Talk:Patrician (post-Roman Europe)

message: This article is out of balance -- it needs a goodly paragraph on Italian patricianship, if that's the paradigm.DavidOaks 04:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian patricianship

message: *Could an admin please look at Talk:Patricianship and perform a multi-page move, in line with the table on the page but with one change, namely new page Patricians (post-Classical) instead of Patricians (Middle and Modern Age), in line with the suggestion made by user:Simmaren. We do not have total unanimity among the editors on that page but I think it is fair to say that there is consensus. In addition, the discussion has been stale for quite some time and it is unlikely that waiting longer will generate more opinions. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.--Goodmorningworld (talk) 17:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: *There seems to be some confusion: the pages Patrician and patrician are the same page: a Wikipedia page's name can not start with a lowercase letter. Currently there are:
*#Patrician, mostly about Roman patricians, a bit about science fiction.
*#Patricianship, about patricians in later Italy and in Germany.
*#Patrician (disambiguation): disambiguates between these two and assorted irrelevantia.
*#Patricians: this is a redirect to Patrician.
*#Patrizier: this is a redirect to Patrician (disambiguation).
*:I recommend:
*:#Rename Patricianship as Patrician (post-Roman)
*:#Split off Patrician#Use in fiction as Patrician (science fiction).
*: and then perhaps, move Patrician to Patrician (Roman) and then Patrician (disambiguation) to Patrician.
*:Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I think we have a good solution now. Johnbod (talk) 12:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: O.K. (I've improved the redirect for Patrizier, otherwise it's looking good.)--Goodmorningworld (talk) 21:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Current situation

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message: I was reading this article when I noticed something peculiar in the following passages under section entitled "Formation of the European patriciates", first paragraph:
"At Genoa the earliest records of trading partnerships are in documents of the early 11th century; there the typical sleeping partner is a member of the local petty nobility with some capital to invest, and in the expansion of trade leading roles were taken by men who already held profitable positions in the feudal order, who received revenues from rents or customs tolls or market dues."
At first, I was confused by the phrase "sleeping partner" and I thought it might have been a left-over from vandalism that was missed in some clean-up (it happened before, I've found some vandalism were missed in a clean-up and left over for several months or even years). But having looked through the page history to see if it was change of some words or was inserted, I did not find any indication that this was a remnant of vandalism from the past. I then thought it might have been a mistranslation but I then realized it could be that this phrase is also synonymous with 'silent partner' which I am familiar with. But I am not so sure if that is what whoever added this phrase meant. In any case, I don't know how common the phrase "sleeping partner" is relative to "silent partner" so perhaps linking it to a Wiktionary definition or even the article's section I linked above here might be advisable.
Anyway, thought you'd all like to be aware of this. Thanks and have a great day. Legion (talk) 23:09, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sleeping partner? 

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