Talk:Total institution

message: "The North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics could also be considered a total institution in regards to their Nazi-like policies."
???
There is something like commensurability. It should be applicable even at Wikipedia.
Kind regards
I deleted Nazi-like policies, unless someone comes up with a good reason for the comparison.Bronayur 19:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nazi-like policies

message: what about general education up until the end HS?
it pretty much meets the definition
--Dumbing Us Down: 
--lies my teacher told me
--newciv.org/whole/schoolteacher.txt
so on  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.38.243 (talk) 23:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: schooling

message: ‘According [sic] S. Lammers and A. Verhey, some 80 percent of Americans will ultimately die not in their home, but in a total institution.[2]:853 In recent decades the nursing home industry has quickly extended, and particular regions of the country have become huge territorial nursing homes where we hide the aged and they hide from us.[2]:853 Long before their death, they are buried in the folds of the total institution, hidden, out of sight and out of mind.[2]:853 In the United States, dying in a total institution has become a common experience.[12]:495’
Even if this is NPOV, it needs to be rewritten to appear so, in my opinion, and its placement under the heading ‘Facts’ also seems questionable. Thoughts? WikitorrensT 12:00, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible NPOV vio 

message: Here's three easy searches in Google reflecting areas not addressed on the Article Page:
1.  criticism of Goffman's total institution concept
2.  greedy and total institutions
3.  "as a total institution" 
Note:  in #3 use the quote marks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.218.248 (talk) 16:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maybe most of the stuff on the Article page should be identified as the "Classical" interpretation of the total institution concept  

message: If one institution is total, the archetype of total institution in fact, then it is school, isn't it? Why isn't it adressed in this field and the article? denis 'spir' (talk) 09:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  what about school? 

message: I previously removed the section on "universities" in this article, since this section promotes a fringe theory and doesn't cite any reliable sources. Aside from one article by Gibbon, Canterbury, and Litten (1999)https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-41723275/colleges-as-total-institutions-implications-for-admission the view that colleges and universities can be considered total institutions is not represented in the sociology literature as far as I could find. Their article's claim is more reserved than Wright's---the authors argue only that colleges and universities "approximate total institutions," and that this analogy is useful in framing discussions on issues in administration and admissions.
John Paul Wright is not a sociologist and has no academic credentials in sociology. His article (published in a magazine that may not be considered a reliable source,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_249#%22Greviance_Studies%22_scandal_-_use_of_peer-reviewed_journals_as_RS) briefly describes Erving Goffman's concept of a "total institution," but doesn't define it with any clarity, or establish an argument that colleges and universities fit Goffman's criteria for being considered total institutions. As his article is a personal reflection, it cites no sources and doesn't attempt to engage with other literature.
If it really is important for Wikipedia to reflect the view that universities are total institutions, this article should contain Gibbon, Canterbury, and Litten's argument before quoting a personal reflection by Wright, particularly since the quote doesn't explain why the established definition of a total institution applies to universities in any precise way. My personal opinion is that this article's treatment of the subject is not improved by discussing this view, and that the section should be removed again.
68.100.136.55 (talk) 21:10, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with this removal.  Quillette doesn't pass WP:RS, so just being published there doesn't make something noteworthy; and the author's expertise in criminal justice isn't relevant.  If we're going to cover it we would need better sources. --Aquillion (talk) 00:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing "Universities" section