category removal

message: Good afternoon, @User:Vaselineeeeeeee. I know that you keep track of articles about the mob and we have collaborated on improving a couple of them. Note that there has been some new information published since a major update was done on this article. I have made the updates. Cheers, Peter K Burian (talk) 22:24, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated the article 

message: I work on editing a lot of articles and based on my experience, much of this from the lead should be in the body of the article.
AND perhaps we should have a section about his Personal Life, separate from his business life. 
Your thoughts about this @User:Vaselineeeeeeee?
   Perri was born in the Italian town of Platì in Calabria, and immigrated to the United States, and later to Canada in 1908. In the early 1910s, Perri started work in construction and in a bakery. Perri and his wife began a business in bootlegging in 1916, when Ontario restricted the sale of alcohol. Starkman dealt mainly with the finances of the business. He began a career exporting liquor from distilleries, such as Gooderham and Worts, to the United States, and became known as "The King of the Bootleggers".[2] Perri was charged with perjury after a Royal Commission testimony, and served five months in prison. In 1930, Starkman was ambushed in her garage and killed; no one was charged with her murder. In 1940, Perri was arrested and sent to internment at Camp Petawawa as part of the Italian Canadian internment; he was released three years later. Perri disappeared in Hamilton on April 23, 1944, when he went for a walk to clear his head; his body was never found.
Peter K Burian (talk) 22:38, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's fine in the lead. It summarizes the his life and the article. Breaking up the personal and career life is fine as long as it does not break the chronology too much. Also, can you find anything on when/whether Perri was ever declared dead in absentia? I've tried but could never find anything definitive. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 03:32, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Never declared dead...I did the research and updated the article: 
   A Last Will and Testament from 1930 purporting to be to be that of Rocco Perri came to light in 1998 but there is serious doubt that Perri was ever declared dead. A CBC News report in 2012 stated that "there’s no death certificate out there for Rocco Perri".[25] The group attempting to access the mobster's estate said in 2018 that there was no Social Insurance Number or death certificate and that the Canada Revenue Agency had transferred the funds from Perri's estate to Italy in 2008.[26]
Peter K Burian (talk) 14:01, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

text:  Interesting - thanks for that. Could you find anything on whether Perri and Starkman were ever actually married or was it just always a common law realtionship. Would be nice to add a year or clarify what spouse means in the infobox. Also, on the lead, you could break it into paragraphs if you want and add to it if you think there are parts of the summary that are now missing with your added content - just make it brief as it is a lead - see WP:LEAD. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 14:04, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @User:Vaselineeeeeeee  Yes, I did confirm common-law aspect with Starkman, as you have seen. AND his common-law relationship later, with Annie Newman.  Rocco began living in 1933 with another strong woman, Annie Newman, who ... http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/starkman_besha_15E.html Peter K Burian (talk) 14:47, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should ALL of this be in the lead section?? 

message: I checked photos online
Here is one, showing the Perri deleted: http://historicalhamilton.com/type/cemetery/ohev-zedeck-cemetery/p-2519-bessie-starkman-perri-tomb-close-up.html
Here is one in a video, of the top section too, showing Toben Starkman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iX8OYo2Y00 But that does not look like it was added. It was probably always there. Articles that I have read mention only one modification, the removal of the name Perri.
But whether that is correct or not, I don't know. Peter K Burian (talk) 16:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I see - missed the inscription below the Hebrew - rvd. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 17:08, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bessie's tomb stone? Was something added?