Talk:Pattaya

message: Uh... there's so much stuff to be done to this article I'm not even going to BOTHER editing it! As of the person before me:
"That is what Wiktravel is for."
This article is extremely misleading!
117.47.195.141 (talk) 03:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs citations

message: quote: "The city's economy benefits from its relative proximity to Bangkok." unquote
there are so many places with the same or similar 'proximity to bangkok' (over 160km) which do not benefit, that this is a laugh! 
the plain truth is simplier: the city's economy was built on and benefitted from its proximity to the america greenbacks from u-tapao (mere 30km from pattaya). see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Tapao_Royal_Thai_Navy_Airfield. while the americans bombed vietnam, the thai anti communist politicians sacrificed the souls of many poor isan girls, turning pattaya into the country's largest whorehouse, infamous all over the world. that are the naked facts, which cannot be denied seriously. wikipedia should be true and not a billboard for the pattaya tourism office.............Scyriacus (talk) 17:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Euphemism or even doublespeak (called facelift!)

message: WHO IS DELETING ABOUT JIM'S MAY I KNOW PLEASE?
I have; This is not an billboard, nor is it a flyer for your business.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainwalk (talk • contribs) 08:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shopping

message: It strikes me that this article could really do with a reality check. The description makes it sounds more like HK Disneyland than one of the largest brothel towns in the world. I am all in favour of representing both sides of Pattaya but this article is not far from being outright misleading. At the very least this article violates undue weight rules: WP:NPOV#Undue_weight ; I would argue for the  return of a NPOV tag NickCwik 12:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV issues - underplaying the night-life issues

message: Do we have a source for "the real population is probably closer to 500,000"?   I don't know what area that 500,000 is supposed to be living in (what are the limits of Pattaya city?), but that seems a remarkably high figure. HenryFlower 18:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you driven around Pattaya Recently? I think 500,000 is a bit conservative.
With regard to the population issue, you need to be aware that this should refer to a "registered population". In Elections for example, only people who are registered as resident in Pattaya can vote in Pattaya. When there are elections, if a bar-girl wants to vote, she has to return to her home town to do so. The suggestion that there might be a population of 500,000 is possible, but only if you count the number of transient workers and tourists!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.141.171 (talk) 16:14, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: "Comment: The term "prostitution" used above is a western concept in a foreign land. Americans go on 'dates' where a woman/man may be expected to have sex after seeing a movie and/or having dinner with a 'friend'. In Thai traditional culture, a woman or man expects to receive a 'gift' for entertaining a man, or a gift may be presented to receive entertainment. Such entertainment may include sex and the man may be a close friend or a total stranger. Likewise, the gift may be money, but most women or men do not think of the process as 'prostitution', but instead think of it more like the American term 'date'.... Some foreign residents do not offer money to the women they 'date' and have some success with their partners.."
Whoever worte this has not spent more then 2 min in Thailand. Prostitution is a Thai (not to mention GLOBAL) concept. In Thai traditional culture there was no "dating" as in the western sence but it now common, and while some people may end the date with sex, it is a personal choice of no cultural requierment. Infact it is frownd apon in by the older generations it's kind like teh 1950's here in terms of sexual-freedom. Going out generaly is done in groups (safety and keeps cost down) but there is no expectation (only the universal hope to get some) of a "gift". Finally Prostitution is a very common business here, mostly catered to Thai men... my point is that the above should be removed and that prostitution is a common concept in Thailand as it is in the west, the only diffrence being the way it is preceved by the diffrent cultures.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.91.188.156 (talk) 15:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF 

message: "Unlike Bangkok, Pattaya has no magical mystery hidden in aesthetic corners, and it makes no pretence of being anything more than what it is: - an unbeatable combination of essential, thoroughly satisfying holiday ingredients."
The entire indtroduction runs along this tone. This is more of a travel brochure for the city than an encyclopedic article.--129.173.121.142 17:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added NPOV tag 

message: * Pattaya Discovery
This website could be good with the other external links but with the semi-protection, I can't add it ( I used to do some articles 2 years ago here and that was easy on that time )  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwengoat (talk • contribs) 04:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  One more external link 

message: I will work on removing the travel guide data. It is a big task, and will take time. Rak-Tai (talk) 18:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A project being cleaned up 

message: Once again (as has been the case several times in the past as I read the talk page) the question of prostituion has been brought up. In the latest revisions of the page all references to it have been removed. Surely we can for once and for all agree on a fairly weighted, matter of fact, mention of this aspect of the city. If one looks at the Amsterdam article, one can see the issue covered in a sensible way. Niehter glorifying, promoting nor hiding the issue. It should not be overplayed, yet I would think anyone who knows the city would agree it can not be ignored altogether. This would simply not be encyclopaedic. GoScoutUK (talk) 02:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: GoScout, I agree.  Unfortunately, this article receives and inordinate number of salacious entries on prostitution and 'nightlife', owing more, I believe, to observations and experiences of the contributors, than to any encyclopaedic information or authoritative references.  The result seems to be an overreaction and effort to 'cleanse' the article of any/all hints of it.  Both are less then helpful, and neither gets to objective and useful information on this very real component of the economy, lifestyle and culture of Pattaya.   I agree with your observation, and your opinion.  I would gladly support any edits along these lines which you would see fit to incorporate into the article.  - Thaimoss (talk) 12:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of references to prostitution

message: I have been changing the existing names of area towns in the article as to the Wikipedia standards: "Use the most easily recognized name.
Generally, article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize."
The names that I use are those commonly used in Thai English newspapers, and publications in Pattaya, as well as the Thai Post Office (when written in English.) Please rspond to me if you have a different opinion. Rak-Tai (talk) 02:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the history, your edits seem to have caused inconsistency with existing Wikipedia articles, breaking links for some. We generally follow the Royal Thai General System of Transcription for places and other names which don't have an established spelling. (Pattaya is among the exceptions; it would be spelled Phatthaya under the RTGS.) You might want to look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thailand#Updating the Manual of Style (part 2) (specifically the Romanization subsection) and comment on the draft at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Thailand-related articles)/Draft. The discussion is currently inactive, but the romanization issues have generally been fairly uncontroversial. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I fully agree with Paul, especially for the names of districts, subdistricts and towns we have recommended spellings which all follow the RTGS transcription. The street signs more and more follow these spellings, so there is no need to follow the cheap English so-called newspapers of Pattaya in their preferred spellings. I am not fully sure, but the only serious big newspapers (The Nation and Bangkok Post) use the recommended spellings for locations as well. So it would be simply stupid to use a different transcription scheme when there is a standard (which has its limitations however) available. andy (talk) 11:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Hey, Rak-Tai (รักไทย), you've been doing great work cleaning up the Pattaya article - Keep it up!   Paul_012 and Ahoerstemeier (Andy) are highly experienced editors, having contributed tons to many many Thailand-related articles. You're getting the good scoop from them.  The transliteration has always been a challenge.  I learned to read (and eventually write) Thai simply because I was so tired of the different transliteration "standards".  Tell you though, its ironic to me personally that this one come up in the context of Pattaya.  When I lived in Bangkok, I always got a huge laugh from my best experience in transcription confusion, which was about Pattaya - When I would drive to Pattaya, at one of the toll boths on the expressway, immediately as you approached the toll, the official government large green highway signs said "Pattaya" and the next official government large green highway sign visible from the tool booth (just a couple hundred feet onward; you could almost see them both at the same time) said "Phatthaya" ;-)  - Thaimoss (talk) 12:38, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Thank you for directing me to the Manual of Style, which reinforces my edits.  I have read the sections on Romanization, namely: 
Romanization Based on the above discussion, I propose that the Manual of Style recommend that for general cases:
For Thai-language terms, use the established English spelling of the word, if available. Otherwise, the Royal Thai General System of Transcription should be followed when romanising Thai words into English.
Having maintained a residence in Pattaya for 15 years, I have observed a slowly-developing consistency in the re-naming of streets and other sites in English words. You might look at the site of Bangkok Pattaya Hospital. They are a respected hospital used by educated foreigners, and their use of English is far from "cheap." They identify their address with "the established English spelling." Please remember that Wikipedia is used primarily by English readers looking for information. I think it is imperative that they be given information that they will recognize should they visit Pattaya. In my own case, some time ago I wanted to identify my residence in Google maps. I live on Pratumnak Road, and surely know how to spell my address (as does the local post office). After a long search, I discovered they called my street Phra Tamnak. I assure you that myself and my English-speaking neighbors do not live on nor write our address as Phra Tamnak. Kindly look in Google at the spelling of hotels and condos there. They use the accepted English spelling. Furthermore, I think all the Pattaya names should be consistently spelled "according to the established English spelling throughout the articles in Wikiperida. Rak-Tai (talk) 17:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

text: There is NO accepted spelling. Maybe in Pattaya most write it as Pratumnak, in Bangkok the most-widely used spelling might be Phratum Nak and so on. It is really sad Google did choose to use a transcription on their own, not following the only standard it has. And they use it inconsistently, in Google Earth it has layers with different spelling for the same places, even the provinces deviate from the widely accepted RTGS spelling. Why shouldn't we be the good guys following the Royal Institute consistently? If a place is very commonly spelled differently, there's no problem with adding this variant in the header, but at least the article should be located at the standard spelling. Otherwise we will quickly have 20 articles on the same topic, instead of one good one, or one article using different spellings within different sections - both far from the quality level Wikipedia could reach. andy (talk) 19:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming conventions

message: Some sections are still  reading  like a tourist  guide.  --Kudpung (talk) 13:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your deletions. Keep up the good work. R/T-รัก-ไทย (talk) 17:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I  have now attempted a major cleanup, section by  section, but  fear I  still may  not  have been bold enough. Particluar attention is still needed to  some sections that employ a 'brochure-like' style rather than the dry, neutral style that  is required for an encyclopedia. There is still  far too  much detail  in  the tourism  section: an encyclopedic article should really be about  Pattaya, but  not  fine details about  everything  that  goes on  there and where it  happens. There are other Wiki  projects that  will welcome this information and links can be made to  them.--Kudpung (talk) 04:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I  have removed this photo. In  my  opinion, it is too  vague, shows only  the tops of two  deckchairs, some sea, two  beach balls bobbing in the water, no  beach, and could be anywhere in  the world. It  therefore does not  serve to  illustrate the article.--Kudpung (talk) 12:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the commercial tourist destination references probably taken from a local tourist guide. R/T-รัก-ไทย (talk) 02:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourist guide 

message: I note that the word Jomtien has recently been removed and replaced wholesale by Chom Thian. OK we all know that there are different ways to anglicise Thai words and I have seem Chom Thian on one road sign. However the majority of signs, including the arch by the beach over the Thappraya Road all use Jomtien. I feel this change could be confusing. Does anyone else agree? Should we change it back? GoScoutUK (talk) 02:20, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jomtien vs Chom Thian 

message: I don't know where the White Buddha photograph is from but it is not the Buddha statue at Wat Khao Phra Bat Pattaya , please get back to me on this point since I am living in Pattaya and will get the correct photograph. The Buddha at Wat Khao Phra Bat Pattaya is a golden statueRichardUK2014 (talk) 15:56, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the file description page, that photo is from c.1983–84. A brief Google search confirms that the Buddha image was painted gold sometime later. If you would like to contribute a more up-to-date photo, please feel free to do so. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

text: You can upload to the Wikimedia Commons without having to wait the four days for autoconfirmed status. Click here to go to the Commons upload wizard; the same login should work for all Wikimedia projects. Be sure to only upload images that you created yourself, or that are freely licensed. (You'll find further details over there.) --Paul_012 (talk) 16:44, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

text: You should talk to Steinsplitter, the Commons admin who deleted the image. Explain that you are the creator of the image, and that the deletion might have been a mistake. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:28, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Buddha Statue Image 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This sentence is obviously nonsense: "Pattaya was a fishing village until Nick Ahnat Wuethrich arrived there and open all the gogo bars in Walking street with Wäespi." The whole paragraph is anecdotal. If no-one knows the actual history of Pattaya we should not just publish anecdotes in its place. Constant Pedant (talk) 12:46, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandalism from over a year ago. Reverted. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:12, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Nonsense

message: " Within a month of the completion of the restoration of the first 400 m of Pattaya Beach, the work was "seriously damaged" by kangaroos. " I've never seen a kangaroo on Pattaya Beach.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2403:6200:8810:6D97:8C43:3F19:D98C:ADB0 (talk) 09:14, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Kangaroos

message: It seems this section needs vitiating or removal: “ Pattaya police arrests tourist all time. If you drive a small scooter they will arrest you at least 3 times a day : check your driving license if you have it on you. On the side you will see many drivers without helmets but they won't be checked.
” 2603:7000:8A00:AC96:2420:6A34:249A:8A7A (talk) 18:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird addition 

message: In the Festivals section, the Miss Tiffany Universe pageant is referenced and described as an event where "Thailand's most beautiful transgender persons and transsexuals vie for first place." I strongly recommend that this be edited to say "During the four-day pageant, transgender individuals compete for first place...". The term transsexual is slightly outdated, especially in its plural form, and can be offensive. Saying "transgender individuals" is sufficient as transgender can be an umbrella term. SlipknotRlZZ (talk) 02:55, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transgender vs transsexuals