Talk:Ramsay MacDonald

message: Does anyone really see Ramsay MacDonald as "the father of appeasement"? Surely this is nonsense. --Mr impossible 09:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But that is not NPOV.  Please cite proof of your statement.--Billreid 17:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Miscellaneous

message: This sentence "In that same year, MacDonald was elected MP for Leicester along with 28 others" either needs re-writing, or we need some explanation of how 29 people became the Labour MP for Leicester.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.26.172 (talk) 19:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Active Politics

message: How has this article been so extensively written without any link to the Zinoviev Letter? I know that certain Wikipedians are allergic to anything that smells even faintly of conspiracy but this omission is taking the ...! If no-one objects, I'm going to write a little section next week.Garrick92 17:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Zinoviev letter

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:MacDonald Poster.jpg

message: Died: 9 November 1937 on the liner Reina del Pacifico on holiday during the crossing of the Atlantic.
Could not see mention of this in the main text...
Ref:
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page136.asp
Royzee 19:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death? 

message: How can he be proceeded and succeeded by the same person, i.e. Stanley Baldwin. Forgive me if I am mistake, but I believe this to be an error? 78.86.166.102 (talk) 02:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He had more than one period in office, alternating with Baldwin. No error. Timrollpickering (talk) 09:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error 

message: There was no General Election on 21st January 1924.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.22.155 (talk) 11:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Election 

message: Recently the file :File:(James) Ramsay MacDonald by Solomon Joseph Solomon.jpg (right) was uploaded and it appears to be relevant to this article and not currently used by it. If you're interested and think it would be a useful addition, please feel free to include it. Dcoetzee 17:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New file [[:File:(James) Ramsay MacDonald by Solomon Joseph Solomon.jpg]] 

message: This section contains the following passage:
"Great anger in the labour movement greeted MacDonald's move. Mass riots by unemployed people took place in protest in Glasgow and Manchester. Many in the Labour Party viewed this as a cynical move by MacDonald to rescue his career, and accused him of 'betrayal'. MacDonald, however, argued that the sacrifice was for the common good."
What does "this" refer to - MacDonald's move or the mass riots?  I guess the second sentence has been interpolated.  The passage would be better as: 
"Great anger greeted MacDonald's move.  Many in the Labour Party viewed it as a cynical move by MacDonald to rescue his career, accusing him of betrayal.  In response to the proposed reductions in public expenditure, the National Unemployed Workers' Movement led protest riots in Manchester and Glasgow and a strike by sailors, the Invergordon Mutiny, took place.
http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr244/sherry.htm Dave Sherry, "The Invergordon Mutiny", Socialist Review, No.244, September 2000]  MacDonald, however, argued that the sacrifice was for the common good." 
If there are no objections, I will put it in.   Marshall46 (talk) 12:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formation of the National Government 

message: There is no mention of foreign policy. Not even the mandates.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.146.10 (talk) 14:37, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Foreign policy

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Macdonald's government was responsible for the agreement, as he had only been out of office for eleven days when it was signed. (Sdjkl1 (talk) 13:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: SOurce please. BMK (talk) 18:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Negotiations began at the beginning of 1935. MacDonald is most remembered for begining the appeasement of Germany that was continued by Baldwin. (Sdjkl1 (talk) 19:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Source, please.  Information on Wikipedia is based on verifiable information, sourced by citations from reliable sources, not by repetition of claims on the talk page, or edit-warring in the article - so please provide sources for this information. BMK (talk) 00:00, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglo-German Naval Agreement 

message: In 1892, MacDonald impressed the local [Dover] Association and was adopted as its candidate, announcing that his candidature would be under a Labour Party banner. He denied that the Labour Party was a wing of the Liberal Party...
 
(In 1900) The ILP was more rigorously socialist than the once and future Labour Party...
All of this suggests that there was an official entity called the ‘Labour Party’ at this time. Are you sure he wasn’t referring to the ILP? Valetude (talk) 23:18, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  First use of ‘Labour Party’ 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: How come when he was the first Labour Prime Minister, the article says that the government was dominated by the Conservatives?Vorbee (talk) 06:44, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: His first government, January to November 1924, was a Labour government, as was his government from 1929-1931. In 1931 he then formed a National Government which came to be dominated by the Tories. See First MacDonald ministry, Second MacDonald ministry, and National Government (1931) respectively. DuncanHill (talk) 12:23, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

text: As the article says "... leading minority Labour governments in 1924 and in 1929–31. He headed a National Government from 1931 to 1935, dominated by the Conservative Party and supported by only a few Labour members." which I think is clear enough. DuncanHill (talk) 12:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Labour Party

message: "Harv error: CITEREFMorgan1987 has multiple targets (2×)." The two targets are Austen Morgan's "J. Ramsay MacDonald" and Ken Morgan's " Labour People: Leaders and Lieutenants Hardy to Kinnock ". DuncanHill (talk) 05:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is still outstanding ten months later. DuncanHill (talk) 11:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference problems - Morgan 1987 

message: We have refs like "Marquand, p. 24" but two works by Marquand are listed. Now to those already familiar with the works it may be obvious that those with page numbers are to the Jonathan Cape book and not the ODNB article, but it is unfair on our readers to expect this level of knowledge of the sources. DuncanHill (talk) 05:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another reference problem - Marquand 

message: There are some refs to newspapers without page numbers or article titles. DuncanHill (talk) 05:47, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ref problems - newspapers 

message: Article asserts that
"In the event the Zinoviev letter had little effect, as the Labour vote actually increased. It was the collapse of the Liberal Party that led to the Conservative landslide."
This to me seems like conjecture, although perfectly possible that letter has no effect, the fact that the liberal vote collapsed does not prove this. Perfectly possible that without the letter more of the previously liberal voters would have voted for labour. Coopsinio (talk) 10:27, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggestion that Zinoviev letter had little effect 

message: MacDonald denounced the Treaty of Versailles: "We are beholding an act of madness unparalleled in history".
:What aspect of the Treaty did he object to?
Valetude (talk) 19:20, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Versailles Conference 

message: The section on MacDonald's "revised" legacy is complete and utter horseshit. An unencyclopaedic disgrace. A handful of hard-right, pro-Blair, pro-Clinton scholars are cited as experts, speaking in favour of an economic "reality" which has subsequently collapsed. Get better, more diverse and more balanced sources or I'm blanking it.
DublinDilettante (talk) 22:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have reliable sources then please use them to improve the article. Simply blanking cited material because it offends your political sensibilities will not be viewed favourably. DuncanHill (talk) 23:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neoliberal apologist bullshit