Talk:Hardal

message: The "see also" and "categories" are nor displaying even though they appear when one wants to edit the page.--Jayrav 04:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

message: Right now, the entire article is unsourced and completely qualifies as OR. However, I am afraid that this is the only way to start this article. I feel quite certain that every religious person who is slightly familiar with the Hardal world will agree with all that I wrote. Now, the section on Leadership needs to be expanded. Does Rav Yisrael Meir Lau belong to the Hardal leadership? I think so, and actually I think most of Israel's current and past Chief Rabbis belong to it, with the notable exception of Rav Ovadia Yosef (who holds against reciting the tefilah for the medinah). --Daniel575 | (talk) 19:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job on creating the article, kudos. I don't think it's OR from what I read (not all). I think Lau doesn't qualify as Hardal... the Hardal are those more in the region of Tkuma and Efi Eitam. Amoruso 22:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice. Unfortunately, since nothing is sourced, it's all OR. Nonetheless, the subject is worthy of an article explaining the phenomena, of course, expansions are welcomed as always. --Shuki 23:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It's ok to use them in this case. Amoruso 07:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First beginnings

message: All of the comparison sections (which were originally proposed by the banned user Daniel575, and then reproposed by the banned user Daniel575's sockpuppet Chussid, and which were originally rejected by a consensus) are unsourced. Referring to a book where one Rabbi, allegedly Hardal, writes about what should be the practice is not a source for what actually happens in Hardal. For those statements that do not even cite to a source (even a bad source) a source is doubly needed. I propose deleting the entire section, as we originally agreed to. I think that would be best especially in light of the fact that the sections only major proponent has now been banned (again). Jayrav gave himself a week to fix this page almost two weeks ago. To date, he has failed and I doubt he'll eventually succeed. --Meshulam 18:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: I took out the reference to mustard. It's true but irelevant info. Yossiea (talk) 15:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: I'm not sure why this page was moved back to Hardal without a discussion by  especially since his edit summary says you shouldn't move pages without a discussion. Further it's quite clear that the usage of Chardal is more appropriate than Hardal. Sir Joseph (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you think that Chardal is more appropriate? Searching at Google for "hardal haredi" vs "chardal charedi" (haredi added to distinguish from articles about mustard) gave me 3 times more result for spelling without the initial C... “WarKosign” 10:41, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , the people using the terms use Chardal not Hardal. Secondly, I did a Google search as well, using Hardal vs. Chardal and Chardal was more popular. I don't like the fact that we are anglicizing the term when the people on the ground uses Chardal. Nobody in Israel pronounces it Hardal and when it's used, they spell it Chardal. It's been like that in Wikipedia for months, and then it was moved to Chardal a few months ago as well. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  The term is a Hebrew abbreviation and the article name is in English, so of course we're anglicizing. I know that words starting with 'ח' are often spelled with Ch, but Haredi Judaism is uses H as the primary spelling. Are you saying that there is a difference in pronunciation between Hardal and Chardal? I assumed the only difference is in anglicized spelling of the same Hebrew word. What's the search you did? You are right and per WP:BRD if you disagree with the WP:BOLD move Precision123 - go ahead and revert and let them gain consensus on the new name. I tend to slightly prefer the new name, but really don't think it's important. “WarKosign” 18:20, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , I think Chardal is different because the people using it are more "Ch" people than "H" people. I would prefer actually Haredi being moved to Charedi, that is how it's pronounced and we should be using that rather than an "H" or at the very least an H with a stupid dot. But for Chardal, if you do a search, without Haredi, you'll find articles showing that they use the term more than Hardal. I also can't move it back because I am a pagemover so it could be argued that I am using my advanced rights to settle a dispute in my favor. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:49, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page should be moved back to Chardal and the lead should reflect that Chardal is primary over Hardal, as Google shows 

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