Talk:Hoatzin

message: Is it okay to link the word rufous to the definition in Wiktionary?
That word kind of stumped me when reading this  article.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rufous
It may be a common word, though my vocabulary isn't horrible. 
But i am not a biologist and may not have been exposed to it because of that.
(Just the tiniest suggestion.)
Thank you,
Mark  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.170.4.146 (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you call something unique if others have a similar property?  How about unusual? 209.183.190.169 12:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically it is not "cud," as cud comes from the stomach, but the hoatzin brings it back up from the crop. This is not the same as crop secretions (think "pigeon milk")--only feeding a chick crop secretions would be like feeding your child enzymes without the food the enzymes are meant to process. 71.217.114.221 03:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pigeon milk is actually specialized cells from the crop lining. Flamingo milk is much the same, but not just from the crop (I think). Penguins seem to do something similar, and they are neither in the proposed "Metaves" nor related to any of the groups put therein. The Hoatzin seems to feed its young on true regurgiations. So what we have here is, again, another homoplasy (if I'd have reason the Metaves had - at present - any merit, I'd suggest renaming them "Convergaves"... convergent traits so thick that you can't touch them without hitting one ;-P no, I wouldn't do that of course. Inventing junior synonyms lacks style.) Dysmorodrepanis 01:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: "While the hypothesis of their relationship is based on DNA, it is notable that these birds share some obscure anatomical features, e.g., the notarium - a fused series of thoracic vertebrae." - I have removed this sentence from the Metaves discussion, because I can't seem to find a source (searched notarium metaves and notarium hoatzin flamingo on Google). It seems not all to implausibe though and would somewhat strengthen the case for the Metaves being if not a clade then composed of clades and not dominated by homoplasies. So if a source is available, please add. Dysmorodrepanis 11:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Out Goes The Notarium. See here - either plesiomorphy or homoplasy, making the sheer presence of a notarium entirely worthless for a phylogenetic consideration. (It might be tempting to look at how precisely the fusion is achieved, but I wouldn't think that anyone had looked at that.) Dysmorodrepanis 01:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notarium?

message: Could someone mention please that the chicks of the Hoatzin share the same two fingers winged form as the prehistoric bird and that this suggests some sort of evolutionary link.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk • contribs) 10:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The "evolutionary link" is that they're both birds. Clawed hands are not unique to hoatzins at all, everything from chicken to ostriches have vestigial claws on their wings, they're just hidden by feathers. Hoatzins are just some of the few birds that use them for a purpose. FunkMonk (talk) 14:41, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archaeopteryx 

message: Nominated May 20 2008;
Support:
# Sabine's Sunbird  talk 21:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Hoatzin]] (5 votes) June-July 2008

message: I'm moving the description section above the taxonomy description. It makes good sense in an encyclopedic article to describe the thing itself before moving into a detailed debate about one aspect of it. -Fenevad (talk) 12:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm..that's one way of looking at it and it is good of you to be bold that's true. However just about all substantial bird articles established an order of subheadings with taxonomy first. The lead should be a summary of the article's salient points so there will be some mention there. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving the description 

message: Did anyone noticed a resemblance to the mythological bird known as Phoenix? I think it should be noticed!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.7.107.177 (talk) 04:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phoenix 

message: An IP editor added this comment, replacing a paragraph in the taxonomy section:
:Molecular studies, backed by anotomical and palaeontological evidence, strongly suggest that the Hoatzin belongs to the family Musophagidae. An experienced Wikipedia editor may perhaps wish to add a reference to a paper entitled "Phylogenetic relationships of the enigmatic hoatzin (Opisthocomus hoazin) resolved using mitochondrial and nuclear gene sequences", authored by JM Hughes and AJ Baker here.
Anyone want to look into this and update the article? —innotata 22:31, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Systematics 

message: Does anyone know if the 'h' is pronounced or silent? I'd assume it's pronounced since hoatzin comes from a native language rather than Portuguese, Spanish, or French, but wiktionary doesn't have any more information than that.
I'd think specifying pronunciation would be helpful for this article since the bird's range is in countries where Romance languages (with a silent 'h') predominate. 143.85.199.242 (talk) 15:19, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: That this bird has claws on its wings as a juvenile is to me endlessly fascinating. How could it "lose" them as it grows? Do they fall off? Is the wing different in any other way to modern birds? I'd like to see some X-rays of the part of the wing containing the claws, as a juvenile and an adult.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.125.28 (talk) 09:45, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happens to the claws? 

message: I came across this in the New Yorker, which may be useful.
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 Peaceray (talk) 15:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article in the New Yorker