Talk:Chicago Surrealist Group

message: Per the VfD discussion archived at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Chicago Surrealist Group, this article has been kept.  --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 02:00, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  VfD consensus 

message: I do agree with the Wikipedia consensus to restore this article. I need to ask the user:Daniel C.Boyer if Dan can be so kind enough to show us a website or any reference site that shows a picture of the Rosemonts with Breton or any scanned letters from the Rosemonts to Breton or Breton to the Rosemonts. I only ask this for the purposes of historic investigation which can HELP the many researchers and students who are studying surrealism. Note: that the Chicago Surrealist Group is a self-identified group of artists and poets who started their group in 1966 and remained active until 1978. From the research that I have been doing online, their appears to have been sporadic activity by this, "group" and their various friends from the 1980's to 2003, but the activity is very on and off, and I still cannot access any visual material on this group's pamphlets, group pictures, activities, etc, without having to make a purchase from their commercial website. Dan, can you please be so kind as to show us anything from any scans of past issues of Arsenal or show us any pictures of this group, please?Classicjupiter2 19:56, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you confining yourself to online research?  I don't need to do your research for you -- have you ever heard of something called a library?  Have you ever heard of something called interlibrary loan?  Again, why do you insist that all sources be online or digitized?  --Daniel C. Boyer 22:00, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Daniel, specifically, what surrealist publication or book, or any reference source can I obtain that will prove that the Rosemonts met Breton?Classicjupiter2 18:10, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry I don't understand why the lack of a photograph is the determining factor. I've known many people well for a long time, but often unless we were hanging around someone who likes to take lots of pictures, there may be no photos of us together. Perhaps I'm missing some point you're trying to make about pictures, here, could you please spell it out?  On the other point, you say "The Rosemonts claim to have personally met Breton", I wonder what the source is for that, did they write about it in print? You acknowledge that they make such a claim, and you seem to doubt it-- could you explain why? Are the Rosemonts notorious liars or something-- if so could you sight examples as why they should be considred sources whose claims should not be believed? I'll appreciate additional information, thanks. -- Infrogmation 03:22, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Agree to article restored

message: Again, I ask those editing/interested in this article to PLEASE PLEASE explain in a short precise manner, with source(s) please, on what they base their opinion about meeting or not meeting Breton? Thanks! -- Infrogmation 05:35, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If no sources or coherent explanations are given, what am I to assume is the motivation for these edits? -- Infrogmation 03:57, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Months long dispute 

message: Can Classicjupiter2 and his sockpuppets provide any cite for this novel POV besides themselves?  Can they cite any reason beyond presumption and the (presumed) lack of "visual photos" (sic) to make this claim?  --Daniel C. Boyer 14:27, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not having met Breton 

message: Who, if anyone, has said that the Rosemonts met Breton? Who, if anyone, says they didn't? If anyone knows anything about either of these questions, why have they refused to explain or add such information?  -- Infrogmation 04:20, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Infrogmation, I already told you in the past, that if you really want to get to the truth behind this matter than contact an expert on Surrealism, the noted historian Prof. Mary Ann Caws and ask her. Do you want her phone number again? Call her and ask her. In the meantime, please do not allow false information to taint this article. I would support your edit that they, "did or didn't meet Andre Breton" which you wrote in the past. You should be more reasonable, instead of jumping the gun. WHY is it so difficult to prove that the Rosemont's met Breton? Infrogmation, do you have proof to support your last edit? If so, show me.Classicjupiter2 16:33, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I'm aware, Classicjupiter2 and his sock puppets (and he doesn't dispute this) are the only ones suggesting the Rosemonts didn't meet Breton, while practically everything on them says they did.  If Classicjupiter2 is willing to revise the article to qualify any claim that the Rosemonts met Breton with "but one anonymous person disputes this on the sole basis that he claims a photograph of the meeting does not exist" I'll be more than happy to support it.  --Daniel C. Boyer 19:29, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Classic, you have been shown photos already - please stop this vandalism. Paki.tv 06:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Put up or knock it off

message: I am proposing that the very short (and rather pathetic) Surrealist Movement in the United States article be merged into this article.  I realize that this looks like merging something (at least theoretically) larger into something smaller, the fact is that the SMitUS was founded by members of the Surrealist Group of Chicago, and those individuals have been the driving force behind the movement.  I would argue that it is not too far off the mark to say that they are, in fact, two different ways of referring to the same thing: the 2 dozen or so artists, writers, and theorists in the US who are continuing the legacy of Breton and the Surrealists.
(Note: This proposed merger should in no way be construed as a suggestion that either the Chicago Surrealist Group or the Surrealist Movement in the United States lack notability of verifiability, as has been claimed, ad nauseum, in the past.)
---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 02:30, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merging seems like a good idea. For the moment, I accept that this group meets our notability guidelines, but I really think this article needs better sourcing. Something from an academic source would be helpful. (Didn't Franklin Rosemont write the surrealism entry for some encyclopedia?) --Akhilleus (talk) 04:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I have received no further comment on this matter.  I am tempted to interpret this as unspoken agreement with the proposed merger.  I will wait another week and then go ahead with the merger unless objections are raise. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 00:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

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