Talk:The Hurricane (1999 film)

message: For a discussion of this NPOV dispute, see Talk:Rubin Carter. Blackcats 19:16, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV dispute (2005)

message: This article still has the 'stub' flag. It would be nice if an experienced user would give some hints about what has to be done to make this a 'real' article. Gray62 16:03, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub?

message: hello,
this page has a link to the sriptwriter Dan Gordon who wrote the script.
However, this is not the same Dan Gordon.
the dan gordon who wrote the script is about 60 years old today.
the dan gordon who which the link refers to, was active as a writer during WW2.
So it can't be the same one. I don't know how to fix this. Someone who does, please fix this...ido —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.130.28.163 (talk • contribs) 
:Checking Dan Gordon Lion King 23:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct, the link points to the wrong Dan Gordon. I will unlink Lion King 23:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dan Gordon Link

message: IMO, apart from the Dylan single and the picture of Denzil as Malcolm X, the rest of it needs junking, what do you think? Lion King 05:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The bit about Sarokin can go. The rest of it seems pertinent and harmless. TheMadBaron 05:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Triva section

message: This section needs help. Among other things: 
-some of the sentences are poorly written and would be confusing to someone who hadn't seen the movie (or to someone like me, who saw it many years ago)
-should be rewritten in paragraph form, I think
-the little inaccuracies like "Carter did not ride in the front seat." are nit-picky. Movies about actual events often make minor changes like this for ease of filming or other reasons.
-these should be sourced individually.
I'm more than willing to do this editing, but think it might be a bit controversial, so I welcome comments/suggestions/criticism. Natalie 17:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, "Carter did not ride in the front seat" is hardly nit-picky, considering that when Capter stopped his car he was laying down in the back. Lion King 17:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be, in which case it should be explained in the section. As it stands right now, it sounds like the filmmakers made a minor change (back seat to front seat). Natalie 18:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The controversy section 2006

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I went through those sources one by one. Some were personal web pages - obviously not fit for Wikipedia. I can't believe they survived for years in the article. Others just flat-out didn't say what the text of the article claimed they said. It looks to me like the entire section was slapped together by combining some sketchy sources with some half-truths and WP:SYNTHESIS. After analyzing all of it, I heavily edited the section down to the lawsuit about the one Carter fight, which actually has good sources. JimKaatFan (talk) 02:33, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: *I appreciate the clean up and some of it certainly did not belong. It's difficult for me to remove the Larry Elder article, since he is a notable person and the source that published it is a marginally RS. The Irish Times is a RS and the article was easy to find here: https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/truth-is-swept-aside-by-hurricane-1.269822  I'm not sure why the NYT article was removed??? Overall, at least 3 RS's in there are discussing the fact that there was controversy over the accuracy. I think it's worth adding some back in.Niteshift36 (talk) 12:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

text: *BTW, that personal web page has actually received enough coverage to possibly qualify for a Wikipedia article, such as this article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. https://old.post-gazette.com/regionstate/20000327newsmaker3.asp  The site is run by a NY Post reporter that covered Carter for years, first as a supporter, then as an adversary when he felt the evidence showed Carter was lying. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:21, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think one article 21 years ago in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (and let's face it, that's literally the strongest source mentioning it) is not nearly enough to call a personal web page notable enough for a Wikipedia article. That's a really, really, long stretch. JimKaatFan (talk) 14:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

text: *Well, not that I'm making a case for it, but notability doesn't expire. I've watched albums pass notability for a single paragraph on AllMusic, so an entire article devoted to it by a major paper should make it. However, the Star Ledger source gives the website more than a mere mention. An Irish Times article devotes 4 paragraphs to Deal and his website.<https://www.irishtimes.com/news/after-the-hurricane-1.262383>. Could probably find more if I did some digging. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: *Whether the reporter is a conservative or liberal has no bearing on this discussion. He is an employee of the paper and there is still editorial oversight. If we look at WP:RSEDITORIAL, we see "Editorial commentary, analysis and opinion pieces, whether written by the editors of the publication (editorials) or outside authors (op-eds) are reliable primary sources for statements attributed to that editor or author, but are rarely reliable for statements of fact." That is exactly what is being done here...... reporting that Mulshine had these criticisms. If it would make you feel more comfortable, we could quote him. I'll be happy to pose the question at RSN. BTW, the legal system never exonerated Carter. His verdictwas set aside because of errors made by the prosecution. He was never adjudicated not guilty. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:55, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

text: *I went ahead and posed the question at RSN. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Controversy" section