Talk:Kobe beef/Archive 1

message: I was under the impression Kobe beef is an accepted export of Japan. Is this incorrect? Is this because the population of Japan will pay more for this beef than the rest of the world? If so, can we include this in the article? K thx.   - Anonymous 11:53, 07 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: I deleted the mention of Kobe Bryant being named after beef, since Kobe is a relatively common African-american name that has a completely different etymology from Kobe beef.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 07:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His parents did in fact name him after the Japanese beef after seeing Kobe beef on the menu of a Japanese restaurant prior to his birth. 
--TheAznSensation 23:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kobe Bryant factoid 

message: I'd like to add a link to FAQs about Kobe beef, other than the one by Morgan Ranch, which sells something they call Kobe Beef, but which, in fact, is legally not.  I won't slam Morgan Ranch in public though!  Would this be alright? Friday33 16:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would go further and say that if the Morgan Ranch link is providing incorrect information about Kobe Beef, then it should be removed.  I was personally thinking about adding a section to talk about some of the improper use of the phrase "Kobe Beef" in the US.  If the FAQ is more specific about Wagyu beef from Kobe and you feel that it is a non-trivial source then add it! Jaydjenkins 05:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kobe Beef section question 

message: This article needs information about how the cows are raised/treated, the treatment of the beef, etc. 69.138.26.126 15:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what the article really needs is a treatise on the perception of Kobe beef in the West. As a japonologist, I have been asked many times (and I believe many of the people that seek out this article are interested in this as well) about the 'legend' of Kobe beef and the alleged massaging of the cows and whatnot. I usually tell people that a lot of info about Japan, the Japanese and their ways is immensely exaggerated, but to tell the truth, I have no idea whether Kobe cows really do get massages or not. I would appreciate more info on this from somebody more knowledgable. TomorrowTime 18:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are also rumors that Kobe cattle are fed on veal of all things.  No idea if this is true or not, but a section on Kobe beef folklore or rumors would be quite useful, as well as any confirmed details of the actual practices that are known.  Prom77 03:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an unreliable rumors because the Japanese goverment prohibited breeding of cattle with MBM. (Ref.飼料及び飼料添加物の成分規格等に関する省令)--Mujaki 16:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article is interesting but seems to suggest only cows that need nursing back to health are given beer? http://luciesfarm.com/artman/publish/article_39.php 78.86.95.7 (talk) 17:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More information 

message: I had a concern about the following recently-added statement.
:After all beef imports from Japan were banned for 4 years (when Mad Cow Disease was discovered there), many unscrupulous retailers began heavily marketing the US-raised beef as "Kobe-style" (while charging amounts impossibly low for true Kobe), in order to support the meat's consumer base. The ranchers claim any differences are largely cosmetic.
The citation listed does not support this harsh rebuke against U.S. beef. Although purists may dislike the leveraging of the "Kobe" name is there anything actually illegal or even objectively unethical based on any standard business practices that can be cited?
The "impossibly low" comment similarly seems to be an unsupported dig.
--Mcorazao 03:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea of the content. But I think the "impossibly low" comment is not a dig because Kobe beef is impossibly more expensive than foreign beef such as U.S. beef in Japan too.--Mujaki 16:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree about the POV aspect. I've made a few changes to hopefully fix that up. That a look at it and if you're happy, you can remove the POV tag. Ka-ru 08:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality: "Kobe-style" beef

message: Someone has just added the following text:
"The restaurants in Japan that serve Kobe Beef take their tradition very seriously. In the best restaurants in Kobe you will find certificates covering the particular cow that you are eating. This certificate will read like a pedigree of a prized pet outlining the name, conception date, age of the particular cow, and will have a "nose print" (similar to a large finger print) for verification."
Really, I have never heard of this. I've eaten at one or two very reputable Kobe beef restaurants in Kobe and never encountered this. It sounds a lot like a hoax. I have removed it based on it be unsourced and sounding fantastical. If anyone can come up with a valid reference, then it can be added back to the article. Ka-ru 18:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wagyu restrants (yainiku, sukiyaki, shabu shabu and steak), known as "牛肉トレーサビリティ法の対象店", post the numbers of beefs on the wall. The comsumer can know the informations of the beef by the number on the internet. (Ref. 牛肉トレーサビリティ by MAFF) I saw the numbers in some kobe beef restrants. And Kobe beef restrants and butcher's shops get certificate of the kobe beef. (Ref.神戸ビーフが届くまで) It seems that some restrants and shops inform the certificate to prove validity.--Mujaki 11:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pedigree certificate

message: OK, there have been a number of edits recently, pretty much all by one-off edits from IP addresses (not regular wiki editors) adding that Kobe Bryant is named after Kobe beef. I've removed them as they've been added as I don't really see this as relevant to this article. It's a relevant fact for the Kobe Bryant article, but for someone looking up this article, the fact that a basketballer's father named his son based on a restaurant menu is no relevance to the actual beef. What are people's opinion on this? Shouldn't this article just be about the beef? Ka-ru (talk) 08:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think many people don't mind that that Kobe Bryant is in See also section by WP:N; For example, he became a Kobe Ambassador because his name refers to Kobe beef ( Kobe city office, Kobe Shimbun). Incidentally, Japanese edition makes reference to Kobe Bryant and Steven Spielberg in See also section.--Mujaki (talk) 14:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kobe Bryant

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message: I got here from the Beef page which talked about how beer was used to feed the cows for Kobe Beed and this page contradicts that. The pages should probably be made to match with a source. 163.231.6.68 (talk) 17:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: Really? Tell me how you castrate a cow. This article lacks a certain credibility.150.101.155.85 (talk) 02:04, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See the discussion on the use of the term "cow" on page Cattle. At least some sources recognize "cow" as also having a non-sex-specific meaning. --Larry (talk) 03:23, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, It seems that you CAN castrate a cow if you are an american. It just doesn't have the right ring about it somehow. A bit like milking a bull which is always a dangerous thing no matter which dictionary you use.150.101.155.85 (talk) 03:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Castrated Cow?