Talk:Giovanni da Verrazzano

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I've changed Verrazano Narrows to the more correct Narrows which is the historical name for the strait between Long Island and Staten Island. Although "Verrrazano Narrows" has gained coinage in recent years to refer to strait, it is, as far I can tell a result of confusion based on the name of the bridge, which was named Verrazano Narrows Bridge because it spanned the Narrows and also commerorated Giovanni da Verrazano, not because it because spanned a (non-existant) strait called the "Verrazano Narrows." Decumanus 08:29, 17 Jan 2004 
"...Verrazano made 3 more voyages...on the second... he was killed." Someone who knows what they are talking about should fix this. david 25 Jan 2004
:It's being done. This article does not do justice to Verrazzano and I've been collecting material for a much better and thorough article. I've been reading through the logs of his voyage in order to write a nice summary of what actually happened. As for his death, the best sources I can find say he was hanged by the Spanish (since he spent much of his career preying on their ships).Jan 26,2004
the personal life of 
Giovanni De Verrazano that you can help me study. Other than that I understand every thing that you have given me. Thanks for all your help on my project, and your time, but if you could really help me please type back.
The date for his first voyage is 1524, according to two other sources. Should this be changed?
Amarite1 (talk) 20:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Corrections

message: It seems that Encyclopedia Britannica (ed. 1993) gives the spelling Giovanni da Verrazzano (which, by the way, is also the CORRECT Italian form). I was thinking to move this page to the correct spelling one. Let me know opinions at my talk. --Attilios 09:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Giovanni da VerrazZano

message: This is not my area of expertise so I dont want to change any of the factual content. But May I submit that unless the naming ceremony is conducted in Christian ceremony it is not 'Christened'. While most of us knows what that means it is not correct and can incorrectly indicate a bias towards a Christian interpretation of history. I made the change already and I hope you agree.
--Robotics1 17:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Some PC changes

message: I know the article states that Verrazano can be wrote several differant ways, but the title and the article are not consistant? Could someone correct this?
:I added the Globalize/USA markup because the Verrazano spelling is clearly a bias from US users, which are used to it. However, the correct spelling is Verrazzano. Check, for example, Encyclopedia Britannica entry... and I seem that this is still the most respectble source in US, I hope you agree. --Attilios 23:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, Verrazzano was Italian, not Spanish. I can't explain how easily American people confound Italians with Spanish, especially with language (would you be pleased if I'd confound you with a Norwegian only 'cause your language are somewhat similar?). Moreover, the note was clearly misleading: as the spelling confirmed by ALL serious sources (even English ones) is Verrazzano, to write "sometimes" is rather reductive, isn't it? Anyway, this encyclopedia is written in English, and that's true. However, it is not the Encyclopedia of the English motherlanguage people. And I seem that Verrazano is the spelling of US people mainly, so you should try to put here the most internationally recognized form of the name, even though the article is written in English. A question: what if I started a poll to redime the matter? Bye and good work. --Attilios 12:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry your right he's Italian, I've been dealing with a lot of 15-16th C exploration stuff lately, and have not studied Giovanni closely yet, so made a thoughtless assumption (at this point, if someone mistook me as Canadian, I would be happy). Well, whatever the correct spelling, there is no doubt that many published sources use a single z. As for the "sometimes", that was not my wording, and it's good to have more clarity on the "correct" spelling, but it would be even better if we had a source to back it up, because what if someone disagreed in the future. I'm really not sure how widespread it is in the USA, or what the nature of the spelling variation is, perhaps bringing in other people to comment would help. -- Stbalbach 15:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also like to be a Spanish... now, seen the quality of life and teh corruption in Italy today. --Attilios 16:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (laugh) well problems all around. --Stbalbach 17:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: Regarding this sentence: Giovanni da Verrazzano was an Italian explorer versus this sentence: Giovanni da Verrazzano was a Florentine explorer
I don't agree [with Florentine]. Florence is today just a city. We should begin to write a Paduan, a Mantuan, a Cagliaritan etc. artist for each of the cities they come from? OK, Florence was once a country of its own, but this, at Verrazzano's times, was true for at lease 100 other Italian entities. I think you can find such a distinction between old Italian states only in old-fashioned encyclopedias like Britannica and Catholic. Bye. --Attilios 18:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When writing history we use the historic name. Sometimes the modern name is used in parens, like (in modern Florence) -- this is standard throughout Wikipedia.  -- Stbalbach 18:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand: what do you mean with "historical name"?!? We are speaking of countries, not names. And, in Wikipedia is standard to cite its current (equivalent, or cultural) nationality. So, you have a lot of people from former Germany which is cited as German painter, composer etc, not "Saxon painter" or "Prussian composer" etc. Bye. --Attilios 17:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there is no absolutist Wikipedia rule, it is done different ways depending on the context and historical situation. In this case it is relevant and important, historically, to mention he was from Florence (and not, say, Genoa, another important place for Italian explorers). We speak of Constantinople and Istanbul depending on what time period it is, so yes we do use the historical names. Italian is ethnicity, there was no nation of Italy, Florentine is place of origin and more specific (there was no "nation" of Florence, it was akin to a commune). In any case since the compromise solution was reverted its going to have to be a straw poll as the next step. -- Stbalbach 19:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Florentine or Italian

message: This is a straw poll for input on the first sentence of the article. Should it be mentioned he was a Florentine, or Italian, or both? 
*Florentine or Both. Some form of wording that said he was both an Italian and a Florentine, although it is somewhat redundant, so just saying he was Florentinian, as the article was originally, would be fine. Italian is ethnicity, and Florentine is place of origin (there was no nation of Italy at the time). It is relevant and important, historically, to mention he was from Florence and not, say, Genoa, another important place for Italian explorers and which was a competitor of Florence. -- Stbalbach 19:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw poll: Florence or not in lead section?

message: This line seems odd: 
"The continent would not be fully mapped until almost the 20th century. "
I take it to mean the arctic parts of Canada weren't mapped until then, but makes it sound like Verrazzano's error was a VERY long time in being corrected.  Previous revisions mentioned it took a century.
 
75.165.55.86 (talk) 19:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mapping of north America 

message: The very definite statement that he was eaten by cannibals (who could prove that?), who left leftovers that were shared with his family is very colorful, but probably there's far too much uncertainty (disputed for centuries) to leave this as it stands today. Twang (talk) 16:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Death of Verrazano

message: On the image can be read morto nel MDXXV (dead in 1525), which doesn't agree with the date of death published on this article (1528). Which is right ? --Aldo Caruso (talk) 14:30, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Death date of Verrazzano

message: Verrazzano entered Penobscot Bay, his last landfall prior to passing Nova Scotia and reaching Newfoundland, thereafter he returned to France. Ekem (talk) 21:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Map is inaccurate

message: verrazzano was rediscovered by a frenchman living in new york named Jacques Habert author of "When new york was called Angoulême" published in ny in 1949 (based on his thesis statement presented at the university of comlombia and paris sorbonne). in 1964 the new york times hailed Jacques Habert as the "godfather" of the verrazano bridge since no one in usa remembered about verrazano (american historian Murphy who's quoted in the current wikipedia article thought that verrazano was a corsair named Jean Fleury...). the bridge was about to be called hudson bridge but there was a buzz about Jacques Habert's thesis and the bridge was christened verrazano for he is the real discoverer of the ny bay (long before englishman hudson). "Judging from the great emotion in the French community over the opening of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, one might think that the explorer was born in France. And maybe he was." wrote philip h. dougherty in the new york times of november 19, 1964 (in the article called "FRENCHMEN HAIL VERRAZANO HERE; Delegation Flies In to Help Open Bridge on Saturday"). Jacques Habert discovered verrazzano archives at Rouen in france and wrote biographies ("La Vie et les voyages de Jean de Verrazane" in 1964 and "Verrazane : Quand New York s'appelait Angoulême" in 1993) where he claims that verrazzano is actually born in Lyon, france in 1481 (not 1485!) which is the reason why there is now a public college in lyon called Jean de Verrazane... Madame Grinderche (talk) 13:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "one might think that the explorer was born in France. And maybe he was." new york times nov.19, 1964

message: I originally added "so was Verrazzano executed by cannibalism? Or are you saying that there is controversy, but not actually saying this?". Can anyone please provide some clarification for this and sources? Thanks. --14.200.68.118 (talk)   — Preceding undated comment added 06:29, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Death or execution?

message: There seems to be a controversy about the spelling of the name [www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/nyregion/some-see-the-verrazano-bridge-others-see-a-big-typo.html] and although the spelling with one Z was promoted at the time by the executive director of the Italian Historical Society of America based on the way Verraz[z]ano spelled his own name, there now seems to be a consensus that the correct spelling is with two Z's. Can anybody explain why the correct spelling should be one or the other?--2604:2000:C54F:E500:1DA2:38CF:26EE:15C0 (talk) 13:13, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name spelling 

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message: According to this article, Verrazzano was "first European to explore the Atlantic coast of North America between Florida and New Brunswick in 1524". However, the entry for Sebastian Cabot (explorer) states that he sailed south to Chesapeake Bay in the spring of 1509. Which one is it?
User:CycloneYoris, the cited page describes Verrazzano's exploration of Narragansett Bay, but it doesn't say he was the first. 144.96.41.37 (talk) 23:43, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  First to explore the East Coast?