Talk:International Framework for Nuclear Energy Cooperation

message: Actually, these have been the principles of the nuclear safeguards arrangements, including the NNPT and the bilateral safeguards treaties that preceded it, since the 1950s or so. Nice to see them getting some press, though. Andrewa 15:14, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: This article is way out of date.  GNEP is an evolving program and this has essentially nothing since the program was introduced.  It seems no onehas the time (my problem) or interest to keep it up-to-date.  Some of the things that ought to be covered (if someone has time):
* The GNEP Strategic Plan from January 2007 .
* The U.S.-Russia Civil Nuclear Energy Working Group and Action Plan .
* The U.S.-Japan Nuclear Energy Action Plan .
* The latest on the budget, including the funding level for 2007 ($168M) and requested for 2008 ($405M).
* The Ministerial meeting and the resulting Joint Statement . 
There also ought to be some description of the criticisms that have been raised, including from sources like Matthew Bunn, Frank von Hippel and Richard Garwin. NPguy 03:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little Interest? 

message: I deleted the following from the criticism section:
:GNEP grew out of a DOE special committee (NERAC) whose singular purpose was to save the Nuclear Industry for Military and National Security reasons. The center piece of GNEP (fuel reprocessing) is based on unproven and fundamentally flawed tecnology. More disturbing, it will make America the dumping ground for most of the world's spent nuclear fuel. Lastly, the primary purpose of GNEP is to justify leaving spent fuel where it sits (at aging American reactors) for periods in excess of 100 years by reclassifying the nuclear waste streams as potential future resources, just as DOE did with Depleted Uranium almost two decades ago.
This is almost entirely wrong.  GNEP grew out of the Advanced Fuel Cycle Initiative, stimulated by Congress (then Appropriations Subocmmittee Chair Hobson) and put together by senior Energy Department staffers.  Fuel reprocessing is long proven technology, though GNEP proposes to do it in novel and unproven ways.  The "dumping ground" criticism has some basis in the proposal to least fuel internationally and take back spent fuel.  But the purpose is precisely the opposite of what is stated: not to leave spent fuel at reactors but to move it away from reactors.
But more importantly, this is entirely unsubstantiated and unreferenced.  If you want to cite legitimate criticism of GNEP, do a web search on Frank von Hippel, Richard Garwin, or Matthew Bunn and GNEP.  Then summarize and reference. NPguy 01:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV Malarkey 

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:Another criticism is that GNEP embraces dangerous proliferation-prone reprocessing technology for commercial reasons, and to bypass the continued delays with the Yucca Mountain waste repository project, whilst claiming to make the world a safer place.(in "Criticism" section)
:The opposition depicts it as a flagrant example of US arrogance, embracing dangerous proliferation-prone technologies whilst claiming to make the world a safer place. (in Evolving international pacts for tomorrow
I think this is not quotation but piracy. --UniontourJP (talk) 14:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I should stand up here to say that I added this paragraph in this edit, which also converted the article's citations to ref-style. I found this new NEI article while converting other NEI citations and tried para-phrasing (perhaps poorly) something new to the article - giving the source. I'll delete the para from the article while it is debated if copying these words from a sourced article amounts to a copyvio. There is no need to delete the whole article. Rwendland (talk) 02:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a user of Japanese version wikipedia and don't know well about English version rules. If other wikipedians think this action has no probrem, I will not claim full erasion. Thanks. --UniontourJP (talk) 03:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have looked back on my additions, and reflecting on it I do agree what I have done is debatable. I took the view this was de-minimus phrases, with the source cited, so OK. I'd be interested in the views of other editors - I'm beginning to think maybe I'm in the gray area. Rwendland (talk) 03:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To me the issue is not piracy or copyright infringement but plagiarism.  Doesn't the "fair use" doctrine allow the use of limited direct quotes from other sources?  As long as they are in quotation marks and the source acknowledged, what is the problem?  Does Wikipedia have a more restrictive policy?  I think the paragraph in question added some value to the article. NPguy (talk) 04:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't use quotation marks. I was trying to take/convey the idea, but without using enough flair or imagination or effort! I'll do better in future. But my current thinking this was de-minimus copying (short phrases), so not a copyvio, but perhaps to far into the gray area. I've looked at Wikipedia policy, but it not too clear: :Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Unacceptable_text says "Excessively long copyrighted excerpts" is unacceptable. Rwendland (talk) 04:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I simply think that Mr. Rwendland can write more better phrases without such a controversial style. Please re-write it in the future. Thank you. --UniontourJP (talk) 05:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Violation 

message: Hi NPguy. It seems you have to register now to access the full Bengelsdorf article (unlike when I first ref'ed it).  If you register you see this para:
:Notwithstanding the laudatory motivations behind GNEP, there have been some unintended, bad consequences. Specifically, some states have reacted negatively to the idea of dividing the world up between a few fuel-cycle states and a larger number of reactor states; or they have stated that, if there is such an ultimate division between the "haves" and "have-nots," they would wish to join the group of the "haves" or the fuel-cycle states. It would, of course, be ironic if such sentiments became strong enough now to activate any new enrichment or reprocessing, since GNEP has been designed to have the opposite effect.
which is the source for the "unfortunate incentive" sentance, as well second sourcing the previous sentances. I've put the source back in - I've found a PDF version which does not need registration. Hope you think the source is adequete for the sentance. Rwendland (talk) 16:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is fine.  Hal Bengelsdorf was a wise man, and it doesn't surprise me that he made this observation.  However, it is a bit out of date, given the evolution of GNEP from a U.S. proposal to divide the world into fuel cycle "haves" and "have-nots" into an international forum that explicitly respects the rights of all participants.  I think I need to update the article. NPguy (talk) 02:13, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bengelsdorf source and GNEP 

message: Someone has suggested merging a section of the article Nuclear Program of Iran into this article.  That section is on measures to prevent the spread of enrichment and reprocessing technology.  While it is related to GNEP, it is not part of GNEP.  The merger therefore is inappropriate.  I have suggested creating a new article on nuclear fuel cycle policy to cover this and other related issues. NPguy (talk) 20:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While I don't think this information is completely relevant here, it didn't seem to fit over at Nuclear power in Iran either. Perhaps you or another editor here could start the new article, as that would seem the most logical.--68.251.187.176 (talk) 13:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge section from Nuclear Program of Iran? 

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