Talk:Wayne Pygram

message: Fact is it very much likely that the incorrect spelling of (with the "y") Pigram came from his days acting on Farscape which is what everyone has based the spelling on however local sources (the place where he lived and still does) uses his correctly spelt surname (Pigram) , , , , , . Bidgee (talk) 03:29, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: On Farscape he was credited as Pygram and his imdb page also uses Pygram.  He was also credited on Lost as Pygram.  Google hits give 28,000 Pygram vs 1,400 Pigram.  This seems strong evidence that he name really is Pygram.  If his name was actually Pigram, I can't believe that he would star in 4 seasons of Farscape and never mention to the producers that they were spelling his name wrong in the opening sequence.  The primary reliable sources (imdb.com, multiple TV credits) all agree that his name is Pygram - I don't feel that the pages you list are sufficient to refute this.  It does not look like he has his own website (http://www.waynepygram.com is not his and http://www.waynepigram.com gives a 404), which would have leant a lot of weight to the correct spelling - however, there is a site for his band - http://www.signalroom.com/ - on the bio section this again lists his name as Pygram 87.115.94.216 (talk) 16:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

text: OK - I think I have got strong evidence for Pygram from his autograph.  It is quite clear in the below images that he himself spells his name with a "Y" and not an "I" (he signs as "W Pyg-."): http://tradercracks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Wayne-Pygram-as-Isaac.jpg (Lost) http://www.thecollectorzone.com/images/products/1162_l.jpg (Farscape) http://im4.ebidst.com/upload_big/7/7/5/1266672567-23688-0.jpg (Farscape all actors).  I have updated the article to use Pygram in the body but don't know how to rename the page.  I'd be grateful is someone could do this 87.115.94.216 (talk) 17:03, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

text: In addition, a site claiming to be his official site used "Y" - it was http://www.waynepygram.com until mid-2007 when it went down (has since come back up but as a completely unrelated site).  An archived copy can be seen here http://web.archive.org/web/20051103222040/www.waynepygram.com/index2.html 87.115.94.216 (talk) 18:37, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pigram vs Pygram 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Oppose Reliable sources are stated within the article, hardly small site as ABC is a large public TV broadcaster, Charles Sturt University is one of the major uni's in NSW and Australia and the Wagga Wagga City Council is a local government organisation, the 87. IP's sources are questionable and not very reliable. Google results isn't the best way to gauge on reliable sources.  124.184.225.134 (talk) 06:54, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But there are also articles on ABC that use the spelling Pygram . The BBC is a large public TV broadcaster also, and they use Pygram.  I'm wondering how you explain his autographs  and the photos of him doing promotional work?  We can at least agree that he is credited in Farscape as Pygram, but are you saying that this is a typo or is your argument that Pygram is his stage name? 80.229.123.31 (talk) 07:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Comment Is there a policy on whether actors/musicians should be listed under their "real" name or their stage name?  Looking at some well known example, i.e. Winona Ryder, John Wayne, Marilyn Manson, Natalie Portman, etc, it looks like the page is listed under the stage name, they have an intro in the format "<Real name> (better known by stage name <stage name>)" and then the rest of the article refers to them by their stage name.  Maybe the logic for this is that they are in wikipedia because of their notability as an actor/musician and they act/sing under this name?  The best match I can find at the moment is the section about common names in the article title policy document.  I can also see the "Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens" section of the Naming conventions (people) guideline, which starts "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title, even if it is not their "real" name".  It would be good for the article if we could include a link to a reliable source that confirms he uses a stage name 91.125.77.26 (talk) 22:14, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the issue here is that there are two common names, one that he uses on-screen and one that he uses for everything else. I don't think either can be given more weight. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I hear what you are saying and agree that many actors/musicians have an on-screen name that is different from the name they use in their everyday life, but I feel that in the end we will have give more weight to one or the other as an article can only have one title. 91.125.77.26 (talk) 02:41, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fortunately the redirect that is already in place means that the article can be found using either name, and that will not change after a move, if any, so I don't really see what a move will achieve. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it the move would make this page consistent with other Wikipedia articles on actors who use stage names.  From the pages I have looked at (mentioned above), the current naming convention seems to favour the stage name over the "real-life" name, since that is the name that most people know them as.  Deciding on the title of a page (i.e. moving the page) is a way to agree on a single name with which to refer to the subject of the article.  If we agree that the page should be titled "Pigram", then references in the body to this actor would use Pigram (as is the case with the current article).  However, if consensus is to use "Pygram" as the common name, then the body would refer to Pygram also (as was the case until last month). To give you my perspective on this, like most other viewers, I know this actor as "Wayne Pygram" and it seems odd to me that the name which he is commonly know as around the world is not the one used in this article. If his "real-world" name is Pigram, it should of cource be included in the article, but other pages seem to indicate the normal way to deal with this would be to name the page "Wayne Pygram" and then have the opening sentance read "Wayne Pigram, better known by his stage name Wayne Pygram, is an Australian actor...etc"  91.125.77.26 (talk) 03:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I've got to disagree with AussieLegend when he/she says that there are two common names. Pygram is by far the most common usage, and is always used for what he is notable as - an actor. As 91... points out most actors use alternate names but we use the name by which they are known. Quantpole (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
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