Talk:Child abandonment

message: I think we need to make a distinction here with the increasingly-common practice of societal encouragement of new mothers to "abandon" their infants at hospitals, firehouses, etc., instead of throwing them into dumpsters and trash cans.  -- Zoe
Agreed.
nooooooooooooooo
removing bizarre sentence in this context ( "It is hoped she will be able and willing to resume taking care of him.")
:Is it bizarre because she should obviously not be allowed to do so, or because you can not imagine that she would change her mind, or because the prison term has obviously taught her to be able and willing again? - Patrick 17:22 Jan 14, 2003 (UTC)
I'm not so sure that this sentence is correct: "Today, abandonment of a child is considered to be a serious crime in many jurisdictions, because the result is that the child and the other parent, if any, often end up on welfare. "  COuldn't this be considered mala in se? I'm going to edit it as such. Vedek Wren 18:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, you clearly need to get informed about the complex U.S. child support enforcement system, which is specifically and expressly driven by the need to prevent absent parents from offloading their parental responsibilities onto the government.  The federal Office of Child Support Enforcement has a handbook online that sort of explains the system. .  Also try searching Google for AFDC and TANF.  The major objective of turning AFDC into TANF in 1996 was to reduce the overall welfare caseload, and as part of that, Congress mandated that the states improve interstate child support enforcement. If the custodial spouse and children go on welfare as a result of nonpayment of child support, the custodial spouse is required to assign her right to child support to the government.  Then the government goes after the noncustodial spouse to make that person pay for the cost of supporting their kids and ex-spouse on welfare.  Every state today has a "Child Support Enforcement" or "Child Support Recovery" office which chases after child support deadbeats.  See, for example, the Utah Office of Recovery Services.  The FBI also investigates the worst cases under the federal Child Support Recovery Act of 1992.  --Coolcaesar 18:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I almost forgot to mention the most burdensome part of the 1996 law.  All employers in the United States are required to report all new hires to their state's new hire reporting system so that their Social Security numbers can be checked against national lists of deadbeat parents.  Search Google for "new hire reporting" and you'll see how every state has a New Hire Reporting site that specifically references child support enforcement.  --Coolcaesar 18:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: If the legal guardian leave a child at the other guardians for over a week without any contact what can the other guardian do?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.57.108.39 (talk) 20:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  abandament 

message: I removed this section for two reasons.  One, it is unsourced.  This does not alone warrant removal, but it does raise the question as to whether or not it provides any value to the article.  Two, it doesn't make a lot of sense.  The argument against child abandonment is that children should be raised in families rather than a foster care system.  The argument for it is that there'd be no birth-based social distinctions.  Both assume that it is possible to either force all people to never abandon a child or force all people to always abandon a child.  Neither is possible so I don't know why it would even be suggested.  Since the statements are unsourced, impossible, of questionable application (and logic alone forces one to wonder who seriously considers abandoning all children to a foster system and who seriously thinks a problem can be solved simply by restating the problem), I feel there's no reason to retain the section.  If more realistic and moderate arguments for and against the practice (such as whether or not child abandonment should or should not be considered a crime and to what extent) and these arguments can be sourced, it should return. - 67.187.245.98 (talk) 18:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common arguments against and for child abandonment 

message: If giving examples of historical abandonment to avoid being killed, Moses would be up there, wouldn't he?  Mulp (talk) 22:52, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moses 

message: Would this be better off split into it's own article? Right now it's taking up the bulk of the article, and that doesn't seem right.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.212.135.81 (talk) 03:28, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Child Abandonment in Fiction 

message: I propose that the article Baby dumping be merged into this article, as the subject and possible causes are already covered here, much of the material being duplicated.  Baby dumping would be left as a redirect to this article. Arjayay (talk) 08:01, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal

message: Currently the lead sentence says
:Child abandonment is the practice of relinquishing interests and claims over one's offspring with the intent of never again resuming or reasserting them.
This statement includes, but surely does not intend to include, giving a child up for adoption legally. What we need here is an accurate definition that is sourced, possibly paraphrased from a law in some jurisdiction but in a way that keeps it valid in other jurisdictions too. Meanwhile, I'm going to insert "in an extralegal way" into the lead sentence. Duoduoduo (talk) 15:57, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead sentence is misleading/wrong 

message: "Almost all children without parental care in the United States were in orphanages or foster arrangements until President Theodore Roosevelt declared the nuclear family was best able to serve as primary caretaker for the abandoned and orphaned"
Theodore Roosevelt died in 1919, long before the term nuclear family was in use. This quote needs to be removed from the article. It is factually wrong. Harold Darling (talk) 21:28, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  False and misleading quote attributed to Theodore Roosevelt  

message: I have a proposal for a new subsection of the article that I think would add value to the page.  The subsection would discuss the policy aspect of child abandonment. First, it would delve into the various aspects of child abandonment laws in the U.S., such as what technically constitutes child abandonment and how the law varies state to state and globally.  Next, the subsection would include how certain domestic and international policies affect rates of child abandonment nationwide.  For example, how China's One Child Policy affected rates of child abandonment in China over the past few decades.  Another example is how American involvement in the Vietnam War resulted in the abandonment of thousands of Vietnamese-American babies by Vietnamese mothers that were unable to care for children in the war-torn country.  Lastly, in Romania, Nicolae Ceausescu's Decree 770, limiting rights to contraception and abortion in the late 1960s for the sake of developing a robust Romanian population, resulted in tens of thousands of babies being abandoned in maternity wards across the country. Nsjohnson28 (talk) 20:50, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Subsection: Child Abandonment Policy 

message: Nsjohnson28 (talk) 21:04, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources on Child Abandonment Policy 

message: For  and anyone else interested: At the time of reading, the biggest issue I could identify with this page was the essentially complete lack of statistics for child abandonment. WHO and UNICEF, probably the biggest and most related organisations, don't seem to actually report on child abandonment in their statistics reports, and my impression from these sources and a few other papers is that abandonment lies on a sliding scale of child neglect, and abandonment is difficult to measure since it relies on an assumption of intent as well as behavior; secret child abandonment is apparently difficult to distinguish because the perpetrator might not be a mother:     The same author has seemed to publish a paper, but I can't access it: [1]
The best information I could find about this was in this paper, a review over 10 countries including the US and the UK, but it has very limited statistics:   For Russia there is one source I have that points to 2%... it's possible it is recorded as part of the government there, I'm not really sure if that source is reliable enough anyway. 
Based on this, I think I will mention a lack of data on the topic for these reasons as cited, and I'm surprised there is no mention distinguishing "secret child abandonment" versus "open" or "public" child abandonment, so I might add mention of that too. 
[1] Browne, Kevin, Shihning Chou, and Kate Whitfield. "Child abandonment and its prevention in Europe." (2012). Darcyisverycute (talk) 23:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of statistics