Talk:Compassion

message: As I read the article, I'm wondering if it's possible to reorganize the section for Hinduism? I think that it could be condensed in a clearer and concise way to be more straightforward.
 EJHM1 (talk) 05:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Hinduism

message: Some content moved to Forty-nine charismatic virtues. Peter Manchester 13:35, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: So how does this differ from sympathy? Should the two be merged? Why or why not?
:Additionally, is compassion predicated on empathy or sympathy, or neither, or both?  It may be something outside the bounds of both of these things, but is triggered in various forms, or to various ends, by these things. 24.16.251.40 23:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ... v.s. Sympathy 

message: How to measure [compassion] in a country?
unknown 07:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly charitable acts as percentage of disposable income (not just donations of money), volunteer hours donated, etc....  These would have to be measured against fully altruistic (ie. tithing) or technically selfish acts (ie. donating to one's own organization) that just seem compassionate.  I am unaware of any resources that are currently doing this, but you might want to check out the United Nations.  You would probably also have to subtract (or even maybe divide by?) the relative number of anti-compassionate acts (such as expecting or demanding bribes, interfering with journalism, interfering with unharmful free expression, etc...) in those nations.  A few organizations do this last, such as: http://www.heritage.org/index/ (Index of Economic Freedom), http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=573 (Reporters sans frontières) .  International human rights watches of various sorts would probably also be up on it. 24.16.251.40 23:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Measure 

message: How to teach somebody to have compassion or to increase it, children or adults?
:Same way you teach someone to like to eat tripe: you convince or trick them into trying it and if they still don't like it, not much you can do. Maxim K 00:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You teach somebody to have compassion by example, by being compassionate with them. You increase your own compassion through repetition of being compassionate (and also through meditation). --Brian Fenton (talk) 20:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to teach somebody to have compassion? 

message: I think the first few paragraphs should objectively describe compassion without discussing all these buddhist beliefs, perhaps moving the buddhist quotes into the 'In Religion' section. Thoughts? --Dankind 19:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - I have moved the information into the Religion section just now - the intro para could probably do with a bit more work. Ys, Gouranga(UK) 21:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buddhism in the the beginning summary 

message: More quatations should be included, at least to justify the existence of those words.  Alex. 20:04, 4 September 2007
:I have removed the quote. This Google search seems to indicate that the quote was made up. It definitely appears to be unsourceable. (For future reference, it is usually best to move random quotes like this to their corresponding page at  wikiquotes.org if they can be sourced. Otherwise, be bold and delete the (probably) fake quote.) Dave Runger 20:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose of Hitler's words? 

message: I was wondering, where did compassion come from?  Why did we evolve to be compassionate?  From a survival standpoint, compassion is a weakness; for example: A man evolves compassion and is attacked by a mountain lion, he bests the creature and it lays on the ground dying.  The man feel compassion for the lion and helps save it's life; when the lion is better, in most cases it would immediately rip out the man's throat.  As such the man who evolved compassion is killed, thus not being able to pass on the trait.24.118.227.213 05:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably evolved in tribal settings, tribes where members support probably did better... That's maybe also why people tend to care more about those that are similar to them or territorially close. Maxim K 00:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

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message: The article says that Compassion should not be confused with Empathy, but after reading the article, the difference between the two still isn't clear to me. --Irrevenant [ talk ] 08:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Compassion implies both understanding of other's suffering as well as the desire to alleviate it, empathy is an ability to understand other's emotions, without those being explicitly stated, but it doesn't neccesserily imply concern (although colloquialy it often does, iin which case there is no difference) Maxim K (talk) 05:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should probably cite some literature on the difference, and maybe dedicate a section to it. To me "compassion" is more of a religious concept that entails a certain value system, whereas empathy is more of a psychological/cognitive one describing the cognitive capacity of empathizing with someone else by imagining their state of mind.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  vs Empathy? 

message: The Compassion article is little more than a stub.  It seems unreasonable to have such a large offshoot article such as Compassion in spirituality standing on its own.  These two articles should be merged. Neelix (talk) 20:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Compassion in spirituality should be brought here. --Robert Daoust (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Compassion in spirituality]] 

message: According to OED, the word 'compassion' means:
  1. Suffering together with another, participation in suffering; fellow-feeling, sympathy.
  2. The feeling or emotion, when a person is moved by the suffering or distress of another, and by the desire to relieve it; pity that inclines one to spare or to succour.
  3. Sorrowful emotion, sorrow, grief.
And yet the article begins with the line "Compassion is an understanding of the emotional state of another or oneself." Compassion is primary a feeling (an emotion) rather than a mere intellectual understanding. Further, the first paragraph ends with the line "compassion may lead an individual to feel empathy with another person." Compassion is feeling; thus this statement is not accurate.
- Nearfar (talk) 05:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual definition 

message: Just noticed: this is a yawning, and also embarrassing, omission. Volunteers? Wingspeed (talk) 16:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also is more conspicuously lacking now a section on compassion in secular society or persons... --Robert Daoust (talk) 18:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very true. Wingspeed (talk) 18:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:   I'll put all the religious stuff under an overall label, "Religious and spiritual views on compassion," which, with luck, will speed up the appearance of a "Philosophical & secular views on compassion" section or some such. Wingspeed (talk) 14:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compassion in the Jewish tradition 

message: The Sikh section - again, embarrassingly - seeems at present to be mainly about not the Sikh but the Buddhist tradition. Needs to be rectified as matter of urgency. Volunteers?Wingspeed (talk) 14:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just sought to rectify this omission, but still needs a lot more work, as indeed do the Hindu & Christian sections.Wingspeed (talk) 14:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Sikh tradition 

message: Do we really want to refer to Compassion as a positive emotion?  Isn't that a subjective statement, in contrast with the NPOV?  Many may see compassion as a weakness (though I do not).  Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no objection, I will remove it now.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I'm the guilty party. I think you're probably right. Weakness for alliteration must have got the better of me. Thanks for spotting it. :D Wingspeed (talk) 02:32, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not at all; the alliteration was pretty tempting.  ;-)  Thank you for the positive feedback.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:32, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added a new section Criticism - as virtually nobody has thought about writing it. This should help clear up the debate on compassion being a 'positive' emotion - Nearfar (talk) 01:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Positive 

message: *Great Compassion Dharani Sutra 
"(Also known as:)
*Maha Karuna Dharani Sutra
*Maha Karunikacitta Dharani Sutra
*Nilakantha Dharani Sutra"
How to mention/insert it best to section Buddhism?
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.79.147 (talk) 14:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sutra 

message: *Compassion for abusing parents Tuesday April 07, 2009
Can there be.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.89.140 (talk) 10:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.69.44 (talk) 12:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alice Miller 

message: How and what best?
* Dr. Yutang Lin: The Unification of Wisdom and Compassion
Shastra
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.201.192 (talk) 15:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: -- 88.75.201.192 (talk) 15:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  To be inserted 

message: For one, this isn't attributed properly, and for seconds it seems very much out of place. Should at the very least be "Philosophy" or something similar. 
It's also a very general hearsay quote that should be supported by actual sourced quotes-otherwise we're looking at a contemporary quote purporting to be historical.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.0.130 (talk) 00:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical? 

message: Thomas Szasz wrote a book titled Cruel Compassion. Szasz says the FEELING of compassion was distrusted in the past.  “Greek and Roman philosophers distrusted (feeling) compassion. In their view, reason alone was the proper guide to conduct. They regarded compassion ( a virtue) as an affect, neither admirable nor contemptible.” 
Helping people who do not want "help" because of the feeling of compassion, is potentially evil.
Some slave owners claimed they were helping their slaves have a better life. Henry Wilckens anti abolitionist.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 12:49, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and it says so in the article, in the section Historical. So which changes to the article do you want to discuss? With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 12:33, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cruel Compassion 

message: Hello, I am a Senior Psychology student at Clemson University. As part of my Senior Psychology Lab I am editing psychology related articles on Wikipedia. I am going to start editing this page. If other contributors have any suggestions or opinions please let me know. Bensmyers (talk) 20:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome! Please remember that Wikipedia is not an academic paper or essay! Wikipedia articles should not be based on WP:primary sources, but on reliable, published secondary sources (for instance, journal reviews and professional or advanced academic textbooks) and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources (such as undergraduate textbooks). WP:MEDRS describes how to identify reliable sources for medical information, which is a good guideline for many psychology articles as well. With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 18:53, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

text: *Just a friendly reminder to use secondary and tertiary sources when adding more "empirical research". Descriptions of single studies are usually removed. Lova Falk talk 07:26, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

text: *In your sandbox, you wrote the following: "Research has shown that self-compassion and self-esteem are positively correlated in men and that men who are compassionate, forgiving of themselves, and possess a balance emotional perspective have higher levels of self-confidence.[30]" In Wikipedia we describe the information that we have about a subject, so we would simply remove the four first words, and write: "Self-compassion and self-esteem are positively correlated in men...". However, you use a primary source, and your claim is way too strong. This is one study with 145 heterosexual men, and the results can specific for heterosexual men, for the country and culture of these men, and the results can possibly be biased by the scientists' prejudices and way of asking. So this whole statement has to go. Use secondary sources. Se-con-da-ry sources. Secondary sources!   Lova Falk talk 07:33, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Senior Psychology Lab

message: Someone with more eloquence than I should create a section on compassion shown by species other than homo sapiens.
http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/6-human-fossils-of-compassion/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.181.23 (talk) 00:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-modern compassion 

message: "The Star Thrower" by Loren Eiseley is a modern American myth often used to teach the lesson of compassion.  The essay is a contrast of the Narrator with the Rescuer, the observer with the doer, the man of Reason with a fully-realized human being, a blinking-light robot with a Human of deep compassion for Life. Only after some torturous soul-searching does the robot become a Man, able and eager to join in the life-saving/life-giving activities of the rescuer on the beach. Eiseley has stated "When the human mind exists in the light of reason and no more than reason, we may say with absolute certainty that Man and all that made him will be in that instant gone."  The Starfish Story, has it has become known in various simplified adaptations, does not fall into any of the religious categories given in the main article but the story is so well-known in this country that the article seems incomplete without it.Flatwaterblue (talk) 21:00, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The link to our article is The Star Thrower. Dougweller (talk) 09:48, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Starfish Story by Loren Eiseley 

message: The article included a section under the heading FATIQUE with a reference to a 20 year old article which suggests that there can occur a fatigue with compassion. However, neuroscientific research from the last years suggests that it is empathy that leads to fatigue or burnout and that compassion rather prevents burnout and fatigue. That's why I updated the section and its heading. Academic references for this amendment can be found here:
:1) Altruism: The Power of Compassion to Change Yourself and the World, author= M. Ricard, chapter IV, chapter-url: http://info-buddhism.com/Empathy-Compassion-Neuroscience-Ricard-Altruism.html, pages=56–64, year=2015, publisher: Brown and Company, isbn: 978-0316208246 and here:
:2)  Differential pattern of functional brain plasticity after compassion and empathy training, Olga M. Klimecki, Susanne Leiberg, Matthieu Ricard, and Tania Singer, Department of Social Neuroscience, Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences
Kt66 (talk) 15:25, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Fatique and Burnout with Compassion?

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message: This article has caused me to be curious about an aspect of the concept of compassion. It seems like this article has explained that the basis of compassion is the feeling of love that we develop for someone else when they are suffering or sad. This was interesting to me. Does someone need to be suffering or sad in order to receive our compassion? Can we not have compassion on someone who is successful or happy? These questions came to my mind while reading. 
I would also be interested in seeing some other examples/histories of compassion that aren't so religious or philosophical. Adding some extra examples from books or movies might allow the reader to become more connected and understanding of the concept. Sarahshawrich (talk) 04:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Compassion Require Suffering? 

message: A study by G. Rein, M. Atkinson, and R. McCraty found that positive emotions, compassion included, improved immune functioning. The researchers observed the amount salivary IgA after inducing anger or positive emotions in participants. It was found that compassion and like moods tended to increase the amount of antibodies found in saliva. Here is the citation for the article:
Rein, Glen, Mike Atkinson, and Rollin McCraty. The physiological and psychological effects of compassion and anger. Institute of HeartMath, 1995.
Here is the link: http://www.aipro.info/drive/File/228.pdf Erinbueler (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compassion and the Immune System 

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