Talk:Media Matters for America

message: Efforts to get article to B-class have included addressing: NPOV, OR, SYNTH, Undue Weight, excessive quotations, Non-notable sources, Non-notable content, BLP, copyediting to get more precise and concise text and section titles, removing redundancies, organizing more clearly, generally copyediting for consistency + clarity, fixing incomplete or inaccurate citations, and citation formatting with most of the issues addressed and the rest flagged. Superb Owl (talk) 01:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This kind of work is difficult, it's a long article with many sources, plus it is not easy to neutrally describe an organization that has a bias! -- GreenC 02:18, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  February 2024 clean-up summary 

message: At the fore of this article is MMFA's funding sources. Is this an attempt to prejudice the reader? Other Wikipedia articles about New Media Alternative conservative outlets don't even have funding sections (the Daily Wire for example.) 2600:8801:BE28:A800:8B7:2C3E:74C8:F3A9 (talk) 18:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I'm not a fan of funding sources. They are invariably outdated, incomplete and misleading. Typically used to sway readers.  If the organization publishes a list of funders, link to that, but otherwise leave it alone. Don't cite partial lists, unofficial lists, etc.. that's where the problems are. -- GreenC 23:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is MMFA Funding Elevated to the Fore ? 

message: Two points, (1) the title "Antisemitism on X (formerly Twitter)" is not neutral, that is, that there is or was "antisemitism" on X, was an accusation attributed to Median Maters, and since that accusation is currently in dispute before the court, it would be more neutral to use a title that is more factual, for example, "Median Matters accuses X of antisemitism" (2) The links in this section are outdated and none are from 2024. For example, see the following for more recent contenthttps://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/falls-short-of-demonstrating-good-cause-federal-judge-hands-elon-musk-and-x-a-discovery-win-in-thermonuclear-lawsuit-against-media-matters/.
:Well, the top-level section is called "Initiatives", this sub-section identifies the initiative, section titles are not asserting a fact. That's why we don't use citations for section titles, they are only placeholder names. Your suggestion "Median Matters accuses X of antisemitism" is repetitive because it's obvious this is a Media Matters initiative by the fact it's in the article Media Matters in a section titles "Initiatives". Personally I don't see a problem, the section describes the issue, we don't write on behalf of readers who are only reading section titles out of context with where it's located. Regarding the suggested URL, I have not followed this case closely so can't say anything about the content of the section. -- GreenC 18:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to be "Twitter (X) advertising" until 10 February 2024. WP:NPOV says "Pay attention to headers, footnotes, or other formatting elements that might unduly favor one point of view or one aspect of the subject." and I agree that attention must be paid, but won't revert unless there's more objection to it. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 18:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "Twitter (X) advertising" is clearly very neutral and probably more in line with how it should be since the aim of MMA is to go after advertising ie. it is another "cancel culture" campaign. (not sure if there is a more neutral term for "cancel culture" since this is a pejorative). -- GreenC 19:51, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antisemitism on X (formerly Twitter)