Talk:Amoy dialect

message: As one who grew up in Quanzhou, went to school in Xiamen, worked in Taiwan, and now continues to switch between the US and Xiamen, I know for a fact that Amoy is not considered a prestige dialect within the min nan language group.  No, I will not cite my sources, but neither did the one who claimed that Amoy was.  One could hardly say that Amoy has 10 million speakers (which was, once again, not cited).  The Xiamen region in itself has residents from all over the country, most of whom are from all over Fujian, as Xiamen is a city of major economic growth.  Amoy as a dialect is closely related to the Quanzhou dialect, with distinct Zhangzhou influences.  In general, the min nan spoken in even outlying regions of major cities may have tiny to large differences.  Most speakers of the min nan dialect residing in Fujian refer to it as the min nan dialect.  Linguists may try to define a "prestige dialect" (though none of those who are claimed to "widely regard" Amoy as the one are cited), but in the mind of min nan speakers, there is no "prestige dialect", although you will find that those from their respective regions will be largely biased towards their own as the better one.  Even if there was one, I could hardly see why Amoy would be it.  Read Prestige (sociolinguistics) for more reasons why.  For that reason, I have removed the remark from the article claiming that Amoy is "widely regarded" as the prestige language.  In the eyes of one who has grown up, lived, and interacted in Fujian and Taiwan, I believe this assertion to be made by someone with a very heavy bias towards his or her hometown.  Xiamen natives are very proud, and they have good reason to be, but it doesn't allow them to speak for the min nan speaking populace. -Luo Q.
===P.S.===
Google "Amoy prestige dialect".  You will find dozens of articles that have directly copied this Wikipedia page, including the line that Amoy is widely regarded as a prestige dialect.  It's sad how the opinion of one, unchecked (and uncited), can be ubiquitously regarded as fact, when it appears on Wikipedia. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
: Ironically, your opinion that Amoy is not the prestige dialect is also an uncited, unchecked opinion of one (you).  The wording "prestige dialect" is not my opinion (I'm the original author).  I copied it from The Ethnologue report for Chinese, Min Nan.  I didn't cite the statement because I didn't want to spend a lot of time citing every single statement in the article.  It would have been difficult to know at the time which statements would eventually be challenged.  However, I did include a references section, and the above link was (and is) included in the original draft.  For future reference, if you wish to challenge the wording in an article, you can place a  tag next to the questionable wording.  That way, you're not unintentionally impuning the motives of the original author of the statement.  -- A-cai (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article has no citations, and parts of its understanding of min nan as a language group are mistaken. 

message: Google "Amoy prestige dialect".  You will find dozens of articles that have directly copied this Wikipedia page, including the line that Amoy is widely regarded as a prestige dialect.  It's sad how the opinion of one, unchecked (and uncited), can be ubiquitously regarded as fact, when it appears on Wikipedia. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
: Ironically, your opinion that Amoy is not the prestige dialect is also an uncited, unchecked opinion of one (you).  The wording "prestige dialect" is not my opinion (I'm the original author).  I copied it from The Ethnologue report for Chinese, Min Nan.  I didn't cite the statement because I didn't want to spend a lot of time citing every single statement in the article.  It would have been difficult to know at the time which statements would eventually be challenged.  However, I did include a references section, and the above link was (and is) included in the original draft.  For future reference, if you wish to challenge the wording in an article, you can place a  tag next to the questionable wording.  That way, you're not unintentionally impuning the motives of the original author of the statement.  -- A-cai (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: P.S.

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122.109.171.138 (talk) 04:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for new Hanji-based Hokkien Wikipedia 

message: No, Amoy was never discussed on the Teochew talk page. While Min Nan might be broken up into separate languages, that would stop with Hokkien. No-one would claim that Amoy is anything but a dialect of Hokkien. kwami (talk) 17:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  move 

message: A number of pages related to this article (list here) need to be moved to another title or namespace per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Subpages, which says that we shouldn't use the slash character to indicate a hierachy, nor subpage.  I would reccomend they be moved to the Talk namespace as one of the subpages to this page.  71.200.39.246 (talk) 05:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what the point of those pages is, but they're not articles, and the naming conventions apply to articles. kwami (talk) 08:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But if they aren't articles, they shouldn't be in the article namespace.  The subpage feature has been disabled for the article namespace. (WP:SUB) 71.200.39.246 (talk) 15:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe they were sandbox pages? I'll ask Acai. kwami (talk) 20:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

text: The pages should not be deleted.  They are not sandbox pages.  The pages provide a way to present each respective section in various formats without the main article becoming overly bloated.  -- A-cai (talk) 12:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Moves Needed 

message: Differences between amoy and minnan variants has been moved to 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min_Nan
as it is more appropriate to list the different minnan variants there.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.73.10.66 (talk) 02:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences between minnan variants 

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