Talk:French expedition to Korea

message: The name of this article is completely counterintutive to English speakers, who are not familar with Sino-Korean dating practices. I suggest a page move to a page name corresponding to the French language page, Expédition en Corée du contre-amiral Roze. What about French intervention in Korea, 1866? --Niohe 03:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds much better. Why don't we just move it then?--Niohe 12:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Change name

message: I changed the portions asserting that the encounter resulted in the return of the remaining missionaries. To my mind only three French missionaries survived the crack down (including Father Ridel). None of these were returned per se. Ridel escaped to China first to alert the French authorities there of the massacre and the other two later escaped by boat as well, just as the French expedition was crossing to Korea. By the time the French arrived at Ganghwa there were no more French missionaries in country. Straitgate 07:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Straitgate. The story about the return of the two missionnaries is from here ("Le résultat est immédiat: les deux missionnaires sont remis à l'Amiral.", in Leon Rochotte "La Corée 5.000 ans d'Histoire en raccourci"). Do you have sources for the alternative story? Regards PHG 07:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Hello PHG. Thanks for the link. I found it very interesting since that was the first I had ever read that Roze forced the release of the two prisoners (or in fact that they were ever taken prisoner, from all I have read they escaped into hiding). I was curious as to his source for that but all he has is Marc Orange (I think that other citation is a biographical piece on Roze). I have a copy of an article by Orange of the same title but published by the Revue de Coree in 1976. Nowhere in that does he mention such an encounter and release. However, he does quote in his appendix a letter from Father Ridel which recounts how Ridel questioned some fishermen during the expedition to Ganghwa regarding news of the two lost missionaries: “J‘eus ensuite des détails sur mes deux confrères, MM. Féron et Calais. Lors de la première expédition, ces mêmes matelots avaient essayé de les amener jusqu‘à nos navires, mais ils étaient arrivés deux jours trop tard, et, après avoir erré longtemps dans les îles, les avaient déposés sur une barque chinoise qui avait dû les amener à Tchefou.” (I then received some details regarding my brethren, Monsieurs Feron and Calais. At the time of our first expedition [the reconnaissance expedition of Sept.] these same fishermen had attempted to lead them [Feron and Calais] to our vessels but they arrived two days too late, and, after some time wandering among the islands, they placed them aboard a Chinese junk which took them to Chefoo). I guess it comes down to tracking the source of that online article but up to now I can find nothing that corroborates it. I am pretty sure Dallet would follow the account of Ridel.24.82.184.204 00:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the Ridel quote, it does sound quite compelling. Maybe it should even be included in the article. Best regards. PHG 05:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text:  Greetings Straitgate and PHG and other user. I'm Leon C. Rochotte, French Kor and Nam Vet Navy and author. About the return of the two missionaries my source is in "Cols bleus" 1998/10/24 (Bulletin of the French Navy) article "L'Amiral Roze" author M.Maxime Ferrière. Quote : ".... Entre les mains de l'amiral tombent des drapeaux, des canons, huit mille fusils, vingt caisses de lingots d'argent, sans compter des laques, des jades, des manuscrits et des rouleaux de peinture. L'amiral lance une proclamation assurant qu'il ne veut aucun mal aux Coréens, mais il exige qu'on lui livre deux missionnaires encore prisonniers. Et il attend. Le gouverneur coréen lui aussi attend. L'amiral finit par s'impatienter, et, après sommation, envoie quelques obus sur le palais royal, et sur les bâtiments officiels. Le résultat est immédiat : les deux missionnaires sont remis à l'amiral. Alors, celui-ci, ayant obtenu satisfaction et laissant les Coréens dans l'admiration respectueuse et craintive de la puissance française, appareille, et , pavillon haut, l'honneur étant sauf, redescend la rivière Han". About the term "boulevard", I think that the word "faubourg" is more appropriated. "Faubourg" means "suburb" in english. Sorry for the bad english... Regards Leon_C._Rochotte  —Preceding undated comment added 15:16, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits concerning return of missionaries

message: The "c" in "campaign" does not need to be capitalized. Also, the year seems superfluous in the title. 24.11.127.26 (talk) 02:17, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: How is it possible? Koreans barely resisted in one of the last monastery, had their capital bombed, missionaries escaped (so mission accomplished?) and the French captured a good booty. Plus, they had fewer casualties. I don't figure out as a big success for the French, but it is not a Korean victory either. I change the result. "French withdrawal, Korea reaffirms its isolationism" looks good for me. Does everyone agree?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.82.5.32 (talk) 11:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean military victory??? 

message: This depends on where you stand. Christian missionaries could be martyrs for Christians and evangelists. Korean troops killing them and fighting against the French could be martyrs for nationalist Koreans. So lets not use the word except when talking about the memorial maybe. I added quotes there too.--194.127.8.11 (talk) 12:03, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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