Talk:Jim Watson (Canadian politician)

message: No details about his resignation in 2000?  That's not good. -Joshuapaquin 05:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Resignation in 2000

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Old Ottawa Flag.png

message: This page is meant to serve as a biography of a living person. It appears that it is being updated to be an extension of a present political campaign. I suggest that the section that announces his "planks" in the present municipal election platform be removed. These have no pertinence to the biography of the individual, but are only meant to serve political aims.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.9.56 (talk) 11:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your removal of his platform details. The section doesn't seem to have any further issues (it's only one line now) so I removed . -M.Nelson (talk) 22:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Article for Campaigning 

message: I notice on Bob Chiarelli's, Larry O'Brien's and this page the mayor is number as 1s, 2nd, and 3rd mayor the new city respectively. Since its been nine years since the city was expanded to its current boundaries isn't "new city" a misnomer? I propose changing it to "post-amalgamation" instead. 99.241.90.42 (talk) 02:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of "New City" 

message: Jim Watson is the 56th mayor of Ottawa, he is also the 58th mayor of Ottawa. He was out of office and was re-elected ten years later. Does he really become the 56th mayor again ? Doesn't make much sense. UrbanNerd (talk) 03:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He was and always will be the 56th mayor of Ottawa no matter how man more times he is elected. He was the 56th person to be mayor of Ottawa and nothing will ever change that. Pierre Trudeau was the 15th Prime Minister of Canada despite having two nonconsecutive terms, for example. It is only customary in the U.S. to count separate nonconsecutive terms in the way you have prescribed. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I could see if the terms were consecutive, but they were ten years apart, one of the old city of Ottawa, and the second The "mega-city". UrbanNerd (talk) 06:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't matter. He was the 56th person to be mayor of Ottawa. #58 will be whoever is mayor next. This is how we count leaders in Canada. -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Very odd, but good to know. UrbanNerd (talk) 15:45, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

text: It depends on how Ottaw numbers its mayors. Do they number via individual? or via mayorship? GoodDay (talk) 21:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  56th mayor of Ottawa 

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message: I want to avoid violating the 3 revert rule, so I will address the recent reverts here. User:Mewulwe seems to think the order is "inaccurate", but failed to explain how it is. In Canada, when we order politicians, we don't count 2 non consecutive terms as being two different ranks in the order. Not sure if that is what the complaint is. I also know that with Chiarelli and O'Brien there was a dispute about them being the 1st and 2nd mayors of the city because of amalgamation, so we put that in the infobox as well as a compromise. Not sure if that's the issue either. I wish Mewulwe explained his/her issue with the order better. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I want to see a reliable source for the specific number, otherwise it doesn't belong. I suspect that there is no official or semi-official ordering of politicians at all in Canada. Mewulwe (talk) 18:38, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the numbering of certain politicians in Canada is well-established.  Even Prime Ministers are referred to by their order of office, as well as premiers and mayors among others.  As an example, check out this clip from one of Ontario's public broadcast shows, where a former prime minister and premier are referred to by their orders in office: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15a773nqnQ  The relevant bit is within the first 30 seconds.  Additionally, check out the Twitter feed of the Governor-General of Canada: https://twitter.com/GGDavidJohnston  Even he refers to himself as the 28th Governor-General of Canada.  Although these are only a few examples, it's quite clear that it's well-established in Canada that politicians are numbered by their order in office.  As far as I'm concerned, the 56th bit here should be put back in. Redverton (talk) 23:37, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find any sources saying he's the 56th, but anyone who can count would be able to verify that he is the 56th person to have been mayor of the city. I suppose one could consider it "original research". I wouldn't agree personally, but I think it should be something we should discuss. -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:54, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I should have made a point about that as well.  I think Mewulwe's objection is based on two things - 1) an opposition in principle to numbering politicians, and 2) whether we can definitely say he's the 56th mayor.  On the first point, I again highlight another example.  On the website of the current Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, he is referred to as the 22nd Prime Minister of Canada - http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/pm.asp?featureId=7&pageId=27.  I don't want to say that's the end of that debate, but when the Prime Minister is referred to by his order of office, you have to suspect the ordering of politicians is indeed well-established in Canada.  On the second point however, I have no view - I don't know whether he can be definitely called the 56th mayor. I wait to see evidence either way. Redverton (talk) 23:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a good reference to Larry O'Brien being the 58th mayor here (although that doesn't necessarily help here): http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/former-ottawa-mayor-one-year-later-1.1084087?cmp=rss -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:09, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

text: I just noticed the discussion earlier on about naming him the 56th mayor.  Considering that, and the source you highlighted, numerically I can't see much doubt that he's the 56th mayor.  Like you said, only the U.S. is in the habit of giving two different orders of office if serving non-consecutive terms.  I stand then by my original statement, as I say put the 56th bit back in. Redverton (talk) 00:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The prime minister and even some mayors may well use numbers, but from that I don't think it can automatically be assumed that every city does it, and furthermore uses the same counting system. We can't just arbitrarily assign numbers by counting in some way down some Wikipedia list, which itself may not be accurate, and give the impression that those numbers are as fixed as the numbers of U.S. presidents. Mewulwe (talk) 12:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I didn't use this list to count. But I digress. It's not arbitrary. I found a reference to the previous mayor's order using a very reputable source. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: CBC, like anyone else, may copy bits like that from Wikipedia, or they may occasionally, like Wikipedia, give such a number based on a dubious count of their own. After all, if CBC is reliable, so is this, contradicting Redverton's statement about two different numbers for one person. Now how do you go from Whitton 48 to O'Brien 58? Even if Whitton is just 46, it doesn't fit with the list. So unless you have a complete official numbered list, this is all OR. Mewulwe (talk) 09:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order 

message: This article seems to have been written by people who support Watson. Notably, in the second mayoral term section, there is not a single point about negative points during his term, everything is positive. The Minister of Municipal Affairs section is similar, it boasts about his accomplishments and how he improved without providing any negative information. 
Basically, there is no criticism. The whole article is "he did this, improved this, increased funding here, and didn't raise taxes", which clearly is not a NPOV. There is no mention of the reason for his resignation as well during his first term, which is very odd because there should always be a public reason given for the resignation. The article is simply too positive with zero negatives.Hti999 (talk) 02:26, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

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