Talk:Jat Sikh

message: and what vandalism are you talking about.....is showing truth vandalism....and here iam writing about my people..this is what iam ...123.201.45.110 (talk) 15:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ?? 

message: For me, Misterconginialtastical hit the nail on the head regarding the Sudra reference (even though I myself reinstated it previously when it was removed as an "unrelaiable" source): this article is about Jatt Sikh, therefore by definition it is not about those Jats who are of, or originate from, a Hindu caste system. The reference to Sudra is valid for a wider survey of Jat people, but not for this article. -- Timberframe (talk) 22:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean. Is not the usage of Rajput in the same context then? I am a bit puzzled. Maybe I am reading it wrong of the first paragraph needs to be re-written. It does not seem to read clearly. It sems to be mixing up ethnicity with caste. Saying this there is a strong element of ethnicity amongst caste. For example in Manu Smirti, the Saka (Scythian) is seen as a Sudra. Thanks.--Sikh-history (talk) 08:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Timberframe I will try and write in a lead, please give me some ideas and assist. You are correct in so much the sikh aspect of Jatt-Sikh should be exploited. I have done work previously on the Tarkhan-Sikh, Ramgarhia pages. A lot of which was not appreciated by their community, but we have to resents things warts and all I suppose.Thanks--Sikh-history (talk) 14:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Information-Line you and I are aware the first question asked by Jatt-Sikh familes is "Teree Zaaat Kee Hai?". "Zaat" is a peculiar word that not only mean profession, but refers to ones ancestry and lineage. It refers to race. Also Assume Good Faith, we must adhere to WP:NPOV. Thanks--Sikh-history (talk) 14:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sudra 

message: I have added information that is important for the article but it may need a little cleaning up as for the references link to the Sikhiwiki a Sikh encyclopedia,and i hope that you can use this information in the article during your major revamp of the article as it shows why jatt sikhs were renouned.Regards Information-Line (talk) 11:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, provided that sikhwiki.org cites its sources.  I don't think the wiki itself can be considered a reliable source as defined by Wikipedia policy, but if the information it provides is supported by robust citations we can use the citations. -- Timberframe (talk) 13:05, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sikhiwiki is very low in terms of refernces and you are correct it is not reliable source. I spend a lot of my time removing those references from other articles and finding better ones, so please don't use them here.--Sikh-history (talk) 13:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

text: This raises another concern that I am taking the citations in sikhwiki.org in good faith. If anyone has access to any of the books cited in this article it would be useful to confirm that the quotations as presented in the article are accurate. -- Timberframe (talk) 14:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can check one or two as I have Barstows book somewhere. That quote I remember (which I have tagged), because it was used by a friend of mine to demonstrate differences between Jats per se and Sikhs. The quote seems to be doctored. I will check. Thanks--Sikh-history (talk) 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  As I thought, selective quoting:
On page 155
As has already been explained the virtues of the Jats are identical with those of the Sikhs, but the latter posses in a higher degree the ardent military spirit which had its origin in the warlike precepts of Govind Singh.
 
I think rather than quotes, what we do is make a statement eg Jatt Sikhs according to Barstow were very good soldiers, and due to the influence of Sikhism possesed more of a martial quality than their other non-Sikh Jat brethern or something like that. 
Barstow also talks about Khatris, Mazbhis, Tarkhans etc etc being very good soldiers in the same manner, so we need a summary of what he is saying.
What do you think?   Thanks --Sikh-history (talk) 16:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Thanks for checking those refs. I agree completely. In any case I'm not convinced of the encyclopedic value of the "Description of the Jats Sikhs by British Military Officers" - the authors were writing for a specific audience and in a context which doubtless influenced their perceptions and opinions; they are hardly objective sources. As far as possible I'd like to see the article draw on scholarly references rather than the likes of these. -- Timberframe (talk) 19:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok when I have time I will write the summary and just and the refrences for the reader rather than include quotations from the books. Thanks --Sikh-history (talk) 08:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Revamp

message: I think this section is key and will the article and also show why their need s to be a separate article for Jatt Sikhs rather than just Jatts. We need to find more sources and more headings. I will have a look. Thanks --Sikh-history (talk) 20:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree completely. The crucial question this article needs to answer in order to justify its existence as an article rather than a paragraph in the Jat people article is about the significance of Sikhism within the Jat community at large, both in the past and in the present. If we can't manage more than a paragraph then why have a separate article? We've a little on its origins, but nothing yet on how it shaped the community culturally, socially and politically. Sadly I have no sources for this topic, but I'll happily help to copy-edit anything that's forthcoming. -- Timberframe (talk) 22:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Need To Expand Influence of Sikhism on Jatts

message: I will give 3 days to find sources that concur that there were Buddist and Pagan Jatts in Panjab in the 17th and 18th Century. If none are presented, I will kill these two points. Thanks --Sikh-history (talk) 06:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems fair enough.  I wonder why the additions were made without citing references in the first place. -- Timberframe (talk) 12:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably my fault. I was searching for some old Persian references I had on how Jatts from Muslims had become Sikhs and tagged the part about Muslims Jatts, while I found the source. Information-LIne decided to add Pagan and Buddhist (I don't know why). Thanks--Sikh-history (talk) 13:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

text: NO Oneness is on you to demonstrate Buddhism was in Punjab and there were Jatt Buddists in the 17th to 18th Century. If you cannot provide a link then it will be removed. You will not kill Muslim Jatts in 3 days because I can demonstrate there were Muslim Jatts in Punjab from many sources. In time I will find the source that demonstrates some Muslim Jatts becamoe Sikhs too. I am going through Sikh History from Persian sources at the moment by Irfan Habib and Grewal. It will take time. Thanks --Sikh-history (talk) 16:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I jhave done a cursory search and there seems to be much mention here of Muslim Jatts in the 17th century and NO mention of Buddist Jatts in the 17th century here. Thanks --Sikh-history (talk) 17:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pagan and Buddist Jatts Highly Dubious

message: On over zealous tagging of personalities. Whoops--Sikh-History 18:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, no worries. I hope the rationale I put in my edit summary is acceptable to all. I left the "cn" tag against Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale because his article doesn't directly assert a Jatt origin. For the other three which I removed the respective articles assert that the respective people are of Jatt Sikh and assert what is said about them in this article. While wiki isn't a suitable reference, I felt that if there was anything questionable about the biographical info in this article it should be questioned at source, because that's where the external references are. Cheers -- Timberframe (talk) 18:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Apoligies

message: There must have been an influence of Jatts or Jat culture on Sikhism not only just religion on Jatts ?
Jatts are innate fighters, to suggest that Bhappe are a martial bunch too is laughable and its putting down Jats en masse Analtap (talk) 21:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm Bhappe. A racist term used to describe Khatri's in Punjab (one who emigrated from Pakistan side I think, because of their accent). Khatri's from what I understand are from Kshatriya lineage (as described in Dasam Granth) who have taken to trading. Just I have read Jatts were originally Kshatria and have taken to the plough. I think it's important to cite reference and places. I have no doubt as the article expands we can add more about how even Jatts influnced Sikhism in the 17th and 18th Century by making the bulk of the Confedaracies (Misls). I must stress the need for good citations and present all views. Thanks --Sikh-History 08:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not joking at all. This page is for discussion of part Jatt-Sikh, and not of "racism", or whether people are pretending to be Jatt or not. In my experience Khatri's are proud people who have no need to pretend to be Jatt (internet or reality). Please focus on the content of this page. Thanks --Sikh-History 07:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

text: If your going to use dabestan e mahzeb (as you normally semm to do) as a rsource to say Muslim Jats converted to Sikhism, I wouldn't bother.
Most Sikhs and Hindus converted to Islam during the defeat of all the Gurus, and again in Partition there was a huge conversion in the middle part of the last century...I will find sources to find them too  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.59.171 (talk) 16:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why how and where?Where is your proof for this? Where are your reference? --Sikh-History 18:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jatt influence on Sikhism 

message: How is Sikhs being brave in general a contradiction? Please STOP this POV NOW. The page is about Jat SIKHS (emphasis SIKH). What is it that makes a Jatt Sikh different from a Jat. Otherwise there is no need to have this page, as many editors have been trying to delete it. The same applies to Rajput Sikhs, Julaha Sikh (Ramdasia), Mazbhi Sikh (Chamar/Churah Sikh), Ramgarhia (Tarkhan) etc etc. The list goes on. The only reason to create these pages is to highlight what makes the Sikh element make these people different. Major Barstow goes into this in some detail (as do other books). I suggest you read them. Thanks --Sikh-History 21:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed a Contradiction?

message: I think we should have a realistic look at the historical relationship between jatt and bhappeya?
Bhappe traits and thier obsession with paise 
Any contributions based on actual observations would be greatly appreciated ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heliosphere (talk • contribs) 20:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: what has this conversation to do with article Jatt-Sikh?--Sikh-History 13:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jatts vs bhappe 

message: Sorry Singhboi, you refuse to reply to my warnings and tehrefore I have no option but to ask for your block. I suspect you are also the Vandal IP which has been blocked. Thanks --Sikh-History 17:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Singhboi

message: Hi,
According to both references,
(1-The transformation of Sikh society‎ - Page 92 by Ethne K. Marenco - The gazetteer also describes the relation of the Jat Sikhs to the Jat Hindus ...to 2019 in 1911 is attributed to the conversion of Jat Hindus to Sikhism. ...,)
(2->Social philosophy and social transformation of Sikhs‎ by R. N. Singh (Ph. D.) Page 130 - The decrease of Jat Hindus from 16843 in 1881 to 2019 in 1911 is attributed to the conversion of Jat Hindus to Sikhism. ...)
Jat-sikhs converted from Jat-Hindus and no ref. of conversion from Jat-muslims to Jat-sikhs,,and moreover mostly Jat-sikhs were in east punjab and were hindu converts,,and Jat-sikhs of west-punjab were muslim converts...moreover Jat-muslims were also converted from Jat-hindus..
anyway...with due respect,if anyone find anything wrong in my minor edit,,please explain and then make your correction..
Thanks !
-- Last Emperor (talk) 08:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor correction 

message: I reverted the previous edit without realizing that there was an edit war in progress. Apologies. But it does seem unnecessary to say that the Jat Muslims were descendants of Jat Hindus. That is both fairly obvious as well as stated in the linked article. Finally, the clarification is added in a para that seems to summarize a single source and we would need to verify that the source actually presents the information in the same way and in the same context before inclusion. --rgpk (comment) 16:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are crrect, it is unnecessary and you were right to revert it. Thanks--Sikh-History 08:51, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the WP:Manual of Style. The reference is not valid. As you edit stands it will be removed. I have no intention of engaging in disruptive editing. Thanks --Sikh-History 09:40, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  you are reverting my edits in view of ur POV, you have made edits without any source.Winston786 (talk) 09:43, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Err that's called a "fact" tag. I don't think you understand the issue here. MUslims in India no doubt came from Hindu's, but we already have a Jat Muslim page that makes that statement. It seems pretty ridiculous to keep re-asserting what has already been stated. Thanks--Sikh-History 13:58, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So why are u stressing on a source for my edition when that is also a known "FACT", I have not added the whole process of them becoming muslim, the reason and the time period of their conversion etc. I have just added a sentence coz we are talking about the lineage of Jat Sikhs, so the fact that the Jat Muslims were also Jat Hindus once is worth mentioning here as it is related to the lineage of Jat sikhs.Winston786 (talk) 14:12, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Fact tag indicates that we need a source that Muslim Jats converted to Sikhs. We do not need to keep reasserting the same facts on different pages as is the case here. The choice is yours. You can either work with fellow editors, or pursue the path you are and evetually end up with a block. The ball is firmly in your court. Another point to note is that you have not added the citation correctly WP: Manual of Style, and therefore other editor are entitled to challenge them and remove them. Thanks--Sikh-History 07:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what a FACT tag is, I am just saying why don't u imply the same logic to my edition(though i have added the source too) and as I said, I have added a brief line about lineage not long essays, this is an encyclopedia with the intention of informing the people and thats what i did, nobody is 'asserting" anything here. I have added the citations in accordance with the way they were already mentioned on WP.Winston786 (talk) 08:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Actually, you haven't complied with WP:Manual of Style. ISBN number? Chapter? Page? Author? Volume? Link?. All these things and more you have missed off. You don't have to assert things twice if the link already makes that point, as is the case here. Thanks --Sikh-History 10:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A Glossary of the tribes and Castes of Punjab, Author = H A Rose, Page = 136, though there are no links for many others, why you are specially targeting my edition that to when its a known fact.Winston786 (talk) 10:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Every other link is cited properly and just for that you will get a warning for not assuming good faith. Thanks --Sikh-History 10:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You can add the FACT tag rather then deleting the whole sentence.Winston786 (talk) 11:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Err no, a fact is not the problem, it is WP:Manual of Style. The hyperlink clearly states that Jat Muslims are originally Hindus. Thanks--Sikh-History 11:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

text: also it is self evident that there is an element of WP:GAME going on here. It will be interesting to see the outcome. Thanks --Sikh-History 12:06, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh!!, so? i m just adding a sentence on this Page, not the full essays about conversions, its a well known fact, its written here only once.Winston786 (talk) 12:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikhs from muslims from hindus 

message: Why is Bhagat Singh's name mentioned here, when he is generally known to be an atheist and he even self-identified as one, authoring an essay Why i am an atheist? before his death? The fellow who claims otherwise is a right-wing Sikh named Trilochan Singh who is obviously not a reliable source on this matter, and even supposing he was, cannot override Bhagat Singh's self-identification. Jatt Sikh is not a separate ethnicity, but a Sikh sub-group. While his name can be mentioned in the Jatt article, it shouldn't be mentioned here. As such, i propose that his name be removed from this article. Joyson Prabhu Holla at me!  10:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Although WP:BLPCAT obviously does not apply to a dead person, if he did indeed self-identify then we should respect that. His act of renunciation should suffice for our purposes. - Sitush (talk) 13:48, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree - with Joyson. Bhagat Singh though born into a Sikh family, adopted 'atheism'. In the article Why i am an atheist, he also explained his rationale. His only religion was the freedom of India, for which he laid down his life. In general, IMHO, Wikipedia articles should not be on different castes. The persons born into a particular caste have not done so by their choice. Maharaja Ranjit Singh or the others in the list are notable today due to their work and not since they belonged to a particular caste. Why is this attempt made by a caste to portray that these people were notable since they belonged to this caste? Would it have made a difference if Maharaja Ranjit Singh had a different caste? Would he not be king? Or have done the great things he did? Caste is not notable. The article needs to be suitably amended. --Tinpisa (talk) 14:24, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Caste can be significant. If, for example, someone was born an outcaste but rose to become a renowned philosopher or member of a royal court then that would be quite a remarkable achievement in the face of the strictures of the traditional caste system. This is not relevant in this instance but I think that it needs to be borne in mind more generally: there are exceptional situations - Sitush (talk) 14:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant caste is not notable in the context of this article. --Tinpisa (talk) 14:49, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I misunderstood you. - Sitush (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Still waiting, User:Sikh-history! I will remove him from the list, unless you provide a good reason for why he must be included here. 07:32, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that you need to give a bit more than 24 hours for a response and for others to have their say. He is dead, so this is not a BLP violation unless you think that there is family who may object. - Sitush (talk) 07:39, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I forgot to mention how long! I will give him three days. It doesn't have to be a BLP vio, for me to object to his inclusion. If he renounced Sikhism, it would be erroneous to mention him in this article. Joyson Prabhu Holla at me!  07:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, I didn't phrase that well. What I meant was, there is no massive urgency to remove it because it is not a BLP situation. It does need resolving, however. - Sitush (talk) 08:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, thanks for clarifying! To me it's always an urgent matter to fix perceived errors, but i am open to hearing his views on this and if he makes a convincing argument, i will just leave it be. Joyson Prabhu Holla at me!  08:07, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Sorry I had some internet problems. I originally wanted to remove Bhagat Singh because he proclaimed himself an atheist, but in the interests of WP:Balance I included the reference you see in the article from Bhai Randhir Singh who was incacerated with him, who claims he reafirmed his Sikh faith. I do know his family and they say he was an atheist, although most of them are Sikhs (not devout). I am easy either way. I have no objections to him being removed. I just didn't want to spark another edit war, the last time I removed him. Thanks SH 16:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No issues! As there is consensus for its removal and no one has objected so far or seem likely to object, i will remove him from the list. Joyson Prabhu Holla at me!  16:56, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Now this is how problems are supposed to be resolved here. Well done, all. - Sitush (talk) 17:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

text: User:Sikh-history should not have reinserted Bhagat Singh's name to the list. In his book, Sangat Singh seems to have just uncritically accepted Randhir Singh's claim. The popular and mainstream consensus among historians is that Bhagat Singh died an atheist, and we must not go against that. Randhir Singh's claim cannot be verified, and the view that Bhagat Singh accepted Sikhism before his death is just a fringe view. Hence, it must be disregarded as per WP:UNDUE. Furthermore, even supposing that support for both views went something like 50/50, it would still be inappropriate to mention it here as his religious orientation or lack thereof, in such a case, couldn't be positively concluded. Joyson Prabhu Holla at me!  09:47, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Delete or Add, I don't really care, but the issue here is one of whether we want to avoid an edit war. For Jat-Sikhs, they see themselves as a distinctive group regardless of whether they are religious or not. Thanks SH 12:03, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We have means to deal with edit wars, and Joyson's policy-based arguments + your "I don't really care" indicate that the item should be removed. I will do it now. - Sitush (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

text: @ Sikh History: Whatever! Since you don't care, just don't reinsert it again. It only looks weird. Joyson Prabhu Holla at me!  16:11, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To be clear, when I see an anon IP remove cited text my instinct is to revert, hence why I did it without even seeing what it was. ThanksSH 09:27, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Recently a para has been added by  here supported by this source. Since, the source talks about "Jat" but not this specific ethno-religious sub-group, I believe this content is better suited in the Jat people article. Suggestions . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a doubt regarding the source, it may not qualify WP:HSC.Tagging  .Heba Aisha (talk) 10:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

text: I can't see the source here, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 11:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, the first page (777) isn't viewable. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent additions 

message: According to sikhism all the sikh have ancestory is khalsa . Every sikh have identity of khalsa . All sikhs have same identity . Sikhs donot have varities in them . Those who differntiate in sikhism are not true sikhs. Its against sikhism delete this page . Sikhism reject the different identity of people according to sikhism all the sikhs have same identity of khalsa who donot beleive in khalsa is not a sikh. Harman0123 (talk) 05:10, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jatt sikh are not true sikhs. Sikh donot have different identites . All the sikhs is khalsa identity. 

message: This is the page of jatt sikh why are you adding the information muslim jat and hindu jat. Jat sikh only contribute in sikh regiment . Hindu jat contribute in many regiment . But why are you mentioning the information of hindu jat in sikh jats . Remove the information there is no source which prove jat sikh contribute in rajputana rifles. Jat contribute in rajputana rifles but not jat sikh. First undertsand both are same but by relegion they both are different . 2402:3A80:1FD4:F946:CAB2:E826:154C:68F3 (talk) 03:25, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:19, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2021 

message: You are adding the information that ancient sources prive jat is kshtriya . Their is no authentic souces which prove jat as kshtriya . Kaka kalekar act 1952 and punjab lahore highcourt 1936 proves after the proper study that jat and jatt sikh is comes under shudra varna . Jat sikh are under obc in central list of government pls remove that jat is kshtriya . One side you are mentioning sikhs donot beleive in caste another side you are mentioning jat sikh according to hindu varna what is this? If you are mentioning jat as kshtriya according to hindu varna system then add 1936 punjab lahore high court prove jat and jatt sikh as shudra and kaka kalekar act 1952 prove all jat as shudra.  
Sources - 1936 lahore high court 551 which proves jat and jatt sikh shudra 
Second source kaka kalekar act 1952 2402:3A80:1FD4:F946:CAB2:E826:154C:68F3 (talk) 03:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:19, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2021 (2) 

message: DB-g7
 Rajputt Singh (talk) 19:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sikhs do not have any caste. This page goes against the creation of principles of Sikhism in which one of the goals was to ablish caste. I've been seeing references to sikhs who are jatt as "jatt sikh" and they are being linked to this page. Once sikhi has been accepted any reference to caste like this page is unacceptable. Trying to differentiate Sikhs based on caste and showing their origins as rajput is not valid nor do any concrete sources exist nor can be provided. The biggest issue is creating a separate identity for jatt sikhs as opposed to just being sikhs which includes various castes and communities and is creating differences on the basis of caste which in essence goes against sikhi. Delete this page which will remove all this jatt castism. It not acceptable nor is any of the information provided in trying to establish themselves as being superior to other communities like rajputs acceptable. You can go to any Rajput page it is never mentioned they are "hindu rajput" in the bio section and nor are they linked to a "hindu rajput" wiki page! Stop this nonsense and fake propaganda in trying to conceal your shudra origins and accept the fact you are not jatt sikh but only sikh. Rajputt Singh (talk) 19:22, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Sirdog (talk) 19:57, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2023 

message: Please change the List of Clans to include the clan 'Sahota'
'Sahota' is also a Jat Sikh clan, please see the below wikipedia links which cross reference the sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahota
Thank you. 80.7.52.111 (talk) 16:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Next time provide the source so that people resounding to edit request can complete it more quickly. Lightoil (talk) 12:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2023 

message: Is the 'Jat Sikh' an ethno-religioous group similar to the Jewish people for example? Used in the lede sentence, we need this to be widely sourced. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethno-religious