Talk:New York Conspiracy of 1741

message: This article uses a direct quote from Gotham by Burrows and Wallace pg.160 and places it within quotation marks, but does not cite the reference. In any case, the part quoted is, I think, an incorrect assumption. Burrows and Wallace suggest that the nickname Oswego given to Hughson's tavern and underground fencing operation by NYC blacks was a reference to Oswego trading post on the Great Lakes. Perhaps. It is more likely the reference was to the Oswego Market on Broadway by Cedar St, which was itself named either in jest of the Indian post or more likely from the old English word meaning "swampy" (like the Oswego River in the Jersey barrens). The Hudson waterfront rather near Hughson's tavern was called Ellison's Dock but commonly called Oswego slip or the Swago Slip. Burrows and Wallace cite their sources only for whole sections so it is difficult to find their source for their statement, but I would think NYC criminals would be more aware of an open market ("Old Swago") 5 or 6 blocks from their dive than a trading post miles northward. More likely, a bar near the Oswego slip could easily take on the very name itself. Any thoughts?68.199.83.160 (talk) 00:30, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: All of the quotations should be sourced with inline citations.--Parkwells (talk) 14:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: I added a number of dates, inline citations and corrections to the material.  Don't know where the unsourced quotes came from.--Parkwells (talk) 16:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: This is generally a well written article, with a lot of interesting detail. However, I have some concerns about the statistics given; as you've probably heard, "there are lies, damn lies, and then statistics".  
: Early in the article the author asserts that “By 1741 slaves comprised one in five of New York's total population of 10,000” (Background, 1st paragraph). 
: It is later claimed that “At the height of the hysteria, half of the city’s male slaves over the age of 16 were implicated in the plot and jailed” (Trials, 2nd paragraph).
: Then in the final tally given he says that “By the end of the trials, 160 blacks and 21 whites had been arrested” (Trials, 7th paragraph). 
If slaves comprised one fifth of the population, that would mean there were roughly 2,000 slaves in the city. Therefore, it seems very unlikely that a mere 160 blacks, not all of whom were slaves, could constitute half the city’s male, slave population, over the age of 16. For the “half” claim to be true, I would think the number would need to be closer to 500 than 160. But it is also possible that women and children predominated among the slaves of NY in 1741.  Spamhappens (talk) 03:43, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
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