Talk:Rama language

message: In response to a proposal over at the Endangered Languages Wikiproject, I am prepared to contribute a section on grammar to the article on Rama language. It will take me a few days or weeks depending on how much time I have available and also how much source material I can get hold of. If I could consult a full grammar I could produce a longer grammar sketch of the type I did in Miskito grammar, for example. I understand there is such a grammar but unfortunately I can't get hold of it unless it is available on-line anywhere or someone could provide me with some kind of access. Any help would be appreciated. If not, I'll do the best with what I find, and will at least provide some grammar notes, even if sketchy. (I'm posting this both on the Endangered languages project page and the Rama language discussion page.) --A R King 11:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sounds really good Alan. Have you worked on Rama as well?·Maunus· ·ƛ· 11:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have serached but I find it pretty scant. I have the articles by Colette Grinevald Craig and some notes from a lecture by her I once attended about Rama revitalization. I also find the Creole to be pretty interesting loooking though but even less documented it seems. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 12:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Just another note to let you all know I've been collecting and compiling material for a few days now and expect to start putting in a grammar section any time now. --A R King 08:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rama grammar 

message: Hi folks, 
As I mentioned at WP:ENLANG, there are a bunch of resources at http://www.ailla.utexas.org/search/view_resource.html?country_id=14&name=Nicaragua . (Free registration required) There's no grammar, but there is a dictionary with a preface, and a lot of information about the revitalization project that took place (not sure about the current status of that project). I think Nora Rigby, who seems to have been key in the process of revitalization, probably merits her own page. I have a bunch of random links you might want to look through tacked under my user page, here: User:Babbage/Rama Language most of the resources are in Spanish, and one is in Norwegian, oddly enough. (Can't read that one, myself...) If anyone doesn't read Spanish I could help translate or summarize the articles.
Perhaps we could get in touch with Colette Grinevald (née Craig) to see about whether some of the images at the utexas site could be released to the article? --babbage 20:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, it isn't good enough to release images for use within a Wikipedia article. The images have to be GFDL or fair-use licensed (or perhaps some other Creative Commons-type license), which means their creators relinquish the copyrights. The images can then be used and/or modified by anyone at any time for any purpose, including to sell for profit... *--Ling.Nut 21:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for this information, babbage. It looks very useful and I will look further into it as soon as I have time. I'm giving priority to cleaning up Mayan languages right now, in response to a request from Maunus. By the way, I have just downloaded a Rama dictionary from the site but it has no preface or other preliminary matter so I take it this is not the same one. Are you referring to the one called "Elementary Rama Dictionary"? I started to download that one but the file is huge. Alan --A R King 16:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi there, yeah, that's the file I'm talking about. It's a short preface; but it has a phonology, that's what I used to add the phonology tables. The reference is: Diccionario Elemental Rama, ed. C. Craig, N. Rigby, A. Assadi, and B. Tibbitts. Eugene: University of Oregon. .1988. I'm not sure about how to fit this into the harvrefcol notation system used in the current references; will look into that and add it. --babbage 21:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks Ling.Nut! babbage 04:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome! Also, the  syntax for the in-text citation (as opposed to the ref in the ref section, which is of course more detailed) is , which produces  ...[not clickable on this talk page 'cause no ref section here, but clickable in article]. --Ling.Nut 13:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resources at the U of Texas 

message: Most complete freely-accessible discussion of Rama I've seen online so far here, in Spanish from  a Nicaraguan newspaper. Loanwords, phonology, history, etc. We can't really use the article itself as a source, I guess, but, unusually enough for a newspaper article, it cites its sources in most places (I guess cuz it was written by an academic), sorta, though the full citations aren't there. Cheers, cab 23:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi cab, yeah, I thought it was interesting that that article gave a phonology as well. Notice that his list of phonemes, however, fails to mention /k/. (I imagine this was simply a typo.) In the preface to the dictionary at the U of Texas site, there is a complete phonology as well, which includes /k/. I started to convert the very nice phonology chart at Miskito to cover the Rama phonology, but the Mediawiki table markup makes me go entirely crosseyed... Anyway, I will make the task of creating a phoneme chart my first contribution to the article. --babbage 00:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newspaper article 

message: Craig cited it as 1911, but yeah, I think it might actually be the one published in 1920 (didn't see anything he published in 1911 when I googled it). cab 01:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walter Lehmann 

message: Hi folks, 
This article is movin along, awesome! 
I'd like to add a map of the places where Rama is spoken. I can do one as an SVG with Inkscape, but the problem is that I need a map that is 1) under a free license and 2) of sufficient resolution to show the little nooks and crannies around Bluefields lagoon so that the map will be meaningful. The maps at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Nicaragua just don't have sufficient resolution. After asking in the IRC channel, it seems that even tracing an existing non-free map is a derivative work, so I can't just trace the map in the Craig dictionary, unfortunately (although that would be the source of the information). Any suggestions on how to get a detailed-enough outline map to start with? babbage 20:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this one ? It's better resolution than those other ones. Also I think it is ok to trace it as long as it is different enough from the original that nobody would be able to see what its traced from. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 11:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot Maunus, that is just what I needed. babbage 19:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: in the language infobox, ld1=Rama points Rama.--Ling.Nut 21:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  rama=king of ancient India 

message: # I presume the number of speakers has changed since 19982.
# What's with the tigers? First, if kruubu is "tiger", where is the tiger in Walsa anut su tabiu? Second, there are no tigers native to the Americas, and kruubu does not seem like a loanword - does it perhaps mean jaguar, cougar, ocelot? Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 10:59, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Two things