Talk:Jüri Uluots

message: It has come to my attention that according to the theory of Petri Krohn's existence, a former entity called Petri_Krohn has started to blatantly push pet WP:POV legal theories into this article without even bothering to present as pretext the theory of Petri Krohn's notability.  I have reverted. Digwuren 22:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Petri_Krohn|Petri_Krohn]]'s weird manipulations 

message: There was  tag on the article, with link "see relevant discussion on talk page". Since there is nothing here, I removed it. Please don't reinstate it unless you have at least some talk here, backed up with sources. Word-mangling and "I don't like it" are not reason for tagging the article. DLX 03:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TotallyDisputed 

message: Regarding Jüri Uluots, I've known his brother Oskar Uluots personally. I was just a kid, he lived in the neighborhood at the countryside where I spent the summers. All those stories he had about the Estonian Army and how big mistake it was not to resist the Soviet invasion in 1940.  He was one of the few Estonian officers, if I'm not mistaken, one of the 2 that returned alive to Estonia in the 50-s, that were arrested and deported to Siberia in 1940 by the soviets. One more chapter from the history of Estonia I think that is not covered yet in Wikipedia, the story of the Estonian officers arrested and deported after the Soviet occupation . Found a short coverage on the Internet in Estonian in case anybody has a chance to use ithttp://www.kool.ee/?6179--Termer 10:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Oskar Uluots

message: Should Vares be listed as the successor of Jüri Uluots here?  This may be seen by some as a contradiction, as though with Uluots the Prime Ministership forked, and may thus be confusing.
Perhaps, adding a clarifying comment would help. Digwuren 08:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good point Digwure, just that the thing is, even though Vares-Barbarus was chosen by the Soviet Andrei Ždanov to be a prime minister of Estonia, not by the elected Estonian Parliament, he still originally took the position of the prime minister of the Republic of Estonia. But basically you're right on, he was a quisling of Estonia.--Termer 06:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  He was a quisling in the sense that he was a local who approved (well, initially) the Soviets' ideas.  Then again, he didn't have independent power; all of his prime ministerial power flowed from the Red Army. Digwuren 11:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fixed the boxes, hope it makes more sense now. What was that "government is in Tallinn" all about anyway...didn't make much sense.--Termer 08:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johannes Vares 

message: As I have explained above the article is POV and biased. I have removed some of the worst parts regarding the rhetoric about puppet regimes, but still the article is an attempt to stress the POV of legal continuity of the prewar Estonian State in stead of being a biography. Otto (talk) 21:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: no reasonable explanations have been given to your removal of the sourced facts from the article. In case you think there are POV issues in the article, please address it by adding alternative viewpoints pr. WP:YESPOV.  The elimination of article content cannot be justified  on the grounds that it is "POV" in your opinion. Thanks!--Termer (talk) 03:12, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Termer, as I explained above and earlier in the paragraph "POV", this is a biography. This is not a place for views about Estonia while it was a Soviet republic. You are not showing good faith in asking for an alternative viewpoint I have given already on this talk page. In stead of discussing the content you reacted with hate speech. By putting words in my mouth as you did 23 June 2007 you loose your credibility. You insist on putting your POV about the status of Estonia in the article and accuse editors who present another view on the talk page of "hate of a country". That is a ridiculous and insulting accusation. You have been put 8 January 2008 on formal notice by administrator Thatcher based on WP:DIGWUREN. Now you again ignore my arguments and start revert warring. Otto (talk) 07:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never put "my POV" into any article but always have edited wikipedia according to reliable secondary sources. Please do the same and there is not going to be any problems. For my personal comments in 2007 I apologize, didn't know the rules of wikipedia back then. Hope you can catch up with this as well and avoid commenting on contributors like you just did. and of course please remember not to remove sourced material from wikipedia pr WP:YESPOV only because you consider something to be POV. Thanks!--Termer (talk) 05:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased article 

message: The subject of this article does not belong to that list, as collaborationism is treason of cooperation with enemy forces. Germany and Estonia were not enemies at the time. Estonia stayed neutral throughout the war, as declared over the radio by the Estonian Government in Exile on 18 September 1944. A neutral country has no enemies, wherefore there can be no cooperation with enemy forces. --
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This is your opinion, disagreed. He cooperated with Nazis. All civilized world condemns this regardless motives. Timurite (talk) 16:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll have to source your opinion with relevant analysis. Let me point out that theConclusions of the Estonian International Commission for the Investigation of Crimes Against Humanity. Phase II - The German Occupation of Estonia, 1941 - 1944, which are the only work by an international commission to identify Nazi criminals in Estonia, does not condemn Uluots and therefore disagrees with your opinion. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 16:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: All civilized world? Please source your claims. Otherwise, stop pushing extreme POVs.--Vihelik (talk) 14:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Uluots has been often labeled as a Nazi collaborator by his political opponents. Wikipedia however is not a place for political battlegrounds.--Termer (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nazi collaborators category