Talk:Sing Sing

message: Alrighty.... I started this page because it shouldn't have been deleted. And I couldn't find it under Sing-Sing Prison. But there are links to both names, and I really think those links should be consolidated under one name. Which name should we use for the Prison? It's been called Sing-Sing. Sing-Sing_(Prison) ?
-- ~ender, 2003-08-31 01:14:MST
:Yup, found a band named Sing-Sing too:
:http://www.sing-sing.co.uk/
:-- ~ender, 2003-08-31 01:31:MST—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.86.17.17 (talk) 08:20, 31 August 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Prayer.html Rich Farmbrough 15:11, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  True or false? 

message: Here's an issue for discussion on this page. Although a number of states' electric chairs were in truth nicknamed "Old Sparky"(Including the chair at Sing Sing) , I am quite sure that in popular usage the name refers specifically to the Florida electric chair.
If I am correct about this, it would not be accurate to caption the Sing sing chair as "Probably the most famous American electric chair"
Any opinions on this?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. World History (talk • contribs) 01:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A new topic

message: This sentence confuses me:
"From 1914 until 1971, only the electric chair at Sing Sing was used for executions."
For one thing, the next sentence says the last execution was 1963, so I don't know what 1971 is.  Also, the placement of the "only" is confusing.  Only the electric chair at Sing Sing, and no electric chairs anywhere else?  That can't be right.  Should it be "executions was performed at Sing Sing all used the electric chair?"  Or "all executions in NY state were performed at Sing Sing using the electric chair?"
Ccrrccrr 03:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only the Electric Chair, Dates 

message: I just watched The Producers for the upteenth time this weekend, and I cannot remember, indeed ever, if it is mentioned that Ulla goes to Sing Sing. In the fictious pardon that frees Leo, Max, and Liepkind, Ulla is never mentioned. 
Zidel333 19:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional Sing Sing Prisoners 

message: This article needs some discussion as to why it is called Sing Sing, and when it came to be called that. I'm assuming it comes from Ossing, New York.
Zidel333 19:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the Prison 

message: The first paragraph of the "Punishments" subsection needs editing badly.
Alfvaen 19:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punishment 

message: Why are there so many weirdos in here? And check this line in the article: 'Lynds' plan was to kill everyone'. Wa? Get the loonies OUT.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.49.212 (talk) 16:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Similarly, see this line in the section Punishments: "In addition to an end of the brutality, the facility was slowly modernized."  This is decidedly NOT showing NPOV.  Brutality is a very very loaded (emotionally) word, and is, in this context (referring to capital punishment) inappropriate for an encyclopedia. The Wilschon 02:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Weirdos

message: I admit I didn't read the article very carefully, but who/what is "Carola"? Entheta 18:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The name? word? "Carola" does not appear anywhere else in the article except in the section header. All I can think of is that it is a typo for "Cholera", which is mentioned in that section. Very odd. Plus, that section is filled with quotes, but they are not attributed to any source. I'm thinking of just taking it out of the article and saving it here on the Talk page, until someone can figure out what's up with it. --MCB 01:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it has been tagged since Dec. 2006, I've gone ahead and moved it to the talk page.  It appears in its entirety below. The Wilschon 02:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is Carola?

message: During the inmates' stays at the prison their lives were constantly filled with hardships and sometimes no rest. A normal day consisted of working for "ten hours and forty-five minutes starting at six in the morning and ending at six" in the evening. The other hour and fifteen minutes were spent eating and walking to and from work. "This work schedule was set during the summer days from May 15th to September 15th." As time passed from the summer days to colder winter type days the work hours were cut down to "eight hours and forty-five minutes or nine hours and forty-seven minutes" approximately. The hours they were not working they were locked up in their cells for the most part. It was hard for inmates to develop good work habits since there were no incentives or rewards such as good behavior time given to them.
The inmates would march directly from work to the cells where they would receive bread and coffee. In the morning they would receive hash and coffee; the hash was made up of the left over meats from the previous day and potato. Time and time again the inmates would receive this same food for breakfast and dinner unless instructed by a physician that it be changed for sick inmates to mush and molasses.  Due to the type of food the men would get, during the winter many of the men would become sick. More than 100 men would suffer from scurvy and eleven died from Asiatic cholera and fifteen from tuberculosis in the year of 1854. Those sick and mentally unstable men were segregated in a completely different section of the prison called the "outer Ward". The "insane men were transferred to the Utica State Hospital but this practice was prohibited by the Legislature in 1854, because of the objection to mixing both citizen and criminal insane." 
The weekends seem just as painful as the punishments they would receive when they behaved with misconduct. As soon as they would finish work on Friday afternoon until Monday morning they were locked in the cells. The only time that they would not be locked in the cells is when they would attend the chapel for a short amount of time. "In 1912 the first Sunday dinner was served in the mess hall.  A year later soup or some other inexpensive dish was added to the daily supper of bread and coffee, and the meal served in the mess hall rather than in the cells, terminating at last a practice that had governed the evening meal for 90 years.  Columbus Day, 1912, was the first holiday the men spent out of their cells."
I think it's cholera too.Monzondatalk 05:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, just vandalism, although the section is itself somewhat questionable, having been inserted in a wiki-unfit format and being based on a source that isn't available anymore (except on Internet Archive), which doesn't exactly help. See  and  revision. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carola 

message: We're told that 'the expression "sent up the river" refers to criminals convicted in New York City being sent up the Hudson River to Sing Sing', but not what "sent up the river" actually means in modern usage. I know what "sending up" means (parodying something or someone and/or taking the mickey out of them/it), and what "sold down the river" means, but as for "sent up the river" I'm none the wiser. Is "sent up the river" a New York expression, or a widely used American expression (bear in mind I'm not American, nor do I live in New York)? 217.155.20.163 (talk) 23:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Sent up the river" is a widely-used idiom in the United States for "sent to prison", based on the New York expression referred to in the article. I'll take a look and see how that can be made more clear. --MCB (talk) 06:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding (though I don't have any good references handy) is that "sent up the river" and "up the river" were originally coined in reference to New York's short-lived Newgate Prison in Greenwich Village, but really became part of the popular slang for being sent to prison in reference to Sing Sing (which replaced Newgate in the 1820's as the destination of choice for New York City's hardened criminals).  I find it striking that this phrase is missing from the main article, is this because of a need for references?  --Gleef (talk) 14:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Greenwich Village article cites this page of this book, which provides no explanation for where it got that information. It runs counter to the highly-respected Etymonline and all other sources I can find... If you can find any more sources indicating Newgate was the first object of this saying, please provide them. ɱ (talk) 18:55, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "sent up the river"? 

message: If anyone's interested, I've proposed a new wikiproject for the creation and improvement of articles regarding specific prisons, internment camps, and detention centers here. --Cdogsimmons (talk) 02:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Prisons 

message: Should it be added? Well, the only thing I can think of now is Watchmen's Rorschach was incarcerated at Sing Sing, but that's all. I'm sure there're other references. Can we compile them and maybe have a section for it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.176.121 (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have specifics? Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sing Sing in Popular Culture 

message: Louis Marshall's wiki page claimed he died in 1929 and was born in 1856... Now I've heard about abraham and how long he lived but this guy was a prison warden, in a 150 year rule, some doucher would have shanked him silly by now if it was possible to live that long.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.119.64.42 (talk) 01:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louis Marshall as Current Warden? 

message: I came accross a small article published in the New York Tribune, January 2nd. 1860 which reports; 'TAXATION LIGHTENED BY CONVICT LABOR.',- 'Sing Sing, N.Y., Jan.1.- The total earnings at Sing Sing Prison for December amount to $18,261.69. The expenditures were $15,209.23. The profits are $3,052.46.' It can be viewed printed under TELEGRAPHIC NOTES, fifth column, here: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1880-01-02/ed-1/seq-1/ . It would appear the convicts earned their keep and the profits were taken by the taxman.MZionC (talk) 15:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Published prison profits 

message: The images in any Wikipedia article should in some way enhance the text, either by illutsrating it, or by providing additional information or context which helps the reader to understand the subject.  As such, all images  need to be presented at a sufficient size to present that amount of information.  If the reader is interested in more visual details, they can click thorugh to the image page, but we should never make it necessary for the reader to interrupt their reading of the text just to see what the image is.  Postage-stamp sized images are, generally speaking, entirely useless unless they present logos or other very simple visual material; photographs with their relative complexity, must be shown at a size that provides good visibility so the reader can take them in. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:02, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked this up under Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Images, "Images should be inside the major section containing the content to which they relate (within the section defined by the most recent level 2 heading)" Expanding the section could also expand the image size, or a gallery could be remade per WP:Image galleries. Personally I do not see much the reader would need to "Click through", you have two large images stuck on one side of the page right on top of each other verses two smaller images in context within the sections and it is generally a users preference on how big the thumb sizes are. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Only registered users can set preferences, but Wikipedia is meant to be a resource for everyone.  The vast majority of people who see this article will see a teeny tiny little image.  In any case, your last layout (which, by the way, created great blocks of empty white space) did not use an unsized thumb, you set the sizes for 100px.Look, take my word for it, I do a lot of this work here, the layout is much better this way. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also note that the MoS is a guideline not hard-and-fast rules -- but in any case, you should note this section of the image page you quoted from:
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Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images in the article 

message: http://www.gamershell.com/articles/994.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Driver-Parallel-Lines-Cheats-Part-2-and-Glitches-Wii-69368.shtml
Two sources for this trivia about the video game 78.144.145.141 (talk) 18:07, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional popular culture 

message: The article contradicts itself.  Near the beginning it says there are "about 1700" inmates.  Further down in the "21st Century" section, it says there are more than 2000.  How many inmates are there really?  I tried finding this info on the NY DoC website, but couldn't find it.  Also, the link for the cite for the 1700 number doesn't work now.  Can someone else find the real number and correct the article? RudolfRed (talk) 05:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many inmates? 

message: Sing Sing#Executions claims In 1972, the United States Supreme Court ruled in Furman v. Georgia that the death penalty was unconstitutional. However, Furman v. Georgia stated only that the application of capital punishment in an arbitrary and capricious manner was unconstitutional, in contrast to the minority opinion that capital punishment was cruel and unusual per se. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 13:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutionality of executions - [[Furman v. Georgia]] 

message: Is Sing Sing a federal prison or a state prison?
--79.64.2.85 (talk) 17:58, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is it? 

message: More information is available in this newspaper article.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 01:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also 

message: :Sing Sing →  – Opening this discussion for debate regarding on whether the name of the article should just be "Sing Sing" or "Sing Sing Correctional Facility".  I consider any move in need for discussion.-- NewYorkRepub100 (talk) 05:35, 06 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, what's your rationale for feeling that the article should be moved? DonIago (talk) 19:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming of article 

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message: Hey, the list of directors is way too long. Maybe it should be compressed? Chockmoos (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. There's a separate list article anyhow. ɱ (talk) 18:52, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
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