Talk:Hindu nationalism

message: Do not use more than five articles with the main template. --Stbalbach 17:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: @Stbalbach The history of the page says @Rama's Arrow has added this comment, along with the section above titled "Hindutva". Could you confirm? Special:PermaLink/31861555 — DaxServer (talk to me) 07:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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message: Should we restore the third para of long-standing lead from Special:PermaLink/1041431641 ? — DaxServer (talk to me) 08:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure when and why that was removed, but it seems an entirely appropriate inclusion. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restore lead 

message: “Trads” (short for traditionalists) are a subset of Hindu nationalists who have borrowed memes and imagery from the Western alt-right, and who consider mainstream Hindu nationalist organizations such as the BJP to be too moderate and accommodating to non-Hindus. They have been described as an explicitly fascist subculture.  The creators of the controversial Bulli Bai and Sulli Deals apps identified themselves as trads.
Special:Diff/1102484132 This was removed by Aman.kumar.goel with edit summary "Beyond irrelevant". As the source title says, this is about Hindu nationalists. As the page title says, this is relevant. where else are we going to cover this if not here? Venkat TL (talk) 09:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nowhere. These online trolls who got one-off coverage (WP:NOTNEWS) never actually defined this movement. If scholarly sources (not throw-away news links) started to consider them to be vital part of Hindu nationalism then we can rethink. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 02:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trads 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: India in Global Studies

message: This page does not currently have a proper first sentence that says what the subject is, per MOS:FIRST. The current first sentence is vague in the extreme, using the convoluted turn of phrase  - so is it or isn't it? The statement leaves one none-the-wiser. What it needs to say is "Hindu nationalism is ... INSERT DEFINTION". Given the pushback against defining it in sociological terms, as religious nationalism, I would like to hear what editors think it should be defined as. At the risk of being too bold, I would suggest that the nationalism part is a given - leading one to ask, so, what type of nationalism? That is the question I put to the jury. For example, this source says:  Seems to have pros and cons, some good, some bad. Directly equating the subject and Hindutva seems problematic, but "ethno-religious and nationalist" sounds uncannily like religious nationalism, but then again, this is a less-than-stellar open access journal. Maybe we can do better. And that is precisely what the floor is open to now. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:43, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the current opening sentence isn't fit for purpose. However, we can't equate Hindutva and Hindu nationalism: there are plenty of sources discussing Hindu nationalism as a broader phenomenon from the 1800s onward. Hindutva is of course the predominant form that exists today. I haven't the bandwidth to draft anything presently, but it's safe to assume it needs to describe it as a political ideology linking Hinduism to nationalistic struggle. I welcome any effort in this respect. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:23, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

text: This really ought to be a hotter topic for this article. It is never acceptable to refer to a thing as if it isn't "a thing" in itself but rather "refers to a thing", even worse when it is "a thing that is referred to as [some other thing]". WP Ludicer (talk) 07:41, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Hindu nationalism is ...

message: I see that this part on the lead has been restored on the basis that Tilak was a Hindu nationalist.
I would like to know how sources support the information. Bal Gangadhar Tilak cannot be described as a Hindu nationalist because he was no influence on Hindutva ideology which is the predominant form of Hindu nationalism today as discussed above. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 17:05, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Tilak's own page seems to refer more to Indian nationalism instead. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

text: No, I restored it on the grounds that it is long-standing content. Putting a page needed tag is the right thing to do. The Hindu nationalism of INC is discussed on dozens of sources including Jaffrelot. Some scholars even tried to coin new terms for it such as "Hindu traditionalism", which was said to be real Hindu nationalism minus xenophobia. I don't have the time to wade into it right now. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also read that source and it does not say it anywhere that Congress engaged in Hindu nationalism. Instead it attempts to find parallels between what BJP is doing and what Congress was doing during Hindu nationalism. Arun R. Swamy summarizes views of Jaffrelot from this book as: "" None of these words are supportive of the disputed content. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 02:36, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independence movement