Talk:Monte Ne

message: Without at least more references, it is unlikely this article will attain GA status. --Kmsiever 06:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Nomination

message: Failed for the reason given above--insufficient inline citations. A good rule of thumb for GA status is to aim for at least one citation per paragraph, more or less depending on how controversial the material is. All direct quotes must be cited. 
It is an interesting and very promising article, however. Please feel free to resubmit once this has been fixed. MLilburne 08:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: I copied this article to my sandbox for proofing.  I shall return. —  Reverend Lee 20:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proofing 

message: Monte Ne was entirely conceived and funded by William "Coin" Hope Harvey. It was built between 1900 and 1920, with the majority of construction taking place before 1905. Harvey was a well-known businessman, lecturer and author in the 1890s. He made a lot of money silver mining in Colorado, but Monte Ne seems to have been funded mostly by the sale of his books—mainly on the subject of free silver. His most popular pamphlet entitled Coin's Financial School was published in 1893. Buoyed by his involvement in the presidential campaign of William Jennings Bryan, it sold several million copies.
Soon after Bryan lost his bid for the Presidency, Harvey visited Northwest Arkansas.  The area was known for its unique, pristine, natural beauty. In October of 1900, he purchased 320 acres of land in Silver Springs, Arkansas, close to present day Rogers. From then on he lived in Arkansas, claiming that he preferred the state because it had no large cities or extremely wealthy people. Harvey moved into a run-down log house on his new property, and his family stayed behind in Chicago. His son Tom joined him shortly thereafter to help prepare the house for the arrival of the rest of the family. Harvey's other son, Hal, and his wife Anna and Harvey's daughter Annette joined them later. A few months after the family had moved in, the log house burned to the ground. All of the family's possessions, including Harvey's large library, were lost. Harvey carried no insurance on the house and, after its destruction, Anna left Monte Ne and returned only for brief visits. 
Harvey's land purchase coincided with a desire by the post master to change the name of the area, because it was often confused with Siloam Springs, Arkansas. Harvey chose the name Monte Ne, supposedly combining the Spanish and Omaha Indian words for mountain water,“Coin” Harvey Created Resort in the Ozarks; The Arkansas News; Spring, 1992 issue; Retrieved on 2007-01-19 because it "fit the tongue attractively." Familiar with European health spas, Harvey wanted to turn Monte Ne into a "watering hole" in the Ozarks. 
Harvey began by commissioning the dredging of a canal. Silver Springs Creek was narrowed between Big Spring and Elixir Spring, creating Big Spring Lake. The creek was then channeled to form what Harvey referred to as "the lagoon." Limestone retaining walls, boardwalks, and park areas were built along the banks of the creeks and the lake. The place quickly became a popular spot for pleasure boating, picnics, and other outdoor activities. Many of the visitors commented how clear the water was, and The Rogers Democrat said that it looked "like pure alcohol." Harvey stocked the waters with fish to ensure a good catch for the guests.     
END PROOFING
Any questions? -- Reverend Lee 11:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: All of the citations for Historic Monte Ne use the author's first name (Allyn) instead of her last name (Lord). The cover of the book clearly shows that her name is "Allyn Lord". If the citations need to be changed to use her last name, I can do that. --Jtir 22:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed "Allyn" to "Lord" in all cites (and not in the Refs!) and fixed some other minor probs in this edit. Please let me know if you see anything wrong. BTW, my process is to copy the whole article into a gedit window on my Linux system, do a search and replace, copy the result back into the article edit window, and then review the diffs for any goofs. --Jtir 12:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  citations for ''Historic Monte Ne'' use the author's first name 

message: This edit is per Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Monte Ne and, IMHO, not a real improvement. There had been 32 Lord cites and now there are 29, yet the notes look more cluttered than before. If anyone objects, I will undo this edit. --Jtir 18:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  combined identical footnotes for Lord pages 52, 94, 112 

message: Harvey's hotels: "... built of 8,000 logs with a cement floor re-tile roof." --Jtir 09:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a "re-tile roof"? 

message: "Long" sounds redundant, but I can't tell which one to remove. I believe the first "long" is intended to describe a general feature that is common to both hotels.
*"As was the case with Hotel Monte Ne, Missouri Row featured long porches 575 ft (175 m) long."
Why are the porches so much longer than the building?
*"This Clarke-designed building was 46 ft (14 m) wide and 305 ft (93 m) long ..."
--Jtir 09:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  length of the porches 

message: How could he have died a year after his funeral?
* "On February 11, 1936 he died ... A small funeral was held on February 14, 1935, ..."
--Jtir 09:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  year of death is inconsistent with year of funeral 

message: Aside from some of the factual issues cited above, I would like to see a few other issues addressed before promotion:
*Perhaps I overlooked it, but is there a citation for "largest log buildings in the world"? Fixed--The_stuart 20:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As it has been quite a while with only some points being addressed I am failing the entry, though it is very close to GA status. If and when the points are addressed feel free to either contact me or to list it for review again. Cheers, TewfikTalk 17:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA comments 

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
#It is stable.
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#It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
#:a (tagged and captioned):  b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
#Overall: 
#:a Pass/Fail: 
Thanks to all the editors who helped make this article GA quality. --Hdt83  Chat 20:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA passed 

message: I knew I had photos of my sister and me in the white stone chairs in Frisco Park in Rogers, and wouldn't you know it - I located them today at my parents' house, and scanned them in.  I'll probably get those uploaded this weekend once my large scanning session is complete.  The photos are from December 1987.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 14:17, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of the stone chairs in Frisco Park 

message: "The hotel had forty 16 ft² (1.5 m²) rooms" - this seems extmely small, not large enough to fit a bed. Are these possibly out by a factor of ten? Billy Catastrophe (talk) 10:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: *The Lord, Allyn. Historic Monte Ne book referenced says on page 43:
 "The hotel boasted 40 sixteen-foot-square (sic) rooms, each with a fireplace to ward off the chill on summer nights in the valley. The hotel claimed it could accommodate 200 extra people on cots when occasion requires it" 
--The_stuart (talk) 15:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Room Sizes 

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message: I reviewed the article as part of Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles/2020/2004–2009 and noted the problems below, if the article isn't improved a Featured Article Review may be needed.
*The lead doesn't summarise or properly explain the article, i've just tagged it
*The lead begins with "Monte Ne was a community" rather than explaining what it is now
*The infobox says this is a US Historic Place but the lead doesn't mention this fact
*The lead doesn't mention sections in the body, such as the railroad
*The lead has 4 cite needed tags
*The lead is too short
*40% of the cites in the article are from one source Lord leading to a narrow point of view
Desertarun (talk) 11:32, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I just modified the lead to try and bring it in line with Wikipedia expectations. Therefore I removed the lead tag. The article is a bit of a mess, and I would like to try and clean it more over the coming weeks and months. I may have actually shortened the lead a bit, but not sure what to add without getting into too much detail. The source, Allyn Lord, wrote a book about Monte Ne and is probably going to be the main source of information for the article. The book acknowledgements reference both Rogers Historical Museum and the Shiloh Museum of History as sources, and these two institutions are well regarded though their on line content is limited. That said, the article itself seems to have highly plagiarized the Lord book. Littleboybrew (talk) 01:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR 

message: The old article had large sections lifted almost directly from sources, and there were of course some issues with citations. The story of Monte Ne is told most completely in the book by Allyn Lord, hence most of the references are to that book. Prior to publishing the re-write, I sent the article to the Rogers Historical Museum for their review and comments. Littleboybrew (talk) 21:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significant article re-write