Talk:Characters of Final Fantasy XII

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message: It really is terrible. Read the Vayne and Venat sections. They suck out loud. (Momus (talk) 20:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you think it's that bad, be bold and try to improve it. Otherwise, stop trolling and vandalizing articles. PiccoloNamek (talk) 20:53, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The upper half is very good for an article of this type.  The bottom half could use references, although, even without them, it's fairly well written.  I don't see how it could be considered horrible. Gamer Junkie 15:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a horrible article. 

message: For a rationale on why we cannot use multiple fair-use images, see User:Durin/Fair_use_overuse_explanation. I don't agree with it at all, but rules are rules and we have to follow them. PiccoloNamek (talk) 01:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus there seems to be a favoritism, as only Vaan, Penelo, Ashe and Balthier's pic is placed. What about Fran and Basch? But that's not the point. There is a discussion already on this. Revert it back. — Blue。 01:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More ridiculous bureaucracy? Way to crap up the article. Gamer Junkie T / C 05:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use images 

message: This article is very in-universe, except for maybe the first section.  It is very much written like a game guide too.  I thought we could draw more attention to where the characters are influenced.  Take a look at some obvious influence drawn in the series, especially, as stated in the game article, from Star Wars:
:Image:HanSolo.jpg
There's some obvious influence here...
:Image:Balthier.jpg
...notice?
It was interesting how the fact that FFXII is somehow inspired by Star Wars in an uncanny way, but it would be good to point this out in the characters somehow.  It looks pretty much that Vaan could well be a typical Luke Skywalker...but I guess that's a bit of WP:OR.
Anyways, it would be good if we could get some source to state the inspirations/influences for the charaacters.  It's too prominent to overlook, but without the adequate referencing, it may be dismissed as OR.  ætərnal ðrAعon 01:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk about the influence 

message: "They also criticized the voice acting as uneven and rife with mispronunciations." (review quoted as n.48):
The only specific example that review gives of mispronunciation ("marquis") is the reviewer's mistake, not the game's. The way the article summarises the review gives the impression (IMO) that this is a legitimate criticism - intentionally?
User:GemmaBristow  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.69.36.126 (talk) 00:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rife with mispronunciations

message: Are you sure? 74.192.157.176 (talk) 01:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Larsa's a dude?

message: It seems to me like this article lists a lot more characters than are really notable.  For example, there are characters in the Minor Characters section who only appear at one small point in the game (Jules and Mrjn, for example) and have no effect on the main plotline of the story (ie, they are only very localized plot devices—for example, Jules as a role in just the part of the game where you have to get across the bridge from Old Archades, and other than that he doesn't matter), and thus I don't think there's much reason to keep them in the article.  There are also characters included under Other Characters who I don't think should be there (such as Reks, who as far as I can remember never appears in the game, and isn't even very plot-critical...he's part of Vaan's personality, but doesn't really make a difference for the plot; also, King Dalmasca, who is dead before the game proper ever starts and doesn't really exercise any effect on the plot).  —Politizer( talk • contribs ) 17:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing minor characters 

message: I was browsing along and thought I'd look up my favorite character, Basch, when was reminded of the game and his page is.. missing? Delete this if for some reason they were pulled to fix some errors but it seems that the main cast is being omitted somehow.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.120.162.178 (talk) 11:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed \(^_^)  — Blue。 16:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basch / Penelo missing? 

message: Those profiles are still important as they are part of the main game's storyline.Fractyl (talk) 17:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is a misunderstanding on the topic. This article is about FFXII the PS2 game. There is no value judgement on the importance of RW; it's just that this article is about the PS2 game rather than the FFXII subseries. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 11:28, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest renaming the article "Characters of the Final Fantasy XII series" to include RW material. While it's no value judgment on the project's part, it does seem to reflect that notion on others, as seen from Fractyl's opinion. Although, we could risk its GA status. — Blue。 02:46, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm cool with that. I suggest that we revert back to the version where Fractyl had the RW characters in, and let him/help him finish citing it to the game script. At that point I'll try to find some reception on the characters, and if there's enough info in total to support the additions, we'll rename the article to match. I doubt there's any GA concerns; I only got the article to GA a month ago, no one's going to try to delist it in the middle of a renovation. --PresN 03:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with that but the article is just too FFXII-centric in the current and reverted versions IMO. The "Cast creation and influences" is so focused on FFXII, I don't think adding one or two short lines about RW in the intro and reception will work much. With something like the FFVII series it makes sense to talk about all the games since it's the same development team and art style, but here you'll have 90% of talk about FFXII and 10% of RW content and it will seem very distinct (again no judgment on my part but it's different artists, different art styles, different reception, etc.). I'm just not sure we have to treat RW in this article when the only connection is the story (not really the most important aspect for Wikipedia). Moreover, Vaan and Penelo's story continues in FFTA2 yet this will be left out, won't it? Megata Sanshiro (talk) 08:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Revenant Wings

message: The following sources should be translated and used to expand the current incomplete article:
;Final Fantasy XII Battle Ultimania
* FFXII Development Staff Interview 1 – Character Section
* FFXII Development Staff Interview 2 – Program Section
* FFXII Development Staff Interview 3 – Battle Section
;Final Fantasy XII Scenario Ultimania
* FFXII Development Staff Interview 1 – Art Section
* FFXII Development Staff Interview 2 – Movie Section
* FFXII Development Staff Interview 3 – Sound Section
* FFXII Development Staff Interview 4 – Scenario Section
* FFXII Development Staff Interview 5 – Map System Section
* FFXII Development Staff Interview 6 – Directors
;Final Fantasy XII Ultimania Omega
* Creator Interview
* Special Column
* Voice Actor Interview Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5
* Hitoshi Sakimoto Interview
* Movies Text Commentary
;Final Fantasy XII International Zodiac Job System Ultimania
* Hiroyuki Ito Interview
Anyone willing to help translate even one page is welcome! Jonathan Hardin' (talk) 18:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ultimania development information currently not in the article 

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