Talk:Criccieth

message: The argument that Criccieth is the English form of the name and Cricieth the Welsh version has been contested in the past, and is not as clear cut as the article suggests.  As I recall, in the early 1970s, prior to local government reorganisation, Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg and other organisations campaigned for the town to use Cricieth.  The then Criccieth Urban District Council argued strongly against the change, claiming that the Welsh version had always been Criccieth (and insisted on using the double-C even in Welsh texts).  Their argument was basically that even a phonetic language like Welsh has anomalies, and likened Criccieth to Wrecsam (the Welsh form for Wrexham), which if it were spelt phonetically would be Recsam.  Things became quite heated and, when the Wales Tourist Board produced literature about Cricieth, the council threatened to withdraw funding from them.  The tourist board eventually backed down.
Can anyone provide further details on the naming controversy, preferably with citations, rather than the somewhat inaccurate passage that exists in the article at present? Skinsmoke (talk) 01:17, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Although the controversy is familiar enough, I can't seem to find anything about it right now - annoyingly! The original Welsh name as found in Brut y Tywysogion was 'Cruceith' (MW Krukeith) and the form 'Cruciaith' is found in a famous poem by Iolo Goch (late 14th century). The etymology is not as straightforward as some sources suggest, but the most common is crug ('hillock' etc) + caeth (which could mean either 'serfs' or 'captives' here). 'Cricieth' is undoubtedly the correct form in Welsh (with all due respect to past burghers!). Perhaps an etymology section would be an idea? This could then include the c/cc "controversy". You might find these useful as well - Cricieth, Criccieth - as far as they go, although the second has some inaccuracies and the first doesn't really tell you much. I can give refs for the early forms, of course. Good work on the article: great improvement! Enaidmawr (talk) 17:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Got round to it at last. Apologies for the delay: summer, life, and all that! Enaidmawr (talk) 22:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
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