Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Oceania

message: Wondering about the article name, shouldn't it be "Oceanic Countries"? I've always heard it called that. However, I may be wrong, so I will not make any changes. PerfectStorm 05:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes, this explanation makes good sense to me, thought I'm not an expert in the field.  Walkerma 05:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I created two redirects, from "List of Oceanic countries" and "List of countries in Oceania". Walkerma 05:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct Grammar in title?

message: There's overlap with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asian_countries. Some are in both. I think that's reasonable.
I think it's less reasonable that some which are nearby others listed both here and there are not listed here. For instance Malaysia has some territory ajoining Indonesia, separated from the mainland. 
I don't consider myself expert enough on regional geographic agreement to sort this out. Perhaps someone more expert would like to chip in?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.38.144 (talk) 15:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mismatching lists 

message: It seems that the Ogasawara Islands should not be in this list, being further north than the northern extent of Oceania.--Jeffro77 (talk) 16:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ogasawara Islands 

message: I am going to re-design the article to make it more like List of European countries and territories, which looks better and has much more information. McLerristarr (Mclay1) (talk) 12:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-design 

message: Every other continental list has maps of where the country is. I'd like to go with the example on the European list and have a standard map of Oceania in which the relevant country is highlighted. This could work for territories as well. The best map I can find that shows all the countries (which, being small island countries, do not show up on your basic map) is:
If someone with the technical knowhow can rework that into perhaps standard grey colouration so it is easy to highlight parts of it that would be amazing. If they can make it an svg, even better. If not, a basic png in which countries can be easily highlighted would be very useful indeed. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 08:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps 

message: Location maps found for the following territoires, not sure if they should be added until they have all been found.
American Samoa:  - Standard map form (that being the most common one on the country maps)
Baker Island:  
Clipperton Island:  - In french, locates in relation to North America instead of the rest of Oceania
Cook Islands:  - Standard map form
Easter Island:  -  - 2nd is zoomed more, but shows in relation to South America
French Polynesia: - Standard map form
Guam:  - Standard map form but with a red circle not in any others
Hawaii:  - In relation to Pacific rather than the USA
Howland Island:  - Less detailed than similar maps
Jarvis Island: 
Johnston Atoll:  - Standard map form
Juan Fernandez Islands:  - 50px 2nd is zoomed more, but shows in relation to South America
Kingman Reef: 
Marcus Island:  - In Japanese...
Midway Atoll: 
New Caledonia:  - Standard map form
Niue:  - Standard map form
Norfolk Island:  - Shows in relation to Australia and New Zealand
Northern Mariana Islands:  - Standard map form
Okinotori Islands:  - Uses Japanese name, shows in relation to Japan/East Asia
Palmrya Atoll:  
Papua:  - Shows in relation to Indonesia, although by slightly editing Papua New Guinea map a better one could be made
Pitcairn Islands:  -  - First in relation to South America, second in Pacific with outher areas.
Tokelau:  - Standard map form
Wake Island:  - Standard map form
Wallis and Futuna:  - Standard map form
West Papua:  - Same as Papua above  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chipmunkdavis (talk • contribs) 14:27, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Territory maps

message: There has been an extensive debate over at Talk:List of European countries and territories about what should and should not be included in the list because of the title. Most editors there support moving the page to either List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe or List of European sovereign states and territories. If the European list is moved it is likely this list will be moved as well in the next few days unless there is opposition to such a move here. It would help to avoid confusion and disputes if the all of these lists (countries and territories by continents) have the same title. Saying sovereign state rather than country is a more precise term and is in line with the fact List of countries redirects to the list of sovereign states article. 
If you have thoughts on the title please raise them here or ideally join the debate at Talk:List of European countries and territories. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 19:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: The intro cites that the majority of continental land in Oceania is made up of australia, it might be wise to also mention that the rest is made up of Zealandia since the only other continental fragments in oceania come from that continent.XavierGreen (talk) 19:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the rest isn't, but Zeelandia is the only other major continental shelf. I guess it can be added, I'll hunt around for sources later. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Zealandia

message: In these lists, the feature for sorting the lists in order by area was not working correctly; I went through and added code for each country to make it work.  Also, unlike the others (Europe and Asia) that I've done recently, in addition to the sovereign states, I did the list of dependent territories.  I undertook that because in this case there were so many of them--enough to make it worth the trouble.  140.147.236.195 (talk) 16:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed the feature for sorting by area 

message: An image used in this article, , has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests November 2011 
;What should I do?
Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.
* If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
* If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.
This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 19:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: File:Orthographic projection centred over Easter Island.png Nominated for Deletion

message: I 'm going to change name of sections:
1. "UN member states" into "Sovereign states"
2. "States not members of the UN" into "Associated states".
Also, I want to correct some information on the topic: for example, I'm trying to note that CI/Niue have unique status, but they are not sovereign (because there are sources we have already found saying they are not separate and sovereign states), however their status is equivalent for independence. Nevertheless, User:Ladril doesn't agree on the matter. I can't understand why. Who agree or disagree with me? If disagree, explain please. User02062000 (talk) 17:55, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with you because there are sources that say that CI and Niue are separate and sovereign states. There is a consensus about the matter that you hopefully are not trying to override. Ladril (talk) 14:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated States section 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Oceania. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20030820155859/http://www.dfat.gov.au/aib/island_continent.html to http://www.dfat.gov.au/aib/island_continent.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 13:06, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Oceania. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100724124146/http://endpoverty2015.org/en/asia/news/marcos-diaz-crosses-oceania-asia-border-raise-awareness-mdgs/13/may/10 to http://www.endpoverty2015.org/en/asia/news/marcos-diaz-crosses-oceania-asia-border-raise-awareness-mdgs/13/may/10
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 15:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
* 
Participate in the deletion discussion at the . —Community Tech bot (talk) 14:08, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: created new timeline article 2019 in Oceania. this is partially because we did not have individual timeline articles for some countries, eg 2019 in Samoa, 2019 in Tuvalu, 2019 in East Timor, 2019 in Kiribati, 2019 in the Marshall Islands, 2019 in Nauru, etc etc. --Sm8900 (talk) 13:20, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  new timeline article 

message: An IP account just removed East Timor and Indonesia from the article, and it was reverted so that the issue can be discussed in the Talk page.  Until I saw the deletion and reversion, I had not noticed that Indonesia and East Timor were listed as UN member states within Oceania.  I don't know when they were added, but it appears to me that the article historically must have included in its list of UN member states only the 14 that are mostly within Oceania (and thus are traditionally considered to be Oceanian states), given that the introduction to the section refers to "all 14 states" (which happens to be the number of UN member states that lie mostly within Oceania).
East Timor is considered to be a Southeast Asian state by the overwhelming majority of geographers, as it lies west of the Lydekker line; in fact it even lies west of the Weber line.  See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lydekker#/media/File:Map_of_Sunda_and_Sahul.png  In addition, East Timor is a member of Southeast Asian regional organizations, and is classified by the UN as part of the South-eastern Asia subregion.  East Timor is not part of Australasia, Melanesia, Micronesia or Polynesia, so it should not be included in this article.
Indonesia, on the other hand, does have a portion of its territory within Oceania (western New Guinea and a few neighboring islands, but its Oceanian territory comprises less than 25% of Indonesia's land and less than 2% of its population.  Indonesia's relationship with Oceania is not very different from that of the United States, which has a small portion of its territory and population within Oceania (the State of Hawaii and several territories, most prominently Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands and American Samoa).  Also, Japan's Micronesian Islands (Bonin Islands, Volcano Islands, etc.) are administratively a constituent part of Japan (the Ogasawara Village), so Japan is also an Asian state that is partially located on Oceania.
Given that territory within Oceania constitutes an integral part of Indonesia (the provinces of Papua and West Papua), Japan (the Ogasawara Village) and the United States (the State of Hawaii and the incorporated territory of Palmyra Atoll), but that none of them are Oceanian countries (Indonesia and Japan are Asian and the United States is North American), it seems to me that there should be a section for non-Oceanian UN member states that are partly located within Oceania.  Relatedly, the article's section on dependent territories (labelled "non-sovereign territories," but, of course, the article's title speaks only of "sovereign states" and "dependent territories") should not include the Indonesian provinces of Papua and West Papua, the Japanese sub-prefecture of Ogasawara Village, the U.S. state of Hawaii and the U.S. incorporated territory of Palmyra Atoll.  Those political subdivisions of non-Oceanian sovereign states should be described in their respective nations' entries in the section for non-Oceanian UN member states that are partly located within Oceania.
What do other editors think about my proposal?  I am pinging the registered editors who have edited the article during the past six months:
AuH2ORepublican (talk) 01:58, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This has always been an issue, lots of people with back and forth opinions and few sources on the matter. The same thing happens on the Asia page with Christmas Island and Cocos Keeling. I see the potential value of such a section, but it would need a different title. "non-Oceanian" is an inherently circular concept, and there's nothing that makes a state intrinsically "Oceanian". The solution in the Europe page was just to lump all countries onto the single list, with explanations in the text preceding it, without getting into subdivisions, so this proposal matches that in a way. There'd have to be some inclusion criteria though, Britannica has no less than 4 definitions of Oceania in its article, from including the entirety of Japan to not including Australia. CMD (talk) 02:14, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has clearly been expanded beyond its scope and original purpose. The first line of the article is "This is a list of sovereign states and dependent territories in the geopolitical region of Oceania." This category of "Non-sovereign territories" is a lumping together of the dependent territories (in scope) and fully constituent parts of sovereign states (out of scope) of the article. The entries that are not on the list of dependent territories (e.g. Easter Island, Galapagos, Hawaii, Ogasawara Village, etc.) should be pulled out of the section, and the section be renamed as "Dependent Territories" to match the scope of the article. The entries that were pulled out can still be referred to in this article, if need be (in their own smaller list if you wish), but the emphasis must be on those soverign states that are fully associated with Oceania, and those dependent territories that are associated with Oceania, i.e. those entities of which that could be considered to be within its boundaries. It should be noted that the idea of including East Timor as an entry specifically is more justifiable, since, as the article states in the lede, "The boundary between Asia and Oceania is not clearly defined." (Boundaries between the continents of Earth#Asia and Australia). - Wiz9999 (talk) 10:39, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The original scope was "countries", soon "countries and territories". The current title actually has nothing to do with this article, it is a result of the continuous addition of England etc. to the Europe article, following which all of these articles were moved. We shouldn't be basing the article scope or structure on the specific title semantics. CMD (talk) 11:51, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Hi. I just did a minor edition one time, hahaha. Anyway, I won't speak a lot but I suggest following the criteria of most geographers. The UN not necessarily follows this criteria, but rather a political one so I don't think we should guide ourselves only by the UN. Also, we could include a new section with countries that are partially in Oceania, like Chile, my country. Greetings to everyone, James2813 (talk) 11:38, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  East Timor, Indonesia, the United States and Japan 

message: Palau and Marshall Islands are put in America blue instead of independent grey, bizarre given them being independent for decades. As it even says on this very article! 2601:643:C003:6DF0:28B7:B067:B56C:24 (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exclusive Economic Zones map oddity 

message: The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
* 
Participate in the deletion discussion at the . —Community Tech bot (talk) 04:06, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: when you go to sort by land area 2601:404:D281:A30:C926:38CC:7C9:B176 (talk) 23:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. CMD (talk) 09:25, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiji 

message: like other continents have, in this same pattern: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Africa_(orthographic_projection).svg 177.86.22.177 (talk) 21:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing: orthographic projection SVG