Talk:British Mirpuris

message: Mirpuris are from pakistan. Government wanted to make a damn so paid mirpuris money to move. most used this money to come england instead of going to an urban area in pakistan. Hence when they came to england they lived like villagers and hence all the problems in UK with pakistanis, such as uneduation, forced marriages etc and failure to integrate in the community as compared to other more educated pakistani families. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.183.174 (talk) 19:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mirpuris are from Pakistan 

message: I feel its important to clarify the fact that "Mirpuris" started coming to the UK long before Mangla Dam was built. The earliest Kashmiri person to have to have settled in Britain is thought to have been a Kashmir woman called Jani who married a British office Major Robert Thorpe. The people of Mirpur have had a history of migrating to other parts of the world seeking work as limited agricultural land in the region and non-existent jobs in other areas forced them to go and work on ships in Bombay (or what is known as Mumbai today) a number of people landed in Britain while employed on ships mainly as labourers and chose to live here. The construction of Mangla Dam meant that the few who had stayed back and worked in agriculture had lost their livelihood too and sought to migrate. This migration had to be to a country where their countrymen had already been migrating to for a number of years, hence the influx to Britain began and thousands landed in England and other parts of Britain in the sixties.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.128.248 (talk) 22:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: RE:Dam nonsense, I say!

message: "Dear fellow readers / writers,
I feel the need to justify my well valued action on behalf of some of the Pahari community, of whom feel deeply offended by previous statements. The reason as to why I have edited the page, is that as for those of you whom do not seem to care much about "Pahari bashing", many people are chastisised and labeled "mirpuri", when they have carried no such label to their heritage seen as far as they can remember. Thus many see this as a derogotary term that outsiders use for them, should you choose to confirm this, do take the time out to do primary research and see on the internet or face to face conversation with Pahari people from the Pahari block of Azad Kashmir, how they are discriminated against by other groups and labelled a term that for many of them is alien, and some will tell you how much they hate the term. These people are Pahari speaking, now let us cease to have this "Mirpuri" nonsense and do justice to humanity, by seeing them for the people they are and realising how they feel and what they want. I shall urge you therefore to if you see fit add anything else to the page, but please do acknowledge that some do see this as derogotary" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.211.0 (talk) 20:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: In response to the previous mumble jumble hypothesis

message: Please people for sake of quality articles, can you keep politics to yourselves: I have made several changes to this article, as Mirpur is being referred to as being in Jammu when it is clearly in Kashmir, or rather "Azad Kashmir" or Pakistani-Administered Kashmir, I'm sure I've now covered all the political areas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Kashmir
""""Contrary to the efforts of many Mirpuri people to identify themselves as Kashmiri, they are from the Jammu area and are Jammuites. Many belong to the Punjabi castes such as the Jatts, Choudharys, Sudhans, Rajput etc. Kashmiris on the other hand are a Dardic people who speak the koshur language and are culturally and linguistically totally different to Mirpuris.""""
Please! Surely you have something against these people, however this is an encyclopedia, not a bashing wall! Therefore I have removed the above extract.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.230.26 (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mirpur is not in Jammu, it's in Kashmir

message: ^^^^To the above ^^^^
Please go read some history as well as geography. Mirpur is in Jammu, Kashmir is ONLY THE KASHEER VALLEY where the people speak kashmiri (koshur). Mirpur was packaged within Jammu in 1852 by the British who used the River Jhelum as demarcation of the borders between Jammu & kashmir and Punjab. Also the Pakistani administered area is ALSO CALLED Azad JAMMU & Kashmir (AJK). Please don't distort facts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.188.155 (talk) 04:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mirpur is in the Jammu part of AZAD JAMMU & KASHMIR (AJK)- Pakistani administered

message: I'm not distorting facts, on the contrary, far from it. Mirpur is no longer referred to as being in 'Jammu'. 'AZAD JAMMU & KASHMIR (AJK)' refers to the whole area of Pakistani Adminstered Kashmir. You will find no reference to 'Jammu' being marked as a district or a state on offical Pakistani Administered Kashmir maps, on the other hand 'Jammu' is clearly marked on official Indian Administered Kashmir maps. I would surmise that the local populace do not even consider themselves as being in 'Jammu', as it does not exist as any sort of entity, it once did, but not anymore. I think what we have to bear in mind is that borders change and names of places change, this has been a continuing trend throughout history. For example 'Mercia' was one of the kingdoms of the Anglo-Saxon Heptarchy. It was located in the valley of the River Trent in the region today known as the Midlands. Today, it would be incorrect to say Birmingham is in 'Mercia' and the people are known as 'Mercians'. Whether you like it or not the word 'Kashmir' has become an identity of the people of Pakistani Administered Kashmir even though they do not speak 'Koshur'. To give another example, take the word 'Afghan', though historically synonymous with the Pashtun people, is today promoted as a national identity for a whole range of ethnic groups in Afghanistan. It is quite lucid that your motives for this article are purely political. From what I can tell you seem to have an aversion for the so called 'Mirpuri' people. I suggest you get over it as life is too short and rather than harboring hatred, enjoy life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.230.26 (talk) 21:52, 25 December 2008‎ (UTC)
it is not AJK but   POK POk just like other side is IOK IOK  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.81.37.33 (talk) 14:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: Mirpur is in the Jammu part of AZAD JAMMU & KASHMIR (AJK)- Pakistani administered

message: Is there any proof that cousin marriages are a "health a social issue?" As far as I know, the genetic risk involving cousin marriages is very low.--Kohelet (talk) 01:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cousin marriages 

message: Considering the level of education I'm assuming some of you have since you can clearly read and write, I'm astounded that you have agreed to create an article on "British Mirpuris", this is absolute bonkers! For a number of reasons:
1) Mirpur is a district in Pakistani Administered Kashmir, a large number of people emigrated from this area to the UK, HOWEVER Mirpur isn't the only place! There are other places too, such as Kotli, Bhimber and Muzzafrabad. Do you propose on making separate articles articles for each group? So British Kotlians, British Bhim... this absurd I don't even know how that word would even end!
2) I don't see articles on British Kandaharis from Afghanistan or British Sicilians instead you have British Afghans and British Italians, I think Wikipedia would fast run out of space, imagine having an article on people from the various states of the US who have emigrated to the UK! It would be silly and preposterous! I hope I'm making this clear!
I seem to get the impression that some people are hell bent on ensuring that "Mirpuri" people are not even associated with the word "Kashmir" or "Kashmiri", seriously this has to stop. What really saddens me today is that people with such an agenda have succeeded in putting wool over the moderators to make this approval. I must admit I initially impressed with the above discussion and it seemed cogent arguments were being made but somewhere down the line somebody agreed to having an article on "British Mirpuris". I propose we have British Kashmiris and then have sub sections for the various groups.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.118.212 (talk) 21:38, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: Requested move 6 June 2015, wow what is wrong with you people? 

message: Following a request at WP:RMT I have moved this to British Mirpuris. There was some support for this in the RM above, so I decided to allow it through, although if anyone objects they can ping me and we can discuss the matter (I guess the long term stable title is actually still British Mirpuri community following the failed RM above).  — Amakuru (talk) 14:28, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved 

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message: The word Mirpuri only refers to a person from Mirpur. The whole state of Kashmir was and still is often referred to as the State of Jammu and Kashmir. Prior to 1947 this whole area was an independent kingdom and Not part of India. The area of Mirpur came under Jammu district before 1947. 
Since then the state split into 2 parts. On one side you have Azad (free) Kashmir which includes Mirpur as one district and on the other side you have an illegal occupation by India which includes present day Jammu city.
There is no language called Mirpuri...the language spoken is called Pahari and its other derivative known as Potohari. 158.181.16.168 (talk) 18:09, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mirpur is part of Jammu and Kashmir