Talk:Linkin Park/Archive 2

message: okay, let's make this reasonable. everyone who comes here, just add the gernre you think it's better to the list. JUST ADD, don't edit the main page and don't argument your choice yet. let's leave it open for a week now, then we vote this and end this talk at least till the next album, okay?
Alternative Rock - current
Nu Metal - current
Rapcore - current
Alternative Metal - current  män-et-arms 21:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No - a) It's unorthodox. b) They still play their old songs at concerts. c) If their not Nu-metal, as Bennington stated, then what are they? See WP:NOR --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   00:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: I believe that there is incorrect information shown.
The information shown here says that it the footage was shot for over the course of two days. Mike stated sometime during the show Mike that they were doing two shows in Dallas but the camera guys that were in the concert will be only filming just them and not the second show.
I thought I should post here before I did anything. Right now I don't have my copy so I could verify the exact time on the DVD he stated this but I'm pretty sure.
Anyone agree with me on this?--Justwisted 20:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The footage on the DVD is from both shows. These7enthprophet 05:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you confirm this?--Justwisted 04:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The footage is definitely shot from two different songs. I don't have documented proof, but when watching the DVD you can clearly see some "mistakes". Like Mike (Shinoda) standing in one palce during a song and a second later in a different one and then in the original one again. A clearer proof is Brad (Delson) using two different guitars during one song ("One Step Closer" I think), which indicates that the footage is indeed from two different shows. Also, the text on the album art state, quote:"Recorded live August 2nd 2003 at Reliant Stadium in Houston, TX and August 3rd 2003 at Texas Stadium in Irving, TX at the Summer Sanitarium Tour." -- P4cman 18:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we really need to confirm this. I think we either need to remove this info because there is a lot people saying "I think" and no correct citation if it really is true.--Justwisted 16:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live in Texas 

message: It seems this article is getting a lot of attention lately. This isn't good.
'Meteora, their sophomore follow-up, was also extremely successful, selling over 6 million copies in the United States. Also they have won a Grammy for rap/sung callobration with artist and now close friend Jay-Z for their single song Numb/Encore. This song is of their album Collision Course.
That was posted in the opening paragraph. While it is informative (If you can decipher it), it is excessive and looks like a kindergarten student wrote it. 
I move that this article be locked until this frenzy dies down and let someone have the chance (I'll volunteer) to clean it up a little bit. This article needs  citations like crazy. Thanks. --These7enthprophet 06:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: okay, the amount of edits going on now is insane. i strongly suggest we lock the article. FyreNWater 05:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lock It? 

message: Most of their fans don't wanna understand that this "third studio album" will be NEVER released. These are only rumors, and LP themselves continue to tell lies. Their activity is already over. --Chargin' Chuck 20:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And you got this idea where? They just finished the album with Rick Rubin, who must have been lying as well. Same as all the concert venues who have booked the band. Unless you have something relevent to say please don't post such things on the discussion page. --SayCheese 20:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, what the hell is this? Your idea, Chuck, is honestly one of the most retarded ideas ever. Apparently, if you are correct, then there's been a conspiracy going on worldwide concerning the new album. LP's been lying, Rick Rubin's been lying and all the venues have been lying to us? Don't think so. Hello2112 01:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Loosen up, guys. It was a joke, perhaps put in the wrong forum, but certainly well-timed as the band pushes the release date of the new album back to 2011. Roofi's Publicist 03:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The release date of the third album, now officially named "Minutes From Midnight", has been set to May 15th for the US and 14th for Europe and Australia. P4cman 18:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't forget about canada. we get it on the 14th too. god. Homoeroticlove 00:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghost album 

message: I added a chart with all confirmed tour dates so far. I'll keep updating as I get notice. Dragonlink2 23:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tour Dates 

message: Should they be added at the top of the article? Hello2112 22:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: >> Well, now that we've established that the two pics exist, are we posting them or not? Hello2112 00:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: We could put up the logo but the picture might not be able to stay because we don't know if it is from a press kit or not. When more publicity photos come out we can probably change the one that's there already. --SayCheese 23:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: So, where will the logo go? Next to the old one? Hello2112 00:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say keep the current logo and put the new one down in Recent Events, because 1) It wouldn't fit at the top since it's not very long and 2) There are probably more logos coming that would fit better up there. --SayCheese 01:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay. Hello2112 19:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New logo and band picture 

message: Are you all sure this is true, were was this confirmed?
: That information isn't even on the article anymore. Obviously it wasn't true or you'd be hearing about it everywhere. --SayCheese 23:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: new single further

message: I would sincerely know who continues to remove this ref. --Chargin' Chuck 21:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AMG reference 

message: did Linkin Park ever hear Pitchshifter's stuffs? 
--ArtMicael 14:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pitchshifter anyone? 

message: I have a high-res pic of the screenshot from the video:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9937/ptsofauthwu4.jpg
not sure if I should or how to replace it with the lower-res one? (Sizedude 23:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pts Of Athrty Picture 

message: I noticed that several of the images in this article do not met their fair use rationale. (See WP:Fair use). album covers cannot be used in stand alone galleries for decoration – they are only meant to be used on Wikipedia for critical commentary. The additional use album covers in article is also limited, as they are only to be used when words cannot describe the album. None of the  FA Status articles  for bands have album covers in them for that reason, see Talk:Pink Floyd#Album covers
Second, this article is rather poorly referenced. There are less than ten references in this 30+kb article, which is almost disheartening given there are 15kb articles, with more sources. See WP:Cite, WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:ATT, and Template:Cite web Thanks for your time, good luck. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   22:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the subject of cleaning up, the Song appearances in media section needs some work.  For example it mentions that Somewhere I Belong was featured in an All-Star game.  Which year?  Also, is it possible to get this list into chronological order? --Tempest115 18:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think someone already tackled that problem. I've cleaned up the lead and first section - we should all try to use the same type of citations for a sense of consistency. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   05:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean Up/Images

message: Okay, the Xero (rock band) article has been tagged for merging for about half a year. now, I think that we should do this: take out all of the Xero info and insert it into the main LP article, leaving the article as an article for just the demo tape.  Concerning, the concert, I don't know what to do with that. Hello2112 23:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: EDIT: Didn't notice that the concert was removed. Hello2112 23:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Xero merge

message: I cleaned up the discography page by removing the videography from it since there is already an article dedicated to that subject. Chouonsoku 05:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography Clean-Up

message: Is it really accurate to list Linkin Park as a Nu Metal band? I know that their first two albums had a Nu Metal sound to it, but the band stated that they do not want to be labeled as such. Also, Linkin Park have said that their third album, "Minutes to Midnight", is completely devoid of any Nu Metal sounds. It is difficult to catagorize Linkin Park's music, but there must be a more accurate label than "Nu Metal". Perhaps the intro to the article should point some of this out instead of simply referring to them as a Nu Metal band. Hmm.. If that affects the clarity of the article, then maybe not. But still, "Nu Metal" is too narrow of a term to define Linkin Park's sound.
Mathew Williams 21:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: WhatIveDone.org - Dedicated fansite to The New What I've Done Single..
Wondering why it is always removed...
This site is nonprofit and has NO advertisements...
: See WP:EL - Wikipedia's policy for external links. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   03:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WhatIveDone.org - Dedicated fansite to The New What I've Done Single.. 

message: I wanted to point out today is April 2nd and I just downloaded "What I've Done" from iTunes.  It is noted in the article as citation needed, but clearly is official.
Brosner 13:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Single "What I've Done" 

message: IN the whole text there is no mention of the 2006 release 99Problems(with JayZ) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.162.146.234 (talk) 06:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Portions of the article have been temporarily removed, as we are cleaning it up. The JayZ portion will be re added later. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   08:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  99Problems 

message: I've added a hefty songlist guys, but I may have missed some out so you may want to have a quick look over it. Daveuk07 14:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added songlist 

message: This article should contain the proper definition of the meaning of the name "Linkin Park".
Can anyone please put it in? TathD 19:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Early Years section, mainly the second paragraph. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   20:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning Of Name 

message: I notice that the link for Mr Hahn wasn't working as he is under Joe Hahn on this so I have updated it, I have just put John Hahn a.k.a Mr Hahn but as I am not a wiki user I dont know the correct format for listing someones alias so please could someone correct it if I am wrong. 212.1.144.23 17:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band member fix 

message: the user at 70.117.9.231 keeps blanking the page. it's been at least four times. can't we block them already? at least lock the page again. FyreNWater 07:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aggred, I reverted even more vandalism yesterday.  How do we go about getting this article locked?subliminalis 16:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the page should at least be semi-protected, as it was for the Minutes to Midnight article. --SayCheese 15:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MORE Vandalism 

message: Can Add more references to the article be taken off the To Do List? The article has 25 now. If not, how many more should there be and what sections really need them? --SayCheese 15:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It still needs more, there are some unreferenced sections. I'm slowly rewording the article in one of my sand boxes. It should be done in a few weeks :p Until then, you can add normal links to claims in the article. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   21:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To-Do List 

message: Linkin Park isn't a nu metal band any more. Would anyone mind if I changed the genre here to "rock"? Thanks. Elsebroke 16:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's fine as it is. --SayCheese 16:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure? Chester said there is almost no nu metal sound on Minutes to Midnight. I think it would be wise to refer to Linkin Park as just a rock band here. The genres are on the infobox; that sort of lets readers decide for themselves. Thanks. Elsebroke 16:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find an instance where the band claims they are no longer nu-netal and cite it, go for it.subliminalis 03:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if they are no longer Nu Metal they have historically been a Nu Metal band.  Wikipedia should cover historical categorisation, not just current --irrevenant [ talk ] 11:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: 15 according to RIAA --21:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Linkin Park is a nu metal band" 

message: Okay. You should just post them as follows: Nu Metal (Old Stuff)
                                            Alternative Rock (New Stuff)
I mean even on their Myspace they have themselves as Alternative/Rock.
Also, No way in hell are they Post-Grunge...thats a terrible Genre. If theirs any arguement against what i'm saying their Genre should be named as plz post. Anyway if there is an arguement i'll go straight to the LP forums and the LPU forums. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RiseAgainst01 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Labeling genres is almost as subjective as interpreting religious concepts. It's almost impossible for everyone to agree that a band is x, y, but definitely not z. MSN Music considers the band to be "Nu Metal, Metal, Pop, Rock, Alternative Pop/Rock", while All Music Guide files them under "Alternative Metal, Post-Grunge, and Rap-Metal". Assigning a band to a genre based on personal tastes is almost as bad as leaving it up to popular opinion. Additionally, there are no current GA/FA articles that divide genres into 'old' and 'new'; they just leave the 'previous' genres in the section.--  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   19:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: In Australia it seems a very different approach to marketing the album has been taken. A company called Amnesia appears to be working for Warner Music Australia to deliver 17 'Ciphers' to the fans. 'Ciphers' are appearing on line, radio, in TVC's and on things such as posters and T-Shirts. The 'Ciphers' take such forms as R1904.
More information can be found here: http://minutestomidnight.wordpress.com/ or the new Australian official site where the 'Ciphers' can be entered here: http://minutestomidnight.com.au/
To be updated as more information comes up.
AlmostEvolved 04:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minutes To Midnight Ciphers in Australia 

message: I did not find this reference when I looked —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.205.213.42 (talk) 02:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Reference #5, RockDetector.com --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   02:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shinoda did work with Depeche Mode??? 

message: Linkin Park are set to be the musical guests on Jimmy Kimmel Live on Friday, May 18th. The show airs that night on ABC at 12:05am Eastern.
Can someone who is not restricted verify and put it up —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.176.172.119 (talk) 02:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really that significant, since the band has already had several appearances on late night shows. Your previous comment was removed per the 'Wikipedia is not a Forum' rule. Rather trivial discussions that do not directly pertain to the article do not belong on discussion pages.--  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   02:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimmy Kimmel 

message: I think there is need to reform the article because things seem to be a little out of order/format. Can someone who knows, and has the time to do this please do it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blackraven36 (talk • contribs) 09:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Article was based on Megadeth's structure. Parts of it are currently under reworking. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   21:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reform Article 

message: The instrument used in this specific track is called a shakuhachi
--Amaraiel 15:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed reference to Instrument Used in Nobody's Listening (Track 10,''Meteora'')

message: Okay, somebody please rewrite this section in a reasonable way. Damn, even the tenses are wrong! And take out all of that stuff about "What I've Done" single, the section is about the album, not the singles. At most, say when it was released and how it did on charts.män-et-arms 22:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minutes to Midnight section 

message: Aside from completely rewriting Minutes to Midnight section and expanding the other "Bend History" sections, which are major works, I'd like to suggest some minor edits.
First, in the band members area, I think there should be some order on the names list. Alphabetical, or any other you might think about. 
Second, I think Brad doesn't really provide "Lead" guitars, 'cause mainly he is the only guitarrist (take into account I haven't heard the last album), so I think that leaving him only as "Guitar", or else putting Mike as Rhythm Guitar. It also works for Chester, he's not acctually "Lead" vocalist, he's a vocalist ALONG TO Mike, so make both simply "Vocals". 
Third, if Mark was the "Lead Vocalist" (or just Vocalist), there's no need to say he was the singer and that he was replaced by Chester. Just take those notes out.
Fourth, in the discography stuff, if this article is based on Megadeath's structure, I think that table should be removed, leaving only the names of the albums and the years of release.
Fifth, on the videography, I think that all the text should be removed and be placed on the videography article, since we have such article. Also, Live 8 wasn't acctually a Linkin Park release, rather they featured in such DVD. And I think that Breaking the Habbit DVD was ALSO a Limited Edition, at least limited to US, 'cause the only way for me to buy it here in Brazil is importing from US.
And at last, that info box at the bottom of the page has a problem with "Enth E ND" and "Frgt/10" links. Acctually, I don't think they're even singles. And please don't link all those "years in music". There's nothing really useful about LP out there.
thanks (Y) män-et-arms 14:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Edits 

message: Genres, as indicated in previous discussions DO NOT need to be cited. Unless there is a vast disagreement, there's no sense in changing it. Please search the previous discussions on this page (and in the archive) before changing them. Furthermore, if you disagree with a genre, please discuss it here first, where we can act like civil human beings.
Enfestid 01:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Genres (For the 90th Time)

message: i mean, besides the talk upon the new album and genre, every other talk here is damn old. time for archieving. who's with me? män-et-arms 21:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archieving? 

message: How would you cite something it says in the album booklet? In the second section where it states the information about how many ideas, songs, recordings, etc. It states all of that in the actual album if you read the booklet that comes with the album. --Μ79_Šp€çíá∫íš†
tell me about it
:See WP:CITET. It's usually just "(year), booklet name, publisher: page." --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   14:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citing info for new album