Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Stargate task force/Archive 5

message: I've started a poll on Talk:Stargate (device) about whether we should split the complexities section into a new article.  Please let us know what you think. --Tango 17:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll - Split Complexities from Stargate (Device) 

message: Earlier this month, there was a disussion here about how stargate infinity is a joke, and how even the most hardcore stargate fans (like me) have never even seen it.  Because of this, I think we should remove it from the topics template, because it detracts attention from SG-1 and atlantis, which are far more important.  Tobyk777 07:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just no. Wikipedia isn't about the fans. It's an indiscriminate database of neutral information. Stargate includes Stargate Infinity, end of story. the infinity article already explains it isnt canon and that's enough really. -- Alfakim --  talk  07:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Stargate infinity from the Topics template

message: I've set up a better system for this, if any of you are interested. You can vote on the next project-featured article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stargate/Featured. -- Alfakim --  talk  08:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Featured article 

message: Looking at the tech section on Ori (Stargate), it's way longer than it needs to be.  Ori technology is linked to as the main article, yet the section on the main Ori page is almost as long as the ori tech article.  There is simply too much junk in the section, some of which is OR.  Almost everything in the section is redundant, and some things are just non-sense, (for example frequencies corespoding to colors).  We need to do some major trimming and reworking of that section if not a total rewrite.  Tobyk777 07:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How's that?  I've basically removed it all and added a short summary.  Anything else can go in the main article (I think most if not all of it already is). --Tango 12:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahhh... because some of that stuff was quite good. So long as its in the main article instead, that's fine. -- Alfakim --  talk  15:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can merge from an old version.  I think most of the good stuff is already there. --Tango 18:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It looks much better now, good job.  Tobyk777 20:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Junking up the technology section of the Ori page

message: Hi, I think that we should move List of technology in the Stargate universe to List of main technologies in the Stargate universe.  I think the latter is a more acurate title since it no longer lists every technology and since we have subpages for each race.  Tobyk777 20:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer the simpler name.  As long as the subpages are linked to from the list, it's effective a list of all tech, just in multiple layers. --Tango 00:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: Point 9 states that only pages in the article namespace may use fair use images. You can see our internal debate at Portal talk:Stargate. I have this proposal to create an exception to Point 9 of the Fair Use policy for portals; I'm not asking for support; I'm asking for comment. Thanks. Lockesdonkey 21:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have my support and you're right.  It's something that everyone here ignores.  But, In bringing this up: more people who want our destruction have come about.  Tobyk777 23:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If I correctly understood his complaint, it isn't something that couldn't be changed. For example, in episode articles, we could include fan ratings (for example, from GateWorld), and the opinions of  critical reviewers (I know GateWorld has some reviews, and most of them are there, in the External links). Also, if you use one of the "External links" for writing or fact checking, try moving it into a References section per WP:EL. Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 23:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your're right and we could probably do better, but he said that he wanted our deletion, not our improvement.  I left a message on his talk page.  Tobyk777 23:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  They seem like an Immediatist. Or maybe they just didn't think of the possible solutions. I'm not sure. But your comment on their talk page seems reasonable, maybe they'll provide a more specific critique. Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 23:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point 9 of the Fair use policy and portals 

message: I went through all of the subcategories of :Category:Stargate and prepended all of the talk pages for the articles within them with the  template.  Barring any uncategorized articles, and providing I knew what I was doing over the last 263 edits), they should all be templated.  Can I use "templated" as a word?  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 01:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great job! Sure, you can use "templated" as a word, at least on talk pages. : ) Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 01:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good Job Tobyk777 02:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice work -- Alfakim --  talk  02:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|stargateproject}} 

message: If y'all want to upgrade the Wikipedia:Barnstar_and_award_proposals#Stargate_Barnstar from PUA to Wikiproject Award, please go support the idea. --evrik 17:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just gave my support, but I don't really understand the diffrence between A star and a barnstar.  Also the award holders list was incomplete I just completed it.  I think it has everyone now.  Tobyk777 18:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Award

message: i just dont get this quote at all:
:Dr. McKay: "No no no no, he just doesn't like going through the Stargate."
:Maj. Sheppard: "He's worse than Dr. McCoy."
:Teyla: "Who?"
:Maj. Sheppard: "The character that Dr. Beckett plays in real life."
please someone explain the joke here. -- Alfakim --  talk  00:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I to do not get this...  American Patriot 1776 01:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's one of Stargate's many inside jokes.  Sometimes you just don't get them.  There have been a few confusing to me.  But if you do get them, they're halarious.  It's another great thing about Stargate.  Tobyk777 03:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: RDA was the best at this type of thing.  When he was on the show Stargate was as funny as stand up comedy.  Tobyk777 03:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutly.  I mean come on, Mary Steenburgen?  :) American Patriot 1776 03:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I understand your comment.  Tobyk777 04:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One of O'Neills random comments in Urgo, claiming that she was "hot". American Patriot 1776 01:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: O'Neill mentions her quite often. That, and his favourite colour being peredoe (or however it's spelt). --Tango 13:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "peridot". Lockesdonkey 15:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sga quote 

message: is currently in use for all episode articles. There is a proposed complete rewrite of the template at Template:TVep/2. Please see the points for why this might be good or bad, and suggest whether this should go through. P.S. the template ultimately gives exactly the same output, but with more customisability. -- Alfakim --  talk  01:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know enough about making templates to have a clue what thisn discusion is about.  I'll leave it to the experts.  As an expert in this project and in templates, I'm sure that Aflakim will represent us well.  (I know I sound like a stupid idiot right now.)  Tobyk777 03:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TVep 

message: Hi, on our FL, List of Stargate SG-1 episodes's talk page, members of the List of TV episodes project have discussed how the list has been a huge sucess for both project, since it falls into both project's catagories.  I then proposed that the two projects work togther and corodiate to co-produce a second FL with List of Stargate Atlantis episodes.  I think that if the two projects work toghther, we can quickly and easily make another FL.  I made the proposal on their projects page as well as on the our current FL's talk page.  Please keep the thread in one place by responding to this comment at Talk:List of Stargate SG-1 episodes#Looking for more participants for WikiProject List of Television Episodes.  Thanks Tobyk777 08:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Project corodination

message: I was just turing the cites on our timeline into inline citations, but when I saved the page it cam out really screwed up and I don't know what I did wrong.  Someone please take a look.  Tobyk777 08:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we have a link? Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 17:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Timeline of Stargate Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 17:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks like its already been fixed. Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 17:58, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I fixed it, but I reverted most of the changes afterwards anyway, it was better before.  The problem was simply butting the / at the wrong end of the tag.  it's /ref, not ref/.  The slash only goes at the end if you've only got one tag, not an opening on and a closing one. --Tango 18:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Help

message: I moved the page from Kelowna (Stargate SG-1) to Langara (Stargate SG-1), because Langara is the planet, Kelowna is a country. I don't really know where to begin modifying the Kelowna page into Langara, so can someone please do this? Biscuit Knight 09:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded the page to fit the new name a little better. --Tango 13:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved it to Langara (Stargate), as per our naming convention. Lockesdonkey 00:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Langara 

message: Which one should we use?  It would make sense if it was American seeing as the show is American.  Just curious.  American Patriot 1776 00:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:MoS#Disputes over style issues. I would say that while American English may be slightly preferable (because the characters are mostly Americans), it is not substantial enough to change articles from British to American English. Keep in mind that Stargate is broadcast in a wide variety of English-speaking countries, often in England and Canada before the United States. Also, some editors like me have been too influenced by both to use a single style consistently, and some editors are only familiar with the style used in their own country. Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 00:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it matters.  I'm an American, so my entries are written in American English.  However, I won't "correct" British English because both are correct and reflect the wide range appeal of both Stargate and Wikipedia.  --Bark 14:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: American does indeed make sense, but let's just stick to general WP policy of everyone writing in what they know best.  If you're quoting, quote in whatever English the character speaks (generally American, but not always), but otherwise, just make it up as you go along, it doesn't really matter. --Tango 21:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's important to note, however, that the entire article should use the same type of English - so if the majority of the article is already written, you should stick to the type used in the article - to the best of your ability. --Tim4christ17 21:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  American or British english? 

message: In order to resolve the long standing debate over fair use of screenshots on List of Lost episodes, I am now trying to resolve the issue under the belief that the issue is an opinionated matter and not a matter of policy. Talk:List of Lost episodes#Fair use criteria number 8.  I ask that people share their comments, but please try to keep the conversation in this section focused.
One thing that works against us is that the conversation tries to defend too many points at once. Try not to respond to comments about other aspects of the debate, and just take this one step at a time. Basically, respond if you think this is an opinionated matter regarding policy point 8 of WP:FUC or not.
I believe if we can break through on the issue of point 8, the rest will fall into place. -- Ned Scott 08:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshots as fair use 

message: Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team previously contacted you to identify the quality articles in your WikiProject, and now we need a few more favors. We would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in offline releases of Wikipedia based on their importance, regardless of quality. So far we have a list of 11 articles, but are there any important topics not listed that we should know about?  We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 1.0 (not yet open) and later versions.  Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please keep updating your Arts WikiProject article table for articles of high quality (B or higher). If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist automatically for you, please contact us.  Please feel free to post your suggestions right here.  Thanks! Walkerma 01:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0 

message: I haven't evaluated them based on whether they should have articles.  Just recorded the ones that have links to them, but no articles OR actors who are listed in a character template.  I also did NOT list directors/writers in the list.   If there's already a list like this somewhere (or a place for this list) that I missed, feel free to move this stuff there. --Tim4christ17 01:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not exactly sure what point you are making or if you are making one at all.  You said that none of these are in character templates.  All of them are.  Please be more clear on what you are trying to say.  Tobyk777 03:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry - I meant that they ARE linked to in the template, but that the link went to a non-existant page.  My "point" was only that there are quite a few Stargate person/character-related articles that could be started, and I was providing a list so people interested in starting articles would be able find them more easily.  --Tim4christ17 03:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters/Actors without articles 

message: One of the articles i have created has been tagged with the logo for your group, however i did not create the article with any intentions of stargate. Are you taking the recognition? I dont have much information of Prout as the IMDB only supplies limited information any other infortmation known about this actress could be added to her page . (Neostinker 17:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I expect it was added as she played a role in the episode Birthright (Stargate SG-1) and is also mentioned in the article Jaffa (Stargate) Morphh 18:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:OWN.  American Patriot 1776 20:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WikiProjects aren't a way of claiming articles or anything like that. Displaying a project banner is a way of saying, we've set aside a place on wikipedia where anyone can talk about stargate issues that could possibly affect a large number of articles including this one.  This is a common misunderstanding with people who are unfamiliar with WikiProjects.  See Wikipedia:WikiProject. -- Ned Scott 20:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, I also just removed your signature in the actual article.  That is noit permited.  And the WP:OWN was direted at Neostinker, not the project.  American Patriot 1776 21:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kirsten Prout

message: Seen as you guys know me on Wikipedia better than any others, I'd really appreciate any comments on my RfA, just to add to the discussion if nothing else :). --Alfakim-- talk 22:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm on RfA 

message: Topics that wander into "point of view", fandom, or just too much detail for an encyclopedia may be more appropriate on the Stargate Wikia and Stargate Wikia (Spanish).  The Wikis complement each other.  The Wikia has many references to Wikipedia articles, and Wikipedians would be welcome contributors to the Wikia.  (Please keep in mind that although the sites are similar, there are content and stylistic differences.)  --CocoaZen 05:06, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikia

message: Seems some editors from the WikiProject Computer and video games want to remove the spoiler template and usage all together.  Stargate articles show some excellent uses of the spoiler tag, and I thought you guys might want to add your input. See Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning. -- Ned Scott 21:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't read the spoiler warning thread yet but it seems to make sense to me to remove them in most articles.  I can see the need on normal webpages but this is an encyclopedia.  "Spoiler Warnings" just seems un-encyclopedic.  IMHO, we're stating the obvious. Morphh 21:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but most encyclopedias don't have articles on Stargate SG-1 or Cowboy Bebop. Not only that, but we're not a paper encyclopedic, and we're highly connected to internet culture.  Has the term spoiler warning even existed for very long?  Wiki is far more likely to include deep details than your average bookcase encyclopedia, let alone deal with TV show topics that are current and active, and who's articles can be edited so fast. In other words, it's not a problem in other encyclopedias.  Simple saying "un-encyclopedic" doesn't seem to.. mean much here.. Wikipedia is covering a lot of new ground, and you can't really compare this to what "the other guys" are doing. The very fact that spoiler warnings are exemptions from WP:SELF should tell you something about how this whole issue is treated differently than the norm'. -- Ned Scott 21:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They might have a point though.  Basically EVERYTHING you read in a SG article is a spoiler.  It might not be such a bad idea.  American Patriot 1776 04:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but SG spoiler warnings tell you which season they're spoiling for, and which they are not. -- Ned Scott 05:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Every SG article containing spoilers doesn't mean we should warn.  If there was a central place we could be sure everyone would read before reading other SG articles, then we could just put the warning there, but there is no such place, so the warning has to go on every article. --Tango 12:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Spoiler warnings are important because they warn those who are reading the article for a "general idea" about something - or looking for information they've missed, but don't want "future events" revealed to them.   And on the flip side, people who don't care if they see spoilers aren't hurt by seeing a spoiler tag.   So by having them, we're helping one side while not hurting the other; while not having them would be hurting one side while not helping the other. --Tim4christ17 01:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  spoiler tags