Talk:Paramount leader

message: Anyone follows the Chinese communist politic would know that there is always in-party fighting and constant behind the scene life-or-death power struggle. To start with, Hu Jintao may be the Chairman of the Central Military Commission, but the real power that commands the PLA is not in his hand. In the true sense, Hu is not yet THE paramount leader, but on the outside, he is. This is the complexicity of Chinese politic; there is a lot of guess work. Arilang   talk 22:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Power struggle

message: I know Wikipedia is not a crystal ball but Reliable sources are now consistently saying that Xi Jinping is expected to take over Hu's position(s) next year as a new generation of leadership transitions in. This seems like valuable information to include in the article but I honestly couldn't figure out where to put it. some sources . and pretty much any time a newspaper talks about Joe Biden visiting China, or anytime Xi Jinping is mentioned there is some mention that he is presumed to be the sucessor to Hu. - Metal lunchbox (talk) 23:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we can afford to be somewhat patient with this one. Until Xi take over in November 2012 first as General Secretary... we can update the article then... Colipon+(Talk) 00:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems reasonable. - Metal lunchbox (talk) 01:04, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next generation 

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message: While the term "paramount leader" is well attested in relation to Deng Xiaoping and (less so) Mao Zedong, the claims that it also applies to Jiang, Hu and Xi are in decreasing order of acceptance. The article as it stands now provides no citations for its most central claims - the two citations which have been provided relate to peripheral claims only. Unless better citation can be provided, it seems wholly inappropriate to claim that, for example, Xi is called a paramount leader. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 14:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed and original research tags 

message: I don't know if it is appropriate for Wikipedia to prescribe the 'end date' for Deng Xiaoping's tenure as 'paramount leader'. It is unsourced and totally dubious - and would need to be substantiated. Deng Xiaoping's informal authority, some scholars believe, continued well into the 1990s. Others say he lost it before his "southern tour" of 1992... so it really depends on who you ask when Deng was paramount "until". Colipon+(Talk) 04:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Second that. It reflects the more general issues with this article - it contains a great deal of original research by an editor who has convinced himself or herself that "paramount leader" is a real position. All that can be said reliably, based on actual pronouncements by the leadership, is that Deng was and was acknowledged to be the "paramount leader" at least until 1989, anything after that date is debatable. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 10:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And I third that - looking through this article, and the bios of Deng Xiaopeng and Jiang Zemin, I see nothing that would indicate the significance of "12 October 1992" as any kind of  milestone date. Where did this figure come from? Peter G Werner (talk) 02:41, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

text: The Communist Party's officially summary of its history regards the Deng-Jiang transition as taking place at the 4th Plenum of the Thirteenth Central Committee (Jun. 23-24 1989). I will use this date since it is at least somewhat official. Metuselth (talk) 06:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deng's 'enddate' is not certain 

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replies: text: Agreed. I'm removing it. - Tronno ( t | c ) 20:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's up with this "timeline" image. It is incomprehensible. 

message: 最高 should be translated as "top". Why does the article use "paramount"?
Translating 最高领导人 to "paramount leader" is just weird. The term "top leader" would be accurate. Even "supreme leader" would be a much better alternative compared to "paramount leader".
Should the term "paramount leader" be changed? Pacerier (talk) 02:31, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is simply tradition discourse. Google those two terms with date range before Wikipedia (e.g. 2000) to see that both terms have been used before then. "Paramount leader" was already the dominant term for Chinese leadership, while "supreme leader" was already in use for Iran and North Korea. --207.96.108.179 (talk) 04:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is 最高 translated to "paramount"?

message: What do the “Beijing At-large (49–76)” etc. refer to? These must be made clear. --Kaihsu (talk) 17:57, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beijing At-large (49–76)? 

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