Talk:Perion Network

message: I was wondering if i could add http://www.oldapps.com/incredimail.htm here.
This is the only site that provides old version of incredimail.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.120.168.86 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. You have been spamming oldapps.com for a long time, and it's not constructive to the purpose of an encyclopedia. Haakon 10:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add external link? 

message: "Contrary to some people's speculation, IncrediMail is not malware." This is highly debatable... 201.19.223.77 02:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In response to all this, I'd like to note something.  I work for Geek Squad, and hadn't heard of Incredimail before today... when a client called in complaining that Incredimail had taken over her computer.  Examining things revealed that this was true... it had hijacked her browser, was using up huge amounts of resources, and basically slowed her system to a crawl and prevented her from doing anything, while insinuating itself into everything she did.  As such...Firstly; there's a HUGE difference between 'uses a nontrivial amount of resources to perform needed functions' and 'is a resource hog that prevents the user from doing anything'.  Based on the client's complains and my own assessment of things, Incredimail clearly belongs to the latter category.  You don't need that much power to run a mail client, but you DO need it to spy on a user without their consent and control their computer in malicious ways.Secondly; email programs don't need to be in startup.  Anything that you can run yourself when you need it doesn't need to be in startup.  The only things that should be in startup is the software you need to run your hardware, security software to defend yourself from threats, and (grudgingly) a handful of other things that may come up on an individual basis that you need to run your particular machine.  Anything else just slows you down.  Being in startup, in and of itself, doesn't mean malware, but all malware wants to be in startup, because it can't spy on you otherwise.Thirdly; calling home.  Any sort of 'phone-home-ware' should be carefully scrutinized.  Occasional update checking may be permitted for vital software only, but spying on the user may not.  Incredimail seems to be an example of the latter; there's other reason it should be using as much bandwidth as it does.  I haven't given it a conclusive enough examination to prove it as spyware (that's not my job), but there's a good lot of evidence to suggest such.Fourthly; using the registry.  There is a difference between the way that normal programs use the registry and the way Incredimail (ab)uses the registry.  I spent over an hour manually removing instances of Incredimail from my client's registry.  There had to me more then a thousand entires there.  Nothing else does that.  The most really awful and insidious malware doesn't do that.  That is an order of magnitude more registry entries then even the biggest legitimate program should ever need, barring only Windows itself.  That's why it's too much.Fifthly; their privacy policy explicitly allows them to do this.  No legitimate company has such a scummy policy, and their program certainly does enough to allow this.  I can't conclusively prove that it does this, but there's evidence enough to more then suggest that it does.Finally; the uninstallation.  It won't uninstall itself.  You need to manually expurge it if you want it gone.  This takes even trained professionals a long time; based on it's malicious and irresponsible poisoning of the registry.  And the fact that it won't uninstall itself is one of the other black marks of malware.Make your own conclusion on the matter, but I've made mine... and would suggest that the controversy at least be mentioned in the article.Endovior 04:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incredimail isn't malware 

message: Actual Excerpt from the EULA (End User License Agreement)  you agree to when you install Incredimail:
"10. UNSOLICITED MATERIALS
Any confidential, secret or proprietary information or other material submitted or sent to IncrediMail, including without limitation via any Message sent by You through the Service, Site, or IncrediMail's physical mail and e-mail addresses, or in any other way, will be deemed to be not confidential or secret. By submitting or sending information or other material to IncrediMail or by posting information on any portion of the Service you (a) Warrant that you have all rights of any kind to the material and that to the best of your knowledge no other party has any rights to the material; and (b) Grant IncrediMail an unrestricted, perpetual, irrevocable license to use, reproduce, display, perform, modify, transmit and distribute the material, and you further agree that IncrediMail is free to use any ideas, know-how, concepts or techniques you send us or post on the Service for any purpose, without any compensation to you or any other person."
The End User License Agreement (EULA) is a legally binding contract between the End User (you) and the software provider (in this case Incredimail).
IncrediMail® is a registered trademark of IncrediMail LTD.
Yea, tell me this stuff is a great product to use huh?
~~Brody~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.46.52 (talk • contribs) 04:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excerpt from an old version of the Incredimail EULA (no longer present in this form) 

message: I am not a member of any forums (that i like) and this might help others so here it goes.
Somehow the kind of creepy developers of I.M. found where my computer was and now everytime i start my computer there is an orange envelope icon telling me to install, even if i delete it. How do i make it so it is deleted pernamently? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.115.179 (talk • contribs) 00:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're using some version of Windows, I assume?  Simple enough; it has to be starting from somewhere, and general startup is the most likely culprit.  Run MSConfig, and check your startup items.  Get rid of everything you don't recognize/approve of.  That's the free version.  The $129 version involves a six-hour exorcism; I do it all day, every day.  Endovior (talk) 13:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting rid of "Incredimail installation" 

message: /begin proposed change/ - Jrssystemsnet 15:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed changes to the article 

message: * IncrediMail website
* German IncrediMail Helpsite
:Category:Windows email clients
es:Incredimail
fr:IncrediMail
ro:Incredimail
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/end proposed change/ Jrssystemsnet 15:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is obvious controversy about the EULA, as shown by the fact there is a discussion here about it. I think it is fair there should be comment about the "suspicions". However, I think it is unprofessional and against Wikipedia principals to quote something we can't link to and say "it's not online right now...."Also, reading over this EULA, it appears to say the software MAY BE VULNERABLE to certain risks, not suggesting the company are practicing those risks. That is 100% fair. Isn't it?Siteadvisor.com (http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/incredimail.com) ranks incredimail safe 100%. I think we also need to add a reference to someone who labels them as Spyware to show the controversy, but it has to be under  Wikipedia guidelines of fair, verifiable quotes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keepitreal74 (talk • contribs) 21:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: This article was completely rewritten as a pure advertising brochure last week by User:Sheerian.  I slashed and burned it pretty heavily to try to return it to something resembling a wikipedia article, hopefully with a reasonably neutral pov.  NOTE: the edits made by Sheerian were his/her first wiki edits ever, and given the heavy use of relatively advanced markup tags, sheer number of links back to corporate press releases, and tone of the article as a complete re-write I have to suspect the origin was most likely Incredimail Ltd. itself.  --Jrssystemsnet (talk) 08:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series of very heavy edits just now 

message: This page and its non-capitalized partner, Incredimail, talk about the exact same thing, but they're two different articles. Merge? --Gp75motorsports REV LIMITER 15:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Incredimail was a redirect to IncrediMail until User:Sheerian edited it into a clone of the brochure-like rewrite s/he did here. --Jrssystemsnet (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: I noticed that SweetIM is substantially similar to IncrediMail both in its style of home page, the nature of its spyware/malwareness, and near word for word similarity of some of the scarier terms in its license agreement. And it does have its license agreement on the vendor home page. --ssd (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "I noticed that SweetIM is substantially similar to IncrediMail" but much better than Incredimail - too bad it is not offered for outlook.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Boston20 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  SweetIM 

message: Shouldn't the article mention the fact that the Incredimail mail stores use a proprietary format, and that there's no convenient way to convert those to move to another e-mail product? MCBastos (talk) 16:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proprietary format 

message: Trying to clean up the references on this article. Can't find anything about controversy around the updated Privacy Policy, only around the previous Policy (and that controversy lead to the change). Does anyone know anything offhand? --FeldBum (talk) 14:13, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Of the 13 sources:
*10 are to IncrediMail's website
*2 are to blogs
*1 is to Microsoft's support site.
This doesn't come even close to establishing notability. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability and sources 

message: I would like to remind editors of WP:SELFPUB, which states:
Most of the sources cited are self-published (which violates #5) & many of them are not "about themselves" (which violates #2). These have been tagged as such, and will be progressively eliminated until the article complies with #2 & #5.
I would further point out that many of the new sources introduced (e.g. www.crunchbase.com , www.sharewarejunkies.com , seekingalpha.com ) do not appear to be particularly reliable. I would also note that some of the older ones, on closer examination are likewise unreliable (e.g. the NYT Financial website's mere repetition of the company's self-descriptive blurb). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 13:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:SELFPUB & WP:RS 

message: Since there is little WP:RS information on this topic, I am proposing merging it into the article on the company that created this email client, IncrediMail Ltd. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 08:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection, so merged. As IncrediMail Ltd has no talkpage as yet, I'll move this talkpage (Talk:IncrediMail) there to preserve disucssion history. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Nuff said 77.99.163.40 (talk) 00:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As the IP post above suggests, this page is written much like an advertisement. The product(s) in question are also highly disputed as to being "ad supported" or "adware" or even "spyware".Some background reading on the program (largely heresy, but informative nonetheless):http://email.about.com/cs/incredimailtips/qt/et063003.htm - a possible source to be includedhttp://tpsconsulting.blogspot.com/2005/04/incredimail-is-spyware-longer-you-use.htmlhttp://forums.cnet.com/5208-6121_102-0.html?threadID=43281Personally, I would never touch the software, but it does seem to be a valid (if a bit snoopy) email program. It would do well if we could include some a criticisms section, at the very least. Pending some work, I've added the  tag.EugeneKay 00:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Was that article "heresy", or did you mean "hearsay"?—QuicksilverT @ 15:29, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Agreed, the article reads like an advertisement.  There is no mention of the hostile behaviour of this program in the main article.  Getting this software off a computer is difficult to start with, and moving your messages to a different client is next to impossible due to deliberate obfuscation of the mail database format.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.89.188.87 (talk) 17:06, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article or advert? 

message: I've added the info announced by the BBB that they have certified the company and their products, and also a link to the mcafee certification the company announced earlier this year. If anyone else finds positive or negative industry reviews from certified, credible source, please share.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.179.135.196 (talk) 07:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industry certifications 

message: This article now has a paid editor. Nmwalsh (talk) 08:26, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Mentioned at WP:COIN.  Some PR removed, malware info and cancellation of Google deal added. John Nagle (talk) 06:26, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Paid editor

message: I believe the following requests improve the Perion article. I am submitting these proposals on the Talk page because I have a conflict of interest as an employee of the company. Could an independent Wikipedia editor please review? 
Request 1-4 are all related to the infobox
 Request 1. 
In the Infobox, please make the following changes:
In the line that contains industry, please change from: 
| industry        	= Ad-tech, Internet
TO:
| industry	= Internet
Explanation: as reflected in the previous requests, the nature of Perion’s industry has shifted in the past few years. The business has now expanded considerably beyond AdTech. 
Request 2. 
In the Infobox, please make the following changes:
Please change the line that says 
| key_people      	= Doron Gerstel (CEO)Maoz Sigron (CFO)Tal Jacobson (GM)Dan Mano (GM)Shai Alfandary (GM) Daniel E. Aks (GM)Michael Pallad (President)
 TO:
 | key_people = Doron Gerstel (CEO)
Maoz Sigron (CFO)
Explanation: Omits four GMs and a previous president. Michael Pallad no longer works for Perion, having moved to Modern Luxury Media - he is on their leadership page.  He is no longer listed on the Perion team page. The changes conform to the standard of most WP:GA infoboxes for public companies, like Yelp and CSG International that only list top executives.
Request 3. 
In the Infobox, please DELETE the line that says: 
| products        	= CodeFuel, Undertone, MakeMeReach, Smilebox, ContentIQ
Explanation: These are not products -- they are companies acquired by Perion Networks. Their products are: Bolt, Sparkflow, Paragon, Mission, and Engine AI. These are listed on the Perion website and you can see that these are different from the names of the companies they acquired. I am not requesting they be used, though, because there’s no secondary source to reflect this recent rebranding. If you think a primary source is enough, then you could insert them here. 
Request 4. 
In the Infobox, please UPDATE the figures for revenue, operating income, net income and number of employees from: 
| revenue         	=  US$330.75 million (2014)
| operating_income	=  US$55.29 million (2014)
| net_income      	=  US$42.82 million (2014)
| num_employees   	= 400 (as of April 30, 2015)
TO:
| revenue         	=  US$328.06 million (2020)
| operating_income	=  US$12.25 million (2020)
| net_income      	=  US$10.23 million (2020)
| num_employees   	= 500 (as of March 14, 2021) 
Explanation: Updates figures from 2014. Accurate for the end FY2020. The number of employees is up-to-date as of March 2021. Both are sourced to mainstream business sources. 
:. Heartmusic678 (talk) 11:57, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: . Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

text: I suggest adding the  template to each individual request as it will make it easier for volunteer editors to address them. S0091 (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Request Edits August 2021

message: Hi, I’d like to propose some changes to this article. I’m an employee of Perion so I can’t edit the article myself because of my COI. Could an independent editor please review these changes? Thank you.
Request 1.  In the lead, in the last sentence, please remove:
Atlanta, Milan, Hamburg, Düsseldorf, 
Explanation: This is incorrect. Perion does not have offices in these cities. The Perion website lists offices in Tel Aviv, Paris, New York, London, Chicago, Boston, Kiev, Barcelona, and Seattle.  In cases of very straightforward information like this, using a primary source is generally okay. WP: Primary
Request 2. In the History section, fourth paragraph, first sentence, please remove: 
In June 2014, the firm acquired San Francisco based GrowMobile.David Shamah, Times of Israel. Retrieved August 1, 2014
 
PLEASE REPLACE WITH:
 
In June 2014, the firm acquired San Francisco-based GrowMobile as part of a repositioning of the company to focus on business-to-business services.Ingrid Lunden, TechCrunch. Retrieved May 6, 2021 
 
Explanation: New version provides additional context about the role this acquisition played in Perion’s larger repositioning strategy, and uses a different source that provides more details about the merger.
Request 3. In the History section, please remove the fifth paragraph, second sentence:
 
In January 2017, it announced the appointment of new CEO Doron Gerstel, effective April 2017, followed by the announcement of Josef Mandelbaum stepping down from the company.
 
PLEASE REPLACE WITH:
In September 2016, Josef Mandelbaum announced that he would step down as CEO.Shiri Habib-Valdhorn, Globes. Retrieved May 6, 2021  In April 2017, Doron Gerstel became the CEO. 
Explanation: Changing of company CEO pertinent in any company Good Article.
Request 4. 
Please add the following paragraphs to the end of the current History section:
 
Upon his arrival at Perion in 2017, Gerstel took steps to reduce the company’s debt and improve “operational efficiency.”. The company also expanded its digital television advertising business.Globes correspondent, Globes. Retrieved May 6, 2021 
In January 2020 Perion acquired Content IQ, a New York-based startup that optimizes digital advertising by doing tracking and analytics without cookies. Globes correspondent, Globes. Retrieved May 6, 2021 In July 2020 Perion bought the assets of a digital publisher-focused ad-tech company called Pub Ocean, which it integrated into Content IQ.Globes correspondent, Globes. Retrieved May 6, 2021 
Request 5. 
Please delete the entirety of the sub-section title and contents for “Products.”’ 
Explanation:  This section lists companies owned and acquired by Perion rather than giving an overview of the company products. You can see an overview of the company products here: https://www.perion.com/tech/ Unfortunately, at this point I only have the primary source that gives an overview of the current  company products. I will propose inserting this section back when there is a secondary source for this information, unless you think the primary source is sufficient now.
 Thanks for your review of the previous proposal I submitted. Since you are already familiar with this article, I was wondering if you might be willing to look these changes over as well? My last request spent over five months in the queue, so if you would be willing to have a look that would be very much appreciated!
Thank you. Kobe350 (talk) 06:51, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Kobe35. You're welcome and thanks for your message. Your requests have been answered. Thanks, Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:22, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Request Edit January 2022