Talk:Not in Portland

message: When Sawyer, Kate and Alex fool Andro Sawyer says something like "I can't beliebe you fell for the old Wookie trick." Sawyer made a SW reference while the raft was being built. Cardboard boxA 01:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Star Wars reference

message: Excuse me, but nobody has considered her research. Since obviously whatever she is doing to her sister is a big deal, I am guessing that whatever she had done is not envitro. I was just wondering if anybody has considered if the medicine might force her to become pregnant with herself, ie basically cloning her. Any other ideas on why being pregnant might have "ethical" issues?
::well, you are right, that's is what I understood too. Has anyone got any more precise info?--192.33.238.6 19:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pregnant?

message: I don't understand what is speculation about the promotional picture or other edits in that revert.  Maybe there's a fair use argument, but the picture is directly from ABC and tagged by them as being from this episode.  I also don't understand why the revert included things like adding a website for a minor actor and such.  If you're going to revert, please explain why on the talk page.  --Milo H Minderbinder 00:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Citations are not given, the image is not fair use, and edit is riddled with speculation and other extraneous junk, simple as that as has been said basically in edit summaries. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 00:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page cites an ABC press release about the episode and I don't see anything in the article not in that press release.  What specifically is speculation or "extraneous junk"?  And why do you keep adding a link to an actor website?  Are promotional photos not allowed under fair use?  --Milo H Minderbinder 00:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Speculation" revert 

message: Is it me or does the layout for this article seem weird, and very messy, especially with the table towards the bottom? It may be my resolution, but every other article seems to be fine.
If it helps, it's the Lostnav part that seems to be playing up. Calvin 18:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to fix the formatting to make it look like other episodes, that's fine with me.  But you may not want to bother since the article will change drastically anyway once it airs.  --Milo H Minderbinder 18:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I figured the problem might just be because there isn't much information in it. Thus, making the layout go together, if you know what I mean. It might be better to wait until the episode has been written up first. Calvin 18:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Layout of this article

message: The episode is done airing on the east coast. The synopsis is empirical knowledge for at least a million viewers... at what point does the soon-to-be-obvious become Wikipedia-friendly? --Ted 04:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source? 

message: According to the main LOST wiki page, the sixth episode takes place on 12/4/04, which is not 3 years, 2 months, 28 days after 9/11/01 (it's actually 3 years, 2 months and 22 days after) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Weeba (talk • contribs) 15:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, he she came to the island on September 5th. I changed it. --The monkeyhate 16:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way, that is assuming time works the same way on the Island.... If time there is "faster" than she may have been there since much later than Sept. 5th 2001. Just a thought. Butnotthehippo 20:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Until we get futher information, we must assume time moves as fast on the island as it does IRL. --The monkeyhate 13:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Looks like someone has done the math to 9/4/01 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Weeba (talk • contribs) 17:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sept 11? 

message: Was anyone able to make out what Ben was saying to Juliet when they were talking alone in the OR? They flashed to an upside-down mirrored shot of Ben talking (from Jack's POV), and it looked like if you flipped the image you should be able to read his lips. Gabefarkas 15:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What Ben Said in the Mirror

message: Since this episode was pretty much Juliet's, could anyone find an image from this ep with her in it? --DrBat 21:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorted Codu (t)⁄(c) •  12:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main image 

message: mittellos with (two "l") in german is fundless in english.
And the bus scene is quite similar to the one in Final Destination, maybe somekind of in-joke --helohe (talk) 23:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mittelos also sounds a lot like the name of evil Hanso Foundation guy Thomas Mittlewerk. Just a thought. Tphi 01:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mittelos BioScience 

message: Could the room that Alex's boyfriend Karl, was found in be the same room mentioned in Three Minutes? pel99 3:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Room 

message: ” In the Swan hatch, Juliet checks the security cameras and finds Kate, Sawyer, and Alex outside the Dharma facility where Karl is being held captive."
This is 100% not the swan hatch. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHARMA_Initiative_stations —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.167.237.102 (talk) 04:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay well, this summary sucks in general but.. 

message: We have a vehemently crap screen capture at present which is also at full resolution (- not web res. -) and blury, could someone upload a new one? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 07:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screencap 

message: I was watching the scene where they brainwash Karl, and noticed a couple of things that might be worth mentioning - The room he is in is room 23, which is a significant number in the occult. A pair of compasses were also shown, which is a Masonic symbol. Also, the quote about planting a good seed is from the Dhammapada, which I suppose is a reference to the Dharma Initiative. I'm pretty sure this all counts as speculation, so didn't want to add it to the article, but thought I'd point it out here in case any more references are given to things like this. Richard Jackson 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brainwashing video 

message: The plot summary here is obscenely long and can easily be condensed to a paragraph or two. —ptk✰fgs 19:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary 

message: I think the main Image should be of Juliet. It is her episode after all. I will change it sometime later tonight, unless somebody has a reason that the image of Kate and Sawyer should stay. Furthermore, I actually think the current image is bad because it is a bit of a spolier. Someone would have learned that they got a boat. Juliet with a gun doesn't really teach the reader anything. Codu (t)⁄(c) •  18:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Image 

message: While I am not an experienced wikipedia writer/editor, it seems to me that 1,850 words over the top for a one episode plot summary, and the written style of this article is amateurish.
It could be reduced to 500 words or less, with a lot of insignificant details removed. For example...
Juliet sits on a beach, staring out into the ocean, flipping a small pouch in her hands. She gets up and heads into the hallway of a dilapidated building. As she walks down the hall, she passes Ethan. She enters a room where a girl lies in bed, hooked up to oxygen canisters and with a cloth wrapped around her head. It seems she is ill, and this becomes more apparent when Juliet injects her stomach with something. This is revealed to be Juliet’s sister. It is also revealed that this scene takes place in Miami when Juliet opens the curtains and an Oceanic Airlines flight is landing at the Miami airport.
Could be changed to
"The episode begins with a flashback featuring Juliet in Miami, caring for her pregnant sister."
Furthermore, do the accounts of the two stories (i.e. What happened to Juliet in Miami, and What happens to everyone on the island) have to appear in the same chronological order in the article as they do in the episode?
Would it not be easier to devote the first part of the article to the Miami story, and the second to the "present day" story? While this might lack the same dramatic timing and sense of revelation that the episode has, it would be easier to read in a factual kind of way.
Just my 2c. Leeroy946 16:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have condensed the plot summary. It was, indeed, far too long. —ptk✰fgs 21:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  condense is fine but I think that details like "It seems she is ill" or "Juliet opens the curtains and an Oceanic Airlines flight is landing at the Miami airport" are/could be important. --192.33.238.6 20:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too long 

message: I'm all for trivia. It spicies up and puts a spin on an episode, but the amount of trivia right now is much too long. Codu (t)⁄(c) •  01:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Much of the trivia was original research, and the bulk of what remained was so trivial as to be uninteresting and patently unencyclopedic. I have removed all but the first two items. —ptk✰fgs 21:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:3X07 JulietIsland.jpg

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