Talk:Attack on the NKVD Camp in Rembertów

message: We have a bit of a problem here.  Armia Krajowa was officially dissolved on January 19, 1945.  In May, 1945 former Home Army units that continued to fight would have operated under a different name. This needs to be cleared up. Balcer 02:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, but these were soldiers of AK. Besides, not all units obeyed the order of dissolution. Anyway, I will clear it up as much as I can Tymek 03:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am aware of the complications, but let's fix it, lest the article give the wrong impression that the AK as such still existed.  Anyway, it is simply a fact that the AK proper never (as far as I know) fought with official Soviet forces, in fact it was dissolved to prevent precisely that from occuring. Balcer 03:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I am checking sources available to me and all I see is AK. The article in Gazeta Polska mentions dissolution of AK in January 1945, however the author, Henryk Gojski, uses phrase "AK soldiers" in description of this event Tymek 15:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we know for certain that the AK no longer existed. "Former AK soldiers" is the only formulation that is fully accurate here. Balcer 17:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AK

message: I find it problematic that Jan Smuga-Domański is non-googleable.  Can people knowledgeable of him check the name's spelling? Digwuren 14:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was/is a local poet from Rembertow, unknown in Poland.I came across this name while writing the article, otherwise I had never heard of him  Tymek 17:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, so no one has heard of him, and presumably no one has heard of the poem, then why do we include it then?  It should only be in the article if it is notable.  Plus there are possible unresolved copyright issues.  So, in my opinion, removing it will only improve the article. Balcer 17:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I put the poem to enrich the article, but feel free to remove it Tymek 18:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The poem is interesting, but just too little known to be included here.  If you like, we can simply mention it and its author, without quoting it in full.  Actually, in terms of legacy, I am quite curious as to how this event is commemorated in Poland.  Is there a monument dedicated to it, for example?  That should definitely be discussed, if possible. Balcer 18:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not from Rembertow and I have no idea how this event is commemorated. BTW, I came across a very interesting page about this camp and its history, it may serve as grounds for further expansion of the article http://www.ipn.gov.pl/wai.php?serwis=pl&dzial=82&id=4543&poz=2 Tymek 19:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's in a name? 

message: Please insert footnotes, at least one per section, so that it be clear where various pieces of info came from.  `'Míkka 23:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Second.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnotes

message: Balcer asked about a monument to commemorate the camp and the attack
I found the photo of it, here http://www.rembertow.waw.pl/akrualnosci%20zdj/NKWD.jpg
the monument was erected on MAy 21, 1995
and here is what the inscription says
W miejscu tym na terenie dawnej fabryki "Pocisk" znajdowały się obozy od września 1941 do początku 1944 - hitlerowski obóz pracy jeńców sowieckich - komando stalag 333 - od lipca 1944 do września 1944 - hitlerowski obóz pracy dla więźniów polskich - od września 1944 do lipca 1945 sowiecki obóz specjalny NKWD nr 10 Żołnierzom oddziału partyzanckiego Armii Krajowej Obozu "Mewa - Kamień" Mińsk Mazowiecki który pod dowództwem ppor. Edwarda Wasilewskiego "Wichury" nocą z 20 na 21 maja 1945 roku rozbił obóz specjalny NKWD nr 10 w Rembertowie. Z obozu uwolniono ponad 500 więźniów akcja ta przerwała zsyłkę więźniów na wschód. Więźniom obozu NKWD nr 10 w Rembertowie żołnierzom i działaczom Polskiego Państwa Podziemnego represjonowanym i mordowanym których szczątki spoczywają na terenie dawnej fabryki amunicji "Pocisk" i na obszarach sowieckiego imperium
Tymek 03:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The photo could be temporarily uploaded under fair use, but hopefully we could get some pictures from our Warsaw Wikipedians...-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monument in Rembertow 

message: I think the discussion that followed on the DYK page should be moved here. Perhaps some admin could do it Tymek 19:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anybody can copy it at any time. I'd suggest to wait for until the nomination expires or is succesfull, and moving it then.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the nomination has expired, so I am pasting the discussion here. Arguments put forward by two gentlemen were ungrounded and fabricated, yet their tactics to make as much noise as possible seems to work Tymek 13:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will need to take them to my arsenal, then.  Adoption of some others of the most famous techniques of Ghirlandajo, such as the infamous overtly aggressive stance, has already shown considerable promise in discussions with Soviet sympathisers.  One of the largest victories of this approach is that Petri Krohn appears to have given up trying to deface Estonia-related articles, at least directly.  Digwuren 15:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion on the DYK page 

message: Xx236 (talk) 09:54, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why to quote the same page from two editions of Rising'44 ? 

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