Talk:List of Harry Potter translations

message: I've removed the sentence:
Suprisingly, the pirate Czech translation of the Order of Phoenix quickly became extemely popular, and was actually used as the official translation.
I'd like to see a reference for this. While I don't actually know it to be false, I have been in correspondence with one of the Medek brothers, and to the best of my knowledge they were not replaced by other translators, nor were their translations ever "pirate' translations. --Woggly 10:23, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Czech Pirate translation

message: Why not list the Title in each language as well? This would not be frivolous at all in my opinion, especially if you were trying to find a copy of that book. But giving the author's name in that language might be perhaps (i.e. the Chinese). By the way, for anyone who thinks this list is silly, look at it this way; - I've seen maybe one Harry Potter movie, but never read one of the books in the series (even though my parents were teachers and have the whole series). However; I was thinking about reading (or trying to read!) something relatively familiar at an intermediate level in Hindi or Urdu, languages I'm learning. In that sense, knowing that the "Philosopher's Stone" is translated as "Pāras Patthar" (पारस पत्थर) in Hindi, or the Prisoner of Azkaban is "Azkabān ka Qaidi" (ازكبان كا قيدى) in Urdu is crucial information, and not "pet-project" material. And by that token, perhaps there is a nuance to Chinese I am ignorant of and it is necessary to write the name in Chinese. In my experience with other languages though, names are the one and only constant. It is fairly obvious to me that Sudhir Dixit is सुधिर दीक्षित without having to write it in Hindi, though I might be mistaken on the length of a vowel or two. In other words, transliterate all author's names into their respective foreign scripts, or don't do it at all, doesn't really matter to me though - just thought I'd add my observation. Khiradtalk 07:29, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Languages

message: :Zulu; though some sources refer to translations "from Arabic to Zulu", the books in fact have never officially been translated into Zulu.
Why is this listed if it has not been shown to exist?  This is contradictory.  --Dforest 12:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zulu 

message: Why is this line in the article?
: English: Australia, Allen & Unwin Pty Ltd (Distributor); Canada, Bloomsbury/Raincoast; South Africa, Jonathan Ball Publishers (Distributors); USA: Scholastic
This is a list of translations, and as far as I know, for the Australian, Canadian and South-African editions nothing has been translated. They're just regional editions of the same book. MrTroy 23:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct of course, technically, but I like the list the way it is. It's the most complete list of Harry Potter publishers available anywhere. One could start another article about "Harry Potter publishers" in order to preserve that; personally, I'd rather have these superfluous publishers listed here than create yet another almost identical list on a separate article. I don't see what harm can be done by keeping the English language publishers listed here. --woggly 06:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Being an inclusionist I agree with your wish for completeness. However, including the English editions that are not translations may be misleading, because it can lead people to think they are translated. For now, I've included a note that they're not translations to avoid confusion. Furthermore I have removed USA because American English has its own entry in the list. MrTroy 08:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Fine. --woggly 08:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  English? 

message: I notice there is no name listed as the books' American "translator". Is one person responsible or is this decided by committee? Serendipodous 16:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Who "translates" the US editions?

message: Please don't add the title names of the books to this article. This content once existed as a separate article, which was deleted per AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of titles of Harry Potter books in other languages (2nd nomination). The decision was to delete these lists, not to merge them. Please respect that. --woggly 14:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Titles

message: In the Turkish translation of Pensieve, the author notes that it is a portmanteau of "Düsünmek", to think, and "sel" which is not defined. I had a look on a Turkish dictionary and apparently, "sel" means a flood of water. I'll add that info in if no one has any objections. Serendipodous 09:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkish example

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message: Adding a section of translations of names, objects and places might be fun.  ϲнʌɴɗɩєʀ 18:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different name translations 

message: There should be much more material about the "translation" from British English to American English.  And we should be told which version English speakers in other countries are reading.  Canada gets the British version?  There are many hundreds of changes, mostly minor vocabulary translations.  They are listed here and even more thoroughly here.  In addition, that second site also lists minor changes that are being made in the newer editions, to make them more consistent. -69.87.201.47 22:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a section, feel free to edit or expand. --woggly 17:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  American vs. British English 

message: Are the images in this article legal under fair use? I could provide scans of more than 20 different editions of the first Harry Potter book, but I'm not going to go to effort of scanning them if they'll just get deleted. --woggly 10:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Because Bloomsbury publishes for both the UK and Ireland and if the English editions for Australia, South Africa and Canada are listed than Ireland should be too. And if Ireland is listed than the UK should be. Also, I'm assuming that Allan and Unwin publish in New Zealand as well as Australia, yes? Serendipodous 12:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for it, but five minutes later a new pedant will come along and remove it again, scoffing at our ignorance. My personal preference is for an inclusive list that contains comprehensive information about as many as possible different editions worldwide, even if one of them is the original and some of them are not strictly speaking translations, or not authorised translations. (For instance, when and why did someone erase one of the two Farsi editions that had been listed? To the best of my knowledge, there was more than one edition of book one produced in Iran.) However I'm not going to engage in revert scuffles over this.--woggly 08:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any Farsi ref at all on that list, which is odd. Surely at least one should be there. Maybe someone's making a political statement? Serendipodous 08:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I think the UK English edition should be listed

message: Is the publisher of the books for Ukraine really called "A-BA-BA-HA-LA-MA-HA"? --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson 05:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it sounds odd, but yes, it really really is. I own a copy of the first book in Ukrainian. --woggly 06:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is. In Ukrainian it sounds like А-БА-БА-ГА-ЛА-МА-ГА (English translation is just a transcription). --Yarko 10:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publisher 

message: As far as I saw plenty of covers of HP books I can say that Ukraininan version is one of the best. May be it could be presented here? 
Here are a list of covers:
http://www.mo-productions.com/images/potter7.jpg
http://www.mo-productions.com/images/potter6.jpg
http://www.mo-productions.com/images/potter5.jpg
http://www.mo-productions.com/images/potter4.jpg
http://www.mo-productions.com/images/potter3.jpg
http://www.mo-productions.com/images/potter2.jpg
http://www.mo-productions.com/images/potter.jpg
--Yarko 10:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  more covers 

message: To give a clearer idea of the number of languages into which Harry Potter has been translated (and also to stop edit wars over separate translations being considered separate languages). Including "American", there are sixty on the list. If we include the two unofficial translations and the ditched translation into Scots Gaelic, that makes 63. Most media sources however say that Harry Potter has been translated into 65 languages. So either they're wrong or we're missing a few. I'm currently inclined to go either way. Serendipodous 08:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be willing to wager that media sources that quote the number 65 relied on this Wikipedia article, or a mirror or fork of this article. Journalists, like many people, are often lazy, and Wikipedia is a great resource for lazy people. I'm pretty sure the following news article also relied heavily on this Wikipedia article as a source: --woggly 16:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I've just edited the table

message: I'm attempting a proper reorganisation of this article, but it's confusing work, with so many different aspects to address. I still feel strongly that the table should contain unauthorised published translations as well as the authorised translations: basically, anything that can be purchased in a bookstore and set upon a shelf. Otherwise the list does not add much to that which is already available on J.K.Rowling's official website. The idea is to show the variety: how many different languages the books have been translated into; issues of copyright infringement can and are discussed separately. Anyway, I need to take a break now and get on with my real work, but I plan to come back and continue the rewrite. --woggly 08:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bear with me, please

message: Please tell me, apart from nationalism, is there anything separating Sperbian and Croatian? Is Ukrainian a language or is is a dialect of Russian? Is Afrikaans a language or a dialect of Dutch? Are Gallician and Catalan languages or Spanish dialects? Serendipodous 15:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The short answer is that they are all distinct languages, though of course there are similarities. You can enter the Wikipedia articles relating to these languages to read more about them and what distinguishes them from related languages.--woggly 17:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Someone who knows comparative linguistics

message: I've erased Bosnian because I haven't been able to verify independently that such an edition exists. The point of this table is to document different editions: not to document linguistic disputes. For example: it is not our business to decide if Serbian and Croatian are one language or two: for purposes of this list, there are two different editions, with two different publishers, and different translators - hence the separate entries are justified. I don't know what the case is for Bosnian, but I need a reference. If you can show me that a Bosnian publisher hired an additional translator to prepare an independent translation, I'll support adding the Bosnian edition to the list; linking to a sales site from which the names of the publisher and translator are absent is not enough. --woggly (talk) 09:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding new languages (Bosnian) 

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replies: text: Fixed Serendipodous 10:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: Just an observation that although 'Tom the bartender' in the text is linked through to the page on minor characters, there does not seem to any longer be an entry for him. The implication of this article seems to be that there is some significance to tom riddle and he sharing the same first name. Is there some justification for this? Sandpiper (talk) 23:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom the bartender 

message: I would like to improve the section of anagrams in this article, however I speak hungarian and czech very well (and sorry for my bad English)!Pro primo: I think in czech "Já, Lord Voldemort" it means "Me, Lord Voldemort" sooner than "Yes," (like affirmative is "Ja" in German, I think the editor thought this).Pro secundo: the hungarian "Nevem Voldemort" means "My name is Voldemort".I hope this help you. I don´t want change the article (only help to explain some terms), please do it instead of me.Thank you:
--91.127.77.61 (talk) 23:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anagrams 

message: I'm quite astonished that there's no swahili version.Mitch1981 (talk) 19:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Swahili? 

message: Excuse me, but I have the second volume (Dvorana tajni) on my bookshelf, and it is a translation by mother and son Roganović, not by Ana Vukomanović. You can also read in a newspaper that all seven volumes have been translated by the Roganović family:  I know that the Vukomanović translation did exist, but nowadays you can only find the Roganović translations on the book market. Does anyone know what happened? Why were there two Serbian translations of the second volume (and possibly also of the first one)? --Daniel Bunčić (de wiki · talk · en contrib.) 06:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbian translation of volume II 

message: I collected 8 books published in cyrillic by Politika. The first 6 in the collection were numbered 1-6 but the Order of the Phoenix was split into two "books" thence the discrepency with the numbers with volume II of OotP being "book VI" in the collection. 
The 7th & 8th books in this Politika series were the first four books of a Series of Unfortunate Events...84.115.59.242 (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbian Cyrillic 

message: I added a new subsection for rhymes, anagrams, and abbreviations that caused issues with translation. I put in info about the various songs and poems that come up in the series as well as the riddle of the sphinx in Goblet of Fire, which caused particular problems. I also moved the "Tom Riddle" anagramm info to this section. We might also want to add info on the translation of dialects and non-standard English, like Hagrid's Cockney accent or Krum's Bulgarian accent. There's some info on that here: http://www.swedishbookreview.com/old/2002s-gedin.html  This doesn't contain any info other than the Swedish translation of dialect, but nothing about other languages, so I'll wait until I or someone else finds more info. Graymornings (talk) 03:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice addition! :-) Serendipodous 08:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New subsection for rhymes, anagrams, etc. 

message: If this is a list of official translations, the Slovene official translations are:
Publisher: Epta (I-V), translator Jakob J. Kenda
Publisher: Mladinska knjiga (I-V rerelease of Jakob J. Kenda translations for Epta); (VI-VII), translator Jakob J. Kenda
The translation of book VI by Branko Gradišnik should be deemed unofficial due to readers' public outrage about it's quality, which led JKR to look for a new Slovene publisher (Mladinska knjiga), which concurred with her wish to publish a new translation of book VI (and VII) by a previous translator, Jakob J. Kenda.
For details see Slovene HP-fandom homepage www.hpslo.com.
HPfan  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljff2 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slovene translation 

message: I've found this German site ([]) that gives translations of Harry Potter's characters. Among the others, there are references to Sorbian, Scottish Gaelic and Swahili, that aren't listed in the article. I've also found this Spanish site ([]) stating that an Asturian, not listed in this page, does exist. It's also stated in the Asturian Wikipedia (Los seis primeros llibros tienen vendío más de 325 millones de copies en total y traduciéronlos a 64 llingües, incluyendo l'asturianu.). It would be amazing if anyone could verify this. --151.51.59.84 (talk) 20:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't get me started on the Scottish Gaelic translation. What's up with that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.119.135 (talk) 09:39, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Languages 

message: This article notes that Voldemort is French for "wave of death".  This is not correct - it actually translates literally as "flight of death".
Redcore4 (talk) 00:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this is complicated. "Vol" has two meanings in French. Wave is not one of them - it means either "flight" or "theft". Either could apply and I'm pretty sure both do. (And if it's flight, it's flight "from" rather than "of") Sadie_F 15:21, 30 July 2009 (EST)
There's a rather interesting piece of information currently missing from the article. The name of the third book was initially mistranslated into Romanian as "HP - prizonier la Azkaban" (meaning "HP, prisoner at Azkaban"!), and was changed to the current form as of the 2nd edition, but i haven't yet found a verifiable source for this. All i could come up with was a harrypotter.wikia article that mentioned the same thing... Hopefully someone else might be luckier than i was? -- Jokes Free4Me (talk) 17:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistranslations 

message: Book covers in general can vary from country to  country because of different tasts of the market. Book-assecoires such  as paper-houses and other toys belonging to children's books/stories also vary...--Siebzehnwolkenfrei (talk) 15:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-/Book-assecoires 

message: Since there is no citation given, I'd like to object/add that, while [denk] is probably pretty unarguably an allomorph of "denken" (to think), "-arium" cannot as surely be attributed to one word. For example "Terrarium" (terrarium), maybe "Atrium" (inside courtyard). Also an aquarium is not merely a container of fluids (which would match both items), but it is designed to contain fish (or the like...). Thus there is no semantic reference to a Pensieve, so that I argue other considerations like lack of well-sounding alternatives (think of "Denk-üssel" (-> Schüssel (bowl) or "Denk-ale" (Schale (bowl) etc.)By a feeling I'd even argue "-arium" to be a morpheme (like "-tion" (Eng and Ger)) for "room for/of". Maybe other natives can confirm/back up that.
So what I'm saying is, that I don't like the strong reference being made to fish, when saying "Denkarium" partly consists of "aquarium". Also neither I nor any of the handful of friends I asked did share that connotative intuition.--78.52.201.97 (talk) 21:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  >>The German version of Pensieve is Denkarium with denken, meaning "to think," and "aquarium." << 

message: Perhaps it's time for the opening sentences of this article to be more precise and, at the same time, more accurate.
I propose the following new wording for the second sentence:
In May 2008 worldwide sales of Harry Potter books were estimated to be over 400 million copies, and the books have been translated from the original English into at least 64 other languages. If one includes an additional translation into Brazilian Portuguese and one into Chinese using Simplified Chinese characters, authorized editions of the books have been published in at least 67 distinct language versions [1] (This does not include the separate American English edition.) 
I will wait several weeks for comments before changing the text. Fragesteller (talk) 00:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Paragraph 

message: I have a question, maybe its due to my ignorance but im a little confused. 
I bought a harry potter book when i was in belgrade, i assume its serbian (it says belgrade as the place it was published). I assumed (dueto this article mostly) that the serbian translation would be cyrillic. The shop assisstant insisted there was no cyrillic version. So this one i have is called Harry Potter i kamen mudrosti. This site claims its a "serbo-croat" translation 
http://www.worldlanguage.com/Products/Harry-Potter-in-Croatian-Serbian-I-Hari-Poter-kamen-mudrosti-SerbianHarry-I-Serbi-101946.htm
But this article cites a croatian translation as well (Harry Potter i Kamen mudraca, a quick google found no solid reference)
Does this mean there are 3 versions, serbian (the one i have), croatian, and serbian cyrillic??
Thanks
--109.125.9.97 (talk) 18:09, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The answer seems to be "Yes." The currently available Serbian editions are all in the Latin alphabet. However, Cyrillic versions of books I-V (at least) were published, as shown by photographs available on the web. It seems that these Cyrillic versions are no longer in print. I have added the relevant information and references to the main article. Fragesteller (talk) 08:49, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbian/Croatian/Cyrillic 

message: I have added references to the Valencian adaptations of the Catalan editions of Books I-II. The translation of these Valencian versions is credited to Laura Escorihuela, who is the translator of the original Catalan editions. Therefore, the publisher does not consider these to be new translations, but merely "adaptations" of a previous translation. In that sense the Valencian and Catalan editions seem to be less distinct than the separate translations into Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese (which have different translators). Nonetheless it could be argued that the Valencian and Catalan editions should be listed separately under two different language headings, so futher comments on this issue are welcome. Fragesteller (talk) 08:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Valencian Adaptation 

message: I have cited "The Translator’s ‘Magic’ Wand: Harry Potter’s Journey from English into French" for misleading translations. There is more content that could be added under #Issues_in_translation. --Enric Naval (talk) 11:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  sources for translation techniques 

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message: The Japanese translator seems be not able to use Japanese and understand English correctly.
To do a perfect job that everyone loves is nearly impossible but it's possible to write a normal translation with one's native language for 1 year a book.
But there is 1 or 2 mistakes a page. For example, Sirius NAMED Harry but he's not a godfather in Japanese edition somehow.
Is it possible add new section here or make another topic in English?
I also cannot use English perfectly and if I wrote the text myself, you won't get the meaning. So I need someone's help.もっつぁれらちーず (talk) 04:36, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Japanese Translation 

message: I think someone has added chamber of secrets and prisoner of azkaban to the Irish section, but only the first one has been translated. Welsh also. I didnt check others, the changes happened 31 May by user 90.200.218.196. not sure why, Harry Potter agus an Cumann Lucht Rúin is also quite a bad translation.93.82.61.172 (talk) 23:12, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish & Welsh and more? 

message: It is said on 6.3. that "In French, Riddle's full name becomes Tom Elvis Jedusor (i.e. phonetically "game of fate" for the French "Jeu du sort"; but there is a playword: "Jedusor" is phonetically pronounced in French as "Jet du sort" which means "Casting spell")..."
In fact, in french we pronounce "Jé-du-zor", /ʒedyzɔr/. It can't be /ʒø/ with this spelling, or the sound /ʒɛ/ if there is no accent on the e (è) or 2 consonants after the e (ex : "j'appelle" is pronounced /ʒɑpɜl/ because of the "ll". And an "s" is always (or nearly) pronounced /z/ between 2 vowels. So maybe there is a visual effect but we don't hear "jet du sort" or "Jeu du sort" but Jéduzor ! :)
Voila that's all, I hope you understood ^^ Anais21P (talk) 16:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  French translation 

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message: With the recent announcement of Scots, the first new language in quite a while, it is tempting to add the language to this list. I think we should wait until it has *actually* been published. There have been more than one instance of translations being announced that have never come to pass: Scottish Gaelic and Kazakh for example.
For a long time, it has been clear that he mandate of the list on this page is to only include *authorized* translations, not pirate translations, fan translations, fake translations or announced translations. (although commentary on them has been welcome in the body text). We shouldn't be in the position of having to monitor and *remove* entries based on whether or not a book has been published; only add once they are. It increases the risk that the list becomes inaccurate over time.
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message: I've removed an unduly exhaustive list of examples from these sections, all of which were unreferenced. It is preserved below:
Another issue was the translation of "The Mirror of Erised", since "Erised" is created by reading English "desire" backwards. In German the word desire is spelled "Begehren", so the mirror was called "Der Spiegel Nerhegeb". The Finnish translation also follows this formula of reversing a word; the mirror is called "Iseeviot-peili" "iseeviot" being "toiveesi" ("your wish") written backwards. In Polish the mirror is called "Zwierciadło Ain Eingarp" ("zwierciadło" = "mirror"; "pragnienia" = "desire" (in genitive case)). In Indonesian, The Mirror of Erised is called "Cermin Tarsah" (cermin" = "mirror"; "hasrat" = "desire"). In Spanish it is called "El Espejo de Oesed" ("Espejo" = "Mirror"; "Deseo" = "desire"). In the early Italian editions and in the movie, the mirror is called "Specchio delle Brame" ("Mirror of Desires"; Italian name for the Magic Mirror from Snow White), later, it was renamed "Specchio delle Emarb" ("Emarb" is "Brame" read backwards), a name based on the English one.
Areas in which anagrams are present do not make the transition easily into other languages. The name "Tom Marvolo Riddle", first mentioned in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, is rearranged to spell "I am Lord Voldemort". This has required translators to alter Riddle's name to make the anagram work. Sometimes translators manage to alter only one part of the name. For example, Tom Riddle's middle name of Marvolo was changed to Marvolodemus in the Serbian second edition; the first edition had lacked the anagram and the original name Tom Marvolo Riddle had simply been copied. In the Bulgarian translation his middle name becomes "Mersvoluko" so the whole name forms an anagram for "And here I am, Lord Voldemort" (instead of "I am Lord Voldemort" as in the original English). Analogous alterations of the middle name Marvolo have been made in several other languages; for example; it became Servoleo in Brazilian Portuguese, Vandrolo in Hebrew, Marvoldo in Turkish, Vorlost in German, Narvolo in Russian, Sorvolo in Spanish, Rojvol in Czech, Marvoloso in Slovak, and Orvoloson in Italian (Note: the original Italian version kept the English name, having Riddle translate the anagram in his speech that immediately follows. The change to Orvoloson was made in later editions, although the revisited translation returned to "Marvolo" and kept the phrase in English, assuming the reader could understand it themselves.). In the Latin version his name is Tom Musvox Ruddle, which is an anagram of "Sum Dux Voldemort", or "I am the leader Voldemort".
In other languages, translators replaced the entire name to preserve the anagram. In French, Riddle's full name becomes Tom Elvis Jedusor (i.e. phonetically "game of fate" for the French "Jeu du sort", wordplay with a phonetically identical "Jet du sort", which means "Casting spell") which forms an anagram for "Je suis Voldemort" ("I am Voldemort"). In Norwegian, his name is Tom Dredolo Venster, an anagram of "Voldemort den store", which means "Voldemort the Great". In Greek, his name is "Anton Morvol Hurt" (Άντον Μόρβολ Χερτ), anagram of "Άρχον Βόλντεμορτ" which means "Lord Voldemort". In Icelandic, his name is Trevor Delgome, which becomes "(Ég)Eg er Voldemort" ("I am Voldemort"), but his middle name is not used for the anagram and stays as Marvolo. In Finnish his name is "Tom Lomen Valedro"; the corresponding anagram is "Ma(ä) olen Voldemort", "I am Voldemort". In Dutch, his name is "Marten Asmodom Vilijn", an anagram of "Mijn naam is Voldemort", or "My name is Voldemort", "Vilijn" being a pseudohomophone of vilein, "evil". In Swedish, his name is "Tom Gus Mervolo Dolder", an anagram of "Ego sum Lord Voldemort", where "ego sum" is Latin, not Swedish, for "I am". In Chinese, the mainland translator translated the two phrases without regard for the anagram, and inserted a footnote explaining the wordplay. The Taiwanese Chinese and Japanese versions displayed the main text of the anagram in English and added in the meaning in brackets beside it while the Vietnamese version displayed the original anagram in English and added a footnote.
In Slovenian, both names are completely changed. Tom Marvolo Riddle is Mark Neelstin and Lord Voldemort is translated as Lord Mrlakenstein. When the name Mark Neelstin is rearranged in the scene, it spells Mrlakenstein. Because the books in Slovenia were released with a three-year delay, the translation of Voldemort is consistent throughout the series. The film series corresponds with the book translation.
The Danish translation uses abbreviation and suffix to make the name work. The translation is Romeo G. Detlev Jr an anagram of "Jeg er Voldemort" ("I am Voldemort").
In Hungarian, Voldemort's name becomes "Tom Rowle Denem", which is an anagram of "Nevem Voldemort" ("My name is Voldemort"), with the "w" in the name becoming two "v"s. This caused a name collision with the character Thorfinn Rowle, who first appears in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, but who is not related to Voldemort. Because of this collision, in the Hungarian translation his family name was altered to Rovel. The Arabic version avoids the issue entirely by having Riddle directly write out, "I am Lord Voldemort" (أنا لورد فولدمورت). These changes to the name created problems in later books however; in the English edition, a line of dialogue mentions that Tom Riddle shares his given name with the bartender of the Leaky Cauldron, and this becomes a plot point. However, this is not the case in all translations.
Names that involve wordplay, such as Knockturn Alley and Pensieve are also difficult to translate. The former, an unsavoury area in London's magical market, is semi-homophonous with "nocturnally," suggesting darkness and evil. The latter is a magical bowl into which memories and thoughts can be placed and examined, and is a portmanteau of two words: pensive, meaning "musingly or dreamily thoughtful," and sieve, a type of bowl with perforations through which fine particles of a substance (such as flour) may be passed to separate them from coarser ones. Translators must creatively render such names. If the words are simply transliterated, the shades of meaning are lost; but, when new word-games are invented, they can end up sounding quite different from the original, and often reflect the translator's personal interpretation and preferences. For instance, the Turkish version of Pensieve is Düşünseli, which is a portmanteau of the words Düşünmek (to think, to imagine) and sel (a flood of water). The German version of Pensieve is Denkarium, from denken, meaning to think, and the suffix -arium. The Swedish version of Pensieve is Minnessåll which means memory's sieve. The Norwegian translation of Pensieve is tanketank which translates to Thought-tank. The Hebrew version achieves a similar effect to the English in its translation of Pensieve; Pensieve is הגיגית (Hagigit), which is a combination of the word הגיג (hagig) meaning thought, and the word גיגית (gigit) meaning tub. In the Czech translation, Pensieve is "Myslánka" (from "myslet" – think) and Knockturn Alley is Obrtlá ulice, a rather complex neologism with many meanings and associations, but based on the word "obrtlík" (swivel) and the phrase "otočit se na obrtlíku" (run away suddenly). The "Nocturnal" wordplay is not used in the Czech translation. The Vietnamese version of "Pensieve" is "Tưởng Ký", which is a combination word of "tư tưởng" ("thought" or "mind") and "ký" (literally means something to keep thoughts, like a diary).
I think there's value in providing a few representative examples of the various strategies translators have used to tackle this problem creatively, as long as they're properly referenced. I kept the text here so it's easier to retrieve in case one of the above examples proves useful. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
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message: then why are Portuguese and Chinese listed twice? Serendipodous 09:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: They probably shouldn't be? They were split without discussion in 2018. I removed the OR paragraph (last paragraph of edit) that asserted that regional adaptation is "not translation" though. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, English does not belong in a list of "translations," as it was not translated into English. But it would go in a list of languages, so two tables might make sense. SMcAllister 02:27, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

text: I do not pretend to understand the point at which a regional adaptation becomes an actual translation. The point made in the discussion was that regional adaptations take a particular translation (in the case of Valencian and Catalan translation; in the case of Montenegrin the Serbian translation), and adapt it to their regional language variant. You would have to ask a linguist what the line is. Perhaps the nuance is not necessary here, and all the translations and adaptations should be listed, in which case you would include Valencian, Montenegrin, etc as separate entities in the list. Also, if your wish is to create first a list of languages, which does not exist yet on this page, and a separate list of translations, that would seem appropriate. As to languages that have multiple translations, Portuguese (European vs. Brazilian) and Chinese (Simplified vs. Traditional) were independently translated by different translators and published by different publishing companies (in different countries). They should be listed twice. Additionally, Macedonian, Korean, Russian, and some others (I can look them up if you like) were independently translated twice by different people (likely still referencing the original translation). In a true list of translations, with every line item a different translation, these would also be listed twice. It may be that the table needs to be modified to allow for these distinctions. SMcAllister 01:51, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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message: I would suggest that the name of the page is returned to the original "Harry Potter in translation". I don't believe that "List of Harry Potter translations" is accurate, since that is only one of six sections on the page. SMcAllister 01:54, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: By page length and character count, it's 3/4 of the page. By any reasonable definition, this is a list of translations with a bit of context and explanation on either end. Axem Titanium (talk) 16:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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