Talk:Macaroni penguin

message: It might be interesting to add that Cody and Big Z from the movie Surf's Up appear to be famous Macaroni penguins. 67.85.122.235 17:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cody is a Rockhopper Penguin..belatedly. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia? 

message: Text added to page, which overwrote references and was duplicated . Was a copyvio from the following . Sabine's Sunbird  talk 06:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  text removed, to be readded if possible 

message: Hey, I'm now working on editing this article for a AP Biology class project.  If there is any interest in this topic, contact me! The banner at the top has all the info and links to the project page. :)--LNG123 (talk) 14:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference list was to be posted on this talk page; not added to the article. At least until they are actually used in the text.--JimmyButler (talk) 05:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello 

message: I revisited to see if you had any success in adjusting your format and selection. I'm perplexed in that you removed the marginal reference; however, I see no evidence of it being replaced with anything. I though you might have a go at the one I provided for you?--JimmyButler (talk) 18:45, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I had edited it thinking I had saved it, but apparently not??? I don't know how I managed to do that..but now there's a citation using the reference you gave me...--LNG123 (talk) 18:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations ? 

message: I stuck in a picture that I found in the Commons. You might want to play around with it a bit, give it a better description and whatnot. It's better to "stagger" the pictures on both sides of the article, but it looked funky when it was on the left...--Yohmom (talk) 01:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, thank you soooo much. I've been looking for more pictures like crazy, but apparently not in the right place. And I'm sure I can play around with it to make it look alright...--LNG123 (talk) 13:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: You may chose to address the citation issues raised by FoodPuma and resubmit for a second attempt at GA. The distinct lack of citations is a problem; albeit, having one of our own pull the trigger is a bit painful. Perhaps because Wikipedia is open source editing; there is an extreme need to verify every fact with  credible source. What I noticed was a sudden rush of GA attempts by the class for articles that are no where close to GA status. Perhaps in hope for a miracle. Fortunately, in your case there is an article already at FA status on which you can model your own efforts. I suggest using the Emperor Penguin as template for format and content and reattempt after serious attention to the actual criteria for GA are addressed. Remember, the grade is based on reaching GA - failing on the first attempt is irrelevant to your average - so no harm done.  JimmyButler (not logged in apparently) --66.56.205.235 (talk) 01:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A model. 

message: *A great physical description with a bit of history that I didn't find in your article!
*The only images you will be able to use on flickr (after non-commerical and non-derivative works was filtered out)
*Good information with image licesening information at the bottom
:*Note: They say here that Royal Penguins and Macaroni Penguins are conspecific (of the same species)... thus this picture can be used...
*Pubmed endocrinology
*Info on diving: Do they control their metabolic rate (etc) to dive further?
*More info on penguins' cold-water adaptations/ability
*Study on food consumption when compared to other penguin species
*Mercury concentrations in several species of penguin
And there are always more out there... :-) FoodPuma 21:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Above it says that Royal Penguins and Macaroni Penguins are the same species. However, I don't believe that that is recognized by any major sources, and Wikipedia has two different articles. Be careful using that source and you shouldn't use the picture. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 21:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, after posting that I went to the Royal Penguin page to see if there was any mention of it being closely related to the Macaroni Penguin, only to realize that it's play as a possible sub-species is debated. Perhaps just a mention, then, that they are known to interbreed with other penguins? Not really sure what/how to do this... Check me out! FoodPuma 22:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Oh, and I am confident that the Tree of Life Web Project is an accurate source. They cited a research journal from authors Christidis & Boles that was published recently in 2008, so don't be so quick to say it's a false claim: most of the "major sources" are probably (more) outdated. That being said, I agree the picture would cause much confusion and until the two penguin species are more broadly accepted as one (or one a sub-species of the other) it should remain only on the Royal Penguin article. Cheers! FoodPuma 22:17, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some more poking around and C&B have recently decided that the Royal Penguin is a subspecies of the Macaroni. Wikipedia is fairly conservative in bird taxonomy, and as it is only one source probably won't become solid fact, but it definately deserves a mention that some authors consider the Royal Penguin a subspecies. This is another source based off of C&B. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 22:24, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  You need sources, these are sources! 

message: These two taxa are closely related, so much so that the Royal is considered a subspecies of the Macaroni in the latest checklist of Australian Birds (christidis and boles 2008), due to the low level of divergence in DNA and difficulties separating them (some macaronis have pale faces as well). The older Penguin monograph book still lists them as separate...so what shall we do? I need to sleep now but other sources say....what? Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:18, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: D'oh!! Just saw above post! Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

text: PS: C & B 2008 has a good summary as to why these should be treated as subsp. so can be a good discussion point, but I need to sleep...Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether treated as separate species or subspecies (something that can easily change with new information or shifting taxonomic paradigm) they are distinct (e.g. appearance, breeding range) taxa, with sufficient available information on both of them, to warrant two articles. There is no reason why distinct subspecies should not have separate articles, and there are several examples in Wikipedia already. Maias (talk) 23:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status of Macaroni Penguin and Royal Penguin 

message: You may want to visit here. Among other things, it says that there are 18 million in existance, rather than the 12 million pairs mentioned in the lead, and it is a highly accurate source. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good pick-up. Reading onwards, this is a more up-to-date reference than what I have (1993), and the page goes on to explain that there has been a decrease. We can expand and add that. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Ref 

message: The following are suggestions that you may or may not want to implement. 
* Move one sentence in the lead so that population size and conservation status come together. They are closely related. 
*flattened in flippers, flattened into flippers (evolutionary process), flattened and formed as flippers 
*Penguins in genus Eudyptes are usually distinguished by ... This statement is about the genus but the article is supposed to be about a species. Maybe formulate as in the following sentence Like all ..., but then it will be boringly repetitititive. 
*They species epithet (obvious) 
--Ettrig (talk) 18:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More suggestions 

message: *The lead says that "Adult Macaroni Penguins average about 5.5 kg (12 lb) in weight and 71 cm (28 in) in length." Yet in the Description section we're told that: "The adult Macaroni Penguin may reach a length of around 71 cm (28 in) and weigh around 5.5 kg (12 lb)." Your definition of "average" isn't one that I'm familiar with.
*The leads tells us that "They moult once a year before returning to their colonies to mate", but it doesn't tell us that they ever went away from their colonies. Where do they spend their time between matings? At sea?
*"Both the male and female penguins keep the egg warm in long shifts ...". Where do they get these long shifts from? Do they wear them to keep warm?
:Male and female parent take turns keeping the egg warm. How long is long? --Ettrig (talk) 14:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Get away, you learn something new every day. ;-) Actually I was hoping to see something specific like 24-hour shifts, or however long they may be. --Malleus Fatuorum 20:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The best I could determine the 5 - week session is divided up into 3 nearly equal sized dresses - although in the female it tends to be rather low-cut despite the cold temperatures. I also attempted to address some other issues that were brought up. I will check with my student to see if she is going to take the GA accomplishment and run. As in "Away"! I've set a deadline to attempt the FA (May 1). Those who made it to GA have the option to walk away. I should know by 3/16--JimmyButler (talk) 22:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would probably need quite a bit of work to get through FAC (she can ask Food Puma and Yohmom about that), so I guess it depends on her schedule. GA is a really good achievement anyway though, and one she should feel proud of. Lots of editors would kill to have a GA under their belt. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum 01:59, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

text: ) --LNG123 (talk) 21:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few questions/comments 

message: I’ve made these changes which include standardising spelling, which was a random mix of BE and AE
*Why is “cited text” a subheading of  “conservation” (absolutely no idea, maybe it was a wiki-poltergeist)
*I’d prefer “Williams (2005) p. 100” etc to the current non-standard reference form (good point. done)
*Is there really only one book with info on this species? (It is a monograph-like book on the penguins, but I was musing on this myself and going to scour for more recent developments)
*Some refs have author's surname first, some have it after first name/initials (thanks. minimised variations now)
*Two date styles in refs (fixed)
*why is zipcode zoo a reliable source? (removed)
Still needs a thorough CE and checking jimfbleak (talk) 12:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say I have found starting from scratch easier than getting a well-developed on polished up prose-wise...anyway, onward and upward. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: CE

message: I was unsure whether this should warrant a mention in the "predator" section, especially since it involves captive specimens, so I'll just put the info here and let someone else decide. Sasata (talk) 06:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Viral predator 

message: --24.175.221.208 (talk) 03:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, "feature page" explains why it is a vandal magnet today. Edison (talk) 22:37, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  They are not a new species. They have been around for years. 

message: The range map seems lacking or conflicts with the text.  We say "much of Antarctica", but the blue swath only covers a bit of the peninsula.  I also wonder if more of the textual remarks could be incorporated in the map.TCO (talk) 04:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Like which textual remarks were you thinking of? Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:45, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Showing the wandering range, I guess (in another color?)TCO (talk) 05:55, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Range map? 

message: Can someone tell if this penguin is Macaroni Penguin? Is it of another species in the Eudyptes genus? Tomer T (talk) 17:41, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Identification needed

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