Talk:Republic of South Maluku

message: In recent days I have attempted to upgrade the article by giving it more structure, eliminating gram errors, adding some recent info and moving the picture (flag) to the correct section. The South Moluccas being a geo part of the Indonesian islands and the RMS being an organisation related to this geo area. 
However when re-reading certain elements remain somewhat contentious. The often repeated self proclaimed/declared republic (RMS) sounds a tat biased as in a historic timeframe that would also be applicable for the Republic of Indonesia. But isnt used as such for RI.
JOHN NATHANN 18:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article upgrade

message: Hi BlueCall, hope you like the images.
I think I understand most amendments you made to the sentences (tue 27mar). But with regard to the grammar the changes are not quite right.    
Original text:
 + The Moluccas were part of the Dutch East Indies, a colony of the Netherlands, since its conception in the 18th century. 
When Indonesian revolutionary leaders declared the independent Republic of Indonesia, the south Moluccas were automatically considered part of that country. 
Indonesia's war for independence lasted from 1945 until December 27, 1949    
Changed text in bold:
 + The Moluccas were part of the Dutch East Indies, a colony of the Netherlands, since its conception in the 18th century. 
When Indonesian revolutionary leaders declared the independent Republic of Indonesia, the south Moluccas were the part of that country, declared by its freedom fighters. 
Indonesia's struggle for independence recognition lasted from 1945 until December 27, 1949
Suggest:
 + The Moluccas were part of the Dutch East Indies, a colony of the Netherlands, since its conception in the 18th century. 
When Indonesian revolutionary leaders declared the independent Republic of Indonesia, the South Moluccas were automatically considered part of that country. 
Indonesia's struggle for recognition of its independence lasted from 1945 until December 27, 1949
So the second sentence would stay the same as I think its says the same thing basically i.e. Sukarno considered the entire colony of the Dutch East Indies part of the RI. (Of course he even considered some parts of the former English colonies also part of RI e.g. English Borneo.)
The third sentence is enhanced in line with yr amendment. But without the grammar issue.
Krgds, JOHN NATHANN 19:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar

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message: I too had some stamps with the name "Maluku Selatan" on them, in the mid-1970s. It was difficult then to determine where they were from. Does anyone know where they would have been printed and used? Badagnani 09:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: - @Badagnani: I can't answer this question but at least you can upload it to :commons: first Azmi1995 (talk) 14:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stamps 

message: I found the article very limited in scope and view on matters supposedly related to the south moluccas. As a south moluccan in diaspora I felt obliged to contribute. Amato, Peter PETE PATTI (talk) 00:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Pete, thanks for your additions, especially sourcing the statements. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 01:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest additions

message: First of all, this entire entry seems to have been written by representatives of the Dutch government as a whitewash of the real history. 
1. There are a number of references where the author categorizes Mollucan demands as "impossible" or "aims of these actions were not very clear”. That is a patronizing value judgment and a political position by the author. Instead of telling the reader what to think, the demands should simply be listed and spelled out, allowing the reader to decide whether they are impossible or unclear or not. 
2. The article completely fails to accurately describe the Dutch post-WWII divide-and-rule policy of Balkanization by "Federalism", which was aimed at defeating the independence movement by promoting regional hatreds. This was not some debate over how best to organize government. It was similar to the demand by the British for the establishment of a Moslem state (Pakistan) in order to weaken if not thwart the independence movement. This is fundamental to understanding the context of the Dutch manipulation of the Molluccans. 
3. Molluccan unemployment, etc. This is simply presented as a Molluccan problem, as if the Molluccans were not ghettoized and systematically discriminated against. The housing is described as military like "barracks". Perhaps a more apt description would be concentration or detention camps. What sort of freedom of movement did they have? Not much I assume. Let's not cover up. As for unemployment, the entry is written it can be understood to imply that perhaps the Molluccans were just lazy. ("The social situation left much to be desired, school attainments were low and unemployment high.") Why couldn't they find jobs from all those nice Dutch bosses?? Hmm?  
4. The authors should refrain from pseudo-psychoanalytic political gibberish such as the following, "Moreover the isolated situation in the camps and neighbourhoods had given rise to a type of expressive leadership that could only manifest itself in opposing and confronting the CAZ and the Dutch in general."  "expressive leadership" What?! Please, just the facts. Gee, why would the Moluccans want to oppose and confront the nice Dutch government, and the agency in charge of their detention? Was this written by the CAZ?
5. "Dutch government had already dropped the idea that the Moluccans were temporary residents, but had not been able to create a channel of communication through which to discuss and implement policy measures that opened a way to the future." Please, the poor Dutch government couldn't figure out how to talk to the Moluccans. This is a crass apology for the government's apartheid policy.
6. Patronizing and racist devaluing of non-Dutch. 
"Partly because the second generation was already much more oriented to Dutch society, partly as a result of the policy of affirmative action, participation in the labour market and in the school system developed positively after 1980." 
"A majority of this population identifies itself to a certain extent with the Moluccan islands where their families once came from, but this identification seems less and less an impediment to integration in Dutch society. In this sense the Moluccans have at last become 'normal immigrants'." (normal immigrants!!!!!!! How incredibly arrogant) So submission to the glorious Dutch culture is the secret to success?? 
7. “…celebrations of the RMS independence declaration frequently resulted in flared sentiments or even heavy riots in the streets of the capital.” Frequent?? I watched the video indicated in the footnote. I saw a peaceful march of families with small children, organized by marshalls with armbands to keep order. Then I saw a bunch of Dutch cops in riot gear, clearly a provocation given the whole history, engage with some kids who trashed some cars. Perhaps the author has never seen a "heavy riot." 
8. The whole tone of the article is a laughable attempt to portray some martial culture as the reason behind the violent savage Moluccans. A clear lesson of history is that when people engage in acts of violence with broad support of their people, it only comes as a reaction to brutal repression. I have no doubt that the Dutch government and in particular the cops have been more than brutal to the Moluccans. How about a little analysis of that?
9. I happen to disagree with the damand for a RMS. Sadly, the Moluccans fell for a Dutch scam to use them against their own people. It is akin to the use of the Hmong by the United States against the Vietnamese, to this very day. Throughout colonial history, the colonial masters always sought to divide and rule. Inevitably, they used certain groups as military force against others in order to promote so-called "ethnic" or "religious" hatreds. Such was the case with the British using Moslems and Sikhs against Hindus, or the Belgians using the Hutu as the military force against Tutsi (which by the way the so-called Hutu and Tutsi were an invention of the Belgian colonialists). So, why don't you put together an article that approaches a modicum of objectivity on the nefarious role of the Dutch? 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.233.117 (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for greater accuracy and objectivity 

message: ===First===
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/indonesia-approves-moluccan-change-course
The Indonesian ambassador to the Netherlands, Yunus Effendi Habibie has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that Indonesia is pleased that the exiled Moluccan government is no longer striving for an independent state.
According to the ambassdor Moluccans already have autonomy, so the present situation need not be changed. He rejects full Moluccan independence. Mr Habibie's comments come in reponse to a decision by the new president of the Moluccan government-in-exile, John Wattilete's words that an independent Moluccan state is no longer its absolute priority.
Although independence is still the ultimate goal, he says he would be satisfied with a form of autonomy similar to that introduced in Aceh. "The most important thing is that Moluccans themselves are in charge."
 
The government of the self-styled Republik Maluku Selatan has been exiled in the Netherlands since 1966, following an attempt at independence in 1950 which was swiftly put down by the Indonesian army. During the 1970s they attempted to gain publicity for their cause with a number of violent actions in the Netherlands including occupations and the hijacking of a train.
John Wattilete takes over the RMS presidency in the autumn. He is the first to come from the second generation of Moluccans in the Netherlands and is regarded as more pragmatic than previous leaders. 
===Second===
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/moluccan-exiles-will-settle-autonomy
The new president of the Moluccan government-in-exile says an independent Moluccan state is no longer its absolute priority. In an interview with the Dutch daily Nederlands Dagblad, John Wattilete says he is prepared to place the future of the islands in the hands of the people and if they no longer wish to fight for independence from Indonesia then "he would accept the consequences".
However, he added that he was not advocating a referendum since Indonesia systematically suppresses supporters of independence. He called on the Indonesian and Dutch governments to work towards greater freedom of speech in the Moluccas.  Although independence is still the ultimate goal, he says he would be satisfied with a form of autonomy similar to that introduced in Aceh. "The most important thing is that Moluccans themselves are in charge."
 
The government of the self-styled Republik Maluku Selatan has been exiled in the Netherlands since 1966, following an attempt at independence in 1950 which was swiftly put down by the Indonesian army. Many exiled Moluccans expected the Netherlands, as the ex-colonial power in Indonesia, to help press their case for independence. During the 1970s, disillusioned by the lack of action from successive Dutch governments,  some exiles attempted to gain publicity for their cause with a number of violent actions including occupations and the hijacking of a train.
 
John Wattilete takes over the RMS presidency in the autumn. He is the first to come from the second generation of Moluccans in the Netherlands and is regarded as more pragmatic than previous leaders.
Reindra (talk) 08:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: RMS new way

message: http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/moluccan-exiles-will-settle-autonomy
The new president of the Moluccan government-in-exile says an independent Moluccan state is no longer its absolute priority. In an interview with the Dutch daily Nederlands Dagblad, John Wattilete says he is prepared to place the future of the islands in the hands of the people and if they no longer wish to fight for independence from Indonesia then "he would accept the consequences".
However, he added that he was not advocating a referendum since Indonesia systematically suppresses supporters of independence. He called on the Indonesian and Dutch governments to work towards greater freedom of speech in the Moluccas.  Although independence is still the ultimate goal, he says he would be satisfied with a form of autonomy similar to that introduced in Aceh. "The most important thing is that Moluccans themselves are in charge."
 
The government of the self-styled Republik Maluku Selatan has been exiled in the Netherlands since 1966, following an attempt at independence in 1950 which was swiftly put down by the Indonesian army. Many exiled Moluccans expected the Netherlands, as the ex-colonial power in Indonesia, to help press their case for independence. During the 1970s, disillusioned by the lack of action from successive Dutch governments,  some exiles attempted to gain publicity for their cause with a number of violent actions including occupations and the hijacking of a train.
 
John Wattilete takes over the RMS presidency in the autumn. He is the first to come from the second generation of Moluccans in the Netherlands and is regarded as more pragmatic than previous leaders.
Reindra (talk) 08:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Second

message: I’d like to work on sorting these articles out over the next week. I propose making this article about the South Maluku people, and the other article can remain focussed on the RMS. I have started shifting info from this page to the RMS page. This page should be moved to South Maluku people or similar, and the lead re-written. While there must be some overlap to maintain coherency, it should be strategic and not just repeated info pasted into two or more articles. --Merbabu (talk) 02:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fine to me! However I wont be online much this month. Traveling home (through dodgy snowstorms)  for the holiday season etc. So will need some more time to contribute. Only remark for now: Most ref links in both articles use South Moluccas iso South Maluku. E.g. http://www.rnw.nl/english/category/tags-english/john-wattilete , including the UNPO website and their own (FKM/RMS) website. I'll try to be back (online) soon. Krgds and holiday greetings, Karl --KARL RAN (talk) 17:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: December 2010

message: Colonel Gaddafi supported the Maluku seperatists, Free Papua Movement and the Aceh separatists.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801
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=== More sources ===
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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801
http://books.google.com/books?id=i4h0AAAAMAAJ&q=Hassan+di+Tiro+himself+makes+the+crucial+decisions,+and+runs+a+personal+network+of+contacts+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+tene&dq=Hassan+di+Tiro+himself+makes+the+crucial+decisions,+and+runs+a+personal+network+of+contacts+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+tene&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eUUKUvjwA8HCywH26IG4Dg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA
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Title	Pacific Islands Monthly, Volume 59
Publisher	Pacific Publications., 1988
Original from	the University of Michigan
Digitized	Sep 15, 2008
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http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.+%22They+come+to+Tripoli+sometimes,+but+we+are+always+in+touch,+above+ground+and+underground,+inside+and+outside,+and+I+shall+see+to+it+when+Aceh+wins+so+do+OPM+and+the+Moluccans.%22+Hassan+di+Tiro's+alliance+with+...&dq=%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.+%22They+come+to+Tripoli+sometimes,+but+we+are+always+in+touch,+above+ground+and+underground,+inside+and+outside,+and+I+shall+see+to+it+when+Aceh+wins+so+do+OPM+and+the+Moluccans.%22+Hassan+di+Tiro's+alliance+with+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oGZLU4aCN5W_sQSB2oDICw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=Although+Hassan+di+Tiro+is+predictably+coy+about+the+details+of+Libyan+support+for+radical+movements,+claiming+Mathaba+only+provides+money,+reliable+reports+suggest+arms+shipments+have+gone+to+groups+such+as+the+Philippines+Muslim+Moro+rebels.+More+common+are+the+%22training+courses%22+provided+in+past+years+to+cadres&dq=Although+Hassan+di+Tiro+is+predictably+coy+about+the+details+of+Libyan+support+for+radical+movements,+claiming+Mathaba+only+provides+money,+reliable+reports+suggest+arms+shipments+have+gone+to+groups+such+as+the+Philippines+Muslim+Moro+rebels.+More+common+are+the+%22training+courses%22+provided+in+past+years+to+cadres&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VmhLU7X3Gau_sQSEvIKoAg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
 
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=Hassen+di+Tiro's+way+of+operating+the+Mathaba+Front+seems+to+rely+on+close+personal+links+between+key+leaders.+Of+radical+Kanak+leader+Yann+Celene+Uregei,+he+says.+%22We+are+so+close+they+make+me+their+spokesman+when+they+are+not+here.&dq=Hassen+di+Tiro's+way+of+operating+the+Mathaba+Front+seems+to+rely+on+close+personal+links+between+key+leaders.+Of+radical+Kanak+leader+Yann+Celene+Uregei,+he+says.+%22We+are+so+close+they+make+me+their+spokesman+when+they+are+not+here.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mWdLU_S4KKLesAT8p4LYBw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
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Title	Pacific Islands Monthly: PIM., Volume 59, Issues 1-10
Publisher	Pacific Publications, 1988
Original from	the University of Virginia
Digitized	Apr 8, 2009
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964515,00.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=aDgnAQAAIAAJ&q=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&dq=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&hl=en&sa=X&ei=okUKUvzFJsSEyAGW2YCQDA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA
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Rajmaan (talk) 19:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maluku separatist alliance with Libya under Gaddafi and the Free Ach Movement and the Free Papua Movement 

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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801
http://books.google.com/books?id=i4h0AAAAMAAJ&q=Hassan+di+Tiro+himself+makes+the+crucial+decisions,+and+runs+a+personal+network+of+contacts+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+tene&dq=Hassan+di+Tiro+himself+makes+the+crucial+decisions,+and+runs+a+personal+network+of+contacts+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+tene&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eUUKUvjwA8HCywH26IG4Dg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=i4h0AAAAMAAJ&q=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee&dq=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BVQhU4y3K-PD0QG0g4GwDg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA
Title	Pacific Islands Monthly, Volume 59
Publisher	Pacific Publications., 1988
Original from	the University of Michigan
Digitized	Sep 15, 2008
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee.+In+an+exclusive+interview+with&dq=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee.+In+an+exclusive+interview+with&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uTdDU8u6FqPu2gXHhIH4Dg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=In+an+exclusive+interview+with+Pacific+Islands+Monthly,+at+his+headquarters+in+Tripoli,+he+outlined+Mathaba's+organisation+and+aims+for+the+Asia+Pacific+region.+The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+...&dq=In+an+exclusive+interview+with+Pacific+Islands+Monthly,+at+his+headquarters+in+Tripoli,+he+outlined+Mathaba's+organisation+and+aims+for+the+Asia+Pacific+region.+The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1DdDU4jIBqLn2AX23YDoDA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+rather+inclusive+full+title,+is+%22the+Libyan+way+of+supporting+liberation+movements,+either+morally+or+financially,+depending+on+the+situation+but+not+militarily,%22+...&dq=The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+rather+inclusive+full+title,+is+%22the+Libyan+way+of+supporting+liberation+movements,+either+morally+or+financially,+depending+on+the+situation+but+not+militarily,%22+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=p2ZLU_qcL8rmsATY54HQDA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
 	
 	
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=...+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+lene+Uregei+of+New+Caledonia's+Kanak+radical+faction,+FUI.K+(United+Kanak+Liberation+Front).&dq=...+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+lene+Uregei+of+New+Caledonia's+Kanak+radical+faction,+FUI.K+(United+Kanak+Liberation+Front).&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qWdLU6fqLubisATU-4LABA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=the+various+independence+movements+active+across+the+Indonesian+Archipelago,+including+his+own+Aceh+Sumatra+Liberation+Front.+%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.&dq=the+various+independence+movements+active+across+the+Indonesian+Archipelago,+including+his+own+Aceh+Sumatra+Liberation+Front.+%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2jdDU6-JLaK92gWL5YCwDQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?ei=2jdDU6-JLaK92gWL5YCwDQ&id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&dq=the+various+independence+movements+active+across+the+Indonesian+Archipelago%2C+including+his+own+Aceh+Sumatra+Liberation+Front.+%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia%2C+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically%2C+with+Fretilin+%28East+Timor+Liberation+Front%29%2C+the+OPM%2C+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas%3B+we+are+all+one.&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Fretilin
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.+%22They+come+to+Tripoli+sometimes,+but+we+are+always+in+touch,+above+ground+and+underground,+inside+and+outside,+and+I+shall+see+to+it+when+Aceh+wins+so+do+OPM+and+the+Moluccans.%22+Hassan+di+Tiro's+alliance+with+...&dq=%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.+%22They+come+to+Tripoli+sometimes,+but+we+are+always+in+touch,+above+ground+and+underground,+inside+and+outside,+and+I+shall+see+to+it+when+Aceh+wins+so+do+OPM+and+the+Moluccans.%22+Hassan+di+Tiro's+alliance+with+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oGZLU4aCN5W_sQSB2oDICw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=Although+Hassan+di+Tiro+is+predictably+coy+about+the+details+of+Libyan+support+for+radical+movements,+claiming+Mathaba+only+provides+money,+reliable+reports+suggest+arms+shipments+have+gone+to+groups+such+as+the+Philippines+Muslim+Moro+rebels.+More+common+are+the+%22training+courses%22+provided+in+past+years+to+cadres&dq=Although+Hassan+di+Tiro+is+predictably+coy+about+the+details+of+Libyan+support+for+radical+movements,+claiming+Mathaba+only+provides+money,+reliable+reports+suggest+arms+shipments+have+gone+to+groups+such+as+the+Philippines+Muslim+Moro+rebels.+More+common+are+the+%22training+courses%22+provided+in+past+years+to+cadres&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VmhLU7X3Gau_sQSEvIKoAg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
 
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=Hassen+di+Tiro's+way+of+operating+the+Mathaba+Front+seems+to+rely+on+close+personal+links+between+key+leaders.+Of+radical+Kanak+leader+Yann+Celene+Uregei,+he+says.+%22We+are+so+close+they+make+me+their+spokesman+when+they+are+not+here.&dq=Hassen+di+Tiro's+way+of+operating+the+Mathaba+Front+seems+to+rely+on+close+personal+links+between+key+leaders.+Of+radical+Kanak+leader+Yann+Celene+Uregei,+he+says.+%22We+are+so+close+they+make+me+their+spokesman+when+they+are+not+here.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mWdLU_S4KKLesAT8p4LYBw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
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Title	Pacific Islands Monthly: PIM., Volume 59, Issues 1-10
Publisher	Pacific Publications, 1988
Original from	the University of Virginia
Digitized	Apr 8, 2009
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964515,00.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=aDgnAQAAIAAJ&q=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&dq=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&hl=en&sa=X&ei=okUKUvzFJsSEyAGW2YCQDA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA
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thread_title:  More sources 

message: Hassan called Indonesian rule over Aceh and other places like East Timor, West Papua and the Moluccas as Javanese domination.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ArvtbBOPwGIC&pg=PT125&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=T61pQx1w3soC&pg=PA70&dq=In+Hasan+di+Tiro's+terms,+“indonesians”+are+a+“non-existent+human+species”+(di+Tiro+1984a,+68).+In+his+writings,+the+very+idea+of+Indonesia+is+an+absurd+falsehood,+a+thin+façade+covering+Javanese+dominance.+His+“redeclaration+of+independence+”&hl=en&sa=X&ei=c_M1U6T4DMLIsASp-YKQBQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
Tiro engaged in racist rhetoric against Javanese, calling them "barbarians", "stupid", "insolent", relatives of monkeys, and insinuated that they were descended from Pithecanthropus erectus.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ArvtbBOPwGIC&pg=PT126#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=T61pQx1w3soC&pg=PA71&dq=At+one+point+he+reminds+his+readers+that+monkeys+were+“a+very+distant+relative+of+the+Javanese,+but+relatives+nevertheless”+(212).+Elsewhere+he+returns+to+the+theme+that+the+Javanese+“have+strong+traces+of+pithecanthropus+erectus+lines”+(+317).&hl=en&sa=X&ei=m_Q1U-aQELPUsAT6nIBw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
Hasan put the Javanese on the same level as the Dutch as colonialists
http://books.google.com/books?id=nV48FbJx1gQC&pg=PA135&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=yNTQ-BDLPxIC&pg=PA40&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=pcEo7YPKMxUC&pg=PA137&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CGUQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=M5SpAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA93&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=byaQPK4I2TQC&pg=PT100&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=2nUJFtoHq7YC&pg=PA73&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ioNExtynHNcC&pg=PA171&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CGAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=PfF8Y9nZE3oC&pg=PA181&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CFsQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese&f=false
Title	The Price of Freedom: The Unfinished Diary, Volume 1
The Price of Freedom: The Unfinished Diary, National Liberation Front Acheh Sumatra. Information Dept
Author	Hasan Muhammad Tiro
Contributor	National Liberation Front Acheh Sumatra. Information Dept
Publisher	Information Department, National Liberation Front Acheh Sumatra
http://books.google.com/books?id=XDcsAAAAMAAJ&q=tiro+javanese&dq=tiro+javanese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F-A1U-3WIqi0sQSw0IGQDw&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=QKgraWbb7yoC&pg=PA62&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=weM1U6r5KfS0sQT1gIGwDw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q2J3YXhZaG8C&pg=PA235&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=tiro%20javanese%20borneo%20papua&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=PyEPAAAAYAAJ&q=SUMATRA.+Indonesian+forces+have+been+engaged+in+a+protracted+struggle+to+suppress+an+independence+movement+in+Acheh,+a+province+on+the+...+Tengku+Hasan+M.+di+Tiro,+who+published+an+article+explaining+the+background+to+the+independence+movement+in+FREEDOM+AT+ISSUE,+from+which+we+...+It+is+composed+of+six+major+groups+of+islands:+Acheh+Sumatra,+Borneo,+the+Celebes,+the+Moluccas,+West+Papua+and+Java.+...+%5BTengku+Hasan+M.+di+Tiro,+%22Indonesia:+Bastion+of+Colonialism?&dq=SUMATRA.+Indonesian+forces+have+been+engaged+in+a+protracted+struggle+to+suppress+an+independence+movement+in+Acheh,+a+province+on+the+...+Tengku+Hasan+M.+di+Tiro,+who+published+an+article+explaining+the+background+to+the+independence+movement+in+FREEDOM+AT+ISSUE,+from+which+we+...+It+is+composed+of+six+major+groups+of+islands:+Acheh+Sumatra,+Borneo,+the+Celebes,+the+Moluccas,+West+Papua+and+Java.+...+%5BTengku+Hasan+M.+di+Tiro,+%22Indonesia:+Bastion+of+Colonialism?&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7vY1U-b7NsGmsASghYGIBw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=GskQAQAAMAAJ&q=It+grew+from+a+small+number+of+Hasan+di+Tiro's7+followers+into+a+movement+of+thousands+holding+control+over+substantial+areas+of+Aceh.+...+but+special+vitriol+is+reserved+for+Java,+the+Javanese,+and+above+all,+Jakarta+Di+Tiro+claims+that+GAM+members+have+been+labeled+%22Muslim+...+All+this+leads+to+the+conclusion+that+peoples+in+South+Maluku,+West+Papua,+Sulawesi,+Borneo,+and+East+Timor+are+also+colonies.&dq=It+grew+from+a+small+number+of+Hasan+di+Tiro's7+followers+into+a+movement+of+thousands+holding+control+over+substantial+areas+of+Aceh.+...+but+special+vitriol+is+reserved+for+Java,+the+Javanese,+and+above+all,+Jakarta+Di+Tiro+claims+that+GAM+members+have+been+labeled+%22Muslim+...+All+this+leads+to+the+conclusion+that+peoples+in+South+Maluku,+West+Papua,+Sulawesi,+Borneo,+and+East+Timor+are+also+colonies.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Y_c1U_u-H4WhsATeg4HACg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=AcBwAAAAMAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=AcBwAAAAMAAJ&q=First+there+were+the+European+colonialists,+now+it+is+the+Javanese+colonialists.+The+irony+is+that+...+This+intensified+even+further+when+on+December+4,+1976,+Dr+Tgk+Hasan+di+Tiro+declared+the+independence+of+Acheh+Sumatra.+The+date+had+...+East+Timor,+West+Papua,+the+Moluccas,+Borneo+and+the+Celebes+now.+He+said+that+...&dq=First+there+were+the+European+colonialists,+now+it+is+the+Javanese+colonialists.+The+irony+is+that+...+This+intensified+even+further+when+on+December+4,+1976,+Dr+Tgk+Hasan+di+Tiro+declared+the+independence+of+Acheh+Sumatra.+The+date+had+...+East+Timor,+West+Papua,+the+Moluccas,+Borneo+and+the+Celebes+now.+He+said+that+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lPc1U97ZOfi2sATgt4DQDg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=iNSFAAAAMAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBg
http://books.google.com/books?id=iNSFAAAAMAAJ&q=A+number+of+incidents+were+claimed+by+the+National+Liberation+Front+of+Aceh-+Sumatra,+under+the+leadership+of+a+certain+Hasan+Tiro.+...+Although+the+case+of+Aceh+is+somewhat+special+the+arguments+for+independence+as+advanced+by+Hason+Tiro+in+e.g.+'Indonesia:+Bastion+of+Colonialism?+...+He+discerns+six+major+island+groups:+Aceh-Sumatra;+Borneo;+Celebes;+the+Moluccas;+West+Papua+and+Java,+which+...&dq=A+number+of+incidents+were+claimed+by+the+National+Liberation+Front+of+Aceh-+Sumatra,+under+the+leadership+of+a+certain+Hasan+Tiro.+...+Although+the+case+of+Aceh+is+somewhat+special+the+arguments+for+independence+as+advanced+by+Hason+Tiro+in+e.g.+'Indonesia:+Bastion+of+Colonialism?+...+He+discerns+six+major+island+groups:+Aceh-Sumatra;+Borneo;+Celebes;+the+Moluccas;+West+Papua+and+Java,+which+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yPc1U8-gE4XjsATLsYDwBA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=YdEjAQAAIAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBw
http://books.google.com/books?id=YdEjAQAAIAAJ&q=As+a+reaction+to+Soeharto's+centralization+of+power+and+reflecting+historically+independent+sentiment,+Hasan+di+Tiro+established+the+...+It+comprises+five+main+islands;+Sumatra,+Java,+Borneo+(known+as+%22Kalimantan%22+in+Indonesia),+Sulawesi,+and+New+Guinea;+two+major+...+with+East+Timor,+and+the+newly+divided+provinces+of+Papua+and+West+Papua+share+the+island+of+New+Guinea+with+Papua+New+Guinea.&dq=As+a+reaction+to+Soeharto's+centralization+of+power+and+reflecting+historically+independent+sentiment,+Hasan+di+Tiro+established+the+...+It+comprises+five+main+islands;+Sumatra,+Java,+Borneo+(known+as+%22Kalimantan%22+in+Indonesia),+Sulawesi,+and+New+Guinea;+two+major+...+with+East+Timor,+and+the+newly+divided+provinces+of+Papua+and+West+Papua+share+the+island+of+New+Guinea+with+Papua+New+Guinea.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kfg1U_evILTMsQSM6ID4BA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=JXrjAAAAMAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CFEQ6AEwCA
http://books.google.com/books?id=JXrjAAAAMAAJ&q=...+Sumatra,+the+Celebes,+Borneo,+the+South+Moluccas,+the+North+Moluccas,+West+Papua,+East+Timor,+etc.+by+colonizing+them.+...+But+the+Javanese+are+not+Malay+people+if+anthropologists+and+philologists+are+right;+the+Javanese+language+does+not+belong+to+...+Tengku+Hasan+Di+Tiro+President,+NationaJ+Liberation+Front+of+Acheh+Sumatra+Lesson+19+THE+HOUR+FOR+COUNTERATTACK+n+our+previous+lesson.&dq=...+Sumatra,+the+Celebes,+Borneo,+the+South+Moluccas,+the+North+Moluccas,+West+Papua,+East+Timor,+etc.+by+colonizing+them.+...+But+the+Javanese+are+not+Malay+people+if+anthropologists+and+philologists+are+right;+the+Javanese+language+does+not+belong+to+...+Tengku+Hasan+Di+Tiro+President,+NationaJ+Liberation+Front+of+Acheh+Sumatra+Lesson+19+THE+HOUR+FOR+COUNTERATTACK+n+our+previous+lesson.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kPg1U-ibJ4nNsQS5sIGQBQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=23e5AAAAIAAJ&q=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&dq=tiro+javanese+borneo+papua&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2-M1U-OtO4zLsASA04HICg&ved=0CFUQ6AEwCQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=23e5AAAAIAAJ&q=Sporadic+violence+Communal+violence+has+also+occurred+sporadically+in+Kalimantan+(or+Indonesian+Borneo).+...+Hasan+di+Tiro+further+argues+that+Aceh+is+subject+to+Javanese+colonialism+and+that+Indonesia+is+what+he+terms+a+...+Tindakan+Penyelidikan+Pelanggaran+Hak+Asasi+Manusia+di+Papua/Irian+Jaya',+11+Apr+2001.+7.&dq=Sporadic+violence+Communal+violence+has+also+occurred+sporadically+in+Kalimantan+(or+Indonesian+Borneo).+...+Hasan+di+Tiro+further+argues+that+Aceh+is+subject+to+Javanese+colonialism+and+that+Indonesia+is+what+he+terms+a+...+Tindakan+Penyelidikan+Pelanggaran+Hak+Asasi+Manusia+di+Papua/Irian+Jaya',+11+Apr+2001.+7.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ufg1U-TcI8GhsASv74GQBA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA
: Was the above by Rajmaan? Sorry but none of your links seem to work anymore. I did a search and here is a working link to what I believe is being referenced by practically all the links above: https://tengkudhaniiqbal.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/the-price-of-freedom-teungku-hasan-di-tiro.pdf  (Hasan di Tiro's 'The Price of Freedom').
: Probably best to remove all the above links that don't work. Also, it would have been far far better if the above commenter had simply copied in the relevant quotes instead of links! 129.78.233.211 (talk) 08:47, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hasan di Tiro's writings against Indonesia and Javanese 

message: http://uca.edu/politicalscience/dadm-project/asiapacific-region/indonesiaaceh-1949-present/
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/01/indo-j06.html
http://reliefweb.int/report/indonesia/aceh-rebels-kill-six-indonesian-soldiers-ambush
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/29297
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/24/world/indonesian-troops-kill-leader-of-a-province-s-separatist-group.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=w5DEEClMsy8C&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=aceh+killed+indonesian+soldiers&source=bl&ots=L_1Cv6FiYH&sig=GHUDiY32KyOSajPVEK1vumPKOwI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BLZIU_LBB_DJsQTTlIGICA&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=aceh%20killed%20indonesian%20soldiers&f=false
http://www.solidarity-us.org/site/node/891
http://www.sacw.net/Wmov/RCoomaraswamyOnHonour.html
http://www.reocities.com/CapitolHill/4120/unletter.html
http://home.snafu.de/watchin/Coomaraswamy.htm
Rajmaan (talk) 03:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources on fighting 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I just removed the letters "RMS" from the section headings as they are unnecessary as it is clear what they are referring to without them. 
A demographics section would be good if possible to find information on it, such as population stats, ethnic groups as well as de jure and de facto languages. Maybe also a a geography section too. Some of the content could probably be made into a Republic of South Maluku government-in-exile article as parts are out of the scope of the former unrecognised state.
Uamaol (talk) 13:45, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements 

message: "pombo" is not a specific type of dove but simply the local word for "dove"
source: https://www.academia.edu/5015651/Rediscovery_of_Carunculated_Fruit_Dove_Ptilinopus_granulifrons_on_Obi_North_Moluccas
"In the North Moluccas ‘pombo’ is a common name for all types of Columbidae"
the only white dove i could find was the "Torresian imperial pigeon" which has the same living area as stated in the article. it is also relatively large making it a good candidate for an national emblem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torresian_imperial_pigeon
i have not yet however found any source specifying the type of bird.
Wubbelflup (talk) 13:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  the dove species in the emblem of muluku. 

message: To add to this article: was the term "puppet" government ever applied to the Republic of South Maluku (i.e., puppets of the Dutch former colonists)? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "Puppet" means that there's some "indirect" role of Dutch government toward politicians of Republic of Southern Moluccas. To this date, Dutch government never declared their involvement in developing and raising R.M.S.'s government Azmi1995 (talk) 14:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Puppet government?

message: To add to this article: the Republic of South Maluku's fine postage stamps (labeled "Maluku Selatan"), which were issued in the 1950s. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 06:53, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello IP, if you could provide WP:Reliable sources discussing these topics, they stand a good chance of being included in the article. Best, CMD (talk) 06:57, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article

message: to be simply concluded, both of "mena" and "muria" can't be found in indonesian dictionary. hence, it's not indonesian word. the best bet for those words must be ambonese malay Azmi1995 (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  mena muria