Talk:Fez (hat)

message: Text is inconsistent - one line claims Greek origin, the next line says Turkish. I've no Idea which, but it ain't both.
::So true.  These hats are in so many Italian paintings from at least the 12th century onward, I want proof/citation that Greek islands and Turks had the fez before the 12th century.  Article clearly has confused the adopting of the hat in the Ottoman Empire with its origin.  It's still popular in Italy until the 16th century at least.  Visit the Louvre for more on this topic.  Lead should at least mention its incredible popular among Italian nobles prior to the Ottoman Empire adopting it.--LeValley 04:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Early discussions

message: Why is the fez often used in pop culture (e.g. Goofy and Ren Hoek wearing them) to denote relaxation? --Abdull 21:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fez in pop culture 

message: You Mean like in Doctor Who? Such as #SaveTheDay David Tennant http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/f7/0a/3ef70ab8595c0ee384474c9750cdf845.jpg
1963 https://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/p00v27md.jpg William Hartnell
2013 https://kitchenoverlord.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/doctor-who-fez.png Matt Smith
Alex Kingston http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/files/2015/06/AlexKingston.jpg
--Timelord2067 (talk) 01:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Who 

message: I prefer the German method of naming the Fez:  :de:Fes (Kopfbedeckung).  That translates Fez (headgear).  That's my suggestion for the move.   GilliamJF 03:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: There is a picture of a man sporting a fez on this page. I noticed the same picture on the page for "Bedouin." The captions seem to differ on the nationality of the young man. Which needs to be fixed? I'd infer the man was probably Moroccan.
:I notcied the same, and followed the "fez" link from the Bedouin descriptor over here. Dunno where the model is from, but he's cute! (I apologize for the inappropriate comment) Scix 22:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He reminds me of my friend =) -- WiiVolve 13:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: The article at one point starts using the word "checheya" without saying what it is.  Could someone please add an explanation?  --LakeHMM 04:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is supposed to be Chechnya. -- WiiVolve 16:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: EDIT: I found the original source of that paragraph. Apparently, the real website uses the same word. See: http://www.tarboosh.com/aboutWord.php. -- WiiVolve 16:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "checheya" 

message: Hi, jst looking at the third picture 'An old-fashioned Hyderabadi Muslim gentleman wearing an everyday sherwani and fez hat'. This guy is not wearing anything on his head. Following the picture it looks like there is some picture vandalism. The original picture is 
 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/8/81/20051212174328%21Sherwani.jpg
I am not too sure how to fix this, because I am not too familiar with the handling of pictures in wikipedia. Can somebody take care of this ? 137.132.3.11 12:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture vandalism? 

message: The origin of fez is the city Fes, Morocco as the Turkish Official Dictionary, Online Etymology dictionary and Nişanyan's etmyologic dictionary said.
Ruzgar 01:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek origin? 

message: Until the 19th century it was the only source of Fez hats (also known as the tarboosh), before they began to be manufactured in France and Turkey; originally, the dye for the hats came from a berry that was grown outside the city, known as the Turkish kizziljiek or Greek akenia (Cornus mascula).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omansouri (talk • contribs) 05:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Most probably you are wrong. In any case, please provide the printed source of your statements. Please review the basic wikipedia policies about article content in wikipedia:Attribution. Mukadderat (talk) 02:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The hats may not be from Morocco originally, the word for them is. At least any etymological dictionary refers to the city of Fez. For some reason the etymology of tarboosh is given in this article, but the etymology of fez is not. That's a bit strange. Fransvannes (talk) 11:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fez is from Fez city in Morocco. How can you make such huge mistake ? 

message: Your references : no on can check them
The form is not really the same and I have one question : Why turkish called this hat Fez ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.238.127.175 (talk) 06:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Yes I agree the fez comes from Fez (Morroco) where it'a made until today 

message: Why does the second picture have a caption saying the man is from Morocco? The picture description implies he's from Israel.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.96.46 (talk) 23:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture caption 

message: This article is specifically about the fez, not about all brimless, more or less cylindrical or conical hats.  The fez has a specific historical context, in particular, as headgear promulgated by Mahmut II in the 1820/30s.  That headgear had its origins in North Africa (according to Reliable Sources).  It would be interesting to learn more (from Reliable Sources) about its history in North Africa.  Just noting that it looks like some hat in an ancient Assyrian frieze, or (even more vaguely) like the hat Mussolini wore, is not helpful.  There needs to be some documented connection. --Macrakis (talk) 03:35, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: the word طربوش is used in all Arabic dialects not only in egyptian !! so don't write "egyptian arbic"
sorry for my bad English i hope you understand what i mean  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.192.211.85 (talk) 23:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  egyptian arbic 

message: This page seems to become a picture gallery for men wearing a fez. There are 6 essentially identical pictures. Why? I'm taking down one of the most irrelevant.Nickrz (talk) 20:55, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many Images 

message: I have seen a man, among a group of Arabic-speaking people, wearing a red fez which, together with its black tassel, was apparently made of knitted wool rather than felt.  Perhaps this is worn in winter in Muslim countries.  Personal observations are not reliable sources, but such may exist for on knitted fezzes. Barney Bruchstein (talk) 11:31, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knitted Woolen Fezzes 

message: As of 2017-04-12 the section on "History" includes, "Because the area is defensible it has been occupied since Roman times, although the modern Islamic city [of Fez] was created by invading Muslims from two opposing settlements around 818 ACE."
What's ACE in this context?  
The article on Fez, Morocco says, "Arab emigration to Fez, including 800 Andalusi families of Berber descent in 817–818 expelled after a rebellion against the Umayyads of Córdoba, Andalusia, ... gave the city its Arabic character."  From the context, it's clear that this was 818 CE or AD.  
I found one other use of ACE associated with a date that clearly refers to CE and only one use of AD.  I'll change both ACE and AD to CE for consistency.  If someone knows better, I trust they will take appropriate action.  DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:12, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's ACE? 

message: "Besides ṭarbūsh, the fez can also be defined in Arabic shashia (i)stanbuli."2600:1700:E1C0:F340:E5BC:ADD9:A126:1722 (talk) 20:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence that is incomprehensible 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: Per this photo, the Tarbush was still being used in the region as late as 1947. Onceinawhile (talk) 23:13, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Fez in the Levant 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Fez, Morocco which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 19:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: The Algerian claim by Ekrem Buğra Ekinci is WP:EXTRAORDINARY, so I tagged it for now. Some the thing to consider while investigating this (I will repeat what I said above about the Chechia):
* In the Maghreb, home of a similar looking hat that was made locally (the Chechia), the Tarboosh was for obvious reasons known as "Chechia Stambouli". This is no different for Morocco where the Tarboosh/Fez was usually imported from Europe.
* Evliya Çelebi didn't visit Algeria and I couldn't find any mention of Algerians in his book. Admittedly, I haven't read all of it.
* The only link between the Tarboosh and North Africa that has been historically documented is with Tunisia (which has a long tradition of making Chechias). It's from there that the Turks and the Egyptians started to import their fezzes before setting up factories with the help of the Tunisians.
* Of all the known old depictions of North Africans throughout the centuries, not a single one shows men wearing the Tarboosh (contrary to the Chechia). M.Bitton (talk) 23:24, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: what you write is OR. Not that it matter but Evliya Celebi did indeed visit Algeria. Wikipedia is not for such OR. A reputed scholar states that the Fez is not of Greek origin therefore you have no right to remove this source. Hsjalizs (talk) 00:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) The OR policy does not apply to talk pages and the only editor here who violated the OR policy is you (see main discussion above). 2) Evliya Çelebi did not visit Algeria, he said so himself in his book. 3) This section was created separately from the above to address the DUBIOUS tag, so unless you have anything to say about any of the points that I raised, I suggest you refrain from cluttering it. M.Bitton (talk) 23:46, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading primary sources like Evliya Celebi and making your own conclusions is OR and against WP:Primary Sources policies. The reputable historian Erkek is a secondary source and verifiable unlike your OR. Hsjalizs (talk) 03:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What part of what I wrote are don't you understand? M.Bitton (talk) 13:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Algerian claim

message: Nobody is questioning the painting, however the caption is 100% baseless original research and like I said, there is a difference between the Chechia (which was worn by the North Africans for centuries) and the Tarboosh (which was a later introduction and in the case of Morocco, imported from abroad). M.Bitton (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 2022 

message: Can someone tell me in which book Evliya Çelebi wrote that Algerian men wore red fezzes? 158.148.9.50 (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evliya Çelebi historical account 

message: The fez was largely popularized in the United States by African Americans of the organization Moorish Science Temple of America. Members still wear the fez and this religious organization (not a fraternal org) should be mentioned in this article as well Sheik Way-El 20:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moorish Science Temple of America  

message: I'll repeat here what I said in the edit summary: how much coverage some content get in the article's body tend to decide how much weight (if any) it will get in the lead. Please read WP:LEAD and stop edit warring.
 That's your job (using reliable sources instead of a blog) seeing as you're the one who's insisting on giving WP:UNDUE weight to something that appears to be loosely related to the primary topic (though, even that needs to be substantiated).
Please note that you are re-adding the same content that you added previously and which was subsequently reverted back in August (for a reason). M.Bitton (talk) 02:57, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  December 2023 

message: what makes you think that your addition improves the article?
 you added irrelevant images to the lead section of the article. Please read WP:IUP and MOS:LEAD. M.Bitton (talk) 11:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  March 2024