Talk:Guillemet

message: Do other English speakers really say ['geɪ.lə.mɛt]? I've never heard anyone pronounce the word, but I'd say something like ['gɪ.jə.mɛt]. <22 Feb,  Utilitaritron>
:I noticed the funky IPA, too. It doesn't look right to me and I've never heard it said that way by native French speakers. According to my Collins-Robert (ISBN:0-06-095690-9) French-English dictionary, the IPA is (using a non-IPA keyboard) /gijmE/. Ckamaeleon ((T)) 11:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say ['gɪləmət]. Evertype 00:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The American Heritage first gives an Anglicized gĭl'ə-mět'.  I've been inserting a w--gwĭl'ə-mět--obviously a "spelling pronunciation" by one whose French is patchy at best.  I've never heard the word said by anyone but myself or someone I'd given the term to. GeorgeTSLC 00:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: There where no instructions for how to do these characters on linux so I added some. Thing is I'm running KDE with a British 105 key layout and I don't have any way of testing if this works on other layouts or linux systems. Could someone please verify this isn't unique to my system's configuration?
84.9.55.42 (talk) 22:44, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linux systems 

message: I've never seen them used to indicate speech in Swedish... We use "..." as far as I know.
not registered but yeah, Swedish..
: You probably don't read enough :) It's used in Swedish typography all right. It's probably seen less use in recent years, but I think there might be somewhat of a comeback going on. The jargon term is »gåsögon» (goose eyes). 195.149.148.24 (talk) 11:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've never seen it in Swedish text either, but then I mostly read English literature. The Swedish article on quotation marks states (paraphrased): 'Swedish text normally uses only the right-pointing quotation marks ” and ’, and less frequently › and ».' Thus, my opinion is that the article is misleading; it could easily be seen to state that Swedish uses only the less common characters. I suggest the addition of a short comment, explaining that the use is rare, or something else to that effect. Of course, Swedish shouldn't be treated specially, and any other language where this is true should have the same text. If there are a sufficient amount, perhaps they should have a category for themselves. 83.227.162.5 (talk) 15:08, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

text: In last rightward-pointing "»...»" section it says "this and «...» are rarely used" but Swedish doesn't appear in the outward-pointing section. Rather it appears only on the inward pointing section. If Swedes mostly use " but sometimes use »...», then do they ever use «...» or »...«, and if so which one is it? Once known can we fix the page to match? I'm only half Swede and only speak English so I couldn't say.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.88.176.4 (talk) 07:06, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish? 

message: : In last rightward-pointing "»...»" section it says "this and «...» are rarely used" but Swedish doesn't appear in the outward-pointing section. Rather it appears only on the inward pointing section. If Swedes mostly use " but sometimes use »...», then do they ever use «...» or »...«, and if so which one is it? Once known can we fix the page to match? I'm only half Swede and only speak English so I couldn't say.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.88.176.4 (talk) 07:06, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internal Inconsistency WRT Swedish use 

message: I've never seen guillemets in Hungarian either as far as I can recall. If it is ever used, it must only occur under some rare circumstances. --CyHawk (talk) 17:32, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungarian 

message: Hello,
I would like Word *always* to insert guillemets when I type quotation marks. Isn't there any way to do this without having to write a Macro or change my entire keyboard layout?
--213.168.109.178 (talk) 22:28, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guillemets in Word 

message: The Unicode standard lists 《 as LEFT DOUBLE ANGLE BRACKET (not to be confused with ⟪, MATHEMATICAL LEFT DOUBLE ANGLE BRACKET), which seems decidedly different than a Guillemet. Should Chinese (and by extension, North Korean) be listed or removed? --moof (talk) 10:47, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Chinese be listed? 

message: Is it worth mentioning that all the quotation marks (“…”, and ‘…’) on this page are incorrect? I only see single and double primes ("…", and '…'). These so-called “straight quotes” are easier to type, but are certainly not quotation marks, and should be reserved for indicating either inches and feet, or seconds and minutes. They’re even used in the quotation marks section of the right sidebar!
miltonBradley 20:02, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, characters U+0022 and U+0027 are officially defined by the Unicode standard as "QUOTATION MARK" and "APOSTROPHE; APOSTROPHE-QUOTE", so they're not technically primes (which are completely separate characters U+2032 and U+2033 in Unicode).  In any case, “ ” ‘ ’ are the "smartquotes", which are not required by WP:MOS.  Smartquotes certainly look visually better in most cases, but they have a somewhat complex history in computer character-set standards which hindered their adoption by websites which place importance on cross-platform interoperability for a number of years. AnonMoos (talk) 21:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primes and double-primes? 

message: I'm a native Khmer speaker and I've never been taught about using guillemet nor ever see any of them in real life (we use American quotation marks). My speculation is this is obsolete (Cambodia used to be a French colony for almost a century).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ចេក ម៉ានុត (talk • contribs) 09:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are a native Khmer speaker, you surely know better than me but… are you sure? The Khmer keyboard does have them. Also, several fonts (, , , , , , , ) designed specifically for Khmer (i.e., not having Latin letters) do have them. Code Page Guy (talk) 15:05, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khmer should be removed 

message: Need to resolve contradictory definitions:
Second intro paragraph says: "single ‹ and › -is a guillemet"
But first paragraph in "Guillemets in computing" says:
"a corresponding single angle (not actually a guillemet)"
Which is correct?
ArtKocsis (talk) 19:43, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, but several languages use only the doubled marks (never the single)... AnonMoos (talk) 01:39, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:   Internal Inconsistency WRT single < and >  

message: This section sounds like nationalistic gibberish, contains no sources (especially to support the claim that guillemets lead to SGML) and is badly written.
I suggest it be removed. Swissnetizen (talk) 17:26, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: +1 Jordan Brown (talk) 01:31, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guillemets in computing 

message: An HTML comment I just removed suggested  is also used as a ditto mark in France. Is this so? Is this documented in a reliable source (possibly only in the French language)? -- Beland (talk) 01:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The second citation for French usage at ditto mark#Other languages:  might suggest yes but fr:wikipedia:guillemet itératif does not exist. So it would seem that it is specific to Quebec. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:12, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ditto mark in France? 

message: I've never seen this style of quotation marks used in Czech even though I'm a Czech native and have been living in the Czech Republic and working as a translator between Czech and English most of my life. Until someone provides a credible reference that attests to this usage, I'm removing Czech from the list. Eltomito (talk) 20:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in Czech