Talk:Lotus Esprit

message: I was playing the Seattle Circuit from Gran Turismo 4, and it hit me: Is there anyone in the Wikipedia community that has seen or owns a purple Lotus Esprit? I saw this page and I don't believe there are any pictures of any purple ones. Is purple often a rare color on a Lotus Esprit?
:Purple Esprit: yes, they were made in purple, although it isn't very common (mine is black, very common). Lotus of Scottsdale (Arizona, USA) currently has a 2001 in inventory (http://www.lotusofscottsdale.com/5-040.html). (162.136.192.1 14:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any purple Lotus Esprit owners out there? 

message: Do you think Lotus Esprit Repair needs its own page? Merge?
BMan1113VR 03:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article to merge into this page

message: Leftlanenews has an article (http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/07/spied-2010-lotus-esprit/) up with spy shots/news of the rumored 2010 model. Wes902 17:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And on what do you base this categorical statement? You may well be right... but given Lotus' own actions in the past I don't think you can really rule anything out. Greg Locock (talk) 12:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Esprit

message: I have noticed a few discrepancies between this article and some information I found on http://www.lotusespritworld.com at the page http://www.lotusespritworld.com/models.html.
Wikipedia says:
* Turbo Esprit HC – 1986–87 
* Turbo Esprit HCi (Bosch Fuel Injected) – 1986–87
* Esprit GT3 – 1996–99
LotusEspritWorld says:
* Turbo Esprit HC – 1987
* Esprit GT3 – 1996–98
I suppose the HCi follows under the HC so they did not list it. The G3 production dates do not match. Can someone confirm the information on one or the other wesbite?
I have seen pictures of Esprits called NA or N/A for normally aspirated so I suppose that means no turbo. There is no model called NA or N/A. I suppose those NA are Peter Stevens's
Esprits from 1987–90. I believe they are called like that to distinguish them from Peter Stevens's Esprit Turbos from 1987–90. Correct me if I am wrong.
I have also seen pictures of Esprits called X180. Wikipedia says that "The Stevens styled Esprit is collectively known as the X180". I would like to know if that applies to all the Esprits from the Stevens era or only to the Esprit Turbos from 1987–90.
LotusEspritWorld lists something called X180R but Wikipedia did not list this model so I added it.
ICE77 -- 81.104.129.226 20:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: X180 was the internal program name for the Stevens Esprit. NA means naturally aspirated. I don't know why we didn't call them efi.   Greglocock 23:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

text: X180 was the name of the whole program, never mind which engine, at least for the two years before launch. NA is how engineers referred to the non turbo cars, I don't know how this spread to the wider community. However I have worked on at least one program called NA, it may be that Lotus used that designation as well - for example the FWD Elan had several different program names over its life. Usually when car manufacturers had NA cars at the time they called them EFI, for electronic fuel injection, in their marketing. I'm surprised Lotus didn't, but I'm pretty sure they didn't.  Greglocock 00:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepancies and questions 

message: So this section has apparently been removed following a general vote ("pop culture and trivia references, unless particularly factually significant, have been vetoed by Wikiproject:Automobiles and are being phased out - thanks for understanding"). Now the forward reference to it is inappropriate. The Seventh Taylor 16:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I've cleaned up that reference, but there is scope for discussion about this section. The WikiProject:Automobiles consensus so far includes the idea that trivia and pop-culture sections are inappropriate to the car's entry if the car was significant to the film, but may be relevant if the film was significant to the car. It could be argued that the Bond appearances significantly upped the recognition of the Lotus. – Kieran T (talk) 16:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular Culture section

message: Can someone condense the image for the Esprit V8 into a thumbnail as there's no point to having the image in the article. That and I'm likely to break the article if I do it myself... 81.110.245.215 (talk) 12:50, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  V8 Image 

message: We need to come to a decision about these external links. I am for taking them out, and if someone will second me on that, I will take them out. However, if the consensus is that they should stay, I would be fine with that too.
Zach4636(Talk) 17:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: generally I think one  (best,hopefully international) info/resource/forum site is acceptable, but I found that http://www.lotusespritworld.com/  has link to that forum (http://www.lotusespritforum.com/) so maybe that one is enough?   --— Typ932T | C  17:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Does the 3.5L V8 in the Lotus have any connection at all to the Rover 3.5L V8? Davez621 (talk) 22:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so far as I know - the I4 engine was a slant block design so I'm pretty sure they'd have just reflected it across the crank axis. That way they could use the old heads and pistons. Greg Locock (talk) 03:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No connection whatsoever to the Rover/Buick V8, and neither was it a development of the 4 cylinder Lotus 9xx engine. Blank-sheet design to showcase Lotus' engine capabilities. More detail here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.17.46 (talk) 23:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Greg, since you are obviously not an Esprit or Lotus expert why are you involved in this article at all? The 3.5L 918 engine was not related to the 907 2.0L or 910 2.2L I4 engines at all. The 918 V8 was a new design. There was a V8 engine that was derived from the I4 907 - 912 engines but it never reached production. It was to be used in the still-born Lotus Etna that also never reached production.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tevend (talk • contribs) 05:56, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any connection to the Rover 3.5L V8? 

message: In the "designers" section, shouldn't Carr also be listed? I suppose he is considered the 4th designer of the Lotus Esprit (V8 from 2002 to 2004).
ICE77 (talk) 23:11, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th generation designer 

message: Here is a picture of a new Esprit shown on Paris motor show:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcardinal/5094807075/ Gcardinal (talk) 01:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paris motor show 

message: I don't like the way it is presented. It implies that these people actually did the engineering. It should be said instead "Lotus stylists"
:Agreed, but fanbois and journalists do seem to think that stylists 'design' the cars. Sad but there ya go. Greglocock (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lotus Designers 

message: The article represents that all 1989 cars were chargecooled SE cars. This is not accurate at all. The GM Delco fuel injection was introduced on the 1989 North American cars but many were built without chargecoolers. Particularly the early 1989 cars. I think the article should correctly represent the existance of 1989 Delco EFI non-chargecooled cars.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tevend (talk • contribs) 06:08, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1989 Stevens part of article is not accurate 

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thread_title: File:Lotus Esprit S2 1980.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: Article updated to reflect cancellation of the Esprit project.   Excessive details of the proposed car removed as now irrelevant.Mr Tangle (talk) 19:23, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Esprit Cancelled 

message: I improved the layout since it didn't look so great. I also placed images in such a way they go with the test chronologically.
1. Since there are at least 5 generations, why not call the main sections "First generation" instead of "S1 (1976)" and so on?
2. Is the "New Esprit" considered a sixth generation Esprit?
3. Section "Essex Turbo Esprit (1980)" does not match the image that labeled "1980 Lotus Esprit Essex Turbo". The naming sequence should be consistent.
4. Finally, the Esprit designers should be followed by their generations. Instead of "Giorgetto Giugiaro", they should say something like "Giorgetto Giugiaro (1st/2nd/3rd generations).
ICE77 (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: re 1 and 2 and 4  Maybe because car companies don't generally refer to their models as generations? I'm sure you can find examples in the press, but internally cars have code names, numbers, or MY. If you want to see some hysterically funny/dull editing on the subject look at the Ford Fiesta article. Greglocock (talk) 23:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generations, section/image matching and designers 

message: I read the article and made improvements. I also spent a considerable amount of time comparing the production table (P), the list of designers (D) and this link: https://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_Models.htm (L). Please note the link does not include GT1 and GT2 models. Also, for some reason, Thomson is not listed along with Giugiaro and Stevens. As I put names of models, dates and production numbers side by side I see tons of discrepancies!			
			
I will use P, D and L for the discussion below.
Giugiaro
1. The "S1" model dates here are given as 1975-1978 (P) and 1976-1978 (D) but I also read 1976-1978 (L). The article states "S1" models started in 1975 but production started in 1976. The box  for "Series 1" models says 1976-1978. Dates should be consistent.		
	
2. The "S2" model has dates 1978-1981 (P and D) but I also read 1978-1980 (L). It also has different production numbers: 1061 (P) and 1060 (L). The dates and the numbers should match.		
	
3. The "JPS" model is missing (P) and it's repeated twice under Giugiaro (D). Were there really 2 "JPS" models? Also, the article says 149 "Commemorative Edition" Esprit cars were made (years not stated) but I read the "S2 JPS" model was produced in 1978-1979 with an estimated 147 cars (L).			
4. The "Essex Turbo Esprit" model is missing (P). I see 1980 (D) and 1980-1981 with 34+11 units (L).	
		
5. "S3" and "HC" models are not consistently listed which causes a lot of confusion and makes it hard to keep track of them (P and D). "S3" models were built in 1981-1987 (P), 1981-1987 (D - 81-86 for "S3" and 86-87 for "S3 HC") and 1981-1987 (L). "S3" model production was either 732 units (P) or 767 units (L). I read that "HC" models were built in 1980-1987 (P - I believe this should be limited to 86-87 so "HC" and "NA" should be split on two lines), 1986-1987 (D) and 1986-1987 (L). It's hard to tell what's the "HC" production since the "HC" models are lumped with "NA" models with 3155 units (P). The numbers seem to imply that 429 "Turbo Esprit" models were "HC"/"HCi" (L). I infer that "HC"/"HCi" models were built in 1986-1987 (429) and the rest was "NA" models (2726). However, "NA" models are not listed (D) and I don't understand what models are included in the "NA and HC" bundle (P) since "NA" stands for normally aspirated models for 1987-1990 (L). I can only guess "NA" models for 1980-1987 are a combination of "S3" and "S3 HC" models. I find production and designers sections quite out of synch and very confusing.		
	
6. The dates for the "Turbo Esprit" models are not consistent. I read 1981-1987 (P) and 1981-1987 (D - 81-86 for "Turbo Esprit" and 86-87 for "Turbo Esprit HC" and "Turbo Esprit HCi"). In terms of production it seems "Turbo Esprit" numbers are 2909 (P) or 1845 (L) and 429 were "Turbo Esprit HC" and "Turbo Esprit HCi" models (L). I infer that the "Turbo Esprit" was built in 1981-1986 (2909 or 1845) and "Turbo Esprit HC" and "Turbo Esprit HCi" models were built in 1986-1987 (429). I cannot correlate the "Turbo Esprit" numbers (P has 2909 and L has 1845 since I calculate a difference of 1064 - I am comparing apples to apples since "Turbo Esprit HC" and "Turbo Esprit HCi" models are listed separately in both P and L).			
				
Stevens
			
7. This article lists "Esprit (naturally aspirated) for 1988-1992 with 366 units (P) and "Esprit" for 1987-1990 under Stevens (D). This is certainly the version of the Esprit without turbo. I also read "NA" for 1987-1990 with 290 units (L). Names, dates and production data are inconsistent.	
		
8. My understanding is that "Turbo Esprit" applies to 1981-1987 (Giugiaro) and "Esprit Turbo" applies to 1987-1990 (Stevens). This article shows "Turbo" (Esprit) for 1981-1987 and (Esprit) "Turbo SE" for 1987-1993 (P). This article, under Stevens, also shows "Esprit SE" for 1989-1991 (presumably "Esprit Turbo SE") (D) but I do not see an "(Esprit) Turbo" (just (Esprit) Turbo but not SE) for 1987-1990 period (P). Here's an image of a 1989 Lotus Esprit Turbo: https://img.pistonheads.com/LargeSize/lotus/esprit/lotus-esprit-S3058113-2.jpg. The names and the dates should be consistent.	
		
9. The article lists "Turbo SE" for years 1987-1993 (P) and then "Esprit SE" for years 1989–91 (D). Isn't the proper name "Esprit Turbo SE"? This article has this image for a 1991 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1991_Lotus_Esprit_Turbo_SE_(US_model),_rear_left_at_Greenwich_2018.jpg. I also found an image of an Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (not sure the year): https://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_Turbo_SE_White.jpg. Here's a 1990 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE: https://www.swva.co.uk/wp-content/themes/salient-child/resize.php?src=https://www.swva.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Espirit-2.jpg&w=1240&h=800&q=90&a=c&zc=1&s=1. In this article I read 1987-1993 (P) and 1989-1991 (D) while elsewhere I found 1989-1993 (L). The names and the dates are inconsistent.		
	
10. The "Esprit S" is listed under Stevens (D) but not elsewhere (P and L). What are the production numbers?	
		
11a. I read that the "X180-R" was produced in 1990 with 2+20 units (P) and that the "X180R" was produced in 1991-1992 (D). Elsewhere I read that the "X180-R" was produced in 1991 (L). Spellings and dates do not match.		
	
11b. The article does not say anything about the "X180-R1" model (it actually says "Three more race cars were built for the 1991 season ... The new cars were designated Type 106, but adopted the X180R name as well"). It lists 3 units in 1991 (P) so I can only assume the "X180-R1" from 1991 (P) is lumped with "X180R" from 1990 (P) under "Esprit X180R" in 1991-1992 under Stevens (D). Spellings are inconsistent and dates do not match.			
12. This article lists a model called "Esprit SE HighWing" for 1992-1993 which I don't think it even exists (D) and it probably falls under (Esprit) Turbo SE (P). I presume that is a Lotus Esprit Turbo SE that mounts a high rear wing like some of the Esprits from the Thomson generation (Sport 300, S4s or V8). I believe the model in question would be something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Esprit#/media/File:Schaffen_Lotus_Esprit_01.JPG. However, I'm not sure the Esprit in the photo is an "Esprit Turbo". It may be simply an Esprit (NA) model with a high wing.			
			
13a. The "Sport 300" is listed for 1992-1995 (P), "Esprit Sport 300" for 1993 (D) and as "S300" for 1992-1995  (L). Dates do not overlap. Also, production numbers are different. The article says 50 but I read 64 (P and L).	
		
13b. The "Sport 300" is listed under Thomson (D - 1993-1999) but those cars started production in 1992 (L) so I do not understand the discrepancy. The rims for the "Sport 300" models are distinctively different and fairly unique to the Thomson era so I am confused. Also, the article explains the "Sport 300" model in the "X180" section. I can only assume Stevens worked for a short period on the car and Thomson took from there and developed it. However, if that is the case, it should be stated and dates should be adjusted as well as classification under Stevens or Thomson (D).	
		
13c. The "Sport 300" are clearly labeled as such. Is "S300" an unofficial equivalent?	
		
14a. The article lists "S4" for the years 1993-2004 in the top box. I also read "S4" for 1992-1996 (P) and "Esprit S4" for 1993-1996 (D). Elsewhere, I read "S4" for 1992-1996 (L). The dates of production do not match".	
		
14b. The article says "The S4 was succeeded in 1994 by the S4 Sport (S4s)". I then lists "S4s" for years 1994-1997 (P) and "Esprit S4s" for years 1995–96 (D). Elsewhere, I read "S4s" for years 1994-1997 (L). There is clearly an inconsistency with dates. It's either 1994-1997 or 1995-1996.			
14c. Calling the "Series 4"  "Lotus Esprit V8" is not correct since models like the "S4", "S4s" and "GT3" models have V4 engines.			
15. The article lists "V8" for the years 1996-2004 in the top box. I read "V8" in 1994-2004 with 1237 units (P), "Esprit V8" in 1996-1998 (D) and "V8 (GT & SE)" in 1996-2001 with 1231 units (204 "GT" and 1027 "SE") (L). "V8 GT" dates do not match (P: 1997-2001 and D: 1998-2001). "V8" must be "V8 SE" (P) but numbers  do not match (P: 1237 / L: 1027 - the difference is 210). I infer that "V8" (P) must include Thomson's "V8 SE" models (1027) and Carr's "V8" models (210). This is because 1237-1027=210 and 204 ("V8 GT") is a common number (P and L). Therefore "V8" (P) is listing two models with similar names ("V8 SE" and "V8") from two generations (Thomson and Carr). This does not sound right since they are different generations of designers and this is confusing. It makes it hard to keep track of the production numbers from a generation to another.	
		
16. The "Sport 350" is listed in 1999-2001 with 42 units (P), 1999 only (D) and 1999-2001 with 54 units (L). The article mentions 50 units which is contradicting. Years and production do not match.			
		
Thomson
	
17a. The article lists "Esprit V8" for 2002-2004 (D) which I proved it's lumped under "V8" with 210 units (P). Elsewhere, I read there is a model called "02" with 292 units so I assume "Esprit V8" and "02" are the same model. Production numbers are not available (P).		
	
17b. How can you tell a "V8 GT" from a "VT SE"?	
		
18a. The "GT1" section mentions that 3 cars were built and 2 of them were converted to "GT2" models . "GT1" models are not listed under Thomson (D). At a minimum, there should be a note to explain what I just summarized (P and D).		
	
18b. The "GT1" section says "recently dissolved Team Lotus". I assume this is a reference to the Formula 1 team. If that is the case, it should be stated and the year should be added. 			
			
19. In the "In film and on television" section what does ".5" mean in "Silver 1989.5 Esprit SE"?			
			
The evolution of the Esprit is truly fascinating. Although it was interesting to review model names, dates of production and production numbers, I struggled to reconcile labels and figures. I proved that several things are not properly aligned and I hope that somebody with knowledge and experience on the Esprit can shed some lights on the things I contested and correct this article accordingly.
ICE77 (talk) 10:05, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Models, dates and production discrepancies 

message: I am trying to understand/confirm the models/years for the following images. If you know, please let me know:
1. https://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_Stevens_Red.jpg
Label: 1991 Lotus Esprit (Stevens)
Comments: From the image I would say it's an Esprit (NA) since it says "ESPRIT", it does not have a hole in the front bumper and it lacks the rear spoiler. However, the 1991 tag does not seem right since the normally aspirated Esprit from Stevens's generation were not made past 1990 (unless it was produced in 1990 and sold in 1991).
2. https://www.aib-insurance.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Lotus_Esprit_6.jpg
Label: Lotus Turbo Esprit 
Comments: Turbo Esprit? Maybe Esprit Turbo? Notice the bottom of the car is black.
3. https://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_Turbo_SE_White.jpg
Label: Lotus Esprit Turbo SE
Comments: What is the year?
4. http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_S300_NA.JPG
Label: Lotus Esprit Sport 300 NA
Comments: It it correct? It looks to me like an S4s from the Thomson era because of the rims.
5. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/fd/23/bbfd23188ffae7c73f5365a0c481048d.jpg
Label: unavailable
Comments: What is the model? What is the year?
6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Esprit#/media/File:Schaffen_Lotus_Esprit_01.JPG
Label: Lotus Esprit (X180 redesign)
Comments: It looks like an Esprit (tag on the side) and and Esprit Turbo SE (hole in front bumper) with a big Thomson era rear spoiler. What is the model? What is the year?
7. https://www.lotusespritturbo.com/SE%202.JPG
Label: Lotus Esprit SE
Comments: Is it a Lotus Esprit Turbo SE?
8. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/e8/ee/02e8eed72f979736225bfeb94418668a.jpg
Label: Lotus Esprit V8
Comments: V8 (1996-1998), V8 GT (1998-2001) or V8 SE (1998-2001)? How can you tell them apart from each other?
In addition, I would like to make these comments:
The image at the top right is pretty ugly. I believe we can find a more glorious image for such a legendary car.
The image of the 1991 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (USA) is pretty ugly. There is plastic under the back of the car … really? Let's replace the image.
ICE77 (talk) 10:33, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lotus Esprit images 

message: Dunno if this reproduction of a magazine article is a good enough source, but I'm going for yes it is. https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/topic/95509-esprit-s1s-that-were-assembled-in-south-africa/ Greglocock (talk) 22:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Built in Cape Town 

message: I found an image of a 1991 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE Jim Clark Edition: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-lotus-esprit-5. I have seen other Lotus Esprit Turbo SE Jim Clark Edition on the Internet. Can anybody confirm that only 20 Jim Clark Edition cars have been built and that they are all 1991 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE? The Lotus Esprit Turbo SE Jim Clark Edition should be mentioned in the article.
ICE77 (talk) 08:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lotus Esprit Turbo SE Jim Clark Edition 

message: I found images of these 1999-2000 Lotus Esprit V8 on the Internet:
* https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-lotus-esprit-5
* https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-lotus-esprit-v8-3
According to this article the Thomson generation V8 models go from 1996 to 1998 and this is inconsistent. It should be corrected.
ICE77 (talk) 01:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  1999-2000 Lotus Esprit V8 

message: Arguments about how to say the name need settling. Is it "espree" or the way its spelled 92.14.181.237 (talk) 09:37, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation