Talk:Negotiations to end apartheid in South Africa

message: hasn't there been CODESA I and CODESA II? --Severino 17:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, see The origins and implementation of the Constitution. This needs to be included in the article. Zaian 08:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CODESA I and CODESA II

message: the introduction now says the article deals with negotiations between 90 and 93. but i am in doubt not only if the mahlabatini negotiations fit temporally but also with regards to contents in this article. it should be articulated which effect it had on the later negotiations and the end of apartheid (if any).--Severino (talk) 18:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, since the ruling National Party wasn't involved, this was hardly the beginning of the negotiations. Maybe it was the first contact between a whie parliamentarian and a black leader (albeit not the mainstream of black anti-apartheid activity). But the real question is, where is the reliable source to back the claim? Zaian (talk) 19:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Mahlabatini Declaration of Faith

message: I think the article should include a section that describes the late-1980s private negotiations facilitated by Consolidated Gold Fields and organized and moderated by Michael Young, which included the participation of Willie Esterhuyse, Thabo Mbeki, and others. I don't feel equipped to write such a section, as I know a limited amount about it and lack quick access to good reliable sources on it. These negotiations have surely been well-documented now-days, as Michael Young was appointed to the Order of the British Empire in recognition, the 2009 film Endgame was made as a dramatization of the negotiations, and they were a precursor to the release of Nelson Mandela and to the more formal negotiations that culminated in the dismantling of apartheid. I believe there are some books on it as well, and some books with chapters devoted to it, such as the one by Robert Harvey. Any thoughts? John Shandy` • talk 03:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, these talks were more important than the mentioned "Mahlabatini Declaration of Faith". i know that in allister sparks' "tomorrow is another country" these prenegotiations are dealt with. the article currently mentions the talks in dakar but i think those were not the same.--Severino (talk) 10:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of the private negotiations facilitated by Consolidated Gold Fields? 

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thread_title:  Dubious 

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message: I think we need to call this the " Convention of a Democratic South Africa (CODESA)" or Simply "CODESA" than its current topic. This topic should be part of the summary which explains that the CODESA was in fact the Negotiations to end apartheid in South Africa. Any Objections on this before I shift it? Bobbyshabangu talk 23:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, objections. It WAS called CODESA before being renamed. As you can read, there were other negotiations too, and the breakthrough came in the Multiparty Negotiating Forum.--Severino (talk) 07:53, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
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