Talk:Green Tortoise

message: I have the full-text primary sources cited in the article sitting here in my Inbox, but not the interest to work them into the article.  If anyone would like a copy of these primary sources with which to improve the article, drop me a line and I will be happy to forward them on to you.  I would love to include the full texts as subpages here, but I assume that would violate all sorts of copyright. ∴ here…♠ 22:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  primary sources 

message: This article needs some serious rewriting. The section on hostels seems very choppy and the sentences don't flow at all. I tried to help out a bit by removing some original research and clearing off an unverifiable source and some merging of the opening sections. Cowman109Talk 00:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewriting 

message: I am removing the extensive discussion with the anonymous user 65.  You can find the discussion in full on this old page ∴ here…♠ 16:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving of 65.* related material 

message: What I would like to know abot the Green Tortoise is more info about it's history and how and when it started. Who founded the service and what was the reasoning to do so. 
From what I understand is that the Green Tortoise was founded in the 1960's in the San Francisco Bay area. Presumably it was found in Berkeley or San Francisco. And the reason it is called the "Green Tortoise" is a play off the namee of "Greyhound" the main stream travel bus company. It would be nice to get further depth on these things and other aspects of their history.
I would also like to know more about their Los Angeles/San Francisco/Portland/Seatle commuter bus service which is what I believe was thier inittial bus service. Presumably the commuter line service was started as a result of the dynamics of the 1960's and the interest of cheap travel with open minded bus service, such as being animal friendly, and catering to "hippies" and the "flower children" with stops at hostels which and perhaps "crash pads"(circa. 1960's). 
Presumable the LA to SF to Portland and Seattle commuter bus service was inspired by the Merry Pranksters and thier Acit Test tours of those same cities. 
If anyone has further details and/or picturs of the early Green Tortoise, please include it in the article. Thank you.
Asynaps 17:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Green Tortoise and FAQs 

message: Removing the statement about trips being "reportedly" clothing optional and it's associated link. "Reportedly" is a weasel word and the supporting reference provided is to a first-person narrative, similar to an editorial or blog post, titled "field research" and dressed up with superficial sociological terminology, footnotes and "references" to attempt to appear scholarly but without employing any research methodology. The page seems to have been written primarily to air grievances and complaints about a single unpleasant vacation experience, and disguised as "research" to lend a false air of authority. For instance, see "footnote" 5: "I decided that my opinion of Jake could not improve sufficiently to tolerate any kind of interaction with him. Instead I decided to ignore him. While this was a daunting project because of our restricted quarters, nevertheless, we were able to maintain an impressive distance for the remainder of the trip." This isn't scholarly research or an authoritative factual source, it's a lone individual with an axe to grind - even if he happens to be a professor. SteubenGlass (talk) 15:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-authoritative references 

message: Someone recently added a  to this article.  The topic was covered in the Washington Post, New York Times and Wall Street Journal.
I thought that made it notable.  The  placers concern was one which I think should have triggered a discussion of a rewrite, not a nomination for deletion.  Geo Swan (talk) 13:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please add those references to the article. It would help greatly for its notability to have some reliable sources. It badly needs some. (Travel commentary columns in newspapers do not count, as they are influenced by page advertisers.) It does no good just to state that there are some reliable news sources, without listing the actual references. Xme (talk) 14:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And which of the criteria for deletion are you asserting this article met?  Articles on topics that merit inclusion should not be nominated for deletion because a contributor thinks they are poorly written.  Geo Swan (talk) 15:21, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
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