Talk:Chuck Schuldiner

message: This article has contained dead links to citations for a very long time. We should try to retrieve the citations on the internet, I'm working on it with little success. --189.123.221.111 (talk) 19:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many dead links

message: This article states that Schuldiner began playing guitar at the age of 9, however in the book "Choosing Death" by Albert Mudrian, he is quoted saying "When I first started the band I'd only been playing guitar for six or seven months, I couldn't even play a lead". Schuldiner was 15 at the time that Mantas was formed. Can anyone clarify this?  Answer: his mother has stated that Chuck had his first guitar following his brother Frank's accidental death, in hopes it would help his grieving. This doesn't mean that Chuck actually studied or played the guitar at that young age. The biography by Mudrian could certainly still be correct as Chuck might not have started seriously playing until he was a teenager. A Sniper 
Someone needs to fill out more biography information. Jon Seitz 21:06, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
hey as it stands, seeing as who he was, this article is a joke but i'm gonna help make it better, IM me:AIM itzelial if you have any information i could use, like if you have old metal edge magazines or whatever, whatever is relevant and can be verified. problem is of course, his death was just before the internet age, all the of information isn't on the web, so this article needs a expert - chuck super fan - or at least somebody who can discuss this with me and others and work towards getting this article worthy of the man it represents. Mithotyn 01:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the exact place is unknown and this is the closest fit. I also agree that the exact place must be found (if the information is even out there). FireCrystal (talk) 00:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: this bio on Chuck

message: "Although Schuldiner never married or had children, he was engaged to a woman named Kim when he died. The couple's marriage may have been postponed by Schuldiner's cancer treatments." -- I never heard of this before. Can somebody please provide a source for this!!?? It was added by an anon! 
The couple's marriage may have been postponed. Is this speculation perhaps? It was even worse before with "probably been postponed".
If nobody doesn't provide a source for this I'll remove it. Death2 13:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not verified

message: "He was also an innovator and pioneer of the death metal genre itself. On a creative level, Death was one of the first bands to implement jazz structure in death metal."
He was not an innovator or a pioneer of "the death metal genre itself". There are many death metal bands that predate Death, and death were more of a deathrash band really IMO.
Death WAS NOT one of the first bands to implement jazz structure in death metal. God who the hell put that there? Death NEVER had a jazz-influenced style of death metal. If you are going to say The Sound of Perseverance did (to which you are wrong anyhow), I will tell you that Death's later stuff was PROGRESSIVE metal. Just because it is 'progressive' does not mean it was jazz-styled. If any idiot here thinks they know more about death metal than I; I suggest you take a peak at the [death metal page] before making a fool of yourself.
I am now going to change/remove this, and please, Chuck-fanboys: don't just change it back again...I like Death, but you don't have to idolize Chuck and the band.
Last night I removed something from the intro about Chuck being 'one of the greatest and most influential guitarists in metal history'. That is idiocy. Sure, I too think he was good, but there is no need to present such an OPINION (which I would say is not true) in an online ENCYCLOPAEDIA. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Isilioth (talk • contribs) 08:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of the earlier death metal bands had huge thrash influences, which is natural as death metal mostly evolved from thrash, except that especially in Europe many bands had a more hardcore punk background (Carcass, Bolt Thrower, Napalm Death, Entombed). Besides which death metal bands really predate Death/Mantas (ie. are founded earlier than 1983)? Death is defnitively one of the most influential death metal bands - that's undeniable. Spearhead 08:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, he was an innovator of Death Metal (although Death were never as heavy as any of the other death metal bands to come in the next 3 years after their debut), but why does Chuck deserve more credit than any of the other death metal musicians? He contributed to death metal: but no more than any of the other guys in the early death metal years. If you go to a page on any other dm musician from that era, you won't find much about them being oh so innovative and contributed oh so much. This is due to there being so many "Chuck-fanboy"s. There are too many people who idolize him. I assume it was you, A Sniper, who now changed the intro to "On a creative level, Death was one of the first bands to implement more of a progressive style into death metal. ". That is not true either. Death didn't become progressive until the mid-late 90s (not sure on album release years), and which time they stopped being death metal. I am hence going to remove this. Please note that I do like Death, but i hate the way they are portrayed as being the be-all, end-all. Let's try to create an article that shows some the straight facts, and not something biased due to everyone loving Death so much. Chuck might have been an "innovator", but why do people have to give him special treatment over all the other death metal musicians... The Answer: Because he's dead. --Isilioth
Almost any reference on Schuldiner (music reference publications, metal writers, tape traders, etc.) consider him to have been an 'innovator' of the genre, dead or alive. This is merely fact. I agree with you that idolizing Schuldiner has no place on Wikipedia (hence why fawning gush about Schuldiner being the 'greatest guitarist' to ever live, etc., has been edited out), but neither has diminishing a person's accomplishments. A Sniper 21:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The intro about him... 

message: "Later in his career Schuldiner cited progressive metal bands such as Watchtower, Dream Theater, and Queensryche frequently as influences. Chuck's mother claims that he enjoyed all forms of music except country and rap. He also apparently particularly enjoyed jazz and classical music in addition to metal and British alternative acts such as Lush."
This is not correct, http://www.emptywords.org/Pit06-99.htm.
"I could sit here all day naming players that I grew up on that inspired me, but very few players in the '90s interest me at all. Take John Petrucci from DREAM THEATER. He is a great technical player but his playing doesn't give me that feeling in my gut that I feel when I hear Dave Murray play. "
XXMurderSoulXx 08:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dream Theater??

message: If his father was Jewish and his mom was a convert to judaism, but he lived in a  irreligious home, I think the religion part should be trimmed abit. It is about chuck, and since he said religion doesn't play a part in his music, I think it would be fitting that it doesn't play much of a part in this artical in his memory.--Equilibriummike (talk) 14:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the facts should nevertheless be stated. Chuck's Mom Jane converted to Judaism, and Chuck was considered Jewish at birth. Chuck never denied this fact throughout his life and self-identified as "Jewish". I agree that no particular issue re: religion should be focused upon in the article, but the facts describe the man and should therefore remain. What idea did you have re: trimming?  Cheers, A Sniper 12:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It just seems unnecessarily long and meaningless to his legacy, considering it didn't really play a big part in who he was, or what he did. Not saying it shouldn't be stated but I think others would agree that it's to much for this article. What idea for trimming? I don't know, I would maybe leave that to others who contributed to this article.--Equilibriummike (talk) 01:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  religion should be cut down 

message: I regret that the above user appears to be trolling articles I've contributed to and making blanking attempts, deletions, and whatever else. This appears to be based on malicious intent (for want of any other explanation) and not on verifiability, good faith or interest in the article topics. Cheers, A Sniper (talk) 21:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: RE: [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|Single-purpose account]] [[User:Jackmantas|Jackmantas]]

message: I am questioning the neutrality of this article. Particularily the assertion that "Music Biographers" have referred to Mr. Schuldiner as "The Father of Death Metal" If "Music Biographers" (plural) have referred to him by this title then why is the editor who is adding this information only able to provide one (single) reference to back up this assertion? Also, the reference he is using is a very obscure website ("All Music"). Also, who has ever heard of this writer that is making this rather misguided claim? (Ed Rivadavia?) Bring in a writer like Malcolm Dome from Kerrang Magazine or somebody like that and then you will have an expert on this subject.
When  you visit this website (All music.com) you will see a menu of different categories of music that you can click on and they are: Rock, Jazz, R&B,Rap,Country ,Blues, World, Electronica, Classical and More.
Click on "more" and you still don't see even Heavy Metal, much less Death Metal. You are going to try to tell me that this website is an authority on the subject of Death Metal? I'm having my doubts. Regardless, he hasn't produced more than one source, so the editor's assertion that multiple music biographers have referred to him as "The Father of Death Metal" has not been verified. 
Now on to the subject of a conflict of interest. This editor, Username: A Sniper,  was by his own admission, the manager for Mr. Schuldiner, so he would seem to have a vested interest in asserting this "Father of Death Metal" claim as a statement of fact. Thus, I assert we have a conflict of interest and to maintain the high standards of Wikipedia, this editor should step aside and allow a more neutral party to add or delete information from this article. That's all for now.--Jackmantas (talk) 00:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: if you'd bother to do some research, which is the reason Wikipedia exists, you'd find that Malcolm Dome wrote several articles on Chuck and Death - he wrote for Metal Forces. Speaking of Kerrang, Mr. Jackmantas, this is what they said about Chuck Schuldiner (KERRANG number 885 - Date of issue: Jan 5 2001) when he died: "Chuck Schuldiner was one of the most significant figures in the history of metal". Check the incredibly large cache of articles found at www.emptywords.org. Now, please stop trolling me and editing things out of spite. A Sniper (talk) 23:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wtf, why is this even an issue? Jackmantas, do you have any idea what you are saying? First off, AMG (all music guide) is not obscure. It's used all over wikipedia. There are constant discussions about the site. It's used widely on wikipedia for its reviews. In fact, its one of the few sites allowed. You might want to use wikipedia a little more... And, yes, it does talk about metal and if you look up metal bands it even has a ton of rare and obscure bands in its vast archives (incl. black, death, thrash, etc.).  Metal just happens to be under rock. As for Chuck Schuldiner being considered the "father of death metal," that is a widely known (if somewhat debated in the past) term for Schuldiner. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. I'm also tired of your ripping on A Sniper.  No one cares anymore (the COI case was dismissed if you didn't catch that) about that shit. He's a fine editor who has contributed without problems for years until now when some people decided to bring this bullshit about COI up. And even then the case was dismissed. No one wants to hear about this anymore Jackmantas, it's old news and you're preaching to an audience that left a long time ago. Do something more contructive. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 01:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Obviously it wasn't much of a COI is it was "resolved." You say I'm protective of A Sniper and get all "riled up" over the stuff that you write about, yet you yourself were the one that was getting all "riled up" in the first place and would not stop insulting A Sniper. You make sweeping accusations on him like, "I can tell you with no uncertainty that he would throw you under the bus" as if you know him. Do you? I'm not even saying I do, but the way you talk it's as if you've known the guy for years. And even if he was a horrible editor (which is silly to even think about) what would that have to do with real life? Just because you threaten/stalk someone on the internet or whatever and say you're gonna kill them or harm them, doesn't mean you will. Internet personality is seperate from a person's real personality in most cases, especially where threats/insults are concerned. I've never seen A Sniper be "rude" or "condescending" to those that have helped him, though I see that you have, time and again, been rude to him. If it's an old post, though, sorry for getting "worked up," but I seriously hope you stop this bashing of a user (or any user) and just get on with something better. 165.196.83.30 (talk) 18:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Neutrality and Conflict of interest. 

message: I have placed "citation needed" flags after unverified statements concerning Mr. Schuldiner's alleged views on drug abuse. I think we need to be very accurate on these controversial subjects to protect Mr. Schuldiner's reputation. If no references can be found, these statements should be deleted. Discuss. --Jackmantas (talk) 03:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you're totally unfamiliar with Chuck Schuldiner and the band Death, and have diminished his importance in the context of modern music (on this very page), yet continue to troll on this site, it might seem logical that you'd think the small paragraph on drugs is 'defamatory' to Chuck. Editors familiar with Death know this is not the case. If you want to be useful, you could go to emptywords.org yourself and dig through the mountains of interviews, reviews, etc. to find the appropriate reference for what is already accepted as fact: Chuck was against hard drugs but an avid pot smoker. Or maybe you feel that the paragraph would only be of interest to 'fanboys'? The comment 'the man is DEAD' referred to a user who believed Chuck to still be alive, and his comment was re: biographies of living persons, and the user apologized for the edit made in error. A Sniper (talk) 20:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My Odin! That is completely unacceptable! If you want to use that sort of language then leave this site immediately. WP:CIVL. I have known that you had been uncivil in the past, but I had no idea to what level. Unbelievable. If you do this again be asuured that you will be reported and blocked. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 02:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verification needed on views concerning drug abuse 

message: I have placed a citation needed flag after the statement claiming that Mr. Schuldiner was once a member of Slaughter. I would think Mr. Schuldiner, were he still with us, would resent being falsely accused of being a member of a band such as Slaughter which is pretty much universally recognized by true Headbangers as "Poser Metal." If this claim cannot be verified it should be deleted. Discuss. --Jackmantas (talk) 03:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not THAT Slaughter (featuring Mark Slaughter). Why don't you go and work on pages of which you have some competence or knowledge instead of trolling after me in areas where you don't appear to be adding anything constructive? You have now made a reference to Malcolm Dome without any idea that he wrote very positive things about Chuck from the beginning of the Death career. Now you don't know the difference between two bands from different genres and countries who happen to have the same name. Any expert editor in this field knows this. This trolling thing is going a bit too far, don't you think? Instead of obsessing on Greif and Schuldiner, go edit in places where you can make a genuine positive impact on Wikipedia. Fondly, A Sniper (talk) 04:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

text: How can an editor respond to such attacks that have nothing to do with article edits? You have made unsubstantiated and bitter accusations, not to mention tarnishing Chuck Schuldiner's importance on his article's talk page. Unbelievable. Anyone who crawls through your edit history can see you've been trolling around as a single-purpose account  making malicious edits for the sole purpose of ridicule. Your work on this page, and your comments above illustrate that you couldn't care less about the article or the subject of the article. A Sniper (talk) 07:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slaughter?  

message: Anyone want to discuss the significance of Death's Human in the death metal context, and its importance for Chuck personally in the context of the band? A Sniper (talk) 10:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Human (album)|Human]]

message: These sentences
"Schuldiner played guitar in the project Voodoocult on the album Jesus Killing Machine in 1994. He folded Death after this to form a new band called Control Denied, and released The Fragile Art of Existence in 1999."
are incorrect; what about Symbolic, ITP and TSoP? Those albums should also be mentioned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.237.199 (talk) 07:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - let's edit that right away. Best, A Sniper (talk) 14:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ITP and TSoP neglected 

message: Cancer is a bad deal.  Supposedly we all carry dormant cancer cells.  At some point they are activated, usually by some sort of outside influence, like smoking, or pollution.  Not to detract from the article, but to clear up any sort of confusion as to the cause of death, this should be fleshed out a little, at least.  We fans don't want to just wonder why he got cancer, or why anybody does.  If you don't know or can't discover the true answer, then perhaps you could insert a sort of disclaimer as to the cause of the cancer being unknown.  After all, doctors will tell you they don't really know crap, anyways.  If that is the case, I'd appreciate knowing.  If there is a definite or approximate cause of the cancer, I'd like to know that also.  
:Someone in the know or in the loop should do this, rather than me or someone else.  I could say, "I bet the cause was smoking", or "Maybe it was prescription drugs."  The uncertainty is worse than the truth.
:thanks ;>jamvaru (talk) 21:35, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no 'cause', and as much as I understand fan frustration at not knowing more, the sad reality is that Chuck was diagnosed with Pontine glioma in May 1999, and two and a half years later he was dead. Chuck smoked a lot of pot, but as this kind of brain stem cancer is juvenile-onset, there is a possibility that the cancer preexisted the pot. Who knows. We'll never know. Chuck didn't smoke cigarettes, did no other drugs whatsoever, and as an accomplished cook he actually watched what he ate & was always fit.  When his cancer took a turn for the worse after a period of relative status quo, he eventually got pneumonia, he was brought home to his Mom's on Citrus in Altamonte Springs, and he died within the hour of returning. That's it. A Sniper (talk) 05:46, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of Cancer 

message: Apologies for asking, but is this an actual book? As best as I can find it's appears to be a couple of dead links, a band wiki, and a Facebook page. Without proper references, ISBN etc., it looks a bit like some classically trained band wagoning. 203.38.100.131 (talk) 04:19, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Book Section 

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