Talk:Music of Kingdom Hearts

message: If someone could do a copy edit on this article it would be a big help. More importantly, If someone who is proficient in Japanese do a fact check of some of the statements with citations from Japanese websites, that would be most graciously appreciated. My Japanese is limited and  after a couple of hours of going through sentences/words with online translators and my own knowledge of Japanese grammar, I'm not 100% confident in the content posted, specifically info about Yoko Shimomura's in the "Creation and influence" section. If these tasks can be done I think it might be ready for GA nomination soon. (Guyinblack25 talk 20:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thy will be done. Axem Titanium 19:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy edit and fact checking

message: Meets all criteria fairly well. It could stand for some prose polishing, but otherwise great. — Deckiller 00:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, that's my job! :) And I'm not done yet. Maybe you could take a look when I'm finished? Axem Titanium 01:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, didn't notice the section-stub under Reception. It's just GA; we all know it's up to standards even now. — Deckiller 01:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA

message: Just thought I'd throw out a few ideas on what could be done to maybe get this article to FA. What does everyone think about changing the headings of the Musical pieces to include the Japanese song title also? Like "Simple And Clean and Hikari" and "Sanctuary and Passion". Because right now, the content is more focused on the English themes, and I know they could be expanded with more info on the Japanese themes.
The "Creation and influence" section could also use some more content, particularly in regard to Yoko Shimomura's contributions. I remember reading something about her thoughts or the amount of work she did for the reworked tracks in Re:Chain of Memories. But at the time I only skimmed through it because I was looking for development info for one of the games and don't remember where I found it. If anyone comes across this or anything regarding her contributions it would greatly be appreciated.
Any thoughts or suggestions? (Guyinblack25 talk 15:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be a great idea to also show information from a Japanese perspective in addition to an English one, be it North American or otherwise. I support including the Japanese song titles right along with the English ones, as long as a transliteration is also included. Taric25 (talk) 01:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, there's kind of a problem with that because "Hikari" is so far the only piece in the entire series to have a Japanese name.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expanding the article

message: Just throwing out a request to anyone who can find the information. If anyone can find some sales number on the soundtracks I think that would really help in getting this article to FA. Or if someone has some suggestions on places to look, that would be helpful as well. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales info

message: From WP:VG/A. I have one comment: the prose is awkward sometimes. Check User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a, and do some editing there. Something else that struck me was the first music sample, apparently a remix - is this appropriate here? Rated A-class, waiting for confirmation on that. User:Krator (t c) 11:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll agree with that. I'd also add that there are large empty spaces in the article around the track listings, I'd recommend trying to get rid of them if possible. Rating A-class. -- Sabre (talk) 14:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:VG]] Assessment 

message: Should the article be moved to Discography of Kingdom Hearts to be consistent with the recent renaming of the FF music articles? Also should it be "of Kingdom Hearts" or "of the Kingdom Hearts series"? Kariteh (talk) 20:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed this recent trend and wondered when it would get here. Personally, I think the article focuses more on the music as a whole. The "Creation", "Musical pieces", and "Reception" sections all take this approach. I've also been thinking of restructuring the "Release" section some to reduce the number of fair use images. This would remove more focus from the separate albums too. If there's a huge number of editors wanting to change the name, I'm willing to go with the flow. But I don't really see a reason to rename this specific article. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: For example, this says Yoko Shimomura respects "orchestral pieces such as" and then proceeds to list two non-orchestral pieces right after. "Such as" can't be used before two examples that aren't actual examples; the two are solo piano pieces.
The article also uses the word "song" when talking about non-song pieces (or movements, depending on whether all the collected music for the game is counted as some sort of multi-movement suite).  For example, the line "To keep aspects of it intact, Shimomura used a trial and error method to arrange the song." is not even discussing a song.  I think the only actual songs in either Kingdom Hearts game are by Utada Hikaru. I'm pretty sure Yoko Shimomura wrote no SONGS for either Kingdom Hearts game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.60.150 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 14 May 2009
:With all due respect, I don't see how two descriptive errors equates to "riddled". Nor do I appreciate the tone of the post. If I misinterpret this, I apologize.
:I must admit, however, that I am not even remotely musically inclined or knowledgeable, and am glad that such mistakes can now be corrected. Next time though, you could easily make these simple corrections yourself. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Riddled with technical mistakes 

message: This article is more like a discography than an album article- the "single cover for identification of the subject" argument doesn't work. Unless the covers themselves are important, they should not be included. As such, I have removed them. Discussion regarding the issue is obviously fine, but please do not simply revert me- the burden of proof lies with those wishing to include the content. J Milburn (talk) 18:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How is this not like an album article? There is discussion of musical influences etc. and critical commentary/reception of all the albums. The only difference is that it is merged into one article, rather than spreading it out over multiple articles. I don't see why a legitimate article should be punished for merging content into one page. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you believe that the covers are necessary? J Milburn (talk) 19:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are album covers necessary on any album article? Or game covers on a game article? It's the same reason. The only difference between this article and every article in :Category:FA-Class Album articles is that this one covers more than one album. It's not a list. You can call it a discography, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have all the critical commentary and background creation information that would make it as good as any album FA article. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The same reasoning does not apply- album covers are used as they are the simplest illustration of the topic of the article. If the albums are not worthy of their own articles, they are not worthy of non-free images to illustrate them, unless the image itself is worth discussing. There is a certain level of "automatic" entitlement to an album cover in an album article (which some find a bad thing) but this does not extend to articles about multiple albums. Yes, there is commentary of the albums, just as there is commentary of albums in a decent article about an artist, but unless the covers are somehow significant, they need not be included. J Milburn (talk) 19:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this is something I've thought about doing for a while now. I was going to remove the album images except for the "Kingdom Hearts Original Soundtrack Complete". Because that album is a compilation of most of the series' music, I believe it would be suitable in the article lead as its cover would satisfy the identification criteria. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Potentially, but I don't think the cover itself is of particular importance, which it would be in an album article. As this article is about the music itself, rather than an album/the albums, perhaps the best lead "image" would be a sample of a track? Even better, a free image of a prominent composer or performer would be fantastic. J Milburn (talk) 19:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's this image of Utada who sang the two vocal theme songs. Though I still think the compilation album image has a legitimate fair use claim in this article. (Guyinblack25 talk 20:05, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that sort of image would be best. I'm not quite sure what the cover of the compilation album would actually add, though I can understand your line of thought. J Milburn (talk) 20:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What I can't understand is how a mesh of related albums that are not worthy of their own article, can be all added together to make a GA-class article? The sum of multiple unworthy pieces should not add up to a great thing. Either that or they are worthy of their own articles but were mashed together for the sake of having less trouble editing. NeoGenPT (talk) 18:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the beauty of synergy, the whole can be greater than the sum of its parts. Individually, most of the albums don't have enough sourcing to pass WP:N. The ones that do would have gaps and probably only make it to C- or B-class. One might be able to make it to GA, but it'd probably be delisted over time. Altogether though, the little bits round our the big chunks to create a detailed picture that in turn makes a very strong Good article. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:46, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album covers 

message: Can I ask why each sample is needed? Could they not be replaced with a single sample? If not, could the rationales please be updated to demonstrate exactly why each on of them is required, and what they are illustrating? J Milburn (talk) 18:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The three pieces selected to be sampled all have a substantial amount of related information including critical commentary, throughout the article. They represent the three most iconic pieces of the series. They're there to give the reader an idea of what the pieces sound like, as they read the discussion and commentary on those pieces. What exactly are you looking for in the rationales? Axem Titanium (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: An explanation of why those samples are needed, perhaps with pointers to where the style of the song/the style the song is being used to illustrate is discussed. What does each sample add to the article that needs to be added, and is not added by the other samples? J Milburn (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you point to some FU rationales that discuss particular style elements? I've never seen one like that. I always thought the commentary belonged in the article and not the file summary. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't often deal with music samples, so I'm afraid I can't offhand. Basically, a single piece could easily be justified with "this article is about the music, and this provides a demonstration of what the music is like" when there's a discussion of musical style (perhaps with some quotes from reviewers) in the article. I do not dispute that. However, such a response hardly works with three pieces- why not just use one? What does each add that the others do not? If you can't answer that, then two of the pieces should probably be removed. J Milburn (talk) 19:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The three samples were included because they are the most recognizable pieces of the series. The title piece, "Dearly Beloved" is typical of the rest of the music in the games, particularly the pace and instruments. "Simple And Clean (PLANITb Remix)" was distinct from the other pieces because it had vocals and was a techno song. "Passion ~after the battle~", like "Dearly Beloved" was a slower song, but had vocals. "Passion" also featured an effect that replayed some lyrics backwards during the song. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are all of these distinctions discusssed in the article? As in, is there a discussion of "Dearly Beloved" as the main piece and typical of the music in the game, a discussion of the different style of "Simple and Clean"? And could you please expand on the importance of "Passion"? J Milburn (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer the first question, not entirely. I'd have to dig through the sources again to see if I can provide sources for them. In regard to the second, "Passion" is the only vocal sample that is in the original language. I'll get back to you after I do some research. I hope you can wait a while. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy to wait- I do not think there's anything wrong with using three samples like this, I just hope that the article "supports" them, as it were, and feel they do need to have complete rationales (this is a high quality article, after all). J Milburn (talk) 20:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've expanded on and copy edited the "Musical pieces" and "Reception" sections. Let me know if it adequately supports the three pieces. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got to say, that's a big improvement. Thankyou for working to resolve these issues instead of blindly claiming that there was no issue. J Milburn (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad you approve. Thanks for the input. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music samples 

message: The exact translation of "Scherzo Di Notte" from italian is "Trick on the night" or "Trick during night".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.8.31.112 (talk) 01:10, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: In the section about the Dream Drop Distance soundtrack, it says it would be the first one Takeharu Ishimoto and Tsuyoshi Sekito composed music for. That's not true. They already composed for Birth By Sleep, and it can be heard clearly when listening to this game's soundtrack. 2003:E2:63C1:A4DE:9DEE:BCBB:A7D7:ABFC (talk) 14:13, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Takeharu Ishimoto and Tsuyoshi Sekito