Talk:Seton Hall University/Archive 1

message: "A partial explanation for its international renown..." This is not backed up by a source, and is questionable whether or not it is an actual fact. It appears to be more of an opinion than fact.
Go to the school's website.  I'm sure there's plenty of evidence to suggest and justify its "international renown." --Spartacusprime 17:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Whitehead School of Diplomacy and International Relations

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message: More specifically the NCAA tourney. Information about the latest events affecting a sports team of a major university would not be considered unconsequential. 
The article section before my edits:
The school's sports teams are called the Pirates. They participate in the NCAA's Division I and in the Big East Conference. Their basketball team is in the NCAA tournament, or Big Dance, this year (2006).  
And after filling out this year's information:
The school's sports teams are called the Pirates. They participate in the NCAA's Division I and in the Big East Conference. Their basketball team was in the NCAA tournament or Big Dance in 2006, but the 10th seed Pirates were eliminated in a crushing 86-66 first round loss to the 7th seed Wichita State Shockers.
(affected portions in bold)
Considering it was one sentence before and one sentence after, the addition of a clause is not disruptive in any way.
hellenica 00:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: current events, Athletic

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Pirate3.jpg

message: Another editor is very interested in GA or FA.  I've been asked for advice so I'll start to help.  Everything is by consensus in WP and this won't change.
Here's my advice...When ever possible, get a reference.  It is easier now than to hunt for them later.  Make sure you get the references correct.  We need to agree on a format.  I think for a long article the http://msnbc.com/story is not enough.  Maybe try templates.  Let's agree on a style of dates.  2007-12-31 is already in use so let's stick with that.
Let's make sure all photos are free use if possible.  If we need one or two fair use photos, make sure it is legimate use.
I plan to work on one section at a time.  I'm sure there will be areas that I'm not familiar but then I will ask you, the experts.  I also plan to look at the article as a whole and see if it's good.  It's sort of analyzing the forest, not just the individual trees.  We can do it!   My goal is to make the article better but no specific goal (FA or GA) in mind.Congolese fufu (talk) 04:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plan to make the article GA, FA, or just admirable

message: I am shocked to see what seems to be plagiarism.  If I am mistaken, that's good.  See   Seems like word per word, it's the same.  I was re-writing the section when I came across this.  I have removed the information, which I found as I wa finishing re-writing it anyway. Congolese fufu (talk) 04:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please, no plagiarism 

message: Lead
*Is its location relative to Manhattan significant? It doesn't need to be removed, but it just struck me as unusual.
*WP:CONTEXT: It's best not to link years unless there's a date attached to it.
History
*Enable the dates by wikilinking.
*"Ever Forward Campaign" section: virtually every school has regular capital campaigns. I really doubt that this marks a brand new era in Seton Hall's history, at least to the extent that we're sectionizing the school's history based on it.renamed and changed some Rankun (talk) 16:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the campus fire part may be seen as original research.  However, the information can be used as part of the history.  I plan to do things slowly so there can be adequate discussion.  So I fix this part only today and nothing else.  I'll integrate it into the history.Congolese fufu (talk) 23:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article: failed 

message: Ok guys, I guess this is for real now. I noticed that there was a surge in activity on the this SHU article in the past few days. Like many of you, I'm sure, I have been wanting to do a serious overhaul on this page to finally get GA status. I think that if we pull together, this is a very likely possibility. 
I didn't have too much time to deal with this until now, but as you can see, I made some significant edits, revisions and restructuring according the GA guidelines. I even went to the library (as much of a nerd as that makes me) to do some more research and that's were I got some of the PD photos that I just added. In the process, I also looked at many featured education articles and I truly believe that this current revised structure is what we should follow. Of course just like this article is far from finished so are my contributions. But I must take a breather. In the meantime, it would be great to focus on the following areas perhaps:
* We need to create the relevant articles for the missing schools and colleges that don't already have them (I did a few already).
* Citations (needed) throughout)- especially for the history section, I am pretty sure that most of the information came from the Seton Hall University website. Also you might wanna look at the references already used, some info might be from sources already cited. 
* The Seton Hall Pirates really need a separate and expansive article. I came across some history of the Pirates at the library and even got some old photos in the PD that I might use. However, it would be great if someone could start a page for the Pirates.
Throughout editing, I would like to remind everyone of the need to stick to GA guidelines as well as the current footnoting style. Lastly, I want to thank all of you (fellow editors) for taking the initiative on this article. If it wasn't for you guys, I probably wouldn't have sat down finally to do this research and, instead, I probably would just have continued procrastinating. Good luck and I look forward to your edits!  aNubiSIII (T / C) 23:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Second GA Push

message: Im going to be working on pictures after i get back on the 7th(ill take them) and ill make easy digitals before.
Please use this section as basically a request for whatever picture your heart desires.. and for a reference im not quitting until this article is fa.... and will someone get this archiving working
Rankun (talk) 03:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture Unit

message: I sent this to the heads of all of the schools
Just a HEADS UP
This represents over 300 hours of work on our part and wed like to ask for help from the faculty in that we don't completely know the entire story on most of the things and we don't know what websites are available to source and we wholly realize that you may not be able to use wikipedia at an expert level so if you have a source available please just use (source:sourcehere) to source and we will go and fix it. We would love to ask you not to edit in passive voice. You do not need to register with wikipedia. 
Pictures of the paticular subjects are very much appreciated, please email them to xxxxxxxxxx and i will add them where appropriate. The pictures will need to be taken by you and you must agree to release them to the public for any use.(its not my rule its wikipedia's)
The following pages are part of this project
Seton Hall-Main page
*We especially would love for you to add yourselves to the list of notable faculty, that is if you think your of note!
*wed love to be able to add more to the 
    *College of Arts and Sciences
    *College of Education and Human Services
    *School of Graduate Medical Education
    *College of Nursing
    These can be easily changed by clicking the edit button next to them on the page.
    (The reason we dont have as much about this is that the editors are in the whitehead and         Stillman schools respectively, and we just don't know enough, please don't take offense)
The Boland hall fire
The School of Theology
The John C. Whitehead School of Diplomacy and International Relations
The School of Law
The W. Paul Stillman School of Business
List of alumni
We do not have a Separate list of staff, however if enough are to the list we may have reason to. We also don't have enough to add for separate pages for the other schools, however if we get enough information or if you request it and would be willing to supply us with the needed information we will even be willing to meet with you to get the required information.
Thanks again, 
xxxxxxxxxxx
Second semester freshman at the Stillman School
 xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rankun (talk • contribs) 03:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Asking for Faculty help

message: I'm going to let someone else officially review this for GA to avoid personally having undue influence over its fate, but in my opinion, it is still very far from ready for GA status. There is still no discussion of academics generally, it is still not properly wikified (dates, specifically) or thoroughly cited, there is still a  tag, and I see capitalization, formatting, and usage errors rampant. It still needs a lot of work. Dylan (talk) 09:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. And, that's why I quick failed the article. I will give my rationale later at User:Miranda/Seton Hall University, after I tackle UFl. And, I do not understand why this article would be nominated for GA at the same time as FA? I have compared the difs from the last FA, and little progress has been made. miranda 13:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Review: More than 50% of this article is unsourced. Cites are not according to WP:CITE. People (i.e. famous alumni - needs to be cited per BLP). This section needs to be formated differently per MOS, grammar issues (I have fixed a few), no academics section, and templates do not need to substitute paragraphs (as seen with this section. miranda 18:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the new GA nomination 

message: Can we find a reference to where "hall" came from.  Why not Seton University? Congolese fufu (talk) 03:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive oft wondered the same.  I'll see if I cant ask around to get some leads. Mystache (talk) 15:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: origin of name?

message: Just reported on Fox News?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xation (talk • contribs) 03:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shooting 

message: Anyone have a cite on blue and grey being official school colors?  I know in the fight song theyre said to be blue and white. Mystache (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colors 

message: Im going to add dj amlan... hes pretty famous and goes to school at shu...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rankun (talk • contribs) 16:24, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dj Amlan 

message: :1. Well written?: There could be more on the structure. 
:2. Factually accurate?: Using the link checker and checking several of the sources, it seems to be well verified. 
:3. Broad in coverage?: Yes. 
:4. Neutral point of view?: No qualms about this. 
:5. Article stability? Of course. 
:6. Images?: Probably the strongest point. 
:Overall: 
Nicely done. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 22:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: I was surprised to see no reference to John DeFrancis—arguably America's greatest living sinologist (now in his 98th year).  Many of his pathbreaking texts in Chinese language studies were published while he was at SHU.  Could someone please research the details & include him in this article? --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 12:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I haven't got access to the resources necessary to document his time at SHU.  I can, however, tell you that his series Beginning Chinese,  Intermediate Chinese and  Advanced Chinese were written in the 1960s while he was at SHU.  They are dedicated to John B. Tsu, Director of the Inst. of Far Eastern Studies, SHU, "without whose initiative and support these books would never have been written".  The series "was developed pursuant to a contract between the US Office of Education and Seton Hall University".  I hope that's enough to get you started! --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 21:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  John DeFrancis 

message: I don't think this should be categorized under the academic units, as it gets far less attention compared to the other academic entities; in addition, the section below refers to the Whitehead School as the eighth and LATEST unit of the University.  I don't want to remove it from the article, because it is relevant, but I think it should be placed elsewhere in the article. Spartacusprime (talk) 19:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seton WorldWide 

message: I'm going to remove the section, as I think we can see it hasn't played any long-term significance to the university. Mystache (talk) 18:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xavier Hall Incident 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:SetonHallPirates.png

message: Would this be a better photo to use?  If so, who has copyright control?Russojar (talk) 22:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presidents Hall Photo 

message: A discussion regarding logo removal/inclusion that occurred during a recent edit to this article is ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities#Logo as identifying marks in infoboxes. CrazyPaco (talk) 20:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: infobox logo removal/inclusion 

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replies: text: In the 2020 Edition of The Princeton Review’s “The Best 385 Colleges” published in August, Seton Hall University was ranked third in one of the most undesirable categories. 
Why does this vague sentence need to be in the lede? The lede is intended to summarize the entire article about the history, organization, funding, accomplishments, and challenges of this complex institution that is over 160 years old. What about this one, specific ranking (that you fail to even specify; instead, you just say it's an "undesirable category") is so important that it's one of the most essential things that all readers must know about immediately when they begin reading this article?  And why are you edit warring with multiple editors to add this instead of discussing the issue here in Talk? ElKevbo (talk) 21:00, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified