Talk:Emoticon/Archive 3

message: Shouldn't the flags be delimited by | instead of )? 203.218.88.47 09:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: I am curious what tt really means cos i have seen it a lot in chat in battle.net (server for the popular pc game warcraft3 - amongst other)
i did a search but don't seem to find an answer that pleases me.. is it an emoticon for crying, or does it stand for "top this"?
i have seen it also as t.t, so i guess it is an emoticon..?
discuss.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.76.29.242 (talk • contribs) 12:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It sands for crying, you can also write it like T_T, ╥﹏╥, ㄒoㄒ. You can add the Chinese character 凸, thus it becomes 凸ㄒoㄒ凸. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.121.159 (talk • contribs) 14:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, t.t is sticking up middle fingers.  Capital ToT, T.T is crying, sure.  But t.t is flicking people off with both hands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.167.210 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tt or t.t 

message: Deleted material reproduced here as a matter of record: (click edit to see it; I made the section into a comment so as not to clutter the talk page)
I believe all of the above should be moved to the ASCII art page as they are not technically emoticons. Emoticons are defined as "keyed characters used to indicate an emotion," so in actuality, we're really pushing the envelope with a lot of the "emoticons" that only feature an activity. I'm drawing a line here at the ones which don't even feature a person, but rather an object. I hope this doesn't cause too much trouble. Please discuss here before putting them back in right away. Cheers.
-- Hinotori(talk)|(ctrb) 05:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest all this be moved to ASCII art 

message: Most Chinese prefer to use graph emoticons now, and lots of them are really funny. I really want to show you some of them, I just don't know how can you tell me. In the past and now in some signatures or nicknames used in instant messengers, they use some symbol emoticons similar to the Japanese ones, some of the may even contain Chinese characters. eg, 凸^_^凸, >_<,  ¯^¯, ˇ︿ˇ,‧_‧?, ☆＿☆, ﹁ ﹁, ⊙o⊙... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.121.159 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese emoticons. 

message: Can you actually use smileies here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.10.7.99 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless the occasion calls for it [Talk pages seem OK], it's not advisable. Too unprofessional. Haoie 02:54, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Smiley on wiki

message: I'll just number the reasons for my edits.
# I took out ":D" and "D:" because it says in the paragraph before the examples that all of them can have their hyphen omitted.
# I changed "childish laugh" back to "laughing so hard the eyes are closed" because, after seeing this emoticon dozens of times, I've always seen the latter usage more than the first. (If anyone disagrees, let's discuss it here.)
# "Handicons" need some kind of citation. A Google search for "handicons" or even "hand-icons" revealed zero relevant results that I could see. That's odd especially since handicons would be a web-based phenomenon if they do exist. I've seen one or two a couple times, so I left the section in there, but we really need something to back up their existence, or I might take them back out. I also structured them in a table like the other examples for the time being. 
# Sigh. I removed the Emoticon Grammar section because it's not notable. (I'm seeing a pattern here.) Both websites referenced are simply not very important or authoritative. (The first is a link to what looks like a non-notable musician's blog, and the second is another link to tpvgames's website.) Tpvgames, I really encourage you to read WP:Notability, since you've been repeating the same faux pas multiple times. 
Hope everyone's ok with these changes. -- Hinotori(talk)|(ctrb) 13:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that someone changed "laughing so hard the eyes are closed" back to "childish laugh." Why? I have never seen it used in that way. I won't change it back for now, but if I don't see a reason here in some time, I will go ahead. -- Hinotori(talk)|(ctrb) 03:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "chlidish laugh" stands for smiley that kids use to express laugh. 88.154.5.22 09:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: You haven't given me any reason to believe that either website is notable. I didn't say the two sites were ads. I said they were not authoritative or well-known, which as far as I can see, is completely true. I won't revert it again for now, but if you don't give me a solid reason to keep them, I will file a WP:RfC regarding the article to get some outside opinions. -- Hinotori(talk)|(ctrb) 03:37, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My last edit 

message: Im a bit disappointed the Emoticon Grammer documents were notable. And it isnt like tpgames site is making any money on putting  a link on here, he dont even have any ads!! I will be putting them back on, and i will continue to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.219.110 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven't given me any reason to believe that either website is notable. I didn't say the two sites were ads. I said they were not authoritative or well-known, which as far as I can see, is completely true. I won't revert it again for now, but if you don't give me a solid reason to keep them, I will file a WP:RfC regarding the article to get some outside opinions. -- Hinotori(talk)|(ctrb) 03:37, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not happy! 

message: It will be funny if an emoticon dictionary is set up.
PS: I made up some funny graphic emoticons, better than the emoticons you used in msn or aim...
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.119.81 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emoticon Dictionary. 

message: Simply adding a hyphen to an emoticon can still change the meaning.
Take for example, the classic colon-d emoticon:
: :D
Now if you add a hyphen to this, you get
: :-D
Adding a hyphen can totally change the emoticon's mood. Where the former has a more primitive mood of joy, nothing else, the latter shows a more civilized grin. I propose the emoticons list have all hyphens removed with this note.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.201.16 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOR - NTK 02:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding hyphen noses 

message: in korea, we don't use Emoticon that kind of.. rather, another system using. so, It should be changed and amended. the next is example of korean Emoticon. - Ellif 01:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These are basically East Asian Style, have no idea why you said they are not. -- G.S.K.Lee 15:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  For what is so called 'East asian Emoticon' 

message: as anyone who uses emoticons would know, that the actual meaning of an emoticon is far more complex than just a couple words. For example, the definition of XD is not a childish laugh though at times it can be used. It's predominanetly used after certain statements that are somewhat selfmocking ish, for example, "no, I havn't started my homework yet XD" (when it's 11 pm of course). 
I think it's impossible to actually define the exact meaning of each emoticon without dedicating a seperate wiki for each emoticon (which should be done :D) though for now, I added a quick comment that the definition of each emote is not absolute, rather a very basic guideline.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.149.0 (talk • contribs) 07:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone has a slightly different definition of what it means, and a lot of it is based on context.  Going by your example of "XD", I often use it in a sarcastic manner, like "Man, I was such a n00b yesterday XD" and other times simply to replace "lol" or similar.  So yes, separate wikis for each emoticon would be good to discuss nuances, basic definitions are fine and should be taken with a grain of salt. Keakealani 03:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  emoticon definitions 

message: This is listed under anime smileys when it totally isn't.  It's a common smiley for the British as it's on the keyboard with a simple shift.  I have never seen an anime in my life and I've used it as long as I've been on IRC.  In other things would @>-'-,-- be considered a "smiley"?  It's a rose and used a fair bit but it isn't really a face? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thnom (talk • contribs) 17:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's anime-style because it's read vertically, and it's commonly used by people in those sort of circles. I use anime-style emoticons sometimes, and I don't watch anime. It's just a term. — mæstro t/c, 04:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ¬_¬ 

message: Couldn't this also be a friendly smile? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.172.165 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: :-0

message: I may have missed it when I was looking through the list, but something that I do with emoticons is to use a semicolon to show a raised eyebrow, such as:
:-) ---->  ;:-)
:-\ ---->  ;:-\
This, IMO, gives an added depth to the emotion expressed. I haven't seen anyone use this aside from myself, and was curious to see if anyone else that contributes to this article does the same thing or has seen it used before.  Willbyr 14:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eyebrows in smilies

message: I've read the peer-review page, and I agree to an extent.  However:
*The etymology section at the top is a mess.  I know it's hard to trace this kind of thing, but it's better not to say anything about the etymology than to have such a confused section.
*The split between vertical and horizontal smileys is not properly done.
*There is no mention of the term "bixies" and the influence of Byte Information eXchange on emoticon development.
*The style is disjointed and chaotic.
This article needs a firm hand, and I don't currently have time for the project. --Slashme 08:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: °u°  
:\
:"plzz add meee :) .__." 
--nlitement [talk] 16:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LoL 

message: Can we block this Ip? This bot? only ads a link to the site inhunt ... only unrelevant content ... spam ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.129.58 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why this bot (83.130.233.122 (BOT 1723)) is now adding my site (planet smilies net) to this site??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.97.217.227 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now this IP (83.130.238.95) is using my name, please delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.129.77 (talk • contribs) 09:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, DavidHOzAu suggested that we get our good bot friend Tawkerbot2 involved, and ask to have inhunt.com added to it's spam blacklist. I did that, and Tawker did so. So hopefully they are gone for good! --Reaper X 02:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  inhunt.com 

message: No one there... →AzaToth 22:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graphical? 

message: Is this supposed to be a list of all smilies?
what about @_@?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.22.188 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some more smilies! 

message: The article says verticons such as (^-^) are "anime style", as though Western anime fans invented them, but aren't those originally Japanese emoticons? There may be some verticons used exclusively within Western anime fandom (and not in Japan), but to me, vast majority of them look completely Japanese.
At least, this source says emoticons such as (^_^) are used from 1986, in Japanese ASCII-NET.
Well, maybe in common English usage, those verticons are indeed called "anime style", but it'd be better to clarify most of them are originally Japanese emoticons.
Also, describing 2ch-style emoticons such as (ﾟ∀ﾟ) under the title "East Asian" sounds a bit odd. Yes, they are indeed "East Asian", but these emoticons are used almost exclusively by 2ch users; Japanese outside of 2ch community generally don't use it, other East Asians such as Koreans or Chinese don't use it. Instead, what they normally use is the verticons described as "anime style" in this article (with some local varieties).
Describing only 2ch-style emoticons under the title "East Asian" is something like describing only gangsta hip-hop under the title "American music". It's not technically incorrect, but at least awkward.
--Kzaral 03:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime Style? 

message: ô¿ô — BRIAN0918 • 02:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My favorite

message: Unicode has a few faces (☹ ☺ ☻), several hands (☚ ☛ ☜ ☝ ☞ ☟ ✌ ✍), and other symbols that might be of interest here (☃ ☠ ♿). Should they be incorporated into the article? Herorev 08:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well along with the faces, hands, snowman, cross & bones, and wheelchair, I just came across a weird smiley face at U+3020. 〠 It's named "POSTAL MARK FACE". Herorev 02:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a Japanese symbol used to mark postal addresses in text, or post offices on maps. It's a variant of 〒. See Japanese typographic symbols. — Gwalla | Talk 05:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unicode emoticons 

message: Anonymous is shocked. Anonymous has always thought wiki was a place to direct everyone to. Liek, there ARE people who need a good article on emoticons here and there. And they totally DON'T need to know about Goatse or Tubgirl. I don't want them to know. They don't ever want to see it. But with those links gratiously provided, they just might click and regret lately. What the heck? Any vulva or anus smileys/emoticon (can an arse express emotions?) are perfectly okay, they are parts of human anatomy. BUT XCUSE ME WHAT THE HECK those darned INTERNET MEMES are doing here? Why not include links to scat or guro articles? That'd be so much fun! Let's compete with Uncyclopedia and /b/ ! 
This Anonymous is not going to edit this wiki. Somebody else would do. Who started it all and are in charge of this mess wiki has become. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.93.136.206 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "3^o". You're complaining about that, a 3-character representation of Tubgirl, with a link to the 'pedia article about Tubgirl? What's the issue? Yeah, Tubgirl's rather unpleasant. But the article would only contain a description. What's more, that's not even what people get when they click the link; it redirects to shock site, which opens with a brief description of what a shock site is. In the end, Wikipedia is not censored. — mæstro t/c, 11:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not complaining about the emoticon. I couldn't care less. Let me get this clear. One.  Emoticons are a globally recognised, universal cultural phenomenon. Everyone uses them. Two. Shocksites are relatively unknown, mostly american, IRC/BBS Internet meme. And this wiki emoticon synopsis directly enforces a minor subculture phenomenon on a planetary scale. As an emoticon can be made for virtucally anything, I ponder the presence of redeeming value for goatse/tubgirl emoticons and their right to persist on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.93.136.206 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't get the emoticon, could someone explain the anatomy behind it? @_@ 惑乱 分からん 12:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Calm down!  The links do NOT go to the site in question; they go to the Wikipedia articles about the sites in question (which, last time I checked, don't have the photos in question, even though they do link to them for the absolutely curious).  It's all text.  Nothing offensive. Stev0 19:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia endorsing shocksites? 

message: uh, I've never seen it used to signify kissing, but I've often seen it to signify being shut up, or impeded to speek as if it was a person with duct tape on their mouth.
I think that's even the image conversion that MSN messenger does when you type it.
Cauzilo 01:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yahoo's messenger uses/replaces it as a kiss icon ... (puckered lips I presume) ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Invisifan (talk • contribs) 06:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  :X for kiss? 

message: The reference document only mentions it once, and it's a reference from either 1980 or 1992 (both years listed).  In either case, it seems like a pretty far stretch from "emoticon" to "wowwwwwwwwwww" and the other info submitted.  Thoughts?  /Blaxthos 13:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I did a Google, and almost every link I found for "emotext" was a spam link or a mirror of the Wikipedia article.  I just was bold and deleted the whole mess. Stev0 14:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "emotext" offtopic 

message: This is used to show a person on their hands and knees, banging their head on the ground. It could also be seen as a person bowing down before another. I see it quite often in online games and chats. -Krellion 14:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  While I personally have never run across it, apparently it's pretty common in some circles.  Stev0 15:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've re-added the "Posture emoticon" section. It was removed as part of a larger edit by Simetrical with summary "Remove most of the huge number of dubious, rare, Eastern-style, duplicate, etc. They don't belong here, and can't be verified in any case. I'm not the arbiter of what goes and stays, but this is if anything more than are needed to reasonably inform the reader about emoticons.", then re-added by an anon, whose edits got reverted by MER-C. It is my opinion that "orz" is an important example of an emoticon, and the linked Boing Boing article should make it clear that it's not "dubious" or "rare". -- Woseph 17:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add "orz"? 

message: A common vandalism of this page is to add ">:3 JESUS CHRIST!  IT'S A LION!  GET IN THE CAR!"  Apparently this is a 4chan meme  which has since become an underground Internet meme (I've seen it in a few places).  On the one hand, it shouldn't be in the list of common emoticons; on the other hand, this should be noted somewhere in this article.  Only I can't figure out where, or how to word it. Stev0 15:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  >:3 

message: Ok, the first paragraph of the article says Scott Fahlman created emoticons in 1981.  Then, a few paragraphs later, the reproduction of his original usenet post says 1982.  And the "On this Day..." entry on the front page for today (9/19) says 1982.  Which is it?  Dgcopter 16:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1982?  1981?  

message: Despair.com claims to have a patent on :-( which appears to be true. Shouldn't this be mentioned on this page?  *smb 22:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The making of the trademark is indeed real.  That's what makes the joke press release so funny. Stev0 02:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Despair.com 

message: What does that one mean? The lists are already long why is it not included Foolswisdom 16:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  :S 

message: What does 8-) mean? 218.186.9.3 08:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it means youre smiling with glasses on 8]  67.168.99.237 03:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: sunglasses actually -- therefore "being cool", "basking in the glow", "accepting expected applause" that sort of thing... 8-) is just glasses (ie. nerdy/bookworm)--Invisifan 03:56, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Any idea what this means?

message: This article contains wholly inappropriate tone for an encyclopedia.  Citing examples isn't even necessary at this point.  It's blatantly obvious. --216.211.192.153 17:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you be more specific? I don't understand what you're talking about. Littleghostboo[ talk ] 08:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate tone 

message: Recently someone removed the following sentence, which had been in the history section for a long time, as "irrelevant":
:Every issue of the British fashion magazine i-D, founded in 1980, has featured a cover model with a winking right eye (or sometimes obscured in a different way).
I have reinserted it because I think it is an important example - this emoticon appeared prominently in print two years before the "official" invention of :-) and :-( in the (then) small and obscure world of bulletin boards, and has been kept as the title and hallmark of an influential magazine for over a quarter century. regards, High on a tree 20:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[i-D]] magazine 

message: I don't think "emote" should redirect here, given that it has an older. more general meaning of to express/display/convey emotion. NTK 02:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emote 

message: Could we remove these?  I find them offensive and I'm sure many other people do as well.  Also, this is the kind of page kids are likely to frequent and so I don't think it's appropriate to have this kind of stuff here.  If you really must have it, could someone at least move it to a different page?  --Eruhildo 12:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOT#CENSORED__ø(._. ) Patrick("\(.:...:.)/")Fisher 10:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: however ... they aren't actually emoticons, just ascii art... --Invisifan 12:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lewd Emoticons 

message: (>_")>(L)<("_<)
Luc(-"-)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.222.121 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  love 

message: I have found at least a couple of common facial expresions which aren't covered as emoticons in this article, I can only remember one of the now, though. The puzzled expresion is the only one I can think of. At least i didn't find it when I made a search for it in this article. It is good if you get at least one hit when you make a search at an expression in the article. What does the puzzled expression look like by the way?
194.236.215.108 23:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More expressions needed! 

message: Shouldn't "xD" and "xP" also be included beside "XD" and "XP", respectively? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.230.173 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "xD" and "xP" 

message: Why not add discussion about animated emoticons at deviantart.
Why not add a link to show them?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.74.86.198 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deviantart 

message: searching for "Less than three" redirects to this page, but Less than three is not listed on this page anywhere.  Someone who knows what it means (not me) needs to fix the redirect or add it to this page. --69.231.121.93 03:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Less than three" == "<3"  an Emoticon for a heart (which is here, though a redirect for it is .. rather obscure) --Invisifan 03:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Less Than Three" is the title of a song by Becky about a girl with an online boyfriend. I suspect the redirect may have been created as an indirect way of explaining the song's meaning. As far as I know, neither the song nor the artist is notable enough to warrant their own article, so a redirect to something that might help explain the song's meaning was probably the next best thing. 69.226.218.90 02:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad redirect 

message: Sorry for making another "nope I don't think this definition is right" comment, but I've never seen ">_<" used in a comical sense. Usually it means something along the lines of embarrassment, especially in anime circles. Change the definition? (I'm a n00b, help! ^^) 
Minami-chan 20:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: >_<

message: Swimming. Where can this emoticon be put?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kri (talk • contribs) 12:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does not look like swimming to me. AxG</font>  (talk) 12:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Appears to be more like flailing around... Minami-chan 15:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bah! He's crawling! --Kri (talk) 17:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ~~ ,–(o.o)^-–=´ ~~ 

message: Saw this article marked as ; not sure why it was so marked, so converted that flag to the more general  flag instead.
Also, when I encountered this article, I saw a section marked as .  Because I see no sign of actual discussion about a POV dispute, I'm demoting it to , which I understand is a lesser  grade of warning (i.e., not a full-blown POV dispute).  69.140.173.15 05:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just deleted the npov-check, there is no rational about it, even in the talk page. No apparant pov problem in the section. Esurnir 05:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV dispute?