Talk:Henry St John, 1st Viscount Bolingbroke

message: :I thought that no one was called that until in 1784.--Anglius 02:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Lord Lansdowne''

message: Regarding "...In Britain the name St John is pronounced Sinj'n  ..."; my understanding is that it is pronounced "sinj'n" in the case of a middle name or hyphenation, as in the James Bond movie where Rodger Moore uses the pseudonym "St.John-Smythe", but that it's "Saint John", same as in the States, when just a surname. Any Brit care to confirm? Thanks. Pete St.John 16:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can. The name of the prominent Tory politician Norman St.John-Stevas was pronounced Sinjn-Stevas during the 1980's. Roger Pearse 17:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: The introduction says that Bolingbroke was 'an intellectual leader of the "Country" party, attacking the corruption of the "Court party,"'. Later the article says he was a Tory (which aligns with my understanding of the matter). But the Whig article says this: 'The Whigs were originally also known as the "Country Party" (as opposed to the Tories, the "Court Party").'
Only one can be correct, and since Wikipedia shouldn't cite itself, I don't know which is correct. Maybe someone could sort this out? --Sapphire Wyvern 05:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Court and Country are terms better left to the earlier 17th century, before the party labels of "Whig" and "Tory" were created.  "Court" generally referred to the interests associated with the King, "Country" with those of the aristocratic landed interests -- but by the 18th century these interests were no longer so distinct, and the Tories (the former "Court" party) were deeply distrusted by the actual royal court.  Bolingbroke was, however, a leader of the Tory opposition, not the "Country" party (which no longer existed as such); and it's a little strange (at least without some supporting quotes) to see him portrayed as an apostle of liberty, or that the author of the Patriot King (from whom George III imbibed his ideas of kingship) should be thought of as an inspiration (other than negatively) for the American Revolution.RandomCritic 16:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tories were the Country Party? I thought that was the Whigs! 

message: There ought to be mention of the fact that Bolingbroke wrote a book advocating atheism, which he didn't dare publish in his lifetime but left to be published by one of his minions, to whom he left money to do it.  Dr Johnson attacks him for this in Boswell. Roger Pearse 17:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atheism 

message: Wasn't Lord Bolingbroke involved in negotiations with James III before the abortive '15 rising, and why is this not mentioned if so?
Jaguarjaguar (talk) 09:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1715 Jacobite rising 

message: Recently the file :File:Henry St John, 1st Viscount Bolingbroke by Jonathan Richardson.jpg (right) was uploaded and it appears to be relevant to this article and not currently used by it. If you're interested and think it would be a useful addition, please feel free to include it. Dcoetzee 23:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New file [[:File:Henry St John, 1st Viscount Bolingbroke by Jonathan Richardson.jpg]] 

message: The viscountcy is still in existence today, so many generations of collateral descendants are listed in Debrett's Peerage etc. Is there any reason why the following deserve a place in this article? I do not believe this list to be relevant to this article so have removed it to here: "Desecendants include : Gordon St John : born: 24/10/'34; Sylvia St John, (wife of Gordon), born :27/08/'35; their sons, Carl St John, born: 21/08/'61; and Heath St John; born: 31/08/'66; and Christopher St John, (son of Carl), born: 12/09/'95."(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 18:36, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of list of collateral descendants

message: "Bolingbroke did a service to the United Kingdom and democracy by stating the need and outlining the machinery of a systematic parliamentary opposition."
I put a "POV" tag on this, but maybe "peacock term" would have been more correct. While I personally approve of democracy and think that opposition parties are generally a good idea, it's not the only way to run a government and it does have its flaws. Actually ... I'm not sure, come to think of it, that an "opposition party" is such a hot idea: dividing things up into rugby teams and dismissing possible solutions because they came from the wrong side of the house.
So: POV. "did a service", not necessarily.  Paul Murray (talk) 03:43, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: sections on Wiki are almost always uncurated and a waste of time, tending to bloat and without any guidelines.
Kindly restore these sources as they are used for citations by the article or with some notes as to their importance or relevance:
* Sir Charles Petrie ( Bollingbrooke ) 1937
* Barrell, Rex A.  Bolingbroke and France (1988)
* Biddle, Sheila. Bolingbroke and Harley. London. Allen & Unwin, 1975. 
*H. T. Dickinson, Bolingbroke (London: Constable, 1970).  ; the standard political biography
* Fieldhouse, Henry N. "Bolingbroke and the Idea of Non-Party Government," History (1938) 23:46+
*Gerrard, Christine. The Patriot Opposition to Walpole: Politics, Poetry, and National Myth, 1725–1742 (1994).
* Douglas, Sir Harkness. Bolingbroke: The Man and His Career (1957), biography
* Hammond, Brean S.  Pope and Bolingbroke: A Study of Friendship and Influence (1984)
* Hart, Jeffrey.  Viscount Bolingbroke (1980)
* Hassall, Arthur. Life of Viscount Bolingbroke (2006). Originally published 1889.
* Hearnshaw, F. J. C.  Bolingbroke and Progressive Conservatism, Kessinger Publishing (2005) . Originally published as a chapter in Hearnshaw's Some Great Political Idealists of the Christian era (1937)
* Kramnick, Isaac. Bolingbroke and His Circle: The Politics of Nostalgia in the Age of Walpole (1992); political philosophy
* Kramnick, Isaac. "An Augustan Reply to Locke: Bolingbroke on Natural Law and the Origin of Government," Political Science Quarterly Vol. 82, No. 4 (Dec., 1967), pp. 571–594 in JSTOR
* Mansfield, Harvey C.. Statesmanship and party government;: A study of Burke and Bolingbroke (1965)
* Petrie, Sir Charles: Bolingbroke (1937)
* Pocock; J. G. A. The Machiavellian Moment: Florentine Political Thought and the Atlantic Republican Tradition. (1975)
* Sichel Walter. Bolingbroke And His Times, 2 vols. (1901–02) Vol. 1 The Reign of Queen Anne, Vol. 2 March 1715 - December 1751 ; old fashioned narrative
* Varey, Simon. Henry St John, Viscount Bolingbroke (Twayne's English Authors Series) (1984), short summary
* Zagorin, Perez. “The Court and the Country: A Note on Political Terminology in the Earlier Seventeenth Century," English Historical Review (1962) 77;306-11 in JSTOR
Thanks, — LlywelynII 00:38, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reading 

message: Why the title Viscount Bolingbroke?  Did he choose it himself?  If not, who did?   In English history the name 'Bolingbroke', without further explanation, would usually be taken to refer to King Henry IV, son of John of Gaunt.  Henry was born at Bolingbroke castle in Lincolnshire, which provides some basis for the name, though as far as I know he never had a formal title including the word.  In the case of Henry St John, what reason could there be for the choice of the name?  On the face of it, it would be presumptuous (or satirical), for someone to take (or be given) the name of a former king.2A00:23C8:7907:4B01:A5D0:3C45:1CDF:F28 (talk) 21:49, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Bolingbroke?