Talk:World revolution

message: The article states that "Arguably, the international situation in the years immediately following World War I was the closest the world ever came to such a revolution." However, Marx himself, speaking on behalf of the European Workingmen's Party, claimed that this took place during the American War Between the States, writing that "The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world." 
(http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm)
In this vein, I believe that the article might be improved by some mention of this prior incident which not only foreshadows these later revolutions, but may have given rise to them in the opinions of their founders, as well as giving precedent to the world-events and arguments ensuing. In having researched this issue, there can be little doubt that the Proletarian foundations are related in validating the revolutions-- not only regarding Marx's own claims, but also the clear events of the Emancipation Proclamation as an essential tactic in dissuading overseas military support, as well as Confderate-sympathy in general. In essence, there is strong arugment that this may have laid the foundation for later revolution, as well as strong sympathy for later socialist movements in Europe and elsewhere. BradAnderson (talk) 19:26, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Marx wrote a great deal about the US Civil War.[1] But understand Marx was a hired writer for the larger conspiracy, not the originator or founder of the World Revolution. As many writers have documented Marx was hired by the international bankers who were part of the League of the Just (or the masonic Illuminati) founded after the French Revolution. This is why the French presented the Statue of Liberty to the US, or Washington DC, after they took over all the states following the Civil War (of federal aggression). Their next move in the Americas was to unite all of north and south America as the Pan-American Union (1890). Indeed, what has taken place is the Freemasons have erected an empire as a secular replacement for the previous Holy Roman Empire. Since the French Revolution when the masonic led revolution arrested the Pope and seized the Papal States-HRE the Freemasons have been replacing the monarchies of the HRE with secular republics, and dictatorships, in the west and east. The Marxist world revolution ran by the Freemasons or Knights Templar is just another empire from Rome.(see"Tupper Saussy, Rulers of Evil)75.121.249.41 (talk) 11:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've always found it interesting that conspiracy theorist love to lionize the Confederate South 'defending their freedom' yet never utter a peep about slavery. 64.180.40.75 (talk) 21:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I stopped reading the second entry in this thread after a couple of sentences and the third also doesn't seem to be saying anything. The opening entry is very interesting though and certainly can make it into the mainspace of this article. Brad Anderson's issue could be combined with material from the Spring of Nations, the Paris Commune and the late nineteenth century Internationalist movements in a "Pre-communist Socialism" section. The current "Communist Movements" section could be reworked as "Communist States" (with apposition) and material for the full range of relevant material on 20th century socialism.  Another thread asks about this and while the Burgerkreig or the first phase of the Second Thirty Years War may have been the previous closest thing, I think the Arab Spring and the new wave of Socialism in Latin America need only be supplement the fall of one of the centres, EU, America, or China, or even Russia to be a full realization of what this article is about. Perhaps a little procrastination here can allow something more interesting to be written for a section on post Soviet developments. Lycurgus (talk) 01:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
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message: According to this article, this was supposed to be a 'common expression' at the time... But looking online, I cannot find any references to this saying anywhere else at all beyond this article. Can someone please add a source or point out where this expression was used? Chankljp (talk) 08:56, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Chankljp: this article in a dire need of sources and references... The quote you mentioned was added all the way back in 2005 by an IP: Special:Diff/19127788. Searching it online I found a 2019 book that blatantly copied this article's contents word-for-word. –Vipz (talk) 17:14, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  'The East is Red, and the West is Ready'