Talk:Big Four (banking)

message: Currently, only three entities are listed.  If it is the case that one of the three is responsible for two of the big four brands (cf. Lloyds Banking Group owning two of Scotland's Big Four), it would be desirable for this should be formally acknowledged, as for any other reorganisation which has reduced the number by one.  Otherwise, the French situation does not merit inclusion in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cousteau69 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: France

message: Without references, and as per the discussion immediately above, who's to say that the notion of a "big four" in all these countries is true, and that these banks class themselves (or are classed by their country) as such? Seems like an entirely synthesised article to be read with much caution at present. Halsteadk (talk) 14:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: Following the discussion (above) I've had a look for any references to the use of the phrase "Big Four Banks", which (I would suggest) is the only basis for inclusion here. The phrase seems to be general use in the UK, South Africa and Australia, but not elsewhere particularly. And in Canada they have a "Big Five".
So unless there are any objections, I suggest deleting all the entries that aren't backed by a reference using the term for the banks listed, or in the countries listed.
Any thoughts? Moonraker12 (talk) 16:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

message: I am restoring two lists pertaining to the historical situation in China. The "big four" term is well known in Chinese literature and literature about Chinese banks from before 1949, and it is quite reasonable that readers may wish to find out what the term refers to when they encounter it in a Wikipedia article or in their reading outside of Wikipedia.
I note that the deletion was made by Anniv22 with a rationale that this article is about the current situation and not the past. There is no requirement that Wikipedia describes only the present situation, and indeed, there are numerous articles about various concepts, places and bodies which no longer exist. The sole criterion should be whether the concept or thing is notable, and I strongly contend that the historical "big four" banks of China is notable within the scope of this article. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 05:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, a paragraph about the use of the term in China would go some way to cover that; there would be no problem in mentioning what they historically were, if it is explained the term applied to them then. Moonraker12 (talk) 11:34, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The list is fairly self explanatory - before 1949, when referring to Chinese banks, the "big four" banks referred to those listed. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 14:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical information on China 

message: The introduction here (and therefore the scope of the article) reads
"Big Four is the colloquial name for the four main banks in several countries, where the banking industry is dominated by just four institutions and where the phrase has gained currency." 
As this definition has been disregarded by editors wishing to add lists of the top four banks in their respective countries, I have also added edit notes at the top of the page, and at the points of the most frequent offenders, saying
"This page is for instances where the phrase "Big Four" is used of the major banks, AND where the usage can be demonstrated. It is NOT a list of the four largest banks in any particular country, arising from ORIGINAL RESEARCH" 
So I suggest that any sections not supported by a source which uses the term "Big Four" in connection with banks in a particular country, and says which four they are, are likely to be summarily deleted, per WP:OR. Moonraker12 (talk) 12:55, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope  

message: I have just deleted yet another section on India, placed without regard to the definition in the introduction, or the edit notes on the subject, and unsupported by any relevant source.
As the definition and notes state, and as the Scope section (above) explains, this article lists countries where the term "Big Four" is used to describe them, and NOT merely a list of the four largest banks in any particular country.
I also note that the placing and replacing of this section is usually followed by a flurry of edits seeking to change one or other of the names given. Can I suggest that if there is any dispute about which banks actually are the Big Four of India, it pretty much proves that the term is neither used nor recognized in the country, and the section should not be there at all. 
Unless someone can come up with a source that uses the term "Big Four" in connection with banks in India, and says which they are, any replacement of this section will be summarily deleted. Moonraker12 (talk) 13:05, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  India, etc 

message: The section on India was added again in February, without a source to support it; it subsequently acquired this which is simply a list of all banks in India ranked by asset size, and then this, which is a list of the top ten banks there. 
As far as this article is concerned (which is on the term "Big Four" where it applies to banking (see here), and for which the problematic nature of these "India" sections has already been outlined, here), the sources show the State Bank of India with 12 (long) billion rupees, ICICI with 4 billion, then four more with 3-4 billion each. Can anyone suggest in what way this describes a banking industry dominated by four main players? Moonraker12 (talk) 13:27, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  India, again 

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message: The current Big Four of China are also the Big Four of the whole world. Wisdood (talk) 14:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  nowadays, the biggest four banks are actually 4 Chinese banks