Talk:Wreckovation

message: Do not delete this!!!!!!!!
There is no hoax with this item! It is a perfectly valid term that, as the article suggests, can easily be heard and read in many conservative Catholic circles to describe the banalization of Catholic Churches over the past 40 years. Please keep the article, as it serves a great purpose to inform those what is truly at stake with these deplorable modifications being made.
:I agree. This article does need improvement, but it is an important term that needs an article StThomasMore 03:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely don't think it deserves deletion, but it does seem to slant way to one side. I added the  template accordingly.  Canon Law Junkie §§§ Talk 21:54, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
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message: Can anyone add examples of wreckovation (preferably with before/after images if possible) to the article? Xwejnusgozo (talk) 14:59, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: The AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wreckovation ended as no consensus, but the concerns regarding WP:NPOV and WP:N were not addressed, therefore I put the respective templates there.
I support the suggestion of User:IgelRM to move the useful content into Second Vatican Council#Controversies and leave a redirect here.Jan Spousta (talk) 08:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose a merger. This isn't a controversy about the council itself; it's a controversy about (Western) church design in the years thereafter. I think that ample sourcing at AfD was presented about this topic. A page move to a more encyclopedic title, with a scope focused around those sources, seems warranted. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV and notability 

message: :::It seems three editors , , and myself thinks the title would be acceptable at Post-Vatican II liturgical design.  suggested a  more simple Post-Vatican II architecture which is more concise and Design could be added. It seems well established the article has issues. Per  these are editing issues. These naming suggestions seem far better than the current title, that is a non-neutral or negative Portmanteau. 
:::The suggested title, Catholic church architecture and design after the Second Vatican Council is not very concise. There are sources that deal with "Modern architecture and design post Vatican II". "Catholic church" could be added but it seems that the words architecture and design followed by "post Vatican II" self identifies as "Catholic churches".  --  Otr500 (talk) 05:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and the term "Wreckovation" has to do with post Vatican II architecture. The opening lead sentence states: *Wreckovation is a portmanteau disparagement term used since at least 2002". To me, the wording "disparagement term" is clear that the article fails to be neutral. Since the policy states: . "If" this is true then a name change is in order. There are many sources (including primary) that gives ideas on possible names.
*"Architectural Actions on the Religious Heritage after Vatican II", 
*How Successful Is the Post-Vatican II Liturgy?, 
*A Survey of Literatures on Post-Vatican II Liturgical Reforms in the Philippines, 
*Church Architecture Since Vatican II
*Post Vatican II Church Architecture and Art in Western Oregon
*Restoring beauty in church buildings
*Don’t Blame Vatican II Modernism and Modern Catholic Church Architecture  -- to just name a few--  --  Otr500 (talk) 06:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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