Talk:O Fortuna

message: * Electronica band Apotheosis, released a few versions of a track featuring "O Fortuna" in 1989 of which the Orff estate sued to stop the distribution.
* Synth/Medieval, French band Era recorded a Mix called "The Mass" featuring pieces of "O Fortuna" from the original Carmina Burana. 
* "O Fortuna" was first introduced to mainstream media in John Boorman's 1981 film Excalibur. It enjoyed tremendous popularity among the public following the movie's release and was for a time thereafter frequently incorporated into various cinematic and musical works for dramatic effect (a practice that has since become clichéd and consequently is often parodied).
* "O Fortuna" is played at all large events staged at the new Wembley Stadium.
* The piece has appeared in many television commercials such as the Carlton Draught's 'Big Ad', the barbarian raider advertisements for Capital One credit cards, the opera motif advertisements for Rickard's Red beer (from Molson), and the long running TV advertising campaign for Old Spice aftershave in the United Kingdom.
* Manchester based prog/Alternative rock band Amplifier have released a track called "O Fortuna" on their second album "The Insider".
* Scandinavian electonic band Apoptygma Berserk used a sample of the piece as the chorus of their song "Love Never Dies (Part 1)" from the album "Seven".
* The verse from "Sors salutis" was used as the entrance theme for The Undertaker's druids at Wrestlemania XIV.
* This piece is played when the University of Connecticut football team runs out on to the field.
* This piece is regularly known from the famous Gatorade commercials featuring the Garnett from the Celtics and Peyton Manning from the Colts.
* In one of Micheal Jackson's albums, the begining scene features his over excited fan's best moments and the piece plays with it. Evidence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28TPtp59jCs  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.30.91.10 (talk) 23:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PLEASE NOTE. I was unable to verify this material, much of which is dubious and all of which lacks any kind of reliable sources.  As a compromise measure I have moved it to the talk page so that it is not "lost" in the edit history shuffle.  Please do not re-insert this material without providing the reliable sources deemed necessary by WP:V policy.  Thank you, Burntsauce 16:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Burntsauce was banned for disruptive editing. The info needs better sourcing, but it's evident he didn't bother trying. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Here's a YouTube video purporting to be a recording of Apocalyptica playing O Fortuna:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leUTSH_wKos  It should be fairly obvious from listening to it that the recording, in fact, has nothing to do with Apocalyptica.  I would recommend simply removing the reference to Apocalyptica from the article, since it seems clear that they have not, in fact, covered O Fortuna.130.71.239.204 (talk) 06:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: In Popular Culture

message: The reason why Maddow has so much fun with the song is because it was used as the soundtrack for a recent RNC "scare" ad. Maddow isn't just having fun with the piece out of the blue, she is mocking the RNC for trying to use the song to frighten viewers of the ad. This needs to be noted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.84.81 (talk) 21:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: RNC and Maddow

message: Question:  egestatem??
isn't it:
et gestatem potestatem
like: (Fortune) gestates (creates) power
et gestatem potestatem  . creates power
dissolvit ut glaciem     .   and melts ir like ice 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanketai (talk • contribs)  04:08, 30 December 2007
: It seems to be transcribed as "egestatem" all over the place, as FordPrefect42 points out.   But when I look at the image in wikicommons it very much looks like "et estatem" to me (near the end of the ninth line on the page) - there seems a clear space, and the letter after the first "e" is nothing like the very rounded "g"s later on in "glaciem", "angaria", and "tangite".  (Also the image of summer being melted like ice makes good poetry; and it fits the tone of the rest:  apart from the brief "et tunc curat", the rest of the piece is exclusively about fortune destroying one good thing after another.  Not that I'm meaning to argue from aesthetics, just from what the manuscript says.)  Hrm.  4630 google hits for "egestatem potestatem", and for "et estatem potestatem"... zero.  Maybe the ink's just worn away there or something; a shame I can't find a better image anywhere. --Zeborah (talk) 01:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hm, I can see your point. Yet we have a principle in wikipedia: no original research! All printed editions of the Carmina Burana that I have checked have egestatem, as well as the libretto of Orff's Carmina Burana (I have not checked the critical edition, though). It is not our business to correct well-established scientifical positions. One might add a footnote or so, that the facsimile may suggest a different version. BTW, if you zoom in the image very closely, it is very possible that the letter between the two "e"'s is a somewhat worn-out "g". I guess that the editors of the critical editions, who transcribed the lyrics from the original manuscript, were aware of various possible readings as well as of the manuscript's condition. --FordPrefect42 (talk) 10:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Latin

message: The music is Carl Orff's or originally composerd by Goliards?
Humanbyrace (talk) 15:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The music is Carl Orff's or originally composerd by Goliards? 

message: I once heard a version of "O Fortuna" performed with English lyrics.
I'm don't remember the exact date - but I am fairly sure it was before 1993.
The radio DJ emphasised that the recording was unavailable in any shop.
The name "Sonia Christina" was mentioned - but I don't know if that was the name of the orchestra, the conductor or the person who lent the DJ this recording.
Has anyone else heard that version ?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.121.80 (talk) 05:05, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it was http://www.sonjakristina.com/? But if the recording you are talking of has never been released officially, you will hardly have a chance to find it almost 20 years later. --FordPrefect42 (talk) 16:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  English language version ? 

message: Where does the english translation come from? Why this translation? Does this comply with the policy of original research? Why not use the more apt waxing and waning than growing and decreasing? Is this translation literal for a reason?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.36.132 (talk) 05:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  English translation 

message: User:Atcold has now twice changed the translation of "Fortuna" from "Fortune" to "Fate". I can find no source for that translation but plenty for the former (including in articles like Fortuna and Rota Fortunae), so I reverted the first edit and provided a link to Wikt:fortune which gives: "1. Destiny or fate". Atcold's opined in the edit summary: "Wrong translation from Latin (Fortuna here has the meaning of 'fate')" and "Wrong translation again." I think that editor's understanding of the meaning of "Fortune" is unjustifiably limited; it also robs the translation of mirroring the effect of the Latin text which later switches to "sors" where "fate" is indeed the appropriate translation. I suggest to return the translation to its traditional version. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:16, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Fortuna – Fortune

message: The article Carl Orff's O Fortuna in popular culture was split from this article in August 2009. Today, User:Knowledgebattle merged it without discussion into this article again, and I reverted that merge and restored the status quo. Before such a merge occurs, it should be discussed. I argue to keep the two separate. Since the split, this article has been relatively stable, and editors concerned about the work weren't bothered much by the usual outbreaks of "I heard it today on xxx – I must add that to the article." Editors who wanted to list every occurrence or cover version had their playpen at the other article – the greatest degree of content for the largest number of people. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:44, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the benefit of keeping the two separate? In fact, what's the point of even listing all of these references? It's overkill. KnowledgeBattle (Talk) | GodlessInfidel ︻╦╤── 23:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So why did you merge? As I wrote above, the popular culture section was split into its own article in August 2009. Since then, no-one has argued to merge it back, which indicates consensus. The onus of showing a benefit (of merging) is on those proposing it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: In popular culture – merge/split

message: This gives a rather different translation: http://www.tylatin.org/extras/cb1.html. Looking at the Latin, it seems more accurate to me. Can a Latin expert weigh in? --51.9.203.31 (talk) 19:19, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There are of course many ways to translate the text. The article uses one from http://www.classical.net/music/comp.lst/works/orff-cb/carmlyr.php. Unless that translation is shown to be wrong, there's no need to change it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:08, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

text: One of Wikipedia's core principles is to report what sources say. There are some sources using "cordis pulsum tangite", but none of them for Orff's work where only "corde" is used. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:26, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think the translation is wrong 

message: And now the USA corporation Naxos of America own the digital rights for the O Fortuna. What? How can it be??? Why??? Who can answer that the USA can own anything that dont even was created on opaque side of World? They own digital records for Neanderthalis music as well? 
Bynk--78.98.68.203 (talk) 14:26, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naxos of America