Talk:Peter J. Carroll

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It is past my bedtime. This entry in the Talk needs it own page. I came by it only because it is linked to Casualties of the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks: City of New York.
Thanks, this is so depressing. 
Paul, in Saudi
Note:  The comments above refer to an old version of this article which discussed a firefighter who died in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.  His article has been moved to Wikimemorial and this page made into a redirect.  Subsequently, the page was edited to be an article about a different man by the same name. Hence the confusion in the comment below. Rossami
:First, what does the above comment have to do with the author about whom this entry was written? Second, Ray Sherwin and a number of people were far more infulential in the beginning of chaos magic -- Carroll invented neither the term "chaos magic", nor the approach it represents, nor the IOT. He simply published the most popular book about it. I'm too lazy to correct it or flesh it out, so I hope some other chaote happens across this and feels inclined to make the changes. --M.C. ArZeCh 06:36, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: firefighter who died in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

message: :He coined the phrase "chaos magic" as a (sort of) defined magical current.
Pulled this sentence based on M.C. ArZeCh's comment above.  If he can reliably be credited with the invention of this term, please souce it and add the comment back. Rossami
Whether he was the first to include the words "chaos" and "magic" side by side in the same phrase is beside the point. It is beyond dispute that anyone contemporary involved with Chaos Magic acknowledges Carrol as the progenitor of the phrase whether they agree with his techniques or not. RSRC
--GeMLuRe 16:26, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes on the rewrite

message: To answer this question please see the question here on the Chaos Magic talk page. FK0071a 23:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chaos Magic term first used?

message: This article was recently nominated for deletion and speedily kept. It's certainly not appropriate to speedy delete it. —Hanuman Das 06:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: The text says:
*Born in Patching, England, Carroll studied science at the University of London and graduated with a "precisely calculated minimum pass".
This is a pretty bold claim. The source is Carroll making this claim in an interview. The prose reads as though a third party said this about him, though I can't find any who did. I believe that as per WP:Interview it should be made clear that this is a quote from Carroll himself. 
99.33.184.99 (talk) 20:27, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The citation clearly identifies the source. The title of the source makes it perfectly clear. Not sure why you would think it needs to be made even clearer! Skyerise (talk) 11:39, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As the prose stands, it isn't clear that Carroll is saying this, or the person interviewing him said this. It's also a pretty undue bit of trivia/weird bragging that doesn't tell us much about Carroll. Inline attribution for interview derived quotes help make these situations less ambiguous. A reader of Wikipedia isn't expected to read the source material to determine whether a statement is the result of research from a WP:RS or is an unproven claim. Would you object to a change that reads "While being interviewed, Carroll stated that..."? 99.33.184.99 (talk) 15:53, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you seen the source? Based on the title of the book it would not appear to be an interview. It's not clear to me who the book is written by. The listed author may actually be an editor. If you could please provide a quote from the source that would help. Skyerise (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Nevermind: the publisher is CreateSpace so it is self-published and not WP:RS. I'm removing it as a source, along with the quotation. Skyerise (talk) 16:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tall tale without attribution