Talk:History of Las Vegas

message: It reads: "There was a push to annex the Strip by the City of Las Vegas, but The Syndicate used the Clark County Commissioners to pull a legal maneuver by organizing the Las Vegas Strip properties into an unincorporated township..."  What syndicate?  Or more specifically, what is THE Syndicate of which this article speaks?  I think a citation needed is in order for this one. 98.221.133.96 (talk) 12:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Syndicate

message: I'd like to see an article about the PEPCON blast of 1988, if anyone has the time. It was one of the major events of Vegas' local history in the '80s, even though in the long run all it did was shatter a few thousand windows. I actually added a mention of it to the Henderson, Nevada article already, but I wasn't sure how best to fit it into this one. --4.246.3.1 00:37, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Las Vegas 

message: The article says:
:"On 3 April 1941, hotel owner...Three years later, on 30 October 1942."
Say what? Check dates & fix, somebody?  Trekphiler 06:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Math challenged

message: I deleted "Bugsy was probably skimming off the top". Unless somebody can substantiate it (& nothing I've heard does...)...  Trekphiler 06:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Opinionated

message: If I could cite a source (...), I'd mention mafioso Tony Cornero (né Antonio Stralla) founded The Green Meadows, the first truly hi-class casino in Vegas, after his gambling ship, Lily, was raided. (The Green Meadows later burned down.) Cornero started construction on The Stardust before a fatal heart attack 31 July 1955.  Trekphiler 06:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: moved to History of Las Vegas. —Darkwind (talk) 03:06, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Be that as it may, there's something to be said for consistency. While the city is at Las Vegas, the article detailing that city's history should be at History of Las Vegas. --BDD (talk) 16:03, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Vegas, you are the only person on Wikipedia who thinks Las Vegas has the wrong title. There are plenty of move requests to attest to that fact. Ego White Tray (talk) 16:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but this is partly a false argument.  London is the name of the government region, which equates to the administrative county of Greater London (God only knows why they cannot have the same name!).  The "square mile" is nearly always referred to as the City of London.  Skinsmoke (talk) 07:36, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

text: All of which ignores the fact that your counter examples are for areas that are incorporated. Those examples do not map to regions that are mostly not incorporated. It is like comparing apples to oranges.  Terminology in the latter is used based on the fact that most areas are not incorporated and hence the area terms have a much broader meaning then they would if everything was incorporated.  A clear case of other stuff not applying. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:25, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorporation says more about the politics of a region than what a city represents. Limiting the History of London to the tiny area that is actually legally called London is crazy. The incorporated area doesn't mean that London is tiny, it means that it has odd politics. Same with Vegas and its exclusion of the strip, which is mostly to do with casino owners desire for lower taxes and in no way makes it any less Vegasy than places in city limits. Ego White Tray (talk) 02:50, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You have this strong desire to ignore the situation as it exists.  The surrounding unincorporated area has done more for the name then then the city since at least the 40's when the strip started driving development in the valley.  It may have started in the 30's with the development of the Boulder Strip and Boulder City.  It you have a city and you normally deal with areas that are incorporated and enforce a strict naming convention, that model can not apply to unincorporated areas.  The fact that the city has higher taxes, does not mean that it is what drove the history of the valley.  In fact, that is probably a better case for minimizing the city.  And your logic for the city ignores the fact that there are about 10 communities that have the common name of Las Vegas.  As further proof, new GPSs no longer offer the city as the the first choice.  Instead they offer something called the Vegas Metro Area and then when you insert a street address offer the actual town, albeit wrong in most cases. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The situation as it exists is based on a very simple fact: A city is not a line on a map. It is buildings, it is roads, it is commerce, it is people. Lawmakers can draw the line where they want, but the Strip will always be Vegas. Ego White Tray (talk) 03:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are totally incorrect since the city is, by definition, a line on a map drawn by politicians for whatever purpose they wish.  The difference is that in some cases, a word is applied to a large area and also to a smaller city area.  Arguing that the strip is Vegas, simply points out that Las Vegas applies to much more then the city.  So unless the main article moves, it is inappropriate to move the history article which is about the valley.  In fact the focus, as you mention above, is more on the strip then it is on the city. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:12, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
== Gass and Nevada ==
The article currently makes an unsourced claim that Octavius D. Gass "used his position as a legislator to have the territory around his ranch included in Nevada instead of Arizona".  Having recently done some work on the Gass article, I can say with great certainty that Gass was not a supporter of his ranch becoming part of Nevada.  In fact he twice joined with Arizona politicians to sent protests to the U.S. Congress about the territorial change.  As the article's claim contradicts all sources I have seen dealing with the issue, I have tagged the line with . --Allen3 talk 14:11, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Sounds like someone defending the mob. I think we might say 'noted for their robust tactics'. Valetude (talk) 13:54, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

text: Agree, this article is due for some much needed research and at least second hand sourcing from books or the like. CR055H41RZ (talk) 12:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: =Mobbed up

message: How can there be no mention of Howard Hughes in this article? He went on a 100 million dollar shopping spree to clean out the mob.
I find the description of the Mormon influence and history to be heavy handed and inflammatory. - Hardly represents a "neutral" point of view.  Author has obvious axe to grind.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grundle2224 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Howard Hughes

message: While lengthy, Las Vegas's article is so short that the entire page layout is messy. Simplyianm (talk) 02:21, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge into Las Vegas

message: I edited a line from '1947–1963: postwar boom and organized crime' which said that Bugsy Seigel was being financed in-part by the 'Mormon church'.  Bugsy may have been financed by bankers who were Mormons, but the church was not financing him.  A significant difference.
Lonepeakgeek (talk) 14:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mormons 

message: The article currently makes an unsourced claim that Octavius D. Gass "used his position as a legislator to have the territory around his ranch included in Nevada instead of Arizona".  Having recently done some work on the Gass article, I can say with great certainty that Gass was not a supporter of his ranch becoming part of Nevada.  In fact he twice joined with Arizona politicians to sent protests to the U.S. Congress about the territorial change.  As the article's claim contradicts all sources I have seen dealing with the issue, I have tagged the line with . --Allen3 talk 14:11, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gass and Nevada 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Las Vegas]] 

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message: ...local police and Clark County Sheriff deputies were notorious for their heavy-handed tactics toward mobsters who "grew too big for their pants".
:Sounds like someone defending the mob. I think we might say 'noted for their robust tactics'. Valetude (talk) 13:54, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: How is this article missing so much information? Why is nearly everything unreferenced? There's no mention of Las Vegas being called the Mississippi of the West, for which it was famous, in reference to its historical appellation as a segregated city. No mention of the 5th Dimension or Lola Falana Stevenmitchell (talk) 22:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, this article is due for some much needed research and at least second hand sourcing from books or the like. CR055H41RZ (talk) 12:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is Woefully Incomplete 

message: para 1: The settlement of Las Vegas, Nevada was founded in 1905......."
para 2: "The name Las Vegas was given to the city in 1829 ..."
In para 2, I've changed city to area, which is entirely more accurate. 2600:1700:EA01:1090:2DF9:38C9:E6DD:A69F (talk) 04:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  inconsistent dates... 

message: The city has a hockey team that won the Stanley Cup in 2023. 24.120.55.2 (talk) 18:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegas Knights