Talk:Jesus (name)

message: sorry about the edit conflict; I thought I was in edit conflict with myself, and didn't realize I was overwriting your correction. 83.78.176.157 13:05, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit conflict

message: Is it true that the Spanish diminitive Chui/Chuy is short for Jesus? what's the connection? Arthurian Legend 02:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The nickname (apodo) is Chuy.  I don't think I would call it a diminuative (like -ito).  Take the name Rosaurio; the apodo is Chayo.  An apodo may not look much like the real name. (EnochBethany (talk) 14:51, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chuy/Chui 

message: Um, why is there a picture of Borat on this page?142.58.118.75 (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Shouldn't there be some kind of protection on this page? I mean, Jesus Christ, it's bound to get lots of negative attention. Seriously, Borat? Come on, why is "Very Nice" on this page? And it's news to me that Jesus Christ, son of God, died for the Internet.
Sorry, forgot my IP.
69.244.136.156 (talk) 21:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection? 

message: "The plural is not attested for obvious reasons."
If there is an obvious reason, then people would not wonder and this sentence becomes superfluous.
If it is obvious only to the author of that sentence, then the rationale needs to be explained.
My best guess is that names generally aren't used in the plural, at least in English. Is that true for all languages? Is it true for Hebrew?
I'm removing the sentence.
-Stian (talk) 09:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plural of name 

message: The word Iēsus/Ἰησοῦς doesn't fit into the Greek third declension or Latin fourth declension, as the article said. If it did, the Greek accusative would be Ἰησοῦς or Ἰησοῦος, and the Latin genitive would be Iēsūs. Rather, the declension is irregular. — Eru·tuon 21:52, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declension 

message: Walk in Jesus's Feet. He is Aramaic and his name is “Eesa”. Hebrew writing was akin to Steno-typing, something for only a Rabbi to use in memorization. This is why Hebrew was once missing letters. It was not socially used during Jesus's time.
According to Dead Sea Scrolls archaeologist, Yigael Yadin, Aramaic was the spoken language of Jews until Simon Bar Kokhba tried to revive Hebrew and make it as the official language of Jews during Bar Kokhba revolt (132-135 AD). Yigael Yadin noticed the shift from Aramaic to Hebrew during the time of Bar Kokhba revolt. In Book "Bar Kokhba: The rediscovery of the legendary hero of the last Jewish Revolt Against Imperial Rome" Yigael Yadin notes, "It is interesting that the earlier documents are written in Aramaic while the later ones are in Hebrew."(page 181).
Yeshua "Y'SHW`" is actually based upon a problematic and an ignoble Hebrew nomenclature for Jesus which is littered with disagreement and controversy. For 2000 years Jesus has been recorded in history under the cursed title ישוע "Y'SHW" an old Hebrew tetragram for "Yemach Shmo w'Zikro" meaning = "May His Name and Memory Be Wiped Out".  
108.196.192.38 (talk) 08:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what "Jesus is Aramaic" really means -- his native tongue was likely 1st. century Galilean Aramaic (a language about which not too many details are known), but he was not ethnically Aramean or Chaldean, so ordinarily one would say "Jesus was an Aramaic speaker" but NOT "Jesus was Aramaic".  Anyway, he knew enough Hebrew to read from an Isaiah scroll (and anyone aspiring to be a Jewish religious leader in his time and place would have to know Hebrew).  The name ישוע indisputably originates in Hebrew, and occurs a number of times in the Hebrew Bible / Old Testament, as documented on this article.  And it is ישו (without the pharyngeal ע consonant), not ישוע, which is derogatory... AnonMoos (talk) 15:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that you engaged him, means you are open to discussion and are capable in learning. I'm working on this topic; see my UserPage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DigDeep4Truth. Outlines within the Etymology of Jesus can be found there. --DigDeep4Truth (talk) 11:50, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: DigDeep4Truth -- referring to yourself in the third person is known as Illeism.  Your user page material contains a significant number of errors, as I've told you... AnonMoos (talk) 21:23, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus is Aramaic. So the source name should not be Hebrew. Worse Yeshua/YSHW is an insult 

message: How come this correction/addition has not been recognised yet? The name Jesus in Aramaic is "Eashoa".
The fact that this hasn't been looked in upon since the last talk, stinks of a poor attitude of it not being well known, therefore not important. 
--Marccarran (talk) 12:18, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The name in EASTERN SYRIAC is /īšōʕ/, for which "Eashoa" is a strange Latin-alphabet transcription.  We have an article about it at Isho, but the Eastern Syriac pronunciation in 800 A.D. is simply not the same as the Galilean Western Aramaic pronunciation in 30 A.D... AnonMoos (talk) 01:07, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: 2022

message: Please Visit my user page and look for Question 1 (Q1). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DigDeep4Truth 
And then return here to suggest the best edit solution for removing or educating people that Yeshu and Yeshua are not legitimate names for Jesus. Both well after the Greek.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DigDeep4Truth (talk • contribs) 08:10, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Your user page material contains significant errors, and I don't feel like trying to get to grips with it in detail.  If it's considered to be a "content fork", then it could be in violation of Wikipedia user page policies.  In any case, Yeshu is a Jewish-internal term (from after the 1st century A.D.) which very few Christians would have heard or known about until after the rise of modern Christian Hebrew studies in the 16th century A.D.  However, Yeshuaʕ ישוע is a late Biblical Hebrew form of the name "Joshua" which occurs a number of times in the Hebrew (and Aramaic) of the Old Testament, and which was transliterated into Greek as Ιησους already in the Septuagint (2nd. century B.C.).  Jesus certainly had an Aramaic and/or Hebrew name (since Greek was hardly his first language, if he even spoke it at all), and all indications are that this was ישוע... AnonMoos (talk) 08:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article source 1 & 2 citing [[Yeshua]] as coming before Greek are wrong. They are Hearsay from after 1700 CE 

message: Shouldn't there be some mention of the first biblical origin of the name Joshua. Moses change the name of Hoshea, son of Nun to Jehoshua to commemorate the deliverance/salvation That YHWH was bringing by Hoshea's hand.(Numbers 13:16) Jiohdi (talk) 00:52, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's more relevant to the Biblical figure and name Joshua than to Jesus... AnonMoos (talk) 12:54, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etomology 

message: I added... It was the 1629 1st Revised Cambridge King James Bible where "Jesus" (and "James") first appeared with the letter J being added to complete the modern 26-letter English Alphabet. 2601:580:109:170E:CC79:34AE:114:C35E (talk) 17:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: U and V were originally considered to be variant visual forms of the same letter, as were I and J.  The 17th century was when there came to be a somewhat consistent association between vowel readings and U I, and between consonant readings and V J -- but I doubt that the years between 1611 and 1629 were decisive for this.  The modern version of the KJV actually goes back to the "Standard text of 1769"... AnonMoos (talk) 09:40, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  1611 King Iames Bible - "Iesus", 1629 King James Bible - "Jesus"  

message: I tweaked the following... The proper name Jesus /ˈdʒiːzəs/ used in the English language originates from the Latin IESVS which was written on the titulus on the Cross.[1] Jesus is related to the Greek name Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous), a rendition of the Hebrew Yeshua/Y'shua (ישוע‎), also having the variant Joshua.[2][3] - 2601:580:105:6D2C:84BE:8828:3F2:B1AA (talk) 12:31, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It goes through French and middle English to get from Latin to modern English.  The difference between written "Jesus" and "IESVS" is a pure difference of changing spelling practices, and nothing else... AnonMoos (talk) 08:02, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Jesus' evolved from the Classical Latin 'IESVS' 

message: I don't feel like quibbling with the cited source, but to seriously compete as a knowledgeable Jewish religious leader in the time and place where Jesus lived (Judea and Galilee ca. 30 AD) you had to know a significant amount of Hebrew, and this is also indicated by Jesus picking up and reading the Isaiah scroll in Luke 4... AnonMoos (talk) 08:02, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: A good general reference for this is : . Apaugasma (talk|contribs) 19:59, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Jesus' knowledge of Hebrew

message: I don't want to quibble too much, but the sub-syllabic "a" vowel (diphthong element) between the long u vowel and the word-final pharyngeal consonant in Tiberian pointing would not have existed in the 1st-century AD pronunciations of these two names (much less in the earlier pronunciation of the Jewish Biblical period).  The pronunciation of the name of Jesus in 1st century Western Aramaic or Hebrew was almost certainly /yēšūʕ/, without an "a" vowel.  The sources quoted above may be very reliable, but they probably weren't written by historical phonologists who were focused on such details... AnonMoos (talk) 23:22, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: "a" vowel in these names