Talk:Salman Khan/Archive 1

message: Dear Editor,
           Salman wasn't born in Mumbai, he was born in Indore at Kalyanmal Nursing Home.
Please correct it.
Nilesh Rathi
:Thanks. Made the change. Jay 09:45, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

message: User Elyaqim added Arabic script notation to the pages of three Bollywood movie stars -- the three Khans (Aamir, Salman, Sharukh). As this is unnecessary and provocative, I have taken the notation and moved it to this discussion page. IMHO, either we have both Arabic and Devanagari script (though I don't see the need) or we have neither. 
Here's the addition:
(سلمان خان)
Zora 01:47, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing provocative Arabic script addition 

message: Hullo other editors! The article has recently been expanded with lots of gossip column material re Salman stalking Aish, fighting with Shahrukh, etc. I edited it down drastically, giving summaries rather than all the ugly details. The article reads better and just seems more ... encyclopedic that way. 
However, it might be a good idea to link to some outside sites that DO give all the ugly details, in case readers want to follow up on this. Anyone have any candidates for links? Zora 21:35, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gossip column material edited down 

message: Jellyfish, a new editor, added a para re Salman being known for his kindness to people. At least part of this seems verifiable to me; I've read an interview with Hrithik Roshan where he said that Salman gave him weight-lifting lessons and encouraged him to act. But the part re Salman visiting cancer wards and such is new to me. Maybe I'm just not reading the right gossip sites <g>. Could Jellyfish sent me to the right ones? As the para reads now, it seems like a fan attempt to deflect attention from the publicized problems. But I could be very wrong ... Zora 23:04, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jellyfish's addition 

message: http://www.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k4/feb/feb246.htm
Salman Khan, who came and auctioned a Zee Cine Award for a cool 450,000 dirhams, raising money for a home for the aged in Mumbai, India.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/28varsha.htm
To give just two instances from the publication itself: "On the other hand, he's been raising funds for Kargil victims, doing his bit for Cancer patients, and generally just being a good boy" (Times of India, August 4, 1999); "One little-known aspect of Salman's life is his various acts of charity. Besides being very generous with his donations, the actor visits AIDS and cancer patients every week" (Filmfare, July 2002 issue).
http://www.indianngos.com/c/cpaa/
Thanks, I appreciate the extra effort. I'm glad I left the para then, as it gives a more rounded picture of Bollywood's bad boy. Zora 02:07, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: References 

message: Nilay, I moved one of your additions, re Salman's physical measurements, up to the new "Trivia" section. I left out the other bit you added, re his favorite things. It seems like it might be a copyright violation, it's something that could change at any moment, so unencyclopedic, and there are a lot of commercial brand names in there. I left the physical measurements bit, but I'm not sure that this is either encyclopedic, or permanent enough to merit inclusion in the article. Three months of eating heavily and not working out and all those measurements could change! I'd like some input from other editors before removing it, however. 
The award stuff is useful -- thank you for adding it! Zora 06:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nilay's additions 

message: contrary to what the clueless newspaper websites are calling them, Blackbuck are not deer, they are antelope (a kind of gazelle). The deer are something he shot on a different occasion. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackbuck 

message: Too many anons were adding the info re the recent jail sentences to the article, even though they were already there. It struck me that the article was badly organized if the anons didn't see the info. I re-organized. This may not be the best way to do it. Anyone else have any ideas? Zora 10:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-organized 

message: I removed all the notes about the movies' net gross. Not only that these kind information belongs into the movie articles, but also I think they are fan glorification in order how "great" a star is compared to others - no other filmography features the net gross. Besides that, Dilwale Dulhanie Le Jayenge was the most successful movie in 1995 and Saudagar the most successful movie in 1991. See  and . Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 20:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest grossers 

message: Starting with the definition of TRIVIA
Noun 1. trivia - something of small importance .
Cited from-http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Trivia
Trivia are unimportant (or "trivial") items, especially of information. 
From-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivia
unimportant matters : trivial facts or details
From-http://m-w.com/dictionary/Trivia
Mr. Plumcouch, It baffles me, how can you demand sources for the section Trivia, there is no Article which cites complete sources for the Trivia section.
If you look carefully at Shahrukh Khan's article for instance, there are many facts presented which lack citations even on the main section.
If you look at Amitabh Bachchan's Article, (only two citations) the Trivia section is full of contributions from Editors who have poured in their local expertise on the subject.
Sitting on a couch in the Western Hemisphere cannot match the Knowledge-a Local Editor posseses on Locally based subjects.
I have noticed the History of your contributions since 2003, and you seem to be content in describing Salman Khan's career in exactly 4 sentences.
If any Editor tries to expand it, you have problems, despite the fact your contributions to articles like Shahrukh Khan has no such issues.
What does it indicate?  
There is a certain Bias against Salman Khan here.
Well Salman Khan is no Plum but one of the most currently successful Superstars in India.
See Box Office India for his status. His Hum Aapke Hain Koun is listed as the 4th Highest all time Grosser in the History of Bollywood.
Ahead of any other Khan or any present actor in Bollywood.
See-http://boxofficeindia.com/alltime.htm
I'm afraid, you cannot mantain double standards to Salman Khan, even if you don't like him individually.
The language in the contributions you have used in his article oozes of bias against him.
If you ask for citations for the Trivia section, better provide sources for each and every sentence in the Shahrukh Khan article and the Trivia section in Amitabh Bachchan article.
If you can, then I shall provide you the same for Salman Khan Title Prem in Trivia section.
It is not possible for an editor to come up with sources for every information provided, based on practical and local knowledge gathered from years of reading Newspapers, biographies and other sources of reliable information and certainly not from film gossips.
Let me throw a challenge to you.
1) If you can prove that lead Characters were popularly titled PREM in Bollywood Cinema before Maine Pyar Kiya, 1989. I shall revoke my claims.
You can use Wikipedia to verify every actors Title Name before 1989.
2) If you can prove that babies were popularly named Pran, till date after the veteran actor,
( You won't find even half a dozen) I shall rubbish my own claims. This was an excerpt from an Interview with the actor himself in a leading Indian English Daily few years back.
Pran himself providing the Interesting Trivia about the name being unpopular amongst baby names.
Where can one source that article from now? If I knew you will ask for it then, I could have cut it then.
3) If you can prove that Amitabh Bachchan has not alone popularised the Title VIJAY the
most in India Cinema, I shall revoke my claims. {It is a locally known fact in India}
You can use Wikipedia for the same.
That is all that I have meant there.
Better sense will prevail if you understand the fact that Local knowledge is superior to Alien knowledge. And that, it is virtualy impossible to produce sources to every information in the
Articles.
That way Lord Gautama Buddha's teachings can be rubbished by someone like you, as all his teachings were recorded later by his followers by keeping memories of his Oral Teachings.
-LuckyS-
::Hello, LuckyS,
::Information about the popularity of given and first names should go into an article of the name. For an example, see article Eric (name) or Sundeep. Claiming that Salman Khan has influenced the usage of a certain name is a far claim; I believe this needs a reference. As for the other articles: lots of articles lack of references - people are constantly working on that. I just happened to stumble over Salman Khan's article.
::As for "knowledge" a Local Editor posseses on Locally based subjects", please see here: 
::I was among the editors who looked after the article so it hasn't just "four lines": 
::Male leads with the name Prem before 1989:
::As for Amitabh Bachchan popularising the name Vijay: If you can provide references, just add the info to the article Vijay (name) or newly create it.
::Knowledge is never surperior or inferior, it just is. If you disagree with my oppinions, why don't you contact users User:Zora, User:Slytime or User:Pa7, who are very active in the project Indian Cinema.
::Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 20:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion is completely ridiculous. Its not about whether Salman Khan really popularized the name Prem or not, its about whether it is worthy enough to include this piece of information in this article? Remember, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. The information being made available here should be credible and noteworthy. And LuckyS, why are you become so passionate about this small thing? And by the way, most of the times, it's the director who gets to choose the name of the character not the actor who is protraying the concerned character in the film. Another point, Salman Khan has popularized a lot of names like Raj, Sameer etc. What's the big deal about Prem? --Incman|वार्ता 01:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ALL ABOUT PREM