Talk:British Racing Motors V16

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message: < The unit was tested by being mounted on the front of a Merlin engine >
This is not correct.
Both Nye (in Volume 1 of 'B.R.M.') and the I.Mech.E. paper by Wilde and Allen about the V16's supercharger make it clear that the supercharger was tested on a dedicated compressor test rig, described by Nye (page 55) as 'R-R's No. 1 300 hp Test Plant'.
86.162.138.143 (talk) 01:16, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you'll find that the 'R-R's No. 1 300 hp Test Plant' was in fact powered by a Merlin engine, so the text if slightly inaccurate, is basically correct.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.172.235 (talk) 09:40, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  'You think I'll find': where do you think I'll find this?: aka [citation needed] 185.56.40.46 (talk) 00:32, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also, wasn't it powered by a Kestrel, rather than a Merlin?  (at least the original rig). Ludvigsen's book is very good (Ludvigsen is an exceptionally skilled writer in general). Andy Dingley (talk) 02:15, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Hooker, on page 29 of 'Not Much of an Engineer' has, describing his start in Derby in 1938 and quoting Frank Allen, 'Well, we have a rig back there in the test area, driven by two electric motors each of 250 horsepower, on which we can drive a test supercharger . . .' with more on page 35  86.141.61.196 (talk) 03:57, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error 

message: I propose to merge most of the content from British Racing Motors V16 (the engine) into BRM Type 15 (the car that used the engine). 
The majority of the V16 article refers to the car's performance in racing, quotes from drivers referring to the entire car and not the engine specifically, all of which is duplicated by the Type 15 article. The Type 15 article is better structured and better known, and generally each section is better addressed by the car article. However, this car's engine is notable and it is common to have articles about notable engines even if they are primarily associated with one car, so I propose to keep this article (and cross-reference it with the Type 15 article) but scoped only to the engine.
=== Proposal ===
* In Development, merge content about the chassis's design into the Type 15 Design section, cross link to that section and cross-reference.
* Merge any non-duplicate, cited content about race performance of the car/chassis from Races section into the Type 15 Racing section (possibly making the style of the Type 15 article more factual and less narrative). Reduce this content to changes made to the engine while racing, the engine's performance, and problems with the engine.
* Merge the Results section into Races, removing all content related to chassis performance.
* Delete the Conclusion section. It is entirely duplicative of the the Type 15 Change of regulations 1952 and Type 15 Survivors.
This is a fairly involved pair of edits, so I will try to merge without editing for other reasons, though the articles have other issues.
The majority of this article was contributed by 86.112.73.124 on 17 Feb 2011. Since then most edits have been pretty minor. 
--Killermonkeys (talk) 10:03, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest going the other way and make the V16 article the target. The cars are most commonly known as the BRM V16 (in Mk.I and Mk.II form), and only very rarely by their Type numbers. That way you have a broad article that covers both chassis types and the engine. Otherwise everything you suggest looks good. Pyrope 13:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: * In Development, merge content about the chassis's design into the Type 15 Design section, cross link to that section and cross-reference.
* Merge any non-duplicate, cited content about race performance of the car/chassis from Races section into the Type 15 Racing section (possibly making the style of the Type 15 article more factual and less narrative). Reduce this content to changes made to the engine while racing, the engine's performance, and problems with the engine.
* Merge the Results section into Races, removing all content related to chassis performance.
* Delete the Conclusion section. It is entirely duplicative of the the Type 15 Change of regulations 1952 and Type 15 Survivors.
This is a fairly involved pair of edits, so I will try to merge without editing for other reasons, though the articles have other issues.
The majority of this article was contributed by 86.112.73.124 on 17 Feb 2011. Since then most edits have been pretty minor. 
--Killermonkeys (talk) 10:03, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest going the other way and make the V16 article the target. The cars are most commonly known as the BRM V16 (in Mk.I and Mk.II form), and only very rarely by their Type numbers. That way you have a broad article that covers both chassis types and the engine. Otherwise everything you suggest looks good. Pyrope 13:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal