Talk:Smiley

message: I can't find references for this, but Ray's Food Place used this as a logo in the 1970s and 1980s.  I'm not sure why they stopped.  There are still some stores with windows with the ghost image of these logos on them. http://www.ckmarket.com/ 67.169.49.52 (talk) 05:59, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray's Food Place 1980s 

message: Ken Nordine's Cover for his 1957 jazz/jive talk album Word Jazz featured a strikingly similar, yet more stylized version of a talking happy face, which may have inspired the canonical version. Spikeysnack (talk) 03:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proto Smiley  1957 

message: The smiley article suggests a Richard Ball invented the smiley face. The Harvey Ball page suggests it was Harvey Ball, as does his own page. Harvey Ball is also mentioned here. It can't be both, can it? ElectricRay (talk) 11:26, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Richard Ball vs Harvey Ball

message: Add more smiley face pictures seriously the page is boring!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.253.43.146 (talk) 20:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: tap•2 2601:8C0:C202:4CC0:86A:DF2B:55E3:416C (talk) 08:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Add more

message: Doesn't this article duplicate a lot of material from emoticon. Look at the list of smilies, for example. Should this material be moved to emoticon or vice-versa? Should the two be merged and emoticon be made a redirect to Smiley? I hate to have two seperate articles that discuss the same thing differently. —Frecklefoot 17:17, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You're absolutely right. IMHO all the content in "Smileys on the Internet" should be merged into Emoticon and be replaced with a link to Emoticon. Dpbsmith 17:26, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In theory and common speech; yes, but in fact no.  The reasons involve the restrictions of the copyright on "Smiley" etc --restrictions on what can be said here. Obviously the owner does not want smiley=emoticon, and to Hell with common lingo and all those rich derivations and related stories. Also; this is a classic example of how copyrights and other so-called intellectual rights can rob the public of value/wealth. (The USA has the world's highest acceptance of easy intellectual "property" rights (to the few, restrictions to the many) and the strictest enforcement.) In fact, the emoticon article is not only more germane, but far better, and I think the claimed rights and resulting chilling effects are why.  --71.133.255.249 (talk) 03:12, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate

message: Why did they put the ☻ and ☺ in ASCII? See Code page 437 for what I mean. --Abdull 20:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ASCII 

message: An editor who wrote on Smiley (disambiguation)
:Smileys are sometimes referred to as graemlins. 
may have meant what they said, that "graemlin" is another word for smiley, in the article's sense, but this is not clear, especially since that would mean it belonged in Smiley, not where they put it in Smiley (disambiguation). Of course, whatever they meant, it needs verification. --Jerzy•t 00:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  graemlins 

message: Read this BBC article - it says many people claim to have created / propagated / designed the smiley. Is there any concrete evidence for the statements made in the article? - Bnitin 02:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first smiley face I ever saw was at a free rock concert in Laguna Beach, California, c. 1969 or 1970.  The Brotherhood of Eternal Love distributed very large suckers made of Orange Sunshine LSD.  These had smiley faces engraved on them.  Some time later I noticed the more familiar version, which for some reason changed the color from orange to yellow.Frederick Dolan (talk) 18:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: People can argue about the origin of the smiley face all they want, but the fact remains that the oldest known usage of the smiley face, as per this article, is 1963.  That pretty much limits its origin to either Harvey Ball or the cartoon series "The Funny Company", which also first aired in 1963.  The caps the kids wore in that series featured a smiley face on the front. grifterlake (talk) 00:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think that people have been using smiley faces for hundreds of years. It's a pretty obvious thing to draw. ☺ (Huey45 (talk) 05:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed origins 

message: Someone made a request at the Wikipedia: Abuse reports page to deal with the spamming by inhunt.com, although it was in poor and incorrect form. I took a look at the spamming that has taken place here and on the Emoticon article, and decided to make a proper abuse report, seen here. In my little investigation, I saw that this spamming was taking place from multiple IPs, which were registered to many places. Also, some of these IPs appeared to be making worthy contributions. I don't really have a clue if this is a bot or not, or what it exactly is doing to achieve this high rate of spamming. This is because I lack any advanced knowledge in the area of computers or internet. So if someone a little more knowledgable could take a look at this, and add a better sypnosis to my abuse report, that would be greatly appreciated by all. --Reaper X 19:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, DavidHOzAu suggested that we get our good bot friend Tawkerbot2 involved, and ask to have inhunt.com added to it's spam blacklist. I did that, and Tawker did so. So hopefully they are gone for good! --Reaper X 02:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  inhunt.com 

message: "Smiley is another name for curb stomping. In Australia, people commonly refer to it as a smiley due to the scars that are left after the act has occurred"
People commonly refer to it as a smiley?  I am Australian, and I have never heard of this being used in this context.  The only use of the word "smiley" is the same as everywhere else - the smiley face.  Also this statement makes it sound as if curb stomping is a popular practice, as it supposedly has its own slang terminology - which it certainly is not - here or anywhere else. 203.51.151.156 13:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard of curb stomping before I read it in this article.  A smiley is always ;-) to everyone I know who uses the term.  My opinion is to get rid of the reference to curb stomping; it is not a common usage and it is likely patent nonsense. --DavidHOzAu 05:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supposed Australian Usage of Word 

message: Someone found this article to be spam:
Extensive Smiley :-) article
I must say that I was really surprised to see someone think that way, I have worked my a** off to prepare article for the net.
Please review the link. Thanks, Borislav Dopudja 02:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing it wasn't necessarily an indication that it was a poorly written article, just that it is not appropriate for inclusion in this encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a repository of links. --MichaelZimmer (talk) 11:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smiley :-) article link 

message: Should we limit these to those that appear to be smiling?Pendragon39 17:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smileys using computer keys 

message: do we really need this? 206.248.139.177 07:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  background of smilies 

message: The Straight Dope article seems pretty authoritative. It has no mention of Franklin Loufrani. It also places the Spain brothers' creation at 1970, which would predate the current mention of Franklin Loufrani. The Franklin Loufrani paragraph is also unsourced. If no one can provide any further sourcing, I move that we delete this paragraph, which may well be self-serving advertising. Notmyrealname 20:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins

message: The article said "The two original text smileys, (-: to indicate a joke and )-: to mark things that are not a joke", and also "The reverse, or right-handed, smileys, :) have also gained popularity for being a way to avoid having text smileys converted to graphical representations".
According to http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sef/Orig-Smiley.htm the original was in fact right-handed.  Also, as far as I know, most programs will convert the right-handed but not left-handed versions.  I've changed tho article to reflect this.  ddickison 15:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have written about my motivations for using reverse smileys (which I have done for years) at http://www.asheesh.org/note/reverse%20smileys.html , in case that helps justify that section of the article. 21:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left vs Right handed ASCII smileys 

message: this is off the wall, but do europeans tend to draw smiley's with a nose, as opposed to americans?
for instance :-) vs. :)
:I don't think that's just Europeans.  I'm American and I've never EVER made a smiley like this -- :) RACiEPLeave a message! 23:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You have now :-) 109.155.108.202 (talk) 21:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  european smiley 

message: Hey, you guys are using a trademark without previous consent... OK, just kidding. Anyway, it's funny, but it's actually true. I think the "Frowny(tm)" episode deserves a section in this article. (http://www.beachbrowser.com/Archives/eVoid/Febuary-2001/Trademark-Frownie-Emoticon.htm) Any vote against?  Eumedemito (talk) 04:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  :-( Despair, Inc's Frownies™ 

message: _ _ This entry has no clear meaning; perhaps it is encyclopedic when restated & de-PoV'd by someone who knows something about Nirvana:
* The band Nirvana used there own version of the smiley properly reflecting the easy going 80's smiley, and showing that things have changed.
For starters, presumably it could better begin  
* The band Nirvana used a smiley variation of its own devising ....
(Note that a band can be "they" when its members all act individually on behalf of the band, as in "they played 'Old Zip Coon'", but releasing a record they played on, or adopting a finshed graphic that some of them initially conceived, is not such a situation: the band, whether incorporated or legally established as a partnership or not, does (not do) things (thru the agency of suits at the label or the artist who renders the graphic and a band member who oversees that artist), beyond or without individual acts by the members.) It also probably should not go after an older one,
* The band Blink-182 also used an altered smiley face with arrows (similar to Nirvana's) for the cover of their self-titled album in 2003.
as its contributor placed it, but immediately before it.
_ _ The whole section suffers, as these sections tend to, from 
# growing mainly by tacking on the only entry that interests the contributor, at either the top or bottom, 
# a jarring variation in style, and 
# lack of encyclopedic info. 
At the least, this discussion of the (possibly copyright or trademark protected) material sounds like exactly the sort of thing that the "discussion" provision in Fair use was intended to promote: the wording conveys almost nothing about the differences, in the absence of the images. So add suitably small images. Chronological ordering is also usually helpful (but in practice requires in the long term the addition of dates of introduction).--Jerzy•t 05:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inarticulateness re Nirvana; whole Music section 

message: Topic starts off with Ball... Who is he?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Preroll (talk • contribs) 15:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the article!  It says right there.  --RACiEP (talk) 03:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who the h*ll is Ball ? 

message: It looks like more than half of the article is devoted to where smileys appear or have appeared.  This is out of control and must be pared down.  Any thought before I remove most of it?Asher196 (talk) 02:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearances of smiley

message: The External Links section of the article seems to be getting too big, unwieldy and spammy. Is the section really needed, as is?
:No as per the reasons given above. --FeldBum (talk) 08:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no strong feelings about which ones to keep if at all. Readers can google for those sites with ease. But if links are kept there shouldn't be more than two or three and the least commercial ones should be the "winner". I just removed some links only to keep it tight (and maybe discourage spammers a bit).--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 00:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: No body mentioned Pilot Abilene's use of a disfigured smiley as his insignia? (JoeLoeb (talk) 23:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southland Tales? 

message: If you look at the history it's just vandalisme, revert, vadalisme, revert... We need to get this cleaned up and protected. Any good English writers here?  － Cy21(talk)  22:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, I am not the person for the job, but if that happens I would like to see it nominated afterward for good article status. Arlo Barnes (talk) 11:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs Clean and Protection! 

message: All I know about the subject is that you can do some crazy things on your keyboard that some people who may not know about. like this @:-) is a guy wearing a turban. Who knew how to do that?
Twizzlergirl (talk) 01:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What I know 

message: i don't understand ... if the original is public domain, how did Franklin Loufrani trademark it? anyone?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.57.184 (talk) 04:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  trademark 

message: It was actually most often called a "Happy face" in the 1970s; not sure the term "smiley" came into use until after the rise of computer emoticons... AnonMoos (talk) 12:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We knew the Smiley (as such) long before the spread of emoticons. -- megA (talk) 11:16, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: We should talk about its popularization at the hands of hippies. --173.3.154.230 (talk) 23:08, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ken Nordine's Cover for his 1957 jazz/jive talk album
[[Word Jazz] featured a strikingly similar, yet more sylized version of a talking happy face, which may have inspired the canonical version. Spikeysnack (talk) 03:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hippies 

message: So I just searched "copyright smiley" (without quotes) in google books. I gave up on page 25. The only relevant sources were the ones I list here. All of them say that Ball was the creator or that he is credited as the creator. A few of them talked about copyright; they said that a) Ball forgot to copyright the smiley face or b) the smiley face is not copyrighted or c) it is in the public domain. I found no sources that give a different creator, and no sources that say that the smiley face is copyrighted. 
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Newspaper articles do say that there is a dispute about the origin, like this BBC article and Guardian article says that a kid's program used "a crude smiley" but says that it was Ball who forgot to copyright it, the New York Times simply credits Ball in his obituary.
--Enric Naval (talk) 21:09, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harvey R. Ball as creator, copyright issues 

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message: I have some smileys from the late 60's which are not circular on the outside but a sort of blobby flower-like outline.   Are these smileys or something else ?Eregli bob (talk) 16:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flower-shaped smileys ? 

message: These pieces of clipart ain't them. Here's Ball and his; here is the CUR one; the Wal-Mart battle probably deserves one of theirs. All have much more pleasing dimensions that what we're seeing now.
The Straight Dope article linked above also points out that there are known earlier smilies from the '30s we're not discussing and "Have a Happy Day" precedes the '70s by a decade. — LlywelynII 11:05, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: the ACTUAL iconic smilies

message: I found a very reliable source that is very relevant to this article. It is from the Smithsonian website.
Who Really Invented the Smiley Face? --Mr. Guye (talk) 23:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree, Rghollenbeck, that Forrest Gump deserves mention.  Perhaps you should create a ==Popular culture== section on the page in which you could provide a brief description of the Forrest Gump scene.  allixpeeke (talk) 07:26, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very reliable source I ought to share. 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi, I'm coming here to explain my change  in a form longer than an edit summary. For some reason, I have never liked the "Smiley" in this article. I can remember not liking it before I even knew how to edit Wikipedia. To me, it just looks really ugly. I understand that this is a subjective decision, but there are good reasons to use the new smiley besides. The new smiley is more true in appearance to its 1970's history, and due to its smaller, closer together eyes and wider smile it appears much kinder. If you decide to revert my change, I hope you can find the time to reply to this thread. Thank you  Psiĥedelisto (talk) 04:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Future editors may be interested in the consensus reached as it relates to this topic here: User_talk:Psiĥedelisto#Smiley Psiĥedelisto (talk) 02:11, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New image for infobox 

message: It seems that there is a lot of confusion about Smileys vs. Emojis vs Emoticons, and I really think this line doesn't make sense:
"As the digital age evolved the need for smileys that were easily understood across all cultures gave birth to the emoji."
It references an article that requires WSJ subscription, so I didn't read it, but smileys existed before they were used inside texts, and emojis are inside texts - and smileys are generally understood across all cultures. I am considering to delete this sentence, because I consider it meaningless and misleading. Any objections? Dybdahl (talk) 11:34, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smileys, Emojis, Emoticons 

message: Chicken and chips is a British dish.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.64.225.176 (talk) 10:47, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  CHICKEN AND CHIPS 

message: You may want to include a muslim version aswell: 
 *)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:FE0:C700:2:A1D4:C8B2:A471:90DB (talk) 04:04, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muslim Version 

message: When you say 'The Watchmen comic series logo' in a caption there are some other pictures that could be used. Like the actual comic book cover. -Thanks Ooh Saad (talk) 13:31, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ermm.... 

message: > "In November 2001, and later, smiley emojis inside the actual chat text was adopted by several chat systems, including Yahoo Messenger."
I could be mistaken, but I believe AIM and Windows Messenger both implemented emojis prior to November 2001.   — C M B J   01:54, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internet chat 

message: The article referencing ("The Man Who Owns the Smiley Face". Vice. 10 August 2017. Retrieved 24 January 2018.) states "Despite smiley ideographs dating back to the 1950s, the term smiley wasn't linked to the smiling yellow face until the 1970s" IMHO the word smiley was linked to ideographs before the 1970s
Merriam-Webster list the "First Known Use of smiley Adjective 1848 " https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smiley  
On March 18 1922 the Gregory Rubber Company of Akron, Ohio  ran an ad for smiley face balloons in The Billboard 
The Erie Railroad had a good ambassador of goodwill name SMILEY  it not  THE "the smiling yellow face" however the is a smiling face (see http://elmags.railfan.net/ERIE_Dec1948.pdf and  http://cs.trains.com/ctr/f/3/p/256495/2870668.aspx)
In the 1950s the MA-3 rocket launcher [mode III "Smiley"] manufacture by Century Industries of San Pedro, CA [contract AF33 (600) 28547] it had a "painted smiling face"  (https://archive.org/details/sim_united-states-congress-hearings-prints-and-reports_may-02-1956-february-08-11-12-march-26-29-/page/627/mode/2up?q=smiling+  https://www.google.com/books/edition/Intermediate_Report_of_the_Committee_on/eojRAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Smiley%20%E2%80%9D )
In Helping Johnny Remember(1956) by Portafilms  two cartoon faces are drawn on the  blackboard: "Smiley" and "Sulky."  https://archive.org/details/HelpingJ1956
Do-It-Yourself, Carnival by Jane McHenry in Sarasota Herald-Tribune - Sep 7, 1957  states  "...Tape a paper plate to the mop head for a face, arranging string strands on each side for the hair. Draw a big smiley face on plate!...."  Jane McHenry assumes kids knew how to draw a "smiley face"  https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=-64qAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_GQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3995,1407077&dq=smiley-face&hl=en
Galloping Ghosts! by Bill Ross  Anniston Star ,Oct 26, 1958 Page 50   states "Collect six empty pop bottles and six cone-shaped paper cups. With crayons draw smiley faces on three of the cups and scary ones on the others" Bill Ross assumes kids knew how to draw a "smiley face"  https://newspaperarchive.com/anniston-star-oct-26-1958-p-50/
IMHO "Despite smiley ideographs dating back to the 1950s, the term smiley wasn't linked to the smiling yellow face until the 1970s"  should be edit out ----Bayoustarwatch (talk) 20:52, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-1960 usage of smiley and face 

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