Talk:War of the League of Cambrai

message: Seamless meld! Was that all the material that wasn't already here? Good edit! --Wetman 10:15, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are still some things I'd like to add, actually; maybe in a week or two. Kirill Lokshin 18:56, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early comments 

message: War of the League of Cambrai results                                                                                                            	War of the League of Cambrai results
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1508-1510  League of Cambrai against Venice                                                                                                     	1508-1510  League of Cambrai against Venice
Result: France defeated Venice, Venice defeated the HRE and the Papacy, but Venice surrendered to the Papacy; increased French presence in Italy	Result: France defeated Venice, Venice defeated the HRE and the Papacy, but Venice surrendered to the Papacy; increased French presence in Italy
1510-1511  Venice-Papal alliance against France                                                                                                 	1510-1511  Venice-Papal alliance against France
Result: French victory                                                                                                                          	Result: French victory
1511-1513  Holy League against France                                                                                                           	1511-1513  Holy League against France
Result: Holy League victory; Germans refuse to surrender territory to Venice - Venice turns to France for help                                  	Result: Holy League victory; Germans refuse to surrender territory to Venice - Venice turns to France for help
1513-1516 Venetian-French alliance against Holy League                                                                                          	1513-1516 Venetian-French alliance against Holy League
Result: Venice and French victory over the Holy League                                                                                          	Result: Venice and French victory over the Holy League
I've removed the box listing the results.  It drastically over-simplifies both the phases of the war and the actual results; a correct description of the result would be a paragraph of text for each phase.  I see no need to use such simplified information merely for the dubious benefit of having another box on the page, which already has two. Kirill Lokshin 14:09, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok fine, it just seems that the article needs some simplification. It seems to be one of the most confusing wars in history. I wanted it because theres always a "result" section of the standard warboxes. Astrokey44 21:16, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've added a result section to the warbox at the top (thanks for pointing that out — I'm surprised I missed its absence).  I think the result of the war as a whole should be quite sufficient for the casual reader; if anyone is really interested in finding out how each phase ended, they probably don't need a separate box to tell them, as they'll likely be reading the article fully. Kirill Lokshin 21:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Result box 

message: "Christine Shaw, Julius II: the Warrior Pope (Oxford:Blackwell) 1993." - can we get a page number with that?  It's not really a citation, otherwise. 
(And, in any case, there's no need to revert stylistic cleanup merely because you want to add the citations back; nor to arbitrarily change citation styles; and particularly not to alter citations to point to an entirely different place without realizing that a different edition is being used.) Kirill 13:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do. How could I have thought the citations were being deleted? --Wetman 19:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for adding them.  (I suppose I ought to get a copy of that book at some point, so I can do that myself. ;-) Kirill 20:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaw citation 

message: While I'm not suppose to make forum discussion comments, I just have to say, clicking on the link on the main page and reading the box.  I just can't help but laugh.  So much side switching!  DarkGhost89 (talk) 12:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow... 

message: Wowowow! All stop!
The link to the Council of Pisa, which occurred in the text that narrated how Julius and Spain agreed punish Florence because Florence had slighted the Pope by allowing Louis to hold the Council of Pisa in Florentine territory, incorrectly lead the reader to the Wiki article on the Council of Pisa (1409) during the Western Schism in which a second antipope was elected. This event transpired more than one century ago before the Wars of the League of Cambrai and obviously had nothing to do with Florence or Julius II or the Spaniards; the source of the confusion is that there were TWO Councils of Pisa, the First at 1409, the Second at 1511. The Second Council of Pisa was also known as the Fifth Council of the Lateran, which was a debate over clerical reform and sovereignty of the monarchs v. Papal claims and the source of Julius II's irritation.
Jonathan Chin
:Good catch!  If I'm not mistaken, the 1511 Council of Pisa was the French-sponsored preliminary to the Fifth Lateran Council, not the Fifth Lateran itself; but, since the Lateran article seems to be the only one that mentions the events in Pisa, I've changed the link to point to that for the time being.  Eventually, we'll probably want either a full article on the earlier council, or more material in the Lateran article covering the full sequence of events. Kirill [talk] [pf] 05:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Emergency! Link is WRONG!

message: A  discussion on a major conflict infobox is taking place at Template talk:WW2InfoBox#Allies.. All input welcome. Thank you. walk victor falk talk 07:12, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion on major conflict infobox

message: This article was on a list to be considered for Wikipedia:Featured article review. I've added a few "citation needed" tags; there may be more places citations are needed. Major contributors, for notification purposes: User:Kirill Lokshin, User:Wetman, User:Viator slovenicus. -- Beland (talk) 01:27, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured article status

message: Do I need to talk about this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.162.64.232 (talk) 06:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Noted for the side switching done by the papal states and venice

message: I don't have much knowledge of the League, but it seems to me that the Crown of Castile did not play much of a role, if any in the war. Is there any evidence of Ferdinand using his regency over Castile to become involved? If not then it doesn't seem like mentions of 'Spain' are accurate, and references to it should be replaced with the Crown of Aragon. Linking the Spanish Empire is certainly wrong, as this refers mostly to Spain's colonial empire in the Americas. Ecrm87 (talk) 23:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Certain Habsburg Pavia flags contain the quartered Castile/aragon coat of arms. Spain is hard to say but there would have been Aragon’s, Catalan, and neapolitan men. Neapolitan army contain Albanians and at times Greek mercenaries. Yes Spain is a simplification but it beats “Ferdinand II king of Aragon, regent of Castile, lord of the indies (Castilian possession)and king of Naples) 2601:140:4101:DA40:AD49:D0B8:CD2D:166C (talk) 06:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Ferdinand held the Crown of Aragon, his territories probably included the Principality of Catalonia, the Kingdom of Majorca, the Kingdom of Valencia, and Southern Italy. He was the regent of the Crown of Castile from 1507 to his death in 1516. He also managed to conquer the southern areas of the Kingdom of Navarre in his 1512 campaign. Dimadick (talk) 13:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Spain'