Talk:San Ysidro McDonald's massacre

message: Is there any evidence that he targeted Hispanics? If so, it should be noted in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.160.29 (talk) 07:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Hispanic? 

message: This is currently categorized under Murder-Suicide, but the article states that the gunman was killed by a police sniper. Is there something I'm missing here? 70.7.133.200 (talk) 03:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, that's puzzling.  Maybe it refers to "suicide by cop"?    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Murder-Suicide"? 

message: Wasn't there also some guy in the mid nineties who shot up a McDonald's. I vaugley remeber it happening after that move "Falling Down" came out. Maybe I was just hearing the story wrong and they were referring back to this incident.
You are thinking about the Luby's massacre in Texas, but there was a movie called Bloody Wednesday and it is on Amazon.com TVSRR 19:34, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copycat Crime 

message: :Freeman MacNeil is now  (25 years until parole eligibilty is reached) in a maximum security prison in Renous, New Brunswick.
This was a weird sentence, so I rewrote it. However, I don't have the information about the actual criminal sentencing. The sentence as quoted above (as it originally appeared), in addition to being terribly written, is ambiguous. 25 years from the time this article was written, or 25 years from the sentencing? Someone with knowledge of the subject should clear that up. Torgo 22:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrote awkward sentence 

message: This article for some reason discusses two different incidents, although the incidents are largely unrelated accept for the fact that they both took place at McDonald's restaurants. joturner 03:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: I work in the news industry in San Diego (the market includes San Ysidro), and have never heard the term McMurder.  An internet search did reveal use of the term, but it's hardly widespread enough to be cited in an encyclopedia.  (For reference, "McFart" and "McTrash" all return lots of hits on Google, but we don't include separate sections on them.)  Any comments before I change the name of the article, and its references?  Photomikey 03:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term McMassacre returns mostly hits directly relevant to this case. I'm not sure that there are enough search-engine hits for the term to justify its inclusion at the moment, though. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 01:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  McMurder? 

message: It's been said that Huberty carried a boombox to the massacre with him, and blasted the song, "Warrior" by the group Scandal as he shot people. The lyrics seem pretty surreal if this is true. Is there any way this can be confirmed and included in the article?
I heard this story too, but the version I heard said that the song came over the radio and Huberty danced around to it as he shot people. Sounds like an urban legend to me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.191.25 (talk) 17:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember reading about this event in the National Enquirer my grandparents had at our family cabin. I believe it was specifically mentioned in that article that he played "Warrior" from a boombox because the image of it in my head is still strong and the only source I read about it from was this one article. I also remember it mentioning people trying to hide under tables and I remember as a child trying to think of ways to escape or hide if anything like that happened. The music part stuck in my brain the clearest. Anyone try tracking down the National Enquirer article on this? We all know it was horrible journalism but might solve this mystery. 2600:8802:5522:9D00:31C6:697:C5AF:B95C (talk) 03:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The more I think of it, the more I remember it being on the cover of the National Enquirer as the headline.  This might be why so many people remember it - not many people bought the National Enquirer but most anyone who went through the line of any grocery store saw their headlines every week whether you wanted to or not. If it wasn't the Enquirer, it was the rival rag at the time, but I can't remember that name. 2600:8802:5522:9D00:31C6:697:C5AF:B95C (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a small portable radio near the service counter (if memory serves me correct it belonged to one of the employees). At one point in the massacre, according to several survivors, he abruptly began searching the frequency spectrum. Some thought he was searching for radio broadcasts of his actions, but he left the dial at an unknown/unnamed radio station, then placed the radio back on the counter and resumed shooting. The radio is depicted on at least one diagram of the scene after he was felled.--Kieronoldham (talk) 03:41, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Music?

message: In 1964, I was Jim's mentor as an apprentice embalmer/funeral director in Canton OH.
 He liked to talk about his father being a portrait artist but never mentioned his mother or siblings. He was fasinated by guns.
He exhibited very anti-social behavoir. His co-workers thought of him as odd and he had no friends that I recall. 
During viewing hours at the funeral home, if people stayed beyond the normalvisiting hours, he would pace back and forth mutter "get out". If that failed, he would start turning out the lights.  I cautioned him about that type of behavoir and he told me he didn't care.
With something like three monts of employment he was fired for improper conduct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rdcmadmax (talk • contribs) 19:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently his wife was a piece of work too, had some strange history of her own. She also sued McDonalds afterward saying chemicals in their food contributed to his psychotic behavior.TheDarkOneLives (talk) 02:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past Work History/behavoir 

message: The opening paragraph says 21, but the list of names says 22. So, how many were killed?Jlujan69
    *22 Including him died in the incident, but he killed 21 personally.
     what I want to know is if there were 15 injuries or 19 injuries, because it states both in the article  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heatsketch (talk • contribs) 10:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  how many victims? 

message: Does anyone have a detailed timeline of this event?  It was probably printed in the local papers at the time.  Also, were there any policy changes that came about from this?  I vaguely remember the police being roundly criticized for allowing him to live so long, but don't know if anything came of it.
:The criticism has been added.--Rockero 00:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline or Aftermath? 

message: Does anyone know if there was anyone that was not injured at all?
JP
: The video I reference shows a number of people exiting the premises who look to be uninjured, some in McDonalds uniforms. TheDarkOneLives (talk) 02:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  anyone uninjured 

message: Looks like it was put in around the time someone didn't want him to become mayor. He won anyway. Besides, the "local" (Spanish language) newspaper quoted is totally unknown to me, and I've been a San Diego local my whole life. That paper seemed to be more than a bit biased, feel free to quote the San Diego Union-Tribune or CNN if you feel Jerry Sanders was drunk and couldn't find his car keys while some wacko shot up the town.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.6.196 (talk) 19:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  deleted the old anti-Mayor Sanders newspaper article quotes 

message: I remember reading in a tennis magazine in the 80's that Jimmy Connors was so moved by the tragedy that he called his hated rival Ivan Lendl, at home, to request they do a charity match to raise money for the victims' families and survivors' medical bills. Lendl apparently agreed immediately. I have tried to source this through the Internets, so far without success. If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. I think its worth adding if cited because these two loathed each other (and probably still do...) and its a measure of how shocking this incident was to a nation who had yet to experience the future regular stranger-shootings that followed... Plutonium27 (talk) 22:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aftermath: Charity tennis match 

message: My source for edits concerning his life in Canton in the second paragraph are sourced from Time Life Books "Mass Murderers". Kaltenborn (talk) 01:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, then add the reference and everybody'll be happy and dance the dance of happyness and joy. Otherwise a horde of zombified Wikipedians will invade your home and eat your  buttocks.  BTW, what's the deeper meaning of this post? Do you want anyone else to add the ref for you? (Lord Gøn (talk) 16:02, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits as of 9-9-08

message: Well, maybe this is not the right place to ask this, but I know that there is a book about the case, published in the late 80s or early 90s, if I remember correctly, though I don't know its title and thus cannot find it anymore. Maybe someone here can help me out and tell me what I am looking for. Thanks. (Lord Gøn (talk) 14:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 

message: I have taken part of the aftermath section out and put it here to see if it can be sourced - the unsourced tag has been there for a long time.
:A scene in the 1984 war movie Red Dawn that featured Russian soldiers eating at a McDonald's and a tank driving onto the parking lot was withheld out of respect for the victims.
An editor created the section "Trivia", splitting this statement off into that section, but rather than open a new section for this comment alone (a section which maybe couldn't be expanded beyond this claim) a source should be found for the comment, and then if notable it should maybe be included in the body instead of it's own section. Weakopedia (talk) 15:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As originally integrated into the article, this statement constituted "trivia" (and quite frankly, I'm tired of editors trying to pass "trivia" off as "In Popular Culture". Call it what it is, or get rid of it). This content *might* have a place in the article - though personally I don't see it - but if so, it should be integrated in such a way as it does not fall into the category of "trivia". As well, a valid reference is required. =//= Proxy User (talk) 15:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in Film 

message: I'm reading this article on 10 Aug 2011. The articles states:
" The massacre began at 3:40 p.m. "
- and -
"law enforcement and emergency crews responded ...  at 3:15 p.m."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.187.176.199 (talk) 06:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted the "responded at 3:15" paragraph; it didn't show any sources, and the time was obviously in error. Also added another ref with a detailed timeline that conflicts somewhat with the 3:40 start, but didn't modify that text. Fat&Happy (talk) 16:32, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline problem 

message: So back to the topic at hand, is the use of the word "massacre" in this article title encyclopedic or accurately descriptive of the event from a Wikipedia standpoint? Or does it simply serve to titilate and/or reinforce Google searches for the term in association with tragic events? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 18:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Lacking the motivation to get into such things as Google search arguments and hit counts and separating the wheat from the chaff, I took a look at the gold standard of RS (imo), The New York Times. They seem to like "massacre" more than "shooting". They refer to "shooting rampage" some, but still less than "massacre". Almost all of this is pre-2004. I could do the same for The Washington Post, but I suspect I'd get similar results. That's good enough for me. Yes, "massacre" has a tabloid feel that I don't like, but that's pretty much beside the point. Mandruss (talk) 03:18, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: continuation

message: One of the victims was pregnant.  Shouldn't the kill count be 22?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 00:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: 22 killed(including an unborn baby)

message: "When Huberty and his family moved from Ohio to Tijuana, Mexico in October 1983, he left all but the most essential of his family's possessions in storage, but ensured he brought his gun arsenal with him."
Although it is cited, [and I do not have access to the cited work] the chance of a random US citizen being allowed to import firearms into Mexico is so unlikely that this is likely nonsense. This is not even considering bringing "his arsenal" back across the US border. I'm not going to edit the page, but I hope someone has the resources to clarify the facts. The most effectual Bob Cat (talk) 10:20, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I own that book. I found it hard to believe too, but that's what the reference states. If you can find a reference that negates this, be my guest.--Kieronoldham (talk) 21:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  He took his guns to Mexico? 

message: In the film section should add
"In 1993 film falling down William Foster (played by Michael Douglas) enters a greeked version of McDonald's with a bag of  guns and threatens the staff and customers in order to get a breakfast sandwich after it has stopped being served"
should be added Warmallis0n (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It is not clear from the request how or if this movie scene is directly related to the real-life event. If the movie scene was directly inspired, then we need reliable sources stating this. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2020 

message: Please rename the "Redundancy" section to "Unemployment" or anything else that properly describes its contents.  "Redundant" is a British and maybe other-country term that Americans never use with this meaning.  2601:5C6:8081:35C0:A8E5:6BA1:F532:FED (talk) 00:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorted. Was in the sources.--Kieronoldham (talk) 01:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2020 

message: The Prior to the Incident section mentions the mental health clinic worker getting the shooter's name wrong.  They presumably had his phone number, so the name would not be a factor in the clinic calling back.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:243:1C80:4160:5485:529C:391E:3CB4 (talk) 00:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: They would have handled the "non-crisis" inquiry within 48 hours. His wife went through the yellow pages (I think after he'd stormed out of the household) contacting clinic after clinic in the hope of finding the right one. As the operative had listed the name as Shouberty, when she contacted the correct clinic, she was told nobody with her husband's surname had attempted to contact the clinic that day.--Kieronoldham (talk) 19:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the additional color.  I think that background would make the relevance clearer.  On another note, it seems somewhat perplexing that she had to find that exact one rather than any one that would respond if she felt it was an emergency.  Although based on the timeline (after he stormed out on his way to the McDonald's), it may have been too late. 2601:243:1C80:4160:1B8:DDD8:C86B:5E79 (talk) 21:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added info. to a note, with a reference. Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 21:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of Wrong Name in Lack of Callback 

message: In the aftermath paragraph, CNN is cited using an article discussing the polices changes in training as a result of the massacre. ( "The police department increased training for special units and purchased more powerful firearms in order to better equip law enforcement to respond to scenarios of this magnitude." ) When opening this link ( I believe its no. 52 ) the page is blank, is there any other fitting article it could be replaced with? 212.219.255.65 (talk) 11:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me when I try and access it.--Kieronoldham (talk) 15:17, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing source? 

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