Talk:Vikram Batra

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message: , I assume you're working on this with an eye to GA status, based on the level of detail currently in the article. A lot of work has clearly gone into it, and even if you weren't thinking of nominating it, I think it's not far. However, I wanted to flag two concerns; first, a heavy reliance on the book by his father, which is obviously not an intellectually independent source, no matter how careful he may have been in his research; and second, a tendency toward flowery language, that probably reflects that of the source material, but is a problem nonetheless. I've made some copy-edits, but I don't really have the time to go over the prose in more detail, so I wanted to bring these up here. Regards, Vanamonde (Talk) 14:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Vanamonde, your words are appreciated, but so far as your concerns pertain to the use of GL Batra's book, let us get it straight, it's been cited as a source only for rather uncontroversial facts relevant to Batra's early life, especially facts that are easily found in other sources, and is in fact accompanied by secondary sources wherever deemed necessary. In other words, such use of the source is in compliance with the dictates of WP:PRIMARY and also apposite.As for the rest, the last time I worked on this article was three years ago, so it's been a long time. While I do intend to finish what I started four years ago solo, and bring this article to high standards, it will be quite sometime before I recommence my work: there is still a lot of work to be done, and copyediting is just one facet of the residual work. Hopefully another time. I'm tied up with real life work and other commitments for the foreseeable future, with little leisure on my hands for Wikipedia, let alone research. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 07:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue with primary sources isn't just of accuracy, but emphasis and language. Primary sources are usable when their lack of intellectual independence makes no difference.  is cited to four sources, three of which are his parents: this isn't appropriate. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The "brilliant at studies" bit actually comes straight from the Rawat source, pp. 266–267, cited for it; so does the clause setting forth the subject's sporting adventures, which the source notes in the same breath. Rawat is a reliable secondary source for the information, but I can understand where you are coming from. Just so we're clear, is your objection limited to the use of the epithet "brilliant"? Let it be paraphrased then. I would not quarrel with it. I suggest rewording it to: "Besides his academic excellence..." Are we on the same page now? MBlaze Lightning (talk) 17:19, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue isn't with a single sentence, as the usage of flowery language sourced to non-independent sources. The rephrasing you suggest is good, but a similar approach needs to be applied to most of the text. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:21, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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