Talk:Vice President of the Philippines

message: On Tolentino, I know that this could be controversial, but historically, he still was a VP of the country, though just for a moment. Even though there was the EDSA Revolution that deposed the old regime, he was still proclaimed VP of that old existing order (regardless of the truth of the electoral allegations). 
Tolentino served as VP before the revolution, and that historically should be recognized, since  Salvador Laurel himself became VP during that Fourth Republic himself after the same revolution, and not only the Fifth Republic. The Fifth only came into effect after the new constitution, in 1987 and Laurel got the VP position earlier, in 1986, after EDSA. Hence, Tolentino was a VP, and just because he was not recognized by the new regime should not mean that his name should be removed from the list. Hope that I clarified that. I don't want to be unfair to that old order kasi. :-) --Noypi380 16:17, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, :-) --Noypi380 00:18, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Done, I corrected that part, Mariano Trias was never a Vice President of the Philippines. --Noypi380 15:05, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
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message: First he needs an article. Second, he seems to have been recognized as a Vice President by today's government. So even if technically he didn't become a VP, but he is recognized by the government (as evidenced by the OVP website), then does he automatically become one? --Howard the Duck 09:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I feel so because he has done the capacity of one. ¡Viva Cavite! --Justox dizaola 09:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, an article would  be good, but unsure if he really is a VP of the PH. Let's wait for Gareon, although I expect him to disagree that he is a VP of the PH, and so do I. :) --Noypi380 15:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason I asked the question was because I'll panning on nominating List of Vice Presidents of the Philippines as a WP:FL, and with the reference there posted is at OVP site, and Mariano Trias is listed as a VP. The question here is where we could get a citation that Trias isn't a VP, not just our interpretation of historical events. --Howard the Duck 01:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: But can it be said that the present government accepts Trias as the first VP? Also, what we need here is a citation (website, book, etc.) that Trias isn't accepted as the first VP by historians. --Howard the Duck 04:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, can we say Gareon is the book? :) Answering the question, that won't be necessary, the 1935 constitution, which has the first ever VP provision in the history of the state, is more than enough. :) --Noypi380 04:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But how can we explain the Trias isn't a VP when he appears on the roster provided by OVP.gov? --Howard the Duck 05:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: This is not a NPOV issue but a verifiability issue. We don't need to disprove that he's VP, because he's pre-1935. It is up to the historians to prove that he's VP, none that I know have done so, although yes checking nhi would be best. The site of the Office of the VP does not also prove Trias was a VP, rather, it proves that the web site has dubious reliability. Until a better source is found, we should not mention Trias in the list, because if we do, we would just confuse the reader more. The list already is the most accurate possible in my opinion, hope to see it as a featured list soon. :) --Noypi380 15:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the OVP website's history of the vice-presidency, the first name mentioned with regards to Vice-President is the name of Mariano Trias.  Probably they have something that can prove he's the first Vice-President?  --Sky Harbor 12:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the problem, we'd have to disprove by citing somebody credible (like a book or some historian) that Trias wasn't a VP, and it should be mentioned in this and on the list article. otherwise, the list article wouldn't pass FL. --Howard the Duck 12:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

text: That's great, now to convince everybody, we'd need another one. --Howard the Duck 13:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait... it says there Arturo Tolentino isn't counted too. --Howard the Duck 13:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I'm confused..hahaha...but quoting from the article, The second mistaken inclusion is that of the name of Arturo Tolentino. Tolentino cannot be counted as veep because the country rejected the official Fourth Republic proclamation of Marcos-Tolentino as the winners of the 1986 snap elections. Dubious reliability again. If that is the case, it's like saying that Jose Laurel was not a Prez, coz the commonwealth did not recognize it. Or the Spanish never came and colonized, when for a moment, it was not recognized by the Portuguese in the 1500s due to conflicting claims. We need more sources, more sources. :) --Noypi380 14:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Note. Notice this source saying that Trias was 1899, not 1897, is in fact, wrong. Be wary of unreliable sources. :) --Noypi380 15:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, :0 I didn't see that... :) thought it was an English tab (MQ3 wrote it too) hehe. :) --Noypi380 02:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Opinion articles are ok too. --Noypi380 11:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mariano Trias]] 

message: Wikipedia:Peer review/List of Vice Presidents of the Philippines. --Howard the Duck 07:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review 

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message: A discussion taking place at Talk:President of the Philippines#Dates of Aguinaldo's term appears to impact this article as well. Some editors of this article may want to comment there. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates of Aguinaldo's term(s) 

message: Im looking for sources that PICCCuntil 2005. 
Bonvallite (talk) 01:16, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Residence 

message: @RioHondo, Filipino women have three options on what surname to use as a public figure. Either their maiden name (Grace Poe Llamanzares), married name (Leni Gerona Robredo) or both (Miriam Defensor Santiago. Both Macapagal and Arroyo are her legal surnames in the Philippine context. Her relation to the previous Macapagal president is an important footnote to her bio. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 02:15, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  She is always referred to as "Macapagal Arroyo" not just Arroyo. Try moving the article and see where it gets you. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 03:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Her WP:Commonname is really GMA - Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, only her common surname is just Arroyo in all news outlets is what im saying.--RioHondo (talk) 03:12, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: Can anyone check what the correct salary grade for the vice president is? Saw in RA6758 (https://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1989/ra_6758_1989.html) VP get salary grade 32. There's a reference to new salary grades here https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2016/02/19/executive-order-no-201-s-2016/ but not sure which one is which? 50 pesos is clearly not right. 112.205.229.231 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 16:13, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vice president salary 

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