Talk:Solution Unsatisfactory

message: This is a good article, but needs its text and formatting updated. I'll try to give it a go later tonight. Overall, the content is good, just needs a good edittting. :)
Wellspring 14:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs some improvement

message: On top of the article the following was placed: 
"The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page."
But whoever placed this banner wrote nothing (0) here. 
Can you explain yourself and what exactly do you dispute? 
Thank you.
Adam Keller
:Adam, I added that.  The new text you added is comprehensive, but it is not neutral.  It takes a position on the story's imporance and role without being balanced.  Pleae read about Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that is the only problematic area.  For that sentence specificly, I'd say that any claim of denied credit has to be citing an outside source (see Wikipedia's policy on original research) and should hopefully be balanced with an argument against Heinlein's deserving of credit.  You're still writing your opinion in your modified sentence.  And who is to say what "sufficient" credit is?  Very POV. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 14:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Adam, this paragraph would be fine with me if you could provide one additional detail: cite an author or critique of an author who used the "future history" concept and acknowledged Heinlein as the originator.  BTW, please fix the last sentence, it is a run-on.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who disputes the Neutrality?

message: Can you either specify what is still disputed or take away that banner? Thank you.
Adam Keller(Adam Keller 16:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What is still disputed?

message: "As in all later Heinlein books and stories featuring a nuclear war with the Soviet Union (for example The Door into Summer), the US comes out victorious, battered but still powerful."
Neither the Soviets nor the Americans are victorious or powerful in the primary timeline of Farnham's Freehold.
I'm new at this Wiki stuff so I'm just bringing it up here for hopefully someone else to fix.
Mitheral 03:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccuracy in text 

message: OK the article is I think way too long now-- nearly as long as the story itself. Further, many opinions are expressed in the article which do not have corresponding citations. These opinions are widely held, I happen to hold many of them myself and I'm sure given an afternoon's research we can document them, but as it stands now they're unsourced. That has to be fixed. 
Adam, it doesn't look like anyone ever challenged your point about original research above. What WP:ORmeans is that you can collect and distill articles, saying "X says this, but Y says that". You can't draw specific content conclusions of your own, though. This isn't quibbling. To make a chemistry analogy, you can mix sources all you want, but the moment there's a reaction, you're doing original research. 
I used to have a collection of science fiction anthologies from the late 40's through early 70's. Including a couple which specifically make the exact same points about this story. Unfortunately, they were destroyed in a hurricane, or I'd run into my bedroom and add the sources myself. I totally agree that this story is pivotal in science fiction, and somehow has been forgotten by Heinlein fans and editors alike. 
On another note, the article is a wall of text and is IMO completely unreadable. Calling it out into sections should fix that. I'll do some surgery tomorrow. :)
Wellspring 05:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requires rewrite 

message: I think many criticisms of the article in this talk page above, are fair. However, what both intrigues me and raises alarm bells in my mind, is the question that has specifically to do with Lise Meitner as a model for Karst. Is there any proof of this? In fact, how plausible is that even. How famous was Lise Meitner in November of 1940? Or is there some way that Heinlein in specific might have been aware of her? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a question on a single point.