Talk:Pakistan Armed Forces

message: I want to talk about Israel. You see how many innocent children are being killed there. Our first Kaaba is Al-Aqsa Mosque.People are not allowed there. Why Pakistan Army is silent, we are Muslims, our job is to help our Muslim brothers and sisters. We will fight and Israel will conquer. We can do it, God is with us.We have the power of faith. Please think about it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jatteatty (talk • contribs) 03:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

message: This article seems to be the target of POV edits in favor of Pakistani nationalism.  Unfortunately, the links provided do not seem to discuss the topics referenced (meaning that the claims are apparently unsourced) so I reverted. siafu 21:54, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: I just got here; isn't there now a Pak Marine Corps?—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 06:09, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)
No! there isn't any. --SMS  Talk 09:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Marines

message: What is the source for Squadron Leader Muhammad Mahmood Alam's credit to 4 IAF kills in under 30 seconds? Please add it if the source is reliable as 4 air to air kills in less than 30 seconds sounds very dubious. (Bobbo9000 (talk) 15:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PAF Awards for Valor 

message: I've deleted the last two words.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.25.38 (talk) 12:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism: one caption refers to "General Humza Saeed, gay rapist" 

message: (discussion is from Pakistan )... the same applies here as well... I won't comment the line here, but just mention that a citation is needed.. Please note that the citation provided in Pakistan was unreliable...
"The armed forces of Pakistan are the sixth-largest in the world.[66]" ... 
1) The reference leads to some blog!
2) Please read List of countries by military expenditures ... A country which does not/cannot spend nearly as much the top 10 countries in the list can obviously not have a top 10 military!
3) Placing Pakistan at #4 will mean placing some of the following other nuclear powers below it, which is absurd to even comprehend! (USA, China, UK, France, Germany, Russia, India, Israel, <N. Korea>) Especially considering the economic status of the country!
4) Though I'm not going to base by judgement on the ratings given , it is nevertheless a MUCH better citation to base an article on!
5) As long as we don't have a credible source like a CIA report or something, we need to base our conclusions on Military spending.
*Even according to List of countries by number of troops, it's 7th largest! So, it's either 7th largest or the citation is wrong or both... But the two can't be accurate at the same time....
Now, we need not care about what a country or it's citizen thinks! I'm of the view that Pakistan deserves to be #1 considering the disproportionate passion of it's people. But unfortunately that is not the case and what is not true "cannot" show up on wikipedia as long as I'm not blocked! Based on these arguments I'm going to comment that statement because that's much better than terming the whole section/article disputed! Please escalate the matter to an admin or find a better citation and undo/uncomment the statement.
Amartya ray2001 (talk) 00:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Issue resolved... someone changed it to 7th largest which is accurate... Thanks a ton... did not expect someone to do it so soon :)
Amartya ray2001 (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pakistan army

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message: Gwadar Port is not on the hormuz straights
218.188.93.140 (talk) 08:21, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.- Happysailor (Talk) 20:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 8 February 2013 

message: By Princeton's Aqil Shah:
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:Added. -- SMS  Talk 07:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book for further reading section 

message: Someone please fix the flags on all of the countries that are listed as foreign suppliers; an additional good addition, time-permitting, would be the inclusion of the actual rank structure of the Pakistani armed forces, to include pictures of ranks and titles.
128.97.229.200 (talk) 01:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Note:  This article is no longer semi-protected, but under Pending changes, so you can make these edits yourself, but they will be reviewed before they become part of the article. Arjayay (talk) 09:15, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2014 

message: I was meaning to modify the caption on the map in this section as the writing is... less than perfect, but having looked at the image itself, the resolution is so low it's not entirely clear what it's trying to illustrate. Is it just there as a map of the region, and if so, why a 1997 map and why the link to deployment? Either way, is such a map necessary and if so is it worth trying to source a more clear and perhaps recent image? DoctorAdjective (talk) 21:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Deployments

message: Substituted at 18:07, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I noticed this article was removed from the copy edit backlog on 2 Jan, but I see a few small issues with it so I'll do what I can over the next day or two. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:30, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit Jan 2017 

message: As of 2017, the current Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee is Zubair Mahmood Hayat. The infobox needs to be updated. I can't seem to find 'edit' option for the infobox.
- Jan 8, 2017  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.88.232.94 (talk) 16:17, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current CJCSC 

message: I attemted to add information about the 1971 Bangladesh genocide. When doing so I made the egregious typo of putting the death toll at "300 000 to 3 000 000 000" which was properly recognized as an obvious error. I apologize for this and have now addded the information again, with the proper death toll, and with proper sources in both academic books and news articles. If someone finds fault with this information or the sources I encourage them to modify the sentence accordingly - many more sources are listed in 1971 Bangladesh genocide. It seems clear, however, that some mention of the genocide should be made in the History section. Hotchpotcher (talk) 12:14, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  1971 Bangladesh genocide 

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message: Khawaja Asif Is not A defence minister Please change it , Current Defence minister is 'Khurram Dastagir Khan'. Tayyabsiddique (talk) 14:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing In Defence Minister 

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message: Since his election, Trump has been critical of providing more military and financial aid to Pakistan since its real motive of participating in anti terror operations in now in question since Osama bin Laden was busted and killed in a US marines covert operation unknown even to Pakistan top brass, near Pakistan Army Area in Abotabad,  Pakistan, while Pakistan army had continually repeating that Osama has not been in Pakistan since long and was living in Afghanistan. This was further darkened by long history of Pakistan Army and ISI being blamed for terrorism across its neighbour India. This even resulted in protests across Pakistan including burning effigies of Donald Trump. 
There is no artcle for this on the page as these are recent developments. AbhinavKumar1998 (talk) 11:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This not a forum. Please be specific with what you wish to edit. Adamgerber80 (talk) 01:34, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relations strained under Donald Trump 

message: There is a wikipedia page about the topic which is directly related to the this page, edit was reverted without any discussion, before revert lets discuss the issue and than make changes Selfprjectiontube (talk) 10:13, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: the referenced page, clearly mentioned that ISI is the terrorist wing of pakistan armed forces Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#Inter-Services_Intelligence_and_terrorism Selfprjectiontube (talk) 12:43, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Some comments: Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference (and FWIW the claim you make does not even appear in that article).  All articles with material that is likely to be challenged need secondary, reputable, verifiable sources. A neutral point of view is required with all material.  The ISI is *not* the "terrorist wing" of the PAF; no reputable source will support that claim.  There is certainly evidence (such as the statements of former President Musharraf) that Pakistan sponsored militants entering a number of foreign zones of conflict, and that would be appropriate for this article, but this is an entirely different issue than that of the claim you inserted.--Goldsztajn (talk) 08:46, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrorism wing of pakistan army 

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message: Just now I added a starter section called "Criticism" near the end of the article. Soon after, a IP wants to remove it. Since it is an IP, it has become a pending change. I guess I can't do anything about that since that would be besides the point of the review and akin to pushing. But I do intend to understand why it can't stay if it goes, and that consensus should be sought properly. What's wrong with a little criticism? DTM (talk) 11:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not correlated with pak armed forces but as I checked at wikipedia policy "Avoid sections and articles focusing on criticisms or controversies" many of claims and stuff can be contributed to according to who  and also can be into body of article under other sections. Wikipedia is not soapbox for promotion or advocacy of any way and any sort, and some stuff can go more for some blogs or personal websites. Brzikraken (talk) 18:06, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  This applies for the entire article. Each section is promoting an aspect of the Pak Armed Forces. As per user being blocked, I have restored the criticism section. It doesn't seem undue. DTM (talk) 08:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

text:  But then that line written by the sockpuppet also makes sense of distributing the content under respective sections rather than create an entirely new one. Let's see how to go about this. DTM (talk) 09:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Before being blocked, Brzikraken took reference to Wikipedia:Criticism in this edit writing in the summary "As per wiki policy WP:NOCRIT". However, WP:NOCRIT is an essay. While this is only an ESSAY note must be made that "Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints."... accordingly the essay has to be understood in terms of this article and to what extent this applies as a norm/minority viewpoint rather than a policy or guideline over here. DTM (talk) 09:36, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   Since you have been really helpful with policy, please help me navigate this. Am I in the affirmative here or does Brzikraken have a point. I would have linked Bharatiya29 but seems they are blocked, they had given an affirmative during the AFD for the criticism. How do I counter what Brzikraken wrote? DTM (talk) 10:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: A "criticism" section can be well avoided since such sections do attract negative POVs. As for the IP disruption, I have requested ECP on RFPP now. I will be back here soon. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 15:09, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

text: I would prefer a section called "Dominance in Pakistan" or something similar, in place of "criticism". Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 15:18, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it sounds good about "Dominance in Pakistan" eventually instead of "dominance"  "influence". 109.93.105.4 (talk) 00:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism of Pakistan Armed Forces 

message: Change infobox national military (SERVICE BRANCHES): delete "Paramilitary forces", "Pakistan Marines", "Pakistan Coast Guards" -- these are not the official 3 branches of the Pakistan Armed Forces. The 3 branches of the Pakistan Armed Forces are: Pakistan Army, Pakistan Air Force, Pakistan Navy.
https://www.ispr.gov.pk/ Xeed.rice (talk) 05:12, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Branches that are contained within other branches are usually included in infoboxes - see United States Armed Forces. Just like with the US Marine Corps, the Pakistan Marines are part of the Pakistan Navy. I think cases can be made for the exclusion of the Pakistan Coast Guard and the Paramilitary Forces, but all such changes would be too controversial to make without a consensus. — Tartan357  (Talk) 05:29, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 May 2020 

message: They are part of the navy and not independence, not sure why this is in infobox. Shadow4dark (talk) 19:18, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pakistan Marines 

message: What kind of page is this?? I mean how can it help me? I wanna get some website that will inform me about pakarmy updates Ayeshafarhan1947 (talk) 00:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assalamualaikum 

message: Gamg 111.119.178.168 (talk) 05:35, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Staff_Headquarters_(Pakistan) 

message: I can't seem to find good sources on reserves of the Pakistani military. None of the book series The Military Balance I've consulted seem to contain this info (eg 2010, 2021 etc). Additionally, they list the National Guard of Pakistan under "paramilitary". According to The Military Balance 2021, Pakistan has 291,000 paramilitary consisting of:
*The National Guard (185,000)
*Frontier Corps (70,000)
*Pakistan Rangers (25,000)
*Airport Security Force (9,000)
*Maritime Security Agency (2,000)
*Pakistan Coast Guard (unspecified)
But nothing about Pakistan's reserves. Are these reserves part of the army? What are they called? Where are the figures in Pakistan Armed Forces#Troop strength coming from? Pinging , , , . VR talk 03:41, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, Pakistan has something called "Army Reserve North" and "Army Reserve South". Are those part of the "Active personnel" or the "reservists"? VR talk 03:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reserves 

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message: I am go to Army
Because I love Pakistan 39.36.213.234 (talk) 14:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medical 

message: Any one job plz 103.167.158.84 (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Computer  

message: active military 780,000 
reserve force 1,000,000
defence budget 15.0 billion Mustaqim raja (talk) 22:59, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 23:02, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2023 

message: I want to talk about Israel. You see how many innocent children are being killed there. Our first Kaaba is Al-Aqsa Mosque.People are not allowed there. Why Pakistan Army is silent, we are Muslims, our job is to help our Muslim brothers and sisters. We will fight and Israel will conquer. We can do it, God is with us.We have the power of faith. Please think about it. Jatteatty (talk) 07:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel