Talk:Epaminondas

message: The French version of this article states that: Il devient rapidement béotarque et engage Thèbes dans une politique d'assertion de sa puissance sur les cités béotiennes. Pour cela, il n'hésite pas à affronter Sparte à plusieurs reprises, même quand ses propres troupes sont moins nombreuses : les Béotiens vainquent les Lacédémoniens notamment à Tégyres et Orchomène en 375. Ces succès sont dus au génie militaire d'Épaminondas, mais aussi à sa réorganisation de la phalange béotienne, notamment en introduisant un corps d'élite permanent de 300 hommes, le fameux Bataillon sacré, qui selon Plutarque, est composé entièrement de couples d'amants. which is to say roughly that [His] military successes are due to the military genius of Epaminondas, but also to his re-organization of the Boeotian phalanx, notably through the introduction of an elite corps of three hundred men (sic), the famous Sacred Batallion, which, according to Plutarch, is composed entirely of pairs of lovers. This version seems to give much greater weight to the effect of the Band. Should this emphasis be conveyed in the English version too? Haiduc 19:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance of the sacred band 

message: The first use of hoplite has a parenthetical afterwards: "(heavy infantry)".  I feel this is not needed; that's the purpose of wikilinks.  If a reader doesn't know the term, they go to the article on it.  But when I changed it, the definition was quickly added again.  How do others feel about this?--ragesoss 02:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So be it.--ragesoss 03:55, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: minor detail: hoplites

message: Epaminondas is often referred to as Epameinondas (indeed that is where I took my username form). This might merit a comment in the article as it would help people searching for this biography. Examples  and  Epameinondas 15:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a redirect at that title.  You can do that by entering #REDIRECTPagename as the text of the page that you want to redirect. --RobthTalk 15:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Name 

message: Surely it should mention here that he was undefeated throughout his military career. Centy</font> – [reply]• contribs – 22:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undefeated 

message: While Epaminondas certainly deserves credit for his great military and political genius, it seems to be going overboard with the Great Man theory of history to compress a complex series of wars into the biography of a single man. We don't do that for any of the other great captains including Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon, Temujin. 
And it leaves a gap in our classical Greek history, going directly from the Corinthian War to the Wars of Macedon. 
We do have an article on the Boeotian War but it only covers the war immediately after the Theban Revolution.
The battle of Leuctra for example is not classed under any specific war, but under the overly broad Greek 'conflicts of the 4th century BC'.
I propose that a new article be created on the Wars of Theban Hegemony. 
--Gary123 (talk) 04:01, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate article for the Theban Wars

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This article is not FA class. Several sections rely entirely on ancient sources; whilst they are fine to illustrate the extent of our knowledge on the subject, they cannot be used as the backbone of the text. The main modern sources on the topic are listed, but they need to be better referenced in the text, especially Hans Beck, Paul Cartledge, Robin Seager, George Cackwell, and others. I would however remove Basil Lidell Hart who was a known fabricator, and Victor Davis Hanson, whose book cited here is controversial ("How Three Great Liberators Vanquished Tyranny"). T8612 (talk) 23:49, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Now working on the sources, many of which are available online. Reformatting in a style that's consistent, and allows the ancient sources to be removed if needed. Amitchell125 (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now removing where ancient sources are used in multiple citations. Amitchell125 (talk) 06:44, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  thanks for your edits, but can you try to group them? You're flooding my watchlist with dozens of small edits. T8612 (talk) 09:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apologies, I generally work this way. The citations work I'm currently on needs small edits that are ungrouped, but its nearly sorted. I'll then be onto the copy editing that needs to be done—this can be done in the way you prefer. Amitchell125 (talk) 09:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article status 

message: Hi, the quote in "Resistance ..." that is tagged 'Citation needed' appears to be from Cawkwell:
https://academic.oup.com/book/5669/chapter-abstract/148737562?redirectedFrom=fulltext  T 84.208.65.62 (talk) 21:59, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ref for 366/5