Talk:Labour Government 2007-2010

message: Why doesn't this list include junior ministers? This would be the reasonable place to put such a list. -Rrius (talk) 04:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Junior ministers

message: Does anyone know yet who will replace Baroness Blaisdon as Government Chief Whip in the Lords? -Rrius (talk) 03:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lords Chief Whip

message: I think all the titles should be full titles, i.e. "Secretary of State for X" instead of "X Secretary". To mix and match just looks confusing. Comments? ninety:one 21:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In what way is it confusing? "Foreign Secretary" and "Home Secretary" are so much better known than the full titles that it would place pedantry above accessibility. I will change "Justice Secretary", though. -Rrius (talk) 05:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, "SoS for the Home Department" and "SoS for F&CA" aren't used at all (save in statute). I'm happy with it how it is now. ninety:one 22:11, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles 

message: We seem to have no page which lists junior ministers in the Labour governments since 1997.  For the period before 1997, going back into the early nineteenth century, we have pages which list the whole of the government in the format Conservative Government 1979-1997 or Liberal Government 1892-1895.  But somehow, for the last twelve years, we don't seem to list junior ministers anywhere.  We have this page and Blair Ministry, both of which only cover the cabinet.  This goes to a broader point, which is that we have articles like "Blair Ministry" or "First Pitt ministry" - these were largely split off from the articles on the individual PMs, and list only cabinet members.  Then we have the "Labour Government 1924" or "Conservative Government 1886-1892" type articles, which list all members of the government, and were created as individual articles.  We ought, at any rate, to have an article that talks about junior ministers. john k (talk) 16:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's going to be difficult to find junior ministers over the last twelve years. The government damn near archives everything every twelve hours. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If we have junior ministers for the whole period up to 1997, it surely shouldn't be too difficult to find them for the last twelve years?  john k (talk) 01:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. It's beyond me how they were found. Therequiembellishere (talk) 04:36, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are references books with lists of ministers going back to 1830 which were used for most of them.  This edition seems to be complete through the 2005 election, and ends with the ministers appointed in the reshuffle which followed the election.  So that'd get us most of Blair's government.  If somebody had been keeping track of who the current government of the UK was since wikipedia started, we'd then be home free, but somehow we don't seem to have an article which lists current members of the government, rather astonishingly. john k (talk) 05:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Junior ministers