Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother/Archive 3

message: I think the main article for the show could use a rewrite or cleanup to comply with Wikipedia standards. The article is currently approaching 80Kb and needs to be trimmed down or some sections split. I will use the "Variations in Format" section as an example. It currently lists like a trivia section. 
Here actual variations in the format:
*There are six special pan-regional versions of Big Brother. All these follow the normal Big Brother rules with the exception that contestants come from different countries in the region where it airs:
** Africa: Angola, Botswana, Ghana, Kenya, Malawi, Namibia, Nigeria, South Africa, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe.  
** Balkans: Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro and Serbia 
** Middle East: Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Syria and Tunisia. 
** Pacific: Chile, Ecuador and Peru. 
** Scandinavia: Norway and Sweden.
** United Kingdom: Great Britain, Nothern Ireland and Ireland 
*In France and Canada, the format has been developed using couples. Twelve single people stay in the same house until only the winning couple are left.
*Big Brother USA currently uses a different set of rules that began with the second season (the first season used the traditional format). Nominations are done by one houseguest, the Head of Household (HoH) and the houseguests vote for which nominee to evict, not the viewers. The third season introduced the Power of Veto, where a houseguest can save a nominee causing the Head of Household to name a replacement nominee. It's been adapted in Brazil and Africa and since then some countries modified their nominations rules. 
*In 2004, the fifth German edition was the first version to run for 365 days consecutively. In this season, the contestants were separated into three teams (rich, regular, survivor) and equivalent living areas. The ultimate winner got a prize of 1,000,000 €.
*Also in Germany a new version of the show started: Big Brother - Das Dorf (Big Brother - The Village). It was the sixth season and started the same day season 5 ended. This was the first version supposed to run for years (without a predetermined end). It was set in a small artificial village including a church tower, a marketplace, 3 houses, 3 working areas (farm, car garage, dressmaking and later a small hotel, where celebrities from the real world could move into), a matcharena, a pub and a fitness room. The season ended after 363 days in February 2006 because of low ratings. In season seven RTL II switched back to a traditional version.
These are just season/series twists that really doesn't place much affect on the general format used by each country:
*In the third UK series, Big Brother set live tasks for the housemate on a Saturday night in order to win treats. This format was discontinued in the fifth series due to poor ratings. This format has been used in Australia in the form of Friday Night Live.
*The fifth UK edition introduced the "Evil" touch, whereby the character of Big Brother became almost a villain. Big Brother was establishing punishments and was proposing hard tasks and secret tricks. This was also seen in Australia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada,  Croatia, Finland, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Pacific, Scandinavia, Serbia, Spain, Thailand, Philippines, and Mexico.
*The sixth UK series introduced secret missions where housemate would be able to win luxuries if they completed a secret task set by Big Brother.
*In the seventh UK series, Big Brother became "twisted". Every week, housemates mental states were put to the test as Big Brother tried to break them. As a result of this many housemates broke down and one even threaten to commit suicide.
*The eighth UK Series saw an all-female house however 3 days later 1 male housemate entered
* The UK series alway opens with a twist which have included First Night Nominations (BB4), Transexual enters & Suit Case Nominations (BB5), Unlucky Housemate 13 (BB6), Big Brother Hood & Person suffering From Tourette (BB7), All Female House & Twins enter (BB8), Jackie Stallone is Announced to be Entering (CBB3), Non Celebrity Enters (CBB4) and Jade Goody and Family are Announced to be Entering (CBB5). Many countries have followed opening night twists such as Australia and the United States.
*The fifth UK edition introduced "Fake evictions" where 1 or 2 housemates are "Evicted" however unbeknown to the housemates they have in fact not been evicted. the housemate/s usually are put into a secret house where numerous twist happen. in the eighth UK Series one housemate was evicted, interview then sent straight back into the house however the housemates in the house got to see all of the interview live. 
*The eighth American season, introduced "America's Player", a houseguest that is given assignments, unknown to the other houseguests, through votes from the viewing public. Included in the public voting is which nominated houseguest America's Player should vote off and campaign to get evicted. 
*The third Dutch edition introduced the notion of "The Battle", in which the house is separated into a luxurious half and a poor half, with two teams of housemates constantly fighting for time in the luxurious half. Separated houses have also been used in Australia, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Italy, Norway, Poland, Scandinavia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, and the UK.  Australia, Italy and Mexico added punishment zones to their houses.
*The fourth Greek season introduced a new element: the mother. In Big Mother nine housemates take part in the game with their mothers, with whom they must coexist during the contest. The "mamas" were not able to win the prize but they would stay with their children until their eviction. However, this proved to be a failure with the shows audience and the show switched back to the traditional Big Brother format in mid-season.
*Introduced in the fifth season of the American series, several countries have included twins, and in some cases triplets, in their shows. Usually, the siblings enter the show as one Housemate, and after making it to a certain point in the game, they split up as individuals. Series that have used Housemates who are twins or triplets are:
** USA, 2004, Adria Montgomery-Klein and Natalie Montgomery-Carroll, 7th (Natalie) and 8th (Adria) Evicted, Used Name: "Adria".
** Australia, 2005, David and Greg Matthew, 14th Evicted (David) and Winner (Greg, although the prize money was split), Used Name: "Logan" (Middle name of both Twins).
** Bulgaria, 2006, Lyubov, Nadejda, and Vyara Stancheva, 7th (Nadejda) and 9th (Vyara) Evicted, Winner (Lyubov), Used Name: "Vyara".
** UK, 2007, Amanda and Sam Marchant, 2nd Place (Both were treated separately until Day 68 when they became one).
** France, 2007, Marjorie, Cyrielle and Johanna Bluteau, Winner (Marjorie, as she was the only one eligible for the grand prize).
** Spain, 2007, Conchi and Pamela De Los Santos, 2nd Place, Used Name: "Rosa".
** Poland, 2007, Aneta and Martyna Bielecka, 4th Evicted (They were discovered as twins), Used Name: "Martyna". 
** Philippines, 2007-08, Baron and Donnie became a 2-in-1 housemate, considered as one entity until an appointed time when Big Brother had the pair split-up. Donnie: 5th evicted, Baron: 1st ejected, Used Number: 7
** Philippines, 2007-08, 26K girls of Kapamilya Deal or No Deal Jen and Marylaine, 1st Evicted, Used Number: 8
Not even twists just trivia information:
*The Voice Graph system in BB Argentina, BB Australia & BB Germany.
*The seventh season of Big Brother Australia focused upon environmental issues, the house fitted with rainwater tanks and a majority of the furniture being built entirely from recycled materials.
See what I mean, if the section "Variations in format" actually included just the major variations in format it would be much smaller and take up less room and wouldn't sound like a trivia section. How does Australia's house for BB7 constitutes it being a format change? If we actually go through the article and re-write or cleanup a lot of the sections we can reduce the file size. Also since Big Brother USA doesn't have public voting the introduction could be re-written so it fits all Big Brother's and doesn't exclude any. 
Original Lead
Big Brother is a reality television show. In each series, which lasts for around three months, a number of people (normally fewer than fifteen at any one time) live together full-time in a "Big Brother House", isolated from the outside world but under the continuous gaze of television cameras. The housemates try to win a cash prize by avoiding periodic, usually publicly-voted, evictions from the house. 
New Lead
Big Brother is a reality television show. In each series, which lasts for around three months, a number of people live together full-time in a "Big Brother House", isolated from the outside world but under the continuous gaze of television cameras. The housemates try to win a cash prize by avoiding periodic evictions from the house.
The new lead doesn't mention that normally fewer than fifteen at any one time and usually publicly-voted. By not having usually publicly-voted the lead is now written to describe all Big Brothers. More specific details like voting should be included in the Format and Variations in Format sections. I think if all the editors pull together and each take on a little bit of the article at a time then we should have a good article that will inform everyone very well including new people who do not know much about Big Brother in general. I suggest we get a peer review from the article and go from there. What do you guys think? ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 20:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious revamp for [[Big Brother (TV series)]] 

message: Do you guys think that the Evicted and Nominated For Eviction rows are easier to read when they are placed on top instead of in the bottom? The most important information should normally be placed on top of the table, just like the current housemates are placed above the eliminated ones. The example used is from Big Brother (Albania):
                       	Round #1                	Round #2             	Round #3                    	Round #4                                   	Round #5                               	Round #6               	Round #7                      	Round #8              	Round #9         	Round #10        	Round #11        	Round #12        	Round #13        	Round #14
Evicted                	Ingrid  50%  to evict   	Juna  59%  to evict  	Leonard  32%  to evict      	Ervis  48%  to evict                       	Ina  46%  to evict                     	Ilda  Mardiola  ejected	Julinda45% to evict           	                      	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Nominated  For Eviction	Ingrid  Romina  Shkëlqim	Juna  Leonard  Romina	Astrit  Ina  Leonard  Romina	Astrit  Besarta  Ervis  Ina  Najada  Romina	Arbër  Astrit  Ina  Najada  Pol  Romina	Julinda  Mardiola  Olsi	Besarta  Julinda  Olsi  Romina	Olsi  Romina  Shkëlqim	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
                       	                        	                     	                            	                                           	                                       	                       	                              	                      	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Arbër                  	Ervis  Romina           	Romina  Juna         	Romina  Ervis               	Romina  Ervis                              	Romina  Ina                            	Olsi  Shkëlqim         	Olsi  Shkëlqim                	Shkëlqim  Olsi        	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Astrit                 	Arbër  Ingrid           	Arbër  Julinda       	Romina  Ina                 	Ina Ervis                                  	Ina  Pol                               	Ilda  Mardiola         	Romina  Pol                   	Shkëlqim  Pol         	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Besarta                	Astrit  Najada          	Astrit  Ina          	Astrit  Ina                 	Romina  Ina                                	Romina  Najada                         	Romina  Najada         	Romina  Olsi                  	Romina  Olsi          	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Dorina                 	Not in  house           	Not in  house        	Not in  house               	Not in  house                              	Not in  house                          	Not in  house          	Not in  house                 	Exempt                	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Jonida                 	Not in  house           	Not in  house        	Not in  house               	Not in  house                              	Not in  house                          	Not in  house          	Not in  house                 	Exempt                	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Najada                 	Ina  Juna               	Juna  Pol            	Leonard  Besarta            	Besarta  Pol                               	Besarta  Pol                           	Julinda  Besarta       	Julinda  Besarta              	Besarta  Shkëlqim     	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Olsi                   	Ervis  Ingrid           	Leonard  Ervis       	Astrit  Ina                 	Romina  Besarta                            	Arbër  Shkëlqim                        	Mardiola  Romina       	Besarta  Julinda              	Poli  Shkëlqim        	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Pol                    	Leonard  Najada         	Leonard  Romina      	Leonard  Romina             	Romina  Astrit                             	Romina  Astrit                         	Mardiola  Olsi         	Romina  Olsi                  	Romina  Astrit        	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Romina                 	Ingrid  Juna            	Leonard  Arbër       	Arbër  Besarta              	Ina  Besarta                               	Arbër  Julinda                         	Julinda  Besarta       	Julinda  Besarta              	Besarta  Shkëlqim     	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Shkëlqim               	Ingrid  Leonard         	Leonard  Juna        	Leonard  Romina             	Romina  Arbër                              	Romina  Arbër                          	Mardiola  Olsi         	Romina  Olsi                  	Olsi  Romina          	                 	                 	                 	                 	                 	
Julinda                	Romina  Shkëlqim        	Romina  Shkëlqim     	Romina  Astrit              	Romina  Najada                             	Romina  Najada                         	Mardiola  Romina       	Romina  Najada                	Evicted  (Day 64)     	Evicted  (Day 64)	Evicted  (Day 64)	Evicted  (Day 64)	Evicted  (Day 64)	Evicted  (Day 64)	Evicted  (Day 64)
Ilda                   	Not in  house           	Not in  house        	Not in  house               	Exempt                                     	Exempt                                 	Mardiola  Olsi         	Ejected  (Day 54)             	Ejected  (Day 54)     	Ejected  (Day 54)	Ejected  (Day 54)	Ejected  (Day 54)	Ejected  (Day 54)	Ejected  (Day 54)	Ejected  (Day 54)
Mardiola               	Not inhouse             	Not inhouse          	Not inhouse                 	Exempt                                     	Exempt                                 	Julinda  Besarta       	Ejected  (Day 54)             	Ejected  (Day 54)     	Ejected  (Day 54)	Ejected  (Day 54)	Ejected  (Day 54)	Ejected  (Day 54)	Ejected  (Day 54)	Ejected  (Day 54)
Ina                    	Ingrid  Najada          	Leonard  Astrit      	Romina  Leonard             	Romina  Astrit                             	Romina  Astrit                         	Evicted  (Day 50)      	Evicted  (Day 50)             	Evicted  (Day 50)     	Evicted  (Day 50)	Evicted  (Day 50)	Evicted  (Day 50)	Evicted  (Day 50)	Evicted  (Day 50)	Evicted  (Day 50)
Ervis                  	Arbër  Ingrid           	Arbër  Juna          	Romina  Astrit              	Romina  Najada                             	Evicted  (Day 43)                      	Evicted  (Day 43)      	Evicted  (Day 43)             	Evicted  (Day 43)     	Evicted  (Day 43)	Evicted  (Day 43)	Evicted  (Day 43)	Evicted  (Day 43)	Evicted  (Day 43)	Evicted  (Day 43)
Leonard                	Pol  Shkëlqim           	Ina  Shkëlqim        	Ina  Pol                    	Evicted  (Day 36)                          	Evicted  (Day 36)                      	Evicted  (Day 36)      	Evicted  (Day 36)             	Evicted  (Day 36)     	Evicted  (Day 36)	Evicted  (Day 36)	Evicted  (Day 36)	Evicted  (Day 36)	Evicted  (Day 36)	Evicted  (Day 36)
Juna                   	Romina  Shkëlqim        	Shkëlqim  Romina     	Evicted  (Day 29)           	Evicted  (Day 29)                          	Evicted  (Day 29)                      	Evicted  (Day 29)      	Evicted  (Day 29)             	Evicted  (Day 29)     	Evicted  (Day 29)	Evicted  (Day 29)	Evicted  (Day 29)	Evicted  (Day 29)	Evicted  (Day 29)	Evicted  (Day 29)
Ingrid                 	Romina  Shkëlqim        	Evicted  (Day 15)    	Evicted  (Day 15)           	Evicted  (Day 15)                          	Evicted  (Day 15)                      	Evicted  (Day 15)      	Evicted  (Day 15)             	Evicted  (Day 15)     	Evicted  (Day 15)	Evicted  (Day 15)	Evicted  (Day 15)	Evicted  (Day 15)	Evicted  (Day 15)	Evicted  (Day 15)
Exo (talk) 02:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you provide an example that shows why it wouldn't work? All it does is move the most important information on top, a space which is currently being used for secondary information in many tables. It's hard to imagine that information like HOH or Challenge Winner is worthy of the first row while the most important stuff like evictions is last. Anyhow, I vote for a reconfiguration of tables that prioritizes on the information and their location in the table based on their importance:
* Evictions/Winners first
* Up For Eviction second
* Challenge Winner/HOH/Veto/Ban etc third
* Individual nominations fourth
Hoping there's an agreement. Exo (talk) 04:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

text: In the USA version Nominations are tied in with the Veto. Nominations are done by one person the HoH, after pre-veto Nominations there is a veto comp. then the winner decides to use it or not then you have who is nominated. The votes in the USA version are votes to evict not to nominated. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 04:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you make an example of this conflict of information and how it would not blend in if the eviction row was placed on top? Maybe there will be some re-configuration needed for the top section so that the information is ranked based on priority but I am having trouble picturing how it would not be possible to have all of the primary information on top, instead of splitting it up the way it's done right now? Or if that doesn't work out, another option would be...why not have the most important information, the evictions on top, and place the HOH and the vetoes on the bottom? How is that information more important than the evictions and the winner? Exo (talk) 04:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Another point I want to make out is the tables are not ordered in lets say importance. They are ordered in what makes sense to a newcomer to Wikipedia. Basically the easiest way to understand what happened that week summed up. Some countries Big Brother may void the nominations or hold fake nominations as part of a twist this also needs to be considered when structuring the tables. In most versions now just because someone is "Ejected" or "Walked" Big Brother will continue with the eviction so an "Ejected" and "Walked" row is needed. Some countries have two rounds of nominations before the actual eviction happens. Big Brother is very complex especially for versions that have been on for a couple of years that use complex twists. The current setup is able to handle complex twists, customization to the local Big Brother while upholding a somewhat unified look with other countries. Some versions have joint housemates and depending on how long they last Big Brother may split them apart after a while. Your setup works for a beginning series since it does not include complex twists. The housemates nominate people for eviction, the people with the highest percentage of votes leave, simple. Some of the more recent series are more complex in twists and gameplay and a flexible table style is needed. Also in the case of the American Big Brother that country has used two different formats, the original format (what Albania) uses now and a completely different format in order to evict housemates. It is important we try to remain consistent from season to season. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I came up with this one for Big Brother 5, it does work out also but alot of re-arrangement has to take place, however it does prioritize information based on importance:
                      	Week 1      	Week 2                  	Week 3                   	Week 4                   	Week 5                  	Week 6                  	Week 7                     	Week 8                   	Week 9                    	Week 10                  	Week 11                   	Week 11                 	
                      	Week 1      	Week 2                  	Week 3                   	Week 4                   	Week 5                  	Week 6                  	Week 7                     	Day 63                   	Day 64                    	Week 10                  	Day 78                    	Finale                  	
Evicted               	Miketo evict	Lori7 of 9 votesto evict	Holly7 of 8 votesto evict	Scott4 of 7 votesto evict	Jase6 of 7 votesto evict	Will4 of 7 votesto evict	Natalie4 of 5 votesto evict	Adria4 of 4 votesto evict	Marvin3 of 3 votesto evict	Karen2 of 2 votesto evict	Nakomis1 of 1 voteto evict	Diane1 of 1 voteto evict	
Michael3 votesto win
Evicted               	Miketo evict	Lori7 of 9 votesto evict	Holly7 of 8 votesto evict	Scott4 of 7 votesto evict	Jase6 of 7 votesto evict	Will4 of 7 votesto evict	Natalie4 of 5 votesto evict	Adria4 of 4 votesto evict	Marvin3 of 3 votesto evict	Karen2 of 2 votesto evict	Nakomis1 of 1 voteto evict	Diane1 of 1 voteto evict	
Drew4 votesto win
Nominations(post-veto)	MikeNakomis 	KarenLori               	AdriaHolly               	MarvinScott              	JaseMarvin              	MarvinWill              	MichaelNatalie             	AdriaMichael             	MarvinNakomis             	KarenMichael             	DianeNakomis              	(none)                  	
Veto Winner           	Scott       	Jase                    	Nakomis                  	Jase                     	Drew                    	Adria                   	Adria                      	Karen                    	Diane                     	Diane                    	Michael                   	(none)                  	
Nominations(pre-veto) 	MikeNakomis 	HollyLori               	HollyNakomis             	JaseScott                	DianeMarvin             	MarvinWill              	AdriaNatalie               	AdriaMichael             	DianeMarvin               	DrewMichael              	DianeNakomis              	DianeMichael            	(none)
Head of Household     	Jase        	Marvin                  	Drew                     	Diane                    	Nakomis                 	Adria                   	Nakomis                    	Marvin                   	Drew                      	Nakomis                  	Drew                      	Drew                    	(none)
Notes                 	Seenote 1   	Seenote 1               	Seenote 1                	Seenote 1                	None                    	Seenote 2               	None                       	None                     	Seenote 3                 	Seenote 3                	None                      	Seenote 4               	Seenote 5
                      	            	                        	                         	                         	                        	                        	                           	                         	                          	                         	                          	                        	
I hate to be picky about this, and it might have limitted support as it is a dramatic change, but at least I argued my point that information in the table should appear in order of importance and I think it should at least be heard and considered. Exo (talk) 05:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, you're right about the ejection extra row, because sometimes there might be an ejection and an eviction at the same week. Exo (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope I didn't sound mean or anything, I was just looking at the various tables looking at what is the easiest way due to the various twists and what would be the easiest way to new visitors who may not know how another country works. If it wasn't for the sheer complex twists that most series now use I would be behind you but the complex twists and the easiest way to read a table with such twists was what I was looking at. 05:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On no, not at all, I hope I didn't sound mean either. We both have very valid arguments and the best of intentions, it's just a matter of which idea is more efficient on the global scale rather than on individual countries. I just had my idea be heard, I realise it's a long shot, but it is a good idea nonetheless, so maybe something else pops up in the future, some new twist or procedure or whatever...and this "prioritizing" idea might come in handy to someone when placing info in the table rows. I learned something new today with the standardization rules and all, I had no idea there were restrictions so that's why I experimented with the Big Brother Albania table a bit. :) Exo (talk) 06:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modification to the Nominations Table 

message: I am not going to edit anymore!!! I have watch every series from BBUK, BBAU and BBUSA and I am leaving due to the fact that more or less everytime I edit a Big Brother page it gets reverted back by  Alucard 16 who thinks no edit is perfect unless it is his own. Bye. In23065 (talk) 23:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bye 

message: I want to try to make separate pages for series 1 and series 2. Anyone interested to join the project?
Moon Gin  —Preceding comment was added at 06:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure but if you are going to do that then  you need to create a general page for Secret Story similar to Big Brother (U.S.) or Big Brother (UK). ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 14:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secret Story Series 2 

message: I am considering requesting Semi-Protection for this page and other relating pages (mainly the pages about the pervious series). This will help to stop vandalism which happens a lot on the BBUK page because it is such a controversial Television Show.
Semi-Protecting a page stops that page from being edited by anonymous users of Wikipedia. Therefore only people who have set up an account may edit the page. This limits vandalism and edit wars. Look here for more information Wikipedia:Protection_policy#semi.
In May I requested Semi-protection for Big Brother 2008 (UK), and Q am glad to announce that there a been minimal vandalism and the page has not suffered because of this limitation. 
So what are your views on this.
:If protection is needed fine, I don't think the WikiProject needs protecting right now. Currently I think that all the necessary pages are protected like Big Brother 9 (U.S.) and Big Brother 2008 (UK) which had heavy vandalism and Big Brother 10 (U.S.) due to vandals posting un-sourced/unverified rumors. If people are vandalizing List of Big Brother 9 HouseGuests (U.S.), List of Big Brother 2008 housemates (UK), Big Brother Australia 2008, List of Big Brother Australia housemates (2008 series) or any series/season relating to a particular Big Brother heavily then request protection, but only if a lot of IP vandalism is happening. Otherwise your request may be denied if your reason is potential controversial content. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Im going to request all the Big Brother UK series pages to be lock. In23065 (talk) 22:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead but unless heavy vandalism happens on those pages like it did on Big Brother 9 (U.S.) and Big Brother 2007 (UK) I doubt any of those articles will receive semi-protection. Just by looking at the history alone and based on past experiences with requesting for pages to be semi-protected none of them have really any reason to be protected right now. And Big Brother in general is controversial not just the UK version. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 22:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lock This Page and all other BB UK Related Pages

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replies: text: Updated Assessment scale, downgraded some former B-Class articles to C-Class. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 20:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

message: I have updated the project's Assessment scale and have added the new C-Class as well. Since the criteria for B-Class has been tightened I have downgraded articles that no longer meet B-Class criteria to C-Class. Below is a list and the reason why it was downgraded:
*Big Brother (Croatia) Article did not have enough reliable sources
*Big Brother (Netherlands) Article did not have enough reliable sources
*Big Brother (TV series) Needs to be cleaned up to meet quality standards, more reliable sources needed
*Big Brother 2004 (UK) See talk page
*Big Brother 6 (U.S.) Article did not have enough reliable sources
*Big Brother 7 (U.S.) Article did not have enough reliable sources
*Big Brother 8 (U.S.) highlights Needs to be cleaned up
*Celebrity Big Brother racism controversy Needs to be cleaned up to meet quality standards
*Dennis Rodman Has warning/messages scattered throughout the article on ways to improve it/has a trivia section
*Michael Barrymore Has warning/messages scattered throughout the article on ways to improve it
*Secret Story 2007 (France) Article did not have enough reliable sources
I am also going around and upgrading any Start-Class articles that meet C-Class criteria. I will post a full list of those articles and why when I am done. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 21:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former B-Class articles now downgraded to C-Class 

message: The following articles fit the new guideline of C-Class but don't fit the guidelines of B-Class a list of upgraded articles are (by importance):
Start-Top Importance
*Big Brother (UK)
*Big Brother (Bulgaria)
Start-High Importance
*Big Brother 1 (Bulgaria)
*Big Brother 2 (Bulgaria)
*Big Brother 3 (Bulgaria)
*Big Brother 1 (U.S.)
*Big Brother 2 (U.S.)
*Big Brother 3 (U.S.)
*Big Brother 9 (U.S.) highlights
*Big Brother 2000 (UK)
*Big Brother 2001 (UK)
*Big Brother 2002 (UK)
*Big Brother 2003 (UK)
*Big Brother Australia 2001
*Big Brother Australia 2004
*Big Brother Suomi 2005
*Big Brother Suomi 2006
*Big Brother Panto
*Pinoy Big Brother (season 2)
*Pinoy Big Brother: Celebrity Edition 2
Start-Mid Importance
*Anthony Mundine
*Brigitte Nielsen
Stub Class
*Big Brother Australia 2008
♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles upgraded to C-Class 

message: I was unaware that we needed to have a discussion about the new C-Class classification on the quality scale. ((Other WikiProject responses) So my question is should we (WP:Big Brother) adopt this new classification? I think so since now B-Class has had its requirements tightened and I had demote 11 former B-Class articles to C-Class due to the new change. Also this means that some of the Start/Stub articles could move up to C-Class classification as well. Since I kinda implimented this without a proper discussion you can see which articles I had to demote from B-Class and why and from my understanding articles that moved up to C-Class. So after explaining my mistake, my question is should we continue with C-Class or just keep A-Class, FA-Class, B-Class, Start-Class, and Stub-Class? ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice about the new C-Class quality classification 

message: *Support' I support C-Class because there are some articles that are just inbetween Start-Class and B-Class and isn't fair to them being classed as Start. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: I know that talk pages are usually meant for helping improve articles but I just wanted to take the time to apologize for any edits to any Big Brother pages or User/talk pages that my compromised account of Atlantics88 may have made. I was on holiday at the time that someone got into my account. After trying and failing to unblock my account, I decided to make a new account. I hope it didn't disrupt the pages many of you take the time to edit. Thank you. =) Infuriated-Z (talk) (formerly compromised as Atlantics88) 09:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notice

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thread_title:  Articles flagged for cleanup 

message: Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.
We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations. 
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We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 23:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Big Brother 

message: I was thinking and this project really isn't as active as it used to be. I was thinking that for 2009 we could revamp the project to be more informative and active. Due to the amount of Big Brother related articles I was thinking we could create task forces within the project in order to help deal with the magnitude of articles.
Some example task forces could be:
*Big Brother - United Kingdom Focuses on British edition, goes into formatting details regarding the article.
*Big Brother - United States A task force for the American version, it will go into more specific detail on how to format articles and the voting history tables due to the different rules it follows. 
*Big Brother - English A task force for other English language versions of the show like in Australia & Africa.
*Big Brother - Germany Focuses on the Germain version.
*Big Brother - Spanish Goes into more details about the Spanish versions of the show such as the Spain/Argentina versions.
*Big Brother - French Focuses on both the Canada/France versions of Big Brother like Loft Story/Secret Story.
We may not need this many task forces but having a few "specific" task forces especially for the older versions like for USA, UK, Germany, Spain, etc. this will help provide more focus on those editions. Also having some task forces could also help us get some of these articles up to GA and FA status.
What do you guys think? Good idea? Bad idea? ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 07:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Revamp