Talk:Sheila Carter

message: What happened to the baby that Sheila said was Massimo's? Jleonau 01:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I understand that Sheila Carter-related storylines on the 'Young and the Restless' from late 2006 and onward have not been quite well received by fans... It still doesn't change the fact that those storylines were written and did happen onscreen. Wikipedia articles on such works of fiction must reflect exactly what was said and seen onscreen, not viewers' wishes and speculations. Here is exactly what played out onscreen.
In early 2006, the character of Sheila Carter did have plastic surgery to look like somebody else. Later on that year, it was revealed that she had been made to look like Phyllis Newman. Sheila as Phyllis did mention taking pictures of Lauren & Brad together (something that happened a long time in the past only Sheila and few others knew), talked to herself in the mirror and would not stop reminiscing Scott & Scotty, all of which are characteristics of Sheila Carter. Former executive producer and head writer Lynn Marie Latham once referred to that incarnation of Sheila as a "psychotic killer". She called her "Sheila" and never said it wasn't Sheila. Actress Michelle Stafford also referred to that character she portrayed onscreen as "Sheila" and never implied it wasn't Sheila.
In 2010, Sarah Smythe confirmed several times Sheila Carter was indeed her sister, was made to look like Phyllis and was shot dead by Lauren Fenmore Baldwin. And that's the exact reason why Sarah abducted Lauren and tried to kill Phyllis twice as she held them both responsible of her sister's death. Sarah might have been a half-sister of Sheila's using her married name (even if she got a divorce). Therefore, Molly Carter implying she's only had one daughter is not relevant. 
The actress Tracey E. Bregman herself confirmed that Sarah & Sheila were indeed sisters and Sarah had to raise Sheila's kids (Daisy Carter & Ryder Callahan) 'cause Sheila was too preoccupied with chasing Lauren. Therefore, Bregman also confirmed Daisy & Ryder were truly Sheila's children. I know Sheila & Tom only met for the first time onscreen in 2005 but it's only a soap opera. Even though they could only have been born in 2006, Daisy & Ryder's date of birth was still changed to that of May 25th 1988. For instance, Kyle Abbott was born in 2001 but his date of birth was changed to that of January 8th 1990...
In 2012, a woman claiming to be Sheila Carter checked Daisy out of a mental institution. She was filmed but her face could not clearly be seen. According to Phyllis, she did sign the name "Sheila Carter" on the release form. Paul had that signature analyzed to see if it matched Sheila's handwriting but results were inconclusive.
Once again, I'm very much aware of the fact that quite some do not like nor want to accept such storylines but it's what was on script and played out onscreen; Sheila Carter did have plastic surgery to look like Phyllis, was shot by Lauren, apparently died, and was years later avenged by her twins, Daisy & Ryder, as well as her sister, Sarah Smythe. In 2012, she might have come back but her face was not seen at all and test results were inconclusive. It's what the article must present.
Tracey E. Bregman & Maria Arena Bell confirmed the character of Sheila Carter was coming back in late 2012 but the new regime put an end to it. Israell (talk) 15:04, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding storylines from late 2006 and onward... 

message: Beconboof, Sheila's body disappearing from the morgue was just a spumor that appeared on a number of message boards. Phyllis did, however, tell Lauren (who was being tormented by Sarah, Daisy & Ryder) that there was an autopsy. The article should resume storylines as they've played out onscreen. From what viewers saw, Sheila did have surgery to look like Phyllis (we even saw her at the surgeon's office), Sarah is her sister (she even showed Lauren a picture of herself & Sheila before their surgeries) and Daisy & Ryder are Sheila's twins with Tom Fisher. 
I added in the 'Critical Reception' section in order to address all the issues (including speculations, presumptions & questioning) you and several others have with storylines from late 2006 and onward (Sheila never having had surgery to look like Phyllis in the first place, Sarah not being Sheila's sister, Daisy & Ryder possibly not being Sheila's kids with Tom Fisher etc.) No need to mention those elsewhere in the article. Israell (talk) 04:33, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on the Sheila Carter Article 

message: Just a word of warning. In two weeks I will be deleting the majority of the storylines section of the article as it has practically no sources. All material on Wikipedia has to be referencable and there is pages of unreferenced text. While not everything needs to be referenced, it needs much more than is currently done. See Wp:Verify. Canterbury Tail talk 12:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Storylines section 

message: With news of Sheila's return. I think we should wait until B&B explains who the woman was who had surgery to look like Phyllis and the story of her children with Tom Fisher. Also Stafford "'WAS"' credited as Sheila so we could keep her name on there, a similar discussion happened when Roger Howarth reclaimed the role of Todd Manning from Trevor St. John. Or we could put a new infobox for the woman who claimed to be Sheila who had Phyllis' face (my guess that it was Sugar), like when Ian Buchanan came back as Duke Lavery. Jester66 (talk) 06:53, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, TV Insider says that Sheila was in prison, and has done her time.  But that does not explain the details of what happened on The Young and the Restless, and I doubt it will unless Brown appears on that serial, and deals with Lauren, or if Tracey Bregman does a guest spot. Removing Michelle Stafford is invalid; the same thing happened at Todd Manning.  Stafford portrayed Sheila, per story and reliable source.  Whether she was Sheila can be stated, within the article, should it be addressed by either serial. Until then, it's speculative. livelikemusic talk! 23:02, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is why the page should likely be protected, to keep from these bullshit edits from happening.  Again, we can only deal with fact, and the fact is, Michelle Stafford still portrayed the role of Sheila from 2006–07, so that needs to remain.  And, again, as exhibited at the Todd Manning page, even if it is debunked, she still was written as portraying said-character, and if anything, a mention in the article would more than suffice, but it does not negate the fact that Stafford did portray Phyllis.  Again, I doubt we'll get answers unless she crosses over, as Sheila's "death" was never mentioned on The Bold and the Beautiful, and we do not know if it ever will.  And honestly, you copy-pasted a poorly written summary, which honestly, has nothing to do with her 2017 return, at all.  Again, we are dealing with fans, who clearly want their fan-cruft to be accepted on Wikipedia; if they want this, it should belong on Wikia websites, where these edits are acceptable. livelikemusic talk! 00:21, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we do an infobox for Sugar, if she was the one who had surgery to have Phyllis' face, or to just have one? Jester66 (talk) 01:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Right now, probably not, especially since we only have the basic details of what's been shown on Friday's episode, and the TV Insider interview. livelikemusic talk! 02:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

text: Yes, Sheila did state there were "crazy stories", but did not state when those stories supposedly took place; it was only implied.  So, until said-stories are explained, the article remains as is.  And, even then, Stafford stays in the infobox regardless, because she did portray Sheila. livelikemusic talk! 20:49, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose we put a protection on this page. Due to the constant edit warring and vandalism. Jester66 (talk) 23:56, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

text: TVMegasite is not a reliable source, as far as I am aware.  It appears to be a fansite, owned and edited by fans of daytime soap operas, and primetime series. livelikemusic talk! 22:45, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

text: You are misunderstanding my edit summary, and the causes behind it.  The autopsy itself is not what I categorized as fan-cruft, because I too, as a viewer, an aware of its existence.  It's the line of her "looking like her old self".  That is fan-cruft, especially since — again — the details of Sheila's last stint in Genoa City have yet to be touched upon, and given Brad Bell's own admission, they likely won't be.  Also, no need to continually post on my talk page about this talk page; I have the main article on my talk page, which automatically places this page on it, as well. livelikemusic talk! 22:27, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheila's 2017 Resurrection and storylines from 2006-12 

message: This section was shortened too much; the entire 2022 and 2023 years developments were removed! Important developments: Sheila drugging Brooke, a recovering alcoholic; Sheila intentionally shooting Steffy and accidentally shooting Finn; Sheila escaping from prison; Sheila choking Li and then ramming her car into hers during a car chase, causing Li's car to explode and fall in the ocean; Sheila faking her own bear attack death and cutting off her own toe; Sheila confessing to two incidents including a major crime (murder) to Bill and Sheila going to jail as a result; Sheila being released from jail; Sheila saving Kelly's life. Israell (talk) 03:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  2021–present