Talk:Nymphet

message: This article has been kept following this VFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

message: I clarified the definition. A nymphet is not just "a young adolescent girl", but specifically a young adolescent girl being viewed in a sexual manner. The background information on its origin from the protagonist of Lolita helps provide more context on the nature of the term. --4.246.3.43 04:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to clarify the definition even more and have been reverted twice. Instead of getting into an edit war I thought I should give my reasons for thinking the definition needs more tweaking and I hope that whoever reverted me can join in this discussion. The problem I have is with the word "sexualized." That word implies that the girl is made to look sexual by some outside force. Like for example, the way little girls are made to look "sexy" in Little Miss Beauty Pageants, like JonBenét Ramsey or the girls in Little Miss Sunshine. Not only do most dictionaries not use the word "sexualized" to define "nymphet", but I believe that it is not what Nabokov meant either. Humbert was attracted to nymphets, not because they were made to look sexy, the way a woman is made to look sexy if she becomes a model, but because of the way they naturally are. They were young girls that showed precocious sexuality on their own, not because they were "sexualized" (made to look sexy). Also I think it should be pointed out that a nympholept that sees a nymphet and thinks she is attractive, is not "sexualizing" her just by his act of feeling attracted to her. Wouldn't saying a nympet is a "sexually attractive or precocious pubescent girl" be more accurate? It is also how the term "lolita" is defined which basically means the same thing. Ospinad 02:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give us the 2 alternatives, specifically, that we can debate on? SqueakBox 18:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I did. My suggestion was to put it as "sexually attractive or sexually precocious pubescent girl," or something along those lines. That's basically how it's defined in most dictionary's and it's how the term "lolita" is defined here on wikipedia. Ospinad 19:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: While I have managed to find sources for the nymphets on the list, i have yet to find any sources for the faunlets.  Could someone help me out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.7.249.68 (talk) 22:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faunlets in culture 

message: This page is constantly being reduced, instead of being expanded and discussed.  This subject however disturbing to some of greater sensitivity, is an important aspect of understanding, not just Nabokov's book but also a huge slice of Japanese culture and also an underlying aspect of sexuality.  I understand we must only include info relating directly to the term 'Nymphet' but the information deleted was in no way detrimental to the article and gave the subject and definition greater depth.  Please lets make this Wiki better, not subject censorship.  R3X.
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The whole article about child sexuality was removed not because of cencorship, but because it holds no relation to the term 'Nymphet', and is an entire different topic on it's own.The awnser is quite simple: Puberty.
Nymphets are girls in the early days of puberty. Nymphets are not children. While they certainly are not adults yet, they are not children in the sense that their sexual behaviour is directly related to puberty. 
This is why the topic of child sexuality holds no relation to the topic of nymphets, as the concept of child sexuality is based on sexual behaviour BEFORE the onset of puberty, and is therefore not related to this topic. - Frits van Houten 13:40 31, May
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That is fair enough, but I reiterate we should try and expand this wiki to incorporate other interpretations of the nymphet in subsequent works or films as long as they are DIRECTLY related to the term nymphet.  Ihave begun to research this and I am sure we can find external sources to link to or at least quote that have used this term in this context.... R3X.
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I must point out that the term nymphet, as coined by Nabokov, covers the ages of nine to fourteen only, and not only that, but as coined by Nabokov, it is a subjective label - only a nympholept can actually discern a nymphet.  The list of alleged nymphets should not be here.  None of the listed persons, irregardless of their having or not having been labeled "nymphet" by any publication or individual (other than Nabokov), are or were actually nymphets.  There is no definition of the term other than that given in the novel.  Implying that the ridiculously old (in the context of the term) maids on this list are nymphets misleads the reader into believing that a nymphet is any attractive woman younger than the individual observing her.  The only criterion that makes any sense at all in judging who is a nymphet in popular culture would be that an actress or model plays a sexualized role or appears in a clearly sexual pose or position while she is between the ages of 9 and 14.  I believe this would cover Natalie Portman and possibly Jodie Foster (don't know how old she was when she did Taxi Driver), and that's it.  Lohan, Duff, Aguilera, Brooks, et al are simply women, because they did not enter the limelight until well out of the specified age range.  Even Lolita herself is not called a nymphet once she exceeds 14 years old.
eae 07:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unecessary censorship. 

message: This article makes numerous references to a single book, the first edition of Nabokov's The Annotated Lolita (introduced and annotated by Appel). Until 10 minutes ago, it didn't even start to say where among the lxxxvi
+441 pages any of these referred to (or indeed whether it was Nabokov or Appel who was speaking). I've identified two of these; more needs to be done. -- Hoary (talk) 10:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Page numbers

message: It's pretty clear from reading the novel that being a nymphet is about precocious puberty and being sexually desirable, however there is no mention of it in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.198.222 (talk) 10:02, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lack of information