Talk:Shoulder angel

message: How far back does the angel-on-one-shoulder, devil-on-the-other image go? Did it originate in a political cartoon or something? A TV show? 67.10.175.242 19:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How far back does the angel-on-one-shoulder

message: I was always under the impression that they were derived from Christian morality plays from medieval Europe - most notably Marlowe's Tragical History of Doctor Faustus.XSox 20:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Faust

message: i always thought that the angel and devil always had a specific side?
angel on the left devil on the right? or visa verse anyone know?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.63.24.178 (talk) 21:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The devil is more often on the left, but I wouldn't say "always". —Tamfang (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that the person or the viewer's left/right. I would expect the angel to be on the viewer's left/person's right myself. Johnbod (talk) 16:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, in the context of shoulders it didn't occur to me to think of someone else's viewpoint. —Tamfang (talk) 20:10, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  sides??? 

message: If the origin is quite specific, then how come cartoons commonly portray something contrary ? 
This sounds to me like clutching at straws to find a link. Isn't it possible that the Islamic
belief mentioned is just something similar ? I speculate; so does the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.123.113.87 (talk) 15:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: I 'spose i may just read the wrong comix (Doonesbury, Dilbert) (and i do recall it from the animation of my childhood), but for me the failure to mention its use in special effects in film is surprising. I doubt i've ever seen an example as effective as the pair (on John Belushi's shoulders?) in Animal House, concerning the disposition of the dead-drunk high-school girl who eventually is delivered in a shopping cart to the front of her home.--Jerzy•t 16:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film 

message: AnonMoos (talk) 12:20, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Considered but rejected. Illustrates the subject well but by an amateur apparently. Dogs are not exactly typical. Johnbod (talk) 14:13, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say it was good, I said it was freely-available... AnonMoos (talk) 16:39, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

text:  So what if it's by an amateur (who claims to be a professional cartoonist)? —Tamfang (talk) 00:38, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Freely-available image

message: Why is there both a "modern representations" and an "in modern media" section one after the other, both mostly listing examples of this kind of thing in various works of fiction?  There is no distinction between these two sections so it is only reasonable for them to be merged.  Also, there exist many other example in all kinds of works besides those listed here.--108.86.121.161 (talk) 09:55, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  duplicate sections  

message: :File:Dog's guardian angel retouch.png seemingly violates WP:WATERMARK. The signature itself is even supplemented by a text website link. Its removal should not be predicated on a replacement. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 19:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As discussed above, it's on Commons, so ok. The guy is amateur apparently. Johnbod (talk) 19:47, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That an image can be hosted on commons ≠ it can or should be used in an article here. Amateurism or professionalism is irrelevant; I'm not claiming that it is copyrighted (I have not looked into that aspect). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertisement in Cartoon 

message: As of now, we have
*Early Christianity: The Shepherd of Hermas (late first half of the second century)
*Christian folklore: how old for this specific concept?
*Judaism's classical period: Genesis Rabbah, written mainly 300-500
The main question is: did the Judaic concept precede the early Christian one, or vice versa? It is known that much of Judaism's classical exegetic lit. was put to paper long after the material as such came into being and was passed on orally.
The folkloristic dissemination probably came at least after the creation of The Shepherd of Hermas, but maybe I'm wrong. What do scholas say about it? Arminden (talk) 14:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: From what appears in the article, of the three, it seems that a pairing of a single good angel and a single bad angel is found only in "The Shepherd of Hermas".  The general idea of guiding and protective spirits goes probably goes back many thousands of years... AnonMoos (talk) 18:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's obvious, but the topic is quite specific. So specific that it was only this article that made me aware that it has a name and history of its own :) Arminden (talk) 18:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

text: "The general idea of guiding and protective spirits goes probably goes back" The concept of the tutelary deity as the protector of the person is at least as old as Socrates' daimonion: 
 Dimadick (talk) 08:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What IS the origin?