Talk:Argentine Americans

message: I created an account just to comment on this - I don't have the energy right now to go and clean it up - it's after midnight here. But the History and Demographics sections are horribly written, obviously by someone who doesn't have a command of the English language. Furthermore, as an Argentine-American and daughter of Argentine immigrants, I can say that the emphasis on the 'Whiteness' of Argentinians is overstated. Yes, there was heavy European immigration (mainly Italian). But there is a significant mestizo population, and our Amerindian roots are visible in my face and in those of my family members. Personally, I'd like to strike the sections entirely from this article but hope perhaps someone will rework it. Or I will.
Lavane (talk) 23:16, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: extremely poor writing

message: Why is Ginobilli appearing in the article of ?, and on his page profile there is nothing about his american citizenship. I deleted Ginobilli's information from this article (~~Frank~~).
I also deleted basketball players oberto, nocioni and herrmann, since neither of them are americans, but simply argentines playing in nba teams.-
 
Argentina only was a proper spanish's colonial since the 1776 till the polititical independe in 1810, and even then it was a melting pot of Italian, Spanish and French according to the historians.  In fact just look at the names in the first govermment to see the italians Castelli, Berutti, etc.  The immigration didn't star in 1880.  The first wave was made of Swiss, Irish and Nother Italians in around 1850!!!. 
Mostly to Buenos Aires??? what?? The 1914 census count the a similar percentage of immigrants not just in Buenos Aires but in Cordoba and Rosario (the three more populated cities in the country) and these cities have the 70% of the national population.  Besides there are lot of cities even funded by italians in the South and populated by Nothern italians besides of swiss and germans like the largest city in Southern Argentina, Bariloche. 
you can see similar influence of spanish as italians in names in all the three most populated cities in the country. 
All the articles estimated the numbers of italians in Argentina in 18 million (check out the italian people article), which is half of the population.  And the official site of the Italian embassy said that OVER half of the Argentine population have right to the Italian citizenship "ius sanguinis".  In fact I would said that we have more italian culture than spanish (but that would be just my personal experience and I've just lived in Rosario, Buenos Aires and Bariloche, tho that mean much in the percentage of country's population) but let's speak about numbers and facts.  
about the native population, if it growht, we'll know in the next census, the entire population obviously has increased (obviously) but probably their percentage is the same, and again the foreign population is foreign, they are not Argentinian and if they go to anoother country they would be Bolivian, Paraguayan or Peruvian.  
As for the native populatin even if it has increased in the next census, all the population will have increased hence tehy would be still around 0,8% of the population that's like less than the US native population(2,5%), and less that the Jewish population (around 2-3%).  It would as much as the Asian Argentine population.
""there were only spaniards for the first 200 years during the colonial period.."""
Actually Spanish were the least numerous european group in 1810!! (when anyway, Argentinian population was scarse).
En 1810 comienza la independencia de España. Los extranjeros ya forman parte importante en la Argentina. A principios del Gobierno de Rosas en Buenos Aires había 70.000 personas: 8.000 ingleses, 6.000 italianos y 4.000 españoles y portugueses. Es decir, la tercera parte no había nacido en Argentina. 
In 1810, there were in Buenos Aires around 70.000 persons, a third of them foreign-born, 8000 British, 6000 Italians and 4000 Spanish. 
www.nuevoorden.net
Most common Argentine surnames.
Rank Surname 
1. Fernandez 
2. Rodriguez 
3. Gonzalez 
4. Garcia 
5. Lopez 
6. Martinez 
7. Perez 
8. Alvarez 
9. Gomez 
10. Sanchez 
11. Diaz 
12. Vazquez 
13. Castro 
14. Romero 
15. Suarez 
16. Blanco 
17. Ruiz 
18. Alonso 
19. Torres 
20. Dominguez 
Not one, Italian surname....expain?..I know this will include the native americans too..but if there are so many italians...and i know they did immigrate there...then why are there surnames scarse...atleast within the first 20..and the list goes on..to 100...which 
Italian last names have a wider diversity than Spanish last names. That's why maybe there are  more people with the same Spanish last name than the same Italian one.
Plus, in this article it refers to Nocioni and Oberto as Argentine Americans, when they only play basketball in the US and do not have the american citizenship. 24.232.128.220 05:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: American citizenship??

message: Please consider contributing to the article entitled History of Latinos and Hispanics. Thank you! --JuanMuslim  1m 02:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History of Latinos and Hispanics

message: Shouldn't he be listed as an argetine american?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.116.230.221 (talk) 18:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lalo Schifrin

message: It is interesting that some feel it is their duty to keep the "Whiteness" of Argentines intact throughout every Argentine related article... Leaving out the fact that many are part Amerindian... Yes, a study at the University of Buenos Aires has confirmed that 56% of every single Argentine has Amerindian admixture in their DNA. It is interesting that the European aspects of Argentina are dreadfully over exhausted, while it's Amerindian and Mestizo elements, People (Whether Castizo, Mestizo, or Indian), Culture, etc. are swept under the rug, and kept in a state of silence. However, in the real world, and in the REAL Argentina, they are very visible. Most notably the People of Argentina show it in their faces. This country of Latin America is not very different from all other regions in Latin America, although it tries very hard to distance itself... Facts are Facts, And the fact that some do not wish to let the truth be told says much about their character. Argentina's Mestizo Population is quite large, many "Whites" have Indian blood, and the real Argentina is far from a 'European country in Latin America'. Cali567 (talk) 09:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and include that the deletion of references without discussion such as what Fercho85 is doing because it doesn't fit his POV be labeled vandalism.CenterofGravity (talk) 05:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no way one can state that "56% of every single Argentine has Amerindian admixture in their DNA."  Did this study test "every single" Argentine? Impossible.  I don't completely object to including this study, but with a small sample size, it cannot be stated as fact that 56% of all Argentines have Amerindian DNA. It might be more, it might be less, but if included, it has to be stated properly. We need to be careful on how DNA evidence is presented, as it cannot paint a complete picture. Even if someone's great-great-great-great....grandmother was an Amerindian, they can still be predominantly white and identify as white. Remember that Y-DNA and MtDNA are passed down through paternal and maternal lines, but they cannot detect all ancestors, just one line out of thousands. I believe some nuclear DNA studies work differently, but the Y-DNA/MtDNA studies can be limiting. Kman543210 (talk) 05:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point is valid but to eliminate the fact (supported with verifiable sources such as the Argentine census) that there are Argentines who are either mestizo or indigenous who make up a proportion of the Argentine population while only including that Argentines are white would be the fabrication of a fallacy. CenterofGravity (talk) 23:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Argentina's Demographics: Fact and Fiction 

message: Isn't the list very simplistic and biased?
What's the criteria to add a name in this list?
A mediocre actress whose father is Argentine is in the list, but Argentines that changed the course of science while living in US (see below) are not mentioned... I don't understand.
Juan Martin Maldacena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Martin_Maldacena)
Leopoldo Máximo Falicov (http://www.nap.edu/readingroom.php?book=biomems&page=lfalicov.html)
Anyway... I don't see the point of this article. You are either Argentine OR American. The Gilmore girl was born and bred in United States: she is American. Her father was born and bred and educated in Argentina: he will always be an Argentine in exile. It's that simple. (And please don't come with "genetic" arguments because her father's family comes from Denmark, so she sholud be "Danish American"... there is nothing like an "Argentine genotype".)
196.35.252.210 (talk) 08:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You sir are stupid. "Argentine genotype" what does that mean, especially when Argentina is a country of immigrants, just like the United States. Her families ancestor must came from Denmark, but she cannot be Danish American b/c her Danish ancestors did not settle to the United States from Denmark. Plus you obviously haven't read this article well. Argentine Americans are citizens or residents of the United States whose origins are in the South American nation of Argentina. They can be immigrants or American-born children of Argentines. So by following your ignorant complaints, that means Italian Americans are not Italians just Americans. And to your complaint on why the scientist are not listed, why don't you add them yourself. Lehoiberri (talk) 18:42, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Notable" Argentine Americans

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