Talk:Steven Stayner

message: This is not a suitable article for such links - I have deleted them: people who want / need to find such references know what search terms to use without the need to link to them from a biography of child abuse victim.SouthernElectric 12:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: that may be your point of view, but is not Wikipedia policy. Tony 12:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you can put your name to their reinstatement, I'm not suggesting that such works are deleted from WP, just that reference is deleted from this article.
Please cite the relevant Wikipedia policy please.SouthernElectric 13:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I still can't see the rational for including these Wikipedia links, it's a true crime and only incidentally relevant to either literature or films, by all means link to the subject of  Pedophilia so that people can learn about the issues & from were the same links to the literature or films will be advailible. (SouthernElectric 21:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to paedophilia in literature / films 

message: I think it's very important here to keep a neutral point of view. We should remember to write formally, rather than emotively - this might affect whether (or not, as I think) we decide to use Stayner's first name, but not Parnell's.
I've slightly changed "Kenneth Parnell's prison sentence for the abductions of Steven and Timmy was considerably less than the seven years he had kept Steven prisoner.". I think that that's slightly biased in favour of suggesting that Parnell should be given a 'harsh' (for want of a better word) sentence. If someone could replace it with the actual length of the sentence, I would appreciate it.
Many thanks, Drum guy (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm,  that would be why Californian state law was changed afterwards (to allow a longer sentences should similar cases ever go before the courts), the fact that Mr Parnell's sentence was considered correct for the crime he committed... SouthernElectric (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I see now is that 3 1/2 years after this issue was raised, there is still on the face of it NO reason for the statement about the "shortness" of Parnell's sentence to be in there. It is certainly NOT a neutral statememt in itself to make a point that Parnell's sentence was shorter than the time he held Steven, as if this were "unjust". If a popular sentiment held that this was unjust, and spurred the changing of the law, that qualification should be MADE. The statement that DOES follow does not explain this. (And at any rate, the implication is that Parnell's sentence was considered NOT "correct".) 108.1.68.75 (talk) 13:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: *re this edit
Not weasel words really, unless wiki expects lists of witness/involved names (which might then throw up other issues about living persons), the mere fact that Edward Ervin Murphy was offered legal assistance - see page 226 of the often cited book - by his employer (the Curry company in Yosemite) at the time of his arrest suggests that many (un-nameable) people did consider him to be as much a victim of Mr Parnell's crimes as Steven, Timmy and the others. SouthernElectric (talk) 11:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re weasel words 

message: to just redirect the "Timmy White" page here?
Certainly Wikipedia can do better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PyroGamer (talk • contribs) 20:38, August 24, 2008
:Wikipedia doesn't do it. Editors do. Start the page.--Amadscientist (talk) 04:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Timmy White article was deleted and turned into a redirect to this article. Jim Michael (talk) 23:40, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doesn't it seem kind of sick 

message: There is a Barbara mentioned at the end of the information about the kidnapping but she is not mentioned anywhere else, only as "not being convicted" and it points back to citation #4. Who is she? 207.10.103.178 (talk) 17:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed this as well. I thought it might be an error in a previous edit, but don't know how to identify which one and undo it. Jedikaiti (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Barbara? 

message: [2004] "The child Parnell attempted to kidnap and molest was nonexistent." The paragraph was saying that Parnell "was convicted of trying...to persuade his nurse to procure for him a young boy... The nurse...reported this to local police." So I gather that the nurse did not, in fact, procure any boy for him. The sentence seems like an odd way of putting it. If the nurse did not procure anybody, then there is no antecedent to "The child". But saying "the child was nonexistent" is rather "turning the thought backwards". I did not attempt to change it because I know nothing of the relevant facts of the case myself. 108.1.68.75 (talk) 13:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing sentence: "child...was nonexistent" 

message: A section called Steven Stayner Foundation was added by 71.161.62.204, but appeared to have been copied directly from the Steven Stayner Foundation website. I deleted it and will leave a message on the IP user's talk page. Lusanaherandraton (talk) 07:26, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steven Stayner Foundation 

message: A picture exists with a Fair Use rationale in the article at he:סטיבן_סטיינר and is to be found at . I am unsure of the licencing and wonder whether we might also just use it. I am presuming it cannot be ported to commons? Fiddle Faddle 14:34, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr Stayner's picture 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have been thinking about adding the fact that Steven Stayner, at the age of 14, became the youngest survivor of a kidnapping case lasting more than one year or 52 weeks, but I want to gain consensus first. He was even younger than Shawn Hornbeck, who was 15 years, 6 months old in January 2007 when he escaped Michael J. Devlin, who had been holding him captive for four years. There have been a handful of long-term (one year or longer) kidnapping cases in which the survivor was under 25 when the ordeal ended. The following are a list of kidnapping survivors, from youngest to oldest, based on the age when they escaped their captors.
* Steven Stayner (14 years, 10 months, 12 days)
* Shawn Hornbeck (15 years, 5 months, 26 days)
* Natascha Kampusch (18 years, 6 months, 6 days)
* Gina DeJesus (23 years, 2 months, 23 days)
* Tanya Kach (24 years, 5 months, 7 days)
* Amanda Berry (27 years, 0 months, 14 days)
* Jaycee Dugard (29 years, 3 months, 23 days)
* Michelle Knight (32 years, 0 months, 13 days)
173.76.246.128 (talk) 15:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely this is just sensationalism and tabloidism? Fiddle Faddle 16:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youngest kidnapping survivor?