Talk:Heckler & Koch G11

message: So there is no reason for production of this gun starting?
: If I understand correctly, with the German reunification, the Germans had both less concerns about their immediate national security, and more need for funding for administration, reabilitation etc. Hence, the costly project of mass-producing a radically revolutionnary weapon was posponned sine die. Rama 15:10, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for failure? 

message: I can understand the confusion, but I'm guessing the higher rate of fire in burst mode is correct.  It would be more useful that way.  The sources I'm seeing keep mentioning rate of fire in the 2000 rounds per minute range, but I haven't been able to confirm a difference between full auto and burst.  Friday (talk) 22:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A bit further down in the article is "When firing in semi-auto and full auto modes, the rifle only loads and fires one round per transit of the barrel, cutting the rate of fire to a controllable 1/3 of its max rate.", which confirms what I suspected above.  So I've put it back the way it was. Friday (talk) 22:55, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I can only guess... I think it could but be impractical (too high a heat buildup , look at the M16, it's rated at only ~15 shots/min sustained. Yes, FIFTEEN. Not to mention that the clip would last no more than ~1.5 seconds). User.Zero.Zero.Zero.One (talk) 17:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Another reply seems to have slipped into the :Propellant: section below. I would move it here since it was meant to be here, but Wiki rules don't allow that. After all, I think it could go at 2000/min on full auto but the recoil would be unmanageable (esp. without any compensation), and the ammo would go to fast to use it fixed/bipodded for any useful length of time (1.5sec again). BTW each time I see that brick of a rifle, it reminds me of the Phaser rifle. Coincidence??? User.Zero.Zero.Zero.One (talk) 17:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rates of fire 

message: Makes an appearance in the PC games Fallout 2, Delta-Force "Land Warrior", IGI2. 
Also in James Bond:Agent Under Fire Gamecube game.
I believe the JSSDF commandos in The End of Evangelion use this rifle. Freelancepolice 01:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The currently policy on noting that a gun is used in a game or movie is to note it in the article for the movie or game. Reasoning was the following: If someone plays the game or watches the movie, he'll look at that article and follow the link to the gun article. As opposed to someone reading the gun article already and wondering "in which game or movie was this?". Otherwise, the list in this article would be quite long (hey, you forgot Jagged Alliance 2 - it is the rarest guns around, only carried by Mike The Mysterious Mercenary). Tierlieb (talk) 09:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also primary weapon of Phoenix in Demolition Man. Stuntman crow (talk) 01:00, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It has now appeared in Call of Duty: Black Ops and this was the reason i came to see the wikipedia article on it cause it seemed very powerful which led me to believe it used a high calibre bullet, now it's in Call of Duty - Black Ops i imagine it the article will be viewed more often, maybe it's time for a Cultural Reference section, i'm not wiki editor so i don't mess with pages, it's trial and error just posting this message.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.192.109 (talk) 19:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture 

message: I have moved this section to a separate page as per the standard for sections of this nature when they grow to large (see MP5 etc.). Some would argue that these lists of trivia to not belong in Wikipedia (see WP:NOT), but for now it is at least in a separate page which not only cleans up this page and makes it more encyclopaedic, but also enables inclusion into List of firearms in films and List of firearms in video games. Deon Steyn 10:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Fiction 

message: I don't know who flagged this page for deletion, but for heaven's sake don't. As I've said before, not everything can or needs to be verified by reference to some previously published work, supposing that the author of the original article is an expert in his or her field and knows his or her subject. As a point of information, however, much of the information in the article can easily be verified by checking in Jane's All the World's Small Arms and Ammunition (or at least, I think that is the title), because that book is where I first found out about this weapon, in the mid-1990s. So DON"T delete it. Theonemacduff (talk) 19:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DON'T DELETE THIS PAGE! 

message: "This allowed the 50-round magazine to carry the maximum amount of propellant [should be rounds] in a minimum of space, since the wasted spaces between rounds that accompanies the use of cylindrical cartridges was eliminated."
The space isn't "eliminated", it's being used! So the only savings would be if the round was physically smaller than the cased ammo. This sentence needs to be dropped in favor of a comparison of the dimensions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.230.117.201 (talk) 07:14, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obviously specious in "Cookoff" 

message: Can this rifle be actually categorized as a bullpup rifle? The magazine is located above the barrel and is parallel to it. GregorB (talk) 14:18, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true, but the lock action is behind trigger, not in front of it. Bullpup design tries to shorten overall length as much as possible, so although the magazine is located unconventionally, I believe G11 fits bullpup "philosophy" rather nicely. Same argument could be used against FN P90 as well. Cheers, Rayshade (talk) 19:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This would mean that even designs with helical magazines might be dubbed "bullpup", as long as the lock action is behind the trigger. And, since the lock action can be either behind or in front of the trigger, all rifles in the world fall into two categories: non-bullpup and bullpup. Correct? GregorB (talk) 21:15, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, in my opinion, yes. Calico would be perhaps a bone of contention, refer to e.g. Calico M950 cut-out in the middle, which displays the action in front of the trigger. Overall length, compact helical magazine etc features suggest a "bullpup"-ish design but I'd tend not to categorize Calico as a bullpup. One could shave off some length by sacrificing magazine capacity and moving action behind trigger while retaining barrel length. Cheers, Rayshade (talk) 19:13, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bullpup]] 

message: I have removed the following section, since "various web sites" is not a valid source (WP:Verifiability). Marasmusine (talk) 08:35, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed unsourced section 

message: Does anyone think it would be a good idea to make a separate page for the 4.73 x 33mm round? The random infobox about the 4.73mm round on the current page makes the page look sloppy, and a separate page could be used to have more in-depth information about the ammo itself. Darkman IV (talk) 09:05, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate Page for 4.73x33mm

message: Is this feature unique to this particular model? If not, what other models have it? I'm asking because a few years back I saw an animation on Youtube of the internal mechanism of various guns in action, and there was this 3-round burst before recoil. I'm now trying to find that animation and which guns have that firing mode. Thanks.  Wildespace (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:59, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Three rounds before recoil is felt

message: Since, there were citation problems and a lot of mystifying going around I went to lengths to add information from real & important (historic) sources. Most of the major sources are in agreement about 95% of the time with differences due to wording or abridged information. Some other details like costs etc. were added from other smaller sources so citation placement may look a bit chaotic. Everything is a unifying summary so not all sources got it all or have all the same information nor did I add every detail. There's a lot more information of political, public inquiry and technical nature I've deemed too excessive to add. You can check them out in the specific sources provided. Also it appears someone might have messed up citing that the High Ignition Temperature Propellant (HITP) was based on hexogen, however, according to the real patent I cited it's based on octogen (Oktogen in German). If it's messed up then it needs to be corrected. Mightyname (talk) 13:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion & Rewrite

message: I have deleted several citations to HKPRO.com. It is not a reliable source for Wikipedia articles because its articles are anonymously posted and there's no discernible editorial review process. See WP:V for general rules, and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Firearms#HKPRO/ hkpro.com for a specific discussion of this source.  Rezin (talk) 22:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  HKPRO 

message: I've seen pictures and videos on the G11 because I think it has an amazing history, but the caseless round is just confusing to me. I've seen a video that showed the solid propellant with a combustible primer on one of the sides, the bullet, the plastic end cap, and the booster mix in copper cup. When I saw the booster mix in copper cup it reminded me of a primer, but then I thought how could the second primer ignite when it is inside the solid propellant? I did research but could not find an answer, so I am wondering if the booster mix in copper cup is really a primer? If it's a primer how does it ignite?
If you want to see the video type: Heckler & Koch G11 Assault Rifle  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcomazza457 (talk • contribs) 16:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  H&K G11 Caseless Ammunition (4.73x33mm) 

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message: https://namu.wiki/w/H%26K%20G11
I did a google image search for this weapon and I found this Korean site that has an extraordinary amount of detail depicting this firearm, especially references in popular culture, but I don't know the language and don't know if this has links to more credible sources.
Nonetheless it could certainly be useful and informative material.
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Going through this in Google Translate, I noticed that the standards of that website is not something that Wikipedia articles should emulate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CorruptSnowflake (talk • contribs) 16:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article detailing this weapon in detail; I don't know Korean though 

message: This gun has attained somewhat memetic status online because of the overly complex nature of its firing mechanism.  A search for "Kraut Space Magic" results in many pages of results specifically about this weapon.  Would it be noteworthy to add a brief "In Popular Culture" section referencing this?  A fairly well known reviewer of old firearms even made a video about the G11 recently, using it's memetic name as the title of his video.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.28.6.18 (talk) 21:25, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kraut Space Magic