Talk:Feminine psychology

message: I deleted the table at the end of the article because it was entirely irrelevant. It was a (woefully incomplete) time line of the women's suffrage movement--not feminine psychology or, as it was labeled, cultural influences on women. I'm new here, and I do not have a degree in psychology, but the entire article seems subpar to me. It reads as a list of abuses of men against women in all parts but the discussion of "womb envy" (which is genuinely interesting). The sources are also poorly cited. I may come back to it but, as I said before, I am hesitant to get in over my head in a subject I know very little about. Dash1224 (talk) 06:14, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Given cis-gender assumptions, even the section on "womb envy" may be better placed in the Masculine psychology article. Roidroid (talk) 02:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

message: Can someone please answer these questions for me:
1. Why don't women like to be photographed while eating?
2. Why don't you ever see women eating in TV commercials?
ro6iyh 02 Honeychurch (talk) 01:58, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women and eating 

message: The second paragraph "Womb Envy" is an outdated psychological concept that concerns men and not women, I fail to see what place it has here. The way it is now it just seems to be there as a rebuttal to the "penis envy" concept, which is bizzare since that concept is only mentioned to introduce "womb envy."
:Agreed. As mentioned above, I think it would be better to move it to the Male Psych section. Outdated as it is, perhaps some more elaboration on penis envy is required as it is concordant with the rest of the article (i.e an "issue concerning the gender of psychology of female human identity")
== Bias ==
This article comes across to me as very biased, and is presented more as an opinion piece than an article based on historical facts.  Sentences such as "In the US, a man more or less owned his wife and children as if they were material possessions. If a poor man decided to send his children to the poor house, the mother had no legal grounds and, by all accounts, was defenseless." at least need to have citations added or they need to be expanded with examples, or the 'culture' of the time needs to be explained more.  It does not expand on what the actual laws were that were in effect or even say what specific time period this refers to.  There are many other examples of badly biased sentences that I think need to be rewritten or expanded or cleaned up:
"The old school of thought was that women were the weaker of the two sexes and therefore inferior to men."  Is this how they really thought about women or is this how we/the author thinks they thought about women?  Citation would clear this up.
What about including a discussion about women of different races or social classes, and expanding on how women were educated in 'the early days'?  
The entire section "cultural influences" seems to say like it was all horrible for women back then without really comparing to how things are now, or talking about possible reasons why things were that way.  Was it because men really controlled everything and thought that they were superior?  Was it because that is how human culture has developed since the beginning of civilization?  Was it out of necessity?  Were women comfortable in their roles or not?  What about the role of men?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.112.152.117 (talk) 09:31, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you find any reliable sources criticizing these theories, those should be added. But I am unaware of any sources refuting feminine psychology as a whole. My quick searches suggest that feminine psychology is still considered relevant in the psychoanalytic field... but I'm outside of that field, so I don't really know. I imagine that there might be something arguing that men and women are psychologically identical, but it would probably be a fringe view. I am sure there are sources refuting specific elements of her theories (neurotic needs, etc.) but those specifics aren't really discussed in this broad encyclopedic article. ParticipantObserver (talk) 13:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Actually, for the most part this article discusses a reaction to Freud's theories... and so the opposite point of view would be Freud's theories, which are not missing from this article. ParticipantObserver (talk) 14:10, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Womb Envy 

message: This article comes across to me as very biased, and is presented more as an opinion piece than an article based on historical facts.  Sentences such as "In the US, a man more or less owned his wife and children as if they were material possessions. If a poor man decided to send his children to the poor house, the mother had no legal grounds and, by all accounts, was defenseless." at least need to have citations added or they need to be expanded with examples, or the 'culture' of the time needs to be explained more.  It does not expand on what the actual laws were that were in effect or even say what specific time period this refers to.  There are many other examples of badly biased sentences that I think need to be rewritten or expanded or cleaned up:
"The old school of thought was that women were the weaker of the two sexes and therefore inferior to men."  Is this how they really thought about women or is this how we/the author thinks they thought about women?  Citation would clear this up.
What about including a discussion about women of different races or social classes, and expanding on how women were educated in 'the early days'?  
The entire section "cultural influences" seems to say like it was all horrible for women back then without really comparing to how things are now, or talking about possible reasons why things were that way.  Was it because men really controlled everything and thought that they were superior?  Was it because that is how human culture has developed since the beginning of civilization?  Was it out of necessity?  Were women comfortable in their roles or not?  What about the role of men?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.112.152.117 (talk) 09:31, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

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message: As I was looking for ways to improve the page I came across this article http://plaza.ufl.edu/bjparis/ikhs/horney/fadiman/04_major.html and noticed that the introduction for this wikipedia page is copied almost word for word from this article. I am not sure what the procedure is on fixing that. Joh18060 (talk) 05:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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message: Hello fellow Wikipedians! I am new to this platform, but I did notice some bias in this article. It seems to be missing the opposite point of view. I understand that this may come off as a sensitive subject and that is why emotion may be coming into play. It would probably be a good idea to find some sources refuting feminine psychology just to get another perspective and give the audience their own opinion to decide what they believe. I also saw a few spots where sources were needed and added a template. 
Jade Grant (talk) 06:15, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If you find any reliable sources criticizing these theories, those should be added. But I am unaware of any sources refuting feminine psychology as a whole. My quick searches suggest that feminine psychology is still considered relevant in the psychoanalytic field... but I'm outside of that field, so I don't really know. I imagine that there might be something arguing that men and women are psychologically identical, but it would probably be a fringe view. I am sure there are sources refuting specific elements of her theories (neurotic needs, etc.) but those specifics aren't really discussed in this broad encyclopedic article. ParticipantObserver (talk) 13:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Actually, for the most part this article discusses a reaction to Freud's theories... and so the opposite point of view would be Freud's theories, which are not missing from this article. ParticipantObserver (talk) 14:10, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources needed 

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A possible image could be a picture of Karen Horney. Allysondavey (talk) 21:31, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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