Talk:'O sole mio

message: I kind of think that it would be nice to mention the spot off of Ace Ventura: Pet Detective where Jim Carrey was talking to his co-worker, turned around in the opposite direction, bent over, grabbed his buttocks with both hands, and started singing "Ass-hole-a-Meooo"
:I agree.  Go ahead and add it.  Don't forget the "ooohhhhhh Sodomy-ahhhhhhhh" part.Rockypedia (talk) 19:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

message: Keep in mind this is an encyclopedia, if people wanted lyrics they'd use Google. This article also has very much bias in plain sight, I suggest we delete it or add sources proving the opinions are popular among critics.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.219.25.140 (talk) 15:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How are the lyrics notable? 

message: The fact that the Neapolitan name has an apostrophe in front of it is irrelevant for the English Wikipedia, in WP:ENGLISH the WP:COMMONNAME is O Sole Mio, therefore that's what the article should be called. In fact, in the UK, the WP:COMMNONAME is "the Cornetto song", but I won't push it that far.... :-)) FlagSteward (talk) 17:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: So why is there a separate article for There's No Tomorrow, but not for "It's Now or Never".  With new lyrics and a borrowed melody, it is not a cover version, and its notability on its own could warrant its own article. --Wolfer68 (talk) 00:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's Now or Never 

message: "O" stay for "Lo", a determinative article: thus correct translation from neapolitan to italian is "Lo sole mio". In modern standard italian the correct determinative article for the word sun is "Il": "Il sole mio", but when song was writed italian was a little different. The ancient use of "Lo sole" is yet in Dante p. e. http://books.google.it/books?id=3dY5a7SmZdwC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=%22lo+sole%22&source=bl&ots=h6Xzhjr6aR&sig=QL3AcJD3cTBXOzwLrNrs1GymlJ4&hl=it&ei=nG1vS6eALYPWmwPmg9zJBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CCsQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=%22lo%20sole%22&f=false "Onde vedemo lo sole che, discendendo lo raggio suo qua giù" eccetera.  FYI. Excuses for my bad english. Greetings from Italy. --93.65.61.136 (talk) 01:54, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "O" in "'O sole mio" 

message: The English travesty, which in my opinion is very good, is sung by a Venetian gondolier BECAUSE Venice is many miles from Naples. Pamour (talk) 19:59, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just One Cornetto 

message: What is the point of listing a handful of singers under "recorded by"?  There are dozens, probably hundreds of singers who recorded it.  The current list does not include Caruso, but includes Elvis, which seems strange. --188.23.78.187 (talk) 11:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Recorded by" 

message: The text's many errors need to be fixed according to http://ac-support.europe.umuc.edu/~jmatthew/naples/napsongtexts.html#%27%20sole%20mio --Espoo (talk) 01:01, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable source 

message: Michael Bednarek wrote above:
::"I'm also worried that your version discards several sources in favour of Del Bosco; a variety of sources is always preferable."
I'm a little puzzled by this remark.  The current version of the article contains one citation of Del Bosco's book.  In my originally proposed revision I had added seven more.  In only two instances of those did I remove a citation of any other source.
*First, I moved a link to the IMSLP page on  ’O Sole Mio from its place in the sources cited for Capurro's Neapolitan lyrics to the External links section of the article, to accompany a similar link to Art Song Central's page on the song, which was already there.   My reason for doing this was that, of the six scores available from the IMSLP page (not counting the four part scores of the version for clarinet quartet as being separate scores), only three included any of Capurro's Neapolitan lyrics, and only two of those included all of them.  I'm more than happy for any published scores containing all of Capurro's lyrics to be individually cited, and in the latest version of my proposed revision, both such scores at the IMSLP site, and the two scores at the Art Song Central site, are now cited.
*Second, I removed a citation to the entry on di Capua at the AllMusic website, written by James Reel.  That this source is not reliable has remained uncontested since I  more than a week ago.  I will acknowledge that the reason I then gave for considering it unreliable ("user generated content") is not valid. I was then under the impression—which I later realised is probably mistaken—that the contents of AllMusic was crowdsourced, in much the same way as Wikipedia.  Nevertheless, Reel cites no source for the factoid repeated by the article from his brief bio—namely, that ’O Sole Mio was played in place of the Italian National Anthem at the 1920 Antwerp Olympics—so we haven't the foggiest idea how many stages of Chinese whispers the factoid had been subjected to before it surfaced in Reels's piece, or, indeed, without any more credible source to verify it, whether or not it had been almost entirely fabricated by that process.
*There's one other source in the current version of the article which I have replaced in my proposed revision, but not with Del Bosco's book.  This was an obituary of Renato Pagliari in The Times, which .  This obituary carried no byline, which I consider a defect (if minor) in newspaper articles cited in Wikipedia, so when I discovered that the same newspaper had published another article on Pagliari's death, just a few days earlier, under the byline of Sadie Gray, I decided to use that one in place of the first.
David Wilson (talk · cont) 07:10, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supposed discarding of sources 

message: Given that there does not appear to be a consensus in favour of this proposal, I hereby withdraw it.   I have now incorporated most of my other proposed revisions into the article, while preserving its current organisation of citations and references.
David Wilson (talk · cont) 02:06, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal withdrawn 

message: Wikipedia has two contradictory accounts of when Elvis Presley requested English lyrics for the song, one saying he did so while still in Germany, the other saying he did it after his discharge. As he was already back in the U.S. before his discharge, both cannot be true.
A passage in this article says:
However, a passage in the article on "It's Now or Never" says:
The article on "It's Now or Never" cites a source, while the version in the present article does not. Can anyone provide a citation for this version, or should it be changed to match that in the other article? GCL (talk) 17:05, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of "It's Now or Never" 

message: changed the translation of "sta nfronte a te" from "dwells in your face" to "is in front of you".  While the former translation is definitely somewhat non-literal, the latter is certainly quite wrong in the context of the song.  The primary meaning of "fronte" is "forehead", but it can also mean "face" or "front".  In the absence of any context, "nfronte a te" could mean any of "on your forehead", "in (or on) your face", or "in front of you".  It is clear, however, from the first verse of the song and the opening line of the refrain—"Ma n'atu sole cchiù bello, oi ne',"—that something like the first two of these senses, rather than the third, is intended. This is recognised in every rendition of the song into other languages, I have ever see. An italian version of the song, penned by the author of the original Neapolitan lyrics, Giovanni Capurro, for instance, goes:
Italian	English translation	 
Ma un sol più bello
sorride a me,
il sol che splende
negli occhi a te!	
But a more beautiful sun
is smiling at me,
the sun which is shining
out of your eyes!	
The Swedish version included in the same score goes:
Swedish	English translation	 
Men mer än solen
Som ler mot dig,
Är dina blickar
En sol för mig!
Ja, solen är du!
Du är min sol!	
But more than the sun
Which smiles on you,
Is the look from your eyes
A sun for me.
Yes, you are the sun!
You are my sun!	
The English versions in the scores cited in the article are the following:
Henry G. Chapman	George Cooper	Nathan Haskell Dole	 
Another sunlight
Far lovelier lies,
Oh my own dear sunshine!
In your dear eyes!
Oh sunshine, my own sunshine,
In your dear eyes, in your dear eyes!	
But there is sunshine brighter than all!
Thou art my sunshine,
Whate'er befall!
My sunshine, sweetest sunshine,
My heart, my all,
Whate'er befall!	
But I know sunshine more lovely still.
From thy dear features
Its bright rays thrill!
That sunshine, radiant sunshine,
My heart doth fill!
My heart doth fill!	
While these are obviously very far from literal translations, they nevertheless reflect the same sentiment—namely, that the singer's beloved is the source of a sunlight characterised as being more lovely than that from the sun in the sky.
While the precise wording of the translation used in the article is certainly worth discussing, there is no doubt that the translation "is in front of you" is simply wrong.  I shall be changing it back to something closer to a proper interpretation.
David Wilson (talk · cont) 14:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of "sta nfronte a te"