Talk:Empty calories

message: The previous wording was "Empty calorie describes a calorie with little or no marked nutritional value, typically from processed carbohydrates and/or fats."  As the article goes on to point out, this is a contradiction since its very caloric value gives these "empty calories" the same nutritional value as any other calories,--rather the phrase refers to the lack of accompanying micronutrients, fiber, complex carbohydrates, etc. typical of processed and refined foods. NTK 19:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorrect. Fortification is an afterthought that does not come even remotely close to restoring the nutrients lost (at least in the case of white flour). Though it is not a source that could be cited in the main article, this page has some pretty interesting numbers taken from the USDA. --Warrior-Poet 21:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think you are both missing the point of the article. Nowhere does it assert that the foods listed here cannot be a healthy part of a person's diet - although that is a rather tenuous argument for many of the foods listed here. Nor does it assert that one cannot take vitamin supplements and make up for what empty calorie foods cannot provide. Those are separate arguments to be handled in another article. The article asserts that a) Dietitians consider some foods to be "empty calorie" foods on the basis of poor nutritional content and b) that empty calorie foods can lead to malnutrition (the reasons for this are somewhat obvious, though I suppose that direct evidence to support this claim would be to the benefit of the article). The article also states that dietitians recommend nutrient-dense foods over the "empty (or near empty) calorie" foods listed, which does not strike me as something that 
needs to be further supported either. That readers may take exception to their favorite foods being dubbed "empty" in no way undermines the legitimacy or relevance of the article. --Warrior-Poet 21:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where ELSE would you get calories from than carbohydrates and fats? We don't utilize any other hydrocarbon for energy unless we're deprived of those two.
Open Source
hey  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.130.198 (talk) 14:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fortification

message: Although I never put the move tag on this page, and the above discussion doesn't appear to be about the move, so I'll create the discussion here. Personally, I'd oppose a move to junk food because empty calories are dealt with more on a nutritional side, rather than an over-all on junk food. Kilo•T 19:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the merge tag.  Cburnett (talk) 02:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

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message: Added content and ref on alcohol as example of empty calories. For alcohol (ethanol), empty calories and also directly causing tissue damage. David notMD (talk) 20:43, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcohol 

message: Under Bad Bad Article I have explained reasons for deleting the Dufty/Sugar Blues content. The article is not long, but there is not much more to add to the concept. Dietitians and other healthcare professionals find the concept of "empty calories" easy to explain to their patients when trying to describe foods to eat less of or avoid entirely. It is easier to explain than "nutrient density." Also upped the rating in Medicine to C-class. David notMD (talk) 12:50, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: For an online source, look at The Sweetest Poison of Them All where there is a section "Harmful to humans and animals" which almost describes your experiment: in 1793 a shipwreck left sailors with nothing but sugar and rum. The public relations battle over the sweetener has a long history; this article is a late chapter. Reference to earlier dialogue contributes to depth of understanding. — Rgdboer (talk) 21:21, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Can I shipwreck sailors on four islands?  A) Only water; B) Water and sugar; C) Water and rum; D) Water and rum and sugar. Attempts at levity aside, this article is about empty calories, which means calories in the absence or near-absence of essential nutrients. It is not about harm done by the empty calorie foods. There is a Wikipedia article "Sugar Blues." David notMD (talk) 17:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better article? 

message: wrote this for the lede: "The term empty calories is inherentley flawed as both sugar and fat is required for the sustainment of the human body, obesity is a sign of overeating calories no matter what source" citing this source. The sentence is not English grammar, and contains careless spelling (underlining). The source is off topic and does not support the idea. It is not lede material.  has refused discussion and exceeded WP:3RR. --Zefr (talk) 21:12, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement and source about obesity 

message: Some kind of warning should be put on this article. This has to be one of the worst articles I've seen on Wikipedia. It doesn't even adequately explain what the term means, just what it is synonymous with. It relates the term to nutrition but the term itself is referring to calories, a measurement of energy.
https://healthfully.com/360283-recommended-calories-per-day-for-men.html
This source doesn't list a definition at all. It doesn't even mention the term. So the article is poorly sourced to boot. 86.41.241.105 (talk) 18:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pseudo Science the Article