Talk:Balanced-arm lamp

message: I want to make a page with al kind of balancing systems for arm lamps like :
counter weight balanced arm lamps.
metal spring balanced arm lamps
rubber elastic balanced arm lamps
{Formerly unsigned contribution by Stef breukel (talk) 06:26, 04 April 2007
added by (Ping welcome) Steue (talk) 14:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I like the article and the great explanatory drawings. You need to ensure that if you made them yourself they are tagged as GDFL meaning you give up rights to them and they pass into the open source domain. Otherwise the images wil be deleted. Lumos3 10:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: This article is full of so much wonderful information but is one of the most poorly written and compiled articles on Wikipedia I have ever seen.  There is no unity of flow, the information is difficult to explain, some parts are too technical, some grammar is terrible, and the diagrams are unclear.  Everything that could have gone wrong, did.  This looks like a page from a second-rate unmoderated website.  Sorry for the rant.  Now, who's with me?
:☭ Zippanova 06:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Hello Zippanova
Yes you[r] rant is right, we have to do something.
I am sh[ou]re technical people will understand the images.
The function of a[n]When ever the following word begins with a vowel (a, e, i, o, u), the "a" gets an "n". arm lamp is simple to explain.
A[n] arm system to balance a lamp in a desired position.
There are a lot of technical methods to do this.
But This article does need some text to explain the working method.
I made this article not alone to explain the working of a balanced arm lamp, but about the mechanical technique in general.
I am Stef Breukel from the Netherlands, My language [is] [dD]utchAll languages begin with a capital letter..
I will try to find some English technical people that can help me with this text in this article.
I will make a start this week,
Thank you, Stef
:Some friendly corrections to improve your English.
:Steue (talk) 16:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Stef, I like the topic! I am happy to continue to comb through for spelling and English usage etc. If there are specific things I don't understand, I'll post questions for you here. Jlhughes 23:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Think you’re making excellent suggestions here Jlhughes, thanks for your efforts (and of course you Stef, for your original enthusiastic contributions on the topic). Concerning the en in item 3, that’s probably meant as and (in a NL→Eng way). --Van helsing 21:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy-edit help

message: ...for you, Stef:
# I would like to see a short discussion about the forces in balance before the article starts to discuss particular types of lamp. 
#There is a picture towards the end of the page showing how compression vs extension springs work which is very clear, and should be nearer the top, perhaps?
#I don't understand the "en" in  "Squeezing en friction rubber arm" Is it "or"?
--No "and" it is friction and Squeezing that keep this lamp balanced.
--This is one of the most common Italian design lamp.
--Stef
# Can you re-do the hierarchy? This is what I think it is, although I've left out a couple of types that I don't understand.
*lamps held in place with springs
**lamps with extension springs
***(various)
**lamps with compression springs
***(various)
**lamps with other springs
***(torsion & spiral)
*lamps held in place with friction
**(various)
*lamps held in place with counterweights
**(various)
*lamps held in place with mechanical coupling devices
**(hydraulic & pneumatic)
Can you correct this list as necessary (I've not considered the types of arms (parallelogram etc.) which I'm sure is important), and then organize the lamps by type of construction?
--yes go ahead , if you want you can do every thing you think is best for the article.
--I like your work improving the article, I am not very good in writing [enin] [E]nglish
--Stef
Jlhughes 20:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Think you’re making excellent suggestions here Jlhughes, thanks for your efforts (and of course you Stef, for your original enthusiastic contributions on the topic). Concerning the en in item 3, that’s probably meant as and (in a NL→Eng way). --Van helsing 21:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions or comments

message: There [are] a lot of things [I]"I" (the person, me) is always with a capital i. do not understand about the Wikipedia editing system
[way][why] is this editing space this small, 25 rows?
can [I] [more][make] this space bigger ?
Stef
:You can specify the size of the edit window in: my preferences, editing tab, editbox dimensions in rows and columns. --Van helsing 11:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing space

message: Hello Stef and others
I think I've found the right solution for a graphics-heavy, text-light page such as this. I've just dropped in collapsible tables which open out at a click for each type of lamp. This means you can take in the page quite easily at a glance, but look at all the pictures as you like.
Please check my coding for the tables, as I've never used them before, and carry on if you think it's a sensible approach.
JH(emendator) 12:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Terrible! At first glance, the article looks almost void of content. Some readers may not realise that content is hidden in hide/show tables (I didn't at first). It's also a hassle to have to actively click to display each table. It makes reading the article much more cumbersome than reading a wikipedia article should be or usually is. --Kvaks (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I very much agree that the collapsible tables made this troublesome article nearly-unreadable, and so per yours and Tabby's unchallenged suggestions I've removed them. Walkersam (talk) 19:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collapsible tables! 

message: The purpose of the balancing technique is very simple to explain to young people.
How to balance a lamp on a desired position.
This article is not just to show how the balancing technique works, but to show mechanical technique in general.
Please help me improving this article ?
Thank you ,
Stef  —Preceding unsigned comment added by World arm lamp (talk • contribs) 12:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  improving this article 

message: For later if there is more text to extent this page.
I hope this problem with the "Spiral spring controls a pantograph arm lamp.PNG" image is solved.
I made this image and donated it to wikipedia.
There is no copyright on this image.
List:
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[[Image:One Pressure spring one parallelogram.PNG
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Popular American lamp
pressure spring controls a  photographic arm.PNG
Popular American lamp
Image:Popular American lamp.PNG
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Spiral spring controls a pantograph arm
Image:Spiral spring controls a pantograph arm lamp.PNG
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Image:Stretch Pantographic parallel balance arm a light-weight-lamp and counter-weight.PNG
Image:Bending Pantographic parallel balance arm a light-weight-lamp and counter-weight.PNG
arm lamp.PNG
Stef   --World arm lamp (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of deleted images of other arm lamp systems  

message: A very thorough article... but
The long list of show/hides that have to be clicked just to read the page is a huge waste of the reader's time. I hope they get removed, and the images load without user intervention, as is done on 99.99% of webpages.
Tabby (talk) 12:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  show/hide 

message: :Image:Luxo L1 black 2006-08-02.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 13:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Luxo L1 black 2006-08-02.jpg

message: Apparently these images were uploaded for use on this page:
Image:Stretch Pantographic parallel balance arm a light-weight-lamp and counter-weight.PNG|:Image:Stretch Pantographic parallel balance arm a light-weight-lamp and counter-weight.PNG
Image:Bending Pantographic parallel balance arm a light-weight-lamp and counter-weight.PNG|:Image:Bending Pantographic parallel balance arm a light-weight-lamp and counter-weight.PNG
~ BigrTex 00:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: @ Jlhughes
Within/under e.g. the header "One tension spring": the headers should be (I call them) "active" headers.
Source code of such a header:
IS:
; Tension spring over wheels
The semicolon makes them:
* larger than mormal text and
* bold,
but they do not appear in the table of content.
SHOULD BE:
(On each side: one more "=" than the superior header), in this case 4 "="s:
==== Tension spring over wheels ====
Advantages:
* these headers appear in the table of content too and
* it is easier to edit, because one can edit a single chapter.
Ping welcome, Steue (talk) 08:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, by Steue (talk) 17:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The headers should be "active" headers 

message: Sash windows (slide up windows) and Drawing boards (they slide up and down too)  use counterweights for balancing.
But they do not have arm(s); and they do not use their counterweights to balance their arm(s). They simply also use one of these fundamental technologies.
Therefore I would not consider them to belong high within this article.
But it is OK to mention these common examples of use of counterweights, where counterweights are introduced.
Especially they do not belong in the list of "Other uses of balanced arms ".
This article is about "balanced arms", not about the balancing technologies in general.
Ping welcome, Steue (talk) 18:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sash window]]s and [[Drawing board]]s