Talk:Final Fantasy VII/Archive 2

message: The USA edition has three disc, but i'm curious about Japan's fourth disc. Is it a rumor? if it's real, what's in it that isn't in the english one? Is there any differnce?
*The re-release of FFVII in Japan ("FFVII Internatinoal") has a fourth disc, that just includes info about characters, weapons, items, etc, as well as fmv and sketches of pre-release versions of FFVII. Nothing very exciting.--Undc23 04:16, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan's fourth disc 

message: If anyone is interested, there is a heated discussion about the symbolism and visual representation of safer sephiroth (one winged angel) on the -Safer Sephiroth- page that i would recommend reading and supplying your opinion on. i have found the arguement (cant spell*) very entertaining. Kind of a left turn in this discussion board but i thought u might like to know. -Tik
UPDATE: the discussion is no longer on the page, as it was merged with another page and was removed.Tik 13:18, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heated safer sephiroth discussion 

message: Should rumors of a Final Fantasy VII remake for the PS3 be mentioned in this article (this rumors are said to come from "credible" sources)? There is also a rumor that the technical demo is actually footage from the remake itself, although Sony has denied this.
*No, not for now, these are only rumors, started by fans, and as they said, don't expect anything out of this, it was just a tech demo. I'm not saying they never will, but that is nothing more than speculation for now. – DarkEvil 23:52, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
To be honost you are probably right, the game is probably gonna be made sooner or later, since SE interviewed that since they got such a good responce from the demo that they may LOOK into doing a remake, but sadly, so sadly, there is no announcement and should be considered rumor until SE comments further. Tik 20:36, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumors 

message: Red XIII article has a cute picture of Red's in-game appearance. It would be neat if the other character articles had in-game and preferrably combat character shots too.
Like the Red pic, I'd hope these were from game, not extracted from model viewer. Though, getting a good, and typical, pics of the characters is probably pretty difficult, but I hope they can be done.
And, please, Cloud should be either scratching his head or shrugging :) --Wwwwolf 10:47, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have CGs that are essentially high-res versions of the main characters' battle models (in various poses). They're official JPEGs that circulated through the Internet some time ago (I acquired them a while back). Are these the sort of thing you would like to somehow implement into the articles? -Reichu 01:09, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-game character shots 

message: Two interesting questions:
# Should it be JENOVA or Jenova? The full-capitalized name is only used in the Nibelheim room and the helmet, dialogue and combat helper refers to her consistently as "Jenova", so unless anyone has any objections, I think I'll one day try to make articles stick with the latter spelling.
# How about the nomenclature for the monsters with unusual punctuation? The names in the game read "Jenova•BIRTH", "Jenova•LIFE", "Jenova•DEATH", "Jenova•SYNTHESISA" (and B and C), "Bizarro•Sephiroth A" (B,C,D,E) and "Safer•Sephiroth".
The latter is particularly interesting, because it uses the centered dot / bullet / whatever and such. I'm not even sure it's supposed to be a centered dot, just weird punctuation. In many online sources, I've seen it
* getting replaced by a dash (eg. "Jenova-LIFE")
* getting replaced by an asterisk (eg. "Jenova*BIRTH")
* getting omitted and used space insted (eg. "Bizarro Sephiroth")
So, my humble and completely inconsistent and arbitrary proposition to increase consistency: Let's use dash for Jenova's forms (eg. "Jenova-LIFE") and space for Sephiroth's forms ("Bizarro Sephiroth"). I have no other rationale for the dash except for the fact that Jenova's second parts are capitalized, thus a dash seems more aesthetically pleasing. Or something like that. Of course, if we were to ignore Jenova's funky spelling in game, it'd make sense to use spaces there too (eg. "Jenova Synthesis") --Wwwwolf 12:48, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling, which we stuck on 

message: The locations map appears to be a scan from some completely uncredited source - fair piracy use or not, it would be very cool to know where it was taken from. Plus, it's got that nasty black streak through it where the binding is. So, um, what I'm proposing is that it should be replaced, preferrably with a version drawn for Wikipedia specifically. I have a hazy recollection of there being a partial map somewhere in an earlier version... --Wwwwolf 12:40, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a better map 

message: I don't think so. Does anyone have any proof of this statement? I am absolutely certain it is false as I saw commercials for Chrono Trigger predating FFVII. I'm removing the line until someone provides actual proof.
:It's not true. The first Square game to be advertised on North American television was Rad Racer, and there were also ads for Final Fantasy VI (it used to mentioned in the FF3 article, but was sliced out as it was kind of pointless trivia). I'm not aware of any Chrono Trigger commercials in the U.S., but, even so, there were quite a number of commercials for other games before FFVII. – Seancdaug 15:47, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't know Rad Racer was a Squaresoft game.  My mistake. DirectorStratton 16:29, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember there being one for Secret of Mana also, circa 1993. ~ Hibana 19:06, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Squaresoft game to be advertised on television in the US? 

message: There's now a small revert war - should I say a skirmish - going on - people don't seem to want this article listed in :Category:LGBT computer and video games.
Well, I wouldn't, either. But the category has games where LGBT themes are shown in small amount (which is undeniably true in FF7's case); Nobody is claiming FF7 is a homosexual sex game or anything. I mean, Super Mario Bros. 2 qualifies in the category because it had (in some translations of the manual) a transgender boss.
So, before this thing gets any more weight, I suggest leaving the category as it is for now and everyone to voice their concerns in Category talk:LGBT computer and video games. There are strong arguments that the category should be turned into a list with explanations added. I'm in favor of that; this revert war is a good indication of the necessity of that thing. --Wwwwolf 10:49, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGBT category 

message: I don't really like removing whole paragraphs of text, so I feel I have to justify it here. The "remake for PS2/PS3" rumour has been added before and discussed here, and it was decided that since a rumour is a rumour and not fact, it shouldn't be included here.
Also, one must remember that rumours can be made up about anything, and if Aeris resurrection/secret Weapon rumours are allowed here, then by example that permits a slew of speculation and fancruft. Someone42 11:14, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was just a repeat of what's on the Final Fantasy VII Technical Demo article anyway. ~ Hibana 14:45, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Agreed, the stuff is repeated on other articles. No reason to mention this stuff on the main article. --Wwwwolf 16:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumours 2 

message: In the first paragraph it says the backgrounds were prerendered. This suggests (to me at least) that they were drawn in 3D, which they don't appear to have been.--Undc23 10:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, they're "prerendered" in sense that they're not rendered realtime in 3D or constructed from 2D tiles. I agree the wording is a bit misleading, but what would be a better wording? "static hand-drawn 2D backgrounds"? Suggestions, anyone? --Wwwwolf 11:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, the term "prerendered" was what was used at the time of the game's release. I'm not convinced it implies 2D or 3D one way or the other, but I'd suggest "prerendered, two-dimensional backgrounds," personally. – Seancdaug 16:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Prerendered background" is pretty standard video game notation. Most video game nerds would understand it immediately, I imagine. "Prerendered" implies "generated in CG beforehand, as opposed to being generated by the in-game engine" (basically paraphrasing what was said already). I don't think a non-CG (including digital paint) background would be called "prerendered", although I might be wrong. -Reichu 01:04, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

text: "Prerendered" is a pretty standard term for the use of 3D imagery that was rendered during production and not in real-time on your system. I fail to see the confusion. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 20:48, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Most prerendered imagery happens to be 3D, but that's incidental. As soon as 3D rendering technology became viable and available to developers, it's natural that they, as an entire industry, would shift to it. After all, they'd been working in 2D since the beginning. There was little demand or impetus to create prerendered 2D backgrounds, but I think they do exist. I believe Legend of Mana and SaGa Frontier 2 are both examples of 2D prerendering. I see this being similar to the situation whereby there are many people who have the mistaken impression that "FMV" refers strictly to CGI animation, when it is in fact any form of video that is recorded and played as a movie file, whether it's CG, hand-drawn animation, photography, etc. Druff 04:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:   Prerendered backgrounds 

message: have any of you seen the new japanese animated movie about final fantasy 7 called advent children. first of all the graphics are amizing (<-- bad spelling) they are so life like in some scenes that it's almost freaky. For those of you out there who love anime or just love a little action in a movie once in awhile, i would really recoment that you watch this.
I am not certain when the dvd is going to come out but you should check the offical website at 
 http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dvd/ff7ac/
there are also trailers there
:Firstly see here: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children; Secondly, Don't use talk pages as a chatroom or bulletin board. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 22:33, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  advent children 

message: I've added the katakana versions of most names, as y'can see. Since these are a pretty direct indication of the names pronunciations (once one understands how foreign sounds are approximated in Japanese syllabery, and all that), I've also taken the liberty of adding pronunciation guidelines to the more ambiguous or "less obvious" (to the average English-speaker) names, like Cait Sith, Tseng, Reno, and Lucrecia, in IPA. If anyone has issue with any of them, please bring it up here before changing any and I'll attempt to explain the logic involved first... -Reichu 15:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Pronunciation 

message: Okay, someone added a section about FF7 SNES prototype. Screenshots of which can apparently be found at .
The thing is, I don't believe this thing ever existed, even if there are "conceptual" screenshots. The conceptual things look just like rip-offs of other SNES FF games. I seriously don't think Square honestly wanted to work on any new SNES FF games in mid-1990s - SNES was already really hot when FF6 came out and new consoles were coming soon afterwards. Furthermore these screenshots look like magazine scans. It is not entirely unheard of that game mags would knock together "what the next game in the series might look like" kind of things by mashing up graphics from previous games.
And I also question the source. Wasn't Warmech already thrilling us with the highly debated news about FF6's PC port? (See Talk:Final Fantasy VI)
Plus, if it were really real, wouldn't such things get a little bit more publicity than this? As in a press release from Square, or something else a bit more documented?
So, due to the fact that the whole thing is questionable, I'd prefer it that people would discuss this over here before adding such things to the article. --Wwwwolf 12:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And furthermore, har, at the end of the referenced page: "The Super Famicom Conceptual Screen Shots were made by the magazine that displayed them, not by Square." So I'm ready to call this fancruft (from a game magazine staff, but still fancruft). --Wwwwolf 12:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  FF7 SNES Prototype 

message: On both the Final Fantasy VII page and the Aerith Gainsborough page, it is stated that the character's name was "incorrectly translated" as Aeris Gainsborough and that the correct translation is 'Aerith Gainsbourg' or at least 'Aerith Gainsborough.'  Aeris doesn't have a page; typing Aeris into the Wikipedia search bar leads to a choice between an Aeris Airline (a French discount airline that operated between 1990 and 2003) article and the Aerith Gainsborough article.  
The 'su' at the end of Earisu (a direct romanization) can be translated as an 's' sound or 'th' sound.  A translation of 'su' to 's,' in and of itself, is one of two completely correct translations.  
It is true that official romanizations straight from the Japanese company (like the Japanese character manual) have her written as 'Aerith.'  In Kingdom Hearts, her name is Aerith (although there is some debate among fans about whether the girl from Final Fantasy VII is the same girl in Kingdom Hearts).  However, I do not know that it is fully accurate to say that Aeris is 'incorrect.'  Earisu could go either way.
Perhaps English translations of actual Final Fantasy VII sequels will shed some light on this subject.
Sadie 09:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as wikipedia is concerned, consensous is that the most recent translation is 'correct'. As for if the KH's Aerith if different from FFVII's Aeris. As far as I am aware, that's completely unfounded. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 11:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They usually say that they're the same only in name and appearance only. As far as we know, the Kingdom Hearts Aeris didn't fight with AVALANCHE and die at the hands of Sephiroth, so she isn't Final Fantasy VII' Aeris...or so goes the argument. Hairouna 04:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read the back stories behind the characters in Kingdom Hearts II, it says that Aeris came from Hollow Bastion.  Also from the same world is Leon (Squall from FFVIII), so according to KH2 we can safely assume she didn't.Azhain 16:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Aeris Gainsborough actually 'incorrect'?   

message: hey there,
I've noticed that no where, in any of the articles about this game, give reference to a game world name.  I've heard that it was supposed to be "Gaia."  I know FF uses the name Gaia alot in its other games, but is there anything that can back this one up? I've found this article [] from IGN that reviews Advent Children and it refers to Gaia at the bottom of the first page.  Are there any other significant sources, like magazine scans, that refer to the Planet as "Gaia"?  Spencer 06:43, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone once showed me on the back of the Advent Children DVD case it mentions Gaia, but the game only refers to it as the Planet (capitalized). ~ Hibana 18:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gameworld Name 

message: Someone should add Last Order: FF7 to the Sequel/Prequel section. Wiki for more info. 128.6.175.96 20:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It already is. See Compilation of Final Fantasy VII. Eluchil 09:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FF7 Prequel 

message: The recent edit making this article conform to WP:CVG replaced an informative, visible logo with 4 tiny versions of the same logo in the same place  each surrounded by its own dressing; ugly and barely legible.  If the style guidelines of a broad project trump a limited scope project like [[WP:PJFF] that can make decisions more suited to its limited number of articles, what is the point of smaller projects?
I'm bold.  But of course, being an anon, my work will quickly be reverted.  I'll ask then at least for the reverted to choose only one box art to put at the top, and to change all other FF articles to maintain consistency...  or not        69.253.172.108 20:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They don't. Spencer 21:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo vs Box Art again