Talk:PopoZão

message: Is the cited lyric "Toy all your thang on me" perhaps actually "Toil your thang on me"? --Takeel 17:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: according to James Lipton's spoken-word version (from the Conan O'Brien show a few days back), it is actually "toy" (go figure) -- getcrunkjuicecontribs 01:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the nature of this song, I suppose that I should have known better. --Takeel 02:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Toy all your thang on me?" 

message: Someone removed my literally meaning thing---"Popo" means "ass" is a cognate with the English word "pooper", while "zão" is an example of an Augmentative suffix.
I am not fluent in Portugese, but this is what my roommate has explained to me, so I feel fairly confident in it, though not 100%.  One really would translate it as "big ass", just like the German word "handschuhe" literally means gloves, but, parsed out, would mean "shoes of the hand".  Its just a matter of translating as literally as possible, or giving the most fluent translation that conveys the best SENSE of the word.  Also, the fact that it is a cognate does not mean that's how it would have to be translated.  To use German again, "Hund" means "dog" and though "Hund" is obviously a cognate of "Hound", translating it as "hound" would give a different meaning in terms of sense.  Another example is "Porc" means "pig" (living or on your plate) in French, however the English concept conveys a different of "pork" conveys a different sense.  Zao means large, but can't stand on its own really.  It is just a suffix, like the suffix -ism implies belief in, couldn't say "I have an ism."  It is an augmentative suffix.  English doesn't really have one of these, but we do have the diminutive (it's opposite), though not really even that (the -ette, -let, and sometimes -y suffix).  For example, dog versus doggie, or cat versus kittie.  It does not necessarily mean literally small.  The same, I feel is true of the augmentive, which is why I linked to it, to explain that it could imply other meanings besides "large" ("great" might be a good translator for sense, but it does not sound right in fluent English).
-Jared
Therefore, I am adding that statement back in, until someone knows Portuguese better or gives me a convincing reason not to.  Feel free to qualify it how ever you want, though.
: One convincing reason may be that we can't cite "the roommate of the person who made an edit from 68.252.242.188 because the person editing from that IP address was fairly confident in their roommate". :)  I'd love to see information about what PopoZão means added to the article, but I believe that a better source is needed.  I have not reverted your edit, but I believe that it should be reverted until a better citation is found.  Does anyone else have a comment on this?  --Takeel 14:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Houaiss is actually the most respectable dictionary of the Portuguese language. It doesn't have as many entries as its main competitor, Aurélio, but it is more authoritative. I must say though that I'm a native speaker of Brazilian Portuguese and never heard the word "popozão". But I don't know many vulgar words anyway.  201.52.32.9 03:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Literal Meaning

message: This article tends to ridicule Federline. I'd like to see something more balanced, as the artist himself mentioned that it was "Straight 2008". It could be argued that PopoZão was just ahead of its time.EdwardG
How would referring to a song that was panned by 99+% of those who heard it, to the point of being removed from the album when it was supposed to be the first single, as "Ahead of it's time," be at all neautral?  -Dontbiteit
Is their a guideline on wikipedia to how a universally panned event should be presented? Also, isn't praising this song POV in his favor?GolumTR 21:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've worked on several articles that were panned.  See Wind It Up (Gwen Stefani song) or Dirrty (both GAs) for examples of how to approach criticism.  Including Federline's opinion of the song would be fine, provided that it's worded correctly.  For example, stating that the song is "straight 2008" would be POV, but it would be completely reasonable to state that Federline defended the track and stated that it was "straight 2008" and ahead of its time.  ShadowHalo 00:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: Okay, since there's been an on-going edit war/vandalism I've protected the page for 1 week.  Come to an agreement about the inclusion, and I'll unprotect it. --Haemo 19:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The section does not belong. Its only source is a user-created submission on urbandictionary, which is not a valid source. IP 71.225.245.85 has used wikilawyering and sockpuppets to attempt to justify its inclusion in the article. -Drdisque 19:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm done with it. I don't feel like dealing with this article anymore and I'm going to unwatch it. I'm fine with its inclusion as long as the urbandictionary post is removed as a source (since it isn't) and a  is added to it. -Drdisque 19:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Protected