Talk:Yakima War

message: I'll see what I can dig up.Skookum1 18:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps would be helpful 

message: basically worked at changing the language/attitude of the opening, not working from sources directly but from what I know of the period; I have some here but don't have much time to do a lot as I'm moving soon and also have my hands full all over wikipedia, esp in regional history/geography, but it's a time thing; but I happened to see the page tonight and knew that old opening line about "being in teh path of white settlement" didn't sit with me well, so I added some bits and pointing towards more, ie. background on Cayuse War, for one thing, and maybe a Native American source or editor/contributor might be useful/helpful here, too.  Many "Indian War" articles in their original form start out from, as it were, the cavalry side of things and wind up getting "Indian-ized" in the course of de-POVing; sometimes a tightrope and here I don't know Washington history well; my exposure to this war is the role it plays to the background of various tellings of the Fraser Canyon Gold Rush and the founding of BC and the other gold rushes along the border/accessible from where most of these wars went down.  What drew me tonight was the Battle of Seattle (1856) article, if I've got that title right.  BTW all of these wars to do with the, ahem, dissolution of the Oregon Country's former social order into wartime chaos should still IMO be part of the Oregon Country category; this would go right up to the incorporation of BC in 1858, which was the resolution of the British territorial claim north of 49, just as thesewars and the formation of the American territories were part of it south of the line; the timeline for the Oregon Country cat doesn't quite end in 1846, is what I'm getting at, though it does vary by event and topic; the colonies of Vancouver Island and Mainland BC I put in the cat, but nothing of them after that and only articles relating to places claimed by the US, ie thatwere in the Oregon Country from the American perspective, like Fort Victoria and Fort Kamloops....OK, that's 'nuff. Made some changes, kinda pointed towards where this article might go; I'll try and read something on the war to see if the rest below where my changes are is still POV-flavoured; this and its "sister" wars need a section on what used to be the Indian Wars page, wherever that redirects now (to something with a better name, finally).Skookum1 08:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  made some changes; haven't fully dePOVized and needs research/revision

message: There seems to be some confusion between the Yakima War and the Puget Sound War, notably (to me) in to which the Battle of Seattle (1856) should be assigned. Were these two separate conflicts, or merely an arbitrary division of an ongoing conflict or series of conflicts? How did the contemporaries experience it, and what do historians say? rewinn 05:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My somewhat lengthy response over at Talk:Puget Sound War. And yes, this article still seems in need of work. If I find the time, I'll try to help. Pfly 05:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Battle of Seattle is only somewhat related to either conflict. The Battle of Seattle was a Duwamish assault from Capitol Hill and Queen Anne Hill, inspired by their exclusion from Isaac's treaty offers; unlike all other major tribes, the Duwamish had been made no offer of a reservation at all, which they took to mean that the US had designs on their utter annihilation. The Duwamish therefore retaliated - although wholly unsuccessfully. Reports of Yakima or Nisqually involvement are wholly unsubstantiated, and likely the result of simple paranoia and lack of information infrastructure. --184.77.222.27 (talk) 21:27, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Yakima War v. Puget Sound War

message: Still haven't taken on the rest of the article after my additions, as I need to study the war before I can rewrite any of this; but I do know phrasing such as:
:General Newman S. Clarke commanded the Department of the Pacific and sent a force under Col. George Wright to deal with the recent Indian attacks. 
has a strong POV flavour; "Indian attacks".....similarly what prompted by earlier edits was that the fight was over the Indians being "in the path of settlement".  Many US Cavalry/Indian War-articles are like this but many have been corrected; NPOVized.  Just wanted to note this one phrase as it's subtle, but it's also a good example of the reason I've left the POV tag on here for the moment.  I've begun transcribing Hauka and Akrigg passages on the Yakima War btw; maybe ready later tonight or tomorrow.Skookum1 17:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Example of POV flavour

message: Just finished the first passage I'll transcribe, from Hauka's book cited on the Fraser Canyon War page.  It is here.  The passages from the Akriggs are much more detailed and lengthy so not sure when I'll sit down and do them; probably not today.  Hauka's footnote citations may be useful and I may add them, I haven't looked at them yet; some of his footnotes are sources, other further comments on events/people mentioned.Skookum1 18:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Excerpt from ''[[McGowan's War]]'' by D.J. Hauka

message: also on my sandbox page in transcription; I may add the Cayuse War passage that precedes it later.  Hopper doesn't provide detailed cites although he has full creds/refs in the back; his style is generally colloquial/storytelling - cinematic even; his are dramatic battle accounts and give good military detail.  Here's the new material.  The last page needs first-over spellcheck/fix after transcripto-typing but I'm done for the night; if anyone who sees this cares to fix it or any other typos please do; note that capitalization and weird word spacing and usages are verbatim from Hopper.  The profiles or Isaac Stevens and David McLoughlin are worthwhile; there is a passage elsewhere in teh same chapter about Douglas' policy and his relations with Stevens but I'll have to find it separately as it was in general terms, not next to this bit on the Yakima War.  Seems like there's a number of articles this material might be useful as cite/reference for; if you happen to think of any feel free to circulate the link; the resources page is, though my sandbox, meant to be a resource for everyone.Skookum1 08:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Account of Yakima War by John Hopper

message: I think the article is much improved since it was tagged and I cannot find any of the issues mentioned on this talk page that are still applicable to the article.--BirgitteSB 18:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I've mellowed ;-) Skookum1 (talk) 05:29, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed POV tag 

message: (and also totally unsourced) Sorry, not sure any other way to put it. It's essentially one, big meandering conspiracy theory that does no justice to this important historical episode. I'm redoing it. It's gonna take a few days, though. BlueSalix (talk) 02:07, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article is Terrible 

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