Talk:The Sword of Truth

message: The Political Aspects part of the page either needs to be reworked to eliminate weasel words, have some citations added to confirm the information, or be removed. I deleted the sentence regarding Bill and Hillary Clinton as there was no source and it seems controversial to me. I left in the sentence about Naked Empire because I couldn't decide if that needed to go or not due to the fact that I can kind of see how that would be true. The entire section seems to be heavily biased to me. Patrickjsanford (talk) 12:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Political Aspects

message: I don't think that the Keeper should be noted as a Satanic character. The series portrays the Keeper more as the yin to the Creators yang. He is a force that must exist in order for creation to survive as intended.
:You are correct.  But, it should also be noted that the people of the world who are less knowledgeable DO view the keeper as a satanic figure becuase of his undying hunger for those who live.  But yes, the Keeper is nothing more than a force opposite to the Creator. - Omnilord March 20, 2006
::Yeah, well screw the people of the world. Include a cross reference in the mention to yin/yang and leave it at that. If they can't be bothered to click on a link to learn more about what is what then they shouldn't get all in a tiff about something that upsets them. we cant spend all our time dumbing things down for people that are willfully ignorant. To do so is a disservice to them and everyone else - Patrickjsanford 06:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In book 4 Richard bans Darken Rahl in the underworld to the keeper without any light of the creator which seems to be something like hell. Even if the Keeper seems sometimes only be the end of life (book 2) that has to be there, in the world of death the good spirits seem to be with the creator's light and without it, it seems to be torture/hell. So there is something like hell and heaven and the keeper seems to be the chief in hell which means satanic. --21:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The Keeper

message: It can be noted that the series has become more ideologically conservative (or more apparently so) over time. This has become particually noticable in the Faith of the Fallen and Naked Empire books. There is however not enough content on the series to add this fact with out causing excessive non-NPOV distortion; if there was sufficient agreement on the observation anyway. - User:138.130.225.134 June 29, 2004
: Goodkind would not agree with the view that his books have become more conservative...it has come up in interviews at times.  The books are of course more right leaning than left.  While the author's views are more libertarian than anything else...the books do seem to fit modern conservative viewpoints minus religion than a true libertarian view. - Athalus 17:25, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
:: i'm not sure if i agree with that or not. we do have to remember that a good number of writers are influnced by current events. it could be that he's just trying to maintain appeal with his audence. and besides, it's not like this is a fairytale happy ending kind of series either. sometimes you just have to be a dick to live in this world - Patrickjsanford 06:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read interviews with him he is quite explicit his intentions were to write philosophy in a fantasy setting.  He also sites one of his main inspirations as the writings of Ayn Rand and if you read the books the common points of Objectivism are rather clear beginning with Wizards First Rule.  The Objectivist concept that art teaches man how to use his consciousness is specifically stated as the motivation for his writing.   One of the main criticisms of the series is how repetitive the dialogue can be and the 'teaching points' seem rather preachy for a fantasy novel...and Terry Goodkind himself states that is because he does not consider them fantasy novels so much as fantasy set stories of philosophy.  Its all there in his own words with some advice on how to get published (young writers beware!) http://www.terrygoodkind.com/resources-qa.shtml.  There is no way to write Objectivist Philosophy without being labeled as ideologically conservative. 96.19.250.130 (talk) 15:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideology of series

message: On another note, I've been working hard on revising the pages of the individual books in the Sword of Truth series to conform to WikiProject Novels standards, and I have to say most of the pages are looking pretty good.  However, the pages for Naked Empire, Phantom, and Debt of Bones are still in stub status and need attention.
Since Phantom has yet to be released, stub status is expected.  But, if you have recently read either Naked Empire or Debt of Bones, consider updating the Plot Summaries and Character Lists on the novel pages.  Thanks for your help! - Runch 01:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Phantom is looking good.  Thanks to all those who have contributed! - Runch 03:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels]]

message: Recently I found out that Sam Raimi, the director of the Spider-Man movies, has gotten Goodkind's consent to begin planning a Sword of Truth miniseries, similar to the one made recently about the "Dune" series.  The series would begin production sometime next year.  I don't know at what point that news items like this should be added to the article, but I wanted to point it out.  I've only got very limited experience at editing Wiki pages so it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to start it.  Just putting it on the table.  Thanks! - Blitzrhenzai 22:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sword of Truth Miniseries Announced

message: This way you will not provide misinformation. Speculative opinion is not fact!
Mystar 16:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: If you are Editing Please check your facts=

message: NeoFreak done put up my High D'Haran page for AfD. please help me keep it up. i've been getting no help with this and neofreaks just one person who's been going on about deleting it all day. please check out the talk page there and then help if you want to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrickjsanford (talk • contribs) 
:You might find that most of the others would agree with me. I've already added the mention, ref and link about High D'Haran to the Sword of Truth page so the readers won't lose anything. The AfD is legit, I'm sorry, I really am. By all means I encourage others to check out the talk pages over at the High D'Haran page and the AfD nomination page. NeoFreak 20:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SAVE MY PAGE

message: hold on a second! it's not this page i'm wanting peer review on. i edited the Princess Violet page and want interested parties to review what i did, and see if they can improve it. i know that this isnt the documented peer review method, but theres no since in getting the whole wiki involved in a big thing. anyway, i added the last sentace to the third paragraph about the box in princess violets room, and put in the last paragraph about how richard kicked her. just wanting people to help with it. - Patrickjsanford 16:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for peer review

message: The Wikipedia:WikiProject Sword of Truth is now up and running, although there will undoubtedly be many changes, updates, and revisons over the next few weeks.  Please join if you are interested! You can use the shortcut WP:SoT for easy access. - Runch 17:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Sword of Truth]]

message: I altered one sentence. It was originally, "It is stated that Witch Women are able to see events in the flow of time, which is also a form of prophecy." I changed it to "It is stated that Witch Women are able to see events in the flow of time, which is also a form of prophecy, however the events that they can see, while true, ultimately don't occur as one might expect." I feel this is accurate, as in Wizard's First Rule Shota told Richard that both Kahlan and Zedd would betray him, Zedd be using Wizard's Fire against him and Kahlan by touching him with her power. While it is true that both Zedd and Kahlan used their powers against Richard, a wizard's web cast on Richard by Darken Rahl caused both Zedd and Kahlan to think that Richard was Darken. So it wasn't truly a betrayal, as Shota's words had Richard and Kahlan thinking. -- NME 06:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slight edit to "Magic." 

message: The Goodkind's sole body of work to date, the Sword of Truth series, has received both criticism  Reviewers discuss the awkward and repetetive prose and violence of the series.  However, critics have also noted improvement in his writing over the development of the series, his ability to construct a detailed and creative world, and his writing of heroic characters with a powerful sense of morality. Goodkind himself has defended his inclusion of items such as torture, stating that (regarding Wizard's First Rule) his purpose was to highlight the helplessness, degredation and irrationality of an abusive relationship, not to shock or disgust.
WLU 16:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What "group" does Mystar represent? Maybe you mean the members of the Goodkind sanctioned fansite www.terrygoodkind.net that Mystar runs or the official Terry Goodkind fan club that Mystar heads or the Terry Goodkind MySpace page that...Mystar runs. It doesn't matter and nobody cares who "Mystar speaks for" unless he is the legal agent of Terry Goodkind (he's not) which would give him the authority to speak to the wikimedia foundation about any legal issues that come from the policies of writing a "living persons" biography article.  I know that Mystar is a friend and fan of Goodkinds but it is already established that taking a straw poll from other Goodkind fans from any of his fan organizations means squat here. Each editor is on the same footing here restraied or empowered only by the policy of wikipedia. That's it. I would like to say that Mystar has done an excellent job (from what I can see) of avoiding spawning or enlisting any meat puppets from these places and I would imagine that will continue. If an editor wants his opinion heard then he needs to voice it, Mystar doesn't get any extra weight due to any affiliation with Goodkind fan organizations. NeoFreak 20:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WLU's attempts at more Critical attacks 

message: Thanks for the addition Omnilord (realizing you're away for Turkeyday - research shows that transitory increases in calories such as through single days like Thanksgiving resulted in brief elevations in metabolism, not long-term weight gain.  Have some gravy!)  My problem with the section as is conflates fantasy with a youthful audience.  I am an adult, and I read fantasy, as does my brother and many of my friends, my mother and my step-father, I'm guessing many of the editors of the Song of Ice and Fire pages as well, but we'd have to take a poll.  Also, Sword of Truth is without a doubt fantasy, pretentions of TG aside.  Reading fantasy does not mean you are a kid or immature.  Plus it really sounds like an apology for TG's adult themes.    The conflation of fantasy with children is one of the things I find irritating, as if writing fantasy is somehow something dirty or shameful or childish.  Fantasy is a genre like any other - there's good and bad.  Writing good fantasy, even though TG disagrees and this is a page on TG's novels, is not inherently bad, and right now I find the paragraph to be prejudicial against fantasy.  Wikipedia should reflect a NPOV, not the POV of the author (o'course he can have opinions on the page, but with references and it should be obvious that it's his).
Also, references to names past the first should be last names (i.e. replace Terry with Goodkind).  I've already taken the liberty.  WLU 02:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section - audience 

message: Just have a staw poll. WikieZach| talk 21:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A simple proposal by a mediator 

message: The sentence under Themes is wrong:
"The Sword of Truth series is also known for its intricately woven political intrigue, offering a stark contrast between Objectivist and socialist or collectivist beliefs."
I may not know too much about collectivist beliefs, but I do know that, although he may portray an anti-socialist (or anti-communist) Americanized POV, that does not mean that is what he's actually referring to.  I believe the term(s) needed here would be despotism, referring to the oligarchy involved.  Do not use the term socialism when it simply isn't.  There seems to be a large difference between what most North Americans view as socialism, and what the rest of the world views as socialism.  At best, you could say that the contrast is between libtertarianism, and authoritarian communism.  At best.  However, it would still be much better to leave politics out of this.  Especially seeing as how the comparison made is actually between a philisophical POV, and a political POV.  It makes no sense.  It's like comparing apples to oranges.  If no one has any objections, I would like to remove that sentence.
:Well, the assertions is unsourced and the opinion of several editors here. While it is your prerogative to remove any unsourced material that you choose to contest I would say that this particular statment is not controversial. Goodkind has made seeral statments about that being his position (which I can't cite now) and he has also made cited commments that he is an objectivist and his books reflect that position in contrast to that of collectivist beliefs. All objectivists (or Randians) are anti-collectivist. I don't really understand your position on there being a diffrent interpretation of "socailism" as it is a pretty wel agreed upon term. Maybe the differing points of view on "Leftism", "Communism" and "Liberalism" but not "socialism". Regardless, I would suggest you read some on the objectivist position and look at some of the source citations for his political positions pertaining to his books before you remove the comment. NeoFreak 22:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will definitely disagree with the idea of leaving politics out of this entirely. Goodkind focuses a good chunk of the novels to this and it's a very prominent theme throughout. Should it be cleaned up? Perhaps. But to be removed entirely? Absolutely not. --pIrish 23:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Needs a face lift.  how about:
"The Sword of Truth series is intricately woven with political intrigue designed to embody the stark contrast between Objectivism and collectivist beliefs." Omnilord 01:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: From my limited understanding of the series, there's less political intrigue as much as there is a clash of political ideologies (political intrigue to me is backfighting in boardrooms and between nobles in a court; clash of political ideologies is meeting in combat and overt disputes over the relationship between rulers, ruled and countries).  I'm not saying either is right, but the as someone reading the article with little background of the series, the two different ways of phrasing it gives two very different perceptions.  WLU 02:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't call it intricate, because there is almost no subtlety; it's basically exposition. Beaumains (talk) 22:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While you could probably classify some of the activity at the Palace of the Prophets in the earlier novels and a rather more significant chunk of the fifth book as something approximating "political intrigue", I really don't think it's important enough to mention in this article. The "philosophical message" is worth mentioning though - from book six onwards, parts of the novels are devoted to a polemic on the superiority of objectivism. Shinigami27 (talk) 02:38, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

text:  If you were to remove any mention of the Objectivist philosophy that is at the core of the writings of Terry Goodkind you are left with the TV series...which failed because anyone who has read the books could immediately see they not only ignored the lore from the books but set a plot and character tone that is 180 degrees apart from the books. Terry Goodkind has mentioned in interviews and FAQs that the writings of Ayn Rand are very much an influence and he believes that 'Art teaches man how to use his consciousness' and that was a prime motivation for writing for him..not to write fantasy novels but to write philosophy in a fantasy setting http://www.terrygoodkind.com/resources-qa.shtml.  There is no way to write Objectivist Philosophy without being labeled as political.  And Objectivist philosophy rejects collectivism in any form, including socialism. 96.19.250.130 (talk) 15:35, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics 

message: Isn't it common knowledge that a warlock is a male wizard, and a witch is a female wizard? I highly doubt it is different in this series.
Just as 'human' applies to both men and women, 'wizard' applies to both witch and warlock.
Someone should just remove that part, and edit it to : there are only four types of magic-users... or something like that.
Madking 18:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In SoT there is a big difference between sorceress and witch (woman). Wizard is only male and sorceress female. A very special thing is a sorcerer, this is something like a (male) "anti wizard". The word warlock is never used.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.57.240.41 (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warlock/Witch/Wizard 

message: This article can't avoid gushing on how great the series is every couple sentences:
The Sword of Truth, written by Terry Goodkind, is an epic fantasy series encompassing the stories of a diverse cast of characters.
Okay... fine... let's read on:
Each volume is self-contained, in that the primary conflicts of each novel are resolved within that novel; however, binding it together are the delicately interwoven threads of the many underlying characters and ongoing events throughout the works of this highly complex series.
Wow, delicately interwoven threads, you say!  Let's move on to the next section:
The Sword of Truth is an epic fantasy series featuring a vast cast of unique characters.
Funny, I'd have called the characters "painfully derivative"...
Goodkind portrays in his novels, through complex character development, that individuals can remain true in the face of adversity without sacrificing their values and moral beliefs.
Who says he uses complex character development?  You?  Please cite something or take your opinions elsewhere.
The Sword of Truth series is also known for its intricately woven political intrigue, offering a stark contrast between Objectivist and socialist or collectivist beliefs.
Wow, everything is so intricately woven.
Perhaps there should be a section on the (very much mixed) critical reviews of this "masterpiece".  Sorry for my tone :(
68.20.39.117 12:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you should be sorry. Wikipedians don't appreciate bad vibes. Happy editing,--Padawan Animator (talk) 18:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Many of those are reviews and quotes that are, in fact, published if not quoted in the article as they should be.  The primary issue with this article as whole is how it whitewashes the fact these books are not ment as fantasy books with some philosophical commentary, but as books on Objectivist Philosophy in a fantasy setting...in the method of Ayn Rand of using art to teach or convey messages.  Reguardless of how one feels about the philosophy, it is at the core of the series and it seems whitewashed from this article.  I lack the experience or credentials to go about making drastic changes to the page, but it must be said this page does not at all reflect the book series except as a work of fiction with plot points.  That would not work with Atlas Shrugged and it doesn't work here. 96.19.250.130 (talk) 15:42, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  gushing fansite 

message: This guy doesn't have an article, or even a sub-subsection to himself, yet he seemed to have a pretty rare form of magic. Was he notable (I believe he died in the same book he appeared), was he described, is there any info on him? Because the Sword of Truth is a SERIOUS series (or it's supposed to be), I don't exactly like imaging him as a one-handed  James from Team Rocket with a sketchpad... It's disturbing in all sorts of ways... XD 169.229.121.94 20:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue ran into here is that these books are not standalone fantasy novels, they are philosophy books in a fantasy setting and as such each character represents something.  James represents the media of the Royal Court and his ability to 'frame' the narrative of someone into a progressively narrower context until they are ultimately reduced to nothingness.  The only way Richard could escape this targeting was to use trickery to put the 'framing' onto James himself until it destroyed him with his own devices.  In short, its a metaphor as is most every character in the series and nearly every major plot point.  You can get the details of that in the fan FAQ and interviews by Terry Goodkind on his webpage or via google. 96.19.250.130 (talk) 15:58, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: James -err, more description, please 

message: I don't know who wrote that history page, but it reminds me of some papaers I have read on history books. The first couple of books in this series are covered in exceeding detail, and then its as if the author(s) realized they were taking too much space and condensed the rest of the books to several sentences. Some of the information in the History section is plain wrong, other parts have distorations or incomplete references and facts. Any objections to my reworking that section of the page? OptumusPatronus 03:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, go ahead. I recommend you check out some guidelines such as WP:FICT and WP:WAF before you start though. NeoFreak 12:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Should someone start a new page that inculdes the individual countries, such as Kelton in the Midlands? I noticed that this page doesn't go into too much detail on the country and its people.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.153.176.2 (talk) 16:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Page? Countries and Lands of the Sword of Truth

message: Hello!
Can we get a Spoiler Alert on the top of the page.  I just found out that the protagonist will be emulating Skywalker soon ("NOOOOOOO[...]OOOOOO!") and I haven't gotten there in the book yet, nor did I know to be wary of it due to the missing Spoiler Alert.
Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.59.200 (talk) 11:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but on Wikipedia it's assumed that articles about works of fiction will contain spoilers. We thus don't use spoilers warnings; you can read about it here. I suggest you don't read any more articles about The Sword of Truth until you've read the books! -Andrea (talk) 15:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Alert needed 

message: This article is way way too in-universe. If someone else doesn't sort it, I'll be back shortly to take care of the problem. --Allemandtando (talk) 10:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Way way too in-universe 

message: One negative aspect of the Sword of Truth's magic is that it drains the life force from the one wielding it, slowly and over time changing all the seekers into a Gollum-like creature. When Richard discovers Samuel, the last Seeker and confronts Zedd, Zedd can only offer a glimmer of hope to Richard that the prophecies speak of "The one true Seeker who will master the sword and be protected from that terrible fate".
The part about Samuel and Zedds saying that he is sorry is true, but Samuel is not a true seeker announced by a wizard, he is a coward who has stolen the sword. And he lost the "fight" with the sword on the first time he killed someone with it. After Richard used it the first time, Kahlan said, that Zedd said, the first killing is special and the sword will try to overpower the man wielding it. "All" remember how powerful and frightening a "true" seeker announced by a wizard is, so is it really true, that all seekers end like Samule if they don't die? 
Another thing is that Samuel does not kill with it, because he fears the pain, the sword gives, but Richard kills with the sword before Denna captures him and is proteced by his right anger. 84.57.240.41 (talk) 21:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sword and Seeker of Truth 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Stone of Tears.jpg

message: I posted the statement because it's vital to the section. However, if someone can find where Terry himself posted it, instead of having to cite a message board, that'd be great. Also, please feel free to clean up my formatting or change it to be suitable for a quote, this is one of my first times editing Wikipedia.Hypershadow647 (talk) 23:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  terry no longer involved 

message: Ikip (talk) 06:55, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: FYI: [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Creatures_in_The_Sword_of_Truth]] 

message: The overlooking of legitimate criticism, such as the author's soap-boxing, the ignorance of real political and philosophical terms in the editors defending the author, etc.  I don't care very much one way or the other about the author or the series (both are nothing special and the work is very derivative) but its profile has been raised by the TV adaption and this page is not fit for an encyclopaedia as it stands.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.192.30 (talk) 00:22, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agree, currently this is a summary of all the books not an article about the series. Readers can go and read the individual entries for each book already. This whole article should either be scrapped or moved over into the The Sword of Truth universe as a summary or, if fans wish, a Sword of Truth portal.Silentbob7843920 (talk) 18:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Perhaps a better page title would be 'Writings of Terry Goodkind'?  If each book already has a page then it should be handled similarly to that of his inspiration Ayn Rand yes? 96.19.250.130 (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page badly needs an overhaul and is currently slavishly favourable of the author and series. 

message: A video is up on Terry's site and youtube channel promoting a new Richard and Kahlan novel for early 2011. Notice he doesn't call it Sword of Truth!
This is exciting! He probably is continuing the story in the Sword of Truth universe since the show has brought so many more people to the books! Seekeroftruth469 (talk) 16:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Richard and Kahlan novel! Confessor sequel?! 

message: The Law of Nines section states that the lead protagonist Alex Rahl is a descendant of Jensen Rahl. Is this in fact confirmed? According to the series Richard & Kahlan's children will include male Confessors which are a horror that must be avoided at all costs. This book mentions the Rahl golden age ending but doesn't specify if it ends with Richard's (or his heirs) death or disappearance. It strikes me as conceivable that Richard and Kahlan in an effort to enjoy a normal life in the woods, would need to leave their world, certainly their own little corner of it. Given Alex was able to activate the gateway I'd say he must have magic in his blood though of course the book suggests otherwise. There were a few other artifacts and indications though that to my mind imply the possibility of magic. Anyhow isn't it reaching to state that Alex is Jensen's descendant rather than Richards? I'd suggest changing the claim to reflect the ambiguity.203.25.1.208 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 23:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't really the place to discuss theories.  Try Terry Goodkind's website to discuss theories on.--70.114.38.28 (talk) 22:46, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Law of Nines - Ancestry? 

message: There are some hyperlinks that don’t work correctly. For example, under the section “Invasion of the Imperial Order,” there are links to Verna and Ann. They should take one to the appropriate sections in the “List of the Sword of Truth Characters.” Will someone with more savvy than I please repair these links. Thank you. Mike Bandy (talk) 09:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some bad links  

message: Substituted at 08:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: This article is clearly not limiting itself to books part of the official "sword of truth" series. That culminated in Confessor and Omen Machine began a new series.
Legend of Magda is similarly not part of the series. So if we mention this then why not have a section for Law of Nines? Both are separated from the main sequence by centuries.
It is silly to dismiss it as speculation when anyone who reads Confessor recognizes the undisputable connection. Ranze (talk) 13:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lof9s inclusion 

message: The introduction paragraph states there are 20 books in the series, then just below it they are listed 'in chronological order' ... I'm only counting 19 titles though. If the titles were listed by date of publication, would there be 20? Does listing them by fictional timeline of events warp the fundamental laws of this reality whereby 20 and 19 are the same number and equal to one another? How many rules were there? 42 right? Pretty sure there are 42 wizard rules. It's only logical.
Not sure I want to get involved. I've not read the wheel of something or whatever either, but I'm not looking the amount of uncertainty involved with establishing a baseline for what it's getting into if I pick up one of these books.. I was wholly unprepared for the way the song of ice and fire painstakingly described every mouthwatering bite of every meal every character had and I had to stop reading it after I put on 30lbs (binge feasting while I read), IDK if I can put up with the childishness I've seen it these debates. Why is it unacceptable to flit from one escapist fantasy to another leaving without judgments, it's escapism, enjoy the ride... But I digress.
I'm really confused about the 19≠20 thing though since Kindle doesn't list "book 6" with it's numerical designation as it does for 1-5 && 7-11 then it jumps to 14.. I really must insist that you lost the titles by their publication dates as well, story time timelines are only as complete as a guarantee that no official Canon stories will every be published by the original authors again.. like Anne Rice vowing to never write another one of those kinds of stories again (paraphrased), then twilight happened. *Sighs* But trying to put them in chronological order in the midst of her still writing novels would be ludicrous, especially given the broad scopes of time each novel encompassed. At the very least, each mini synopsis should have publication dates and probably list each one's order in any original numbering schemas. I'm gleaning the idea that the first book was the first wizard rule or whatever, so that kind of information, while redundant to your understanding, should be foremost present to any layman who happens upon this article. Users are either in it to follow every link they see, it they are looking for information. In the case of the latter, they are unlikely to load page after page of articles to get to what they might be looking for (this is especially true when browsing on mobile devices and data networks), it's simply not time efficient. And if it takes so long to get to the point that you forgot what the point was... Well, isn't that pointless?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.35.137.24 (talk) 15:44, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many books are there? 

message: Should the "Publications" section be expanded to include the "The Law of Nines?"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.28.188 (talk) 05:13, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion of the "Publications" section?