Talk:Mediterranean Lingua Franca

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose per WP:PRECISION which recommends "adding a parenthetical (bracketed) disambiguator to the page name: for instance when both spellings are often or easily confused."  :Lingua Franca and :lingua franca differ by only one letter case.  Therefore so :Lingua Franca should be moved to Lingua Franca (magazine) so the name can be redirected to :lingua franca. —  AjaxSmack  18:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Hello, I am an Italian mothertongue from the Venetian countryside
I can say that Lingua Franca, in Italian means "Free Language", and NOT Frankish language. Its etymology comes from the latin francus, a "freed slave", that in Italian is a schiavo affrancato.
This is not the only example: for instance, in Italian words such as Zona Franca and Porto franco designate Duty-Free Zones.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.20.62.210 (talk) 12:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello, Lingua Franca means "free language" 

message: John Reed in "The war in Eastern Europe" writes that in Thessaloniki the different communities spoke each other in Italian. Likely, he mistook Lingua Franca for Italian. In fact in the Levant Lingua Franca was the international language. So, I think that Lingua Franca has been used until Balcanic wars and First World War created national states which forbade and avoided Lingua Franca. So, I think the true date of extinction should be about 1913. Lele giannoni (talk) 16:58, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In Salonika, the main part of the population until the population transfers and the fire were Sephardim speaking Judeo-Spanish. Maybe that was Reed's Italian. --Error (talk) 01:56, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of extinction

message: At the time, what did 'franca' mean? Did it refer to the Franks? I wikified 'Frankish' to link to Franks in the sentence 'The literal meaning of lingua franca in Italian is "Frankish language"'. Is this correct? If so, the article should further clarify that this refers to the Franks, a Germanic tribe. Kent Wang (talk) 02:10, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, if you realize you don't know, why did you add this misleading link? Did you read the article to which you were pointing, notably this section? Did you read the discussion on this talk page? It's probable that 'franca' in this context meant "Western (Latin) Christian in the medieval Mediterranean", maybe specifically traders (maybe not). Next question might be: why don't we have an article about that? Well, we actually have several relevant articles, including Levantines (Latin Christians), Crusaders, Frankokratia, and Frangistan. With some research, we might be able to do better. But not by guessing. --Macrakis (talk) 03:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does 'franca' mean? 

message: In the section Example of "Sabir", it says that each Romance language has two versions: a "word-for-word" comparison of how cognates in that language match the words of "Sabir", and a grammatically-correct translation. However, I noticed that the French version had an extra word in the third line: "Si tu ne savoir", not corresponding one-for-one to "Se non saber". I edited the text to remove the "tu". (I have belatedly noticed that the reflexive "se" in the last line is likewise not in one-for-one correspondence, and would have also removed that.)
 reverted this change (diff), with the comment:
:Doesn't mean we need to use "Pidgin French" in any case a good translation is not always "word-for-word".
Per Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I'm putting this here as the "discuss" part of the cycle. In response to the edit comment, I think that the aim of the section does mean that we need to use "Pidgin French" in the left-hand, unitalicised "translation"; the right-hand, italicised version is meant to be the "good translation", and so it's that one that is not word-for-word. It could be argued that the ungrammatical word-for-word translation could be gotten rid of, but I think the comparison of cognates is interesting and worthwhile, so should be kept. Thoughts? -- Perey (talk) 16:50, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Molière's Mufti: "Word-for-word" versus grammatically correct translation 

message: Franks were the ancestors of the French. "Lingua franca" seems to be referring to French language more than the other language, but it's a pidgin, a mix. That's ambiguous.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:8DE3:BB0:1BF9:190B (talk) 14:59, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Franca & France. 

message: Comment added by anon: I dont know how to format so please fix this - the links below no longer work as the site was moved to this: https://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/handle/1793/8178/go.html but is also hosted by the library of congress at: http://webarchive.loc.gov/all/20151007220702/https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/corre/www/franca/go.html Jim1138 (talk) 06:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links mostly 404 

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