Talk:4-4-2 (locomotive)

message: Are the Reed, Brian (1972) and the Reid, p. 25. references the same reference book, and just a spelling mistake? --TubularWorld (talk) 23:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes – well spotted! I have now fixed it. Regards, Iain Bell (talk) 14:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reed/Reid references 

message: The following information was omitted from the 4-4-2 article since I believe it to be better suited to locomotive-specific articles. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 01:00, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: * I'd be inclined to keep this list. We have space, there aren't (unlike 4-6-2s) many of them surviving.Andy Dingley (talk) 10:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Been thinking that too, having slept on it. I'm far from done yet - most of these articles take me about 5 days to complete. Some are a real mess to start with!  André Kritzinger 12:14, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preserved 4-4-2 locomotives 

message: As a result of these engines being superseded by more modern steam traction, few have survived.
*Southern Pacific, 3025. Travel Town Museum, Los Angeles, CA.
*Chicago & North Western, 1015. National Museum of Transportation, St. Louis, MO.
*Pennsylvania Railroad E6s 460. Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, Strasburg, PA.
*Pennsylvania Railroad, 7002 (formerly 8063) Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, Strasburg, PA. Has steamed since preservation, now static.
*Detroit, Toledo & Ironton No. 45 Henry Ford Museum Dearborn, MI
*CNJ 592 B&O Railroad Museum, Baltimore, MD
:* I'd be inclined to keep this list. We have space, there aren't (unlike 4-6-2s) many of them surviving.Andy Dingley (talk) 10:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Been thinking that too, having slept on it. I'm far from done yet - most of these articles take me about 5 days to complete. Some are a real mess to start with!  André Kritzinger 12:14, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Survivors In the USA

message: (Bullied, 1967, p.143-4) refers to an after dinner re-union meeting at 27 November 1896 at the St. Pancras Hotel where Ivatt and Aspinall discussed ways for building larger engines the former's Sterling singles with a trailing axle and Aspinall's 4-4-0 high flyers needing a larger boiler.  At said meeting Ivatt was opined towards the 4-4-2 arrangement.  It was recognised two driving axles would provide less adhesion than three - but believed adhesion was not an issue for express passenger work,(at that time I believe train weights were shortly to increase), but the 4-4-2 arrangement gave more freedom in firebox design.  It was also discussed how they could leverage successful elements their existing designs onto a 4-4-2 format, (Bullied, 1967, p.109 indicate Aspinall read American technical literature and made a technical visit to the USA in 1890 to assess the latest techniques in locomotive engineering and steel-making.  As such "copied" is a slightly trite word,  though awareness of Baldwin/American (and much else) practice would have entered into their considerations. (It is do be noted many 4-6-0 designs at the start of the twentieth century were not fully successful, The Hughes' 4-6-0 for the L&YR (under Aspinall then as GM)  one notable exception being GWR 4-6-0's).   Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 03:07, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Ivatt / Aspilnall copied Baldwin's idea's