Talk:Quidam

message: A hit among "everyone else" seems like a dangerous generalization and a bit NPOV... perhaps it can be toned down? (The Swami 00:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hit?

message: I'm deleting my original reviews since I just posted them on a separate web page along with my new reviews plus photos of 3 Cincinnati shows; see www.lmlk.com/quidam.  As a historical note of interest, it was these Long Beach performances that inspired me to build up this Quidam entry for the Wikipedia, along with several other pages mentioned in the See Also section (plus a separate entry for the CD mentioned in the Music section).--Funhistory 19:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Long Beach & Cincinnati (2006)

message: Quidam was my first Cirque show too. Vis Versa featured but Hand-balancing was absent as Olga Pikhienko had already left the show to join Varekai. I recall no errors though any number of things could have escaped my observation as it was hard to take stock of everything at times. The clown movie scene went for at least 10 minutes, presumably to compensate for the absent act. No Juggling in Sydney if I recall correctly. (HueyCobra 13:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sydney (2004)

message: Funhistory, I would like to applaud your continued editing and improvement of the Quidam pages (if only we had an editor of your calibre for Alegría!). Regarding the 'pre-show mayhem' ("Show Notes" subsection of the Trivia section), in Sydney 2004 John tuned the radio to play some bars of music from Alegría and Saltimbanco, which had toured Australia in 2001 and 1999 respectively. (During Francesca Gagnon's singing, John mimed gagging at the soppy tune!) Do you think this tongue-in-cheek reference to previous touring shows is standard? HueyCobra 04:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a pre-recorded message that has been identical at each show in its history, completely unrelated to previous shows at each new venue, but I have no way of knowing.  All I can tell you is that the 2 most recent shows in our vicinity have been Dralion & Varekai, & none of their music was played on John's radio.  John's finger-in-the-mouth is standard; I'm sure it's just a sibling-rivalry thing since he's a star in Quidam, & she's an excellent star in Alegría!  By the way, are you 100% positive the clip you heard was from Saltimbanco?  Please listen to the first 10 seconds of "Eclipse".  And thanks for the compliment!  It's the least I can do (aside from emptying my bank account for Quidam tickets) to show my appreciation for these remarkable performers!--Funhistory 22:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now that I think about it, I have no way of knowing what that other music was as I am not particularly familiar with Saltimbanco and have never seen or heard Nouvelle Experience. So I am probably incorrect. However, I think it makes more sense to poke fun at the most recent shows to have previously visited the city. Especially in Australia, where I think Cirque remains a niche interest despite the ticket sales. At any rate, I stand corrected, and won't presume to tell the troupe how to run their show! HueyCobra 07:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: John's Radio Stations

message: I've moved this discussion content to the discussion page for the Quidam CD.--Funhistory 00:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Enhanced CD Stuff

message: Quoting the article: "Banquine 
An Italian acrobatic tradition going back to the Middle Ages that combines gymnastics and ballet. Showcasing the agility of the human body (in Russian it means "to bend"[...]"
Well, Russian is my native language, but I am not aware of any Russian word that means "to bend" and sounds even remotely close to "banquine".
* Thank you, anonymous, for sharing your insight!  I obtained it from a Cirque FAQ written by Ricky Russo--
:: [7.7] What is "Banquine"?
:: "Banquine" is an Italian acrobatic tradition which goes as far
:: back as the Middle Ages. It is a combination of gymnastics and
:: ballet. The literal definition of the word in Russian is "To Bend".
: I too suspected it was in conflict with a supposedly Italian acrobatic tradition.  Since it's no big deal, I don't mind deleting it.--Funhistory 05:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Banquine=Bend?

message: I don't know if I'm just missing something dumb, but it seems to me that there is another piece of music playing during the Hoops descent (before Séisouso) that isn't listed in the article or on the CD. Does anyone know what that is, or is it, too, unpublished?
: Unpublished (aside from being on the video).  I love that piano!  A segment of it is included on the enhanced CD program.  There's another completely unpublished clip of music on that program that I've been meaning to mention here.  It's not used on the video, & it's not very memorable, so that's probably why it got dropped (or was never used in the actual show).--Funhistory 14:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unpublished Aerial Hoops Melody

message: I'm pretty sure that Aerial Straps, when it was still an act in Quidam (now that it's in Corteo), was not placed between German Wheel and Diabolos. I can't put my finger on where it is, but I think it's somewhere in the second act. Also, the clown acts aren't placed in the correct places, so maybe the part where it says "in order of appearance" should be removed.
: I just got back from seeing 3 shows in Cincinnati, & will have several minor updates to the order of the show.  But a quick response regarding Straps is that at one point, it opened the show instead of German Wheel.  That's why I positioned it near the beginning.  Maybe I'll just clarify the notes about the order.  Give me a few days.  I'm so excited!  I was able to speak to a few of the performers (10--but who's counting?) briefly last night, & saw a special performance of Banquine along with the show's founders (Guy & Franco) who attended Thursday night's show.--Funhistory 04:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Aerial Straps

message: I just obtained a copy of the Running Order published by Michelin for the 2000/2001 England shows, which lists "Petit Salon", "Hoops", "Darts", & "Coat Rack" as the official names.  Unfortunately it does not name the airwalking segue, or the Egares transformation scenes.  Nonetheless, it is still nice to know these names.  I am so upset with myself that I didn't seek out a similar Running Order brochure at the Cincinnati shows last week.  They're supposedly available at a special American Express booth, which was probably located in the tickets trailer, but it didn't jump out at me, & I totally forgot.--Funhistory 15:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Official Minor Act Names

message: A group of wiki users disinterested in Quidam deleted the the List of Quidam's itinerary page, & expressed the opinion that info such as the Official Programs section does not belong on Wikipedia.  What I like about Wikipedia is that it contains information not assembled anywhere else.  Their policy to not allow links to fan sites, combined with their new campaign to eliminate fan material such as I've assembled on this main Quidam page, will eventually produce a Wikipedia that I (& presumably many others) will have no interest in visiting.  With less info on Wikipedia, Google results will be primarily other sites that are more information-rich.--Funhistory 14:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Quidam's Itinerary

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:CirqueDuSoleilQuidam.jpg

message: You didn't undo anything in my revision other than re-adding a tag which states that the problems you have with it are on the talk page...and there aren't any postings from you here. Re-adding a tag and not doing what it states lends itself to problems and isn't helping anything ("See talk page for details"). Accordingly, I have removed the tag as it gets us nowhere. Everything in this article appears to be from the pages cited at the bottom. While I concur they could be cited better, they aren't OR (unless you have specifics?)
The other tag you "undid" is a change, which I have no problem with as the tag you now have in there states that the article needs more references, not has no references, but giving a misleading edit summary in order to make it appear as if you "fixed" and undid an edit of mine is dishonest/misleading. — BQZip01 — talk 06:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Great. Thanks for following the letter of that tag and not the spirit. Most of this article is (and has been since its creation) original research. There are limited to no references for anything in it. If all the OR was removed it would be reduced to an article about the CD. That CD isn't notable and would probably qualify for deletion. So, the tag is here to remind readers that material in this article isn't backed up by any sources whatsoever. Please don't remove it again. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 06:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I guess you just ignored the last 10 or so references I added before your post? — BQZip01 — talk 07:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

text: *Some of the references are simply contained in the sentence itself (like the lead). Others aren't as clear, but this information simply doesn't have footnotes (which aren't required by Wikipedia). There are other methods... — BQZip01 — talk 07:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *You added 7. They support 1 sentence in this article. I wouldn't call that a vast improvement in supporting the amount of original research still present within it. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 07:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yeah..."ten or so"=7 (but realize one footnote actually had two sources). They support all four sentences in the paragraph in which they are contained. I never said it was a vast improvement, but to state that the article contains "no references" is incorrect and misleading. As I stated before, there are other references. Some are included within the sentences ("According to...") and others are at the end of the article. — BQZip01 — talk 21:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *OK and my point is that 1 sentence does not equal the entire article. I've changed the tag so I don't know why you're still arguing about this. Who cares? Cumulus Clouds (talk) 21:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tags

message: It would be nice if someone could clarify what is the language for each of the songs on the sountrack. Some are clearly having English/Spanish/French passages, but most of the songs seem to be sung in some other language -- what is it? Or is it just a Dadaist nonsense?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.97.82.220 (talk) 22:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, the other songs, aside from the title track, like most other Cirque du Soleil songs, are sung in an imaginary language.  CDS mentions this throughout their official website.--Funhistory (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language of the soundtrack? 

message: As I've been editing CdS articles for some time, I've wrestled with this decision, but should the "Sequence of Acts" be removed?  It does seem to be original research based upon the DVD.  There are no references for it either... Thoughts?  (Brent.austin (talk) 16:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed on 2011-04-27 by 24.86.235.8. (Brent.austin (talk) 03:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sequence of Acts 

message: What should be considered in the external links?  I was reading WP:EL, and I feel that some of the links are not relevant, for instance the link to Patrick McGuire and the article about Quidam in Ontario.  The first doesn't provide much information about Quidam, and the second is a standard news site saying Quidam will be visiting.  In contrast, I feel the Zoe Actress link provides more detail about the inner workings of Cirque, but is somewhat similar to the McGuire link.  Anyone have any thoughts?  I just cleaned up the link section as most of the links were dead, but I wanted to get feedback on these two specifically.  Thanks! (Brent.austin (talk) 18:48, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

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