Talk:Religious Zionist Party

message: Shouldn't this article has a composition bar since they currently are an existing party, and have seats in the government?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShimonChai (talk • contribs) 18:00, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composition bar? 

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message: :National Union–Tkuma →  – The page was moved without any discussion before the move. I request it will be revert back until a discussion will be held. Sokuya (talk) 04:22, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If it has been moved and the target has not been edited since, you should be able to move it back using the 'move' tab at the top of the article. Number 57 09:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I revert it back. Sokuya (talk) 09:30, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I have removed the RM template. Number 57 10:11, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

text: I would support this, most media outlets refer to it as the National Union, which may lead to confusion on Wikipedia if it is not in the title.--Jay942942 (talk) 22:44, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If Tkuma succeeded National Union so we should use the National Union article and expand it, and this will stay just Tkuma. It too confusing to have 2 article with the same name on the same party. If National Union was a political alliance of number of parties and everyone left but Tkuma, so Tkuma take National Union name, we should end Tkuma article with National Union split in 2013 and expand the National Union article. Or we should change National Union (Israel) into National Union (political alliance) and then change Tkuma into National Union (Israel), it's just all too confusing. I don't see the party using Tkuma, they just using National Union, so why called it National Union–Tkuma? Sokuya (talk) 12:33, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: While the party doesn't use Tkuma, it's official name is National Union-Tkuma (see here) Gibzit (talk) 16:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still too confusing. Until 2013 it was just Tkuma, and the party was part of a political alliance name National Union. In 2013 the alliance dissolved and Tkuma succeed it with name logo and everything (They not using Tkuma as their name anymore). We can't have 2 articles on the same party. We should leave this article Tkuma and data up to 2013, and expand National Union with current data. If we name both of the National Union it would be confusing. Or we can leave it as is now. Sokuya (talk) 06:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should just leave it as is. It would be easier to manage since there wouldn't be any page moves. David O. Johnson (talk) 06:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 13 August 2019 

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 20:04, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Religious Zionist Party →  – The page was recently  by  to the current title. I believe there is confusion between a political party and an electoral list. The article is about the party established in 1998, first known as "Tkuma", and now renamed to "National Union". But "The Religious Zionism" is the name of electoral list established in 2021, which include three parties: National Union, Otzma Yehudit, and Noam. The Central Elections Committee website shows that "The Religious Zionism" list consists of several parties including "National Union–Tkuma". It's explained in Hebrew articles here and here. It's the same situation as with New Right and Yamina: one is part of the other, but they are not the same thing. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 13:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 29 May 2021 

message: :Religious Zionist Party →  – There is a bit confusion with this article and there is a need to make some order. Religious Zionist Party has serval meanings:
# Political alliance of multiple different parties that ran together as one canidates list in Knneset elections 
# A new name for a political party that was first known as Tkuma (and later as National Union–Tkuma)
Tkuma never ran in election as stand alone party list, see Religious_Zionist_Party#Election_results. They had always ran with other parties and formed political alliances that ran in the election as one unified list. Here's a quick recape:
At first they were a part of National Union alliance but when the alliance dissolved in 2013 they kept the brand name and were known to the public as National Union–Tkuma. They were still a separte party named Tkuma regarding legal terms. Later during 2013-2015 Tkuma joined to The Jewish Home party and both ran as a joint list known simply as Jewish Home. In the April 2019 election, after Bennet and Shaked left the Jewish Home to form a new party (New Right), the alliance used the name of Union of Right-Wing Parties as the name of the joint list. Later in 2019 September election all three of them formed a new joint list known as Yamina and later left it in 2020 leaving only the New Right party in the list and since then New Right known as Yamina. At this point Tkuma or National Union–Tkuma decide to rebrand itself as the Religious Zionist Party. Other smaller parties joined them to form a joint list under the name The Religious Zionist. Similar to 2013 when Tkuma joined Jewish Home but the name of their joint list was just Jewish Home.
So now we have two meanings to Religious Zionist Party, the separted party (with all the history of Tkuma party) and a new joint list of sevral diffrent parties that using the name Religious Zionist for the joint list as a unified political alliance.
This is not a unique situation in Israeli politics. Blue and White is a political alliance that was formed by serval diffrent parties, by now all other parties left and left only Resilience party to use it as their brand. Yamina is the name of political alliance that also had only one party today - New Right. 
Wikipedia holds separate articles for the parties and separate articles for the political alliances. I believe that we should keep this order and split this article into two, one for the detailed history of Tkuma now known as Religious Zionist Party, and one for the political alliance that has composition of four diffrent parties with Otzma Yehudit and Noam, each party with unique history of itself.
It's not right to list all of Tkuma history of past alliances and leaders as the history of this political alliance, becuse Otzma Yehudit and Noam has nothing to do with it or its past leaders. And also Jewish Home and Yamina has nothing to do with this new political alliance either.
There should be separated articles:
# Religious Zionist Party (with Tkuma (political party) and National Union–Tkuma redirecting to it) with all the past history of the party before 2021
# Religious Zionist (political alliance) with only information of the 2021 elections and beyond on the alliance of Religious Zionist Party, Otzma Yehudit and Noam
~ Sokuya (talk) 16:46, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split request 22 April 2022 

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message: Apologies if I make a mistake here, I don't have a lot of experience with editing articles. 
In the section labeled "Ideology", it is stated that the party advocates for increased funding for Torah study and religious education. The source leads to the party's website in English, but the actual text only says that the party seeks to promote Torah study and religious education. That does not have the same connotation or meaning as advocating for increased funding.
Is there another source that more clearly supports the statement in that section? 
If not, would it make sense to change the text to more closely match the website of the party? 2A06:C701:4943:4E00:61F9:406:EE49:1D6 (talk) 21:09, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification on the party's ideology. 

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The result of the move request was: Not consensus to move. Arguments in support of moving centered around the length of time for which the part used the name "National Union–Tkuma" being much larger than that of the "Religious Zionist Party" moniker. Opposition was based on both the name "Religious Zionist Party" being used as the group's final name, being used as the name when the group was most prominent, and being the current name used by reliable sources to describe the party. (closed by non-admin page mover)  — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Religious Zionist Party →  – Like I said in the discussion above the name change happened only in the last three years of their time span, so don't think the name is actually representative for the whole party. During this time there were many splits and mergers starting with New Right and URWP and ending with the newly formed Mafdal–RZP. In fact "National Union–Tkuma" remained their legal name until the end. Braganza (talk) 05:45, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 15 October 2023