Talk:Dreamachine

message: could someone please explain what are these? are you referring to so-called 'brainmachines' (these glasses with flickering LEDs). and also what means 'air-propelled viewmaster type' ? thank you. --7Hz, 11 January 2006
:Hi.  I was not describing a "brainmachine", however they may fit into this category.  The portable flicker machine that I was referring to is similar to the View-Master system: you hold the device up to your eyes in broad daylight, using the sun as a light source.  There's a hole where you blow air into the device, which spins a flicker disk over your closed eyelids. —Viriditas | Talk 14:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portable flicker machines

message: Reverting to a version from  19 September 2005 is not helpful.  Please do not do that.  Discuss any changes here, please. —Viriditas | Talk 01:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by Riefenstahl / 84.191.xxx.xxx 

message: someone wrote on the to-do list that mr. woodard is the "sole Burroughs authorized Dreamachine" maker... to my modest knowledge, this is untrue. i do not want to minimize mr. woodard activity, just say i think there is no such thing as an "authorized" dreamachine maker: 1, the dreamachine has been patented by Gysin around 1961. the patent number is cited in two published books, but i've been unable to find them on the US patents website (see section above). it is unclear at least for me, if this patent is still valid. 2, around 1974 gysin sold(or gave?) his plans to art dealer carl laszlo to commercialize the dreamachine, but laszlo built only 20 of them for some art galleries. this is stated for example in a gysin biography by ramuncho matta, a close gysin late-collaborator. 3, around 1984 gysin collaborated with genesis p-orridge and andrew mckenzie to the first commercially available dreamachine. as both artists (p-orridge & mckenzie) are still active, someone should contact them to investigate further. 3, french-based artists étant-donnés have stated in some interviews that gysin gave them personally a copy of his plans and considered them as sort-of "heirs". again, they should be contacted and asked for details. my two cents. Elamita 14:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "authorized" seller(s)

message: It appears Gareth Spor has added information about himseld and his "updated" Dreamachine to this page. I suggest his contribution to be deleted, as it is more advertisement for Gareth than information contributing to the subject. Opinions? --Qmwpeto (talk) 09:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it pending WP:RS. Viriditas (talk) 10:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I just deleted the picture of his machine as well from the "Images" section - not relevant without the text. --Qmwpeto (talk) 13:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, I don't have a problem with the image if it is appropriately licensed. Viriditas (talk) 19:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gareth Spor

message: Should there be a mention of Fechner Color (Pattern Induced Flicker Colors):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fechner_color
Is there any relationship between a Dream-Machine and Benham's Top?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benham%27s_top
32.97.110.142 (talk) 17:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO yes, this should be mentioned in some way. At least in the "see also" section. Aynway, the relation I see is that you have a monochrome device with a white light that produces all the colors of the visible spectrum. Elamita (talk) 15:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pattern Induced Flicker Colors 

message: I reworded the description of Sommerville as a "scientist" from the lead, since the supporting reference "Everything is Permuted -- Inside Out: The Mysticism of dreamachines" merely says 
: The dreamachine was a collaborative creation between Brion Gysin and Ian Sommerville, the classical collision and collusion of the artist and the scientist.
which to any reasonable reader means no more than "they collaborated on it, Gysin from the artistic side and Sommerville from the scientific". Everything in our coverage suggests Sommerville had a technical background, e.g. enuf to see what math to do in choosing the record-player speed, enuf to write a program to manipulate text using a cookbook random-number-generator, enuf to understand the specs on high-end recording equipment and perform (or oversee) maintenance on it. If he had a B.S. degree in math, that would probably make him a mathematician (B.A. maybe not, M.S. pretty surely), but not a scientist. There is no reason to believe he was a scientist. --Jerzy•t 05:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. Sommerville was in Paris in 1959, and he was living at the Beat Hotel. http://www.topfoto.co.uk/gallery/beathotel/ has photos of Sommerville in said Hotel. Cf. also John Geiger books. Regards, Elamita (talk) 15:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Scientist" Sommerville 

message: Hello,
I think the article should include a mention of the first commercially available Dreamachine, produced by the Temple ov thee Psychick Youth & Andrew M. McKenzie of the Hafler Trio.
Here are the detals:
Hafler Trio, The & Thee Temple Ov Psychick Youth - Present Brion Gysin's Dreamachine.
Published by KK records (Belgium, 1989) - catalog number KK 015.
72 pages booklet + Dreamachine template + audio CD containing three tracks to be used with the Dreamachine.
cf: http://www.discogs.com/Hafler-Trio-The--Thee-Temple-Ov-Psychick-Youth-Present-Brion-Gysins-Dreamachine/release/808049
Also, I noticed that the link to the 10111.org (http://10111.org) webpage disappeared from the external links. This group is manufacturing Dreamachines replicas, and they reproduced two old models (prototypes?) from the sixties. In their database, there's quite a lot of information. Shouldn't this link be re-included?
Regards, Elamita (talk) 15:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  references 

message: The external link included in this section (A detailed explanation of how to build a dream machine By Dan Petley) is not so detailed. It's rather poorly written and misleading: it's not impossible to find a cardboard sheet of the proper size; plans are well available on the internet; the included templates are "borrowed" without citing the source; overall, it's biased. Shouldn't this be removed? 
External links of interest are:
http://www.noah.org/wiki/Dreamachine
http://www.inter-zone.org/dm.html
Regards, Elamita (talk) 07:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  further reading 

message: What does "homemade version semi-off" mean? Шизомби (talk) 16:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll fix it.  The original author mean to write, "not spinning, lit internally".  I'm changing it now, as I just saw this. Viriditas (talk) 04:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  photo caption