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replies: text: Sweet. I struck the 'The' suggestion, as our use of that in a heading clarifies that "Sailor Animamates" is a group rather than a person. --Masamage 01:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't the plural form do that too, though, as in "Phages"?  I struck out the image requirement as I don't think it's possible - you couldn't find an image with anime, manga and musical Shadow Galacticans.  -Malkinann 03:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of Phage[s], should we have an image of one, like Sailor Guts or something? -- RattleMan 03:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah!  A male one, if possible.  We won't add images for all of them, but just having one for the phage entry would be good. - Malkinann 04:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a very good idea. But just to be sure: do we really want to sic this on unsuspecting guests? :) Also, I read somewhere that 'phage' is its own plural... --Masamage 09:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia-is-not-censored-for-minors, Wikipedia-is-not-censored-for-minors.  Gaaah!  *screams and blushes*  Ok, that one's a little scary.  Looking at the page, though, the only other one that really grabs me is the Sailor Stewardesses, or the Sailor Chef.  Those show how the originally human form is twisted with evil, and enhanced with shiny things!  Trouble is, the good 'establishing shots' tend to be on a wierd angle, to emphasise the POWAR of the MOTD.  Actually, the plural of phage might be interesting to find out, properly.  It's probably still phage, as it's a borrowing (of a borrowing...).  But my original point with the PhageS thing was to say that maybe we could change "The Sailor Animamates" to "Sailor Animamates" and still retain the group meaning.  Any confusion as to whether it's a single person or a group should be cleared up as the reader reads our Brilliant Prose.TM  ;) - Malkinann 10:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mua ha ha ha. X) And I like those you link, especially the Chef one, but I think that my personal favorite is in fact this shot of Sailor Guts. It's a guy for one, and for another it's probably the most obvious parody of a Senshi out of the entire lot. --Masamage 19:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmm...yeah, looks like he was the second. Awesome. --Masamage 23:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  :)  My, he looks fearsome.  - Malkinann 05:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just want to burst out laughing when i see that pic!Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 22:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Automated Peer Review

message: The Black Moon Clan, Death Busters and Dead Moon Circus have logos (A black moon, a star, and a thing thats on their heads respectively) Does shadow Galactica have one... (I'm not that far...) Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 20:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. I didn't think the Circus did, either... --Masamage 22:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Replied at Talk:Dead Moon Circus. --Masamage 03:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Nope, a logo is a piece of 2D imagery that an organization deliberately uses to represent itself. Strictly speaking, none of the villain groups in Sailor Moon have logos exactly, but a few of them do have consistent markings. --Masamage 21:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: is mc fly a refrance to the band MCFLY? Sailor cuteness 15:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, their article says they weren't founded until 2004. They're named after Marty McFly, from Back to the Future--I have no idea what the Sailor Moon character is named after. --Masamage 19:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My personal feeling is that MC Fly is an em cee (Master of Ceremonies), and he's a Fly!  :o - Malkinann 21:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point--which way do they pronounce it? --Masamage 21:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, but in the musical's plot (Wikimoon) he does use the 'cover' of an MC.  I'll link MC to Master of Ceremonies.-Malkinann 23:11, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. --Masamage 01:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the correction. --Masamage 01:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  does anyone have anything to correct in this
After the Sailor Moon Sailor Stars musical, the bug theme was dropped, and in Sailor Moon Sailor Stars Kaiteban musical he stayed rather the same but instead of transforming into a fly-man he wore a white tuxedo to impersonate Tuxedo Kamen as Tuxedo Kamen impersonated him various times ealier in the musical.Yayamaya 03:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MC FLY 

message: I added a small Snipit about the evil version of the Senshi to the "Other members" Should we replace the image of Nehelenia with one of the evil senshi? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a great idea. I say yes. --Masamage 01:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evil senshi 

message: Someone forgot to mention Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon! she appears in the manga and also in artbooks, and she is a fan favorite as well! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Princesuperstar (talk • contribs) 
*She's in the Sailor Animamates page already. JuJube 10:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon 

message: Would Kayosu and the Controled Galaxia count as a from of Chaos that's part of Shadow Galactica? Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 15:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are more...I don't know, disguises, possessions, of Chaos' form in the fifth story arc. The four forms from the previous story arcs, as I understand it, were actually separate incarnations. --Masamage ♫ 21:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forms of Chaos 

message: Are we doing places separate or like the Silver Millennium article? For example the garden, the rivers, graveyard and the castle, the TV station are all part of this group.  (All but the last is manga-based). Some character info is missing too... like Chaos in the manga as an entity and Sailor Chaos (manga), even as a subsection of the Choas article... which only seems to cover the musical form. The mention of the Chaos seed as well. The Death Phantom also made a cameo in this. I have a picture of the castle from the manga...  http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/cathedral.jpg and the TV station shouldn't be difficult. The graveyard is also in there as well. --Hitsuji Kinno 02:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds perfect, except that I was under the impression that Lethe, Mnemosyne, Chi, and Phi are not Animamates at all, which is why they were placed here. Also the Silver Millennium page focuses on eras, not buildings, but I've replied to you about that subject over there. --Masamage ♫ 05:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The manga only explicitly states that Tin Nyanko and Sailor Metal Papillion are Anima-Mates. I checked the Materials Collection as well. Also Sailor Phi? (Not sure) is listed as the commander... Act 47 Page 65 of Volume 17 first panel, Alex Glover lists her as the commander (His translations because she apologizes for Tin Nyanko's failure) "Galaxia-sama, pledge the power you have bestowed upon me to my underlings, the Sailor Anima-Mates!" says the kneeling woman. "And they will surely take the remaining sailor crystals as well." (Act 45). Sailor Phi was not listed as an Anima-Mate and there is no evidence to support she's a fake soldier, yet she's a commander. So is the definition fake soldier promised to have their own planet or just controlled by bracelets? If Sailor Phi is the commander, then that would mean that Lethe and Mnemosyne are. (Note that they came *before* Sailor Metal Papillion mentioned she was the final soldier of the Anima-Mates, (Not she's the leader like the article states) Act 49) This was before Phi and Chi died though. Phi also took it upon herself to kill Mnemosyne and Lethe calling them useless... as Galaxia had done for Tin Nyanko. O.o;; In any case even if that line of reasoning doesn't work, then the sub article probably should be renamed so that the stuff that's stranded in this article can be moved, that or move the stuff from this article that's stranded into a new article with the basis of controlled by Galaxia's Bracelets (formally defined as Galactica Bracelets, Materials Collection). Mainly I just want to clean up the clutter. The idea is that this introduces the group and its functions... which is why I want the stuff that's stranded moved somewhere constructive. --Hitsuji Kinno 11:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: P.S. The concept that "Anima-Mates" defined as a group are the current members comes not from the manga but Ian Miller. I did some checking around. The group Anima-Mates in the manga was never defined as he defined it. It's only clear that Sailor Phi and Chi aren't part of that group since Heavy Metal Papillion was the last one. However, this does not exclude previous Sailors that came before her. *shrugs* just thought I'd insert that it was Fan Speculation rather than manga fact and where it came from.--Hitsuji Kinno 12:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this was over a year and a half ago, but from my understanding of the manga, the difference between Animamates and senshi that just serve Galaxia is that Animamates were regular people that killed Sailor Senshi to obtain Sailor Crystals whereas the other servants are actual senshi that gave up their crystals willingly to serve her.   Lethe and Mnemosyne are clearly the original holders of their Sailor Crystals because of how they talk about their past, etc.  They joined Galaxia willingly seeking peace (HA!).  On the other hand, Lead Crow killed her planet's senshi to get the power.  Just my two cents, almost two years later ;P --Sakky (talk) 03:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing some stuff 

message: I was just wondering if there has been any official source that describes the Phage? I have yet to read through my TV Magazine of Sailor Stars, but from what I have seen from the anime, they do not turn into Phage just because they have their Starseed extracted. The black television cables that are underground throughout Tokyo from Ginga TV seem to tear through the ground and wrap around the victim and turn them into a parody Senshi. It wouldn't be known to the Sailor Anima-Mates of their Phage form if it wasn't them that cause this transformation of sorts. Although it's stated that they are created by the Anima-Mates, I think the cause of their transformation should also be noted. What do you think? ~ Fighter4luv 14:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked out the site. Although it's very detailed, she is still missing a few things (the term "anima" etc.) also doesn't seem to have a description for the Phage. ~ Fighter4luv 12:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry i thorght it did :{ ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 13:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phage description 

message: Isn't it 'Saffer', rather than Sapphire? The kana for it is サッファー, which approximates the old english 'Saffer' a lot closer than 'Sapphire' (which would usually be written as サファイア). Paul E Nolan 02:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, maybe. I'll mention it at WP:SM and see what the crowd says. --Masamage ♫ 03:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Ian, "Saffer" is the old English spelling of "Sapphire" and does fit the kana. He's usually pretty good with things like this, and the OED backs him up on that. Kerochan no Miko 22:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wellll, he's actually pretty iffy on a number of things, but they're usually obvious. I do agree with you that he's probably dead-on with this one. Or at least, I am pretty well convinced that saffā was not meant to approximate "sapphire" (safairu). We should investigate alternate meanings of Saffer just in case, though. --Masamage ♫ 23:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, a quick search shows no other meanings besides 'sapphire'. It is used as a surname, but none of the name dictionaries have it. I also checked around in the symbolism of sapphires, but there's nothing that's an obvious correlation to Galaxia. It's supposed to have special powers, but that's true of every stone, and anyway none of them are destruction-oriented. Regardless, I think we're pretty well agreed that the katakana shouldn't be romanized as Sapphire, whatever the case may be. If no one protests by June 6, 2007, let's go ahead and replace her crystal name with Saffer Crystal. --Masamage ♫ 23:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. "Saffer" is not an English word.  I don't think anyone in this world uses Old English as a primary language.  I've never heard of this word.  We don't always need to literally interpret the kana approximation of an English word.  This is an issue of translation quality, and if we truly want an optimum-quality translation, we should keep it as "Sapphire." --  Denelson83  00:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair, but it assumes that "saffer" actually means "sapphire". I'm honestly not sure about that, and was not planning to make a conclusive statement to that effect. Taking the word saffaa and assuming it's definitely supposed to mean the same thing as safairu is uncomfortably speculative for me. --Masamage ♫ 01:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, a possible precedent: we use Sailor Kakyuu, not Sailor Fireball. --Masamage ♫ 03:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Plus, bear in mind Takeuchi-sama used quite a few obscure or non-English/Japanese words and references when naming people & things in Sailor Moon e.g. Queen Nehelenia, Submarine Violon Tide & so on. I don't think it's too far-fetched to assume she used the Old English deliberately (meaning it should be kept in the translation).Paul E Nolan 10:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: サッファー is Saffer and is used as a name. It does not appear to approximate Sapphire otherwise サファイア would have been used. サファイア can also be used a name romanized as Safire. It seems that "Saffer" is a correct approximation of the katakana used, and could possibly just be a name. ~ Fighter4luv 14:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Totally reasonable request. I'll see what I can find. --Masamage ♫ 00:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, keep in mind that the English dub translated the name of Safiru (which can be pronounced as "Saffer") into "Sapphire." --  Denelson83  00:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Welll, his name was Safiiru, which is kind a stretch to get to Saffer with. That's a pretty intense long i sound. Also, he was matched up with three other gem-named people, so it's easier to tell what was meant. I'm still not sure what language those four's names were imitating, but that's for anothe talk page. Anyway, here's the katakana proof, courtesy of the Oracle. --Masamage ♫ 00:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Safiiru. The u is miniature. --Masamage ♫ 00:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well we know that サフィール represents the French word Saphir which means Sapphire & that was the only reason DiC called him Sapphire. They would always choose to keep the character's names more English. Also, I noticed that someone used the katakana　セフィール for Saphir's name on the Black Moon Clan page, so I have changed it. Anyway, I can't think of any other language that has "sapphire" sounding similar to Saffaa (サッファー)... ~ Fighter4luv 15:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: No complaints in nearly two weeks; I'm gonna reset the date for changing this to Friday, June 22. Please respond by then. --Masamage ♫ 18:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'm going to go ahead and change it now. Let us know if anyones come up with a reason not to! --Masamage ♫ 18:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sapphire" Crystal? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Sailorbuttress.jpg

message: See Talk:Sailor Animamates#Dub name please and thank you.Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 13:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dub name 

message: As part of the effort to keep our number of images under control, I propose that we remove the photo of Sailor Buttress and the scan of the Evil Sailor Senshi. Both of those can be described easily enough in prose that having copyrighted images is unnecessary: SB just looks like Galaxia with different colors, and the Evil Sailor Senshi just have bracelets and mean looks on their faces. If no one objects to this, I'll remove the images this coming weekend. --Masamage ♫ 17:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No one has objected to this, so I'm going to remove them now. --Masamage ♫ 07:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine. If I can find one of a group of the musical exclusive Senshi togethercould we cut a few and put that in? (The Greek trio, and Butress all together perhaps?) The evil senshi was a replacement for a Neheliena shot we had there but it was truely decoritive.Lego3400:  The Sage of Time (talk) 18:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant images 

message: I think we can safely cull the shots of Chaotic Galaxia and anime Chaos. They can be very easily described (Chaotic Galaxia is Sailor Galaxia with a different color scheme, Chaos is a swirly black thing with a face), so we don't really need to use copyrighted images to depict them. I'll give it a few days before removing them, though; sound off here if you have any objections or other suggestions. --Masamage ♫ 04:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: None. JuJube (talk) 04:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More extra images 

message: Do the head villians know there incarnations of Chaos?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.231.103 (talk) 16:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh...good question! As far as I know, none of them ever hints about it one way or the other. --Masamage ♫ 00:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Death Phantom knows about Chaos. He introduced Sailor Galaxia to Chaos  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.231.103 (talk) 20:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, true. I always got the impression that that was after the events of Black Moon arc, though? If so, it's still unclear whether or not he knew it during those events. I'm not sure. --Masamage ♫ 00:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

text: He wasn't dead; he's Chaos. Presumably it can take on any form it wants. But yeah, you have a point, and it would make sense for Galaxia to have been doing her thing for a long, long time before reaching Earth. --Masamage ♫ 21:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

text: That's also true! Yikes. So to return to the original question, it looks like we have no idea. X) So nothing should be said either way in the article, I guess. --Masamage ♫ 23:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  question? 

message: Shouldn't the content of Kyaosu's section be merged into Chaos's section? In the end, it is Chaos himself, not an incarnation, not a possession. --LoЯd ۞pεth 06:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. That's a leftover from when these were all separate articles; makes perfect sense to merge it. --Masamage ♫ 17:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kyaosu/Chaos 

message: The caption currently says "Center column: Galaxia in her good and evil forms"; shouldn't that be corrected? Her having a "good" versus an "evil" form is anime only, and that is a manga image. I suggest using something of the like "Center column: Galaxia in her civilian and Sailor Senshi forms", as that would be correct for both anime and manga. 201.253.201.28 (talk) 17:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, good call. I switched it per your recommendation. (Haven't read that arc of the manga myself yet--I'm missing volume 17. o_O) --Masamage ♫ 20:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caption under Shadow Galactica Image. 

message: Ian Miller's thesis was the Lapis Lazuli's Old English name (Saffer) was the name for Galaxia's Gem, however, there is a kanji issue and also a mineral issue.
扁青石 is Lapis Lazuli in kanji, however, the kanji for the gem used is: 青金石 This creates two issues. 1. Lapis Lazuli is not a mineral, however, the kanji "Kinseki" refers to a mineral specifically. 2. The kanji are different.
Sapphire's kanji is: 青玉 which is closer than Lapis Lazuli.
For a medical student to make that sort of blunder is unlikely, especially with kanji attached. The kanji read "Blue mineral" And definitely, Lapis Lazuli is *not* a mineral it is a stone. However, Sapphire is. There has to be a better solution.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=sapphire Also doesn't back Miller at all.
Rather Saffer is an Old French derived named for someone who was greedy. http://www.4crests.com/saffer-coat-of-arms.html
But there seems to be no support for that etymology. I'm thinking she wanted it to be somewhat ambiguous, because the name of the gem translates to "Blue or green mineral" Which could be a Sapphire. But since Sapphire has a kanji association, it just sounds ambiguous to me. But Saffer definitely doesn't fit.
Remember to back track all Ian Miller's research. They tend to end up at dead ends...--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 17:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like Japanese Wikipedia translates 青金石 as "lazurite." Lazurite is the main component of lapis lazuli, and is (according to this site) a mineral. The Japanese page for lapis lazuli also mentions the term, but I'm not very good at reading so I can't offer much insight there.  WWWJDIC also translates 青金石 as lapis lazuli. Wordnik mentions "saffer" under the etymology of sapphire, though it says it's Middle English, not Old English. Considering that the Online Etymology Dictionary cited above also states that the original term probably referred to lapis lazuli, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to make the connection between サッファー and lazurite.Edit Aha! Upon further investigation I believe 青金石 are the Chinese characters for lapis lazuli. So maybe we should change the note about the meaning of the kanji to reflect the Japanese meaning? Though I wonder if folks who spoke Middle English even made a distinction between lapis lazuli and lazurite...Yumecosmos (talk) 06:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd second this change since it would seem to be more accurate and have better references...JDict seems to translate it as Lazurite... So that may be more accurate. I doubt Takeuchi-sensei would make a mistake between Lapis Lazuli and Lazurite.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 23:01, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Saffer thing again

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