Talk:Filibuster (military)

message: I don't know that I agree that the short paragraph on Operation Northwoods is really relevant.  It mentions a filibuster, but did the proposed action qualify as such?  I don't think so.
Anyone else?  Mark Shaw (talk) 01:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Operation Northwoods

message: This section Modern Instances and subsection Libyan civil war are disputed (see above). I contend the source cited does not call this a filibuster or relate it to the phenomenon discussed, making the addition synthesis. The other editor feels filibustering is the only relevant way to describe the sourced actions. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synthesis? 

message: 'The Spanish form entered the English language in the 1850s, as applied to military adventurers from the United States then operating in Central America and the Spanish West Indies.[3]' Oxford English Dictionary, "filibuster" . Retrieved 2012-10-26.
This illustrates again why other editors need to check the sources cited, and why there needs to be a Wikitemplate for 'selective and misleading use of citation'. Here's why. The OED entry cited, which is the second entry in the OED Online under the heading of filibuster,  in fact states the following:
filibuster, n.
2. spec.
  
a. One of a class of piratical adventurers who pillaged the Spanish colonies in the West Indies during the 17th c.</big> 
1792   E. Burke Consideration Present State Affairs in Wks. (1826) VII. 93   The Flibustiers..about a century back .. brought .. calamities upon the Spanish colonies.
1856   T. De Quincey Confessions Eng. Opium-eater (rev. ed.) in Select. Grave & Gay V. 6   This .. man is a buccaneer, a pirate, a flibustier.
  
b. A member of any of those bands of adventurers who between 1850 and 1860 organized expeditions from the United States, in violation of international law, for the purpose of revolutionizing certain states in Central America and the Spanish West Indies.
1854   J. R. Lowell Cambr. 30 Years Ago in Prose Wks. (1890) I. 85   He who was ordained to-day might..accept a colonelcy of filibusters to-morrow.
1855   H. D. Thoreau Let. 7 Feb. in Corr. (1958) 371   The gold-diggers and the Mormons, the slaves and the slave-holders, and the flibustiers.
1856   J. G. Whittier Haschish in Panorama ix,   A raving Cuban filibuster!
attrib.
1857   T. P. Thompson Audi Alteram Partem I. ii. 6   To avoid a collision with the filibuster power [i.e. the U.S.A.].
c. In wider sense: One who resembles a ‘filibuster’ (sense 2a   or 2b) in his actions; now esp. one who engages in unauthorized and irregular warfare against foreign states.
1861   W. G. Clark in F. Galton Vacation Tourists & Trav. 1860 31   The contrast which these filibusters [Garibaldians] presented to the royal troops was exceedingly striking.
1863   J. W. Draper Intell. Devel. Europe (1865) iv. 95   The Greek colonists were filibusters; they seized by force the women wherever they settled.
1896   E. Dowson Let. 5 July (1967) 372   Yet they have always their Austin, & his praise of filibustiers.
d. nonce-use. A vessel employed in filibustering; a pirate craft.
1860   J. L. Motley Hist. Netherlands (1868) II. xviii. 455   The coast of..Dunkirk swarmed with their .. craft, from the flybooter or filibuster of the rivers to the larger armed vessels.
 
Hence, it's misleading to claim, citing the OED Online as here, that 'The Spanish form entered the English language in the 1850s, as applied to military adventurers from the United States then operating in Central America and the Spanish West Indies'. Rather, as the very source cited makes clear, the term as flibustier (via the Spanish form or otherwise) entered the English language at least as early as the day on 5 November 1792, at Bath, when Burke wrote Heads for Consideration on the Present State of Affairs. 101.162.17.60 (talk) 06:09, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of filibuster 

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message: The Fitzhugh quotation seems overlong, methinks. Onanoff (talk) 20:22, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  quote too long 

message: I noticed that a previous heading covering masculinity and racial superiority was removed by user OgamD218. The section did present the arguments of two authors as stalwart fact, so I understand why he removed it, but the books I reference here by Greenberg and Bederman do nevertheless represent a major part of the historiography, and I feel that the gendered aspect of filibustering ought not to go unmentioned. I have hence aimed to try and present their arguments in a reasonably balanced manner, making it clear that this is just the argument made by some prominent authors about the matter.
If any editor does feel the section to be worth removing I would ask them to instead try and rewrite it in a more suitable manner than I have (assuming they see fault in my edits, which considering my limited experience on this site would not be unexpected). Masculinity is very important to filibustering, and Bederman and (particularly) Greenberg make very persuasive arguments about it. 
In short, I believe I have properly conformed to the guidelines, but if not I would request that amendments to my edits are made, rather than flat removal. Henryfawcett (talk) 01:25, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  masculinity and filibustering