Talk:Exeter

message: This really ought to be at Exeter. It has been the subject of a move by BRG, which Mintguy has opposed, and then an edit war. I had an open mind on this question to begin with, however Mintguy has made a very strong case for the primacy of Exeter. Further, as someone who lives many thousands of miles away from both the UK and the US and has not visited either place, I think I'm something of an impartial judge on this one: I have never heard of any place called "Exeter" except the one in England. I'll bet good money that the same applies to most people. Tannin 16:08 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:Or if it does have any disambiguating text it should be in standard disambiguation form: Exeter (England). Only the US and English-speaking Canada commonly use commas. --mav 17:43 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)
It seems to me that Australians also use commas. In fact, when I looked up Tannin, he gave his location as "Ballarat, Victoria" -- using a comma just the same way Americans would. I've also seen Monash University given an address of "Clayton, Vic." --- BRG
::Exeter College in Exeter, I think New Hampshire is notable, having produced certain US politicians (certain being an attribute in some cases).  It was settled, I presume, by people who fanned out from Plymouth after Landing.  Its notability derives from Exeter (England) so primacy remains if it matters. Midgley 12:17, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Exeter

message: I have to disagree with Seglea's edit that the new economics foundation's judgement was superficial. The parameters of the survey may have been superficial, but the result, within its own terms, does not seem not to be. It clearly only refers to shops on the High Street. Exeter does indeed have a varied selection of shops in "the more interesting roads immediately connecting to it", but this is irrelevant to nef's survey. Hence my NPOV edit, which is probably being generous!
Actually I think that the whole paragraph should be struck out, because the ephemeral nef survey has little relevance to a permanent encyclopaedia article. Or maybe it should be replaced with something along the lines of "In 2005 Exeter was voted the worst clone town in Britain - an award disputed by many local residents"
See http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/news_clonetownbritainresults.aspx and the pdf of the full report.
Smalljim 22:18, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I don't think there's a need for an edit war on this one.  I decidedly agree that, at least in a few months' time, the whole thing should be reduced to a sentence.  One of the advantages of Wikipedia over other encyclopedias, however, is that we can give temporary prominence to ephemeral issues like this, so I wouldn't want to do so immediately.  On reflection, what I was objecting to was the inclusion of the location of the more interesting shops within the matter of opinion - that is a matter of fact; the superficiality of the judgement, however, is a genuine matter of opinion and you're right, it should be flagged as such.  I just whipped out the "Some say..." usage because I think it is one of the worst Wikipedia-isms - the kind of thing you tell first year students off for saying in essays - and also often inserted when the reality is "Everyone who knows anything about it agrees, but a few people with a bee in their bonnets disagree..." I'm not suggesting this is one of these cases, of course, and actually in this case it's known who says it (local residents, as correctly noted above, and also if I remember rightly the city council).  I'll try to track down the official rebuttal, but for now I'll just change to "many local residents", the truth of which I can vouch for, being one.  seglea 08:16, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to say there is far too much about that topic and how about we reduce it sharply - I'm not even sure the survey needs mentioning by name except in the deep reference stuff in here or the history trail.  A year on, time to boil it down.  Should we have a picture of the Princesshay developments?  If so where should it be taken from?  Midgley 12:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How can the Princesshay redevelopment possibly be used as an explanation for the clone like nature of the High Street? What 'banks' moved onto the High Street from there? Princesshay was low-rent and actually used to contain many independent retailers. Its 'redevelopment' will increase rents and force out the smaller retailers; ie the number of chain-stores in Exeter will go up not down. The paragraph should be truncated to a couple sentences on the NEF findings alone IMO.Simmyymmis 01:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Is NEF notable?  There are any number of surveys and that seemed unremarkable.  "Exeter has the usual range of national chains in its High St" would be a possible insertion, for the moment I've gutted that paragraph and left it.  Midgley 04:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: nef statement that Exeter is worst "clone town"

message: Should the Exeter Falcons Speedway team be included in the "Sports" section? I understand that they are on 'hiatus' this year due to the County Ground changing hands, however they are almost certain that they will be back next year. They've been a prominent team on the Speedway circuit, but I didn't know whether to include it as they are currently 'inactive'. - crewdy 16:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exeter Falcons 

message: Should Haldon Freeride be in the sports section?  It's a voluntary project just outside exeter to create a series of mountainbike trails.  I would just put it in the page myself but am wiki noob, so thought I'd ask first. --PeteOtaqui 14:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haldon FreeRide 

message: Bidwill was a botanist who was active in Australia, who was born in Exeter.
I would appreciate anyones contribution to John Carne Bidwill#Life in England - as he became a botanist I can only assume he was schooled somewhere! Given what he rose to become (a magistrate amongst other things) I am guessing his family weren't total nobodies at the time? 
Hoping to hit on a local historian from Exeter, Garrie 23:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[John Carne Bidwill]] (1815-1853) 

message: I've removed an infobox cleanup tag from this article.  I understand that it was placed there as a sugestion that the box be replaced with a standard template version.  Unfortunately, no such template currently exists.   is rather US-centric, and English cities (but not Scottish cities) are currently uncatered for.  A proposed solution would be to expand  to accommodate English cities.  The alternative, a new template forking either of the above templates, is less ideal, but more easily doable. — mholland 15:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: Someone added this to the article, ut it belongs here really:
*have you ever heard of something starting at junction 31??? think it ends in exeter with junctions 29 through 31.... oh and there is a good little backroad off the 303 that goes through Larkhill and avoids stonehenge
:Totnesmartin 19:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course the M5 starts at J31... pure metropolicentricism to suppose it starts somewhere in the wilds of Birmingham.  (Compare Bluff, New Zealand, which advertises itself as "The place where the highway begins").  seglea (talk) 22:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: why I meant was, logically it would start at junction 1 and end at 31. In any case metrocentrism is appropriate as that's how the motorways were conceived - thay radiate away from the major cities. Totnesmartin (talk) 20:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What? is irony dead in Totnes? seglea (talk) 23:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Road 

message: I have added a section for this - using some of the existing Situation information but stripping out the history bits.  I am trying to see how I can add those back in - but I am having difficulty shoehorning in the ecclesiastical bit.  I leave below what I have not been able to find a home for (help).
"From Saxon times until the 19th century, the diocese of Exeter covered the whole of the counties of Devon and Cornwall, and civil administration and services tended to follow the lines of the ecclesiastical."
I have removed the part about Topsham - it seems well covered in the Canal section.
JamesFitz 23:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography 

message: I have removed the following which an anon had put in as a header to the Sport section:
:"The city of Exeter has underachieved in all aspects of sports, relative to other towns and cities in the United Kingdom of similar size and importance:"
Actually I think this is arguably true, but it is not supported by the material which follows in the Sport section, except in relation to soccer.  If we are going to say this, we need some examples of other towns and cities of comparable importance, with links to the sections of articles about them which show clearly that they have performed better.  Otherwise it's just POV seglea 19:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sport 

message: Have removed the following McDonald's photo and explanation:
... for its shameless promotion of something that isn't in the slightest representative of the economy of Exeter. If the poster of the image wants to see this on Wiki, they'd be well advised to post it to the McDonald's article.
--Manusmanus (talk) 10:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy 

message: Removed this section: a news item that already (for some unknown reason) has its own page. An encyclopedia is not the place for filing news stories, unless the story is in itself significant.
--Manusmanus (talk) 07:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think before this is remvoed there should be more debate on it. The inclusion in the Exeter article is minimal, because yes it has it's own page. Maybe you are unaware, it was an explosion with terrorist activity - just, unlike the Glasgow attempted attack, there was only one injured. Maybe reading the article may help you realise the severity of the incident. Thenthornthing (talk) 12:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it should have its own sub-section in the history section. A sentence at the end mentioning it with a link is sufficient. The picture might be used, if no other better ones can be found of this period, whilst moving the other images further up the page or perhaps moving them elsewhere, as they're not so much about history. bsrboy (talk) 15:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Agree - a totally insignificant event compared to the daily violence on the streets of all UK cities, I'd say remove all reference to it. --C Hawke (talk) 11:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whereas I agree with the above comment, there still should be a minor mention on it. Even if it is just a sentence. People will still remember this, people in Exeter and with an interest in Devon that is, so therefore should be mentioned. Thenthornthing (talk) 13:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

text:  - I've added one sentence about it at the end of the history section with a link to the article. bsrboy (talk) 15:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

text: It has a lot of third party references, although the main reason it has so many is because of its topic i.e. it creates good media attention. This isn't how Wikipedia works, but one sentence will not damage its reputation. bsrboy (talk) 14:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princess Hay Explosion 

message: Nowhere in the article is there a mention of the physical size (sq km) of Exeter.  This information is usually included in the infobox.  Given that it's both a city and a district, this information should readily be available on the page, no?--Criticalthinker (talk) 09:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 4,703, although I can't be bother to add it in, as the infobox should probably be converted to template:Infobox settlement. Jolly Ω Janner 13:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Physical Size of Exeter

message: As in most English towns and cities, people in Exeter don't talk about "High Street" but about "the High Street" (although "The city's High Street" and similar are perfectly ok, and an address in the High Street would just be written as "101 High Street").  I have changed wording throughout the article to reflect this.  I don't know why it is so, but it is.  It doesn't apply if the main street is called "Main Street" (rare in the UK) or "Fore Street" (common in Devon and Cornwall). seglea (talk) 22:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Hay"  I was informed by an Exeter City Council redcoat guide was a designation for a meadow, presumably literally - where there's hay. Therefore I presume Southernhay, Northernhay, and Princesshay were at one time meadows - no references for it though.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.169.197.32 (talk) 18:45, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite true, I think.  "Haie" was a Norman French word meaning a fenced enclosure - as at Hay-on-Wye, Roundhay in Leeds, Pithay in Bristol, etc.  The SOED has a definition of it: "a hedge, fence... an enclosure... a park".  There's a reference to the word's use in Exeter here - I'm not sure why it is more prevalent in Exeter than elsewhere.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting - got me searching a bit. The name Princesshay is modern - I think this can be trusted for that. Northernhay and Southernhay were hedged enclosures to the north and south of the city walls, according to trusty old Gover, Mawer and Stenton's Placenames of Devon (1931) p.24. On p.129, GM&S further points out that placenames ending in -hayes or -hayne are common in S.E. Devon, and probably derive from the name of a medieval owner or a short placename (Stone, Coombe, Wood, Ford etc.), with the suffix coming to mean farm or holding, similar to -bury in Essex etc. Learned opinion may have changed in the intervening 80 years, of course, but there it is, FWIW.  —SMALLJIM  22:30, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The High Street

message: Just noticed the demonym for a resident of Exeter is listed as "Extonian" whereas I thought it was "Exonian".  Not saying that either is necessarily correct or incorrect I am just seeking clarification so is there any chance of a source for this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.43.239 (talk) 20:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed it to Exonian, although I cannot find any reliable sources. Jolly Ω Janner 21:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OED, the most reliable source possible for an English word, has Exonian, first recorded in 1871.  It has no record of Extonian, the nearest related word being extonious (obsolete, rare), meaning astonishing.  As an Exonian of 32 years' standing I have never heard Extonian used.  OED derives Exonian from the late Latin Exonia for Exeter (the Romans of course called it Isca Dumnoniorum), which appears also in the signature of the Bishop of Exeter and in the designation of University of Exeter graduates as Exon. (Exoniensis) seglea (talk) 14:19, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that. I originaly added Extonian, but I know little about Exeter and I guess I mixed it up with Exonian. Jolly Ω Janner 16:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: From the OED dates, I strongly suspect that "Exonian" was one of those pseudo-traditional Victorian coinages.  But Extonian would never do, because historically the x and t in Exeter where more separate - it was Excester or even Execester in the 16th century.  I guess an Extonian should come from Exton, down on the east side of the Exe estuary.  I must remember to introduce "extonious" into my everyday conversation, it should be quite self-referential.  seglea (talk) 20:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extonian? 

message: removed a short section on Exmouth, as follows:
"Exeter also maintains a strong relationship with neighbouring Exmouth in terms of visitors, travel, schooling and the River Exe.
An estimated 16000 people travel from Exeter to Exmouth every year and 6000 from Exmouth to Exeter.
The local travel companies often organise trips around the landscape, places include the River Exe. Exmouth offered support and policing in shadow of the attempted terrorist attack at the Princess Hay shopping centre."
This doesn't seem to belong in an Exeter article - the commuting figures are possibly interesting but don't add much unless there were comparable figures for other neighbouring towns, and anyway they are unclear and unreferenced. seglea (talk) 22:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Exmouth section

message: I removed the line "Note the red sandstone, characteristic of many older Exeter buildings." from the caption of the picture of Rougemont Castle gatehouse as it is misleading. Although it is true of many buildings in Exeter, it is not true of the castle gatehouse, which was constructed from reddish volcanic rock quarried at Rougemont circa 1068.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.43.196.227 (talk) 19:06, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, thanks for the correction. Do you have a source for this kind of information? seglea (talk) 23:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rougemont Castle 

message: 'Of which a majority ...' is not grammatically a sentence, and I don't see why the cathedral is an exception - the C of E is a Christian denomination. Mdrb55 (talk) 21:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

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