Talk:Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood

message: In the section Early Doctrines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Raphaelite_Brotherhood#Early_doctrines), four declarations are listed. These declarations appear in almost every other description of Pre-Raphaelitism on the web, always without citing a source. Can someone please supply a reference? Thanks in advance.71.171.17.39 (talk) 13:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, but your search technique leaves a lot to be desired - use google books. Johnbod (talk) 15:19, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know about that, I'm afraid - I got good results off searching in "most indispensable of all, to produce thoroughly good pictures and statues." So what happened to the statues I wonder? Oh, alright - the 1st page of the intro to the 1984 Tate exhibition catalogue has "self-parading". That's p. 11., by Alan Bowness, who is also rude about this manifesto ("a touching naivety"). It also makes more sense surely? Johnbod (talk) 03:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: With "statues," maybe Rossetti is trying to be inclusive of all the early members of the Brotherhood. Thomas Woolner was primarily a sculptor (http://www.victorianweb.org/sculpture/woolner/38.html), although he made some decent paintings and wrote poetry. 71.171.24.75 (talk) 09:30, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

text: we did have it correct originally, but some dickhead "corrected" it back in 2007. Johnbod (talk) 03:53, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, lots of other web pages have quoted this page: Google displays 4430 pages with the exact phrase, "self-parodying and learned by rote," while only 871 pages have the exact phrase, "self-parading and learned by rote."71.171.24.75 (talk) 10:15, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It may well not be our original fault - lots of people auto-correct unusual words, sometimes without realizing it. Johnbod (talk) 13:45, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

text: Yes, "self-parading" certainly makes more sense. I also note that "Nature" in the original source is capitalized, and I have now changed this in the article. Best! 71.171.25.54 (talk) 03:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing a source for "four declarations" of the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood in "Early Doctrines" 

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure)  ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood →  – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. The proposed name is more common than the current one and also Pre-Raphaelitism (). The term "Pre-Raphaelites" applies to some artists not part of the original brotherhood, so it has a wider scope, but the article already covers that in some sections (like Pre-Raphaelite_Brotherhood#Later_developments_and_influence or Pre-Raphaelite_Brotherhood#Associated_artists_and_figures). Vpab15 (talk) 18:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  On the contrary.  Reading the text of the the actual page, the terms "Pre-Raphaelites", "Pre-Raphaelite style", "Pre-Raphaelite works", "Pre-Raphaelite principles", "Pre-Raphaelite circle", "Pre-Raphaelite painting" etc. come up quite a bit, proving the term "brotherhood" quite redundant.  There's an awkward attempt in some paragraphs to use "PRB" and "Brotherhood" rather relentlessly, but it comes up rather awfully. This is the "Pre-Raphaelites" page.  The very first sentence in the lede points that out.  The text expresses that.  The list of artists captures that.  That they may have thought or called themselves a "brotherhood" is a curiosity, unfamiliar to most, that can be dispatched in a sentence or two.  It should not dominate the page and certainly not the title.  The Wikipedia reading audience would certainly be better served by a more recognizable title. And I don't see what god is served by denying them that.   Walrasiad (talk) 09:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: To add to that, out of the 40 references only three use "brotherhood". And none of the "Further Reading" or "External links". It is quite clear the majority of reliable sources don't refer to the movement as a "brotherhood". Vpab15 (talk) 10:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 24 March 2023 

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