Talk:Field artillery in the American Civil War

message: Confederate artillery had what they called 3-inch rifles which were rifled 6-pounders and were not 3-inch ordnance rifles. These rifles were manufactured from the very beginning and were used into 1865 yet no one seems to list them. Also, early on they manufactured 6-pounder Parrotts but they got away from them because they burst very often. Rjr1960 (talk) 08:09, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Confederate 3-inch rifle, a.k.a rifled 6-pounder

message: I deleted a sentence regarding ranges from the Whitworth paragraph. The quotation that is there now about accuracy is immediately followed by a sentence that discusses that accuracy. Interposing additional range information between those two sentences makes the following accuracy sentence inappropriate. The range at 5° is already covered in the table, so if you think it is important to discuss the range at 35°, you need to find a different place in the paragraph to add it.
I also adjusted the footnote to conform to the style that I use in my other American Civil War articles -- list the book in the References section and provide a brief page number citation as the footnote. In this style, the Notes section needs to follow the References to make sense. Hal Jespersen 14:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  edit of October 17 

message: Where did these ranges come from? I was always told that the 12 pd Nap was a 1400 yd gun and had a lower muzzle velocity than the rifled guns. Hal Baker  16:14, 21 Apr 2009 (EDT)
:If you are referring to the table "Field artillery weapons characteristics," its source is footnoted. If you have alternative data from secondary sources, we can make adjustments with the proper citations. Hal Jespersen (talk) 22:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ranges?

message: per this afd, please merge this into the article  —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Placebo Effect (talk • contribs) 01:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge per AFD

message: The section about Chain Shot should be removed entirely.  Chain shot was never standard issue for field artillery, used against ships, and no documentation I can cite reference its use during the ACW by any field units.--Caswain01 (talk) 03:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chain Shot 

message: The Double-barreled cannon link was added to See also and I think this is the appropriate place for it. This article on field artillery was meant to be a catalogue of widely used FA pieces and related topics. Since the double-barreled cannon was a curiosity never deployed to the field, it doesn't belong in the main text. Hal Jespersen (talk) 22:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double-barreled cannon 

message: The most common field arty type early in the war isn't even listed in the table, the 6 pounder gun.  This was the most common piece at the start of the war.  These were in batteries of four 6 pounders and two 12 pound howitzers typically.  The presence of this weapon was particularly common in the western and trans-Mississippi theaters where few of the newer types were available.  Early conversions of 6 pounders to James rifles were numerous before being displaced by iron rifled pieces.  Napoleons and Parrott/Ordnance rifles dominated later in the war as production of them ramped up.  Whitworths were rare, although prominent where used.  
Another lesser known but more frequently used piece was the 12 pounder mountain howitzer which was extremely portable, both as pack or on a prairie carriage.  It's primary usage was in rugged terrain with few roads. Red Harvest (talk) 23:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The table attempts to list the most important, widely used pieces, but you are welcome to improve it with info from reliable sources. Hal Jespersen (talk) 03:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the 6-pounder information to the table (from same source.)  I'm debating adding the 12-pounder mountain howitzer...only obstacle is the opening paragraph of the article that excludes them, despite wartime production of several hundred for the USA and a few dozen by the CSA.  They saw use in West Virginia, at Chickamauga, in Missouri and Arkansas as well as versus native Americans during the ACW (and afterward.)  I came across a long treatise about them on a website years ago--had quite a few references and many examples of their use in battle.  Takes some interpretation and sleuthing to figure out when it was a mountain howitzer specifically since they were typically used as field pieces in smaller engagements in the West where mobility was paramount, and there were several other 12-pounders, plus other very small bore guns used for some of the same missions.  There were prairie carriages and limbers made for this piece as well.  (The wiki article on "mountain guns" is really just a stub.) Red Harvest (talk) 06:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of field artillery misleading 

message: This line in the section about Parrott rifles is problematic:  "The 20-pounder was the largest field gun used during the war, with the barrel alone weighing over 1,800 pounds (800 kg)."  There are a couple of problems with the statement, but not a clear solution since it exposes a can of worms in definitions:
*The CSA used two 30-pounder Parrotts (ca. 4200 lbs) of Tredegar manufacture in the field on Marye's Heights at the battle of Fredricksburg.  I'm not sure whether a field or seige carriage was used (perhaps the key to the definition?)  Both pieces were heavily used in the battle and both burst as a result of rapid firing/overheating.
*4.5 inch Ordnance rifles (3450 lbs) were taken with field armies...but these were on siege carriages and typically travelled with the siege train. 
*While used as a field piece (on the heavy field carriage) the mass of the 20-pounder required an 8-horse team.  Hazlett doesn't devote direct coverage to 20-pounder Parrotts as field artillery, but has a table showing them as such in the 1861 list of field artillery.
*ACW siege carriages were not so bulky as to preclude limited field use though they did call for 8-10 horse teams depending on total weight.
*The official standard "12-pounder gun" was little used because of its heft and size compared to the equally effective Napoleon.  It required an 8 horse team vs. 6 for standard field guns.
*Regulation 32-pounder howitzers were heavier (1890 lbs) and were designed to be mounted on the heavy 12-pounder field carriage (also used by the 20 pounder Parrott.) Per Hazlett These saw effective field combat service in this configuration during the siege or Richmond in 1864--granted it was within a redoubt...as were many other field pieces. 
In summary the problem I see is with the stark absoluteness of the statement about the 20-pounder.  It probably needs some qualifiers.  The statement appears both true in a practical sense (they were employed rather frequently with operating field armies in the East and had just enough mobility that they could be maneuvered during battle), yet false in the absolute sense because of documented exceptions as well as interchange between siege, field, and reserve artillery service in field armies. Red Harvest (talk) 15:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest "Field Gun" used? 

message: There appear to be enough primary and secondary sources employing this weapon as field artillery to support adding a paragraph about it to the field artillery article.  It was a standard U.S. ordnance at the time and had both a pack portable carriage and a prairie carriage with limber.  Hazlett notes its versatily.  Numbers produced during the war cover over 200 registry numbers in Hazlett (p. 136 and App. 15A, 15B.)  It's use seems to have been both as an infantry/cav gun (e.g. detailed to an infantry or cav company for close support) as well as for more standard field artillery.  That means changing the lead sentence which specifically excludes the such a type at the moment.  Considering the numbers produced during the war and continued post-ACW uses in the Indian Wars the piece appears to fall in the non-trivial category.  One of the reasons for such an addition is to give more balance to theaters other than the main show in the East.  (Note that I'm not supportive of adding more obscure, less standardized types like the diminutive Woodruffs or mountain rifles.  The more conventionally sized & employed field pieces like the Wiards probably don't warrant a section in the article because of their more limited numbers--around 60 per Hazlett.) Red Harvest (talk) 22:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding the 12-pounder mountain howitzer 

message: This article could bear at least some specification of the explosive(s) used in the explosive shells - at least in the "Shells" section under "Ammunition", if not also footnoted in the article's chart in the opening section (under "Weapons"). I understand that TNT wasn't invented until 1869 and therefore couldn't have been used in the U.S. Civil War; so was gunpowder/blackpowder all there was? Did the armies and navies use the same mix? The article needs at least a minimal addressing of these questions regardless of their answers. Epischedda (talk) 13:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explosives used in shells? 

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message: I recommend removing this section. It seems to just be an exhaustive list of Civil War Battles where Artillery was used. There is no criteria for why a particular battle is pertinent to the article.  Aleutian06 (talk) 09:17, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battles  

message: I recommend removing this section. Is seems to just be a very short list of the names of a few Artillery Battalion or Batteries. There is no criteria for why this very short list is included.   Aleutian06 (talk) 09:22, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  	Civil War artillery organizations 

message: What is the criteria for inclusion? Some of these men never served with the field Artillery during the American Civil War. Is the intent to list every battery commander? Battalion Commander? Chief of Artillery?  Aleutian06 (talk) 09:28, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil War artillerists 

message: The following uncited sentence was removed from the James rifle section. I believe it is true, but I cannot easily locate a source. 
*James rifles disappeared from the Army of the Potomac early on, but they were heavily used in the Western armies through 1863 and some batteries still had them during the Atlanta Campaign.Djmaschek (talk) 19:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncited sentence

message: Use of the term "crew" is improper here. Crew is a naval term to describe the men designated as those operating cannon on a war ship or cannon crew. Detachment is the American Civi War field artillery term for the men of the (one gun) detachment. Rjr1960 (talk) 12:38, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term "crew"