Talk:Mike Krzyzewski

message: Shouldn't there be some information concerning the controversy over Krzyzewski's MasterCard and Chevrolet commercials? User:Rebel81086 18:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the gist was that they were promoting him as a really great, inspiring, perfect coach... and that would give him an unfair recruiting advantage. I recall hearing about it on Pardon the Interruption - so presumably some sources could be dug up if anyone is really inspired. Not sure if it warrants anything more than a blurb. --W.marsh 20:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From the way you describe it, it warrants no comment at all. Every major school has a recruiting advantage. If the NCAA has a problem with these ads, then it could be notable. Otherwise, it's irrelevant. Wahkeenah 23:25, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Commericals and refs

message: I don't think the salary information is relevant and should be cut. Remember 13:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got no opinion on this myself.  But, question! If you don't think the information is relevant, then why don't you think it should be cut?  140.147.160.34 (talk) 22:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you actually READ the comment you'll see the recommendation is that the irrelevant information SHOULD be cut.--76.87.222.255 (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salary 

message: I added the section that stated all of the seasons and the record but I did not have enough time to complete it.  I'll complete it later, but if someone wants to complete it now they can go to: 
Remember 19:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfinished table 

message: I was thinking this "*Featured Athlete on Fox Sports Net's Beyond the Glory" should be cut because it doesn't add anything to the page.  Does anyone have any strong feelings about this? Remember 19:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beyond the Glory 

message: Since hundreds of thousands of American boys were drafted and sent to Vietnam, it can't be accurate that Coach K was able to coach basketball during his Army time, can it?   For example, I was drafted out of law school.  Surely a service academy graduate wouldn't be coaching hoops while draftees were fighting a war?     Additional detail on this would be helpful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.27.38 (talk) 01:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time in the Army 

message: I removed the text about "self aggrandizing" as it was unsourced, pejorative and violated NPOV. Jknoble 03:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  USA Basketball 

message: Others have been deleting the controversy section, which I assume will be reverted again shortly.  In my opinion, the first paragraph should be deleted, but the second two paragraphs should remain.  The fact that ACC officials got ejected for calling a technical foul doesn't belong in an article about Mike Krzyzewski, it would belong in a controversy section of an article titled ACC Officiating, which doesn't exist.  The fact the officials made an allegedly bad call and got suspended has no relation to Coach K whatsoever unless somebody can cite a source that states the Coach K actively made the officials call a technical foul on the opposing player.  If an official mistakingly counted a basket after the buzzer in a game-ending circumstance in a game (which has happened), would you include that tidbit in the article about one of the team's coaches? Of course not.  However, the allegations that he cursed at undergraduates of the newspaper and the "silence" amidst the lacrosse scandal are actually actions by Coach K and are thus much more relevant. -Bluedog423Talk 04:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  Dubc0724 13:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good.  Remember 13:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy section discussion

message: I removed the mention of Krzyzewski turning down the Lakers job after Roy Williams turned it down.  Krzyzewski turned down the job when Phil Jackson left.  Williams turned it down when Tomjanovich left (before Jackson came back).
The mention of Williams was basically irrelevant, and it read as if Williams was the Lakers' "first choice" over Krzyzewski, which is inaccurate. Dubc0724 17:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually - Coach Williams apparently turned it down three times (or at least declined to go past the person of interest stage three times) and Coach Krzyzewski turned it down twice.  Here's an article for the [2004] time after Coach Jackson with both of them turning it down (which was the one in the article; the reference I used was solely for the "turned us down three times" quote, supporting that Roy Williams had indeed turned them down.) DukeEGR93 19:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh OK... I wasn't disputing that Williams had turned the job down; I only disputed the way it was worded.  It was my understanding that Coach K was offered the job when Jackson left, but Williams wasn't offered it until they were trying to replace Rudy T.  Sounds like I'm all mixed up...  Thanks for the info. Dubc0724 21:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lakers/Krzyzewski/Roy Williams 

message: This article seems to gloss over the 1994-1995 season. The facts are:
Krzyzewski coached the first 12 games (9-3) in 1994-95 before leaving the team for back surgery and exhaustion. Pete Gaudet coached the final 19 games (4-15) as interim head coach. (in article)
Krzyzewski appealed to have those games removed from his record. 
He later claimed "I should have been credited with all of those losses." Sports Illustrated. 
If we provide a citation for his appeal, the whole bit should appear under the contraversy section. If talking heads like Billy Packer are still discussing it a dozen years later, it IS contraversy. --70.108.15.246 03:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya, that's because Billy Packer hates Duke for some reason.  If I quoted Dick Vitale saying "JJ Redick is the best player ever" (I don't think he's ever actually said that contrary to what Duke-haters want you to think; also, I think most Duke fans find Vitale annoying a lot of the time), I'm sure people would delete the quote saying, POV POV! Dick Vitale loves Duke so he's not unbiased! I'd argue the same thing with Billy Packer.  And Doug Gottlieb and Gregg Doyel, but that's another story.  The NCAA's standard practice has always been to not credit coaches with neither wins nor losses accumulated when they missed extended parts of the season.  See the similar cases of Phog Allen (Kansas, 1947), Harold Anderson, (Bowling Green, 1951), Slats Gill (Oregon State, 1960), Cappy Cappon, (Princeton, 1961), Doggie Julian (Dartmouth, 1967), and Rick Majerus (Utah, 1990, and again in 2001).Link no longer works, can't find the cached version.  In any event, I argue that there is no controversy except that Duke-haters everywhere want to see Coach K fail. And where is the source that says Krzyzewski appealed to have those games removed from his record?-Bluedog423Talk 23:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The text that was removed looks pretty good. It is factual and sourced and has apparently been improved since the text above in this discussion. What more do you want? To arbitrarily remove things that you don't like? -207.145.105.170 21:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem whatsoever with what it says right now, and it is even properly cited.  The source used states, "Johnson, the NCAA's associate director of statistics, said Duke followed NCAA protocol for coach Mike Krzyzewski's leave of absence in January 1995. Johnson talked to Duke officials before assistant coach Gaudet directed the team while Krzyzewski had back surgery and recovered from exhaustion [...] NCAA procedures allow the school to decide which coach gets credit when a leave of absence is taken."Charlotte Observer article My argument is that Duke clearly followed the NCAA rules, so how is there controversy? Because Billy Packer doesn't like the NCAA rule? Then make a controversy of the NCAA if you want.  If you think this information is significant enough to be in the article (which I personally don't think it is), then it should at least be moved to the "Tenure at Duke" section since there is no controversy. -Bluedog423Talk 05:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1994-1995 

message: As listed for some years (2005-06, 2001-02, etc), Duke was #1 for the final post season poll for the AP?? How is that possible if they did not win the national championship (only made the Sweet 16 or other)? That just doesn't make sense, and should probably be changed if incorrect. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 03:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  #1 in AP Polls? 

message: Krzyzewski's record in the NCAA tournament now is 77-22, not 76-22 as listed in Tenure at Duke.  Percentage is 77.8%
Alex (talk) 21:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Alex.alm@gmail.com, 6 April 2010 

message: His records need to be expanded.  Coach K has coached in 8 title games, second only to John Wooden.  His victory total of 4 is tied for second with Adolph Rupp.  Ironically, he has also been the LOSING coach in 4 title games, giving him the dubious distinction of having coached the most losing teams in the title game (Dean Smith is second with 3 losses).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.218.161.17 (talk) 01:56, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: All true, but not remotely ironic. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:29, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of appearances in the title game

message: The Duke section is sort of repetitive - 500th win, 900th win, 900th win, etc. etc. Would it make sense to turn this into a timeline, something like:
=== Notable wins ===
* 227th win (all-time winningest coach at Duke, passing Eddie Cameron): (March 16th, 1990) (cite)
* 903rd win (all-time winningest NCAA Div. 1 men's basketball coach, passing Bob Knight): (Nov. 11, 2011) (cite)
* 1000th win (first Div. 1 men's coach to pass 1,000 wins): (date) (cite)
I feel like this format would be easier to read/update, and eliminate a bunch of the redundant verbiage in the body. Anyone object to me starting on it? —Luis (talk) 00:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Objection to moving milestone wins into a timeline? 

message: * 227th win (all-time winningest coach at Duke, passing Eddie Cameron): (March 16th, 1990) (cite)
* 903rd win (all-time winningest NCAA Div. 1 men's basketball coach, passing Bob Knight): (Nov. 11, 2011) (cite)
* 1000th win (first Div. 1 men's coach to pass 1,000 wins): (date) (cite)
I feel like this format would be easier to read/update, and eliminate a bunch of the redundant verbiage in the body. Anyone object to me starting on it? —Luis (talk) 00:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable wins 

message: Text says that he was Coach of the Year in 1974, but he was a coach at Indiana at that time.  I think it is supposed to be 1984.  This is confirmed later in the list of ACC Coaches of the Year.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.24.80 (talk) 04:21, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACC Coach of the Year 

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message: Why does this article look like this? Lolz56777 (talk) 02:06, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major style edits needed 

message: I would like to add the term "Greatest of all time" to the See also section for Mike Krzyzewski's wikipedia page. Eligertler34 (talk) 18:27, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2022