Talk:Big Beautiful Woman/Archive 1

message: I was directed to this page when I clicked on a link marked "zaftig."  Somehow, I doubt that term is as polite or as PC as BBW.
:what are you kidding me? i know many large women that refer to themselves as zaftig.
:I dunno, seems okay to me. --Golbez 02:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Zaftig" is just an adjective in the Yiddish language; it does not have very much to do with this particular subculture.  At least I think I'll change the redirect to female body shape.--Pharos 03:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temporarily disabled 

message: I am not entirely sure this term was made originally for obese women whom are generally considered attractive by almost no one. There's a definitely difference between the curvaceous and even plump women depicted in some art and the ones seen waddling about the streets of America today. My theory is the term originally meant tall, strong, and voluptuous "Amazon" types. Does anyone have information on this?
:I think you're wrong. --Golbez 08:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My Comments

message: Here it is:
:Exceptionally large women are called SSBBWs, with the SS standing for "super size".
Maybe someone can do something with this.  Joie de Vivre 19:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced comment moved here

message: I think the whole neutrality of this article is up for debate.  I am hesitant to offer any edits, as I would obviously be biased in my descriptions.  However, that does not detract from the fact that this article is NOT written from a neutral standpoint.  Joshuah Hounshell 18:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you elaborate on that? I've tagged it. I've also added a references tag as there is a complete lack in the article.--Crossmr 05:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This description is really good. If you can find sources for it, maybe we can work some of this into the article.  We should document that the term is used differently in different contexts.  Got sources?  Joie de Vivre 20:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not particularly interested in researching all the sources myself because I have discovered I am no good at it, I just wrote it from long observation of BBW community interaction via the net.  I see this as a very problematic article, and part of the problem is that no initial structure for the article has been established, nor is there any dictionary willing to tackle it (thus far) and so offer a guide on what to include.  I have just reworked the entry as it stands now, I have no sources other than what is included so if someone would like to pick up the baton and keep running then that's fine with me.  I think the issue with neutrality may now be addressed in this reworking of the descriptions and breaking down each area of usage.  Hopefully! AntiVanity 08:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: The definition and usage of BBW is subjective, relative, individual and dependent on the context.  As smaller woman will euphemize a derogatory implication of 'fat' or 'obese' to 'BBW'; a woman of substantial girth will use the term as a positive implication of 'fat' or 'obese'.  A woman over a US size 18 would likely be told that she is too large for mainstream plus-size fashion modeling, yet she may find success in BBW modeling, which almost always implies fetishism or boudoir-style glamour photography (i.e.lingerie, bedroom environments) - a non-acceptance of beauty beyond size where one might expect it most to be found.  Men searching for partners might  note their preference as BBW (in the same way GSOH denotes "good sense of humour"), yet this does not specify lower or upper size limit in specific terms to assist definition.If you try http://www.askoxford.com for the Oxford Dictionary's definition of BBW, it receives no search results.  Likewise for "Big Beautiful Woman/Women" entered as a phrase, and both of those also strike out again over at Webster's Dictionary at http://www.m-w.com.  If the dictionaries can't provide any learned guidance on the topic, how can Users of the Wiki find their way to one?  AntiVanity 08:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This description is really good. If you can find sources for it, maybe we can work some of this into the article.  We should document that the term is used differently in different contexts.  Got sources?  Joie de Vivre 20:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not particularly interested in researching all the sources myself because I have discovered I am no good at it, I just wrote it from long observation of BBW community interaction via the net.  I see this as a very problematic article, and part of the problem is that no initial structure for the article has been established, nor is there any dictionary willing to tackle it (thus far) and so offer a guide on what to include.  I have just reworked the entry as it stands now, I have no sources other than what is included so if someone would like to pick up the baton and keep running then that's fine with me.  I think the issue with neutrality may now be addressed in this reworking of the descriptions and breaking down each area of usage.  Hopefully! AntiVanity 08:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Not so much neutrality, as defining the many usages satisfactorily...

message: ===Books===
*Big and Beautiful: Become the Big Beautiful Person You Were Meant to Be, by Katie Arons with Jacqueline Shannon, 1999
*Real Women Don't Diet: One Man's Praise of Large Women & The Society That Rejects Them, by Ken Mayer, 1993
*Big Bold & Beautiful: Living Large On a Small Planet, by Jackqueline Hope, 1996
*True Beauty: Positive Attitudes & Practical Tips From The World's leading Plus Size Model, by Emme, 1996
*Delta Style: Eve Wasn't a Size Six and Neither Am I, by Delta Burke, 1998
*Live Large!: Affirmations For Living The Life That You Want In The Body You Already Have, by Cheri K. Erdman, 2003 
*All of Me: A Voluptuous Tale, by Venise Berry, 2000
*Skinny Women Are Evil: Notes of a Small-Minded World, by Mo'Nique, 2004
===Magazines (both print and internet-only circulation)===
* BBW Magazine (out of print) - http://www.bbwmagazine.com still active
* Mode (out of print)
* Dimensions
* Big Butt
* Plumpers
* BUF Magazine
* Big and Fat, (was later known as Big Girls)
* XL and Voluptuous, XL (magazine)
* BODacious
===Music===
*Artist: Anthony Hamilton, Song: Sista Big Bones
*Artist: The Chubby Chasers, Song: BBW Barbeque
*Artist: Jimmie Vestal, Song: Big Beautiful Women Know How To Strut Their Stuff. A MP3 rap digital release.
*Artist: Queen, Song: Fat Bottomed Girls
*Artist: Sir Mix-a-Lot, Song: Baby Got Back
*Artist: Mika, Song: Big Girl (You Are Beautiful)
*Artist: Dan Bryk, Song: BBW (Chunky Girl)
*Artist: k.d. lang, Song: Big Boned Gal
*Artist: G.B.H., Song: Big Women
*Artist: The Commodores, Song: Brick House
*Artist: U2, Song: Big Girls Are Best
*Artist: Spinal Tap, Song: Big Bottom
*Artist: The Rainmakers, Song: Big Fat Blonde
*Artist: Bull Moose Jackson; Candye Kane, Song: Big Fat Mamas Are Back In Style Again
*Artist: Candye Kane, Song: You Need A Great Big Woman
*Artist: Candye Kane, Song: Fit, Fat And Fine
*Artist: Candye Kane, Song: 200 Pounds Of Fun
*Artist: AC/DC, Song: Whole Lotta Rosie
*Artist: Insane Clown Posse, Song: Fat Sweaty Betty
===Television===
*Family Matters - Episode: Pound Foolish
*Family Guy - Episode:  Sibling Rivalry
AntiVanity 08:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop culture references

message: *Family Matters - Episode: Pound Foolish
*Family Guy - Episode:  Sibling Rivalry
AntiVanity 08:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Television