Talk:Andy Summers

message: I'm curious what this 6 + 7 + 7 string guitar is and how it was used.
http://flickr.com/photos/ubermatt/2529951205/in/set-72157605297113148/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.121.97 (talk) 12:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting Guitar 

message: Re: "In 1973, he married Kate, a psychology graduate, and they had a daughter, Layla Z Summers (born in 1978)."
If this person's maiden name is unknowable, then the passage should at least be reworded so that it reads something like, "He married his girlfriend Kate in 1973." If Kate were (or is) an actual psychologist, then "a psychologist" would help to identify her, but the phrase "a psychology graduate" is essentially meaningless and should be deleted.TheScotch 08:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kate ''who''?

message: Didn't Summers study classical guitar at UCLA from approximately 1969 to 1973? If so, shouldn't the article mention this? It would seem to me a pretty important part of his biography. TheScotch 09:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added this information (under the rubric "Education"). I don't know whether Summers graduated from UCLA, though. I hope someone can tell us.TheScotch 06:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me suggest someone email Summers and ask him if he graduated, and anything else that this article's fuzzy about, such as his year of birth. Fp cassini (talk) 05:22, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: UCLA

message: This article as it now stands seems to me obsessively concerned with brand names and models of guitars. I don't think any mention of them should occur in the opening paragraph, and the "Equipment" section, if it is to be retained at all, should be reduced to at least one-third of its current size. Brand-name guitar buffs can indulge themselves elsewhere.TheScotch 06:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  Summers is well-known and noted for his guitar collection and equipment; Guitar Player Magazine has done more than one story on just his rig.  It is very much in scope for an article about a guitarist to cover his equipment in detail.  And trust me, what I have written is extremely concise in relation to the depth of information that is available about Summers' equipment.  Additionally, I intend to expand the other sections of the article considerably so they are proportionate to the equipment section. --Bloodzombie 14:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   There is a missing component regarding Andy Summers' relationship to Hamer Guitars - more than just playing them, he was critical in the prototyping of various models early in the company's history.  I bring this up because the prominent use of Hamer Guitars by Summers is what originally led me to discover the brand.
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.170.173.22 (talk) 12:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  If this is true, it is a major oversight of the article's. Nowhere is Hamer mentioned, and the infobox's "Notable instruments" lists only Fender Strat & Tele, conveying a very different impression than a "prominent use" of a boutique electric guitar brand birthed in 1973 would. This issue should be high priority for this page, I think. Fp cassini (talk) 13:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

text: That sounds reasonable.  I can provide many sources that back up that claim. --Bloodzombie 17:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Equipment

message: Generally, Wikipedia's musician-related articles read like press releases from the artists' publicists. This one's no exception, so it's almost pointless to mention it here. It's no better and no worse than most others I've read, but I tire of reading the hyperbolic drivel like "acknowledged as one of the most-imitated" blah-blah-blah.
Maybe, but such unproven and unprovable opinions add nothing to the information presented. B. Polhemus (talk) 19:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Hype Continues

message: No hay menciones sobre los trabajos en colaboracion de Andy Summers / Eberhard Schoener.
Eberhard Schoener  - Sarabande (1975) EMI/Electrola, Eberhard Schoener - Flashback (1978) EMI/Electrola, Eberhard Schoener - Video Magic (1978) EMI/Electrola, Eberhard Schoener - Video Flashback (1988) Phonogram, Eberhard Schoener - Sting - Andy Summers (1990) Phonogram. Puede alguien aportar mas informacion sobre este?
There are no entries on the works in collaboration with Andy Summers / Eberhard Schoener.
Eberhard Schoener - Sarabande (1975) EMI / Electrola, Eberhard Schoener - Flashback (1978) EMI / Electrola, Eberhard Schoener - Video Magic (1978) EMI / Electrola, Eberhard Schoener - Video Flashback (1988) Phonogram, Eberhard Schoener - Sting - Andy Summers (1990) Phonogram. Can anyone provide more info on this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Takenae (talk • contribs) 09:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andy Summers / Eberhard Schoener 

message: This article is about a living person, and is completely unreferenced. The few references were either too vague to verify, or self-published. I've deleted the material that was not referenced. -- Mikeblas (talk) 02:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's aggressive, but completely within Wikipedia policy: unreferenced material, particularly in articles about living people, is not appropriate. -- Mikeblas (talk) 22:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BLP says: "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". Would you care to explain why you considered the material in question contentious? It's fine to remove contentious unsourced statements, but it's only fair to explain the reasons why it was considered contentious in the first place. --LjL (talk) 16:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: In the "Police" subsection of the "Biographie"(sp?) section, it reads "Summers sang lead vocals on several songs, including "Sally" and "Mother." ." I feel that smacks of a fan's devotion or a press release's hyperbole.  Summers sang on less than 10 of the band's ~70 songs, none of which were singles, hits or even notably strong AOR radio tracks, "deep cuts", concert staples, or generally recognized to be core to the canon. (Although I did read that Summers' "Omegaman" was considered as a possible pre-LP single b4 Ghost, but Sting was against the idea.) Although technically speaking 7, 8 or 9 is 'several', it's disingenuous to imply that Summers' singing w/ the Police is significant in any way.  I count Summers having songwriting credit on ten of The Police's appr. 72-75 songs. I know "Camel Toe" is an instrumental. I believe it's not the only one. It would seem Summers sang on 10-11% on his band's songs.  Fp cassini (talk) 16:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, good point. Do you have a suggested re-wording? Maybe "Summers sang lead vocals on a small number of songs ..." --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 18:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  How's "Summers sang lead vocals on the small number of songs he contributed to the Police, typically one per album plus b-sides."? Fp cassini (talk) 03:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  That sounds fine. I'm reminded of the song "Someone To Talk To". It's not in the article now, but it was a Police song Summers sang lead on that Sting didn't like and it never made an album. It was a b-side to "Wrapped Around Your Finger". --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 15:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Only problem with "Summers sang lead vocals on the small number of songs he contributed to the Police, typically one per album plus b-sides" is that it's completely untrue(which I assume is why it was deleted from the article). For that matter, so is your claim that Summers has songwriting credit on ten of The Police's songs. Summers has 15 songwriting credits with the Police, and of these, he sang lead vocals on only two: "Mother" and "Someone to Talk To". "Sally" doesn't have lead vocals at all, only piano and spoken word(both performed by Summers). Finally, it's also untrue that Sting didn't like "Someone to Talk To". He liked the song; it was only the lyrics he disliked, hence why he refused to do the vocals on it.--Martin IIIa (talk) 12:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Summers sang lead vocals on several songs..." too fawning 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Andy Summers's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "allmusic":
From Dantalian's Chariot: 
From Post-punk: Erlewine, Stephen Thomas. "Post-Punk" Allmusic. Retrieved 2 November 2006.
From The Police: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 03:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Andy Summers]] 

message: I will be doing a general clean-up of this biography over the next week or so and maybe adding some images.Whoisjohngalt (talk) 15:46, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: General clean-up

message: Does anybody know which of the two guitars on "As the Years Go Passing By" from the album Love Is by the Animals is he playing? The wah wah on the right channel or the one on the left? One of the two belongs to John Weider I suppose. Chapa1985 (talk) 22:35, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:NOTFORUM. This is not the place to be asking this. Sro23 (talk) 23:32, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

text: I'm sure there are plenty of online forums that can help you, but not here. This discussion page is for improving the article. Again, it's outlined very clearly in  WP:NOTFORUM. Sro23 (talk) 16:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which guitar? 

message: There has been dispute about his year of birth (1942/5) and surname at birth (Somers/Summers) but his place of birth is not challenged (Poulton-le-Fylde). Government records of births (and marriages and deaths) in England and Wales are searchable on-line at FreeBMD. In the 1940s, there was no birth of an Andrew Somers registered but several Andrew Summers. Among them is "Summers, Andrew J"	in the Fylde registration district, registered in the first quarter of 1943 which would be consistent with a birth on 31 December 1942 in Poulton-le-Fylde (the mother's maiden name is given as Allwright). Nedrutland (talk) 09:15, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth name and date 

message: I know people are not reliable sources on matters concerning themselves in the Wikipedia sense of reliability. I wouldn't want it any other way. Maybe there is a verifiable source for the age at which Mr. Summers picked up the guitar? At approx. 57 secs into the quite recent Rick Beato YouTube channel's video 'Andy Summers: His Career With The Police and Iconic Guitar Style' Andy Summers states that he was 'about 12 years' of age when he got his first guitar from a cousin and was immediately fixated on it. At the time of the interview, Mr. Summers was probably only a few weeks short of being 81 years old (upload date Dec 18, 2023), his memory might fail him. He might be bad at math. He might not want to accept that he's already playing guitar for more than 70 years, etc. There could be many 'reasonable' or 'unreasonable' reasons for his statement to be false. I'm just suggesting to crosscheck with other reliable sources. I'll do some research myself which I will contribute if something worthy turns up. Korinthus (talk) 17:56, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that interview, too. A fact like that will necessarily be imprecise and easy to forget as one ages.Vmavanti (talk) 18:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rick Beato/Andy Summers Interview: Andy picked up guitar at 12?