Talk:United States Junior Chamber

message: Some one plz see the latest edit by an annon. Thanks. --Bhadani 16:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: At present it is a bunch of links - some to states, others chapters.  Do we want Jaycee history - all I have as reference is some papers I received from the Jaycees when I joined?  There used to be a site about the St. Louis Jaycees that had an extensive early history which I can't find anymore or has changed. actually the reference fixed links to Jaycees would reference much of the paper info I have.
Also the references links are off, I found some problems myself with adding links to different reference types I have not figured out why sometimes a reference will usually receive a number and in this case at present the numbers are wrong in the reference section  Kidsheaven 20:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe I figured it out as I did get the links and reference fixed for this page, placement of the correct tags and descriptions in the correct places for links to work and show up in the reference section.  Kidsheaven 20:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I am soon to be a Jaycee Graduate (formerly referred to as an Exhausted Rooster), highlights of Jaycee activity through history, how things that are now Jaycee-esque came into existence, are in order. (Now that I just entered this, I should go and place "Exhausted Rooster" in there somehow, and anyone can feel free to move that section around if they wish). Elements could contain how the first Jaycee meeting in St. Louis was at the Mission Inn, and how that name came to be the former name of what is now the JC Family AIDS Network (JCFAN), plus JAYS, and more. 20:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is wanted for Jaycees 

message: Every president listed has had their name wikified, but that means that the link either doesn't exist (even for Hy Giessenbier), or, for a few, are namessakes for other persons (and instead go to that article--in one case, a disambiguation page that doesn't include our past president). However, Wendell Ford (38th, 1956-1957) is very much an article (a US Senator). That article barely touched on his Jaycee involvement, so I added a little to that. In addition, at the bottom of that page, is a succession table (for every office or nomination held). With that, I added his USJC presidency. Perhaps at one time we can create stub articles about the past presidents; at the very least, they should contain such a succession table. Also, can the unknown presidents be made known? Fwgoebel 04:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created an Eric Seidel (Jaycee) article. As it turns out, Eric Seidel was a redirect to Erik Seidel. What I did was change that redirect to a disambiguation page. If articles are linked to Eric Seidel and they want instead to go to Erik Seidel, they'll go throught that disambiguation page, and they can update their links as necessary. The Eric Seidel (Jaycee) article allows someone else with the same name to have his own article, such as Eric Seidel (Whatever). On Eric's page, I did a succession table as well, the same as I added to the lengthy table on Wendell Ford (Senator, KY). It should be easy enough to create stub articles like this for the remainder. Fwgoebel 19:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already a disambiguation page for Mike Marshall; I added Mike Marshall (Jaycee) as a link. Note that links in a disambiguation page are not to be piped. Fwgoebel 19:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Thanks for primer.  There are pages for all the National Presidents now.   (Lucido68 05:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You probably went a bit overboard there - I hope you don't mind my saying that. What you did was disambiguate every past president (by appending "(Jaycee)" after each name. Doing a disambiguate (dab) is only necessary when there's more than one person with the same (or very similar) name.What I'd suggest would be to create a stub article about each past president (like I did for Eric Seidel), but only disambiguate if there's a duplicate name (and that would involve doing a dab for the other article, as well as creating a dab redirect page if necessary. I'd do that one president at a time, perhaps working backward through time (using what I did for Eric Seidel as a guide). Also, there would be no need to do any article at all about Wendell Ford, as the article about him already includes him being Senator, Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and more from Kentucky. I know you put a lot into this but there's no need to revert.What I did tonight was to remove the dab for the presidents from 1999 to present, and I created a stub article about each president. I know it's a lot of stub articles, but anyone with further information about any of these leaders, including other positions held in addition to the individual's career, can add these things.One other thing: Look at the "pipe trick" I did with Eric Seidel: The code reads . Fwgoebel 06:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: No offense taken.  Constructive criticism is always appreciated. I tracked down the MIA Past Presidents so the list is now complete through 2007.  (Lucido68 16:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikification of Presidents 

message: If you look at the bottom of each page on www.usjaycees.org, you will see this:  "©2006 The United States Junior Chamber".  It means that you can't just cut and paste to wikipedia.  --rogerd 03:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Appears this is still an issue, the majority of this article (everything that I just tucked under the History subheading) is a direct copy/paste from www.usjayceefoundation.org/history/1940/ BrandonSaad (talk) 04:49, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violations 

message: Given that there has been what seems like intense interest in the presence of the Jaycees on Wikipedia, I'm suggesting that we might consider creating a WikiProject for this purpose. What that would entail would be to have a project page as well as its own discussion page, and it would be on that where we would be able to determine a consenus on the content to be on the US JC article, as well as those for the Senate, and any State organization member, past national presidents, etc. A small project template would then be placed on each of these articles making note of them being a part of this Project, including "Stub-Jaycee". Plus, we could be able to create our own userboxes (for those wishing to have them on their user pages) that could include "This user is a Jaycee.", "This user is a Jaycee Graduate.", "This user is a JCI Senator.", etc. Having such a project would further unite us in an effort to make the organiztion's presence an encyclopedic one, invite others to participate, and show others what a positive impact we can make. I participate in a number of highway route article projects; feel free to visit my user page to see them for examples. Fwgoebel 06:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sounds like a good plan to me. (Lucido68 15:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're getting the idea behind the notion of a project to be created. With such, we would be able to develop a concurrence on how articles about various Jaycees' entities would be formatted - what would be included, what would not, and how - keeping in mind that this is an encyclopedia article, not an advertisement. Now I am one month short of aging out, and unfortunately I'm between jobs (so I don't know how much time I can devote right now) but hearing from at least two other persons, and I'm guessing fellow Jaycees or Jaycee Graduates/Roosters, that it can begin from this. Fwgoebel 05:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I included Atlanta as a link bc it now has a seperate Wikipedia article. As a Past LP, it has always bothered me that there was no ability to maintain the rich history of the org in some location.  I took what I knew and developed the article in its current form.  I think it is important to have this information up there are we are one of the oldest chapters in the country with a long history in ATL.  I understnd the aversion to creating a laundry list of web links but this is a seperate article with a connection to this article and was intended to be so.  Am I missing something?  Lucido68 19:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is nothing against the Atlanta link- just what seems to be the desired way to link to the main site, time frame to add this is not as important, I just suddenly noticed it linked direct and that suggests or encourages potential of too many links that ultimately could all be listed in a one or more directories as required so the main Jaycee site does not become a list of sites again, yet gives easy access to additional interesting  information linked directly to the main site.  I mention Department stores as I have been working on some and it allows much more information in an organized format. kidsheaven 23:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for a Jaycee WikiProject 

message: I have created the category "Wikipedians in the Junior Chamber" under the parent categories "Wikipedians by Organization" and "Junior Chamber International". To add yourself to this category, add the text Category:Wikipedians in the Junior Chamber to the bottom of your user page. I may make a user box in the future, which would automatically place that category into your user page. Said userbox is yet to be created. Fwgoebel 21:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Optionally, you can pipe your category entry by placing your user name after a pipe username to place your user name alphabetically on the category page. If you don't, your name will appear under "U" for User:.Fwgoebel 21:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category for your user pages 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Jaycees logo.gif

message: The section on the Creed says that the "original" creed (first adopted in 1946) didn't include a reference to God and that such a reference was added in 1951. Next to this section is a picture of the "original" creed with the reference to faith and God included. This copy seems to be dated 1946, depending on how hard you squint. So, did the "original" actually include this reference, or was the creed not adopted as shown in the picture?
I just wanted to point this out so that someone who's more interested than I can research and correct this contradiction. Ansonite (talk) 23:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As written, the original Creed didn't include a reference to God.  The reference to the image as "original" then isn't accurate. 75.120.57.151 (talk) 14:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jaycee Creed contradiction 

message: There are problems with the last sentence in the article (which was recently added or possibly re-added).  I'm going to temporarily ignore whether this information belongs in this article or not, as well as the inflammatory language, and merely address the more clear-cut problem.  First, whether they're the organizer of a large rattlesnake hunt, or a rattlesnake hunt at all, is not sourced here.  Second, whether the hunts are indeed senseless also needs to be supported; for example, in some cases hunting is important to the ecosystem.  (Even if one wishes to assert that there are better ways to accomplish the goal than hunting, hunting is still important if those other ways have not been implemented.)  Related to this is the third problem--even if the hunting isn't important in this case, "complete disregard" is a strong assertion that demands evidence.  For example, the organizers may ensure that the animals are protected in areas where they serve an important purpose as predators, while hunting them in areas (such as farmland) where their prey is scarce and they may mostly be hazardous to humans and domesticated animals.
I'll leave it up to somebody else to determine whether this information is relevant to and belongs in this entry or not (although I personally think it would be better in a different article that this has a link to).  Whether it should be here or not, it needs citations; otherwise, it should be removed on verifiability grounds alone.Vykk (talk) 01:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been added 3 times now, removed twice. The bias is a bit much, in my opinion. I'm going to take it out. If someone wants it in, feel free to discuss.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwzeiher (talk • contribs) 01:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rattlesnake Roundups 

message: I found this page looking for a person named Jaycee (specifically Jaycee Lee Dugard). I think this might merit a disambiguation page, but don't know myself how to create one. --92.26.32.11 (talk) 10:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible disambiguation page needed? 

message: I propose that the content from Ten Outstanding Young Persons that relates solely to the Junior Chamber International be merged from that page into The Outstanding Young Persons of the World. This will leave the only content on Ten Outstanding Young Persons relating to those countries not affiliated with JCI, namely Taiwan. All other content is proposed to be moved and both pages disambiguated so that future updated will be appropriately recorded. It is also proposed to disambiguate at the List of The Outstanding Young Persons of the World. Comments are welcome here. Rangasyd (talk) 09:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal re Ten Outstanding Young Persons 

message: I came in here looking for whether the Jaycees were ""J.C.'s"" ..as in a throwback to .. ?? .. or I guess celebrating?? the life of, Jesus Christ / whether this is a Christian or more broadly, a religious organization - John Wayne Gacy was a ""chaplain"" eventually in this nonprofit; That is what got me thinking about this Wikipedia article! The article does not really say where this org is or was headquartered! Where in the United States was this chapter of the *international* overreaching or parent organization based? Also, the first link to ""Roberts vs United States Jaycees"" is a 34-page PDF; So, on page 6 of 34, there is a footnote number 28 that actually goes apparently to the actual document - hence, this link that is a reference, is to a document that is a reference to a reference if you will... I think this Wikipedia article should credit the deeper source directly - don't you agree? Thanks. -From Peter {a.k.a. Vid2vid (talk | contribs)} 07:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes - wow - agree - this article needs a lot of rework / cleanup 

message: I'm removing the "controversies" section as WP:UNDUE because the cited source only supports that some members of the Waterloo chapter in the mid-1960s "unofficially" engaged in improper behavior.  I've been unable to find any sources that connect the national organization with criminal or "vice" activity, other than a handful of newspaper clippings about various chapters being involved in anti-pornography activities. Even the Waterloo activities are only mentioned because of the involvement of Gacy. Schazjmd (talk) 15:27, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of "controversies" section