Talk:Bushwick, Brooklyn

message: this new netherland template is total crap.  it makes the article look like crap.  2 questions: how come brooklyn lacks an ugly template like this, and how come manhattan lacks an ugly template like this? 
this template is further example of rich white people trying to keep a community blighted.
:I don't think I see the template as "crap", but I may not agree with the current format/layout. If someone wants to research the history of New Netherland, Bushwick would be relevant. It is supposed to "float" to the right, so whitespace to the left should be avoided if possible. In my browser, whenever I click on a link in the template, the template "moves", and that may be why it's "ugly." But if it is converted to a template in the footer, the moving would probably be eliminated. Also, playing with the placement of images and the template may be helpful.
:Brooklyn has this template. Since there is no link in the template to Manhattan, the template is not included in that article.
:If you want to see a page that I think has a bad layout, see Gravesend, Brooklyn. Tinlinkin 13:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stupid New Netherland Template

message: "Nightlife for white residents remains a problem, and they will need to commute to Williamsburg or Manhattan for their own brand of excitement."
This is such a racist statement, and stupid besides. I'm Puerto Rican (that's right- FROM Puerto Rico) and just moved into the neighborhood, and while my crowd is the hipster and artist set, I am very much not white. Ignorant hateful punks.
-Gaby from Guaynabo City and now Bushwick!
:Okay then, if you know of nightlife spots,  for hipsters, families, or whatevers, please include them.  I'd love to know where to go locally.  I think its wrong to sayt nightlife for whites as well, and I have no idea who added that word. noremacmada
Starr Space, Silent Barn, Northeast Kingdom, Space Space, Collision Machine, Bushwick Starr.  Check out bushwickbk.com, there's been a big investment in the neighborhood and it remains more underground, probably in the way Williamsburg itself was 15-20 years ago.  And the wording really does need to be addressed.  It's nightlife for anyone who is interested in that kind of nightlife.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.8.15 (talk) 04:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nightlife for WHITES?

message: I added the (ed) as a translation as a translation fro colonial english to modern american english. While in colonial times, the humor in and the root of strand appeared clear to Bushwick residents, who must have found this region surrounded by bog and swamp inaccessable to be "stranded" from the rest of bushwick, no one today will ever feel that williamsburg is geographically stranded from the rest of mainland brooklyn.  The articles cited call the land "the strand," 310 years later, I think its safe to say that if they spoke todays english they'd call it the stranded. noremacmada
:Eh?  Today "strand" has been verbed, but was this already true 300 years ago?  Alas, I'm not near my books, but "strand" is Old English for "river bank" or "beach".  Eventually it came to be used nautically as "beached" meaning run aground upon a strand, but I thought in Shakespeare's time this hadn't happened yet.  Lacking direct evidence, isn't it more likely the term "Bushwick Strand" referred to mudflats along the Left Bank of Newtown Creek?  Jim.henderson 01:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Strand(ed)

message: Such as the Neighborhood section needs a reworking, it definitely is not objective in the least. That the "adventurous sort can cross Flushing Avenue, stroll down Knickerbocker Avenue" is not only a terrible way to put it but offensive as well. "The New Bushwick" section is also terrible, seeming like its just an advertisment for real estate agents trying to sell apartments to young "hip" kids in Bushwick. --Vsthesquares 17:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Reads Like An Advertisement

message: OK, the bickering about gentrification is getting old, so how bout we add Maria Hernandez and Irving Square to the parks section?  24.188.79.147 (talk) 02:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parks? 

message: Is it possible to provide street boundaries like is done for Bedford Stuyvesant, East New York, or  Brownsville?
Bushwick does not border Brownsville or East New York. It borders Ridgewood, East Williamsburd, and Bed Stuy. That's it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.213.212.216 (talk) 14:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boundaries 

message: Is it really necessary to call a neighborhood low-income in the first sentence? I realize that there may be truth to the description but there certainly has to be a more fair lead sentence. Is a neighborhood defined primarily by the income of it's residents or by other qualities like geography, architecture, industry, or by some quirky idiosyncrasy? I'm on the fence about it myself and I'm not sure whether is helps or hurts the residents.Warrenking (talk) 14:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead Paragraph "Low-income" mention

message: There should be more than just 5 sentences in the introduction to the article. To that end, perhaps including some of information regarding history or politics should be as I did here: . Also the picture in the introduction can be kept yet it should perhaps be re-sized as to not dominate the article. Also a map is perhaps more informative in the introduction that a picture of Knickerbocker Avenue. The Bed-Stuy article does a good job of demonstrating this, in fact it was the inspiration for my creating the same map with Bushwick highlighted.--El Mayimbe (talk) 01:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: May 2011

message: For hipsters/artists/yuppies/transplants/real-estate agents/investors in the neighborhood, etc. to stop messing with this wiki article that describes Bushwick with a neutral and objective tone and to stop trying to discuss changes in demographics when through to 2010 Bushwick is about 89% hispanic and black... Look up census data 2010 for the breakdown of the neighborhood demographics... This is not meant to sound racist though i'm sure I will have a hugh backlash for these comments but white folks don't need that much attention... If the demographics in a neighborhood were 90% white and asian and 9% hispanic and black there wouldn't be so much need to obsess over the fact the black and hispanic folks typically make their presence felt along such and such streets and avenues... because that would sound racist... 
Same notion should apply to all races... Furthermore if there has never been a section for the hispanic dominated restaurants, barber shops/salons, community centers, etc. then the 10-15 locations that cater to the new group does not need to be included either unless there is some special importance or historic significance to these places... 
By the way, this is not coming from an angry neighbor, or an upset renter whose been priced out or whatever... I live in Ridgewood.. this is simply coming from an objective standpoint seeing the incredible amount of interest that gets placed into these neighborhoods as soon as a couple of white folk move into the neighborhood... 
74.72.180.138 (talk) 16:55, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: What I'd like going forward

message: Because I know I do not want hack politicians to try to associate themselves with what is not their work.  In terms of white people, the article does not overly dwell on the changes in the neighborhood save to say that artist and professionals have been moving in.  The article does not assign race to these artists and professionals, and presumably, someone from any ethic background could be an artist or a professional.
The article as written is very neutral, and in fact counciously avoids race, save to say that Bushwick is noteably uniform in the ethnicity of its residents and that its residents are predominimantly Latino.  We also have pictures with Puerto Rican Flags in them.
I don't understand why we have to portray Bushwick as some impoverished ghetto.  I'd rather portray it as hat it is: A vibrant and fulfilling nieghborood in the shadow of Manhattan that has made it through the dark years of mafia infestation, the Great Society, and the crack epidemic, and is finally getting to experience a little bit of the good life in terms of attention from private and public capital.  Instead of fighting against the change, we should be asking how to turn it into something positive for all.
After all, who really wants to go back to the bad old days when you go out and sit on your stoop and three crackheads come by trying to sell you a bicycle they just stole from some kid for $10.  Do you?  Really?
I don't.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noremacmada (talk • contribs) 02:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: So what do you want?

message: The only reason why I said what I said was because some poster had originally posted a comment on here about including the changes in demographics specifically towards the wyckoff and irving avenues to give people a sense of where the white people are moving too... you cannot tell me that does not sound ridiculous...
If I were to post on here that Maspeth is mostly Polish but the hispanics, blacks and koreans are on these avenues... that would sound ridiculously bad... It would seem like I'm telling the people which avenues to avoid for fear of stepping into diversity... well here the proposal by the person's comment that I removed was that we do the opposite by encouraging folks to move into these areas that are now becoming predominantly white... 
I am perfectly fine with the way Bushwick is described on this page... It is exactly what it's supposed to be... objective. I don't think I have ever seen a neighborhood page had so many changes over the past couple of years as this one... It's like everyday people are looking for new things to include about the latest cafe that opened up on 56 himrod st. (random example, not really the case) or the latest condominium that opened up on wilson ave... These are not things that need to be posted on this page...
This page is supposed to include facts about this area and granted it should follow the changes which it has... I noticed you mentioned how this page has pictures of the puerto rican flags on it like it is a problem... You do realize that the Puerto rican population alone of hispanics in Bushwick outweighs the whites and asians by far in this neighborhood... This area is still about 50-60% Puerto Rican and Dominican and then another 20% all the other different hispanic communities... then its 20% black with most of them being Trinidad, Jamaica, Guyana, as well as a strong African American group as well typically along the Bed-stuy border but begin to make their presence felt more so past Wilson throughout. and then come the rest... The ghetto white and asian folk that have lived here for decades... and the new group maybe about 7% which includes the new artist/hipster/investor group mainly comprised of whites and asians... 
So, is the page wrong? No it's not... It's simply an objective page about the changes that have taken place in the neighborhood but still remain about 90% working class minorities. Once again, this page is not here to be an advertisement... This page is supposed to describe OBJECTIVELY the neighborhood in it's entirety... 
And for the record, crime is up in the area from last year... and the murder rate last year was higher than it was in 1998 when Bushwick had 12 murders... Last year has 13 murders and the crime rate had shot up from the previous year as well... Not exactly safe to walk around yet... 
198.61.20.166 (talk) 16:50, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: response

message: I agree that the current version of the article is objective.  I do not understand how the posters comment "We also have pictures with Puerto Rican Flags in them." can be percieved as having a negative connotation unless, for some reason, the person reading finds something disagreeable about pictures of three pieces of red, white, and blue fabric stitched together.  It seemed to me like the poster was highlighting the fact that the article openly acknowledges the predominant ethnicity both textually and graphically.
As far as crime "shooting up", I'm not a statistician....well actually....
But really, assaults and robberies are in line with the city's average.  If you can't walk around in Bushwick, then where can you walk around?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.52.133.8 (talk) 02:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: So then the current version is okay

message: I just finished reading the whole article... and the information that everyone has put on here describing it's history is fantastic... the whole article reads like a dream and describes it in it's totality. From the german breweries, to the italians mainly from sicily, to white flight, through the blackout, to the effects of revitalization and gentrification making the neighborhood attractive for artists and professionals... And the schools, city members, actors, parks and everything is broken down so neatly... Unless any dramatic changes in the neighborhood occur, the article should be left as is...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.180.138 (talk) 04:25, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Yes, the current version is good

message: The introduction to an article is supposed to convey a very brief, very high level description of the topic.  When the introduction delves into migration patterns and history, it it too low level.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noremacmada (talk • contribs) 00:40, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: You have a serious obsession with this site. I urge you to read about 85% of the other wiki articles and their page long introductions before you come up with another problem on this page... 
24.193.29.210 (talk) 21:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  response 

message: I undid the edits by this contributor. I am assuming good faith, yet the edits are quite biased. The contributor can edit so long as it is conducive to the improvement of the page.--El Mayimbe (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rbgnyc

message: The exact number of inhabitants of Bushwick is 129,239 ( http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/census/census2010/t_pl_p1_nta.pdf ). To correct it in the main page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by NYCFC (talk • contribs) 13:18, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exact population ( 2010 ) : 129,239 

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message: This thread is dedicated to all Sicilian immigrants/Sicilian Americans past and present who remembers the tight knit community and stronghold of Bushwick, Brooklyn. 24.44.28.93 (talk) 09:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sicilians of Bushwick