Talk:Dead man's switch

message: Generally speaking, a brake application that is caused by an alertor (vigilance device) or other deadman device is a full service application, not an emergency application.  An emergency application could cause wheel sliding or on a long freight train using knuckle couplers, a severe run-in that may trigger a derailment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.69.12.5 (talk) 05:37, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railway "deadman" brake applications 

message: As chairman became chairperson, is there a gender neutral version of this phrase that can be used instead? I.e. rename the page, and put a  on the resulting redirect page, with category Category:Redirects from gender. Tantek (talk) 00:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not if its common name is still "dead man's switch". Wikipedia should follow the sources and not try to get out in front on the whole woke PC thing. — voidxor 22:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender neutral variant 

message: Pointless fork of Dead man's switch that consists only of a few sentences. Nothing here that justifies another article. I attempted a WP:BLAR but was met with an angry revert for some reason. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Lose the attitude. I gave you my reasons in my edit summary. You needed to propose a merger. BLAR is for uncontroversial problematic articles; this one has a history of failed merger proposals and you seem to have known as much. Even the lead of that article says, "It is a hybrid between a dead-man's switch and a vigilance control," which contradicts your assertion that the switch and vigilance device are synonymous. — voidxor 22:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  And you continue the aggressiveness even as you agree that there's no reason to have a separate article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're missing the point. I "agree" they can be merged but  with your unilateral deletion that didn't give a chance to keep any elements of the other article, nor give attribution in the history of this article that linked to the other. — voidxor 16:06, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

text:  In your last statement above, you're trying to catch me in a "gotcha" because I support the merger. I'm really surprised by that statement and your others. I'm not being aggressive in the least; I simply disagree with your original methodology. We've worked well together on WikiProject Trains for awhile now, and I don't want to throw that away just because you're bitter that I gave you strong pushback on one action. — voidxor 16:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a bold edit. You reverted it, which is your right, and I followed your request to start a merge request, per BRD. The attitude you showed in the revert message was completely unnecessary and counterproductive towards collaborative editing. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:07, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was surprised by the unilateral "deletion", but perhaps you're right. Sorry for that. — voidxor 13:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Klbrain (talk) 13:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Dead-man's vigilance device]] into [[Dead man's switch]] 

message: The search term "Dead man's handle" was redirecting here instead of to the novel title Dead Man's Handle as the book article has a disambiguation statement directing back to this article, I removed the redirect. 23skidoo (talk) 04:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't delete it; you redirected it to the novel. I disagree with that change because this article is the primary topic (the handle is a particular way to implement what is also described here as a switch). Somebody searching for the lowercase "" could be looking for either, but we must assume the primary topic first, and then provide a hatnote linking from here to the book title (a proper noun). — voidxor 15:56, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've switched it back, using a section link and a section hatnote to disambiguate at the new target. Klbrain (talk) 13:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect removed