Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force/Archive 1

message: I would like to suggest the change of the color of the genrebox of heavy metal to a tone close to "#ca1b02". Cyan doesn't quite reflect the overall feeling of the genre. I would like to hear the opinion of anybody involved in the project. If I get no negative replies in three days, I will make the change. --Sn0wflake 03:05, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea of #BB0022. I support it fully. --Sn0wflake 03:47, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect! Andros 1337 04:06, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy metal genrebox color 

message: Greetings from the WikiProject Stub sorting. As some of you probably already noticed, there is now a dedicated stub template for music genres. I guess I should make a proper announcement here anyway. The template is Template:music-genre-stub, and the Category is :Category:Music genre stubs. -- grm_wnr Esc 02:36, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New stub template: <nowiki>{{music-genre-stub}}</nowiki> 

message: Please have a look @ Talk:List_of_heavy_metal_bands#Redundant. Sam Spade  15:05, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  lists of metal bands 

message: I edited 
Now I am getting all kinds of grief on my talk page, among other reasons because I had the audacity to change the color? Apparently I have to ask permission, or some such? Is this the right place? And who gets to decide? Why them and not me (who rewrote the template). Sam Spade  23:03, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the Wikipedia is a democracy. As for the proposition, I vote against it. All templates should follow the current color pattern (white/black letters on a contrasting background). If this kind of exception is made, then everyone gets the same privilege, which will lead into a minor standard chaos. --Sn0wflake 00:17, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

text: It keeps everything simple.  If heavy metal gets a special text color, that means that other genres will have to get a text color too.  This will make things more complicated.  I started the concept of using different colors for different genres, and it was greatly expanded by Tuf-Kat.  I wanted this to be a simple color-coding method. Andros 1337 20:01, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sam Spade, to me, what that paragraph you linked says is: empty votes with no reasoning or argumentation are discouraged, not the proccess of reaching a community consensus by means of vote. I did present a reason for my vote. It is simply a matter of all templates following this standard. No font color. It helps improve redability and gives a more professional look to the 'pedia. --Sn0wflake 20:05, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Are you proposing the creation of a survey? --Sn0wflake 22:11, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That is most certainly not explained there. A democracy occurs when all can express their thoughts about a situation. It has NOTHING to do with voting. --Sn0wflake 23:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Intersting, you created an argument and vehemently insisted on your point. You then lost interest and randomly posted rules and links to try to come off as superior whithout ever giving a straight answer. Yes, I do tire of arguing with you. Let's indeed move on. --Sn0wflake 01:23, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  heavy metal 

message: Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject World music#template use and :Category:Articles needing an infobox. Circeus 17:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related discussions 

message: What the heck? I don't hav e the time to follow you about reverting you, but... this sucks! Sam Spade 15:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:WikiProject Music genres is pretty clear -- only the top-level genre page (e.g. heavy metal music) gets the infobox.  That's exactly how every other infobox on the wiki works AFAIK. Tuf-Kat 15:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Because it's an infobox... All infoboxes go on one page -- it's got information about heavy metal music, not grindcore or National Socialist black metal.  Most of the info and links in the box are tangential at best in an article like Bay Area thrash metal.  If someone wanted to come up with a standardized way of linking subgenres (or even an infobox designed for subgenres), I'd be fine with that, but it's just far too bulky and irrelevant to throw template:heavy metal into dozens of articles. Tuf-Kat 16:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I think both are useful for the articles they were meant to be used in.  Template:Heavy metal is useful in the article on heavy metal music, template:Blackmetal is useful in the article on black metal.  Some sort of templatized box might very useful on heavy metal subgenre and other related pages, but we need a box specifically designed for that purpose. Tuf-Kat 16:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On an unrelated note, the genrebox needs someone who knows how to make sections optional.  Samba looks ridiculous... Also, only top-level genres should have a box like this -- others generally don't need it (such as the one I removed awhile ago from Miami bass).  Does anyone agree that only major genres need boxes? (of the current type, anyway, since they mostly won't use many of the fields) Tuf-Kat
I really don't see the downside of putting templates on every page they link to. I've always done that, and am at a loss to see the downside. I personally jump from article to article making edits and researching bands, and find them incredibly useful. That alone would seem to trump the "clutter" issue (the only argument I have discerned, outside of wiki-project guidelines, which I'd be glad to change). Sam Spade 17:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I also took the liberty of posting a request for comment on this. Am I right to say that Sam Spades eoughly believes that Genrebox such as  should be applied to all subgenres? Circeus 19:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just make a smaller box like we did for hip-hop for the individual articles?--Urthogie 21:16, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean a footer? I could have sworn there was one already for that style family. *facepalm* That is the quite obvious answer to the whole issue, and is actually standard for these articles. Circeus 21:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to be of service.--Urthogie 21:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Heavymetal]]