Talk:Stielhandgranate

message: That picture looks like a 3D rendering of the grenade instead of an actual photo?  Can we find something better? --Graphic 05:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Nazi was a political party. He fought for Germany, and thus was a German soldier. His political ideology can not be determined by the colors he wore. True, all German soldiers took an oath to Hitler, but many fought for the Fatherland, not for Hitler.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.141.93.135 (talk) 20:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This line: "This type of grenade, featuring a high explosive charge encased in a thin sheet steel can, is an example of an "offensive" (relying on blast effect), rather than "defensive" (fragmentation) grenade."  needs a reference.  The concept of relying upon  blast for offensive use and fragmentation for defensive use is not in current usage in the US military, or in any reference I've read.  IF it is factually correct, it needs to be cited.
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It is correct see :de:Handgranate for explanation.--Tresckow 23:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The statement about "offensive" and "defensive" needs a reference

message: I can not think of a reason not too, however I can not do it my self, please give any objections or express willingness to preform the merge here Deuxhero 18:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge is easy when the article already exists and you don't need to preserve the talk page. Just edit this article to contain the useful bits from stick grenade (really just the picture and trivia]] and then edit the other article to just be a redirect here. Chris Cunningham 19:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  And now we have a problem. The article is called "Model 24 grenade", but it also covers the M15 and M17 stick grenades of WW1. "stick grenade" would be more general of an article name as it would also allow the inclusion of non-German and German non-WW2 stick grenade models. Like for instance the aforementioned German Model 15 and 17, the Austro-Hungarian Rohrhandgranate, the Swedish M18 and M39, the Swiss M43... and there are probably others I'm not aware of. Perhaps a rename of the article is in order? Don Durandal (talk) 10:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Stick grenade]] 

message: It's claimed the stick granade can be thrown further than the Mill's bomb, and says fifteen yards for the latter, but the Mill's bomb's own page says 30 metres throwing distance with reasonable accuracy. -- Ralph Corderoy (talk) 12:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mill's Bomb Distance 

message: I've read in a book that the Chinese stick grenade used by the NRA is the Type 23. I'm having doubts that the Type 67 is used in WWII, given that the "67" designation would mean that it was made in 1967 while the "23" designation was made in 1933. Ominae (talk) 20:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese (Pre-PRC) stick grenade name confusion

message: It has been debated before, but I want to bring it up again. Should we merge the Model 43 grenade and Model 24 grenade articles into one named Stielhandgranate or perhaps Stick grenade? This way we could present the evolution of the various stick grenade models/variants from WWI throughout WWII in a single article without the confusion that's currently present. M11rtinb (talk) 18:40, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That overlooks the existence of the British stick grenades No 1 Grenade, or the Russian/Soviet Model 1914 grenade. There is a section on stick grenades under hand grenade, that is the appropriate place to mention them. GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:49, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: To avoid confusion with the Russian and English stick grenades I agree that we shouldn't merge them (the M24 and M43) into an article named Stick grenade, but what about the name Stielhandgranate? M11rtinb (talk) 19:01, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: :Model 24 grenade →  – The articles describes the evolution of the Stielhandgranate and all of its numerous variants, not just the M24 M11rtinb (talk) 09:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 1 April 2017 

message: Is it possible to include more specific details for the size of the different types of Stielhandgranate grenades?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.67.9 (talk) 18:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Dimension/Specifications for the size of the device 

message: The current article is a mess and should be split into three different articles. The M15, M16 and M17 are basically variants of the same design, while the M24 is an evolved design from the M17 with a full new development cycle and history and should thus preferrably have its own article (this is comparable to the F-15 Eagle and F-15E Strike Eagle, AK-47 and RPK, etc). The M43 is a complete new design on paper, featuring both a new warhead and stick design.
, u have previously had strong opinions on page names and form factor etc, do u have any opinion on this? Blockhaj (talk) 08:13, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd stick with the current layout and build up the sections until there is the amount of content to warrant splitting out. GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:22, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have cleaned up the article a bit but the M24 takes up 50% of the article.--Blockhaj (talk) 12:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split article