Talk:Gunther von Hagens

message: I think the much controversy that his doings stirred up show the still extreme entanglement in religious views all over the world, even though we live in the 21st century and roughly everything has been unravled by science in a consistent fashion. No doubt there will always be more to unravel but the point is that society take way longer to adapt to technology and science.
People view themselves as miracles, godlike or actually extraordinary but at the core we are all very much the same. I admire people like Gunther because no matter what, his programs will serve students to educate themselves and layman to reconsider their views and gradually adapt to an everchanging technological world. The view that one`s body still belongs to the dead is a pure spiritual one. 
In the end it is the very same extraordinary specimens that find their way into textbooks and give evermore new insights into pathology.
Slicky 11:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: I couldn't verify
:In Germany, von Hagens refused to produce documents evidencing the consent of the deceased with such public exhibition. 
so I removed it for now. AxelBoldt 22:09, 6 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs ref 

message: I have definite written proof in my possession to show that von Hagens has NOT invented the plastination process.
It's an article by Oreste Nuzzi published on the scientic magazine Sapere by Urlico Hoepli Editions on the 29th of February 1952(when von Hagens would have been a mere 7 years old).
The article describes the process as using sodium silicates and potassium among other chemicals and specifically mentions the use of resins.
Please someone take notice as I think this would also invalidate his patents.
brutaldeluxe 02:28 08/01/09 (gmt)Brutaldeluxe (talk) 02:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embalming with resins 

message: An article in Salon.com  mentions that bullet holes were discovered in the heads of two Chinese corpses displayed by von Hagens leading to accusations that he has processed the bodies of executed Chinese prisoners.  Anybody want to add it?  --AStanhope 13:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it. However, neither the Spiegel nor BBC claimed that bullet holes had actually been found in Body World exhibits. Salon apparently misinterpreted the BBC article. AxelBoldt 23:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Executed Chinese prisoners? 

message: "Harassment" is a rather POV word (in that it implies the legal attentions are unwarranted, which isn't for us to say).  Did GvH use that term (in some saying we can cite)?  If so, I'd change that sentence to read:
: Citing what he described as "harassment" [cite] of the Bodyworld exhibit, in the Summer of 2004 von Hagens announced that the exhibition would permanently leave Germany. [cite]
If he didn't specifically cite the cause (in a nicely quotable way), perhaps the sentence should read something like:
: After several legal challenges to the Bodyworlds exhibit in Germany, in the Summer of 2004 von Hagens announced it would be leaving the country permanenty. [cite]
-- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Harassment

message: Any word on what he plans to do with his body when he passes on? --71.222.59.133 06:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He plans to section his body and plastinate the sections, using recently developed sectioning techniques, and donate it to several universities as anatomy specimens. In his own words: "That way I will be able to teach at several locations at the same time, something that I cannot do while alive". Dr.K. (talk) 04:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Prof. Von Hagens intend to be plastinated? 

message: Is this really a legal accusation. Is there a law that this would be against? Perhaps the title of the section needs to be changed (there is nowhere else for this information to go at present). Thehalfone 10:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Süddeutsche Zeitung 

message: Just to let you know that his surname is von Hagens, not Hagens or Von Hagens. It should only read Von Hagens if it's at the beginning of a sentence. I think correct form is simply to refer to him as "von Hagens" and not "Dr von Hagens" or "Prof von Hagens" (debate over his titles aside).
Secondly, why does it say that von Hagens kept his name even it was that of his first wife? I would have assumed that his first wife adopted his name, not vice versa? 122.106.209.26 (talk) 07:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surname and titles 

message: Can you explain this for me:
"Hamburg prosecutors investigated charges of disturbing the dead, based on his photographing plastinated corpses late at night all over Hamburg."
As far as I'm aware, there are not "plastinated corpses late at night all over Hamburg" which would be disturbed if photographed past their bedtime. I'm confused as to what that blip was intending to say to begin with. 
Informative article however I would recommend being aware of the potential negative slant in your language. Thank you Vdess (talk) 00:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hamburg what? 

message: Hello, I think the paragraphs in the Controversy section should be moved so that they are in chronological order, instead of the current 2004...2002...2005 arrangement. Thank you, LovesMacs (talk) 16:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy paragraph order 

message: Von Hagens' birthplace should probably be given as Skalmierzyce, Kalisz, Poland rather than Skalmierzyce, Kalisch, Poland. Kalisch is the german form of the name. Though von Hagens' was born just before the end of the war, I'm not sure if using the occupant name of the voivodship is appropriate (I'm Polish, and it kind of offended me). If the consensus is different though, then Skalmierzyce should be given in the german form of Skalmierschütz. 77.114.20.229 (talk) 17:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace: Kalisch vs Kalisz

message: I have not found substantiation of this statement 
"After several legal challenges to the Body Worlds exhibit in Germany, 
in the Summer of 2004 von Hagens announced it would be leaving the country." 
Rather - I found a statement from 2004 http://www.koerperwelten.newmedia-net.de/de/presse/pressemeldungen_statements/pressemeldungen_statements_2006.html?edit indicating that following the resolution of the legal challenges Gunther von Hagens was inspired to bring Body Worlds to Germany again:
Gunther von Hagens: “Ich bin erleichtert, dass ich nicht verurteilt worden bin. So kann ich mich jetzt wieder voll und ganz der Plastinationsforschung und dem Plastinarium in Guben widmen. Der Ausgang des Prozesses bestärkt mich in dem Entschluss, die Ausstellung KÖRPERWELTEN wieder in Deutschland zu zeigen.”
In English
“I am relieved that I was not convicted. Now I can dedicate myself again completely to Plastination and to the Plastinarium in Guben. The end of the legal process encourages me in the resolution to show the exhibition BODY WORLDS in Germany again."
Tigriscuniculus (talk) 08:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Body Worlds leaving Germany 

message: to employ 350 people in 4 countries and keep a constant supply of bodies? Shouldn't wikipedia investigate his financial dealings as reported in the press? Is he rich or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.71.209.123 (talk) 20:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The bodies are donations, he doesn't buy them 122.106.208.156 (talk) 08:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

text: On the new show Crucifixion, Channel 4, UK it mentioned he's a multi millionare through his method. But yes they're donations. The article may need updating to a lot of the things discussed on the show 81.100.31.182 (talk) 14:21, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where does this guy get all these money.... 

message: I found the mentioning of his favourite food being pizza to seem rather random or out of place. Especially seeing as there was a typo in it (which i fixed), I think it should either be verified or removed. =  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.90.73.160 (talk) 03:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pizza? 

message: "Concealed lab behind a movable staircase"? Uh-huh, right. Think anyone can verify that with credible sources?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZhouChee (talk • contribs) 07:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Something he was working on eight years ago can still be included in the article by changing the tense. As far as the link it can be partially retrieved  via the Internet archive and I fixed it at the article. The video doesn't work but the website and the date have been archived. Also the fact he kept a secret lab behind a mobile staircase is included in the video. This was also a TV appearance and can be included in the TV appearance section. In any case, this discussion should take place at the article talk if there is some reason to be discussed with the wider community. Δρ.Κ. λόγος14:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thx! The talk page has a question concerning the lab since 2010 with no reaction, so I thought, I'd ask you directly. I am now going to copy our dialogue there, because while the internet archive is a good idea, it doesn't really help that much, does it? I find this lab thing very odd and haven't found anything else about it... --Xario (talk)
End of copy. --Xario (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The citation is very specific. It is the Daily Planet episode from 25 May 2007. In it while the narrator talks about the secret lab, von Hagens moves an iron staircase and reveals the door of the lab. It is an old episode but perhaps it can be retrieved by someone. Btw, I hadn't seen the comment from 2010. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:07, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

text: What do you know. Here is the video on youtube. Staircase is at 5:17. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Awesome. I added it to the article as a second ref with the time mark. Guess it shows how "unique" GvH is... Thousand thanx! --Xario (talk) 08:54, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to be of help . I agree. von Hagens is a very interesting man. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:13, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laboratory location 

message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. 
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:04, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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message: It seems von Hagens' PR team has a hand in this article (probably not uncommon for multimillionaires on Wikipedia). The lede is especially curious to me "The sourcing of biological specimens for his exhibits has been controversial, but he insists that informed consent was given before death of donors, and extensive documentation of this has been made available.", with the claim about extensive documentation, while being true, seeking to play down the fact he was unable to actually name his sources for many of the corpses and a DER SPIEGEL investigation found him to be using executed Chinese prisoners. --RRorg (talk) 16:43, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitewashing 

message: I kept running into this fellow while I was trying to recall the name of Frederik Ruysch, whose story is quite similar but separated by a few hundred years.  It would have saved me a lot of trouble if he had been mentioned in a 'see-also' section.  Does this seem justifiable given how similar their work is?  --Pish1le (talk) 05:54, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compare [[Frederik Ruysch]]