Talk:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper

message: A google search showed the the consensus is that this is her proper name (following marriage).  If anyone objects, feel free to move it back.
I also added a more flattering picture. 
:Zerbey 22:58, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the picture,but the use of the Dutch naming conventions in an English-language article will only confuse people (note how seldom it is used in the list-of-Dutch-people article)."Van Andel-Schipper" is correct for the Dutch Wikipedia,certainly,but not for English.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/12.144.5.2 02:11, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Robert,you like it just fine if people treat YOUR preferences as the word of God.Chris Evert-Lloyd would be called Lloyd-Evert by Dutch reference,and and Maud Farris-Luse would be called "Luse-Farris",but their usage in our language and our usage in their language are equally inappropriate.Her article in the Dutch Wikipedia uses the Dutch format and her article in the English-language Wikipedia should use the English-language format.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/12.144.5.2 01:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved page to Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper 

message: I changed it to "April, 2005" - using the templates ruined the flow (suddenly we are using two different styles).  IMHO having the exact date is not that important.  The date I entered was the date of the previous record holder's death.  Comments welcome. Zerbey 15:35, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using templates to determine status 

message: Anyone have any opinions on whether 212.181.84.88's edits are correct and not just rumors?? Georgia guy 01:04, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We're only interested in established facts on Wikipedia, not rumours and hearsay.  Any discussion on whether or not there is an older lady out there should be discussed on the main Supercentenarian page Zerbey 18:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  212.181.84.88's edits 

message: About a year ago, Louis Epstein claimed on Wikipedia that just about everyone over 114 dies within 7 months. However, HVA is now only 3 weeks short of her 115th birthday. Any opinions on what month it will be when she dies?? Georgia guy 20:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to grow up. Zerbey 00:36, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say "just about everybody",just MOST of those who reach 114 die within seven months.Mrs. Van Andel proved an exception.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/12.144.5.2 01:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  115 yet?? 

message: Notwithstanding differences in English naming conventions, every news report I've read has referred to the late Mrs. van Andel-Schipper by her combinative name.  My move to this effect was reverted, so I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the article's current title please. Xoloz 08:48, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We went through this move to Dutch style before with Zerbey a couple of months ago.I favor consistent English-language naming style in English-language reference,as the native English-speaker more easily understands what the married and maiden names are that way.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/12.144.5.2 01:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have replied to you, LE, as follows, posted here for the record:
Yes, I did see your previous comments.  My problem with your analysis is this -- I am a native speaker of American English who regularly reads high-brow and low-brow newspapers (from the NYT to my birthplace's Democrat Times and Advance) and all them, uniformily, used Mrs. van Andel-Schipper's combinative name when referring to her.  I understand English users less informed might misinterpret her name to mean that she married a Mr. Schipper; I would hope they would read her article to understand.  If they, like me, learned of her death in recent news coverage, they will search for her under the combinative name, which also has the virtue of being the one the deceased called herself.
Your argument was that English convention dictated Van Andel, and my own primary source experience with English conventions in this regard tends to gainsay your argument.  I do not have extensive experience with British English, but I did see a BBC web news report that also used the more formal name.  In essence, despite the meritorious simplicity of your argument, my experience does not yield evidence to support it. Xoloz 02:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Are Dutch death certificates available to the public?  This is the only way to settle this argument. Zerbey 02:38, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Her name

message: This short section in her article gives a reference which is 1) poorly sourced and 2)out of date. Can anyone assist in this matter? BrendanologyContriB 13:37, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cause of death

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