Talk:France in the early modern period

message: *Merge --IvanP 21:51, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

message: I started a discussion on the talk page of the main article History of France, suggesting that the order of sections in sub articles should be changed, any comment there welcome. See Talk:History of France. Equendil Talk 20:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of sub articles 

message: Hi, I propose creating a new article on the constitutional monarchy of Louis XVI.-- Jack1755 (talk) 19:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good thing I didn't wait around for a reply! -- Jack1755 (talk) 00:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Article 

message: To reduce the size of this page, I think that the "Structure of the Ancien Régime" sections should be pulled out to their own page.  Any suggestions as to the best article name? --NYArtsnWords 18:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I pulled out the structures section and put them at Ancien Régime in France.--NYArtsnWords 16:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advice sought on page size/sub page 

message: Is it possible to rename the article? Because 'Early modern France isn't what it was rreally called. It was Just Royume Francais.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philip Auguste (talk • contribs) 05:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The name was designed to fit with the History of France series (France in the Middle Ages, France in the long nineteenth century, France in the twentieth century) when all of these detailed subpages on historical periods were established (established, it should be noted, as separate from political regime articles such as French First Republic or Second French Empire) in 2005.  If I remember correctly, discussion on this can be found at Talk:History of France.  The title "Kingdom of France" doesn't fit this structure; it seems to imply a more state-centered or political focus, similar to what is covered under Ancien Régime in France. Any proposed moves or renaming should probably be taken up at History of France or with one of the related wiki-projects.  Thanks. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 16:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I have moved the following references, added 9 August 2008 by User:David Lee Rubin, from the article to here, due to what I believe to be issues with Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:LINKSPAM:
* Rubin, David Lee (editor). Continuum - themed annual of early-modern French studies. New York: AMS Press, 1989-93. ISBN (series) 0-404-63750-7.
* Rubin, David Lee (editor, 1993-2001); Anne L. Birberick and Russell J. Ganim (editors 2002-). EMF: Studies in Early Modern France - themed annual. Charlottesville: Rookwood Press (1993-) .
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If other editors feel that the above links should be included in the article, please address the above issues. Thanks. NYArtsnWords (talk) 00:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promotional references for a person's own works 

message: BTW, in looking over Kingdom of France article, it might be a good idea to refine some of the content of the page to accurately reflect its focus on "France as a political unit, its government and constitution" and to push any Hobsbawm/Braudel-like over-arching (non-regime/non-political) material (demographics, economy, language, etc.) to the France in the Middle Ages and Early modern France articles.  This may also entail moving some or all of the material at Ancien Régime (which has become, de facto, "the administration of the Ancien Regime") to Kingdom of France.  Comments?  Suggestions?  Thanks. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 00:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is the "History of France" has to cover so many kings and wars that it would be excessively long to include social, economic and cultural history. The literature is vast: The Annales School has produced thousands of books & articles --many of which call for Wikipedia's attention. Rjensen (talk) 04:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for the history of why there are "two streams of articles": as it was very wisely pointed out to me in 2005 when we first set up the two streams, (paraphrasing) "history of regions is not the same thing as the history of regimes under which they were governed".  Because of this, we kept the "regime" articles (1st empire, second empire, 3rd republic, etc) as their own specific articles, but asked larger questions about language, geography, economics, demographics, institutions, etc. in the other history articles (Middle Ages, Early Modern, Long 19th century, Modern...).  Portions of this discussion can be found at Talk:History of France.  I have always appreciated the Braudel scope of our History of France articles, but it does take some work to explain the two separate streams to new readers. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 04:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we might be able to move (and, eventually, greatly expand) the "Social history" section (and perhaps portions of "The Church" section) of Ancien Régime to Early modern France, thus keeping the "Ancien Régime" article specifically focussed on administrative issues (taxation, justice, etc.), and helping to flesh out the "social history" purview of the "Early modern France" article. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 04:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with "move (and, eventually, greatly expand) the "Social history" section (and perhaps portions of "The Church" section) of Ancien Régime to Early modern France" Rjensen (talk) 05:30, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and brought the "social history" section over.  The "Ancien Régime" article is now : the term, administrative divisions, justice, finances (taxation), administration, and the church. There are also two small "downfall" and "nostalgia" sections at Ancien Régime, which could also probably be moved.  The "church" section (whether it remains at AR or is moved to EMF) needs to be greatly expanded, at the very least to include discussion of the religious orders and monasteries in France, the percentage of the population it represented, the expulsion and return of Jesuits, etc.  There are certainly good reasons for moving/merging almost the entirety of Ancien Régime into Early modern France (keeping only a description of the expression "ancien régime" and its usage), although I worry it would make EMF a very long article. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 17:09, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Political vs social history

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message: "until the French Revolution took place in a radical time suppression of administrative incoherence."</br>
What does it mean? Would it better be changed?--Adûnâi (talk) 23:38, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
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