Talk:Paranormal State

message: I'm intensely critical of these paranormal shows, too. But: We don't know what episodes the critics have seen (many get advance episodes which have not aired yet).  A critic who says the show fails to find paranormal activity could be referring to one small fact on the show, or an entire episode; it's irrelevant, because the critic found that to be essential to his/her review. The following claim
:Strangely enough, they really have yet to show an episode where they did NOT find paranormal activity. Everything from finding psychic girls to young boys seeing dead people to excorcisms of powerful demons has appeared on the show.
is original research, however. It's also not verifiable.  If verifiable, then a citation should be given, and the criticism put in the "Negative Reviews" section. It's not up to us contributors to take issue with what a critic says; other critics will do that.  We should only cite those other critics.  Because the above-referenced change significantly changes the tenor and intent of the "Positive Reviews" section, I've removed it and put it here until citations can be given. - Tim1965 (talk) 01:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Whether the show fails to find paranormal stuff or not

message: The following comment
:Since the show is not a real "reality show". The show is scripted with a real feel.
is unsupported by citation, and is opinion. If a critic has said this, then that should be added to the "Negative Reviews" section and cited.  Placed where it is, it leaves the reader with a biased opinion as to the article's neutrality about the show. Additionally, what a "real" reality show is: That's something which this article should not get into, as this article is about the show and not a debating template for what "real reality TV" is or is not. I've removed the quote and placed it here on the Talk page. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Reality shows typically have some script. If it fits within the genre it works as is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.166.131 (talk) 18:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Is PS scripted or real?=

message: The introductory sequence of the show makes it sound like one student started a paranormal club and voila! they're a TV series.  There is some indication in the article that the producer of the show had a little more to do with getting it started, but the issue is still left rather unclear in the article.
For example:
* I assume that not just any kid at Penn State can join this club and get on TV show.  Who does the interviewing and hiring?
* The show has all sorts of neat little graphical sequences, on-screen text, taped in narration, many cuts and pans of the cameras, etc.  Who does this work?
* Who reads or researches reports of paranormal activity and selects where to go and shoot?
In other words, I assume that the role of the students in the "paranormal society" is similar to that of the contestants on Survivor - that if not actors in the traditional sense, at least they're not very important to any practical or creative direction of the show.  But I don't know that at all.  If you could believe in ghosts you can believe in kids able to make a TV show. 70.15.116.59 (talk) 03:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origination of the show? 

message: Apparently they frequently use an IR toy to see if the temperature is dropping from a ghost.  What's funny is that you see a fixed scene on the TV screen with red, yellow, blue areas that remain constant.  They point the dot in the middle closer and closer to the bluest area in the scene and start reading off the temperature, but it looks like this "temperature drop" just reflects where they're pointing the dot.  Is that so? 70.15.116.59 (talk) 03:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Temperature dropping" 

message: A line in the main article states that "Show co-executive producer Alan LaGarde is credited with giving the students advanced electronic equipment which they did not previously have, and in making contacts with police, doctors, psychiatrists and other government officials and medical professionals. This permits the student-led team to more positively rule out non-paranormal explanations."  The article referenced for this information, seen here: LaGarde helps produce A&E's 'Paranormal State' does not imply at all that LaGarde gave PRS any equipment, but it does imply that he did give them contacts with police, and possible other unknown experts.  I feel this particular part of the article should be removed or edited, and I will do as such in a few days if no one has any objections or explanations why I shouldn't.  Experimentmonty (talk) 18:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Advanced Equipment

message: The following was added to the lead paragraph on 10 February 2008:
:John Montgomery, a second year member of the PRS, claims that the series is the best way to showcase the unexplainable events which otherwise would garner little interest from the public.
First, this is inappropriate for the lead paragraph.  Second, it is unsourced material. Third, it is opinion, which should go elsewhere in the article. I removed the sentence, and placed it here in case anyone wishes to find a citation and place the sentence in an appropriate place in the article. Thanks. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to lead removed 

message: Someone tagged the article with NPOV.  However, there is no discussion of NPOV issues here on the Talk page.  Unless that discussion shows up within a week, and NPOV issues can be identified, I think that tag will be removed (unless someone has objections, and that means identifying the NPOV). - Tim1965 (talk) 22:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV????? 

message: On A&E there's some sort of disclaimer about the occult or something, what does it say?
:*It's the standard "The views and opinions in this show do not necessarily represent those of A&E and/or it's affiliates, etc" jargon. Mrmcdonnell (talk) 18:25, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disclaimer 

message: Somebody clarify the first sentence.  Chip is stalking Ryan?  Also, when will people learn that in a quotation one uses brackets "[ ]" and not parenthases "( )" when the author is inserting additional information?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.9.7 (talk) 05:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I support your action, but it seems User:Tabascoman77 reverted your edits. I have removed the 'controversy' section entirely. It's entirely sourced to blogs, which are not reliable sources by Wikipedia guidelines; and since it contains negative allegations about living people, this is not acceptable per WP:BLP. It should not be re-added without reference to reliable sources. Robofish (talk) 12:15, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ryan's Demon Stalker

message: Seems me that half the page is now about a single controversy... and it's a pretty big overkill.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.145.76.243 (talk) 05:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trainwreck of negativity