Talk:From First to Last/Archive 1

message: Hmmmm I smell Viral marketing... Megapixie 09:00, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Viral marketing]]

message: Someone should change the picture to the Halloween one on their MySpace profile, seeing as how it's got Wes Borland instead of the other guy now I think it'd be more appropriate. I'd upload it, but I don't have an account.
Wes Borland isnt in the band, he just recorded the bass on their new album.. They have some girl filling in right now, and are looking for a permanent replacement for Jon. Reiver 03:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture change 

message: The following: 
"From First To Last is one of few emo bands that are actually considered real (not posers) and on the media's good side... for now [...]" 
...does not seem like something a credible encyclopedia would state.
I deleted the above text.  It's about as far from NPOV as you can get. 216.15.79.70 21:13, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuetrality? 

message: I think we should add him as a permanent member. He's said on the Black Light Burns MySpace (which he operates) that he'll definitely be working with them on their next album, and he's on tour with them again at the moment. Opinions? - Nova Prime 11:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wes Borland 

message: Please do not put links to the bands(Sonny, Matt..etc) MySpace. They reserve what right they have to their privacy. Thank you.
*Utter idiocy, it's a social networking site. I've just added their MySpace profiles to their individual pages anyway. - Nova Prime 08:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Band Members MySpace

message: Almost every edit from those without accounts is either useless or vandalism. It's not that it's super frequent, just extremely tedious to revert. I'm not going to request semi-protection, because I don't know how anyone else feels, but if anyone wants to: see Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy. Otherwise, voice your opinion here. - Nova Prime 08:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. -Myxomatosis 19:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good enough for me. - Nova Prime 16:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection? 

message: this article is good, please keep it that way. please nobody change FFTL's genre its good at "post-hardcore." - LemonxSmoothie
:It's hardly 'ggod' as articles go. Western Front (World War I) is a good article - this is a WP:Stub, and barely more than a collection of half-hearted, unverified facts! Get to it, troops! HawkerTyphoon 19:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  keep it 

message: Now there's no info on any of them. It's all gone.
They seem important enough to have their own pages. someone should put them back up.Dizzydark 19:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Sonny should have a page at least. It existed for a while, but was merged to this article for a reason I don't know. He is notable enough if people repeatedly try to make him an article. I'll re-do his page unless people find a reason why not to. -Lindsey8417 07:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I removed the articles, as none of the people are notable enough to have thjeir own article just yet - they are famous for the band, and nothing Else. If they leave this band, and move onto another equally popular one, that's grounds for seperate articles, but as it stands they aren't famous enough. Might I also add that we're writing an encyclopædia - a trivia section doesn't really fit.... Have a look at WP:MoS and see what it says about them. HawkerTyphoon 23:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who merged the band members pages? 

message: what about the songs? they kick ass
Okay so these are all off of their new album Heroine.
Afterbirth is about Sonny finding out he was adopted when he was 16.
Heroine is about Sonny calling to his mom...or something.
Waltz Moore is about Sonny's battle with bulimia.
Sonny is a strong little ninja  So dont give him shit.
Oh yeah, World War Me is NOT about bulimia.
Then explain the lyrics "we'll starve down to the bone, we're lookin' better bony, who needs figure anyways?" and "i'm on the road to self destruction, suffering because i gave up on myself and everyone?" - someone who knows what their talking about
its about the self damage people are willing to do to themselves to perfect themselves... you can only have one bulima song per album. dont u know the hxc rules???lol j.k. ...i think... *btw ur lyrics are wrong*--Savanah1017 02:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songs 

message: ITS NOT NUMETAL ITS POST-HARDCORE!! plain and simple. Its nothinging like numetal or any numetal bands. Does FFTL sound like Disturbed? or Slipknot? or mudvayne??? NO, ITS NOT NUMETAL!
Whoever keeps putting nu-metal as one of FFTL's genres should stop. Just because they incorporate more metallic sounds ino Heroine does not mean they are nu-metal. Post-hardcore already incorporates the fact that bands such as FFTL are influenced by punk, hardcore, metal, etc. Ender1490 14:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not nu-metal 

message: Where did whoever put that up get that information? I can't find anything about a Heroine B-Side anywhere on the internet. If someone can find some info on it, I'll put it back up. --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 20:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it's on their website, but Alternative Press had an article on FFTL in the 100 Bands of 2006 issue and it mentioned that the band co-wrote the song, Save Us, with fill in bassist Wes Borland. So far, it's unreleased, but AP did say it was a b-side to Heroine. Ender1490 04:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. Must have missed that in the article. Do you think it belongs there, though? We don't know anything about it being released, so should it be in the article? --<B>BoaDrummer</B> 02:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Save Us" - Heroine B-Side? 

message: im not like trying to get in a huge argument over this but, seems like there is only one person who thinks FFTL is nu-metal. nowhere that I've seen has mentioned anything about nu-metal, on both FFTL's Epitaph Records page and on their Purevolume page they are said as "post-hardcore, screamo, and punk" so if you have found some source like that that says FFTL is nu-metal, please provide it. Thanks - 70.119.6.138 21:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "post Hardcore" = "emo 2.0". Fun music, though. HawkerTyphoon 21:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Isn't 'post hardcore' just a euphemism for 'screamo' anyway? Regardless, the band is far from nu metal, no question. Nova Prime 19:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  nu metal? 

message: Why does Matt good not get his own page?
yeah good question.
because he's not important enough for one. moore really shouldn't have one eaither, at least not until their major-label deput.Emopunk 01:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matt Good 

message: Well, Sonny Moore's page got deleted, and it was supposed to be MERGED with this paged, it was for like a day, then deleted. His page didn't say it was going to be deleted, but merged with From First to Last, so I'm changing it back so he can have his section.
look. there is no reason for putting the entire article up on this page. this is a page for the band, not individual people. theres enough information on him in the article, more than anyone else has. so unless you can put up information about the history of everyone else in the band, then dont put all that pointless crap. Dizzydark 03:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  !! 

message: can someone add the sources for this. it'd be helpful and i'd like to know. thanks. Dizzydark 01:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Color Of Violence

message: somehow, i dont think any 14-year-old kid named zach dwight is drumming for FFTL. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.41.85.28 (talk) 01:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  zack dwight? 

message: This section needs a lot of work mainly due to POV bias and no sources. Acidskater 17:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tour Controversy 

message: that most of the people who go to this page are fucking morons. honestly, Nu-Metal? please. just leave it at "post-hardcore" or "american rock band" or something. my god. stupid people. genres aren't even important.
as for the whole "emocore" thing that's garbage and probably just some 13 year old with a metallica shirt who has nothing better to do then make fun of music he doesn't like.
grow up people. go vandalize HH or something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.78.202.2 (talk) 23:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm going to assume 

message: FFTL's isn't emocore dear friends -.-'
89.152.244.21 17:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emocore!? 

message: needs their own page! They shouldn't have been deleted in the first place. And someone deleted Sonny's page. WTF? He's not even in the bands anymore.Arson5000
:Each member is not notable enough to deserve their own page - all they've done is been in this band. And don't shout out 'but look at the other articles' - you have to prove notability per the guidelines, not per other articles. Hawker Typhoon 23:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EACH MEMBER 

message: About that 14 year old, yeah there is absolutely no way that would ever happen. I mean how many 14 year old drummers are ever that good? Another thing, if I hear one more rumor about Sonny quiting FFTL I will scream. It wasn't because he overdosed on drugs, it wasn't because he got married, and it wasn't because he wants to quit music forever. This happens all the time with other types of music.So why can't it happen with them? Just saying, though. i cant remember the last time ive seen my own eyes 19:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  rumors