Talk:The Sabres of Paradise

message: The facts described in Controvesry section of the article are not accurate, so this hardly seems like a neutral and factual text suitable for Wikipedia. Let's get those facts straight:
1. Track 'Smokebelch II' was initially self-released by The Sabres of Paradise in 1993, on their own label, several 12" singles, and CD-maxi. On all these versions Lamont Booker has full credit given to him, in this particular wording:
All tracks written by Lamont Booker / Smokebelch II written by Lamont Booker
All tracks produced by The Sabres of Paradise (Weatherall, Jagz, Burns)
Here are scans of the original artworks for Smokebelch II, as well as CD-maxi version, and Dave Holmes Remix:
https://www.discogs.com/release/35245-Smokebelch-II/images
https://www.discogs.com/release/35246-Smokebelch-II-The-Remix/images
https://www.discogs.com/release/145464-Smokebelch-II/images
2. On Warp Records, the particular track 'Smokebelch II' appeared twice: as part of 'Sabresonic II' (1995) CD/LP/cass album, and on single-sided 7" single, that accompanied one of the editions of Sabresonic (this 7-inch doesn't credit Booker, but also lacks any other credits whatsoever, basically a white-label item w/o artwork and liner notes).
Sabresonic II main release, WARPCD34 produced in July 1995, again clearly credits Booker as author of the song, both for Beatless Mix and David Holmes versions:
Written by Lamont Booker Momentum Music
https://img.discogs.com/ZfsJuaCbjy_WFa8iIvbVD6tgYN8=/fit-in/600x596/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-631-1303556780.jpeg.jpg
3. Quoting the statement from the article: However, his credentials were left off most versions of the release... -- as shown above, not true. Most releases did credit him appropriately. After signing contract with Warp Records, both Booker and his publishing, Momentum Music, were credited on the main album release with this track.
...and he was omitted from any promotion. -- This part may or may not be true, but it seems to be hardly relevant, since it is not a traditional practice to include every single songwriter and co-producer of the track in promotional efforts (those are also not specified - that means interviews? press-releases? appearance on some events? in case of accusations, they need to be explained in specific detail); especially an author of the original work in case if it was substantially re-worked/remixed/covered by the promoted artist, as in the case of New Age of Faith/Smokebelch
The track became popular amongst DJ's and received TV and radio airtime and therefore made numerous magazine charts, but only Weatherall received credit. -- again, this may or may not be true, but it doesn't seem to be logical or consistent to hold an artist or his label, who made sure to credit all songwriters on the published release, responsible for the way their track is credited / attributed by third parties, such as magazine who publish charts.
4. To summarize, this controversy should be, no doubt, included in this article, but the facts must be corrected. Lamont Booker was clearly and appropriately credited for his authorship, both on the original Sabres of Paradise release in 1993, and the subsequent 'major' label appearance on Warp Records' Sabresonic II album in 1995. It is not clear why exactly he didn't pursue the matter in the mid-90s, on the heyday of SoP career, if he felt like he was not receiving his fair share of credit and/or royalties. Also not clear, what reasons stand behind bringing this story up in 2015; there are no link to a particular article where Mixmag describe this as "blatant plagiarism", but this is simply a piece of bad journalist's work and lack of simplest fact checking. Because plagiarism is an uncredited use of someone else's intellectual property. Not the case here, as shown above.
5. On the final side note, it doesn't seem to be accurate to highlight and separate Weatherall, since The Sabres of Paradise was a trio, and 'canonical' Vinyl EP/CD-Maxi The Sabres of Paradise - Smokebelch II release lists four people as joint authors of the track - written by Booker, produced by Weatherall, Jagz, Burns. Not just "Weatherall."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.15.18.214 (talk) 14:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy section - factually wrong 

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