Talk:Czesława Kwoka

message: Did you mean, she appeared in an article of the "National Geographic" rather than the "National Geography"?   Gjm5025 04:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If somebody could get the copy of that article, we could probably verify most of the info about her, currently much of the bio comes from not that [ed. (NYS): that not] reliable webpage.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  05:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

text: [Today I added the ed. interpolation; original poster seems to have mistyped the order of words that were intended. --NYScholar (talk) 18:22, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Query

message: (ec) Somehow all of the edits that I made have been wiped out by later editing; I don't know what happened.  The image at 350 px is way too large for most browsers and does not meet WP:MOS for sizes of such images; it is an illustration of a section of an article and takes up much too much space; resized to 180px (recommended size for most browsers); my revamping into "Personal history" section, etc. is lost; the lede just needs to be one coherent sentence; it lacks sources in many places; no source for the NG article (as mentioned); such statements cannot remain undocumented as is (unsourced).  --NYScholar (talk) 05:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem

message: :[see #Query posted by another user above. Added sec. heading. --NYScholar (talk) 06:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious source

message: :For purposes of comparison and possible problems of both Wikipedia:Plagiarism and WP:Copyvio that appeared in earlier versions of this article, here is the text in the caption of the You Tube clips posted by "tomasmarec"; one does not know from whence (what sources) that text derives:
Czesława Kwoka-prisoner 26947 in Auschwitz German Camp-(August 15,1928 - March 12, 1943) was born in Wolka Zlojecka, a small village in Poland. She was deported to KL Auschwitz German Camp(1940-1945) from Zamość as prisoner 26947, on December 13, 1942. She died at the age of 14 on March 12, 1943.
Her mother Katarzyna Kwoka was also in the same transport (number 26946). On February 18, 1943, her death was registered at KL Auschwitz.
Both Kwoka and her mother were Roman Catholic.
Czesława Kwoka appeared in an article of the National Geographic Magazine in 1995.
Murder of Zamość children in Auschwitz
At Auschwitz German concentration camp 200 to 300 Polish children from the Zamość area were murdered by Germans by phenol injections. The child was placed on a stool, occasionally blindfolded with a piece of a towel. The person performing the execution then placed one of his hands on the back of the child's neck and another behind the shoulder blade. As the child's chest was thrust out a long needle was injected into the chest with a toxic dose of phenol. The children usually died in minutes. A witness described the process as deadly efficient:
As a rule not even a moan would be heard. And they did not wait until the doomed person really died. During his agony, he was taken from both sides under the armpits and thrown into a pile of corpses in another room.... And the next victim took his place on the stool
To trick the children that were to be murdered into obedience Germans promised them that they will work at a brickyard. However another group of children, young boys by the age of 8 to 12, managed to warn their fellow child inmates by calling for help when they were being killed by Germans:
"Mamo! Mamo!" ("Mother! Mother!"), the dying screams of the youngsters, were heard by several inmates and made an indelible haunting impression on them.
Some of the children were also murdered in Auschwitz gas chambers.
Before the German invaded Poland, Hitler announced, "The destruction of Poland is our primary task." He also commanded, "Kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need." Hitler's head of secret police, Heinrich Himmler, promised that "all Poles will disappear from the world."
POLAND'S HOLOCAUST: 6 MILLION CITIZENS DEAD (3 MILLION CHRISTIANS and 3 MILLION JEWS) 
Poland lost six million citizens or about one-fifth of its population: three million of the dead were Polish Christians, predominantly Catholic, and the other three million were Polish Jews.
CZESŁAWA KWOKA - POLE, 14 YEARS OLD.
IN AUSCHWITZ SINCE 13 DECEMBER 1942, DIED 12 MARCH 1943.
CZESŁAWA KWOKA- POLKA, 14 LAT.
W KL AUSCHWITZ OD 13.12.1942 R., ZGINĘŁA 12.03.1943 R.
--NYScholar (talk) 06:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See source note no. 15 in the Wikipedia article linked just above:
*Lukas, Richard C. Did the Children Cry? Hitler's War against Jewish and Polish Children, 1939-1945. Hippocrene Books, New York, 2001. (online version) (Cited many times throughout that Wikipedia article sec.; that is apparently where the writers of the Wikipedia section took material from, which is simply repeated w/o source citations at all in the You Tube clip caption(s) by "tomasmarec" and then put into this article on this person in Wikipedia.  This is a feedback loop of plagiarism, and it is not acceptable work in Wikipedia.  --NYScholar (talk) 07:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism in captions in You Tube videos

message: The photographer is Wilhelm Brasse, who is still alive.  The blogger (Theresa Edwards) uploaded the photograph previously in Wikipedia Commons but since deleted for copyright violation to her blog.  It is not Edwards' photograph, it is Brasse's photograph, and the photograph is still copyright-protected.  Just because someone has placed a copyrighted photograph in her blog (a website) does not enable people to upload it from there to Wikipedia; there is a copyright violation loop that occurred here.  I've removed the image.  I'm hunting for proper template to place on it; I have commented in the talk page of the image as well. --NYScholar (talk) 20:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The template is in the edited-out image (see in preview mode in article).  Notified uploader. --NYScholar (talk) 21:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright violation in posting of copyrighted photograph

message: Has the links re: permissible use of an image of a person. --NYScholar (talk) 00:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox person template

message: Still problematic.  Needs review.  Currently edited out. --NYScholar (talk) 06:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Current image (edited out due to speedy deletion review)

message: *See Wikipedia:External links#Linking to YouTube, Google Video, and similar sites Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:YOUTUBE".  See also: YouTube#Terms of service and cross-reference there. --NYScholar (talk) 19:22, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Users may view videos on the site as long as they agree to the terms of service; downloading through one's own means or copying of the videos is not permitted." That would include copying of still photographs via copying of the videos; there is no indication in those videos that copyright permission [from Wilhelm Brasse and/or from the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum (which exhibits his photographs), or from the filmmakers of The Portraitist, or other potential copyright holders of record] has been obtained; the photographs in the videos were taken by Brasse in 1942 and/or 1943 (after 1923). The videos in YouTube do not even acknowledge that they are photographs taken by Wilhelm Brasse, although the sources cited throughout this article indicate that they were taken by him. --NYScholar (talk) 19:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

text: For the same reasons, I have delinked these videos from Wilhelm Brasse and referred readers there to this talk page. --NYScholar (talk) 19:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

text: For more information re: Wikipedia policies concerning text, images, and media, please see: Wikipedia:Copyright violations.  Thank you.  --NYScholar (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:EL re: YouTube videos and related copyright violation matters

message: I've added the EL for the film as well as additional source about its premiere (see Wilhelm Brasse.  The footage in the Adobe Flash content on the documentary film production site contains images that appear to have been uploaded to the now-deleted YouTube videos without permission of the photographer or the filmmakers.  For those who want to see the origins of these images, one needs to visit the site and to read about the film; these images appear in the film, which was made for Polish television and shown both in London and at at least three Polish film festivals; excerpts from reviews on on the official documentary film production site (see the EL info.).  --NYScholar (talk) 20:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: [According to Keane, as cited now in Wilhelm Brasse, the film is ordered directly from its distributor via E-mail and may be easily accessible to many people, some of whom who may have captured parts of it in video compilations that are being distributed (illegally) via the internet. --NYScholar (talk) 04:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Portraitist (about Wilhelm Brasse)

message: These are required by the templates in the image pages.  They are not supposed to be deleted.  Deleting them misleads readers of this article.  For information, please click on the images and see their talk pages.  Further explanation is already there, in cases of both images.  WP:BB etc. does not apply.  The template requirement is Wikipedia policy.  This is not an editing matter of the content of the body or lede or other sections of an article; it is a matter pertaining to the copyright status of images being placed in the article.  Any kind of potential copyright violation jeopardizes the integrity of Wikipedia articles.  Wikipedia editors are required to alert Wikipedia to any potential copyright violations which might endanger Wikipedia and to place appropriate notices required by the templates after doing so. --NYScholar (talk) 20:31, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To both registered users (including the image creator[s]) and anon. IP users: please stop reverting the bot action.  It results from the copyright violations in the use of the images.  Read the image pages; full discussions are there.  This continual action by these users will be considered vandalism.  --NYScholar (talk) 23:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image-deletion caption templates

message: I did not remove this image; the bot did; then Poeticbent reverted that later; I restored what the bot did; Poeticbent is the uploader of the image and is not supposed to be deleting other editors' speedy-deletion templates or altering them, as Poeticbent has now done over 4 times.  The uploader is not supposed to delete templates; the uploader is free to add "hangon"; not to delete or change speedy deletion template and also not to remove (as done several times) the speedy-deletion caption.  I edited back in the image in the preview mode so that the image could be restored w/ the speedy-deletion template, as it now is.  There is a time frame involved in the speedy-deletion template.  I do not know what triggered the bot; it was not me, bec. it occurred when I was not online.  The uploader needs to let the process take its course.  The materials that the uploader has used continually to re-add this image to Wikipedia violates prohibitions against photographing its exhibits explicitly made by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum and they are not in the public domain; the Museum is the owner of the photographic exhibits; the uploader used poor sources posted in YouTube which violate actual copyrights and is putting this article in jeopardy.  I and a few others (not Poeticbent) have devoted a great deal of our time to developing the sources in this article.  The images are not necessary; they are provided via links in the sources cited.  It is not necessary to post a photograph of the subject in this article in Wikipedia, and it violates Museum policy to do so.  The uploader provides no convincing proof of the Museum's exhibits (which feature its photo archive materials and its own captions) being in the public domain.  The detailed information is in the talk pages of both image pages.
Re: the uploader's unwarranted negative aspersions cast against my work on this article: WP:AGF in terms of improving this article in such a way that is consistent with Wikipedia media and image policies re: copyright and fair use.
The uploader has copied unlicensed photographs from YouTube video and a blog (which used an earlier Wikipedia as its source of the 3-pose photograph (which is posted illegally all over the internet contrary to prohibitions against photography of its exhibits by the Museum) and tried to argue "public domain"; these images are not in the public domain in the U.S. (or Poland).
Poeticbent has not proved in any convincing way that they are.  Citing old versions of Polish copyright laws in general re: 1994 does not pertain.  The exhibits (photographs w/ captions, etc.) are the property of the Museum and only accessible to visitors in the Museum, who are prohibited from using cameras (still and video) in those indoor exhibits. The captions on these photos are provided by the Museum in its exhibits.  They belong to the Museum (its photographic archives) and their use is carefully protected by the Museum's policies, stated on its website (see the talk pages of the images and also the related articles I've linked to here and there. --NYScholar (talk) 03:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bot removed the image

message: What is "FUR"? Why is the required speedy-deletion template caption being deleted (yet again? despite editing policy) from these images??????? --NYScholar (talk) 05:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Do not understand edit summary by Piotrus

message: Scroll up to template with information/links re: previous review: .  I have worked very hard to provide proper sources establishing the notability of this subject, and I do not want dubious licenses for images and dubious fair-use rationales to cause it to be deleted.  The status of these speedy-deletion marked images needs to be crystal clear, so do not delete the required templates in the captions.  They are required by the speedy-deletion templates in the image pages (in both image pages).  Thank you.  (Repeated request.  See above.) --NYScholar (talk) 05:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Keeping this article from deletion

message: "Add following to the image captions: ."  Added as required.  This follows the format in the template.  Click on the image and read the template.  The instructions are there.   --NYScholar (talk) 00:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Template caption required from speedy-deletion template on image

message: I've updated the articles on Czesława Kwoka, Wilhelm Brasse, and The Portraitist; the External links sections now include a link to a YouTube video clip from the film, Portrecista (2005) (The Portraitist), as broadcast on TVP1, in Poland, on January 1, 2006, in which Wilhelm Brasse shows his photographs, including the three poses (in the original separate photographs) of Kwoka, and discusses these photographs of Kwoka.  It is thus established without doubt that he is the photographer who took these photographs of Kwoka.  I do not know how this information affects how the photographs uploaded by Poeticbent (and Nard) and/or others to Wikipedia and/or Wikipeda Commons are described on their image pages and how this information affects the possibities for "fair use rationales" or "licensing" or copyright or public domain in Poland or public domain the United States notices and/or claims.  I leave that decision up to Wikipedia administrators with experience in copyright issues who have knowledge of how to license and upload such media in Wikipedia. NYScholar (talk) 00:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: Some parting comments re: the two images; for those still seeking to document the licenses that reference "public domain" in Poland and/or in the United States, one might want to take a look at the "Photo credits" in the PBS (U.S. public television) documentary Website for its series Auschwitz: Inside the Nazi State (2005); about a week ago I edited the article on the BBC program to include the source citations for the PBS broadcast of the same program (with diff. title).
:(cont.) Today, while searching "images of Auschwitz prisoners public domain" out of residual curiosity re: this matter, I located one photo credit referring to "public domain" in the U.S.-published Website for the BBC program shown on PBS: it is a photo credit for "Auschwitz prisoners" — not these particular Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum/Wilhelm Brasse photographs (taken c. 1942 or 1943), but photographs taken contemporaneously at Auschwitz in  1945, depicting prisoners outside on the grounds of the camp at a barbed wire fence at time of liberation, e.g.: see Credits, scroll down to "Liberation & Revenge": page 1 (hyperlinked): "Auschwitz prisoners" to see the photographs.  If PBS is citing "public domain" in the United States, this might be a helpful precedent to cite re: Auschwitz photographs (taken by Polish photographers w/o copyright credits being given when first "published" [any such "publication" date still unknown?]).  Just a thought.
::(cont.) I do not expect to be editing Wikipedia much if at all in the near future, so I thought I'd leave others with this possible publication precedent in the U.S. for citing U.S. (and possiblly worldwide) "public domain" re: photographs of Auschwitz prisoners; though I am not sure it applies in the UK or European Union too; that would not matter if it applies in the U.S.
:::[Also see more recent comments added about three other Auschwitz "identification" photographs featured in the online photo archive of the USHMM below, which indicates that "public domain in the United States" does not apply to such photographs credited by the USHMM to the "National Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum" (not to "public domain"). --NYScholar (talk) 09:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (cont.) The so-called duplicate photograph (3 poses) of Kwoka in the Wik. Commons file of same name is not exactly the same; it would be a good idea to rename the Wikipedia version as asked in the template to reduce possibility of deletion; the one in Wik. Commons still has the Museum captions in it and by virtue of that is possibly not in the public domain.  The cropped one w/o the Museum captions has a stronger argument for "public domain" in the U.S.  (The one that is more clearly a photograph of the Museum-captioned photograph has a weaker argument as such, though I am not sure of that.  See the various discussions of the two images linked via the templates.) It is important to correct the conflict/problem pointed out via the templates of the duplicate names for images that have conflicting licenses/fair use rationales in Wik. and Wik. Commons.  If the images are determined by the reviews to be public domain in the U.S., they do not need fair-use rationales; they can be files in Wikipedia Commons (w/o Museum captions/the cropped version currently in this article) and not duplications w/ same name in Wikipedia (??). --NYScholar (talk) 10:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Update re: "public domain" in the United States

message: Created a new section whose topic is the photographs with three poses, specifically the center (front) pose, moving the photograph into it as illustration of that discussion (WP:IUP).  The photographs are separate photographs put together into the series of three poses in the Museum's indoor memorial exhibit in Block no. 6; the source citation follows documenting the section.  May be also adjusting the cross-refs. in section(s) to accommodate this revision.  --NYScholar (talk) 21:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since posting these concerns, another editor has removed recently-added dubious material/questionable edits  from Wikipedia:Public domain: a project page with the "content guideline" for "public domain" mentioned in the 2nd para. above (in this sec. of comments).  The page still features related templates re: ongoing concerns (clean up notice; neutrality notice directing readers to see its talk page re: the concerns.)  --NYScholar (talk) 15:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New section

message: The "content guideline" for "images" in Wikipedia is: Wikipedia:Images. Re: size of image: it is not necessary to place more than "thumb", which will make it appear to readers given their own preferences in Wikipedia. I may remove the px parameter to see how that posts.  According to the content guideline, one is asked not to specify pixels (size) and to use just the "thumb" for "thumbnail".  I'll see if it makes any diff. and whether or not my own "preferences" in Wikipedia need some adjustment, as they may be affecting how it looks to me.  (Not sure of this.) --NYScholar (talk) 15:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (Updated) Did remove additional "size" ("px"); "thumb" suffices according to the content guideline Wikipedia:Image.  (This is a minor "format" edit.) --NYScholar (talk) 15:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Size of images

message: See User:NYScholar/WikipediaCopyright-relatedIssues#Some additional information re: the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum photographs. --NYScholar (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some additional information re: the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum photographs

message: Confirmed for WP:POLAND. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 21:05, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
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message: In light of the above discussion, I've looked at google scholar and university databases for articles on "Czesława Kwoka" and "Czesława Kwoka" +death. These are the English results I found, with the relevant text quoted. Note that there are many Polish sources but I cannot read those.
*"Wilhelm Brasse; Polish photographer and political prisoner who was told to photograph Jewish arrivals at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp." The Times (London) (Oct. 27, 2012): p108. 
"In later life Brasse was haunted by the memories of the children he had photographed. Fear is imprinted on the faces of many in the images which survive. He was especially affected by the three shots he remembered taking of Czeslawa Kwoka, a 14-year-old Polish Catholic girl who died at Auschwitz in 1943. Moments before he recorded her picture, she had been drying her tears and staunching blood from a cut lip received in a beating from a female guard. The combination of innocence and terror that he photographed has made the image one of the best-known among those on show at the Auschwitz-Birkenau museum."
*"Wilhelm Brasse Dies at 94; Documented Nazis' Victims" by Dennis Hevesi. The New York Times. (Oct. 25, 2012): pA29.
"PHOTOS: Prisoner identity photographs, taken by Wilhelm Brasse, of Czeslawa Kwoka of Poland. According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Czeslawa arrived with her family at Auschwitz on Dec. 13, 1942, and died on March 12, 1943. She was 14. (PHOTOGRAPH BY AUSCHWITZ MUSEUM, VIA ASSOCIATED PRESS); Wilhelm Brasse in 2006. (PHOTOGRAPH BY CZAREK SOKOLOWSKI/ASSOCIATED PRESS)"
*"'I was murdered in Auschwitz': victims of Holocaust remembered on Twitter; One account tweets about the St Louis, a vessel carrying Jews fleeing Nazi Germany that was turned away from the US" The Guardian (Jan. 28, 2017).
"To mark the 72nd anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, photographer Marina Maral recoloured a photograph taken in Auschwitz of 14-year-old Polish Catholic Czeslawa Kwoka. Czeslawa was killed in 1943."
*"Is technology bringing history to life or distorting it?" Steve Hendrix. The Washington Post. (May 10, 2018).
"Color is also the digital palette for Brazilian artist Marina Amaral, who has gained a following with her carefully researched tinting of historical images. Her photos include haunting updates of Abraham Lincoln, Rasputin and a turn-of-the-century banana dock in New York. Her recent colorization of the Auschwitz headshot of 14-year-old Czeslawa Kwoka went viral."
*"The nazi genocide: Eugenics, ideology, and implementation 1933-1945" Michael A. Letsinger. East Tennessee State University, ProQuest Dissertations Publishing, 2015. 
:*Note: this is an MA thesis and I wasn't able to access the actual document. It's of limited use (no offense to the author; my MA thesis is of little use to anyone either. Such is the nature of an MA). However, it appears to mention Kwoka and may provide further sources. 
That's all I could find in English. I do wish the editor in the previous discussion who claims to have found several sources would provide us with those sources, as google scholar and my university database searches are finding little of use. And google scholar does not filter out Wikipedia mirrors and other sites copying this Wikipedia article (sometimes without attribution), so we need to be wary of that. freshacconci (✉) 17:16, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you, Kwoka's story was an absolutely heartbreaking read and it's good to see the effort put into finding out more information about her. Much appreciated. Sellsomepapers (talk) 03:06, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources mentioning Czesława Kwoka's death