Talk:Military history of Puerto Rico/Archive 1

message: Why are all the pictures on the right?  Don't you think the page would look better if they were more scattered? ~
Taylorr 13:54, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Could we get some kind of source/documentation/link for the appelation "sub-nation"? I'm not doubting its validity, but I think that might be a good thing to have. Thanks! ~ Dpr 07:27, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub-nation

message: In general all military history is controversial as wars only happen when there is conflict.  Therefore having a section on controversial issues doesn't make sense, especially when it is apparently only about recent events, and in one case about a research project with only peripheral military associations.
On the other hand, the rest of the article doesn't seem to be particularly neutral either, as there seems little hint of controversy, and rather a lot of chest beating.
This addition has already been reverted once (with no reason given, not that any reason was given for its addition or un-reversion either), but my feeling is that at least some of it is salvageable, if  the points are integrated into the main timeline, and written without favouring one side or the other.
I'm not sure that the Coqui material belongs here at all, athough there is probably a case for an article about Coqui, but that needs to be written by someone who understands the science; I don't know a lot about the project and the materials used, but I can tell that the science is garbled in the way one would expect of a popular newspaper.  It would need to be written from a more neutral point of view.  This particular passage was also added to the Arecibo Observatory article, where it was largely off topic and justified no more space than, say, SETI@Home (which itself is probably over-covered).
Especially for controversial material (and anything that gets immediately reverted has to be considered controversial) it is important to quote sources.  In particular opinions expressed should never be those of the writer, but should be attributable to credible sources.  In trying to reduce the Arecibo Coqui item to reasonable size, I actually had some difficulty sourcing the negative side as the only material I could find came from anti-military pressure groups, and therefore likely to be seen as having less weight that academic papers or mainstream news media.
The contributor of this section is using a dynamic IP address, which means that my attempt to contact them after I noticed the first reversion probably hasn't reached them.  It also means that their credibility will be in doubt so they will have more trouble than someone logged in in arguing a case to not have their material reverted on sight.  My original advice to the contributor can be found at User talk:71.208.24.76.
--David Woolley 17:28, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues of Particular Concern - POV 

message: The article is sadly not one of the best Featured articles out there, and a prime subject for WP:FARC. I'm going to try to improve this article out some in the next few days. Something that could be done is by expanding the lead as it is currently too short. Also needs a copyedit. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 06:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article? 

message: History my friends, is not a past event as many of you out there think; history is the interpretation of that event.  That is, an event happens and nobody knows about it, that then is not history; it becomes history when somebody writes about it or speaks about it.  It is a big misunderstanding to think of history as an event in the past.  History is an academic discipline that one gets to study with its sets of rules and methods for doing it; methodology is called.
Now, there is no previous [military history] before Columbus times by the simple reason that nobody has ever written about it, or has documented it in any other mean whatsoever.
Of course there had to be some fighting between clans or tribes; somebody knows about them? The answer is no, there is no history to it; that it was an assumed past event, certainly; but no one has said nothing about it.
The contributor has a Ph.D in history, the discipline, for some years now. Now that is history, I'm telling you about it. Oh, and by the way; it is no interpretation, is a fact.
--In terrorem fidei defenso 06:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some definitions 

message: I'm confused about accents throughout the Puerto Rican articles:  do you all have a custom of *not* using the accents in names, as per Spanish?  For example, Hector Andres Negroni (Andrés).  Throughout the Venezuelan articles, we've put redirects to the correct names, with accents.  Maybe you all have a different custom?  Sandy 21:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It depdens, if the article was written by Tony it probably does not have accents and diacritics. I, for one, place accents on Spanish names. The Puerto Rican group is divided in this regard. Joelito (talk) 22:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, if the group is divided, I'll not change whatever is there. I added an accent to a Garcia somewhere:  I'll go take it out. Sandy 22:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You may leave it. It will not be reverted. There is no harm in leaving the accent. Joelito (talk) 22:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Too late :-)  Sandy 22:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Proper names must be written in their language. And that includes not translating names and including accents. RAMPG 02:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Accents

message: An article this size needs tons of citations. This article has none. The lead is also too short for FA. There are also several other problems that I will identify at WP:FARC, which is where I'm taking the article.UberCryxic 02:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree with you. As it is now, this article is far away from FA status. I went through the article and gave it a detailes review in Wikipedia:Featured article review/Military history of Puerto Rico.--Yannismarou 08:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: There is information here that has not been verified but that forms part of the traditional folklore. Diego Salcedo's drawwining is a myth there is no evidence of one Diego Salcedo ever living in puerto rico and the only diego salcedo in the americas lived in the dominican republic and died of old age. Please verify this facts with Francisco Scarano's History of Puerto Rico the standard textbook used in the University of Puerto rico and the smaller version used by the Department of Education. 64.213.114.204 (talk) 19:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is about verifiability not the "truth", accounts of this event are widespread in books and other reliable sources, Francisco's version was written from his point of view and he didn't include it based on his own criteria, however the event is notable enought to warrant its inclusion in this and other historical articles. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Heads up

message: Mihiel Gilormini was featured as a "Did you know." Is he linked to this page? --57.68.138.132 14:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question/Link

message: In the Spanish-American war section, the article links to William H. Stewart (b 1920; 10th Surgeon General of US) instead of William H. Seward (Sec. of State under Lincoln, Johnson, et. al.). A simple (and kind of funny) mistake. 2601:A:5400:5B00:F8A6:E6A3:199:67A2 (talk) 18:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error 

message: A great history of Puertorricans in various wars. I see two prominent names missing. These are Edgardo Vasquez-Bruno, who served in the Rhodesian War on one of the Rhodesian Light Infantry's elite Fire Forces. He was later an Army Reserve Major. Also missing is Nelson Fishbach, who served as a paratrooper in the US Army's 509th Airborne Bde in Italy before leaving the US Army to enlist in the South African Special Forces. Corporal Fishbach served in the famous 32 Battalion in Angola as a Special Forces "Recce". Former Sergeant Major Piet Nortje mentions Fishbach as the battalion's "only Puerto Rican" on page 57 of his book: "32 Battalion, the inside story of South Africa's Elite Fighting Unit". Comment on the First World War, the French Foreign Legion lists having had four Puertorricans who served in its ranks in the First World War. And as regards the Hernandez brothers, according to a musical military historian, Miguel Hernandez of New York, Rafael Hernandez and his brother were recruited by James Reese Europe, bandmaster of the Harlem Hellfighters Band, specifically to add an Afro-Caribbean beat to the band's repertoire. Various members of the band went on to play important roles in the Jazz world in New York and Paris after the war. I have to wonder of one of them was responsible for the use in the 'clave' in certain jazz arrangements.
03:28, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2015 

message: Some passages of this article use what I consider to be unreliable sources. As a featured article, we should work on these. 
Please note that I'm not exactly challenging the truthfulness of those passages. I just believe such an important article deserves better sources.
As a quick list, I point
# Felix Arenas Gaspar
#: A Cached version of a Geocites page.. Geocites is (was?) a page hosting service, and anybody could post anything there.
#::Here is a ref.: "Historia secreta de Annual. Madrid: Ediciones Temas de Hoy". Colección: Historia, por Pando Despierto, Juan (1999), 424 p. . (Spanish) Tony the Marine (talk)
#Latinos who fought in Spain
#:A Yahoo Groups is usually not that reliable.
#History of Utuado
#:If I understood it correctly, http://www.ortizal.com is a personal webpage (a personal project). A self-published source.
#::The Ny Latino Journal is a mag and can be used as a source: Puerto Rico a October Revolution Tony the Marine (talk)
#"DON JUAN DE HARO Y LOS HOLANDESES"
#:It's a personal blog hosted at zoomblog.com. Actually, it used to be. The link is rotten now.
#::Here is another ef.: http://www.mcnbiografias.com/app-bio/do/show?key=haro-juan-de-conquistador Haro, Juan de [administrador colonial español] (ca. 1550-1631). Tony the Marine (talk)
#Folklore of Puerto Rico
#:Is about.com a reliable source? Isn't its contents user-submitted? 
#From zonai.com:
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#*  
#**Apart from being a rotten link, as far as I understand zonai.com is a web-hosting service, with the same problems as geocites.com .
#::Wrong, Endi is a website of the newspaper El Nuevo Dia (El Nuevo DIa, get it?) Tony the Marine (talk)
#María de las Mercedes Barbudo; Primera mujer independentista de Puerto Rico; CLARIDAD;  December 1994; page 19
#:This is a PDF file uploaded into what seems to be the author's personal webpage. Is it really just a self-published text? It says "Especial para En Rojo" at the beginning. What's El Rojo? A magazine? If it's so, the real reference could be used.
#::Again, Claridad is a newspaper. Tony the Marine (talk)
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#::I don't think so [Adjuntas en la Guerra Hispanoamericana] Tony the Marine (talk)
#:Again, members.tripod.com is a web hosting service where anyone can publish anything. Self-published source. 
# Foros
#: It's just a web forum. Anyone can publish anything there.
# 
#::Plenty of sources out there: Los Ulitmos de Filipinas. Tony the Marine (talk)
#:A rotten link from a page on web-hosting service fortunecity.com .
#joseosvaldo@freeyellow.com Félix Rigau Carrera
#:Yet another page on a web-hosting farm, freeyellow.com.
Besides that, some other references used in the article do not cover the sentence they tag at all. I had just tagged these references with  for review. It's possible that those came after incautious edits after the article reached Featured status. --damiens.rf 19:09, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: For the ones with rotten links, you can check http://wayback.archive.org and see if any archives come up. To my knowledge About.com is not user submitted. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  If the issues still exist, it's been two years since your comments and ten since the last featured article review. It's certainly due for one. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:07, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  References