Talk:Mike Tyson/Archive 1

message: "Stewart knew the respected trainer Cus D'Amato and in 1980 D'Amato was introduced to the boy."  Who is Stewart? Gyrofrog 17:29, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is "Stewart?" 

message: Tomforrest 18:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: btw, "Hitting rock bottom" is POV, I suggest we rename it. Shawnc 13:51, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up 

message: Is a mug shot really appropriate as the main, primary (and only) photo of Tyson?
Honestly? I'd say yes in this case. Nothing against Mike, I'm a big fan actually, compared to most mug shots it's actually a fairly good photo of the man. Zoe 01:27, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mug shot 

message: "In 1987, Nintendo released Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, an NES game based on the arcade game "Punch Out!!", although there was later a version released in 1990 that replaced Mike Tyson with a fictional character, "Mr. Dream" after Nintendo's license with Mike Tyson expired. It is considered to be one of the best games released for the NES, and is highly regarded to this day."
From what I've heard, Nintendo stopped using Mike Tyson's name on purpose after he was convicted of rape. I doubt that thier licence expired.
It was in fact him losing the championship, not being convicted of rape that caused the game to be changed. The release dates prove this. Punchout with Mr. Dream was released in 1990, Tyson wasn't convicted until 1992. Zoe 14:08, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punch out 

message: I removed the quotation supposedly by Tyson after receiving his doctorate because I couldn't find a source for it. The quote was:
:Upon receiving his doctorate, Tyson said, "I don't know what kind of doctor I am. But watching all these beautiful sisters here..I'm debating whether I should be a gynaecologist."
I would assume such a statement WOULD provoke a great deal of controversy, espeically among women's rights activists, but the only controversy I found was regarding the awarding of the doctorate itself. So I removed the quote and made the blurb focus on that, which I think is far more appropriate. We need to be especially careful about "controversy" without documentation. Remember John Seigenthaler? Yeah, we don't want that. Cheers.
-- Hinotori 09:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "gynecologist" quote 

message: 1986
a sales clerk in an Albany, N.Y., shopping mall complained
become violent when she rebuffed his sexually proposition
later the same night, ejected from a nearby movie theater with same complaint
June 1987
tried to kiss a woman in a parking lot
struck the lot attendant who came to the woman's defense
charged with misdemeanor assault and battery and assault with a deadly weapon
(paid $105,000 to settle the case out of court)
February 1833
married Robin Givens
September 1988
divorced
had beaten her
December 1988
two women filed separate claims 
had grabbed and groped them in a nightclub
was fined $100
April 1989
accused of beating a parking lot attendant outside a Los Angeles nightclub
(later dropped when witnesses refused to cooperate with prosecutors)
1991
convicted of raping a beauty pageant contestant named Desiree Washington
sentenced to ten years in prison, with four years suspended by the judge
       
1995
paroled after serving 3 years
August 1998
two women sued him for sexual harassment in a Washington bistro
involved in a minor auto accident
punched the other driver and kicked a passenger in the groin
1999
sentenced to a year in prison.
fined $5,000
ordered to serve 2 years probation
200 hours of community service for the 1998
I didn't know that marrying Robin Givens was a felony charge  Miss Maya Levy 04:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charges 

message: Tyson has a respect and knowledge of his sport's history
This has been hiiiiighly disputed for years. Some take the POV that Tyson was NOT a skilled fighter; merely a due that could hit VERRRRY hard and knock the fear of God into you! Buster Douglas was the first one who looked at Tyson and said "he ain't nothin'" and actually believed that. And once Douglas did it, there were kinks in the armor and he never quite recovered, IMO. It was pretty much downhill from there. He lacked the fundamentals; he's like that kid on the basketball team who can make beautiful dunks but can't run a play to save his life. So much potential there, and he'll go down as one of the great champs. But a legend, like Ali, Foreman, Norton? I seriously doubt it. 
Also:
breeding insecurity and explosive violence into his and his peers' mindframes
In a word: Huh? Jennifer 00:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have to agree. If anyone out there has this idea that Tyson was 'hype' and Buster Douglas was merely the one to 'see through it' that is complete nonsense. Tyson was amazingly skilled in both technique and raw ability. To anyone familiar with his fighting, it was obvious in his match with Douglas that he wasn't performing as usual and something was wrong. Douglas was undeserving of a victory against the 'usual Mike', but was fortunate to be the one in the ring when he Tyson chose not to train properly, had lost Rooney, and had several personal problems going on. It was this culmination of events that robbed all future opponents of Tyson the ability to ever face the fighter and athlete he had been prior. Douglas' good random fortune was made more apparent in his quick loss of the title thereafter.--Daniel 11:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Knowledge of boxing

message: I added a tag requesting copy editing cleanup (grammer, etc.). At least the 'Retires from Boxing' section needs editing from someone who knows more about Tyson and/or boxing than myself. Antonrojo 20:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyediting

message: I saw this documentary that said he used to be made fun of and picked on by other kids, and hang out on the roof to be with the pigeons. That once one of the kids he knew once killed one of the pigeons. So he got very mad and beat the crap out of the kid. He liked it and was good at it, so he bacame a boxer and a thug.83.118.38.37 04:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pigeons

message: are we sure thats even a word, if possible can we find something that doesn't make you laugh and question whether it was just made up out of convienance--Manwithbrisk 21:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Under "Other Forms" here - http://www.bartleby.com/61/32/T0193200.html . The dictionary is very convenient for answering questions like this. -- 201.50.123.251 22:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  thuggery 

message: Is this for real? An emotional peak after one's mother has died? This needs a citation or removal:
On paper it looked like an easy victory for Tyson, but Douglas was at an emotional peak after losing his mother to cancer three weeks prior to the fight -213.219.151.76 18:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  emotional peak? 

message: An interesting story but is this true?  Why would the tiger just wander away instead of waking up and devouring Tyson?--Hypermagic 16:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trapped Under a Tiger? 

message: The trivia section is a mess. 
Tigers falling asleep on him and trapping Tyson? (to be fair, he did once own a tiger) Tyson calling an unknown boxer better than all the other boxing legends? Tyson being knocked out by an unknown felon at an early age? All unverified and with no citations/references (looks like vandalism in some cases). I will clean out some of the more suspicious ones. They can be put back in easily if proven true. -- Eqdoktor 11:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia mess 

message: The big brawl that occured at the Jan 22, 2002 press conference. It wasn't a minor thing as the word "scuffle" implied in the article. Several people were injured in the brawl . It was also alleged that Mike Tyson bit Lennox Lewis in the thigh during the brawl.  I remember the brawl as it was quite big news back then for boxing fans. I'm putting the citation links in here if people want to look it up. I don't think its necessary to put the citations in main article is it? -- Eqdoktor 19:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jan 22, 2002 brawl with Lennox Lewis 

message: My main concern was the phrase, "He could have been the greatest boxer of all time." I'm not really sure that there is any way to validate that. I'll grant you the fact that he was above average in his early fights. But after the Douglas fight, I didn't see anything from him that would lead anyone to make that claim. 
Also, this statement is someone's opinion. There is no way to substantiate that and I don't think it should be in the article. It does not sound like something that you would read in an encyclopedia. Now, if a reputable source said this quote, then I have no problem with leaving it in and citing it. However, in its present state, I feel it should be removed. I didn't change it yet, because obviously there has been some discussion on this already, and I didn't want to step on any toes by changing it without consulting anyone. Cyrus Andiron 13:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV in the Intro 

message: An anonymous editor removed the reference about him being a referee in a WCFC mixed martial arts match, saying it didn't happen. Well, it did, and it's sourced. And if that's not enough, then this should. hateless 22:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyson as a ref in a MMA match 

message: Where'd Mikey do his time?  Trekphiler 13:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Prison stripes

message: Its actually in danger into turning just that. If we are to report every one of his business dealings, appearances and altercations no matter how insignificant - his Wiki entry may as well be a gossipy fanpage. I think a moratorium on what he is doing recently is a good idea unless it has a real significant impact on career - its ridiculous if Wikipedia tracks what Tyson does to earn a living on a daily basis. I'm removing a badly written trivia item by User:203.76.96.12 as the incident it describes stinks all over as an inconsequential publicity stunt. --Eqdoktor 11:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mike Tyson Wiki entry turning into a gossip fanpage

message: Theres plenty of reasons not to add this into the trivia section. For one thing, it happened more than two years ago (the last Battle of Bellagio was in 2004). Nothing has resulted from this - neither parties have followed up on it. As a publicity event, its a bust and worst of all, ITS BORING AND UNINTERESTING. It is of ZERO IMPORTANCE - its not even mentioned in Bob Sapp's Wiki entry (as of 2006-11-18). A key factor in selecting items for the trivia section (from Wikipedia:Trivia) : 
This comes down to: if something is not interesting on any level, it is not included in wikipedia. In other words: "zero interest" equals "zero amount of space".
Similarly, "zero importance" results in "zero amount of space": even if a topic would be interesting, if it has no importance whatsoever, it is not included in Wikipedia. 
As a final nail in the coffin, the various iterations of the trivia is usually accompanied by a Youtube link. Youtube links are frowned upon in Wikipedia, ref this page. If anyone thinking of adding it to the trivia section, do not be surprised to see it reverted. --Eqdoktor 11:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Sapp strikes again 

message: Please site numerous prison rape section as it sounds utterly rediculous. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.192.232.128 (talk) 10:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prison Rape 

message: This page could really use a fair use photo up top. -Pete 18:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  photo 

message: There is no mention of Tyson's fight with the much larger Russian
who easily, with his longer reach, beat Tyson badly...
That fight, etc should be included. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.192.1.172 (talk) 15:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing

message: This article used to be better sourced. I remember putting some of the external sources in myself. I notice (in march 2007) that a lot of references have been stripped out of this article. Mike Tyson seems to be an especially popular target for vandals and more care is needed when reverting these vandalisms. --Eqdoktor 00:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandals removing references/cites 

message: An anonymous user just made substantial factual changes to the article, which I reverted as a precaution. Could someone familiar with the subject verify the information in this
diff
Jens Nielsen 11:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  check data