Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel/Archive 1

message: I am apparently not good at the template images thing.  Could someone please link the image to an actual image of the flag of Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric1985 (talk • contribs) 
:Fixed. This template should be added only to talk pages and not to articles themselves. Also please sign your posts at talk pages and fill out edit summaries. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 10:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Israel Template 

message: I'm in. Ask me for anything about the Chareidi world. Bnei Brak, Jerusalem etc. --Daniel575 | (talk) 13:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi all 

message: I suggest we use this page for project-related discussions. For general ones, there is WP:WNBI that many users already have in their watchlist. ←Humus sapiens ну? 00:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: It seems that this list didn't get much attention at WP:WNBI, so I'm copying it here (minus articles already created):
Here's a short list of articles about people which don't exist on EnWiki yet, but do on HeWiki:
*David Bloch-Blumenfeld (or David Bloch) (:he:דוד בלוך-בלומנפלד) - politician, former mayor of Tel Aviv
*Azriel Carlebach (:he:עזריאל קרליבך) - journalist, founder of Maariv
*David Frishman (:he:דוד פרישמן) - journalist, poet, writer
*Chaim Levanon (:he:חיים לבנון) - politician, former mayor of Tel Aviv
*Moshe Leib Lilienblum (:he:משה לייב לילינבלום) - Zionist, member of Hovevei Zion
*Alexander Marmorek (:he:אלכסנדר מרמורק) - doctor, Zionist
*Igal Mosinzon (or Yigal Mosenzon) (:he:יגאל מוסינזון) - writer, playwright
*Mordechai Namir (:he:מרדכי נמיר) - politician, former mayor of Tel Aviv and head of Histadrut
*David Remez (:he:דוד רמז) - politician, head of Histadrut
*Israel Rokach (:he:ישראל רוקח) - politician, former mayor of Tel Aviv
*Menahem Sheinkin (:he:מנחם שינקין) - Zionist, one of the founders of Tel Aviv
*Yosef Sprinzak (or Yosef Shprintzak) (:he:יוסף שפרינצק) - politician, head of Histadrut, head of Knesset
-- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translate please 

message: I started editing the Law of Return article. Any feedback on changes I made to the first half of the article are welcome. I could also use some help in locating citations for places that are currently missing some. Thanks! Tiamut 15:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Law of Return Article

message: While there is already the Barnstar of National Merit, I think we should introduce an award that is more relevant to this project and also to similar projects like Judaism, Jewish history, etc. How about something like the WikiStar of David, for all the aforementioned projects? If it gets approved, I will work on an image (and encourage others to do so). -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Go ahead. --Daniel575 | (talk) 21:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Cool. Amoruso 22:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: In Israel, those hanging flaps on a uniform shoulder are a big deal, they show what brigade someone is a part of, maybe a Wiki should flap? --יהושועEric 03:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I made an IDF Barnstar.  I am not great with photoshop or any like program, but I did my best.  Feel free to make a better version.  Here is my original:
Image:Idfbarnstar.PNG
--יהושועEric 06:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure who's 'they' but I thought it was permitted to use the Wikipedia logo inside Wikipedia... in any case, I will attempt to change the image, but don't have any good ideas. Not that great with image editing software either. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 11:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "They" are :User:Striver &co. at WP:ANI#IDF barnstar?!. Perhaps we could reuse this image:  ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project award 

message: The article on the Rock of the Dome of the Rock, the Rock on which Abraham nearly sacrificed Isaac, is currently listed under Sakhrah, the Arabic term. I personally have never heard of it being called "The Foundation Stone" before, nor am I familiar with the Hebrew word. But if anyone has any suggestions, I would invite you to contribute to a discussion on that article's talk page; we're looking to find a term, preferably in English, which accurately and specifically describes said Rock, and which will be acceptable to editors and readers of both faiths. Thank you. LordAmeth 22:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have heard the term "foundation stone" before, but I am not sure if there is a standard name for it in English. --יהושועEric 00:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The even ha'shtiyah in Hebrew. Another example of an article about a subject which is both Jewish and Islamic, yet only an 'Islamic' article. Previously I encountered Peace be upon him (alav ha'shalom), which was also an Islam-only article then. I split that up in three articles: one about the expression in Judaism, one about Islam, and one disambig. --Daniel575 | (talk) 08:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, shalom alechem v'alechem shalom! --יהושועEric 03:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Foundation Stone 

message: I was wondering whether you'd agree we need to change the picture of the template at Yom Kippur War. Israel won the war and that picture may be misleading as it only represents the beginning of the war. I was thinking something could be made like the picture in the template of 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict that shows 3 pictures including bombed areas both in lebanon and haifa making it fair and balanced. Maybe one can add Ariel Sharon's picture with a bandage, famous icon photo of the war or some other photo next to the egyptian soldiers. If people agree, maybe someone with good photo and wiki skills can create that image and use it ? Amoruso 02:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yom Kippur War 

message: Should there be a subcategory "Companies in Israel" or "Companies with facilities in Israel"?  This would include Intel, Motorola, IBM, AOL, and a long, long list of other tech companies that have major operations in Israel.
:purpose?  Elizmr 02:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking it could be useful for people who like Israel.  They could see the good companies that have operations in Israel.  Like Intel, Motorola, AOL, McDonald's, Burger King, Delta Airlines, etc.  They are companies that have a significant effect on the Israeli economy.  Seeing as they are significant to the economy, they deserve a subcategory.  At least I think so. --יהושועEric 02:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should just go for it.  Maybe I was being paranoid :=) Elizmr 02:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subcategory? 

message: I think that we have enough articles that we should work on a rating system for Israel articles.  We should strive to have the best quality articles representing Israel, maybe a few featured articles in there too.
:: I see no reason why we should not use the assessment scale used by many other WikiProjects and codified over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ. I personally do not have a clue how to implement assessment classes into the project banner, but I'm sure that someone around here who's more skilled and inclined can modify the banner template and organize an Assessment section (or sub-page) on the WikiProject page here. Sorry I'm of not much help :( But it's a great idea, and I'd be happy to start assessing things once the system is in place. LordAmeth 17:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am up for assesing too, but I don't know where to start. --יהושועEric 22:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel Article Rating System 

message: We're going to have to put an eye on it... see . Perhaps we can use the maps that Encarta or National Geographic use. See discussion talk. We can't let the map of Israel be an extreme WP:POV version IMO. Amoruso 06:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel Map 

message: I was just looking, and the Israel portal hasn't been updated in about a month.  I think we should put up a new picture and selected article.
We might also post something about rating articles as we had discussed earlier.
Just a thought, --יהושועEric 19:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The portal was half-broken for a while, I just completed the migration to a newer simpler framework, so now it should be a matter of clicking edit. I would appreciate some help there. Cheers. ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israeli Portal 

message: I spend some time on that crazy stuff at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Category_talk:Israel . Check the bottom of that page. Need others to help me. After I said the guy is an antisemitic bigot who belongs in a psychiatric hospital (read his quotes before condemning me for saying such things), two other administratos immediately attacked me. Note that the antisemitic bigot in question, PVJ, is himself an administrator also. I already have three administrators against me on Wikinews, because I refuse to be polite against someone who calls for the annihalation of every Israeli and denies that it exists in the first place. Moreover, it is simply shocking that a person with such views is an ADMINISTRATOR there. --Daniel575 | (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was hilarious there. That guy from India cracked me up, I can't believe they kept his bull for so long. Amoruso 22:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikinews 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 16:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: 2006 Jerusalem gay pride parade. --Daniel575 | (talk) 21:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if this is project worthy, for now. Right now it's just an event (or a planned event, who knows, it might get cancelled) that is happening in Israel. I would include it perhaps in an article on Culture or Gay Culture in Israel. If this event turns out to be an EVENT, then it might warrant a larger article. For now, I think the article is OK as is without getting more involved. Yossiea 17:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now it has involved all politicians, Knesset debates, thousand of police officers have been scheduled to guard it, death threaths are flying around and people are preparing for a war. If this is not an event worthy of an article, nothing is. There are only two options: either the police will forbid the event (perhaps only at the last minute) anyway, or there will be dozens of deaths and hundreds of wounded. --Daniel575 | (talk) 18:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So? The article as it stands now is more than enough for a planned event. Yossiea 18:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Correct. So what's the problem? I just posted it so that anyone who wishes can join in, and to inform others that there is such an article now, so that we won't get a duplicate. What's the problem? --Daniel575 | (talk) 18:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem, I thought that you posting it here meant that you want it to become a project. Like the ORBOTW, or something similar. Yossiea 19:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Hehe, no. Just to inform people of the article's existence. Also, I'm not the person to write anything positive about it. I can only write negatively about it. Recognizing that fact, I'm calling on the others here to ensure NPOV. The section on 'Opposition' is entirely factual and full of links. But I'm not the one to write a section called 'Support'. --Daniel575 | (talk) 19:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay parade 

message: I'm wondering if there is a guideline for Israel-related articles, such as Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Israel-related articles) or something similar. —Viriditas | Talk 00:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manual of Style 

message: Hello. I'm not sure if HERE is the right place or WP:WNBI or someplace else, so let me know what you think, for future cases. :) 
Recently I checked the article on Karmiel and noticed some info was added to the history section about Karmiel's establishment. This info is from a book by Sabri Jiryis (with a Noam Chomsky foreword), so it seems bias is likely. Can anyone shed more light on this from another perspective? 
ehudshapira 23:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Establishment of Karmiel 

message: I need some help with the above entry. See the discussion on Talk:Operation Autumn Clouds. Thanks. El_C 00:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Operation Summer Rains suboperations]] 

message: Hi: See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 23#Category:Anti-Semitic people. Thank you. IZAK 10:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CfD Anti-Semitic people 

message: Check out the list of massacres commited by Israeli forces.  Although many of these events can undoubtably be described as massacres, some of them use the term in a highly debatable way.  I suggest either changing the name of the article or (preferably) deleting the more debatable "massacres" from the list (Beit Hanoun and 2006 Qana are the ones I am most disturbed by).  --GHcool 07:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massacres 

message: There is an effort to turn WP Project Israel into WP Project anti-Israel by POV warriors like this . Thoughts? ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's sad that one cannot have a project focused on Israeli culture or history without this kind of political, ideological battle coming up. I also think it incredibly sad that anyone believes a single word out of Mr. Chomsky's mouth. But then, that's just my own personal opinion. LordAmeth 22:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The stated "Goals" of WikiProject Israel are stated very clearly on the project page.  Users who join the project are expected to "[c]reate and maintain fair and unbiased information on Israel, including history, culture, and geography." I interpret this statement to mean that both supporters and critics of the modern State of Israel are welcome to join the project, provided that they keep their opinions to themselves within the articles (what they say on talk pages is a different story).  That being said, User:Pco fails this criteria by his/her edit on December 13, 2006 in which he called defined Zionism as "the separation of people by race or religion" and alleged that Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's low approval rating within Israel is "due to his strict Zionist policies toward separating all Jews from all Muslims." This is a purposely devious, selective, and twisted perception of the Israel's unilateral disengagement plan that crosses POV and OR lines.  By this logic, Likud would have been Pco's party of choice in the 2006 Israeli election because a major part of its platform was against the Gaza disengagement! I hope that as a member of WikiProject Israel, Pco will conduct him/herself more respectfully of in the future.  --GHcool 07:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turning this into anti-Israel project 

message: ====Accusations made by Pco====
*"To say that [racial discrimination] cannot be connected to the Zionist movement is false.  ... By allowing the content in the intro [of the article on Zionism and racism] as it is, you want to have it both ways... first it says that discrimination is okay because the jewish [sic] people have suffered discrimination, then it says that it is not 'the majority view of Zionism.'" - Pco.  Talk:Zionism_and_racism#Zionism_and_racism_Intro.  December 2006. 
*"With Israeli President Olmert's [sic] approval rating below 20% due to his strict Zionist policies toward separating all Jews from all Muslims, one must assume that the majority of Israel's citizens are not Zionist." - Pco.  Zionism.  13 December 2006.  User:Jpgordon was correct in reverting this edit for "either WP:NPOV or WP:NOR."
*"Similar to George Bush's statement 'You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists', [Israeli Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert was quoted as saying 'Whoever believes in the right of the Jewish People to have a sovereign Jewish state in any part of the Land of Israel is a Zionist." - Pco.  Talk:Zionism#Modern_Zionism_.28in_progress.29.  20:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is Pco?

message: *"To say that [racial discrimination] cannot be connected to the Zionist movement is false.  ... By allowing the content in the intro [of the article on Zionism and racism] as it is, you want to have it both ways... first it says that discrimination is okay because the jewish [sic] people have suffered discrimination, then it says that it is not 'the majority view of Zionism.'" - Pco.  Talk:Zionism_and_racism#Zionism_and_racism_Intro.  December 2006. 
*"With Israeli President Olmert's [sic] approval rating below 20% due to his strict Zionist policies toward separating all Jews from all Muslims, one must assume that the majority of Israel's citizens are not Zionist." - Pco.  Zionism.  13 December 2006.  User:Jpgordon was correct in reverting this edit for "either WP:NPOV or WP:NOR."
*"Similar to George Bush's statement 'You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists', [Israeli Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert was quoted as saying 'Whoever believes in the right of the Jewish People to have a sovereign Jewish state in any part of the Land of Israel is a Zionist." - Pco.  Talk:Zionism#Modern_Zionism_.28in_progress.29.  20:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Accusations made by Pco

message: Like most proponents of the "Zionism is racism" UN resolution, Pco has probably never heard or read an NPOV definition of Zionism so she could decide for herself whether or not Zionism is actually racism.  According to Random House Webster's College Dictionary, Zionism is simply "a worldwide Jewish movement for the establishment and development of the State of Israel." Like any political ideology, there is a wide variety of interpretation of this ideology (Christian Zionism, Labor Zionism, etc.), but what they all have in common is exactly what Olmert said: the belief that the Jewish people have a right to a sovereign Jewish state in at least a part of the Land of Israel.  It is doubtful that any reasonable, fair-minded person aware of the history of the Jews and of the Middle East would be against the development of a modern nation in the Middle East safe for Jews to live in (assuming that person is not from a nation that is in a state of war with that nation).  Furthermore, Zionism is a term that more accurately reflects a pre-Jewish state mentality than for identification with the State of Israel in the 21st century.  For a rebuttal to Pco's unreferenced, confused, and misinformed take on Resolution 242, you're welcome to read it here.
Luckily, unlike Pco, most Wikipedians play by the rules of reliable citations, no original research, and (for the most part) NPOV.  Pco has also been warned for violating Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Although as far as I know, Wikipedia does not have a rule against wacko opinions (provided they are not included into articles as original research), its important to note that Pco has a funny way of defining what is and is not racist.  Her defense of the International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust in Iran in which she wrote, "I think that a holocaust deniers [sic] conference is a good idea" (emphasis added) speaks volumes about where her point of view when it comes to the Jewish state, Jewish history, and perhaps even Judaism in general. For this reason, I urge honest Wikipedians not to take anything that Pco says seriously on any matter pertaining to the Jewish people.  Perhaps its time for Pco to resign from WikiProject Israel ... --GHcool 08:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Reality

message: An Atlas of Israel can now be found at Commons. Electionworld Talk? 16:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlas 

message: I read this article on the Middle East Forum website and was surprised to find that there is very little on Wikipedia about the issue of hate education in the Palestinian territories.  Of course, the title would have to be more NPOV than "Hate education in the Palestinian territories," but the phenomenon is an important factor in the Arab-Israeli conflict.  There must be dozens, if not hundreds, of sources on the topic.  As far as I know, there is no WikiProject Palestinian Authority, so should we build this page? --GHcool 20:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know about a project, but see Palestinian textbooks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's great, but do you think we can expand the article to include the media (such as the childrens' programming mentioned in the article above)? --GHcool 06:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is :Category:Education in the Palestinian territories and article Media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hate education in the territories 

message: Hello all. I've just written an article on Norihiro Yasue, one of the Japanese army officers involved in formulating the Fugu Plan, which, while quite misguided in the reasoning behind it, did save many Jewish lives during the war. The article on him on the Japanese Wikipedia indicates that he was involved in founding Israel, which is impossible since he was in a Soviet labor camp from 1945 until his death in 1950. However, he did meet with Chaim Weizmann and David Ben-Gurion in 1926. Does anyone know anything more about this, and what role he may have had? The Japanese Wikipedia article also indicates that he was inscribed in "The Golden Book" as a person who helped make humanity great or something to that effect. A quick cursory search reveals nothing about this Golden Book at all, on the English Wikipedia. Any thoughts? Thanks. LordAmeth 01:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, interesting. Just a guess: "The Golden Book" may have some relation to Yad Vashem and Righteous Among the Nations. ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yasue Norihiro 

message: Hello, I made this template  based on the other World Heritage Sites navigation templates. Could anyone please review and possibly approve before I start adding it to the blue linked articles? Also if anyone would like to help start the two articles that aren't started, that would be great.  DVD+ R/W 02:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[World Heritage Sites]] in [[Israel]] 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: It looks like WikiProject Arab-Israeli conflict has now been reopened.  It seems to cover similar ground that our WikiProject covers.  Should we join it? --GHcool 07:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Arab-Israeli conflict 

message: Is there a WikiProject Palestine, for those editors who want to work on Palestine-related articles? Should we begin one?
I note this in the "NPOV" section:
:"Do not be biased towards Israel, simply state facts. However, protect pages against other biases."
"Other biases"? Erm, hello? You have set up a project whose idea of "NPOV" is to protect pages against other points of view than a pro-Israeli one? Would you find it acceptable were there a statement of intent in another project that said "Do not be biased against Israel. However, protect pages against pro-Israeli bias"? Grace Note 05:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see there is a WP of that name. A much poorer relative, aptly. Maybe you should merge? Grace Note 05:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Whatever NPOV section was there isn't there now and it doesn't look like they currently have any members.  We shall see ... --GHcool 07:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Palestine 

message: While the new layout is pretty, I don't think it is very functional.  I think having a one page project page would work better and keep WP Israel closer to other Wikiprojects.  Before I do anything to revert it, I think it would be best to have a vote.  Please vote affirm to vote for changing to one page or against to leave it the way it is.  Sign your posts. --יהושועEric 01:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP Israel Layout 

message: I believe this article is not neutral i have left a point on the discussion board but no-one has replied.Squall1991 09:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isreali Wine 

message: I'm hoping some of you might take a look at a dispute between myself and NYScholar at the bottom of the Palestine Peace not Apartheid discussion page (Section 19: "Criticism vs. Carter's response") and weigh in. To me it seems that the main article is very much not neutral and skewed toward's Carter's POV, but NYScholar is trying to reject my proposed changes. Any input would be appreciated. Gni 17:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carter's book 

message: I made a big addition under the premise that the situation under the british mandate was basically a "binational solution" without a state.  I'm guessing it's likely to be challenged.  Please check it out, --Urthogie 23:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  made some big edits to [[binational solution]] 

message: "I am Israeli so i can get a lot of good info and rid wikipedia of the anti-semitism on it ", " I am definitely a defender of Israel", "Yey for Israel","Israel!!!!!" Pretty much sums up the "No-point of View" Wikipedia Israel project. The article itself talks about anti-semitism but makes no reference to pro-Israel propoganda distortions which appear on pretty much every Wikipedia Israel page. The only balanced positions tend to be found in the discussions - but even those are subject to deletions. Reading those its clear who always has their way - there is in fact a very strong pro-Israeli point of view as expressed in the quotes above pervading just about every Israel page. For those of us with some knowledge - often laughably biased. Anyone looking for balance should look elsewhere.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.240.24 (talk) 08:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Care to cite the quotes you supplied? If not, please read WP:SOAPBOX.  --GHcool 18:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are over the page on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Israel#Members. Number 57 18:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps Number 57 can help the unsigned vandal with citing the exact instance that any of the WikiProject Israel members said those quotations.  Or perhaps not.  --GHcool 20:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure why you demand such proof (do you really believe that someone else added the comments to make WikiProject Israel members look bad?), but: I am Israeli so i can get a lot of good info and rid wikipedia of the anti-semitism on it, I am definitely a defender of Israel, Yey for Israel, Israel!!!!! Number 57 21:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL.  I haven't looked at the member page in a long time.  I stand corrected.  However, I still think that the unsigned poster is trying to pick a fight.  --GHcool 22:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias Towards Israel seen in page and in member list! 

message: I am not part of the project but while browsing wikipedia I came upon the Israeli Unit 101.  The article was strangely worded so i went to the discussion page and to my surprise found it was under the WikiProject Palestine and not WikiProject Israel.   I found that odd since it was talking about an Israeli unit. --Hadees 03:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unit 101 

message: Hi, I'm not part of the project but I was looking in Google Earth and see that there is an option to ad links to wikipedia there, and saw that Israel is very underrepresented in this aspect. does someone know more about this? do other people want to participate? it seems that if you put in coordinates in the wikipedia article, google once in a while adds it to the google earth/map. Moblid 09:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Earth 

message: I started a rating system sub-page at: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Israel/Assessment. The template needs to be edited to allow for the relevant changes, and is beyond my Wiki knowledge. Please help edit and complete this page to begin rating articles. We should have a large number of quality articles on Israel, and should work together to achieve more of them. --יהושועEric 03:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Rating/Review System 

message: I made a big addition under the premise that the situation under the british mandate was basically a "binational solution" without a state. I'm guessing it's likely to be challenged. Please check it out, --Urthogie 14:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Binational solution]] 

message: Seems to be a revert war brewing on that page.Bakaman 03:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[India-Israel relations]] 

message: Hi Everyone,
I was looking at the WP Israel Statistics and noticed that we don't have any articles with a quality higher than B-class.  That makes me sad.  I was thinking that a collaboration (similar to the Orthodox Rabbi of the Week at WP Judaism) is in order.  Do people support this?  Would you help?  Should it be weekly, biweekly, monthly?  Speak your opinion here.  I will make a template and subpage for it if that is the consensus.
:At the moment I will make a weekly template.  After more people chime in I will change it if needed. --יהושועEric 07:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The new article is going to be picked tomorrow.  Please add articles and vote! --יהושועEric 17:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Quality - Colaboration of the Week/Month? 

message: Elie Yossef (6 hits on google), Karma Feinstein-Cohen (18 hits) and Yehuda HaKohen. The latter is ridiculously overdetailed for such a minor personality, suggesting it is either self-written or produced by an associate. They seem to be springing from overpromotion of the Magshimey Herut and the Zionist Freedom Alliance, two organisations I have never heard of despite a pretty detailed knowledge of the Israeli political scene. 
As I have not nominated an article for deletion before, I thought I'd seek some opinions whether it's an appropriate course for these. Number 57 14:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for deletion? 

message: Jerusalem is currently undergoing a featured article candidacy. The FAC page is transcluded below (feel free to remove it from this page if the FAC gets too long):
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jerusalem/archive1
Why has Jerusalem not been added to the category of FA status Israel articles? I suspect it's a problem with the template. nadav 04:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jerusalem]] on [[WP:FAC]] 

message: I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bilateral relations discussion 

message: I am concerned about how all the :Category:Israeli people by occupation subcategories are also contained in :Category:Jews by occupation.  What of the many non-Jews living in Israel. This is an incrorrect and unfair classification. nadav 02:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israeli people vs. Jewish people categories 

message: Should a template be created for members of Knesset (like the one in the hebrew Wikipedia)?Chocom 10:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you are referring to the MK infobox? If so, it would be a good idea, though I would get rid of the "Governments" section, and just have a list of Knessets (for which we have almost a complete article set). Perhaps the Government number could be appended to positions in the section for major roles? Number 57 10:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: The Shimon Peres article is currently undergoing a peer review at Wikiproject Biography and is also a good article candidate. I have personally stated that although the article is well written, it suffers from recentism and is not ready for GA status yet.--Oneworld25 05:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shimon Peres 

message: I am by no means an expert on the subject, but I feel that this article is worthy of a medium rating.  It is an admirable and concrete expression of Israel's independence from the rest of the world as well as demonstrating the ingenuity and perseverance of the Israeli state.  I think that an article about a piece of technology that managed to demonstrate Israel's capabilities to the Western world is kind of important, so I ask that anyone tasked with rating importance consider reviewing and reconsidering its importance to Israel's image abroad. // 3R1C 16:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Merkava]] important rating 

message: I've been writing some articles related to terrorism and Israel. I would appreciate any help you guys can offer. The articles (so far) are: 
*Mehola Junction bombing
*Afula Bus massacre
*Hadera central station massacre
*Tel Aviv bus 5 massacre
*House demolition
In the near future, look for: 
* Ramat Gan bus 20 bombing
* Jerusalem bus 26 bombing
* Beit Lid massacre
The common thread is that they are all linked from Yahya Ayyash, an article I'm looking to get up to FA status (I've been doing some big expansion here recently). Raul654 03:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ding - check off one (Beit Lid). Raul654 03:16, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Just curious, but when you apply for FA, who closes the FAC? nadav 03:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do. The last time I did, there were complaints of conflict-of-interest, but I generally tend to ignore those. Nobody has yet found any substantive issue with any decision for me to promote an article of mine. (Usually they are pretty cut and dry) Raul654 03:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some new Israel/terrorism related articles 

message: Could someone plese fix the first map on the Hizbollah page.  It calls the Golan Heights part of Syria, which is disputed and untrue.  Could someone fix it to take that line out? --יהושועEric 21:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is at this location: Image:BlueLine.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eric1985 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The map is based on a UN map which says the area is Syrian, not even mentioning that it is Israeli-occupied. Anyway, what is the problem with the labelling of "Syria (Golan Heights, occupied by Israel)"? Arguably it is no different to the CIA Map of Syria which denotes the Golan Heights as part of the country. Claims that the map is disputed/untrue are wrong; the only country that disputes the Golan's status is Israel (thus making it POV), whilst the rest of the world recognises them as legally being part of Syria. Number 57 21:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right of course.  However, for the purposes of illustrating that page, I do think the map should emphasize more that the whole area where the label appears is being held by Israel. The current design might be confusing to someone unfamiliar with the Golan Heights.  nadav 22:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I uploaded my version, :Image:BlueLine2.jpg, which I think clarifies the Golan's status better.  I also used the same font Blomberg chose for the Shebaa Farms. nadav 23:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help Needed - Graphic Needs To Be Fixed 

message: See Talk:Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid#A_quick_straw_poll for a present initiative to rename the page.--Urthogie 13:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  straw poll at controversial article 

message: Hi WikiProject Israelers,
I noticed that some users are inactive, such as the second user on the list who claims to be retired on his user page.  Is there support to remove such users?  --יהושועEric 01:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any compelling reason to do that. Just leave em be, or at most add (retired) next to their names.  nadav 02:58, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Some WikiProjects sort of categorize their users with headings (e.g. ==Active== *user1 *user2). I don't think it would hurt to do the same here. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 04:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One "member" with the name of Pco has been working against all that this WikiProject stands for.  Click here for more information. I don't see any reason why not to delete her name.  --GHcool 05:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Inactive Members 

message: There's a discussion over the naming of "Israeli lira" or "Israeli pound". See Talk:Israeli lira#Requested move. -Will Beback · † · 05:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israeli currency 

message: ...one giant leap for Jewish domination of media. Anyone know if there is a WikiProject USSR dedicated to fair treatment of information pertaining to the USSR or Stalin?
-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.137.228 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 1 May 2007
::As a matter of fact there is: WP:USSR. There's also one for China, Japan, Iraq, and the United States, along with a great many other countries (and former countries) of the world. There's even a WikiProject for Palestine. If there are any others in particular you're looking for, they're all listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject. LordAmeth 22:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  One small step for wiki projects... 

message: Shalom guys, How about some updates for the Winograd Commission? ابو علي (Abu Ali) 13:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Winograd Commission]] 

message: I like the old layout better. It had everything you needed on one organized page, which was not overly long. nadav 16:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too --Cramer 19:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Very true. I am reverting for now, and also suggest a vote here. nadav 19:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New project page format 

message: Please support Ben Gurion International Airport's Featured Article Candidacy Here! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eric1985 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP Israel FA Candidate: [[Ben Gurion International Airport]] 

message: Shalom YaIsraelis. I have been watching the Israeli students strike over the last few weeks. When Israelis start getting the same brutal treatment from the Magav  usually reserved for Arabs, then something important is happening in Israeli society. There is a fair amount of material in the Israeli media: eg.    (unfortunately I can not read well enough to make sense of the hebrew). Amazingly there is absolutely nothing about this on Wikipedia. Is there anyone who reads hebrew (or even participates in the demonstrations) who is prepared to write something here? ابو علي (Abu Ali) 21:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been on the front pages for a while I guess, but this is the kind of topic which I think would more appropriatly appear as part of something larger, eg Higher education in Israel, say. That kind of article would be able to give all the context about financial cutbacks in universities and the gradual decline in quality which if left to itself will most certainly bring ruin upon our country.  Or at least that's what I hear. nadav 06:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And after that maybe we could work on Education in Israel, which has a lot of room for expansion.  nadav 06:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a stub 2007 Israeli student strike. I some of you guys will take a break from telling us how well we are treated, or arguing about Deir Yassin, and help write about what is really going on in the streets of Israel right now. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 11:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 Israeli Student Strikes 

message: I have already seen several anti-Israel and seemingly anti-Semetic edits come about from the new WP Palestine group.  Keep your eyes open. --יהושועEric 04:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is exactly the kind wikirivalry we should avoid on Wikipedia. I much prefer Timeshifter, GHcool, and Tiamut's (and others) approach instead.  Both projects have a shared goal; both avowedly embrace NPOV etc.  Instead of unfairly speaking out against the whole group, you could just cite specific edits and articles you don't like. nadav 06:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also was thinking that the name "Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab-Israeli conflict" needed to be changed. The name is a kind of self-fulfilling prediction. How about this instead: "Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab-Israeli relationship." --Timeshifter 21:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree strongly with Nadav and Tiamut and urge people to join both projects. The most deficient articles in Wikipedia tend to be those with fewer editors. --Ian Pitchford 11:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One example I noticed last night was an AWB changing pre-state Israel to Palestine.  Seeing as Palestine was not a country, I see that as POV pushing.  British Mandate of Palestine is not POV, just calling it Palestine is POV. --יהושועEric 17:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or just simpler. But how is that anti-Semitic or anti-Israel exactly? Tiamut 17:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That one is anti-Israel POV.  Calling it "Palestine" is misinforming, and creating a false pretense that Palestine was a country and delegitimizing Israel to those not familiar with the matter.  By creating an anti-Israel sentimate, though false information, those edits remove the Jewish claim to Israel, hence anti-Semetic. --יהושועEric 17:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry Eric. But I think you've gone a little overboard. Besides the logical leaps of judgement, you are failing to WP:AGF. When Palestine was under the British Mandate, a lot of people called it simply Palestine. This is a historical fact and it doesn't have anything to do with Israel or any anti-Israel agenda per se. The term and its use stand on their own. With respect. Tiamut 17:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Although I don't think this is a case of anti-Semitism or even anti-Zionism, I agree with Eric that "British Mandate of Palestine" is the best name for the article for the same reason that "British Mandate of Mesopotamia" is not listed as "Mesopotamia" or "British India" is not listed as "India." --GHcool 19:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with changing it to British Mandate of Palestine for clarity. However, among historians (including Jewish and Israeli ones) Palestine has long been an accepted label for referring to the land of Israel without the transjordan. nadav 19:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, Palestine (meaning the Land of Israel) is not the same as British Mandate of Palestine (meaning the 1920-1948 British rule of modern day Israel, Jordan, and the Palestinian Territories).  Similarly, Mesopotamia (meaning the geographic area now known as Iraq and parts of its surrounding countries) is not the same as British Mandate of Mesopotamia (meaning the 1920s British rule of modern day Iraq).  --GHcool 21:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are repeating this? Obviously I agree with you. nadav 21:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh.  Sorry Nadav.  I misunderstood and thought you were disagreeing.  --GHcool 22:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP Palestine Biases 

message: *Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Society, law, and sex - A request for comment about the :Template:Palestinian ethnicity's picture has been filed. Your collective comments are solicted and would be appreciated. Thank you. -- Avi 15:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment filed 

message: Mordechai Vanunu has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
LuciferMorgan 18:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mordechai Vanunu FAR 

message: Hello, all. Two problems someone can help with:
# I was just working on the Pioneer disambig page. One of the meanings listed is a Jew in Israel in 1881-1947. I need a good page for this to link to, but I can't find one. In particular, the term "pioneer" gets very little mention in any page I've seen on the history of Israel, Zionism, etc. The previous version of Pioneer linked to "Halutz", which doesn't sound too bad, except that is actually a redirect to Dan Halutz, which is hardly what we want. Any suggestions?
# Why "1881"? Something important happened then, but Wikipedia doesn't say what it is. The various pages on the history of Israel say nothing about 1881. The Zionism article mentions "the chain of events between 1881 and 1945", but it doesn't say what happened in 1881. The 1881 article says nothing about Israel, Zionism, or Jews. The same goes for 1880, except that it mentions the death of Joseph Trumpeldor. Whatever happened in 1881 needs to be in Wikipedia. Can someone work on this (not me, I'm afraid; I'm seriously non-expert in these matters)?
--Tugbug 17:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More info: This page says, "The Jews began to return to Israel in 1881 ...." --Tugbug 20:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: This is an important topic that doesn't currently have Wikipedia coverage. Halutzim is a red link at the Aliyah article, and there doesn't seem to be a general article on the pioneering agriculture, swamp drainage etc. I guess Aliyah would do for now though if you need a link. nadav 21:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pioneer" & 1881 

message: If any editors who are good with their history and have a lot of time on their hands for editing could please take a look at the lopsided POV in the high-importance Six-Day War article. Their's been a lot of discussion on the talk page there but little action. In honor of the war's 40th anniversary this week (on the Jewish calender), I am adding the task of NPOV balancing to the project to-do list.  —Rafi Neal |T/C 03:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Six-Day War]] needs your help 

message: I just created this navigation box, since someone requested :Template:IsraeliNobelPrizeWinners on the to-do list. If anyone wants to comment on this template, it's very basic and I haven't put it anywhere yet. And if we do use it, Israel will be the first counrty to have a navbox for its laureates.  —Rafi Neal |T/C 16:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the addition of the Israeli flag  might be a good idea. Also, for such a small box, perhaps having the show/hide option isn't really worthwhile, so the v-d-e could be moved to the top right corner. Good work anyway, Number 57 16:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't figure out how to remove the hide option, it comes standard. Anyway, the other Nobel templates have the standard v-d-e in the left corner and show/hide in the right corner, so this format would look more consistent next to them.  —Rafi Neal |T/C 17:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Template: [[Template:IsraeliNobelLaureates|IsraeliNobelLaureates]] 

message: Just got news back - we seem to have loads of articles around a high - b class so i think its a priority to get these promoted. Flymeoutofhere 08:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great News - [[Israel]] article is now GA Status 

message: I have just embarked on a major rewrite of the category Music of Israel.  This article is rated as Start, and rightly so - it's pretty superficial.  
It will take me a few weeks to finish it and post it to the pedia.  If anyone else is working on this, I would like to know.  If anyone wants to see what I have done so far, you can read it on my page, User:Ravpapa/My Drafts
--Ravpapa 16:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music of Israel 

message: I am proposing a mass-move of many Israel Defense Forces-related articles and therefore felt that the discussion should be posted here (and in other major pages) instead of the individual article pages. Basically IDF section articles are all titled Israel ___________ (e.g. Israeli Military Police, Israeli Armored Corps). I think this is contrary to Wiipedia's naming conventions and isn't factually accurate because the official names for these things do not have an 'Israeli' prefix. Also they shouldn't be capitalized. An existing article name which I almost support is Aman (IDF) (still, should be renamed to Intelligence directorate (IDF) IMO). I think all relevant articles should be named in such a way: Armored corps (IDF), Military police (IDF), Artillery corps (IDF), Infantry corps (IDF) etc. Please state your opinions. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot speak to what the official names are in Hebrew or in English, but I think that this type of format does in fact go along with Wikipedia naming conventions, and with more general terms used. United States Air Force, Japan Self-Defense Forces, British Army, Royal Thai Air Force, and Indian Navy all use the national descriptor in front of the name of the branch of service. I think that some standard form should be kept, such as "Israeli Armored Corps" or "Armored Corps of Israel". The Hebrew names for the organizations would at least be accurate, but the form you suggest just doesn't sit with me. It sounds less formal, less official, to say "Military police (IDF)" than "Israeli Defense Force Military Police" or "Military Police of Israel", and also comes across to me more as a sort of general definition of the term 'military police' within the IDF context, rather than describing a formal organization. LordAmeth 21:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically what Shuki said in the comment below summarized my thoughts. The Japan Self-Defense Forces, USAF, and IDF for that matter, are all full names of what they represent. Probably IAF too. Not so less known corps which are never called 'Israeli Human Resources Directorate', etc. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I misunderstood what we were talking about. Yes, for smaller corps, it's obvious the standard format is what was suggested - e.g. XVIII Airborne Corps (United States). Should not the titles still be capitalised, though? "Armored Corps", not "Armored corps"? LordAmeth 07:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: As the author of virtually every single one of these, I don't really care either way, but you only renamed some, so that (inconsistency) is a problem. El_C 17:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IDF article naming 

message: Whilst trawling around the politics categories, I came across Security minister of Israel. I have requested that it be moved to Defense Minister of Israel. Please add your comments here. Also, if it is moved I may merge the List of Defense Ministers of Israel article into it, as it is not too long at present (and can be done with split columns). Thanks, Number 57 21:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: The El Al article is a FA candidate and in order to fulful the neccessary tasks to bring it up to this standard there are a number of tasks outlined on the talk page which need the attention of a hebrew speaking editor. Any help would be much appreciated. -- Flymeoutofhere 09:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there anything more to be done? nadav (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your help. Just one thing - does this link  have the shareholder breakdown of El Al, and if so, what is it? Thanks.-- Flymeoutofhere 18:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're the latest reports to the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. El_C 18:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew Speaker 

message: In the History of EVER.
--AceMyth 23:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Wikipedia corps tag is the most hilarious thing 

message: I have just finished a complete rewrite of the Music of Israel.  For user msh210: it includes a section on Hassidic rock, which I think is what you mean by Shiny Shoe Music.  Everyone is invited to review, correct, add salient info, and in general behave in the wiki spirit.
In particular, those of you who are Israeli rock afficionados might have what to add on that subject.  I also think the category needs sections on The Music of Israeli Arabs and Other Minorities, and perhaps on Children's Songs.
I think we need to go for reassessment of this article.  I am aiming for FA, and one of those ridiculous corps tags.
Tnx for your cooperation,
--Ravpapa 16:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great effort. The article has definite potential, but it seems to be currently sufferring from a significant lack of references and seems quite OR. --Shuki 14:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music of Israel 

message: I would like to create one or more navigation boxes for Israeli political parties (there are now articles on most parties, thanks for Number 57). However, there's a structural problem: if there's just one navigation box for all parties, past and present, then it will be huge and difficult to read. However, if there is a separate box for each election, it will create unnecessary clutter and a lot of very similar templates. Any suggestions? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if it's needed - all political articles have the Politics of Israel box, which links to an article on political parties, plus they are all in the Category:Political parties in Israel. Plus, as you say, so many parties would make it difficult to make a decent sized box. Number 57 12:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I use Wikipedia more and more, I come to expect relevant navigation boxes in almost every article. They are certainly useful, and I daresay loads more useful than the huge right-aligned general topic boxes, such as Politics of Israel (which doesn't directly link to any useful articles). This is also a good supplement (and sometimes alternative) to a See also section. I think it would be useful to be able to go straight from Kadima to Ale Yarok to Ra'am-Ta'al, and see no major reason why such a navigation box should not be created. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 13:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just don't think it would be possible to create a decent sized template for this, especially if you want to include those that didn't make it into the Knesset. The whole point of categories is for navigation such as this. Number 57 10:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, how about a category for parties which made it to the Knesset? Or the opposite, parties which did not make it? I think a division needs to made because the category is large and not easy to navigate. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 19:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Categories should probably be employed either way, but it would be possible to make a template with collapsing fields and very small text, though I question the utility of the setup. TewfikTalk 01:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think categorising parties that didn't make it into the Knesset would not be a great idea, as there have been many tiny parties that were in the Knesset (due to breakaways from large parties) but relatively large parties (e.g. The Greens or Ale Yarok) that have never made it. I think the navigation is fine as it is - people can go through the elections to see what parties were in the Knesset (which is also shown in the List of political parties in Israel page). Number 57 15:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political navigation box(es) 

message: I have just come across this article (Al-Karamah Battle), and find its contents quite hard to believe. Even if the core facts are true, they are surely represented in a highly biased fashion. I am no expert on such matters, but I hope that someone here who is can take the necessary steps to rectify this situation and rewrite this article to better reflect the truth. Todah rabah. LordAmeth 22:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No need. It's already covered at Karameh; the new article should be has been redirected there. Palmiro | Talk 23:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic. Thanks. LordAmeth 23:32, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al-Karamah Battle 

message: I created an article for Kibbutz Gal On. Since it is in the scope of your Wikiproject, I added your template to it. Hope you like it, and hopefully I will be able  to create articles for more kibbutzim in the future. Notecardforfree 08:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, please add new articles here: :Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel/New articles --Shuki 21:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Cheers. Notecardforfree 17:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kibbutz Gal On 

message: Hi.. does anyone know what is the correct way to alphabetise Israeli last names.. Do David ben Gurion and Simon bar Kochba go under 'B' or under 'G' and 'K' respectively? What about arabic names e.g. 'Osama bin Laden'? Zargulon 19:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just asked the librarian at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles, the Jewish synagogue famous for having David Wolpe as its head rabbi.  She says that American English library standards, David Ben Gurion, Simon Bar Kochba, and Osama Bin Laden would all be alphabetized under the letter B.  She did not know if Hebrew, Arabic, or British English cataloging protocol is different.  --GHcool 00:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for taking the trouble! I'm glad to know the answer. Zargulon 00:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe British English also sorts them under B. I would be interested to know if Arabic sorts names such as el Sana under E or S though! Number 57 07:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In Hebrew, they would also be alphabetized under "B" (well, Bet, actually), so English is consistent with the Hebrew practice.  --Ravpapa 05:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetisation of israeli names 

message: There is currently a disagreement here over whether the first sentence of Nuclear weapons and Israel should be "Israel was the sixth country in the world to develop nuclear weapons..."  I would appreciate any input. -- Joshdboz 11:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuclear disagreement 

message: Please comment on User:Number 57's moving of Yom Ha'atzmaut and Yom Yerushalayim to their respective English translations. The user has done so without consensus and subsequently undid my reverts - and I'm not prepared to get into a move war. Thank you, DLandTALK 15:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add Yom Hazikaron to that list.--DLandTALK 16:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not support these unilteral moves by 57. At least this one is going through properly :Yom HaShoah. Please comment either way here, but preferably on each page. --Shuki 17:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is English Wikipedia...ابو علي (Abu Ali) 18:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that changing these to the English name subtracts from their cultural context. These holidays are unique entities unto themselves, and not simply the Israeli version of an independence day, memorial day, etc. Or should we start renaming the religious holidays too, to English equivalents? LordAmeth 18:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Abu Ali wrote:"This is English Wikipedia". Yes it is, Father of Ali. :-) Despite it being English Wikipedia, we have articles about Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, not "Jewish New Year" and "Jewish Day of Atonement". On the other hand, we do have Passover, which is a very widely-used English name for Pesach. "Independence Day" and "Jerusalem Day" may be used in the English-language Israeli media, but the names "Yom Ha'atzmaut" and "Yom Yerushalayim" are much more common — even among English-speakers who may not know much Hebrew (in the United States, for example). — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 19:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Look, we do not call Bastille Day "Fête Nationale" so why should it be different for these holidays? No-one ever used the Hebrew words for these events when speaking to me in English, and the evidence from the English language press in Israel is overwhelmingly in favour of the English use (I believe the only hits for Yom HaShoah on the Haaretz website were actually on the talkback). It is a Wikipedia policy to use both the common name and the English name. Number 57 08:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sure that we can find examples that go both ways - true, some things like Bastille Day and Chinese New Years' are known by an English name. But many other holidays are not - Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur have already been mentioned, and the same goes for pretty much every other Jewish holiday - just look at Template:Jewish holidays and you'll see that most are titled by their Hebrew names here on Wikipedia. You make a very good point that WP:COMMONNAME dictates that we use the most common name for things - it just so happens that for most if not all Jewish holidays with the exception of Passover, the Hebrew name (or Yiddish, I suppose) is the most common. I find it very interesting that you say that, living in Israel, you've always heard these terms in English when being spoken to in English; I would not have expected that. Still, in my experience, living in New York (the second-largest Jewish community outside of Israel), it is very uncommon for people in everyday reallife conversation to use the English names for these things. LordAmeth 08:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference is that Yom Kippur and Rosh HaShanah are religious holidays, and English tends to retain the "native" word for religious events. However, the ones we are dealing with now are secular Israeli holidays which were invented in the last 60 years. Number 57 08:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 57, as posted on a few other talk pages, there is no consensus. FWIW, by your logic, all the Israeli national days you refered to are celebrated on the Hebrew date and they all have a semi-religious status in Israel and in Jewish communities. For Orhtodox Jews, Yom Haatzmaut is a special religous day. Also, ignorance is not an excuse and neither is being embarrassed about one's ethnicity (not accusing you, but rather the Israeli English media). If a non-Jew learns that Jews call the day commemorating the independance of Israel as Yom Haatzmaut, then they will respect that. There's no reason to water down the culture. --Shuki 16:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But as I have pointed out, no Jew I have spoken to has ever referred to these holidays by their Hebrew names when speaking in English. In addition to the Israeli media, all the foreign media (BBC etc.) use the English names too. Using English language on Wikipedia is why we have an article on Labor Party (Israel) rather than Avoda, Jerusalem rather than Yerushalayim (if you insist Yom Yerushalayim is correct, shouldn't you be enforcing this change too?) and Israel national football team rather than Nivheret Yisrael. Why should holidays be any different? Number 57 16:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Number 57, it should be pointed out that your personal experience ("no Jew I have spoken to...") has no bearing in this discussion. My personal experience is just the opposite.--DLandTALK 17:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Having lived in Israel, I would say my experience is important in determining how Israeli holidays are rendered in English. Number 57 07:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversial page moves 

message: I once heard a story that either a Danish fishing boat or a monument resembling such a boat is located near the Yad Vashem. If anybody has a picture of it, it would be a great addition to the rescue of the Danish Jews article. Valentinian T / C 14:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image from Yad Vashem. 

message: There are two editors currently trying to keep the status quo of violating WP:Undue weight in the Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus article.  I first tried asking them to cut their criticisms of the endorsemnt to flight theory down and when they refused, I told them I would add whatever I could find to make the claims section as long as the criticisms section.  Now they're trying to censor the new stuff I added, mostly with flimsy excuses such as that The Continuum Political Encyclopedia of the Middle East doesn't exist.  I'd appreciate some help.  The most relevent section of the talk page is here.  --GHcool 17:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weight in "Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus" article 

message: Please see discussion at 
*Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive818#Edit warring and POV pushing Category:Jerusalem. --Timeshifter 11:57, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion is now archived here: .  --Timeshifter 17:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:ANI]]. Jerusalem categorization 

message: I spotted a doublet: Mitzpe Ramon Airfield (formerly referenced as an 'airfield' without mention of the fact that it is an airbase, not an airport) and Ramon Airbase. One should be deleted and the other cleaned up (please, see Ramon Airbase talk page), but I sure won't take the risk to be called a vandal and, then, won't do anything. Sorry for that, but I'm fed up with quick accusations and snipers… — Іван Коренюк ψ Ivan Korenyuk 14:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've redirected Mitzpe Ramon Airfield to Ramon Airbase as that is how it's better known. Number 57 15:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually they are different air bases if you read this article. Number 57 15:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a minor, but stupid point 

message: Please see :Category:Palestinian territories and: 
*Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 August 7. --Timeshifter 00:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another deletion attempt concerning various "[[Palestinian territories]]" categories 

message: I have put forth a peer review for the Israel article at Wikipedia:Peer review/Israel/archive1. Comments are welcome there (and on Talk:Israel, if you prefer). -- tariqabjotu 19:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:PR|Peer review]] for [[Israel]] 

message: At this moment, a significant case is occurring at the page for arbitration proceedings, at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Allegations of apartheid/Workshop, a subpage of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Allegations_of_apartheid. 
A group of editors has been developing an article entitled "Allegations of Israeli apartheid." In response, a group of editors attempted to build a set of articles detailing allegations of "apartheid" in other countries. 
In response some editors of the Israel-apartheid article allege that editors who worked on articles about other countries have violated WP:POINT. However editors of articles on other countries say that they were trying to foster some objectivity. 
Currently, the ArbCom case has shown somewhat of a pattern of conflicting allegations about various users' conduct, related to both sides in the discpute. This was inevitable, since ArbCom's primary focus is user conduct, not content disputes. 
Your help might be useful. Please go to this proceeding and insert your comments on what you feel are the best ways to achieve fairness and balance, in accordance with Wikipedia principles. 
If you wish, you may also weigh in at WP:VPP, on the question of whether ArbCom or some other body should address content disputes, in order to somewhat reduce the cycle of accuations and allegations. 
Thank you. --Steve, Sm8900 03:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have been reported for WP:CANVASsing. Number 57 08:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Allegations_of_apartheid|Arbcom case]] status 

message: There is a discussion on whether to rename this category :Category:Religious Kibbutz Movement as the main article has been moved to Religious Kibbutz Movement. Number 57 08:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Kibbutz Dati]] 

message: Someone created an AfD for the List of attacks committed during the Second Intifada article.  Please vote your conscience here.  --GHcool 06:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of attacks committed during the Second Intifada]] up for deletion 

message: The article Shlomi Bar'el has been nominated for deletion. Sources have been provided in the AfD discussion but are still not actually used in the article. Input, particularly from editors who are familiar with the Hebrew alphabet, would be most appreciated. – Black Falcon (Talk) 17:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussion for [[Shlomi Bar'el]] 

message: We have a Qxz ad! It's here. Sahmsidea Tel Aviv 22:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qxz ad 

message: Beit She'an is currently a good article, but may lose that status if deficiencies are not corrected.  We need help from somebody knowledgeable about this city and its history, or somebody who has access to reliable sources of information about the city.  Online sources are not particularly comprehensive, so a trip to the library may be required.  - Jehochman  Talk 04:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beit She'an 

message: What do people think about using Template:MKs rather than Template:Infobox Prime Minister for Prime Minister of Israel (see David Ben-Gurion vs Haim-Moshe Shapira)? Personally I would prefer it, as it can show multiple previous parties (more common to Israel :) ), multiple previous cabinet posts (both of which Infobox politician can do, but making it horrendously big) and year of Aliyah. It is also used for PMs over on the he.wikipedia in place of the more general PM infobox. Thoughts? Number 57 14:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prime Ministers 

message: * Hebrew language at WP:GAR; could lose GA status. --Ling.Nut 08:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hebrew language]] at [[WP:GAR]]; could lose GA status 

message: A handful of editors are trying to put the references to the work of Norman Finkelstein in the Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus.  Comments are welcome here.  --GHcool 19:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finkelstein in Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus 

message: As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether M. Seligman & Co. is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 18:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expert review: M. Seligman & Co. 

message: I recently changed the wikiproject page's interface to an older one that was existent for back this year. I think its simpler, cleaner and better for the PR of this project. Everything about the project is linked to from within it so no data is being mispresented. Please discuss... in the meantime i will revert. - ephix  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 22:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Interface 

message: According to many authors, including Israeli once, the Israel youth groups aren't informed about Jewish history in Poland, they visit only Holocaust places, don't meet young Poles. The article doesn't mention any problem, so it's biased.Xx236 07:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's your point? If you have something to add, find references and improve the article. I don't think that this is the place to criticize specific articles for being imcomplete. What I remember about young Poles is having them throw coins at us while walking in the streets. --Shuki 18:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[March of the Living]] controversies 

message: As a monolinguist, I am finding myself inadequate to properly expand the article on journalist Israel Segal. :) It needs details on his date of birth as well as more information about his career. There are relatively few articles in English about this man, who seems by the accounts I've found to be notable. I'd appreciate any assistance that anyone can offer. :) --Moonriddengirl 01:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just an update that date of birth & Hebrew name have been added by User:Number 57 (thanks again!). I imagine there's still plenty of room for expansion from Hebrew sources. --Moonriddengirl 12:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assistance requested at [[Israel Segal]] 

message: Please see this  Zeq 21:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Participation is requested 

message: Help is needed to sort out the Deputy leaders of Israel article. There's confusion of the following titles Acting Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Vice Prime Minister and who holds those titles. GoodDay 14:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No confusion with who is what, but just doesn't translate well into English. пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  State of confusion 

message: Does anyone have any objections to me requesting that MiszaBot II automatically archive this page? If not, I'll request that it archive any discussion more than 20 days old. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, as there was no opposition, I have set this up. Hopefully it should start work soon. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automatic archiving 

message: I think you should pay attention to this article, for mi it's just a hoax. --Kimdime69 23:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it does look rather suspicious.  Searches on Google yield a lot of articles from Jew Watch.  Does anybody have any suggestions about what should be done about this page? --GHcool 05:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ringworm is a name for Tinea capitis, a fungal infection, and not really a worm. See the entry in Hebrew wiki for history of radiation for Tinea capitis in Israel (he:גזזת), it is well sourced. I could not find evidence to the number of children treated being 100,000. --  Derwig 08:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Did you read the references of the Hebrew article (for instance the one in the Ministry of Health web site)? the English article definitely needs improvement, but deleting it as spam is ridiculous. -- Derwig 09:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't claim that this isn't a serious and notable issue, but rather that in its current form the article is little more than an advertisement for the film, and that if the article is not significantly improved, it should be deleted. Rami R 11:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, I agree. The issue is notable (and not a hoax as suggested above), but the current article should probably be speedy-deleted per copyvio. Another title should be used for an article on the subject, if ever created. -- Derwig 12:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't read hebrew, anyone have an english source, medical source for exemple, stating that  "approximately 100,000 Sephardi Jews were irradiated" and that it caused "high rates of infertility, cancer and death." ? There should be something no? Is there any big newspaper wich made an article about the film? If not well it's just a hoax. I also have to say that the author of this thing is using sock puppetry in french encyclopedia so please check all his editions.--Kimdime69 13:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Try google search for "ringworm radiation Israel", some of the results you get are from credible sites. Look here  for a BMJ article on compensation for victims, and here  for epidemiology data. A pubmed (www.pubmed.com) search yields many papers on risks of radiation for Tinea capitis, examples for papers from Israel - ,  (Medscape & Reuters coverage of previous article), . The subject is not a hoax, but the current text is a copyvio (see link to amazon provided by Rami R), and the number of affected individuals is unsourced. Again, I suggest nomination for speedy deletion for copyvio -- Derwig 13:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks for the links, so there should be an article about this thing but a serious one, I agree with your conclusions. If anybody is interested here is the link to the french delation page --Kimdime69 15:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The ringworm children affair]] 

message: I noticed that many of the military entries' new and improved titles used (IDF) as a disambiguation term. I'm not sure that this is a good idea, as both the Iceland Defense Forces and Irish Defence Forces use that acronym. While "Paratroopers Brigade (IDF)" may not be confused, it seems the likelihood exists, and so perhaps you should use something like (Israel) instead? Let me know, TewfikTalk 01:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IDF as a disambiguation term 

message: Since those working on the Towns Info box did such a good job of enhancing the new info box, I would ask that they do the same to the Info Box for kibbutzim.
It would greatly enhance the infobox to have items such as the pushpin map and longtitud/latitude of the kibbutz displayed.
As moshavim are similar to kibbutzim in many ways (and with the moves by Kibbutz Degania and Ayalelet Hashahar to privatize - convert to moshavim), though, as far as I know, they lack an affliliation to an organization as is part of the kibbutz profile, I would also suggest using the kibbutz infobox for moshavim as well. Talk 17:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info Box for Kibbutzim 

message: Hi, the article about Latrun refers to 2 battles : operation Bin Nun and Bin Nun Bet.
Anita Shapira talks about 6 assaults during the 1948 War.
I identified 5 :
* Bin Nun (25 mai)
* Bin Nun Bet (30 mai)
* Operation Yoram (8 june)
* second phase of Operation Larlar (16 july)
* other attemps during Operation Larlar (18 july)
What would be the 6th one ?
Thank you, Alithien 11:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latroun battles 

message: Do you think this article is ready for GA nomination? --Ravpapa 09:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks good to me.  --GHcool 17:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The GA has been put on hold by reviewer Blnguyen.  I found this review pretty unsatisfactory.  I wrote my comments on my user page, at User talk:Ravpapa#My comments on GA review of Music of Israel.  I welcome comments on whether I am being hypersensitive, or whether this is worth pursuing. --Ravpapa 08:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Ravpapa- As you noted yourself, some of the comments are actionable and would improve the article. There are a number of comments which are too general, and the reviewer would need to specify exactly what needs fixing. Your replies to comments regarding style and wikipolicies sound reasonable to me, and you may be able to convince the reviewer. I would urge you to remember that this is a long article, and the reviewer has made an effort to review it. I suggest you post your replies on the article talk page (although some of them could use a rephrasing to take the "edge" off...). Derwig 08:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Music of Israel]] 

message: At the top it says: 
 
Can someone explain if this is correct or not? Govvy 14:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are probably some kibbutzim in the West Bank, but whether the statement is correct is not relevant to the article, therefore I'm going to remove it. Thanks for the heads up. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No matter what, it's a dumb sentence to add to that list page. OR, not specific, not explained on the discussion page, and really is not relevant to a list page anyway. --Shuki 21:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of kibbutzim]] 

message: While this does not concern Israel or WP:ISRAEL as a whole, I'd like to point out an article, Tel Arad, which does not have any references even though it's probably very easy to find them considering it's an article about the history of a fairly well-known site. Can anyone find some references please? After that we can start trying to turn this into a good article. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing an article 

message: Isn't this image a bit too "suggestive" to be used as the image for the project? Why not the Israeli flag, like on every other national project? It pretty much gives the impression that Wikipedia is controlled by Jews! Funkynusayri (talk) 02:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If somebody is looking for that interpretation, they will find it no matter what, but I agree that the Israeli flag is more appropriate because the current graphic looks like it is WikiProject Judaism or something.  --GHcool (talk) 02:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I am not an expert on this field, just a bypasser, but for me the logo looks ok and does not make me suspicious. As a kind of an artist I see this kind of mixing of symbols as creative and free minded, and not a sign of control. For me the logo gives the impression that people involved it are not fanatic; fanatics could not modify their important symbols in such way. You should not be too worried about possible mis-interpretations, because if somebody wants to think that Wikipedia is controlled by jews, any logo can not change that. Tuohirulla puhu 15:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I have recently expanded the Shaghur article by adding statistics provided by the ICBS via Ynhockey and merging the Majd al-Krum, Bi'ina and Deir al-Asad articles into Shaghur as done in the Hebrew wikipedia. The article is currently rated a Start article but I think now since the city's demographics, economy, education, politics, sports and history sectors have been created and the article hits all major points it deserves B-class status. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaghur re-assesment 

message: Hi all,
Wikinews reporter User:David Shankbone is going on a trip to Israel and will be gathering materials for Wikipedia, Commons and Wikinews: see announcement here on wikinews.
This would "including guided tours of the tunnels under the Western Wall, the Temple Mount, and Tel Aviv (for photos all), in addition to the pre-arranged schedule" and interviews.
I'd like to ask anyone here to go to the discussion page on Wikinews and give suggestions or requests, as well as to come to Wikinews to edit the articles resulting from this excursion.
--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikinews goes to Israel 

message: These articles are written in a very one sided and anti-Israeli point of view. It really needss attention. Best Regards --Kaaveh (talk) 00:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Qibya raid‎]] and [[Al-Khisas massacre]] 

message: Please see Golan Heights, an ip editor appears to be POV pushing. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Golan Heights]] 

message: Hi, I've found a historic photo that might be feature-worthy but the caption from the century-old stereoscope looks politically loaded by today's standards (Mideast issues).  So I'm seeking feedback on how to craft NPOV language and move forward with a nomination.  The discussion is located here.  Input would be much appreciated.
I contacted a couple of users individually, but I guess the best thing to do here is to contact both the Israel and the Palestine WikiProjects.  It's a fine historic image of two Arab women grinding coffee, basially apolitical, but the original description doesn't look NPOV by today's standards.  I'd just like to move toward WP:FPC without accidentally stepping on anybody's toes.  Best regards, DurovaCharge! 23:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seeking feedback at an RFC 

message: I seem to recall from a course at uni that Ashdod, Ashkelon and Be'er Sheva were all originally classed as development towns - can anyone confirm this before I add them to the article? Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Development town]]s 

message: For the Israel stamp collectors and lovers, there is no article yet for Postage stamps and postal history of Israel (part of :Category:Postal history by country) that would have so many Jewish themes. Feel free to go ahead and start it. (See the other country's in :Category:Postage stamps by country that have theirs.) Nothing for Israel on :Category:Postage stamps by country neither on List of country articles containing postal sections nor on List of philatelic bureaus. (but just a teeny note on Israel at Compendium of postage stamp issuers (Io - Iz).) This is truly a great shame and pity because Israel, and before that when it was the British Mandate produced and continues to issue the most beautiful and extensive stamps by any country. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 11:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Postage stamps and postal history of Israel 

message: Hi. I think the COTW feature is currently way underused and was wondering if there is any way to send a message to members of the Wikiproject each week with the new article in it? At the moment it isnt being updated, I think in part, because the articles arent really acted on when they are COTW. --Flymeoutofhere (talk) 17:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel COTW 

message: An Israeli company Emblaze LD listed on the UK stock exchange  has taken over a Korean company with notability issues called Innostream. If anyone on this project would like to effect a merge write on the new parent company, their input would be very welcome. --Gavin Collins (talk) 11:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emblaze LD 

message: Should really this portal deal with items, people or sites in occupied areas? Ofeig (talk) 12:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The West Bank 

message: i am an ex-mossad man. i was in mossad from 1983 till 1987 and i am wanting to become a member of this great project. is that perhaps possible? can i join the wikiproject israel? how do you become a member. how do you join? Shojaijekhi (talk) 20:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just add your name to the bottom of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Israel#Members, and watch this page (click watch on the top right); any updates or issues will appear in your watchlist. If you create any new articles, add them to WP:Israel/New. Regards, пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ex-mossad man wants to join 

message: As above visitor noted, The way to join is not obvious at all. Main page should have a JOIN link. Mewnews (talk) 10:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joining 

message: Hi, does anyone here have a reference on the general Israel opinion on Khalil al-Wazir? I assume most Israelis view him as a terrorist but  think a source would be approprate. More importantly, does anyone have a much-needed source on al-Wazir's role in the Coastal Road massacre and whether or not he was granted any special status by the Israeli government i.e No. 1, 2 3 terrorist? Any help in finding these sources would be much appreciated. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this help: "As with all Palestinian nationalist leaders during his lifetime, he was viewed by Israel as a terrorist." --GHcool (talk) 06:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israeli opinion on al-Wazir 

message: Greetings. For a brief shining moment, you'll see the new Postage stamps and postal history of Israel‎ as a Did you know... on the Main Page, with a picture. Feel free to contribute to the article. L'hitraot, HG | Talk 11:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel stamps 

message: I have just spread the content of the project page and saw that there were already some subpages which are orphaned, - does anyone know what the deal is here?--Flymeoutofhere (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see you've made some changes to the project page. They're generally OK by me, but maybe we should discuss them with other members first. -- Nudve (talk) 16:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - Im happy to revert it in the mean time -Flymeoutofhere (talk) 17:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP Design