Talk:Gavin de Becker

message: I am not sure that this guy is an engineer. As far as I know, he did not creat the system from an engineering standpoint, but rather the conceptual base. Isaac Crumm 01:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Engineer?

message: I am anonymous, but doesn't this sound a little like a book-jacket blurb?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.176.211.2 (talk) 21:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely sounds to me like the de Becker, or someone working for him, wrote this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Labradane (talk • contribs) 09:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This whole article reads like an advertisement and should be deleted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.12.231 (talk) 19:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I did look for Gavin de Becker and his work as his work also is mentioned in Sweden. I have read his book "The gift of Fear" and i belive many around the world working in the area do take advise from his expertise. I saw this WP-article since I liked to advice another man working in the same area but in Europe. So please dont deleate this article.--IP7869 (talk) 20:57, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I reviewed the page and it's full of citations which I checked and are all accurate.  Also there's multiple contributors to the article.  Seems like there's been many additions since the COI was alerted in 2008; therefore, I am removing now. --Hollywoodd (talk) 01:35, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: advertisement?

message: Hi! What's sparked your interest in making additions and changes to the Gavin de Becker and The Gift of Fear articles? Regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 05:13, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:Hollywoodd 

message: Gavin de Becker had an abusive, mentally ill mother, who threatened his life numerous times when he was growing up.
A shocking, but revealing, segment of his book THE GIFT OF FEAR comes from his description of
a typical scene with his insane mother. As a child, he had to learn how to calmly defuse her rage and confusion--
sometimes as she pointed a gun at him. There's little question that these experiences must have powerfully affected not
only his personality, but his choice of career. The information belongs in the article.
23.121.115.9 (talk) 16:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gavin de Becker's Family Background Needs To Be Added 

message: None listed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.128.77 (talk) 23:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Academic credentials 

message: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3rAa8cJGt5cDSu71y9YC2A?si=97b9b65d2fb341bd
He talked about his past. Also, after 55:00, he starts sharing lots of (to me, questionable) theories about government, media, and pharmaceutical companies related to Covid.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EditingInSchool (talk • contribs) 03:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appeared on Joe Rogan Experience 

message: The man linked died well before the incident, and lived on the other side of the world 2600:1008:B14F:3B62:9592:B99C:3521:FD48 (talk) 13:06, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch! Feel free to make the edit next time :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Arthur Richard Jackson Linked? 

message: Hi @Crimestudyer, I believe this is the appropriate place to have the discussion we are having about the articles you wish to add to this page. I don't think it's standard to add a listing of all, or even several, published articles by a writer on their Wikipedia page, unless those articles have some prominence. What are your thoughts on this? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:51, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The purpose of the text I added is showing he's contributed to the Huffington Post.  I do think that's a notable aspect in someone's background.  And I provided some of his most notable articles as citations.  I did not provide all.  I see it written on many Wiki pages for other Huffington Post contributors (see Kathy Freston and David de Rothschild as examples).  If being a Huffington Post contributor isn't notable, it should be removed from all the other profiles as well. Crimestudyer (talk) 03:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that including only some of his articles under the Writing section would be somewhat random, and including them all could get exhaustive. How about just mentioning that he has written for HuffPost within the article, and using 1–3 of his articles as references? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:34, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That's exactly what I did.  I included he's written for HuffPost and included 3 articles as references.  De Becker had not engaged in much political discourse, always writing and doing speeches and TV about fear and violence.  Those public articles were a departure in that he spoke about the bigger misuses of fear (in war and politics).  Those articles explore the use of fear in politics and diplomacy (Secretary State John Kerry and Candidate Clinton).  His public writings are part of who he is which Wiki readers should see. Crimestudyer (talk) 03:42, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad we could come to an agreement!  Thanks for your help! Crimestudyer (talk) 13:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Fair enough, I shall restore your edit. Thanks for explaining your reasoning. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:57, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of individual published articles 

message: I recently added that de Becker is a billionaire to the lede and was reverted by  who asked why it was important. The wealth of a notable person is always relevant when covered by reliable sources. It puts into context the scale of his work as well as his financial success. It's encyclopedic content that readers want to know about. ––FormalDude (talk) 03:36, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @FormalDude, I don't wish to dispute with you unnecessarily, but can you provide relevant examples of other billionaires whose wealth is mentioned in their respective lead paragraphs? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:56, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure. Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos. ––FormalDude (talk) 04:00, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @FormalDude, fair enough, then I shall reinstate your edit. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:03, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. ––FormalDude (talk) 04:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

text: I see you are correct. Thanks for pointing it out! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billionaire 

message: Hi @Revirvlkodlaku
I finally have some free time and was looking forward to making some of the additions noted in the Talk page here.  In order to add, I need to delete and move things around.  Unfortunately, I can't do it all in one day.  Could you give me time before you just delete everything? I'm sure you might have edits after, but my intention is updating this with new content. Crimestudyer (talk) 04:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi @Crimestudyer, I believe you have good intentions. As a compromise, instead of adding content and looking for references later, could you instead add the content piecemeal, making sure everything is properly referenced before publishing? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi @Revirvlkodlaku, I tried following your directions here and included a properly cited addition which absolutely seems relevant to me. Joe Rogan's podcast is one of the most popular podcasts in the world, and when Joe asked Mr. de Becker how his career started, his response was from that essay. Can you please let me know how it is not relevant to Mr. de Becker? I'm following your direction and piecemealing the additions, so I want to be sure before I spend the time on additions and citations. Crimestudyer (talk) 02:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi @Crimestudyer, you are right, the Joe Rogan podcast is actually the most popular podcast in the world, as far as I know. I just don't think the content you were adding is all that important. It just says that he wrote a paper and that it was picked up by police departments....but what did they do with it after that? What, if any, influence did it have? Why do you think it's important to mention? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You're being very selective with your wording. The article was written when he was 21 years old and it was written on a topic that wasn't very written about then, as Mr. de Becker explained on the podcast. And it was picked up by the Department of Justice's National Criminal Justice Center, which is available to every police department in the United States. At 21 years old, that is unheard of. He was literally asked by Mr. Rogan, how did you start your career, and that article was how he began the answer. That article gave him the notoriety and people understood he knew what he was talking about with public figure protection, which led into the presidential appointments. Crimestudyer (talk) 20:05, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, those are fair points, and perhaps you're right 🧐 Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 11:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions