Talk:John du Pont

message: Someone just put John's death date as somewhere in 2002. But there is no valid source or news as to whether or not he's dead so I am removing it.
Spokenwordsegment (talk) 23:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed unsourced material 

message: "John duPont was a competitive wrestler. duPont's only wrestling experience prior to taking up the sport in his late 50's was as a freshman in high school. He began competing again at the age of 55 in the 1992 Veteran's World Championships in Cali, Colombia; in 1993 in Toronto, Canada; in 1994 in Rome, Italy; and in 1995 in Sofia, Bulgaria. He never placed lower than fourth place in any of these championships. [16]. For this age group, duPont competed only in weight classes that had no other competitors or he lost to other veteran wrestlers. He never won a competitive match in actual competition."
Linked site only collaborates one of these wins, 94 in Rome.  There is no citation for the claims that he never won a competitive match in actual competition.  I'm switching it over to citation needed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.95.101.194 (talk) 00:25, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrestling 

message: John du Pont was not involved in what we commonly call "triathlon" today ("swim-bike-run").  He was involved in promoting a subset of the Modern Pentathlon, "run-swim-shoot", which was also labeled "triathlon".  So I changed the athletics section to reflect this, eliminating the links to today's "triathlon" (swim-bike-run).
Wiredknight (talk) 23:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triathlon 

message: The John Eleuthère du Pont#Athletics section first says, Du Pont was "an accomplished athlete", then the para. at the end contradicts this statement. Comments ? - 220.101 talk\Contribs 11:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Athelete or not? 

message: It's obviously pertinent; and a reader shouldn't have to scour the article to discover this material fact.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.216.129.105 (talk) 23:25, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This and other content added to Lede to provide fuller view of his life.Parkwells (talk) 16:28, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The introduction should mention he died in prison 

message: Rather than listing his books under one of the subheading, I propose to create a separate bibliography at the end of the article which would be more in keeping with other biographies. I would also like to remove the parts referring to DuPont education at the University of Pennsylvania since he only attended the University for less than one year and it's not clear that course work even contributed to his degree from the University of Miami. Pjefts (talk) 21:09, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the books, I agree with putting them in a bibliography.  Were any of his books particularly notable (and I don't know if that's the case) mention of them in the body would be appropriate, but barring that, lists of his books belong in a bibliography.  Regarding the University of Pennsylvania, I see your point. However, accounts of his life on the net and in books do often refer to his time at U of P, and mention in the body would seem to me to be appropriate.  I did, though, just made a non-controversial edit to the body removing the uncited claim he "transferred" from U of P and changed that to cited text saying he "withdrew" (to pursue a swimming career, unreliable sources say). I think the text does not tend to make one belive his U of P studies transferred to any other school and I'd like to see it stay. Regarding the info box, how about adding a footnote making it clear he did not complete his first year? Marteau (talk) 23:20, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks so much for your input and help. As you can see I have made a beginning on the Bibliography. It stills needs some cleanup which I will try to do soon. The article does not mention the lawsuit filed by Andre Metzger which is well documented and I would like to see that added. Thoughts? Pjefts (talk) 12:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In cases of allegations of sexual impropriety, it is wise to require a high bar to be cleared for it to be included in biographies of anyone, alive or dead.  The Metzger lawsuit, however, is more than just allegations but was a civil action for which du Pont ended up paying Metzger to settle out of court.  Combined with the fact that this suit was filed by one of the Foxcatcher wrestlers and that it involved Villanova and an unlawful employment termination allegation, this is more that just tabloid fodder but information which was covered by legitimate national news outlets and I support it's inclusion. Including allegations by those surrounding these events (e.g. off-the-cuff statements by other wrestlers) I would hesitate to include, but the bare facts that 1) there was a suit 2) who was party to the suit 3) what the suit alleged and 4) how the suit was settled certainly deserves inclusion.  Where to put it, under what heading, at this point I have no opinion, just that I personally don't think this should be more than four or so sentences and probably does not merit it's own top level heading, a second level heading I could see working.  Or even no heading at all if it goes somewhere like under "Personal Life" which I'm not into, but would not object. Marteau (talk) 21:53, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography 

message: "He had also tried to help him with his drinking problem." Which of the two people from the previous sentence had the drinking problem? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: .  Tweaked the article to make it clear it was du Pont who had the drinking problem. Marteau (talk) 02:40, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

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message: When someone mentions "John du Pont" there is no confusion regarding who they are referring to... the "Eleuthere" seems unnecessary and the vast majority of sources omit it.  Does anyone think the "Eleuthere" should remain in the title, or object to moving the article to  to "John du Pont"?  Marteau (talk) 21:31, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove "Eleuthere" from title? 

message: In discussion of his appeal the article refers to du Pont's use of "a Bulgarian prescription drug, scopolamine, before he fatally shot Schultz."  Scopolamine is a drug commonly used in the US for motion sickness among other things, has been around for about 130 years and was originally synthesized by a German chemist.  It's been widely available for a long time, so why doesn't especially the article make it sound like it is available exclusively in Bulgaria?  Even if du Pont was taking it illegally and sourcing it out of Bulgaria (unnecessary), it still wouldn't be appropriate to refer to it as a Bulgarian drug.
Does anyone know why it was referred to this way in the article?  If it was referred to this way in the appeal papers or something?  History Lunatic (talk) 06:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgarian scopolamine? 

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