Talk:Beyoncé/Archive 2

message: Who is this Caroline Malala A.K.A Giselle? She wrote something very depriving and sick words on Beyonce. BritandBeyonce 10:57, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Attention

message: #The Singles Part of the article shouldnt be Number One Singles it should just be Singles
#be in double quotation marks, not italics. - Done
#Solitary year, month and month-year links should not be inserted unless there is an extremely good reason. - Done
#Various capitalisation errors in song and album titles, e.g. "Check On It" instead of the correct "Check on It". - Done
#Various formatting errors: some words are bolded for no reason, others are not italicised when they should be. - Done
#she was marred to 50 cent if u want to call her to ask her about why  6312231427 
In summary, the article definitely needs a copyedit. For more information, consult Wikipedia's manual of style. Extraordinary Machine 20:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I went through and made these changes. If there's anything more, let me know. JackO'Lantern 21:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 17:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was don't move. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 11:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Singles

message: The title of this page needs to be Beyoncé instead of Beyoncé b/c she dropped Knowles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CKMusic107 (talk • contribs) 03:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No...No change in her name is needed. Although Beyoncé is well-known by her first name for music, she is usually credited as "Beyoncé Knowles" in movies. For example, here's Beyoncé in a Dreamgirls promotional poster and the credit for Beyoncé in the Dreamgirls movie itself. lwalt 05:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title Change

message: .... piece from a record company or PR agency?
Take a look at any other pop celebrity of Beyonce's level (like Brooke Hogan, Paris Hilton, Jessica Simpson, Brandy, or Monica) - look at other pages and there's plenty about those people that is less than "perfect" (with no little cute warning signs about posting potentially libelous items!). Beyonce will star as Aida in the film version of the Disney musical. Disney announced 7/06/07.
This is pathetic to think that Wiki is being used and abused as just another PR tool for another pop celeb-diva. If Wiki allows people to post controverstial, debated, and scandalous items about others (especially dead stars who cannot defend themselves) - why does this pop celebrity like Beyonce get a free pass?
I guess because her label or PR agency made a few donations to Wiki to see it done right! hmmm.
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.195.127 (talk • contribs) 
==> I put what was said above word for word in lower case. Please refer to the wikipedia manual of style for writing capital letters. Manual of Style Also I am not part of Beyonce's PR company, nice try though. :) 
Anonymous1 2:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If "it can be argued", do it. Give some details. What specifically is wrong? -Phoenixrod 06:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why does this entire Beyonce profile read like a P.R.

message: Does the accent on the E imply that her name is pronounced be-yon-CE —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.188.172.165 (talk) 01:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The accent in Beyoncé helps the reader pronounce it Bee-yon-say. Without an acute diacritic the name Beyonce would be pronounced Bee-yons. Her name rhymes with the word "fiancée". --Speakslowly 07:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Accent

message: Beyonce was named after her mother's maiden name, in order to carry out the family last name since there was a shortage of males in the family. I know many people of different backgrounds visit this website, and may know people from their country with the last name beyonce. Can someone from a different culture, tell me where the name came from?  I believe it is french or italian.  beyonce grandmother(tina knowles mother) appears to be a bi-racial.
Actually, her mother's maiden name is spelled "Beyince", but it is spelled the same way. Tina Knowles just changed the "i" to and "o" to make it look more like a first name.
::In this article, Beyoncé's mother explains the decision (and her own family's reaction) behind the name Beyoncé - Beyonce's name sparked family controversy. (2004, February 18). Platium Celebs. Retrieved December 29, 2006. lwalt 07:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Where does the name beyonce originated from?

message: Why was she removed from the whistle register category? I thought we had agreed that the C6 she hit in "Happy Face" qualifies her for the whistle register. Jdot01 06:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Whistle Register?

message: Well, first I must say I'm impressed by Beyonce's vocals on her track "listen", and I'm a fan. However, I find it difficult to believe she has a 4 octave range, and is compared to the artist this new section says she is. I think if there are no references found in a certain time, then it should be deleted. It just seems like a over-hyped fan spitting out non-sensical romance words. Mforeman 03:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay...and this was relevant how?  Beyonce's lowest note that I've heard is a D2.  her hightest note that I've heard is a E6.  E6 – D2 = 4 octaves.  Get it now? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jdot01 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vocal Ability?

message: What is going on? (NitaReads 03:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the page has been protected from unnecessary vandalism. Georgia Peachez 02:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  when willl it be reopened? i wanted t correct a link. Here is the webpage that says her album is coming out in summer 07:  http://www.beyoncedaily.org/index.php?subaction=showcomments&id=1167189087&archive=&start_from=&ucat=& by 208.58.196.156 01:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WHY HAS THE ARTICLE BEEN SHUT DOWN FOR EDITING?

message: According to Wikipedia's own list of best selling musical artists, The Andrews Sisters have sold 75 million or more,  which is likely to be over 25 million in excess of what Destiny's Child has sold.
– — … ° ≈ ≠ ± − × ÷ ← → · §71.52.91.79 17:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Best selling girl group of all-time?

message: Very dubious indeed. The japanese market is notoriously difficult to crack for an american artist. Only five english-language songs in history have ever reached the number one position on the official Japanese singles chart. Double check this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.132.3.7 (talk) 09:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Three number one singles in Japan?

message: Why has the photo of Beyoncé been removed please?SmokeyTheCat 22:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it infringed copyright. 212.139.171.139 17:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: Someone put information about Ne-Yo writing all lyrics and Beyonce coming up with the melody.  It's true and was removed. I think it is reliable.  I am a Beyonce and Destiny's Child fan, but I knew something was weird when you look in Beyonce's B'Day booklet there are too many songwriters' names on the songs.  I think she didn't write any of the songs. 
Also what happened to Beyonce's pop genre.  She is a pop singer.  Pop music is not about race and style. It is about melody and catch. Read what it's about. Pop music TheWoogie 17:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Irreplaceable and pop genre

message: one thing that most people don't know, is that beyonce refuses to pay her backstage singers proper wages, and treats them like dirt. no, not just dirt, like crap.I think that this should be added to wikipedia, to note her good points as well as her bad.I heard this info from the radio: 89.3 KOHL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.6.128.179 (talk) 02:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That source isn't good enough, 'the radio'. Which radio station did you hear it on? When? Who said it? How did they say it? This all matters. I'm not saying that your thing about her treating her backstage singers is untrue, but we need more info before it can be included in the article. 212.139.171.139 17:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  An important fact needed 

message: It seems that in almost every article I read, there's a controversy section that gives a stage for some random advocacy group to voice their opinion about the subject. Is this really necessary? It's usually radical organizations like Peta, who want to advocate their own opinion in nearly every subject. Eating meat or wearing fur does NOT make that person controversial. I think a system needs to be put into place at Wikipedia that limits the ability of advocacy groups to make every article their platform.
:Proposal:  The way the section reads (at present) in this article, PETA basically executed a publicity stunt.  The stunt had little to do with Beyoncé and more to do with PETA.  As a result, it seems hardly relevant to this particular subject.  One editor made the point in his/her edit summary that it's notable because it was covered in the press.  However, that raises the question over whether or not every incident the press covers should be included in a subject's biography.  I would argue that it isn't.  At any rate, in this case, I think it would be useful to create something along the lines of a "List of Celebrities Confronted by PETA" which includes a brief description of each documented incident.  Sections such as the one discussed here would certainly find a home there.  Thoughts anyone?  Rklawton 21:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the section from the PETA article because it is already mentioned in their article (see 2006 in PETA#Timeline), and it was placed into the article with an extremely POV title as you stated.  I have cut down the section in the article.  Maybe it needs to be moved or merged into another section, but there is no reason to remove it completely when it is notable and well referenced, might as well remove the "Philantropy" section which has absolutely no references.  This article reads with an extreme positive POV about Beyonce.  It's no surprise that the one thing that is not completely positive about her is being continually removed.  The section does not attack her; it just states a fact, a fact that was reported in the mainstream media and continues to be controversial.  I also fail to see how the sourcing is not proper as you stated on my talk page.  Firstly, the section is sourced by articles from The Sydney Morning Herald and BBC; I don't see how we can get any better/notable sources than those.  Secondly, it is one of the few sections in this article that actually cites reference, compare it to the trivial and extreme fancruft in the "Records and achievements" section, if anything is not notable it's that stuff.  --musicpvm 01:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the citations are fine - except the YouTube link.  We have no citations to show that the YouTube link is the correct video, and fakes abound.  Rklawton 04:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does every story on Wikipedia need a Controversy section? 

message: Just thought I'd point out that the vandalsim on this page is ridiculous, I can damn near refresh the page and see something new every time. PhoenixTwo 07:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Could we use the cover of [[B'Day] for the image of Beyoncé until another picture of her is available? --CrazyBusLive-Online 23:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Short answer: no.  Longer answer: no, it's copyrighted.  Using the cover is fine to illustrate the album when placed next to critical commentary about the album.  However, using any copyrighted picture to illustrate her does not work since the picture would be replaceable.  ShadowHalo 07:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See fair use criteria for details.  Rklawton 21:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Here's what I was thinking of putting in Beyonce's vocal profile, but I didn't want to add it because it would just get deleted.  Please correct me if you have other information.
Classification: Dramatic-Mezzo Soprano
Highest Full Voice Note:  F#5 in "Free" by Destiny's Child
Highest Note: E6 in "Happy Face" by Destiny's Child
Lowest Note: D3 in "Bills, Bills, Bills" by Destiny's Child
Estimated Vocal Range: 4.1 octaves
Jdot01 22:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vocal Profile (again)

message: In the Destiny's child tour (Destiny Fullfilled... ans loving it tour) she goes lower than a d3 and it is on the song bills bills bills, her full voice can probably be on listen and yeah the e6 in happy face sounds right —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.59.40.145 (talk) 22:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vocal Profile

message: Actually, I just checked the notes from "Listen" and "Free" and the highest notes in those songs are in fact the same note, so I guess it doesn't really matter which one is used.Jdot01 22:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply

message: All of the information there is verifiable. Do I need a source for her classification or something, because I know I don't need one for the notes she sang.Jdot01 13:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to cite a reference for all of it.  It looks like original research to me since it doesn't have a citation.  It's also been the subject of some controversy in this article (I'm not sure why - I didn't follow it that closely) and the best way to resolve that controversy is with unambiguous citations supporting the asserted facts.  --ElKevbo 14:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it would make sense for the song to be the research.  I'm willing to look for a source on her vocal classification though, because I've seen that somewhere before.Jdot01 16:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you need a reference stating that "In song ___, she ___ (hit a particular note, held a note for a period of time, etc.)."  It would be original research for us to claim to have listed to a song and identified a particular note as the highest, lowest, longest, etc.  --ElKevbo 16:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Its hard to say exactly what Beyonce is cause she can more than comfortably sing Alto. Her lowest I've heard was a Bb2. And her highest was only E6 and it was kinda shouted. I think in order to be a soprano she should be able to hit C6 easier than she does. Kelly does it easier than Beyonce. Shes a Mezzo or alto. Myke 05:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that's the definition of being a Mezz-Soprano.  A Mezzo-Soprano isn't a full soprano, but they can sing alto comfortably and soprano also.  Kelly is a Spinto Soprano, because her comfortable register is higher than Beyonce's, but Beyonce's vocal range is higher.  I would appreciate it if someone could help me find a source for the vocal profile.Jdot01 23:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Who keeps deleting the vocal profile?!

message: Maybe I missed it, but anyone know why she has at least 5 videos out right now?
The answer is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfp6H6IUSWM
They r to promote ha re-release of "B'day" and they were just sneak peaks that seemed full (cite: ) if u buy the actual cd u will see the full length videos. [[User:Dont mess wit me(Tay)|Push It Baby!! ..Dats Muh Song!!..=] (Tay)]] 19:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Videos

message: Some idiot put some bullshit that she was born in September 4, 1971 that iz not right somebody correct this birthdate
*User:Next Fiday
** Some other idiot put she was in an X-Rated Film in her filmography section in the year 2000 Tommy22028 15:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: tha Fuck

message: Can someone cite a source for her birthdate, several websites dispute her offical age. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Colossus34 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AGE CONTROVERSY

message: I'm no particullar fan of Beyoncé but I have done research on her and over and over again I've come across information that states the single release of a song called summer time from "The Fighting temptaions" soundtrack. i know the song doesnt have an official music video but that doesn't make it any less of a single. even Billboard.com documents this single in her discography. The article is here. I suggest an article should be made for the single. Ratizi1 00:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Summer time

message: y is this under the personal section?
In early 2007 Beyonce shattered the hearts of millions of fans by replacing her right hand with a hook. She said it helped her produce music because it gave her the inspiration needed. The accusations of Beyonce sleeping with monkeys that was started earlier in 2007 were not true, not entirely anyway, she slept with sheep instead. The neighbours said "we didnt think anything of the strange noises at night because Jay-Z acts and looks like a sheep anyway" they said. 71.114.1.28 02:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What the heck

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thread_title:  Agnez Dereon Article Up for Deletion 

message: Beyoncé's name is Beyoncé Giselle Knowles and unless someone has a trusted cite that proves ha middle name is "Chantelle" n' not "Giselle" nobody don be putttin dat back...>=| me + ma sis luv us sum Pretty Ricky!(wat waz dat?) 02:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle Name

message: There have been some disputes as to wether or not "Get Me Bodied" is a single so i did some research. i found a site (musicstack) that is an online store for vinyls and i don't know if i can properly add it as a source. Here it is. in my research i found out "Amor Gitano" was a single here along with "Lost Yo Mind/Creole" here and "What's It Gonna Be" here —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ratizi1 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unlisted Singles 

message: listen you guys need to stop changing beyonce's album sales okay if you look at 2003 in music they say that dangerously in love has sold 4.98 million in the united states and that was wrong cause according to billboard her album was certified 3x platinum in march of 2004 and then 4x platinum on july 2004 then 5x platinum in september 2004 go look at the billboard then it sold only 8 million world wide and you guys need to put her net worth that was estimated about $36 million! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bey-andte (talk • contribs) 15:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hey you guys 

message: KOL Style has a photo gallery of the Stages of Stardom of Beyonce. The gallery chronicles her style throughout her career
Link: http://kids.aol.com/style/star-style/stages-of-stardom/beyonce
KOLBronwyn 19:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beyonce Timeline Photo Gallery on KOL Style