Talk:Time Cube/Archive 1

message: Ray also offers $10,000 to any academic institution or professor who disproves Time Cube, and $1,000 to anybody else who can disprove Time Cube. 
:I'm interested in what disproofs have been offered so far.  A long time ago I wrote and emailed a paragraph easily disproving the main one or two pages, but got no reply.  Since I don't feel like going onto the page again, I'll work within these articles.  (Dammit, I'm the one claiming to disprove all religious and scientific ideas, and to be above God...  I've even reinvented the calendar, as well as all other basic ideas and tools, using an essential number based on time and geometry, but not 4.  But these hundreds of plans I save for websites, should I ever get them up, and after I put up a user page on Wikipedia outlining my anomalous history.)
Gene Ray explains the 4/16 Rotation Principle, an important element of Time Cube, as follows: "If Earth stood still, it would have mid-day, mid-night, sun-up and sun-down as 4 corners. Each rotation of earth has 4 mid-days, 4 mid-nights, 4 sun-ups and 4 sun-downs. The sixteen (16) space times demonstrates cube proof of 4 full days simultaneously on earth within one (1) rotation. The academia created 1 day greenwich time is bastardly queer and dooms future youth and nature to a hell."
:His material is very easy to understand if you're not dumb, and easy to disprove if you're not mute.  The problem here is that he stops on 4, rather than other special numbers like 2, 6, 8, or 12.  He first points out the opposites of faces, divided here by a quality based on solar illumination.  That makes two.  But then he includes the two lesser halves, which are mixes of the two, and fails to consider that the proscribed mixing of races elsewhere in the explanation would be equivalent to them.  At sunup and sundown, the Earth is at an intermediate illumination; these places are also subordinate to the faces determined by illumination.  So his theory should realise that Indians and Asians shouldn't exist.
:A corollary mistake is using an arbitrary, ad hoc model of a cycle for the divisions of races which developed on the surface beginning on one face, the region shared by the borders of all four hemispheres, with the cradle of humankind on one end and the cradle of civilisation on the other.  The number of races then have more to do with a combination of the tiling of the [conformal] plane, along with its kissing number, and the primary set of races truncated at their intermixing.  So one arrives at three proper races, rather than six.  However, because the racial divisions correlate with solar illumination, the three show the blending of the two Earth faces established above: light (European), dark (African), and blend (Asian).  The "Indian race" he uses is not really a race; because we've already established three sheer, right races, the other groups can only be subraces or superraces, the latter being a superposition of all three qualities.  The Indians would then be grouped in a superrace, the IndoEuroIberians, including Scythians, Kurgans, Kurds, Semites, and Mediterraneans.  Diagrammatically, the three races form a triangle over the surface of the Earth, with the superrace at its centre.  Because the superrace is not counted as a race, and the surface is disconnected with the rotational cycle, there are only three races.
A typical Ray quotation is "Time is CUBIC, not linear as stupid educators teach."
He says "infinite days is stupidity", implying that it is correct to divide Earth into precisely four classes of location, and that a continuum of locations is incorrect. 
:Not having a mathematical background, Ray equivocates cubic for cubical.  He also equivocates [a] motion for time: Time is independent of the Earth's spinning, or of any other cycle; he describes only a concept of periods crossed with structures as the basis for his theory.  Because his four-corner model is completely arbitrary and ad hoc, suitable only for describing the differences between places on a round object only after freezing time, so that these places are established by pointing out where the sun is overhead for some such example, it doesn't at all matter to other places/"corners" on the Earth where the four corners are in other rotated examples.  The examples do not constitute days but shifted intervals in days, which don't touch the meaning of time itself.
A person's age is not on a linear continuum; instead, when a person advances to the next corner of their lifetime, their old corner dies. This forms a 4-stage continuum, like a circle divided into 4 quadrants.
* The four corners/stages of a person's lifetime are baby, child, parent, and grandparent
* The four corners of a person's head are the face, two ears, and back of the head
* The four corners of Earth are the following: the places where days start at midnight, the places where days start at sunrise, the places where days start at noon, and the places where days start at sunset.  Mr. Ray calls these corners Midnight, Sunup, Midday and Sundown, respectively.  (more on this below)
* The four corners of the day are midnight, 6 AM, noon, and 6 PM
* The four corners of the year are the two equinoxes and two solstices
:But the human life doesn't visibly loop into a circle; it's a line from start to end.  Because of this, the number of classes should be odd: line (1) -> start, to<->middle, end (3) -> 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th (5) -> etc.  Then the stages of a lifetime are youth, adult, and elder; or baby, youth, adult, elder, and crone.
:A head isn't regular like a planet is; it's an outgrowth biased (anisotropic) forward.  So the face isn't the same size as the back, which melds with the top.  (Yes, there is a top.)  Because the animal head started from a four-legged creature, the face would point slightly down.  This being the first facet in terms of prominence, the second facet would be the top of the head.  The back would not be a facet because there was no evolutionary pressure for that part to grow something there; therefore, the left and right back halves, including the ears, would be two more facets.  So those form four facets, but unlike Ray's model, they are arranged as a distorted tetrahedron with facet pairs perpendicular rather than coequatorial as conformal belt.
:And of cyclical divisions, in my reformulation of measures I don't use corners (Why should I?  A ring is not a square.) so my division isn't four, but something much better.
Gene Ray has stated in the January 2002 MIT Time Cube Debate that the concept that -1 times -1 equals +1 is stupid and evil, because it is like saying that "A South American times a South American equals a North American." He jokingly added that -1 * -1 should actually equal "A South American".
:Actually this is true!  A South American times a South American does equal a North American.  "South" to a southener is "north", as Australians consider Americans to be down under.
As for what one should call the object, try timecarton. :P
lysdexia 21:43, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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message: Gene Ray is probably the most talented and disciplined performance artist I've ever seen.  Even Wikipedia article writers don't even seem to get that this is one big practical joke. --I am not good at running 11:17, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is a joke, that would be news to me. I am quite convinced that Gene is for real; more importantly, even if he doesn't really believe in Time Cube, I know that I can support the Cubic principles using evidence and reasoning, and not mere citations of Dr Ray's scriptures that rely on the assumption of his authority. The article contains some of this supporting body of evidence/reasoning; you will notice, at least, that all anti-Cubic arguments contained therein are accompanied by a refutation. If you have good reasons to believe that Dr Ray is joking, please state them, or add them to the article.
On a more serious level, I also used to believe that the Time Cube phenomenon was an arch riff on internet conspiracy theorists, but have since come around to the belief that Gene Ray genuinely is a bit odd, albeit in a harmless way which is hard to dislike. Whereas most internet cranks are genuinely unpleasant people, or obviously profiteers, Ray seems closer to the inspired madness of Spike Milligan or Stanley Green, the 'protein man' , than the face-on-mars/moon hoax people. I wish him well. -Ashley Pomeroy 11:41, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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message: better idea. actually go for a serious workout on assorted sacred geometry themes. Then you would know that be it 4, 5, 0r 7, the obvious root formulae of all sacred numbers is the simple and standard >1<. And, if we are going to start doing articles on numbers, i nominate 36, 37, 111, 144, and 777. (lol) By the way, please spread the word. I don't know how a bunch of geeks missed this, but time Cube is just a modern reworking of "Metatrons Cube." An Esoteric Judaic schema. Prometheuspan 04:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  metatrons cube