Talk:Koshchei

message: In Russian there's an abstract concept and pronounced as koschunstvo, which means to do something really evil.
 In Ukrainian as a joke I heard a translation of the Russsian Koschei Bessmertniy as Chahlik Nevmiruschiy. Chahliy means extremely old.
the Bujan island is located in the kingdom of the glorious Sultan (by A. S. Pushkin)--Grigoryev 04:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Koshei is considered extremely wealthy, the quote refers to this. The translation however does not exactly convey the meaning. Main nuance is greediness of Koschei.--46.109.54.96 (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: To comply with WP:RUS, I propose moving this article to "Koshchey". Esn 11:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this would fall under the "Use conventional names" guideline.  "Koschei" would appear to be a convention based on 44,800 Google hits as opposed to under 1000 for "Koshchey". Gr8white 19:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: Extremly useful would be a general pronounciation information, something like X-SAMPA or the like—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.168.20.147 (talk) 17:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no 't'-sound anywhere in the sound that 'щ' represents. "Shch" is just an unfortunate transliteration. It's basically pronounced as the part of the 'ch' in "sandwich" after the t-sound. I can't speak for the Ukrainian or Polish pronunciation, but the Russian pronunciation would be something like [Kaɕːj'ej] in IPA. The closest you can get in plain English would be "Kash-yey" (the stress is on the 'е', so the 'о' is pronounced like an 'а'). Kolbasz (talk) 23:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Helpful. 98.2.208.255 (talk) 19:30, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

text: The last sentence is not very good.- Altenmann >talk 03:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Phonetics

message: Why is the Suicide Squad reference moved? It was a title published by DC comics like Sandman.
:Please provide a reference. `'mikka 01:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suicide Squad

message: :All this is strongly related to German myths of liches, dead sorcerors' ghosts which need to keep their phylacteries safe; these items hold their souls bound to real world, and cannot be destroyed other than through shattering the specified item. Due to this, some translators use koshchey to translate word lich.
Do liches actually exist in German folklore? The article lich seems to indicate otherwise (the word "lich" is indeed cognate with German leich - "corpse" - but use of "lich" to refer to a specific kind of undead is modern [originally it simply meant "body", "corpse"] ). On the other hand, monsters or sorcerers whose life is bound to some kind of item do appear in a number of fairy tales and myths; TV Tropes lists multiple examples. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 18:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: German legends?

message: In Cabell's "Jurgen: A Comedy of Justice," Jürgen praises the Devil, not Koschei. Koschei rewards Jürgen for being the first person ever to speak well of the Devil, who is Koschei's creation like everything else.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.215.189 (talk) 22:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jürgen note 

message: The article is very inaccurate about this character of Russian folklore and it's story. --92.202.175.137 (talk) 07:13, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you suggest we do about it? —Tamfang (talk) 06:33, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate 

message: It seems to me obvious that the legend of Koschei the Immortal was the inspiration for Horcruxes in the universe of J. K. Rowling. Shouldn't we mention it?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceplm (talk • contribs) 11:07, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horcruxes 

message: Koschei is also said to be the true name of The Master in BBC's Doctor Who, as that is the name the third Doctor uses to refer to the Master when he comes to save him in the Death Zone on Gallifrey.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:3101:2A01:1DF0:432D:31B2:A6C7 (talk) 16:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Who 

message: I think the description that Koschei hides his soul and then merely offandedly mentioning that it is usually called "death" is a very weird framing of it. Specifically, the current text reads "He hides his soul inside nested objects to protect it. For example, the soul (or in the tales, it is usually called "death") may be hidden[...]". Now, just as this says in a roundabout way, usually the tales say Koschei hides his death. I am not aware of the soul being prominently featured in the stories in this context, so I don't see why it is empathised to much in the summary. I suggest we reword the summary to remove mention of the soul in this way, or at least make the soul mentioned offhandedly in the brackets: if the tales usually say Koschchei hides his death, I do not see why the summary shouldn't put it that way, too.
I am not sure where the idea of hiding his soul came from in the first place? In the tellings I am familiar with, it is always his death that's hidden, in a fairy tale kind of literalism: since his death is hidden, he can't die until his death delivered to him, usually by the hero who goes and takes the needle out of the egg and puts it on an arrow or whatever. It strikes me as some sort of Western reading or some other second-hand reinterpretation. I don't know if it deserves to be dropped entirely from the article, but regardless I think it shouldn't be the primary framing in the summary.
46.208.77.174 (talk) 02:26, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hides his soul" 

message: In the Chechen fairy tale "Golden Leaves" there is a negative character, a three-headed eagle, who kidnaps girls, as well as golden leaves from a copper tree. To kill this eagle, you must first kill three chicks with its soul, which are in the duck, and the duck is in the hare, and the hare is inside the ram, which is located seven mountains away and can eat hay mown by sixty-three mowers
В чеченской сказке «Золотые листья» есть отрицательный персонаж трёхголовый орёл, который похищает девушек, а также золотые листья с медного дерева. Чтобы убить этого орла, надо сначала убить трёх птенцов с его душой, которые находятся в утке, а утка в зайце, а заяц внутри барана, который находится за семью горами и может съесть сено, скошенное шестьюдесятью тремя косарями.
In folklore, he is an evil sorcerer and necromancer, whose death is "hidden" in several magical animals and objects embedded in each other: "There is an island on the sea on the ocean, there is an oak tree on that island, a chest is buried under an oak tree, a hare is in the chest, a duck is in the hare, an egg is in the duck, a needle is in the egg, — Koshchei's death"
В фольклоре — злой чародей и некромант, смерть которого «спрятана» в нескольких, вложенных друг в друга, волшебных животных и предметах: «На море на океане есть остров, на том острове дуб стоит, под дубом сундук зарыт, в сундуке — заяц, в зайце — утка, в утке — яйцо, в яйце — игла, — смерть Кощея».
Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin visited the Caucasus twice. For the first time — in 1820, he spent about two months in the Caucasian Mineral Waters. And the next time — after 9 years — contrary to the ban of the authorities, he made a long journey through Stavropol, Mineralnye Vody, Georgia, to the Turkish Arzrum and back. The poet's meetings with the Caucasus turned out to be very fruitful — they resulted in lyrics, poems, prose and even drawings.
Pushkin based his works on the mythology of different peoples. Mifologistica (talk) 01:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: References, please. - Altenmann >talk 07:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  It looks like a Chechen fairy tale from "Golden Leaves" 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 23:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Koschei →  – It appears to be correct translit from ru. - Altenmann >talk 22:28, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 11 November 2023