Talk:Elizabeth Swann

message: could someone find a picture of her more prominently. this is nice for the movie but i think that it doesn't fit well for the character page. thanks
Sure, I'll do it. Thats my speciality!
Jack Sparra 13:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: picture

message: I don't think that entire synopses are appropreate for a page about a character. It should only have stuff related to the character. Information gathered from sources other than the movie would be useful as well. The synopses should first be trimmed to just information about the character, then should be formed into encyclopedia-like paragraphs. --75.24.192.99 04:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's exactly what I thought. If there is to be a summary of each movie the character's in, then it should just describe that character's role, and not the entire movie. --KittyCollier 14:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie synopsys on a character page? 

message: The trivia entry about Elizabeth drinking rum seems irrelevant.  Whether Keira Knightly approves or disapproves of underage drinking has nothing to do with her character swigging rum (and it's giving the impression there was real rum in the bottle when she was shooting the scene). It was perfectly acceptable for anyone, even children and babies, to drink rum or other spirits during this time period. There was no legal age limit. Also, being as the rum was the only potable liquid on the island, drinking it would be a life-saving measure as well. And although Knightly was only 17 at the time of the first film, her character, Elizabeth Swann, is supposed to be 20 years old, which is over the legal drinking limit in the UK, so she's hardly setting a bad example for minors.  PNW Raven 00:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, and drinking laws, I don't think, were around back in 1723-1726-1728. Gargoyle123 23:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, you only see her actually drinking rum in the deleted scenes.  In the actual movie, you only see her put the bottle to her mouth but she doesn't actually drink any (though it is obvious by the mostly empty bottle that she was drinking).  Emperor001 00:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Under Trivia - Drinking Rum 

message: We could use one of these versions I made. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Homei (talk • contribs) 21:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I made a HD screenshot of her 

message: Mention is made of the compass pointing to Jack in the article, though this should be treated with ambiguity. The screenwriters commentary confirms that it's not as straightforward as Liz fancying Jack; when it apparently points to him onboard the Pearl, the writers are careful to state it's pointing "in his direction", not at Jack himself. On Isla Cruces, it continually points at the Chest, though Jack just so happens to be standing in the same direction - 86.152.204.187 18:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The compass

message: I don't understand why this article (and articles like it) needs an infobox.  Most of the information could easily be conveyed in the article.  I can understand maybe just a photo, her name, and the actor portrayal.  What do others think of this proposal? Ripberger 02:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: I believe that Elizabeth Swann (the article name) should be changed to Elizabeth Turner. Elizabeth Swann Turner would also be appropriate. In Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (I should know, I'm obsessed with this movie), Elizabeth Swann marries Will Turner in the Maelstrom Battle and therefore becomes Elizabeth Turner. Her title is no longer Elizabeth Swann. It is Elizabeth [Swann] Turner. --Molybdenum44 16:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See discussions below.  There is no consensus for such a move. --NeilN 16:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elizabeth Swann?  

message: Shoud the name be moved from Elizabeth Swann to Elizabeth Turner, her name at the end of the third movie since she is now married to Will?  Emperor001 22:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested Move

message: I was checking out some of my favorite actresses and actors page and I went to Kate Winslet's. At the bottom on her list of roles in films it said Pirates of the Caribbean 4 and then it said her role would be Elizabeth Swann and the date was 2009, but next to that it said "in talks", is this true, are the writers thinking about replacing Kiera? Could someone check it out and answer me here, I'm doing research on that. Thanks alot! ManofSTEEL2772 May 30 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.44.94.228 (talk • contribs) 
:Quite frankly, I'm not sure if this is true or not, but there have been rumors.  In the future, however, please remember that Wikipedia is not a forum and refrain from asking these questions unless it pertains to the article.  Thank you.  Arwen Undomiel talk 23:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt it's true, but if it is, then that would be a horrible mistake casting Kate Winslet. The way I see it, only my Keira could play Elizabeth. Flamingtorch372 23:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kate Winslet

message: It mentions that Tia Dalma also tried to kill Jack, but I have found no information on it in any interviews or in the biggest Pirates of the Caribbean archives (which I am creating; bots still searching around). Please find more verifiable information. BlackPearl14 02:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's mentioned in the film, while they're in the Locker. Jack says that "four of [them] tried to kill [him] in the past" and Jack confirms that Tia Dalma is one of the four. Then Tia Dalma says something like, "But don't tell me you didn't enjoy it at the time...?" and Jack agrees that he did enjoy it. We're not told how she tried to kill him, but she did try, it seems, in Jack's eyes anyway. TakaraLioness 02:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, thanks. I just wasn’t sure if there was any info anywhere as to how she tried, maybe by poisoning. We should ask Ted and Terry on Wordplay. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 02:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: In the At World's End Section...

message: :What makes you so sure? Getting married doesn't automatically change a woman's last name. Do you have a source for the character changing her last name? TJ Spyke 05:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the era when Elizabeth and Will were married, a woman had no choice about changing her surname. She basically became the property of her husband, and was legally obligated to take his last name. However, even though Barbossa performed a ceremony, it's unclear just how Will and Liz's marriage will or can be legally recorded.PNW Raven (talk) 21:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I understand she's female, but she is elected the Pirate KING, and not once is she referred to as a queen.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Speyeker (talk • contribs) 19:11, August 26, 2007 (UTC) 
I agree. She's not the Pirate Queen. She's the Pirate King. Flamingtorch372 01:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't she be under the category "Fictional kings"? 

message: One thing I learned from a book called Contrary to Popular Belief is that Elizabeth and Will technically aren't married.  As the books title suggests, it points out common miconceptions such as the fact that sea captains are not allowed to perform marriages unless they are part of the clergy and I highly doubt that Barbossa is a priest/pastor.  So shouldn't it be mentioned in the article that they technically aren't married and that she's still Elizabeth Swann, not Turner?  Emperor001 21:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as the story is concerned, they’re married. If the scriptwriters themselves say otherwise, source their comments and let me know. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 02:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with Black Pearl. They are indeed married. While that would not be the case in "real" life, this is a "fictional" world, and in it, sea captains can legally perform marriage ceremonies.  Wizard One (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Barbossa does not need to be the captain of the Black Pearl or any other ship when he marries them, but he is still a captain, and also a pirate lord, who are only captains. He also calls Elizabeth, "Mrs. Turner" as she is about to leave the ship at the end, and there is no mention of her name after that. As mentioned, this is a "fictional" fantasy world, not a historically factual movie. It is also possible that Elizabeth uses "Captain Swann" as her pirate king name, since she is already known by that, but that is only speculation.PNW Raven (talk) 14:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriage

message: Referring to the character as "Elizabeth Turner/Swann" and as Pirate/Captain in the cutline under the infobox picture is far too much detail for the infobox. Not to mention technically incorrect as the image comes from Curse of the Black Pearl in which the character is simply Elizabeth Swann, teenager. 23skidoo (talk) 23:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. The image only serves as a visual asset to an article. The infobox and article do not revolve around the image. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 17:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: This may be just a massive coincidence, but am I the only one who sees a lot of similarities between Elizabeth Swann and Anne Bonny? Wealthy upbringing, set to marry someone else, falls in love with a pirate and becomes one, supposedly quite attractive yet tough as hell. There are noted differences, however Hollywood has cited history with far fewer connections than this case. Even if there was no intentional analagous on the part of the writers, I find it very curious and worth looking into. -- HurricaneERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 07:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose that's quite correct. Perhaps I could look in to that, but it wouldn't belong here...mainly because it isn't sourced or cited anywhere. The AdventuressBlackPearl14 15:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible historical connection 

message: It seems that this article has been sufficiently revised that it no longer qualifies as being "in-universe." How does that designation get removed from the top of the page?Wizard One (talk) 17:06, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still "In-Universe"? 

message: Someone keeps removing the text I write that Elizabeth is angry and upset after she learns that Will made the secret pact with Sao Feng. The point in the last two movies is that it remains doubtful until the end whether or not these two can overcome their differences and be together. At first, Will mistakenly believes that Elizabeth loves Jack, then he's hurt that Elizabeth never confided in him that she caused Jack's death. In the flip scenario, it is Elizabeth who feels betrayed over Will's secret bargain with Sao Feng, violating her trust and putting the crew in danger; it causes her to become even more estranged from him. Elizabeth was also conflicted over her feelings for Jack Sparrow and also James Norrington, possibly recognizing an unseen side to his character after he helps her escape. It is not until the movie's climax that the audience learns if Elizabeth and Will are still in love (although they are again torn apart).  The purpose of the character page is to look at all facets of that person's personality, including their motives, influences, qualities, flaws, and so on. It is disingenuous to gloss over Will and Elizabeth's relationship and present it as being untroubled throughout when, in fact, it is stressed, complicated, and in danger of permanently falling apart. Elizabeth only gradually realizes what motivated Will's actions, just as Will only learned later what caused Elizabeth's guilt and despair. Even then, their feelings remain unresolved until the final battle scene when Will proposes and Elizabeth realizes she truly loves Will. This is actually a typical (and rather trite and overused) plot device seen in many movies and TV shows (i.e. the Ross and Rachel storyline in "Friends"). 
If anyone disagrees with that analysis, then state your case rather than annonymously removing my edits w/o any reason or explanation.  PNW Raven (talk) 12:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can see who it is by checking the page's history, or, if you have the page on your watchlist, you can check it there. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 03:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did check the history log. It is an annonymous editor (only an ISP address). By continually refusing to explain or defend his/her edits, it has become deliberate vandalism. It is clear from watching this scene that Elizabeth is very angry when she learns of Will's deception. She is glaring at him the entire time; that is NOT being supportive. She agrees to go with Sao Feng to get them out of the mess Will's alliance with him has caused. I cannot understand why this annonymous editor continues to have a problem with that. PNW Raven (talk) 11:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mm. Did you try talking to them by leaving a message on the IP's talk page? Perhaps you can talk to him/her, and point out that the film is our primary source ;) I'm sure it'll work out. Let me know if you need help with this problem. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 02:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Update: I've noticed people giving him/her vandalism warnings. After a certain level of these warnings, there will be a discussion on this person by the administrators and those involved, and based on what they think (on the level of what this person does), he or she will probably be blocked. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 02:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I referred this person to the Discussion page to give him/her an opportunity to see my arguments and to have a chance to explain their reasoning for the edits. Obviously he/she declined. PNW Raven (talk) 17:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to give them a vandalism tag. What you gave was a different message ;) Don't worry, I'll do the job for you. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 02:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay; I'd talk to User:Alientraveller about this, he's pretty fast in action and can get the appropriate administrator on task. I'm not sure which admin we used last time, so that's why ;) BlackPearl14[talkies!•contribs!] 02:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. It's definitely time for an administrator to step in again and take stronger action on this. It's getting rather ridiculous.PNW Raven (talk) 11:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

text: It isn't fan interpretation because (1) it is in the script, (2) the screenwriters themselves have spoken about it in official sources, and (3) that's what's been made official by Disney. Stop arguing and making your own reverts to fit your own views. Thanks. BlackPearl14[talkies!•contribs!] 02:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry, this isn't a forum... The Joker's Woman[BlackPearl14•contribs!] 18:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Will and Elizabeth's relationship 

message: Everything in it after the first paragraph is just detailing the clothes she's worn, and it doesn't seem to be significant (e.g. worn for a long time, tied to a personality change, etc.). Wikipedian192 (talk) 03:43, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Appearance" section seems useless 

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