Talk:London Borough of Haringey

message: I'd be interested to know the significance of the two names Harringay and Haringey.
Maybe this could be mentioned in the article?
Duncan Smith 10:48, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: this might provide some explanation MRSC 11:31, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Names

message: Excellent article - thanks for that. Looks like there is a good case for going back to calling it Harringay then!
Duncan Smith 11:52, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I enjoyed the article too..although the big mistake in it was stating that Harringay pre 01/04.65 was part of the old Borough of Hornsey... it wasn´t, it was part of the Borough of Tottenham!! Maybe this is the reason that Harringay can´t be easily defined ..say like Tooting or Walthamstow IsarSteve 16:15, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haringey Harringay 

message: How can white British people be a(sic) ethnic minority when they make up 45% of the population if the next largest ethnic group makes up only 20%? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.73.199 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 14 February 2007
: Simple, a majority is, by definition, over 50%, and since 45% is less than that, it is a minority.  The largest minority, to be sure, but a minority all the same. -- AJR | Talk 23:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population question 

message: Going by the quoted figures, this line should read 'White people of British decent are in an ethnic minority'. The original line without the 'decent' qualifier is just untrue.
I'm changing the paragraph - if anyone changes it back please can they explain here why I'm wrong. The population figures and categories were too inexact anyway, and the citation given was incorrectly made and a dead link too. (Note that Haringey council's own figures are slightly out - but only fractionally, so all the figures won't quite add up to 100%!). I'm assuming the figures about age and house-owning were broadly correct - so I've left them for now.
So my main reason for revision is that the other "third of white people" (20.3% of Haringey) are surely "White British people" too (or will be in the vast majority, for the sake of argument). Also, saying that "White British people" are "just 45%" has an unpleasant overtone for me. Simply put, around 65.7% of Haringey citizens are white and British first and foremost - and other details such as their heritage, Britishness or legality should be addressed at a later juncture, and only if relevant.
To try and avoid future conflict here, I've improved the accuracy of the initial figures and citation, and inserted another paragraph stating the 45.3% figure, briefly explaining that people are for and against ascribing importance to it. Please consider this before removing the paragraph (or look for a good citation for it if you want to help keep it). I have moved the uncited comment on whether the 2001 census underestimated Haringey's population figures to the bottom of here, and made it a more honest comment (merely to save somebody less sensitive from doing it). 
If racism/cultural tension is an issue in Haringey, perhaps the contentious issues above could be included instead under another sub-heading dealing with that? In my wiki experience they won't go away, so are best dealt with rather than simply removed/reverted/removed etc!
ALSO NOTE - the Haringey article is currently labelled: "To comply with Wikipedia's quality standards, this article may need to be rewritten." - so it needs some more good contributions! --Matt Lewis 06:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "White British people are in an ethnic minority" !? 

message: It might be a good idea to move Demographics downwards. Perhaps to after Political Composition?
The opening paragraph actually contains the same statistics that are clearly visible in the Infobox on the right!
It would be a friendlier article if it began with the History too... --Matt Lewis 07:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move Demographics downwards? 

message: A question as to whether this section has a place here. Many of the pages for the local areas in Haringey already have extensive lists. So this one just has a few that haven't made it on to those pages. If all the notable locals were put on, this list wd be huge. Might it not be better to refer people to local areas? In the meantime I've reformatted it a la Crouch End. If there are already Wikipedia articles for people, readers can find out who they are by clicking the link. Where there are no pages, I've moved the explanation to the footnotes. hjuk 18:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are far too many famous residents to put in this article. All people whose area of residence is known have been moved to the relvant area of Haringey page. All pages for the famous people have been tagged with a people from X tag and can be accessed via the see also category link in the article. The remaining people have been fact tagged pending addition of their area of residence. PLease add it as a note if you know it. hjuk (talk) 00:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Residents

message: I'm going to remove a couple from this section; the Millfield Theatre is actually in LB Enfield and the Red Rose Club is in Islington.BTLizard (talk) 13:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then they should probably be removed. It's probably not helpful to qualify them in the article, in a discursive style. Kbthompson (talk) 16:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture links 

message: Many readers would have been surprised, as I was, to find this article contained until a few days ago ago, absolutely no references to the cases of Victoria Climbie and "Baby P".
The fact that controversial issues are covered in British tabloids does not render them un-encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not censored, and can be a valuable source of facts as opposed to rumour. A feature of the Climbie and Baby Peter cases is that Haringey failed, or refused to perceive its failure and that only national, Parliamentary and Ministerial criticism seems to have awakened the local authority to that.  
It was also surprising that the page has been semi-protected against vandalism, even though there seems to have been ony one instance of this. WP rules state that protection should not be used against a perceived threat; only after a pattern of vandalism is evident, and I propose that the protection is removed until it is clearly needed, enabling non-registered editors to add information.
Hope this is helpful.--Straw Cat (talk) 11:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do note that this article is about the Borough, not the council. Haringey Council redirects here but the focus of the article is the Borough. I think it would be worth starting a new section on Haringey Council (I guess I'll start it based on what's already in the lead) which can then be expanded and possibly split off into it's own article if there is enough material to warrant it. GDallimore (Talk) 16:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't need a new section, after all. I'd just misread the current section breaks. I've combined separate sections into one politics section based on City of Westminster, which looked to be a pretty good model. GDallimore (Talk) 17:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi there, the article was semi-protected for one month as it seemed likely that people would use it to express their unconsidered anger. That's not what wikipedia is for. As the full report is now available, the opportunity should be given to allow the article to be improved, based on evidence - so, I'll unprotect it. HTH Kbthompson (talk) 13:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: With the resignation of George Meehan, the infobox is wrong. I cannot find who is his replacement. Any ideas? cheers Kbthompson (talk) 14:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Baby P

message: Did not Ali Demirci cross the floor at the same time as Catherine Harris? (Much as I would hate to rub salt etc etc...) BTLizard (talk) 10:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ali Demirci 

message: I have removed, for now, Yehudi Menuhin and Sting from the notable residents list. If you want to replace either, please provide a good reference which demonstrates that they did live in this borough. My concern is that they may only have been listed here because they lived in Highgate village and someone has wrongly extrapolated from that to take it as Haringey. In fact, they lived in the same house (not at the same time!) in The Grove, but that house is most definitely in Camden not Haringey. So if they are to go back in, it must be because they lived somewhere else (er - I mean two somewhere elses, I guess!) that really was/were in this borough. All comments and clarification gratefully read. Thanks and best wishes, DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 08:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. Our own article makes it clear that Coleridge lived in The Grove (same or neighbouring house I wonder?). I don't know about George Michael or Priestley but I agree with taking them out if you know they are wrong: anyone wanting them back in would only have to cite the evidence! :) This is clearly a problem that will be constant for this article given Highgate's nature and its boundaries ... DBaK (talk) 07:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable residents - [[Yehudi Menuhin]], [[Sting (musician)|Sting]],  

message: I can't figure it out from the map. It looks like it could be in Camden too but it's hard to see precisely where the border runs. I'm taking no action (other than writing this message) as I am really unsure - does anyone have anything clear on this? Thanks and best wishes DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 09:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops answered my own question: please see this where it says "The boundary problem continued as the names changed, most recently with Camden and Haringey sharing the building. In 1993 the border was moved a few feet to allow one licensing authority overall control and The Gatehouse is now the last pub (going North) in Camden." I'm moving it - hope this is OK< if not please discuss. Thanks and best wishes DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 09:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Gatehouse really in Haringey? (No, it's in Camden) 

message: The article contains this: "The borough is very ethnically diverse. It has extreme contrasts:[4] areas in the west, such as Highgate, Muswell Hill and Crouch End are among the most prosperous in the country; in the east of the borough, some wards are classified as being among the most deprived 10% in the country.[5]". Very true. It's known in the borough that this sets up some interesting tensions, for example in spending priorities etc. It's also known, I think, to quite a few that some Council people - officers or elected, I don't know - have been known unofficially to refer to the population of those richer Western parts as the "White Highlanders". Obviously this is not a wildly affectionate description (see the linked article) and is unlikely to do anyone's career much good if they're caught using it. But it does, I think, say something interesting about the borough and its people and council. Trouble is, I think it's probably pretty much 100% unciteable, and should therefore stay out, especially since it's contentious and only has my or your word for it. I did find one possible reference to it online (Google for '"white highlanders" Haringey') but that leads to a paid-for service. Any bright ideas? Please note, to repeat - I am entirely clear that this cannot be used without good references: I am emphatically not repeat not advocating just whacking it in to see what happens! Without a really good ref it's nowhere, and rightly so. Cheers, DBaK (talk) 07:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  White Highlanders - interesting but unusable? 

message: Re: section 3.2 - Wards
The Ward Profile Pages have all been removed from the Haringey Council website and replaced by PDFs which can be founf on the main www.haringey.gov.uk/wardprofiles page (need to amend the text accordingly, update link 23 to www.haringey.gov.uk/wardprofiles and remove links 24-42). 
Thanks
Haringeywebcomms (talk) 10:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Haringeywebcomms, 19 April 2010 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I initially misunderstood the purpose of the spelling added. However, even though I now understand, it's still not clear to the everyday reader without looking at the link. Making this edit only adds to the already widespread confusion about the difference between Haringey and Harringay. Given the value this edit adds compared to the everyday real-life issue with the confusion between the two differently spelt entities, in my view this change is unhelpful and helps further the confusion. Therefore I'd suggest that it is abandoned. HughJLF (talk) 14:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What about now? Mr KEBAB (talk) 16:00, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, it's better. Let's leave it and see how it goes. It's grand on the Harringay article because it doesn't confuse anything.HughJLF (talk) 16:06, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation / Respelling 

message: Full disclosure - writing from Haringey Council offices to request changes to inaccurate information.
The current council logo shown on the page is out of date - can this be changed?
Also, the mayor's name is incorrectly given as Cllr Gina Adamou. It's now Cllr Sheila Peacock https://www.haringey.gov.uk/local-democracy/councillors-and-mps/mayors-page
:I've done so—thanks for letting us know. ‑ Iridescent 16:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for pointing this out. I'm going to remove that sentence because it does not have a citation and doesn't particularly add any additional value to the article. Hereward.Mills (talk) 21:23, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested edit