Talk:Adolescent clique

message: I moved some of the previous content around to make more sense, and added a section for middle school cliques.  Please leave me a comment if there are any problems. Thanks!
Tdb17 (talk) 00:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Types of Cliques 

message: I think that these two sections should be removed, because they add little to the article. Instead of See Also section, relevant internal links can and should be used. Is anyone opposed to this? Rebecita.angle 22:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of See Also and External Link section 

message: That picture seems really odd: surely there is something better? Turnstep 19:00, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
:I'm removing it. It's illogical. --Sn0wflake 23:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange picture 

message: Studying world history spanning the centuries it becomes noticeable that more often than not the wrong people become the leaders. There are exceptions, of course, Ghandi being one of them.
:Ghandi is not without criticism
If leaders are people who are driven by the need for acceptance, and are willing to exact pain and suffering upon those who do not meet their personal needs, then it is likely that those people should not be leaders.
Rather, those people who excel in a craft, or science, or any given human endeavor, should be taught leadership and allowed to practice it.
Cliques (or gangs in many instances) become a defining force for individuals. The leaders of cliques often become the leaders of countries, transnational corporations, and social institutions worldwide, and because of that cliques are social objects that should be thoroughly studied. The manipulation of clique behavior might better serve societal goals if that behavior is integrated into social systems rather than peripheral to them.
Clique behavior has been integrated to some degree in the more formalized activities and events such as sports programs and debate teams. The observation is that in these activities the team and program goals define the social behavior and social stratification within the group.
It may be interesting to find that less formal activities, such as water cooler discussions and power lunches, assign disproportionate meaning to unstructured behavior, and so allow a greater possibility of unhealthy social outcomes.
Related:
Interpersonal Configurations and Cliques
Populars and other cliques
Intergroup Conflict and Cooperation: The Robbers Cave Experiment
Xmo1 12:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social Groups and World Events 

message: Is the pronunication written supposed to be read as a homophone of the word "click"?  Although I am aware of this pronunication (which I think is particularly common in America), I believe the more classical pronunciation is somewhat like "cleek".  (This agrees with its origin as a French loanword.)
I do not know what phonetic standard Wikipedia recommends for writing out pronunciations, but perhaps both should be included at least for the sake of comparison.  Could someone else knowledgeable in these matters update the pronunciation?
:: Unfortunately, I don't know how to code IPA (but who does, anyway?  Esperanto-speakers?).  I think it would probably be sufficient to say that some Americans say pronounce the word "click" to rhyme with "stick", and everybody else says "cleek", to rhyme with "peek". 32.97.110.142 23:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Uh, cliques are also military alliances formed within warlords. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 01:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah...I heard that before. Hmp ;). --hello, i'm a member | talk to me! 06:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Is this use of the word only common in Chinese translation?  That's the only place I've heard it as such (as a modern example, the "Dalai clique"). 130.85.251.16 (talk) 15:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For me this was and is the main meaning of the word, e.g.the Shanghai clique, Guangtung cliques etc, however this wordseems to have been hijacked by the American and teenage centric useof this word. KTo288 (talk) 07:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  political cliques 

message: #American centric
#Youth centric
#Female centric
#Human centric (Yes, cliqueish behavior can be seen in animals)
#Where are the references??? (I didn't see a single one)
#Reads like it was written by a teenager
#Pro & Con list
I re-worked the intro, and made the pro & con list look less like a pro & con list, but the article still needs a lot of work.  I thought I'd leave a note here so people have my ideas to work with. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 18:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this has been tagged for clean-up forever and had so many problems I have now cut about half the content from the article; reducing it to a stub and "see also" section.  ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with this article 

message: Decided to lose half the article about the ridiculous game called 'bully' as it is irrelevant. Also, i removed the family clique information as it was ungrounded and technically a clique concerns only unrelated peoples 'with common interests' as the article states. --EvansUK 10:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Mess 

message: Cliques are really a natural and inevitable part of human nature whether manifesting in highschool cafs or high politics.Once you are in a clique it takes time to learn. Yet this article goes out of its way to make them sound ominous and evil, invoking Zhilis, Nazis and (unidentified) people from the Middle East.  Get a sense of balance morons!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.48.239 (talk) 05:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridiculous 

message: The table of contents doesn't even match the article. 72.0.175.144 (talk) 03:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Does No One Even Care About Content Anymore?

message: A clique (IPA:/'kliːk/, pronounced /'klɪk/ by some Americans) is an exclusive group of people who share interests, views, purposes, patterns of behavior, or ethnicity.[1] A clique as a reference group can be either normative or comparative. Members of a clique will try to exclude others from the group and are often seen as bullies. This is because they tend to outnumber people when arguing.
The final sentence is a non-sequitur and has no relevance to the definition of a clique. 
The second to last sentence is biased and should read: 
Membership in a clique is often, but not necessarily exclusive, and qualifications for membership may be social or essential to the nature of the clique. 
According to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clique - cliques are not always exclusive therefore I believe the definition should be changed to reflect this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseodoom (talk • contribs) 14:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition should be updated.  

message: I am a senior year Psychology major and I plan to update this article as a final project in my Seminar on Adolescent Development.  In the upcoming weeks I will be expanding this article a great deal.  Below you will see an outline of the new material, which will be accurate, current, and well cited.  If no one minds, I will delete and replace most of what's up now.  However, if deleting this work would offend any one, I'm willing to incorporate the existing sentences in the new material.   I also plan to delete the irrelevant note on graph theory unless any one is opposed.  If anyone has any objections to this plan, please let me know.
Intro
Definitions
Distinction from peer groups [link]
Membership
misconceptions: apply to both genders and all levels of popularity
Types of membership: Group Members, Liasons, Isolates
Stability and Change 
within individuals 
within cliques
Within Clique Structure
Heirarchy within the Clique
Studies have identified standard roles for girls and standard roles for boys
Status maintenance
New membership: Invitation vs. Application
Popularity
2 kinds: Sociometic & Percieved
Predictors of both
Long-term Effects of Popularity
Rejection
Popularity (by type)
Between Clique Structure
Hierarchy of cliques within peer groups much like individuals within a clique
Selection & Socialization:  Clique members group together because similar and become more similar over time.  
Major Determinants of shared group identity and status: 
-Orientation toward school
-Orientation toward teen culture, & 
-Involvement in antisocial Behavior: Broken down into studies on 
1. Aggression
2. Substance Use and 
3. Depression
Demographic Factors
-Age
-Socioeconomic Status
-Ethnicity (effects of academic tracking, effects of sustance use)
-Gender
Decline of Clique Behavior
Sex cleavage begins in early childhood
-Early adolescence - single gender cliques emerge
-Middle adolescence - single gender cliques socialize together, but largely interact within own clique.
-Late adolescence – couple form, attention shifts, cliques and organized peer groups replaced by loosely associated sets of couples (which will remain the norm).
Discussion
-Contrary to popular belief, cliques aren’t inherently bad.   They’re part of normative social development in our culture and can even be beneficial in these ways…
-However can clearly also be detrimental … so how can we help?
-Group Interventions don’t work and often cause Iatrogenic Effects via Deviancy Training.
-Families do seem to have more power than previously thought  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chelthom (talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning to update 

message: I rewrote this article to be more accurate, better cited, and include far more information.  It is still more America-centric than I would like, but that's what was in the literature.  It may also be too long but I'm not sure what to cut.  What do you guys think?  I'd really love it if anyone else has something to add or cares to help edit!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chelthom (talk • contribs) 20:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Updated

message: This is a good start for an article on adolescent cliques, but hardly an article on clique social structures at large.  There are a number of societies and cultural groups that rely on cliques extensively, across age- and gender-limits.  Examples include clique structures in organized crime, business, and politics.  Somebody who is /not/ specialized in child psych or sociological studies of adolescents (or, rather, getting undergraduate degrees in those fields) needs to retitle this article to "teen cliques" or something and write a reasonable, general article on clique sturctures without the overt disciplinary and cultural bias that currently dominates the article. 156.98.129.16 (talk) 16:15, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is both better and worse than my last complaint about it in 2008 (see above), it no longer reads as if it was written by a gaggle of LiLo wannabes, however the professional gloss and credentials given to it by the psych students means that the worrd clique here has further been hijacked to mean adolescent cliques, adult cliques being dismissed with the single line-"Although similar cliques may re-emerge in adulthood in specific contexts characterized by large, undifferentiated, anonymous crowds, overall, cliques are a transitory social phase"- well just because they are harder to study- being better able to resist the intrusions of graduate researchers-doesn't mean they don't exist. This week this appeared in the news {http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9648949/Camerons-clique-network-bars-women-claims-Dame.html Cameron’s clique network bars women, claims Dame}}, and before Cameron there was Blair's Kitchen Cabinet, groups to which the words "large, undifferentiated, anonymous crowds" do not apply.--KTo288 (talk) 11:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Deceptive titling

message: I have decided to edit this article for Psych 2410A at King’s 2012 Charlesdavybrown (talk) 13:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing

message: almost everything within the sections "Types of American cliques" and "Within clique structure" seems to be essentially unfounded (and crucially, uncited) assertions based on flawed and ridiculous tropes. i seriously think it's worth considering removing those sections altogether. Farleigheditor (talk) 21:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This entire article reads like a piece of fiction. Should be scrapped and entirely rewritten with evidence. donnellan Donnellan0007 (talk) 09:10, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

text: I agree. The tone and content of these sections suggest that they were written by young adolescents themselves. Bernsteinnn (talk) 22:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of content 

message: I have nominated this page for deletion. Many issues have been raised with this article for the better part of 20 years. It's time that it either was deleted, or a serious and in-depth re-write took place recentlyryan RecentlyRyan 11:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page deletion