Talk:Pattern

message: Patterns1 represent only themselves . Designs are Patterns2 that represent something other than themselves like DNA, bridges, horses and computers. There are different types of patternsx in the pattern and design1 and/or design2 sense. Design1 would be a known/seen designer such as a human designing the bridge(the bridge represents something other than itself). Design2 is the subscript for an unseen designer who is known though such as Christ. 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.210.253.81 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patterns or Designs 

message: :Some natural phenomena, such as clouds, trees, and shorelines, have an approximately fractal character, but do not represent patterns in the strict sense of the term.
Removed. Since when does "pattern" have a commonly accepted "strict sense"? Also, what does it mean for something (e.g. a cloud) to "represent patterns"?
:Patterns may be observable through the senses of sight, hearing and touch.
Removed specific references to vision, hearing, and touch. This implies that patterns of smell and taste are impossibilities, which is silly.
--Ryguasu 16:36 Dec 3, 2002 (UTC)
:: Are you using pattern in the pattern or design sense? See http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/browse_frm/thread/3c6713a1bb23d97e#  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.215.10.61 (talk) 19:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  We are using 'pattern' in the general English sense of the word, not referring to a Greek Lexicon, or narrowly using it in a creation/evolution sense. Your link partly explained the words-containing-numbers that lost me in the section above, though !--195.137.93.171 (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Any thing that happens does so either in the pattern or design sense. Either the tornado had intent when he selected the house on the left for destruction or it didn't . Selection can also be used in the pattern or design sense. 1) The tornado selected the house on the left for destruction. 2) The man selected the house on the left for destruction. 1)-pattern and 2)-design. The word selection itself has no meaning only ideas in the pattern or design sense have meaning. Would evolution in creation/evolution be a pattern or design?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.212.24.182 (talk) 11:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: comments

message: This article stinks.  It's a disorganized mess, akin to creating an article for "doorknob" and then adding a ==See also== section for brass doorknobs, doorknobs in art, creatures that look like doorknobs, and entrances.  Someone probably started it as a dicdef (when they shouldn't have) and people just kept on adding onto it instead of putting it out of its misery.  I really have no clue what to replace it with, though, or even how to organize it.  It doesn't seem like it should be a disambiguation page.  --Ardonik 22:14, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
:'Pattern' is a very general concept - I feel specific instances should be either a 'disambiguation page' or 'See also' section, definitely not both (nor half-and-half, as at present). I don't know which of the two is Wikipedia's preferred pattern !) --195.137.93.171 (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: This article stinks

message: I think the disambiguation page for pattern is better than this page. Can we merge them? Do people do that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilary Gage (talk • contribs) 05:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: +1 for merging --boarders paradise (talk) 16:43, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: Hey I am revising this page for a class of mine.  So far I have removed the pegogical patterns section and provided a link in the see also section.  I got rid of the quotation section and divided the quotes into their respective sections (like the quote about patterns in art was placed into the Art section).  I changed some of the ordering of examples at the top of the page.
I am thinking about splitting the math and science section.  I don't really know what I want to do with the geometry section. The content seems a bit irrelevant to begin with.
There are many more changes on the way. Any suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated.
So, I have made a number of changes.  I got rid of some of the wordy context that made no sense and some of the misplaced sentences.  This is proving to be a bit more difficult than I first imagined.  It is a very broad and ambiguous topic.  Patterns may be found literally anywhere they are seeked out.  I don't even know where to begin adding so I have just been playing with available content.
Jkercher0 (talk) 16:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: - Dogears (talk) 19:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhauling 

message: Umm ... Google Translate says patron=boss !
This is unclear.
The wiktionary link gives
:Middle English patron < Old French patron < Latin patronus (“patron”) < pater (“father”). 
:For the semantic shift, a patron is to be thought of as a model citizen, i.e., to be imitated.
* Omit etymology ?
* Clarify 'Old French' ?
* Omit French and go straight to Latin ?
--195.137.93.171 (talk) 15:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  +1 from me --boarders paradise (talk) 16:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  pattern, from the French patron ? 

message: If we need to differentiate it from a copy, then the original can be called a 'form' instead? (as in 'true to form')
--195.137.93.171 (talk) 17:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pattern vs Form ? 

message: I suggest this section be deleted.  Besides being difficult to see its relevance, I think it is just wrong.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.146.24.22 (talk) 01:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Factor Authentication 

message: The article as it stands is not too bad on what it covers - it's plain and reasonably cited - but there is much it does not cover. In particular
* What is a pattern? The definition needs to be far wider than at present. All learning, all of science and mathematics, possibly all of human cognition relies on pattern. Refs needed of course.
* The two key meanings seem to be visual pattern, something that in some way repeats as a visual element; and logical pattern, something that can be applied repeatedly as a template or method for recognising or handling something. This needs explaining and developing. With refs.
* The coverage needs to be deepened as well as broadened; automatic pattern recognition for instance needs some explanation, as does the software development use of the term. No doubt other areas too. Again with refs. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:36, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Improving the article

message: Please write the correct reference for "Stewart, Ian. 2001. Pages 48-49" and alike. I wanted to look it up, but have no other relation to the topic, so i cannot judge, which book exactly has been referenced.
Helt cs (talk) 09:58, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's called a short reference, and we use it because we cite different pages of it in various places. The full reference is in the Bibliography under "Patterns in nature". Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, there is "Reference" written in the title of that section... But my main point is, that I do not believe that i am the only one runs into the issue: Clicking onto the footnote in the text and then wondering about the incompleteness of that reference. I just wanted to help those people that run into the same problem, regardless of the fact if this makes the references section look a bit more arkward. Helt cs (talk) 09:53, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Glad you've seen that. It is quite normal to use short form references, indeed they are a good thing because they reduce repetition (and the risk of error if anything needs updating). I have reordered the ref sections for clarity. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:52, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I am missing banknote pattern, its very typical, and cant be missed.--Mile (talk) 14:30, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  On the contrary, they are all different, to make them hard to copy. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:33, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Money, banknotes pattern