Talk:Diplom

message: For a June 2005 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Diplom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonP (talk • contribs) 19:46, 18 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 2005 deletion debate

message: That's wrong, it wasn't transwikied. -- Amtiss, SNAFU ? 21:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transwiki

message: I'd suggest, before this turns into an edit war, that both parties stop and discuss things a little further on the talk page before making edits to the article. Be aware of the three-revert rule, but also be aware that 3 reverts are not an entitlement and the purpose of the rule is to prevent back-and-forth editing. I think both parties could stand to back off and be a little more civil with each other. I'd suggest proposing concrete, sample changes to the article here, on the talk page, and going through them to try and reach consensus. If that proves impossible, I'd suggest a third opinion or a request for outside comments on the issue; such steps are outlined in the dispute resolution policy. If things degenerate into further name-calling and edit-warring, then sanctions are likely to be applied indiscriminately, to the detriment of the article. MastCell Talk 15:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: MastCell is completely correct on this and I also strongly suggest that both parties should refrain from further editing of this article. Edit wars which turn uncivil are simply counterproductive to the principles of Wikipedia.
In terms of the issue itself, I read through the arguments on both sides and I find that this is somewhat of a controversial issue. Simply put, it is difficult to compare degrees across countries when the systems are so different. I’m sure that both parties would agree. In order to clean things up a bit, I reverted the article to its original form before the edit war began and either part made any changes. I removed the most recent edits by Sacrumi because the wording appears kind of off and it isn’t exactly clear. It’s also best to stay away from statements like “for more information, see…” I did, however, leave in the references provided by both parties. I hope that both InfoAgent  and Sacrumi  can agree to these changes in good faith.
Again, I strongly advise both parties not to edit this article until consensus has been reached. In addition, BOTH parties should remember their civility when addressing each other on talk pages. Appropriate measures which can be taken are starting a RfC and, subsequently, moving towards a request for mediation if the RfC proves futile.  aNubiSIII (T / C) 20:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Opinion 

message: I have linked the articles Bachelor/Master in this article. The articles Bachelor and Master contain already a comparison of the degrees, so I see no point in doing it here again. I really see no point in comparing degrees in time, because if you want to do this, you have to consider the whole educational "lifecycle" (primary school, secondary school, university...). For example, students from Germany/Europe learn already subjects in school which in US are taught at colleges/school (might be that European students generally attend school longer). In university they only focus on one subject and do no general studies any more. In US students do two year of general studies and only two years where they focus on one subject. I really don't know how you want to compare this and what the point of that is. Maybe someone can explain that. I think the article should also mention that it is only about regular study time. In some disciplines in Germany (Engineering, Computer Science, Science...) the students usually need longer to obtain their degrees, because the level is very high. That is the same in other countries. Sacrumi 05:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article update 

message: that in the U.S., Diploma Studies like in Germany are introduced because it seems that the Bachelor/Master system has too many disadvantages...; is that correct? I couldnt find anything in the Web, but i`ld like to verify this.
(I live and study in Germany, and here, lots of People don´t like the Bachelor/Master System which is introduced because of the "Bologna Process")
--89.49.130.103 (talk) 16:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Abstract: It is impossible to prove that something does not exist by absence of proof. So you need a lemma for that and Ockham's razor does just that. Back to the topic: The whole point of the Bologna process was to unify those different systems. It does not make any sense for the US to go the other way. So, dislike the BA/MS system as much as you like, it is here to stay. I know it sucks for people caught in the transition period, but after that it only has advantages Tierlieb (talk) 20:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  In Germany people talk a lot. Most do not respect that high school is one year longer in Germany, than in the US. This is why a US Bachelor's is 4 years while a German Bachelor's is about 3 years. So some ppl say that in the US a BS/MS accelerated program is only 5 years (similar to the Diplom) but in fact that would be more like 4 years when considering the shorter High School. Another advantage is that the Diplom guarantees you have a full curriculum of a high-level University, excluding you used credits from some easy low-level college (Fachhochschule, FH). It's more like a quality seal than an advantage. The BS/MS degrees do not guarantee this anymore, you can attend a FH for your BS and then easily transfer to a high-level University to earn your MS (There is no strict selection process for this transfer yet). Jfs718 --138.246.7.137 (talk) 12:37, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Germany, it is said... 

message: The swedish naric, the högskoleverket definitely compare the German Diplom as a Licentiate Degree, corresponding to a Bachelor. Neither the U.K. nor the Republic of Ireland has joint Qrossroads http://www.qrossroads.eu/about-qrossroads/partners and it counts what the University of Aberystwyth is leaking out namely that in the U.K. the German/Austrian Diplom corresponds to a Bachelor. The assessment process in the U.K. involves a fee and the details are dependent upon individual cases. But the rules of thumb are given on that website!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.136.141.172 (talk) 12:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  German Qualifications 

message: I removed the claim by the IP 77.4.200.128 that the Diplom(BA) is in Germany equated to the Diplom(FH). Apart from that I'm not sure if it is relevant, it is certainly wrong if stated that generally. What is correct is that public employers usually (but this might differ between German states) equate these two kind of diploma in terms of qualification and salary. But I strongly doubt that every private employer does this. And clearly, both diploma are very different. After all, the Diplom(FH) is an academic degree, the Diplom(BA) is not. Furher, the Diplom(FH) is a 4-year degree, usually involving one internship of some months. The programme to achieve a Diplom(BA) takes only 3 years, and, as far as I know, consists to almost 50% of internships. This certainly cannot be compared in general. 89.126.37.67 (talk) 03:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diplom(BA) and Diplom(FH) 

message: Stop deleting the entries for Norway. You are not the Norwegian authority who does the decisions and the Norwegian statistical office has no claims whatsoever to recognise degrees. Do not involve yourself into the decisions of other nations. The same in Sweden, where the Diplom is tantamount to a Bachelor degree according to the högskoleveverket and again it is the Swedish authorities who make these decisions and not you.
As a stakeholder, I have dealt with these authorities and you have not. So leave the editing to competent contributors.
-- I think we should include the evaluation by the Norwegian statistical office. It may well be that it has no authority to recognise degrees, however, there is no other proper evaluation by a Norwegian office or institute. Or at least we have no source at the moment. (NOKUT apparently doesn't evaluate the German Diplom and just states that the system is 'confusing'.) I agree, though, that we also should keep the NOKUT source in. Regards, 137.43.122.118 (talk) 18:59, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOKUT 

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message: Shouldn't the 9 year old more footnotes marker be removed, given the current state?--Nomentz (talk) 10:13, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  more footnotes