Talk:Ruhollah Khomeini/Archive 3

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<P><B>Life under Khomeini</B>
<P>Under Khomeini's rule, Sharia (Islamic law) was introduced, with the Islamic dress code enforced for both men and women. Women were forced to cover their hair and body, while men were not allowed to wear short-sleeve shirts or shorts. Many opponents fled the country because of their dislike of the political situation after the Revolution and its changes. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press were ostensibly protected, at least as long as it did not contradict Islamic law. Inevitably, however, many newspapers and other media outlets were closed down. Furthermore, opposition to the religious rule of the clergy or Islam in general was often met with harsh punishments. In the immediate aftermath of the Revolution, there were many systematic human rights violations, including mass executions and interrogation of former members of the overthrown monarchy and military and anyone who opposed the revolutionary government.
<P>In 1979, when Khomeini returned to Iran after exile and before he led the Islamic revolution, he made a speech in Tehran’s main cemetery. In this speech, Khomeini promised Iranian citizens free telephone, heating, electricity, bus services and free oil at their door steps. He also declared that “no one should remain homeless in this country”. None of these promises were fulfilled. 
<P>Ayatollah Khomeini was also supportive of religious minorities including the Persian Jewish, Christian and Zoroastrian communities. He also called for unity between Sunni and Shi'a Muslims.
<P>In 1976, Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa to allow people with hormonal disorders to undergo gender reassignment if they wished, as well as to change their birth certificates to reflect their new gender role. Before the Islamic Revolution in 1979, there was no particular policy regarding transgendered individuals. Iranians with the inclination, means, and connections could obtain the necessary medical treatment and new identity documents.
<P>For many years, breaking the barrier of confinement of the private sphere has been a major source of frustration for advocates of women's rights in Iran. But the Islamic revolution broke the barrier overnight. When Khomeini called for women to attend public demonstration and ignore the night curfew, millions of women who would otherwise not have dreamt of leaving their homes without their husbands' and fathers' permission or presence, took to the streets. Khomeini's call to rise up against the Shah took away any doubt in the minds of many devoted Muslim women about the propriety of taking to the streets during the day or at night.
<P>The late 1980s and early 1990s witnessed a marked increase of employment for women. This increase was much more than the rate prior to the revolution. Such dramatic change in the pattern of labor force participation might not have been possible if Khomeini had not broken the barriers to women entering into the public sphere. Educational attainment for women, also a product of free education and the literacy campaign, contributed to this increase. In fact, today there are more women in higher education than there are men. The Islamic Republic had adopted certain policies to expand educational levels for women in order to ensure that sexual segregation paid off. These policies were to encourage women to become skilled workers in domains exclusive to women. For example, the government set quotas for female pediatricians and gynecologists and set up barriers against women wanting to become civil engineers.
<P>Khomeini supported family planning, a program through which the government called upon women to distribute contraceptives, as well as organ transplants. 
<P>In early 1989, Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for the killing of Salman Rushdie, claiming that Rushdie's murder was a religious duty for Muslims because of his alleged blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad in his novel, The Satanic Verses. The novel, which examines the integration of Indian characters into modern Western culture, implies that the Qur'an was not properly preserved. Rushdie's book contains passages that some Muslims – including Ayatollah Khomeini – considered offensive to Islam and the prophet. The issuance of the fatwa caused many Westerners, particularly those on the left who had generally been in favor of the Revolution against the Shah, to reconsider their support of Khomeini.
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<P><B>Problems with existing text.</B>
<P>current: "Freedom of speech and freedom of the press were ostensibly protected, at least as long as it did not contradict Islamic law. Inevitably, however, many newspapers and other media outlets were closed down."
<P>problem: why was it "inevitable"? what did Khomeini say as to why he did not protect it?
<P>Proposed change: "Although many hoped the revolution would bring freedom of speech and press, this was not to be. In defending forced closing of opposition newspapers and attacks on opposition protestors by club-wielding vigilantes Khomeini explained, `The club of the pen and the club of the tongue is the worst of clubs, whose corruption is a 100 times greater than other clubs.` (footnote: Khomeini, February 1981, from p.146 Bakhash, Shaul, <I>The Reign of the Ayatollahs : Iran and the Islamic Revolution</I> by Shaul Bakhash, New York, Basic Books, 1984 )
<P>current: "In 1979, when Khomeini returned to Iran after exile and before he led the Islamic revolution, he made a speech in Tehran’s main cemetery. In this speech, Khomeini promised Iranian citizens free telephone, heating, electricity, bus services and free oil at their door steps. He also declared that “no one should remain homeless in this country”. None of these promises were fulfilled. [4][5][6][7][8]"
<P>Proposed change:  Speech marked the beginning of "life under khomeini" and might be better put at the beginning of the section.
<P>In speech given to a huge crowd after returning to Iran from exile Feb.1, 1979, Khomeini promised Iranian citizens free telephone, heating, electricity, bus services and free oil delivered to their doorstep. He also declared that “no one should remain homeless in this country”. While Khomeini was unable to follow through on these promises, [13][14][15][16][17] many far-reaching changes did come to Iran.
<P>current: Ayatollah Khomeini was also supportive of religious minorities including the Persian Jewish, Christian and Zoroastrian communities.[9] He also called for unity between Sunni and Shi'a Muslims.
<P>problem: what is "supportive"? more facts would help.
<P>Proposed change: Life for religious minorities has been mixed under Khomeini and his successors. 
Shortly after his return from exile in 1979, Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa ordering that Jews and other minorities (except Bahai) be treated well. By law, several seat in the parliament are reserved for minority religions. Khomeini also called for unity between Sunni and Shi'a Muslims.
<P>However, religious minorities do not however have equal rights in Khomeini's Islamic Republic. Senior government posts are reserved for Muslims.  Jewish and Christian schools must be run by Muslim principals.  Compensation for death paid to the family of a non-Muslim is (by law) less than if the victim was a Muslim. Convertion to Islam is encouraged by entitling converts to  inherit the entire share of their parents (or even uncle's) estate if their siblings (or cousins) remain non-Muslim.   Bahia are actively harassed. non-Muslim population has falled dramatically. 
Jewish population dropped from 80,000 to 30,000 in the first two decades of the revolution. (footnote: The Last Revolution by Robin Wright c2000, p.207,210, 216)
<P> Existing: "For many years, breaking the barrier of confinement of the private sphere has been a major source of frustration for advocates of women's rights in Iran. But the Islamic revolution broke the barrier overnight. When Khomeini called for women to attend public demonstration and ignore the night curfew, millions of women who would otherwise not have dreamt of leaving their homes without their husbands' and fathers' permission or presence, took to the streets. Khomeini's call to rise up against the Shah took away any doubt in the minds of many devoted Muslim women about the propriety of taking to the streets during the day or at night.[10]
<P>"The late 1980s and early 1990s witnessed a marked increase of employment for women. This increase was much more than the rate prior to the revolution. Such dramatic change in the pattern of labor force participation might not have been possible if Khomeini had not broken the barriers to women entering into the public sphere. Educational attainment for women, also a product of free education and the literacy campaign, contributed to this increase. In fact, today there are more women in higher education than there are men. The Islamic Republic had adopted certain policies to expand educational levels for women in order to ensure that sexual segregation paid off. These policies were to encourage women to become skilled workers in domains exclusive to women. For example, the government set quotas for female pediatricians and gynecologists and set up barriers against women wanting to become civil engineers." [11]
<P>Problem: these paragraphs are almost verbatim quotes from an article (p.233, 236 <I>Brown Journal of World Affairs</I>, Winter/Spring 2003) which may present copyright problems. In addition it omits passages that explain the <I>real</I> hero of the article is the grassroots women activists of the Iranian revolution who at least sometimes achieved their gains in spite of the desires of Khomeini and his sucessors (example: "Khomeini planned to send women back home to their tradditional roles as mothers and wives," something "advocates of women's rights" would not have approved of).
 
<BR>Another question: the "marked increase of employment" for women is a rise from 21 to 24% over 5 years. Is this so remarkable or different than non-revolutionary countries like Egypt or Jordan?
<P>existing: Khomeini supported family planning, a program through which the government called upon women to distribute contraceptives, as well as organ transplants. [12]
<P>problem: Does not mention that birth control was discouraged in Iran for the first 6 years of the revolution.  
<P>Proposed change: Not all of the original goals of the Islamic Revolution were  achieved. Early attempts to ban music, family planning, and divorce initiated by women were reversed [19], as was the lowering of the age of majority for girls from 15 to nine years old.
<P>After encouraging couples to have large families, Khomeini reversed course in 1986, when Iran's population growth rate reached 3.2%. [20] Iran now has a nationwide campaign to encourage contraceptive used. [21]. Music was banned in 1979. In 1988 Khomeini issed a fatwa permitting its use again. [22] The age at which girls could be married off or tried in court as an adult was raised from 9 years to 13 in 2002. [23]
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If you have any suggestions, changes, complaints or reasons why these changes should not be made please let us know as I plan to make these changes listed above if no one objects.
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In reference to "In 1976, Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa to allow people with hormonal disorders to undergo gender reassignment if they wished, as well as to change their birth certificates to reflect their new gender role.":
I was hoping someone with permission could change it to:
"In 1976, Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa to allow transgendered people to undergo gender reassignment surgery if they wished, as well as to change their birth certificates to reflect their correct sex."
This is more in keeping with current respectful language regarding transgendered people.  Many thanks.
-------------- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sa.vakilian (talk • contribs) 10:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Changes to `Life under Khomeini` 

message: almost overnight this article changed from calling khomeini a women's lib hero
(For many years, breaking the barrier of confinement of the private sphere has been a major source of frustration for advocates of women's rights in Iran. But the Islamic revolution broke the barrier overnight. When Khomeini called for women to attend public demonstration and ignore the night curfew, millions of women who would otherwise not have dreamt of leaving their homes without their husbands' and fathers' permission or presence, took to the streets.)
to calling the shah one>
trueblood 10:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted back. The anon did not discuss anything and his/her edits are way too POV. —Khoikhoi 20:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life Under Khomeini 

message: You make this part verifiable by adding some riable sources, but it is not sufficient to make this part NPOV. It should represents the achievements too. --Sa.vakilian 12:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll see what I can do about it. it may take a few days --Leroy65X 17:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added some achivements today. --Leroy65X 18:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV tag

message: almost overnight this article changed from calling khomeini a women's lib hero
(For many years, breaking the barrier of confinement of the private sphere has been a major source of frustration for advocates of women's rights in Iran. But the Islamic revolution broke the barrier overnight. When Khomeini called for women to attend public demonstration and ignore the night curfew, millions of women who would otherwise not have dreamt of leaving their homes without their husbands' and fathers' permission or presence, took to the streets.)
to calling the shah one>
trueblood 10:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted back. The anon did not discuss anything and his/her edits are way too POV. —Khoikhoi 20:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life Under Khomeini 

message: His last name is Mousavi.  I am absolutely certain because I have heard Khomeini himself  say it at the end of his speech that ordered the execution of Salman Rushdie.Patchouli 04:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  His Last Name  

message: Some Iranians considered this to be a miracle caused by divine intervention 
this quote from the article should not be in an encyclopedia, at least not in a political one.
trueblood 13:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  As you say SOME. And it's like this everywhere. SOME fools don't represent everyone. Persian Savant 03:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hostage crisis 

message: i just deleted the sentence about khomeini's indian origins. there was a link in the article, but it actually did not say anything about his alleged indian parents. as far as i could see the result of an earlier discussion was that, this indian thing is not true.--trueblood 11:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although his family has been traced to Uttar Pradesh, there is evidence that the family was of Kashmiri origin. See the article on Aga Syed Yusuf Al-Moosavi Al-Safavi for evidence.RashmiPatel 14:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  again indian origin 

message: I found the name of his parents and grandfathers, none of which are currently found in the article. 
*Mother: Hajieh Agha Khanum, also called Hajar
**According to Khomeini: Life of the Ayatollah
*Maternal Grandfather: Mirza Ahmad Mojtahed-e Khonsari
**According to Khomeini: Life of the Ayatollah
*Father: Ayatollah Seyyed Mostafa Musavi
**According to the Ottawa-Canada Iranian embassy
*Paternal Grandfather: Seyyed Ahmad Musavi Hindi
**According to Khomeini: Life of the Ayatollah
Most sources that I found give his mother's name as just "Hajar". The Iran Chamber Society also has information about his family. -- Kjkolb 09:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parents 

message: i object to the recent changes, the list of murders and particulary the picture of the woman. if more criticism on khomeini is needed, or crimes of his regime need to be described surely it can be done in a less sensational and polemic way. it would also be more efficient and convincing. needs better references than just one to a islam hate site (holy crime) too.
please improve or i will just delete the whole lot...
trueblood 12:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some facts are objectionable.  However, censorship is not the way to go.--16:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of murders 

message: Proposed change, replacing this sentence: 
:Throughout his many writings and speeches, Khomeini consistently promoted his vision of a theocratic Islamic society, guided by the morality and ethics of the clergy. 
With this:
:Throughout his many writings and speeches, Khomeini's views on governance evolved. Originally declaring rule by monarchs or others permissible so long as sharia law was followed, 1942 book/pamphet Kashf al-Asrar quoted in Islam and Revolution Khomeini later adamantly opposed monarchy, arguing that only rule by a leading Islamic jurist would insure Sharia was properly followed (velayat-e faqih), 1970 book Velayat-e Faqih, Hokumat-e-Eslami or Islamic Government,  quoted in Islam and Revolution before finally insisting Sharia rule could be overruled by jurists if necessary to serve the interests of Islam and the "divine government" of the Islamic state. Hamid Algar, `Development of the Concept of velayat-i faqih since the Islamic Revolution in Iran,` paper presented at London Conference on wilayat al-faqih, in June, 1988] [p.135-8] 
Also Ressalat, Tehran, 7 January 1988, 
http://gemsofislamism.tripod.com/khomeini_promises_kept.html#Laws_in_Islam 
Leroy65X 13:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change in the "Political thought and legacy" section 

message: Proposed change, replacing this sentence: 
:Khomeini's grandson Seyyed Hassan Khomeini, son of the late Seyyed Ahmad Khomeini, is also a cleric and the trustee of Khomeini's shrine; his grandson Hossein Khomeini, son of Seyyed Mustafa Khomeini, is a mid-level cleric who is sympathetic to American neoconservative and pro-Israel interests (he has lectured at the American Enterprise Institute) and is strongly against the system of the Islamic Republic (see ).
With this:
:Khomeini's grandson Seyyed Hassan Khomeini, son of the late Seyyed Ahmad Khomeini, is also a cleric and the trustee of Khomeini's shrine. Khomeini's grandson Hossein Khomeini, son of Seyyed Mustafa Khomeini, is a mid-level cleric who is strongly against the system of the Islamic Republic and has been quoted as saying 
::Iranians need freedom now, and if they can only achieve it with American interference I think they would welcome it. As an Iranian, I would welcome it.  "Make Iran Next, Says Ayatollah's Grandson," Jamie Wilson, August 10, 2003, The Observer
P.S. Old findarticle.com link is dead. Does anyone have any evidence of pro-zionist sympathies of Hassan Khomeini? I could not find any. I will wait a week for comments before changing the sentence.
--Leroy65X 15:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change in the "Family and Descendents" section 

message: To my knoweldege, Khomeini was not the theoretician of welayet-e-faghih (rule of religious cleric) idea and only had partial role in it. The main theoretician was ayatolah Montazeri who was expected to be the next leader after Khomeini for a while.
:Virtually every book on the Islamic Revolution I have read credits Khomeini and his 1970 Islamic Government lecture series in Najaf as the foundation of the theory of velayet-e-faqih as rightful ruler of the Islamic state, (and in fact the world). --Leroy65X 21:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They weren't fimiliar with this scholar term. Khomeini was the first person who said Islamic Jurist should establish government and rule on the basis of welayet-e-faqih. But this doesn't mean he was the first theoretician of welayet-e-faghih . Because we should remind welayet-e-faghih doesn't mean rule of religious cleric. The majority of Shi'a jurists believe in limited form of it which include Judiciary and observation but not legislation and executive power. Some of them believe in illimited welayet-e-faqih. It means jurist have the Islamic legitimate right and authority to do whatever Shi'a Imams do in social and political life.--Sa.vakilian 03:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  welayat-e-faghih 

message: The islamic revolution,show me the truth of AHL ALBEIT peace be upon them.I became a shiite thank to ALLAH first, and to the Islamic revolution made byRUHOLLAH ALKHOMEINI.
I ask god to protect IRAN,and my Imam KHAMINAYI.
And what does that have to do anything to do with this discussion? Tell me if I'm mistaken, but I belive nothing. Also My belief is that most people with thier heads screwed on right don't go around thanking a dictator, murder, and oppressor of freedom.24.6.213.203 02:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanking the islamic revolution made by AYATOULLAH AL KHOUMEINI. 

message: I rearranged this article so I gathered all about his works after revolution under " 4 Supreme leader of Islamic Republic of Iran". It includes:
    * 4.1 Return to Iran
    * 4.2 Hostage crisis
    * 4.3 Islamic constitution
    * 4.4 Iran-Iraq War
    * 4.5 Rushdie Fatwa
    * 4.6 Letter to Mikhail S. Gorbachev
--Sa.vakilian 19:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rearrangement

message: You make this part verifiable by adding some riable sources, but it is not sufficient to make this part NPOV. It should represents the achievements too. --Sa.vakilian 12:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll see what I can do about it. it may take a few days --Leroy65X 17:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added some achivements today. --Leroy65X 18:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV tag

message: there is large hunk of text taken directly from the "Ted Thornton History of the Middle East Database" and another from "The Myth of the White Revolution: Mohammad Reza Shah, 'Modernization' and the Consolidation of Power" A. Ansari. This is easy to find because the footnotes are linked to the original, but as the edit pages says:  
"Do not copy text from other websites without permission. It will be deleted." --Leroy65X 18:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: problem with Opposition with White Revolution

message: On New Article Patrol I ran across Ahmad Musavi Hindi, a small paragraph about Khomeini's grandfather.  There doesn't seem to be enough there to warrant a full article, so I am recommending a merge. --Elonka 21:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: guys, khomeini isnt an imam, i just deleted that part off his title...whoever put that doesnt understand shia islam, and yes he is indian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.151.28 (talk • contribs).--Fgol 06:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it from the lead.--Sa.vakilian 04:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  imam and origin 

message: This article is already very long so I'm going to delete the following:    
    
:The White Revolution of 1963 was a turning point in the political viewpoint of Shi'a religionists. The clergy had supported Shiite monarchies since the time of the Safavids, and this was the main source of the monarchy's legitimacy. The Shiite clergy advised them, and the shahs did not enforce religious rules which restricted or threatened religious life or religious institutions, and defended the Shiite religion in Iran. Through the modernizing programs of the Pahlavi dynasty however, the Shiite public and clergy perceived a transformation of the Iranian monarchy into a modern dictatorship that placed restrictions on religious life.   
    
I submit the White Revolution was much less of a "turning point" than many of Reza Shah's policies, that Reza Shah's legitimacy came from his military success and power. --Leroy65X 23:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming Inaccurate Verbage 

message: Somebody should write something down about how he started the end of iran ... yes his revolution (or should i say englands revolution in iran) ruined the country and its state has never been worse in over 100 years. I also blame the people of iran on bringing themselves such devestation and eradicating a monarchy which at least (with its faults) cared about the people of iran.
216.135.52.130 23:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruined 

message: Any reason why this article is still disputed? If there isn't, the tag should probably be removed. Khoikhoi 05:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I copied all of debates about "Life under Khomeini" in a new archive:Talk:Ruhollah Khomeini/Archive POV. It shows why we recognized it POV.--Sa.vakilian 11:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV tag 

message: Of course, Khomeni was a grand ayatollah().  One could find numerous citations.  It was mandated by Iran's 1979 constitution.  Everyone knows it.  This is the main reason some say Montazeri should have become the Supreme Leader.
I am purposely removing the  because it is in-appropriate for common knowledge.  This is just a criminal ranking.  Don't make a big deal out it.--Patchouli 16:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are not exactly reliable sources for this type of thing. We need an authoritative Shi'a source for this Grand Ayatollah business. So far I have never, ever heard Khomeini, not even in Iran, referred to as "Grand Ayatollah". Maybe the government in Iran can name anyone and everyone a "Grand Ayatollah" but in the grand scheme of things, there is a hierarchy, and I am positive that Khomeini, Rafsanjani, etc. are not accepted as "Grand Ayatollah" by the vast majority of Shi'a marja. Khodavand 13:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini 

message: A wikipedian has added some quotations from MEMRI which has narrated from a weblog . Unfurtunatly I can't read French. Is this source verifiable. --Sa.vakilian 05:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Blog as a source

message: This sentence is controversial:"Ayatollah Khomeini talked about democracy and freedom before returning home from exile, and his first government was dominated by liberal figures. Most Iranians were astonished when the ayatollah later announced that he was going to establish a theocratic state.World: Middle East Analysis: The forces for change, by Sadeq Saba. 
Probably Saba wasn't among revolutionaries when Ayatollah Khomeini told "Islam contains instructions concerning Islamic government; it contains instructions on its organisation"( October 14, 1978)
"What we say is that such a chaotic state of affairs is not to prevail in our country, and not that we do not want any form of government. Yes we do want a government, but a government like that described earlier, although not the same as that established by Imam `Ali, for there is no doubt that neither we nor anyone else is capable of achieving what he did. Nevertheless, we want a government which will not thieve; a government which, at the very least, will not indulge in crime and treachery; a government which will not kill a group of people should the slogan: "Death to the Shah" ring out at any time. But in any case, this is the task now ahead of us and this is the Islamic government for which we must strive. Don't let them make you afraid of Islamic government. Islamic government is a government of justice. It is a government which will afford you a life of ease and happiness, God willing. It is in the people's best interests. It is something which can only benefit the people. And it is hoped that this task of establishing an Islamic government will soon be accomplished, God willing (the audience cries: "God willing")."(On October 28, 1978)
These speech as well as numerous others shows Ayatollah Khomeini clarified that he intend to establish Islamic government and people support this idea in the mass demonstrations as Michel Foucault and others narrated. --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 13:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Islamic government

message: Apart from all the ideological excitement this gentleman obviously causes: what is his name? Someone put "Ruhollah Mustafavi" whereas the Farsi script and correctly its transliteration say "Ruhollah Musavi" (it could also be "Musawi"). Anybody with a good reason to keep "Mustafavi"? Otherwise someone change it I wont be back. --Kipala 10:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The gentleman's name

message: A photograph is given of Khomeini walking the streets of Turkey, where the public wearing of turbans was evidently banned. However, the picture itself is named "Khomeini_Paris". Perhaps the picture was actually taken in France? 68.7.61.234 06:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of the Grand Ayatollah in Turkey 

message: There are numerous articles alleging that Khomeini's father was Haji Williamson.
http://www.islam.com/reply.asp?id=758639&ct=7&mn=757404
http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/hendi.html
http://www.venusproject.com/ecs/mullahs_legitimacy.html
It is said one of his brothers used the Williamson name on his shop in Kuwait until the 1960s.
However, it is not clear how the sunni Williamson came to send his sons to Najaf to become shia clerics.
Was the Kashmiri wife a shia?
This seems somewhat unlikely and puts the story into question.
On another note, the mystical verse attributed to Khomeini (under the pseudoname of Hindi) and published in Tehran is saturated with heretical and Sufi references to wine drinking, idol worship, ruby lips of the beloved, taverns and the beauties in the tavern, and so on. This  is highly unusual in a jurist and cleric of this type and is usually found in the writings of the leader of a mystical sect.
http://www.najaf.org/english/book/16/29.htm
Khomeini's Persian is poor in his other writing, it is alledged, and does not match the beauty of these semi heretical quatrains.
Sorry to be pedantic but as we are discussing a scholastic theologian, the verses in question are ghazal(song)s not quatrains and alleged has no 'd' before a 'g', Vag Pie 13:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Taking into consideration the rest of this quite interesting conspiracy theory, a Kaskhmiri Shi'ah mother is actually quite likely, it's not as rare as one might think. Anyway, more reputable sources would be helpful, Islam.com and some pan-Iranian website isn't really shooting for the moon. --Enzuru 20:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Richard Williamson 

message: I find it exceedingly disconcerting that the only mention of the persecution of Bahai's in Iran under Khomeini is where it mentions that he omitted them from his fatwa that religious minorities be treated well.
I can and will edit it in if no one else will, but I prefer that the subject be expanded upon by someone of a more neutral perspective on the situation than myself. Peter Deer 13:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a couple of quotes and made the link to the Bahai article stand out. We have to keep it short though because the article is already pretty long. --BoogaLouie 18:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the persecution of Baha'is since the revolution 

message: We should deal with these. Who has complaints and what are the issues? I've tried to cleanup Islamic constitution and its opposition. 
--BoogaLouie (talk) 20:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put those tags. Please see these discussions: Talk:Ruhollah Khomeini#POV tag, Talk:Ruhollah Khomeini#Neutrality of Life under Khomeini section and Talk:Ruhollah Khomeini#Islamic government--Seyyed(t-c) 03:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tags for POV check and [[Ruhollah_Khomeini#Islamic_constitution_and_its_opposition|Islamic constitution and its opposition]] and  [[Ruhollah_Khomeini#Life_under_Khomeini|Life under Khomeini]]

message: The article Ebdulrehman Qasimlo says that Khomeini declared a "holy war" against the kurds.  Does anyone have a citation that article can use and is this accurately worded?  RJFJR (talk) 15:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurds