Talk:Climate Pledge Arena

message: I think the current image is better than the one that was previously in there (and which I removed) because: 1) It's centered right in the front of the arena, 2) It's up close, and 3) there are no other objects like cars or people in it. These are the two pics in question, the one I inserted is on the left. Feel free to comment. Quadzilla99 12:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:KeyArena logo.png

message: Anonymous user 66.194.72.243 added to Key Arena that the Seattle University Redhawks willing using the venue as of 2008. I have not found a reference for it. Can anyone verify or deny that? Flibirigit (talk) 20:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seattle University Redhawks 

message: No Way Out (2009) took place on February 15, 2009 at the KeyArena in Seattle, Washington. KingRaven (>$.$)> (talk) 06:43, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Way Out (2009) 

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message: This may be a dumb question, but would the arena be closed during the proposed redevelopment to accomodate an expansion NHL team in 2020 (and possibly a relocated or expansion NBA team as well)?  Also, is there a set time yet for when the reconstruction begins? Timothy Horrigan (talk) 16:12, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closed During Proposed Redevelopment? 

message: I added the NRHP infobox as a separate piece. It would IMO be an improvement if someone wanted to merge the Seattle City Landmark and NRHP info using the NRHP template, but I can't quite figure out how to do it.
Halmueller (talk) 08:38, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Register of Historic Places infobox 

message: In the "Relocation ..." section, do we know what the acronym "PBC" refers to?  It is not previously identified in the article, and is not a common knowledge one for me.  SquashEngineer (talk) 13:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It was hidden in an easter egg. I've unhidden it so Professional Basketball Club LLC is now visible. - BilCat (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology 

message: Climate Pledge Arena is basically an entirely new building built under the old arena's roof structure. I think it would make sense to cover each incarnation in a separate article. This has some precedence on Wikipedia, with Centennial Olympic Stadium/Turner Field/Georgia State Stadium, and Gator Bowl Stadium/TIAA Bank Field, where portions of the old structures were reused for the new ones. - BilCat (talk) 20:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with BilCat here and the two examples he used were what came to mind for me as well. In both cases, portions of the original stadium remained, so definitely precedent in establishing separate articles even when there are connections with actual structural elements like we have with this arena. From a practical standpoint, it would make both articles more manageable, particularly the tenant lists. A non-stadium/arena example of a building using a previous building's structure is the Provo City Center Temple, which uses the outer wall of the Provo Tabernacle. --JonRidinger (talk) 05:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

text: The histories for each "stage" of the structure would definitely be long enough to warrant separate articles. SounderBruce 07:00, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

text: I agree with this. The building that was KeyArena no longer exists, even if the roof has been repurposed. A similar argument could've been made about the '94-'95 renovation from the Coliseum to KeyArena, but those feel of a piece.  All of the KeyArena history doesn't really pertain to Climate Pledge Arena except for the site location. That can be referenced in the article and linked to a KeyArena page for further information. These should be separated. - Playhouse76 (talk) 23:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  KeyArena on a separate page 

message: To keep the tenant list manageable and easier to read, it's not necessary to break up tenancy years for a team that may have had to leave temporarily due to renovations, like the Sonics did in 1994-95, especially when their tenancy already includes an earlier break. They were still legal tenants, but did not play home games there for a season. Details can be mentioned in the text, which they are in this case. A break would be for teams that formally leave a facility (meaning they terminate a lease or don't renew) and then come back, such as the Sonics after they left the arena in 1978 and came back in 1985, the Oakland Raiders at the Oakland Coliseum, the Golden State Warriors at Oracle Arena, or the Cleveland Indians at Cleveland Stadium. This has actually been discussed in relation to the Toronto Blue Jays and Rogers Centre. The Blue Jays won't be playing games there at all during the 2020 season, but the tenant list shouldn't be "1989-2019, 2021-" since the change is clearly temporary and their legal status as tenants hasn't changed. "Tenant" usually means "plays all home games there" but it sometimes doesn't. Again, details about temporary moves can be explained in the text; the infobox isn't for those kinds of details. 
Additionally, "Future" should also be avoided, such as "2021-future". The precedent for future years is just "2021–" and many times "planned" is placed after. Ultimately, my hope is that KeyArena is made into a separate article. Also, the Template:Infobox venue doesn't use parentheses in the explanation for the tenant list. --JonRidinger (talk) 17:07, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that Key Arena should be made into a seperate article from this one. A good example to look at is Madison Square Garden. Like Climate Pledge/Key Arena, MSG's interior has been completely renovated twice while keeping the outer structure intact, and yet this is all covered in one article. - Richiekim (talk) 12:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but the MSG renovation didn't result in any disruptions for the Rangers or Knicks since it was done in phases during both teams' offseasons (did for the Liberty, but they have since moved anyway), plus it also didn't result in a change of name. In other words, there was no noted break like we have for KeyArena vs. Climate Pledge Arena. Another huge difference is the basic outer structure, roof, and much of the inner layout remains for MSG; KeyArena was demolished except for the roof above it, similar to the Gator Bowl and TIAA Bank Stadium. Climate Pledge Arena will only have the location and roof in common with KeyArena. Many stadiums and arenas are renovated, but in this case, it seems to be more of a total rebuild than a renovation. From an article perspective, having two separate articles for KeyArea and CPA would make both more manageable, especially the tenant lists. Really, the best example for a total rebuild like CPA that wasn't split into a separate article would be Soldier Field. I think the main reason that hasn't been broken into separate articles is the fact the facility wasn't renamed, but the "renovation" was essentially a total rebuild except for parts of the outer facade. It was extensive enough to get the building delisted from the National Register of Historic Places. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tenant list 

message: Since the arena was a major concert venue throughout its existence, I feel that a "Concerts" section is warranted for the article; there are already several statements about various concerts at the arena that could be combined into a separate section. Many of them are uncited, but they shouldn't be too hard to find sources for given that most of the mentioned events happened after 1985–86, which is when archives of the Times and P-I start for my local library. The resulting section could be very long, especially if compiled in a table; however, with the discussion on splitting the arena iterations into their own articles, the table could be easily spilt off for their respective arena iterations as well. --SmartAn01 (talk) 00:43, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, FAs and GAs don't include long concert tables as they would violate WP:NOTDIR. I would advise against adding such a table here, as it would easily overwhelm the article as you describe. SounderBruce 05:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of "Concerts" section