Talk:List of Batman family enemies

message: I'm not familiar with the Batman Universe, so looking at the list of names and brief bios of the Batman villains I can't help that notice that they seem to be either the single most motley bunch of badly written cliches in the history of comic books, or ironically written ? Which is it ? I can't believe a writing team would create villains of such utter crapness without irony ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.196.158 (talk) 15:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Were the villains written tongue in cheek ?

message: Furth Villains suggested for addition:
Metalhead (Batman 486), Dagger 1 & 2, Zebra-Man, Zodiac Master, Frederick Rhino, Joe Rabbit, Galvan, Czonka, Cypher, Lynx, Bird, Zombie and Trogg, Mekros, Sleeper, Narcosis, Faceless, Ugly American, Chancer, Allergent, Banner, Crimesmith, Getaway Genius, Bouncer, Mr baffle, Tweedle Dee and Dum, Mortimer Kadaver, Corossive Man, Mahakala, Mirage, Deathstroke, Night-Thief, Nocturna, Doctor Fang, Snowman, Savage Skull, Obeah Man, Quiz and Query (Echo), Echo (Russiand assassin), Dragoncat, Gunhawk, Steeljacket, Cassidy, Wilis Danko, Feedback, Dynamiteer, Tumultor, Harpy, Monarch of Menaces, Shin Tzu.--134.34.13.172 14:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested additions

message: Uhm, why was this page moved fro List of Batman villains to List of Batman enemies?  That possessive form is really grating.  It replaces a vaugly POV-word with a very unprofessional descriptor.  If the title needs to be made more objective, surely List of Batman adversaries or List of Batman antagonists would be better selections than this uber-personalization. ~CS 19:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, though to Batman Family. - jc37 15:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Move

message: I've noticed that Dracula isn't mentioned at all here. He was by a landslide one of Batman's most dangerous foes, and I believe he should be mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.111.244.211 (talk) 05:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Count 

message: The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content is not appropriate, and the images have been removed. Please do not restore them. — Moe ε 21:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use criteria

message: Since Arnie apparently has his own article now, should he have an entry in the Mobster section?  
Czar Baldy Bald IV (talk) 00:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arnold Stromwell

message: You all remember her from BTAS, right?  I forget what the woman's name was, but I believe she has brunette hair with glasses and wore a business-type outfit.  She was there to help Baby Doll in the first one.
I just remember laughing alot because of her lines.  Like, Baby Doll would yell, "Cynthiaaaa!" or something and this chick would just come in kicking.  And I remember when Robin asked her something like, "Why are you working with her (Baby Doll?"  The woman responded something like, "Eh, it's a living" and then proceeded to beat the mess out of Robin.
For those of you with the DVDs, you will probably be able to easily found out who I am talking about.
I'm not saying this person should be a major villain, but for goodness sakes Punch and Judy are listed along with the atrocity that is "The Batman."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaunceyishere1987 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Baby Doll's Helper

message: Someone needs to add her under the Ventriloquist and split the box. I would but i do not know how 24.164.136.207 (talk) 12:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Peyton Reilly

message: Someone needs to add the black glove and simon hurt  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.136.207 (talk) 23:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Glove

message: I've got a reprint of Worlds Finet #175 in which a group known as the Batman Revenge Squad (who team up with the Superman Revenge Squad) have Superman and Batman in a contest. Should they be mentioned considering they are one of the few villain teams to appear in the Batman comics? 86.129.43.82 (talk) 21:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Batman Revenge Squad 

message: While such a distinction is, by default, rather arbitrary (which I have no problem with per se), there are a few names on the list that I can't make out to be "central" no matter what criteria I use. Batzarro only had one real appearance, and KGBeast had a handful of appearances more often than not played as a minor villain. While I wouldn't call Cluemaster or Tweedledee & Tweedledum "central rogues" either, I can buy those more easily since Cluemaster was a central foe of Robin and the Tweeds have been around since the 1940s. But what's the defense for Batzarro and KGBeast? I propose moving them to the "lesser renown" list. 80.217.101.213 (talk) 18:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Special connection and story arc... look at the requirements when you try to edit. It says what qualifies to make the list. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 00:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree that these are minor characters at best.  4.20.98.115 (talk) 22:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Central rogues gallery?

message: I have been reviewing this page from time to time when I have a few minutes.  Today (May 17, 2009) marks the second time that I have corrected the entry for the Gorilla Boss to show his correct real name.  It is George "Boss" Dyke, as given in the comics themselves and all Batman reference books that discuss the story.  It has *never*, to my knowledge, been given as Alex "Boss" Bossie.  Whoever keeps inserting that information needs to stop.  It is incorrect.  Thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.170.11.126 (talk) 17:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Name of Gorilla Boss 

message: There are like 7 clayfaces but only 4 are listed. Shouldn't more be added?24.168.38.78 (talk) 15:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  other clayfaces 

message: Should Professor Pyg and the Circus of Strange be added to the villian's list?24.168.38.78 (talk) 14:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm doing that now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArtistScientist (talk • contribs) 04:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professor Pyg 

message: i'm sorry I have too ask
I've seen an enemy called "ace" (i think)
and shes about 12, and she can change reality, and shes a "leader" of these card people
but I cant find her existance anywhere
Oh and I saw it on some batman episode thing.
Benjabby 21:47 12 august 2009 (UCT)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjabby (talk • contribs) 20:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACE 

message: I don't think this should be it's own section.  They should probably be moved to Foes of Lesser Renown.  None of these characters have appeared in more than a few issues, and many of the foes of lesser renown are arguably more important and have had a bigger impact.ZODtheReaper (talk) 02:45, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Circus of Strange and new era supervillains

message: From the TV Series - lame, but a legit adversary! 74.120.152.118 (talk) 16:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Louie the Lilac

message: Having a bit of issue with placing Catwoman, who has a lot of the "anti-hero" trademarks and whose alliance has been in question for years, can be placed with the main villains like The Joker. Perhaps a section dealing with just her (especially since her stance as anti-hero is never even mentioned in this article (EDIT: Until now, when I added that into the table so it at least gets SOME mention)), or putting her with those that have had conflicts with Batman, or something of the sort, would be more appropriate for her character. Darkpower (talk) 10:15, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catwoman as complete villain? 

message: He is not on the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.88.13 (talk) 04:41, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calender Man 

message: Hoaxes related to the name "Weasand" have been added to several articles. Can it be verified whether this character exists? Peter James (talk) 23:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasand 

message: I believe that Great White Shark is known well enough to be moved up to the Classic Rogues Gallery section. PentyClaws (talk) 18:26, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great White Shark moved  

message: One thing I have noticed that users are doing is that they are putting characters who are not Batman villains on this list and justifying it by bringing up a minor encounter the villain may have had with Batman. However, only villains who are primarily enemies of Batman or Bat-family members should be in the article. There is no reason why characters such as the Cheetah, Captain Boomerang, and Captain Cold sould be listed in the article. They may have had a minor conflict with members of the Bat-family but they are not Batman villains. In order to be on this list, I think the villain or character should follow at least one of these criteria:
1. They are primarily an enemy of Batman or a member of the Bat-family.
2. They have had at least one MAJOR encounter with a member of the Bat-family or Batman himself (Justice League titles, Elseworlds, appearances in non-Batman related books, ETC shouldn't count). This is why characters such Lex Luthor (who once went up against Batman when he became president of the fictional United States of America), Deathstroke, Tobias Whale (who played a large role in Gotham Underground) and Bronze Tiger were left on the list.
3. They have gone up against Batman or a member of the Bat-family enough times to warrant a spot in the article . This is why such characters as Count Vertigo, Solomon Grundy, Onomatopoeia, Merlyn and the Gentleman Ghost were left on the list.
If you disagree with any of this, please respond and state your case before editing certain characters back into the article.
Darkknight2149 (talk) 02:27, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only Batman villains should go on this list 

message: What is the consensus on having Superman in the "Allies in conflict" section? I want to make sure no editors oppose it before deciding if I should add him or not. While he is primarily Batman's ally, Superman and Batman have fought many, many times due to various reasons.
Darkknight2149 (talk) 14:35, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superman In "Allies in conflict" 

message: I don't believe that Blockbuster is notable enough to be listed in the Classic Rogues Gallery, but I think Copperhead and Count Vertigo are. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Darkknight2149 (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classic Rogues Gallery 

message: I have come to the realisation that, in order for this article to meet Wikipedia standards, either the Fictional biographies will have to be straight up character bios (I.E. no real world information or listings as to who portrayed the character in other media) OR the Fictional biographies will have to once again become "Descriptions" and every character's description will have to be re-written to include real world information. Thoughts, anyone? Darkknight2149 (talk) 19:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional biography/Descriptions 

message: I added The Interrogator to the lesser known villians list. I think H.A.R.D.A.C. would make a great addition too. Germanator 14:05, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: More lesser known Villians

message: I am in the process of removing all real world information out of the fictional character biographies, including their appearances in other media, what actor plays them, ETC, with the exception of vital real world information. Don't panic! All of the information I have removed is easily retrievable through the article edit history and all of the information that doesn't go in a fictional biography can be given its own section. I plan on making this article reach Wikipedia standards and plan on adding citations, fixing the sloppiness of the article, and more.
I am also taking the time to remove unnecessary, trivial and random information that doesn't belong. 
Edits:       
Darkknight2149 (talk) 18:10, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future of the article 

message: I'm thinking of splitting the Classic Rogues Gallery table into two smaller sections. One section would continue to be the Classic Rogues Gallery, while the other would be Other Major Adversaries. The reason I wish to do this is because there are a number of villains that I don't think can really be called "classic" Batman villains that aren't obscure enough to go in Foes of Lesser renown.
The Classic Rogues Gallery would continue to include characters like Bane, Black Mask, the Joker, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Catwoman, Two Face, Riddler, ETC. Other Major Adversaries would include characters like Anarky, Rag Doll, Great White Shark, Catman, Copperhead, ETC. 
Are there any objections? Darkknight2149 (talk) 22:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding another table 

message: This may be useful in expanding this article with more villains. Just make sure any characters you add are verifiable. DarkKnight2149 17:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Every Batman villain ever 

message: This article should be overhauled and rearranged to be by date of debut and not by alphabetical order.
Fluffyroll11 (talk) 20:07, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Might I ask why? I'm sure you have a solid reason for such a suggestion, but I'm not sure what it is. DarkKnight2149 23:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Overhauled to be by Debut

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message: I propose that Abattoir (comics) be merged into List of Batman Family adversaries . I think that the content in the Abattoir (comics) article can easily be explained in the context of List of Batman Family adversaries, and the List of Batman Family adversaries article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Abattoir (comics) will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Plus, the character Abattoir is not as well-known as other Batman villains like The Joker, Two-Face, or Ra's al Ghul.NeoBatfreak (talk) 02:16, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: "Abattoir" is already listed, and the Abattoir (comics) article relies almost exclusively on plot summary. If notability is the issue, you should propose the article for deletion and expand Abbatoir's fictional biography section on this article. DarkKnight2149 03:53, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Deletion and redirect it is then.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 04:29, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:   I went ahead with the merge. Apparently, there was already a consensus to merge the article back when Abattoir (comics) was proposed for deletion. However, for whatever reason, nobody got around to doing it. A year later, a user who didn't agree with the merge removed the template, and then added this to the article's Talk Page. Given that no formal discussions took place to have the article reinstated, this merger should have happened several years ago but simply slipped by without anyone noticing. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. DarkKnight2149 23:18, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
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message: This image, , is a better fit for the infobox in my opinion. It shows a wider spectrum of Batman villains, instead of the main rogues gallery - especially since this is an article for "Batman Family adversaries." Also, the characters from the current image are mostly obscured in blackness. Finally, the proposed image is a higher quality piece of art. As pointed out in an earlier discussion, the current image looks cartoonish and not a well depicted representation. DrRC (talk) 01:16, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current image is better since it shows the typical Batman adversaries and does not specifically need a wider spectrum. The characters are not obscured in blackness, but are shown in bright colors so readers can easily distinguish them from each other. The new image drowns the characters out in hues of reds to purples, instead of their normal color characteristics,  making it hard for readers to distinguish characters from each other.  If I felt this image was on par with the current image or better, I would have not reverted, but I feel this image is well below in quality for illustrating the adversaries.  If a consensus is found here that the new image is better or a brand new image is the best, I will happily abide by it. Aspects (talk) 02:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I truly hate to disagree with my colleague DrRC. I find the proposed image to be so highly stylized that the characters don't exhibit their traditional "on-model" look, and its so tinted as to make it hard to differentiate among them. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:42, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Tenebrae, your input is always insightful and well-thought-out. It would be great to find a photo with a larger number of characters in full view, perhaps one without Batman in the image. Consensus favors the current image, and I appreciate and respect the views of both you and Aspects regarding this issue. DrRC (talk) 15:50, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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message: While I know exactly who Mr. Zsasz is, I find heavy fault with his description as a "Classic Rogue". Most regular people will instantly recognize the majority of the other villains, but I doubt Mr. Zsasz will generate even close to the same reaction as Joker, Bane, Penguin, or even Killer Moth. Not to mention that after several hours of research I have not found a single source even insinuating that he is one of the longest running and most notorious villains in the Batman mythos; in fact, I have found the opposite: many sources claim that he is not very well known at all. I propose that he be moved to "Recurring Adversaries". MasterHedgehog76 (talk) 18:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Late reply ... but anyway since Victor Zsasz's inclusion in the Classic Rogues section is unsourced, you can be bold and moved it to another section on your own. If anyone disagrees they can always provide a reliable source and revert/discuss. FWIW, I previously tried and failed to find a reliable source to verify Zsasz's inclusion as well. Bennv3771 (talk) 04:02, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Victor Zsasz

message: Two rogues lacked citations on why they should be in the central rogues gallery. Those were Firefly and Victor Zsasz. These rogues were transferred to recurring enemies list. If anyone provides the citation for those two. I will immediately revert it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.13.92.194 (talk) 18:40, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
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message: I removed a reference to Who's Who Update '87 #1 stating that Paula Brooks was the daughter of the Zatara foe The Huntress, as this was retracted by a note in the Appendix in issue #5 of the same series. Just leaving this here in hopes that it will prevent anyone from readding the note. --Khajidha (talk) 18:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Huntress (Paula Brooks) 

message: Looking at this page, I see that it has been said before, but I agree that it is badly in need of an overhaul. We are 10 years out from the Morrison era, and it is still given a special prominence. Characters who have made one appearance are listed amongst 'classic rogues gallery' because they happen to use the same name as another character (How many Clayfaces are actually classic?). The alphabetical listing within the arbitrary categories makes it appear that Anarky is on the same level as the Joker, and much more important than Joe Chill. 
A listing in order of first appearance, broken down by decade, and with potentially a minimum number of appearances (5? with exceptions for truly notable characters that pass WP:GNG) would remove all subjective elements from the list. --Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 (talk) 15:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think such a chronological listing would make it harder to find particular enemies. Alphabetical by codename would be better. Maybe a table sortable by either name or date of introduction. If a character has changed codenames, a full listing at their initial codename with a "See:OTHERNAME" link would be appropriate.--Khajidha (talk) 19:16, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Another obvious trim is the reformed section. A note in each character's write up would seem sufficient. Even after these characters reform in the mainstream DC comics, they are often still presented as villains in alternative timelines and other media. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 17:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

text: That much detail doesn't belong here, it belongs in the article for the Joker. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 20:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say go into detail. This is an overview page. So context is important. see also WP:SS. - jc37 20:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not context, it's excessive detail. The Joker write up should be something like: "The Joker is Batman's most well known adversary. Debuting in Batman #1 (March 1940), he has the appearance of a clown. Over the years he has been presented in varying ways, from a basically harmless prankster to a sadistic serial killer. He is often presented as considering Batman his only worthy adversary." This isn't the DC wiki (where I also edit) and need not get bogged down in the weeds of the continuity so much. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 16:42, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul