Talk:List of Pokémon Trading Card Game sets

message: Neo Revelation's symbol is not a drop of water or a reference to the Red Gyarados. What it is is a representation of the Three Beasts fleeing from the Burned Tower. This is easily seen from the booster packs -- the background is an old, darkened building with arched supports; Suicune, Raikou, and Entei all appear (as Sugimori art) on booster packs, along with Misdreavus; and the Neo Revelation symbol is replicated on the booster packs with the left extension red, the middle extension blue, and the right extension yellow -- obviously referring to the colors and/or elements of the Beasts. (The bottom part of the symbol is shown as a ribbon that says "Revelation"; Neo is in large letters slightly obscuring the extensions.) 67.54.145.95 01:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neo Revelation Symbol

message: This is a work in progress; I still need to  all the dubious claims, turn the "notable cards" into bulleted lists (and weed them out), and rewrite the intro for each section. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should this be merged in, too? (EX Team Rocket Returns, EX Emerald) (no idea why i'm working on an article that deals with a topic i neither like nor know anything about) --elias.hc 17:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the rest of the sets need to be merged, too. I'll get on that; RL stuff intervened in the middle of this merge. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Information

message: :"As part of a promotion, an American-only Raichu can be found in this set, though it is the rarest card." - Team Rocket set section
I was a collector of Pokémon cards up to the Gym Leader set, and I recall that the Dark Raichu was available in the Japanese set, and was the rarest card, being a white star. In America, Dark Raichu was devalued to a black star, same rarity as other black stars.
Japanese card
American card
Is this just weird phrasing or something? ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 23:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dark Raichu is listed as being 83/82, which in the American versions seems to indicate a "super rare" holo. If you look at other sets, you'll see those listed as the rarest. Crazedgiggles 00:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong. The American version of Dark Raichu was a regular rare and of regular rarity; Wizards of the Coast had a policy against creating "super rares". You had the same chance of getting a Dark Raichu as you would any other rare from that set. It's only 83/82 simply to avoid detection on card lists of the time. Also, Dark Raichu was released in Japan in their Neo 2 set, not in their Rocket set; THAT card was "super rare", though. -- Nick15 04:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Weird statement

message: I've moved all the information from the Base Set bit to the new Base Set page, and I've enabled a hyperlink from the title to the page. I'll do this with all the other pages shortly. Double Dash 20:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Augh, please don't do that. We don't need individual articles on each set of the Pokémon TCG; there's just not much that's encyclopedic that you can say about them. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I agree with you concerning the Wizards sets. But not the Pokémon USA sets; I've already made six pages for PUSA sets, with plenty of information on them. However, may I suggest actually making a page for each set - yes, it may make a lot more 'unnecessary' pages, but I have a lot of information I could put on these pages:
#The main details about the sets as outlined in this article
#Details on notable cards for each set, with some details in this article (and plenty more on my PC)
#Timelines, detailing the set's releases in North America, Europe and Japan, and the set that came directly before/after them
#Set lists for all sets
#Pictures of cards, sometimes set logos and set symbols
I would do this, and I will do this, if you feel it'll work. If you're not sure, just let me try it out with the Base Set, then you can decide. I strongly feel this would work. For an example of my work, click here. I've also done every set after and including Unseen Forces. Double Dash 20:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The cleanup that needs to be done is the removal of POV choices of "notable cards," as well as the addition of reliable source citations. Splitting this up is just going to result in the addition of more unsourced, original research analysis of each set. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, then, I'll get rid of all the Notable Cards bits if that helps. Double Dash 20:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Base Set 

message: Nintendo's first published set was EX Ruby and Sapphire. I began making changes to fix this.GooTuM 04:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error 

message: I'm going to try to make new pages for all the sets, however im not really sure how to link them all together in a organized way. Once I make new pages for the other sets, can someone fix them so they are all easily accessible from this main page? I think I'll try to add a promo/error/special/other cards databases too...
And maybe instead of having a long drawn out page like this, why dont we break it up into a main page for the basic info and links, and then just have a bunch of links to each individual set?? Is there some sin against god in doing that? Cause with all your disagreements about how to have this page and all the other pages look, you dont seem to be really doing much in the terms of resolving the quality issues.
:Splitting this up is just going to result in the addition of more unsourced, original research analysis of each set. Feel free to write a referenced article, but a split that adds nothing but unsourced evaluation, checklists, extra fair-use images, or other unencyclopedic content will be reverted. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you considered using Pokebeach instead? They have complete lists; there's no need to shoehorn that info into this project. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding Other Sets

message: hopefully someone's watching this page... i was hoping that information like what set were new features (e.g. poke-bodies) introduced? -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 19:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: , I suppose. The articles weren't very helpful when I merged them. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That's part of the problem. I could send you to Pojo or Pokegym, but just like Beach and Serebii they're fansites run  without editorial oversight. They're hardly reliable sources. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And don't I know it. Well, I'd love to help, but I can't find anything useful other than from the official TCG site, which is rubbish anyway. Besides, I'm still moving everything to its own wiki (exams getting in the way if it being finished already). Cipher (Talk to the hand) 22:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  lack of info 

message: I played the TCG back since the beginning up until EX FireRed-LeafGreen, and used to maintain a Pokémon TCG website which stored all the little tidbits and trivia I've picked up about the game. In reading this article I've spotted some glaring errors, however I'm not too familiar with the Wikipedia article writing rules enough to go through and change everything. I will, however, state what I believe to be errors and my explination for it. A lot of it is pulled from here.
Base Set
* It is one of few sets to include Fighting, Fire, Grass, Lightning, Psychic and Water Energy cards - A lot of sets include Basic energy cards. I don't know if this is a relavent line.
Fossil
* One intention of this set is to complete the 151 species of Pokémon from the first generation. - Just FYI, the Japanese set included Mew, the Wizard set did not. Therefore, the Wizard's version of Fossil only completed 150 Pokémon.
* This might explain why Fossil contains the fewest cards of any standard set in the card game. - The Japanese set had 64 cards, the same as Jungle. The Wizards set was 62, only because Mew was taken out.
Base Set 2
* This is because by the time it was released, those two sets were considered "too old" and unusable in tournaments. - Not really. I really don't know why exactly it was made, but I suspect it had more to do with Wizards' habit of making reprint sets than anything else. I doubt it had anything to do with tournaments because all the cards used in the best tournament decks of the time (like Hitmonchan and Professor Oak) were reprinted. This was also before Modified existed. BS2's tournament purpose is in contrast to Legendary Collection, a reprint set that WAS built with tournaments in mind; they did not reprint broken cards in LC and kept useable cards which would have been rotated out of Modified to begin with.
Team Rocket
* This proved unpopular with competitive play, and Dark Pokémon would not show a strong presence - From what I remember, Dark Vileplume was very popular. Though I figure that if you're gonna say Dark Pokémon were unpopular, you might as well say all Pokémon were also unpopular just because they weren't used all that much.
* This is also the first set to include a card exclusive to the English language version. As part of a promotion, an American-only Dark Raichu can be found in this set, though it is the rarest card. The card number for Dark Raichu states "83/82". - Actually, it was Wizards' first, but not a Wizards' exclusive; it was reprinted in Japan in Neo 2. I'm sure it was released in other countries which Wizards produced the Pokémon TCG for, it's not really "American-only". Likewise, its rarity is no different than any other holo-rare card of the set, it just didn't have a nonholo counterpart. Wizards apparently had a policy against producing "ultra-rares". It was an ultra-rare when it was released in Japan, though.
Gym Heores
* While all eight Gym Leaders are represented, - Actually, only the first six Gym Leaders have cards in this set. Neither Koga nor Giovanni have cards in this set. Just check the card list.
* Additionally, some of the "Rare" cards had little or no value in play, - While that's true for the Wizards' set, those cards were of Fixed rarity in the Japanese set. Wizards thought that since they were Fixed cards in the Japanese set, and that Wizards' didn't deal with Fixed cards, they must be made into Rares.
Gym Challenge
* Its name comes from the Gym Leaders it focuses on. - That, and the original Japanese set was called "Challenge From the Dark" or something of that extent. Since I'm sure Wizards' didn't want to call it "Gym Villians" (opposite of "Gym Heroes"), they just lifted the word "Challenge" from the original set.
* It features the last four Pokémon Gyms in Kanto encountered in the video games and the Gym Leaders who own them - The Japanese set did, yes. The Wizards' set however just had all eight Gym Leaders together.
Neo Genesis
* The design on the cards have also changed, now looking closer to the Japanese version. - Well, to be technical, the Japanese cards changed as well between their Gym 2 and their Neo 1 sets. The Wizards' version of Neo 1 just added those changes to their card design.
Southern Islands
* Though it is often considered the tenth set, - It was released around the same time as Gym 2 in Japan, versus before Neo Revelation by Wizards'. I wouldn't stick this in the set list myself.
Neo Destiny
* Perhaps the reason why Light Pokémon have not seen an appearance after this set is because... - Does this line of speculation need to be in there?
Legendary Collection
* Its purpose is to make these cards legal in tourmanent play; otherwise, these cards would be considered "too old." - I wouldn't say "too old" as much as "illegal for Modified play".
* Strangely, even though this set is an amalgamation of four sets, this set contains fewer cards than any of the following three. - I wouldn't say that that's strange, the purpose of a reprint set like Legendary Collection is to reintroduce cards into Modified tournament play which originally would have been rotated out.
* This set is the last to be owned by Wizards of the Coast .... began publishing the game in North America on their own. - Totally wrong. The issue of Wizards losing the TCG license wouldn't come into play at least a year after this set was released (this was released in May 24th, 2002). Nor was this set the last one produced by Wizards; Skyridge was (May 12th, 2003). 
Expedition
* This may be the reason why cards in the Expedition set are noticeably thicker than previous sets. - I could be wrong, but I doubt there is any thickness difference between Card-E and regular cards.
OK, that's all the errors I've spotted that I have any authority to comment on. -- Nick15 04:59, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors I've Spotted 

message: Could someone please show me whats wrong with the pikachu of irregularity? It does not look like an "error" to me.
the only difference i see is the symbol on the right?
Blkeddie! 06:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HP text isn't bold, and the little text box right under the artwork isn't slanted.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not the reason. It's because the illustration has red cheeks, when it's supposed to have yellow cheeks. Cipher (Talk to the hand) 15:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error Pikachu? 

message: Base set list - I've removed the link from the page, can somebody please set this article up for deletion. Wikipedia is not the place for this; stuff like this can be found as fan wikis like Bulbapedia, where it actually belongs. Cipher (Talk to the hand) 22:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Base set list" page 

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message: It's probably not appropriate to redirect 'Base Set' to this page - this has other meanings in mathematics... perhaps better to introduce a disambiguation page? MackSalmon (Talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 14:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Base Set redirection 

message: This is the title of an upcoming Doctor Who novel, so soon an article of this title will need to be created; hence, the redirect will need to be deleted. Thus, the Doctor Who/Pokémon projects may see some interaction in the near future. I'm just mentioning it before the issue comes up. 90.211.130.229 (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see that there'd be a problem with that - it's only a Japanese set name after all. ;-) Cipher (Talk) 21:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shining darkness redirect 

message: I have tagged this page for deletion for the reasons noted on its articles for deletion page: please read and consider, this needs deleting. Cheers, Cipher (Talk) 22:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regular Contributors (Please Read) 

message: Do you guys think there should be a Base Set 2 section after Jungle Expansion? This came next, and since it has its own insignia, it might be a good idea. JayyTeaa (talk) 21:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Base Set 2? 

message: I was given a box of cards and have been trying to catalog them, however I have found there were "reprints" of some cards in "trainer kits" with different set symbols.  The official website has no listing however I did find this pdf file: 
http://www.southernmarylandpokemon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Pokemon_Set_Symbols.pdf
which seems to have ALL the symbols, does anyone have any additional knowledge to add to these sets?
Countryranger83 (talk) 12:56, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The link's dead. Supernerd11  Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 02:32, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trainer Kits 

message: McDonalds and other weird sets like that arent even mentioned.
81.109.222.151 (talk) 20:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  McDonalds and other weird sets like that arent even mentioned. 

message: Hello, wikipedians. I, being a pokefan, am dissapointed to find that the list doesn't include actual images of the set symbols, but only vague descriptions. I'd add images to it myself, but I don't know how to upload images or do any technical stuff. Anyone in favor of uploading little thumbnails or icons of the set symbols, preferably near the set name? Thanks, --Jacob.husted (talk) 22:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Set Symbols 

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message: Need to add the above listed card sets to the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.107.25 (talk) 06:56, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Best of Game and Wizards Black Star Promo card sets 

message: In the Spanish version I created an unified table, inspired in the tables present in this version and also the one found in Bulbapedia. Therefore, I suggest to add the table I created into this version, leaving the bottom part to add details about the expansions without tables. --Amitie 10g (talk) 16:40, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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message: Hello there, just wondering. So, in this article, the lists for Red/Blue thru Diamond/Pearl are not in tables, whereas Black/White and beyond are in tables. So, should someone fix this, or is it intended? Thanks! 23.28.31.25 (talk) 22:30, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables in this article? 

message: Hi, a question about Shining Fates. In the Sun/Moon section, it lists Shining Legends, a shiny set, in the "extra sets" area. In the Sword/Shield section, it's the fifth expansion to the main series, yet is a shiny set. Is it really, because I thought it was Battle Styles. I might be wrong, so someone please tel me before I make any edits. Thanks! 23.28.31.25 (talk) 13:50, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shining Fates 

message: So, we got an ad warning on the page. Do you think we could try to add some more details to set descriptions to give a more solid viewpoint about a set? Fireball27141 (talk) 19:02, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertisement? We might need to fix this...