Talk:List of Holocaust survivors

message: For a June 2005 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of famous Holocaust survivors
:This should be moved to Article Milestones, somehow. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 00:35, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Past deletion debate

message: I thought I read that Abraham Foxman (current president of the Anti-Defamation League, ADL) was a Holocaust survivor. That he was secreted away from his Jewish family as a young child (infant?) and baptized, raised Roman Catholic, and then later re-embraced his Jewish heritage sometime after the war. Would he count?
:I was just on Foxman's page, and he is referred to there as a holocaust survivor. I don't know if he is, however, which is why I searched for "holocaust survivor" to find out its meaning. I could only find this page, and it doesn't provide a set of criteria of who should or shouldn't be listed. - Matthew238 (talk) 13:28, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abraham Foxman? 

message: Born 1926 in Chrzanów, Poland. Died December 11, 2018, Hillsboro Oregon. His father was murdered September 11,1939 by German soldiers. He was an orphan at 13 because his mother died when he was young. He was forbidden to go to school, walk in certain streets, pray in a house of worship, and he had to bow to passing Germans. At 14 the Germans deported his older brother to a camp. At 15 he was deported to Blechhammer. He survived 5 different concentration camps they were: Blechhammer, Brande, Gross-Maslowitz, Kletendorf, and Waldenburg over the course of three yrs. He was liberated by the Russian army at age 18, he weighed 80 pounds. Currently lives in Portland, Oregon, USA. Wrote "From a Name to a Number".  Often gives talks on the Holocaust.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.196.194 (talk) 04:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Alter Wiener

message: Why is she on this list? I have great respect for her - but as far as I know she were never interned by the Nazi regime. She got away to the US, and I find it a bit strange to find her here. Ulflarsen 23:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the definitions on the top of the page, anyone who was alive during WWII and was a Jew is automatically labeled as a survivor. I find the notion to be utterly ridiculous (since Nazi policy was focused on purging any non-aryan races, that would make 90% or so of the world (note: the preceding statement is a bit sarcastic, so don't take the 90% figure at face value)) a "Holocaust survivor", but whatever. 189.146.98.49 (talk) 13:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hanna Arendt? 

message: Why they survived?
* Roman Haubenstock-Ramati(:de:Roman Haubenstock-Ramati) --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 14:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why survived 

message: * Ernest Mandel
* Günther Weisenborn (:de:Günther Weisenborn)
* Wolf Krakowski
* Robert Lee Morris
: --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 05:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listed in? 

message: It's probably tme to introduce some more structure into this article. Better to organize the entries by nationality, or by occupation. I guess the choice should be the same as in List of Holocaust victims, which currently has both. Karol 06:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure 

message: Is there a list which shows the location of survivors?  I read an article that claimed there were/are more in the US and UK than Israel.  Is this true? 86.17.246.75 00:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of survivors 

message: ... the social democrat (SPD) was imprisoned in 1933 ("Schutzhaft"), had to spend some time in a concentration camp, then a regular prison, was released half a year later when he promised to discontinue his political activities, which was long before any concentration camps became extermination camps. He was imprisoned again in 1944 after the July 20 Plot, then was released a few days later as he had nothing to do with it. Not trying to be nitpicking or anything, but technically he's not a holocaust survivor, but a concentration camp survivor (there's a category for that) --Inza 02:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Paul Löbe]] 

message: This list should be cleaned up thouroughly, and orginized in the same way as List of victims of Nazism. Karol 12:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even worse, this list may make it seem that some people are more "important" than others. I find the whole thing a bit nauseating. 189.146.98.49 (talk) 13:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia has some definitions of Notable people. They are not called Famous people. See WP:Notability. The standard for lists generally is that there must be an article written about them first. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not quite correct.  There need not be an article written about the person.  The criterion mentioned is the criterion for an article, not for an entry on a list.  For a list, it is sufficient -- as an alternative -- if the names have appropriate refs.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup? 

message: Can someone please clean this article of the vulgarity?  I am unsure of how to do so.  Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eeedlef (talk • contribs) 01:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: These people dont have a wiki page and dont have a reference that atleast says that they are a holocaust survivor. I have took them off the list for know. add a reference next to one of the following below if you have found a source and I will determine.--Nick Ornstein (talk) 12:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: To delete several people on list

message: Jozef Kowalski was held in a concentration camp in World War II. He is 109 years old, born in Poland on 2 February 1900. He is a Polish-Soviet War veteran.
If you go to List of surviving veterans of World War I, under World War I-era veterans, in the notes column it says: Held in concentration camp.
So...should we add him to this list under the military category?--Nick Ornstein (talk) 19:49, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New Holocaust survivor?

message: ... doesn't lead to a page. This needs follow-up. -- Deborahjay (talk) 10:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki link to Italian WP 

message: Several people (Leopold Pfefferberg, Simon Wiesenthal, Adam Kozłowiecki) were listed as born in Italy, contradicting their biographies.  Good faith errors maybe?  I haven't got the time or expertise to check the whole list but there might be more such mistakes. Lfh (talk) 15:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Austria-Hungarian Empire used to be it's own country, but some time ago, it broke apart and became a part of different countries. Just see the countries in the infobox that are now the original Austria-Hungary. --Nick Ornstein (talk) 20:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong (?) places of birth 

message: **http://judaism.about.com/od/holocaust/ss/ausch_tour_10.htm
*Name:Eliezer Hauser Shimoni
*Born: Israel?
*Info: Survived Auschwitz and Death March. Founding member of Israeli agricultural settlement (moshav).
Zvonimir Vidas born 1929 death 1996, Croatian  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.141.232 (talk) 22:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: New well known survivor?

message: An issue for discussion: should we also include people who survived concentration camps set up by other Axis powers in Europe? For example, the Jasenovac concentration camp was set up an run solely by the Independent State of Croatia and not by Nazi Germany; the same goes for Italian concentration camps of Rab and Gonars, set up for Yugoslav civilians. I think survivors of the first one should be included, as Jesenovac functioned just as Nazi camps, but I'm not sure about the Italian ones: they were not extermination camps, and nobody was sent there for the sole reason of belonging to a certain ethnic, religious etc. group; the inmates were either "political prisoners" (in a very broad sense of anybody who either opposed or was thought to oppose Fascist policies), and civilians who were interned as part of the fight against partisan resistance. The condition in both camps (especially in Rab) were appalling and thousands of inmates died (an approximate 20% death rate): but the question is if we should include the survivors of these camps in the list of Holocaust victims. What do you guys think? Best, Viator slovenicus (talk) 01:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian, Croatian concentration camp survivors as well?

message: Why have flags when some of these countries were not nation-states during the war (Ukraine) and others had an entirely different flag at that time? Flags add nothing to the list, so without objection, I shall remove them. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 22:35, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thank you, Straddie, I appreciate your comment. The Holocaust is fraught with sensitivities, so I believe I will wait for more comments. After all, somebody took the time to add the flags, so I don't want to be too quick. Nevertheless, if no other comment comes up, I will follow your suggestion. Or somebody will. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:15, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the flags are gone. It makes the page look less festive, which is a Good Thing. Also I deleted the non-Notable people, and I hope those who are interested in them will see fit to write articles and put them back in this list. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:09, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: George -- you deleted a number of names that, though they did not have articles (which they are not required to have, contrary to your assertion), had refs.  Which suffices.  I therefore reverted.  If you deleted any more that I did not catch, please restore them as well.  As you made 12 revisions seriatum, it was difficult to follow.  Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:35, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You can see from the diff since my vandalism revert, here, that only flags have now been removed or changed to country names. Mark Hurd (talk) 16:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  I have no strong feeling as to the flags.  I recognize that policy may well be not to have them, and widespread practice throughout the Project may well be the opposite.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

text: That's not policy at all.  Did you simply make that up?  The policy is stated quite clearly at WP:LISTPEOPLE.  It states: "A person may be included in a list of people if  ... The person meets the Wikipedia notability requirement.... If a person in a list does not have an article in Wikipedia about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to establish their membership in the list's group and to establish their notability...."--Epeefleche (talk) 02:21, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why flags?; Deletion of names for which refs are supplied (though no article written)

message: I feel the title is a drop misleading, if not overly vague. My maternal grandparents are both Holocaust survivors, so I have nothing against the article itself. That being said, however, I feel it would be more appropriate to name the article "List of notable Holocaust survivors." Any thoughts? KirkCliff2 (talk) 11:44, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: Can someone look at editing the definition -  "initiated by Adolf Hitler and carried out by his followers of the Nazi regime, in order to terrorize and persecute Jews to their deaths" is too colloquial, vague and POV.Royalcourtier (talk) 04:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

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message: Business is no less important than the categories already included. There should be a section of Holocaust survivors who became prominent businesspersons. Nicmart (talk) 22:19, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Business leaders 

message: A friend of a friend told me of an interesting case and I am wondering whether this person, who was Jewish, would be considered a Holocaust survivor. When war broke out on September 1, 1939, the ship he was on went to England. The same situation also applied to most of the Polish Navy in Operation Peking, in addition to any Jewish pilots in the Polish air force. I hope this is not seen as too much of a forum-type question because it pertains to the definition of "Holocaust survivor." Is a person considered a survivor if they left Poland at the very beginning of the war? Roches (talk) 07:41, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question about an interesting case: a Polish merchant mariner 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Star_(novel)
this other article has some info, not sure if the survivors in it should be added.
Daisy134 (talk) 19:23, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some more people to add? 

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message: I couldn't find a reliable source for Saul Hoüben, so I have moved his entry here. He was in the music section. Hopefully someone else can find documentation. Leschnei (talk) 14:25, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: Delete the names of deceased survivors and keep only the names and details of currently living Holocaust survivors
:oppose they are holocaust survivors, always worth being mentioned. If you argue to split the list: this is not really necessary, since it will not grow any more.Nillurcheier (talk) 15:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Converting article into Living Holocaust Survivors 

message: I have removed several red linked names with no sources, or whose only source was a youtube video about them speaking at a school. There were millions of holocaust survivors, so we have to be diligent about article bloat. Bkatcher (talk) 16:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced or non notable 

message: Vladimir Munk, Czech microbiologist, educator. Achievements include patents in field. Recipient State prize, Czechoslovak Government, 1968, Chancellor's award, State University of New York, 1981; grant, Chase Chemical Company, 1970. Member of American Society Microbiology. 2601:547:C401:AC0:848:FD51:BA0C:267B (talk) 22:45, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  https://prabook.com/web/vladimir.munk/645772