Talk:Zaku

message: Hi, most of the "Specifications" section seems to be a direct copyvio from [www.mahq.net/MECHA/GUNDAM/]. Is there justification for the use of the text? If not it’ll have to go. —porges(talk) 21:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With very few exceptions, the specifications provided by MAHQ are from official sources, typicaly inserts included with model kits, technical journals, setting notes and the like. MAHQ is, unfortunately, one of the few places where this information is presented in english... Even Bandai's official sites are somewhat lacking here. Perhaps someone should e-mail him and ask him about the specifics before we go deleting half the page. --KefkaTheClown 21:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio? 

message: I notice that 71.126.163.6 input massive information in this page, as well as other MS article. However, most of them were never heard before. While it's interesting, some are very fishy. I'm considering about remove them (Wikipedian Gundam-fan has quite bad name, due to fault info). But it will be better if you cite your source so we can check it. L-Zwei 06:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sad that he can't or don't want to share us about his source of info. Well, he might never look at talk page at all. So I would remove all of his fishy stuff.L-Zwei 13:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorce of info? 

message: I think the problem we have is that the descriptions on mahq were meant for role playing game reference so some of the data was pulled from the models while some number on the site are calculated from watching the series. www.gundamofficial.com has some of the offical zaku data up i would verify there since it is data from the bandai kits it is hard to not copy verbatum the info since ever where uses the same info.Jeffpiatt 02:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MS data 

message: This page is in dire need of some rewriting, and perhaps even a de-emphasis on the non-notable Zaku variants.  Do we really need to have entire paragraphs about Dozle's or Garma's Zakus?  Can't we simply lump them into a description of the basic Zaku, since the differences between them are mostly cosmetic?  In addition, these pictures added throughout the article are a formatting nightmare...  not to mention that there's no way in hell they count as fair use.
There needs to be a sizable section on the Zaku's real-life significance.  Articles like this one are often AfD'd because they are all in-universe info and no real life info.  It's only a matter of time before this article is nominated, and as it is right now, it may end up getting the axe despite its notability--there's no proof that it's notable. Maikeru 15:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, see, I can understand having a few pictures, that's totally fine and it helps give someone an idea of what the design looks like -- i.e. it's perfectly reasonable to include Okawara's original lineart as well as a couple of pictures of the really notable variants, as well as any pre-production material that exists (similar to the Gunboy lineart on the Gundam article.  But a.) most of the variants aren't particularly notable to non-fans to begin with (and maybe even to actual fans), b.) said pictures can easily be found on other sources of information meant for fans (i.e. MAHQ), and c.) putting in pictures for every variant possible really borders on copyright violation.  Maikeru 18:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: How many images do we really need to be able to show how the design changed?  Do we need the Marine type, Dozle's Zaku, two images of the F2, four images of the Zaku Cannon, etc.?  Does Action Zaku (a machine that has its own model number - it's not a Zaku II!) belong here?  The key designs in the Zaku's evolution are the original Zaku, the Hi-Zack (the first Zaku redesign to be animated, which contributed a lot to the look of the Zakus that followed), the Zaku Kai and F2 (two early, prominent - and arguably, retroactive - redesigns of the Zaku), and the MG Zaku/08th MS Team Zaku design (which became the standard look for the original Zaku for roughly the next ten years.)  And that's if you want to go in-depth.  I don't think most of the information in this article is really relevant.  I'd take out the Zabi customs and replace them with a sentence describing how various pilots, including various members of the Zabi family, had customized Zakus.  There's no good reason for providing more information than that here.  Zaku kai 20:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: In Need of Improvements

message: Early on the article cites the "Olive Drab color scheme" as one of the common threads of Zaku (and zako) lineage in Gundam.  But the original Zaku wasn't olive drab!  It was a pale, almost bluish green.  Olive tones for the Zaku came with the "Real Type" and MSV model kits later - and then were adopted by the Hi-Zack, Geara Doga, and the Zaku re-designs (Zaku Kai and F2)  But suggesting this trait goes straight to the beginning is a bit misleading - and plainly contradicted by the vanilla Zaku reference images.  Also, I think saying the Leo displays the Zaku aesthetic is a bit of a stretch.  There's just about zero likeness there.  Zaku kai 14:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and speaking of the lineage of the Zaku - I think the article should approach the subject of the Zaku's lineage from a real-world perspective.  That is, it starts with Zaku (MS-06) and Old-Type Zaku (MS-05) in the original Gundam.  Touch on the Hi-Zack in Zeta (which is a different machine, but which represents one of the first Zaku "redesigns" from a real-world perspective), discuss how the OVAs (0080 and 0083) did more or less retroactive redesigns (the Zakus in these shows are simply called "Zakus" - there's no attention given to the fact that they're different from the original Zaku and, apart from the opening of 0083, no visual indication that they are distinct from the original Zaku.  The designs are notable in that they're not only redesigns like the Hi-Zack, but they actually are supposed to be considered more-or-less equivalent to the original, in terms of how they're treated in the story.), and then wind up the section with a discussion of the MG Zaku design and a little bit of what came beyond.  (The MG design more-or-less authoritatively redefined the Zaku design for a while, with the new design appearing in 08th MST and games and so on.  The Zaku design didn't start to move back toward the original style until around 2002, with the HGUC Zaku)  'Course, how do you write all that in Wikipedia without it being counted as original research?  That seems like a tricky business - but it's real-world information at least, instead of all this backstory BS.  I feel like this change, as I want to make it, cuts a bit deep into the article as it currently stands.  The information that's there now about the -A, -C, -F, -FZ, and -F2 would be pre-empted by this and reduced a bit.  I think the issue should be open to discussion for a bit before I go ahead with it.  Zaku kai 18:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Zaku lineage

message: I have a question the tags that removed a ton of images were reset should we replace some of the images or just remove the tags.?Gundam x105 21:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: cleanup

message: I've found a colored picture of the Zaku Tank Green Makaku. I believe this pic would be better to put up on the article than the non-colored one. Here's the picture - http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/zeonbase/suit90.html
i replaced the old mahq image with this one it was used on mahq at one time. the images need to be there to help explain the changes in look over the years.  if anything the improved ground type image cAN GO IT'S NEVER BEEN ANIMATED.Gundam x105 00:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how showing all these variants helps explain the change in its appearance, since these are 99% Kunio Okawara's artwork from 1983 to 1985.  That's not exactly a change in appearance.  If that's really what you're going for, I would think that you could get rid of a number of the other variant pictures lying around and find a free image of, for example, the Katoki Hajime version of the Zaku (i.e. the Zaku from 0083).  If anything, it seems to be an attempt to turn this article in a big list of crap that people don't really need to know about, with illustrations that they similarly don't really need to get the gist of what a Zaku is; the only people who would really care about all these variations are the people who would know where 99% of the images in this article come from (MAHQ and Mark Simmons' old fanart from the Gundam Project). Maikeru 05:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say the only images we need are the ones designed for the anime, the MSG Zaku by Okawara is a lot different from the one he did in 08th MS team, while the 0080 Zaku FZ is desgined by Izubuchi and 0083 and most of the model designs are from Katoki and can actually show more different from the origin.  The Zaku stutzer might stay, too since it is radically different design.  For the others, I really don't think they are notable enough to get their own image, it is just not worth it.  Also, we might as well just merge the MS-05 Zaku, RMS-106 Hi-Zack and Zaku III over here are rename this article Zaku instead. MythSearchertalk 05:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Zaku.  It is not an acronym for sure.  Both Gundamofficial.com and Gundam Officials do not have this theory and the GUNDAM acronym is place right in front in the Yomino introduction in Gundam Officials.  I have no idea where did you get the "fact" that most MS names in UC are arconyms, since they are not.  All I can think of is GUNDAM and ALEX, and all of them are on the EFF side. MythSearchertalk 06:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Green Makaku

message: Ok, who tagged that part as in-universe? That is like the least in-universe part in the whole article and nothing in the plot is mentioned at all.  The begining gave the name's oirgin and then the section followed the real-life modeling development,  appearance and redesigns in different series and ended with newer models in later series(and I have sourced that as well with the edit of taking away the tag).  Can anyone explain to me why is it in-universe in what sense? MythSearchertalk 02:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, I did not actually read the articles until I edit them ;P (well, at least I know they are pretty bad to begin with) MythSearchertalk 07:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concept and Development 

message: I don't have the kind of insider information (nor quite the level of Japanese skill required) that would allow me to prove or disprove that bit of information...  I'd never heard of such a thing...  May I ask, where did that bit of information come from?  Is it really true?  If so, that's pretty interesting to me...
Zaku kai 23:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zaku Kai "Originally conceived as a recon type"? 

message: There are a lot of magazines called "Dengeki"...  I think the citations are supposed to refer to Dengeki Hobby Magazine...  am I right??
Zaku kai 23:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I guess I typed in Dengeki Hobby in some other article's heading, then used Dengeki as a short form and forgot that I have not used the full form here. MythSearchertalk 03:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dengeki Magazine" citations... 

message: I've never heard of it, and the section is very badly written...  What the hell is a "katajina sign"?  Does it turn up as a blind beggar in the last episode of Victory?
Actually, I can think of one case in which I've heard of a Zaku parody called "Saku" - that was in the Gundam-themed condoms.  I propose deleting the section unless it can be cleaned up and substantiated...
Zaku kai (talk) 16:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Saku appears in a joke comic in Gundam ACE, and it is a hidden unit in Gundam Battle Royale and Gundam Battle Chronicles.  Both games got both the green and the red version.(yet they don't have the further versions like the blue gouf parody and such.)  I guess it is the Katakana sign though. see head katakana Zi also, see Gundam Battle video as a source (yes, the annoying bobobobo is really the sound effect of the unit walking.) better video showing the EF's Samu as well. MythSearchertalk 17:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's cute, but does this thing really merit inclusion in the article?  Zaku kai (talk) 18:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is at least more notable than 60% of the variants mentioned here.  Itself creates the notability of Zaku(in which the Saku shows that Zaku is indeed having its cultural significance that people starts to create parody of it and official adorts it in official publication)  In fact, サク サム(saku samu) got a google result of 119000(It is not possible to search on their own since saku is a part of sakura which will return a lot of useless result). It is not just being cute(In fact, I find it quite annoying) it is quite notable. MythSearchertalk 19:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Saku" parody? 

message: This whole page needs re done Hunter Darkwolf (talk) 23:22, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page is completely off 

message: The pic won't stay Hunter Darkwolf (talk) 22:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pic isn't staying 

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