Talk:Lugger

message: In the section "Types of lugsail" there are several statements that I would challenge:
1) The standing lug is not always kept on one side of the mast, except for in small boats or on the tiny mizzens of 3-masted vessels. In the chasse-marées mentioned on this page with 2 masts usually set a standing lug on the aftermost mast to windward. This actually improved the performance of the sail because it benefitted more from the straight and rigid luff that resulted. Setting the sail to leeward as one would a dipping lug causes more belly in the sail and more bow in the mast. So, dipping lug forward set to leeward, standing lug aft set to windward. Coming about required both sails to be "dipped". See "Ar Vag", by Bernard Cadoret, Dominique Duviard, Jacques Guillet and Henry Kérisit;  editions du Chasse-Marée 2003 pp. 106-107.
2) The second paragraph implies that while dipping lugs require a tack downhaul, standing lugs do not. In fact, all lugsails of every type big and small require a means of tensioning the luff and the most common means is by that of a downhaul on the tack. Some rigs omit this and rely on the halyard to tension the luff, but this is not as effective or versatile. In the case of the chasse-marées, the dipping lug forward (called the mizzen because the standing lug aft is the main) has no downhaul on the tack, and relies on the use of a stick called the marlink to stretch a line that runs the length of the luff. The standing lug main, however, has a tack downhaul. Again, see "Ar Vag", p. 59
: It isn't called the mizzen. The French word for "mizzen" is "l'artimon". It is called "la misaine", meaning "the foresail" ("the foremast" is "le mât de misaine"). Beware of false friends. — Tonymec (talk) 22:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contentious points 

message: There seems to be a mistake about French terminology. French voile aurique, gréement aurique mean a gaff sail, a gaff rig, respectively (i.e., a sail whose front side hangs from the mast). In a slightly wider sense, un gréement aurique can mean any fore-and-aft rig (including modern Marconi rigs, where the "gaff" is reduced to a metallic plate which is part of the triangular sail's top point). To mean a gaff sail but not a Marconi sail one would then say une voile à corne ("la corne" being "the gaff"). A lug sail is une voile au tiers (wfw. a one-third sail); similarly un gréement au tiers for a lug rig. — Tonymec (talk) 22:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name 

message: "A Sailing Fifie, showing the main dipping lug and the mizzen standing lug. This picture of a Fifie more clearly shows the difference in the position of the tack (lower forward corner of the sail) as between a standing lug (here, the mizzen) and dipping lug (here, the main). These yards are shown set to the port sides of the masts.
The description here appears to be wrong.   The dipping lug sail is on the mast to the left in the drawing,  which is the mizzen-mast.    The standing lug sail is on the mast to the right,  which is the mainmast.    The FRONT of this boat is on the right side of the picture.   The thing which looks like a bowsprit is actually at the BACK in the this case.    Look at the RUDDER.Eregli bob (talk) 21:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No - the picture and its description are correct.  You are correct in pointing out that the left end of the picture is the stern of the vessel.  However, you state "The dipping lug sail is on the mast to the left in the drawing" and "The standing lug sail is on the mast to the right", but it is the other way around.  The left most (stern most - mizzen) is a standing lug, as the tack is attached to the mast.  Zed Orkin (talk) 14:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious description 

message: There's now a separate page Lug sail for the sail/rig. This leaves Lugger for the small lug-rigged multi-masters. Topics like history of the vessel type, noteworthy specimen, and comparison of the vessels used in different countries could be added here. Mysha (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 13:30, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lug sail 

message: There is no cited source to state that a lugger has to have 2 or more masts. I now find that The Chatham Directory of Inshore Craft has at least one example of a traditional working vessel, with a single mast and called a "lugger". This example is the Emsworth Lugger. It can be found on pages 117-118 of this reference.
Therefore I have deleted any implication in the article that a lugger has to have 2 or more masts.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single masted lugger