Talk:List of TNA World Champions

message: Can we have the TNA recognised title reigns, perhaps in brackets after the wikipedia-recognised title reigns? For example, "Kurt Angle - 2 (1)" and an explanation that TNA view Angle for title win being for the NWA/World title, and the rest being for the TNA title.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.198.97 (talk) 13:30, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We have no way to source this today. What is currently in the article, is the sourced TNA's view at the time of the reign. He was TNA champion, stripped of the title, then won the title again at Slammiversary.--WillC 20:04, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

text: How the events when were as so, Christian Cage was the NWA Champion, the president of the NWA pulled the title from TNA, leaving Cage the last champion of a title owned by the NWA, not TNA. Title match at Sacrifice was for the "World Heavyweight Championship". Angle wins match. On Impact Angle is called the "TNA World Heavyweight Champion". He is then stripped of the title by Cornette. Reference in article shows press release over him being stripped. Making the title reign official. Angle goes on to Slammiversary to win King of the Mountain, winning the title for a second time. TNA ceases to recognize first reign afterwards.--WillC 20:57, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

text: The question is, do you even listen to yourself? The title never existed then. That is the issue. Those reigns will not be included as we've already had a consensus (agreement) established prior to not. You saying to included them does not over turn that. TNA use to view it that way then yes, it doesn't matter. The reigns are still not TNA Title reigns. Get that through your head, I can't believe someone can be that ignorant. We do not go by TNA's official view on things, we go by what actually happened. We note these types of things. As for the Angle reign, try looking at this.--WillC 06:43, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

text: You know what, this conversation is done. You want to say I'm insulting when you've said stick that in your pipe several times. You obviously do not understand what we are saying. FBH and I have explain things to you. A consensus was established, which is in the archives of this page. You have established nothing. "TNA heavyweight title" can be taken several ways. But even if its referring to the nwa title as the TNA Title, we have a link directly from TNA that shows they recognized the NWA World Title. You need to understand, no matter how much you argue it, the TNA Title DID NOT EXIST UNTIL MAY 2007. The link given is about the subject at had in this section. This section is over Angle, not Shamrock. If you want links, I can obviously and easily give way more links establishing my argument than you ever will be able too as I've been involved in this argument for 3 years.--WillC 23:06, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kurt Angle's title reigns

message: http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/columns/misc/loganpiekema01.html
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2005/06/26/1105525.html
(scroll down to second paragraph from the bottom)
...if I had more time there would be tons more. Note those are both from 2005. The Reliability of the first one MAY be questioned, but not the second.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.135.172.84 (talk) 09:30, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  some sources 

message: The TNA Title was created in May 2007 due the NWA pulling the NWA Title. As such, even though TNA did and probably still does recognize the NWA reigns as TNA reigns, we don't due to the title not existing then. We have references from WrestleView, Slam Sports, PW Torch, etc that can cover each of those reigns as NWA Title reigns. If needed we can establish TNA's view at the time, by using TNA sources. We currently still use TNA as a source, but only when it isn't contradicted by itself or by other sources, such as its revisionist history. Its verifiable that Shamrock was the first NWA World Heavyweight Champion in TNA and that it was the "heavyweight title" of TNA. The last NWA Champion in TNA was Cage, while the first TNA Champion in was Angle. That is the correct history of the title and each and everyone of these points can be sourced. However, every NWA reign can not be third party sourced as TNA reigns. The only source that can is the contradictory TNA history. This is the issue, the NWA Title was in TNA and as such it changed hands making each and every reign. We do not change history because a company wants to. Its like WWE trying to say Chris Benoit never existed, we don't delete every match, etc of his because WWE did. We go by what has happened. Thats the point of an encyclopedia.--WillC 23:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "No sources for any of that." It's all sourced, buddy. And all you did was find a couple of columnists making off-hand comments about the title, referring it as a TNA title. While the guy writing the Slam! Wrestling article about Christian did refer to the title as the "TNA heavyweight title" in a list of quick results from various promotions, the site's report for the event correctly calls the belt by its real name: . The rest of your "sources" are just sad and show the weakness of your pointless argument.TheFBH (talk) 12:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

text: What is this article called? Thats right List of TNA World Heavyweight Champions. This is not about the NWA's views. Bring that up there. Meanwhile we are gonna stay on subject, the TNA Title. The issue is, you aren't listening. We aren't saying Slam is not reliable, we are showing what they mean, while you are having selective viewing. Its a contradiction to call it two different things, so we go by the actual report of the event, not the footnote of the event. You can talk about basement dwelling fanboy sites, but it makes no difference, those are the sites we go on because if you haven't figured it out every article you've read on here about wrestling is written by fanboys, it makes no difference. The articles are still reviewed and perfected by editors who have no interest in wrestling. This is the internet, of course we go by wrestling sites. All wrestling fans are fanboys, thats the point. It doesn't discredit our argument that the title didn't exist until May 2007. You can't even disprove it didn't exist until May 2007.--WillC 15:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh also if you want sources, check TNA World Heavyweight Championship. Since I wrote it 2 years ago, I'm sure every source you need is right in there.--WillC 15:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

text: All I have to state to disprove your entire argument is it never existed before May 2007. You have to yet to prove the title was created before May 2007. They can't be talking about the TNA Title as it didn't exist until 2007. Use some Common Sense for once. You can't seem to get that through your head. It was created in May 2007 no matter how much TNA says the first champion was Shamrock. TNA even says the title began in May 2007. Use some common sense, the title began in May 2007, your argument fails. You can claim all you want about things that have nothing to do with the subject, it won't change things.--WillC 16:23, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Again you pay no attention. You keep mentioning the NWA's views. This has nothing to do with the NWA's views. You have listed no reliable source that changes that the TNA Title was created in May 2007. All you have shown is one little source that say "TNA heavyweight title", which in of itself isn't consistent as everyone writes titles like "TNA Heavyweight Title" and you completely ignored the results of the event in question. Here is another source that contradicts your view,  I was TNA Champ." (NWA Champ, actually.) . Common sense is also a policy here on wikipedia. Thats why I gave you the link. All the sources to back up mine and FBH's arguments are in the article. I mention writing the articles since I did write them, so I know the information regrading the history. You take it as I'm trying to control everything. All you've done is whine that you can't back up your argument. One source against 30 or 40. You need to read the policies you are listing.--WillC 20:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

text: No the lack of reply is because of your complete nonsense view on history. This discussion has gone on long enough. You've yet to establish your view as credible. You've shown one source. You got 30 or 40 reigns to source, still yet to do that.--WillC 14:14, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

text: We've stated time and time again our points, none of which you've disproven. We've shown how your points are flawed. So I'm going to leave one source of many, I want you to disprove what it says. Its from a reliable source, one you've also used. Winner Via Pinfall and STILL NWA Heavyweight Champion - "The Instant Classic" Christian Cage.--WillC 08:47, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Okay, lets see another case where if it backs your argument then it works. You take the Keller's report and claim it is their view. Then you get another editor from Slam who says their view once again and its good because it seemingly helps you. I see the only thing you will believe is TNA anymore. So here we go, I'm going to use TNA as a source and source the actual event:  You didn't disprove my source, instead you just ignored it. As for your link, its easy to discredit by actually reading the article. It says "TNA heavyweight strap", that is not the title. That is the heavyweight title belt in TNA. Anyone with common sense would easily see that the writer is referring to the heavyweight belt in TNA, not calling the title the TNA Heavyweight Championship. We've explained how the TNA sources don't count as its revisionist, we are trying to show what actually happened in history, lets see you show us that not what is said now. Shamrock I'll give you, but that is one small army. Majority wins here. As for dead links, I don't see any. And fanboy sites you speak of, while you have used PWTorch once, Online World of Wrestling which is extremely a fanboy site and 411Mania which is also a fanboy site, borderline dirtsheet that we don't even use here. However, I do believe it would be easy to find sources from each backing our arguments over your's. So I went ahead and did so: AJ Styles defeated Jeff Jarrett to capture the NWA World Heavyweight title! and NEW NWA CHAMPION AJ Styles. Same event, same match, two different sources, used by your reliable sources.  There is three discredit them and show they are wrong, TNA, Online world of wrestling, and 411Mania. You also have that other Slam ref, as well as the old TNA sources shown by me that TNA changed their view, etc. Are you still going to argue this? As everything before you shows you different, and your entire argument is held on TNA's revisionist view, Sharmrock's lone comment, and open view statements by writer or two. You are trying to change several articles passed on very few facts, compared to upwards of 50 sources that can be represented easily. Just end this, it isn't going anywhere. This isn't because I made it or want it to stay the same way. Its because its the truth, its whats factual, its the whole point articles are wrote, etc.--WillC 12:08, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

text: You do know everytime you say "Put that in your pipe" you are breaking WP:Civil, but since you seem to know oh so much about how things should be I'd assume you'd know that by now. And for this you can be blocked considering you've done it several times. However, here is the case, as there are more sources covering the NWA Title history and showing TNA's title history is flawed. Case in point being the old TNA history refs contradicting the view they recognize NWA Champs as being only TNA. As we must be able to verify that claim due to Wikipedia:Verifiability. The only claim able to be proven completely is they were two different titles, as there are sources covering every single World Heavyweight Championship reign in TNA being either TNA or NWA, however there are not sources able to cover every single title win in TNA as just TNA World Heavyweight Championship reigns one by one. So, case in point is the articles stay the same until you can provide more information. Thats how it is in a consensus, you must prove things for the information to be changed in order to reach an agreement.--WillC 14:07, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: This page is for the TNA World Heavyweight Champions. There's no arguing that. It gives the total history of the belt. Nothing should happen to this page. But with regard to TNA's history, should there be an alternate page detailing the combined history of World Heavyweight Champions in TNA? A page for both the Singles and Tag Teams were made years ago, here is an example of what it would look like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wrestlinglover/List_of_World_Heavyweight_Champions_in_TNA
I think this page would be a useful look into TNA's history, and provide a complete look at TNA's belt history since its inception. It can exist along with this page with no issue in my mind. What do others think about it though? I would like to move forward with this page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.250.16 (talk) 08:12, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: MMM, I don't think so. NWA and TNA are two separated titles. Also, TNA says Kurt Angle is the first TNA World Champion. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 00:09, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  A separate page for a complete TNA title history? 

message: I guess Josh Barnett should be recognized as champion, he defeated Lashley, but the match was restarted and Lashley became a 5 time champion. Technically, since Lashley was pinned, in witness of the referee and Barnett had the title handed to him, by the referee, his however many minutes of fame and reign should be recognized.... Do not have any more information yet.... This was a taped episode not aired.... Heru101 (talk) 01:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If the match was restarted, that means that the previous result is void, and Barnett was never champion. No, we don't list him. oknazevad (talk) 01:48, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Josh Barnett 

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message: After last night's AEW Rampage, Impact Wrestling sent out a media advisory (see here: https://twitter.com/TheGaryCassidy/status/1426465608024133638/photo/1) stating Christian Cage was previously a "two-time IMPACT World Heavyweight Champion, first claiming the title in early 2006 at the Against All Odds pay-per-view. Then, at Final Resolution in January 2007, he defeated Abyss and Sting in a three-way elimination match to reclaim the championship." Does this lend credence to the claim Impact now recoginizes the NWA champions from the 2002-2007 period as Impact champions? Should we start including them in this article now? Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Still a separate title. An imprecisely worded press release is not a valid reason to change everything. oknazevad (talk) 22:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm personally leaning toward recognition per the press release but I see your point - it does seem the press release may use the phrase "IMPACT World Heavyweight Champion" to avoid having to say "NWA World Heavyweight Champion". We should probably wait to this week's episode of Impact to see if they refer to Cage as a "3 time Impact World Champ" before we change anything in the article. Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 22:51, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the two championships being separate wouldn't matter if Impact begins recognizing the NWA champs as Impact champs. RevPro recognizes former IPW:UK Champions as former British Heavyweight Champions despite the championships being separate, which the British Heavyweight Championship article shows. Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 22:51, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Should we start including NWA Champions?

message: Given the kayfabe nature of titles, the length of each individual reign and the combined reigns should list either both dates or just the date the match was aired. 2601:346:C201:60C0:F822:F115:6A8:2C7 (talk) 02:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates Won vs Dates Aired