Talk:Martina Navratilova

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replies: text: After the semi-finals of the US Open, Navratilova decided to stay in the USA and not return to Czechoslovakia, motivating her decision with the desire to be a free person, which was impossible in the socialist Czechoslovakia. A month later, at the Immigration and Naturalization Service, Navratilova received a special card for the possibility of living in the United States and possessed the citizenship of Czechoslovakia. She received US citizenship in 1981. On January 9, 2008, Navratilova was returned citizenship of the Czech Republic. She herself left, that is, she lost her citizenship of her own free will Цйфыву (talk) 16:34, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
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message: The table has two flags Czechoslovakia and USA - quite appropriate - but only one set of dates being from her birth to 1975.  Nothing for the the USA flag so seems likely you are expected to assume she represented the USA from 1975 or 1976.  Reading the text however tells a different story and perhaps more tellingly from Navratilova's own words: (effect #13) "I applied for US citizenship and received it on July 20, 1981. Since then I have proudly represented the US in numerous competitions". Ok so she was a citizen of Czechoslovakia to 19 July 1981 and a USA citizen from the day after. Antipodenz (talk) 08:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Country representation has nothing to do with citizenship. She needed a national governing body to represent her to even play in international events, and the United States stepped forward. All the tournaments listed her as representing the US since she defected. But she did not play Fed Cup for the US until 1982. The performance timeline shows the timespan of the USA. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:40, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
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message: why are we referencing the New York Post in this article ? As I recently pointed out , Wikipedia consensus is that the NYPOST is  a reliable source.  — Freoh 14:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New York Post 

message: Should it read transgender beliefs or something similar instead? She speaks regularly of transgenders besides sports. Volleyingvirgo (talk) 14:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: But it seems like 99% is about transgenders participating against women in sports. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe 99%-100% in the news but look at her Twitter feed, her views go far beyond trans sports participation regularly. She's tweeted about funding anti-trans group like Maya Forstater's group; she's funding a Lesbian group by Julie Bindle, they say it's not just anti trans but take a look, etc.  I guess not really postable to Wikipedia unless it makes the news to cite, but Wikipedia should give an accurate pic which this fails to do IMO. Volleyingvirgo (talk) 15:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, she's doing everything in her power to stop trans from competing against women in sports. Those groups will help I'd think. She is of the opinion that if it hurts lesbians and women in the field of sports, something she's spent most of her trying to help, it can't be good. This is pretty much a sports issue for her. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:41, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transgender athletes  

message: you suggested we should not use the term LGB because you felt it was "not neutral", and favoured "gay and lesbian" instead. I think I disagree. Perhaps you think this because many TERF's and GC's use the term to describe themselves, but that doesn't mean the term is not neutral. For example, much of the scientific literature refers to sexual minorities as "LGB" people, e.g. from a quick google scholar search: here, here, here, here and here. You can find countless more and this dates back to the 90s, long before the whole 'LGB without the T'. Perhaps I am mistaken on what you meant by 'not neutral'. However, I think we should follow what the sources say, so if she has supported lesbian, gay and bisexual rights then LGB activist is fine, if it's just gay and lesbian activism, that is better. Still I wanted to join this out for future edits. It's better to not let the GCs have ownership of the acronym 'LGB'. Zenomonoz (talk) 10:27, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure the cat can go back in the bag on this one. "Sexual orientation" would be fine with me, as would merging the subsection with the one on trans athletes. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Martina makes the news so much about making comments regarding trans people I think someone should enter a section called Transgender Beliefs or similar and merge Transgender Athletes into that m. I talked to Fyunck who is adamant she is only against trans sports participation which Martina has even stated but there are many reliable, well-documented sources to the contrary. Volleyingvirgo (talk) 16:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Also some of the examples given under the 'transgender athletes' section include a cisgender male drag queen and a cisgender man who crossdressed as a hobby. It seems evident to me at this point it isn't about 'integrity in women's sports' but disdain for anyone who doesn't conform to gender norms, cis or trans. I'm sure at first this was about 'integrity' but like many transphobic people (which she is) the initial 'I'm just concerned and asking questions' quickly developed into full blown hatred in a matter of a few years. BreakfastSonata (talk) 01:30, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, I think the ship has already sailed on "LGB". Whatever it was in the past, they own it now, at least for the time being. If sources support it, it would be better to add "and bisexual" than to say "LGB". Alternatively, I'd be happy with "Sexual orientation" as suggested above. DanielRigal (talk) 18:51, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGB vs 'gay and lesbian' 

message: I added "after being outed" after died since it seems very relevant and tried to provide a hyperlink to the Wikipedia hyperlink to "outed" but failed. Can someone correct that for me? I don't want to make it worse. Seems I need to practice more before I publish again. Thank you! Editorcgvv (talk) 15:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . I've fixed that link to make it an internal link. DanielRigal (talk) 18:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Two questions: 1) Why is this in the Transgender Athletes section since the person was a cross dressing Republican politician, and 2) where does it say in the reference that she was 'happy,' as it does twice in the entry? 2600:1017:B014:60F9:7D9E:8231:C08F:4988 (talk) 07:21, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, too biased here. She even tweeted later she wasn't happy about the death, just happy they couldn't hurt any more women, alluding to the 1819 site's as far as I know unsubstantiated belief that he (he used he/him) was hurting women.  It should just read what she tweeted, the world is better off or whatever. It made the news and definitely was an unpleasant thing to say, and of course Martina follows the Right's transgender news closely. Somebody should link the 1819 and Bob Copeland pages too. Editorcgvv (talk) 13:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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