Talk:Moebius syndrome

message: Hi,
I have Moebius Syndrome, and I can tell you that "Moebius" is much more common than "Möbius." For example, the leading Moebius Syndrome advocacy organization is the Moebius Syndrome Foundation, and on Twitter,  #MoebiusSyndrome] is much more active than. It's also customary to capitalize the 's' in 'Syndrome.'
BenDMyers (talk) 01:38, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This needs to be corrected. Moebius is the proper spelling 76.30.133.9 (talk) 22:41, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested page name change 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: MOVED.  Hadal (talk) 14:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Möbius syndrome →  – For the sake of consistency with all other spellings in the English language, the spelling of Moebius with an 'e' and 'o' instead of 'ö' should be used.
Example: It should be "Moebius syndrome" 
- not "Möbius" (this is a legitimate spelling but it is not common in the English language)
- not "Möebius" 
- not "Mobius"
Here are a few citations from respected sources
Cleveland Clinic https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/6064-moebius-syndrome
National Institute of Health (US) https://www.ninds.nih.gov/health-information/disorders/moebius-syndrome
Medline https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/moebius-syndrome/  Moebiusdad (talk) 00:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Yes, Moebius syndrome is spelled the same in America, England and Australia Moebiusdad (talk) 00:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm leaning moving, but I'll think about it a bit more. This process takes around seven days. Regards—Alalch E. 01:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

text: I dunno, just repeatedly saying it's the most common spelling with the only evidence being a few places that do use that spelling isn't very persuasive. I think my analysis at the end of the previous section is more relevant, and shows that Moebius is probably slightly more common than Möbius, but not by a large margin. I'm leaning slightly towards moving, but I could easily be convinced otherwise. CodeTalker (talk) 01:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As you mentioned earlier, Google search results for “Moebius syndrome” far exceed those for “Möbius syndrome”. I listed only a sample of sources, but I’ve been reading a lot of medical literature on the subject and I have never seen it spelled as Mobius. I’ve also previously cited the two American nonprofits on this subject “moebius syndrome foundation” and “many faces of moebius” who use the moebius spelling Moebiusdad (talk) 02:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Google search result counts are not an acceptable proxy. Nine of the eighteen sources already cited in the article - most scientific research papers - spell it Mobius. Please review them for yourself. There is clearly no consensus - either in the sources themselves or here on WP, for the "correct" spelling. As I suggested, all that is needed is a proper redirect of Moebius to this article. If there is insistence that this page be changed to Moebius, then I would "insist" that a redirect from Mobius point to the new name. Seeing as the condition gets its name from Paul Julius Möbius, it seems fanciful to suggest that any other spelling is "correct".  cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 02:55, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually ten of the 18 sources use Möbius. Ref #11 doesn't have the name in its title but uses the Möbius spelling in the body of the page.Perhaps it's marginally relevant that Möbius is the usual spelling for the Möbius strip, which is probably the most well-known use of that surname in English. We do have redirects for both Mobius strip, which is sometimes used, and Moebius strip, which is very uncommon. CodeTalker (talk) 03:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that, I was just being lazy about the umlaut! :)  cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 03:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

text: “ Möbius” being used for Möbius  strip is appropriate bc that is how it is known and I would not advocate for that to be changed. But in English speaking countries, Moebius syndrome is almost always spelled with an e and no umlaut and rarely spelled with the umlaut. This is a rare enough disease and for the sake of educating people properly, the common name should be used. Moebiusdad (talk) 04:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

text: So you are saying that half of the 18 listed references spell it one way, but we could easily increase the sample size and add more references that spell it Moebius if that would convince you. As mentioned previously, the two nonprofits in America that support people with this condition spell it Moebius. I’ve been doing a lot of research on this syndrome the past two months and honestly the only place I’ve read it as Mobius is on Wikipedia. Seeing as how the umlaut isn’t even really in the English language, I’m not sure why there is so much debate against using the moebius spelling. Moebiusdad (talk) 04:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, assume good faith. Nowhere have I said that it should not be renamed. I have provided information that is different from yours. I think the fact that it's named after Paul Julius Möbius is an important data point. Also, the lack of the umlaut in english is also an important data point, as you brought up. I do not object to the renaming, as I stated further up. I think it is crucial however that if this page is renamed, appropriate redirects are put in place for the variations on the name.  cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 05:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 20 March 2023