Talk:Flag of Western Sahara

message: Reiso, you appear to be pushing to redirect this to Flag of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, despite the lack of consensus for such a notion shown above. Looking over the edit history of this page, this appears to be the typical back-and-forth since its creation. I'm opening a DR thread to get the matter concluded. Nightw 06:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Night w.  I hope you remember that the lack of consensus above was for doing anything to this page at all, which was at the time a redirect to flag of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic.  What is happening here is you are defying the preceding RfC, and I am attempting to preserve the page as it was when it was closed (and also per Wikipedia policy, etc.). ¦ Reisio (talk) 07:13, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring by Reisio 

message: Note to editors, there is currently an active dispute resolution discussion on this article. Thank you. NickCT (talk) 18:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Active Dispute Resolution 

message: Received request to participate, but only just noted. Wished to note my support for the resolution chosen. --collounsbury (talk) 11:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Better late than never! Thanks for weighing in. NickCT (talk) 15:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Late support for resolution 

message: It seems absurd to me that this is a disambiguation page, as the phrase "Flag of Western Sahara" is not ambiguous, it is merely controversial. That makes this page a violation of WP:DABCONCEPT, and I therefore propose the following solution.
#Create a brief section in the Western Sahara article noting the flags that have flown over this territory and incorporating the two links on this page.
#Redirect this title to that section.
Cheers! bd2412 T 16:45, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: After lengthy discussions, the adopted resolution was option 3, which is an article not a disambig. I'll try to write a short article along the lines of Flag of Northern Ireland --Tachfin (talk) 17:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I completely agree with that route also. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've re-written the article and tried to be faithful to the original proposal (hatnote, historical regional flags). The Ifni-Sahara colonial ensign is to be added, couldn't find it on commons. --Tachfin (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed resolution 

message: ... since SADR's flag is described as "commonly referred to as the 'flag of Western Sahara'", which isn't consensual according to the whole discussion above. --Omar-Toons (talk) 08:23, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't read through the discussion above so I don't know whether there were any suitable sources cited there (or elsewhere) but the statement this flag is commonly referred to as the "flag of Western Sahara" is an unsourced and I assume contentious statement. It therefore cannot remain in the article. I think it has to stay out until a source is provided to support the statement per WP:V. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:09, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see you haven't read, and you're assuming. :p There is no source at sky to suggest it is any color but blue, there is no source at wheel to suggest it is anything other than round. The statement is indisputable, and therefore requires no citation whatsoever (if you want to waste time citing the plainly obvious, though, be my guest). ¦ Reisio (talk) 02:52, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

text: It goes back to the basic terminological premise of the dispute. Under the Moroccan POV, there is no Western Sahara, just more provinces of Morocco. Under the Sahrawi view, there is an independent Western Sahara, with all symbols associated with that. Due to this, the Sahrawi flag is often referred to as the flag of the Western Sahara, because that's the only flag of the Western Sahara under any POV. Just google flag of the western sahara and see what pops up. CMD (talk) 12:29, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources All that's required are sources which call this "flag of Western Sahara" then (and several do.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:48, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: More specifically, we would need sources that say it is "commonly referred to" in such a way. Formerip (talk) 17:07, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to "sometimes", rather than "commonly". CMD (talk) 19:30, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes? How many times? By whom? For which occasion? Sorry, but basing on this logic the same is true for the Moroccan flag. --Omar-Toons (talk) 02:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Right If you have sources that refer to the flag of Morocco as the "flag of Western Sahara" then go for it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:30, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are asking us to provide a source that confirms that Morocco considers its flag as legitimate in a territory that he considers as his own? Are you kidding? --Omar-Toons (talk) 11:32, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I'm not You're not understanding. No one calls the flag of the United States the "flag of Texas", just like no one calls the flag of Morocco the "flag of Western Sahara". That flag doesn't represent that political entity. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: YOU are not understanding that you are talking about a political entity called SADR while the neutral term "Western Sahara" refers to a territorial entity. --Omar-Toons (talk) 02:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's three versus one, Omar, go find some more Moroccans and then we can play again. ¦ Reisio (talk) 02:52, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree, WS is (from the Moroccan viewpoint) simply the southern part of Morocco, and the flag of Morocco is no more the flag of southern Morocco than the Flag of China is the Flag of southern China or the flag of the United States is the flag of Texas. Personally I think the existence of this page is silly, WS is disputed we get it, but the only flag of WS is the SADR one. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV template added... 

message: Where's all the information contained in former article Flag of the SADR?. One thing is merge two articles, another different thing is deleting sourced info from one of the articles taking advantage of the merger. Thats simply C-E-N-S-O-R-S-H-I-P. I will add all the deleted content and several more, of course. --HCPUNXKID (talk) 16:21, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No censorship intended, did I miss something when I merged the articles? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:42, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Oh, you mean the construction sheets. They weren't in the other article during the merge. I'm not the one who removed them, that was SiBr4. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger=Censorship???

message: Im still waiting for some type of evidence that the current 1:2 version of the SADR flag is the official one, as no proof is given. So I would told other users that instead deleting sourced content, they would be much credible if they search for evidences that back their allegations.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 16:59, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So you want to keep these construction sheets in the article and label them as "official" just because there's no proof that it's not official? I agree that sources need to be found if the flag should be 1:2 or 2:3, but currently there aren't any official sources that support either version (Ciudad Futura is not an official source, see ). I think that until there are, the displayed flag should be the one mostly used, and almost all  use the 1:2 version rather than CF's 2:3 flag. SiBr4 (talk) 18:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: WP is an encyclopedia, not a popularity competition. Both flags should be included or neither should be included, otherwise is simply POV.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 16:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  But at least it should say that the official ratio is unclear. Right now, the infobox shows one version of the flag saying the ratio is 1:2; but in the article, construction sheets from some random website, labeled "Official graphical representation", show a different flag. SiBr4 (talk) 17:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Official flag

message: I moved it back to no "s" as the standard on Wikipedia-even when there are competing factions, like Syria now, see history of Flag of Libya during 2011, the dispute is noted but the name remains singular. Also, why is there no proper lead paragraph?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: if it's that easy, write it instead of complaining. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 01:48, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a question, wiseguy. AGF much? I was asking if maybe it got deleted or something.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:03, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: someone who just jumps in and reverts w/o discussing doesn't deserve AGF Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 04:33, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Okay, so you're not familiar with WP:AGF, WP:MOS, or WP:BOLD. I'll remember that, asshole--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: and you obviously don't give a damn about NPA. So since you're so good at ignoring ongoing discussions, why don't you just ignore everybody again and write the lead. I'm sure your rulebook will be an excellent guide. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 04:43, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  naming convention per WPMOS 

message: This article is currently under discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Flag_and_Coat_of_arms_of_Western_Sahara_.2F_SADR. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 04:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Noticeboard 

message: Regarding this revert, speaking pearly of the reverted edits addition to the "Flag of Morocco" section, it looks fine to me. That section should describe the national flag of Morocco as it relates to WS (see Flag of Kosovo#Use of the Serbian flag for a model), and that's what the addition does. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 06:20, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: per WP:NPOV, no flag (therefore, no claim) should be given more weight than the other one. --Omar-toons (talk) 06:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And that means you get to war over this? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 20:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are the one warring over this, don't you see that you are reverting a reorganisation of the article, that no information was deleted? --Omar-toons (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Morocco revert 

message: As far as i know, the crescent and star are supposed to be on one side on the flag, the one with the pole on the right of the seer, i.e. the usually reverse (for westerners) side, wich serves as the obverse. the other side then look exactly like the palestinian flag.2A01:E0A:984:A320:1C3C:3BF4:4ED8:62B2 (talk) 01:14, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obverse and reverse 

message: As for the Unification flag section of Flag of Korea, this article should contain a section explaining that there's no official flag for the territory of Western Sahara, as it was the case of the pre-merging article. --Omar-toons (talk) 00:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: Do you understand the difference between Western Sahara and the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic? It doesnt seem so, as you still add the flag of Morocco to the SADR flag page (not the Western Sahara flag page that you deleted, there it could be more reasonable to add the Moroccan flag, in the SADR page is simply non-sense and agit-prop). If this continues, Ill had to add the SADR flag to the Morocco flag page, otherwise it would be a clear case of double standards, logically.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 15:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Flag of Western Sahara wasn't deleted, it is Flag of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic which was merged into this page and is now a redirect to it. Flag of Western Sahara now discusses the flags of both states that claim Western Sahara (Morocco and the SADR). SiBr4 (talk) 19:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Morocco don't claim the whole Western Sahara region; they claim Southern Provinces (more than half however). SADR control about 1/4 of WS region, but of course claim the all of it.GreyShark (dibra) 10:06, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some users dont understand difference between SADR & Western Sahara 

message: I propose to unmerge the article of Flag of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, which is a notable topic and was merged with no proper consensus. I think that the attempt to delete/merge the SADR flag article is in order to deliberately confuse the readers that "Western Sahara" actually exists as a political entity on the map, while in reality it is divided (most of it occupied and annexed by Morocco) and only 1/3 or 1/4 is part of SADR). Western Sahara doesn't have any flag, but SADR does. The best we can do is make "Flag of Western Sahara" a disambig page.GreyShark (dibra) 10:11, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree WP:COMMONNAME dictates that this flag should be named this title. It's also the Polisario flag as well: it represents several discrete things but there is only one flag that is meant to represent Western Sahara and that's this one. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:45, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Unmerging [[Flag of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic]]

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Despite the above consensus on an NPOV approach to the flag issue, this has reverted by stealth to its 2011 state. I will  restore it to consensus NPOV.
collounsbury (talk) 12:37, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: A six-year long gap between consensuses is "stealthy?" Based on the content of the talk page, it's been contested ever since. One year or even six months would be long enough for editors to call for another discussion, six years is more than enough time to challenge it. I agree with the argument that the user Koavf made many years ago: nobody uses the term "Flag of Western Sahara" to refer to any other flag. Morocco doesn't even have a Western Sahara flag other than the flag of Morocco itself, which the users can read about on Flag of Morocco. This is about the entity most commonly referred to as "Western Sahara" whose flag you can find by typing  . Flag of South Ossetia doesn't have to include the flag of Georgia, the user can learn about it at Flag of Georgia. Flag of Somaliland doesn't have to be about the flag of Somalia because users can learn about it by reading Flag of Somalia. Not every single article relating to states with limited recognition must make sure to describe the territorial disputes with the de jure states that claim the same territory, and if anything to claim otherwise is the POV-charged argument. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 00:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stealth Reversion to Pre consensus (Jan 2012) NPOV