Talk:Bulgarian vocabulary

message: I've listed this article at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Language and linguistics in an attempt to resolve the conflict.
Peter Isotalo 17:10, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, I saw the RfC and thought I'd take a peek.  Could someone please summarize what the concern is?  Elonka 07:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether the most appropriate title for this article is "Bulgarian vocabulary" or "Bulgarian lexis".  The other comments on this talk page relate directly to this question. Ξxtreme Unction|yakkity yak 12:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for summarizing.  Based on a brief view of the debate, I feel that I can see both sides.  The term "lexis" is indeed more precise for what is being discussed; however it is definitely not a word that is in common usage.  Looking at other examples on the Wikipedia, the term "<language> vocabulary" seems to be the standard that is being used (at least, if there is a "<language> lexis" article, I am unaware of it).  Doing a Google search on the terms, I got 170 hits when searching on "Bulgarian lexis", and 430 hits when searching on "Bulgarian vocabulary".  Another related term seems to be "Bulgar Vocabulary".  My own feeling at this point is that really either title would be appropriate, but if it were put to a vote, that I would choose "Bulgarian vocabulary", with redirects set up from the terms "Bulgar vocabulary", "Bulgar lexis", and "Bulgarian lexis".  It might also be worth setting up a Straw Poll on this page so that other wikipedians could take a look and easily vote.  I know that when I first followed the RfC link, I was a bit bewildered as to what exactly I should be commenting on, but a Straw Poll would help focus the question. Elonka 00:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Bulgar" isn't the same as "Bulgarian", see the article about Bulgars, who were a people of Central Asia, whereas the modern Bulgarians are a Slavic people, who got their name from the Bulgars.  → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → Talk 08:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: As the article is now, "lexis" is not more precise, it has the same value that "vocabulary" can have: all the words of a language. See these entries from Merriam-Webster, and I rest my case:, [,  (for the definition of lexis Merriam-Webster directs one to the 2a definition of lexicon, which has the same meaning as the 2a definition of vocabulary...). I would like someone to bring proof that lexis is more precise for the current purpose of this article. Vocabulary has the same value, is extremely more common, and is even used in some linguistic textbooks as we intend to use it; and it is the standard in Wikipedia. Alexander 007 01:06, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The words are different in certain situations.  For example, if someone were learning a language, they might say, "So far, I have a vocabulary of 75 words," or "my child has a vocabulary of 500 words".  To my knowledge, no one ever says, "I have a lexis of 75 words".  But even though the word "lexis" might be more precise for what this article is about, I would still vote for the more common term of "vocabulary".  For example, the Wikipedia page on dogs is labeled simply "Dog", not "Canis lupus familiaris", which is set up to redirect to the "Dog" page.  The general Wikipedia guideline is always to go for "most common English usage", which is why I think that the title of "Bulgarian vocabulary" is more appropriate.  Elonka 01:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed, it is more common and sufficient. What I meant was that as the article is now, the term vocabulary under its 2a definition is as precise as needed ("all the words of a language"). VMORO's wordreference.com link gave two definitions for lexis 1) all the words of a language (see vocabulary) 2) all the morphemes of a language. At present, the article is not discussing any morphemes that are not full words; and a definition of vocabulary can conceivably include "all the morphemes of a language" (though I have not found this explicitly stated yet). If somehow we agree to Bulgarian lexis or Bulgarian lexicon, then it will have to be applied to all such articles, but it seems kind of pedantic to me. Alexander 007 02:06, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, since a word is a unit of language that carries meaning, and no one can fully agree on what is and what is not a word, then any morpheme (=the smallest linguistic unit that can have a meaning) can also be considered a word; so "all the words of a language" (cf. vocabulary) is sufficient and precise. But anyway, such morphemes are not discussed in the article yet. Alexander 007 02:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: Should the title of this article be "Bulgarian lexis" or "Bulgarian vocabulary"?  Please place your vote below.
====In favor of "Bulgarian vocabulary"====
*As far as I can tell, the choice of terms like "lexis" (and "word-stock" in Bulgarian language) stems from its usage in The Slavonic Languages (Routledge 1993) where "lexis" is used consistently. Quite appropriate for a book intended for academics, but not for a dictionary intended for the general public. / Peter Isotalo 17:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw Poll

message: *As far as I can tell, the choice of terms like "lexis" (and "word-stock" in Bulgarian language) stems from its usage in The Slavonic Languages (Routledge 1993) where "lexis" is used consistently. Quite appropriate for a book intended for academics, but not for a dictionary intended for the general public. / Peter Isotalo 17:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: In favor of "Bulgarian vocabulary"

message: *I strongly favor either lexis or lexicon in this meaning. While vocabulary can have this meaning as well, it’s not usual, and I would understand Bulgarian vocabulary to mean nothing more or less than Bulgarian words. Lexicon is better known than lexis, and therefore it might be the best choice ... but lexis is almost as good. —Stephen 08:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: In favor of "Bulgarian lexis"

message: *Of the two, lexis is actually more correct than lexicon if it is agreed that this article will detail lexis in the full linguistic meaning of the term. Alexander 007 08:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: I'll get back to the dispute over the title, which is not a big deal, but should be standard for all Wiki articles of this type. Back to the article's text itself, the sound-change patterns on loanwords entering Bulgarian should be detailed. Alexander 007 03:47, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sound changes in loans

message: I thought the Bulgarian word for kidney was of Turkish origin (böbrek). --AimLook 15:50, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkish

message: The old history of this page from before the 2019 page move can be found at Talk:Bulgarian vocabulary/Old history — Wug·a·po·des​ 08:26, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old History