Talk:Timeline of 21st-century Muslim history

message: I am outraged someone would change the Islamically significant description of the War in Iraq, as it related to the Sunni Musil, Shi'a Muslim and Kurdish populations in exchange for a politically charged statement.  The sections on Islam were removed, in place of "no Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found," which, true or not, has nothing to do with Islam.  Do not change it again.
:* Go read the timelines for the 7th-20th centuries. They all detail POLITICAL and HISTORICAL events in the Muslim World (wars, the rise and fall of empires and regimes, etc.) that do not necessarily have anything to do with Islam. The war in Iraq is no different. If you think only "Islamically significant" events should be listed, then go delete all the events you deem Islamically insignificant from the previous timelines (good luck). Furthermore, the description is not "politically charged", it simply lays out the essential facts in a succint manner. The main justification put forth for the war was that Iraq had WMD. It is now apparent that Iraq did not have WMD. These are facts. I have not said "Bush lied", or "the United States used WMD as a pretext to invade Iraq"; I've included only factual statements. Issues related to Saddam favoring Sunnis and the war leading to greater influence for Shias and Kurds, etc. are largely peripheral. Even if your assertion that only "Islamically significant" events should be mentioned, I fail to see how this information is "Islamically significant". Saddam himself was a staunch secularist. He favored Sunnis only because Sunnis were a distinct political faction and he was from that political faction. They may as well have been Africans for all it matters. Islamic identity or Sunni/Shia doctrine had nothing to do with the Ba'athist regime's autocratic policies. And Kurds are not even a religous sect anyway; Kurdish is an ethnicity, not a religion. What's important is noting that a war was fought, the reason why it was fought, and the aftermath of the war in the context of the reason why it was fought.
:** Political and Historical events are certainly important, however, this is not the proper venue for political debate and revisionist history.  The primary goal of this timeline is to show how events have affected the Islamic community.  Do not edit the information on the Iraq War again.  If you wish discuss the justification and aftermath of the invasion of Iraq, there are more than enough pages on Wikipedia to do so. 153.104.16.114 17:37, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *** The jury is still out on how the Iraq War has affected the Islamic community; just as you have focused on how the war apparently evened the balance of influence between the three main factions in the country, I can focus on how the War created a dangerous and volatile situation on the ground, strengthened terrorist groups, increased distrust and hostility towards the US in the Muslim World, etc. But such commentary would be POV, just as yours is. These things are subjective by their very nature, which is why it's important to focus only on facts. Your explanation is not convincing; the old information will go back up. User:BalancingAct 11:22, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

text: **** My description is from an Islamic Historical point of view, not a secular partisan point of view.  The bottom line is there is a choice between a descriptive analysis, related to the context of this timeline, and a short statement meant only to spark political arguments.  Do not change the information again. 153.104.16.114 17:43, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

text: ***** As I said, the jury is still out on what the objective effects of this war will be. And I don't know how you decided that discussing the balance of power between the Sunnis, Kurds, and Shias is related to the context of this timeline but discussing the reason for the war is not. An objective description of a war should stick to the facts, not toe the pro-war line. I'm changing it back; don't change it again untill you're willing to discuss a compromise. User:BalancingAct 14:45, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

text: ****** The purpose of this timeline is not to justify or debunk any war.  My description outlines the impact on the local Islamic community, the other description invoked partisan political debate.  I have the NPOV rules of Wikipedia on my side, what do you have on yours besides blind conviction? 153.104.16.114 02:26, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

text: ******* Okay, so if we want to talk about the war's "impact on the local Islamic community" then why focus on these effects? Why not note how the war has lead to such a volatile security situation in Iraq, how terrorist groups have been strengthened by it, how distrust and hostility towards the United States have increased in the Muslim World because of it, etc.? Those are all pretty significant ways in which the war "impacted the local Islamic community". Why only highlight how the balance of power between the various factions has been evened (which in itself is debatable; Iraq doesn't even have a constitution yet and its government is far from stable)? The fact of the matter is that there's no objective reason to focus on this one factor to the exclusion of all others. Toeing the pro-War line does not make your description neutral. Also, it would be helpful if you explained exactly how you feel Wikipedia's NPOV guidelines support your point, rather than just stating that they do. BalancingAct 00:48, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  2003: War in Iraq 

message: Linnwood, please refrain from editing the section on the Iraq War until the mediation has been completed. 153.104.16.114 16:13, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation Pending 

message: Is anyone else worried that this page, given its completely arbitrary curation, is manifesting itself as an inherently biased view of what constitutes encyclopedic "history" of Muslim society, culture, and politics?  Looking at the complete gap between 2014 and 2018 should give anyone pause.  Are we as Wikipedians suggesting that nothing of note happened in the Muslim world for three straight years?  I would back anyone's proper nomination of this to just be deleted. - Wacomshera (talk) 02:14, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worries