Talk:Kai Tak Airport

message: Hi, I was reading a page call Kai Tak International Airport of Hong Kong. The encyclopedia said "the airport was located north of Kowloon Bay"
This is the diagram of the geography:
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airport   |                        NW    N
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  \  \    \                           \  |
   \  \    \   Kowloon Bay       W ____\_|______ E
    \  \    \                            |
     \  \    \_______________            |
      \_/                                |
                                         S
I changed a word north to northwest. but u guys change it back. I thought that my imformation was pretty accurate since I have lived in Hong Kong for a long time and I am pretty good with geography. So can i ask why u change it back? Thank you very much. (Anon, via an email to the Board) - Angela 20:54, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
:Here's (the top right quadrant) an old map showing the old coastlines that I've found (compare with a recent satellite picture). The apron, passenger terminal and cargo terminal were actually built on reclaimed lands in the northern part of the bay, and the runway extends from that area towards the southeast into the bay. — Instantnood 17:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what Anon refers to is Kowloon Bay the district. Even the Kowloon Bay article is talking about the district and body of water interchangingly. I have raised a discussion in that article. We need to clarify that we are referring to Kowloon Bay the body of water here instead. --Kvasir 06:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kowloon Bay never a district, but an area/non-administrative neighbourhood that have disputed boundary. While Kowloon City District has it official / legal boundary. Matthew hk (talk) 12:11, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: North or northwest?

message: This article, not sure for what reasons, has been existed under this title since it was created. Nevertheless, the airport itself has never been called "Kai Tak International Airport". It was originally known as "Kai Tak Airport", and was later renamed "Hong Kong International Airport". Despite the official name was changed, the old name remains popular, and is frequently used to differentiate from the new airport of the same name which replaced it.
I would like to propose to change the title as "Kai Tak Airport", which was one of the names that the airport has been known as. (I understand this move can be performed with the move button, but since this article has been here with this title for more than 2 years, I'm not too sure if the move would upset anybody.) — Instantnood 17:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
*Support. — Instantnood 17:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Add any additional comments
*Moved from WP:RM as per WP:RM policy: google "kai tak international airport" on site:hongkongairport.com comes up with a hit for the term.  The official airport authority uses the term (I have no idea in what context), but it's not like this article is currently at a the wrong name. This discussion is continued at the talk page of the article, not here. SchmuckyTheCat 18:19, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Add any additional comments
*Moved from WP:RM as per WP:RM policy: google "kai tak international airport" on site:hongkongairport.com comes up with a hit for the term.  The official airport authority uses the term (I have no idea in what context), but it's not like this article is currently at a the wrong name. This discussion is continued at the talk page of the article, not here. SchmuckyTheCat 18:19, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Page moved as requested. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 20:40, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Decision

message: Airports often have several different names, the official one under-which it is known to the local civil aviation authority that issues the aerodrome operator's licence and which is on the actual licence, and another name given by the airport operating company. That is why airport names sometimes change for marketing purposes, although the 'proper' name that is on the operator's licence usually will not, as that will also be the name by which the airport is known to the ICAO.
For example, the operators of Liverpool airport changed its name from "Speke Airport" to "Liverpool John Lennon Airport" a while back, although I suspect the operator's licence still refers to it as 'Speke Airport'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.115.127 (talk) 11:07, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Some of the language in this article seems a little inappropriate for an encyclopedia entry - hijackers 'taken down'...the view of the turning aircraft being 'quite the thrill'
ahpook 15:06, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language in article 

message: "Another challenge for the landing is the relatively short runway for large aircraft"
The article also says the runway was 11,122ft long -- that is a relatively long runway for any aircraft.  By comparison, the longest runway at KLAX is 12,091ft, the longest runway at KEWR is 11,000ft and these are both major US airports that serve heavy traffic.  Even if 11,000ft was short, it wouldn't be a factor for the landing distance since runway length is a more significant factor for takeoff roll distance.
"Consequently, aircraft must land accurately at the landing spot at where the runway starts or face the risk of overrunning the runway and end up in the sea.
This is not an unusual characteristic for an airport.  KBOS, KSFO, KJFK, etc, all have runway configurations that are adjacent to water.  It would be good to get a pilot who has flown into this airport to edit this article; it seems to be be written more by observers and lacks the technical accuracy that would be more valuable for an encyclopedia.  Dbchip 01:09, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 13 approach 

message: Is it still used as a golf course? - jlao 04 08:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golf course 

message: Were these businesses really there?  Are they still?  I thought the airport site has been razed.  In any case they seem rather irrelevant to this article.
* DFS Kai Tak Market
* Hagen Das (sic)
* Tin Tin Airport Restaurant
--tess 22:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Businesses at Kai Tak

message: I changed the ICAO name back to VHHH. It had recently been changed by a user to VHHX. The only time I remember VHHX being used was during the last 2 week cycle in the navigation database. Hong Kong kept the ICAO VHHH identifier for the new airport and pilots had to have a way to make sure the plane "went" to the correct airport. It was just a database thing.
airboyd (talk) 18:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your evidence/source? I thought it had always been known as VHHX because when the ICAO codes went from three to four characters, every airport had an X added to the end. So the airport went from VHH to VHHX. The new airport has always been VHHH because there was no reason to keep the X, and two airports cannot have the same code. This same reasoning applies to airports like KLAX. http://www.skygod.com/asstd/abc.html Yos233 (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're wrong. Very very wrong. I have no clues what you're talking about. HkCaGu (talk) 10:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: ICAO

message: I have heard more than once that pilots required special qualifications or seniority to land at Kai Tak.  The article refers to the challenges of the approach, but never mentions any restrictions.  Is anyone aware of the correct factual position?  If true, it should probably get included.
--Legis (talk - contribs) 08:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Video on YouTube of a BA Concorde 'greasing in' at Kai Tak back in 1996 here:   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.147.13 (talk) 19:33, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: All pilots flying into the old Kai Tak airport had to have special simulator training for that specific IGS 13 approach. Then, for a Captain to command a flight to Kai Tak, he had to have "Special Airport" IOE (initial operating experience) training, with a certified "Check Captain" sitting in the right seat. Then, he had to be signed off as qualified to fly that approach, once he came off "high minimums" (after an initial amount of time in that aircraft, usually 100 hours). EditorASC (talk) 09:20, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Special pilot qualifications?

message: This article contains conflicting statements regarding the final departure from the airport on closing night. The list of 'lasts' has it departing at 01:05 but two paragraphs later it is described as departing at 01:28. Either one is wrong, or the different times require clarification (e.g. 01:05 was the time it started moving and 01:28 was the moment its wheels left the ground). Rich (talk) 00:54, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final flight 

message: I know the airport pages of Wikipedia seem to be heavily "policed" so rather than going straight in and editing, I'm going to point out something here in talk.
Is the 1967 Cathay Pacific crash mentioned here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathay_Pacific#Accidents_and_incidents - missing from Kai Tak incidents? It does seem to be a "real thing" as my mother lived there near the time and it was mentioned enough to me that it's been repeated to me a lot.
Thanks 
Escottf (talk) 12:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: CPA crash

message: I changed the romanisation of 啟德機場 in the infobox from Yale to Jyutping, which is the modern de facto standard, but it was reverted back. Any reason this is the case, or is there a previous discussion that I missed? Vatnið (talk) 10:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cantonese romanisation 

message: When I first saw this, I started to correct "very final last" to simply "final," but then I noticed the repeated use of the phrase further along in the article. I then noticed that the article is written in "Hong Kong English." However, I didn't see this phrase or anything similar as an example of something unique to HKE. Could someone tell me if "very final last" would be acceptable in HKE and thus preferred in this article to "final"? Rontrigger (talk) 23:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very final last?