Talk:Fightin' Texas Aggie Band/Archive 1

message: NOTE: This archive is not strictly-chronological.  This archive was done by taking individual older sections where discussion seemed to have ended.  Sections where discussion was still ongoing were left on the main Talk page.  Johntex\talk 15:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

message: The BQ link doesn't get anywhere meaningful. I suspect the destination article needs an edit to incorporate BQ. What is a BQ? -- SGBailey 09:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: BQ = "Band Qualified" (colloquially, "Band Queer"). →Wordbuilder 13:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing this up. There used to be a list of terms with BQ among them. I will work on a better wikilink for that in the VERY near future. — BQZip01 — talk 16:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Linked to disambiguation page where a definition is provided — BQZip01 — talk 17:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BQ 

message: From the article:
:To assist in removing their boots, seniors are allowed to yell "I need a fish!" at which point all available freshmen in the senior's outfit will race, and sometimes fight, to assist.
This definitely needs a solid, verifiable reference. It's far too unusual a thing to just let pass without one. Loganberry (Talk) 13:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Being a former Aggie, I can verify this. I wish I could find a documented reference. Spryde 14:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with Spryde - the terminology and behavior isn't unusual for TAMU.  I can verify that even non-reg's had fish do stuff for them.—Mrand T-C 14:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't from this article, it is from another article. As such it has been "removed" from this article. — BQZip01 — talk 16:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I need a fish!" 

message: "The disaster was nullified."  Someone explain what this means.  Was it expunged from the history books?  I think you mean "The came back strong next week."  Why not just say that? ThreeE 20:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree with ThreeE that the ablove sentence could be improved, I suggest: "The band showed great improvement when they attempted their most complicated drill the following weekend and performed flawlessly." Johntex\talk 20:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: interesting...unsourced though..can't be used in WP — BQZip01 — talk 09:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I've removed the last sentence for now; it's not really necessary. Karanacs 21:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence in question was added IAW the FAC review. It was intended to be a conclusion of the above paragraph. If it is causing problems, I certainly have no problem with its removal. — BQZip01 — talk 04:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nullifying the Disaster 

message: I have removed this template because (a) it was not explained here on the talk page and (b) it is probably the wrong template anyway.  Following the link to the template it says:
The POV check template, , may be added to an article which you feel may need to be edited to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Add the template at the top of the article, and then explain your reasons on the talk page of the article that needs checking ... The POV check template is not for disputes. ... For situations where you or other editors disagree on NPOV status, or need to reach consensus on neutrality, instead use the neutrality dispute template, , and explain the reasons on the talk page.
So, this template is not for disputes, and the person using it is supposed to explain themselves.  For that reason, I've removed the template.
Let's all remember that templates are not a substitute for discusssion.  The discussion is already ongoing, so perhaps we can focus on that instead of template boxes? Johntex\talk 15:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The banner should not be removed until the dispute is resolved.  There are plenty of places on this talk page where the POV disputes are explained. ThreeE 20:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a lot of discussion on this page and changes have been made to the article. You placed the tag so it's incumbent upon you to detail what you feel is still POV. Until you do so, I do not believe the tag is appropriate. →Wordbuilder 20:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Start with this statement: "theoretically, they require two people to be in the same place at once."  Then move on to anything related to the impossible computer simulation.  Then go to the overall boosterism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThreeE (talk • contribs) 20:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your reply. Can you point out exactly what you feel is boosterism? →Wordbuilder 20:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV Check Template

message: This article gives two figures for the size of the band.  In the intro, it says "approximately 300".  Later in the article, it says "approximately 350".  Could we settle on one or the other, ideally with a source, if possible? Thanks, Johntex\talk 06:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The official site says 350 - unfortunately the entire "Key Facts" section is a  copyvio of that webpage, along with "Drill Rehearsal". I'm pulling them out. Jamoche 10:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch Jamoche - thanks for looking into that.  I'll put it on my to-do to make a paraphrase of that info, if no one beats me to it. Johntex\talk 10:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - I re-wrote that section.  I decided to leave it as a bulleted list because all the points are unrelated, so it didn't seem it would flow well as prose.  I also left out a couple of the bullet points so as not to be taking the entire content. Feel free to re-write again as needed/desired. Johntex\talk 10:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Size

message: I think the specified uniform should remain as Texas A&M Corps of Cadets. This is the specific uniform they wear. If anyone wishes to revert the change to leaving it blank, please explain why
:The uniform section is not to describe who wears them. It's for a specific description of what the uniforms look like (see Hawkeye Marching Band, Spirit of Troy). Leaving it blank is better than filling in something that isn't even a description of them and allows a casual editor more familiar with the band than you or me to add a more "official" description of them. -Texink 20:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough, but I think it should be noted that they wear the uniform of the Corps of Cadets. It shouldn't be left blank simply because other bands have a different description. how about "US Army circa WWI-WWII?"BQZip01 17:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It may be difficult to state what specific uniform they are wearing for the game. They use 5 major types of uniforms (midnights, Class A Winter, Class A Summer, Class B Summer, and Battle Dress Uniform). Describing them all in the limited space is not practical. Perhaps a link to the Corps of Cadets uniforms? Hmmm, there isn't even a website dedicated to this. Help?BQZip01 17:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  I created a description of all of the Uniforms on the Corps of Cadets page and linked to it. BQZip01 19:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniforms 

message: Currently we're practicing from around 620-720 in the morning so i dont think that putting in 2-3 hours on weekdays is accurate. I'm going to change it.
:#Please get a user name so we can chat and make sure we get the latest and greatest on the Qs. My brother was the B-Battery Commander and I was the Air Force Liaison Officer for the Band.
:#Are you referring to the Spring Semester or are you referring to the Fall Semester? That makes a huge difference in my book. If you are referring to the Fall Semester, then WOW have they cut down on practice times dramatically since I was there. We used to get up at 0600 (no earlier for fish and only 0555 for pissheads), get dressed, eat breakfast, and be at drill by 0620 (+/- 5 minutes). We'd stay until 0850 or 0915, depending on the academic schedules of each day of the week. Sometimes we'd stay later and practice even without people who had to go to their next class.
:#Please don't make the change just yet until we have a chance to discuss it. You also have to take into account the work that the bugle rank and drum majors do (they can easily spend up to 40 hours a week on a drill).
:#Do you know about the computer program that is used by the directors to write the drills? Can you get source information regarding the override feature for being able to write the 4-way crossthrough. I'd like to cite it in the text of this document (The name of the instruction manual and the software would be sufficient). Maybe you could ask the drum majors?
:BQZip01 19:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Practice 

message: I removed the speedy delete nomination as the article is about a highly visible University athletic band that has been recognized with the Sudler Trophy.  I believe the nomination was made in bad faith and warned the user that added the template for vandalism. -- Upholder 15:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speedy delete nomination removal 

message: I intend to expand this article drastically in the next few days and shoot for featured article status within a month. Below is a basic outline I intend to follow (number of paragraphs/picts in parenthesis).
#History (6-7/1-2)
#Cadet life (maybe intermingled with History...I dunno yet) (2-4/1-2)
#Composition (cadets only + uniforms, size, instrumentation, equipment used, positions [bugle rank, drum major, commander], etc.) (7-10/2-3)
#Practice, Drills, & Maneuvers (3-5/2-3) (an animated .gif of the countermarch would be greatly appreciated...if not, I'll make one)
#Awards, notable performances, +misc (1-3/1-2)
I'll incorporate all of the given trivia (and more) into this page. Anyone have any thoughts? — BQZip01 — talk 07:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Major expansion

message: "The origin of the name of the band started with the early drum majors of the band. The first student drum major was H.A. "California" Morse, but he did not last the year in his leadership role and was asked to leave the college because of fighting. In addition, the early drum majors were chosen in physical combat, with the best fighter being named to the coveted position, thus the name, Fightin' Texas Aggie Band, though the terminology has evolved to include the athletic teams, similar to the Fighting Illini or the Fighting Irish."
:I found this a bit confusing. It looks like fighting is bad (got Morse kicked out of school) and fighting is good (earns coveted position). I didn't know how to clean it up since I'm not sure what the message is here. --Wordbuilder 15:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fighting is neither "good" or "bad" in this context, but the tradition of fighting was incorporated into the name...I'll make that explicit in the article. Thanks. — BQZip01 — talk 21:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fighting