Talk:Gotra

message: This person has removed some portions of the article on the grounds that he never heard about it. I wonder whether such behaviour is accepted. Instead he should start a discussion about it to clear the doubts or atleast give proper reasons for deleting it. 
Manjunatha (22 Oct 2005)
I disgree with you vehemently on uncle-niece marriages. It is not vandalism where you state a blatantly broad statement as making uncle-niece marriages acceptable.
I did. Incest is forbidden in Hindu society, as with all societies. This a general article on gotra, not on the 1% who practice incest. I agree with you that what constitutes closeness is an issue of dispute.
In Smarta brahmin communities where gotra is also passed from father to son, no uncle-niece marriage occurs. So the statement does not make sense.
Please designate what community follows this practice and write accordingly.
I agree with you about marriage between cross-cousins. Thus, a man may marry his mother's brother's daughter but not marry his father's brother's daughter. A father's brother's daughter is treated as a sister.
Raj2004 19:09, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The exceptions among Brahmin community who form just 3-4% of South Indian population doesn't say much. Does it? However, I would agree there might be exceptions in non-brahmin communities also. I'm talking about the general trend here as it's applicable to Gotra since in patriarchical gotra inheritance, uncle and niece would always be of different gotras. For my 'all' to become POV then some particular caste, say all Brahmins, didn't have this system. And this was never the case. Yes, this system was not part of coastal Karnataka which is a majorly Tulu and Konkani speaking region also with Kannada Brahmin communities. These Brahmins didn't have this system(I suppose, the Koota Brahmins that you mentioned are Kota Brahmins of Kundapura). I belong to that region. By the way, if my arguments are defensive, your 'unheard' knowledge will prevail. Your logic of uncle being 30years and niece being 25 years is really illuminating. Thanks for that.
Manjunatha (24 Oct 2005)
When you deleted the parts of the article, I tried to open a discussion at your talk page.
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But without any reason, you deleted that also. When I wanted to talk, you had the arrogancy(which is very evident the reason you gave for deleting those parts) to dismiss it. So I suppose my words were caustic because of that. Anyway, I apologise for being so harsh.
Manjunatha (24 Oct 2005)
No problem. When I mean Kota, yes I mean Kota Brahmins. 
Thanks. I didn't mean to be arrogant but I don't think you should characterize a trend in some communities to be a general trend.
Raj2004 10:15, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncle-Niece Marriage Dispute with Raj2004

message: Somebody, excluded Vishwamitra from list of Saptarishis and added Agastya instead. Come on, give the chap his due for all the trouble he had taken to achieve that position. I suppose even when Brahma accepted him as a Brahmrshi during that time, people, please don't be so unfair in this supposed to be liberal and rational era.
Also, there are many views that Vasishta and Agastya might have had non-brahmin origins. However, I don't question Vasishta's claim to be a true-brahmin because of his deeds(Vishwamitra would vouch for that). But I suppose the controversy must be refelcted in the article.
--Manjunatha (22 Oct 2005)
Actually, Vishwamitra was NOT a Saptarishi - I was the one who made the edit (though Agastya is not my work). He was a Bramha Rishi, but not a Saptarishi. The Saptarishis are Atri, Brighu, Kutsya, Vasishta, Gautama, Kashyapa and Angirasa. Remember your Sandya Vandanam?
I think the smart thing to do is to just leave it as "eight Rishis", and mention the Saptarishis as being difficult to enumerate, as I've done now.
--shash 08:16, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Saptarishis

message: The article is good and discussion has good material on 'Uncle - Niece'.
Can anyone tell how many gotras are there? My guess is that it should be 70 odd.
There are only 7 main gothras. If there are others, then i am unaware. I dont know of any subdivision in the main gothras. Not heard of it.
Ganesh Nayak U 14:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many gotras are there? 

message: In south india uncle neice marriage is not comnsidered to be incest as south indians give pinda only to their fathers.thus it does not fall into this category of sapinda.GOTRA NOT ONLY BELONGS TO BRAHMINS BUT TO ALL THE FOUR VARNAS.IF UR IGNORANT SHUT UP!
I do not understand the source of the authors knowledge. He/she is absolutly ignorant of what he/she intended to put here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.29.129.16 (talk) 19:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ON INCEST AND GOTRAS

message: * It has been stated that Niyogi Brahmins are born of Niyoga, not matrimonial liason, and its false to an extent. Niyogi Brahmins of Andhra are those who does the administration jobs. 
Please correct this or let me correct that. I donot want to make any correction before informing the earlier editiors here.
* Uncle - Niece marriage: Its  a system prevalent in Andhra. 
**Here, girl can marry 
***Mother's brother
***Father's Sister's son
** A boy can marry
*** Mother's brother's daughter
*** Mother's Cousin who is a girl and younger in age
*** Niece who is sister's daughter
We have seen these type of marriages in our families. This is done so because, the Gotras will not clash. And Since the Gotra is patrilineal here, it would not be a problem. These do not come under incest. Any other marriage within the family is termed as Incest and not acceptable.
As such, these are customs that vary from state to state  or region to region within a state. We cannot find sources for these, except the ancient scriptures and most of the times its the pandits who give the final go. Some communities, irrespective of the caste/religion, treat elder sister in law as mother, where as there are instances in some communities where the younger son marries the Elder sister in law, when the elder son dies. 
All these are norms that we established for ourselves. 
I mentioned this here for info, not for inclusion in any article.
....కిరణ్మయి (talk)</strong> 23:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  some corrections required 

message: This article and Brahmin gotra system appear to be good candidates for a merge. Are there reasons to keep them separate? hgilbert (talk) 10:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Support: I don't think they need to be separate as the gotra system is common to all the clans and varnas, not just the Brahmins. The information about the Brahmins could be included in the Gotra article. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:01, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

text: "DO NOT SUPPORT": there are many gotras in the hindu religious system, all the gotras have some or the other different chatecteristics to be defined. So i do not support the need for a merger as brahmin gotra system (and some other gotra systems) in itself is so large they need to be defined more precisely.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.124.23.133 (talk) 04:06, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: How do you write 'gotra' in at least one Indian language, and how do you pronounce it? V85 (talk) 15:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling and pronounciation 

message: Come on, this has to be resolved!
#Gautama and 
#Bharadvāja, 
#Viśvāmitra and 
#Jamadagni, 
#Vashishtha and 
#Kaśhyapa and 
#Shandilya 
are seven sages (also known as Saptarishi); the progeny of these eight sages is declared to be gotras. This enumeration of eight primary gotras seems to have been known to Pāṇini. The offspring (apatya) of these eight are gotras
--Thnidu (talk) 04:49, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  7 = 8? 

message: This article is mostly gibberish and it is so poorly sourced that it is impossible to copyedit that state of affairs. I also think it is significantly inaccurate, eg: see Madan's views as summarised here, the info re: modern usage here  and various notes here. - Sitush (talk) 21:29, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gibberish