Talk:Training corset

message: I have some problems with Haabet's latest additions - the statements go against my common sense and my knowledge. However, I am not an expert (particularly when it comes to anatomy) and I would not mind being proved wrong.
'"...as if a long corset is used as one's first corset, the ribs are depressed futher, which has negative effects upon the body."
The length of the corset has very little to do with depressing the ribs - it is the circumference that conpresses the ribs. A short corset - i.e., a waist cincher - avoids compressing the ribs, but only by virtue of not touching them.
 
"The training corset raises the ribs by use of a shoulder brace, which elongates the waist and expands the lung area."'
If there is a source to support these statements, give it to me and I'll shut up!
I have never encountered the shoulder brace, or shoulder straps, used to elongate the waist. They might encourage correct posture, which would visually make the waist appear longer. Correct posture would also ease the wearer's breathing, which would be severely constricted by wearing a tight corset - but nothing could expand the lung area!
Apart from this, shoulder straps could not raise the ribs. It just is not possible. Sources may claim that they can, but they cannot. Think about it: a corset gets its shape from the boning. Once a body is laced into a corset, it's a pretty solid thing, and it would take some very strong forces to change the shape given by the boning. The force of fabric straps passing around the waist and over the shoulders would not be strong enough. The only thing that could move the ribs upwards would be a corset with boning that put pressure on the ribs from underneath.
"Use of a training corset may result in shoulder problems, because the shoulders have no direct connection to the spine and naturally follow the ribs' alignment, although a good shoulder brace may reduce this problem."
I would like to see a source for this too. I cannot find any references to training corsets - either contemporary or historical - having shoulder straps for these reasons; the reasons for corsets having shoulder straps or incorporating a back brace are support and posture, not rectifying problems caused by tightlacing.
There is a lot of misinformation about corsets around, most of it stemming from historical myths and BDSM corset fetish fatasies. The WIkipedia should avoid perpetuating these at all costs - which is why I want sources!
--- Katherine Shaw 14:27, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)
* I do have a source for the historical use of training corsets, but it isn't a written source. She's a vintage clothes dealer in Iowa. In conversations with her she's mentioned that in the 1800s girls often wore corsets from a very young age in order to develop the fashionable but unnaturally small waist. She says that these corsets would prevent the lowest pair of ribs, called floating ribs, from developing properly.
--Kerowyn 06:54, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Disputed' message

message: I considered removing the following because it makes absolutely no sense.  Corsets with straps pull down on the shoulders, and don't dig in under the ribs.  Even if they did somehow get fitted to push up on the bottom ribs, it would contract the lung area, not expand it.  (there is nothing for them to attach to to provide upward force on the shoulders).  I left it in because it is the majority of the content in the section about using a training corset to prepare for a regular corset.  I would also like to note that a cursory search did not find any reference at all on the web to such a practice.
:The training corset raises the ribs by use of a shoulder brace, which elongates the waist and expands the lung area. Use of a training corset may result in shoulder problems because the shoulders have no direct connection to the spine and naturally follow the ribs' alignment, although a good shoulder brace may reduce this problem.
I also removed this string of "features" of a discipline corset because they are not even sentences.
:Generally tailored to individual measurements for comfort, ease of tight lacing and health.  Fully lined with firm Poly/Cotton twill for extra strength and comfort - this variety of twill is thin, yet very strong, durable and colorfast. All major corset panels are quadruple stitched with polyester thread for extra strength and structural integrity. To prevent skin chafing, thin and strong twill tape can be fused on the interior of the corset waist instead of being exposed on the outside of the corset. Can include a strong steel busk closure for easy wearing and removal of corset. Firm underbusk to prevent painful and unhealthy excavation of upper abdominal cavity. Flattens lower abdomen and promotes proper posture. Flat steel boning allows firm control with ease of movement. Stays can be mounted on the exterior or interior of the corset. Extra-firm rear steels support back. Promotes proper posture while preventing undue pressure on vertebrae and kidneys. The back is fully laced with strong, flat nylon laces for smooth, easy pulling. A Lacing Protector may be used to protect the back from rear laces.
Dreamingkat 03:48, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  major edits - documentation 

message: Have Traning Corset of today any ting to do by 'Traning Corset in the past?
Haabet 19:21, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
YES.  The purpose of both of them was to make changes in the shape of the body that last even when the corset is removed.  That's also why we have orthopedic corsets listed here.  Just because they don't look the same, doesn't mean that they don't have the same the purpose.  Dreamingkat 00:40, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Two meanings

message: This page has undergone quite a bit of work in recent days.  Is it safe to say it is clean?  Vote here.
*Clean — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 20:01, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't people have to vote on a VfR of the hourglass? otherwise, definately redirect that to here.  You do what you think is right, i'll back you. lol! — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 01:21, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned yet?