Talk:Iron Maiden/Archive 1

message: Have Iron Maiden done any songs, exclusing covers, which do not include a guitar solo?
* Genghis Khan, off Killers, doesn't, which is odd seeing as it hasn't got any vocals either! --PopUpPirate 21:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guitar Solos

message: The previously Featured Article for the Beatles has a separate page for the discography, I personally prefer this way of doing things, it'll clean up the main article, and on the discography page, singles etc could be included. Agree / disagree? --PopUpPirate 21:03, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
:I agree. I'm also planning on doing this on the Megadeth page, and splitting the "Band who have covered..." section off from here. IainP (talk) 22:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There was already a discography page, so I've merged the information (think there were one or to items not on each page) and reorganised it slightly. Removed the details from this main page and added a link to "See Also" IainP (talk) 14:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography

message: Apparently the band got SERIOUS jip on the last date of the Ozzfest tour - the sound was turned off several times, they were pelted with eggs, Sharon Osbourne called Bruce a prick (check Google News).
Also on a better note, the band are on the Hall Of Fame, in America, where they have left their handprints in the pavements.
Prob worth adding to the article somehow? --PopUpPirate 23:19, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
Why was the rest of my text about Ozzfest removed to focus on Iron Maiden's last performance at Ozzfest? Couldn't it have just been added? --EvilCheeseWedge 19:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent News

message: I vaguely remember hearing something about them getting added to some hall of fame. Anyone know about this? - Ta bu shi da yu 08:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hall of Fame

message: From "The Next Level" section: A group of Christian activists decided that the band's records (along with those of Ozzy Osbourne) should be destroyed - resulting in a mountain of vinyl records being burnt in a large fire. Pandemonium ensued when the activists were forced to flee the resultant fumes. It was then decided that smashing the records with hammers would be a better way to dispose of them. --Ccoll 03:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Do these lines belong in this article?

message: FFS, do these people have nothing better to do..... very tiresome! --PopUpPirate 23:35, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
No. Obviously they don't. Tossers. IainP (talk) 12:27, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Please see my comments on Iron Maiden band members page. Seems unnecessary to me to duplicate this info and also to have seperate wiki pages (in most cases just links) for the non-notable early members. Perhaps the detailed history should be cut down from this page, or the other page deleted? Could argue the same for the discography, but I won't :) --kingboyk 21:01, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Former Members

message: The article states that Linford Christie was featured in the Lucozade ad which used Phantom of the Opera. I definitely remember the advert featuring this track as being with Daley Thompson - but have a vague feeling that the Linford Christie version could have been a follow-up - so don't want to edit him out. Can anyone verify?
:I swear when I read the article a while ago it said Daley Thompson, which I definitely remember. I certainly have no recollection whatsoever of Linford Christie in any Lucozade advert, let alone one featuring Maiden IainP (talk) 12:26, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Lucozade Advert

message: Someone recently changed the fact that Eddie was on "most" album/single sleeves to "all" (sorry, forgotten who). Is this accurate? While I'm not banging my head off a wall trying to recall which they could be, I'm sure I've seen (very very rare) covers without him in some form or other. I'm prepared to accept the thing on the front of Fear Of The Dark as Eddie! However... Virtual XI (which I thought I had, but can't find - no great loss)? I cant picture the cover at all. I'm at work at the moment so I can't look! IainP (talk) 12:32, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, on the original cover of "Live at Donnington" Eddie is not on it (not sure if that's him on the new cover, but I think it is). Dan 14:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Eddie on ''all'' sleeves?

message: Does anyone else think this list (paragraph three of the main article) is just getting a bit unwieldy? I'm all for trimming it right down, or reducing it to "Maiden have influenced many bands in many rock and metal genres" and dropping the examples. Thoughts? IainP (talk) 08:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bands influenced by Maiden

message: Another suggestion. The page length is getting excessing (check the warning when you edit the main page). Would it make sense to consider splitting this ever-growing list off onto a page of its own and adding an "also see" link? IainP (talk) 12:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea to me Spearhead 13:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  If there are no arguments, I'll give it till Jan 1st and split into two articles then. That seems a fair length of time for objections. Similarly, it may be an idea to move the Discography off as well, again for size reasons. It's large enough to carry itself as a separate article, too. IainP (talk) 15:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bands who have covered Iron Maiden songs

message: Was linked to a piece of literature about the KKK, so I unlinked it. I don't know if linking it to the Braveheart movie, or William Wallace, is a good idea, as the lyrics aren't very specific to history at all (You could interpret it as a rival Scottish clan attacking the singer's clan if you want, or a Viking invasion). Maybe another example song of their lyrical topics should be used instead.--86.130.153.125 22:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Clansman

message: Can anyone show me evidence for this, and perhaps add a link to a website to the article?
I have had a quick google, and have found no evidence whatsoever of this - it seems like a very unlikely combination as Iron Maiden aren't generally the type of band apple generally approach
83.217.190.71 12:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a quick look myself, and found the following story. Not directly related, but the name of the shop owner's a bit of a coincidence! www.engadget.com IainP (talk) 12:56, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: iPod evidence

message: Where the article names songs about England's Folklore, shoundn't Out Of The Silent Planet be mentioned? It's based on C.S. Lewis' book, Bruce Dickinson said so himself on an interview (I can't find any official info to prove this right now)
Also, the article mentions a DVD, Death on the Road, to be released before the end of 2005. I think it should be edited for something like "was announced to be released by the end of 2005" or something
PS: sorry if there are any mistakes but this is my first page editing :$
Tharos 23:40, 08 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Out Of The Silent Planet

message: its truly amazing how the whole article was writen and then in the discuion section about members to have someone put in nico mc brain and dave murrys real names and leave out bruce dickensons original name yes thats right its not bruce its paul , paul dickenson he uses bruce to make it harder for fans to find his personal details (whoops) but unfortunately he admited this fact in an old isue of kerrang magazine (uk) circa 1990
Link or it's BS. Grymsqueaker 10:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: bruce dickenson

message: I've been told that Iron Maiden have something related to satanism. Not refered to any of their songs, like Number of the Beast, but that they practise it or that they have sold their souls. Is this true? If it is, is there any proof? Thanks in advance.
:I don't have any references to hand, but from bits and bobs of interviews I've read in the past, the band's overall response to questions along those lines is "bullsh*t". "NotB" decries Satanism, "Holy Smoke" doesn't attack religion so much as the idiot televangelists who take advantage of it and so on. IainP (talk) 12:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, drummer Nicko McBrain is a born-again Christian and the song "Alexander the Great" includes the line (refering to Alexander) "He paved the way for Christianity". So there you have it, various fanatics and their over-the-top theories like "Heavy Metal is satanic"... -Voievod 00:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Satanism or Anti-christianity in Iron Maiden?

message: I actually agree with the anonymous user who's axed a lot of the text regarding this incident. Yes, it's notable but it had as much written about it as some of the really major items. I'd recommend if anyone reckons it really is that major an incident to write the entire thing up in full and shove it in a separate article linked from this one. As it stood, it drew attention far more than it really deserved.
IainP (talk) 12:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sharon Osbourne incident

message: I remember hearing a rumor that Fear of the Dark was used in a Horror flick. I couldn't find much on this anywhere. I think it may have been one in the Nightmare on Elm street series of movies. If evidence can be found for this, it should be added to the Popular culture area.
Reply : Bring Your Daughter To The Slaughter was in Nightmare on Elm Street 5 (apparently). --PopUpPirate 11:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Damn, beat me to it. I agree with "apparently" though, as I've seen the film and I don't recall hearing the song in it. Also, I don't think it's on the soundtrack album. It may have been written for the film but not used? IainP (talk) 12:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fear of the Dark used in a movie?

message: I don't remember, but did Iron Maiden ever have a concert in Romania ? I know that they even had one in Iceland during their Death on the Road tour, but I don't think they've ever visited Romania. Does anyone have any info to prove this ? -Voievod 00:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ouch, that was clumsy ! X-D -Voievod 20:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, I'm guessing they meant Bucharest not Budapest? That's funny... JanderVK (talk) 20:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Maiden tour in Romania ?

message: hi, you might be interested to know that the above article about the early-80s Dario Argento horror film is currently a featured article candidate. as the editors of this article know what it takes to become featured, and argento's relationship with maiden is strong (e.g. Phenomena (film)), it would be interesting to have your opinions. please vote "support" or "object" with your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tenebrae (film). thx. Zzzzz 11:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tenebrae (film)]]

message: Just comparing with other FA and GA articles. If they include an "in popular culture" section or "trivia" section they are usually located near the end of the article. This one sticks it before the actual music and band personnel??? Any objections to sliding it down between "members" and "bibliography". Just seems to make sense that the musicians list should be a little more important than Bill & Ted saying EXCELLENT when they hear the words, Iron Maiden. Any thoughts? Anger22 00:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Iron Maiden in popular culture

message: [OT] main genre heavy metal?? ahahah ridicolous...a band who made 2 nwobhm albums, and less than 10 rock/hard rock... well maybe would be an HEAVY metal band for metal hammer or metal shock...certainly not for who knows WHAT METAL IS [or maybe WAS] (nowadays...like...4/5 men in the world :) [/OT]
However, Iron Maiden were said to be satanists (or simply crowley-affiliates) for the symbols on their albums (egyptians, crowleysts...) or the 666 (like on the 20-years collections) who are well-visibles and very numerous (however, i don't really think they're satanists)... --necronudist 14:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already been disscussed :) It's BS. Grymsqueaker 10:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Maiden are as quintessential 'heavy metal' as you can get, what are you on about? The genre of 'heavy metal' is specific, it doesn't relate to all the other genres of metal like thrash or black, which is what I think you're getting mixed up with. -Bauulben 18:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, seriously. What are you rambling on about? Iron Maiden is about as pure as you can get when it comes to Heavy Metal. As for their use of Egyptian and Crowley references, what does that have anything to do with Satanism? JanderVK (talk) 20:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Satanism

message: Steph11 has now added album pictures and live albums to the discography section of the article. Is this really necessary? I think a list of studio albums is enough, and that the pictures only clutter up the section really badly. What are your thoughts? -Zee 01:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely on the aesthetics. Inclusion of album covers, not accompanied by critical commentary, also does not qualify as fair use. ×Meegs 02:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Especially with all of the images present on Iron Maiden discography (again, on dubious legal footing) there is no reason to waste space here. ×Meegs 02:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography section of the article..

message: Not really a discussion, just an exclamation that this article is a credit to all involved.
The Eddie page could maybe do with a bit more ie how he is used on stage like the giant eddie at reading and why it is he seems to attack janick so much but not other members, is there anything in that?
I had added the BPI certification and Finland certifications of maiden albums abt a month back. Glad to the German certification. Hope someone could add the Japanese and Brazilian certifications details as well
Will231982 15:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Article

message: Anyone else think that a Maiden photo circa 1982-88 or some such would be more appropriate? I'm not saying that IM should only be associated with their past glories, but Air-Raid Dickenson with spiked armbands, hair to his waist, bathed in red light, and his foot propped up on a monitor declaiming to an arena full of screaming head bangers is how we all remember him, and the band. It can't be a copyright problem, they released lots of publicity photos and fair-use gives pretty wide leeway when using photos for things like a wiki. Besides, the current photo is a publicity shot. So how about it? Can't we do better?
Sorry... forgot to sign. It's Morgaledth 20:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Much more appropriate for what? Where will it be used? -Zee 00:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A Classic Maiden Photo??

message: Run to the Hills was featured in SSX On Tour as one of the EA Sports Trax.-- User:Kathywimmer
:Not to be rude but, so? It's already in the article. — Prodigenous Zee - 01:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SSX On Tour

message: i've added the genre progressive metal under genre as i feel it needs a mention, especially as NWoBHM gets a mention, as their two most recent releases are unarguably very progressive
feel free to remove it if ye don't agree =)
: Already did. You should take a look at the big argument up there. — Prodigenous Zee - 01:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PROGRESSIVE METAL?!

message: i don't doubt that you think it's Progressive Metal. but this linktells me that Iron Maiden is the greatest Power Metal band (it also shows the greatest Progressive Metal bands). the selection for the best Power Metal and Progressive Metal bands are done by pro's. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wrathteen (talk • contribs) 02:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Power Metal

message: The section titled "The Next Level" has been vandalized. My experience with Wikipedia is limited, so can someone else revert the changes?
To the joker: I appreciate the humor of "candy bar abuse", but keep it off the Iron Maiden page.
64.237.149.157 04:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Heads up, guys. Vandalized Section.

message: As I was reading through the page on Rock in Rio, I was confused by this paragraph... "A widely known event occurred during the song "Revelations", when lead singer Bruce Dickinson, playing the guitar, threw his instrument up in the air which proceeded hit him on the forehead, opening a deep cut and soaking his face with blood. Dickinson went on as if nothing had happened."
To my knowledge, Dickinson has never played the guitar. The paragraph even mentions him as the lead singer. I have checked Iron Maiden's website and it mentions nothing of Bruce playing the guitar. Any awnsers?
: I heard that he briefly played guitar at a few concerts. Dunno how true that is. --81.111.217.235 02:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure about the part where his face got soaked with blood, but what is true is that Dickinson can play the guitar. In fact he is an accomplished drummer and guitarist. — Prodigenous Zee - 07:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Error with Rock in Rio Page.

message: "Actual US sales far higher. Due to change in US record label several times, certifications have not been declared." -- Does anyone have a citation for that? Also, "much higher" isn't very exact language and this doesn't add anything to the article. That sentence should probably be dropped. 142.59.153.99 04:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gold and Platinum certification

message: Please see talk:Iron maiden (disambiguation). Please vote as you see fit! Thanks. --PopUpPirate 21:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Iron Maiden - redirection - important

message: I'd like to see some outside sources (reviews from sufficiently big magazines, for instance) that agree with this article's claim of BNW and later albums having something of progressive metal in them. I've been an obsessive progressive metal fan for about 10 years now (and a Maiden fan even before that), but I can't hear even a hint of progressiveness in Maiden's music. It's straight-forward classic heavy metal without as much as an odd time signature or a surprising turn in melody/song structure. It's a little bit like calling Madonna Death Metal. --Bringa 09:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Progressive, again (from a different editor)

message: Seems like nothing is mentioned about the band's finest jokes, "Nodding Donkey Blues", "Rolling Over Vic Vella", "Space Station N°5"'s epilogue, "The Sheriff of Huddersfield" or the "Listen with Nicko Parts", or even the video for "Holy Smoke". As a non-English born I'm probably not the best person to write a short section about British humor. Any volunteer? Except Maiden and Faith No More, I dunno (or can't remember) much metal bands (80s~90s) who went that far with jokes and parody songs, that's why it should be mentioned in the article. Paris By Night 19:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nothing about humor & jokes?

message: 1) The Iron Maiden logo looks a bit dull, and its a custom one that looks LIKE IM. Lets get an official one. I suggest red since that was used for the Iron Maiden/Killers/Number of the Beast/Piece of Mind/No Prayer/Best of the Beast albums - the only repeated logo.
2) The main photo has the band blurred outa little to stick Bruce Dickinson at the forefront. Lets find one that highlights all of them.
3) 'The Next Level' should probably have The Number of the Beast album cover as that was what TOOK Maiden to 'the next level' - Powerslave was part of that level once it was achieved. NOTB is also a far better known image
(00:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos and some other stuff

message: I think that Maiden is definatley the father of power metal, and most metal fans would agree with that. One of their genres or at least some of their albums should also carry the power metal tag. --E tac 02:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maiden as [[Power Metal]]

message: It seems a pity that this very good article lost its FA rating. I've been doing a lot of cleaning up around the edges but don't have the expertise in the subject matter to track down citations (interest, yes; expertise, no). Can we make a concerted effort to get it to accepted FA standard again? Maybe it should go back to peer review again soon if we can improve it. Metamagician3000 11:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to the above, I've now applied for peer review of this article in the hope that it can be restored to its former glory. I'd be really pleased if other editors with an interest could take part there and take on board whatever advice comes out of it. Best to all. Metamagician3000 06:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FA/Peer Review

message: I'm slightly amused by this. Iron Maiden is a band - a single thing. Thus all verbs should be singular. It has nothing to do with US English, just with correct grammar (nouns and verbs should agree in number). There is a lot of breach of this on Wikipedia, so I'm not going to bother fixing it, but I am ... er ... somewhat surprised that someone went to the trouble of changing all the correct grammar in the article into incorrect grammar. Metamagician3000 06:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "US English-isms"

message: The image in the infobox here has been tagged as not meeting fair use requirments, can someone provide a fair use rationale or a fair use image? --E tac 07:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A fair use rationale wont save it, and i think you mean free image. It fails WUF #1, something like no free equivalent is available. M3tal H3ad 04:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: There is a citation asking about references to harmonizing guitar play by Judas Priest. Just listen to the "Stained Class" album, particularly the title track, Stained Class. You see exactly where Iron Maiden's sound comes from. The harmonizing leads are there, the upbeat galloping riffs that Maiden has used so much, and the vocal style Bruce has adopted. There should really be more mention about the influence of Priest on Maiden.Devilxhlywood 20:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial Success

message: IIRC in early interviews Harris was always citing Tull, Priest, Sabbath, and UFO. 65.51.22.212 (talk) 12:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences

message: It says under "The early days (1975–1978)"
[...] and so the group was christened after the 17th century torture device.[3]
But the page for the torture device clearly states this was not invented until the 19th century??
85.165.206.77 (talk) 18:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the article in question is currently disagreeing on that subject. Flaminglawyer (talk · contribs) 03:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 17th century torture device??

message: well its not really that urgent, just a change if anyone can make it please. when you search for "iron maiden", you get taken to the disambiguation page. could anyone please change this so that when you search for iron maiden you get taken to the bands page, and then theres an option at the top of the page to be taken to disambiguation? thanks
thanks to whoever that was. btw im adilghanty
I'd like to disagree here. I feel that a search for iron maiden should go to the disambiguation page first, not to the band. If the purpose of wikipedia is to be a neutral source of information, then it should not alter search results based on personal bias. 128.12.194.20 06:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Urgent!!!please read!!!

message: It was high time to archive the talk page. -TheHande 10:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archived

message: Should I add the bands previous logos and pictures of the band line-up over the years in the biography section? And shouldn't the main picture be the band's current logo and a screenshot of the band from their latest album? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Defunct Lies (talk • contribs) 22:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo/Band Picture

message: Why is there a press announcement under Download 2007?
"Following the official announcement this evening on BBC Radio 1's Zane Lowe show"
Can anyone confirm the actual date of this?
--Chrisirwin 18:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: News Item Inappropriately Included in Article

message: Figured it made sense to refer to the new tour as a tour not 'download and the odd other gig' since that's what it is and that's what Maiden's calling it.
Lets divide up history a bit better. Firstly we can slap dates on it. I think for now the basic thing ('creation' 'early success' 'golden age' 'experimentation' 'decline' 'reunion') is fine...but lets clearly divide it into eras a bit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Elfoid (talk • contribs) 00:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2007 Tour and some other things

message: Wheres Nicko? Hopefully a free use image can be obtained with the entire band.--E tac 11:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or Bruce, for that matter. I'm going to see if I can find a free image to replace it. --Mark (Talk) 17:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Why was the old one removed? I thought that was preety fine190.48.29.68 22:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The old one wasn't fair use. A user who is currently blocked from editing Wikipedia evaded his block to try and re-insert it with a false edit summary about being administrator approved. But it was still a policy vio and was reverted. Free use images will always win out over images that are fair use. If a better pic is desired then someone will have to go out and take one themselves. 156.34.221.2 23:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox image

message: Okay, my english sucks so this will maybe suck but I hope that you will understand. If you have all Iron Maiden cd's and in order so you can see the back of the record sleeves, doesn't that form some kind of artwork? --Jocke666 13:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, with the 1998 remastered editions. It's a closeup drawing of Eddie. Hardly important enough to be put into the article though. -Mark (Talk) 15:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be worth adding to the Iron Maiden discography article though, it would be better than having the Different World single cover on it on the top.--E tac 21:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: All CD's creates an artwork

message: I think we need to have somewhat of a vote on what genres Iron Maiden fall into, as there seems to be a lot of arguing on the page. I think the three current genres sum Maiden up best - Heavy metal, NWOBHM and Hard Rock. The other ones that are repeatedly cropping up are progressive metal, classic metal, power metal and speed metal, although I especially disagree with the last two. Thoughts? --Mark (Talk) 15:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I go for Heavy metal and NWOBHM only. Iron Maiden have a lot of influences from other genres, and some of their songs have elements that incidentally could be labeled as progressive metal, classic metal, speed metal and Hard Rock, but those influences should stay out of a strict genre definition. Additionally, I think both terms are the universally recognised main genres where the band is usually labeled, thus being excellent candidates for consensus --  · Ravenloft ·  · (talk) ·  19:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HM and NWOBHM are enough. The rest are either false or just simple superfluity. 156.34.222.15 19:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with both of you. --Mark (Talk) 22:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree. Iron Maiden are a hard rock band. Even if they achieved their greatest success during the 80's when metal was extremely popular, they were mainly popular with (older) rock fans who didn't like trash metal and who preferred normal hard rock music. Throughout the 80's many critics thought of them (and their contemporaries Marillion) as oldfashioned and outdated who played progressive hardrock ten years after its popularity, and got away with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.109.248.173 (talk) 08:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Heavy metal and NWOBHM are the only 2 genres that should be in the infobox. Technically NWOBHM isn't even a genre - it's an era, but IM are tied to it so closely that it might as well stay. Classic metal is one of those "teenage twit" genre labels invented to try and appease young people who can't grasp that heavy metal started in the 60s and not the 80s. Prog metal shouldn't be used simply because the band have never played Prog metal in their entire career. Keep it simple it's just an infobox. Heavy metal/NWOBHM and that's it. Fair Deal 14:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agree with the above; keep it as Heavy metal and NWOBHM. It's template guidelines to give the most general genres and discuss others the band may be associated with in the article to avoid confusion. ĤĶ51→Łalk 21:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Please, they are DEFINITELY prog metal. Even Nicko McBrain admitted it . Matt-san 11:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He never uses the term Progressive metal in his interview. He makes a comment about one album containing "progressive stuff" and that's it. And the album he's commenting on is not a progressive album in any way. Even with elements of, as he calls it 'progressive stuff', the album is still a straight heavy metal album. The band's first 2 albums contained "punk stuff"... but they certainly weren't a punk band. Any genre other than heavy metal and NWOBHM is just superfluity and clutter. Previous concensus is still the best way to convey the information. 156.34.142.110 12:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe their later work is very much "progressive metal" by the wikipedia definition. If Queensryche are considered pioneers of the progressive metal genre then Iron Maiden's later works fit, and they are also listed on "Progarchives"(One of the biggest prog sites). It would make sense to put "progressive metal" on their later albums. Zanders5k 03:27, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Progarchives is an amateur fansite and and does not make for a good source. Read WP:RS. Professional publications and books are good references not online fanzines and webzines which are rampant with copyright violations. 202.160.48.156 04:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree with you anyway, as I don't personally think they're much of a progressive metal band. But even if their more recent albums are progressive metal, it's still not really appropriate to put the genre on the band page as that. The only term that really describes them for the duration of their career is "heavy metal" and I think that should be it. Maybe you can get a consenses to call some of their waftier albums (I'm thinking The X Factor or A Matter of Life And Death) prog metal if you really wanted to, but it's still not a great word to put on the band page since it simply doesn't describe a large amount of their material. ~ mazca talk 20:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The problem with progressive metal is that it is wrong and does not apply to them. Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 09:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

text: For a catalog the size of Iron Maiden's they have, perhaps, 2 or 3 songs that could be compared, incorrectly, to progressive metal. But that would be an incorrect comparison as they are simply a heavy metal band and their music refects that they are a very straight forward, and very good, heavy metal band. They have no albums that could be classed as progressive metal even in the slightest. Also note that Scorpions have never released a glam metal album in their catalog. Perhaps you should review what progressive metal and glam metal are as, from your post, you appear to have absolutely no understanding of what those 2 heavy metal sub-styles are. You are correct that NWOBHM is not a genre. So at least you're not batting .000. Libs (talk) 00:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre(s)

message: I think that splitting it up album by album's too much. I also think that it should be split up differently. While I am aware Dickinson's arrival was the most important lineup change, I think 'Early Days' should cover the first three albums. Following this we should have the Piece of Mind - Seventh Son lineup's albums. I know it only removes one divider, but I still think it would be a valid change.
If people approve this, perhaps others too? We could easily put Iron Maiden/Killers under one heading, Piece of Mind/Powerslave, Somewhere in Time/Seventh Son, No Prayer for the Dying/Fear of the Dark and The X Factor/Virtual XI. Why? There's few major changes during those times, particularly to the band's sound. Since the reunion is worth of it's own paragraph and the newest album (it's their most critically acclaimed since Seventh Son, and sales are the highest they've been in a long time) too I suppose Dance of Death should get one. Unless someone thinks we can stick it into the 'reunion' paragraph.
Early Days, Classic Era, Troubled Times, The Blaze Bayley Era, Reunion and A Matter of Life and Death/Recent Events as dividers?
(The Elfoid 00:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many dividers?

message: Just a forewarning - I'm gonna make this article less biased and more streamlined towards IMPORTANT details since it's bloated a bit. One paragraph per album is excessive given they each have their own page. (The Elfoid 19:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Significant Edits Imminent

message: "A successful North American and European tour followed, during which they played the album in its entirety, a first for the band. The band have announced that a live album recorded from this tour will be released"
This seems a little off, as I believe Powerslave was also played in its entirety but I'm not sure. The quote is not cited anyways, just wanting some clarification. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.166.228.229 (talk) 00:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my knowledge, it was the first time they played it entirely live (ie in order), however I could be wrong. Mark (Talk) 18:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A Matter Of Life and Death

message: Although Iron Maiden are a heavy metal band, influenced by Thin Lizzy and Deep Purple, their earlier music had punk overtones...
I am referring to this line here. Is it really necessary? I for one do not hear their earlier music as being punk music.. — Prodigenous Zee - 15:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree. The line has often confused me.  Agent Blightsoot 15:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll be removing it if nobody opposes. — Prodigenous Zee - 04:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Remove! Maurauth (talktome)(wha?) 11:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only thing that was punk about early Maiden was the vocals on the first 2 albums.--E tac 20:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A record label approached them saying they sounded kinda punky and their singer was punky, and they'd get signed if they went "full punk". And the band mentioned how Paul Di'Anno looked and sounded very punk too. He exaggerated this later, so it probably comes through in lyrics he wrote too. Music journalists on the Early Days DVD mention them sounding punkier too. (The Elfoid 18:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. I'll change it accordingly. — Prodigenous Zee - 08:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:OR unless there's a reliable source? ≈ Maurauth (09F9) 18:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Punk overtones?

message: Shouldn't the torture device get priority over the band? Don't get me wrong, I love Iron Maiden and Heavy Metal, but the historical significance of the torture device seems to outrule a band, no matter how badass...Cameron Nedland 13:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The band is much more notable than the torture device, there are so many more people searching for the band when inputting Iron Maiden, than are searching for the historical torture device. ≈ Maurauth (talktome)(wha?) 13:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, searching for 'Iron maiden' gives the torture device. 'Iron Maiden' gives the band, thats how it should work giving priority to the torture device. ≈ Maurauth (talktome)(wha?) 18:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alrighty then.Cameron Nedland 19:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How many torture devices sell 85 million albums? :P (The Elfoid 18:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After listening to their recent stuff, I'm starting to think about merging the articles. -- Stormwatch (talk) 22:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Perhaps going out on a lmb, but i think the first album demonstrated what happens when you combine 70's prog influences (harris) with punk attitude and energy (Dianno, Murray). Intentional or not, the first album does sound sort of punkish... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.230.27 (talk) 04:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Maiden have announced a new tour Matter of the beast. Combination of The Number of the Beast (25 years since release) and new album AMOLAD. Should this be added somewhere??
Vulcan5978 19:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Tour

message: The article says:
: The tour's US leg was marred by controversy stemming from an American right-wing political pressure group that claimed Iron Maiden was Satanic because of the new album's title track
Was the tour really "marred" by that controversy? If anything it probably gave the band free publicity. thx1138 09:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Saw a documentary on the making of the album and Dickinson described how at one concert a person was walking around carrying a cross. The yanks also burned their fair share of Maiden records. However, wether that guy with a cross was just a sole incident and wether the outcry caused by the album(-cover and misunderstood lyrics) had any baring on the tour itself is difficult to say. Some references would be helpful. -TheHande 16:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of the Beast

message: Whoever keeps listing that Michael Kenney has been playing keyboards with Iron Maiden since 1988 STOP. He has been playing keyboards with Iron Maiden since 1990. Alterego269 23:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be Mr. 156.34.xxx.xxx. He has no class or tact, and personally, I think he's a drain on the community-spirit of Wikipedia because he refuses to work with people about differences. However, he is right on this. Michael Kenney was part of the Seventh Son of a Seventh Son tour in 1988. I have several dozen bootlegs of the Seventh Tour in which Bruce introduces him to the crowd. Darthrya 23:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

text: There weren't keys on the SIT tour. The band used guitar synths. Darthrya 06:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Same on stage as on the album. Your original question had me second guessing myself! I had to confer with my fellow live show experts and review some of the videos and audio recordings in my collection. darthrya 21:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael Kenney

message: The article states the 'Bring Your Daughter..' was sold in multiple formats with different b-sides. To be fair this just repeats what I have read in several other places, but I am concerned it is something that has been quoted so often it has become true, despite the fact (I believe) it is not.
What is true is that the single was released in the UK in a number of different formats, 6 in total, if my memory serves me correctly (which would actually make it inelligable for the chart under today's rules). 7 and 12 inch versions, 7 and 12 inch picture discs, casette and CD. It is also true that the 7" and 7" picture discs had different cover artwork.
However there were not, as I recall, multiple B-sides. The 7", 7" pic disc and casette all had 2 tracks (B-side was 'I'm a Mover'), the 12", 12" pic disc and CD had the addition 3rd track 'Communication Breakdown'. This seems to be confirmed by the article on the single itself. In terms of the number of tracks Maiden had followed this format since the '2 Minutes to Midnight' single.
The first occurence of completely different b-sides on different formats occured with the (relatively unsuccessful) single 'From Here to Eternity'(I Can't See My Feeling was on the picture disc, but not on the CD which had 3 completely different b-sides.
I will willingly admit to being wrong if someone has a copy of the BYD single with another track on it, but otherwise this should be changed Sanctuary73 16:23, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Bring Your Daughter..." B-sides

message: When searching "Iron Maiden" it now goes directly to the torture device page, despite that having a) less interest in it b) not even the main name (this page isn't even "Iron Maiden (Band)". I can see why a disambiguation page may be ok for the first page when searching, but not the torture device surely? Lethesl 12:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hmm

message: "Iron Maiden are a band"? No, Iron Maiden is a band, a single entity, it is something. How about fixing the article to the more logical way? I mean, "The Beatles are a band", that's right because the name is in plural, and since each member is a Beatle, together they are The Beatles; but in this case here, you can not say that each member is a Maiden (which would sound very awkward anyway). Just my 2 cents. - Stormwatch 18:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your argument, but it's simply a convention of British English that band's are referred to as 'are'. I don't know why and how this developed, but for me, being British, this is second nature and anything else - such as the US 'Iron Maiden is...' sounds wrong to me and I expect most other Britons. And since the article discusses a British band, WP:ENGVAR dictates that British English spelling, grammar and style is used. Thanks, Mark (Talk) 20:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: No your example is misleading, as you are meaning "the many shades that we can call 'red', so one can say "reds are colours", which I believe is correct, at least in British-English speaking countries. A more aposite example of a phrase would be "personnel are involved". The guidance WP:ENGVAR is there for good reason, (it states "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation uses the appropriate variety of English for that nation." I suggest taking this talk there instead of splintering opinion into individual pages editors to check the consensus on this. I also checked against a colleague for current British usage by asking him to add the correct parsing of the verb 'to be' in the sentence "Pink Floyd a band" - after some moments he replied "are" I asked him why not "is" he says "certain nouns are automatically plural"--Alf melmac 06:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

text: This is the English Wikipedia. You know English originated in Britain, right? This isn't just for people who speak American English, it's used by people who speak British English, Australian English etc. - read WP:ENGVAR. Funeral 20:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

text: For whatever reason the US decided to dumb down their English is not for debate here. Every English speaking country in the world uses proper English. And Wikipedia is an international website not just an American one. If the US want to use "Dan Quayle" spelling and grammar then fine. But the rest of the Globe uses correct English and Wikipedia rules cater to that. WP:ENGVAR says Non-US subject=Non-US English. Iron Maiden are British. You would never say "They is a good band isn't they. And they is going on tour." A band is never an "it". A band is a group of people and people are always "they"... and for Iron Maiden... they are a band. Libs (talk) 15:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: English English makes no sense

message: Maiden's reduced success in the 90s is well chronicled. Chart positions are on Wikipedia already, grunge's dominance of the rock scene is generally very accepted. The stuff about Dickinson's voice I'm sure can be proved via citations but I'll accept as possibly dodgy. The rest though...it's all real (The Elfoid 20:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article lost its FA for not being referenced. Rather than adding huge chunks of poorly written original research the goal should be to try and reference all the poorly written original research that the article already has... in abundance. 156.34.209.108 21:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it is. But it still needs to have inline references in order to be added in otherwise its just personal opinion. The article should have the already existing content referenced first. It already reads like it was written as a book report by some slow 17 year kid. It doesn't need anymore fluff or surefluity. 156.34.212.57 04:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: my last edits were deleted?

message: I cited sources from allmusic.com. allmusic is used to help in writeups on albums, describing their reception from the expert musical press. If they're not reliable as a source of information, who the hell is? Descriptions of Iron Maiden's style are hard to find and I found several on the sitehttp://www.apple.com/
Apple that gave some. (The Elfoid 04:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: deleted AGAIN?

message: ===Features in almost all Iron Maiden music===
* Guitar harmonies
* Progressive elements (time changes, tempo movements, complexity of compositions etc)
* Unusual strength of bass (almost like a lead instrument)
* Operatic vocals (Bruce Dickinson-era only)
: Bah! I object to the term "operatic". Seems it's applied to any heavy metal singer who can hold a note for more than 3 seconds. Bear in mind I think Bruce is one of metal's best vocalists and Maiden has been my favorite band for over 20 years, but the term is just asinine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.58.248.33 (talk) 18:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Iron Maiden Sound Description Paragraph

message: * Guitar harmonies
* Progressive elements (time changes, tempo movements, complexity of compositions etc)
* Unusual strength of bass (almost like a lead instrument)
* Operatic vocals (Bruce Dickinson-era only)
: Bah! I object to the term "operatic". Seems it's applied to any heavy metal singer who can hold a note for more than 3 seconds. Bear in mind I think Bruce is one of metal's best vocalists and Maiden has been my favorite band for over 20 years, but the term is just asinine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.58.248.33 (talk) 18:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Features in almost all Iron Maiden music

message: Editors may wish to comment above, the intention of that article is to move Iron maiden (torture device) to Iron maiden, and move Iron Maiden to Iron Maiden (Heavy metal band). ≈ Maurauth (Ravenor) 09:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iron_maiden_%28torture_device%29#Requested_move

message: The last paragraphs referencing the new tour are not very faithful to what Iron Maiden official page says. I think it should be revised. 80.28.202.37 10:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Somewhere Back In Time

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Support - as nominator. Reginmund 17:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *It's very different from your examples. None of those bands are the primary meaning for their respective search term, but this one is. See my comment below for more. Prolog 17:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Even though, I do not believe in the evil King Odmontius, I do believe that Iron Maiden Will rule the world of heavy metal for 3000 years. Master Redyva (talk) 19:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, lol. But it was still vandalism and had to be removed. Also, why isn't this article a featured one anymore and what would need to be done to turn it back into one? Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 19:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: The FotD section claims that "From Here to Eternity" is the fourth installment in the Charlotte the Harlot saga.
I challenge this claim.
"Hooks in You" is not part of the saga. Other than a reference to "number 22" there is no relation to Charlotte.
Furthermore, the line "I got the keys to view at number 22" indicates a real estate viewing of an empty house.
Even if it is a reference to 22 Acacia Avenue, Charlotte is long gone.
The song is certainly not part of a saga, but merely an oblique reference.
This would make "From Here to Eternity" the THIRD installment of the saga. At least here she's mentioned by name. Wcudmore (talk) 18:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All the above is true. Can't remember the source, but Bruce himself said in an interview that "Hooks in You" isn't about Charlotte, but instead about a piece of real estate that had a lot of chains and S&M fixtures. Ynot4tony (talk) 19:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Charlotte The Harlot. - Number of Installments?

message: Should the "Influence" portion of the article be deleted? The language of the section leaves a little something to be desired (esp. for an encyclopedia) and the lack of sources make it look like a paragraph in a "bottom shelf" metal magazine at the local convenience store. It's just a laundry list of metal bands. Master Redyva ♠ 19 December 2007.
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I deleted the entire "Influence" section for two reasons:
1. It was not well documented and contained some non-factual information.
2. It was not well written.
Mikepope (talk) 02:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''QUESTION about "Influence"''

message: I see there is a reference, and I've read it, and it says more than 100 million albums, but that seemed waaay too much, and I think it is actually an overstatement. This source for example: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003684293 says it is approx. 70 million albums. And it is dated to December 12, 2007, so quite a fresh source. Gocsa (talk) 01:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Album sales

message: I just watched a special on VH1, 1/25/08, about 9pm cst. It was a 4 part series on the History of heavy metal. I believe I was watching Part II which contained info on Iron Maiden. They gave the reason for the original singer's replacement as a result of his lack of abilities*--vocal range, showmanship, etc.-- rather than his cocaine use/abuse. I don't even remember them saying anything about his use of cocaine.
If I missed this info in the Wikipedia article, I apologize for not reading more deeply.
This post is not associated with an edit/change to the subject page. I am not an editor. I just wanted to propose the inclusion of this particular viewpoint-which inspired me to listen to the band more than any other influence.
* I don't see this as "negative material about living persons." I am more interested in how many different views of "the facts" there are.
75.133.168.137 (talk) 08:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal: Reason for relplacing the original lead singer

message: This space is reserved for Painbearer's rationale on why the IM article should be changed as drastically as he is recommending. Once we have that rationale we can, as a community, decide via WP:CONSENSUS on whether or not those changes will be advantageous for the article. Scarian Call me Pat 15:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If I may add a comment. My personal POV is that A) the removal of all the album title sub-headers was a good thing. B) Moving the peacock praisings and accolades up into the lead section was not a good thing. I have no opinion on the removal of the "album related fine details"... they were cited content and cited content has some weight BUT... it may have been content better suited for the album articles and not the band article. Someone else may comment on that. All those sub-headers and sub-sub-headers... that edit did not offend me any at all. 156.34.142.110 (talk) 16:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Your way? As someone who is just passing by (after reading some comment about Iron Maiden and Wikipedia), I wonder where consensus is with your comment (anyone who comes by here and finds no discussion about what you are referring will likely think the same). -- ReyBrujo (talk) 17:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Painbearer/Madhatter please do not set ultimatums. That is not the way things work here at Wikipedia. They're incredibly unconstructive. I may opt for a WP:RfC because of your behaviour citing this instance as an example. Scarian Call me Pat 03:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Regards: Mad Hatter (talk) 07:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Painbearer's/Mad Hatter's changes

message: "Heavy metal has long had a worldwide following of fans known as "metalheads" or "headbangers". Although early heavy metal bands such as Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple attracted large audiences, they were often critically reviled at the time, a status common throughout the history of the genre. In the mid-1970s, Judas Priest helped spur the genre's evolution by discarding much of its blues influence. The New Wave of British Heavy Metal followed in a similar vein, introducing a punk rock sensibility and an increasing emphasis on speed." This is from the Wikipedia page Heavy metal music. I hope this helps. 66.162.207.31 (talk) 19:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A) That text says nothing about it being a genre and... more importantly.. B) Wikipedia can never be used as a citation for itself. Along with WP:RS try reading WP:CITE and WP:V. 156.34.220.124 (talk) 21:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Heavy metal music]]

message: Shouldn't there be articles on the bands tours? Escpically For somewhere back in time?
:What, such as Somewhere Back In Time World Tour, Brave New World Tour, World Slavery Tour? They're there already! ~ mazca talk 22:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tours?

message: I noticed that someone has edited "years active" to: "Last Thursday - present"
Is it someone who's joking about it, or have I missed something?--80.203.75.2 (talk) 13:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Years active

message: Paragraph 2 in the "History of Rock" section is a very large, impenetrable block of text. Good for hitting someone over the head with, but difficult to read. I strongly suggest that someone who actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to Iron Maiden (in other words, someone who isn't me) edits/rewrites this textual roadblock. --MQDuck 17:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: History of Rock