Talk:List of assassinated people from Turkey

message: ==Contributions==
I will work on this page gradually. Thanks in advance for your contributions. Caspase 20:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the word of terrorist is deleted per WP:WTA.  Andranikpasha (talk) 16:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

text: M. Kemal was just another fascist-like dictator like Salazar, Mussolini and several others in Latvia, Lituania or elsewhere in the 'interwar' period. He established a dictatorship whose effects are still there nowadays, cf. the Deep State, the Ergenekon trial etc. But he has been made a sort of nationalist god for Turkish chauvinists by the brainwashing in Turkish schools and in most Turkish medias. Sabaettin Ali was a victim of this fascist-like dictatorship, but there were many others, including during the anti-Kurdish repression. --Pylambert (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So he is a facist for you and not for me. There is no common understanding or concensus of him being a dictator. Calling him a dictator is highly speculative and seems to be your personal idea (as not calling him is my personal idea). Since this is not a "fact" but just individual comment of his acivities, you cannot call him a dictator in a Wikipedia article.By the way your repetitive reference to "chauvenism" and "brainwashing" is irritating. In my comment above, I have given the link of a UN & UNESCO resolution. I hope you don't think that they are brainwashed chauvenist as well. İyivikiler... ho? ni! 05:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Declarations by UN or UNESCO have no scientific value, they're just diplomatic statements, made to please one or another member when it suits the others. All objective books by scientific historians (I do not include among historians or scientists the propagandists Yusuf Halacoglu and the rest of the so-called "Turkish Historical Society") describe M. Kemal as a "benevolent dictator", "a virtual dictator", a "dictator in fact". De-kemalisation (including the dismantling of M.K.'s statues, like Lenin's and Stalin's is former USSR) is a prerequisite for any real democratization of Turkey. And this is not a lonely personal statement, but in Turkey such a statement is forbidden by law and would send his author in jail. The Kemalist totalitarian regime even codified which dress people could or could not wear, like Kim Il Sung who decided what color a kitchen had to be.--Pylambert (talk) 08:43, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Unfortunatelly user had left WP. I deleted the two sections. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: I will work on this page gradually. Thanks in advance for your contributions. Caspase 20:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Contributions

message: I would say the murder of Üzeyir Garih, which was a result of affection rather than planned, can not be considered as an assassination because it does not meet the criteria as explained in the definition. So, we better drop it. CeeGee 13:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the word of terrorist is deleted per WP:WTA.  Andranikpasha (talk) 16:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Üzeyir Garih 

message: Since there is no shortage of assassinations in Turkey, I propose that we concentrate on unsolved murders. --Adoniscik(t, c) 18:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to rename and repurpose 

message: Since the name "Turkey" refers to a republic at this moment, it is more appropriate to drop the "Mustafa Suphi" paragraph which obviously had taken place before 1923, when "Turkey" was established. Otherwise, all previous assasinated people like those in the Ottoman empire, Roman empire, or Hittites' time should be mentioned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.239.231.133 (talk) 17:56, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time Issues 

message: I think this does not comply with WP:NPOV. From one point of view, a ruler of military origin who runs the country under a one-party regime may be considered as a dictator. On the other hand, we may say that he is the one who established the parliment and the republic, who fought for his nation's freedom and who couraged some MP's to establish opposition parties (Progressive Republican Party (Turkey) and Liberal Republican Party (Turkey)). Furthermore, Atatürk was never defined as a dictator by majority of historians (like Hitler) or trialed for his activities (like Pinochet).
Here, my aim is not to discuss how democratic or liberal Turkey is (which I would personally challange as well). What I say is it is not that easy to categorize Atatürk as a dictator just like that. Some of his actions or decisions may seem to be dictator-like according to how you read them. But anyhow, we cannot ignore that he is a national hero who received international recognition "as an example for future generations" as well. İyivikiler... ho? ni! 13:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: M. Kemal was just another fascist-like dictator like Salazar, Mussolini and several others in Latvia, Lituania or elsewhere in the 'interwar' period. He established a dictatorship whose effects are still there nowadays, cf. the Deep State, the Ergenekon trial etc. But he has been made a sort of nationalist god for Turkish chauvinists by the brainwashing in Turkish schools and in most Turkish medias. Sabaettin Ali was a victim of this fascist-like dictatorship, but there were many others, including during the anti-Kurdish repression. --Pylambert (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So he is a facist for you and not for me. There is no common understanding or concensus of him being a dictator. Calling him a dictator is highly speculative and seems to be your personal idea (as not calling him is my personal idea). Since this is not a "fact" but just individual comment of his acivities, you cannot call him a dictator in a Wikipedia article.By the way your repetitive reference to "chauvenism" and "brainwashing" is irritating. In my comment above, I have given the link of a UN & UNESCO resolution. I hope you don't think that they are brainwashed chauvenist as well. İyivikiler... ho? ni! 05:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Declarations by UN or UNESCO have no scientific value, they're just diplomatic statements, made to please one or another member when it suits the others. All objective books by scientific historians (I do not include among historians or scientists the propagandists Yusuf Halacoglu and the rest of the so-called "Turkish Historical Society") describe M. Kemal as a "benevolent dictator", "a virtual dictator", a "dictator in fact". De-kemalisation (including the dismantling of M.K.'s statues, like Lenin's and Stalin's is former USSR) is a prerequisite for any real democratization of Turkey. And this is not a lonely personal statement, but in Turkey such a statement is forbidden by law and would send his author in jail. The Kemalist totalitarian regime even codified which dress people could or could not wear, like Kim Il Sung who decided what color a kitchen had to be.--Pylambert (talk) 08:43, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mustafa Kemal's dictatorship 

message: In this list two entries are redundant: Maraş and Sivas massacres. Assassination is a crime in which a specific person is killed. Sivas and  Maraş events (as the names imply) were massacres rather than assassination, because the murderes didn't aim at a specific person. (Besides,  there were many similar events in other cities in 1970s. ) Thus these two entries need to be cleared out. I'll call the editor. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:43, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunatelly user had left WP. I deleted the two sections. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
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