Talk:Hispanophone

message: there is no such thing as a brazilian speaking portuñol as a primary language or secondary language, it's not even a recognized language, i live in Brazil and i never heard of such thing,no such thing as 20 million hispanics in brazil, that is complete BullS***, Spanish is tought in brazilian schools but that doesn't mean that it's considered a hispanophone country, Australia also teaches spanish in schools, Lol, this article is completely messed up, saying that brazil is part of the hispanophone is like saying that Brazil is also considered part of the german speaking world because there are some german brazilians that speak a variety of german
Prove that there isn't "20 million hispanics in brazil"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Brazil  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jan Gabriel Viljoen (talk • contribs) 23:59, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Please remove Brazil from this article

message: How true is it that "hispanophone" is used as a synonym for "Hispanic" in the U.S.?  It seems to me (an American from the Northeast) that they mean subtly, but clearly, different things.  "Hispanic" as used in the United States refers to someone whose recent ancestors are from the Spanish-speaking countries of Latin America, and is used more or less interchangeably with "Latino" (although the former term is often taken to be somewhat patronizing).  One does not have to actually speak Spanish to be considered Hispanic, just as a person whose ancestors are from Italy does not have to actually speak Italian in order to be considered "Italian" in an American context.  In my view, "hispanophone" seems clearly to mean "speaker of Spanish", not just someone with family roots in Spanish-speaking culture.  I rarely hear "hispanophone" used all that much, so perhaps it is used (in the Southwest, perhaps?) in the same sense as "Hispanic".  I welcome any input on this point.  --Skoosh 05:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're correct that they are different.  A "Hispanophone" is a Spanish-speaking person, just as a "Francophone" is French-speaking and "Anglophone" English-speaking.  "Hispanic origin" is an ethnic category.  In the 2000 census, 12.5% of the population was of Hispanic origin, while 10.7% of the population spoke Spanish.  Thus there are some people who are Hispanic but not Hispanophones (and there may well be Hispanophones who aren't Hispanic). Funnyhat 04:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It doesn't have an official name (not even English), no matter how commons is Spanish. See the New Mexico article. Mariano(t/c) 08:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: In the US

message: There is a problem with the Hispanophone map. The problem is that the Western Sahara region is shaded green. The green shade needs to be erazed because the Majority of the people of Western Sahara are 'not' Hispanics nor a Spanish speaking population. The Majority of it's people are of Arabic and African descent. Arabic is the official language of Western Sahara and it remains the sole language of the country. The map needs to be change because it is giving out mis-leading information. thanks!--Cajamarca express 2:48 27 February 2007 (UTC)
:Well to be truthfull the really only Hispanics are Spaniards.  Western Saharans have the same right to be "Hispanics" as Mexicans and Cubans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Casey14 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Spanish is talked by the free saharauis (those who don't live in occupied territories) this is only thanks to Cuba and it's usually taught by Cuban teachers. http://www.lavozdegalicia.com/santiago/2008/03/04/0003_6622703.htm http://www.diagonalperiodico.net/spip.php?article6301  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.103.137.161 (talk) 10:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Sahara are 'not' Hispanics nor a Spanish speaking nation 

message: In the map Morocco and Western Sahara appear as Hispanophone (albeit stating that they are  "Countries and regions where the Spanish language is spoken without official recognition, or where Spanish-based créole languages (Chamorro, Chavacano, Papiamento, Portuñol, etc) are spoken with or without official recognition, and areas with a strong Hispanic influence."). I believe that Spanish speaking populations outside Ceuta and Melila are neglectable. I'm raising this issue at the Commons. Thank you! The Ogre 13:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The text even states that Northern Morocco was a Spanish colony! if you read the article on Morocco, the situation was much more complex, it states "Successful Portuguese efforts to invade and control the Atlantic coast in the fifteenth century did not profoundly affect the Mediterranean heart of Morocco. After the Napoleonic Wars, Egypt and the North African maghreb became increasingly ungovernable from Istanbul, the resort of pirates under local beys, and as Europe industrialized, an increasingly prized potential for colonization. The Maghreb had far greater proven wealth than the unknown rest of Africa and a location of strategic importance affecting the exit from the Mediterranean. For the first time, Morocco became a state of some interest in itself to the European Powers. France showed a strong interest in Morocco as early as 1830. Recognition by the United Kingdom in 1904 of France's sphere of influence in Morocco provoked a German reaction; the crisis of June 1905 was resolved at the Algeciras Conference, Spain in 1906, which formalized France's "special position" and entrusted policing of Morocco to France and Spain jointly. A second Moroccan crisis provoked by Berlin, increased tensions between European powers. The Treaty of Fez (signed on March 30, 1912) made Morocco a protectorate of France. By the same treaty, Spain assumed the role of protecting power over the northern and southern Saharan zones on November 27 that year."!!! The Ogre 13:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Morocco and Western Sahara

message: Andorra is not a Spanish speaking country, so I have eliminated it from the list of countries that "speak Spanish". Andorra official language is Catalan but  neither French no Spanish are official. There is people speaking French, Portuguese or Spanish, but his does not make Andorra part of the Francophonie or the Lusofonia or the Spanish Sprachraum.  
Enric (talk) 14:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The United States is on that list too.  I'm pretty sure it's just supposed to be a list of countries where some people speak Spanish. --Alynna (talk) 00:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Andorra is not a Spanish speaking country

message: There are 46,943,613 hispanics in USA according to the Census Bureau.  
34,559,894 is a figure about the spanish speakers as a first language older than 5 years old (because they speak it at home and it is their mother tongue), but in any country all the population speaks spanish as a first language even in Spain (only 89% speak spanish as a first language).
The figures of the table are all about the hispanic population. The other figure (34,559,894) would be correct if the table were about spanish speakers as a first language. --Migang2g (talk) 00:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hispanics in USA

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There are several issues with the map of Spanish as official or co-official language. What is the criteria used to determine if a country has Spanish as a co-official rather than the sole official language? 
* Spain is shown as a country where Spanish is the sole official language. Yet, there are another 3 co-official languages Catalan (Valencian), Basque and Galician. Granted, these are co-official only in specific autonomous communities and not in the entire Spanish territory;
* Then, following the same logic as above, Argentina is shown as a country where Spanish is the sole official language, even if in the province of Corrientes, Guaraní is co-official with Spanish; 
* Yet, Mexico is shown as a country where Spanish is co-official with other languages, even though there is not even a single legal document that has established Spanish as the official language in the country. There is a "General Law of Linguistic Right of the Indigenous Peoples" that declares that "indigenous languages [without specifying which] are also national languages equally valid in the territories in which they are spoken". In other words, the indigenous languages, declared "national" are "valid" [official?] only in the territories in which they are spoken, but not at a federal level. In other words, Nahuatl is equally valid to Spanish in the indigenous communities of the mountains of Puebla, but not in Yucatán, where it is not spoken. 
Following the same logic as in Spain or Argentina, Mexico, if at all, should be shown as a country with a sole official language. Or, on the other hand, following the same logic as in Mexico, Argentina and Spain should be shown as countries where Spanish is co-official with other languages.
--the Dúnadan 19:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Official and co-official

message: It is not clear how many speak Spanish in the Sahara. The 430,000 seem to be the total population.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.11.202 (talk) 15:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sahara 

message: In Mexico, Spanish is the only "national" language even if there are many minority languages like Nauahtl spoken by just 5% of the population but which the rest of Mexicans don´t know. In Spain, cooficial languages like Catalan have much more recognition.--213.60.237.52 (talk) 19:43, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Mexico

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message: The map is slightly misleading. It's somewhat useful for historical language ranges, but these have long since passed. In Bilbao the capital of El Pais Vasco basque is incredibly rare to hear, but it's marked on the map as being a basque speaking region. Same is true for the Valencian Community, a dialect of Catalan was spoken there, however it's quite rare to hear Catalan now a days, as its been almost completely supplanted by Spanish. Even in Catalonia the majority language is Spanish and not Catalan. Given the current political situation in Spain, this map could be taken as being propagandistic. 
Language of Cataluña by population and percentage there of: https://www.idescat.cat/pub/?id=eulp&n=3163&lang=es
Valencian Community: http://www.cis.es/cis/export/sites/default/-Archivos/Marginales/2660_2679/2667/e266702.html
El Pais Vasco: http://www.euskara.euskadi.eus/contenidos/informacion/argitalpenak/es_6092/adjuntos/EEH/GAZTELAN/EEH2_CAS.PDF
I'm not saying that it has to be removed entirely, but it ought to be qualified because as is it's disingenuous. 
181.137.201.190 (talk) 00:26, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of Languages in Spain 

message: What' is All the fuss over a tiny portion of Brazil on this map? it's not even the whole country. It's not even half. It's a small part that's listed and everyone is having a heart attack over it. chill out. what I find disturbing enough is why is Israel The United States of America & France colour coded? Regardless of the immigrants it has nothing to do with Hispanics. (If you don't count Florida & most of the Western USA & even that it's fringe) If Brazil "doesn't belong there" then sure enough the USA France and Israel doesn't belong there. What are they doing there? it's like placing Bulgaria as a Chinese speaking country because of some inhabitants. And by the way like it or not Brazil has ALOT more in common culturally with their Spanish speaking neighbor countries from Mexico to Peru to Colombia to Chile than Israel, USA or France. 76.167.193.57 (talk) 20:52, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian fragility 

message: Why does the Phillippines have a light blue dot over the island of Luzon? The dot doesn't have a dark outline like the dots used to symbolize smaller territories and no administrative divisions of Luzon are colored in. I think it should be removed or should be changed to match the style of the rest of the map. 69.75.36.225 (talk) 21:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there. The existing consensus is that while there is a Spanish-speaking community in the Philippines and the language is spoken, it is not spoken widely enough that it merits the entire country being colored in, which is why you see the blue dot over the area which is supposedly Manila. Although I do not personally agree with the outcome of this consensus, as I personally believe the country should be shaded in entirely, that is where the consensus currently stands, and better that Spanish-speaking Filipinos are at least represented in the map rather than, as some would want it to be, not represented at all. --Sky Harbor (talk) 00:51, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phillippines in the map "Geographic distribution of the Spanish language"