Talk:Twyford Down

message: This article needs a major cleanup to achieve NPOV. The article both glorifies the protest and criticises the goverment, without providing adequate counter-arguments. DWaterson 15:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I refer you to WP:NPOV and Wikipedia:NPOV tutorial for the guidelines against which this article needs to be judged. I also refer you to Godwin's Law... ;) DWaterson 09:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the article needs splitting into a protest article (which needs more NPOV work in my opinion as it still reads as how wonderful the protesters were and how bad everyone else was and some bits need references eg. Perhaps the most unusual arrest was for criminal damage to a piece of string.) What do others think? Regan123 21:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with your remark re User:Chrisw404's comment; of course the majority of Twyford Down still exists, or the road wouldn't run through a cutting, it'd be on level ground! It'd be nice if people who are familiar with the area would provide some more information on the remaining habitat. DWaterson 21:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well - to the west of the cutting its part of the St Catherine's Hill nature reserve (chalk grassland grazed by sheep - recently the sheep have been free to roam the whole of the nature reserve and dog walkers have been ordered to keep dogs on leads, causing some resentment and protests) and to the east it is part chalk grassland (an annexed part of the nature reserve) and part golf course. BTW, the discussion of Twyford Down cutting on the M3 article is much better from an NPOV angle. --JimChampion 17:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I rewrote the article some time ago and wanted to do the same here but was worried about walking into a POV issue so left this one alone.  I would happy to give it a go to try and make it more neutral but as I didn't live locally and wasn't involved I am worried about leaving out something crucial.Regan123 20:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: As there is unlikely to be a consensus on a split, I would still like to rewrite the M3 and protest sections to make them a little more neutral and referenced.  I did rewrite the section on M3 motorway previously.  Whilst I am all for being bold, I appreciate this is a sensitive subject.  Would anyone object to me doing so? --Regan123 00:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead, I support if you can make it more NPOV. DWaterson 00:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: Jim's recent, post-construction photos are excellent. I've also just uploaded another "during" photo to Wikimedia commons. Perhaps we could create a small "before", "during", and "after" photo gallery at the bottom of the page? What do you all think? We have "during" and "after" photos; we just need some "before" Chrisw404 09:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: We still have a split tag and a POV tag on here.  Ignoring the split for the moment, can people describe what exactly the POV issues are so that we can fix them? Regan123 02:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy to drop the split tag, article is short enough not to need splitting at present. I can't really see anything particulalry POV in the article. --Salix alba (talk) 11:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: We need something sourceable for that I think. Regan123 13:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: At the time it was very much true.  Traffic growth since then may have changed things...Regan123 19:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you sure it was true? I did not live in the area in the 90s, but as long ago as 1999 I remember heading from Southampton to Bracknell on a Sunday afternoon and baling out at J11 and following back roads to avoid the sea of traffic ahead. It's in my conveniently searchable journal, so not a trick of the memory.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pterre (talk • contribs) 19:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I've added a reference to the noise polution and removed reference to whether the bottle neck is removed or not. Do folk think this is Ok and could we remove the NPOV tag (I'm no longer sure what is suposed to be NPOV anymore)? --Salix alba (talk) 23:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is important to reference the removal of the bottleneck at the time.  I will look for something.  As for the NPOV tag it could probably go as the article is in much better condition now. Regan123 23:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving forward 

message: I'm not going to start an "In popular culture" section, but if you wanted to, you could use the fact that "London based acid jazz group" Galliano made a (very nice, in my personal opinion) song called Twyford Down in 1994, which expresses their thoughts about nature conservation and motorways. --BjKa (talk) 13:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your assessment of the song, but we need a secondary source to demonstrate that the song made any impact (apart from coming #37 in the charts). JFW | T@lk 02:40, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Galliano 

message: After having some success with M11 link road protest, it seemed that this article was the next logical candidate to put my research into. I did think about moving the article to "Twyford Down protest" as described above, but there is a small amount that can be written about the down outside of this context - but not much. I think if we left out everything protest-related from this article, you'd get a permastub. Just type "twyford down" into Google and see how many hits aren't about road protesting! So I think we have due weight of importance right here. At least now there is some history in the article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article nomination 

message: seems a bit of a strange choice to me for this article. Are there any objections to using  instead? WaggersTALK 12:09, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *I guess that infobox's been used so we can put the highest point on it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:04, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox