Talk:Western Turkic Khaganate

message: Merge from Utigurs? Same as above. Utigur is apparently one source's name for the Onogurs, so that article should come over here as well, unless for some reason it is the English commonname for these guys. — LlywelynII 06:43, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See above for problems. — LlywelynII 07:24, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Object. See above comment for Onogurs. Utigurs is a western rendition of the Turkic term Utragurs/Ortagurs (Orta is Horde, Center, Middle), which means Center Wing (lit. Center Tribe), they were Onogurs branched into administratively separate division of the Western Hunnic state, which made them politicaly distinct, with their own role and history. Like Onogurs, they should be mentioned with Western Huns, they were their center, and probably with all successive polities where sources provide details, but their entire history can't be covered by any one of them.   Barefact (talk) 09:21, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from [[Utigurs]]

message: This article should be merged into Oghuz Turks as it seems to cover a fraction of the same history that is already present in Wikipedia. One reason for distance is conflicting terminology. Even if merger is rejected, the terminology certainly needs to be cleaned up and be consistent. The reason for previous merge suggestions came up is because much of the information is poorly distributed among a number of overlapping, disorganized articles. Major clean up of the whole project is required. Alex.deWitte (talk) 23:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Object, although I do see some valid basis to your suggestion.Kaz 12:33, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Agree your suggestion grew on me :) 62.255.75.224 (talk) 23:36, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Object: Oghuz Turks as a political power emerged much later than Western Turkic Khaganate . Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge to Oghuz Turks 

message: According to Denis Sinor, the view that the Battle of Talas ended China's Central Asian presence is incorrect, it was after the battle that China shot itself in the foot by interfering with the Turkic Khaganate's affairs and ended China and their Turkic allies presence in the region.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ST6TRNuWmHsC&pg=PA344&dq=Indeed,+the+Talas+battle+in+75+1+in+which+the+Muslims+aided+by+the+Turkic+Karluks+stopped+the+Chinese+and+their+Turkic+allies+was+not,+as+Gibb+noted+,'+the+deathblow+to+Chinese+imperial+traditions+in+Western+Central+Asia.+Rather,+it+was+China's+meddling+in+the+murky+politics+of+the+Western+Turk+Kaghanate,+a+policy+that+contributed+to+the+latter's+destruction+and+thereby+removed+the+only+serious+opposition+the+Muslims+faced.+The+Arabs,+however,+did+not+seek+to+establish+themselves+deep+in+the+steppe.+Instead,+they+retired+to+the+ribats+(border+forts),+oasis+city-states+and+rich,+urban+trappings+of+the+Khorasanian+towns.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8mFkU8zyJ67jsASwjYGQCQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Indeed%2C%20the%20Talas%20battle%20in%2075%201%20in%20which%20the%20Muslims%20aided%20by%20the%20Turkic%20Karluks%20stopped%20the%20Chinese%20and%20their%20Turkic%20allies%20was%20not%2C%20as%20Gibb%20noted%20%2C'%20the%20deathblow%20to%20Chinese%20imperial%20traditions%20in%20Western%20Central%20Asia.%20Rather%2C%20it%20was%20China's%20meddling%20in%20the%20murky%20politics%20of%20the%20Western%20Turk%20Kaghanate%2C%20a%20policy%20that%20contributed%20to%20the%20latter's%20destruction%20and%20thereby%20removed%20the%20only%20serious%20opposition%20the%20Muslims%20faced.%20The%20Arabs%2C%20however%2C%20did%20not%20seek%20to%20establish%20themselves%20deep%20in%20the%20steppe.%20Instead%2C%20they%20retired%20to%20the%20ribats%20(border%20forts)%2C%20oasis%20city-states%20and%20rich%2C%20urban%20trappings%20of%20the%20Khorasanian%20towns.&f=false
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Cambridge_History_of_Early_Inner_Asi.html?id=ST6TRNuWmHsC
Rajmaan (talk) 03:47, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  China and the Western Turk Khaganate 

message: I've found this 2019 Hayrettin Erkoç's article, which I deem useful in Wiki articles about Turkic peoples & Turcology. Can somebody fluent in Turkish incorporate info from it into relevant wikipedia's Turcological articles? Erminwin (talk) 02:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Turkish language]] source(s) 

message: Should these be at Wikisource? I think they are important and also rather long and excessively detailed for Wikipedia. Elinruby (talk) 04:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inscription texts? Comment