Talk:Holding (aeronautics)

message: Searching for 'holding' didn't turn up anything so I created a new article, I later accidentally stumbled across the article at Hold (aviation). Since it was shorter and hadn't been edited much I have merged it into this article. I reused the illustrations from that page. Rpvdk 10:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

message: As requested by User:Terraxos I've added references to the article, and I think it looks pretty okay.  Not great by any means, but better than start-class.  Therefore, I suggest we bump the article up to B-class.  Thoughts, comments, criticisms?  I'll bump the article up on or about 4/19/08 unless there's disagreement.  Yvh11a (Talk • Contribs) 21:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed.  Yvh11a (Talk • Contribs) 02:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bump article status 

message: This would be better at explaining a holding pattern if the article bothered to explain what a "holding fix" is. (74.177.36.93 (talk) 05:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  So...what is a "holding fix"? 

message: I find this very doubtful.  For one, ships don't have to fall into a holding pattern - if a harbour is full, they just stop - not something aircraft can do.  There's no way I can believe ships had to circle the island rather than just stay put if they couldn't enter the harbour.  And if the ships were to just drop anchor near the island, its shape to today's aircraft holding pattern would have to be nothing more than just coincidental.  Ships were having to stop outside congested harbours long before this man-made island was created.  I can't possibly believe that the shape of a holding pattern has anything to do with historical islands - it's simply probably the most convenient and practical shape for the purpose it holds for aircraft.  I'd delete this paragraph entirely, but since I'm not *sure* it isn't true, thought it best to flag as dubious.  If someone has any evidence that this idea is actually true, please cite a source.  Otherwise, if there's a general consensus, the paragraph should be deleted entirely.
:I echo this. I will delete it because it lacks any reference. I'm not sure if the paragraph is implying that ships were moving in a circular/elliptical pattern, because they'd naturally be unable to do that due to the wind. Furthermore, we know of many examples of big convoys in the age of sail loitering outside ports because they couldn't beat up into the wind. Anchoring near the inlet was often undesirable because closeness to the shore enhanced the risk of falling in lee. I don't see much justification in the paragraph for claiming any tie to aviation, and it reeks of fictition. 88.91.84.31 (talk) 12:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the holding pattern owes its shape to that of an island - really? 

message: I fly professionally in Canada and I have never seen knots abbreviated kn, the way the person who wrote the Canadian holding speeds rules does. It's always kts. It's difficult to read that way.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.174.136 (talk) 07:32, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Weird Abbreviation for knots

message: This article mentions the three types of HP entry procedures, (direct, parallel and teardrop) but omits the important information on how to decide when to use each one.
That information is provided in a diagram in this article: http://www.pilotsweb.com/train/pattern.htm
Choosing the HP entry procedure is probably the most confusing thing for pilots new to Holding Patterns, so I'd recommend it be worked in.  (I came here t this article, actually, precisely to refresh my memory of it.)
Koan911 (talk) 14:05, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Entry Angles

message: What is the difference between loitering and holding patterns ?
Could one of them be the "circuit d'hippodrome" as presented in French by the IVAO ?
(77.242.202.244 (talk) 12:55, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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