Talk:Philippines/Archive 4

message: Tagalog is the national language of the Philippines , also with 7,000 different Filipino  languages. I am Alisa a true blooded Filipino. I know the main language called the Tagalog.--68.111.188.241 22:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference between Filipino & Tagalog has been the subject of debate for a long time.  Philippine linguists whom I have conferred with (to avoid weasel terms - Rubino, Lobel, Reid, Zorc, etc.) agree that there are no differences between Tagalog & Filipino.  Filipino is simply a dialect of Tagalog that was renamed to Filipino in 1987.  What you have described of Filipino is also true for Tagalog. Tagalog, in its over hundreds of years of existence, has incorporated words from various Philippine languages (especially Kapampangan), Spanish, Chinese, and others.  --Chris S. 22:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagalog?

message: I read somewhere that the shortened form for "Philippine Standard Time" is PHT, since PST already corresponds to "Pacific Standard Time." --Howard the Duck 13:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: PAGASA though still uses PST officially.  You can even check their clock on the PAGASA website.  I even read that PST can stand for Pacific Standard Time, Pakistan Standard Time or, in our case, Philippine Standard Time.  --Sky Harbor 12:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah, just rescind this hehehe --Howard the Duck 13:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PHT 

message: Tagged the overlong "History" section with the weasel words tag. This passage in particular seems to be weasel worded:
Although there was substantial domestic opposition, especially by the American Anti-Imperialist League, the McKinley administration decided neither to return the Philippines to Spain, nor to allow Germany to annex the Philippines. Therefore, in addition to Guam and Puerto Rico, Spain was forced in the negotiations to hand over the Philippines to the U.S. in exchange for US$20,000,000.00, which the U.S. later claimed to be a "gift" from Spain. The first Philippine Republic rebelled against the U.S. occupation, which prevented its independence and refused to return the country's sovereignty back to the Filipinos. This resulted in the Philippine-American War (also known in contemporary U.S. government documents and popularly ever since by some Americans as the Philippine Insurrection) (1899–1913). --Jtalledo (talk) 00:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody (anon users) messed it up again? LOL. --Howard the Duck 08:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel words 

message: Ihawan? As in ihaw-ihaw sa kanto? --Howard the Duck 04:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture section 

message: I changed "American imperialism" (a clear POV statement) to "the United States." Correct me if I am wrong. Rmsharpe 05:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See the note on the edit and the Wikipedia article American Empire.--Amante de la Paz 04:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV in History 

message: Just curious, why is the country spelt with a ph but then the language with an f?Cameron Nedland 18:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the name Philippines was forced upon the country after the US invasion in 1898. Before that it was called Filipinas. Regards, E  Asterion u talking to me? 18:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, yeah, sorry about the hole pseudo-liberation thing.Cameron Nedland 22:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The Philippines was named after Philip II. Philip in Spanish is Felipe. The names correspoding to the Philippines and Filipinos would probably tend to be spelt according to their local (American/English) language out of habit. (Philippines is Filipinas from Felipe with an F in Spanish). --Jondel 01:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: I guess we should follow WikiProject Countries. Which means we need to incorporate the Languages and Religions section to Demographics and link to appropriate subarticles. --Howard the Duck 03:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article outline 

message: about the CDB of zamboanga, It should be change to Zamboanga only because Zamboanga doesn't have a central Business district (am i correct?). Please do so. ">hehe, july 26 2006
:; I don't get it. is it zamboanga doesn't have a CDB? --Howard the Duck 06:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, go ahead and change it. --Howard the Duck 14:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Err... central business district is just another word for downtown, the "commercial heart of a city". I'm pretty sure there's a downtown area in Zamboanga, right? Coffee 14:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lets just news another term... how about "city center"? --Howard the Duck 15:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Take note that the Emil Jewish Temple doesn't exist anymore. Having the photo in the article be misleading. Somebody might try find. --Jondel 06:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know either. well, go ahead and remove it, but I was looking for other religious pics and i thought it would be nice. How about an INC/mosque pic? --Howard the Duck 14:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Baclaran church or Manila Cathedral would be great and very representative. BTW, I used to see the temple at the corner of Taft and Quirino. I used to wonder what happened to it. Now I know.--Jondel 04:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Temple

message: The section is about languages in the Philippines, not just the Spanish language.  The sub-section about Spanish in the Philippines should be more concise.  A more detailed discussion should be in the main article.
--Amante de la Paz 00:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you feel that Spanish was not a tool for nationalism?--Jondel 04:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we say, 'Spanish was a tool for Spanish colonialism and Christian evangelization, education and nationalism.' which I'm sure historians would support ?
Why don't we revise the Languages section? Lets say which have the most speakers, historical languages, etc. Lets keep it lean, not extremely long. --Howard the Duck 06:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Fine with me.--Jondel 07:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Trimmed it down already. The religion section needs to be trimmed down too. Also the history section also has several minor events - like a German ship about to attack the country - which should be removed from this article. --Howard the Duck 08:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I have yet to see people talk to each other in Spanish. Spanish words that made it into the Filipino language isn't Spanish anymore (like Norman French becoming English), and Chavacano/Chabacano is not Spanish. --Howard the Duck 08:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, my cousins did (mixed with Tagalog and English)when they were much younger and still do with their parents, my parents could when they were around, I can (but my writing is horrible). I know a few Spanish speaking people (they are not rich!), well some are teachers and their children whom they disciplined to speak it at home, but they now prefer not to speak it except to each other. --Jondel 00:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But I haven't seen your cousins yet. ;) And even though they speak at each other in Spanish, do they represent the general population? --Howard the Duck 02:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. My point is Spanish speakers are still around. I would see other (very few) Spanish speakers after Mass and of course , aficionados at Instituto de Cervantes. Some chabacanos say there are good speakers in Zamboangga, (need to confirm with Weekeejames). --Jondel 04:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  But are the very few Spanish-speakers enough for the Philippines to be classified as a Spanish-speaking country? --Howard the Duck 13:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Too few for consideration.--Jondel 15:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Spanish was a Spanish-speaking country, but that changed when the Americans came.  You will still find Spanish-speaking Filipinos here and there.  I am a member of a Hispanofilipino group and there are Filipinos there who have grown up with the language their whole lives. --Chris S. 18:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Languages