Talk:Screaming (music)

message: Okay whoever added the "tone needs cleanup" thing.... har har. real cute.
Deathtalon (talk) 10:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever did, was smart. This article is ridiculous. The whole thing just seems like an attempt by screamo fans to make this look like a legitimate form of vocals, which it is not. 98.18.209.196 (talk) 18:58, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, no, it's not a form of music at all. It's a vocal style. And yes, it's perfectly legitimate, just because you don't like it, that doesn't make it non-musical. 122.105.140.146 (talk) 10:52, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: comment

message: I'm objecting deletion. It is quite possible that this is original research.It's also quite possible to tell the difference between these different types of screaming, and as the topic says, they are often improperly grouped together. I'm not the author of this, but I do scream in a Post-Hardcore fashion, which is extremely different from a death metal vocals or even punk yelling. You can't just group musical singing styles together just because they have a common connection of being forms of screaming. It's like saying let's group together all the different species of cats and just give them the title of cats, rather than their different breeds. I know that's totally of topic, but it's just an example of why you can't group things like this together into one. Each has its own stylistics and and different approaches to actually sing them.
Ozzie347 17:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD

message: Someone should definitely add Black metal singing to this article, it is different from Death metal so it should be mentioned.MyTemple 16:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Add Black metal

message: The section about punk rock is not accurate at all. It mentions yelling and football chants. That was used with bands like black flag and suicidal tendencies. Thats OLD punk. Somebody needs to mention and describe the screaming style used in modern punk rock (i.e. Street punk)
I think the most recognisable examples would be Jorge from the casualties, and the famous "YAAAAAAAHHHHH" used by Mark from The Unseen. In the 80's punk was moslty yelling, but these days its more of a snarling scream than a yell.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.178.72 (talk) 22:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Punk rock?

message: I have ab objection to where grindcore is placed in the article.  The style is widely recognized as originating more from the punk geneology than from the metal one (having most of its roots in hardcore), so I propose that it be moved to the punk section, and the punk section be altered from "Punk rock" (which implies the late-90's movement only) to "Punk" (which implies all of its subgenres, from emo to hardcore to crust and all points inbetween, etc).  Anyone else agree?
:I like the way it's set up chronologically here, in terms of rise to popularity (first modern art music, 1950's and 60's, then punk, 1970's, then thrash and death, 1980's, then emo and post-hardcore, 1990's and 2000's). Moving emo and such into the Punk section would break that up... As for grindcore, doesn't really matter to me where it is, as long as the sources I dug up don't get removed. Chubbles 06:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps then we should just remove the genre headings and start each new section with "Screaming in the 1950's" (or whatever decade we are on next)?  I think that would work. Ours18 03:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that that is a great suggestion Ours18 that could help people understand the order that it is in.
Bradman3001 22:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Objection

message: I think that part should be removed it seems like a random advertisement and doesn't elaborate on the topic at all.
Bradman3001 10:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cross appears to be notable enough to mention, but that should not extend into blatant advertising for her technique, which I have removed twice now. Chubbles 19:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Zen Of Screaming 

message: Why not just hardcore?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.5.200.68 (talk) 03:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hardcore usually never has screaming, just shouting or yelling or talking • GunMetal Angel 08:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-hardcore? 

message: I think this could be a fabulous article, and some of the genre-as-tribe information contained is certainly relevant.  But it needs a LOT more to justify the title it's given. 
Screaming in music is hardly a new invention.   It may be that modern screamers aren't aware of that, but that doesn't make it new, and the suggestion that it's new and radical seems naive, undercutting the credibility.
A citation about screaming leading to loss of voice is needed, and from a source that will control for factors like cigarettes, booze, illness and other factors far more likely to damage the vocal tract than a perfectly ordinary and natural thing like screaming in singing.  
The idea that this is original 'research' doesn't work - these are notes: a few cultural observations on beleifs of a few genre-as-tribe groupings.  That doesn't make them invalid, just inadequate. It's a good subject - but it ought to be done right.
 
  Tsimbler (talk) 02:09, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screaming music is new? Since when? 

message: I think that the use of Screaming during the songs is an important component of the Grunge style. Don't you think?. Just hear up there out: Mudhoney, Screaming Trees, Nirvana, Melvins, Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, etc, etc, etc. Why don't you (or we) include it there?.  Garage kid. (talk) 04:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Grunge music|Grunge]] 

message: What the hell is "Hardcore screamers use blastbeats." supposed to mean? It does not make sense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.243.181 (talk) 06:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does that mean? 

message: Shouldn't Black Metal be added to this article? I mean, don't most black metal bands use a high pitched screaming and shrieking as a vocal type? Emo777 (talk) 08:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, death metal is mentioned, but black metal isn't, I don't even think any black metal bands are mentioned. Emo777 (talk) 01:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Metal 

message: Does anyone know an official source I can cite that clearly states the difference in screaming and death growl?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyngo (talk • contribs) 15:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screaming vs. Death Growl 

message: I mean they're both pretty much the same thing. Should we consider merging the two pages under the one title screaming (music)? -- 124.184.110.93 (talk) 08:18, 22 March 2011
:They're not the same thing by obviousness. But I understand your point and the answer to the merging idea would be a no since both vocal styles have a long history behind one another. Just like how lead guitar and rhythm guitar are separate articles. • GunMetal Angel 08:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: can log in or create an account.Underline 2604:2D80:9615:C300:144D:7ED8:C903:E228 (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Death growl 

message: There may be a difference between British and American rockers in regards to screaming.
See this thread -- http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApdlhQWH0sM1.KhD_MnaNCXty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20110913205903AABoOJF
see the question, and also jonathans answer (starts off "yes!" ).
Someone with better knowledge of rock should look into it, and if it is true, perhaps it should get its own section in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkkelf99 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're using Yahoo! questions as a source for something that barely even makes any sense as it is? Also, no one needs a "better knowledge of rock" to look into something, this website goes off of sources. This article may lack many sources to where they should be, but it should never be a suggestion of someone's knowledge to write up something in the case of adding something on here. • GunMetal Angel 08:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why American rockers scream, and proposal for a new section on British rockers 

message: I propose to change the title to the section titled "Nu metal" to "Other genres of metal", because the sections speaks about bands that fall into "industrial metal" (Mushroomhead, Fear Factory) "alternative metal" (Deftones, Spineshank) "alternative rock" (Linkin Park) and "metalcore" (Hatebreed). Also would be a good idea to rename the "Post hardcore" section "Post Hardcore and Metalcore". Nicrorus (talk) 01:36, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been more than a week since i posted the thing above. Im changing it now. Nicrorus (talk) 03:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

message: this user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thatposeur971 is adding three photos of three bands on the Same Record label. The article is formatted its One photo per section. CombatMarshmallow (talk) 22:10, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same Label  

message: The style and tone of this article are not encyclopedic; it reads like a column in a music magazine. The text needs to be less "passionate" and more academic. (C.f. the lines about Elvis, to cite just one instance.) Laodah 03:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor style

message: Clean vocals used to redirect here, but now, most references to it have been removed.  Why?  The article it redirects to now doesn't mention it at all. ZFT (talk) 05:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean vocals  

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