Talk:Walt Disney/Archive 1

message: This article states that "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, released in 1937, was Disney's and the world's first feature-length animated film."
But the article on animation history says that "The first animated feature-length film was El Apóstol (1917)".
There is an error somewhere. My guess is that Snow White was the first American feature-length animated film. Are there anybody who can clarify this and make the appropriate changes? (OuroborosSlayer)
:It's not even the first American one. Max Fleischer made some educational features in the 1920s that were around 50% animated. "First American animated feature film in full color" is correct. I will change it. --b. Touch 22:34, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snow White - the first? 

message: Shouldn't the statement that Disney was an "animator" be removed?
:He was an animator until 1924. --b. Touch 18:10, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animator? 

message: This article needs a SERIOUS rewrite. Besides being factually incorrect in a number of places, its prose is not encyclopediaic at all, and it also needs to be compacted. 
What needs to be done is to create an article for the Walt Disney animation studio and reverse merge the bulk of that part of this article into that article (and also integrate what is now at Walt Disney Feature Animation and set up a redirect), and to make sure this article is primarily about Walt Disney the person, and not the studio, because trying to cover both in one article makes for, as exists now, something truly unwieldy.
I am presently starting on both articles now. We can work on them here until they are both completed, because it will take a while to complete both.:
* Walt Disney/temp
* Walt Disney animation studio/temp
--b. Touch 18:38, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup request and accuracy concerns 

message: I removed this:
The name itself came from an occasion when a young Mickey Rooney walked into Disney's office whilst on a visit; Disney showed Rooney some pictures of Mortimer Mouse (as he was called at the time), and it occurred to him that the name Mickey would have a better ring to it.
...because it's not true. When Mickey Mouse was created in early 1928, Mickey Rooney wasn't even "Mickey Rooney": he was Joe Yule, Jr. playing "Mickey McGuire" in the Mickey McGuire series. Rooney's claim of Walt naming Mickey is only supported by his words: pratically every book written on Walt Disney and/or Mickey Mouse identifies Lillian as the one who came up with the name "Mickey".
A Google search finds this article, which makes the supposition obviously false, as Walt didn't work at Warner Bros..
--b. Touch 00:41, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mickey Rooney 

message: can we say Walter Elias "Walt" Disney instead of Walter Elias Disney, commonly known as Walt Disney? --b. Touch 20:00, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I removed the list of shorts from this article. This information is still available in the history, and should be included in a list of Disney animated shorts, which is a somewhat necessary article. --b. Touch 02:12, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of shorts 

message: There is no reason to place a link to the List of Disney animated features at the top of this page. Stop doing this. --b. Touch 04:16, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Disney animated features]] 

message: Got a question for the Disney experts (as in the man, not the company) here.  I've got another article here on Wikipedia that claims that Walt Disney was of Hispanic descent.  Can anyone confirm or deny this for me so I can resolve this?  As far as I know, he's roughly of Irish liniage.  Thanks.--Mitsukai 17:06, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity of Disney 

message: We remove the subcategory completely, and put it in the "Trivia" section, like this:
* A number of rumors have been attributed to Walt Disney:
: "Walt Disney was an illegitimate child."
: "Walt Disney received a dishonorable discharge from the military during World War I."
: "Disney had his body frozen and became a cryonics patient after his death."
: These are all untrue. Widely spread and retold, they have become urban legends.
If there's no strong opposition, I'll do it. --Janke | Talk 07:56, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: How about this:

message: Let's keep down the Urban legends to just a few, please. (And only to those available/"confirmable" at the Snopes sites.) Otherwise  this section may again grow uncontrollably. Thanks! --Janke | Talk 06:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban legends tend to grow... again! 

message: From the "Testimony before Congress" section:
Walt Disney testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee, and he named several of his employees as Communist sympathizers...  Despite his motivations, the fact remains that several of Disney's employees were said to be Communist sympathizers."
WHAT?? 
Unless you happen to be an iron-fisted Stalinist dictator, you simply cannot justify a witch-hunt like this by claiming "the fact remains that rumours existed."
This whole page desperately needs a rewrite, preferably this time by someone who is not in the employ of this disney corporation. (Anon IP address)
* I removed the last "creepy" sentence. "...were said to" doesn't prove it.  The fact of the testimony itself is well documented, so let's leave that... --Janke | Talk 14:26, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The tone of some of this entry is very creepy 

message: Should we cut down on this? It's more than a screenful now? BTW, Disney as informant - is that documented anywhere else than in "Dark Prince"? If not, it might be removed, too. --Janke | Talk 17:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Did Walt Disney graduate from high school or not? This article claims he did, but a Google search turns up countless articles saying he didn't; they say he only attended one year of high school, then left. One site does say he eventually received an honorary diploma from his high school—at age 58. What's the truth? Does he go in :Category:High school dropouts or not? -Silence 08:35, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  High school? 

message: Doesn't this better belong in the Ub Iwerks article, rather than here? It's been on and off for some time now. Consensus? --Janke | Talk 21:03, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flip the Frog newspaper clipping 

message: This doesn't make sense! He moved to Kansas City… and still attended the Chicago Arts Institute? One hell of a commute, wouldn't you say? —Mproud 10:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicago Arts Institute? 

message: I was wondering...was Walt Disney anti-semitic?  I've heard that it was pretty well known that he hated Jews and that may have sponsored the rumour that he had Nazi-sympathies.  It may be untrue that if one is anti-semetic, they are also Nazi's, but was he even anti-semitic?
Historically, Disney was in a constant struggle for survival against the major studios.  Warner Brothers, Paramount, Fox, Columbia, Universal and MGM were all primarily ran and owned by Jewish principles, who controlled the vast majority of theatrical distribution of films and most of the  talent in Hollywood(Check out the book, "An Empire of their Own", by Neal Gabler).  Disney also lost his first cartoon character, Oswald the Lucky Rabbit to Universal and most of his artists left to work for Universal. So I'd imagine there had to be some animosity towards these powerful studios and with that "some" anti-semitic resentment. The only anti-semitic reference I've ever seen was a quote made when one of Disney's artists left to work for Universal and Disney supposedly made an anti-semitic remark towards the Universal ownership to the artist when he tendered his resignation, this I believe was in Gabler's book.  But in terms of being anti-semitic or hating the Jewish race as a whole this is unfounded. (C.Brown July 2006) 
Is this something worth adding to the bio...because Disney corp. is a powerful company and i doubt they want rumours on his bio...that..and well...if it's true...I'm sure they'd rather not have it up here...and we all know what that means....more sabotage of wikipedia.
I also heard that he was extremely prejudiced against blacks, and refused to hire any for as long as he ran Disney studios.  Can anyone verify if this is true?--Paradigm 15:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-semitic 

message: Every single biography that is used as a reference on this article has been given the once over by Disney to ensure it keeps the image clean, and as such this article is completely whitewashed. There is only a couple of unofficial biographies that discuss what he was really like. Sure I think he was probably a creative genius, where is the fact that he was a misogynist, a racist, an anti-Semitic and an a spy and informant for Hoover. Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince. Is it going to be another whitewash of an a American Icon.
:: you mean the book widely debunked as fictional?  GuzzyG (talk) 20:29, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I suppose that it should come as no surprise that the American-hating left would target Disney in their efforts to revise history.  Still, to devote a major portion of his bio to various and sundry alleged shortcomings (all of which are hotly disputed by those who knew him) is rather embarrassing to Wikipedia.  The reference to Disney exemplifying American imperialism is the kind of absurdity found only in English, sociology, and other hard-left departments on campus.74.179.120.105 (talk) 19:57, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Whitewash

message: Request to edit the line about Academy Award nominations to "Walt Disney holds the record for both the most Academy Award nominations for an individual (59) and the number of Oscars awarded (22)." Added the term "for an individual" as MGM holds more nominations (62) according to the Official Academy Awards Database.  This source is already cited in the article so new source would not need to be added.
ToeAndno (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This has already been . /wia /tlk 01:52, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2015 

message: there is a spelling error on this page that says employess instead of employees.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyCool22 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  employess 

message: I think iconic characters like these deserve at least a brief mention, especially with mention things like the Three Little Pigs and the Old Mill which are also largely about the studio. LittleJerry (talk) 17:19, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in the biography of WED. In the article about the studio or the MM universe maybe, but not here, or we'll be bloating it out with all sorts of increasingly trivial stuff. – SchroCat (talk) 17:26, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: But there is also mention of 101 Dalmatians and Sleeping Beauty which are more trivial than Donald ect. LittleJerry (talk) 17:31, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? Have you seen the stuff in brackets after those two films? His technical developments that had far-reaching implications in the animation world is something we should drop? – SchroCat (talk) 17:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: These characters are associated with Disney almost as much as Mickey is. I'm willing to just add "Disney introduced characters like Donald Duck, Pluto and Goofy" and leave out the other stuff. LittleJerry (talk) 18:08, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So trivia without context then. The "associated with Disney" is an obvious mistake, with one man so associated with the studio in his name, but he had nothing to do with one of those characters. As I said before, mentioning them, with full context, is great in the studio article, or in something about the the MM universe, but not in the biography of WED, where there is less of a tangible connection. – SchroCat (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If Walt himself had "nothing" to do with them then the same could be said of the above mentioned films. Walt was barely involved with making them regardless of their technical developments. LittleJerry (talk) 19:10, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: WED was heavily involved in both films and he was the producer on both. As the article makes clear,  he won an Academy Award in the Short Subject (Cartoon) category for The Three Little Pigs. As I've already said, both films also used revolutionary techniques that WED was heavily involved in introducing. – SchroCat (talk) 19:32, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I meant the later films like Dalmatians and Sleeping Beauty, he was not involved much in those films. Their technical achievements aren't important to Walt's life, only to the studio. Also with regards to Donald Duck, Walt was heavily involved in his creation and promotion as a star. LittleJerry (talk) 19:55, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite right, as WED was involved in them both, and was involved in the technical developments, which have had had far-reaching implications in the animation world and one of which won him, WED, one of his Academy Awards. The secondary characters belong in the studio article and the articles of the character universe, rather than bloating out this biography. – SchroCat (talk) 20:43, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: By all accounts, Disney was barely involved in later films like Sleeping Beauty. Disney was more involved in the creation of Donald Duck. LittleJerry (talk) 00:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's an oversimplification of the situation. – SchroCat (talk) 05:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a vague unsupported statement. LittleJerry (talk) 03:14, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

text: It may help to mention that Donald Duck is, indeed, mentioned more than once in the article, while Goofy is mentioned in a photo caption. Also, if anyone is interested in particular Disney characters, many of them have their own articles, so anyone looking for them in the encyclopedia will have no difficulty finding them.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would you not mention Donald Duck? Its easy to argue that he is more important that Daisy. They're known as the Fab Five in the Disney Parks and that includes Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Goofy, Pluto, and Minnie Mouse. Between 1934 and 1960 Donald was featured in over 150 animated shorts, and for the longest time was almost as prominent and well-known as Mickey Mouse. Today, he is featured in more attractions in the parks that Mickey is. These are all characters that should be mentioned as all of them had significant impacts on the company and Walt Disney.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 19disneyland55 (talk • contribs) 10:52, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donald Pluto and Goofy 

message: Was Walt Disney ambidextrous? This photo in the article maybe suggests the possibility. Moriori (talk) 00:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's more likely that the photo has been flipped - the handkerchief in the breast pocket should be on the left, rather than the right. - SchroCat (talk) 13:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Ambidextrous?

message: So, after gaining sanity back, I have come to see what the problem was. I think that CelebrityNeyWorth, although still generally all right, is a somewhat less professional source than Forbes, and they likely had made a mistake each here and about Sam Walton, so let us see what the problem here is. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 01:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure it is a reliable source. As I mentioned in my first removal, it wasn't just because it bloated the IB (made worse with your second edit), but the information is suspect. The figure is an awfully long way from what any of the biographies have suggested his worth was (we discuss the value of the estate in the correct section and your figure is at least $4.5 billion out. (Ditto the Walton article, a huge amount out there too). A quick Google search shows a range of figures (this one has $1.1 bn, this one $80 million) and others say the $5 bn is what the estate would have been worth today, after inflation. It's far too dubious to have in the article at all, let alone in as prominant position as the IB. – SchroCat (talk) 05:59, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So your point is that it is useless to insert his net worth into the article when there are many reliable sources with various estimations. Also, just as a note, CelebrityNetWorth appears to be accepted in some articles, but not in others. (The most prominent case of acceptance is with this edit by RickinBaltimore on John Cena, and it still stands in the high-traffic article.) Gamingforfun365 (talk) 23:05, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this ship has sailed, don't ? CassiantoTalk 23:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: And the last thing that needs to be said is that TIME used the website as a citation. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 23:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Several days ago, I have realized that you might have thought that I had been trying to reinsert the faulty information. Well, I was not, and there is a strong reason to say "No." to it. My point is that, sometimes, it can be reliable. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 22:45, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Net worth 

message: After Flowers and Trees, one more Silly Symphony, the title Bugs in Love, was shot in black and white -- as was mentioned in the American Experience program on Walt Disney (and as is already stated in the articles here for the Silly Symphonies series and for Bugs in Love itself). So please change "All subsequent Silly Symphony cartoons were in color." to "After one more black-and-white title, Bugs in Love, all subsequent Silly Symphony cartoons were in color."
2601:545:8201:AB7A:653F:C11C:7653:2379 (talk) 15:18, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JTP (talk • contribs) 20:38, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2016: After ''Flowers and Trees'', one more B&W Silly Symphony: ''Bugs in Love'' 

message: He was born in Nebraska 199.180.86.50 (talk) 20:50, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2016 

message: In this biography, you state that Walt Disney's mother was from the Province of Canada.  Canada is not a province but a country.  If you know what province she comes from (such as Ontario or Quebec) you could include that but otherwise, you could just edit for the country of Canada. Aschatteman (talk) 19:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: You have confused The United Province of Canada for Canada. I suggest you compare the two articles I just linked. If you still don't get it, ping me and I'll explain it further. ChamithN (talk) 19:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Since the article on WD's father (not mother) has "Disney was born at the rural village of Bluevale, in what is now Ontario, Canada" wouldn't something similar be preferable here rather than "Elias Disney‍—‌born in the Province of Canada"? Mcljlm (talk) 13:34, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2017 

message: Walt Disney
Disneyland music song  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeydriandisney (talk • contribs) 20:21, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2017 

message: Why does the article not mention that Disney beat his children? (2A00:23C4:6393:E500:B049:A1FC:E66C:7A7C (talk) 21:58, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Child beater 

message: Can someone please make sure to state that this brilliant man, like most of the brilliant men, and women, was BORN, in good old CHICAGO!!!! He was always proud to be from his birthplace.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.51.63 (talk) 06:05, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It clearly states this as part of the first line of the "Early life" section. - SchroCat (talk) 17:56, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

text: No, it's not. When he was born there it was 1249 Tripp Avenue. It has subsequently been renamed and renumbered to its current address of 2156 North Tripp Avenue, but that address did not exist when WD was born. – SchroCat (talk) 18:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthplace

message: most of the citations are unreliable and/or false  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.159.213 (talk) 20:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: They are neither. I suggest trolling somewhere else. - SchroCat (talk) 20:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected status 

message: you can track and trace all walt disneys genealogy... he has several jewish if not all members ... dating back to 1650 - check at GENI.COM ... so probably Walt D. was a Zionist...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB04:23C:B900:F5B4:2332:C795:7183 (talk) 10:36, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walt Disney was jew - has jewish ancestors 

message: D'Isigny is his REAL name.  This is a Jewish name from France.  They immigrated to Ireland.  This also should dispel notions of antisemitism which is laughable. Disney donated to many Jewish charities. --2605:6000:3D11:3200:A9D5:575A:FC6C:4700 (talk) 03:45, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Reliable source, please.  Your theory means nothing here. General Ization Talk    03:51, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity is wrong. He's not English or German origin. 

message: Hello,
The article on Walt Disney does not mention how Disneyland got its name.  I heard that Walt Disney visited a park in Oakland, California once.  The name of the park was "Children's Fairyland".  Disney was likely influenced by the name "Children's Fairyland", and put the "land" part of the "Children's Fairyland" name to his own park, that Disney would call "Disneyland".  I don't see this fact written in the article.
Signed,
San Francisco Bay Area Resident
206.169.29.254 (talk) 22:42, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pretty easy to work out why he called it "Disneyland", I'd say. CassiantoTalk 22:50, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Disneyland Got It's Name 

message: "After Disney's death, his studios continued to produce live-action films prolifically but largely abandoned animation until the late 1980s".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney_theatrical_animated_features and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Walt_Disney_Animation_Studios_films seem to disagree with that statement, since even during his life animated features had 3-4 years between them ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.250.145.74 (talk) 14:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largely abandoned animation ? 

message: What on earth is this paragraph about? It appears to be citing a few paywalled academic papers and books from a critical theory perspective. Is this appropriate in a general biographical article? They seem to be, mostly, about the work Walt Disney produced, not about Disney himself. I'm sure you could reference hundreds of academic papers and books that analyze his reputation and impact on culture, why cite these particular papers and books? Are these authors considered experts on Walt Disney? Jbmcb (talk) 03:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Watts argues" paragraph in the Reputation section 

message: And to further clarify, definitely NOT a racist either. The guy loved Abraham Lincoln for Christ sakes. Definitely remove this.
Thanks,
Me 2603:9001:C06:C02E:6D7E:2387:8D70:49C (talk) 11:58, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 June 2020 

message: Please remove the anti-semitic statements. It is untrue and there is no reason to have that in the man’s wikipedia page. This page isn’t about what people believe Walt was, but actually what Walt was. Speculation has no place here. Rest of it confirmed. :)
Thanks, 
Me 2603:9001:C06:C02E:6D7E:2387:8D70:49C (talk) 11:53, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:18, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 June 2020 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: The lead currently says
To be honest, I was very confused when I read this and thought it was vandalism at first. Is there any source supporting the claim that this is what "his reputation has changed to"? I only see one reference in the body that might support a related claim, but even then could not find anything claiming his reputation has changed to "a representative of American imperalism". 2601:547:901:3690:49EB:9670:2C4:1AC9 (talk) 08:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  His reputation has changed to a "representative of American imperalism"?