Talk:History of the Seventh-day Adventist Church

message: What the...? There are many, many more incidents pertaining to the history of the Seventh-Day Adventist church which aren't included, however this biological study is included. For example, the rise of many doctrines in the church and the Sanitarium are not even mentioned. I'm deleting the last section unless someone can tell me how it is more significant than other significant events not even mentioned. I feel as if some disgruntled ex-SDA has placed this here (not uncommon on Wiki!)m0rt 
  Three cheersTravb 16:50, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

message: 20:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually started this article with the intention that it would, on its own become more comprehensive than the main page article. Then the history section on the Seventh-day Adventist Church page would thus become a summary of the content here. Unfortunately I've kind of neglected this page... Guess its time to give it some more thought. MyNameIsNotBob 21:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: Is it valid to reference Adventists Affirm?  What I mean is, given the far-right position of the authors that make up the unoffical publication Adventists Affirm, isn't there a much better source.  If I were preparing an essary for submission in an academic setting, I would not reference Adventist Affirm for factual information.  In wikipedia talk: I think it is POV. -Fermion 09:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can understand problems may be had with Adventist Affirm, however I chose the article because of the author, P. Gerard Damsteegt, associate professor of church history at Andrews University and author of Foundations of the Seventh-day Adventist Message and Mission. So yes, the publication my be POV, but the author holds enough credence to class the reference otherwise. MyNameIsNotBob 10:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adventists Affirm? 

message: The following edits do not seem to fit on the page in their current pose, not to mention they were in the references section. They should be referenced, book sales links should be removed and they should be put in the appropriate sections:
:EG White stated that it was not in fact about the Law & Galatians. But rather about Righteousness By Faith. 
When Waggoner spoke, she said 'Amen Brethren, there is great light here'. But when someone got up to give their rebuttal, she walked out. 
White supported the message as given by Waggoner and Jones, describing it some 300 times as "The Loud Cry"; "The Third Angel's Message" and as the "Most Precious" message, in various letters to others. These can be seen in "1888 Materials" by EG White, published by the the Ellen G White Estate. No where else in her writings did she describe anything else as "The Loud Cry". She said that the message had been rejected "in a great degree". 
She said that 'The Lord could have come by now, had it not been for the brethren in Battle Creek rejecting the message'. She said that the 2nd coming would be delayed, that 'we might have to wait many more years'; her son said that on her deathbed she expressed the hope that her church might repent and accept the message. 
E G White's "1888 Materials" can be purchased from
http://www.1888msc.org/sales/books/
Ansell 12:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: What is Adventist in Adventism? An excerpt from A Search For Identity by George Knight. This looks like a good summary of the development of Adventist beliefs, a perfect reference for this page. George Knight is one of the church's best historians. -Colin MacLaurin 22:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helpful reference 

message: Found this on a website about breakaway movements:
:"First there was the Messenger Party, then the Seventh-day Adventist Reform Movement. In short order came the Shepherd's Rod. Herbert W. Armstrong launched the Worldwide Church of God, then along came the Branch Davidians. Next, the Brinsmead group, the post-Glacier View “Gospel Fellowship” movement inspired by Desmond Ford's attack on the sanctuary doctrine, then the Steps to Life home church movement."
This site is certainly not NPOV, and I do not recommend it overall. However the list may be helpful to the page if good citations can be provided. Colin MacLaurin 02:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breakaway movements 

message: I am realy interested into knowing more about my church history,I want to know about the master guidesand how they operate.I am realy looking foward in growing spiritualy and being able to do evangalism and give light to god's people who have been,who does not know the truth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.21.104.253 (talk) 16:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  the seventh day history 

message: I am glad that this page tries to present historic fact rather than complaints in every section. The IJ article has a section for complaints against the Adventist Church - which is fine, but that should not be sprinkled into each section. Otherwise the reader will not know if they ever did find out the actual belief of the church or just a complaint characterization of it. -- my name is Bob ;) -- BobRyan777 (talk) 04:47, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if by "complaint" you mean criticism, then it actually should be sprinkled into each section.  Per policy, separate criticism sections are not forbidden, but are discouraged, preferring criticism being spread out through the article with criticisms in the relevant sections.Farsight001 (talk) 07:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is one of the better Adventist pages on Wikipedia. Nice going! 

message: Are we expected to believe that the GYC had a roughly similar impact on the SDA as all events of the Mid & Late 20th Century combined? That's what the WP:WEIGHT given to it in this article appears to be saying -- all on the word of one of its own VP/co-founders. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 17:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the principles of Wikipedia is get started, edit, and the wonderful, experienced editors will show their goodwill and pitch in to make my feeble efforts much better. Are you one of those wonderful editors of goodwill? Certainly the 21st Century part of this article needs more balance. GYC is an important part of the 21st Century history of Adventism. More needs to be written on other aspects. eg. 
#The role of the new General Conference President as he puts his personal stamp on the direction of the church. 
#How will declining enrollment in Adventist boarding schools change the face of the church's educational program? 
#The dynamic interactions between administration and La Sierra University as it finds new footing within Adventism. 
#How will the success of both the 'conservative' schools, like Southern, and the 'liberal' schools like La Sierra impact the church. (Enrolment is increasing at both schools)?
#The sense of mission developing; Maranatha Internation, Frontiers, etc. 
#How will all of the turmoil of the late 20th Century influence the church in the 21st. 
#These are just a few of the issues which can broaden the scope of the 21st Century section of this article.
*In the next ten years, the active historians within Adventism, the larger Christian community, and among those who study the phenomena of faith and religion will provide us with third party sources and some day, perhaps soon, the 21st Century part of this article will have more balance. Want to help? :) DonaldRichardSands (talk) 19:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "GYC is an important part of the 21st Century history of Adventism." Please cite a reliable (preferably third-party) source for this claim. Given that no argument has been made for the prominence of this organisation other than raw numbers, and its "nearly 800 people registered" is only 0.004% of the "19.6 million worldwide adherents", this exceptional claim would seem to require an exceptional source, per WP:REDFLAG. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 19:29, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:WEIGHT 

message: Hi all, I have been vacillating between the two options, merge or try to maintain a separate article. I have put considerable history information in the 21st Century section on the SDA history article. But, this has made it unbalanced because little has been written about the 21st Century. Much can be written but so far there is little. Hrfan has shown these weaknesses quite effectively. He has also inadvertantly taught me a refreshing WP policy called Ignore all the rules. "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." I believe the GYC story and its development helps add to, or improve, Wikipedia. Your kindly counsel has been, and is, appreciated. Also, a few other editors have expressed an interest in a GYC article rescue. "An article should not be deleted just because it is ill-formed. Some writer worked hard on that article. Some reader can use that article. Those writers and readers, if reached out to, can help us preserve this worthwhile content." I plan to include this analysis on the talk pages related to this article, as a courtesy to all interested parties. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 04:10, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  GYC Rescue 

message: Some have supposed that the Union Conference idea came from W.C. White and Daniells and their experience in Australia. There is another feature to the 1890s Adventism, i.e. the organization of Districts in North America. These Districts covered several local conferences and had an appointed leader. This aspect of Adventism is not mentioned much and should be developed, IMO. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 17:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Districts as forerunner to Union Conferences 

message: This section intends to document Black History as it relates to the Seventh-day Adventist Church. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 01:11, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black History and the Adventist Church 

message: Hi interested editors, as I look over this article and consider adding further info, I am finding it cumbersome. Anyone else notice the same? There are many historical points not yet included. History of missions, for example, the sailing of the Pitcairn. I think we need a time-based outline. Any thoughts? DonaldRichardSands (talk) 04:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the SDA church needs an "events" orientation rather than doctrinal 

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