Talk:Olympic Games/Archive 1

message: quote: "In 1936, the British Government asked London to withdraw its bid to host the 1940 Olympics so that Tokyo could win this honour. This was done to promote Anglo-Japanese friendship at a critical time in British imperial history. London and the British Olympic Association agreed, and Tokyo got the bid. These Games were subsequently cancelled."
... it is possible that London withdrew its bid, because the British Government asked for it, but that doesn't mean, that this is the reason that Tokyo got them - maybe London would have had lost against Tokyo if it had bid...
Citius Altius Fortius 19:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics 

message: At 15:52, 2004 Aug 19 I reverted a list of Locations of Olympic Games because it was alredy included in Summer Olympic Games. At 15:56, 2004 Aug 19 User:62.189.12.209 reverted it back saying that «This is a combined list, so is a useful addition».
I will noy reverse it again because I can now see some of its merits: It is a combined list as User:62.189.12.209 stated and, most of all, it is IMO much better organized than the one in Winter Olympic Games.
I still don't like having similar lists but have no better solution, by now, than keeping both, maybe you do...
As it is a further reading topic maybe it should be moved closer to Related topics. I propose a sequence of: 10. Locations of Olympic Games, 11. Related topics and 12. References --Nabla 16:40, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)
:Well... I just found out that my intuition on keep it to avoid a conflict is a policy: Wikipedia:Abundance and redundancy. Nice, let's move on!--Nabla 16:53, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)
Fair enough (sorry for the delay in replying). I prefer what you did with the war years, too.
* I've taken the liberty of removing the list, and replacing it with the Olympic footer template. I think the list is too long (and ugly, too) for this article. The locations themselves are not vital here, and the detailled information is in the Summer and Winter Games articles. The current footer still provides quick links to all the celebrations. Jeronimo 20:46, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Jeronimo, I certainly understand your concern, and I do believe that the list caould be aesthetically improved. However, this is the major "portal" for olympic information in Wikipedia and the footer, though very useful (it remains), is not enough as reference. A student who comes to this page must readily know what games were hosted in, say, Los Angeles or Lake Placid, with no need of browsing further and further. --McCorrection 16:36, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locations of Olympic Games 

message: As I understand it, Vesuvius was the reason given. It may be that the financial problems were really caused by something else, but unless absolutely certain, I'd rather reserve this for London 1908. Aliter 08:14, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rome 1908 

message: I don't care for this table, nor do I think highly of the way it was introduced. However, for the sake of giving it our best shot, I'll note some things that one might look in to:
* There are no such things as Host Countries; adding the name of the country to that of the city is merely a way to distinguish it from similar named cities elsewhere.
**According to the latest revision of the Olympic Charter: All sports must take place in the host city of the Olympic Games, unless it obtains from the IOC the right to organize certain events in other cities or in sites situated in the same country.For the Olympic Winter Games, when for geographical or topographical reasons it is impossible to organize certain events or disciplines of a sport in the country of the host city, the IOC may, on an exceptional basis, authorize the holding of these in a bordering country. Is it clear enough now, that mentioning the country is not only a way to distinguish it (host city) from similar named cities elsewhere? But the IOC "is not the office" for Olympics, isn't it? Cmapm 17:46, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One more strange thing for the featured article: for US and Canada the state or province is mentioned, for other countries is not. Why? Because they held the Games more than once? Why then Australian adm.unit is not mentioned (Australia held the Games more than once too)? Because there are other cities with similar names? But firstly: this is true for e.g. Moscow (there are two Moscows: in Moscow Oblast, Russia and in Mari El, Russia); secondly, all wikilinks point to right cities. Cmapm 17:46, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the American convention: giving city,state for US cities and city,country for "foreign" cities.  I don't like this, but didn't want to delete it unilaterally.  See also Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28city_names%29#United_States_and_Canada for related bickering. Joestynes 04:27, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of host cities 

message: Either we say both side did this because of <whatever reason they gave> or we say both argued <whatever reason they gave>. We can't describe the one as fact, and the other as just an argument. Aliter 22:43, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree, although I consider it as a minor flaw. Therefore, if you change it, I personally will not protest, for sure. Cmapm 11:52, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV for Boycott 

message: The goose article is getting fat. What do we do to slim it? Aliter 14:54, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diet 

message: By whom Ray Ewry is considered to be the most successfull? At least not by the IOC (it states, that he won just 8 gold medals, see ). Intercalated Games, where he won other 2 medals even aren't included in subsequent count, when counting Summer Olympics since 1896. They are even not mentioned on the main page of the IOC website . The most successful athletes by gold medal count IOC considers four ones with 9 gold medals, and if considered not only gold medals, but also silver and bronze medals, the most successfull is definitely Larisa Latynina with 18 medals . 
To summarize, the main article should be corrected. Four athletes with 9 gold medals should be on top. In the remarks section could be mentioned, that Ray Ewry won also 2 gold medals in Intercalated Games. The only photo with "may be considered most successful athlete" should be removed or at least it's caption appropriately edited. 
Sorry, I have no time to do it myself now. But when I have one and nobody will have done appropriate changes before, I'll do them for sure. Cmapm 18:16, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What you say is we have now: The table of athletes gives Ewry as winning 10 titles, but has a note that not counting the intercalated games would move him to the 10th spot. On the page on the Summer Olympic Games you'll find the IOC currently doesn't see those as official, while most historians do. (I agree this is a bit hidden; that could probably be improved upon.) We sided somewhat with most historians, yet we didn't contradict the viewpoint of the IOC. The image caption does not read "With 10 Olympic titles, Ray Ewry is the most successful Olympic athlete in history.". To me, it's al fairly NPOV. Aliter 01:03, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, read what I wrote attentively: what I proposed, you haven't now. I'll say more exactly, if it's not clear yet:I proposed to place Ray Ewry in the end of the table with 8 gold medals, officially recognized by the IOC (and other "purists" ) and write in the remarks section, that he also earned 2 gold medals on the Intercalated Games. What "most historians" you are speaking about, sources, please? I've found only two POVs: that of the IOC (official) and that of the Guinness Book of World Records (unofficial, it also, at least its 1988 edition, places Leonidas from Rodos with 12 wins between 164 BC and 152 BC on top, should we do it here?), but I don't believe, that GBWR should be considered serious historians, rather IOC should be. But even if most historians should say so, there should be two POVs: of the most historians and of the IOC. In this article prevails a POV of unsourced and abstract "most historians", and the POV of IOC is considered minor - mentioned only in the remarks section. You said: We sided somewhat with most historians, yet we didn't contradict the viewpoint of the IOC. But contradiction is not the point! The point is: one POV (of GBWR as well as unsourced and abstract "most historians") is placed on top of the table and in the caption of the photo and the other (official, of the IOC, which is not incompetent and is not abstract, POV), is placed into the remarks section. So, one POV prevails and the section is not NPOV. Another question:who are those "we", do you mean that "we are many and you are alone"? But even if it would be so, my POV, like that of previous editor(s) also has a right to be reflected in the article. I think that even the main topic of the section:"the most successful athlete" is always non-NPOV item. E.g. in my POV (and not only my, I suppose), the most successive athlete is who won most total number of medals, so, corresponding table should also be there to reflect my POV. Cmapm 02:31, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Once I'm being told I'm not listening/reading well, I tend to give up on a discussion. Is there someone else to react to this? Aliter 17:15, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The most successful athletes 

message: I expected to find at least something on Sportsmanship here! This links to Sportsmanship not even once, Sportsmanship is hardly noted at all even though the Olympic Games, one of the things it preaches is that it teaches or develops or whatever-- sportsmanship. This is unsufficient.Dwarf Kirlston 20:27, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sportsmanship

message: Where would I find a list of countries that currently participate in the olympic games?
:Try List of IOC country codes.  As a general tip, clicking a link from the "Categories" bit of the page (Olympics in this case) will bring you a list of related pages and subcategories. Joestynes 04:43, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympic nations? 

message: I heard there is only a certain way you can qualify to participate in the olympics, but the whole elimination/qualification process is not mentioned in the article. 
: The qualification process varies widely from sport to sport and from year to year.  Check the individual "SPORT at YEAR Summer Olympics" to find qualification criteria, if we have it.  Note that it can be somewhat difficult to find the criteria for earlier Games, so a lot of sports and years might not have anything. -- Jonel 14:29, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qualification 

message: Following requests,  is about to support IOC country codes (at present the information for a newly used country will have to be created manually).  At the moment links are created to the 2004 Games pages: . produces: . In the process I noticed that national Olympic coverage in articles is scattered.  I suggest that a page for each nation be created, with summary information for each nation's Olympic participation.  The format should include a summary near the top of activities related to recent (past or future) Olympics.  Perhaps follow a pattern such as Country_at_the_Olympics, Country_(Olympics), or Olympics/Country.  I note 2004_Summer_Olympics#Nations, :Category:Nations_at_the_Olympics, :Category:Nations at the Summer Olympics. (SEWilco 05:36, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Olympic pages 

message: The above discussion wandered off, following after the flags.  Any opinions about an Olympic page for each country?  (SEWilco 04:06, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  National pages 

message: Templates ,, , and  now exist.
* :  — For general national references; links to the nation's page for a recent Games (at present only Summer Games).
* :  — Links to nation's 2000 Games page.
* :  — Links to 2002 Winter Olympics page.
* :  — Links to nation's 2004 Games page.
To create the entry for a new country, call the template with the proper IOC code.  Click PREVIEW and the template reference will have one or two undefined links.  The first is for the flag, right-click on it, open in new page/tab and enter the name of the flag file (ie, "us_flag_large.png").  The second is for the country name, right-click on it, open in new page/tab and enter the name of the country's Olympics page (ie, "United States"). (SEWilco 01:20, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag templates 

message: There now is another way to edit flag template information, as shown in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Flag_Template#Editing_flag_description.  It is not yet set up for IOC years, only the current countries.  (SEWilco 09:03, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag template editing 

message: I don't know why somebody just delete links to overviewtables, which somebody made?
Citius Altius Fortius 13:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also 

message: copied this article!!
: Worldhistory.com is mirroring our content, and has appropriately cited Wikipedia and included a notice that the article is under GFDL.  They are not only allowed to do this, but we like them to!  This is the free (as in speech) encyclopedia, after all. — Jonel | Speak 21:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  copy cat alert 

message: In the table of host cities, previously the host city of the 1956 Summer Olympics and the 2008 Summer Olympics were displayed as "Melbourne + Stockholm" and "Beijing + Hong Kong". I find this quite misleading. Readers may believe that Stockholm and Hong Kong are in equal billing as Melbourne and Beijing, in some sort of co-hosting arrangement. The fact is that they just host the equestrian events. Actually other events, such as football, sailing and skiing are often held "outside" the host cities. So I've moved those cities as footnotes. Chanheigeorge 22:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stockholm, Hong Kong deserve equal billing? 

message: Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?
see Cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Great_Britain_at_the_Olympics_to_Category:Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_at_the_Olympics
--Mais oui! 22:18, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the correct name of the UK's Olympic team? 

message: Substituted at 21:49, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment