Talk:Ceroc

message: Why's this section been removed? Please comment changes in future, so we can track this article and the reasons for revisions. In the meantime, absent a documented reason for its removal, I've restored it David James Bailey (talk) 12:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Take-overs? 

message: The whole "history of Ceroc" stuff is both bloated and irrelevant; it reads like a press release. I suggest either zapping it, or moving it to a separate "Ceroc Enterprises" page - so you'd have two pages, something like "Ceroc (Dance)" and "Ceroc (Organisation)".
Possibly a disambiguation page would be useful, as well. David James Bailey (talk) 14:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ceroc Enterprises? 

message: I've just looked up in the online OED and neither Ceroc nor Modern Jive is listed. Jive, of course, goes back to the 1920s.
--Stuartyeates 15:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lookups in the OED 

message: Does anyone know what the relationship between ceroc and the "rock" danced in France is?  The article is vague on this point.  Is this an import?  An new dance inspired by French "rock"? -anon
: It's a new dance heavily inspired by French rock 'n' roll dancers. From reports by folks who've been there, French rock is different in that it is slotted and danced to faster music. Martin 11:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  French origin 

message: : Some styles may concentrate on particular musical styles, such as swing.
This was marked as citation needed and I removed it. I'm not sure what this statement is getting at. Can it be reworded (and, yeah, cited). Martin
James Cronin learnt the french style Le roc or termed as c'est le rocbut but created the franchise ceroc in the uk. He also attended some classes in London (leroc) taught by a french teacher  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.170.214 (talk) 18:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  styles of Ceroc 

message: I have no wish to edit this page, even though i have the right to. I would ,however, like to point out, to all, that search the term "Ceroc" that, this article ,has been written by the organisation called "Ceroc" in a clear  attempt to mislead the reader. "Ceroc" is not a dance form, the form of dance to which we refer is called "Modern Jive" this term ,is generally agreed to be a more accurate name, than merely calling it  "jive" The  Trader called "Ceroc" makes minor mention of this fact, much later in this article....Dancermoz (talk) 13:12, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I also wouldn't attempt to rewrite this article personally as I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, but perhaps this need some kind of vote. I expected to see Modern Jive at least linked in the lead paragraph. I assume good faith on the part of the editors, but article needs attention, perhaps Template:Advert flag in the interim? — Lee A. Christie (talk) 10:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, looking at it again, perhaps the article could be immediately improved by dropping the first paragraph or switching it with the 2nd paragraph, so the article begins with paragraph 2 - i.e. "'Ceroc' is the brand name of the leading franchise of the dance, which is also known as 'Modern Jive' ... "? (maybe with slight tweaking to the wording) — Lee A. Christie (talk) 17:11, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ceroc= organisation Modern Jive =form of dance 

message: I  have  been  jiving  since  2003  and  I  am  concerned  by  the  attempted  suppression  of  competition  by  Ceroc.  A   monopoly  of  any  kind  is  bad  news,  and  quickly  produces  complacency  and  falling  standards   .
There  are  a  number  of  smaller ( often  one-person-band)  concerns  equally  good ...  (  sometimes  better  than ..)   Ceroc  in  providing  an  enjoyable  nights  jiving .  
Unfortunately  any  criticism  ( hopefully  constructive )  of  ceroc  gains  an  almost  hysterical  reaction  with  threats   of  exclusion  designed  to  silence  anyone  who  dares  to  express  what  should  be  obvious .
Please  do  not  allow  this  to  happen  on  Wiki .  Creation  of  a  page  that  implies  that  the  only  way  to  jive  is  the ceroc  way  is  misleading  and  incorrect.
Jiving  Bear 20.02.2013--11:13, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ceroc  monopoly - please  DO NOT  allow  this  to  also  happen  on  Wikipedia 

message: I was updating the reference for the Cerocshops to the new website and noticed the wording on that part of the article is worded misleadingly. - "The standard Ceroc workshops are graded (Beginners 1, Beginners 2, Beginners Plus, Intermediate 1, Intermediate 2, and Intermediate Plus)" implies beginners 1+2 are two separate levels and Int 1+2 are two separate levels. Not sure, but as I understand, beginners 1 and beginners 2 are the same level of workshop with different subset of the moves covered, and likewise for intermediate 1 and intermediate 2. I've left the wording alone though for discussion. — Lee A. Christie (talk) 17:00, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording on Cerocshop levels. 

message: Article seems to have several things which seem like original research even if they are accurate and not misleading. Example:
The Beginners routine taught on any given day is the same across all teachers and all venues. This is intended to allow beginners to practice what they have learned with beginners from other venues.
This is probably correct, but I can't see it mentioned anywhere in the Ceroc websites/FAQs. It sounds like this sort of thing that could have been added by teacher/franchisee. There are many more statements like this in the article. — Lee A. Christie (talk) 17:53, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instances of original research? 

message: Ceroc is a brand of Modern Jive and this article, clearly written by and to promote the company (much of the wording is identical to that on the Ceroc Website).
This article should be cleaned of promotional language (in the way that others have noted) and merged with Modern Jive.
Stuartyeates noted the lack of Modern Jive in the OED.  I believe this is due to the various companies that operate Modern Jive events wanting to claim ownership of it (evidenced by this article) by referring to it as their brand (e.g. Ceroc).  Also, the term is used only by a small percentage of the population and not something that has received academic attention.
I would also like to note that, while related, Modern Jive is as distinct Jive (dance) as Rock and roll is from Gospel music.  It would not be correct to incorporate Modern Jive as a subset of the Jive (dance) article.
It would be improper of me to make these changes as I work for Ceroc.
:::Request Edits are for suggesting specific edits. I suggest following the instructions for proposing a merger. Once there is agreement to merge the articles, you could offer an alternate draft of the current that would be trimmed down and less promotional and then merge that draft to the other article. This would involve a pretty substantial time commitment on your part. However, Request Edit isn't really setup for that kind of work. CorporateM (Talk) 07:47, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to remove promotional language and merge with [[Modern Jive]] 

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