Talk:Works based on Alice in Wonderland

message: "In the RPG Megami Tensei series and it's subsequent spin-offs, Alice is a major boss and a summon that you can obtain." Please note that Alice is also a name and doesn't always have to relate to The Alice.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danyukhin (talk • contribs) 22:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The emphasizing 

message: Keep an eye out for this anonymous contributor, who has edited various Alice in Wonderland-related articles several times to remove all references to The Looking-Glass Wars. Wish I knew why. - EurekaLott 22:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: User 82.52.*

message: Kind of a brief series, but it had the name and I think Grace Slick's song was like the theme or something.--T. Anthony 04:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wonderland (TV series)]]

message: Shouldn't Serial Experiments Lain be under Animation or Television, and not Comics? Works_influenced_by_Alice_in_Wonderland#Comics
Also, there is a Cheshire Cat reference  (er, incident?) during the series which is not mentioned. Should it be added, or is it too insignificant?   --64.9.97.44 (talk) 06:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya, seems like it should be under Animation; please feel free to move it. As far as mentioning the reference, if it's not a continual part of the series then it seems like it would be better to keep it out -- readers interested in the more granular knowledge of the series can gain it via its article. Thanks. Quaeler (talk) 06:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I moved it. I also added the reference to the Cheshire Cat. If you think it is too much, please feel free to remove (or reword) it, thanks. --96.247.130.73 (talk) 03:47, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serial Experiments Lain 

message: The Dark Tower Series of books by Stephen King Are quite loosly connected with the idea of falling into another world, possibly dream-like, on many levels and i think the series is a worthy note to this page. Anybody else who has read the series agree?--Vagrantdead (talk) 02:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't. While I believe King makes a few references to Alice in the seven book run, the idea that Carol invented "alternate, imaginary, worlds" is ridiculous. The main characters who are transported to other worlds, (Father Callahan, Eddie Dean, Susannah Dean, and Jake Chambers) do not enter said worlds in a fashion that even resembles what is seen in the Alice in Wonderland series. Their experiences do not match or correlate to Alice's in any noteworthy way. If King wanted The Dark Tower series to be mentioned on any silly "Works influenced by X" page on Wikipedia, I'm sure X would be The Wizard of OZ. Bishoppendragon (talk) 07:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephen King: The Dark Tower Series

message: I had supplied the information about one of Jung's favourite quotes about Synchronicity being from Lewis Carroll's "Through the Looking Glass", Chapter 5, Wool and Water, wherein the White Queen says to Alice "It's a poor sort of memory which only works backwards". 
I had my personal notes from a lecture given by a scholar of the Jung Foundation in New York City in the 1980s. So I wrote it into the article. I didn't record the scholar's name or the specific date. The scholar had said it had been from his notes or letters.
So it's now been flagged as needing a full citation. But that's all I have in my notes.
Should I delete it until or if I can find the citation information out?
I am certain that the scholar said it. She was very clear on it. I asked some of my other friends who were at the lecture in the 1980s with me and they remember her saying it and it was in their notes too. But no one has the name of the scholar or date.
I could put in a weak but tentative citation like "lecture notes, Jung Foundation, New York City, 1980s" but this is not up to snuff.
Any ideas would be appreciated. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 22:10, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I temporarily removed it because of the "mere reference" debate.  It still exists on the synchronicity page.  I received my book of Jung's letters, but didn't see anything in there or in the Archetypes book from his collected works.  I really stumped on this citation.  I would suggest you ask the people here who came to the "mere reference" consensus before putting it back, though.  Let's keep it on the synchronicity page, though. Jok2000 (talk) 21:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jung and Lewis Carroll 

message: theres a characher in the video game rage of the dragons thats obviously based on alice of wonderland 
bte i like influenced by  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.246.94 (talk) 06:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RAGE 

message: Notice a revert on this one.  I just did a google on "ghibli spirited away alice" and most reviewers call it "reminiscent" (roughly).  Probably doesn't qualify as "based on", then. Jok2000 (talk) 18:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spirited Away 

message: Anyone want to explain this one? APL (talk) 18:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transformers : Revenge of the Fallen 

message: I merged Medicine with Science and moved it and "New Media" down the page because I think they are less important that the literary retellings etc. -- Evertype·✆ 09:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Science and Medicine

message: Some of the films listed in the "Film" section have very few similarities with "Alice in Wonderland". It seems as if someone just went looking through a list of movies, slapping labels on any they could to match a quota of Alice in Wonderland films. For example, look at the ridiculous entry for "Freddy versus Jason". Wow, he turns into a caterpillar! The resemblance to this book is uncanny! (Huey45 (talk) 03:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Films 

message: There is no qualitative distinction between an "adaptation" and works that are merely "based on" the characters/books.  None of them are "direct and complete adaptations"; they all have changes and omissions, as that is the nature of adaptation.  That fact that so many editors consider the 2010 Tim Burton film an "adaptation" demonstrates the lack of a consensus, and I feel that the arbitrary distinction that editors have tried to make is not only a violation of WP:OR and WP:NPOV, it's a waste of time to keep enforcing. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 18:49, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This thread does not belong here; it belongs on the Alice in Wonderland Talk page. Please take it there. Thank you very much. -- Evertype·✆ 21:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is where the merge tag directed discussion, so it seemed an appropriate place.  If you have not taken it upon your own authority to remove all merge tags from that article, there would not be a problem. Thank you very much for refraining from this mistake in the future. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 05:04, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion belongs on the Alice in Wonderland Talk page. Why not go there and make some sort of case rather than getting all tied up because I reverted edits (by you) that cause confusion. I have invited you three times now to start a thread on that Talk page, and all you've done is ranted about authority. Please use the Alice in Wonderland Talk page to discuss your concerns, rather than worry about whether your tags were reverted. Sheesh. -- Evertype·✆ 08:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record: The above is an inaccurate representation of what happened. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 23:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge "adaptations" from [[Alice in Wonderland]] 

message: I removed items from this list which were based specfically on Jabberwocky (the story within the story) rather than the storyline of the Alice books, because it seemed they were more properly "based on Jabberwocky".  If others disagree with this approach, I don't object to them being added back. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 14:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please add them back. -- Evertype·✆ 18:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Jabberwocky

message: This may have some "in popular culture" items in it, but that does not make it "an in popular culture" article. -- Evertype·✆ 10:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just your POV. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 10:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's dismissive. Do all articles listing works "influenced by" or "based on" another work belong to a category "in popular culture articles"? -- Evertype·✆ 11:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: In popular culture tag

message: I notice that some time back someone rearranged the subject matter here in alphabetical order. That was a bad idea. The first works based on or influenced by Wonderland were literary, and that is likely the first sort of thing people will expect to see. Art and Comics are given too much weight by having been fronted as they currently are. I'm a fan of alphabetical order, but not in an article like this. -- Evertype·✆ 10:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I am normally all in faviour of alphabetical order, but not when it unbalanced the article. Let's move it back.--SabreBD (talk) 13:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  though I wouldn't mind discussion about fine-tuning it. -- Evertype·✆ 17:20, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad reorganization

message: Wonderful wonder world is a japanese comic based on the game Heart no kuni no Alice and that Game is listed on the article, so it shoul be listed in "Comics", too, doesn't it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.22.242.168 (talk) 14:18, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wonderful wonder world 

message: OK, alphabetical order is NOT A GOOD IDEA for this article. The first and most important works based on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland are literary retellings, sequels, and parodies—NOT films and video games. A year ago we had consensus not to use alphabetical order. I will fix this again now. 09:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is virtually a repeat of my support two topics above, but yes, you are right, alphabetical order makes this article almost impossible to navigate. Thanks.--SabreBD (talk) 09:34, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  -- Evertype·✆ 10:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: More bad reorganization

message: I cannot add them, because I don't know the Wikipedia-like writing but for instance, the "America's Best Dance Crew" 1st season Crew winners were the JabbaWockeeZ (based on the name of the Jabberwocky). And, in animations and/or comics, the DC comics series "Young Justice" character Cheshire is highly based upon the Lewis Carroll character.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.114.248.15 (talk) 01:50, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little trivial additions 

message: What are the inclusion criteria here? I don't see any above so I'd like to suggest this:
# No entries for works that do not have articles of their own. This is to weed out non-notable entries (including those with only external links, some of which could be linkspam).
# The linked article has to already include an explanation of the connection with Alice in Wonderland. This is to weed out entries where the connection is Original Research. If the connection is valid then it should be added to the linked article before it is added here.
What do we think? Can we adopt this? It seems to be in line with the way we treat other list articles and would mean that bad entries can be dealt with with all the summary efficiency of the Queen of Hearts. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:45, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: While I recognize this reply is several years too late, this was a good idea, and I have effected it. Gimubrc (talk) 15:34, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion criteria, a proposal 

message: Should not the Alice in Wonderland (1985 film) be here since it's a direct adaptation?  Another was the one aired on NBC, the Alice in Wonderland (1999 film) by Dyson Lovell -- John Mauney 16:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Irwin Allen's 'Alice in Wonderland' for US TV

message: This band seems to have been completely overlooked. I've no idea whether the  band's name originally refers to the same Alice but they have certainly played with the association elsewhere. I think some of the inner sleeve artwork on the album "Dirt" is based on Tenniel's drawings - I may be misremembering this - but certainly some of the band merchandise did use this trope. If you have the time and patience this may be worth looking into.-213.205.241.112 (talk) 12:28, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alice in Chains