Talk:Changeling

message: Demonic imps as the incubus could have been blamed for the conception of traditionally deformed children beyond a nature which would have been diagnosed considering conceptual photos of the demon stalking the crib are only conceptual.  
The like concept conveyed through the books of Enoch.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.44.178.73 (talk) 02:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Congenital Factor

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In one Swedish changeling tale, the troll child grows up at a farm while the human child grows up among the trolls. Everyone advises the human mother to brutalize the changeling so that the trolls would change children once more. However, the woman refuses to treat the innocent but maladapted troll child cruelly and persists in treating it as if it was her own. In the end, her husband tries to burn the young troll, but the woman rescues it, so the man takes him on a walk to kill it in the forest. Somehow, he regrets his decision and saves the life of the troll. Suddenly, his own son returns and tells his father that his kindness broke the spell and liberated him. Every time someone tried to be cruel to the troll, his troll mother was about to treat the human child in the same manner.
In another Swedish fairy tale (which is depicted by the image), a princess is kidnapped by trolls and replaced with their own offspring against the wishes of the troll mother. The changelings grow up with their new parents, and both become beautiful young females, but they find it hard to adapt. The human girl is disgusted by her future bridegroom, a troll prince, whereas the troll girl is bored by her life and by her dull human future groom. By coincidence, they both go astray into the forest upset with the conditions of their lives, and happen to pass each other without noticing it. The princess comes to the castle whereupon the queen immediately recognizes her, and the troll girl finds a troll woman who is cursing loudly as she works. The troll girl bursts out that the troll woman is much more fun than any other person she has ever seen, and her mother happily sees that her true daughter has returned. Both the human girl and the troll girl marry happily the very same day.
These entries are just not encyclopaedic enough; at the very least we need to give a name to these stories, and the entries need paring down and rewriting.  Exploding Boy 01:41, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
:Well, Exploding Boy, if tales like these aren't relevant, the article is neither. The changeling legend exists through this kind of tales. I am impressed with you Salleman. I added the tales, but you instantly found references when needed. Good work!--Wiglaf 08:18, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have ignored your "cleanup tag" because I thought it unwarranted, and would rather leave it to YOU. If you really think the article needs cleanup, clean it up yourself.--Wiglaf 08:33, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

text: No, but there are some people around at Wikipedia who seem to get a powertrip from adding cleanup tags on articles (I am not thereby saying that you're one of them). If you check the edit history, you'll see that I have restored nothing. Please, go ahead.--Wiglaf 08:39, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: I have included this section - which is a stub - here as it covers a topic which relates indirectly to changelings. It requires some further development, and then could be a separate page. Jackiespeel 16:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Replacement people in modern literature and films

message: There's no need to discuss non-traditional uses (e.g. in science fiction) of the word "changeling" in this article, as that is adequately covered by the other uses redirect. RandomCritic 03:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Removed: "In the Star Trek series Deep Space Nine, chief security officer Odo is a changeling." as being misleading, and probably misinformed.  The related DS9 wiki sites talk about the Star Trek shapechanging race called Changeling. Mourdrydd 05:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was confused by these inclusions as well. There are still a batch of these in lists at the end of the article, including that Deep Space Nine episode. The so-called "shape-shifters" seem to have nothing to do with the definition of changeling given at the top of the article. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 22:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: non-changeling "Changelings"

message: Magic Street by Orson Scott Card (Mack, child of the fairy Puck, is discovered abandoned in a plastic bag and raised in the human world.) 74.74.251.190 (talk) 00:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  potential addition to literature list? 

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In parts of Ireland, left handed people are sometimes thought to be changeling fae.
It has been tagged as needing a source since March, 2007. Since it is presented as a current belief, which frankly looks very unlikely, it does need a source. --Bonadea (talk) 09:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed sentence from the Ireland section

message: There is no fact for it and it's missing source.
"Changelings were said to feed on their mothers and to leave odd bruises in the back of their necks as a result. The feeding process could take weeks, until the mother was drained dry. Anything or anyone that prohibited the Changeling's nutrition would be mercilessly killed. Simple charms, such as an inverted coat, were thought to ward them off. The best way to get rid of a changeling is to make them laugh. The parents of a changeling child will have no choice but to take back their baby and leave the real baby or child behind."--Elsan (talk) 02:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Second paragraph: sources from Supernatural

message: This is more just speculation on my part, but does anyone notice that the traditional traits of many changelings seem to line up with the symptoms of Asperger's syndrome?68.164.0.242 (talk) 18:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: that's already discussed in the article, along with a few other theorys  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.187.53 (talk) 06:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here to discuss this. is there a reason the article doesn't mention disability in the opening of the article? Maybe we could move the first sentence from the medical section to the summary? I am disabled and it feels more inclusive this way. The current tone sounds like it was written from a purely able-bodied perspective.Damien.Otis.x (talk) 22:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Reaction to Asperger's syndrome?

message: The following comment was left on the article itself, and I'm moving it here:
Whoever is going to edit this, can somebody please define what changeling is in the movie "Changeling" directed by Clint Eastwood and starring Angelina Jolie? Much appreciated! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.201.127 (talk • contribs)   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Claviola (talk • contribs) 00:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Changelings in popular culture

message: I would suggest, if mentioning The Stolen Child at all, we should probably also reference the original, from which the title to the Keith Donohue novel was almost certainly taken.  --24.141.226.244 (talk) 07:11, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Butler Yeats' poem 

message: I've requested a citation to support the claim that "In the book The Stolen Child, Keith Donohue talks about the life of a changeling from the point of view of two boys, one of whom was evidently autistic" - I've read the book and there is certainly no explicit claim in it that the character is autistic, so this would seem to me to be original research. I'll give it a month or so to see if anyone responds, and then delete the whole sentence  ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 18:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just re-read the novel: the only reference to a person with autism is, in fact, about a previous incarnation rather than one of the two protagonists. I've removed the offending sentence  ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 14:49, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keith Donohue's novel 

message: As well as the fantasy meanings, "Changeling" is also used to describe a person substituted for a stillborn child.  Such substitutions were usually made with a view to fraudulently establishing or maintaining a dynastic succession.  For example, when James II of England's son James Francis Edward Stuart (who became known in later years as "The Old Pretender") was born there were widespread rumours that he was a changeling introduced into his mother's bed hidden in a warming pan.  Such politically motivated rumours were spread to try and discredit the royal succession.     
If someone can produce a verifiable reference for this "commonly known fact" - the additional meaning could be added.
Wings Tanar (talk) 17:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional Meaning 

message: :Perhaps the changeling myths of this time period reflect the feudal political structure, where inheritance is the only real way to gain personal or political power.  A monarch gave the throne to his first surviving son at his own death.  When there was any doubt to the legitimacy of the child, the power of the very state could be called into question and a fight for political power could arise.  This inherent fear of war caused by political strife could have been mythologized.
Not only is this unsourced, it is by its own admission purely hypothetical.  Goldfritha (talk) 03:24, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Cutting

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message: As per the title, the section Changelings in Popular Culture has been entirely purged twice (once in 2015 and the other in 2017) with little explanation other than contempt for trivia by the editors. I believe that the IPC sections in articles are one of the most iconic and unique (among encyclopedias) features of Wikipedia and an acknowledgment of the fact that the pop culture of today is what will be called "literary history" of the future. I think this is doubly important for seminal literary concepts that have become powerful metaphors whose meaning is enriched by every iteration, as is the case with Changeling.
Unless strongly opposed, I plan to restore the section and most of the old entries. I'll do my best to leave out the most tangential or irrelevant applications of the concept, but going by a quick skim, I'll be restoring more than I'll be leaving out.
I welcome discussion regarding this matter.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maokun (talk • contribs) 13:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undo purges to "In Popular Culture" 

message: Herodotus (The Histories, 1.138) says this of the Persians
They say that no one has ever yet killed his father or mother; when such a thing has been done, it always turns out on inquest that the doer is shown to be a changeling or the fruit of adultery; for it is not to be believed (say they) that a son should kill his true parent.
See http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hdt.+1.138&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126
However, I'm not sure what is meant by changeling here, and it's probably about 2000 years older than any of the other material in the article as it was written around 430BC, so I'm not adding anything to the article.Housecarl (talk) 05:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Ancient Persia 

message: Not good at reading 105.161.41.160 (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aliens