Talk:IJ (Amsterdam)

message: Is this considered a "lake" because damns and locks have enclosed it, if even only by feet and inches?  It would seem that it'd be better to describe it as a canal. --68.31.180.251 (talk) 07:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the wikipedia article on canal, a canal is man-made, while the IJ is definitely of natural origin. Historically a sea bay with salty (or brackish?) water, today it has fresh water and has the characteristics of a river (there is some flow), a lake (by its shape), a canal (by the man-made shores and locks you already mentioned), but none of these concepts seems to cover the IJ correctly. Perhaps that's why we Dutchmen stay on the safe side and keep calling it the IJ, a Dutch word fallen into disuse, meaning water (compare French eau). If you insist on a comprehensive term, you would have to fall back on something vague, like body of water. Even the Dutch language, with its dozens of terms for surface water bodies, can't cover the IJ. We do have several songs covering it though. ;) Jaho (talk) 20:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lake?

message: "Today, the IJ is divided into two parts: the Binnen-リ (inner リ) or Afgesloten-リ' (closed リ), and the Buiten-リ (outer リ)."
Is there a reason that the article uses a Japanese character to represent the IJ digraph? --Damian Yerrick (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ri != IJ 

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message: If I'm understanding these words correctly, wouldn't it be more clear to simply say that the Buiten-IJ is the part that lies outside the eastern locks, and the Binnen-IJ is the part within the eastern and western locks (i.e. the channelized part of the old bay)?  I think the dividing line needs to be clarified, and someone from the area or more familiar with the area can make these changes. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:04, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the Dutch version of this page says just that, and even uses a different term.  The Afgesloten-IJ is the "closed IJ" west of the Oranjesluizen (Orange Sluices/Locks).  The Buiten-IJ is the "open IJ" outside/east of the Oranjesluizen.  I'd suggest a native Dutch-speaker move a lot of the information on the Dutch page over to this one, as it's much more clear and detailed. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:34, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Binnen & Buiten Ĳ