Talk:Malcolm Williamson

message: This keeps on intriguing me.  If he had ceased to be an Australian citizen by the time of his Order of Australia, the question then becomes: what country was he a citizen of?  I can't imagine it would have been any country other than the UK, since he lived there and was MQM.  It's stated wherever you look that he was first non-British MQM; but it seems that he must have rectified that at some stage.  I don't know enough about Australian and UK citizenship laws, but many people have dual citizenship.  If he felt it necessary to adopt UK citizenship, I really wonder why dual citizenship could not have been arranged, rather than abandoning Australian citizenship altogether.  And why is his abandonment of his Australian citizenship not mentioned anywhere? --  JackofOz (talk) 01:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If as I suspected above it's a case of the 1950s Australian laws applying automatically then Williamson may never have consciously taken any steps to abandon it (in much the same way the articles on Obama, birther movement aside, don't mention his "abandonment" of Kenyan citizenship in 1984, as that was also a passive event) and so it may have been no significant event at the time (or subsequently if no fuss was ever made about it in his lifetime). I'm not at all clear just what the citizenship status of people-living-in-the-UK-who-had-been-born-in-and-migrated-from-Dominions-that-adopted-their-own-citizenship-laws was in the 1950s onwards, but I think Williamson would have still been recognised as a British subject, at least under UK law, and by the time the distinction would have mattered he may well have naturalised. Citizenship laws are a complex mess. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How very interesting.  Thanks, TRP. Your theory, that it all happened passively and probably even unconsciously to Williamson, is the most plausible one I've heard so far.  So, at some point he formally ceased to be an Australian and was solely a British citizen.  Yet the world at large was obviously unaware of this, because his appointment as Master of the Queen's Music was widely trumpeted as "the first non-Briton ever appointed".  Williamson always remained an Australian in his heart, and was always considered so by his compatriots, and by the world at large - just not at law.  Well, one more proof that the law is an ass.  I guess all this is going to have to wait for his biography for confirmation (I assume someone's interested enough in Malcolm Williamson to write a biog).  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  22:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: What was his final citizenship, and when did it change?

message: Can someone go through and remove all that stuff about him being "extraordinarily gifted" and about his works having "astonishing imagination" and works having "(inexplicably) never been performed"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.169.5 (talk) 09:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Gosh, someone's really cheerleading for old Malcolm here. I've gone through it and made as many changes as I thought necessary on first glance, however I think the article remains somewhat positively prejudiced for Williamson through its sheer length. The list of works - and especially the descriptions of certain sections - should be removed in my opinion. If not for the florid descriptions, but for the fact that as far as I can tell large scale works are not broken up into individual sections in the 'Lists of Works' sections on WP. Leftblank (talk) 09:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that one can accuse an article of lack of neutrality simply because it provides more information than you might think is warranted. Sure, opinions about the quality of the music will always be opinions, but it's wonderful to have the detailed factual information here. Yes I'm biassed - I've been trying to get hold of more of Williamson's music for the best part of 30 years - but even if I'm in a minority, a resource like this is immensely valuable. Mhkay (talk) 21:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - one can't accuse an article of neutrality problems through its in-depth nature; it was more a roundabout way of saying that I thought this article was a bit too long and extensive for a composer who is not as well known as other more renound composers with much shorter and concise articles, for instance Boulez or John Cage to name but a couple. In any case, my other point remains: Wikipedia is a not a site for promotional material and the such; take a look at Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not, especially regarding the sections on "Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought" and "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information". In any case, your contributions are of course very, very welcome. I just believe that they might need to be made a bit more objective, as there are other more appropriate routes for promoting Williamson's work, outside of old WP. Leftblank (talk) 12:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Just a point of clarification - I haven't contributed anything much to this article. I was speaking as a reader. Mhkay (talk) 22:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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