Talk:Potemkin Stairs

message: Great article! Could we hammer out a DYK nomination here and then submit it? --Irpen 05:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I was looking at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Suggestions any suggestion about the catchy title? Odessaukrain 09:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats beautiful, great job, I will post it now. Odessaukrain 20:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Posted: Template_talk:Did_you_know#August_2 Odessaukrain 20:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DYK

message: Here is a try at Potemkin Stairs DYK:
"...that the Potemkin Stairs located in Odessa, Ukraine create an optical illusion, when  either the landings or the stairs are invisible depending on an observer's vantage point?"--Riurik 18:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats beautiful, great job, I will post it now. Odessaukrain 20:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Posted: Template_talk:Did_you_know#August_2 Odessaukrain 20:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DYK Suggestion 

message: Any reference to this movie could be made to maybe somehow make this into a catchy DYK. Great article, well-written. -- mno 17:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Battleship Potemkin]]? 

message: Is the massacre picture really necessary to the article?  Does Eisenstein's film define the stairs so much as to warrant the picture of "fictional bloody massacre" to be featured here?  I would like to suggest that Image:Potemkinmarch.jpg be not included in this article.  --Riurik 18:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree. While mentioning the film is something I was for from the beginning, I'm not sure if we need a picture as well. -- mno 18:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Does Eisenstein's film define the stairs so much as to warrant the picture of "fictional bloody massacre" to be featured here?" - The answer would be - YES! Sergei Eisenstein's film has given the stairs their FIRST permanent name.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by NabakNabak (talk • contribs) 21:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The appearance of the steps in the movie is the #1 reason most people know about the steps I'd say. So keep A pic from the film -- the current one maybe, although the one shown here might be better (it doesn't show the (nonexistant) massacre so fully, and of course the baby carriage bit is one of the most iconic in all cinema). On the other hand it doesn't show the steps as fully, although there is a bit more detail. Herostratus (talk) 16:46, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Massacre Picture

message: Perhaps my eyes haven't wakened up yet this morning, but I can't find any mention of the total height of the stairs.  Could that be made more prominent?  —Tamfang 16:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added the heights: 30 meters. —dima  /sb.tk/  18:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  height 

message: Do we really need three in-line citations for "The staircase extends for 142 meters, but it gives the illusion of greater length."? Or for "or the Richelieu steps."? Or for the other sentences with 3 citations? I think this is un-needed and unnecessary. Joelito (talk) 18:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any harm in having it here. —dima  /sb.tk/  18:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I see harm in it. The references/footnotes section gets unnecessarily longer. The text, in edit mode, gets close to unreadable. Also, a "fact" claimed by 3 authors does not make it more true or unrefutable than being claimed by just one. No need to over-reference simple, uncontroversial statements. Joelito (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason for the four cites is there was a small edit war "disagreement" over whether or not the stairs were ever in fact called the Richelieu steps.  I didn't think they were, and with a little research, I was proven wrong. See Talk:Potemkin_Stairs#Original_name.3F above. I will compress the four fact tags into one, and change it to be more readable.Odessaukrain 21:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Joelr31, thanks for the great suggestion!  I fixed the first paragraph, making the four references into one, and using , it should be much easier to read and edit now, please let me know what you think. Odessaukrain 21:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-line citations 

message: There is a mystery to the stairs that is not in the history of the stairs. The ten flights of steps consist of 8 flights of 20 steps each the next to bottom flight has 19 steps and the bottom flight has 13 for a total of 192 steps. History states 200 original steps. Did the bottom partially buried flight have 21 steps or 20 steps? If 20, the stairs were 199 steps and not 200. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Batmanrr (talk • contribs) 
:I understand that several of the stairs were paved over when the port was expanded. Odessaukrain 23:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Would someone who can access the source verify the word "decivity" used in a quotation as either a "sic" or a typo for "declivity"? LilHelpa (talk) 15:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Typo?

message: What does Primorsky mean?  Something relating to the sea (mor)? —Tamfang (talk) 07:43, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It means "near the sea". :) It is actually easy: preposition "pri/near" + position "sea". :)) --NabakNabak (talk) 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  etym.? 

message: It may be indelicate to mention, but a very funny homage to the Odessa Steps scene can be found in "The Naked Gun - 33 1/2".  Perhaps there are others.
Bluefox79830 (talk) 03:05, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural references 

message: Until someone can provide a reliable source with serious credentials that states that the stairs were damaged, this allegation has no room in the article. Forums are NOT reliable sources, and are used by people to manipulate information one way or another for political purposes. Saying that the landmark is supposedly destroyed just because a few bricks were taken out (which has not been proved) is no less than saying that a forest has been destroyed because a few trees were ripped out of the ground. If someone wants to have this "fact" listed in the article, by all means, please produce the reliable source which states it. This is a well  -known landmark, if it was "destroyed" we would know about it. Surely there must be a credible mainstream article out there which can "prove" this? If not, then its someone's obvious political agenda and has no use in this article. § DDima 06:18, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged Damage 2014 

message: The article currently says, "After the Soviet revolution, in 1955, the Primorsky Stairs were renamed as Potemkin Stairs to honor the 30th anniversary of the mutiny on the Battleship Potemkin." The mutiny actually happened in 1905, which would make it the 50th anniversary. The movie came out in 1925, which would be the 30th anniversary. The sentence should therefore be fixed, depending on what the source (Karakina) actually says. I also think that "after the Soviet revolution" should be removed from the sentence, since 1955 was several decades later. 74.71.82.41 (talk) 08:06, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  50th anniversary of mutiny or 30th anniversary of movie? 

message: There's a whole section of just quotes (named "Quotes") and I care not: it's unusual, but so what? We don't have to do everything in lockstep, and IMO it's an asset to the article. But somebody tagged them (few months ago) with  so there's a big message to the effect "These quotes are terrible, I don't like them!"
So either the quotes should go, or the tag should go. So what to we want to do here:
#Get rid of the Quotes section, or 
#Get rid of the  tag, or
#Something else, such as -- I dunno, something like rename the section as "Opinions and reactions" or whatever, and turn it into prose sprinkled with the quotes... something like "Lord Licorice said 'such-and-such', while Count Dooku thought 'blah-blah-blah'. Other commentators said 'yadda yadda' (Ivan Skavinsky Skavar) while others thought the opposite: 'meep meep meep' (Lord Fancypants)..."
Leaving it like it is is my vote (and removing the tag). The one change I would make is to add the person speaking (and perhaps the venue) to the quotations. #3 seems a lot of work for no benefit, in fact might make it worse. And #1 I don't see a benefit to, either. Herostratus (talk) 05:49, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: No response, so tag removed. Herostratus (talk) 18:45, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Them quotes 

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message: It seems well-established that Francesco Boffo and Avraam Melnikov were architects who were involved in the design of the Potemkin stairs. But who is "Pot'e", who is mentioned multiple times in this article? I can find no source about such a person except for those which can be traced back to this Wikipedia article.
That name doesn't seem particularly like a name from Russia, Ukraine, or Italy, and I'm suspicious of its odd resemblance to the name Potemkin.
Then again, the name has been in this article since shortly after its creation on 2 August, 2006. []
Kononova, one of the citations, mentions only Boffo and Melnikov. Does anyone have access to Patricia Herlihy's "Odessa: A History" to see if she mentions the elusive Pot'e? Farrest (talk) 06:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pot'e?