Talk:Duel (American game show)

message: Think it should say 90 minutes instead of 60. --Mjrmtg (talk) 18:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it should include both because Wednesday, Thursday and Friday night it'll be an hour long. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 21:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't say either. Runtime is supposed to be not including the commercials, not the full 90 or 60 minutes. TheHYPO (talk) 02:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then find the times out and add them back - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 12:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Running Time

message: Do we really need to keep updating the episode summary every 5 seconds with each move that happens? Write a summary after the episode is completed. 12.29.175.2 (talk) 02:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we need synopses at all? It seems like an atypical venture for a game show article. All it says is "this player played and beat this person, then played and beat that person... If people think this information is viable, it is best written as a listing of duels, not as a written synopsis. I'm gonna kill the synopses now; they can be returned if there is outrage, but I think they are pointless TheHYPO (talk) 02:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Normally I would agree with you, but since this is a game show with a set amount of contestants (24) on a set amount of episodes (6), I think that the summaries should be kept. If the show continues after the 6 episodes I think that the summaries shouldn't be kept. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 02:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reitterate, episode summaries are stupid. They amount to a list of duels, which would simply be a better and more efficient use of space, and be clearer to read without silly essay-grammer for no reason. Someone who wants to keep the episode summaries ought to reformat them into a list or table of duels. Otherwise it's just a poor section that should be removed. It's not a summary of the episodes, or it would have to actually summarize the games. This is a summary of duels which should just be a list, not a summary. If noone wants to do it, I'll do it myself, because really the little notes like "on a question about dog's fingerprints" is quite poor style for wikipedia, and is quite trivial to mention.TheHYPO (talk) 02:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Summaries 

message: These episodes have been taped. They are not live. As such, the leaders probably shouldn't be updated as the show runs but only once, after the show has finished airing. TheHYPO (talk) 02:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating during show. 

message: Hey Zach. As that duel list gets longer, I think the top-4 is going to look really a lot worse on the left than on the right. I'd like to keep the duel list on the left. Thoughts? TheHYPO (talk) 02:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I moved the Leaderboard to the left column just because the duel list was short at the time, but as it gets longer (which it is now) I think it's going to look worse too. I'll move it now. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 02:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the accounting format better with the right alignment. And I'm not sure how to adjust the sizes of the columns. Maybe someone else out there knows how? - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 11:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if that is what you wanted, but I've changed the column alignment of the tables. In addition, I've also changed the "leaderboard table" -- I think it should fit more into the Wikipedia style than that of the show's (which may or may not have been the original intention). Thoughts? If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 22:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the new leaderboard table, except I think that it's a little wide (based on the content in it). I'll change the width and see what happens. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 23:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like the lack of space between the columns with the col template. It looks a little sloppy. TheHYPO (talk) 01:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables 

message: What, did noone watch last night or tonight? We usually have 3 or 4 people rapidly tossing in the duel info as it happens if not right after the EST viewing. Noone has updated either episode so far. TheHYPO (talk) 04:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a Friday night haha. I had to tape it so I would see what happened - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 23:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is everyone? 

message: I didn't record the show, but I filled in everything else exactly. I also changed all remaining players in the player's gallery to read "Eliminated (Did Not Play)". I felt it was succinct enough. Feel free to change if you think it sounds bad.
Catldr24 (talk) 05:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry about the Question marks for Ken's money. 

message: Should we add a new table under the leaderboard? Replace the leaderboard? I guess once tomorrow concludes the leaderboard is no longer relevant? I guess we'll have to see what the format is, but we will probably be removing the leaderboard? Probably ought to have a table or something that covers the playoffs separate from the first table (and should title the first table "qualifying round" TheHYPO (talk) 16:57, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm thinking that after tomorrow we replace the right side with the leaderboard with a Playoffs table and keep the qualifying table on the left. I also think that the final duel between the 4th seed and the new challenger should go under qualifying round and not playoffs. -zachinthebox (User • Talk) 23:34, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The format of the "please remove this tonight" tables will have to be tweaked; I assume that was just put there as a starting point; There is no reason for a single tabular row across the article; If anywhere, it would be just fine across the top of the playoff table. The playoff table is also quite speculative since we have no idea what the playoff format will be. TheHYPO (talk) 19:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's just a basic table to get it started. I think that the jackpot should actually be put into the lead of the section, rather than in a table (ex. "The top four players played for a final jackpot of X dollars"). I'm assuming that the playoffs will be in the same format, but something like 1st v 4th, 2nd v 3rd as semi-finals and then the winners of those duel each other. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 20:14, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preemptivity: re tomorrow night 

message: On the show tonight, Robert Elswick was said to have taken home $55,000, but we have it listed at $50,000. Are our numbers wrong? If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 03:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final round 

message: I added a hall of Fame for this article
1st Round	Name             	Occupation       	Duels won	Winnings
Winner   	Ashlee Register  	Nurse            	4        	$1,795,000
Runner-Up	Robert Elswick II	Used car salesman	4        	$55,000
2nd Round	Name             	Occupation       	Duels Won	Winnings
Winner   	TBA              	TBA              	TBA      	TBA
Runner-Up	TBA              	TBA              	TBA      	TBA
:What is fame? What is a hall of fame? 
:# There is no evidence the show will return
:# There is no precident for calling this week a "rpound"
:# The winner and runner up are already shown in this article
:# Who is the arbiter of who is "famous"?
:I support the removal of this from the article.  TheHYPO (talk) 01:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hall of Fame

message: Should we split this article into two seasons because I read the episode description for tonight's season premiere and it says something about a revamped version of the show returns. Also, if we did split it we could keep Season 1's leaderboard/information, however if we kept both seasons in one article, I think it would be best to remove it or else it just becomes cluttered. - zachinthebox (Talk) 10:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spilt Article 

message: I would like consensus to delete the table of Season 1 contestants, which I think was fairly un-notable at the time of air, and now that the series is continuing, is even more unnecessary. Any decents? 74.12.97.13 (talk) 03:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it should be removed. - zachinthebox (Talk) 21:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contestants not-notable? 

message: Just to check (maybe I misheard it)--is the top prize $500K, no matter how much one wins in five Duels, or is it the five Duel total plus $500K? Samer (talk) 04:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't made clear; I would guess the prize is bumped to 500k, rather than tacking it on. TheHYPO (talk) 05:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: [Note: spoiler warning.] OTOH, if you do that, then the more a contestant wins, the more likely they are to walk, since they have much less to gain by continuing to play (think about it for a second--would you risk $400K for a chance at $100K?). Although, from the previews, it looks like we'll find out in the next few weeks (not only did they show confetti on the set, but they pretty much showed us who's going to win the $$$$). Samer (talk) 14:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the concept is that the better a player is, the faster they will win their duels... if you win 4 duels in 3 questions each, you only win 5k per... 20k to risk on your fifth duel. You're only risking 400k if you win each of four duels in 10 questions or more, AND double it. Very unlikely. TheHYPO (talk) 22:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that it's not a question of how good you are, it's a question of how good your opponents are. In any case, I put a note to the effect that it's an open question; once it's stated definitively, we can edit it. Samer (talk) 01:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a mixture; half the game is strategy; when to press, how you gamble your chips so that you have more than your opponent but don't risk getting the wrong answer... a winner can win equally by his own skill or by the lack of skill of the opponent. The winner gets to pick their opponent though, so that's another way they control their own destiny. As such, to at least some extent, a short game can be dictated by a good player picking a bad opponent, and playing well against them. Either way, it is still very unlikely for any player to play four games to 10 questions each (remember they only get ten chips). TheHYPO (talk) 04:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

text: "Picking a bad opponent"--unfortunately, all they tell you is the person's age(?), occupation, and hometown. That's not really enough to make an educated decision. But we don't even have to go as far as $400K to win $100K. The problem becomes that the money at stake just doesn't justify going on (even risking $20K might only net you $1K in the next Duel). The worst example of this I can think of is the "Perfect 21" round from Twenty-One (game show). All you had to do to win $210K was answer six true-false questions. The problem, though, was the prize structure: $10K, $20K, ... , $60K, and a wrong answer cost you everything. Thus, the amounts at risk were $10K to win $20K (fine), $30K to win $30K (OK), $60K to win $40K (ummm....), $100K to win $50K, and then the rather ridiculous $150K to win $60K. It'll be interesting to see how much the five-Duel winner is gutsy enough to risk in the process. Samer (talk) 16:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New top prize 

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message: Is it possible to include this elimination table in this article? Please check this table for any errors and make sure it matches with the leaderboard.
;Color key 
;Contestant info
 
;Result details
Episode:         	1      	1      	1      	2      	2      	2      	2             	3        	3        	3           	3       	4        	4                	4              	4             	5             	5      	5             	5       	6      	6           	6             	6
Duel:            	1      	2      	3      	4      	5      	6      	7             	8        	9        	10          	11      	12       	13               	14             	15            	16            	17     	18            	19      	20     	21          	22            	Final
Winner:          	Sue    	Denise 	Monica 	Julie  	Julie  	Karla  	Robert E.     	Robert E.	Robert E.	Emily       	Tammy   	Robert W.	Stephen          	Fritz          	Ashlee        	Ashlee        	Ken    	Ken           	Jim     	Ken    	Robert E.   	Ashlee        	Ashlee
Winnings:        	$10,000	$5,000 	$0     	$5,000 	$10,000	$45,000	$15,000       	$5,000   	$10,000  	$45,000     	$0      	$5,000   	$5,000           	$10,000        	$35,000       	$0            	$5,000 	$10,000       	$0      	$5,000 	$25,000     	$5,000        	$35,000
Jackpot increase:	$90,000	$95,000	$35,000	$95,000	$90,000	$15,000	$85,000       	$95,000  	$90,000  	$15,000     	$100,000	$90,000  	$95,000          	$90,000        	$30,000       	$100,000      	$95,000	$90,000       	$100,000	$95,000	$50,000     	$95,000       	$30,000
                 	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Ashlee           	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	WIN           	WIN           	LOSE   	              	        	       	            	WIN           	$1,795,000
Robert E.        	       	       	       	       	       	       	WIN           	WIN      	WIN      	LOSE        	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	WIN         	              	$55,000
Julie            	       	       	       	WIN    	WIN    	LOSE   	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	LOSE          	
Ken              	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	WIN    	WIN           	LOSE    	WIN    	LOSE        	              	
Jim              	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	WIN     	LOSE   	            	              	
Ann              	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	LOSE          	        	       	            	              	
Emily            	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	WIN         	LOSE    	         	                 	               	              	              	       	OUT           	        	       	            	              	
Kimberley        	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	LOSE          	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Karla            	       	       	       	       	       	WIN    	LOSE          	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	OUT           	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Fritz            	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	WIN            	LOSE          	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Stephen          	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	WIN              	LOSE           	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Robert W.        	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	WIN      	LOSE             	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Tammy            	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	WIN     	LOSE     	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Sue              	WIN    	LOSE   	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	OUT         	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
?                	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	LOSE     	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Johnny           	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	LOSE     	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Denise           	       	WIN    	LOSE   	       	       	       	OUT           	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Monica           	       	       	WIN    	LOSE   	       	OUT    	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Sheri            	       	       	       	       	LOSE   	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Marco            	LOSE   	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
                 	       	       	       	       	       	       	              	         	         	            	        	         	                 	               	              	              	       	              	        	       	            	              	
Notes            	1      	2      	(none) 	(none) 	(none) 	3      	4             	(none)   	(none)   	5           	6       	(none)   	(none)           	(none)         	(none)        	7             	(none) 	8             	9       	(none) 	10          	(none)        	11
Eliminated       	Marco  	(none) 	(none) 	(none) 	Sheri  	Monica 	Denise  $5,000	Johnny   	?        	Sue  $10,000	(none)  	Tammy    	Robert W.  $5,000	Stephen  $5,000	Fritz  $10,000	Kimberley     	(none) 	Ann           	(none)  	Jim    	Ken  $20,000	Julie  $15,000	Robert E.  Runner-up
Karla  $45,000   	Marco  	(none) 	(none) 	(none) 	Sheri  	Monica 	Denise  $5,000	Johnny   	?        	Sue  $10,000	(none)  	Tammy    	Robert W.  $5,000	Stephen  $5,000	Fritz  $10,000	Emily  $45,000	(none) 	Ashlee  Winner	(none)  	Jim    	Ken  $20,000	Julie  $15,000	
Finals bracket
The score next to the contestant's name indicates the amount of money the contestant had at the end of each duel. The winner of each duel is marked in bold.
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J4lambert (talk) 17:53, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Elimination table

message: I have translated the article from English to Spanish, and I am going to need all references from this article to be copies over to the Spanish language article, which is located at here. I am going to need a lot of help to make sure the article is not removed (I have already added 1 reference to the article, but it needs about 10 or so). Can anyone please copy the references from this article to the Spanish Wikipedia page about the show? Thank you. J4lambert (talk) 00:41, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish language article translation