Talk:Scouts South Africa

message: We need somebody with more knowledge in Cubs and in Rovers to fill out those specific sections. I've done what I can with the Scouts section, although I do feel that the advancement badges need a bit more info. Our Advancement system is a unique in the world of Scouting (As far as I can tell) Jediwannabe 07:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the Rover Section. I'll put a bit more work into the sections history when I have time. ZARover (talk) 13:57, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Subject matter experts

message: Hi, somebody needs to comb through this article and make sure all the terminology is in line with the new policies. For example, Group Scouter should be Scout Group Leader. 'Parent Committees' don't officially exist anymore either. ZARover (talk) 14:00, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  RevIt & New Policies 

message: I've removed the following text from the article onto the talk page:
:Could a Pack Scouter (or somebody who knows more about Cubs in SA) please fill in what the Cub program aims for 
:From what I know, the Cub programme aims to instill and teach in the cubs all the basic skills needed for the time that a cub becomes a scout. Cubbing, sometimes taken lightly, is a vital part of the movement as it is here that the foundations are laid, so that more progressive and intuitive learning can take place in the scouting environment. (Potzen)
Zaian 21:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cub section needs to overhauled to match the new system that was recently implemented. I'm not knowledgeable on the topic though I'm afraid.ZARover (talk) 14:01, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cub programme 

message: With a longer lead, more refs, and some tweaks, this could easily be a [[WP:GA|Good Article] or even A-class article. If anyone bites, let me know and I'll give the rating a re-look. Rlevse 18:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's move the talk here. For FA, do the lead summary, more footnotes, see if some lists can be converted to prose, and get rid of the 1-2 sentences paragraphs by combining short ones or expanding them; then have me take another look.Rlevse 11:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done a little bit more to the lead, added a few footnotes. I'll look into the lists and get rid of those short paragraphs. One thing I'm thinking about is possibly moving the history and Scout program sections into seperate daughter articles, do you think it will improve the quality of the article? I'll let you know when I think it's ready to be re-evaluated. Jediwannabe 08:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article improvement

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replies: text: Ok, i've basically rewritten large portions of the article, resorted it and reduced the size of the table of contents, and lots else. Any other suggestions? Jediwannabe 07:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[South African Scout Association]] Peer Review output

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thread_title: New PR to review for GA nom

message: I don't have time to write all my comments down, but here are my main thoughts on this.  This is a very interesting and well written article.  I almost passed it despite my concerns.  But here are my concerns:
*1) It needs more references/citations---particularly in the history section.  There were a lot of places that I felt you needed citations.  I'll try to go through the article later to note those places.
*2) This article cries out for pictures.  The pictures you absolutely have to find are: a-The beeds referenced of Kind Dinizulu, b- the uniform designed by Powell for the police c- the uniform that is now used that is based on b.  This article HAS to have pictures!
*3) I know this is written in British or possibly S.A. English, but is Learnt the correct spelling?  I didn't want to correct it, because I suspect that it's just a linquistical variation, but be forwarned that it looks and sounds very akward for American English speakers.
I'll add more notes later on, but I wanted to hit the main points really quick.  Again, this is by far the best article that I've read in my short time as a GA reviewer.Balloonman 23:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Going to move this to pass (forgot to sign)Balloonman 20:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: I'd like to see this article reach FA status, but first I'd like to get some comments and suggestions from members of the Scouting WikiProject for tips on how the article can be improved to increase it's chances of achieving FA. Thanks in advance. -- YiS,  Jediwannabe 07:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting]] Peer review 

message: Has anyone heard or the Boy Scout Siver Cross for Gallantry? I can't find any information on it.
My grandfather won one and I have the medal and citation but cannot find any further information. (South Africa in 1929 for rescuing a person from drowning at sea) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.124.247.200 (talk) 02:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not, I am duplicating this to the South African Scout Association talk page to see if they can help. Chris 02:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  See  for a recipient of this award in 1909. Zaian 05:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boy Scout Cross for Valor 

message: As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. However, in reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that need to be addressed. I have made minor corrections and have included several points below that need to be addressed for the article to remain a GA. Please address them within seven days and the article will maintain its GA status. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted. If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. To keep tabs on your progress so far, either strike through the completed tasks or put checks next to them.
#The "Cub Promise" and "Cub Law" need to have inline citations afterwards. Do the same for "Scout and Rover Promise" and "Scout and Rover Law". it was already on the last one, I've added it to the others, at the end of each
#"The Association is divided into seven Areas, namely Cape Eastern, Cape Western[1], Central, Gauteng[2], KwaZulu-Natal[3], Mpumalanga[4] and Northwest[5]." Reformat this statement so the actual words are linked instead of having external links formatted as numbers afterwards.
#The "International links" section needs to be rewritten as it currently reads as a list and multiple brief paragraphs. See if you can merge some of these or add more information.
This article covers the topic well and if the above issues are addressed, I believe the article can remain a GA. I will leave the article on hold for seven days, but if progress is being made and an extension is needed, one may be given. I will leave messages on the talk pages of the main contributors to the article along with the related WikiProjects so that the workload can be shared. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Worked all items. Let me know if you have more concerns.  — Rlevse • Talk •  01:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

message: I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. Superb job on addressing the above issues so quickly. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. I would recommend souring the "International Links" section with any available sources. It would also be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps Review: Pass

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This section contains no citations, and as such is at risk of being deleted. I am very certain that records do exist for this entity, but they need to be cited for independent verification. There must, at the very least, be minutes of meetings and other records, probably held in the archives of Scouts South Africa or the Boy Scouts' Association of South Africa, or even by individuals who hold them. Please note that in order to qualify as references for Wikipedia, they should be deposited in a repository open to public access. Michael J. Mullany (talk) 00:22, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this section needs citations, or it should be substantially trimmed to a summary that can be cited from public sources, such as the organisation's history pages at ,  and . Zaian (talk) 08:31, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

text: I've had a look back through the history of this section, and it would seem to have been written (at least initially) by Dudley Forde himself; although he no longer appears to contribute under his own name, if at all. We can verify the existence of PLTU from the Scouts South Africa web site, as well as Dudley Forde as its founder; but little else. I am in touch with people in Scouts South Africa who should be able to help, so let me try that angle before we take a lot of this section down. Michael J. Mullany (talk) 08:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK. Scouts South Africa has its own wiki site with a history section - Dudley Forde's contributions would fit well on that site. scoutwiki.scouts.org.za. Zaian (talk) 09:34, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patrol Leader Training Unit