Talk:Index of Economic Freedom

message: Oh come on, this is just blatant propaganda.  You have to some brainwashed nut-job to think America is free at all, let alone free market.  God.  Where to start really--82.43.47.6 (talk) 17:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Go live in Zimbabwe or China and complain about their country if you think it's bad here, life is prison is lots of fun there I hear. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, because those are free countries, which fit my clear preferences.  Oh wait, you were trying to be sarcastic, you're so funny!  And America has a far far higher incarceration rate than even those two exemplars of totalitarianism.  FAIL.--82.43.47.6 (talk) 18:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I can confirm. I would like to see an index that simply measures the amount of regulations that oppose the formation of a small business. America would rank among the lowest and "3rd-world" countries among the highest. What this index appears to measure is safety, rather than freedom. 74.140.199.156 (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: America is free?!

message: Is this type of information not subject to copyright?  Presumably, the WSJ and Heritage Foundation paid big bucks to study all of these factors and may have some claim to copyright about the information in the study.  I guess that the main question is whether or not this information can be considered as objective fact.  I don't think that it is; there is a lot of research that has gone into this information. Feel free to explain why Wikipedia should copy the table of statistics. --timc | Talk 04:30, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Information cannot be copyrighted, only the means of expressing information. - Montréalais 08:36, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright 

message: Since it is placed simultaneously at 102 and 155 on the index, I nominate Burkina Faso for having the most interesting economic freedom status. Can someone sort that out? Jdcooper 14:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure the second one should be Myanmar, also called Burma. The map provided shows Burkina Faso as orange, and Myanmar as red; it isn't anywhere on the list, and I'm wondering if someone used BUR as a redirect for Burma, rather than Myanmar. I don't know how to edit the table, though. --ByeByeBaby 06:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe I fixed it.  I took a guess that Myanmar was MYA, and it took.   I hope I didn't mess it up.  Sandy 01:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burkina Faso 

message: Slovenia is missing from the rankings and after a quick glance I noticed that a few countries are misranked compared to the official website of Heritage . edolen1 23:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still don't know how to edit the table, but also missing are Cameroon and Moldova. --ByeByeBaby 06:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just edit Template:Index of Economic Freedom/Ranking 2006. Slovenia had 2.41, Cameroon 3.46 and Moldova 3.10. Unfortunately editing tables like that is a hell, because of need change rank of more that hundred records. --Jklamo 17:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slovenia missing 

message: The extreme-right-wing Heritage Foundation's concept of "economic freedom" is highly misleading. Basically, it's just code for "lack of unions and worker's rights." It's also code for giving corporations the ability to run amok, with no responsibility to society (even if that society's population strongly wants corporations to be controlled in some way). Therefore, for all the references to "freedom," it's clear that what the Heritage Foundation considers "freedom," is deeply anti-democratic. Incidentally, outside of giving corporations free reign, this "economic freedom" index doesn't seem to be very helpful to the small mom-and-pop business owners. As evidence for this, I'd point anyone to places like Asia and Continental Europe, where small and medium sized businesses thrive to an extent far beyond what we see in the American economy (which is heavily dominated by giant corporations). I find it interesting how U.S. right-wingers would consider a country like Japan to be anti-business-friendly. The fact is, Japan (with less than one-half of America's population) in fact has a greater number of businesses than the U.S. does.
:Right.  That must be why bastions of right-wing, laissez-faire economics like Denmark are ranked higher than the United States, land of socialism and economic equality.
:Look, this is an index of "economic freedom" as measured by what amounts to the ease of moving capital around without official state impediment--from both a domestic AND international point of view (which is why Japan gets such a mediocre score).  You can call that "right-wing propaganda" if you wish, but the results clearly show welfare states with some of the lowest Gini coefficients on earth ranking right next to states with much higher ones, with plenty of the former ranking near the top of the scale.  That should indicate to most fair-minded people the ideological neutrality of the measure. 
:At any rate, the arguments for its supposedly "biased" nature have been included in the article. 24.72.6.129 20:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is indeed politically biased. The choice of colors (green vs red) and the mixing of multiple types of "freedom" in one metric is highly misleading. The following aspects are counted as net negative: "minimum wage, laws inhibiting layoffs, severance requirements, and measurable regulatory restraints on hiring and hours worked".  This clearly right-wing propaganda.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.117.59 (talk) 13:22, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article's Concept Of "Economic Freedom" Is Right-Wing Propaganda 

message: Now, that cracks me up...American way of thanking for all the petroluem they got from Sauds..
My friend, this has nothing to do with Oil. If you'd keep thinking this way then it's better to say why Armenia or Jamaica or Colombia were ahead of both Saudi and Turkey? is there a conspiracy???!!!! please note that this is not a football league so you can get irritated when you don't perform well. And believe me, complete economic freedom is not the surest way to have a prosperous life.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.215.209.31 (talk) 17:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saudi Arabia is Freer than Turkey?? 

message: I suggest moving the contents and redirecting the article to Economic freedom. This because there are actually two very similar incdices. Much of the research mentioned here is actually from using the the other index and it would be better to discuss both in one place. Objections? Ultramarine 21:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Many peer-reviewed articles have used them. However, you are right that the concept existed before these surveys. Moving to Indices of Economic Freedom.Ultramarine 19:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirecting to [[Economic freedom]] 

message: "Sachs pointed out, as examples, that countries with good ratings such as Switzerland and Uruguay had sluggish economic performances, others, like China, with poorer rating had very strong economic growth."
Is Switzerland's economy is "sluggish" with one of the highest GDP per capita in the world ? Must be kidding. Arronax50 (talk) 00:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are mixing apples and oranges; a country can have a high income and grow very slowly, there is no contradiction there. His doesn't realize that if a country already has a high income, it needs an even higher level of economic freedom to induce growth, and since Switzerland and Uruguay have not gotten even freer than they are, they are not growing very strongly. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:39, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeffrey Sachs bit 

message: This change removed several paragraphs of properly sourced criticism with an inadequate explanation. If there are problems with individual claims or sentences, they should be addressed one at a time.Notmyrealname (talk) 11:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm beginning to think this article is beyond salvaging. Essentially, the owners want to present this tendentious concept in an uncritical fashion, and rule out all responses on the basis of spurious claims of one kind or another. I think the best response may be to delete this, and similar articles altogether.JQ (talk) 12:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, this is pretty standard on ideologically contentious articles. Let's keep plugging away, stick to the rules, and hopefully we can all end up with something we can live with. Notmyrealname (talk) 23:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unwarranted wholesale removal of sourced material 

message: A recent edit removed: "According to Left Business Observer, the Index has only a 10% statistical correlation with a standard measure of economic growth, GDP per capita" Comparisons of Index of Economic Freedom with GDP/capita
There was no explanation for the edit. Explain, please? CRETOG8(t/c) 20:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  left business observer 

message: It seems odd to have a specific article about Index of Economic Freedom 2003-2006. Those years seem arbitrary, for one thing. But also, it seems as though this main article is small enough that the list could be added without trouble. So, merge? CRETOG8(t/c) 16:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That article should be merged with List of countries by economic freedom. -- Vision  Thing -- 18:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please merge. It makes no sense for that article to stand apart from this one.Notmyrealname (talk) 05:24, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Index of Economic Freedom 2003-2006 and Index of Economic Freedom historical rankings should both be merged into List of countries by economic freedom. When you put all this together, it's probably too big to go into this particular article, so I suggest this one is kept separate. AndrewRT(Talk) 22:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Please note also my comment on Talk:Index of Economic Freedom historical rankings: some of the data seems to  be wrong. AndrewRT(Talk) 23:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Needs to be merged. --MeUser42 (talk) 10:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Why?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gotsitemo (talk • contribs) 01:16, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the picture, Lithuania is yellow? 

message: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking?src=home  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.242.0 (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: . I just added the data for full list of countries for 2013. The 2013 data for the first 5 and then the highest ranking 10 countries were originally added back on 10 and 11 March 2013 (by someone other than me). --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 04:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013- update needed 

message: The article is missing data for 2009, 2010, and 2011. The data is available on the Heritage Foundation's web site. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 11:30, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing data for 2009, 2010, and 2011 

message: Bump Canada down, please. 71.255.140.6 (talk) 13:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update Map 

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message: Can someone update the index please; it seems that only the top 15 were updated for 2016.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.142.154 (talk) 17:38, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  2016 index 

message: The "grey" countries need to be explained in the color key for the 2016 map.  Presumably it is "undetermined" because of an inability to obtain reliable info due to wars, political instability, etc. (?) --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:476:A710:819B:7961 (talk) 21:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  One Shade of Grey 

message: The current title grants the organization an undue weight of authority that should be better reserved for accountable and impartial organizations such as the UN. Or alternatively have the article list other organization's indexes of "economic freedom". We don't title "Time's Person of the Year" article as simply "Person of the Year" and the same standard should apply here. 2A02:8084:4EE0:6900:5C4:84A4:B98A:BE1C (talk) 23:18, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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message: I am considering to split this massive article into two: This article and '2013 - 2016 Rankings of Index of Economic Freedom'. As you can see, the previous rankings portion/section takes up 300,000 bytes of the article size, so I am willing to split the table in HALF. Any opinions? zsteve21 (talk) 12:28, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there would be no point in doing that. Splitting them up by years would change the historical purpose as it would be harder to compare information over years. It is true that various tables are at a fixed wide size however and don't display properly on smaller screens. The tables should be reorganized to better support viewing on smaller screens. Ergzay (talk) 17:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm gonna have to go with Ergzay on this one. The issue seems to be more with excess wikitext than actual article length. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 18:19, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the article