Talk:Drascombe

message: There is some discussion at the Drascombe Association forum about what should be included on this page. Otter Man 18:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Drascombe' is a commercial brand, not a boat class. 
The trademark 'Drascombe' is licensed exclusively to only one manufacturer of boats designed by John Watkinson.   
The artcile leaves other existing manufacturers, sellers and repairers of materially identical boats designed by John Watkinson unmentioned and unlinked. Why?
The article falsely lists two boats as 'Drascombe' in the meaning to be designed by John Watkinson, 'Caboteur' and 'Drifter 22'. These boats were not designed by John Watkinson, they are only branded as 'Drascombe'.
The author of the article -Otter Man|Otter Man- has requested that the discussion of his article should take place here, so here goes ... Craicboat 09:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

message: What country do these come from?  Also, the article reads like a PR/sales piece: is 'The epitome of rugged simplicity, reliability, and seaworthiness in an open boat, the Lugger is equally at home pottering with the kids or undertaking more adventuresome expeditions' suitable for an encyclopaedia?  I think not. 86.136.195.79 10:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Critique

message: This is an encyclopedic entry for the word Drascombe. It started as a PR job but now that I understand how Wikipedia works I will start to make it encyclopedic with the help of other Drascombe fans. As Craicboat says, Drascombe is actually a brand name so the entry should start from that point.
Otter Man 17:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Let's go

message: The article has been modified somewhat over night, thanks.
The article now -rightly- identifies 'Drascombe' as commercial brand, but it -falsely- implies the present brand owner Churchouse Boats Ltd. has a material connection with the thousands of boats produced and sold with the label 'Drascombe' in the past. Most of those 'Drascombes' were produced and sold by the -then- brand owner Honnor Marine Ltd., to which Churchouse Boats Ltd. is not a successor or with which it has any relations.Craicboat 05:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progress 

message: Boatman has made a very good proposal to make it clear that the Drascombe boats were/are built by several manufacturers. In the true encyclopedic spirit of Wikipedia I think the information should be added, who these manufacturers were, and are today.Craicboat 10:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am quite happy to add this information if we know it. In my research I have identified 9 builders of wooden Drascombes who all, presumeably, had licenses from John Watkinson. Are there any more? Otter Man 18:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different manufacturers; should be named. 

message: It strikes me that there are a number of red links about, mostly builders/designers. There are two choices, either someone creates an article for each one, or another section could be made of the same name (builders and designers, or John Watkinson) within the article and linked internally. Ukebert 21:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red links 

message: I had been critical at first, but with the many corrections and improvements done since, I must say it is a great article now, and excellent encyclopedic reference. Well done, all.Craicboat 08:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great article now. 

message: A link to the Webb Chiles website I added to the  External links section of the article has just been deleted, the reason for deletion given being that the website is somehow not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Given that users can download free PDF copies of Webb Chiles' two books about his attempted circumnavigation and also Html copies of magazine articles which he wrote, I think that the link is very worth including. {See  WP:External links)         ←   ZScarpia   14:39, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the meantime, do you have any objection to a link to his website, which has extensive documentation about his attempted circumnavigation in a Lugger, something which is described in the article, being included here? I would have no objection to it being removed once a Webb Chiles article has been created. Looking at the article, it seems to have already grown beyond simply defining the range of Drascombe boats. You haven't commented on why you remarked that the website is not appropriate for an encyclopedia.        ←   ZScarpia   20:54, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The 12 pages displayed from the tabs on the home page make no reference to Drascombe boats other than Mr Chiles owned two Luggers in the 1980's. The web site is a focussed very personal website written by Mr Chiles and hence is not an appropriate encyclopedia link. From my side (as a reviewer) it is not appropriate to an encyclopedia.  If you feel differently please feel free to re-instate. From my side I will make no further comments.  Thanks for your interest.  Boatman (talk) 08:36, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The site contains: downloadable PDF versions of the two books Webb Chiles wrote about his attempted circumnavigation; articles about the same. There is more information there other than that Chiles owned two Luggers in the 80s.       ←   ZScarpia   09:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [http://www.inthepresentsea.com/the_actual_site/webbchiles.html Webb Chiles website] 

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