Portal talk:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board/Archive 10

message: Is this category for Poles of Lithuanian origins, like Czesław Miłosz, or for Polish minority in Lithuanian Republic?Xx236 (talk) 09:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The second, I believe, but that and relevant categories could use some cleanup.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  13:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Polish Lithuanians]] 

message: Is there a uniform format for people associated with Polish Universities?  Eg, in :Category:Jagiellonian University, there is :Category:Alumni of Jagiellonian University (though I think this would be better called :Category:Jagiellonian University alumni), but no :Category:Jagiellonian University faculty.  On the other hand, :Category:University of Warsaw has what I would expect in terms of faculty/alumni (for the longest of times, even that was not good, but it finally got fixed a couple of months ago).  As for Warsaw University of Technology, it's a mess: no :Category:Warsaw University of Technology, no cat for faculty (no one notable there since 1826?), only the poorly named :Category:Alumni of Warsaw University of Technology, with a single alumnus (!).  Also, :Category:Academics by university in Poland has only one subcategory (U. Warsaw)!  At any rate, I could go on, but let me stop.  This is a bit frustrating, since I run all the time into articles where I would like to fit in such cats -- for some countries, this is very well done, for others, much less so (see :Category:People by university, :Category:People by educational institution, :Category:Academics by university, :Category:Alumni by university or college for more on this). I'm willing to help if there is interest in this, but I figure I'd better ask, first.  Turgidson (talk) 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Universities and colleges in Poland]] 

message: According to German Wiki 95% of the local population has Polish roots. M.K. removes this information. I bet he can find the number in Lithuanian sources, but he prefers to be consor. Is it true that Wikipedia is unreliable? Wow!Xx236 (talk) 15:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: German wiki, or any wiki, is not a reliable source per WP:RS. Find a reliable source and it will stay, but unreferenced wiki cruft cannot be defended.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  13:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: lt:Medininkų seniūnija informs:
3,2% lietuvių, 93,2% lenkų, 2,9% rusų
No source. Now I'm not allowed to quote the apparently statistical office data but I have the right to quote less reliable data from a newspaper. What about removing all Lithuanian Wikipedia unsourced articles?Xx236 (talk) 14:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to edit Lithuanian Wikipeidia, I suggest discussing it there; this is for English Wikipedia discussion.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  14:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: According the "Атлас Литовской ССР",1981 map at p.129, Medininkai had (using 1979 census data) 500 - 1000 population and approx.10% Lithuanians, 10% Belorussians, the rest - Poles. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 10:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Medininkai]] 

message: I've created an article on Testament of Bolesław III Krzywousty, and worked on some of articles form that period. How should we translate dzielnica? Currently we have two articles on Duchy, and two on Province:
* Duchy of Greater Poland
* Duchy of Masovia
* Silesian Province
* Seniorate Province
The latter is also reffered to as Senioral Province or Duchy of Cracow/Kraków; I don't think it is called 'Senioral Duchy'? Silesian Province is known as Duchy of Silesia (disambig). We still need an article on Sandomierz Duchy/Province. Sigh. A mess. As usual :) Help and comments appreciated! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  23:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the term Duchy of Sandomierz (Ksiestwo Sandomierskie) is the most popular. IMHO use either Province or Land of Sandomierz, as Ziemia Sandomierska seems to be frequently used. Tymek (talk) 17:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Land (ziemia) has a different meaning, I believe. Ziemia sandomierska is not the same thing as dzielnica sandomierska  (although they may be close).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Sounds reasonable. Should we move current DoS to Dos (disambiguation)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  02:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The current DoS dab page does not conform to MOS:DAB. I think it would be best to merge "Silesian Province" (info about the medieval duchy) into "Duchy of Silesia" (the most common common phrasing in English). "Duchies of Silesia", including "Duchy of Upper and Lower Silesia", would be explained and linked to from "Duchy of Silesia". I don't see the need for a separate disambiguation page at all, actually. If necessary, the latter articles can be mentioned at the top of the merged article through WP:TMG. Olessi (talk) 21:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you do so? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  22:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I'll try to take a look at everything tonight or tomorrow. Olessi (talk) 22:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be much appreciated; can you also take a look at related #Czech Silesia below? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  02:01, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dzielnice 

message: please observe the move history of Duchy of Opava and Nicholas I, Duke of Opava. Henq (talk) 22:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See also Talk:Duchies of Silesia, and discussion pages of various Duchies affected by RM silliness. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  22:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech Silesia 

message: I have created an article about Poland's worst airline disaster LOT Polish Airlines Flight 5055 any input will be appreciated. The article also can highlight the "quality" of goods produced in the USSR (and the small value of life in the USSR). Mieciu K (talk) 23:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. If you could expand it more, it could be DYKed! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  01:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  LOT Polish Airlines Flight 5055 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Causes_of_World_War_II#Polish_pre-war_massacres_of_Germans
Interested editors are welcomed to voice their opinion
--Molobo (talk) 00:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh my. Such extreme revisionist/denialism attitude suprizes me even after years of dealing crackpot theories on Wiki. I'd suggest asking User:Kirill Lokshin for input, he may now if there are applicable policies to deal with such lunacy.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  02:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let's just try to stay calm and assume good faith, people from other countries often have little or no knowledge about the history of Poland during WWII and it's also our job to change that. The simplest answer to that question is that if there were any real or made up massacres than we would have already written Wikipedia articles about them. Mieciu K (talk) 12:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not read the lengthy talk quoted above in detail, but do you state that "any real or made up massacres" related to interbellum Poland are either already covered by en-Wiki articles, or have not occurred (no matter who did it, Gleiwitz-style)? If there is already one or more article, please point me to it. How about documenting Staged or alleged Polish_pre-war_massacres_of_Germans, or similar, starting with the Gleiwitz incident, adding some of the documented German commando acts in late August, plus whatever the Nazis claimed around the time? -- Matthead  DisOuß   14:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have an article - Operation Himmler - although it is indeed in need of expansion.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  14:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know we do not have any reliable sources to write Wikipedia articles about pre-war massacres of ethnic German by Poles. There are no tabu subjects in today's Poland so someone would  already try to write a book about those events if they had been real. Of course due to the political atmosphere of that time numerous acts of violance against ethnic Germans or their property have probably taken place but such events can hardly be called massacres. Mieciu K (talk) 15:01, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  An editor asks if WW2 would happen if not for pre-war Polish mass murder of German people 

message: I believe that 1939 in the name is POV. Xx236 (talk) 10:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  11:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I am sorry but I don't understand what you are saying. Perhaps you should post a detailed explanation in Polish, too? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  16:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I do not accept these events either, but after Sept 1939 Wilno Voivodeship, just like any other voivodeship, ceased to exist, whether we like it or not. Tymek (talk) 17:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: De facto ceased to exist. Mieciu K (talk) 18:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: And the fact it wasn't legal doesn't change the fact that they died.--Kotniski (talk) 08:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wilno Voivodeship (1923–1939)]] 

message: I would like to create this article.  Can anyone provide sources? Appleseed (Talk) 15:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing ATM but I would love to read it and see it DYKed once it is ready! PS. See also to Extraordinary rendition by the United States and National missile defense, perhaps? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  16:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this image, there are no US bases in Poland, but Poland does provide use of its military facilities to the US. Appleseed (Talk) 18:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of military facilities of the United States in Poland]] 

message: Country Poland, Austria - rather Nazi Germany or Germany, AustriaXx236 (talk) 15:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Heimkehr]] 

message: A very interesting unit, help is much appreciated. 49th Hutsul Rifle Regiment Tymek (talk) 17:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  49th Hutsul Rifle Regiment 

message: I found a very useful template that I believe can be put to good use on articles regarding Polish and Central and Eastern European history.
--Molobo (talk) 14:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks nice but I fear it could be added to hundreds of articles which in my opinion is not the best way to go. - Darwinek (talk) 14:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Incidentally, the same can be said – not only about the subject of European history, but also – about the entire world history, at one point or another. --Poeticbent talk 18:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A very useful template 

message: The article whitewashes Gustav Ucicky. they quietly sabotaged virtually every effort from Berlin to generate Nazi propaganda, making serious dramas Heimkehr (1941) was also honored at the Venice festival. Xx236 (talk) 16:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Gustav Ucicky]] 

message: Should anyone wish to comment, it has been proposed here to move "Tadeusz Kościuszko" to "Thaddeus Kosciuszko."  Nihil novi (talk) 03:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch; I hope we have nibbed this in its infancy. There are controversial if debatable moves, and there is... that :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  23:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move "[[Tadeusz Kościuszko]]"? 

message: Some editors have suggested that due to territorial changes an article about formerly German city should be split into two-one for pre-1945 situation, one article treating the city as entiraly post-1945 creation. I believe such thing could lead to similiar treatment of Wrocław, Gdańsk, Szczecin, being cut into two into Wrocław for post-1945 city and Breslau before 1945. Naturally the outcome of such decision would influence articles about Poland.
The discussion is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kaliningrad#Some_more_additions_to_name_K.C3.B6nigsberg
Interested editors are welcomed to share their opinion.--Molobo (talk) 18:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For those interested, the proposal is not about two entirely different cities, but about the application of summary style. No one has proposed changes to how cities in Poland are treated, and proposals on different articles should be discussed on their own merit anyway. Olessi (talk) 18:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Olessi it is obvious that this precedence would influence both discussions and Polish related articles since the situation of this city is similar if not identical to the ones in Poland.--Molobo (talk) 18:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is discussing "a precedent" (except for you, evidently). There's now an RfC on this, so no need to continue beating the sensationalism drum here, either. Sciurinæ (talk) 19:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

text: If Kaliningrad will be split then logic dictates Polish cities like Wrocław, Szczecin, Gdańsk should be split also, thus such a move will be a precedent, upon further changes to other articles would be supported. After all the situation is identical.--Molobo (talk) 21:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A precedence is being discussed which could mean Wrocław, Szczecin, Gdańsk will be seperated from their pre-1945 history and treated as new cities 

message: In a series of almost laughable vandalisms (, ) reminescent of this troll, several Polish-Lithuanian articles are being vandalized. Please keep watching the article(s) and revert vandalism if spotted. He has so far vandalized Polish minority in Lithuania and Vilnius district municipality; he is using various IPs meaning it is possible I have not uncovered all of his edits.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  23:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zvinbudas returns? Please watch [[Polish minority in Lithuania]] 

message: I have translated of the famous/infamous "do not fight the bolsheviks" quote I am wondering if "Soviets" and "bolsheviks" should be capitalised in this quote? Mieciu K (talk) 21:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I guess they should. I've made the necessary changes.--Kotniski (talk) 08:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: What do you mean by "it" the quote or the article? Mieciu K (talk) 13:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I presume P. means the article. But I'm not sure why - are the events of 1939 on a different scale of notability than those of 1920?--Kotniski (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet invasion of Poland (1939) 

message: Dear WikiProject Poland. I and others under wikiProject:European Union am trying to sort out the European Parliament articles before the June 2009 elections. I have created stub articles for the 13 constituencies in Poland, but I am unsure if they have the correct names. This situation has arisen because the relevant legislation ("The Act of 23 January 2004 on Elections to the European Parliament") doesn't give the constituencies formal names: instead, it gives each of them a number, description, and location of the Constituency Electoral Commission (e.g. "Constituency No 2  - covers the territory of the Kujawsko-Pomorskie Voivodeship, the location of the Constituency Electoral Commission is Bydgoszcz").
There seem to be three commonly-used options as follows:
===Option 1: call them by the names of the Voivodships whose borders they follow===
* The names: 1) Pomorskie, 2) Kujawsko-Pomorskie, 3) Podlaskie and Warminsko-Mazurskie,  4) City of Warszawa, 5) Mazowieckie, 6) Lodzkie,  7) Wielkopolskie,  8) Lubelskie,  9) Podkarpacie, 10) Malopolskie and Swietokrzyskie, 11) Slaskie,  12) Dolnoslaskie and Opolskie,  13) Lubuskie and Zachodnio-Pomorskie
* Who calls them this? Polish National Election Commission , European Parliament Election Website , parts of pl.wikipedia , , , , , , and so on
===Option 2: call them by the names of the location of their Constituency Electoral Commission===
* The names: 1) Gdansk, 2) Bydgoszcz, 3) Olsztyn, 4) Warszawa, 5) Warszawa II, 6) Lodz, 7) Poznan, 8) Lublin, 9) Rzeszow, 10) Krakow, 11) Katowice, 12) Wroclaw, 13) Gorzow Wielkopolski
* Who calls them this? Electoral Geography , other parts of pl wikipedia , , , , , and so on
===Option 3: call them by their numbers===
* The names: 1) Constituency No 1, 2) Constituency No 2, 3) Constituency No 3, 4) Constituency No 4, 5) Constituency No 5, 6) Constituency No 6, 7) Constituency No 7, 8) Constituency No 8, 9) Constituency No 9, 10) Constituency No 10, 11) Constituency No 11, 12) Constituency No 12, 13) Constituency No 13
* Who calls them this? The Act of 23rd January 2004 on Elections to the European Parliament 
The articles are currently listed under their voivodeship names (see Template:European_Parliament_constituencies_2004-2009, albeit under the English transliterations, i.e. "Lower Silesian and Opole" instead of "Dolnoslaskie and Opolskie")
So my questions to you are:
* What are the names by which the European Parliament constituencies in Poland are generally or officially known?
* Do you have a reliable secondary source referring to them as such?
Thank you for your assistance in this matter, Kind Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 21:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, thanks for a long question. Well, I think generally media and public tend to use the first variant, it is the regional ones. For correct naming, I would propose to use the English names as used at Voivodeships of Poland, they are generally established by consensus here. Second variant seems also quite logic and good. One way or another, it is up to WikiProject European Union members to decide. By the way, I am from the Czech Republic, any problems with names for constituencies in the Czech Rep.? No? Haa, just kidding. We use one electoral district, whole country = no problem. - Darwinek (talk) 22:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poland European Parliament constituency names 

message: * The names: 1) Constituency No 1, 2) Constituency No 2, 3) Constituency No 3, 4) Constituency No 4, 5) Constituency No 5, 6) Constituency No 6, 7) Constituency No 7, 8) Constituency No 8, 9) Constituency No 9, 10) Constituency No 10, 11) Constituency No 11, 12) Constituency No 12, 13) Constituency No 13
* Who calls them this? The Act of 23rd January 2004 on Elections to the European Parliament 
The articles are currently listed under their voivodeship names (see Template:European_Parliament_constituencies_2004-2009, albeit under the English transliterations, i.e. "Lower Silesian and Opole" instead of "Dolnoslaskie and Opolskie")
So my questions to you are:
* What are the names by which the European Parliament constituencies in Poland are generally or officially known?
* Do you have a reliable secondary source referring to them as such?
Thank you for your assistance in this matter, Kind Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 21:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, thanks for a long question. Well, I think generally media and public tend to use the first variant, it is the regional ones. For correct naming, I would propose to use the English names as used at Voivodeships of Poland, they are generally established by consensus here. Second variant seems also quite logic and good. One way or another, it is up to WikiProject European Union members to decide. By the way, I am from the Czech Republic, any problems with names for constituencies in the Czech Rep.? No? Haa, just kidding. We use one electoral district, whole country = no problem. - Darwinek (talk) 22:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 3: call them by their numbers

message: I run a bot that adds geographical coordinates to articles that do not already have them, based on cross-referencing Wikipedia dump data with the U.S. government's GEONET Names Server data, applying multiple sanity checks to try to prevent false positives. Recently, it hasn't been doing very well with Polish locations, since they seem to have particularly large numbers of cases where two places in Poland have the same name.
Does anyone have a good source of machine-readable GFDL-compatible geodata for Polish locations? If so, please leave me a note on my talk page. -- The Anome (talk) 00:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish geodata sources 

message: The article doesn't inform about Polish minority and my editions were removed, Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Vilnius being allegedly a better place for them. That article is  based however mostly on 1913 data. Would someone be so kind to contribute adding some 20 century data?Xx236 (talk) 12:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Roman Catholicism in Lithuania]] 

message: This may be a stupid question, but I figure I will ask anyway.  In with fire and sword, was Helena Kurcewiczówna technically Polish?  I only ask because in my English copy, she is identified as Ruthenian. Should her article identify her as Polish? Ostap 01:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: She was the daughter of a Knyaz Wasyl Kurcewicz and an unknown woman, and I think Sienkiewicz thought of her as a citizen of the Commonwealth of Ruthenian origin. IMHO she was a Ruthenian, who later became Polonised. By the way, Izabella Scorupco, who played her in the movie is blond, and real Helena from the book was dark-haired. Tymek (talk) 20:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Ostap 20:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I would like to kindly ask your opinion on this view expressed by EconomistBR. He uses pretty strong words (sometimes close to NPA violation) to describe his revert of my map (which I, after explaining my reasons, restored). Still, I am assuming he's doing it in good faith and thus I would like to ask your opinion on the justness of his action (irrespective of the tone he uses, which probably is somewhat less typical than in regular Wikiconversations). Any comment on the sense of keeping or deleting the CIA categories (and a map) are most appreciated in this request for comment. Pundit|utter 21:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA World Factbook as a source 

message: Just to inform, there is a Request for Move on Talk:Casimir I of Poland. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 20:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:RM]] on [[Casimir I of Poland]] 

message: The article informs about a Nazi massacre of 1400-1500 Jews so the title should be rather Tykocin massacre.Xx236 (talk) 13:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Article creator requested that discussion be held at Talk:Tykocin pogrom.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tykocin pogrom]] 

message: I have mostly finished work on Polish culture during World War II. I will now stub and expand Polish culture in the Interbellum; if you have any suggestions (should the name be changed?) or sources I could use, let me know. Then I plan to work on the 1945-1989 culture, see my comment at Talk:Culture_of_Poland#Culture_in_People.27s_Republic_of_Poland and consider commenting there. Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  04:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish culture 

message: Proszę admina o sprawdzenie zawartości tego usuniętego pliku, czy nie ma tam podanego źródła zdjęcia. Być może problem polegał na złym doborze tagu licencji. A.J. (talk) 19:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell there was no source and no license. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:Leśmian.jpg]] 

message: I wonder if anyone here knows anything about the grandmother of the worldfamous ballerina Marie Taglioni? She was in fact Polish. Her name was Mariane Sophie Stebnowska (another version of her name was Maria Sofia Stempkosta), and she was an opera singer. She married Christoffer Christian Karsten and became the mother of the Swedish ballerina Sophie Karsten and grandmother of Marie Taglioni. She lived 1753-1848 and was from 1782 employed at the Royal Swedish Opera. There does not seem to be any information about her in Swedish wiki about her past before she arived in Sweden, but perhaps she was known in Poland in the 1770s? Perhaps she deserves her article here on English wiki? There does not seem to be any articles at all about Polish actors or singers from the 18th century here. --85.226.235.206 (talk) 20:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: sv:Sophie StebnowskaXx236 (talk) 12:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Polish grandmother of Marie Taglioni 

message: I would like to request this article to fill in a red link in . Editor(s) who could DYK it would certainly be eligible for an award. Any takers? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  06:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Postage stamps and postal history of Poland]] 

message: Should they be merged?  and . Perhaps we could split them into historical (pre-89) and modern (post-89)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I'd keep the first one and not bother with a split (unless the navbox becomes uncomfortably big, which won't be for a few years yet).--Kotniski (talk) 21:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I am for the first one, it is a standard template for all countries. - Darwinek (talk) 21:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Polish elections templates 

message: Falanga didn't exist during WWII, neither did the ONR.Xx236 (talk) 15:48, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Template:Polish Underground State sidebar]] 

message: I am thinking about restarting Polish Collaboration of the Month. Would anybody be interested in this?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  06:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, count me in. Tymek (talk) 19:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish Collaboration of the Month 

message: I am planning a series of articles about pre-1939 Polish fortifications, both in the east and the west. I started with the Sarny Fortified Area, and help is welcome. Perhaps somebody could make the Category Polish Interbellum Fortifications? Tymek (talk) 20:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Category should be probably "Forts in Poland", in line with other similar categories. - Darwinek (talk) 21:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But then Sarny and many other places would not be included. Besides, in 1920s and 1930s Poland constructed several objects of this kind that IMHO deserve a special category. Tymek (talk) 23:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarny Fortified Area 

message: I'm writing a program which automatially generates IPA phonetic representation for Polish words, for use in articles on towns, people etc. If anyone considers themselves knowledgeable on this matter, I'd be grateful if you could have a look at the examples at this user page and let me know if you think there are any errors creeping in. Thanks, --Kotniski (talk) 13:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA for Polish names 

message: Ukrainian chauvinists are at it again, turning Polish mathematician Stefan Banach into a Ukrainian.  Nihil novi (talk) 08:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Deja vu, an anon again. And again he is calling us chauvinists and nationalists. Obviously, any nationality would be proud to have Banach as their own, but this is ridiculous. Tymek (talk) 23:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Exactly. A not very active anon fanatic who may or may be a (singular) Ukrainian chauvinist is no need to create such an alarming threat here. Peace, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  01:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But he is definitely Polish.   Ukrainian wikipedia also lists him as only a Polish mathematician.  Given the old comments on the talk page (if its the same editor), he looks more like a Polonophobe than a Ukrainian chauvinist.  Ostap 01:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh come on Ostap. Nihil Novi was visibly upset, I am sure this is not about anti-Ukrainian sentiment. It just makes you angry when you see something like this. Tymek (talk) 03:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It also makes me angry. Vandal anon's are a plague, but what can we do? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  04:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Stefan Banach]] 

message: The government of Belarus doesn't respect the constitution. AN article about the constitution should inform about it. The same all Soviet/Communist constitutions. A constitution isn't a fiction book to be described because of the quality of the text.Xx236 (talk) 14:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are able to expand the article with text on violations, it will be welcomed. Mind citing sources. - Darwinek (talk) 14:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Xx, why don't take your complaints to article talk pages instead of trying to "mobilize" users? Or best yet, improve articles yourself with the properly sourced and neutrally phrased info. --Irpen 20:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Irpen, the idea of creating such portals is to exchange ideas, remarks as well as complaints. Therefore, your inflammatory comment was not necessary. Tymek (talk) 19:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tymek, I agree that the exchange of ideas is good. However, what is indeed inflammatory, is to use this board to try mobilize users. This board used to even have a special nice frame on top courteously entitled "Articles in need of attention" or something like that. If I remember correctly, the last straw that broke the camel's back and lead to its removal was when one experienced editor filled this box with "Article 1, Article 2 as well as any article edited by Ghirla". That was blunt enough to perplex one of the board's members who removed the box, hopefully for good. By asking to cut down on "mobilizations" I am trying to achieve calm rather than inflame matters. Inflaming of national announcement boards was tried elsewhere and not by me. If you want details, we can discuss it elsewhere. --Irpen 20:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I spoke to the original poster about this issue on the talk page of the article. As the main writer of it, I just wanted to focus on the document itself and the changes done to it. There are violations of all Constitutions, so I do not see why Belarus has to be that special case. My personal opinion is that any violations against the Polish minority in Belarus (which I know exists, I do not dispute that) should be at another article. I believe there is an article about the Polish minority in Belarus on here. Any thoughts are welcome here or at my talk page. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Constitution of Belarus]] and Polish minority rights 

message: New stub has been created: .--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poland-artist-stub 

message: Yet another fascinating subject from interbellum Poland. As I am not an expert in this field, help is appreciated, look at Gwiazda Polski. Tymek (talk) 19:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gwiazda Polski 

message: You may be interested in leaving your thoughts on the notability of this Poland-related article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marika Michalowska. Thank you.--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 19:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Marika Michalowska]] 

message: AK is on GA review. Changes have been requested here. Please help improve the article; if there are no editors willing to invest their time, this important article will lose its GA status.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Armia Krajowa]] on GA review 

message: Is there anyone with a good accent and access to appropriate recording ware who would feel like recording the Polish names of the voivodeships (województwo świętokrzyskie and so on) for upload? I mean in 16 separate .ogg files, of course.--Kotniski (talk) 14:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voivodeships pronunciation 

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thread_title:  Image source problem with Image:Pawiak.jpg 

message: A Wikipedia Gem has been found by me.
Among other things-number of Catholics increased by annexation of Western Ukraine in 1939 :) Was Bialystok Western Ukraine ? ;]
Another example :
In the 1920s, genuine cultural concessions were granted to the nationalities. Communist elites of various nationalities were permitted to flourish and to have considerable self-government.
Almost no information on discrimination of Catholics in Soviet Union.
Naturally there is no single word on Polish catholics in Soviet Union which I presume were among the largest number of Roman Catholics in SU after 1939. Before the war, in Soviet held Ukraine circa 500.000 Poles lived and there is a considerable number of sources recording discrimination against religious activity.
In short, the article needs serious NPOV. I hope people will help.
--Molobo (talk) 02:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest crossposting to that article's talk.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  03:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion in the Soviet Union, needs NPOV to say the least 

message: There is an opinion that such name were incorrect. University of Königsberg and University of Wrocław are labelled as Defunct universities and colleges in Germany. Either both categories are wrong or both are right. Xx236 (talk) 07:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lviv isn't in Poland.  How can it go in that category?  Go ahead and remove the Polish universities from the German category also.  It makes no sense. Ostap 17:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. There is a difference between Polish and in Poland. We should create an appropriate category: :Category:Defunct Polish universities and colleges for that purpose (and for other countries in the same fashion).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Defunct universities and colleges in Poland 

message: The dominant trade is in grain and seeds. I have visited the town but no grain found. Xx236 (talk) 12:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Famine?? Not the harvest season ?? 85.214.22.8 (talk) 12:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would rather call it ignorance, when 1910-1911 text is used to describe 21st century reality.Xx236 (talk) 16:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Krotoszyn]] 

message: I nominated the image to the right at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates
. Bewareofdog 19:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for notifying us.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Madonna of Częstochowa 

message: I just found this poster and I wondered if SPD demanded 1914 post-war ?
I did heard that organisations of transfered Germans did make such claims but from the looks of this SPD did also ?
--Molobo (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did SPD demand 1914 borders post-WW2 ? 

message: Article suggest that Valaška (pl:Ciupaga) belongs to Slovak culture only, please correct that. 13:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Valaška]] 

message: Other than this fascinating article needs expansion, I've noted some errors and confusing items on the accompanying template at Talk:Polish_Secret_State#Not_totally_inclusive. Comments appreciated (I suggest commenting at the linked article's talk page, not here.)! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composition of the [[Polish Secret State]] 

message: Could someone please reference the Górki set index article?  It is currently a dump of Polish place names, and it was attempted to be overridden with a redirect to Gorki without preserving much from the current list.  I'd hate to lose a what is a potentially useful list just because it is in a sorry state.  Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Górki 

message: is again being retroactively granted variously Ukrainian, or dual Polish and Ukrainian, nationality.  Nihil novi (talk) 07:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Kac completed his Ph.D. in mathematics at Ivan Franko Lviv National Ukrainian University - I love it.Xx236 (talk) 11:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

text: As we see, some people are clearly jealous of Banach. This problem comes and goes in intervals. Tymek (talk) 18:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Alex reverted it to an acceptable version. Dealing with anon vandals is simple: revert. End of story.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anon lost all credibility when he claimed that Banach was of this "Ukrainian religion". Ostap 21:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Stefan Banach]] 

message: If anyone feels in the mood for an edit war or two (or possibly trying to reason politely with this guy), check out his recent contributions, pushing what he regards as "established English names" for Polish cities.--Kotniski (talk) 21:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Special:Contributions/Filsdegilbert]] 

message: I know in many aspects the different editors from West Slavic nations have not seen eye to eye, and the community has suffered due to childish naming disputes that usually deteriorate into edit wars. That's why, in the interest of common West Slavic participation on Wikipedia I have proposed a West Slavic WikiProject, that would aim and try to bridge the gaps between us and strive for fair representation of West Slavic interests, be they Polish, Czech, Slovak or Sorbian on the English Wikipedia, as well as effective multilateral debates on a multitude of contentious articles. So, just have a look and voice your support if you want. +Hexagon1 (t) 23:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great idea, you have my support on it. Tymek (talk) 03:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#West_Slavic_WikiProject|West Slavic WikiProject]] 

message: Since it falls within the purview of this WikiProject, I thought I should advise of a new debate to move the article about Sněžka-Śnieżka.  As participants in the associated project with the great interest and knowledge in the specific political and cultural ramifications of this Czech/Polish mountain debate, your views would be especially welcome. CzechOut  ☎ | ✍ 05:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming debate at [[Sněžka-Śnieżka]] 

message: OTRS is in need of Polish-speaking volunteers, specifically for handling the backlog of image permissions tickets. Volunteers must be at least 16 years old (and be willing to provide proof of identity), courteous, skilled at resolving disputes, friendly even in the face of hostility, sensitive to the needs of those outside Wikipedia, and have exemplary discretion. Interested parties should apply at m:OTRS/volunteering. Thanks. howcheng  {chat} 17:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A worthy cause. If I wasn't doing a hundred other things, I'd love to help; since I am I can only endorse Howcheng request - please, volunteers, step forward! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  OTRS 

message: I should like to inform the honourable editors of the Poland-related notice board that I am seriously considering moving Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, a featured article, in order to replace the hyphen in this state's name with an en dash. If you wish to comment, please do so in the relevant thread here. I have also notified the Baltic States notice board. Waltham, The Duke of 23:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 

message: A newly created article on Median Europe is proposed for deletion - comments appreciated. Pundit|utter 14:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Median Europe]] 

message: Should foray be moved to zajazd? Please comment at Talk:Foray.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  16:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zajazd = foray? 

message: Alojzy Ehrlich, legendary Polish-Jewish table tennis player, more info about this personality is welcome. Tymek (talk) 18:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alojzy Ehrlich 

message: his sermons, interwove spiritual exhortations with political messages - I don't like the phrase, Popiełuszko wasn't a politician. I have also removed the CIA reference from the text, because Popiełuszko wasn't a CIA tool.Xx236 (talk) 12:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jerzy Popiełuszko]] 

message: The current RFE/RL article is very general.Xx236 (talk) 14:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Polish section of Radio Free Europe]] should be written 

message: Hi,
I just did a re-write of Congress Poland, could someone have a proof-read?  I added no references or text, just took what was there and improved the English, and given my lack of knowledge of Polish history it's possible I made errors in chronology or cast.  Thanks, WLU (talk) 14:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congress Poland 

message: Seems very marginal idea or a hoax.
Anyway if somebody wants to comment :
It was once proposed that the Duke be made King of Poland, in a move to restore the Polish monarchy much as the Greek monarchy had been restored using imported Royals. In August 1937, the Duke and his wife visited Poland and were well-received. However, due to the invasion of Poland in World War II, the plan was called off.
Supposedly from Picknett, Prince, Prior & Brydon, pp. 142–143.
--Molobo (talk) 10:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What a curiosity, I am myself very interested in the 1930s, so many interesting and so many unusual things were happening back then in our country. Tymek (talk) 14:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

text: It was probably a crazy idea by the monarchists. I couldn't find anything regarding it during a quick look on Google Print, I suggest tagging as dubious and eventually removing it from mainspace articles per WP:V.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  14:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Not in 1939 but during Second World War, not king od Poland but monarchic Central European Federation. Proposed by Sikorski and  Herman Lieberman, not monarchists, rejected by Benes. The sources I found though aren't very reliable and I will continue to look for more serious ones.--Molobo (talk) 15:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Duke of Kent a king of Poland ? 

message: There is an interesting post by Gene here. Please comment on whether you think that in English language, Wańkowicz should come before or after (for excample) Lewis W. Wannamaker. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Wańkowicz comes before Wannamaker in English alphabetical order (i.e. different from Polish). We ignore diacritics when ordering.--Kotniski (talk) 18:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting... I myself would sort him after (regular letters precede those with tittles) but this is just my personal opinion and I am not really knowledgeable about the subject.Pundit|utter 19:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish diacritics and sorting 

message: A third part of this set (:Image:Mundurwl6.jpg, :Image:Oficer_Marynarka.jpg) for Polish airman) was deleted long time ago and cannot be restored, perhaps somebody could find it and reupload it? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  23:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of Polish soldiers in uniform 

message: For those with a geographic bent:  "Template:Age of Enlightenment" now places Poland in Eastern rather than Central Europe (apparently in deference to Cold Warriors' bipolar preferences).  See also "Template talk:Age of Enlightenment."  Germany ("Holy Roman Empire") is in Central Europe, according to this template, Poland is in Eastern.  Nihil novi (talk) 02:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really insane overkill to try to build this matter up into a nationalistic melodrama. It's just a clumsy geographical division in a template with clumsier geographical/cultural divisions than this. I put it in there simply because of the logic of the existing divisions, and 1) it's more common in English to describe as "in Eastern Europe" than in "Central Europe" and 2) Eastern Europe on the template had a smaller population. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 03:23, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eastern Europe 

message: OK, this is childlish, but at the same time annoying. User Lokyz keeps deleting Polish names of such places as Varena and Lentvaris, yet at the same time he insists on keeping a Lithuanian name of Sejny. Double standards, isn't it? My opinion is simple - keep Lithuanian names of Augustow, Sejny or Suwalki (even Bialystok), but also keep Polish names of places as Varena. I am awaiting  your opinion. Tymek (talk) 16:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Both versions should be used with the due respect to respective minorities. Both countries are in the European Union, for Christ sake and both signed European Charter of Minority and Regional Languages. - Darwinek (talk) 17:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: A new naming convention for places in Slovakia is being discussed at User_talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian_experiment#Proposed_naming_convention. Your input will be greatly appreciated. Since these new rules might be later regarded as a precedent by non-involved editors (remember the Danzig/Gdansk case?), I think you will find this ongoing discussion and poll interesting. Tankred (talk) 03:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New naming convention 

message: Please see: Battle of Kostiuchnówka and also relevant to Poland: Forced labor in Germany during World War II and Minority Treaties. They were all submitted to WP:GA recently and reviewers have posted comments on talk. Help addressing the comments/issues pointed out is much needed! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  03:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles on GA review need help 

message: Is such language allowed in this Wikipedia? It's about November Uprising and January Uprising in Lithuania:
Oh, and don't forget the five pub fights, an insult about the Tzar's favourite horse, and the shooting of a Russian Partridge in a Lithuanian Pear Tree! Xx236 (talk) 15:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: Hello. I think we should split List of Poles into many lists. The list is too big. I would like to know what other users think. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I was always in favor of deleting this and similar lists, but I think I am in minority on that. In any case, this and similar articles were and are a mess - and if you think splitting will help, go ahead.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  03:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Nihil! Good to hear from you! I don't think List of Poles should be deleted. I think we need specific individual lists. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

text: List of prominent Poles would be a better name. List of Poles suggest everybody. Further, I once suggested that such list should be limited only to people who can be referenced to a publication like encyclopedia. Two lists to mention: User:Piotrus/List of Poles and User:Visor/Lists of articles/Biographies from Internetowa encyklopedia PWN, plus the lists of Poles from WIEM and Interia Encyklopedia should be used to determine who should be on that list - and who shouldn't. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to me that "List of Poles" already is a list of prominent Poles.  All except three have articles on Wikipedia.  Any non-prominent person (let's say, an individual without a Wikipedia article) who slips in can easily be deleted.  Nihil novi (talk) 04:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Poles 

message: I have expanded the Huta Pieniacka massacre article, input of all contributors is welcomed. Tymek (talk) 17:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huta Pieniacka massacre 

message: Stefan Banach is now described by an anonymous editor, in the article lead, as "an eminent European Ukrainian mathematician... a founder... of the Lwów School of Mathematics at Ivan Franko Lviv National Ukrainian University..."  Help!  Nihil novi (talk) 07:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Banach was Polish. He was born in Kraków. We can ignore the claim of that IP. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stefan Banach again 

message: http://www.rp.pl/artykul/124647.html
When exatly was Vilnius ethnically Lithuanian, if 60% is the highest number in history?Xx236 (talk) 14:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly a few hundred years ago, before the polonization of Grand Duchy. PS. This article should probably be linked from Polish minority in Lithuania and Polish-Lithuanian relations.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lithuanians won Vilnius, 60% 

message: I was illustrating a different article and found this image. Since Polish Wedding is an article about a movie and I could not decide for which of Polish culture and Polish folk related articles is best to use it, I am bringing it here.  Perhaps someone will start an article about Polish wedding traditions one day. Happy edits,  --Irpen 20:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish folk wedding 

message: Hello. I have created :Category:WikiProject Poland participants. Feel free to add this category on your user page. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:WikiProject Poland participants 

message: Can someone take over at Stefan Banach? I've already passed my daily quota of reverts. (I've also asked for a block or semi-protection at AN/I and requests for protection.)--Kotniski (talk) 11:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandal blocked. Please report any possible block evasions or comebacks. - Darwinek (talk) 11:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stefan Banach again again 

message: Give your support or opposition at the Central Europe talk page, since we are looking for a single definition for it.
This issue is related to Poland since it determines where it is located in Europe.
⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 17:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please give your opinion about [[Talk:Central_Europe#Proposal_II|Proposal II]] which will define [[Central Europe]] 

message: It appears that Proposal II for the definition of "Central Europe" has been adopted.  If so, how would this best be implemented on sites such as "Template:Age of Enlightenment," where Poland still appears in the section on "Eastern Europe"?  Nihil novi (talk) 17:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Central Europe:  Proposal II 

message: Minor issue: please comment on which layout is better (and help expand the list).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:List of Polish resistance topics]] 

message: I added the following subsection to the article on The Black Madonna of Czestochowa. As unbelievable as it may seem its all true. Might be cool for "Did you know", right?
In Vodou, it is believed that a common depiction of Erzulie has its roots in copies of the icon of the Black Madonna of Częstochowa, brought to Haiti by Polish soldiers fighting on both sides of the Haitian Revolution from 1802 onwards."Re Polish presence in Haiti : Judson comments"—Discussion on webster.edu. In her Petro nation aspect as Erzulie Dantor she is often depicted as a scarred and buxom woman, holding a child protectively in one hand and a knife in the other. She is a warrior and particularly a fierce protector of women and children. In Santeria, this image is referred to as Santa Barbara Africana. --Orestek (talk) 17:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is interesting, alas WP:DYK features only newly created or significantly expanded articles. That said, it is high time to update dyks for Portal:Poland.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Our Lady of Czestochowa in Voodoo 

message: For anyone who is interested, the same anonymous contributor is again giving his interpretation of Stefan Banach's life and work.  Nihil novi (talk) 08:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi-protection? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, ASAP. Either that or block the IP again for a longer time. It might not be technically vandalism, since he seems to genuinely believe what he's saying, but it's pointless us wasting our time battling with this guy every week or so. Kotniski (talk) 17:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you fill the request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection? I am afraid if I were to semi the article, some may accuse me of abusing the admin tools (as I am Polish and I'd be protecting the Polish POV version...).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banach yet again 

message: More opinions needed: see MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist/Archives/2008/04#komendant.cal.pl. If you agree with me that the case should be reopened, please start a new reqiest at MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  komendant.cal.pl - spam? 

message: Hi, I'm trying to compile a list of notable references to support a Wikipedia article concerning a video editor. Two I have are in Polish - if there are any Polish speakers that could help by reading the articles this would be appreciated.
The articles are here:
Clesh#References
If you believe from each article the video editor is notable please leave some form of brief comment about each article in the form of a summary above the document in link in the references section (as has been done with the other documents in there).
Many thanks, mk (talk) 21:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just removed these two references, since they seem barely relevant in fact.--Kotniski (talk) 12:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish Speakers? 

message: An example:
If you wish to play more mind games with this outrageous ... bias, go for it, and you will get a tsunami of references to ...
For me such stament is a blackmail  - if you write about it, we (?) will write about other subjects, you won't like. Or maybe a conspiracy - let's not discuss our subjects. Bot are rather organized crime activities than editing.Xx236 (talk) 07:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is blackmail allowed here? 

message: I've proposed Bili Sarny detention centre for deletion at Afd here. At present this seems to be an invention of a Ukrainian nationalist website, though if anyone has any real information about the existence or non-existence of the place it would be welcome.--Kotniski (talk) 09:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bili Sarny detention centre 

message: From the new article on Fear - Anti-Semitism in Poland after Auschwitz: "The ongoing difficulty many Poles continue to have in confronting the facts of Polish wartime and post war violence against Polish Jews is witnessed daily in the attacks on wikipedia pages discussing the pogroms and murders of Jews carried out by Poles.". Lovely, isn't it? The book is notable, but the article needs some major rewriting to move away from rant style :> --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  22:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gross - Fear - Perełka 

message: I believe that this Wikipedia isn't a forum for posting jokes. How to stop such a thread and remove unrelated comments? Xx236 (talk) 09:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:TALK for the relevant guideline; can you be more specific and link the joke thread that concerns you? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to stop jokes? 

message: A couple of years ago I spent hours adding in diacritics to links of Polish cities. Now I see the lack of accents problem is back in a big way. May I please, please remind people (and I really shouldn't be the one doing this): it's Toruń not Torun, Poznań not Poznan, Wrocław not Wroclaw, Łódź not Lodz, and on and on. Thank you. Biruitorul (talk) 14:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, for bringing this up. I think it is ridiculous that people, especially Poles themselves, seem to think that Polish diacritics can be overlooked. They can not be overlooked as diacritics in Polish form an integral component of the letter and they are not mere accents. Especially the letters ł and ż! Omitting the stroke on the ł or the dot on the ż, you might as well omit the z in the digraphs cz, rz, and sz and write Warsawa, Scecin, and Bydgosc. Horrible!--Poltecatl (talk) 07:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diacritics 

message: Should List of mayors of Gdańsk be split off from  List of mayors of Danzig, as was recently done? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mayors of Gdańsk/Danzig 

message: This category needs to be populated, I guess... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  04:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or perhaps deleted, since it would include a large majority of Polish people and not be very informative.--Kotniski (talk) 09:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I am also in favour of deletion. Such categories make sense for countries like the Czech Republic where most of people are Atheist, not for country which is a symbol of ardent Roman Catholicism. - Darwinek (talk) 09:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I disagree with deletion; it is only logical it should exist. It makes sense to categorize people by religion just as it makes sense to categorize them by ethnicity or profession. :Category:Polish people by religion is useful - even if over 90% of Poles will fall into the :Category:Polish Catholics. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't see that the usefulness would be enough to justify the work involved, i.e. going round virtually every Polish person with an article, finding evidence that they are/were Catholic, and ending up with a category which looks not much different from a category of all Polish people.--Kotniski (talk) 17:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Nihil novi (talk) 20:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like the consensus here leans towards elimination of this category. CFD? - Darwinek (talk) 21:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Polish Catholics]] 

message: Should events taken place in Toruń be known by the Germanised  name version of the city ?
Your choice.--Molobo (talk) 14:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia does not "choose" nor "vote" on facts. Wikipedia reflects scholarly sources. And these are by far in favour of Thorn in history use. -- Matthead  Discuß   15:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important voting 

message: See my proposal
--Molobo (talk) 14:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Proposal for Giant Mountains.  -- Matthead  Discuß   15:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't be serious, too generic.--Molobo (talk) 21:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I am serious, Molobo, and so is the name Giant Mountains, which happens to be English. And you better sign, especially when you make such remarks. -- Matthead  Discuß   20:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why use a German or English name for a mountain range that is shared exclusively by Poland and the Czech Republic?  Sounds like linguistic imperialism.  Nihil novi (talk) 21:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karkonosze naming issue 

message: User Matthead proposed to delete name Karkonosze and replace it with translation of German term Risenberge-Giant Mountains. Vote is under way. You are free to place your opinion:
--Molobo (talk) 23:58, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to rename Karkonosze into translation of German term Risenberge-Giant Mountains 

message: Since user Matthead insists on calling Fryderyk Scherfke and Ernest Wilimowski victims of explusion, I am awaiting opinions of editors on this subject - see here . Both Wilimowski and Scherfke were drafted into the Wehrmacht and ended up in western Germany in 1945. Nobody expelled them from Katowice and Poznan. Tymek (talk) 19:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victims of expulsion 

message: Talk:Dukes of Pomerania Radomil talk 17:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again I'm asking for Your participation in this discussion Radomil talk 15:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pomeranian Dukes and Names 

message: I have created  template. Please add any further or new articles to the list. - Darwinek (talk) 10:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template 

message: For those who may have missed it, voting continues on User Meathead's proposal to move the article on the "Karkonosze" Mountains to the more generic title, "Great Mountains," and on User Molobo's counter-proposal to move "Karkonosze" to "Karkonosze/Krkonoše."  You may vote at .  Nihil novi (talk) 04:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to move Karkonosze (Krkonoše) Mountains 

message: Otolemur crassicaudatus has requested that a plot summary be added to the article on Pharaoh (the film).  I have not seen the entire movie and therefore do not feel competent to do it.  Any takers?  Nihil novi (talk) 05:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Pharaoh (film)|Pharaoh]]'' plot-summary request 

message: Also the template "WikiProject Poland" could be added by a member. Squash Racket (talk) 04:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't hesitate and add this template where you feel it is appropriate.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  13:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hussar]] 

message: Can anyone direct me to an online map of central Warsaw with the street names as they were during the communist era? (I visited the Palace of Culture today. It is not nearly as ugly as I had expected. The statues of the handsome proletarians are rather cute :) ) Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 16:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: pl:Zmiany nazw ulic i placów w Warszawie, tables inform about changes, if you prefer maps, see Trasbus link.Xx236 (talk) 10:59, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

text: pl:Zmiany_nazw_ulic_i_placów_w_Warszawie#Wola. Al. Rewolucji Październikowej = October Revolution Avenue. Jacek Kendysz 18:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

text: According to this there used to be a Róży Luksemburg street in the Rembertów district of Warsaw.--Kotniski (talk) 11:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh and there were (are) many others all over Poland.--Kotniski (talk) 11:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of communist-era Warsaw 

message: Today I am in Poznan. Everywhere people are flying the red-and-white Polish colours, the yellow-and-white, which I assume is the Papal flag, and the pale-blue-and-white. What is this? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 18:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably the city colours, see . - Darwinek (talk) 19:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thosa are not city colours. You're just visiting Poznań during Corpus Christi feast (or in its octave). Red&white are Polish flags, yellow&white are papal flag and white&blue are marian flags Radomil talk 19:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dziękuję, Radomil. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How long are you in Poznan for, Mr T? Anyone up for an impromptu (and probably extremely small) wikigathering?--Kotniski (talk) 19:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Wrong side of Poland for us, unfortunately. Name a time and place, Mr T; I'll be there, maybe Radomil will join us?--Kotniski (talk) 20:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks, I shall. Any particular time or means of recognition?--Kotniski (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I tend to be in Katowice more often than Warsaw, so maybe see you in Cieszyn some time.--Kotniski (talk) 20:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, let me know when you'll plan to visit Cieszyn. - Darwinek (talk) 20:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: See you tomorrow then. Others are doubtless welcome too.--Kotniski (talk) 20:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next question 

message: Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles.  The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status.  As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback!  You can find the draft guidelines here.  Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 13:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested 

message: Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics/Draft/List of basic Poland topics.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  22:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Piotrus for the notice, the list is indeed interesting. If only I had more time to write. Greetings. Tymek (talk) 04:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting list of missing Poland-related articles 

message: Why is Italy called "Włochy" in Polish? What is the derivation of this word? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 20:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: suggests relation to Wallachia. It is confirmed by  and . I am sure somebody else can help and translate more. PS. I will be briefly in Poznań on late Saturday/early Sunday (family trip).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's a proposal for another of the fast-becoming-traditional Poznań minigatherings, I'll be free from about midday on Sunday.--Kotniski (talk) 15:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably that's not going to work. On Sat evening if anybody's in the area, you can try hotel Royal (Marcina 71?) and ask for room 21. -- Piotrus on IP  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.3.136.230 (talk) 18:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, there is a castle on the historical borders of Austria and Czech lands, it is nowadays named Raabs an der Thaya. However, it was called back then Ratgoz and Bohemian merchants screwed up its name to Rakús or Rakous, and here we go, then they named after it surrounding lands and later on whole land. - Darwinek (talk) 08:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Also in old-Polsih simmilar name was used. Even today, Polish queen, Elisabeth of Austria, is known as "Elżbieta Rakuszanka" (or as "mother of kings") Radomil talk 15:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italy 

message: Lately I was busy moving some of the images from :Category:Pre-1994 Poland images to Commons. It seems like the remaining 100 images left do not have any sources to support their claim that they were published in Poland in years 1926-1994, since all that had it are already moved. I would propose changing them to FairUse template and to retire PD-Polish template. --Jarekt (talk) 03:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Pre-1994 Poland images ]] 

message: Hello! I'm interested in witch trials, and think that every country should be represented in the subject. As for Poland, it's hard to find anything about this on the net. If there is anyone here interested in the subject, I think it would be most interesting to have a Polish with trial represented here on wikipedia. Most countrys are alredy represented. I have heard about only two cases; two old women burned in 1793, and Barbara Zdunk, executed in 1811. These where mentioned on the net with very few words. Does anyone here know more about these cases? or any other? I would be grateful just for a stub or a name to google. --Aciram (talk) 11:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see my reply and bibliography here; if somebody would like to write an article - I am a bit busy now - it would be appreciated.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish witch trials 

message: Hello,
In recent days I've made a new template on polish Wikipedia for linking to articles published by culture.pl service (:pl:szablon:culture). This is rich and interesting source on polish culture and the articles there are also available in few other languages including english, so I thought you may be interested in creating english version of the template (probably as "template:culture.pl") and using it in appropriate places. -- kocio (talk) 15:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the update. There are over a 100 pages linking to culture.pl from en wikipedia.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  15:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture.pl database (for linking) 

message: Jak to jest po polsku - bo nie ma interwiki do pl wikipedii? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  15:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Może Pomorze Gdańskie po prostu? Pomerelia seems to be equivalent to :de:Pommerellen, which in turn links to :pl:Pomorze Gdańskie; and at :pl:Pomorze Gdańskie it gives Pommerellen as the German equivalent.--Kotniski (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or Pomorze Wschodnie, see Eastern Pomerania. I don't have full confidence in interwikis, or unreferenced Polish Wikipedia articles...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody here who seems to know what he's talking about suggests it's either Pomorze Gdańskie or Prusy Królewskie. The former seems more accurate to me. Anyway, I don't think we're going to find anything better.--Kotniski (talk) 18:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pomerelia]]? 

message: You might be interested in this afd. Renata (talk) 14:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is relevant, please list in in Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Poland and related sorts.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  15:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tõnu Trubetsky]] 

message: I have read about withdrawing Polish units in 1939 being ambushed by Ukrainian insurgents (possibly Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) does anybody know how widespread and notable those attacks were? Should we add OUN to the Soviet invasion of Poland (1939) Military Conflict Infobox? Mieciu K (talk) 09:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have already asked this question to a Ukrainian user, do not remember who. I know the Ukrainians in mid-September 1939 captured the town of Stryj for a few hours, but were chased away by the Polish Army units. Alas, I have no more info on it. Tymek (talk) 03:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You asked me back in December.  Sorry, it seems I never did get any research done, or get back to you.  I don't think the OUN should be added as part of the Soviet invasion however. Ostap 04:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not a problem Ostap. Greetings. Tymek (talk) 16:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third faction in the [[Soviet invasion of Poland (1939)]] article? 

message: Mateusz Sołtanowicz (no google/gprint hits), Piotr Sołtanowicz (few google/no gprint hits), Józef Sołtanowicz (no hits), Jan Sołtanowicz (few google hits/no gphits), Bolesław Sołtanowicz (similar). What do you think? All work of a single User:Potocki, who has created little else. I'd think at least the poets would get some gprint hits... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  14:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest to AFD'em as there are no reliable and verifiable sources. Visor (talk) 11:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible hoaxes 

message: I have expanded Polish culture during World War II and nominated it for Wikipedia:Featured article status. Please take a minute to read the article and comment in the promotion vote. Please help address the issues as they come up, I may not have time to address them all myself. The article has a large amount of red links; please help translate missing articles from pl wikipedia.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  16:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Polish culture during World War II]] 

message: Please help address points raised by the reviewers. The article has a large amount of red links; please help translate missing articles from pl wikipedia. Thank you, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  16:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Polish culture during World War II]] 

message: There are discussions going on about what should be the guidelines on the use or non-use of diacritics in foreign words. It started with an attempt to remove diacritics from the names of tennis players; there is now a proposal on clarifying the guidelines to approve the use of diacritics in general  - see WP:UD for the proposal and WT:UD for the discussion. --Kotniski (talk) 08:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My original proposal (which failed to gain consensus) has now been much improved (in my opinion) by AjaxSmack. Please take a look and comment.--Kotniski (talk) 07:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diacritics discussion 

message: We need to move some to subcategory peace treaties, and they in turn need to be divided into proper peace treaties and armistices. Volunteers to do this? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To do: cleanup of [[:Category:Treaties of Poland]] 

message: :Copied from Piotrus talkpage by User:Piotrus.
Polish-Muscovite War (1605–1618) has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--Berkunt (talk) 04:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We should include inline citations in the article. I think that's the major problem. Masterpiece2000  (talk) 05:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Polish-Muscovite War (1605–1618)]] FAR 

message: The humoruous essay at meta:Poles are evil, that has survived for years, is in dire danger from the new generation of righteous politically correct people who want to prove Poles are not evil. Consider commenting.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:58, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That nomination is an epic misunderstanding. Everybody rally your socks to the rescue and prove we're evil! </yes-this-is-a-joke-obviously> Миша13 21:01, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a humoruous essay. I think I read it six months ago. No need to delete it. Masterpiece2000  (talk) 05:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Poles are evil" in danger