Talk:Joseph Joachim

message: When I cleaned up formatting on compositions, I hadn't looked at recordings, which puts the open number after the title, which I prefer visually.  MaxEnt 21:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recordings 

message: I know that Joachim converted to some form of Christianity - he talks about it in Arthur Abell's Talks With Great Composers.  Shouldn't it be mentioned in the article? -- kosboot (talk) 00:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Conversion 

message: I've added Joachim in the Publications by Friedrich Chrysander article as having co-published volumes of the music of Corelli. I'm reasonably sure this is the right Joachim, but I don't know enough about Joachim to integrate Chrysander into this article. At the very least, would a link to the Publications by Friedrich Chrysander article in this article's "See also" section be a good idea?  GFHandel.    00:26, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection with Chrysander? 

message: On Oct.18th 2013 was contributed by E.Joach a Montagnana violin to the list of violins possessed by Joachim. No reference was given. The information is questionable without further reference were the information came from. The violin was not mentioned elsewere. So the contributor might give more information. Kamlah  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.8.178.67 (talk) 10:39, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Montagnana Violin

message: As the list of references gets longer, it gets harder for readers to find a given reference. I'm about to add yet another reference. I don't think I can do the alphabetization myself for lack of time and because this article is not one of my higher priorities, although I hope to have already made some positive contributions to it. Marlindale (talk) 02:36, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant alphabetical by last name of (lead or first) author. Marlindale (talk) 02:52, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetical order for references would help 

message: Looking up Jascha Heifetz I found that there is a WikiProject Biography/Musicians, but Joachim is not in that although he is among composers. If Joachim was not the greatest violinist in the world during his career, who was? The closest great preceder may have been Paganini, and after Joachim the next Fritz Kreisler? Both had distinct styles, with Joachim's more classical? Marlindale (talk) 19:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better known as performer than composer 

message: I had myself written that Brahms never went to England but I found I had evidence to the contrary, as I had written myself in the Brahms article that he took a concert tour including London with Clara Schumann in early 1869, citing there a footnote by the editor to letters in German between Clara and Brahms. Maybe a reference in German is not satisfactory. I think the best solution may be to delete all mention from the article about Brahms going to England, as it is not really relevant to Joachim, so that's what I plan to do. Marlindale (talk) 00:25, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brahms visited England at least once? Source? 

message: I agree with the recent deletion of that statement. It seems to me quite uninteresting compared to never performing Dvořák's concerto or Schumann's. Most of Joachim's performances seem to have been of chamber music, in London several months of many years with Ries, Zerbini, Piatti, and sometimes Clara Schumann, or on the Continent with his own string quartet. There is rather detailed information available about Clara's performance of piano concerti. Her preferred concerto was Beethoven's fifth (Emperor) which so far I can document she performed 4 times. She performed Robert Schumann's concerto at least twice.  Marlindale (talk) 22:12, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performed Brahms concerto publicly "only" 6 times? 

message: He was and is much better known as a violinist than as a composer. The musician part of the article seems by now beyond Start-Class, I would have thought. Marlindale (talk) 19:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not Wikiproject Musicians? Why still Start-Class? 

message: If so inclined, one might get one or both book references on Joachim's orchestration from the WP article on the Schubert Grand Duo, and/or  get more details about the Houston Symphony (Eschenbach) recording to put on the list of recordings of Joachim's music.  I'm mainly interested in Joachim as a violinist myself. Marlindale (talk) 01:07, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orchestration of Schubert "Grand Duo" 

message: The list seems to have some unusual features. After the 14 works with opus numbers are some labeled "WoO" (works without opus number) and others that apparently could also be so labeled. Some compositions have been recorded, others not. Some have scores listed by IMSLP, others not. I have in mind to put "citation needed" for works with no opus number, no recording, and no score listed by IMSLP.  Marlindale (talk) 23:57, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of compositions, original compositions 

message: Substituted at 20:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: There is a data base, the "Cozio Archive", associated with Tarisio Auctions, cozio.com. Each string instrument in the base has a 5-digit ID number. One can search by "Historical Owners" such as Joachim. The archive lists 19 instruments as having been owned by Joachim, one viola made by Gasparo Bertolottii and 18 violins, 12 made by Antonio Stradivari, two by Guadagnini, and one each by Carlo Testore, Francesco Rugeri, Pietro Guarneri [a lesser known Guarneri] and Giuseppe Guarneri "del Jesu", the most reputed Guarneri. The section approximately agrees on the list of instruments owned — its footnotes are mainly to cozio.com — and gives more details on Joachim's acquisition or disposal of instruments.
In the book Joseph Joachim by J. A. Fuller-Maitland, 1905, a Google Book, I searched for "Guarneri"  and found no hits. For "Stradivarius" I found just one, on p. 18, saying that in 1889, on the occasion of a Jubilee for Joachim, he was presented with "an exceptionally fine" Stradivarius, made in 1715, called "Il Cremonese". (Joachim was born in 1831, so in 1889 he would have been aged about 58.) I will search further for confirmation of what other notable violins Joachim may have owned. Marlindale (talk) 18:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Joachim's instruments 

message: One thing I tried to do today is to distinguish the 60-year anniversary, in 1899, of Joachim's debut recital, and the 60-year anniversary in 1904 of his first concert in England. Marlindale (talk) 00:24, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  60-year jubilees 

message: The short WP article on her does not mention Joachim. It says she was a writer, mainly of fairy tales. Swafford's bio of Brahms says Joachim at one stage was
"lovesick" about her but later got over it. For now, I don't see a reason to mention her in the article? Marlindale (talk) 00:16, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Gisela von Arnim]] 

message: Brahms did write that, as quoted by Gal. But Joachim wrote some WoO pieces in the 1890s, listed under "Original compositions." Marlindale (talk) 22:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joachim "Has given up composing," per Brahms, 1887? 

message: At the end of the section on Joachim's students is the statement "Other pupils are mentioned by Wilhelm Joseph von Wasielewski in his book "Die Violine und Ihre Meister."" That book, in German, is a Google book. I tried searching for "Joachim" in it and found it on p. 425 in an index, which gives p. 347. I was unable though
to get any names of students this way and in fact only just the above minimal mentions of Joachim himself. Paganini is mentioned on over 20 pages as one would
expect. I have not found the year of publication of Wasielewski. It may have been too early to have much about Joachim. I think the mention is not useful and am inclined to delete it. Marlindale (talk) 00:52, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wasielewski 

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message: In the title of the WP article, the spelling with an umlaut over the u is primary; without it, secondary. Marlindale (talk) 23:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, could you explain why this change was necessary? It should be Zurich here or of there is not a good reason than Zürich...the current version is false...Can I help with something if there's a problem with a special charachter?(KIENGIR (talk) 21:10, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we misundertand each other...so now this form I see: "Zůrich" that seems for me obviously wrong...Zurich would be proper in English, or we prefer "German" context of the article, than Zürich...if there is a special reason for the current form I even don't know how to call, please explain to me. Thanks(KIENGIR (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think somethig is messed up with the charachters, in the article - as we discussed - the "Zůrich", here in the discussion title "Zǚrich", both are false. I have to revise myself in that way, that currently in the English wiki, the article name of the city is "Zürich", and yes, the discussion is over and final. Thus, I did not consider that the umlaut would be wrong - I would have considered as the genuine Swiss/German usage - but now "Zürich" won over "Zurich". I think it is something with your charachters....since "Zürich" (Zurich with umlaut) is not equal with "Zůrich", that is in the article ("ů" != "ü")....can I put and correct to "Zürich"?(KIENGIR (talk) 21:11, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please try that and I hope we can agree on the result. Marlindale (talk) 00:58, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

text: Thank you, I believe the character is correct now in the article. Marlindale (talk) 03:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, Regards!(KIENGIR (talk) 20:59, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of Zǚrich (Zurich) 

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message: These sentences have no real bearing on anything and should be deleted "In the journal Neue Zeitschrift fůr Musik Robert Schumann was highly enthusiastic about Felix Mendelssohn, on which Moser writes "Only in Haydn's admiration for Mozart does the history of music know a parallel case of such ungrudging veneration of one great artist for his equal."[11] The section on Beethoven’s late quartets is similarly in need of pruning. The topic is Joseph Joachim, not classical music.   Orthotox (talk) 11:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meandering /Irrelevant 

message: I read the Joachim article because I just published a new article on The Dutch Trio who once invited Prof. Joachim to play with them. The concert was in March 1903 and I uploaded the poster of the event. The Joachim article is very good. I think it should be submitted for an A class review. All the start class assessments are from 2008. Despite substantial improvements since, the assessments have not been adjusted. To my mind, it is beyond B class now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruud Buitelaar (talk • contribs) 01:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a brilliant article. The assessment process is not working. 

message: Edmund Severn, a new stub, says "he later studied music in Berlin. There he studied the Joachim bowing technique.". The article Violin_technique does not mention Joachim except that a book is listed in the "References": "Karl Courvoisier, The Technique of Violin Playing: The Joachim Method, Dover Publications 2006". It seems to be a reprint of an 1897 book. Googling "Joachim bowing" finds quite a few references. Perhaps someone knowledgeable about Joachim could add something about his bowing technique to this article, with incoming redirects from perhaps Joachim bowing technique, Joachim Method and/or whatever else seems appropriate? And maybe a mention in Violin_technique#Bowing_techniques if he is significant in that area? PamD 15:52, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Karl Courvoisier is in WikiData and has an article in Swedish wiki at sv:Charles Courvoisier. PamD 15:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bowing technique? 

message: I (no native speaker) appreciate that most articles in the English Wikipedia  contain such a section.  
this page maybe a base for that.   
Desiderat: his Cause of death. LDV-GS (talk) 16:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  section '''death''' missing