Talk:Tien Shinhan

message: Can someone make Tien redirect to this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buster Sword (talk • contribs) 
:Already done, seems to be a while ago. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 00:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tien

message: I'm starting to disperse the information on this page to the various saga pages, I think it can likely be made into a redirect to the List of Earthlings article. Beowulph 15:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dissemination

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Tenshinhan photo.jpg

message: From the creator himself. Quoted from my Bekket Magazine.
  Tiens Power level at 22 Tenkaichi Budouki - 180
  Tiens Power level shortly after the fight with Radizt - 250
  Tiens Power level when Vegeta and Nappa Arive - 1,830
(Note Nappa says the Saibamen's Power level is the same as Raditz's. This is comparing apples and oranges. They're not exaclty the same, but they're in the same neighborhood Radizt - 1,500 Saibamen - 1,200)
(Note Nappas Power Level is 4,000 and Frieza's Final form Max Power is only 530,000 Frieza says that his second form is over 1 million. That is simply psychological warfare and a bluff)
- Prede (talk) 00:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Power Levels

message: Where are your references and sources who state tenshinhan as an alien and what about your amazing fake powerlevels.
Come on for once show us some proof about your unsourced claims. Your nonsense is amusing,please tell us more.
The forum i linked nobody said it could be an error stop with your biased selective nonsense and lies.
Some fanboys questioned if daizenshuu 7 was canon or not.Season 1 dbz uncut dvd also lists tenshinhan as an alien descendant.
If your book claims something prove it,you already lied too much about this.Cut the crap, you were busy to read my scans but every single time someone deleted your nonsense there you go prede was ready to restore his biased unsourced nonsense.
Show us the reference about this nonsense,lol "Tenshinhan is often compared with Yamucha in terms of both power and popularity."and this one too ^ "Biographies Tien"-WTF is this crap?????lol something official,ahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Warning
don't try to delete this again or i will report you for abuse here.
This is a discussion and both of you are ignoring wikipedia rules with unsourced editions.
About folken he already confirmed what i said period.
Impersonate folken?? Are you illiterate?
In the message above "incorrection" folken said what i told you --~~the-one~~195.23.133.162 (talk)the-one195.23.133.162 (talk)
:This is a fact, Yamcha has a big organized fanbase and few fanmangas, unlike Tenshinhan. And they are much close in power in android/cell saga, and that is a fact that every true Dragon Ball otaku will tell you. SSJ 5 (talk) 15:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven't read manga, have you? He didn't leave training ... He gave up fighting (which is as I recall what he said in both english and japanese anime) SSJ 5 (talk) 15:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your knowledge of Dragon Ball is ughhh ... I don't really have a word for that, and you obviously don't have a life so I'm just replying on your post here and nothing more. Tenshinhan's saibaman stood up almost immediately and was killed by vegeta, and if you studied dragon ball you'd know that prolonged exposure to the same gravity won't give you gravity benefit. Kaio sama already taught they needed to know so thats not a factor, otherwise it would have been shown. you are quoting non-existent stuff in order to prove you are right so its pointless really (Such as quoting fillers). Over and off SSJ 5 (talk) 12:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prede 

message: Where did this come from? The source doesn't seem to be valid? Or am I wrong? SSJ 5 (talk) 15:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are wrong the source is valid the encyclopedia says by akira toriyama and enlightenment is a fan made theorie--Saxnot (talk) 16:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is from my DragonBall Z Beckett Magazine. It is NOT a " a fan made theorie" it was printed in a MAGAZINE. But I think there may be a mistake, because some user insists the dayzenshuu 7 states he is an alien. I am waiting for a response from a person with the dayzenshuu 7, to check this. - Prede (talk) 19:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

text: you mean this "...is mainly based on the original manga, in which Ten' is a human." - Folken de Fanel
or this "Ten' was always a human and Toriyama never said anything about Ten being an "alien" - Folken de Fanel
or how about this "The Daizenshuu are full of inconsistancies and fallacies. They are good for refrence material but nothing in them can be accepted as accurate without evidence from other sources such as the manga itself" - .172.166.22.144 03:50 
I am still going to wait for his response on this... - Prede (talk) 23:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

text: For the record, this guy ain't me. Lot of impersonations going on around here ... Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Prede and Sesshomaru are right. Daizenshuus' ARE full of inconsistencies with the manga. I don't think that it is a valid source of info. And I've never heard of DragonBall Z Beckett Magazine (I'm from Serbia, we don't have it here.), so I can't really comment on that. SSJ 5 (talk) 14:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  How don't you get it??? Manga is THE WORD!!! Its always been like that and Daizenshuu can be used to add some interesting new facts like Tien beeing an alien (which I somewhat doubt (but its possible), cause you can see a lot thing lately approved by Toriyama and they contradict) ... For me manga is  the only truly reliable source of info and if you know dragon ball enough you can get almost every info out of it. And the Freeza back to life isn't an 
inconsistency ... It IS explained. And I'll just stop this right now and ignore every other post by you, that is not related to improving this article ... SSJ 5 (talk) 08:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The third eye is from becoming enlightened

message: Ok, I've finally got some time on my hands ... Should we give it a shot? SSJ 5 (talk) 14:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm willing to help. What took you so long man? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll help however I can ^.^ - Prede (talk) 07:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, ppl ... We'll start in day or two. I'll be searching for some material. SSJ 5 (talk) 08:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got some real world material. Tomorrow I won't be home for much of the day so I'll continue a bit later. SSJ 5 (talk) 23:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just commenting, try not using "Biographies Tien" (2001). Retrieved on 2008-03-14. “People often wondered if this three-eyed warrior was even human like Krillin or Yamcha. He is.”" or "http://www.thegrandline.com/dbzinfo/timeline.html" as references. They seem to fail Wikipedia:Reliable sources. A experienced user commented something like that here.--Tintor2 (talk) 17:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was upsy on something similar over here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I used  "Biographies Tien" (2001). Retrieved on 2008-03-14. “People often wondered if this three-eyed warrior was even human like Krillin or Yamcha. He is.”"  because it is about how fans veiw the character, so it probally does not to be a "great" reference, just something to prove we are not making this stuff. Although if there are better sources, they should be used instead. - Prede (talk) 20:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  We could sure use User:Folken de Fanel's help right about now. Wonder why he hasn't responded to this? ... Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I seem to can't get the right amount of info ... I don't wanna just copy some text form Yamucha article ... Guess that would look bad to the readers ... Someone has idea for rephrasing it? I got the source (Many same as Yamucha) ... + It seems that Tien did not have a prototype like Yamucha, Bulma or Goku.  SSJ 5 (talk) 02:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm re-phrase what? I say put what ever you have into the aricle and we can re-phrase it,  copy/edit it, and add to it then. Also more pictures once we are done would be great, I could probally help. But for now, lets try and just improve the artciel. There's not a lot of information here... - Prede (talk) 03:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I can provide references from the manga if needed. Where is SSJ 5? He said he'd get a head start or something. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Last time he said something about this he said he didn't want to post anything, because it would need a lot of re-phraseing. I say he should post it anyway, then at least we could start working on it. If you'd like to start adding, I can help. Although I have no idea where to start. - Prede (talk) 02:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know either. Wish DBZROCKS returned, he'd think of something. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well "Creation and conception" section needs some work, although theres almost no info out there for that. The "Appearance" section seems fine, maybe a little copy edit, but seems good ( a re-phraseing here or there, but theres enough info here) . "Summary" should probally be re-named "Plot overview" or "Character overview" and more info is needed here. "Abilities" is probaly as good as it will ever get. And the "Video games" section can keep the list, but info should be in prose about the games and the character in them. And of course "Reception" section needs a lot of work. But hmm where to start and what to do exaclty... - Prede (talk) 02:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The Video Game section needs something written up, in prose, above the list IMO . Take a look at Vegeta for example. Also Folken de Fanel, Wikipedia:IAR stands for the reception section. I find the section notable, and for sources, we can ignore the "rules", as long as they appear reliable for fan reception. Nothing innapproiate midn you. I still think that section needs some more info however. - Prede (talk) 20:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: IAR doesn't mean that rules don't exist and that you can do whatever you want on WP. Its meaning is that new contributors are not obliged to focus on the rules, they can focus on the content they want to add, because someone will always edit after him to make things better. IAR doesn't mean in anyway that you can add unsuitable content in any circumstances. A reception section here is just inappropriate.</b> I repeat what I said, a single fansite isn't reliable even for fan reception.Folken de Fanel (talk) 12:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ppl I didn't want to do this cause I don't have the time to argue, but maybe we should get the reception section back. I can get the info on merchandise and CCG's ... I don't know what kind of help would that be, but ...  SSJ 5 (talk) 17:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Making this article a GA

message: So there can be no debating my magazine exist with the power levels exaclty as I copyed onto this site, I have the scans of the magazine here. The links are posted on the Yamucha talk page. I will post the links here as well so we can refure to them as needed.
 http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/mikevamp/scan0001.jpg
 http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/mikevamp/scan.jpg
 http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/mikevamp/scan0003.jpg
- Prede (talk) 22:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Further discussion at Talk:Yamucha#Power Levels. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Power Level Scans

message: * Start class criteria: "Has at least one serious element of gathered materials, including any one of the following:" — Yes
* C class criteria: Missing key elements entirely: Refer to WP:MOS-ANIME#Layout for a character article in this regard.
Confirmed as Start class. G.A.S  18:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: Beckett should not be used as an information source.  It was a poorly made fanzine that either ripped information from other sources or invented it itself.  Beckett was just a fan website in magazine format. Xyex (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beckett Magazine 

message: This is very simple. When you have two sources of information of arguable canonicity and accuracy, you do one simple thing. You list them 'both' and acknowledge the discrepency. "The manga never clearly states if Tenshinhan is a human or alien. This source here says that he's an alien. This other one says he's a human who has achieved enlightenment. That's all we know." Because it *is* all we know. We cannot make a decision one way or another--all we can do is acknowledge that two sources of information have provided conflicting information about the same thing. This kind of thing happens 'all the time' on the Transformers Wiki. 71.60.161.100 (talk) 07:57, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solving the Alien vs. Enlightenment issue 

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