Talk:Happy Rhodes

message: I added short sound files to illustrate Happy Rhodes' vocal range. Xenussister 04:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i removed the following:
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 in a live performance of the Queen song "Lily of the Valley". 
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although it's not out of the question that she can hit a d6, this sound file doesn't demonstrate it; it's only a d5. a d6 would sound **much** higher (think mariah carey squeak range). Benwing 02:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I think I understand the problem. We're using scientific notation where middle C is C4.K8 fan 14:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have proof. Here is a screenshot of Seventh String Software's "Transcribe" program displaying the note in question:
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You can download a 30 day trial of this program and download the file and check it your self. In the absence of any proof to the contrary, I'm going to re-insert the claim.K8 fan 04:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It appears to be actual evidence. The Mariah Carey page just has anecdotal assertions, no actual measurements - "some claim" rather than a listing of songs and notes. The Kate Bush page is better, but still not accurate (I'll be fixing that). Even the Yma Sumac page doesn't cite songs. The Minnie Ripperton page is better, but still doesn't accurately describe her claimed range. Happy is singing the note, but possibly the note has more overtones than the same note sung by a true soprano. K8 fan 07:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I added screenshots of the two notes in question to the section. We need clarification about this by trained singers. Middle C is C4, but is the B immediately to the left of C4 on the piano keyboard B4 or B3, given that octaves are counted from "C" to "C"?K8 fan 14:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One other thing adding to the confusion is that some MIDI programs call Middle C "C3" rather than C4.K8 fan 19:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't claim to be a trained singer or to have perfect pitch. But I do have 30 years experience as an audio engineer. I started in the days before automated feedback suppression and had to quickly and accurately identify the frequency of a squeal and adjust the parametric equalizer to notch out a specific frequency. Anyway, I generated a tone in Adobe Audition at 1174.66 Hz, which is D6 according to the Piano key frequencies page. 1174.66 Hz pasted into the left, upper channel, the note in question in the right, lower channel. It is pretty clear that these two waveforms are the same frequency, and therefore D6. K8 fan 09:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocal Range 

message: I've translated the biographical information into a hopefully POV-free form. Added information about her name, and the Wikiproject:Musicians infobox. K8 fan 04:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added biographical information 

message: I think the template  needs to be added to the Discography section.  It is currently just a long list with a lot of technical details about Rhodes's albums.  Shouldn't each album have a separate article, or at least be better formatted? I'm not an English wikipedia expert, just an occasional contributor, but it just looks ugly at the moment. --Eitheladar 07:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please feel free to expand and clean the section up. I suspect Xenussister feels that she doesn't have the necessary distance from the music of Happy Rhodes to write an objective summary  of each album. K8 fan 13:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it's fine as it is, but if you feel you can improve it, feel free :) --Marc 03:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked with Xenussister, and she's in the process of putting up various interviews in order to provide sources for references. But separate articles would be a worthwhile improvement. K8 fan 20:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in the process of making individual articles for each album, in order. When I have them completed, I'll modify the page to remove the bulk of the listings. K8 fan 03:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've built individual pages for each album. Please link to and expand. K8 fan 15:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, I modified the discography section into a chronological overview of Happy's career. Now that I've done the grunt-work, is anyone willing to step up and expand this? K8 fan 16:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup of Discography section? 

message: I've been engaged in a somewhat circular discussion above about how the section in this article on vocal range is a violation of Wikipedia's no original research policy. That still seems like a problem to me, but on reading through the whole article again, I think the complete lack of references is a bigger one.
This is a very detailed article on an artist with (clearly) a devoted fan base and (equally clearly) a fairly minor career in purely commercial terms. It's well written, but it has absolutely no supporting references whatsoever, which isn't appropriate for an article with this level of detail. I also think it's up for debate whether that level of detail is appropriate for a performer of Rhodes' stature (e.g. why do we need a list of minor artists who have supported her during live performances?). 
Anyway, wanted to get some comments from people rather than just ripping through the article and added citation, peacock, and OR tags and templates everywhere. It's quite probable that much of this information won't be citable from sources which meet Wikipedia's verifiability criteria. But to my mind, that's an argument to remove the information, not to leave it. As it stands, the entire piece could be fiction for all the casual reader knows. Gusworld (talk) 05:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References needed 

message: Haven't checked this article for a while; it's still got major problems in terms of lack of citations, weasel words and neutrality. But what really stuck out this time was the huge section quoting Rhodes on why there are monsters on her album covers. It was unsourced ("kind permission of Happy Rhodes" is not a verifiable source), and way too lengthy, especially given that the only justification for including it was an equally unsourced claim that some listeners might find the covers confusing. I can't see any reason why the information is needed in Rhodes' Wikipedia article at all, and as ever would point out that reputable and verifiable external sources would be needed to reintroduce it. Gusworld (talk) 06:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monsters section 

message: Returning to this page some four years after last editing it, I immediately had to remove the 'Dark Lyrics' section -- entirely unsourced fan commentary. If this is a notable characteristic of Rhodes' work, sources should be available.
At this juncture, I'm also inclined to remove most of the vocal range discussion (something I've raised repeatedly here), as it's self-evidently OR and no-one has come up with an argument to the contrary. The only source even discussing Rhodes' vocal range is an obscure review; seems to me quite a bit of trimming would be appropriate at this stage. Gusworld (talk) 08:37, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark lyrics section & vocal range 

message: Having raised this numerous times over the years (see above), I've removed the vocal range section. It is unquestionably original research, and thus not suitable for Wikipedia. Of the two actual references cited, one was a dead link and the other (a Billboard review) did not actually contain the statement attributed to it. I've preserved the citation here  as it could be used as a reference for the oft-made comparisons between Rhodes and Kate Bush, and the article on the whole lacks proper citations. Will try and work this in shortly. Gusworld (talk) 08:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocal range 

message: Hi, a list of acts which have opened for this artist is superfluous and I have removed it. Leaving it here for posterity, and for anyone who ever comes up with a reference to an article or interview that establishes how these acts that opened for her have had any obvious or important musical influence on her music.
* Musicians opening for Rhodes include Bon Lozaga, Caryn Lin, Joy Askew, Jen Hess, Ritual Motion, The Nudes, and Richard Johnson.
Denstat (talk) 04:40, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superfluous opening acts