File talk:Cisco7600seriesrouter.jpg

message: This is the second largest router Cisco Systems sells.  It would basically be next to impossible to take a photo of one of these units.  They are normally kept in secure locations and are used on very large enterprise networks or on the Tier 1 level of the Internet. --akc9000 (talk • contribs • &site=  count) 22:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These are for sale. There's nothing stopping a member of the general public from purchasing one and photographing it. – Quadell (talk) (random) 14:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or else Cisco may allow potential customers to look at these machines and photograph them. nadav (talk) 19:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do not see your logic. You would want someone to spend tens of thousands of dollars to purchase one so that it may be photographed?  One actually in service will surely never be allwed to be photograhed since they are in secure locations.  Security of core routers is of upmost importance to ISPs.  I asked two if I could take a photo of existing units and I was told no.  If you could find someone willing to allow you to take a photo of one I would agree with you.  But I do not, since I tried to take a photo of one already and was refused.  In theory you could find someone willing to allow a photo.  I cannot. --akc9000 (talk • contribs • &site=  count) 22:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could someone take a picture in a showroom or by requesting permission from Cisco? nadav (talk) 22:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now you are talking about something else, completely!  Sure, take a day off from work, fly to Cicos corp. office and I am sure they will tell you to take a copy of the glossy as they told me.  Fair use states: if the photos, might reasonably be found... These photos cannot reasonably be found. Cisco provided the glossy images and I do not see the issue at all. Furthermore it is not reasonable to ask for a photo of one of these units. Wikipedia is based on volunteers.  You can travel to take a photo if you can find someone willing. But I do not think anyone will allow you to take a photo of one of these units in their computer room and Cisco will just hand you the glossy as they did to me --akc9000 (talk • contribs • &site=  count) 23:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  Fair Use states that I free photo should be used if one could be reasonably be found to replace the fair use photo.  This unit is not something that could be easily be photographed.  They are not sold in store and they are not normally shown on display.  In theory a photo could be taken of one of these units but it is not reasonably.  This photo is from a glossy that was provided by Cisco when I request someplace where a photo of this unit may be taken.  It is therefore not reasonable to delete this photo because there is no free replacement availble. --akc9000 (talk • contribs • &site=  count) 16:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  This photo was from a press kit. Press kit photos are used thoughout wiki with no issue being raised. --akc9000 (talk • contribs • &site=  count) 16:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Press kit photos of items that are available for sale are routinely deleted as being replaceable. "Other violations exist" isn't a good reason to keep. Photos of these items can be taken; see here for an amateur photo of a similar piece of equipment. – Quadell (talk) (random) 18:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Why has OTRS not reviewed this image yet? The issue isn't completely closed until OTRS gives a link on the image desc. page to the forwarded email. nadav (talk) 06:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair Use