Talk:Hanno the Navigator

message: What is with the hairy women? [unsigned]
:Don't know whether this was a serious question, but I added in some text going into the various theories concerning the hairy women. Martijn Faassen 20:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gorillas 

message: Hi. Sorry, it's taken me a while to get back here. I hope in the next day or two to make absolutely sure, and I think someone has confused Herodotus's account of the Phoenician voyage around Africa with Hanno's voyage. I'll reread the account of Hanno's voyage to make sure my memory is correct and, if so, correct the article. By the way, I'm happy with BCE dates. Gallador 14:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pharaoh Neccho 

message: Hi. Actually, modern scholars believe the report Phoenicians circumnavigated Africa, for the reason Herodotus doubted it, that the sun was to the north. This account of a voyage c. 595 BCE around Africa from the east has been confused in this Hanno article with Hanno's separate voyage c. 425 BCE. part way down the west coast. Gallador 22:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herodotus 

message: It is sad to see that the additions I added yesterday have been so quickly removed and replaced with the erroneous information such as Hanno living circa 450 BC, which is absolutely incorrect and can be proven by the fact that one of the cities founded by Hanno is mentioned specifically by the Greek historian Hecataeus, who lived 550 to 470 BC.  In fact the work of Hecataeus which mentions Hanno's city has been dated to 520 BC. How could Hecataeus have mentioned the city if Hanno lived more than twenty years after his death?  This sort of mis-information is rife with many Carthaginian historical figures, and I see that we cannot get the record set straight thanks to our members like Wetman.  I included references, which have been deleted.
Good luck with your Wikipedia, I will not add any further information.
Oroblanco  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oroblanco (talk • contribs) 01:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (The deleted bits of "information" were the "Dating the Voyage of Hanno" section and asserted Atlantis connections with a personal signature added shown in this diff. Was anything of value lost in deleting this apparently unencyclopedic unsourced personal essay? --Wetman (talk) 10:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed additions of Oroblanco 

message: User:Clovis re-prefixed "amateur" to Dr. Fell's name as a epigrapher, stating in his description that this is the case because Dr. Fell's "training and experience" a marine biologist.
However, it is disingenuous to discount an academic as an "amateur" if his professional experience crosses into other fields.  Many people go on to significant professional expertise in fields other than the title of their academic major.
In Fell's case, his doctoral dissertation in Marine Biology was on the dispersion of animal species, including humans, to islands.  Consequently it was his doctoral thesis on dispersion of people in the Pacific that led Dr. Fell into the field epigraphy.  As a tenured Harvard professor, Dr. Fell published several books on epigraphy and founded several epigraphic societies.  One would be hard pressed to find a "professional" epigrapher who has published more on the subject.
It appears to me that Clovis' use of the word "amateur" is intended to marginalise Dr. Fell's expertise because Clovis disagrees with Dr. Fell's conclusion. That violates NPOV.  I am reverting it - again.
Cadwallader (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 18:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He was an amateur. You even wrote "It should also be remembered that most of the pioneering work on epigraphy that is now taught by academics was originally published by "amateurs" such as Georg Fabricius - literature professor, Theodor Mommsen - classicist. Like Fell, these men were multi-talented tenured professors whose interests and academic work delved into a number of far-fetched areas."  If you actually know anything about Barry Fell, you should know that even his most fervent supporters praise him for his identifcation of scripts and deprecate his translations and the accuracy of his drawings of inscriptions. 'Amateur' is correct.  And I agree with you that there are many gifted and famous amateurs, but I don't think Fell was one of them. Of course, if you prefer 'untrained' or 'unqualified'....Doug Weller (talk) 20:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Fell's Professional Status 

message: Is there any definitem evidence that Gorillas lived in the costal areas where Hanno travelled?
Could this be a misprint for Chimpanzees which are more active and savage than Gorillas?AT Kunene (talk) 11:39, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gorillas? 

message: There are bound to various arguments about the length of Hannos voyages. About the only definite clue seems to be the rivers of fire which may be an active volcano.
Wherever Hanno reached there doesn't seem to be any mention of any subsequant voyages to the same area or even any further results of the Phoenician voyage around Africa. 
Could it be that there were no profits likely to be made from such extended trade routes and that was an end to these voyages of exploration?AT Kunene (talk) 17:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's widely thought that the Carthaginians / Phoenicians were fairly secretive about their activities, and that what information they did share was designed to discourage competition.  Himilco's exploration to the north took place at the same time as Hanno's, and we hear nothing more about trade in that direction either, yet the Carthaginians seems to have had sources of tin from somewhere. But keep in mind this page is not a general forum, the main purpose is to discuss how the article can be improved, sourced, etc. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 18:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Later voyages 

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message: List of ancient authors that mention Hanno:
* Appian
* Polybius
* Diodorus Siculus
* Herodotus
* Aristotle
(Greek authors, according to University of Chicago)
* Cicero
* Plautus
(according to similar source)
Maybe some more? Wikinights (talk) 22:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient authors 

message: Today I removed several external links. Page before, Page after. Reasons:
* "Arriani et Hannonis ..." this Greek and Latin text is unreadable for most readers.
* "Primo volume dell ..." same reason but in Italian
* "Hannonis periplus. Quem ..." no link; should be placed in External links instead. Published in 1661, probably Latin, not readily available per a Google search; therefore, I think it will never be used as a source.
* "Genuina Stephani Byzantini" Latin
* "Geographi graeci minores ..." Latin and Greek
* "The Periplus of Hanno" translation on archive.org. We already have a more recent translation cited, which also has more introductory material, annotations, maps, etc.
* "Periplus in English" same
* "Hanno's voyage" same
* "Hanno, a Carthaginian navigator" encyclopedia entry already cited
* "Annotated commentary" webpage already cited. Significant differences from modern version
* "Scan of an original Byzantine manuscript" the Byzantine manuscript is cited in the article as "Add MS 19391" Wikinights (talk) 00:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing external links 

message: This is my current plan for the sections.
0. Lead
1. Biography
2. Periplus
  2.0. Note information about text
  2.1. Summarize the periplus
  2.2. Textual criticism
3. Expedition (from a modern scholar's viewpoint)
4. Ancient authors' accounts
5. Legacy
Wikinights (talk) 08:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section plan