Talk:Islam in the African diaspora

message: let me explain the creation of this page. I do not agree with the redirect of this to Nation of Islam, so I created this article instead. --Revolución (talk) 07:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page creation 

message: there alot more black muslims in america this the ones listed, i listed half a dozen of the top of my head, a couple of hours ago, why has some deleted them.
Muhammad Ali, Professional Boxer 
Chamillionaire, Rapper 
Rasaq, Rapper 
Karim Abdul-Jabbar, Professional NFL football 
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Professional basketball player/Coach 
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Professional basketball player 
Muhsin Muhammad, American football player 
Michael Jackson, American musician 
Jermaine Jackson, Former member of The Jackson 5 and brother of American pop stars Michael Jackson
: There's a big, big difference between Muslims who are black and "Black Muslims". Race is not an important distinction in real Islam, while it is the ONLY distinction in "Black Muslims" and NOI type groups (which are not Islamic). It's absurd to lump them together; this list suggests that people like Dave Chappelle support idiots like Bey, and the Nation of Islam, which isn't true. 216.231.46.147 00:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Muslim List

message: For the purpose of making this article less US-centric and more globel, I am considering removing the African American template. Any objections?--SefringleTalk 04:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a globalized version of this article is needed but, I also think that there are enough notable groups of Black American Muslims to warrant their own article. Perhaps we need two pages. Islam in the African Diaspora and Black Muslims (United States). I propose moving the content on this page to the latter and then turning this into a disambiguation page. CJ 11:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the more proper title would then be African American muslims.--SefringleTalk 03:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about redirecting one to the other? Just so it's clearly associated because that's the terminology that's used here. Kind of like with Black church. CJ 21:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just thought of another problem. There already is an article called Islam in the United States. Chances are if we make this article about African American muslims, it will be merged into that article.--SefringleTalk 23:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd still go for it. If it gets merged, it gets merged. If the content is substantial enough then it'll get split out again. CJ 00:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: globelize article

message: Police raid bakery investigated by slain editor Officials nab 19; operation reportedly connected to Oakland killing.  Is this relevant to the article? 208.203.4.140 21:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Muslim Bakery 

message: I'm looking for some help on improving this article. The article needs to be globalized and referenced. And depending on what we get from various places it may need to be split into multiple articles. Thanks for anyone who can offer any help. CJ 19:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colaboration 

message: Should we really create a list of such Muslims. We already have tens, and we may end up with about a hundred (maybe more) such persons. Shouldn't this article give meaningful coverage to the history and culture of black Muslims?
A second problem is the inclusion of NOI persons in this list. Fard Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad may not be considered Muslims by mainstream scholars, because they claimed to be God and prophet respectively.Bless sins 01:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You do realize that the only NOI people on the list right now are Elijah Muhammad and Louis Farrakan right. Brother Malcolm and Muhammad Ali left the NOI to become Sunni Muslims. There are a ton of other individuals listed in the page comments right below that list and it's my intention over time to make that list short and reflective of the entire diaspora and not just the NOI. If you'd like to help by finding references for notable people to include in the list then please do so. CJ 14:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is why I self reverted. Bless sins 20:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of notable black Muslims

message: I reverted an editor just because the edit had messed up the formatting and now trying to add some names I've messed it up myself. Sorry, and I'm going to ask for help with this. Itsmejudith 08:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table formatting 

message: An earlier post mentioned both Jermaine and Michael Jackson. Jermaine I was aware of from his appearance on the Celebrity Big Brother reality TV show in the UK, but that is obviously not an adequate source. And is there a source for Michael? Itsmejudith 21:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Adherents.com has Michael listed as a member of NOI. But with regard to the list, many of the ones that aren't sourced are going to be pulled out completely probably at the end of the month. It's way too US heavy anyhow. CJ 23:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jacksons 

message: Not a single Muslim on the face of the earth, be they Sunni, Shi'ite, or otherwise, would agree that this bizarre American cult is in any way, shape, or form Islamic. I suggest that all inferences otherwise be removed from this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.18.122 (talk) 20:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Like it or not, the group claims to be Muslim. The article describes the group as "an offshoot of the Nation of Islam (NOI), which was already viewed by traditional Muslims as heretical". — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 00:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "5% Nation".   

message: The article doesn't match the title.  By definition, Africans in Africa are not the diaspora.  So, the section "Islamic heritage in Africa" is pretty useless.  The only non-African area covered, is the U.S..  Islam is obviously a global religion, and the African diaspora portion isn't special.  Even if we need an article for Muslims of African decent, why split the diaspora off?  The redirect Black Muslims should return to Nation of Islam, as that's the one group it's been used consistently to refer to (we can then, mention there any offshoot).  The section "List of notable Muslims in the African diaspora" should be eliminated, or made a separate article.  The fact the list is almost exclusively American, shows it probably can't be fully maintained.  In general this article can never be much good, as it splits related things, and merges unrelated things.  --Rob (talk) 03:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: From my experience with the topic, I would say it is an important issue. Just as we have articles dealing with Islam in certain countries, such as Islam in Iran, Islam in Greece (separate from Greek Muslims), Islam in Japan, and so forth, this would be a valid topic. Islam was integral to the African-American Civil Rights Movement, and is frequently discussed in African-American literature and music, for example 50 Cent's Ghetto Qur'an, or some of Tupac's songs (his mother was Muslim). Muhammad Ali was the virtual face of Islam only a few decades ago, and we can't pin this all on the Nation of Islam technically that community converted to Sunni Islam with a small minority actually joining the recreated Nation of Islam. There is a large amount of influence of Islam in the African-American community, and perhaps that is what this article should be changed to, Islam among African-Americans. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 03:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would support an article titled Islam among African-Americans, as long as it didn't overweight the NOI, like this article does.  I still don't really see much content in this article worth retaining.  --Rob (talk) 06:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with altering the scope somewhat. The current article does seem to be an amalgamation of different topics. I think the Muslim heritage of African Americans and its history is a topic discussed in reliable sources, but the issue is one of how this should be presented (i.e. as its own article, or as a section in another article). ITAQALLAH 21:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  problems with the article 

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