Talk:Insane Clown Posse/Archive 2

message: I've removed the NPOV tag.  It was added by Fyrre, whose replies on this talk page, as can be easily seen, elevate tersity to an art form.  If Fyrre cannot take the time to give specific details of specific claims in the article which he or she feels violate NPOV, then it is inappropriate to have the NPOV tag in the first place.  The use of the NPOV tag puts a burden on the person who added it to explain their reasons.  I don't feel that Fyrre has done this.  Respectfully, Kasreyn 23:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV tag removed 

message: Why nothing on the Sharon Osbourne/ICP dispute a few years ago?
:I've never heard of it.  I vaguely remembered ICP dissing her in one of their raps back when.  Was that involved with it?  Got a link?  Kasreyn 01:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sharon Osbourne bet ICP that their next album wouldn't sell 500,000 copies. The next album was a double album that sold 250,000 each. ICP claim they won because they sold 500,000 records, while Osbourne claims they only sold 250,000 since the same people probably bought both albums. Osbourned never paid ICP, so ICP donated a large amount of money to charity in her name to spite her. This really isn't notable enough to put in the main article. Juggaleaux 03:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already detailed on Osbourne's page anyway.--Rosicrucian 00:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: they mention it on the Bizaar/Bizzar album pages too.The juggreserection 18:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sharon Osbourne 

message: Well, that's done, and several bad-faith lookalike articles have been speedied. Let's keep a close watch ont the main article to make sure he doesn't sneak it back in via sockpuppet.--Rosicrucian 14:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD Finished

message: Well, he's back. I've put a notice out to the original admin that banned his account, so hopefully we can stomp out these sockpuppets. Keep an eye out to see if he makes any splinter articles, so we can get them speedied.--Rosicrucian 03:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Or not...

message: Talkpage was getting huge, so I moved anything before May to /archive1.--Rosicrucian 11:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archived

message: Please do not link to internet radio sites in this article. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for website promotion.--Rosicrucian 17:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why if they play ICP than this is the perfect place RealG187 17:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internet radio sites 

message: im not much of a writer, so im hoping someone who knows about the game will write something about it on this page or give it it's own page. thanks .--ats02171 15:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  morton's list 

message: The part on the main page that says where the term "Juggalo" came from is incorrect. It's simply a mixture of the words "juggler" and "gigolo". No need to make it any more complicated than that. Overanalyzation makes Wikipedia sad.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.224.34.216 (talk • contribs) 03:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for this? Because I certainly can't find one.--Rosicrucian 18:37, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Nonsense.  See Juggalo, which has an explanation directly quoting one of ICP's founders on how the term arose.  If I'm not mistaken, the explanation is precisely as complicated as it needs to be.  Kasreyn 02:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit Suggestion

message: Normally I wouldn't care that much about genre, but I feel I really must question its description in the actual text, (the template thing on the side that says just Horrorcore is fine) to be particularly misleading. Hardcore Metal? (which redirects to Metalcore, by the way, which again eh?) Horrorcore Metal? Just because a rap group tends to sample distorted guitar riffs in their beats for songs does not really in any way make them a metal band. Otherwise you may as well say that Trick Daddy's song Let's Go is a metal song because it samples Ozzy.
I haven't listened to every song by ICP, but until someone points out a metalcore song they did I'm going to remove the Hardcore Metal designation, I feel that the metal designation after horrorcore should be removed too, perhaps with a note elsewhere describing their sound, one could even mention that their sound is relatively identical to Twiztid and other bands on their label, whatever it's called.--
id say rap-metal but i dont know though Jimmypop1994 00:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre?

message: i just finished the discography table.
i wasnt sure if i should put the calm in albums or eps
i put it in eps for now Jimmypop1994 13:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm wondering:  what happened to the info on RIAA certs (ie. gold, platinum, etc.)?  The link to the RIAA page which was formerly in the article was a form of citation to support these claims.  Now they're unsupported and could be challenged as such.  Shouldn't the link to the searchable RIAA db go back in?  Kasreyn 19:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Calm 

message: Does anyone know the name of the song that goes, "i like ice cream cherry pie and lemon aid with summer freezers"?
:That's Rainbows and Stuff from the Bizaar album Chenxlee 22:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song 

message: how come this group can't have pictures? I've uploaded pictures of them multiple times only to return and see that they are gone. I also checked and saw that many other bands groups and rappers DO have pictures, so why do the pictures for this group keep getting deleted?
:I haven't checked thoroughly, but at a guess I'd put it down partially to...
:# Vandalism: This page has been vandalized repeatedly, so I wouldn't be surprised!  If the image is simply deleted from this article without explanation, (i.e. the image itself is not deleted from Wikipedia) the changes can easily be reverted.
:# Copyright infringement: If the image itself has been removed by an administrator, you can check the deletion log.  You may not normally use any copyrighted images on Wikipedia.  However, it is OK to use promotional images of the band, provided that suitable fair use justification is given.
djsik 16:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Images have been repeatedly removed due to copyright reasons.  This is nonsense, as WP policy clearly states that (very important) in the absence of a free alternative image, it is OK to use a copyrighted image provided it serves a clear purpose in the article.  This is fair use under U.S. copyright law.  So unless there is a free image of ICP available, we can use a copyrighted imagem, but only ONE image.  The people who have deleted images of ICP have never pointed to a free alternative that is available, so I don't see a problem with grabbing an image to use.  Preferably not a promo image off their website - an image from a newspaper, or taken by a fan, would be more appropriate.  Kasreyn 06:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are misunderstanding fair use.  It is only fair use to use a copyrighted image if it is no longer possible to ever obtain a free image (i.e., if the person is dead).  An image released in a promotional pack, or specifically indicated to be a press release media image on their website, would be allowable (pinching from a gallery would not). Proto::► 09:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Does anybody really know if The Tempest
is going to be released or if that is just a fluke. The reason i ask that is I don't want to get excited over an album that isn't even going to get produced and sold. Thank you for your time and patience. 
Random note: Nice job on cleaning up this article to make it more factual and not fictional. I love it now, thanks.
 KoRnNinjaMaggot 
 A caring ninja 
The Tempest will be released March 20th, 2007. Ogyaf 11:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have a question 

message: : I removed it due to irrelevence to anything to do with information, questions or suggestions. Just POV that nobody cares about. So if you hate ICP so much don't post about it where it'll most likely be removed because it is useless. Thanks and please heed this warning of useless POV subjects/topics. (Socialismo01 23:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I removed the "I don't mean to vandalize" or whatever section 

message: There has been a disagreement between some over cirtifications and chart positions.
using [www.riaa.com] for the cirtifications
and www.allmusic.com for the chart positions, its all correct right now
The ringmaster, coc, and all eps except the calm havn't charted
the calm is the only ep that charted
and coc bizaar, bizzar, all eps, forgotten freshness vol 3., forgotten fresness vol 4, and the wrath albums havent been cirtified by the riaa —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jimmypop1994 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cirtifications and chart Positions 

message: It's getting a bit silly now - we're reverting the page just about every day.  Please can we try to find a consensus on the following proposals...
* Launch a clampdown on vandals: Always place warning tags on their user talk pages, report to admin if they persist.  Perhaps we could create a list of known vandal usernames and IPs on this talk page to keep track of them?
* Semi-protect the page: This will cut out all IP/new user vandalism, but will stop all the constructive edits from new/unregistered people too.  Probably best only as a last resort.
Alex valavanis 11:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: There was some just awful writing done on the page, and I cleaned up what I could.  I only made it to the bit about the sixth Joker Card before I wore out.  I didn't change any of the information, but I think I made it more readable.
Echo5Joker
===Language Choice Justification?===
for example, "This attempt at a diss song was considered weak..."  Diss song?  Is there any reason that we aren't using more intelligent language here?  Is the term jargon in the rapcore community, and therefore it's use is justified?  If so, can we get a reference to a specific reputable source refering to this specific song as a diss song? 71.14.76.237 22:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That and the rest of the section seems to contain a large amount of original research.Ocatecir 03:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, a dis track is a legitimate term in the rap world, and there's definitely songs that the term (and little else besides the term) can and should be applied to ("Ether", by Nas, for one). So, if there's evidence that it's a dis track, I'd say leave it in. 4.236.240.74 13:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Atrocious Writing

message: for example, "This attempt at a diss song was considered weak..."  Diss song?  Is there any reason that we aren't using more intelligent language here?  Is the term jargon in the rapcore community, and therefore it's use is justified?  If so, can we get a reference to a specific reputable source refering to this specific song as a diss song? 71.14.76.237 22:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That and the rest of the section seems to contain a large amount of original research.Ocatecir 03:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, a dis track is a legitimate term in the rap world, and there's definitely songs that the term (and little else besides the term) can and should be applied to ("Ether", by Nas, for one). So, if there's evidence that it's a dis track, I'd say leave it in. 4.236.240.74 13:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Language Choice Justification?

message: User:Voice of All removed Semi-protection on 7th Jan, which seemed like a reasonable idea.  However, vandalism started again with a vengeance yesterday.  It seems that this page is a favourite for vandals, and that won't change for a very long time.  It's very disheartening when as far as I can see, 18 of the 22 edits since semi-protection was removed, have been either vandalism or reverts.  Is it worth considering a longer term semi-protection?   Alex valavanis 00:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Return to Semi-protect? 

message: There is a song circulating on filesharing programs called Weed War, which is allegedly by ICP (WIth Twiztid & Kottonmouth Kings), however, I have asked around, and have gotten many juggalos telling me it's a fake song, or that its by the Phunk Junkeez(sp?). So which one is it, is it fake, or by someone else? I have uploaded the song here, that way, someone can verify this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.154.242.114 (talk) 22:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weed War? 

message: i think the arcticle is good enough now to remove the section about the cleanup to meet wikipedia's quality standardsJimmypop1994 15:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: are you sure thats the actual cover???
i cant find any other site that has a cover for the album and this one looks more like an advertisement due to the fact that it sayd that the album is coming out in September. unless sombody shows proof im going to remove the cover.209.244.188.208 16:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tempest Cover 

message: I noticed that Mutilation Mix isn't featured in the compilation/remix/etc section.  Is there any reason why this was left out? --Joker50187 06:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's Mutilation Mix? 

message: As per the RIAA search engine for Insane Clown Posse, these are the certifications.
THE GREAT MILENKO - 05/04/98 - GOLD
SHOCKUMENTARY - 07/23/98 - GOLD
THE GREAT MILENKO - 04/21/99 - PLATINUM
FORGOTTEN FRESHNESS - 09/30/99 - GOLD
RIDDLE BOX - 11/23/99 - GOLD
THE AMAZING JECKEL BROTHERS - 01/06/00 - GOLD
BIG MONEY HUSTLAS - 04/04/01 - GOLD
SHOCKUMENTARY - 05/21/02 - PLATINUM
BOOTLEGGED IN L.A. - 10/08/03 - GOLD
THE RINGMASTER - 06/07/04 - GOLD
The only platinum album is The Great Milenko. Even if ICP has actually sold more than a million of any other album, RIAA has only given the award to The Great Milenko. Period. Juggaleaux 06:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I REPEAT: AJB IS NOT PLATINUM. I have even cited a link to the riaa database so you can search it yourselves. Please stop changing AJB to platinum regardless of whatever ICP's official site says. The RIAA database is the official judgement on this since they are the ones who GIVE THEY CERTIFICATIONS. Juggaleaux 03:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Do you have a link you can point to for your "hard proof"?--Rosicrucian 20:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: RIAA Certifications

message: The passages added by Fuuula are a copyright violation, having been copy-and-pasted from the official website, as a quick Google search on my part revealed.  As such, I've removed them to avoid copyvio. --Rosicrucian 15:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur with analysis and removal. Ronbo76 15:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio removed. 

message: This article of ICP are made in spanish wikipedia, please put es:Insane Clown Posse in this English article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.246.71.60 (talk) 08:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  this article of ICP are made in spanish wikipedia 

message: the blender article mention is repeated twice in the criticisms. Once at the beginning and once at the end (70.71.194.105 07:10, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticisms