Talk:Alessandra Stanley

message: JML & G, please go here: :Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg & help with the license question. Rex071404  216.153.214.94   00:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: Given the length of her career, is it fair for the majority of the article to be given over to "controversies"? I see a possible WP:UNDUE and BLP issue here.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 16:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been concerns raised about undue weight given to her errors  here at 'Biographies of living persons'. The full litany of Cronkite errors is just one click away for the reader.  I've removed it from the article, per those BLP concerns.  --CliffC (talk) 12:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I was about to do that myself. Even with the correction removed, we still have an article in which the only thing we have to say about her professional life is that she is inaccurate. That bothers me. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 13:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, I think that does the trick.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 13:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversies section

message: The text Among Stanley's close friends at the Times are Jill Abramson and Maureen Dowd. Both are mentioned prominently in the New York Magazine article "The Redhead and the Gray Lady," by Ariel Levy.Levy, Ariel. "The Redhead and the Gray Lady." New York Magazine, 7 November 2005. Accessed 2 July 2007. was removed on the basis she's "barely mentioned".  That's an 8-page article in which she's mentioned about 8 times and quoted at least as much.  If you use the magazine's 'Print' button and edit the result, it's not as hard to wade through.  I'm not saying that this deserves to be in our article, just pointing out the number of references.  --CliffC (talk) 13:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gal pals removal

message: I reverted a sentence that was just added, saying "She famously misstated the name of the hit television series Everybody Loves Raymond as 'All About Raymond.'" My rationale is that to say "famously" or even to mention requires that this be noted by a third party source. However this is a borderline situation and I'd like to hear other views.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 15:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Famously" should never be used, even if it's cited, because it's inherently unencyclopedic and contributes nothing to the discussion. Either the incident happened, and can be sourced, and contributes to the overall discussion of the subject, or it didn't/can't/doesn't. Nothing "famously" about it. YLee (talk) 17:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

text: That said, the Everybody Loves Raymond error is egregious enough for a TV critic (!?!) that including it in her list of errors seems appropriate. (The CJR article mentions it.) It shouldn't be given extra attention, though; like the others, it should be listed as plain fact with no commentary. I'll make the addition. YLee (talk) 18:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Everybody Loves Raymond'' error

message: The freshly linked L.A. Times article on its interview with Keller is titled "Keller Responds: Alessandra Stanley Is 'Brilliant Critic' -- Dismisses 'Conspiracy Theory' -- Future of Public Editor Position Still 'Much Debated' " (emphasis mine).  
I subscribe to a small-town paper whose correction policy states that it "corrects its mistakes ungrudgingly".  Keller should learn to do the same.
The "Editors' Note" tacked on at the end of Stanley's Geraldo Rivera story claiming  "he nudged an Air Force rescue worker out of the way so his camera crew could tape him as he helped lift an older woman in a wheelchair to safety" is an example of his reluctance to admit error.  
I hope we can expand enough on the 'good' side of Stanley to have space to bring back our mention of the Geraldo incident as it stood in this version of the article.  --CliffC (talk) 17:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Keller quote is too much; adding it risks WP:UNDUE. Again, we already have one Timesman describing Stanley as having "a history of errors." What more needs be said than that, given the current length of the article? YLee (talk) 17:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with taking it out. I thought that since it was largely favorable that it balanced out the largely negative tone of the article, but I see your point. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 18:59, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: L.A. Times Keller interview

message: I'm not comfortable with Thaxter's recent addition of the April 2012 *Salon* article. The other criticisms of Stanley are based on her factual errors. *Salon* criticizes her subjective opinions, which is very different. What do others think? Ylee (talk) 18:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salon on Stanley's Julian Assange review 

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message: In https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/weddings/165-years-of-wedding-announcements/end-of-engagement-announcements from Feb. 9, 2017, Ms. Stanley is identified as Alessandra Stanley, a former New York Times reporter, foreign correspondent and critic, is a writer based in New York. Evidently she has left The Times? jhawkinson (talk) 05:08, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
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