Talk:Alexander Pechersky

message: So is it Pechersky or Peczerski? --Patpecz 23:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only spelling I had seen was Pechersky until you mentioned Peczerski. The Polish version of Wikipedia also has Peczerskiego. So I've added them all. Thanks! --Traal 19:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should change it to "Peczerski".  Pecherski is the phonetic pronunciation in English of the Polish pronunciation "Peczerski", while Peczerski stays true to the original spelling.  Remember how many spellings where changed when immigrants arrived to the US?  Could this be a similar case?--Patpecz 07:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Original spelling would be in Cyryllic. --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 08:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know a Pole who met Pechersky who pronounced it "puh-CHAR-skee" --whatever that's worth.  Cramyourspam (talk) 00:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: What's the name?

message: If you have anything to say regarding this, please do. I am 100% fluent in Russian and English (11 years in Russia and 20 years in USA.) Please ignore spelling and wacky characters. Meishern (talk) 06:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Complete re-write

message: If you plan on editing this article by deleting 50% of the carefully researched and referenced paragraphs using an IP, forget it, because I will revert every time. This is a nice article well documented with multiple references. You can't just delete 50% of it, compress it and call it a job well done. Pechersky lived a long life outside the couple of weeks he was in Sobibor and this article covers it. Add some new information instead of removing valid, referenced, informative, non-POV, well written data. Meishern (talk) 18:31, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Strange re-writes

message: User  is arguing that the Ukrainian auxiliary guards were not Ukrainian, as some of them were other ethnicities. At the same time in the article on Babi Yar he is arguing, that the Kiovan Russo-phone multi-ethnic (non-Jewish) citizens of the Ukrainian SSR shot at Babi Yar should all be called "Ukrainian". What defines the guards here as "Ukrainian" is not only that they spoke the Ukrainian language, but more importantly, that they swore allegiance to Ukrainian nationalism. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 16:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the main Sobibor article the guards were multi-ethnic, not necessarily Ukrainian, althogh a significant number of them were in fact ethnic Ukrainians, undisputably. I myself personally knew 2 Trawniki men, and had to wash my hands after handshakes with them. However, we have no evidence that the guard ever swore any allegiance to any Ukrainian cause, or even were Nationalists. The Babi Yar discussion should go there, not here.--Galassi (talk) 16:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, maybe the "swore allegiance" is too strong an expression. One could just say that they self-identified as "Ukrainians". However, in the 1942 context such self-identification cannot be taken lightly. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 17:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Their self-identification would be a mystery, unless documented.--Galassi (talk) 17:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed --Львівське (talk) 04:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Every German SS identified and referred to the guards as Ukrainian. Galassi has his own views regarding Ukrainian role during the Holocaust which conflict with multiple historical sources. Despite Sobibor's location in Poland, Nazis trusted Ukrainians and repeatedly used them in every death camp. I am a bit busy now with another project, but in 2 weeks I will return with 10 references regarding Ukrainians in this article, as well as a few others which are being slowly hijacked with the goal of revisionist rewriting of factual history. Cheers! Meishern (talk) 00:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Every German SS identified and referred to the guards as Ukrainian". Can you source that?--Galassi (talk) 03:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I put 5 references as to all guards being Ukrainian. If you revert me, be careful. Meishern (talk) 14:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Those are some radical, unreliable sources you've got there. Wow. I'm not going to dispute that Ukrainian guards were there, but can we get some better sources here? --Львівське (talk) 04:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Radical sources? Pick any newspaper in USA, UK, Germany, Austria, Poland and I will reference it from there. They were technically Soviet since Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. They were just all born in the area that is currently part of Ukraine. I can add 20 more references if you want. I am just not sure at which point you will be satisfied. Let’s say I put 5 references from different SS officers working at Sobibor from trial transcripts stating that every auxiliary guard was Ukrainian, and put 5 references from one main stream newspaper from the above countries. Would this settle the dispute? Cheers! Meishern (talk) 09:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukrainian auxiliary guards? 

message: Much emphasis is put in this article on the first-person account of Thomas Toivi Blatt, who was born in 1927 and during the uprising of October 1943 was only 16 years old, whilst supposedly posessing intricate knowledge of the Pechersky's plan all the way through. They both met in 1980 in the Soviet Union. Blatt flew in from Los Angeles and (like all Americans) was treated by the Soviets at Rostov with suspicion. Pechersky was in his seventies and spoke Russian. This was perhaps the time when the particulars of the uprising were recounted. Unlike Lanzmann, Polish-born Blatt makes no mention of the presence of any translators during the interviews. He makes no mention of taping the story on a tape-recorder either. Due to highly sensitive nature of this material, we need to limit ourselves to the circumstances of their meeting rather than trying to state things about Sobibor as facts in Wikipedia's editorial voice.  Poeticbent talk 16:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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