Talk:Arms-length management organisation

message: The reasons given as to why a TMO and an ALMO are broadly the same consist of a list of reasons why they are different. There should be two separate headings or two separate pages instead of this assumption that they are "broadly the same". Fanx 21:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no assumption, it is a matter of fact that they are broadly the same.  There are minor, technical differences which have been pointed out in the article.  You seem to be implying that by stating "broadly the same" i mean "identical", which I do not. Tibi08 08:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Some people don't find black and white people similar, but at the end of the day they are broadly the same except skin colour.  I think you are a little bias and should step back from this one.  Sorry.  Tibi08 19:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ALMO vs. TMO

message: This article portrays ALMOs in an excessively positive light, hence the "POV" tag. As with any government policy there is a substantial body of criticism. The article needs a counterpoint. Fanx 21:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the purpose of the second paragraph under the 'Initiatives' section... Tibi08 08:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I note your comments, some of which are interesting, but overall I am happy with the current entry which doesn't wade into political debate.  Providing additional funding via ALMOs is a very different thing to 'withholding finance' from councils not adopting ALMOs.  Your stance is very bias, a whole lot more so than the current article. Tibi08 19:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: Wouldn't it be helpful for clarity to have a page which discusses ALMOs, TMOs, PFIs, retention and LSVTs as alternatives following stock option appraisals rather than a page headed ALMO which then rather confusingly starts talking about TMOs? Apepch7 23:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, PFI is a more general term than just for stock option appraisals.  Perhaps there should be a page on the decent homes standard which talks about these options, but given that this entry is entitled 'ALMO' it should be about ALMOs.  TMOs are fairly similar to ALMOs but I would understand if someone wanted to move it to it's own page. Tibi08 18:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stock transfer and management companies 

message: I wonder if the section in the main article which says that the effectiveness of ALMOs is unproven is now out of date. Most of the organisations rated 3* by the Audit Commission are ALMOs and so it would be fair to say that many are delivering real improvements for customers.  While pay scales are probably closer to LAs than RSLs is it true that this is causing rapid staff turnover?Apepch7 16:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and would also ask whether the staff turnover is relevant at all? I think there could be an argument that much of the criticism of ALMOS is driven by an understandable wish for local authority housing staff to preserve their working conditions rather than the actual service to tenants provided. Most of the Wiki articles that touch on UK social housing seem to have have a lot of un-referenced criticisms following the line of the pressure group Defend Council Housing. Andehandehandeh 17:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unproven success of ALMOs 

message: This article clearly has NPOV elements, particularly in the "Initiatives" section, where statements are made as fact without any references. The way to resolve this issue is to create a "Criticisms" heading and take the POV elements to there so that the main body can be NPOV. Fig (talk) 23:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV and the way forward

message: CLG refer to ALMOs without the apostrophe or hyphen. The National Federation of ALMOs uses both. Although I'm inclined to think that the NFA version is more grammatically accurate, I think it's probably sensible to use the CLG name as the main one and list the NFA version as an alternative. Jamse (talk) 09:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arm's-length management organisations (name punctuation) 

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message: The article does not address the stated reason for the introduction of Almos (the decent homes standard and the needs to achieve it by 2020) under the communities plan in 2003 (I have tried and so far failed to find full copy of the Plan online). Nor does it address the Gov decisions made after 2010 effectively depriving management by Almo of any funding advantages. Nor are the additional costs of Almos via duplication of services referred to. In how many cases did Almo lead to stock transfer? Overall at present, thsi has the housing managers' perspactive, and not even central govt perspective or the tenant anti-privisation critics. Partridgebirdie (talk) 08:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work needed on this article