Talk:High School of Art and Design

message: Why are Havoc and Prodigy not on the notable alumini list--does 'gay activist' get an entry, and being two of the most influential figures in hip-hop not?  Check out the page on Mobb Deep
yeah so weird lol^_^  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.203.43 (talk) 12:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The exact date of Nov 8 is provided on page 16 of the yearbook linked to above, and now cited in the article. DES (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Exact date

message: Thank you for rewriting the page and removing the ugly requests for citations by the previous editor (one on the page would have been enough to get the message across; they were distracting eyesores). I corrected the date the school moved to 1075 Second Avenue. Mira Tweti got it wrong, but it's correct in the John B. Kenny obit. (See how mistakes are made and published?).
Our old school buildings (on E. 51st and E. 79th Streets) closed in June of 1960. The "new" building had been undergoing construction for a few years and was ready for the transfer of students in Sept. 1960. (Where would the students have gone for a year, if it had been 1961?)
However, the building at 257 West 40th Street was not a dilapidated warehouse; it was the site of an adult WPA school. I guess Mira, the writer, took some artistic liberty. I may do a few tweaks at some point. And also address the other issues, but the page looks really nice, once again. Thank you! Yvonnefitz (talk) 03:23, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, . I have corrected the address, which I suspect was left in from the page where another editor copied in the infobox skeleton. I have also corrected the "dilapidated warehouse" statement, based on the yearbook story. I included a citation link to that story, which will allow anyone who follows it to navigate to the cover. I haven't had time to incorporate the Sun article nor all the info from the yearbook page yet. DES (talk) 17:05, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional comments 

message: How did 1500 James Ave North get placed under the photo?
I noticed the edit codes say:
| location = 
| address          = 1500 James Ave North
| city             = Minneapolis
| state            = Minnesota
| country          = USA
Yvonnefitz (talk) 05:53, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have corrected this, . I suspect that it was in the article from which the infobox skeleton was copied by another editor. DES (talk) 17:06, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minneapolis address under school photo 

message: The section titles 'Notable alumni' and 'Notable faculty' are standard in Wikipedia articles. (They are not considerd POV or biased.) They indicate that such lists are limited to individuals who are "Notable". For list purposes this normally means that an individual will have a separate biographical article on Wikipedia, or else would qualify to have one as per WP:GNG, WP:BIO, or one of the specialized notability guidelines. In the latter case a refernce cition should be provided. In the former case a link to the article is sufficient of the article mentions the list criterion, in this case ttandance at the school or membership on the faculty. If it doesn't a citation should be provided. Even when a link to an article is sufficient and no citaiton is required, one may be provided in case the mention is later deleted from the article. DES (talk) 04:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section titles 

message: The External links section includes a link to http://www.artalumni.com/ listed as "High School of Art and Design Alumni Association". However tht link does not curently appear to go to such a site, insted it goes to "American Community Partners" wich seems to be a site for medical professionals in California. I have commented the link out. Can anyomne find the correct link for this? It looks from a Google search as if http://www.artdesignalumni.com/ might be corredct, can anyone confirm? DES (talk) 05:04, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. DES (talk) 04:31, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invalid link 

message: An example of a good high school article is North Community High School and edits to High School of Art and Design should be to move the High School of Art and Design article towards something like North Community High School. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Good high school article

message: The yearbook articles now cited seem to imply that "four art teachers began" in the History section is not quite correct. I now think that there was a committee of 4 who proposed the idea of the school, but there were 8 teachers when the school opened, with soem but not all of the committee members being among those 8. The Yearbook names at least 3 of the committee members, although not all with full names. Can we confirm this, and should those names be included here? DES (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for including the names. I don't think there's anything unusual about having four teachers found the school and then hiring four others. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:31, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If I am reading the yearbook articles correctly, 2 of the initial committee of 4 were among the initial faculty of 8, and a 3rd later became Principal (the 2nd principal I think). The fourth member of the initial committee does not seem ever to have become a faculty member. DES (talk) 03:04, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

text: BTW, I meant to compliment you on the great research you did in finding that yearbook — it's a wealth of information. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You are complimenting the wrong person, the yearbook link was provided by , above on this talk page. I merely read the entry and incorporated facts from it into the Wikipedia article. She also provided additional links which I have viewed but not attempted to incorporate as yet. DES (talk) 03:04, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

text: On photos, as you may be aware, copyright for photographs can be tricky, By default, the photographer holds copyright, unless it is made as a "work made for hire" as a consultant or as part of a job, in which case the employer holds the copyright. Wikipedia requires explicit release under a free license (one that permits unlimited reuse and modification by anyone for any purpose) except for rather limited cases in which Fair use photos are accepted. Photos of old buildings which no longer exist, at least not in the pictured state, and which have little or no commercial value might qualify, but there are several hoops to jump through. If the original photographers agree (in writing) to release their photos, it would be easier. But there is much we can do with the info already provided. Photos of the buildings as they are now can of course be taken and released by anyone who chooses to. DES (talk) 04:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial faculty 

message: One of our alumni just pointed out that a rapper named Fabolous was added to our list of notables (grad year 1996). That's news to us! I just checked the Internet and found an article that says he attended or graduated from Boys and Girls High School not Art & Design: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2010/10/qa_tanya_morgan.php I am removing him from the list. I'd like to get back to the issue of Notable alumni one of these days but am still overwhelmed with fundraising event volunteer work, especially today (Sunday, a day I should be tending to personal needs) Yvonnefitz (talk) 19:16, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: (and other editors), I think for this article alumni are notable enough if they have articles on Wikipedia. If those articles mention that the person graduated from High School of Art and Design, that should be enough if the matter is not challenged, but it would not hurt to cite in this article a source that says that the person graduated from High School of Art and Design. If sources are cited in the article about the person to establish notability there, I don't see that such sources need be re-cited in this article. If someone is alleged to be notable but does not (yet) have an article, either one can be created, or we can cite here sources that confirm that person's notability. DES (talk) 19:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: All good and fair points. The current thinking, as I've read on the talk page of List of African-American firsts, is that we're now starting to footnote even blue-linked names, though this isn't a hard-and-fast rule. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:06, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

text: I can see where that is a problem, but as per our policy on article ownership no article may have a single person (or limited group of people) as gatekeeper or vetter or sole authorized poster. Wikipedia is "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" and that applies to this article. Facebook discussions are not relevant to the matter, and, as a core policy, it cannot be modified by local discussion on this page either. DES (talk) 12:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Concur with Yvonnefitz in general, although I think she needs to be careful saying things that can be taken two ways, such as: "Names need to be vetted before they can be added to the list" (vetted by Wikipedia editors, I presume she means, not her alumni group); and "More on who is considered 'notable' in future commentary" (as we all comment freely here on this talk page). Here and in many school articles, people add themselves or someone non-notable they're a fan of or other such inappropriate "notable alumni." It's good to keep a watch over these things. (I would say that "And not added by people we don't know" does sound OWNy — appropriate content can be added by anyone on Wikipedia.) --Tenebrae (talk) 18:34, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable alumni 

message: New Comments from Yvonne: Sorry I've been away for quite a while (I mean regarding working on the page). I've been involved in other alumni matters, such as several fundraisers. And we're all volunteers, so time has also got to be spent on earning an income. (I know you guys are volunteers, too.) I've just got so much on my plate and communicating on Facebook is overwhelming... I do, however, check the page every now and then. I see that some alumni who were removed in the past got added back -- yay! I'd love to add some more (new people, or newly discovered as alumni), as well as add in some of those missing citations. But I've forgotten the code/formula to add them. Or possibly it's changed. Can someone let me know what it is? For example, here's a link to a cloud site that mentions Prince Po went to Art & Design. How would I turn that into the correct citation? https://soundcloud.com/southernvangard/southern-vangard-radio-interview-session-prince-po Yvonnefitz (talk) 05:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:CITE and WP:FOOTNOTES. You can use the formatting template or just add the cite as you wish by hand. Just make sure there's something between "<:ref>" and "<:/ref>" (without the colons, of course, which are just the to make the code show up). --Tenebrae (talk) 20:39, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: I just visited the school's Wikipedia page earlier today (to see how far back my original posts went) and noticed there was some recent editing regarding the school's new principal. No idea who changed the name, from Frances DeSanctis to Manuel Ureña, but the person was correct. Ms. DeSanctis left her position, to my surprise (and probably others) and was replaced by Mr. Ureña. (Please include the ~ accent over the lowercase n.)
This administrative change may have occurred in February, but I am not sure (I can ask the school's AP of Art). However, the proof of the change can be found on both the Dept of Ed's portal site for our school and our school's own website. He is considered "Interim Acting" (IA) Principal at this point. Here are the links:
Welcome - Art and Design High School - M630 - New York City Department of Education
http://schools.nyc.gov/SchoolPortals/02/M630/default.htm
Principal Announcements — HIGH SCHOOL OF ART & DESIGN
http://www.artanddesignhs.com/principal-announcements/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yvonnefitz (talk • contribs) 18:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's up to each editor to cite (footnote) whatever information they put into Wikipedia. Since you seem to have the links here, just add them there. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Art & Design's New Principal

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Here's one for '52 alumnus, Sam Scali:
http://adcglobal.org/hall-of-fame/sam-scali/
(I've been off this page for a long time and forgot the wiki codes.)
Perhaps someone can add it next to his name and I can see what the codes are, to use for other missing citations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yvonnefitz (talk • contribs) 19:45, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Citations (reply from Yvonne)

message: I've just added two citations in this evening (EST)-- one for '51 alumnus Leo Dillon and one for '52 alumnus Sam Scali. Going down the line, where there it said citations were needed, I came across '56 alumnus John Johnson. Seems none of his biographic info on any sites about his career mention his high school. (Of course, I could dig up his photo from his yearbook.) I did recall reading the memoir he wrote some years ago, and was certain the school was mentioned there. I went to Amazon.com and was able to do a search for "Industrial Art". The school's name came up on 3 pages. How does this get a citation??? The book's name is  "ONLY SON: A Memoir" by
John Johnson, Author, Jeff Coplon, With with Jeff Coplon. The pages the school's name appears are 104, 105 and 110.
By the way, it seems no one answered my question about my recent attempts at citations not working 100% properly. So, I decided to copy the code format from an existing one, seemed to work for Leo Dillon and Sam Scali.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yvonnefitz (talk • contribs) 02:24, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation Question re. Books

message: the picture of the high school is wrong and shows the old high school building across the street that was used before they mooved. next Monday (28th feb 2022) when school starts back up ill try and remember to take a picture of the correct building and edit the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osty2018 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  building picture