Talk:Chinese cabbage

message: The link to the German version of "Chinakohl" shows a different vegetable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.68.186 (talk) 15:56, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is technically about both varieties, although there is now a separate article for the "different vegetable" (napa cabbage). Jpatokal (talk) 22:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  German link OK? 

message: Dozens that the article ignores. Omitted from the current article, for example, is the prized, slightly spicy 油菜 yóucài (yu toy in Taishanese, yau choy in Wuhanese), a small, flowering cultivar sometimes called "Shanghai bok choy."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.44.182.233 (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Yu choy" is Rapeseed (Brassica napus), an entirely different species. Badagnani (talk) 23:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confused; is "baby bok choy" the same as "Shanghai bok choy" (which I've never heard of) or not?  The Jade Knight (talk) 02:02, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Since baby bok choy is marketed separately from bok choy in (at least) the U.S. and Korea, and since it looks different, the relationship should be indicated in the article.  (I wanted to know about baby bok choy, but when I entered it in Wik search, I got no hits.  I only found it hear in the Chinese cabbage discussion by "chance.")Kdammers (talk) 02:27, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Strange:  After writing the above, I went back to the article and found that in fact BBC is explained.  I don't know why it didn't come up on the search.Kdammers (talk) 02:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Varieties 

message: I find this article (and Brassica rapa) a bit confusing.  The introductory sentence clearly declares Chinese cabbage to be the chinensis variety, yet later paragraphs talk about the pekinensis group (calling it "Chinese white cabbage") as if it were a kind of Chinese cabbage (presumably the Chinensis group).  And boy if you look up Brassica rapa,  you find that Bok choy is the chinensis group (fair enough), but "Chinese cabbage" is now the pekinensis group.  I think we can do better, though I don't know enough to start sorting it out.  A-giau 05:14, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah the chinenis and pekinensis problem should be fixed, but personally I think the bigger problem with this article is the ambiguity of the term "Chinese cabbage". Namely, it could be used to refer to too many things. Maybe this article should be changed to a disambig. page and the information here moved to separate articles. Sjschen (talk) 18:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing article 

message: 青江菜 (qing jiang cai) appears in a cookbook of mine and I think it should be added to the article. I think it is the Mandarin name of "baby bok choy" or "Shanghai bok choy." Badagnani (talk) 09:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, there are tonnes of names for this vegetable. I say add it. Sjschen (talk) 18:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 青江菜

message: The image is named and labeled "bok choy", but it sure looks like a pekinensis type to me?  I've changed the caption to the unambiguous brassica rapa pekinensis, but I think the article desperately needs a good shot of a chinensis type for comparison. Jpatokal (talk) 04:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We call what is in the photo bok choy in the United States. Look again at the enlarged white stems of the specimen on the left. Badagnani (talk) 04:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Garr — you're right, but the photo makes it look confusingly similar to nappa in shape (but not color), as the left one is clearly forming a head while the article body says that it shouldn't do that.  We need something more like this.  Maybe it's time to invest a few bucks for the greater good of mankind and go cabbage-shopping... Jpatokal (talk) 06:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image caption 

message: Regarding this section:
I don't believe 油菜 is correct, as that is a different species, Brassica napus (rapeseed). Badagnani (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think yau choy (油菜) is the a kind of Cantonese disk and choy sum (菜心) the most frequently used vegetable in the disk.  When choy sum is boiled in hot water, it is pak shap and taste plain.  To make it more tasty, oil is added to choy sum.  Ho yau (蠔油), the oyster (oily) sauce covers the disk of choy sum.  It is 蠔油菜心. — HenryLi (Talk) 00:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I'll back him up -- 油菜 is a common dish in Singapore as well, although (AFAIK) pretty much any leafy green can be used. Jpatokal (talk) 13:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccurate

message: I miss such or similar section --demus wiesbaden (talk) 19:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preparation for eating 

message: In the U.S. there are two types of Chinese cabbage usually available in supermarkets: "napa cabbage" (which is shorter and fatter) and "celery cabbage" (which is longer and thinner). Other than their shape, they are very similar in all respects. These should both be mentioned. Badagnani (talk) 05:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never seen "celery cabbage" around here.  What part of the US have you seen this in?  The Jade Knight (talk) 19:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celery cabbage 

message: Are there hanja for 배추? Badagnani (talk) 05:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd presume it's 白菜, or the same as Chinese/Japanese. Jpatokal (talk) 06:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hanja 

message: The name "pak choi" should be mentioned in the article, sure, but the common name is "bok choy". E.g., searching "bok choy" on Bing gives 1,410,000 returns, whereas "pak choi" gives a mere 274,000 returns.77Mike77 (talk) 17:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. There is WP:ENGVAR to consider: if the page was started with British English, that should be maintained (I haven't looked, but the first nonstub version would be controlling); but bok choy is not an Americanism and is by far the WP:COMMONNAME of this foodstuff and is used as such even in England, which is inconsistent within the UK and throughout the Commonwealth as to what is "Chinese cabbage", what isn't, etc. So, yes, please do clean it up if you have time.116.231.238.68 (talk) 08:04, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: To the extent bok choy is more American, it seems to be what the page started with (first non-stub edit). — LlywelynII 08:21, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

text: One of the former edits also notes bok choi is preferred in Australia. If that's true, we could use a good source. — LlywelynII 08:23, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pak Choi? 

message: This page is a bit of a mess, principally because it's discussing two very distinct Chinese foods, which are both sometimes called "Chinese cabbage". Especially given that pek. (大白菜) now has its own page at napa cabbage, my feeling is that we should have an article devoted solely to chi. (青菜 & al.) at bok choy (per WP:COMMONNAME); move the content currently here to the appropriate split pages; and keep Chinese cabbage as a dab giving a link/overview towards both.
(The other alternative would be to merge napa cabbage back here, but it doesn't make sense to have a pek.-only page and a pek-&-chi combo page.) — LlywelynII 17:54, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Split

message: I don't see any reference for the statement as to what names are commonly used in Australia. Up until a few years ago, it was only ever "bok choy" and perhaps occasionally "bok choi" in Chinese groceries and on menus. Only recently, as major supermarket chains have started to sell it, have I seen "pak" or "buk". I'm going to call in to question the information as it currently is, and unless a solid reference can be produced, I will remove it in time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.2.59.186 (talk) 13:27, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: More work is definitely needed on names. Whether "pak choi" is the most common name in Australia or not, I don't know, but its use in Australia is extremely easy to verify. See, for example, The Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry. --BB12 (talk) 19:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming Variations