Talk:Gloria Macapagal Arroyo/Archive 1

message: King of new here. The page was defaced and I was going to revert it, but when I go to "edit this page" from the article tab, it just shows the article as it seems it SHOULD appear, but not how it actually does. What's with that?
The timing seems off to me for her having been a classmate of President Clinton's at Georgetown. The article says she took her BA in 1968 and then went to the school of foreign service at Georgetown. Clinton graduated from the SFS in 1968 and headed to Oxford that autumn. 163.1.78.138 11:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this article, yes. -TheCoffee 06:12, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Defaced...but I can't seem to figure out how to fix it

message: A large amount of content was deleted by various anons. I did my best to revert it, but some of it seems NPOV, and I slapped a tag on it. I'm referring it to cleanup. Rhymeless | (Methyl Remiss) 06:47, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I editted it for NPOV and removed the tag. There doesn't seem to be much debate about it here anyway. This article could use a lot of work, particularly concerning GMA's second term. TheCoffee 09:24, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutral Point of View

message: "Protesters numbering in the thousands marched to the presidential palace on May 1 and demanded Estrada, who had previously been arrested on charges of plunder, be released and reinstated. The protesters refused to be pacified and violence ensued. In response,  
several protesters and prominent political leaders were arrested. Arroyo eventually stopped the protests and survived the first serious challenge of her administration, the first of many in the coming years."
Why you delete the information about the shootings and killings of protesters? 02 Nov 2006
:Because nobody was killed. Coffee 00:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Arroyo's succession to the presidency in January 2001/Shooting of Military

message: At one point, GMA taught economics in Ateneo de Manila University. My history teacher, a student of hers, says she was horridly boring. ^_^ -TheCoffee 06:10, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Boring" 

message: I removed this sentence:
:the Filipino President also denounced U.S. President George W. Bush and publicly supported Bush's opponent in the 2004 U.S. Presidential Election,Senator John Kerry.
I don't remember her supporting Kerry. In fact I remember the Philippine Star's headline the day of the US election being something like "Place prefers Bush victory". If someone's going to put that sentence back in, please include a reference. TheCoffee 2 July 2005 04:25 (UTC)
: If I remember correctly, the Philippines and I think either Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, or Singapore were mostly pro-Bush according to a CNN article in 2003.  --Akira123323 13:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support for Kerry? 

message: Arroyo was not "re-elected" in 2004 for she was elected as vice-president is 1998. She wasn't elected as presidemt until the 2004 elections so i've edited the article. Circa 1900 04:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-election

message: It looks like someone started but saved before he or she was done editing.  From the article:
===Coup d'état===
Main article: 2006 Philippines coup
    On Friday, February 22, 2006, there was an allege
The President, through the Department of Education, declared a moratorium on all classes from elementary to high school level. Some colleges and universities also suspended classes. By the virtue of Proclamation No. 1427, she declared a State of Emergency for the whole country in an attempt to quell rebellion, which many fear might be a prelude to the institution of martial law. The Government's first move after declaring the State of Emergency will be to disperse the demonstrators, particularly the groups picketing along EDSA. It is reported that former Philippine president Corazon Aquino is among those protesting. 137.104.74.34 04:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem with article - incomplete sentence

message: Main article: 2006 Philippines coup
    On Friday, February 22, 2006, there was an allege
The President, through the Department of Education, declared a moratorium on all classes from elementary to high school level. Some colleges and universities also suspended classes. By the virtue of Proclamation No. 1427, she declared a State of Emergency for the whole country in an attempt to quell rebellion, which many fear might be a prelude to the institution of martial law. The Government's first move after declaring the State of Emergency will be to disperse the demonstrators, particularly the groups picketing along EDSA. It is reported that former Philippine president Corazon Aquino is among those protesting. 137.104.74.34 04:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coup d'état

message: I am really confused, but I do not seem to be able to find out where Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo was born. On this article it says she was born in San Juan, Rizal in the info box. But when I click the link it goes to San Juan, Metro Manila. In the text it says she spent her first years in Lubao, Pampanga however. On that article it says that both her father and herself are from that place. On none of the external biographies I can find a definate statement on her birthplace. This must be a known fact however. She is the current president of the Philippines! Can anyone help me with this? Magalhães
:This is still also a problem for me in my translations to other wikis.--Jondel 05:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: San Juan was part of Rizal province at the time that she was born, since Metro Manila wasn't organized until 1976. This page says she's from San Juan. I think I added the info about her spending her "first years" in Lubao, Pampanga (I got that info here). I'm not sure why she was born in San Juan if her family lived in Pampanga though. Coffee 14:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe she was born there in a hospital or so? Magalhães 16:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Diosdado Macapagal lived in San Juan up to the time he became president. Congressman Macapagal (which is the time Macapagal moved to San Juan after returning from a foreign posting in Washington) like all congressmen, had a Manila home and an official though seldom lived-in home in his district. After his presidency, Macapagal moved to Forbes Park. See his autobiography "From Nipa Hut to Malacanang".Gareon 10:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused 

message: I have been unable to find any sources from the UN about this supposed blacklist. So far all we have is that one report from the Inquirer. I've reworded the sentence to clarify that the "blacklist threats" were only mentioned by the CHR Chairperson. --Edward Sandstig 21:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No comments? Should I just remove it since there really was no threat of being blacklisted? --Edward Sandstig 21:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of "UN blacklist" allegation 

message: Hello! Below could be the text for PGMA's satisfaction or performance ratings:
According to the 3rd Quarter 2006 Social Weather Survey of the Social Weather Stations: net satisfaction with PGMA inches up to -11. This is from 37% Satisfied and 48% Dissatisfied with the performance of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, for an unfavorable Net Satisfaction Rating of -11. (The number -11 should be read as "minus-eleven," not as "negative-eleven"). This is slightly up from the 2nd, which had 34% Satisfied and likewise 48% Dissatisfied, or Net -13, correctly rounded.
President Macapagal-Arroyo's national net rating has been unfavorable for nine consecutive survey rounds, ever since the Third Quarter of 2004. PGMA's Net Satisfaction score is favorable only in the Visayas, where it grew to +6 in September from +2 last June. (The number +6 should be read as "plus-six," not as "positive-six".) It became slightly less negative in Metro Manila, at -41 now compared to -47 last June, and in the Balance of Luzon, at -10 now compared to -13 in June. In Mindanao, it dipped insignificantly to -8 now, from -7 in June. Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism Retrieved 9 December, 2006.  --Pinay06 19:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, also can we trim down the criticism section? its as long as the presidency section, and dunno if all the data there should be there. The survey info can be placed in the public perception subsection. The presidency section now has two important subsections: domestic policy (economy, etc) and foreign policy (Iraq, War on Terror, etc.) --Noypi380 03:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satisfaction ratings 

message: After trimming the "critics' corner", dunno how to do that eh, the article can now grow from the economy subsection (better use normal speak and not econ speak), since Arroyo herself stated that she expects her legacy to be economic growth, job creation, and putting the "fiscal house in order". And without her saying so, probably also the modernization of defense, the ambitious nationwide public works agenda (2006-2010), and the privatization of money losing state businesses can be added in the presidency section. Assuming she really is carrying these things through. Wadja think? --Noypi380 03:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Presidency section

message: I have added the latest update on the Alston-UN probe on the Melo Commission and the extrajudicial killings, and I'd like to know if the Philippine Star can be counted as a credible source. Franck Drake 15:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, it has the second highest readership among the country's broadsheet newspapers. Certainly credible. TheCoffee 02:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alston Probe 

message: As stated in the reasoning why this article was not accepted as a feature http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Gloria_Macapagal-Arroyo clean-up is badly needed. Sources and style should be discussed here on how we can improve both content and accountability. I can work on the Human Rights and State of Emergency sections.
15:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up Sections on Human Rights and State of Emergency 

message: This article uses highly biased sources. A president who is probably not elected has no interest that the truth comes out.
But this article follows to a far degree the official statements and tries to suppress the view of the opposition.
Edsa II (2001): Mrs. Arroyos disclosec in a video recording that this was a well prepared putch including certain parts of the military, deceiving the church to get their support etc.
- during the hearings against detained president Estrada it turned out that it was Estrada who refused to be bribed. Arroyo did immediately after her grip to power.
- the well known "Chavit" Singson disclosed himself as a lyer. He could not even put the money in the boxes (they were much to small) as he claimed he gave them to Estrada. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.113.40.41 (talk) 15:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral Point of View 

message: (Wikipedia or whoevers in charge of this article, please do not delete this, you are suppressing our freedom to speak our mind, whether it is biased and unbiased it dosen't matter. To think this is an unessessary discussion is suppressing our right to speak our mind.)
I also think that it is biased. People just don't see what good things GMA has done for this country. I would be really happy if her great projects would be included here. Jamskienetopia 08:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should limit discussion on grammar and POV issues, not on whether PGMA is the greatest or worst president. --Howard the Duck 11:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased and Unbiased Point of View 

message: This is a generic, final warning to those involved in the last few subtopics who still do not get the point that Howard and I, titopao, have been saying all along.
Wikipedia is not a forum, a message board, a soap box or, for that matter, Wikipedia is not the Plaza Miranda. If your only purpose on making all those rambling statements is to write in your criticisms or praises (in case you're from the other camp) on this talk page but have no plans in helping improve the article, find yourself another website. I don't care what your politics are, and I don't give a damn if you're pro/anti Gloria or Erap (it doesn't matter anyway), but if your debates won't help us make a better article, then don't do it here.
If you have a point to make and want to have it included on the article, make sure you name your sources. For that matter, you cannot use blogs, forums, message boards, social networking sites or other similar self-published site as sources, per the external links policy. (The acceptable exceptions would be official blogs and official websites.) Unsourced statements on any article will be challenged, and if found controversial or libellous, will immediately be deleted, per policy...if not by me, then by other editors.
For the users concerned (Greg  (210.23.188.87), 192.127.94.7, 194.113.40.41), the standard user warnings have been placed on each of your user talk pages. I have placed higher-level warnings because you still persisted in engaging in unproductive debate despite adequate warnings by me and Howard. All of you have been duly advised. --- Tito Pao 05:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Touché. Wikipedia is not Plaza Miranda. Very good hehe. --Howard the Duck 06:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I will stop posting my political opinions, but may I be frank, I think this is very unfair, you are suppressing my right to freedom of speech, OK, I will not post anymore of my political opinions, I would like to say something else, I think this article will not be truthful, because the one's incharge of this article will not listen to as you call it "political rantings." One more question before I go, do you know websites were I can express my "political rantings?" -- Greg - 5:10PM - 29 March 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.84.20.21 (talk) 09:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that Wikipedia is not a democracy in the sense that we're here to build encyclopedic articles, not political diatribes. This is why we emphasize that discussions should be about improving the article, and also why we discourage discussion about anything not related to the building of the article in question. We're here to discuss how to make the article better, not how to make the President better (although I share your view that we deserve a better government). --- Tito Pao 11:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: You can use PinoyExchange.com. Wikipedia isn't the right place to do this. We all have a freedom to express as long as it's within legal lines, but Wikipedia is not the place. Talk pages are for the article, not the article's subject. So at 2006 FIFA World Cup, we discuss how to improve the article, not to discuss how England and Sven Goran Ericsson chokes big time. --Howard the Duck 13:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For starters, if you can give us news articles about PGMA and/or Erap, whether it casts them in a positive or negative light, you can use the information on those articles and have them properly referenced. The more, the merrier (or, as my classmate used to say, "the merrier, the better"). Just that, make sure it's not an op-ed piece (definitely a no-no) or (if it can be avoided) one of those tabloids with scantily clad starlets. --- Tito Pao 23:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have an idea though, to be fair to the Arroyo supporters, in the article, put up a section for the Anti-Gloria side and another section for the Pro-Gloria side, so that the article will be balanced, I've seen this in other articles. Just making a suggestion. -- Greg - 12:07PM - 30 March 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.1.98.134 (talk) 04:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is what we did at 2006 state of emergency in the Philippines. If anyone can contribute to the article go ahead, but please, debating on talk pages endlessly achieve nothing. --Howard the Duck 09:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And, of course, make sure that you can back it up, so that other editors will not mark the edits as original research (which is a no-no). --- Tito Pao 14:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To those who insist on discussing the *subject* instead of the *article* 

message: Dear "TheCoffee",
you always delete economic matters etc. if they are critical to Mrs. Arroyo. 
But this is not a government board.
If something is wrong please right or correct it. 
I found many very critical voices and they are in accordance with my experience and that of my friends.
Here again quotes from Dr. Benjamin Diokno, UP college of Economics, Parish Pastoral Council for Responsible Voting (PPCRV), Archbishop Cruz.
 
"But if you consider the opinion of the opposition it seems to be quite different:    
- - - According to Dr. Benjamin Diokno, UP college of Economics the comparison between Estrada and Arroyo as shown above is wrong. "The 1998 economic performance should not be attributed to Estrada since policy action work with a lag. Estrada assumed office in July 1998, amid the East Asian crisis of 1997, which he had nothing to do with. In short, Estrada should be responsible for the economy’s performance in 1999 and 2000 and Arroyo from 2001 to date, since she assumed power in January 2001. GDP: Estrada—3.9 percent Arroyo—4.5 (the difference is the election spending in 2004 and the increasing remittances of the OFWs. As percentage of GDP, remittances have increased to 13.5 percent of GDP. But why should Arroyo get credit for these remittances? Filipinos have been leaving the country because not enough jobs are being created at home!) Manila Times, December 11, 2006.    
   
- In a Speach to the Parish Pastoral Council for Responsible Voting (PPCRV) Melendres said: "What happened to our biggest textile manufacturers? U-Tex (Universal Textiles) and Gentex (General Textiles) were forced to close. And that includes tire manufacturer Sime Darby."    
- "Thanks but no thanks to Mrs. Arroyo and then President Fidel Ramos but now we are importing agricultural products."  The Daily Tribune, May 05, 2007.    
  
- Archbishop Oscar V. Cruz added: "Millions of Filipinos precisely suffer from joblessness. The other millions of workers receive starvation salaries. The rest of the million Filipinos have to leave their homes and families in order to find work abroad."  The Daily Tribune, May 03, 2007.194.113.40.41 14:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reverting these additions is because they don't reflect the actual consensus view of the economy, just a collection of skewed views from individuals. Benjamin Diokno was Erap's finance secretary, of course he'll take an Erap-defending anti-Gloria position. That second blurb about closing textile manufacturers and agriculture imports lacks context and is probably insignificant in the big picture. And the third blurb... Oscar Cruz isn't even an economist, just a rabid anti-Gloria nut. TheCoffee 00:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: nobody has the autonomy of truth.. truth is different from our individual point of view. wikipedia is a venue to share information based on existing facts and supported by literature and not by mere opinions. this is not an editorial board. 24.193.29.5 10:24, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  economy 

message: If no one objects I'll remove them. The article is neutral enough for me. --Howard the Duck 16:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that I've rarely edited the article (go see the history tab) so don't accuse me. As for economy and your other demands, it won't be that hard isn't it? There are lots of website around... --Howard the Duck 16:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (To Truth111)' For the nth time on this very talk page: this is not a forum, so please save your comments elsewhere. If you have gripes about GMA and want to include them on the article, make sure you cite your sources appropriately. Thank you. --- Tito Pao 01:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|NPOV}} 

message: I removed the sentence about lack of jobs being the principal cause of people leaving the country. We need statistics to back this up rather than claims from an economist who used to work for Estrada. If I'm not mistaken, low wages are the principal reason for people wanting to leave the country, and that's not exactly something you can blame on the government. In short, many of the people leaving, already have jobs, but decide that they need to earn more to help their families. If you can provide an impartial source that says bluntly that the people leaving are jobless, then we can return that sentence. --Edward Sandstig 16:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by "to support meanwhile even for daily needs"? And kindly elaborate on this whole hospital asking for confirmation before conducting an operation. I still don't see how any of this is relevant, stuff like people not getting proper medical care, or people leaving the country for greener pastures has been happening even in Marcos' time. Please don't return the passage unless you can provide a real source. --Edward Sandstig 21:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need statistics for lack of jobs being the principal reason that people leave the country 

message: An anonymous user with the IP address 203.177.106.235 removed the paragraph on Jose Pidal stating it was unreferenced. I have returned the paragraph and added links to an article in the Philippine Daily Inquirer and a blog entry from the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism. When you find something that lacks a source, request a citation first, then remove it if no source materializes after a number of weeks. --Edward Sandstig 13:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jose Pidal 

message: Let's open an offcal Wiki photo gallary on her at the bottom oof the page. 
There are so many pictures.--Pine oak 19:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gallery

message: No mention of her husband and their children? Not even a link directing to Mike Arroyo? -Leoisiah 06:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's covered in the "Early life" section. TheCoffee 13:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Life? 

message: BBC reported this event today.
--Florentino floro 13:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2007 SONA

message: In her SONA speech, Arroyo categorically announced her candidacy for the 2010 presidential (or prime minister) race. Even if she promised to step down when her six-year term ends in three years, Arroyo served notice that she should not be treated as a lame-duck President: "I am not an obstacle to anyone's ambition. But make no mistake." In the 56-minute SONA speech at the joint opening of the 14th Congress at the Batasab in Quezon City, a beaming Arroyo, dressed in a red terno, said she "will not stand idly by when anyone gets in the way of the national interest and tries to block the national vision. From where I sit, I can tell you, a President is always as strong as she wants to be."
--Florentino floro 05:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're putting in your own interpretation of the article. I've edited to reflect what's written in the Inquirer and in the included excerpts of her SONA. --Edward Sandstig 10:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the title "2010 Ambition" is bias.  The strong words in her SONA do not necessarily lead to her trying to stay in office longer nor have I seen any clear actions on her part to do so.  While she may desire that, she has not clearly moved to do so, or at least I haven't seen it.  I have edited the subtitle and the content to be more neutral.--Bruce Hall 18:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2010 Ambition

message: President Arroyo joked during a speech in Subic Bay. She joked about being a "congresswoman" in Pampanga. A-yao 06:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: She joked

message: It was recently added to the article that GMA ran for senator in 1987 and placed 24th. It was backed by this reference, but I'm doubtful... I've looked up many sources and never heard of her running for senator in 1987. If you re-add this line to the article, could you please find a different reference? I suspect this editorial reference got the facts wrong. Thanks. TheCoffee 14:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ran for senator in 1987? 

message: Okay, ousting of Estrada. For Christ's sake... Gloria Macapagal's loyalists(on her payroll of course) are trying so hard to hide the fact that she indeed "stole" and i repeat "stole" the presidency. the allegations made against President Estrada we're based on false or non-existent premises. The charges that we're filed against him were not supported by any substantial evidences. Plus, okay. He did not resign nor was he impeached. the constitution of the Philippines says and i will paraphrase, that the vice president may only take over if the president 1. dies... 2. is impeached.. and lastly 3. if he resigns. NONE of these happened at all. Estrada left The presidential palace so that he could rest in his home. There were no resignation letters.
With the help of the media and other powerful friends including the chief justice of the philippines, Gloria Macapagal Arroyo snatched the presidency. She was sworn in illegally. How can another individual be sworn in as president when the other one is still active? i do not know why there is so much debate about this issue even from supposedly objective observers from abroad.
and The Coffee (username from wikipedia) please edit your own stuff ok? i know you are a gloria loyalist and have deleted some of the truthful negative posts about gloria and her chronies before... and all you others.. thanks...
p.s. i was there when all of this happenned you know. i love the philippines but i cannot stand the sight of it now. it's condition, no matter how hard we try to make it sound pretty... is in fact not pretty... not at all..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.64.26.197 (talk) 16:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ousting of Estrada/How Arroyo became President 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ph pres arroyo.jpg

message: is a 404. --75.85.14.12 (talk) 05:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation #48 

message: I think my earlier edits on health were deleted. But now, this mysterious illness again surfaced. It is a FACT that Arroyo is sick. And later on, if like the Litany of Health Curse in the GMA cabinet would turn to epidemic proportions, like starting with Bunye, to Raul Gonzales kidney, it is very sad that if this HEALTH edit of mine again will be deleted, I would not be credited with my prophecy of GMA's later hurting. Vide my impeccable predictions on:  and [
http://judgefloro.blogs.friendster.com/luis_armand_angel_judge_f/2007/11/memorandum_of_d.html]
Now, HOW can this article be NEUTRAL if this HEALTH subsection is not RETAINED. In several autos of world leaders, Health section is the most important encyclopedia neutral article.
Hence, I notify the ADMIN to watch this health section, lest it be deleted again. 
Sincerely
--Florentino floro (talk) 06:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health Issues and NOTICE 

message: In the "Honors and Awards" section, the title of the Forbes magazine issue is misspelled. It should be "Forbes magazine's 100 Most Powerful Women in the World". (Woman -> Women)
131.107.3.41 (talk) 17:47, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misspelling 

message: I remember there was a report about a meeting with former President F.Ramos with interesting informations on the desolate situation of OWFs. I did not find anymore here or in the archive. Who knows where I can find again? Truth222 (talk) 11:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Report about a meeting with former President F.Ramos and the OWFs 

message: Showing Mrs. Arroyo, "caught on video, in a forum of a civil society group, proudly confessing that she had, a year before the ouster, plotted to oust Estrada. It seems its no falsification. Of course that would change the whole view on the events of 2001." 
Daily Tribune 02/20/2008: ‘We went from frying pan to fire’ Edsa II a mistake, says CBCP head
"The church issued yesterday what amounted to a public apology for its pivotal role in installing then Vice President Gloria Arroyo to the presidency in a 2001 military-backed revolt that ousted popularly elected President Joseph Estrada."Truth222 (talk) 23:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A link to this video could be an interesting addition to the article. Do we have one? --Edward Sandstig (talk) 09:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Neither have I, but if it does exist, it would be interesting to see it. --Edward Sandstig (talk) 07:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video with confession Arroyos that she had, a year before the ouster, plotted to oust Estrada 

message: Ashoroman (talk) 08:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Her Excellency" 

message: I removed the paragraph because it isn't appropriate to the section. The section deals with Arroyo taking over the presidency and it being declared legal by the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court later declares that the take-over was illegal, then fine, we can ammend that section with that information. A religous leader giving their opinion and expressing disappointment over the aftermath of EDSA II, however, just isn't relevant to issues of succession. Even former presidents such as Aquino and Ramos expressing disappointment wouldn't be relevant to the section since they do not affect whether or not the decision was ruled legal. --Edward Sandstig (talk) 08:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are consequent you must delete almost the whole paragraph. The "people power" also is irrelevant for the court and was not possible without the deceived support of the church leaders. Further: Read the decision of the court, it sounds partly like yellow press and would never be adequat to international standards.Truth222 (talk) 09:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  First, the term "people power" isn't used in the paragraph, second, the first paragraph has everything to do with how she came to power. I won't be reverting for now, since we've already both violated the 3-revert-rule. --Edward Sandstig (talk) 10:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph about Lagdameo's disappointment in Arroyo in "Succession" section 

message: We need a health section here: why? Health section is a must in heads of state. It is not news but real deal, since if a President dies or is incapacitated, the very first news on the hospitalization. I added news on this but they were deleted. So, I hope that we have a health section on this:. I ask all of you: had you known of any President who had been more hospitalized than Gloria? Oh, I am sure not. ---Florentino floro (talk) 08:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Health section

message: The growing human rights crisis
The New People's Army (NPA) groups known as "Sparrow Units" were active in the mid-1980s, killing government officials, police personnel, military members, and anyone else they targeted for elimination. They were also supposedly part of an NPA operation called "Agaw Armas" (Filipino for "Stealing Weapons
"), where they raided government armories as well as stealing weapons from slain military and police personnel. A low level civil war with south Moslems, Al-Qaeda sympathizers and communist insurgents has led to a general break down of law and order. The Philippines government has promised to curb the killings, but is itself implicated in many of the killings.STOP Extra-Judicial Killings in the Philippines
Extrajudicial Killings Summit
The 22nd PUNO Supreme Court is set to hold a National Consultative Summit on extrajudicial killings on July 16 and 17, 2007 at the Manila Hotel. Invited representatives from the three branches of the government will participate (including the Armed Forces of the Philippines, the PNP, CHR, media, academe, civil society and other stakeholders). 
Puno will give the keynote speech and closing remarks. Puno searches for major solutions to solve forced disappearances.
During the first day of the summit, the speakers will present their respective papers comprising significant inputs from their respective sectors, while on the second day, the participants will break out into 12 groups (chaired by a Justice) and take part in a workshop. Local and international observers (the diplomatic corps and representatives from various international organizations) will be accredited. 
Puno announced that "the summit highlight will be a plenary session where each of the 12 groups shall report to the body their recommended resolutions. The reports and proposals will be synthesized and then transmitted to the concerned government agencies for appropriate action". 
The earlier slated Malacañang-sponsored "Mindanao Peace and Security Summit (July 8-10, 2007 at Cagayan de Oro City), focussed on how to make the anti-terror law, or the Human Security Act (HSA) of 2007, more acceptable to the public. Inquirer.net, SC slates summit on extrajudicial killings GMA NEWS.TV, Chief Justice unfazed by Palace meet
On July 16, 2007, Justices, activists, militant leaders, police officials, politicians and prelates attended the Supreme Court's two-day summit at the Manila Hotel in Manila City to map out ways to put an end to the string of extrajudicial killings in the Philippines. Bayan was set to launch their "silent protest", but expressed support for the high court's initiative. Director Geary Barias, chief of the police's anti-killings Task Force Usig, Sen. Panfilo Lacson, Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim, Caloocan Bishop Deogracias Yñiguez, re-elected party-list Representatives Satur Ocampo (Bayan Muna) and Crispin Beltran (Anakpawis) attended. Supreme Court Chief Justice Reynato Puno said that the "National Consultative Summit on Extrajudicial Killings and Forced Disappearances: Searching for Solutions," would help stop the murders. Delegates were given 12 to 15 minutes each to share their insights and knowledge about the matter. Yniguez accused the government of failing to actively pursue investigations on the hundreds of killings and the Catholic Church was alarmed that victims have been denied their "fundamental right" to live. 
Based on Yniguez-church's count, the number of victims of extrajudicial killings has reached 778, while survivors of "political assassinations," was pegged at 370. He also noted 203 "massacre" victims, 186 people who involuntarily disappeared, 502 tortured, and others who were illegally arrested. Yniguez similarly criticized the government's alleged insistence on implementing its Oplan Bantay Laya I and II (the military's counter-insurgency operation plans which militants have said consider legal people's organizations as targets). 
Meanwhile, Bayan urged the Supreme Court to "check serious threats to civil liberties and basic freedoms" including the anti-terror law or the Human Security Act of 2007, which took effect on July 15 despite protests from leftist groups. 
Vice President Teofisto Guingona Jr. will join Bayan and other leftist groups as petitioners in their formal pleading before the Supreme Court challenging the constitutionality of the law.  Human rights lawyer Atty. Edre Olalia of the International Association of People’s Lawyers (IAPL) will serve as lead counsel. Bayan chair Carol Araullo said the respondents will include members of the Anti-Terrorism Council headed by Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita and Raul Gonzalez. Earlier, [CBCP president Angel Lagdameo] pointed out at least 5 provisions of the law that may threaten civil liberties: Sec. 19 allows detentions of mere suspects for more than three days in the event of an actual or terrorist attack, while Section 26 allows house arrest despite the posting of bail, and prohibits the right to travel and to communicate with others; Sec. 39 allows seizure of assets while Sec. 7 allows surveillance and wiretapping of suspects; Sec. 26 allows the investigation of bank deposits and other assets. GMA NEWS.TV, Justices, activists, prelates map out ways to end killings  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrs Flora Fiona Kriesha Mckay (talk • contribs) 11:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A possible adition 

message: I will again delete the- propably – wrong info with the policemen.
No quote says something like this: 
NYT:
"...resulting in three deaths and more than a hundred injuries.” Published: May 2, 2001
"...Four people died and more than 100 were wounded in the clashes between security forces and rioters.” Published: May 7, 2001
CNN:
"...Four people died and more than 100 people were wounded" May 7, 2001
Web posted at: 12:55 AM EDT (0455 GMT)
The question must be: Why did neither the military nor the police shoot during EDSA II?
1. Estrada gave no order to shoot, or an order not to shoot. (Compare the statements of his lawyers
2. As user Edward Sandstig assumes, the police and the army would not obey the elected president during EDSA II. Then it would be a mutiny or even a putch with the support of the army.
"A statement from Estrada claiming that was the reason isn't really enough especially when you consider that he had already lost support of the AFP and the PNP. It would be like a boxer who lost a match saying that he lost because he let the other guy win. --Edward Sandstig (talk) 09:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The NYT article specifically states that "Two police officers and one protester were killed during the clashes". It's on page 2, and here's a direct link. It's in the second paragraph if you're still having trouble finding it. As to whether or not Estrada gave the order to shoot, that isn't what was being debated. You had originally claimed that "Estrada wanted to avoid victims and left office", which is something which can't be proven and smacks of POV. Whether you could consider EDSA II a putsch (or coup d'etat) really depends on the level of participation by the military. If their principal contribution was not acting, then I don't think it qualifies. If evidence does come out however, such as the video you were previously talking about, then perhaps it would qualify. --Edward Sandstig (talk) 17:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  EDSA III uprising 

message: * abs-cbnnews.com, Senator Obama's statement on the US Visit of President Arroyo--Florentino floro (talk) 06:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why this link has to be in the external link section? --Efe (talk) 06:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And why post this even be here in the talk page? TheCoffee already told you to stop doing this. And oh, I'd expect a really loooong reply... --Howard the Duck 06:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Obama statement

message: Alright, today, I posted a query on the
and pending resolution or reply to my query, from TODAY, I will not longer copy paste my edits in the articles'talk page. Instead, I will bear the burden of putting in my yahoo email back up all my daily edits, so that later on, I will be able to have them ready if needed against vandalism and wrong edits/ reverts. This for sure, answers why I copy pasted the Obama statement link which is so Notable, in the article. If you think it is a wrong edit, then amend or revert it.--Florentino floro (talk) 07:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reply 

message: Why is there nothing mentioned in this article about the Memorandum of Agreement the government has agreed upon with MILF and the violence that erupted after the Surpreme Court ruled it to be unconstitutional? Magalhães (talk) 05:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, it is bothering me as well. However, due to the fact that nobody has yet to come up with a sound writing of it (as far as I know), it might be due to the complexity of the issue. --Animeronin (talk) 06:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mindanao conflict 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Php bill 200 back.jpg

message: I added this sub-section, after a careful study of the Impeachment and trial in the Senate of Bill Clinton Please do not delete this, for this is heavily supported by Wikipedia reliable sources foreign and local.--Florentino floro (talk) 11:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Impeachment

message: "But if you consider the opinion of the opposition it seems to be quite different: - - - According to Dr. Benjamin Diokno, UP college of Economics the comparison between Estrada and Arroyo as shown above is wrong. "The 1998 economic performance should not be attributed to Estrada since policy action work with a lag. Estrada assumed office in July 1998, amid the East Asian crisis of 1997, which he had nothing to do with. In short, Estrada should be responsible for the economy’s performance in 1999 and 2000 and Arroyo from 2001 to date, since she assumed power in January 2001. GDP: Estrada—3.9 percent Arroyo—4.5 (the difference is the election spending in 2004 and the increasing remittances of the OFWs." (Dr. Benjamin Diokno, UP college of Economics, Parish Pastoral Council for Responsible Voting (PPCRV), Manila Times, Monday, December 11, 2006 ("Hunger records reach new high").
A new report of the United Nations shows that "poverty reduction in the country has lagged far behind that of Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam and China—countries that started with higher levels of poverty incidence than the Philippines but have successfully managed to lessen, if not virtually eliminate, extreme poverty.
According to the country team report, there were 27.6 million poor Filipinos in 2006, a 3.8-million increase from the 2003 data. (Manila Times, April 03, 2008, "Philippines Trails In Poverty Reduction, Says Un Report"
Dear admin: I still believe its important to share the view of the opposition.
Wikipedia should not be a board of a government.Truth222 (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reverting your changes to the article because the quotations and data about the economy are outdated, the apology of Cory was retracted as a joke, and overall makes the article imbalanced. We can't just fill the article with individual points of view. TheCoffee (talk) 02:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Economy

message: I restored the deleted part because it is not true/accurate to say that the survey is opposition sponsored. According to Pulse Asia:
The survey’s sampling design and questionnaire are the full responsibility of Pulse Asia’s pool of academic experts and no religious, political, economic or any other form of partisanship has been allowed to influence the survey design, the findings generated by the actual surveys or the subsequent analyses of survey findings.
Pulse Asia undertakes Ulat ng Bayan surveys on its own without any party singularly commissioning the research effort. (See Table 1) (See Table 2) (See Table 3)http://pulseasia.com.ph/pulseasia/story.asp?ID=632
Thanks.
Loloige (talk) 19:21, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pulse Asia survey on "Most Corrupt President in Philippine History" 

message: Just a curious anon passing by...isn't Arroyo more likely identified as GMA? Since that's the case, shouldn't that be put in the article as well? 24.83.117.204 (talk) 01:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Abbreviation?

message: I have read she is only 5 foot 2 inches tall, and thus the shortest filipino president ever!--86.29.240.184 (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Physical height

message: She will rule like Stalina Demonyita forever.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.68.114 (talk) 09:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improve the article about her. 

message: Therequiembellishere, I'd like to inquire: Why you are removing the list of Philippine presidents link denoting Macapagal-Arroyo as the 14th president? Lambanog (talk) 19:01, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Therequiembellishere's Reverts  

message: There is lack in her biography, she is a member of "Academia Filipina", this institution, based in Manila, is the co-regulator of the spanish language in brothership with some others in other countries.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.18.21.3 (talk) 17:59, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography 

message: When will her term ends? After she has voted? After election day? or what? Harel  (Not what you think?) 03:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term ends in? 

message: The term "Royal Blood" is archaic, and should be avoided for clarity. It also potentially violates WP:NPOV because it infers that the monarch/royal house lives on (though it's been powerless for centuries)... and gives such an individual's political ambitions more "legitimacy". But the Philippines is a democracy, and such claims are irrelevant as to technical eligibility, so it only serves as promotion. Why not use a more contemporary and descriptive term like "a direct descendant of [such and such] monarch"?  And... because this individual (Gloria) would not be notable enough to warrant an encyclopedia entry on being a descendant of a powerless monarchical line, there is probably no merit to including a reference to it in the introductory paragraph of the article.  If I see no reasoning put forward to the contrary I will probably end up changing it. Let me know if/why I am wrong here. Thanks!Retran (talk) 10:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since my proposal was not contested here on discussion I changed it. I changed it a week ago on the Diosdado Macapagal article (which has less attention) to test if it would be disputed on a live, but less-important article. Since this change had to do with neutrality I would appreciate a note here on talk as to the argument why a reference to "royal blood" is appropriate, neutral, and most importantly, notable. I feel it's important to also to question the notability of even including a mention of direct relation to a dead royal line in introduction, but I won't approach that issue now. Retran (talk) 06:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Royal Blood"