Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Magic/Archive 1

message: I just spotted this at the base of the page on Magic (illusion), above the Categories section - should we delete it and block the perpetrator? as usual it is somebody without an account. here is what it says:
::See illusion. A trick is something a whore does for money...or candy. 67.165.91.60
:Delete it, but don't discount it.  Some distinction should be made that "trick" implies less talent, or mischievous deception, rather than something elaborately planned and requiring a greater degree of vision and skill. Sam Freedom 10:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism anyone? 

message: I have just created a new template for tagging tricks that are currently marketed and/or used by professional magicians.  I realize that describing how to do magic tricks is a violation of the Wikipedia principle that Wikipedia is not a manual or "how to", but it still seems appropriate and fun to include some tricks (such as the ones I recently added to the List of magic tricks).  However, it might make sense to leave out the methods for some of the tricks that are currently being used by businesses and magicians to make their living.  For example, the King levitation is still a fairly new trick and is currently sold by Ellusionist, so I'm sure that they would prefer for the secret not to be exposed.
How does everyone feel about this?  If there are no objections within the next week or two, I will start with the King levitation.
Kleg 18:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the need for it. The current  template links to Exposure (magic) and Intellectual rights to magic methods. Both articles explain the situation better than the proposed template. It's not the aim of Wikipedia to tell readers whether or not to expose magic tricks. -- Krash 03:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The spoiler warning is to protect the reader from information they may not want to read.  I was suggesting protection, for some tricks, of the owner, from the public exposure of information that they may not want exposed.  The two templates would serve different purposes.  Given that Wikipedia is not supposed to be a "manual" or "how to", it seems that a case could be made that no magic tricks should be explained, although that's not the case I am making.  I'm only suggesting that those which are still being marketed or used by professionals go unexplained.  Kleg 17:48, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The matter of whether wikipedia should censor this information has been dealt with at great length here and at talk pages such as Talk:Out of This World (card trick). There is an overwhelming consensus amongst wikipedians that this information should remain, and the vandals who have ignored this consensus have been (quite rightly) treated as vandals and their deletions immediately reverted.  This template is an attempt to legitimise such vandalism, but won't work.  The template has now been nominated for deletion. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 11:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template for marketed/professional items 

message: I'm wondering what kind of notability and relevency we can apply to articles about magic trix – why we're including a specific trick, why it should have its own article, etc. This line of thinking was recently inspired by the new articles added to List of magicians:
Twenty One Card Trick, Mentalo, Reading The Cards, Spelling Bee (card trick), The Four Burglars, The Three Aces, Blackstone's Card Trick Without Cards, The Acme of Control, The Circus Card Trick.
::These three public domain (unknown origins) tricks:Twenty One Card Trick,Reading The Cards,The Four Burglars, has a certain notability as beeing the three tricks most spread among people who are not magicians. I.e. if someone says he knows one single card-trick, it is a safe bet that it is one of those three. That is the case in both USA and Europe. Don't know about Asia. "Reading the cards" might be the wrong title for that piece (it might not even have a name). The remaining pieces seem to be small variations to public domain material, for beginners books, and I wouldn't call any of it notable, except The Three Aces, but that has more to do with the book it comes from than the piece itself. The following:The Circus Card Trick is credited to Clayton Rawson, but whoever posted it has stripped away everything but the bare bones of Rawson's piece, to the degree that it isn't the same piece anymore, and what is left should really be filed under, as an example of, "Key-card" (I'm quite certain that Rawson himself would be horrified over seing his name in connection to the description here)--TStone 12:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes exactly! That is the first reasonable statement ever I've seen here. I'm grateful to hear that. What's the point of having an encyclopedia, if it's randomly decided that one area doesn't need verification and notability, while all other's do? That only casts doubt on the whole place. I mean, first thing I did when I found this place was to check the areas in which I have some expertise.. and just saw myths, thefts, misattributed material, uncredited pieces, false and misleading information... Well, as it is, I don't trust a single thing the wikipedia says in all the fields I don't have expertise. For all I know, it's probably the same unreliable mess there also.. well that is an exaggeration, but not a big one --TStone 12:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: For anyone interested: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Circus Card Trick, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mentalo -- Krash 01:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-Class and good B-Class articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles on magic? Articles like Bullet catch are what we're looking for. Featured articles would also be great. Please post your suggestions here. Cheers!--Shanel 20:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Re, Bullet catch Be careful with any information coming from William Poundstone's book, as that is known to cointain his own theories, and not always facts. And a cursory check on copyright-issues might not hurt either, as there's quite a lot of info from rather few books. I've no reason to believe text has been copies, but still... Most articles here are a mess, and many seems to take the idea of proper sourcing as a personal insult --TStone 07:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, thanks for your help.--Shanel 21:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project 

message: Hiya, I've been creating several articles lately on Magic-related subjects/people:
* Magic conventions
* Whit Haydn
* Oscar Munoz
* Abbott's Get Together
* Midwest Magic Jubilee
* TAOM
(etc).
Is there anyplace in particular that you'd like me to list new articles, to help with Project maintenance?  Or should I just make sure that they're all tagged with ? --Elonka 18:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New articles 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages: 
*User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory, 
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*User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
*User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
*User:Badbilltucker/Science directory
and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory.
The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. 
It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 00:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: This list is a real mess, and seems to be a magnet for any local high-school juggler to come in and add their name as a way of trying to self-promote.  The list currently seems to have more redlinks than real articles, and today I noticed that it was missing plenty of "real" magicians, such as Whit Haydn.  I've added in a few names, but I'd like to go through the whole thing from top to bottom, removing all red links, and then double-checking the names that are linked, to make sure that they're to real bios, and not just to self-promotional ads.  Is this alright with everyone, or are there any redlinked names there that you think should really stay?  If so, let's at least make stub articles for them, with a link to at least one bonafide reference that proves notability. --Elonka 19:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Redlinks are our friends if they remind us of worthwhile articles yet to be written. Don't kill them just because they are red. --KSmrqT 22:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, how about if I pull the redlinks off of List of Magicians page, but add them to the WikiProject, as "articles to be created"? --Elonka 22:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's really really unhelpful, frankly. Redlinks are a key part of growing the encyclopedia. If I see a redlink I might think "Oh, I'll fill in that articled." Taking them away, as seems to have happened via the discussion page, denies someone of the opportunity to grow a new article. The list is chronically bad - there's no Bill Malone, Daryl (aka Daryl Martinez aka Daryl Easton), Lubor Fielder, Pat Page, Hans Moretti and many other A-list performers. Please please put the most deserving candidates back in. 82.43.137.103 18:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Redlinks can be helpful within an article, but the list is a list of magicians with articles, not a list of magicians in general. IrishGuy talk 19:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is entitled "List of magicians" not "List of magicians with articles". If List of magic tricks can have redlinks in it (as in fact do the huge majority of other Wiki lists - random examples: List_of_book_titles_taken_from_literature, List_of_open_source_software_packages) then why not List of magicians? That's inconsistent. Davidbod 11:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Edited to add: My understanding of the criteria for adding redlinks is that they should be worthy of a seperate article. I'm not saying that every magician in the world should be on here, but if they're notable to have an article but someone hasn't written it yet, it should be on here to help grow the encyclopedia. Davidbod 11:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mess at [[List of magicians]] 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: I've recently created a couple of new articles on specific illusions and I think they might illustrate a general approach to writing about tricks without getting into the issue of exposure, which generates a lot of controversy. What I've done is concentrate on a description of the illusion and its origins and history. I think this gives the possibility of a substantial and worthwhile entry while temporarily avoiding the exposure issue. The articles in question are
* The Radium Girl
* The Aztec Lady
I would really appreciate any general feedback and comments on these because I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and I'm still learning some of the rules.
I am not saying we should back down on the publication of methods. I am actually among those who dispute the lines on "exposure" and "rights" that are often put about by the magic "establishment". I do, however, believe there might be better ways to handle the publication of methods in Wikipedia than those used so far.
Circusandmagicfan 16:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New articles - suggestion for how to write about tricks 

message: Israel Regardie wrote in the introduction to the voluminous Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic 	that any aspiring magician should consolidate his work by submitting to some form of Reichian psychotherapy. The basis if this is outlined in an article which I have put up, Sex economy (essay), which details an essay written by Ola Raknes, Norwegian vegetotherapist and author of Wilhelm Reich and Orgonomy. This is an acute introduction to the theory of sex economy which all Reichian, and indeed neo-Reichian, therapies are based on. This should be of great interest to many people that are preoccupied with more than the mere trappings of magicianship. However, this article that I have put up may not remain a Wikipedia article for long, since it has already been proposed informally for deletion. Maybe an interest taken by some of the folks frequenting this forum could be significant in saving this article for Wikipedia. __meco 07:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but as far as I can see that article has no relevance to this project. Circusandmagicfan 08:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, however what I assert is that it deals with a subject which by an aothoritative figure (Regardie) has been posited as instrumental to the success of anyone wanting to practice magick (and surely magic in a more general term as well), a pre-requisite if you will. Therefore I boldly take the liberty of informing you all of this. There should be no grounds for any action being taken by this project per se. __meco 08:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Noticing now that this project exclusively appears to be absorbed in so-called "sleight-of-hand magic" and not the magic of magicians (esoteric practice), I realize that I probably have indeed misjudged my audience. __meco 08:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something for all 

message: Additional opinions as to a magician's notability are requested at Talk:Tom Stone (magician). --Elonka 16:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment 

message: I just created this userbox that I thought some of you might like. If anyone wants I will also create a userbox for this Wikiproject. This userbox will also put you in the new category, Wikipedians interested in magic. This userbox isDeflagro 18:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: Seems like the template has stopped working. I know there was some discussion elsewhere on Wikipedia about abolishing or severely curtailing use of spoilers but I wasn't aware of anything being deleted. Does anyone know what's happened? Circusandmagicfan 19:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. See long discussion in archives at Wikipedia Talk:Spoiler. Samohyl Jan 20:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic spoiler template 

message: There needs to be some clean up with these two terms.  
A card flourish is something flashy, and sort of show-off like, but not exactly magical. A flourish may, sometimes, be used during a trick, but has no magical effect itself.  Some good examples of a flourish; One Handed Shuffle, Multiple packet cuts (What The Hell Happened Sybil? Hollywood Speedtrap, or anthing by Brian Tudor), Fans, Card Flinging, or any variety of One Handed Cut.
A manipulation should be considered magic.  In fact, that should be its own section of magic: Manipulation.  Just look at Jeff McBride, Peter Marvey, Topaz, and a whole host of others.  Manipulation doesn't just deal with cards (hence the need for its own section), it can be with Doves (or any other type of bird), Cards, Fire, Billiard Balls, Straws, Bells, or anything really.
We need to decide how to define these two terms cause I'm getting tired of seeing "Extreme Card Manipulation."  Its either a Flourish or a Manipulation, simple as that.N8pilot16 (talk) 19:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flourish and Card Manipulation 

message: Ok, so we are included on Portal:Drama which is really a link to Portal:Arts, however... There's portals for all kinds of important vast topics, such as Portal:Psychology or Portal:Mathematics. Then, there's portals for things that seem to have a more limited scope, like Portal:24 (the TV show), or Portal:Star Wars.
I think, we might have a winner with Illusion. It's more vast than a TV show, and maybe lesser in scope than say Mathematics.
Is anyone else interested in trying to start an Illusion portal? I'm going to be reading up on the guidelines for starting a portal and am curious if anyone else is interested in starting an Illusion portal article. *thumbs up*<BR>
--Protocoldroid (talk) 14:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about [[Portal:Illusion]] ? 

message: As per the guidelines on the article, I have been working my way through the listed magic tricks removing the method, and adding a message on the talk page.  Still loads to do - anyone want to give me a hand?  I think the edit summary and message I've been using is nicely concise - you can see an example on Talk:Asrah levitation and with this edit summary here. StephenBuxton (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing of methods 

message: The card magic (termed card manipulation as the title) and card flourish articles need your help. If you have sources for these articles -- they're needed horribly. These pages are being targeted by those with interest in "XCM" only, and not the history and definition of card magic, and card flourish.
* We need badly in the card magic article is to define: manipulation. I think of manipulation like, Channing Pollock (doves and cards), Jeff McBride (masks and cards), even the goofy (and brilliant) Tom Mullica (with tobacco products). But, I can't yet find a source. 
* I believe there's a point of view issue happening because of De'Vo von Schattenreich's marketing tactics. I don't dislike De'Vo. In fact, he's an inspiration to me. The problem is that his DVD's and website are very persuasive and he sells his flourishes and manipulations as being something completely different from magic. Great marketing campaign, bad news for the wikipedia articles, because it adds confusion. 
I can't explain why else the editors don't want to have a card magic article, they want to turn the card magic and card flourish articles into an XCM article -- a marketing term coined by De'Vo to see his products).
* The "notable manipulators" section is purely ridiculous. Or at least it was this morning when I woke up and read a list of random names, with no sources. I'd be putting Dai Vernon on the list, but, not until I find a few good sources and reasons too (I know in my heart that Vernon belongs there, but, "my heart" isn't good enough for wikipedia -- sources are, and I'm holding it down until I have those), however... People continually put these un-sourced.
* If we can't all agree, we need to split the article into two different spots: "Card Magic" and "Flourishing only stuff"
* Lastly, I plan to move "Card manipulation" to "Card magic" after I can define "manipulation" and then break the article into multiple sections (e.g. self working card magic, sleight of hand card magic, card manipulation [ala channing pollock, cardini] sections)
I'd be very grateful to anyone who can help out on these two articles.
--Protocoldroid (talk) 12:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Card magic needs your help. 

message: I hope I've averted the deletion issue with Don Wayne Magic. I've switched the article back to being a biography for Don Wayne and done some work to try to format it and add material and references to make it meet Wikipedia guidelines.Circusandmagicfan (talk) 13:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I had browsed the article a while back and it looked OK (I didn't scrutinize it), however, I took a peek last night and it's lookin' a-ok. Thanks for the attention to it. --Protocoldroid (talk) 18:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It looks good.  Epson291 (talk) 02:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Don Wayne Magic 

message: Secrets are sometimes discussed on the talk pages which may or may not be accurate.  Do not delete these, as this is classed as editing other people's words, and is not permitted.  Instead, add the  template at the top of the talk page, just below the  template.  The only exception where removing a secret from the talk page is permissible is where there is a copyright violation.
:Well, there you go - this is a first draft, feel free to edit it/approve it/disagree with it/etc. I think it could do with a link to Wiki policy that describes why you musn't edit other people's posts on the talk pages, but I'm not sure what it is.  I'm going to see if I can find it, but if anyone does know it, please can you add it? Thanks! StephenBuxton (talk) 12:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it! StephenBuxton (talk) 12:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Looks like we've reached sanity. --Kosmoshiva (talk) 13:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  As it has been a few days without comment, I have assumed that all parties are happy with it and have updated the main project page accordingly.  When I get a minute or two to spare, I'll drop a note on everyone's page letting them know that it has been changed. StephenBuxton (talk) 09:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New section: Action for secrets exposed on article talk pages

message: I have started a draft for the new (January 2009) show Masters of Illusion at User:A_More_Perfect_Onion/Sandbox/Masters_of_Illusion_(TV_show).  I would greatly appreciate help from WP Magic on making this article, and setting up the disambiguation page. --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 14:03, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft for show Masters of Illusion 

message: Can someone offer some help and reference this? - Mgm|(talk) 20:06, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ray Brown (Magician/Illusionist)]] 

message: The template discussed at the top of this page is currently up for deletion if you want to participate, please feel free to join in.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 14:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I intended to post the notice here, as well, but thanks.  If there's any other individual who should be notified, please go ahead.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 14:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template up for deletion 

message: There is a debate on Talk:Elevator levitation regarding the removing of magic secrets.  We would appreciate anyone popping over and joining in the fun! Stephen! Coming... 12:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debate notice 

message: By the way, here's a relevant discussion about subject development you might find interesting.  
Now back to the question...
(and this one: Is "magic" the right name for the subject?)
The Transhumanist  01:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are there enough articles on this subject to justify an [[Outline of magic]]? 

message: Could someone assess and suggest improvements to Derren Brown: The Events? Thanks. OrangeDog (talk • edits) 10:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment request 

message: Dear friends;
I kindly invite you to participate at the development of a new game at commons:category:Collaborative work. Please take a look at the related talk page. You might be interested on some card tricks. Just look at Medias (examples). Best regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 11:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  invitation to [[commons:category:Collaborative work]] 

message: There is a big debate going on in the discussion page on Tim Ellis as one editor Doggus is stating he is an "amateur-ish magician" and "there is very little justification for this entry." The only contributions Doggus has made are editing the Tim Ellis page and trying to get it deleted.
What do the editors of WikiProject Magic think?
Have you heard of Tim Ellis? Does he warrant listing?  80.84.55.204 (talk) 03:53, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm terribly sorry, but I've never heard of the guy. I read A'LOT OF MAGIC PERIODICALS, too. ....lots of blogs and discussion boards (The Magic Cafe, etc.) I'm a member of the IBM.......just can't say I've ever heard of him, but frankly the article is heavily sourced......jeesh, is it ever!! So, the point being: it doesn't really matter if I've heard of him.....it seems that a'lot of people have and presuming that all the refs are legit, his contributions look notable to me.Buddpaul (talk) 15:04, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tim Ellis 

message: I really don't care for the graphic at the top of the page. Can we vote?  I vote: Change!!!! Buddpaul (talk) 14:59, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graphic 

message: I'd like my article Shadowgraphy to be reviewed please for classification.
JeremeK (talk) 08:56, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jereme K on ''Shadowgraphy'' 

message: Okip   00:38, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced living people articles bot 

message: I searched for sponge balls you know those soft squishy balls magicians like me use in close up magic.Well nothing came up.They are a very important part of magic I think a article should be made for them.i am sorry but I cant write it (i'm not experienced enough to make a good article yet)
--River25 (talk) 03:18, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll dig around a bit.....I think they might be somewhere here.......I'll check and report back.Bddmagic (talk) 01:41, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  sponge balls 

message: This project really needs to be re-awakened.Bddmagic (talk) 17:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zzzzzzzzz...... 

message: Hi everyone.  I'm working on the Guy Bavli page.  Eclipsed (talk) 17:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guy Bavli 

message: The Indian magicians article has large POV problems.  I don't know anything about magic so I was hoping someone could help me revise it.173.128.112.194 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 08:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian magicians 

message: The Wikipedia:Magic Collaboration of the Week has been asleep for a few years.  Can we revive it?  I changed some of the nomination/voting rules to help. Eclipsed (talk) 11:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But so far, not much participation in MCOTW.  I think we need to make it MCOTM - Magic Collaboration of the Month.  Perhaps that will give people more time to join in?       Eclipsed   ¤      09:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic Collaboration of the Week 

message: The code  is a new userbox for members to to put on their User pages.   Eclipsed (talk) 21:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New User Box 

message: I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of :Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 20:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject cleanup listing 

message: The article on magician David Roth could really do with some attention.  It's been languishing as an unreferenced biography of a living person since July 2008.  I've now added a couple of references for awards won but have been unable to find  reliable sources for the rest (including the MIMC membership, which I find surprising).  If he's as important as the article (and the note on the talk page) suggests, I would hope that someone here with greater knowledge of the area would be able to get the article tidied up and properly sourced. No need to reply.  Just drawing it to your attention.--Plad2 (talk) 07:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[David Roth]] 

message: I just added some references to Jeff Sheridan but was unable to find any online verification for several pertinent facts, such as his involvement with Theatre of the Absurd, or his work for Milton Bradley. I tagged these "citation needed". I am not a member of the Magic community and will not check this board regularly, nor will I necessarily do any more work on this bio. If anyone is aware of books, magazines or other sources which would verify some of the other assertions in this bio, here's hoping you will make the updates....thanks. Jonathanwallace (talk) 17:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jeff Sheridan]] 

message: The 33 pages listed below transclude this missing template - it looks like a project to add an infobox to (some) magic articles was started but not completed a few years ago.  I'm afraid I've not got the background knowledge necessary to make good the problem - is there anyone here who can figure out what the intention was and either finish up the job or undo the partly-completed work ? - TB (talk) 09:56, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure, but maybe this evolved into Template:Magic and Illusion and/or Template:Famous Magicians ?       Eclipsed   (talk)   (code of ethics)      14:53, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Magicbox]] 

message: Articles with the WikiProject Magic template are now automatically tracked by AAlertBot.  The latest reports will show up on Wikipedia:WikiProject Magic/Article alerts.  For more information about article tracking, see Wikipedia:Article alerts.  Thanks!      Eclipsed   (talk)   (code of ethics)      18:39, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article alerts for WikiProject Magic 

message: I have created a page where magic-related articles for deletion (AFDs) can be tracked. I have found such a page helpful for other projects I participate in. Please list magic-related AFDs on this page to encourage others to participate in the discussions. For instance, the Gazzo article is currently up for deletion because much of the material on his page is unsourced. The listing page can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Magic. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 18:06, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion Listing Page 

message: Seance Magic is a branch of mentalism that has been recognized by professional magicians around the world for decades. Can we add this as a category? Sgerbic (talk) 21:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seance Magic 

message: I've brought this new article up at WP:BLPN - it's a bit of a mess and probably copyvio machine translation from somewhere. If anyone want to try to fix this, it would be great. She looks notable but of course I could be wrong. Dougweller (talk) 15:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dimitrova, Desislava]] 

message: At the moment this is just an unreferenced long list of people who got awards - which would be many times larger if it actually listed everyone. Not only is it open to BLP violations, it isn't a proper article. Dougweller (talk) 11:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pacific Coast Association of Magicians]] 

message: I've tried to clean this up, including removing copyvio, but someone replaced it. I've done that again and added a list of the Indian magicians that I can find who have articles. The article needs more eyes but I'm not quite sure what it's about. If it's about Indian magicians, should it be a list article? Or should it be about Indian magic (magic in India)? I put the project template on the talk page. Dougweller (talk) 20:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian magicians 

message: Have anyone create Magic Barnstar to reward for who contribute in article which magic relation for use all of en, th and other language in wikipedia ? Thank you :) --B20180 (talk) 11:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic Barnstar 

message: Article could use some attention. Possible COI issues, badly written, sourcing problems. Dougweller (talk) 10:54, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Curtis Lovell II]] 

message: Hi folks. A draft rewrite/restructuring for the Guy Bavli article is now ready for review. It's available at: User:Eclipsed/Guy Bavli.   For discussion, please see the  on the Guy Bavli talk page.  Thanks.  Eclipsed   (talk)   (COI Declaration)    11:49, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested edit for [[Guy Bavli]] 

message: I wrote an article on another John Mulholland, then created John Mulholland (magician) as a translated stub from the German article after seeing a note on the disambig page. He sounds quite interesting, so someone here should be able to beef it up. Fences&Windows 21:10, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Mulholland 

message: I've queried a couple of sources at WP:RSN, interested parties might want to comment. Dougweller (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for biographies 

message: Timeline of magic seems an idiosyncratic and somewhat parochial article that could use some attention. It doesn't seem to have any criteria for inclusion which is a problem. I've just removed some British organisation which has no article and certainly doesn't seem suitable for a timeline, and there are others like this, while surely there should be more outside the English speaking world. Dougweller (talk) 14:51, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline of magic 

message: I've been doing a bit of research into Edme-Gilles Guyot and found a source that credits him with significant influence on the cups and balls trick. As he is not mentioned in that article I wonder how true this is. Any help from people more knowledgeable in this area would be great. violet/riga [talk] 11:17, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edme-Gilles Guyot / Cups and balls 

message: If the article is not concerned with esoteric and mystical topics, as asserted, then surely it should be headed Conjuring as a performance form, or similar.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DStanB (talk • contribs) 14:41, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Hi everyone at WikiProject Magic!
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thread_title:  Women's History Month is in March 

message: This is a bio created in good faith by someone affiliated with the subject. I' tagged it as an autobiography, a tag that has been removed by the article's creator - it really should have a COI tag. It would be helpful if some other editors worked on the article. Dougweller (talk) 16:30, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jason Latimer]] 

message: We are amidst a content dispute that would benefit from input by members of this project. Please take a look.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of magic museums]] 

message: I keep trying to improve the Kellar article and someone from Eerie keeps changing it.  He thinks that it is not reference correctly or is too trivial to be included into wikipedia.  I disagree.  All of the items mentioned came from my magic library and was not trivial enough for Gibson, Christopher, or Miesel.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.104.60.57 (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harry Kellar article 

message: :image:Circletriangle.gif has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 03:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circletriangle.gif 

message: I've recently created the page List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit!.
Additional help with research, secondary source suggestions, and quality improvement ideas would be appreciated, at Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit!.
Thank you for your time, 
— Cirt (talk) 17:04, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit! 

message: *Wikipedia:Peer review/List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit!/archive1
I've started a list peer review for List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, feedback to further along the quality improvement process would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Peer review/List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit!/archive1. — Cirt (talk) 19:58, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  List peer review for [[List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit!]] 

message: Hello,Please note that List of magic tricks, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! 
Delivered by Theo's Little Bot at 02:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of your project's articles has been featured 

message: * We are looking for volunteers and an expert Wikipedia editor (to help volunteers navigate the ins and outs of Wikipedia guidelines) for the Wikipedia:Meetup/All_Things_Magic_Edit-a-thon_2013 on Saturday September 14th. Jpecore (talk) 23:08, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  All Things Magic Edit-a-thon 

message: #List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit!
#Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit!/archive1
I've started a Featured List nomination for List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit!.
Participation would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit!/archive1.
Thank you for your time,
— Cirt (talk) 15:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured List nomination for List of awards and nominations received by Penn & Teller: Bullshit! 

message: I have updated Missing topics about magic - Skysmith (talk) 08:39, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing topics page 

message: See Talk:Paul W. Draper - new editor planning to edit this in cooperation with the subject. Dougweller (talk) 10:17, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Paul Draper]] 

message: See [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Benjy Cohen]] - pretty obvious COI also. Dougweller (talk) 15:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Benjy Cohen]] 

message: Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on the WikiProject X proposal 

message: This is a notice about :Category:Magic articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 04:53, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expert attention 

message: Hello everyone!
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thread_title:  WikiProject X is live! 

message: Has this project improved any magic-related articles to GA- or FA-status? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 02:28, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Sleight of hand, a level 4-rated article, just passed for GA-status. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 22:21, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huzza! 

message: My list of missing topics about magic is updated - Skysmith (talk) 13:33, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing topics list 

message: I have requested a move of this page to Close-up magic per WP:COMMONNAME. Please see Talk:Micromagic#Requested move 13 November 2017. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 09:42, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Micromagic]] 

message: I've performed a census of participants to work out who is currently active. Anyone with no contributions for over 12 months has been marked as inactive. This should make it easier to find users who may be able to give help or advice. PriceDL (talk) 13:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Participant census 

message: I've added a list of recent changes to the see also section of the project page, which I've found useful for the other projects I'm involved with. The list is made using pywikibot so should include any page whose talk page is in :Category:WikiProject Magic articles as of today. I need to fix how it deals with extended symbols but this will do for now.
It leads here.
PriceDL (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated today. PriceDL (talk) 16:07, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes list 

message: — Maile  (talk) 00:24, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:DYK]]

message: Short version: I noticed that :Category:Magicians and its subcats contain several people who are not illusionists but people who think (or claim) they can do real magic. They should have a separate category, but I do not know what name it should have.
The long version is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Paranormal, but I guess people here would be interested too. One possibility I suggested there was:
:Category:Magicians (paranormal) - maybe :Category:Magicians should be renamed :Category:Magicians (illusion). --Hob Gadling (talk) 20:49, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category name for alleged magicians? 

message: The Richard Turner (magician) article is in dire need of improvement.  Considering the subject's notability and relatively high profile, it should at least have project ratings. —107.15.157.44 (talk) 03:51, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Richard Turner (magician)]] 

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thread_title:  Request for information on WP1.0 web tool