Talk:Flag of Wales

message: Does anyone else think that Y Ddraig Goch should be merged with this? -  calum 17:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: How come that is not the national flag?  I think it is a political statement that England's Saint George the Dragonslayer rules over Wales's Dragon.  Besides, isn't the dragon a pagan symbol and aren't most Welsh people deeply Christian?  Éponyme 18:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Red Dragon is likely to be Celtic in Origin, and I feel that it symbolizes the fact that Wales is still a part celtic country. Although many religious groups have wanted to change the flag it has been upholded by traditional beliefs--McFlame 19:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Saint David 

message: Is there any reason for any of this "opposition" section to exist? A new political party surfaces and announces the dragon is satanic; fails to be elected; disappears off Google. What is encyclopedic about this? I can't find the party website, only stories in the press from around the time of the election. A case of undue weight? Telsa (talk) 18:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of replies, I have been bold. Zap. Telsa (talk) 09:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Satanic?

message: Why is there both  and  on Wikipedia? 212.137.63.86 (talk) 12:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two flags 

message: hate to be pedantic but where's the dragon on the maltese flag?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.73.132.82 (talk) 09:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I added the information to the article, but if you go to the Flag of Malta, enlarge the top flag, and within the George Cross is St George on horseback attacking the dragon. FruitMonkey (talk) 16:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion it's a bit tenuous to claim the dragon as a design element of the Maltese flag. OK, theoretically there's an image of Pistrucci's St George slaying the dragon in the middle of the George Cross, but in practice nobody would ever be able to see it if they were looking at the Maltese flag flying on a flagpole. I'm going to de-emphasise it. -- Arwel Parry (talk) 20:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the question. Is there, or isn't there a dragon on the Maltese flag? Yes or no. Size is not an issue. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:05, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes there is, and it deserves to be mentioned in this article. However it is a bit obscure, and so I am quite happy with Arwel's change. I'm not sure why you say that size is not an issue - remember that this is an article about the Welsh flag, not about flags with dragons on. Bazonka (talk) 07:09, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point, I too think the update is fine. I hit the talk page before seeing the ammendment. FruitMonkey (talk) 08:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malta 

message: I am waiting to hear why the Cross of St George is not the official flag of Wales seeing as it represents Wales on the country's sovereign flag, the Union Flag. I am sure there is a valid reason why the official Welsh flag is not the English flag but this article does not deal with it at all.219.89.230.157 (talk) 09:48, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The same could be said of the paragraph that starts: In 2007, the Welsh Christian Party adopted the stance that the Red Dragon was a symbol of the devil... I'll add Template:Importance-section to both sections. Ham 20:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: so the consensus is to remove both parts? Tinynanorobots (talk) 22:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exclusion 

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message: Whilst editing, my reason for doing so was cut short. Simply because the Welsh Flag was "accepted" by the British Heraldic establishment in 1959 does not mean it was not used by the people of Wales before that. (It quite obviously was, as any discussion with any Welsh person born before 1959 will show.) However, that is immaterial, as the onus of proof is on someone to prove that the use of the Welsh flag at the election of Lloyd George was wrong or anachronistic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.254.249 (talk) 01:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you mean this photo? It's so small that there's no way to be certain that the flag is identical to the modern one. For example, in a small grainy photo this particular flag may well appear to be identical to the modern one, but clearly it isn't!--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 23:22, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before 1959 

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message: The current exact version of the flag may be more recent than 1959. Issue 088 (Winter 1997) of the Flag Institute's journal, Flagmaster, refers to the 'design of the dragon approved in 1970'. Issue 142 (from 2012) of the same publication states that the 'pattern was defined in 1973'. Both referencing the current design. Christian Fogd Pedersen's International Flag Book in Colour (published 1971 for English language version, original Danish publication in 1970) illustrates a slightly different version of the dragon which it states is the correct version, and which appears to be virtually identical (except for having the normal background of white over green stripes) to the form of dragon shown (albeit on a green mound rather than stripe) in this link https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/g/gb-w-col.gif in the Flags of the World website page https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-wales.html. This indicates the pre-1953 & 1959-1970/1973 flag is different from the current design. Domhnallbeag (talk) 20:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern flag 

message: Some evidence has come to light of the first modern use of the dragon on a flag or draped standard.
# 1840 Liverpool Eisteddfod; silk dragon standard draped over a chair (Jobbins, page 43); suggestions for an "order of Knighthood for Wales" and suggestion of a golden dragon drape, Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald 1, the report of the event cited a red dragon with a motto "y ddraig goch a ddyle gychwyn", Carnarvon and Denbigh Herald 2
# 1842 Abergavenny Eisteddfod; banners used with a red dragon (Illustrated London News)
# Ship Mimosa in 1865 (Jobbins, page 40), (Sea Breezes) etc.
Could someone add this to the article, please? Would be much appreciated, thanks. Titus Gold (talk) 16:26, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  First modern use - could someone please add this to the article