Talk:Leasehold estate

message: Where does this common UK form of letting come into it?
Most residential property is let via a AST and most buy to let lenders require it as a matter of course.  
On a related thought: What's the difference between letting and leasing anyway?
Simon West 20:04, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no practical difference. An AST is a statutory form of tenancy (so a tenancy may be or may not be an AST). Francis Davey (talk) 10:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assured Shorthold Tenancy 

message: Several months ago, I consolidated two groups of articles into comprehensive articles on these relative concepts, then tweaked and expanded from there. It has occurred to me that these might be on the path to being featured articles, and could benefit from peer review. I present them together because the style and organization is prety much the same for both, so I assume they share the same faults. bd2412 T 23:03, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. They share the same faults. 
# Insufficient lead text in one, 
# sections are lopsided. Balance the content in sections and avoid the usage of subheadings as far as possible.
#Are these specifically US laws? 
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=Nichalp «Talk»= 11:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review comments 

message: This is in comparison such an excellent article that its authors could surely improve the much too theoretical approach and legalese on leasing. In addition, there is repetition, overlapping, and confusion between it and this article and rental agreement. --Espoo 08:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Leasing]] 

message: Apparently this has been suggested, but I'm not sure it's a great idea. Leasehold in general is to be contrasted with, say, freehold; it's a legal concept concerning whether the land belongs to the owner of the title in perpetuity (freehold), or for a certain amount of time and then reverts to the government (leasehold). Leasehold estate seems to cover leasing of real estate in general, rather than dealing with this specific concept. Johnleemk | Talk 20:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging [[Leasehold]] here 

message: In the USA, landlord/tenant law is relegated to the states, and there are vast differences from state to state.  The concepts in this article may originate from English common law, but that doesn't mean they've been adopted in every US state.  For example, LL/T law in Texas is dictated by Texas common law as well as the Texas Property Code.  Moreover, some of these laws may be modified or disregarded per the terms of the lease agreement.  This article is way too generic and misleading, discussing legal constructs that may or may not exist where the individual Wikipedia reader resides.  Cap'n Walker 16:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true of basically all wikipedia law articles and its a bigger and more difficult problem than just here. Francis Davey 17:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See my remarks on cleanup. Francis Davey (talk) 14:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A global article regarding Landlord/Tenant law?

message: Initiating discussion on whether Tenancy for years should be merged here. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 23:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There's hardly anything there and some of its wrong anyway. Francis Davey (talk) 13:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I propose that we clean up this article by removing jurisdiction specific material in the form of assertions that only hold in one place and that don't reflect a general or historical position. If editors know of particular rules in their own jurisdiction then I would suggest either a separate article on that jurisdiction, or a sub-section of this. Francis Davey (talk) 13:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just carried out an example edit - basically removing a lot of extraneous material that isn't true in general. Francis Davey (talk) 13:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Right, but a lot of this article (and some of the others) is about the legal concepts involve in lease. What a particularl industry chooses to do is quite a different question - there's nothing very complicated about leases of chattels or movable property and it doesn't give rise to much useful law. Francis Davey (talk) 10:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I note that there has been a long outstanding proposed merge between Leasing and Renting. I suggest that that merge is done, and then Lease redirects here to Leasehold estate. There is *so* much cleanup work required on this subject :( DWaterson (talk) 23:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is certainly such a thing as a "leasehold estate" in English Law, indeed it is one of the two possible legal estates in land (the other being freehold). Leases were of course derived from a purely personal right, but acquired a proprietary character, hence they strictly fall into the category of "chattel real". Things may well have simplified in many US states of course. Francis Davey (talk) 00:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ... actually of 3 legal estates, one always forgets commonhold.Francis Davey (talk) 23:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

text: To 'lease' and 'rent' does not just apply to property, therefore I can only suggest you move the parts of the article appropriate from 'lease' and 'rent', but leave them open as their own topic, albeit with a qualifier saying "for leasing a property, see 'leasehold estate'", make sense? Miscreant (talk) 10:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true - or at least it is true now. Strictly "rent" was really only something due from a tenant to a landlord but the term is now much wider. What do you propose? That the material in Lease is all moved (almost all of it is about the leasehold estate) to Leasehold with a redirect from Leasehold estate? Or should we have a Lease (land) page? Its something it would be useful to have consensus on. Provided we have something consistent we are OK. Francis Davey (talk) 21:02, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Leasehold estate??????? Why on earth would we want to obfuscate a common topic like a "lease" by merging it with something that sounds as obscure as "leasehold estate"? This would be a ridiculous decision. No merge. Jason Quinn (talk) 15:00, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know.  Let's redirect Lease to a page that discusses this.  Dr.EnAmi (talk) 22:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal3

message: In regards to covenant of quiet enjoyment redirecting here: since a general warranty deed also contains a covenant for quiet enjoyment, should a disambiguation page (as opposed to a redirect to here) be used instead? Dbrote (talk) 22:43, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Covenant of Quiet Enjoyment 

message: This section of the article seems to deal exclusively with agricultural holdings. Not all leasehold property is agricultural - what about effects on tenants of leasehold apartment buildings (in cities, towns and some villages in UK)? (Declared interest - I am viewing a leasehold flat which is on market under a buy-to-let landlord with view to purchase.)Cloptonson (talk) 16:01, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Effects on Tenancy - what about apartments?

message: In the United States, Land-Lease (Leasehold) is common in manufactured home communities and "mobile home parks". The manufactured home owner owns their physical home, but rents the land under it.
https://www.manufacturedhomes.com/blog/land-lease-manufactured-home-communities/ Jonathan Lockwood Huie (talk) 19:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  LAND-LEASE MANUFACTURED HOME COMMUNITIES in the United States 

message: many countries have leasehold, but they have not been included. Not just English speaking countries, but across Europe. 
It is misleading many people 2A00:23EE:1860:6E4E:7DFE:FD62:6C96:911D (talk) 14:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  International examples 

message: I have responded below - but I will put here. English Wikipedia needs a proper page on Leasehold Tenure like every other major language. The inability to have a land tenure page in English is embarrassing and causing harm
this confusion has now caused considerable difficulties for the united kingdom. they have been popularly mislead to say that leasehold tenure is unknown elsewhere. I would be happy to help write it.
The concept of leasehold is the same as emphyteusis or usufruct under civil law. I include the German wiki page and the japanese wiki page in translation below. I'm happy to go through a longer list of leasehold in different countries as tenure in a page ;
the usa has it in new york coop and condo, in miami, in maryland and hawaii. Canada has many types of tenure in it's Provinces. That creates a link to Strata title - which is either freehold or leasehold.
The lack of correct information on wikipedia on this is causing a significant social harm in the uk. it is imperative to do this
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Erbbaurecht?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erbbaurecht
https://ja-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%E5%80%9F%E5%9C%B0%E6%A8%A9?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strata_title Hickster999 (talk) 20:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leasehold Tenure requires actual explanation 

message: I discovered this article in the course of my participation in the GOCE May 2024 Drive; this article had a "copy edit" tag for being "very formally written" and "difficult to parse". First of all, I added an "expert needed" tag because prose that is difficult for non-experts in the topic (like me) to parse is even more difficult for non-experts to fix. That being said, there are other, more foundational problems that probably should be fixed first. Some of these have been mentioned in previous talk page posts, and some are my own observations/opinions. To start with, the "History" section needs some expansion. Worse yet, only three countries are mentioned as practicing leasehold agreements, when there are surely many more that do so. Furthermore, even the countries that are mentioned have insufficient coverage. For example, in the Australia subsection, most of the info is about agricultural/industrial leasehold – residential leasehold gets only a single sentence; under the subsection about the United States, only agricultural leasehold is covered, and residential leasehold is completely ignored. I have only a surface-level knowledge of the subject of leasehold, so there are probably even more problems in the article that I do not perceive for lack of knowledge. SmileySnail (talk) 23:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs major improvements