Talk:Crawley

message: This article woefully disregards the complex history of the town as it now exists. It is written without regard to the fact that the New Town, like others in the UK, swallowed up pre-existing communities, some of which, like Ifield and Crawley have been around for centuries. The article here covers that history. The listing of all those neighbourhoods simply adds a large number of stubbed articles, again without reference to any previous history. I am not local to the area, simply one who has a little knowledge, so would be loath to do any rewriting - but someone ought! Peter Shearan 16:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now attempted to right the wrong! I am sure more could be added though to make the article less of a boring listing! We really must get rid of all those neighbourhoods posing as villages (see :Category: Villages in West Sussex and the comment on the talk page thereon Peter Shearan 17:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

text: "It is written without regard to the fact that the New Town, like others in the UK, swallowed up pre-existing communities, some of which, like Ifield and Crawley have been around for centuries." - Quite right, and I was wondering if a little something on the Worth controversy should be included. It would be hard to source. Makron1n 01:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: As of May 2006 elections, according to the Crawley Borough Council website council composition following results: * 16 Labour * 19 Conservative * 2 Liberal Democrat; thus conservatives have a majority of 51.4%
Accordingly, the council's executive is made up of 8 conservative councillors. Therefore, it is clear that the authority is conservative-controlled at present. 
Accordingly, edits which have changed status to NOC have been reverted twice. Please do not alter again without citation of any change. Tafkam 17:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies - my mistake; although the council website still shows Conservative control on its elections page, and its executive, the previous editor is correct, as Councillor Marcella Head joined the LibDem party in early December changing the balance. My apologies once again. Tafkam 18:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Executive Control 

message: There is much to be written about Crawley, especially (as noted above) regarding the planning and development of the New Town.  I have created a proposed structure at one of my user subpages here (ignore its misleading title!), based on the layout used on  Featured Article-status town/city articles such as Weymouth and Sheffield.  Feel free to add bits, or comments, ideas etc.  The idea will be, if I ever get to the stage where I have written as much as I can, to move it across here to replace the current text of the article.  Hassocks5489 13:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A much-needed boost - will try to offer some assistance where I can. Tafkam 13:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We (Hassocks5489 and Tafkam) have now completed the rewrite (well, as far as we can!), so I am moving the result across to this page now.  Note that although the full rewrite history will not be reflected in the Edit History here, it will be preserved on the user subpage I used for the rewrite (here).  Hassocks5489 19:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed rewrite 

message: Not directly related to this page - but why cant the neighbourhood articles use the neighbourhood image - at the moment they use one of the maps that show the uk - which just shows the neighbourhood is somewhere in south east england and not the relationships within Crawley. MilborneOne 12:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question!  I haven't got round to tidying up the individual neighbourhood articles yet, but I agree that the neighbourhood map (especially in its new form with the colour scheme) would be more useful.  I'll try to get a chance to do this today.  Hassocks5489 12:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neighbourhood Image

message: Hello. Just a note that I've given this (magnificant!) article a slight nip and tuck to bring it more closely inline with WP:UKCITIES and those UK geography articles that have FA (Dundee, Sheffield, Oldham, Chew Stoke, Blyth etc).
The next step is to take this to Peer review to get some manual and automatic feedback on the prose. I personally would like to see some of the material cropped to new History of Crawley and Geography of Crawley daughter articles (like say, Manchester and Sheffield - both major cities). Some of the sections are very, very lengthy, and possibly off putting for readers.
Other than that, once PR is actioned and followed up, take this to Featured Article Nomination and announce it at WP:UKGEO and WP:ENGLAND. Well done! -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll help anyway I can. Drop me a line if anything is needed. Rudget.talk 18:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nip and tuck 

message: Sorry not directly related to this article but to the Crawley neighbourhood articles. Each of the neighbourhoods has a map of the UK in their infobox which just indicated roughly in the UK where they are, would it not be better to show their relationship within Crawley using a version of the neighbourhood map on here. I suspect it is a project thing but I thought I would ask! MilborneOne (talk) 21:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neighbourhood maps

message: Does adding the population of SE England to the infobox really add anything of relevance to this article? It strikes me as rather misleading. Tafkam (talk) 17:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dont think it is misleading just not that important as far as Crawley is concerned. Not sure it has any value as the south east england is not really a metropolitan area like london or manchester. And most people, even from Crawley, would not have a concept of what south east england is. The link is red so we dont really know what is meant. MilborneOne (talk) 18:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: OK I was suggesting that even people from Crawley dont know what it means! MilborneOne (talk) 19:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metro area population 

message: According to Dove's Guide (regarded by ringers as the standard reference on church bells), John the Baptist has 8 19th century bells, no mention is made of the 1742 bells - it's possible that they are still there, but not hung for change ringing, but in any case, the current wording seems a little mis-leading, there are more than 2 bells in the tower.  David Underdown (talk) 10:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected with the help of this source and another which explains the situation with the 1742 bells (they were replaced in 1880 with the eight referred to here).  Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good stuff, I was slightly confused since the original source appeared to have a publication date of 1940, so would have post-dated the replacement of the bells.  David Underdown (talk) 13:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think the British History site was in error (surprisingly, as it's usually reliable).  The original writer in 1940 probably hadn't updated it to reflect the changes in 1880, I imagine.  Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  St John the Baptist bells 

message: *'Crawley now has 17 primary schools' senstence - does this sentence need the dashes? and should denominational be explained further? Are they all Christian schools or other religions too?
:Reworded, changed order and confirmed the nature of the four denominational schools.  Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've eliminated quite a few "now"s, where possible.  Hassocks5489 (talk) 21:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Done.  No ref found for Sharron Davies, so I've removed her.  Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

text: A search on IMDb turns up only very minor appearances in a couple of short documentaries which don't really have any notability.  Hassocks5489 (talk) 21:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Done.   Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks again for your help.  I will invite comments at WP:UKGEO, and then put up for WP:FA status.  Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Final peer review thoughts

message: Population ethnicity is “White”, “S.Asian”, and “Chinese”, but “Black British”.  Why not just “Black”?TheTruth-2009 (talk) 15:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I can remember these terms come from the Census information and they dont have "Black" as a selection criteria. MilborneOne (talk) 17:44, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your reply and especially for updating and improving the article.TheTruth-2009 (talk) 11:58, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity inconsistency 

message: Now that the new 14th neighbourhood has been officially named and work has started, I'll start an article in a sandbox in my user space... User:Hassocks5489/Forge Wood.  Additions, useful links, pointers to relevant documents etc. welcome!  Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: ... and just a note to remind myself that the Crawley Borough Council logo (a tree with a coloured leaf for each neighbourhood) has gained a 14th leaf, in a reddish-purple colour.  (See here; the leaf is between the orange and the blue ones on the right.)  Keep an eye out for sources talking about this!  Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 18:06, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crawley North East Sector (Forge Wood) 

message: I found this link: http://www.friendsathletics.com/roster/12/7/2912.phpTheTruth-2009 (talk) 16:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Only people with a Wikipedia article of their own are treated as notable. You will need to write that first.--Charles (talk) 17:15, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your explanation but no thanks to writing the Wikipedia article.  My curiosity was piqued.  A year ago I spotted a supposed notable person who didn’t actually exist, and I wanted to see if Ben Coleman was real.  By the way, if you look at various Wikipedia lists of notable people, you will find some who don’t have Wikipedia articles on them.TheTruth-2009 (talk) 04:52, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people - Ben Coleman 

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message: According to the Lithuanian Wikipedia (https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alytus#Miest%C5%B3_partneryst%C4%97), Crawley has been twinned with the town of Alytus since 2012. Are there any UK references for this? -- Picapica (talk) 03:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Picapica This link  suggests that it is unlikely.SovalValtos (talk) 08:53, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Also nothing mentioned on the Crawley Borough Council website, and I have not seen any mention elsewhere of additional twinning relationships since the relationship with Dorsten was established.  Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 09:12, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Twinning

message: *This would be useful to give an early 1990s perspective.  Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:07, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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replies: text: The replacement of the original signal box picture by this generic one looked like vandalism, so I reverted the edit that included this problematic image. Recent Runes (talk) 17:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree good edit. MilborneOne (talk) 17:28, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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message: Since no article exists at Borough of Crawley as the boundaries are long-standing (apart from a few small changes, see User:Crouch, Swale/District split) and similar an article should probably exist on the council per WP:UKDISTRICTS like Eastbourne Borough Council unless an article on the district is created. Crouch, Swale (talk)  20:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not an expert on the policy, but it looks to me like the clause "Single articles are generally created where the settlement/district matches most of the following criteria..." in WP:UKDISTRICTS would apply to Crawley. And the material that might be moved looks like only a small proportion of the existing page. Recent Runes (talk) 23:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

text: Not sure an extra article on the local government entity would add any value to the encyclopedia with the entry here for local government being all that is needed. MilborneOne (talk) 08:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Its normal to have either an article on the district or if the district is combined with a settlement (as this one is) to have an article on the district council. In some cases like Ashford, Kent/Borough of Ashford/Ashford Borough Council, in that case the council should probably be merged back into the district as its effectively largely a duplicate but its normal and appropriate to have an article on the council in the absence of a separate article on the district. Crouch, Swale (talk)  16:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

text: To apply the tests for having a separate district article (as opposed to district council) at WP:UKDISTRICTS (1) does contain a bit of rural land but not much (2) does not appear to contain other distinct settlements (3) ONS division is roughly the same (4) the boundaries are likely longstanding as there were only minor changes in 1974 (5) there are no parishes. Therefore it seems like the district council option is probably best. Crouch, Swale (talk)  17:57, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In the real world the bit governed by Crawley Borough Council is considered as being Crawley so I dont see the need for a duplicated article. MilborneOne (talk) 19:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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