Talk:James Forrestal

message: I had understood that Forrestal's depression was related to the newly formed USAF claiming that because of its strategic bombers that the Navy should be reduced or eliminated much like proponents of air to air missiles said that machine guns on aircraft were no longer necessary.  I thought that a vote was taken in congress and by only one vote was the Navy kept as a major part of the armed forces.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.11.176.78 (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  USN v. USAF 

message: Why is there any reference to conspiracy theories? 
WP already offers objective evidence that Forrestal was personally subjected to discrete campaigns of harassment: The article evidences "outright fabrication" against him- and an opinion from US ambassador to Israel James G. McDonald  that "attacks" [plural] on Forrestal were "unjustifiable", "persistent and venomous" and "among the ugliest example... of politicians...[designing] to destroy public servants". 
This article offers no theories which allege any conspiracy.
Objectively it better serves the spirit of all WP -and of true "public service" to investigate the nature of Ambassador McDonald's allegations. OTOH nebulous, prejudicial terms regarding Forrestal's response to this political intrigue around him serve only to continue a hostility against, and ridicule of this powerful + intelligent, yet principled person. 
Which interests pursue this slander after 60 years?... Hilarleo Hey,L.E.O. 08:31, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Investigate?  Wrong Web site.  See WP:NOR.  And of course we have no reason to object to someone else investigating; many people like to do that.  Jim.henderson (talk) 00:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: Lets play a game. It's called "Ockham's Razor vs. The Lunatic Fringe on Wikipedia"
Established, undeniable facts: a famous public servant and military man undergoes vast stress, strain and media harassment while working 18-hour days in a highly controversial public job, culminating in an embarrassing public dismissal from the position that has defined his entire existence for the last 2 years. He immediately falls into a "strange daze", is diagnosed with acute stress-induced reactive depression and is hospitalized in the locked psychiatric ward of one of the nation's top military hospitals under the care of a team of psychiatrists. At some point during his treatment for acute depression in the locked psychiatric ward of this famous military hospital, he ends up dead, having plummeted from the window of his 16th story room in his bathrobe.
Now that we've got the facts out of the way, pick which one of these two follow up options represents Ockham's Razor and which represents some combination of the Wikipedia Zionist/UFO/Communist/Majestic 12 lunatic fringe that needs to be driven off this project with flamethrowers and roach spray:
Option 1: The aforementioned man, like many sufferers of severe depression who require hospitalization in a locked ward and constant supervision for their own safety, committed suicide by the means available (an unlocked window in a tall building) when the opportunity (a temporary lack of constant supervision) presented itself. The various evidentiary details surrounding this act should be reviewed carefully, but cannot be considered prima facie evidence of conspiracy, murder or other foul play so long as more reasonable explanations for their presence also exist.
Option 2: The Israelis (potentially working on behalf of Majestic 12) infiltrated a locked psych ward in the nation's biggest military hospital and murdered the aforementioned man to shut him up, because he knew too much about the international Jewish/UFO conspiracy. They then bribed/mind-erased hundreds of Congressmen, Senators, psychiatrists and naval officers using their Jew golds/alien mind-erasers, but left obvious forensic evidence for later-day investigators to find, knowing that they would be ignored and mocked as fringe lunatics by the Jew/alien mind slaves who feed America their truth. This option is equally as likely as the option he committed suicide, and should be presented that way in the article; disagreement by citing WP:UNDUE is prima facie evidence that the objector is a Jew-alien mind slave and should be treated thusly. Court Appointed Shrub (talk) 04:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I had a good laugh with Option 2! Folk need to be reminded that Wikipedia deals in facts and not "conspiracy theories". Great piece of writing! Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 09:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is exhaustively fringe 

message: Since Forrestal most likely committed suicide, is it right to put Defenestration category here? 5.1.21.254 (talk) 11:04, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: not so sure. Maybe he was under influence of substances that made him think he had turned into a Navy Dive bomber. --129.187.244.19 (talk) 05:57, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defenestration? 

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