Talk:Western alienation

message: Hello, just wrote this article today, first full one i've done on wikipedia, its loaded with errors.  I will definately be working on it over the proceding weeks, but any help people can give me on it would be greatly appreciated.  Ive also requested a peer review, but I do not yet know how to direct it to the right section (Canadian politics).   I am fairly knowledgable in Canadian politics, but a read-over by someone who knows more would be excellent to make sure everything is correct.  Its referenced for the most part, just not correctly.  Thanks a lot.
--Gregorof 18:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Start

message: "Economic factors
Economic factors, including equalization payments, have caused great discontent especially in Alberta. Equalization payments cost Alberta approximately $1.1 billion annually [7], less than that provided by, but significantly higher on a per capita basis, than Ontario. These payments are made by the federal government to the eight 'have-not' provinces. There are no federal restrictions over how this money is to be spent at the provincial level. Quebec receives $5.5 billion annually, making it the single largest recipient of these payments.[8]  
British Columbia, as noted, has been a 'have-not' province for just over five years and will likely return to being a 'have' province in the near future. While being a 'have-not' province, it received the lowest payments besides Saskatchewan, recieving $107 per capita in 2006, approximately 1/7th of that of Quebec.[9]"
what does quebec have to do with any of this? [Unsigned comment by anonymous editor]
*Well, Quebec does have something to do with this because it is the largest beneficiary of the equalization system. Nonetheless, the passage you site is argumentative and possibly POV. This could be avoided by replacing most of the text with a table that shows for the most recent year the equalization payments made and received by province, and the per capita equalization payments by province. The reader then would be free to make his or her own interpretations, rather than having the article draw conclusions. For example, the passage cited notes that Quebec is the largest recipient, but it is not the largest recipient per capita. Ground Zero | t 17:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: neutrality??

message: This threat was very usual, especially form somone who had been premier of a province for many years. Alberta or any other province is unable to "withdraw" from the program since it is not funded by collecting money from the governments of the "have" provinces. It is funded from the federal government's general revenues, i.e., the taxes we pay. The federal government will continue to levy taxes, and provide funding to "have not" provinces regardless of what Klein wants. Equalization is effectively a transfer from "haves" to "have nots" because federal taxes are raised in all provinces and then this program redistributes a portion of the taxes only to the "have nots". 
See Dept of Finance website: 
:"A significant amount of its own funding is transferred by the federal government to the provinces and territories to support important social investments, such as health care and education. These are called transfers. Finance Canada administers these transfers. The key transfer programs are: 
::"the Canada Health Transfer (CHT) and Canada Social Transfer CST), which go to all provinces and territories and are used to fund health care, post-secondary education and social assistance and social services; 
::"Equalization, which ensures that less prosperous provinces can provide reasonably comparable public services without their taxes being out of line with those of more affluent provinces; and 
::"Territorial Formula Financing (TFF) which provides territorial governments with funding to support public services, in recognition of the higher cost of living in the north."
Ground Zero | t 01:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Klein's threat to withdraw from equalization program

message: "The Maritime provinces are constitutionally guaranteed a fixed number of federal ridings (most notably four in Prince Edward Island); this is not the case in Western provinces."
This is wrong. Every province is guaranteed a minimum number of federal ridings. A province can not have less MPs than the number of Senators they had in 1982 Constitution Act, 1982 - 41(b). 
I'll remove the reference to this "fixed riding" guarantee --Sylguy69 17:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Political Factors

message: I wonder if we can work in a link to [page] in the discussion on Representation numbers. 
Also would be nice if we had a table showing the number of seats each area has and the percentage of the total, with the population of each are and a percentage of the total population beside it.
Something like...(number made up for this example)
Area	Seats	% of total seats	Population	% of total population	
AB  	8    	6%              	3,456,789 	8%                   	
BC  	14   	9%              	4,336,293 	11%                  	
...and so on. --Kickstart70-T-C 18:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Representation formula 

message: I have proposed that several related pages are merged together as they seem to consist of a lot of unsourced OR and very little sources for notability. I think it would be easier to maintain if they were brought together. --neon white talk 21:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I personally believe the subjects are clearly related, seperatism as result of alienated etc. and a merge is far better than those articles being deleted due to lack of sources for notability. --neon white talk 17:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that separatism is much less of an issue than alienation, but I do think separatism is an offshoot of alienation in general.  If the two were to be merged, it should certainly be in the form of separation getting a sub-section in the alienation article, which I believe would make clear its lesser importance.  TastyCakes (talk) 18:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

text: That is pretty funny... I agree it should have a higher importance ranking.  TastyCakes (talk) 14:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty funny, but it has to be viewed in the broader context of the importance of everything on Wikipedia.  Keep in mind that the assessment on importance was probably made by a non-Canadian.  --8.11.254.188 (talk) 19:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it's not really being viewed in context of everything in Wikipedia, it's being viewed in context of things the Canadian wiki project takes into account.  I think most, but certainly not all, frequent contributors to the project are Canadian, so it does seem quite probable it was a Canadian that did the assessment, although probably not someone from "Out West" ;)  TastyCakes (talk) 22:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I take that last bit back, it appears that Qyd added the template and, judging from the great pictures, maps and templates he has created and uploaded, he has spent a great deal of time in Alberta, if not actually being from the province.  TastyCakes (talk) 23:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: This article needs to be deleted unless someone can articulate a logical defense of this mess. Did you see how many (citation needed) tags are here? Its basically a big jumple of assertions with no facts to back it up. Remove it immediately. 96.30.162.10 (talk) 20:56, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Article is a mess

message: I have added a few citations (maybe a few more later).  I also removed statements that were dated as having needed citations since August 2009.  --Hamiltonian (talk) 05:32, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisions

message: This article very specifically described an Alberta-centred right-wing phenomenon. It is true that Alberta has been a base for right-wing Western protest movements such as the Reform Party of Canada, but it has existed outside of Alberta and outside of specific right-wing interests. Arguably it could be traced back to the Red River Rebellion in which Louis Riel and Metis pressed for their own autonomous jurisdiction, which resulted in the founding of what became known as Manitoba. The United Farmers of Alberta, the United Farmers of Canada, the Progressive Party of Manitoba, the Progressive Party of Saskatchewan, the Progressive Party of Canada, Cooperative Commonwealth Federation (CCF) are all examples of left-wing Western-founded movements that were founded out of discontent in the West. Former NDP Premier of British Columbia Dave Barrett during his leadership bid for the federal NDP in 1989, emphasized the theme of Western alienation and the need to respond to it.--R-41 (talk) 04:03, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is being presented exclusively as a right-wing Alberta-centred phenomenon, it has existed outside of that 

message: I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
::This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:
::#There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved
::#It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given
::#In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing POV tag with no active discussion per [[Template:POV]] 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I don't want to personally edit the article since it'll probably just be reverted anyway, but I think adding to the last section (the state of affairs since 2005) a brief line about the slight resurgence in Western Alienation after the 2019 election as a result of Scheer's runaway victory in provinces such as Manitoba and overall advantage in the popular vote but still failing to take a majority in the Canadian parliament due to the way parliamentary seats are distributed (Alberta only has 34 seats for 4.6 million people while Atlantic Canada has 32 seats for 2.4 million people, creating a clear advantage for the Liberal-leaning Atlantic provinces). It is worth mentioning. 108.48.94.223 (talk) 13:11, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: 2019 election aftermath

message: This article is indeed badly in need of an update. In addition—and I see this point was brought up almost 11 years ago (!)—it should be a lot more balanced. This has been a political factor since the 19th century and has inspired movements on both the right and the left; the fact that it has been dominated by the right since WWII seems to obscure this history. I would go as far as considering removing the Conservatism in Canada series template from this article, but at the very least it needs some more balance. Other justin (talk) 00:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: By way of update, I've expanded the article quite significantly. I'd still like to add some more references and welcome other comments and contributions. ETA: In particular, if anyone is up for adding more information—historical or contemporary—about British Columbia, that would be very helfpul. Other justin (talk) 00:00, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update and balance