Talk:Moab

message: source: the public domain Smith's Bible Dictionary, found at http://www.studylight.org/dic/sbd/view.cgi?word=moab&action=Lookup Note the copyright notice: "these files are public domain"
Edited to remove some anachronisms, framing text added.
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This is a classic example of why I believe a 19th century encyclopedia with a religious agenda is a poor source of information. The Moabites were a historical people. Their existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over Omri king of Israel. Israelites and Moabites had a complex relationship, as I hinted to with the Ruth reference. They were both Semitic peoples, who spoke virtually identical languages. They fought, but they also mingled. The biblical narrative has a clear agenda, when it describes the Moabites (generally as rivals). That should be described, of course. After all, that is the main reason the Moabites are known today--and they are known: a town in Utah is named after them. However, the ancient people known as Moabites obviously had a very different perspective on that relationship. We are not here to give the biblical perspective, but a historical/archaeological perspective (no matter how limited), with references to the Bible as one ancient source (and useful) source in understanding who the Moabites were. Danny
I agree ! And the page still needs cleanup today ! I added quote to the phrase "promised land" which was used in a way that suggests the land actually *was* promised. The text suggests the biblical origin of the Moabites, as incestuous descendants of a nephew of Abraham, is real. Nobel prize 4 peace 00:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: Moabite Religion. The Moabite Stone also called the Mesha Stele is believed to be the earliest reference to the name YHWH Yahweh the God of Israel as used in the Tetragrammaton.
Above unsigned comment by IP 99.188.109.122 on 24 April 2012‎
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thread_title:  Stray Comment 

message: See Kings II 10:32ff, it was Aram under Hazael not David.
4.249.198.165 (talk) 16:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong on Reuben 

message: :The Moabites did not defeat Omri- the Mesha Stele clearly states that Omri defeated them. Mesha is talking about a victory over Omri's unnamed son. -RomeW
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Should this be a disambiguation page for the various Moab entries?
:done, but kept this page as primary meaning, so Moab (disambiguation). Rd232 17:38, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong on Omri 

message: Anybody working on this page interested in the archaeological evidence for Iron Age Moab? Bporter615 22:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archaeological evidence 

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thread_title: Deleted external links

message: different sections of the article give different answers.130.86.14.25 (talk) 05:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: capital conflict:Is it Dibon or Kerak?

message: What is to be known about the Moabites' history outside of the Bible, what is just a bunch of fairytales? Any real datas could be presented, please?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.133.27.75 (talk) 19:55, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While I shudder at refs with "comp. also" notes in them, the article does include links to artifacts that are fairly clearly Moabite. Hcobb (talk) 19:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need REAL sources 

message: The quote from Joshua involves the tribe of Reuven and Gad who settled on the eastern side of the Jordan. They built what appeared to be an altar, even though sacrifices were restricted to the Tabernacle. That is what caused the other tribes to almost start a civil war until the facts were explained.  It does not belong in this posting. Sabba Hillel (talk) 19:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake in quote from Joshua 

message: Neither in the introduction nor in the history section are there any time references, not even centuries. Surely this would be possible to supply. __meco (talk) 16:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor cronology 

message: I could have sworn Wikipedia used to have a Map that showed me exactly where the Moabite Kerioth was.  The Kerioth of Judah gets more attention it seems because everyone assumes that's where Judas was from.  But there was some overlap between Moabite territory and Reuben, and I've read one tradition that Judas was a Reubenite, it's by no means old enough to anything definitive on, but if Kerioth was north of the Ammon River and in land that was part of Perea in NT times then I think it's an interesting correlation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.176.92 (talk) 09:29, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The exact location of Kerioth is unknown. If there was a map with a dot representing Kerioth, it was to a guess. This also goes for many other locations on biblically-oriented maps. Alephb (talk) 09:46, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exact location of Kerioth? 

message: My students keep using the main map posted here. It isn't terrible for Moab, but everything else is skewed awful. I don't know how to change it. Please do.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.131.67.2 (talk) 23:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion is more advanced at Talk:Edom#Territory: historical evolution; map deeply flawed. The map is SO bad and misleading that it absolutely needs to be removed. The WP user is better off without. Arminden (talk) 13:22, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It has already been removed from Edom and the History of Palestine. Elsewhere it's still in use. It has also been criticised elsewhere - and for many years now; we should centralise the issue, and the Edom talk-page would be as good a place as any. An overview of the discussions, with Edom first:
*Talk:Edom#:Territory: historical evolution; map deeply flawed
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*Talk:History of Palestine#Map of the Levant 830 BCE
*Talk:Aram-Damascus#Umomium?Arminden (talk) 18:50, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  MAP is so bad 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Moab (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 15:04, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: There needs to be a new article distinguishing the character Moab from the land of Moab. Editor2020 (talk) 20:57, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Article 

message: Who were the neighbours to the north in different periods? Arameans? Ammon? The map is not helpful and is contradicted by the Ammon article (see discussion started there). In connection to this, I always had a problem with the term "Plains of Moab". They are located immediately NE of the N tip of the Dead Sea/the mouth of the Jordan, so why aren't they called "Plains of Ammon"? Were the hills to the east of this Plain ever part of Moab? Nelson Glueck describes those hills as descending from the Moabite plateau. He writes that "south of the Wadi el-'Azeimeh, the eastern foothills crowd in towards the NE end of the Dead Sea, effectively closing off the Plains of Moab", and adds on the next page that the even more northerly situated Tell Nimrin "is situated on a western outspur of the hills, which rise to the Moabite plateau." So the Moabite plateau stretches at least as far north as Wadi Nimrin. What, then, is left there to be called Ammon? And when did Moab stretch all the way to Tell Nimrin, if not further north?
Ammon is a mystery on Wiki altogether, as between the historical memory of this (Bronze Age?) Moab going so far north and preserved in the biblical place-name "Plains of Moab", and the 830 BCE situation shown on the map we're using on several pages, where the Plains of Moab plus all of the eastern plateau of Ammon are part of the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria), there's hardly any time left for Ammon to cover that area, as it is stated in the definition of Ammon on its own page. The standard statement that the entities of Transjordan before the Israelites were, N to S, Ammon, Moab, and Edom, is probably a massive simplification, but what is the truth as far as one can know, century by century, or at least period by period? Very basic question, and it's impossible to figure out an answer from enWiki, and that's very poor indeed. Arminden (talk) 01:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The answer to the question "what were the boundaries of Moab?" is "yes". What is needed is a source describing the various options. A map will only show one person's perception that is bound to disagree with others'. Zerotalk 04:00, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You meant 'the answer is "mu"', right? Loew Galitz (talk) 04:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mu. Zerotalk 05:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where does Moab end and Ammon begin? Map not helpful.