Talk:Super Mario 64/Archive 1

message: The N64 launched with Super Mario 64, PilotWings 64, and Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire, right?  I changed the first sentence to "one of the first games released for the Nintendo 64". pie4all88 23:20, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In the US, it launched with just SM64 and Pilotwings, and the Star Wars game followed a few months later. Everyking 00:05, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some anonymous user changed it to the first, but that seems to have be forgotten in all the vandalism that comes of being a front page article. I'll fix it. --Carl 02:36, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Note

message: I think you stripped far too much from the Rumors section, and the other sections. Please put some back. This is a featured article, remember. Andre (talk) 22:42, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
:Indeed. I thought the elaboration on "L is Real 2041" was especially interesting. --Poiuyt Man talk 23:44, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wild, unsourced speculation along the lines of "Some have suggested that in the year 2041 Nintendo will unveil the secret" and "many have thought that in a Bowser stage, where Bowser's flames give off coins, this could be possible, although nobody has managed to get more than 1000 coins" is not informative. Fredrik | talk 11:11, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing cruft 

message: Please keep them. They aren't an attempt to lengthen the page - they provide useful information and exposition. Andre (talk) 03:37, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
:Indeed. Link (Legend of Zelda) is different because the enemies and allies can be described in other articles, but we really don't need a separate article for the courses. Unless we create a page called "Courses in Mario games", which on the other hand would be an interesting topic in itself. Fredrik | talk 11:14, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Courses 

message: The beta version image is preferable to the Dire, Dire Docks image. First, the original image was placed in the "Courses" section, but there are too many images to fit comfortably in that section, so it got "shoved" downwards into the Development section. It is more relevant in the Development section. Second, the Docks image being older or being in a featured article doesn't necessarily make it best. Articles don't become frozen after they're featured; if the article can be improved, it should be. - Evil saltine 01:58, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beta image 

message: Here's the full list of images of this game:
* :Image:Super Mario 64 box cover.jpg
* :Image:Super Mario 64 jumping.jpg
* :Image:SuperMario64--N64--Screenshot.jpg
* :Image:SuperMario64--N64--Screenshot2.jpg
* :Image:SuperMario64--N64--Screenshot3.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 bowser tail.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 whomp fortress.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 lethal lava land.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 shifting sand land.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 metal.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 flying.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 invisible.jpg
* :Image:Mario64 - Dire Dire Docks.png
* :Image:L is Real 2041.png
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 cool cool mountain.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 diving.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 kicking.jpg
* :Image:N64 Super Mario 64 start.jpg
* :Image:Super mario64 02.jpg
* :Image:Yoshimario64.jpg
* :Image:Lakitu cameraman SM64.png
We should delete those that serve no purpose for this article. Fredrik | tc 02:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: When did this happen? (Guyinblack25 talk 14:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It happened after A Link to the Past decided to go with with the usual "merge without discussion/consensus". The Prince (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After doing some digging, I've found some sources for the reception and development sections of the DS game. The development isn't anything too in-depth, but I'd say it's enough to warrant a section. I still have a few sites to check so I may find some more. Any objections to splitting it back out? (Guyinblack25 talk 17:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would not be surprised if there were enough material for a separate article. Pagrashtak 18:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I support it. SM64DS is definitely notable enough for it's own page. The SM64 article should be reverted back again once the split has been done, though. The Prince (talk) 18:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of it is from Super Mario 64 2. Quick question, what's the difference between Super Mario 64 2 and Super Mario 128? If they are related, perhaps the two should be merged. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think they are quite the same thing why they are both mentioned as sequals to 64 Mario 128 was never mentioned to be for the 64DD implying that they were two sperate unreleased products. --76.71.215.109 (talk) 17:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I recreated the DS article from the redirect. It looks like it could make GA, so I'll try to rewrite and expand on it more later. But at the moment, this article needs some attention for Version 0.7. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  SM64 DS merger 

message: Someone (using an IP address) added that this game will be re-released for the "New Play Control!" line of Wii games. The New Play Control! page has also been updated with this information (by a separate IP address user). Is this true? A quick Google search turned up nothing to confirm this, and it doesn't seem to fit, as "New Play Control!" games are all former GameCube games, not N64 games. -Sesu Prime (talk) 10:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be removed now. Thanks for bringing it to the talk page. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Play Control! version? 

message: According to Dylan Cuthbert of Q-Games in this documentary, some programming elements done for Star Fox 2, such as the camera and platforming programs, were adapted and reused for the development of Super Mario 64. Should this info be included in the article? Parrothead1983 (talk) 02:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Fox 2 

message: I think the use of images that are obviously from an N64 emulator cannot possibly be justified here. The page is about the N64 version and thus the graphical capabilities (or rather limitations) should be noted, not those of a higher resolution version. HolyB144 (talk) 13:21, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you can tell whether or not they are from an emulator. It doesn't matter either way. The game would still have the same graphics. Emulators don't magically make the graphics better just because they are on your computer. Blake (Talk·Edits) 13:57, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Emulator Screenshots 

message: In Impact and Legacy, there should be a brief reference to the Paper Mario L is Real theory. It was noted in many gameing websites. 
Whatamidoingtoday (talk) 17:07, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 17:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: User unlikely to do so, he is indefinitely blocked. Salvidrim (talk) 18:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from , 6 October 2011 

message: Hi! I was searching through a fansite when I found a page discussing "Super Mario FX"...
http://www.snescentral.com/article.php?id=1032 - http://www.webcitation.org/6B3583nxh
The Super Mario 64 article uses this IGN article (Archive) as a source, but the above site argues that IGN likely had sourced it from an interview with Shigeru Miyamoto in a Nintendo Power issue (Archive) (I can't tell exactly which year and day it is) but that IGN got what the interview said wrong. The IGN article does not say where it got its information.
: "If you read the IGN page, it is obvious that they were looking at the above article (which mentions the five year development schedule). The only problem is that if you actually read the article, it simply states that he got the idea for making a 3D Mario game while making Star Fox (which was in development five years previous to the publication of the article), not that he was actually developing a Super FX Mario game. Nintendo announced Project Reality in August 1993 - only a half a year after the initial release of Star Fox. It is implausible that Miyamoto would work on a Super FX Mario game while also working on the Nintendo 64 hardware."
So he proceeded to contact Dylan Cuthbert on Twitter, and got this: http://twitter.com/#!/dylancuthbert/statuses/165596909413728256
*Fansite operator: "I'm researching unreleased SNES games, was a game called "Super Mario FX" ever in development?"
*Cuthbert: "no, that was the internal code name for the FX chip"
So that means that the name "Super Mario FX" has nothing to do with Super Mario 64, and that the IGN source is faulty, correct?
WhisperToMe (talk) 04:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I just informed the fansite owner of this discussion, to show him that I am initiating this discussion after reading the content on his site. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since there was no further input I went ahead and did the edits. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuthbert: "Super Mario FX" was never in production

message: Why isn't the Nintendo DS on the platform list?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joruto (talk • contribs) 10:41, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Platform List

message: Reference #50, the link to GamePro's article on games.net is dead, and should be marked as such.
Derektom14 (talk) 05:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 27 June 2012 

message: There is a current discussion going on here Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Discussion about how Soundtracks, and audio are presented in the articles. Other users wanted to start a discussion on it, and the results will effect this page also, so if your interested please contribute to the discussion. (Floppydog66 (talk) 07:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Soundtracks and audio

message: I stumbled across an interesting quote that neatly summarized the game's legacy. I'll leave it here in case anyone wants to incorporate it into the article, or just so you can read it.
CaseyPenk (talk) 17:44, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting quote 

message: Even though this is a featured article, shouldn't there be more about the sound track? Perhaps with a few samples? JACOPLANE • 2008-02-13 18:28
:Technically, if the content isn't reported on by a reliable source, then it isn't notable enough to be included in the article. Music and soundtracks in video games are not always required for comprehensiveness unless it was well received, done by a famous composer, or something else notable. Though it would certainly help round out the article. I'll see what I can find out and hopefully add it in. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If information about the soundtrack is needed, I suggest VGMdb and, specifically, Super Mario 64 original soundtrack page: http://vgmdb.net/album/137. The data there is as correct as can be, I have a copy of the album. The page has full scans of the booklet and all that is needed including composer info, tracklist and release date. Jousto (talk) 23:30, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Music

message: Paragraph 2, 1st sentence:  "As one of the first three dimensional (3D) platform games, Super Mario 64 features free-roaming analog degrees of freedom, large open-ended areas, and true 3D polygons as opposed to two-dimensional (2D) sprites."
"features free-roaming analog degrees of freedom" - I have no idea what this means.
"large open-ended areas" - 'Large' is fairly subjective and 'open-ended' I disagree with. The areas in Mario 64 are definitely finite in terms of game-play objectives and geometry.
"true 3D polygons as opposed to two-dimensional (2D) sprites" - True 3d polygons are indeed featured, but so are sprites (You have a picture of some further down the page!)  To say 'as opposed' is misleading.
Ultimately this sentence is supposed to act as a lofty intro to Mario 64 but when scrutinised contains no meaningful information. I would edit it myself but feel that I cannot do justice to the article nor the game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christuborg (talk • contribs) 18:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Every single "world" has boundaries to it, which the player cannot venture beyond. This is also true of the courtyard and the area around the castle. Even when flying, if you try to move past the boundary, you'll get bounced back by an invisible wall. So, no -- there are no "open-ended" areas. Source: playing the game.76.113.25.252 (talk) 06:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I had seen that myself just recently.  I was surprised because there are a lot of sprites even just in the world itself, such as all trees being flat, and everything that's supposed to be a sphere actually being a circle.  I hope I corrected it adequately. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 02:57, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Key sentence factually incorrect, misleading and nonsensical 

message: I am going to put the sub headings back on. why the hell. the article is good at that point. it's best at that! 72.181.218.180 (talk) 16:38, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Your subheadings are non-standard and sound like a game guide. "Advanced Mechanics" and "Power-Ups" are really not encyclopedic. Andrevan@ 16:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: These headings are really unnecessary. There's no need to separate into subsections. Only saying "the article is good at that point" is not a strong argument to including them. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:07, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh. I guess I should agree with that. I though that adding sub-headings made enough sense, but I guess i was wrong. I'm sorry for adding the sub headings, and making a doubled message. that was a network incident. 72.181.218.180 (talk) 16:36, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone's Deleting my SUB HEADINGS! 

message: Firstly, can anyone even prove the plaque reads "L is Real 2041"? I saw gibberish. But people will see anything if they look hard enough. If it says "L is real", which, to be perfectly honest, I don't think it does, then it was a joke, that the game's designers obviously thought would never be found. Did I hear something about "L is real 2401" or "2401 Eternal Star" in Legend Of Zelda? Any information will be helpful. Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 15:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All the reliable and verifiable information we have is in the article. Please see the Rumors section. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Removed speculative comments leaning towards an internet forum discussion. (Guyinblack25 talk 22:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  L is Real 

message: Super Mario 64 is now available on the Wii U Virtual consolehttp://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04/01/nintendo-64-and-ds-games-coming-to-wii-u-virtual-console
. The article should be updated to reflect this.
Lionelbee (talk) 00:31, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii U Virtual Console 

message: There's a Miyamoto interview in the Feb 1996 issue of Next Generation (magazine) that might be useful for the dev section.  czar ⨹ 19:54, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miyamoto interview 

message: 2A02:A03F:AA:2C00:8C1F:EB6C:570E:1E15 (talk) 21:16, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 22:28, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2015 

message: I suppose I should ask before boldly doing this: would :Category:Super Mario 64 be appropriate? It could contain Super Mario 64, Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario 128, and Pannenkoek2012. I could imagine that such a category would be particularly useful if something like Whomp's Fortress would get its own article (though that currently seems out of reach, knowing the sources...) Thoughts? ~Mable (chat) 14:13, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Super Mario 64'' category

message: I think that we should mention that Super Mario 64 turned 20 years old today in the article, don't you think?
Source(s):
http://venturebeat.com/2016/06/23/super-mario-64-turns-20-and-is-still-one-of-the-greatest-3d-games-ever/
http://www.highsnobiety.com/2016/06/23/super-mario-64-best-game/
http://www.redbull.com/en/games/stories/1331801788155/super-mario-64-anniversary-quiz
http://fortune.com/2016/06/23/nintendo-64-20-years-old/
http://culturedvultures.com/best-n64-games-time/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/n64-turns-20-remember-heartbreak-gave-article-1.2683952
https://theringer.com/lil-yachty-super-mario-nostalgia-dfc28405c430#.6e7z796rq
https://web.archive.org/web/20160623193652/https:/twitter.com/search?q=super+mario+64&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:147:8400:7100:B048:947E:6860:181A (talk) 19:54, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No. WP:NOTBLOG WP:NOTNEWS — Smuckola(talk) 22:48, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the sources could give useful content, though. I mean, the reliable ones, like VentureBeat and NYDailyNews (despite the fact that the former doesn't even seem to know the difference between Super Mario 64 and the Star Road mod, seeing the top image :p). Anyway, thanks for linking the sources. Probably nothing particularly useful in them, but still :) ~Mable (chat) 11:26, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Mario 64 turned 20 years old today! 

message: On September 2016, Shmuplations has recently translated a bunch of Japanese Super Mario 64 Dev Interviews into English: http://shmuplations.com/mario64/ Yoshiman6464 (talk) 04:05, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There doesn't seem to be a source. The interviews are awesome, but we at least need to know where that were originally published :s ~Mable (chat) 23:25, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Recently Translated 1996 Developer Interviews

message: 41.96.199.78 (talk) 16:29, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not requested a change.Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:11, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2017 

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message: The first paragraph of the development section seems somewhat confusing. It states that a game titled Super Mario FX was in development for the SNES and continues on that train of thought, but then a few sentences later there's the revelation that Super Mario FX, at least the title, was referring to the Super FX technology and was never actually a game. So does that mean that this game was never in development for the Super NES? --Deathawk (talk) 03:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Super Mario FX?

message: Super Mario 64 is on the best games page on this website so why don’t one of you guys edit the page so when you click on the last words you get redirected. You know what they say “if you say it you need to prove it” Bobbywall03 (talk) 14:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect to the best games list when it says “one of the greatest and most revolutionary games of all time” 

message: Could this be worth mentioning? Playing Super Mario 64 increases hippocampal grey matter in older adults --Kigsz (talk) 19:17, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new study regarding Super Mario 64 

message: Hey guys I am doing a WP:FAR because the FA standards have long since exceeded and I am afraid that this article didn't catch up--I love rpgs (talk) 19:48, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article Review 

message: Delete: ,so many people are now tying this connection to the "L is real, 2401" Mystery for formalitty. RockfordRoe (talk) 05:22, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . Not only that, but the whole paragraph had issues, so I killed all of it.  In a bit more detail, the (not particularly reliable) source isn't even clear if it's talking about some sort of unreleased version or what.  Especially considering the game had already been decompiled with no reports, it might be reasonable to infer that, but unless a source comes along that actually knows what it's talking about and isn't just spreading rumors, best to just leave it out for now. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2020 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :L is real 2041. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 30#L is real 2041 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  O.N.R. (talk) 03:05, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "L is real 2041" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Are we comfortable using Twitter for a source in this article? This is a featured article. 
I find WP:TWITTER confusing. It says:  (emphasis preserved). Does that mean we shouldn't use it for claims about Mario games? Popcornfud (talk) 10:02, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twitter source