Talk:Quake 4

message: What happened to the weapons section? It's been deleted without apparent reason. Vandalism or? Also, the article was a lot more thorough, it seems to have been thinned out. Is there a reason for this or does it need to be reverted?
-PedroFromHell
I also think that the weapons section should be retrieved, and possibly a Trivia section. -counselwolf
That was me who deleted the Weapons section a while ago. I've deleted it again. My reason has not changed, although this time you'll know why. WP:NOT#INFO, WP:NOT#GUIDE, and WP:CVG/GL#Scope_of_information should pretty much sum it up. Wikipedia, in its goal as an encyclopaedia, avoids information that is more relevant to a guide, because it isn't supposed to be one. That information on weapons should be in a Gaming Wiki, not the main Wiki. Ong elvin 04:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I should also add that just because something is true does not mean that it is automatic grounds for inclusion in an article. For example, if you go to an encyclopaedia on George Bush, you should not expect a section explaining why he's a dumbf***, even if 100% of the world agrees on it. This example would also break WP:NPOV, which is also what the weapons description did; and neutrality is extremely important to any serious encyclopaedia. Ong elvin 04:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your WP:NOT arguments are reasonable, though I think it's borderline whether describing the weapons that exist in the game constitutes game guide material.  (Describing how to use them and/or how to defeat certain enemies or bosses certainly would.)  However, I think you've gone off the rails with the WP:NPOV argument.  How does describing the weapons present in the game in a factual, dispassionate way come anywhere near espousing a non-neutral point of view? Xihr 04:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking mainly of the Nailgun's description, so citing WP:NPOV was indeed not really relevant. It says "this gun does not come into its own until later in the game" which certainly breaks NPOV, wouldn't you agree? Anyway, if there's a weapons section, it should just be a list with a single short sentence describing it. Such as: Nailgun - Fires highly damaging rounds, like a more powerful machine gun. Describing upgrades is in the scope of a game guide, not an encyclopaedic article. Ong elvin 04:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure, but that's a valid WP:NPOV reason to rephrase that one sentence, not to delete the whole section. Xihr 04:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, I know, and I didn't use WP:NPOV to delete the whole section. (Remember how I referenced those other guidelines.) But hey, even WP:NPOV applies more than once. Just look through . (Dangit, not sure how to make it appear as text rather than footnote number.) Anyway, here's some examples.
*Blaster - nice utility gun
*Machinegun - this is the first 'real' gun the player comes across.
*Shotgun - are impressive, but anything beyond medium range is negligible. (Maybe this example doesn't quite fit WP:NPOV, but the word impressive probably isn't appropriate.)
*Nailgun - initially unimpressive; come into its own until later in the game. (I wouldn't consider identifying it as the signature to violate the all-important WP:NPOV, but I realise that it's probably borderline.)
So yes, WP:NPOV is not a rationale for cropping that section, but it did kill a few sentences. Ong elvin 05:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  . Xihr 06:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd also l ike to add that I think the Story could use some trimming. WP:WIAFA(4) tells us that an article should give enough detail without boring the reader with minutiae. (Also mentioned in the other guidelines I've already linked.) Ong elvin 05:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Content Deletion?

message: *  The official name of this game is Quake 4, not "Quake IV" anymore. "Quake 4" is currently a redirect
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*Support Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:47, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move [[Quake IV]] &rarr; [[Quake 4]]

message: The only official date for Quake 4 is "When it's Done", according to Id chairman Todd Hollenshead. This is common for id's games, as it's their company policy when it comes to release dates, dating all the way back to the first Quake.
The game has been officially released and is available for purchase. Xnolanx 22:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date 

message: It is not known at this time whether this game will bridge the continuity gap [...]
Actually, I believe Quake 2 was named just that because all the other names (or similar enough ones) they wanted to use were already taken/copyrighted/whatever, and since Quake was already a known title and so on, that's what they used. Therefore, I'd like to think that it is known whether it will bridge the gap or not (and it won't, because technically there is no gap). Confirm/deny.
--213.66.39.247 23:54, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Along these lines, the following sentences are contradictory: "The story of the series continues from Quake II, because Quake III Arena has an unrelated plot to the former, focusing on online multiplayer and a very limited single player mode that is essentially the multiplayer played against computer controlled bots. Quake 4, like its immediate prequel Quake II, is not related to the first Quake in any respect other than the name and the logo." Quake 4 continues the story from Quake II, to which it is not related in any way? --Clconway 03:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I mis-read that. So Quake 4 is a proper sequel to Quake II, but neither game has any relationship to Quake or Quake III Arena? (Or Quake III Arena is related, but it didn't have any meaningful plot?) This paragraph could be improved. I would also question the relevance of plot to the Quake games. --Clconway 03:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quake 1/2

message: Can someone add the minimum specs required to play the game to the article please? Thanks! --Rebroad 18:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minimum specs 

message: Wasn't the hero of quake2 named Bitterman? As such, that would not make Matthew Kane the first named hero.
:No, the hero from Quake 2 was Grunt. Bitterman appears in Quake 3. Morris Munroe 16:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're a year late :-).  It's true that the protagonist (you) in Quake II isn't given a personality, but it is true that if you look at your drop pod once you land on Stroggos, it says Bitterman.  It's never spoken or otherwise referenced during the game, however.  Bitterman also makes an appearance as one of the arena combatants in Quake III Arena. Xihr 08:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I take back the part about this not being spoken or otherwise referenced.  You're identified by name (Bitterman) numerous times during the opening sequence of Quake II. Xihr 04:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, the manual calls Bitterman a hero of the Strogg War, but Grunt just a veteran.  As I said, your drop pod is clearly identified as being Bitterman's, so you're him.  It's true that the Strogg experiments described in the manual aren't seen in Quake II, but then again, we also know that Quake II was just the beginning of the invasion, not the end.  A new Makron popped up in the place of the one Bitterman had just defeated, and who knows what happened to him.  Note that Bitterman's accomplishments are mentioned in Quake 4, but he isn't named. Xihr 21:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also note that Quake II ends with the protagonist (i.e., Bitterman, you) crashlanding back on Stroggos after defeating the (first) Makron.  Considering the main assault is yet to come (as detailed in Quake 4), it's certainly plausible that you're captured and (partially?) Stroggified to be consistent with the character description in Quake III Arena.  That said, as the article already acknowledges, Quake III Arena is really not in the same logical storyline continuity as Quake II or Quake 4, so the seeming inconsistency -- or, rather, missing storyline of what happened to Bitterman before Quake III Arena -- isn't all that relevant. Xihr 04:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matthew Kane not the first named protaganist of Quake 

message: I have observed that the Dark Matter Gun is NOT as powerful as BFG10K,in fact,it doesn't even destroy enemies except the lowliest grunts.It just paralyzes them.And no enemy was even vaporized by its shot.Trust me,and go try one.Please anyone reply soon.--85.102.76.88 10:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapon Bug? 

message: and some fans have reacted negatively to it
"Some" fans? Really, who? Unless someone can produce a citation, perhaps from a professional review, this will still be seen as an attempt to insert POV. --OneTopJob6 22:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel words 

message: Apologies to the guy who was going to write a list of enemies out, but we've already got one! However, that page is still a bit rubbish, so feel free to improve it and in particular add pictures. Makron1n 18:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deleted the list here since it was unnecessary. We already have a (far more comprehensive) page detailing the Strogg in Quake 4, albeit one that is due to be merged anyway. However writing an entirely new section is not merging it. The pictures were very good, so I've transferred them over, but for the moment an Enemies/Bosses section here is not needed (see also the Quake II article). Oh, and I've put the Makron picture in the Makron article. Makron1n 10:57, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just discovered the pictures didn't have any copyright information, which is a shame. Be sure to upload them with copyright information next time, as they were excellent. Makron1n 18:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Enemies

message: What is so different between the normal version of Quake 4 and the special version? Morris Munroe 16:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quake 4 versions 

message: Please improve on the story info.
For example there is not 2 Network Guardians.
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:There are indeed two network guardians. Right before Kane is attacked by "the huge lifeform" (as Strauss puts it) you have to defeat two spider like guardians.FrederikHertzum 19:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Revise Please

message: Perhaps a new section called "Modifications" should be added.LoopyDood 15:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mods? 

message: The article claims that you need a MS Windows original to install the Linux client -- can someone confirm that it infact is not possible to use a Mac (or even XBox) version of the game and just rip the data file from those.FrederikHertzum 19:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the X360 version can't even be read by a normal DVD drive due to the whole "deliberately bad TOC" thing, and I'm pretty sure the installer won't work right on the Mac version either. 66.24.104.37 17:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linux version and Mac/Windows/Xbox data files 

message: Hey I just watched the video review of Gamespot and they gave it an 8.0. 02:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If they assign score in the typical modern way, that presumably means they absolutely hated it. Looking back, the game seems to have been a flop that killed off a series that was once the dominant PC action game, one that grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. It would be interesting if the article could elaborate on this. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:41, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  What you type above makes no sense.  The 8.0 number is out of 10, which Gamespot qualifies as "great."  The rest of your comment is original research, and highly dubious OR at that.  Xihr  20:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Games magazines give scores of 8-10/10. They start at 8/10 and go up. They never give scores of less than 8/10, unless the game is complete crap. You're not much of a games expert and now you've retired from Wikipedia! What a waste of time you were. 87.115.23.31 (talk) 10:12, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Gamespot review

message: Nicknames can be colorized with most keyboards by pressing shift-6 to produce a caret character. This isn't generally true, if one is not using an English keymap. Couldn't this be changed? --pred 23:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  What's important is the character that needs to be typed, not how to type it.  And it's just the ^ character. Xihr 21:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrase about keyboards 

message: the 360 verstion's mulityplayer community has what can be charitably called unlively and restained and uncharitably as empty and void of players. I'm not shore how this should be included but even a few weeks after release the mulitplayer was empty. just thought this should be in the article but i am unshoure how. this isnt bashing just to clarafiy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.236.187.71 (talk) 01:17, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: mulitplayer

message: Shouldn't the Marines of Quake II and IV be listed in a more detailed way or have their own article? There is a article devoted to the Strogg, but not the Marines of the Quake universe (as far in context as Quake II and IV go). Just wondering what you guys think.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.220.211 (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to see what more could be said about them, other than a game guide list.  Furthermore, it's worth pointing out that the Strogg article withstood an AfD process, however silly that was. Xihr (talk) 06:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marines of Quake II & IV 

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