Talk:Bob Knight

message: According to the Texas Tech succession box Pat Knight will become head coach when his father retires? Is this simply understood, or is there an actual contract in place? --djrobgordon 02:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fairly certain there's a contract in place.UMclassof06 07:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Not sure about the status of a contract, but the media guide does state, "prior to the 2005-2006 season, Pat was named head coach designate." I'll update the article with the appropriate reference. Lbbzman 13:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pat Knight 

message: I have reverted 2 edits by 209.198.12.162 because they appear to be quite POV. If the community disagrees, I'll accept their consensus. Lbbzman 20:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV edits 

message: This entire article is POV. The writing style comes across as Bobby Knight being set up by so many people out to get him, when in reality, he is probably just a violent person with a bad temper. Several passages cast doubt on nearly everyone who testifies against him that he caused harm to their person. It's just one big mess, and throughout there are no sources. I'm putting the POV tag on this. Mike H. That's hot 01:55, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: To me, the article is fair. It all comes down to the fact that Knight has an overall controversial character, being a good teacher and coach, but at the same time falling prey of his outbursts. It is quite clear that he has rage control problems, but one can't and shouldn't downplay the bright side of him. Why should his ex-players still keep contacts with him, and being sympathetic with him if he is such an evil man? Can anyone dispute the fact that he raised 2 million dollars to help Landon Turner? I think that the article offered a complete description of the good and the bad, and left the final judgement to the reader. And I think that the fact that Knight's haters are disputing it shows that they are not as neutral as the article is.
Fabio Anderle
: Please point to specific sections that you think are unfair and suggest changes.  I have no idea of knowing what sections you think are unfair or inaccurate.  If you simply feel that their is only critical material and no evidence that supports a better view of the subject, please try to provide that evidence. Remember 21:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality of the Article 

message: Was not ment as vandalism but simply as odd things he has done which I presumed might be viewed as trivia. Nothing major if people disagree. Just thought i would toss it out there.
Speaking of trivia - what's Knight's currently record, his record at each school, and his winning percentage?
By the way: When is UK going to realize that Tubby is worthless BK is the obvious choice to replace him. UK has to take Knight in order to actually develop players that come there.  Just a thought.
I am huge IU and Knight fan..but i will say this, knight is not any easy coach to play for and conseqeuntly has difficluty recriuting top noch players....just look and the hoosiers record ing the tournament is the mid to late 90's  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.186.129.227 (talk) 11:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: I've made some significant changes.  Please direct comments here if you are unsatisfied or disagree with the actions I've taken, and we'll discuss.  Cheers, Kasreyn 19:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks pretty good.  I was getting ready to remove the POV tag myself, as I couldn't see any reason for having it. Dubc0724 20:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work removing some of the unsourced claims.  But you also removed the cite needed tags, and some of those paras still had unsourced claims.  I generally use cite needed tags on a one-per-paragraph basis, no matter how many unsourced claims are in the paragraph.  Otherwise, the resultant text will have more tags than text visible.  I've restored some cite needed tags to mark these paragraphs (even though personally, I don't doubt that Knight did a lot of these things).  Plenty of the claims of Coach Knight's improper behavior are still unsourced, so this article is still in violation of WP:BLP.  Cheers, Kasreyn 19:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes by Kasreyn 

message: Hmm, I found this: 
"* In 2005 Bob Knight, Dick Vitale, and Coach K were involved in a threesome"
and wondered exactly how verifiable it was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.242.21.101 (talk) 16:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what the hell? 

message: Lawrence Frank, Isiah Thomas, Mike Krzyzewski, and Steve Alford all coach currently and either played under knight(coach k, isiah, and steve alfod) were a assistant for knight(coach k) or were a manager for knight(lawrence frank) Where should this info be added? i couldn't find a spot in the article apporiate for this info. Znsga 19:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about adding a "Coaching legacy" section? It's definitely relevant.  -Dmh 16:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  where to put info 

message: I neglected to sign in before putting in a set of changes this morning.  They're mine (the ones from 63.86.210.252 and 66.57.45.134 on 9 January).
In general, this article is a good example of why throwing around a bunch of stuff on either side doesn't make an article unbiased.  As it stood it was a blatant puff piece with a little bit of "people just don't understand Coach Knight" thrown in.
Some particulars:
* Side notes that do nothing but name-drop and then puff up other prominent sports figures.  I don't care here that Parcells coached a Super Bowl team.  I don't care that Kentucky went on to lose to Wooden's last UCLA team.  I especially don't care that after not going to IU, Larry Bird went on to face Magic Johnson in the final.
* Use of "Coach Knight" or "Bob Knight" instead of just "Knight".  We already know he's a coach and goes by "Bob".  He's not the reader's coach, so just call him by his last name like anyone else.
* Use of words like "historic" and "achievement".  Just say what he did and let that speak for itself.
* Blatant POV stuff about Knight "revealing his sensitive side" and the bit in Basketball philosophy about how kids just aren't disciplined enough for Knight's system.  Titles like "The Fall of Knight" and "Episode IV: A New Start" (OK, so it didn't say Episode IV) don't help either.
* Some of the other stuff was more subtle, but in general tightening up the prose also made it more neutral (see "The Fall of Knight" vs. "Termination from Indiana". -Dmh 16:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: This article needs a picture, somebody messed something up, and what is the deal with changing "*****d up" to "messed up" and all that stuff?
:I agree that the article needs a picture. With the hundreds of thousands and more people who have, through the years, been to a game coached by Bob Knight, there has to be at least one good photo for this. For the second part, I have no idea what you're talking about. --Wordbuilder 16:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: I suggest we split the section entitled Knight students. The list is important as it illustrates Bob Knight's far reaching influence on the game. However, right now the main article is too long and this section is part of the problem. We should do something along the lines of this article and use the  tag on the main article page to point to it.
First, for it? Against it? Comments?
Second, if we do split, what should be the name of the new article? I was thinking something along the lines of "People influenced by Bob Knight."
--Wordbuilder 14:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm for it, but would prefer to leave one or two highlights on the main page and use a  to ref the new article. I'm rather fond of the current title of Knight Students but that's a bit ambiguous for an article title. I like where you're going with the "People influenced..." but it seems pretty open ended. How about something like Coaching Legacy of Bob Knight or Bob Knight coaching disciples? Вasil | talk 15:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that we should keep a few highlights on the main page. I like "Coaching legacy of Bob Knight" for the new article. If no one else weighs in with an objection, I'll split it in a week or so. --Wordbuilder 17:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I split the section into its own article. I didn't know who would be best to highlight in the main article so I didn't leave any. If someone has a few good ones, please re-add them so they'll appear in both places. --Wordbuilder 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split

message: "Knight was angry that a practice gymnasium was not opened to his team, which went on to a 9-0 record in the tournament."
It's my understanding that the problem was that the gym was opened to the Brazilian women's team while Knight was atttempting to have a closed practice. He got into a dispute with the cop who opened the joint, leading to the incident. The team's record in the tournament appears to be wholly irrelevant and should be deleted, IMHO. 71.142.92.68 00:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the account needs corrected, please correct it, basing your changes on and citing appropriate sources. The record at the Pan American Games isn't irrelevant; but, perhaps, should be moved to a better portion of the article. --Wordbuilder 03:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puerto Rico incident 

message: Froo deleted the below portion of text. The deletion was reverted by Fuzzy510. I had considered reverting Froo's change myself but am not sure that this portion, while interesting, is really encyclopedic. Coaches yell at their players, nothing new or special about that. I think the other entries under "Controversies" should remain since they're significant (run-in with police, throwing a chair, publicly arguing with a university's chancellor, etc.). This one should be deleted:
In a 1991 practice at Indiana, Knight lashed out at his team with the following tirade: "You don't wanna play, then I'm getting the fuck out of here. I mean, if you're not gonna cover Greg Graham; if you're just gonna let him drive by you; if the rest of you are gonna let him catch the ball outside the three second lane and drive all the way in here without one guy challenging him, then I'm leaving and you fucking guys will run 'til you can't eat supper. Now I'm tired of this shit! I'm sick and fucking tired of an 8-10 record! I'm fucking tired of losing to Purdue! I'm not here to fuck around this week! Now you may be, but I'm not! Now I'm gonna fucking guarantee ya, that if we don't play up there Monday night, you aren't gonna believe the next four fucking days! Now I am not here to get my ass beat on Monday. Now you better fuckin' understand that right now. This is absolute fucking bullshit! Now I'll fucking run your ass right into the ground! I mean I'll fucking run you, you'll think last night was a fucking picnic! I had to sit around for a fucking year with an 8-10 record in this fucking league! And I mean you will not put me in that fucking position again, or you will goddamn pay for it like you can't fucking believe! Now you better get your head out of your ass!" →Wordbuilder 20:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's the prevailing opinion, I have no objections to that.  However, with no explanation for why it was done or any sort of discussion, I didn't immediately see any reason why it should've been taken out and reverted the edit.  --fuzzy510 21:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't disagreeing with your decision to revert. That was my first instinct as well, especially since the deletion occurred without explanation or discussion. →Wordbuilder 21:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No offense taken.  Just wanted to make sure that nobody thought I was prepared to fire up an edit war over the whole thing, haha.  --fuzzy510 21:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why is there [EXPLETIVE] for the second paragraph with bob knight's words in them, and the profanities actually stated in the first one? i think you should either make it [EXPLETIVE] for all of it or say the word for all of it; don't mix and match.Att159 (talk) 02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the sources. The source for first has the swear words. The other edits them out, replacing them with (EXPLETIVE). So, you'd have to find a new source for one or the other if you wanted them to follow the same pattern. →Wordbuilder (talk) 03:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversies

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message: Where do we draw the line on things added to this section? As it is, the section is threatening to eclipse the rest of the article. I would not consider the latest addition to be notable, "On January 5, 2008, after his 899th career win Knight attended a press conference with his young grandson Will and used coarse language while dealing with media members." What's special about this? It has already been established that Knight has a foul mouth. And, it is not uncommon for a grandpa to cuss in front of the grandkids, so what is notable about this? →Wordbuilder (talk) 14:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability of additions to "Controversies" section

message: Since when are Michigan and IU rivals?   IU's rivalries have historically been with Purdue and Kentucky.  Being in the same conference doesn't make you rivals.  I'm changing it.  Josh (talk) 01:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Conference Rivals

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message: Regarding John Feinstein's book Season on the Brink, the article states "In 1986 author John Feinstein published A Season on the Brink ... the book quickly became a major best-seller and spawned a new genre, as a legion of imitators wrote works covering a single year of a sports franchise." 
Feinstein's book was popular and influential, but it's a stretch to say it "spawned a new genre." In 1981 David Halberstam's seminal "The Breaks of the Game" was published, chronicling the 1979-80 Portland Trailblazers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.203.199 (talk) 20:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Feinstein's was far more popular and thus had a greater impact.--YHoshua (talk) 22:07, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books about Knight 

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message: I've only known of him as "Bobby" Knight and this article may be the first source where I've seen him exclusively referred to as "Bob" Knight. If I had been looking him up I would have surely used "Bobby", and I am sure he is better known this way. Is there a reason why this is not used? Mal7798 (talk) 14:14, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the same thing.  Isn't this person's most common name Bobby Knight?  I saw this linked from another page as "Bob Knight" and had to click on it to see who it was.  There seem to be cited news articles with with "Bob" in the title, but I didn't click on any of them to see if "Bob" is used in the text or is just a shortened form to fit the title on newspaper pages. --Closeapple (talk) 04:29, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

text: I'm a little late to the game, but I was working at IU when Knight was there. His official bio was always "Bob." He never called himself "Bobby," but that was the name that was most used in the media. He seemed to prefer Bob, but accepted Bobby. BostonRed (talk) 15:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have to agree with this initial entry... Who is Bob Knight? He was never publicly referred to as "Bob Knight," regardless of how he authored his books. He was only known as Bobby Knight and that should be referenced in the article...Stevenmitchell (talk) 12:16, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

text: I think a WP:RM could be in order here. It was moved from  to the current title back in 2006 without discussion. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 01:03, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

text: any thoughts? I think an RM should be held to settle the matter, especially considering that  was the original title from which  moved unilaterally. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:20, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I would be fine with that, although it should be noted the standards for moving articles 17 years ago were much looser than they are today, but it is pretty clear that Bob Knight was his preferred reference as a living person, as noted in the statement from the family, Associated Press, Washington Post, etc. Some obituaries say "Bobby" but the majority use Bob. Calwatch (talk) 20:08, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: He apologized for some of his transgressions, but his anger and menacing sense of defiance never abated. As his hair grew whiter and he dropped the boyish nickname of “Bobby” in favor of “Bob,” he remained unrepentant. His greatest enemy was always himself. https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2023/11/01/coach-bob-knight-dead/ And, if you look at articles from 2000 onward, they mostly used "Bob" Knight, which falls in the WP:NICKNAME standard today. I would not support any change. Calwatch (talk) 20:15, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

text: I would not support any move back to "Bobby Knight". His Indiana, Texas Tech, and Naismith Hall of Fame profiles all refer to him as "Bob". Further, announcements from both schools about his passing  both refer to him as "Bob" and do not mention "Bobby". To cinch it, his own website refers to him as "Bob"  with no mention of "Bobby". Moving it to "Bobby" would absolutely be the wrong decision. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, these are solid arguments for keeping Bob Knight as the article name, and I'm convinced. However, I do still think there should be a clarification in the lead that he was also frequently known as Bobby. Per my earlier comment and the comments of others, there are still many of us who are accustomed to hearing of him by that name. A significant number of obituaries use Bobby, as indicated by multiple recently added references in the article, so it's still in use as of 2023. I'll take a shot at this. CAVincent (talk) 01:23, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Saw your edit; I don't want to workshop the wording in production but I'd suggest something tighter and more consistent with other biographies, perhaps "Also known as Bobby Knight and nicknamed..." Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 01:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the problem with "Also known as..." is that as of the article's second sentence, he has only been referred to as Robert Montgomery Knight in the text. (I'm now laughing imagining his mother sternly calling him Robert Montgomery when he misbehaved, but I don't think anyone else ever would have.) That said, I wouldn't object to this proposal, or something similar, if the change were made. CAVincent (talk) 02:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops! I totally spaced that the bold name wasn't Bob Knight. Then in this case it's time to comb through the many examples at MOS:NICKBOLD. Per that, then maybe somethng like "also known as Bob Knight, Bobby Knight, and nicknamed "The General"... The thing that makes this extra weird is that Bob and Bobby are both diminuitives, but the mobster example given at MOS:NICKBOLD kind of covers that. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

text: @Calwatch Obviously you never followed college basketball between the 1970s and the 2000s. He was always referred to as "Bobby" by the press, as an editor, who grew up in his home state of Indiana, points out in this comment thread. It isn't the first time that Wikipedia permanentizes misinformation in its article content, but this is why there is supposed to be consensus, not unilaterality, when making a major article decision, such as refiling its title. Another option is to also include redirects for Bobby or Bob, and as mentioned, note the varieties in the article content. Stevenmitchell (talk) 19:21, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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message: The infobox photo of Bob Knight leaves much to be desired. He is an old man with a very somber and dejected look on his face. An article's lead photo should have a pleasing appearance, preferably with the person smiling for the camera.
I know that it can be difficult to locate photos that are not copyrighted, but this article definitely needs a better picture of Bob Knight.  Anthony22 (talk) 23:24, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox could use a better picture of Bob Knight 

message: I added a section today under heading 'Health concerns' about the news about his declining health. Jhojnack (talk) 23:00, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health Concerns 

message: The redirect Coach Knight has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Hey man im josh (talk) 01:09, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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message: Typo - article reads Knight's age of death as 73. He was 83. 63.208.139.171 (talk) 23:34, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article lists age of death as 73