Talk:December 17

message: "2006 - The Metalocalypse begins" - isn't this advertising? Luke Parks 00:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metalocalypse 

message: "1973 - 32 are killed in an attempt at the Rome Fiumicino Airport."
Attempt to do what??? GreatWhiteNortherner (talk) 04:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rome 

message: Redsky85, why do you keep changing my contribution for the death of Frank Pastore?  It is a verified fact that Frank Pastore was a radio personality.  He had a talk show on KKLA radio (http://www.kkla.com/frankpastore.aspx)  If you edit this out again I will report you as a vandal.
User98432 (talk) 20:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redsky85 edits 

message: An anonymous editor is continually adding the event Project for Awesome without any explanation as to why it is notable.  Rather than edit war over the item, a discussion here is appropriate.  I do not feel that this event meets the long-term global notability requirements per WP:DOY.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't seem that it is known outside the YouTube community.  It also is a very minor event when you consider how much money it has raised. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

text: "The fact that it's not well known outside the YouTube community shouldn't in itself disqualify it."  Unfortunately, yes it should.  Your statement sums it up.  It isn't globally notable outside it's own community.  That's the qualifier.  And as for the funds raised, a local Girl Scout troop could raise as much as this event (only a slight exaggeration).  For comparison, the 12-12-12: The Concert for Sandy Relief raised $50 million.  That's one event, one time, for one regional disaster.  If this annual event, in ten years, has grown to a wide international success, maybe the event can be listed here.  It isn't even an established charitable organization.  And you are correct, the ship sinking should be removed.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 02:13, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Please don't use other entries to support inclusion of another.  We miss many that should be removed.  New additions are usually the ones that get noticed.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 10:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

text: I might suggest that all of the events you mention should be removed, but I haven't reviewed them.  I don't have the time or inclination to do so.  Those events must be ignored when debating this one because stuff gets missed.  It would be imprudent to expand the discussion to include all possible events.  I did review the event you added and I don't feel that it meets the criteria.  It may indeed be global in scope, but it is not global in notability.  $400,000 is peanuts in contemporary fundraising terms.  Especially for something that you claim is so wide in scope.  I'd expect YouTube to have much more reach and I would chaulk this up as almost a PR failure for YouTube.  I haven't seen any evidence that the participation was in the millions as you suggest but that alone wouldn't change my opinion.  This evidently can't be decided by you and me.  We'll need to wait for additional input to form consensus.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 18:12, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

text: The existence of other events is not relevant.  I have not put an ounce of thought in to any other events for the purpose of this discussion.  They don't matter.  I'm not making a judgement right now whether they belong or not.  The article on this event is very short and doesn't provide enough detail about the claims that you make.  There is no mention of where the money has gone and who has been helped.  No mention of participation.  No mention of who is talking about it.  Build a better article that supports the notability you claim and then we can talk.  Global notability is somewhat subjective, but to make a claim at least a marginal effort to support it must be made.  Your support for notability can't be contained here on this page, it must be in the topic article, supported by various reliable sources.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 20:37, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Project for Awesome

message: Frank was more than just a "host". The Frank Pastore show became among the largest Christian talk shows in the United States. He had a talk show on KKLA radio (http://www.kkla.com/frankpastore.aspx)  This gave him prominence and notoriety.  
User98432 (talk) 15:29, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't understand what you mean? the show is called "The Frank Pastore show" that makes him the host it's not wrong so stop edit waring Dman41689 (talk) 17:58, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

text: The lead in his bio article says "radio personality and Major League baseball player".  In the context of the date pages, the description should reflect whatever it says in the bio article.  The description should be "American radio personality and baseball player."  If you wish to change it, get consensus for change in the bio article.  End of conflict.   -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 16:07, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank Pastore