Talk:Morepork

message: The species Ninox novaeseelandiae has been split. The bird project's de facto nomenclator says Morepork refers to Ninox novaeseelandiae (or N. n. novaeseelandiae, take yer pick)  and that Southern Boobook is the species Ninox boobook. The latter is a redirect to this article. They don't seem to give guidance to what the subspecies might also be called, Avibase (RS?) says the nominal subspecies has the same name and others are prefixed with a regional desciptor, eg. Lord Howe Island Morepork for Ninox novaeseelandiae albaria. 
This title refers to Ninox boobook, as does some of the unreferenced content, I'm planning fix that. Does anyone have anything to add before I do? cygnis insignis 22:58, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there to be a Ninox boobook article, or are we expanding this with content covering all the sub-species? (Or perhaps if this is already Southern Boobook/Ninox boobook we need a Morepork/Ninox novaeseelandiae article?) --Tony Wills (talk) 03:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I have been able to glean online, splitting them together was accepted, briefly rejected, then accepted again by the IOC and others. My solution would be to change the scope of this article to N. boobook, create another article at the redirect "morepork" (N. novaeseelandiae), then make a note about the previous and current arrangements for the systematic and common names at both. I think that it worth giving a disambiguating explanation to the reader (from RS, of course), rather than pretend it never happened. One concern might be the edit history, but the content is uncited and does not appear in the single reference (IUCN) or the extlinks. I could move some of the content, retrofitting a ref to support it, but I know this takes longer than starting from scratch. The advantages would include being able to cite facts that refer to specific taxa, such as the extinct subspecies, without having to keep specifying which one it is. If a source says that boobooks used to gang-up and prey on Moa, thereby causing their extinction, we can be reasonably certain they are talking about the population found in New Zealand. cygnis insignis 21:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Except you cannot say that the Boobook Owl ever attacked the Moa. The Morepork on the other hand you might, though I doubt it actually would have. It's a case of relative terminology, assuming for the moment you accept the generalisation of the species which is categorically wrong. Generalise the genus if you like but not the species. Common names can relate to mulitple species and genuses and vary from place to place but only one genus ever applies. A linguistic parallel would be entering content in en.wikipedia in German or Danish because after all they are all Germanic/Indo-European.  203.25.1.208 (talk) 02:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's in a name 

message: See above.  Ninox boobook still redirects here, but seemingly should be a separate article, per most (but not all) of the above sources.  Summary as given previously, above: morepork now refers to Ninox novaeseelandiae (or N. n. novaeseelandiae) and southern boobook is the now the species Ninox boobook.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  01:15, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Right - Southern boobook now created...but I'm going to bed. Will do more tomorrow but sleep beckons. Has a nice pic..go for thy lives.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:20, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unresolved split proposal