Talk:Gallo-Romance languages

message: Gallo-italian and Rhaetian languages are not gallo-romance, according to their own articles. --81.38.191.138 12:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know there is for example a significant difference concerning the number : Franco-provençal and Occitan bording Italy have /s/ plural, that none of the Italian languages knows. I suppose, there are others. Nortmannus (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I proceed to add the Gallo-Italic/Italian which are missing. As to the comments above, they seem to be original research/POV, contrary to what e.g. Pellegrini stated, among others. Also, it does not seem to be the case that "Gallo-italian [...] [is] not gallo-romance, according to [its] own article[..]".   --Dakrismeno (talk) 11:01, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallo-italian and Rhaetian languages 

message: It is said:
: Some specialists add Catalan[2] and it is sometimes classified together with Occitan inside an Occitano-Romance subgroup too.[3]
Some specialists? Is there any serious specialist who does not classify Catalan as gallo-romance? Is there any serious linguist who separates such twin languages as Catalan and Occitan in two different branches?
--95.120.69.220 (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As there's been no answer, I've proceeded to do the changes. --95.120.83.146 (talk) 22:42, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree. Most linguists consider Gallo-Romance as the ancester of Langue d'oil and Franco-Provençal, no other language. Langue d'oc and Gallo-Italic do not belong to this group. The theories including them are old or fringe theories. But Catalan is together with Occitan, that is to say not Gallo-Romance. Nortmannus (talk) 21:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

text: The problem with these classifications is that they are arbitrary, cause languages are very diverse. Many of the traits considered to be Gallo-Romance are not present in Catalan and some are not present in Occitan either. Catalan, Occitan and Aragonese come closer to each other and share both traits from the Gallo-Romance and the Ibero-Romance groups. I wouldn't say it's wrong to classify these languages in any of the previously mentioned groups but, for what I have read, the Occitano-Romance group makes a lot of sense. Jinengi (talk) 17:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Have you seen the comments at Talk:Iberian Romance languages#Occitano-Romance originates from Iberia?? --Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalan 

message: I propose that the bulk of the Gallo-Romance section of Romance languages be merged into this article (Gallo-Romance languages).
As it currently stands, this article is little more than a list of languages within the family. I feel readers would be far better served by having all the information particular to the Gallo-Romance languages here as it would be easier to find and would make for easier reading. It also seems somewhat strange to have a section in a child article (this article) which simply points to a section of the parent article for information on a topic particular to the child.
If nothing else, at 234,037 bytes (≈229 kB), Romance languages is well over the recommended split threshold of 100 kB (WP:SIZESPLIT), and should probably have other parts split off as well (I wouldn't be surprised if the Linguistic features section was over the limit in its own right).
If circumstances were different I would consider being bold and just doing it, but I'm not quite sure how best to integrate  the information into this article or what should remain at the source (if anything). Also, the fact this hasn't been done already (it seems pretty obvious to me that this should be done) gave me pause. (Perhaps there's some reason to keep it as-is which is alluding me or some old consensus or something.)
Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (talk) 22:18, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been bold and gone ahead with the merger as it doesn't seem to have been controversial. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (talk) 22:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of ''Gallo-Romance'' section of ''[[Romance languages]]'' into ''[[Gallo-Romance languages]]'' article 

message: Many people say that Norman is a dialect of French, but others say that it is in the same group as French? Which one is it going to be?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.32.2.1 (talk) 17:23, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In linguistics, "dialects of French" typically refers to varieties such as Quebec French and Belgian French, which can be readily understood by (say) Parisians and which have diverged from (Standard) French only in the modern period. In contrast, Norman, Picard and Walloon are so sharply distinct from (Standard) French (and from each other, as well), having diverged already in the Middle Ages and being difficult to understand for Standard French speakers, that they are classified as distinct languages, and the group including French, Norman, Picard, Walloon and others is treated as a small family of several closely related languages, and this family is called Oïl languages. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 06:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the langues d'oil really just another for French.