Talk:Ben Elton

message: Anyone wanting to even hint at slagging off any of Lord Ben of Elton's work has to go through me first. Think on.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.34.12 (talk) 01:27, 15 January 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Please check 194.78.139.231's contribution, elsewhere his/her tend to be wrong. Andres 22:31, 23 March 2004 (UTC)

text: corroborates it. --Sam Francis 00:55, 24 March 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: slag him off? There's so much I wouldn't know where to start.....Ann Robinson seems to have summed the bloke up well Harryurz 15:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No slagging off

message: *Note that Ben Elton was not christened Ehrenberg, Lewis Elton (his father) changed his name well before Ben was born. See Wiki article on Lewis Elton and/or Geoffrey Elton. Sliggy 08:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: The section has been recently edited to "remove untrue remark - anti-Royalist material was occasionally a feature of the Sat Live era standup." In fact this claim itself is not true.  The only material Elton did about The Royals from that period is wondering why the Queen didn't use her Christmas speech to go "up your Spitting Image". Also a routine about how he thought that "Princess Diana should have married Simon Le Bon and Prince Charles should have married the Bishop of Durham". Maybe a slight dig at Prince Charles intellectual obsessions, but in the end, quite sympathetic, and it would be a tad extreme to describe them as "anti-royal". The first joke seems very supportive in fact. Being about the Royals doesn't qualify as being anti them. I have memories myself in the eighties of Ben Elton on Wogan describing Prince Charles affectionately as "a bit of a hippy, but he's alright".  -  bingo99 00:00, 18 August 2006
::Basically a hippy can be referenced if necessary as it appears on either Motorvation of Motormouth (can't remember which) - the two recordings of Ben's performances in the 1980's.  QuiteUnusual 21:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Joking about the royal family doesn't mean being anti-royal.  Modern "alternative" comedy is basically abusing and ridiculing the subject, and swearing as often as possible.  So mentioning the royals at all can be seen as anti-royal, just as the comedian is "anti" everything he "jokes" about.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 04:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "Anti-Royal"

message: This seems very unbalanced at the moment, with uncited criticisms and a biased tone against the subject. Is any defence of these criticisms allowed?  bingo99 13:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see the problem with bias at all. This is either out of date, or over-sensitivity. The article is very fair to Ben Elton, and only at the end includes well cited and commonly known criticism from other prominent figures. Wikipedia is meant to be NPOV, but that doesn't mean coddling people in cotton wool. I would support removing the tag of bias Fences and windows 04:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The only person I can see being coddled in cotton wool in the criticism section is ex-Daily Mirror journalist now Thatcher supporter Anne Robinson condemning people for going back on left wing views they had in the eighties.   - bingo99 13:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you feel that Anne Robinson's politics are hypocritical, that is a topic for her own page, not here. I agree with Fences and windows; this article is balanced. Uucp 17:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Criticism sections are against wikipedia style. It is better to have a Reception section which includes both positive and negative reviews with due focus. Ashmoo (talk) 11:18, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: The article states "Elton went on to write a number of compilation shows featuring popular songs". Would that number be two? DavidFarmbrough 13:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musicals 

message: Editor Soji Lujet has repeatedly inserted a claim on the page that somebody named "Chris Thomas" has humor similar to Elton's. The editor always links to Thomas's page and the page of one of Thomas's books. I believe this to be at best irrelevant, and perhaps linkspam. We would not list on Tom Clancy's page, for example, every author whose style resembles Clancy's. To do so gives us no insight on the original author. Besides which, the similarity is nothing but POV. Lujet continually reinserts this without discussion. If s/he wants to do so again, I suggest requesting a moderator to review. Uucp 22:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chris Thomas article has been deleted and the article for the book is currently up for deletion. Soji Lujet has also been making similar edits on Adrian Mole and Bridget Jones' Diary and keeps re-adding the text when it is removed there too, again without discussing his/her actions. The AfD looks like it will pass at the moment so hopefully the edits will stop then. 212.140.167.99 00:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war on supposedly similar authors 

message: Before anyone starts-does anyone know what his real voice sounds like? His public voice is obviously fake Cockney -essential to show that he is not really clever or middleclass etc-but what does he really sound like ? I suspect probably something like a rather arrogant drawling Old Etonian...Winston1911 (talk) 08:41, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice 

message: Giving large ammounts of money to Tony Blair's New Labour Party does not make you Left Wing or a Socialist. Tony Blair is no more a Socialist than his masturbatory idol Margaret Thatcher. Likewise New Labour is more Right Wing than Ted Heath's 1970s Consevative Party. Therefore Mr Elton cannot be a hypocrite as he's always been "establishment". As for the leather-arsed Anne Robinson's opinion I rather doubt that botoxed-to-buggery geriatric old drunk is in any position to talk about sell-outs, she's obviously brained her damage with too much formaldehyde as no-ones sold out more than her, especially all the way to the bank. AM       — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.96.19 (talk) 02:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Socialist?

message: " He was the leader of the British alternative comedy movement of the 1980s "   This will come as a bit of a surprise to some of the genuinely funny, genuinely alternative comedians of the time (e.g. Alexei Sayle).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.227.194 (talk) 21:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leader 

message: The opening paragraph says that Ben Elton has written fifteen novels, but later in the article we read he has written sixteen novels. Vorbee (talk) 17:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of novels

message: Any details possibly? 
GreenwashTheMusical.com 80.46.74.145 (talk) 21:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agent details