Talk:Human/Image

message: This may be more appropriate on the main talk page (in which case please move it) but it may help our thoughts on images to ask ourselves who the intended audience is (clearly not aliens) and what they would be trying to gain from the article. Martin Hogbin (talk) 08:22, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Part of our intended audience is people for whom English is not their native language. For such people, stating the obvious at times can be not only useful, but essential for comprehension. So there are practical, not just POV, reasons to be explicit about things which most humans (excepting the very young) presumably already know. -Silence (talk) 06:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I guess another audience might be the young, or others, who are studying the position and status of humans within the wider context of life on Earth.Martin Hogbin (talk) 11:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audience 

message: Do we have a page of candidate images or should we start one here? It would be helpful to have something concrete to discuss, the more the merrier.Martin Hogbin (talk) 11:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't one, but I'll gladly make one. I'll start with various images that have been proposed in the past on Talk:Human, plus three new images (3D, 4D, 5D) which I'll propose below; feel free to voice your opinions on any of them. -Silence (talk) 20:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I have added a couple. Martin Hogbin (talk) 21:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: True, a free-use image like Two Virgins would be a huge improvement over the Pioneer one. Though preferably it wouldn't feature celebrities, since that would distract from the article's subject for much the same reason the Pioneer image does. (Though that's the least of the plaque's problems.) -Silence (talk) 00:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added an actual photograph of nude humans to the candidates list, as an example. (Though presumably if it were used, it would be sans labels.) -Silence (talk) 00:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Cropped the 4D image. Moved 7D to rejected (16R) because it's not free-use. -Silence (talk) 02:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

text: 'Animal' is an incredibly broad taxon (a Kingdom), and so very diverse that it would be nearly impossible to illustrate, with just one animal, the defining features shared by all animals. By comparison, 'human' is an extremely narrow biological grouping, and the common features of humans can be easily depicted in just one or two examples (whereas no image can depict their full range of diversity, so it's pointless to try); no species or subspecies article employs a collage. See Talk:Human/FAQdraft. -Silence (talk) 00:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candidate images 

message: Why shouldn't humans have a collage of pictures just like the animals article ?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KgKris (talk • contribs) 
:'Animal' is an incredibly broad taxon (a Kingdom), and so very diverse that it would be nearly impossible to illustrate, with just one animal, the defining features shared by all animals. By comparison, 'human' is an extremely narrow biological grouping, and the common features of humans can be easily depicted in just one or two examples (whereas no image can depict their full range of diversity, so it's pointless to try); no species or subspecies article employs a collage. See Talk:Human/FAQdraft. -Silence (talk) 00:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Collage

message: Han-Chinese are the most common ethnic group in the Homo Sapiens Sapiens species, Why not use a picture of a Han-Chinese family or cuople? How about use a picture like this
:Sounds fine to me. The image you linked, however, makes it impossible to actually see any humans clearly. Ideally we'd use one with at least as much anatomical information as the current one, rather than sacrificing quality purely for ethnographic reasons. -Silence (talk) 01:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well i was thinking about a Nuclear Family with pre- & adult members of both Male & Female. --82.134.154.25 (talk) 11:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be fine too, but remember that our top priority is to show a human, clearly and distinctly; if we can show multiple ones without sacrificing anything, that's a great added bonus, but not if it means obscuring body parts or excluding important universal features like tool use or bipedalism. If we worry too much about showing multiple ages, we'll start getting complaints about not depicting any elderly people, or any infants, etc. -Silence (talk) 11:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Honestly I think the perfect place to use a suitable family would be under Human#Life_cycle; if we could somehow find high-quality, distinct, similarly-framed shots (ideally full-body) of a grandmother, a mother, and a daughter (or equivalently an age-differentiated sibling or cousin for either of the latter two), it would be a great way to isolate which particular features change over the different life stages of a given individual, whereas our current gallery leaves that unclear. (And it'd be much easier to find and photograph a multi-generational family than to acquire appropriate age-shifted photos of the same anonymous person, for both a male and a female.) -Silence (talk) 11:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about...