Talk:Vincent Schiavelli

message: The reductionist causal association of Vincent's pipe-smoking and his death is misleading. This is an assumption motivated more by the current anti-smoking zeitgeist than by evidence.  Unless you 'know' for certain, please remove it. Thank you. --Paleo1114  —Preceding undated comment added 11:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: Someone might want to mention that he was the voice of Pigeon Man in the Season 1 Hey Arnold episode of the same name.JayyTeaa (talk) 04:10, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey Arnold 

message: This article is seriously lacking any mention of Schiavelli having Marfan syndrome, and his activism in support of Marfan research.  I don't have time to add it myself, but the National Marfan Foundation has an article about his passing, since he was their honorary co-chair.  You can find the article here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.91.70.120 (talk) 13:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vincent Schiavelli and Marfan Syndrome 

message: Whoever said there is no such thing as a Sicilian ethnicity is ignorant.  Here is an exact quote from the article on Sicily:
"The people of Sicily are often portrayed as very proud of their island, identity and culture and it is not uncommon for people to describe themselves as Sicilian, before the more national description of Italian.[55] Despite the existence of major cities such as Palermo, Catania, Messina and Syracuse, popular stereotypes of Sicilians commonly allude to ruralism, for example the coppola is one of the main symbols of Sicilian identity; it is derived from the flat cap of rural Northern England which arrived in 1800 when Bourbon king Ferdinand I had fled to Sicily and was protected by the British Royal Navy.... Throughout history Sicily has rulers from a variety of different cultures, each of whom has contributed island's culture, particularly in the areas of cuisine and architecture. Sicilian people tend to most closely associate themselves with other southern Italians, with whom they share a common history. Of the ethnicities outside of Italy itself, Sicilians and other southern Italians tend to associate most closely with the Albanians and Greeks, especially due to the Magna Græcia and Greco-Roman cultures. This is exemplified in the saying "una faccia, una razza", meaning "one face, one race", a phrase sometimes use in reference to each other.[57] The island of Sicily itself has a population of approximately five million, and there are an additional ten million people of Sicilian descent around the world, mostly in North America, Argentina, Australia and other European countries. Like the rest of Southern Italy, immigration to the island is very low compared to other regions of Italy because workers tend to head to Northern Italy instead, due to better employment and industrial opportunities. The most recent ISTAT figures show around 74 thousand immigrants out of the total five million population; Tunisians with 14 thousand make up the most immigrants, followed by Moroccans, Sri Lankans,and other Eastern Europeans.[58]"
Sounds like an ethnicity to me.  They have a distinct culture, a distinct identity, a distinct cuisine, a distinct language (Sicilian is no longer considered a "dialect"; it is now considered a language based on Italian in the same way that Dutch is based on German, and with its own dialects), they have distinct physical characteristics, and they are geographically separated from the mainland of Italy.  The mere fact that they fall within the larger nationality of Italy is as meaningless as the fact Italy and France fall within the land mass of Europe.  And no, Vincent's decision to call himself Sicilian was not a "choice between him and his publishers."  Vincent was my cousin, and I can say from firsthand experience that he genuinely considered himself Sicilian, both in his writings and in his personal life.  Your implication that this was some kind of gimmick or shtick on Vincent's part is an assumption of appallingly arrogant and bigoted proportions on your part.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmacewen (talk • contribs) 20:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vincent's Cousin Andrew MacEwen 

message: When I get a chance, I may edit this text. It's important to note that his role in the film "Man on the Moon" was him helping re-create the Simka/Latka wedding scene from Taxi. He re-played the role he played on the old Taxi episode, as the priest. Taniwha 19:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Man on The Moon 

message: Fellow Wikipedians,
After following much of the debate here, I decided (as a Sicilian) to share with you some of my own comments, thoughts, opinions, and knowledge on this matter.  The alleged first settlers of Sicily were called Siculi and Sicani but no one knows from where these tribes originated.  The oldest artifact ever recovered in Sicily was an ornamental, cross-like pendant, found in San Cataldo.  It is believed to be a remnant of the "Siculi" (or Sikel) civilization.  Today a sample of it can be viewed in the Museum of Syracuse.  The original design dates back to about 1300 years Before Christ.  
However, we do know the origins of the first recorded colonizers of Sicily, Carthage and Greece.  Seafaring Phoenicians (from Lebanon), founded Carthage, and later colonized western Sicily.  In eastern Sicily, the Greeks founded their first colony (Naxos) in 750 B.C.  The Phoenicians bought with them their alphabet, making Sicilians the first European people to use one.  At one point, Syracuse was the largest Greek city in the world, even larger than Athens herself.
After the Punic Wars, Sicily found itself as a Roman province, beginning in the 2nd century B.C.  The Roman occupation of Sicily was the longest, and lasted nearly 700 years.  In this time, the Latin language slowly absorbed and replaced all others.  
In 440, Sicily fell into the hands of the Vandals, Goths, Ostrogots, and the Vandals once again.
By 535, the Byzantines briefly occupied Sicily, and at one point, Constant II established his capital in Syracuse.  
By 827, the Arab Muslims ('Moors') settled in Sicily at Marsala (Marsah el Alì) after the Byzantines retreated to Asia Minor.  They divided Sicily into three zones, with Palermo as the capital.  During their three centuries of rule, they bought with them great riches of science, mathematics, literature, philosophy, astrology, arts and mores.  They built water projects still in functional use today.  They also introduced citrus fruits and other crops to Sicily, as well as influencing and expanding the local language spoken in Sicily.  The three zones eventually turned into rivaling factions and their fighting led to their end of power in Sicily by 1060.
In 1072, the Normans took Palermo, under Duke Robert of Hauteville.  He eventually made his brother Roger the Grand Count of Sicily.  After his death, his son Roger II eventually took the throne.  With the death of his cousin William, Duke of Puglie, Roger II annexed all of peninsular southern Italy to his empire.  He was now head of the Kingdom of Sicily and he chose Palermo as the site of his court, making the city once again a Sicilian capital.
In 1191, Holy Roman Emperor Henry IV of Hohenstaufen ruled as King of Sicily.  
In 1266, the Angevins and Charles I of Anjou conquered the Kingdom of Sicily.
In 1282, the Aragonese and Peter I of Aragon ruled over the Kingdom of Sicily (also called "Trinakria").  At this time, peninsular southern Italy was severed from ruleship.
In 1479, the Spanish ruled Sicily under various kings.
In 1713, Savoy Victor Amedeo II of Savoy was made King of Sicily under the Treaty of Utrecht which ended the War of the Spanish Succession.  
1714-1720, the Spanish captured the Kingdom of Sicily once again.
In 1720, the Austrians and Charles IV of Austria were awarded Sicily.  Spanish aggression (and consequent control of Sicily and Sardinia) in the Mediterranean led to the War of the Quadruple Alliance, in which the British, French, Austrians, and Dutch declared war on Spain.  
In 1734, the Spanish and Charles III of Bourbon Spain forced out the Austrians and became ruler of the Kingdom of Sicily.    
In 1815, Neapolitan born Bourbon Spaniard Ferdinand IV of Naples (also known as Ferdinand III of Sicily) became ruler of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies.  This new kingdom is the unification of the Kingdom of Sicily and the Kingdom of Naples, per the Congress of Vienna.  The newly crowned Ferdinand I of the Two Sicilies dissolve the Sicilian Parliament and returned to Naples.  He also abolished the Sicilian Constitution and the Sicilian legal system.
In 1860, Kingdom of Sardinia soldier Giuseppe Garibaldi conquered Sicily.  He presented himself as a liberator to the Sicilians who endured centuries of harsh Spanish rule.  He later declared himself dictator of Sicily in the name of Victor Emmanuel II of Italy.
In 1870, the Kingdom of Italy (ruled by the House of Savoy) was completely unified with the annexation of Rome.
In 1943, Allied Forces landed in Sicily.  Before this happened, Benito Mussolini ordered all Sicilian politicians to the mainland to prevent them from siding with the Allies upon their arrival.
In 1944, American military brass turned over Sicily to Italian administration after turning down the idea of making it the 51st United State.  
In 1946, the newly formed Italian Republic gave Sicily its own autonomous status.  However, the Sicilian High Court was abolished (and transferred to the Constitutional Court of Rome), and the Sicilian President lost his power over the police.  In this move, Europe's oldest Parliament (1130-1947) died in its judicial form, although the building (Palazzo dei Normanni) still stands. [see http://www.ars.sicilia.it]
After paying close attention to the history of Sicily, it is quite easy to see how the island has always stood on its own, independent of any foreign land called "Italy."  Even more obvious is the fact that the concept, idea, and very name of "Italy" had not even existed prior to the mid 1800s.  
Sicily is an island with a rich and ancient history.  With a millenia of colonization, and centuries of foreign domination, Sicily has a history, culture, and language uniquely its own.  With over 3,000 years of history, it is impossible to argue that any Sicilian would feel solely "Italian" based on Sicily's relatively young relations with Italy, that began only in 1860!  
With that said, I ask you to think compare the situation with Hawaii and the United States.  Someone from Hawaii may be a citizen of the United States.  However, they clearly have their own ethnicity and culture.  In the case of Puerto Rico and the United States, Puerto Rican citizens have their native Spanish language.  Would a Puerto Rican or Hawaiian be condemned for exhibiting their cultural pride?  Would a Puerto Rican or Hawaiian tolerate the belittling of their ethnicity by any American?  These questions do not warrant an answer.  They were queried to you so that you could more fully think deeply about this matter.  
For those of you who say there is no difference between Sicily and Italy, I shall let the facts speak for themselves.  No other part of Italy can claim to have the same history as does Sicily.  Few other regions of the Italian republic have the Autonomous Status.  Few other regions of Italy have ever had their own currency or national bank.  The Sicilian School of poetry, was used as a model for the national standard, and the Sicilian language is studied and taught in Sicilian schools, in accordance with Sicilian law.  
For those of you who do not, cannot, or simply will not believe the facts, then it is either out of bias or ignorance.  And in that case, nothing will make you see things as fact, let alone from the respectful point of view of this Sicilian.  
In closing, I would like to share with you Dr. Gaetano Cipolla's essay "What Makes a Sicilian" in the hope that after you have finished reading, you will have a greater, culturally enlightened, sense of what makes a Sicilian Sicilian, first, foremost, and always.  
What Makes a Sicilian 
By Gaetano Cipolla
<copyright violation deleted, see otrs#2012062710000497 for more information>
This booklet has been published by Prof. G. Cipolla through "ARBA SICULA" a non profit organization, and can be had with a donation of  $3.00 U.S. plus $1.00 S&H, by writing to: Prof. G. Cipolla, Modern Foreign Languages, St. John's University, 8000 Utopia Pkway. Jamaica, NY 11439. Tel. (718)990-5203  http://www.arbasicula.org
--VingenzoTM 22:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sicilia 

message: Sicilian wikipedians are now quite accustomed to dealing with vandalism on articles related to Sicily and Sicilians, be that on :scn: (where I am a bureaucrat), :it: or here on en.wiki.  In saying this I do not discriminate between those anonymous idiots and those who claim to be following wikipedia policy and claim to be NPOV (when a very close inspection usually shows them for what they are, as POV as you can get, an insidious and dangerous form of POV).  That is because they have generally reached a conclusion without any knowledge of the facts, and are generally pushing a line that is a bit more akin to white supremacy philosophies than rational, liberal, objective thought.  I'm not going to add much more but to say that the article on Sicily has had a section on Sicilian-Americans for ages, and there is even a category called People of Sicilian heritage.  It is a non issue.  Apart from Sicily being an autonomous region within the state of Italy, it has to be remembered that its long history means there will be historically significant figures who are siculo-greek, or siculo-arab, or siculo-norman - but they cannot simply be described as Italian!  The distinction is a legitimate one from whichever perspective you wish to take (culturally, linguistically, politically and historically).   ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 00:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sicily]]

message: Note: when I refer to Italy and Italians, I refer to the inhabitants of the modern Italian republic, and all of its autochthonous citizenry. 
1. Italians? 
Outside of the literary tradition, there is no such thing as a unified Italian culture. All Italians are regionalists in one way or another, some being subtle about it, others very open. However they are all regionalist due to their culture, society and upbringing. Sicilians are not the only group of “Italians” that want to separate themselves. All Italians do. It is an Italian mental complex to separate themselves from “outsiders” – whether that be other families, other towns, other provinces, other regions, or other countries. 
2. Linguistic question
Yes, Sicilian is a language. And so are Sardinian, Neapolitan, Tuscan, Emilian, Romagnolo, Venetian, Ligurian, Piedmontese, Insubrian, and Friulian. The Italian that you hear spoken today is based on the literary Tuscan of the 13th century. Even modern Tuscan differs from standard Italian! A foreign student of Italian would have trouble understanding a conversation between members of the older generation in Pisa or Livorno. 
3. A history lesson…
All languages spoken in Italy are not dialects of Italian, but of Vulgar Latin. As time went on the upper classes retained some aspects of Classical Latin but the language of the common people changed over time and do to Italy’s geography it did not develop universally. Thus the local vernaculars developed and developed until one point where they could be considered separate languages. These were not truly written languages however that changed with the Emperor of Sicily, Fredrick II who founded the Sicilian School, a court-based school of poetics in the Sicilian vernacular. This School influenced the Tuscan School of Dolce stil novo which composed works in Tuscan and Tuscan poets translated the works of the Sicilian school into Tuscan. Sicilian is therefore parent language of Italian. Infact many scholars agree that had Sicily not have fallen under Aragonese and Castillian domination, that the national literary language of Italy would have been based on Sicilian and not Tuscan. But Sicily did fall under Spanish domination and with it came the Holy Inquisition that destroyed the Sicilian intellectual class thus impeding the development of the language.
Saluti distinti 
Matteo
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* Grazzi Matteu pû tò argumentu lumunusu, pricisu e chiaru - ju sugnu d'accordu cu tuttu chi dicisti. Salutamu.   ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 03:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Italy?]] 

message: a headshot would be nice.
Yes, lose the sunglasses.  Since he was "the man with the sad eyes", then need a photo showing his eyes!  Pekoebrew (talk) 19:47, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  better picture needed 

message: The article says he was born on 10 November 1948 and died on 26 December 2005, but it says he was 58. 2005 - 1948 = 57. Which is correct, the birthday or the age?--Jcvamp 02:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  58 

message: This Should clear it up. I spent a lot of time with Vincent while he was writing the first of his cookbook/family histories Papa Andea's Sicilian Table. We spoke about many things during that time and I learned a great deal of my own heritage from him. But I can tell you that for most of Vincent's life he considered himself an American of Sicilian descent. Towards the end of his life he embraced his sicilian heritage and moved to the town of his (and my) origin Polizzi Generosa. 
Phil Vilardi vilardip@aceasphalt.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.210.58.28 (talk) 18:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vincent's Cousin Philip Vilardi  - on Sicily Vs Italy 

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