Talk:Nez Perce

message: :On second thought, this should probably be done after the article grows a bit larger. --ROY YOЯ 1 July 2005 21:11 (UTC)
Well, an anonymous simply blanked the entire language section. I recovered it and made a new article Nez Percé language out of it, now linked to from this page. --Angr/ 00:58, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The correct spelling of this Tribe is without the accent. I have tried discussing this with several editors and they have changed every one of the titles and occurrences of the tribal name.
A name is a name. You may use the accent to describe the French term for the origin of the tribal name, but the tribe itself spells it with the Americanized name. Robbie Giles 22:07, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree...the U.S. Government doesn't spell it that way and the tribal members do not want the name accented.--MONGO 13:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Accordingly, I'm reverting the section change I made.Dogru144 (talk) 18:59, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of the tribal name 

message: Because the most important thing about the tribe may not be the controversy about spelling its name, I moved that part out of the introduction to a section near the end.   Unfortunately the images now seem to be clumsily organized around the list of communities. Hmmm. What to do?
rewinn 04:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving name stuff to end

message: The term Nez Percé is noted on the List of ethnic slurs.  Is this because of the term itself used by the French explorers, or the perceived misspelling due to the accent? Is this term really perceived by this group of Native Americans as an ethnic slur? Applejuicefool 17:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alas, Loewen does not cite a source for his one sentence on the Nez Perce. I'm skeptical that information from his text, and the citation belong in the article. JStripes 13:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Loewen is the source.  We do not in turn have to verify his.  We need to cite sources.  Not the sources of sources.  WP's policy is attribution, not verifiability. Nightscream 07:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derogatory? 

message: Referencing this discussion, would it make sense to add a sentence to the intro so that it goes something like this?: 
The Nez Perce  (pronounced ) are a tribe of Native Americans who inhabited the Pacific Northwest region of the United States at the time of the Lewis and Clark Expedition. The Nez Perce's name for themselves is Ni-Mii-Puu (pronounced nee-mee-poo), which means simply "the People." (The name is also spelled inaccurately as Nez Percé (pronounced  as in French). See: Name and language.) 
It's kind of a clunky solution--better suggestions are welcome. Or does the explanation in the name and language section suffice? Also, the sentence: "'Nez Perce' is the spelling of the tribe's name preferred by the overwhelming majority of the tribe's members and historians; however, many older works use the French spelling 'Nez Percé,' with the diacritic." needs a citation. I'm not disputing it, but when somebody claims an "overwhelming majority" of people agree about something, it really needs to be backed up with a source. Katr67 21:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about this? "Nez Perce is the spelling of the tribe's name used by the tribal government and contemporary historians; however, many older works use the French spelling Nez Percé, with the diacritic." The sources can be from the Handbook of North American Indians (v.12) and the official tribal site. I will copy the Nez Perce article from the handbook today for a specific reference. I will find a scholarly source that uses the diacritic as well. One of the US Gov docs may be applicable (such as Lewis & Clark reports to Congress.) --Robbie Giles 13:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling and pronunciation in intro 

message: I changed the intro a bit, as it made it sound like the Nez Perce only existed during Lewis & Clark's time. What I wanted to add was that they had lived there X amount of years before L & C showed up. Can anybody add that figure and a source? Thanks! Katr67 04:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a time period of 10,000 years. I tried, rather unsuccessfully, to add a reference. The number of the footnote shows, but the Notes section and citation of the footnote is not visible.  I even changed the References section to Bibliography in case that was interfering.Can some kind soul find my error? --Robbie Giles 18:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Well duh! Put in the Notes section and it works. What directions? a very humble --Robbie Giles 01:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad y'all figured it out. :) Thanks for the quick response to my request! Katr67 02:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: The name Nez Perce was actually an accident. Apparently a french explorer saw a Native American in the fields and saw a nose ring. Therefore the area around there was known (back then) to be inhabited by "Nez Perce", and the name stuck I guess. Are any mods open to changing this once I find proof? - --Fruzion 01:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There aren't any mods here--if you can cite your sources properly you're welcome to add this information yourself (though you should leave the other theories in place). I'm rather skeptical about the accuracy of textbooks, personally, can you find addtional sources for this theory? Katr67 03:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name was accident...

message: The side chart at the top says the Nez Perce population is 2,000, but the text says 17,000 people live on the reservation. Can anyone reconcile the population figures?Spoonkymonkey (talk) 23:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have time to check right now, but this article gets a lot of vandalism. Could it be because of that? Katr67 (talk) 23:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2010 figure from the US govt. is about 3,499 (there are 12 "foreign-born" that are unclear to me) Nez Perce. I don't know about the reservation. Kdammers (talk) 05:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Question re: population

message: This isn't proven or even, frankly, very likely. The reference doesn't show it to be true. It's just a claim. 76.28.103.69 (talk)Will in New Haven03:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: From a logical standpoint, the statement that "They are descended from the first humans to come to the Americas, more than 10,000 years ago" actually does sound likely. How else did they come into being? Now, the objection that the statement "They are descended from the first humans to come to the Americas, more than 10,000 years ago" may be completely meaningless is accurate, as current anthropological literature states we all came from Africa.
Or..., is your objection to the "10,000 year" figure? If so, then there will be a conflict between science and religion. Svyatoslav (talk) 07:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Numerous sites and artifacts in the Americas are carbon dated far earlier than 10,000 years. Even Clovis sites are 13,000 years old. -Uyvsdi (talk) 07:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  They are descended from the first humans to come to the Americas, more than 10,000 years ago.[1] 

message: added legend of their origins and first contact. any problems? KiNgFrOmHeLl (talk) 21:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  history 

message: Per WP:NCP and WP:NCLANG, we don't generally promote either a people or their language over the other as primary topic. (For example, there are [were] links to "the Nez Perce word X", which should not link to an article on the people, but to the language.) Peoples generally go at "X people" or "Xs". In this case, however, "tribe" might be more appropriate. Is it generally accepted that the Nez Perce are a tribe of the Sahaptin people? That's my impression, and what we say at Sahaptin people. — kwami (talk) 18:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  articles name 

message: thumb|US Army Sgt. Jeff Jackson, great-great-grandson ofNez Perce warrior Yellow Wolf
I'm going to remove this photograph of Sgt. Jeff Jackson, identified in the caption as a "great-great-grandson of Nez Perce warrior Yellow Wolf", from the article. Aside from the fact that no verifiable source is cited to support that identification, Sgt. Jackson is not listed in this article among the Notable Nez Perce, nor is he sufficiently notable to have his own Wikipedia article. Having his photograph in this article therefore is no more justifiable than having a photograph of a non-notable great-great-grandson of Martin Van Buren in the article on Dutch Americans; it adds nothing of value to this article.
Being descended from a notable person doesn't by itself make a person notable. If, on the other hand, Sgt. Jeff Jackson has accomplished something that would merit his addition to the list of Notable Nez Perce and the creation of a separate WP article about him, with sufficiently reliable and verifiable sources to establish his notability, by all means let that be done. Then—and only then—it would be entirely appropriate to restore his photograph to this article, with a link to the article about him for those who want further information.--Jim10701 (talk) 13:57, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of Sgt. Jeff Jackson 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Contemporary diary about the surveying & dividing of the reservation written by the ethnologist Alice C. Fletcher: Dividing the Reservation: Alice C. Fletcher's Nez Perce Allotment Diaries and Letters, 1889-1892 edited by Nicole Tonkovich, 2016, Washington State University Press. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 18:28, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book about the surveying & dividing of the reservation 

message: This section is called enemies and allies, but is actually just a list of neighbors which doesn't seem to describe the relationships between these groups - it should probably be renamed. There is also way too much parenthetical here, making it very difficult to read; including the traditional names is good, but the translations are unnecessary and not relevant for this section. There are also several different transliterations of traditional names included in parenthesis, which is more detail than is needed here; one transliteration should be chosen in order to reduce the signal to noise ratio. 198.160.139.1 (talk) 20:10, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.I recently used it for a project, and it was impossible to read 216.20.155.106 (talk) 21:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enemies and Allies section is messy