Talk:Death erection

message: The link to dillinger should probably be taken out. The only possible relevance this could have to him is the widespread myth that he did have a death erection. He didn't have a large penis and he didn't have a death erection. If you had seen the picture you would know that since the picture is of him laying on his back the blood could not have pooled and he couldn't have had one. The large bulge was just somebodies arm under the sheet.Firebomb Fritz 17:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dillinger

message: I read the request on the " Talk:Death erection" page for more images of " Death Erections ". As requested, I have added 2 more photos depicting this phenomenon.
:Do you have versions of these images without text on them - text may be included on the image description page. Also, do you have a source for these images to add to the image description page. --Oldak Quill 15:23, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested " Death Erection" photos 

message: Do we really need three images to illustrate this article? I suggest selecting and using the least sensationalist image from these three. Also, are these images GFDL-compatible? -- The Anome 15:40, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
:Firstly, they are public domain, so are compatable with GFDL. Secondly, I do not believe three is too many, they together demonstrate the concept - otherwise, a fuller gallery could be held at Commons. I do not believe or think any are sensational, and if they were - this would not be the criterion for inclusion in the article. What is important is which is the most descriptive of the idea, of the concept (I would suggest the man hanging). --Oldak Quill 16:34, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, also, versions without text would be nice. As well as a move to commons. –Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 19:08, 2005 Feb 7 (UTC)
In my opinion, all three "death erection " photos should stay. Here is my reasoning in this matter. The article describes 2 circumstances in which " death erections " occur - Death of a male in the verticle position as in hanging, and death of a male " face down ". The " Nicaragua Hanging Victim " photo demonstrates the fullest extent of the " death erection " after the body has been taken down from a verticle position and laid horizontally. The " Naked Male Hostage " photo demonstrates the " death erection " as it is occuring in the verticle position. The " Naked Male Drowning Victim " photo demonstrates the " death erection " as the result of the drowning victim floating " face down " in the water. However, in my research of the " death erection " topic, the "Nicaragua Hanging Victim " photo and the text below it is the most accurate depiction. The " death erection " article is only partially correct. The erection of the penis and occasional ejaculation in male hanging victims actually occurs AS THE MALE VICTIM IS DYING due to trauma, spinal cord injury, and the physiological effects of asphyxiation on the male body. Strangling, choking, and the struggling for breath can provoke penile erections in males (Ref: " Autoerotic Asphyxiation "). If you have any question, just post them here. infofreak
Hey guys. The pictures look a bit extreme. Somebody's going to stumble across this article and either vomit or have a heart attack. Everyking 05:15, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Quite. This makes Mr. Goatse's portrait look like kittens frolicing in a field. -- Cyrius|✎ 05:42, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: While my year-long stint at Totse made me immune to almost everything, I greatly question the need for a picture of this. Most people will be able to figure out what it would look like without the aid of a picture of a dead man. --YixilTesiphon 05:46, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: That's a rather hot topic. See the mess at autofellatio and talk. Since the reason for including a link yet not deleting the pic entirely would be its offensiveness, it's quite POV and will most likely encounter a lot of resistance on principle. Not that I love dead, erect penises. Cheers, TIMBO (T A L K) 07:11, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: There is no reason why we should allow our culutral POV to affect inclusion. There is no reason why an individual can read, but not see, an image - there is no gore. Simply a cadaver with an erection. --Oldak Quill 15:58, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I agree 100%. TIMBO (T A L K) 22:40, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Except for the whole "getting Wikipedia blocked at the firewall" bit when some kid loads it up on the school's comptuers. -- Cyrius|✎ 00:02, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well there's certainly plenty of material on Wikipedia that might make a school block us. I guess it depends on the specific software involved, but I wouldn't be surprised if penis and vulva, clitoris, etc. got Wikipedia blocked. Or even more likely, Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse, which contains some pretty graphic pictures. These have all been challenged, with the outcome being to keep the images. It's up to the school whether or not to block us; I don't think we should take that into consideration when making content decisions, though. TIMBO (T A L K) 01:53, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it be possible to have a censored photo of a "death erection" and then link it to an uncensored photo along with a warning? If GFDL is an issue I have an extensive personal collection of post mortem photos that I have personally taken; many with "death errections". I would be happy to upload a photo or two and put them in public domain.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.241.204 (talk) 01:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 2

message: The article has essentially unreferenced claims that the cause of a postmortem priapism to be blood flowing down under the influence of gravity, but every medical reference I've found indicates it is caused by the spinal cord losing control of the penile engorgement (it seems that the penis is normally prevented or suppressed from erecting, like a closed floodgate). Unless there are sources for the blood/gravity theory, we should remove it. --Dhartung | Talk 08:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause 

message: Currently the reference given do not support the articles content. 
The  first states it is unverified, 
the second and 
third discuss priapism and do not reference death.  
The fourth http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/nov2001/1006195080.Me.r.html is a blog entry.  This article is subject to deletion at  Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2007_January_26#Death_erection Attempts to find a valid reference were not successful. I found this reference that  that provides valid speculation that it could not occur.    Jeepday 14:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: *Er, every message from a person on a website is not a "blog"...the madsci.org one appears to be a moderated mailing list (contributors vetted by site admins as being knowlegeable in their fields), and the message in question is attributed to a person speaking what seems near his area of expertise. That gives is See "Non-scholarly sources" in WP:RS. And to quote the neck-trauma article: "Priapism and loss of the bulbocavernous reflex may occur" is listed under "Signs of spinal cord or brachial plexus injury" (which seems pretty likely to happen during death by hanging). DMacks 19:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Couple of webpages, not sure if any one in particular would suffice as RS, but weight of several describing meaning/usage lends support to that expression is used:
*http://www.totse.com/en/ego/literary_genius/aclamt.html
*http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Angel+Lust
*http://www.messybeast.com/dragonqueen/medical-acronyms.htm
DMacks 23:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Angel lust" 

message: Why is this article limited to human death erections when the most famous one, probably even in cyberspace, is the Siberian mammoth death erection?   It's also documented and referencable.  KP Botany 01:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have the references, there's nothing stopping you from adding them. Not everyone has heard of everything, you know. --Dhartung | Talk 22:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, thank God.  One of the major Siberian Mammoth hunters is often quoted on creationist pages somehow tying this mammoth in the mudslide with an erection to proof that evolution does not exist--it is, in my opinion, one of the sillier claims to proof of God that has come out of creationism, but incredibly amusing, all things considered.  I have the original documents, although not handy, but could probably find enough on the Internet.  KP Botany 02:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Siberian Mammoth Erection? Epthorn (talk) 13:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Wait, what? 76.79.237.162 (talk) 06:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why only humans? 

message: I removed it. The death does not involve neck injury, so doesn't agree with refs for cause of death erection. And according to Toilet-related injury (we have such a page?!) the guy dies while masturbating, so the erection is implied as a left-over from that. DMacks 17:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Clerks'' example 

message: I was attempting to undo the vandalism edits, ,I did not mean to keep putting them back in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ryuko2001 (talk • contribs) 04:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry, was attempting to undo bad edits 

message: SALAM1428 02:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The given English translation seems correct ("penis"=="penis" makes sense, "cælum"=="sky" and "erectus est"=="is erect" are correct from my limitted knowledge of Latin) and in keeping with the related commentary in the cited scholarly work. I'd be interested in seeing a scholarly citation for an alternative literal translation of that Latin phrase. DMacks 03:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Whether the anecdote is true or not, it is irrefutable that Gibbon passed it on in one of the most important works of Western literature. --Dhartung | Talk 03:44, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Gibbon quote is not true 

message: This page is pathetic.  What kind of pigs believe this is discussion useful.  Let me put it in terms I think every contributor to this page will understand: 
"You're all a bunch of faggots."
:Ironically, an extensive discussion among many contributors resulted in a clear decision that the page was encyclopediac and worthy of inclusion. Admitedly, the discussion did not touch on the contributors' sexual orientation. DMacks 03:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This Page is a Disgrace

message: It is not any of the ones that have been posted or linked to this article before. It is very good quality B&W. Should I e-mail it to someone so they can submit it or what ??? Would you even want a photo of a death erection for this article ??? 68.211.51.49 05:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a picture, why not submit it yourself? Create a Wikipedia login for yourself, then use have a look at WP:UPIMAGE to learn how to upload your image (after verifying that it's not a copyright violation to do so, obviously). DMacks 05:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, I created a username and after searching through my collection of forensic photos, I finally found it. I had forgotten that it was a 3 photo series, so I uploaded all 3 photos. I don't know if they could be used on this article without debate, but it does disprove the theory about blood pooling in the lower extremities causing the engorgement of the penis that increases as time passes. This is a brief account as I recollect it : This man was executed early in the morning. His penis became fully erect about 45 seconds after suspension. He ejaculated a large amount of semen while struggling against the rope as he was dying (not after). His body was left on display as a "war trophy" all day. The last photo was taken late that afternoon when they came to cut him down, and the erection had subsided. Here are the photos
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I've never submitted anything before. If they can't be used, I understand, but since it was recommended for me to submit them, I did. Thanks OneTimeWiki 23:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have a photo of a death erection from hanging 

message: I have to say, this is a really wierd article (especially the above section). Interesting, but wierd.
Shawn Crapo (talk) 04:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ????

message: I think this article could use a photo of a death erection.This is just what I think so some people may say it does not need a photo but I think this article could use just 1.
Duckjoe97 (talk) 20:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need Photo? 

message: The audio narration of this article uses the word "cerebrum" instead of "cerebellum", which is a completely different thing... perhaps somebody should rerecord it, or perhaps it should be removed. Rom maniac (talk) 02:43, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio narration 

message: Why if there are no Links.64.92.53.159 (talk) 19:40, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links? 

message: Why is Livor mortis in the see also? 64.92.53.159 (talk) 19:40, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Livor Mortis 

message: I will be working on a new spoken version of this article, as the current spoken article is over a decade old, and has several errors in it. I expect that it will take me a few hours to create a satisfactory recording. Smoltran (talk) 16:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  New recording