Talk:Johannes Ockeghem

message: To the anon editor from Belgium who reduced the number of Ockeghem motets from 10 to 5:  I am aware the the number of motets and chansons attributed to Ockeghem shrinks from time to time.  Grove (1980) lists 9 plus the song motet on the death of Binchois as being solidly by Ockeghem.  If you are aware of more current scholarship showing that some of these have been pulled away I'd love to know.  Also, I notice you changed the link from Dutch School to Netherlandish school:  the current article "Dutch school" has the basic info on the Netherlandish school, but if you would rather move the article to one of that name, let's talk about it--the name "Dutch school" has bugged me for a while now, and I'd be inclined to support such a move.  Antandrus 19:37, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of motets

message: I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles.  This is content-wise a fine article.  It primarily lacks images (e.g. the one from Chigi Codex, but it needs 3-4), and inline citations sufficient to pass a formal review.
I would support an A rating for this article if those things are improved. Magic♪piano 23:01, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Composer project review

message: There is no sourcing that indicates how or why this is believed to be Ockeghem. I have never seen this presented as a possible likeness. There is an illustration from a manuscript that was always assumed to be Ockeghem, but this is not it. I am happy to be convinced, but there needs to be some explanation of the source of this image or else it should be taken down.RobtCSimon (talk) 13:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I was skeptical at first too, but back in March when someone added it I did a little research, and left it alone.  See Reinhard Strohm, "Portrait of a Musician", in Johannes Ockeghem:  Actes du XLe Colloque international des d'études humanistes [Tours, 1997] ed. Philippe Vendrix (Paris, Klinckseick, 1998), pp 167-172.  If you look at the full size portrait (in the De Young Museum, San Francisco) you see some music on the headdress, which is "Ma bouche rit et ma pensee pleure". This is all rather recent, of course, and the identification is tentative.  The picture, in full color and turned the other way (this one is mirrored) is also on the cover of Musica antiqua: Actuele informatie over oude muziek, 14/2 (May 1997).  Antandrus  (talk) 13:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Portrait?

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