Talk:Pete Best/Archive 1

message: I am no expert on the beatles or pete best, but this article sounds biased against pete best.  No where in the article is he even quoted, although there are plenty of quotes that esentially paint him as a buffoon.
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I agree.  But the person who put it up did quote Lennon.
I've been a Beatles fan for a long time and I've heard conflicting stories about why he was dismissed from The Beatles. PBS recently aired a Pete Best biography called "Best of the Beatles".  But that could be biased for him and not necessarily the truth.  
I guess we'll never really know.  He was a guest at a NY Beatles convention recently and did a pretend bow every time Paul McCartney's name was mentioned. I can't say much about his drumming, but you couldn't have the Beatles w/out Ringo.  So it all worked for the best. ;)
Pun not intended.
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I didn't really think this article was biased, at first, but when I went back and looked again, I wound up changing it quite a bit to hopefully balance the viewpoint a bit. Heck, I only came here to add a bit from a game show that I have on a VHS tape (called Fun With the Fab Four, btw). Anyway, I hope this helps remove the perceived bias. :) Eaglizard 09:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article sounds distinctly biased against Best 

message: I added a photo on 3/2 to show the mellow and relaxed Pete Best of today. The caption read, "Pete Best in 2005 with record producer Miriam Linna of Norton Records." The photo was removed a few days later on the claim that it was promoting someone. Actually, it's just a photo of the two smiling, and it was necessary to identify Linna. If she isn't identified, then it immediately raises the question: Who is she? The true nature and meaning of the photo is altered if I crop to show only Best, so I'd rather not do that. Pepso 12:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo to offset bias

message: Note that edits inserting supposed information about "Marc Tufano" are vandalism and should be reverted on sight.  This has affected multiple articles (Robert De Niro, The Beatles, etc. etc.) -- Curps 14:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tufano" vandalism 

message: The picture link is broken. Telliott 17:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture 

message: I also believe this article is biased. It reads like it was written by a Pete Best fan and needs a lot of work. In fact, the proofreading needs some work itself. Incredibly, no one has challenged the statement "Some have speculated that Apple Records head Neil Aspinall, who reportedly remains friendly with Best, saw to it that Best would be compensated". "Some have speculated"? "Reportedly"?  These are weasel words if I ever saw any. Amazingly, someone asked for the source of the quote that immediately preceded this and left the "some have speculated/reportedly" quote alone. What's up with that? If we're going to ask for sources, let's not just attack the stuff we don't want to hear and leave things we want to hear unchallenged. Anyway, I don't feel I know enough about Pete Best to fix the article, and I don't want to mess it up further, so I'm leaving it alone. Perhaps a Beatle fan with sources he or she has collected over the years could rewrite this one.  Celedor15 20:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have cleaned a lot of sentences, added Headers, info, references, and photos. egde 09:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This article needs a lot of work

message: There is a lot of stuff (with good references) on other Beatle's pages (look at the status board on the project page) that can be copied/paraphrased into this article. :) egde 18:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I snipped this trivia section as it was a list of non-notable mentions of a well known piece of recent history. It is possible some of these quotes could be built into a proper essay on Best's significance as a  walking-metaphor for missed opportunities, but since it's mostly a generational in-joke, probably not. / edgarde 20:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work. andreasegde 18:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References in popular culture 

message: Why no mention of them? They're considered important enough to mention in The Beatles, and yet more relevant here. google:pete+best+blackjacks --kingboyk 19:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackjacks 

message: After George Martin has got his GA, Pete Best is next. --andreasegde 10:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA

message: I have nominated it, but it's not quite finished. The backlog on the nom page should give me a few days to clear up some minor problems. --andreasegde 10:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Minor problems are nearly cleared up. --andreasegde 12:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's ready, but I don't know how long it will take to get a review. --andreasegde 16:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA

message: *The infobox mentions that he was a baker, yet I don't see this mentioned elsewhere in the article.  I doubt it was notable, so it should be removed from the infobox.
 It has gone. --andreasegde 17:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a tricky one, because in the 11 previous GA articles I have worked on, the advice was always to do them as you suggested, or as they are here, but not both in a mixed-up way. I once consulted an Admin (kingboyk) about this in the past, and he agreed. Mimi Smith and Paul McCartney both went for an FAR and the reference formatting (the same as is in this article) was not an issue. --andreasegde 17:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reference 6 has gone, but 3 and 4 have a statement on the main page that says, "Beatles Ireland would like to thank Bill Harry and Virgin Publications in giving their permission to use these files." On each page it says (at the bottom): "Copyright: Bill Harry, from 'The Beatles Encyclopedia', published by Virgin Publications." --andreasegde 14:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Not much chance of Wiki-linking them, as they are not notable, except for one or two concerts, and Brown was in The Quarrymen --andreasegde 17:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the review. I've started, but will finish it tonight. --andreasegde 10:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done them all, but I will go through them again just to check. --andreasegde 18:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Passed. Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 01:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thank you kindly, Sir. --andreasegde (talk) 09:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nomination on hold

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: Any edit made without a verifiable reference will be deleted, including edits that are slipped into referenced sentences, BTW. --andreasegde (talk) 02:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Although Martin used a session drummer for The Beatles' first single—as many producers did at the time
As any reliable Beatle source will tell you, the original British single of Love Me Do used a take featuring Ringo on drums. It's the version on the album Please Please Me that uses session man Andy White on drums. By all accounts, the Andy White version didn't turn up on a UK single until 1976, when Love Me Do was reissued by Parlophone along with numerous other Beatle singles. 217.155.20.163 (talk) 20:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, please provide any reliable Beatle source to that effect. Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave (talk) 21:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are quite correct my friend! Ringo did play on the first red label pressing: Record Collector Rare Record Price Guide p99. I have ammended the article, thanks! Vera, Chuck & Dave (talk) 18:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love Me Do 

message: Striving for a page number and a quote about what Epstein said in the office.... --andreasegde (talk) 16:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny thing, I just watched an episode of I've Got a Secret from the Spring of 1964 where Pete Best was a contestant and his secret was "I quit my job two years ago".  After the game, he said he quit the Beatles to form his own group and that he did not know they would become even more popular and regretted leaving a little bit.EagleFan (talk) 13:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He was so handsome during the two and a half years that he played as a Beatle that he practically rendered the other three Beatles invisible to the female fans in Hamburg and Liverpool's Cavern, which would have continued to be the case had he remained in the band. The other three Beatles were so happy to hire a homely guy (Ringo) to replace Best: not only did he not suck up all the female attention in the audience, Ringo even made the other three seem handsome by comparison. George Raft Has Risen From the Grave (talk) 21:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Best's dimissal

message: I suggest adding a picture of him or at least his face in the table. Paul Italiano 20:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a really great one of him sitting behind his kit in Hamburg 'til the image police zapped it! Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave (talk) 20:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I will upload that one again and put it lower down in the article, but only if you remind me to do it. :) --andreasegde (talk) 15:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Read the article. You really should.--212.241.64.236 (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Best was fired from the Beatles simply because he was so incandescently handsome that it made the other Beatles look even more ordinary by comparison. On the whole, Best made the others seem comparatively invisible, as though Paul Newman, Robert Redford or Brad Pitt were on the drums, inexorably and inevitably drawing women's attention away. You could see what I mean if there were a single photograph of Best from that era or with the other Beatles anywhere in Wikipedia but there isn't (by the way, why is that??), even in the article on the band itself.  Starr obviously wasn't chosen for his drumming prowess (he couldn't even do a drum roll!), the recording company the Beatles started out with moved heaven and earth to have Starr switched out for a more competent drummer, using studio drummers on their earliest recordings in desperation, but the other three Beatles were adamant. For public consumption, Lennon came up with the most damning explanation imaginable regarding why Best was fired, that they were bored with Best, the most insulting thing any man could say about another one if you think about it. Toward the end of the Beatles' recording together, McCartney was using his own drumming tracks due to Starr's inability to keep up.  Best's drumming on early onsite recordings at places like the Cavern are readily available, or at least they used to be, and I encourage everyone to listen to them back to back with a bootleg record made there with Starr substituting with the Beatles for one night, quite a while before he joined the band, because Best happened to be ill that evening.  Starr says, "It's great to be a Beatle" at one point that night, which was recorded quite a while before Best was fired.  If you compare their drumming, you'll see.  Neither of them would make Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa lose any sleep but it's starkly obvious (so to speak) that Ringo certainly wasn't chosen for his dexterity with drumsticks.  George Raft Has Risen From the Grave (talk) 22:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

text: I worked on it a lot, and I'm not Pete Best. I just told the truth from books I have, and added references. It seems Best was just too quiet and shy to be a troublemaker.--andreasegde (talk) 11:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture 

message: Should The Rocker (film) be mentioned in this article?  The film is basically a story about a drummer that goes through the same thing that happened to Best.  Pete Best will have a cameo in it as himself.PokeHomsar (talk) 09:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If it has a valid reference, yes.--212.241.64.236 (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Rocker?