Talk:Belgian Warmblood

message: The edit I put in yesterday did not use the term "breed". I left it out intentionally because in this case, it is misleading. Warmbloods are not considered breeds.
Countercanter 13:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gang, you are reinventing the wheel here a bit.  Go to list of horse breeds and Wikipedia:WikiProject horse breeds.  There is plenty of need for more work on breed articles, but this is not a new issue.  And please, oh please, do NOT start the "this isn't a REAL "breed" argument!  Oh the edit wars, and I know from my experience so far on wikipedia that the argument WILL be resolved in favor of more, rather than less, inclusion.   Personally, I am into Arabians, so I happen to personally think that a lot of so-called "breeds" are bogus, but I am also very committed to the Wikipedia pillar of WP:NPOV, too.  Thus, if enough people care to create a registry and call something a breed, it probably will pass the WP:Notability standard, and frankly, the fight just isn't worth it.  It's better to work on improving the articles themselves.  (I mean, does ANY breed advocate a bad temperament or pig eyes?  (LOL))!  Montanabw(talk) 22:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are doing nice work on this article.  If you can find some free images (i.e. GDFL or public domain) to add, that would be excellent--hard to find "Legal" images, why so many of the horse pics in wikipedia are so-so at best.   If you wanted to add anything to the warmblood article on when warmblood aficionados consider a certain crossbreed to be a breed, and if they aren't a breed, then what are they, that would be useful.  Of course, word carefully and diplomatically, with sources, or else we get edit wars (Someone once listed Tennessee Walkers in a laundry list of show jumping breeds, bless 'em--a problem solved by simply throwing out the laundry list!). Montanabw(talk) 23:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Late answer but  as for the "breed" question, right at the moment, Wikipedia has only two categories, "breeds" and "types."  By that standard, generic "warmbloods" or "sport horses" or "stock horse" or whatever form you pick are a type,  Trakehner is a breed, but there is no in-between for breeds in development such as the Hanoverian, etc...so basically, the process in wikipedia has been, if there is a registry with some kind of breed standard, call it a breed, particularly if offspring of registered animals also are registerable -- with or without additional screening and testing--I think the Friesians still have a testing and approval process, and no one will claim they aren't a "breed."   (conversely, say, the "bay horse" registry is NOT a real breed  registry).  I guess the distinction is a little too black and white, but I'd be interested in what you call Hanoverians, Oldenbergers, Swedish Warmbloods, etc., if not "breeds."   They are more than a "type" --  be interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter. Montanabw(talk) 05:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

message: Boy, I dare not even start trying to explain image upload policies, best you hit the "help" link over on the left of the page, then read the various (and not always real well written) articles on images and copyright.  However, I can tell you a couple of things:
1)   It isn't good enough that someone says it's OK to use the image on wikipedia, it has to be a truly free image that people can take and spread all over the net, or, if not a free image, then one that meets the "Fair Use" criteria or some of the other exceptions. (The image I used in White (horse) of the Lone Ranger and Silver is an example of a non-free image that still is OK and so far has not been tossed out by the wikigods)
2)  Ideally, free images are to be uploaded over at wikimedia Commons.  However, commons is even more fussy than wikipedia.  An image must be either public domain or released under a couple of possible "copyleft" licenses, either GDFL or CC (Creative Commons).  If I am sure an image is free (like if I took it myself), I upload it at commons.  If I am not sure, I upload it just to wikipedia, as there is a broader range of acceptable images here.
When you try to upload, they help walk you through it all.  I found it a bit frustrating at first to figure out, but so far I have yet to have an image tossed out (knocking on wood), though I did have to re-upload a couple images with different licenses because I had the wrong tag on them initially.  The wikigods will send you a fast alert if you mess up and give you a little time to fix things.  Usually...
Basically, what I have done has been to upload photos I took myself under a public domain license if they are really generic and I don't care what happens to them.  I have uploaded others under a joint GDFL/CC license if for some reason I want to retain a little control over the image (not a lot of control, but at least make people admit I took the photo), that is about the most control you can keep over an image that you took.   I have found images online that have a free license (such as some at Flickr) and uploaded them to illustrate various articles (particularly some of the horse harness articles, for example), and a few things can't go into Commons and have needed a special fair use or other copyright exception tag.  (For example, see what I did with the images for Khemosabi or Lady Anne Blunt)
The biggest thing people run into is if they try to upload a photo that was taken by a professional photographer that they happen to possess.  It has to be real clear who owns the copyright to the image...some pros keep the photograph copyright and technically even if you bought the photo, all you own is the single copy, not the rights to the image.  
Hope that helps.  Basically, if you have the patience for about 2 days of frustration, you will get it figured out and then there will be no stopping you!  LOL!  Montanabw(talk) 05:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
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