Talk:Hallmark Cards

message: This article should be merged into Hallmark Cards because American Greetings appears to be a Public Subsidiary of Hallmark Cards. Let's talk about it. Miracleimpulse 05:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough.  However, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and your theory about a massive conspiracy between Hallmark Cards and American Greetings is a rather extraordinary claim. --Transfinite 18:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *The proof is in the cards: millions upon millions of Sweetest Day cards with nearly identical highly deceptive statements printed right on the back of every card. American Greetings was founded in 1906, Hallmark in 1910. Both were there for the first Sweetest Days which started in 1921. What's going on is obviously co-ordinated intentional deception in order to sell products. Miracleimpulse 22:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: A clarification:  The merge discussion above was originally posted on Talk:Hallmark. Miracleimpulse moved it over here.  --Transfinite 22:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm still waiting for any proof, whatsoever, of this conspiracy theory of yours. --Transfinite 05:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Let's start with: Over the past several years, Hallmark and American Greetings have issued hundreds of millions of Sweetest Day cards with nearly identical Sweetest Day verisimilitudes printed right on the reverse side of each card. Their websites also sock puppet the same verisimilitudes about Sweetest Day. Miracleimpulse 12:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *That's not proof of anything.  Find a WP:RS that shows they have the same owner.  Then we'd have something to talk about.--Isotope23 12:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Not proof of anything. Only that they are working in a co-operative manner to fashion the holidays America celebrates, and making big money in the process. Did you know that the former president of Hallmark Brands USA is now president of American Greetings' Carlton Cards? Miracleimpulse 13:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *...so the guy took another job.  Again, for these to be merged there would need to be demonstrable proof that the two companies had effectively the same company due to a corporate merger, etc.  Unless you have some reliable source evidence of that there is nothing more to discuss and this tag is an exercise in WP:POINT.--Isotope23 14:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * The point being that Wikipedia is being used by industry for purposes of mass deception. It has already happened on the Sweetest day page, and it is happening here too. Did you know that the founding president of The Hallmark Channel is now director of The Hatchery, American Greetings' version of The Hallmark Channel? I guess she got a new job too. Or did she? Miracleimpulse 14:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *...and this supports your merge reasoning "This article should be merged into Hallmark Cards because American Greetings appears to be a Public Subsidiary of Hallmark Cards..." how?  You have yet to produce any evidence at all.--Isotope23 15:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *The evidence is everywhere Isotope. Co-creation of fake holidays. Interchangeable presidents. Is your paycheck blocking your ability to see these things? Miracleimpulse 15:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *And you top it all off with yet another assumption of bad faith bordering on a personal attack...with no evidence.  If you can't differentiate between reliably sourced evidence and conspiracycruft, we have nothing more to discuss.--Isotope23 15:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: *Why don't we put this matter up for arbitration and let others figure out the motivations for your edits both here and on the Sweetest Day page. After all, it is in the best interests of Wikipedia to determine whether or not industry is using Wikipedia for profit. Miracleimpulse 15:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *If you want to log an arbcom case against me, by all means do so.--Isotope23 15:52, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: As per discussion on Talk:American Greetings, this suggestion and so-called issue are nonsense. See there for further information. Newyorkbrad 18:47, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: *The article doesn't mention any of Hallmark Card's licensing agreements.  When you are making such a brash claim, you need to have evidence.  All I've seen so far is speculation.  Unless you find a source that directly claims that Hallmark and American Greetings are involved in some sort of grand conspiracy, then there is nothing to talk about. I'm tired of this "Don't you see!  Make the connection!" stuff.  Wikipedia is not the place to "Make the connection."  I find two companies engaged in fierce competition a much more likely theory than a large conspiracy. I think Occam's razor applies.  --Transfinite 04:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

text: *What are your sources on this information? I'd like to look into this myself.  --Transfinite 22:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

text: See Talk:American Greetings, and now there's a thread on WP:ANI. Newyorkbrad 06:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I removed hallmarkgreetz.com from the article because I'm not sure it is a legit part of Hallmark.
# The whois records are different.  versus 
#I can't find a link to hallmarkgreetz.com on hallmark.com
#Adding the link is Hnoom's first and only edit.
If I'm wrong, I aplogize, but better safe than sorry. --Transfinite 19:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hallmarkgreetz.com 

message: I don't know about other places, but in North Carolina, Hallmark stores have different names. They're like, Jackie's Hallmark, Debbie's Hallmark, Daphne's Hallmark, and Andy's Hallmark. The first one is in at least Laurinburg, the second and third are in Raleigh and the last one was in Asheville, last I checked. --Jnelson09 20:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are probably franchises.  I don't know much about the company, but I think they have corporate owned stores as well as franchise stores that may have the owner's names in them.--Isotope23 20:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: Hallmark owns:
* Hallmark Channel: a television network
* Binney & Smith (now Crayola, LLC): makers of Crayola-brand crayons
* Rainbow Brite: a franchise of children's dolls
* Hallmark Cards: a chain of independently-owned card and gift stores in the United States and Canada
* Hallmark Business Expressions (HBE): Formed in 1996, Hallmark Business Expressions is a business-to-business subsidiary of Hallmark Cards, Inc. and is headquartered in Kansas City, MO.  Morningstarcomm (talk) 19:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Subsidiaries

message: Someone replace reference #6 with an up-to-date link. Bulldog73 (talk) 01:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ref. #6 dead link

message: Probably the Hallmark Business Connections should just be deleted?  The Business Connection has no content and it seems that people are against merging information to this page.  Although the founder of Hallmark links to this page.  So I would think that the page Hallmark Cards represents the business and not some other concepts.  If this is not correct, then we need a disassociate page, because it is definitely conceptually mixed up; the intro IS about the company. 216.94.244.179 (talk) 19:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging Business Connections

message: Next to founded, it should give a location, no? Simon How can I help? 13:53, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founded 

message: Hi,
Hallmark also serves the UK and has stores (although waning in number).
I don't know how to verify this officially but maybe someone will want to investigate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by VariableDeclared (talk • contribs) 09:49, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hallmark UK 

message: Is Maxine not popular enough for an article? Sure seems odd that there's hardly any mention at all on Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.118.213 (talk) 05:09, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  No [[Maxine (Hallmark)|Maxine]] Article? 

message: An article that you have been involved in editing—Hallmark Cards—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. 188.246.71.145 (talk) 23:51, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger discussion for [[Hallmark Cards]]

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message: The entire first paragraph under "History" seems like it could have been lifted from a company brochure. Every sentence could use a citation, and it should undergo a rewrite to make it more wiki-sounding and less like an inspiring tale from a restaurant sugar packet.
I was going to add a citation template, but wiki rules page said templates can be contentious--thus a discussion on the Talk page should ensue first.  Wiki also says "break all rules", too. So I'm at a loss about what to do and am posting here first out of an abundance of caution.
Since I doubt Hallmark is high on anyone's list of priorities, why do I have the sinking feeling I'll be the one to put up a Citation template when no one responds to this discussion? Come on people, PROVE ME WRONG! Say something, already. Thanks, and cheers to everyone for helping improve entries. Kinkyturnip (talk) 07:12, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Since sourcing is more important than noting the lack thereof, and it wasn't hard to find, I replaced that first paragraph with sourced content. —ADavidB 09:08, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entire paragraph needs citations 

message: What year was Hallmark founded?
The year Hallmark is founded is written as 1910 in the second sentence of this page but in the History section it shows the Hall brothers started Norfolk Post Card Company in 1907, bought out another business in 1908 and renamed to "Hall Brothers", and the business didn't become "Hallmark" until 1928. The only time 1910 is mentioned in the history section is in regards to a move to KC that year. Why is that the year listed as the founding? It would make sense to me to use either 1907 as the founding of the company that would become Hallmark, or 1928 when it was officially named.
Which is it?
PS. I have rarely posted to a thread before so please forgive me if this is the wrong place for or way to ask this question 2601:441:4C80:5860:11F3:9142:A0B2:379F (talk) 21:56, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Checked through the source for 1910 as the start year and its from a random about.com article with no credible sources. Not sure how to propose an edit but will try now, sorry for redundant messages it is my first time proposing an edit. 2601:441:4C80:5860:11F3:9142:A0B2:379F (talk) 22:01, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding Year Clarification