Talk:List of surviving veterans of World War I/Archive 2

message: After chatting to both contacts & media in Poland, and in Dragonawa particulary, I am now even more certain Stanislaw Solinski is no longer alive, and as there are no media reports after his birthday in early 2005, that he almost certainly died later in that year.
We must remember that not every death is covered by the press (Stephen Butcher, Harry Newcombe, Justin Poor, etc.), as perhaps it should be, but no media report should not be taken as proof of being alive (and all three above are 100% dead).
I will continue to work on finding (or scanning) an obit or a mention or something on this man for precise evidence of death (i.e. exact year, month and day), but as there is no evidence for him being alive (bar here, it seems - and that's not evidence), I would stress to people to, please, give me the benefit of the doubt (as you did with Stephen Butcher), and allow his name to be removed, provisionally, into the 2005 deaths section until I can prove a date of death or online proof he has died (or of course vice versa & he pops up alive again!).
Originally he was removed, but appeared back up again, strangely, towards the end of the year?
My brother-in-law is Polish, and a fluent Polish speaker & this is why I've got a vested interest in it & have been able to use contacts with this case even though my name is about as Polish as the late lamented Emiliano Mercado del Toro's was American.
Thanks in advance for your understanding with this case, especially you, Bart, as you reinstated him last time.
Richard J —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.144.160 (talk) 18:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, since no one confirmed his death. Extremely sexy 00:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I do have faith in you, Richard. Extremely sexy 19:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Robert meant that he suggested this, Richard. Extremely sexy 21:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you look at http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weteran whoever is keeping track of the Polish veterans on this list also thinks that Solinski died 2005, fairly strong circumstantial evidence I would have thought, after all a Polish speaker is more likely to have spotted an obituary in a Polish paper, then us largely English Speakers here. [[SRwiki 10:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stanislaw Solinski 

message: Can someone make a list of the last 'infantry' veterans? After the death of Robert Meier, I wonder if there are any combat-wounded veterans left. Mr. Meier was actually shot in the knee...131.96.70.164 06:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is a more general point here as well, it would be good if we could have a few notes on some of the veterans listed, The German, and Italian Vet lists, are noticeably short on background information. I am not doubting they are real Veterans, just that it would be nice to know a little bit more about them. A problematic one (well at least to me) is Stanislaw Wycech, if we don't even know which army he served with, how can he be validated? By the way, I've put some information on Wycech on th site as well. SRwiki 08:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Last infrantry veterans?

message: Evening All, Just idling round after, work and I found this little snippet on Jim Licoln:
http://media.www.dailyemerald.com/media/storage/paper859/news/2006/10/18/SteppinOut/More-Than.Just.A.Bar-2375155.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailyemerald.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com
So apparently he lives in Eugene, Oregon, and sounds remarkably sprightly for a 108 year old. I was just wondering if now we know where he lives, if someone could do the Public records check on Jim Lincolns in the area of Eugene, and see if a 108 year old does live there. I would do it myself but I have no idea how to access the US public records. Thanks SRwiki 17:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps a phone call placed to the bar may shed some light on the subject. The owners or employees may have some information, as well as the writer of the article. Perhaps Mr. Lincoln himself will be there when you call, and questions could be asked to him directly. --Brianmccollum 05:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry folks I realise I have been leading people up a blind alley here, The original citation:  http://www.registerguard.com/news/2006/06/28/d1.cr.108yearold.0628.p2.php?section=cityregion contains an interview with the man himself. I still don't believe it though, especially as there doesn't appear to be a record of a Jim Lincoln of the right age in the county.SRwiki 08:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jim Lincoln, a bit of information 

message: Morning All, now that Arvo has re-appeared on the list, I think we need to get more of a handle on what the term "world war 1 era" veteran means for the purposes of this list. Originally it appears to have merely followed how the US defines a world war 1 veteran, but as far as I can see it's definition is slowly expanding, not that I have a huge problem with this, currently we have two claimants from French Syrian expidition, and from the Finnish Civil War (or war of independence depending ou your view) but there are other conflicts that fall into this era, most of which are a product of the end of the war, (e.g. Russian Civil War, Greco-turkish war, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1900%E2%80%931944 for a fuller list. If we are to have a world war 1 era veteran, category then we would have to include veterans from a whole slew of minor - mostly European Conflicts arguably going up to the 1924 Georgia uprising. I am just wondering if other people are OK with sort of thinking, as we could end up with dozens of names on the World war 1 Era list - assuming people track them down in the first place.
In the meantime I have moved Charles Brunier and Arvo into the WW1 era list.
Thanks SRwiki 09:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do we mean by World War I Era? 

message: I have just found a site that has a picture of the French Medal struck for those involved in the Gallipoli campaign - http://www.diggerhistory2.info/graveyards/pages/equip-uniform/fr-medals.htm - go about 3/4 of the way down. So I am just wondering how did it come to pass that the French government only officially recognises Western front veterans, can any one shed any light? Thanks SRwiki 16:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the French government only recognise western front veterans? 

message: Greetings,
I question the assertion that Howard Ramsey is the last U.S. combat veteran.
First, let's not forget that, technically, those who served in the Navy could have been torpedoed by U-boats, so Lloyd Brown could be considered a combat veteran.
Second, Frank Buckles did go to France: http://www.talkingproud.us/HistoryWWIVets.html.
I'm not going to argue that escorting German POW's was that dangerous, but Howard Ramsey drove supply trucks, not exactly an infantry position itself. 
So, I think even among the term 'combat veteran' we need to separate those very few who served on the front line, in the line of fire, from those working logistics/operations that incurred some risk but not extreme risk.
Obviously, Harry Patch and Henry Allingham may be said to have incurred extreme risk. Any others come to mind?→ R Young {yakłtalk} 06:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds rather convincing to me.  It says her start date is unknown, but isn't only the end date important here? Czolgolz 21:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But the problem is whether she served before the Armistice or not, my dear friends. Extremely sexy 22:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It's my pleasure, as you should know. Extremely sexy 11:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Last U.S. combat veterans

message: Should this fellow be on the list at all?
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=3&t=64988
http://jolagier.blog.lemonde.fr/jolagier/2005/10/combien_resteti.html (towards the end)
http://seb77.blogs.nouvelobs.com/archive/2006/11/index.html
Both the veteran himself & his government don't consider him a veteran - so why should Wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.156.230.214 (talk) 22:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louis Lagaurnadie 

message: I found an unknown German WWI-Veteran. I phoned his family and spoke with them. Sadly there isn't any article at all about him. 
Statistician 12.02.2007 13:33 (CET)
:So, how did you find out anyway, and when exactly was he born? Extremely sexy 13:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay then, but do you know as well where exactly he lives, please? Extremely sexy 15:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilhelm Remmert 

message: Am I the only one who was disappointed at this broadside?
(diff) (hist) . . mb Surviving veterans of World War I‎; 01:34 . . (+10) . . Cydebot (Talk | contribs) (Robot - Moving category Lists of veterans to Lists of military personnel per CFD at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 February 2.) 
Last I checked, everyone in this list is a former, not current, member of the military. Also, the word 'personnel' sounds so lame and business-speak...human resources personnel. People become simple personnel clones. 
Also disturbing was that these re-names were made without alerting any of the list participants...a bad-faith gesture. I suggest someone re-open the discussion and hold another vote.
Or, we could go with the flow and have a blanched version: "Antonio Pierro was the last American personnel of the Meuse-Argonne Offensive." Doesn't work for me.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 07:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot agree more with you, Robert. Extremely sexy 10:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaming military 'veterans' to 'personnel'

message: Greetings,
The Floyd Matthews articles clears up a mystery (who was the man who moved from Florida to Alabama?). Note also that Charley Newton Cook and Henry Abram died in Dec 2003, not Dec 2005 as the article states (check the SSDI). One more thing, the article says there are just "10" WWI veterans left in the USA...this from a man who definitely knows the difference between WWI and WWI-era. So, I wonder if there are three more cases out there we either don't know about, or perhaps it is someone like Robley Rex that despite all the excoriation, no one has yet produced any draft or join-date documents for.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 15:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed so, and I posted them, so say "thank you, Bart". Extremely sexy 15:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Floyd Matthews articles

message: Obituary: Lloyd Clemett, 107
Canadian Press/ Toronto Globe & Mail
TORONTO — Lloyd Clemett was the youngest of a band of brothers to heed the call to battle and sign up to fight in the trenches of the First World War.
The enthusiastic teen set his sights on the battlefields of France, but three older enlisted siblings, his young age and fate ensured his safe return to Toronto when peace was declared on Nov. 11, 1918.
Late Wednesday, Mr. Clemett died in the city where he was born, raised a family and lived for more than a century. He was 107.
His death leaves only two known surviving Canadian veterans of the First World War.
Lloyd Clemett joined the army as a private in the 109th Battalion. The army made him a bugle boy when he enlisted for the First World War in January, 1916.   
  
“It was something you had to do, so you went and you did it” was the explanation he offered when asked why he went to war, his son, David Clemett, said in an interview.
“It's really something that he never elaborated on, he never talked about when I was growing up. It was just a fact, that at some point in time he was in the First World War.”
The only indication that his father had served in the conflict was a brass-bound war chest containing his service uniform, tucked away in the basement of the family home in north Toronto. It was only in recent years that Mr. Clemett shared his war stories with his family.
Like so many others anxious to join their countrymen in the trenches of France, Mr. Clemett told the army he was 18 – the official enlistment age – when he signed his papers in January, 1916.
“He went when he was 16, he got sent over to England and was working with the lumber group over there, doing timber,” said his niece, Merle Kaczanowski. “It was at the very last, when they needed more people, he actually did get shipped over to France.”
Ten per cent of the roughly 600,000 Canadians who enlisted to fight in the war died on the battlefields of Europe, and 170,000 more were wounded.
The war would ultimately claim 15 million civilian and military lives on both sides of the conflict.
Although Mr. Clemett's true age was discovered in England, his older brothers also did their best to ensure that their younger sibling was kept out of harm's way.
“His brothers intervened. They said, 'No, no, Lloyd stays with us, he's not going anywhere,' ” his son said. “I think that's how he ended up in the forestry division.”
When his division was shipped to Aubin St. Vast, France, Mr. Clemett volunteered several times for the front line. The sound of artillery fire in the distance only fuelled his company's desire for combat.
“That made them that much more compelled to go to the front,” said his son.
One month before his 19th birthday, Mr. Clemett received orders to join the others at the front, but fate intervened.
“The day that the Armistice was signed was the day his battalion was supposed to go to the front lines,” David Clemett said.
“Disappointed” at having never seen action in the war, Mr. Clemett returned home and took a job as a railway agent.
A life-long hockey fan, Mr. Clemett played for the Brampton Maple Leafs in the 1920s and also coached a woman's softball team.
He opened a lawnmower repair business and kept it afloat during the Great Depression, married his wife, Catherine, in 1936, and raised two sons in Toronto.
Mr. Clemett finished out his working years as a meter reader and repairman before retiring in 1965.
When his wife died in 1993, Mr. Clemett continued living alone, in their Millwood Road home.
“He was in pretty good physical shape up until about the age of 103,” David said.
“He'd whittle baskets out of peach stones. He'd read a western paperback book every day, bake his own cookies, muffins and bread.”
Failing vision and hearing led Mr. Clemett to move in 2003 into the veteran's residence at Toronto's Sunnybrook and Women's Hospital, where he lived out his remaining years.
 
=== Oregon Loses Its Last WW1 Veteran === 
Oregon loses its last living World War I veteran
By Frank Lenzi/Portland Bee
AM 860 KPAM, Feb 23, 2007, Updated 1.9 hours ago 
He was proud of his service, but Howard Ramsey hated war. Oregon’s last living World War I veteran has died. He was 108.
Ramsey, America’s oldest known combat veteran, served in France. Dale Potts, commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars post in Tualatin said Ramsey was shaped by his duty during World War I.
“He said ‘nobody should have to go through that hell,’” Potts said. 
Ramsey’s job during the war included driving officers up to the frontline and bringing the bodies of dead soldiers back. Ironically, Potts said that the military initially would not let Ramsey join the war effort.
“He didn’t weigh enough,” Potts said. “So he and a buddy, they ate bananas and drank water for a couple days and they went back again and enlisted and…he weighed enough and they took him in.”
Potts said Ramsey could see the humor in almost any situation.
“You couldn’t go away without feeling good about yourself after you talked to him. He was just a great, wonderful guy,” Potts said.
Potts is in the process of planning a funeral service for Ramsey, with veterans from all wars represented.
“I mean he’ll be looking down at us, and the bigger send-off, the better.” —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redpepper1952 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lloyd Clemett: oldest Canadian WWI veteran dies

message: Oregon loses its last living World War I veteran
By Frank Lenzi/Portland Bee
AM 860 KPAM, Feb 23, 2007, Updated 1.9 hours ago 
He was proud of his service, but Howard Ramsey hated war. Oregon’s last living World War I veteran has died. He was 108.
Ramsey, America’s oldest known combat veteran, served in France. Dale Potts, commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars post in Tualatin said Ramsey was shaped by his duty during World War I.
“He said ‘nobody should have to go through that hell,’” Potts said. 
Ramsey’s job during the war included driving officers up to the frontline and bringing the bodies of dead soldiers back. Ironically, Potts said that the military initially would not let Ramsey join the war effort.
“He didn’t weigh enough,” Potts said. “So he and a buddy, they ate bananas and drank water for a couple days and they went back again and enlisted and…he weighed enough and they took him in.”
Potts said Ramsey could see the humor in almost any situation.
“You couldn’t go away without feeling good about yourself after you talked to him. He was just a great, wonderful guy,” Potts said.
Potts is in the process of planning a funeral service for Ramsey, with veterans from all wars represented.
“I mean he’ll be looking down at us, and the bigger send-off, the better.” —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redpepper1952 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oregon Loses Its Last WW1 Veteran 

message: Apparently John Babcock and Harry Landis have also died => http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=2&aid=118907.
To the poster who states "apparently John Babcock and Harry Landis have also died". Nonsense! You base that assumption on a reporter's list that for whatever reason omittes their names, naming only 4 WW1 U.S. Veterans. Better check the facts and information more closely for reliable proof! P.S. I did.. checking the Spokane newspapers. No mention that John Babcock died and the same for Harry Landis. Premature at best. User:Redpepper1952 9:18 27 Febuary, 2007.
Well, Babcock was Canadian, so he wouldn't be listed. Any word on Landis? Czolgolz 20:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Chances are he is still alive, because he isn't on any official list, hence. Extremely sexy 01:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Babcock and Landis

message: Greetings,
One of the two anonymous French veterans was revealed as Raymond Guay (Apr 17 1900-Jan 2 2007). It has been reported that the last anonymous French veteran is 'almost 108', indicating birth in 1899.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 03:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Raymond Guay and the last anonymous French veteran

message: I'm Polish. Yesterday I wrote an e-mail to http://www.chorkowka.ugm.pl/, where Draganowa is. They wrote me back that Stanisław Soliński has died in Draganowa on December 6th, 2004.
:Thank you very much indeed, dear colleague. Extremely sexy 15:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, so he is a ghost who can't find eternal rest before having killed our anonymous contributor. Extremely sexy 22:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stanisław Soliński has died

message: Does any Polish correspondent know if this man over here has died, and, if so, when exactly?→ R Young {yakłtalk} 02:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Józef Piotrowski

message: What happened to that section? The American and British sections have been erased. If someone could please fix if that would be great. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.191.145.24 (talk) 07:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So I will fix this as well now. Extremely sexy 11:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is still a problem with the listings. Engh, Matthew seems to have resurfaced again, though not formatted properly. Are we still to believe that this is the work of someone playing games, or is this a legit addition by one of the regular posters? Someone who knows more about how to change this, should format it correctly or delete it if need be. --Brianmccollum 20:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, someone must have been updating the page while I looked at it. Is there any substance to this veteran claim, as his name popped up on here a few months back if you all recall. --Brianmccollum 20:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not at all in fact then. Extremely sexy 22:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unverified cases section 

message: Hmm, I'm not sure about this case, having googled his name I can find nothing to support World War I service, to quote from his Wiki bio:
 
"During the First World War, his family fled the advancing German armies and returned to Kiev, where he pursued legal studies, only to be interrupted by the October Revolution and subsequent turmoil. He began to express his emotions through caricatures of politicians, the first of which were published in 1919 and circulated in the Kievian Red Army." There is a big difference between fought with his family and fled with his family
Another quote from a Russian biography (http://www.peoples.ru/art/painter/efimov_b/): "Boris returned to Kiev, completed training in real school, and in 1917 enrolled at the Kiev Institute of National Economy. But completing there for a year, he moved to the Faculty of the University of Kiev. 
In interviews with the man himself he makes no mention of his possible war service.
I also don't think that the war service of such a notable person would have gone unnoticed all this time.
In short: he makes no claim, and no biography of him makes a claim either. 
Thoughts anyone? SRwiki 08:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts as well. Extremely sexy 13:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The same guy who added Matthew Engh has also added Boris Efimov to the Veterans list. At best, Boris Efimov may be in the WWI Era Category, but nothing any of us has come across seem to indicate any veteran status at all. Why would someone add two people to this list without any type of citation? What else has this guy changed? --Brianmccollum 21:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: He is incorrect anyway. Extremely sexy 22:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. He is incorrect. Someone needs to revert the page back, as it is inproperly formatted. --Brianmccollum 21:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boris Efimov 

message: Just a little snippet: http://www.abbotsfordtimes.com/issues06/052106/news/052106nn1.html. If someone could do me a favour and turn it into a reference on the main page, I would be very grateful. SRwiki 08:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I will try to do just that. Extremely sexy 11:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. SRwiki 14:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did it, and it's my pleasure. Extremely sexy 14:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gladys Powers war service 

message: A Canadian WWI veteran, living in the USA. Shouldn't he be listed on this page somewhere? GoodDay 23:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But he is though. Extremely sexy 23:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I found him. Babcock & Dwight Wilson are recognized (by the Canadian Government), as the last 2 surviving Canadian WWI veterans. GoodDay 00:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But only Wilson is still living in Canada, hence the confusion, my dear friend. Extremely sexy 00:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: John Babcock

message: It has just been reported in French media that this French veteran died on 25 February 2007. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.3.249.137 (talk) 19:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jean Grelaud

message: Greetings,
The death of Jean Grelaud means that there is an increasing chance of the last 'French' veteran heading to a controversy. First and foremost, the French government only recognizes combat veterans who served at least three months, and at this point, there are only two remaining: Louis de Cavenave (born Oct 16 1897) and Lazare Ponticelli (born Dec 7 1897). This doesn't bode well for France, considering that both are 109...and one was born in Italy!
In addition, we still have the cases of Louis Legaurnadie (served less than 3 months), Justin Tuveri (actually served in Italy and only lives in France), and a 108-year-old anonymous veteran. True, the issue cases of Raymond Guay and Charles Brunier have disappeared, but now we have a situation where we have five remaining WWI veterans living in France, but one is anonymous (leaving four), one served in Italy only (leaving three), and one served less than three months (leaving two 'official' poilus). But since one of the two was born in Italy, there is only one remaining French, born-in France WWI combat veteran...Louis de Cazenave. And he's 109! What is most likely to happen now? Confusion!
We have also seen these results in the USA, where all the combat veterans have died, unless you count serving well behind the front lines and/or serving on a ship....→ R Young {yakłtalk} 06:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Last French Veteran" could be heading for a fiasco

message: I don't mind an autoupdating age thing, but let's be sure that we have it for everyone, not just Australia.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 19:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I already asked that particular contributor, Robert. Extremely sexy 19:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just make sure the format suits everyone first before making the change to all the other tables. - fchd 21:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I have updated the other tables also. If there is a prob with it, it can be reverted, I don't mind.  Now that I can see the sortable age for each country, I think it would be better if all 36 vets were in one list so we could sort them all by age. The per-country lists were actually created by me a year ago when there were a lot more vets living.--Rye1967 16:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great job once again. Extremely sexy 18:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Thumbs up for you. Extremely sexy 19:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Auto-updating

message: Whilst looking through some notable people born before 1904, my eyes rested on this fellow:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Keating
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/ulster/article1096049.ece
http://www.irelandfrombelow.org/site/scriofa/island1-1/island-1-2007.html
He fought in the war between the British & the Irish from 1919 onwards.
Now, I could just add him on willy-nilly to the main site, but I felt this is one for discussion first.
Firstly, he fought in a war in 1919. That's more than say, some of those who joined the US army in 1919 had managed.
The linked article says he joined in 1920, not 1919.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 03:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In Ireland, any battles between the British and Irish leading to Irish independence are not considered part of WWI.  Any Irish nationals who did take part in WWI, for instance with the British Army, are not likely to be 'overlooked' by those that make such lists for the British Isles.  If you examine lists of deaths in the early 2000s you will see some listed there.--Rye1967 10:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I must say you have a point there. Extremely sexy 12:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I do indeed agree. Extremely sexy 15:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dan Keating 

message: Mr Lee probably was indeed a chaplain in World War I, but I think it should be deleted. If there was a man born in 1884 living in 21st century America, then we would have heard about it a long time before now. 130.88.52.112 16:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's my opinion too. Extremely sexy 16:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: He already is though. Extremely sexy 16:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No: you are the one who doesn't understand humour, and you are the one who is calling names: beware for my sweet revenge, Robert. Extremely sexy 15:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Did you write "helpful" though? Extremely sexy 10:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Well: gotcha both then, since I knew that all along (I was being ironic), but Robert hasn't any sense of humour at all, regrettably so. Extremely sexy 15:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edwin Lee 

message: I just added another WWI vet to the '2003 deaths' section. Does anyone know how to change the 'deaths lists' totals?→ R Young {yakłtalk} 06:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is really very ironical indeed: Robert himself made a template for this, and I only updated it. Extremely sexy 15:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists of known veterans' deaths by year

message: Forgive me for asking, but what happened to this guy? Was he proved a fake? Has he died? Did he even exist?
I only ask as normally there is an explanation or a short note on the discussion page when someone goes off the main list... Thanks. RDJN 86.144.231.68 16:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well: the article about him was discussed and deleted, since there is no proof at all of his alleged service, hence. Extremely sexy 16:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Apparently there was no citation at all, but I have searched for one, since I was strongly against deletion, all to no avail, however, and so it subsequently was deleted then. Extremely sexy 18:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I full agree with you, but why didn't you take part in the discussion at the time, please, and I hope you can still ask for a revision => is the article saved in any way though, and, moreover, the original link has expired, so that's no valid citation, or is it? Extremely sexy 18:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It was mentioned on the article about him though, and here is a link to it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/William_Olin, but how can you get it restored? Extremely sexy 21:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you should now ask for an undeletion as per this page of request policy. Extremely sexy 22:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: But they really haven't got any article either. Extremely sexy 00:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I eventually found it somewhere in the archives, but to really get and be able to read it you have to register though, which is not free of charge evidently. Extremely sexy 19:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: He has already been readded to the list. Extremely sexy 00:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Well: for starters, there is no William Olin of anywhere near that age at all living in the entire state of Oregon. Extremely sexy 00:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you might be getting mixed up with Jim Lincoln. SRwiki 08:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be, but isn't this also the case for him? Extremely sexy 14:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I think that's the problem: there is no paper evidence to back up his claims, and if you dig round in the archive for this article, even his descendants think he is talking rubbish. But how can you prove he did not serve? How to prove a negative is one of those tricky philosophical questions, that has defeated a good few better minds than mine. Still, there is a citation, so he needs to be left where he is I guess. SRwiki 20:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text: But there is a fair point here: if the only known citation is some-one claiming it for themselves, should it really count? Olin & Lincoln are substantially different from "Mr. 1899" and Bolaise, as some-one else believes them to be veterans, and we have a fair chance of establishing the truth (I am still waiting for Dennis Goodwin to get back to me regarding Bolaise), whereas with with Olin and Lincoln, every-one else who has looked at their claims thinks they are the proverbial crock, and in the case of Lincoln at least one of his claims - to be a research scientist - is contradicted by the total lack of records at the universities he claimed to have worked in and the lack of any published papers in his name. It doesn't totally disprove his claim: the university has lost his records, he only published in very obscure and now lost journals, etc. But it makes his claim look pretty unlikely to my eyes, maybe we should make a note against both of them that their claim is unsupported by any physical evidence or independent research, or believed to be false. Thoughts any-one? SRwiki 08:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Fair point once again. Extremely sexy 14:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: So then I would definitely propose to undelete the article about him. Extremely sexy 14:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Olin 

message: I hated to see these two pass away, it was nice to have a male briefly top the world's oldest person list (del Toro) and Pierro worked at the same GE plant in Lynn as my future daughter-in-law. But it's been awhile, and I'm wondering why they still have a mention in this article. I could perhaps understand it in Pierro's case, as the current oldest WW1 vet inherited that title from him, but I think perhaps the point has been reached for these two names to be removed, given the number of other WWI veterans who have passed away this year without any current mention in the article. Any thoughts? (unsigned comment)
* Agreed. This article is aboutsSurviving veterans, the opening paragraph should therefore focus on the current survivors as well. --Maelwys 18:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The second-oldest verified veteran ever was Antonio Pierro at 112 years and 346 days, or Moses Hardy at 113 years and 335 days (or perhaps third-oldest at 113 years and 335 days). Behind them are Giovanni Frau and George Johnson, at 112. The last Boer veteran, George Ives, died at 111, as did Ernest Pusey. Extensive research on Civil War veterans showed that ALL claims to older than 109 were FALSE, both Confederate and Union. The oldest verified Civil War veteran was James Hard, who died at 109 (claimed 111). Albert Woolson, cited as 109, died at 106. John Salling, said to be 112, was an impostor who was really just 101. Robert Hodges, who claimed to be 115, was really just 106. Even Lloyd Brown, said to be 105, was 104 according to the 1910 census. So, when age inflation is accounted for, Emiliano's record is not challenged. R Young {yakłtalk} 08:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Del Toro & Pierro 

message: Lloyd Brown. Just to let you know, I just received contact from Lloyd Brown's daughter, and he is in the hospital, and not doing well at all. The last six months have been a big blow in numbers with our United States WWI veterans.  My thoughts and prayers to him and his family. 63.3.7.129 21:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sad to hear this about Lloyd Brown. My thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family as well. --Brianmccollum 00:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So you also "know" Nancy Espina. Extremely sexy 00:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I think "Webbmyster" already did so. Extremely sexy 15:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: You're doing a great job, "Webbmyster"! 63.3.7.129 21:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree: splendid. Extremely sexy 01:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Well: someone (an anonymous user, by the way) updated his article with the information that he died today, but he or she provided no reference at all to prove this fact, so I'm still a bit suspicious about his possible death, although it had already been announced somewhat in this section yesterday, resulting in Maryland (the only state that still had more than one left) losing both its last WWI veterans in the space of just two days (the oldest one and last woman the day before yesterday, and the youngest one today), if it is true that is, and I guess it is nevertheless though. Extremely sexy 21:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It's my pleasure though, as you know. Extremely sexy 22:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This is some sad new indeed. In the past few years he had become somewhat of a symbol of the soldiers of The Great War, at least in my eyes, after having participated in the Memorial Day parades in Washington and all. Though he always sounded so humble in interviews and never seemed to think of himself as anything special, he had taken on a role, again in my eyes, as the Grand Patriarch of all US Veterans of all Wars. It was as if, in his later years, he was once again called upon to serve his country yet again in this new capacity, as he had once done honorably as a young man long ago. His passing is sad and he will be missed. --Brianmccollum 11:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lloyd Brown 

message: Whos name has been deleted from the veterans list taking it down from 36-35 because i can't see hows missing?Webbmyster 10:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed: she died yesterday at age 109 (not bad, is it?). Extremely sexy 14:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Unless they are just following "Wikipedia". Extremely sexy 01:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I already thought as much, dear PershinBoy. Extremely sexy 14:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another one down regrettably 

message: Regarding the Polish article as reference 11, http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/wiadomosc.html?wid=8714409&ticaid=13802:
It starts by stating that he is the oldest Polish resident of the Lubuskiego province (which is south western Poland as I remember: voivodships translates to administrative regions, somewhat similar to Wales/Scotland/England/Northern Island forming the UK, except in Poland these all have administrations). It then says he is in a nursing home at Tursku Sulęcina. He is wheelchair bound, with poor sight and hearing, but he can still be communicated with. He is the soul of the home, which has a number of occupants, and he can count on frequent family visits as they are nearby. The secret of long life is not to take anything too seriously. He was born in the village of Wicyn on February 2nd, 1900 as a subject of tsar Nikolay II Romanov. He fought at the end of the First World War with the Bolsheviks. He spent WWII in captivity, and afterwards settled in Lubuskie. Now that he is nearing death (old age that is), he has returned to his home land. There are two other people over 100 that live in the house with him. 
It would be interesting to find out if he is the oldest living Polish person, and what exactly his captivity in WWII was, e.g. was he a Polish Jew and therefore pushed into a local 'Ghetto' as they were called, or was he transported to one of the camps?
:This reference rather suggests to me that he is a veteran of the Russian Revolution, rather than one of the First World War: do we have any evidence that he was in the Imperial Russian Army prior to that? Thoughts anyone? SRwiki 05:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Józef Kowalski

message: Regarding http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Piotrowski and http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weteran:
I saw him on the discussion list a while ago. Apparantly he was a professional organ player. But the article makes no reference to WWI. He never smoked, and seldom drinks. This was sourced from the Polish longevity list. It seems very doubtful he was in WWI: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategoria:Polscy_rekordzi%C5%9Bci_d%C5%82ugowieczno%C5%9Bci.
Signed by RichyBoy (been an admirer of the work on this page for a long while now, will sort out wiki account sometime).
:I guess no mention of an exact date of death for him in the Polish article about him either, my dear friend? Extremely sexy 12:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the information: very much appreciated. Extremely sexy 13:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Józef Piotrowski

message: Being responsible for most of the information for the UK & Ireland for 1999-2006 over the past year I put it into the same table format as the Surviving Veterans page a couple of weeks ago. These were changed back with a comment that if there were going to be tables then everyone should have them. I have now put time and effort into giving all the pages the same 'look and feel' which, I think, makes them a bit easier to read and allows for a little background on each of the vets to be given. Some vets have also been moved for consistency across the different pages. I probably should have asked first but it is easier to get forgiveness than ask permission, and if people are not happy they can be changed back easily. There are some additions too, however, so, please, make sure that these are not lost.
I would be grateful for any information (including dates of death) on the following individuals. All are verified WWI vets.....
Reported alive end of 1998:
UK & Ireland
Name                                                                                	Reported Death	External References
Thomas J Alexander, Sergeant, Royal Sussex Regiment                                 	              	
J.E.L. Baines,Gloucestershire Regiment                                              	              	
Herbert Birks, 28th London Regiment: Artist’s Rifles                                	              	
Lawrence Blyth, 28th London Regiment: Artist’s Rifles                               	October 2001  	Last NZ veteran
James Burns, Private, Royal Irish Rifles (living in Northern Ireland)               	              	
William Calvert, Royal Irish Rifles (living in Northern Ireland)                    	              	Interview
G. Cooper, Gordon Highlanders                                                       	              	
Albert Coss, King’s Royal Rifle Corps                                               	              	
Clara Emmingham, QMAAC                                                              	              	
Ronald Fraser, Royal Field Artillery                                                	              	
Horace Gaffron, Private, 1/4th Gordon Highlanders (living in the USA)               	              	
Archibald Leslie Gracie, Lieutenant, 2nd King’s Royal Rifle Corps                   	              	
Jack Hind, Suffolk Regiment                                                         	              	
John Laurie, Private, Army Service Corps                                            	              	
Thomas Linton, Sapper, Royal Engineers                                              	              	
George Maher, Private, 2nd King’s Own Royal Lancaster Regiment (living in Australia)	              	
Thomas McDowell, Royal Irish Regiment                                               	              	
Alice McKinnon, Queen Alexandra’s Imperial Military Nursing Service Reserve         	              	
James Moir, Royal Navy (living in Scotland)                                         	              	
Charles Ross, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders                              	              	
Samuel Shingler, Royal Navy                                                         	              	
Ernest A T Stevens, Private, 5th Middlesex Regiment (living in Canada)              	              	Picture
Canada Veterans Week 1998
Robert Thompson, Black Watch                                                        	              	
George P Tyers, Corporal, King’s Royal Rifle Corps                                  	              	
Robert Urquhart, Private, King’s Own Scottish Borderers & Scottish Rifles           	              	
J.C.W. Wallace, Royal Horse Light Infantry                                          	              	
Canada
Name              	Reported Death                   	External References
Henri Allain      	D. O. D. October 14, 2001 Age 104	Biography
Frederick Connett 	                                 	Biography
Frederick Evans   	                                 	Biography
Walter Loudon     	Possibly 1999; D. O. D. January 20,1999 Age 99  Source:  Lists most dates of death going back to mid or early 1990s to date. [User Redpepper 1952] 17:00 April 12, 2007
LastName=loudon&FirstName=walter&Year=&Age=&Rank=&Unit=&PeriodOfService=&LegionBranch=&City=&Province=&CreationDate=&IssuePublished=&WebPublishingDate=&WebPublishingStatus=Show&submit=Start+Search	Biography
In memorium reference 1999
Lawrence Morton   	                                 	Biography
Percy Perdue      	                                 	Biography
Harry Routhier    	D. O. D. July 12,2000  Age 100   	Video interview 18th May 1999
Biography
Thomas Spear      	                                 	Video interview
Biography
Stephan Thorlakson	D.O. D. January 5, 2001 Age 103  	Biography
Article about a trip a number of these made in November 1998 (published Feb 1999) Interview
Link page for the above biographies: Biographies
Italy
Name                                          	Reported Death	External References
Victor Pierre Paul Cordiano (living in Canada)	              	Biography
Reported alive end of 1999:
UK & Ireland
Name                                                              	Reported Death	External References
Harold Kitchens, Ordinary Seaman, Royal Navy (living in Singapore)	              	
Reported alive 2001:
UK & Ireland
Name                                                                  	Reported Death	External References
Andrew Bowie, 1st Queens Own Cameron Highlanders (living in Australia)	              	
Canada
Name       	Reported Death	External References
Gordon Boyd	              	
Thanks in anticipation. (unsigned comment)
:Many thanks for your great efforts, man. Extremely sexy 00:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope you don't mind but I've tabulated all of this to make it easier to edit and fill in - RichyBoy
Also, from this page here:
In November 1998 a list entitled "The Last Survivors" was published in the Daily Telegraph of 318 names of veterans of WWI all in their 90s or past their century, and subsequently an addenda of a further 29 names. I kept this list of names and have recorded, when I have seen it published, the dates of their deaths and any photographs or references to them. Number 11 on the list (in alphabetical order) is Alice M. Baker, aged 100 at the time, whose death I sadly recorded on March 6th when I saw it published in  the Telegraph. However, she was not the only woman recorded on that list, it included - Mrs Margaret Jane Cranfield, 101, QMAAC served in France - Mrs Clara Emmingham, 99, QMAAC, served in Ripon - Mrs Evelyn Stanley, 100, WRAC, Royal Horse Artillery (I wonder what her function was) - Bessie Bacon, 99, Royal Flying Corps, RAF Uxbridge - Alice McKinnon, 104, QAIMNS®, Etaples, France and, not recorded in the list, but picked up later, Winifred Deacon, 101, F.A.N.Y., Ambulance Driver in France. I wonder how many others the list failed to pick up? - RichyBoy
Andrew Bowie, 3rd October 1897 - 26th August 2002. 
Horrace 'Jock' Gaffron, 20th October 1896 - 15th April 2000
if thats what you wanted to know man. if it is im sure ive heard more of those names before so will look further for you. Webbmyster 16:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New tables & help, please 

message: The following link has an interview and a number of photographs conducted with Russell Coffey, which was published on Friday 6th April, to celebrate his 90th anniversary at volunteering. It can be found here —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.194.97.107 (talk) 00:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The pictures over here. Extremely sexy 15:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a great article, commemorating a man who enlisted 90 years ago. It must be beyond surreal for Mr. Coffey, to look back on something he did as a young man 90 years after the fact. Unbelievable! In addition, this is the first place where I've seen an article ask the public's help in locating any other surviving Veterans of WWI. Hopefully there will be some other efforts by other media outlets to assist in this cause. Though the chances are slim, it would be wonderful if there are other veterans still out there in the US and the world that we do not know about. Perhaps even this effort could help out with some of the unverified cases on the board as well. All in all, a great article. Thanks for posting the link. --Brianmccollum 17:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Russell Coffey

message: Another attempt to have an article on WW1 veterans deleted, has just emerged (yes, I know we've been there before, but the proposer of the motion obviously doesn't). This one concerns the "Died in 1999" page. If anybody wishes to vote, here is the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Veterans_of_the_First_World_War_who_died_in_1999
Josias Bunsen 23:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So sad. What difference does it make to these people if this article is here? How can you be that opposed to a Wikipedia article recognizing some of the last veterans of WWI who have passed away and go as far as to propose that it be removed? I encourage everyone on this discussion page to go and vote to KEEP the article here. --Brianmccollum 17:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Why on earth would you do that?  Extremely sexy 13:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletorious intent 

message: Why is the main list now listing persons with B.C. dates? In red? Someone, please, fix. R Young {yakłtalk} 02:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well: I will have a look at it in due course. Extremely sexy 16:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: B.C. dating

message: Dear all, Philip Mayne has passed on, apparently on April 9:
http://www.crikey.com.au/Media/20070410-Vale-Philip-Mayne-the-worlds-oldest-columnist.html
R Young {yakłtalk} 04:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Philip Mayne 1899-2007

message: Any word on Violet Bolaise? R Young {yakłtalk} 04:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Morning, I am still waiting for Dennis Goodwin to get back to me: I wrote to him about a month ago, so I expect he is still digging around, thanks. SRwiki 08:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Morning again, the post has just arrived and Dennis Goodwin has replied, with a couple of points:
1. Violet Bolaise was not a WW1 veteran, and has recently died, he hasn't given me an actual date;
I'd still like to know when she died, and when she enlisted! OK, but that moves the UK from '9' max to 7 (along with Philip Mayne's death). Italy now leads with 9 (inc. two living in France). R Young {yakłtalk} 23:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think so. Extremely sexy 13:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Violet Bolaise, Wilfred Baker and Bob Taggart

message: It's quite disturbing: 19 veterans down in the first 15 weeks of 2007, leaving only 32 verified veterans. I'm still hoping that somebody like Henry Allingham can make it to the Cenotaph next November though for the 90th anniversary. I'm not wishing to be at all morbid, but I've just calculated the mean and mode of those that have died since 1st January 2006 - the mode is 106 (being the most common age), the mean is just a smidgen over 107. Statistically, this will go up a bit as the very youngest veterans are now making this kind of age, and the less veterans there are the less probable it is they will follow the trend as they become statistical anamolies, obviously that's of no comfort to anyone, except to give a bit of hope that some of these veterans can still be here in 2010 (8 veterans since the start of 2006 reached 110 or more, so I would have thought a few of the younger ones by the stats will make it that far as well). RichyBoy 17:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nineteen down in fifteen weeks

message: Greetings,
On some of the other pages, someone has moved Pawel Parniak from 'Poland' to Austria-Hungary (and a Hungarian entry as well). This remains an issue: how do we list these people by nation? What is John Babcock? An American or Canadian? He is a Canadian veteran and an American citizen. I'd prefer to list by place of death because one only dies once, whereas Lazare Ponticelli served two nations. If so, I think Pawel should be moved back to Poland. R Young {yakłtalk} 23:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Listing by nation issue

message: Sad news: Solveen already died in 2006 apparently. We don't know the exact date (yet), but we hope to find it out. 
Statistician 11.04.2007 20:49 (CET)
I've got a letter from his daugther: he died 28.02.2006. He was enlisted at 17, was heavily wounded and served in both World Wars. Statistician 19.04.2007 20:49 (CET)
:Okay: thanks for finding this out for us, so he already died just 8 days after turning 107. Extremely sexy 11:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hermann Solveen

message: Greetings,
It seems the momentum has finally carried forward to a story recognizing Mr. Landis in the light of his being one of the last WWI vets, but he doesn't seem much interested in it...perhaps why he wasn't discovered until December.
Notably, however, is the comment:
The VA may have tracked down one other vet in the last few days, spokesman Phil Budahn says, "but we haven't yet verified that information."
Also, it seems that Mr. Landis is still doing well (and is married; his wife is 99). So, even as we dropped another one today (Hermann Solveen, who actually died in 2006), let's not forget there may be more than the '31' listed here. Also, the anonymous French WWI vet is still alive, according to my source, and there may be 2-3 more German vets not yet recognized. Polish lists may not be complete, either. However, I wouldn't expect more than about 6-12 more worldwide to be discovered. The UK data is probably complete. The Italian data is mostly complete but I've been told the possibility still exists for someone who served less than 3 months to have been unreported. R Young {yakłtalk} 06:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Our two German correspondents are very reliable indeed. Extremely sexy 13:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fog lifting on Harry Richard Landis, search for unknown WWI vets

message: Is this a WWI-era war? If so, as of August 15th, 2006, there were still 6 veterans alive. Each year, on this day, all surviving ones are invitated to the ceremony in Warsaw, and meet the president. (unsigned comment)
:Perhaps there could be a separate list of military veterans who are over 100 and were not involved in WWI or WWII? DerbyCountyinNZ 00:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You may start it. Extremely sexy 11:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle of Warsaw (1920)

message: Greetings,
Alberto Agazzi of Italy, 108, WWI veteran, passed away Apr 12 2007:
http://pcquotidiano.liberta.it/asp/default.asp?IDG=704131004
There is a photo. This leaves six Italian WWI vets remaining.
I'm too busy to do the updates.R Young {yakłtalk} 20:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But there is the "8th April" date on 2007 veteran deaths, so who's right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.10.108.113 (talk) 08:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alberto Agazzi 1899-2007

message: Why has his entry been deleted? Did he die (is his name on the deaths list somewhere then?), he just wasn't a WWI vet, or is this a vandalism act? (unsigned comment)
:Probably people are too stupid to see the value of tracking a false case down to 'disprove' it. Whatever. R Young {yakłtalk} 09:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jim Lincoln

message: Well: is there any proof for him being definitely still alive currently, and is he a WWI or WWI-era veteran, dear people? Extremely sexy 13:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was alive late last year. I sent Orin a letter, and his nephew responded with a really nice letter. However, from the letter it is made clear he joined after 11-11-1918 (sometime in 1919). Hope this helps. 209.244.188.174 06:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess you did get my e-mail reactions. Extremely sexy 09:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Orin Peterson

message: Greetings, Alberto Agazzi of Italy was 108, covered in the Italian media with photos, and had been reported earlier. Yet no one bothered to make an article on him.
One 'interesting' thing about the gradual drawing down of the 'surviving veterans of WWI' list is how much of the attention is focused on a few 'stars' like Henry Allingham, Maurice Floquet, or Ernest Pusey. Only in the absence of the 'bright light' of Ernest Pusey did the Florida media 'discover' Harry Richard Landis. One has to wonder who else is still being overlooked.
Also, a credit to Italian male longevity (Italy is known for having a higher male-female ratio of centenarians than average) has begun to shed light on the little-reported fact that there was, in fact, an Italian front with Austria-Hungary, something the mainly UK-French-USA media doesn't pay attention to at all. Shamefully, Antonio Pierro and Giovanni Frau both made it to supercentenarian status, and were both WWI vets, yet hardly anyone asked about their military service (instead they were the 'oldest man in Italy'). Note that Italian male longevity only seems to confer a 'slight' advantage, and more on the order of average maximum, not total maximum. So, even though Italy has had the WWI-vet lead for most of the past few years (and currently has 8, including the two in France--the UK is second with seven), we could easily see a 'collapse' like the USA did (from 13 to 3 in just a few months). It would also be interesting if we knew a little more about the German WWI vets. And, as Germany had among the highest conscription rates and, since it lost, the most 'shame,' it remains the last, best chance for finding more WWI vets. Not surprisingly, Mr. Remmert is the only WWI vet in the world 'discovered' this year. But, as said earlier, we haven't had a lot of reports of the underage German WWI vets. So, just like the last Confederate widow did not emerge until the death of the presumed titleholder, so it may take the passings of the 'war heroes' who served 6 months+ before the emergence of those who served only ephemerally, as in the U.S. True, the USA had far fewer participants than Germany, France, or the UK, and the USA's large numbers may have been due to greater local media attention than anything else. That advantage has now dissipated.
One of the most difficult aspects of planning is how to balance overestimating with underestimating. Though this 'book' is down to the last few chapters, we still don't know how this story will end. Which makes it all the more intriguing.
Sincerely,
Robert Young R Young {yakłtalk} 07:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I added an article, extremely interesting too, about Delfino Borroni, but, because of the table format, I wasn't sure how to put it in, so I included it as a link. I do wish someone who is a full member & has the time, reads the article & either links it to Borroni or makes an article about him. His sotry is more fascinating than some of the "stars" Mr Young lists above. At least Borroni FOUGHT in World War I, which is not the case for many survivors now. If someone could do that Borroni article, it'd be for the benefit of all & much appreciated. 86.144.224.79 10:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ignoring people until they die

message: Er, do you mean "nonexistent'?R Young {yakłtalk} 14:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question, especially since unreasoned deletions of articles that barely existed are against Wikipedia policy. Extremely sexy 19:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the deletion log, the first time the article was deleted was because "apparent hoax - Kunstler exists and was born in Soost in 1900, but no record of any military service was found" and the second time because "Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content. An article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. If controversial, or if there has been a previous AfD that resulted in the article being kept, the article should be nominated for AfD instead."
In other words, it was first deleted because it was perceived to be a hoax. The second time was because the article didn't explain enough (at least to the deleter) why it was notable. Not expressing an opinion or anything (I never even saw the article) but that's why. Canadian Paul 03:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am still hoping all those deleted articles will be put back in order to give me a chance to get them sourced anyway. Extremely sexy 10:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources nonexistant?

message: Removed from the main list, into the died in 2007 list, but no obvious mention in the Australian press that I can find - or am I just too early to respond to this? (unsigned comment)
:That anonymous user supposedly thinks he is funny. Extremely sexy 23:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Campbell Ross - dead? 

message: Greetings all,
As no-one seems to want to, I've updated the Italian biographies myself. As I am not a Wiki member, I can't start a page about them, but I do hope that the snapshot of information is of some interest, and can form the basics of a Wiki page for them, as each citation given is more in-depth than what I have already put.
The only one I can't find any real detail for is Costanzo, I'm afraid.
What is particulary interesting about them is that the majority of them actually FOUGHT in the war. Only Bertolami never saw action, but at least he was there.
Also, one is a Sardinian, as opposed to an Italian (worth a mention I think, à la Taggart being a Scot, but British as well), and one fought in WW2 as well. All little snapshots of history.
I know this elagonates the page somewhat, but at least these guys have their rightful information, there's enough information for a Wiki page, it still looks pretty neat & hopefully, makes the page an even better reference tool.
So now it's up to the Germans to step to the plate & fill the last bits of information in as searching for Remmert & Kastner drew a complete blank, and then everybody, in one form or another, has a bit of information on which we can all glean.
I spent a bit of time on this, so I hope it is to the general approval of everyone & I hope it won't be deleted or reverted straightaway.
RDJN 86.144.224.79 11:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well: user "Mel Etitis" has deleted a lot of new articles about WWI veterans, mostly from the USA, but also Franz Künstler, and this without further ado, let alone some reasoning behind it, which is absolutely against policy. Extremely sexy 21:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: A couple of Italian articles and a Polish one have been deleted as well: I will kill that man (figuratively speaking). Extremely sexy 13:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Let's hope he won't also delete them though. Extremely sexy 13:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the articles show enough notability, then you won't have a problem. - fchd 15:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well: other similar articles written not that long ago weren't deleted, so that's definitely not the point at all, dear Richard. Extremely sexy 15:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then, perhaps you need to have some dialogue with both the original admin who deleted the first version, or Mel Etitis to discover the real reason why the article is gone, and what you can do to recover and develop it. Two other points, please do not refer to me as "dear" - you do not know me and use of such a term is inappropriate, and please, please watch yourself in regards to editing other people's comments. You've been temporarily blocked only a few days ago, and are back to your old tricks again this afternoon. It doesn't matter if they seem ungrammatical to you, please just leave them. You'll save yourself lots of hassle in the long run. - fchd 15:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That's great, man. Extremely sexy 15:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian veteran biographies 

message: I'm really impressed with the work that has been expended on getting these people sourced.  Well done.  Corvus cornix 22:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am too: definitely a marvellous job. Extremely sexy 09:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Great work on sourcing

message: Greetings,
While it's important not to make 'blanket' articles for everyone (especially when little or no information is gleaned from them), it seems clear in this case that someone with an anti-age, anti-veteran bias is going around deleting articles WITHOUT giving people the opportunity to vote on them. The key here is for someone to petition a higher-up administrator (sysop) to investigate these deletions. Clearly, it's against Wikipedia policy to delete articles without a vote, unless they're clear vanity, vandalism, or the like. Also, the deleter doesn't seem to understand the difference between an ordinary 107-year-old and a 107-year-old WWI veteran (whose life becomes history). 
R Young {yakłtalk} 05:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted articles

message: Greetings,
Louis Lagarnaudie was mentioned as far back as 2004. I have found an 'update' that he was still living on Nov. 15, 2005:
http://www.victoriacross.net/forum_topic.asp?tid=677
Subject: WW 1 Surviving Soldiers
9               René    Riffaud M               106     331             
19/12/1898      15/11/2005              39 047 10              Louis   
Lagarnaudie     M               106     151             17/06/1899      
15/11/2005              38 867 Here are the two French WWI veterans 
still alive forgotten bt the French Adminstration (ONAC) who communicate 
for only 6 Instead of 8 ! Laurent Toussaint
Clearly we need an update more recent than that. I will do more checking....
I found an update from Sept 24 2006, although his name was spelled "Largardonie"....R Young {yakłtalk} 06:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Has anyone contacted him or his kin by letter, so we can make sure he is still with us? If so, maybe they could share some info on him to add to the bio. (PersinBoy) 209.247.21.167 09:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This is true, but the last report Mr. Young found was dated Sept. 2006. That isn't every month. In addition we need a bio on him, or he is subject to rejection by Wikipedia. (PersinBoy) 209.244.188.174 03:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Louis Lagarnaudie of France

message: Any native speaker willing to improve this: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_World_War_1_veterans_are_still_alive?
:But can you do this without registration? Extremely sexy 16:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question

message: I've not 'properly' read the introductory text to the article for a while. I think the sentance on Emiliano needs a slight clarification as I don't think that it is apparent that he was a veteran of WW1, especially to those that are new to the subject. Therefore I would prefer the introductory text to say "WW1 veteran and Puerto Rico resident Emiliano Mercado del Toro, who died aged ...... etc etc" . Any comments? RichyBoy 19:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But the title of the article does assume this obviously, does it not? Extremely sexy 19:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not obvious to me; I like the suggestion. Note that the sentence referencing Allingham points out that he's a "British Veteran" while the sentence referencing del Toro doesn't even identify the country he served, much less the war. Perhaps replacing both with something like "Upon the death of U.S. World War I veteran (and oldest known surviving veteran of any war) Emiliano Marcado del Toro (21 August 1891 - 24 January 2007),  British veteran Henry Allingham became the oldest surviving veteran of World War I." DHLister 21:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay: go ahead. Extremely sexy 21:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with you: it's fine now. Extremely sexy 10:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introductory text 

message: Afternoon All just thought I would update the Citationless vets list by my reckoning it is down to the following
1 Frenchman
Lagarnaudie, Louis I tried using the Victoria cross forum link above but I just get a bunch of links to elsewhere – what am I doing wrong
Three Germans
Christmann, Rudolf He has a link but it doesn’t seem to go anywhere useful
Kästner, Erich
Remmert, Wilhelm, Is it just me or does anyone else find it weird that there appears to be nothing for this man. Don’t the German papers report on birthdays of oldest people etc?
I guess we really need some-one who can speak German to try and track down some info on these men.
:So just ask Thomas Breining and Michael Streich. Extremely sexy 15:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citationless vets update 

message: I've found a digitalized copy of his enlistment papers, etc. at the National Archive of Australia. It can be found here: http://naa12.naa.gov.au/Scripts/Imagine.asp?B=11474492&I=1&SE=1  RichyBoy 23:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great find, man. Extremely sexy 15:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Campbell Ross 

message: Józef Kowalski is veteran Polish-Soviet War. August 15th, 20
06, there were still 6 veterans alive. Recently died Józef Kos and Zenon Jankowski (27 august 1905-6 april 2007). May 2007 - four still living veterans Polish-Soviet War 
#Józef Kowalski (b. 1900) 
#Stanisław Wycech (b.1902)
# ?
# ?
#Józef Kos 1900-2007
#Zenon Jankowski 1905-2007
What proof is there for this case? Why not citation/mention on Wikipedia? Did he serve after 1918?R Young {yakłtalk} 00:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Józef Kowalski 

message: Somebody has added anonymously Dr Anton Bohdal as a Central Powers veteran. I'm not saying they are wrong, but considering the history of most individuals has been discussed here for the last couple of years it is a bit rich to add somebody to the main page, anonymously, without adding a citation. If there is a genuine citation this is really good news at finding a previously undiscovered veteran. If there is no genuine citation it really needs to be discussed here first with the acknowledged experts (not me I hasten to add) but people like Young who have a lot of knowledge in this area. Good work if it's true though. RichyBoy 23:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Morning all, I found this http://www.astgasse.at/archiv/2000.shtml which appears to be the website of his school, all it appears to say, is that he was talking to the pupils about what being a schoolboy was like during WW1, not being a soldier (I am relying on google translator for this - my knowledge of German is non-existent) SRwiki 07:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Looks like it was a hoax, he was removed off the unverified list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.229.28 (talk • contribs) 
Greetings,
Dr. Bohdal may not be a hoax. He was removed because there is no source citation, and the user was anonymous. It could be an overzealous teenager assuming that Dr. Bohdal is a veteran. There is still a possibility, though, that he served. The point is, he shouldn't be added unless/until we have at the very least someone to 'vouch' for him (i.e. an expert from Austria). So far this has not happened. Note also someone attempted to add Boris Efimov. It is true that teenagers are often overzealous in presuming things. We should not assume one way or another. We should wait until we have a reason to believe one way or the other that these men are or are not veterans. Simply being 106 does not make one a WWI veteran.R Young {yakłtalk} 05:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr Anton Bohdal 

message: Greetings,
A family has contacted me claiming their aged relative is a WWI veteran. They claim they have documents. This may be a new case, so stay tuned.R Young {yakłtalk} 15:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not how Wikipedia works. All facts must be Verifiable and despite Ryoung122's obvious expertise in this area, his/her contributions are not exempt from that or any other policy. Even the commented out notice in the intro the page states "Only candidates with official records of service are considered for addition to the lists." Where are these official records for this veteran? - fchd 18:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Then that is the perfect explanation for moving this person to the "unverified" section. When there is verifiable information, THEN he can be moved back to the main section. fchd 16:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not holding American cases to any higher standard. Where there is no verifiable information or citations, ALL cases (e.g. Kästner, Remmert) should at least be moved to the Unverified section, otherwise there's no point in having that there at all. Also, I resent your implication that I'm either tearing anything down, or stating that it's not finished. The only "crusade" I'm on is to uphold the five pillars and the policies of Wikipedia. While your contribution to this area of knowledge is immense, the policies apply to you as much as anyone else. - fchd 16:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Newly discovered WWI veteran

message: Now that Dwight Wilson has died, will this trigger the Canadian state funeral? or will that honour be reserved for either Powers or Babcock. Does any-one know the answer. SRwiki 07:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer your question, from the CBC news article about Wilson - "His death leaves John Babcock, who lives in Spokane, Wash., as the last surviving Canadian to have served in the 1914-18 war. In recent months, the families of First World War veterans have expressed hesitation about having a state funeral for the last soldier to die. Veterans Affairs is now considering holding a ceremony commemorating all First World War veterans collectively when Babcock dies." --Maelwys 17:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I still do hope Gladys Powers favours it. Extremely sexy 21:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dwight Wilson's death 

message: I've found this article which has not been previously linked here or on his wiki bio page: http://www3.varesenews.it/busto/articolo.php?id=12345
Of interest is the last paragraph - as a civillian in WW2 he was driving his car over the Ticino bridge when it was destroyed by an allied bombing raid and he spent 37 days in hospital! RichyBoy 23:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will add it to his article now. Extremely sexy 21:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delfino Borroni 

message: As another example of Euro-centric double standards, why do we se "Dr. Anton Bodhal" but simply "John Russell Coffey" instead of "Dr. John Russell Coffey."
R Young {yakłtalk} 16:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it is because Bohdal is a medical doctor, whereas Coffey has a Phd. Outside of academia, I know of few if any Phd's that go so far as to demand to be called by the title "Doctor." Bill Cosby would be an example. Medical doctors, on the other hand, often (if not always) have the title included. I don't think this would be an example of a "Euro-centric double standard," rather just common sense, just as I doubt you were being U.S. centric when you transposed the two center letters of Bohdal's last name. Regarding the title of Dr., what is wikipedia's policy on the matter? --DHLister | Talk 17:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the correction. I have yet to ferret out which dying braincell prompted me to believe Bohdal was a medical doctor, but when I do, I'll give it a piece of my mind ... wait a minute, it already is a piece of my mind. --DHLister | Talk 20:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr. John Russell Coffey

message: Afternoon All I have ferreted out what appears to be a pretty good citation citation for Carmelo Bertolami: www.comune.novara-di-sicilia.me.it/data/browse.php?action=rd&id=347 it appears to be some sort of local community website, and has a picture of him as well. With the recent death of Constanzo Pasquale. This means that we now have citations for all the surviving Italian Vets (though in the case of a couple of them they are linked from their own Wiki Pages)
As always I would appreciate it if some-one who knows what they are doing could turn this into a link on the main page. Thanks SRwiki 13:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bertolami Carmelo - A citation 

message: Greetings,
With the recent 109th birthday of Justin Tuveri, there are now three 109-year-old WWI vets in France. Also, I've been told that the 108-year-old anonymous veteran is still living.64.175.33.52 20:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: France update

message: Should this note be deleted? As it doesn't look like it will happen. SRwiki 08:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian State funeral note 

message: Greetings, Mr. Giovanni Alunni has reported the discovery of another Italian WWI veteran.
As I argued in 2004, we should first focus on the 'oldest' veterans, then the 'last.' Only with the deaths in the last year of George Johnson, 112; Maurice Floquet, 111; Ernest Pusey, 111; Moses Hardy, 113; Emiliano Mercado Del Toro, 115; and Antonio Todde, 110 has the focus shifted from 'oldest' to 'last.' Mr. Allingham is all alone from 1896; his chances of being the last veteran are slim to none. Most likely, disappointing or not, the last veteran will be some underage kid who never served in combat and born in 1901 or later. Or just maybe someone from 1900. Given that we have three 109-year-olds in France but no veterans from 1900, I still think it is quite possible that more French WWI vets will be discovered. We will likely see a few more (maybe 1-3) from Italy, Germany, the US, France, and Poland.R Young {yakłtalk} 21:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No more information about him, Robert? Extremely sexy 01:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Italian veteran discovered

message: Greetings, a well-placed source has informed me today that there may be another U.S. WWI veteran. This person has family contact information and says that the veteran has requested anonymity, due to the horrors of what he experienced in WWI. This makes it possible that there is another unidentified US combat veteran of WWI. I will try to work with this to see if the family and the vet might yet change his mind. Again, it will take some time to tease out the last veterans...in part because they may not want to be publicly identified.R Young {yakłtalk} 05:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another U.S. veteran discovered?

message: we've discussed it and mentioned it many times before about a a seperate page for era-veterans and unless there is any objections i'll have a go at doing one? i think it would be something different as i wouldn't want to include people such as Dan Keating on this page but i do think he should be linked in some way, such as on a seperate page.Webbmyster 14:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Era-veterans page

message: Greetings,
Another French WWI veteran has been discovered. As I said earlier, with the French statistics skewed (3 living 109-year-olds, no one from 1900), it stands to reason that we are missing the 'bottom of the barrel' from the France list.
Perhaps more bewildering, however, is that our French correspondent chose to reveal this one (perhaps in response to Italy finding one?). There seems to be a little gamesmanship, as the anonymous 108-year-old remains anonymous. Given that there is only one known 108-year-old male in France, however, and I have the list, and have been told that it is the same person, it doesn't take a genius to figure out who it is. Thus I can say that this new case is not Mr. X.
One more comment, it is obvious from the join date (Aug 29 1918) that this man served 'less than 3 months' and so isn't on the 'official' lists, but would count by the American definition. Note also that poilus might translate better as 'combat veteran' and not 'veteran.'
RAYMOND CAMBEFORT, PENSIONNAIRE AUX MONGES, ÂGÉ DE 107 ANS, FUT ENGAGÉ VOLONTAIRE EN 1918 MAIS RESTE NON RECENSÉ  
Castres : cet ancien combattant de 14-18 qui a été oublié 
Exprimez-vous... Et vous, que pensez-vous de l'histoire extraordinaire de Raymond Cambefort ? 
Raymond Cambefort est un homme remarquable à plusieurs titres. Le plus étonnant, c'est qu'il a bel et bien participé à la guerre 1914-1918 mais son nom ne figure nulle part, ni comme ancien combattant et encore moins comme ancien « poilu ». Pensionnaire des Monges depuis maintenant trois ans, Raymond est né le 11 février 1900 à Toulouse et affiche ses 107 ans avec une formidable vitalité ! Durant sa vie professionnelle, qu'il a exercée principalement à Castres où il s'est installé entre les deux guerres, ce modeleur-mécanicien fut un inventeur de machines-outils absolument étonnant. 
Et puis, auparavant, il y eut sa « première » vie. Et c'est là que ce centenaire risquerait bien de défrayer la chronique : Raymond Cambefort fut en effet « engagé volontaire pour la durée de la guerre le 28 août 1918 au titre du premier groupe d'aviation (personnel non naviguant), arrivé au corps le 1er septembre 1918 », selon les termes de son livret militaire. Comme en atteste encore ce livret, il fut « renvoyé dans ses foyers le 4 novembre 1919 ». Raymond Cambefort est donc bien l'un des tout derniers anciens combattants de la Première guerre mondiale… même si, n'ayant pas connu le front, il ne peut pas être assimilé aux « poilus ».
Quoi qu'il en soit, jusqu'à ce jour, Raymond, très discret sur cette période, est resté oublié du recensement des anciens combattants de 14-18 ! Pourtant, ils ne sont guère plus nombreux : deux précisément selon la comptabilité officielle de l'Office national des anciens combattants (ONAC). Citons pour les deux autres Louis De Cazenave en Haute Loire et Lazare Ponticelli dans le Val de Marne, tous deux nés en 1897 !
Même s'il n'a jamais couru après une forme de reconnaissance, l'« oubli » de la Nation qui a frappé Raymond est d'autant plus curieux qu'une fois démobilisé du 1er groupe d'aérostation de Pau le 4 novembre 1919, soit un an après l'Armistice, Raymond Cambefort a été rappelé à sa demande. Et ce n'est pas fini : il fut « rappelé en activité et mis en affectation spéciale le 28 août 1939 ».
« J'ai toujours considéré, probablement avec raison, que mon parcours dans l'armée était un chemin de tricheur, si je peux m'exprimer ainsi, dit humblement Raymond. En fait, il s'est trouvé que l'armée m'a utilisé dans des postes où j'estime ne pas avoir été à ma place ».
Raymond Cambefort, un sacré personnage qui méritait bien ce « devoir de mémoire ».
Serge Boulbès 
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Blessé par balle au champ de tirs 
A 107 ans révolus, Raymond Cambefort est le doyen du centre hospitalier castrais. « Depuis son anniversaire, son moral fluctue un peu, précise Guy Delrieu, aide-soignant, devenu son ami et confident. Sinon, il est étonnant. Il fait preuve d'une vitalité formidable, circulant seul dans son fauteuil pour se rendre dans la salle à manger ou aux toilettes». « Vous m'excuserez de m'exprimer de façon désordonnée, je m'en étonne d'ailleurs moi-même », tempère Raymond.
Pourtant, les souvenirs fusent. Son père Germain et son frère Gustave y sont pratiquement omniprésents. « Des hommes remarquables », insiste Raymond. L'admiration pour son frère aîné a d'ailleurs justifié son engagement : « Je me suis engagé quand il est mort à 21 ans en 1918, indique Raymond. J'ai été affecté à la fabrication d'avions, en bois, fils d'acier et toiles. J'y ai côtoyé le pilote Védrine. Il y a des dizaines et des dizaines d'années que je n'avais pas parlé de ça », ajoute le centenaire qui raconte aussi avoir été blessé, beaucoup plus tard, au champ de tirs. Un authentique ancien combattant. Malgré sa modestie.
RegardsR Young {yakłtalk} 23:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another French WWI veteran discovered

message: Evening All, I just thought I would request peoples opinions on the proper status of the 2 Polish veterans. As there has been some debate about them on the Jozez Kowalski articles. So:
Is Kowalski a WW1 veteran? My opinion is no, as the citations I have seen suggest to me he is a veteran of the Polish War of Liberation. And I suggest we change him to being an "era" veteran.
Is Stanislaw Wychech a WW1 veteran? This one is far more tricky and I appreciate Richyboy's thoughts on this one. Personally I feel he just about squeezes over the line, but I fully understand the difficulties of giving paramilitaries veteran status.
So I want to formally open these questions up to a full debate. So opinions and thoughts anyone? Thanks SRwiki 18:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No chance, but good luck with trying. Extremely sexy 21:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish veterans: a call for opinion and debate 

message: I can’t help wondering whether in 60 years time there will be an equivalent page on Wikipedia entitled “Surviving Veterans of the Falklands War” and whether there will be an equivalent debate about who qualifies as a Falklands Veteran. To my mind a Falklands Veteran is someone who fought in the Falklands, in the southern ocean or in direct support of the operations. I do not think it could be said that all 250,000 in the armed services at the time would qualify – would, for example, the Academy Sergeant Major at Sandhurst in 1982 be classed as a Falklands Vet? Therefore can we really say that some one like Gladys Powers (delightful person that I am sure she is) is a WWI veteran? Mithrandir1967 19:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mr Young: I think you missed my point about the Guard and Reserve. I was merely quoting the VA's definition of a veteran. Another way to look at it is this: the modern definition of a US veteran might also be "a person who qualifies for federal veteran's benefits as determined by the VA." Guard and Reserve members who have not served at least one day on federal active duty other than for training do not qualify for such benefits. Regarding Mr. Gardner, I certainly was not trying to denegrate his service or willingness to serve. And although "recognized by the U.S. press" is not adequate proof of veteran status (witness Olin and Lincoln, for example), if the VA recognized him as a veteran, then that is certainly sufficient. Frankwomble 12:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I second moving Kowalski to WW1 Era as that is where the evidence we currently have points to. Looking at the debate on the last German veterans  I would be surprised if we find any WW1 vets of 1902 vintage. Germany wasn't running out of men, its army had not been destroyed in the field nor was it fighting on its own soil. I suppose a handful of 16 year olds might have enlisted young, but I would imagine it would be pretty difficult to do in the case of an entirely conscript army. - The same goes for France which has always conscripted at 19, so I would be surprised if any French claims emerge from after 1900 SRwiki 14:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is a veteran and who is not? 

message: Dead!  27 May 2007 !!!!
Yes, but using Wikipedia to document something on Wikipedia is a circular argument. That could simply be vandalism. Can you cite a news report?R Young {yakłtalk} 00:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilhelm Remmert  

message: Morning All, just a little snippet from The Abbotsford Times, reporting on her 108th Birthday a couple of weeks ago http://www.abbotsfordtimes.com/issues07/054207/community/054207co4.html Thanks SRwiki 07:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gladys Powers - an update 

message: Greetings,
Mr. Alunni is reporting the death of Giovanni Carta (born Dec 28 1899) on June 5 2007:
Greetings,
I am very sad to inform you that last night Giovanni Antonio Carta,
borm 28 december 1899, and the youngest veteran officially recognized
with the title of Cavaliere di Vittorio Veneto, passed away in his
home in Mores, Sardinia.
Regrads
Giovanni Alunni
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Worlds_Oldest_People/message/8000
Someone please update. Thanks.R Young {yakłtalk} 00:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giovanni Carta 1899-2007