Talk:Airfield Defence Guards

message: I've removed this para as it's uncited and seems to be speculation ("the government hinted"). The only reference I've seen on this, which is at , states that personnel from all parts of the RAAF can join the new No. 4 Squadron RAAF, and makes no reference to the ADG. If a source can be found for this stuff then it belongs in the 4 Sqn article. --Nick Dowling 11:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New RAAF SF unit

message: Trainees are required to run 2.4km (with full pack and weapon) in under 10 minutes, a 10m rope climb, perform 10 chin ups (according to age), swim 1.5km in under 10 minutes and perform 40 sit ups.
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. The current FINA 1500m freestyle world record is 14:34min. - Htra0497 11:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Selection requirements

message: By the end of the Vietnam war, Airfield Defence Guards were some of the most respected airmen in the RAAF and had gained the respect of their rival the Australian Army Infantry.
I felt this had to be removed given the subjective nature of the statement.  I haven't found any references to back this opinion up.  Happy to be proven wrong! Stepat (talk) 16:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV issue

message: I've added a request for citations against the deployments to PNG, the Gulf War and Somalia as I've never seen any evidence of this.  I am aware of all the other listed deployments and will work on finding references, however I'm a little sceptical about these three. Stepat (talk) 18:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Post-Vietnam deployments

message: I have added a self published reference (Walker, T. Graham) to this article as the relevant information contained in it (regarding plans to introduce Staghound armoured cars into the RAAF in the 1950s) is extremely rare .  The actual book is lodged with the National Library of Australia in Canberra and contains information from participants directly involved in the project, along with supporting photographs. Stepat (talk) 04:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-published reference 

message: I have reverted two recent edits, one of which relates to a personal view on individuals' claims to special forces status; the other relates to tasks and roles, and stated that patrolling tasks are only undertaken out to 5km from the perimeter fence of an airfield.  This does not reflect the current content of the RAAF reruitment information used as a reference, nor is it factually correct; while nominally the RAAF may be responsible for ground defence in a patrol and surveillance zone nominally extending to 5km from the perimeter for planning purposes, this is a guide only.  The assigned Area of Operations (AO) varies from operation to operation and ADGs have undertaken patrol tasks well beyond 5km from the 'perimeter fence.' Stepat (talk) 06:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits; July,17 2008 

message: The term mustering is used prominently in the article and I think needs some explanation. I realise it is the description used by the RAAF and I am familiar with military usage of "muster", but "mustering" is unusual and I don't think I have seen it before, in spite of my many years spent reading Australian military history. I gather that the RAAF uses it in the sense in which army have administrative corps. Perhaps a link to muster_(military) would help, even though that is really only a stub. Grant | Talk 16:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mustering" 

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message: Regarding this recent edit, you mentioned that you reverted because you were "unsure that this relates to the project". Can I assume that you took a few seconds to have at look at the Australian crime project and its scope prior to reverting? The project currently covers pages within :Category:Crime in Australia.
So, in terms of coverage here, this page, Airfield Defence Guards, is included in the Template:Law enforcement in Australia, which is within :Category: Law enforcement agencies of Australia, which is within :Category: Law enforcement in Australia, which is within :Category:Australian criminal law, which is within :Category:Crime in Australia, which is within Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian crime.
So, when we think of crime, there are clearly those that perpetrate it and clearly those that work to prevent it, and it is within the latter paradigm that the project's umbrella falls in this case. All of the other entities in Template:Law enforcement in Australia are currently within the crime project, except this one, pending discussion as a result of the recent edit. Thanks. JabberJaw (talk) 03:18, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: G'day, thanks for the response -- ultimately, I'm not an expert in the ADGs, but I personally wouldn't classify their main role as law enforcement. The Air Force Police and Air Force Security musterings are arguably a law enforcement like military police, potentially, but I wouldn't have thought that ADGs were (largely a static defensive infantry force -- although this comparison is also a bit of a stretch in some regards).. That said, now that the airfield defence squadrons have been renamed and reorganised and now include both ADGs and RAAF Security -- they are now security forces squadrons (e.g. No. 3 Security Forces Squadron RAAF), the situation is a bit more complex. I can live with the tag if you still feel it is warranted, but at first glance it seems a bit out of place to me. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 08:39, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to weigh in, I also don't think that the ADGs have any role in crime fighting. They're essentially an infantry combat force. As AR notes, this article doesn't reflect the way the RAAF has reorganised its security forces, where its personnel who do have a police role have been integrated with the ADGs. Nick-D (talk) 10:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello all. No, I agree that their main role isn't law enforcement/crime fighting the same way as the regular police (i.e. a narrow definition of the word "crime"), but it seems they do still have a general "law enforcement" role in Australia as you mention. Anyway, I am not an expert on how accurately this page represents the current state and role of the group. If editors here feel strongly that the Law enforcement in Australia tag is clearly misplaced, and that the group has no such role, then the solution is to simply delete this page from the law enforcement template (although other military agencies of law enforcement such as Australian Defence Force Investigative Service, Joint Military Police Unit (Australia) and Royal Australian Corps of Military Police are still listed there). Thanks. JabberJaw (talk) 23:32, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Australian crime