Talk:Joseph Beuys

message: I just came across a change by User:Armando Navarro who added Anti-art as a See-also link to the article. In that article the text relevant to Beuys (and lifted from here) is:
:Indebted to Romantic writers such as Novalis and Schiller, Joseph Beuys was motivated by a utopian belief in the power of universal human creativity and was confident in the potential for art to bring about revolutionary change. This translated into Beuys’s formulation of the concept of Social Sculpture, in which society as a whole was to be regarded as one great work of art (the Wagnerian Gesamtkunstwerk) to which each person can contribute creatively (perhaps Beuys’s most famous phrase, borrowed from Novalis, is ‘Everyone is an artist’).
IMO this reflects Beuys' position correctly but it contradicts the claim of the article: he is an artist, not an anti-artist; he stands for an expansion of the concept of "art", not for taking up an opposing position (opposed to what exactly  would be the question here). I think this link is quite misleading and to present Beuys as an anti-artist doesn't seem viable. Nor can I see how this text would support the anti-art article in the first place. Or am I completely off the mark here? (I haven't had time yet to look at the sources for Anti-art.) Thoughts? Enki H. (talk) 02:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please keep this discussion on the Talk:Anti-art talk page. I have explained there why this should not be considered a Beuys topic. Thank you Enki H. (talk) 06:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Beuys and Anti-Art ?

message: *RoseLee Goldberg. “Performance: live art, 1909 to the present”. H. N. Abrams, 1979, p. 96 : “Beuys's polemical art and anti-art attitudes soon began to disturb the authorities; considered a disruptive element within the institution, he was always up against considerable opposition there and was finally, in 1972, dismissed amidst violent student protest.”
*Moira Weigel. “Grand illusion”. The Guardian, 25 April 2009. “Nor could he [Gerhard Richter] embrace the anti-art ideals of Beuys and the Fluxus group, which were deeply hostile to his form of studio practice.”
*Michael Kimmelman. “Exploring A Labyrinth Of Ambiguities”. The New York Times, February 19, 1993. “Nonetheless, many of these early works are peculiarly exquisite. Beuys reveals in them a formal sensibility, a feel for the poetry of materials and a delicacy of touch that belie his anti-art posture.”
*Richard Kearney. “The Wake of Imagination”. Routledge, 1998, p. 254 : “Marcel Duchamp announces the end of humanist art as an expression of the creative imagination: art becomes an anti-art which ironically mimics the dehumanizing tendencies of our mechanistic age. The works of Lichtenstein, Beuys, Ben Vautier, Ballagh and Warhol confirm this conviction.”
Armando Navarro (talk) 18:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please keep this discussion on the Talk:Anti-art talk page. I have explained there why this should not be considered a Beuys topic. Thank you Enki H. (talk) 06:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: References that support Beuys' association with anti-art 

message: The German version is a Featured Article. Based on this, I am beginning a rewrite in place.
* As I get on with this, I'll add the section headings as subheading here. That would also provide a logical place for discussion. Enki H. (talk) 03:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Translating from the FA on :de: (in progress)

message: First draft of translation done. Added a stub for Social sculpture to :en: Enki H. (talk) 04:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: Restructured section headings as below. I think :de: is a little over the top in terms of detail. Will try to condense a bit as I go along and focus on that what is significant context for his work. There is an implication to this restructuring: biography and body of work will end up in separate sections, not interwoven as they are now. Enki H. (talk) 15:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Biography

message: First draft completed. Enki H. (talk) 17:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Childhood and early life in the Third Reich (1921-1941) 

message: Done. Enki H. (talk) 17:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WW II (1941-1945) 

message: In progress. Enki H. (talk) 14:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Studies and beginnings (1945-1960) 

message: I would rather merge that contents into appropriate sections, so as not to break the chronological flow. Enki H. (talk) 15:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Documenta and commercial success'' 

message: Cat and Girl have their own page on Wikipedia, and is a webcomic with a fairly big following. Is it worth mentioning in the article the role Zombie Josheph Bueys plays in the comic? 72.191.111.95 (talk) 03:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't forget Cat and Girl

message: There were some plans by Beuys to collaborate with the 14th Dalai Lama and met with him personally. These information are not included at all in the article. There is quite some literature about it but the knowledge within a broader public got almost lost. It might be good to include some information in the article. I added a link at the very end that informs about the background and aims, and that has also some further reading recommendations: http://info-buddhism.com/dalai_lama_art_louwrien_wijers.html ––87.185.175.238 (talk) 15:59, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Beuys and Dalai Lama

message: "apparent eyewitnesses" are not considered credible sources on Wikipedia, and sections using much much more credible  sources are often removed on other Wikipedia pages. This whole attempt to smear Beuys based by lynch mob rumor mentality in the art critic circles should be removed. All credibly sources  say that he was shot down, and was treated by locals. And the use of fat and butter as a healing agent was common practice. There are no credible sources that disprove Beuys' story, and this was just a smear attempt by jealous small minded art critiques and people who have never been anywhere or done anything, and  who can't accept that tribal people knew how to heal themselves of many ailments and accidents.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.50.134 (talk) 13:52, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "apparent eyewitnesses" 

message: At least one of the references - 'Beuys (1975)' at n. 21 - doesn't refer anywhere. There's nothing matching in the German wiki either. I wonder how pervasive this gap is. Ought there not be a bibliography in this article? 92.18.10.139 (talk) 23:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

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