Talk:Masters of Horror

message: I propose that the episode list be merged back into the main article, since it shouldn't cause much of a length issue and it's absense harms the article. Artw (talk) 05:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Strongly oppose - this is a 26 episode series. It is very appropiate that the episode list be separate from the main article and is totally in keeping with the Television Manual of Style. Its absence does not harm this article in any way shape for form. Putting it back here would be what would harm this article. If you actually like this series, why not actually put new content into this article instead of wanting to just take it back to its previous bad shape? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it isn't sensible and it violates the TV MOS. And just because you agree doesn't mean you get to just undo the split and remove all the tags. This discussion isn't even 24 hours old for Pete's sake. You disagree with the episode articles being merged, fine, but keep the damn discussions separate. I fail to see how you can actually think that horrible little episode list with such scant details that was in this article is someone much better than the properly formatted separate episode list with the actual info, a real lead, and other missing info like the writer and airdates. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

text: (Coming here from WT:TV#Masters of Horror Help Needed). Why can't there be the best of both worlds and the episode list (as it is here) gets merged back into the main article? Both articles are about 12kB, so size limits aren't a concern. Neither is notability, since ep lists are de-facto AfD-safe. The article of Carnivàle (24 eps) had its ep list in the main article for the longest time until the 50kB level was reached, so I suggest this route also as a middle ground. (Can't find a discussion about the single ep mergers, where I would have said redirect unless the eps were either nom'ed for an Emmy or demonstated several paragraphs of real-world info.) – sgeureka t•c 15:26, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the episode list at List of Masters of Horror episodes be merged here? This article has more than enough source material to be better than it is, but no one has bothered working on it in ages, and when someone finally did (me), it ends in them being attacked and vilified for it. I found dozens of sources on this series to add more production info, reception info, etc. but haven't bothered doing the rest because of all the mess over the episode list. For the discussion on the mergers, Talk:List of Masters of Horror episodes#Episodes was a psuedo discussion. An official one wasn't started because all of these pages appeared abandoned until someone actually started working on them. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

text: The episode list is completely AFD safe nor is it a WP:CFORK. YOu disagree with the idea of episode lists, go AfD every last featured one first. And please, take it to AfD and get laughed away. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge in episode list 

message: I noticed that this article has been fully protected and have made inquiries.  The details of this action are here.  This action, initiated by User:AnmaFinotera without discussion or consensus, prevents any of us from editing this article for a week. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus isn't required nor discussion to request protection due to edit warring, edit warring YOU instigated. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:26, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think possibly someone needs to read up on WP:OWN. Artw (talk) 06:06, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, you really should. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I've put in an unprotect request. Something screwy seems to have happened to the record of the original protection though. Artw (talk) 08:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, the article has been unprotected. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: I'll add general sources here, feel free to create subsection of this for specific sources on individual episodes.
* UGO: Has a page offering interviews and reviews 
* DVD Talk: Lots of reviews, especially of the various releases 
* Fangoria: Lots of news and information - you'll need to refine the search down to each episode (as they only return 20 results for any one search) or use Google.
* New York Times: News, reviews other details and Google.
====Homecoming====
Should be an easy one as it was a satire on war at just right the time to get press attention. A quick search gives:
* Dante’s Inferno: The Necessary Satire of Homecoming, Cinema Scope - good overview teasing out the themes and then it also has an interview with Dante.
*Dante's Inferno, Village Voice - a review and look at the themes - includes "easily one of the most important political films of the Bush II era"
*Zombies Attack George Bush, Slate
*Interview with Homecoming Screenwriter Sam Hamm
*The West Wing and the Living Dead: An Interview with Dale Bailey, he is the writer of the original story
*Interview with Joe Dante - mainly on the Screwfly Solution but it contains this "I think it's usually better to be subtle, though the one I did last year, Homecoming, kind of flouts that advice. It's like a hammer hitting you over the head. It's probably the most unsubtle thing I've ever done."
*Views Of Descent: Taking on Movie-Made Iraq, comparison between Homecoming and de Palma's Redacted
*Gore Wins: The politics of horror, Mother Jones, from the May/June 2006 issue - a comparison between the show and other political horror films (like Jacob's Ladder
There are also plenty of good reviews like:
*DVD Talk
*Dawn of the Zombie Jarheads, City Pages
*Review, UGO
*Review, The New Yorker calls it "The best political film of 2005"
Which is quite a good haul for now (the praise almost makes me feel guilty for not liking the episode, almost) - if you find anything else add it in. Note this has been accidentally deleted but I'll restore it tomorrow and we can start adding that in.  (Emperor (talk) 02:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've no restored this: Homecoming (Masters of Horror episode). Feel free to use any of the above you find useful and you can leave further resources over there on the talk page. (Emperor (talk) 18:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Should be an easy one as it was a satire on war at just right the time to get press attention. A quick search gives:
* Dante’s Inferno: The Necessary Satire of Homecoming, Cinema Scope - good overview teasing out the themes and then it also has an interview with Dante.
*Dante's Inferno, Village Voice - a review and look at the themes - includes "easily one of the most important political films of the Bush II era"
*Zombies Attack George Bush, Slate
*Interview with Homecoming Screenwriter Sam Hamm
*The West Wing and the Living Dead: An Interview with Dale Bailey, he is the writer of the original story
*Interview with Joe Dante - mainly on the Screwfly Solution but it contains this "I think it's usually better to be subtle, though the one I did last year, Homecoming, kind of flouts that advice. It's like a hammer hitting you over the head. It's probably the most unsubtle thing I've ever done."
*Views Of Descent: Taking on Movie-Made Iraq, comparison between Homecoming and de Palma's Redacted
*Gore Wins: The politics of horror, Mother Jones, from the May/June 2006 issue - a comparison between the show and other political horror films (like Jacob's Ladder
There are also plenty of good reviews like:
*DVD Talk
*Dawn of the Zombie Jarheads, City Pages
*Review, UGO
*Review, The New Yorker calls it "The best political film of 2005"
Which is quite a good haul for now (the praise almost makes me feel guilty for not liking the episode, almost) - if you find anything else add it in. Note this has been accidentally deleted but I'll restore it tomorrow and we can start adding that in.  (Emperor (talk) 02:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've no restored this: Homecoming (Masters of Horror episode). Feel free to use any of the above you find useful and you can leave further resources over there on the talk page. (Emperor (talk) 18:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Homecoming

message: I've recreated List of Masters of Horror episodes‎ as a redirect, as we have a lot of links going there - over time we should fix these, and probably just remove it. That's probably what should have been done in the first place, but I guess the history and talk page are no great loss. Artw (talk) 07:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are no article links at all going to that list per Special:WhatLinksHere/List_of_Masters_of_Horror_episodes and talk page links are no reason to keep it as a redirect, so I've requested it be CSDed.  -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree - I have contested the speedy deletion (the second one in so many days - I'm not 100% sure of the justification for the first one either as it included edits from half a dozen people). As I said above in the merge discussion (which I'd suggest was a "no consensus") that I'd like to see this expand to the point an episode list was split off and there is nothing intrinsically wrong with an episode list. We may as well have it as a redirect for now. (Emperor (talk) 13:51, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was justifiable. I'm the one who created it and the only one to really edit it. People putting in wiki links doesn't count as "editing" for such a purpose. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Looks like most of the links to the redirect page got fixed last night, with the remainder being talk links - so I wouldn't have any objection to it being deleted now. I'm staying out of whether the speedy deletion of the first version was a good thing or not. Artw (talk) 18:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

text: We also lost an image - I'm guessing that's nothing we particularly care about? Artw (talk) 18:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Masters of Horror episodes‎ 

message: To say that the Masters of Horror revived Ron Perlman's career because of Hellboy II, and Ted Raimi's career because of Drag Me to Hell is ridiculous. Hellboy sold well so a sequel was made, and clearly they needed the star of the first movie (from 2004 which predates Masters of Horror) to resume his previous role. Ted Raimi was in Drag Me to Hell because his brother is Sam Raimi, the director and writer, it's the same reason this this car, his dad's '73 Oldsmobile 88, is in the movie, and in Spider Man, Darkman, and every other film Sam Raimi has done, it's because it's a little nod to Sam's past, and it's because he likes working with his friends and family, after all, Bruce Campbell plays a bit part in every spider man flick, as well as Darkman despite being dubbed over with Liam Neeson's voice.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.185.125 (talk) 06:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviving Veteran Actor's Careers 

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