Talk:Sapphire

message: There's been some work at the Caltech Geological and Planetary Sciences Division showing that the inclusions that appear to be rutile are actually nanopores - Thus the reason why they collapse during heating.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.8.239 (talk) 00:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Whiskers in sapphire may not be rutile

message: STOP removing my photo. What the f**k is wrong with you. This is MY OWN PHOTO, I TOOK IT MYSELF. The page NEEDS an example of a synthetic star sapphire. LEAVE IT BE --Ragemanchoo (talk) 06:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Synthetic star sapphire photo

message: It is strange that now or only few cellphones and smartphones use sapphire "glass" windows for there cameras. This is certainly an application that would benefit from scratch resistance!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.227.15.253 (talk) 10:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.157.146.237 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 8 September 2006
I agree with VSmith's revisions.  If you want an encyclopedia page on a comic character, then make one, don't muck up a FACTUAL article.  Under those circumstances, those who tidy these things up might just tolerate it.  No, it isn't the Britannica, but neither is it a place to type whatever you please with no regard to relevance.  Wikipedia's credibility suffers greatly from this sort of fault.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.196.248.69 (talk) 05:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Applications 

message: It somewhat bothers me that "the" picture for "Sapphire" contains five uncut stones - and none of them blue. Sapphires are most widely known as blue gemstones, so it seems like a cut blue gem makes the most sense for the first picture. I know Sapphires come in all sorts of colors, but it doesn't make sense for the first picture to be that one. The "Gemology" icon itself is a Star Sapphire - why not use that photo? --DragoonWraith 15:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed -- It'd be nice to see a faceted stone among those. Blue would make the most sense, at least for the first picture in the article, because most people associate the gem with the color blue. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 07:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And now the top photo is a really fake-looking round stone. I supposed it could just be really small, hence its sloppy cutting and lack of a native cut pavilion. --24.21.148.155 (talk) 05:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Took out the "mystical" in the title. There's nothing mystical about a stone representing a tribe, is like saying that a dove represents peace, and there's nothing mystical about it. We are just saying that the stone is a symbol of a tribe, not that the stone gives a tribe magic voodoo powers, so the word "mystical" is both unnecessary and misleading.
165.123.140.215 09:29, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... the word removed was mythical, not mystical. But, no big deal. Vsmith 11:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical references (NOT mystical)

message: Is there some reason that we can't have a more complete article here by including the info from the newly created Sapphires article?  I'm new at this so please help me understand what's been going on.
JByrd 03:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Include info from new article [[Sapphires]] 

message: Where does the name "Sapphire" actually come from? Anyone know? Personally I've got a secret hope that it links to "Sapphic".
XANTHIAS
Yeah, the similarity of sapphire and sappho is interesting... Mathwhiz90601 01:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sapphire from [[Sappho]]?

message: See Sapphire#Historical_and_cultural_references:
"Blue sapphires were first discovered in the Padar region of Kashmir in the 1880s, allegedly where a landslip had uncovered their occurrence."
This strikes me as just plain nonsense. Blue sapphires are older than that! Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 19:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree and removed it again - needs a source if it's re-inserted. The last part of that paragraph was simple pov stuff. Vsmith 03:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read that statement that sapphires were found in that region in the 1880's it makes more sense. Could be a good inclusion into a sources section. SauliH 15:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Can't believe this

message: Reasons for proposal to merge Padparadscha with this article: 
1) Information can easily be summarized in one paragraph and included into this article. Most information is redundant and article is not really written as encyclopedic entry (but more of an essay). 
2) Given the not enormous resources for all gemstone pages, it is better to reduce amount of pages and make high quality of the combinations (in other words, do we really have the resources to write a proper article on Padparadscha). Merging would improve the quality of the Sapphire article.  
3) Does Padparadscha warrant its own article ? How about so many other varieties, fancy named gemstones etc etc  Gem-fanat 17:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree There is not enought different infomation to warrant a completly sperate page.  I should also be noted the the term Padparsdscha is a modern marketing term and not a historical gem term as Ruby and Sapphire are.--Kevmin 23:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree to merge Padparadscha into part of Sapphire- The tag on the sapphire page indicates that its content would be moved to Padparsdscha, instead of the more appropriate other way around. I agree with a merge, but Sapphire should be the master page. Dachande 18:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Oops sorry about that. Yes that was the intention. Gem-fanat (talk) 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. This also means eliminating the padparadscha article, since it will be part of the sapphire article. Padparadscha is corundum. And its not red, so its sapphire. Also, we really need a photo on a padparadscha stone. Anybody? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 07:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Agree: Unfortunately the sapphire entry is very poor and needs a great deal of work particularly with reference to origins and quality parameters.  Padparadscha is a color of sapphire and no scientific method exist, or is likely ever to exist, that will separate padparadscha from any other variety.  There is some controversy in the trade and lab communities as to the precise definition.  I can certainly supply images of both heated and natural padparadscha sapphire.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gemwise (talk • contribs) 10:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We're still arguing about this? Padparadsha (and most people don't spell it with that "c") is SAPPHIRE. Make it part of the sapphire article. --98.232.182.66 (talk) 11:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Merger with Padparadscha

message: I've seen a lot of padparadshas, and this one (at least in its photo) is far too orange. Orange sapphire doesn't equal padparadsha, although a lot of less than reputable Ebay dealers in Thailand would like you to believe otherwise. Padparadshas are salmon colored. Pinkish-orange, orangy-pink, pink-orange. You get the idea. Its a great photo of a gorgeous stone though, but I think it'd be better in the Fancy Sapphire paragraph in the sapphire article. Its an orange sapphire. --67.189.16.236 (talk) 03:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Padparadsha example stone too orange

message: i was just wondering about the prices of these gems per carat in the US. dalegdelph197211@aol.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.76.243.228 (talk) 09:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gemstone prices tend to be nonlinear; that is, the price for ten one carat gems of equal quality will usually be less than one equal quality ten carat stone.
12.205.215.88 (talk) 19:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is always a bad idea to include prices for numerous reasons:  First, they change frequently, second; the market exists on several levels, which level:  Third, they change frequently; fourth the grading grids are incredibly complex and without the grids any attempt at providing a price structure is meaningless.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gemwise (talk • contribs) 11:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this, but equally it would be useful information for someone reading up on sapphire. Perhaps a good external link would be a good solution (assuming someone knows of one - I don't)ChrisHodgesUK (talk) 20:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be helpful to list auction prices of some sapphires, i.e. Christies and Sothebys. I'll keep my eyes out for some good ones. --24.21.148.155 (talk) 05:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Prices

message: :I do not believe it is correct that the ultimate derivation of the Hebrew word "sapir" (sapphire or lapis lazuli) is derived from the Sanskrit "Shani Priya" (beloved of Saturn). I believe it to be indigenous to ancient Hebrew. The word "sapir" is mentioned in the earliest books of the Bible (Exodus); it is not some late interpolation. The Sanskrit designation only dates to the days of Ashoka, 3rd centurty b.c.e., by which time the Hebrew Bible had long been canonized and the Greek Septuagint was translated by the 70 Jewish elders in Alexandria, using the Greek form "sappheiros". The term "sapir" is clearly a derivative of the Hebrew root S-P-R, which denotes "scratch, scrape, inscribe, number, tally", and is the basis for words like "sefer" (book), "sofer" (scribe), "mispar" (number). Note: One of the Hebrew words for diamond, and also thorn, "shamir" is so named because of its derivation from the Hebrew root Sh-m-r (one of whose meanings is to hedge about with thorns). Likewise, the construction "sapir" would mean "scratcher, inscriber" (a direct reference to the act of using a very hard stone to inscribe cuneiform-type markings on a stone tablet). It is written in the rabbinical midrash Shabbos that the 10 commandments were inscribed on sapphire tablets, a kind of reverse form of this meaning?
::It seems reasonable to me that the Greek term "sappheiros" was derived directly from the Hebrew "sapphire" or some Aramaic cognate word, and that this Greek term entered into India in the Greek kingdoms established by Alexander's army, e.g. Bactria. I believe that my theory is supported by bilingual Greek-Aramaic inscriptions left by Ashoka himself, such as this one in Kandahar in the 3rd century b.c.e
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AsokaKandahar.jpg
::On the other hand, I am unaware of Sanskrit inscriptions and Indian influence in the Levant in a Biblical or antiquity time-frame. 
::One should not be so quick to accept claims that the modern word "sapphire" should be based ultimately on Sanskrit, simply because Sanskrit happens to be Indo-European and Hebrew is not. To the ancient Greeks and Romans, both languages would have seemed equally foreign. If anything, Hebrew/Phoenician would have been more familiar. Isn't the Greek word "alphabet" derived from the Hebrew/Phoenican "Aleph-Beth"?
205.68.95.65 (talk) 18:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Chambers only goes back as far as the Greek (which everyone seems to agree on), my Collins dictionary agrees with the Sanskrit -> Hebrew -> Greek etymology, but with "perhaps" for both these steps.  ChrisHodgesUK (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology for "sapphire" more likely Hebrew (sappir) than Sanskrit (shani priya) 

message: Visitors to annual Jaipur Gem Exhibition (Aug-Sep) in Rajasthan, INDIA, can see and buy best quality Kashmir Blue Sapphires. These are transparent and very clear with very small inclusions. Darker the color more the price. A flawless gem will cost double of a gem with inclusions. For bigger size and weight in carats the price grows geometrically. Big collection size stones of one inch could cost half a million US dollars. Usual gems are ring sized from 2mm to 10mm. There are also non-transparent opaque blue sapphires from sri lanka available in Jaipur at bargain prices of US$ 2 a carat. These are available as 10mm durms, one inch pendants of various shapes or beads.  Most beads are heat treated and/or dyed. Astrologers prefer un-treated non dyed opaque or transparent pieces. The stones are cut and polished in small shed factories in Jaipur. You should bargain for lower price as quotes are usually high. Ask in 10 stalls before finalizing a deal. Ask for a cash discount while you count and pay.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.110.216.31 (talk) 01:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bargains

message: This edit a few days back, was removed , allegedly for not having citations to prove it. This does not need a citation, as it can be demonstrated with plenty of quality star sapphires, just by holding them to a light. "A star sapphire, if it is small enough, pure enough, and translucent enough, will transmit a pinkish-orange light, when used viewing the sun, or a point light source. It is likely that the light of the gleaming star of a star sapphire does indeed have fewer components from the transmitted pinkish-orange bands." If there is a name for this phenomenon, someone will know and brush up the article. If there is no name for it, don't tell the Sapphire society socialites, since I am the first to publish it, and call the phenomenon Daggitude, in honor of my discovery. 
Sincerely,
Bob Dagit  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob dagit (talk • contribs) 20:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Why my edit was removed

message: Whilst I certainly agree we need more citations and external links can be used better, there are tons of other pages I feel that discussion is more appropriate for. I checked the external links and they are in fact non-profit, no ads and have a large amount of additional information which is not represented in the Wikipedia article. All requirements for external links. 
The flagging says there are not enough/no citations given. That is incorrect, there are in fact 12., not sufficient perhaps but a whole lot more than many Wikipedia articles. 
Is there room for improvement ? Absolutely, especially after the merger with Padparadscha. But I think flagging it this way is a bit too much, especially in comparison what's the standard in Wikipedia right now. Gem-fanat (talk) 11:36, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe there is room for improvement. Someone told me that each paragraph should have at least two or three inline citations. Although external links are nice, inline citations make it look like you have specific information for a specific argument (see what I tagged at the Blue sapphire section), instead of generic citations. Inline citations are helpful because it provides better attribution than external links. However, that is simply what I heard from someone else. In order to get this up to GA or FA class, though, we will need a lot more citations, because much of the information appears (key word is appears) to be original research. For example, could you please find a website that says that green in sapphires is detrimental to its value? Cheers, – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 16:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough. Will help with improvement in the coming weeks/months. Gem-fanat (talk) 20:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations/External Links 

message: Is that a real gemology term? Sounds a bit odd to my layman ears. Yellow and green don't really strike me as "fancy" colours, especially if they're commonly found. I suggest changing it to "Colour varieties" or something similarly...less fancy. Unless, of course, this is proper. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:36, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's a standard term.PumpkinSky talk 00:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fancy color sapphire? 

message: Sapphire Glass will be used in iPhone 6? 129.180.147.130 (talk) 13:53, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sapphire Glass used in iPhone 6? 

message: i want to publish my collection star sapphire.it's over 2500.00 ct.it has two colours and two stars.presently it is the largest in the world.how to publish it's photo here ??.  Gemking333 (talk) 21:54, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  star sapphire giant 

message: The page Navaratna should be linked here. A belief about it's connection to the planet Saturn as Shanya is mentioned, and some etymology indicates that sapphire and Saturn were at once point interchange able terms Oligodynamism (talk) 11:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organize the symbolism 

message: Which trace elements make produce which colors of sapphires? 2603:6080:5A40:47:43B:5229:85DB:5967 (talk) 16:02, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing information 

message: Dopants section does not mention even a single dopant. Instead it discusses about manufacturing method.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire#Dopants
88.115.35.248 (talk) 02:29, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dopants section 

message: Can we add to this article that tiny sapphire balls were used as a substitute for steel needles to play 78-rpm gramophone records made by the Pathé company? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 23:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  To add to article