Talk:Joust (video game)

message: *Hi people. I just added a bunch of stuff to this page. If you have any feedback, please give it. I'm still learning some of the rules to wikipedia, but I want to be as useful as I can. Elliotharmon 11:08, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I converted the table over to an infobox designed for arcade games. I didn't fill in the Ports row, feel free to include it. --Pagrashtak 19:21, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: I added a word "a" that was clearly an unintentional ommition in the 1st sentence of the cheats section.  Someone might wish to mention that the 2600 joust was pretty faithful for a 2600 game.  I think it wa probably considered one of the most successful 2600 ports ever.  I think they stretched it as far as it could go to port it so well. --Thaddeus Slamp 22:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  cheats, also 2600 

message: Alexis Ohanian of Reddit fame has publicly wondered about the player riding a roc instead of an ostrich.  I remember seeing the cabinet, as well as reading the operator documentation clearly stating that player 1 is a ostrich, while player 2 rides a stork.  Actually, I just double checked KLOV's copy of the docs and confirmed it; I will be making the change since the roc mention isn't cited while KLOV is.  --DLWormwood 16:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species Of Mounts 

message: I'm no fan of AOL, nor wish to advertise for GameTap, but as it is only the AOL link provides a fully-functional Joust game. It's hard to say one is an ad and the others (like Midway itself, duh?) are not ads. --User:75.185.127.48  08:57, 6 August 2007
:Very simple, the GameTap version is an advertisement.  Its presented as such, sold as such, and meant to be as such.  The Midway and AOL ones are not.  Likewise, all external links have to follow policy which is they are meant to illustrate the current entry by providing material not available here.  Whether or not they are "full versions" are not the issue, this is not a place to provide game links.  In fact, we technically don't need any of the links except for Midway's (which would be the only official one since they own the property). --Marty Goldberg 15:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  working game play links 

message: Please understand, the citations you keep trying to add are not valid by WP:Cite or WP:Verify.  These include the standards on references coming from established (verifiable) and *published* sources.  Personal statements set in a reference tag are *not* valid references, as you've been told before.  Likewise, the pterodactyl reference is grey line as Wikipedia also has a policy against referencing itself. I let it stay for now, but it really needs consensus as does the entire section since its bordering on strategy - something also not allowed.  --Marty Goldberg (talk) 22:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent citation attempts

message: Who distributed Joust in Japan?  Was it Taito?--66.177.73.91 (talk) 06:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Distribution 

message: Wholesale reverting amounting to massive deletion of material is Not Good.  I'm tempted to start reverting the reverts.  Explain, please. - Denimadept (talk) 01:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also reverted this, Power2084, please explain why you made those changes. It appears that you've removed a lot of sourced information from the article. Dayewalker (talk) 05:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that the previous version was ok. Lack of available development information and excess game guide details unbalance the topic in my opinion. However, I'm not so naive to believe that the current version is perfect, especially when the "Reception and legacy" is unfinished. What about the previous version do you think adds the most value to the topic? Perhaps content can be carried over. Once I have more free time to dedicate to Wikipedia, I plan to take this article to WP:GAN and hope this is settled before that. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:03, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is going on here? 

message: If we need the docs, let me know.  I've got them. - Denimadept (talk) 20:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA discussion 

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I am 40 and started videogames when videogames started. There is a whole new generation of gamers that has not had this pleasure. Why should not be considered encyclopedic to tell this new generation that a work like Joust has inspired other works? And a clever "clin-d'oeil" such as the Mt. Hyjal quest line in WOW deserves that, for both Joust lovers as I am and WOW lovers.
Yes, of course, you can dance on US3 without having a clue about Herbie Hancock and have fun all the same. But there is another way of appreciating the present, and that is the whole concept of history. Where do I come from? Where do I go? And how the heck did I get here? 
Yet you could answer that inspiration in a work of art is not factual and therefore keep deleting references to World of Warcraft since they are non encyclopedic. But when they come from different users, from all ages, from all over the world, the censor should ask himself "why am I preventing those people to share the knowledge?
And if other editors of Wiki let Proust's fan write a section about "References in popular culture" for La Recherche du Temps Perdu (sorry, In Search of Lost Time for you English speakers), who is the censor who can decree that Joust does not deserve a section for Joust references in pop culture as well? To which degree we consider those kind of references unuseful and non encyclopedic for Joust when they are useful and encyclopedic for Proust? Just because the form of art is different? Imagery and game techniques of course are not as direct as a Monty Python's parody or a Cate Blanchett's line. And yet the reference, the homage is right there.
Knowledge is knowledge, and if you are not familiar with World of Warcraft and the Mount Hyjal chain, you just cannot recognise the homage. Which exists and is blatant to a discerning videogamer's eye.
--85.5.223.154 (talk) 00:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks so much for coming to the talk page to discuss the addition. The World Of Warcraft homage is already linked in the article, under the reception section. There's no need for an entire section describing the homage. Dayewalker (talk) 01:09, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Regarding "who is the censor who can decree....", the answer is the guidelines for the video game project, which were created by  consensus of the project members (currently about 360 active Wikipedia editors are members).  We have guidelines for popculture sections and content, as well as other areas.  That's besides the general guidelines of Wikipedia itself.  The long  soapbox rant aside, I would strongly suggest becoming familiar with the guidelines for content and contributor governance here if you plan to continue to edit content. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 01:19, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: One of Wikipedia's prime content directives is that we don't care and cannot include your (or any editor's) 40 years of personal experience. If you wish to share that, the proper venue would be to start a personal blog. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and if the OP is only 40, he's deluding himself if he thinks he's been in this since the beginning.  The first known video game can not be younger than 1961, with Spacewar (video game).  Even if he requires coin-op video games, PONG dates from 1972, which he would have been a bit too young to remember, being born in 1974.  And I seem to remember something about a game from 1958 or 1959 as well. - Denimadept (talk) 21:25, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: One more thing.  Regarding "encyclopaedic", "knowledge" and "anecdote" are not the same.  We require published sources.  See WP:OR for details. - Denimadept (talk) 21:33, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is "non-encyclopedic" ? And who better than Diderot can define that? 

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