Talk:Jonathan Ross

message: Is Jonathan Ross jewish? Is there a confusion here with the actor called Jonathan Adam Ross who is Jewish? Source please. --Dumbo1 21:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure, but his wife is. --78.86.159.199 (talk) 16:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish

message: Should there be mention of Karl Pilkington's fascinating discussion of Jonathan Ross' penis in episode two of the Ricky Gervais show? --71.107.254.235 04:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who? Rodhullandemu 17:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jonathan Ross' knob 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
Jonathan Ross (television presenter) → Jonathan Ross — 
Since this is the most notable "Jonathan Ross" on Wikipedia, I propose this article be renamed to "Jonathan Ross". There is already a disambiguation page for the other uses which is being referred to by this article. Rebroad 21:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
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* Oppose - I don't think it is clear that Jonathan Ross (television presenter) , a media personality known little outside his own country is more notable than Jonathan Ross (senator), who served in a national government and is still being written about 100 years later. -- Patleahy 21:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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* I inserted the WP:RMtalk template which should be used for Requested move discussions. -- Patleahy 21:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I made a mistake when I put the note about the move we are discussing on the article page for Jonathan Ross (senator) and not the talk page. I have not moved it to the talk page. I have also removed the note on the article page for Jonathan Ross (television presenter). This is now in line with the instructions at WP:RM. I apologise for my mistake. -- Patleahy 19:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The notability of the UK celebrity is evidently great; he is one of the most recognisable figures on British television, and has been for some time. The argument is not so easy to make for the US senator. We have full details of his education, and positions filled, from the cradle to the grave, but no sign that he actually did anything as senator worth noting, other than simply being a senator. Against that backdrop, I cannot see any conclusion other than to declare that the TV presenter is much more significant than the US politician, and the move the pages as requested. Yes, Google hits are biased towards recent figures, but sometimes recent figures really are more well-known than older ones. This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. Concomitantly, Jonathan Ross has been moved to Jonathan Ross (disambiguation). --Stemonitis 20:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

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* Oppose - I don't think it is clear that Jonathan Ross (television presenter) , a media personality known little outside his own country is more notable than Jonathan Ross (senator), who served in a national government and is still being written about 100 years later. -- Patleahy 21:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

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* I inserted the WP:RMtalk template which should be used for Requested move discussions. -- Patleahy 21:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a mistake when I put the note about the move we are discussing on the article page for Jonathan Ross (senator) and not the talk page. I have not moved it to the talk page. I have also removed the note on the article page for Jonathan Ross (television presenter). This is now in line with the instructions at WP:RM. I apologise for my mistake. -- Patleahy 19:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
The notability of the UK celebrity is evidently great; he is one of the most recognisable figures on British television, and has been for some time. The argument is not so easy to make for the US senator. We have full details of his education, and positions filled, from the cradle to the grave, but no sign that he actually did anything as senator worth noting, other than simply being a senator. Against that backdrop, I cannot see any conclusion other than to declare that the TV presenter is much more significant than the US politician, and the move the pages as requested. Yes, Google hits are biased towards recent figures, but sometimes recent figures really are more well-known than older ones. This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. Concomitantly, Jonathan Ross has been moved to Jonathan Ross (disambiguation). --Stemonitis 20:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I'm not going to formally introduce this at requested moves while the above request is still active but I'd like to bring up the notion that this article should be at Jonathan Ross (broadcaster). The reason being he is a presenter on radio, not just television, (though it is for discussion whether his television presenting career is more notable) and a film critic. The subjects of "presenter" disambiguated articles tend to be just radio and/television presenters but his film critic job brings in a third element. David Frost (broadcaster), Andrew Collins (broadcaster) and Richard Skinner (broadcaster), to name a few, all follow this pattern. Thoughts? WindsorFan 18:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ignore this – I misread the above discussion.WindsorFan 12:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name... again 

message: It is TRUE that ross recorded a cameo for halo3! ive added a brief sentance. Lord Cuthberton  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 21:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true, he is definately in there somewhere - as a Marine I believe. But I have no proof for this. However, note that Nathan Fillion, Alan Tudyk and Adam Baldwin also Make Celebrity Cameos. I'm guessing it was probably supposed to be a secret? JamesR87 11:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HALO 3 

message: Is it in any way relevant to add that Jonathan was born a day after those two mentioned blokes died, or that he shared a birtday with Peter Cook? If no one objects I'll be removing that part monday evening. Allthecoolnamesweretaken 19:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal life

message: Why is there no mention of Woss's -- sorry, Ross's famous speech impediment?  I don't know the name for the condition that makes him substitute "w" for "r" (my mum said it's a form of lisp, but the Wiki article doesn't seem to say so), but I think it should be mentioned as it's part of his TV persona -- even he makes light of it.  I think it deserves a place on Wi-- sorry, Rikipedia! Dave-ros (talk) 20:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is already mentioned, in the "Personal Life" section, as is the nickname "Wossy", and I don't think it bears repetition. I don't see it as an impediment because that connotes disability. Neither do I see it as a disorder, for the same reason. --Rodhullandemu 21:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that it's in the "Personal Life" section I think makes this argument moot.  Right now it's buried in a paragraph about his kids' names so I'll add a line break and we can call it good...or continue the discussion.Meddlecascade (talk) 00:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speech problem 

message: He's from Leytonstone as he has said on his programs various times.
:BORN in Camden, GREW UP in Leytonstone, as his biog (referenced) makes clear. --Rodhullandemu 23:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth 

message: Why has that picture been chosen? Is it supposed to make JR look like a rapist?
I recommend finding another one.
FreemDeem (talk) 18:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As a living person, we a limited to copyright-free images; please feel free to go out and take one and upload it here. --Rodhullandemu 18:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why...? 

message: please delete "both"
Cck973 (talk) 19:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted, sorted.--EchetusXe (talk) 19:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sense error in Russell Brand prank calls row section  

message: I have spent a short while improving it. If someone else wants to go further I suggest re-writing the broadcasting career section which looks a bit bland now, just reads 'On date and then he did this, then this, then this' etc.--EchetusXe (talk) 19:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improve article 

message: Both weasel words but WP:NPOV and WP:V suggest we go with what is supported by the sources. Since a rather silly edit war has arisen (and will probably end up in WP:LAME) over which to use, and one editor is a floating IP, I have protected the article for three days while you sort this out here. --Rodhullandemu 16:07, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just noticed this debate and agree. What a silly edit war and I can't believe I'm commenting on this, but here goes. The word was originally 'occasionally' then it was changed to 'often' a few days ago. That seemed a bit misleading to me so I tried to find a more suitable word. Perhaps it might be a good idea to leave it out altogether and just have 'he has been involved in controversy'. TheRetroGuy (talk) 16:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute over "sometimes" or "often" controversial 

message: It has been reported that no people in showbusiness will entertain his show.  Tom Cruise has rejected him he stated he has no wish to be involved in the controversy.  Most sensible people of medial direction will reject any interface with Jonathan Ross he has become a media pariah, quite rightly so.  This should be included in the article.  It is quite a unique situation.
:except that's untrue, as Tom Cruise is appearing on the show tonight  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.224.185 (talk) 07:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: and, of course, highlights the need for reliable sources, as opposed to otherwise. --Rodhullandemu 00:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Nobody can seriously regard the Daily Mail as a reliable source for anything but arthritic grumblings and spittle-flecked jealous rantings (sorry, I meant to say, as a reliable source for the genuine concerns of its Middle England readership). SilkTork *YES! 12:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rejection of interview with major stars 

message: As much as I like Jonathan Ross, and as much as I detest having to source the Daily Mail, Ross's integrity as a film reviewer must come into question when he is so chummy with film stars (and film star wannabes) on his chat show.  His review of the embarrassingly contrived and terribly acted Lesbian Vampire Killers came on the same Film 2009 show in which he had interviewed its stars in a cloyingly ingratiating manner.  If this were on Sky it would be less of a problem, but the Film franchise surely deserves better?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/reviews/article-1163268/Consistently-abominable-Lesbian-Vampire-Killers.html
Guardian review, which also believes the film is anything but "fangtastic"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/mar/22/leasbian-vampire-killers
Guv2006 (talk) 12:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We cannot say this ourselves; please see WP:SYNTH, WP:OR. If anyone else has pointed this out, we can cite them if they are a reliable source. Rodhullandemu 13:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Integrity?

message: The "Hannah Montana comment" section incorrectly quotes from Jonathan Ross's comment on a radio show.  (The incorrect quote has also appeared in a number of publications.)
The quote is given as:
"If your son asks for a Hannah Montana MP3 player, you might want to already think about putting him down for adoption before he brings his, erm, partner home."
However, Ross actually said:
"If your son asks for a Hannah Montana MP3 player, then you might want to already think about putting him down for adoption in later life when they settle down with their partner"
It is important to get this quote right, as Ross was saying that the hypothetical gay son would adopt a child later in life - ie. the gay son would be the adopter rather than the adoptee. In contrast, the misquote implies that Ross was suggesting gay children should be 'given away' for adoption, which has been the source of the accusations of homophobia.
Original quote available to hear:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isM9mj20c6M
EightPass (talk) 01:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've included the original quote although I left out speculation on what Ross meant by it because of a possible conflict with WP:ORIG. MaesterTonberry (talk) 14:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in "Hannah Montana comment" section  

message: The article states that Jonathn Ross and his wife featured in a Neil Gaiman short story; the story appeared in the collection 'Smoke and Mirrors', not 'Fragile Things' HuzzahHenry (talk) 13:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in 'Personal life' section 

message: There is no mention of Americana the 3 part documentary series from 1992 which Ross wrote/narrated. Please add a bit about that. Lowbrau (talk) 23:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be useful if you could add a bit more information and perhaps find one or two references. Also, you could try writing an article about it. TheRetroGuy (talk) 00:22, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Have now created a very basic article, see Americana (1992 TV series). Feel free to add to and expand this. TheRetroGuy (talk) 00:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Americana 

message: It has just been announced that Ross is leaving the BBC. Reported as breaking news on BBC News channel. It may be best to wait for an article to appear on a news website before including in the article.
SimonMayer (talk) 10:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've covered it. Handy that the page was semi-protected to begin with, saved the usual drama. WFCforLife (talk) 10:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaving the BBC 

message: The date on the article is incorrect.  Can it be updated to the correct time (or sooner?).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.36.100 (talk) 22:32, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  When exactly does Jonathan Ross cease to work for the BBC? 

message: Can we not add it to his occupations?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.143.111 (talk) 22:52, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comic book writing 

message: Does the comment about Madonna's adopted son at the 2006 British comedy awards qualify as a controversy? The video is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXEO9P3IBEE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poikkeusreitti (talk • contribs) 22:02, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think only if commented upon by reliable sources, but such references are not unusual in UK comedy. Rodhullandemu 22:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna / black baby comment 

message: Ross is now an exec at Microsoft - an executive producer for the Xbox Games Divison, apparently. 129.180.175.45 (talk) 12:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Executive at Microsoft 

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message: Hello; the section "Homophobia accusation" has been removed by 90.255.179.206; I reverted this as unexplained content removal, and the IP editor reverted my restoration. Does anyone else have an opinion on whether this section should remain, or comments? Thank you. Tol | Talk | Contribs 23:52, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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message: So there's a rule against WP:CSECTIONs. Jack Upland (talk) 05:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies section