Talk:Omnipresence

message: "Islam — While it started as a 7th Century break from Judaism[citation needed], which had an omnipresent outlook by that time, Allah loses his omnipresence in the mid-800s because of the positioning of its apologists in their philosophical dissertations in opposition to the Christian Trinity[citation needed]."
(I added citation needed tags.)
This item makes two claims, which are arguable:
# Islam is "a break" (derived) from Judaism
# Allah loses omnipresence
The first item is incorrect. Both Islam and Judaism (and also Christianity) are Abrahamic Religions; they are not derived from each other. (Actually according to Islamic sources, Judaism is derivation from "true religion", which is in fact Islam -- ok I know citation needed). Please look at the relevant articles for this debate.
The second claim is without any source (or discussion), however Allah article clearly states that Allah omnipresent. (This is the faith we muslims believe in).
If there are not proper citations, I'll edit the main article.
Update: I've removed the item on Islam. If there are any complaints please discuss them here.
Update: KI has reinserted the item, without any explanation or reference! Please do not do this, since it will lead to an edit war between us.
:I concur with the first objection, "Islam is a break from Judaism".  You're free to clarify.  I'm not even sure it's important given this is an article on omnipresence, not Islam.  As for the second issue, "Allah loses omnipresence", I can't really comment as I'm totally unfamiliar with Islam.  However, given the importance of Islam, there should really be some sort of statement in the article on the view of Islam on omnipresence.  Can you please try to add something that's NPOV into the article replacing the current statement on Islam?  Thanks. Samw 23:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the "NPOV" tag.  What you wrote is fine with me.  Like I said, I'm no expert on Islam, so whatever you write is probably a good start until someone else with more references or expertise comes along.  If you think what's there is not neutral, by all means reword.   Samw 23:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I guess the issue is resolved now. Sukru 13:37, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam 

message: I'm not sure what is meant here, but I don't know why it's only in early versions. Can anyone verify this?
"A common misconception is that the ancient Israelites worshipped an omnipresent deity. The Torah states that, 'Heavenly Father sees all' (a novel concept at the time), but also portrays the deity in a bodily form, such as when the deity  has supper with Abraham, or Jonah tries to flee from the deity. As late as the Book of Ezekiel (550 BCE), the Lord of Hosts comes from the Heavens in a Chariot of Fire."
I don't consider myself an expert on the Torah but I know that either you read the text wrong or you translated it wrong. Our G-d never sat down and had supper with Abraham. It was three angels. True, Jonah was trying to flee from G-d but he came to the realization that one couldn't do that. With regards to G-d coming down from heaven in a chariot of fire, that was actually a vision of the prophet Ezekiel and verses which descibe this vision aren't fully understood. 
What you understand to be a misconception is itself a misconception. The "ancient Israelites" did worship an Omnipresent G-d and continue to do so today but I think our religion's idea of Omnipresence is slightly different. We belive that G-d is all-seeing and all-knowing. G-d is everywhere but can, at the same time, choose to reside somewhere. 
The reason I am not editing the page myself is because I'm new at this and I don't quite know enough to write about the origin of mnipresence in Judaism.  
Adascm 23:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you explain Jonah's attempt to flee from God?  Samw 03:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical development

message: Why does ubiquitous redirect here? Ubiquitous requires a wiktionary link or a non-theological explanation within this article Pendragon39 17:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you the term ubiquitous a non-theological see french Wiki Ubiquitaire.Luciole2013 (talk) 12:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I redirected it to Wiktionary. Samw (talk) 02:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: See the ongoing discussion WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 9#Ubiquitous. Jay 💬 09:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ubiquitous