Talk:Khreshchatyk/Archive 1

message: We lack references heavily: most of us visited the street and need no sources. That's wrong for WP readers :(.
And the printed sources seem to be the biggest problem. Any ideas, except this one:
Вулиці Києва, Довідник" УЕ, Київ-1995 ?
(going to add it right now)
: If there are any particular facts that appear to require a reference, place  where a citation should go, like so .  We can have a look at our books and see if we can find a reference.  —Michael Z. 2006-01-8 06:57 Z
Got the online ref about demolition: http://spilka.onestop.net/library/kreschatik.html
--Irpen 00:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Khreschatyk=cross - is it official version? Or it is just "deduction" which from one hand seems quite obvious, but could be wrong. There is also a plant khreschatyy barvinok that loves groving in valleys.--Bryndza 15:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My source is the 1986 Kiev encyclopedia listed among the references. --Ghirla | talk 19:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethymology

message: A minor question: why trying to avoid the fact that Khreschatyk is the main and best known street of Kyiv? :)) Just curious... Ukrained 20:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it because "Main" doesn't seem right to me, but OTOH, I am not a native speaker. The "main street", IMO could only apply to the much smaller places than Kiev, places that are built around one street. Khreschatyk is a center street, it is certainly a best known one (perhaps Andrew's Descent (Andriivsky Uzviz) rivals it with fame, another red link BTW). Main? Not so sure. Michael, you are the native speaker. I will leave that to you. --Irpen 06:26, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is definitely ''main'' and ''best known'' 

message: Is there a reason we are using the transliteration Khreschatyk?  In Google it has a very slight edge over Khreshchatyk, with shch for щ, but the latter is our usual way of transliterating Ukrainian.  Yes, it's further complicated by the fact that the former version goes by the official Ukrainian system for geographic names, but so far we've only used that for political entities.  —Michael Z. 2006-01-9 06:21 Z
:Either way is fine with me. or we can wait, I don't care. Under whatever name it goes to DYK, is unimportant IMO. We can always rename the article, it's no biggy. --Irpen 06:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to ask the very same question... Halibutt 04:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration 

message: This article is now on the Main page in DYK.  Thanks everyone who contributed.  This was a good group effort.  —Michael Z. 2006-01-10 06:21 Z
:Yes, I keep doing small changes perhaps some of them useless. It may need another copyedit. I found some known to me blunders in some of the listed sources. So, the facts I used from them may also have an error or two that I didn't know of.
: As long as we don't politicize this article too much (that is not going too deep into history) that may spark edit wars, this can be bielt up to WP:FA. The subject is well-studied and there are plenty of books and articles. 
:Thanks all, and especially the newcomers. What's next for DYK? Andrew's Descent? Whatever we choose, plan carefully because the DYK submission should be made within 72 hours after the article's appearance. Writing a stub that "A. D. is the historic street of Kiev" without being ready to expand it quickly, would disqualify the article from the DYK. Not that DYK is everything of course :). --Irpen 06:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khreschatyk is on the main page 

message: Because Khreshchatik and Maidan were originally designed as a single architectural project I propose they be merged into a single article. Since it is impossible to mention one without the other.  --Kuban kazak 13:18, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is something for that from our Metro community:  --Kuban kazak 20:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I oppose a merger fiercely. Ukrained 22:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, there won't be. I already removed the merge template. --Irpen 22:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge Proposal

message: This page has been protected until you work out your differences on the talk page. When you think you've come to an agreement, please request unprotection. —BorgHunter ubx (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The edit conflict there was rather slow going and there were no wild revert wars. As such, there is no need to keep the article locked. That's just my opinion of course. --Irpen 16:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be better to avoid any revert war, even a slow one. I proposed to create Talk:Khreschatyk/Working version and try to find a consensus there.--AndriyK 19:11, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Let's look what Bryndza wrote a few days ago. This is you who ignore other user's opinion. Let's switch to the working version. Hopefully you'll learn to accept compromises.--AndriyK 19:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: By the way, Irpen, please stop provoking edit wars over every single unimportant point. Your prosperous Pechersk is certainly irrelevant to the article on Khreschatyk. Even it was, I deleted the erroneous info. At the time in question, Pechersk was merely a slobidka around Kiev fortress and Lavra, not a modern elite district.
Of course you know that. I'm afraid you didn't mean to discuss something with me or other non-pro-Russian editors :). Just like in the case with occupying states listing. I guess you just wanted to troll me  - in order to keep me and my objections to more important pages out of WP. But I'm back here and going to watch the edits of your group. Have you finished your version of History of christianity? Cause I'm going to examine it thoroughly.
I won't engage in edit war over the passage reverted by you - mostly to demonstrate my reasonability and peacefullness. But my point must be presented here. Ukrained 22:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent trolling