Talk:Michael Atiyah

message: Although I hadn't paid much attention to the Atiyah page, I certainly have now.  This effort to add controversy has also made me angry, as I'm sure it has others.  What better way to use that anger productively than to expand this article, take it for an FA and have it featured on the main page on Atiyah's 80th birthday, April 22, 2009.  I understand that everyone is busy with their own commitments, but since there is time, I feel that it could be done in small efforts here and there.  Atiyah's is an exemplary life, one of great interaction with a wide array of other mathematicians and physicists.  By adding narrative to the article, it could also become a kind of history of the mathematics of the second half of the 20th century.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By coincience, I just had the same idea, but decided it was too much work for just me.  It would be useful to have someone who knows math and can also write english, so I'll see  if I can get WillowW interested. R.e.b. (talk) 20:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal for April 22, 2009

message: As per Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms, Peacock terms like "greatest geometer of 20th Century" should be avoided. In this case , the source cited "abel prizr citation" does not support this.-Bharatveer (talk) 05:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Its still a peacock term and not exactly according to the source. It should be removed from the intro .-Bharatveer (talk) 11:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a direct quote from the Abel prize citation. According to the citation, Atiyah has been one of the most influential 20th century mathematicians. It says so in the source, which by WP:RS standards is cast iron, so that is why it is now in the article. Please do not use the word "peacock" when it is not applicable. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 11:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "greatest" is a peacock word. If you want to include it, you need to attribute it properly. "According to XX, Atiyah is greatest geometer of the 20th century". Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 12:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find "greatest" anywhere in the article at the time you wrote this so I don't see the relevance of your remark. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 12:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Nishkid64 looked at the mainspace article before posting his comment. He hadn't realised it had been changed. Mathsci (talk) 12:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did look at the article, but I didn't know you were the one who had changed the wording in the lede. Well, glad that's resolved! Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 12:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that you know, All's well that ends well!!-Bharatveer (talk) 13:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Avoid peacock terms

message: Several anonymous IPs have repeatedly inserted the claim that Atiyah has Lebanese nationality. While not implausible, there seem to be no reliable sources for this. Does anyone know  whether or not this claim is true? r.e.b. (talk) 15:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Both The International Who's Who 2004 and A Dictionary of Twentieth-Century World Biography (1993, OUP) list Atiyah as British. Gareth Jones (talk) 16:20, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lebanese nationality? 

message: In external links please consider adding this link to an in depth video of Sir Michael Atiyah telling his life story.  The video is freely available on the Web of Stories website (http://webofstories.com):
* Michael Atiyah video at Web of Stories
Fitzrovia calling (talk) 08:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: the quotes are interesting, but do they really need to be scattered through the article like that? personally i think it's somewhat distracting and awkward. also the quotes don't seem to have any relationship to the main text. is it standard for quotes to be placed in biographical articles like this? i'm not sure if having all those pictures of his collaborators really adds much to the article either 220.245.107.17 (talk) 11:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  quotes 

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message: Atiyah claimed that we has proved RH. Let's see. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:02, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to be a mistake for "Atiyah has claimed that he has proved Riemann's Hypothesis."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.187.227.92 (talk) 07:49, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Atiyah's claims about S6 and Feit-Thompson were not substantiated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C0:FC81:5A01:490D:F337:B618:5AFC (talk) 12:17, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

text: See https://www.quora.com/Sir-Michael-Atiyah-claims-to-have-proved-the-Riemann-hypothesis-What-do-you-think-of-it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C0:FC81:5A01:490D:F337:B618:5AFC (talk) 13:14, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: See https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/09/skepticism-surrounds-renowned-mathematician-s-attempted-proof-160-year-old-hypothesis  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.53.52.233 (talk) 07:47, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Atiyah says Riemann is famous and brilliant. Atiyah does not say what Riemann's fame and brilliance have to do with the hypothesis he mentions. Atiyah gabbles so fast and has such bad English that it is difficult to follow him. I abandoned listening to the alleged proof in a few seconds.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.66.28.249 (talk) 08:37, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: See https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/09/nice-try-but-i-am-now-99-confident-that.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C0:7C80:8401:F1F2:1543:7CD9:C1B9 (talk) 16:09, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The Todd function seems to have no clear definition.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C0:7C80:8401:F1F2:1543:7CD9:C1B9 (talk) 16:14, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: See https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2018/09/26/reading-into-atiyahs-proof/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C0:7C80:8401:E98D:D97A:2178:AA41 (talk) 17:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The suggestion has been made that the Todd function has an impossible collection of properties.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.202.173 (talk) 07:05, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: See https://gizmodo.com/mathematicians-skeptical-of-supposed-million-dollar-pro-1829301425  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.202.173 (talk) 07:05, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that the Todd function is defined in an unpublished paper.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.202.173 (talk) 07:08, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  RH proof claims 

message: Please provide the evidence that he has Lebanese citizenship. The paper says that L'academie  :"It brings together highly qualified Lebanese scientists working in Lebanon or abroad, as well as eminent foreign scientists -
some of them of Lebanese origin - who are eager to contribute to the development of science in Lebanon". There is no indication that he is Lebanese. Britannica and pretty much every other saurce calls him British mathematician. DMKR2005 (talk) 02:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The very same Lebanese newspaper in his obituary defined him as "Libano-Britannique"https://www.lorientlejour.com/article/1152467/sir-michael-atiyah-genie-des-mathematiques-et-defenseur-de-la-paix-mondiale-meurt-a-89-ans.html. It is well attested that his father was Lebanese and that he was an active member of the Lebanese diaspora <ref>https://www.lms.ac.uk/grants/atiyah-uk-lebanon-fellowships<\ref>. It is extremely racist on your part to try to remove his association with Lebanon and downplay his Lebanese roots.PopulationGeneticsLevant (talk) 13:03, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is hilarious. There is nothing racist about pointing out that he is British mathematician, and virtually all the sources describes him so. Calling him British-Lebanese is OR. You can point out that he had connection to Lebanon in the article without calling him British-Lebanese. Unless you provide the source that show he had Lebanese citizenship, I am going to remove it. DMKR2005 (talk) 15:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  You said when you deleted the "Lebanese" that the newspaper did not say he was Lebanese. I showed a reference of that same newspaper calling him: British-Lebanese. The same paper. Now you are trying to find a way to delete that he was Lebanese. It that's not racist, what is? PopulationGeneticsLevant (talk) 18:06, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article right now state that he has Lebanese nationality, which is simply incorrect. He was British and he did not have Lebanese citizenship. His ethnicity is Lebanese and Scottish. He certainly had connection to Lebanon and you can point that out in the article. Bur calling him British-Lebanese is incorrect and contradict pretty much all sources that we have. Here is Britannica calling British mathematician [], here is New York Times: [] or Hindustan times: []. I am not sure why are you upset about removing the word "Lebanese", the article acknowledge that he had Lebanese father. You are more than welcome to write about his connection to Lebanon. Calling people racist without any substance is unproductive. DMKR2005 (talk) 20:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  "The article right now state that he has Lebanese nationality, which is simply incorrect". How did you deem it to be incorrect? Do you have evidence that he is not Lebanese? He was involved in Lebanese affairs, in the AUB math center and was not in the academie as a foreign member. Lebanese papers call him Lebanese. However I would agree to be careful about the label. Limit-theorem (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  As a compromise, I removed the Lebanese from the infobox (until further details emerge), kept it in the lede. The infobox refers directly to nationality while the lede can be more general. Also the intro misses his influence on Ed Witten. Limit-theorem (talk)
I disagree that he should be called British-Lebanese. Wikipedia should reflect mainstream view. he is called British mathematician pretty much everywhere. Yes this paper [] seem to call him British-Lebanese, but it seems to be pretty fringe view. And even in this article he is describes as "This Briton of Lebanese father has distinguished himself..."(I used Google translation). I think we can add his connection to Lebanon in the article, as well as his involvement to Palestine-Israel conflict, but he should be called British, because that's what he was. If somebody can find information about his Lebanese citizenship then of cause we can call him British-Lebanese. DMKR2005 (talk) 21:59, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

text: The article says "British-Lebanese" and his nationality as seen in Lebanon is not a fringe view. Your ignorance of how the Lebanese see him is downright racist. PopulationGeneticsLevant (talk) 22:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  You failed do bring any evidence that he is called Lebanese other then some obscure article, and even this article calls him Briton. And you once again called me racist without any substance. He is British mathematician of Lebanese and Scottish descent. By the way can you provide any evidence how his nationality is seen in Lebanon? DMKR2005 (talk) 17:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

text: As far as I know, my father did not have lebanese nationality as such. David Atiyah. Beinno20 (talk) 16:44, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lebanese nationality 

message: The article says, " His proof, like many predecessors, is considered flawed by the mathematical community " . If the earlier mistakes are specified, a great deal of time will be saved. 81.152.184.132 (talk) 08:32, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  More information needed