Talk:Drosopigi, Florina

message: Further organized active vs. inactive topics.  drosopigi (talk) 23:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: == Belkamen not an alternative name for the current village ==
drosopigi (talk) 20:26, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My father, who is from Drosopigi, confirms this. It seems the term Aromanians is being mistakenly used to describe Vlahi. 35.129.29.67 (talk) 03:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Active topics 

message: drosopigi (talk) 20:26, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belkamen not an alternative name for the current village 

message: Added Infobox (DONE) drosopigi (talk) 20:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Format and style [Move article to more compliant/encyclopedic style] 

message: References to names of the contributors in the article is against wikipedia policy, so these will need to be removed.  You can create a real user account for yourself if you want your name (or someone else's) to go down in perpetuity.
Out of politeness, I'd rather the original authors remove these themselves.  --drosopigi 22:58, 21 December 2007
It appears I'll have to remove these myself.  In the orignal article it stated it was "Written by Ioannis Dedes. Revised by Sarah Harissis."  This is now removed. drosopigi (talk) 19:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal references 

message: I don't recognize 2 of the images added to the Drosopigi, Florina article by Greekfan21 as locations within the village, old or new.  The mystery church is shown in Image:276.JPG and Image:1275.JPG specifically. drosopigi (talk) 19:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images correctly belong to Drosopigi? 

message: Elatia was a small village located on the mountainside across from old Drosopigi.  Like Drosopigi, it was subject to policy of forced relocation by the Greek government in 1947, but it was so small its inhabitants did not return to rebuild, but rather, rebuilt in new Drosopigi.  I think it's an interesting little fact to work back into the article, and the images I've removed could come back into play once this is sorted out.  drosopigi (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elatia 

message: Reordering these items to reflect which are most needed to be addressed. drosopigi (talk) 23:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My father, who is from Drosopigi, confirms this. It seems the term Aromanians is being mistakenly used to describe Vlahi. 35.129.29.67 (talk) 03:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy and Consistency 

message: 1. The "The Old Village" states that after 1926, when Belkameni became Drosopigi, "Of course everyone still referred to it as Belkamen and the people as Arnaouts." requires some kind of reference or a qualification, as this clearly was a temporary event. 
Changed "everyone" to "some people".  I'm still wondering if this point is necessary. (IN PROGRESS)  drosopigi (talk) 00:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My father, who is from Drosopigi, confirms this. It seems the term Aromanians is being mistakenly used to describe Vlahi. 35.129.29.67 (talk) 03:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arnaouts, Arvanites, Aromanians 

message: In "Drosopigi Present", is this sentence: "The old village lies in ruins never to be touched. Family member long past still buried have not been touched, left in the past only to think about them in their family members dreams."  I'm not sure what this means, other than the general sense that once a loved one passes away, the living family are only left with their memories.  It's noteworthy, if you've been to the Old Village (Palio Horio) recently, that the cemetery has been completely cleared.  The dirt road to the Palio Horio was also in good shape, and you could drive all the way to the cemetery (although, we chose to hike). I can state for a fact that this was the case in August 2007. At the time, if you knew where your family members tombstones were, you could visit them like any other cemetery (I have photos to verify this).  It's accurate, of course, that most of the Palio Horio lies in ruins.  I just want to point out that there are some attempts to keep up (i.e. "touch") parts of it.  This section is also mentioned elsewhere for it's essay style.  drosopigi (talk) 23:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Condition of Old Village 

message: Why is the Greek word "Μπαλκαμένη" and the English word "Belkameni"?  Shouldn't it be "Balkameni" to be as phonetically similar as possible to the associated Greek word?  drosopigi (talk) 00:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belkameni vs. Balkameni 

message: In "The Burning of the Old Village", it discusses the fact that the villagers work hard to clean the evidence of the battle and the hide the bodies of the dead nazi german soldiers.  Their motivation for doing so, was so that the Germans would not enact their policy to kill 10-20 civilians for every killed soldier, a fact that would have a had a far more detrimental impact on the village in the long-term.  Will try to verify what the belief was at the time to add this point.  drosopigi (talk) 00:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motivation for hiding bodies of dead solidiers 

message: == Providing references ==
There are plentiful references on the history of Drosopigi, although all of it is in Greek, and much of it is hand written.  The (already) mentioned Drosopigi website , however, is very accessible and contains a number of items that can already be utilized. (IN PROGRESS) --drosopigi
== Cross-linking ==
There are many topics in this article that can and should connect with other articles.  (DONE) --drosopigi
== Specific named references and/or dedications ==
There are other names referenced in the article that should also be removed.  See, "Many families from Drosopigi (like Dedes, Manou, Stathopoulos, Hantes, Marou, Harissis, Strembenis and many others) started to find ...".  These can perhaps be moved to a dedicated page for families who've moved from the village, and be referenced from this article.  Likewise, the finishing line "This webpage about Drosopigi gose to all the Drosopigiotes that live in Rochester...." is touching, but also not appropriate for wikipedia.  If there was a website dedicated for Drosopigites living in Rochester, then this wiki would include it as one of its external references.  drosopigi (talk) 22:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inactive topics 

message: There are other names referenced in the article that should also be removed.  See, "Many families from Drosopigi (like Dedes, Manou, Stathopoulos, Hantes, Marou, Harissis, Strembenis and many others) started to find ...".  These can perhaps be moved to a dedicated page for families who've moved from the village, and be referenced from this article.  Likewise, the finishing line "This webpage about Drosopigi gose to all the Drosopigiotes that live in Rochester...." is touching, but also not appropriate for wikipedia.  If there was a website dedicated for Drosopigites living in Rochester, then this wiki would include it as one of its external references.  drosopigi (talk) 22:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specific named references and/or dedications 

message: (DONE) --drosopigi drosopigi (talk) 23:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding captions with images 

message: Reordering these items to reflect which are most needed to be addressed. drosopigi (talk) 23:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy and Consistency 

message: In "The Old Village", it begins by saying "The original village (known as Belkamen)...".  In fact, the locals presently refer to it as the "Old Village" or "To Palio Horio", because no one has used the name "Belkameni" since the 1920s, so they need a way to differentiate between Drosopigi present and Drosopigi past. 
This particular reference seems accurate now that I've moved this piece from the intro to its own section, and the rest of it seems OK now. (talk) 00:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belkamen vs. Palio Horio [resolved] 

message: The article refers to "Belkamen" in numerous places, and mentions "Belkameni" once parenthetically.  My understanding, however, is that "Belkamen" was the name of the area, given by the Turks, and "Belkameni" the name that caught on for the village as a result. Thus, "Belkameni" would be the more correct (original) village name.  
Turns out the correct usage, "Belkameni" was being used later in the article.  Changed appropriate references from "Belkamen" to "Belkameni" for consistency. drosopigi (talk) 23:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belkamen vs. Belkameni [resolved]

message: The words "Village" and "village" seem to be used interchangeably in the article.  Any reason why we shouldn't go with the lower cased version throughout?  --drosopigi
Looking at other articles for examples, it's clear that when using the long version of the official name (e.g. The City of San Francisco, or The City of Rochester), "City" should be capitalized.  Otherwise, it should be lowercase. "Village" can follow this same pattern.   --drosopigi  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.13.84 (talk) 18:16, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Village vs. village [resolved] 

message: In "The Burning of the Old Village", there is an issue with the timeline.  The smaller issue is that the killing of the German soldiers is claimed to have occured on April 4th, the same day of the burning.  According to the village website, the German soldiers were killed on April 3rd.  The more glaring contradiction, is "It took a week for the Nazis to suspect that their soldiers were executed."  If the Drosopigi website is correct that the Germans were killed on the 3rd, and that the village burned down on on 4th, then this should be removed. (DONE) --drosopigi  —Preceding comment was added at 18:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline of Old Village being burned [resolved] 

message: Bravo Belkameni for being proud Arvanite ...from Dodona  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.60.25.150 (talk) 06:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bravo Belkameni !!

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