Talk:PlayStation 3/Archive 9

message: can anyone explain "SB" in system bandwidth? thanks. (copies of) the official specification sheets are all over the internet, but i can't find any explaination for this statistic. Also, some say that it's "less than" and some say it's "equal to" the figures in the article. --70.230.234.174 20:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found that "SB" is System Bus, but now I don't know if this is the IO part of the BIC or what. It's obviously slower and not part of the XIO (XDRAM IO) controller. How is the "system bus" different from "FlexIO"? Someone can look at these pages ,  pages 2 and 3, and , and try to figure out if this is just the IO or what. --Gatoatigrado 21:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sb 

message: Firstly there is "first available" on the page, which is essentially its release date. These dont mention the dates, just the month which is quite strange. Then there is a release date which quotes the japan or NA release. Please fix this Wtatour 20:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this, "first available" was intended to define the year the console was released (it's also what's being done on the Wii article). I moved the estimated dates to the Release Date(s) parameter. Kilgamesh 21:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release information 

message: I've reverted this article to the point it lost semi protection, and requested semi-protection. Reason: adding games that do not exist.HappyVR 15:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert - games in developement , request protection

message: I've added the release date info by region to the retail configurations box and removd it from the info box. Reason - I think it looks neater and makes sense. However I should change the title of the section from "Retail configurations and pricing" to something else I think. If you disagree veemently please revert and then discuss, otherwise please just discuss. Thanks.
Changed the section heading to 'retail configurations,price and release date'.HappyVR 00:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Release date

message: As this section now contains info relating to cooling I've tentatively changed the name to 'Power supply and other components'HappyVR 21:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Power subsection

message: While the subliminal blip is long gone now, there is proof of it.
Maybe this should be mentioned? Infinitys 7th 19:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say no. There is no context provided for the information. While it was there, I don't think it has any place in the article, as Wikipedia articles are not news reports. Dancter 20:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed with the no.  It was a fluke, just like the X on Cheney's face.  It was a simple error but people of course, even on that linked site, went crazy with speculation. LighthouseJ 16:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It was most likely due to them (theoretically) using a trial version of the Apple "Shake" program. But, it has since disappeared. MastrCake 07:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sony Uses Apples Logo. . .Needs a mention?

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Oppose. The Wikipedia policy at WP:NAME is clear.  We should use the "most common usage" spelling for an article title, meaning the spelling that a typical user would most likely search on.  There is plenty of precedent that the press routinely uses the spelling of "PlayStation 3" when discussing this product. .  See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) which has a specific example covering this exact issue (don't use all caps). --Elonka 13:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment To your first point, you can't exactly prove that people will more likely search for "PlayStation 3" instead of "PLAYSTATION 3". After all, people might use "Playstation 3" more than both. You just havn't proved it. Therefore, I would advise that you check your facts before putting it in a statement. MastrCake 07:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *Comment Not exactly. On their home page, the link that goes to the "PlayStation 2" page is all caps. However, along the left of the page, it is spelled "PlayStation 2" and not "PLAYSTATION 2" like on the home page. They also capitalized "SYSTEM" in "PSP SYSTEM". That is most likely to make it look more uniform. I think that if Sony wanted the PS3 logo to be uniform with all the other consoles, they would've made note of that. MastrCake 02:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *Since some time has passed without any objection to my proposal, I'm moving forward with adding a mention of the official trademark in the lead sentence. Dancter 17:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Never mind, it's been removed. Dancter 20:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *Update And hopefully to settle the debate over whether the all-caps spelling is official, here is a translation of an interview in which Kutaragi provides an interesting explanation of why. My oppose stance still stands, for the reason I have already given. Dancter 03:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *Comment That doesn't mean anything.  I just checked the systems I own and Dreamcast and PlayStation 2 are the only ones that don't have the name printed on the system in all caps.  We don't put articles under SEGA GENESIS, SUPER NINTENDO ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM, SEGA SATURN, NINTENDO 64, GAME BOY ADVANCE SP, SEGA GAME GEAR, XBOX, etc. Ace of Sevens 02:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment Sony's official press release here  has the company deliberately using PlayStation and PlayStation 2 with the first letter and middle lowercase for both the previous consoles, but when it comes to PLAYSTATION 3, the text reads in all capitals. The fact that Sony was quite deliberate when they did this means: It's not a font or lowercase issue, it's not a typo or a trademark issue either. It's the way Sony has deliberately placed the name, the same way as TOMY is also uppercase. Ex-Nintendo Employee 02:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *Comment: Not true, see for example . Mackan 16:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *Comment: The link you provided clearly states regarding the manual of style that "All capitals are used for acronyms and some trademarks such as IBM". Can you provide any proof that using the lower/upper combo actually is "totally in line" by providing some sort of official link that shows Sony themselves using lowercase letters for the PLAYSTATION 3 name? Given the fact that Sony's own press releases clearly show them using the all caps for the PS3 name and in the same press release the lower/upper cap comb for the PS1 and PS2 names, the guidelines you linked to would clearly show a need to move for this article to all uppercase. Ex-Nintendo Employee 05:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The Playstation 3 cannot be region coded for Blu Ray Disk movies in Australia. Is the Playstation 3 going to come from the factory to Australia as region free or is it going to come with instructions on how to unlock region coding? Or is it still going to be region coded? - lil_naruto
:I'm not sure where you got your information, but Australia was under Region B last time I checked. However, it may have changed to C since some charts now have it missing — "and all other countries". --Kamasutra 08:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but I don't know of any places where they're necessarily illegal. And who knows if there will be mod chips for such a thing any time soon. I highly doubt it would come with instructions to bypass it though. --Kamasutra 09:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: So how is it going to be sold in Australia? According to Australian laws, it must come in as multi-region or come with instructions on how to unlock it. -- lil_naruto —The preceding comment was added by 58.168.149.100 (talk • contribs) 08:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Region Coding 

message: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?day=17&month=11&year=2006&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p0=136 - thought this  might interest PS3 fans :) Wtatour 20:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: not appropriate for the article, as you know. thanks for keeping this on talk only. --Gatoatigrado 13:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  countdown till launch 

message: Taken from the edit summary "It adds nothing to the article, it takes up unnecessary space and to people without Japanese language support installed it's confusing. would for example adding Arabic script be relevant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mackan (talk • contribs) "
:Instead of reverting your edit, I'm taking the discussion here. Saying it takes up "unnecessary space" has nothing to do with it. And ofcourse we don't ad the Arabic to this article, but considering it's a japanese product, by a japanese company, located in Japan. I would see this is actually a nice part of the article. It shows the diversity of Wikipedia, and it's not like it's a link to the japanese website, some people might find that little tidbit og information nice. And arguing it only confuses people without the japanese language pack is not a problem seeing as there is a ? link next to it that will explain what they are about to see. I'm awaiting your comment on this Mackan. Havok (T/C/c) 12:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because 1. It dosn't hurt the article. 2. It's a japanese product. 3. Mostly all other consoles/games made in Japan, or with a Japanese counterpart has it. 4. It's a nice tidbit. And I honestly see nothing wrong with it. If the only arguments are "Takes up space", "People who havn't got Japanese language support can't see it" then there is no need for it to not be there. It actually adds to the article, dosn't dither it in any way. Havok (T/C/c) 13:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, you keep saying it "adds to the article", but could you be more specific what it is that it adds, exactly? As for the katakana, any speaker of Japanese would already be familiar with them so it's not for them. As for the romaji, the fact that Japanese people pronounce the title slightly different from the English pronouncation seems natural and not worthy of inclusion in the article.Mackan 14:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia might not be a democracy, but I have just as much right to edit in the Japanese name as you do removing it.  That is why we have "votes" on where the article is supposed to go, consensus rules if no policy is made for it. And I havn't seen any policy stating that the article can't have japanese information. I have allready stated my opinion on why it should be keept. Havok (T/C/c) 20:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Of course you do. But you have no actual arguments for its inclusion except for "it's nice" and "it doesn't hurt the article". And you won't even reply to my arguments.Mackan 01:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd again like to protest the "voting", I'd prefer a real debate instead of you saying "I think we should do it this way but I won't debate over it, instead I hope the majority will follow my lead". You're not willing to reach a concensus, you're just hoping you have an ill-informed majority on your side. Mackan 10:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please see . "Any Wikipedian may start a survey on any topic, but attempts to reach consensus are much, much, MUCH preferred, and should perhaps be followed even when it pains us most". "Consensus must be reached about the nature of the survey before it starts. Allow about a week for this process". I think you should familiarize yourself with that page. Mackan 10:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: "PlayStation" is not rōmaji, but "Pureisutēshon" is. The name of the console is presumably just derived from English. --Kamasutra 06:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are mistaken, "PlayStation" is romaji, romaji just means "roman letters" and I think you should re-read what I wrote above, (how CD and DVD, etc are commonly written exactly that way in Japanese text). "Pureisutēshon" is also romaji, yes, to be precise, it's a romanization of the katakan word プレイステーション. Mackan 10:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what rōmaji is and I don't believe I'm mistaken. You are taking a literal translation out of context. "PlayStation" is derived from English (obviously), it's not a romanization of a Japanese word (except possibly the one made from "PlayStation", but not in any romanization system I know of). However, this is beside your point which I clearly understood and I've seen many other examples as well. I had just thought I would let you know that you shouldn't refer to it as rōmaji. --Kamasutra 11:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Kamasutra, I should advise you that any notion of you "informing" me about the Japanese language is quite misguided from somebody who, according to their userpage babelbox, speaks no Japanese. I live in Japan and study normal university courses at a normal Japanese university and I previously majored in linguistics at UCL. Romaji doesn't mean "transliteration of Japanese word into Roman letters", romaji is the Japanese word for Roman letters ie the . PLAYSTATION is not a romanization of a Japanese word but it is romaji. I'm afraid that you indeed ARE mistaken. Mackan 13:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know little Japanese as I have only taken a single course aside from self-teaching, but nothing in my book, from my professor, or the rōmaji article supports what you are saying (except the literal translation). Because of this, you can imagine why I said what I did. If what you say is true, then I encourage you to contribute this knowledge to Wikipedia by making changes to that article. --Kamasutra 00:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would agree that the current article is unclearly worded, (in my opinion, the biggest problem is that romaji is a redirect to "romanization of Japanese", they're not the same exact thing). But just check the roman letters page in the Japanese wiki. One of the titles is romaji.Mackan 01:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Seeing as this was discussed before in the PlayStation 3/Archive5, and wasn't removed from the page. I see no reason to edit it out before the vote to keep it or remove it has been finished below. You also removed "The" which has been discussed on the Wii talk page and voted on here, which is re-added to the page. Havok (T/C/c) 11:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny that the vote you refer to ended 4-3 for removing the katakana. The fact that nobody followed through and removed it doesn't in any way say "ok, it should be in there", more likely that the people interested lost interest and forgot about it. And, as user:TRegal said in the previous vote: "Thankfully, wikipedia is not mob rule. The plurality does not always get their way but rather the person who has the most information valuable to the reader. Please tell me how including katakana for a romanji word is valuable to the readers of the article". You are still not responding to my arguments.Mackan 13:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "...considering it's a japanese product, by a japanese company, located in Japan. I would see this is actually a nice part of the article. It shows the diversity of Wikipedia, and it's not like it's a link to the japanese website, some people might find that little tidbit og information nice." It's also a nice bit of trivia. Nothing more to say, and this I have stated two times or so now? Havok (T/C/c) 18:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be unfamiliar with the word "debate". You are simply stating your opinion. That's not how Wikipedia works, please familiarize yourself with  . Please also note that this poll has not been carried out in a correct manner () and is therefore entirely pointless. Mackan 01:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't start this poll. And it seems even though this is not a valid poll, most people want this to stay in the article. Why do you then continue to want to remove it? Feel free to remove it from the article, but don't get mad when it is re-added or reverted. That's the thing about Wikipedia, even though it is not democracy, it is the people who work on the article who tend to maintain it, and they have their own vision for it, and what they want included. You are outnumbered in wanting to remove it, but again, feel free to do so. And stating my opinion is the only thing I can do, just as you state your opinion on it's removal. I feel this is a good thing to have in the article, you do not. There is nothing against having this in the article anywhere in the policy or guidelines. So why do you insist on removing it? Because you don't feel it has any place there, just as I feel it does. It's all about opinion. Havok (T/C/c) 12:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, you've got me. Discussing with you is like discussing against a wall of bricks. You refuse to respond to my arguments and suggest it's a question of opinion, like reasoning has nothing to do with it at all. I think it's to the detriment of this article but I don't want to waste more of my time over this, and I certainly won't be involved in an edit war, which you seem to invite me too (which I think says alot about your qualities as a Wikipedian...). Mackan 17:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, because that is exactly what I said.. Please become acquainted with WP:CIVIL as you have been told by others on your talk page. Because I do not see your points of view, I am the person that has no "reasoning". Why do you not see that this is actually something good for the article? And responding to your arguments? What have I been doing? You ask my why, I tell you why. And then you tell me that I am not answering. As you can see below, more people show support for this, are they to at fault here? Do their "reasoning" not count? I have yet to see any reason for this to be removed, your reason is in my book not valid, hence I will not support it. Simple as that. Just as you will not support what I am saying. Havok (T/C/c) 22:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Please motivate your vote. We are not simply tallying votes. Mackan 01:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a Japanese console.  Dionyseus 11:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, the result was not "overwhelming support for the Japanese name" 3 months ago as you suggest, the poll ended 4-3 in favor of removing the name.Mackan 01:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: True, it is used as well, but is that enough to include it? I think it DOES hurt the article because it clutters up the intro with unnecessary information. I am not opposed to including the Japanese name in general, in fact, I have added such to a large amount of articles on Japanese subjects. But in this case the name is the same in Japanese - the original title is no different from the English one so no clarification needs to be done. Mackan 01:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that it has been there for a long time is hardly a valid argument that it shouldn't be removed..! It seems obvious the inclusion of katakana should be the same for PS2 and PS3, but I don't want to get in a revert war with Havok (who after stating on the top of this discussion that he wouldn't revert my change, reverted it), which is why I haven't reverted this page. What are you trying to establish with your comment, make the debate more infected? I don't think the fact that it's short is a good argument for inclusion, the arabic name is probably not that long either. The only possible reason for including it is if the ORIGINAL name of the product is different from the one used in the States. It isn't.Mackan 03:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, by the way, the guideline on straw polls is just that, a guideline, not a policy. Havok (T/C/c) 12:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: — Wisq (talk) 01:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmm, I added that space, but that made it "run in" to the romaji (since they were only separated by a single space).  So I added a comma, which shows up fine in Konqueror, but looks funny in Mozilla.  Maybe it was better without the space, even if that was less correct (AFAICT). — Wisq (talk) 02:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should probably be kept to how the template makes it, as far as the comma goes, unless there is some special situtation with these words that shouldn't be made in general to the template. --Kamasutra 06:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese name 

message: I'm not sure if the rumour was confirmed, but I heard EVERYWHERE that your ps3 will only allow your game on the console, which means that you can not bring it over to a friends' house. I'll put this info in the article once I get back from work. -Dragong4
:: I've never heard of it, and (given the read-only nature of the optical disk media) it's close to impossible for that to happen. Unless you've got a linkable reference source, I would recommend against putting that in the article. Ex-Nintendo Employee 21:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have heard about it, yes. It got so strong Sony itself had to debunk it. -- ReyBrujo 21:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As of now, Sony has disbanded all console locking rumors, this might change by september in TGS, so no. --Xymor 22:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: This is the only article I've read about it. ~ Hibana 23:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The title of that article is wrong, it's potentially damaging to Sony, and it should be fixed immediately, it sounds like a tabloid headline.  Even in the article they admit that it was patented back in 2000 before the release of the PS2, and that Sony has repeatedly tried to blast these rumors.  Dionyseus 23:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found 4 or 5 sites, but I think this is the best one, because it includes a Sony representative comment. Note that Eurogamer also contacted Sony about the matter, and that Next Generation also did some research about it. -- ReyBrujo 20:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice find ReyBrujo.  So it seems that the tabloid The Inquirer is responsible for starting this false rumor.  This doesn't surprise me, The Inquirer is known for that kind of stuff.  Dionyseus 20:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  should we talk about how you can only play "your" games on the PS3? 

message: Someone just added Super Audio CD to the list of supported formats.  It seems plausible as the PS3 seems to have the necessary physical equipment and its a Sony-developed format, but I don't recall seeing this mentioned in any of Sony's press materials. Can anyone confirm/deny this? Ace of Sevens 13:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's been consistently indicated on the spec sheets, including the one in the Japanese E3 press release that is cited; but Sony never made a big deal about it, probably because next-generation audio CD formats never really caught on. The info has actually been in the article for a while, but only recently was the SACD thing added to the infobox. Dancter 14:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SACD?

message: The article states that the graphics were showcased by using devkits on current PC hardware; but isn't the power of the PS3 really much higher than anything a PC could currently produce? So how could a PC display the graphics in real time of games like Guns of the Patriots? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.23.51.27 (talk • contribs) 13:34, 16 July 2006  (UTC)
: It doesn't say that metal gear was produced on a pc - maybe someone changed it since. they could easily render it at a slower frames per second, and speed it up to what they expect the ps3 could do. however the metal gear trailers bragged that they were not prerendered, and they in fact gave a demonstration to a reporter, captured on tape, with live manipulations (the moving of the controller is actually not seen in the video, but it is improbable they could time the interview perfectly with the demonstration). the dev kits have been out for some time. also, a very high end apple g5 quad core might come close enough for some of the games. the graphics from resistance, fall of man improved, possibly because the early videos were from a pc and later ones from the playstation 3 dev kits. --70.237.121.64 04:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Showcasing graphics 

message: why on earth is the pic set to the Silver PS3, and the controller when they are only being launched in black?? Wtatour 11:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh dear god, not this again... Ex-Nintendo Employee 11:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Because this is the best free image we have available. -- ReyBrujo 11:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, if you want to read about the previous discussions about images, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. -- ReyBrujo 12:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: yeah, it's not impossible. it's not out yet. upload it if you do. or maybe if you want to write an email to sony they'll give permission for the image and it won't be fair use. the pictures convey the information necessary; there is no need to make this page a piece of "artwork" like something corporate. we're not here to sell the ps3, but to inform consumers. Do you think a note under the images would be appropriate? A silver ps3 has been mentioned as a possibility after launch anyway. --70.237.121.64 02:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tried that, and the image would still be copyrighted by Sony and useless to Wikipedia. They would have to release the images on GPL if we want to use it. Just leave the image as it is. Havok (T/C/c) 07:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How is this not fair use?  It would seem to be a pretty clear case to me. Ace of Sevens 07:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia basically says this: Any picture that we use from ANOTHER source (like a magazine, a press-release photo, or whatnot) is called "fair use". We can use it but we can't modify it. A free image, however, is one that one of US actually take and then put on here. Like the one that's currently up there at the moment. We can use it, modify it or whatnot. And according to Wiki, if a free picture exists, we have to use it instead of a fair use one. Ex-Nintendo Employee 07:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But no free image of the actual model exists.  i would think that would justify a fair use one. Ace of Sevens 07:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We have discussed this before, I have very much wanted to keep the fair use one, but if a free one exsists we must use that. If we want to use the fair use one, the difference would have to be monumental. And as it stands now, only the color is different. Havok (T/C/c) 07:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text:  "only the color is different" lol yeah, i made that point earlier. so a copyrighted with permission isn't better than fair use? why do we need to edit it? --70.226.93.228 17:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  A copyrighted with permission picture IS "fair use"... Ex-Nintendo Employee 17:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Even if they gave permission to Wikipedia to use the "stock" photos, it is very unlikely that Sony will grant the sort of copyleft license that would favor their use over the free images already avaiable to us. There are freely-licensed images of the black model (current revision) available, but I think quite a few editors were of the opinion that even with the color issues, the current image of the silver one was more informative, with better visual quality and more discernable physical detail. You are free contest that, of course, but I doubt anything will be brought up that hasn't already been mentioned many times before. Dancter 20:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Being a photograph doesn't immediately make the image any more or less free than a promotional shot.  We still need the image to be explicitly released in a free (Wikipedia-compatible) way by the copyright holder.  Personally, I also think that image is less informative, even if it's more accurate colour-wise. — Wisq (talk) 02:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Just a point, but if we allowed to edit the picture, why doesn't someone just photoshop it so it is black?  Most decent editing programs have texture addition features, so just use black and shiny or whatever. -- Gizzakk 18:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The license for the current image does allow it to be modified, so that is an idea. I have my doubts that it can be made to look like the black version, but people are free to try. Dancter 18:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silver PS3 Picture 

message: "Sony has also announced at last years E3 that PS3 would be an always on, always connected device, allowing you to connect to it to access your stored media via the internet" --70.226.93.228 17:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: a citation was added. very neat. --69.221.234.227 02:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what is this? 

message: repeat of dynasty warriors?
It might not be one though. 24.188.203.181 00:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dynasty Warriors: Way of the Swords 

message: no media, needs a playstation 3 link on wikipedia.
*Removed all said games until more info is released.
-74.33.11.34 09:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Atlus announce reported by gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/shinmegamitensei/index.html?q=megami%20tensei
--Xymor 23:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  okay, the wiki page is enough information I guess. --75.11.195.231 23:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shin Megami Tensei 

message: There is no confirmed console for it.
It states on the games page.
Konami wasn't sure which next-generation console it will be put out on but mentioned that it will be the best one, "be it PS3, be it Xbox 2 [sic]... It won't be on the current consoles."
Wikipedia acrticles are NOT for rumor or fan speculation. Stop adding Silent Hill to the list of games until it's confirmed.
-74.33.11.34 14:19, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silent Hill 5