Talk:Phi Gamma Delta

message: For the record, I have no personal association with this organization. I think with all the attention being paid on the Greek letters, the quality of article itself has (understandably) suffered. The entire section on the 'Historical sketch of Jefferson College' seems completely pointless to me. It seems like info that should be in Washington & Jefferson College, and is mostly out of place here. Unless someone has a good objection, I would like to delete it, and move the see also line to the next section. That seems like the most obvious starting place, but there are many other problems with this article -mainly that it reads like a recruitment brochure. Any thoughts? Grayfell (talk) 05:49, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed on that, and also the link for each of the original founders to the follow section on the Immortal six doesn't seem quite right.Naraht (talk) 13:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. They were all redirects to the 'Immortal Six' section just below the one they were in. I changed the redirects to the 'Founding of Phi Gamma Delta' section, and removed the Immortal Six section, since it was completely redundant. Grayfell (talk) 22:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article itself 

message: On the talk page for the Infobox Fraternity (Template talk:Infobox fraternity#Proposal on change to description of the letters field.), I started a discussion on allowing for a more common name in place of greek letters if appropriate. Yes, this is done as the formal way to consider allowing for the use of Fiji rather than the greek letters in the Infobox at Phi Gamma Delta. Please comment at the Template talk page. I have also posted this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities.Naraht (talk) 17:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That has been discussed repeatedly, to put it mildly, and the result has always that the rules of the fraternity do not apply to Wikipedia. Favonian (talk) 18:25, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

text: No.  Wikipedia members are not bound the fraternity rules.  We don't pay dues.--GrapedApe (talk) 00:44, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal on change to description of the letters field.(Fiji exception) 

message: Does anyone have any idea on when to use FIJI and when to use Fiji in the article? Since these are both forms of the nickname, I'm actually tempted to call Phi Gamma Delta Headquarters. Note, there are uses of both capitalizations on their home page, mostly FIJI, but "Famous Fijis"Naraht (talk) 13:52, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  FIJI vs. Fiji 

message: The most recent hits I can find for Matt Fritzie in news.google.com are basically a whole grouping around the last week of 2010 and first week of 2011 indicating that he was suing the National Fraternity in Jackson County Circuit Court (example http://www.eldoradotimes.com/article/20110103/NEWS/301039945 )and then another couple around February 14th, about KU redefining its hazing policies which includes The university put its chapter of the Phi Gamma Delta fraternity on two years of probation after an investigation revealed hazing occurred at the fraternity's annual island party in September. Kansas freshman Matt Fritzie was left paralyzed after diving into a makeshift pool at that party.. Should the fact that the school found hazing to have taken place be added or other changes to be made?Naraht (talk) 00:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems like a reasonable addition to me. What's the source for that quote? Grayfell (talk) 02:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.kansas.com/2011/02/14/1719673/ku-alters-policies-on-hazing-after.html , sorry, I meant to include that after the blockquote.Naraht (talk) 13:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Hopefully the wording is satisfactory. Grayfell (talk) 22:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

text: The national organization was involved in the lawsuit. I attempted to keep the phrasing as neutral as possible, and I don't think the current paragraph connects the incident to the national organization any more than is indicated by sources. This was discussed in the media, both on its own, and as an indicator of the larger problem of hazing. It's not necessarily a hugely important issue for the fraternity, but it does give context to the other mentioned incidents. It would be misleading to imply that the MIT incident, which was very significant for both Phi Gamma Delta, and fraternities at MIT, was the only noteworthy hazing incident involving Fiji. Grayfell (talk) 00:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References in regards to Matt Fritzie 

message: How do people feel about adding an WP:Editnotice to the page, or would that not do any better than the current commented text?Naraht (talk) 21:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Who knows. It may seem more offical to have an edit notice and make people less likely to do it. Bali88 (talk) 21:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think it could help. It's worth a try, at least. Grayfell (talk) 21:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

text: I did not notice this until now. This looks pretty slick, well done. Grayfell (talk) 05:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit notice? 

message: Does anyone know of any edit notices for similar situations? At worst, we can use a similar one to the one from Mohammed, (without the (pbuh) of course) given that's where I got the info on how to hide things if a person has an account.Naraht (talk) 21:54, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Content

message: I sort of dropped the ball on this one. How about this one altered from Template:Editnotices/Page/Muhammad ? (Note, creation of editnotices is restricted, but we can submit an edit request)
(Note because this is on the talk page that the link to the talk page has been turned into normal text, that won't occur when used.Naraht (talk) 11:54, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not notice this until now. This looks pretty slick, well done. Grayfell (talk) 05:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal

message: Please remove the Greek letters from the top of the page. 
Crt180 (talk) 14:53, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Please read the FAQ at the top of this talk page. Favonian (talk) 16:20, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2015 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Phi Gamma Delta. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110929022709/http://www.phigam.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=943 to http://www.phigam.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=943
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070608040809/http://www.depauw.edu:80/library/archives/ehistory/chapter1/bettielocke.htm to http://www.depauw.edu/library/archives/ehistory/chapter1/bettielocke.htm
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 21:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Checked. Grayfell (talk) 05:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: 76.79.50.114 (talk) 17:14, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Grayfell (talk) 17:24, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2017 

message: I request to remove the "complaints about behavio"r section. I have looked through several other greek associations and have found no such sections on their wiki pages. This consitutes for a removal of the complaints section of the Phi Gamma Delta wiki page. Please take corrective action as soon as possible. Jporter9464 (talk) 15:29, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Not saying you don't have a case but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, feel free to discuss and build consensus here Cannolis (talk) 15:46, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Which ones? User:Broadmoor seems to be fairly equal opportunity.Naraht (talk) 17:52, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2017 

message: Add to complaints about behavior.
In 2020, Gettysburg College suspended the Phi Gamma Delta until January 1st, 2023 due to violations of the COVID-19 protocols. The chapter hosted a party in September 2020 after Gettysburg College went into quarantine.
https://gettysburgian.com/2020/12/college-suspends-phi-gamma-delta-fiji-fraternity-chapter-until-2023-citing-egregious-covid-19-protocol-violations-and-years-of-conduct-concerns/#:~:text=The%20Phi%20Gamma%20Delta%20(FIJI,housing%20during%20the%20suspension%20period. Banjo509 (talk) 00:46, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: WP:NOTNEWS, I fail to see how one chapter is significant enough to warrant mention here. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  03:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2021 - Gettysburg College Fiji Chapter Suspended until 2023 

message: Requesting the removal of the Greek letters from this page. The International Fraternity of Phi Gamma Delta, in accordance with its laws, is not permitted to have their letters written outside of certain contexts including a class ring, chapter house, certificate of membership, flag, badge, seal, and memorial. 199.120.30.239 (talk) 20:02, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: We're not the fraternity, so we're not beholden to its laws. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Expanding on the above: Wikipedia is not censored. We have pictures of Mohammed, we print the name of the Jewish God, and we have y'all's letters. —C.Fred (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, please read the FAQ entries at the top of the page, they specifically deal with this issue where as far as I can tell, Phi Gamma Delta is unique among the Greek Letter Organizations.Naraht (talk) 17:29, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2022 

message: The information on the Hazing event at the University of Missouri is missing some things and factually incorrect. 
1) It should specify University of Missouri - Columbia (As opposed to the also existing University of Missouri - Kansas City). The are otherwise unable to be told apart without the city and that is their legal proper name.
2) The name of the victim student is known, it is Daniel Santulli who was 19 years old at the time of the incident. This is also important because some charges were hazing, others were providing to a minor.
3) He was not "found unresponsive" by University Police, but he was instead driven to the University Hospital by fraternity brothers, police had nothing to do with any of it and were not involved until after the fact.
4) There is more known now, lawsuits and at the moment of this writing, 2 people charged with felonies for their role. 
5) Victim is now blind, unable to walk (wheelchair bound), and unable to speak/communicate, and suffered brain damage. (According to his family's attorney, not medically verified, but publicly stated and included on lawsuit paperwork)
6) The University did say it disciplined members of the fraternity, but no details were given.
NOTE: The biggest thing I want to point out is that while it is missing information, it is inaccurate to say that "Police at the University of Missouri found an unresponsive freshman after a fraternity party in 2021" as paperwork filed with the court has stated as well: "The lawsuit states Santulli’s “skin was pale and his lips were blue, yet no one called 911.” Instead, the decision was made to drive Santulli to University Hospital in Columbia in one of the brother’s cars." It is also known that this was not just an alcohol overdose, but was hazing on a pledge during their "dad reveal".
Sources:
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/two-st-louis-county-men-indicted-in-mizzou-hazing-that-left-freshman-blind-unable-to/article_48ed38ce-0c8f-54ce-9ec6-de09fb1fc4b8.html
https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/news/2022/06/17/danny-santulli-felony-charges-fiji-hazing-missouri-mizzou-fraternity-brothers/7665422001/
https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/news/education/campus/2022/06/16/mizzou-greek-life-hazing-involving-alcohol-entrenched-missouri-campus-report-says/7633021001/
https://fox59.com/news/national-world/hazing-incident-leaves-university-of-missouri-student-unable-to-see-talk-or-walk/ Zacklovin (talk) 18:21, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've adjusted the page language with this information and the four offered references. So sad. Jax MN (talk) 19:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Thank you for the edit! Zacklovin (talk) 04:39, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2022 

message: The section on the Butler Sexual assault is inaccurate, it says "...Crawfordsville, Indiana police told her Butler University has no formal code of conduct and that the student who assaulted her would face few consequences" It is not Butler University that has no formal code of conduct, but Wabash College. This should be changed to accurately reflect the facts.
Source: https://www.wabash.edu/aboutwabash/rule Xyban9 (talk) 01:34, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Cannolis (talk) 01:46, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2022