Talk:Sia

message: We spell Sia's new husband's last name "Bernad".  However, there are an awful lot of sources that spell it "Bernard", including this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and over 1,000 other Google news hits. "Bernad" has only 20% as many Google News hits. Shouldn't we at least note that other sources think it is "Bernard"?  I imagine that, eventually, someone will definitively clear this up, but it appears to still be in some doubt.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:15, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Dan "Bernad" or "Bernard"

message: I just reverted back to the last stable edit as nobody really changed anything...  do you think we should make the autism diagnosis more 'standout' in the health section as it's gaining quite a lot of media coverage (mostly in relation to the film)? Also, as we know she did indeed announce it on that Twitter Space a while ago but most sources are reporting that she has only just announced it. — Peterpie123rww (talk) 12:17, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I think it is given exactly the right amount of ink and prominence.  Sia has said, over the years, that she has been diagnosed with a whole bunch of psychological conditions.  If you go to enough shrinks and say, "hey do you think I might be on the spectrum?" eventually one of them will say "yes, could be." Also, the fact that the media is a little late in catching up to this earlier "revelation" is of no consequence whatever.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, will leave as is then. Thanks! — Peterpie123rww (talk) 14:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Autism diagnosis

message: Should the infobox image be one of her face or one of her in a wig like she wears for her concerts and public appearances? There have been discussions about this before, but none of them have had significant participation. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *The term "status quo" has one and very specific meaning, JDDJS. It denotes things as they are now. Not as they were a long time ago and not as they were a little while ago. The use of the term there is exact. There is nothing "misleading" in me saying the image is the status quo. -The Gnome (talk) 15:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *I wasn't going to comment, but since my name is invoked, I must say that I don't have a strong opinion either way.  I think that as long as the text is clear that she generally wears the wig in public, shows an image of this somewhere in the article, and explains that she began to do this to protect her privacy (among other reasons), then I am happy to see it either way in the infobox.  It is wearying to have to argue over these sorts of things every couple of years, and I anticipate that we will all be back here again. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:17, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

text: MaximusEditor (talk) 17:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost the same image is already in the article further down. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That could be replaced with one featuring Maddie Ziegler, which would be illustrative of her and Sia's performances Miklogfeather (talk) 14:29, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there any free images showing that?  I see that the ones you posted have Stephanie Mincone, Sia's other female dancer, not Ziegler. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, my mistake. Still one of those could be used. Miklogfeather (talk) 16:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not "illustrative of her performances", as her most famous videos and live performances have been with Ziegler. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:52, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, Here is a video of Mincone "giving birth" to Ziegler at a Sia performance and a photo of both of them. Zieger is on the left. Mincone has often been misidentified as Ziegler. When Zieger was available (she was still a minor during Sia's last tour), she did the dance solos; Mincone only did them on tour when Ziegler was not available.  Mincone has also danced for Taylor Swift and others. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC about the infobox image  

message: I found the RfC to refer to her as Sia throughout the article. We should have something that explains why. Ssilvers  suggested we follow the identified the example from Cher, which I've now done.which I followed.  - Hipal (talk) 03:05, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Hipal hi, sia didn't change her name, she was born with that name.  The difference is that she doesn't use the surname furler, only in songwriting credits. ?Silencedoc¿ 17:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I did not suggest any such thing.  You made it up. I only said that the Cher article does not use the "known monomously as" model.  I don't see what difference the legal name change would make (I have no idea whether Sia has done so), and I see no reason to clutter up the lead sentence. See Madonna, both of which are Good Articles. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: MOS is consensus. Anything else will require wide agreement. You realize that the Cher example doesn't apply for the reasons given, correct? If you can point to discussion on why Madonna is the way it is, as well as what her legal name is, please do so. Otherwise, it's WP:OSE. --Hipal (talk) 19:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I disagree with you.  I believe that you misunderstand the MOS. So we will have to wait for a wide agreement to change the status quo. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagreement doesn't mean we ignore our guidelines or policy. If no relevant examples can be given, there's no reason to waste further time trying to claim consensus against MOS. --Hipal (talk) 19:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

text: The status quo is preferable. Again, you misunderstand the MOS. None of those examples have to do with a case like Madonna or Sia, where the mononym is the person's first name. See also  Aaliyah and Usher (yet another Good Article), both of which are mentioned with approval in the MOS.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Thank you. I'll look into it for discussions. MOS also gives [[Selena] as an example, which uses the third example from above. --Hipal (talk) 20:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, your argument is definitely WP:OSE.  Clearly either way is correct, and equally clearly there is no consensus here to add the more cluttered alternative. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, MOS brings up the issue of clutter, though the examples aren't similar. --Hipal (talk) 20:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Known as Sia 

message: Did Sia first gained notability before or during the 21st century?  has been  and I'm not that familiar with her. Thedarkknightli (talk) 01:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: She was not notable before the 21st century. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:17, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your timely reply, @Ssilvers! Then this category should be removed, right? I'm not that familiar with the rules on Wikipedia. Thedarkknightli (talk) 02:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know much about the rules re: categories, and I don't care much about them. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:43, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories