Talk:Hyun Jin Moon

message: I've been in the church nearly 30 years and have closely followed the "successorship issue". No mention has been made publicly, or even with church circles, of any successor to Rev. Moon other than his wife, Hak Ja Han Moon. This may come as a surprise to those who regard the UC as anti-feminist, but you can google it for yourself or contact UC headquarters in Washington, D.C. and ask for yourself. --Uncle Ed 03:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Ed.  A couple of other points.  Rev. Moon does not need anyone to succeed him as the Messiah; the job is already finished.  If people are talking about succeeding him as the leader of the church I think they mostly have an exaggerated idea of the importance of that position; frankly we do not always do the things that Rev. Moon tells us to do -- how much less for some future leader.  Steve Dufour 17:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: p.s. You could always start a new article on the subject of Rev. Moon's successor since this seems to be such an interesting topic to some people. Steve Dufour 17:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Early comments

message: So it seems that an anonymous IP user came along to make his first ever edit less than an hour after I restored the sourced material deleted repeatedly by SanViejo, a relatively new user whose only edits are on Hyun Jin Moon. What an amazing coincidence!
:User:SanViejo replies: The implication being that SanViejo came in and anonymously deleted a section. Not true. Despite the proximity of time and tons of circumstantial evidence, I did not make the anonymous deletion. Not certain who did, although I could probably nail it in two or three guesses. While you and I disagree on many things, all my edits are signed. And always will be Sanviejo (talk) 19:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hyun Jin Moon's documented violence - repeatedly deleted

message: As we know it was Rev. Moon's insistence that his followers drink the Blessed Wine in the marriage ceremonies which was to erase the original sin from their blood; unfortunately since this is not the way to remove the blood taint which comes from the lineage of the devil it is apparent that the sociopathic violence of Rev. Moon's children and their behavior in other areas is a good indication that Rev. Moon was unable to erase the root of sin; there being only one way to do so; which perhaps might make a good article for wikipedia using the book "Divine Principle" itself and showing how it really MUST be done; which involves the Revelation of Jesus Christ; a book which Rev. Moon steadfastly has ignored; even though it is the Book of Life of the Lamb; which he claims to be. The fact that he never explained what is his "own book" is a dazzlingly clear example that our "lamb" Mr. Moon never came into contact with the information he was to have revealed starting with the 4 position foundation illustrated by the 4 Seraphim in chapter 4 of the Revelation: thus doing it "by the book" so to speak. A very sad state of affairs.  Unicorn144 13:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The failure of erasing the original sin as seen in Rev. Moon's children

message: If "Rev. Moon is the Messiah." is a fringe view, then "Rev. Moon was the Messiah but failed in his mission." is a fringe view of a fringe view. Steve Dufour (talk) 20:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Let's put it this way:
:Despite rumors and speculation that Father Moon might appoint his son Hyun Jin as his successor [use MI link here], it was rather Hyung Jin  who was actually appointed. ref "Hyung Jin is the international president of the Family Federation for World Peace and has been designated by his father as the person who will carry on his religious work." 
I've seen rumor after rumor about this or that son being the successor, but don't we all agree that nothing matters other than what the church founder himself says? --Uncle Ed (talk) 20:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Ed, as you have been told dozens of times -- "nothing matters other than what…" reliable third party sources say. If you want a wiki where "nothing matters other than what the church founder himself says", then go and create Unificapedia. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 03:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In which guideline page does that idea appear? Please give me a link and/or a quote, or I must assume the idea is only your own opinion. --Uncle Ed (talk) 01:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Succession issue (again)

message: I am guilty of recently deleting the "Criticism" portion in the Hyun Jin Moon article. I know that it will keep coming back up no matter how many times its deletion is attempted. Be that as it may, I would like the person in charge, or the monitoring person, to take into consideration that it is misleading to quote Dan Fefferman's 1992 article regarding Hyun Jin Moon's view on "tough love" or "violence." As the Wikipedia article on Hyun Jin Moon states, he was born in 1969. He was 23 years old in 1992 when the referenced journal "# ^ Dan Fefferman, "The Victory of (All You Need is) Love," Currents: A Journal of Unificationist Thought and Culture," Vol. 3, No. 3, Summer 1992, p.14." was published. And he was probably even younger when he made the statements about "love" that Dan Fefferman refers to. It is doubtful that Hyun Jin Moon was laying down his full view of love or that he was setting any serious precedent for the Unification Movement or future generations with those comments. Simplewords16 (talk) 18:44, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Really one person's opinion about another person is against the spirit of WP:BLP policies. I have also tried to remove this statement from the article (including mentions on the BLP notice board), and backed off when I was not able to find WPers who were willing to treat Rev. Moon's family members as "living persons." Steve Dufour (talk) 18:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored the repeatedly deleted sourced material. It is in no way a "personal attack." The quoted statement speaks for itself; the author's characterizing it as "condoning violence" cannot possibly be controversial - it is obvious from the quotation. This is issue is even more important and relevant after recent events - Hyun Jin Moon's repeatedly violent behavior toward church leaders in Brazil, covered by media reports. -Exucmember (talk) 09:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in total agreement that Hyun Jin Nim should be criticized. But why not use the news media reports you mentioned as sources, rather than quote someone's opinion from a semi-self-published source? Steve Dufour (talk) 15:36, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted content on violence, April 2010

message: This article needs to be updated. There has been quite of bit of substantial press coverage in the past few months. Steve Dufour (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I plan to work on this and other articles on the Moon family when I get around to it. Borock (talk) 17:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

text: User:Borock are you still looking at working on this article? I've added some information, but struggling to find more about his career that doesn't look like puffery. Any additional help would be appreciated. Verdict78 (talk) 16:18, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Article updates needed

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message: There are two articles Global Peace Foundation, and  Family Peace Association. From what they say these seem to be the same organization.  If so it seems to me that the articles should be merged. SnailsSpace (talk) 05:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Both organizations are mentioned in this article. There doesn't seem to be a problem. BookeWorme (talk) 01:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  His organizations or organization?