Talk:Sanpaku

message: This article is extremely biased against any validity of the Sanpaku condition. I thought Wikipedia entries are always supposed to uphold complete neutrality..  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF97:34E0:2C76:8E1F:1C86:BE4D (talk) 21:07, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality? 

message: Errr... wiki noob here...
This page says Robert Pattinson has these sorts of eyes. Well... he only does in photos when his head is tilted downwards and he's looking up, just like anyone else. So... delete him from the list?
14.201.208.202 (talk) 01:51, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a source to back the claim. Then again, it is a TV show apparently, so it might not be instantly verifiable. Is there any evidence you have to support your claim, from "reliable sources"? I'm not against removing him from the list necessarily, but it all depends on what other sources say. Thanks --Jprg1966 (talk) 01:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Robert Pattinson

message: Someone familiar with Wikipedia may wish to add Bob Dylan? 
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=730423713687255
The grounds for him may be various things, but his self-proclaimed use of heroin might be one factor? 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9492000/9492886.stm
EDLIS Café  11:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Dylan 

message: Sclera under the eye (scleral show) can be caused by maxillary hypoplasia or hyperthyroidism among other conditions....   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.240.162.134 (talk) 02:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: He didn't actually have it, he just opened his eyes wide. It was just his image, but in reality, he kept his eyes normally. You can check the numerous photos with his serious face. I think it should be removed, or at least, a note added that explains this.
Fawkey (talk) 09:41, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salvador Dali? 

message: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/John_F._Kennedy%2C_White_House_photo_portrait%2C_looking_up.jpg/376px-John_F._Kennedy%2C_White_House_photo_portrait%2C_looking_up.jpg
The caption says:
"U.S. President John F. Kennedy was predicted to "experience great danger because of his sanpaku condition". In both eyes, the sclera is visible at the bottom."
????? am I looking at the same picture as whoever wrote this ???????
the whites AREN'T visible under the iris in this image.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:4AFF:1000:77:ACFD:E0A5:F21D (talk) 12:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the whites are not visible below the iris. Need a better photo. Jusdafax (talk) 09:03, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Totally agree. Ridiculous claim. Fixed the caption accordingly. What you actually see is a bit of the the top surface of the lower lid that is reflecting light coming from above so that is seems a bit brighter than the continuation of said surface towards the sides. Frankly it looks to me as if this particular detail could well have been photoshopped in. --BjKa (talk) 12:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't get it (Kennedy) 

message: The history section in this article seems primarily written against h2g2 wiki, which seems like a very unreliable source to me. It's a wiki, a tertiary source, and has no citations. In addition, it makes some fairly dubious claims referencing "Yin Sanpaku" and "Yang Sanpaku", terms which combine Japanese and Chinese words together seemingly arbitrarily. Sanpaku is not listed as a loanword in my Chinese-English dictionary and there seems to be no related words defined.
I'm left from this article very confused about what this phenomenon actually is and about the origin of the term. The picture doesn't help.
It seems like all of the web-based sources are unreliable, and all of the physical book sources are ones I can't verify easily. Surely there are better online sources available?
Tiffany352 (talk) 16:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about a New York version of Japanese folklore, following Tom Wolfe, George Ohsawa, and William Dufty who perpetuated the notion. — Rgdboer (talk) 03:11, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For thousands of years, people of the Far East [but not their physicians] have been looking into each other's eyes for signs of this dreaded condition.
New York version of Japanese folklore; Yes. If only we could find a reliable source who says words to this effect, the article would become much clearer. There is only one source for Sanpaku: the Dufty-Ohsawa book, which also claims: "Children most susceptible to polio have triangular or reverse triangular faces." [pp. 136-137] "Societies of the Far East are feminist despite all outward appearances to the contrary." [page 124] The Dufty-Ohsawa book does not cite a single traditional Chinese or Japanese medical source. It is not "Japanese/Chinese traditional medicine," perhaps not even "Japanese folklore." Ohsawa/Sakurazawa comes from Kyoto, which has a sophisticated way of treating the rest of Japan with contempt, and he teams up with New York writers, who have sophisticated ways of treating the rest of America with contempt. This is invented tradition. What about a See also section with links to Physiognomy, Cesare Lombroso, Invented tradition? The idea that sanpaku predicts criminal behavior is intended: "He had committed sins against the order of the universe" (he has the karma of a criminal). In the 1960s, if someone endlessly extemporized on Yin and Yang, they were considered to understand the essence of traditional Chinese/Japanese medicine. Neither author claims any expertise in traditional; everything is either anecdotal or dogmatic claims about Yin and Yang. Ohsawa smoked cigarettes, and claimed that when he was inhaling, the smoke was Yin, when exhaling, it was Yang. Vagabond nanoda (talk) 09:19, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreliable sources