Talk:Abitur

message: I'm looking at the numbers in the statistics section and cannot find a source for them. I edited the Overview section, where the number of students leaving with Abitur in Germany was cited as 400,000 in 2005. According to the Federal Bureau of Statistics (Statistisches Bundesamt), that number is far too high. I think that the numbers in the Statistics section representing the percentage of students leaving with a Abitur or Fachhochschulreife (combined numbers, expressed as a percentage of all students) has equally been inflated. There is no source or reference for these numbers. 
If I take the table from that Statistics section, which currently reads as follows:
Percentage of students graduating with Abitur or FHR (Studienberechtigtenquote):
Year      	2000 	2001 	2002 	2003 	2004 	2005 	2006 	2007 	2008 	2009 	2010
Percentage	37.2%	36.1%	38.2%	39.2%	41.5%	42.5%	43.4%	44.5%	45.1%	46.5%	49.0%
and put correct numbers derived from the last available official statistics (for the years 1992 and 2004-2012), I get the following percentages (XX for the years where no data is in the current official tables):
Percentage of students graduating with Abitur or FHR (Studienberechtigtenquote):
Year      	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004 	2005 	2006 	2007 	2008 	2009 	2010
Percentage	XX  	XX  	XX  	XX  	24.1%	25.4%	26.6%	28.3%	30.2%	31.5%	32.5%
 
Before correcting that Statistics section according to my findings, I would like someone else to review and confirm my findings. --Phellmon 19:21, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Germany: Statistics Section

message: Should it really be described as a "high school degree"?  In the usage I've heard it's "high school diploma," with degrees being reserved for junior-college level and above.  But has anyone a counterexample?  --Daniel C. Boyer 14:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Should it really be described as a "high school degree"?  In the usage I've heard it's "high school diploma," with degrees being reserved for junior-college level and above.  But has anyone a counterexample?  --Daniel C. Boyer 14:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct in telling us that the Abitur is not as high an achievement as an associate's degree. However, the point of the original text was, I think, that the Abitur is higher in academic level as the US high school diploma. So, we need not refer to the associate's degree but to the IB and AP tests, which are somewhat similar. Some kind of comparison is helpful to the reader, although it remains inexact, by necessity. --MPorciusCato (talk) 16:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  High school equivilent? 

message: "It is the only school leaving certificate in all states of Germany that allows the graduate (or Abiturient) to commence studies at the university." this sentence is wrong. Its the only direct way, but there are other ways via additional schools. FreddyE 10:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong 

message: Reaali in which examinees take between one and four exams, and are only allowed to answer questions from a single subject per exam. These subjects have to be chosen by the examinee well in advance prior to the exam.
Has this changed or is my memory very hazy on this subject? I seem to remember having all the subjects available to me. There was no need to choose a subject a priori to the exam; we were provided with all the "reaali" questions at once, and chose whatever we felt most comfortable with.
Of course this was before Eximia Cum Laude Approbatur was introduced and the whole system changed, so I could very well just be an old... flatulence.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.217.202 (talk) 14:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The structure of the reaali was changed a couple of years ago. The cited section of the article is correct. Victor Chmara 23:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Acctualy you can only take two  reaali-exams each spring and fall. You could do 6 exams in 3 different parts before you finished matriculation examination. Also you can do further exams after you have finnished your matriculation examination. I will change it to one or two exams as it is more exact if you do examination in one go. --Contributions/82.203.226.37 (talk) 11:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reaali in Finland? 

message: Each exam takes six hours. - is this right? Or is each paper taken in two three hour stints? Albatross2147 (talk) 11:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is taken in a single six hour session. However, using toilet is possible. In a typical set-up, there are four teachers supervising the exam hall (one on each side). If the student wishes to go to bathroom, he raises his hand, and is guided by one of the teachers to bathroom. There are at least two closets reserved for sole use of the examinees (and closed to other pupils). The closet used in each case is chosen randomly by the teacher when the examinee is guided to the bathroom, so as to prevent leaving messages. In addition, the students are allowed to bring food and drink to the exam hall. The food must be in transparent packaging, and the bottles are to have no etiquetts, so as to prevent writing on them. --MPorciusCato (talk) 12:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: MPC, why not slot that info into the article? Jake the Editor Man  (talk) 16:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strong bladders in Finland? 

message: I have suggested a merger of Abitur after twelve years with this article. The topic seems there to be of only minor importance to people outside of German-speaking countries and could well be shortened and included in the Germany section of this article instead. --Axt (talk) 13:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Your proposition is correct and easily implementable. --MPorciusCato (talk) 15:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree, too. I'm German and even here in Germany that topic is only a big deal in the former West German part of the country! 188.192.112.242 (talk) 08:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Merge it! That topic is allmost irrelevant to people outside of Germany, but it makes sense to mention it here. Alnitak (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree, merge it! 188.192.112.243 (talk) 11:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Merge it! 188.192.97.97 (talk) 13:46, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abitur after twelve years 

message: There should be a clear, concise section on how the final Abitur mark is calculated (i.e., weights assigned to final exams, coursework, etc.). The same section should also explain the grading scale so that an outside observer may understand what a particular grade means (for example British A-Levels have grades A*, A, B, C, etc. ). 
The weights and the calculation varies from state to state and sometimes from year to year. Further it often is a more complicated system. As an example the following points where added together: a certain number of courses from the last 2 years, that must include one foreign language one social study, one science German (literature).... Your major courses times 4, your result from the actual Abitur exams. All this was added up and there is a table that gives the final grade. Note that there are more restrictions on combinations and additional conditions to be meet, like you may only fail one major corse and you need to pass two courses in physical education (but you don't need to get them into the total). You need to pass the final exams as a total as well.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:184:4400:276F:14BE:BE1A:CB63:584B (talk) 03:58, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Abitur Final Mark

message: Why is the information on the Finnish exam here? The intro to that section says it is called ylioppilastutkinto in Finnish, which translates as "matriculation", and the section doesn't seem to mention the Abitur at all. Also, it looks like it's a different exam anyway. So why isn’t it at its own page titled Matriculation (Finland), like other "matric" pages? Moonraker12 (talk) 13:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I came here today to renew this suggestion (as it's been on my to-do list for about four years now) but you beat me to it. As there has been no objection to this, and some support, I've gone ahead and moved the "Abitur in Finland" section to Matriculation exam  (Finland), in line with similar articles. Moonraker12 (talk) 12:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finland? 

message: The lead sentence lists Bulgaria as a country using the Abitur. Can anyone confirm this? Does Bulgaria have a matriculation exam, and what do they call it? Moonraker12 (talk) 21:12, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed these countries--Estopedist1 (talk) 15:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgaria? 

message: it says this is a typical school for germany, but actually these internate are rather rare. most students get their abitur from a normal gymnasium/high school. 88.74.72.228 (talk) 14:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany: Picture Schloss in Torgelow 

message: I've had a look around on the interwebs, and I can't see anything about the leaving certificate for Lithuania or Estonia being called the Abitur. I admit, I am neither a resident of those countries or a speaker of either language, but it seems to me like there isn't much info on a Lithuanian/Estonian Abitur out there to find. Could someone please reassure me that this is actually a thing and that the 'needs more worldwide focus' tag up the top is necessary? 
JonsterMonster (talk) 10:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lithuania/Estonia? 

message: Quote: "Students from other countries who hold a high school leaving certificate that is not counted as being equivalent to the Abitur (such as the American high school diploma) and who do well enough on the ACT or SAT test, may also enter German universities."
This is no longer true, now only a HSD + certain AP courses, or a college degree is recognized as equivalent to an Abitur.  See https://anabin.kmk.org/filter/news/newsdetails/artikel//usa-3.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.249.160 (talk) 17:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equivalency section's reference to SAT and ACT + HSD no longer valid as of winter semester 2019. 

message: It should be mentioned that the intellectual requirements for an Abitur differ greatly within Germany. Each state or land manages its own educational system. Abitur requirements are most ambitious in Bavaria, Baden Württemberg and Saxony, and lowest in Bremen. A Bremen Abitur corresponds to a Bavarian Mittlere Reife (O levels). Ontologix (talk) 23:31, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differing Standards