Talk:Anti-Polish sentiment/Archive 3

message: That's clearly the most bias and one-sided article I ever saw in Wikipedia. 
In which century are your guys living?  But if you really think this German bashing page is necessary, then why not creating a detailed article about Polish pogroms on Jews?  Especially the ones that happened after 1945? Or about the Polish aggression against Czechoslovakia in 1939?
It’s like you want to continue with propaganda and nationalism like nothing has changed since 1945. Grow up and get a life.
Alex
I had always liked Frederick the Great's "l'audace, l'audace, tojours l'audace!"  I'm shocked that this otherwise liberal and forward-thinking gentleman treated Poles that badly - and it sounds like it was some kind of personal vendetta, not just the business of acquiring the Silesian coal mines.  I'll never say "l'audace etc." again -- and it was one of my favorite quotes!  Apologies for posting it on Halibutt's userpage - I honestly didn't know at the time!  --Jpbrenna 03:42, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Say it ain't so... 

message: Please, look through latest discussions and try to separate facts from your own opinions and emotions. Then come again, bring the sentences from the article you object to and source your arguments. This article isn’t about all people of certain nationalities but about particular problems. If you say the problems don’t exist then give us sources. I respect your private opinions and experiences but it’s too little to change the article. Also please, it’s really not a place to discuss private opinions of one editors about other editors. If you are interested in improving the article stay here, if you want to drag your private quarrels then go to user pages. 
To address some arguments which were mentioned above:
#There were cases in Germany, where courts forbade Polish-speaking parents speak Polish to their children. However, it refers only to situation of divorced parents, where one parent is German and the other is Polish. I added the word “divorced” to the article. If you want to additionally edit it to make the case clearer, please, do so.
#You forgot Poland, if we create the article Prejudices about Poles we can link it there instead of here, I hope it dissolves the problem.
#Pope Benedict XVI (not XIV) has been actually very well received in Poland, (much better than in Germany) and had been also well known as Cardinal Ratzinger. Since his various books were long time ago translated into Polish and popular among students of Theology he was cheered by many Poles before the election. I haven’t seen even one unfavourable article in Polish media about him. Now many Poles await his pilgrim to Poland, so I don’t think we can compare attitudes to the two popes in our countries. Of course Poland is a Catholic country and it may be the main reason, but no one questioned the choice because of his being German or a German army soldier during WWII.
#I removed the sentence “Poland is accused of having caused World War II”. It was written by an anon, not sourced and biased.
#I too have German friends and I don’t think they are anti-Polinists, but I also don’t remember any anti-Semitic incidents in Poland in 1980s and yet the article about Anti-Semitism says otherwise, so I guess our personal experience is not enough.
#To deal with growing anti-Polish attitude in Germany our governments organized Polish-German year in both countries. Maybe we should mention it here to make the article more balanced? --SylwiaS 21:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 1 I know there were, I haven't removed it from the article. I referred here only to the situation parent-children, because many people above said they were speaking Polish at home. So it seems the text in the article wasn't sufficiently showing, to what cases it referred. 2 I have no problem with mentioning in the article how and who accuses Poland, but the sentence I removed was too general and suggested that e.g. German government made the accusations or students were taught at schools that it was so etc. --SylwiaS 00:48, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Ok, I put to the article the case you sourced. --SylwiaS 01:31, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  To everyone 

message: This whole article is rather disorganized, and I tried to introduce some order.  I moved some things around so that they would be placed under the correct heading, but made no other changes except for the removal of this:
:German constitution grants German citizenship to Polish-born persons if their ancestors were Germans citizens living on German territory as of 1937.  Germany is far from the only European country to do something like this (although it may not be in their constitutions).  Austria has done it in the past, Greece has done it for Smyrniote Greeks, the United Kingdom has taken in persons of English, Scottish etc. descent from its former colonies after independence - just about any country that has received expellees has done it.  Since no one has explained how this is anti-Polish, I have removed it for now.  --Jpbrenna 22:30, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New subsections to Germany section