Talk:Rabee al-Madkhali

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message: Wow. This article is completely biased against Shaykh Rabee, and seems to support Shiaism. There is no such thing as 'madkhalism', and he is with the major salafi scholars of Saudi Arabia. Here is his bio: http://www.fatwa-online.com/scholarsbiographies/15thcentury/rabeealmadkhalee.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.58.250.127 (talk) 18:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a Salafist website made for translating fatwas from Saudi Arabia, widely coped and pasted on English language discussion forums. It's neither reliable nor professional as a source. MezzoMezzo (talk) 09:36, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utter Rubbish 

message: "Madkhali is the father-in-law of anti-government cleric Musa al-Qarni."
What is the reference for this and it's relevance? It would seem more informative to list his children like Muhammad b. Rabee al-Madhkalee who is seen by some as a scholar in his own right and the author of books than who might or might not be his son-in -law. Amerrycan Muslim (talk) 07:14, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's uncited and I don't see any sources myself, it would be prudent to delete it in that case. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:35, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source and relevance of this sentence? 

message: I added four photos which I uploaded on WP:COMMONS to this page and they were deleted without much explanation. I was referred to WP:NOTGALLERY by an editor but did not see anything explicitly stated there helps me to understand the reason for deletion.
Upon looking at WP:PERTINENCE it would seem to me that the photos fill every requirement. Such as: "Images must be relevant to the article that they appear in and be significantly and directly related to the article's topic. Because the Wikipedia project is in a position to offer multimedia learning to its audience, images are an important part of any article's presentation." As well as, "Images are primarily meant to inform readers by providing visual information."
Thanks in advance. Amerrycan Muslim (talk) 11:16, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good, you should have the background now to jump into this. Can you post the links to the four photos on Wikimedia Commons? Other users (there are ways to get feedback from more than just myself by the way, I can give some links for on-Wiki community forums for soliciting such advice) will want to see them so they can understand the relevance. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Given the headway that has been made with discussing the addition of a works section, that picture seems like a great addition. What about the other images? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:35, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: I would like to add a section about the lineage of Dr Rabee cited from Maktaba Shameela, Brachman, and Meijer as follows:
Lineage: Rabee Al-Madkhalee is from the tribe of Madakhila in Saudi Arabia’s southern area of Jazan, and it is one of the tribes originating from Ibn Yashjab Ibn Qahtan, founder of the famous tribe of Bani Shubail (Source: http://shamela.ws/index.php/author/1547). He was born in 1931 (1352 Hijri) in the village of al-Jaraadiyah, west of Samitah by three kilometers (Brachman, J.M., Global Jihadism: Theory and Practice, pg. 30. London: Routledge, 2008. ) and (Meijer, R., "Politicizing al-jarh wa-l-ta'dil: Rabi b. Hadi al-Madkhali and the transnational battle for religious authority." Taken from The Transmission and Dynamics of the Textual Sources of Islam: Essays in Honor of Harald Motzki, pg. 377. Eds. Nicolet Boekhoff-van der Voort, Kees Versteegh and Joas Wagemakers. Leiden: Brill Publishers, 2011.). Amerrycan Muslim (talk) 21:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a very relevant and well-written suggestion; now, do you think this should fall under biography, or be its own section? Technically there isn't really a set standard, at least that I know of. The article on Suyuti for example has lineage as a subsection, while for Shafi'i it seems to be a standalone section (but poorly sourced). Also, does the original Arabic source here say Ibn Yashjab bin Qahtan? I can't get it to load on my browser, but from what I know, the Madakhila are traced via ----> Ibn Yashjab bin Ya'rab bin Qahtan. I don't remember where I read that exactly but it sticks in my mind clearly and I can't see the shamela link. MezzoMezzo (talk) 18:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lineage section 

message: Should this be in the "current activity"?
After completing his Doctorate at Umm al-Qura in 1980, Madkhali returned to the Islamic University of Madinah where he taught at the Faculty of Hadith and later became the head of the Department of Sunnah in the Department of Higher Studies. He held the chair until his retirement in the mid-1990s.[9]
Since he is listed as retired seems odd to be in this particular section.Amerrycan Muslim (talk) 22:02, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I suppose it does. It isn't current activity but it isn't education either. Can we get enough sources on the subject's career (which is different from the works suggestion you've built above) to make that a separate subsection between current activity and education? MezzoMezzo (talk) 18:21, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

text: For the time being, that might be the best solution. Hopefully in the future, there will be time to find some more info and expand the section on his life. MezzoMezzo (talk) 09:29, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Section? 

message: user:MezzoMezzo, I was wondering what your opinion was on which section this information should go in... Current Activity?
Contemporary Hadith scholar, Nasiruddin Al-Albani regarded Al-Madkhalee to be knowledgeable in the field of hadith, particularly in Al-Jarh wa-l-Ta’dil, mentioning that Madkhali is the, “Flag-bearer of Al-Jarh wa-l-Ta’dil in our era.” Meijer in Politicing Jarh page 380 Amerrycan Muslim (talk) 22:31, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Amerrycan Muslim, taking the entire citation into account makes the suggested line a bit problematic; the very next page of the same book is cited for the line: "Despite this, Madkhali's followers have what is seen by analysts as an obsession with his defense, often claiming praise from these scholars, though such praise is contested by Madkhali's detractors." So the suggested text gives an example of praise which is claimed by the subject's followers and contested by his detractors, according to the same source. Is there a way both pages 380 and 381 can be worked into the same paragraph of the article in a logically consistent fashion? MezzoMezzo (talk) 17:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Awesome, totally awesome. No opposition from my end at this point. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:43, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag bearer quote 

message: An edit by Amerrycan Muslim on 23 March 2014 (diff) introduced the following (with "[4]" as shown):
:He graduated four years later with excellence.[4]
Would someone please work out what [4] refers to (?), and confirm that it verifies the statement, and fix that text in the article. Johnuniq (talk) 03:46, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi user:Johnuniq, that should be with the 4th reference. I will amend it now. Amerrycan Muslim (talk) 20:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ref confusion 

message: An IP wants this edit which adds various assertions, some of which are sourced to youtube. Please see WP:RS because youtube is very rarely reliable for anything because such works are easily manufactured and may be hoaxes, or may have been edited. I have removed "and Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani" regarding acclamations as that has been challenged and its mention seems WP:UNDUE at any rate. Johnuniq (talk) 03:46, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources