Talk:LGBT themes in speculative fiction

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http://www.sfcrowsnest.com/sfnews2/03_sept/review0903_30.shtml  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.169.58.98 (talk) 13:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Useful for refs?

message: We (echo...echo...) are now on our way to making a featured topic on this. I just got our first featured list (with the Lambda awards for SF/F/H), with 2 more from the Gaylactic awards on the way. 
I'm currently working on the gaylactic network / gaylaxicon / Spectrum award articles to get them to GA, then i think that should be enough. Any collaborators would be great!YobMod 11:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: featured topic

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replies: text: Added rational at image page.Yobmod (talk) 09:23, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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message: I noticed a couple of edits going back and forth between regional spellings. In case anyone wants to know, this article is written in UK English throughout, but only because i wrote it and that's the English i was taught. I consider this to be an international subject (US, UK, Canadian, Australian works are included), so think there is not cultural claim for any regional dialect, but don't particularly care which it is written in. 'But if someone changes things to US spelling, it would be nice for them to apply this throughout the article, and to be around for the FAC if any question about US grammar come up. Oh, and please discuss on talk page first :-).Yobmod (talk) 13:08, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Retaining_the_existing_variety is a sensible guideline. If it's written in British English, there's no point in changing to another regional spelling. --Julle (talk) 23:44, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: UK/US English

message: The television series Caprica has a male character, Sam Adama, who is in a same-sex marriage, and a female character, Clarice Willow ("Sister Clarice") who is in a polyamorous marriage with four men and three women. If anyone can find solid references, this should be added to the Television section. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 17:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caprica 

message: I'm not equipped to write it in context, but I'm wondering why this article doesn't mention George Nader's Chrome (1978) ??  I'm adding it to the List of LGBT-themed speculative fiction, but maybe someone could flesh it out here.  That book really blew my mind!!
Friarslantern (talk) 00:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no Chrome? 

message: Don't tell me we have an LGBT themes page in speculative fiction but nothing of the kind for fiction in general! Is there really nothing beyond the short LGBT Literature page? K. the Surveyor (talk) 06:11, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Speculative fiction is a mainstream genre that has long been open to non-mainstream concepts and social conventions. As such, the topic of LGBT-themed speculative fiction has been deemed sufficiently noteworthy for the Wikipedia. If you would like to create a parallel article that coveres LGBT themes in general fiction, which does not duplicate this or related articles. you are encouraged to do so. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 13:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I am not suggesting that the page is not notable. Obviously if it has been rated as a good article then the sources must be up to snuff at least for notability. I was just wondering if there was any analogue for fiction in general. Apparently there is none on Wikipedia and many people are very enthusiastic about specifically speculative fiction. K. the Surveyor (talk) 19:14, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is "LGBT themes in fiction"?  

message: Does "adolescent male readers" mean "heterosexual adolescent male readers"? It seems like it must, in which case "heterosexual" should be added. Wakablogger2 (talk) 06:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the source, The Encyclopedia of Fantasy, identify the readers as "hetrosexual"? Because if it doesn't, then Wikipedia can't either. Inserting such an adjective without backing from the source would be a violation of all three of Wikipeida's core policies (Verifiability, No original research, and Neutral point of view). —Farix (t | c) 14:39, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is actually The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction; the cited passage is actually talking about Analog Science Fiction and Fact, specifically, though I think the article is within its rights to extend this to the whole sf field, since the source does talk about the prudishness of the field in general.  There is no implication of heterosexuality in the source -- the point seems to be that much of Analogs readership were young.  I think it says "adolescent males" rather than "adolescents" because the readership was overwhelmingly male. Mike Christie (talk – library) 14:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  adolescent male readers 

message: The history of this page relating principly to gay male speculative fiction seems very obvious. Lesbian fiction is much less represented whilst bi and trans fiction are relabled and represented as lesbian and gay. Trans and bi communities often present a challenge to the Lesbian and gay communities and this seems to be reflected in the way the page is written. 
To take a single example in Buffy the vampire slayer a bisexual woman: Willow has a relationship with a lesbian woman: Tara. Yet this is written about as an exclusivly lesbian relationship despite her previous realtionships with men. Yes their are issues around people sexuality changing and in cannon willow carries on forming relationships with women e.g. kennedy however in fan fiction she is often portrayed as bisexual. Her sexual identity is contested and the article should reflect that. For a more literal. In written fiction there is "the door into" series by diane duane where all the characters are explicitly bisexual, the principle characters having multiple bisexual relationships between them. 
As for trans, their are numerous trans characters from all kinds of speculative fiction, none of which have been mentioned. One classic example is the left hand of darkness - yes they are hermaphrodite i.e. intersex but their is strong intersection between intersex and trans. Another example are the works of John Varley who describes universes where body can be changed at will. In thedara house marion zimmer bradley writes about a woman who lives as a man. Transgender images abound in speculative fiction yet known of it seems to be represented in the article.
I am writing this in the hope that it will stimulate discussion of how we can make this article truly represent the LGBT communities in speculative fiction not just one aspect of it X-mass (talk) 11:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  trans and Bi exclusion  

message: "Science fiction and fantasy have traditionally been puritanical genres" 
Scifi and Fantasy have been THE go-to genre for EVERYTHING non-puritanical. Much of scifi in particular is basically written by hormones. 06:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
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