Template talk:18CBritChildrensLiterature

message: Hi Awadewit, Well, I changed the template to the modular format, and it looks much better than its unsightly multicolored banner-like predecessor.  I agree with you that Wollstonecraft shouldn't be included in the list of children's authors.  As for "Original Stories," I think it should be included for the following reasons:
*The book is still in print.  Here is the late 20th century history from LOC:
:*Main Title: The history of little Jack / by Thomas Day ; with a pref. for the Garland ed. by Isaac Kramnick. Original stories from real life / by Mary Wollstonecraft ; with 6 engravings by William Blake from the 2d ed. ; with a pref. for the Garland ed. by Miriam Brody Kramnick. Published/Created:     New York : Garland Pub., 1977. Description:     310 p. in various pagings : ill. ; 16 cm. 
:*Wollstonecraft, Mary, 1759-1797. Original stories from real life Main Title: Mary Wollstonecraft’s Original stories / with five ill. by William Blake ; with an introd. by E. V. Lucas. Published/Created:     Norwood, Pa. : Norwood Editions, 1977. Description:     xxiv, 88 p., [4] leaves of plates : ill. ; 23 cm. 
:*Original stories from real life / Mary Wollstonecraft. Published/Created:     Oxford [England] ; New York : Woodstock Books, 1990. Description:     viii, 177 p. : ill. ; 19 cm.  :
:*Original stories from real life,/ Mary Wollstonecraft. Published/Created:     Washington, D.C. : Woodstock Books, 2001. Description:     viii, 177 p. : ill. ; 19 cm.  (hbk : alk. paper)
::This book has been republished for scholars and not for children (the Garland facsimiles are a good example of this). You would not find these texts in the children's section of a bookstore. Usually when people use the phrase "still in print" they also mean that the original intended audience is still reading the book. That is not the case here.Awadewit 09:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a very specialized course. If you check syllabi for more introductory courses on the history of children's literature, you will generally not find Wollstonecraft. I tend to feel that non-specialist courses are more equivalent to wikipedia's stated goals. Awadewit 09:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: PS It is also included in: From Instruction to Delight: An Anthology of Children's Literature to 1850 edited by Patricia Demmers, Oxford University Press, 2003.  See Table of Contents.  Sanjay Tiwari 22:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note the "now unknown to the bookstalls" part of the review. Also, Wollstonecraft is often included in histories of children's literature to legitimate the field. She is a more respected writer than some of the other eighteenth-century writers of children's literature and thus including her, even though she was not that important in the history of children's literature per se, legitimates one's work. Wollstonecraft may have had fascinating things to say in Original Stories but the text has not yet been established as a critical part of the children's literature timeline. Its interest at this juncture mainly lies in its author. See Jackson's Engines of Instruction and Darton's Children's Books in England.Awadewit 09:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I understand what you are saying.  I think part of the problem might be that you view the template as a "timeline," which is understandable, since in its first incarnation it certainly gave the appearance of a timeline.  In light of what you say above, I agree that the book doesn't belong in a timeline.  However, I think of the template (especially in its new incarnation) as a more inclusive list of notables (which stresses diversity).  I think Original Stories would (or perhaps, should) belong to that list.  However, I won't argue over it.  If you don't think it belongs, please take it off.  Thanks for writing.  Sanjay Tiwari 13:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: To include or not to include

message: Might we consider including a publishers category? For 18c children's literature, publishers are quite important since oftentimes we do not know authors' names and since it was often publishers who recruited "hacks" to write children's literature. I am thinking especially of John Newbery, Elizabeth Newbery, John Marshall and John Harris here. By the way, when are we going to start filling in the template? I know that there used to be people and texts in it, but then they disappeared. Awadewit 13:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Publishers