Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts/Archive 4

message: I'm attempting to write an article on the painter Camprio, & it was suggested that I also ask for further information & help here. As I understand it, posting here & in the reference section is not cross-posting, so please forgive if I am wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Camprio_-_painter.2C_biography
Thanks Gpfx 17:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camprio 

message: The whole French art series (all centuries and subpages) is in serious need of work (expansion, footnotes, references, clean-up) by knowledgable specialists.  Thanks -- NYArtsnWords 03:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  French art history 

message: This was a list but has now been hugely expanded by a few editors; some of it may be cut & pasted from other articles, I'm not sure.  Much of it is repeated at a new Western painting.  The coverage & quality seem pretty variable to me. As these are I suppose flagship articles, people may like to help out.  Johnbod 02:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[History of Painting]] 

message: and almost all articles in this area really need help!  Johnbod 14:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just follow the information on editing in your welcome message. But read the stuff about copyright & the GDFL licence - material must either be released under this or not previously published.  Also the general tone & so on needs to conform to Wikipedia style. Hope that helps. Johnbod 14:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Indian art]] 

message: I'd appreciate help in sorting out, and figuring out which images can be used with a fair use explanation in educational articles such as Western painting. All input from Visual arts editors will be appreciated. Please weigh in here or at Talk:Western painting Thanks Modernist 15:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Western painting]]

message: The articles Frank Popper and Joseph Nechvatal have a conflict of interest going on. Namely,  the two were initially substantially edited near the same time, and created by the subject/someone close to the subject. Nechvatal's article has been extensively edited by his daughter (81.57.34.12) and she has also edited Popper's. I'm suspicious about a few things: namely, Nechvatal's critical evaluation appears to have only a positive point of view, and Popper is greatly aggrandized in his article. Can anyone help to sort this out?--Wafulz 22:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add Julia Suits. For whatever reason, an editor who appears to be Julia Suits - not the article's creator - wants to keep the article minimalist. Gordonofcartoon 23:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A few conflict of interest articles

message: hi , I propose using this image or some modified version for the project icon, to make it more distingiseable --Andersmusician $ 05:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I prefered the earlier version of the hand, & don't much like this, nor do I think it makes the icon more distinguishable Johnbod 21:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  project iconç 

message: User:Infoart writes for the Saatchi Gallery web site. He has created many articles on the same artists on wikipedia, initially using the same text (which he says he owns the copyright of) and then paraphrasing it. The text is "art talk" and not suitable for a wikipedia article. One solution is to speedy delete them all as advertising requiring a rewrite. I feel it would be more in wikipedia's interest to keep them and bring them to an acceptable standard, initially by stubbing them. If a consensus of editors feel differently, then we can act accordingly. In the meantime, I've opened this page to co-ordinate efforts: 
Infoart articles
Tyrenius 14:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infoart

message: Hi. I have created an article on William Theed (as part of a project on Dunorlan Park where a statue of his was displayed before it was stolen. Just thought you'd like to know as I think it falls under you area of interest! Thanks --McKDandy 21:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Tyrenius 03:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What'd be the convention for naming? This is "William Theed the younger", son of "William Theed the elder". The son is better known, so for the moment I've left him as William Theed and called his father William Theed the elder. Gordonofcartoon 01:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: William Theed

message: The Miguel Calderón article has the notability template on it. I think he's a pretty well known contemporary artist, can somebody take a look? I added some external links but not much beyond that.  --AW 16:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? --AW 19:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, I have not heard of him. But, I believe you have asserted his notability. I would suggest you cite your sources for the statements you make there. --Kimontalk 19:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okey doke --AW 20:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now another user is saying the notability is not asserted, because "he needs an individual exhibit at a major art museum." Anyone else care to take a look? --AW 20:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miguel Calderon notability 

message: See 4 discussions at Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#June_4 -- Tyrenius 14:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Art templates for deletion/renaming

message: OK article, but needs better referencing than indiscriminate bibliography. Gordonofcartoon 01:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[George Hayter]]

message: Art-knowledgeable editors would be useful in helping sort out the mess re Bill Dunlap - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Dunlap. Gordonofcartoon 11:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple Dunlaps

message: Postmodern art. Is the format reasonable? How's the citation density? Does it need more images? What direction should this article go in? Thanks, Vagary 01:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Having worked considerably hard editing this article, I have an opinion, and in my opinion the format is fine, citations can always be added to the many that are there now, no more images, and the factual specifics concerning contemporary art movements like intermedia, performance art, Appropriation art, and Neo-conceptual art, installation art, Institutional Critique, can be deepened. If important textual changes can improve something then add and cite. Thanks, Modernist 03:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note, On June 11, the image Sol LeWitt, Four Sided Pyramid, was deleted for copyright reasons it or something similar could be added. Modernist 11:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Assessment

message: (aka Annex Galleries). Having been advised on article format and WP:COI guidelines, has proceeded to create another article, Bernard childs, with the same nonstandard format and a COI link. Gordonofcartoon 18:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bernard childs deleted as copyvio. Worth checking any other articles. This is clearly promotional and if it requires rewriting, then it can be speedied under G11. I'll watch this space, or post on my talk page.Tyrenius 01:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential ongoing cleanup

message: Comment invited at the above location. Tyrenius 16:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User_talk:Infoart#New_draft_articles]]

message: Interesting, but is it notable? I can't decide. Gordonofcartoon 10:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Borderline, but seems to have got some recognition. I've added EL of BBC site (info needs to be incorporated and used as ref) plus info and ref from University of Exeter. Tyrenius 14:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Bristol Art Library]]

message: I've changed the archive box to include /Infoart articles. It was automatic, but now it's manual. If anyone wants to archive talk from this page, just click on the link in the archive box for the right period; then cut and paste talk from this page into the archive page: GFDL is preserved in the history of this page. GFDL for /Infoart articles is preserved in its own history. Tyrenius 00:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving [[/Infoart articles]]

message: Notable? Gordonofcartoon 22:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems not! Tyrenius 00:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Pam Pahl]]

message: Euw. Help appreciated: a lot of unsourced waffly stuff from way back. Gordonofcartoon 02:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[John Tunnard]]

message: Check this out. Tyrenius 01:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an interesting point theoretically - that the GFDL license might deter artists from uploading images because of its requirement to permit "alteration" of images. But I'd like to see a concrete example of how this concern might manifest in a way detrimental to an artist. Gordonofcartoon 02:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I've copied my response to Jimbo's talk page and suggest continuing there as a more prominent forum. Tyrenius 04:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Wikiepedia_Use_Of_Artistic_Images]]

message: I just became aware of the existence of User:AlexNewArtBot which produces lists of new articles including specified terms for many projects. Maybe we should be on this? Johnbod 16:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New articles bot

message: Some points of possible wider application are being made in the above discussion. Tyrenius 00:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I voted delete on that because the gallery was very large and only contained titles and dates. If that was allowed the same could be done for every artist, and I think that would create a backlash against galleries.  I think more text and informative captions have to be added to make a gallery tenable in the current climate. A huge number of editors seem to think there is a policy against galleries as such, which there isn't.  Many think this hypothetical prohibition applies even to small galleries at the end of articles.  Nowadays it's asking for trouble to call anything a gallery in the title - just like "Foo...in popular culture". Johnbod 02:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm glad we made the arguments, just the same, win some lose some, the point was made though. Modernist 13:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William-Adolphe Bouguereau gallery (3rd nomination)]]

message: Resolved
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Dikeou collection is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 18:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not convinced. I think it should go. Modernist 03:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expert review: Dikeou collection 

message: Resolved
Please see Maurice J. Stephens and Ruediger Carl and their talk pages. Input welcome. Tyrenius 23:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither appear (in that form) in the Getty Union list of Artists' Names.  However slightly to my surprise, Richard Anuszkiewicz (supposed pupil of Carl) does But artists of that date who are not in the Getty list aren't likely to be notable as artists. Johnbod 23:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked out a couple of other dubious names from the articles and they're OK: it's just the article subjects which appear not to be. Tyrenius 00:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's that post-exam period. Off to AfD I think. Johnbod 00:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Ah - well spotted! An intra-wiki copyvio even! Johnbod 03:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suspected hoaxes

message: Could I have opinions re notability? Apart from getting hyped on Alasdair Gray's blog, I can't find much sign of him. Gordonofcartoon 02:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the 2 big quotes, the Arts Council Grant, & the retrospective just bring him in under WP:BIO. Johnbod 02:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a problem with multiple independent sources (that is, lack of). There is an exhbition catalogue. The Scottish Arts Council recognition is helpful. I'll go for keep, but the article needs to be edited. Tyrenius 03:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Gray's text in the article was apparently published in a catalogue, so I think we can use this safely.  Blog? To be used with care, I guess, though I don't think it should be completely excluded. Tyrenius 16:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See new discussion on Talk:Alasdair Taylor‎ and continue there. Tyrenius 21:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found a new source: an online Ayrshire arts brochure wth plenty of detail. Hmmm: I still have an obscure feeling that rather than acting on notability criteria, Wikipedia has been coopted into a long-running attempt to create notability for this guy. Gordonofcartoon 13:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He is certainly being positioned as "famously unknown", a la Vermeer, Grunewald etc once upon a time. But that the Arts Council of S made a grant to sort out his documentation after his death is persuasive. Johnbod 15:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The long-running attempts have in themselves bestowed a degree of notability.  It could go to AfD, but, judging from past results, I think it would pass. Ironically, Gordonofcartoon has done some good sleuthing work to make this even more likely! Tyrenius 00:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind it passing. The Gray saga is QI. I just minded it being based on blatant (and pretty unrepentant) OR and COI. I think we've got enough now to move beyond that. Gordonofcartoon 01:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good on all points! Well done on your work there. Tyrenius 01:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Alasdair Taylor]]

message: Any thoughts on this? 5 google hits including wiki, maybe a couple of mirror sites. The creator's contributions indicate it's not a hoax. Can anyone check out the Greek wiki? Tyrenius 03:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ipodamos seems to know a lot about Greek art. Modernist 04:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found him on the Greek Wikipedia: Πολυχρόνης Λεμπέσης Unfortunately my Greek is limited to reading the alphabet. But Googling the Greek name finds the English transliteration is Polychronis Lembesis, which is a bit more useful in finding references. Gordonofcartoon 13:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cross-posted a request to Ipodamos. Incidentally,  is clearly enthusiastic, but heading for a block if he/she doesn't stop removing maintenance tags on unsourced material. Gordonofcartoon 11:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good detective work there. Give AGENT 7 a chance per WP:BITE. Tyrenius 14:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to, but he/she is not taking advice: adding large quantities of unreferenced material in poor English, removing maintenance templates until blocked, twice now, and now coming back as IP sockpuppets to do more of the same. See latest effort at Polychronis Lembesis. Gordonofcartoon 14:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Polychronos Lempesis]] (moved to [[Polychronis Lembesis]])

message: Interesting batch of artist bios here, many of which need sourcing/expansion. Gordonofcartoon 11:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[COBRA (avant-garde movement)]]

message: I've added a to do list for WikiProject Contemporary Art which lists some of the articles already tagged as non-notable, unreferenced etc.--Ethicoaestheticist 22:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: To do list for WikiProject Contemporary Art

message: This site is a good resource of images and seems to be in line with wiki policies. http://www.museumsyndicate.com/missionstatement.php . Worth considering for External links. Tyrenius 02:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Museumsyndicate.com

message: Anyone know anything about him? I'm struggling with finding notability and independent sources: just a couple of gallery profiles, and a Western Daily Press piece that clearly came straight from the same source (as, I suspect, did the whole article and bundle of images). Gordonofcartoon 02:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only 50 google hits including wiki and mirrors, and nothing of great note. Not quite a speedy, but probably suitable for AfD.  He seems to have recognition as a member of various societies, but that on its own is not enough. Tyrenius 18:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sam Dodwell]]

message: Resolved
I'd like some evaluation of this. Only about 40 google hits. Tyrenius 23:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Curiously I'm still only getting 16 hits for "Ralfonso Gschwend". I've put a verify tag on the article for now. Tyrenius 01:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The big number is just for "Ralfonso" - obviously not all about him, but more than 16 certainly. But he also uses "Ralf Gschwend", which gets 364, again mostly low quality. I haven't explored very far.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbod (talk • contribs) 01:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ralfonso – Ralf Gschwend]]

message: An aesthetics task force has been set up at WikiProject Philosophy which might benefit from WikiProject Visual Arts input, or vice versa.--Ethicoaestheticist 21:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent! I know it sounds like a Monty Python sketch, but best of luck. Art needs a look over. Johnbod 21:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy/Aesthetics]]

message: This issue has been raised on the article's talk page and after back and forth between myself and Dsmdgold with no consensus, at his suggestion I am bringing it to your attention for comments.  If interested members of this wikiproject could add their input there, that would be appreciated.  Please note that this is not an RFC, but as I just noticed that, this could be referred there too.  Thanks.  BrokenSphereMsg me 04:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suitability of the large gallery in [[William-Adolphe Bouguereau]]

message: The other day a new editor added a lot of links from the Archives of American Art to articles related to American visual artists. An administrator blocked him, and deleted all of them and a controversy ensued. A few editors including me protested - saying the links to the Archives of American art were not spam. Another administrator unblocked him. I restored  all the links. Please weigh in here:  and there is more information here : Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#http:.2F.2Fwww.aaa.si.edu
and   If you have an opinion, it will be appreciated. Thanks, Modernist 10:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've posted on AN/I and WikiProject Spam. Tyrenius 13:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with User:Modernist. The links enrich the articles by connecting them to an unimpeachable, public, institutional, non-commercial, and thoroughly accredited source. Regardless of the fact that the links may have been added by some automatic means, they should remain, as welcome and legitimate sources of information. MdArtLover 18:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archives of American Art

message: Those visually inclined might like to check out the above and its talk page. Tyrenius 07:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Template standardisation]]

message: Had to share this: I was fascinated to find that Stephen Lack from Scanners is a successful artist. Gordonofcartoon 04:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stephen is well known as a painter. From the days when Gracie Mansion was his dealer during the 1980s. Modernist 23:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephen Lack

message: Could someone check out this article? I'm not sufficiently au fait with art copyright to judge, but "self-promotional, experimental or exhibition work" looks iffy as a justification for image use. COI issues too. Gordonofcartoon 11:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sarah Coleman]]

message: Could somebody please assess The School of the Art Institute of Chicago? --76.214.201.26 08:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request For Assessment - SAIC 

message: There is an out of control editor - an art expert - on Frida Kahlo and Diego Rivera who apparently knows better than all, - 70.18.5.219 (Talk), and I am at the edge of the 3RR's and I can't really continue without violating that rule, he's left a message on the talk page that is fairly over the top.  Give a look, much appreciated. Modernist 23:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Frida Kahlo

message: Sorry if I didn't post this correctly - I apologise for my incorrect English - it's not my native language.
I have a question about the article about Sofonisba Anguissola.
She was the oldest daughter of a Cremonese nobleman - and she had five sisters and one brother.
In the article it is said that her mother died when she was four or five.
Was her mother pregnant all the time, or are her siblings twins? Or did her father marry another woman?
Sincerely Lena Kronberg - Sweden.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.230.198.40 (talk) 01:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Her sisters are between 8 & 25 years younger than her, so must be from at least one other wife. Johnbod 03:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sofonisba Anguissola]]

message: Noone at WP:WRE seems to have access to askart.com, so I was wondering if any of you do. I'm going to write an article about Fermin Rocker, so it would be cool if someonce could send me his biography at askart by e-mail.--Carabinieri 02:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  askart.com 

message: All the images have been deleted from the article in the last few days. Initially the gallery was deleted and then when I included them in the article proper, they were deleted again. I've reverted the revert. I am of the opinion that articles about Visual Artists require images, especially when all the Fair Use Rationales are correct, valid and in place. I am also of the opinion that these policies can be interpreted in many different ways and they are often interpreted counter to the understanding of visual arts editors when it comes to illustrating articles. People might weigh in with their opinions on Talk:Max Ernst. -  Modernist 13:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Max Ernst

message: There is a small group of article manipulators who seem to think that photo manipulation better describes photo editing than image editing. I don't have to tell you the negative implications that are associated with the word manipulation. By directing the term "photo editing" to that article, it implies that every form of photo editing is a form of manipulation. So if you don't want to feel guilty for using photoshop, I encourage you to join the debate. Oicumayberight 21:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: to anyone with an interest in how the practice of photo editing is portrayed

message: I've just suggested a merge of Art extraordinary into Outsider Art, as it's largely duplicated material. Any thoughts? See Talk:Outsider Art#Merger proposal. Gordonofcartoon 11:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: The article on this important sculptor is something of a mess. I have tagged it but am currently dedicating my time to expanding several related articles, including Eagle's Nest Art Colony, Lowden State Park and Black Hawk Statue. Any help at least fixing the bad structure of the Taft article would be great. As is the article is mostly an image gallery as opposed to an encyclopedia article. Thanks. IvoShandor 17:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Lorado Taft]]

message: Page(s) related to this project have been created and/or added to one of the Wikipedia:Contents subpages (not by me).
*List of basic visual arts topics
*List of basic craft topics
*List of basic drawing topics
*List of basic painting topics
*List of basic sculpture topics
This note is to let you know, so that experts in the field can expand them and check them for accuracy, and so that they can be added to any watchlists/tasklists, and have any appropriate project banners added, etc. Thanks. --Quiddity 19:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice of List articles 

message: I have a categorization question I'd like to discuss over at Category_talk:Arts_genres_by_country_or_nationality. Thanks! Clubmarx (talk) 04:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arts genres by country or nationality 

message: I was wondering if someone knew if it's possible to use an image made by a contemporary artist (scanned from a book, picture taken at a gallery, etc), because i find that there are too many article's without images, and i can't seem to find any image  (with less than 30 years old) properly tagged.  Some examples of articles that deserve at least one image would be David Shrigley, Gilbert and George, Pierre et Gilles, Stephen Shore, etc. Is it really the only thing we can use book covers? like in David LaChapelle? -Yamanbaiia (talk) 13:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you can, but you have to include a specific fair use rationale justifying it on the image page.  See Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria and [].  You have to include a link to the article where the image is used, and details of the source (link if the source is online) and copyright owner, usually the artist, though there may be an additional copyright owner for a photo of a 3-D work. You can't use a book cover, unless the book is specifically alluded to in the text. Tyrenius (talk) 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use for contemporary art 

message: Editor help requested here. Tyrenius 02:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out also The New School of Classical Art, funnily enough run by Dana E. Levin. BTW its content all comes verbatim from www.danalevin.com - so either copyvio or inside job. I've cross-posted both to WP:COI/N. I'd deal with it myself, but it's late here and I'm turning in. Gordonofcartoon 03:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good move on the copyvio notice. Tyrenius 20:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We get waves of this every few months, also spam links to the school site quite well spread around (last time anyway).  I think you'll see the user name rather gave the game away before. Johnbod 22:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Dana E. Levin]]

message: Can anyone find references to the 20th century artist Max Kahn--in particular, to his lithographs being in the museums mentioned? the article has been challenged. DGG (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: References added for works in the collections of Illinois State Museum, Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco and the National Gallery of Canada.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 20:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Reference for Max Kahn (b. 1904); (b. 1903) can be found in the following books:
*James Watrous, American Printmaking: a century of American printmaking, 1880-1980, (Madison, Wis. : University of Wisconsin Press, 1984.) 9780299096809 Chapter 6, Printmaking in the 1950s, p.183. 
Max Kahn was a fine lithographer and master-printer from Chicago. In 1939 he was a visiting instructor at the John Herron Art Institute in Indianapolis, IN.
* David Acton, The Stamp of Impulse: abstract expressionist prints, (New York : Hudson Hills Press ; Worcester, Mass. : In Association with the Worcester Art Museum, ©2001)  9781555952136 pp.104, 132         
* Who was Who in American Art 1564-1975, 400 Years of Artists in America, Vol. II:G-O (Sound View Press, An Affiliate of Institute for Art Research & Documentation A Non-Profit Arts Educational Organization, 1999.) p.1780. Max Kahn (Litographer, painter, sculptor, teacher) b. 1903, Russia. 
Exhibited: 
* 1939: Whitney Museum of American Art; Art Institute of Chicago; Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts
* 1939: World's Fair, New York   
* 1947-1951, 1958, 1960: Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts Annuals
* 1947, 1959: Corcoran Gallery, Washington, D.C.
I hope these references will be helpful. Sincerely, (Salmon1 (talk) 04:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

text: The above information was added to the article: Max Kahn (Salmon1 (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Max Kahn

message: Is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts/Art Manual of Style, which has not got very far.  Please add.  Johnbod (talk) 12:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Visual arts Draft MoS

message: Cacophany asked for "thoughts" above.  There are now many comments above and at my "demo" on this; it doesn't change the actual image size, so is essentially pointless, and the possible benefits (of layout only) to a few with big screens are surely outweighed by most not being able to see a whole row, even at 160, never mind 200.  Or are we all missing something?  Johnbod 14:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I think we were, as I happened to choose a row with 4 "portrait" format pics. "Landscape" format ones do increase in size - I have now added a second row to the "demo".  To me they increase up to 160?, but the pics at 250 don't increase proportionately.  But given the comments there, I am dubious it is a good idea to force these, certainly to over 150 - even at 150 many people have to scroll, never mind 200. Johnbod (talk) 15:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the sizing of galleries, you can manually set the size of the images in the gallery, not just the spacing between them.  This is explained at m:Help:Images.  The code is <gallery caption="Sample gallery" widths="100px" heights="100px" perrow="6">.  You  don't have to set both the height and width, and perrow determines how many images per row are displayed. In some cases a gallery caption would work better than a section heading. Cacophony (talk) 17:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Boy, what a useless Help page! But you weren't doing that with your changes, which just changed the spacing. Johnbod (talk) 17:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An example of a modified gallery can be seen here: created by TonyTheTiger. I really think we should determine Visual arts guidelines amongst visual arts editors. While Cacophony is a fine editor I'd appreciate with all due respect his not reverting anymore visual arts articles. Modernist (talk) 18:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''Gallery size summation'''

message: I'm clearing a backlog of stub assessments for WikiProject Medicine, and I ran across an article on Gugging.  It seemed to me that it ought to have a category to link it to visual arts, but I didn't know which one.  So I went to Art therapy, thinking that I would find something appropriate there.  However, that article is also missing any connection to art.  Can someone here, who knows way more about this than I do, please add an appropriate category to these two articles?  I'd really appreciate your help.  03:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a category :Category:Martial arts therapy. There needs to be :Category:Art therapy. Tyrenius (talk) 13:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Art therapy

message: Format changes here at the intro to:Middle Ages by FrankB seem awkward, I think input from other editors might be useful. Although they were quickly reverted, just now. Modernist (talk) 17:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be to do with his proposal here, where you can tell him what you think about it. Johnbod (talk) 18:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Middle Ages]]

message: Moved here from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arts#Milovan Destil Marković:  has recently created the article Milovan Destil Marković. I've had a discussion with him/her about the lead section of the article, at User talk:B.stegmayer#Milovan Destil Marković and User talk:Aecis#Your request about a change to the Page on Milovan Destil Marković. The lead section of the article contains a number of terms that may be difficult to understand for readers who are not well versed in art terminology. An example: "In his recent work Marković investigates the possibilities and challenges as well as the limits of visual representation in general, but is primarily concerned with the role of the close-up. Marković draws attention to the politics of representation involved in the production of visibility and invisibility of the human face (propaganda or commercial advertisement versus the making invisible and removal from public awareness). Both of these productions are socially conditioned and socially performed. Moreover, as often as not, they are produced in/by public space, where the “ideal face” may be used for fulfilling ideological, propaganda or market purposes." (italics added for emphasis) This reads like a museum brochure. I'm not very well versed in these terms, so I would like to ask the members of this WikiProject to assist in making this article accessible to lay readers. Note:  this is not a dispute. AecisBrievenbus 21:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Milovan Destil Marković]] 

message: (From MoS sub-page)
I'm doing some heavy lifting at Western Painting because of the {non-free} tags there and on Self-portrait and History of painting placed by the image hunters....There is a little banter on Talk:Western painting  When I finish western painting I'll remove the tags, and start on the other two articles. Any thoughts? Modernist (talk) 01:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy lifting 

message: The use of non-free media in lists, gallery articles (but not galleries within articles), discographies, and navigational and user-interface elements usually fails the test for significance (criterion #8), and if it fails this test such use is unacceptable.
-Galleries within articles are frequently used in overview Visual arts articles, where many images are needed, often accompanied by lengthy captions.  There would appear to be no reason why this arrangement of text and images should be treated differently from others.  Examples:Nativity of Jesus in art, Self-portrait, Halo (religious iconography).  </blockquote>
Thoughts? Johnbod (talk) 16:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unacceptable images

message: People might want to take a look. Happy holidays to all! Johnbod (talk) 17:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really well done, congratulations to Ceoil, Johnbod, JNW, Amandajm, Qp10qp, and SandyGeorgia and everyone else who pitched in. Happy Holidays!  Modernist (talk) 23:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has now passed, joining this distinguished company.  Thanks to all who rallied round, especially JNW who contributed more than I did I'm sure. Johnbod (talk) 22:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Au contraire! This was really a team effort, as a look at the edit history will show--I think it was Ceoil who dragged me into this one. Congratulations all. It's champagne in paper cups tonight! JNW (talk) 23:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

text: WELL DONE ALL, CONGRATULATIONS. Modernist (talk) 23:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Amazing job everyone!freshacconcispeaktome 00:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Las Meninas]] up for Featured Article 

message: Type  to get the above. The background colour is the same as on artist info boxes. Please watchlist... Tyrenius (talk) 16:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:WPVA]] 

message: Somebody better-versed on Picasso than I am may want to inspect this article, where a surprising claim is alleged to be supported by Sutton and Moravia & Lecaldano. There may be some ventriloquism going on here as the one source I have been able to check does not say anything like what it is alleged to say. I've made modifications accordingly, but I still suspect the article of false precision in naming this "the last painting of the blue period" and claiming that a consensus of experts agrees.  Ewulp (http://) 05:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the 1980 MoMA catalog accompanying the massive Pablo Picasso retrospective on page 56 in the Chronology - 1904 - 1906, it clearly states: "Spring-Summer: Paints last "blue" works, among them Woman Ironing and the gouache Woman with Helmet of Hair, (both p.60).
"In summer, liaison with woman named Madeleine, about whom little is known, although she is probably model for Woman with Helmet of Hair. She inspires the Maternite theme that appears repeatedly in his drawings and gouaches and leads finally to the theme of the Family of Harlequin (pp. 62,63)." - No Mention at all of Portrait of Suzanne Bloch Modernist (talk) 00:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Likewise, in two large catalogues accompanying recent museum exhibitions, one on Picasso's early work, and one on his portraits, no mention was made of the Bloch portrait having special chronological significance. JNW (talk) 02:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks to JNW, Modernist, Tyrenius, and Dornicke for helping out here! And best news of all is that the painting has been recovered. Ewulp (talk) 03:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Portrait of Suzanne Bloch]] 

message: :In the 1980 MoMA catalog accompanying the massive Pablo Picasso retrospective on page 56 in the Chronology - 1904 - 1906, it clearly states: "Spring-Summer: Paints last "blue" works, among them Woman Ironing and the gouache Woman with Helmet of Hair, (both p.60).
"In summer, liaison with woman named Madeleine, about whom little is known, although she is probably model for Woman with Helmet of Hair. She inspires the Maternite theme that appears repeatedly in his drawings and gouaches and leads finally to the theme of the Family of Harlequin (pp. 62,63)." - No Mention at all of Portrait of Suzanne Bloch Modernist (talk) 00:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Likewise, in two large catalogues accompanying recent museum exhibitions, one on Picasso's early work, and one on his portraits, no mention was made of the Bloch portrait having special chronological significance. JNW (talk) 02:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks to JNW, Modernist, Tyrenius, and Dornicke for helping out here! And best news of all is that the painting has been recovered. Ewulp (talk) 03:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: No mention

message: A new editor has created a number of pages taken, I believe, from translations from the German wiki. I've tagged most with some copyedit and tone tags. I don't have a great deal of time at the moment to go through them in detail. Some other editors may want to check in and do some work. I don't believe there are too many notability issues, just grammar and tone fixes. I'm sending a note to Artnet-wik so he/she knows this is going on and it's not a personal thing, just some clean-up. freshacconcispeaktome 15:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In at least one of the articles, there might be a COI issue, with the subject of the article being connected (in exactly which way is not entirely clear to me) with the author. The page was taken from a third-party site, and permission was obtained retrospectively. Pseudomonas(talk) 15:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Special:Contributions/Artnet-wik|Artnet-wik]] 

message: I've just written the above article from a redlink. I'd be grateful for any feedback by anyone who knows anything about 17thC baroque portraiture. I've taken this as far as my sources allow, but most of them are historical rather than artistic and if anyone knows where I can get a hold of critical assessments of his actual work I'd also be obliged. It may be obvious from reading this, but I actually know nothing whatsoever about art.--Docg 00:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[John Michael Wright]] 

message: See WP:COI/N#Category:Cuban_contemporary_artists: apparently some spamming going on, but worth a glance to make sure notable ones aren't being binned during the cleanup. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 12:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contemporary Cuban artists