Talk:Football Federation of Macedonia

message: The national team of the Republic played a friendly match against Spain celebrating '100 Years of football in Macedonia' . Do any editor know which match this celebration refers to and where was it played? I could not find anything on the English-language sitesPolitis (talk) 12:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Information

message: the Football Federation of Macedonia is not in NATO or the EU. It would take you all of 30 seconds to visit the website and discover the organization's correct name. Please stop naively moving the page and learn more about WP:CONSENSUS. --Local hero talk 18:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure you are not confusing the two Macedonias? The main Macedonia is in Greece. The actual country using that name unlawfully held a referendum in 2019 and overwhelming voted to change their name with the ultimate reward being welcomed into Nato and the EU. Is this article about the country or the Greek province? If it is about the country, then the country's name in now North Macedonia. See the article and follow the sources. --Sportspop (talk) 18:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for providing clarity as to your POV on the topic, I need not waste time addressing any of it. WP:RM is the appropriate method for making controversial page name moves. Do not unilaterally move the title again. --Local hero talk 18:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey hold your horses. I don't have a "POV". I know nothing about the situation except what I read in the papers and see on the news. Didn't the country not rename all its institutions to add North before Macedonia? Wasn't that the purpose of the name change? I see it is called Football Federation of North Macedonia on both French and German Wikis. I can't read Macedonian as they use the Russian alphabet (or a variant of it). So why should English Wiki do things differently to French? Don't we use the same sourcea? --Sportspop (talk) 18:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The FFM is not a national institution and is thus not bound by the Prespa agreement. You can rest assured that myriad Greek editors left no stone unturned as far as page titles they could throw "North" on after the name change, however FFM is not one of them. The FFM's website is available in English where you will find its English name. Whether you can read Cyrillic or not, would you not expect that there would be four letters on the team's jerseys instead of three if indeed it had added "North" to the organization name? Apologies for not WP:AGF, but after being reverted you attempted the move yet again instead of starting a discussion to achieve consensus. --Local hero talk 19:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I guess so but I don't know what it was before. Are you sure the website is up to date? If it hasn't been modified since 2018 then it will be out of date. Also I don't know what the hell the "Prepsa Agreement" means and where that comes into things. There was a referendum, and the people voted to change name. That's all I know. --Sportspop (talk) 19:05, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It is very much up-to-date. There's an article on the Prespa agreement. That referendum had a 36.9% turnout due to a massive boycott; the corrupt ruling government then went against the will of the people and voted to change the name. That's the story in a nutshell and the impact here, again, is that the FFM has not changed its name. If that changes in the future, I'm sure it will be corrected instantly be those that relish the denial of the right to self-determination of a nation. --Local hero talk 19:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Against the will of the people? 94.18%. Now I see where you're coming from. You're promoting conspiracy theories. Nobody forced them to boycott, and doing so is a betrayal of democratic values. Years ago I lived in Australia and you're not eve allowed to "not vote" over there. They had the choice Local hero. If they didn't want the name changed, they only had to say no and I am pretty sure that a government hoping to join the EU was never going to fiddle the vote. So you are disagreeing that the country should be called North Macedonia. You're in the wrong. If I were in your shoes, I'd revert myself now across the whole area of disputes these past 20 minutes. I'm not going to touch those article again as I don't want to be blocked for editwarring. I could end up indeffed. --Sportspop (talk) 19:32, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  NATO and EU 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure)  Iffy★Chat -- 18:44, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Football Federation of Macedonia →  – Both UEFA  and FIFA  recognize the governing body of football in North Macedonia as the Football Federation of North Macedonia. The FFM violates the Prespa agreement and continues to refer to itself as Football Federation of Macedonia, but this cannot determine the name of article. -- Δασυγένης (talk) 15:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 4 August 2023