Talk:Xiaolongbao

message: Since Xialongbao is a misnamed food - it's actually a dumpling, Gao(Cantonese)  or jiaozi(Mandarin), than a bun, Bao, 
it might be merged with Jiaozi. Since Xialongbao is a very specific type of dumpling, I don't see why it can't have it's own article. Vote - do NOT merge. Dyl 17:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also vote against a merge. LDHan 18:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As above. Xiao long bao are NOT a type of chinese bun; placing them under baozi would be incorrect. They are a type of dumpling and will often be found under "dumplings" or "jiao zi" on a Chinese menu. As xiao long bao are quite unique, they should have their own wiki entry. Defintely voting against a merge. Djwatson 07:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. The merge template has been removed. --ryan-d 17:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

text:  This is really funny as no one in China would think Xialongbao has anything to do with Jiaozi :) But anyway it's now explain in the article. Took 06:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger with Biao 

message: Is this the bun that has soup inside and drank with a straw? Or is that another shanghai bun? Benjwong 21:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the Tangbao ("soup bun") from Yangzhou and other nearby regions. That bun doesn't have its own article, but I think I footnoted its existence in this article. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 20:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh ok.  Tangbao really deserve its own article.  Is pretty unique.  Benjwong 22:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The trick is to hold only the knot (and not the soft underbelly) with your chopsticks. Then bite a tiny nick on the side of the bottom, suck out the soup through that nick, then eat the rest of the bun. (Use a Chinese spoon as insurance in case you break it.) --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 22:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw

message: I lived in Shanghai recently for a year (just above a place that served this, in fact) and I never once heard them referred to as Xiaolong mantou. My Mandarin is pretty good and my shanghai hua is OK, so I've heard it plenty in the language. Someone please verify that statement with a native of shanghai.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenneth of oh (talk • contribs) 00:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In Shanghainese, all types of buns are called "mantou". The new-fangled "-bao" name has only emerged in recent years under the influence of northern Mandarin which makes a distinction between "bao" and "mantou". --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 10:53, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Never heard this referred to as mantou 

message: A paragraph has been added to the article about a "Jia Jia Tan Bao". Apart from this not being a well known restaurant (and possibly spelled wrong), it is cited as an unverifiable "page 26 Newsweek". Propose deleting unless anyone has heard of this restaurant and can verify the claim. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 22:47, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the user misspell  "Jia Jia Tan Bao", it should "Jia Jia Tang Bao" which is i guess pretty popular considering it's on ChinaDaily and other such as .--LLTimes (talk) 17:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious - Jia Jia Tan Bao 

message: the article says that the literal meaning "little-dragon bun", is there a source for this?
My understanding is that 笼 in 小笼包 stands for a type of basket, for example from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%AC%BC, or here http://www.zdic.net/zd/zi/ZdicE7ZdicACZdicBC.htm, 
Does anyone know why here it would stand for dragon ?
107.6.15.215 (talk) 23:42, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source of literal translation 

message: It is not the same everywhere . For years now small restaurants in Beijing have featured a staple product called "小笼包" which is not the one in this article.  It is steamed in a small basket -- hence the name -- and  made with partially raised flour.  But it is just a thin skin around a piece of ground pork as big as the one in a regular baozi. Much more meat compared to flour than a regular baozi.  There is no kind of pinching at the top, no kind of circular cascade of ripples, and indeed no crown.  There is nothing like soup or aspic in it and the design could not possibly hold any.  The article might mention that "小笼包" does not mean the same everywhere. Colin McLarty (talk) 08:55, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good point. Certainly "xiaolongbao" could mean any small sized baozi. Have added a note to this effect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.189.73.197 (talk) 12:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, no, it couldn't mean any small-sized baozi. M M'Larty is right that it would need to involve these baskets. He presumably held off on editing the page because he wasn't sure how common such shanzhai XLB really are: I think that's wise. Let's wait and hear from more people, hopefully with some . — LlywelynII 00:59, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

text:  I held off because I am not sure how important it is, and I have no RS.  As to how common the term is, though, it has been very common for years in Beijing, at least from the north 4th Ring Road to the south 3rd Ring Road; and around Shanxi University in Taiyuan. And it cannot just be in those places.  As to "shanzhai," these are not look alikes to soup dumplings -- or inferior. Soup dumplings are widely sold in Beijing at fancier restaurants and no one could confuse them with this kind of xiaolongbao. This kind cannot injure your lips and tongue. Colin McLarty (talk) 12:25, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

text:  It's not just Beijing, almost all over the country, even far in the South - Yunnan, Hunan, Zhejiang etc. these dumplings are known as 汤包 and 小笼包 are a small basket of small 包子 commonly sold at breakfast time. I've even seen 小笼包 for sale in Shanghai in the mornings, whereas the dumplings described in this article are invariably described as 汤包. The only places I've ever seen 汤包 called 小龙包 are in Fujian, Guangdong, Taiwan, and Southeast Asia. I would suggest this page be merged with the page on Tangbao (talk) 17:16, 05 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Other forms of xiaolongbao

message: Presumably these are all by PalaceGuard008, although he still has not confirmed that:
* 1: Mistranslations of various Chinese terms, as discussed above
* 2: Inclusion of off-topic & unsourced digression on non-XLB mantous, inclusion of unnecessary & unsourced section on "English translation" already dealt with in infobox and other parts of the page; the information about the shaping of the XLB should be (re)included, but in a section on manufacture, not translation, and with sources. 
* 3: Removal of XLB as alt name is possibly appropriate, although it being "slang" is irrelevant; the question is only how common the slang is; personally, I lean towards its continued inclusion.
* 4: Inappropriate removal of a literal translation, apparently through misunderstanding of what "literal translation" means
* 5: Additional mistranslation of Chinese term, as edit 1 above
* 6: Inclusion of use in Jiangnan-style tea should be kept, if not mentioned elsewhere (albeit it could use a source and needs formatting around Chinese text).
* 7: Inclusion of alternative uses of the term XLB isn't bad but needs more clarification in order to be helpful; the editor actually misunderstands the point being made on the talk page; that editor's dumpling was not any form of "tangbao"
* 8: Corrects the mistake, but shows the editor doesn't really understand the senses in which XLB might refer to other regional dishes apart from the Liangjiang version. Therefore, we shouldn't keep that note, pending more sources or discussion from more knowledgable editors.
Looking at the two edits that should be kept, they aren't the second one isn't mentioned elsewhere on the page and therefore should be included. I'm ok with removal of XLB, pending someone showing it's in more common use than just my talk-page shorthand.  We shouldn't include discussion of other meanings of "XLB" until we're sure exactly what those meanings are, with sources.
I'll restore the appropriate parts and am fine with sourcing or expanding them, given the phrasing mentioned above. — LlywelynII 13:37, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent URL editing to the page

message: Currently redirects to a page solely about UK & Irish use. Now, that doesn't mean the link is bad; I personally find it helpful as a reminder that we're talking about British "tea" (sometimes ="snack") instead of American "tea" (which never does). More importantly, I've never in my life seen Chinese taking a "morning tea", let alone as a regular cultural item, but, if it's an actual part of traditional Chinese culture that's just gone by the wayside under the PRC, we should mention it and, even better, go change morning tea to reflect a more-inclusive world view and end the current  problem. It needs sourcing, though. — LlywelynII 13:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Morning tea

message: Hiragana is a type of kana, so listing hiragana in addition to kana makes no sense. The characters labeled "kana" are the other type of kana, katakana. Truthfully, neither serves any purpose on this page and both ought to be removed. 2602:306:CF6C:C140:5D5D:DA3A:16D6:35CC (talk) 14:33, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  silly Japanese box