Talk:StarCraft in esports

message: It's been over a YEAR since page updates. This tourney was won by an American. Big news. Please incoporate coverage!   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.78.137 (talk) 18:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

message: Hi. I would like to know if someone could put the pro's payroll in a matter that is better formatted? I have little time to really edit (little experience with Wikipedia or any sort of HTML) 
In my opinion, it's a necessary information to add as it shows the current state of the pro gaming era. 
I could try to give out source soon. 
Thanks
(p-s: sorry for adding the payroll again. I thought someone deleted it for no reason.)
SOURCE:
http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ISS&idx=11210 --
for all skT1 players
http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ISS&idx=11389 --
for all MBC players
BTW: Their payroll does not include other factors that brings them money, such as
advertising, money for tv appearances, pc bangs, tournament winnings etc..
I've moved the salary information here for now as although it's correct as far as I've seen, it's poorly formatted and unsourced. ShardPhoenix 15:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Payroll

message: A summary of the proleague would be pretty relevant wouldn't it? It's newer but they play a lot of games and get about the same amount coverage as the OSL and MSL. LxRogue 08:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shinhan Proleague and teams? 

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message: Seeing that the names of the players link to pages irrelevant from starcraft, (Like stork, it links to the actual bird) should we change the links? (Besides iloveoov and players with their own page.)
Failure.exe 02:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, eventually, these people should all have their own pages, and we can use proper linking for the common names ie sAviOrDebivort 04:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aliases

message: One could add something about shortcuts and abbreviations being used here. I had to think what "TvT" or similar (for example while "toss" suggest Protoss :P) means.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.87.13.70 (talk) 16:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomenclature

message: An anonymous editor is persistently deleting the sections for these players. I restored the sections, re-wrote them with citations and then they were deleted again. There is no reason they should be deleted now, as they are now in line with WP policies, such as WP:CITE and WP:NOTABILITY. I hope other editors of this article can weigh in on this issue. de Bivort 21:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: wow damn. Someone restore that stat. Where is the AfD page? 98.203.237.75 (talk) 04:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  deletions of Stork and FBH 

message: I think that there are way too many players listed in the notables section. There should be a pretty high threshold at which a player should be able to be placed on the list. --Must WIN (talk) 21:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - I usually like preserving random stuff on wiki, but this may be taking it a bit too far :) Tehniobium (talk) 01:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Top 20 most famous players of all time not good enough? 98.203.237.75 (talk) 04:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the players listed are definitely are not within the top 20. Elky and FBH are not notable enough in my opinion to warrant a spot on this list. Someone can make an individual article for many of the players on the list however. --Must WIN (talk) 01:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree about the lack of notability, he hasn't even won a starleague yet and even if he did, that's not enough, there are plenty of starleague winners who didn't make this list regardless. 213.250.11.252 (talk) 02:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many notable players? 

message: Can someone add something about this? It's a pretty big deal, as it's the first professional Starcraft tournament to be broadcast in English (by Nick "Tasteless" Plott). Here's some info:
Announcement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65543
English Site: http://gsi.gomtv.com/
Results: http://gsi.gomtv.com/match/ 
Response: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67407 
96.231.136.243 (talk) 06:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You guys realize this is a wiki right? You are free to add any of this yourself. It is appreciated to discuss things on the talk page first but asking people to add stuff you could just as easily add yourself is a bit annoying. LonelyMarble (talk) 07:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GOMTV Star Invitational 

message: This article is written in a very informal tone, using players' aliases rather than their actual names (an English-speaking internet phenomenon not seen in Korea or formal settings), using contractions, refering to specific abbreviations without first introducing them, etc.  Furthermore, the page assumes some knowledge of StarCraft, which while a reasonable assumption for most listeners to a commentary, is not reasonable for viewers of an encyclopedia entry.
This article needs far more explanation of the organization and history of the Star Leagues and ProLeague in Korea, the culture surrounding the game, leagues, and progamers, the average age of progamers, basic information on each race, and rules and regulations.  There is also no mention whatsoever of the existance of semipro leagues outside of Korea, which though not the focus of the article, nevertheless deserve recognition.  The article right now should be Start Class, as it's length is only a result of the numerous specific progamer sections, all of which can be considerably shortened, since links to main pages already exist.  Where main pages do not exist, a page should be created (even if it's just a stub with little more than copied text from this page), and the notability of said player should be reconsidered.
Perhaps even more importantly, there are no citations in this article for any of the specific players, whose sections comprise the majority of the article.
Finally, several sections of the article are outdated regarding important pieces of information, such as recent performance for several players (the performances listed as "recent" are not so for some), GomTV's new commentator Artosis, and the current standings in the OSL and MSL.  Eebster the Great (talk) 22:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formality, length, and citations 

message: I don't know a lot about StarCraft; I only played it for a brief time myself a while back.  However, is there any particular explanation for why South Korea has gotten so into it?  Many orders of magnitude above its popularity anywhere else?  Certainly, various activities and sports vary in popularity from country to country, and some (e.g. American football) are largely confined to a single country.  But this seems particularly odd, not just because it's a video game but because it's one that was (unlike, say, American football) released to potentially interested parties the world over...and yet South Korea picked up on it to a dramatically greater extent than anywhere else.  If someone has any theories about this (is it a fluke?  is there some social factor? etc.), it might be interesting to post links. --GenkiNeko (talk) 07:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's only one explanation... Lim Yo-Hwan, but seriously, starcraft is the #1 selling PC game in USA, and more copies were sold in korea than in usa.  I think koreans discovered the depth of the meta-game and how much complexity there is to it.  They were first, but they won't hold the SC title forever.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.41.151.165 (talk) 12:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Explanations 

message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLOu6k7A6rE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeeJaedong (talk • contribs) 11:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This video was 5 years after starcraft was released 

message: There should be a section explaining all the competitions that pros participate in, for example OSL, MSL, Proleague etc. For a casual observer like me, I have no clue what the differences are. May be it should cover stuff like ICCUP also. --Voidvector (talk) 15:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Competitions/Arenas 

message: The title of this has always bugged me. Is it possible to change it to something better(Professional Starcraft, Starcraft E-Sports)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killanator (talk • contribs) 04:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: The information in the KeSPA rating table is taken from a forum on TeamLiquid.  If there is a more formal source, it would probably be better and more complete.  For example, the rating for Yellow is not given nor is there any explanation about the "change" entry (since last month?). User:motmahp 19 July 2009  —Preceding undated comment added 20:39, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: KeSPA Table

message: Hey - took a crack at simplifying and standardizing the Notable players sections. All the players with blurbs but no articles of their own, now have articles of their own, as well as links from the Notable players section of this article. Each section had 3 players that already had their own articles. So I left the blurbs for each of them hear, and added standard main article links to their personal pages. Also standardized much of the formatting. 
The new articles for each of the players are quite raw and could do with proper Hangul names, and wikifying - please chip in on that!
Cheers.  de Bivort 03:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  notable players section 

message: Why there are no WCG awards there? I thought it is one of most important competition in not only starcraft scenes...
I think it would be nice to add it, since it is already wrote about WCG in article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.55.241.147 (talk) 01:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: * It should certainly be added. You are welcome to add it if you have the data.  de Bivort 02:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top players ranked by major tournament wins table 

message: Who the hell came up with that word? I have never seen it used by anyone in the starcraft community. I suggest removing the term.
Exeprime (talk) 14:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Valiath" 

message: you seem to think that she is the only female pro, but you are mistaken. there are many others such as: Berry, JongMi, Navy, January, tulip, sunhee, carot, 13etty, anna, d0d0, fish, kanghuny, precious, puzzle, vitamin, y"-"o, arima, gano and others. also, if she is the only pro, why do u think they still occasionaly hold all female SC events in korea? so yes, i will change it back
: As I understand it, she is the only one with a pro license and the only female to compete in the proleague. Please provide a citation to show that these other players have a license and compete on teams, and are not just very good amateurs. Also, while constructive discussion and work is welcome at wikipedia, personal attacks such as the one you left at my talk page are not welcome.  de Bivort 04:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tossgirl as best or only? 

message: I added references for most of the commentators - interviews by independent sites. This is needed to justify their inclusion. Couldn't find one for Ranshin or Nukethestars, but if they are independent articles about their commentaries, we should add them back.  de Bivort 21:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  foreign commentators 

message: Although I understand the pro starcraft scene, it's too specialized. I'm tempted to remove the huge list of information. <I>NativeForeigner</I> Talk/Contribs 00:33, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone

message: Getting warnings from my browser (FF 3.6) upon trying to open references 5, 6. Anyone else seeing that?76.124.187.93 (talk) 16:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: yes.  However, the sites are legitimate. <I>NativeForeigner</I> Talk/Contribs/Vote! 17:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Attack Sites? 

message: Anyone with thoughts on that?  de Bivort 04:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm for it, and it appears you are. Nobody else really frequents this article, and Brood War is accurate, I"m for it. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 05:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

text: What is the real mention of a small expansion going to do?  I've got feelings both ways. Buggie111 (talk) 12:53, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Two years later, IMO, the current title is def. irrelevant. Any thoughts on Ernzoa's proposal? 109.20.168.3 (talk) 04:19, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Topics don't stop being notable when they stop happening (c.f. history). If there are reliable sources for SC2 competition (I'm sure there are), then that topic merits its own article.  de Bivort 14:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  article name change 

message: There is a some information about professional Starcraft II competition in a section in the main Starcraft II article; however, it is not mentioned in the main article here. 
Should we make a new section on Starcraft II now, or wait until more concrete news appears? 
Also, if we add this section would it belong at the bottom or the top of the article?
Old guy 476 (talk) 19:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should move this article, per immediately above. And start a StarCraft II professional competition article provided it has the notability / citations.  de Bivort 04:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starcraft II? 

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