Talk:Biblical support for dystheism

message: the "scholarly" approach to this would be to recognize that YHWH of the Old Testament is far from identical to the monotheistic God of the New Testament and that it is therefore an anachronism to apply criteria of monotheism to the God of the Old Testament. Philosophical monotheism arose with Hellenism, and Christianity grew out of a syncretism of Judaism and Hellenistic philosophy, creating theological problems in the process. For the purpose of ancient Judaism, YHWH is a henotheistic deity, and there is no dilemma at all with him being not "wholly-anything". These historical connections are illustrated very artfully, impressively and learnedly (as always with Mann) in Joseph and His Brothers, which might bear being mentioned here. dab (ᛏ) 17:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

message: In the first paragraph, there's a parenthetical "(including Bertrand Russell, Tim Maroney, and many of the authors, poets, musicians, and artists cited above)", with "above" linking to a section that no longer exists, and certainly isn't "above". If anyone knows where that list went, please relink it. Meanwhile, I'm just removing the citation phrase for now. Maybe I'll dig through the history in a bit. --John Owens | (talk) 02:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Odd. That bit was added in the very last edit before mine, so it never linked to a valid section of the article. I guess I'll just leave that out for now, then. --John Owens | (talk) 02:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Originally the plan was to put this material back into the base Dystheism article, but it became quickly apparent that this would make that article way too long. I'll point back to the proper section that was supposed to be referenced which is in the base article. Craig zimmerman 14:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, thanks much. That's just fine now. --John Owens | (talk) 09:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Others cited above 

message: After I changed "us" to "them" to match with its antecedent, "people", I started thinking that all those examples should probably be changed to read "people" or "humans", and "they" and "them", since a Wikipedia reader isn't necessarily one of the people God was allegedly addressing. If there are no objections soon, I'll go ahead and "be bold"... in a couple of days. --John Owens | (talk) 10:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronoun/referents consistency 

message: I would propose that this article change its focus from being strictly Biblical to being much broader in scope. A title of something on the order of "Support for dystheism in eutheistic religious texts" would be useful, but that seems too clumsy. Examples from the Koran and other texts would be helpful. The claim that this is just Old Testament bluster and fury, isolated strictly within that categorization, has been made. It would be useful to provide examples external to that categorization here.
Regarding dab's proposal that this article be folded into the main dystheism article, the main article would become much too long if that were done. I propose that we move on my previous suggestion to round out this article more, and see after that what is the worthwile path.
Thanks everyone. Craig zimmerman 19:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: not after we cut down the rambling, no it wouldn't. Even as it is, it would yield below 40k if merged in full, well below size concerns. dab (𒁳) 20:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal