Talk:Land of Sound/Archive 1

message: We still don't know what Kabuto's true aim is. He of all people should know that Orochimaru regards all those under him as expendable pawns. Why he would chose to be with someone like that as opposed to Konoha who value the lives of all their shinobi remains to be a mystery. When Orochimaru had lost the use of his hands because of the Sandaime Hokage, Kabuto had offered himself up to become Orochimaru's next body, although that never happened it shows that for some reason Kabuto is willing to die for Orochimaru.
:This was deleted, and while I agree it isn't professioanlly presented enough for an article ('we'?) it does bring up some interesting issues. I am preserving this in the talk section until it can be properly transferred. I should also add, that it is good to provide an explanation when making such changes, so that the blatant deletion be not seen as meanness. Knowing reasons for actions prevents misunderstanding. Tyciol 09:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My rationale is that it was pure speculation. --Pentasyllabic 17:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah but it says revert using popups... I wasn't sure what that meant. Anyway, it is currently in a speculative state. It does have some interesting points to talk about in the character though. For example, why does Kabuto stay with Orochimaru when he obviously is not completely confident that Orochimaru trusts him or wants him kept alive? I can't assume it's gratitude from being freed from Akatsuki, because if he operated on gratitudes, he wouldn't be betraying Konoha, his country of origin. Further info is needed about his medical examiner parents (are they adopted?) and so on. Also, did he offer himself up to Orochimaru as a body? I forget... Tyciol 05:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, regarding the deleted text; there's a lot of wrong information in it. We know that Orochimaru doesn't treat Kabuto like he treats his otger subordinates. In fact, he even acknowledged how important Kabuto is to him. We also know why Kabuto follows Orochimaru. As Kabuto himself said "I had already fallen in love with his way of thinking". And yes, Kabuto did indeed offer himself to Orochimaru as his next body.--JadziaLover 22:03, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he may treat Kabuto better, but it's still kinda shitty. He didn't warn him about the 3 sound-nin, and Kabuto was a tad upset about it. It's understandable he wouldn't tell the sound-nin about Kabuto (he's a valued spy), then again, Kabuto for some reason chose to reveal himself to Kakashi/Konoha when he could have easily kept his identity hidden during the botched Sasuke kidnapping. I'm guessing the 'fell in love with his way of thinking' part is only in the manga, I can't wait to see it in the anime :) Tyciol 16:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pentasyllabic deletion

message: Okay, um...it says that he's presumed dead, but shouldn't he just be flatout dead? It's obvious he's dead. It's possible that he could've survived Shino's Kikai bugs, but how could he have not drowned? I mean, there was no way he could've recovered fast enough to swim up and keep from drowning, unless he was a subject to one of the experiments and thus became a Kaima, granting him the ability of underwater breath (which there is no evidence of). Plus, as it already says, he is not seen visibly surfacing. The Wretched 02:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because his death is deliberately left ambiguous for a possible return in the manga. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, for someone who hates speculation, you say a lot of things that you don't know for sure... If that's the case we might as well say the same thing about Misumi... The Wretched 20:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes we could. Point is, it is deliberately left ambiguous. You never see him die, so it's ambiguous. It allows the writers to bring either character back with little trouble. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Going by that logic, Someguy, are we going to confirm Yoroi & co as dead if they don't show up in the manga again? I'd say that's about as speculative as what we're doing right now... 217.208.27.13 22:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Congrats on reviving a year-old topic. Please pay attention to what you respond to. If he never comes back, he's still presumed dead. Also, what we're doing isn't speculative. What we're doing is acknowledging a lack of information. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Akado Yoroi

message: Kimimaro Kaguya seems to already exist as a separate article. Should we merge this infomation back into here, or have this article point to it as the main article? –NeoChaosX (talk | contribs) 20:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even in western name order, but I don't see the point. The guy appears and dies in three some odd episodes. Whatever relevant information it has should be merged. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kimimaro seems to have his own article already 

message: Has anyone ever noticed that he used Dance of the Clematis: Flower on two different hands? And he required several bones already protruding from his hand to initiate the jutsu? The same with DotC: Vine, it would appear that he cannot regenerate spinal cords, since he didn't let go of it after it has been caught and attemted to destroy the Shukaku no tate instead of just walking around it...
And after Sawarabi no Mai (I got annoyed with typing english translations) he lost the six bones protruding out from the back of his body. It would appear that some of his bone techniques can only be used a few times for each time he  initiates the Shin no Juin to go stage two. 24.149.204.116 23:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He can grow his bones at will, so that's pretty much all inaccurate. Spinal cord? Simply because he doesn't let it go doesn't mean he needs it. You wouldn't let go of your main weapon in battle. It doesn't matter how many bones he grows or pulls out, because he can always produce more. Also, about the shield, he was overconfident. He simply believed he could break through it easily. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Kimimaro's techniques 

message: People keep adding info about her not being important to the team because Dosu and Zaku didn't seem to care whether she got injured or not and even hurt her. But really, it's impossible to judge it on just that one situation - the reaction could've been the exact same had it been anyone else of the team in her place. Of course they're going to help a teammate as long as possible (if for nothing else then for the success of the mission), but if they have to choose between the mission and a team member, then the mission takes priority.
Of course, that's just speculation as well. But like I said, people shouldn't try to find too much meaning in just one scene. //Frostious 18:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They did say that they would willingly harm or even kill any teammate if they're forced to, such as when Ino possessed Kin. Though Kin didn't have a major role, every character has some purpose or another. In Kin's case, it's the Oto-nin's triumph over Ino-Shika-Cho through blackmail and a host for Summoning: Impure World Resurrection. 71.212.160.161 04:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Kin 

message: "Dosu Kinuta, is the coolest!!!!!!!!!" should probably not be in there, but when I go to edit it, the "is the coolest!!!!!!" part isn't there.
-- Scratch that, it seems the reason I didn't see it was because someone had already taken care of it. Keep up the good work.
:Lol, I thought everyone besides me hated that guy. 71.212.160.161 04:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opininated Section title 

message: Ok I just have a few questions first of all is it Kimimaru or Kimimaro and also how exactly do you spell Jiroubou? 207.200.116.10 15:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you were to scan through the article, you'd learn the correct spelling: "Kimimaro" is correct; "Jirōbō" is also the correct spelling, as ō is the correct character to use for the ou sound, though it's easier for most people to drop the accent and just use an o, making his name more accurately/commonly "Jirobo". ~SnapperTo 18:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of the Sound 5 

message: Shouldn't the villages "Sunagakure", "Otogakure", "Konohagakure", etc. be titled to simply Hidden Sand Village, Hidden Sound Village, Hidden Leaf Village, etc.? This is because WP:Uses English naming conventions isn't it, even if it's romanized or hepburnized from the manga? Power level (Dragon Ball) 19:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested name change to Hidden Sound Village

message: Since I've finally discovered where in the databooks rank is given, I've noticed that Yoroi, Misumi, Zaku, Dosu, and Kin are all left without ranks. Since they were all technically Genin during their appearances, should I leave their ranks alone, or should I switch it to unknown? ~SnapperTo 04:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But didnt you see those guys during the Orochimaru invasion? They were sound ninja, and Pakkun (i think) said they were "probably chuunin." Couldnt Dosu, Kin, and Zaku be Chuunin? Maybe they get their clothes changed, like when a konoha chuunin gets a vest. as for Yoroi and Misumi, idk. KKIPPES 06:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genin 

message: Now that Orochimaru has abandoned Gen'yumaru's body to go after Sasuke, does that mean he should be considered "deceased" now? Ikani87 03:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's still present within Orochimaru's subconscious, so he's still technically alive. ~SnapperTo 03:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That girl was also present as well. So he transfers their subconscious with him when he switches bodies. Thanks for pointing that out.Ikani87 03:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Present in his subconcious or not, they're still dead. Whatever remnant of them remains is not enough to constitute a living person. 121.44.205.20 12:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gen'yumaru deceased? 

message: I made a section for Suigetsu, but it lacks the Japanese spelling of the name and the redirections to him in Sasuke's article (it's blocked). Maybe an image of the tank itself or of him  rising from the water would be OK. In his height and weight I left a ? instead of "unknown" due to its ability to change forms.
Black Dollar March 21 2007
: Sounds OK to me Jacce 18:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed Sasuke's article for this. Celain 19:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article is fine, but even though the picture shows a full body, I think it should be replaced with someting like the panel of his head, or maybe when he is next to the Naruto Bridge with the water bottle until we get something better. Maybe even the upper part of his naked body(although I don't recomend that pic.)White Coyote 04:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Typing of Suigetsu, where was it stated that he is, and I quote the article, "a former experiment subject of Orochimaru"? I'd say it sounds like an assumption based on the water tank container cell thingmajing in which he was kept, and I don't really think that qualifies as an acceptable fact... Actually, I believe Suigetsu hinted at himself being a potential container for Orochimaru, just like Suasuke, but contrary to Sasuke, his movements were restricted. Also, seeing as Suigetsu seems to need a steady water supply, that would explain the numberous small water tanks around his own... They were probably to keep him alive and with a constant steady water supply until Orochimaru considered it Suigetsu's time for the body transfer. 81.224.28.244 00:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still ultimately speculation. "Former experimental subject" is substantiated by his comments and by the lab itself. In any case, wait for the upcoming chapters to reveal information before adding anything. Sephiroth BCR 06:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, now it's confirmed, he WAS experimented on... I rest my case. 81.224.28.244 23:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: But he's oh so hot without clothes. /sarcasm Who cares. We see his face and that's enough. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not enough we need a picture of what he looks like now.68.225.113.222 02:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: No it wasn't; you could barely tell what he looked like in that shot. A character's wardrobe is unimportant. Besides, nudists are the wave of the future! ~SnapperTo 03:45, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Since you seem to be uncomfortable with nudity, I suggest you never click this link. Furthermore, never go to a zoo, as animals don't tend to wear clothes. Also, don't go to beaches in Europe, as people aren't really required to wear anything there. And lastly, never change your clothes; you might accidentally see yourself naked and traumatize yourself beyond imagination. Now then, I hope I've steered you down the path of avoiding the inevitable. ~SnapperTo 21:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As much as this discussion is immensely amusing, it's still off topic. Countmall, just stop. There's no reason and no incentive to continue. Sephiroth BCR 21:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: You're the only one complaining. If the nudity bothers you, I suggest you stop coming here. It's fine. Quit being a prude. PLus, you obviously have no concept of the difference between comedic nudity and hentai nudity, so you're efforts in that regard are just sad. Naruto's been naked as a woman more times than Suigetsu, so why complain? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "I, along with a large number of wikipedians". I see you complaining alone. Not a very convincing method to support your argument. In any case, you are continuing for no reason at all. No one here is going to accept your viewpoint, so simply stop, unless you enjoy wasting time here for your own amusement. Sephiroth BCR 00:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: >_> In any case, there are better shots of Watermoon now that there are a few chapters with him in it, so could anybody upload something for the, uh, more feeble-minded? -- Seraphchoir 13:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Read it again. That's in the first paragraph. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suigetsu 

message: Juugo or Jugo? With my limited knowledge on the subject, the "UU" simply denotes an extended "U" sound, much like in Hyuuga or Chuunin. For the sake of consistency, would "Jugo" be more appropriate? You Can't See Me! 04:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pardon me if I don't know what I'm talking about, but... 

message: I noticed that the images of Juugo, Karin, and Suigetsu are in very good quality.
Does anyone know what manga group scanlated the image? Or if somebody just cleaned the image containing the character only.
:The fastest scanslations are usually done by forum groups, but higher-quality scans that are cleaned, as far as I can name, are done by groups like Shannaro! or Inane, though I think Inane dropped Naruto.  Don't quote me on that though.  -- Seraphchoir 13:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorry if this is sort of off-topic

message: Were those two actually in the Otagakure? It said they were both in Orochimaru's labs, but doesn't he have labs all over the continent? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.91.155.164 (talk) 01:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but They were Otogakurans (?) in effect as they were both in Orochimaru's domain. You Can't See Me! 23:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karin and Juugo 

message: Honestly in the manga he goes Hebi much like the fire shadow for hokage who else agrees it should be Hebi?
:That's a flawed analogy. A scantalation is not an official translation. We go by English. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a reason we don't translate Hokage as "fire shadow" or Akatsuki as "Dawn" - because it wouldn't make sense in the context. Similarly, Team Snake makes more sense than Team Hebi (most people would read that and wonder "What's a hebi?"). Although if you really want to rename Akatsuki to "Dawn" that can be arranged... --Pentasyllabic 19:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team Snake or Hebi? 

message: ok today i was checking about kidomaru and the rest to see somestuff and it is changed WHO KEEPS CHANGING THE NAMES!!!!!!!--Jackjohnson15 19:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wtf?? 

message: The length of his section has stood the test of time and remains the longest character description on this page (with 621 words), and it could easily have more added to it without padding. Also, Kimimaro displays a rather large range of techniques which are clumsy to find at the moment: characters with their own page have all their techniques linked, but Kimimaro has no links to his unique techniques. I think moving Kimimaro off to his own page would keep this page a lot tidier given the recent bulge for Team Snake, make it a lot easier to look up his techniques, and be well-deserved considering Kakuzu and Hidan have their own pages. I don't want to do it without other's opinions, so what does everyone think? Elyssaen 18:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The size can be reduced. His abilities are all found at Kekkei genkai#Shikotsumyaku anyway, and with the recent compression and incorporating of the jutsu articles, this isn't a problem. Sephiroth BCR 23:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: All of the above can be said in less than ten sentences. That he's significant for other characters is better mentioned on those character's pages. In any case, there doesn't need to be a discussion or outline of any sorts of the philosophical themes that lie behind these characters. That's for the reader to discern. Sephiroth BCR 02:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it would be more logical to create a Sound Four article. With techniques moving to character pages for the most part, I take it that this page will get cramped and quickly. Plus, there's the whole issue about Spider-themed techniques; there's too much to go under Kidomaru's header, but it's not a clan-type thing, so it won't fit on the ultimately revised jutsu list. You Can't See Me! 22:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Kimimaro deserve his own article?