Talk:Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

message: Why does Chocolate factory redirect here, and not the R. Kelly album which is ACTUALLY called "Chocolate Factory"? 90.198.66.113 (talk) 13:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect

message: If the book wasn't revised until 1973, who authorized the screenplay in 1970-71 that portrays the Oompa Loompas as round, colorful fantasy creatures?  I think the article seems to contradict itself by not clarifying.  Reading the article at face value, I would have assumed the movie adaptation in 1971 was true to the original text of the book since the book wasn't revised until 1973.
I think that an encyclopedia article on this book should definitely mention the fact that it had portions re-written and re-illustrated for the 1973 edition that changed the Oompa Loompas from African pygmies to figures with "rosy white skin" from Loompaland.
Article with before/after illustrations under movie fact #11
Paper written on the Oompa Loompa change for a Childrens Literature class
Twelve letters discussing the book, including one from Roald Dahl
:I agree, I actually came to the page from another article looking for just that information!--Fluxaviator 09:31, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Racism or foreign aid? I think Dahl was indicating the latter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.208.51 (talk) 15:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Why is it racist? Because it mentions black pigmies that work in a factory? Why is that racist? They're not slaves or anything....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.158.228 (talk) 19:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's racist because of the way it portrays the relative roles of different races as masters (all white) and subservients (all black). And Wonka presumably runs the factory and "employs" them (I guess they live and work on-site, 24/7) because it's profitable for him to. He gains from their work. Very generous "aid" indeed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.164.105 (talk) 11:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ....and in return they are given housing and food. They can leave if they want, and according to the book and films, even have health care. I would say that's pretty damn generous employment.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 00:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Book revision - Oompa Loompa ethnicity change

message: Where is the list of products mentioned as manufactured by Willy Wonka cross-referenced by book and movies? My gods, this is Wikipedia, people, there needs to be a list article for every little thing. —Ashley Y 08:25, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
Also, Wonka Products were around way before the 2005 film.  This article suggests that Wonka was brought about afterwards. In fact, wasn't the original film made to market this? Wesker256 (talk) 19:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wonka products?

message: I noticed that RedLightGreen has about 50 different editions of the book listed, most with ISBNs. Should these all be listed in the ISBN section? I added the ISBN for the edition I own. 203.45.114.193 12:28, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ISBN Numbers 

message: The articles on Augustus Gloop, Violet Beauregarde, etc., attempt to identify the four bad children with the seven deadly sins.  I think this is silly.  For one thing, there are four of them, not seven.  For another, the identification doesn't always work.  It's trivial to identify Augustus with gluttony and Veruca with greed, but even the author of these sections of the articles isn't sure what to do with Violet.  
I think these sections, which are not factual, but represent the literary opinions of the author, should be removed. -- Dominus 03:58, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOR No Original Research.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.80.238 (talk) 17:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven Deadly Sins 

message: Please note, the article Differences between book and film versions of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is being considered for deletion.  Any deletion or merging resulting from that, may effect this article.  You may wish to visit the AFD page to have input.  --rob 18:30, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for Deletion vote on table of differences 

message: Currently there are 3 pages with the names Charlie and the Chocolate Factory:
1. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
2. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (film)
3. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (video game) - I am working on this one at the moment, but it seems to have a lot of potential...
- and lets not mention Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, which a lot of people get confused with... but this wouldn't be on the disambiguation page anyway, would it?
So, what do you think? should there be a disambiguation page for the 3 "charlies" or should it be left as it is? your suggestions please! :) --Rachel Cakes 09:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation Page needed? 

message: I'm pretty sure there is a CatCF book written as a play -- a stage play.  Does anyone know where I can find out more about this? --QQQ (11-17-05)
There is a play, a musical called Willy Wonka Junior.  It has mainly the same songs as the film, but some scenes are changed, ie the last one, and all of the kids have a song instead of just Veruca.  I know, 'cause I'm doing it, lol. :P 75.49.81.148 (talk) 04:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Play 

message: Roald Dahl never 'worked' for Cadbury, he simply took part in market research. The article implies that he worked for Cadbury aged 13, and was amazed by the machinery, when in fact, according to the article cited, he just imagined this, as opposed to experiencing it first hand.
: I, on the other hand did, somewhat later than the period the author talks about, in the 1980s, as a dealer in the Group Treasury, initially handling the GBP cashflow before finishing as Chief Dealer. I therefore had a close relationship with the Cadbury brothers, which actually started some years earlier.
: The important thing to remember in tbeir dealings with the Rowntree Family is that both were long-established Quakers, from the early days of the movement. They would never in a million years act aggressively: I, though most definitely Christian, was of the more muscular variety, having turned an unsolicited job offer from the SAS down in favour of them. That meant that I was the ideal shield against aggressive Americans in the Cola Wars. When one ended in jail thanks to the speed of my riposte, they backed off and backed down. Don't co fuse the two, please.
: One testimony of that period could come from the composer John Rutter, whose fathee freelanced on the research side.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.231.225 (talk) 11:44, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working for Cadbury 

message: Thought you guys might care about the Snozzwangers getting deleted mabey.
131.7.52.17 21:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete the little monsters 

message: In light of this "lost chapter" does anyone think perhaps Mike was added in more recently than the original version? He seems quite anachronistic... Back in the 60s there was barely any TV to watch at all, just like one cowboy show and that was all... and while a lot of people tune in obsessively at that one time period every day, that was it. Broadcast was over for the day, if I remember my history correctly. 
I don't think they even abbreviated it "T.V." at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong and that was more indicative of the 50s? Either way it always struck me as odd that the kids' vices are so unbalanced. Being spoiled and gluttonous are surely several orders of magnitude worse than habitually chewing gum and enjoying Howdy Doody. Of course, in the end, the thing that does them in is all the same thing.. being way too uncareful and blundering into an easily-avoidable death trap. I wonder what Dahl would have to say about the warning labels they put on things these days? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.208.51 (talk) 15:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mike Teevee 

message: I noticed statements in this article and those on each of the children, linking them to the seven deadly sins. This reads like someone random person's speculation (especially in the use of words like "seems" and "appears"). These observations will need to be sourced reliably, or removed. WP:NOT for rubbishy fan-theory speculation.--Drat (Talk) 06:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I said much the same thing in 2005, but the comments were accidentally deleted.  I have restored them above.  -- Dominus (talk) 09:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven deadly sins 

message: Have done a small re-structure, entering the sub-title "synopsis". Previously this section flowed on as part of the introduction which wasn't really appropriate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.164.105 (talk) 11:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis 

message: As I was looking through my Willy Wonka Junior script, I noticed that there was nothing on Wikipedia about the original drafts of the book.  The play isn't that famous, so there isn't an article on it.  PLEASE DON'T DELETE IT, it has some backround on the original idea for the novel that isn't anywhere here on wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.49.81.148 (talk) 04:47, 14 March 2008 75.32.107.110 (talk) 23:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Charlie's Chocolate Boy" 

message: I modified a sentence that implied the 2005 remake was more faithful to the book than the earlier film.  This seemed POV, and had no citation or reference to back it up.  If it can be proved there is consensus for the statement, then it should be put back in but as far as I have been able to determine (from film review sites) neither film is considered to be completely faithful to the written work (or appreciably "more" faithful than the other). 
64.172.226.100 (talk) 18:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Okay, I was on IMDB, and I looked up the character "Willy Wonka" and found there was some film from 1930 called, "Kongerevyen 1930."  WHAT IS THIS???  It sayed the characters were the same as in the books and movies, but isn't that impossible because the book was written in 1964?  It's some Danish film.  WHAT IS THIS??? 75.39.216.100 (talk) 19:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's Kongerevyen 1930??? 

message: Reckon that it should be in past tense rather than present tense; this is novel... --125.24.91.248 (talk) 04:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis part 

message: "...regarding the original portrayal of the Oompa-Loompas as black pygmies, although Dahl did revise this later."
What's the citation for this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.146.15.140 (talk) 22:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-racist revision? When? 

message: I had a script to Willy Wonka with some added information about the book, but someone keeps deleting it.  Who is doing it?  I can verify it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.19.45.248 (talk) 08:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added information 

message: I've run across two - though there are likely more - articles dedicated to the characters (Violet Beauregarde, Veruca Salt).  These articles aren't sourced, so there's no indication that they are individually noteworthy.  I suggest we condense each of the articles into their key points and merge them with this one.  Thoughts?  Rklawton (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw the redirect but didn't see any of the information in the Violet Beauregarde article merged into this article. Perhaps I missed something? I'm reverting the redirect. The individual character articles have useful information, I think they merit their own pages. Perhaps I'm mistaken, can other editors chime in? 12.231.43.220 (talk) 02:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm changing your revert back.  The merge tag has been up for weeks without objection. Basically the article contained zero sourced information, so there's nothing to merge.  If you'd like to add information to this article, help yourself, but the other article has no business existing in Wikipedia.  Rklawton (talk) 02:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

text: It's just an oversight.  Rklawton (talk) 20:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

text: It means that the article in question should have been merged with this one at the same time the other articles were merged.  Rklawton (talk) 03:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Mr. Bucket, Charlie's father redirects to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but "Mr. Bucket" per the article (not to be confused with Mr. Bucket) is Charlie's grandfather, is he not? In the Synopsis it says, "One evening, the headline of Mr. Bucket's evening paper states that Wonka is holding a worldwide contest...." The only "Mr. Bucket" introduced up to this point is either Grandpa Joe or Grandpa George. Why then is the direct from Charlie's father and not from Charlie's grandfather?—Biosketch (talk) 14:13, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Mr. Bucket? 

message: Good day all, i'm a passer-by not accustomed to Wikipedia's rules and regulations.
I've possibly noticed a small error or perhaps a bit of clumsy phrasing, but for fear of damaging the article i have refrained from editing the page.
On this page, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, under the paragraph
"Differences between the book and the movies", in the "1971 film" section, the sixth noted difference reads
"•	There is no chain connecting the gates together. Plus the gates are not iron, they are metal."
This statement is in a way incorrect, for iron is a metal.
I don't have the orgininal book, nor a copy of the 1971 movie adaptation handy i'm afraid, so i cannot tell if this is a direct quote for instance, or if the movie specifically states they are made from "metal" or "a metal"
If the latter is the case i would suggest something along the lines of
"•	There is no chain connecting the gates together. The gates are no longer specified to be iron, but rather an undisclosed metal."
Au revoir!
77.166.200.185 (talk) 21:20, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noticed a  possible small error or oversight, do not know how to resolve. 

message: Under Plot
"One day, Charlie sees a fifty-pence coin (dollar bill in the US version) buried in the snow"
Fifty pence coins did not exist in 1964 when this book was published - UK decimal coinage introduced in 1971, before that the UK used LSD aka Pounds Shillings & Pence, my guess is probably a ten shilling note was written by Dahl.
FYI UK coins system called LSD with Lira and denari (Roman currency) and shillings from German currency - 12d = 1s and 240d = £1 (spot the L in the UK pound sign). 10s (10 shillings converted to 50p in 1971 decimalisation programme.
Either way the value on the wiki page must be wrong and need checking and changing
Ianmurray5 (talk) 19:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Google Books suggests the version brought into "The Puffin twentieth-century collection of stories" uses a half-crown, which was only worth a quarter of the coin in the revised version - a 50p would be a lot to find lying around in the early years of decimalisation. Billwilson5060 (talk) 20:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

text: I no longer have a copy of the book to hand but my recollection is that Charlie found a two-shilling coin.  If nothing else, five bob for a bar of chocolate? Mr Larrington (talk) 21:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noticed another error or oversight 

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message: While the factory is indeed notable, this article is unsourced cruft without any rationale for its notability outside the franchise. Blake Gripling (talk) 08:19, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Wonka's Chocolate Factory]] 

message: According to this cited in the article, the UK version wasn't published until 1967, 3 years after the US version (not in the same year as currently written in the article). DHN (talk) 18:36, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK publishing date 

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message: The reference to a Radio Four adaptation is marked citation needed. I know it happened, because I was in it, but for all these years I haven't been able to find any references to it or find a recording. I wish I could give a better citation, but I did not imagine three days in the BBC Manchester Recording Studies!
Jgharston (talk) 18:18, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that the Radio Times archive project has caught up with my memory, and is referenced by the article. Hurray! Jgharston (talk) 18:58, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio Four play 

message: Should this article point out that Charlie's father worked as a toothpaste cap screwer? Vorbee (talk) 17:52, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Toothpaste cap screwer

message: So I stumped on a play called Willy Wonka Jr on YouTube AND IT IS VERY HORRIBLE. WHY DID THEY MAKE A SONG ABOUT THE GUM AND THE BLUEBERRY TRANSFORMATION WHY DOES WILLY WONKA SING PURE IMAGINATION TWICE I HATE THAT PLAY ITS HORRIBLE VIOLET IS SO TEXAS I HATE HER ACCENT GIVE HER ANOTHER STEREOTYPE BRITISH FOR EXAMPLE AGUSTUS HAVING A COLD IS USED SO MUCH AND WHY DO THE KIDS SING OOMPA LOOMPA ITS LIKE A CULT I HATE THIS PLAY 2600:4040:7271:5400:315F:C9EF:F376:D5FF (talk) 03:08, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is a cringey willy Wonka play 

message: In the synopsis, the part of Charlie stealing (and then returning) the everlasting gobstopper - so passing the test, is missed out. This is a shame, as it is an important part of the tale as well as Dahl's usual dark plot twist.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.151.237.223 (talk) 01:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Everlasting Gobstopper