Talk:Blackened death metal

message: Satanica was NOT the first album to fuse black and death metal. That album came out in 1999! Pessimist were together in 1988! This article needs to be fixed up.70.18.251.175 (talk) 00:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Dissection's The Somberlain had already meshed black and death six years before Satanica. I'd even risk saying that Vital Remains's Let Us Pray did a bit of that as well. Musicaindustrial (talk) 00:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Satanica?

message: would deicide be considered blackened death metal? Their sound is death metal and they have satanic themes just as black metal does. 68.119.197.242 (talk) 01:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Death metal can be satanic too but that doesn't define a genre. How it sounds musically is how bands are defined. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  01:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deicide?

message: There appears to be no source to state that "blackened death metal" as we currently understand the term (if indeed we accept the term) was started with Behemoth's Satanica. There are plenty of examples of black/death metal crossovers before this; The Somberlain and Storm of the Light's Bane spring to mind for instance. That element of the article should probably be excised without source. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the sentence after checking the release date of Satanica and after checking Belphegor's and Dissection's albums. I think a history section should be made for this as the start of the sentence would be good if we could find a source (and there probably is one out there) and obviously make the characteristics section more clear. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  01:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries. I'm still a bit unconvinced by the new wording... what we effectively are going to end up with is a fairly small OR bit of "characteristics" (this is fairly far from a distinct genre) and a huge list of black metal bands that use death metal elements or death metal bands that use black metal elements. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 02:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: That unsourced Behemoth sentence

message: I have nominated for AfD as this is basically an unsourced, made up genre. Someone presumably having a laugh. 90.214.234.45 (talk) 21:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How did the article survive deletion?  It is still unsourced and most of the talk on this page indicates that it is an unheard of (presumably non-existent) genre.86.46.194.55 (talk) 18:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It didn't survive for say and it's due for merging/redirect, using the death metal talk page. Also, you should see WP:INDENT. FireCrystal (talk) 18:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion 

message: The article is substantially changed from this version, which it had back in 2008 when it was voted for it to be merged into Death metal. Sources abound. I initially incorrectly tagged it as CS4, but given the major changes, which are properly sourced, I believe we can safely keep it in wikipedia. --1l2l3k (talk) 15:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New form in 2018 

message: When exactly has Bestial Black Metal been replaced by war metal? -- Zz (talk) 20:05, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: When exactly was Bestial Black Metal a more used term than War Metal? ABC paulista (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: All the time. Where are your so called facts? -- Zz (talk) 21:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You are the one claiming that Bestial Black Metal is a more used term than War Metal. The burden of proof is on you. ABC paulista (talk) 21:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the burden of proof is on the article. And, since you want it to be this way, it is on you -- Zz (talk) 21:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not me who "want it to be this way", it's just that the section has been formatted this way since the beginning and the sources presented use more the term War Metal than Bestial Black Metal. You are the one who want it to be that way without providing reasoning and resources to justify this change. ABC paulista (talk) 21:54, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There were several deletions and reinsertions. And even if it were the original version, that would not be a measure of truth. Nonetheless, which sources do you refer to? We might agree on a set of reasonable ones. -- Zz (talk) 22:02, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In all versions of this section, even before this article was created and it only existed on the Black Metal page, it was always referred mainly as War metal, with Bestial black metal being added some time later. Its contents never changed much since its creation. I'm not referring to any source in particlar, but to all ones that are presented. In general, they use mostly War metal. Athough the Metal Hammer and Rock Hard ones are especially highly regarded, for being specialized printed media. ABC paulista (talk) 22:38, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section