Talk:Reuben Fine

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:The winner of AVRO, a double round-robin tournament, was to be challenger to the world champion then held by Alexander Alekhine.
This was perhaps the hope of many in the chess world at that time.  However this hope could reasonably be said to have been dashed when Alekhine spoke at the opening session denying that the winner would have any automatic claim to a challenge.
AVRO featured the best players of the era but the conditions were effectively weighed in favor of the youngsters in that the venue changed frequently.  IIRC the players would more than once finish a game in the evening then travel overnight and have to play their next game the very next afternoon.  (It was a traveling show to publicize the Dutch radio network AVRO.)  Not very good for the chess and really, not very fair. -Wfaxon 03:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine has written that the criticism doesn't carry much weight because the travelling distances in Holland were short. (I don't necessarily agree, I'm just passing it on). Rocksong 07:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AVRO 

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:(Fine is not the first person to examine the mind as it relates to chess—Alfred Binet, the inventor of the IQ test, had studied the mental functionality of good chess players, and found that they often had enhanced mental traits, such as a good memory).
Binet found that a chessplayer tends to have a good memory for chess positions and the like, things he or she has studied, not an overall superior memory.  -Wfaxon 03:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Through the years, a number of tests re chess and memory have been undertaken by psychologists, so far as I know, and an interesting finding was this: when the positions were of a random nature, masters tended to fare no better than novices, though when better-organised positions were shown, the strong players scored far better than the beginners. I participated in such a test c 1988, with players of varying strengths, and this was again the case, according to the psychologist who administered the tests to the subjects. Hushpuckena (talk) 11:42, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Binet 

message: I spent a lot of effort on this to make it much more comprehensive; the topic is ranked 'High' as far as Importance goes. So I am curious about what people think now. 
Frank Eldon Dixon, Kingston, Canada, Sept. 12, 2007, 19:17, GMT + 5, FrankEldonDixon 23:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work.  It would be good to put those references in the article.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 14:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article advanced considerably from 'Start' class 

message: *Reuben Fine, American Chess Giant, Dead at 79 --Philcha (talk) 09:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: In the AVRO section:
"Since Alekhine won the title in 1927, he had been avoiding a rematch with his predecessor, Capablanca"
This is not only irrelevant, but false. In fact, Alekhine's terms for a match with Capablanca were exactly the same as the terms that Capablanca had offered him for the 1927 match: the organisers had to raise enough money to fund a $10,000 prize fund for the players (in addition to other costs).
That was a lot of money in the 1930s, but Alekhine had faced the same hurdle. Surely nobody, in Alekhine's position, would feel obliged to offer easier terms than the ones he had had to meet himself!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Insulation2 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsupported statement about Alekhine 

message: Please note that there is a 20+ pages autobiographical essay by Fine avaible in Twelve Therapists : How They Live  and Actualize Themselves (1972) by Arthur Burton, available to loan for free digitally at http://archive.org/details/twelvetherapist0000unse 2A02:908:2810:8780:3C3D:F0D0:94DB:B128 (talk) 23:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autobiographical material available 

message: There's a whole lot of detail in this article about Reuben Fine's tournament record, his bibliography, his career as a psychologist, his questionable psychoanalytic theories, etc., etc. – but precious little about the kind of chess he played. That's pretty striking. It's especially strange coming from the Magnus Carlsen article, in which Carlsen (probably the strongest player of all time) is quoted as saying he looks on Fine as a kind of stylistic parallel. I hope an expert will add some well-sourced material about Fine's style of play. Ou phrontis (talk) 22:46, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playing style