Talk:Rogier van der Weyden

message: I have removed a very long section on one work because:
:a) It was disproportionately long for one work, not usually considered major.
:b) It was oddly written, not in wiki-style, with no links or paragraphs. Among other things it failed to make clear which work was being discussed - the Houston one?  Why "infamous"?
:c) It would be more appropriate in a separate article on that work, but needs a good deal of editing. Johnbod (talk) 09:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section removed 

message: No surviving work of art can be attributed on the basis of fifteenth century documentary evidence to Rogier van der Weyden. This sentence does not read well and I restored the original sentence: Not a single work that can be attributed with certainty (on the basis of documentary evidence) to Rogier van der Weyden survives....Modernist (talk) 22:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've re-written to give sense that Campbell & De Vos consider three paintings by Van der Weyden to be (in Campbell's words) "well-authenticated". I think the former initial sentence "Not a single work that can be attributed with certainty (on the basis of documentary evidence) to Rogier van der Weyden survives." is too absolute. Campbell argues that the 16th century documentation of 'The Deposition' in The Prado, Madrid, demonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt that the painting is by Van der Weyden. He also believes the documentary & technical evidence supporting the 'Crucifixion', Escorial, and the  'Miraflores Altarpiece', now in Berlin, make the 2 pictures "well-authenticated". Campbell further argues that 'The Magdalene Reading' in the National Gallery London, is "one of Rogier's most important early works".Campbell, The Fifteenth Century Netherlandish Schools, National Gallery, London, 1998, p. 405. Haven't had time to do that one. Mick gold (talk) 14:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you should add a proviso - as you say above: - 
However Campbell argues that the 16th century documentation of 'The Deposition' in The Prado, Madrid, demonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt that the painting is by Van der Weyden. Campbell further argues that 'The Magdalene Reading' in the National Gallery London, is also "one of Rogier's most important early works" etc.
Good work so far! Modernist (talk) 14:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes

message: Hello, User Ceoil.  You added to the lede in Rogier's article the following statement:
By 1439 both Rogier and Elisabeth [his wife] had died, evidenced by documents recording the division of their property amongst their children.
This statement cannot be correct, as Rogier is recorded as living until 1464.  I do not know how the error arose, but I will be deleting the statement altogether. Nandt1 (talk) 04:01, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you mean his parents maybe? Johnbod (talk) 19:25, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the source (LC's big book) witin two feet, will fix. Prob a typo or something. Ceoil sláinte 20:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Error in Rogier van der Weyden Biography

message: Rogier van der Weyden like Bruegel has enough info to merit an old masters infobox. Rizalninoynapoleon (talk) 15:04, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a question of that. An infobox takes up space needed for images and, as with many art articles, the local editors prefer not to have one. Johnbod (talk) 15:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this article would be better without a box. --Kleinzach 00:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: i think you are trying to hold back the linked open data tide. Duckduckstop (talk) 18:35, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

text: Why? There are no Wikipedia rules for that one for the article of the artist's to have the infobox. And for another cause it is so too disappointing to trash out that I already made infobox for this artist. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 05:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artist's infobox 

message: i'm nominating for GA since the revscore indicates FA https://ores.wmflabs.org/scores/enwiki/wp10/711866543/ -- Duckduckstop (talk) 18:34, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Duckduck. The article has never been given serious attention and is weak, though it has most of the facts. Its underdeveloped for GA, though I would love to see that happen at some time. Ceoil (talk) 22:15, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the assessment by someone who has made over 100 edits to the article—exactly the reason that potential nominators who have not edited the article are supposed to consult here prior to nominating—I'm removing the nomination. It's yet another demonstration of why the revscore algorithm is insufficiently accurate for basing nominations: as the article is underdeveloped for GA, the FA prediction is clearly wildly off. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:12, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nomination

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message: *No, we still don't want one. Johnbod (talk) 15:24, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you have added one & been reverted twice, so it seems time for another discussion. Given the previous discussion, consensus for a box is needed. I might add there are a number of issues with the box you added, but the main principle comes first. Johnbod (talk) 16:15, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not necessary to have a consensus for this and it is not part of the WP rule anymore. Are you making a rule that is not part of the WP. Then, if it is a WP rule, then list down it here. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 04:04, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Those are easily fixed - the lead is now only 3 paras. If we have an infobox it would not be as added by JeBonSer, which has various problems. Johnbod (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What were the problems? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 14:44, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, its too long and arbitrary for starters. I have no real preference re infoboxes or not, but lean against here as as said too long and random. I'd, at min, loose "Education:Robert Campin (disputed)" as its a theory (and we know little of Campin anyway; many of the attributions are debatable), and the Patron(s) section. Have a real prob with "Notable works" for major artists, ie how are they selected, and how many are included. Ceoil (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree; too long, and infoboxes have a way of making doubtful information and educated guesses look definitive. Ewulp (talk) 00:06, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Certainly much better, but I'd still rather not have one, and add this info to the lead. The dubious imaginary "portrait" from a century+ after his death already takes up a lot of space at the top. That could go much lower, imo, and the misleading caption "Rogier van der Weyden, portrait by Cornelis Cort, 1572" reworked. And can't the Latin verse be cropped? Johnbod (talk) 16:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wary as well as weary, I expect! Hope your summer is going ok, Johnbod (talk) 02:14, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: All is well thanks, although this heat! Ceoil (talk) 09:16, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox again