Template talk:Solar System/Archive 4

message: Venus is rounder (cheat: based on an image of a shaded sphere). └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 16:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But Venus is somehow at half phase when all of the other planets are at third quarter? RandomCritic 16:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, goodness gracious! I wanna go back to the silhouettes! └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 17:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version XXIV 

message: How's this? └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 17:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Venus is now bigger than Earth, and it should be the same size. It's actually about 95% of Earth, but even if its the same number of pixels on the image it can appear larger because of its brightness. Also, the inner planets are at about 85-90% phase so I was editing the image to match. This probably accounts for some of the squareness, which I was trying to remove by darkening the right pixels. Obviously, I didn't go far enough... but I still feel the size issue is more important than close inspection roundness. The Enlightened 20:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, a substantially rounded shadow makes Venus look much more 3-D than the other terrestrials, and again makes it look a lot bigger than Earth. This is why I removed a lot of it on mine.The Enlightened 20:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see this version of Venus as larger than Earth at all. I also don't think we should even be attempting to make Earth look bigger than Venus, since the difference is quite small.  As for the three-dimensionality, I agree with version XXIV, but not XXV. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 20:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Wait a minute... please restore the Martian moons, Enlightened. It was agreed upon some time back that they should stay, for good reason. There was no consensus for deleting them. --Ckatzchatspy 20:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hang on a minute, I never saw any "agreement". Three people have at various points supported keeping them in, and two people (myself and Nbound) have suggested removing them. I never agreed, I let it be. I only took them off when people objected to having Nix & Hydra on there. I said that P&D should go as well in that case an no-one objected. We need a sensible dividing line between including moons and not including them. Nix & Hydra are both larger than Phobos & Deimos, and larger relative to their host planet. The Enlightened 21:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version XXV 

message: :::Wait a minute... please restore the Martian moons, Enlightened. It was agreed upon some time back that they should stay, for good reason. There was no consensus for deleting them. --Ckatzchatspy 20:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hang on a minute, I never saw any "agreement". Three people have at various points supported keeping them in, and two people (myself and Nbound) have suggested removing them. I never agreed, I let it be. I only took them off when people objected to having Nix & Hydra on there. I said that P&D should go as well in that case an no-one objected. We need a sensible dividing line between including moons and not including them. Nix & Hydra are both larger than Phobos & Deimos, and larger relative to their host planet. The Enlightened 21:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Incluion of minor moons

message: #Phobos, Deimos, and Dysnomia re-added
#Venus modified again
#:└ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 20:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you... it is appreciated. I really think that the image - being the first thing readers will see - should at least suggest that a planet/dwarf planet has satellite(s). --Ckatzchatspy 20:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your Venus is definitely a lot better shape now. Is there any way you could get the colour tint in on the rounded image. Its grey there and it has a pinkish-yellowish hue (not quite sure how to describe it actually: color.jpg The Enlightened 21:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if it's quite right, but it's got some colour now. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 21:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, maybe a little browner? Plus, would it be posible for even less shadow? Maybe just a slight edge on the right side to get it similar to Earth? I know I'm being picky! Then I'll have a go at trying to put some of the white cloud wisps in. The Enlightened 12:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I took one more crack at it, but I don't know what else I can do. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 13:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect! You've done a fine job! The Enlightened 16:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm fine with Venus the way it is; you can vary the brightness, but probably the governing factor has to be the perceived size of the planet, and not its actual brightness.  With an albedo of about .65, a true-brightness Venus would scream off the page compared to the other planets. And the faint tints of yellowish color in its atmosphere are probably barely detectable at this scale. RandomCritic 13:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think you're right. The Enlightened 16:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version XXVI 

message: * We're up to 98 kilobytes! Alba 14:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive again please!