Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Stargate task force/Archive 6

message: Do we tag redirect pages with the SG talk tag? Morphh 19:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not much point - people won't see them much. --Tango 19:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know if we use the tag to monitor how many articles and such are associated with the project (to include redirects).  Sounds good though :-)  Morphh 19:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's mainly just to advertise the project.  There are a whole load of categories for stargate articles - those can be used for finding out what is associated with the project. --Tango 19:48, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SG talk tag

message: This page name is totally wrong to me. See here: Talk:Trust (Stargate). What do you think. --Alfakim-- talk 16:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move: [[Trust (Stargate)]]

message: Some of you might already be aware of the spoiler tag dispute from Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning. (For those of who who do not know about it, it is a debate on the use of spoiler tags and if they should be used on Wikipedia.) The editors involved have decided to file an RfC and start a new discussion page, in order for the debate to be more inviting to other editors. The RfC has an intro page at Wikipedia:Spoiler warning/RfC and then a structured discussion page at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning/RfC.  The debate is now better organized and not as heated as it was before. I'd like to invite anyone interested to get involved in the debate, even if it's just a small comment or neutral input. -- Ned Scott 01:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tag Request for comment 

message: I've made a Stargate recent changes page.  Thank god I got it in beofre surgury... anyway!  This shows the changes made to articles or templates that are listed here, which is the clear majority of the Stargate articles here.  If you find one not on there, just add it to the list and make sure that it is tagged with a catagory (which is probably why I didn't find it.)  Anyway, hope it comes in handy!  American Patriot 1776 04:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Incredible stuff! --Alfakim-- talk 13:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Changes 

message: Why does nearly every single episode article have the following link?:
* Gatenoise from Moon-catchin'. Visited June 23, 2006.
Linking to that websites transcript of the episode might be useful but linking to that websites index page, on every single episode?
Anyway, I, personally, think every link like the above ought to be deleted.  Given how much of them there are, though, it seems like this might be a task best suited for a bot or something... TerraFrost 17:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were originally to transcripts, but the site asked us not to link directly to them, so they were changed to the index page.  I suggested changing them to another site that will let us link directly, but it seems that didn't happen. --Tango 18:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gatenoise from Moon-catchin' 

message: Before I nominate it on FAC, I want to know if anyone has any new (not previously sugested) ideas on how to improve DNA Resequencer even further.  Sugestions are apreciated.  (Just a note: I just added more pictures.  I don't think any additional picx exist on the net)  03:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per the above discussion on moon-catchin', it seems to me that the links to their transcripts on the DNA Resequencer page ought to be removed.  Or is directly linking to moon-catchin' links now allowed, whereas it wasn't, before? TerraFrost 17:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A few transcripts that are on that site are linked to.  What's wrong with that?  Tobyk777 00:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out this discussion.   Basically, Moon-catchin' asked wikipedia not to link directly to their transcripts.  A quick search yielded this.  Are articles seeking featured article status excluded from this? TerraFrost 02:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt any such exception exists for FA candidates. Plenty other places have transcripts online, why not go to one of them and ask to link directly to their transcripts? Gateworld has well formatted transcripts and I'm sure if they were asked first, they wouldn't mindNo Way Back 15:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Further ways [[DNA Resequencer]] can be improved

message: thumb|right
Just a question, who is the woman in this pic?  She doesn't look familier. American Patriot 1776 18:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea... She looks like she's wearing Ancient Egyptian clothes, but none of the episodes listed at the bottom as being on that DVD/Video feature either an Ancient Egyption woman, or a female Gou'ld, as far as I'm aware... --Tango 19:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea either.  She was never in any episode.  Tobyk777 05:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Funny, I'm looking at her, and even though I understand that she was only onscreen for 20 seconds, I understand the decision to put her on the cover.  I understand it completely.  MM-MMMM, yep.  ;-)  --Bark 19:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pic 

message: I would ask everyone interested to help us reach a consensus on the naming for the SG1/A Screenshots here. Thanks in advance --SoWhy Talk 07:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming of SG-1/A Screenshots 

message: How does the "Track Changes for WikiProject Stargate articles" thing work?  I can't help but think it would be a useful addition to WP:SCOTUS - so if someone could tell me how to set it up, I'd appreciate it.  :)  --Tim4christ17 17:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you just create a page and put links in it to every article in the project, and then use the related changes page for that page. (It's underneath "What links here" on the side panel). --Tango 18:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How does the track changes thing work? 

message: I was atonished by how amazing and spectacular the peagasus project was.  It could possibly be the best episode of all time.  Everything in it was brilliant.  The shows mixed perfectly.  Who agrees with me?  Tobyk777 17:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they did mix very well. I was however annoyed by one thing- Morgan le Fay in the older versions of the Arthurian legends was an ally of Arthur. It was only in the later legends that she became a villainess. I was hoping that either a) Daniel would realize this and it would turn out that in truth she had always been on Merlin's side or b) it would mean that she had started out as an ally of Merlin and had only later opposed him. JoshuaZ 18:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely an amazing episode. On my top ten, maybe better (have to watch it a few more times). If they can keep that quality level up there is no reason they couldn't go to 20 seasons! ;) Konman72 21:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope you are right, but with every season actor salaries become more expensive.  At some point they have to cancel it due to costs.  Tobyk777 21:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, but episodes like that make me regret it even more, and wish they would just give them all the money they want/deserve :P Konman72 22:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Plus, since that episode had both casts it probably was twice the cost.  But they deserved it.  However, it's sad that eventualy the studio won't be able to give them the money they deserve.  Tobyk777 03:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was perhaps the best SG-1 ever.  The plotline was so deep, the characters so intense (spare Vala, which made Daniel's concentration even better), and the overall special effects amazing as always.  Truely a gem. American Patriot 1776 15:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed Tobyk777 17:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Best episode ever.  It's still on my DVR.  Needless to say, I've watched it more than once.  --Bark 12:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who else was amazed witht the peagasus project

message: Havent seen Pegasus Project yet, now I'm dying to! Back to Wikipedia things though...
The main templates, ,  and  need a looking at. I think we need to get rid of links to really minor articles, and include all the major things. We don't want to overload readers with millions of useless links, we want to give them a good idea about all the major parts of the Stargate universe. So I suggest deciding on a body of major links below.
Add to/change the below sections as you see fit.--Alfakim-- talk 15:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links on main templates 

message: Pretty much as it stands:
*Earth, Alpha Site, Abydos, Chulak, Dakara, Langara, Tollana, Atlantis
I think the planets are fine.  Mabe we should take out Tollana.  On the races, perhaps the Iratus bug and Re'tu should be out, but again here I think they are borderline important enough.  On the tech template, Project Arcuturus should dfeinietly be taken out.  It should't even be an article.  I should be mereged into the ancient tech article.  The time dialation device should be in the other races section, since the asgard used it too.  And i'm not sure about the diffrent asgard ships being there.  Tobyk777 17:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stargate planets

message: Suggest a renaming of various things. List of Technology in the Stargate universe isn't a formal list anymore, so just Technology in Stargate is neater and better. I suggest doing the same with Alien races in the Stargate universe (Aliens in Stargate) by prioritising that list.
Also, templates:  rather than ;  rather than .  and .--Alfakim-- talk 15:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on the lists.  They aren't technicaly lists anymore.  They should be moved.  With the templates I don't think it really makes a diffrence.  Tobyk777 17:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaming

message: I know you guys have already been informed of the spoiler tag RfC, noted above on this talk page, but I thought I'd give you guys an update, since this might end up affecting :
I thought I'd let editors here know that revisions are being proposed and discussed for WP:SPOILER and its templates at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning/guidelines. This is a result of the (still open) RfC going on at Wikipedia:Spoiler warning/RfC. Any input and collaboration between fictional guidelines and WikiProjects is welcome and encouraged.
In addition, I proposed on the RfC talk page that it might be a good idea to have some WikiProjects discuss this issue themselves and also present a "group answer". It might be a good way to get a fresh take on the issue and avoid groupthink.  Basically, start a discussion on how your project uses spoiler tags and notices, and what you think could be improved about the process and the WP:SPOILER guidelines. -- Ned Scott 03:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you guys think? Personally, I think spoiler tags need to be kept, but should be more discreet.--Alfakim-- talk 15:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A discreet spoiler tag doesn't really do the job. It has to big enough to notice even if you're just scanning the page. I think they should stay as they are. --Tango 20:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tag usage 

message: The following article has been listed at AFD:
* 
Please contribute to the discussion.  I recommend that if you wish to avoid nominations of further articles, you start citing sources immediately in all articles, to demonstrate that their subjects are the subjects of multiple independent non-trivial published works that are independent of the show and its creators, and thus satisfy the primary notability criterion.  Only two of the articles in :Category:Stargate planets even cite any sources at all. Uncle G 14:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles listed at Articles for deletion 

message: I have created the Minor Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis as a complement and expansion of the Tau'ri personnel of Atlantis list. I've moved Dillion Everett, Markham, Stackhouse and Brendan Gall profiles to it and created redirects from the former articles. I've also added a couple of more brief profiles. 
I think Peter Grodin should be moved in too. Someone else? Ideas are appreaciated. --Andromeda 02:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, links to the lists should be in the charcter templates.  Tobyk777 03:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, we need to somehow link to the charcters listed on the recuing charcters templates on the main pages for both shows.  Tobyk777 03:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Please read Talk:Minor Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis, I have made a few statements there. - LA @ 07:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis 

message: Ok, I'm not a member of this WikiProject, and I just make edits to Stargate pages where I see that it is neccessary, and I  don't know if this is where to bring this up, but I felt I should bring up this idea.  Since Wikipedia already has a page for the battle of P3Y-229, why don't we start making pages for each major battle that is shown on the show, such as the battle for Chulak, that immediately follows P3Y-229, and keep an order of succession for the battles at the bottom of each page.  To go with this idea, a third battle could be listed already as the Second battle of P3Y-229, where Teal'c destroys the Ori Battlecruiser with the Supergate itself.  This was just an idea though, thanks for letting me ramble about it. (Grizzwald 07:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a good idea and one that I thought about implementing, but Stargate has never had too many big battles. Even the "Battle of Chulak" was only seen for about 4 minutes and had very little actually happen. The only reason I started the Battle of P3Y-229 article was because there was a lot of information about that battle. Perhaps others will disagree though, to me it is just a matter of having actual battles rather than slight conflicts, which is how I view the examples given Konman72 07:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't mind having a seperate Battle of 229 article, since it was a fairly notable battle when it comes to the Stargate universe. We'd need to be careful however as articles on skirmishes would probably be deleted quickly. If the current AfD that's oing on is any indication, I'd say non-project editors are going to be watching us closer than they have been in the past No Way Back 12:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Start a singular battle page for both series called Stargate battles. Under each series section there would be a description of each battle and how it relates to the Stargate setting as a whole. Do not just include battles fought by SGC and Atlantis personnel. A fairly significant battle took place between Rand and Caledonia where SGC personnel were only involved because of the Ori superweapon. Before that there was a battle between Rand and a religious splinter group. They are still Stargate battles, yet not fought by SCG personnel. Good idea? - LA @ 19:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle Lists 

message: Does anyone know what episode it is stated that the space between the event horizon and iris is 3 microns?  Thanks. American Patriot 1776 01:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The enemy within did.  Tobyk777 02:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (episode right after the pilot) Tobyk777 02:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! American Patriot 1776 02:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iris space 

message: I'd do it myself, but I have other things I need to do; but it shouldn't take too long. Both the show page and the team page are a bit off. Lockesdonkey 02:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It does seem kind of off, but on the other hand, it's hard to find specfic problems.  Tobyk777 03:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The SG-1 page needs updating 

message: What on earth happened to the leads of all our episodes? American Patriot 1776 18:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. Did something get deleted? Konman72 19:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean?--Alfakim-- talk 20:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's something wrong with the template, all the intros are displaying gibberish/wikicode. Check The Pegasus Project to see. The template seems to be the culprit, it is displaying the same code on its page as well. Konman72 20:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Episodes

message: Why are plot details from episodes no one has seen all over the Stargate pages, specifically the Daniel Jackson page? mavhc 11:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The episodes are "in the can", and as far as the Daniel Jackson page goes, that information does have a spoiler warning associated with it.  Bear in mind, I didn't write it, but I would assume that's the reasoning behind whoever did.  --Bark 12:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Future episode spoilers

message: On the Stargate page there are posters for SG-1, SG-A and SG-I to introduce their sections, but the SG-A one is very low quality. Please can someone find a good resolution (greater than 300px wide) version of that poster! If not that one, then the poster simply needs to include all 5 original regular characters, the "Stargate Atlantis" title, and be shaped portrait-style like a poster. Thanks! --Alfakim-- talk 18:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help me find SGA poster! 

message: Hello all...
I would like to know if anyone knows who created these two images. I can't tell from the image pages. I need to get in contact with the person. - LA @ 14:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like they were uploaded by someone from the German Wikipedia - Pythagoras1  --Tim4christ17 16:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, according to the Commons page, Pythagoras1 made them himself with OpenOffice. --SoWhy Talk 18:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gate images 

message: Please see here.
I've discussed this reorganisation of the SG-database's lists with Andromeda and a few others, and I think we've got it about right now. It should help to make things easier, and they can be more easily added to templates.
Just a final check: does a significant majority agree to this mass-renaming and re-ordering?--Alfakim-- talk 06:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final check to agree on list reorganisation 

message: Hi, I just noticed on the Ancient (Stargate) page, it never actualy states how long the lifespan of the anceints was.  (Before acension)  I was about to add this info when I realized that I didn't know it.  In "Frozen" it was hintted that they could live millions of years, and since Ancients tend to remeber their entire history this would be supported.  But, was it ever actualy stated how long unacended Ancients could live?  Tobyk777 23:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you quote the part the hints that? The frozen ancient in Frozen lived in a dormant state for millions of years, but that doesn't say anything about their normal lifespan - it was effectively stasis. I don't think there has been any mention of their lifespan, so I'd guess it was close to ours, but that's pure speculation. --Tango 03:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I remeber fraiser saying something similar to (but not the exact quote): "She was in stasus for millions of years, but a life form with her regenerative propoerties could concevably live much longer than that." Tobyk777 04:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lifespan of the Ancients

message: I just started the Ancient characters in Stargate article by merging in all the individual ancient biographies, except for Oma Desala. I'm not sure if she should be merged or not. Is the most important Ancient to date, but her article is not that long. Opinions? --Andromeda 02:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think her article is long enough to be separate. I think Orlin should have his own article (major character in multiple episodes qualifies him, I think), and Merlin probably should - at least I'm expecting much more info during this series of Atlantis, so we should have enough for a full article soon. --Tango 03:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Oma's article is borderline long enough.  It could go either way.  Merlins should be in a list now, but might later become long enough.  On the other hand, I think some Goa'uld might need some merging.  Like Amaterasu and some others.  Tobyk777 04:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Orlin has only appeared twice, I think he's better in the list page. While his role was big in both episodes, there's not that much information about him. I agree that, for now, Merlin should be in the list, with the option to break him off later if, and only if, needed. After all, one of the points of this is to have less pages with less chances of AfD. I'll keep Oma separated for now. Thanks! --Andromeda 17:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Oma Desala? 

message: If you get the Stargate barnstar, yet use ribbons on your user page, the following ribbon has been created by Zscout370. I think we owe him little thank yous... :) - LA @ 07:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stargate WP barnstar ribbon