Talk:University of Missouri/Archive 2

message: Found here: http://www.themaneater.com/article.php?id=28386
MU will still have the regional designation as a part of the official campus name in what the amended regulation refers to as “official correspondence.”
UM system spokesman Scott Charton said examples of this would include forms to the state or legal letters involving MU.
Found here: http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2007/11/29/columbia-distinction-dropped-universitys-name/
MU will still have to include the “Columbia” in any official documents, including budget documents and legal letters.
Found here: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/education/story/92F2C47DEC4FD713862573A30018B629?OpenDocument
The school still would have to use its hyphenated Columbia name for "official" correspondence. MU Chancellor Brady Deaton said that includes contracts, legal documents and other times when clarity is needed. He said the school would use its judgment in deciding which name to employ.
This effectively means that the general public will no longer see the name "University of Missouri–Columbia" being actively promoted.  As far as the school using its judgement, I can guarantee they'll never use "Columbia" in any public-facing situation.
More info of interest (from the first link):
Tony Luetkemeyer, student representative to the Board of Curators, said the provision does not change all that much.
“The change to the collected rules just recognizes what is already a reality,” Luetkemeyer said.
Board of Curators Chairman Don Walsworth also said the name restoration for MU will provide some consistency in how it is referred to by the public.
“It confirms what people already know through athletics and other things,” Walsworth said.
During the meeting, Walsworth said he looked at the letterhead of 10 different schools at MU. Of those, only one included the regional designation.
I do believe that part of providing some consistency would be to not use "University of Missouri–Columbia" at the beginning of this article. However, that's not to say that the change isn't controversial, on Wikipedia and at large, and shouldn't be treated somewhere in the article... just not in the first sentence/paragraph/section. That should be reserved for an introduction with timeless, vital information about the subject, not squabbles about the name or any other ephemeral issues.—Lazytiger (Talk | contribs) 05:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some clarification on "official correspondence"

message: Whew, its amazing how much space this debate has taken.  Yesterday I listed this conflict on request for a third opinion and at Mediation Cabal.  I also listed it at formal mediation, but that request was denied (my fault for not reading all the instrutions).  I want to apologize here for moving this page without first checking to see if anyone had a problem with it.  I really didn't realize it was going to be such a controversial topic at the time.  Also the University of Missouri might be partially to blame as the first press release on their website stated that the curators had actually changed their name fully, they've since retracted that statment and replaced it with the one referenced many times above.  That press release caused me to believe I had every reason to make a major edit such as moving the page.  That said I still believe that even though the curators action was what spurred me to make the change originally the change was coming in the long run anyways.  I'd like to sum up where I'm coming from incase I've skipped over expressing some of the big reasons behind my edits, and I'd like to get feedback if anyone agrees/disagrees with any of my major points.
The University of Missouri was founded in 1839 in Columbia and from 1839 until 1963, the term "University of Missouri" was only applied to the Columbia campus.  In 1963 University became a four campus system and University rules regarding the use of the term "University of Missouri" required that the term only be used to refer to the entire system.  In reality, the term was still widely used to describe the Columbia campus alone especially in terms of athletics and national media.  When the University of Missouri System structure was enacted it created four campuses of equal standing, from what had been the "University of Missouri" "University of Kansas City" "Rolla school of mines and mellargy (which had been a branch or the Columbia campus."  The St. Louis campus was created new rather than absorbed from a previous institution.  The new system renamed the schools "University of Missouri–Columbia" "University of Missouri–Rolla" "University of Missouri–Kansas City" and "University of Missouri–St. Louis".  The recent name change of "University of Missouri–Rolla to "Missouri University of Science and Technology" revived a long dorment campaign to offically drop the Columbia designation from the University of Missouri's name. The issue has been highly politicized by factions of faculty and students and UMSL and UMKC, because of fear that thoses campuses would be viewed as branch campuses instead of schools in their own right.  The curators voted unanimously to allow what the president of the board of curators called the "de facto" use of the term by MU.  I find Alatari's arguments particuarrly vexing as the term "University of Missouri" is never used to refer to either UMSL or UMKC.  
::Again a patently untrue statement.  When I received my University of Missour Curators' scholarship it was for any school with the name University of Missouri.  The student at St. Louis campus call their school University of Missouri commonly and so did most of the students and faculty at Rolla refer to the school as University of Missouri.  The diplomas state this and the news media has called all the the four schools University of Missouri in news releases.  The O'Reilly comment above is just proof in point. Any student or faculty at the non-Columbia schools are going to commonly shorten the name to just University of Missouri or the school nicknames of UMSL, MIZZOU, or UMR when referring to their own school.  I talked to a Librarian at the UMSL campus and she refers to her campus as the University of Missouri.  However finding documented evidence of usage is a hard for it's not an important social study.  So again we should stick to the Wikipedia policy Wikipedia:Naming conventions (schools)#Disambiguation Alatari (talk) 06:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The the stats provided by MU's own website above is only a single minor POV not encompassing the entirety of the world's usage of the term.  Alatari (talk) 06:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi, I'm your mediator. Please see the case page for further discussion. Auroranorth (!) 12:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who are you?  You have no user or discussion page content and why did you choose to arbitrate this case? Alatari (talk) 07:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More Naming Controversy

message: Hi. I'm your mediator. I've come to mediate your case. I'll be looking at the case and will tell you when I'm done. Auroranorth (!) 13:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediator notes