Talk:List of WWE personnel/Archive 3

message: I think that you should also put JBL as a part time wrestler.
:Why?  He hasn't wrestled in several months.  He's basically retired at this point.  --James Duggan 21:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: John Bradshaw Layfield

message: I do not know why Bionic William is puting nicknames, just b/c TNA has it that doesn't mean WWE should people are not stupid they know who the animal is and the samoan bulldozer.....etc
this is so stupid, is not necessary
User:JustMaria
I just think it proper to have both the TNA & WWE Rosters to have the same format as far as names go. {please debate on Project talk page}
BionicWilliam 20:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And that is what I was getting at with liking the list as it was.  Michaels, Flair, Coachman, Duggan, Lawler, Masters, Moore, Layfield and Mizanin (and Compton and Stevens in OVW) are never mentioned without their nicknames.  The others... their nicknames aren't as integrated with their ring name as the one's I've mentioned.  --Dubhagan 03:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, some nicknames are part of the ring name.  --Dubhagan 23:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: This is what i've read on wrestlingexposed.com about the following superstars. (I'm NOT saying change the roster or anything i'm just saying you should look into it and i'm pretty sure i'm right about all these but i'm leaving up to you becuase I could be wrong.)
Super Crazy - Medical problems (WWE found something in his blood they didn't agree with but not too bad to the point of suspension, Hes in the catagory of Bobby Lashley and The Great Khali.)
Kid Kash - On a further update he has been suspended.
Jamie Noble - He has been taking off the road due to Kid Kash being his tag team partener.
Matt Hardy - Being taken off the road soon, there hasn't been a reason issued yet.
--Jigsaw12 22:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but right now he's still injured.  When he returns from injury to OVW, then he can be moved there.  --Dubhagan 03:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That'll be his last appearance.  According to his official website, he still has strains of the staph infection he had a while ago, so he's taking some time off to fully rid his body of it.  He won't be gone long.  --Dubhagan 03:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Probably last appearance.  Like Hardy, he was only there because of the PPV two days before.  --Dubhagan 22:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearing Up Inactive

message: I'm a little behinde but how do you know that Matt Styker, Deuce Shade, and Chris Hamrick are going to ECW? --
PWInsider is reporting that Matt Striker and Hardcore Holly are in ECW now. Any clearification on this
Jigsaw12 20:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ECW

message: Does anyone else think maybe we should get rid of the real names in parenthesis. I think it looks kind of bad that since some people use their real name, it's not next to them. It looks inconsistant and ugly. Crazy4metallica  19:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. Besides, if people want their real names, they can look in the article.--Yugioh73036 02:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That's because WWE follows kayfabe, we don't.  --Dubhagan 19:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Listing Real Name

message: shouldn't we put Jillian and Ashley as a tag team also with Kristal and Michelle McCool under ther stables and tag team?
JustMaria 02:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smackdown Divas Tag Team 

message: They are both inactive for the same reason, but their notes are different. Though it is minor, shouldn't we be consistent? RedvBlue 12:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The note for Jamie is: "Taken off the road since he's teaming with Kash". The note for Jake is "Last appearance was on the May 12 edition of Smackdown!". These are two completely different notes, even though they are inactive for the same reason. I am asking for there to be consistency. RedvBlue 16:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jamie and Jake

message: From now on I propose that the talent on the inactive list, should have their condition and when they are returning. If the return date is not available than leave it out. --Jigsaw12 00:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tatanka wrestled at this weeks SD! taping, so you'll see him wrestle on Friday.  Not sure about Kash and Noble.  --Dubhagan 01:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  *sigh* Thought Kash was suspended? He is inactive. Not sure about Noble, he might be fighting singles matches at house shows. I think you're proposal Jigsaw, is rather redundant considering we don't add false dates or add rumors anyways. — Moe Epsilon 01:39 August 02 '06
Yeah, I get we don't post false dates and rumors. Although the page isn't consistant with that statement... Seeing how people switch from active to inactive without full confirmation everyday. Maybe we should start putting wrestlers inactive only when confirmed by WWE or another source that isn't just rumor speculation. For example a highly respected reporter from pwinsider.com... But still than what they know could be false as some of the time it is. --Jigsaw12 02:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inactive

message: why is francine being put on the managers section she not managing anyone for now why is she put on the managers section she should be put on the female wrestlers section.
::She hasn't wrestled yet. So it is uncertain that she will be a female wrestler. In my opinion, I would indeed have this site set up way different. But I am willing to work with what I got and I think she should be put on other on-air talent list. I would list her on Female wrestlers though just because its obvious she is. --Jigsaw12 02:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Francine Fournier 

message: Ok, Shannon Moore should be inactive for the simple reason your not going to turn on ECW and see him wrestle. Your going to see him cutting promos to hype his debut into ECW. --Jigsaw12 03:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shannon Moore 

message: I purpose these rules..
Rule One: Talent shall be considered inactive while they cut promo videos.
Rule Two: If the reason why talent is inactive is only rumor and nothing can be confirmed, it shall be read as Taken off road for unknown reasons. This will stop rumors from spreading and false claims being put on the page.
Rule Three: All changes should be put Editing Talk (Discussion) and have clear reasonings for the changes. This will stop confussion and editing wars. --Jigsaw12 03:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearing Up & Discussing Inactive Talent 

message: I think the page should be protected. Due to random editors thinking what they think should be on the page. --Jigsaw12 03:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lock the Page 

message: Ok, I just watched SD! here in Canada, and even though there were reports last week that Tatanka and referee Jim Korderas were pulled off the road, they were both on SD! this week.  I'm confused.  What's the deal?  --James Duggan 02:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SD! inactive 

message: So is REbecca officially signed by WWE? or not because at wwe.com they said that Rebecca was going to take part of the training in DSW, should we add her to the roster?
17:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  REbecca DiPietro 

message: Jeff Hardy has signed with WWE. --Jigsaw12 18:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For those wondering Jeff Hardy is listed under the heading "Unassigned talent". 216.78.95.111 22:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Keep watching, RAW's on a one hour tape delay in Canada, now that it's on The Score.  --James Duggan 03:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Any second now.  Gerweck.net says it airs right after Orton/Lawler, probably after the commercial break.  --James Duggan 03:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Not sure, it doesn't specify RAW specifically.  We'll have to wait and see if it airs during ECW or SD! this week.  --James Duggan 03:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too, people are going to keep this up though until Jeff does make his debut. It's pretty annoying. TJ Spyke 17:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think it is, we still don't know for sure he will return to the RAW roster and should stay in the unassigned list for now. TJ Spyke 20:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If he's not returning to RAW then why only show his promo on RAW and not the other brands?  --James Duggan 20:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He probably will return to RAW, but we don't know for sure. That's why he shouldn't be listed under RAW yet. TJ Spyke 21:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Now that it's official that he is returning to RAW we can stop worring about the trolls moving him. TJ Spyke 02:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Tonight on RAW a video promo aired again and at the end it said "Jeff Hardy Coming to RAW Next Monday". TJ Spyke 05:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To make it clear for people. TJ Spyke 19:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: WWE.com isn't always updated. Jeff debuted on Raw, and until he appears for ECW or Smackdown, LEAVE him on the roster. RobJ1981 19:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeff Hardy 

message: I have combinded there names so it would link to the Team Articles since the have no real team names
BionicWilliam 22:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ?? No real tag name? There name is Cade and Murdoch not Lance Cade and Trevor Murdoch, hence there is an article called Cade and Murdoch. 216.78.95.111 22:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize it was a combo of the two. The removal of thier team articles would not make it an orphan per se. Plus, I wasn't removing it. 216.78.95.111 22:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Which article would they recreate? Wouldn't a redirect to it help? 216.78.95.111 22:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, then we create redirects. :) Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch and Paul London & Brian Kendrick 216.78.95.189 00:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I think Cade & Murdoch went by the name "TNT" early on in OVW but I wouldn't suggest we use that now. Mattlore 01:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The two teams have no names, leave it at that. WWE.com can list it at whatever, but the fact of the matter is: they have no official name. Until they do, leave it alone. RobJ1981 00:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cade/Murdoch and London/Kindrick

message: Why where Victoria Crawford's name is by her its says Tori is that a stage name or is that how she is going as her name or a stage name given by WWE, can somebody answer that for me THANKS.
:A few weeks ago she accompanied Elijah Burke to the ring on OVW TV and her name was listed as Tori.  --James Duggan 00:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victoria Crawford 

message: She's had two new pictures on the official site in a week. and now her profile is not on the official Smackdown roster? Is she not there anymore?
:Don't trust the official WWE site, they aren't always accurate. They sometimes forget to take down pictures, as well as deleting things by accident sometimes.
Could have been a hacker.  --James Duggan 01:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Her profile's back up.  --James Duggan 15:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is up with Kristal Marshall? 

message: I think we could do away with it.  Many of the female valets are also wrestlers so it could be confusing to people.  --James Duggan 02:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, hello, most valets are also wrestlers.  About an hour ago someone put Melina under Female Wrestlers even though she was still listed under Valets.  Since the Managers/Valets lists are small, and that there might be confusion as to where they are Valets or Female wrestlers, I feel we should do away with that section.  --James Duggan 03:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Why do you think it's fine how it is?  --James Duggan 21:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: They'll still say who they manage beside their name so what difference will it make?  James Duggan 01:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

text: That's what I'm saying, but Maria won't have it.  And just to confuse the issue even more, now Lita's the Women's champ, but wait, isn't she a valet?  It's situations like this I was trying to avoid.  James Duggan 01:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Managers/valets section 

message: Wheres the confirmation of Rob Conway being inactive, we dont post rumors or possible false information. Also Kristal Marshall hasn't been reported as inactive by any source and shouldn't be inactive on our list till more information is given. --Jigsaw12 05:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know he's been wrestling in OVW doing houseshows against Eugene.  --James Duggan 06:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Conway wrestled a dark match before RAW this week, he teamed up with Charlie Haas to take on Neighborhoodie and Shad Gaspard of OVW. TJ Spyke 17:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Inactive 

message: Did they wrestle on ECW? If they did shouldn't they be on the main roster and not other talent?
:They do house shows, but not TV yet, so it doesn't count.  --James Duggan 04:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basham 

message: I'd just like to remind some people that most insider sites are not always right. For the most part alot of them post wrong information often and are correcting themselves alot. So far from what i've learned is that pwinsider.com is probably the most accurate site although not 100%. They do have respected reporters and a good way of answearing many questions we may have. So some of you that arn't sure should contact them if your out of ideas. Jigsaw12 18:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insider Sites 

message: I'm changing personal issues to unknown reasons, just for the fact that its not specific and Super Crazy and Joey mercury can be considered personal issues. So i'm keeping it consistant and just having it say unknown reasons. Jigsaw12 02:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kid Kash 

message: *I don't think this is their official name. I remember Michelle McCool calling them that (when they first debuted), but since then.. I don't think that name has been used. Can anyone confirm this? I looked at the WWE website, and didn't see the Teacher's Pets name listed, when I checked a few days ago. If it isn't used now, it shouldn't be listed as their name. RobJ1981 02:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Teacher's Pets

message: I'd just like to point out that Sharmell isn't called Queen Sharmell; The name isn't copy written; No one calls her Queen Sharmell, they say king bookers Queen, Sharmell... And on the WWE website shes sited as Sharmell not Queen Sharmell. I also believe Booker says My Queen... Sharmell. So hes not calling her Queen Sharmell... the only people who called her Queen Sharmell would be the odd commentator and Booker's Court. Jigsaw12 04:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She is called Queen Sharmell. When she is announced to the ring, she is announced as Queen Sharmell, as Booker T is called King Booker. Don't change it until the gimmick has changes back to her old self, or she has a new one. — Moe Epsilon 05:20 August 22 '06
Have any of you seen her profile on WWE.com?  She is now listed as Queen Sharmell.  James Duggan 16:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sharmell 

message: Just wondering, where has it been "confirmed" that she will be on SmackDown? TJ Spyke 03:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tonight's SD! taping.  Though to avoid it being a spoiler, I put her under inactive.  --James Duggan 03:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I didn't know because when I asked that Wrestling Observer didn't have the SD spoilers up yet. TJ Spyke 04:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gerweck.net has two fan reports up already.  James Duggan 04:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's still a spoiler if it's under inactive for a certain brand: keep spoilers off. I moved her to unassigned talent (and hopefully she remains there until Smackdown airs on Friday). Respect people that don't want to read spoilers of a show that airs later in the week on television. RobJ1981 04:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Layla El]] 

message: *It's come to my attention, that almost anytime a TV taping for Smackdown (the most notable example) takes place on Tuesday: the new roster changes are listed. This is simply wrong. Follow kayfabe: if it hasn't aired on TV yet, it hasn't taken place. To make it simplier: NO spoiler warnings. Not everyone reads the Smackdown tapings reports online, so respect that. So far due to August 22 Smackdown tapings I've had to remove two things, because people have listed spoilers. RobJ1981 12:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had to remove things again. Listing when they are returning is a spoiler in my opinion as well... UNLESS it's part of a Smackdown preview on WWE.com (or just mentioned on the site), it doesn't belong on this page. Why can't people just be patient and wait until Friday when the show airs?  Stop spoiling it for people, not everyone wants to know what happens before it airs on television! RobJ1981 13:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting them in inactive is still spoiling things, since it lists what brand they are going to be on (before it is known to the general public, since WWE.com rarely reveals where new people are going before the show is taped and/or airs live on television). RobJ1981 20:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: All I have left to say is: this page is NOT for spoilers, period. The roster page is not for revealing who debuts at TV tapings (before it airs on television), end of discussion. If you can't handle that truth, there is nothing else to say about this. RobJ1981 23:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A note about events that take place at TV tapings

message: I thought I would gloat to Jigsaw12 about the recent update on Super Crazy  — Moe Epsilon 14:32 August 26 '06
:From the talk page header- Please do not use it as a forum for general discussion about the article's subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RobJ1981 (talk • contribs) 
::Wrong again. This is about the article wording which Jigsaw12 challenged in the above section about Super Crazy, which is about the subject of the article. Please, next time you tell me what this page is used for, pay attention to relevant discussion on the page. — Moe Epsilon 18:29 August 26 '06
:::Either way, just posting to gloat about something is simply rude and not needed here as well. RobJ1981 19:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with RobJ1981, that was totally uncalled for, rude and just not needed here, you should get banned for making a comment like that. Renosecond 03:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Super Crazy

message: To prevent this from turning into an edit war, I will say this - only Kennedy refers to himself as Mr. Kennedy.  His official ring name is Ken Kennedy, as per WWE.com.  --James Duggan 03:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure it will be an edit war either way, people don't always go by what WWE.com has posted. RobJ1981 18:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The announcers refer to him as "Mr. Kennedy", Tony Chimel calls him "Mr. Kennedy", the on screen graphic says "Mr. Kennedy". His ring name is "Mr. Kennedy". TJ Spyke 05:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I just noticed that WWE.com uses both.  I propose that we have him listed as Mr. Ken Kennedy since there are people that feel Mr. should be included and people that feel Ken should be included, because WWE.com and the announcers still mention his first name.  James Duggan 05:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: We could also put Ken in brackets if Mr. is more promenant.  James Duggan 05:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Mr. is more prominent. While they do say Ken on occasion, he is almost always referred to as Mr. Kennedy, so maybe "Ken" should go in brackets.
On a related note, should Finlay be listed as "Sir Finlay"? I noticed on RAW that Shane called William Regal "Sir William Regal" but he only called Finlay "Finlay". TJ Spyke 05:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I noticed that too.  WWE.com does the same thing.  They now list Regal as Sir William Regal, but they haven't done the same for Finlay.  Looking at their individual bio's on WWE.com, for Regal they say "now known as Sir William Regal"  but they don't do that for Finlay.  I'd wait 'til SD! airs for that one, just to see how he's announced and referred to then.  James Duggan 06:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think listing a name a certain way makes a big difference. He is known as Mr. Kennedy or Ken Kennedy, just list it as one... and keep it that way.  Same goes for Regal and Finlay. I don't see why it's such an issue to be so perfect about the matter. The announcers have slipped up a few times I believe, and called King Booker: Booker T. It doesn't mean the roster page should list him as Booker T again. I think this editing over a small thing in a name is just silly and pointless. It's not a big deal, period. RobJ1981 10:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Batista is called Dave but is officially Batista. Finlay has been called Dave but is officially Finlay Funaki has been called SHO but is officially Funaki. Mr. Kennedy is called Ken but is officially Mr. Kennedy. If that isn't clear enough, I don't know that is. I'm changing it. L2K 23:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, let's do this. sice the site DOES say "Ken Kennedy"' we'll put Ken in (). because on screen, its always Mr. Kennedy. so for the sake of argument, let's have it as Mr. (Ken) Kennedy. L2K 17:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ken Kennedy 

message: Just because someone is wrestling at house shows doesn't mean they've officially been called up.  Prudius, Neikirk and O'Reilly are still in DSW and Skyfire is still in OVW.  --James Duggan 07:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  House shows 

message: Ok, Smith has been up on the Inactive Status for quite a while. Does anyone know when WWE is going to debut, if at all? Some information would be nice. --AugustWitnerman 11:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one knows when he'll debut on TV.  I don't think WWE knows when he'll debut on TV.  All I know is that he isn't working either DSW or OVW so he can't be moved there.  He just has to stay RAW inactive until he debuts on TV, whenever that is.  --James Duggan 05:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Harry Smith

message: Does anyone know for sure if Khali really is injured or this is just some nonsense from someone who doesn't like him and wants us to think he's gone? Night Bringer 22:39, August 30 (GMT +10)
:All the sites are saying he's getting surgery done on both knees.  --James Duggan 23:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Khali injured?

message: Derek Neikirk & Ryan O'Reilly are listed under the ECW stables but are members of DSW.
68.74.45.93 17:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I missed that when I put Neikirk and O'Reilly back in DSW.  --James Duggan 18:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Big Show and Hardcore Holly belong listed with Heyman's Security+Paul Heyman. Granted they all appeared at the end of ECW together: that doesn't completely mean they are a full blown stable. It won't hurt to wait and see if it's a stable, before assuming. RobJ1981 22:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ECW Stables 

message: I don't think WWE has ever called KC James and Idol Stevens as this. Can someone check? I think it might just be something fans have called them, just like they call Paul London and Brian Kendrick "The Hooligans". TJ Spyke 01:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't sound like it's being used as the "official" team name, but from Idol Stevens WWE.com bio: "Idol Stevens, along with his partner K.C. James, make up Diva Michelle McCool's "teacher's pets" and are SmackDown's newest tag team." (KC's bio says the same thing).  Also, from last weeks SD! results: "Based on the events of Friday night, the SmackDown tag team division has certainly heated up. From the Pitbulls to Michelle McCool’s “teacher’s pets,” everyone is hungry for the WWE Tag Team Championship."  It appears that WWE is regularly refering to them as "teacher's pets", but it doesn't sound like it's the official name.  But at the same time, since WWE keeps making reference to that phrase, it could also be considered official enough.  Because WWE does frequently reference that name, I don't mind it being included here.  It's not like "The Hooligans" as it's not confined to the fans.  --James Duggan 08:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teacher's Pets 

message: Hey. i no  this has nothing to do with teachers pets but what happened to the recent changes section on the wwe roster page, i cant tell whats been changed and where the vandalisim might come in
:Just click on the tab called "History".  It's the same thing.  James Duggan 19:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inquiry