Talk:Culture war speech

message: Okay, without knowing anything about this speech, I attempted to make this article look sane and NPOV. If it didn't work, please lend a  hand... -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 05:43, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

message: The article listed "Freedom of Religion" as a something conservatives support in culture war speeches, though in my experience conservatives define freedom religion differently then liberals, such as requiring less separation of church and state then liberals advocate. Also, the way the statement was stated, it give the impression that liberals generally do not support freedom of religion which is NPOV or factually accurate (depending on how freedom of religion is defined). I added a qualifier to the freedom of religion reference so as to be clear that the conservative definition differs from the liberal definition. --Cab88 02:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted to prior version.  It is not our place to place qualifiers that just put spin on the viewpoint positions of conservatives or liberals, as all this accomplishes is denigrating one view over the other.  Yes, there is a difference in freedom of religion between conservatives versus liberals.  However, it is much like a left handed compliment to put spin on a  "qualifier" attached to just the conservative side.  Yaf 03:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conservitives and freedom of religion 

message: I did some rearrangement of the text as it curiously put Ray Nagin with Ted Kennedy as an example of a "liberal". Politically Nagin certainly has not been. Some have locally nicknamed him "Ray Reagan" as a reference to his political similarities to Ronald Reagan, and he has enjoyed considerable support from conservatives and Republicans. -- Infrogmation 14:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Historically, perhaps.  But, during and after Katrina, he has been closely identified as a liberal, losing his historical alignment with white conservative voters, who ironically largely elected him prior to Katrina.  Since Katrina, he has universally been identified as a liberal.  Yaf 15:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not so. New Orleans white conservatives and Republicans were key in his reelection earlier this year. What specific sources with more than a passing knowledge of the New Orleans political scene identify him as a "liberal"? Wondering, -- Infrogmation 15:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is speculative to state whether white conservatives and Republicans were instrumental in his re-election.  Meanwhile, for a distinctly different viewpoint of his liberal leanings, see, for example, Whatever NOLA Wants, NOLA Gets. Yaf 02:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text:  If your point is to present a distinctly "liberal" politician, I'm sure you can find much more appropriate examples. -- Infrogmation 16:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've removed Nagin's paragraph. Google finds nothing for "chocolate city" "culture war speech" -wikipedia other than references to this article. Omphaloscope talk 17:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good call. I was just editing to try to give a more accurate description of Nagin, but I think you're right that it wasn't a particularly good example of anything related to "culture war". (It seemed more of an example of a politician making a clumsy attempt to pander to an audience and upsetting lots of people-- I don't think that's the same as culture war. ) -- Infrogmation 23:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nagin

message: The description of culture war speech currently given is extremely broad. It would seem to include any speech on a variety of topics emanating from one of the two largest entrenched camps in American politics. I'm far more interested in how the term has already been used (rather than exploring what new things we can apply the term to.) A Google search ("culture war speech" -wikipedia) suggests that the term is being used almost exclusively to refer to Buchanan's 1992 speech (the 'Culture War' speech) and Charlton Heston's 1999 speech at the Harvard Law School Forum. Shouldn't the article be focusing on these speeches, then, rather than allowing the concept to balloon? Omphaloscope talk 16:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buchanan and Heston 

message: Support. There is little documented use of the phrase culture war speech on the internet (outside Wikipedia). "Culture war" speech (with quotes) appears in a few places, always referring to either of two particular speeches (Buchanan's and Heston's). Both speeches should be mentioned in a section of culture war. We don't need a whole article to talk about how this phrase is used and where. Omphaloscope talk 07:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article now redirects to Culture war. Omphaloscope talk 07:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge &rarr; [[Culture war]]