Talk:Justine Henin/Archive 1

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 20:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 

message: Can anyone verify the copyright for these photographs? - Texture 19:24, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I have replaced the image with a more recent one, taken by myself. --Windsok 16:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo Copyright Status

message: I personally think they are unnecessary. It's very hard to keep this kind of sections up-to-date over a long period of time, and ultimately, this is an encyclopaedia article, not a 24/7 current news article. 128.151.226.112 09:32, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Ranking/Results/etc. necessary?

message: Was her retirement really based off of an 'injury'.  To me it sounds more like an upset stomach, hardly an injury.  Her talk about her shoulder almost seemed like an afterthought.  This is bound to be controversial.
:*Well, that's how it was recorded: retirement due to illness/injury. Wikipedia articles are supposed to be based on fact, not speculation. Noelle De Guzman 09:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * I don't know if you saw that match. Justine Henin looked very unwell before she decided to concede: she lost her balance a few times, was almost unable to serve and went from looking pale to almost green. In my opinion you can't expect an athlete to play a match when feeling really sick, which was obviously the case. Of course it's a pitty for the folks watching, but it would of been a pitty anyway. She was clearly unable to play at a WTA-level, let alone the level of a top 10 player. In the newspapers it was rumoured that her stomach couldn't cope with the large amount of painkillers she took because of her shoulder injury, I cannot prove this, but it would explain why her fitness fell so quickly.DVanDyck 08:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: *That may be, but it isn't Wikipedia editors' place to write their own judgments about her here. No original research, neutral point of view is part of Wikipedia's Five Pillars. I think the language in the article is strong enough to connote that what she did was bad sportsmanship. Noelle De Guzman 00:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Injury?

message: This is a very, very long article with no references given.  It is also filled with phrases such as "somehow found the strength...".  I'd like to recommend a little less focus on expanding the article's year-by-year analysis and much more focus on writing a less gushing and more verifiable article.  Jkelly 20:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone, verify 

message: The first paragraph refers to her backhand as "marvellous" without citing a source. POV, perhaps? Eekyeesh 13:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Justine Henin-Hardenne 

message: For most international athletes currently on Wikipedia, weight and height is in pounds and feet. Changing this to the metric system (with imperial system between brackets) would be more correct comprehensible for most readers. The metric system is after all the international convention whereas feet and inches are only used in the US.
Has there been a previous debate about this?
:Guideline is at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Units of measurement. Piet 10:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Metric System

message: "Henin-Hardenne is well-remembered for her behaviour in the final of the 2006 Australian Open, when she retired against Amélie Mauresmo while trailing 1-6, 0-2." Inclusion of this at the top summary feels non-NPOV, esp. without a reference. She's won multiple Grand Slam events - the fact she retired in the middle of Aussie Open this year is just one of many things she can be "well-remembered" for. Jxyama 22:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Paragraph 

message: How important is this section really? Before being updated to include her French Open matches, the entries in this section were her Australian Open 2006 final loss. If this section is going to take into account her performance in the Grand Slam, then the performance timeline (not to mention the separate Grand Slam finals section, will provide a more complete account. In such a case, I don't see the importance of listing down in such a section her petty victory or loss in a first or second round of a tournament. Hence, how about removing this section? Joey80 05:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Recent matches" section 

message: In Belgium, French is one of the main languages.
I wonder if she can pronounce the Hs in her name.
Does the name Hardenne have any link to the Ardennes?
:French is the native language in the southern half of Belgium, which Henin is from (She only speaks a bit of Dutch). The H's are not pronounced at all in French. I would say the name is not related to the Ardennes, but I'm not sure. Pronunciation however is exactly the same. Piet 10:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree—and the "h" and "e" in "Henin" were equally mispronounced. I have replaced the audio file by a new one, with a pronunciation that should be more authentic. Chtikipedien 08:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: I marked this page for cleanup. The grammar is sub-par, the wording is awkward, and there is a lot I think needs to be changed, like all the "found a way to win" and other phrases that make this article sound like it's about a comic book superhero. Henin-Hardenne is probably my favourite tennis player, but this article needs to be more neutral. I will work on this article in the coming weeks when I have time, but I thought I should mark it to encourage others to help. --Muéro 01:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has improved quite a bit since it was tagged. How does everyone feel about removing the cleanup tag? --Muéro 02:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marked for Cleanup 

message: It doesn't just mean that she didn't claim a career Grand Slam, but a career Golden Slam, a more elite achievement. --Joey80 00:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, she can't claim either if you're going to split hairs.  Agrippina Minor 18:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes she can! Hasn't she won 7 of those???? :\ Do you know me?...then SHUT UP!!! Sarcasm is beauty 00:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What losing the Wimbledon finals meant? 

message: If I didn't know anything about Justine Henin, I would read this article and think her most famous for "her controversial doings on the WTA Tour, including her infamous defeat to Amelie Mauresmo in the 2006 Australian Open."  This is simply not so.  I don't think that mention of that episode is even worth one line of text here, much less a mention in the first paragraph.  Mr Frosty 20:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emphasis on 2006 Australian Open final

message: I changed the infobox picture back to :Image:Justine henin hardenne medibank international 2006.jpg. The picture there before (:Image:JustineHenin-Hardenne-6-4-05.jpg) was listed as copyrighted free use, but there wasn't any source info, and it looks like a downsized version of a wire service photo. GrahameS 01:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox picture 

message: Here  we have 58-8 while in official her site is stated 56-8? Why the numbers are different? —the preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.238.64.156 (talk) 20:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overall win/loss in 2006 

message: I'm tempted to add the above statement made on the US OPEN 2007 in the commentary booth to "Playing Style". Any counter-arguments or comments? Does anybody know how to cite a statement from such a source? DVanDyck 20:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martina Navratilova: "Female version of Roger Federer" 

message: The section contained the suggestion that JH recycles batteries, albeit worded in an unusual manner - I would have thought "Henin recycles her used batteries" and a reference would be more appropriate wording. In addition, there's a comment about her eating danettes two at a time, again with no reference. I can't find any reference to any food product with the name of danette.
Therefore I've reverted the anonymous edit that introduced the section.
DMcMPO11AAUK 09:25, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: I deleted some information which I think was a bit too off-topic and made the article lose focus. Please discuss if somebody disagrees
JH-man 07:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletes 

message: As per the WTA website (see Henin's activity page), the court surface for these two tournaments was Indoor Carpet, not Indoor Hard. Please take the time to edit the surface win-loss record not just on this page, but on the pages of other players who participated in the events. Thanks. Joey80 (talk) 09:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 WTA Tour Championships and 2007 Zurich Open court surfaces 

message: There's a problem with the make-up of the header and first paragraph here that only seems to appear when the whole page is displayed (all is fine when only that particular section is edited and previewed). Someone more technically knowledgable should take a look...  JH-man (talk) 15:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable matches