Talk:Sam Sheppard

message: : Many, such as Robert Hughes of the Heriott, TN Times Daily, have compared the O.J. Simpson trial to it, in terms of the often lurid press coverage it generated.
The only evidence I've found of the Heriott Times Daily, or of any Her(r)iot(t) in Tennessee, is in exact repetitions of this sentence. —Tamfang (talk) 05:01, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
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message: The phrase "carnival atmosphere" is repeated three times in the article. —Tamfang (talk) 22:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the frequency of use is appropriate. It's mentioned once in the lead, which should summarize the article, as significant in his acquittal. Then it's mentioned in the "Media" section immediately after describing the coverage of the case, so it's topical. Lastly, it's mentioned as part of the court's decision  in the "Appeals" section. I think all three usages are appropriate in their contexts. The "Media" part might be considered repetitive, but it's meant to tie the media coverage to later opinion on its effect on the case. Opencooper (talk) 11:25, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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message: I've now spent some time going through Tailspin: The Strange Case of Major Call (cf. The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde) and it's an interesting book about an, um, unusual person. But there are serious problems with using it for more than the single sentence now in the article:
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The book's own preface describes it as "a dramatized narrative supported by fact". Three-quarters of it is this dramatized narrative, and the last quarter is appendices presenting the supporting evidence -- actually a long series of exhibits (crime scene/autopsy photos, diagrams, pictures of weapons and suspects, police reports, etc.). Unfortunately, both parts are almost impossible to absorb, because there's no overview, no chapter titles, no index, and (most importantly) while there's a 25-page "Addendum" explaining how the exhibits fit into the theory that Call killed Marilyn Sheppard, there's no critical discussion -- alternative explanations, what other secondary sources say about the same evidence, weaknesses, etc. There are no footnotes, bibliography, references to other works on the case, or similar apparatus. It's pure advocacy.
I should add that I personally find Tailspin's theory mildly convincing i.e. I certainly think Call should be considered a suspect in the Sheppard murder. But that's just me. From Wikipedia's point of view, it's just one more theory of the crime which (perhaps though the weakness of its own presentation) hasn't received much attention, and that lack of attention needs to be reflected in the article's treatment.
I expect this will be disappointing to , but as explained elsewhere we have to present theories in proportion to the prominence they're given in other authoritative sources. I truly hope this will not discourage him from helping improve the article in other ways -- it needs it, and someone steeped in the details of the case, and the many sources, would be a great help. EEng 21:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The photograph of the blood stain on the pillow case next to the photos of Call's Luger pistol in Tailspin (pages 443-451) is what finally convinced me that Call must have done the murder. F. Lee Bailey demonstrated at the retrial that there were no surgical instruments that matched the blood stain patterns on the pillow case. I grew up with the Sam Sheppard story. I lived in Bay Village, where the murder took place and my mother was a newspaper reporter covering Bay Village for The Cleveland Plain Dealer. She knew many of the persons involved with the case. During my own research, I was able to interview a number of people associated with the case. Ironically, when Sheppard was released after the retrial and married Ms. Tebbenjohannes from Germany, they moved into an apartment on Wooster Road in Rocky River which happened to be behind my grandmother's apartment building. I have at least nine books on the Sheppard case and an extensive(!) collection of newspaper articles about the case. In fact, I may have been one of the last people to see and read the transcript from the original trial before it was lost. When my dad and I visited the Cuyahoga County courthouse to read the transcript, the multiple volumes were kept in a large cardboard box in the janitor's closet. Really! I took particular note of the pages that had yellow tags glued on and then torn off. This was before PostIts. I'm just saying that I probably know more about the Sheppard case except for probably Sheppard's son. Max Rays (talk) 20:39, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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message: It is a coincidence, I am sure, but I had never heard of James A. Call at all until today, when I came across a news story about him in The San Bernardino Daily Sun from 16 November 1954. He had just been arrested in Reno, Nevada, after trying to pawn a watch from a burglary.
Right next to that story was an account of Sam Sheppard’s first trial. Reading that story led me to look up this article on the Wikipedia. Reading down into it, I came across the theory that James Call could have been a suspect in Marilyn Sheppard’s murder. I thought, “Wait - where have I heard that name before?” And I checked back to the online Sun newspaper source. 
The two unrelated stories are SIDE BY SIDE.  Is that creepy or what?
Mark Sublette 24 November 2019 Mark Sublette (talk) 08:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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message: I don't know that the word "thot" belongs in this article. I don't know who has the permission or ability to change it, but it would be awesome if someone did. ElvenWizardKing (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is not locked. That's how an IP vandalized "pregnant" into "thot". You could have changed it. I have. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. ElvenWizardKing (talk) 16:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
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message: Can't we get a picture of Sheppard? Richard75 (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need a photo of him