Talk:Mukhtar Mai

message: had changed the phrase "allegedly on the demands of a mob or, by some accounts, a council of a local clan" to "by a council of a local clan"
I know that it is widely reported that it was a council, but in the interest of accuracy, the characterization of the akath - a spontaneous group of people - as a "council" is probably misleading. 
Would you agree with this phrasing: "allegedly on the demands of tribesmen — or, by some accounts, on the orders of a tribal council  —  of a local clan".68.20.37.195 18:38, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Not a council but a gathering?

message: The rape is a matter of public record. I'm removing the word, "allegedly."--RattBoy 00:14, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Allegedly" raped? 

message: The following was inserted at the beginning on 5 November 2005 by anon 205.188.117.66. I'm reverting to the previous version. If the anon's points are valid, they might belong somewhere in the article—but certainly not at the beginning.
:Mukhtaran Bibi is one of many like her. This is a North Indian issue.
:Cste panchatas are an offshoot of the Hindu caste framework. There are many articles on this subject:See for startersSee:http://www.epw.org.in/showArticles.php?root=2004&leaf=11&filename=7913&filetype=html
:EPW Commentary November 20, 2004
:A Doll's House
:http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040118/asp/opinion/story_2798557.asp#Whose
:Price of Honour: Caste Panchayats as Instruments of Terror
:BRINDA KARAT
:[ WEDNESDAY, APRIL 14, 2004 12:00:00 AM ]
:Why is she lauded and her others ignored? This not a Muslim issue, it is not evena Hindu issue anymore as Hindu converts to other religions also apply thie heinous cruelty of the caste panchayats to impose their rules.
--RattBoy 22:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV inserted by Anon 

message: I think these should all be removed. It makes this article very hard to follow. This is an english wiki and this article is about the events of the rape. It's not a lesson on foreign language words. It doesn't matter if you say rape in english or another language - it is still rape.--DannyBoy7783 02:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  non english words 

message: When the news broke in July 2002, Muktaran was widely described as a "teenager" or "teenage girl" and her age was reported as 18 or younger. Her brother's age was reported as 11 or 12.
Although her exact age is still not public, it is now commonly reported that she was 30 to 33 at the time of the rape. Her brother Shakoor is reported to have married the following year and fathered a son, which would indicate that he was significantly older than 11 or 12. In the July 2002 Time photograph, he appears visibly taller than the three adult women next to him (Mukhtaran, his mother and Dr. Attiya Inayatullah). So the press probably misreported his age. Stanwatch 22:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ages of Mukhtaran and her brother Shakoor are often misreported 

message: I did a lot of clean up in the article and added a references section. sikander 02:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References section 

message: The whole story of Mukhtan Bib is false .It was not a gang rape.Is it plausibe that in the presence of hundered  people  some people committ  gang rape.In the society of Pakistan it is immpossible .Perhapes you know  that only on suspecion 'people kill the raper .One person is daily being killed in the name of honour .How is it possible .This is the game of western N.G.Os for disrupte the Pakistan and Muslims .Mukhtarn Bibi is a tool in their hands.I am also a human rights activist.I met the investigation officer .He didn't support the story
: It is indeed easier to ignore and refute the atrocities committed by man. If you have direct information about this topic, since you've met the investigation officer, please add to the article. Thanks
 sikander 19:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authenticity 

message: This article calls it a "gang rape", and implys more then one person was involved in the raping Mukhtan. However, in the section that discusses the rape, it only mentions Kaliq Abdul as the perpertrator. If the case was all ready settled, then it would appear he act independently, or was he assited? Does any one have more information regarding this? 69.250.142.218 (talk) 17:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Many Rapists? 

message: The story of this woman is a normal story for Pakistani lifestyle. In Pakistani and in most Islamic societies, the woman is considered merely as cattle and has less rights comparative the African slaves had in U.S. before the Civil War. If we can understand the primitive character of the Islamic society, we can understant the "normality" of the men's comportament in this case. This case is a tipical situation of the civilisation clash, between liberal and free-loving outer world and the ant-humanist, narrow-minded Islamic values of the Pakistani society. This case strikingly remembers the lonely and painfull fight for freedom of the anti-comunists and anti-nazists in the 20th century.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.196.150.157 (talk) 09:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah mate, thats why the most Islamic dude of the lot, the Mullah, is the one who encouraged and supported her plight to ge the offenders prosecuted. Typical ignorance of a society frought with the highest levels of rape in the world......  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dil tarasha (talk • contribs) 13:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Normal Pakistani life 

message: How comes there's nothing on criticism for her? God know's there's enough. Musharraf himself made reference to people like here (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2005/09/16/Pakistan_rape20060916.html). Then there are others both tribal leaders and those saying she bad-named pakistan. Lihaas (talk) 22:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Concerns about the so-called "image of Pakistan" have been mentioned in due proportion. This article is about Mukhtaran, not Pakistan. The Pakistan government's view may belong in Human rights in Pakistan, but not here.VR talk 16:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: I hereby solicit comment about renaming this article Mukhtar Mai. The Wikipedia jargon for renaming is "moving". It is no longer right to call her "Mukhtaran Bibi" because since she has come into international prominence the manner of addressing her has also changed. For example: 
*(1) Her memoir is published under the name, "Mukhtar Mai". 
*(2) The name of the girls' school named in her honor is "Mukhtar Mai School for Girls". 
*(3) Her blog at BBC Urdu Service also has that byline (she has a collaborator who translates her thoughts into Urdu, she herself speaks only Saraiki). 
It is clear we should stop calling her Mukhtaran Bibi. 
Bibi and mai are in fact forms of address for females, not personal names. (So in fact she, like many of her compatriots, has only one name.) As for what bibi means, one can gather from context in reading about assaults on women in Pakistan that it means approximately 'miss'; Mukhtar herself has been unmarried (albeit divorced) since before she was raped. As she mentions twice in her memoir, mai means literally 'respected older sister', but in her culture it probably has extended meanings. (It would be nice to have somebody explain the precise meaning of "bibi" and the meaning of the formula of adding -an to a woman's name when addressing her as "bibi".) 
Anybody who objects to renaming the article, please announce and explain these objections here. Hurmata (talk) 09:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: support' this is the way she is commonlu known as. the current name can be a redirect. Lihaas (talk) 01:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming this article 

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