Talk:Machina II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music

message: This article states "Near the conclusion of the Machina sessions, it was Billy Corgan's wish to release a double album of material, but Virgin Records was unwilling to do that following the disappointing sales of Adore."  I just heard an interview from November 29, 2000 in which Billy says it was due to poor sales of Machina/The Machines of God, rather than Adore.  I think I'm going to change this and cite it. Twineball 18:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor Sales of Which Album?

message: This quotation comes not from a press release from the band, but rather was written by the webmaster of the fansite spfc.org -- that writing was originally posted here, but has been edited, specifically to remove the "fuck you" portion, as the webmaster has been dismayed by exactly the sort of misattribution as was the case in this entry.  Thus I have removed the quotation from the entry, as it reflected not an official statement from the band but rather was the view of a fan. Jjb 08:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "'Fuck you' to a record label" quote

message: Shouldn't the track names here match those on the official Web site instead of a fan site? Machina II is available in its entirety on smashingpumpkins.com at http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/audio (which links to http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/audio_upload/audio/machinaii/) as of August 16, 2007. It is a bit confusing, though, because the track names contained in the MP3s here differ from the track names at http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/music_machinaII (e.g.: Slow Dawn vs. Slow Down) -- Christopher C. Parker t c 20:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is billy-corgan.com a fansite? -- Reaper  X 22:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The official site also lists track 8 of Gish as "Fristessa."  So I wouldn't give it any more credence.  Maybe if there are conflicts, side with the audio file list. -Werideatdusk33 01:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track Names 

message: Anyone object to bumping this article up to B-class?  I think it is definitely there - obviously, the tracklist and personnel sections could use better sourcing if thats possible, but i think the article is pretty complete (and the slow editing going on implicitly confirms this).  Objections?  -Werideatdusk33 07:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: B class

message: Billy Corgan hand-drew a diagram with a bunch of the Machina and Machina II songs that explains how they are thematically connected.  It was somehow released on the Internet and I have it on my computer.  I think it would be very helpful in both articles to demonstrate their "concept album" aspect and to better explain the flow of the songs and the creative genesis of the project.  I'd like to upload it but am unsure as to what licensing it is.  Does anyone know what I'm talking about, and, if so, what license? -Werideatdusk33 (talk) 19:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Machina Diagram

message: This isn't an issue with what the tracks are CALLED (I think they should be the same as what smashingpumpkins.com show them on the downloads page) but whow the "tags" are written. Is there any way of writing them clearer? It just seems a but cumbersome to have them written as [sometimes listed as...] or [sometimes tagged with...] or whatever it was that I put. I think maybe there should be a note somewhere explaining that the track listing names vary depending on it's download source. I would do that myself, but I'm not really that good with wording things sometimes. Pasta of Muppets (talk) 01:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track listing style 

message: Anyone object to adding music samples to the page? Pasta of Muppets (talk) 08:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music samples 

message: This section seems entirely composed of original research and should be deleted if appropriate sources cannot be found. 98.232.58.2 (talk) 01:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted the section that was pure speculation.  The statements that there are only 25 copies and that one was put up for sale at one point are not disputed nor original research. hbent (talk) 17:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Value 

message: My edits were reverted, I suppose if I explain my reasoning behind the edits, maybe they will be accepted.
For starters, the links to SP.com and Billy-Corgan.com are unavailable. I don't know about BC.com, it just has a link to download from MetroChicago.com, but SP.com hasn't hosted the album since the website re-launched a few months ago. If any links should be removed, it should at least be these two redundant links. I will remove those two now, and if no-one protests to the remaining link edits I will remove those too.
I included links to Eric Agnew's transfer and Thir13en's remaster of Q101, along with brief info about them. I also included SPIFC's transfer. All three are from Archive.org.
ThePumpkins.net download is sourced from Thir13en's remaster of Q101's transfer. MetroChicago.com dowload is sourced from Eric Agnew's transfer. Surely it is better to link to the original sources, with information about those particular transfers. It is better at least because the download options are far more flexible and of higher quality (FLAC, OGG and VBR MP3 compared to 192kbit/s at best) and also adding to the fact that downloading from SPIFC requires a membership.</br>124.177.104.225 (talk) 08:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Download sites

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thread_title:  Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011 

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