Talk:Elizabeth de Burgh

message: Under the "Imprisonment" segment, it's unclear to me when this took place (at first reading I thought that the 12-year-old Elizabeth was RTB's daughter)- could that be cleaned up a little? - Puffy jacket 08:48, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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That is one anglophile interpretation and highly questionable. In fact, the quote would seem to have applied to herself and her husband, the king, not to their followers, and shows no indication that she did not approve and is more properly, "Alas, we are but king and queen of the May!" Lang, Andrew, "A history of Scotland from the Roman Occupation" She had good reason for her concern, being imprisoned by the English for eight years shortly after.
First, your making an assumption about the writer of the previous sentence, assuming bad faith and calling someone an anglophile because they form an opinion contrary to your own.
Second, that quote is hardly supportive of her high opinion. King and Queens of the May is derogatory. May is a short happy time, specifically in Celtic culture its the polar opposite to Holloween or Samhain, where that is Dark and about death and the end of the year, Beltaine (early May) is about life and the birth of the new year. The May Queen (which comes from Beltaine) is a make believe queen, beautiful but without any real lasting power. Therefor, shes saying that they are ruling over a fantasy, not reality, and that reality is doomed to pounce on them.
And, its already been mentioned, in more complicated terms than necassary, that she was imprisoned for 8 years, theres no point in restating it. If you want to mention that she was imprisoned for 8 years and that made her wary of the english, mention it as a summary of the she was moved from one castle to another part.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.16.133 (talk) 18:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I'm putting that quote back in, supporting that she had a low opinion of the rebellion. I also don't see where you get off calling someone an anglophile for that opinion. Let it be known, I am anything but an Anglophile, I am half-Scots, half-French and bitter beer makes me sick. But I also try to keep reality in my understanding of things, I drink Innis & Gunn because its a good tasting beer (relatively so even when warm, which is rare), not because its Scottish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.16.133 (talk) 18:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
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