Talk:Bob Marley/Archive 1

message: Definitely needs NPOVized, and edited.  I wouldn't know where to begin. Any takers? Rgamble
:Yes, I'll give it a shot.  Koyaanis Qatsi
 
I didn't know Marley had been shot in 1976. For the sake of clarity it would be helpful to have some idea of the extent of his injuries to separate this from the information about the cancer that caused his death.Basswulf 16:16, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening comments

message: When did he die? On May 10, 1981 or on May 11, 1981? Some sources are reporting that it's the 10th...?! -- CdaMVvWgS 17:25, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deathday? 

message: I thought he died of skin cancer? Selphie That is how it started, he died of a mestasized (spread) skin cancer. So he had skin cancer in his brain, but that is not where the tumours began--Squiquifox 16:49, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death? 

message: The german version of this article, here translated to English as some rather useful info, which someone might like to incorporate into the English version. --Rebroad 13:10, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  German version of this article 

message: I know Koyaanis Qatsi offered to rewrite this, and I look forward to a more expert article.  In the meanwhile, I've cleaned up some of the more glaring punctuation errors and clarified some convoluted or confusing parts of the text to make it more readable.  Hope you approve!  --Dsibilly 05:42, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  General punctuation cleanup and clarification. 

message: I was quite surprised to find no reference or link to marijuana cannabis (drug), so have added something. Squiquifox 19:21, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Marijuana

message: "He has been called the Charles Wesley of the Rastafari movement."  By who? In 30 years of following Marley's career I've never heard or read this anywhere. (EDIT: Okay, I missed this reference: (Barret, Leonard E., The Rastafarians, p. 213).SqueakBox 21:47, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC) --- but it's obscure and it has to be the only place it's been written...)
Also, Rastafarians would contend that it is not a religion, but rather "a way of life." This is an important distinction, and Marley himself often corrected journalists who asked him about his "religion."
:I read a little about Charles Wesley. It seems he was quite a Bob Marley of his era.Ezeu 03:05, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the Charles Wesley of the Rastafari movement"? 

message: You cannot compare Marley, who did so much to promote cannabis and whose image is very cannabis, with Clinton (who was embarrassed about his use of cannabis) let alone Bush and hard drugs. If you look at the people in the cannabis cat surely Marley deserves to be there, SqueakBox 00:31, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
::I guess so. Maybe I was a bit quick to judge. Come think of it, I am ashamed I mentioned his name in the same sentence with Bush. --Ezeu 00:44, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cannabis category

message: Somone needs to write about the inspiration of hope he had on generations of people, as well as opening his home to lots of people from the poor community, etc.  -joe 9/19/05.
I agree and generally find this article seriously lacking for such a great man, SqueakBox 01:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Inspiration

message: I disagree. It has the makings of a good article, and what is here is great, but it lacks detail about his extended music career, SqueakBox 13:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article

message: I'm removing The Hon. (I am using the same rationale as I did at Mandela OM), however, I am not removing Jamaican Order of Merit because it is a local award. I do not hold a strong opinion on this issue, but at least explain if you disagree with me.  Bisso na bisso, motema "One Love" / Ezeu 00:57, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I agree with you on this one.  Peerage titles should be kept, but courtesy titles should not, we're not writing a letter to him or addressing him. Taco325i 02:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Honourable|The Hon.]] and [[Jamaican Order of Merit|OM]] 

message: It seems odd to me to include Bob Dylan in what is essentially a list of dead legends. I'm sure whoever wrote that knows Dylan isn't dead and is just referring to his status as a cultural icon. But in a list of Bob Marley, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, and Bob Dylan... one of them just doesn't seem to fit. Kafziel 15:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. Kafziel 16:36, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Posthumous reputation 

message: I boldly moved the discography to Bob Marley discography. --Ezeu 22:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be cool if there were still a short paragraph summarizing his recording career and discography in the main article, with the whole list in the article you created. Something like "Between 1966 and 1980, Bob Marley recorded X albums and Y singles with a variety of ensembles. Much of his best known music was recorded with Bunny Wailer and Peter Tosh. ... Since his death, numerous compilations and best-of albums have appeared. etc." Mike Dillon 02:12, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that would be cool.--Ezeu 08:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: John lennon good man fighting for peace bob dilan good man for simging elvis presley a king while he was makink millions bob was still poor"cold ground was my bed last night and rock was my pillow too"theres so many ways too compair im sure elvis did something too help people in the world just has lennon dillan did thats speculation i dont know this as fact im just guessing with all there millions they helped the more needy what i do know his bob marley used too get thousands upon thousands of people knocking on his door giving him there own storie some genuine some just out too get what they can now comming up on the same boathe could of had bounces at his door he could of had people tell them to go way but he didnt he handed out thousands upon thousands of pounds a week to people who needed it he fed thousands of people in jamaica he didnt go buy a privet jet and his own fair ground ride he sung about the people in the gutter trying to pull them up with him what made him so special there was lots and lots of reggae artist around at the same time as the wailers why did they get where they did becouse bob had something he was bullied growing up for being half white then the people who bullied him worshiped him as there hero he couldnt win so much pressure on his head he came he left us his messege you listen to his songs you will get it he got greif of his fellow jamaicans for exiling to england but it was his fellow jamaicans who burst gun fire in to his house bob didnt die natural he was murded you read about the c.i.a plot he was given a pair of boots as he put one of them on something pricked his foot some sort of copper wire which was diped with toxins which made him develope cancer and when he was poorly there where making him still tour when he got special food sent to help with the cancer it was being eaten by his friends before it got to him just love him studie him not speculate ,,yours nevill livingston 
who murded nesta robert marley,haselden
http://www.bobmarleymagazine.com/articles/blunt.htm
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.16.48.101 (talk • contribs) .
That is how things work in poor countries withou tb welfare. in the rich countries the rich donb't get hasled by the poor as there is welfare. In poor countries the patronage systemn works and Marley was acting like a Jamaican with financially poor roots and money in this case, SqueakBox 13:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment by 82.16.48.101

message: Lauryn Hill is married to Rohan Marley, not Ziggy Marley. Please look at their respective bios. Mike Dillon 22:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lauryn Hill 

message: I have restructured the article a bit, mainly to make clear the "The Wailers" and the "Bob Marley and the Wailers" periods. Also added some more about his music. I removed the part that said his father left a few weeks before marrying his mother. Many sources, including bobmarley.com say they were married. There is a large gap in the article vis-a-vis Marley's relation to Rastafarianism, and his appreciation of Ganja. --Ezeu 16:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work. Mike Dillon 17:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: Bob: from http://www.earthcalendar.net/_php/lookup.php?mode=date&m=2&d=6&y=2006 I learned that Marley's birthday is observed as "Bob Marley Day" in Jamaica, and from http://www.bobmarley-foundation.com/t41.html I learned: "On May 11, 1981 Robert Nesta Marley died at the age of 36. Later that year the Government of Jamaica awarded him the Order of Merit (O.M.), and in 1991 proclaimed his birthday be observed as "Bob Marley Day"." ... Should Bob Marley Day be mentioned in this article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bob the Hamster (talk • contribs) .
:Yes it should be included. It should also be mentioned that "Marley Day" is commemorated worldwide by his fans. --Ezeu 16:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthday a Holiday in Jamaica? 

message: According to many sources, Joe Higgs was the true mentor to Bob Marley.  Many do not know this and credit this honor to the likes of Peter Tosh, etc.  However, Joe Higgs is the true bearer of this title and should be honored as such at Wikipedia.com.
:If that's the case, Joe Higgs should be mentioned in the article. 'Cause I don't know who he is and I thought Peter was! Peter certainly claimed to be, in interviews. "I put the guitar in Bob Marley's hands..." Joe has his own article already so you can just put in a few sentences talking about his importance to Bob. --Bluejay Young 18:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joe Higgs 

message: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TUF-KAT (talk • contribs) .
:"To do" list created, based on the above. --Ezeu 18:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Music Project evaluation 

message: Please do not change the spelling to US version. Marley was not American and nor is this encyclopedia, SqueakBox 15:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling the American spelling a "misspelling" in your edit summary was not appropriate. It isn't at all clear cut which spelling this article should use according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English, but either way it is not appropriate to denigrate one another's spelling conventions. Mike Dillon 16:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. I don't think Bob would have supported calling Americans' spelling conventions "misspelling"  Mike Dillon 16:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Since Jamaica is an English-speaking country, we should be using Jamaican spelling conventions.  This is presumably more or less the same thing as British spelling, though I don't really know that. Tuf-Kat 17:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: Normally, I'm not big on needless protection, but I've been thinking about requesting semi-protection (no anonymous editing) for this article. If you look at the history, it is almost entirely anonymous vandalism and people reverting it. I watch this article pretty much for the sole purpose of reverting (usually) anonymous garbage. Does anyone else think this is the right way to address the problem?
Just as a matter of illustration, there have been about 100 edits in the last two weeks since Ezeu worked on the article organization. If you look at the diff, though, barely anything has happened in those 100 edits; it's almost all vandalism/cleanup. As I said, I'm not big on protection, but cleaning up after vandals seems like a waste of everyone's time. On the other hand, Gay isn't even protected as far as I can tell, so maybe I'm asking for too much. Mike Dillon 15:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. I've added it (the page is Wikipedia:Most vandalized pages for those interested). Mike Dillon 05:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi protection 

message: I see someone has removed his being a Rastafarian from the opening. Please source the claim he was a spreader of faith. Sounds like one of the religiously motivated anti-Rastafarian Christafarian types who inhabit these pages. Well I have put it back, SqueakBox 03:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been documented in several of the biographies and film documentaries that his musical popularity did a great deal to bring Rastafari to the attention of people all over the world who didn't know about it. Also, he was well known for devoting a short portion of his concert to explaining who Haile Selassie I was and what Rastas believe; he also discussed the faith at length in interviews. Today's Rastas credit him as a world evangelist of the faith. --Bluejay Young 18:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rasta in the opening

message: Bob Marley and The Wailers is a redirect to here. Please kindly explaoin why we can't put the other members of the Wailers names in this article when they already havge articles here. This article is immensely lacking in detail. Why try to keep it that way? SqueakBox 03:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please add more details. Details about Bob Marley. There are articles about The Wailers, Wailers Band, the I Threes, Aston Barrett, Carlton Barrett, Tosh, Braithwaite, Livingston etc. etc. They have not been disregarded. Why I reverted your edit (which I darent do again, because I could be wrong) is because this article is about Bob Marley, and neednt list all non prominent members of the band. --Ezeu 07:43, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Re: your message to my talk page. This article is about Bob Marley. Why are you redirecting The Wailers and Wailers Band to this article? I am unwatching these articles from my watchlist for a few days so you can have it your way. Fed up of having to explain the obvious. --Ezeu 16:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Ezeu that there should be separate articles for the two incarnations of the Wailer's band, one for the original Wailers and one for the later "Bob Marley & the Wailers". The problem was that the articles were not properly linked and cross-referenced from one another, not that they existed at all. Adding details about Wailers band members to Bob Marley's biography is not appropriate, but it is appropriate for a Wailer's article if there is not enough information for a separate article on the person. In short, I don't think the Wailer's articles should redirect here; it should be sorted out properly. Mike Dillon 16:54, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why the Wailers?

message: Bob's page says he had 3 children with Rita. Rita's page says they had 4 children. Which is right? Tonyhansen 15:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  number of children with Rita? 

message: I have removed the section that said: 
:"And you can understand why, these tracks are heavily orchestrated with violins etc .. These tracks couldn't be further removed from what was about to come." 
That is a matter of personal opinion. --Ezeu 01:14, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed matter of opinion 

message: while the wailers were popular in the 1960's, they released no albums then. however, 'catch a fire', their debut, contains songs from that era. is this correct? Joeyramoney 02:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I understand it, "Catch a Fire" was The Wailers' first album whereas they had released several singles earlier.--Ezeu 01:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the 1960s the Wailers were only really known in Jamaica and perhaps amongst Jamaican immigrants and ska/reggae fans in the UK. One album was released in Jamaica at this time, The Wailing Wailers, collecting their Jamaican hits recorded at Studio One in the mid-60s. Then in the early 1970s several albums were released: The Best of the Wailers and Soul Rebels in 1970 and Soul Revolution/Soul Revolution Part II in 1971. As most Jamaican groups at the time, most of the group's output did not appear on albums, but on singles instead. The Jamaican music scene has always relied more on singles than albums, unlike the Western music world which is album-centered. Catch A Fire was their mainstream debut, released on a large international record label and did recieve marketing and publicity, which the previous albums really hadn't had any of. Teklund 20:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  okay, just to clarify... 

message: Hi, 
I want to recommend a link for a Bob Marley Biography (yet another, but nicely made) on the following 
URL: http://www.rootsreggaeclub.com/culture_reggae_afro/artists/ae/bob_marley_biography.htm 
How can I know if it will be accepted or not?
Wisebwoy 17:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont see how it adds anything, given that the information on that page is taken from bobmarley.com, which is already linked to. --Ezeu 13:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linke to "Bob Marley Biography" 

message: Are there any editors here who have a copy of any the books there at the bottom as references, and if so, do you think there's any way to quickly find the pages where the article gets most of its information? Generally, I don't think an article like this could become an FA unless the references were very specifically cited since there's only 4 books :/. Homestarmy 15:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaboration

message: Substituted at 20:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment