Talk:Hundred man killing contest

message: not sure about the title. the japan times article i cited calls the event "hyakunin giri kyoso" (100 head contest); maybe "100 head contest would be a better title?" also be nice to get 百人... in complete kanji. (i currently cant display japanese text). Nateji77 07:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Watched. Polishing guns. -- Miborovsky U|T|C|E 00:47, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

text: The title's naming should depend on its purpose, whether it is primarily meant to describe the activity or to document the Nichi Nichi Shimbun article. Re-naming would be more appropriate for the latter but not necessarily the former, in my view. Shawnc 01:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm yes, "hyakunin-kiri kyoso" I think be a better name. Translated of course. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 03:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 百人斬り競争 - Literally, 100 People Beheading Contest.  斬り means beheading in Japanese, it's a verb (well more accurately, a conjugation of 斬る, to behead).  Don't change the name of the article. 160.39.225.217 23:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 斬る (kiru) means cutting something with a sword, which often implies killing a person. But beheading is obviously a wrong translation. There is no single verb for beheading in Japanese. The Japanese phrase for beheading would be 首を斬る (cutting (someone's) neck (with a sword)). You'll see the meanings of 斬る in this dictionary site. http://www.excite.co.jp/dictionary/japanese_english/?search=%E6%96%AC%E3%82%8B&match=beginswith&block=60067&offset=26&title=%E6%96%AC%E3%82%8B  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.158.2 (talk) 04:03, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: English-language scholarship overwhelmingly uses "Hundred Man Killing Contest" or "100-Man Killing Contest." I've amended the title accordingly --Ash-Gaar (talk) 15:20, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial comments 

message: Article says:"Contest to Kill First 100 Chinese with Sword Extended When Both Fighters Exceed Mark--Mukai Scores 106 and Noda 105".  - This quote is clearly stolen directly from Iris Chang's discredited book "The Rape of Nanking", which is not listed in the references.  Either remedy this situation, or I will remove the quote in question, along with any others that have been plagiarized. Bueller 007 04:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch on the plagiarized quote, but to call Chang's book "discredited" is gross hyperbole. Out of the dozens of historians both in the US and abroad who praised the book (Steven Ambrose for one), there have been maybe 3 or 4 who criticized it. Remember WP:POV, especially if it's wacky and unlikely to be supported. 24.29.58.38 20:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dude, you seriously need to get a clue.  Before that book was released in Japan, the "daigyakusatsu-ha" (the group of Japanese scholars who believe that the massacre was ~300,000 people) begged her not to release it because it was full of so much GARBAGE that had already been discredited in Japan.  They were afraid that the release of "The Rape of Nanking" was just going to set up a straw man that the Maboroshi-ha (the Nanjing-deniers) would have no problem knocking down.  As it turns out, that's EXACTLY what happened. I'm not saying there was no massacre, but her book was absolute GARBAGE. There's serious scholarship being done on the subject on all sides of the matter.  "The Rape of Nanking" for the most part just uses already-falsified propaganda. (Not to mention Chang's complete lack of any knowledge or cultural understanding of the Japanese, and her masking of the Chinese army's own scorched-earth program.) Bueller 007 13:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: "Dude, you seriously need to get a clue."  I could try to match the disrespect for pretty much everyone and everything here, but I'll leave it at warning you that I will follow your writing and work to clean out your clear disrespect and bias on Japan-related issues.  This comment of yours is some years old.  Hopefully, you've improved. TheCryingofLot49 (talk) 11:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discredited source? 

message: Isn't the significance of this event more directly related to the fact that the story of this "contest" (true or false) appeared in the official wartime media? It begs the question, "how aware was the average Japanese person of the atrocities being committed against Chinese civilians?". A similar controversy exists in Germany between those who maintain that the average German had no idea where all those Jews disappeared to and those who believe that most of them knew what was really going on. 60.242.126.65 (talk) 10:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significance 

message: ^Topic ScienceApe (talk) 06:56, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How were they executed? 

message: I've left the assertions in place that it was the subject of the contest which caused the controversy and the Nanking Massacre controversy followed it, for the time being. But I really, really think that needs to be either sourced or removed, because 1) it's a rather counter-intuitive assertion and 2) it has the unfortunate implication that the credibility of the Nanking Massacre depends on the credibility of the contest. 76.22.25.102 (talk) 22:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicken or the egg 

message: This is a good article, but nowhere can I find any information on the personal motivations of the accused. Even if historians have trouble attributing a specific motive, there still has to be some speculation on this topic. --67.184.93.111 (talk) 03:53, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motivation? 

message: I've been doing alot of research lately with regard to Japans war crimes and while I highly believe that the contest was real i've heard that Japan back than had tight regulations with regard to censoring information to prevent people from knowing what was going on in China as mentioned here:  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_propaganda_during_World_War_II#Against_Atrocity_Claims
http://www.nankingatrocities.net/Terror/terror_01.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Empire_of_Japan#Early_Sh.C5.8Dwa_Period_.281926.E2.80.931945.29
As mentioned before I believe the contest happened however it is questionable to believe Japanese newspapers where allowed to make artcles about stuff like this since such a photograph of the newspaper could be fake for the sake of extra evidence(again i'm not denying anything).  I am aware of how brutal Japanese soldiers where(mainly due to the training) however I can't imagine Japanese civilians tolerating such a thing happening.  I some how think a large edit might needs to be made to this page that removes the newspaper referances for the sake of continuity. However I strongly believe that it is only fair to discuss it first.  Please comment.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 02:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: I don't deny that the Contest happened, but...

message: I think it would make more sense to give the purported date of the event in the lead, rather than leaving it to the body of the article somewhere. Do people agree? It Is Me Here t / c 11:46, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year further up the article? 

message: Is there a reason for the quoting of "contest" and other words.  It reads very unnaturally, and there's no doubt that this was an actual contest, despicable as that competition might have been. Richard W.M. Jones (talk) 14:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the same thing, and as no-one has answered you in over a year, I've removed all scare-quotes around the word "contest".  I've left other quotes in, as they appear to be represent actual quotes. Iapetus (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Quoting" of this "article" 

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