Talk:Symphony No. 9 (Mahler)

message: Many more additions must be made.  Instrumentation, more description of the background, etc.
:I've added instrumentation. Do feel free to add whatever else you can. --Camembert
"The work's ending was for many years interpreted as being a self-conscious farewell to the world—until increased knowledge of the draft of the unfinished Tenth Symphony made this interpretation untenable."
That statement is utterly ridiculous.  Mahler's 10th has been well-known (and performed) for decades.  There is nothing in the 10th that nullifies the interpretation that the 9th is a farewell to life.  Much of the rest of what the article states is ludicrous as well.  This entry needs a serious overhaul.  Right now it should be taken with a grain of salt.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.189.193 (talk) 04:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

message: The Romantic symphonies category seems to fit, but why wouldn't the user add this to the other symphonies of Mahler? The symphony fit better under a post-romantic category. I will remove the category for now. A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 15:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The new category added by Lbark 

message: Readers should be aware that almost nothing in this article is true. The page appears to have been written by a deluded fantasist. I have deleted the first falsehood, which was a chronologial impossibility; many others remain to be corrected. A real shocker. Can we make this article 'Z-class', please...? Pfistermeister (talk) 01:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the offending sentences, as (whether true or not) they really don't/didn't belong here. As for the rest of the article....I really have no idea where to start. A real shame; this Symphony and Mahler deserve better. -- Mahlerlover1 (talk | contributions) 22:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I lied. I did have an idea about where to start, or at least I got one. What do you think now? Still needs work, though. Mahlerlover1 (talk | contributions) 00:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is a DISGRACE... 

message: Mahler's Ninth Symphony is referenced in St. Elmo's Fire 
Time: 1:19:17
You can't have the Pretenders album.
- That's mine.
- I bought it.
You did not!
You can have all the Billy Joels, Except The Stranger.
I'm taking Thriller......and Mahler's Ninth.
Kevin is so fond of Mahler  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.198.243.180 (talk) 09:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Culture 

message: Regarding the text near "The work opens with a hesitant, syncopated motif (which some, including Leonard Bernstein, have suggested is a depiction of Mahler's irregular heartbeat",  states in this edit "Bernstein says it at 3:39 of this video http://www.youtube.com/v/-SjAgSo7uro&fs=1&source=uds&autoplay=1". I leave it to the regular editors of this article to determine whether the video is a reliable source and supports the text. Anomie⚔ 14:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment from 173.70.131.243 

message: I listened to Mahler 9 recently, and when the adagio started, I thought for a moment that I'd loaded the adagio of Bruckner 9 by mistake -- but I hadn't! Perhaps the fact that Mahler copied the opening of the corresponding movement in the corresponding symphony by Bruckner should be mentioned in the article. I haven't found much on Google, but I presume this is a tribute by Mahler to a fellow composer whom he knew and admired. Custardslice7 (talk) 16:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruckner 9 

message: This quotation is presented as merely being "less favourable". It is also dated, and expresses a view no serious music writer would now espouse. Perhaps some historical context could be added here? Stevouk (talk) 12:06, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Deems Taylor

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replies: text: NetHelper, thank you for identifying the issue. It has been resolved in accordance with copyright policy. See below for the specific remedy applied. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:14, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Violation in Mahler 9:3rd Movement 

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replies: text: Note: Earlier content of the tagged section has been restored. See the copyright listing: 21 April 2018. Some of the content in the section clearly evolved within the article, as it was present from very early in the article's history and in nascent form. However, after the identified 19 January 2015 creation of the external site, this article was modified to match. Since this is inconsistent with our copyright policy, the form of the article that existed prior to the creation of the 19 January 2015 source has been restored. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:14, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: There are at least two seriously misleading statements in this brief section. 1) Mahler's heart condition had been with him from his birth, through a very strenuous life filled with hard work. The discovery of it in the summer of 1907 (through a routine medical examination) was an unpleasant surprise, but there is no evidence that it was progressively fatal in itself. Mahler could have lived with it until the age of eighty without any real trouble, as far as doctprs were concerned it was a "sleeper condition", not an active disease grinding down his health. 
2) Mahler stopped work on his draft for the 10th symhony around September 1910, and seems not to have clocked any substantial work on it afterwards (no doubt he was hoping to return to it in the summer of 1911). At this point he was busy with two things, first off, the grand premiere of his 8th Symphony at Munich in October - a big event with famous musicians, composers and writers frpm all over Europe in attendance - and then preparing his 1910-11 New York season. But he also undertook some revisions of the score for the 9th (this is mentioned in several biographies, for example Peter Franklin's eminent The Life of Mahler and La Grange's great biography, and also in the article on the 10th here at Wikipedia). So he left the score for the 10th to rest at that point and never worked on it again. The wording of the article here suggests the melodramatic notion that he was working on it in a race against ill-health and impending death right up to his passing in May 1911, which is nonsense. 188.150.64.57 (talk) 03:33, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on "Mahler's death"