Talk:Mouth ulcer

message: * Palliative treatment requires reorganising.
* seems to be alot of unsubstantiated claims.
-Bouncingmolar 10:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Palliative treatment is gone, for all the reasons previously explained.Dr-G - Illigetimi non carborundum est. 18:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Todo List 

message: For some of the same reasons listed in the topic below, the information on this page is disputed as being factually incorrect.  Specifcally, some of the information presented on this page directly contradicts information in the aphthous ulcer wiki page, and some of the citations do not contain evidence to prove claims made in this article (see citation 2 on the mouth ulcer page).  Since a "mouth ulcer" is in fact an apthous ulcer, and the wiki page for apthous ulcer is much more concise and accurate, I recommend that the mouth ulcer page simply redirect to apthous ulcer.
I disagree.  Mouth ulcer is an incomplete article.  Apthous ulcer is a (fairly) complete article.  Not all mouth ulcers are apthous (despite the etymology of the word) and therefore we either split all the different types into separate articles or merge all under one heading of mouth ulcer.  That would be one long piece.  For instance, the ulcer resultant from the degeneration of bullae in vesiculobullous diseases is different from RA ulcers clinically and histologically, but both are ulcers because they breach the integrity of the mucosa. Dr-G - Illigetimi nil carborundum est. 17:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I've been thinking about the articles recently, and I think it would be a good idea to clarify the distinction between the two.  Though, I have to say that I think the Aphthous ulcer article has way too much info about unverified home remedies. - Dozenist talk 21:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe you could suggest an appropriate format for the citations to prove claims made in this article. Also I think that apthous ulcer is a variant of the umbrella term mouth ulcer. (Bouncingmolar 10:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual Inaccuracies 

message: *The original content of the mouth ulcer page has been relocated to aphthous ulcer as the content of the page was predominantly about canker sores/ aphthous ulcers and not about mouth ulcers in general.
**the new mouth ulcer page in this location is a heavily modified version of the original(still found at aphthous ulcer). This page now contains more information about mouth ulcers of a variety of other causes and paints a more general overview of mouth ulcers opposed to the original which focussed on apthous ulcers alone.
*The original talk page for mouth ulcer is now also located as the talk page for aphthous ulcer as of 18 july 2006 
*Recurrent aphthous stomatitis has been merged with the aphthous ulcer page(the original 'mouth ulcer' page) as requested. (see the requests on the aphthous ulcer talk page)
(Bouncingmolar 16:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Canker sore redicrects to this page (Mouth ulcer). Canker sore should redirect to apthous ulcer. However, I agree the apthous ulcer should be mrged with this article. ~ UBeR 18:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree it seems like this page is quite redundant with Aphthous_ulcer -- merging the two or somehow differentiating the scope of each might help. Rogerdpack (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The page for Mouth ulcer has moved 

message: *There have been some fairly heavy modification (with a lot of time spent, although this is not a factor if the information is incorrect) of this page including some injection of new information about ulcer types including references from oral pathology texts. The original content is mirrored on aphthous ulcer
*It has been suggested to me by one user so far that maybe this page should be reverted until a consensus has been reached, and the aphthous ulcer removed. Do other people feel that this is the case?  Clearly I think that the mouth ulcer page is an improvement because it now describes mouth ulcers as a whole. Furthermore I think that aphthous ulcers are merely a sub category of Mouth Ulcers, along with many other ulcer causing vectors. Are there other opinions? if so maybe i was a little bit hasty, please comment.(Bouncingmolar 07:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest with you, it may be true that you find the frequency of ulceration decreasing over time when you use an electric toothbrush, but that is not due in any part to differences between the electric toothbrush and the manual toothbrush, but differences in how you use them.  This website is not an advice page, it is an information page.  I will be editing the entire palliative care section to remove any uncited claims or treatments.  Palliative care is not treatment.  It is what is used when there is no effective treatment, ie in order to reduce symptoms experienced by the patient.  So effective treatments do not belong in this section.  Because this is not an advice website (no website should be in my opinion, medical or dental advice should be obtained from a trained diagnostician), treatments that are anecdotally successful do not belong here.  The idea that trauma triggers aphthous ulceration is sound, but your suggestion does not belong in the palliative care section, but the treatment section (possibly under preventive heading).  There may be studies to back this up.  Dr-G - Illigetimi non carborundum est. 00:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change for the better or the worse? 

message: i've had little 'ulcers' or whatever in the past and they always look like the one i just got.  a friend says to blame stress.  here's a pic, i'll release it GFDL or whatever if you're interested (i do have a much larger version but this is just cropped, so you're not losing any detail of the actual sore): http://ibulk.net/ulcer.jpg --TIB (talk) 00:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please keep in mind that if you want real medical advice, you need to see a doctor. Most doctors will be hesitant to try to diagnose anything over the internet. - Dozenist talk 01:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dear doctor wikipedia 

message: I've always known of these as mouth blisters, as well as the rest of my family. I wonder where that name started. SadanYagci 21:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting 

message: From Prevention:
Quantities around 1ml are more than sufficient.
1ml seems a ridiculously small amount of mouthwash to use, I find it hard to believe it would have any effect. A quick google shows people using 20ml -> 100ml. Where did the 1ml figure come from? Could someone remove this if there's nothing to back it up?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.41.148 (talk) 18:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quantity of mouthwash to use? 

message: Edited the bit about gels in the treatment section:
"Some people benefit from using the over-the-counter topical gel Bonjela, which contains choline salicylate -- choline salicylate is a local analgesic that helps to reduce the pain and inflammation associated with oral ulcers."
read too much like an advert to me, so I edited it to include the possibilities of other gels that might not contain the same substances.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.29.235.234 (talk) 14:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bonjela 

message: I've found that consumption of a common food preservative (Sodium Benzoate aka E211) and it's close allies (e.g. Benzoic Acid aka E210) will cause me to develop mouth ulcers around two days after exposure; continued exposure leads to an increase in both numbers and severity of ulcers. This also goes for my father and brother, but not my mother; so I suspect there may be a genetic component to this effect too. If you're suffering, try an elimination diet; pay particular attention to mouthwashes and soft drinks.  Quickos (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This doesn't fit the requirements for inclusion in the article, but you might find it interesting anyway... 

message: I suffered for years and years with several ulcers at once some growing to the size of your little fingernail. All because I used Bonjela which is  THE WORST POSSIBLE TREATMENT.They came back with vengence. OMG Iwish I knew of Weleda back then. health shops sell it. A Homeopath recommeded it. Caledula did nothing but make them angry just like any other trament i tried.
Best of luck. please edit this thread if you try it to let us know how you got on.
 
There is no mention whatsoever of cases when an ulcer would appear on the tongue. LaughingSkull (talk) 02:20, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of ulcers on the tongue? 

message: The result of the move request was no consensus for move.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

message: In the "TREATMENT" Section, some genius has suggested that rubbing Salt or Garlic can help cure mouth ulcers. And obviously thre are no citations to  This is obviously a Joke, because rubbing salt or garlic is obviously going to exacerbate the lesion as one will heavy dehydrate the sorrounding and the other is a very pungent substance. I suggest this be removed with immeidate effect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashish.jagyasi (talk • contribs) 10:46, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  TREATMENT SECTION: Rubbing Salt or Garlic, a cure?? 

message: The cause "Smoking cessation" is listed under trauma, should it not be listed under Immune system? Mootros (talk) 07:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: as far as I am aware, smoking cessation is associated with specifically the onset of recurrent aphthous stomatitis rather than a cause of mouth ulcers generally. I moved mention of smoking cessation to the RAS section. lesion (talk) 08:24, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smoking cessation 

message: For the above reason I reworked this article to be a discussion of oral ulceration generally, which is a much wider topic than RAS. Also, i had to remove the following references and associated text because either they were primary or not of an acceptable quality for a medical page:
*^ a b c "Mouth ulcers". North East Valley Division of General Practice. Retrieved 2006-06-18. link broken
*^ a b Study on 10,000 people suffering from mouth ulcers, March 2010. primary source, questionable quality as not published in peer review journal
*^ "Discover our study on mouth ulcers". Aftazen.co.uk. Retrieved 2012-06-04. same primary source as above
*^ a b T. Axéll, V. Henricsson (1985). "The occurrence of recurrent aphthous ulcers in an adult Swedish population". Acta Odontologica Scandinavica. primary source
*^ Herlof, Bente Brokstad; Barkvoll, Pål (1996). "The effect of two toothpaste detergents on the frequency of recurrent aphthous ulcers". Acta Odontologica Scandinavica 54 (3): 150–153. doi:10.3109/00016359609003515. .primary source
*^ Ussher M, West R, Steptoe A, McEwen A (March 2003). "Increase in common cold symptoms and mouth ulcers following smoking cessation". Tobacco Control 12 (1): 86–8. doi:10.1136/tc.12.1.86. PMC 1759110. . primary source
*^ McRobbie H, Hajek P, Gillison F (August 2004). "The relationship between smoking cessation and mouth ulcers". Nicotine & Tobacco Research 6 (4): 655–9. doi:10.1080/14622200410001734012. .primary source
*^ Lesion-directed dry dosage forms of antibacterial agents for the treatment of acute mucosal infections of the oral cavity, US Patent Office Full-Text and Image Database, 19 June 2001.patent?
*Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 1993 Apr 2;118(13):451-6. [Mercury sensitization in amalgam fillings. Assessment from a dermatologic viewpoint]. [Article in German] Brehler R, Panzer B, Forck G, Bertram HP primary source
Also, some stuff is just plain wrong, herpes simplex does not cause recurrent herpetiforme ulceration.
lesion (talk) 07:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Much data confused with Recurrent aphthous stomatitis (i.e. should be on [[aphthous ulcer]] page) 

message: Is an ulcer left by rupture of a herpetic vesicle on the lips really considered as oral ulceration? None of the textbooks include this in the topic.lesion (talk) 22:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[herpes labialis]] 

message: I have no particular reason to doubt the statements about oral electrical burns, but another editor does.  The following is a quotation from the Toon reference:  Please don't revert again unless you have a reason better than "no" (the most pathetic edit summary I've seen in a while).  -- Scray (talk) 05:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you for presenting the full material from the source which was being blatantly misrepresented as claiming that electrical mouth burns were common, rather than what the source says that they are common in a very limited circumstance. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:50, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your most recent removal did not include the word "common" or any suggestion thereof.  -- Scray (talk) 11:41, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "No" =D hilarious. Just to add that the original source that supported that content used the words "fairly common", so it was neither "unsourced hoax" or misrepresentation of the source. Suggest red pen is trolling (again)...but look they actually didn't delete any content in their last edit! Not quite actually adding content yet, but baby steps maybe. Lesion (talk) 13:18, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: tossing in a source and saying "everything in this section is verified by this source" is not a response that meets the policy of Verification which requires specific inline citations. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:28, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What has happened here is that you decided to randomly delete content without properly reading it to see the citation, and you are looking to justify your behavior after the event, changing your reasons from initially stating that it was an "unsourced hoax" (despite source in text which you read/don't bother to check), then stating that the content did not accurately reflect the source. How may I ask can something not accurately represent a source and be unsourced at the same time? Now you are trying to say that there was a problem with the inline citation, and linking to your favorite policy (possibly the only policy you have read/choose to follow). There is no requirement for inline citation of every sentence, or even every paragraph. Since this section was short, there is no problem with the citation the way it was. Stop trolling. Lesion (talk) 18:53, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I will fully and unapologetically stand by the position that this version without claims that biting through electrical cords is common is a better version than this version stating "Electrical burns in the mouth are fairly common. ". The article now contains information that accurately reflects a source, and so now unless you have additional discussion about content, we are done here. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:10, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oral electrical burns 

message: Occurred to me that it would be good to have a section on how mouth ulcers heal, on the cellular level. Or maybe this would be better on the oral mucosa page. Lesion (talk) 15:49, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Healing of mouth ulcers 

message: A recent edit removed the image. I think that the differentiation between a malignant ulcer and benign causes of oral ulceration is one of the most important aspects of this topic. The best way to describe something is with a picture rather than words alone. Oral cancer usually presents late, because people have ignored a "mouth ulcer" for many weeks hoping it will go away. This gives oral cancer a poor prognosis because of the lack of awareness, and by the time the person goes to see a health care professional, the tumor is large and may have spread to the lymph nodes in the neck. I did have a look through all the pictures of malignant ulcer we had available a while ago, because someone requested more pictures on the oral cancer page. Arguably, the following image is more typical of a malignant ulcer, both in terms of appearance and site, however the image we have currently for this page excellently shows the classically described rolled margin, and it is almost on the side of the tongue so it is not in an atypical site... Lesion (talk) 10:49, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malignant ulcer image

message: I question the recent addition of the material about cloves as a treatment. The edit summary (from an anonymous editor) talks about personal experience, yet the added material seems to say it is from one of the references. I'm betting that it was just stuck in the middle of some properly referenced material, and that it really belongs after the reference, and is maybe original research. Lou Sander (talk) 02:07, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, and I have reverted the edit which added cloves and also the previous edit which also added unreferenced material to the treatment section. 188.30.205.229 (talk) 05:51, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cloves 

message: I was searching for causes for mouth ulcers and found this article much more better than [NIH http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Mouth-ulcer/Pages/Introduction.aspx] article. Thanks a lot for creating such an exhaustive article. I would like to thank to all the contributors of this article. -- Abhijeet Safai (talk) 06:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow! Great article mainly causes section  

message: I see BedrockPerson and 58.7.108.178/Matthew Ferguson 57 have been engaging in an edit war over adding BedrockPerson's photo of his own mouth. I can't see that the image is needed since it's highly similar to the image above it, and there is no shortage of images in the article.
AntiVan (talk) 02:32, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted once, that does not constitute edit war. Agree image not needed. Matthew Ferguson (talk) 08:54, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Welp, that's a bold faced lie. You reverted not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, but five times. Also, the first three reverts were within 24 hours of each other, which literally constitutes the entire definition of an edit war. So, let's not bullshit anyone here. BedrockPerson (talk) 19:05, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are attributing IP edits to me. At the time I stated the above I had made only one revert. There is no need for abusive language. Matthew Ferguson (talk) 22:03, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

text: Yep, fair point Matthew, that's my bad assumption. Sorry. AntiVan (talk) 23:02, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, so you are in fact not the same user. My mistake then, I was operating on AntiVan's words and nothing else. BedrockPerson (talk) 17:17, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war over extra image 

message: This image is problematic. It does not correspond to descriptions of the pathophysiology of mouth ulcers that I have seen. Please provide reliable references. Matthew Ferguson (talk) 21:22, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. BedrockPerson (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe a textbook on pathophysiology would have details? But yes need a better reference than a small primary source. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simplistic representation of the life cycle of mouth ulcers. 

message: the abbreviation RAS is used here without being introduced. could someone who knows what it is kindly add the definition and link? 108.14.251.104 (talk) 13:41, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  RAS is used without definition 

message: "Cancer sore" redirects to this article now; does this term actually refer to mouth ulcers instead of sores that are caused by cancer? Jarble (talk) 22:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cancer sore"