Talk:Paper Trail

message: This is a real album and it has been cited. I've read numerous articles on the rapper and his upcoming cd.
:I believe that this is a real item.  It has not been cited; there are no references in this article.  If you know of a reliable source that definitely confirms the information in this article, that would help it overcome both this and this objection. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

message: T.I. said that "No Matter What" is not an offical single. I don't get why people keep putting it as a single. It's just a leaked track. SE KinG (talk) 01:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is not a leaked track, but rather a promotional single. I suppose that, in itself, could be counted at as the "first single," regardless of the fact that it is not an official single.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tri-Edge (talk • contribs) 21:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: No Matter What

message: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=11312111&MyToken=56250cb4-cbfa-4a79-b7db-3cd988642819
On his myspace it says 9/9.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.154.237.92 (talk) 16:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Paper Trail Pushed Back Alittle More

message: Can someone please post the reference that says that Lil Wayne is on "What's Up, What's Happening" and that Kanye West is on "Sitting on Top of the World"? Other-wise there is no use putting up false hope information. SE KinG (talk) 11:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirmed guests? 

message: Whoever added that track, can you please but up a reference for that information?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SE KinG (talk • contribs) 00:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louis Ray 

message: The page says that the first single was released June 17th, but I can't find it anywhere for download?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.4.138 (talk) 18:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's up, What's Happening 

message: Because the dimensions aren't the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.11.250.4 (talk) 03:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cant be tha cover 

message: I removed several songs from the confirmed tracks section that did not meet our policy for verifiability or WP:RS. Here is a breakdown of the what I have removed:
Title                      	Reason
"Be Free"                  	The only citation for these come from WordPress, a blog host, which therefore fails WP:RS.
"Hustla's Struggle"        	The only citation for these come from WordPress, a blog host, which therefore fails WP:RS.
"Limelight (Intro)"        	The only citation for these come from WordPress, a blog host, which therefore fails WP:RS.
"On My Job"                	The only citation for these come from WordPress, a blog host, which therefore fails WP:RS.
"The Block Still Got Me"   	The only citation for these come from WordPress, a blog host, which therefore fails WP:RS.
"Out in the Cold"          	No citation whatsoever. Fails the basic concept of confirmed in "confirmed tracks".
"What Up, What's Happenin'"	All this link tells me is that there is a song called "What Up" by T.I. and is not on any of his albums (ALBUM: N/A). Now, with this link, to come to the conclusion that a song called "What Up, What's Happenin'" will be on this album is pure original research.
I'm not implying that these songs will not be on the upcoming album, but until they are not confirmed by reliable, verifiable sources, we should not mention them on the article. Thanks, Do U(knome)? yes...|or no 21:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not-so-confirmed tracks 

message: Can someone explain to me why this information was removed?
Album information
On August 5, T.I. confirmed that Rihanna, Justin Timberlake, Usher, Fall Out Boy, & John Legend are set to appear on the album.Jason. (August 5, 2008). T.I. Says Rihanna, Usher And Justin Timberlake Are On Paper Trail. Accessed August 5, 2008. He also stated that two music videos for "Swing Ya Rag" and "What Up, What's Happenin'" are currently being worked on and he also included a behind the scenes look at the "Swing Ya Rag" video.T.I. Shoots Two Videos For Paper Trail Accessed August 5, 2005.
The video for "Whatever You Like" was released on BET's Access Granted on August 6, 2008.
T.I. will also be visiting BET's 106 & Park on August 7 and will give the complete 411 on his new album and premiere his "Whatever You Like" video as the new joint.
Tracks
In an official statement, T.I. announced that he will be releasing the first street/promotional song off Paper Trail on Tuesday, April 29 on Streetcred.com. "I already know the demand is great, the anticipation is very high, and the wait is almost over man," T.I. said. "I promise you something special and I will deliver."  The song was released on StreetCred.com on April 29th as a promotional single then online for sale on May 6, 2008. It is called "No Matter What" with a music video for the song already being finished T.I. Talks Fashion On Swizz Beatz-Produced Song From 'Intricate' And 'Intelligent' New Album VH1.com. Accessed June 08, 2008. and it was released on MTV's FN Premieres on June 27. On July 4, 2008, T.I. added a new song to his MySpace titled "Swing Your Rag".T.I.'s Myspace Another track "What Up What's Happenin'" was also leaked to the internet and is now on his MySpace also."Swing Your Rag" and "What Up" audio. Accessed July 4, 2008. T.I. also collaborated with Fall Out Boy on a track called "Out in the Cold".James Montgomery. (July 14, 2008). Fall Out Boy, T.I. Team Up For Personal Song With 'Nightmare Before Christmas' Sound. MTV News. Accessed July 14, 2008.
SE KinG (talk) 01:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unexplained Removal 

message: Isn't Swing Ya Rag the Second single Whatever you like the first single and No Matter what the Promotional single? Because that is not what they say in their articles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1Sire (talk • contribs) 23:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swing Ya Rag/Whatever U like 

message: it leaked today it features Kanye West, Jay-z and Lil Wayne.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.138.22 (talk) 07:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Swagger Like Us

message: iS going to feature Young Jeezy KanYe's Blog
:Jeezy? That's probably gonna be better then the normal. SE KinG (talk) 03:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Swagger Like Us REMIX

message: A new song, 'You Ain't Ready' was leaked a few days ago, and is produced by The Runners, does anyone know anything about it? I havn't read anything about it being a track from Paper Trail. (DipSetGeezer (talk) 20:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A few days ago? Song was leaked months ago. SE KinG (talk) 20:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Regardless if it was leaked months ago or days ago, if there is no reliable source claiming it is a track to Paper Trail, than it shouldn't be added. DipSetGeezer, please watch your tone as well your your edits. DiverseMentality(Discuss it) 21:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'You Ain't Ready' 

message: Sometimes I get frustrated with wiki editors. I found it amusing browsing through some music pages and seeing things people wanted cited. If you need citing of a song being a remake or using a sample.... why don't you go and listen to both songs... with humans the biggest proof is seeing or hearing something for yourself.. why not try that out? It might clear up a lot of the mysteries of the world.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Empororllid (talk • contribs) 01:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel sorry if a [ citation needed ] frustrates you, but the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 02:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation Needed

message: I think it should be reverted, because as Carter 3 it was proved to be a fake (the tracklisting) on Amazon. Any ideas?
--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 20:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: this is the official tracklisting... the reason Tha Carter 3 tracklisting was wrong is because when it got pushed back, the tracklisting changed... imo this is the official tracklisting and should not be changed unless a source proves that this is incorrect. amazon is about as accurate as it comes 
--Ba11innnn (talk) 20:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

text: The Tracklisting needs to be removed, as Amazon.com is not a reliable source. Anyone could have posted that. —Do U(knome)? yes...or no 21:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Tracklisting

message: It keeps getting vandalized. 
--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 18:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Somebody needs to PROTECT this page

message: 1 line from a song does NOT count as a sample. That means that basically ANY line in any song can be considered a sample, which is incorrect. For example, "Take you wherever you like" is a line in "Whatever You Like", but i have heard that in all sorts of other songs, but thats not counted as a sample. it's NOT A SAMPLE! It's just words being used again!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DipSetGeezer (talk • contribs) 10:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the line "I like my beat down low, and my top lit back." Find that line in another song besides "Top Back" and I'll agree with you. SE KinG (talk) 03:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Back Sample 

message: Like I Do - Produced by Jazze Pha
Live Your Life - Produced by Just Blaze
My Life, Your Entertainment - Produced by Drumma Boy
What Up, What's Haapnin' - Produced by Drumma Boy
Listen to the tracks, in "Like I Do" you can hear Jazze Pha in the beginning, that's his production tag. "Live Your Life" T.I. SAYS "Just we did it again homie." "My Life, Your Entertainment" has the same intro that is on every Drumma Boy songs. Same thing with "What Up, What's Haapnin'".
"I'm Illin'" I really don't care who produces it. So ya'll can keep having an edit war about that. SE KinG (talk) 03:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:V: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. You need to verify the producers. DiverseMentality(Discuss it) 03:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I was about to say the same thing DiverseMentality wrote. Trust me, it really is no fun having to remove every time unreferenced content.—Do U(knome)? yes...or no 04:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Producers... 

message: Someone has deleted some of the song's and messed up the info, What Up, What's Happenin is stated as a producer and not an album single. The change need's to be reverted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.85.6 (talk) 20:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism with Track List

message: Look above at the title above the album art, it say's Paper Trail is not GAY. Can someone please revert that change and tell the user who is vandalising simply NOT TO VANDALISE!!!
The change need's to be reverted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.85.6 (talk) 20:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism with Album Title

message: On the Amazon website from the UK, they have posted a tracklisting.
Track Listings
1. No Matter What
2. Been There Done That
3. What Up What's Haapnin'
4. Swing Your Rag
5. Live Your Life
6. Propane
7. Yeah
8. Collect Call
9. My Life Your Entertainment
10. Beat Down
11. On Top Of The World
12. I'm Illy
13. Bright Lights
14. Out In The Cold
15. Bed Bath & Beyond
16. It's All G
17. 56 Bars
18. Whatever You Like
19. Slide Show 
source: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paper-Trail-TI/dp/B001B56KVG  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.112.37.229 (talk) 06:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible official tracklisting?

message: Why did they take off some of the other songs, such as "Swagger Like Us." There were sources stating it was being released on Paper Trail. Just because Walmart put out a list i don't think it makes it more reliable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.98.221 (talk) 16:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Track Listing???

message: The whole album became available for streaming at this site: http://www.deezer.com/#music/album/216677 The Trillest Dude (talk) 22:56, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Album Streaming

message: 1. "56 Xanax Bars (Intro)" The Runners 
2. "I'm ChIllin'" Danja 
3. "Ready for War" DJ Toomp 
4. "On Top of the Mountain" Kanye West feat. Ludacris & B.O.B. 
5. "Live Your Love" Just Blaze feat. Rihanna
6. "Whatever You Love" Jim Jonsin
7. "No Matter What Happens" Danja
8. "My Life, Your School" Drumma Boy feat. Usher
9. "Porn Star Mike" Jazze Pha 
10. "Swing Ya Swag" Swizz Beatz feat. Swizz Beatz
11. "What Up, What's Happenin'" Drumma Boy
12. "Every Chance I Get" Mannie Fresh 
13. "Swagger Like Us" Kanye West feat. Jay-Z, Kanye West & Lil Wayne
14. "Slide Show" Kanye West feat. John Legend 
15. "You Ain't Missing Nothing" DJ Toomp 
16. "Dead and Gone" Timbaland feat. Justin Timberlake
BONUS TRACK: Collect Call" feat. Mitchelle'l (Prod. by Nard & B)
BONUS TRACK: I Know You Miss Me(prod. by Two Band Geeks)
http://n1tifanineurope.blogspot.com/2008/09/paper-trail-covers.html
this website has it itll be up in 30 min  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.152.16.4 (talk) 23:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: all i can say is i told you guys that the tracklisting was real... smh
WOW....Tha Carter III sucks compared to this  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.148.144 (talk) 01:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tracklist and Album Leaking

message: Check it.
--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 10:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:V: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. And per WP:RS, YouTube is not a reliable source. DiverseMentality(Discuss it) 00:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Porn Star Samples Shoulder Lean by Young Dro

message: # No Matter What
# Whatever You Like
# Live Your Life
Swing Ya Rag, What Up, Ready for Whatever were all promotional singles.
--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 19:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The singles are all going to have music videos. Therefore it's a noteable single. SE KinG (talk) 03:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Not necessarily. If a song charts on a music chart, as in Billboard, it it notable per WP:NM. DiverseMentality(Discuss it) 03:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  All the Singles 

message: The official version of the song that is available on iTunes only is produced by Two Band Geeks for Grand Hustle. The version by The Runners is the one that appears on the Grand Hustle mixtape.
If you download the song from iTunes it has a "Band Geeks" drop on it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billaywoo (talk • contribs) 00:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Already--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 03:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credit for "I Know You Missed Me" bonus track is incorrect 

message: Does the cover (Image:T.I. Paper Trial Final Cover.jpg) not load for anyone else? It loads fine in the article but in the bigger version it wont show up at all. Matty (talk) 22:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't load for me either, and it hasn't for a while. Not sure why that is, though. DiverseMentality(Boo!) 02:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album cover 

message: Users continually add the audio samples for "No Matter What" and "Whatever You Like" into this article. Is it really appropriate to have both here rather than just on the articles of the songs? DiverseMentality(Boo!) 18:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio samples 

message: The first sentence reads, "On November 13, 2007, in an official statement about the charges against him, T.I. also announced that he had been working on a new album, to be entitled Paper Trail."  OK, but then there is no explanation to what "the charges" are/were.  There is no mention of "the charges" earlier in the article either.  Can't assume that the casual reader is going to just know this information or be up-to-date on T.I.'s personal issues.  This needs to be expanded or removed. - eo (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I'll add more information about the charges. DiverseMentality(Boo!) 17:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Background section

message: XXL gave Paper Trail an XL. I think that should be noted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.224.121.2 (talk) 15:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proffesional Review 

message: I'm thinking this is the next single. I heard it today on B96 (Chicago radio station) on my way to work. I'm not saying "hearing it" is a relable source, but I'm just gonna throw out the idea. Scroll down to #20 on Top 20 Countdown. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 06:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We'll have to wait and see if it's a confirmed single. For now, we'll have to leave its possibility of being a single out of the article. DiverseMentality 09:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The song has just been confirmed by Rob Knox, one of the producers, as the next single. I have added the information into the article with a reference. He also mentions a re-release of the album so I added that too. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 22:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

text: MTV keeps confirming a new project. However they fail to say it's a re-release as well. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 22:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead and Gone 

message: I've reverted the undiscussed change to the track listing table for a few reasons. First off, as I mentioned, it was completely undiscussed. Second, there was no reason to change it; the table was fine as it was and the change removed the inline citations of the samples used in the songs. Third, the 'Additional credits' section seemed completely redundant; there's already a 'Personnel' section where this is listed. If you disagree with my revert, please discuss it here first before making changes. Thank you. DiverseMentality 01:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track listing table 

message: The link to Pitchfork Media is gone. TechOutsider (talk) 00:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. DiverseMentality 06:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Ext. Link 

message: Is it really necessary to include the sales numbers and position on the charts for the first eight weeks? StanHater (talk) 00:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales for every week? 

message: The EP information clearly states that it was released in the U.K. (from the article's current edit).  That means the release should have its own page.  Sure, the project originally was MEANT to be an expansion project, which would have led to its being included on this page for sure, but it was a separate release in August 2009 in the U.K.
So...why in blazes is it merged here?  If it never came out in the U.K., it makes sense, but if it did, give it back its own page already!  CycloneGU (talk) 01:02, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uh...What?  (Re: Case Closed EP) 

message: This article was listed at WP:GAN but when I came here, there does not appear to be any nomination. I'm worried it's a timing issue. If it is, please let me know. Thanks. -- S Masters (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA nomination 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Paper Trail. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20081205100512/http://blogs.usatoday.com:80/listenup/2008/09/this-weeks-re-4.html to http://blogs.usatoday.com/listenup/2008/09/this-weeks-re-4.html#more
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 07:43, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified