Talk:Martyrs of Córdoba

message: So there was a lot to be straightened out, seeing as that Orthodox Church of England list is quite POV through and through.  Replaced "Moorish" with "Muslim" or "Emirate" where appropriate.  Replaced "martyred" with "executed" or "beheaded", if some source could be found to support being more specific.  Provided more backstory to help distinguish the voluntary martyrs from the involuntary ones, to illuminate the family connections, and to provide a specific charge whenever possible.  Added another reference link.  Deleted all the redundant "in Spain"s.  I may be forgetting something, but those are the biggies.  --Skoosh 00:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits, 14 July 2005 

message: In the piece "Rogellus and Servus-Dei Sept 16 852. A monk and his young disciple executed in Cordoba for publicly denouncing Islam inside a mosque. They were the first Christian martyrs executed under Muhammad I." the Muhammad I linked to lived 1389-1421 so it's not likely to have been him, can someone who knows their history fix it?
-Martyrs of Cordoba-
This matter is clearly a lie from catholics. The article says Muhammad I, when there wasnt one prince in the entire Iberian peninsula or the Ummayad dynasty named muhammad.
:Actually, yes there was, and yes he was the Emir of Cordoba between 852 and 886. Please try to look things up next time before slandering contributors better informed than you. In fact there has been quite a few people called "Muhammad I", but the Muhammad I page was a brutal redirect to the Ottoman Mehmed I (arguably the best known bearer of the name). I have changed it into a disambiguation page, hopefully this should make things clearer.--Thomas Arelatensis 13:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muhammad I 

message: The list of "martyrs", which was formerly carefully arranged in chronological order, in order to permit a reader to detect the dequence and rhythm in the evolving nature of this radical Christianist movement, has been rearranged as an alphabetical directory, thwarting any thoughtful inspection. --Wetman 00:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Telephone directory

message: I'm not so keen on these nth party sources. And their should be some more citations for each of the individuals, no? Faro0485 (talk) 08:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is much doubt about the historicity of the individual martyrs. See the German parallel article (which resulted from a students projects'= for a better overall treatment and more sources -- not for the individual martyrs, as there are no more sources, but about the rôle and perception of this hagiography. --Pjacobi (talk) 08:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I particularly like the title "Alleged list of martyrs". I know one can't overdo the insistence on NPOV, but wouldn't "List of (alleged) martyrs" be a tad better? It looks like a perfectly good list to me, and it's unfair to impugn its essence as a list. I would prefer that "alleged" be taken out, but probably "List of those executed" would be rather better. Some are clearly "martyrs" in the Christian sense -- they were killed because they were Christian or because they were acting as Christians; others are not, or are so only debatably -- they were killed for blasphemy against Muhammad and Islam (which for them was an essential part of their Christianity, but for other, even contemporary, Christians was not). Hostiensis (talk) 14:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations and sources 

message: what does that mean? --Mostafa yousryyy (talk) 19:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:   their hagiography describes in detail their executions for capital violations of Muslim law in Al-Andalus 

message: The article talks of fourty-eight martyrs. But when you count the names, you get a total of fifty-five. What is the correct number? --FordPrefect42 (talk) 09:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many martyrs? 

message: hi, in wikipedia arabic they are so mad of the arabic copy of this article, they tried to delete it, changed its title and they were ready to do anything to shut it down, but when they found out there was no chance they started to get goofy on the article itself... anyways i just wanted to give you a background about the situation here, so they have added a line says Évariste Lévi-Provençal sees this executions are a normal thing as they deserved what they got because they denounced islam!!! i couldn't find that anywhere so could anyone please help me find if he really said that thing? god some people are unbelievably unbelievable! thanks --أبرهة العصبي (talk) 09:36, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Évariste Lévi-Provençal really say that? 

message: Are Jews and Moslems prosecuted during reconquest and afterwards also Martyrs of Cordoba or Spain. I read lots were forced to convert or were slaughtered. It is a simple query.
Can we count modern day mass victims by any means of terrorism Martyrs(e.g. sep 2001)
:Judaism und Islam have different concepts of martyrdom then Christianity. In Islam a Shahid is also someone who dies during Djihad or while killing others. Jews - afaik - dont know martyrdom as a religious concept. Btw In muslim Spain also many Jews were killed, enslaved or forced to exile, by the Almohads as well as the Almoravids. And the muslim aggression against Europe didnt ended when Spain was freed from islamic Imperialism, it still lasted for centuries. As did the muslim slave trade with Europeans and Africans. (read fe "Jihad in the West" Paul Fregosi, or the works of Tidiane N'Diaje or Dean King).-- 178.115.249.161 (talk) 18:47, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are Jews and Moslems prosecuted during reconquest and afterwards also Martyrs of Cordoba or Spain