Talk:Hong Kong/Archive 6

message: Looks like we need to add something in the Sports section.  It's completely empty!  Hong Qi Gong 15:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The sports section was added by Petepetepete a couple days ago. Though I doubt whether it deserve a section in the main article since sports is not an important part of Hong Kong. In fact, to my opinion, not many Hong Kongers pay attention to local sports. --WinHunter (talk) 15:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, not many people in HK care about sports...  unless you also count horseracing.  Hahhah, but that's more like gambling.  But there's certainly enough content to at least put up a seperate article and a little section here.  Check this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sport_in_Hong_Kong.  Hong Qi Gong 17:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports! 

message: I'm wondering what the HK's law for immigration? and how long do you have to stay in HK in order to be a permanent citizen?triumph2004 July 14, 2006 0:18am —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.105.243.92  (talk • contribs) 07:24, July 14, 2006 (UTC)   .
You need seven years of permanent stay to be eligable for permanent residentship. You could try marrying into HK. You can also try to be an II (illegal imigrant) like my Grans:) Hylas Chung 08:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Touch Base Policy for IIs was changed in the early 1980s. :-) — Instantnood 19:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immigration Laws 

message: Hi. I have made general adjustments to Hong Kong related pages. If anyone sees anything too messy please correct me. Hylas Chung 09:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly you've done? Can you provide diff links or a link to your edit history? Thanks. — Instantnood 20:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: General style adjustments

message: As Hong Kong is currently governed by the "one country, two systems" rule which implies a 'western' legal system (based on former UK laws), does this mean that Hong Kong and Macau do not have death penalty? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.65.192.6  (talk • contribs) 11:45, 17 July 2006  (UTC)
:I can tell you with certainty that Hong Kong does not have death penalty and only have life sentence as the maximum sentence. For Macau, although I am not 100% sure, I don't think there is death sentence there either. (but it's law is based on Portuguese ones though) --WinHunter (talk) 13:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not generally, no.  But the red authorities have claimed jurisdiction over a criminal when a crime, or part of a crime, was committed in red china. AFAIK, they have never had Hong Kong send someone over to them, only people arrested within the mainland. SchmuckyTheCat 20:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: No. Hong Kong is its own legal jurisdiction. — Instantnood 20:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes and like the individual states in the U.S.A and Australia the Chinese authorities need to extradite an individual to the mainland through the courts, as china has authority over foreign affairs and defence only. Enlil Ninlil 04:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital punishment in Hong Kong 

message: Hi. I tried to do some editing on the NLP (neurolinguistic programming) article. But there is an editor there who keeps calling me a sockpuppet. There were HK sockpuppets there some months ago who were banned. The usercheck did not show me to be sockpuppeting. The article is not being improved by that editor at all and it is easy to get it in shape if I am allowed.  I want to know; is that editor allowed to block all Hong Kong editors? It looks like he is anti-HK to me. What is your thinking? Hylas Chung 07:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just curious, but why are some HKers so fond of using words like "Anti-HK" for any conceivable reason? It is a rather strong word to use, and to slap it on a user who is just trying to resolve vandalism problems in that article?--Huaiwei 14:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you having such impression? Who are the "some Hongkongers"? — Instantnood 21:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because "some HKers" (or rather too many then I would have tought normal) are giving me this impression. Why are you curious to know who they are, unless you are one too?--Huaiwei 13:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Huaiwei. I think nobody is looking for arguments. There is a rule in NPOV that articles should not be Anglo-American. It is quite mildly statement. It should be much stronger. It is a bigger problem than is stated. The NLP article has an editor with that problem. There is no vandalism there at all. Just an editor who wants to claim I am a vandal just so he can promote his beliefs. I made good edits with good sources. So check the facts first. There is a big problem with that article. It is mostly because an editor there is making the most of the opportunity after socks were banned to push his point of view. Hylas Chung 05:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Perhaps this should be brought to WP:HKWNB. This talk page is for matters related to the Hong Kong article. — Instantnood 21:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Instantnood. Your suggestion is helpful. I did notice there are some blocked editors from outside HK though. So I reported the abuser to the Admin notice board instead. I hope they see the problem. It needs no more mention on this article. The Anglo-American issue is important though. Hylas Chung 05:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blocking all HK editors?

message: ::This makes supposely final ruling of the judicial system to be not final, since any decision it make is subject to reversal by the NPC:SC by means of basic law interpretation.
This actually isn't true.  An interpretation of the NPCSC is a legislative act rather than a judicial and does not change the status of cases already decided.  
Roadrunner 22:20, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed statement on CfA rulings 

message: I have quite a few pictures I've taken of Hong Kong and would be glad to add them to the article, but I'm not sure whether Wikipedia really wants pictures I guess and I haven't quite figured out how to add them.  Basically, would it be appreciated or just take up space if I added one or two.  I don't mind if it's inappropriate or something, that's why I'm asking :D. Omishark 03:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: I've revamped and given new direction to the WikiProject Hong Kong page. Feel free to invite more people to join. The more people the more effective. Be sure to also try and tag as many Hong Kong-related articles as possible with the WikiProject Hong Kong infobox found on the project page. Looking forward to working with you all. Luke! 19:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Hong Kong]] 

message: Some problems:
"Culture" and "Religion" should be put into "Demographics" (as with other similar articles). "Climate" can go be trimmed then merged with "Geography" - not every 1000km square on Earth needs a specific mentioning of its climate. Most sections need to be trimmed into about 2/3 or less of its size - the article is far, far too long. Most sections has its own main articles so we don't need to put all the numbers and datas here. 
The lead is also very long. Half of the first paragraph deals with the naming (Hongkong, Hong Kong, blah) - definitely not necessary. The lead should be able to summarize the article and show the notability of Hong Kong, and is not a place to put all the "un-sectionized" materials into.
There's also some weasel words in the article - e.g. "Hong Kong is China's richest region", "This is reflected in all aspects of the culture", "Due to the creative destruction so endemic to Hong Kong", "Hong Kong has never had its own military forces because it has never been a sovereign state, except voluntary auxiliary force like The Royal Hong Kong Regiment (The Volunteers)." 
A thorough cleanup is needed. Thanks. Aran|heru|nar 13:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you do it then. Thanks. Astrophil 18:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many sections + too long lead + weasel words 

message: What's the point of the comparison to Hawaii's latitude in the climate section? I don't think a scattered archipelago in the middle of the ocean works well as a reference point; even Hong Kong itself would do better...--cloviz 02:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hawaii somehow, indeed, could count as the best reference point in the altitude range besides Hong Kong. --Deryck C. 09:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Tropic of Cancer is enough reference: Hong Kong's location right in the south of it clearly explains its position barely between the tropics. Having another place as reference point is out of place and biased.--cloviz 15:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hawaii 

message: Is this page eligible for version 1.0 release nom? - jlao 04 11:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version 1.0 release nom? 

message: On 'Religion' on the last sentence it reads: "Interestingly, it is not uncommon for living room to have a Crucifix........" it should be "Interestingly, it is not uncommon for a living room to have a
:Done.--cloviz 22:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Mistake 

message: Just wondering: do we really want an animated GIF image of the Bruce Lee statue? I found it rather annoying as it changed while I was trying to read the article. Perhaps one high resolution image with a scaled down version for the article would make more sense than an GIF animation? Klepas 10:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally think that this image doesn't create any disturbance.  Why did you say that? This is a pretty small image and it is under the category of "Culture" only. leungli 20:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's flickering and distracting to the reader. _dk 01:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the photo.  Please give me comment, thanks!!! leungli 06:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruce Lee statue image 

message: The panorama photo of the Hong Kong Island skyline is indeed beautiful, but it pushes the main content down and leaves a lot of whitespace on the page. The layout of the version before this was added (from October 20, 2006) looked a lot better. I suggest moving the panorama image under the Architecture section. Does anyone agree? KeL 02:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you didn't fix the text size, did you?  you had better fix it to "largest" and you can see there is no space left.  For the older version of this topic (i.e. the one on 20th Oct, 2006) I personally don't prefer.  I dunno, probably somebody else would like to have other opinions. leungli 03:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Welw move the picture, I believe it made the article more interesting and captivative near the introduction. Enlil Ninlil 02:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Panorama photo

message: Would it be better to use the HKO's data instead of weather.com? (1961-1990 data, 1971-2000 data) Insanephantom 13:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I concur.  I'll fix my chart later today --UCLARodent 20:04, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated the table to show HKO's data. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 02:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weather Averages for Hong Kong 

message: 1)
I delete all the categories referring macau as a country and nation.The reason is as follows
Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China which clearly demonstrates Hongkong is a subdivision of People's Republic of China,not a country, a nation  or a state.Despite Hongkong  is a Dependent territory within China
see the exemple of Åland and Svalbard which donn't include any category of country or nation.
2)
I delete the British empire category which I found the exsitence of this tag without reason.See India and United States which were also a part of British empire,but in this page no the tag of brithish empire.--Ksyrie 23:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You should remove Hong Kong and Macau from those templates then.  But if they exist on those templates, then those templates should be included on their articles.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The nature of Hongkong

message: I see that User:Alfeewusy has recently done a number of edits to the article.  While I see that most of them have been structural in nature, it might be good if some of these edits are discussed here before-hand, because this article is a featured article, and it would be nice if it stayed that way.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 09:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A featured article also has room for improvement if necessary. All I have done were constructive edits. A formal structure of Geographic Article begins Introduction, History, Geography & Climate then followed by others.  Thanks!--Alfeewusy 10:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course featured articles have room for improvement, but one editor doesn't dictate what improves an article.  I was just saying that some discussion would be great, because improvements are best achieved through collaborative efforts.  Anyway, thanks for the edits.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 11:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:Alfeewusy's edits 

message: It seems to me the external links section is getting out of hand. Only the most relevent links, such as the HK government home page, should be kept. Please have a look at Wikipedia:External links, which says: [Avoid] sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject: it should be a simple exercise to show how the link is directly and symmetrically related to the article's subject. This means that there is both a relation from the website to the subject of the article, and a relation from the subject of the article to the website. For example, the officially sanctioned online site of a rock band has a direct and symmetric relationship to that rock band, and thus should be linked from the rock band's Wikipedia article. Most of the links in that section can be removed based on this guideline. KeL 21:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have significantly cleaned up the External Links section. I have folitered the external links down to those subjects that have specific in-article mentions. Luke! 02:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links section

message: About this sentence:
:Hong Kong's 68-month-long deflationary spiral, the longest and highest deflation according to Guinness World Records, ended in mid-2004, with consumer price inflation hovering at near zero levels
You would think that it would be easy to find an online reference for this, especially the Guinness record, but I spent about half an hour searching and could not find any.  Can anybody else find a verifiable source for this?  It might not be verifiable online, but the information is probably in either the 2003 or 2004 edition of the Guinness World Records book.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Guinness removed roughly half a year ago many of the content on its website. The hyperlink  is, however, still quoted many where on the Internet. - Privacy 20:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, since this is a featured article and I'd like to keep it that way, I've removed mention of the Guinness World Records because we can't seem to verify it anymore.  I've also added a new reference for the end of deflation in 2004.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the fact that the link is widely cited, it's adequately convincing that the information was once on Guinness' website. I myself have read that webpage too. Don't think it's appropriate to remove that piece of information simply because Guinness removed content from its website. — Instantnood 19:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a problem of WP:VERIFY though.  And maybe my Googling skills just aren't very good, but I couldn't find even third-party information to reference this supposedly "widely cited" fact.  By all means, if you can find a source for it, please add it back in with a reference.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you put it back, or provide any diff links? — Instantnood 11:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for deflation record 

message: Hong Kong is so cool! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.30.137.138 (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hong Kong 

message: Minor suggestion: Does anyone think the international rankings section should be separated into its own article, perhaps titled International rankings of Hong Kong? Several other countries already have such articles, listed in List of international rankings. Right now this information feels a little out of place in the main Hong Kong article. KeL 23:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be useful and encyclopedic to have this information on a separate article. However, it is of no use if it is just a reproduction of what is on the main article. It will have to be more comprehensive for it to be useful. Nonetheless, I think its still important to have some of the more recognized and important rankings on the Hong Kong article; as the Hong Kong article is meant to serve as an overview and it will also provide a good lead-in into the International rankings of Hong Kong. Luke! 04:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: International rankings

message: What is the actual number of islands in Hong Kong? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.60.125.84 (talk) 19:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Geography of Hong Kong.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No. of islands? 

message: "Despite the territory's extensive wooded and ocean setting, environmental awareness is growing as Hong Kong's air ranks as one of the most polluted."
I think this line is somewhat confused. Does anyone have any objections to me changing it to:
"Despite the territory's extensive wooded and ocean setting, environmental awareness is low but growing as Hong Kong's air ranks as one of the most polluted."
Not perfect but better.  Joepgray 08:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's better. The best way to test is to do the edit and see if anyone reverts. --Deryck C. 09:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Geography section change

message: Recently the images in the History section were all made to align to the right. I know it was done in good faith, but unfortunately it created the problem of "image stackups" on wider screens, as described in Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. The standard practice for long sections with multiple images is to alternate between left and right alignment to avoid the above problem. So for now I am changing it back. Personally I think it also looks better that way. Does anyone have another idea? KeL 04:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree, but I’ve re-positioned the images a bit to avoid both sides have images in the same paragraph, cause that will appear a little busy.--Alfeewusy 05:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images in History section

message: Kelw - while I actually like your edit to the economy section, it would be nice if you discussed it next time before you do that kind of overhauling to a section.  This article is at FA status and it would be nice for it to stay that way.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:05, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that I look back I agree it was indeed a large cleanup to perform without making a discussion here. I'll do that next time, sorry. It was just that the section was so filled with boosterism nonsense and randomly arranged information, it didn't really feel FA-class. In fact, I noticed some other sections have declined in quality since the article was awarded FA status. So I encourage the editors to discuss ways to improve the article before this becomes a problem. — Kelw (talk) 15:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely.  That section really didn't read like FA-class material until you cleaned it up.  Nice work.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

text: This reveals how ignorant some editors may happen to be. Nominal and PPP figures can be very different. - Privacy 18:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up of Economy section by Kelw 

message: Can someone take a look at Helena May and make some much needed improvements/updates?  Thanks
Tom M. 04:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This request has also been posted at WikiProject Hong Kong.Luke! 00:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Helena May

message: Due to the recent insertion of the memorial image in the History Section, it seems too much and caused an unreadable problem. So, I’ve removed one not too related image from this section, and I’ve re-positioned the images a bit to avoid it appears a little busy.--Alfeewusy 11:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have restored the image arrangement that was in place for a long time before the war memorial image was added, which was when the whitespace problem began. I feel this is the most appropriate arragement, and certainly good enough for the article to get featured. I encourage editors to be careful with adding new pictures in the future. I've checked that this arrangement should not create any whitespace in the text, please let me know if it does on your display. — Kelw (talk) 17:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images re-positioning in History Section

message: Am I the only one who thinks there are too many pictures on this article?  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. And many of the image captions also need improvement. The problem is due to some editors adding their own photos recently. — Kelw (talk) 17:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Here are some suggestions: The Hong Kong Observatory logo is probably not needed in the Climate section, as is the Hong Kong Park picture in the Geography section (the map is probably enough). The little picture of Donald Tsang in the Government section seems a bit in the way and may be recentism. I think it can be removed because there are already pictures of government buildings and political activity in the section that are more representative. The pictures of banknotes and coins in the Economy section are not that important and can be removed. I would also suggest getting rid of one of the pictures in the Culture section. — Kelw (talk) 18:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there are too many pictures in this topic.  On the other hand, I found "words" are too many and too long.  What do you think?  refer to the topic Canada and Singapore, banknotes and coins can be seen under the topic of economy.  Somebody would like to know and figure out who the CE of Hong Kong is and thus the pic of Donald Tsang is quite necessary to put it for us to know.   Why do you want to get rid of some pictures in the culture section?  I didn't see any good reasons you provided.  Waiting for your feedback!  thanks!72.138.191.63 04:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The photo in the history section showing the monument to fallen soldiers should be removed.  It's too big and there's already a photo about the Japanese occupation.  Other than this, I think it's fine --UCLARodent 05:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and I'm removing that picture. It's not a bad image, but it should probably be placed in a subarticle. — Kelw (talk) 14:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I also think that other sections' pictures shouldn't be removed, cause appropriate images insertion can make balance to the long text. It just seems too many in the History section previously. But now is looking good after it has been restored. It's not a problem if there have text between two pictures as long as not both sides have images aligned in the same paragraph. Alfeewusy 05:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  The War memorial image should remain. It is relevent as an encyclopaedic record  of how those of all races who died under the Japanese are commemerated and of the fact that post 1997 that commemeration remains. PaddyBriggs 16:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is saying it is not relevent, but as the top of this discussion page reads, the article is intended only as an introduction, not for all issues related to Hong Kong. It is nice that you have taken this picture and uploaded it but consider placing it in a related page. In fact, an image similar to yours is already found in the Battle of Hong Kong article. — Kelw (talk) 16:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: PaddyBriggs, please don't add that photo back...at least not yet.  Let's defer to the community first to see if there's consensus.  Although it's a nice photo, it is redundant (there's already a photo about the occupation).  By all means, put it on the page for the Japanese Occupation or History of Hong Kong.  But it doesn't belong in the History section of a GENERAL article of Hong Kong.  One of your edits say that you want that photo to commemorate the fallen.  That's a nice sentiment but this is an encyclopedia to display facts, not emotions or agendas.  --UCLARodent 21:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many pictures 

message: (discussion carried forward from :zh-yue:Talk:香港, an ongoing translation of this page) From the geography section: "the territory has been called one of the greenest cities in Asia.[7]" Ref 7 does not give any supporting evidence of this claim. --Deryck C. 05:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think there are too many unsourced boosterisms such as this one, and they tend to weaken the quality of the article. — Kelw (talk) 15:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probably wrong content, or wrong ref 

message: By request, the history paragraphs are now shortened since the History of Hong Kong section is now completely redone with a framework from pre-historic all the way to the present 2007.  Other reasons for change include
* Things such as would-be proposals that never finalized should not be in the frontpage.
* It is not right to make projections about 2047 in the history section.  Wikipedia's policy of crystal ball into the future is not recommended.
* Plenty of statistics showed mass migration happened year s before Tiananmen Square 1989.  Overwhelming # of sources say handover panic was.
* Most facts are moved to their respective pages, 80s, 90s etc.
* Dates are now pretty much generic by year.  There were huge discrepencies in listing some events by full date, english format, us format, short dates.
* Grammar and spelling fixed.  Every sentence shortened.
* Previously events were not balanced.  5 or 6 sentences were dedicated to politics.  0 sentences on bird flu for example.  
Benjwong 06:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some clean-up of your edits.  A big blank space was left in the middle of the History section, because of where the images were placed.  Please be careful with image placements in the future when you're shortening text.  Also, some of the shortening you did made the statements confusing without further clarification, so I added some specific information back in.  There were also some POV issues that were there before your edit, and I tried to take care of them too.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 08:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I took this chance to add a paragraph on the 1967 riots. I'm surprised this wasn't in the section before, since it's probably the most important segment of Hong Kong's history after the handover and the Japanese occupation. — Kelw (talk) 15:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: There are still a lot of problems with balance. There is too much information on specific events after 1997; the airport alone occupied one paragraph. I took out the Disneyland paragraph because I really don't find that historically important. Even though this is just a summary, maybe there should be a few mentions of significant events in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s. — Kelw (talk) 18:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The opening of the airport is arguably significant, as it's one of the most expensive public works in history, and the airport has been rated the number 1 in the world for a few years in a row.  But maybe the thing to do is not to list significant events, but just to give a generalised view of the different decades and time periods.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I trimmed it out some more.  I think depending on your discussion, any particular item can be considered "most important".  It is still too long, technically any event should be 1 line.  But I am really not sure how much more can be cut out.  For the average non-HK citizen the 97 coverage was too detailed.  It reads like 50% politics and treaties still.  Benjwong 19:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice job with the trimming. I think the overall length of the section is still acceptable, since it's only a bit longer than most of the other sections. Let's try to find the right balance first. And like you said, I think the post-97 coverage is too detailed. — Kelw (talk) 20:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History Section is Shortened