Talk:Hurricane Alice (December 1954)

message: This was suggested for a Portal:Tropical cyclones featured article.  However there's not very much info about it at all.  Can we find any more interesting information to add here? I don't really have any suggestions however. Jdorje 06:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a couple of ideas, but none of them are imperative. First, we could mention how rare December and January storms are, saying there have only been 8 storms forming in December in history, and that 4 storms reached hurricane intensity during December. Likewise, you could say Alice was the only tropical storm during the month of January, though a subtropical storm formed in 1978. Also, you could mention that elsewhere in the world trans-calendar year storms aren't as rare. For example, there have been 6 in the WPAC in the last 60 years, and because our winter is their summer, the Southern Hemisphere has had 11 since 1996. That might be relevant to the article, but I can't think of anything to add to this. Hurricanehink 14:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Even in the Southern Hemisphere, December is basically equal to our June, so it is far from the peak of the season there. CrazyC83 18:26, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What more is there? 

message: "This information was often sketchy; two cyclones, including a Category 2 hurricane, went undetected in 1954." If they went undetected, how do we know they existed? Clarify please. --Golbez 04:27, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were undetected operationally, but in post-analysis ship reports confirmed a tropical cyclone. Hurricanehink 06:15, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: Ummm.. the storm history says "The NHC started advisories..." however National Hurricane Center says the NHC was not formed until 1967...--Nilfanion (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea. Question though, if the NHC began in 1967, then how could the NHC have summaries back to 1958? Also, who would decide on the naming of the storm before the NHC? Hurricanehink (talk) 02:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I looked at a random example - Debra (1963). The report is by "Department of Commerce: Weather Bureau" - and according to the NOAA FAQ they were the people who named.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, that looks good. That should be in there, if anything. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is pre-NHC.... 

message: In your first sentense you say Hurricane Alice "was the only hurricane in the history of the Atlantic basin known to span two calendar years". But, as you later mention, is'nt Tropical Storm Zeta another one? Zeta also formed in the Atlanic Basin. 68.112.238.11 17:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tropical Storm Zeta did not reach hurricane strength so while both storms have existed in 2 years, only Alice was a hurricane in 2 years as Zeta was only a tropical storm (ie weaker).--Nilfanion (talk) 17:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The only? 

message: Someone incorrectly stated that $100,000 in 1954-55 was worth $6.9 million in 2005!  While inflation has indeed been horrible, things haven't been that terrifying.  Looking up the consumer price index for the years in question, it seems that things cost 6.85 times what they did then (1954 = 80.5; 2005 = 552; measured in 1967 dollars), so I've corrected the present value to $690,000. 
Whether the CPI overstates inflation is, of course, another matter!
Heian-794 18:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, that's my fault. I used the deflation calculator, and I thought there was one more decimal place than there actually was. That day I added a lot of money values, and most were at least 1 million. Good catch. Hurricanehink (talk) 23:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consumer price index in 1954-55 

message: There are just a few small things that need to be fixed.  I am testing out a new, more formal review system, and I would appreciate it if you could tell me what you think about it.  Anyways, here is my review summary, section-by-section:
==== Infobox ====
Overall quality (prose, formatting, etc): Excellent
*No problems.
==== Lead ====
Overall quality: Excellent
*Summarizes the article well, no problems.
==== Storm history ====
Overall quality: Excellent
*No problems.
==== Impact, Naming, and Records ====
Overall quality: Very good
*"the U.S. Weather Bureau Office in San Juan, Puerto Rico warned the islands of the northern Lesser Antilles for strong winds and rough seas" should be "the U.S. Weather Bureau Office in San Juan, Puerto Rico warned the islands of the northern Lesser Antilles to prepare for strong winds and rough seas", in my opinion, as the former sentence above seems awkward somehow.
*"Alice was the latest tropical cyclone ever to form in the Atlantic".  At first, I thought that "latest" meant the most recent hurricane to form, but I quickly corrected myself.  Perhaps you could reword this so that people know that this means "latest in a hurricane season", rather than "most recent hurricane".  I realize that this sounds silly, considering that the hurricane formed in 1954, but if had that thought, who else might?
==== See also ====
Overall quality: Excellent
*No problems.
==== Footnotes ====
Overall quality: Very good
*Shouldn't this section be called "References", following such articles as Hurricane Katrina and others?
*Can you add the "format" parameter to references 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6, with either "PDF" or "TXT" in the field?
*Reference number three refused to display for me on both IE and Firefox, citing cookie problems.  All I had to do was remove "?cookieSet=1" from the end of the link and the page displayed properly.
That should be it.  When these changes are made, I'll pass the article for GA...you know the spiel.  Happy editing, Green451 18:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA on hold 

message: Overall quality: Very good
*Shouldn't this section be called "References", following such articles as Hurricane Katrina and others?
*Can you add the "format" parameter to references 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6, with either "PDF" or "TXT" in the field?
*Reference number three refused to display for me on both IE and Firefox, citing cookie problems.  All I had to do was remove "?cookieSet=1" from the end of the link and the page displayed properly.
That should be it.  When these changes are made, I'll pass the article for GA...you know the spiel.  Happy editing, Green451 18:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes 

message: Thanks for making the changes.  There were a few other minor things I spotted, so I just fixed them myself.  Congrats, Green451 02:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why the article is still ranked at start class?Storm05 18:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA passed 

message: As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2006. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 21:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps Review: Pass

message: The article previously stated that the hurricane was in two hurricane seasons - this is incorrect. If there was a defined breakpoint between hurricane seasons (and there isn't), it would be sometime in March. So, while Alice did last into 1955, it did not make it to the 1955 hurricane season. Same is true of Zeta. Ego White Tray (talk) 14:58, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: By definition, Alice wasn't in any hurricane season, since it formed outside of the boundaries that the NHC has set (June to November). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  16:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two calendar years vs hurricane seasons 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Oppose not clear cut enough, given Alice 54 actually impacted land and 79 version was a typhoon that probably should have an article. YE Pacific Hurricane 20:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey