Talk:French dip

message: There's been a long-standing, but not ugly, dispute over who invented the French Dip (Phillipe's or Cole's), but I do recall that there has been some investigation on the matter awarding the discovery to Cole's (since I don't have the source handy I'm not putting it in the article).  It would be nice if someone could track down the study.
:It is a moot point. The sandwich is a traditional English one, sometimes referred to as a Baron of Beef. Neither American established "invented" it.Slagathor (talk) 18:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who originated the French Dip? 

message: I am likewise inclined to think that Cole's is the real orginator but this is based on information gathered from peeople who work at Cole's so it is certaintly POV.65.125.163.221 05:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't consider information from the employees of one company in a dispute as the best source for something that happened 90 to 100 years ago. Without third party sources, there is not enough evidence to support one side or the other. I think the article presents both sides in a NPOV manner. Even with significant evidence, the long standing dispute over who originated it is part of what makes the sandwich a topic to be covered by an encyclopedia, and should be included in an artice about the subject. Gentgeen 11:16, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This should be so easy to prove. Find an old newspaper article raving about the new French dip sandwich. There should be at least one or two from that time. A copy of an old menu (with date) would work too.173.58.64.64 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cole's

message: This doesn't come from a point of experience with french dips per se, but it would seem nearly impossible that the quantity of beef typically served in a french dip sandwich could yield the amount of jus typically served on the side, which I should add, typically has little to no fat.  Can anyone clear this up.  Is Phillipe's really pouring out the drip pan? 72.37.129.139 00:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question of broth 

message: Where is this ever served, and how is it any different? I've lived in the Midwest for over 20 years and never heard of it. 
Falsified 23:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just dropped in to ask about that too. Since I'm not the only one who questions it I'm going to remove it. Perhaps it's a joke of some kind, or is a way of avoiding referring to anything as "french".  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 09:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaelic dip? 

message: The article cites "...this is not how the sandwich was served when it was invented."  It seems that this statement is biased in such a way as to lean toward one inventor or another.  It also has no sources.  Hence the bias template.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.16.143.71 (talk) 16:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to disagree because both claimants to originating the sandwich (Philippe's and Cole's) do agree that it was first served pre-dipped, and continue to do so today. So the current comment on the origination doesn't bias towards either one.  --Bobak (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This does not seem to be true? The article states that Cole's serves the sandwich "dry" with a side for dipping. Unless this has been changed since it was first served, it seems that there is no indication the sandwich has always been served "wet." NearNRiver (talk) 17:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: That are about essentially the same thing. Steak sandwich, Italian beef, Cheesesteak. BillyTFried (talk) 04:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely disagree, they're nothing alike --especially the two I'm most familiar with, French dips (from Philippe's and Cole's) as well as cheesesteaks (from Pat's and Jim's). These aren't merely different names for the same thing.  --Bobak (talk) 05:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be merged with the other articles 

message: This article states that both restaurants serve their sandwiches wet which is not the case.  Cole's serves their sandwich with the au jus on the side.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevitivity (talk • contribs) 20:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Au Jus on the side 

message: I know that some fast casual places put onions on their French dip, but it's not "usual." Cheese, onions, horseradish, and spicy mustard are "sometimes" added. Someone should clean that up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kooosh (talk • contribs) 06:22, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usually topped with onions? 

message: I'm a former curator for the Ranchos in the City of Long Beach (founded i895). Actually Coles and Phillipe's both took the sandwich from a now-defunct deli in Long Beach that opened up on the Pacific Electric Line that went to LA and opened up Long Beach. If I recall right, it was on Alamitos and 2cd.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.126.71.24 (talk) 23:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sandwich Was invented in Long Beach