Talk:Benson, Vermont

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message: With a quick bit of research I could find no reference to these men, either as individuals or as people notable for these reasons. Please include citations if you'd like to put them back in the Benson article. Thanks. Jessamyn (talk) 09:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mean to be impolite either. Is there some sort of reference either in print or online that indicates who these men are? I am sure you have the best of intentions, but information need to be in some way verifiable so that we can separate solid information from vandalism and jokes. If you want to take a photo of the monument, please do so. Jessamyn (talk) 20:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Citing sources is official policy. You're welcome to add information without citation, but it may be challenged and/or removed. It's got nothing to do with me one way or the other, I've just been helping maintain most of the Vermont town pages; trying to make sure that information is sourced and cited is one of the things I do. Jessamyn (talk) 03:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  citations? 

message: Hi guys - I've reverted a couple of edits, and it's time for me chime in. I added the sections on "notable residents" for all of the VT towns, and it's been really interesting to find out that a cartoonist or a musician comes from my town, not to mention listing all of the interesting people that have passed through Burlington. I'm glad that you want to add more people from Benson, but until you have sources, or explanation, your contributions will keep being deleted, so come on! Add someone interesting - better yet, add someone real :-) H0n0r 21:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable People 

message: The edits made to this page by User:Michaelcuddyer and several other users are intentional vandalism by someone with whom I have spoken. I am reverting to the first version of the article before he contributed. He has also made use of sock puppet accounts to achieve supposed consensus.
It also appears he is intentionally citing obscure sources (e.g., Time Magazine, April 20, 1962 -- its archive page doesn't mention Benson, VT; The "June 1956" issue of Variety, which is a weekly publication; and seemingly unobtainable books like "The Natural and Political History of the State of Vermont, Vermont Historical Society, Collections"). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Llamapalooza87 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When I read "vandalism", I don't generally think of addition of not-necessarily-obviously fallacious material. I don't (obviously :-) want to see wrong or unreferenced bits included, but I restored it because it appeared to have sources and because I didn't understand what was meant by "vandal edits". Sorry for the confusion. Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michaelcuddyer, et al. 

message: Someone recently reinstated the aforementioned edits on the grounds that they are not "entirely" vandalism; however, I believe that most or all of the edits in question are fallacious and based on fake citations. However, I will only remove the parts whose sources are clearly faulty.
Source 3: The Vermont Encyclopedia's entry on Benson (on Google Book Search) appears to support the first paragraph of the History section, but not the second––it makes no mention of the hotel in question. Thus, I am removing Paragraph 2.
Source 4: I am unable to find the text of this Flexner's The Traitor and the Spy. It may or may not be a legitimate source, but judging from the many other sources in question, I rather doubt it. In any case, I'll add a verify source tag for now.
Source 5: This book is only 179 pages long. Therefore, the pages cited––in the 400s––don't exist, and I'm removing this section.
There are then 3 uncited paragraphs; I am moving them here until verifiable sources can be provided:
*During the 1780s, Germans were forcibly removed from their surrounding farms and forced into the town center. Here, they prospered, turning Benson into a center of culture and learning for Western Rutland County. By the end of the 19th century, Benson's public schooling system was among the finest in the nation, according to Harper's Weekly's June 12, 1895 edition.
*Benson was a center of local brewing from the Gilded Age to Prohibition. German inhabitants grew barley and hops thanks to sharecropping arrangements with local farmers. What started out as home brewing evolved into a vibrant culture of craft brewing, operating out of a makeshift brewery high on the town hill. People from the surrounding communities as well as travelers often stopped in town at the local taverns to sample a variety of beers ranging from simple Lager to more exotic beers like Hefeweizen, Doppelbock and Märzen. With the passage of the 19th Amendment, riotous teetotalers from the countryside burned the brewery to the ground, killing a small child that attempted to hide from the flames in a horse stall.
*The First World War stirred up the old resentments and rivalries between the Germans and other Bensonites, and several incidents of violence marred an otherwise peaceful decade.
Source 6: The Benson Town Museum, which conveniently is located far away from most editors, has no website, and doesn't even have an email address. I highly doubt that they even have an exhibit on Ulrich Spiegel, if he's even a real person. But in the interest of fairness, I'll mark it as needing verification rather than deleting it outright.
The town of Benson website is www.benson-vt.com, there is also a page for the museum. The curator is the elderly wife of John Trutor, Ms Genevieve Willamson Trutor.
I would be happy to try and find validation for any questions you may have. I serve as webmaster for the town's website, and I'm also a member of the Selectboard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farquarh (talk • contribs) 19:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: When I read "vandalism", I don't generally think of addition of not-necessarily-obviously fallacious material. I don't (obviously :-) want to see wrong or unreferenced bits included, but I restored it because it appeared to have sources and because I didn't understand what was meant by "vandal edits". Sorry for the confusion. Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up based on sources

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