Talk:Contract killing

message: "the acts of merely negotiating and paying for a contract killing (that is never actually carried out) are themselves punishable as attempted murder"
Attempted murder requires an attempt to be made, not just spoken about. Contracting a hit-man would, however, in and of itself satisfy all the requirements for "Conspiracy to commit murder".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.162.176.118 (talk) 03:53, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempted Murder?

message: "A hitman also carries a standard equipment. At first of all they have a expensive suit because they earn a lot of money. They also carry leather gloves and they have syrines. They usualy cary two types of syrines. Syrine sedative and syrine poisen. They also have a fibre wire (strangle wire)and a handgun or pistol with mostly a silencer and a common ammo like 45 ACP. Also some hitmans have a bald head, so that they wont leave hair on the crimescene just like their leather gloves for fingerprints. Proffesional hitman always carry this equipment because it's everything they need. They also carry a special suitcase, for their equipment or a sniper rifle like the W2000 sniper rifle. This will fit perfectly in the suitcase. And will only be used for the hits on long distant. The syrine sedative makes a grown up men unconsinous and the syrine poison usualy kills instantly. Proffesional Hitman have this equipment and they have a bankaccount under a false name for their earned money each hit. Or it is given cash."
This sounds like someone's being playing too many video games. I'm going to remove it.
JaMiE P 10:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, it is against the public policy of the U.S. government to sponsor assassinations, for the obvious reason that the government does not want to encourage responses in kind.  So your question would be moot in U.S. courts (since no court would enforce a contract against public policy and no government lawyer would be that dumb to file that case).  I don't know enough about foreign legal systems to say how other countries' judges would respond if they were presented with that question in the context of their own security services. --Coolcaesar 04:40, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That kind of action can never be enforced. Assasination by a state is never well received you know, states need to find some excuse to legitimize the use force (that means a concern for security) and assasination does not look like self defence :) States wouldn't be willing to admit to using dirtier means by taking the matter to court. So if the state wants someone killed but not by its forces, then  an "enemy of my enemy" type of organization (terrorist or not) is used, under great secrecy of course.. Actually, i think this subject is in a way beyond the borders of law. It's about the state doing something it's not supposed to, and doing it secretly.. Ozkaplan 08:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What is this crap?

message: Can it be called a "contract"?  It might be an agreement but an illegal contract is an oxymoron.  --Daniel C. Boyer 23:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not an oxymoron, it is a contract that can't be enforced. The contract is between two parties and it exists if the contract is possible. Illegality means that the state won't be defending the rights of these parties. Usually people making illegal contracts have other ways to enforce the contract. Ozkaplan 08:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Contract"? 

message: This page looks like just a big list of historical and fictional hitmen.  Shouldn't those names be moved to separate pages, List of hitmen and List of fictitious hitmen?  --zandperl 15:50, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists 

message: This thing reads like a 7th grade book report. I'm not an expert, so I can't fix it, but hopefully someone will. --Uncle Bungle 20:13, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup needed 

message: here is my article owen, i suggest you read it and place your comment.
:Thanks. I posted a reply on your talk page. Owen× ☎ 18:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Owen X, read this

message: A hit man (or hit man is someone who murders for money.
Someone who kills for the benefit of political or ideal reasons is called an assassin.
A hit man will thus not sacrifice his own life for beliefs and will try to get away with the murder and use the money received.
:It does get a little blurry. An assassin too might well only be in it for the money. If someone assassinates someone because they were paid to do so, they are both an assassin and a hit man.--RLent 22:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: hit man

message: "Contract killings make up a relatively similar percentage of all killings elsewhere. For example, they made up about 5% of all murders in Scotland from 1993 to 2002."
Is "relatively similar" a valid phrase? 81.178.57.22 16:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Statistics

message: I've added a source, giving details of an undercover police operation.  There are countless other examples, as it's something that happens all the time.  If anyone wants to use a different source (possibly an American one) feel free. One Night In Hackney 13:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sting operations

message: If someone is going to make a redirect from Hitman to Contract killing, they ought to mention and make due references to the word hitman. It does not appear once in the entire article. ~ Rollo44 23:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As there are several mentions of hit man on the page, I've added hitman as an alternative spelling. — AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 23:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Whoops, my apologies. I did a cursory Find search and didn't notice the various hit man 's throughout the article. ~ Rollo44 03:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Similarly, wetboy redirects here, but no mention or explanation of the word can be found in the article.90.190.225.121 (talk) 20:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitman, redirections 

message: Should this not be a section of the article, Assassination? ask123 (talk) 06:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, these are different concepts. Assassination is targeted killing of a public figure for a large motive which benefits from the death of said individual, such as political upheaval/crippling a government, inciting a panic, eliminating a dictator that isn't cooperating with your nation like all the other dictators, etc. Bob could decide to assassinate JFK and do it himself and it's an assassination and not a contract killing. Then maybe he hires his maid to kill his wife just cuz he doesn't like his wife any more, that's a contract killing but not an assassination because his wife isn't a figurehead and he doesn't accomplish broad change. It's a simplified example but hopefully straightforward enough. 69.105.172.180 (talk) 17:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since assassination always includes the killing of a public figure isn't, the statement that contract killing is a form of assassination just wrong? As far as I understand it's a totally different aspect. An assassination may or may not be a contract killing - a contract killing may or may not be an assassination - is this correct? If this is right, the beginning of the article is just wrong. I think it should say "contract killing is a form of murder" and not "assassination". --F4LL0UT (talk) 01:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

text:  From the lede of assassination: "Assassination is the murder of a prominent person, often a political leader or ruler, usually for political reasons or payment.Black's Law Dictionary "the act of deliberately killing someone especially a public figure, usually for hire or for political reasons" (Legal Research, Analysis and Writing by William H. Putman p. 215 and Assassination Policy Under International Law, Harvard International Review, May 6, 2006 by Kristen Eichensehr)."  How are we on most contract killings being for payment?  Has anyone an example of this sort of contract that didn't involve payment?  It doesn't seem wise to document all this if there isn't a form of pecuniary gain involved (obviously, at the very least maybe, not even then).  Incidentally using "Black's" as a reference would seem like it could be really chincy every version says something completely different, especially between written (academic database, pdf of photo of page, was it?) and online, although saying all assassinations are murder seems reasonable.  The point is, wouldnt an assassination for pay be a contract killing?  Even when its a government (not necessarily the same) employee on payroll that does it.  I thought the lede should say 'murder or assassination' but now Im not sure. Isnt the lede all wrong no one has to hire anybody there just has to be a contract? When they say 'hire,' theyre making it sound like workplace safety, pensions, health care and all this apply. 55378008a (talk) 09:13, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assassination 

message: Why are the links to news articles about drone strikes present on this page, both under "How Contract Killing Works" and under "News/Notes"?
I can understand why someone would disapprove of the use of drones to assassinate suspected terrorists, but this is really not the place for it. It's not related to the article, and is obviously not neutral. 
76.120.192.79 (talk) 05:38, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "How Contract Killing Works" 

message: # killer
# philosopher against the metaphysical personocracy (belief that one or more persons and personhood itself are the most fundamental components of everything, and the definers of omnicosmic purpose) (omnicosmic: in any possible world; physical, or hypothesized)
# political scientist against the political personocracy (why the system of anarchic microcommunities doesn't work especially in the modern world)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:840B:1000:F06C:9340:835E:3854 (talk) 18:37, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  personoclast: the one who deconstructs persons and/or the cosmic centrality of [[personhood]] 

message: This seems like something that should be discussed; an IP editor has repeatedly removed information about RentAHitman.com from the 'In popular culture' section despite being sourced, citing WP:PROMO. Pinging relevant parties: ,  Waxworker (talk) 07:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: * IP has removed it again. And I see a proposal to delete RentAHitman.com. Nick Levine (talk) 07:54, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinging Staberedu who is newly registered (presumably for the purpose of nominating the RenAHitman.com for deletion) and I guess may be the IP who removed the link.  I have opposed deletion as no valid policy reason has been given.  The user and/or IP seem to be under the mistaken impression that (in their words) the site provides "promotion of crime", "There's criminal and incentive about the site itself" and "Promotion of criminal services in a provocative manner".  This is not the case.  The site itself is clearly a jokey nature and the reliable sources in the article clearly state that this is the case and no criminal services are provided.  I think a link to it from here is reasonable as a significant example of the subject of this article (contract killing) in popular culture - Dumelow (talk) 08:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

text: *Not many arguments to listen to, so far. But I’m thinking Keep. Nick Levine (talk) 08:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Less than 24 hours later we are back at AfD with a renomination.  Let's see how that goes - Dumelow (talk) 07:18, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been closed as a speedy keep, so I have again reverted the removal from this page - Dumelow (talk) 07:56, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  RentAHitman.com 

message: I’m puzzled as to why Joe Valachi isn’t listed in that section.  By his own admission, and as described in The Valachi Papers, he carried out more than 30 successful hits as a soldier of the Genovese crime family.
:216.152.18.132 (talk) 07:53, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perpetrators section