Talk:Liu Bei

message: Known for his vitue and his desire to restore order for the Han Dynasty, Liu Bei could've made China into a land of justice and righteous rule if he didn't fade away into the heveans from the Battle of Yi Ling. Liu Bei, to me, will always remind many people of what it takes to be vituous when so much chaos is around in the lands of China.
:What's with the propaganda? There's three of these edits in the talk page now...See my discussion at the end. Aran|heru|nar 07:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liu Bei is forever known "Hero to the People" 

message: I believe he could've done more for China even with all odds standing against him and when the chances are so slim that there would be no tomorrow for him, his brother, his generals, and the people that believed in him.
--Sho Luo 20:58, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: These people need to read more official history rather than some fantasy novel, or else soon we'll be moving Guan Yu to Guan Yu (mythology). Aran|heru|nar 07:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liu Bei's passing 

message: Can anyone provide a source for this claim? i've never heard of it before, but i'm rather ignorant. --Plastictv 16:53, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok i've found some info on this one, will add in more to the article. :) --Plastictv 23:59, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Shoes that resemble Liu Bei's skills? Virtues? It's quite irrelevant to the content. Aran|heru|nar 07:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Liu Bei the patron of shoemakers

message: The last editor added this: "The most popular shoe which resembles Liu Bei is that of a white woolen slipper with a wolf head at the toes." i'm not sure how a pair of slippers could resemble Liu Bei, so i moved it here first. If you're the anonymous editor or if you know what he/she was talking about, please contribute. Cheers! :) --Plastictv 12:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Shoes that resemble Liu Bei's skills? Virtues? It's quite irrelevant to the content. Aran|heru|nar 07:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shoes that resemble Liu Bei???

message: I am surprised that none of the wiki articles pertaining to the Romance of the Three Kingdoms mentions the Chinese allegory/proverb "Liu Bei borrows Jingzhou" which was due to his "borrowing" Jingzhou as a base and subsequent refusal to return Jingzhou to Sun Quan.
Could someone research this allegory and place it somewhere appropriate in these articles? Is this allegory of modern development or classical?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk • contribs) 19:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liu Bei borrows Jingzhou 

message: 7hach (talk) 05:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Cliff image removed because that's not where the battle actually took place. 

message: In the "Romance of the Three Kingdom" Liu Bei is a kind and soft man. In history however Liu Bei is quit different, for instance it was Liu Bei who whipped the inspector and not Yide. Also in RotK when Che Zhou was ordered to kill Liu Bei but instead was killed by Guan Yu, in accual history Liu Bei killed Che Zhou after Liu rebelled against Cao Cao.  —Preceding KingDavid47 comment added by 68.190.121.79 (talk) 02:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kind personality 

message: I think people need to start citing sources.  While the content is certainly debatable due to its age, there are many elements that come solely from R3K and have no basis in Chen Shou's ZZTJ.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oafah (talk • contribs) 13:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half of his biography is purely fictional. 

message: ...his height is written in ancient Chinese measurements. Perhaps we could also convert them into modern units and put this information in the section? I'd do it myself, but I'm unsure of both a) whether or not this is a change we should make, and b) the exact conversions. Randomnessu (talk) 14:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  In section "Physical Appearance..." 

message: We all have clear about Liu Bei was in the family tree of the royal family. He spent his entire life of escaping from Cao Cao, and finally become the emperor of Shu Han at 60 years old. His life journey were basically across the entire China in 40 years. Liu Bei named his son called Shan 禅 (the latter emperor of Shu Han),and he named his adopted son Feng 封. 封禅(Feng, Shan) means becoming emperor in China. Whenever Liu Bei named his two sons, the emperor of the Han dynasty still control by Cao Cao, which means shall we assume that Liu Bei doesn't want to save the emperor from Cao Cao, and just want to become the next emperor? --八路军被服厂李厂长 (talk) 01:10, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Liu Bei really stay loyal to the Han dynasty? 

message: So the current picture of Liu Bei mention that it's from the Eido Period, so I'm assuming it's a Japanese picture. Which is weird to put as his main portrait on the wikipedia page considering he's Chinese. Shouldn't we put a chinese picture and push this one elsewhere?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zamarak (talk • contribs) 18:25, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no portrait of Liu Bei during his lifetime, a closer one in time isn't more realistic. And for the country of origin, I don't see why if an illustration is of better quality, It shouldn't be used because of his country of origin? The top lead image should be a representation of the character and Liu Bei was for 40 years an adventurer, general, leader of men while he was an emperor for the last 2 years of his life. Your comparison with a president of USA is also IMO wrong since in that case most information about them and of course their most important decision is during this timeline while, Liu Bei's life didn't change much between the time he was a wanderer before his 61 years old and the time he took his position as emperor since he always acted more as a general. During his las two years, he led a campaign and died one year later at Baidi. Also the illustration I believe is best clearly hint toward his famous cultural despiction in people's mind. TheWayWeAllGo (talk) 20:36, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why a Chinese historical figure should be represented by a ahistorical Japanese painting when there are more accurate and respectful portrayals. The Japanese painting is a product of Edo period imagination about what China ought to look like based on what they know about contemporary (Ming) China, as such it is not an appropriate portrayal of a historical Liu Bei. Liu Bei is a revered figure in Chinese history and being emperor is the culmination of his "wanderer" adventure. Culturally and historically, I agree with Zamarak in preferring the Chinese image that is produced much closer to Liu Bei's lifetime. _dk (talk) 21:58, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liu Bei Japanese Picture 

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