Talk:The Way of the Master/The Great News Network Archive

message: I've written a stub on the temp page.  I could go into greater detail (and did a few weeks ago, before I lost it all), but I don't have the time right now.  How does this look? --MessengerAtLWU 16:32, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

message: While the Great News Network was strongly linked with Living Waters ministries for quite some time, ties were severed a few months ago. Something about the GNN leader's attitude towards fellowship. I don't think a merger would be appropriate since they are compleatly separate organizations now, even though GNN does use the Way of the Master. True, you did remove all information in the article that indicated this, but there are also no reliable sources anymore which would state, in an up-to-date way, that GNN is closely related to the Way of the Master ministry. Homestarmy 04:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a WP:RS for this? In any case, if it is not merged, this article is likely to be AfDed -- as the only citations for it are to itself and Living Waters, so it doesn't even come close to being notable, as things stand. HrafnTalkStalk 10:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Err, do newsletters that aren't accessable online count? :D Alas, when the newsletter Living Waters released absolving themselves of relationship to GNN was released, they only e-mailed it to newsletter subscribers, rather than posting it online anywhere. I'm not exactly certain why there aren't any third party sources about the tract seizure, but World Net Daily] and Christian Worldview Network each had articles on it. Homestarmy 13:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The WorldNetDaily is only a reliable source for the WND's current delusions (see WorldNetDaily#Controversial articles for some reasons why). And to be honest, Christian Worldview Network doesn't look much better. Neither comes close to assisting establishing the existence of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". If the GNN isn't notable, and all (lack of) evidence to date indicates that it isn't, then this article either needs a merge&redirect or an AfD. If we don't merge it to WOTM, then where? It may not still be a part of the WOTM, but it is an offshoot of that movement. HrafnTalkStalk 14:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know of no sources that proclaim GNN to be a direct offshoot of WOTM. As far as I know, they were an independent evangelical group that took up the way of the master many years ago. They're probably the most notable non-Living Waters ministry group that officially uses the Way of the Master, however. Rather than argue over WND as a reliable source, (An extremely large waste of time i'm sure) after a little more digging, would the Dallas Morning News be a sufficiently reliable source? A local newspaper also had a small blurb about it in a page summarizing important local events of 2006,  Homestarmy 15:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a WP:RS for the incident. It is also interesting that, unlike the WorldNetDaily & Christian Worldview Network, it actually gives the outcome of the case -- a judge upholding the Secret Service's actions. We are still left with the tract-seizure as the only remotely-notable aspect of the article -- which could as easily be placed in the WOTM article (the "Southern California ministry" in question) as this one. HrafnTalkStalk 15:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm no notability policy expert, but it seems to me that the secret service seizing a bunch of gospel tracts ostensibly because they are actually counterfit bills would confer upon GNN some notability, seeing as there's signifigant third party coverage of the subject and all. Homestarmy 16:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not when they're not the publisher of the tract in question -- that greatly dilutes any notability that might splash onto GNN from the incident. Their role is that of just happening to be the source of the particular tract that the South Carolina woman happened to attempt to cash -- presumably if she'd lived elsewhere in the country she would have gotten it from WOTM or some other affiliate. HrafnTalkStalk 17:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, being the source apparently landed them in the news more than it landed Living Waters ministries in the news. The Dallas article doesn't even mention Living Waters until the final section. Homestarmy 18:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposel