Talk:History of Plaid Cymru

message: I've just spent a few hours copyediting and reformatting the article. There's quite a lot still to be done, but I haven't any more time at the moment. If anyone else wants to do some too, here are a few points that I've been applying:
#As stated by the peer reviewer, references should come after the sentence punctuation - i.e. don't put the reference between the bulk of the sentence and the full stop.
#There's a fair bit of American English crept into the article (Princess Di being killed in "an auto accident", American spellings and standard punctuation (putting the closing full stop inside quoted text, for example)). As this article is on a British subject, per WP:ENGVAR policy we should be using British English. See American and British English differences if necessary.
#I've made the reference list 2-column to save some space. Oh, and can we please stop using all-numeric dates in extraction dates in references - in the example below it's not at all clear whether the reference was extracted on 11th January or 1st November 2007.
#I've made a start on using common links to references. That is, if the same reference is used several times in the article, don't duplicate it. e.g. if we have the reference: Q&A: 'Garbagegate' Thursday, 14 February, 2002 extracted 11-01-07 several times in the article, then in one occurrence put:Q&A: 'Garbagegate' Thursday, 14 February, 2002 extracted 11-01-07 (the name can be anything as long as it's unique), then for all other places where that link is needed simply put   Instead of giving each reference a separate number and entry in the reflist, you will get a single reference number with the suffixes a,b,c... appearing in the reflist. I've reduced the size of the article by over 3000 bytes today simply by using this technique.
#If we ever want to put this article forward for GA or FA, then any spaces between the ends of sentences and their associated references will have to be removed.
By the way, all the links in the "Bards under the beds" section all merely link to the front page of the South Wales Police website. i'm not sure if it's possible to link to a more direct URL within the site, or if these links should simply be removed, but they're not very useful as they stand. -- Arwel (talk) 16:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've just finished reformatting to my satisfaction. There may still be the odd occasion of a full stop or comma included within a quotation mark, but I think I've caught nearly all of them. Could someone look at reference 22 "Canadine op cit" which doesn't appear to be previously cited?! Regards, -- Arwel (talk) 21:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: We've been through this elsewhere.
Source 1 - Burke's peerage online - so far as I know, does not use the phrase 'dynastic successors'
Source 2 - can be searched here  - can't find any mention of Anwyl
Source 3 - "Lewis, Hurbert; The Ancient Laws of Wales, 1889. Chapter VIII: Royal Succession; Rules to Marriage; Alienation pgs 192–200. According to Hurbert Lewis, though not explicitly codified as such by Hywel Dda, the edling, or Heir apparent, was by convention and custom the eldest son of the prince and entitled to inheirit the position and title as "head of the family" from the father. Effectively primogeniture with local variations. However, all sons were provided for out of the lands of the father and in certin circumstances so too were daughters. Additionally, sons could claim materinal patromony through their mother in certin circumstances." this is apparently used to prove something, which is classic original research. No suggestion it specificlly makes this claim.
Source 4- A History of Wales from the Earliest Times to the Edwardian Conquest By John Edward Lloyd which can be searched http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uuZpGDGcOWAC&pg=PA272&dq=A+History+of+Wales;+From+the+Norman+Invasion+to+the+Edwardian+Conquest,&hl=en&ei=N8m5TPjiKseo4AbirLnXDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=snippet&q=Anwyl&f=false[ here], again I can find no mention of Anwyl family. 
I'm reverting this claim for two reasons, one is it appears to be OR, the second and equally valid one is that there is no specific connection made to Plaid Cymru, the subject of this article. Dougweller (talk) 16:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I dispute. Burke's Peerage links the direct familial decendents of Owain Gwynedd living today. This is important in the discussion of a restored monarchy in Wales. Source 2 A History of Wales gives more info on the Aberffraw family, their history for Wales, and buttresses Owain Gwynedd and decendents. Source 3 details the laws of succession before the Edwardian Conquest of Wales. ♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 16:07, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:NORN#Editor arguing that he can use a book describing Welsh law to make a claim for dynastic succession Dougweller (talk) 18:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
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