Talk:Zé Roberto (footballer, born 1978)

message: Zé Roberto (José Gomes Santana) is a bad title for at least two reasons:
# It's longer than it needs to be.
# It's confusing bcz even tho it has the appropriate structure for a WP Disambiguated personal name, it what might appear in text, e.g. about Englebert Humperdinck (singer), 
#:: Engelbert Humperdinck (Arnold George Dorsey)
#: (which is in fact a fragment of the (non-WP:MOSDAB-conforming) Dab Englebert Humperdinck).
# Admittedly, it apparently conforms to the principle that (my wording) an obscure contender for an article title doesn't force a predominant one out of the "position" of using the title w/o a disambiguation suffix. Nevertheless, using Zé Roberto as one Brazilian midfielder's bio's title, when another Brazilian midfielder also uses it creates a struggle against the expectation that such a duplication of names within the same are of interest just won't be permitted to happen. (Nat King Cole, Duke Ellington, and Count Basie suggest the idea that there are always enough unique names available, and that it's worth people's while to find them rather than duplicate. For this reason, my preference would be to move Zé Roberto to Zé Roberto (da Silva) or even Zé Roberto (Silva), and either leave José Gomes-Santana where it is or move it to Zé Roberto (Gomes-Santana) (if only the ignorant or socially inept would refer to him, even after having used the full name, by either "Gomes" or "Santana") Zé Roberto (Gomes) or Zé Roberto (Santana): even in the worst case there's no reason for the bulky 5-word title.  Bottom line, there should be a discussion with editors interested in the existing Zé Roberto, preferably at talk:Zé Roberto and initiated (not by me but) and initiated by editors interested in this one. It's goal would be to settle on a scheme applicable only to these two articles, that you-all, but more importantly the reader, can live with.
--Jerzy•t 12:13, & 12:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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