Talk:Opie and Anthony/Archive 2

message: I'm finding it hard to believe that all of the information within this page is not Original Research and is backed by a verifiable source that is not self-referencing. Shoddy encylopedia work. Fcyoss 15:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research

message: This article tries to justify every event surrounding the Opie and Anthony show, and hardly mentions any criticism. No effort to balance the article has been made. A critical reception section would help the article.
An NPOV tag should go on until these issues are resolved. Arnob 03:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only people who care about O&A are their 3 or 4 rabid fans.  Who is going to bother putting any effort into making the article more neutral?
I don't see any effort to resolve this on your part.  You can't just throw a NPOV tag up and leave. If there are events or critisism you have in mind, please state them. Attention whore 01:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It seems that Arnob is confusing an abundance of factual information for a violation of the NPOV policy. There are few (if any) sentences in this article that are personal opinions (I just removed one today).  It's not surprizing that the show's fans provide the bulk of the facts in this article – after all, they know the most about the show. — franl | talk ✤ 15:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: I have created a userbox for fans of the show to put on their user pages. Placing  on your user page includes you in the Opie and Anthony Pest Category. Check the userbox page for directions on how to add it to your profile and include yourself as a pest.DanielZimmerman 04:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: OnA userboxes

message: Given all the furor over assaults on other radio hosts, not just Philips but several others in recent memory, perhaps that warrants it's own section?
:Sounds good to me. Bbatsell 17:13, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Arthur Ch'ien thing warrants a mention, but the Phillips Phile thing is just ridiculously stupid to be getting that much play.  I mean, it was two days of the show, and it's not even that great radio, especially since Phillips won't allow audio from his show to be played and get tooled on.
Baby Jesus weeps when you don't sign your articles, so I signed it for you! Enjoy. Payneos 22:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  O&A Army Assaults... 

message: the voyage bus incident should be expanded.
:I think you mean the voyeur bus. — franl | talk ✤ 17:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lewis Black 

message: This article isn't neutral.
Agreed. There is a ton of needless information. Most of it added by the fans becomes hopelessly dated within days of it being posted. A good 85% of this article can be excised. Also the listing should be added under the "Howard Stern" catagory since there are multiple mentions of him in this article and his name adds relevance to this entire listing
:Not being neutral (i.e., violating the NPOV policy) is not the same as having too much information.  Besides, what is needless information?  There are many pages in Wikipedia that have lots of detailed information, including equations that are unreadable by 80% of the general public (cf. Uncertainty principle and Hypergeometric distribution).  O&A are certainly notable, so it's not an issue of violating the  notability policy.  Once an article rises above the bar of notibility, can it really contain too much factual information? — franl | talk ✤ 17:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There hasn't been any real credible claims of POV violations in the article, so I'm removing the tag now. Payneos 18:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral Point of View 

message: I STRONGLY urge those mods that are reading this to finally ban ATTENTION WHORE's IP and prevent him from continually stating falsehoods. How many news stories do you need about wikipedia for you to realize that some people are liars and will post bullshit to get attention? I doubt that you will do anything. 172.161.23.182 18:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm starting to, and I hope I'm not jumping into an invalid conclusion, but I'm starting to feel that you may not like me.  Your accusations, insults, and made up storied about me are hurtful.  Maybe we just need to hug and make up? Attention whore 01:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you do and I don't see how I can. Actions speak louder than words. (Just look at the article's history if you need a reason to finally do your job).  Just admit that you are a former member of opieandthony.com and feel hurt that Anthony shut down his site.  172.149.207.221 18:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I never posted, cared, or knew anyone from OpieAnthony.com. I could care less if every forum ever created for O&A closed down.  I'm just a fan of the show since the make believe ballroom days at WNEW. I also feel that one person should not have the power to re-write history.  It's part of the history of the show, and it's information that, If I were looking to learn about O&A and the show, I'd want to know. It's the same reason I added Fez's true name to that article. Ron and Fez never made an effort to tell Fez's name, but someone looking to learn about Ron and Fez probably would find it interesting what Fez's real name is. Do they want everyone to know?  I have no idea.  It makes no difference, it's information that should be part of an article on them.  Same thing here. That's as far as it goes. Your perceived fantasies about who I am, and why I'm adding it make no difference to me.  Why, other than following your master's wishes, are you so upset over people knowing the truth?  Are you somehow personally involved in this? Attention whore 01:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incompetent Moderation

message: It should always be noted in any O&A history that they are Howard Stern copycats and base their entire career on him.  So much so that they refused to broadcast their show unless they were allowed to talk about him.  Very sad for them and their fans. —This unsigned comment was added by 70.130.146.159 (talk • contribs) .
:Get the facts and sign your comments like a man. http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=186874
:Hoo hoo. I believe in Hypocracy, Robin. Payneos 16:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1892895#post1892895
More proof. 172.170.200.181 21:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sternfannetwork interference 

message: Since no one is responding to the RFC, I've posted a request for the mediation cabal to get involved, hopefully to help resolve this issue.  The request can be found here. Tufflaw 16:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for (informal) mediation re: Spaz 

message: The section of the article regarding Howard Stern is very biased in favor of O&A.  It reads, "Stern had a gag order put on Opie and Anthony for becoming possible competition..."  The gag order has been confirmed by Stern himself, but stating that the reason for it was competition is not.  That is pure speculation.  The following quote from a Friday Morning Quarterback article is also too harsh IMO because Stern was more than likely joking.  I'm OK with it remaining, however, because I have nothing to back this up as of yet. InnerSpace 17:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Howard Stern 

message: The O&A Wikipedia entry references Stern 25 times. The Stern entry references O&A a grand total of two times. Maybe it would look better to a passing reader to not place so much emphasis on a competitor on O&A's own Wikipedia entry. -67.183.15.135 06:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But O&A themselves are endlessly referencing Stern in their own show.  It's just a reflection of their ceaseless 'Hoo Hoo' shtick. MGlosenger 06:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

text: If by "schtick" do you mean Mr. "I Invented Everything"'s ceaseless attempts *not* to mention them, yet the fact that everywhere he goes he's chastised by the pests now? I think the reason has to do with O&A not being allowed in the Howard article more, and less that Howard is in this article. This mostly has to do with reversions that claim "that never happened" when it did, but cannot be properly cited and is taken on PoV. Payneos 15:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stern referenced too much?

message: Sternfannetwork is sending its members actively vandalize this article.172.139.78.24 19:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: =Sternfannetwork Trolls

message: If you will not sign your comments, they are not valid and the discussion will be reverted.172.152.132.91 08:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unsigned comments do not empower you to revert a discussion page.  Please familiarize yourself with wikipedia guidelines before you do something like that.  You always have the option of signing posts for those who do not.  CPitt76 17:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sign Your Comments

message: "This is possibly due to XM deciding to cancel their show soon." This needs citation. I haven't seen anything that hints to the fact that XM plans to get rid of O&A (which, according to the Boston Herald and other newsagencies, is one of the most popular show on the XM platform.) --uberdog 12:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rumoured Cancellation

message: I have created a  userbox for fans of the show to put on their user pages. Placing this on your user page includes you in the Opie and Anthony Pest Category. Check the userbox page for directions on how to add it to your profile and include yourself as a pest.DanielZimmerman 04:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: OnA Userboxes 

message: Attention Whore - 
If you want to put up the Spazz/Melinda incident, then how about you go back and listen to every AAF and NEW O&A show and post on wiki about every minor insignificant show bit that you hear.  Then you can go ahead and edit Stern's wiki and put up the bit about how he went on Sean Hannity's show and admitted to placing a gag order on O&A.  See how long Wikipedia with its "high standards" will keep that up.
Until then the "Lobster Girl" story is just irrelevant fodder that appears on the O&A wiki because SFN trolls want it on here and because there are a few misguided people on here that are "guarding the sanctity of truth."  The Melinda story is just spam.  Get over it.  Why not just post something about Spaz without mention of this lobster story.  I'm sure there's much more you could post about him.
Thrawn42 03:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spazz 

message: There should be more information on how to get opie and anthony on direct tv.172.167.254.185 00:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Direct TV

message: There are trolls that are vandalizing his birthday. 172.167.254.185 00:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anthony's Birthday

message: What ever happened to that site?
It was shut down due to low numbers. The joke got old. Payneos 21:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Church of Opie

message: Why is there no mention of the charictar and frequent show caller "Joe Shareholder"?  That guy is really funny.199.201.168.100 16:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I only recall Joe Shareholder calling in maybe twice two months ago. While his calls may have a lot more merit now, he doesn't seem to be noteworthy... or even funny at all. Payneos 16:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joe Shareholder

message: This is my first exposure to a protected page that I've contributed to.  I've read the protection-related information on Wikipedia, but I found nothing that describes how the admins decide to end protection of a page.  How does that work? — franl ✦ talk ✦  
:You post a request here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection at the unprotection section. Blocking admins often have a list of the pages they blocked and check those, or they go to a list were all blocked pages are listed. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 23:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about the protection process 

message: There are four new AM/FM affiliates for the show appearing in the news today.  Starting Monday June 5 they add WXYT 1270 AM (The Sports Station) Detroit, MI (Live 6A - 9A), WAZU 107.1 FM (The Big Wazoo) Columbus, OH (Tape 3P - 6P) and WZNE 94.1 FM (The Zone) Rochester, NY (Tape 2P - 5P).  Starting June 26 they add WJFK 106.7 FM (FREE FM) Washington, D.C. (Tape 10A - 1P). In addition, WJFK will feature an online simulcast of the show (Live 6A - 9A) at www.1067freefm.com.  Ffuege 00:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New AM/FM affiliates 

message: On June 26th, 2006 at 10am, Opie and Anthony returned to the air of Waqshington DC on WJFK. They are currently being broadcast on a taped delay due to scheduling conflicts with other highly rated shows. However after their previous history with that station, it is beleived by the show that this is a positive step. 68.51.187.134 11:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Return to WJFK 

message: Loose change director was on the show and their was a huge controversy over if what the kid said was  true or fasle.Tyler--Durden 20:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 9/11 Conspiracies

message: Added a brief comment under "Celebrity and Comedian friends" about Dr. Ian Smith of Celebrity Fit Club fame and his frequent appearances on the show, including the day-after appearance involving Michael Strahan's divorce. 70.100.248.10 17:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr. Ian Smith

message: WSKO-AM and WSKO-FM in Providence, RI have been signed on. I was going to add it to the list as coming on, but goddammit, it seems every other time I visit this page it's protected. --Tv's emory 18:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another new affiliate(s)

message: As mentioned above, Dugout Doug, and other Pests, and the generic, "Pests" itself are a part of the show.  I am opening discussion for them to be added to the page.
And yeah, why were the pests removed?  Not like I think its a HUGE deal, but we have done a lot of work, and have become a part of the show. DugoutDoug 14:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pests

message: Why not mention of the Lobster Girl incident? This incident is how most Pests came to know the show. Most of the article is POV anyways so given that this was a true incident (Mellinda, a listener sucked off SPAZ to save a lobster) it should be highlighted. A google search on Lobster Girl Mellinda sucking Spazz takes you right to this page so it should be listed in detail. Add a link to the festivities! Whats the big deal with this? Why is it kryptonite to the "O & A" fans.
Umm, not really.  I was a big O&A fan since the NEW days, and am a contributer of sorts now, and can tell you, this situation interest me not.  Its an obsession of certain "loyalists" to Spaz that feel betrayed by the show that he is gone.  So you take one non-reoccurring "bit", so to speak, and keep trying to embarrass the host of a show that people love.  Move on guys, find another show.  The obsession is sick, the fact that this non-reoccurring bit is even recorded on this page this much is insane.  It was 5 mins, 4 years ago, in the history of MILLIONS of mins of radio.  It wasn't memorable, it may have not even been real.  And if it was, who the fuck cares?  Everyone has hooked up before (except maybe you guys). And if you have hooked up, is that a bad thing?  I sure as shit don't remember every woman I have hooked up with, maybe that's why I don't care.  Is the one girl you hooked up with with someone else now?  Does that make you sad?  Personally, as someone that knows the show, I can say that if you are going to mention this little fucking bit, you need to mention every ones calls.  They were all important right?  This was a 5 min, non-reoccurring bit.  I am asking the people that have some control over this room, to remove it.  It is ment to embarass the people that this page is setup to give information about.
And I am not saying that controversial material should not be here, the firing for Sex For Sam could very wel be embarrassing, but it is important.  the "lobster incident" AT THE VERY WORST, just shows that Anthony's girlfriend MAY have hooked up with another boy before him.  Wow, shocking.  Fact is, no one cares. DugoutDoug 14:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lobster Girl

message: (page is locked) The wikilink for Paul Mercurio points to an Australian choreographer. Needs to be reset to Paul Mercurio (comedian) when page is unlocked Clappingsimon talk 03:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Paul Mercurio

message: When the page can be edited again, here is the info that should be added regarding the eight newest markets in which O&A have been added.  "Citadel has launched O&A on WSKO-FM/AM Providence; WEDG-FM Buffalo; WKLQ-FM/WILZ Grand Rapids; WBSX-FM Wilkes Barrie, PA; WBZU-FM Albuquerque; KRDJ-FM Baton Rouge; WCYY-FM/WCYI-FM, Portland, ME; and WMOS-FM, New London, CT. Opie and Anthony will be broadcast during morning drive on all of the stations during 6–9 AM, except for WBZU, where they will be heard in afternoon drive, from 3 to 5 PM."  (quote is from Radio Ink's website, link: http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=134328&pt=todaysnews) 74.129.71.19 02:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eight new markets

message: I'd like to unprotect the article as there have been some recent developments in the show that need to be included.  When I do so, please continue discussing the Lobster Girl/Spazz issue here before edit warring again, or the page will be protected once again.  If anyone doesn't feel that the page should be unprotected yet, reply here.  Othwerwise, I'll unlock it in a few hours.  Thanks Naconkantari 02:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I take offense at the above remark.  It makes it appear that the addition of the Lobster Girl info is vandalism, as compared to a difference of opinion in editing. I'd like to believe that Naconkantari is not using his Admin powers to impose his personal preferences and make sure they stay that way, but based on Payneos' remark, I'm lead to believe that the protection placed on the page last week was purely to keep the page as Payneos (and I presume Naconkantri by the above remark) would prefer it.  I hope that I'm wrong.  I think that would be a gross misuse of admin. Attention whore 04:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Keep in mind that Payneos probably made his comment before you agreed to let the consensus be heard, not after.  From what I recall, we did some heavy work here on Thursday, and that comment was made on Wednesday, if my recollection is correct.  By the way, I'm the one who asked Naconkantari to reprotect the article after a few anon IP address users added some crap to it (some of it didn't have to do with the Lobster Girl issue), and I felt that if they were to continue, they'd respark the issue and destroy what progress you and Payneos have made in ending this issue one and for all. CQJ 00:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprotection 

message: I'm beginning to think the page might need to be split into the "Opie and Anthony Show" and the biographies of Opie, Anthony, and Jim. The article at this point is quite long. Payneos 03:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Show and Bio Page Split

message: I'm taking out the dispute tag.  Im not sure what it is refering to, but in any case I dont think the dispute tag is needed here.
Baron Von Westfall 04:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the talk page in the future since the disputed tag was placed on the main page to direct people to this page to gain consensus on an issue.  Since you're a (rumored) sockpuppet of a blocked user, I'm reverting your changes.  CQJ 05:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute 

message: Since this issue continues to be kryptonite for the pests, I propose that  we respect their feminine sensitivity to this issue and delete any mention of Lobster girl sucking Spaz from this post and instead add a link at the bottom to a new Wiki entry titled "LOBSTER GIRL". After all this story by its very nature deserves it own listing. The entry could describe the whole incident of Lobster Girl sucking off Spaz and how its very mention causes apocolyptic fits among the "pests". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:65.19.18.223 (talk • contribs) .
A) Sign your comments. Coward.
B) Lay off the "Pest Kryptonite." It's been used, it's old, we get it, you're not original, and you stink.
C) Let's calm down with the Final Solutions, Adolf. Payneos 01:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LOBSTER GIRL Mellinda sucking off SPAZ aka Kevin - A final solution 

message: The Market/Market Rank for WMOS-FM is incorrect it should be listed as Montauk, New York, That is where the station's FCC license is issued (FCC link). Now granted WMOS-FM does broadcasts from the Mohegan Sun Casino in Uncasville, Connecticut but technically it is not a Connecticut station, It is a New York station and falls under the NYC or Suffolk County radio market. Therefore I request that the page be temporarily unblocked so that I can make this correction or if there is someone in authority who can make the change please do so. Misterrick 18:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many stations out there with full range signals with cities of license in another market (WTKS-FM, XETRA-AM, WFUS to name a few), but in this case, WMOS doesn't even get numbers in the Nassau-Suffolk ratings books, while in New London (which is where they target) they got 8th place in their latest ratings book. --Tv's emory 05:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current FM/AM affiliates 

message: In the section titled XM Satellite Radio, an event is mentioned happening in December 2006. How is this possible when this date has not occured yet. 
The correct date should be December 2005. Handsomedan 09:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assault on the media 

message: Perhaps someone, less tired than I am at this moment, can add a blurb about their upcoming book and audiobook?--24.47.145.73 17:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cringe" (Book) 

message: This discussion page is ridiculously long.  I've archived up to February 2006, but it's still long.  I don't want to archive any ongoing discussions, but we should try to trim it down a little.  I propose archiving topics where the most recent reply is from June 2006 or earlier.  Any problems/suggestions?  CPitt76 16:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive