Talk:Hindawi (publisher)

message: This is 2 lists masquerading as an encyclopedia article. At the very least, we don't need 2 lists when one is a subset of the other. I'm not sure whether to cut it with a big knife or a little knife. Nurg (talk) 03:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Journal lists

message: I've just reinserted the discussion of their use of page charges, previously deleted by user Guillaume2303 at this revision, who commented "we don't publish subswription [sic] rates either" in explanation; I'm not clear who 'we' are and don't see why this is in any way relevant.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikalra (talk • contribs) 11:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page charges 

message: It seems that the two links that should be directing to pdf documents at ithaka.org are outdated after Ithaka launched a new website. Using the search function on the new ithaka.org I was unable to retrieve any results for "hindawi", so I hope that someone more experienced than me might try to fix this problem? E.Wende (talk) 06:48, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links missing 

message: pls see Talk:Predatory open access publishing#fringe theory? Fgnievinski (talk) 21:38, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  undue? 

message: This is probably too much like original research, so not posting to article page. Looking into Hindawi's Neurology Research International I see that the first editorial board member they list actually died almost year ago. This doesn't suggest a very engaged editorial board or editor. (http://www.hindawi.com/journals/nri/editors/ and http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/in-memoriam:-dr-george-bartzokis-neuroscientist-who-developed-the-myelin-model-of-brain-disease). --Dan Eisenberg (talk) 19:30, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This person does not really seem relevant enough to include, per WP:ONUS and WP:WEIGHT. It might be worthy of mention on an article about George Bartzokis, or perhaps the journal, but not here: Hindawi has over 400 journals, and we don't need to list any editorial board members at all unless secondary sources establish they are noteworthy enough. --Animalparty-- (talk) 20:50, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, you are correct that using two sources to advance a conclusion or opinion not directly supported in any of the sources is original research by synthesis. Unverified speculation has no place in an encyclopedia. --Animalparty-- (talk) 21:00, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

text: Mostly this seems like an illustration of the fact that the websites of journals tend not to be updated very regularly or carefully for things like this.  (To give another example, the website of Transactions of the American Mathematical Society lists several people as editors who have rotated out of that position.) --JBL (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead editorial board member 

message: Can we include following citation in main article?
 Jessie1979 (talk) 12:38, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not very relevant here, if anywhere it would be mentioned at The Scientific World Journal, assuming the event is noteworthy in the broader context and not given undue coverage. 04:36, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New updates 

message: I will point out some inaccuracies/outdated information on this page for potential correction. As I work at Hindawi, I will leave it to others to decide on the merit of making these changes.
* In 2017, Hindawi split into two companies: Hindawi Publishing Corporation and Hindawi Limited. Hindawi Limited is a publishing company incorporated in the UK with an office in London. Hindawi Publishing Corporation is a publishing services company located in Cairo. Hindawi Limited is the publisher of all Hindawi journals, not Hindawi Publishing Corporation. The change is described in this recent post on the Hindawi blog.https://about.hindawi.com/opinion/a-2018-update-on-hindawis-corporate-structure/
* Paul Peters became CEO of Hindawi Publishing Corporation in July 2015 and has been CEO of Hindawi Limited since its incorporation. Ahmed Hindawi stepped down as CEO of Hindawi Publishing Corporation in 2014. The same blog post discusses this change.https://about.hindawi.com/opinion/a-2018-update-on-hindawis-corporate-structure/ Paul Peters' title can be verified on the company team page or in independent press.https://about.hindawi.com/contact/https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2017/02/13/49197/
* Hindawi currently publishes 268 journals. The correct list is available here: List of Hindawi academic journals. Currently, 64 journals are indexed in Science Citation Index Expanded.https://www.hindawi.com/ai/science.citation.index.expanded/
* According to the most recent OASPA update on the Open Access landscape, Hindawi's output in 2016 was 18,765 articles.https://oaspa.org/steady-growth-fully-oa-journals-ccby-license/ 
* Although Hindawi had a books program in the past, it has not published a monograph since "Solvability of Nonlinear Singular Problems for Ordinary Differential Equations" in 2009. The best independent source I can provide to prove this negative is an Amazon search.https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st_date-desc-rank?keywords=Hindawi+Publishing+Corporation&rh=n%3A266239%2Ck%3AHindawi+Publishing+Corporation&qid=1524524842&sort=date-desc-rank 
* The allegation by Jeffrey Beall - "reliance on staff vetting of submissions rather than peer review by academics" - is unsubstantiated. The reference provided is to a blog post where Beall makes this assertion without supporting evidence.https://web.archive.org/web/20150307225028/http://scholarlyoa.com/2013/04/04/hindawis-profits-are-larger-than-elseviers/ This error is discussed at length in the comments on that post. All Hindawi journals currently follow the single-blind review model described here.https://about.hindawi.com/authors/peer-review-at-hindawi/ Every Hindawi paper includes the name of the independent academic editor who handled the peer review.
Lespleen (talk) 23:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Contains Errors 

message: I hope people editing this page have read this explanation of the structure and changes over the years of what Hindawi (the academic publisher) is: https://about.hindawi.com/blog/a-2018-update-on-hindawis-corporate-structure/
In light of this, the page requires significant editing to make it accurately describe what Hindawi is _now_ in 2019, whilst accurately reflecting what the structure of what it was before the relocation to London.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metacladistics (talk • contribs) 10:12, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corporate Structure - there are two Hindawi's 

message: The article says that Hindawi had a staff of over 450 employees in 2011, and only 42 in 2019. A company losing more than 93% of its staff is a huge and dramatic change, but the article doesn't explain this phenomenon at all, or even note that it exists. Some explanation or correction should be put into the article. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:22, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That change was added by User:Metacladistics. I think it may constitute a misuse of primary sources, or at least comparing apples and oranges: the statement appears to be based on simply counting the number of faces on the staff page (42 at the time of addition, 40 as of today). Using this count at face value, and comparing it to others, is fraught with uncertainty and the risk of original synthesis: it may not represent all employees, for instance, and we don't know what criteria previous employee numbers were based on. And if the company has recently split into two companies, as above comments indicate, then perhaps that accounts for some discrepancy, but in the absence of sources (secondary or not) that explicitly note employee numbers, or comment on changes therein, we should not be inferring things that aren't explicitly stated. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:42, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad this has been brought up. The query over the number of employees that Hindawi has brings up a fundamental problem with this article - which Hindawi is this article being written about? Academic publishing in the digital age is complex and it often involves multiple different companies to publish a single article or journal. For instance PLOS who publish PLOS journals, use the Editorial Manager manuscript submission system which is owned by Aries Systems, which was recently acquired by Elsevier. In that same manner the Hindawi Ltd journals, behind the scenes, utilize editorial and production services provided by the Egypt-based company Hindawi Publishing Corporation. The organisational arrangement is explained here: https://about.hindawi.com/blog/a-2018-update-on-hindawis-corporate-structure/ The Egyptian businessman Ahmed Hindawi is involved with both entities 'Hindawi Ltd' and 'Hindawi Publishing Corporation' and they used to be merged in the same legal entity before 2016. Hindawi Limited is a UK company with approximately 40 employees and is the publisher of the Hindawi journals https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08671628 I would propose we resolve this problem by creating different articles to describe each of the companies. This appears to be standard practice on Wikipedia e.g. the publishing imprint 'Urban & Schwarzenberg' has its own Wikipedia page describing it even though it has been acquired by Elsevier. One article should be made for Hindawi Limited (UK) which publishes the Hindawi journals and has approximately 40ish employees, and one separate Wikipedia article describing Hindawi Publishing Corporation (Egypt) which in 2011 was described as having 450 employees. Metacladistics (talk) 11:01, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of employees 

message: I see the last discussion on this page re: content was 2019. I plan to update the page organization to be in line with other publishing groups (e.g. Frontiers Media, MDPI), which primarily means an overt Controversies section. The current section title of "Journals" makes little sense to me, as the section is not a list of journals, and includes many entries about journal-specific controversies. I'll also be cleaning up some grammar as I see it. I've added a line on listing of many Hindawi journals on a warning list by the Chinese Academy of Sciences. I just wanted to make a note here as I know these pages can be controversial, and want to be sure that others are alerted to my intention to make changes and can discuss my proposed restructure here. I will be directly editing the article, so if these edits are not approved, the page should be reverted to its form from Jan 1st, 2022. Cheers. Crawdaunt (talk) 18:12, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update to article organization in line with other publishers 

message: Bringing to attention of page.
https://tuoitre-vn.translate.goog/3-nha-xuat-ban-lon-vao-danh-sach-den-20230927113809178.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Also see note elsewhere that I have a COI to declare per these publishers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MDPI#Declaring_COI
Cheers -- Crawdaunt (talk) 12:45, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hindawi, MDPI, Frontiers, blacklisted from Malaysia