Talk:Rest of the Words of Baruch

message: This artice has no citations and very little information, and yet manages to discredit the book entirely... Braves27 00:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added references of critical editions A ntv (talk) 16:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: Created page 4 Baruch A ntv (talk) 22:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read carefully, you will see that the "Rest of the Words of Baruch", which is what is in the Ethiopic Book of Jeremiah, includes parts of Lamentations.  Thus, it is not the same thing as 4 Baruch at all.  If you spend the time to read 4 Baruch, it will be immediately obvious that this was never intended as religious scripture but is a fictionalized and entertaining re-telling of 2 Baruch.  This is noted in both articles.  4 Baruch can be found online.  It is a lovely fairy tale of lost time, magical figs, and rising from the dead.  Read it; you might like it!  Adminster (talk) 19:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have read it, thanks.  Do you have any Reliable source for the view that it is "fictionalized and entertaining", or would it be your own OR and POV?  Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 19:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I understand you maybe upset at something; you have my sympathies.  "Fictionalized and entertaining" does not need a source since this is a Talk page.  But, look, 4 Baruch is fun.  Stories about magic figs and an ancient predecessor of the Legends from Sleepy Hollow make great reading for young children.  To be honest, I liked it myself.  Please, enjoy life a little more and laugh!  Adminster (talk) 19:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks but this is just your POV about miracles that are recorded in the Ethiopian Bible, so it deserves the same respect as beliefs encountered in books of other world faiths including the Hebrew Bible, New Testament, Koran, Buddhist and Hindu Scriptures, Mormon, etc.; even if we as neutral editors might not share all these beliefs personally! Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 20:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, its not POV, since it comes directly from the book itself.  Besides, this is a Talk page, I may say what I want.  So can you.  Also, if you have any proof that this "4 Baruch" is identical to what is found at the end of Ethiopic Jeremiah, add that to this article.  But since the Rest of the Words of Baruch also includes a Lamentations 7, it and 4 Baruch are not the same thing in the first place. And we are talking about part of another book, not a book of its own.  Adminster (talk) 20:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you really think you can say whatever you want here, try going into Talk:Quran or Talk:Talmud and say what you just said here about the Ethiopian Bible, being "fictionalized and entertaining"... Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 20:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Read what I wrote.  Greek 4 Baruch and the Ethiopic Rest of the Words of Baruch are not the same thing.  The Rest of the Words of Baruch include Lamentations 7 and is at the back of Ethiopic Jeremiah.  The "fictionalized and entertaining" Greek is a book, the Ethiopic form parts of a book.  Adminster (talk) 20:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to have come up with an arbitrary division as if the Ethiopic and Greek translations are separate works, they are the identical book in two different languages and are certainly recognized as such; the Ethiopic version just contains an additional chapter.  Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Is this article about the book in the Ethiopiac Canon of Eighty One (Broader Canon), or is it about a psuedopigraphical book stemming from Byzantine Christianity? Both books have been referred to as 4 Baruch, despite the fact the text is not identical. In either instances, calling it "The Rest of the Writings of Jeremiah" is misleading to everybody. jonathon (talk) 01:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
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