Talk:True Love Waits (organization)

message: 'Nuf said. Isoxyl 14:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No need for snarky commentary

message: The paragraph about how virginity pledges are not effective is more pertinent to the article on the pledges themselves rather than this article. I've removed it and placed it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.174.60.3 (talk • contribs) 
"The effects of abstinence-based programms is under dispute. Scientific studies show that young adults who make an external commitment or pledge to maintain their virginity until marriage have similar rates of STDs as those who have not made an external commitment. Virginity Pledges Don't Cut STD Rates After the promise: The STD consequences of adolescent virginity pledges Other studies show that the effects of virginity pledges typically include the delay of vaginal sexual intercourse by 12 to 18 months, but with decreased likelihood of condom use at the first encounter. Virginity Pledges Don't Cut STD Rates (Part2) A 2005 Harvard study of virginity pledges showed that the pledges have little staying power among those who take them, with half the adolescents who signed the public promises giving up on their pledges within a year.Some may play fast and loose with virginity pledge, study finds"
:So True Love Waits is no virginity pledge and this information is irrelevant to the programm?--Nemissimo (talk) 19:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Without any reasonable arguments this will be readded.--Nemissimo (talk) 18:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Irrelevant information

message: I stripped the whole history section because it was a regurgitation of the History section of the TLW webiste. Worse, the later items in the section were direct copies of the website—and thus copyright violations. —C.Fred (talk) 05:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid you did not do enough. There was still way too much direct copying, and simply paraphrasing word for word is just as bad. An encyclopedia article is not the place to copy a detailed timeline from the official webpage, or a place to copy press releases. Please try to summarize and be concise (and use your own words). It also may help if you try to seek sources that are completely independent from the organization. This helps establish what is notable, as opposed to simply restating everything that is said on the official website. Hope this helps.-Andrew c [talk] 01:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't believe you understand how serious we take copyright violations here on Wikipedia. I rechecked the Africa section, and it still was problematic. You may have used multiple sources, but you used them verbatim in far too many places. Also, your blanket revert restored unsourced criticism which I had also blanked, and the long history section which you haven't defended here on talk. If your only concern was the Africa section, then you should have just restored that one section. Please be more careful in the future if and when you revert (that said, the Africa section has too many verbatim phrases lifted without quotation from the sources). If you are going to work up this article, which I encourage, please try harder to not copy content from the web. Summarize, use your own words. Changing word order, and using a couple synonyms is not enough. Thanks.-Andrew c [talk] 14:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: No sex before marriage?  Good luck! Simoncpu (talk) 03:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abstinence? 

message: I have removed the following:
"The program was specifically criticized in the 2004 documentary, The Education of Shelby Knox, which dealt with a high school student's efforts to bring comprehensive sex education curricula to her Lubbock, Texas high school.  Knox, who led the efforts to change her school district's policy, had taken a vow of purity through the True Love Waits program.
Feminist critics have cited the program as part of a rightwing attack on sex education in public schools."
as it is unsourced, and unclear.  A person in a documentary took the vow.  How is that a critisism?  the second part is clearly a violation of WP:WEASEL, and I think it's a stretch to say that it's an attack on sex education, since the program has nothing to do with sex education.  Anyway, if people want to reword these critisisms so that they make sense and find sources, feel free to put them back. Millermk90 (talk) 08:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critisism