Talk:Venstre (Denmark)

message: #Support Soman 06:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Support move to [[Left (Denmark)]]

message: #Support, but strongly oppose the move to Left (Denmark) Electionworld 07:11, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Support move to [[Venstre (Denmark)]]

message: #Support, according to Wikipedia policy to use the most common name in an English context, see my comment below. / Alarm 19:02, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Venstre (Denmark) was the preferred choice. violet/riga (t) 18:05, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Decision

message: Is it possible to substantiate the claim that Venstre is the biggest party in Denmark? I know it received the highest number of votes in the last elections, but is it larger than the Social Democrats in terms of membership? - Soman
It changes from time to time. Venstre is the largest some periods, Social Democrats some periods.
Polkaface (talk) 22:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biggest party? 

message: Right now, the article says: "Venstre occupied the more leftist position in the then Danish parliament" in the paragraph about the historical basis for the party. Actually, at that time, elected representatives were only meant to represent themselves in the parliament (and not parties), and the party name was therefore not official for a long time. At the time, it was not allowed to speak of political parties, so when legislative suggestions were made, the politicians would say something along the lines of "I and some of my friends have made this suggestion", instead of referring to a political party. People sat next to the people they agreed with in the actual Folketing chamber, the people later involved in founding Venstre were seated in the left side of the chamber, them being more or less "left wing" was only a part of the debate much later --Jakob mark 14:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical basis for the name 

message: Since Venstre supports a welfare state quite like the one currently in place in Denmark (at least that's their official façade), I'd say they are more social liberalists. What do you think? Ghent 18:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Social liberalism is not the ideological basis for the current party. Both social liberalism and classical liberalism were mainstream views in "The United Venstre" formed in 1870, however classical liberalism dominated. The minority social liberal wing broke away in 1905 forming the Danish Social Liberal Party (Det Radikale Venstre). The classical liberalist majority stayed and changed the party name to the "Venstre Reform Party" and in 1910 plain "Venstre". Supporting a welfare state is not a "facade" it is the opinion held by every single party represented in the Danish Parliament, so by that token, they could all be labelled as "socialists" or "social liberals" (which makes very little sense). Regarding this issue, the main difference between the parties is merely how big such a system should be and how it should be structured. The definition should stay as it is. Valentinian (talk) 20:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What does make them classical liberals then? It seems that Anders Fogh Rasmussen has followed the same ideological path of Guy Verhofstadt, for example. Intangible 17:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They claim to be so, and they have cut back on the welfare state when they have been in power.Polkaface (talk) 23:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideology?

message: Just to prevent an edit war, I'm starting a discussion about what should be in the "ideology" section. Valentinian and Karmus have been rv'ing eachother's edits about this. Personally, I agree with Valentinian. The ideology should be just liberalism. Neither centrism nor centre-right are really ideologies, just positions. In any case, we should try and agree on what to put in the article rather than starting an edit war. If anyone can cite an official Wikipedia policy for their opinion, that would be the best thing, I believe. Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • &site=  count) 09:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why I state Venstre as a center-oriented party, is because of their current politics and equalness with the Social Democrats as stated by numerous public medias of Denmark. And based on the fact that Anders Fogh (the leader) has expressed that 'liberalism is an outdated ideology' in one of the sources in the article. If liberalism is an 'outdated ideology' according to him, how come it is the only ideology in the fact-box? And if you look at the other parties, for instance Enhedslisten, you see that there are different ideologies listed in theirs. Furthermore, I can't see why it is disallowed to mark where the party stands on the political scale. The rubrique clearly says Official ideology/political position, which must mean that the position is not filled out. Can you see my point? As long as Valentinian is not an Wikipedia-admin, I pretend this as censoring buddies as he apparently cuts everything out he does not agree with. As you can see at his profile page, he is a member of Venstre himself and tries to put his own strong faith in his party politics on the agenda, killing opinions of those who look at Venstre with neutral eyes. Karmus (talk) 10:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'll have to agree with you on the "political position" thing, of course; I hadn't really noticed that. However, we should still stick to the "official" thing. Their official ideology, regardless of what commentators have said or Rasmussen's claim about liberalism, is certainly still liberalism. Indeed, their official Danish name, when translated, is "Venstre - Denmark's Liberal Party". As for the official political position, I guess it can be included if you can find a source on their official political position. Until you can do so, I'll have to trust Valentinian's claim that their website mentions nothing about an official political position, as my brief investigation has led me to the same conclusion. Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • &site=  count) 10:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with the political position. It can be described in the text. The problem is that the position is specific to the Danish political scale and doesn't make sense outside Denmark. Besides it is an info-box, it should list the official data. If you have links to critics explaining that Venstre no longer follows their officially stated politics, please add it somewhere in the article. It is relevant, just not an official description. Carewolf (talk) 11:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Karmus, administrators have no authority over the content of articles, and personal attacks are not allowed on Wikipedia. I'm here as an editor, and I've personally *chosen* to state publicly that I am a member of this party, ok? In fact, I've also studied its roots, and I've over the course of 10 years spoken to hundreds of Venstre members about all sorts of policy issues, so I am entitled to draw my own conclusion about Venstre's position based on these observations. You have every right to disagree with my conclusions but not to attack me simply because I draw different conclusions than you. And at the end of the day, both of our personal analyses of Venstre's ideology are irrelevant. Both are the products of our two brains and can be disputed by others. What can be proven beyond reasonable doubt is that Venstre's official party programme passed in 2006 by the party convention, uses the word "Liberal" 14 times, and "Liberal" is included in the official party name. "Centre-right" is not used at all in the party programme. Fogh's one-time statement is interesting, but only the annual party convention has the authority to decide Venstre's long-term policy. Carewolf is right that "Centre-right" only makes sense in a Danish context. This is an international project, and we have readers from around the world but primarily from the United States. From the point of view of a person used to the political system in the United States, all Danish political parties are left-wing / Socialist, and I would also oppose if an American decided to go through all articles about Danish political parties changing the description of their relevant ideologies to "Socialist". In contrast, describing political parties using their official ideologies is a straightforward solution, since such descriptions can be easily documented, and I support this solution for the articles about all political parties. Valentinian T / C 01:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Valentinian. centre-right is not useful as a description since that depends on where the center is currently located. Venstre does not describe themselves as a right-centrist party and neither should we. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 16:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideology 

message: In what meaning is liberal conservatism listed here? As Conservative on moral and social issues, or as more libertarian, promoting individual liberty with economic freedom? Thanks --Novis-M (talk) 01:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Liberal conservatism? 

message: if venstre is a centre-right party then why on earth is it called venstre?(left) --Infestor (talk) 14:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the political landscape in the second half of the 19th century (when the party was founded) was vastly different than it is today. Like in Norway, Denmark was then dominated by two main parties, namely Venstre or "Left" (the liberals) and Højre or "Right" (the conservatives). With the emergence of the Social Democratic parties, liberalism and conservatism now became centre to centre-right in the European context, while socialism/social democracy became "the left". – Bellatores (t.) 16:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Nope. Because that is not its name. And there are two other liberal parties, one called Liberal Alliance, and the Social Liberal party called Radical Left.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 09:13, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't have objections to retitling the article Liberal Party (Denmark), but first we have to agree upon whether or not most English language sources title the party as Liberal Party rather than the Venstre (see WP:COMMONNAME). Personally, I have seen English language scholarly sources call it the Liberal Party, but they may not be the majority.--Autospark (talk) 15:57, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

text: In 2005 it was moved from Liberal Party (Denmark) to the current title Venstre (Denmark) at #Requested move. A new move would require a new requested move process. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:19, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

text: i am harshly against any mistraslations (which is in my opinion for to common in nordic countries) Braganza (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name of the party 

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message: I suggest renaming the Venstre party to The National Liberal party. This is because that they are a mildy nationalist and right leaning party, so it would make sense calling them National Liberals. Hifnakia (talk) 06:39, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't give parties names based on what we think of them.  ― Heb the best (talk) 07:20, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

text: You would have to send that suggestion to the party organization. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 07:29, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: no we shouldnt Braganza (talk) 10:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New naming suggestion 

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