Talk:List of Pacific hurricanes

message: Based on its length alone I split this off from the list of notable tropical cyclones.  It needs a lot of work however (as does that article). — jdorje (talk) 07:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New article

message: The current template has Iniki on top, though the Hurricane Pauline article shows the storm caused $7.5 billion, making it costlier than Iniki. Should that be changed? Hurricanehink (talk) 02:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costliest EPAC canes 

message: Sorry to be repeating myself on another page, but as this is the page dedicated to Pacific typhoons, I believe that Man-yi deserves mention here.
It is, as I said on List of notable tropical cyclones, it hit Japan outside of its usual typhoon season (Sept/Oct). It is, according to 日本放送局 (Nihon-housou-kyoku (NHK)(Japan Broadcasting Network))'s weather report, the 'strongest typhoon to hit Japan in July since the end of World War 2'. After watching the news, and the results of the typhoon in Naha, Okinawa and the death toll in Kagoshima (although it is not very high at all), I feel it is a good candidate for this page. 
Question: Would I add it to the 'Out of season' landfall (or whatever the title is - sorry)? Please give some advice. 
Thank you.
lallous 20:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a list of Eastern and Central Pacific hurricanes, not Western Pacific typhoons. The addition at List of notable tropical cyclones is sufficient. Thanks, SpLoT // 10:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: One more thing, though. There is no predefined season for the Western Pacific - the season runs year round. While more typhoons could strike Japan in certain months, to the best of my knowledge, the official agency (JMA) has not prescribed any such period. - SpLoT // 10:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typhoon Man-yi (Japan 07/2007) 

message: This article now has 220 numbered inline cites and uses a total of 113 different sources. However, it has a new problem: size. It is 72 kilobytes in size, which is quite hefty for an incomplete list. Hence I think splitting it is a legitimate line of discussion.
When expanding this list I especially created analogous sections to those in the Atlantic list. Hence the existence of the naming, seasonal activity, and etc sections. The most reasonable sections to be split would be those about seasonal records, perhaps to list of Pacific hurricane seasons. A similar discussion was done ages ago about adding the records to the Atlantic seasons list. Also, since there's no real point in having both lists cover different things, so this probably applies to list of Atlantic hurricanes as well.
But does anyone have alternative sections to split, or should size not be a concern as this is a list? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except for peer review input, this list is now finished in my view, and is even bigger. The same justification for a possible split still holds. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lists do not have to worry about having too many sources. Excluding the references and the images, the article size is very reasonable, although certainly some articles could be made out of the sections (List of deadliest Pacific hurricanes, or perhaps just List of deadly Pacific hurricanes, come to mind). One concern I have of the article is the lack of a sufficient lede, but otherwise it looks good. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a bit more to the lead. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, nice. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think we should remove all the stuff about the impact and either do one of two things. A) move to List of Pacific hurricane records or B) a merge into List of Pacific hurricane seasons. YE  Pacific Hurricane 16:38, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's quite enough for List of Pacific hurricane records, so yea, I think any of the etc. stuff should go into List of Pacific hurricane seasons. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  16:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size 

message: In order to be upgraded to B class, I think some of the article below likely needs to be included in the lead, which is supposed to be a summary of the article below. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Class

message: Is there anything actually worth keeping in this article.Jason Rees (talk) 01:31, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say the second section and parts of the 1st should be merged into the List of Pacific hurricane seasons article. YE  Pacific Hurricane 01:38, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Anyone have any thoughts about merging this with Pacific hurricane? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  21:31, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: Hello. I think I have noticed a small issue in the "Known storms causing $100 million (2009 USD) or more in damages" section. 1997's Hurricane Pauline is listed twice in that table, and the damage totals are different for each listing, too. Does anyone know which one of the damage total is the correct one for Pauline? 68.113.150.172 (talk) 04:29, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pauline listed twice in costliest hurricanes section with two different total damage numbers 

message: Anyone object to me eliminating this section? These issues arise:
* What criteria do we use to add a storm to this section? It seems to boil down to "notable tropical cyclones that cannot be listed anywhere else"
* They are elsewhere in the list, and therefore already qualify for inclusion in their own right
Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:44, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest im not sure this article should exist. The structure of the article is not brilliant and contains information that is in other articles such as TC naming and Rainfall on Hawaii.Jason Rees (talk) 00:24, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Come to think of it, maybe you're right. IIRC there used to be a similar list for the Atlantic, and there was an "inverse merger". Perhaps this page requires the same treatment. Split out everyting into other lists (some already exist) and reduce this page to disambiguation. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 00:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with both of you. There are tons of historically important storms not even in the article, FYI. This article as a whole has honestly become a list of things that don't have anything else. Here, believe it or not, I'd split almost everything to Pacific hurricane. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:49, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing the "Unnamed but historically significant" section 

message: In the article, it is stated that "no known tropical cyclone forming in the central north Pacific lasted for longer than 14 days without crossing into another basin; the tropical cyclone forming in the central Pacific that spent the most time there was 1988's Hurricane Uleki at 11.5 days from formation to crossing the dateline."
However, Ana has surpassed Uleki by lasting for 12.5 days (Advisory #51 was issued an hour ago). Should this be added to the article? --Weatherlover819 (talk) 09:59, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, according to the CPHC's FAQ site, the longest lasting Central Pacific hurricane was Hurricane Tico of 1978, lasting 12.5 days (from July 18 0000 UTC to July 30 1200 UTC). Why is Uleki listed as the longest? --Weatherlover819 (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The CPHC has just confirmed via the monthly summary, that Ana is the longest tropical cyclone in the basin for now.Jason Rees (talk) 19:46, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane Ana the longest lasting Central Pacific tropical cyclone? 

message: I have changed the table accordingly, and brought one or two more numbers in accordance with the content of the articles on the various pacific hurricane seasons.Redav (talk) 02:55, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major hurricanes counted as minor hurricanes in table on highest seasonal activity, and hurricanes are customarily counted as tropical storms as well 

message: Im not sure its wise to include a list on WPAC to CPAC tropical cyclones, when we have ex-tropical cyclones regularly making the crossing. Even if it is kept though I would object to Omeka being on the list since it wasnt considered tropical until after it had crossed the dateline in BT.Jason Rees (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Lots of things in the article are questionable. I wouldn't mind if it was deleted/merged, with the useful info put in Pacific hurricane. IMO, the crossers wouldn't be one of the things I'd include, as it's fairly trivial. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  17:44, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the JMA considered Omeka to be a tropical depression while it was on WPAC, so I can say that Omeka was a legit basin crosser, at least more legit than the likes of Enrique and Jimena, whose status as TCs on WPAC is debatable since both weren't reported by JMA. ABC paulista (talk) 18:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  WPAC to CPAC 

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message: I'm not usually one to make this sort of post - trust me, look through my entire 8-year editing history and you will find nothing of the sort - and you may just find it a more worthwhile endeavor than the experience I just went through.
For the sake of my feeble ape mind not believing that this endeavor was a total waste, I shall relay to you poor wikipedians an incident which has taken place on this very article, not one hour ago as my time of writing.
I've been following these pacific hurricanes for a good while now, thinking "oh my! This season has been quite active of late! I wonder how this compares to other seasons in how soon new hurricanes formed" That, dear friends, was my very first mistake.
My second mistake immediately followed; rather than simply wondering aloud and never considering the thought again, or perhaps searching the answer up on google and giving up when I couldn't find the answer, I instead noticed that there was no documentation whatsoever on this, and endeavored to find it myself.
what followed was a frantic carpal-tunnel infused perusal through the ever-anal annals of wikipedia's pacific hurricanes portal, searching all hurricanes from the last SEVENTY (70) years for an answer. The first couple were easy: The earliest hurricane to form was Pali in 2016, followed closely by Winona in 1989, and the earliest second was Hali in 1992, followed likewise by Bud in 2012.
The rest were much more of a hodgepodge - there was one stalwart hurricane Four in 1956, a nearly unquantifiable amount from 1984, 1985, and 1992, and a 6th, 10th, and 13th from 1970 that I later had to rewrite once I realized I'd been counting a tropical depression as a "storm", oh woe is me!
But that was not the only woe I was to find. No, indeed, as I had finished compiling the odd storm from 2012, 2014, 2018 - the single E from 2021 that remained, all of the storms from 1974 and 1978, gone back around to make sure I got all the dates right, and properly linked up (with in-section links no less!) I had no idea what was in store for me. Indeed, as I was about to press the terrifying "show preview" button I am still afraid to even gaze upon now lest it enact its revenge once again, I simultaneously found myself hitting the backspace on my computer by mistake!
Thrown forwards and backwards in the textual space-time continuum at the same time, this page I had spent the last seven hours compiling full-time found itself immediately torn apart like some internet version of being tossed into black hole, thrown into in a place beyond time, beyond space entirely: where it ended up, I know not, nor does science as a whole. What I do know, however, is that it is no longer within this corporeal realm.
I frantically checked every version - I had saved gratuitously, of course. The caches had vamoosed! absconded! hightailed out of town! I found myself staring into the very article I had been staring at for the last seven hours, something inscrutable missing, the memories of alphebatized lists already fading quickly from mind as in a dream after waking up.
Was I merely dreaming? Would it have been better if I had been? I do not know the answer, nor am I sure I want to. What I do know is that there now exists a timeline, not too distant from our own, in which there is now a list of the earliest hurricanes to form in the basin over the last eighty-some-odd years, preserved for generations to come, edited by prospective amateur hurricaneologists excitedly exclaiming "Victor is the earliest storm to form in this basin since 1992!" as they submit another typo-ridden, citation-famished paragraph of text to the newest seasonal article. However, this is not the timeline we live in, and that, my friends...
makes
me
mad.
exoplanetaryscience (talk) 04:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  WIKIPEDIA RELATED GRIEVANCES 

message: There are many notable tropical cyclones from there like Ioke 2006 and Paka 1997. and Olivia should be counted as its remants reformed ad a WPAC Depression  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegoodguyas (talk • contribs) 02:15, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: CPAC to WPAC crossovers happens way too frequently to be notable, and the fact that notable cyclones like these were part of it does'nt change the fact that this happening isn't notable on itself. And what Olivia are you talking about? There were 10 storms named Olivia on EPAC. ABC paulista (talk) 02:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding CPAC to WPAC and adding Olivia to EPAC-WPAC.