Talk:Chinese astrology/Archive 2

message: Why do the charts in this article use the normal animal symbols (鼠,牛,虎,兔,龍,蛇,馬,羊,猿,鶏,狗,猪) instead of the zodiac symbols (子,丑,寅,卯,辰,午,未,申,酉,戌,亥)?--Sotaru 05:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Symbols?

message: The lunar year beginning Feb 18, 2007 is the year of the golden Pig. The page however current lists it as the year of the fire Pig. There is something wrong with the element-animal chart. Do a search for gold Pig 2007 in chinese to find sources. Also, it is possible to search the news for a disproportionate amount of people taking maternity leave in China because it is considered lucky to have a child in the year of the gold Pig. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.95.123.6 (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disrepency between elements and animals. 

message: Would it be OK to put a link to this resource about the Chinese zodiac on the main page of this article?
It has been designed for users of English as Second Language and has an interactive Zodiac sign finder, Chinese zodiac Magic game and Zodiac English idiom quiz, as well as free posters.
My company designed it, that's why I'm putting it to you to find out if it's possible.
Thanks
Ady1234 Feb 12.07
:Your site is real cute.  But I'd like to point out Wikipedia is not a web directory. (See Wikipedia:Five pillars).   I know, a lot of people ignore that fact.  No one can't tell you what to do.  Just be aware that it can be removed at any time at the whim of anybody.  tess 21:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animated [[Chinese zodiac]] Zone  

message: Come on - shurely shome mistake! The Months section has some very dubious text in there - Oxi-Clean for the 12th month? Can someone with more knowledge please check this! Thanks :)
StuartCarter 16:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trogdor? Bunni Wabbit?!!?

message: Is your secretive animal decided by the hour you're born in in local time or chinese time? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.140.73.113 (talk) 18:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secretive Animal 

message: Could we expand/clarify the info on Heaven and Combination elements? I couldn't find out (here or elsewhere on the web) what the two terms mean. If both are listed for each year, which one is predominant? Thanks!
SvetaOhio 03:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Heavenly Stems elements are well documented in another artile. However, can someone quote some references (Chinese source is fine too) to this Combination elements?  What is it called in Chinese?  Google search didn't come up with much info.  75.31.100.140 01:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heaven vs Combo elements? 

message: This section is confusing, specifically the paragraph after the first table. That paragraph is difficult to understand due to poor grammar (probably because the author's first language isn't English). Also, if the paragraph is true and the first table does have some "misunderstanding of concepts", then surely that means that table is wrong and needs to be adjusted accordingly? Wolf ODonnell 21:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps its best if the first table is removed.  --tess 19:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: (where is this data table?)  It would be nice if we could go as far back as possible; e.g.,
Animals:
Rat, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog and Pig.
Please note:  these are not accurate, just to give you an idea.  1645-1899 and Calendars (Discussion of Stem/Branch or Element/Animal)
--MonteShaffer 16:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of the lunar calendar and zodiac 

message: The characters used in the article are those of the actual animal in question.  There are distinct characters used for the zodiac signs that are in general quite different from those of the animals:
# Rat: 子
# Ox: 丑
# Tiger: 寅
# Rabbit: 卯
# Dragon: 辰
# Snake: 巳
# Horse: 午
# Goat: 未
# Monkey: 申
# Rooster: 酉
# Dog: 戌
# Pig: 亥
I have never seen the actual animals' characters used in any Chinese or Japanese calendar that incorporates astrological information or any book on the Chinese zodiac for that matter: only these characters ever seem to be used.  This article is the only source I've ever seen that uses the animal characters.  I am not sure why this is so; I'll do some further research and make the appropriate changes once I know the reason. Stormwyrm 17:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese characters for the signs of the Zodiac 

message: I have removed a personal attack against User:RJASE1 that was posted below. I am not sure who posted it, because many anonymous IP's have been used to edit this page (but it was not the account used above at  by "Wayne").
If you are the new contributor and would like to repost your questions, please do the following:
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#Register for an account and log in.  Otherwise, your comments are likely to be disregarded as a sockpuppet and/or single purpose account.
Thank you, Satori Son 15:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal attack removed

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It offers meaningful, relevant content, but cannot be integrated into the Wikipeida article due to the amount of details.
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thread_title:  Why this old link is not SPAM and should be relisted (Discussion #1) 

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#The link: http://destinyandluck.com
#Description: A site provide free calculators to calculate animal sign, lunar birth date, Zi Wei Dou Shu birth chart, and Zi Wei Dou Shu Luck Chart.
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1. It contains neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail.  I have verified the calculator accuracy by running boundary tests, random checks and using my family birthdates.  It was easy to verified since I do have books in this subjects.
 
2. It offers meaningful, relevant content (for example, it clearly show readers what a Zi Wei Dou Shu chart looks like and why Zi Wei Dou Shu chart is a laborious system of computing one's fate and destiny 
, as described at the Background section of the main article, futher enhancing readers' understanding of a branch of popular Chinese astrology), but not really suitable to include all data for all users in the main article.
3. Also, a personla note, it is the only English free and correct calculator for Zi Wei Dou Shu I could find on the Web over the years.
--Wayne888 11:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why this old link is not SPAM and should be relisted (Discussion #2) 

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#The link: http://www.hall-of-man.com 
#Description: Features an online calculator. A lesser known medieval synthesis of the Chinese calendrical concepts with the I Ching symbolism (aka The Astrology of I Ching)
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--Wayne888 11:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why this old link is not SPAM and should be relisted (Discussion #3)