Talk:List of Virtual Console games (Europe)

message: There are two games i have found that are on both the available games list, and the expected games list that have the same name, and i assume they are the same game. They are: Baseball and SimCity 81.145.241.130 20:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games on both lists 

message: I think we should include proper PAL-conversion in the list. That is: Does the game run in 50 or 60Hz, and if it's 50Hz, is is properly converted to run at the same speed as the NTSC-releases? Pikachu025 14:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PAL-conversation 

message: The PEGI rating information is unclear to me. For example in the list Super Mario Bros. is listed at 3+. However, when I look on http://www.pegi.info/pegi/index.do it says (right there on the home page; today: 6-jan-2007) under the Fresh Games listing Super Mario Bros (VC) as 7+ (6+ for Portugal). I haven't looked at others yet, but I expect other games to have different listings also. I'd like to know the source for the 3+ rating. And how this compares to the rating on the PEGI site. Mausy5043 10:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PEGI ratings 

message: Absolutely awful. It should go back to how it was. It was much clearer before; now, it is far too hard to see which game is from which console. 80.43.49.57 23:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The console is mentioned right after the game's title in the column "System". When you find the game of your choice just move your eyes slightly to the right to find the console for which the game was released. Not too hard I'd say. ;-) No need to scroll all the way back up the table to find the cell mentioning the console. At this moment that might not be too difficult. But, with on average two games added each week, imagine how easy a sortable table will be in a few months time and how difficult it will be to implement one then. I spent about two hours, copying and pasting to make the table as it is now. So, I'd appreciate some very good arguments before reverting to the old one.  Mausy5043 16:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Your objections are noted. On the VC (America) page they have changed the table again. More in line with your proposal, I think. I want to wait a while and see how that layout is received. See how both versions fare and then make a choice. For now I think the current solution is better, but I understand it may be suffering from the V2000 syndrome. Let's see how things develop. Mausy5043 07:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't have the impression that "we don't want one table". There clearly is no consensus yet. Also not on the US page. So, nothing will be changed for now. Mausy5043 17:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The current layout is horrible. It's way too cluttered and looks terrible. Take a look at the North American and Japanese pages for how the tables SHOULD look. TJ Spyke 22:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think it is beautiful. It's nicely organised and looks great. The European page shows you how the table should look... ;-) As I said before I'd appreciate some good arguments to make the change. Sofar, no arguments at all have been presented. It all seems to revolve around personal taste. Mausy5043 12:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New List

message: Maybe we should make a note on the page for Mario Kart 64, that you can't save ghost data. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.195.237.65 (talk) 17:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is mentioned on the game's page. No need to mention it here aswell. Mausy5043 17:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on Mario Kart 64 

message: What happened to the feb9 addings? They have been removed... It was Vigilante (TG), Zelda II (NES) and Super Mario World (SNES). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.213.119.127 (talk) 11:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were still there when I just looked. Mausy5043 12:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: February 9

message: Can some remove SMRPG from the future releases section?
I'm not denying it's release for Europe but there is no source or confirmation. I think this conclusion was drawn from the "PAL VC could see NTSC games" article. I can't edit it because I am using my Wii console because I cannot access my computer at the moment and I cannot edit something with too much text. WikiLoco 04:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind now, MrDrake removed it. WikiLoco 02:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No info on Super Mario RPG: Can someone remove it? 

message: We all know they're coming out, but I can't seem to find the source for them. I can't seem to find them on the USK website, but I haven't looked around there all too much. I'll assume that there is a source for now, but I'm just checking someone didn't add them because they're going to be on there, not because they found them somewhere. 121.208.68.212 21:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could someone link me to the source for those SEGA games? 

message: Could someone direct me to a source for these three games. I have a feeling its just vandalism, but I'm not sure. 60.226.175.68 07:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I just found Mario & Yoshi on the OFLC database... but what about those two N64 games? Just vandalism? 60.226.175.68 07:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for Mario & Yoshi, Lylat Wars and Yoshi's Story? 

message: International style is to have te date first, then the month, then the year.  However, if you don't like this, the page will automatically change it if you set your preferred date style in your preferences.  Having the date in the European format is useful for non-registered visitors or people who haven't set their preferences. Tim (Xevious) 09:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The date is added to the table as follows:
 2006-12-088 December, 2006
As you will notice the date is mentioned twice. 
The first part:
 2006-12-08 ... 
Must be in this particular format to allow sorting by date.
The second part:
  ... 8 December, 2006
Is the displayed date. For non-registered users this is how it will display. For registered users it will display in the format as configured in the users's preferences. ʍαμ$ʏ5043 16:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates in International style 

message: "However, now the games are released around 3 PM GMT (4 PM CET)." I was under the impression that this was only for this week, what with tomorrow being Good Friday? I suppose we'll find out next week whether the change is a one-off or permanent, but it'd be best to find out before then. Cipher (Talk to the hand) 17:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time of release 

message: Each Thursday the VC games for the following Friday are added to Nintendo UK's Virtual Console site. Around what hour is that? Wouldn't it be nice information to add to the article? 217.136.167.86 17:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time of announcement? 

message: what do you think? is there a chance?
:Wikipedia isn't a forum. Also, sign your posts. Cipher (Talk to the hand) 22:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  majoras mask. 

message: We appear to have finally managed to hammer out an agreement for article formatting in regards to presentation of the Wii Points information. See the discussion thread here. In the interests of keeping uniformity between the articles and preventing another interminable debate here, would the editors of this article be willing to adopt the new format? Your consent would be appreciated. Thanks. --Cheesemeister3k 20:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Without objection... --Cheesemeister3k 09:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Points Consensus on NA 

message: I was going to delete this entry....but it came out in NA.  It seems almost certain that it will come out this friday....should it stay?  Neo Samus 18:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Holy cow, you guys didn't get Wave Race 64.  Well maybe next week.  ;)  Neo Samus 23:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wave Race 64 

message: I am amazed Europe is getting Mario 3 and Sonic 3 when they're not coming to North America. That's incredible. We love those games too. 67.188.172.165 02:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Super Mario 3 and Sonic 3

message: This game appeared on the OFLC on the 4th of September, along with that last batch of Ninja Jajamaru-kun, Gradius III and Sin and Punishment. I'm not too sure if its a VC game, but I'm guessing it must be the english name for a Japanese game or something. Any ideas which console its for? The developer's Eighting, if that helps any. 121.208.168.126 11:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is confirmed to be the new name of the DS game Nintendo Magic. -MrDrake, 21:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Master of Illusion 

message: I can't seem to find a source for this.  Can someone add one?  For now, I'll tag it.  Y0u | Y0ur talk page 01:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's true then that's interesting.  I wonder if something like that will happen in the US?  Neo Samus 02:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for SMB2j only being available through September...? 

message: http://kotaku.com/gaming/hanabi-festival/  Someone should update the page... I would, but I don't know how to format the tables or cite it really... Y0u | Y0ur talk page 03:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU 21/9 and 28/9 releases confirmed 

message: http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/820/820142p1.html Reference for latest addition
172.203.52.23 21:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of TurboGrax CD titles 

message: I'm just wondering if it would be better to have it as one long table rather than split, and have a format column.
The reason is that I would like to be able to sort by date and/or alphabetical order all the games
I know its obviously going to be harder to follow the flow but I think its more beneficial
Chocobogamer (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Decided to go ahead with it as I thought of a way of doing it that will benefit article readers without ruining flow or badly effecting editors :) Chocobogamer (talk) 14:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The way you changed the article was awful, and hard to read! Please leave it in line with: List of Virtual Console games, List of Virtual Console games (North America), List of Virtual Console games (Japan) and List of Virtual Console games (Australia).  Doktor  Wilhelm  15:46, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

text: We can't have this section because it contains trivia. For more information see the discussion List of Virtual Console games (North America). Versus22 (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad its not there, however, what do you mean it contained trivia? Chocobogamer (talk) 10:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  one combined table 

message: :We can't have this section because it contains trivia. For more information see the discussion List of Virtual Console games (North America). Versus22 (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad its not there, however, what do you mean it contained trivia? Chocobogamer (talk) 10:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Virtual Console in Total

message: Is there people that wish the Europe and Australia VC pages to merge with each other? I think two seperate articles are unnecessary and one common page is easier to maintain. Check the possible new article in my talkpage...! Ratengo (talk) 01:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like the new format. They're two different regions, as proven by their differences already, such as the Turbografx-16 and Commodore 64 releases and the Axelay/Probotector II switch. The pages are also being maintained effectively now. Also, the format that the dates are being displayed in differs from what is shown on the North American, Japanese and South Korean pages, so that would have to be fixed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.208.168.177 (talk) 20:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see why some games and date releases differences shouldn't fit in the same page. The yyyy-mm-dd format is an international standard (ISO 8601) and is going to be implemented in the 'List of Famicom games' page for example. "2008-09-30" takes lesser space than "September 30 2008". I think the other VC regions pages should change the date format too. Ratengo (talk) 06:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  @Ratengo, I like your suggestion. Combining PAL/US/JAP would be a waste of time but the EU and Australian releases are very similar and it makes sense to combine them. The example table you created looks like the perfect solution. I like the dates, they would make it easier to Ctrl-F through the page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.80.116 (talk) 23:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. I must admit that I'm surprised over the low response to my suggestion (only two answers so far). How many thousands of people is actually reading the EU or AU VC pages daily...? Ratengo (talk) 00:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

text: While I still don't necessarily agree with it, I guess there isn't much of a problem if you see it fit to do so. Just a few things to note when merging the two lists: Firstly, the developer column for the European page has a few errors that have gone unchecked, while the Australian page is as perfect as I can make it when it comes to developer listings. I would prefer it if you used the developer list from the Australian page when merging so as to avoid the hassle of correcting it all again. Secondly, once again a minor issue, but in your possible article you have Spy vs. Spy listed incorrectly in the Future Releases table. This game can neither be released in Australia (and thus should be listed as unreleased) nor has a G rating by the OFLC. Finally, I'm not sure what other editors think about the listing of Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels - I personally prefer what I have done with the Australian page and have its release date listed as 14 September, 2007 and read "unavailable from 1 October, 2007 to 22 August, 2008" while the European page reads the opposite, that it was released on August 22, 2008 and was "previously available from September 14, 2007 to October 1, 2007." All three are minor editting inconsistencies, but it would be smoother to iron these out now. Cloud789 (talk) 09:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cloud789, thanks a lot for your viewpoints!! I'll compare the developer columns to each other and correct the errors. Talking about upcoming games; it is clear from the list that 'the primary source is the Australian OFLC' but also '...listed are titles that have received a rating by the pan-European PEGI or have appeared on the German USK'. These ratings are few and Spy vs. Spy is USK-rated since October 15, 2006. If the game is to be released in PAL region, it must obviously be OFLC-rated too. I wonder if an 'expiry date' should be used by Wikipedia, let's say if a game got rated but not released on Virtual Console within two years from the rating date - will it be taken off the list...? Nintendo of Europe's VC site has the release date of SMB:LL as August 22, 2008 with "...Please note that this Virtual Console version was originally available for a limited time only during a previous Hanabi Festival. However, now it is available permanently for everyone to enjoy!" Ratengo (talk) 12:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Just checked the developer columns and found a lot of errors in the European page but it should be known that the Australian page has some errors too. These are corrected in my talk page. I also changed the place for SMB:LL, thinking the first release date should be given the priority. Ratengo (talk) 14:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, looks pretty good now! Just wondering, are you going to leave the ratings for Probotector II and Axelay just blank like that? It just looks a little... messy to me. I think it would probably look better just to include both ratings on both listings. Also, I noticed that in the total games for both NES and SNES, you include the number for Australia in brackets. So as not to be biased against one or the other, maybe you should just list the SNES total as "There are currently 31 games (30 in Europe) available to purchase." and have both totals as the highest number, as they're both seperate regions. Cloud789 (talk) 07:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

text: You're right! EU and AU should be equivalent to each other (I didn't think of it earlier) so the things are fixed now. I also forgot to add the release time for AU: "New games are released on Fridays in Europe at 12:00AM CET (at 1:00 AM CET during daylight saving time) and in Australia at 9:00AM and in New Zealand at 11:00PM AEST." Does AU have one hour's lateral movement during summer time too? And was Ninja Gaiden also released in AU as Shadow Warriors during the 90's? Ratengo (talk) 11:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

text: DST occurs depending on where you live in Australia, confusingly. In Queensland, there's no DST, though elsewhere along the east coast there is. I'd say just add it in as you have the note for DST in Europe. I own the original cart of Shadow Warriors, so I can confirm that it was released as that originally in Australia, the same as in Europe. Hope the merge goes well! When are you planning on it taking place?121.208.168.177 (talk) 11:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! All fixed now and my article seems ready to be published on Wikipedia, but first I'll have to learn how to merge articles. Probably later tonight or tomorrow. Hope it goes well! ^_^ Ratengo (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  One combined PAL VC article