Talk:Nantucket

message: I think we should make a distinction between true residents and second home owners. A resident lives in a place whereas many , perhaps most, of those listed live (reside) elsewhere. I propose we either split the list or rename it to be inclusive of second/vacation home owners. My preference is to split the list since I would find it useful to easily distinguish between those who actually live on the island and those who just visit. Jojalozzo 19:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, not all are sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article, e.g. Don Callahan. Mentioning names here should be subject to WP:CITE with a reference demonstrating that they live or maintain a home here. I recommend commenting out entries that don't meet these criteria, until they do. User:HopsonRoad 23:55, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that notability must be determined by having an article or by citation. I disagree that we should relax the requirement to include home owners who are not legal residents. I would support splitting the list or changing the section title to "Notable residents and home owners" if we want to include non-resident notables. Jojalozzo 03:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Residents or vacationers? 

message: G. Capo added a useful climate summary. I encourage this entry to include references. User:HopsonRoad 13:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I added in the source for the Köppen climate classification. This is used to determine the criteria of the different climatesSsbbplayer (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, Ssbbplayer, for that. I'd like to see a true reference here. The Köppen climate classification article itself mentions Nantucket explicitly under GROUP C: Temperate/mesothermal climates. However, there's no in-line reference in that paragraph at all, much less one that attributes the climate classification for Nantucket. Fig. 6 in the first reference (Peel, M. C. and Finlayson, B. L. and McMahon, T. A. (2007). "Updated world map of the Köppen–Geiger climate classification". Hydrol. Earth Syst. Sci. 11: 1633–1644.) doesn't appear to have enough resolution to discern the climatic classification of the Island. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 17:16, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate section 

message: The Geography section contains segments on Coatue beach, Hummock and Miacomet Ponds, the Popsquatchet Hills, and Squam Swamp that are unsourced or improperly sourced and contain non-notable material. They appear to reflect original research, which is disparaged in the Manual of Style. User:HopsonRoad 00:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography 

message: This is a simple list, such as you find in "see also." Presumably the ref request is on whether or not that person ever visited Nantucket; that is, why is that person on the list? That information is given in the blue link, which is an adequate ref. If it is not in the link, the name does not belong on the list. Where blue links provide adequate references you do not need notes. To put them in chokes the article with redundant references and defeats the purpose of having a simple list. Let us say you do have a ref. Then it goes in the article referenced by the blue link, so it would not appear here.Branigan 10:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your clean-up, Branigan. The reason for the ref request was that the source article did not necessarily connect the person listed with Nantucket. Many entries pertaining to living people smack of original research, especially since in an earlier iteration there were folksy descriptions of what part of the island the mentioned person lived. User:HopsonRoad 12:57, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Ref request on people list

message: *Yes - The section on notable residents or recurring visitors is a perennial point of friction on this page. I think we took significant steps when we restricted the list to residents and recurring visitors and when we agreed to require sources for new entries. I think we should emphasize our consensus not to include one-time or infrequent visitors in the comment at the top of the list and I think we should suggest the descriptive text be brief to avoid giving that list undue weight. Perhaps there is other guidance that we can agree on to reduce the likelihood of disputes arising over the content of that list. Jojalozzo 18:56, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: I have placed the proposed text in the Notable residents or recurring visitors section multiple times, such that it can be seen at least once, as one edits a portion of the list. User:HopsonRoad 22:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I added "and d) person is notable enough to have a Wikipedia entry." to the criteria in order to keep the list manageable and populated with people who are notable by WP standards. User:HopsonRoad 23:21, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Implementation

message: I came here from WP:AN to assess onsensus. It's clear how to handle this issue, so no action from me is required. Chutznik (talk) 05:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Closing RFC

message: An editor placed the following unreferenced text in the Geology and geography section:
:In the winter of 2013/2014, severe erosion of Siasconset Beach and Bluff placed several homes as well as Baxter Street and its utility corridor  in jeopardy of falling into the sea. The SBPF (a homeowners association) and the Town of Nantucket jointly undertook action resulting in the installation of a 900 foot long geotextile tube (TITANTube) sand filled structure consisting of three tiers (rows) of tubes, sometimes referred to as geotubes, backfilled with sand cover. 
Geology and geography are slowly changing attributes of the island. This contribution is more about current events or even climate change or possibly governmental action in maintaining the island's assets. Perhaps there should be a section where such contributions can fit better. User:HopsonRoad 02:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where to put miscellaneous items? 

message: We need an image of a Nantucket Lightship Basket.
If you have one in your home, please take the baby out of it and put it into another basket. Then, get your camera out, take a photo of it, and upload it here. Then, return the baby to the Nantucket Lightship Basket and give it a nice bottle of warm milk. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:45, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nantucket Lightship Basket]] 

message: The PIPE recently suggested the term, "unenrolled", instead of "unaffiliated" to describe Massachusetts voters, who have chosen not to be aligned with a party. It's clear at Massachusetts Directory of Political Parties and Designations that "unenrolled" is the correct term of art for that state. However, I feel that the term "unaffiliated" still speaks to a broader group of readers, who would puzzle, as I did about "enrolled". What do others think? User:HopsonRoad 17:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unenrolled vs. unaffiliated 

message: Flooding of Buzzards Bay did not make Nantucket an island.  That would have been flooding of parts of what is now Nantucket Sound.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18E:C500:72A6:6D2C:3A19:F0D3:A8D8 (talk) 00:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point! User:HopsonRoad 01:40, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nantucket becomes an island 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is disagreement about whether to mention and reference a 2008 Forbes article listing most expensive zip codes, which included Nantucket among the highest. Since housing costs are an extremely important part of modern Nantucket life, I believe the article needs information reflecting the situation and this seemed a reasonable way to do it. I would like to return the reference; any reason why not? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:40, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Follow-up: I found a recent article on the same topic, rather than a 10-year-old item, and have placed it in the introduction. For casual readers who know of Nantucket only from old whaling stories, it's a valuable piece of information about the article's subject. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:45, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur completely, DavidWBrooks, and appreciate your finding an updated reference. Originally, Miketarq01 removed mention of real estate prices with the edit comment, "removed statistic with defunct source" and John from Idegon concurred with that edit. If it's the freshness of the citation that was of concern, then your edit should address that. If it's whether the relatively high cost of real estate isn't worthy of mention, then we have some more discussing to do. HopsonRoad (talk) 19:58, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forbes article about home value 

message: The list of "notable residents and recurring visitors" is now 64 people long, which is idiotic - that's a trivia pit, not anything helpful to the reader. My personal preference would be to kill it entirely, since Nantucket attracts too many "notable" people to list, and replace it with a sentence or two somewhere in the article saying that many famous and important people own property or reside or regularly visit the island. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:49, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your concern, DavidWBrooks. However it seems that Nantucket should have the same basis for having notable residents as other places in WP. I suggest that we drop the "and recurring visitors" in the title and change the intro to: "While many notable people own property or regularly visit the island, the following are or have been notable residents of the island:". It would then be appropriate to go to the top section of each entry and prune out those that did not mention a period of residency on the island. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 19:31, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a reasonable approach. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 00:32, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can check to make sure that no stragglers remain! HopsonRoad (talk) 11:53, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over-long list 

message: What is the value of enumerating all 31 names of Nantucket's founders? I propose eliminating at least all those without blue links. HopsonRoad (talk) 03:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fine to me. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:31, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why enumerate Nantucket founders? 

message: I recently made an edit that was reverted stating that the large political change in the island/county has occurred due largely to demographic change.
I base this on the census results showing dramatic growth between the 1970 Census through 2000. This shows that the original population, even with natural growth (births), represents perhaps a third of the population today, the rest probably being transplants from elsewhere in ultra-liberal Massachusetts, or the Northeast in general.
I don't really have a horse in the race and this is cursory analysis, just noticed the change and figured this was the best explanation.
The trend begins at least after 1976, where Gerald Ford got the vote by a greater margin than Reagan's nationwide landslide of 1984, and between 1970 and 1990 the population nearly doubled (3,770 - 6,000). This can't be accounted for by births alone, especially in Massachusetts where the non-immigrant birthrate is especially low.
LikkerdySplit (talk) 08:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for posting, here, LikkerdySplit. Wikipedia:No original research tells us that, "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research", which is what inferences that you or I might make from what we see in presented data would be. Instead we rely on the research of others to provide those inferences, as presented through Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 15:23, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographic Change Resulting in Political Change 

message: The etymology in the first lines contradicts the etymology in the section "Etymology". 
Can someone who knows how it is change it to be consistent, please?  Kennin (talk) 11:13, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing this out, Kennin. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 14:18, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence about etymology in the intro is not supported by the source, which simply says "Nantucket, a Native American word probably meaning either “far-away land” or “sandy, sterile soil tempting no one." Also the two halves of the sentence do not seem to fit together. Southdevonian (talk) 16:50, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: There is precious little about the original Native American inhabitants of the island, and nothing whatsoever about what happened to them when the island was colonized by the English.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.51.174.100 (talk) 21:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I specifcially visited this entry for this information and was suprised to see that there was nothing. Given their involvement in whaling history it seems odd to not be included.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.80.180 (talk) 04:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a section on the original inhabitants. Southdevonian (talk) 23:04, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original inhabitants? 

message: The Society of Friends was the first group to formally organize on the island. ... Mary (Coffin) Starbuck (1645–1717) and her husband Nathaniel led the Quaker movement on Nantucket. The Nantucket Meeting was formed in 1708 with Mary serving as an elder and her son Nathaniel Jr. as clerk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:184:c300:be40:bdc6:e248:c807:c448 (talk) 19:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Society of Friends was the first group to formally organize on the island. ... Mary (Coffin) Starbuck (1645–1717) and her husband Nathaniel led the Quaker movement on Nantucket.  

message: The climate is now solidly Cfb Oceanic bordering on Cfa humid subtropical (summer is slightly too cool), not Cfb bordering on Dfb humid Continental. The coldest months are all at least a full degree above the more stringent 0 C isotherm. B137 (talk) 04:52, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  climate update Cfb and new records