Talk:List of leaders of the Soviet Union

message: Can someone update this table with the following information? I tried, but failed.
Georgy Malenkov was "Senior Secretary" from 5 March 1953 to 14 March 1953
Khruschev was "Senior Secretary" from 14 March 1953 to 13 Sep 1953.
Brezhnev was the "President of the Supreme Soviet" from 16 June 1977 to 10 Nov 1982.
Gorby was "Chairman of the Supreme Soviet" from 25 May 1989 to 15 March 1990.
Malenkov was NOT First Secretary. Please see Talk:Georgy Malenkov#First Secretary?. Avia 08:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old talk 

message: I think we should add the third position to the graph.--Nixer 20:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you mean the premier ministers, I think it is not necessary, since after Lenin that post was no longer most powerful. Avia 08:16, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Concil.--Nixer 14:16, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Top power was the mattert of personal authority.--Nixer 20:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The third position 

message: Is it appropriate to include countries which were existing independent states before being annexed by the USSR in a list of states that replaced the Soviet Union (i.e. the Baltics)? Unigolyn 05:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-Soviet states 

message: In the image Nikita Khrushchev misspelled as Krushchev. In fact threre is not k sound, but the phoneme just as in 'hope' or 'home'.--Nixer 18:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A mistake in the image 

message: This article contradicts President of the Soviet Union.
Here: "... Lenin, Stalin, Malenkov and Khrushchev preferred the post of the premier, while Brezhnev and his successors preferred that of the president."
There: "The President of the Soviet Union was the Head of State of the USSR from 15 March 1990 to 25 December 1991. Mikhail Gorbachev was the first and only person to occupy the office."
What is true? An office cannot be created in 1990, and have someone preferring it in the seventies.
--User:Krator (t c) 23:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: as president in Brezhnev case is meant Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet that is equivalent to position president in other countries. --Li-sung 17:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: Is it worth to mention this property of the USSR/Russia leaders' sequence Lenin-Stalin-Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Andropov-Chernenko-Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin-Medvedev?92.39.161.221 (talk) 18:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bald-hairy-bald-hairy-...? 

message: Brezhnev's table needs correction :)
Egh0st (talk) 19:27, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table b0rk 

message: A common  mistake pretty much everyone makes. Soviet history is not that straightforward as it seems :) You forget that Khruschev wasn't a sole leader initially, it was him and Zhukov. Egh0st (talk) 19:30, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common mistake 

message: The first sentence is puzzling.
:"Under the Constitution of the Soviet Union, the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars  was the head of government and the Chairman of the Central Executive Committee of the All-Russian Congress of Soviets was the head of state."
Why would the head of state of the Soviet Union be chairman of a committee of the All-Russian Congress of Soviets?  --Tyrannophobe (talk) 02:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: First, thanks for your copyedit. :D And second; its because the Soviet Union was founded until 1922, the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic was the forunner of the Soviet Union. It was turned into a socialist republic after the RSFSR had taken over Georgia, Kazakhsthan, Armenia and so on.. Do you get my point? I've added this information into the article now! :D --TIAYN (talk) 06:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Sorry, me wrong, this article is about the USSR and not the RSFSR and the USSR; i keep forgetting that. --TIAYN (talk) 10:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet Union vs. Russia 

message: That's my wording above, and I'm not happy with it. I'm not sure if 'testing' is the right term, especially. Any thoughts? --Tyrannophobe (talk) 19:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Replaced it with; "never tried out"... Does that sound better? --TIAYN (talk) 13:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  'the Soviet Union collapsed before this was tested' 

message: This is terribly muddled and needs a proper overhaul, or even better removal.
* Lenin and his entourage created the USSR around themselves, establishing the Council of People's Commissars in 1917, a full five years before the USSR was set up. The first sentence is quite misleading. The Council of Ministers (Soviet Union) wasn't set up until 1946.
**See 1977 Soviet Constitution
*"The office of the Council of Ministers was the equivalent to the office of Prime Minister" - It is hard to understand what is meant by this!
**Changed to; "The office of the chairman of the CoM was the equivalent to the office of the Prime Minsiter".
*"The office of the leader of the Soviet Union: if this is referring to the title of an office it should have the Russian translation by it.
**Fixed. 
All in all the first paragraph and the summary should better be removed so that the article becomes precisely what it sets out to be: a list, rather than a inadequate summary of certian points in the history of the Soviet Union.Harrypotter (talk) 21:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are able to write a short review of my work, but not to discuss the future of the commissariat articles! --TIAYN (talk) 21:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first paragraph 

message: Why do the picture tags say things like: "Old man in a white shirt with black tie" instead of the names of the people in the picture? 62.12.14.28 (talk) 11:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The tags are supposed to describe the images. I know, the descriptions are really BAD. --TIAYN (talk) 12:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture tags 

message: Can someone explain Leader vs Premier vs General Secretary?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.188.56 (talk) 21:05, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There was the dictator. Lenin, Stalin, Khruschev and Brezhnev. They didn't NEED no stinking titles, although they were called "VZOD". The Premier was the Prime Minister, which was a subordinate position to the VZOD, except when he wanted the job for himself. From 1964 to sometime in the 1970s, Brezhnev and Kosygn were equals. The General Secretary was head of the party. If you were head of the party you were head of the country. That went all the way from the October Revolution to the Christmas collapse 80 years laterEricl (talk) 19:12, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Premier was the second highest political office in the USSR, and was in control over the state bureaucracy and the General Secretary was the leader of the party. Because of a lack of formal rules in the USSR (which is the reason why Stalin came to power), you did not need to hold a specific office to be considered the leader of the USSR  .. For instance, in his later years, Stalin ruled the country through is post as Premier (the post of general secretary was even abolished in 1952).. Lenin and Malenkov also ruled the country through the office of premier, and Gorbachev, from 1990 until the USSr's dissolution through the post of President.. In short, the leader of the Soviet Union was the person with majority support in the Politburo of the CPSU. --TIAYN (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between leader, premier and general secretary 

message: Was there a line of succession, like in the USA? If someone died while in office, who was the next in line to take over until a new person can be officially sworn in?
-G  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.22.224 (talk) 04:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The head of the funeral commission. In truth, no one cared. In 1924 and 1953, no one knew who was really next in line. Rhyskov was sort of elected, but in fact Stalin was grabbing power before Lenin had kicked the bucket. In 1953, Malenkov was the designated successor, but Khruschev grabbed power in the party then the collective leadership had Beria shot. They all deserved to die.19:05, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was no formal line of succession in the USSR (the communist countries of Cuba, China, Laos and Vietnam are introducing these into their systems now, which shows you the extent of the problem).. A successor was appointed by the members of the Politburo, either through votes or consensus. --TIAYN (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  LINE OF SUCCESSION? 

message: I don't want to change this because it's in the introductory paragraph, but I'm not sure if "equivalent to a First World prime minister" is the best wording. Perhaps "capitalist countries" or "Western countries" would be better. This is because the term "First World" exists today only in contrast to "Third World", with the "Second World" rarely referred to. The terms are now used almost entirely to refer to economic development, rather than political affiliation. In the context of this article it refers to the structure of government, and FWIW some Third World countries had prime ministers and the United States has only the President.
I don't want to make the change per WP:BOLD; I think it should be considered by others. Is it better to replace "First World" with "capitalist" or "Western"? Roches (talk) 15:42, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "First world prime minister" 

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message: Should Gorbachev be considered to serve two terms as leader due to the August Coup as during his house arrest Yanavev is considered by this page to be a leader of the Soviet Union?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LARobson1998 (talk • contribs) 22:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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message: Some sources mention that the triumvirate consisted of Khrushchev-Malenkov-Beria from the very beginning. I'm not sure what Troikas should be in the article. When Troika is mentioned, they usually mean Stalin-Zinoviev-Kamenev. In other cases, this term is usually not used,  since the number of officials will exceed three.    'Doomer1557'   ( talk) 07:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: When I included Khrushchev among the troikas listed in this article, it wasn’t my intent to indicate he was part of the Beria-Malenkov-Molotov troika which followed Stalin's death. Rather, I sought to show that he effectively took Beria’s place in that troika upon bringing about his removal. Under such circumstances, its members would not rise above three. Assuming you are opposed to the addition of a Khrushchev-Malenkov-Molotov troika because I gave no citations, would your opinion change if I provided a list of sources corroborating its existence? Emiya1980 (talk) 17:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is information that initially the troika consisted of Malenkov-Khrushchev-Bulganin. There are many versions, so it makes no sense to accept one. In general, I think that the Troika should not be mentioned, because the only one with strong sources is Stalin-Kamenev-Zinoviev. It is also the most famous. As a Russian, I have not heard of the Troikas Brezhnev-Kosygin-Podgorny and Chernenko-Gromyko-Ustinov. Troikas are also not mentioned on the Russian Wikipedia.    'Doomer1557'   ( talk) 19:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sources are provided for all the triumvirates. Why do you say that Stalin-Kamenev-Zinoviev is the only one with strong sources? Emiya1980 (talk) 01:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

text:   I think you would be stymying the quality of this discussion by prejudging my sources' quality based solely on how I found them. Regardless of the method used to find it, the reliability of a renowned scholarly work would remain the same. A better method would be to review the quality of my sources on their own merits and to objectively determine whether their evidence backs up my claim. Is that an acceptable compromise? Emiya1980 (talk) 21:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not acceptable, as it is against policy. So as not to burden the tally section with endless back and forth, I've responded below. Mathglot (talk) 20:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
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message: Hi all, I just had an idea for adding two columns to the table of leaders. These would be “Heads of state” and “Heads of government”, showing who served as Chairman of the Presidium and Premier during the leader’s rule. Should I add this? Thanks LivingInTwilight (talk) 05:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, it’s been about 2 days since I posted this with no reply, so I’m just going to go ahead and add the columns. Feel free to revert the edit should you consider it unhelpful. Thanks LivingInTwilight (talk) 07:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New columns 

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message: Not all of the leaders are from Russia, for example Joseph Stalin was from Georgia. Is the usage of this template correct here? Mr. PouLS (talk) 18:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this article in  the "People from Russia" template? 

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message: Can someone who has knowledge on how to edit these types of tables fix the error image on the Joseph Stalin column cause I can't. Amebrahtu1997 (talk) 06:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have put back the old image. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joseph Stalin error image 

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