Talk:Jahiliyyah

message: It would be useful to have phonetic spellings for non-english words like Jahiliyyah, or even wav file links.  Since some languages have phonemes missing from English, I think a wave file is necessary.
Joshua Scholar
This page seems extremely oriented towards modern conceptions following those of Qutb. NPOV is needed. em zilch 06:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: untitled comments

message: I am surprised by the content of this article. Jahiliyya is not an Islamic concept relating to "ignorance of following Islam", it simply specifically refers to the pre-Islam era of Arabs, regarded by some historians to reach back 150 years before the start of the religion. The era was named so not only because of it preceding Islam, but also because of other traits of that particular era such as tribal pride and loyalty which to many over-ruled some ethics and morals. To say that "By extension, it has come to refer to the state of anyone not following Islam and the Qur'an" is completely incorrect. I say this because despite my reading and living in the Middle East I have never once heard this sort of definition.
Also, shi'r jahili does not mean "ignorant poetry", it literally means "Poetry from AlJahiliyya".
An article under this name should discuss the society and other aspects of pre-Islam Arabs. I call for a complete overhaul, and I hope some of the editors agree with me on this. AbbzAD (talk) 00:08, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is off

message: I think the correct form to express this point would be to use the adjetive ie. "Problematic Term".erasmocbc 17:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem Term?

message: Added footnotes and shortened a rather silly section on "false consciousness." --BoogaLouie 18:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: attempted cleanup

message: This edit caught my eye.
It contradicts the previous content and does not align with the linked page.
5.28.71.37 (talk) 20:29, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism?

message: An IP user has been trying to add this text. The citation is titled "Islamic Books by Ibn Taymiyyah Maqdisi and Abdullah Azzam". This actually corresponds to three different authors: Ibn Taymiyyah (medieval scholar), Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi and Abdullah Azzam (two al-Qaeda ideologues). It's unclear which author is being cited here, but all these are primary texts. The policy WP:PRIMARY forbids interpretative or synthetic statements based on primary sources, and this generalization about Islamic belief fits into that category. IP user, if you'd like to argue for inclusion of this material, for starters please identify the author so we can assess if their view would be due in the lead or indeed in the article. If we can agree on that, we'll next look at the specific text to make sure its summary complies with WP:PRIMARY. Better yet, I recommend looking for a non-primary source, such as an academic text about Islam. Also pinging the involved editor , in case they're interested in the discussion. Eperoton (talk) 03:44, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for finding non-primary sources, but the passages you've paraphrased still come from the primary sources quoted there. To make a generalization in WP voice, it needs to be made by the author of the non-primary source. When you take a quote from Qutb and present it as the view of "Islam", that's a violation of WP:OR. I've attributed these quotes and moved them to the appropriate place in the article. The lead is a short summary of the article and should not give undue weight to Qutb's views. Eperoton (talk) 21:17, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition with primary source citation 

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message: Hey everyone; added a couple of sentences under the etymology section detailing this debate. There is a lot of recent literature on this subject now in journals and am wondering if it would be worth expanding? Remthebathboi2 (talk) 22:53, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potentially add a new section on the debate regarding Jahiliyyah as having temporal connotations originally or simply being a state of being?