Talk:Morris Dees

message: This article--and some editors who attempt to make constructive contributions to it--seem constantly to be under attack by vandals and by persons who don't like SPLC or the successes it has had. It might be appropriate to protect or semi-protect it for awhile. Mervyn Emrys (talk) 03:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article under attack 

message: It is noted on the WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard that the SPLC publication Intelligence Report which was questioned by two users "has been named at least twice by the Society of Professional Journalists in their Green Eyeshade journalism excellence awards  " and may be used as a Reliable Source. 
It is also stated there that a link to an audited financial statement on the home page of the audited organization may be used as a Reliable Source concerning the organizations finances, so it seems the objections of the two editors in that regard has no substance. Mervyn Emrys (talk) 05:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliable sources

message: I moved the following paragraph here because it duplicates exactly a paragraph in the Southern Poverty Law Centerarticle, contrary to Wikipedia policies. And it is about SPLC, which is run by a Board of Directors and a President, not by Morris Dees, who is only Chief Legal Counsel for SPLC. It is not appropriate in a biography about a living person. Unless somebody can convince me it is necessary and appropriate in both places, it will be deleted.
:"In November 2000, Harper's Magazine published an article titled "The Church of Morris Dees" by Ken Silverstein, which was critical of the SPLC.Ken Silverstein, "The Church of Morris Dees," Harper's Magazine, 1 November, 2000, No. 1806, Vol. 301; Pg. 54 ; ISSN: 0017-789X.  In it Silverstein wrote that the SPLC is "the wealthiest 'civil rights' group" through years of escalated fundraising and many of its donors do not know about its assets. He noted that in 2000 the American Institute of Philanthropy gave "the center one of the worst ratings of any group it monitors" and that it spent as much money on fundraising as it did legal action."
WP:Biographies of living persons:
"Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid paper; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives." 
"Criticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability ... and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. Be careful not to give a disproportionate amount of space to particular viewpoints, to avoid the effect of representing a minority view as if it were the majority one. The views of a tiny minority have no place in the article. Care must be taken with article structure to ensure the overall presentation is broadly neutral; in particular..."
"Content should be sourced to reliable sources and should be about the subject of the article specifically. Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association. Be on the lookout for biased or malicious content about living persons. If someone appears to be promoting a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability."
Mervyn Emrys (talk) 18:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Harpers' article was directly about Dees.  Avocats (talk) 08:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please place your comments in chronological order, not in the middle of somebody elses comments. The article was not about Dees, and the principal criticism in that article appears to be that SPLC is too successful raising money to fight racism and hate. Using it in either article is highly questionable. Mervyn Emrys (talk) 00:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed material that duplicates exactly paragraph in Southern Poverty Law Center article 

message: [This section was transcluded here from article on Morris Dees because it appears to be relevant in both locations now.Mervyn Emrys (talk) 00:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Institute of Philanthropy is NOT [[WP:RS]] 

message: Substantiated information such as Dees documented abuse of his ex wife and his affairs, per Alabama court records has been removed from this document as well as statements from The Nation, Harpers, and even the SPLC's hometown newspaper, the Montgomery Advertiser, which all came to the same conclusion: the SPLC is a self-propagating fundraising machine with little regard for the truth.  If Wikipedia refuses to acknowledge all negative attributions then what possible value is the service?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.231.120 (talk) 18:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morris Dees entire Bio page is a Whitewash 

message: *During his tenure at the SPLC, Dees has made contributions to Democrats in federal elections, such as to the Democratic National Committee and the Ralph Nader presidential campaign.
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It seems unusual to report a bio subject's political contributions unless they've been the subject of reporting in secondary sources. In general, searching through primary sources for tidbits of info is not condoned. We wouldn't go through the property records to say how much property tax he pays either. If we can't find a secondary sources that comments on his campaign contributions then I suggest we delete this.   Will Beback  talk   19:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you regard  Discover The Networks as a reliable source (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1809)?  In the meantime, I'll remove the addition. Drrll (talk) 23:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 15#David Horowitz Freedom Center.   Will Beback  talk   23:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Beat me to the punch.  The RSN seems to lean toward The Huffington Post's Fundrace site being reliable (http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Dees).  What do you think? Drrll (talk) 01:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The FEC site is reliable too, that's not the problem. The problem is one of relevance. The subject appears in numerous government and private databases (as do we all). But why are we picking this particular fact and adding it to this particular biography? If we had secondary sources then we could say that at least one person and his editor thought it worth publishing. But we don't. All we have is that one WP editor thinks it's interesting, and that's where we stray into original research.   Will Beback  talk   01:18, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Campaign contributions

message: Dees has been married five times, I believe. His current spouse figured rather prominently in a recent Montgomery Advertiser feature on the Dees homestead, yet there is nothing in our Wikipedia article telling the reader that he has ever been married. Curious. Badmintonhist (talk) 19:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Marital information

message: Why is there a whole section on the "Morris Dees Justice Award", including biographical notes on each of its recipients? The award is unconnected to Dees, other than being named after him. A single sentence about the fact that the award was established seems quite enough. It's like an article about Benjamin Franklin listing all the notable alumni of "Benjamin Franklin High School". Korny O'Near (talk) 18:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The award is an indication of Dees' legacy. Being named after him directly links between the two, and every recipient is covered by a different secondary source, thus establishing notability. Where is the problem exactly? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 19:23, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The secondary source might establish notability, but it doesn't establish relevance to this article. Care to respond to my hypothetical about "Benjamin Franklin High School"? I think it's apropos here. Korny O'Near (talk) 19:58, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How many schools are named after Franklin and how many awards are named after Dees? Thought so. The paragraph serves as a substitute for a nonexistent article, therefore the list is notable by the standards cited above. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So if there were only one school named after Benjamin Franklin, things would be different? Now you're just coming up with arbitrary rules. Show me a single Wikipedia guideline or rule that even remotely backs up what you're saying. Meanwhile, I believe I have common sense on my side: the information there is simply not about Morris Dees. That seems like a basic rule of thumb for determining what should go into an article. Korny O'Near (talk) 17:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Morris Dees Justice Award" 

message: An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:03, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

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message: This is how he made his fortune, and how he built the SPLC endowment.  His career section is woefully short,That man from Nantucket (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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message: Equinox ◑ 00:40, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Until and unless reliable sources start to give the allegations credence (and I mean first that the court documents say that), they're flat BLP violations and are candidates for redaction here or anywhere else on Wikipedia. Given the way fraudulent allegations have appeared on 4chan against other people, I wouldn't take anything of the kind seriously until organizations with a reputation for fact-checking start reporting it. Acroterion (talk) 00:46, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well that was excessive