Talk:Spore (2008 video game)/Archive 5

message: E.V.O.: Search for Eden is a fantasy game in which you start out as a primitive life form and then evolve into a human so that you can enter the Garden of Eden. I think it should be mentioned in the article for its similarity to Spore. --Safe-Keeper 23:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a video from the game. It looks very, very, very similar. --Safe-Keeper 00:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

text: EVO had more in common with Street Fighter than Spore. Any similarity is far too tenuous to warrant comparison. --Monotonehell 03:46, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: EVO was all about creature evolution.  It's not like there's any of that in Spore! MDWilder 20:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: EVO: Search for Eden

message: according to GAMEINFORMER issue 171 (and i quote) 'Electronic Arts' CEO John Riccitiello claims that spore may have been delayed INDEFINITELY'
is this true or did gameinformer just hear wrong????? --Wolfdog1dmn 02:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read all the other comments on this page about Spore being delayed indefinitely and say whether this is the same information or not. --Samtheboy (t/c) 16:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: what other comments about spore being delayed i read through before i posted this section and saw none then i read after you posted that and i still see none --Wolfdog1dmn 05:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at Archive 4 --Samtheboy (t/c) 07:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Also keep in mind it's spelled "release". JAF1970 01:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: EB Games is also a retailer, who will bullshit release dates to encourage pre-orders.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeap, EB Games almost always gets release dates incorrect when they are this far out.  --Yamla 22:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:RS.  --Yamla 21:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  edit to spore release date 

message: Removed the list form of the Space Phase to a more focused, coherent regular paragraph-style section. JAF1970 01:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Space phase fixed

message: Please notice that these are SOURCED with RELEVENT articles from NEWS SOURCES. Do not remove entire sections out of hand because you think they're extrapolation. In fact, look up the word. When you SEE flying creatures in the videos - that's NOT AN EXTRAPOLATION. That's ACTUAL EVIDENCE. 
ESPECIALLY swimming, since THERE WAS AN UNDERWATER PHASE DEVOTED TO IT. There's a ton of discussion over the fate of the underwater and swimming phase IN THE PRESS.
Furthermore, there have been notes from Wright on this subject as well.
Before you make a decision, please check the links to the references. They're there for a reason. JAF1970 04:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Locomotion entries are NOT extrapolations

message: Just recieved an Email from Amazon.com that Spore is now available for Pre-order. And will be released March 3, 2008.
ource: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FKBCX4/ref=s9_asin_image_1/102-7936290-0959344?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=0ZQ7M4HDYMEYWKJ08MQK&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=278240801&pf_rd_i=507846
--198.254.16.200 14:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Amazon and all other online shopping outlets go on guesses until the date is confirmed, therefore it's not being added until it has been confirmed by a reliable source. --Samtheboy (t/c) 17:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: Okay, I've moved a great deal of development and technical items into a new article: Development of Spore. I figure that the Spore (video game) article should pertain only to the game and gameplay itself, while all of the development and technical aspects behind it should get its own article. Think of the Development of Spore the "Behind the Scenes"/"Making of Spore" article. That way, the Spore article shrinks, but nothing is lost because it's a part of a new article. JAF1970 21:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS. I did nothing with release or platforms, because those will all but disappear when the game is actually released. I did copy the Soren Johnson stuff to Development of Spore, tho. JAF1970 21:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Major edit

message: Once more - store release dates, ie. Amazon, GameStop, Best Buy, etc, etc. THOSE ARE NOT ANNOUNCED RELEASE DATES. Those are guesstimate release date placeholders. Only EA can officially announce a release date. Not even Maxis can. JAF1970 14:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Release dates, part 46

message: This is no official box art for Spore yet. Period. JAF1970 05:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Box Art, part 52

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BetacommandBot 04:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! Mrmoocow 06:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:SPORE.EA.jpg

message: This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write.  This is how the article, as of July 21, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: in depth without being too meticulous, pass.
:2. Factually accurate?: most statements are sourced, however the references should all be in proper format, especially web links: see  for full docs; if you want to see what properly formatted refs look like, take a gander at Iridion 3D.
:3. Broad in coverage?: pass.
:4. Neutral point of view?: pass.
:5. Article stability? this is the crux here. It's an unreleased video game, so how can it be stable since the content could very well change with one announcement from the developer? I suppose if all the other issues were addressed, I could give it GA class, however it would require a review once the video game came out.
:6. Images?: all need additional fair use rationale. See the pictures in Halo 2 for an example.
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved.  After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again.  If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice.  Thank you for your work so far. 
— David Fuchs (talk) 15:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dave, I'll try to unify the reference link style this coming week. JAF1970 08:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made the references all use . Sdornan 14:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to say - you beat me to it. :p Though... not comletely. Still have URLs instead of article titles in a few of them. JAF1970 14:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Fixed a bunch more references and added details. The pictures just need fair-use rationale now. I did one here, so use that as a template with :Template:Non-free media rationale. Sdornan 17:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mean to interrupt, but I still think that several sections heavily lack references. I'm just saying because I know that most articles that achieve GA with this problem end up ar GA/R, and by then everyone has moved on to something else, or is too discouraged to come back and fix it. --SidiLemine 18:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The game isn't even out yet. By the time it is, the page will be completely different anyway. Sdornan 19:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added rationales for a bunch of pics. JAF1970 22:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the information is gathered from the video clips from E3, et. al. Not sure how you'd source those if that's the case. Dansiman 03:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article nomination on hold

message: I condensed the Space phrase - and frankly I can't see how the article could be condensed without omitting relevent information at this point. Spore is a big game in terms of scope. From a gameplay and a technical standpoint. JAF1970 20:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Condensation

message: Okay, added a bunch of content based on the 2007 TED conference video. JAF1970 08:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: TED 2007 stuff

message: Updated some old screenshots with new versions. JAF1970 17:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job. Where did you get them? Some video? Care to share a link?--Viridistalk|contributions 03:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My pics have their sources listed. JAF1970 21:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Updating screenshots

message: Burrowing is the main mode of transportation for over half the land animal population. It's absence is enough to be notable. JAF1970 18:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I understand the above comment. If the implication is that it should be mentioned that burrowing might not be something included in the game, that isn't a "notable" fact unless you can show that it's been discussed by some reliable outside published source.  There's lots of things that AREN'T in the game, after all, and there's nothing in the game that implies it's supposed to be a realistic real world evolution or biological simulation.  So I would recommend not bothering include a mention of a lack of burrowing in the article. Dugwiki 18:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Train Simulator - it was noted there were no passengers visible. Same diff. JAF1970 21:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find the "train simulator" quote you're talking about.  Even if I could, though, I still don't see how a train simultation article making a mention of no visible passengers has anything to do with this article.  Dugwiki 23:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That comment is basically saying if we included all the things that aren't in there then every article would be billions of pages long... It's like saying in a song article, "This song doesn't use a B note at all" or in someone's biography saying, "It's interesting to note that this person's name doesn't have the letters a,b,e,l and m in it"  Basically, having information that is NOT included is superficial and pointless. --Samtheboy (t/c) 08:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, no. That's not a parallel. It's more like having a horse racing game with no betting, for example. JAF1970 01:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It still needs to be discussed whether it should be included or not. It's now been discussed. JAF1970 20:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would probably be difficult to tell the difference in this game between vertebrate and invertebrate since the creatures are actually just basically animated models.  It seems to me that simply by changing the skin texture on a creature from "fleshy" to "chitin" you end up turning a model that looks like an invertebrate creature with an internal skeleton into a model that looks like an insect with an external skeleton. Also, just a technical point, the game does clearly have some invertebrates because all the creatures in the cellular stage would be in that category. Dugwiki 15:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Burrowing

message: As I am new to the editing of Wikipedia, I am sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but:
There has been released new Spore-related information in a student-run conference: SIGGRAPH. Maxis was present and I believe there are some relevant "news" that can update the paragraph that mentions that conference.
I provide links to the videos in google with four sketches from the conference:
Creating Spherical Worlds:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2665884846240541669&hl=en
Player Driven Textures:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2330201030389333354&hl=en
Fast Object Distribution:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6932469206805009461&hl=en
Player Deformable Objects:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8791258027656488911&hl=en
And to the original source as well:
https://encore.siggraph.org/online/Siggraph/default.asp?selectedYearId=2007&selectedSessionTypeId=3&selectedTrackId=47&selectedPresentationId=221&selectedPresentationCode=SKT081#
Thank You! Lady Astor: "If I were your wife, I'd put poison in your coffee." Winston Churchill, "Nancy, if I were your husband, I would drink it." 16:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New information from SIGGRAPH 2007 conference. 

message: Anyone know if there has been any new footages or presentations at Leipzig? I've been coming here everyday to see if there has, but nothing new has appeared. I thought Spore was featured though. Did I make a mistake? Pluvia 21:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games Convention 

message: Buechner specifically said three versions have been officially announced: PC, DS, mobile phones. That moldy PSP news is from E3 2006. That was pure speculation, and EA since squashed that. There are articles about Spore being for the Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, Xbox 1, etc. Notice that Wright says he WANTS to make additional versions, but those are not being developed yet. JAF1970 15:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No PSP version has been officially announced

message: I can't make an edit for some reason, but there is an invalid word in this article. "Pacifically" sounds like some young kid trying to say "specifically". The word you're looking for is "pacifistically", or perhaps just "in a pacifistic manner". 206.45.125.208 14:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pacifically is a real word meaning what it means here. --Samtheboy (t/c) 18:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That word is fairly archiac. JAF1970 05:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pacifically