Talk:Cumbria

message: For information, the suppression of revert of today (about "ethnicity" statistics) are presently subject of debate on the French-speaking Village pump fr:Wikipedia:Le Bistro. Refer there if you want to understand what happened. --French Tourist 18:06, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: I'm surprised to see it listed as one of the most celtic areas of England. I just saw the BBC series Blood of the Vikings and it said penrith, cumbria, had some of the highest amounts of norwegian viking blood in Britian. Just looked at it on the map and although im no expert id say names like ulverston and millnthorpe, thursby, possibly Ullswater, threllkeld are very norse (thor). Also on the program it said some of the local dialect used norse words.....
so... whats going on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berserkerr (talk • contribs) 14:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Celtic is not a 'blood' categorisation.  There are lots of Viking names in Cumbria as there are Celtic names.  One does not detract from the other. Enzedbrit 01:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Celtic or Norse Cumbria?

message: Revision as of 14:41, 16 May 2006
 To-do list for Cumbria:
 edit - history - watch - refresh 
Summary history section with su-page at History of Cumbria 
Physical geography section, including geology, landscape, ecology and climate, with possible sub-page at Geology of Cumbria 
Tourism section, and possibly industry and culture sections as well, with sub-pages if neccesary 
Populate Category:Natives of Cumbria and remove the people from the places of intrest section - they don't mix very well! 
Turn the settlements section into a summary of the main towns and cities; the list goes on List of places in Cumbria 
Add icons to the places of interes list using Template:EngPlacesKey 
Populate Category:Villages in Cumbria 
Add photos to the Cumbria images gallery — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.225.32.225 (talk) 10:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography 

message: Please give some info on towns, e.g., what are the largest ones and if there are rail connections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.225.32.225 (talk) 11:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It keeps getting deleted because there is a section on towns already in the article Penrithguy 22:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but it isn't it important to know what the major settlements are though in order as it would make it easier. (Cokes360 16:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Towns

message: There seem to be many references to "Cumbrian" things which sound rather like they should be attributed to Cumberland. 
Examples include: 
Cumberland Wrestling not Cumbrian Wrestling
Cumberland Dialect not Cumbrian Dialect
Cumbria is a relatively new county and references to old traditions which have originally been placed as Cumberland don't automatically become Cumbrian! A Cumberland Sausage is still a Cumberland Sausage regardless of whether the county is Cumbria or not. I would suggest a few changes need to be made to correct these Cumbria / Cumberland references. --Neilajh 22:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Any such references I come across I'll make a point of changing them. Cumberland still exists, but the local authorities would have us believe otherwise. Arcturus 14:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The sausage is Cumberland, the dialect is Cumbrian, the wrestling is Cumberland & Westmoreland. Now I'll hoy this back to you. Charles Matthews 09:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its Westmorland not Westmoreland Penrithguy 18:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cumbria vs Cumberland

message: the figures on this article are a bit odd - they don't add up. the total population is less than all of the districts added up, both sets of figures from this article. The actual town stats as well appear to be unreferenced, and are different to what a source says - that source being the Cumbria Fire and Rescue Service Website - this is at http://www.cumbriafire.gov.uk/services/operations/default.asp. By clicking on the statiions for the area, then clicking on the towns on the map, one can find the populations for the towns. Thanks, Stwalkerster talk review 12:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Figures 

message: Something is wrong somewhere; on this page it says the population of Workington is 25,000, but on the Workington page it is about 10,000 more, which would place Workington higher on the list at 4th instead of 5th. Anyone have the exact figures so we can check this? Enton 11:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More to the point, Keswick isn't on the top 12 list, but I'm fairly sure it has a population greater than 3000 (the lowest on there). -Riedquat 11:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Populations

message: Being a local I have noticed that Egremont is missing from the list of most populated settelements.
Its population according to http://cumbriacc.gov.uk/nbforumdata/cumbria/Forums.asp?ForumID=405§ion=1
Is around 7970...
Im not confident that i can edit this page without making a mess so perhaps somebody else should try. 82.71.58.120 14:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egremont 

message: This article focuses on Cumbria, the modern political entity, and fails to address in any detail the history and signficance of the pre-existing usage of the name Cumbria, though the article does allude to that older and broader meaning of the term. In fact, Cumbria is akin to Wales and Cornwall as one of the last areas of self-rule for the Britons and is very important for linguistic, archaeological and genetic studies. There is currently no Wiki article to discuss this older historic use of the term, and I believe that one is needed. It's certainly what I was looking for when I came across this site. Also, that would be the place where the Celtic/Nordic/Anglo-Saxon influence discussion could be explored more effectively. (Hint: Many different peoples can contribute to the same region. One might be dominant politically, another economically, another genetically, another linguistically, another religiously, etc. But each of them have descendants who squabble over their legacy in the most petty terms in the 21st century.) Ftjrwrites (talk) 18:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pointless trying to categorise Cumbrians into Celtic / Anglo-Saxon or Norse. If you asked one which one they were they would look at like you were mad and reply that they were Cumbrian / English / Borders or British.GordyB (talk) 00:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation needed 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:EH icon.png

message: Surely the Cumbric language should be mentioned somewhere here? It was a distinct language centred on Cumbria until at least the 12th century. Certainly part of Cumbria's history.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.134.37 (talk) 23:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the article, it is mentioned.GordyB (talk) 23:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cumbric language

message: Hi, sorry, i'm new to wiki, so please pardon me if i haven't done this correctly.
I noticed the motto for Cumbria as shown in the Escut_Cumbria.png reads 
AD NONTES OCULOS LEVAVI, i lifted my eyes to the mountains.
Other websites show ad montes.
An enquiry about the spelling of sent to the source of this image resulted in the host site changing the spelling to MONTES.
If this is the correct spelling of the motto, should the image be sourced again? Binders (talk) 19:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cumbrian motto in Escut_Cumbria.png 

message: The coordinates need the following fixes:
* Write here
Currently gives location in Morpeth Northumberland
217.44.186.187 (talk) 18:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. --David Edgar (talk) 17:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinates 

message: Jesus, the timeline reads like a catalogue of disasters! Can someone add some balance with positive events from the last 30 years? I don't know Cumbria well enough to have anything off the top of my head, but some Cumbria experts must know plenty that can be added? pomegranate (talk) 13:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depressing timeline 

message: Where did the 'official' flag come from? As far as I was aware Cumbria had no official flag. I'm a Cumbrian and have never clapped eyes on what is at the top of the page or what is shown in the local government website article which the file links to.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.155.194 (talk) 21:25, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I live here too and "azure a cross argent" seems to be increasingly used as the Cumbrian flag. Surely the banner of the county council arms is the flag of the council, not the county itself. Opera hat (talk) 20:36, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: Workington A.F.C. should not be stated as Workington Reds.  We are "the reds" but we use our Sunday best name here, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.106.220.86 (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Football

message: Can we please add a picture of Carlisle castle to this page, as it is a fantastic land mark! what about dixon's chimney.
David.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doxodeal (talk • contribs) 21:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carlisle Castle! 

message: I moved the following links here from the EL section. These might serve as good sources for article content but they are not appropriate for the external links section:
*e-architect Cumbrian architecture, information on key buildings.
*Visit Cumbria Tourism Guide to Cumbria with over 1,000 information pages.
* Solway Country: Land, Life and Livelihood in the Western Border Region of England and Scotland
Jojalozzo 14:15, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate external links 

message: I propose deleting this section, both because it is a stub and because the actual event was relatively insignificant: I can't be certain due to lack of references, but based on the description and the phrase book linked this  is the event referred to, with the section on the Cumbria article presumably being written in the 2000's. As noted in that much better sourced section, the attempt wasn't particularly successful and as such isn't notable enough to deserve such a prominent spot on this article. While this could be partially remedied by moving it further down the page, the lack of success with said revival suggests that it is much better to remove the section and leave it to be covered on the Cumbric article in much better detail instead. DiggingLake (talk) 13:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Its been over a week without any other comments, so WP:Be Bold I guess DiggingLake (talk) 07:56, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celtical Revival Deletion 

message: Something interesting that I read while checking common use for Lancashire Over the Sands vs Lancashire North of the Sands was that despite how Cumbria was only created in 1974, there must be some common basis for the county since it has survived intact since then: specifically, that "Cumbria is the only one of the new counties that were established in the early 70s that has stood the test of time".http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/sense_of_place/prog_1.shtml While I'm not certain if this is notable enough to actually include in the article (personally I'm inclined to say yes, but I'm open to counter-arguments), I thought it important to point this out in the context of discussions on this page. A lot of the arguments above seem to argue which parts of Cumbrian heritage are actually specific to the subdivisions, but its equally important to remember that if the region that is now the County of Cumbria didn't share a common heritage then it probably wouldn't have remained intact as an administrative and cultural unit. DiggingLake (talk) 13:33, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually that is not strictly true as the Metropolitan counties that were formed in 1974 still exist though they no longer have county councils as does North Yorkshire (though its boundaries are now different to 1974) and the "new counties" of Cambridgeshire, Suffolk and Lincolnshire. Penrithguy (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: First, Cambridgeshire, Suffolk and Lincolnshire aren't new counties: they are old counties reformulated with adjusted borders. Apparently,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_England the new counties were Avon, Cleveland, Cumbria, Hereford and Worcester, and Humberside: out of these, only Cumbria wasn't abolished in 1996 (Avon was split into 4 unitary authorities, Cleveland's boroughs became unitary authorities and the rest was annexed by other counties, Hereford and Worcester split into separate counties for Hereford and Worcester, and Humberside was split into 4 unitary authorities). DiggingLake (talk) 08:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

text:  In addition, as you pointed out, the Metropolitan counties lost their county councils in 1986 so they haven't really withstood the test of time: if the local districts had been rearranged then that is one thing, but a removal of county-level government pretty much makes the county obsolete as a local government unit in my opinion (instead, just being a umbrella for local government units to cooperate within). North Yorkshire is also another county that isn't really new, but just a reformulation of an old or existing county. DiggingLake (talk) 10:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last survivor of the new Counties created in early 1970's 

message: I've removed this person from the list of notable people, since I was unable to find anybody with this name and title. Anyone else ever heard of him, and have references for why he is notable enough for inclusion here? DiggingLake (talk) 14:47, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sir Christopher Cosgrove 

message: The choice to list both John Woodcock and Rory Stewart as independents in the politics section seems odd to me as neither of these men ever won an election as an independent. The way the section is organised at the moment may give readers the false impression that these MPs were independent for their entire time as MPs and so I suggest that the section be changed to show Rory Stewart as Conservative and John Woodcock as Labour. CumbrianCorrector (talk) 12:03, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Woodcock and Rory Stewart listed as independent in the politics section? 

message: According to the American Heritage Dictionary and the OED (as quoted by Lexico), Cumbria was the name of an ancient British or Celtic kingdom, but this article doesn't even mention that. According to Collins, the word was used quite often in writing in the 1700s. Espoo (talk) 09:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingdom of Cumbria 

message: Why does it have to be Triathlons It should just by Triathlons to link to that article with no need for the extra  . My edit to that effect has been reverted, but I am not getting into an edit war. --Bduke (talk) 11:48, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Triathlons

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: Given that Cumbria will be abolished in 18 months' time, perhaps pages should be set up for the new areas: Cumberland (distinct from the traditional county) and Westmorland and Furness? 82.42.200.65 (talk) 20:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually best to wait till they officially become abolished as then it will be official. Until then these districts and boroughs are still in existence. DragonofBatley (talk) 21:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New pages for replacement Unitary Authorities 

message: Where this page discusses population density, a source such as [] might be useful. This shows the way that Carlisle is a city in the middle of a very sparsely populated area, whilst the West Cumbrian towns together present a higher population density, which the article currently ignores. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 12:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population density 

message: According to the infobox the ceremonial county and the non-metropolitan county have different populations and different areas, even though they have identical boundaries. These figures need reconciling.  Dr Greg  talk  21:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two different populations 

message: FYI: :Commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Edit-warring to remove_Cumbria from geographical categorization?
Should '<foo> in Cumbria' be replaced with '<foo> in Westmorland'?  Andy Dingley (talk) 15:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Cumbria from categorisation at Commons? 

message: @A.D.Hope, thanks for your edit, but what is the 'standard' format for a lead demography/government para? - BobKilcoyne (talk) 03:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally speaking, the lead demography/government paragraph covers the current administrative situation and borders, rather than their history. Some counties, particularly the post-1974 ones, mention when the county was formed at the end of this paragraph (e.g. Tyne and Wear). Otherwise, this information is generally mentioned in the third paragraph, which covers history, or is left to the article body. A.D.Hope (talk) 10:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you - BobKilcoyne (talk) 04:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Standard' format for lead demography/government para