Talk:Southern Pacific Transportation Company

message: Under 'Famous Accidents,' the first sentence was.  "Anarchists were blamed for..."  I've changed it to "Someone blamed anarchists for..." and suggested that a citation is needed.  The claim is not elaborated upon, there is no explanation of which anarchists might have done it, or why.  A horrific act of terrorism IS elaborated on.  I feel it is unfair to to hold anarchists responsible for an incident with no proof, nor do I think it is sufficient to understand the aggressors as "anarchists."  A lot of anarchists are pacifists and/or employ nonviolent action.  There's not a lot of agreement in the movement over what anarchism is: is it about communism?  Is it about freedom from violence?  Is it about getting rid of industrial civilisation?  None of these anarchisms are compatible, and most aren't compatible with this kind of terrorism.
If the "somebody" who blamed the anarchists was the original author of the line, it should obviously be removed.  But maybe somebody else did blame the anarchists for the incident.  If the New York Times, the FBI, or the President who blamed anarchists for the derailment, it's worth knowing that they did.  But perhaps that wouldn't belong as a topic sentence.
usevalue  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.240.252 (talk) 04:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: anarchists and the passive voice

message: Someone wiped out most of the Locomotive Paint and Appearace section as well as Passenger Service.
Insomniac186 7:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: How can it have been 52 838 km long? That's further than the distance around the equator. Golfcam 13:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total length of track 

message: The Diebert/Strapac book that I've been using to update various SP steam locomotive articles (such as Southern Pacific 2472) lists about three times as many steam locomotives in preservation than are listed here.  The book also lists several T&NO locomotives in preservation.  As it would then be quite long after adding the information from the book, we should seriously consider splitting the section into its own article (perhaps at List of preserved Southern Pacific Railroad rolling stock so we can also include unpowered passenger and freight cars too).
Also, do we know which of the preserved equipment is listed on the National Register of Historic Places (I know 1673 is, but what about the others)?
Slambo (Speak) 16:50, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea regarding a separate article. Here's a link to the NATIONAL REGISTER INFORMATION SYSTEM that seems to produce the best search results; I ran through a dozen or so typing in the state two-letter abbreviation and the word "locomotive" in the name category and only came across SP 1673 in Arizona (but did come up with a few for other railroads elsewhere). FYI.--Lordkinbote 02:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hearing no objections, I did the split last night and expanded with more info from Diebert/Strapac.  There are still a bunch of T&NO locomotives to add to the list along with the unpowered and maintenance of way rolling stock preserved across the continent.  Searching around the NRHP list, I spotted several SP depots, but very few items of SP rolling stock.  Slambo (Speak) 17:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preservation section thoughts 

message: I think that, similar to the passenger trains section, there should be some mention of the uniqueness of the Espee's freight operations.  Amongst the things we shoud mention:
1).  The Pacific Fruit Express operation
2).  SP's Overnite LCL freight service
3).  The sugar beet trains in California
4).  SP's pioneering Container train intermodal service and the agreement with Sea-Land corporation
5).  SP's extensive use of bay window cabooses
Any other thoughts on this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PlanesTranesNCars (talk • contribs) 06:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freight Operatations thoughts? 

message: This page says this for the Presidents:
# Timothy Guy Phelps (1865-1868)
# Leland Stanford (1868-1890)
# Collis P. Huntington (1890-1900)
However, the Leland Stanford page says he was president from 1885-1890, and it has a cite. 64.95.27.5 14:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll have to recheck my paper references; but I thought Phelps' term was listed on the San Mateo website linked from his bio page.  Southern Pacific existed before the Big Four purchased it, Phelps organized the railroad and was one of the first to donate land to the railroad.  Slambo (Speak) 15:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to Leon Metz's non-fiction book about Dallas Stoudenmire, Charles Crocker was president in 1881; Crocker's page confirms that he was president at some time, so I used to him till in the gap between the end of Phelps's term and where every other wikipage says that Stanford's term began (1885). 64.95.27.5 19:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistencies 

message: Listed amongst the California Predecessor railroads is the Western Pacific. This company existed from 1862 to 1868 and had no relationship to the later company of the same name. What is the convention for identifying such a company?  I had listed it as "Western Pacific Railroad (first)," but that did not last more than a day before it was edited to improperly link to the later WPRR of the 20th Century. --Rrrarch 01:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Western Pacific 

message: I am shocked there is no mention of SPRINT!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.162.30 (talk) 01:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPRINT 

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replies: text: Iain Bell (talk) 15:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:OP-15947.jpg

message: Mention is made of the "Bloody Nose" scheme being black; surely it's grey?
I would have expected this to have been picked up long before now.Ragnartheviking (talk) 15:31, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paint schemes 

message: maybe of interest, but i don't know which railroad in the vicinity of LA this is/was: archive.org Maximilian (talk) 13:13, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  a video clip from 1946 

message: Uploaded an old advertisement that mentions this railroad. Thought it might be useful to the article. – JBarta (talk) 19:29, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertisement 

message: Hi, I'm trying to add Southern Pacific's former services to pages like Union Station (Los Angeles) but I can't figure out how to create and add the templates. Can anyone help me with this? ThanksMonopoly31121993 (talk) 10:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding Former Services to Station Pages

message: I am not the one to write it as I am stumbling around trying to research some thing related. BUT here is a citation that suggests that there is in fact some history missing from the article:
"The year was 1910, and the Southern Pacific Railroad had a lock on California's political institutions. Disgusted with graft and corruption, a little-known San Francisco prosecutor rode a wave of public discontent into the governor's office, promising to release the state from the hold of powerful companies and their political allies."
Recall Idea Got Its Start in L.A. in 1898
July 13, 2003|Matea Gold | Times Staff Writer
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/13/local/me-history13
And yes yes I realize that I could also add this. Don't know enough, don't have time to learn more right now. But. Just saying. Elinruby (talk) 05:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  California History section needed 

message: Railroad articles such as Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway are part of WikiProjects that center on states (the ones the railroad served), but the SP article isn't part of the ones outside of California. TheGGoose (talk) 15:56, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProjects 

message: I wonder why the railroad is said to end in 1998 by category where most often elsewhere it says 1996. TheGGoose (talk) 17:17, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disestablishment year 

message: A hint at how much is in "Ocean Unit of Lines that Span Continent" in Southern Pacific Bulletin, Volume 7. The line owned a number of ships, some covered in articles here. Palmeira (talk) 00:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article ignores maritime role and history. 

message: What's with that map?  Strange spelling "MEXIKO" with a backwards "K". Casey (talk) 18:12, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexiko? 

message: My museum is preserving and working on Restorations on several Southern Pacific locomotives because the line we are in preservation of used to be the San Diego and Arizona Railway and later the Southern Pacific. We currently are working on restoration of Southern Pacific 3709 a low nose gp9. Southern Pacific 4004 is being preserved and awaiting restoration. It is a RS 32 one of the few remaining. Steam locomotive 2353 have been restored and was operating up to 2005 and is now preserved in the show building. I forgot the wheel arrangement but this locomotive was also used in the filming of Pearl Harbor. Southern Pacific 5119, a 70-ton switcher is restored and operating although it is not restored to its Southern Pacific colors yet. 172.58.19.50 (talk) 20:03, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing preserved locomotives