Talk:Pete Rose

message: Pete Rose was NOT a utility player and was NOT the ultimate utility player as the section above says. A utility player is not a starter, yet gets abundant playing time do to his ability to play many positions. Rose has always been a starter at one position. Granted, the position changed several times over the course of his career. Call a utility player what it is.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 21:54, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually agree with you on this one, there is no way he was a utility player.--Yankees10 23:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, as per my comments above. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 23:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm currently on vacation in Texas. If the utility player article still calls Rose the ultimate utility player when I get home, I WILL change it. On a side note, if I hadda pick an ultimate utility player... Joe McEwing? Chone Figgins?--Johnny Spasm (talk) 11:47, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ryan Freel? Mark DeRosa? KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as those within my own memory, I'd have to go with Tony Phillips. -Dewelar (talk) 15:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Maybe I'mbiased because I'm a Mets fan, but I think it's "Super Joe."--Johnny Spasm (talk) 03:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose, if one of the requirements is not being good enough to be a regular, then Super Joe fits the bill quite nicely :-D . -Dewelar (talk) 04:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

text: With that caveat, I'd have to go with Figgins--Johnny Spasm (talk) 11:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utility 

message: I constantly have to check Pete Rose's entry because his succession box keeps getting moved incorrectly, and thus becomes invisible and other minor little stupid things like that. If its current location doesn't meet Wikipedia standards, AT LEAST IT IS VISIBLE! Go ahead and move it; I really don't care. Just move it correctly, and make sure you check your work and you can still see it afterwards. This is common sense, folks.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 11:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop 

message: The scope of List of Major League Baseball awards has changed, so we should revisit the Lou Gehrig and Hutch Awards, etc. Also, the Sportsman of the Year isn't part of the COI either. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hutch, Lou Gehrig, etc should def. not be removed, but the SI Sportsman of the Year should probably be.--Yankees10 15:57, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not? The proposal above notes that we should stick to the criteria for inclusion of that topic, and those criteria have changed. In the grand scheme, those awards aren't particularly important. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox, redux

message: Putting them in chronological order was never agreed to.--Yankees10 23:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was never disagreed with either. Is there any rhyme or reason to the order you want his accomplishments in? It seems pretty random to me. Why not have them in some kind of order is the real question.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 09:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I can see, it looks like the awards were put in order of precedence (although I think the World Series should be first). I'm still of the opinion that those awards not within the scope of List of Major League Baseball awards shouldn't be included, and it would be nice if this was made a hard criterion for the whole WikiProject, but this is at least a good place to start. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I put them in this order:All-Stars, World Series championships, Gold Gloves, Silver Sluggers, Awards in order of impotance, and at the bottom retired numbers, etc.--Yankees10 15:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a reason my comment was moved? KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

text: What is and isn't important is a matter of opinion, but given that baseball is a team sport, the World Series titles should go first. As far as individual honors, multiple honors probably should go next (All star selections, batting titles, etc.). Then, I believe that chronology would be the best order. Who's to say that the silver slugger is more important than the Roberto Clemente award?--Johnny Spasm (talk) 21:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The order of awards goes after the World Series, All-Stars, Gold Gloves, and Silver Sluggers are listed since they are usually won multiple times.--Yankees10 21:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if there is necessarily an "order" to it. If someone only won one gold glove, and multiple of the other awards, I think it would be foolish to list the gold glove among his multiple awards. I added the runs and hits leaders to his infobox in that order. It seems to me that runs are more important than hits, so I put one ahead of the other. I think, however, once the multiple awards have been listed, chronology is the best way to list the other awards. As Yankees10 himself pointed out, in doing that, retired numbers usually wind up at the end.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 00:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In the grand scheme of things, awards won on the field should be placed ahead of awards presented for work off the field. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 01:36, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as presige... maybe (and I mean maybe) but I really feel that there is no real way to determine order of prestige for certain awards and it is probably best to list them chronologically.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 02:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Problems 

message: Rose had a brief acting apearance in the TV-movie biography Babe Ruth (1991), playing none other than Ty Cobb.  I'm told that Cobb isn't depicted in uniform because of conditions in Rose's ban from baseball. WHPratt (talk) 18:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brief (but appropriate) Film Role 

message: Under the Montreal Expos section of Rose's playing career, it says "citation needed" regarding his going in the 4000 hit club (he's only the 2nd member, Ty Cobb being the 1st).  There is a "4000 hit club" redirect on Wikipedia going to "3000 hit club", whose members included Rose and Cobb at the top.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 18:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation needed for 4000 hit club? 

message: Both those numbers are given, in this article, as how many games Rose won as Reds manager. So, which is the correct total? GoodDay (talk) 19:01, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: 412 according to http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/rosepe01.shtml Silicon retina (talk) 18:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  412 or 426 

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message: The article reads "Dave Pallone made a late call at first base that allowed a runner to score from third base what would be the eventual game-winning run."
That's actually not correct. In baseball a play continues until all Runners have scored, or all Runners are safe on a base, or an Umpire has recognized a request for a timeout, or an Umpire has made a third out call. Until the empire makes that call to play a still alive. Watching the play it's easy to see that the call wasn't even close. The throw pulled his foot off the bag a half a step before the runner got there. If he had any doubt as to what the Umpire was going to call he should have made a play at the plate. It was a serious lapse of attention. Not to mention the first base coach was on the playing field when the call was made. And you'd think Pete Rose of all people would have recognized that lapse because as Charlie Hustle he feasted on situations just like this where the Defenders were distracted or caught with their backs turned to him. I actually loved that about him but he had nothing to argue about here.. The first basement should not have been waiting for the call allowing a runner to score from second base on a ground ball to the infield. So let's not whitewash this. It was sad to see what had become of Charlie hustle and the worst was yet to come. What I removed in my edit was he said she said. Jackhammer111 (talk) 21:14, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The out call 

message: I recently got several Billy Joel songs from my young adult years stuck in my brain. One of those is "Zanzibar" from the 52nd Street album. Pete Rose is referenced in that song and I think it could make an interesting addition to this entry. (I was also a Big Red Machine fan back in the day.) My suggestion is inserting the following brief paragraph in the "Personal Life" section just before the paragraph beginning "As of March 2014":
Pete Rose was referenced in the lyrics of the song "Zanzibar" originally released by Billy Joel in 1978 on the 52nd Street album: "Rose, he knows he's such a credit to the game / But the Yankees grab the headlines every time." The Wikipedia entry for that song provides more context on the lyrical reference, and also notes that in later live performances "instead of singing of Rose being 'a credit to the game,' Joel jokes that he will 'never make the Hall of Fame.' " 
There are WP entries for Billy Joel, the album, and the song, so those would become internal links. (Sorry, this talk page apparently only allows source editing, so I didn't create those links in the draft above.) The WP entry for Zanzibar already has good context for this (with citations), although it does not have the quoted lyrics. My hesitation is that my only source is that WP entry (with its external citations).
I'm still new at this and obviously this is a high-profile entry, so I'd appreciate constructive feedback.
Willard1979 (talk) 22:13, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rose referenced in Billy Joel song