Talk:Mbombela

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 17:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Mbombela →  – The WP:COMMONNAME appears to still be Nelspruit despite the 2009 renaming, per ngrams which shows that Nelspruit is used three times more than Mbombela, and per Google Scholar, which shows twice as many uses for Nelspruit since 2021 than it does for Mbombela. Note that many of the results for Mbombela are in reference to Mbombela Local Municipality, rather than the city. BilledMammal (talk) 05:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

text: what impact does smoothing have on the results? Greenman (talk) 14:33, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know what the implementation is, but it will be some sort of moving average where the smoothing factor alters the coefficients. The point is that one of the main arguments presented uses ngrams to say that Nelspruit is three times as popular, but ngrams can also be used to show the difference is only 1.25 times. YorkshireExpat (talk) 14:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that the smoothing of three is default, as it allows us to see the pattern, rather than outliers. BilledMammal (talk) 14:58, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The trend shows Nelspruit down, Mbombela up! It is also three years out of date. YorkshireExpat (talk) 15:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

text: As for the news results, a few issues - first, a single agency is not representative. Second, because of how news24 uses tags, many articles, such as this one, returned results for "Mbombela" that did not actually mention the city except in a "see also" section, and so a lot of noise is introduced, on top of the noise introduced by the references to the local municipality rather than the city. BilledMammal (talk) 14:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The main part of WP:COMMONNAME which would be relevant here is WP:NAMECHANGES, and so one 'independent, reliable English-language sources' that we should be giving extra weight to is the SABC news. YorkshireExpat (talk) 15:04, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: (ec) The city isn't an independent source for the name of the city. BilledMammal (talk) 15:07, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Your edit doesn't make much more sense; why would we give extra weight to a single news source? We would give it equal weight to other reliable news sources, and less weight than reliable scholarly sources. BilledMammal (talk) 15:08, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm suggesting a way forwards and pointing out another bit of WP policy that is relevant. I realise my first post was a bit dim. YorkshireExpat (talk) 15:11, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 15 January 2022 

message: In the "Suburbs and Townships" sections, KaNyamazane is listed twice. I assume this is an error. Joe Forster/STA (talk) 09:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why KaNyamazane twice? 

message: The article claims that Mbombela is the (capital and) "largest city in Mpumalanga" (population 58 672 in 2011). Both Emalahleni (Witbank, 108 673) and Middelburg (87 348) are larger, so I'm removing the part about it being the largest city. --Leviel (talk) 19:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population size