Talk:JuJu (album)

message: What makes Giant Steps weird is the way Coltrane breaks the octave into 3 equal parts. That doesn't happen in Yes and No. How are the two pieces harmonically similar? 24.7.87.135 08:05, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed finally to "Moment's Notice", which is more accurate.
"Yes or No" is not remotely harmonically similar to "Moment's Notice."  It's true.  The first half of the A section sits on a sus chord then resolves to the parallel major.  The second half of the tune goes to two unrelated keys, but not in such a way as is represented in any tune Coltrane ever wrote.  Parts of "Yes or No" are similar to parts of scores of other tunes but it's nothing like "Moment's Notice," "Lazy Bird" or any other Trane tune that moves around a lot harmonically.  It would actually be better not to try to compare the tune to anything than to compare it to a tune so entirely different.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.127.55 (talk) 05:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes and No like Giant steps 

message: * Shorter can heard playing 'long and volatile' lines on several albums, specifically Nefertiti, Sorcerer with Miles, and later albums such as Soothsayer and Schizophrenia.
* Naima has several long tones (15) compared with House of Jade which has only 5 and is not as spare as Naima. The melodic curve and motion of Naima is a general downwards motion, House of Jade is generally more upwards and ascending. They are in different keys, and Naima consists exclusively of a melody against a pedal, whereas House of Jade certainly does not, though it may have a pedal in the middle section.
* Harmonically, 'Yes and No' and 'Moment's Notice' are different. Yes and No rests upon a D pedal for 8 bars, with a quick succession of chords resulting in a Bb major not related to the original pedal and then a an E minor. Moment's Notice has an A section which is essentially 2-5-1's switching between home key and relative minor. The pedal point comes at the end of the A-section, rooted on the dominant, and has chords superimposed over it, whereas Yes and No has a minor chord over a pedal, then a major chord in the same key, having a mode mixture which is not discernable in Moment's Notice. The chords in the B section of Yes and No are a series of 2-5's over 6 bars in G minor, F major, Eb Major and then switching to A minor 7. In Moment's Notice, which is in Eb major (!) the 2-5's are different and the harmonic rhythm, that is, the rate at which these changes come, are much faster than Yes.  --82.38.248.132 (talk) 19:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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