Talk:Greater Manchester/Archive 1

message: Please add suggestions at Talk:City_of_Manchester#Definitions about which Manchester-related articles we should have and what each of them should contain. Cormaggio @ 00:22, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a clear definition of what the GM conurbation is.  It's the Greater Manchester Urban Area, defined by the ONS. Fingerpuppet 13:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Greater Manchester is a metropolitan county (they just happen to no longer have county councils) and a ceremonial/geographic county by virtue of the Lieutenancies Act 1997. It is a county therefore in two ways. David 14:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: There are two articles (both this and the GMUA) because a) they deal with different divisions of land, with different purposes and origins, b) to avoid confusion between the two, and c) to maintain national consistency with every other county/Urban area article on Wikipedia (e.g. Metropolitan Borough of Wigan and Wigan Urban Area). The Government Office for the North West website you cited earlier (if you re-read carefully) outlines administrative authorities (i.e. councils - people/organisations!), not divisions of land (hense why Merseyside is also not on that list). All of this is explained within the text of the Wikipedia articles themselves with references. The ONS GMUA does not correlate at all with any of the metropolitan boroughs or even any borough/county system (historic, administrative, shire, metro, postal or ceremonial!); it is a completely different system of geography.  86.138.162.84 23:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly.  The GMUA is a conurbation, a continuous built up area.  Greater Manchester Metropolitan County is an administrative area.  The two are not the same, despite the similarity in name.  Whilst I agree that there is no actual administration done at the GMC level, there are still bodies that cover the GMC area, such as the GM Police amongst many others.  See also West Midlands conurbation and West Midlands (county) for another pairing - similar name, similar location but very different in terms of what they are. Fingerpuppet 17:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definitions 

message: There is an article in The Times of April 30, 1971, "Regional notebook" section by John Chartres, which gleefully mocks the "Selnec" name, quoting the Lord Mayor of Manchester as saying "who wants to call himself a Selneckian?"
Also Chartres notes
"Even in here in the egalitarian north-west there is a teeny weeny bit of snobbishness over addresses.  Not many will admit it openly, but dwellers in the such lush places south of Manchester as Altrincham, Bowdon, Hale and Wilmslow have set a certain store by their Cheshire addresses and do not always blurt out to people they meet on holiday that they live in the suburbs of Manchester."
He then in the second-to-last paragraph proposes using the name "Greater Manchester".  82.35.9.122 19:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name 

message: At last, in an effort to bring us inline with other parts of the country, there is now a new user category to help connect Wikipedians from across the Greater Manchester county with each other.
This will be invaluable should there be a push or project which requires collaboration on a Greater Manchester related article in the future. Those who are interested, please see :Category:Wikipedians in Greater Manchester and follow the instructions as appropriate. Many thanks, Jhamez84 19:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Category 

message: I've removed:
Some will say that the ONLY team in Manchester is Manchester City F.C., this is due to the fact that local rivals Manchester United F.C. ply their trade in the borough of Trafford.
although some County fans might take offence with calling them a 'Manchester team' after self styling themselves as 'The Pride Of Cheshire'. Bury and Rochdale, although still situated within the parameters of Greater Manchester are considered more as Lancashire teams, as with Wigan and Bolton in The Premiership.
Greater Manchester could be considered as one of Britain's most successful sporting counties.
To me, they're Weasel words I'm afraid. If any can be attributed to a source, then stick it back in. I've expanded the sports section the include other sports, and thrown in a brief note about the state of that particular sport at the moment, so hopefully it all balances out! Lawful Hippo 00:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports Section 

message: This section needs to be expanded and needs work  (sorry left out signature) Cosmopolitancats 00:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography section 

message: Article reads
Prior to the creation of the metropolitan county, the name SELNEC was used for the area from the initials 'South East Lancashire North East Cheshire'. Parts of the historic counties of Lancashire, Cheshire and Yorkshire covered the area that is now Greater Manchester.
To most Mancunians I venture that SELNEC means a bus company, that later merged with LUT (Lancashire United Transport) and others to become GMT (Greater Manchester Transport, run by Greater Manchester PTE 
Indeed the article "Northern Counties", states
The Transport Act of 1968 merged the municipal corporations of Manchester, Salford, Bolton, Oldham, Stockport, Rochdale, Bury and Stalybridge, Hyde, Mossley and Dukinfield Joint Board (SHMD Board). The resulting conglomerate was known as the Southeast Lancashire Northeast Cheshire Passenger Transport Authority, commonly known as SELNEC. SELNEC was faced with a fleet of 2500 vehicles consisting of a wide variety of types and manufacturers, reflecting the preferences of their former municipal owners. Northern Counties worked closely with SELNEC to develop a standard bus for fleet replacement
I think most people would be unaware of the historical reference to SELNEC as a politcal/geographical one.
Molby61 00:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry mate but have I missed you point? I don't know what you are trying to say. If you have a point you have completely confused anyone trying to read your section.
What do we know about SELNEC?
* A Wilson initiative introduced in 1971, just as Heath was going to reorganise county councils.
* SELNEC provided a cross county bus service.
* SELNEC tried to integrate waste disposal.
* In 1974, SELNEC disappeared. 
It is only remembered for the bus services. Mike33 02:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but you are incorrect.  SELNEC was certainly used in the early 1960s as an umbrella name for the local authorities covering the Greater Manchester Urban Area - examples of this being the 1962 SELNEC Highways Plan.  It was also one of the Metropolitan Areas by the Redcliffe-Maud Report of the late 1960s.  SELNEC (the PTE) came into existence prior to the Metropolitan County, so cannot have provided a "cross-county bus service".  SELNEC might be primarily remembered for the PTE (as that was the most visible item), but to say "only" is factually incorrect. If people today are unaware of the use of SELNEC in any other form, then that isn't a problem - it still needs to be mentioned here as it was a precursor to Greater Manchester. Fingerpuppet 08:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SELNEC? 

message: This, from the Transport section, needs to be sourced I think. "Manchester Airport, which is the fourth largest in the United Kingdom, serves the county with flights to more destinations than any other airport in the UK." --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 12:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll put this in in a sec.  This one can be used to confirm the 225 destinations claim, although it looks a bit less "official".  Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, that's odd: I thought the "225 claim" was on there, but it wasn't!  Never mind; I've added it now.  Hassocks5489 (talk) 13:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation required 

message: Why do I always get requested to do the long articles? :) Here goes...
*"on 1 April 1974,[1] as a result" - comma not needed
:* Done. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *The EU wanted us to convert to metric but we managed to hold onto our miles! ┌Joshii┐└chat┘ 17:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Fixed, by adding a comma. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Fixed. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done, --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done. ┌Joshii┐└chat┘ 16:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done.  Mr Stephen (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *This causes some controversy, so I have left all three refs in but merged them into a single footnote.  Mr Stephen (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done. ┌Joshii┐└chat┘ 17:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done. ┌Joshii┐└chat┘ 15:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *removed the first "also"; I think the second one is OK. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree. ┌Joshii┐└chat┘ 17:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done. ┌Joshii┐└chat┘ 13:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: *Done. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: We've got quite a few references that need converting to one of the relevant Wikipedia:Citation templates. I'll try to do some of these this evening but would appreciate some help. It seems ref 4 and 19 are infact one and the same too. -- Jza84 · (talk) 16:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Cor!  Well done you lot and thanks to H20 for the appraisal.  Mr Stephen (talk) 00:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA on hold 

message: :The West Pennine Moors, as well as a number of coalfields (mainly sandstones and shales) lie in the west of the county. The rivers Mersey and Tame run through the county boundaries, both of which rise in the Pennines. Other rivers run through the county, including the Beal, the Douglas and the Irk.
This is a bit mangled: I'd fix it but I have to be elsewhere for a while (RL!).  The Pennine moors are in the east; the Tame only just runs in, but the unmentioned Goyt and Etherow certainly do; the Mersey runs out.  I don't know about the other three - I think the Irk is fully enclosed by the county, no?Mr Stephen (talk) 18:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (self correction) It seems the West Pennine Moors are indeed in the west - I must get out more.  Mr Stephen (talk) 22:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: The Beal is within the Oldham and Rochdale boroughs entirely, and, I believe the Irk is wholly within Oldham, Rochdale and Manchester boroughs. Not sure about the Douglas. I agree the above paragraph needs fixing too! -- Jza84 · (talk) 19:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erk! 

message: I see User:Joshii, who requested the peer review, has retired from Wikipedia. Is there still interest in a peer review or should I archive the request? Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 15:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's still interest, please leave the request up.  Mr Stephen (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I think the GM project as a whole has an interest in the peer review, not just Joshii. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK thanks - I will get to it in a few days if no one else does first. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 16:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Splendid! Thanks.  Mr Stephen (talk) 17:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review 

message: Another holiday nearly over.  I hoped to have a go at this article (and others) a bite at a time, but the best-laid plans of mice and men ...  We've had a peer review which is now archived, so discussion should carry on here.  First, my summary of the outstanding suggestions at the PR, neutral I hope, is
#'History' should avoide generalities but concentrate on things which brought GM together
##industry
##the M60 motorway
#Move the history of GMC from 'History' to 'Governance'
#Rewrite the part of the 'Governance' section covering the joint bodies (waste, GMPTE etc) to make it easier to read
#Get rid of WP:PEACOCK terms at
##Economy
##Sport
##Transport
#Explain the factors which have lead to Manchester's recent recovery
#Rename 'Places of Interest' to 'Culture', strip out the non-cultural stuff
#Improve 'Transport'
Some of these changes would be WP:BOLD, so can I ask for comments on the changes I have summarised above? Mr Stephen (talk) 18:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I missed this post. I'm with you all the way on this, although I'd be mindful of removing everything about the GMC from 'History' to 'Governance'; Greater Manchester was always about municipal unity and administrative convienience afterall, but I think I know where you're going with these changes. These sound good. --Jza84 |  Talk   16:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ta.  I'm just a bit worried about striking out whole chunks of pre-industrial revolution history in both the 'History' and 'Places of Interest' sections.  I suppose if the GMC History/governance sections are self-contained and easy to move about then we can decide later where they fit best.  Mr Stephen (talk) 16:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a look at the peer review now, and I notice that one of the items mentioned is a merge of Greater Manchester with the Greater Manchester Urban Area.  I don't know what others think of that, but I'd be opposed to such a merge.  GMC is an administrative area with statutory boundaries, whilst the GMUA is the physical built-up area whose boundaries change from census to census.  Fingerpuppet (talk) 16:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think they should be separate.  Mr Stephen (talk) 17:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. --Jza84 |  Talk   17:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Towards FA 

message: I'm thinking the Post 74 section has a couple of gaps. Between 1974 and 1986 was there anything notable that occured on a "county-wide" basis that could be included? Perhaps something the county council or GMPTE implimented? It's a little thin in that respects.
Also, might the Manchester congestion charge be suitable also for a mention in the history seciton? It is probably (or at least might be...!) the most important development in the region's history since its creation. Just some thoughts. --Jza84 |  Talk   13:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not really surprised the section's quite thin - we're only talking about a total of 12 years after all.  I'd include the Congestion Charge, as the majority of the GM boroughs have at least some territory within the M60. Fingerpuppet (talk) 13:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: GMEX; the Greater Manchester Development Corporation which (apparently) paved the way for the later initiatives; and the Science Museum. I just found out that the Conservatives were in control of GMC 1977–1981 - remarkable!  Mr Stephen (talk) 22:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like potential and wholesome additions. As for the Conservatives, I too thank that is remarkable given the region's tendancy for the centre-left! I was hoping we could add politicial history to the Greater Manchester County Council page. --Jza84 |  Talk   23:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated this section in question. There's now a very breif note on G-Mex, but it needs a bit of tightening up IMHO. :) --Jza84 |  Talk   22:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: This is the subject of a current edit, erm, discussion at the moment.
Whilst it is true that while Postal Counties were still a part of the address Greater Manchester was not used, but Lancashire and Cheshire (such as Stockport, Cheshire and Bolton, Lancashire), it is not true that all M postcoded areas are considered to be part of Manchester.
There are three postal towns within the M postcode area, MANCHESTER, SALFORD and SALE.  None of these post towns are coterminous with the settlements or local authorities of those names - originally simply the most convenient sorting office for the Post Office to use.
M5 postcodes, for example, are all part of the SALFORD post town.
Postal Counties are no more, and people can choose whether to use the traditional counties, the modern Administrative County, the Ceremonial County or none of the above, as long as the Post Code is present. Fingerpuppet (talk) 16:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My opinion is that the postal counties paragraph should go, lock stock and barrel.  Mr Stephen (talk) 17:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted that rubbish twice now, and I'm keen to avoid embarrassing Jza84 by being forced to block me for a 3RR violation. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 17:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see if anyone shows any enthusiasm for the paragraph as a whole, and if not I'll clear it tonight.  The new stuff is certainly on very shaky foundations.   Mr Stephen (talk) 17:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the factual inaccuracy of "M postcode = Manchester" that concerns me.  The Postal County stuff was covered adequately previously. Fingerpuppet (talk) 17:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this. Doesn't seem to be a consensus to keep it. Amongst the other objections already raised, I wasn't happy with the source provided. --Jza84 |  Talk   19:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  M postcode areas 

message: I think we could make a push from our GA status to A or even FA status here with just a little bit of communal work. All the text seems to be in place now, and the article reads and flows like a whole. I think we could go for FA by making the following changes:
# Upgrade all the internet citation to use Template:Cite web (there aren't that many).
# Resolve the last few  issues.
# Perhaps find images of a) the G-Mex centre (at the time - perhaps for the history section where it is mentioned), and b) an image from somewhere like Wigan and/or Altrincham to ensure a representative mix of media.
# Consider expanding the Education section which is a little thin.
Other than that I think we could be ready for A-class, IMHO. --Jza84 |  Talk   00:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it would look like the hard work's been done and the last few points shouldn't be too hard to fix. How about we skip A-class and go straight for FA? I'm all for trial by fire ;-) Nev1 (talk) 00:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm with Nev1, I've never seen the point of A class. To me, the only categories worth spit are the two awarded by independent reviewers. So why don't we just go for it? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooooo, go on then! :P --Jza84 |  Talk   00:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you do it, I'm shy. Besides, I've still not fully disengaged from another FA battle nomination, at History of timekeeping devices. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if nobody else has done so, I'll list it in circa 24 hours. That should give WP:GM and article-watchers enough time to prepare and/or help fix the outstanding issues. :) --Jza84 |  Talk   00:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. To be serious though, my real reason for not wanting to nominate is that I'm hoping to have the Pendle witch trials ready soon, and SandyG quite rightly doesn't like to see multiple concurrent nominations from the same editor. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Very helpful, thanks.  Mr Stephen (talk) 17:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Yup, very helpful. Thanks, --Jza84 |  Talk   22:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

text: That "Much of the region was omitted from the Domesday Book of 1086" is probably a little bit flowery/POV too on reflection. I don't think "Greater Manchester's" broad omition in the Domesday Book has much to do with Greater Manchester specifically really. I'm also a bit worried about the history section beginning to sprawl (perhaps we're nearly ready for a daughter article?) --Jza84 |  Talk   23:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the sound of the History of Greater Manchester, the fact that much of (what would become) Greater Manchester was omitted  would certainly belong there. Nev1 (talk) 00:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we're ready for a break-out article - we have enough material here, plus it could draw from elements of articles such as the History of Lancashire, History of Cheshire, History of Oldham and History of Manchester. For anyone in any doubt, there is a 306 page book about the history of GM. :-) --Jza84 |  Talk   00:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so.  As an addendum, I forgot about half a dozen Domesday enties around the area of sylvan opulence, so make the total about twenty.  We should still come up with a form of words to answer Rod's comments. Mr Stephen (talk) 10:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this still needs to be tackles. The lead is also a little too admin-centric as Rod points out. Per his concerns about the oversized weavers' cottage, I've found an alternative we could use (pegged right). --Jza84 |  Talk   15:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better image.  Well done.  Another reviewer (Our own Mike Peel) has commented on the Domesday issue.  Mr Stephen (talk) 15:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-class? 

message: From Post 1974: Frangopulo noted that with the creation of the Greater Manchester "was the official unifying of a region which, through history and tradition, had forged for itself over many centuries". Is that quote from Frangopulo correct? Doesn't seem to make sense to me ... --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 11:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops! My fault - I've missed the second half. Gimme a few mins, I'll fix that. :O --Jza84 |  Talk   11:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  --Jza84 |  Talk   12:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this right? 

message: Is everyone comfortable with FAC this eve? I can hold back if needbe, there is no deadline. :-) --Jza84 |  Talk   20:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK by me.  Mr Stephen (talk) 21:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Let's go for it. How about a project nomination as happened with Peterloo? Nev1 (talk) 21:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Initiated with this sig. --Jza84 |  Talk   21:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good to go? 

message: Hello guys, probably not the best time to start proposals for change, but something has come to my attention (new Multi Area Agreements) which I think is a suitable point for inclusion in the article - at the end of the Post 1974 section. I want to add something like the following:
Refs
How's that read? --Jza84 |  Talk   22:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this could go straight in as it is. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Feel free to play. :) --Jza84 |  Talk   23:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multi Area Agreement and the future... 

message: Now that the photo of (cricket) Old Trafford has gone - perhaps we could put something in that section that is from the Wigan or Bolton boroughs? Those boroughs are currently unrepresented in images. --Jza84 |  Talk   23:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but maybe we'd be wise to wait until the FAC is over? Image policy is a bloody nightmare! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats fine. I'll see if I can dig something up from Flickr or Geograph for us. --Jza84 |  Talk   23:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

text: (ec) I have a picture I can upload to commons of the pavilion of OT (cricket). If we want a bit of diveristy (I agree Wigan is under-represented) there's always the JJB Sports stadium (look right). It's on commons so it should be fine. The crowd looks a bit thin though. Nev1 (talk) 23:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not surprising the crowd's a bit thin. How many footballs do you see on the pitch? Looks like a warm-up session. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ...I was wondering when you'd notice that ;-) The more I think about it, the JJB Stadium would be rather good: the home of a premiership football team and the county's leading rugby league side (sorry Salford). Nev1 (talk) 23:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They don't call me Hawkeye for nothing ... come to think of it, they don't call me Hawkeye at all. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

text: (ec)I've left a note at talk:TerriersFan, who I think was the original uploader.  If he reconfirms, it can go back in at an opportune moment.  Mr Stephen (talk) 23:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added back the Old Trafford CCC image - I took the photo so it has no copyright probs. TerriersFan (talk) 22:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Brilliant, nice to see it back; although I'm still wondering what the guy in blue on the left is doing. Anyway, if you could possibly update the source info , to say that the picture is yours, problem solved. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have clarified the authorship. I might have a look at touching that guy out if I can do it neatly :-) I need to darken the image a touch, anyway. TerriersFan (talk) 22:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He's taking part in a pissing contest, right? Who can hit the white canvas from the furtherest away? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he is doing what, in my younger days, was described as 'adjusting his dress'. :-) TerriersFan (talk) 22:53, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a cricket match, he's quite clearly polishing his balls. Nothing risqué about that... Nev1 (talk) 23:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I'll take a look... I've a feeling you mean the one I didn't want to touch (Jonathan Rawle or something?)!! I'll sort it! :) --Jza84 |  Talk   23:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually that one's gone. Which one is left? --Jza84 |  Talk   00:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports image 

message: Now that FAC is over, I have a quick question: what's the area of Greater Manchester? We're reporting it variously as 492, 493 and 496 square miles in this article alone. Anyone got something a little more "official" we could home in on? --Jza84 |  Talk   15:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to neighbourhood statistics the Greater Manchester health authority covers . Just to muddy the waters a little. Nev1 (talk) 15:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It must be somewhere in the dog's breakfast that is statistics.gov.uk. Look here for a 2002 figure of 1276 sq km, which is 492.66 square miles, which we can round to 493 or shorten to 492. Or try this page.  If you pick out 'display all' you will get an area of 128584 hectares, which is 496 square miles, for 1991.  Mr Stephen (talk) 23:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Suddenly it's very clear why wikipedia wants consistency. I think we should round to 493 square miles; shortening is bad practice and 2002 is the most recent. Nev1 (talk) 23:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, 493 square miles. Having watched that Panorama programme last night on the Heathrow extension, I begin to wonder whether in some areas at least wikipedia isn't the most reliable and up-to-date source on the Internet. Thanks to awkward and pedantic sobs like us, demanding sources all the time. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area? 

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message: Both :File:Unofficial County Flag of Greater Manchester.svg and Flag of Greater Manchester are clear that it's not an official flag (image description actually asks that it not be used in infoboxes). The only place it seems to be used is Piccadilly station. So if it's unrecognised and barely used, is it worth showing in the infobox at the very top of the page? Smurrayinchester 10:12, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the flag of the former County Council of Greater Manchester (1974-1986) and still appears on the crest of Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service and Greater Manchester Army Cadet Force and as you said still flown by National Rail outside Piccadilly Station. The heraldry the flag comes from was granted to the county by the Royal College of Arms. It wasn't registered with the Flag Institute as they didn't at the time recognise Metropolitan Counties only Historic Counties however in Jan 2012 the act restricting flying of flags to official ones only was abolished and non-historic county flags were recognised. 
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text: The flag is official in all senses apart from the fact that it's not recognised by the Flags Institute (who refuse to recognise any flags bar those for Historic Counties). But the flag was officially adopted as the flag of Greater Manchester in 1974 by Greater Manchester County Council, and was flown by them in that capacity from 1974-1986. It's also been flown, officially, by the Greater Manchester Council since it's reconstitution as the Greater Manchester Combined Authority. I would argue that, whilst the council was abolished in 1986 (and then reconstituted in 2011), the county remained as one of the Ceremonial Counties and, ergo, so did the Flag. It's as official a flag as you can get, unless you consider the Flags Institute to be the only arbiter here, in which case Greater Manchester does not have (and cannot ever have) an official flag. But the Flags Institute has no legal or official standing, as far as I can see, and I can't see why their opinion outweighs that of the various councils that have (and still do) run Greater Manchester. So, I'm putting it back.Steve3742 (talk) 15:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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message: Is there an ISO 3166-2 Code for Greater Manchester? I only found them for the individual „Metropolitan boroughs“ that together form Greater Manchester, but not for Greater Manchester as such. How could I address Greater Manchester along ISO? Thanks for any hint!195.200.70.45 (talk) 20:05, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the article ISO 3166-2:GB, there are no ISO 3166-2 codes for ceremonial counties (presumably because they have no councils?) -- Dr Greg  talk  22:30, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, now I see the logic ...195.200.70.40 (talk) 09:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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message: I have removed the  from the lede:
:Greater Manchester is a metropolitan county and combined authority area in North West England, with a population of 2.8 million;  comprises ten metropolitan boroughs:
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# third largest what in England? London is neither a metropolitan county nor a combined authority area. The infobox suggest Ceremonial counties of England is meant; does that belong in the lede?
# Greater Manchester does not encompass any metropolitan area. The Greater Manchester Built-up Area is described more accurately in the next paragraph, so the first description is both inaccurate and redundant. From Greater Manchester Built-up Area: "The Greater Manchester Built-up Area is not conterminous with Greater Manchester, a metropolitan county of the same name, for it excludes settlements such as Wigan and Marple from Greater Manchester, but includes hinterland settlements which lie outside its statutory boundaries, such as Wilmslow in Cheshire, Glossop in Derbyshire, Whitworth in Lancashire and Newton-le-Willows in Merseyside."
By the way, the cited reference seems to have linkrotted somewhat.  
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