Talk:Consciousness Explained

message: This reminds me very much of Julian Jaynes and The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.  I'm sure there's also similar support from people studying lingusitics and semiotics; especially with regard to Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis.  First comes the information -- the thinking; then comes your internal modelling of that information -- language /  self-consciousness.  -- zuzu
===Julian Jaynes===
I was actually coming here to see if Julian Jaynes would get a mention, as Dennett is somewhat of an admirer and Julian Jaynes work acted as somewhat of a muse for Dennet's later ideas regarding consciousness. Philosophyfellow (talk) 14:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Parallelism vs. Serialism

message: I was actually coming here to see if Julian Jaynes would get a mention, as Dennett is somewhat of an admirer and Julian Jaynes work acted as somewhat of a muse for Dennet's later ideas regarding consciousness. Philosophyfellow (talk) 14:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Julian Jaynes

message: I have added a paragraph dealing with one of the more important topics of the book, ie qualia.
1Z 12:32, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qualia and Zombies 

message: Two external links have been added which appear to be
1) to personal web pages 
2) belonging to someone who is not a recognised authority
3) not dealing specifically with the book "consciousness explained" but rather qualia in general.
I will delete if there are no objections.1Z 15:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter Wilberg 

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message: A supporting statement for the "multiple drafts" theory is that there is no single point in the brain where all information funnels in. There is not one place in the brain through which all the causal trains must pass, in order to deposit their content in consciousness.
This is worded to sound like WP:OR. However, if it can be related to the book or to something a reviewer has said, ti cna go back in. (Preferably somewhere nearer to the discussion of MD).1Z 14:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supporting statement 

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message: Under the Inverted Spectrum section, there is a poorly-worded, non-punctual paragraph that tries to delve into specifics which have already been addressed more generally in the body of the article.
"it is of course possible but unprovable that this in fact exists. if what one person sees as the color red, another sees as what the first knows as green, but the second person calls that color red, who will ever know the difference unless they experience what the other does, which is impossible. imagine waking up as another person and seeing red grass and red trees for instance."
I'm not a Wikipedia person, and it will be some time before I take the time to learn all the rules and rationale for edits, so I just wanted to raise the issue and hope that someone else will delete it or fix it somehow.
168.150.253.55 (talk) 01:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd paragraph 

message: This book seems autoreferential to me, in the sense that it can be summed up by the following: "If consciousness is this, then consciousness is this"
Secondly, about the unscientificallity of subjectivity, it must be noted that all science eventually comes from the "subjective" contents of consciousness. All our thinking is happening inside that "subjective" consciousness. It is all that we are eventually aware of. We are never aware of anything else than those "subjective" contents".
And there is a problem with this concept of subjectivity itself. It is unadapted because ambiguous. It designates both the dillemma between measurable and not measurable, and the difference between conscious and non-conscious in its essence. But the fact that consciousness is not measurable, is not its main property - its "conscious property" is.
Therefore, because of this merely semantic ambiguity, the "subjective" consciousness can be objective in the sense that its "subjective" (ie. conscious) contents can be "objective" if they represent measured data.
If I am conscious tha an object is 1.8 meters long, this "subjective (conscious) content is "in the same time "objective".
This is where the author errs. He happilly mixes the two meanings.
Interestingly, in quantum physics too, a number of things are not measurable...
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.53.149.242 (talk) 13:08, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autoreference and the objectivity of subjectivity 

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message: Can we get a citation for this passage?
   Critics of Dennett's approach, such as David Chalmers and Thomas Nagel, argue that Dennett's argument misses the point of the inquiry by merely redefining consciousness as an external property and ignoring the subjective aspect completely.
5.148.145.68 (talk) 13:18, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation re. Nagel 

message: I don't think a book that was heralded as as "the book of the year," or whatever, warrants a reception section that is 90% just people taking issues with the philosophy itself. To the best of my knowledge, the book is considered well-written and a good representation of the philosophy it espouses, regardless of the merits of that philosophy. That is more what "reception" is about.
I do acknowledge that the philosophical objections are relevant, but should either be balanced or possibly moved to a separate section.
I say this as someone who dislikes Dennett's philosophy and is always glad to see it torn down. 2603:7081:1603:A300:88DD:6591:E7E:9FF (talk) 18:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception is mostly criticisms