Talk:Bank Street College of Education

message: How are the two external links relevant to this article? Simon12 02:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I notice that a privacy hold has been put on the Bank Street College of Education wiki page because of content that has been repeatedly added and deleted. The articles (NY Post and Fox News) that are cited in the text in question refer to an the Bank Street School for Children, not the Bank Street College of Education. Is there a way to have this content fact checked before it is locked in place on the incorrect page?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Estudiante70 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: so this letter from the BSC website is a figment of our imagination? I get it, you're in damage control mode. But don't censor wikipedia for it.
https://www.bankstreet.edu/campus-beyond/news/2016/07/03/letter-to-the-community-about-our-racial-justice-a/444/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SWF88 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bank Street College of Education 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: As disclosed above on this talk page and on my user page, I have a COI and thus am using this talk page to discuss changes with neutral editors.
I believe this article will be improved with the addition of the Bank Street College of Education logo to the infobox. Bank Street College of Education logos can be found publicly at https://www.bankstreet.edu/logos/. Here's where it gets a little bit tricky: On that page, under the heading Main Divisions > Bank Street College of Education, you can see that there are two versions of the logo: a standard horizontal treatment and as a circle.
My inclination is that the horizontal logo should be the only version to appear in the infobox for Bank Street College of Education and that it should appear at the top of the infobox (in the "image" field rather than in the "logo" field). But I'd like neutral editors to make that determination, please.
The infoboxes for nearly all university Featured Articles display a seal image (typically round) at the top of the infobox and a logo at the bottom. For two examples, see Texas Tech University and Florida Atlantic University. That convention would seem to suggest that for consistency, the infobox for this Bank Street College of Education article should be updated to include the round version of its logo at the top and the horizontal version at the bottom. But I see these disadvantages to doing so:
# The round Bank Street College of Education logo is not a seal. It is a logo.
# The horizontal version is considered by Bank Street College of Education to be its primary or "standard logo," and the round version is an alternate. (See the Visual Style Guide PDF linked from their Logos page).
# The round and horizontal version of the logo are visually similar and it may be redundant to include both. They share the leafy "B" mark and the same colors and font face. This degree of similarity is not the case for the vast majority of Featured Articles and Good Articles for universities when they include a round logo/seal and a horizontal logo. For example, see how dissimilar the seal and the logo are for Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The only counter example I've found is from the Good Article McGill University -- the university uses a simplified version of its seal in its logo, and thus the round seal and the horizontal logo are visually similar.
I can only find one precedent for having just one logo appear in the infobox: the Featured Article Shimer College.
Can other editors weigh in on what's most appropriate here, please? Thank you.
-- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 17:16, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for discussion: Which logo(s) to include in infobox? 

message: Request: In the section Notable People > School for Children alumni, please remove this sentence:
:The SFC has both notable alumni and has at times been popular among celebrities for educating their children, including Robert DeNiro, Bill Cosby, William Hurt and Raul Julia.
Explanation: The statement does not cite any sources, and the What Not To Include section of the WikiProject Schools article guidelines states, "lists or detailed information about… parents of current or former pupils… is usually inappropriate."
Thank you. -- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 19:22, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The requested sentence has been omitted. As the COI editor has expressed a concern regarding information in the article which was not referenced, a general cleanup of those items has been made, and items which were unreferenced or referenced only by the college regarding their programs has been omitted. Much of that material was also highly promotional, and as such, should not have been included. With regards to the logo and the seal, both may be used in the infobox. Please upload the images and their appropriate use licenses through the File Upload Wizard and then return to this page with the filenames to be added to the article. Regards,  Spintendo  20:38, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed change: Remove parents from notable people section 

message: Proposed change: Update to a new version, this userspace draft: User:Danielklotz/Bank_Street_College_of_Education.
Reason why: The current structure of this article makes it difficult to improve or expand the article. So, I have worked to bring this article's structure in line with the article structure guidelines from WikiProject Universities and the article structure guidelines from WikiProject Schools. As an institution, Bank Street College of Education is unusual because it is half grad school and half K-8 school. So, when both wikiprojects recommend a section, the new draft has just one section  (e.g., both guidelines suggest a "History" section). For the rest, I created two new sections with subsections -- one for the grad school and one for the school for children. Those might be thought of as "mini articles" within the article.
Because restructuring is the focus of this new draft, I followed three principles:
# Minimize changes to the content itself.
# Only add new content when it is needed to conform to the wikiproject guidelines.
# When possible, add additional source citations to existing content.
Here's the diff comparison: .
My intention is that this new structure, in line with wikiproject guidelines, will make it easier for editors to improve and expand this article. I welcome questions and feedback, and of course other editors are welcome to make changes to my draft before or after it is implemented. Thank you.
-- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 14:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Understood. I will provide my proposed improvements as a series of smaller, more specific edit requests rather than as one single rewrite. Thank you for making the time to review. -- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 17:34, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed change: Restructure article with added citations 

message: * Text from the proposal was found to be insufficiently paraphrased from the source material. All submissions for an article need to be written using an editor's own words and phrases.
Regards,  Spintendo  16:17, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Understood. I will provide my proposed improvements as a series of smaller, more specific edit requests rather than as one single rewrite. Thank you for making the time to review. -- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 17:34, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 8-FEB-2020

message: The History section of this article about an educational institution in New York is, appropriately, flagged with . As I have a COI, I would like to suggest sources for a neutral editor to review and, if approved, add to that section.
* Book review of a biography of the founder of Bank Street College of Education, Lucy Sprague Mitchell, from the New York Times in 1987. It establishes that she was the founder. Example citation (for easy copy and pasting):
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* The entry on Bank Street College of Education from Encyclopedia Britannica. It establishes that it was originally named the Bureau of Educational Experiments, that the founding date was 1916, that the founder was Lucy Sprague Mitchell, that she was influenced by the works of John Dewey. Example citation:
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* A profile of the founder that originally ran in the April 2001 edition of Early Childhood Today (a periodical publication of Scholastic Inc.) and is now available online. It establishes that she studied the works of John Dewey, that she founded the Bureau of Educational Experiences, that the name later changed to Bank Street College. Example citation:
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Thank you.
-- DanielKlotz (talk ·  contribs) 14:28, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for History section 

message: This is an article about an educational institution in New York City which operates a Head Start program. I propose the addition of a sentence to the Head Start subsection of this article.
The independent, secondary reference work Early Childhood Education: An International Encyclopedia, speaking of the Bank Street School for Children, states (on page 517), "The laboratory school was an initial model for the 1965 Head Start Program." That fact helps establish why the Wikipedia article about Bank Street College of Education should include a Head Start section at all, showing why it is a noteworthy aspect of the institution and calibrating the due weight the topic should receive within the article.
Based on that, I suggest adding this sentence, with citation:
: When it began in 1965, the national Head Start program was modeled on the Bank Street School for Children.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielklotz (talk • contribs) 14:53, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bank Street as the initial model for the Head Start program