Talk:Vassula Rydén

message: We have full paragraph on the works of one analyst to observes that the "spirit" writing " denotes a lack of freedom, a constraint, with a strong restraint of movement. " and then falsely leaves the impression that this is because Ryden is "fighting" the claimed spirit possession rather than the rather obvious interpretation that it is constrained because she is deliberately attempting to write in a way that is different from her natural writing style. - spiritual possession or deliberate fakery, which is most likely interpretation? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll repeat my comment from TRPOD's Talk page: at least part of the Lombal material is sourced to "The Vassula Engima", published by Trinitas. The other part is sourced to something called "I saw Vassula write: Scientific analysis of True Life in God" by Philippe Coron and offered by a publisher with only one book to its credit, which is classified as "spirit writings" . Going by the extracts given, calling Coron's book a "scientific analysis" is staggeringly misleading. Neither are a suitable source of independent analysis. - LuckyLouie (talk) 20:56, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: My web search came up with this  that looks like a legit publisher. I think the book on Ryden's writings may just have used an unconventional abbreviation? or is F.-X._de_Guilbert  a knock off press attempting to pass by having a close name? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:04, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

text: I dont see it listed in their catalog though. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:31, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the fxdeguibert.com catalog is loaded with religious writings and accounts of religious miracles, so it's likely the same publisher as claimed for Coron. I don't know why it's not listed. Anyhow, the book in question, with a preface by ardent supporter Michael O'Carroll and on the "recommended reading" list at VassulaRyden.com  isn't likely an objective source, so presenting M. G. Lombal as a disinterested scientific expert won't fly and listing his job credentials at the CEA as if they mean something is silly. - LuckyLouie (talk) 13:07, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually they do because if you read the book, on top of being a certified graphologist and disinterested scientist, M. G. Lombal was an atheist (I don't know if he still is).  It turns out that Parvis has also published the book which mentions M. G. Lombal's graphological analysis. Arkatakor (talk) 14:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

text: No we are not going to go back to your original version. You havent addressed the overall WP:UNDUE weight of the section nor why even without the publisher conflict of interest why we would consider as a reliable source one that promotes  "This handwriting appears to be forced therefore she must be possessed" rather than the entirely more reasonable, "This handwriting appears to be forced. She is struggling to make it look unlike her normal handwriting". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:30, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

text: Of course, the elephant in the room here is that graphology is considered pseudoscience. We cannot seriously consider Ryden's handwriting analysis by Lobel to be scientific. Binksternet (talk) 17:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

text: someone who looks at handwriting and comes back with an analysis that says  “suggest; suggests; suspects; supposedly; suspicion” is by FAR a more reliable source than one that comes back asserting "is being possessed by spirits" -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:55, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  handwriting analysis- undue weight to non standard interpretations 

message: I just cannot find how to edit the reference below to Cardinal Grech's review of Vassula's book which is an outdated link.  The working link to the review is:  Inside the Vatican Cardinal Grech review
Sasanack (talk) 16:47, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: . I changed the day from 13th to 13 February. I also put in a reflist-talk template so that the reference appears right where it is being discussed. It is no longer "below". Binksternet (talk) 19:47, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cardinal Grech's review of Vassula's 'Heaven is Real' book 

message: Catholic Church
On the basis of Nihil ObstatItalic text issued by Felix Toppo, S.J., D.D. Bishop of Jamshedpur, Censor Liborum (28 November 2005) and ImprimaturItalic text by Ramon C. Arguelles, D.D., STL Archbishop of Lima (28 November 2005), the Messages entitled True Life in God between the dates of September 20, 1986 and  Messages ended on April 30, 2003 have the approval of the Catholic Church. This allows reading and publication of the Messages together with distribution within the Catholic Church around the world. Later Messages post April 30 2003 until the end of 2020 also have received Nihil ObstatItalic text and ImprimaturItalic text from the same source ( Archbishop Felix Toppo and Archbishop Ramon C. Arguelles. Paweł Arabski (talk) 17:11, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: . First problem is verifiability: you have not supplied easily verified links to the writings of Toppo or Arguelles. Second problem is that Rome is in charge of this matter, not Lima or Jamshedpur. Binksternet (talk) 21:02, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2021