Talk:Philomena

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==Deceptive texts in article
Philomena was NEVER canonized by any pope.  Permission to include a saint on local calendars is NOT canonization. She may have a popular cult among certain devoteees, but she has never been in the Roman Martyrology (which includes uncanonized saints) nor on the general Roman Calendar. These are the official documents of the Church identifying saints.  All other mentions of her amount to permission of pious devotions, not official authorization.  A real canonist needs to edit this entry.  By the way, these facts do not "prove" that there was no women in what is known as "Philomena's tomb," nor that she might have been a martyr.  This article needs to make these facts clear.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.51.38.41 (talk) 11:50, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: For Graham

message: He had a great devotion to Saint Philomena.
He built a shrine in her honour.
He relied on her intercession.
A number of miracles are attributed to her at Ars at the behest of Saint John Vianney
MacOfJesus (talk) 21:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Saint John Vianney, 1786-1859, (The Cure d'Ars)

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The consensus on this article seems to be in favor of the version I have up now.  Changes may be appropriate, but wholesale replacement is not — especially with copyrighted content (you may have permission to reproduce, but do you have permission to relicense as GFDL?), and ESPECIALLY not when there's a "list of vandals" section at the bottom.
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thread_title:  3RR blocks 

message: It came from here.-E. abu Filumena 05:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed copyrighted material from section about her removal from the liturgical calendar. 

message: "Why was Saint Philomena removed from the list of Saints in February of 1961 ?"
From memory:
Saint Philomena was removed from the list of Saints at that time, as indeed there was not clear evidence that she ever existed.
At the time  the Communist Party of Italy were expected to win a General Election in Italy and were using phrases such as The Church had invented Saint Philomena and Saint Christopher as there was no evidence that they ever existed.
Pope John XXIII removed them from the list of Saints.
However, evidence was produced that Saint Philomena existed and The Church viewed her resting place, so within the week she was formally replaced on the list of Saints.
Saint Christopher:
The Eastern Church produced the evidence of his existance and his execution under Decius and he was replaced on the list of Saints within the month.
The Communist Party lost the General Election in Italy at the time.
These events I am sure of and when I get the opportunity I will check the news items at The Vatican.
MacOfJesus (talk) 09:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Why was Saint Philomena removed?

message: I think that there are two different lists. In hindsight I should have been aware of this point.
MacOfJesus (talk) 13:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The official "list of saints" is the Roman Martyrology; for the Roman Rite, the "liturgical calendar of saints" is the Roman Catholic calendar of saints.  Lima (talk) 04:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

text: The Church has no official list of saints other than the Roman Martyrology; the Roman Rite on a worldwide level has no liturgical calendar of saints other than that indicated in Roman Catholic calendar of saints.  Any hermeneutic that goes outside what the Church has thus decided goes outside the Church.  The dogmatic declarations in Denzinger (all editions) agree.  Lima (talk) 04:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Saints / Liturgical Calendar list of Saints 

message: "...Pope Gregory XVI, on January 13, 1837, in a solemn decree based solely on power of her undeniable miracles, raised an unknown thirteen-year-old early martyr named Philomena to the altar of the Church, granting a Mass in her honor, and thereby giving official approval to public devotion to her. This liturgical honor constituted the only instance of a Proper Office being granted to a saint from the catacombs of whom nothing is known except her name and the bare fact that she was martyred for the Faith. “Filumena” was now officially St. Philomena, a canonized saint of the Catholic Church."
Quoted from the book, "It is Time to Meet St. Philomena", by Dr. Mark Miravalle, ISBN: 9781579183336, Page 6 -   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filumenae (talk • contribs) 22:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes in reference to the cannonization of Saint Philomena

message: "the body that had been found was of the fourth century, when the persecutions of Christians had ended."
This needs rephrasing. Diocletianic Persecution (303 - 311/313) is placed within the 4th century. Dimadick (talk) 13:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Diocletian Persecution

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thread_title:  EAR requests 

message: Would like to see more history info on the cult of St. Philomena over the centuries, and the impact of symbolism attached to her. (And I mean "cult" only in the RC sense!).OttawaAC (talk) 02:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Cult of St Philomena

message: I don't understand the purpose of tagging 'venerated' in the lede. St. Philomena is worthy of veneration by anyone in the Roman Catholic Church. Devotion at her shrine and by the Archconfraternity is documented in the lede and it would be redundant and limiting to clutter up the initial sentence with these qualifiers. Elizium23 (talk) 12:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just use the active voice and say who venerates her as a saint.  You can't say the Catholic Church does: only that certain Catholics do and have shrines and devotions in her honour.  In that she is not alone.  Esoglou (talk) 14:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: By whom?

message: There is a woman mentioned in the Tempus est Iocundum in "Codex Buranus, 179", with the same name. Given the age of things, is this the same woman ?
85.226.209.195 (talk) 12:08, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Codex Buranus ? 

message: The dates in this article variously used dmy and mdy formats, doubtless owing to the conflicts that seem at times to have arisen over editing. Given that there was no guidance at the head of the text, and that the birth and death dates in the infobox were in mdy format, I chose to standardize in that format, except where another format was given in a quotation. By all means, switch it around if it is felt I acted in error - but at least the article now has some added consistency! Harfarhs (talk) 16:11, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Format of dates