Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philately/Archive 3

message: (this discussion has in part been rescued from a wider topic now in the archive)
I also find some inconsistencies in the categorisations. One instance: why is the :Category:Stamp designers not divided by country yet the :Category:Philatelists is divided by country? The designers have 41 pages listed without subcategories (I think that is good and clear) yet the philatelists, that are only 23 pages, are divided into 6 country subcategories. To my way of thinking the country divisions might only be needed when the number of pages in a category gets too large to handle and IMHO 23 pages do not need 6 subcategories. Besides which, if I am trying to find a philatelist, I may not know where they came from, but I will likely know their name, so removal of country subcategories in :Category:Philatelists would get my vote for simplicity. Maybe there are other examples where we are having to dig too far to find what we want. I hope you see my thinking here. ww2censor 15:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Re the "philatelists" category, I admit that backfired on me because and I could not be bothered to argue about it at the CFD.  I agree with you that there should be a single category for philatelists.  I suggest we raise it as a project discussion and then go back armed with a project consensus.  --BlackJack | talk page 18:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Support Subcategorizing by nationality is a custom at Wikipedia not a strict policy.  It grew out of the need to subcategorize before there were category table of contents.  Also, it is possible to merge all the categories and also keep the subcategories populated.  If this were done,  should be put on :Category:Philatelists.  People looking to browse through all Philatelists would be able to, and people looking for Philatelists from specific countries would find them.  It is a win-win solution.  If this is agreeable to the wikiproject, then there is no need to even continue this CFD because nothing will be deleted or renamed. -- Samuel Wantman 22:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Removing the nationality categories is problematic.  All :Category:People by nationality are broken into subcategories by profession.  By not keeping the subcategories by nationality, you are removing the ability to categorize philatelists by nationality.  I strongly suggest NOT removing the subcategories, and going with duplication instead.  In a short time someone will recreate these categories to complete the nationality by occupation categorization scheme.  Why fight it? -- Samuel Wantman 04:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Samuel, I think the underlying reason in this case is that those sub-cats were foisted onto us by the CfD page activists including "our friend".  If you see the archived discussion about philatelic categories you will know what I mean; the thing was that at the time I just could not be bothered to argue.  --BlackJack | talk page 09:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philatelists category 

message: Could project members please consider this which is in the deletion discussion where, incidentally, there seems to be strong support thus far for our proposal:
:::*Support Subcategorizing by nationality is a custom at Wikipedia not a strict policy.  It grew out of the need to subcategorize before there were category table of contents.  Also, it is possible to merge all the categories and also keep the subcategories populated.  If this were done,  should be put on :Category:Philatelists.  People looking to browse through all Philatelists would be able to, and people looking for Philatelists from specific countries would find them.  It is a win-win solution.  If this is agreeable to the wikiproject, then there is no need to even continue this CFD because nothing will be deleted or renamed. -- Samuel Wantman 22:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing the nationality categories is problematic.  All :Category:People by nationality are broken into subcategories by profession.  By not keeping the subcategories by nationality, you are removing the ability to categorize philatelists by nationality.  I strongly suggest NOT removing the subcategories, and going with duplication instead.  In a short time someone will recreate these categories to complete the nationality by occupation categorization scheme.  Why fight it? -- Samuel Wantman 04:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Samuel, I think the underlying reason in this case is that those sub-cats were foisted onto us by the CfD page activists including "our friend".  If you see the archived discussion about philatelic categories you will know what I mean; the thing was that at the time I just could not be bothered to argue.  --BlackJack | talk page 09:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feedback from CfD Discussion 

message: All philatelist sub-categories have been merged.  I put a thank you message on the admin's page.  Let us all celebrate the successful conclusion of our "conspiracy"!  --BlackJack | talk page 11:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RESULT of CfD Discussion 

message: Would people please not randomly cut-n-paste to make the archives!? If the archive is created "Sun July 30", the main talk page should not contain any postings dated prior to 7/30. If there are active discussions going on, then it's soon to archive, even if the talk page is long; for one thing, archives don't show up on watchlists. Stan 21:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So the topic including disparagement of my personal competence and character was "completed" before I was able to log back in and see what was being said about me? One of the reasons to make date-based cutoffs is to avoid the appearance of editing selectively to promote particular POVs. Stan 16:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I moved the topics into the archive and I did wonder about that particular one but you did say you were through and I decided to go ahead.  I don't blame you for being "through".  The CfD page clowns managed to get me to resign a couple of months ago but my chums on the cricket project persuaded me to return and fight from within.  I know you don't like me or what I do but I'm glad you're back.  You are a contributor.   --BlackJack | talk page 20:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving