Talk:List of female United States presidential and vice presidential candidates

message: ===1952===
====Ellen Linea W. Jensen====
"Washington Peace. For President, Mrs. Ellen Linea W. Jensen', 50-year-old Miami grandmother and astrologist who claims to be in close communion with George Washington "on the other side"; for Vice President, a man whose identity Mrs. Jensen doesn't feel free to reveal. Candidate Jensen, who says she was a "Himalayan Master" in a previous incarnation, promises to stamp out Communism "within nine minutes" of her inauguration. Though her party is "very loosely organized" and has only "a bare possibility" of getting on the ballot in Texas and Washington, Mrs. Jensen believes she is a shoo-in, since her horoscope is favorable." "It's a Free County" TIME Magazine September 1, 1952
Did she actually get on the ballot?  Possibly Ellen W. Jensen (October 29, 1897 —	October 13, 1991) of Washington (from Social Security Death Index).
====Agnes Waters====
Agnes Waters candidate of American Women's Party or National Woman's Party, founded by Blanche Winters, a right-wing party in 1948 or 1952. Ballot status, write-in? Шизомби (talk) 15:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 1944, 1948, 1952, 1956 write in candidate.  Vote totals unknown. Шизомби (talk) 14:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions to resolve

message: ====Ellen Linea W. Jensen====
"Washington Peace. For President, Mrs. Ellen Linea W. Jensen', 50-year-old Miami grandmother and astrologist who claims to be in close communion with George Washington "on the other side"; for Vice President, a man whose identity Mrs. Jensen doesn't feel free to reveal. Candidate Jensen, who says she was a "Himalayan Master" in a previous incarnation, promises to stamp out Communism "within nine minutes" of her inauguration. Though her party is "very loosely organized" and has only "a bare possibility" of getting on the ballot in Texas and Washington, Mrs. Jensen believes she is a shoo-in, since her horoscope is favorable." "It's a Free County" TIME Magazine September 1, 1952
Did she actually get on the ballot?  Possibly Ellen W. Jensen (October 29, 1897 —	October 13, 1991) of Washington (from Social Security Death Index).
====Agnes Waters====
Agnes Waters candidate of American Women's Party or National Woman's Party, founded by Blanche Winters, a right-wing party in 1948 or 1952. Ballot status, write-in? Шизомби (talk) 15:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 1944, 1948, 1952, 1956 write in candidate.  Vote totals unknown. Шизомби (talk) 14:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 1952

message: Agnes Waters candidate of American Women's Party or National Woman's Party, founded by Blanche Winters, a right-wing party in 1948 or 1952. Ballot status, write-in? Шизомби (talk) 15:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 1944, 1948, 1952, 1956 write in candidate.  Vote totals unknown. Шизомби (talk) 14:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Agnes Waters

message: This site http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/80/1988/presEle.htm says Naomi Cohen was Larry Holmes' running mate, not Gloria LaRiva.  Perhaps there was some reason LaRiva couldn't be on the ballot in Ohio? 12:03, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1988

message: http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/index.php/about-us/historical-information/presidential-candidates has different info than Wikipedia, and doesn't specify which states tickets were on the ballot in.
Eugene McCarthy: " he came to have a grand total of 15 running mates in states where he was required to have one. At least eight of his running mates were women." http://special.lib.umn.edu/rare/mccarthy.phtml
Possibly there are others of Nader's and Fulani's too... and in any case, the specific vote totals for specific tickets need to be run down. Шизомби (talk) 15:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple running mates

message: http://www.jofreeman.com/politics/womprez03.htm may be helpful. Шизомби (talk) 00:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Losers of primaries

message: Not sure how to handle them, as they can include people who aren't running for president at all, or who are not running for a specific party's nomination at all.  E.g. in 2008, Barbara Boxer,  Cynthia McKinney, Candice Miller, and Condoleezza Rice got votes in these, but they were not running for the Democratic or Republican nominations. I suppose the solution is to do somewhat as Project Vote Smart does, "All "Announced" candidates have formed or announced a Presidential exploratory or campaign committee with the Federal Election Commission or filed a statement of candidacy. "Potential" candidates have publicly expressed an interest in a Presidential campaign or their interest has been suggested by the media."  Thus, to include votes for announced candidates, and exclude votes for potential candidates.  Though I could see how the latter could be interesting to include as well.  Шизомби (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Straw polls 

message: I have added Sarah Palin to the list along with a note that while it has been widely reported by media, McCain has not made an official announcement. Once he does, I (or someone else, depending on whether I am home or away) should remove the note. Smartyllama (talk) 14:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarah Palin 

message: Stumbled across this http://cheryllindseyseelhoffforpresident.wordpress.com/ indicating an intention to run for President under the "Free Soil Party" but no mention of a vice-presidential candidate or ballot access that I've come across yet, or whether she received any write-in votes.  Might deserve further investigation; she does seem to be someone who may merit an article of her own even if she doesn't qualify for this list. Шизомби (talk) 00:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheryl Lindsey Seelhoff 2008 

message: The two party nominee tables in this article work pretty well, since the total number of votes gives an easily understood metric of which candidacies attracted the most support.  But the next two tables, the candidates for party nomination, don't present well.  It's hard to see at a glance which are the major party candidates and which are the minor; it confuses women who were really running with women who just picked up a stray vote or two at a convention; and it gives incommensurate figures in the same column.  Will the reader looking at this be able to tell that Shirley Chisholm is the second-most successful female nomination candidate ever?  Not easily.  Will they be able to tell that Michele Bachmann was a serious candidate during the year before the primaries and who participated in many presidential nomination debates and who won the Iowa Straw Poll?  No.  Will they be able to tell that Elvena Lloyd-Dufﬁe's second- and third-place primary finishes are not very significant since Bill Clinton was running for renomination unopposed by any serious candidates that year?  No.  At a minimum, I think the "Details" column should be split into three - total primary votes, total delegates, and other comments.  That would better allow readers to see who the more successful candidates have been.  Wasted Time R (talk) 10:42, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candidate for party nomination tables don't present well 

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message: and no woman has ever become President
might become
and no woman, with the arguable exception of Edith Wilson in 1920, has ever become President
136.63.45.89 (talk) 05:57, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting point, but after doing some research, Wilson herself insisted that she never assumed the full power of the presidency, at best she used some of its prerogatives on behalf of a husband. ThiefOfBagdad (talk) 11:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention Edith Wilson? 

message: Hillary isn't the nominee yet. Andrevan@ 16:54, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: We should leave the check-mark & x-mark, out, until the convention. Meanwhile, the background coloring is alright, as it's indicated as presumptive presidential nominee. GoodDay (talk) 21:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

text: Others can decide on the ordering criteria. As for the background coloring? whether we like it or not, the Republican & Democratic parties are the major political parties of the USA. There hasn't been a US President or US Vice President from any other political party, since Millard Fillmore. GoodDay (talk) 11:45, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomination doesn't happen until the convention 

message: What purpose does it serve? It seems to rank by vote total, but vote total has its own column (it'd be easy enough to use  to ensure Hillary 2016 is at the top while her vote total is not finalized). – Muboshgu (talk) 19:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonetheless, it's very important though. It's historically been a major struggle for women to gain votes in elections, even though it might seem like something very standard now. Those votes represent people that want a female President, whether they voted for her in the primaries or in the general election. It's taken centuries for a major party to choose a woman as their nominee about a week ago, so up until November 8, let's inlude Clinton's primary voting totals, which are the second highest for any woman in history. ThiefOfBagdad (talk) 09:43, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Number" column 

message: There is someone editing this article and adding this language:  
"Although the establishment and the corporate media have declared her the nominee and based on the assumption that Senator Sanders will back her"
"it, needs to be noted that the DNC allotted all the Super Delegates to Secretary Clinton even before anybody else had declared candidacy for the Democratic nomination.  Currently several states have resolved, at their state conventions, to eliminate the system of super delegates which is inherently undemocratic."
How is this encyclopedic? I deleted this language. Not only is not encyclopedic but it is factually incorrect. Not "all" superdelegates declared for Clinton before the primaries began.
Also on the table that lists all presidential candidates by popular vote, Jill Stein is listed as "presumptive nominee" and someone changed Hillary Clinton from "presumptive nominee" to "awaiting convention". How is Jill Stein the presumptive nominee from the Green Party but Hillary Clinton is not the presumptive nominee from the Democratic Party? One can cite MULTIPLE news articles declaring Hillary Clinton the presumptive nominee, even President Obama referred to her as such. Even Bernie Sanders has admitted that it is not likely that he will be the nominee. He is no longer talking about trying to flip superdelegates in order to force a "contested convention". 2601:146:C300:A695:5496:E9AA:F83F:B04 (talk) 04:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contested Convention/Presumptive Nominee 

message: The "General election candidates" table was already redundant when it was first added as "Presidential candidates by popular vote" back in March 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=next&oldid=712773360  It was made marginally less redundant by the arbitrary threshold for that table of 30,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=prev&oldid=712784113  However, given that one can click the vote column in the other tables and thereby have the columns sorted by number of votes descending from the highest number of votes to lowest number, those tables still are quite redundant and contribute to making an already long page that much longer.
The 30,000 threshold was removed on November 10, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=prev&oldid=748895584
The "General election candidates" table is headed by the explanation "This list includes female candidates who have run or are currently running for President of the United States in a general election and are sorted by the number of votes they received in the election."  It does not explain what makes that table different from the "Party nominees" table that follows it.
The "Primary election candidates" table was added on November 11, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=cur&oldid=748895584
The "Primary election candidates" table is headed by the explanation "This list includes female candidates for a party nomination for President of the United States who ran in at least one primary or caucus, sorted by the number of votes they received during their run."  It does not explain what makes that table different from the "Not nominated by party" table that follows it.  Patsy Mink, the most recent addition to the "Primary election candidates" table is Patsy Mink https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=749400611&oldid=749220454 who received 8,286 votes.  That's below the 30,000 threshold for the "Presidential candidates by popular vote" table from which the "Primary election candidates" table had been created.  She was already on the "Not nominated by party" table.
Perhaps there is a justification for having redundant tables (and/or a way of making them not so redundant), but at present the justification doesn't appear in the article.  Any editor who can justify them ought to add an explanation to the article that indicates what makes those tables different than the other tables!  The photos are a nice addition, at least, and I'm glad there's some other editors who at least find the topic interesting enough to get involved!
For my own part, I think better things to focus on would include: sourcing information, adding candidates who aren't in the article at all (I recently found some that were missed), determining for third party candidates the extent of their ballot access, finding a better way of listing information in the "Details" columns, which has never been satisfying the way it is.  Maybe adding columns for the percentage of the total popular vote.
Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 00:35, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Elizabeth Gray received 5,449 votes for president.  

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message: The page mentions Woodhall as the first woman to run, however she was constitutionally unable to be president due to her age. This should be reflected on the page, either in her picture at the beginning, adding the first eligible woman, or removing Woodhall. IEditThingsForYou (talk) 18:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victoria Woodhall’s inclusion 

message: In the 2020 Presidential election cycle, there are currently 6 women in the Democratic Party running for President: Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Kirsten Gillibrand, Tulsi Gabbard, and Marianne Williamson. When will they be added to the list?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.6.30 (talk) 21:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020 female Democratic presidential candidates: when will they be added to the list?  

message: This seems to be the only table unsorted by date as a default. Any issues with making this change? --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:16, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candidates who received electoral college votes 

message: "Debate stage" should be defined better in some way. 
"As a major party nominee, Clinton became the first woman to participate in a presidential debate"; "Prior to the 2020 United States presidential election cycle, only five women throughout history had made it to a debate stage: Democrats Shirley Chisholm (in 1972), Carol Moseley Braun (in 2004), and Hillary Clinton (in 2008 and 2016), and Republicans Michele Bachmann (in 2012) and Carly Fiorina (in 2016); there had never been more than one woman on the debate stage at one time, and there had never been more than two women running per party at one time." etc.
Multiple women have been in debates prior to third party primaries, and multiple women who were third party nominees for president have been in debates with other third party candidates.  Sometimes those may have involved more than one, or more than two running per party.
The distinction that the article text seems to be trying to make has to do with major party candidates.  That should be explicitly stated in some way.  The type of debate should also be specified, and it might not hurt to have specific dates and citations.  I leave it to the active editors of the list to work out the best wording, though.  I'm barely a lurker at present. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 04:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debate stage content 

message: We should add the 2020 Libertarian candidate for president, Jo Jorgenson:   Dkalweit (talk) 21:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: — Tartan357  (Talk) 05:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020 Libertarian Candidate 

message: I question the highlighting of Jill Stein and Jo Jorgensen in the multiple image box. Their candidacies are certainly of some note, but surely there are more notable "firsts" than being the first nominee of third-parties. For instance, Geraldine Ferraro being the first major-party VP nominee (for the Democrats) and Sarah Palin being the Republican Party's first female VP nominee. Or Margaret Chase Smith being the first female candidate for a major party's nomination. SecretName101 (talk) 00:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that edit is not even correct (Cynthia McKinney was the first woman nominated by the Green Party), I'm removing it for now and we can discuss inclusions first. I personally think Woodhull and Clinton should be the only images, unless a woman is elected vice president in this upcoming election (which is a strong possibility), when she can be added as well. [[User:Jjj1238|{ [ ( jjj]] [[User talk:Jjj1238|1238 ) ] }]] 01:27, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't even think to question. Should have occurred to me that McKinney was the first Green Party female nom, I spent a lot of time improving the 2008 Green Party primaries article years ago. SecretName101 (talk) 00:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

text: That isn't true anyways, Gloria La Riva, for instance, has already run both as a Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominee.  SecretName101 (talk) 00:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images in multiple image box 

message: The lists General election candidates by popular vote and Primary election candidates are currently listing number of votes, and sorts by that number. What is the rationale behind that? I don't have enough context to know whether this is a consistent reliable indicator over the decades, but it would make much more sense to me to add the percentage of the total vote, and sort by that percentage instead. For all I know, the 1964 primaries were held in a very different fashion, and if 7100 votes was actually out of a total of 25,000 that would give an entirely different meaning to the number. Any thoughts? effeietsanders 03:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That could involve a fair amount of work, but would probably be a useful data field if anyone was inclined to create it. As it is, though, two years out, a number of the smaller vote tallies haven't been added. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 13:02, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of votes, percentage