Talk:Hummer H2

message: Why is this vehicle described as having "tremendous off-road ability"? That is simply not true; it's a Chevy Tahoe underneath and is barely competent anywhere but paved streets and highways.
:I'm not a fan of giant SUVs - I drive a Miata!  But I must disagree.  The H2 is extremely competent off road - much more than the Tahoe (or Suburban) it is based on.  In fact, Car and Driver found that the H2 was as competent as the H1 offroad!  It is not just a Tahoe.  --SFoskett 00:52, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)
:Point taken; I did some checking of my own and it appears that the H2 is fairly good off road. The fact that virtually no one uses it that way is another matter; this can be said about the vast majority of SUV-type vehicles.
::Note my snide remark at the end of Hummer H2#Accessories -- Leonard G.
:::Normally I would edit this for POV, but I think it might be a fact in this case... --SFoskett 13:16, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
Fact: Debunking the Tahoe Frame Myth: The final frame assembly is made up of 3 sections. The front uses a modified GM 2500-Series utility frame. The mid-section is all new and is completely boxed. The rear section uses a modifed GM 1500-Series frame which is upgraded for 8000 pound gross vehicle weight. Hart1
I ended up cleaning up the frame bit a bit to provide more clarity.
--Beastmaster 18:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off-Road 

message: Linuxbeak: Asks for sources on "aerodynamics of a brick".  Requests sources for coefficient of drag figures.
:"a bricklike drag coefficient of 0.57" - source: Automobile Magazine, July 2002,   Other Cd figures are widely available with a simple Google search and are listed at drag coefficient.
::Cite them, then. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 19:24, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry, what do you mean?  I added this article to "References" since it's a good overall review of the vehicle.  Is this sufficient?  --SFoskett 19:34, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
::::Maybe you wanted a source on the Durango.  Here's DaimlerChrysler's spec sheet.  --SFoskett 20:11, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
Linuxbeak:  Commentary on "its poor fuel efficiency and consequent contributions to global warming and U.S. petroleum problems cause the vehicle to be detested by environmentalists" - "This statement is inherently flawed. It's not like this particular vehicle alone contributes majorly to global warming. Compare the amount of H2s in existance to the amount of cattle that release methane, and I think the cows are going to come out on top. Cite your sources on this one." Once again, an example. I'm asking that you put this into perspective. The H2 alone isn't going to destroy the world.
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Wow, NPOV
How much more NPOV can this article get?--68.81.105.166 02:24, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Resource use

message: If off-roading is what hummers are designed for, why would the vast majority of H2 users stay on the road if they are wasting so much fuel?
Because they're moronic, and need to compensate. Shadic 03:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only 5% use the vehicle off-road 

message: I have removed the paragraph that User:Karrmann added regarding the H2's offroad capabilities. Here it is in its original form:
:Many people claim that the Hummer H2 is practically useless off road, with videos proving it. (there is a video going around the web with a H2 snapping it's rear axle in half when driving no not very treacherous terrain). Also, it is based on the Chevrolet Tahoe which is more based on comfortible crusing than rugged off road capability. There is also the fact that the H2 has it's rear axle very low to the ground , which would make it not very capabile on terrain that buyers would expect this vehicle to conquor, which sometimes makes them believe that this vehicle doesn't live up to the reputation of the Hummer name, which was created by the H1.
As is, this paragraph is far too biased, misleading, and unreferenced to be kept in the article. However, there is obviously a fair amount of debate about the H2's suitability for offroading, and it may be worth addressing in the article.
#Many people claim — Weasel wording; if there are many people claiming it, find a credible source and link to it.
#video going around the web — I have seen the video. The driver, incompetent at best, drops the entire front suspension onto a rock. Not the wheel/tire, mind you; the suspension itself. Naturally, the control arm popped off. Maybe we're talking about different videos here, but this is "the one that went around", as far as I'm aware.
#based on the Chevrolet Tahoe — Yes, but to what extent? Has the Tahoe been shown to be a poor offroader? I'm not all that knowledgeable about this topic, but last I heard (can't source, unfortunately), the major similarity was the frame, and even there, it is significantly strengthened compared to the Tahoe. I would really be interested in a more detailed comparison, if possible; I can't find one at the moment.
In general, the wording needs to be tightened up. There are too many "some people believe"s in there and not enough facts or references, without which, it is basically FUD and not encyclopedic. —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-10-22 02:19:04Z
If the H2 was any good, the military would be choosing it over the HMMWV. Clearly, the H1 is (mostly) "the real thing" and the H2 is a fashion statement involving conspicuous consumption. Not that the H1 is great for normal city driving, but it is at least a respectable and useful vehicle. The H2 is some sort of bad parody dreamed up by marketing. 24.110.60.225 08:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  H2's offroad capabilities 

message: I have problems on gravel roads, the rocks fly up and literally eat the protective piece of  plastic up. Has anyone found a good looking idea to get rid of this problem. I am tired of replacing the inserts
Warner Feb 13/07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.25.224.140 (talk) 22:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fender wells   Warner 

message: The Luxury SUV page mentions H2 but the H2 page doesn't. I'm confused. --Mato Rei 07:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is H2 a luxury vehicle?

message: Some IP continues to add an external link to a review of the H2, saying it was the "Worst vehicle ever tested". Could someone please watch for this, since the link violates WP:EL?Hondasaregood 18:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link 

message: There should be some info about the newer 2008 version. After all, the Hummer H3 article does for its own newer Alpha version.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.95.31.77 (talk) 20:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 version 

message: The beginning of the article states:
:"The H2's final frame assembly is made up of 3 sections: The front uses a modified GM 2500-Series (or did until November 8, 2009) utility frame, the mid-section is all new and is completely boxed, and the rear section uses a modified GM 1500-Series frame which is upgraded for the 8,600 pound (3629 kg) gross vehicle weight. The 2008 Hummer H2 does 0-60 in 8.2 seconds."
I've since removed the "(or did until November 8, 2009)" part of this sentence.  Considering it's November 3, 2008, it's referring to a future event in the past tense, which is clearly incorrect.  If it meant that it will be different on November 8, 2009, it should be noted in a future tense.  If the date is wrong, someone should change it 2009 to the correct date.Kakomu (talk) 17:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Event as Past tense 

message: What happened to that section that said the H2 was the worst rated SUV in its class by consumer reports?  That was very well cited.  I accuse GM of meddling, and would like it restored, and I'm sure the author would as well.174.3.107.124 (talk) 03:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consumer Reports 

message: Or lack thereof? I remember reading somewhere that the H2 had abysmal results in crash tests, but I do not remember where. Hellbus (talk) 03:14, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crashworthiness 

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message: According to the Infobox, the length of a Hummer H2 is 203.5" (3119 mm). This figure sounds about right, and I've never questioned it's accuracy until recently, where I saw some sources stating that the length of a Hummer H2 is around 189". 
For example, https://www.edmunds.com/hummer/h2/2006/features-specs/ states that the length is 189.2" (click the 'See all features & specs' button). 
https://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showCar&car_id=12494 says that the length is 4820 mm, which converts to 189.76". 
https://www.research.com/reports/free-reviews-complaints-report/exterior-dimensions.php?make=hummer&model=h2&year=2007 stating the length is 189.8".
/autos.maxabout.com/cars/hummer/h2 says the length is 4821 mm, or 189.8".
These sources all corroborate that a H2's length is around 189.8 inches. This is a big difference from the 203.5 inches stated in the info box.
That being said, I have found other sources that states the H2's length is 203.5" : http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2008-hummer-h2-short-take-road-test-specs-page-3
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/fiche5876-hummer-h2-6-2-auto.htm
Multiple credible sources are support the fact that the length of a H2 is either 189.8" or 203.5". From how it looks, the 203.5" statistic is including the spare tire on the rear, but I can't confirm this. On the Hummer H3 page, the InfoBox shows a length of 188.1", but explicitly states "with rear tire carrier". 
Would anyone have comment on what length value should be shown? My personal preference is that both values, both with and without spare tire, be in the InfoBox, and it would seem more appropriate that way. If there is no objections, I will change it soon.
AlmostBanned (talk) 00:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hummer H2 correct length?