Talk:Cleveland Stadium

message: Hello,
Can anyone help me find a listing of concerts that were held at the Cleveland Stadium (World Series of Rock?) during the late 1970s and early 1980s?
I attended most in the late 70s and as far as I know there were not any in the early 80s. I have info on the concerts I had attended if you are interested. Also, please sign your posts MM DENE (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rock concerts held at the Stadium

message: I was surprised to learn from the Wikipedia article that the stadium was not built as a bid to attract the Olympics that eventually went to Los Angeles, as this particular factoid is, at the very least, and as the article notes, local lore.  I would like to see some citation for this.  To me, it doesn't seem realistic that the city of Cleveland would fund the expenditure of the largest ballpark in the country(?) (and the first stadium to be built with public money), and without having signed the Indians to play in it, for high school and college games(!) without some of the debate looking forward to the possibility of a Cleveland Olympics.  Hopefully someone will be able to clarify and provide some references. Robert K S 19:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not built to attract the Olympics?

message: Are you sure this page should be called Cleveland Stadium? I've lived in Cleveland my whole life, and I have never once heard or seen it called anything other than Cleveland Municipal Stadium or just Municipal Stadium.
Cleveland Rock 16:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was born in 1980 and never heard the "Municipal" modifier until I found sources dating back to before I was born.  I think by the 1980s the "Municipal" had become superfluous and had fallen out of favor when referring to the Stadium, which we just called "the Stadium" or "Cleveland Stadium". Robert K S 16:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen it both ways going clear back to when it was built, pretty much. Wahkeenah 16:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Clevelander born 1978 here, it was always Municipal Stadium or Cleveland Municipal Stadium, I don't recall it hearing it as "Cleveland Stadium" at all. Pimlottc (talk) 10:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The big scoreboard in center field used to say CLEVELAND STADIUM across the top. I don't know what the exterior sign might have said, or maybe it changed over time. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Spent my first 22 years as a native (beginning in 1972) and it was called both. Usually just 'The Stadium', or Cleveland Stadium, but it was also referred to by it's official name as well. Most often you'd here the 'Municipal' part mentioned in reference to the (old and massive) 'Muny Lot', which was just east of the Stadium and was where you'd tailgate before the game... and be stuck in ridiculous traffic afterward. The Fourth of July game in '84 comes to mind as far as traffic goes... Ryecatcher773 (talk) 16:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Did they write it as "the stadium" or "The Stadium"? That's significant, because there's a debate going on at Talk:Yankee Stadium as to whether "The Stadium" is a notable nickname for the new one. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 17:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think I ever saw it written as either "the stadium" or "The Stadium," I think it was much more spoken than anything by fans and media.  Any time you have "stadium" as part of a name, it's going to get called "the stadium" which is true of Cleveland Browns Stadium today.  As for the discussion over "Municipal" I heard it used frequently ("Cleveland Municipal Stadium" and "Municipal Stadium"), but also heard "Cleveland Stadium" just as frequently if not more so.  It was common enough that the "Major League" movies also use "Cleveland Stadium" in both movies on signs and in dialogue.  I would guess "Cleveland Municipal Stadium" was perhaps the "official" name, but I have no way to verify that.  The best place to find out would be any Browns or Indians media guides from that time. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a photo that shows the scoreboard with "Cleveland Stadium" displayed on it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 22:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Except that the big scoreboard within the stadium itself didn't have "municipal" in it. So did they just not feel like putting 3 words on the scoreboard instead of 2? Or did the name of the stadium actually change at some point? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 14:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Sporting News guides first mention it in 1939, as Municipal Stadium, and they are consistent with that from then on. However, the official major league guides published by A.S. Barnes in 1945 and 1946 say Cleveland Stadium. The 1956 Pocket Baseball Almanac says Cleveland Stadium. The Turkin and Thompson Encyclopedias of Baseball in the 1950s say Cleveland Stadium. In The Scrapbook History of Baseball, a clipping (newspaper not stated) reporting the July 31, 1932, Indians debut calls it the "New Muny Stadium" in the headline and "the Municipal Stadium" in the text. A lesser-known series of guides from the 30s and 40s, Who's Who in the Major Leagues, calls it Municipal Stadium. Lamont Buchanan in 1951's The World Series and Highlights of Baseball calls it Cleveland Stadium. Hope that helps. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Note the subtlety of the sources I cited: either Cleveland Stadium, or Municipal Stadium. None of them used all 3 words together. Possibly, again, due to space issues, or "wordiness". During the 50s and 60s, then, there were two different "Municipal Stadium" listings in the MLB guides: Cleveland and Kansas City. However, if you're physically in one of those cities, you wouldn't say all three words, since the city name would be understood. The Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome, which is its official name, is typically called the Metrodome, or just The Dome. There are plenty of other "Domes" around, but there's only one in Minneapolis, so the prefix is not needed. Kind of the same deal with Cleveland. It would be so much easier if they had actually posted a sign on the exterior, but apparently they didn't. In contrast, K.C.'s exterior had a sign that read "Municipal Stadium", so there was no doubt there. FYI, the mid-1970s book called The Ballparks, the first of its kind actually, calls it Cleveland Stadium. Lost Ballparks calls it Municipal Stadium. The first edition of TSN's Take Me Out to the Ballparks leads off its article by calling it CMS and then MS the rest of the way, while also reproducing a photo of the scoreboard with CS on it. If you're anywhere near Cleveland, it might be instructive to go to the library and see what the locals were calling it in 1931-32. That would be the trump card. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 05:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: From the Elkman generator: §hep  •  ¡Talk to me! 00:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: The article says "Another common misconception is that Cleveland Municipal Stadium was a Works Progress Administration project", which I've tagged as dubious.  The tag was removed, with a supporting reference that the WPA was created in 1935, well after the stadium was built.
Just to clarify: the date of the WPA's creation is not the dubious bit.  I don't think that date is controversial or any way in doubt.  What is dubious is the claim that it is a "common misconception" that the stadium was a WPA project.  I've reinserted the tag, directly after the "common misconception" statement.
The only thing I can find remotely supporting this is a passing mention in a book about baseball brawls.
This book doesn't claim that the stadium was built under the auspices of the WPA; it reads more like the author's impression of that era of building.  Even if it did, the book is about baseball brawls, it's not a reliable source on beliefs about the stadium's building process.
The passage sounds like something someone heard from their uncle or something, not something that can actually be verified by reliable published sources.  Is there anything to support the statement that this is a "common misconception"? TJRC (talk) 21:38, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Taking a closer look at User:Piriczki's edit, it's apparent that the source cited is about the Indians and their stadium, not just the WPA.  I've removed my tag.  Thanks, Piriczki. TJRC (talk) 21:50, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a gem from one of Cleveland sportswriter Terry Pluto's books: "The Stadium was a Works Progress Administration project designed to bring the 1932 Olympics to Cleveland." Piriczki (talk) 02:09, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, and good work documenting it in the article.  I'm surprised Pluto vectored that; I remember him as better than the typical Cleveland sportswriters (Heaton, whose first name escapes me, excepted), despite writing for, as I recall, the Akron Beacon-Journal. TJRC (talk) 21:31, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
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message: Should "Indians", referring to the Major League Baseball team, be changed to "Guardians"? If so, should it be changed everywhere, or only in selected places? The team name was Indians for the entire time it played at this stadium, and it's unclear to me what would be clear and correct.  --cratermoon (talk) 23:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: What Name to Use for the Baseball Team