Talk:Zaporozhian Cossacks/Archive 1

message: Given the conversation and arguments we are having under the NPOV heading above, do most people agree that it should be "few" Kuban cossacks maintaining a Ukrainian identity or "none".  PErhaps input from other people can resolve this issue.
:so where are your few? Some man in Michigan? --Kuban Cossack  17:52, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some hard facts for you, evidence is presented throught the text. 
# In Kuban you will not find more -enkos or -chuks than in any other Russian area. 
# You can be as Chauvistic as you like about us being victims os Soviet propaganda, but remember we are still Kuban Cossacks, and as for Ukraine I can always say it is nothing but Russian land that has fallen victim to Polish/Austrian/Soviet Ukrainisation, and that Ukrainian language is nothing but Polonised Russian.
#Finally the language we speak itself is fully integrated into literary Russian. We write in Russian. Our dialect has some influences of 18th century Ukrainian as well as many words borrowed from Caucasus tribes.
#As for emerge families that is Original Research. But perhaps a little bit of history might be better first:
In 1916 the regiment that Cossacks from our Stanitsa was from, after proudly fighting in the Brusilov breakthrough came under Mustard Gas attack. The gassed soldiers were sent home where they lived. Three of my Greatgranfather were them. As they were sent home they a desiase was brought into the Stanitsa and as the Russian Civil War began most people were simply to sick to fight. Some chose to side with Denikin, but upon retreating his troops managed to make a good loot off the houses. When the Bolsheviks arrived there was nothing to take. Those that did leave with him later settled in London. I'll return to them later. As for us well it was simple peasent life, during the 1933 famine my greatgrandfather was part of the relief mission to the Don. Our stanitsa, Varenikovskaya, which was always famous for its larch Cherry orhads became the largest producer of Cherry in the USSR via a collective farm. In 1930s the only change was that instead of teaching in rural schools with our local dialect, balachka, teaching was done in standard Russian. During the war EVERYBODY fought against the Nazi filth. Shaming that is most inhumane. One of my Grandfathers was a bomber navigator, another was a tank commander. However third row fourth from the left is my third Grandfather in Cossack regiments of the RKKA on the Victory Parade, after going all the way from Stalingrad to Vienna and returning to walk on the Red Square. That pride you can never take away from us. By us I mean that any stanitsa you go to, and Cossack heritage will be everywhere. 
Back to the London people. In the war they fought as volunteer corps in North Africa and in Italy. In 1988 their descendants chose visit the home stanitsa. One woman was so impressed with the lifestyle that her grandfather so talked about she chose to stay, married a local Cossack, and as a result my English knowledge, as she teaches in the same school that in 1989 they reverted to Balachka teaching. Her children are going to grow up as pride Cossacks despite being ethnically 3/8 English. Well if that is the case about ethnicity that would mean Pushkin or Gogol cannot be considered as Russian authors. Finally were does Ukraine come into this? Where in Ukraine are you going to see people wearing Cherkesskas, dancing Lezginkas or even having such developed horse breeding? As for us in 1989 having nothing it is true, but so did my ancestors in early 19th century when they first set foot on the Kuban land. Yet they, like us, had Cossack will and pride, something none of you kozel-ks (sorry I can't help but to laugh each time I see that twisted word) will ever undertand. So what matters if some generals took away our banners and our regalia, because it is our free blood that is our strongest banner. Despite the destruction of the Zaporozhian sech, our ancestors made the proud Kuban Cossack Host, which fought for our Empire's glory many times. Now we are again here. There are 20 thousand of us, modern weapons, modern training. Combat experience (our ataman is an Afganets, Hero of the Soviet Union btw) and pride in our ancestors. Sorry but I would rather sort out Ukraine's problem first before pointing fingers at us. Btw I underestimated Alexandr Moroz, he trully is a great man. --Kuban Cossack  10:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kuban Cossack Identity

message: Russia won the war?! I would say it lost - it won only the peace, Poland won last battles, but had to sign unfabourable peace despite those victories because of internal situationSzopen 09:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Poland (or Lithuania?) won the war - and lost half its territory? Amusing. --Ghirla -трёп- 12:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russia won the war? 

message: Beginning in 1795, some of the Black Sea Cossacks moved to the Kuban area where they formed the basis of the Kuban Cossack Host[citation needed].
Will someone please provide a citation for this assertion, else it will have to be removed before long.
Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 16:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no need to cite a general knowledge fact. --Kuban Cossack  18:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed.