Talk:Pat Boone

message: รัก-ไทย (talk) 18:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I just took this out of the article:
:While there were exceptions, notably Little Richard, most of the singers and songwriters whose work Boone used remained in poverty and obscurity despite his considerable success.
and replaced it with this:
:Pat Boone's pale covers gave attention to the more authentic original artists as Little Richard and Fats Domino, and to rhythm and blues in general. In addition, the songwriters and copyright holders benefited even when individual artists did not.
The only R&B songs not by Little Richard or Fats Domino covered by Pat Boone were "I almost lost my mind" by Ivory Joe Hunter, which Boone did a creditable job on, perhaps his best R&B cover, and "At my front door (Crazy Little Mama)", which was a one hit wonder however you slice it.  
I was an R&B-mad teenager when Boone hit the streets and I hated him too for his wimpy ripoff versions of great songs, but from the 50-year perspective it is clear that this kind of cleaned-up handholding by white artists was a necessary stage in the development of the music.  I have heard that Little Richard once hauled Boone up on the stage and announced,  "This is the man who made me a millionaire" before performing "Tutti Frutti" with him.  
At any rate, there is no case for saying Pat Boone left people in "poverty and obscurity" because he covered their songs.  Best regards, Ortolan88 18:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed well-meaning, but inaccurate info from article

message: There is an edit war going on over the inclusion of a claim that Pat Boone is descended from Daniel Boone.  This claim is, as yet, unsourced and unreferenced.  According to WP:BIO this article must be impeccably sourced. Cleduc 14:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Daniel Boone

message: See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 04:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations & References

message: A reputable encyclopedia must strive for objectivity, rather than engage in agenda-driven swipes at the subjects of articles.
There is no evidence that Pat Boone has an abnormal, irrational psychological fear of homosexuals. Judging by his public statements over the years, his opposition to gays and the gay agenda is based on his evangelical Christian beliefs, and not any great fear of them. 
The person who added the section on "Homophobia" hasn't provided any documentation of an official diagnosis of "Homophobia", from a clinical psychologist who has personally examined Mr. Boone. Thus I have deleted the following, since at this time a claim of "Homophobia" can only be considered an agenda-driven personal opinion:
In the 2007 Kentucky gubernatorial election, Pat Boone campaigned for incumbent Republican Ernie Fletcher with a prerecorded automated telephone message because of his belief that the Democrat candidate Steve Beshear would support "every homosexual cause."  
MindBodySoul 04:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so strike the word "homophobia" and the political act stands, properly referenced and important, etc.  I've incorporated it into a new section "Politics" which includes other political activities. Cleduc 05:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I would also point out that the term homophobia (despite the fact that -phobia means "fear of") does not simply mean "fearing homosexuals." It refers to the propensity to direct hatred toward and discriminate against homosexuals. I doubt that Aaron McKinney and Russell P. Henderson (at over 180 pounds each) feared the slight and pacifistic Matthew Shepard (who tipped the scales at around 105 pounds soaking wet) when they murdered him. But if you tell me that the fact that they didn't fear Matthew Shepard means they weren't homophobic, I'm going to suggest you need your head examined. SanctimoniousPharisee (talk) 11:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted the section entitled "Homophobia"

message: To my knowledge, Boone has never refuted that the photo is of him. And for all its misogyny, Hustler has a good track record of making its accusations against right wing hypocrites stick. Therefore I believe this is relevant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karlap (talk • contribs) 00:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hustler photo

message: Was Boone's version of Crazy Train used as the theme for later seasons?  The original theme was performed by Lewis La Medica.  http://www.theprojekt.com/lewis.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,235237,00.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackieRipper (talk • contribs) 14:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Osbournes

message: I've removed the statement "Readers at the Pharyngula blog widely condemned his article, noting that his description of the history of equal rights appeared to gloss over the unrest seen during civil rights marches and protests of the 1950s and 1960s, Women's Suffrage movements in the US and the American Civil War.", referring to his article comparing Proposition 8 supporters to the Mumbai terrorists. The fact that readers of one blog condemned his words doesn't seem very significant to me; basically nothing in the world happens without the readers of a blog condemning it and it doesn't need to make it into this, an article about not the incident itself but a person involved. Things like the Keith Olbermann statement, if they can be sourced, are more noteworthy. Olaf Davis | Talk 11:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pharyngula 

message: I'm sorry to say I find this article rather biased. Pat Boone has received huge amounts of criticism. His cover versions of r&b songs have been described as "antiseptic" and he was strongly associated with a racist audience (to whom black performers were unacceptable). However, this vital point seems not even to be hinted at. On top of that, the introduction unabashedly claims that "many still believe Boone should be introduced into the r&r Hall of Fame", a classic example of weasel wording (especially since at least as many others want to keep him out at all costs). In short, this article bears many hallmarks of a mere fan page and badly needs to be put into a wider perspective. Steinbach (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: He sung the national anthem before a televised NBA All-Star game in the 1960s and messed up the lyrics.  I know that he's hardly unique in doing that. WHPratt (talk) 13:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basketball interests 

message: I have moved the following passage to the Talk page since it seems, frankly, doubtful to have occurred. If anyone can get a credible citation on it, I won't oppose its addition back to the article:
"Most recently, Boone stepped back from the singer/songwriter spotlight in order to focus on directing the creative process and allowing other musicians to benefit from his expertise. In early March 2009, Boone was contacted by critically acclaimed progressive dream music group Benny 7 and the Nice Guys and asked to play the role of producer on their first release in forty years, a five track EP entitled All Due Respect to Mr. B. The title caused heated dispute amongst fans as to whom the mysterious "Mr. B" is referring to; Pat Boone, or Benny 7 himself. Ex-Nice Guy Jesuit Tinfoil Jr. is quoted as saying of Boone: "He was fly, man. A real flat-jam-Randall to work with. It was down to him that we moved on so much from the first album. He had mad windows. And I mean mad windows." "  GBrady (talk) 13:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a citation 

message: According to an opinion poll of high school students in 1957, Pat Boone was nearly the "two-to-one favorite over Elvis Presley among boys and preferred almost three-to-one by girls..." See the statistics in Ennis, Philip H., The Seventh Stream: The Emergence of Rocknroll in American Popular Music (Wesleyan University Press, 1992), p. 251-252. I think this is of some importance and should be included in the Elvis Presley article. But there are different opinions. May I ask some Boone experts to have a look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Elvis Presley/archive4. Thank you. Onefortyone (talk) 02:58, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pat Boone and Elvis Presley

message: Are these statements contradictory? Or did Pat's career span two eras?
"Boone's talent as a singer and actor combined with his old-fashioned values contributed to his popularity in the pre-rock and roll era."
"His cover versions of rhythm and blues hits had a noticeable effect on the development of the broad popularity of rock and roll."
Dynzmoar (talk) 11:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Which Era?

message: It seems that some people have tried to personally attack Boone's manner of ascension in this article. That is not appropriate, but I have looked up some videos of Boone songs on the internet and many of even his most praised songs are widely panned by the public. This article seems to be somewhat dishonest in broadly omitting an element of Boone's image. It seems that, currently, Boone is actually resented by a significant audience for what it perceives as his having unfairly exploited contemporary prejudices to achieve greater renown for inferior products. He is commonly aligned with his audience as an obstacle to social progress. It would not be difficult to add a small section addressing the criticism. Enough comment threads and blog posts could easily be recovered to provide a good gauge of public opinion. 108.8.49.61 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, comment threads and blog posts are not reliable sources, and attempting to analyse them would be WP:Original research, which we don't do on Wikipedia. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:39, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: According to Billboard, Boone was the second biggest charting artist of the late 1950s, behind only Elvis Presley but ahead of Ricky Nelson and The Platters,  This is nonsense. Pat Boone was only on 8th place. According to Top Pop Albums by Joel Whitburn Top 50 Artists (1955-1959) by version Billboard was 1) Frank Sinatra 2) Johnny Mathis 3) Elvis Presley 4) Harry Belafonte 5) Mantovani. --LordWeller (talk) 19:26, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well unfortunately, whoever added that sentence didn't give a source (only that it was Billboard). And you only give a title of your source. But, your source is about albums, not singles. And in the book Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music: Pop, Rock, and Worship on page 27, it says, "Boone...during the late 1950s outsold every artist except Elvis." --Musdan77 (talk) 03:10, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but things that push Christian versions of mainstream things very often bear false witness about their popularity. 2601:1C2:5000:8CC7:F17C:DF8C:D6C4:77FD (talk) 07:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  second biggest charting artist? 

message: event on September 22, 2012 entitled
No name is currently given, I assume it is this , which has been cancelled supposedly (not sure of what a reputable source would be in relation to this, but maybe not that one). ---86.151.252.119 (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing bits in Politics section 

message: Pat Boone had an arrest warrant issued against him near the end of March 2014.  Boone acknowledged the warrant but said that the warrant is nonsense.  Many media sources have reported the warrant, most without any reservation.
Wikipedia editors keep deleting the material that I attempt to add to the Pat Boone article on the supposed grounds that it is speculative, controversial (without being notable), WP:UNDUE, minor, vague.  Given that laundry list, which goes all over the place, with no support for any of these supposed reasons, I think that the real reason for removal stems from a personal dislike, on the part of the Wikipedia editors, for permitting such material, not that such material isn't true.  Further, if something is controversial, I don't see how not being notable should keep such material out but being notable should possibly allow such material in.
I appeal the decision to exclude.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.184.33.158 (talk • contribs) 
:We wouldn't include such material according to the key Wikipedia policy WP:BLP. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: IP 107, I have tried to give you several reasons for why this material is currently not appropriate for this article. Demiurge1000 cites the central Wikipedia policy relevant to including controversial material to a BLP. It is also important to keep in mind that Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWSPAPER.  Take a look at the policies we have cited and I think you will begin to see that it has nothing to do with personal dislike, but rather an understanding of policy. I am One of Many (talk) 15:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  At this point, I don't think the arrest warrant is sufficiently notable, especially considering WP:BLP.  It looks like Boone blew off a court hearing in which he's a minor player (at best).  --Weazie (talk) 00:22, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

text: Your premise does not entail your conclusion. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  arrest warrant 

message: Pat Boone is not descended from Daniel Boone. His claim has been debunked several times. (92.4.12.161 (talk) 18:34, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daniel Boone 

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message: Pat Boone was in a little known movie called "The Great Balloon Race"
Where can you find this movie? 2600:8801:2007:6B00:71B7:A3D5:19C5:D58C (talk) 11:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The only film I can find with an alternate title of "The Great Balloon Race" is the low budget Olly Olly Oxen Free (film), starring Katherine Hepburn. I see no evidence that Boone appeared. Cullen328 (talk) 17:18, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pat Boone, movie he was in. 

message: A glaring omission in his politics is that Pat Boone was (and probably still is) a staunch supporter of the birther movement, parroting several points of misinformation about Obama's place of birth in Hawaii. For instance, in his interview with Alan Colmes, he makes several false claims about Obama's birthplace being in Hawaii. Though he claims he's not a birther (but, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and talks like a duck, etc.), his own mouth condemns him.
But regardless of what he calls himself, the fact is he subscribed wholeheartedly to the birther conspiracy theory, and to not include this aspect of his politics gives the appearance of trying to actually protect his legacy against an obvious black mark. SanctimoniousPharisee (talk) 11:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Pat the Birther

message: Pat Boone hosted a Coca-Cola TV special with many famous guests, popular at the time. can be seen on YouTube 58.171.69.194 (talk) 05:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coca Cola TV special.