Talk:Ethan Allen (company)

message: One picture of Beaumont nice maybe in view of Hurricane. Seems too promotional for Wikipedia though. A picture of a unique piece of furniture might be better? Pictures of factories, unless truly of unique design apparent from the picture seem kind of blah to me. Who care about one more rectangular box? At least this article is off to a good start with some visual relief. Thanks. Student7 19:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Hello: I am a content manager who is employed by Ethan Allen. My COI and disclosure as a paid editor are on my user page. 
Although these proposed changes have been reviewed and closed by one editor, I did not receive an answer regarding why using the 10-K would not be acceptable as a source, and wanted to ask if other editors might be willing to provide clarification. I am clear on the difference between primary and secondary sources. Although composed by Ethan Allen, a 10-K is a legal document filed with the SEC; being untruthful is not an option.
As noted in my previous topic, the 10-K/annual report seems to have been acceptable in similar articles. 
The 10-K is used as a source for company facts only: how many manufacturing plants Ethan Allen has and their size, Ethan Allen's net sales for FY 2023, etc. 
The content I am proposing to add is not marketing oriented or opinion material, but rather factual information about the current structure of the company.
Also, what about the other edits that are attributed to other sources? Could those be considered even if the community prefers that I go back to the drawing board on the information sourced to the 10-K?
Thank you for providing an additional review of both my comments and the proposed edits. 
  
REQUEST 1
* What I think should be changed (include citations):
First paragraph:' 
Delete "an American furniture chain with about 300 stores (called Design Centers) across the United States, Canada, Europe, the Middle East and Asia."
Replace with "a manufacturer and retailer of home furnishings, incorporated in Delaware with executive offices in Danbury, Connecticut. As of June 30, 2023, the company reported net annual sales of $791.4 million.
* Why it should be changed:
In addition to being a retailer, Ethan Allen manufactures the majority of its products. 
I recommend adding specificity to "American" because the company has locations all over the world. 
The number of Design Centers is out of date; I recommend deleting the numbers and locations here and presenting the locations and updated numbers beneath Operations, which I will add as an additional request.
The net annual sales are out of date. Recommend updating with the figures reported in Ethan Allen's latest 10-K filing.
* References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): 
For business overview, including the addition of "manufacturer": 
For update to net annual sales: 
REQUEST 2
* What I think should be changed (include citations):
Move the sentence "It is one of the largest furniture companies in the United States" from Operations, paragraph 1, to make it the final sentence of the introduction.
* Why it should be changed:
This is a preference only: This seems more appropriately placed in the introduction rather than in Operations because it is a summary statement.
* References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):
N/A
REQUEST 3
* What I think should be changed (include citations):
In Operations, delete "As of 2020, Ethan Allen has 304 design centers domestically and abroad, nine manufacturing facilities in the United States, Mexico, and Honduras, and 14 retail delivery centers located across the United States and Canada as of 2019, along with sales of $589.8 million.[1]
The company makes customized furniture domestically (Maiden, NC), such as upholstered furniture, sofas, and chairs, custom made in a selected fabric.[3][4]"
Replace with: "As of June 30, 2023, Ethan Allen operates 139 retail design centers, with 135 located in the United States and four in Canada. Additional design centers are operated by independent licensees located in the U.S., Asia (including the Middle East), and Europe.
The company also owns and operates ten manufacturing facilities, including four manufacturing plants, one sawmill, one rough mill, and one kiln-dry lumberyard in the United States, two manufacturing plants in Mexico, and one manufacturing plant in Honduras. Approximately 75% of the company’s products are manufactured in those North American manufacturing plants. As of June 30, 2023, the company owned approximately 2.6 million square feet of manufacturing capacity. 
The company also operates a logistics network consisting of three company-owned distribution centers in Virginia and North Carolina. Design centers are then supported by 17 company-operated home delivery centers and nine delivery centers operated by third parties.
The company makes customized upholstered furniture, such as sofas, sectionals, chairs, and upholstered beds custom-made in a selected fabric,[3][4] in North America (Maiden, NC, and Silao, Guanajuato, Mexico). The company also makes customized case goods, such as dining and occasional tables, custom desks, media cabinets, wood chairs, and more in Orleans, Vermont, and in Choloma, Cortes, Honduras." 
* Why it should be changed:
To better explain Ethan Allen's operations by providing information from the company's most recent 10-K filing, including correct quantities of design centers and stating that there are additional design centers operated by independent licensees; updating the number of manufacturing plants and providing detail of each, stating that 75% of Ethan Allen products are made in those plants; providing details on the company's distribution/logistics network; adding more details about the furniture categories manufactured by Ethan Allen, and in which manufacturing plants they are made; taking out "domestically," which implies Ethan Allen's manufacturing is U.S. only.
* References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):
For updating the number of Design Centers and manufacturing plants, stating % of products made in those plants, and adding the number of distribution and home delivery centers: 
For providing the total square footage of all manufacturing facilities: 
For net annual sales update: 
REQUEST 4
* What I think should be changed (include citations):
In History, add an additional paragraph beneath the current first paragraph:
Ancell is known as the inventor of the gallery showroom concept, in which arrangements of furniture are showcased in designed room settings. The company first deployed the concept in department stores for which it was a vendor and then, in the 1960s, in its own furniture galleries. 
* Why it should be changed:
This is a noteworthy addition to the existing information about the company's founder. May also consider adding to Nathan S. Ancell.
* References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):
REQUEST 5
* What I think should be changed (include citations):
In Operations, delete the first sentence of the current second paragraph: "In 1972, Ethan Allen moved its headquarters from New York City to Danbury, Connecticut."
Replace with:
"In 1972, Ethan Allen the Baumritter Corporation moved its headquarters from New York City to Danbury, Connecticut. In the late 1970s, the Baumritter Corporation officially changed its name to Ethan Allen."
* Why it should be changed:
At the time of the move to Danbury, the company was not yet called Ethan Allen. This edit establishes that the name was changed in the late 1970s.
* References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):
REQUEST 6
* What I think should be changed (include citations):
Delete "In 2004, Ethan Allen closed its two plants in Boonville, New York and Bridgewater, Virginia, laying off 250 each.[7]
In 2008, the company announced plans to close a dozen design centers. The decision was made to consolidate the design centers with others that were currently serving the same market area.[8]
In 2009, the company laid off 238 workers from Beecher Falls, Vermont; 93 workers remained.[9]"
Replace with:
"In the 1990s, Ethan Allen had 30 manufacturing plants; The company consolidated operations to keep manufacturing in North America, shoring up key U.S. locations and opening more workshops south of the border. [citation of Leaders Magazine given below]. In 2004, Ethan Allen closed its two plants in Boonville, New York, and Bridgewater, Virginia, laying off 250 each.[7] In 2009, the company laid off 238 workers from Beecher Falls, Vermont; 93 workers remained.[9] The company acquired its Silao, Mexico, workshops in 2007 [citation for Silao purchase] ”Ethan Allen says unit buys manufacturing facility” Reuters October 26, 2007. and its Honduras plant in 2011. [citation for Honduras purchase]
In 2008, the company announced plans to close a dozen design centers. The decision was made to consolidate the design centers with others that were currently serving the same market area.[8] In its most recent 10-K filing, the company announced that it had relocated design centers in Skokie, Illinois, and San Jose, California, during fiscal year 2023, and announced plans to open design centers in The Villages, Florida; New York City, New York; and Avon, Ohio, in fiscal year 2024. 
* Why it should be changed:
Beginning with the current third paragraph in History, there are three short paragraphs about factory and design center closings before 2010. I am requesting to 1) provide factual contextual information about the factory closings, including the purchase of additional factories in Mexico and Honduras; and 2) to place the Design Center closings in a separate paragraph, also identifying recent relocations and openings.
* References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):
For consolidation of plants: 
For Silao purchase: 
For Honduras purchase: 
For Design Center relocations and openings: 
REQUEST 7
* What I think should be changed (include citations):
In History, in the final paragraph, update "shares the same ticker symbol" to "shared the same ticker symbol." Then add an additional sentence following that one: "Ethan Allen updated its ticker symbol to ETD on August 16, 2021."
* Why it should be changed:
Ethan Allen updated its ticker symbol.
* References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):
Thank you for taking the time to review these requests. Jleewriter208 (talk) 19:09, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: To be clear, I asked for page numbers to be provided in my reply on the 18th of September because the document is 76 pages long and I assumed that you would agree that the reviewer ought not be expected to read 76 pages in order to review your request. You replied on the 20th of September  But then you did no such thing — up to and including today — because I still don't see page numbers anywhere in your request. I cannot discuss the relevance of this source until I see what information it is providing. For me to do that, you need to provide page numbers. Regards,  Spintendo  19:41, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The next steps were not clear to me. I thought you were vetoing the 10-K as a source altogether, not telling me to redo with page numbers. Within the next couple of days, I will come back to this thread and redo the change request, providing citations to Ethan Allen's investor relations site that link to a PDF with page numbers. Hopefully, that will make review less cumbersome. Thanks. Jleewriter208 (talk) 21:17, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be much appreciated if you did so. However, please be aware that previous posts made by you should not be retroactively altered unless they follow the guidelines under WP:REDACT. Those guidelines mandate using underlined font to indicate added text and strikeout font to indicate deleted text. A new timestamp (5 tildes) should also use underlined font and be posted directly after (but not superimposed over) the old timestamp. Any changes made by you to previous talk page posts which do not follow those guidelines will be reverted. As an alternative to this, an entirely new edit request containing page numbers may be added following this reply post at the bottom of the talk page under a new level 2 heading. Regards,  Spintendo  22:29, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed changes from COI editor 

message: REQUEST 1
* What I think should be changed:
First paragraph:' 
Delete "an American furniture chain with about 300 stores (called Design Centers) across the United States, Canada, Europe, the Middle East and Asia."
Replace with "a manufacturer and retailer of home furnishings, incorporated in Delaware with executive offices in Danbury, Connecticut. As of June 30, 2023, the company reported net annual sales of $791.4 million.
* Why it should be changed:
1) In addition to being a retailer, Ethan Allen manufactures the majority of its products. 2) The company has headquarters in America but has locations in multiple countries. 3) The number of Design Centers is out of date; I recommend deleting the numbers and locations here and presenting the locations and updated numbers beneath Operations, which I will add as an additional request. 4) The net annual sales are out of date. Recommend updating with the figures reported in Ethan Allen's latest 10-K filing.
* References supporting the possible change: 
For business overview, including the addition of "manufacturer": 
For update to net annual sales: 
REQUEST 2
* What I think should be changed:
Delete the sentence "It is one of the largest furniture companies in the United States" from Operations, paragraph 1.
Add "It is one of the largest furniture companies in the United States" to the end of the introduction.
* Why it should be changed:
This is an editorial preference only: This seems more appropriately placed in the introduction rather than in Operations because it is a summary statement about the business rather than just its operations.
* References supporting the possible change:
N/A
REQUEST 3
* What I think should be changed:
In Operations, delete "As of 2020, Ethan Allen has 304 design centers domestically and abroad, nine manufacturing facilities in the United States, Mexico, and Honduras, and 14 retail delivery centers located across the United States and Canada as of 2019, along with sales of $589.8 million.[1]
The company makes customized furniture domestically (Maiden, NC), such as upholstered furniture, sofas, and chairs, custom made in a selected fabric.[3][4]"
Replace with: "As of June 30, 2023, Ethan Allen operates 139 retail design centers, with 135 located in the United States and four in Canada. Additional design centers are operated by independent licensees located in the U.S., Asia (including the Middle East), and Europe.
The company also owns and operates ten manufacturing facilities, including four manufacturing plants, one sawmill, one rough mill, and one kiln-dry lumberyard in the United States, two manufacturing plants in Mexico, and one manufacturing plant in Honduras. Approximately 75% of the company’s products are manufactured in those North American manufacturing plants. As of June 30, 2023, the company owned approximately 2.6 million square feet of manufacturing capacity. 
The company also operates a logistics network consisting of three company-owned distribution centers in Virginia and North Carolina. Design centers are then supported by 17 company-operated home delivery centers and nine delivery centers operated by third parties. 
The company crafts customized upholstered furniture, such as sofas, sectionals, chairs, and upholstered beds made to order in a selected fabric, in North America (Maiden, NC, and Silao, Guanajuato, Mexico). The company also makes customized case goods, such as dining and occasional tables, custom desks, media cabinets, wood chairs, and more in Orleans, Vermont, and in Choloma, Cortes, Honduras." 
* Why it should be changed:
To better explain Ethan Allen's operations by providing information from the company's most recent 10-K filing and annual report, including correct quantities of design centers and stating that there are additional design centers operated by independent licensees; updating the number of manufacturing plants and providing detail of each, stating that 75% of Ethan Allen products are made in those plants; providing details on the company's distribution/logistics network; adding more details about the furniture categories manufactured by Ethan Allen, and in which manufacturing plants they are made; taking out "domestically," which implies Ethan Allen's manufacturing is U.S. only.
* References supporting the possible change:
For updating the number of Design Centers and manufacturing plants, stating % of products made in those plants, and adding the number of distribution and home delivery centers: 
For providing the total square footage of all manufacturing facilities: 
For specifying what products are made where: 
REQUEST 4
* What I think should be changed:
In History, add an additional paragraph beneath the current first paragraph:
Ancell is known as the inventor of the gallery showroom concept, in which arrangements of furniture are showcased in designed room settings. The company first deployed the concept in department stores for which it was a vendor and then, in the 1960s, in its own furniture galleries. 
* Why it should be changed:
This is a noteworthy addition to the existing information about the company's founder.
* References supporting the possible change:
REQUEST 5
* What I think should be changed:
In Operations, delete the first sentence of the current second paragraph: "In 1972, Ethan Allen moved its headquarters from New York City to Danbury, Connecticut."
Replace with:
"In 1972, the Baumritter Corporation moved its headquarters from New York City to Danbury, Connecticut. In the late 1970s, the Baumritter Corporation officially changed its name to Ethan Allen."
* Why it should be changed:
At the time of the move to Danbury, the company was not yet called Ethan Allen. This edit establishes that the name was changed in the late 1970s following the relocation.
* References supporting the possible change:
REQUEST 6
* What I think should be changed (include citations):
Delete "In 2004, Ethan Allen closed its two plants in Boonville, New York and Bridgewater, Virginia, laying off 250 each.[7]
In 2008, the company announced plans to close a dozen design centers. The decision was made to consolidate the design centers with others that were currently serving the same market area.[8]
In 2009, the company laid off 238 workers from Beecher Falls, Vermont; 93 workers remained.[9]"
Replace with:
"In the 1990s, Ethan Allen had 30 manufacturing plants. The company consolidated operations to keep manufacturing in North America, shoring up key U.S. locations and opening more workshops south of the border. In 2004, Ethan Allen closed its two plants in Boonville, New York, and Bridgewater, Virginia, laying off 250 each. In 2009, the company laid off 238 workers from Beecher Falls, Vermont; 93 workers remained. The company acquired its Silao, Mexico, workshops in 2007  and its Honduras plant in 2011. 
In 2008, the company announced plans to close a dozen design centers. The decision was made to consolidate the design centers with others that were currently serving the same market area. In its most recent 10-K filing, the company announced that it had relocated design centers in Skokie, Illinois, and San Jose, California, during fiscal year 2023, and announced plans to open design centers in The Villages, Florida; New York City, New York; and Avon, Ohio, in fiscal year 2024. 
* Why it should be changed:
Beginning with the current third paragraph in History, there are three short paragraphs about factory and design center closings before 2010. I am requesting to 1) provide factual contextual information about the factory closings, including the purchase of additional factories in Mexico and Honduras; and 2) to place the Design Center closings in a separate paragraph, also identifying recent relocations and openings.
* References supporting the possible change:
For consolidation of plants: 
For Silao purchase: 
For Honduras purchase: 
For Design Center relocations and openings: 
REQUEST 7
* What I think should be changed:
In History, in the final paragraph, update "shares the same ticker symbol" to "shared the same ticker symbol." Then add an additional sentence following that one: "Ethan Allen updated its ticker symbol to ETD on August 16, 2021."
* Why it should be changed:
Ethan Allen updated its ticker symbol.
* References supporting the possible change:
REQUEST 8
* What I think should be changed: In Manufacturing Plants section, delete the bulleted list as is and update as follows with H3s to denote the types of furniture specific to the groups of plants, as well as the currently operating list of plants:
* Beecher Falls, VT (sawmill and machining)'
* Orleans, VT (machining, veneering, and finishing)
* Old Fort/Pine Valley, NC (lumber processing)'
* Choloma, Cortes, Honduras (machining through finishing
* Maiden/Claremont, NC (fabric upholstery)'
*Silao, Guanajuato, Mexico (fabric and leather upholstery)
* Why it should be changed:
To reflect the most current information
* References supporting the possible change:
Thank you.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jleewriter208 (talk • contribs) 09:23, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resubmission of COI Edit Request with Page Numbers 

message: #  Request 1 was implemented.
#  Request 2 was not implemented.
#  Request 3 was not implemented. The text in this section was largely sourced to the company's form 10K. The Wikipedia article is not an extension of the company's government filings.
#  Request 4 was not added, because the requested prose stated  but did not state by whom that was known. Implementing this sentence would have necessitated a  inline maintenance template to have been applied to the sentence.
#  Request 5 was implemented.
#  Request 6 was not implemented. The closings that are discussed in this section are well referenced or else the COI editor has not given reasons why this information is otherwise incorrect. In any event, Wikipedia is not meant to be a comprehensive record of plant/design center openings and closings.
#  Request 8 was implemented.
Regards,  Spintendo  23:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 12-OCT-2023

message: * What I think should be changed:
Update financials in infobox to match 2023 10K, which is most current.
| revenue          =   (2023)
| operating_income =  US$137.2 million (2023)
| net_income       =  US$105.8 million (2023)
| assets           =  US$745.5 million (2023)
| equity           =  US$471.0 million (2023)
| num_employees    = 3,748 (June 30, 2023)
* Why it should be changed:
Current information shows financials from 2020, which are not the most current.
* References supporting the possible change:
For revenue, operating income, and net income 
For total assets and total equity 
For number of employees 
Thank you.
Jleewriter208 (talk) 14:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: CloakedFerret (talk) 21:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: COI edit request