Talk:Portugal/Archive 3

message: User 82.155.192.235 wrote: "Another theory is that it comes from "Portucale", which is arabic for Orange, a fruit of which Portugal is famous for." I've removed it and told him: Please do not write stuff you are not sure and just heard somewhere. In Arabic orange is called Portugal (or something similar) because it was the Portuguese who introduced that fruit to the Arabic speaking world, namely due to the large production of the Algarve. The Ogre 18:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic origin of the name Portugal 

message: Does anyone here think that this article is simply "way too big" (75 kilobytes!). It´s even bigger that the articles about France and Germany. Hereby, I don´t mean that the relative "political" importance should be reflected in the size of the articles but I think that this "main" article is simply too large and should have smaller ! paragraphs who link to "main articles". These should deal much more thouroughly and should be logically much bigger (most aren´t) than the paragraphs in this article about Portugal. Flamarande 20:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  article size 

message: History of Portugal (1777-1834) is now being peer reviewed. Please, if you want, go there and state your opinion. Thank you. Gameiro 19:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to state that it is now a featured article candidate. You can support or oppose here. Thanks. Gameiro 01:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review 

message: Portuguese Communist Party is now a featured article candidate. Please give your opinion here. If you also want to help improving the article you are welcome. Afonso Silva 23:28, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese Communist Party

message: Please, please!, refrain from using the term "tuga", bearing in mind its connotation! (If you don't know it, do some research, please.) I do suppose we are trying to say "hip hop português" - "Portuguese hip hop" - therefore there is simply no reason to use it, even if a lot of (not very educated, let's be honest) people engage in this fad of using "tuga" as a synonym of "português" ("portuguese"). Cigsandalcohol 09:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "hip hop tuga" 

message: «Lisbon Fado was primarily of popular origins, often performed by women, while Coimbra's had a more literate vein and was often performed by men;»
"Often" is not appropriate. In the past, from what I know, Fado of Coimbra was never perfomed by women. You can prove me the contrary, though. Recently, the performance of Fado of Coimbra adheres to tradition, so it is never perfomed by women either. Cigsandalcohol 09:26, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fado 

message: Portal:Portugal is now open to Portuguese wikipedians! Our goals are quite obvious: to improve Portugal-related articles. For that we will try to start a WikiProject:Portugal and a Wikipedia:Portugal collaboration to assist the Portal. I've started the portal with a "Selected article", "Selected picture", "Selected biography", "News from Portugal", "Did you know...", "Categories", "Things you can do" and "Quotes" sections. Feel free to join the portal and state your opinions/suggestion in the portal talk page. Até já. Gameiro 06:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal:Portugal opens today 

message: I dont think the paragraph below (anon insertion on the 24th Mar) was fit for the article. However someone may want to discuss it rewrite it whatever.--BBird 18:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parag removed from article 24-Mar 

message: Huh??? More than once I read that Portugal came from Porto (the city itself) + Cale (currently Vila Nova de Gaia). Never heard about these "mixed origin" of the name.--200.222.3.3 20:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portugal's name origin 

message: *The article needs a major cleanup, it is 76 Kb long and full of irrelevant content for a main article. Along with that, some sections are full of the typical boorish provincialism, typical of our country.
*2nd, the article is, probably, wikipedia's champion in number of external links, we need to remove 90% of that. Afonso Silva 22:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major cleanup

message: The Conii, influenced by Tartessos, were established in southern Portugal for a long time.
*For what I've read, the Conii were a Phoenician tribe, or influenced by them. BTW, many historians see them as Celtic-influenced. But in any place I've read about that Tartessian influence. Even so, are the Tartessian really important?
Another thing is the Egyptian influence, I've read that there is some Egyptian myths over an Ancient Egyptian migration to the west. But the fact, that the Egyptian gods were venerated in Portugal (which is a  proved fact), doesnt mean that they cane here. The Egyptian religion was brought by the phoenicians or even by the Romans. Or did really the Egyptians came to this faar?
The lead is not ok. It should only include civilitations that made an important imprint in the country, mostly by invasion, and not everything. What's next? Ukraianian and Russian civilization? And Egypt should be changed to Ancient Egypt - these are two different things (if there really was a migration of Ancient Egyptians to Portugal). I would love to know about that, seems great! --Pedro 19:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancient Portugal

message: I have removed the national motto "he who dares wins", since I could find no corroboration for it, and in any case it seems fishy that only the English version is given.
Also, the Portugese Wikipedia has "Lema: não tem" which as far as I can tell translates as "Motto: none". --Saforrest 20:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto 

message: Should not be 1640, instead of 1128?--Menah the Great 12:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it shouldn't. Should the independence of France be 1945? I don't think so. Portugal was already independent in the 12th century. Afonso Silva 14:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User Afonso Silva is right - No, it shouldn't! Portugal never lost its formal independence during the Hasbsburg rule in the period some call the Iberian Union. It was a personal union of the crowns. The Ogre 14:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, OK, OK! I'm confused because 1640 page and other says, literally, "December 1 - Portugal regains its independence from Spain and João IV of Portugal becomes king. Spain does not recognize the Independence until 1668". Perhaps somebody should replaced "does not recognize the Independence" for "does not recognized Joăo IV as king".--Menah the Great 15:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independence date 

message: I don't find the tables appropriate to the main article as it has already 72Kb and they are not crucial to the main page, of course they would be great in the demographics of Portugal article. Along with that, the table which ranks the municipalities misses some top 20 municipalities, as we may find in :Image:Portuguese municipalities population1.PNG, such as Santa Maria da Feira and Famalicão. I think they should be removed. Afonso Silva 17:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I absolutely agree with you. I am new here but I think the article about Portugal is too large and have many useless photos and paragraphs. I just was building the populations table and decided put it in both the Demographics of Portugal article and demographics section of Portugal article for people can see it and say. (P.S.- V. N. de Famalicão is already there, Santa Maria da Feira is the next I will add.) Page Up 18:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tables of the demography section

message: I started removing several sentences from the majority of the sections, not because I dislike them, but just because the article is quite large, the majority of the country articles, and mainly, the featured ones have about 40Kb, this one needs to be shrunk by about 30Kb, it's a hard task. Afonso Silva 13:02, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Size of the article

message: I'd like to know how do I do to add this photo link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vitor107/sets/ on Portugal' article. I am sure that this link is very pertinent. Thank you.Vitor107 19:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Link

message: Though the "Festivals and holidays" section mentions several holidays of religious origin, there is no discussion in the article of religion in general, including but not limited to the prevalence of Catholicism.  The article should give a brief, evenhanded evaluation of the current religous trends in the country, possibly with a link to the more detailed information contained in the Demographics of Portugal article.  I politely request that someone with more detailed knowledge on the topic provide this information.  Thank you.
The great majority of the Portuguese population is a member of the Roman Catholic Church. Religious minorities include a little over 300,000 Protestants. There are also about 50,000 Muslims and 10,000 Hindus (most of whom came from Goa, a former Portuguese colony). There are also about 1,000 Jews. Atheists and agnostics are increasing in number. - This paragraph is on the Demographics section. Is this what you want? Please say something, I also think the article is quite bad, but alone I can't do much. Thanks! Afonso Silva 20:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion