Talk:Higher School Certificate (New South Wales)

message: I am in the ACT doing the International Baccalaureate... I was talking to a friend of mine who lives in sydney, and the conversation about the HSC prompted me to check out HSC past papers online... I noticed that they are remarkably similar to the IB exams... was just curious if the HSC system was actually modelled on the IB system?? and if so, is it worth mentioning in the article?? 58.168.254.237 13:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The HSC has no relationship to the IB. WWGB 15:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: International Baccalaureate

message: This article states that the final HSC mark is partly based on a combination of internal assessments from years 11 and 12, however nothing from year 11 whatsoever counts towards the HSC or UAI; it is merely preparation. Should this be edited?
:Maths (practically the only course not ammended for more humanities based new HSC) can use assessments from year 11 to rank students, but this is usually not the case. Additionally, you have to pass the preliminary course. Kenneth Charles 12:39, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maths (or any other subject) does not use assessments from year 11 to rank students. The only effect the preliminary course has on the HSC or the UAI, is that you must pass a preliminary course in a subject to take the HSC course. Kafkan 12:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the current maths syllabus, year 11 assesments can count towards your HSC assessment mark. see ACE Manual, Board of Studies, pg 110. AndrewHarvey4 (talk) 08:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they cannot. Year 11 topics may be assessed towards the HSC, but not assessment tasks administered in Year 11. WWGB (talk) 13:45, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, yes you are correct. AndrewHarvey4 (talk) 05:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Final HSC

message: The UAI - "and is essentially an "overall" score for the student calculated across their best subjects." - this is not true. It is a rank for university entrance and that is all. Not an overall score. UAC etc go to great pains to point this out each year.
:Agreed, edited the page but added "this is generally considered, by students, to be representative of how they have performed" Xayma 13:51, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
"a student who achieved 50th-percentile rankings in subjects with an above average cohort would gain a better UAI than one who achieved the same rankings in a subject with a less able cohort." 
With the introduction of the "new" HSC (first year in practice was 2001) students no longer receive percentile rankings. They receive (supposedly raw - that is, unscaled) test marks against a graph showing the distribution of results.
:The marks are still aligned (often seriously), shown by FOI requests. Kenneth Charles 12:39, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A common criticism is that not enough people fail the HSC. Of course, this is all evened out in the UAI calculations, but the HSC is marked effectively between 50 and 100. This makes it hard to fail. Kenneth Charles 12:39, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: UAI

message: I don't think this artile is at all adherent to WP:NPOV but I am at a loss as to how to fix it. I propose we get something like a POV check done for it, by someone who maybe doesn't know anything about the Australian education system. (I'm still trying to figure how exactly you go about that process, though.) Thoughts? Even if you don't have a Wikipedia account, please feel free to comment.
- pfctdayelise 13:46, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As a year 12 student currently doing the HSC, it seems pretty accurate. The article itself is not critical of the HSC, it merely cites common criticisms of it. The wiki article about Hitler is hardly glowing either, but I doubt many people will claim it to be NPOV. Frob 07:36, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it cites them, it should provide sources. Otherwise, it's just weasel words. Common according to who? If they're so common, we should have sources running out our ears. I'm not saying it's never criticised -- but it's so political, which makes WP:NPOV even more important. Secondly, I don't think comparisons with Hitler have helped any debate, ever. See Godwin's Law. :) (Nevermind the fact that Hitler is one of the most heavily edited pages on WP - I actually think it would be pretty damn NPOV by now.) -pfctdayelise 12:39, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

text:  Should every American declare a conflict of interest when editing Dubya? I sat the HSC in 2001. Certainly most people will have an opinion about it, but I hope that they edit in good faith and with NPOV in mind, rather than advancing their opinion of the flaws of the HSC. WP is not a soapbox. Fair enough, don't you think? pfctdayelise 13:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

text:  Something like that can't be blamed on the BOS itself. The supervisors of these exams are human too - not to mention the majority of them being aged and old. --Vylen 02:58, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: Reference should be made to the old British examination of this name (pre-GCE). Jackiespeel 18:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has a separate entry, Higher School Certificate (UK). WWGB 08:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: British examination

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message: I don't live in New South Wales. As a matter of fact, I don't even live in Australia. But I have friends who live there. They told me that you can take the HSC early and go to college at the age of sixteen. Is this true? I do not see anything about that in the article. 
I was born and raised in Los Angeles, and here we have a CHSPE, which means we can take it and graduate high school at the age of sixteen. However, we have to attend community college before transferring to an actual university. I was wondering how it is over there? ★Dasani★ 03:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Especially talented students may accelerate to the Higher School Certificate in shorter time. Details are available here (see page 35). WWGB (talk) 06:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I read it but the wording is too complex for me to understand, or maybe it's that I missed that part... There are over fifty pages in that .pdf file. I read something about how they can take it if the child is incredibly "gifted", but what does that mean? They will be graduating from James Ruse next year... They told me, "Anyone in our school could take it, but we need the full HSC to get into a good college." However, this does not make sense to me. Because, well, it's a different country. Unlike the US, Australia doesn't really have a concept of a "Harvard", "Stanford", and such institutions. They even told me. I'm sorry to come out like I'm posting on a forum, but how exactly does that work? Do they progress to community college and then go ahead to a big four year like us? There's two versions of the test? I really don't live there and have never even set foot in this country across the world so I'm not sure. ★Dasani★ 05:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Taking HSC early?

message: According to this Victoria also offered a qualification called a HSC until 1986. Not sure, however, whether the two were one and the same or separate qualifications offered by different bodies. Hopefully someone can clear this up. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 22:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is/was a different credential. Every state and territory in Australia has a different education system, and hence a different leaving credential. WWGB (talk) 01:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for clearing this up. I think it's worth mentioning the Victorian HSC to avoid possible confusion for anyone who might come to this article looking for it, so I've added the correct info. It's in the leader at present, but you might want to move it elsewhere. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 09:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I've been thinking about this for the last couple of hours. As the two are unrelated I think I'll start a new article. Hopefully someone who is more familiar with the subject will be able to expand it. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 11:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victorian HSC 

message: The Age of Silicon is hardly notable of itself. I was going to AfD it, but perhaps it fits is this article. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 11:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Merged. And undid an edit that removed the merged text and proposed a merge. Comments to the merge and subsequent changes of its result should appear here to reach a consensus. WikiHannibal (talk) 12:34, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[The Age of Silicon]] 

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