Talk:Henri, Count of Chambord

message: It seems to me that on October 28, 2005, an anonymous editor has copied "Henri, comte de Chambord" and duplicated the page as "Henry V of France" (with a link from the first page to the term "Henry V" which links in turn to "Henry V of France").  Can we agree to delete this second page?  There should just be a redirect from "Henry V of France" to "Henri, comte de Chambord". Noel S McFerran 01:00, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate page

message: Shouldn't Henry V's surname be de France since he did indeed become King of France and of Navarre? I didn't know it could go back to d'Artois. Charles 15:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO, the name of the article should be Henry V of France. Why people are desconsidering the fact that he was proclaimed king? --Tonyjeff 00:27, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The title of the page is based on popular and scholarly usage. The question was about a fact within the content of the article rather than the title of the article itself. Charles 06:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still, I think the name of the article should be Henry V of France. --Tonyjeff 18:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please start a separate discussion on the matter then as this question does not involve the article title. Charles 19:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surname 

message: On August 19, 2007, Wedineinheck added to this article the Category:Orléanist pretenders to the French throne.  I removed it, but Wedineinheck then replaced it with the edit summary "No, really ! He was both for a time." What evidence can Wedineinheck provide that Henri was the Orléanist pretender?  Please cite a specific book which refers to him as this. Noel S McFerran 13:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is explicitely stated in this article and in the one regarding "Philippe VII of France". In 1870-1871, and more or less until his death of 1883, Henri d'Artois was the pretender of both orleanists and legitimists, as Philippe d'Orléans agreed to make way for him. Wedineinheck (talk) 21:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I concur that the fact that the Orleanist pretender "retired" and recognized Chambord's rights, doesn't make Chambord the Orleanist pretender. Noel S McFerran (talk) 14:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orleanist pretender 

message: I've removed the category for heir apparents who never ascended to the throne.  He was never heir apparent.  During Charles X's reign, the King's elder son, Louis, Duke of Angoulême, was heir-apparent.  The Duc de Bordeaux wasn't even his heir apparent - he could have been displaced had Angoulême had any sons of his own.  john k (talk) 16:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In agreement, Henry was never heir-apparent. GoodDay (talk) 16:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  heir apparent 

message: The title of Duke outranks Comte (Count) shouldn't the title be Henri, Duc de Bordeaux.- Crois 129  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.167.234.162 (talk) 08:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevertheless he is known to history as the comte de Chambord, because he actually held Chambord and preferred that title. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Comte de Chambord was his title of pretension when he was claimant to the throne.  Duc de Bordeaux was the title used in his childhood, when he was merely heir-presumptive. john k (talk) 16:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duc de Bordeaux 

message: Seeing as the article subjects 'title' was changed to Count of Chamboard, shouldn't the name be anglonized too (from Henri to Henry)? GoodDay (talk) 21:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The english language version 

message: Out of curiosity, why is the name on the title "Henry," when the proper spelling of the name is "Henri?" I see no reason to turn a French noble's name into its English counterpart, especially when the rest of the article uses the French version of the name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.28.88 (talk) 21:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved this post to its proper chronological position.  In future, please post all new topics at the BOTTOM of the page.  It seems this question has been addressed by later posts, see below.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  10:06, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Why was article move from Henri, comte de Chambord to Henry, Count of Chambord done arbitrarily? Comment of 25 May 2010 by john k demonstrates that a discussion is/was/would have been necessary.   
--Frania W. (talk) 17:34, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone moved without discussion, it was John Kenney; I've discussed my restoration of the long-standing English Count as much as he has his innovation. Please get your facts straight. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I do confirm that the correct name is Henri in French (Henry does not exist in French!). I don't know the policy here on :en (to anglonize or not), but this Henry looks strange to people (like me) with French as mother tongue...  Zetud (talk) 18:59, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And I would strongly oppose its use on fr.wikipedia.org; but English is spoken here. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't mean that we arbitrarily translated people's names. For example Nicolas Sarkozy isn't going to be moved to "Nicholas Sarkozy". The man's name was Henri, not Henry. 75.76.213.106 (talk) 07:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Move done with no previous discussion

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: moved to Henri, Count of Chambord. Favonian (talk) 13:04, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Henry, Count of Chambord → Henri, Count of Chambord or Henri, comte de Chambord — Most sources call him Henri. The results of previous undiscussed moves have cause some conflicts as one can see above this, so lets vote on this issue.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 04:20, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Just 2 supports & for that matter, just 2 participants. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the page move, which was carried out. GoodDay (talk) 19:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request Move 

message: As of 1883, virtually all French monarchists, whether originally of a Legitimist or Orléanist stripe, recognized the Comte de Paris as the legitimate monarchical claimant and heir to the comte Chambord. Only a tiny minority rejected the House of Orléans and preferred the Carlist pretender. It seems absurd to only list the latter as Chambord's "successor" as pretender. Surely we should, at the very least, also be directing people to the claimant who actually had a significant number of supporters and who became the actual claimant to the French monarchical tradition, rather than some farcical Spaniard recognized by only the most reactionary of the reactionary. That, in the 20th century, a new "Legitimist" movement sprang up among those dissatisfied with the then-Orléanist claimant doesn't mean we should read that history backwards and pretend as though the Count of Montizon's claim was anything but a curiosity. john k (talk) 04:27, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Successor" 

message: If Louis XVII is listed as Louis XVII, then of course Henri V should be listed as Henri V as well.
Otherwise there is no consistency. Henri V did not reign, but neither did Louis XVII.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.156.126.230 (talk) 19:09, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of Article name 

message: Please see Talk:Henry III of France#Why the anglicized "Henry"? — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henri versus Henry 

message: I think my edits today may have been misunderstood. I do not have any objection to, nor deliberately edit out, titles of pretence borne by claimants and their family members. There may be a disagreement, however, about the relevant custom around use of those titles: whereas it is appropriate and usual to refer to the younger brother of a pretender as, for example, "Prince John of X, Duke of Y", it is usual to style the actual claimant or Head of House as "Edward, Count of Z", omitting the princely prefix. Examples: 1. Prince Eudes, Duke of Angoulême vs. Jean, Count of Paris 2. Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia vs. Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples. FactStraight (talk) 06:37, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles of pretence 

message: It is considered likely by historians that Henri did not want to return as monarch, and the flag business was just an excuse so he could continue his easy and luxurious life in exile. (86.140.123.117 (talk) 15:43, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  As monarch