Talk:Union of Transylvania with Romania

message: Mentatus suggested on my talk page the following structure, with which I also agree:
* the events that led to the Union of Transylvania with Romania, including but not limitted to the situation of Romanians of Transylvania in 1870-1918, the couses of Romania entering WWI on the cide of Entente, and a short history of the war beteeen 1916 and 1917 with reference to the main article Romanian Campaign (World War I)
* the Alba-Iulia Assembly and the resolution addoted their. Move the paragraphs from Union Day (Romania) here. 
* the war between Romanian and the Hungarian Soviet Republic (1919)
* the Romanian constitution of 1923 (not extensively, b/c it desearves a separate article), and the crowning of King Ferdinand and Queen Mary in Alba-Iulia
* a short reference to the Second Vienna Award and the Paris Peace Treaty of 1947 
For 3 we need bibliography and photos (from free domain). One of the best books in the field is ni "În apărarea Romaniei Mari" by Dumitru Preda, Vasile Alexandrescu and Costică Prodan (Bucureşti, 1994), but we don't have it yet at our disposal, b/c we are not located in Romania at present.
I make some changes now to this article, namely I will devide it into the 5 parts with the following titles:
* Causes and leading events
* The Assembly of Alba-Iulia
* The aftermath and the war between Romania and the Hungarian Soviet Republic
* The organization of Transylvania in the Kingdom of Romania
* Second Vienna Award and the Paris Piece Treaty
:The last two sections would be about 1/2, resp. of 1/3 of the size of each of the first three. Approximately, obviously. :Dc76 20:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest that the Union Day, including the 1st December Declaration is dealt with in a separate article. It was only one event from a long process, however important it was. One paragraph is enough in this article, with reference to the main "Great Union", or "Union Day" article. --KIDB 18:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean to say that present section 2 should become a separate article, Union Day (Romania), and be an article in the category national holidays, while the rest of the sections to remain here as an article in the category history? Or do you mean to rename (back) this article Union Day (Romania), let it be in both categories, and with this title leave only one paragraph? (But then 4 out of 5 sections of Union Day (Romania) article would be just history, is that all right?) Since personally I can not figure out which way is better, I am asking more people to give below their oppinion. :Dc76 18:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any of them. Presently the first paragraphs are not coherent, eg. sentences like "Previously, in 1866, the national holiday of Romania was set to be on May 10, which had a double..." have no connection to the title of the article. --KIDB 20:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure of the article 

message: The WWI poster
The WWI poster has no reason being there. It is about Romania's war entry, a good two years before. Also, the event marked is about Transylvania's union with Romania - it was the date of Transylvanians attending an Alba Iulia gathering, where they expressed their wishes to be part of Romania. (As such, the choice for the event was quite a misnomer, since the gathering itself did not provoke Transylvania's union per se, nor were its demands respected by the succeding Romanian governments - such as the request that the region be given full authonomy inside the Kingdom.) There is a nuanced connection with Bessarabia and Bukovina: Transylvania was the last of the three to join, and since this is thought to have happened following Dec. 1st, the date was extended to mean the "fulfilling of Romania's unity". Note: southern Dobruja IS NOT part of that arangement - it was an integral part of the kingdom since late 1913. I will get to reviewing the page at a later date. Dahn 23:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion from the former article Union Day (Romania), which was merged into here 

message: Hi, I still think it is confusing to use both calendars. When I first looked at the article, I thought eg. that the break-trough of the French army took 13 days (October 24 / November 6,).#2 I do not really want to get involved in editing this article because I do not have time to search for sources. When completing the text plese keep in mind: December 1 is national day for ethnic Romanians and I believe it is a great thing that Romanians were united in one state. The same time, the occupation of Transylvania and of East Hungary meant that millions of Hungarians were cut from their motherland, who did not wish to be Romanian citizens at all. #3 The text should not suggest that the unification happened because Romanians at the Alba Iulia (Gyulafehérvár) meeting simply decided so. Huge ethnic Hungarian and mixed territories were occupied too. It should be clear that Romania wanted to occupy these territories and the Entente powers wanted to reward Romania for their 1916 efforts and that France wanted Hungary, a potential ally to Germany, to become as weak, as possible after the war.#4 Please refrain from using expressions like "Parliament of Transylvania, or "Government of Transylvania", because these simply did not exist. --KIDB 12:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue of Old Style and New Style dates is discussed in-depth in that article, so there is no real need to revisit it here -- it's something well understood.  In fact, there is a template that deals specifically with such pairs of dates, and the template is widely used by wikipedia.  So I suggest simply using that template, which by the way provides a link to the page where detailed explanations are given.  To see how that looks, I changed a couple of dates to this format -- see what you think. Turgidson 15:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A few remarks

message: Hello!
To the "Causes and leading events":
According to the secret treaty: if romania makes a peace treaty with the central powers before the war ends (which happened after bucharest was conquered) romania will not get the offered territories.
Someone should write this into the article too.
Bye!
:Sourse it, and of course it's ok. The legitimacy of the Union is not in the secret treaty, but in the elected assemblies. The treaty was merely a commitment of two countries to behave in a certain way in the foreign policy. :Dc76 20:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secret treaty 

message: The many Bulevardul Unirii, Piaţa Unirii found in Romanian streets, do they honour this union or another?
If so, it could be mentioned adding one of the photos in Commons.
 --Error (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These names refer to the process. 2 and 26 January 1859 is the "small union", i.e. the principalities of Moldavia and Romania made the modern Romania, or the so-called "old kingdom", 9 April, 28 November and 1 December is when Bessarabia, Bukovina and Transylvania joined, the so-called "big-union", making what is called "integrated Romania" or "great Romania" ("greater Romania" in some translations). 1 December 1918 was the biggest in size and the last one, logically ending a process that galvanized the intelighentsia and then the political class for the duration of one century prior to that. "Union" was a national ideal in 19th century, and central places are generally named after ideals or events related to/symbolizing ideals. "Union" from "Union smth" also (but this is generally a minority opinion) means the "spirit of unity among people". :Dc76\talk 14:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unirii

message: Excuse me but wasn't Transylvania assigned to Romania in the Treaty of Trianon in June 1920?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizso (talk • contribs) 02:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it wasn't. It proclaimed union with Romania on 1 december 1918. By the 1920 Treaty of Trianon, Hungary recognized that union. Dc76\talk 22:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trianon 

message: I think we really need a new and more detailed map. The map here shows Romanian majority and Romanian minority--a gross simplification of the actual population situtation. It seems that a large, contiguous, and overwhelming block of Romanians inhabited centra Transylvania, when actual population numbers and locations are not the case. I think even the Red Map would be a huge improvement. InFairness (talk) 04:10, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean this map 1 ? And to replace it with this one 2 ? Adrian (talk) 05:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of Romanians in Transylvania prior to Trianon 

message: See Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2014_June_20 Avpop (talk) 08:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:1dec1918.jpg]] nominated for deletion 

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