Talk:Azerbaijani SS volunteer formations

message: There has never been any SS legion of Azeris  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrkan (talk • contribs) 10:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: The article should be immediately removed

message: Not a part of the above discussion... I noted that the image of the patch/insignia does not match the textual description, which is blue-red-blue with a crescent and a five-pointed star. The patch I see is blue-red-green, with a crescent and an eight-pointed star. My inclination is to do a minor edit to make the textual description conform to the image... unless I'm misunderstanding, and the patch described in the text is something other than what the image shows. Anyone who knows is encouraged to enlighten me on this... Xenophon777 19:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Description of Insignia

message: This article is created by the sock of the banned user with certain motives. I have not seen any source that mentions any SS-Waffengruppe Aserbaidschan. There was a Turkestani unit, which had volunteers from Muslim people of USSR, and I suggest to move this article to Turkestani Waffen SS or whatever the correct title is. --Grandmaster 07:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For now I reverted the article to the version that existed before the banned user started editing it. Grandmaster 11:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What type of rationale is that? You havent heard of it therefore an entire article must be wiped out? There are sourced statements within this article. Also, the version you reverted to also says Waffen SS, so I dont see the logic in simply removing a bunch of information to revert to another simpler version that still says Waffen SS, except with any detail.Hajji Piruz 15:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Banned users are not allowed to edit Wikipedia in any form, their edits are considered vandalism and should be reverted regardless of their quality. You know the rules, yet you support the banned user by restoring his edits. --Grandmaster 16:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I second Fedayee, as of right now we don't know if Azizbekov was a sock, and if he was, we don't know who the sockpuppeteer was. That leaves a very small possibility of him being a genuine new user, and being wrongfully blocked as a sock puppet. VartanM 23:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sockpuppeteer is Fadix. Azizbekov’s IP points to Vancouver. Enough said. Edits of banned users should be reverted on spot regardless if they are good or bad. That’s what the rules require. --Grandmaster 05:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did you get Azizbekov's IP? and Fadix isn't the only person living in Vancouver, thats if he actually lives in Vancouver. I think this whole sock thing needs to be cleared out before we can continue. It was a big mistake on the administrators part not to revile who the sockpuppeteer was before banning him. VartanM 05:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  He forgot to login when editing this article, and Fadix lives in Canada by his own admission. Obvious case. Grandmaster 06:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  Show me one source that uses the term “Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations”. This article is clearly POV and OR, as there’s no source ever mentioning any formation with such a name. There was Turkestani unit of SS, where Azeris were also included along with other Muslims of former USSR. --Grandmaster 05:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no interest in searching Azeri SS, and my interest in this article and subject is zero. I'm only here because somehow you're trying to connect this to Armenians, which is a assumption of bad faith on your part. VartanM 05:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I’m not trying to connect this to Armenians, you are assuming bad faith by making such claims. Grandmaster 06:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't I who registered at a white supremacist site to search for Armenian Legion. VartanM 06:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did not. And what if I did, that’s not against the Wikipedia rules. But the link was given to me by someone over the email. He is not Azeri, btw. He is just another Wikipedia editor. And the point was not connecting this to Armenians, the point was to clarify that people in the picture were not Azeris. Grandmaster 06:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here you're reverting to Atabek who added that Armenians and Georgians were involved too, clearly trying to connect Armenians to it. I wont even mention the garbage web site you used as a reference. VartanM 07:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  So what? What’s wrong with mentioning that such units were formed from other people of South Caucasus as well? It is an accurate info. Grandmaster 07:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is an accurate information but like Alex Bakharev said it wasn't only the Armenians, Georgians and Azerbaijanis. Others from USSR joined too. Information about Armenian and Georgian involvement in the Nazi Germany has no place in History of Azerbaijan article. Also the choice of the reference was in bad faith. VartanM 08:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: Azizbekov is a sock of a banned user. By Wikipedia rules, banned users should not be editing the article, so Hajji Piruz, Pejman47, stop readding the material added by a sock. 
VartanM and Fedayee, please, follow WP:SOCK before commenting. If you have questions regarding sockpuppeteer, this should clear them . The comment made by an admin clearly says: "obvious cases don't need a checkuser", that is listed are Fadix, Artaxiad and Robert599. 
I would think a better approach would be to actually do research and contribute to article with references, rather than defend edits by a sock. Atabek 05:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Artaxiad is a white supremacist adherent who would pride himself documenting Armenian association, NOT Azerbaijani and you're insane (no insult intended, don't report me) if you think this could be Fadix. The only person who could have done it is Robert but the administrators have suspected Artaxiad instead which I doubt could be the case. It is also very plausible that, like he's said, he is just an IP user who happened to register to post. - Fedayee 05:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is what the arbcom clerk told me:  So edits of sock accounts should be reverted, and I’m sure that it is Fadix based on location. --Grandmaster 07:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure, Moon is made out of cheese, but I have no proof. I believe your speculation that Azizbekov was Fadix is wrong. --VartanM 07:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Banned user

message: After some researches I have deleted the very dubious "Hans Thieme, an intelligence lieutenant of the 203rd Division"
"The Azerbaijani battalion or the “infamous plunderer’s brigade of Kaminski“
Unfortunately ,no Azerbaijani under Kaminsky orders.They were 1,700 soldiers of the Waffen-SS Brigade RONA (Russkaya Osvoboditelnaya Narodnaya Armiya), a Russian collaborating force headed by Waffen Brigadeführer Bronislaw Kaminski. The RONA brigade, at the time of the Warsaw Uprising, was comprised mostly of Russians with Belorussian and Ukrainian minorities. Most were volunteers, ex-POWs, and Red Army deserters.
When Warsaw uprising broke on August 1, 1944 RONA was stationed in Silesia (vicinity of Rattibor - Raciborz) and Muensingen manoeuver/training ground in Wurttemberg. On August 2nd, 1700 of unmarried men has been selected for action in Warsaw with 2 regiments supplied with 2x122mm and 2x76mm guns formed out of them. It operated, under the operational command of deputy Brig.Staff Major Yuri Frolov, mostly in Ochota district area, then closed in to the center of the city (Dzieciatka Jezus hospital at Nowogrodzka Street)
Wola killings were mostly inflicted by elements of Kampfgruppe Reinefarth that assaulted the area held by the insurgents from the west. 
It is hard to determine which specific units are to be held responsible but the main 'cleansing' tasks has been assigned to Angriffsgruppe Dirlewanger with following forces: 
2 Grenadier Batallions (I & II) of SS Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger 
+ Aserbeidschanische Feld Bataillon I./111 (com. Hptm. Werner Scharrenberg) 
+ Ostmuselmanisches SS Regiment (without Batallion III) 
II Btl. "Bergmann" - [without 7. Komp.] Ltn. Mertelsmann 
Gendermerie Operationsgruppe Walter (2 gendarmerie Komp.) 
Komp. I & II of Aserb. Feld Btl. I/111 
Anti-aircraft battery of 80th Regiment 
Sturmpanzer-Kompanie z.b.V. 218 [8x Brummbär] Hptm. Kellmann 
1/2 of machine gun 4.Kompanie of Aserb. Feld Btl. I/111 
1. Platoon of 654. Pioniere Batallion 
1 KRONE flamethrower unit (8x Flammenwerfer 41) 
 Souce http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/niemcy%20_w_powstaniu_warszaws2.htm#reck
but also Munoz book about Dirlewanger and "Der Osttürkische Waffen-Verband der SS". Roland Pfeiffer
26/08/07Zulfugar 11:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the link to deleted image. Grandmaster 10:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  KAMINSKY or DIRLEWANGER 

message: Why does anyone think that these make good external links? Even worse, most of them are in forran people babble, not English. Hermione is a dude (talk) 05:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Livejournals and forums

message: Most of the unrelevant stuff added by Zulfugar fellow will be removed in a day or two. If no-one objects. --VartanM (talk) 19:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? He significantly improved this article. --Grandmaster (talk) 06:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unrelevant

message: please assess the verifiability of the claims and edit history of this article as it seems the editing has been less then neutral--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 14:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The source for this are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_divisions in the top of the page. --Wis (talk) 14:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article in bad need of an expert 

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