Talk:Treaty of Paris (1898)

message: I highly recommend to remove the phrase "having been thought themselves free".  It is defamatory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.171.168 (talk • contribs) 
::Please sign your posts using ~~~~.
::defamatory: "tending to disgrace or lower public opinion of a person or to harm a person's reputation"  The US invaded the Philippines, which wanted independence, set up concentration camps, and killed between 100,000 to 200,000 people.  And you suggest that saying "having been thought themselves free" is defamatory?  Defamatory against who?  America? 
::Aguinaldo wanted independence, and the Filippinos overwhelmingly supported the resistance.
::This is a historically accurate comment.  What is truly sad is how you seem to be whitewashing the invasion with your words.
::Your early revision was: "The phrase does not only have bias but it is also highly insulting." 
::First, there is plenty of basis, see my comments above, and what is insulting is your jingoist zeal and ignorance of this period of history. Travb 09:37, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: recommendations

message: There is a debate on whether or not the Philippines was purchased from Spain for $20 million in 1898 (equivalent to 481,000,000 in 2005 currency). The facts are as follows: (1) The Spanish-American war ended with Spain giving up most of its territories in Asia and the Carribean Sea.  (2) In the aftermath of the war before the treaty was held, the US being the victor, had conquered Guam, the Philippine islands, and the other territories.  (3) since the US had already conquered the Philippine islands Spain had permitted the US use of the ports and of the city of Manila (except for the southern regions ie Visayas and Mindanao) (4) Since Spain had refused to give up the entire archipelago, the US had offered $20 million.
The payment was not intended to purchase land but acted as a gift offering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.144.29.4 (talk • contribs) 
:Source it from a scholar, and include it in the article, if you wish.  But it sounds like unproductive speculation to me.  The bottom line is America got the territory from Spain.Travb 03:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me repeat myself: "Source it from a scholar"  Also, please sign your posts with ~~~~. Travb 08:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with the above "source it from a scholar". Without solid sourcing, I'm not comfortable with the statement or even the implication that this was a simple purchase. Even with scholars, viewpoints may differ, and differences need to be accommodated  (see WP:DUE). In one non-scholar source that is fairly detailed about this, p.171 does assert that there was a suggestion of "offering Spain ten or twenty million dollars for the islands" , p. 171-172 later describe SecState Hay messaging in re making any payment at all about McKinley's feelings towards a "duty to humanity". I've edited the Note to remove the words "for a payment" because "for" suggests tit for tat, and I don't think that's clear. Without solid sourcing, all this is WP:OR. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:53, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Digging around, I found  (pp:347-348). This jibes with mentions I vaguely recall seeing elsewhere attributing the $20M payment to reimbursement to Spain for pre-war investment in Philippine infrastructure. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: $20 million

message: The article says Spain "Surrendered Puerto Rico and gave up its possessions in the West Indies." Which islands in the West Indies are they referring to besides those explicitly mentioned? And what happened with those islands; were they put under control of the US or did they become independent like Cuba? Nearwater (talk) 06:15, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Article II of the treaty says simply, "Spain cedes to the United States the island of Porto Rico and other islands now under Spanish sovereignty in the West Indies, and the island of Guam in the Marianas or Ladrones." (Article I covers Cuba, Article II covers the Philippines)  There is no more detail than that in the treaty. The Spanish West Indies article just mentions Cuba and Puerto Rico (and, I would say, mischaracterizes the details for both). Puerto Rico#Geography, Geography of Puerto Rico and List of islands of Puerto Rico have some more information. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. I should have said I also read the treaty. I was surprised that it wasn't more specific. There must be some other source out there that clarifies it.Nearwater (talk) 16:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Indies 

message: I've moved the following content here for discussion. It was added to the Treaty provisions section by this reverted edit.
I have several problems with this
#It doesn't seem to belong in the Treaty provisions section of the article.
#The first sentence needs clarification and support.
#The second sentence ignores the fact that the Queen Regent signing the treaty mooted its rejection by the Courtes.
#The asserted reason for rejection by the Courtes needs support, including support re the implication that this was the sole reason for its rejection by the Courtes.
Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article content moved here 2014--09-12 

message: I've added a  hatnote to this section, saying: "unencyclopedic wikivoicey style, needs specific pagenos in cites more closely matched with assertions". I do not have access to the cited source for reverification, am not familiar with the specifics here. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some copy-editing of that section to tighten the prose and, hopefully, to remove some less than encyclopedic language. It doesn't seem to me to be using wikivoice inappropriately. Are there specific sentences that you see as problematic? Indyguy (talk) 15:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Muslim sultanates issue'' section