Talk:Jesse James

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Jesse Woodson James had another full sibling: Robert R. James, who died in infancy in 1845.  Robert is included in the list of children at Zerelda James.  Can someone make the edit, as the omission could be confusing for family researchers?  
Also, this statement under "Museums" is flatly incorrect:  "The Jesse James Tavern is in his father's birthplace in Asdee, County Kerry, Ireland, from which his father immigrated to the US in the 1840s as a young man."  Jesse Woodson James' father, Robert Sallee James, was born in Logan County, Kentucky in 1818, which is well-established fact.  See Robert S. James for further information. Tnhybrid (talk) 21:38, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Siblings; Robert Sallee James birthplace 

message: Can somebody who knows math correct his age of death from 34 to 35, (1882 - 1847 = 35). Thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.255.110 (talk) 10:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age of Death 

message: I've removed the following commentary from the article:
"(i'm not sure why this has changed from Independence, MO to St. Louis County.  http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~24476~900020:Chicago-&-Alton-Railroad---No-chang shows a map with a listing of the depots along the Chicago-Alton Railroad.  The article in reference 41 also states that the robery occured not more than 12 miles from Kansas City.  The area known as Glendale then was later changed to Selsa. http://www.chicagoalton1879depot.org/history.html.) (here is a book reference about Glendale http://books.google.com/books?id=ntxuxXN7JJYC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=jesse+james+glendale+station&source=bl&ots=jZaILjjs15&sig=JGNyHQp_HyXyYExsgFo0HE_RnUY&hl=en&ei=Ot8GTbGvIdGLnQfHxpnlDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=jesse%20james%20glendale%20station&f=false) (to go even further, here http://www.glendalemo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=10&Itemid=8 is a history of the Glendale, MO near St. Louis where it states this city was named after a station on the Missouri Pacific Railroad) "
Anyone want to use this in the article in some fashion? The Historical Atlas book can probably be used. Dougweller (talk) 07:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glendale robbery, copying comments from article to here 

message: From the original article:
"Jesse and his brother Frank James were Confederate guerrillas during the Civil War. They were accused of participating in atrocities committed against Union soldiers. After the war, as members of one gang or another, they robbed banks, stagecoaches and trains. Despite popular portrayals of James as a kind of Robin Hood, robbing from the rich and giving to the poor, there is no evidence that he and his gang used their robbery gains for anyone but themselves.[2]"
The above needs to be corrected immediately in the article--it is opinion not fact.  The source cited is actually a reprint by the Seattle Times of an op-ed featured in the Washington Post.  The author of the editorial made the final statement quoted here, but failed to cite sources for that back up the claim that they kept all of the money themselves.  
The is plenty of modern evidence that suggests Jesse and Frank James were content to go back to farming their family homestead after the defeat in the Civil War and may have never formed an "outlaw gang" were it not for the graft, corruption, and yes mnurder being perpetuated by Pinkerton agents to acquire land for the westward expansion of the Illinois railroad lines.
They were protecting our most foundational freedom as Americans:  the private property of themselves and their neighbors being stolen by the U.S. government and the greedy corporations controlling the government.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.23.69 (talk) 12:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It is probably hard for someone who isn't American to understand the impact the Civil War had and still has on the U.S. culture. Depending on which side your sympathies lie, someone may be considered either a hero or a villain. Wschart (talk) 19:11, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I marvel at it too, but also at movies that glorify big heists. Some like him because he was 1> a Confederate 2> a rebel 3> a Robin Hood figure (probably false), or because 4> they hate banks 5> root for the little guy 6> think he had reformed 7> was killed in perhaps less than an honorable way (apparently the murderer of JJ's killer was let free and pardoned after 10 yrs by the governor after receiving petitions to do so) 8>"larger than life" --JimWae (talk) 08:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: People of many countries adopt criminals/outlaws as folk heroes, which James was. For those who mistakenly believed he was robbing on their behalf, they thought he was a Robin Hood.  Others thought he continued to represent the Confederate guerrillas, but it looks mostly as if he robbed for himself and his gang. Folk heroes exist outside of facts.Parkwells (talk) 12:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is he a national hero? 

message: It appears that the date of Jesse James' death is inaccurate (it says 1951 but I believe is was 1882.) I don't see how to edit this so I'm hoping that by mentioning it here someone can fix it. 
Duncanad (talk) 01:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it. I don't know how they got that wrong. HotshotCleaner (talk) 02:00, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

text: it looks like Jdeer123 changed it. Maybe he can explain why. HotshotCleaner (talk) 02:03, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Date 

message: hello, I've just become a bona fide member of weki and I am going to make a donation, first here, i live 6 miles from Gads Hill, we have a large sign telling about the 1st MO. train robbery taking place there by Jesse and four members of his gang on Jan.31 1874. It's in your Gads Hill info. about how the place got its name from Charles Dickens Hometown,but not here, please but us in along with the others because its just as famous, just overlooked, thank you.Mensatop2 (talk) 06:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please request a specific edit, as described in the template. Change the template back to answered=no when you do so--Jac16888 Talk 11:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 4 December 2011 

message: The line "He also faked his own death and was known as J.M James" in the first paragraph should be removed as it is more representative of a conspiracy theory than proven fact. The article itself notes that "none of James' biographers have accepted [such theories] as plausible. To include such info in the introduction, especially as a statement, is misleading.
Writebeat (talk) 04:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 13 December 2011 

message: I would like to add the following link to the External links section, but I noticed there is a note requesting that further links be discussed here. Comments? 
http://www.booknotes.org/Watch/165238-1/Ted+Yeatman.aspx
KConWiki (talk) 16:52, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Booknotes link

message: The caption below the picture of Jesse James's farm reads "Jesse James Farm in Kearney." I believe this should be changed to "Jesse James's Farm in Kearney."
CiaraMisaki (talk) 19:10, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize that you believe that there is a grammatical error concerning possessives but the name Jesse James Farm is an official and recognized name used by the current museum as seen here. It isn't an error.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 19:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 21 January 2012 

message: Jesse James wax museum Address: North Service Rd W., Stanton, MO
   Directions: I-44 exit 230, southeast side. Phone: 573-927-5233
Rudy Turili claimed to have tracked down Jesee James in 1948 very much alive. After many years off collecting evidence of this mans idenity she opened this museum in 1964.Boomhaward (talk) 23:05, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 22 January 2012 

message: Jesse Woodson James and Zerelda Amanda Mimms had four children NOT two. mentioned under the picture at the top of the first page with an overview of him I can only find the names of Jesse Edwards James and Mary Susan James. The names of the other two children are Montgomery James and Gould James, they were twins and although they only lived a few days after child birth, I think they're names should be listed under his children, (in the section under the picture not just further down in the article), in respect for Jesse Woodson James and his family. The twins were born in 1878 and died in the same year.
Dugan baby (talk) 21:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children 

message: The Museum section of the Jesse Woodson James article should have an additional entry. - The Jesse James Bank Museum on the square in Liberty, Missouri. - It is the site of the first daylight bank robbery in peacetime.  I have been to it many times.  The museum is managed by Clay County along with the James Farm Home and Museum outside of Kearney, Missouri. Please consider making this change (addition) to the article.  Thank you.
69.242.154.243 (talk) 00:56, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request on 12 March 2012

message: Why is there no mention/discussion of his living descendents, especially Jesse James, who is (I believe) involved in the bike business, and shows up on various TV programs (eg, the one with the Teufels)? He's the spit and image of his predator -- uh, predecessor. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 16:01, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: living descendents

message: Possible addition to:
Rumors of survival
Neil Morris, in his recording of the song "Jesse James," relates that his grandfather maintained that the James Brothers frequently hid out on his farm in Baxter County, Arkansas.  Morris' story places his grandfather and Frank James at the 1901 World Fair, where Frank told Morris' grandfather that Jesse was alive and that the red-haired man killed by the Ford Brothers was William C. Quantrill, who was similar in size and appearance to Jesse. The story is a terrific example of how local legend grew up around the brothers. 
ref: Sounds of the South, Disc 1, Track 6 (Jesse James), Atlantic Recording Corporation, 1993 
Downfall of the gang
Northfield annually celebrates the victory of its citizens during its September Defeat of Jesse James Days festival. ref: http://www.djjd.org/ </ref>
Johnsoby1 (talk) 04:48, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what should be changed and where? JguyTalkDone 21:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 8 August 2012 

message: please change Robert Ford to Robert Ford i.e. give a hyperlink
82.169.199.129 (talk) 00:18, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The intro parapgraph already does this.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 2 December 2012 

message: I knew 5 CANADIAN members of the Jesse James Gang.  There was Doc Boone AND his older wife, Earnest Brandt who has written a book on the Jesse James Gang and members, Joseph Branconnier originally a River Boat Gambler on the Missouri,  and Earnest Gaudry who was the youngest member.  
These 5 people had escaped to Canada in the 1800's and dispersed from each other with the exception of Doc Boone who's wife stayed by his side to the end.  
They all ended up in what was once a large Wood Mill/Farming Town called Birch River Manitoba, Canada where by that time ALL were married.  All had money.  
Doc Boone and his wife opened a Dr.'s Practice in a section of the town's Drugstore near the Hospital and lived in a huge but fancy log house on property not usually allowed purchase, yet he was able to.  
Joseph Branconnier married Audry Perilot from France and had one of the biggest horse and cattle ranches around at that time.  Earnest Gaudry became the owner of a Pool Hall and married a relative of Louis Riel named Rose ( Last name: Nee:____unknown to me)  
Joseph Branconnier and Earnest Gaudry were 1st cousins.  
I never heard Earnest Brandt's wife's name but she passed away young and he seemed to hermitized himself in his unusually large fancy house and yards in Town.  It turned out he had written a book of all their events with the James gang.  I don't recall if he passed away or moved away.
I know because I knew them all.
I believe my Great Grand-Father Joseph Branconnier was the 1st to pass away after his 2nd marriage to Roselin Nee: Delorme from Louisiana who had 1st been married to his Daughter-In-Laws Father Peter Fiddler.   He passed on in 194 at the age of 100.
Last visit I had with Doc Boone was in 1972 though I do not recall his age at his time of death.
Earnest Gaudry passed away in 1984 followed shortly by his wife Rose. I am not clear on his death age either.
Earnest Brandt I last saw in 1976 when I went to his house selling Carnival Queen Tickets.
I saw Mrs. Boone last in 1977.  I only ever knew her as Mrs. Doc Boone.
My late Mother's Mother and Father had a whole pile of photos, events, names, etc but I do not know which family member has them now.
There are a lot more details but I am not the one to tell them.
Earnest Brandt's book would be a wonderful resource to collaborate the information I know. Though I am unclear as to what he did before writing the book, I think it was his only one though I do not recall what the title of it was though I did have an original 1st copy which was in my Mother's possession when she passed away followed only 3 months after my Father.  I believe my eldest Daughter may have burned it or is putting it in a 2013 garage sale.
Norman Branconnier, Alice Connolly, and Anne Haggerty may have more information, details, writings, etc and happen  to live very close, Norman Jr. in the Bowsman Manitoba, Canada.   Rural Municipality same as Anne Haggerty.  Alice Connolly lives in Swan River Manitoba.  Canada.  
There age 2 others that have loads of materials on all of this but no one seems to know whee they are currently living though they are in Swan River Manitoba, Canada quite frequently.
    
There ARE books besides Earnest Brandt's containing the same names which may have actually been changed when or before they escaped into Canada.  And a possibility that those names had been changed from Province to Province before all ended up in Birch River Manitoba, Canada.
This is to let people know that Canadians had their roles in USA History whether good or bad as they are most all probably gone now.  Any relatives remaining in the USA and Canada should neither be proud or ashamed of their heritage and I believe this deserves mention.  
StormyStars (talk) 23:18, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Personal experience or "someone told me so" are violations of Wikipedia's policy on original research. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:20, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 7 March 2013 

message: What's this "Some recent scholars…" bit? It's crap like this that make scholars and historians not take Wikipedia seriously. Historians (not necessarily 100% perhaps) have always considered the James gang to be primarily a rebel outgrowth of the Civil War as well a continuation of the Bloody Kansas - Missouri Border War. In another weaselly section, someone claims it's not certain James took part in a robbery despite an eyewitness account. What's that all about? It's possible writers here are being swayed by James' publicist, apologist, romanticist, and pro-slavery, pro-separtist newspaperman John Edwards, the main reason James became a legend at all. --71.1.200.230 (talk) 22:51, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: The two photos suggest that James died at both locations.  This is confusing and should be rewritten to reduce ambiguity.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.183.13.16 (talk) 16:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo captions relating to 'Death' heading

message: Within the 5.3.6 Television portion of Jesse James, a mention should be made of the 2/2/1973 episode of the Brady Bunch, titled "Bobby's Hero" which featured Jesse James. (source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0531075/)
75.132.10.94 (talk) 22:58, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. IMDb is not considered a RELIABLE SOURCE. —  (t • e • c) 03:12, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2014 

message: I just created an article for a photographer named Carl Giers, and I'm trying to figure out if he took the photograph that appears in the lede.  These two sites,  and , suggest the photograph was taken (in cabinet card format) by Giers' studio.  This book  has a photograph of the James brothers and Fletch Taylor taken by Giers in the late 1860s, showing they were acquainted.  Note that Giers died in 1877, so if he was the photographer, it would have been taken prior to that year (Giers' estate may have registered the copyright in 1882 due to James' notoriety and the photograph's frequent appearance in newspapers).  Bms4880 (talk) 21:43, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede photo 

message: Edit request - addition to section "Television" (5.3.6)
In an episode of the Twilight Zone, "Showdown with Rance McGrew," Jesse James (played by Arch Johnson) confronts McGrew, an actor who stars in a TV western, about the shabby way he and other historical outlaws are portrayed on the program. The episode was written by Rod Serling, and originally aired on February 2, 1962, during the Twilight Zone's third season. (Source: The Twilight Zone Companion by Marc Scott Zicree, published 1982)
Nightfly016 (talk) 14:07, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: , though it would be nice if you could provide a page number for the information.  G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 15:31, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2014 

message: A poor quality photo has been repeatedly added "Jesse James 1870's. Photo taken in Webb City, Mo." whilst it may be rare, it adds nothing to the article which already has much better photos. Theroadislong (talk) 08:54, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs 

message: I believe the two photos from the Phillips Collection; "Jesse James 1870's. Photo taken in Webb City, Mo" and "Jesse & Zerelda James. Phillips Collection" are fakes and should NOT be included in this article. They do not even look like the other pictures?!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schmidty99206 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake Photos from Phillips Collection 

message: Request to have the following pictures removed from the page as they are neither authentic nor add to the value of the page:
Also, I believe they were added by a professional daguerreotype resale company and they are using wikipedia to "justify" the pics as being real. 
Schmidty99206 (talk) 16:14, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: @Schmidty99206 Could you provide us with some more details, as in why you believe they are not authentic? Altamel (talk) 16:47, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

text: Done Since there is no source as to the images (eg from a library archive etc), I've removed them.  Stickee (talk) 22:51, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2015 

message: I would like to dispute an image posting by user OSMOND PHILLIPS. This user has posted many times with non-sourced, un-reliably linked images that do not show proof that the images are who they say they are; i.e. pictures of Jesse W. James. This user has done this several times over different Wikipedia articles and is basically vandalizing by doing this, in my opinion? The image of Jesse James' funeral posting here under the Phillips Collection does not have any sources other than the Phillips Collection? I am challenging the authenticity of this image as well as any other images for articles that this user posts.
Schmidty99206 (talk) 07:04, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not requested a specific change, or explained what your concern is.Please note the threads abovem, and in the archives about photos, and the comments on some of the image pages.More importantly, you must cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:47, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2015 

message: According to the bulbapedia the names of the 'Team Rocket' members Jessie and James are taken from Jesse James. I would mention it, however, there isn't any source for this information. Can anybody help? 79.255.108.251 (talk) 20:23, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If a source could be found for that potential fact, it would belong in the Cultural depictions of Jesse James article, not this one. Acwilson9 (talk) 22:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jessie and James from Pokémon 

message: The rumors of survival doesn't seem to maintain a NPOV. 
"The theme of survival was featured in a 2009 documentary, Jesse James' Hidden Treasure, which aired on the History Channel. The documentary was dismissed as pseudo-history and pseudo-science by historian Nancy Samuelson in a review she wrote for the Winter 2009-2010 edition of The James-Younger Gang Journal.[65]"
This is one opinion of one historian. It isn't notable and isn't encyclopedic. I plan to remove it unless anyone feels it has reason to stay. Coin Collecting John (talk) 02:49, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible POV 

message: If he was a murderer, then he belongs to the :Category:American murderers and :Category:Murdered criminals, I think. —  Ark25  (talk) 03:33, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:American murderers 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: change "Jasse" to Jesse in 6.3.2 "Video Game": "Jasse James has been playable in two games Gunfighter: The Legend of Jesse James for PlayStation[88] and Gunfighter II: Revenge of Jesse James for PlayStation 2.[89]" 107.145.120.37 (talk) 02:30, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done  —  IVORK Discuss 02:37, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2018 

message: 1965: The Legend of Jesse James, TV series, played by Allen Case should read - 1965: The Legend of Jesse James, TV series, played by Christopher Jones.  Allen Chase played Frank James. Hughrobinson (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done I removed the incorrect entry, since it was a duplicate listing of the TV show in addition to having the error.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:17, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2018 

message: 85.192.81.237 (talk) 10:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No edit requested. Closing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:54, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2021 

message: The first word of the third paragraph, popular, should have the p capitalized. 2600:1700:5F60:6900:A4C1:1BEE:3C04:E24F (talk) 00:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2022 

message: Sophia Owens-great x 6 granddaughter 
Frances Owens-great x6 granddaughter
Max owens-great x6 grandson
Dennis Owens great x4 grandson
Zach Owens-great x5 grandson
Esther Owens-great x5 granddaughter 184.4.84.217 (talk) 16:56, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family That is Alive Now 

message: 1) The text reads, : The robbery quickly went wrong, however, and after the robbery only Frank and Jesse James remained alive and free.
Cole and Bob Younger later said they selected the bank because they believed it was associated with the Republican politician Adelbert Ames, the governor of Mississippi during Reconstruction, and Union general Benjamin Butler, Ames's father-in-law and the Union commander of occupied New Orleans." To me that means that all doing the robbery (except FJ & JJ) died.  The gang was the Younger and James gang.  BY said they selected the bank, indicating that he was involved at least in the planning (and, but maybe I am jumping to conclusions here) partaking in the robbery.  So did not remain alive, yet he later said something.  How does that work, spiritualism? 
2) The text says JJ was cleaning the picture, whereas the legend to the picture says he is hanging it.  Which was it, or did he clean it and then hang it? 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:F43C:597E:C305:125C (talk) 23:31, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't understand 

message: What happens if your doing a freaking wanted poster and don't know what to add like his race,how he speaks,when he was growing up, and all of that stuff 2601:140:4100:3CF0:F02C:77F:A6C1:24A2 (talk) 21:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't understand to