Talk:Peter and Murray Corren

message: I do think it's relevant to mention that they have an adopted son; it clarifies to a significant extent why they got involved in an education-related complaint in the first place. Without the mention, it can be surmised by the reader that they did it from some abstract principle with no bearing on their own lives, rather than because it actually had a direct impact on their own son's education. Bearcat 18:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think you're right, especially since they were at the forefront of the issue of fosterage/adoption by same-sex couples.  I'm digging around for some references.  I think it should probably be moved from the first sentence ('they are a same-sex couple') to the second ('among the first couples to adopt') but will wait until we hear some more. Bucketsofg✐ 21:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Further edits

message: Deetdeet brings up the settlement in his last post.  It might be useful if we here on the talk-page can clarify what this says and means.  Here is my stab at what it says:
*§1 Alternative delivery policy.  This is the policy by which parents have the rights to pull their children out of (e.g.) sex-ed classes.  As I understand the agreement, parents' right to do this are now limited to specific courses (where sex-ed. is done).
*§2A Internal curriculum review process.  As part of its curriculum review process, the government ('respondent') will issue guidelines to the ministry to help inclusivity and respect for diversity; the government will consult with the Correns and provide them with a draft; the Correns have one month to comment on the guidelines; the final implementation will come a month after that.
*§2B Amplification.  The Correns will provide a list of relevant authorities from which feedback will be soliticited. 
*§2C Schedule.  The government will inform the Correns of their schedule for curriculum reform; the Correns can request that changes be made to that schedule; the government will provide an answer as to why scheduling has been changed or not.
*3 Social Justice IRP.  This provides for the creation of the Social Justice option in grade 12.  The government will provide the  Correns with a draft of the LBGT-portion and consider their revisions.
*4 Guidelines.  The government will create a diversity guide to help teachers.  The Correns will be consulted.
*5 Public statement.  If the government and Correns can agreed on a joint statement they will issue one; otherwise, either can say what they want.
*6 Meetings.  The Correns will meet twice (?) at six-month intervals with Deputy minster to discuss progress.
*7-11.  Legalitities
Bucketsofg✐ 14:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what settlement says 

message: My view of the settlement is that BC government did little but agree to hear the Correns' views; they've committed themselves to no specific changes and have the final word in any exchange with the Correns.  They have to tell the Correns of their planned schedule, give the Correns the chance to say they'd rather curriculum x be revised before curriculum y, but get to decide about how they proceed and what changes get implemented.  I've therefore down-graded the introductory statement about 'appointment'.  On a broader note, I think it is important that we recognize that both the Correns and the social-conservatives have motives here to overstate how great a role the Correns will have.  It seems to me more likely that the Ministry will have to do nothing that they didn't already want to do.  Bucketsofg✐ 14:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: what the settlement means

message: This paragraph strikes me as much longer and more detailed than it needs be
:Finally, the settlement means the Ministry will clarify for all education partners its policy of "Alternative Delivery" of specific parts of the curriculum. This means that students or their parents may access "alternative delivery" in only very specific parts of the curriculum (i.e., the "Health" sections of "Health and Career Education" Kindergarten to Grade Ten). The policy applies to no other curricula and, therefore, if a lesson in Social Studies deals with LGBT topics, there will not be an opportunity for students to have those lessons learned outside of the regular classroom. As a result, students would not be able to opt out of any curriculum changes; they would still be required to demonstrate a knowledge of the material being taught.
I suggest it be shortened to something like this: 
:One controversial feature of the agreement is that the provision of "Alternative Delivery", which allows parents to opt their children out of parts of the curriculum, will be limited to specific courses.  This means that students will be unable to avoid LGBT topics in all classes.
:Bucketsofg✐ 21:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose I could be wrong, but my understanding is that these limitations to alternative delivery already existed, and the Corren agreement didn't change them, but simply called for a clarification of the policy as it already stood. If I understand this correctly, then we need to ensure that we clearly present it as an already-extant feature of BC education policy rather than some newfangled result of the Corren agreement. Though if I am wrong, please clarify. Bearcat 21:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd guess that you're more or less right, but the larger context is changing.  When I was young, all school textbooks presented police as male and nurses as female, and part of what happened in the 70s and 80s was police women and male nurses began appearing in a variety of contexts.   Part of what the BC-Corren deal involves is doing that with gays.  Up until now, everyone has assumed that the only classes where material might be controversial enough that parents might need an opt-out were health and sex-ed.  In order to prevent chaos, the opt-out is being limited to these old cases.  (This is all speculation on my part.)  Bucketsofg✐ 22:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative Delivery 

message: I have again reverted a change of all instances of "gay" and "LGBT" in the article to "male homosexual".  The Correns' activism is broader than the narrower term implies, and "LGBT" accurately describes the scope of it.  "Gay" and "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people" and in common usage and are used in the sources, and there is no reason not to reflect this in the article.
Edits made with the explicit point of expressing disapproval of homosexuality and the use of the word "gay" (e.g. ) are a clear violation of attempting to obtain a neutral point of view in the article.--Trystan (talk) 03:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing "LGBT" and gay to "male homosexual" 

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