Talk:Arctic Cordillera

message: There is a stub article called Innuitian Mountains. Are the Innuitians the principal part of the Arctic Cordillera or not? Do these terms overlap?
There is also a physiographic region or province called (I think) the Innuitian Region. This has no wikipedia article. Should it? What are the layers of distinction here?
BeeTea 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Innuitian Mountains 

message: I have assessed this as a Start Class, as it treats some areas of the topic sufficiently, but does not discuss others (such as discovery, naming, exploration history etc.) I have assessed this as low importance, as I do not feel that many readers would be familiar with the topic of the article. Cheers, CP 23:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 

message: Perhaps a minor point, but I suggest changing the order of the altitudes in the article from "feet (metres)" to "metres (feet)". I remember it being mentioned in other articles that the methods of calcuation as used by the nation in question should be shown first. Canada uses metres, not feet. --Bentonia School 17:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense. However, the infobox uses feet. Black Tusk 05:23, 02 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metres to feet. 

message: I made and added the map. I am uncertain if it is perfect, and am happy to adjust it based on feedback.
Matt (talk) 09:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: I'm not entirely comfortable with our claim that the Arctic Cordillera is "one of Canada's two major mountain systems, the other being the Rocky Mountains of Western Canada." The Coast Mountains are much higher than the Arctic Cordillera (indeed, they have Canada's highest mountain) and their length is comparable to tthat of the Arctic Cordillera. It's true that they lie close enough to the Rockies that many Easterners assume they're part of the same range, but they're generally considered a distinct mountain system.
I also think we probably can't claim that the Arctic Cordillera contains "Some of Canada's highest but least known peaks"--in ordinary English that construction would imply that it contains peaks that are BOTH among Canada's highest AND among Canada's least known. Little-known the Arctic peaks may be, but they're not really among the highest in the country. Barbeau Peak is the only Arctic peak among Canada's 100 highest, and it comes in at #87 on that list. (The list was generated using a stringent 500-meter prominence criterion; if it had been less stingent even more peaks in the Rockies and the Coast Mountains would have been included, bumping Barbeau off the list entirely.)
65.213.77.129 (talk) 20:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Part of the problem is the sloppy geographic perspective found in the East, and abroad, that the Canadian Cordillera/Western Cordillera/Pacific Cordillera is ALL "Rocky Mountains"; there is a misconception that the Selwyn Mountains and Mackenzie Mountains and also the [[Columbia Mountains are part of the Rockies, which they're not, even when people are aware of the distinction re the Coast Mountains.  I find this is common in various academic fields as well, be it history or in ecology/bioscience - even in geology.  Whatever that source is from can be discounted as a "bad source".  The relevant article re the combined Rockies/Coast/Selwyns etc mountain ranges btw is now Western Cordillera (North America) which please note is not a range but a mountain system (actually a grouping of four systems); the title was necessary to avoid CanPOV and to reflect US naming realities where of course the term "Canadian Cordillera" is irrelevant.Skookum1 (talk) 15:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to note that I changed the Selwyns in the parag above frmo "Range" to "Mountains", as I had been misled by the existence of a bluelink for the former; I just made the Selwyn Mountains article, which was a glaring hole in the country's geography (being one of the larger mountain ranges overall, if among hte least known); similarly the Mackenzie Mountains article currently confuses the Selwyns and Mackenzies as if part of a "Mackenzie Ranges", which bivouac uses/coined but which also seems to occur in geological/ecoloigcal literature irrespective of proper official toponymy, as is also the case with the use of "Selwyn Range" for the range in the Yukon vs the one in the Rockies....Skookum1 (talk) 15:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

text: So I take it you'd be OK with our changing the "Rocky Mountains" here to "Western Cordillera (North America)"? It's a less familiar terminology, but more accurate. 65.213.77.129 (talk) 17:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not, because the Rocky Mountains are not all of the Western Cordillera, only part of it.  And terrain systems and ecozones are two different concepts/objects.  Don't compare apples and oranges.Skookum1 (talk) 17:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confused. A cordillera is a mountain system, no? The Arctic Cordillera is a mountain system. The Western Cordillera of North America is a mountain system. I'm not particularly interested in ecozones, as far as this article is concerned. I'm troubled by the claim that the Arctic Cordillera is "one of Canada's two major mountain systems, the other being the Rocky Mountains of Western Canada," because that wording seems (to me at least) to be using "Rocky Mountains" in its sloppy, inaccurate sense of "every mountain west of Calgary." Here's my position: If there are just two major mountain systems in Canada, and if one of them is the Arctic Cordilerra, then we have to call the other one the Western Cordillera, not the "Rocky Mountains" as we do now. If we say that there are three or more major mountain systems in Canada, then we shouldn't call the Arctic Cordillera one of "the two major mountain systems," because it's less "major" in most respects than the Coast Mountains. Can you try explaining your position on the matter again? 65.213.77.129 (talk) 20:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the article uses "Rocky Mountains" in a very sloppy sense, but I was keeping off doing too much editing here until I or someone could have the time to split the ecozone material off.  Mountain systems may have mountain systems within them; Canadian and American definitions/labels differ, but the Rocky Mountains are part of the Eastern System of the Western Cordillera/Canadian Cordillera.  The Interior Mountains (incl. the Stikine Plateau) and the Interior Plateau etc are part of the Interior System (called the Intermontane Plateaus in the US system, which simply uses "Rocky Mountains" for the equivalent of the Eastern System), while the Cascade Mountains and Coast Mountains are the Western System; the Insular Mountains and the Coastal Trough are part of ..... I'm not sure, the Insular System maybe, I'd have to look at Holland again (Landforms of British Columbia).  "Rocky Mountains" is often used by people from the great frozen wastes beyond to include all of the Western Cordillera, including the Coast Mountains that overlook Vancouver, which is just plain wrong (but repeated in some academic works, of all places that should know better).  there are no articles yet for Western System, Interior System, Eastern System yet, maybe I should finally get to it (the Eastern System includes the Selwyns/Mackenzies and Brooks Ranges...).Skookum1 (talk) 20:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Then change Rocky Mountains to Western Cordillera. It's not that hard. Black Tusk (talk) 21:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  puffery 

message: Kinda got a problem with this:
:system, running along the northeastern shore of North America
I know that "North America" can be taken even to include Greenland and the other offshore islands, but that's not the usual sense of it, especilaly when the word "shore".  The only part of North America as such that's involved is northern Labrador...not sure how else to reword that....and it's only one of this article's various issues; just struck me on a glance tonight when placing the fact template on "Arctic Rockies".Skookum1 (talk) 04:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just reworded that paragraph and other parts of the introduction. Black Tusk (talk) 06:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: wording in lede

message: I just took this phrase out of Adam Range and Precipitous Mountains:
: which is the only major mountain system in Canada east of the Rocky Mountains.
Which is clearly bunk, given the existence of the Appalachian Mountains, the Ozarks, the Adirondacks...in the case of the Adam Range, this appeared to use the Canadian Biodiveristy Centre's McGill page/link but I didn't bother to read that page to see if that's where this claim from.  But it appears to be eco-boilerplate pasted across a number of these articles and needs to be removed.  if it's in the biodiversity.ca webpage then that's yet another eco-zoid website with bad geography that shouldn't be considered a "reiiable source" (even if it IS hosted by a university).Skookum1 (talk) 13:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I went through all the ranges on the template, it was in about half of them, and the Canadian Biodiversity website was the citation in each case; many of those pages need proper citation.  Eco-sites do not warrant proper sources for geographic-item pages, especially when they make false claims of this kind.  The same claim may occur on some of hte mountain peak pages, I can't be bothered to look through them now.....Skookum1 (talk) 13:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They probably made that statement because the Arctic Cordillera is the largest cordillera in eastern North America and contains the highest mountains in eastern North America. The Appalachians, etc are more or less a "hill range" and they arn't snow-capped year around, nor do they contain glaciers as far as I'm aware of. The size of those mountain ranges is the only thing I would consider "major". Black Tusk (talk) 19:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's because we come from heavy mountain country, sort of "mountain chauvinism"...for people who live in Appalachia or the Adirondacks, they are "major" mountains; especially if you've ever gotten lost in them; more rugged than you know, let me assure you, especially the Adirondacks.  And Mt Washington VT has some of the most deadly weather on the continent and people who get lost on it regularly die, and a lot more than you'd think is wilderness, even down in Arkansas and Kentucky.  Granted, not much higher than Burnaby Mtn and not much at all as high as Sumas Mtn, but still, in the views of those who live there "major" mountains.  Same as in North Wales and Scotland; height and glziers alone do not define "major"....Skookum1 (talk) 19:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's quite a leap from "is the largest cordillera in eastern North America and contains the highest mountains in eastern North America" t to "the only major mountain range east of the Rockies", which is an OR-type synthesis/extrapolation.  Just because a website makes its own OR claims doesn't mean we have to repeat them without question.Skookum1 (talk) 19:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Something about cliche comparisons/references to the Rocky Mountains always twig me too.....a flatlander's frame of reference, underscored by this coming from Montreal (where Mount Royal is considered a "major" mountain by many of its inhabitants).Skookum1 (talk) 19:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, "is the largest cordillera in eastern North America and contains the highest mountains in eastern North America" is not all that accurate either. There's higher mountains in Greenland, including Mont Forel, 3,383 m, while Barbeau Peak is 2,616 m. And I'm not from heavy mountain country. I live and come from a similar rugged landscape called Ontario where most "mountains" are usually about 300-200 m in elevation. Black Tusk (talk) 21:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The references stating Barbeau Peak as the highest mountain east of the Rocky Mountains are likely talking about Barbeau's prominence rather than elevation. Barbeau's prominence is 2,616 m whereas Mont Forel has a prominence of 1,581 m, unless the prominence/elevation is wrong on one or both articles. Black Tusk (talk) 05:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: More false claims

message: ...once I can stomach the amount of work needed, and wading through the eco-bumpf this article is full of.  In fixing some today I noticed this paragraph:
:While the Arctic Cordillera mountain system includes most of the Arctic islands and regions such as Bathurst Island, Cornwall Island, Amund Ringnes, Ellef Ringnes, Ellesmere Island, Baffin Island, Bylot Island and Labrador, the Arctic Cordillera ecozone only covers Ellesmere Island, Baffin Island, Axel Heiberg Island, Bylot Island and Labrador.
Which is clear enough proof that we're talking about two different entities here, the Arctic Cordillera mountain range and the Arctic Cordillera Ecozone.  This should no more be one article than Cascade Range and Cascades (ecoregion) should the same article.  It's a lot of work to split it all up, as it's so interwoven in this case.....Skookum1 (talk) 14:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Basis for split....gonna do it

message: Is it really appropriate or relevant for the article to include speculation that the biodiversity of the region could increase as a result of global climate change?  Even if this is true it is not a fact pertinent to the region as it exists.  And the same could also be said of nearly any other high-latitude zone on the planet.  However, no corroborating facts are included (such as a loss of glaciers, a rise in average temperatures, or the emergence of other flora or fauna in the region) to make this worthy of inclusion.  This section does a disservice to the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.129.116.32 (talk) 04:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Very well said. I'm deleting it. Purefury182 (talk) 15:44, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate Change

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message: Some of th content in this article has been incorporated into the Pond Inlet article which is currently under construction. The content will be revised as more precise RS are found.Oceanflynn (talk) 18:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
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