Talk:New York City/Archive 1

message: I have moved the politics and courts section to a seperate Government of New York City page, which I am working on cleaning and greatly expanding. I've substituted a shorter Government section which points to the main government page.
Friedo 23:35, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Government, politics

message: In an effort to further de-clutter this article, I would like to move the sections on musuems, sports and tourist sites to a separate Tourist and Recreational Attractions in New York City page. (Or if someone can think of a better name, let me know. I'm also going to move the List of famous buildings, sites, and monuments in New York City there, unless anyone objects.
Friedo 04:51, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Tourism, sports

message: How do New York City boroughs differ from New York State counties? Are they just different names for the one entity, or do the county and borough have different administrative structures? What administrative structures does each borough have? Is the mayor of NYC mayor of all five boroughs? If so, what are the leaders of each individual boroughs called? Mayors also? -- SJK
:I've added a brief explanation of boroughs as counties. Let me know what you think. -- Vicki Rosenzweig----
:I have added a history of the borough/county situation in the History section. (There was some very erroneous information about the 1898 consolodation there.) Let me know what you think. -- Friedo 13:05, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: As a neophyte, I hesitate to edit the article, but as a New Yorker I wanted to comment that I don't think the 2nd paragraph of this page should be about the WTC tragedy.  NYC is about so much more.  The incident is also in the history section, which I think is more appropriate.
:True, and you should feel free to move things about. As time goes by past the Davis shooting, the section can be made smaller (I think it wound up here because those adding thought it would be more exposure here than in the James E. Davis article), and it could be counterbalanced with other New York City assassinations (John Lennon, Stanford White, some political ones. Go for it -- Someone else 05:46, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Rocstar, I look forward to reading your contributions.  By the way, please sign your posts to the talk pages.  An automatic way to do this is to add 4 tildes like this: ~~~~ . See Wikipedia:Talk page. -- Cjmnyc 05:53, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: Should the Chinese articles be the same or should they split based on Traditional and Simplified? WhisperToMe 03:16, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese Traditional and Simplified

message: I like the new pics, but what happened to the Statue of Liberty? That was a great pic. Also, that's certainly not a very impressive skyline pic. Lower Manhattan from the south, now that the WTC is gone (God it hurts every time to say it), isn't all that stunning. I think the best view is from the Jersey side and panoramic enough to include Midtown and Downtown. JDG 23:07, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: New Pics

message: I believe that the picture of Manhattan should be oriented towards the right, as some users have larger monitors. User:Timwi believes that the pic should be oriented to the center, as it seems that on his monitor, the pic cannot float to the right as it is too small.
I'm discussing about whether or not the picture should be to the right or to the center. I personally like the idea of putting the Statue of Liberty pic back in the article and putting that on top. WhisperToMe 01:06, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I am puzzled how "some users have larger monitors" is supposed to be an argument. That's like saying "we don't need to practice safer sex because some people don't have AIDS." -- Timwi 01:14, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: Yea, the challenge here is to find an arrangement that works universally. Timwi, please realize that the monitor size affects how the page is spaced out on Wikipedia, making placements drastically different.
So, maybe we should restore the statue of liberty pic as its slender and should work universally. WhisperToMe 01:27, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: A photo of a statue in the middle of a bay is not a good photo to have at the start of an article about a city famous for its skyscrappers. Best to have a skyline. I have fixed the first three images in this article so that it should work for both people with large monitors set at high resolution and the rest of the known universe who have normal-sized monitors with standard resolution. Now we need period photos for the first part of the history section. --mav 05:05, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: Okay... How about someone takes a picture of the statue IN FRONT of the skyline. While its a statue in the bay, its Iconic of new york, but at the same time, it shows a skyline. WhisperToMe 23:09, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a good thought, but it really can't be done the way you're probably imagining. There is no way to get a picture of the statue and the NYC skyline at the same time that features both prominently except to show the statue directly from the rear, which is fairly featureless. The statue could be featured at a side view in front of tall buildings, but it would be the skyline of downtown Jersey City.Decumanus 01:23, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Placement of Manhattan Picture

message: I think Cunc needs to announce his major changes (splitting off the history and the timeline) about a day or so ahead of time so that others can contribute their input on the matter. WhisperToMe 00:33, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Simply ripping out the history of a city is not acceptable. A summary should always be in a top-level article like this. That way people who only want an overview can read the summary here and the people who want to explore the history of this city in more detail can visit the daughter article. However, IMO, the crime section is not as important to have in the top-level article. --mav 06:33, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Sectioning off history and etc

message: I will standardize the naming of the boroughs by placing them under their borough names (which are more common than their county names). --Jiang 05:22, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standardization 

message: I rewrote the opening sentence of the summary. The 1624 date refers to the Walloon families' arrival into the colony of New Netherlands (which ranged from Connecticut to Delaware and up the Hudson). New Amsterdam, which was not a colony but more accurately the first settlement within the colony of New Netherlands, was not founded until two years later. The statement about the land having been bought from the Lenape (of whom the Canarsie were but one group) is something that has been widely discredited as a misinterpretation. Decumanus 08:03, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Well someone had to do it. It was bugging me to see the tv shows and movies mixed together, so I went ahead and separated them. I think the movie list in particular could grow very large and should probably eventually be spun off into a separate list page in the near future.
Also, I removed The Sopranos from the television listing, since it's really set in New Jersey. -- Decumanus 23:48, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I added a lot of television shows in an obsessive bid to think of them all. The page is now > 36 kb, so I'm spinning the tv shows and movies off into separate pages. -- Decumanus 07:03, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: I'm adding it back, as 1. The part of NJ the Sopranos are in is suburban NYC, and 2. I believe they venture into the city several times in the show. WhisperToMe 15:38, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Shows in the metro area. I was thinking of it as a list only of shows set within the five boroughs per se. I have no problem if the list is going to include the whole metro area. It would bring a few more shows that aren't really NYC shows, like Everybody Loves Raymond and Maude (which had NY in its opening credits (like the The Sopranos does) but was definitely set in Westchester County. The Dick Van Dyke Show was a hybrid "commuter" show, with home scenes in Westchester and workplace scenes in NYC, so it definitely is on the list. But neither Raymond or Maude is really about life in NYC in the same way as, say, King of Queens and The Jeffersons, which are/were fellow spin-offs of the same line of shows, but are true NYC shows.-- Decumanus 20:31, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: A little bit of nuance required. Have now changed the format of the tv show listing to include a category for shows set primarily in the greater metro area, and included previously mentioned shows there, including The Sopranos. My impression is that people in most of the country probably think of it as a "New York City show", but in the New York area,  the show is considered definitely a New Jersey show. -- Decumanus 21:29, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Movies and Television