Talk:List of irreligious organizations

message: As this list was created fairly quickly and from a variety of sources, it is possible that it contains groups that do not meet the criteria. If you remove a group, please give a brief reason why. Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 19:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Creation of the list

message: Here are two obvious ones: American Association for the Advancement of Atheism and Godless Americans Political Action Committee (Yes, you're detecting an American bias there.) Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 22:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note, that last one is a redirect to American Atheists. Although related, it really deserves its own article. Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 22:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If a group has its own web page presence on the internet, that should be enough whether or not it has a wp article. Motorrad-67 22:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not Google. If anything, in line with WP:EL any link that is an external link should be excluded as it is discouraged to have external links within an article itself.---- WebHamster 22:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree with that emphatically! The list of atheist organizations with a web presence would be enormous!! Also, note that AAAA doesn't have a web presence, AFAIK. Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 22:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AAAA has apparently been defunct since prior to the WWW. However, they were an important (though embarrassing) part of US atheism 1930-1980 or so. 128.143.34.180 (talk) 17:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

text: I've added a note on the Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Atheism page requesting input here. Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 22:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some very notable groups without articles

message: Guys, cut it out OK? WebHamster, I think on balance you're probably right about the deletion, but it's not a life or death situation right now - why not just leave it for a day or so until we can discuss it on the talkpage a bit more? Motorrad, I think the removals will be revealed to be justified. Both of you, WP:3RR looming! This little article isn't worth it!! We're all here for the same reason, to build a better encyclopedia. Battling edit summaries isn't the way to do it! Anchoress 22:27, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine.  This is one of the things about WP I hate and makes it unpleasant -- when someone like Hamster forces his opinion on others ignoring discussion. I will not be watching this page; it has become embroiled in stupid, unnecessary argument. Motorrad-67 22:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who's arguing? I'm most certainly not. Motorrad-67 appears to think that discussion is obligatory and that as he's added the links that have been deleted that it in some way gives him authority to say yay or nay. As regards the 3RR rule, he's already breached that. I have actually held off from deleting the remaining (original) list entries that consist of external links as they are more likely to be notable (due to their international status) regardless of them being externally linked. It isn't my intention to decimate this list, and just to prevent future allegations of bias, I'll declare (not for the first time on WP), that I am actually an atheist so there is no religious motive in my doing what I've done. Wikipedia guidelines and standards is though. ---- WebHamster 22:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert war between [[User:WebHamster]] and [[User:Motorrad-67]] 

message: I agree completely about the edit warring. Unfortunately, it's harder to discuss whether most of these are notable or not without a handy list of the original groups. To that end, I've duplicated an archived version in my user space. Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 22:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sandbox for discussion of notability

message: Why isn't there also a list of secular organizations of France?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.231.162 (talk) 11:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about France? 

message: Who authorized Iron Gargoyle to purge the list of all references that weren't article links? I don't see any of his comments here! 50.129.61.85 (talk) 10:34, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  List Purge 

message: I suggeste the organization "Openly Secular" be added to this list. See: http://www.openlysecular.org/ 
"The mission of Openly Secular is to eliminate discrimination and increase acceptance by getting secular people - including atheists, freethinkers, agnostics, humanists and nonreligious people - to be open about their beliefs."
Thanks. --Lbeaumont (talk) 14:13, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Openly Secular 

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message: This article name reflects an American NPOV. Only in the US, and relatively recently (and by the religious right, btw) did the term secularism been strongly associated with a meaning which actually befits irreligion. For references, cf. Berlinerblau, How to be Secular. The primary and conventional meaning of "secularism" is separation of church and state, and promoting a secular (not nonreligious) society. The list here refers to nonreligious/irreligious organizations. To avoid confusion, the article should be renamed accordingly. There is a great drive in academia to be very specific about these terms. AddMore-III (talk) 08:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move