Talk:Bono/Archive 1

message: As the leader of the "Drop the Debt" Campaign, Bono has been strongly criticised in asking the top twenty-five wealthiest countries to write off the debts owed by the poorest countries. Critics claim that this amounts to asking the public to pay for the debt, even though orthodox economic theory would suggest that it would (in the long run) make both developed and developing nations better off.
This italicized clause smells bunk to me.  I'm taking it out unless someone can cite this "economic theory." 68.107.83.19 02:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "orthodox economic theory" 

message: Why is this section called "social justice?" Call it what it is: socialism. Calling it "social justice" is biased because it assumes that wealth redistribution is just and that in order to have a just society, everyone must have equal wealth. These are socialist principles and should be labeled as such. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 158.135.1.92 (talk • contribs) .
: I would suggest a careful study of the topic of Social justice, both here on Wikipedia and through other sources before trying to demonize it by lumping it in with either Communism or Socialism.  The Bill of Rights of our own Constitution is made up of many social justice ideals, including freedom of thought, liberty of conscience, political liberties (e.g. representative democratic institutions, freedom of speech and the press, and freedom of assembly), freedom of association, freedoms necessary for the liberty and integrity of the person (viz: freedom from slavery, freedom of movement and a reasonable degree of freedom to choose one's occupation); and rights and liberties covered by the rule of law.
:JesseG 09:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social Justice 

message: *In 2005 he was one of 166 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work on Third World debt relief and increasing AIDS awareness.
Being nominated for the Peace Prize is an honor, but it is not official and not necessarily prestigious. Any national legislator or about a third of the university professors in the world can make a nomination, and there have been as many as 140 some years. Nominators are requested to keep their nominations secret, so it's only those wishing publicity who make announcements. Altogether, I see no reason to keep it. No offense to the subject, this is a general Nobel Peace Prize "nominees" issue. -Willmcw 07:36, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
:I agree.  Removed.  Palefire 02:05, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Am I alone in finding this article ridiculously underfocused on Bono's musical career?? Dexter, 06:21, July 9, 2005 (GMT)
:I agree. More information needs to be included such as the fact that he was nominated as one of MTV's 22 Greatest Voices in Music. AmritTuladhar
Since we've decided to take out the Nobel nominations (I know he's been nominated more than once...I remember that he was on the list back the Elevation days, too), what's the verdict on his being (one of) TIME Magazine's Person of the Year 2005? It makes more since to include that than the Nobel nomination, since he actually GOT the award, but not if the goal is to try to move the focus of the article to his music career...--AaronM 15:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we could put that Bono was "considered" for the Nobel Prize, since we've got plenty of sources for that. That does not deserve more than a line or two in the "Social Justice" section, though. The goal IS tomove the focus to his musical career, but I guess we shoud do that by ADDING more info about his work with U2. :) --Kristbg 16:49, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nobel Peace Prize nomination 

message: The line about Bono being "lifelong" friends with Billy Corgan seems unlikely.  Bono grew up in Ireland; Billy in Chicago. More than a decade separates the time when they first achieved fame. Also, I doubt that Billy is actually one of Bono's top two favorite musicians. Bono says that kind of thing about quite a few musicians. For example, in a recent book of interviews with a French journalist, he says something to the effect that Bob Dylan's work is important to him than anyone else's.
:This makes no sense. Even if it was true, which I doubt, it it irrelevant and should not take that much space in the article. I removed it. --Kristbg 14:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billy Corgan 

message: Bono and U2 didn't happen upon their activism, as mentioned in the Social Justice section of this article, in the 90's.  I attended U2 concerts in the mid 80's where they mentioned Unicef and encouraged their fans to become involved in the organization on behalf of poor children.  Unicef should be mentioned and linked.  Thanks.
This article moves from showing up at the audition for U2 to 1999 and debt reduction.  I think it skips a year or two. Tuf-Kat 07:05, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)
This article is a real mess as it is... As said before, there's little about his musical career, there are sentences thrown around, out of context... I think it should be cleaned up. Maybe take out a few of the irrelevant quotes, rearrange some information (like the sections on Bioware and the World Bank), and put some more info on the years between 1980 and 2001 (there's too much stuff from 2005!).
--Kristbg 00:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a to do list to this page. Hope it'll help a little! --Kristbg 13:59, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Being a stickler for grammar, the subsection should be "quotations" instead of "quotes." Also, as far as the quotations themselves go, Bono has some way better ones than that. I plan on adding a few...--AaronM 00:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Quotations" 

message: I moved this out of the article space.  Even with the POV-check tag, it is just too intensely POV to stay in the article space.
===Egotism===

Joyous | Talk 04:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know what to do with that, so I added the POV tag. It clearly is not vandalism because there are some thought-out points made; it just is not presented in an unbiased manner. joturner 04:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Since the article text the POV check is being requested for is no longer in the article, I've converted the template into a template link so this talk page does not appear on the POV check list.  Good luck -- ShinmaWa(talk) 20:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  moved section on"egotism" 

message: 
Joyous | Talk 04:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know what to do with that, so I added the POV tag. It clearly is not vandalism because there are some thought-out points made; it just is not presented in an unbiased manner. joturner 04:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Since the article text the POV check is being requested for is no longer in the article, I've converted the template into a template link so this talk page does not appear on the POV check list.  Good luck -- ShinmaWa(talk) 20:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Egotism

message: Is this section usefull?  Even as a wikipedian I don't care... --T-rex 00:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bono and Wikipedia?

message: I searched the google and I didn´t find a single reference about is position about gay marriage. Can the person who add this, show a source for this point ? User:Mistico
:What? Why? Surely it's only important if he's expressed an opinion on it. I guess you're welcome to add an entry saying "Bono has expressed no favouritism for either position on gay rights/marriage.", but it'll probably be deleted quite quickly. Nasajin 20:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bono and Gay Rights

message: I've removed the line about him being nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. According to the page on the Nobel Prize, "[u]nlike many other awards, the Nobel Prize nominees are never publicly announced, and they are not supposed to be told that they were ever considered for the prize. These records are sealed for 50 years." 204.40.1.129 19:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nobel Peace Prize

message: "In May 2006, Bono became Editor of The Independent newspaper - albeit for one day in aid of the (RED) charity"
What is RED and why is it in parenthesis? -Jeff
Maybe thats the way its spelt? i dont know,looks weird. Lord revan 16:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RED?? 

message: I nominated this article on Wikipedia:Article Improvement Drive. This one sure needs some group effort. Please go there and vote for it if you agree! --Kristbg 14:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Improvement Drive 

message: Someone should mention his eye disorder, where he if he isnt wearing incredibly flamboyant sunglasses, he'll explode into a million bad records.
:What it is is that if he is flash photographed without glasses his eyesight is temporarily affected and his eyes swell up badly. Given that due to his fame he is liable at any minute to be suddenly photographed by someone, whether a professional photographer or a member of the public, he needs to wear the glasses all the time for protection. (As someone with an eye disorder I can understand his concern. Luckily I don't get photographed that often. But when photographed I have to wear dark glasses if possible.)FearÉIREANN\(caint) 23:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On a related note, what kind of sunglasses are they?  Does he have a specific brand he endorses? I'm curious.--MythicFox 11:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't tell you the brand, but I can tell you they're not sunglasses. They're just regular ones, as you can see on Bono's page. I'm skeptical about his eye condition, as glasses such as the ones he wears focusses flash lights onto the rods and cones at the rear of his eyes. Furthermore, there are heaps of early videos of him performing without the glasses - if he didn't always have the condition, when did he get it and why? Any references? Nasajin 20:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I definitely read an article about him saying he needed these glasses for the reasons mentioned with the eyes swelling (I'll look for a source). Also, he wears Armani glasses. http://www.unitedshades.com/product.asp?idmodel=ea9285 Phillies26 01:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bono's eye disease 

message: Who on earth moved the page unilaterally to Paul David Hewson. No-one calls him that, not even his family. Wikipedia's rules are laid out clearly under the Manual of Style. We use the Most Common Name of a person, i.e., the name they are most widely known by. That is Bono. Even if there was a justifiable reason for moving him (and there is none, not least our own rules on names) there is a formal procedure for moving articles, whereby a move is formally requested, advertised and voted on. It is not done on one person's whim. I've moved him to Bono (U2), which covers the fact that he is a singer, a songwriter, a composer, a guitarist and a campaigner. Using U2 is the clearest disambiguation reference and the one most people will recognise, because it is unique. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 23:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahhh what a hypocrite you state the rules for a change and then you yourself change it without complying to the rules. I may not have complyed to the rules but at least I dont use it in my argument and go do it. Sonny Bono, Steve Bono, Edward De Bono all deserve to be recognized as BONO... Its not even his real name for christ sake. He messed up the hole pernunciation. --Bonojohn 23:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Crap. You moved the article unilaterally. Admins often move back a page moved unilaterally without going through RM. That is how unilateral changes are fixed. As there was now a problem returning to the original page name, a variant on the issue had to be used. Grow up and stop acting the ass. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 03:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Do us all a favor, Bonojohn... Lighten the fuck up, will ya please? Face it, changing it to his real name was a bad move on your part. Anything beyond that (e.g. which parenthetical to place after his name) is open to debate. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone a hypocrite (or wrong). That's what these talk pages are for. Civilized debate. And on such a major page as this, there should definitely be discussion before the page is moved. --Juansmith 06:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I showed you what you did wrong when you showed me what I should have done diffrently. I then told you how you made the same mistake, yes hypocrite was a strong word but it was a comparison. Maby you should "lighten up" I mean no one swore. I told you my reasons for the change and thats it. --Bonojohn 07:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you didn't read the signatures too carefully, but at no point have you pointed out anything that I did wrong. As for the swearing, grow up, little man. A phrase like "lighten the fuck up" is said with the utmost calm. In fact, it's rather like its counterpart, "Calm the fuck down". Either phrase is meant to be the catalyst for some meaningful introspection, and perhaps a bit of the kicking back with a cold beverage and realizing that none of it really matters that much as long as we're all contributing something meaningful. This post is a perfect example. If at any point you feel that educating someone on the internet about basic matters of etiquette would be a worthwhile or otherwise fruitful venture, it's either time to go to sleep, or time to remove the pole from your rectum. I shall do one of the above post haste. Cheers. -Juansmith 08:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Hey man, all I was saying is that you got way to into it with the swearing. Its a simple conversation, no need for the fucks. This is quite stupid so lets just let it be, whats done is done. --Bonojohn 17:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who on earth . . . ?

message: It would make sense if Bono spoke French, owning a villa on the French Riviera. I honestly don't know if he speaks Italian. However, I've heard Bono speak Spanish, and believe you me, he is not fluent in it.  I think those languages he "reportedly" speaks should be looked into, if not removed.  Enakarasuma 23:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages 

message: This article is a frequent target for vandalism... a look at the history shows that. Shouldn't we put a  template here? --170.66.1.155 12:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Got a plane to fly around the world?  Absolutely disgraceful.  They should have walked like everyone else does. Scandalous. 86.7.208.240 00:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "mouthfull of words?" shows you do not know anything about his campaigning, and thus are not in a position to contribute. Do some research - then come back when you know something. --Merbabu 03:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  protected template? 

message: I removed the line about Conor Lenihan criticizing Bono since there appears to be no evidence for it. The only mentions in Google on blogs, etc, refer back to this article as evidence. The following Google search - "conor lenihan" bono  (half-way| halfway) (tax | taxes) -wikipedia - produced 4 hits, none of which allude to such a remark.
--Paul Moloney 12:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conor Lenihan's remark removed 

message: The trivia sections have been removed. Trivia sections are really only for info that doesn't fit into the article. And if it is interesting, but not important, then sorry, it doesn't belong. THe test is importance, not interest. Trivia = unimportant. I will incorporate what should go into the article, and remove the rest
For more detail see: Wikipedia:Avoid_trivia_sections_in_articles
thanks --Merbabu 11:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Assume good faith Merbabu, your not the sole decider of what come on to this article, leave the trivia and your beieifs alone, Thank youChildishknack 13:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As you will have noticed, I have removed the unimportant content, and the unsourced, and I have incorporated the useful (ie, notable and referenceable) content into the body of the article. We need to remember that these are intended to be encyclopedia entries, not pop mags.--Merbabu 13:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Sorry but is Bono's eldest son really named Elijah Bob Patricius Guggi Q? I suspect vandalism here, but I can't be sure as I'm not familiar with this celebrity's personal life. Rosa 14:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if you look it up, it's true. Yanksox 14:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what's in a name...lol...indeed 

message: I have switched the section titled "Criticism" to be a subsection of humanitarian work.  Why?  Well to me it's quite simple - all of the criticism, and there is tons of it for some reason, has to do with his humanitarian work.  It has nothing to do with the band or anything else.  When reading the 'criticism' section almost everything seems to be criticizing and rebuking 'humanitarian work.'  Therefore it's a subsection.  Questions/comments?  Chupper 05:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems OK --Merbabu 05:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making criticism a subsection